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The situation in Belarus is evolving very rapidly, and not for the better, to say the least. A lot has been going on, but here is a summary of what are the most crucial developments in my opinion:

  • Last Sunday was a major success for the Belarusian opposition: huge crowds took to the streets of several Belarusian cities and, in most cases, the demonstrations were peaceful.
  • Belarus now has its own “Juan Guaido” in the person of Svetlana Tikhanovskaia – whose only “qualification” to lead the opposition is that is that her husband is in jail. Tikhanovskaia has already declared herself the “national leader” of Belarus.
  • The Belarusian opposition formed a coordinating committee which is staffed by well-known and long-time rabid russophobes.
  • The program of the opposition (they call it “Reanimation package of reforms for Belarus”) is simple: new “fair” elections followed by the following goals: Belarus must withdrawn from all the collective agreements she has with Russia (including the union state, the SCO, etc.). Instead, the national goal ought to be, what else, to join NATO and the EU. All the Russian military forces in Belarus must be expelled. The Belarusian language must be reimposed, Ukie-style, on the Belarusian society (including, apparently, the military – good luck with that!). Russian organizations will be banned in Belarus, and Russian TV channels forbidden. The border with Russia must be closed. Next, a new, independent “Belarusian Orthodox Church” must be created. Finally, the Belarusian economy will “reformed” – meaning that whatever can be sold will be sold, then the country will be deindustrialized (like the Ukraine or the Baltic states).
  • At this point, it is pretty clear that the Western-controlled “opposition” has successfully taken over the control of the events from the very REAL local popular opposition. This mechanism (the hijacking of a truly popular and legitimate opposition by western controlled agents of influence) is exactly what happened in the Ukraine, in Syria and in many other places (I would eve argue that this is what is happening to the US right now). Some Belarusian ambassadors (Slovakia, Switzerland, Sweden) have now sided with the opposition just like what happened with Venezuela, Syria and other countries.

To be honest, there are more similarities between the recent events in Venezuela and what is now taking place in Belarus, it’s not just Tikhanovskaia as the Belarusian Guaido. For example, Lukashenko made at least as many, if not more, crucial mistakes than Maduro and now there is hell to pay for it.

Let’s look at Lukashenko’s actions:

  • Now Lukashenko is fuming against the West again, to the degree that he actually moved the most capable Belarusian military unit (the 103rd Special Mobile Guards Airborne Brigade from Vitebsk) to the western border, and the rest of the military forces have been put on high alert. Lukashenko explained that by saying that there is a real risk of western military intervention (which is utter nonsense, NATO does not have what it takes to attack Russia, which is present in Belarus, and survive).
  • Lukashenko and at least two of his ministers did go out to talk to the protesters, which is a courageous act which should not be overlooked (as in: Lukashenko, for all his very real faults, is no Ianukovich, and neither are many of his ministers). The meetings did not go well, especially for the two ministers who both clearly lack the undeniable personal charisma of Lukashenko.
  • Lukashenko has also publicly admitted that he has to engage Belarusian special forces against some demonstrations. He gave no further details, but that admission is interesting as it shows two things: a) since special forces had to be used, it means that other police forces were either unable or unwilling to control the situation and b) elite Belarusian forces are still backing Lukashenko
  • Lukashenko has also called Putin several times and he is now declaring that the current threat is not only a threat to Belarus, but also a threat to Russia. Clearly, Lukashenko is begging for Russian help.
  • Lukashenko has publicly declared “unless you remove me there will be no other elections” adding that the opposition would have to kill him before it will get to destroy Belarus (again – the dude is no Ianukovich).

Now let’s also note what Lukashenko has NOT done:

  • He has not fired his ministers of foreign affairs and the head of the Belarusian KGB (according to a pro opposition Telegram channel the Minister of Foreign Affairs did resign, but Lukashenko has rejected his resignation; this is one of the many rumors about Belarus inundating Telegram right now)
  • He has NOT declared that his so-called “multi-vector policy” (i.e. courting the West) was a mistake or that it has now been changed or abandoned. Clearly, and in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, Lukashenko still hopes that he can somehow sit between the two chairs of submission to the Empire or reunification with Russia.
  • He has not apologized to Putin and/or Russia for all the false accusations he was hurling at them just a few days ago.
  • Paradoxically, following the numerous cases of wanton violence which the Belarusian cops used initially, now the streets are almost entirely free from any police forces. On one hand this is good, the violence used initially did A LOT of damage to the government and it got people very angry. Furthermore, the amount of violence by the opposition did dramatically decrease too, which is also good. But the problem is that there are now very clearly special organized groups, not necessarily formed by locals, who are now trying to seize power illegally and by violence. It is vital that the Belarusian KGB now locate and arrest these people. My fear is that the Belarusian KGB has been infiltrated by pro-western elements who will be hard to neutralize.

Now let’s look at what the “collective West” has done:

  • The West has clearly taken a consolidated, common, position towards this crisis. The West does not recognize the outcome of the elections and the West has now thrown its full weight behind the so-called “opposition”.
  • Western leaders have called Putin, apparently to demand that Russia not intervene in Belarus. Putin apparently told them that what is taking place is Belarus is none of their business, thank you.
  • It is now clear that the West will accept nothing short of what we could call a “Ukronazi outcome” and that the Empire will use all its resources short of military action to try to seize control of Belarus.

Next, let’s look at what Belarus’ neighbors are doing:

  • Very predictably, the Poles are clearly thinking that they will restore something which is know by the evocative (to some..) concept of “Rzeczpospolita” in Polish and which roughly translates as “Polish Commonwealth” (see here for a quick primer). In this context, it is very important to understand that modern Poland is an ideological heir to the infamous Józef Piłsudski (here for details). This means that Poland’s ultimate goal is to break up Russia, restore the Polish Commonwealth, and become a willing prostitute to the western power, especially the US (it is just as easy for the current Polish pseudo-patriots to prostitute their nation to the US as it was for Piłsudski to prostitute himself before Hitler). If some of you bump into the concepts of “Prometheism” or “Intermarium” then click on these words for more details. It is hardly surprising that the nation Winston Churchill called the “the hyena of Europe” would pounce on Belarus: the Poles always, always, attack when either they think that a) there is some big guy behind them and b) that their victim is weak. I fully expect the Pope to publicly “pray for peace in Belarus” and express his “distress” at the violence. Truly – this has been the same gang for almost 1000 years (see here and here) and they are still at it. There is really nothing new under the sun…
  • The clueless Balts also want to join the Rzeczpospolita for a very simple reasons: they are terrified that the West will eventually dump them and they know that by themselves they will never achieve anything. So as much as the Poles like to hide behind the US, the Balts like to hide behind Poland. Finally, these countries probably realize that even Belarus alone could prevail militarily over them, nevermind Russia, so they figure that united and protected by Uncle Shmuel they will seize Russia like they seized the Ukraine and finally (!) become the (collective?) “Prometheus” they think they are, but which history never allowed them to become.
  • As for the EU gerontocrats, they are just doing what they know how to do: try to impersonate some kind of (moral?) “authority” which gets to decide which elections are fair, which are not, which regimes get to beat up demonstrators (Macron anybody?) and which ones must immediately yield to the demands of a carefully controlled “opposition”. It is especially touching to see Merkel who clearly does not realize the utter contempt the Russians feel for her and for what she stands for.

Lastly, let’s look at what Putin and other Russians are saying:

  • Putin and Xi have both recognized the outcome of the elections. Frankly, I don’t know of any halfway serious source which would dispute the fact that Lukashenko beat Tikhanovskaia by a wide margin. Yes, I also seriously doubt the frankly silly 80% vs 10% figures, but I doubt those who say that Lukashenko lost even more. Neither Putin nor Xi will “unrecongnize” these elections. Which means that neither Putin nor Xi will ever accept the western narrative about what happened or what is happening now.
  • Putin’s reaction to Lukashenko’s phone calls appears to be a special kind of “restrained goodwill” or “polite benevolence”. Clearly, nobody in Russia has forgotten what just happened and I notice a very clear trend on Russian talkshows, news reports and articles: while most Russians sincerely see Belarusians as fellow Russian brothers, the level of frustration and even disgust with Lukashenko is hard not to notice, and it is only growing. Even very pro-Kremlin commentators are losing their cool with what Lukashenko is doing (they are no less angry at what Lukashenko is not doing), I think of Igor Korotchenko, the head of the Public Council under the Ministry of defense of the Russian Federation, a typical Kremlin-insider, who has now declared that the Belarusian Foreign Minister is a “foreign agent of influence” (which I don’t doubt) and that Russia ought to demand that he be fired. I can only agree with him.
  • Crucially, in the official summary transcript of the telephone conversation between Lukashenko and Putin the latter repeated that the integration between Russia and Belarus must continue. Here is how the Kremlin put it: “The Russian side reaffirmed its readiness to render the necessary assistance to resolve the challenges facing Belarus based on the principles of the Treaty on the Creation of a Union State, as well as through the Collective Security Treaty Organization, if necessary“. In other words, Putin is laying down the legal framework under which Russia might intervene in some manner, especially if such an intervention is officially requested by Minsk.

Now let’s summarize what is really taking place, I will also do that in the form of a bullet-point list:

  • There is no doubt that many Belarusians are fed up with Lukashenko
  • There is no doubt that many Belarusians still support Lukashenko (if only as a guarantor against a Ukraine-like collapse).
  • There is no doubt that the legitimate Belarusian opposition was quickly and effortlessly co-opted by western and, let’s call them “Promethean”, special services.
  • Lukashenko was so sure of himself, that he never bothered to really campaign, to talk and plead with his own people. He entered this election cocky sure of himself, only to find out that what is immediate entourage of yes-man (they stand when they report to him) either was lying or was clueless.
  • Next, it is also clear that Lukashenko was sure that between his KGB and the Belarusian riot police, he could easily clear the streets. And while this seemed to work for 24 hours, the last couple of days are proof that the regime has lost control of the streets and/or is clueless as to what to do next. Furthermore, while you can use riot police to disperse demonstrators, you cannot use this riot police to force anybody to work: there are many consistent reports of strikes in major Belarusian plans and corporation. How will Lukashenko force these people to work? He cannot. In fact, he specifically said so when he declared that strikes will destroy Belarus. There are now even reports that the company Belaruskalii, one of the most profitable companies in Belarus (it produces potassium fertilizer) has now stopped working.
  • In extremis, Lukashenko began calling Putin and he even said “we, Russians” during a public meeting. Right now I know of no respectable analyst in Russia who would believe that Putin owes Lukashenko anything.
  • The blame for what just happened cannot be placed solely on Lukashenko’s infinite arrogance, the infiltration of the Belarusian KGB or on Ukronazi provocations: it is possible that the SVR and GRU dropped the ball in this instance, in spite of the fact that what happened was easy to predict (and many did predict this). Had it not been for the superb work of the FSB, it is quite possible that by now some Russian citizens would be sitting in Ukronazi jails. The Russian Foreign Ministry also appears to have been caught off guard. I don’t necessarily feel that “heads should roll” at the SVR/GRU, but at the very least there ought to be a full internal investigation on why this crisis apparently caught the Kremlin off-guard and some “organizational conclusions” ought to be drawn. By the way, there is also the possibility that the SVR/GRU and Ministry of Foreign Affairs did provide timely and substantive (actionable) warnings. In this case, the problem is with the heads of these services, the Russian government and the President. It is sometimes said that the process of intelligence involves three phases referred to as the “three As”: acquisition (data collection), analysis (data management and interpretation) and acceptance (convincing the political decision makers). I do, obviously, not know at what level this failure happened, but I see it as a clear sign of a major problem.

Now lets look at the core of the “Russian problem in Belarus”: it is simple, really: Belarusians are Russians, even more so than the Ukrainians. Not only that, but judging from the footage from Belarus (on all changes and from all sources), while the (supposed) “leaders” of the so-called “opposition” are all rabid russophobes, the vast majority of those who protested against Lukashenko are not.

The problem here is that it is impossible to get truly reliable numbers. Official Belarusian polls are a joke, but “opposition” polls, or western run polls, are probably even MORE unreliable. Then there is the fact that Minsk is somewhat of a special case amongst Belarusian cities. Furthermore, there is a difference between urban and rural Belarus. And, finally, the opposition itself is not monolithic at all, and when somebody is asked whether he supports Lukashenko or not, there are many possible reasons why somebody might reply “no” (heck, many Russians in Russia do not support Lukashenko either). So we have to accept that until some kind of normalcy return to Belarus and truly free elections are held, nobody will know for sure what percentage of Belarusian think about this crisis or Lukashenko.

Then there is the fact that, just as in Syria or the Ukraine, the initial protest were legitimate, both in terms of having many valid reasons to protest and in terms of being truly local, not controlled from aboard. But then, just as in Syria and in the Ukraine, these protests were infiltrated and co-opted by foreign agents. Ideally, Russia would want to support the original/real demonstrators as much as possible within reason and counter-act the infiltrated subversives. But how can the Russian separate them unless they themselves make it happen?

One idea circulated here and there is that Russia should intervene very openly, in the context of the Union State between Russia and Belarus and, even more so, under the auspices of the Collective Security Treaty Organization. Putin did mention this organization already, so this is definitely an option for Russia. But would that be a good option?

To be honest, I am not even sure that there are ANY good options left for Russia. I mentioned several times that I personally came to conclusion that the only possibly way for the Belarusian people to remain free is to join Russia. I still think that. However, I am not at all sure that this is even really possible right now, if only because the only interlocutor of Moscow in Belarus appears to be losing control of his own government and because there is no easy way to make progress on this issue while Belarus is at the very real risk of complete collapse.

The root cause of it all?

Corruption. As always.

It is often said that the Ukrainian leaders since 1991 were terrible, and that is true: every one of them seemed to be acting in some kind of toxic freak show. And yes, in Belarus, people feared the cops and the KGB a lot more than the did in the Ukraine. But that does not necessarily mean that Belarus was less corrupt. All this means, is that in Belarus the government did a great job running a semi-feudal system of protection which only guaranteed that only officials and their “business partners” got to make good money.

And this is not a Belarus or Ukrainian problem only. The exact same thing took place in Russia in the 90s. It is not even a personality problem, it is a class problem, in the Marxist sense of the word.

We need to remember that the CPSU and its Nomenklatura was a fantastically corrupt organization, not necessarily at the member level, but as a whole. I would summarize the “integrity” of these people as so:

  • First they betrayed Stalin and the ideals of Marxism-Leninism (Khrushchev years)
  • Then they betrayed their own USSR and CPSU (Brezhnev & Gorbachev years)
  • Then they disguised themselves as patriots (or even nationalists, like that hardcore communist ideologue Kravchuk did!).
  • Next, they deeply penetrated the West to seek protection, hide their real revenues and obtain the right to rule.
  • Next, they sucked their countries dry of all their wealth while their personal worth skyrocketed.
  • Finally, they all volunteered to prostitute themselves and their people before the West.

These guys have no more morals than an amoeba and they are as ruthless as any psychopath. They used to prostitute themselves before their Party bosses, and now they do the same to their AngloZionist ones.

So here is the question: how could Russia remove this ruling class without a) major bloodshed and b) making it look like what Russia is really doing is trying to save Lukashenko?

What Russia really needs now is for the West to do something as terminally stupid as when the US tried to overthrow Erdogan. But that would only be sufficient to bring Lukashenko to heel and get rid of some of the most dangerous elements in his entourage. The bigger problem is how could Russia help the Belarusian people?

Just tossing more money at the Belarusian regime makes no sense and does not work. Been there, done that.

Using military force is possible (I don’t expect anybody in the Belarusian military, at least key commanders and units, to object to this). But that is very tricky and outright politically dangerous. It might also not be correctly understood by Belarusians and by many Russians too.

The first conclusion I personally am coming to is that Russia must not do anything which could be credibly construed as “saving Lukashenko”. Lukashenko needs no “saving”. Belarus does.

Second, while in military terms securing Belarus would not be a problem for the Russian military, in political terms it would be a major crisis as the West would, no doubt, pounce on that to not only impose more sanctions (that is not really a problem) but also to create a New Cold War in which mentally sane and patriotic Europeans would be “shouted down” by hysterical mantras about “the Russians are coming! the Russians are coming!”.

I am also concerned about the recent military moves by Belarus. To forward deploy high readiness forces near the Polish border is a very bad idea: considering the historical record the Russians should never assume that any Polish leader won’t do something fantastically stupid which will end up as fantastically tragic. I don’t believe for one second that NATO has plans to invade Belarus. If anything, Lukashenko and Russia ought to leave what is called a “tripwire force” in the West while preparing their strategic defenses in depth. There is NO need to go and provoke the Poles, the Balts or anybody else in NATO.

If given a choice, Putin would probably want for both Lukashenko and the so-called ‘opposition’ to go (this reminds me of the Argentinian “que se vayan todos” or the Lebanese كلهم يعني كلهم both of which can be roughly translated as “they all have to go”and “all means all” – including both Tikhanovskaia AND Lukashenko.

At the time of writing this (Aug. 19th) it appears that Lukashenko will now have to chose between the “civilized West” and “Putin’s bloody Mordor”. Truly, he really has no option other than to chose Moscow, but that does not at all mean that Moscow thinks that there is anything salvageable from Lukashenko’s regime. His latest “zag!” back to being a “Russian brother” is way too little and way too late. And if his foreign minister and his head of KGB are still in the next government, all this talk will also become irrelevant and meaningless.

Simply put: if Lukashenko wants to remain in power he has only one option – beg for Putin’s mercy, not publicly, of course, be most emphatically and as sincerely as he can pretend to be. Then he needs to purge his government from every single name Putin (or the Russian special services) will hand to him. Yes, that means that he has to truly and really relinquish control. As for Putin, he needs to address both the Russian and the Belarusian people to explain whatever decision he comes to. This is, yet again, a situation where Putin’s biggest weapon might be his very high popular support (not only in Russia, but also, by all accounts, in Belarus).

Right now it appears that the West seriously fears a Russian intervention: they probably (correctly) realize how easy it would be for Russia and how there is absolutely nothing anybody, including NATO or, even less so, the EU could do about it. Trump personally has much bigger fish to fry and I doubt if he cares much. But his narcissistic Secretary of State probably feels like he can turn Belarus into another US-run Banderastan.

So what can happen next?

I think that it is crucial that Russia reach out to the non-US-controlled opposition in Belarus, publicly, and try to establish some kind of dialog. Russia also has to publicly warn the people of Belarus that if they allow the current US-controlled “opposition leaders” to come to power, Belarus will collapse just like the Ukraine did.

This might be the strongest argument Russia could repeat over and over again: as bad as Lukashenko was, if he is overthrown in some kind of Maidan-like coup, then Belarus will become the next Banderastan. This will be a major headache for Russia, but Russia can easily survive this. Belarus cannot.

But simply keeping Lukashenko in power is no solution either: whether he did or did not win the latest elections is not even the real issue anymore – the real issue is that he did lose his credibility with pretty much everybody involved. For this reason alone – Lukashenko has to go. Next, some kind of government of national unity which would include the main political forces in Belarus except the ones controlled by the West should probably be formed. Finally, whoever is in power in Minsk needs to set a course on a full reintegration of Belarus into Russia. That remains the only viable long-term solution for the people of Belarus.

 
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  1. I have repeatedly challenged the Saker’s contention that Russia needs to annex Belarus. In this article, here is what I have to say:

    I fail to see two things:

    1. How Russia is supposed to save Belarus. Suppose Lukashenko now signs up for immediate accession of Belarus to Russia. Then what? Lukashenko, according to everyone I’ve read on the subject, no longer holds the authority to credibly do any such thing. If Lukashenko signs an accession, what will happen?
    (a) The American Empire and its EU vassals will immediately blame Russia. This is a given. But they will also take the opportunity to dump Nordstream and other economic links to Russia, and all the slow patient work of improving the conditions since 2014 will disappear in a heartbeat. Is Belarus worth that?
    (b) Russia will be faced with an insurgency like in Chechnya (much more easily armed and infiltrated into Belarus too) and you can be absolutely certain ISIS and Ukranazis at the very least will be recruited into this insurgency.
    (c) Russia will have to find some way of paying for all this; in previous responses I have asked how exactly that is supposed to be done. Will it sell Belarus off to oligarchs? Tax Russians? Got will Russians react to that?
    (d) Russia will be legitimately asked by Donbass people, if not South Ossetians, Abkhazians, and Transnistrians, too, why they can’t be annexed despite wanting to be but Belarus can. This is not an easy question to answer.
    (e) If Russia continues the socialist Belarus economy with social care as now, Russians will naturally ask why they can’t have the same thing instead of suffering under Putinist regime neoliberal capitalism.
    (f) What if the Belarus armed forces do *not* agree to be annexed? What if the rank and file revolt? What will Russia do then? Invade?

    2. Why, exactly, should Russia save Belarus?
    (a) If the idea is that Belarus will give NATO an invasion route across the Russian plain to Moscow and St Petersburg, that’s rubbish. This isn’t WWII; any such blitzkrieg offensive, even if NATO is capable of it, will result in their capitals being reduced to radioactive ash. The situation is no different from 2014 when Ukranazistan (NATO in all but name) provided an invasion route from the south west up towards Moscow and east towards Volgograd.
    (b) If Belarus is such a basket case, what does it bring to the table for Russia? Has it industries, natural resources, technological institutes, anything at all that would make it worth the problems? Why should Russia take on yet another financial drain?

    Face it, the murder of the USSR created new realities, and we are merely seeing the process dragging to its logical conclusion. Russia must get used to living in a situation where all its former co Soviet republics are active hostile enemy states. Those that aren’t yet eventually will be. Russia needs to look East and forget about the west. There is no hope there.

  2. Patronym says:

    How about new elections, with Russian and Western observers and exit polls.
    No candidates jailed. Hold the vote after a cooling off period for a national discussion of Belarus’ future.

    • Replies: @Ukraine Tiger
  3. The problem with this analysis is that it relegated the people to passive observers, outside of the violent insurrection part.

    Lukaahenko could set a referendum and ask whether the citizenry wants to join Russia, stay independent, or join the EU. Then he saves face, and the people choose their poison.

    Really this is always the best solution for the citizenry, but it would be giving up the enormous tyrannical powers gained with representative democracy in the 19th century.

  4. It’s 10 million orthodox eastern slavs who haven’t embraced rainbows and NATO, so I think it’s worth annexing, while focusing on the East. Win win really. Plus, I like the idea of a color revolution backfiring so badly someone gets a whole country back.

    • Agree: Derer
  5. “Trump personally has much bigger fish to fry and I doubt if he cares much.”

    Of course he “cares”; he’s been going out of his way to provoke Russia (and China, Syria, Iran and Venezuela) almost since the day he was inaugurated.

    “But his narcissistic Secretary of State probably feels like he can turn Belarus into another US-run Banderastan.”

    He probably does, and that’s why the evil orange clown nominated him for the job. What else should we expect?

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Data
    , @Derer
    , @ploni almoni
  6. Juri says:

    Actually, there are very little love to the West in Eastern Europe. The entire West success story in Eastern Europe is based on Russian irrational love to Lenin and Stalin and WWII and Red Army.

    Russia has 1000 years old rich history. There are noble artists , Pushkin, Dostoevsky. There are brilliant scientists , Lomonossov, Mendeleev , there are amazing amount of real heroes in Russian history.

    But somehow, the only heroes glorified by Russian in the former Soviet territory are comrade Stalin and his murderous Red Army. When people see Immortal Regiment or young Russians in WW II era Red Army uniforms guarding the Soviet War memorials, this enough to turn normal reasoned people into russophobes.

    Until Russia keep pushing the bad Nazis, good Soviet “liberators” myth, the Eastern Europe will be low hanging fruit to every last Russian enemy. Simple as that.

    • Replies: @Whitewolf
    , @FB
  7. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    The Navalny Poisoning definitely has something to do with Belarus. It may be a Western False Flag or Putin getting nervous. Either way, big news.

    • Replies: @padre
    , @AnonFromTN
  8. Petermx says:

    What is the other Banderastan? I wish there was one. I assume you are referring to Bandera’s country Ukraine, now with its second Jewish president in a row, not to mention the other government posts Jews hold. The Jews also had Bandera removed from Ukraine’s Hall of Heroes. Some Banderastan. They murder 8 million Ukrainians and then force the Ukrainians to stop honoring a man that stood up for them. I would like Germany to do that to Israel.

    I plan on visiting the statue erected to Bandera in Lviv where he is buried the next time I visit the city and perhaps lay some flowers there to honor him.

  9. GMC says:

    Good article. I do see similarities between X Ukie Prez Yanuk and Lukashenko. They both invited the West come into their countries, fully knowing about that little Trump fairy tale – about befriending that poisonous snake, that will eventually bite and kill you – Pompeo this time. Only stupid, stupid men -think their little country can play hardball with the NWO and come out of it unscathed. Years ago, when I saw the number of Ukies running to Belarus, it was easy to see that a Maidan like setup would follow. They took their time but there was a reason for that – to infiltrate Belarus gov. and the People. Failed/ Bought off Leaders and their accomplices destroy their own country , only the ones that stand and fight have a chance, but will pay a heavy heavy price like Syria, Venezuela, Cuba, Iran, and others. Belarus should close the borders – surround Minsk and throw out every non citizen in those protests, and tell everyone to go home, if they want to discuss a solution. That is what Yanukobitch should have done in Kyiv . Use your military or watch the NWO take over your country. Being nice is for losers or big countries with nukes when it comes to saving your country from the NWO. Spacibo

    • Agree: Alfred, Notsofast
  10. Ukronazi Ukronazi Ukronazi. Every time you misname the Bolsheviks as Nazis, you perpetuate the wet dream of Zion: “…we will eradicate the concept of national socialism from the collective memory of mankind” was it?
    Nazism was an economics program that uplifted Germany from abject poverty and serfdom into, as I believe Churchil said: “..the best place to live in Europe”.
    I paraphrase, of course, the Bolshies will now attack with quotes from the Times…
    But a fairenough assessment, probably, all in all.

    • Agree: G J T
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  11. Petermx says:

    “The clueless Balts also want to join the Rzeczpospolita for a very simple reasons: they are terrified that the West will eventually dump them and they know that by themselves they will never achieve anything.”

    According to some rankings Estonia now has the tenth highest standard of living in the world. This is a great achievement. They are ahead of the USA, which may not be saying much any more but the Baltic countries are successful and good contributors to the EU, unlike some southern countries. If Russia was as well run as Estonia it would still be a world power.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/standard-of-living-by-country

  12. Carlos22 says:

    If the shit holes of the Balt states can go it alone why does the saker think an independent Belarus is non viable.

    This was an ultra slow moving car crash for Russia they may just have to let them go or instigate their own Russian coup?

    It’s a generational thing like being a teenager, they are rebelling against the USSR, in the future living memory of the USSR will be gone and the Slavs may unite again? Belarus will take longer because the USSR never went in that country.

    But does Russia have a generation or two to allow people to get over it?

  13. Russia has no good options atthis point; they need to figure out the least worst option. They might start, however, by piecing together a plausible case documenting foreign interference in the election; it will never gain traction in the Western media, but it will be useful for the show trials of Luka and Tikha.

  14. Derer says:

    Why this naive illiterate people in Belarus opposition keep kissing West’s asses? Don’t they know that the West is pathologically hating Slavs and made historically target of invasions. They want your country for military bases to become a buffer zone. The West will gladly give you 3rd world unskilled immigrants that colonizing countries have accepted over the years and now want to unload and disperse to the white Eastern Europe population – sinister scheme of the Schengen zone. Sweden is now beyond repair. Show me the place where multiculturalism works in harmony…is it US or France or Balkans?

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @animalogic
  15. Dumbo says:

    A lot of these former Soviet Republics (and large part of Eastern Europe) are between a rock and a hard place… Stuck between the West and Russia. It is impossible to be completely independent.

    But it’s no longer the Cold War, with a friendly free West and an evil totalitarian Russia, even if that’s what they are trying to sell. If anything, the anti-white degenerated West is an worse influence than current Russia to those countries… I mean, would it really be better for Belarus to enter into the West’s influence and start importing Africans and promoting gay marriage?

    • Replies: @hu_anon
  16. Bankotsu says:

    Pretty bad situation for both Belarus and Russia, but I think Russia should just annex entire Belarus and end the current charade.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  17. Bip says:

    Stage II of destabilisation of the war against Russia itself is the “highly likely” poisoning of Navalny.

    • Replies: @hu_anon
    , @Derer
    , @Oikeamielinen
  18. As usual, another long winded article from Mr. Know-it-all … let’s wait to see if any of the hocus pocus comes off!

    • Agree: Alden
  19. When will the saker realise that the USSR was a total basket case!

    He’s to busy making excuses up for failed systems based upon simply deranged ideology,such as Marxist Lenin nonsense,its always some one else’s fault isn’t it Mr saker!

    The fact is people in Belarus have had enough of their dictatorship and want change,this will probably be the same for Putin incidentally,there’s no colour revolution happening,thats just silly conspiracy theories to hide behind by people who can’t except the processes of democracy,whih isn’t unique as the same unwillingness to except a result can be seen by those who hate Trump or the Brexit result

    But it seems that people need the conspiracy these days to explain everything even when the facts speak for themselves !

    • Agree: Alden
    • Disagree: animalogic
    • Replies: @Ilya G Poimandres
  20. @Ilya G Poimandres

    Nobody except the winners will accept the results of the referendum.

  21. @alwayswrite

    Yes yes, and neither was the sniper fire during Maidan at all reminiscent of the sniper fire in Daraa.

    Here is a video of a Ukrainian politician describing perfectly openly what, after the post Obama inspired coup, the Ukrainian elite believe is reasonable to enact on their population.

    • Thanks: Whitewolf, Alfred
    • Replies: @Oikeamielinen
    , @Svigor
  22. Next Banderastan

    I’m afraid North Ukrea will be a more appropriate name.

    The clueless Balts also want to join the Rzeczpospolita

    No, not really. Estonians think of themselves as above that (they’ve been occasionally trying to distance themselves from the other two as well); Lithuanians are worried about their crown jewels (er, I mean Vilnius); and in Latvia, Poland has a sort of bad rep down to the language level – “to buy smth. for Polish money” (nopirkt par poļu naudu) means to steal or otherwise embezzle.

    Of course, Poland can buy a couple unscrupulous pols (and has likely already done so) and achieve some influence behind the scenes; but it would be hard to do anything openly.

  23. Dictatorship, Soviet Union, and what not.

    Isn’t, in reality, all about refusing to bend over to the IMF and to another extent, calling Covid-19, psychosis?

    • Agree: GMC, Curmudgeon, Alfred
    • Replies: @RegretLeft
    , @HKW
  24. MLK says:

    All that matters is what happens in Belarus between now and November 3rd, the American Election Day.

    As I’ve explained previously, the global forces arrayed against Trump since 2016 haven’t changed or given up their objective of getting rid of him and getting back to business as usual. His destruction continues to be as close to a dues ex machina as any of us have or will see in our lifetimes.

    Thus we’ve seen an unending series of gambits designed to take him down. Astoundingly, Trump has so far successfully foiled them all. Such as removing “tripwire” American Special Forces from the Syria-Turkey border Democrats intended to see liquidated, or the Democrat-Iranian plot to seize American embassy personnel in Bagdad in a pitch perfect replay of the Iranian Hostage Crisis that sunk Carter’s reelection, to cite just two examples.

    No one should be surprised that they’re returning to the scene of their original crime, Russia and its environs. Nor should it be at all difficult to reverse engineer what they have in mind. While you have to give the devils their due in so many respects, creativity is not among their strong suits.

    Just two headlines from today reveal the contours of this exceedingly reckless effort:

    “Russian Opposition Leader In A Coma After Being Poisoned For The 2nd Time In 16 Months”

    “Risk of a Russian intervention rising in Belarus”

    Don’t fall for any aspect of the insult to the intelligence propaganda surrounding Putin/Russia. He and it are no angels. The Russian government is acting in its national interest. The Democrats, in league with other foreign powers, have offered Russia a series of carrots and sticks for furthering their objectives against Trump. The difference between Russia and other conscripted powers (e.g. U.K.; Ukraine; Italy; Australia; Israel) is one of degree not kind in this respect. Russia has acted self-protectively while keeping its options open in terms of undermining Trump if the compensation is sufficient and the risk contained.

    That’s the locus of the actual Treason in this saga, former Obama Administration officials promising to give away the geopolitical store to foreign powers, allies and adversaries alike, in return for assisting their seizure of power back from Trump.

    Have you ever heard of CIA Directors making secret trips to Moscow? Perhaps someone here can explain what psychopath Brennan was discussing with his Russian handlers in March 2016:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-usa-cia/cia-boss-brennan-visited-moscow-in-early-march-interfax-idUSKCN0WU0S5

  25. vot tak says:

    The zionazi west wants Lukashenko to go, saker wants Lukashenko to go.

    • Replies: @G J T
  26. Realist says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Nobody except the winners will accept the results of the referendum.

    You mean like in the 2016 US election? Who cares.

  27. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Well if they have to pick up the knuckle dusters and fight it out, then they have sunk that low. But good to give the population a chance to come to a direct consensus at least!

  28. @Petermx

    They got Stepan in Munich (where he is also buried) – there was no way they´d repatriate him, then or now.

  29. The Saker has considerable insights into this crisis, and is much more knowledgeable about the subject than I am. But all the parties in the Belarus crisis – the Belarussian people/government, the West and Russia – must focus on what they want to avoid rather than what they want to achieve. They want to avoid world war. But the history of the last century shows world war is what we keep getting.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

  30. @Hiram of Tyre

    Precisely – Covid – I skimmed the article and comments (just 24 hours in a day!) – looking for that – then went to Ctrl-F – and yours is the only appearance of the term in this vast article.

    “all about” is likely over-stating the case – but, for sure, Belarus was one of just a few national dissenters from the plandemic. It had to be a chief motivator and a primary answer to the question: why now?

    I wonder what they have in store for Sweden?

    • Agree: Hiram of Tyre
  31. neutral says:

    Of course the jews will want to install a SJW puppet regime, they will tolerate nothing less. However this does not excuse the fact that Lukashenko thought that shaking hands with the likes of Pompeo is ever going to end well for him, he is a total moron if he thinks that there is any way the jews in the post Western lands will ever tolerate his regime being in power.

  32. hu_anon says:
    @Dumbo

    Exactly. Contrary to the illusions of Russian nationalists, the Russian Empire cannot be reestablished, because it is weak, lacks economic and cultural power (“soft power”) while Globohomo still has both. It is natural that after the breakup of the Soviet bloc and the USSR itself, the new countries were pulled to the orbit of the more powerful and culturally dominant West.
    GDP (PPP) per capita of Belarus is 66th in the world, 19,943 Int$ in 2019, lower than that of Bulgaria, the poorest EU country (while Poland was at 34,218, Lithuania 38,214, Estonia 38,811). Nominal GDP per capita is even worse, 6,603 US$ (between Peru and Colombia). Belarus is way poorer than Russia, as it lacks the natural resources of the latter. Propping up Belarus is an economic drain on Russia. It is totally understandable that citizens of Belarus are comparing their living standards unfavorably to their western neighbors. This was the primary cause of the collapse of the Soviet bloc too, not “yearning for freedom” and all that bullshit. Only intellectuals cared about that.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  33. Whitewolf says:
    @Juri

    At first glance it seems counter-productive to promote Stalin and good Soviets vs bad Nazis. The alternative however would be similar to the anti-White hysteria the West suffers under.

    A constant denigrating of your own history and highlighting mistakes your ancestors made does not make a strong country. Especially when you trash on your soldiers that fought and won a war against a powerful foreign invader. Are they supposed to praise the Nazis that invaded their country and killeds millions of Russians?

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Juri
    , @Svigor
    , @Svigor
  34. Dumbo says:
    @hu_anon

    Yeah, but not everything is about money. The current conventional wisdom in Eastern Europe is, join the EU/US/West, get money, but, in exchange perform some services for Globo-Homo, accept Gay Marriage and African Migrants, a few American Army Bases and Missile Sites here and there, etc.

    So basically you’re whoring out your country. And a whore’s life can be sad… And degrading in the long run… Best.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man, Svigor
  35. Clemsnman says:

    //(b) If Belarus is such a basket case, what does it bring to the table for Russia? Has it industries, natural resources, technological institutes, anything at all that would make it worth the problems? Why should Russia take on yet another financial drain?//

    Where else will the Russians go for casinos and pretty prostitutes?

    Whatever happens in Belarus I hope it’s good for the people there and doesn’t thrust the multiculti globohomo agenda on them.

  36. @Ilya G Poimandres

    Join the EU?
    Are you dreaming?
    England left the EU!
    French workers are revolting!
    Only one milking cow remained! And that is Germany!
    And she has already too many sucklings. And she has only so many tits.

  37. anon[454] • Disclaimer says:

    All the pictures of the rioters show them well dressed and fat and happy, and seem to have all kinds of free time to riot and tear their country down, following some house wife who couldn’t lead a girl scout troop just shows how stupid people are,for as soon as some pied piper comes along they are off and running….

  38. @Petermx

    You do not know what you are talking about. Estonians are mostly Nordic people. Estonia gets help from Finland and Sweden. Lithuania and Latvia are Slavic people. They are not getting help from anybody.

  39. HKW says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    Absolutely!

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/world-bankimf-exposed-covid-aid-conditional-imposing-extreme-lockdowns-curfews

    In case it has been taken down here is another link.

    https://justice4poland.com/2020/08/01/world-bank-imf-exposed-covid-aid-conditional-on-imposing-extreme-lockdowns-curfews/

    I strongly believe, that Lukashenko is being punished by the West for being too patriotic.

    It is truly disappointing witnessing such antiPolish sentiments in this article. Should the author be more informed then he would have known, that the Polish nation has been hijacked by jewish-zionists, who now occupy the Polish government.
    Most Poles has nothing against Belarus and, in fact, show concern about the recent events taking place there, not wishing for another Majdan financed by the Wall Street.
    Most Poles admire President Lukashenko and sincerely wish there was such leader in Poland too. Instead, the nation is being robbed in daylight by the jewish oligarchs occupying Polish government !

    • Agree: Hiram of Tyre
    • Replies: @Derer
  40. Lukashenko refused to lock down Belarus over the coronavirus hoax, scam, psyop and so became the target of the zionists who are behind the covid-19 bullshit.

    God bless Lukashenko, the only leader in the world who had the guts to stand up against the zionists and their covid-19 psyop.

    • Replies: @RegretLeft
  41. @Patronym

    What? A democratic process? A novel idea.

  42. Data says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Here’s an idea: How about leaving Belarus alone? The only problem is that sooner or later, Muscovites will invade their neighbors.

    • Replies: @Ilya G Poimandres
  43. Data says:
    @Harold Smith

    You don’t like a strong America I see. You will LOVE Trump’s re-election then.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  44. Alden says:
    @Derer

    Multiculturalism never worked very well in either in the Soviet or Tzarist era. Muslims and several antagonistic Christian sects, blue eyed blondes and mongol Asians Turkic peoples, jews, different cultures all held together by very strong governments and military garrisons in every town.

    Saker is very obviously strongly anti Polish and pro Russian.

  45. The problem is Eastern Europe is that young people want more opportunities to work and travel to the West. The EU provides them with a greater scope to their lives. They see a prosperous middle-class in the EU and even if it is a pipe-dream the chance to find a new life in a prosperous country if Belarus, for example, becomes a failed state. Since popular culture shows the West in a favorable light in terms of hedonism and materialism the pull cannot be resisted and the CIA and it’s allies know this and they believe, in the long term (in Washington at least), that they will be able to undermine nationalism and religion.

    • Disagree: Biff
    • Replies: @Wielgus
    , @FB
  46. @Data

    Naaaah, Muscovites have weak borsch (lucky me as I am half Ukranian by blood!), but if you ask the citizens of Belarus, they will ask to rejoin Russia, same as during the referendum in 1991. The homogeneity of opinion – from a homogenous population, is.. expected?! Same as the citizens of much of Ukraine.

    I get that ‘Hitler gave a shit about Germanics in artificially cut up parts of not-Germany, and attempted to reunite them with their motherland’, but, why not? ‘Why’ only implies the powers that be wish to split homogenous societies into competing factions. Why? Is that not instigating war? Why is that beneficial to the homogenous population, or their neighbours?

    Russian Slavs don’t need to be part of the same nation, but in the world of the last 1000 years, where west-west Eurasia bleeds in the ears at the dream of conquering central Eurasia, it is best to be together, so as not to get picked off by the vampires.

    • Replies: @Data
  47. padre says:
    @anonymous

    Navalny is of no importance to Putin, actualy he suits him, because he is so unimportand and uncapabable!Do you realy think that Putin would poison him right now, when he has so many serious chalenges in front of him, considering how many chances he had to get rid of him with no trouble?

  48. Wally says:
    @Whitewolf

    said:
    “Are they supposed to praise the Nazis that invaded their country and killeds millions of Russians?”

    – Except the ‘Nazi invasion’ was a pre-emptive action against a planned attack on Germany & Europe by the Communist USSR. Please get your facts straight.

    – You’ll need to do better than that at this site, where free speech on the subject is allowed.

    – Shed your Zionist propaganda.

    recommended:

    Why Germany Attacked the Soviet Union, Hitler’s Declaration of War Against the USSR – Two Historic Documents, by Mark Weber: https://www.unz.com/article/why-germany-attacked-the-soviet-union/
    FDR with Stalin Conspired to Start World War II in Europe: https://www.unz.com/article/roosevelt-conspired-to-start-world-war-ii-in-europe/

  49. Wielgus says:
    @Chris Cosmos

    While this is true, it has been obvious for a while that the streets of the EU are not paved with gold. For example about 15 years ago I noticed signs up at Victoria Coach Station, London, a common arrival point for less prosperous Central/East Europeans, in languages such as Lithuanian, asking women if they suspected they were being sex trafficked and if so, to go to the British police. About the same time I read about a Romanian woman who had got a job in the City of London, in some accountancy or stock exchange firm, who complained to an industrial tribunal about work harassment by employers who assumed she was a prostitute because that is the stereotype about women from Eastern Europe. A couple of years earlier I saw Code: Zero by Michael Hanneke – one of its characters is a middle-aged Romanian woman who begs in Paris. She is arrested and deported back to Romania but at the film’s end she is back in Paris, begging. She has told her family that she has a job as a cleaning lady – she cannot bear to tell them that she is a beggar.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  50. @paranoid goy

    I stopped reading after

    for Piłsudski to prostitute himself before Hitler

    aside from Wikipedia being wrong on most bios, it is beyond me exactly how Pilsudski prostituted himself. Pilsudski was at the forefront of Poland’s occupation of German territory post Armistice. Was it because of the Non-Aggression Pact that greatly reduced Poland slaughter of ethnic Germans? Was it Hitler agreeing to Poland’s territorial claim in several former German territories? Was it because his solution to the “Danzig corridor” was the one offered by Hitler to his moronic successor Edward Rydz-Śmigły, who rejected it and ordered the mobilization of Poland’s armed forces to attack Germany.

    My bet is on the Non-Aggression Pact. While Pilsudski did not like Hitler, they both understood the menace of the Soviet Union. Had the dumb-ass Rydz-Śmigły not ramped up the ethnic cleansing of Germans, accepted the corridor along with the guarantee of Poland’s borders for 25 years, there would have been no WWII, and no Soviet invasion of Poland. Unfortunately, this is always Saker’s blind spot.

    • Thanks: nokangaroos
  51. FB says: • Website
    @Juri

    …Russia keep pushing the bad Nazis, good Soviet “liberators” myth…

    Twenty-six million Russian lives crushed by Shitler is not any kind of ‘myth’…

    Shitler’s plan to enslave Russia and exterminate a third of its population is not any kind of ‘myth’…

    The Nazi Hunger Plan to starve 30 million Russians, depopulate the cities and settle them with Germans, is not any kind of ‘myth’…

    The Nazis starving five million Red Army soldiers is not any kind of ‘myth’…

    The Nazis exterminating millions of Poles is not any kind of ‘myth’…

    The Red Army liberating Poland, with the Poles joyfully awaiting the Russian advance and joining in in full strength to kick the Nazis out, is not any kind of ‘myth’…

    Only some uneducated fascist little turd with ZERO actual knowledge of the region or historical memory of the people there can come on a comment board and spout garbage like that…

    Every family in Russia lost someone in The Great Patriotic War…so did most families all across Poland and Eastern Europe…the Slavs were considered ‘untermenschen’ by the ignorant potato farmer Shitler…

    The US and Britain together suffered less than a million dead in the war, and contributed even less to the defeat of Shitler, which was done almost entirely by the Red Army…

    Nobody is going to forget that…the western stooges in power in Poland right now and the other eastern European countries are NOT working for the people…the people remember fondly the communist era when they had access to a decent life and social justice…dignity and hope for their kids…

    Now they have the hope of going to a shithole western Europe to clean toilets and sweep streets…this is the reality…

  52. Wielgus says:
    @Wally

    Germany or German-controlled territory didn’t even adjoin the USSR until an agreement was made with it – the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, taking out the countries in between Germany and the USSR. If the Third Reich professed to be worried about the Soviet Union and possible aggression from it, it bore at least some of the blame for the USSR sphere of influence expanding westward. It had made an agreement with it providing for this to happen.

  53. @Data

    Are you responding to something I said? In any case, what’s “America”?

  54. FB says: • Website

    Another useless ‘analysis’ by the Flaker…

    If you want to read an intelligent analysis on Belarus, then the go-to guy is Bernhard over at Moon of Alabama…

    Belarus – This Color Revolution Is Already Dead. The Union State Has Killed It.

    Throughout the week the protests groups in Belarus were rather small.

    The ‘western’ media have pushed high number counts and talked of countrywide protest when twenty women stood on a sidewalk in Minsk. Photos can tell the real story in such situations.

    Some observers got very excited when some 200 staff of the MTZ Minsk Tractor Works staged a short walkout. But MTZ Minsk Tractor Works has 17,000 employees.

    A year from now, when the Union State is finally established, Lukashenko can resign over health issues and retire. New competitive elections can then be held.

    I mentioned on Saker’s previous article that the Russian agenda towards Belarus seems to be oligarch-driven…some astute commenters on B’s article explained this quite well…as in this post from commenter William Gruff…

    My impression is that Belarus never really embraced neoliberalism when the Soviet Union was dissolved, and as such it most retained the old Soviet spirit out of all of the fragments…

    I am talking about public ownership of the economy and resources of the nation.

    Russia, on the other hand, catastrophically embraced neoliberalism, and it seems that despite all of his nationalist pragmatism that prevents it, Putin himself would like to find a way to make neoliberalism work.

    Could it be these two philosophies being very much at odds, diametrically opposed in fact, that explain Lukashenko’s resistance to the Union State?

    There it is…the entire situation in a nutshell…

    Perhaps I am waxing metaphysical here, but reuniting with the last fragment of the “soul” of the old Soviet Union might prove to be a catalyst that allows a new socialist union to arise.

    Or maybe that union will instead extinguish that last faint ember of Soviet soul?

    At this point, after 20 years of Putin riding two horses, it is increasingly clear that he is going to have to make a choice…the Russian MIC and key industries like aerospace are still in the public domain, as is health care and education…but the biggest swaths of the economy are oligarch wonderland, not much different from the corporate and banker utopia of the failing US…

    If the core Belarus constituency of working folks is dissatisfied, then it is mostly due to the idea of being absorbed into either the Russian oligarchy…or, even worse, the west’s neoliberal dystopia…

    Yes, Putin has a large share of responsibility for ‘losing’ Belarus…but that is because he has allowed neoliberalism and corporatacracy to fester and even prosper…even while watching China rejuvenate under a strongly socialist model…

    Flaker’s ‘remedies’ amount to putting lipstick on the neoliberal pig…better fancy footwork in the intel services and more astute political maneuvering…

    None of that is going to work, and the backbone of the Belarussian people don’t buy it…they want MORE socialism, not less…

    • Agree: Jazman
  55. Derer says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    Respecting a referendum is the same as respecting an election – that is the rule of present democracies. Although direct vote on issues would be much improved rule for democracies. Did American public was asked about invading Iraq – no, proxies in Washington decided.

    • Agree: Alfred, Miro23
    • Replies: @cassandra
  56. Exile says:

    There is no hope for any sort of “Greater Poland” either in a non-aligned or pro-NATO sense.

    The nations that lie between Germany and Russia have been invasion corridors for thousands of years. Their geo-strategic position mandates that they “Finlandize” to one or the other largely in correlation with each country’s proximity and strategic importance.

    This means Ukraine and Belarus belong in the Russia sphere and Poland should remain NATO-adjacent – but not be NATO’s “new frontier.”

    America and NATO promised Russia in the negotiations to reunify Germany that NATO would not move east from the new German border.

    They have broken that promise ever since, yet they cry that Russia is the aggressor and imperialist.

    Belarus’s location alone makes NATO’s subversive and treacherous activity there the most significant risk for World War III in recent years.

    Allowing NATO to Finlandize Belarus would be like Nova Scotia being militarized by Russia.

    This latest Sorosian Rainbow Revolution is just more warmongering and imperialism by an over-extended empire that can’t afford to take these risks and whose people would stand to gain nothing but pain in the attempt.

    As a disenfranchised White Nationalist refugee inside that empire, I want this stopped before Belarus becomes the next powder-keg ala Sarajevo in 1914 or Poland in 1939.

    • Agree: AriusArmenian
    • Replies: @Miro23
  57. Yes, there are similarities between Ukraine 2014 and Belarus 2020. The opposition in both places prefers the banners used by Hitler collaborators in WWII: red-black in Ukraine, white-red-white in Belarus. For a good reason: local Nazi wonnabes, funded and aided by the same puppet-masters, are spearheading the “revolution” in both places.

    However, there are differences. The ordinary people in Belarus appear to be smarter, or maybe they simply learned from the mistakes of Ukrainian fools. Even though many dislike Luka, the majority has no good feelings towards the “opposition” nonentities. There were pretty numerous rallies against the opposition (which Luka claims are for him). The strikes that the “opposition” likes to talk about did not materialize: on most plants 5% of the personnel (or even fewer) are striking, the rest keep working. The army and the police support the government. There are no compradore oligarchs to sell out the country, although there are compradores in power, particularly in the secret police (KGB), foreign ministry, and the media.

    Luka turned out to be a lot braver than Yanuk in Ukraine or Morales in Bolivia and did not run away at the first signs of trouble. Maybe he even really cares about the country (at least to the extent that his limited intelligence allows). To summarize, to the disappointment of globohomo, Maidan in Belarus failed. The losers will keep trying, but their chances are dwindling.

    Net result is that Europe is telling Luka in no uncertain terms that it does not want him. He is dumb, but even he got this simple message and begged Putin for help. So much for his “multi-vector” policy. Putin might help Belarus, but I hope he will get rid of Luka as early as possible and replace him with someone more sensible and reliable.

    • Replies: @Data
  58. Derer says:
    @Harold Smith

    Harold…it is not Trump but the backroom unelected group that decides, although Trump wanted to change that, drain the swamp, but as we can see was not able to…Mueller, Windman, Clapper, Brennan even Stormy put the end to that.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
    , @anon
  59. @anonymous

    There is no evidence yet that Navalny was poisoned. It might be a lie, like Yushchenko “poisoning”. If he was poisoned, there is more than 50% chance that it was false flag: Navalny turned out to be more useful to Putin than to the globohomo, he is successfully discrediting the “opposition” in the eyes of most Russians. So, if this hapless fool can be made a martyr, he’d be more useful that way.

  60. Derer says:
    @Wally

    Wally, I am surprised that you do not know anything about the Barbarosa.

  61. neutral says:
    @FB

    Hitler was fighting for a better world, there is no way this planet of the apes nightmare world can be considered better. And yes even the Slavs will eventually be overrun by these sub Saharan masses, their “victory” doomed all whites to extinction.

    • Replies: @jbwilson24
  62. I have to disagree to some extent with this article. Unless it is a feint, it seems that the color revolution has or is failing

    .The call for a general strike petered out within days. Belarus is already off the front pages of the MSM and the Navalny ‘poisoning’ looks like an attempt to move to a new narrative which will continue the demonisation of Putin.

    It didn’t even manage to get to the ‘snipers killing peaceful pro democracy protestors’ which is usually act 2 in the script..

    • Replies: @Data
  63. FB says: • Website
    @Chris Cosmos

    The EU provides them with a greater scope to their lives.

    That’s the propaganda candy wrapper and nothing more…wrapped inside of that is a big old turd, as many ordinary folks in the west are waking up to…

    A remarkable 72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism.

    Only 8% say most people in Hungary are better off, and 16% say things are about the same.

    Polls show: Eastern Europeans miss Communism.

    • Thanks: Patagonia Man
  64. @Zarathustra

    It’s only fair to offer the option. The problem is that leaders think they know what the population wants more than the population.

    No – the leaders should be there to enforce the decision of the majority, with respect to the laws they choose.

  65. @Zarathustra

    I think Estonians also have ( better for company development ) tax system than Polish right now.

    On 17 June 2020, Polish PM, Mateusz Morawiecki, presented the main assumptions behind the possible introduction of a new tax measure, dubbed as ‘Estonian CIT’. The project assumes that CIT payers with annual turnover below PLN 50 million (approx. EUR 11 million) who meet certain conditions, will not have to pay income tax until they decide to distribute the company’s earning.

    https://home.kpmg/pl/en/home/insights/2020/06/tax-alert-poland-to-implement-estonian-solutions-in-cit-collection.html

    • Thanks: Zarathustra
  66. @neutral

    ” even the Slavs will eventually be overrun by these sub Saharan masses”

    I doubt that.

    You underestimate the staying power of ethnocentrism.

    What’s happening right now is that the non-ethnocentric whites are being replaced. Their fertility is low, so they aren’t having kids. they are welcoming hordes of rapacious Muslims and other third world trash into their territory.

    However, ethnocentrism has a partly genetic basis. As the less ethnocentric members of a society start to become less numerous, the pendulum swings towards in group preference.

    The EU might fall to the blacks, arabs and other groups, but the more ethnocentric whites will band together, reconvene in other countries, and begin to produce babies again at higher rates.

    The Jewish goal is to make sure that this doesn’t happen, but I doubt they can pull it off. They’ll be busy dealing with their third world pets, who will be trashing the critical infrastructure systems in the west as they do in South africa.

    “Hitler was fighting for a better world”

    He was fighting for German nationalism. Which I have no problem with, but his racist attitude toward slavs cost him the war. All he had to do was ally with the Belarussians and others who volunteered to fight with the Wehrmacht against the Soviet regime. He rebuffed these offers until it was too late, making me suspicious of whether or not the entire war was a setup. The Germans would have taken the Soviet Union if 2-5 million Slavic men had been allowed to fight for their side. Convenient that this never happened, and instead the end result was the destruction of the best males of both sides.

  67. @Harold Smith

    Only a treacherous, lying, reptile would call the elected president of the United States an “evil orange clown.”

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
    , @Meimou
  68. Frank37 says:

    Saker sounds very unconvincing. He talks about corruption, and pretends not to know that if the “sincere opposition” were to come to power, they would be coopted in no time by the infinitely more corrupt western mafia. It is pretty transparent that Saker wants Lukashenko to go and that he is downplaying the consequences for Russia of a Belarus being run by western handlers. Very strange.

    The sudden, concerted onslaught on Lukashenko by Western governments and their press has to have a strong relation to his recent statements regarding IMF/World Bank demands that he implement hard measures to “fight the pandemic” based on the Italian model of long lockdowns, etc.

    From the perspective of the masters who are directing the “pandemic” psyop/heist, Lukashenko’s statements were scandalous and intolerable, even if he only said what has been increasingly clear for months now: that there are many incentives for governments and medical establishments to play up the vicious nature of the new killer virus. The carrots are tender if they do, and the sticks are hard if they don’t.

    By now, the utter sham of this “pandemic” should be obvious to most. Tons of information lead to that conclusion. But most people are convinced there is a big killer out there. Extraordinary.

    Sars-Cov-2 tests are scientifically meaningless
    https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/

    Coronavirus PCR Test Primer Sequence is Found in All Human DNA
    https://pieceofmindful.com/2020/04/06/bombshell-who-coronavirus-pcr-test-primer-sequence-is-found-in-all-human-dna/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    Was the COVID-19 Test Meant to Detect a Virus?
    https://uncoverdc.com/2020/04/07/was-the-covid-19-test-meant-to-detect-a-virus/

    This documentary. If you only have 2 minutes, watch 2 minutes starting at 33:02.
    https://cetv.one/programs/plandemic-indoctrination?categoryId=12310

    The document he mentions “A World At Risk” is here. See especially page 10
    https://apps.who.int/gpmb/assets/annual_report/GPMB_annualreport_2019.pdf

  69. @Wally

    ‘Nazi invasion’ was a pre-emptive action

    Sure. And before that Hitler preemptively occupied Czechoslovakia, Poland, Denmark, Norway, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, France, etc. He also preemptively bombed England. Such a model preemption-minded guy!

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  70. Data says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    Why would Belarus want to join Russia. Wouldn’t that be replacing one lifetime dictator with another?

  71. @Derer

    I vehemently disagree. You sound like Paul Craig Roberts making excuses for the evil orange clown. Orange clown has been enthusiastically advancing the “deep state” “foreign policy” agenda of world domination and control at any cost, practically since the day he was inaugurated.

    The evil orange clown – the psychotic psychopath that he is – has shown that he is neither intellectually nor morally capable of “draining the swamp” even if he could somehow grasp the concept. But he obviously can’t grasp the concept since he obviously doesn’t know right from wrong and he’s been nothing but a lowlife scumbag his whole “life.”

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
    , @Derer
  72. Data says:
    @Spender_CGB

    Russia NOT meddling with Belarus has the same chance as a bear NOT shitting in the woods.

  73. ATBOTL says:

    Russia’s extreme level of corruption — government/oligarch raiding of private business — puts Russia in a different category than China or even Nigeria. That extreme corruption is holding Russia’s GDP to a fraction of what it could be with the rule of law. Russia under this corrupt system simply cannot generate the wealth to be a competitive player in geopolitics at the level it wants to be. Russia’s foreign policy is constantly writing checks that Russia’s economy can’t cash. Ultimately, Russia’s failure to retain it’s near abroad as allies is due this this lack economic competence. No one wants to hitch their country’s future to such a corrupt and undynamic economy.

    Putin and his clique seem incapable of understanding this fact. They display a shocking lack of concern about corruption. Part of the Russian character is to ignore problems until a total collapse happens. If Belarus goes, pressure in Russia will build dramatically. Younger people in Russia do not believe that they have some stoic obligation to tolerate poverty and a government that makes African governments look honest. Russia is racing towards another collapse.

    • Agree: hu_anon
  74. anon[454] • Disclaimer says:
    @Derer

    No Trump had no intention of draining any swamp for he is one of the swamp creatures,look at who he surrounded himself with all neocons and the worse of them,Trump would make a good use car salesmen but that’s as far as his mentality would take him.

    The economy is tanking and all he does is to dump $6.1 trillion into the financial system to protect the wealth of his other swamp creatures the 1%,meanwhile his hand pick cronies are creating trouble all over the world, stealing the oil in Syria and now I see the American vultures are at work in Iraq,America is burning down, far to many cites are little more then free fire zones on the week ends,they have a rotting decaying infrastructure but won’t rebuild it because there’s there’s no profit,Trumps not going to do a damn think that’s not in the interest of this group period.!!

    • Agree: FB, Realist
    • Replies: @Culpepper
    , @Derer
  75. Data says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Putin will ‘help’ Luka by putting even more Russian troops on Belarus soil.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  76. Alfred says:
    @Petermx

    According to some rankings Estonia now has the tenth highest standard of living in the world.

    This is complete nonsense that only economists believe in. So many things are almost free in Belarus so they don’t count as a part of the wealth. It is ridiculous. The same applies to many countries in Eastern Europe.

    In Kiev, the metro costs 8 hryvnia ($0.29) for a long distance. In London, the cheapest zone 1 ticket is £4.90 ($6.47) or 20 times as much. That means that in the national statistics the trip in London is worth 20 times as much as a trip in Kiev – utter nonsense.

    In Tallinn, Estonia, a public transport ticket costs €1.50 ($1.78). In Minsk, it costs Br0.70 ($0.28). Does that mean that a trip in Tallinn is 6 times as valuable as one in Minsk?

    I am using public transport as an example. But a similar situation applies across the board – food, education, medical care, entertainment etc. The real cost of living in Tallinn is so much higher than Minsk that it cancels out the putative wealth of its inhabitants.

    Estonia receives economic support from Finland and other Nordic countries as well as from the European Union.

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @Petermx
    , @showmethereal
  77. hu_anon says:
    @Bip

    Sure it may be possible that Litvinenko, Yushchenko, Nemtsov and the Skripals were all “false flags” commited by the CIA/MI6/Mossad (some Russians apparently also seriously believe that the Chernobyl nuclear catastrophe was also a CIA operation – just like American ultra-conservatives thought that the Columbia disaster was due to a KGB sabotage operation). I must admit that this may seem perfectly logical for paranoid, conspiracy minded Russians who think the world is always out to get them.
    The other possibility that for Putin’s mindset poisoning or otherwise doing away with uncomfortable persons is the normal course of things. After all, who’s going to hold him accountable? He was raised in the KGB as a young man, and that’s how they used to do things. Some people counter that the Russians aren’t so incompetent that they don’t succeed to kill their targets or that they are found out, like the Skripals’ (alleged) poisoners. But all signs point to exactly that, they are not omnipotent, not even very competent, their mindset and modus operandi is stuck in the past, and don’t take into account that today’s “panopticon” interconnected, internet-addicted world is not the ’80’s anymore.

  78. @FB

    The Nazi Hunger Plan to starve 30 million Russians, depopulate the cities and settle them with Germans, is not any kind of ‘myth’…

    The Nazis starving five million Red Army soldiers is not any kind of ‘myth’…

    The Nazis exterminating millions of Poles is not any kind of ‘myth’…

    That is the truth that can not be forgotten or erased.

    • Agree: FB
  79. FB says: • Website
    @ATBOTL

    Total bunkum…from a clown who obviously has no actual experience with Russia…

    The actual economic corruption in Russia is far far less than in the United States, for instance the arms procurement sector, which is a giant cesspool of corruption…

    Wall Street has managed to take over the formerly industrial US and hollow it out for massive profits to individual parasites…

    The formerly great higher education system has been likewise gutted by the US oligarchy…health care is not even funny any more…twice the cost of nationalized health in industrialized countries, while offering inadequate protection to most folks…medical expenses is the NUMBER ONE cause of bankruptcy in the US…and that’s among middle class folks who can afford health insurance…

    The problem with Russia isn’t corruption anymore, although it was under Yeltsin…but the problem is the corporatist system of private ownership like in the rest of the west and much of the world…

    Economically Russia is doing fine…the country overtook Germany last year in GDP and is now the fifth largest economy in the world…it has the lowest debt of any major economy…and from personal experience people live very well and have decent opportunities in rewarding careers…

    Russia could be doing better with a more socialist political economy, like China for instance, but it is a solid middle-income country that still has a massive intellectual base in hard science…the country graduates twice as many engineers as the US, and the same number of STEM graduates…with half the population…

    The country’s competence in key technologies that really count, like aerospace and armaments is unmatched by any power in the world…I know this from 20 years of personal experience as an aerospace engineer doing plenty of work in Russia…

    You comment is the kind of mushroomland tripe that the ridiculous clown in the US stinktank community, like Atlantic Council, Chatham House etc, try to peddle to the people of the west, hoping to pull the wool over their eyes with total nonsense…

    Maybe you believe this crapola, as many such useful idiots engaged in this propaganda industry do…but not many informed people buy this turd sandwich anymore…

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Biff
    , @hu_anon
  80. @Wally

    You are absolutely correct.
    And not only that. Bloody Ruskies even did rewrite the last two chapters of Mein Kampf.
    (sarc.)

  81. @Data

    Putin will ‘help’ Luka by putting even more Russian troops on Belarus soil.

    He does not need to do that. The majority of Belarus population does not want to get into the Ukrainian trap (smart people learn from mistakes of fools). The only thing the government needs to do is remove globohomo agents. That’s where Putin must help, as Luka’s KGB, foreign ministry, and media are clearly infiltrated by globohomo compradores. Act 2 would be replacing Luka with someone smarter and more reliable: after all, Luka created this whole problem himself. But Act 1 should be played out first.

  82. Tim too says:
    @FB

    all of which leads to one of the most important foreign policy stances on the planet: “Never again on our own soil!”

    • Agree: FB
  83. @ATBOTL

    Russia’s extreme level of corruption

    That’s usual globohomo assertion, about as true as the rest of their narrative. Russian corruption at the lower levels might be a bit higher than in the US and its vassals, but at the higher levels it’s smaller. The amount of money directly stolen in the US within MIC and as the result of bailouts of banksters of all stripes is much greater than the whole Russian budget.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  84. @ATBOTL

    Did you check US debt lately?

  85. @Data

    Names names – is the leader beneficial for the nation?

    Is Putin bad for the average Russian?

    Of course he is not an enlightened philosopher king, although imo he is not far, balancing the horrible base of affairs he was dealt, with the potential of a decent IQ, resource rich fraction of the planet.

    The real issue is whether a merger with Russia would imply a degradation of Belarusian state services (and whether such degradation would be worse than if Belarus joined the EU).

    I suspect there would be a corporate take over – oligarchs are still strong, as much as Russia moves back to state control under Putin, but this is treaty level discussion – paths for important industries could be agreed upon before the fact (unlike with Yeltzin’s band), and social services could be equalised slowly, to not cause disruption (though the pension reform doesn’t offer hope for non discrete action by the Russian state!)

  86. @Petermx

    I plan on visiting the statue erected to Bandera in Lviv where he is buried the next time I visit the city and perhaps lay some flowers there to honor him.

    Tell me who are your heroes and I tell you what you are.

    • Replies: @FB
  87. @ploni almoni

    “Only a treacherous, lying, reptile would call the elected president of the United States an ‘evil orange clown.’”

    You’re a liar; I’ve never heard you call it that.

  88. Alfred says:
    @Wielgus

    one of its characters is a middle-aged Romanian woman who begs in Paris

    Romanians who beg are gypsies. I guess this movie was financed by the European Union and intended to make people believe that not all beggars are gypsies. It is typical. All the movies they finance are about worthy immigrants from Africa or homosexuals or Nazis mistreating Jews and nonsense like that.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  89. Petermx says:
    @Zarathustra

    I know what I’m talking about. I have lived in Estonia for the last year and I have been to all three Baltic countries many times starting almost 20 years ago. One side of my family originated from what became part of Lithuania after WW II. Maybe you don’t now what you are talking about. I do.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  90. @AnonFromTN

    You would be surprised to know that Hitler had serious enemies.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  91. @Desert Fox

    More assent to the covid connection! but “only leader”? – probably not – I can’t speak with complete confidence but probably President of Brazil resisted; Mexican Pres for a time, as well. Sweden of course; I thought Syria also took a pass on Covid – as might well be expected. In the early going at least, many African countries were resisters – was it the Ugandan President who publicly read out the Rockefeller Foundation 2010 game plan? … was it Mali where the President tossed out the WHO… was then overthrown and soon after (was said to have) suffered a fatal heart attack? (and WHO invited back in).

    I think it important to allude as best I can to the resisters; sorry for the hazy report.

    Whatever his sins (and those of the others) they all showed considerable courage in this context.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  92. FB says: • Website
    @AnonFromTN

    The clown Petermx will also be laying some flowers here…

    A Prague reproduction of the Golem

    • Thanks: SeekerofthePresence
  93. Petermx says:
    @Alfred

    Yes, Estonia is not as cheap as many other eastern European countries. That is part of what comes with success. Finland and other Nordic countries do not invest in Estonia out of the goodness of their hearts. Yes, the EU has helped all 3 Baltic countries, as it has helped all eastern Europe. It was a good investment, just as West Germany’s aid to East Germany was a good investment.

    A friend of mine that grew up in Moscow told me many years ago that the Baltic countries had a higher (not great, but higher) standard of living than the rest of the USSR even in Soviet times.

    I have been to Belarus and already commented on what a beautiful city Minsk is many times already. Calm down.

    • Thanks: Alfred
    • Replies: @Wielgus
  94. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Belarus has always been a participant in the CIS/Union State structure. As such, effectively borders don’t exist or are very lightly restricted between Russia and Belarus. This goes for movement and trade. Belarus does a lot of co-operation with Russia on several fronts, including military and intelligence. Belarus is an integral part of the Russian defense structure.

    Look, there are different viewpoints for this:

    -USA/EU puppets/NATO want Belarus for all kinds of reasons but ultimately to break the Russian defensive structure and be able to implant banderastan agents on their back yard

    -Belarus is surrounded by very hostile states to anything related to Russian culture or language (Poland, Lithuania and Ukraine). Additionally, these states have a long history of fighting with Russia through the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (PLC). Belarus holds a large area that historically belonged to it, and there is no doubt they are seeking to carve it up if at all possible

    -Regardless of what you may think, Belarus territory is an integral part of the Russian defense doctrine, since it keeps those hostile puppets of the US/NATO in line, and prevents a ring of ABM missiles on their border (which could embolden idiot US leaders to strike)

    -Hence, keeping Belarus from becoming another Banderastan is integral to world peace. Belarus has a bright future with the EEA (an Eurasian economic union), if they continue implementing this integration like the Russians are telling Lukashenko, if he wants to keep – not even power, but his life

    So naturally the “PLC”, proxies of the USA will try to infiltrate and hijack their own Pro-NATO opposition in Belarus, and Russia will try to prevent it. This is all the context that anyone with half a brain cell needs to know about the situation and how things develope. It’s not about Lukashenko’s power any more, it’s about whether he can keep his life and Belarus from being looted and destroyed in the process as per the pro-NATO fake opposition plans.

  95. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    1. How Russia is supposed to save Belarus. Suppose Lukashenko now signs up for immediate accession of Belarus to Russia. Then what? Lukashenko, according to everyone I’ve read on the subject, no longer holds the authority to credibly do any such thing. If Lukashenko signs an accession, what will happen?

    Minsk becomes fantastically rich – in Uzbek and Chechen taxi drivers.

    There is no safe path forward for Putin here, which is funny given his surname. Not intervening in Belarus may mean its loss to NATO. Intervening would basically be slapping Poland on the face.

    It’s a very interesting domino to witness fall. Personally I’m sad, because Lukashenko is the only world leader to have resisted coronamania. Literally, the only.

    A great man, whatever happens.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  96. @RegretLeft

    You are right, and God bless everyone of them who stood up to this zionist psyop, here in Montana we have a governor who is under Chuck Shumers beck and call and has locked Montana down, can’t believe this could happen here, and it is all a hoax to bring in a satanic zionist one world government.

    • Agree: Thim
  97. Cyrano says:

    This is my 3rd and final installment in the series: “How did Belarus got its name”. Based on some thorough research, I came to the conclusion that the Belorussians didn’t give that name to themselves. It was given to them by the Russians based on the tendency of the Belorussians to scare easily.

    Like the song from Procol Harum – Whiter Shade of Pale – that’s how the Belorussians turn when somebody spooks them. This is how devious the Russians really are, they knew of this quality of the Belorussians to scare easily, so that’s why they moved them close to the western borders of Russia.

    When some unwanted invaders from the west come (as they frequently do), they see the Belorussians turn whither shade of pale, and they think that Russia would be a cakewalk. As they advance deeper into Russia, they usually get ass-whooping that they’ll remember for centuries.

    I am just kidding, Belorussians are great people.

    “You said there is no reason, and the truth is plain to see”.

  98. @ploni almoni

    You would be surprised to know that Hitler had serious enemies.

    If everyone who has serious enemies would occupy a dozen countries, the world would be in an even worse shape than it is.

  99. @Harold Smith

    You are starting to sound completely nuts.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  100. Thim says:

    Poor effort, even for Saker.

    Putin sent in the Wagner Group to shoot up Independence Square, but he failed.

    The first protesters, look at the videos like I did. These were not the usual leftist dirt. They were mostly healthy looking Russians. Obviously, these were Putin’s people. Lukashenko had his boys treat them fairly rough.

    At which point the Police began to defect. They are all Russian brothers after all. So Luka pulled them out.

    Well, the police are back in the streets today. And Putin’s people are not there. The recent protests are actually rather small. But it is not exactly clear if the police are obeying orders.

    As Lavrov just said, the situation is very difficult.
    Moscow’s pre-emptive coup attempt turned into a joke. Maybe they are oxygen deprived in Moscow and need to take off their silly masks.

    Two packs of Hyenas are circling the only sane State in Europe, crazy with lust to rape Belarus of her assets. Scylla and Charybdis. Tough sailing for the good ship Belarus.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @vot tak
  101. @Petermx

    “According to some rankings Estonia now has the tenth highest standard of living in the world. This is a great achievement. They are ahead of the USA, which may not be saying much any more but the Baltic countries are successful and good contributors to the EU, unlike some southern countries. If Russia was as well run as Estonia it would still be a world power.”

    Estonia is a very special case within the Baltic States.

    Estonian workers transit a lot to Finland, where wages are relatively high – it provides them with income which provides them a higher-than-average quality of life in Estonia. Finland has almost one of the most generous welfare systems in Europe – naturally the Estonian workers can benefit/use this welfare system due to low control and restrictions. The system works for unemployed and provides income to everyone individually as well, as well as for children.

    Another thing benefiting Estonia over time has been their very low comparable corporate and individual tax rates. Estonia – in part- can afford to keep taxes low since many Estonians benefit from Finnish welfare systems, hence Estonia need not provide them.

    A third thing is relatively low alcohol taxation in Estonia. According to statistics, the tax relating to the sale of alcohol is over 11% of the total tax revenues in Estonia. The Finnish alcohol tourism is a big business for Estonia, not only directly selling Alcohol, but for the shipping company Tallink as well, which is the fourth largest company after two foreign banks and the state owned energy company.

    If one looks at Latvia or Lithuania, one will notice much worse economical statistics in every aspect, as a major part due to all these special fundamentals applying to Estonia, which relies on the Finnish welfare systems and taxation, are missing from them. By no means Estonia fully relies on Finland but the Finns have been a very large contributor to the Estonian economy, and it can potentially reverse in the future, or act to slow growth as they start raising taxes to benefit from their “larger” base, and prices becomes overpriced (the capital Tallinn already is in many aspects). Thus reversing their only drivers of growth.

  102. Tom67 says:

    I quote the Saker: “Belarusians are Russians, even more so than the Ukrainians. ” No they are not. Even if they speak the same language. Neither are Swiss or Belgian French speaking people French nor Austrians or Swiss speaking German, Germans. I really, really hope the mindset of the Saker doesn´t prevail in the Kremlin. Because that will serve to estrange Belorussians and Ukrainians even further. In fact the Saker is (unwittingly) playing the games of the West by denying a separate identitiy of Belorussians and Ukrainians and thereby firing the suspicions of Belorussians and Ukrainians who would otherwise simply go where cultural gravity will pull them.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  103. @Marshall Lentini

    Good point about Belarus being just about the only country on earth not to destroy normal human life and interaction and commerce with this irrational lockdown.

    But the truly great leader in this scenario is Putin, if he takes the initiative here. The least bad path for him is to intervene soon on behalf of the Belarussian people, NOT on behalf of Lukashenko.

    Putin should force Lukashenko to retire, offering him a safe and prosperous landing in some third country.

    Putin then very publicly prosecutes lukashenko’s plutocrat and government cronies for corruption, one after another. The Russian Federation confiscates their properties (any any reachable funds) in Belarus and Russia.

    Putin and the Duma allocate the proceeds to pay a bonus to all Belarussians and modernize/expand a major hospital and a school in each city.

    combine that with the other direct material benefit to Belarussians from finishing the merger: at least a slight increase in retirement benefits up to the RF level, from what I’m reading,

    Putin then ensures actual free and fair elections for municipal and oblast-level offices, and gives the people of each town and city more control over local laws and policies. If people in some towns want to teach “Belarussian” or Polish in school, let them teach whatever language they want in addition to russian.

    Meanwhile, the completion of the union-state proceeds apace. At least two of the Russian peoples are back together, and the US loses the chance to position its forces aggressively right on the border near Russia’s two essential cities.

    • Replies: @HKW
  104. @Petermx

    Just because you did see some streets it does not mean that you have a knowledge of the economic conditions. Maybe Ikea did give Estonia some part of their production. Who knows.
    But I have seen some reports that Finland and Sweden are helping.
    So anyway you slice it Estonia did not reach higher standard of living by its own like you are asserting.
    I do admit that mentality of people plays some role also, and Estonians are more driven that Slavic people, but still miracles do not happen. It is almost impossible for a new established entity to enter the world market.

    • Replies: @Petermx
  105. @ploni almoni

    “You are starting to sound completely nuts.”

    Coming from a supporter of the evil orange clown, that’s a nice compliment. Thanks.

  106. Seraphim says:
    @Tom67

    The problem is obviously not whether Belarussians or Ukrainians are ‘Russians’, but that Ukraine or Belarus offer themselves as forward bases for a propagandistic and military aggression against Russia. The ‘West’ did not renounce its centuries old dream of dismantling Russia and pushing its wretched ‘values’ on her, from ‘uniatism’ to LGBTQ+. Russians feel sad seeing their estranged brothers sinking into that stinking cesspool.

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  107. Yulian says:

    As for the EU gerontocrats, they are just doing what they know how to do: try to impersonate some kind of (moral?) “authority” which gets to decide which elections are fair, which are not, which regimes get to beat up demonstrators (Macron anybody?) and which ones must immediately yield to the demands of a carefully controlled “opposition”.

    ”Now its Belarus, with the hypocritical West savagely suppressing its own protesting population and waxing in grief about the very light police tactics of Lukashenko. Their latest martyr hero who died in the protests, died when his own bomb blew up prematurely. This dead terrorist brought out no less then every EU ambassador, paying him tribute. This insanity has gone so far that even Gas Gas Gas Them Macron, who for 2 years has set records in the use of CS gas on one’s own populace, utilizing absolute third world tyranny against his own French population (not the illegal immigrant arabs or africans he uses to replace his French population) talks about the people’s right to demonstrate in Belarus, you know the bottom of morality pit has been reached.”

    From:

    ВТОРНИК, 18 АВГУСТА 2020 Г.
    American Tech Giants Extensions of the Neocon Agenda

    https://truthaboutrussia2019.blogspot.com/

    • Agree: Robjil
  108. RT says:

    Short answer: No
    Belarus will not become next Baderistan.
    If on August 18-21 1991 in Moskow were Lukashenko or someone like him, the great country would still be there instead of differrent “stans”.

    • Agree: FB
  109. Herald says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Of course, Russia needs to look East, but it has to keep a close watch on events along its western borders. As the Saker says, there may well be no good options for Russia, but letting NATO into Belarus would be would be an act of gross stupidity, bordering on insanity.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  110. Svevlad says:
    @Data

    Because they’re a fake and gay nation like the entire butthurt belt. Absolutely no use to anyone except to be a buffer state

  111. cassandra says:
    @Derer

    proxies in Washington decided.

    …because higher proxies had decided what Washington was going to have decided.

    Justifications given for geopolitical decisions have become increasingly nonsensical. In the case of Iraq, even the NeoCons were more apologists than hawks, in the sense that they gave explanations for the invasion, and predictions for developments, that I doubt that they actually believed.

    Could Wolfowitz really think the war would pay for itself? Did Rumsfeld believe the war would be over in a couple of weeks, or that we’d be greeted with flowers? The actual failed outcome was fobbed off as some unexpected surprise, but was predictably obvious to numerous observers, and probably to the Neocons as well. It makes more sense to think that they they spouted their BS more to allay public skepticism and promote an otherwise unacceptable agenda, than to express their real expectations.

    Maybe OIL (Operation Iraqi Liberation), or the appointment of ex-Unocal pipeline proponent Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan were the behind-the-scenes, real motivations, but even prospect of those questionable explanations was slim.

    Finally, the Belarusian economy will “reformed” – meaning that whatever can be sold will be sold, then the country will be deindustrialized (like the Ukraine or the Baltic states).

    Indeed. The obvious common thread in all this is the Balkanization of independent countries: Serbia, Iraq, Syria, Ukraine and Libya, and the demonization of independent leaders, like Putin, Assad, Qaddafi and Saddam Hussein. It appears that even control of natural resources is secondary to the primacy of raw geopolitical power uber alles. The power center seeking that goal reside at a supranational level where nations and corporations are manipulated instruments of truly sovereign foundations.

  112. FB says: • Website
    @Thim

    Good comment…I think this version of events may be closer to the truth…

    The Putin fanboys are all piling on Luka…but St Vlad gets a pass…?

    Not knocking Putin, but it’s hard not to notice that Luka is the better man…

  113. In general terms Eastern Europe’s population is shrinking like no other regional population in *modern history.

    So here’s the $64,000 question:

    Why on earth would the peoples of former Soviet republics or even Warsaw Pact countries (with the exception of Catholic Poland -which was always to play the wedge role between Protestant Germany’s capital & technology and Orthodox Russia’s vast resources and manpower) – want to fall in line with the Anglo-zionist empire, given the devastating impacts its had on their populations?

    Have these people got absolutely *no sense of self-preservation?

    Because its not just the numbers – its the trajectory!!!

    Belarus: 1989: 10,151,800; 2019: 9,452,411

    Estonia: 1989:1,565,662; 2020: 1,328,976

    Latvia: 1990: 2,668,140; 2020: 1,907,675

    Lithuania: 1989: 3,674,802; 2020: 2.794 million

    Hungary: 1980 10,709,463; 2020: 9,769,012

    Romania: 1990: 23,206,720; 2018: 19,472,072

    Bulgaria: 1985: 8,948,649; 2019: 6,951,482

    Poland: 1990 37,960,653; 2020: 37,846,611

    Czechia: 1991: 10,308,682; 2019: 10,681,161

    Slovakia: 1991: 5,274,335; 2020: 5,457,926

    Ukraine: 1993: 52,244,000; 2019: 41,902,000

    Moldova: 1990: 4,364,000; 2019*: 2,681,000

    Transnistria: 1989: 679,000; 2018 (est): 469,000

    Georgia (excl. Abkhazia & S. Ossetia): 1991: 5,460,000; 2019: 3,723,000

    Azerbaijan: 1989: 7,021,200; 2019: 9,981,457

    Armênia: 1989: 3,304,776; 2017: 2.986,000

    Kazakhstan: 1989: 16,537,000; 2018: 18,137,000

    NB: Data is from national censuses/UN/IMF estimates for most recent year. (This year Ukraine census won’t even be held).

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
    , @Petermx
  114. Iva says:

    Someone took all Ukrainian gold, all 130 tons on an unmarked plane and no one knows who took it and where it is.  Now someone wants Belorussian gold. That is why this someone is messing up in Belorussia. They will destroy the country, take gold and leave just like they left Ukraine. I hope everyone remembers the Solidarity movement in Poland. It was sold to Poles that it is a shipyard workers movement that spread ( thanks to propaganda) all over the country. It took 40 years to find out that it was sponsored by Soros through Batrory’s Foundation and Lech Walesa was informant collaborating with communist, and general Jaruzelski came to the US for directives how to change the regime so the same people are in control , but it just look that Poles got ‘Freedom” and abolish communism. No one went to prison, a doctrine “we do not touch your people , you do not touch our people ” was implemented and two major parties were established to divide polish population. Just like in the US.
    What is happening in Belorussia is globalist / zionist/communist agenda. It is sickening.

    • Thanks: GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @HKW
    , @Włodzimierz
  115. @Patagonia Man

    Furthermore, without doing a full comparative analysis for all countries, just taking Lithuania as one example …

    The latest Eurostat report on the dire situation in Lithuania shows that up to 29% of its people are living on the verge of poverty – with that remaining static now for 8 years in a row.

    Also, it’s unsurprising that for many years Lithuania has had the highest no. of suicides in the EU.

    The laundry list of domestic social problems, especially in the Baltic states, has been largely ignored by the Western MSM which has been tasked with a massive Russophobia campaign promoted by the ZOG’s of France, the UK & US (FUKUS).

    • Replies: @Derer
  116. Biff says:
    @FB

    from personal experience people live very well and have decent opportunities in rewarding careers…

    Having never been to Russia I wouldn’t know, but I will say this; a few years ago I stayed at a Russian owned resort in Phuket Thailand – it was clean and well run, and the Russian tourists were courteous and polite. The breakfast buffet was one of the best.

    Over the past five years I’ve run into many enclaves of Russian tourists(usually the gulf islands) here in Thailand and they seem genuinely satisfied within their lot; not excessively obnoxious or drunk(those are the English); ethnically homogeneous; a bit stinky(they still got that cigarette thing going on – as do many Europeans for that matter); and in large numbers easily tolerable – so whatever they are doing it seems to be working.

  117. vot tak says:
    @Thim

    While the first sentence has merit, the rest of the comment is the usual zionazi-gay guardianista style websayanin propaganda spam.

  118. Agree with FB, MOA is much better source for information on this, especially for those of us who are not experts on this part of the world.

    Protesters were seen chanting “Radio Liberty” The CIA’s propaganda brainwashing radio channel. So its pretty easy to guess what the agenda is. Greedy capitalists want to privatize (steal) everything they can get their hands on. Leave the people on their knees begging. Nothing new, the CIA weaponizing nationalism to serve the empire.

    Some other articles:

    https://www.rt.com/russia/498140-minsk-protests-similar-kiev-moscow/

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/odious-war-criminal-bernard-henri-levy-endorses-the-belarusian-opposition/

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/russophobia-collapse-the-puppeteers-of-the-protests-in-belarus-do-not-hide-their-plans/

    OT thought: Was watching the DNC convention, felt like I was being brainwashed by some MKUltra reverse psychology, holy smokes. It can’t be an accident that after watching that I actually wanted to vote for Trump. Not happening though! But for someone easily programmed by these psyops, I can’t help but think they’re actively trying to get more drones to support him. Not good!

    This country is cursed. Convinced of it more every day.

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  119. Exile says:
    @ATBOTL

    I spent two months in St. Petersburg last year and I did not see a sub-Nigerian state of corruption or lawlessness. The streets were safe and the worst crime I experienced was the cab fare from Pulkovo (fool me once…)

    Considering that the prosperous West did its best to pillage everything worth stealing from Russia for over a decade which not coincidentally saw a total collapse in the ruble and the social order itself, it is a testament to the Russian capacity for order (as opposed to “rule of law”) that the present state has survived and is on its way back up. For a people brought to the brink of starvation where male life expectancy had crashed to 58 years, Russians have shown themselves to be uniquely resilient and determined in getting back to where they are.

    Yes, the siloviki have skeletons in their closet, but no more than the Clinton or Bush crime families and their neo-lib-con cabals of warmongers.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  120. Seraphim says:

    What are the real goals of the ‘opposition’ was laid bare in that piece published by the Saker on his site:@http://thesaker.is/these-are-the-real-goals-of-the-belarusian-opposition/?inmoderation:
    “Objectives:
    – to strengthen national identity, increase patriotism and national dignity;
    – to unite the citizenry on the basis of democratic values and the idea of building an independent Belarus;
    – to reduce the influence of the Kremlin on Belarus through informational, economic, integrationist and humanitarian factors;
    – exit from post-Soviet integrationist unions with Russian domination;
    – integration into Western political, economic, and military structures (the EU, NATO)

    Among the ‘steps’ towards the realization of these objectives:
    – (central) ‘inclusion of Belarus in cooperation programs within the framework of the “Three Seas” Initiative, with the aim of preparing the necessary documents, programs and infrastructure for Belarus’ joining the future system of liquefied natural gas (LNG) deliveries from the US to Eastern Europe’;
    – privatisation of state enterprises with a ban on purchase by companies with more than 20% share of Russian capital, the creation of conditions for the attraction of direct foreign investment;
    – fulfillment by Belarus of all membership criteria for the EU and NATO; the completion of the corresponding applications for membership in these structures.
    – the carrying out of comprehensive de-communisation and de-sovietisation of Belarus (?!)

    And, of course:
    – Restoration of the Belarusian Autocephalous Orthodox Church as a national alternative to the Belarusian Exarchate of the Russian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate
    – Belarusianisation of religious life for all Christian faiths and for other religions (which ones?)!

    All wrapped in the cult of ‘Belarussian heroes’ like Kastuś Kalinoŭski, a minor fighter for the “liberation all peoples of the former Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth from Russia’s occupation and conservation and promotion of the Greek-Catholic faith and Belarusian language” (i.e. “January Uprising” of 1863 aiming at the restoration of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth). He was a Polish ‘szlachcic’, BTW, Wincenty Konstanty Kalinowski.

  121. RobinG says:
    @AnonFromTN

    (On a science tangent…) aren’t you a researcher, some sort of biologist? Perhaps you know this offhand…

    How do the various countries [or companies] compare with vaccine success? Like, what was the chain of responsibility for the faulty vaccine [in Pakistan?] that caused Polio cases? And we heard the theory that a (Soviet developed?) TB vaccine might account for low Covid-19 rates in former USSR. Does Russia have a big history of vaccine programs worldwide?

    I ask because a friend did a twitter poll:
    “Who’s vaccine would you trust the most? Bill Gates? Big Pharma? China? Russia?”
    Results of 3,039 votes, 83.8% chose Russia.

    So I wondered, if we had a choice, how to make it. If the Russian shots were available here, would you line up? (Maybe I should ask your attitude about vaccines in general, lol.) Does the timing make any difference? Thanks.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @AnonFromTN
  122. @Petermx

    You: “I plan on visiting the statue erected to Bandera in Lviv where he is buried the next time I visit the city and perhaps lay some flowers there to honor him.”

    “In such a world of conflict, a world of victims and executioners, it is the job of thinking people, not to be on the side of the executioners.” – Albert Camus [emphasis mine]

    Cheers!

    • Thanks: Petermx
  123. Culpepper says:
    @anon

    Sadly I suspect you hit the nail on the head

  124. Derer says:
    @Harold Smith

    You are naively putting emphasis on superficial style instead of substance. Just wait for the moment when your corrupted Biden, who never earned money from the market place, and the DNC moronic VP choice will get into WH. I predict major American corporations will leave one after other and this country will be unrecognizable much worse than what Covid19 hype accomplished.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  125. Petermx says:
    @Zarathustra

    I don’t know how I offended Slavic people with that post. I don’r think you have seen any of the several posts I made on my impression of Minsk from when I spent 3 weeks there. I said I thought it is one of the nicest cities I have ever been to and many west European countries could learn from Minsk how to create a beautiful city. I meant what I said.

  126. HKW says:
    @Iva

    Absolutely agree. The zionist oligarch hijacked Poland under false names. None of them bears their true name; they all have changed to Polish sounding names posing as ethnic Poles and almost sold off this country entirely !!!

  127. Derer says:
    @Patagonia Man

    BTW, a survey conducted in East Germany indicates that majority were happier under the previous independent East Germany. This specific question was not about wealth or freedom but about happiness…money does not necessary brings happiness.

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  128. HKW says:
    @RadicalCenter

    I believe Lukashenko should stay.
    I admire strong leadership and will rejecting a bribe to lockdown his country.
    It takes someone with real balls to have this courage knowing full well that backlash is inevitable.
    He is true patriotic President.
    I wouldn’t trust anyone else.

  129. @Seraphim

    You said: “The ‘West’ did not renounce its centuries old dream of dismantling Russia and pushing its wretched ‘values’ on her … ”

    Totally agree with that.

    Its not just about the geopolitics, its also about The Vatican’s objective to reunite with the Orthodox Church (esp. since its coup in 1958 with the death of Pius XII, hence Vatican II & the ‘election’ of popes to serve as lightning rods for regime change operations & color revolutions in targeted countries).

    Witness PJP-II’s ‘election’ to agitate for the abolition of Central Industrialism in Poland & other Warsaw Pact nations, and more recently the ‘election’ of the Argentine Jesuit (i.e. religious militant), Pope Francis, to serve in the US’s Operation Condor 2.0 regime change operations in LatAm.

    Contributors on this site need to realize that the hopelessly compromised Vatican is every bit as integral to the Anglo-Zionist empire’s megalomaniacal ambition of World Domination – as the City of London, aka ‘The City’, and its ZOG’s of France, the UK & US (FUKUS).

    Cheers!

  130. Derer says:
    @anon

    Just wait when Biden, who never earned money from the market place but taxpayers, and his parasitic lawyer running maid will get into the WH. Major corporations will just leave US and this mess that Covid19 has caused will be nothing in comparison.

    BTW it is not far fetched idea that the Covid19 was developed in US military lab by anti-Trump fanatics and planted/blamed on China. The country is highly polarized and so are the military scientists. When Mueller, Windman/Schiff, Stormy, Cohen all failed Covid19 was the last attempt to stop Trump – vindictive bastards.

  131. Petermx says:
    @Patagonia Man

    It’s a bad situation and it’s very noticeable. Walking in many east European cities (EU member states) you notice how empty the streets often are and if you look at video clips of those same cities before 1990 you see streets with many people on them. When the EU was formed one of the ideas was to allow people to move to another country if they found a job in a foreign country and that person was filling a position that they were having trouble filling. This was altered to open borders where any EU citizen can move anywhere in the EU and I think all you have to do is notify the local authorities you will be living there now. It’s not working and something has to change.

    Also, I thought west European countries like Germany would build facilities in east Europe where wages are lower to take advantage of this fact. Instead, they built plants in China where, like the US, they have had technology lifted from them. I think Europe would be much better off if Europe kept more investment within the EU and invested more in eastern Europe for the cost advantage. Then young people would not all migrate west for the higher salaries.

    Another factor might be cultural. In the west the culture was altered in the 1960’s so many people don’t marry any more, produce less children and children out of wedlock in addition to lionizing homosexuality, lesbianism, transgenderism and everything else that was once considered a disorder. I have a feeling the east has been infected with what is known as Cultural Marxism.

  132. @Derer

    “You are naively putting emphasis on superficial style instead of substance.”

    I’m sorry if you don’t like it but the evil orange clown is a lying, mass-murdering, mentally and morally defective, Israel-first-America-last-militant-zionist-extremist – and it doesn’t get any more substantive than that.

    And anyone who votes for the satanic orange clown will share moral responsibility for whatever crimes he will commit if he gets reelected.

    “Just wait for the moment when your corrupted Biden, who never earned money from the market place, and the DNC moronic VP choice will get into WH.”

    In what sense is Biden mine, and what does Biden have to do with anything I said?

    “I predict major American corporations will leave one after other and this country will be unrecognizable much worse than what Covid19 hype accomplished.”

    Who gives a damn? Not me. The evil orange clown was the last chance to change course and he turned out to be a psychotic, psychopathic, traitorous con man. “America” is finished; it’s over with.

    • Replies: @Derer
    , @Whitewolf
  133. First, let us give Putin some credit. He’s a world class thinker, patriot and economic nationalist who totally outplayed Wall Street’s ‘boy’ Obama, the US State Department & Anglo-Zionists in the City of London in Syria, with Crimean reunification and Venezuela, etc – hence the endless Western propaganda, ad nauseum, against him. He’s in a much better position to know than we do – and will not allow the East European Plain to be used as a ‘meatgrinder’ of the Russian people again – but nor will he take the ‘bait’ and overextend his country, as that idiot Hitler did almost 80 years ago.

    With that being said, there is an elephant in this room, or should I say Dragon?

    There’s absolutely no way in the world that the Chinese are going to allow their investments in Belarus (which can be used as a springboard for exports to the more affluent W. European nations) to be sabotaged by US/European multinational corporations (MNC’s).

    Great Stone, China-Belarus Industrial Park https://youtu.be/p1j7iWyA4_I

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  134. hu_anon says:
    @FB

    You are comparing apples and oranges, pointing to the US is just whataboutism (they may be corruption in Pentagon procurements etc. but your small business won’t be visited by FBI agents demanding protection money or that you better sell it to them, or else you will go to jail for some made up offense). In Russia the “siloviki” consider themselves the “new nobility” who saved the Russian state from total collapse after 1999 (which may very well be true), they often are basically extorting protection money from businesses or just take them over. This means that there is no free market, but a mafia-run economy, which could be described as a form of feudalism. Basically there are just two political-economic systems, feudalism and capitalism, “socialism” is just a form of feudalism too, where fiefdoms are callad district Party secretariats etc. Russia’s tradition is feudalism, it never had real capitalism (just the robber ‘s capitalism of the Yeltsin years). Russian people were always serfs mentally, during the USSR too. So it is just natural that they reverted to that model, basically the same as 150 years ago.
    Of course the malcontents, intellectuals etc. who dislike this situation most are mostly non-Russians, basically Putin’s real opposition (not controlled opposition like the Communists or the nationalists) is mostly Jews, with extensive Western connections. Just look up the names appearing in any anti-Putin piece, sponsored by the Globohomo media or the US State Department etc. The majority of Russians are content with the situation as long as it doesn’t get seriously worse economically, like it did in the final decade of the USSR.

    • Troll: FB
    • Replies: @FB
    , @Alfred
  135. Miro23 says:
    @Exile

    America and NATO promised Russia in the negotiations to reunify Germany that NATO would not move east from the new German border.

    They have broken that promise ever since, yet they cry that Russia is the aggressor and imperialist.
    Belarus’s location alone makes NATO’s subversive and treacherous activity there the most significant risk for World War III in recent years.

    This is highly important from Russia’s POV – and Putin is reacting with serious rearmament.

    Then there’s also the ZioGlob/ CIA campaign targeting China (Wuhan virus, Huawei, Houston consulate shutdown, S.China Sea, trade, Hong Kong, Uyghur oppression etc.). The Chinese can see what’s going on and are consequently making their own serious efforts to upgrade their military.

    The point is, that the Russians and Chinese are reacting logically and defensively. The threats and deception are coming from the ZioGlob/CIA as the enforcement arm of the NWO. Russia and China are required to submit to NWO demands which they’re not willing to do (for instance ignoring Iran sanctions and increasingly abandoning the US dollar).

    No doubt that the NWO is orchestrating this aggression, IOW the Kissinger/Neocon team from their bases in Davos, Bilderberg & New York.

  136. anon[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @Zarathustra

    Latvians and Lithuanians are not Slavic people, their languages are of the East Baltic language group as distantly related to Russian and Polish as they are to the Germanic languages, while still being Indo-European languages. The Greek geographer Ptolemy knew of them and wrote of two Baltic tribe/nations by name, the Galindai and Sudinoi, which became the modern nations of Latvia and Lithuania. The Greeks were interested in them because they were an important source of Amber for the ancient world.

  137. Juri says:
    @Whitewolf

    Yes national guilt is bad thing. But national guilt and anti white hysteria was launched in the West with the very same bad Nazi myth. West is still in the Nazi trap. “We won the Nazis” dogma is the major obstacle to ethnically pure white country.

    “”…Are they supposed to praise the Nazis that invaded their country and killeds millions of Russians?….””

    No. Just honest admission that absolute majority of war deaths had nothing to do with Nazis. Suicidal frontal attacks, deliberate starvation, Leningrad blockade for example, 2 million executed soldiers for mostly nothing , millions died on the Gulag and so on. Yes, war time Gulag deaths thousands of miles away from German Army are also counted as Nazi victims. And those hundreds of thousands Waffen SS volunteers how lost their life fighting on German side.

    Entire Eastern Europe lived almost 4 years under those murderous Nazis so there is a lot of living memory down here and there are no memorial to Nazi victims, because there are none.

    Even Holy Hoax is in the memory hole. They pushed it in the 1990thies but angry people demanded proofs and there was so many protests that almighty Jewry gave up.

    After Hitler invasion, the Soviet Union was still the very same Soviet Union, which killed tens of millions of their own people before Hitler rose to power. In the war time, Soviets just kept their murder machine working.

    Nazi invasion was ordinary war like Russia had many times before. Like Napoleon or WW I Horrific death toll in this case was caused by Soviet Regime. So let`s quit bashing Nazis and glorifying the real murderers. There is nothing wrong with honoring fallen soldiers but it is very wrong to glorify the regime who got them killed. And without Stalin, Hitler never got the power and without Soviet support, Hitler could never build up his army.

    • Troll: FB
    • Replies: @FB
  138. Wielgus says:
    @Alfred

    All of them? Kind of like the assumption that all East European women are prostitutes, resulting in the industrial tribunal case I mentioned. In the film, the proceeds of begging she sent back home seemed to go quite a long way in Romania, but she was embarrassed by how she came by it and kept it secret. The main subject of the film was human isolation. Hanneke is quite a good director.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @Seraphim
  139. @Zarathustra

    “Your Lordship, the workers are revolting!”
    “Yes, dear James, they are. More than revolting. Disgusting.”

  140. @Derer

    “Why this naive illiterate people in Belarus opposition keep kissing West’s asses?”
    Good question.
    No doubt many still think this is all a spontaneous expression of the “people’s will”. Perhaps they are simply too STUPID to remember Ukraine. Too stupid to see how 6 years of “freedom” have destroyed the Ukraine. Perhaps they dont know that the Western VIRUS known as the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) has been supporting over 30 Belorussian organizations.
    Saker is right, Lukashenko is a sticking point. The object is to transfer power to someone who is not Lukashenko but who will also uphold an anti-empire political orientation.
    Let’s be candid here: there is no way Russia can allow Belarus to go the way of the Ukraine. It can not allow another enemy on its border. (Think Canada integrating itself into the SCO ). It can not allow another near failed state on its borders, infected with various NATO “trainers”, mercenaries etc.
    It sadly seems — at the moment — that citizens of Belarus are simply incapable of seeing beyond the “Lukashenko” obsessions.

    • Agree: Derer
  141. @Derer

    Absolutely agree with that Derer.

    Cheers!

  142. @Petermx

    Yes, all good points Petermx.

    Cheers!

    • Thanks: Petermx
  143. Alfred says:
    @Wielgus

    Hanneke is quite a good director.

    I trust your judgement.

    But the producer had to raise the money somehow. Changing the script to please the financiers is the normal approach.

    I never said that all gypsies are beggars. I said that all Romanians begging on the streets of Paris are gypsies. Look mate, I have lived in Paris for 15+ years. I know what I am talking about.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  144. G J T says:
    @vot tak

    zionazi

    This is an oxymoronic term, just like “judeo-Christian.” Using such a term betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of history, without which one cannot hope to understand anything else.

    • Troll: vot tak
  145. vot tak says:

    A useful article with a lot of info detailing the media, orgs and people behind this color rev.

    We’ve seen this playbook before: Western state-funded media is driving the narrative around Belarus protests & public is oblivious

    https://www.rt.com/russia/498634-western-media-belarus-obvious/

    [MORE]

    “Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty is, perhaps, the most noticeable media outlet in the present situation: their recognizable logo with the torch is in most protest photos being shared online. Recently, they even returned to the radio waves in a nostalgia-tinged way to avoid censorship with internet access being switched off across Belarus. In fact, it must be a sentimental time for RFE/RL: as if they’d returned to their roots, when Soviet-bashing was in its salad days, as nazi collaborators and Belarus-born anti-bolsheviks were helping the fledgling CIA radio station take its baby steps.

    Run by the US government – along with its newer sibling ‘Currenttime’ – and obligated to support its positions and objectives in times of crisis, RFE/RL has been eager to aggravate the conflict’s coverage in any way possible. For instance, this includes falsely presenting supposed Russian plans for military intervention—when, in fact, the promise Vladimir Putin made to his counterpart in Minsk, Alexander Lukashenko, was that Moscow would help Belarus out in case of “foreign military intervention.”

    The RFE/RL party line is fiercely pushed by Franak Viačorka, a foreign grant recipient, who has been monopolizing the Twitter space on Belarus. While not currently employed by RFE/RL full-time, he used to work for them and is now at the NATO and US/UK arms industry-funded Atlantic Council.

    Voice of America, another US Agency for Global Media project, as well as the German government-funded Deutsche Welle and British-bankrolled BBC, have all been covering the protests and giving ample room to the leaders of the opposition to speak out. The BBC has also been covering crackdowns on protesters and the press by law enforcement, and its own crew had been involved in a stand-off with the police.

    Poland, meanwhile, has skin in the game as well: an opposition satellite channel watched in Belarus, Belsat TV, is funded by Poland’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, with some cash injections from the UK and US governments also recorded. They are also reliably partnered with RFE/RL. Meanwhile, Euroradio has been sharing funding from Poland and the US. Like the other players, both are known for similar engagements during the Kiev Maidan.

    Meanwhile, the National Endowment for Democracy, the regime-change arm of the US government, has also plowed cash into the Belarusian opposition movement and media, both in 2019 and earlier.

    The borders between Belarusian media and the opposition have notably become blurred. For instance, TUT.BY has been Belarus’s leading opposition media for a while now. Its founder, Yury Zisser, died earlier this year. Like many others in the company, and the opposition in general, he was part of Belarus’s growing IT community. His wife Yuliya Chernavskaya, a prominent public intellectual and proponent of Belarusian “cultural nationalism,” has been placed on the coordination council of the opposition, initiated by Svetlana Tikhanovskaya, the presidential candidate now in exile in Lithuania.

    Among other members are Tatiana Marinich of BelBiz and Ales Bialiatski of Vesna, both recipients of hefty sums from the US government and themselves significant contributors to the opposition’s work throughout the years–as well as other IT folk (Another opposition leader Valery Tsepkalo, the founder of Belarus Hi-Tech Park, is a Peter Thiel-kind of a figure with a penchant for writing sci-fi.)

    The possibility of the sort of mass privatization Belarus avoided in the 1990s has, of course, brought in the free market hawks at the Financial Times: as they anticipate an ‘exciting’ capitalist reimagining of the state. The FT paints an appealing picture for the middle class but only has scorn for workers in the country’s agricultural sector.

    In addition to more conventional media, Telegram channels have become the go-to source of information. Of them, NEXTA has become the most prominent: it now boasts over two million subscribers. And yet, despite the presentation of this information source as a grassroots initiative, it is connected to foreign governments. The channel’s founder, who named it after his own online nickname Nexta (Somebody), is Stepan Chepushilo/Putilo/Svetlov, who had previously worked for Belsat (where his father, Alexander Chepushilo, is a sports commentator) and RFE/RL, and currently lives in Warsaw. NEXTA’s editor-in-chief, Roman Protasevich has a similar biography: he had worked for RFE/RL and Euroradio, and also currently resides in the Polish capital.

    NEXTA has been the protest movement’s primary source for videos of protests, police violence, as well as the emotive clips in which (former) law enforcement agents dispose of their uniforms while claiming to join protesters (the veracity of these clips is contested by some). The news of the arrival of Wagner Group mercenaries in Minsk, alleging a Russian connection, came from NEXTA, too.”

    • Thanks: FB, Alfred, Patagonia Man
  146. Seraphim says:
    @Wielgus

    All of them. All “Romanians” who beg (and steal) in all towns in Europe are Gypsies. Heard about the “Benefits Boulevard”? Check it @https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1389282/Benefits-boulevard-Built-Romania–YOUR-money.html

  147. @redmudhooch

    This country is cursed. Convinced of it more every day.

    That’s the crux of the problem. The false choice between a seventy year-old teenager and a victim of Alzheimer’s is going to be forced upon us. That’s exactly what the Deep State wants: no matter who is the figurehead, they rule.

  148. @Exile

    It is useless to be reasonable with shills. They are paid to spread globohomo-approved BS, not to be reasonable.

  149. @RobinG

    aren’t you a researcher, some sort of biologist? Perhaps you know this offhand…

    I am not a virologist or epidemiologists (both are real professions requiring skills and brains, in contrast to politics). For what it’s worth, here are my two cents.

    The main problem with coronaviruses (all of them, including flu and common cold) is that our immune response is relatively short-lived (a few months instead of many years, like with most pathogens). The people who developed registered Russian vaccine claim that they used the same trick that allowed them to develop an efficient anti-Ebola vaccine: they used two different adenoviruses (adenoviruses are notorious for inducing a huge immune response; that’s why they are all but abandoned as potential delivery system for gene therapy) encoding two different pieces of covid surface protein. This might work. In contrast, any vaccine using traditional methods won’t.

    Russia did phase III (toxicity) trial and is planning efficiency trial using >40,000 volunteers all over the world. I can’t predict the result. The only thing I am sure of is that it won’t hurt, as no toxicity was detected in Phase III. Western pharmaceuticals along with bought and paid for “scientists” and politicians keep harping that the vaccine did not go through the standard sequence of clinical trials, Phases, III, II, and I. This is true, but the same applies to annual flu vaccine: standard sequence of trials would take ~3 years or longer, while after this time the flu vaccine would become 100% useless. This does not prevent pharmaceuticals from making countless millions on flu vaccines every year.

    83.8% chose Russia.

    This does not necessarily reflect any medical considerations. This is just an extrapolation of experience: ~ 90% of globohomo (Empire and sidekicks) narratives are blatant lies, whereas Russia does not need to lie as much, as in most cases the truth is on its side. I’d say that only 10-15% of official Russian propaganda are lies, whereas in case of the US this number is in mid-nineties.

    Now (again, based on general considerations, rather than any specialized knowledge), my trust in Bill Gates and Big Pharma is exactly zero: they are in the same business as weapons companies, in the business of making money. So, just like weapons companies, they don’t give a hoot whether you live or die. Neither Russia nor China would tell you blatant lies for profit. Russia is a lot more scientifically advanced than China. So, if I had to choose a vaccine, I’d choose Russian one.

    However, I predict that pharmaceuticals would do their damnedest to make sure that Russian vaccine is not available in the US and its vassals, as that would mean loss of money for them (remember, your health is not their concern). So, if Russian vaccine is much better than the others, it would benefit Russia, its allies, and the third world, whereas the decline of the imperial circle would accelerate.

    • Thanks: Alfred
    • Replies: @FB
    , @RobinG
  150. Wielgus says:
    @Petermx

    They did have a higher standard of living than other Soviet republics, and at least in the 1990s this cut down on the Russians living there going back to Russia, even though they were now being treated as “occupiers” in the Baltic states. This situation may have changed later after Russian living standards recovered under Putin.

  151. I just cannot shake the feeling that this is a huge honeypot jointly set up by Putin and Lukašenka. I mean, those guys are not dumb – they see what is going on in the West and on their borders, with Soros acting as the pivot for ten-digit funds from Africa and the Middle East being used to sponsor the Grand Transformation, meaning deindustrialisation, mass migration, dissolution of the family by championing sexual extravagances, and re-feudalisation to the benefit of blacks and muslims, and in particular they have seen the previous “colour revolutions”. They have had six years to prepare since the Ukrainian woes began, and neither of them seems to be an idler. By now I guess Lukašenka will have most of the Sorosian ringleaders safely pent up and will be distilling lots of information from them right now – mostly pertaining to their boss-of-bosses and his network of NGOs, their internal cross-funding system, chains of command, lobby contacts, hidden structures, etc. – which will come in very handy to prevent further attempts at destabilisation in Eastern Europe. After all, these KGB guys were trained to extract int from military elite personnel, so they will not find it challenging to interrogate the kind of snowflakes who attend CEU and similar organisations because they cannot stand the competition on the normal market.

  152. @Patagonia Man

    Putin, and Russia, could have done more to prevent the destruction of Libya.

    If the West imposes sanctions on Belarus then those Chinese financed industries based there won’t be able to sell to the West anyway.

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  153. The question is this!
    Did Ukraine enter the period of renaissance that now Ukraine is under western control?
    Is there any marked increase of living standard, that could be envy of Belorussians?
    Are those young man who left Ukraine returning to Ukraine in droves?
    Did Ukraine stop any trading with Russia?
    How Ukraine is benefiting from trade with new partners?
    Anybody knows?
    Is Ukraine some remarkably positive example for Belarus?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Alfred
  154. @RobinG

    Speaking of anti-tuberculosis BCG (Bacille Calmette-Guérin) vaccine: in fact, it was developed in the US, but than the US and its vassals abandoned it (likely because pharmaceuticals could make more money on a different one). When they test for antibodies in the US, everyone who had BCG shows many-fold greater response (meaning much higher immunity) than people who got current American vaccine. 30 years ago the US physicians were puzzled, now they know that this reaction means BCG vaccine and strong immunity, not the disease.

  155. @Alfred

    My impression is that those gypsy beggars aren’t desperate the way one imagines of beggars. They are run by organised criminal syndicates where their gypsy bosses take most of what they collect and get rich investing in big properties and luxuries back home. Those gypsy “kings” pay for the transport of those beggars to western Europe. It’s just a profitable criminal activity for the few who run those gangs. Sure the beggars are kept poor because they are exploited by those who organise them and profit from their mendicancy.

    • Agree: Alfred
  156. @Zarathustra

    Is Ukraine some remarkably positive example for Belarus?

    Ukraine was a so-so country, but after 2014 color revolution it became a cesspit. It is a negative example for both Belarus and Russia. That said, both Putin and Luka cynically overuse this fact, saying to would-be protesters that their choice is either status quo, or a shithole like Ukraine. This propaganda works remarkably well.

    • Thanks: Zarathustra
  157. Kaner says:

    Maybe the Belarusian people start paging thru some of those lovely , peaceful passages in the Talmud and the Protocols to make that decision ? Or wait. Back the calendar to,uh, 1917. ? Thats a no brainer in my world. Either choose guaranteed Bolshevik Revolution 2.0 or get your shit together with your blood brothers to the east. Its not that complicated Saker

  158. FB says: • Website
    @hu_anon

    Total GARBAGE…

    Look ‘hu anon’…you’re obviously a shill for the many troll farms spreading bullshit about Russia on the internet…

    You’ve obviously never been to Russia, nor could possibly back up any of the preposterous claims you make…

    In Russia the “siloviki” consider themselves the “new nobility”…they often are basically extorting protection money from businesses or just take them over.

    I call bullshit…name one documented case where that has happened…and by ‘documented’ I don’t mean by the like of Atlantic Council or Radio Liberty…

    This means that there is no free market, but a mafia-run economy, which could be described as a form of feudalism.

    Again…complete bullshit…you really give away your crude game by employing such obvious nonsense as ‘mafia-run-economy’…again I challenge you to provide FACTS here about organized crime in Russia and how they supposedly ‘run’ the economy…

    Nothing could be further from the truth…like I already said, the US oligarchy is far more powerful in running the country than it is in Russia…many observers point out that the Russian economy is in fact far more of a ‘free market’ than the US, which is completely dominated by special interests and market manipulations on a staggering scale…and unlike your preposterous claims I can back up what I say about the ‘free market’ with objective FACTS…[not that I agree that a so-called ‘free market’ is a good thing anyway, but that is a different discussion…]

    As for ‘feudalism’…that is preposterous coming from a US where in fact people are enslaved completely by the finance industry…

    As I said already, speaking from my 20 years of firsthand knowledge of Russia, the Russian people have far more freedom from economic oppression by powerful corporate interests and financial parasites…they have universal health care; they have near universal higher education, compared to the US where higher education is out of reach for half of the population [if not more], and access to being treated fairly in the justice system…

    Russian people were always serfs mentally…

    Yeah, not quite…as already mentioned there are no greater serfs than ordinary folks in the US system…being chained to unpayable debt for a lifetime is called indentured servitude, look it up…the US has 50 year mortgages…young people trying to get a college education are saddled with a lifetime of debt right from the get-go…workers are at the whim of the corporate class and are routinely terminated for no fault of their own, but simply as ‘cost-cutting’…

    That my little troll monkey is called SERFDOM…

    i will not too that the ‘quality’ of your shilling here is quite abysmal…what are you about a grade nine education level…?

    That is not surprising, since the anti-Russia troll industry does not have a pool of very educated and intelligent job candidates to choose from…the more articulate ones are placed in more visible roles in the stinktank industry…but even here they have to recruit underwear salesmen [Elliott Higgins] because more capable people aren’t interested in disneyland as a career choice…

    And of course at the bottom of the barrel we have small retards like yourself…how much do you get paid per day or per hour…?…I hope it’s at least a living wage…

    • Agree: Zarathustra, Alfred
    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  159. Derer says:
    @HKW

    Agreed! However, remember the West will never remove the Zio yoke from Polaks only Polaks themselves can. So far, we do not hear from them.

  160. Derer says:
    @Petermx

    now with its second Jewish president in a row

    I understand…but the West will not help you to unload that yoke so why are you kissing EU asses and expelled Christian president – that has changed your fortune.

    • Replies: @Petermx
  161. Derer says:
    @Bip

    Why are you writing this stupidity about Navalny…he has 1% support in Russia and 99% in Washington. It is like insignificant vs our puppet.

  162. FB says: • Website
    @Juri

    More troll garbage here…

    After Hitler invasion, the Soviet Union was still the very same Soviet Union, which killed tens of millions of their own people before Hitler rose to power. In the war time, Soviets just kept their murder machine working.

    Nobody killed tens of millions of people…that is historical FACT that is easily proved by population records…the number of people judicially executed by Stalin is about 700,000…Isreal Shamir has written on this on this website, so I suggest you work a little harder at not exposing yourself as a bottom-feeding troll farm monkey…

    And btw…population records in the US also show a population shortfall of 10 million in the decade of the 1930s that saw the Dust Bowl catastrophe…the ordinary folks under Stalin certainly did not have it any worse than ordinary Americans kicked off their land by the millions in the 1930s…

    Dorothea Lange photo

    Read John Steinbeck’s Grapes of Wrath, or watch the movie, to see desperation and starvation of poor folks in the 1930s…

    As for Shitler…

    Nazi invasion was ordinary war like Russia had many times before.

    No, it is no ordinary war when literally millions of civilians are exterminated by deliberate starvation…

    Nazi psychopath Herbert Backe developed and implemented the Hunger Plan that envisioned death by starvation of millions of Slavic and Jewish ‘useless eaters’ following Operation Barbarossa, the 1941 invasion of the Soviet Union.

    This scumbag committed suicide in 1947 while awaiting war crimes trial…

    The objective of the Hunger Plan was to inflict deliberate mass starvation on the Slavic civilian populations under German occupation by directing all food supplies to the German home population and the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front.[7]

    The Russian people will never ever forget the bestiality of the Nazis…neither will the Poles, or any other Slavic peoples…


    Trial on the Road Film, 1971…

    The opening scene depicts a German tanker truck dumping gasoline on buried potatoes, as starving Russian peasants look on…this barbarity and far worse was repeated millions of times in Nazi occupied Russia and other Slavic lands, as part of the deliberate starvation of ordinary people…

    The film revolves around a Russian Partisan unit that seeks to sabotage a train that transports to Germany cattle and foodstuffs seized from peasants…

    The premise behind the Hunger Plan was that Germany was not self-sufficient in food supplies; to sustain the war and keep up the domestic morale it needed to obtain the food from conquered lands at any cost. It was an engineered famine, planned and implemented as an act of policy.

    Destroying millions of ordinary people is a level of psychopathy that is difficult to comprehend for mentally sound humans…and has nothing to do with war, which historically in Europe evolved with universally accepted rules of conduct going back centuries…

    Shitler shat all over European Civilization and the rules of war…

    This plan [was]…for diverting of the Ukrainian food stuffs away from central and northern Russia and redirecting them for the benefit of the invading army and the population in Germany. The plan resulted in the deaths of millions of people.[1]

    The plan as a means of mass murder was outlined in several documents, including one that became known as Göring’s Green Folder, which quoted a number of “20 to 30 million” expected Russian deaths from “military actions and crises of food supply”.

    I suppose an uneducated little greaseball like yourself, being new to this forum, imagines he can just waltz right in here and start depositing diarrhea as he pleases…?

    Well, I think I have given you a little bit of leather to chew on…

    • Agree: Jazman, Derer
    • Replies: @Juri
    , @RT
    , @HeebHunter
    , @Loup-Bouc
  163. FB says: • Website
    @AnonFromTN

    Excellent, meaty comment about real science…from a real scientist…thanks…

    Western pharmaceuticals along with bought and paid for “scientists” and politicians keep harping that the vaccine did not go through the standard sequence of clinical trials, Phases, III, II, and I.

    This is true, but the same applies to annual flu vaccine: standard sequence of trials would take ~3 years or longer, while after this time the flu vaccine would become 100% useless. This does not prevent pharmaceuticals from making countless millions on flu vaccines every year.

    This is an interesting technical tidbit I wasn’t aware of…so basically the same ‘science professionals’ screaming about the trials in Russia, actually do this all the time with the ‘flu vaccine’ [which I have never taken and will never take]…

  164. Alfred says:
    @Zarathustra

    Is Ukraine some remarkably positive example for Belarus?

    Since 2014 (Maidan Putsch), the currency of Ukraine has lost 75% of its value against the US dollar.

    In July, the governor of the Central Bank of Ukraine was forced to resign. That suggests that the 20% loss this year is about to accelerate.

    Ukrainian Central Bank Chief Resigns, Cites ‘Political Pressure’

    I have no doubt that the attempted putsch in Minsk will fail. Belarusians are smart people – they know all about the Ukrainian disaster.

    • Thanks: Zarathustra
  165. Alfred says:
    @hu_anon

    mafia-run-economy

    The Russian mafia is actually the Jewish mafia. Most of them have moved to places like London, New York and Tel Aviv. The media in the UK have stopped using the term “Russian mafia” because most people now understand their ethnicity. 🙂

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  166. Juri says:
    @FB

    You repeating the very same Soviet propaganda lies, I and the rest of Eastern Europeans heard in the school for decades.

    Collapse of the Soviet Union and current hostility against resurrecting Stalinism is the best proof that this kosher BS does not work. Eastern Europe is not US college. You can not sell evil Nazi myths down here. We know our history.

    Evil Nazi myth doomed West and when Russia start pushing evil Nazi myth, then Russia will be also doomed. Amen.

    And hail you know who. Do not let disturb you from Russia current military might. Soviet Union was much more powerful than current Russia and it went down in flames with it,s propaganda. People do not want to live in the absurd and lies. As we saw in the 1991, peoples will may be stronger than tanks and rockets and evil Nazi myth.

    • Troll: FB
  167. @Juri

    It is not a myth you moron.
    Through history of humanity invading armies lived of conquered land.
    Roman legions even immediately imposed taxes on conquered people of the land they did conquer.
    In Russia it was particularly bad because of underdeveloped agricultural technology Russians hardly produced enough food for their own population. So there was no overproduction for German army to take. So what German army took resulted in automatic starvation of several millions of people.
    It was not some bestial scheme by Germans.
    It was behavioral custom of conquering army from the times immemorial

    • Replies: @Derer
  168. FB says: • Website
    @Juri

    We know our history.

    And which ‘history’ is that TROLL MONKEY…?

    I’m guessing Ukronazi Banderistan version of ‘history’…?

    Maybe your scumbag forebears were like the Nazi collaborators shot summarily by the heroic partisans portrayed in Trial on the Road film…

    Have a good look at that film, troll monkey…your scumbag grandfather may have escaped justice, but now you fascist cockroaches are making a lot of hostile noises again…

    Will there by escaping when next time rolls around…?

    As for Russian military might, it comes from intellectual power…Russia graduates twice as many engineers as the US, despite having half the population…

    As an aerospace engineer who has done a lot of collaborative work with my Russian colleagues, I know all too well where real power comes from…

    A U.S. inspection group was shown the Avangard missile system with the hypersonic boost-glide vehicle on the territory of Russia on November 24-26, 2019.

    Nuclear Nightmare? Russia’s Avangard Hypersonic Missile Is About to Go Operational.

    • Replies: @Juri
  169. RT says:
    @FB

    Thanks for the movie.

    • Replies: @RT
  170. Above I was not exactly right that Ukrainians are fools: they are just very slow on the uptake. It took them six years to figure out what’s going on in Donbass, but many are realizing it now.

    Recent poll (August 2020) of >3,000 respondents:
    1. For special status of Donbass – 32.6%, for acknowledging that Donbass cannot be reintegrated into Ukraine in the foreseeable future – another 23.3%. For keeping the war going – 20.8% (yes, this is a pretty high percentage of idiots, but not as high as globohomo hoped).
    2. For direct talks with Donbass Republics – 50.6%, against – 39.4% (that’s even higher percentage of idiots, but not a majority).

    Looks like “You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time” is correct.

  171. @FB

    Much as I hate to say it, after 25 odd years of doing busines with Russia I agree with FB. The ’90’s was a mafia period. Basically there was no liquidity in the banking system so businesses resorted to robust debt collection methods. Such practices leaked into other parts of the system. By 2004 that had faded from ordinary business although there are still thugs around. Such thugs tend to be from minority ethnic groups and work in particular industries. Construction and associated people smuggling being one. They employ journalists to dig up muck on each other. Successful muck diggers do sometimes come to unfortunate ends mostly because they chose not to involve the Siloviki. Navalny is an example of a successful muck digger. Polonovskaya an earlier example.

    These days, if the fire department is slow in approving your application to build a hotel, you pick up the phone and report them. (It used to be a common practice by fire departments to hold back on planning approvals until the building was half way up, then refuse permission – the developers were greedy and wanted to rush too of course).

    • Thanks: FB
    • Replies: @Wielgus
  172. RT says:
    @RT

    In the seventies most people who fought and survived that hell were still alive. Most actors went through this themselves. In the movie they did not play, they lived it again. That how it truly was.
    I also recommend ” Go and see” – Иди и смотри.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @utu
  173. @Alfred

    And Volga German (by far the slickest) and Georgian and Tatar and Armenian and Chechen. Not so many Russians, Ukrainians or Mordavians.

    • Agree: Alfred
  174. Jazman says:
    @Juri

    Lot of Ukie BS better focus how to clean garbage in mani Uki cities

  175. FB says: • Website
    @RT

    Thanks, I’ll be watching that this evening…big fan of Soviet cinema…

    • Replies: @RT
  176. Derer says:
    @Harold Smith

    Why are you hallucinating about the third choice. It is simple, when you do not want Trump then any rational person would assume that you want Biden with the crazy foreigner from Jamaica or India.

  177. Derer says:
    @Zarathustra

    I hope you will not change your position on “behavioral custom of conquering” for Russia conquering Ukraine or Belarus.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  178. utu says:
    @RT

    The occupation and the so called partisan warfare in Belarus is much more complicated and certainly the official Soviet mythology is false. I had commented on it before:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-government-employee-who-may-have-saved-a-million-american-lives/?showcomments#comment-3846490

    Soviet partisans were not very effective or even concerned with fighting Germans. Their main objective was to terrorize local population by executing collaborators which in turn brought German reprisals. People in German occupied territories achieved relative stability by accepting German occupation preferring it to the Soviet rule. Villages had self defense committees equipped with weapons provided by Germans to defend against bandits and partisans. Soviet partisan warfare was waged against the civilian population not against the Germans. The Glorious Soviet Partisans did not shorten the war by one day but lead to slaughter and blood bath there. Their objective was to provoke German reprisal so Stalin could win back hearts and minds of population that abandoned him and betrayed him. Stalin decision to launch the Soviet partisan warfare is to larger extent responsible for high civilian losses of USSR.

    Sowjetische Partisanen 1941-1944: Mythos und Wirklichkeit by Bogdan Musial
    Sowjetische Partisanen in Weißrußland (Schriftenreihe Der Vierteljahrshefte Für Zeitgeschichte) (German Edition) by Bogdan Musial (Editor)

    • Troll: FB, Jazman, vot tak
    • Replies: @RT
    , @Seraphim
    , @Zarathustra
  179. RT says:
    @FB

    Since this article is about Belarus, may be the author, i.e Saker, should watch Go and see himself, because the events in the film are in Belarus – Hatin and hundreds more villages with killed and burned alive the whole population. Every forth man, woman and child in Belarus was killed by the Germans. Saker should watch this if he cannot visit Belarus himself, and then write his articles. Where is also this character Carolyn Yeager? She should watch as well.

    • Replies: @FB
  180. RT says:
    @utu

    Bogdan Musial – German historian from Polish origin, born in 1960…
    My own grandfather visited both German occupational zones and SSSR, including Belarus, shortly after the war. He made photos. He never forgot what was done to these people by the Germans.

  181. FB says: • Website
    @RT

    Thanks, Doc…

    I agree…I have decades-long friends in all the East European countries…not one person I ever met would say or even think that the Nazis were anything but beasts who had no problem with murdering little children, much less grown women and men…

    Belarus did indeed suffer incredible numbers of civilian victims, probably because there were far fewer willing collaborators as in other regions, such as the unfortunate Ukraine…let’s not forget that even Jews were often willing collaborators against their own kith and kin…including the slimebag Soros, who is still unrepentant and even unapologetic for his base treachery…

    A monster in human shape…as were all collaborators…the thing that sticks with me most, of my personal interactions with survivors of the war [going back several decades now when they were still numerous], is those who served in the partisans…each country under Nazi occupation had a robust and indomitable partisan force, starting with boys as young as fourteen, and of course many many brave gals…those stories they would tell are as vivid in my memory as if I was listening to their words right this moment…

    And the most searing tales were of dealing justice to the collaborators…they were considered unfit to breathe the air we all breathe and were dispatched without batting an eye…betrayal is indeed the deepest wound…

  182. @Derer

    “Why are you hallucinating about the third choice.”

    You’re the one “hallucinating” about “choice,” not me.

    “It is simple, when you do not want Trump then any rational person would assume that you want Biden with the crazy foreigner from Jamaica or India.”

    Your obtusity (and/or moral incompetence) is breathtaking. You still cannot grasp the point I am trying to make, or are you just pretending that you don’t?

    Let me lay it out for you as clearly as I can. In corrupt, post-constitutional “America,” where the constitution and the rule of law have been completely supplanted by the psychotic impulses of bloodthirsty psychopaths, the act of “voting” has taken on a very serious moral dimension.

    Maybe an analogy will help? Suppose you work in a sporting goods store selling guns. And suppose you get a 5% commission on every gun you sell. And suppose one day an apparently intoxicated man comes in and wants to by a gun. And suppose while he’s there he starts ranting and raving about his neighbor, and how he hates his neighbor, and how this time he’s going to settle things with his neighbor once and for all, etc. and he asks you to hurry up with the paperwork because his neighbor will soon be home from work.

    IOW it becomes clear that he intends to shoot his neighbor with the rifle that he wants you to sell to him. So what do you do? Do you sell him the gun, make your boss happy, collect a 5% commission and become an accessory to murder (or at least share moral responsibility for the crime and have it on your conscience), or do you tell him that you cannot in good conscience sell it to him under the circumstances?

    This is similar to the moral dilemma that voters in the U.S. happen to be in (whether they realize it or not). Ultimately the murder-minded customer will likely buy a gun from someone else and commit the murder (just like “America” will likely go on murdering and terrorizing people to some degree regardless of who holds the office of president) but at least YOU will have a clear conscience in that YOU did the morally proper thing, regardless of whatever anyone and everyone else does.

    I hope this clears things up.

  183. @Commentator Mike

    Mike,

    Not being a military strategist, I would contend (the strongest word I can use) that back in 2011, with the Proxy War starting in Syria – and Putin knowing he had to protect Russia’s warm water base at Tartous – that Libya would’ve been too much of a stretch for Russian forces fighting a guerilla ground war in Libya.

    Maybe he wasn’t prepared to take the risk? The way I read Putin is, he isn’t a risk taker – which also explains why he hasn’t agreed to reunify with The Donbass in spite of requests from them to do so.

    Cheers!

    • Replies: @RobinG
  184. Seraphim says:
    @utu

    Do you know of any war where desertion, defection, insubordination, collaboration with the enemy, treason do not come under martial law? A “war for the defense of the fatherland” is a war of the whole people, all population is mobilized and necessarily entails attrition, guerilla war, deception, espionage, defeatist propaganda. Destruction of logistics of the enemy is of paramount importance.

  185. @utu

    Total idiotic nonsense.

    Germans did not occupied one square inch of Soviet territory.
    German army only did pass through pushing feble Russian defenses in front of them.
    Germans did not have a manpower to leave some units behind in every stupid little village.
    It was blitzkrieg! Remember? Only very small units were left behind to guard the railways.
    These small units were attacked by partizans. Also partizans were derailing the supply trains.
    There were some convoys of supply trucks that were targets of partizans also.
    ……………………………….
    Maybe you do not know this. Russia is a big country.

  186. RobinG says:
    @Patagonia Man

    Weak comment. In 2011, the president of Russia was Medvedev, not Putin. And they certainly could have voted [at the UN] against intervention [attack!] in Libya, instead of abstaining. (China, too.)

    • Replies: @vot tak
    , @Patagonia Man
  187. Whitewolf says:
    @Wally

    I’m no Stalin fan boy by any stretch of the imagination and communism is the most stupid and evil ideology ever to be pushed on mankind in recorded history.

    Yes the Nazis could claim it was a preemptive strike against the Soviets.

    From a “Russian point of view” though it still makes zero sense to praise Hitler or the Nazis. They were on a land grab in Russian territory. The Russians fought a very bitter war to push them out costing millions of Russian lives.

    Yes I understand that the Allies fought the Axis to turn over half the world to communism. It’s not a viewpoint that’s going to be popular in Russia though. The Red Army fought well (after a poor start) against a strong opponent and it’s normal to take your own people’s side in conflicts. Something people in the west (especially Whites) seem to have forgotten.

  188. Whitewolf says:
    @Harold Smith

    Who gives a damn? Not me. The evil orange clown was the last chance to change course and he turned out to be a psychotic, psychopathic, traitorous con man. “America” is finished; it’s over with.

    Everyone should have guessed he was a con man as soon as he said he saw thousands of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating in the streets as the twin towers were burning.

    Come to think of it “radical Islam” hasn’t been an issue for a while. People weren’t really buying it so it quitely got forgotten. Now it’s “White Supremacy” that is supposedly the big danger. Any White person casting a vote for a politician talking about “White Supremacy” is an absolute moron. It’s the equivalent of Jews voting for the National Socialists in 1930’s Germany.

    • Replies: @vot tak
  189. vot tak says:

    Now that the zionazi-GAYS have wrestled their navalny tool from those evil Russian doctors, they will no doubt discover the novichuk, the po-210 and the dioxin the Russians poisoned him with. (Not to mention the kryptonite.)

    ;-D

    • LOL: Patagonia Man
  190. vot tak says:
    @RobinG

    A zionazi-gay guardianista typical spam response….

    • Thanks: Patagonia Man
  191. Juri says:
    @FB

    “””…….Maybe your scumbag forebears were like the Nazi collaborators ….”””

    My forebears were killed by Soviets before the war. Both my grandparents grew up in the orphan house. Like tens of millions others.

    “”…Have a good look at that film….”””

    I watch the real graves. Entire Eastern Europe digging out communist murder victims. Those partisans were worst filth in the human history. They killed only local people and were too afraid to attack German troops. The entire local recruitment of German Army was based on the concept that partisans are not killing us, they kill your people for fun, so this is local issue and locals must sort this thing out.

    There were only very few episodes when partisans actually hit military target. Basically like USA Antifa. How many real targets they have attacked ? Senator Scalise and maybe some more. Most of the brave anti fascist resistance is pointless violence against random people.

    Communism is everywhere the same.

    “”….Will there by escaping when next time rolls around…?….””

    Good question. The answer is that Eastern Europe must ramp up anti Russian hostility and support every last Russian enemy to avoid next time.

    • Troll: FB
    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  192. Wielgus says:
    @Philip Owen

    The thuggishness leaked into other areas. Job advertisements in Russia would frequently specify women “without inhibitions”, which was a code meaning that the employer would expect sexual servicing as part of the job.

  193. @Juri

    You are sick in the head. You suffer from delirium. Your comments are out of this word.
    I am under suspicion that you yourself do not believe your stupidities.

    • Replies: @Juri
  194. @RobinG

    I take your point about Medvedev being President in 2011.

    I was asked a question about the substantive point of Russia’s actions re: Libya, 2011.

    True, they could’ve vetoed it in the UNSC.

    I’d contend that Medvedev/Putin/Russia didn’t want to overstretch Russian forces and seeing the Syrian Proxy War developing decided to ‘keep his powder dry’ so to speak.

    Cheers!

  195. @Juri

    You repeating the very same Soviet propaganda lies, I and the rest of Eastern Europeans heard in the school for decades.

    Germans killed not only partisans but also common people especially upper class like teachers, academics , priests etc. The State of Emergency law from 1943 predicted the death penalty during its term for people who avoided donating quotas, who “illegally” slaughtered farm animals, destroyed agricultural and livestock products. The average food ration was 2,600 calories for Germans, 700 for Poles. Almost every Polish family lost relatives during the war.You don’t need any propaganda to know.

    • Replies: @Juri
    , @FB
  196. Swede says:

    I think the best option for Belarus is to orient towards and in the ens join the EU. The same goes for Ukraine. By 2050 also Russia should be part of the EU. This would mean a peaceful and powerfull Europe. A european integrated continent could become the worlds most powerfull political and economic entity.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  197. @Iva

    No one went to prison, a doctrine “we do not touch your people , you do not touch our people ” was implemented and two major parties were established to divide polish population. Just like in the US.

    According to many observers of political scene one party is directed from Berlin and the second from Washington.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  198. Juri says:
    @Zarathustra

    You know, we heard this already. When people teared down Soviet Union, then Soviets called us every last name they knew. Soviet Union went down because people rejected Big Lie and people keep rejecting it.

    Every last Soviet propaganda myth is a lie and will be. You may scream as much you want but result will be the same as Soviet propaganda machine. Deal with it.

    You Americans should learn from us and reject your big lie about good war. Getting rid from Nazi ghost makes anti immigration stance and controlling Antifa more acceptable.

    • Troll: FB
    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  199. @Juri

    And the name is Jurij not Juri. You are not Russian and not even Ukrainian. You are pretender.

  200. @Swede

    By 2050 also Russia should be part of the EU.

    That would only be possible when the EU stops being an imperial vassal. And that is only possible after the Empire crashes and burns. This may or may not happen before 2050. Humanity may or may not survive this crash.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  201. @Włodzimierz

    According to many observers of political scene one party is directed from Berlin and the second from Washington.

    Same difference. Berlin is directed from Washington. Remember how quickly the talk died down after it surfaced that Mutti’s phone was tapped by the US?

    • Replies: @Włodzimierz
  202. @AnonFromTN

    I do not feel to have a long comment.
    But 2050?
    I do not know what to call you. Optimist? pessimist?
    US is already in such a disarray that it will not remain intact, and will not survive another Democratic administration.
    I have to suggest to you to count in years, not decades.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  203. @Bip

    I knew from the very first from seeing a picture of Vladimir Putin that he had a poisonous glint in his eye. Probably had a bottle of poison in his pocket right then.

    A gentleman named Bill Browder is also suspected.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  204. Juri says:
    @Włodzimierz

    Germans killed not only partisans but also common people especially upper class like teachers, academics , priests etc.

    Do you have any objective data, how many innocent Poles was deliberately murdered by Germans ?

    Innocent does not mean communist collaborator or spy or “freedom fighter” . Who mysteriously fought for freedom in the very moment when Soviet Army advanced and needed the chaos behind the German lines.

    The State of Emergency law from 1943 predicted the death penalty during its term for people who avoided donating quotas, who “illegally” slaughtered farm animals, destroyed agricultural and livestock products.

    This is exactly why Hitler lost the war. 1918-1920 my country fought against communists similar to what Poland did with Marshal Pilsudski in charge. Our army had also problem that greedy farmers refused to support our troops with food.

    This problem was solved very easy way. If the farmer did not support anti communist fight, the farmer was transported to the front and with a small help of machine gun sent to the communist side.

    In the war there is no place for hypocrisy or double standards . If you want communism, you shall get it. One of the greatest mistakes Germany did, was not sending every anti German filth to the Stalin.

    • Troll: FB
    • Replies: @RT
    , @Włodzimierz
    , @Svigor
  205. @Zarathustra

    US is already in such a disarray that it will not remain intact, and will not survive another Democratic administration.

    What makes you think the US will have another Dem administration? That is possible only if Dems manage a massive vote fraud in November. By openly embracing bandits, murderers, robbers, looters, drug addicts, and other scum, Dems alienated pretty much all more or less decent Americans, including those who are normally disgusted with Rep policies favoring the fattest cats.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  206. @Oikeamielinen

    A gentleman named Bill Browder is also suspected.

    Bill Browder is no more gentleman than I am a Martian.

  207. @Bankotsu

    Yeah but Russia is still dealing with the fallout of Crimea… I don’t think they even have the appetite for that now.

  208. FB says: • Website
    @Włodzimierz

    Look I urge you to stop feeding the troll…

    It’s pretty obvious that this little asshole is just one of the legions of bottom feeding turds working for anti-Russian troll farms…that is so obvious I’m surprised I have to point this out to anyone…

    Just ignore him…these losers get paid those measly pennies for how much traffic they can generate…

  209. @Alfred

    Indeed Purchasing Power Parity is a better measure of the economy… It’s not perfect either – but better than simply nominal GDP. Then yes – cost of living should be factored in to know a measure of quality of life.

  210. @AnonFromTN

    You have suspiciously left out LGBTQ community. (Just kidding)

  211. Neoconned says:

    Your claim about the opposition wanting to deindustrialise Belarus is interesting….almost as if you are correctly claiming they are fronts for certain Western corporate interests….

  212. @Petermx

    It might come as a shock to you – but most German firms also have large R&D operations in China – not just production. Why? China has more STEM grads than Europe. Germans are simply pragmatic.

    • Replies: @Petermx
  213. @Derer

    ” that you want Biden with the crazy foreigner from Jamaica” Most Jamaicans are against Democratic social policies. Abortion is illegal in Jamaica and so is sodomy. Up until recently – spanking children by parents and by teachers was still legal – and yes that was because of US influence. But Kamala Harris not a product of Jamaica.

  214. PJ says:

    “…how could Russia remove this ruling class without a) major bloodshed and b) making it look like what Russia is really doing is trying to save Lukashenko?”

    One at a time. Show trials for treason. “Pour encourager les autres”

    Make sure a nice easy escape route is available (Saudi Arabia, anyone?), while attempting to capture at least some of the outgoing loot.

  215. vot tak says:
    @Whitewolf

    “Now it’s “White Supremacy” that is supposedly the big danger. Any White person casting a vote for a politician talking about “White Supremacy” is an absolute moron. It’s the equivalent of Jews voting for the National Socialists in 1930’s Germany.”

    Pure zionazi-gay propaganda disguised as something else. The thing’s specialty.

    But hey, whatever you say, shlomo, we, and by this I mean all us unfortunate non-shlomos, are merely mortals, vastly inferior to your worldly existence here to set us right. And by right, of course, I mean that “special” far right, who ran the nazis and fascists, and still do, and whose laughing pig face right now is a buggered freak affectionately known by your lot as “bibi”.

  216. vot tak says:

    Belarus is being used as ‘trampoline’ to attack Russia, Lukashenko tells RT, amid post-election crisis

    https://www.rt.com/russia/498732-lukashenko-belarus-protests-rt/

    ” Belarusian president Alexander Lukashenko says he and Vladimir Putin “agree” that the forces allegedly directing the ongoing political crisis in Belarus are aiming to attack Russia next.

    “In Russia, I often see the media saying: ‘Oh, in Belarus, in Belarus…’ But it’s happening right here, on the western border [of Russia],” Lukashenko told RT in the city of Grodno, where he spoke at a supporters’ rally on Saturday.

    “We’re being pressured, hounded. Myself and Putin have agreed that they’re hounding us here to jump on Russia later. It’s a trampoline, and we must destroy it. It’s an opinion we share with President Putin,” Lukashenko said.

    The Belarusian leader also said he had not attended pro-government rallies until now because his opponents were allegedly “preparing” to attack his supporters. “I was afraid that people would get hurt, so we took a pause. Maybe we hesitated for too long,” he said.

    “I must thank my friend Putin, who also said: ‘Listen, why are you being silent?’ I told him: ‘You’ll hear me soon.’ Well, now you’ve heard me.”

    Yup, as saker claims, Lukashenko sold out and is a western toy now. Sure…

    This isn’t the first time saker sought to denigrate those zionazia wanted neutralized. He often casted aspersions against the Donbass leaders murdered by zionazi/ukronazi special forces. For example.

    Despite saker writing objections to zionazi policies, he often reinforces their propaganda memes and policy goals. Replacing Lukashenko with a new weak ineffective omeone else is one of these goals.

  217. RT says:
    @Juri

    Oh, those greedy farmers! How dared they refuse to feed with their hard work the parasites, pardon, the “patriots”? Of course, they (and their children) deserved the machine guns, what else!

  218. Derer says:
    @Juri

    Soviet propaganda lies, I and the rest of Eastern Europeans heard in the school for decades.

    Those that taught you in school those lies are now reduced to opposition in Russia after 75 years of tyranny…ironically now are supported against Putin by the Washington ruling clique – pathetic. You are too slow and keep confusing present democracy with the communist tyranny.

  219. SveVid says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    It’s practically already over.

    All they’ve achieved is pushing Belorus back into Russia’s orbit. Lukashenko might serve out his last term as president during which he finalises the Union State with Russia and then retire.

    The same thing happened with the Hong Kong “revolution”. Instead of China establishing direct rule over HK in 2040 (as was planned), they’ve sped up the process by 20 years

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  220. Petermx says:
    @Derer

    I’m not Ukrainian.

    • Replies: @vot tak
  221. It looks like the slav(e)s are even in a worse state of mind than expected.
    No wonder why Putin has such a hard job like Stalin did. They had and have to keep up muh Marxism garbage because the average vatnik is such a subhuman, that his whole ideology revolves around being a part of an ideology made for subhuman GOYIM to be controlled by the kosher Politburo.

    I will rejoice in the fact that russia is just usa with more poverty. They have even higher abortion rate and drug abuse, and the slav(e)ic wombs are being conquered by muslim steppe nomads.

  222. @FB

    It is hilarious to hear some slav(e)ic literal boshelvik talk about “shitting all over European culture”.

    Why do Putin still bother with muh red army propaganda is beyond me. These subhumans must be purged if Russia is to return to traditions.

  223. Petermx says:
    @showmethereal

    I am aware of that. It is very unfortunate that Europe has fallen so far. Until the end of WW II Europe dominated science, engineering and technology in the world. Germany had far more Nobel Prizes than any other other country in the world, including the USA. Great Britain, France, Italy were top competitors and all of Europe was competitive. After the war Europe recovered but never returned to its traditional position of leaders of the world. Forming the EU was supposed to make Europe more competitive but I don’t think that is a top priority of Germany, France, Italy or other western European countries. When Germany admitted 2 million uneducated illiterate migrants into their country a few years ago it only hurt them and when they adopted other Cultural Marxist policies in the 1960’s that result in low birth rates so that they are now a multicultural and multiracial country, that also had a major affect on their competitiveness. It’s the same all across western Europe.

    The USA is now blowing up and anti-white hatred is openly expressed on the streets, by commentators on television and by top political candidates. Most whites are oblivious to this fact. American whites are labelled racists by their Jewish dominated media and have been neutered. They know their place. If something does not change in Europe soon, western Europe will soon resemble the USA. In some ways it already does. Some unhappy newcomers to Germany call the Germans that welcomed them into their country “NAZIS”.

  224. @AnonFromTN

    I think US government is directing many countries policies or at least pushing it in expected direction.
    Some kind of surprise for me was Lithuanian government activity in case of Belarus – almost completely ignored by The Saker. In my opinion Lithuania rarely do something without German consent or support. Some links about Lithuania activity:

    https://www.urm.lt/default/ru/news/zaaablenie-mid-po-pobodu-polozheniaa-b-respuvlike-belarus-j
    https://www.interfax.ru/world/720071
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-belarus-election-lithuania/lithuania-says-russian-military-help-in-belarus-would-mean-an-invasion-idUSKCN25D0VM
    https://news.tut.by/world/697352.html


    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-belarus-election-usa/belarus-opposition-leader-to-meet-no-2-us-diplomat-on-monday-idUSKBN25I0I2

    Please compare info from all links with sentence from the article:

    The clueless Balts also want to join the Rzeczpospolita for a very simple reasons: they are terrified that the West will eventually dump them and they know that by themselves they will never achieve anything. So as much as the Poles like to hide behind the US, the Balts like to hide behind Poland

    They don’t hide behind Poland, their “source of courage” is completely from other direction.
    No – they don’t want to join Rzeczpospolita, probably they are afraid they will be lost among Polish nation. It is separate issue to discuss. If they think that Germany or US will help them in any war scenario they are deeply mistaken. Only real military force that can act in this region from NATO is Polish and some US aviation or intelligence – nothing more – since everything else is + 14 or + 28 days of reaction even in NATO plans. I hope Belarus will survive the storm for good of us all.

  225. Lukashenko exposed the Globalist Coronavirus Hoax by revealing the attempt by the World Bank to bribe Belarus into following the Lockdown protocol…100 other countries had their debt suspended (forgiven) or were paid by the World Bank to do this very thing. Lukashenko made public his rejection of their offer…and now there are protests and calls for regime change!

  226. @Juri

    The biggest mass grave is Warsaw itself. Wola district massacre – minimum 30 000 of innocent unarmed civilians between 5 and 7 august of 1944.

    I hope it is only your lack of knowledge where to find it.
    http://straty.pl/pl/starty-osobowe/137-centrum
    https://www.icrc.org/en/document/international-tracing-service-and-icrc

    • Replies: @FB
    , @HeebHunter
  227. FB says: • Website
    @Włodzimierz

    Once again, you are *INVITING* a troll to speak here…unbelievable…

    • Replies: @Włodzimierz
    , @vot tak
  228. Svigor says:
    @Whitewolf

    Good questions. First thing that springs to mind is the dissident framework; I want regime change in my own country, so I’m fine with shitting on what I see as its anti-nationalist, anti-White recent history (short version, yankee-judean leftist hegemony, followed by jevvish leftist hegemony more recently.). I suppose how Russian ETHNOnationalists feel about a similar approach depends upon how they feel about their current regime.

    Speaking about a hypothetical situation where I was living under an autochthonous ethnonationalist regime that was at least “good enough,” I still think I would be fine with revising the narrative. It would be a sort of anti-counter-revolutionary measure; “we will never go back to the bad old days, when Uncle Schlomo forced us to fight Uncle Adolf on behalf of jevvish bankers,” etc. That isn’t remotely anti-nationalist. Somebody on another thread here tried that “oh you’re anti-nationalist because you’re anti-[shitty-ZOG policy here]” and I laughed in his face; no, I’m not falling for this jevvish/cuckservative bullshit – highlighting how low my country has/had sunk, the need for it to throw off the jevvish yoke, is nationalist, not anti-nationalist. Pretending this multicult ZOG cesspool is a good ethnonationalist )))white((( state is so anti-nationalist it’s off the scale.

    It’s important for ethnonationalists to be honest; it allows us to form reality-based assessments and policies, and to build strong legitimacy with our target audience, in sharp contrast with our (((enemies))).

  229. Smith says:

    So the riots/protests seem to have calmed down, it’s a good news.

    Still, I find it strange that there is no complaint about police brutality here, like the G. Floyd case, from FB and vot tak, I guess police brutality only matters on particular countries.

  230. Svigor says:
    @Whitewolf

    “Constant denigrating” well, it should be targeted. If it’s legit, and obviously motivated by ethnopatriotism, I say go for it.

    “Trash on your soldiers” again, it depends. Are we talking about, e.g., a specific unit that was led by some evil jevv to do evil things? Sure, I’d use that as propaganda. But just shitting on my own soldiers, routinely and as a general thing? Probably not. If you’re genuinely new to this stuff, maybe read some American WNism to see how it’s done? We generally approach the subject with a lot of respect for our White ancestors. We don’t just trash them willy-nilly.

    Yes, I’m sure praising Nazis is problematic in Russian circles. There is a limit to the amount of honesty one wants to engage in, lol. Even if we accepted for the purposes of argument that the Nazis were the good guys and the Soviets were the bad guys, it wouldn’t be a great idea for Russian ethnopatriots to make that a big part of their rhetoric, for obvious reasons.

    And the truth is, even if the Nazis were the good guys and the Soviets the bad, you don’t let foreigners just up and invade your country. You repel them. Ethnopatriots know this as well as anyone.

    (My general take is that the Nazis, despite their flaws (hypernationalism) were doing God’s work and the Soviets were another ZOG puppet; I don’t blame Russians for losing the revolution to the Bolshevik swine)

    I suppose each man should let his own conscience and knowledge be his guides. E.g., I shit all over (the worst parts of) what I see as yankees’ bogus sense of their own glorious history. In many cases, where they see glory, I see shit. And I tell them so. And I also tell White ethnopatriot yankees that they should, at the very least, shut their fucking yaps about their stupid “yankees good guys confederates bad guys” narrative, which, frankly, White ethnopatriots have no business believing or propagating; these guys simply have not fully committed to the White ethnopatriot cause, and need to shit or get off the pot – they think they get to have their cake and eat it, too, but they’re wrong.

  231. The program of the opposition (they call it “Reanimation package of reforms for Belarus”) is simple: new “fair” elections followed by the following goals: Belarus must withdrawn from all the collective agreements she has with Russia (including the union state, the SCO, etc.). Instead, the national goal ought to be, what else, to join NATO and the EU. All the Russian military forces in Belarus must be expelled. The Belarusian language must be reimposed, Ukie-style, on the Belarusian society (including, apparently, the military – good luck with that!). Russian organizations will be banned in Belarus, and Russian TV channels forbidden. The border with Russia must be closed. Next, a new, independent “Belarusian Orthodox Church” must be created.

    And?

    What’s wrong with that?

    • Replies: @Svigor
  232. @FB

    Do you have any objective data, how many innocent Poles was deliberately murdered by Germans ?

    Such ignorant sentence by Juri gave me no other option left…Case closed.

    • Replies: @FB
  233. FB says: • Website
    @Włodzimierz

    And this troll is simply going to come back and say that those killed were partisans or communists etc…

    The Nazis would simply exterminate an entire village so that partisans could not have a support base among the local population…

    That’s much easier than actually trying to find and engage partisans in battle…

    Look, this asshole *claims* that he is East European, which is obviously a troll bullshit line. He’s not, I guarantee you that.

    Besides, it’s pretty obvious from his rabid anti-Russia comments that his goal is simply a troll *vector* for spewing anti-Russia agitation…

    This poor idiot is working for a tiny tiny amount of money that these troll farms pay…there is a good chance he is a prisoner in the US prison system, where these troll farms employ recruits…just like the telemarketing industry…

    So it doesn’t matter how many facts you bring to light to some dirtball sitting at a computer in state prison…he doesn’t know and he doesn’t care…

    Like I said already, this is the bottom tier of the anti-Russia propaganda machine that includes all of the stinktanks and the MSM and many politicians…

    This is a big industry, but they are losing badly because you cannot fight the truth with bullshit…truth wins every time…

    But these trolls depend entirely on triggering responses from people, so the only way to shut them down is to simply not engage them…it’s difficult sometimes, but there is no other way…

    • Replies: @yurivku
    , @Włodzimierz
  234. @Zarathustra

    I doubt if Finland is providing any direct aid to Estonia. I have never seen any such indication.

    Finland does have a very corrupt foreign aid system but the money is directed to Africa with local heroes bilking most of it before it reaches any needy parties. Of course, the Euro Union is costing Finland billions and some of that money may be channeled to the Baltic countries.

  235. Svigor says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    (((“fishy names”))), LOL.

    He’s asking rhetorical questions, of course, but the answer is:

    To delay )))The Day of the Rope(((.

    describing perfectly openly

    He’s obviously hostile to the “owners” he’s describing, so it’s a good thing that he’s so open about it, and has that freedom.

  236. Svigor says:
    @Juri

    It’s funny – if you jevvgle for “Soviet mass graves” you get a Wikipedia page with a list as the top result, but “Nazi mass graves” won’t get you one. In fact, I can’t find such a page on Wikipedia at all!

    It’s funny how the fucking Soviets pulled hundreds of thousands of victims of Soviet genocide out of mass graves, but nobody’s ever pulled anybody out of Nazi mass graves. The closest they ever got was pinning the Soviet mass graves of Katyn on the Germans, but the Germans fixed that by calling in international observers and launching a big investigation.

    )))L…O…L.(((

    Crazy how siiiiiiiiiix milllionz joooooz just disappeared into thin air, without so much as a river with higher lime concentrations to show for their bodies. Amazing! A miracle, itz!

    To anyone who knows nothing of the shoah business, did you know that the story of the Einsatzgruppen (a few hundred people, btw) is that they murdered and buried like 1500 people a day (all year long throughout WW2, winter included) AND then months later dug them all up and burned the corpses, leaving no trace whatsoever, not even teeth or bone fragments (they ground them up with their perfidious nazi grinder machines)? Great story bro!

    • Agree: HeebHunter
    • Replies: @Petermx
    , @HeebHunter
  237. Svigor says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Nothing at all, (((my brother)))! (((The plan))), itz!

    LOL.

    • LOL: FB
  238. Meimou says:
    @ploni almoni

    Only a cuck would be this defensive about the orange clown.

    If you need to worship someone, worship Allah, Christ or Tom Cruse. They will never let you down, they will never betray you.

    You won’t look like a weak sheep if you do either. A bonus.

  239. @SveVid

    Lukashenko kept in power with Russian resources will result in the common people of Belarus shifting to a wholly NATO stance. Putin has probably learned that lesson from Ukraine even if you haven’t.

  240. Petermx says:
    @Svigor

    Germany also pulled about 15,000 Poles murdered by the Soviets (a Russian Jew ordered the massacre) at Katyn (Smolensk) when German troops discovered the mass grave in 1943. Germany invited international observers to participate in the crime investigation, including from countries she was at war with. Great Britain, the US and others refused to send observers but other countries did. Thousands of graves were dug up as part of the crime investigation. Autopsies were done. The cause of death was clear for many victims. A bullet hole in the skull. The grave was found in Soviet occupied Poland from when the USSR attacked Poland a short time after Germany had. Until at least 1991 when the Soviets admitted culpability, the blame was often pinned on the Germans, as was everything else that was wrong and done during WW II.

    Germany produced a lengthy documentary (or what Hollywood Jews call “NAZI propaganda”) on the atrocity for the world to see. Here is a short clip of the documentary. To this day, Youtube, Google and maybe WW II allied countries in general apparently don’t want this professionally done crime investigation to be seen. I’m not sure a copy of the complete film exists on the internet or maybe Google (founded and owned by two Russian born Jews) just don’t want you to see it.

    https://archive.org/details/1943-Im-Wald-von-Katyn

    By contrast, not one professionally done crime scene investigation was done to prove the so-called holocaust. Often Jewish groups opposed an investigation, saying digging up Jewish graves was against their religion, a desecration or whatever. That would explain this amazing fact. With the more than 75 years of absolute certainty on the part of the accusers of “NAZI” massacres of Jews by gassing, not one Jew was ever found to have been gassed by Germans during WW II. Not one autopsy was ever done to prove the accusation. But this is not very surprising when you consider the words of the American judge conducting the Nuremberg trials in 1945-46. He said the trials were a continuation of the war effort and the court did not have to prove “known facts”, which is exactly the purpose of a court, to prove “facts”.

    This is a remarkable speech by the English historian in 1988 on the origins of the “holocaust”. I will comment that since then, Mr. Irving has formed a slightly different opinion. Most people don’t know this, but the story of Auschwitz has more or less fallen on its face. Even the historians that agree that mass gassing took place there disagree exactly where they took place. Mr. Irving now believes the holocaust took place in a completely different location – the Reinhard Camps.

    https://altcensored.com/watch?v=d6rgYx_TLlQ

    • Agree: HeebHunter
    • Troll: vot tak
    • Replies: @FB
    , @HeebHunter
  241. FB says: • Website
    @Petermx

    Oh yeah…the mighty Katyn massacre…the Shitler fanboys and various anti-Russia dirtballs will be milking that one for all eternity…

    Compared to the unimaginable vastness of the Nazi crimes in Poland and Russia, with millions of innocent civilians exterminated [not soldiers like in Katyn]…Katyn is a drop in the ocean…

    Not to mention FIVE MILLION Russian soldiers starved to death by the Nazi beasts…

    Eventually the Nazis did pay a heavy price, losing about 11 million all told, almost all of them at the hands of the Russians…and had the Russians not been in such a forgiving mood it could [and by all rights should] have been much much worse…

    • Troll: Petermx
    • Replies: @Jazman
  242. vot tak says:
    @Petermx

    Of course not, shlomo. 😀

  243. vot tak says:
    @FB

    That is how guardianista websayanim work at site comment sections. They reinforce each other’s trolling.

  244. RobinG says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Very, very interesting, thank you.

    Regarding the next phase (“using >40,000 volunteers all over the world”), is there a standard amount of time, after vaccination, that they calculate whether it’s effective? Maybe that varies according to rate of infection in the general public. And of course, they need volunteers who will interact with potential virus carriers, not those of us hiding under beds due to age or infirmity, lol. Nevertheless, I wonder if we (Americans) can participate. That might create some drama. 😉

  245. Jazman says:
    @FB

    I am very disappointed what Poland become . Soviet Union lost 600.000 soldiers to liberate Poland it does not matter what happened after or if they ” suffered ” during Communism . SU saved them as a nation . Here is one document about Katyn massacre https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/research/furr_katyn_preprint_0813.pdf

    • LOL: Petermx, Philip Owen
    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
    , @yurivku
  246. @Włodzimierz

    innocent unarmed civilians

    So what is it? I thought there were only traitors or brave partisans?

    Don’t worry though, only red subhumans like you and the rapidly degenerating cuckservatives believe this.
    For me personally, this means as much as the Holohoax. I wish it happened for real.

    • Replies: @Włodzimierz
  247. @Petermx

    Don’t bother with these subhuman boshelviks.
    You are likely talking to some pot bellied, unkempt turkic nomad proud of the USSR.

  248. @Svigor

    Such amusing irony is why we are having three tankie shills/LARPers working in tandem in this thread and actually telling people to watch “come and see” as view it as irrefutable historical fact.

    Might as well adding “schindlers list” to it.
    They are so oblivious to their clumsiness. They probably think this is their village where they can call upon the AIDS stricken, drug addicted boys to beat people up.

  249. @Jazman

    “I am very disappointed what Poland become.”

    Poland was always a Jesuit & Anglo-Zionist City of London project (if you know about ‘The City’) to play the role of wedge between Protestant Germany and Orthodox Russia.

    The Jesuits (i.e. religious militants) and zionists have worked hand-in-hand down thru the centuries to reel back in kingdoms/regions/countries that were ‘lost’ to Orthodoxy or Protestantism – and, of course, to weaken any union of countries that could pose a threat to French-UK-US’s economic, diplomatic & military hegemony.

    No one really ought to be surprised/disappointed with that the country’s elites leverage the Polish victim mentality to be playing the role of spoiler.

    There’s no better example of this than how the UK ‘lent on’ Poland to resist all attempts by Hitler at a peaceful resolution of the persecution of ethnic Germans in Danzig before September 1939.

    Its a bit like the animal fable of the frog and the scorpion. It was in the scorpion’s nature.

    Cheers

    • Replies: @Włodzimierz
    , @Philip Owen
  250. yurivku says:
    @FB

    Look, this asshole *claims* that he is East European, which is obviously a troll bullshit line. He’s not, I guarantee you that.

    Why not? There were lots of Eastern Europeans fighting on Hitler side incuding Slavs – Chechz, Slovaks, Bulgarians, Croats, Ukrainans and Belorussians…
    In Belorussia they were a few.
    So he can be the descendant of some nazy scum. He certainly is. I guarantee you that.

    • Replies: @Włodzimierz
  251. yurivku says:
    @Jazman

    I am very disappointed what Poland become

    It always was a “hyena of Europe”. Actually Poland is one of the main reason of WW2.
    Katyn is one more fake story. But even if not it’s just nothing compared with are losses.

    • Agree: Jazman
    • Replies: @Jazman
  252. @FB

    Probably sometimes it is the best way not to answer. Still – it is difficult to pass by every cynical comment or just ordinary lie here without a response.

  253. @HeebHunter

    Yes that is main problem here – “you thought”. Put some effort on education instead of extensive thinking.

  254. @Patagonia Man

    Poland was always a Jesuit & Anglo-Zionist City of London project

    If you write something – please be precise at least . Poland did not appear on the map after Luther’s birthday. It is not about mentality – it is the problem that you nazi lovers have. It is about the truth you can not accept. Like the truth that Russia was on the same side with France and UK during the I World War. Another Polish- Jesuit plot?

    There’s no better example of this than how the UK ‘lent on’ Poland to resist all attempts by Hitler at a peaceful resolution of the persecution of ethnic Germans in Danzig before September 1939.

    Do you mean the same free city of Danzig drove by SS-Brigadeführer Arthur Greiser between 23.11.1934 -23.08.1939 and Gauleiter Albert Maria Forster later on?

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  255. Concerning Katin massacre.
    Katin massacre sound to me fishy particularly from German side.
    Point
    Massacre was clandestine operation at hidden place. So how that hidden place (accidentally?) was discovered by Germans. That does require an answer!
    Point
    If Germans discovered the grave yard and did the excavations how come from the decaying bodies and clothing did not establish at least the approximate time of the massacre. (Germans are known for their pedantry.)
    Point
    According to discovery all deceased were Polish military officers. 22 thousand of them.
    22 thousand officers lead at minimum 220 thousand army unit. That is about 11 divisions of Polish
    army. So the question is which side German or Russians did capture eleven Polish divisions.
    Point
    What did happen to soldiers of these divisions?
    These are only few points that are without answer. There must be many more.
    …………………………………………………………………………………….
    So I am inclined to believe that all Katin massacre is only big BS Naci propaganda by Goebbels.

    • Replies: @Włodzimierz
  256. @Patagonia Man

    Precisely wrong. Romanov Russia was a plot of newly formed Great Britain to stop Poland becoming a new Roman Catholic empire like Spain in the South. Other protestants like the Swedes joined in. Without Scottish Officers and English guns and money, Russia would be Roman Catholic now. Orthodox bishops actually consecrated Anglican bishops at some earlier stage.

    Now why Patagonia? Chubut valley?

    • LOL: AltanBakshi
    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  257. @Philip Owen

    Silly thing.
    England policies did change only the aim and purpose never did change.
    England was terrified of one emerging dominating power in Europe creating European empire.
    So England was always working to keep European powers in balance.
    In a way England to the certain extent actually contributed to keep Europe at peace.

    • LOL: AltanBakshi
    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  258. @yurivku

    In order to bind the Polish highlanders from “Podhale” more strongly with the occupation authorities, in November 1939 the Germans decided to organize a highlander company as part of the 8th SS “Totenkopf” regiment ( commander SS-Oberführer Leo von Jena), which was being formed in Krakow at that time. Two inhabitants of Podhale could be recruited, and this result discouraged the SS apparatus from making similar attempts for over two years.

    After Katyń case appeared – as far as I know only one Polish officer send a letter to German authorities. Level of German atrocities in Poland was so high that to be a Polish volunteer in German army was a total disgrace.

    • Replies: @vot tak
  259. Jazman says:
    @yurivku

    Every single idiot from Poland I had discussion is like answering machine copy paste crap . All of them mentioning SU and Germany military parade in city I forgot the name maybe Brest I am not sure . More intelligent one told me openly yes Germans killed us more but they apologize so now they can lick their ass . I think you mentioned in one your comments Poles Ukis Croats and others are traitors . Their countries are like chihuahuas barking

    • Replies: @yurivku
  260. @Zarathustra

    Correct. The creation of Romanov Russia was an early success of the policy except it was no longer just England but Britain.

    • Thanks: Zarathustra
    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  261. vot tak says:

    Ah, gee, israel’s butt plugs “discovered” poison in their pet, right on schedule:

    German clinical investigation suggests Moscow protest leader Alexei Navalny was poisoned – hospital statement

    https://www.rt.com/russia/498893-german-clinical-investigation-suggests-moscow/

    Obviously now nordstream 2 will have to be scrapped and replaced with israeli occupied east Med energy sources.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
    , @vot tak
  262. vot tak says:
    @Włodzimierz

    “Level of German atrocities in Poland was so high that to be a Polish volunteer in German army was a total disgrace.”

    But not now. Now being a quisling of nazis is considered a special example of the superior white race. ;-D Though, the purveyors of this nonsense still worship the ultimate rightwing existence: subservience to israel and its zionazi-gay freakshow.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
    • Replies: @Włodzimierz
  263. @vot tak

    I am certain that Navalny was poisoned! By himself!!!!

  264. vot tak says:
    @vot tak

    ‘We found no cholinesterase inhibitors in Navalny’s blood’: Omsk’s chief toxicologist comments on statement from Berlin’s Charite

    https://www.rt.com/russia/498928-omsk-doctors-cholinesterase-navalny/

    “When Alexey Navalny was admitted to the in-patient clinic, he was examined for a wide range of narcotics, synthetic substances, psychedelic drugs and medical substances, including cholinesterase inhibitors. The result was negative,” said Sabayev, chief of the acute poisoning unit at the Omsk emergency care hospital where Navalny was treated before being airlifted to Germany.

    “Besides, he did not have a clinical picture, specific for poisoning with substances from the group of cholinesterase inhibitors,” Sabayev, who is also the top toxicologist in the Omsk Region and the Siberian Federal District, added. “As was already said earlier, we are ready to share with our German colleagues samples of Alexey Navalny’s biomaterial for their comprehensive study.”

  265. @vot tak

    Idea to be “a nazi kind of man” has very limited chance to live in Poland. Nevertheless when I am watching some of the comments here, I can clearly see nazi stupidity has no limits.

    Regarding current pro US and pro Israeli government in Poland that is different story. Many PIS ( ruling party ) voters have no idea that in reality they also voted for robbing their own country ( after ACT 447 signed in US Congress ). It is a clear path to be second or even third class citizen in own country.

    It is even more complicated with LGBT and PIS – they claim to be a party of mainly catholic voters. Such party should be in direct opposition to such ideology and yet PIS allows it to spread. LGBT activists are growing stronger with support from abroad.
    https://twitter.com/USEmbassyWarsaw/status/1274252461105188864/photo/1
    https://twitter.com/AmbassadorKnott/status/1273910763959341057/photo/1
    https://zyciestolicy.com.pl/obrzydliwa-prowokacja-lgbt-na-godzinie-w/

  266. @Zarathustra

    I appreciate your effort in asking logical questions. There were not only officers in Katyn, also policemen, lower ranks soldiers ( non-com ) and border guards.

    This case is rather closed – there are several official statements made by Russian authorities ( from different years ) confirming Soviet responsibility in that crime including one quite recent:
    On May 7, 2010, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said in an interview with Izvestia that Katyn was an example of falsifying history. He spoke out in favor of presenting the truth about the Katyn massacre to Russians and foreign citizens who are interested in it.

    Having said that I must point out one important thing. Katyn was during the war a German propaganda tool used only to divide allies. Some obvious example how it works you can see in the comments.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
    , @Zarathustra
    , @yurivku
  267. Cyrano says:
    @Włodzimierz

    Let me venture a guess why the Katyn massacre happened. Soviet authorities simply didn’t know what to do whit the captured Polish officers. If they tried to use them as part of the Soviet army, the Polish might have claimed later that they made significant contribution to their liberation – to the point of actually liberating Poland on their own – which would have been complete nonsense of course.

    Although, it’s very doubtful whether the captured Polish military personnel would have agreed to fight for the Soviets. So there were not too many options left for the Soviet authorities, except maybe to gulagize the Polish captives.

    The whole situation is absurd. Polish volunteers fought for the British army, hoping that their contribution, once the war is over, will be considered as a proof that Poland was part of the winning alliance and thus deserves independence.

    No love lost between Poland and USSR. Poland fought for the British, ended up being liberated by USSR, didn’t feel any gratitude towards the Russians, because they felt that their liberation was collateral accomplishment. Which is true, Poland was only collateral beneficiary of the war between the Nazis and USSR, but still the Russians deserve more credit, than GB – for whom Polish volunteers fought.

    If it was up to GB to liberate Poland, they’ll still be under German occupation. Basically, the Katyin forest happened because USSR was rightly concerned that if those Polish officers were left alive they would have claimed disproportionate credit for liberating Poland, to the point of demanding independence, which is something that they wouldn’t have deserved based on their contribution in the fight against the Nazis. .

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Włodzimierz
  268. Ron Unz says:
    @Cyrano

    Let me venture a guess why the Katyn massacre happened. Soviet authorities simply didn’t know what to do whit the captured Polish officers.

    Actually, last year I came across a very interesting possible explanation of the Katyn massacre, and especially why it happened when it did, many months after their initial captivity.

    Although Western historians have expunged it from the record, it’s very solidly documented that Britain and France were planning a massive attack against the USSR during Spring 1940, including destruction of the Baku oil fields by the largest strategic bombing offensive in world history, and probably a substantial ground attack via Scandinavia. Overthrowing the regime may have been one of the goals. The project was called Operation Pike.

    Under those circumstances, Stalin may have become especially nervous about holding tens of thousands of (strongly anti-Soviet) Polish officers, who might prove a major liability if matters took a turn for the worse, so he decided to eliminate them.

    I discussed the whole matter at the beginning of one of my articles:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-how-hitler-saved-the-allies/

    • Disagree: Zarathustra
    • Replies: @Cyrano
  269. Cyrano says:
    @Ron Unz

    That’s sounds like a plausible explanation too. I remember your article about it from last year, and I think I wrote a comment on it too. I still think that the Polish are blowing the whole thing out of proportion. They benefited from the Soviet largesse more than they suffered from some ill will, even if the Soviet benevolence toward Poland was unintentional.

  270. @Włodzimierz

    So Medvedev did not say anything.
    But if you are interested to unravel the mystery, we can do it if you give me an answer to few of my questions.

    • Replies: @Włodzimierz
  271. @Włodzimierz

    Yes Włodzimierz, I see your objection to my use of the word ‘always’. I meant it in the sense of inevitability, not in the sense of the entirety of Poland’s history. I was not suggesting that Poland was created as a project for that purpose I specified. It was a sloppy use of language on my part.

    You: “it is the problem that you nazi lovers have.”

    Just because I point out British and French betrayal of Poland (Czechia, Bulgaria, Greece, Hungary, Romania, the Baltics, Finland and Yugoslavia – but that’s a whole other story!) – doesn’t make me a NSDAP “lover”. (The term ‘Nazi” btw, was a pejorative used by the Allies).

    You: “Like the truth that Russia was on the same side with France and UK during the I World War.” is a non-sequitur. So, I’m not answering that.

    My larger point stands: that throughout history, the Vatican (specifically the Jesuits aka ‘Soldiers of God’, i.e., religious militants) and zionists (who took control of the UK with the establishment of the William & Mary of the (Dutch) House of Orange in 1688 and establishment of the central banks of England and Scotland (1694, 1695) cooperate for their respective geopolitical ambitions.

    So what is this truth I “can not accept.” ???

    Are you not familiar with term ‘Western Betrayal’? Or the term ‘Perfidious Albion’?

    Is it not the truth:

    – that after WWI, Germany was unfairly treated by the Treaty of Versailles’ terms, creating the conditions for the Second War?

    – that at least as early as 1938, FDR gave personal assurances to Churchill & Daladier that the US would assist them if either were attacked?

    – of Churchill’s words

    “Germany shall have her war … “

    and when asked how will Britain win the war answered:

    “I’ll drag the Americans in …”

    ?

    – that following the Munich Agreement – although not even part of the agreement – hypocritical Poland was an active participant in the German partition of Czechoslovakia (which served as reasoning for the Slovak state joining the subsequent German invasion of Poland)?

    – that in May 1939, Poland signed a secret protocol to the 1921 Franco-Polish Military Alliance (given France & Poland surround Germany to the east & west)?

    – that by the Polish–British Naval Agreement in Operation Peking, the Polish Navy were seconded by Britain in mid-1939? What message might that have given the Reich?

    – that on 2 August 1939 the UK finally agreed to grant Poland a military loan of £9 million although Poland had asked for £60 million?

    that with the Soviet annexation of E. Poland by 6 October 1939 the raison d’être for the war was effectively null and void – which begs the question why did the war drag on another 6 yrs?

    – that following the total annexation of Poland, came the ‘Phoney War’ from 3 Sept 1939 – May 1940 (the only military activity was French troops temporarily invading the Saar and then retreating)?

    – that in spite of alliances with both UK & France, Poland awaited support that never eventuated?

    – that Poland was offered what is known as false hope, being seen as dispensable, since Allied leaders sacrificed Polish people, property, borders, sovereign government (and even after the war) free elections for future peace between the West and the USSR?

    In summary:

    Backed by the US, it was the ZOG’s of UK & France who set Poland up as a sacrificial lamb and continually betrayed it time and time again. Its not just the unmitigated gall of the total ingratitude of Poland’s ruling elites that disgusts most people – its also that they want to blame their liberators, the former USSR and now Russia! Today, having learnt nothing from the past, Poland even hosts US-NATO troops and missile bases on its soil. Has the Polish people absolutely no sense of self-preservation? Or is the country so hopelessly compromised by certain ethno-religious 5th columnists that it is prevented from pursuing its own historical destiny?

    I sincerely hope you search the term ‘Perfidious Albion‘ to see the treachery with which Poland in particular (and other central & E. European nations) have been treated by the West.

    Finally, re: Danzig even if it was a false flag, it resulted from the Poles refusing any of Hitler’s proposals – at the insistence of the Brits.

    Cheers!

    • Replies: @Włodzimierz
  272. @Philip Owen

    Philip,

    Although there were certainly intrigues in the Russian court centering around exclusive trading rights with the Kingdom of England, that the Romanov dynasty starting 1613 was a “plot” or a project of England is a bit of stretch don’t you think?

    And when you say ” it was no longer just England but Britain” are you referring to the personal union of James VI & I or the (political) Act of Union 1707 under Queen Anne?

    Cheers!

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  273. yurivku says:
    @Włodzimierz

    On May 7, 2010, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said in an interview with Izvestia that Katyn was an example of falsifying history

    Medvedev and some other “Russian” liberasts often are saying what they think helps to get goog relations with West, poor dummies. Katyn is a clear fake which has lots of confirmatins.
    Look here if you wish https://mpsh.ru/16418-katyn.html use Google translator.

    But I won’t try tp persuade you and others for it make no sense, just as trying to refute fakes of Litvinenko, MH17, Skripal and now Navalny. Especially for Poles who even not willing to recognise their guilt in WW2 starting and disgusting behaviour to their liberators’ graves.
    But there were Germans who killed Poles in Katyn.

    My grandfather ended war in Berlin, after that he about year was serving in East Germany and West Poland. He told that poles were very rude and violent to German POWs in differense from Russians,
    You can say about German atrocities – yes, but nobody suffered from those more than Russians.

    And we see it now, Polish tops licking US’s ass and Polish people pouring dirt to those who saved them. Don’t expect love from us then.

    • Replies: @Włodzimierz
  274. @Cyrano

    Yes. There were many reasons including something similar you mentioned in your comment.

    – NKVD was entrusted with the care of prisoners- contrary to international law as military command responsibility.
    – Too high level of patriotism of prisoners meaning minimal chance to “convert” them in anyway. The NKVD pointed out that despite the captivity, there was a patriotic mood in the camps. Such an attitude was considered by authorities extremely threatening.
    – The NKVD had extreme problems with such a large number of prisoners. There was even an idea to set them free just because of it.
    Personality of Beria who aimed to liquidate prisoners and proposed it to Stalin mixed with lack of respect for human life, especially the “hostile element” class.
    – German influence on solving the problem of Polish intelligentsia as a long-standing obstacle to germanization.

    Poland was only collateral beneficiary of the war between the Nazis and USSR, but still the Russians deserve more credit, than GB – for whom Polish volunteers fought.

    Estimated number of Allied soldiers:

    1. Soviet Union – 11,4 millions
    2. USA – 10 millions (3 millions at Europe).
    3. Great Britain – 6,4 millions with colonials
    4. China- Kuomintang at least 4,6 millions
    5. France- 1,25 millions
    6. Canada – 810 thousands.
    7. Yugoslavia – 800 thousands.
    8. Poland – 370 thousands eastern front, 210 thousands western front. ( 0,9-1 million during 1939 campaign ) and Home Army around 200 thousands but only 15-20% properly equipped
    9. Australia – 500 thousands.

    Poland was only on victor’s side but Poland lost the war. . Country was completely devastated. Poland lost millions of citizens. Complete disaster. Russian ( Soviet Union ) effort everybody can see in the number one point. It is so obvious like the fact that people of Eastern Europe suffered the most during the war.

  275. @Zarathustra

    President Medvedev confirmed Stalin responsibility. You can find it also here in this interview made by RT around 2.40 minute:

  276. @Patagonia Man

    You: “it is the problem that you nazi lovers have.”

    Just because I point out British and French betrayal of Poland (Czechia, Bulgaria, Greece, Hungary, Romania, the Baltics, Finland and Yugoslavia – but that’s a whole other story!) – doesn’t make me a NSDAP “lover”. (The term ‘Nazi” btw, was a pejorative used by the Allies).

    I have to admit that it was too general note and should not be personally aimed at you. It was a description of people who praised H. Himmler “freedom day speeches” in conquered Poland.

    My larger point stands: that throughout history, the Vatican (specifically the Jesuits aka ‘Soldiers of God’, i.e., religious militants) and zionists (who took control of the UK with the establishment of the William & Mary of the (Dutch) House of Orange in 1688 and establishment of the central banks of England and Scotland (1694, 1695) cooperate for their respective geopolitical ambitions.

    That is difficult for me to comment since I don’t know any Jesuit related data concerning that matter.

    Are you not familiar with term ‘Western Betrayal’? Or the term ‘Perfidious Albion’?

    In my opinion Poland was lured into the war by British guarantee and diplomatic negations before it was officially announced. Poland shouldn’t believe in any such guarantee from Britain and France in the first place. Czech had a Locarno treaty signed with France before Munich and they were sold to gain some time for war preparations.

    Is it not the truth:

    – that after WWI, Germany was unfairly treated by the Treaty of Versailles’ terms, creating the conditions for the Second War?

    We may say so, still Hungary lost even more territory than Germany after the Trianon treaty and we do not hear somehow about Hungarians starting the war, do we? Really , so rightful Germans started the war even without declaring it , so according to international law it was some kind of bandit style attack on Poland.

    – that following the Munich Agreement – although not even part of the agreement – hypocritical Poland was an active participant in the German partition of Czechoslovakia (which served as reasoning for the Slovak state joining the subsequent German invasion of Poland)?

    They wanted to reclaim lost territory during Polish-Soviet war in 1920 taken by Czechoslovakia. This clear mistake was a reason for “hyena” invented by our “fellow” Churchill. Polish interest was in keeping Treaty of Versailles alive. More than this – Poland lost its chance of war on better conditions with Czech as an ally.

    Backed by the US, it was the ZOG’s of UK & France who set Poland up as a sacrificial lamb and continually betrayed it time and time again. Its not just the unmitigated gall of the total ingratitude of Poland’s ruling elites that disgusts most people – its also that they want to blame their liberators, the former USSR and now Russia! Today, having learnt nothing from the past, Poland even hosts US-NATO troops and missile bases on its soil. Has the Polish people absolutely no sense of self-preservation? Or is the country so hopelessly compromised by certain ethno-religious 5th columnists that it is prevented from pursuing its own historical destiny?

    I sincerely hope you search the term ‘Perfidious Albion‘ to see the treachery with which Poland in particular (and other central & E. European nations) have been treated by the West.

    We must distinguish between nations and governments. Many people – not only in Poland – are quite effectively influenced by propaganda from every corner. The Polish elites are under influence of US, Israel and Germany. Press and websites are mostly owned by German companies. TV is controlled by government or US owners. Maybe 10% of population is interested to limit foreign influence on the politics since the most of them just don’t know what is happening !

    Russia does not make any territorial, property or legal claims against Poland (such claims are brought by completely different countries, sometimes even very distant ones).

    Nevertheless if you want to survive and be independent you have to build your own well equipped army. Thinking that few thousands of NATO troops will manage to defend Poland is total crap.

    Regards

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  277. The main point here is that in 1920 Pilsudski did attack Soviet union and he went all the way and took Kiev.

  278. @yurivku

    Medvedev and some other “Russian” liberasts often are saying what they think helps to get goog relations with West, poor dummies. Katyn is a clear fake which has lots of confirmatins.

    So it seems not only Polish have a problem with politicians.

    My grandfather ended war in Berlin, after that he about year was serving in East Germany and West Poland. He told that poles were very rude and violent to German POWs in differense from Russians,

    If they were from the Gestapo or SS unit than it is no surprise for me.

    You can say about German atrocities – yes, but nobody suffered from those more than Russians.

    Rather all nations of Soviet union, but I don’t see any problem here between us.

    And we see it now, Polish tops licking US’s ass and Polish people pouring dirt to those who saved them. Don’t expect love from us then.

    To be precise rather Polish politicians only. You are probably referring to the memorials of Soviet soldiers. My home town – such monument still standing and it is in good condition.
    I don’t expect love – but I would like to see us respecting each other.

    • Replies: @yurivku
  279. O. K.
    Medvedev is a moron and for my surprise it took Putin long time to figure it out.
    And get rid of him.
    It was at peak of the time to claim “beast” Stalin for everything and case is closed.
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    So lets assume Katin massacre was done by Russians. (It was a Russian way with captives.)
    So why then when all Paulus army surrendered at Stalingrad Russians did not massacred then but they did cloth them and they did fed them. After all it was deep in Russian territory nobody would do any excavations. After bestiality Germans have committed in Stalingrad they had more reason to do it than kill the Polish.
    ………………………..
    We cannot resolve “who done it” unless we understand the scenario how these officers become captives of Russian. Otherwise it is only worthless blabbing.
    We all know that Polish army seriously under performed against German Army.
    The rumor is that Polish post offices and voluntary resisting citizens did cause more damage to German Army (11 thousand German soldiers dead) than Polish army.
    So The Polish army has retreated until Russian border then the army command decided to dissolve the units. Told soldiers to put on civilian clothes and blend into population.
    ……………………….
    Than the command structure of Polish army continued into Russian territory and become captives of Russians. Than Russians did slaughter them.
    ………………………………………………………………………….
    Seems plausible scenario.
    …………………………………………
    There is only one problem with this scenario.
    Russians would always figure as savior for these people who were “creme de la creme” of Polish society and Russian would have a chance to reeducate them as Communists which cold well serve them when Poland would be liberated.

    • Replies: @RT
  280. RT says:
    @Zarathustra

    there is one question that bothers me. Germans held the teritory around Smolensk (Katyn is several kilometers from Smolensk) since the summer of 1941, but discovered the mass graves of Polish atrocities in the spring of 1943 ( after Stalingrad fiasco). Why not earlier?

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  281. @RT

    I am absolutely certain that Germans did it. All I have to consider the old Romans “who gained.”
    Russians had no chance to gain anything. Germans did.
    Your point is extremely important. one of the proofs that Germans did it.
    After Stalingrad Germans did know that they lost the war. The discovery after Stalingrad it means that advancing Russian army would eventually discover the Katin massacre. So the so called discovery was preemptive propagandist move to try to blame Russians. ( Looks like that preemptive propagandist move did survive to this day in the lightweight minds of certain people.)
    Plus there is this Russian mentality not assign importance to events of the past. Russian saying “chuj s nim is not much help in this case.

    • Replies: @Petermx
    , @RT
    , @yurivku
  282. Petermx says:
    @Zarathustra

    You are either a liar or completely ignorant on the matter. The USSR admitted they carried out the massacre at Katyn in 1991 already after lying about it and blaming it on Germany for over 45 years. President Putin says the USSR did it. Here is the Russian government run news site RT reporting on President Putin meeting with the Polish leader in 2010, saying the USSR carried out the massacre but the Russian people can’t be blamed.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/katyn-poloes-massacre/

    The USSR was the bloodiest and most brutal regime of mass murderers in world history until China was spawned with the same ideology. When Germany invaded the USSR, millions of citizens of that nightmare country welcomed the Germans as liberators from hell, thanking them, giving the troops flowers, warm welcomes and kisses. In Latvia and Estonia the Latvian and Estonian legions were formed and those countries soldiers fought as part of the Waffen SS. In Lvov, Minsk and other towns and cities in Ukraine and Belarus large numbers of Slavs welcomed the Germans as liberators from the Judeo-Boleshevik hell known as the USSR. In Russia too, people sometimes welcomed the Germans as liberators and appreciated German help in re-building their homes.

    Before WW II began in 1939 the USSR had brutally murdered tens of millions of Soviet citizens, Russians, Ukrainians and others. By contrast, Germany had little crime and little violence before the war. The most infamous event was Kristalnacht in 1938 when Germans rioted after a Polish Jew murdered a German diplomat and 84 Jews were killed. Bu contrast, tens of millions of Soviet citizens were murdered by their own government, a government dominated by Jews after they murdered the Czar and his family and established a government that would benefit them, outlawing Christianity and criticism of Jews (aka anti-Semitism). The USSR was the only country in which millions of its own people welcomed their invaders as liberators. By contrast, no Germans welcomed the Russians, British, Americans or anyone else as liberators.

    When the Soviets entered eastern Europe they were feared by everyone. They committed the most brutal atrocities against Germans, gang raping 2 million German women, being encouraged to rape and murder by the Jew Ilya Ehrenburg in radio broadcasts and newspaper articles. But other east European women were victims too. Even some people released from concentration camps joined the retreating Germans rather than welcome their “liberators”.

    Germany was defending itself and all of Europe against the bloody Bolsheviks. Great Britain and France did not join the USSR out of admiration of that nightmare country. The British leader Churchill was being paid large sums of money to attack Germany by Jews and in the USA the Jews dominated the mass media and did to Germany then what they have done to Trump since 2016. The Polish ambassador to the US wrote several times to his superiors in Warsaw on how the Jews are pushing the US to attack Germany. It had nothing to do with the USSR being a good country. Don’t make me laugh.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  283. RT says:
    @Zarathustra

    I am not certain of anything here. However, more facts and questions:
    The mass grave in Kosogory, Katyn near Smolensk was found by Germans in the spring of 1943.
    Total of 2730 bodies were exhumed. Later Soviet comission in October 1943 when Smolensk region was liberated, exhumed in the presence of international representatives total of 4421 bodies, some of them women.
    The bodies exhumed by the Germans were in full uniform (some winter, some summer) , with officer insignia, ID documents, and medals. NKVD (KGB ) left on arrested only clothes, nothing elese, even belts.
    In the grave and in the pockets of the corpses were found letters, postal cards, and gold coins of 2 zlota, which were issued after 08 of May, 1940, i.e. after these people were killed by the Soviets. Also newspapers.
    All of them were killed by a single shot in the head. The shells in the grave were from cartridges produced by: German Gustav Genshow& Co – 7.65, Deutsches Waffen und Munition Fabriken, Sellier&Bellot, Praga, and Italian Glisendi. NKVD used TT, and for those familiar, a shot in the head with TT would not have left a head.
    The grave was just 500 meters from the NKVD resort sanatorium, which was used by the Germans as well from the summer of 1943 to 1942. It seems no one minded the smell.
    A telegram, dated May 15,1943 from ambassador O. O’Mally to the British ForeignMinister A. Eden :”…corpses were accurately … in rows of 9-12 with their heads in opposite direction.As if for a photograph.” Very accurate people, those NKVD.

    The notes from pesonal old notebook: “The locals say that many of the arrested by the Soviets Polish military man and policemen were not evacuated and thus they were captured by the Germans, together with many Soviet soldiers as well. Those were used to build the roads and the bunker Barenhohle, and were seen marching in columns to work in 1941 -1942. Then the Germans killed them.”

    • Replies: @yurivku
  284. @Petermx

    You are brainwashed retard who does not understand anything.
    So let me teach you something.
    Politicians are like women. Women do not care whatsoever if they are telling the truth or lie they say what they think is most beneficial to them.
    For Russians it does not mean anything to go along the lie about Katin. They do go along the lie not to upset Germans. After all the guilt is on Stalin whom every Russian did disown.
    For Russians the only important factor to have a friendly relation with Germans and sell them Gas and other energies. Living standard of Russian people is overwhelmingly more important for Russian politicians than anything else.
    For you to understand neither Putin or other Russian politicians do not give a hut about Katin.
    Did you have a moment in argument when you said ……..whatever!!!
    That is the attitude of Russian politicians!

    • Troll: Petermx
  285. @Włodzimierz

    Thank you Włodzimierz for your detailed response.

    Totally agree with your : “We must distinguish between nations and governments.”

    It is my firm belief that the Polish people were very badly betrayed by their ruling elites.

    There were some decisions made by the UK during the war & at Yalta where the Poles werent even consulted – as you probably already know.

    Kind regards!

    • Replies: @Włodzimierz
    , @yurivku
  286. yurivku says:
    @Włodzimierz

    I don’t expect love – but I would like to see us respecting each other.

    I’ll begin from the end – ya, I respect you for being the very 1st Pole who starting not from fake accusations and silly requirements. But not the Poland and her people for being stupid, vile and ungrateful. Now they show it in Belarus also.
    I beleive you’re not living in Poland seeing your English and time of posting.

    So it seems not only Polish have a problem with politicians.

    Of course not, to be clear I’m not Putin’s worshipper, he’s a watchdog of oligarchy and had lots of 5th column people in his goverment. BUT, we not setting our nose in other countries affairs, not trying initiate coups around world as AngloSaxons and their stooges like Poland do.

    You are probably referring to the memorials of Soviet soldiers. My home town – such monument still standing and it is in good condition.

    look here:

    https://yandex.ru/images/search?text=%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%20%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BC%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%20%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BC%20%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BC%20%D0%B2%20%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%88%D0%B5&stype=image&lr=213&source=wiz

    I don’t see any problem here between us.

    It’s a pity, but I see big problem between us. And you seem to be normal man capable to comprehend what’s going on. Say why your country stupidly trying to initiate WW3 where it’ll be eliminated completely in first order?

    • Replies: @Włodzimierz
  287. yurivku says:
    @Zarathustra

    I am absolutely certain that Germans did it.

    So do I and there are lots of provements, I could’ve shown them, but they are in Russian. For clear reasons nobody is ready to translate those.

    • Thanks: Zarathustra
  288. yurivku says:
    @RT

    Thanx. Exactly.
    I do not understand only why

    I am not certain of anything here.

    you gave enough provements.

    As Zarathustra rightfully mentioned – Russins had no habit to kill POWs, instead we do feed and warming them. I, personaly, think it is wrong behavior, for those saved later trying to bite again, but it’s our way of living.

    • Replies: @RT
  289. RT says:
    @yurivku

    I am not certain, for example, that all of the bodies belong to Polish nationals. Only 60% of them were identified as Polish officers and I know of 175 identified, who later have identified themselves to be very much alive.
    The captured Polish oficers, soldiers, policemans, and gendarmeries were between 125 000 and 150 000. The majority of soldiers were released immediately, 25 115 were send to the army of Anders as per their wish . They were transferred by the Western allies later via Iran to Italy and thrown first against Germans at Monte Cassino, Ancona and Bologna where Anders army was almost totally destroyed.
    73 000 of the Polish POW joined the division Tadeusz Kosciuczko in the Soviet army and later became the backbone of the Vojsko Polsko.
    Of the Polish arrested by the Soviets, 1 320 in Kosogory were sentenced to death penalty for their participation of killing 100 000 Russian POWs in 1920 and the terror on local Belarus and Russian population during Polish occupation of the region. Their names, documented sentences and graves are known and those are not in the mass grave of Katyn.

    • Thanks: yurivku
  290. @Patagonia Man

    No problem. It was necessary to make it longer to present a wider perspective. It was also a pleasure to have open and friendly discussion. I think many nations have similar problems with ruling elites. EU bureaucracy for example – they managed to separate from their nations and probably the only thing they are good at – is printing the “fiat money”. BLM case is even more horrified thing.

    I think Poland needs to avoid unnecessary engagement in this dangerous times and build its own strength. Some time ago Sweden was interested to enter some kind of political alliance but our stupid US focused politicians didn’t care about it. Sweden has quite modern military industry and they are very reasonable.
    Yalta you mentioned is also example for Belarus people as a valuable lesson from history. If something bad happens in their country they will not decide same way they used to about the way of their life.

    Best regards

    • Thanks: Patagonia Man
  291. @yurivku

    I live in Poland but I travel from time to time also. I think most of Polish citizens are not interested in Belarus in reality, they are rather concerned their everyday life. Maybe there is some part of them who support some “change” in Belarus but they are mostly people who expect some benefits in the future: like politicians or media owners.

    Regarding the monuments of dead soldiers. I have heard about agreement from probably 1994( ? ) between Poland and Russia. Unfortunately I don’t know the details. In my opinion every monument that contains ashes of the dead soldiers should be treated with proper respect, especially that for some Polish soldiers they were brothers in arms. I know that few years ago some perpetrator destroyed a memory board on the monument I told you before. Local authorities repaired it for their own expense.

    Poland, as well as Russia, is part of the great game between China and the US. The US forces all ( or at least try ) to take their side in the conflict with China. It is so easy job since Polish government is doing everything they want. For now, it is an economic conflict … What is happening in Belarus is next part of this game. The US probably wants to somehow force Russia to join this anti-Chinese coalition. I just hope they won’t manage to throw you and us under the bus. Sometimes I think if they manage to cut China off raw materials supply ( like they did to Japan in 1941 ), China might do something really unexpected.

    Best regards

    • Replies: @yurivku
    , @Cyrano
    , @Zarathustra
  292. @Patagonia Man

    I am referring to the personal union after which the term Great Britain came into use. The Act of Union led to the United Kingdom. The Scottish officers and English guns and money were quite seperate ventures towards the same end. Shortly before, there had been an intervention by English footsoldiers in a joint brigade with the French. They were more of less wiped out by Polish heavy cavalry. A few survivors took part in the attack on Polish occupied Moscow.

    • Thanks: Patagonia Man
  293. yurivku says:
    @Włodzimierz

    I know that few years ago some perpetrator destroyed a memory board on the monument I told you before. Local authorities repaired it for their own expense.

    You must be blind. I’ve sent you dozens pics of memorial fully destroed/demolished. Look again.

    Poland, as well as Russia, is part of the great game between China and the US. The US forces all ( or at least try ) to take their side in the conflict with China.

    Up to this point I considered you’re clever man. Tell this to you grandchildren, but grown up people understand what for US troops are near Russian border. And never mind, Poland with all these troops will be destroyed 1st in case US/NATO made wrong step.

    • Replies: @Włodzimierz
  294. yurivku says:
    @Patagonia Man

    Totally agree with your : “We must distinguish between nations and governments.”

    It’s very comfortable statements – we’re not guilty it’s goverment/jews/russians/whoever did it.
    Yes, we have to distinguish, but still people are guily – they created and supported their goverments.
    It’s like to blame cockroaches for spoiling your life instead of dirt you’ve created.

    “Every nation deserves the goverment it has” – it’s still true.

  295. @yurivku

    Your answer is forcing to review step by step every picture, it is not easy since it is in Russian language and time consuming. This one picture I could not find on any website
    https://www.vesti.ru/article/1643079
    This monument:
    https://pobedarf.ru/2020/01/15/8496793467am/
    https://www.tvp.info/37815907/pomnik-czterech-spiacych-trafi-do-muzeum
    https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomnik_Braterstwa_Broni_w_Warszawie
    in 2018 was donated to the Museum of Polish History in Warsaw. The sculptures of soldiers to be placed in the part of the exhibition devoted to the Polish People’s Republic ( PRL in Polish ) in the new seat of the museum in the Citadel. It is something different to call it destruction. Still such actions shall be discussed according to this treaty from 1994 – Polish authorities should respect its conditions.

    Up to this point I considered you’re clever man. Tell this to you grandchildren, but grown up people understand what for US troops are near Russian border. And never mind, Poland with all these troops will be destroyed 1st in case US/NATO made wrong step.

    Do you think that Russia is not negotiating with the US and is not playing this game ? I can understand that foreign army next to your doorstep is not a pleasant view and could be threat but to have it in your own home is even more unpleasant. I have not seen any common people warm welcoming these troops here. There is at least 30-40% of population that is against their presence from the start- so according to presented logic are they also responsible?
    Don’t bother too much what you can see only on the news on both sides of the border. Not everything is true.

    Bets Regards

  296. Cyrano says:
    @Włodzimierz

    Poland, as well as Russia, is part of the great game between China and the US.

    Russia doesn’t play second fiddle to anyone. That’s Poland’s role throughout history. ‘Smatter of fact you don’t have talent to play even second fiddle. You’re probably good enough to play maybe sixth or seventh fiddle at best.

    • Replies: @Włodzimierz
  297. @Włodzimierz

    Katin is just bad luck for Pol;and. (That plane with Polish visitors.)
    Lets just leave it at that!

    • Replies: @Włodzimierz
  298. @Zarathustra

    It was not me who brought up the Katyn issue here – see number 244.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  299. @Cyrano

    You are perfectly right that Poland is today in the other league.
    21 place?
    https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp

    Our golden age was long ago, around 1550-1650. However, the Russians themselves celebrate День народного единства – a Russian public holiday celebrated on November 4 on the anniversary of the recapture of the Moscow Kremlin in 1612.
    It even surprises me a bit, the more that Napoleon conquered Moscow and I personally think that it was more dangerous case for Russia, and yet this is not officially celebrated by the Russians same way?

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  300. @Włodzimierz

    Jup he is a typical troublemaker,

  301. Cyrano says:
    @Włodzimierz

    It’s not only about military power, Wlodzimierz, it’s about the overall impact on civilization – cultural, scientific and historical impact.

    Poland has never been in the same league with Russia. Let me explain the difference in attitude between these 2 countries.

    Poland has always aspired to be part of something great – part of Western civilization, Catholic Church, now NATO, and EU.

    Russia doesn’t have to aspire to be part of something great – Russia IS something great. Too bad that Poland doesn’t aspire to be part of that greatness, to which you have close genetic ties– instead of the alien and hostile to the Slavs greatness that you constantly seek to allay yourselves with. Doesn’t say much for you as people, particularly as Slavs.

  302. @Cyrano

    Poland is great also.

    • Thanks: Włodzimierz
    • Replies: @yurivku
  303. I am afraid that the author of this article about Belarus as a new Banderastan did not even mention Kaliningrad and Suwalki corridor.

    The main idea of the article can be summed up as follows: both the West and Russia wish to get rid of Lukashenko, they are fighting for the influence on Belarus opposition.

  304. Anywhere in the West if you win an election with ( 50 + 1 )% irrespective of voter turnout you are considered a legitimate winner. Lukashenko has won the lection in Belarus but his margin is not as what it used to be.

  305. “Simply put: if Lukashenko wants to remain in power he has only one option – beg for Putin’s mercy, not publicly, of course, be most emphatically and as sincerely as he can pretend to be.”

    Western MSM mistakenly interprets Lukashenko as “Putin’s man”. Actually, Lukashenko has seriously criticized Putin. Western people usually do not know this. And they do not know what exactly is the content of Lukashenko’s critical remarks.

    The present paper has been written from the viewpoint of Russia’s interests. It has been admitted that Lukashenko has criticized Putin’s politics. But, again, it has not been revealed here what did Lukashenko actually say.

    The author of the present paper writes that Lukashenko has insulted Putin and Russians and that he has to apologize.

    It is the rhetoric of military power.
    Lukashenko does not have to apologize. Russia occupied and annexed Crimea. Lukashenko was right to notice that it makes the neighbours of Russia very anxious.

    Lukashenko does not need to apologize that he is the leader of a sovereign country.

  306. @Cyrano

    Certainly, from a religious point of view, Poland has always been part of Latin culture. We simply owe a lot to the Catholic Church. Creation of a state from a group of tribes, securing it from the side of the Germans advancing from the west. Likewise, during the partitions, the Church was a tool of integration for Poles.
    That Latin Europe divided into parts. The EU was supposed to be a project of “Europe of homelands” and became an economic tool mainly for Germany. Worse, it also becomes a “cultural” project far from what Poles generally accept. Not only Poles, but also Czechs, Hungarians etc.

    Russia doesn’t have to aspire to be part of something great – Russia IS something great. Too bad that Poland doesn’t aspire to be part of that greatness, to which you have close genetic ties– instead of the alien and hostile to the Slavs greatness that you constantly seek to allay yourselves with. Doesn’t say much for you as people, particularly as Slavs.

    Historically, two times there was a chance for such a union. The first was when Władysław IV was to become the Tsar of Russia but his father was against his conversion to Orthodoxy and the second when the Tsar of Russia was also the King of Poland. In the second case, the main problem was that the rest of the native Polish lands were not within the borders of this union state.

    Today first, we must have a government that will realize Polish interests, not foreign ones. Secondly, normal relations with Russia, Belarus and Ukraine must be restored. In the case of Russia and Belarus, trade relations must be rebuilt. Nothing builds relationships better as successful economic cooperation. For example, we have reasonably good radar technology and you have very good missile systems. We could cooperate in this regard – some bold idea for today. Unfortunately, nothing happens right away.

  307. As long as there is no war in Europe against Russia there is no serious problem that now cannot be worked out. Only troublemaker is US foreign policy, but now US is collapsing slowly.
    The times in Europe under German leadership will be getting only better.

  308. yurivku says:
    @Zarathustra

    Poland is great also.

    Oh yes, it’s great looser who not able to learn history lessons. It’s great lier and great traitor too.

  309. yurivku says:
    @Cyrano

    you put it perfectly, thank you

  310. Loup-Bouc says:
    @FB

    FB:

    This note comes late. I had not encountered your comment until a few minutes ago (2 September 2020 at about 11:40 AM Pacific Time). I hope this note reaches you.

    You are one of the three best commenters I have encountered at Unz Review. Responding to a Ron Unz attempt of impeaching your credibility, you said “Not that I care what a ‘Ron Unz’ thinks about my credibility….” The attempted impeachment occurred under John-Paul Leonard’s toxic trash article “Or Did George Floyd Die of a Drug Overdose?,” https://www.unz.com/article/or-did-george-floyd-die-of-a-drug-overdose/ Your reply occurred in your comment of June 29, 2020 at 5:02 pm GMT (comment # 592).

    Your credibility matters. Your comments provide sense that fights a flood of raw sewage (both too many toxic dreck articles published here and hundreds of times more frequent poisonous dross comments).

    [MORE]

    Mr. Unz is the Yahweh of this journal. His credibility stands on worship. So, he can render outrageous and dangerous falsehoods, even flagrantly invalid “statistics,” and earn loud applause and ever-increasing adulation.

    But you are a blasphemer. Your credibility is always ripe for submission to the tablet stone of sacrifice.

    RE: Mr. Unz’s falsehoods, see, e.g.,
    * my comments posted under Ron Unz’s article “Race and Crime in America,” https://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/
    * AND under John-Paul Leonard’s article “Or Did George Floyd Die of a Drug Overdose?,” https://www.unz.com/article/or-did-george-floyd-die-of-a-drug-overdose/
    my comments of June 28, 2020 at 1:48 am GMT (comment # 533) and June 28, 2020 at 2:59 pm GMT (comment # 546)
    * AND under Fred Reed’s article “Her Name Is Breonna Taylor,” https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/
    my comment of June 10, 2020 at 2:12 am GMT (comment # 401)
    * AND under Mike Whitney’s article “CODENAME: Operation Virus Identification 2019; the Elitist Plan to Remake Society,” https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/codename-operation-virus-identification-2019-the-elitist-plan-to-remake-society/ my comment of August 19, 2020 at 1:26 am GMT (comment # 267)
    * AND under Eric Striker’s article “Jewish Brilliance: Synthetic Like Zirconia,” https://www.unz.com/estriker/jewish-brilliance-synthetic-like-zirconia/#comment-3685359 my comment of January 28, 2020 at 10:46 pm GMT (comment # 102), which refutes Mr. Unz’s article “American Pravda: Oddities of the Jewish Religion,” https://unz.com/runz/american-pravda-oddities-of-the-jewish-religion — that article’s egregiously fallacious use of Ariel Toaff, “BLOOD PASSOVER: The Jews of Europe and Ritual Murder” (2007 translation per Gian Marco Lucchese & Pietro Gianetti available at http://israelshamir.net/BLOODPASSOVER.pdf [For details, see this comment’s close, which quotes part of my refutation of Mr. Unz’s “Oddities of the Jewish Religion” article.]

    Under the same above-cited John-Paul Leonard article, Mr. Unz attempted to impeach your representations of the number affected by the U.S. famine of the 1930s. See Mr. Unz’s comment of June 29, 2020 at 4:17 pm GMT (comment # 589).

    I defended your actual representations concerning that famine. See (1) my comment of June 29, 2020 at 5:01 pm GMT (comment # 591) and (2) my comment of July 5, 2020 at 12:05 am GMT (comment # 686) — posted under the same above-cited John-Paul Leonard article. Your representations were essentially correct. Mr. Unz’s “refutation” bore a quality that paralleled the “substances” of the Democrat House’s impeachment of Trump and the Senate Democrats’ character-assassination of then Judge Kavanaugh (when Trump nominated Kavanaugh for a Supreme Court slot).

    But, truly, your numbers did exaggerate somewhat the demographics of the famine’s consequences. And in this instance, they exaggerate a bit the numbers affected by the Nazi-planned Eastern European Slav-Holodomor.

    Your exaggerations, however relatively minor and analytically insignificant, render your credibility susceptible to typical vicious Unz Review commenter attack because of one of Unz Review’s raisons d’être, the immensely greater and more significant Zionist exaggeration of the magnitude of the Holocaust and the near-outrageous Zionist mis-attribution of the causes and sources and of the many-too-many murders of European Jews.

    Below follows part of my refutation of Mr. Unz’s “Oddities of the Jewish Religion” article:

    In his article “American Pravda: Oddities of the Jewish Religion,” Mr. Ron Unz asserts (at least suggests strenuously) that ACTUALLY medieval and renaissance Jews kidnaped and committed ritual murders of Christian boys to sacrifice them to Jaweh and drink their blood or use their blood to make Passover matzah balls. Mr. Unz cites and purports to rely on Ariel Toaff, “BLOOD PASSOVER: The Jews of Europe and Ritual Murder” (2007 translation per Gian Marco Lucchese & Pietro Gianetti available at http://israelshamir.net/BLOODPASSOVER.pdf

    In the “FOREWORD BY ORIGINAL TRANSLATORS” of Areal Toaff’s “BLOOD PASSOVER,” the Original Translators (Gian Marco Lucchese and Pietro Gianetti, both anti-Semites) assert that, according to Toaff:
    * Jews kidnapped and castrated Christian boys on a large scale and sold them into slavery in Islamic Spain for centuries;
    * Jews used [and still use?] human blood in all sorts of quack remedies, despite the Biblical prohibition, even for minor complaints;
    *Jews used [and still use?] Christian human blood in their matzoh balls at Passover;
    * Jews used [and still use?] Christian human blood in their wine at Passover;
    * the blood had to be from Christian boys no more than 7 years of age;
    * the blood had [has?] to be certified kosher by a rabbi;
    * there was [is?] a large and profitable trade in fake blood products and animal blood, which was [are?] unsuitable to the purpose;
    * Christians tried to sell the blood of Christian boys to Jews, but were rejected because the Jews feared it was animal blood

    The translators’ FOREWORD adds that Toaff said “no Christian boys were ever killed to obtain the blood. Never, never! Or hardly ever. It all came from “voluntary donors”! Then the translators’ FOREWORD closes with this:
    “Anybody having read the book will simply laugh.
    The only “saving clause” is that these charges are made against Ashkenazi Jews only. It would be interesting to see how much filthy ‘Sephardic linen’the Ashkenazi could air in public if they so chose.”

    Toaff’s BLOOD PASSOVER does NOT assert or suggest, anywhere, that anyone ever alleged that Saphardic Jews committed ritual murder of Christian boys or used their involuntarily-obtained blood in rituals or otherwise. Toaff’s book does NOT prove, or assert, that Ashkenazi Jews — or any other Jews — committed such crimes, for Jewish ritual or any other purpose.

    Rather, Toaff’s book observes medieval and renaissance ALLEGATIONS that Ashkenazi Jews committed such crimes and observes that under torture, or in fear of torture, several Jews confessed to such crimes. See BLOOD PASSOVER at, E.G., Chapters I, II, III, and about the first half of Chapter IV (pp.19-99).

    But Toaff’s book PROVES that actually such crimes were never committed — proves so by observing the clear, never-refuted history that in enough such cases of ritual murder ALLEGATIONS and TORTURE-inspired confessions (or plea-bargains of ALLEGED co-conspirators or ALLEGED crime-accessories), the ALLEGED victims were NOT ANYONE’s victim.

    In some cases the alleged child victim (a) was neither murdered nor harmed by a Jew or anyone else or (b) was found having died of natural causes or by no wrongful act of any Jew or anyone else. Or, the accused Jews were released (the charges dismissed), in some instances because of their non-rebutted denials of wrongdoing — though some alleged that Jews bribed their ways to exoneration or freedom. See BLOOD PASSOVER at, E.G., Chapters IV & V. In enough cases, the allegedly murdered boys were not 7 years old or younger, but teenagers. See BLOOD PASSOVER at, E.G., Chapter IV.

    In enough cases, the allegations were explained by desire to confiscate the money and other property of the accused Jews. See BLOOD PASSOVER Chapter IV.

    In at least one other case, a Jew’s own greed explained his tricking and accusing other Jews. Cf., E.G., this account, appearing at BLOOD PASSOVER p.127:

    *** Instruments of torture…were…used on…other defendants to loosen their tongues; in the case of the wily Wolfgang, …they might have been of more use in damming up the torrent of incredible revelations which he seemed unable to control. …[T]he young painter completely flew off the handle, raised his voice and shouted defiantly at anyone who would listen:
    ‘By God! I have reported what Rizzardo told me, word for word, and thus I will repeat it, before any Lord or Prince: just take me to the place of execution and decapitate me, or kill me in any other way, but I will not speak otherwise than I have done’.
    *** …Rizzardo da Brescia had a no less famous namesake. The Jew Rizzardo (Reichard) of Mospach was a swindler and good-for nothing, arrested for theft at Regensburg in 1475. To his inquisitors, the latter Rizzardo confessed that he had been baptized several times to obtain money and other benefits from ingenuous Christians to whom he turned, both city people and peasants. But even the Jews, according to him, had proven the gullible victims of his tricks. The Jews…had purchased fake Hosts, which he claimed to have purloined from various churches in the area, to be ‘tortured’ by the Jews during their anti-Christian rites. Rizzardo-Reichard — …lived alternately as a Jew and alternately as a Christian….

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