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Lies, damn lies and statistics

Turns out that Trump and the Pentagon were lying. Again. This time about the true impact of the Iranian counter-strike on US forces in Syria. First they claimed that there were no injured U.S. personnel, only to eventually have to fess up that 34 soldiers had suffered traumatic brain injury (which Trump “re-classified” as a “headache”). Then they had to admit that it was not really 34, but actually 50!

According to some sources, not all U.S. personnel were hiding in bunkers and some were deployed to defend the base perimeter. Whatever may be the case, this adds yet another indication that the Iranian counter-strike was much more robust than originally reported by the Empire. In fact, Iranian sources indicate that following the strike, a number of wounded casualties were flown to Israel, Kuwait and Germany. Again, we will probably never find out the full truth about what happened that night, but two things are now certain:

  1. The Iranian attack was extremely effective and it is undeniable that all the US/NATO/Israeli forces in the region are now exposed like sitting ducks waiting for the next Iranian strike.
  2. Uncle Shmuel has had to dramatically under-report the real extent and nature of the Iranian counter-strike.

Now, let’s be clear about the quality of the warning the U.S. personnel had. We now know at the very least the following warnings were received:

  1. Warning through the Iraqi government (whom the Iranians did brief about their intentions).
  2. Warning through the Swiss authorities (who represent U.S. interests in Iran and whom the Iranian did brief about their intentions).
  3. Warning through the US reconnaissance/intelligence capabilities on the ground, air and space.

And yet, in spite of these almost ideal conditions (from the point of view of defense), we now see that not a single Iranian missile was intercepted, that the missiles all landed with very high accuracy, that the U.S. base itself suffered extensive damage (including destroyed helicopters and drones) and that there were scores of injured personnel (see this article for a detailed discussion of the post-attack imagery).

If we look at this strike as primarily a “proof of concept” operation, then it becomes pretty clear that on the Iranian side what was proven was a superb degree of accuracy and robust ballistic missile capability, whereas on the U.S. side the only thing this strike did was to prove that the U.S. forces in the region are all extremely vulnerable to Iranian missile attack. Just imagine if the Iranians had wanted to maximize U.S. casualties and if they had given no warning of any kind – what would the tally be then?! What if the Iranians had targeted, say, fuel and ammo dumps, buildings where U.S. personnel lived, industrial facilities (including CENTCOM’s key logistic nodes), ports or even airfields? Can you imagine the kind of hell the Iranians would have unleashed against basically unprotected facilities?!

Still dubious?

Then ask yourself why Trump & Co. had to lie and minimize the real scope of the Iranian attack. It is pretty obvious that the White House decided to lie and to present the strike as almost without impact because if it had admitted the magnitude of the strike, then it would also have had to admit to the total powerlessness to stop or even to meaningfully degrade it. Not only that, but an outraged U.S. public (most Americans still believe the traditional propaganda line about “The Greatest Military Force in the History of the Galaxy”!) would have demanded a retaliatory counter-counter-strike against Iran, which would have triggered an immediate Iranian attack on Israel which, in turn, would have plunged the entire region into a massive war which the U.S. had no stomach for.

Contrast that with the Iranian claims which, if anything, possibly exaggerated the impact of the strike and claimed that 80 servicemen were injured (I would add here that, at least so far, the Iranian government has been far more candid and less inclined to resort to crude lies than the U.S. has). Clearly the Iranians were ready for exactly the kind of further escalation that the U.S. wanted to avoid at almost any cost.

So what really took place?

There are two basic ways to defend against an attack: denial and punishment. Denial is what the Syrians have been doing against the U.S. and Israel every time they shoot down incoming missiles. Denial is ideal because it minimizes your own casualties while not necessarily going up the “escalation scale”. In contrast, punishment is when you don’t prevent an attack, but when you inflict retaliatory counter-strike on the attacking side, but only after being attacked yourself. That is what the US could do against Iran, at pretty much at any time (yes, contrary to some wholly unrealistic claims, Iranian air defenses cannot prevent the US armed forces from inflicting immense damage upon Iran, its population and infrastructure).

The problem with punishing Iran is you are dealing with an enemy who is actually willing to absorb immense losses as long as these losses eventually lead to victory. How do you deter somebody who is willing to die for his country, people or faith?

There is no doubt in my mind that the Iranians, who are superb analysts, are fully aware of the damage that the U.S. can inflict. The key factor here is that they also realize that once the U.S. unleashes its missiles and bombers and once they destroy many (if not all) of their targets, they will have nothing else left to try to contain Iran with.

Here is how you can think of the Iranian strategy:

  • If the U.S. does nothing or only engages in symbolic strikes (say, like Israel’s strikes in Syria), the Iranians can simply ignore these attacks because while they are very effective in giving the Americans (or the Israelis) an illusion of power, they really fail to achieve anything militarily significant.
  • If the U.S. finally decides to strike Iran hard, it will exhaust its “punishment card” in that counter-attack, and will have no further options to deter Iran.
  • If the U.S. (or Israel) decides to use nuclear weapons, then such an attack will simply give a “political joker card” to Iran saying in essence “now you are justified in whatever retaliation you can think of”. And you can be darn sure that the Iranian will come up with all sorts of most painful forms of retaliation!

You can think of the current US posture as “binary”: it is either “all off” or “all on”. Not by choice, of course, but these conditions are the result of the geostrategic realities of the Middle-East and from the many asymmetries between the two sides:

CountryUSIran
Air superiorityyesno
Combat capable ground forcesnoyes
Willingness to incur major lossesnoyes
Short and secure supply linesnoyes
Prepared for major defensive operationsnoyes

The above is, of course, a simplification, yet it is also fundamentally true. And the reason for these asymmetries lies in a very simple yet crucial difference: Americans have been brainwashed into believing that major wars can be won on the cheap. Iranians have no such illusions (most certainly not after Iraq, backed by the US, the USSR and Europe, attacked Iran and inflicted immense destruction on the Iranian society). But the era of “wars on the cheap” is now long over.

ORDER IT NOW

Furthermore, Iranians also know that U.S. air superiority alone will not magically result in a U.S. victory. Finally, the Iranians have had 40 years to prepare for a U.S. attack. The U.S. has only really been put on notice since January 8th of this year.

Again, for the US, it is “all in” or “all out”. We saw the “all out” in the days following the Iranian counter-strike and we can get an idea of what the “all in” would look like by recalling the Israeli operations against Hezbollah in 2006.

The Iranians, however, have a much more gradual escalatory capability, which they just demonstrated with their attack on the U.S. forces in Iraq: they can launch only a few missiles, or they can launch hundreds of them. They can try to maximize U.S. casualties, or they can decide to go after CENTCOM’s infrastructure. They can chose to strike Uncle Shumel directly, or they can decide to strike his allies (KSA) and bosses (Israel). They can chose to take credit for any action, or they can hide behind what the CIA calls plausible deniability.

So while the U.S. and the AngloZionist Empire as a whole are much more powerful than Iran, Iran has skillfully developed methods and means which allow it to be in control of what military analysts call the “escalation dominance”.

Has Iran just “ledeened” the almighty US?

Remember Michael Ledeen? He is the Neocon who came up with this historical aphorism: “Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business“.

Is it not ironic that Iran did exactly that, they took the US and “threw it against a wall, just to show that they meant business”, did they not?

And what does this all tell us?

For one thing, the U.S. military is in real trouble. It is pretty obvious that U.S. air defenses are hopelessly ineffective: we saw their “performance” in Saudi Arabia against the Houthi strikes. The truth is that the Patriot missiles never performed adequately, not in the first Gulf War, nor today. The big difference is that Saddam Hussein’s Iraq did not have any high-precision missiles and that its attempts to strike at the U.S. (or Israel, for that matter) where not very effective. Thus, it was easy for the Pentagon to fudge the real performance (or lack thereof!) of its weapon systems. Now that Iran has been able to pinpoint some buildings while carefully ignoring others shows that the entire Middle-East has entered a radically new era.

Second, it is equally obvious that U.S. bases in the Middle-East are very vulnerable to ballistic and cruise missile attacks. Air defenses are a very complicated and high-tech branch of the military and it often takes years, if not decades, to develop a truly effective air defense system. Due in part to its tendency to only attack weak and lightly-defended countries, and also due to the very real deterrent might the U.S. armed forces used to deliver in the past, the U.S. never had to really worry much about air defenses. The “little guys” had no missiles, while the “big guys” would never dare to openly strike at Uncle Shmuel’s forces.

Until recently.

Now, it is the previously almighty World Hegemon which has been tossed against a wall by a much weaker Iran and thus found itself being treated like a “small crappy little country”.

Sweet irony!

But there is much more to this story.

The real Iranian goal: to get the U.S. out of the Middle-East

The Iranians (and many Iranian allies in the region) have made it clear that the real retaliation for the murder of General Soleimani would be to bring about a complete withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq and Syria primarily, followed by a complete withdrawal from the entire Middle-East.

How likely is such an outcome?

Right now, I would say that the chances of that truly happening are microscopically small. After all, who could seriously imagine the U.S. leaving either Saudi Arabia or Israel? Ain’t gonna happen short of a true cataclysm.

What about countries like Turkey or Pakistan which are formally allies of the US but which are also showing clear signs of being mighty fed-up with the kind of “patronage” the US likes to mete out to its “allies”? Do we have any reason to believe that these countries will ever officially demand that Uncle Shmuel’s mercenaries (because that is what U.S. forces are, paid invaders) get the hell out?

And then there are countries like Iraq or Afghanistan which have hosted a very successful and active anti-U.S. insurgency which has kept U.S. forces hunkered down in heavily fortified bases. I don’t think there is anybody mentally sane out there who could offer a even semi-credible scenario of what a U.S. “victory” would look like in these countries. The fact that the U.S. stayed in Afghanistan even longer than the Soviets did shows not only that the Soviet forces were far more effective (and popular) than their U.S. counterparts, but also that Gorbachev’s Politburo was more in touch with reality than Trump’s NSC.

Whatever may be the case, I believe it is undeniable that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are lost and than no amount of grandstanding will change this outcome. The same goes for Syria where the U.S. is basically holding on out of sheer stubbornness and a total inability to admit defeat.

Uncle Shmuel’s “vision of peace” for the Middle-East

Zionist Apartheid combined with a typically illegal land grab in violation of hundreds of UNSC resolutions. And they call that a “Vision for Peace”.
Zionist Apartheid combined with a typically illegal land grab in violation of hundreds of UNSC resolutions. And they call that a “Vision for Peace”.

I just listened to the Idiot-in-Chief proudly present “his” Middle-East “peace” plan to Bibi Netanyahu and the world. This latest stunt shows two crucial things about the mind-set in Washington, D.C.:

  1. There is nothing which the U.S. ruling classes will not do to try to get the favor and support of the Israel Lobby.
  2. The US does not care, not even marginally, what the people of the Middle-East think.

This dynamic, which is not anything new, but which received a qualitative “shot of steroids” under Trump, will only further contribute to the inevitable collapse of Empire in the Middle-East. For one thing, all the so-called “U.S. allies” in the region understand that the only country which matters to the US is Israel, and that all the others count for almost nothing. Furthermore, all the rulers of the Middle-East now also know that being allied to the US also means being a cheap prostitute for Israel which, in turn, is guaranteed political suicide for any politician not wise enough to smell the trap. Finally, the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Lebanon and Syria have shown that the “Axis of Kindness” is long on hyperbole and hubris, but very short in terms of actual combat capability.

The simple truth is that the abject brown-nosing of the Israel Lobby that Trump has been engaged in from Day 1 of his term only serves to further isolate and weaken the U.S. in the Middle-East (and beyond, really!).

In this context, how realistic is the Iranian goal of kicking Uncle Shmuel out of the region?

As I said, not realistic at all, if seen solely in the short term. But I hasten to add that it is very realistic in the mid-term if we look at some, but not all, the countries of the region. Finally, in the long term, it is not only realistic, it is inevitable, even if the Iranians themselves don’t do much, or anything at all, to make that happen.

These grinning ignoramuses are doing more than anyone else to bring down the Empire, even if they don’t understand this!
These grinning ignoramuses are doing more than anyone else to bring down the Empire, even if they don’t understand this!

Conclusion: “Israel’s” days are numbered

The Israelis have been feeding us all a steady diet about this or that country or politician being a “new Hitler’ who will either gas 6M Jews “again”, or wants to wipe Israel “off the map” or even engage in a new Holocaust. Gilad Atzmon brilliantly calls this mental disorder “pre-traumatic stress disorder”, and he is spot on. The Israelis mostly used this “preemptive geschrei*” as a way to squeeze out as many concessions (and money) from the western goyim as possible. But in a deep sense, it is possibly that the Israelis are at least dimly aware that their entire project is simply not viable, that you cannot ensure the survival of any state by terrorizing all of your neighbors. Violence, especially vicious, rabid, violence can, indeed, terrorize people, but only for so long. Sooner or later, the human soul will outgrow any fear, no matter how visceral, and will replace that fear by a new and immensely powerful sense of determination.

Here is what Robert Fisk said in distant 2006, 14 years ago:

You heard Sharon, before he suffered his massive stroke, he used this phrase in the Knesset, you know, “The Palestinians must feel pain.” This was during one of the intifadas. The idea that if you continue to beat and beat and beat the Arabs, they will submit, that eventually they’ll go on their knees and give you what you want. And this is totally, utterly self-delusional, because it doesn’t apply anymore. It used to apply 30 years ago, when I first arrived in the Middle East. If the Israelis crossed the Lebanese border, the Palestinians jumped in their cars and drove to Beirut and went to the cinema. Now when the Israelis cross the Lebanese border, the Hezbollah jump in their cars in Beirut and race to the south to join battle with them. But the key thing now is that Arabs are not afraid any more. Their leaders are afraid, the Mubaraks of this world, the president of Egypt, King Abdullah II of Jordan. They’re afraid. They shake and tremble in their golden mosques, because they were supported by us. But the people are no longer afraid.

What was true only for some Arabs in 2006, has now become true for most (maybe even all?) Arabs in 2020. As for the Iranians, they have never had any fear of Uncle Shmuel, they are the ones who “injected” the newly created Hezbollah with this qualitatively new kind of “special courage” (which is the Shia ethos, really!) when this movement was founded.

Empires can survive many things, but once they are not feared anymore, then their end is near. The Iranian strike proved a fundamental new reality to the rest of the world: the US is much more afraid of Iran than Iran is afraid of the US. U.S. rulers and politicians will, of course, claim otherwise. But that futile effort to re-shape reality is now doomed to failure, if only because even the Houthis can now openly and successfully defy the combined might of the “Axis of Kindness”.

You can think of U.S. and Israeli leaders as the orchestra on the Titanic: they play well, but they will still get wet and then die.

(*geschrei: the Yiddish word for yelling, crying out, to shriek)

 
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  1. The Scalpel says: • Website

    There is an assumption that because the Iranian missiles hit something, that, that something was the target. I submit that, that assumption is likely false for some of the missile strikes and possibly all of them. Thus the accuracy of the Iranian missiles, while still commendable, might not be as good as advertised here.

    Secondly, soldiers are notorious for playing up any combat related injury in order to qualify for disability and the financial benefits that flow from being categorized as being disabled. As far as we know, the most serious claimed injuries were “concussions.” As a practicing specialist in Emergency Medicine, I can explain that the diagnosis of “concussion” means, by definition, that no abnormality is seen on CT scanning of the brain. The diagnosis is made based on the injured person’s purely subjective complaints, i.e. whatever the allegedly injured person says. If the allegedly injured person says the right things, then a physician may call the symptoms that of a concussion. So, ultimately, a soldier would be diagnosed with a concussion because the soldier (who has financial benefits to gain) says so, and a physician does not dispute it.

    Obviously, this situation leaves a lot of room for malingering, or at least gaming the system for financial benefits. Trump might not have been far off in claiming that most of the “concussions” were “headaches” and many of them were probably not even that severe.

  2. KA says:

    Analysis: Trump’s Mideast Plan Leaves Palestinians With Few Options
    The landscape has shifted so much that a proposal that would have been a nonstarter a decade ago has put the Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas in a bind.
    3h ago
    www. nytimes.com

    Israel takes a long view but not long enough. Israel has changed every few decades the sociological map of Arab from 1917. Current change was started on 20 yrs ago by Sharon with his visit to Al Asqa mosque.
    Hizbullah and Iran take a much much longer view and have been joined by Syria and Houthi.
    Abbas is trying to remain relevant – a very Sunni Arab culture of ingratiating with Zionist. His behavior only reinforces the long views of Iran and Hizbullah – that you can’t negotiate with devil.

    Israelis should get ready to leave slowly and find a new home somewhere . It is not looking predictable nor stable .

    • Agree: Crazy Horse
  3. anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:

    Fifty concussed US soldiers is no big deal. More high school football players probably blacked out that week than soldiers. Besides, they’re a bunch of anonymous, faceless nobodies whereas the US assassinated a top general of theirs. Also, what’s all this talk about a “war” as if the US were to do a D-Day on the Iranians? The US doesn’t do that anymore unless it’s against Panamanians or similar folks. It drops bombs, lots of them, on bridges, water purification plants, factories, radio-tv stations, weddings, funerals, roads etc etc. In other words it conducts campaigns of mass terror and destruction against entire populations, a relatively safe way of destroying countries. It learned in Vietnam not to put too many boots on the ground because the folks back home don’t want too many body bags coming back. The troops only joined because they needed a job and will only go forward if the odds are 100 to 1 in their favor. Iranian retaliation would be most logical against Saudi Arabia; knocking them out might affect the petro-dollar arrangement, thus getting back at the US.

  4. The US military is very concerned about traumatic brain injuries, so anyone near a blast is flown to a hospital to get checked. If this were done in previous “wars” no one would be left to fight.

    What is not discussed is the strange loss of a American “communications” really Signals Intelligence aircraft taking off from Afghanistan. The US took time to admit it, even after videotape appeared. It just released the names of the pilots, but no others.

    I have no proof, but this is what Iran can do to the empire, tweaking its nose by shooting down an American military aircraft each week. Afghanistan is full of opportunities for endless pain for the USA. An aircraft lost or mortar attack on a base each week would take a toll.

    • Replies: @2stateshmustate
  5. So, the upshot of these articles is: America is just a big ol’ paper tiger. Soon Iran will give us a good thumpin’. And if need be, Russia will step in with their wowsa wowsa secret technology to bring us the humiliation we so richly deserve!

    It’s gonna happen. Some Day Real Soon Now.

    • LOL: TKK
    • Troll: vot tak
    • Replies: @WHAT
    , @MLK
    , @Meimou
  6. Imagine if Trump were to be asked by some reporter to give a brief synopsis on the main areas of contention between the Israelis and Palestinians or to give a historical elucidation of Zionism and how the terrorist state of Israel came about in the first place.

    I would bet if he was asked who Theodore Herzl was, he wouldn’t know! I would also bet that this fraud doesn’t even have the most rudimentary understanding of the events in the late 19th and early 20th centuries that forced the whole Zionist movement upon the nations of the world. This man is the quintessential puppet leader who fawns and grovels all over the jews that surround him.

    To give you an idea of what a camel-brain Trump is; during the press-briefing on the phony ‘peace-plan’ at the White House yesterday he called the Al-Aqsa mosque- the Al-AQUA mosque! I do not believe this was just a one time phonetical slip up! Trump is a clown and he is doing the bidding of these Chabad fanatics now at every opportunity.

    • Agree: vot tak, Moi
    • Replies: @Moi
    , @Assad al-islam
  7. @The Scalpel

    In the event that your description of the situation is accurate, then doesn’t the fact that fifty soldiers were willing and able to use this non-event as a pretense to get out of active duty and into the “disabled” category bode very poorly for the United States’ ability to handle an actual war?

    • Agree: Miro23
  8. Honestly, at this point I’m not sure what to think of the results of Iran’s missile attack. It leaves enough ambiguity that both sides can plausibly claim victory. Though there is a good chance this way by design: i.e. Iran wants to look tough and prove it can hurt the Americans, while leaving America the option to de-escalate without losing face, which is what it looks like America did.

    I think that the most important development to come out of the Soleimani assassination is the way it is feeding into the continued breakdown of the United States’ system of alliances.

    The blatant violation of Iraqi sovereignty, and Iraq’s subsequent decision to expel US troops (which the official government is too timid to act on but which many militias aren’t) is the biggest blow. But doing this without consulting any other members of the anti-ISIS coalition – i.e. Russia, Turkey, Syria, EU, UK – many of whom saw Soleimani as a valuable ally against ISIS, has pushed all those countries further along the road to estrangement from the US as well.

    So overall, this looks like a clear strategic win for Iran. It is an old principle of military scheming, going back at least to Sun Tzu, that to fracture the enemy’s alliances is better than a direct attack. And after what has happened in the Middle East over the past two weeks, America has very few allies left.

    https://www.twilightpatriot.com/2020/01/oppression-at-home-and-liberty-abroad.html

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Bill Jones
  9. @The Scalpel

    There is an assumption that because the Iranian missiles hit something, that, that something was the target. I submit that, that assumption is likely false for some of the missile strikes and possibly all of them. Thus the accuracy of the Iranian missiles, while still commendable, might not be as good as advertised here.

    that is provably wrong, even from a purely mathematical/probabilistic standpoint. if you analyze the satellite images of the strikes, it is easy to see that, if one assumes that the missiles were unguided or guided imprecisely (thus having an equal probability of hitting a building vs. just hitting some empty land around it), the probability of a hit distribution as on the satellite images published would be below 1% (I calculated it roughly for one of the images with 3 missile hits and the chance for unguided missiles striking 3 buildings like that in that area came out to be 0.62%).

    here’s a lot more detail on this: http://thesaker.is/analysis-of-the-iranian-missile-strikes-on-ayn-al-asad-airbase/

    • Agree: Igor Bundy, Turk 152, L.K
    • Replies: @The Scalpel
    , @Abraham
  10. All at once at Fort Mashuganah,
    They geschrei, “Hurray, hurray!
    Oorah, Democracy, yea!”
    While their foes dig in for Guernica.

  11. renfro says:

    All Iran has to do is intercept missiles/drones and shoot down planes and its game over for Isr’merica.
    Boots on the ground in Iran would be a suicide mission.

  12. Miro23 says:

    For one thing, all the so-called “U.S. allies” in the region understand that the only country which matters to the US is Israel, and that all the others count for almost nothing.

    Furthermore, all the rulers of the Middle-East now also know that being allied to the US also means being a cheap prostitute for Israel which, in turn, is guaranteed political suicide for any politician not wise enough to smell the trap. Finally, the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Lebanon and Syria have shown that the “Axis of Kindness” is long on hyperbole and hubris, but very short in terms of actual combat capability.

    “US allies” in the region aren’t really allies – they dislike the US (Israel)as much as the US (Israel) dislikes them. They’ll hang around as long as there’s plenty of US cash and no real costs involved. If the cash stops, or they have too much internal dissent, or they have to do some real fighting, then they’re out of this “alliance” like the real prostitutes that they are.

    The US has had some previous experience with these kind of allies (e.g. the ARVN in Vietnam) but they don’t seem to learn much. When it came to the point, the ARVN were next to useless, and the US had to pull out of Vietnam in a hurry.

    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
  13. Anonymous[172] • Disclaimer says:
    @KA

    Try to find a new home? Vickie Nudelman, her husband Kagan and ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt tried to create a Khazaria 2.0 in Crimea following their coup in the Ukraine. Vickie pictured herself spitting and taunting goodbye to the Russian black sea fleet on the shores of Russian hero- city Sevatopol, with NATO moving in to protect their new “home”.

    That didn’t end up well for the tribe. They’ll have to leave all right but it’s Europe and to the biggest part the US were they came from, that’ll have that problem on their neck, and pay for it dearly too.

    • Replies: @trin
  14. Crazy Horse says: • Website
    @KA

    Think of them as General Custer surrounded by Sioux and Cheyenne warriors or the Calvary by the Apache in John Ford’s classic Fort Apache maybe or in more recent history Corregidor or Dien Bien Phu.

    In any event maybe their old homeland in former Khazaria NKA Ukraine might welcome them back.

  15. WHAT says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Why? You very effectively humiliate yourselves.
    And russian technology is pretty much in the open, with long lines for S-400 accompanied by powerless wailing from DC and low hypersonic 3M14 very intentionally demonstrated in the Black Sea just last month. Soon they will demonstrate what they were testing all this time in the White Sea as well, and your bigwigs will have no adequate answer as usual.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  16. Alfred says:
    @The Scalpel

    that, that something was the target. I submit that, that assumption is likely false for some of the missile strikes and possibly all of them.

    That possibility is laid to rest in this informative article:

    Analysis of the Iranian missile strikes on Ayn Al Asad Airbase

    Indeed, the possibility exists that the Iranians were using their older (“liquid fuel”?) rockets in order to keep their better ones, that can be fired almost immediately, for possible later use. It is undeniable that they now have terminal guidance for their rockets. With each software iteration, their accuracy can only increase. 1kg of explosive at 1m is equivalent to 100kg at 10m.

    Danish soldiers said on Danish TV that they were give a 6-hour warning of the attack by the Iranians. I am sure they shared this information.

    Denmark had six hours’ warning of Iranian attack on Iraqi bases: TV (Reuters)

    The fact that the American commanders did not withdraw all their troops a few hundred meters from their installations – and thereby avoid any possibility of casualties – leads me to believe that their hubris and ignorance is unbounded. This base covers an area twice as large as Manhattan – with a walled circumference of 37km.

    The Iranian claims of American casualties was only made for domestic consumption. They would have preferred no casualties at all.

    Just like the attack on Aramco, this has totally upset the apple cart. Intelligent Israelis are well advised to keep their 2nd and 3rd passports up to date and to start planning their strategic moves at a family level. I hope they don’t come to Australia. We don’t need you.

    • Agree: Adrian, Parfois1
    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @Anonymous
    , @Mike P
  17. Miro23 says:
    @Alfred

    Danish soldiers said on Danish TV that they were give a 6-hour warning of the attack by the Iranians. I am sure they shared this information.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq-security-denmark/denmark-had-six-hours-warning-of-iranian-attack-on-iraqi-bases-tv-idUSKBN1Z91O1

    The Danish public can legitimately ask why their troops are on a US base in Iraq.

    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
  18. vot tak says:
    @The Scalpel

    You make it rather obvious you have zero knowledge about missile technical issues. A simple examination of the sat photos will show anyone that you are either lying (the usual websayanim anti-Iran trolling) or you are talking out of your backside due to ignorance compounded with an inflated sense of self importance. 😀

    • Thanks: The Scalpel
    • Replies: @The Scalpel
  19. For something to travel 400km at 2000kph and hit anything in a 60sq km area is remote.. Let alone for 10 of them to hit inside of it and for 5 of them to hit a bunch of buildings..

    Even taking random probability Iran would need to get 5 times the number of missiles to use per target.. so to hit 100 US targets around Iran they would need to save up 100x10x50 or something on the order of 50,000 missiles.. it would be tough but doable.. If they have only 10,000 missiles then the number of targets have to be lowered.. with only 1000 missiles only high value targets can be hit. They cal also keep lobbing 10 missiles per target and see..

    So no matter how you look at it, we are quite sure Iran has over 1000 missiles and that can at the very least take out 20 US targets..

    • Replies: @Alfred
  20. I think that this particular instance of Saker’s column has gone a bit off the rails and exaggerates the circumstances. Maybe a bit of bias confirmation. Usually much more cautious and careful in assessments.

    • Replies: @Cleburne
  21. idealogus says: • Website

    I don’t understand why iranians don’t flood afgani rebels with modern equipment to shot down american helicopters.
    Why don’t use exactly the same strategy as american did to russians 40 years ago in Afganistan.

  22. A123 says:
    @The Scalpel

    Obviously, this situation leaves a lot of room for malingering, or at least gaming the system for financial benefits. Trump might not have been far off in claiming that most of the “concussions” were “headaches” and many of them were probably not even that severe.

    The U.S. Military has Deep State operatives among its Obama holdovers. It seems likely that corrupt officers in the medical corps are finding non-existent “injuries” for political purposes.

    Corruption among Obama holdovers is not a secret. Every objective observer viewed this fact on display when Lt. Colonel Vindeman openly violated orders and committed perjury during the Schiff hearings: (1)

    Vindeman testified: “I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen…” The presidential transcript is clear. No “demand” was made by President Trump of President Zelinsky. Ukrainian President Zelinsky attested no “demand” was made of him, none inferred, implied or interpreted to have occurred.

    So, who is this non-lawyer to treat a private conversation – which contained no “demand” – with such contempt that he introduced false terms into wider discussion? By all appearances, he breached a president’s confidence, possibly terms of his own security clearance, and shared his misinterpretation with others. Pursuant to his testimony, he spoke outside the White House despite direction from a National Security Council attorney not to do so.

    The military needs to create a team of non-holdover doctors to conduct independent, fact based, medical examinations of the 100% healthy “injured” troops. That would generate evidence that Obama holdovers are committing treason under the UCMJ.

    As long as lying is tolerated, it will continue. When lying is exposed and severely punished, it will stop.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://amac.us/lt-col-vindemans-testimony-hard-to-believe/

    • Disagree: Crazy Horse
    • Replies: @Crazy Horse
  23. Anonymous[172] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfred

    Since president Dump has started to admit casualties and 50 “traumatic brain injuries” among the “exceptional” yankfag crybabies at that (boo hoo they should consider themselves lucky compared to the millions of defenceless poor locals they killed with impunity since the invasion), im quite confident he’ll admit the 80 dead estimate that Iran and their Iraqi allies on the other side of the runway of this shared airbase claimed after the retaliation.

    What has also emerged is that the US commander of the base died in the attack too and last but not least, the man who performed the cowardly attack on General Soleimani, while he was on a diplomatic mission, the CIA boss of the drone assassination program Mike d’andrea was shot out of the sky in Afghanistan the other day by the Taliban. Or so they say. Iran has excellent relation with the Taliban and excellent MANPADS.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  24. Sean says:

    If the most sophisticated defence technology in Iran was used to shoot down an airliner that had just taken off from Tehran airport, isn’t it quite likely that Iran might panic, overreact, and mistakenly use a weapon of mass destruction when the situation did not warrant it?

    If the weapons Iran already has are a complete defence against America, then why does Iran need to try for a thermonuclear deterrent?

    If Iran does not hesitate to use the weapons they have and intimidate the US out of the Middle East, why on Earth does it make sense to let Iran build a nuclear bomb?

    • Replies: @KA
    , @Commentator Mike
  25. I’ve said this before and will again: the only purpose of the zionazis is to suck as much as they can out of the Amerikastani Empire while there still can.

    Zionazis are ectoparasites, not symbiotes or commensals. They exist to live off the host organism. They do no more favours for it than a public louse or a flea or a leech does for the host whose blood it drinks. If removed, such a parasite immediately attempts to return to the host body. If the host weakens, the parasite sucks out as much as it can before the host dies. As soon as the host dies and its blood ceases to flow, the parasite immediately abandons it in search of a new host. At no point does it show the slightest concern for the welfare of the host, even to the extent of wanting to keep it alive for the parasite’s own benefit (like a tapeworm or a liver fluke would). Therefore as soon as the Amerikastani Empire begins to go bankrupt and can no longer pay to sustain the zionazi pseudostate, the zios will abandon it and look for a new host to batten onto. They will not disappear so long as they have anyone to suck dry.

  26. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Any American who doesn’t want to fight and die for the glory of Israel is not only anti-Semitic, but also anti-American!

    We should trust President Jared to do the right thing in regards to our colonial overlord, Israel and have his faithful toady Trump send as many US troops as necessary to the ME to fight and die for glorious Israel.

    And Americans should shed tears of joy when their son or daughter comes home in a transfer tube, or at least what’s left of them.
    After all, there’s still plenty of burial spaces in our national cemeteries.

    As for our nation’s infrastructure falling apart–like those Missouri River damns that failed last Spring–loyal Americans will pay no attention that the money needed is being used to support and protect Israel.

    Yes, Israel will fight to the last drop of American blood!

    • LOL: Assad al-islam
    • Replies: @c matt
    , @Goggianmagog
  27. Tom Welsh says:

    “…the U.S. never had to really worry much about air defenses. The “little guys” had no missiles…”

    Except perhaps in Vietnam, where the USA lost over 10,000 aircraft – mostly helicopters, but including thousands of fixed-wing aircraft and over two dozen B-52s.

  28. @The Scalpel

    There is an assumption that because the Iranian missiles hit something, that, that something was the target. I submit that, that assumption is likely false for some of the missile strikes and possibly all of them. Thus the accuracy of the Iranian missiles, while still commendable, might not be as good as advertised here.

    Looked at with an eye for BDA, the blasts were pretty damned on top of something.

    Then they had to admit that it was not really 34, but actually 50!

    Wanna bet it was actually 52?

  29. trin says:
    @Anonymous

    “that’ll have that problem on their neck, and pay for it dearly too.”

    yeah, that’s what many european governments fear. which is why they so adamantly support israel

    • Replies: @Nonny Mouse
  30. gotmituns says:

    As soon as this impeachment malarkey is over with trump and crew will get to settling scores with the Iranians.

  31. @gotmituns

    If they tried they’d get their hearts handed to them on a platter. But they won’t try because Trump has switched from Iran to even more full throated zionazi appeasement as his tool to avert impeachment.

  32. @gotmituns

    Seriously?

    You are confusing the bubble world inside your disordered brain with reality.

    • Replies: @gotmituns
  33. BuelahMan says:

    What?!?

    The Orange Jew and all his controller jews lied?!?

    Say it ain’t so.

  34. Florin N. says: • Website

    “symbolic strikes (say, like Israel’s strikes in Syria)”

    I’m sorry. This is absolutely wrong. It calls into question the rest of this analysis.

  35. KA says:
    @Sean

    “ If Iran does not hesitate to use the weapons they have and intimidate the US out of the Middle East, why on Earth does it make sense to let Iran build a nuclear bomb?”
    Borrowed straight out of Zio casuistry— twisted logic .
    Iran has never said. IAEA has never suspected. Only Israel has been claiming .

    May be you should ask why Israel keeps on changing its goal posts in relation to US,EU,Palestinian and Arab.

    May be you should ask why Israel if so developed and selfsufficient,keeps on begging for more money and more aids .
    May be you should ask if Holocaust survivors were dying from natural rate,why they keep on showing up and appearing in confusingly odd numbers and look younger .
    May be you should ask why Israel deny the responsibility of any action despite canvassing arm twisting ,sensationalizing ,bribing,threteaning and suppressing relevant levers and powers and segments of national control centers of EU and USA , Australia and Canada for years in order to force the results that actions have produced .

  36. Iran does have the Russian s-300 system, also, Mr. Putin wants to sell Iran the Latest Air Defense Sytem the S-400 and the S-500 Systems which will cover the whole of Iran.

    • Replies: @TT
  37. @Miro23

    Danish soldiers on an US base in Iraq ? As Trump would say it’s all about leaving soldiers”…to secure the oil .” All European countries providing military existence to the US in the Middle East are doing so largely to protect their own energy interests . Until coming across the following article , I was ignorant about the size and scope of Danish energy companies : “Danish companies seek energy contracts [in Iran]” financialtribune.com

  38. Kapyong says:
    @Crazy Horse

    “In any event maybe their old homeland in former Khazaria NKA Ukraine might welcome them back.”

    Indeed.
    You’re not the only one wondering if they are going home to Khazaria.

    • Agree: Crazy Horse
    • Replies: @Amon
  39. Moi says:
    @Ed in Salt Lake

    At the risk of repeating myself, as I’ve said the US is a theater of the absurd lorded over by a confederacy of dunces.

    • Replies: @Crazy Horse
  40. The American forces were warned ahead by Iraq, which had been warned by Iran. That was necessary for Iran to do since American bases in Iraq are generally inside Iraqi bases.

    Clearly, the intention was no deaths of Americans.

    And they all took cover in some kind of American shelters.

    But anytime you have high explosives going off near people in an enclosure, you have the formula for concussions.

    I fully expect the nature of the American shelters contributed to the result.

    Maybe that explains Washington’s reticence to talk about it. The “boyz” were hurt by their own inadequate equipment?

    I am sure Iran’s “message” to America with its precision missiles was received ‘loud and clear.” That also is a topic not discussed a lot in the mainline press and by politicians, the precision of Iran’s missile technology. Their precision and the huge quantities Iran has built-up in underground bunkers give it a genuine deterrence against arbitrary attack, especially with a rich target fields of Israel itself and American military bases.

    As far as Iran’s efforts to get the US to leave the region, I think it fair to say, “You ain’t seen nothing yet.”

    The effort will be unattributable and sustained over a long period. The example of the Houthi attack on Saudi oil facilities comes to mind.

    There can be no question that blundering American leadership, always under the tug of Israel, has opened a Pandora’s box by assassinating a national hero, doing so publicly, bragging and even joking about it.

    After all, Iran has felt American hostility for forty years.

    And before that, it was the victim of America’s “man in the Mideast,” the brutal Shah of Iran, installed by coup. The charming Shah with his SAVAK secret police who quite regularly pulled out the fingernails of prisoners.

    Perhaps no country in the region has been more mistreated by America. The abuse has always been intensified by the fact that Israel hates Iran, not out of any phony claims about atomic weapons but just because it represents such a large and influential country in a region Israel thinks it should dominate.

    And there’s the irony, too, that the illegal invasion of Iraq, forcefully advocated by Aerial Sharon and America’s Neocons, had the unwanted side-effect of strengthening Iran in relative terms by removing Saddam who was a natural and ruthless opponent of Shia Muslim power.

    The US also encouraged and supplied Saddam Hussein in the very bloody Iraq-Iran War of 1980-88, including seeing that he was supplied with poison gas weapons Saddam used heavily to even the odds of Iraq’s much smaller population. About a million and a half people died in that terrible war, a war I’m sure most average Americans would not even be aware of.

    And when an American warship, in the final year of that war, shot down an Iranian airliner (Iran Air Flight 655 with 290 people aboard) over Iran’s own territorial waters in the Strait of Hormuz, something it refused even to apologize for, the commander of the warship was, insultingly, awarded a medal.

    The full tale of America’s decades-long abusive treatment of Iran I think is not widely known to Americans, but it certainly is part of the national consciousness in Iran.

    • Agree: bluedog, FLgeezer, Parfois1
    • Replies: @John Chuckman
  41. @WHAT

    Russia is a White country. I don’t want problems with them. I want them to do well. The last thing we need is some conflict cooked up between the last few remaining countries that have some White people left.

    I don’t want America forcing “diversity” on Russia. The goal should be RACIAL survival, not so much putting this or that group of elites in their place. I don’t like anyone agitating for war on either side.

  42. In the First Gulf War in the clash of the upgraded Scuds against the Patriots, the Scuds did far better. It was the devastating precision attack by an Iraqi Scud on the US base on Dhahran on 26 February 1991, killing 27 and wounding 98 US soldiers, that brought the First Gulf War to an abrupt end two days later.

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-02-26-mn-1889-story.html

    The US didn’t have the stomach to continue the war and quickly stopped hostilities. It took more than a decade of sanctions and bombings to enforce no-flight zones, as well as the chaos in Russia during the 1990s affecting Iraqi military supplies, before the US was ready to continue the war with the coalition of the willing on its side and finally take Baghdad.

    A detailed scholarly study of the video evidence on the effectiveness of Patriot missiles to defend against the upgraded Scuds by researchers at the Defense and Arms Control Studies Program, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, concluded:

    Thus the videos contain no unambiguous evidence indicating that Patriot destroyed even one Scud. The videos instead contain substantial evidence that Patriot’s success rate was very low, possibly even zero.

    and

    for no other reason than that they provide information on only about half the engagements), they do provide a record of Patriot performance that is inconsistent with the US Army’s current claim that Patriot destroyed 52 percent of the of the Scud warheads that were engaged.

    http://scienceandglobalsecurity.org/archive/sgs04lewis.pdf

    More in this book about the ineffectiveness of Patriots:

    The Missile Defense Systems of George W. Bush: A Critical Assessment by Richard Dean Burns

    https://www.bookdepository.com/Missile-Defense-Systems-George-W-Bush-Richard-Dean-Burns/9780313384660

    and this article:

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/28/patriot-missiles-are-made-in-america-and-fail-everywhere/

    They say you get what you pay for, but it seems not so if you buy Patriots. Ask the Saudis.

    • LOL: Chris Mallory
    • Replies: @El Dato
  43. @Sean

    Can anyone give more details on the fact or rumour that that plane was packed with Western spies (Iranians holding foreign passports) on their way out to hand their reports to their handlers in the Five Eyes? If so, it was not accidental but deliberate, and no malfunction in the air defences.

    • Replies: @lloyd
    , @Anonymous
    , @TT
  44. gotmituns says:
    @Travis Baskerfield

    And while they’re at it, they’ll probably reinstate the Yangtze river patrol in China to safeguard US interests.

  45. @Crazy Horse

    It’s hard not to notice the impeachment charade is basically the Ukraine obsessed Jews vs Israeli forever Jews. Ukraine being a target for return makes sense since with a rising Russia and a declining US. Also neighboring Poland has some sort agreement about returning Holocaust victims property to owners and descendants. Sounds like Yiddish run Galicia might be making a comeback.

    • Agree: Crazy Horse
    • Replies: @Pindos
    , @Crazy Horse
  46. MLK says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Bingo!

    The US bestrides the globe. The Saker and most commenters here regularly demonstrate that they’re anything but friends to the various resistance peoples and states.

    Throughout 2016, I marveled at the domestic (US) and foreign mindset I call Assume Hillary. Iran, having the most to lose — it’s spectacular regional gains and then the JCPOA, simply substituted another failed assumption after Trump took the oath that the Democrats would remove him, and gift Iran for assisting in that objective.

    This all came to a head at the end of last year with Soleimani’s plausibly deniable plan to seize American personnel, replaying the 1979-80 Iranian Hostage Crisis humiliation through to Election Day 2020, if Trump wasn’t removed through impeachment beforehand.

    Thus Trump announced on January 3, that “We took action [killing Soleimani his militia leader conspirators] to stop war, not start war.” Thankfully, for all concerned, while it makes most here upset, very upset, he seems to have succeeded.

    The timing of Iran green-lighting this desperate gambit was anything but coincidental, and not just in the context of impeachment. Russia signed a gas deal with Ukraine; which laid the predicate for a resolution on Nord Stream II; and, not the least, the US- China agreed to Phase I.

    Iran was increasingly the resistance cheese standing alone.

    My worry since Trump withdraw from JCPOA and amped up sanctions was that Iran was being put in the position of Japan before Pearl Harbor.

    Iran’s daily production is down 85-90%. In the context of a world awash in oil and gas, Iran is being left out as a supplier as production/transport agreements for the coming decades are finally coming together. Phase I provides for China to increase its oil and gas purchases from the US. Who exactly do you geniuses think Iran is going to sell to?

    Trump means to be The Greatest President Ever. That doesn’t include a new war, let alone with Iran. Having neutralized Iran’s dangerous ‘Hail Mary’, no one is better than Trump to turn those lemons into win-win lemonade.

    • Agree: RichardTaylor, Momus
    • Troll: bluedog
  47. Saudi Publishes Mistranslated Quran For Trumps Peace Deal Of The Century! – Dajjal Awakening

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  48. @John Chuckman

    “Empires can survive many things, but once they are not feared anymore, then their end is near.”

    While I agree with that generalization, I think the case is not made that the US isn’t feared anymore.

    Iran strikes me as an exceptional case, taking into account some of the history of America’s relations with it and perhaps its own people’s special qualities. Not a lot of nations have three thousand years of history.

    The complete US presence in the Middle East cannot be ended so long as there is Israel, which is effectively a very privileged imperial colony, an American pied-à-terre, more than it is an independent country.

    Many or most of its influential citizens are of course dual US citizens, and the country literally floats on a tide of both public and private subsidies unprecedented in history.

    Given the immense influence of the Israel lobby in the US, I don’t think there is any prospect of Israel’s being diminished.

    However, it might be possible that Israel will somewhat come to its senses about the Palestinians and make genuine efforts for genuine peace with its neighbors, instead of trying to herd them like cattle.

    It must be demoralizing for many to endlessly treat millions of people as Israel treats the Palestinians.

    I am sure, at the least, it gets tiresome, and indeed, what could be more tiresome than the Trump “peace plan,” which is nothing more than a revival, quite literally in all key details, of Nationalist South Africa’s system?

    It will not happen, and the Palestinian population – roughly the same size as the population of Jewish people in Israel and growing – is not going away, as so many Israelis in the past thought they would if just treated badly for a long enough period. That is a formula that as utterly failed.

    https://chuckmanwordsincomments.wordpress.com/2020/01/29/john-chuckman-comment-trumps-bizarre-peace-plan-for-the-middle-east-having-nothing-to-do-with-peace-and-dead-on-arrival-new-permanent-apartheid-arrangements-as-clear-and-unfair-as-those-of-old/

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  49. @Twilight Patriot

    I have been wondering if the US military, while obviously capable in some respects such as mindlessly dropping bombs, is truly a paper tiger due to the rampant corruption in the federal govt. I would not be surprised if the majority or more of military spending is outright pocketed. Nor would I be surprised if the technology is inferior to many other militaries. There is a common refrain that the US military is secretly something like a decade ahead of civilian technology. Ha! Have we not learned that the fed govt uses secrecy for purposes of deception?

    A list of what I believe are hoaxes perpetrated by the US to give the illusion of power –

    Moon landing – obvious hoax
    Nukes dropped on Japan – Strange that Nagasaki and Hiroshima appear today to be bussling cities with ample vegetation and sane healthy citizens. Do nukes actually exist?
    International Space Station/spacex/et al – obvious hoaxes. Does space actually exist?
    Largest military budget in history – yes, on paper, but how much $ winds up in people’s pockets without producing anything of military value?
    Killing of osama bin laden – hahaha

    All the world’s a stage.

    • Replies: @Nonny Mouse
    , @El Dato
  50. Z-man says:

    The real Iranian goal: to get the U.S. out of the Middle-East

    The assassination of General Soleimani will hasten this withdrawal. They are not really in Saudi or Isra-hell. Even if they’re in those ‘shit holes’ keeping token forces there doesn’t matter. Just getting out of Syria and Iraq would be enough to drive the Neocohens insane.
    I’m still thinking 3D chess by Trump even though that thought is dimming every day and that he probably blundered into doing what is right. But I’m sure he’s getting calls from true patriots like Carlson , Buchanan, Rand Paul and others.

    These grinning ignoramuses are doing more than anyone else to bring down the Empire, even if they don’t understand this

    Who would’ve ‘thunk it’ that the grinning meat head Plump’eo would be the worst of the lot. I hope the Iranians get him but even if not I don’t see him long in Trump’s administration after reelection.
    One chicken hawk down-‘Walrus face’ Bolton
    One crazed Christian Zionist to go-Pompeo.
    Both going to hell in a hand basket.
    A scenario I hope for; ‘Walrus face’ is walking down a street in the Beltway when a car drives by and a burst of heavy caliber bullets meet the Walrus in mid stride. Ah one can fantasize (grin).

  51. melpol says:

    Iran will never weaken US hegemony when the Feds can print tons of hundred dollar bills. Battering rams of US dollars will keep pounding until all who resist will be compromised. Now that China is collapsing under the weight of the Devil Virus, hegemony of the US will become secured. Iran will fold like a house of cards along with the rest of Mid-East nations. No weapon is as strong as suitcases full of greenbucks.

    • Agree: Agent76
    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  52. SI says:

    Thanks much for the pointer to your associated analyses (Some of us don’t see them routinely because the saker’s host blocks Tor, which is very counterproductive.)

    Particular compliments on this comment, which shows that SCO observers know exactly who their enemy is: not the military cannon fodder shipped in to hold the bag for TIMBER SYCAMORE, but the CIA itself. CIA is the US command structure. When you’re ready to decapitate the US, CIA’s the head.

    https://thesaker.is/analysis-of-the-iranian-missile-strikes-on-ayn-al-asad-airbase/#comment-752252

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  53. Iran has not started a war in over 300 years , while the ZUS has been at war for nearly all of its nearly 250 years, and since the creation of Israhell, the ZUS has been involved in wars in the middle east for the greater Israhell agenda, and these recent wars were brought on by the JOINT Israel and ZUS attack on the WTC and blamed on the arabs, and the worst is yet to come.

    Israel is determined to bring on armageddon and to do this they have the right psycopath in office in the ZUS who will in his second term develope a false flag to be belamed on Iran and then comes a massive attack on Iran, which will bring Russia in on the side of Iran and the whole thing will go nuclear and this is what Israhell wants, these kabalists want armaggedon!

    The zionists believe they can survive a nuclear war in their DUMBs ie deep underground military bases which they have throughout the ZUS and ZEurope and Israel and they care not that hundred of millions will die, in fact they are counting on this , to clear the world for themselves!

    This is what I believe is our future under the zionists!

    • Replies: @anon
  54. Pindos says:
    @Old and grumpy

    Interesting. Israeli’s going home.

  55. @Twilight Patriot

    The Empire does not have allies, it has vassals. Now those vassals are getting restless and having second thoughts.

  56. journey80 says:

    Did Iran kill Michael D’Andrea or not? Why isn’t there any mention of this anywhere? Has D’Andrea surfaced to deny Iran’s claim? If not, why is this not nws?

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20200128-cia-chief-behind-soleimanis-assassination-killed-in-downed-plane-in-afghanistan/

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  57. @idealogus

    Have you considered the possibility that Iranians are smarter than the empire? Maybe they understand that arming a monster is not a good strategy: said monster will eventually turn its weapons on you.

  58. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desert Fox

    In that case what do we goyim have left to lose?

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  59. @Anonymous

    the CIA boss of the drone assassination program Mike d’andrea was shot out of the sky in Afghanistan

    What’s more, the US government has officially denied his death, which means that it’s true.

    • Replies: @roonaldo
  60. @The Scalpel

    So now US soldiers gone from the best in the world to skivers and scroungers. 😂

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  61. turtle says:
    @The Scalpel

    The diagnosis is made based on the injured person’s purely subjective complaints,

    Rubbish.
    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/concussion/symptoms-causes/syc-20355594
    Based on my own experience (as a victim, er, “patient”) it seems highly unlikely to me that large numbers of untrained people could, or would, successfully fake a) loss of consciousness, b) confusion, c) retrograde amnesia, or vertigo, among other symptoms.

    You might be able to pull that off, Doctor, but I doubt the average soldier would be able to do so.

    JMO, and IANAP (I Am Not A Physician).

    However, I have suffered two probable concussions in may life, once playing HS football, and the other as a result of an auto accident. In both cases, there were observable symptoms.

    What else are you going to contend is “purely subjective?” PTSD?
    I would advise you not to go there.

    • Replies: @The Scalpel
  62. @anon

    With all the zionists in control of our banks, our money and our government, I do not know what to do, I am starting to believe it is predestined, as in the book of Revelation and the zionists are riding the pale horse of death and destruction.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Z-man
  63. Agent76 says:

    Jan 13, 2020 A timeline of U.S.-Iran relations The U.S. and Iran have a complicated history dating back decades.

    From the U.S. involvement in the shah’s 1953 coup of Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddegh, to the Iran hostage crisis in 1979, to the U.S. killing of one of Iran’s top generals in January 2020, the U.S. and Iran’s conservative religious and political leaders have often found themselves in stark opposition to one another about their visions for both Iran’s own future and larger interests in the Middle East.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/a-timeline-of-u-s-iran-relations

    Jun 18, 2019 4 Times the US Threatened to Stage an Attack and Blame it on Iran

    The US has threatened to stage an attack and blame it on Iran over and over in the last few years. Don’t let a war based on false pretenses happen again.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
    • Replies: @turtle
  64. Stop with your hyperbole… America isn’t gonna get either wet or die.

  65. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desert Fox

    At the very least I will find enjoyment in seeing so many worthless niggers starve to death.

    • Troll: Agent76, Herald
  66. anonymous[116] • Disclaimer says:

    What is the Shia Ethos that the Saker talks about? It is the willingness to die for Justice and keeping Tyranny at bay.
    The Pivitol point of the Shia religion is the battle of Kerbala in present day Iraq.
    Here, Hussain, the grandson of Muhammad and his family and supporters were besieged by a large army and denied access to the water of the Euphrates (a common tactic in desert warfare).
    Hussain, according to common Shia lore, put off all the lamps and candles in the camp and in the darkness requested his adherents to leave. This is a fight against my grandfather and me, and you will not be molested. Amazingly, none left. Almost all the males were massacred and the females taken into slavery.
    This is the religion of the Shia and the Iranians.

  67. Looking at the map, the ‘Vision for Peace’ had a predecessor.

    ‘… in December, the American paper The Spectator reported the camps were enclosed by barbed wire on an area of fifty by sixty miles near Nisko and Lublin 105 kilometres (65 mi) apart from each other, and prepared for an intake of 1,945,000 Jews…’

    We weren’t the first to think of this. We could give credit where credit is due.

  68. c matt says:
    @Greg Bacon

    That is a bit unfair – they are also fighting for the petro-dollar to keep banker Schlomo in business.

  69. Bolton the man on left on the photo : awfull treator.
    A piece by one the big signatures from Unz on this topic and on Bolton’s book is much awaited !
    Takes time to read the book of course…
    If accusing Trump was really a national political emergency, why did he wait until now, just during the impeachment hearings and after being ousted ?
    The “kiss up – kick down kind of guy”…Awfull !

  70. @journey80

    The US government has officially denied his death. As the folk wisdom says that “it ain’t true unless the government denies it”, this is as good as a confirmation of his death. Besides, if he were alive, he’d surface in the media with the denial.

    Technically, he was killed by the Taliban, which downed the US plane (Pentagon denies plane shootdown, which suggests that it’s true).

  71. @Miro23

    If you twist someone’s arm or bribe someone, he’s not your ally. Your only true ally is the Yahudie bitch that controls all your power levers. And even that jew bitch is not an ally but a parasite.
    The Arabs will gladly trade you for goats and treat you worse than them; not that I blame them.

  72. The I Pet Goat 2 shows a second false flag event triggering the rapture. It’s not the first one because it happens after Obama. That’s when the stuff will hit the fan.

    Isn’t there a single billionaire out there willing to set up a secret society to stop the bad guys from destroying this world?

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  73. Mike P says:

    Besides, if he were alive, he’d surface in the media with the denial.

    There may yet be a digital zombie resurrection – as with Osama bin Laden.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  74. Anonymous[580] • Disclaimer says:

    50 concussions. Big deal. The important metric is and always has been fatalities. I for one am glad that there were no fatalities and that Trump downplayed the incident, allowing him to deescalate after foolishly escalating. A bigger war has been avoided (for now).

    The US will continue to stick by Saudi Arabia and Israel. As it should. The creation of Israel may have been problematic but 50+ years later it exists and is not going anywhere. Hypothetically if it ceased to exist, where would all those Jews go? What countries would want to take them in? No, what needs to happen is a peace solution is imposed. Buy off the Arabs if necessary, restrict Israel to reasonable fixed borders, no more continuously growing settlements, sovereignty for Palestinians.

    • Replies: @Amon
  75. turtle says:
    @Agent76

    Thanks for the video.
    Got to love Sy Hersh.
    “Mice training to be rats.”
    Indeed.

  76. @The Scalpel

    There is no need to guess what the effect of the Iranian attack was if we assume that the Pentagon tells the truth when talking to the Chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security. Anyway, for what its worth this is what he was told (Assuming that this letter is what it appears to be!)
    https://static.hypercomments.com/data/images2/9483823/1579175432328668

    OFFICE OF THE CHIEF MANAGEMENT OFFICER
    9010 DEFENSE PENTAGON
    WASHINGTON DC, 20301-9010

    The Honorable Bennie G. Thompson
    Chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, House of Representatives
    242 Rayburn Building
    Washington DC, 20515-2402

    Dear Congressman Thompson,
    In response to your January 10. Freedom of Information act (FOI) appeal, concerning Iran’s missile strike on US airbase Ain Al Assad in Iraq, on January 8 and its subsequent damages and casualties

    Following detailed examination of US Ain Al Assad air base by DOD Special investigative team, concluding estimates are as follows:

    Total number of casualties 285 (139 dead 146 injured)
    Extensive damage to 15 helicopters including 1 Black Hawk, 2 cargo aircrafts and 3 MQ-1 Predator Drones.
    Extensive damage to Base Command Center. 3 barracks, 3 hangars and 10 military tents.
    Relative damage to base’s Air Traffic Control Tower and base’s runway.

    Initial assessments indicate mentioned damages will cause total impairment of Ain Al Assad air base activities for at least three weeks.

    Sincerely,
    (Signed)

    James P. Hogan

    • Replies: @barr
  77. Cleburne says:
    @Fran Macadam

    I’ve been reading Mr Saker for years now and “Cautious”/“careful” are not words that spring to mind. “Consistently amusing, bordering on the unhinged” is my take on the Sake. A definite master of bias confirmation. After applying a 65% discount to strip out the histrionics, he actually has decent insight now and again. I agree this was not one of his better pieces.

    • Replies: @jiri
  78. @Mike P

    There may yet be a digital zombie resurrection – as with Osama bin Laden.

    You are right, State Department is no better than Al Qaida: it won’t hesitate to stoop to the most blatant lies.

  79. Amon says:
    @Kapyong

    The real question is, would they be welcome there at all.

    Outside of our boot licking elites, just who wants to have the Israelite filth anywhere near their homes or children?

    The law makes it illegal to say it out loud, but it is my firm belief that the number of people who wants Jews around is really small and centered in the upper ranks of society. Hence all the hate hoaxes, antisemitism laws and clamp downs on general freedom of expression.

  80. Amon says:
    @Anonymous

    where would all those Jews go

    They’ll move to the vast sections of land they have purchased for stolen money in Argentina and Chile while using the same tired old aggressive solicitations tactics to drive out natives.

    Use something else than google to learn about the Andinia Plan.

    They already have their back up nation in place and are just waiting to see if their great colony plan for Palestinian fails.

  81. zard says:

    Trump is the perfect charlatan….you’ll notice that Hillary has not been locked up nor has the wall been built…..and those third world invaders are still invading.

    By all accounts there are now whole colonies of Somalians living in the mid west…..this replicates the population policies of the Jews in the Soviet Union.It is designed to break up homogeneous white areas.

    Only Americans would continue to believe in Trump while ignoring all the evidence that he is a charlatan.

    Trump…..you’ll notice is no slouch when it comes to carrying out Israel’s objectives.

    HOW CAN AMERICANS BE SO STUPID?….admittedly the American dumbed down education system is at least partially responsible.

    So the next president will be a jew (Trump) and the one after that too…..

    • Replies: @Meimou
  82. Alfred says:
    @Igor Bundy

    For something to travel 400km at 2000kph and hit anything in a 60sq km area is remote.. Let alone for 10 of them to hit inside of it and for 5 of them to hit a bunch of buildings..

    We don’t know what they were aiming for. We are speculating.

    1- They might have deliberately made some missiles miss any target so as to give the Americans the impression that they are not that accurate. This tactic would mean that in a serious conflict, the Americans would get a very nasty surprise.

    2- There are targets that might be underground – such as communications or power cables. The two missiles that hit junctions on the taxiways might have been aimed at these. In a serious conflict, a loss of communications between the various buildings or a loss of electric power might put the whole airport out of action. Runways can be quickly repaired for the less advanced aircraft, but not for the F-22 or F-35

    It is important to realize that the Iranians have access to very detailed construction drawings of these bases. Americans gladly sell such information for a few thousand dollars. OTWH, Americans know little about Iranian bases. Just look at how Israel was fooled in 2006 as to the location of the Hezbollah command centres.

    So no matter how you look at it, we are quite sure Iran has over 1000 missiles and that can at the very least take out 20 US targets..

    I would adjust these numbers to 10,000 missiles and 1000 US targets. 🙂

  83. @melpol

    Printing money reduces its worth, leads to inflation and eventual destabilization. When that happens, propositional[artificial] nations, (which the small hats helped to turn the US into), will break up. Real nations, like China, Iran and Russia, will survive to pick up the pieces and to write the histories.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  84. Alfred says:
    @Crazy Horse

    In any event maybe their old homeland in former Khazaria NKA Ukraine might welcome them back.

    Khazaria is nowhere near Ukraine. It is north of the Caspian Sea. They would then have Iran as a neighbour. 🙂

    The current occupants of “Khazaria” are rather ferocious peoples who speak a multitude of languages. They don’t believe much in multiculturalism. I don’t think the Jews of today’s Israel would be able to master them. They might just slaughter all the males and keep the prettier women for their amusement.

    Ethnicities of the Caucasus

    Raid by Kurds

    • LOL: Parfois1
    • Replies: @Crazy Horse
  85. lloyd says: • Website
    @The Scalpel

    Then wouldn’t they simply be put under observation at the camp for a day or two? Presumably, the camp has medics? My guess these are real war injuries, maybe even deaths, and a big cover up is going on. Trump is not the Idiot In Chief. He was able to step in and put a halt on a full blown war on Iran. His tweet “All is Quiet Now” or words to that effect my be code for end of hostilities. I think there is a power struggle going on between American patriots, they are not mercenaries, and the Lobby. Well in that case I am for America. This may be the first time in history, the U S has not retaliated after a military assault on its forces. Oh I forgot about USS Liberty in 1967. But that was officially deemed to be an accident and not at time much known about.

  86. @MLK

    I definately don’t care what drugs you are using.
    The hubris is WAY TOO FAR INTO THE RED ZONE!

    Russia signed a gas deal with Ukraine; which laid the predicate for a resolution on Nord Stream II; and, not the least, the US- China agreed to Phase I.

    Now Ukraine has to pay directly for gas as transfer to Europe goes through Nordstream and Turkstream and not Ukraine as in the past.

    Phase I provides for China to increase its oil and gas purchases from the US. Who exactly do you geniuses think Iran is going to sell to?

    Who says China is buying anything? They may agree to, but the coming geo-political reconfiguration will make the trade agreement irrelevant.

    • Replies: @MLK
  87. lloyd says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    My first thought was they would have just arrested them before they got on the plane. But then I thought they wanted them dead. Alive, in Iran, they would be huge propaganda for human rights. It doesn’t put the Iranian Government in such a good light. But all’s fair in war.

  88. @Twilight Patriot

    The bigger message is that of the Tet offensive.

    The carefully cultured illusion of safety has been destroyed. Iran has demonstrated the capability to hit targets within a wide area (seemingly including many of the US’ key “allies” in the region at will.

    The morons in Washington, now as then, talk of bodycounts.

    It is not outside the bounds of possibility that the focus of Saudi Arabia’s foreign policy may be shifting from How do we keep the Americans in? To How do we get them out?
    At the very least a lot of backdoor conversations are going to be taking place between the hosts of US bases and Iran.

    • Agree: Alfred
  89. Z-man says:
    @Desert Fox

    Maybe it’s old age creeping up on me but I have the same thoughts about this as you Desert Fox. But don’t dwell on it, live and enjoy your life, enjoy the company of friends, lovers and family for that is the best revenge against the Cabal as they’re mostly a miserable, cursed lot.
    But fight the fight as best you can.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  90. @trin

    So European governments “adamantly” support “Israel” because of their hatred of Jews? ?

    • Replies: @Alfred
  91. Paul says:

    There is always the Hiroshima and Nagasaki solution. That proved quite effective. However, Republican leaders are too weak-willed for that.

    • Replies: @2stateshmustate
  92. @Goggianmagog

    Every country’s soldiers are the best in the world, domestically. How that plays out in the real world is something quite different.

  93. Crazy Horse says: • Website
    @Old and grumpy

    A very astute observation O&G 🙂

  94. Crazy Horse says: • Website
    @Moi

    Can’t dispute that observation at all. I totally agree with you.

  95. Crazy Horse says: • Website
    @Alfred

    That would be just too ironic. What I actually meant was the remnants of the Khazarian empire which historically I believe are the Ashkenazi Jews. Correct me if I’m wrong?

  96. @Amon

    There is an autonomous Jewish Republic in Russia. I forget what it is called but Chabad is really tight with Putin. Many of the Russian Oligarchs are Jewish. I strongly suspect that Jews would be welcomed into Russia in large numbers considering many Israelis were at one time Russian citizens.

    American Jews managed to carve out Ukraine and have a Jewish Leader running the country.

    The large land purchases in Patagonia. I imagine there are some other smaller land purchases that have been done under the radar.

    The Jews definitely have several backups for Israel if anything goes sideways. I find it incredible that a people can engender so much hatred. They seem to have absolute no empathy for anyone else on the planet. The more I see of Jewish behavior the more I become convinced that they need to be quarantined.
    Maybe Trump expressed an interest in Greenland for a reason?

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Amon
  97. @Z-man

    Thanks, well I am glad that I was born and raised in Montana on a farm and ranch operation and am retired from a career in the oil industry and have family in the farming and ranching business and enjoy walking in the hills on the family ranch, but what really bothers me , what they have done to our America.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  98. @idealogus

    They’re Sunni, for one thing.

  99. barr says:
    @foolisholdman

    ” Trump says “all is well” after Iranian strikes on bases hosting U.S. troops

    Michael Singh, managing director of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, told Axios that even if there were no U.S. casualties, “this will be viewed in Washington as a serious escalation by Iran.”

    “Had there been U.S. casualties, there likely would be serious consideration of strikes against Iran proper, for example against the missile launch sites,” he said.
    “If in fact there are no U.S. casualties, that offers the president more flexibility in responding, though I’m skeptical he would choose not to respond at all given the seriousness of the Iranian attack,” Singh added.

    Behind the scenes: Speaker Nancy Pelosi was meeting with members Tuesday evening when she was handed a note with news of the attack, Rep. Debbie Dingell told reporters. Pelosi told the room to pray.”

    https://www.axios.com/iran-rocket-attack-al-asad-soleimani-78d00f09-1208-491d-b382-f0c6e1fb5da9.html

  100. NPleeze says:
    @MLK

    Soleimani’s plausibly deniable plan to seize American personnel

    Nah, his plan was to release the Mossad videos of the Orange Satan repeatedly raping little girls. That would be more effective, though Mossad does guard those tapes very closely.

    Thankfully, for all concerned, while it makes most here upset, very upset, he seems to have succeeded.

    The world won’t be safe until the ZioNazis, esp. the Orange ZioNazi, are exterminated. Will happen soon enough. It’s simple too much evil for humanity to accept.

    Russia signed a gas deal with Ukraine

    Good news, and Nordstream 2 and Turkstream are also moving ahead.

    the US- China agreed to Phase I

    Yeah, that’s right up there with Bush’s “Mission Accomplished” landing, lol.

    Iran was increasingly the resistance cheese standing alone.

    Nah, there are billions of humans – among them, ever single decent human on the planet – that vehemently oppose ZioNazis and the Orange Satan – as well as the barbaric TrumpTARDs that support him. It’s obvious that increasingly Satanic US and ZioNazi Israel are standing alone, basking in their achievement of ultimate evil.

    Who exactly do you geniuses think Iran is going to sell to?

    As soon as the US stranglehold on trade through its currency is eliminated, everyone. But yes, the US is the Evil Empire, Tyrant, Murderer and War Criminal, and currently it can torture babies unhampered – and the Evil Empire sure loves torturing babies.

    Trump means to be The Greatest President Ever.

    To savage TrumpTARDs, perversely evil maggots that infest the planet, that may be true.

    • Replies: @Cleburne
  101. Amon says:
    @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    I imagine there are some other smaller land purchases that have been done under the radar.

    There have been recent incidents taking place in the USA in which hardcore conservative orthodox jews buy up land and house in Suburban districts then remodel the houses into multi family dwellings against any and all regulations.

    Once they have a foot in through that, they engage in aggressive solicitations to drive out the old and the emotionally weak to make room for more, as their numbers grow they begin to abuse their votes to plunder district and education funds to pay for their religious schools and house constructions while also imposing their religious doctrines on non jews by enforcing gender segregation at swimming pools and in schools.

    When the non jews fight back they get accused of antisemitism which brings the law down on the actual victims while the criminals gets to do whatever they want.

    https://www.jta.org/2019/01/23/united-states/insisting-it-is-not-anti-semitic-nj-group-sees-haredi-orthodox-as-a-threat-to-their-quality-of-life

  102. NPleeze says:
    @idealogus

    The Evil Empire and ZioNazis will arm terrorists to achieve their objectives. Decent humans do not.

  103. MLK says:
    @bike-anarkist

    You’re confused. My assertions about the effect of the sanctions on the short, medium and long-term performance and prospects of the Iranian economy are anything but disputed, including not the least by the Iranian government itself.

    Agreements for energy exploration, production and transport are counted in decades. Iran is missing out.

  104. Meimou says:
    @RichardTaylor

    “Us” a good thumpin? No, there is no “us.” There Americans and people like you Merica! Yahoos.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  105. Cleburne says:
    @NPleeze

    Impressive analysis. Have you perhaps considered applying for a commentator gig at CNN?

    I am no fan of Zion Don, much less the degenerate Yankee Empire, but your screed is absurd.

    • Agree: RichardTaylor
    • Replies: @NPleeze
  106. Crazy Horse says: • Website
    @A123

    The U.S. Military has Deep State operatives among its Obama holdovers. It seems likely that corrupt officers in the medical corps are finding non-existent “injuries” for political purposes.

    ‘scuse me as I wipe the coffee spewed on the screen as I read this wacky KOrNspIRAcY theory only a Zionist assclown like Alex Jones or some depraved Hasbera clown could come up with.

    I think your tin foil hat is screwed on too tight if you actually believe what you’ve just posted.

    • LOL: A123, Turk 152
  107. Mike P says:
    @Alfred

    Danish soldiers said on Danish TV that they were give a 6-hour warning of the attack by the Iranians. I am sure they shared this information.

    The fact that the American commanders did not withdraw all their troops a few hundred meters from their installations – and thereby avoid any possibility of casualties – leads me to believe that their hubris and ignorance is unbounded.

    There is another interpretation – namely, that the military chain of command has been compromised. The warning must have arrived at the highest level in Washington, and surely it would have been in Trump’s and the national interest to minimise casualties.

    What if some neo/ziocons are plugged into the chain of command and countermanded the order to withdraw, to create some casualties on purpose, in order to increase the likelihood of escalation?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Alfred
  108. @Walkhumbly

    Walky, there are even some people who think the earth is not flat! Can you imagine that, when anyone can see it is?

    • Replies: @walkhumbly
    , @Bill Jones
  109. @Meimou

    Okay, call me whatever you like. The point is, while Russia and China are formidable countries (and Russia our racial kin), there seems to be an idea afloat around here that they can “put America in its place” with a backhanded slap. That’s inaccurate. That’s a bad model of the world.

    China really can’t. And Russia has limits. America continues to be the lead on so much technology. This isn’t chest-thumping, it’s reality. It doesn’t mean we can do whatever we like, but we will continue to be the number one power for a while. We need to accept that the USA isn’t going to collapse anytime soon.

    I’ve been hearing these ecstatic predictions for decades.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Parfois1
  110. Anonymous[603] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    The Iranians in Canada are a hive of far left dissidents who they would certainly be happy to be rid of.

    I’m fairly certain this was no accident.

  111. Dingo jay b says: • Website

    More BS from SAker.Where were all these Iranian missiles when Israel was raining love on Iranian forces in Syria. Not a peek out of Iran.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
    , @Herald
  112. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike P

    Very good point – bolstered by the fact that many (((MSM))) outlets suggested that all 50 casualties suffered serious brain injuries.

    This is obviously untrue but Trump is too weak/naive/ignorant/stupid to fight it. After three years, he’s drained the swamp just enough to absorb the bottom-level critters into his administration.

    LOL!

    • LOL: bluedog
  113. Z-man says:
    @Desert Fox

    Thanks, well I am glad that I was born and raised in Montana on a farm and ranch operation and am retired from a career in the oil industry and have family in the farming and ranching business and enjoy walking in the hills on the family ranch…

    Hey, hey, now I’m getting jealous. (Grin)
    Still, fight the fight as best you can.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  114. @Nonny Mouse

    Earth is flat. Space doesn’t exist. You can joke all you like. I pray for you to seek out the evidence of a ball flying through space with an open mind.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  115. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @RichardTaylor

    You’re ignoring the trajectory. You’re also ignoring the fact that rulers always depend on the consent of the governed.

    The trajectory is the key to human happiness and loyalty. People like it when they’re united and the ruling establishment makes their lives better even if the starting point is lower in comparison to some other groups. It’s about waking up in the morning and being optimistic about the chances that your own children will have a fair chance to have a 0.1% better life than you did.

    So, we have:

    – The West splintering and actually genociding their best and the brightest under the influence of a foreign, hostile, parasitic Tribe.

    – The East uniting and growing stronger with their own people at the helm.

    There’s no contest.

    • Agree: Mike P
  116. @Commentator Mike

    Wow, so the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, one of only two officially Jewish regions in the world, is only 2 percent Jewish.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @dickr
  117. Meimou says:
    @zard

    So the next president will be a jew (Trump) and the one after that too

    My money is on Jr or his daughter

  118. roonaldo says:
    @AnonFromTN

    CIA mission? To pick up a load of Afghani heroin. Plane was overloaded or maybe a kilo of C4 amidst the drug packets planted by an Iranian agent amongst the drug runners. I meant this jokingly…but the more I think about it…

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  119. Parfois1 says:
    @John Chuckman

    Given the immense influence of the Israel lobby in the US, I don’t think there is any prospect of Israel’s being diminished.

    On the other hand, it is hard to accept that the past 70+ years of Jewish abominable criminality will not shape events to come.

    Indeed, the status quo is unsustainable – something will give in; and that will be determined by the emerging strategic realities emerging before our eyes. The US is a declining force in global affairs and that will be reflected in a diminishing support for the Jewish encroachment in the Middle East. When the chips are down, the US will eventually have to decide whether it should risk a nuclear conflagration for the sake of protecting that criminal state, because that appears to be the only result of pursuing past and present mistakes. Perhaps then, when the citizens of the US realize what is in store for them, they’ll take back their republic from the parasitic Jewish elite and its cronies.

    The people of the Middle East (and I don’t mean their corrupt elites) will not forget those 70+ years and not likely to forgive either. Nations (peoples) have long memories and what the Zionist state has been doing deserves just deserts.

    “Nuclear conflagration” is not hyperbole. Iran is becoming powerful enough (in a defensive way) to challenge the US and its numerous Achilles heels. Faced with its inability to impose its will on Iran, it will necessarily consider the nuclear option as a way out of hornets nest it created. The Jewish shithole in Palestine will not do it because Iran and allies would not leave stone unturned in that hole, so Uncle Sham will be put on the spot as the nuclear protector and – if the clowns in Washington still have a shred of brains left (or the people having recovered the lost republic) – retreat from the brink of doom by the realization that neither Russia nor China would permit the “nuclear option”. Neither risk much – they can always say or hint that “their options remain on the table” – as sufficient warning to the senescent Uncle Sham not overstep on that brink.

    The Zionist entity is doomed – its crimes too heavy and numerous for clemency.

  120. Parfois1 says:
    @SI

    Thanks much for the pointer to your associated analyses (Some of us don’t see them routinely because the saker’s host blocks Tor, which is very counterproductive.)

    The Saker blocks much more than Tor: it blocks its own commenters. Many, including yours truly, have left it because of irrational censorship. Don’t know whether due to low quality “moderation” or institutional “political correctness”, comments are chomped or disappeared willy nilly.

    • Replies: @vot tak
  121. @Hapalong Cassidy

    The Russian Jews preferred to move to the deserts of Israel than to Borobidjan – must be the better weather, he he. Still with climate change heating up the planet, the strategic location of Birobijan between resources rich Siberia and the resources hungry China – you never know if these merchants may yet find it desirable to move there one day.

  122. @roonaldo

    I won’t be surprised. Opium production in Afghanistan under the US occupation increased manifold, as compared to what it was under “evil” Taliban. I guess it’s a sure sign of flourishing democracy.

  123. NPleeze says:
    @Cleburne

    Really, you think CNN would have me? Nice thought, arrange an interview please, you seem to have inside connections.

    but your screed is absurd.

    And your teeth are yellow.

    • LOL: Herald
    • Replies: @Cleburne
  124. NPleeze says:
    @walkhumbly

    Earth is flat.

    Good, and I will pay you $1 million to go to the edge and take some pictures.

    Or is there an army of vampires sucking the blood out of anyone who tries?

    • Replies: @Walkhumbly
  125. NPleeze says:
    @Dingo jay b

    WTF? Think a bit. Starting a war against Iran b/c Iran is bombed and b/c Syria is bombed are two different things. Really, it’s not that hard, think man, think!

  126. Parfois1 says:
    @almondflake

    Isn’t there a single billionaire out there willing to set up a secret society to stop the bad guys from destroying this world?

    The short answer is No. They are not that silly, why give up all the best things life can offer. You are suggesting that it might be possible that at least one would feel remorse for being filthy rich from exploiting others but that is their aim and vocation or heritage.

    Anyway, if a billionaire went renegade the cabal in charge would make sure his name would never appear in the Fortune’s lists again.

  127. I think the Iranians will make sure Trump and his bunch of Neocon Zionazis aren’t re-elected, with some help from Iraqi militias and the Houthis. Trump has made a lot of enemies.

    This ain’t over. Sadly, many more young Americans will pay the price for his stupidity. The MSM that supposedly hates Trump will continue to cover for him.

  128. Dingo jay b says: • Website

    Pleeze – you better think. Dummy Iran doesn’t answer any of these attacks it only causes Israel to attack more. Please put your reply in english instead of gibberish.

  129. Parfois1 says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    Printing money reduces its worth, leads to inflation and eventual destabilization. When that happens, propositional[artificial] nations,

    That is so in a normal market – that is, where the law of supply and demand operates. It does not apply in a controlled market such as modern financial products (e.g. derivatives backed by imaginary value) and state financing, which is based on “trust” (confidence trick) managed by rating agencies. By normal accounting standards, the US is bankrupt and the USD valueless; what sustains the fiction is control of international banking by BIS, IMF and World Bank, trade and reserve currency, imposing on vassal states purchase of US debt, and other financial trickery in addition to daylight robbery of other countries’ gold deposited in the US or from raids during regime change operations.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  130. jiri says:
    @Cleburne

    And yet you continue to read his articles regularly?

    Hmmm.

    • Replies: @Cleburne
  131. snag says:

    I told you Mr. President … Keep the Jews out of politics and away from MSM ,…

  132. vot tak says:

    Following news about the Russian’s bases in Syria, I assumed the americans were also incorporating air defense in their Mideast deployments.

    US Working With Baghdad to Deploy Patriots in Iraq After Iran Missile Strike – Pentagon

    https://sputniknews.com/world/202001301078181951-us-working-with-baghdad-to-deploy-patriots-in-iraq-after-iran-missile-strike-pentagon/

    “The US is working on delivering Patriot missile systems to Iraq in the wake of Iran’s ballistic missile attack, but needs “permission” from the Iraqi government to do so, Secretary of Defence Mark Esper said Thursday.

    Joint Chiefs Chairman Mark Milley confirmed that the US was “working with the Iraqi government” on the issue, but said that “the mechanics of it all” still need to be worked out.

    That process is “ongoing,” Milley said.

    On the morning of January 8, Iran launched several dozen missile at US military bases in Iraq, hitting the Erbil Airbase in the country’s north, and the Ayn al-Asad Airbase west of Baghdad. Iran is reported to have provided advance warning to Iraq, who presumably warned the US forces stationed in the country, allowing them to take shelter in prepared bunkers. Although they did not kill any US troops, the missile strikes did cause substantial damage to base infrastructure.

    The US military later said that no air defences were deployed at either of the bases.

    That answers the question about why there were no reports about american air defenses shooting down any incoming, or even being active. They were not even there.

    Says a lot about american military planning and the assumptions they base it on.

    Pathethic.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  133. Parfois1 says:
    @RichardTaylor

    I’ve been hearing these ecstatic predictions for decades.

    The official PNAC is not that old (1997) – the peak of US hegemony when Russia was on its knees.

    It’s over as from 8/1/2020 (the shortest “century” in history!) when Iran attacked US bases in Iraq – the only country who did so openly “as a slap in Uncle Shamuel’ s face” for the whole world to see that the emperor has no clothes.

    They abused their power, like their Jewish masters, and the world has run out of tolerance. Must be the Jewish contagious vocation: being hated! Good riddance.

  134. Alfred says:
    @Nonny Mouse

    Which European country will accept an influx of millions of Jews from Israel?

    Do you think the USA will take them? Those who vote Democrat – Blacks, Browns and Asians – certainly don’t want them. I doubt if the fake Christian Evangelists would be happy to see their delusions exposed. Even the Jews in the USA would be against it IMHO.

    When push comes to shove, the Europeans will do what they have always done and stop the Jews from entering. It goes without saying that Soros and his gang will promptly stop the flood of Africans coming to Europe in the hope that the Jews will take their place.

  135. Alfred says:
    @idealogus

    I don’t understand why Iranians don’t flood Afghani rebels with modern equipment to shot down American helicopters.

    Iranians have had Afghanis as neighbours for thousands of years. Many Afghanis have settled in Iran due to the instability of their country.

    They understand and respect one another. Many Afghanis speak Persian/Farsi at home. The Iranians are a permanent fixture in the region as are the Afghanis. They know that foreigners will eventually leave. It is not like Alexander the Great getting his soldiers to marry all the local girls after killing their menfolk.

    The Iranians want Afghanistan to self-govern. They don’t care much about who actually runs Kabul because the place is really impossible to run centrally. But they certainly don’t want the Afghanis to be in position to sell or smuggle weapons into Iran. Similarly, they want to put an end to the CIA sending Afghani heroin into Iran. This is analogous to the British getting China hooked on opium.

  136. @Anonymous

    So, we have:

    – The West splintering and actually genociding their best and the brightest under the influence of a foreign, hostile, parasitic Tribe.

    – The East uniting and growing stronger with their own people at the helm.

    There’s no contest.

    The West has problems to the extent it isn’t true to the Western worldview in “elite” circles. Importing the 3rd world is a problem too. But no, we aren’t in some “game over” situation. The anti-White genocidal policies grow more unpopular everyday and populism threatens to topple the Current Establishment all over the West.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  137. @MLK

    Very interesting analysis. I had not heard that theory about Soleimani.

    I think the emotional desire to see the Great Satan humiliated is clouding their judgement. It remains me, oddly enough, of those who were beating their chest about Peak Oil. It was jussssst about to bring the West crashing down. Yet, it was always pretty obvious that new technology and higher prices would make it likely we found new sources.

    And lo and behold, fracking!

    As well as new oil and natgas fields.

    • Replies: @MLK
  138. Alfred says:
    @Mike P

    There is another interpretation – namely, that the military chain of command has been compromised.

    That may well have been the case. However, I am sure the Iranians were aware of that possibility and that they used multiple ways of passing on the warnings. These are very smart people. Not to be underestimated.

    If the Danes got a warning, 100% they would have passed it on to everyone else. If the US commanders decided to ignore it because it did not come via Washington, that would confirm that they are a bunch of sniveling idiots. They have certainly now lost the trust of their men (and women?)

    • Replies: @Mike P
  139. Ahoy says:

    @Parfois1 #124

    Very good comment/answer to John Chuckman.

    What Putin is doing inside Russia now(kicking out Medvedev), will have repercussions throughout the whole world.

  140. @NPleeze

    My last comment on the topic: do 5 minutes of Google research before trying to get cute with $ you don’t have.

  141. Herald says:
    @Dingo jay b

    Not a peek out of Iran.

    Well not so, as Iran was in Syria, and still is, to help rout the bands of US and Israeli backed jihadis and thugs. The largely token Israeli missiles strikes have been totally ineffective in preventing this rout.

  142. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Twilight Patriot

    It certainly does. These guys know that they are not “defending the country”. Once the downside exceeds the upside, they will be gone

  143. Kapyong says:
    @Parfois1

    “Nations (peoples) have long memories and what the Zionist state has been doing deserves just deserts.”

    Indeed.
    If they are not careful, the Zionist state will be just desert 🙂

  144. Cleburne says:
    @jiri

    I do, because I review/consult/analyze a very, very, very wide variety of new/”news” and data or what have you. It helps keep me out of a mental bubble. I happen to like the way Mr Saker writes; I appreciate his passion, even when I disagree. He is also an Orthodox Christian, like me, and I enjoy his writings on theological subjects.

    I’m a little puzzled that you find this so strange.

  145. Mike P says:
    @Alfred

    There is another interpretation – namely, that the military chain of command has been compromised.

    That may well have been the case. However, I am sure the Iranians were aware of that possibility and that they used multiple ways of passing on the warnings. These are very smart people. Not to be underestimated.

    Well, that redundancy only helps with sending the warning. I was talking about the chain of command that transmitted the reaction to the warning. This is out of control of the Iranians.

    I do agree with your estimation of the Iranians – smart, courageous, and disciplined.

  146. Cleburne says:
    @NPleeze

    Take your meds, angry little manlet. And Mom says it’s time to get off the computer.

  147. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @vot tak

    Are you suggesting that a satellite photo alone can determine with certainty that a missile hit its intended target?

    I believe you would first have to know the intended target.

    Thus, any calculations based on the assumption that any of the missiles struck exactly an intended target could be erroneous.

    Any earlier poster referenced calculations based on the probability of the missiles hitting empty space versus something. Those calculations are more believable, but one would have to be sure of the total number of missiles fired in that case. We know what the claimed number is, but I am not aware that precise information based on appropriate sensor information has been made public

    • Troll: vot tak
    • Replies: @vot tak
    , @foolisholdman
  148. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @turtle

    You might be able to pull that off, Doctor, but I doubt the average soldier would be able to do so.

    I have been a working full time in Emergency Medicine for over 20 years. I have seen hundreds if not thousands of diagnoses of “concussion”. Almost all of these are based solely on the patients reported symptoms and the doctor’s willingness to make “concussion” the diagnosis. That diagnosis does not have to be supported by any specific findings or even a proper understanding of the diagnosis. It simply has to be entered in the record by a licensed physician.

    Once that diagnosis is on the medical record, it is up to subsequent providers to refute that diagnosis if they desire to do so. This is something subsequent providers are very unlikely to want to dedicate the time and effort required to accomplish. There is usually no financial or professional incentive to do so – often the opposite. There is no specific test to definitively say one way or the other if a person had a “concussion”. Like PTSD it is a “functional” diagnosis based mainly on subjective symptoms and not objective test results. This is not to say such things do not exist. They do exist. It is only to say that they can be faked or misinterpreted and that will happen if there is a financial incentive to do so

  149. @Z-man

    Thanks, I feel like some of the ones here, like you and a few others are friends, even though we have never met, thats the best thing about this site.

    • Agree: Z-man, RadicalCenter
  150. MLK says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Yep. Though the US only has a short window (less than 20 years, maybe only 10) as a significant producer, let alone the largest, as it is today.

    If you cut through the noise, and focus on the forest, not the trees, the USG has been subsidizing its high-cost oil and NG production while taking global supply off-line (e.g. Iran; Libya; Venezeula) in furtherance of long-term geopolitical objectives.

    The US is unique as both a large (largest) producer and consumer. It thus wants energy priced at a middling sweet-spot, unlike all the other major producers.

    Contra the conventional wisdom, that we saw in full hysterical relief in 2008, primary sources of energy don’t give up that position by sky-rocketing in price but the opposite — going to effectively zero as they become uneconomic to extract and transport (e.g. Whale oil; coal, in the initial stages).

    Remember that line from It’s A Wonderful Life: “Don’t you people see what’s going on here? Potter isn’t selling, he’s buying.” We’re witnessing the mirror in that the US is selling what’s left of our oil and NG as fast as it can, leveraging it to shape what’s coming next.

    I suspect we’re getting close to Maduro cutting a deal so that POTUS Trump can make Venezuela Great Again. Though maybe it will have to wait until after Trump wins reelection (in a landslide) because it will reduce American production. Besides, Trump/USG have Russia and China by the short-hairs there. It’s a sinkhole for $Billions, with no end or exit strategy in sight unless they make a deal with Trump to get paid back pennies on the dollar.

    By the way, we got this sanguine news on Iran today:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/us-opens-switzerland-based-humanitarian-channel-iran-life-saving-drugs-staples

    Trump’s brilliance is in using sanctions/tariffs functionally. I feared for over a year, and increasingly so, that the US was putting Iran in a position akin to Japan’s before it launched the attack on Pearl Harbor. The warning signs were glaringly obvious over the summer as Iran engaged in increasingly dangerous provocations, for which Trump declined to take the bait.

    My point is that hopefully this news is an indication that behind the scenes the US will ease off the sanctions on Iran in return for it quietly reducing its military/intelligence presence (and trouble-making) in the Middle East.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  151. vot tak says:
    @The Scalpel

    First post nonsense designed to get a response. Then when that nonsense is debunked, “change the goal posts” to further continue the trolling.

  152. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @palmtoptiger

    From your referenced source:

    Since the Iranians did not make public the targets they wanted to hit or destroy, we will have to assume that the individual missiles were targeting the actual structures they destroyed or the nearest structures to their impact locations.

    That is something very close to circular logic.

    • Replies: @Herald
  153. A123 says:

    Almost all of these are based solely on the patients reported symptoms and the doctor’s willingness to make “concussion” the diagnosis. That diagnosis does not have to be supported by any specific findings or even a proper understanding of the diagnosis. It simply has to be entered in the record by a licensed physician.

    they can be faked or misinterpreted and that will happen if there is a financial incentive to do so.

    Even more powerful than a financial incentive is a political imperative. The deep state establishment cannot accept that:

    — Trump obviously won (limited property damage)
    — Khameni obviously lost (dead general)

    Only those with below room temperature IQ’s and/or jihadi levels of fanaticism believe that Khameni came out ahead.
    _______

    Any life threatening injuries would have been detected immediately after Khameni’s PR stunt. Holes in people tend to bleed and are hard to miss. Perhaps some upright “walking wounded” would turn up in the next 24 hours as the adrenaline wears off.

    Ask this question, “Why are the numbers slowly increasing over multiple news cycles?”

    Could it be that a faction with a political imperative has multiple doctors out intentionally encouraging and faking among 100% healthy troops?

    It is an objectively proven fact that there are some corrupt Obama holdovers in the military. Lt. Colonel Vindeman was proud to lie on the record. How many additional corrupt officers are still hiding in the weeds?

    Doctors can phrase questions to get the answers that they want. Each round of examinations by a corrupt medical officer produces a few more 100% subjective diagnoses allowing the number to gradually increase over multiple news cycles.
    _______

    Hillary Clinton supporters, like poster Crazy Horse, cannot handle the truth. Because they cannot cope with reality, they embrace illegal means to undermine the Constitution and the Presidency.

    PEACE 😇

    • LOL: bluedog, Alfred
    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  154. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @RichardTaylor

    No-one said “game over”. The point is that the Western globalist “elites” are rapidly losing the consent of the governed after decades of full-spectrum abuse culminating in outright genocide of its core population. A country or an empire can only survive it the governed are reasonably united, optimistic and loyal. Needless to say, none of these three qualities fit an average Westerner under the current (((management))).

    There’s still a chance to turn this ship around but it’s going to be a very difficult and perilous journey.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  155. Mike-SMO says:

    Saker must have been paid by the Perfumed Princes for stand-up comedy.

    Compare the recent U.S. actions, President Trump’s statements, and the performance of the IRGC/Quds forces with the pretty US/Iran chart in the text. The “hit” on Soleimani and the loose talk about 52 cultural sites, translates (in classical Persian) to , “I know where know where you will be hiding”. Hamas (Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza) supposedly has a command post in the sub basement of the only functioning hospital in Gaza. Israel hasn’t yet dared. President Trump announced that he’d dare. The new government and people of Iran would have a celebration lit by the burning IRGC/Quds offices and uniforms of the IRGC/Quds survivors who were trying to blend back into the victim population. Hard copy of that pretty and useless chart might make a nice contribution to the fires.

    The Ride of Soleimani is the new way of war. The idiots get hit first.

    “52”? Like B-52s (BUFFs) with stand-off and cruise missiles? Remember the “air show” at Deir az Zor several years back? Remember the detailed picture of the destroyed launch site that The President sent with his condolences? The “law”? A protected cultural site used by a combatant for military purposes (like Command and Control) is no longer “protected”. President Trump’s statement about “obeying the law” should not bring any comfort to the Mullocracy.

    Iranian ballistic missiles. Their older Russian models apparently managed one hit on a huge air base in Iraq. Maybe their new models will do better. If the IRGC air defenses don’t shoot them down over Iran, that is.

    Damage to Mid-Eastern oil resource supplies will primarily hurt Europe, India, China, Japan, Korea, etc. I am sure that the U.S. will help as much as it can. We can probably also help get Canadian Bakken oil to shipping ports. And we have lots of coal to sell. All after our natural ally, the U.K., gets what it needs.

    The old bit of “wisdom” is that generals are alway fightint the LAST war. Consultants seem to be even more dated. The pretty chart of relative “strengths” are a list of the many ways NOT to fight a war.

    Enjoy Florida….. Keep’em laughing.

    • LOL: bluedog
  156. @Anonymous

    If there is no culture, there is no country. ‘Murkan culture is now splintered, hence the country cannot be governed.

    Result: endless trillions in deficits till dollar is no longer reserve currency. Endless wars. Two parties trying to assassinate each other. Infrastructure, education, morals disintegrating. ‘Murka a cosmic joke.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  157. aandrews says:
    @The Scalpel

    Are you an Israeli army medic?

    • LOL: The Scalpel
  158. By normal accounting standards, the US is bankrupt and the USD valueless;

    The “value” of a currency unit is what it will buy. So long as you can buy stuff with it, it is nonsense to say that the U$D is “valueless”. Its no more valueless than the yuan, the yen or the £sterling. They are all mostly bytes in computers but that does not mean they are valueless. If you don’t agree, perhaps we can agree to swap something of mine for your valueless dollars, or whatever.

  159. @A123

    Even more powerful than a financial incentive is a political imperative. The deep state establishment cannot accept that:

    — Trump obviously won (limited property damage)
    — Khameni obviously lost (dead general)

    Only those with below room temperature IQ’s and/or jihadi levels of fanaticism believe that Khameni came out ahead.

    I refer you to my note at 80, which you clearly did not bother to read.

    • Replies: @A123
  160. @The Scalpel

    Are you suggesting that a satellite photo alone can determine with certainty that a missile hit its intended target?

    When the satellite photos show that the bombs hit the centre of the buildings and there were no bombs that landed in the open (as was the case in the photos I saw), then yes it seems fairly likely that the bombs were aimed. And it seems likely that they hit their intended targets too.

    • Replies: @Erebus
    , @The Scalpel
  161. A123 says:
    @foolisholdman

    I think you missed my explanation for your post #80, which you clearly did not understand.

    Let me repeat that for you:

    It is an objectively proven fact that there are some corrupt Obama holdovers in the military. Lt. Colonel Vindeman was proud to lie on the record.

    Once a lie gets into the complexity of the Pentagon sysem, it winds up being passed on.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @A123
  162. Ahoy says:

    Desert Fox #155

    Your description of your life in Montana brought to mind faces of clean, straight, real human souls that I met during my travels through the plains of Midwest.

    If I were to meet you tomorrow, I would feel as though I have always been knowing you.

    All the best to you and your family.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  163. @In the name

    I love pictures of MBS beside ones of Trump and ones of Bibi. I hope the jumped-up Bedouin realizes that as soon as he ceases to be useful to the US, TPTB will do a Qadaffi on him.

    Gangsters gonna do what gangsters gonna do.

  164. A123 says:
    @A123

    There is one additional possiblity.

    The Pentagon does not release Classified information in response to FOIA requests.

    The document may be a forgery from outside the Pentagon, not disinformation circulating within the Pentagon bureaucracy.

    OFFICE OF THE CHIEF MANAGEMENT OFFICER

    In response to your January 10. Freedom of Information act (FOI) appeal, concerning Iran’s missile strike on US airbase Ain Al Assad in Iraq, on January 8

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  165. Erebus says:
    @foolisholdman

    The Scalpel’s point is nonsensical. It reduces to the notion that Missile A may have inadvertently hit Building B, whereas it was aimed for Building A, and vice versa. The nonsensicality increases exponentially the more missiles are postulated to be similarly “exchanging” targets.

    The fact that all the sat fotos show only direct or near hits on a structure, and very few random misses between structures can only indicate a very high level of combat efficiency. A level that couldn’t be dreamed of by (say) a Tomahawk targeter.

    That’s what shut the warmongers up, and it’s quite likely why the House is suddenly, and otherwise inexplicably trying to repeal the 2002 AUMF. The Pentagon let it be known that going to war would be a very bad idea.

    • Replies: @The Scalpel
    , @Alfred
  166. @Ahoy

    Thanks, the feeling is mutual, this is the best thing about this site, America is a wonderful place, but the government is as foreign to me as King George was to the colonists, George Orwell was right, just early.

  167. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @foolisholdman

    (as was the case in the photos I saw),

    That there is some mighty convincing evidence. I admit it, you got me. Lol

  168. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Erebus

    Erebus, I follow your posts and have previously thought you were a fairly intelligent somewhat objective person.

    You seem to have lost objectivity in this reply. You know that the things you called nonsensical are quite logically possible and not nonsensical. I don’t know what the probability of them being true is, but neither do you. Also, neither you nor I know how many missiles landed outside the target area, or even how many missiles were fired, for sure. That is, unless you are willing to take some government’s word for it. So any calculations based on percentages are uncertain.

    Finally, I, myself, said the accuracy was commendable. After all, they did get quite a few hits in what was almost certainly their target area in general. My only point is what I have just stated. Calculations assuming that one knows for sure the total number of missiles fired, and that they struck their intended target assume two things that we do not know. Thus, they are likely to exaggerate the accuracy of the missiles to some unknown degree

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @FB
    , @Erebus
  169. FB says: • Website
    @The Scalpel

    Doc I think the logic of your supposition is basically sound…but we are dealing here with a technical subject where simple logic is not really enough to give a good insight into the question at hand…namely the Iranian missile accuracy…

    Just like the layman is not going to know how concussions actually work [no matter how much bare logic is applied], a subject on which you did shed some sound specialist insight…so it is with matters relating to missile accuracy…

    A couple of things to keep in mind…no two missiles fired are going to display the exact same accuracy…there is a certain ‘luck’ factor involved in every missile shot [for lack of a better term]…and this has to do with all kinds of things, starting with atmospheric conditions [a little wind gust along the flight path will affect even a ballistic missile barreling down at 2,000 km/hr]…to small differences between the ACTUAL performance of the guidance system…

    When flight testing these things, you’re never going to get a grouping in the bullseye over a flight range of more than 400 km…some will hit dead on, some will miss cross-range [off to the side]…some will miss downrange [short or long]…but averaged out over a number of shots, we get the circular error probable [CEP]…

    We see from the sat imagery that out of nine missiles that landed in that target area…about three or four were dead on the middle of the respective building hit…as seen in the article up on Saker’s blog…

    Now that is about what we can expect from a missile of very high combat efficiency…also we have not heard of any duds or pieces of missile that landed along the flight path…and we certainly would have, had any occurred…

    I would say this Iranian missile tech is quite close to the Russian Iskander, which is considered quite a bogey to those specialists with high technical qualifications in the national security apparatus…so that is saying quite a bit…these guys base their opinions on a huge amount of effort expended gathering reliable intel on flight tests…

    Have a look at this picture of one of the Aramco hits by one Houthi cruise missile [almost certainly supplied by Iran]…that’s quite a bullseye hit…

    All the factual and imagery evidence considered, there is no way to write off this Iranian hit as anything but very impressive…certainly it does not come anywhere close to the BS we saw with the Shayrat airfield cruise missile attack by way of Tomahawk in 2017…where it was claimed that all struck their targets, but actual counting of hits on the sat imagery showed less than half…demonstrably a bogus claim…

    • Replies: @A123
    , @The Scalpel
    , @Alfred
  170. @vot tak

    “The US is working on delivering Patriot missile systems to Iraq in the wake of Iran’s ballistic missile attack, but needs “permission” from the Iraqi government to do so, Secretary of Defence Mark Esper said Thursday.

    Except, as shown in my comment #44 above, Patriots are completely useless against missile attacks. It would seems US bases are extremely vulnerable and it makes no difference whether they install Patriots or not.

    Funny that statement, that they need permission. They’ve been asked to leave so their entire presence there is without permission.

    • Agree: Miro23
  171. @Parfois1

    Never underestimate suicidal madmen.

  172. A123 says:
    @FB

    Have a look at this picture of one of the Aramco hits by one Houthi cruise missile [almost certainly supplied by Iran]…that’s quite a bullseye hit…

    Your picture link is broken. Let’s see if this one works:
    .

    .

    A technical question if you would like to comment. Most of the hits are at the same angle on the onion shaped tanks. These are not the most valuable equipment, but they are likely the most visible.

    Did human operator(s) using camera feed(s) give final targeting?

    The moon was near full on the night of the attack. Where was it in the sky at the time of the strike / What direction was the light coming from from?

    If the moon is at the right angle, the logic would be:
    — Initial hits went after higher value equipment.
    — Once facility electric lights went out the hits were on more visible equipment. The onion shape tanks would have the same ‘brightest’ point based on the light angle, explaining why the there hit in the same place.

    If the weapons were steered in by hand, there may have been operator(s) in country near the facility even though the launch point was outside.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @FB
  173. FB says: • Website
    @A123

    Okay…let’s try this one…

    As you can see this is no huge tank…it is a column that is maybe 10 feet in diameter, scaling by the railing visible…

    How the Houthis scored some of the hits is still not clear…but I can say with good confidence that a good cruise missile terminal guidance system that is not interfered with can produce this kind of accuracy…can…not that it will every time…

  174. dickr says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    jews settling in russia/ukraine makes sense, since they really are a turkic tribe, defeated by russia, and have essentially zero commonality with the judeans of the old covenant

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  175. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @FB

    Thanks for the valuable insights. As always, I highly value your input. I completely agree with everything you said, and actually have from the start. My dispute was with those who claim to be able to make an exact calculation of the accuracy. Impossible when there are unknowns that have not been assigned a specific value.

    I’d say those who assume the missiles hit their exact target have calculated a maximum accuracy. A minimum might be estimated by taking just the missiles that hit the air base, discarding those that did not hit as outliers, then determining the percentage that hit something vs those that hit bare ground taking into account the ratio of surface area of buildings to bare ground on the base. (A runway is problematic here).

    Even this leads to a very impressive accuracy which is why I would agree with your assessment from the start.

    • Agree: FB
  176. I have bit my tongue on this.

    But I am a tad bit confused. If in fact the Iranians launched missiles at the US installations in Iraq.

    That constitutes an act of war —-

    If in fact US military personnel were injured or killed in the attack —

    that constitutes an act of war

    The US should be at war with Iran should any of the above be accurate.

    In my view the US should be in a war posture =- devastate Iran yesterday if not the say before and be done with it.

  177. @EliteCommInc.

    EliteComminc,

    The US ambushing General Suleimani with that drone attack was already an act of war.

    Maybe the US doesn’t think that it has sufficient force yet in the region to escalate or worries about Iran’s counterattack on its interests over there.

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @turtle
  178. turtle says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Maybe the US doesn’t think that it has sufficient force yet in the region to escalate

    Or, possibly, the assassination of Soleimani was intended to provoke an Iranian response, to test Iranian a) will and b) capacity, to respond. Flying an armed UAV into Iranian airspace some time back might also fall in that category.

    Not saying I subscribe to the idea, but it is possible…

  179. @EliteCommInc.

    I question whether an attack on Americans in Iraq is an act of war on America. Isn’t it just an anti-terrorist operation?

    • Agree: Parfois1
  180. Avery says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    {devastate Iran yesterday if not the say before and be done with it.}

    There is no such thing: it won’t be done with it. It will only be the beginning of years of death and destruction in the region, with unpredictable consequences.

    Saker already covered that scenario: US certainly can cause massive devastation to Iran cities and infrastructure, and kill 100, 1000s of Iranians. But as Saker said, all restraints will come off of Iran.

    Iran isn’t going anywhere: it’s their land. They’ll fight for it best they can for years, if they have to. They’ll put the whole Gulf oil production to the torch. Will US economy survive a worldwide economic depression?
    How long will Japan, SK, Europe last without oil?

    Haven’t you guys* learned anything from the previous “be-done-with-it” delusions?
    Iraq was supposed to be a cakewalk, and GIs were going to be welcomed with flowers: how did that turn out? Afghanistan keeps trickle-trickle bleeding US blood and treasure with no end in sight.

    One last thing:
    This is what ‘done with it’ looks like in real life.
    [Second most wounded Iraq soldier recovering in Tampa]

    He lost his youth and healthy body for a lie, and for his commander-in-chief who sent him to Iraq to joke about the wasted lives of these young men**.

    [George W. Bush – jokes about weapons of mass destruction]

    Take a look at it and listen to the well-fed scum laughing hysterically, while 1,000s of young Joels will spend the rest of their lives as cripples.

    That is the real done with it.

    ____________________________
    * Armchair warriors; Chickenhawks; Kabuki commandos;……

    ** I didn’t include Iraqi, et. al. civilian victims of these wars, because I know their lives mean nothing to Americans who think like you.

    • Agree: Hillbob, Desert Fox
  181. L.K says:

    https://news.antiwar.com/2020/01/30/64-us-troops-now-diagnosed-with-traumatic-brain-injuries-from-january-8-iran-missile-attack/

    64 US Troops Now Diagnosed With Traumatic Brain Injuries From January 8 Iran Missile Attack

    The casualty count from the January 8 Iran missile strikes on Ayn al-Asad continues to rise, with the Pentagon now saying that 64 US soldiers have been diagnosed with traumatic brain injuries.

    This is an increase over the most recent figure of 50, and the continuation of weeks of increases starting from no casualties at all and progressively rising. It is expected to continue to rise going forward.

    Iran gave the US advance notice of the strike to allow them time to take cover, avoiding any deaths.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  182. @L.K

    I’ve predicted this on some other thread. Lie #1 was that nobody was hurt. Lie #2 – 11 people were hurt. Lie #3 – about 30 people were hurt. Lie #4 – about 50 people were hurt. That’s lie #5. Waiting for lie #6, #7, etc. Empire stays true to form.

    • Agree: bluedog
  183. KA says:

    https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2020/01/22/now-that-the-middle-east-isnt-worth-it-anymore-what-should-the-u-s-do/

    Why does Martin Indy want USA leave ME .? ME isn’t worth “ per him as quoted.

    Is Israel sensing something , some new opportunities ?
    Using Iran as bogey man ,it wants to insert itself more in the gulf regions and in Saudi Arabia. Is it planning to neuter Sunni as it has once to Catholicism and Protestantism ?

    Kicking USA out will serve one purpose . It doesn’t have to share ME bribes with USA.

  184. Biff says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    I too have filed you as the biggest idiot on the internet list.

  185. @SeekerofthePresence

    ‘Murkan culture is now splintered,

    This is the difference. You mock the diction of White Working class people. I actually see them as the best hope we have for turning things around.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  186. @Carlton Meyer

    I think you’re on to something. Indeed where ever the US presents targets you can bet the Iranians are planning on hitting them. And all this for supremacist Jews and Israel.

  187. @MLK

    Though the US only has a short window (less than 20 years, maybe only 10) as a significant producer, let alone the largest, as it is today.

    However, doesn’t that assume no new supplies are found? There’s a long history of shortage predictions that never come true.

    For example, we have reserves today of something like 39 billion barrels, but that’s more than we had in 1970. Despite having pumped over a 100 billion barrels since then. I don’t believe in magic and I know someday it could truly run out, but I’ve always had sympathy with the view that there is much more oil around then we know.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-oilreserves-kemp-column/u-s-oil-reserves-rise-to-record-despite-production-boom-kemp-idUSKBN1O4165

    • Replies: @MLK
  188. @Paul

    I doubt that nuking Iran will work. The moment after the first nuke goes off I’d bet that Iran and Hezbollah will launch everything they have at every American asset and at Israel and Saudi. And who knows what else will happen.
    On top of which only vile POS traitor would wish to murder millions of Iranians who are not the enemies of Americans. It was Israel and traitorous Jews that did the 911 false flag attack. They are the real enemies of Americans.

    • Replies: @turtle
  189. @EliteCommInc.

    Well you should head right on down to the recruiting office and sign up. Or keep you’re Israeli mouth shut.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  190. Alfred says:
    @Erebus

    That’s what shut the warmongers up, and it’s quite likely why the House is suddenly, and otherwise inexplicably trying to repeal the 2002 AUMF. The Pentagon let it be known that going to war would be a very bad idea.

    Spot on.

    The Netanyahu lovers in the US Congress have had a severe attack of “the shits”, they have decided to try to stop Trump from attacking Iran. Could only have happened if Israel told them to do so.

    Israel told them to do so because they realized that the alternative might lead to Palestine returning to its owners. 🙂

  191. Alfred says:
    @FB

    It is funny how @A123, @The Scalpel rush to try and explain how it was by pure luck that the Iranians landed so many missiles in the centers of their presumed targets.

    Two of the Missiles that “missed” landed in the centers of two T-Junctions in the taxiways. Since the adjacent, much wider, runways are several kilometers long, I think that was either a demonstration of their accuracy or there are some critical infrastructures at these points (data cables, electric supply etc.). In either case, it will scare the hell out of the American and Israeli military.

    Your reference to a “little wind” pushing the missiles away from their targets is no longer true. It is obvious that these missiles have terminal guidance. They adjust their trajectory thousands of times during the final phase of their descent.

    The reality is that the Pentagon has received the message loud and clear. The USA will be exiting the region as soon as it is politically possible. As for the Israelis, they have moved from a situation of having an effective border 20km within Lebanon’s territory to one that is a negative 5km whenever the Hezbollah promises retaliation for an Israeli aggression.

    Hezbollah Hits Back at Israeli Army but Without Casualties (NYT)

    You can forget about the “without casualties” bit. It is the Zionist NYT after all. The reality is that the Israeli army withdrew 5km from the whole length of the Lebanese border because they were scared. 🙂

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @FB
  192. Erebus says:
    @The Scalpel

    Regarding your comment #174, I’ll happily concede that the word “nonsensical” was a poor choice.

    Perhaps a better word would have been “improbable”. Whether it was so improbable in the case at hand as to be “nonsensical” is probably (:-)) an argument not worth having.

    The point is that (AFAICT) only 9 impacts have been identified within the base perimeter, and all 9 either hit something (structures), or came very, very close to doing so (taxiways). The only experience I’ve had with these things comes from my amateurish but methodical scouring of the sat photos of the Tomahawk attacks on Syria and on the Saudi oil facility. Having no professional chops in this field, I did likewise on the Al Assad base and couldn’t find anything that could be identified as additional hits. Not definitive to be sure, but there aren’t any blast marks, craters, or anomalous disruptions marring the desert surface that I could find.

    I haven’t worked out the ratio of infrastructure footprints / empty desert within the base perimeter with any precision, but my ballpark guesstimate would be ~20-25%. Ergo, while we have little reliable info on how many missiles targeting the base never made it there due to malfunction or interception, we do know that the ones that got there damaged some specific asset rather than blowing up some of the base’s ~75-80% empty desert.

    We don’t know the total number fired, but the numbers 16-18 seem to come up often. That is significant because even if one posits that 50% of the missiles missed the base entirely, but treats the damaged assets as targets, a CEP can be calculated, and those calculations result in a CEP of <10M. That pretty impressive for a cheap missile Iran reportedly has 10,000s of. It's accurate enough to be a game changer.

    That the Iranians targeted different assets than the ones they actually hit is logically possible of course, even reasonably probable in one or two cases of tightly grouped assets, but I'd assume that smart targetting focusses on tightly grouped assets to maximize the probability of hitting something unless one were going after a very specific high value asset where one would target several missiles at it.

    A point you didn't address was the external corroboration of the Iranians' success. Namely, their apparently having put the big fear into the American war party. That the House is suddenly, and otherwise seemingly inexplicably trying to repeal the 2002 AUMF speaks volumes, at least to me. Given that they've gone merrily along with their abandonment of Congress' Constitutional war-making power for almost 2 decades, I find it extraordinarily coincidental that they've suddenly seen the error of their ways just as their demands for "maximum pressure" were growing louder.

    The fear they feel, I'd posit, is the same as the Pentagon's… that warmongering members of Trump's administration have sufficient power to convince him to do something even stupider than assassinating Soleimani and their ability to do so must be corralled sooner rather than later lest they endanger susch standing as the US still has in the .E. and globally.

    There's also Trump's reaction – a mix of half-hearted bravado and warm, wet words about Iran, and a cover up that is slowing being uncovered with weekly increases in the number of "concussions". Just as suddenly, the MSM's war cries have simmered down.

    These political developments suggest quite strongly that the upshot of the Pentagon's reports of Iran's retaliation floating around in Washington is that going to war with Iran, or even escalating the current situation is a prohibitively low percentage play. Had those reports stated that Iran's missiles presented a manageable threat, I'd wager that those political developments simply wouldn't have happened.

    Then there's the letter foolisholdman links to at #80. Fakes abound and that it’s genuine is highly improbable, but (IMHO) well within the same range of (im)probability as the notion that the Iranian missiles hit different targets than the ones they were supposed to hit while missing the base’s ~80% open space.

    • Agree: The Scalpel
    • Replies: @FB
  193. @Alfred

    With so many sympathetic Iraqi Shiites around, Iran has the advantage of having target spotters and locators, as well as damage assessors, on the ground, some probably even working on the US bases. Those US personnel haven’t got a clue where they’re at. If they escalate, they’ll find out they’re trapped inside a very hostile environment as this time the local Shiites will be their enemy, unlike when they moved in to take good ole Baathist Saddam Hussein out.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  194. As a final result Iranian attack introduced at least a feeling of helplessness in some average US soldiers.

  195. “Well you should head right on down to the recruiting office and sign up. Or keep you’re Israeli mouth shut.”

    Laughing.

    I find it a tad odd that anyone would challenge that an attack of this magnitude does not justify a response.

    As for my local recruiter —– you assume

    1. that I am not in the system

    2. or that I have already served

    My position on military use of force is stated quite regularly and on the issue of restraint you might want to practice some.

    _____________________________________

    “I too have filed you as the biggest idiot on the internet list.”

    Shocked I say, shocked.

    ______________________________________

    “There is no such thing: it won’t be done with it. It will only be the beginning of years of death and destruction in the region, with unpredictable consequences.”

    ——————————————————————

    These are interesting responses

    1. as stated I opposed the Iraq invasion

    2. Iraq is not Iranian territory

    3. I am unclear, we are not responding because an enemy of the US might respond. I appreciate the authors here, and I appreciate their knowledge and insights — however, it is my understanding that the US was attacked while posing no imminent danger to Iran.

    And there is this, those sending animus my way are utterly missing the point. I would not be the least surprised that you are the same ones who cheer led the US into the predicament she is now in. Despite every indication that it was totally unwarranted. If not despite missing the point — your view is noted. However, if you were on the war bandwagon that has the US stationed in Iraq under current conditions, I hope every morning you look yourself in the mirror and give yourself a wake-up slap.

    all of you sending animus my direction

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Alfred
    , @FB
  196. turtle says:
    @2stateshmustate

    only vile POS traitor would wish to murder millions of Iranians who are not the enemies of Americans.

    Well, there you have it. What do you suppose is now occupying the White House? Sorry to say, I voted for the S.O.B., but I will not do so again, seeing as how he appears to be a bought and paid for asset of the Israeli government.

  197. @EliteCommInc.

    EliteComminc,

    it is my understanding that the US was attacked while posing no imminent danger to Iran.

    How is assassinating Iran’s elite anti-ISIS, anti-AlQaida, anti-terrorist general not a threat to Iran? I just want to know is the US really fighting against the ISIS and various AlQaida terrorists in the region or not. If it is, why eliminate those terrorists’ most successful enemy in the field? Well which is it EliteComic?

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  198. @Commentator Mike

    Agree, AL CIADA aka ISIS and all offshoots thereof , are creations of the ZUS and Israel and ZBritain and ZNATO and Turkey, and the only ones fighting these terrorists from hell are the Syrians, the Russians and Iran.

    This a zionist greater Israel agenda to destroy every country in the middle east for Israel.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  199. “How is assassinating Iran’s elite anti-ISIS, anti-AlQaida, anti-terrorist general not a threat to Iran? I just want to know is the US really fighting against the ISIS and various AlQaida terrorists in the region or not. If it is, why eliminate those terrorists’ most successful enemy in the field? Well which is it EliteComic?”

    1. that occurred in Iraq had that occurred in Iran — I think your point would be well put. It didn’t occur there. But then I would not have made the comment.

    2. you are asking the wrong person. I have a mixed view. ISIS/ISIL was in response to the civil war that broke out immediately as we invaded as the Shia used US forces as the spearhead to attack Sunnis. We stood down, a choice that complicated the occupation. No disrespect intended, but I am less inclined to see Iraqis defending their country less as terrorists than defenders of their home. We would do no less. Al Quada here is another misnomer, before the invasion , who we understand as Al Qaueda had no relationship to Osama Bib Laden.

    3. I am going to walk carefully here. This is the tiger by the tail scenario of sorts. We liberated, if that is one wants to call it, the Shia — the Shia are most aligned with Iranian Shia and the removal of the largely secular Hussein government has opened a vert serious door to a broader Iranian Iraq alliance — but Iran is understandably at odds with the US, a US that remains in Iraq now trying to figure out how to maintain the efficacy of the first invasions rationale and consequence, while at the same time stifling Iranian influence in the region

    more like attempting to prevent tigers in heat from mating , wearing only a toga.

    Just for the record, there are people who challenged invading Iraq , and certainly made it clear that a much larger force was required. I thought the matter required a total war effort. If we are goingf to do something we don’t need to so of that magunitude and possible consequence — no piece mealing. Needless to say the response to me and those who might have been like minded —

    I think it went something like this:

    idiot, dummy, stupid, coward, mama’s boy, sissy, unpatriotic, traitor . . . and much worse, with the ever so predictable “faggot” and “homosexual” references.

    Granted, I am not that smart . . . but I am patriotic, even when I shouldn’t be. And my [political life would be so much brighter if I desired med as opposed to the likes of:

    Miss Tina Turner, Miss Joely Richardson, Miss Anita Baker, Miss(?)Janet McTeer – woohooo . . . laugh and a host of others . . . Miss Rosamund Pike . . .

    all women about my IQ, social financial league by light years laughing. I love excuses to five female shoutouts.

    and a host of others . . . no doubt all better political, social and military strategists than I.

    I fully embrace my homophobia.

  200. MLK says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Sure. Though availability of supply (proven reserves) is effectively meaningless without consideration of the cost (in $$$ and energy) of extraction and delivery.

    Before the resurgence of American production, all producers had an interest in high priced oil and NG. So did alternative energy producers and Global Warmers/Climate Changers. Because of the size of the US economy, the US is in a unique position of favoring a sweet spot on prices.

    My essential point for our purposes here is that, if you knew nothing else except that the US was pulling higher cost (relative to many other producers) oil and NG out of the ground as fast as it possibly can, you either conclude we’re chumps, or we’re geopolitically leveraging it now under the rubric of Use It Or Lose It.

  201. JamesinNM says:

    All evil will suffer the second death at the final judgement and burn for the remainder of eternity.

  202. Herald says:
    @The Scalpel

    That is something very close to circular logic.

    No, it’s simply the most reasonable scenario, in the absence of any contradicting information. .

  203. Alfred says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Laughing

    One thing I am sure of is that your superiors in Tel Aviv are not laughing right now. You have been checkmated. 🙂

    In fact, their panic is so great that they have instructed their minions in the US Congress to repeal the 2002 AUMF law to prevent Trump from attacking Iran. A few weeks ago they were all gung ho and asking for Iran to be wiped out.

    This is really funny. 😀

    • Agree: Desert Fox, FB
  204. FB says: • Website
    @Alfred

    Alfred, the little bit of wind can be in the terminal phase as well…this could include powerful wind shear that usually happens near ground level…this can take down a 747…and has in the past, hence the mitigation measures now in place…

    The point is that no two missile shots will encounter the exact same ATMOSPHERIC CONDITIONS…

    I mentioned only one such example…wind conditions…there are many more…air density is a huge variable on the aerodynamic performance of any flight vehicle…these conditions can vary even minute by minute…the atmosphere is a very dynamic system…

    This is the BIGGEST reason why no two missile shots will hit in exactly the same spot…

    As for the rest of your comment I agree…this was a very powerful demonstration of lethal capability…

    Yes it was enough for cooler heads among the professional military to prevail and say wait a minute, we’re not going to put our service men and women in harm’s way like this…that’s just obvious…

    Also I wouldn’t lump Doc in with the mindless mushroom A123…he was taking issue with attempts by various quarters to make some very precise conclusions about accuracy…he is right in this respect…making QUANTITATIVE as opposed to qualitative judgements is beyond the ken of this author and other amateurs…

    But you don’t need to be an expert to look at those results and see that this missile is deadly accurate…you don’t want to mess with it…

    • Thanks: Alfred
  205. FB says: • Website
    @EliteCommInc.

    The more I see of your drivel the more I’m thinking this guy’s just an asshole…

    Like I said asshole, it’s a good thing ethical officers are saying the exact opposite of your senseless couch bravado and keeping all those kids, sons and daughters, husbands and wives, parents to young ones…OUT OF HARM’S WAY…

  206. @RichardTaylor

    The term “‘Murkan,” to my ear, harkens back to the Texas twang of Lyndon B. Johnson, a founding mafia don of ‘Murkan Xceptionalism, neoconservatism, and warmongering. To me he symbolizes much that went wrong with America, especially the establishment of the behemoth government and the ultimately suicidal attempt at world hegemony. “‘Murkan” has nothing to do with class or race.

  207. @Ed in Salt Lake

    To give you an idea of what a camel-brain Trump is; during the press-briefing on the phony ‘peace-plan’ at the White House yesterday he called the Al-Aqsa mosque- the Al-AQUA mosque! I do not believe this was just a one time phonetical slip up! Trump is a clown and he is doing the bidding of these Chabad fanatics now at every opportunity.

    God Bless Trump!

    He even called the United Arab Emirates as, “United Arab Amateurs”. Though you have to give him the credit that he has roped in Israel and Netanyahu by declaring the borders of Israel, while Netanyahu standing next to him. No more dreams for Netanyahu, the Zionist and Christians’ Fundies for Greater Israel and the return of Messiah.

    They are still “Cow Worshipers”, remember “The Golden Calf” and the Chapter Two of the Quran called, “The Heifer”, which is a separate story from “The Golden Calf”. Though the research is still unsuccessfully going on for “The Red Cow”. To Jews the Son of God and Messiah is Aziz, and not Jesus! Aziz was “The Virgin Birth” who took care of King of Babylon (the Morning Star”). How art thou have fallen…..

    The “Cow Worshipers” still need to learn Pure Monotheism from Islam and Muslims.

    Mohamed

  208. “One thing I am sure of is that your superiors in Tel Aviv are not laughing right now. You have been checkmated. 🙂

    In fact, their panic is so great that they have instructed their minions in the US Congress to repeal the 2002 AUMF law to prevent Trump from attacking Iran. A few weeks ago they were all gung ho and asking for Iran to be wiped out.

    This is really funny”

    i would respond to this save

    your chrystal ball and soothsaying are on so many levels . . . but you do get some of the point.

    Someone may very well have been checkmated. As my comments suggests. Given the posture and the advocacy, and given the missile attack . . . well at least you get partial credit . . .

    Tel Aviv

    Good grief . . . but never let the agenda get in the way of what’s obvious.

    Tel Aviv . . .

    Goodness me oh my. Anyone aware of my constant and consistent positions on the middle east would get the point without wandering into assumptions that are completely irrelevant and as upside as the responses have been.

  209. Alfred says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I am sure the Iranians have detailed construction drawings of all these bases. The Americans are not at all security-conscious. They contract out the work to local builders when possible. Also, they all seem to have debts and are only too happy to hand over stuff like that.

    I doubt very much if the Americans have a good idea where the Iranians are stashing their rockets. There are bound to be decoy launch sites. The Israelis were totally deceived in this manner when they attacked Lebanon in 2006. Their information was false and provided by double-agents. They bombed all the wrong places.

    Of course, the Serbs were superb at hiding an entire army in their mountains. A lengthy NATO bombing campaign did not harm them. Sadly, their political leadership caved in. It did not have to be like that. Russia was unable to help them at that time.

    There is really no substitute for “boots on the ground” in these continental wars.

    With so many sympathetic Iraqi Shiites around

    One thing that the MSM does not want people to know is that the Shia leader Muqtada al Sadr supported the Sunni tribes when the Americans were pounding them. They owe him a big one – that is how it works in the Middle East. It is a matter of honour – a word that is no longer is in use in the West. That means that, in Iraq, the Sunni-Shia divide is largely in the minds of the Americans. More wishful thinking.

    • Agree: FB
  210. FB says: • Website
    @Erebus

    Some good points E…

    A couple of thoughts…I would say highly unlikely that 16 or 17 missiles were launched and that half of them missed the entire base, an area twice the size of Manhattan…

    And where are the wreckages of those that missed…?

    Not sure where those numbers are coming from…

    Also Doc’s suggested method of empty area to structures is meaningless to trying to get a fix on accuracy…

    Here’s what’s going on…those structures that were hit dead center can be assumed with near certainty to have been targeted…why…?

    Simple statistical probability…if one building was hit dead center it doesn’t mean anything…but three is a different story…no way that’s a fluke…

    Some buildings were hit off center…maybe intentional, maybe a miss…

    Here’s the bottom line…the Iskander has a remarkable CEP of 3 meters…that’s the gold standard for a missile of this range…that’s as good as you’re going to get in the dynamic atmosphere we have to contend with. ..

    The Iranians are very close to this…they’re no slouches in the hard sciences department…

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Erebus
    , @The Scalpel
  211. @Assad al-islam

    The “Cow Worshipers” still need to learn Pure Monotheism from Islam and Muslims.

    United Arab what?????? 😂😂

    With Netanyahu standing next to him, is Trump calling UAE as, “United Arabs Amateurs” or something else?

  212. @Alfred

    That means that, in Iraq, the Sunni-Shia divide is largely in the minds of the Americans. More wishful thinking.

    Salam Alfred,

    Not only Iraq, but the entire Middle East, including the Gulf! Gulf is a new name which refrains from calling it Persian Gulf or Arabian Gulf, and it includes both Iranians and Arabs.

    Thanks for giving the Muslims, Persians and Arabs the proper credit, as they (all Muslims) are in cahoots to rid Israel from the World. As Imam Ruhollah Sayyid Khomeini, wisely said that 70 years is a page in history of mankind.

    Imam Ruhollah Sayyid Khomeini brought back Islam to Muslims. It is the belief of all Muslims that every Century a Renewer of Islam comes along, which is usually recognized 50plus years later. All Muslims believe that he is the Renewer of Islam for the 20th Century.

    Mohamed

  213. @A123

    Yes, I agree that the letter could be a forgery. OTOH if it isn’t, it would explain the very muted reaction by the US to the Iranian attack. Further if you look at the photos that the US media, CNN and AP took of the Ain Al Assad airbase after the attack, photos from ground level, in amongst the wreckage, the story that there were “no casualties” looks, even to their own reporters, “incredible”. It would also explain early Iraqi reports of lots of large transport planes and helicopters leaving the airbase after the attack.

    Do Congresscriters have any more likelihood of getting facts out of the Pentagon than ordinary askers using FOIA requests? (I have checked that the man the letter is addressed to, exists and holds the right position, not that that proves much.)

  214. @Nonny Mouse

    “Walky, there are even some people who think the earth is not flat! Can you imagine that, when anyone can see it is?”

    What bollocks. I look out of my window and it’s all uphill in every direction.

  215. @Assad al-islam

    What you call the Christian Fundies aren’t fundies i.e. literalists, they are Scofieldies i.e. Untermyeries, followers of Samuel Untermeyer funded Scofield.

  216. @Alfred

    That’s great news, that the Shiites supported the Sunnis. The Usstanis have relied on creating conflict by inflating sectarian division when it seems those two sides had previously lived harmoniously together. If there is a deluded reliance on divide-and-conquer, good.

  217. FB says: • Website
    @Alfred

    Great observations Alfred…

    The Serbs are a really good case in point…massive air power, over 1,000 Nato aircraft…78 days of air campaign…

    And the longer it would have gone on the more losses of Nato aircraft…the SEAD campaign was going nowhere…a standoff…

    But they threatened to flatten Belgrade, which would have been a massive ship launched Tomahawk volley…this is how the Empire rolls…those massive cruise missile volleys are vengeance weapons, like Hitler’s V2s on London…only Hitler didn’t have nearly enough…

    If Milosevic had the stomach for it he would have seen his city in ruins…and then what…?

    The answer is that the Empire calls it a day and folds his tent…

    Nobody has taken them all the way like that…but Iran certainly would…while also raining down their own vengeance on the thousands of US troops in the area…

    This calculus doesn’t add up for the Empire…

  218. Erebus says:
    @FB

    A couple of thoughts…I would say highly unlikely that 16 or 17 missiles were launched and that half of them missed the entire base, an area twice the size of Manhattan…

    And where are the wreckages of those that missed…?

    As usual, I agree. The notion is far-fetched, given the successes of the ones that found the base.

    There were lots of wildly varying accounts of how many missiles were fired in total, with some Iranian sources saying “tens of missiles”. The Iraqi military said 17 were fired at the base. I arbitrarily chose “16-18” as a worst case, and only to illustrate my points about CEP and targeting.

    I think we all agree that the missiles sent their message and that the US and its local satraps received it loud & clear. The days of “Bomb, bomb Iran” are over.

    Judging by Putin’s extraordinary reception at the “holocaust memorial”, they also got at lest one of the corollaries to that message. Namely, Russia’s place at the fulcrum of power in the M.E. is now de jure & defacto recognized by both sides of the divide. Henceforth, the big issues that need to be solved depend more on Moscow’s acumen and power than on Washington’s for their solution.

    Iran has said that subsequent to Soleimani’s assassination, their goal is removal of the USM from the region. The success of the missile strikes made it everybody’s business to manage things in such a way that the US exits as quietly as possible.

    • Agree: bluedog
  219. Erebus says:
    @Alfred

    That means that, in Iraq, the Sunni-Shia divide is largely in the minds of the Americans. More wishful thinking.

    One need look no further than the majority Sunni Syrian Arab Army that took withering losses holding out under ISIS’ onslaught to see that the Sunni-Shia split is a false meme laid on top of the real political divide between those who willingly kowtow to the US and those who don’t.

    It’s a management contrived meme. The American’s simply overlaid it in order to keep those who were kowtowing to continue to do so, and to prevent the two sides from collaborating.

    False memes lead to weakness and decadence. The Sunni Kleptocracies became utterly dependent on America’s now faltering wagon and now find themselves vulnerable. As both sides now watch the wagon’s wheels come off, one side stands tall and the other is desperately looking for another patron.

    It won’t be the Kremlin. They’re too smart for that. Having made an art out of supporting both sides they’ve set themselves up to be both peacemaker and kingmaker in the region. I’d wager that their role will prove much more constructive than the Americans’, and I’d also wager that everyone there knows it.

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @Miro23
  220. barr says:

    1985 that “what communists call the theoretical organs always end up through a filtering process influencing a lot of people who don’t even know they’re being influenced.… In the end, ideas rule the world because even interests are defined by ideas.”-Irving Krstol

    “The neocons remain the winners of that battle, not because their policies have made the world or the U.S. more secure, but by default—because there are so few genuinely alternative ideas that are championed with equal zeal. When it ends in a fresh disaster, they can always argue that it only failed because it wasn’t prosecuted vigorously enough—and the shuffle will begin again.” https://newrepublic.com/article/156266/neocons-strike-back

  221. Miro23 says:
    @Erebus

    False memes lead to weakness and decadence. The Sunni Kleptocracies became utterly dependent on America’s now faltering wagon and now find themselves vulnerable. As both sides now watch the wagon’s wheels come off, one side stands tall and the other is desperately looking for another patron.

    Taking the Sauds as the prime example, they are looking exposed. They allied with the US/Israel (but their people didn’t), they bet on the US destroying Iran (didn’t happen), and instead, they got their oil installations precision targeted. Now they look like they realize they’re in trouble, and are actually trying to make friends with Iran.

  222. Miro23 says:
    @Erebus

    It won’t be the Kremlin. They’re too smart for that. Having made an art out of supporting both sides they’ve set themselves up to be both peacemaker and kingmaker in the region. I’d wager that their role will prove much more constructive than the Americans’, and I’d also wager that everyone there knows it.

    Netanyahu is praising the Russians/Putin in a way that would be unimaginable for Trump.

    At a dinner in June for the Russian ambassador in Jerusalem, Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu offered some insights into how he had wooed Vladimir Putin into the most fruitful partnership of any western leader.

    First, he paid homage to Tolstoy and Dostoevsky. Then, he thanked the Red Army for defeating the Nazis. He spoke of the million Russian-speaking Jews now living in Israel. And he thanked the Russian president for fighting anti-Semitism. “I have great respect for Russia,” Mr Netanyahu said. “I have respect for its contribution to civilisation and the courage of its people.”

    https://www.ft.com/content/ec5e2090-a7bd-11e8-926a-7342fe5e173f

  223. Erebus says:

    —because there are so few genuinely alternative ideas that are championed with equal zeal.

    I’ve long thought this.

    When the Soviet Empire collapsed, and America found itself with lone super-power status, it also found itself facing the same question as the dog that finally caught a car – WTF do you do with it?

    The Neocons answered and then snuffed all debate with 9/11. Unfortunately, their certainty and zeal was born of ideological delusion and when it came to execution, they showed the world that they didn’t really know what to do with it either. Even more unfortunately, they’re still in the driver’s seat.

  224. L.K says:

    Saker:

    Conclusion: “Israel’s” days are numbered

    The sooner the better.

    • Agree: Nonny Mouse
  225. L.K says:

    The oligarch behind today’s World Holocaust Forum attended by presidents and kings
    by ALISON WEIR, JANUARY 23, 2020
    https://israelpalestinenews.org/the-oligarch-behind-todays-world-holocaust-forum-attended-by-presidents-and-kings/

    At least 45 world leaders have responded to a summons to attend the World Holocaust Forum in Israel to “fight antisemitism.” The event is organized by a Russian-Israeli oligarch who considers support for Palestinian human rights “antisemitic.” He is promoting an Orwellian program that would criminalize “intolerance” and require re-education programs for anyone who strays beyond accepted views…

    The opulent two-day event is entitled “Remembering the Holocaust: Fighting Antisemitism.” The presidents and kings have gathered in response to a summons to commemorate The Holocaust …

    The event is the brain child of Viatcheslav Moshe Kantor, a Russian-Israeli oligarch known for “unscrupulous business dealings” who made his money during the massive plunder of Russian resources that left many ordinary Russian citizens in misery. Kantor is the president of the European Jewish Congress and multiple other international entities. This is his fifth Holocaust Forum. …

    A major component of the alleged “antisemitism” that Kantor is fighting is opposition to Israel’s human rights abuses and apartheid-like system of discrimination.

    Kantor is a Russian-Israeli billionaire dedicated to Israel. He has stated that the creation of the State of Israel is the “biggest achievement” of Diaspora Jewry, and believes that all Jews must work to “strengthen our beloved state.” …

    Like other Russian oligarchs, Kantor made his fortune in the first years of Russia’s “new capitalism”– sometimes called “gangster capitalism” – when, under the guise of “privatization,” Russia’s economy was massively looted, causing ruin to many Russian citizens who saw their life savings vanish, sometimes in a matter of weeks. Kantor’s father, a former Red Army soldier, reportedly served prison time for “speculation and embezzlement of state property in a large scale, taking bribes and forgery.” Kantor was among the many individuals in the Russian Jewish community who flourished; many – perhaps most – of the Russian oligarchs have ties to Israel.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  226. FB says: • Website
    @MLK

    So Soleimani had a ‘plan’ to take hostages did he…?

    And pray tell from where was he going to snatch them…?

    Times Square perhaps…?

    Answer me that simple question with a plausible answer…?

    But I’m not holding my breath…from all the fantasia you’ve posted here I would pencil you in as not quite a member of the reality based community…

    • Replies: @MLK
    , @turtle
  227. Erebus says:
    @L.K

    I’m assuming that was a response to my point about Putin’s reception at the event.

    I’m quite aware of the tawdry origins of that faux memorial. Its tawdriness dilutes the message only to proles like us, who can’t keep their personal feelings and hopes out of the analysis. To those who live, breath, eat and shit the calculus of power, the message remains undiluted. In fact, it was enhanced, and especially so as Putin played his cards closely and wisely throughout. He accepted the fawning accolades gracefully, gave nothing in return, and then paid a visit to the other side.

    One often hears how Putin is “Netanyahoo’s bitch” and how Putin “sucks up to the Israelis” and similar sorts of rubbish. Saker addresses this by pointing out that the Kremlin’s policy of talking to everyone advances Russia’s interests, and is fundamental to its foreign policy doctrine of turning enemies into neutrals, neutrals into friends, and friends into allies.

    So we see Putin hi-fiving with MbS, selling Erdogan S400s, hugging Assad, and welcoming a constant stream of the M.E.’s Kings and Kleptocrats in Moscow.

    We’ve all been watching that at work on an almost daily basis. Fair enough, but I think in Israel’s case there’s a much bigger game afoot…

    My hypothesis is that the Kremlin wants to position itself permanently in the M.E. and leasing bases here and there doesn’t really cut it. Israel has ~1M Russian speaking immigrants and their descendants who’ve never quite integrated into Israeli society, and the new M.E. that’s taking shape will inevitably result in a lot of Israeli emigration.

    The Kremlin, I believe, wants the Russians to stay there, and even increase their numbers so as to form the nucleus of a new, much smaller (perhaps), and much less belligerent Israel from which it can operate much more securely. It doesn’t want to build aircraft carriers at prohibitive cost so it can project power in the M.E. It wants an unsinkable one, for free, and it wants it to look like it all happened organically of its own accord.

    How much smaller, and how much less belligerent is being determined by the moves on the board but it’s clear that the Kremlin doesn’t want the new Israel to be an equally vicious but pint-sized version of the current one. The current Israel and its pathologies will not be there much longer, but the Kremlin will be, and it’s smart enough to avoid America’s error of picking sides. In America’s case, the wrong side.

    In the same way, it supports the Donbas Russians just enough so they can stay put and form the nucleus of a new smaller, de-Bandarized Ukraine when the current one and its pathologies finally dries up, fractures, and blows away.

    Anyway, it’s just a thought…

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Thanks: turtle
    • Replies: @FB
    , @L.K
  228. FB says: • Website
    @Erebus

    Great ‘thought’ E…

    Boy you really spanked one out of the yard with this baby…

    The current Israel and its pathologies will not be there much longer…

    From our praying mouths to God’s listening ear as they say in the Bible Belt…[and Bible Belt and Suspenders in Amish country…]

    I think eventually that will happen because Israel shrinking [both literally in terms of footprint of occupied territories, and figuratively in terms of belligerence…] will calm the entire neighborhood down, which is what is needed, on all sides really…

    But it’s hard to see this while the US is there to constantly prod Israel in the wrong direction…it is really a no-risk strategy for Washington…sure Israel costs some out of pocket with all the gifting…and also actual US boots on the ground [for no conceivable purpose to America] is at least somewhat costly to the grunts [working class cannon fodder]…although the people in general seem a little slow on the uptake and are not exactly screaming real loud and clear that the US needs to get out of these wars for [[[whatever]]]…

    We’ve seen that on this very board with a nutjob that is screaming for Iran to be ‘devastated’ ‘yesterday’ for daring to give a gentle slap in response to a historic act of US barbarism…so there is that demographic…and when are they going to get real…?

    …Putin played his cards closely and wisely throughout. He accepted the fawning accolades gracefully, gave nothing in return, and then paid a visit to the other side.

    Yup…it’s really nothing fancy, just what one might call good fundamentals of diplomacy…but in comparison to its rival, the Russian leadership look like geniuses…

    • Disagree: Bookish1
    • Replies: @turtle
  229. “That means that, in Iraq, the Sunni-Shia divide is largely in the minds of the Americans. More wishful thinking.”

    Absolute nonsense. The Shia moved against the Sunnis immediately as US forces rolled into the population centers. When the marines asked to intervene, they were told to stand down. Even Pres. Hussein before his execution said beware of the Shias.

    Now certainly Iraq is entitled to their civil disputes as a nation. And they are certainly entitled to fight those issues out literally if need be. But anyone attending to the history in the country and the region is going to acknowledge palpable tensions between the two competing faiths.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/iraq/2007-03-01/iraqs-civil-war

    https://www.democracynow.org/2020/1/2/iraq_baghdad_u_s_embassy_protests

    In fact up until the most recent assassination, Iraqi Sunnis were protesting Shia Iranian influence and wanted them out. Al Sadr wanted the Americans out because in his view Shia could deal with the Sunnis without US aide. Whether or not he was doing the Sunnis a favor — laugh — depends on what end the weapon one is on.

    https://www.voanews.com/middle-east/voa-news-iran/will-iraq-return-full-blown-sectarian-civil-war

    • Agree: Bookish1
    • Replies: @Alfred
  230. “Conclusion: “Israel’s” days are numbered”

    I certainly grant that Israel has more influence over US policy than they should, however,

    “Conclusion: “Israel’s” days are numbered.”

    Not on a bet

  231. MLK says:
    @FB

    I’ve laid out the rather obvious indicators previously. Just look up my previous arguments using Unz Corporations fine search tool.

    No one, including you, ever gets beyond spit and sputter. Apparently my assertions are so detached from reality they leave you speechless. You either are or belong hanging out with the Woke Kids that think this makes a winning case.

    Moreover, however strong the case that Soleimani was planning such a gambit, it’s much more persuasive that it certainly appeared that way under the totality of the circumstances. Whether of the “Benghazi” variety or an Iranian Hostage Crisis replay. That was a risk the POTUS/USG was unwilling to take, particularly since the Democrats were on the same messaging page as the Iranian government in real-time.

    By the way, I haven’t entirely discounted the possibility that Soleimani was set-up, so to speak. It was the strike on Iraq-Syria border crossing that killed 25 Soleimani allied militia that constituted a change from Trump’s very public and long-standing forbearance/proportionality. We have no confirmation that Trump ordered that strike. He had (brilliantly) pushed “defensive” actions to the military level shortly after becoming Commander-In-Chief.

    Trump is on track to win reelection in a landslide. The Democrats have grown ever more desperate to derail him. In the context of impeachment, Iran saw an opportunity, knowing that it would be richly rewarded by the Democrats after they reclaimed the Oval Office.

    American personnel/installations are bestride the globe. The greatest threat to them derives from the asymmetric conceit that attacks on Americans are carried out by non-state actors and adversarial regimes like Iran weren’t involved. What this crowd has missed is that those days are done — the current POTUS will hold relevant states liable unless they give the US a head’s up beforehand, like Trump did directly to Putin on more than one occasion.

    What we’ve just witnessed with no recognition, let alone the fanfare it deserves, is Trump’s neutralization of Iran’s vaunted previously plausibly deniable asymmetric warfare capability. Iran got a freebie with Lockerbie for reasons I won’t go into but those days are over. Indeed, under the new rules it better drop a dime lest it get fingered even where not involved or responsible.

    Trump Derangement Syndrome endures. Since 2016, my conclusion was and remains that, regardless of where on the ideological spectrum is rears its head, the psychological driver is Resentment toward him. That’s why it’s not only continued throughout all the winning, winning, winning, but increased in intensity in some quarters.

    After increasingly Figurehead presidents, a Real POTUS was inevitably going to be unsettling. Particularly to Iran, which drew a royal straight flush from Bush and Obama between 2003-2016. The Iranians need to get their minds around that they’re going to have to keep their noses clean regionally while Trump sits in the Oval Office. It really isn’t the end of the world, though that not so Supreme Leader has some explaining to do as to why he wasted three years waiting for the Democrats to remove Trump by any means necessary.

    • LOL: Alfred
    • Troll: bluedog
    • Replies: @FB
  232. turtle says:
    @FB

    not quite a member of the reality based community…

    a.k.a. “Not playing with a full deck.”
    I agree. FWIW.

    • Thanks: FB
  233. turtle says:
    @FB

    but in comparison to its rival, the Russian leadership look like geniuses…

    Amen, brother.

    • Thanks: FB
  234. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @FB

    Respectfully, (and I do think we are all in basic agreement here – and just nitpicking for the pleasure of it lol)

    I mentioned comparing the surface are of bare ground vs structures and relating that to the number of structure hits is a way to arrive at a minimum accuracy. In other words, what were the number of real life hits in excess of those that would occur by random possibility. I am making the generous assumption that all hits were in the target area and any outside that are are discarded as outliers and not used in the calculation. After some thought, I would use the area of the smallest circle to contain all the hits as the total surface area in question.

    In this minimum accuracy scenario we have the assumption that none of the missiles necessarily hit their intended target but they did land within the general target area.

    To determine maximum accuracy, one would assume that all missiles fired hit their intended target. ( this is the method the Saker’s article references)

    My small gripe is/was that the Saker’s method determines the maximum accuracy, not the actual accuracy as many believed. To be objective, one must consider the logically consistent minimum accuracy estimate also.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Erebus
  235. Alfred says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Giving us a link to the Voice of America tells us all we need to know about who is paying your salary for this drivel.

    Quoting Saddam Hussein as a fount of wisdom is hilarious. He was working for the USA and that is how he got into power. He attacked Iran – with the full support of the USA, UK, France, Saudi Arabia and even the USSR. The Iranians defeated this invasion. Later, when he believed the American promise that they would not interfere, he foolishly invaded Kuwait. A total idiot.

    Tell your boss that he should find another website for your “expertise”.

    Perhaps The Daily Mail 🙂

    The USA and its controller Israel are being trounced in the Middle East – because they swallow whole their own extretement.

  236. “like Iran weren’t involved. What this crowd has missed is that those days are done — the current POTUS will hold relevant states liable unless they give the US a head’s up beforehand, like Trump did directly to Putin on more than one occasion.”

    And there it is. There are no those days are gone. It’s the same careless calculation. Evidence or at leat some rationale explanation to justify the act is not unreasonable. Your suggestion that anyone involved is held accountable, even if they weren’t — but is engaged because so and so says so. Thus far this admin has engaged in the same — because we say so as the previous admin.

    There is no brilliance here. It’s the same game — power play because one can. I voted for this executive ovoid having to rely on power plays alone. And yet that seems to be the sole card and then backing out of tight space by exercising restraint as though — it’s all just a show.

  237. “Quoting Saddam Hussein as a fount of wisdom is hilarious. He was working for the USA and that is how he got into power. He attacked Iran – with the full support of the USA, UK, France, Saudi Arabia and even the USSR. The Iranians defeated this invasion. Later, when he believed the American promise that they would not interfere, he foolishly invaded Kuwait. A total idiot.”

    Laughing. I have no idea what you are on about.

    President Hussein was the president of Iraq in Iraq, raised in Iraq, cut his political teeth in Iraq and I think he might have some insights into the nature of the relationships between Sunnis and Shia. furthermore, I provided additional data. My comments do rest on the warnings by Pres Hussein.

    I am definitely owed some serious bank.

    However, that has no bearing on the nature of the relationships in discussion. Whether or not Pres. Hussein attacked Iran or not also carries little weight, save this the Shia in Iraq sided with Iran. My response is to one issue, that the tensions between Iraqi Shia and Sunnis is palpable, has on more than one occasion erupted in violence and led to all out conflict. This region of the world, carries long scars and grudges. The level of bloodshed is not easily kumbaya’d out. And in my view, it may never do so. However, what Pres Hussein manged to do was force a manner of peaceful co-existence.

    Again as someone who opposed the interventions of 2001 – 2003, there are no comments by me advocating for war, unless there is a clear and present danger. Furthermore, the gamesmanship in this matter has been poorly handled. If the level of missile attack is as they say — then I am curious why the hawks or most others remain so passive.

    The Iran-Iraq war is generally considered a stalemate. But if you prefer to see the response to a virulent form of Islam advanced as violent revolution something to take lightly, that’s your choice.

    ————————————————-

    No US citizens shrugs their shoulders at what is reported to be a massive missile strike against the US. Now it may very be that the US acknowledges that the assassination was in err and have agreed to some manner of restraint based on that mistake. But that is my speculation. I hate to put myself in a position that every single word that comes from the government, especially the man I voted has devolved into such a state that nothing, absolutely nothing they say or has been said in the twenty years can be trusted.

    I want to guard my naivete’ and innocence enough to still have hope for more effective leadership.

    Starting with getting our eyes on the prize — the southern border and the impact of immigration.

    Anything that you can do to prompt my getting paid by Israel, Saudia Arabia and Russia would greatly appreciated.

    laugh.

  238. FB says: • Website
    @MLK

    You either are or belong hanging out with the Woke Kids…

    This isn’t about ‘woke’ or any ideology…this is about real world PHYSICAL POSSIBILITIES…

    The simple physical fact is that Iran has no physical opportunity to get close to any Americans…there are ZERO in Iran…so my question of WHERE they would be abducted from is logical and central to the feasibility of the scenario of abduction of Americans…

    As for clicking through your posts to assemble your answer myself…that is not how this or any discussion forum works…answer the question if you have an answer, if not then best say so…

    This is a very clear and valid challenge to the very physical feasibility of the impossible hypothetical scenario you are propagating here…that you don’t even bother to make an effort to defend your thesis is actually very puzzling, since your credibility is tied into this…yet you don’t seem to mind your credibility being flushed without even an attempt to mitigate the fact that your thesis is completely unrealistic…

    We have no confirmation that Trump ordered that strike.

    That is correct…and I for one am not discounting that real possibility…

    HOWEVER…were this the actual case, this would prove beyond doubt that Trump’s power as POTUS is a joke…if he can be presented with such a fait accompli by whatever powerful actors behind the scene, and has no real choice but to take responsibility for it is simply a breathtaking revelation about the true balance of power…

    After increasingly Figurehead presidents, a Real POTUS was inevitably going to be unsettling.

    So wait a minute…after first saying the commander in chief was basically slapped down by an illegal action and a gross violation of the POTUS’s authority by subordinates, now Trump is finally a real president and not a figurehead [like one that would be FORCED into falling into line in the face of gross insubordination…the kind that would constitute a life in prison penalty…]

    But why does this huge internal inconsistency in your ravings not surprise…I already penciled you as detached from reality, you have just confirmed it in spades…

    Iran got a freebie with Lockerbie…

    That’s not a ‘freebie’…that was payback for the Iranian Airbus [flight 665] shot out of the sky by the USS Vincennes with a couple of hundred innocent folks on board…

    It was the strike on Iraq-Syria border crossing that killed 25 Soleimani allied militia…

    Excuse me for interrupting Dreamwaver…but those ‘Soleimani-allied militia’ are in fact IRAQ GOVERNMENT FORCES…fully integrated into the Iraq armed forces as of 2018, with military pay, rank and everything else that goes along with being a branch of the armed forces…

    As for Trump getting re-elected and all of this other sideshow…basically who cares…?

    I, like most people with a half-working brain, are now facing the fact that a POTUS is where exactly in the chain of command…somewhere near the bottom…?

    Look if Trump, who came in with inspiring bravado about putting Washington usurpers in their place, can be gelded so effortlessly by the REAL POWERS THAT BE…then what’s the difference which clown sits in that Ovaltine Office…?

    But the question remains…please answer it…from where are those hypothetical American hostages going to be snatched…?

    Simple question…should not require a lot of hemming and hawing…

  239. FB says: • Website
    @The Scalpel

    Doc, let me start by saying that your questioning of ANY narrative, from whichever quarter, is always a good idea in today’s world of massive deception…[and I think you have been taking some undeserved flak for it…]

    Also your logic-based vector is sound…no argument…

    Maybe a little more basic technical info might help…

    Here’s he problem with taking the ratio of empty space on that airfield to building footprint space as some kind of measure of accuracy…

    Basically, this is saying that the end target of those missiles was an area twice the size of Manhattan…that is simply not realistic…even Soviet Scuds [as opposed to foreign knockoffs] in their later iterations had crept up on 50 meters CEP…this is 1970s technology…even an inertial nav system you can buy in a hobby shop is going to do much much better than that…

    So our starting point is not valid…

    Now…the other big factor is that individual buildings or other structures [runways, taxiways etc] would indeed have been the targets programmed into the guidance system of those missile shots…that is beyond reasonable dispute…

    So the question becomes, how well did they hit those individual targets…?

    From the sat pictures it’s clear that several were hit dead center…when the crater is centered on the building footprint, then that is a sound conclusion…and when THREE such buildings are hit dead center, then yes, absolutely it is an incontrovertible evidence that THOSE SPECIFIC buildings were targeted…

    There is no ‘minimum’ or ‘maximum’ missile accuracy…determining CEP doesn’t work that way…but this is not a case where we are determining CEP, which can only be done by way of tightly controlled flight testing…

    Also there is no reason to mention ‘outliers’ that impacted outside the base because we have zero evidence for that…and by now that would have been long documented…including photos of missile wreckage…

    • Thanks: The Scalpel
  240. MLK says:

    Here’s what those you playfully refer to as IRAQI GOVERNMENT FORCES did:

    https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2020/01/02/photos-reveal-damage-to-us-embassy-in-baghdad-following-attack-by-supporters-of-iran-backed-militia/

    To hear you tell it the USG should have held the Iraqi leadership accountable, giving another freebie to Soleimani/Iran. I wish you would explain why, especially since the Not So Supreme Leader of Iran tipped his hand, shouting that Trump “Couldn’t do a damn thing about it!” — Ayatollah Khomeini’s exact words after the American Embassy in Teheran was seized in 1979.

    As for my description of Trump as a Real POTUS, I was referring to where he falls on a spectrum. He ain’t Stalin. He simply is an exceedingly powerful POTUS, especially in comparison to his immediate predecessor. Despite this frankly embarrassing, playing dumb, response, I still think you’re sharp enough to understand that no President — not even Eisenhower (see Fearless Leader Unz on Francis Gary Powers) — has total control over American forces bestride the world.

    Nor does Trump, or any American president, have the option that Putin had in the Beslan School seige or Moscow Theater hostage crisis.

    • Replies: @FB
  241. “Iran got a freebie with Lockerbie…”

    Excuse. I hold a very tough line on Iran, but the Lockerbie, Scotland mater was Libya and there is some doubt that the accused had anything to do with it — and those doubts are Scottish.

    https://www.britannica.com/event/Pan-Am-flight-103

    • LOL: Alfred
  242. vot tak says:

    Interesting, just got this page when I went to saker.is:

    “403 Forbidden
    WHAT? Why am I seeing this?

    Your access to this site was blocked by Wordfence, a security provider, who protects sites from malicious activity.

    If you believe Wordfence should be allowing you access to this site, please let them know using the steps below so they can investigate why this is happening.
    Reporting a Problem
    1. Please copy this text. You need to paste it into a form later.”

    (A long text of code – vt)

    “2. Click this button and you will be prompted to paste the text above.”

    I posted a couple of comments earlier today and had no problem.

  243. Erebus says:
    @The Scalpel

    … I do think we are all in basic agreement here – and just nitpicking for the pleasure of it…

    I concur that we’re in overall agreement, but I feel a need for a quick venture into further nitpicking… 🙂

    Wiki actually has a pretty good explanation of how missile accuracy is determined here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_error_probable

    When the lesson is absorbed, discussing things like “minimum/maximum accuracy” are clearly seen as quite beside any useful point. The Al Assad missile strikes do not follow a Gaussian/Rayleigh distribution. If they had, that 75-80% empty desert would show a significant percentage of the impacts. Instead, every missile either hit or came very close to a plausible target, with none in the desert.

    Recognizing that point is to recognize that the statistical probability of them hitting assets other than what was targeted is vanishingly small.

    That’s surely interesting from a technical perspective, but the political implications of that are game changing. You won’t hear “Bomb, bomb Iran” again (except from brain-damaged types like MLK). In fact you’re hearing that Washington’s brain-damaged types are being strait-jacketed. They can yelp away in their think tanks, but they’re being reduced to nothing more than an audible increase in the background noise.

    If the USM’s ability to bomb Iran has been curtailed, CENTCOM’s role has been reduced to that of a spoiler. It can make short-term mischief, but the trend ain’t their friend and the trend always wins.

  244. L.K says:
    @Erebus

    I’m assuming that was a response to my point about Putin’s reception at the event.

    It wasn’t, and I had not even read your previous comment in this connection.

    I’m quite aware of the tawdry origins of that faux memorial. Its tawdriness dilutes the message only to proles like us, who can’t keep their personal feelings and hopes out of the analysis.

    As for your analysis, this prole agrees with some of your points and disagrees with others…

  245. d dan says:

    The author writes:

    “Americans have been brainwashed into believing that major wars can be won on the cheap. … But the era of “wars on the cheap” is now long over.”

    As other countries develop more defensive and asymmetric counter-measures to American’s military advantages like carrier-killers, anti-satellite missile, hypersonic weapons, etc, these brainwashed idiots are clinching on the hope of American technical “superiority” to stay ahead of the “bad” guys. Examples of these thinking include:

    1. Stealth fighter will make it impossible to be shot down by missile.
    2. Drone will make a pilot-less attack possible.
    3. Similarly, underwater drone will attack enemy warships on the cheap.
    4. Cyber-attack will cripple enemy infrastructure without costing any American life or money.
    5. Bioweapon will kill enough to cause damage to a country economically, militarily and politically. Even more wicked, a race-specific bioweapon can re-balance global power.

    My guess is that as the number of brainwashed Americans is getting smaller, those remaining ones are become even more hardcore, desperate and dangerous. It pays to be vigilant.

  246. FB says: • Website
    @MLK

    Here’s what those you playfully refer to as IRAQI GOVERNMENT FORCES did:

    https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2020/01/02/photos-reveal-damage-to-us-embassy-in-baghdad-following-attack-by-supporters-of-iran-backed-militia/

    Maybe you’re just irredeemably stupid…the [alleged] ‘SUPPORTERS’ of those IRAQI GOVERNMENT FORCES [FACT] is not the same thing as those IRAQI GOVERNMENT FORCES [FACT] themselves, now is it…?

    Also anyone can write a headline, saying anything under the sun…

    What makes those demonstrators OUTSIDE the US embassy compound in Baghdad alleged ‘supporters’ of those IRAQI GOVERNMENT FORCES [FACT]…?

    Have they been verified as belonging to a club called ‘supporters’ of IRAQI GOVERNMENT FORCES [FACT]…?

    The US had no legal right [under the agreement on US forces in Iraq] to bomb those Iraqi government forces [fact]…in dubious ‘retaliation’ for one dinky katyusha rocket attack that allegedly killed one US CONTRACTOR…[much less any moral right to take such disproportionate measures…]

    Those angry demonstrators that caused minor property damage outside the US embassy is exactly what is to be expected as a street level response by outraged Iraqis…

    You’re clearly a little slow on the uptake pal…[as others here have noticed too…]

  247. El Dato says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Well the Patriot was never meant for MISSILE defense, it was meant for AA defense. It was just that antiliisile was needed to do something, anything about upgraded V2 (which is what “Scuds”) are occasionally coling down on Israel, possibly laden with chemicals. Patriots more or less fit the bill, so these got bought and use. (Israeli were panic-buying gas masks at the time, some couldn’t use them because they refused to shave off the beard…) Managed to shoot down a coalition Tornado MRCA too. Sucks.

    I don’t know anything about TODAYs Patriot system, which is likely completely different, it has been 30 years – forever in military affairs. The old Patriot existed at a time when Ada programming was big (actually Ada is a very nice language) and CPUs ran at 2 MHz.

    To imply that the war stopped because Iraq managed to place a hit on barracks is beyond stupid. Stopping before Baghdad swas a purely fuddyduddy political decision, possibly to avoid nationalist arab anger or Saudis/Kuwaitis being seen as too much in hock with USUK and Israeli interests. At that point, after a few months of Tank Plinking, B52 shuttle bombing, Shock and Awe, Scud hunting, a land invasion by armored forces designed to stop a Soviet advance in Europe kitted out with the gear that emerged from.cold war and SDI money splurges and The Highway of Death, Iraq had nothing serious left.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  248. El Dato says:
    @Walkhumbly

    > Moon landing – obvious hoax

    Anything you say can be distegarded.

    You have no feel for or knowledge of engineering, why pretend to comment on it?

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @walkhumbly
  249. Abraham says:

    Dear Sir,

    Your article is both informative and true to the situation in today’s world. I read the whole article and I have not read any article that is very clearly written so that any reader will understand what is happening on the ground in the Middle East. I have been following things that are happening since 1988 Iran-Iraq war up today. I understand that the US can obliterate Iran, but Iran could completely finish off all oil exports from the Middle East thus bringing down the whole economy of the world.
    This is what we all want to avoid. The US instead of showing enmity on Iran should focus on talking to them as equals – I am sure the Iranians want to listen. The problem with the US Neocons is that, that they support Israel and whatever, almost all the fake news, are taken by the US as 100 % true. This is bad for the world. I want all the people in the world to live in peace and prosperity.

  250. Abraham says:
    @palmtoptiger

    I beg to differ a bit. The Iranians do not want to kill the American soldiers. If you can see what they di was: inform the Swiss Embassy – Iraqi Government about 9 hours earlier. There was enough of time for the Americans to slowly pack up and leave only the things that are not very important. In any real war, there will not be any information of what is coming. When you say, it was not accurate hits, I differ from you. They want to destroy the hangar, drones, and helicopters that hit the General Sulaimani. The Iranians has better missiles that have been used. But they did not use them. They just wanted to show the US that it has the punch. That’s all.

  251. @El Dato

    Had the US tried to invade Iraq immediately after liberating Kuwait, it would have suffered far more casualties than it did after wearing down Iraq for over a decade with sanctions and bombings enforcing the no flight zones. It also seems that it needed the 911 event and lies about Iraqi WMDs before it could set out on that venture.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  252. @Commentator Mike

    The 911 attack was a joint operation by the ZUS and Israel, to be blamed on the arabs and gave the zionists an excuse to destroy the middle east.

    When the zionists get done with the middle east they are going to purge the patriots here in America, we can count on this.

  253. Alfred says:
    @El Dato

    Lunar lander


    Please tell us Mr Engineer. Where did they store the fuel on this thing?

    • Agree: walkhumbly
  254. The Americans have been heavily dependent on ariel bombing and are loath to put boots on the ground. This demonstration of Iranian missile power and accuracy has them in a quandary. The aircraft carriers cannot come within range and their Arab Persian Gulf allies will be more than reluctant to be their launch pads for American planes and missiles. This is going to be interesting.

  255. Mike P says:
    @Alfred

    Don’t you just love that thing? I particularly like the checkerboard pattern of reflective and dark surfaces. There must be some really, really deep thinking behind that particular arrangement. And that expensive looking gold wrap – I bet it’s real gold, too.

  256. @Anonymous

    Yes, I agree with you that the trajectory is the important point. Almost every day now, I see a new crack in the fabric of the “Invincible” AZUSE (Anglo-Zionist US Empire) that but a short while ago seemed so impregnable. I notice in particular the change over the past five years or so and particularly in the last year, the change in the tone of the correspondence after articles in the MSM. Even in such rightwing organs as the “Atlantacist” or the Daily Telegraph, the correspondence, the comments on the article, are mostly hostile to the article and Pro-Putin, Pro-Chinese (wrt Xinjiang and HK) Pro-Assad and Pro-Iranian anti-NATO and anti-Zionist.

    The other thing which seems to be unstoppable is the corruption of the US. For a start it is legal and legitimized as “lobbying” and there is no obvious effort to rein it in. Clearly, most of the money that goes to the MIC, is not spent on making weapons or developing new ones. Certainly some such activity does happen, but my impression is that the actual total effort to prepare for real war is less than Russia’s and much less than China’s. Recently there has been a number of significant failures: Syria, Venezuela, the less than enthusiastic European response to orders increase NATO funding, to boycott Iran and Huawei, the damp squib of the “Deal of the Century” and so it goes on. No one can any longer doubt that a tipping point is coming. The only question is when?

  257. @KA

    You’ve got a very valid point here, KA. Yes, this latest “peace plan” has certainly put Mahmoud Abbas in a bind, even though he’s lambasted it. Israel does take a long view .. but as you rightly said, it isn’t long enough. Yes, Israel has changed every few decades the sociological map of Arab since 1917; and current change was started 20 years ago when Ariel Sharon visited the Al Aksa Mosque.
    Hezbollah and Iran take even a much longer view and have been joined by Syria and Houthi.
    Unfortunately, for Abbas, he’s trying to remain relevant – a very Sunni Arab culture of ingratiating the Zionist, and his behavior only reinforces the long views of Iran and Hezbollah – that you cannot negotiate with the Devil.
    I fully agree with you that Israelis should prepare to leave slowly and find a new home elsewhere. Israel’s not looking predictable nor stable. Henry Kissinger made a similar statement 12 years ago, in which he stated that Israel would cease to exist in 20 years or less.

  258. @Alfred

    Or the $40000000 dune buggy?

    • Replies: @Mike P
  259. Mike P says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    $40.000.000 ? What a steal.

  260. @dickr

    Ashkenazi Jews today — most of the Jews in the USA and in the world — are NOT genetically Turkish or Turkic. They tend to be heavily Semitic (“Middle Eastern”) on their paternal side and equally heavily European (mostly italian) on their maternal side. See Jon Entine column on the Genetic Literacy Project website.

  261. @El Dato

    >You have no feel for or knowledge of engineering, why pretend to comment on it?

    I wasn’t pretending to comment on it, I actually did comment on it that it is a BLATANT HOAX that virtually anyone who takes a small amount of time to investigate will uncover. Even you will come around one day.

  262. @Alfred

    That thing is a complete joke. Cardboard and tinfoil.

  263. Bolton looking like a total grandma FTM tranny in that photo. Is he tiny?

    • Agree: freedom-cat
    • Replies: @freedom-cat
  264. @walkhumbly

    LOL. I was just thinking about that picture of him too. I thought he looked like a big headed dwarf, though! What a creepy evil man he is.

  265. Erebus says:
    @Alfred

    The American Lunar Lander is in fact a sculpture, inspired (obviously) by the Cubist school. As such, it omits lots of details and distorts the rest to make an impression on the viewer according to the artist’s intent.

    It doesn’t have to go to the moon, or anywhere else. That’s not its function. It just has to make the viewer feel like it did… or could have with a bit of work, like any artist’s conception.

    Meanwhile, the Soviet version is more like Steampunk out of some underground skunk works…

    Speaking for myself, I happen to have a soft spot for Steampunk, but I’d wager (a lot) on the Soviet version being closer to a real lander than the Cubist contraption, er… conception, that NASA came up with.

    Which presentation is more believable to the average American?

  266. TT says:
    @Revert Shia former US Navy

    No, both Russia S300 & China HQ9 sales were put on hold yrs ago after some US-Israel interference. Eventually UNSC arm embargo on Iran nuclear program forbid all arms deals with Iran, which will expired this Oct20.

    I seriously doubt Putin will ever sell S400 to Iran as with Syria, that will threaten Putin’s best ally Israel, let alone S500 that even China didn’t get.

    You can read up whole archive of Kremlin how Putin publicly courting Israel as its kin.

    Russia support Deals of Century
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/dont-be-surprised-russia-tacitly-supports-deal-century/5702231

    Russia’s Unspoken Relationship With Israel and the Assassination of Maj. Gen. Soleimani
    By Andrew Korybko
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/russian-eulogies-soleimani-ariel-sharon-shimon-peres-bush-sr/5699615

  267. TT says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Someone posted entire list of passenger names in one site, may be National Interest. All are Iranian names to my surprise.

    If need to, Iran is smart enough to plant a bomb & blame US, instead shooting down with 2 SAM, and then flip flop to admit. So its unlikely Iran’s intention.

    Its probably as what Iran admitted, reinforced by Russia, that the nervous personnel decided to trigger after his was cut off from command post. He was put on highest alert that cruise missiles are coming & he had 20sec to intercept, while that plane was not suppose to head back to airport. A field SAM had no integrated radar to identify the passenger plane, which happened to turn off its transponder.

    Russia also reported 5 approaching F35 ghost image appeared in Iran radars, probably due to US electronic warfare. Also cutting off command links.

    China analyst said Iran SAM soldier lack sufficient training to react in lost comm situation, and was too nervous to trigger.

    Its suspected that US may have a hand in it, since Boeing & Honeywell patented anti-hijacked drone remote control system that are to be installed in all Boeing planes. And the plane turning back with transponder off is suspicious.

    Its unimaginable why iran didn’t closed up airspace during such risky event, allowing passenger planes to take off after launching its first attack.

    Only the black box study may shed some light.

  268. vot tak says:
    @Parfois1

    It’s a problem there. He censors mime regularly, regardless whether they broke his comment rules. Especially if it is one of his pieces or one of the white supremacists he carries or one of his “staff”, such as scott or amarynth. His articles I don’t waste my time there posting anything in disagreement. It doesn’t show up, or he edits my comment to make himself look good. Post critical comments here instead now.

    This hostility from him really got legs after I criticized his backhanded approach at promoting trump for prez 2020 (the man of the year nonsense he selected trump for, he got very upset that I pointed out it was complete nonsense). Since then I’ve been in the dog house there. 😀

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