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In early July I wrote a piece entitled “Does the next Presidential election even matter?” in which I made the case that voting in the next election to choose who will be the next puppet in the White House will be tantamount to voting for a new captain while the Titanic is sinking. I gave three specific reasons why I thought that the next election would be pretty much irrelevant:

  1. The US system is rigged to give all the power to minorities and to completely ignore the will of the people
  2. The choice between the Demolicans and the Republicrats is not a choice at all
  3. The systemic crisis of the US is too deep to be affected by who is in power in the White House

I have now reconsidered my position and I now see that I was wrong because I missed something important:

A lot has happened in the past couple of months and I now have come to conclude that while choosing a captain won’t make any difference to a sinking Titanic, it might make a huge difference to those passengers who are threatened by a group of passengers run amok. In other words, while I still do not think that the next election will change much for the rest of the planet (the decay of the Empire will continue), it is gradually becoming obvious that for the United States the difference between the two sides is becoming very real.

Why?

This is probably the first presidential election in US history where the choice will be not between two political programs or two political personalities, but the stark and binary choice between law and order and total chaos.

It is now clear that the Dems are supporting the rioting mobs and that they see these mobs as the way to beat Trump.

It is also becoming obvious that this is not a white vs. black issue: almost all the footage from the rioting mobs shows a large percentage of whites, sometimes even a majority of whites, especially amongst the most aggressive and violent rioters (the fact that these whites regularly get beat up by rampaging blacks hunting for “whitey” does not seem to deter these folks).

True, both sides blame each other for “dividing the country” and “creating the conditions for a civil war”, but any halfway objective and fact based appraisal of what is taking place shows that the Dems have comprehensively caved into the BLM/Antifa ideology (which is hardly surprising, since that ideology is a pure product of the Dems (pseudo-)liberal worldview in the first place). Yes, the Demolicans and the Republicrats are but two factions of the same “Party of Money”, but the election of Trump in 2016 and the subsequent 4 years of intense seditious efforts to delegitimize Trump have resulted in a political climate in which we roughly have, on one hand, what I would call the “Trump Party” (which is not the same as the GOP) and the “deplorables” objectively standing for law and order. On the other hand, we have the Dems, some Republicans, big corporations and the BLM/Antifa mobs who now all objectively stand for anarchy, chaos and random violence.

I have always criticized the AngloZionist Empire and the US themselves for their messianic and supremacist ideology, and I agree that in their short history the United States have probably spilled more innocent blood than any other regime in history. Yet I also believe that there also have been many truly good things in US history, things which other countries should emulate (as many have!). I am referring to things like the US Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the spirit of self-reliance, a strong work ethic, the immense creativity of the people of the US and their love for their country.

It is now clear that the Dems find nothing good in the US or its history – hence their total support for the wanton (and, frankly, barbaric) destruction of historical statues or for the ridiculous notion that the United States was primarily built by black slaves and that modern whites are somehow guilty of what their ancestors did (including whites who did not have any slave owners amongst their ancestors).

Putin once said that he has no problems at all with any opposition to the Russian government, but that he categorically rejects the opposition to Russia herself (most of the non-systemic opposition in Russia is profoundly russophobic). I see the exact same thing happening here, in the US: the Dem/BLM/Antifa gang are profoundly anti-US, and not for the right reasons. It is just obvious that these people are motivated by pure hate and where there is hate, violence always follows!

To think that there will be no violence if these people come to power would be extremely naive: those who come to power by violence always end up ruling by violence.

For the past several decades, the US ruling elites have been gutting the Constitution by a million legislative and regulatory cuts (I can personally attest to the fact that the country where I obtained my degrees in 1986-1991 is a totally different country from the one I am living in now. Thirty years ago there was real ideological freedom and pluralism in the US, and differences of opinion, even profound ones, were considered normal). Now the apparatus needed to crack down on the “deplorables” has been established, especially on the Federal level. If we now apply the “motive, means & opportunity” criterion we can only conclude that the Dem/BLM/Antifa have the motive and will sure have the means and opportunity if Biden makes it to the White House.

Furthermore, major media corporations are already cracking down against Trump supporters and even against President Trump himself (whom Twitter now threatens to censor if he declares that he won). YouTube is demonetizing “deplorable” channels and also de-ranking them in searches. Google does the same. For a President which heavily relies on short messages to his support base, this is a major threat.

One of Trump’s biggest mistakes was to rely on Twitter instead of funding his own social media platform. He sure had the money. What he lacked was any foresight or understanding of the enemy.

Paul Craig Roberts has been one of the voices which has been warning us that anti-White racism is real and that the United States & Its Constitution Have Two Months Left. I submit that on the former he is undeniably correct and that we ought to pay heed to his warning about what might soon happen next. I also tend to agree with others who warn us that violence will happen next, no matter who wins. Not only are some clearly plotting a coup against Trump should he declare himself the winner, but things have now gone so far that the Chairmen of the JCS had to make an official statement saying that the US military will play no role in the election. Finally, and while I agree that Florida might not be a typical state, I see a lot of signs saying “defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic” with the word “domestic” emphasised in some manner. Is this the proverbial “writing on the wall”?

Conclusion:

The Empire is dying and nothing can save it, things have gone way too far to ever return to the bad old days of US world hegemony. Furthermore, I have the greatest doubts about Trump or his supporters being able to successfully defeat Dem/BLM/Antifa. “Just” winning the election won’t be enough, even if Trump wins by a landslide: we already know that the Dem/BLM/Antifa will never accept a Trump victory, no matter how big. I also suspect that 2020 will be dramatically different from the 2000 Gore-Bush election which saw the outcome decided by a consensus of the ruling elites: this time around the hatred is too deep, and there will be no negotiated compromise between the parties.

In 2016 I recommended a Trump vote for one, single, overwhelming reason: my profound belief that Hillary would have started a war against Syria and, almost immediately, against Russia (the Dems are, again, making noises about such a war should they return into the White House). As for Trump, for all his megalomaniacal threats and in spite of a few (thoroughly ineffective) missile strikes on Syria, he has not started a new war.

By the way, when was it the last time that a US president did NOT order a war during his time in office?

The fact is that the Trump victory in 2016 gave Russia the time to finalize her preparations for any time of aggression, or even a full-scale war, which the US might try to throw at her. The absence of any US reaction to the Iranian retaliatory missile strikes against US bases in Iraq in January has shown that US military commanders have no stomach for a war against Iran, nevermind China or, even less, Russia. By now it is too late, Russia is ready for anything, while the US is not. Trump bought the planet an extra four years to prepare for war, and the key adversarie of the US have used that time with great benefit. As for the former world hegemon, it can’t even take on Venezuela…

But inside the US, what we see taking place before us is a weird kind of war against the people of the US, a war waged by a very dangerous mix of ideologues and thugs (that is the toxic recipe for most revolutions!). And while Trump or Biden won’t really matter much to Russia, China or Iran, it still might matter a great deal to millions of people who deserve better than to live under a Dem/BLM/Antifa dictatorship (whether only ideological or actual).

The US of 2020 in so many ways reminds me of Russia in February 1917: the ruling classes were drunk on their ideological dogmas and never realized that the revolution they so much wanted would end up killing most of them. This is exactly what the US ruling classes are doing: they are acting like a parasite who cannot understand that by killing its host it will also kill itself. The likes of Pelosi very much remind me of Kerensky, the man who first destroyed the 1000 year old Russian monarchy and who then proceeded to replace it with kind of totally dysfunctional “masonic democracy” which only lasted 8 months until the Bolsheviks finally seized power and restored law and order (albeit in a viciously ruthless manner).

The US political system is both non-viable and non-reformable. No matter what happens next, the US as we knew it will collapse this winter, PCR is right. The only questions remaining are:

  • What will replace it? and
  • How long (and painful) will the transition to a new US be?

Trump in the White House might not make things better, but a Harris presidency (which is what a “Biden” victory will usher in) will make things much, much worse. Finally, there are millions of US Americans out there who did nothing wrong and who deserve to be protected from the rioting and looting mobs by their police agencies just as there are millions of US Americans who should retain the ability to defend themselves when no law enforcement is available. There is a good reason why the Second Amendment comes right after the First one – the two are organically linked! With the Dem/BLM/Antifa in power, the people of the US can kiss both Amendments goodbye.

I still don’t see a typical civil war breaking out in the US. But I see many, smaller, “local wars” breaking out all over the country – yes, violence is at this point inevitable. It is, therefore, the moral obligation of every decent person to do whatever he/she can do, no matter how small, to help the “deplorables” in their struggle against the forces of chaos, violence and tyranny, especially during the upcoming “years of transition” which will be very, very hard on the majority of the people living in the US.

This includes doing whatever is possible to prevent the Dem/BLM/Antifa from getting into the White House.

 
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  1. No, it won’t.

    • Replies: @Tony Massey
  2. JVC says:

    Saker reports the obvious. There will be blood in the streets no matter who wins the phony election.
    It is time for all those who love the USA in spite of all its flaws to ready for battle against those who wish it destroyed., We can then work on fixing the government.

    • Agree: VinnyVette, theMann
    • Replies: @MLK
    , @anastasia
    , @Justsaying
  3. Juri says:

    Has anybody idea, what political group controls US WMD ? After all this madness, some overweight lesbian affirmative action hire may want to push the button to save US and world from fascism and Nazism.

    What are the chances for Samson option ?

  4. SteveK9 says:

    I don’t think you have ever understood that Trump is simply an old-fashioned American. His mindset would fit perfectly with leaders like Eisenhower or Kennedy, or even Nixon. What makes him seem different is that he is NOT a politician, so he simply says things at a lecturn that all these other guys would say in private. If you have ever worked in a large or even medium-sized corporation, Trump sounds exactly like all the CEO’s … everything is ‘stupendous’ and all the management moves have been ‘brilliant’. It goes with the territory. He is certainly no more mega-maniacal than Barack Obama!

    Go to a Trump rally if you can, and I think it might be an eye-opener to talk to the people there. I’m sure he will make another visit to Florida.

    If you would like to appreciate the philosophical underpinnings in ‘post-modernism’ of what we are seeing … Critical Race Theory, Identity Politics, Gender Theory, Social Justice, etc. then I recommend:

    Cynical Theories: How Activist Scholarship Made Everything about Race, Gender, and Identity―and Why This Harms Everybody Hardcover – August 25, 2020
    by Helen Pluckrose (Author), James Lindsay (Author)

    I bought this book, because I did not ‘get it’. I thought these ‘movements’ were just natural progressions of people’s thinking … they are not. They are grounded in a psychotic academic philosophy of hate and division.

  5. SteveK9 says:

    Another comment. I keep getting an impression that you believe this loss of ‘Empire’ would be mourned by most Americans … I don’t believe it would be. America does not need an empire, it doesn’t even need another country (in that way it is like Russia).

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  6. … I still do not think that the next election will change much for the rest of the planet…

    Sadly, (and with sympathies nonetheless for the American people) this statement is probably true.

    If anything, mayhem in the USA might make foreign adventurism more attractive to psycopathic politicians in need of a distraction from domestic issues.

    Apart from that ominous possibility, I’d expect that if the USA does proceed to implode after the upcoming elections, the only nations that will experience any tangible benefit will be those who have already chosen sovereignty over subjugation.

    Poodles like the “five eyes” have already hitched their wagons to the losing team, and will have a hard time trying to rebuild any burnt bridges.

    • Agree: nosquat loquat
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @anon
  7. PhilK says:

    If Trump wins, the riots will continue, and then will be ended, if necessary, by US military.

    If Harris wins, the riots will continue, and they will not be ended. Dems started this chaos, perhaps thinking they’d be able to turn it off. But I’m not confident that they’ll be able to, even if they intended to.

    This ought to be the only choice anybody needs to make: Vote Trump to end rioting or vote Harris to continue and expand it. I don’t think the dems can turn the riot machine off.

  8. @SteveK9

    I would like to believe you are correct.
    However, I think that the loss of “Empire” would be seen as a bad thing by most Americans, because most Americans don’t see the US as an Empire, which in a traditional sense, it isn’t. They buy into US exceptionalism, which gives the US the right to tell the rest of the world what political and economic systems they should have, because whatever they have, is wrong, because it isn’t like “ours” or “at home”. As many have pointed out, the average American would have a difficult time finding places like Ukraine or Syria on a map, but believe the US has a right to interfere in those places.
    On top of that, I have spoken with people, who appear to be otherwise reasonably intelligent, that still believe the Russians interfered and Trump is Putin’s puppet, because Mueller’s report said so. In turn, that goes directly to Russia is evil and Putler wants to invade.

    • Agree: chris
    • Replies: @g8way
    , @yurivku
    , @c matt
  9. A123 says:

    One of Trump’s biggest mistakes was to rely on Twitter instead of funding his own social media platform. He sure had the money. What he lacked was any foresight or understanding of the enemy.

    Incorrect.

    Trump uses Twitter to:

    -1- Provoke SJW Globalists into over reaction
    -2- Manipulate the Fake Stream Media into covering the stories and subjects that he wants
    -3- Reach Main Street, Christian Populists

    Creating his own media platform Trumpet might work for #3, but he would still have to use Twitter for #1 and #2. This would make Trumpet both financially and politically risky. Plus, it would consume time better spent running the country.

    The absence of any US reaction to the Iranian retaliatory missile strikes against US bases in Iraq in January has shown that US military commanders have no stomach for a war against Iran,

    The Iranian strike was a permitted PR piece for both sides.

    The last thing the Trump & his voters want is a bill for Iranian reconstruction. The Iraq bill was bad enough. There will be no U.S. boots on the ground in terms of an invasion. The absence of ground action is a political decision.

    If U.S. military commanders are afraid of Iran…. What happened to Soleimani? His death while arranging an insurrection in Iraq is a rather pointed message that the U.S. military can & will act as required.

    U.S. containment of Iran is working. It shows in severely diminished Iranian force quality. Khameni’s Navy is so inept that they managed to block their own harbour. Khameni’s defense team is so bad that it shot down a passenger airliner.

    Patience is Trump’s Ally. Iran cannot survive “as-is” for 4 years of Trump’s inevitable 2nd term. If PCR is correct, SJW Globalists will end the Constitution. Rex Imperator Trump the 1st may have longer than 4 more years.

    PEACE 😇

    • LOL: HeebHunter
    • Troll: Alfred
  10. xaxi says:

    Here we go again; Saker the Trump fan boy is implying that voting for Trump is voting for law and order. But don’t we have almost total chaos right now??? and who is the sitting POTUS?

    • Agree: vot tak, Durruti
  11. anon[354] • Disclaimer says:
    @xaxi

    . But don’t we have almost total chaos right now???

    Lol, no, not even close. Stop smoking dope all night while hanging on Twatter!

  12. g8way says:
    @Curmudgeon

    American Exceptionalism has never been equivalent to Manifest Destiny, and that’s not how the average American thinks of it. Americans have historically been highly anti-interventionist, and they are still mostly anti-interventionist. The America First Committee was not contrary to American Exceptionalism. Before WWI, Americans did not like the AngloZionist empire, and they have only very gradually come to realize the US has been subsumed by it, and they haven’t been happy about it.

    • Replies: @Moi
    , @Eugene Norman
  13. Franz says:

    Each and every BLM riot makes thoughtful Americans aware that Marcus Garvey, among others, is looking better all the time.

    Let the crazies rant and riot. White and black Americans who want a normal life see it for what it is, a prelude to disunification along racial and cultural lines.

    The empire can go right ahead and die. What fool thinks it won’t?

    Billions for fleets and armies overseas while cities burn, states are plundered? A planned demolition if there ever was one.

    • Replies: @omegabooks
  14. IvyMike says:

    This little bit of urban violence is minor compared to episodes during the 1920s, 1930s, and 1960s.

    • Agree: JohnPlywood
    • LOL: VinnyVette
  15. Anonymous[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @xaxi

    So we should vote for the party that is causing the chaos? I don’t follow your reasoning.

  16. Trump’s biggest flaw is his uncritical support of Israel and its war crimes in Palestine. But Biden is no different, is he?

    • Agree: omegabooks, dogbumbreath
    • Replies: @VinnyVette
  17. Excellent analyses Saker, completely agree. With one caveat. The U.S. has not killed more innocent people than any other country in the world. That honor would go to your beloved mother Russia and China, who slaughtered or starved millions of their own people.

    • Agree: HeebHunter, Corrupt
    • Disagree: Biff
    • Troll: vot tak
  18. @Fidelios Automata

    His biggest flaw is not standing up for and protecting the people who put him in office. His shilling for Israel would be his second biggest flaw.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  19. Exile says:

    Neither side offers an alternative to the present disintegration. They are a choice between cyanide and arsenic. There is no reasonably reliable basis or track record on which to base which fatal choice you make.

    I’ll stick with my prior observation that Saker is out of his element in analyzing U.S. domestic politics. No shame in it – most non-Americans are along with most of us as well.

    It will take a third party that can unify both “Left” and “Right” legitimate opposition to make a real difference. So long as still-majority American Whites remain divided by artificial Zio-approved categories that don’t give them what they really want and need – a conservative social and foreign-policy agenda and a pro-social economic agenda – they will remain a race divided against their own interests.

    Saker’s odd brand of anti-racism and anti-identitarianism makes him blind to this element even as he admirably opposes Zionism. He gets that part right.

  20. Z-man says:

    Demolicans and the Republicrats

    C’mon get it right Dumbo’kratz and Republi’tards.

    Trump in the White House might not make things better, but a Harris presidency (which is what a “Biden” victory will usher in) will make things much, much worse.

    Exactly!

    The “years of transition” must be rolled back. Stop all third world immigration now!

    This includes doing whatever is possible to prevent the Dem/BLM/Antifa from getting into the White House.

    Good you see the light.

    • Agree: GeneralRipper
    • Replies: @Ray Caruso
  21. johnwho says:

    One might wonder if the money behind the DNC even wants their candidate to get elected.
    Support and finance the candidate who is embroiled in the Ukraine scandal and the profits his son got out of China? Can’t really express himself well in any situation?
    40 years in government and next to nothing to show it? Maybe his supporters don’t want the Democrats to be elected.
    The only thing which is puzzling is that Tulsi Gabbard ruined her political career by endorsing Joe Biden when she was forced out … ???

    • Agree: Onan the Barbarian
    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  22. johnwho says:
    @Exile

    Semi-colons.
    ‘most non-Americans are along with most of us as well.’ Should read ‘most non-Americans are; along with most of us as well.’ Make your point clearly.

    • Troll: Exile, VinnyVette
    • Replies: @Exile
    , @RadicalCenter
  23. Joe Doaks says:

    Whatever happens on the first Tuesday in November, Trump will still have at least nearly three months of his presidency left. He needs to plan now for how he will use 10 U.S.C. sec. 253 and 18 U.S.C. secs. 241 and 242. A tremendous amount of useful work can be done with those tools when he has nothing more to lose (because he has lost the election) or to gain (because he has won it). All that is necessary is audacity.

    • Replies: @Bill
  24. Anon[381] • Disclaimer says:

    I wish the White House and congress moved out of Washington D.C.

    Its simply too black there now. The image of the White House being surrounded during the George Floyd riots really brought this to my attention. I want the capitol in a very Red State. Knoxville, Tennessee. Lexington, Kentucky. Columbus, Ohio. Indiannapolis, Kansas City. Lincoln, Nebraska.
    The White House needs to be about 500 yards behind the fence with Ft. Knox-like security with automatic-photo-eye-beam machine guns with signs that inform you that you WILL be shot if you climb the fence.

    Hopefully after Trump wins, many arrests get made of the people behind the anarchy we have endured for the last several months with decades long federal sentences handed down.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Hans Vogel
  25. @SteveK9

    Trump is simply an older American. The grandchildren of his fellow Hollis Hills elite are the ones banging the Critical Race Theory drums the hardest. These people simply raised their descendants poorly.

    Case in point being Javanka.

  26. “In 2016 I recommended a Trump vote for one, single, overwhelming reason: my profound belief that Hillary would have started a war against Syria and, almost immediately, against Russia (the Dems are, again, making noises about such a war should they return into the White House).”

    I believe Clinton would not have risked WW3 for the sake of the hopeless jewish-supremacist agenda. We know she has no problem mass-murdering people in far away places, but she didn’t get into politics to become a suicide bomber. The elders need a deranged ideologue like Trump to risk WW3, not a career political opportunist like Clinton or Biden.

    “As for Trump, for all his megalomaniacal threats and in spite of a few (thoroughly ineffective) missile strikes on Syria, he has not started a new war.”

    Sheesh…not this cliche again. He’s obviously TRIED to start a war with Iran at least twice (not to mention the other provocations). That the Iranians didn’t take bait and spill blood in return – thereby giving Trump the pretext he was apparently looking for – reflects positively on the Iranian government, not the orange clown regime.

    “By the way, when was it the last time that a US president did NOT order a war during his time in office?”

    By the way, when was the last time the “Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists” moved the hands of the “doomsday clock” to 100 seconds before “midnight”?

    The main reason another war hasn’t started (yet) is because of the restraint of the other parties involved, not because Trump is a reasonable person.

    • Agree: Bill, anaccount
    • Disagree: VinnyVette
    • Troll: GeneralRipper
    • Replies: @Precious
    , @VinnyVette
  27. Larry says:

    Only a historic resounding defeat of the democrats will stop their support of violence.

  28. @PhilK

    “If Harris wins, the riots will continue, and they will not be ended. Dems started this chaos …”

    With no disrespect, you’re missing the point:

    “One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship” – Orwell

    Regards

  29. TKK says:

    It is far more precarious to be a white person in 2020 than it was in 2016 when Trump was elected.

    Trump is a salesman- first, last and always. He has sold condos, slot machines, fake college degrees and knick knacks. He then sold the despondent and abused white middle class a “pig in a poke.”

    The Wall.
    Deporting Immigrants.
    Manufacturing Jobs.
    Hillary in Prison.

    He didn’t mean any of it. The instincts of the middle class are all correct to protect our borders, jobs and culture. But to Trump- it’s akin to selling a used Benz or moldy hotel.

    He doesn’t mean anything he says. When he panders to black felons, he is selling an image of a good guy to blacks. When he is talking with military, he is selling the somber patriot. When he is with Latinos, he is signaling he appreciates their work ethic.

    To be sure- that is all politicians. But, with Trump, his lack of intellectual curiosity and short attention span make him exceptionally vacuous.

    He doesn’t have to sell anything to the whites—just crumbs— because he is all we have.

    For all his flaws, he is the only obstacle standing between us and Harris signing an executive orders to authorize a committee to investigate reparations to people of color. And that would be the start of her glib brutality.

    He’s all we have.

    And he knows it.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
    , @Redman
  30. One of Trump’s biggest mistakes was to rely on Twitter instead of funding his own social media platform. He sure had the money. What he lacked was any foresight or understanding of the enemy.

    Trump essentially does not understand what he is fighting, perhaps as a result of his roots in ultra-liberal New York City, where for decades he got along with “liberals” on a superficial level. Trump does not understand—because if he understood, he would have done a lot of things differently—that “liberals” are not just political opponents but existential opponents. They are malignant nihilists who unerringly take the side of evil, falsehood, ugliness, and filth on all issues, all the way, all the time. To be sure, most “liberals” did not start out as profoundly malevolent and utterly pathological individuals, but the ones who actually set the “liberal” agenda are just that kind of individual, and the all the ovine intellectual mediocrities follow their lead because “liberalism” is fashionable.

    • Agree: TKK
    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  31. jsinton says:

    The name of this move it “Fall of the Roman Empire II”.

  32. @Z-man

    Demoncraps and Republicunts.

  33. @A123

    So speakerth the Mossad troll for Zionist supremacy. He has a hardon against the Hezbollah whom the IOF (middle initial standing for OFFENSIVE) desperately fear as those guardians of Lebanon gave them two black eyes and a bloody nose. He has a super hardon against Iran as they are an ancient culture and the deadly enemy of Eretz Yisroel. This time the ruler of Iran does not have the harlot Esther whispering in his ear calling for the death of the enemies of the “Chosen”.

    To be sure, 95% of today’s chosen are not even descended from the ancient Hebrews, but are mostly Turco-Ugrian Khazarians,

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @ariadna
  34. @VinnyVette

    VV: It was not the Russian and Chinese nations which massacred those millions. Guilty parties were the mostly (Tribal) Bolsheviks in Russia and Mao and his CCP in China. You sound like some media-mesmerized moronic “Murrikkkan”.

    • Agree: Sya Beerens
    • Replies: @VinnyVette
  35. @Exile

    Ultimately the duopoly parties must go…logically over the next 2-4 years. In the meantime, the Democraps have turned totally toxic.

  36. Half Back says:
    @SteveK9

    This was in the Australian Newspaper- since it is behind a paywall i will put the article in full-
    see below-

  37. Half Back says:

    The Australian article

    Tracing the dangerous rise and rise of woke warriorsPaul Kelly
    James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose, aware they will face a ferocious backlash, make clear they believe in gender, racial and LGBT equality.

    [MORE]

    12:00AM September 12, 2020
    466 Comments

    At last comes an attempt to explain the extraordinary origins of the cultural revolution of our times — the onslaught against the liberal order by woke crusaders waging a zero-sum struggle in the cause of racial, sexual, gender, disability and other identities across our institutions.

    For many Australians the new culture seems to have erupted from outside their experience — almost from another planet — yet its momentum is immense and it is winning acceptance among leaders, public servants, corporations, schools, not-for-profits and most notably in our universities.

    What is the meaning of this cultural revolution? Where did it come from? Like all revolutions it began with a body of ideas that fermented over decades, but there is no doubting the purpose of these ideas — the dismantling of universal liberalism based on respect for each person regardless of identity. On display in Australia, North America and Britain is a common occurrence in history, where in good faith influential leaders and institutional decision-makers are implementing policies without understanding their origins or ultimate purpose as propounded by their intellectual originators.

    This is where Helen Pluckrose, a liberal political and cultural writer living in England, and James A. Lindsay, a mathematician and founder of New Discourses, based in Tennessee, come into the picture. They were two of three authors of the Grievance Studies Hoax from 2017 where they submitted bogus and absurd papers to academic journals and were published. Their aim was to expose the intellectual bankruptcy underpinning the cultural revolution and how far its woke crusaders had departed from science, reason and genuine scholarship. This now becomes a bigger, more serious project, with their book Cynical Theories: How Activist Scholarship Made Everything about Race, Gender and Identity — and Why This Harms Everybody, published in the US and released in Australia next week.

    “The progressive left has aligned itself not with Modernity but with postmodernism which rejects objective truth as a fantasy dreamed up by naive and/or arrogantly bigoted Enlightenment thinkers,” they argue. “Postmodernism has, depending upon your view, either become or given rise to one of the least tolerant and most authoritarian ideologies that the world has had to deal with since the widespread decline of communism and the collapse of white supremacy and colonialism.”

    Harvard University’s Steven Pinker, psychologist and public intellectual, said of the book that it “exposes the surprisingly shallow intellectual roots of the movements that appear to be engulfing our culture”. This book is not for the faint-hearted. It seeks to explain where these ideas came from. It should be read by every institutional leader and executive so they understand the ideological goals that lie beneath the policies they are implementing.
    READ MORE:Social Justice ‘officers’ rise from campus to control us

    The authors trace the academic origins and evolution of each element in the intellectual revolution: postcolonial theory, queer theory, critical race theory and intersectionality, disability and fat studies, and social justice scholarship and thought. The central organising principle of the revolution assumes that humans are defined by a series of identities and that “every interaction, utterance and cultural artefact” slots into a power dynamic where everybody is the oppressed or an oppressor.

    Their thesis is the revolution has its origins in postmodernism from the 1960s that saw the individual as a product of culturally constructed knowledge. From this point, there were two leaps forward — the second phase (roughly 1990 to 2010) when the ideas began to be applied and the decisive third phase (from 2010) when Social Justice Theory was asserted as a body of fundamental truth.

    The authors say: “Theory has become increasingly confident and clear about its beliefs and goals. We can see its impact on the world in their attacks on science and reason.” The result is a “complete conviction that knowledge is constructed in the service of power which is rooted in identity”.

    They write: “Therefore, in Social Justice scholarship, we continually read that patriarchy, white supremacy, imperialism, cisnormativity, heteronormativity, ableism and fatphobia are literally structuring society and infecting everything. They exist in a state of immanence — present always and everywhere, just beneath a nicer-seeming surface that can’t quite contain them.”

    Society is seen as simplistically divided into dominant and marginalised identities. But there is one identity largely missing — economic class. It is barely mentioned unless tied into another identity or “intersectionality”. It is, therefore, the authors say, “no surprise that many working class and poor people often feel profoundly alienated from today’s left”.

    The cultural revolution is seen by many old-fashioned Marxists as a bourgeois idea. There is one certainty — the more progressives accept this identity-based revolution driven by upper-middle-class scholars and activists, the more the centre-left of politics will splinter.

    The foundation of Social Justice scholarship is concern “with what is said, what is believed, what is assumed, what is taught, what is conveyed and what biases are imported”. This means the lived experiences, the emotions and cultural traditions of minority groups must be recognised as “knowledges” and gain status or superiority over reason and evidence-based knowledge.

    The authors say: “We find ourselves faced with the continuing dismantlement of categories like knowledge and belief, reason and emotion, and men and women, and with increasing pressures to censor our language in accordance with The Truth According to Social Justice.”

    Their chapter on race captures the dilemma. Through the work of many academics Critical Race Theory has developed, arising from the idea of “positionality” — that one’s position in society as determined by group identity dictates how one understands the world and is understood by the world. Hence the dictum that “racism is ordinary, not aberrational” and is the “everyday experience of people of colour” and that “racism is present everywhere and always”.

    Pluckrose and Lindsay write of the consequences of Critical Race Theory: “We are told that racism is embedded in culture and that we cannot escape it. We hear that white people are inherently racist. We are told that racism is ‘prejudice plus power’, therefore, only white people can be racist. We are informed that only people of colour can talk about racism, that white people need to just listen.

    “We hear that not seeing people in terms of their race (being colour-blind) is, in fact, racist and an attempt to ignore the pervasive racism that dominates society and perpetuates white privilege.”

    The influential reader Critical Race Theory by Richard Delgado and Jean Stefancic says the Theory “tries not only to understand our social situation but to change it”. The scholarship has its mission of social transformation. Racism, of course, does exist. Where it exists, it is a scourge on society.

    But to the extent that Critical Race Theory prevails — to the extent that universities, bureaucracies, institutions and decision-makers accept this doctrine — then examples of racism will expand indefinitely since this is what the Theory dictates. The Theory asks not “Did racism occur?” but rather “How did racism manifest in that situation?” Once this becomes the question, then all organisations are vulnerable to racism accusations.

    Because racism is everywhere — from football to business to the arts — Theory demands the task is to reveal its endless forms, and a new layer of managers and inclusion officials are appointed to institutions around the country to do just that.

    The upshot is obvious: Australia along with other nations is seen as a more racist country. As Critical Race Theory takes hold, this trend will only intensify. Any individual who fights against the Theory is deemed by the Theory to be racist anyway and will be condemned as racist by activists or the diversity police.

    Social Justice Theory, therefore, in the contemporary sense has broken decisively from the various human rights and civil rights campaigns of the 1960s whose aim was to remove discrimination and bigotry and seek to enshrine all individuals in the liberal order. It is easy to assert the failure of this goal but equally easy to overlook the progress that has been made.

    Central to the authors’ thesis is the pivotal distinction between Social Justice Theory and genuine social justice as a legitimate philosophy seeking a fairer social order. Many well-intentioned people give up resisting Social Justice Theory fearing they will be branded and punished since it is not easy to defend universal liberal respect for all individuals against those pressing identity politics and claiming to represent social justice. Many liberals, having never before faced these arguments, are incapable of resisting the tide.

    The authors examine the impact of Kimberle Crenshaw, the prime architect of intersectionality, the idea that people can be marginalised in multiple ways — by gender, race, sex and other dimensions — seeing her 1991 essay Mapping the Margins as a turning point in elevating identity politics over liberal universalism.

    Writing nearly 30 years ago, Crenshaw saw identity politics “as a source of strength” for African-Americans, gays and lesbians but recognised it was “in tension with dominant conceptions of social justice”. The authors see intersectionality as “the seed that would germinate as Social Justice scholarship some 20 years later”.

    They say it “does the same thing over and over again: look for the power imbalances, bigotry and biases that it assumes must be present” and assumes that, in every situation, some form of theoretical prejudice exists. In this sense liberal individualism — treating people the same regardless of identity — is seen as “at best, a naivety about the reality of a deeply prejudiced society and at worst, a wilful refusal to acknowledge that we live in that kind of society”.

    One of the myths the authors tackle is the frequent claim that individuals who lose their jobs or standing because of woke doctrines represent only a minor problem for society. Many people ask: it’s no big deal, why are we getting so excited? The answer, the authors point out, is that while less than 10 per cent of the population probably espouse these theories, such ideas are becoming dominant across institutions. People leave universities as believers in Social Justice Theory and move into the public and private sectors becoming part of the mission statements of institutions pledging to change their organisational culture. Referring to the situation in Britain, the authors say equity, diversity and inclusion officers are spreading nearly everywhere — schools and universities, the police, large private sector companies, the civil service and local authorities. In Britain “more than 50 per cent of universities restrict speech especially certain views of religion and trans identity”.
    By Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay
    By Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay

    Indeed, once universities open the door to Social Justice scholarship and ethics they “completely displace reliable and rigorous scholarship into issues of social justice by condemning all other approaches as complicit with systemic bigotry and thus unthinkable — or, in practice, unpublishable and punishable”.

    In a remark relevant to Australia the authors made the general comment: “It is perhaps not surprising that large corporations have caved in so easily to Social Justice pressure. Their overriding goal is, after all, to make money, not to uphold liberal values.” Since most consumers and voters in Western countries support the general idea of social justice — and don’t know the difference between social justice and Social Justice Theory — submission is the easier route.

    Meanwhile social justice activists are astute in targeting cultural opinion leaders, often from the left, seeking their compliance; witness incidents involving Ellen DeGeneres, Kevin Hart, Matt Damon, Martina Navratilova and J K Rowling.

    The future is already here: jobs being filled on the basis of identity, indeed, even being advertised on the basis of identity; demands that actors play characters only from their own identity group; writers being forbidden to “speak into” the oppression of others; and just this week, from Hollywood, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts defined content rules for films — story content must reflect and feature under-represented groups based on identity politics — so expect more pressure on books, movies, plays and paintings.

    The authors, aware they will face a ferocious backlash, make clear they believe in gender, racial and LGBT equality. Nor do they seek to attack universities and scholarship in general. But they offer a devastating indictment of Social Justice Theory.

    Indeed, it is guaranteed to accentuate a backlash from right-wing populists. The Theory is getting traction now when times are tough, when liberalism and democracy seem tired — and there is truth enough in this. The power of Social Justice Theory is that it derives from an interpretation of human nature and a theory of society. Radical new ideas appeal, that’s part of the human condition. They always have, but as the authors say, the perfect is the enemy of the good.

    Humans are susceptible to utopianism, a big theory that looks good on paper, even if it is authoritarian, fundamentalist and hostile to human nature. The authors say bad theories look good on paper and terrible in practice, witness communism. Yet the journey to such realisation is often decades long. The authors call Social Justice “a nice-looking Theory that, once put into practice, will fail and which could do tremendous damage in the process”. Their central message shines through the book: “Postmodern Theory and liberalism do not merely exist in tension: they are almost directly at odds with one another.”

    How long before this central truth is recognised?
    Paul Kelly
    Editor-At-Large

  38. Alfred says:
    @A123

    Iran cannot survive “as-is” for 4 years

    America and Israel have been saying that for 40 years. Today, Iran is supported by both Russia and China – which was not the case not so long ago. The USA on the other hand is dissing its putative allies.

    The reality is that the USA is slowly moving out of the Middle East. Israel now abandons its borders with Lebanon and Syria when they fear that they will be attacked by Hezbollah.

  39. Here comes the ultimate Judeo-cracker:

    https://www.rt.com/usa/500709-trump-threatens-iran-attack/

    So. is he just grovelling to his Gods or is he setting up a false flag?

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  40. GMC says:

    The domestic USA can go down in flames, but the NWO and their foreign policy can go on for a long time because they have the Federal reserve money, the drug and weapons money, and the international corporate money. And I’m sure there are more donors out there – too. Remember, this was all planned.

    • Agree: Biff
    • Replies: @Biff
  41. @Exile

    A third party would stand against the ingrained elite’s interests.

    It would have to implement campaign reform, draw down the lobbyist class, the golden parachute class, the military, and then regulate to make sure that all of them can’t return, and make sure it itself can’t be bought out (only possible with semi-direct democracy imo).

    Unfortunately each of those steps will get a violent reaction from the current elites, who can’t see clearly enough any more to affect positive change without getting guillotined.

    Trump does seem to get it though, so he’s the best bet otside of full scale bottom up revolution imo.

    • Replies: @Exile
  42. @obwandiyag

    You’re s stupid dindu with nothing worthwhile to say ever.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  43. @A123

    Being a paid kike comment typing monkey is a sad existence.

    • LOL: Bro43rd
  44. PetrOldSack says:
    September 15, 2020 at 3:28 am GMT • 100 Words ⇑

    Is the possibility real that Trump could be “Patton-ed”, “Martin Luther-ed”, “Navalny-ed” et al. ? Since gossiping busily about the elections is such a big thing here at unz.com, since talking has it´s own agency, could my suggestion even upper the chances, and when would be the most appropriate moment? Would be a great leading article, as to comments expected.

    Since the public domain political personnel are second rate actors, it would really entice the reality show of the election year. It is obvious that the effect desired of all political behind the scenes policy makers is to keep the surplus population in a trance. If it was for restoring law and order, that would be a twenty four hour thing. It is again obvious that stirring the streets is part of the attention seeking. For internal US consumption only. Most “Americans” are just that, surplus population, and the middle class, suicidal in the long run, is paid scraps to keep the commoners in turmoil. At worst a story about the Trump life and limbs assessment would be another day´s fodder to the crowds. Reality TV has it´s own demands!

  45. This is all a planned programme of Hegelian dialectic – thesis (law and order leading to police brutality and political injustice, antithesis (social justice through rioting, defunding the police, censorship by Big Tech), synthesis (establish martial law, override the Bill of rights by creating a permanent state of national emergency and rule by Big Corp through political despots). Result: End of the United States as we have known it. All this, and more on a global basis as the international bankers (you-know-who) establish the New World Order “reset”.

    • Agree: GMC
  46. vot tak says:

    “This includes doing whatever is possible to prevent the Dem/BLM/Antifa from getting into the White House.”

    About this time last year saker wrote a couple articles in which he surreptitiously promoted the trump campaign. One he named trump as his choice for man of the year, because trump had not invaded any country officially, so therefore was the “peace candidate”.

    During the 2016 campaign, he and scott went full bore supporting trump’s run. After the regime changeover , when it became clear trump’s rhetoric about reducing american aggression was simply election lies to gain a few extra votes, saker gradually lessened his trump regime cheerleading. But he always excused trump, never pointing out trump was an opportunistic liar.

    After saker called trump his “man of the year”, I pointed out how absurd it was to claim trump was a “peacenik” and speculated saker was again going to promote a trump presidency. He denied it and the aspie started censoring my comments heavily after that.

    Now here he is doing a mike whitney writing campaign ads for likud’s neocon republican prostitutes.

    Pathetic.

    • Troll: VinnyVette
    • Replies: @vot tak
  47. Grant says:

    Trump hoped to ‘buy’ Tik Tok, the fastest growing social media app, and one not owned by US billionaires that hate him. This would then be available to assist his re-election. This plan may have tanked…

  48. Anon[183] • Disclaimer says:

    I disagree with Roberts about why they haven’t JFK’d 45. Trump has a lot of rabid supporters, and if he got iced, the left would be unrestrained in their glee, which would result in mass violence by Trumpers, likely igniting a civil war which is the last thing the deep state wants.

    • Replies: @VinnyVette
  49. AndrewR says:
    @PhilK

    What is this absurd cope? Trump is president now. He cannot (or will not) stop the riots now then he obviously will not be able to or will not want to do so ever.

  50. Moi says:
    @g8way

    I would like whatever it is that you are smoking. LOL.

  51. gotmituns says:

    no m∀tter the outcome this will be the will be the l∀st election of an ∀merican president where two str∀ight White men run ∀gainst each other.

  52. the 2000 Gore-Bush election which saw the outcome decided by a consensus of the ruling élites

    What a pity to destroy your credit with such arrant and obvious rubbish. It’s as if you were warning readers never to take you as reliable.

    There was a majority decision of the SCOTUS voting, apart perhaps from Justice Kennedy, quite predictably after the Florida court had gone the other way. What élites? What consensus?

  53. Elaine says:

    If Trump wins, he will bring law and order to the country … Hahahahahaha.

  54. One important thing to do for a brighter future for the american people is to learn from the last few years rise of hundreds of americans collaborating in association with americans4innovation

    It is important that there is a transition, (if possible a peaceful wellordered one) from the current oligarchic monopolistic system where the wealthy are hiding their riches in trusts, to a system where the middleclass has a fair chance given the talent and determination, to rise up and constitute real competition with those monopolists who now permeate the system being the only existant force.

    Since the conditions are unfair and favour the monopolists there has to be a redistribution of wealth to the middleclass from the oligarchic class.

    Since any chaotic procedure of confiscations would presumably not go in the right direction but possibly lead to further growth of the said oligarchy, confiscation is something to be handled with caution.

    The first thing is to learn about the way in which america is currently ruled.
    For example the said researchers appear to claim that the US justice system is somehow to be likened with a foreign controlled entity. Not at all under democratic control.

    And that Britains elites are associated with that strange context.

    And that all that is connected with the fact that those researchers claim that some 500 lawyers control the way in which the deep state operates.

    That there is since 1996 a law which makes perjury legal.

    Know that whatever has been going on between the US/UK the last century it may in the previous have appeared to parts of the american ruling class that while we knew the british had an inordinate influence over us we felt that we better shut up about it and loot the world together rather than to sever the ties.

    Know that Carroll Quigley understood this better than most everybody among those who support the US constitution, but he was troubled about the consequences of any real rupture so he said he supported the angloamerican establishment only not the secrecy.

    For that support he has been seen by some as being in favour of the NWO which isnt true.

    But as the US is weakened the smart people are now, it appears to me, waking up and are willing to challenge the long silence about the british link.

  55. @Ray Caruso

    Scratch even the most sophisticated liberal and you’ll always find a petulant 12 year old wailing, “*uck you, dad!”

  56. Anonymous[661] • Disclaimer says:
    @VinnyVette

    Solzhenitsyn would disagree:

    “We cannot state that all Jews are Bolsheviks. But without Jews, there would never have been Bolshevism. For a Jew, nothing is more insulting than the truth. The blood maddened Jewish terrorists have murdered sixty-six million in Russia from 1918 to 1957.”

    Those who slaughtered Russians, he wrote, “were not even Russian”.

  57. Bill says:
    @Juri

    The Air Force officer corps is allegedly a hotbed of Christian Zionist lunacy. So, there’s that.

  58. @johnwho

    Doesn’t matter what Dems want. It’s what the big money and the Deep State want. And of course big money and the Deep State want Biden, because he’s lost his marbles, is embroiled in scandals in China and Ukraine and is easily extorted. And Harris? I’d bet the farm they have her recorded beneath Willie Brown’s desk.

    TPTB want Biden/Harris for the same reason they wanted Hillary: they can be blackmailed.

    Or do you still think Epstein killed himself?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  59. There will be violence but it will be like the Catholic-Protestant conflict in Northern Ireland. That means car bombs, assassinations and the like.

  60. Exile says:
    @johnwho

    The constant grammatical pedantry around here is a form of trolling. Distraction and defelction.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  61. Vojkan says:

    A lot of wishful thinking, crystal ball peeping and intellectual contortion from the Saker in defence of Trump. From a rational, logical point of view, it just doesn’t hold water. The reality is that Trump has done nothing positive and while he has not indeed started a war, he has set a very dangerous precedent with the assassination of general Soleimani. That for me is enough to disqualify him.

    • Disagree: ariadna, Corrupt
    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  62. @Juri

    All too high. Mao was very explicit about this: “A future war may destroy one-half of mankind, but it will completely destroy imperialism.”

  63. Exile says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    Trump’s been a lightning rod and a corral for dissident hopes & energy – a trap us. I admit I was fooled. No progress is possible under the banner of either establishment party. They are too entrenched with multiple layers of power-centers and strategies to co-opt and subvert any legitimate reformer.

    Revolutionary-scale change, bottom-up or otherwise, is needed. The System does not want to be improved and it has the power to frustrate anyone working inside its own rules.

    • Replies: @Carlos22
  64. @Peter Grafström

    You need to read Machiavelli’s The Prince:

    “It ought to be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. Because the innovator has for enemies all those who have done well under the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in those who may do well under the new. This coolness arises partly from fear of the opponents, who have the laws on their side, and partly from the incredulity of men, who do not readily believe in new things until they have had a long experience of them.”

    Regards

  65. @TimeTraveller

    It serves the purpose of gee-ing up his supporter base – and keeps Iran unsettled.

    I wouldn’t be placing too much importance on it – its yet another example of Kissinger’s “creative ambiguity” that Trump seems to excel in.

    From RT: “The comment comes … after a story in Politico alleged the Islamic Republic has been “weighing” a reprisal for the assassination of Qassem Soleimani … who was killed … by a US drone strike in January. The Politico piece was sourced to nameless US government officials, however, and Tehran has since rejected the claim.” [emphasis mine]

    Politico, is a US political journalism company based in Arlington, Virginia.

    Politico’s editor-in-chief Kaminski has also contributed to Tablet, an online magazine focused on Jewish issues.

    2 + 2 = ?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @TimeTraveller
  66. MLK says:
    @JVC

    This brings to mind a hoary stock market admonition — “If it’s obvious, it’s obviously wrong.”

    Though in this case, in a country of 320M there’s always going to be some blood in the streets for a prognosticator to hang his hat on.

    I find myself taking the under on all hell breaking loose on November 3rd. That will be a function of the outcome on election night. If the Democrats think it’s within their expanded range to steal then we’re off to the contested election races.

    But, if Trump remains headed for reelection in a landslide (EV 363), as I believe he is, then it will prove a Bridge Too Far.

    As for the prospect of social unrest after the election, if past is prologue, if Sleepy Joe wins the Democrats will use a heavy hand with the Antifa filth like they did with Occupy in 2011 in places like Oakland and NYC in preparation for Obama running for reelection. The Fake News will cheer the crackdown on, probably labeling whomsoever is killed white supremacists. Like in 2011, establishment Republicans like ‘Human Scum’ Romney will cheerlead the crackdown.

    The narrative, like the kids say, will blame all the violence and social disorder caused and fueled by Democrats on terrible, awful Trump.

    • Replies: @The Real World
  67. tyrone says:

    Saker ,the American conservative ……..has a nice ring to it.

  68. Bill says:
    @Joe Doaks

    He needs to plan now for how he will use 10 U.S.C. sec. 253 and 18 U.S.C. secs. 241 and 242.

    Given his behavior so far, this seems like a vain hope.

  69. Anonymous[728] • Disclaimer says:
    @Juri

    Who controls the US military? WMD and all? How about those neocon/neolib civilians at the Obama Pentagon publicly pushing for impeachment of the C-in-C on 100% political grounds, as well as for war against Iran and Russia on behalf of Israel and its exclave on US soil–the latter quite literally defined by its espionage, sabotage, transfer of technology, transfer of all our nuclear codes to Israel, ad nauseam. We need to start at the beginning and never forget that it was Israel and its fifth column that assassinated JFK and RFK, and was responsible for the Lavon Affair, USS Liberty, 9-11, not to mention the various false-flag mass shootings such as in Las Vegas, and now these riots.

    That the Pentagon continues to sweep the Liberty under the rug is by itself all the proof any intelligent person needs to prove that the Pentagon works not just for Israel, but against the true interests of the United States however factually defined. It’s hard to even imagine men with so little honor that they disgrace the memory of the sailors on board the Liberty or the 3,000 of their fellow Americans cremated and crushed alive by Israel and its fifth column on 9-11. Where do they find such whores, even in a country of 330 million?

    If Obama is all behind BLM and Antifa as he is, claims that riots, looting, arson, and straightforward insurrection are peaceful as he does, and if he’s basically calling for an abolition of existing police and their replacement with a new federal Security Force made up of BLM and Antifa sorts that’s of equal strength to the military, then it follows presumptively that Obama’s generals are on board as well. This amounts to perpetual martial law using as an excuse failure of the white-hating, Jewish-ass-kissing Kamala Harris to take the White House.

    If you don’t remember Laura Cooper from the impeachment hearings, here’s a photo of her. Try not to gag, not just at the thought of this creature being allowed to affect policy in the Pentagon, but at the thought that kowtowing to her sort leaves the top brass as little more than uniformed martinets willing to destroy America in service to Israel and its Jewish apparatchiki. But for the uniform which these treasonous generals disgrace by wearing, it appears to me that they’re indistinguishable from other Obama bureaucrats at DOJ and the State Dept.

    • Agree: ariadna
    • Replies: @gotmituns
  70. yurivku says:

    …there are millions of US Americans out there who did nothing wrong and who deserve to be protected from the rioting and looting mobs by their police agencies …

    Where were they when their rulers have waged wars and color revolutions all around the world?
    At home, watching TV and eating popcorn. Where were they when police each year killed about 1000 their fellow people? What did they do when NATO bombed Serbia? What about all that streams of dirt their country poured to Russia, China and others? How about Syria, Livan, Noth Korea, Venesuela …?
    Not your business?

    Well, now it’s your turn, as @Cyrano said, the criminal can’t stop his crimes, he brought his habits and weapons home.
    Very good, this is our time get some popcorn and watch as BLM kills police, women oppress men, gay take over minority of normal people and so on and so forth. Not a bit of pity to that rotten society, you deserve this.

    • Troll: Bro43rd
    • Replies: @Old and Grumpy
  71. republic says:
    @A123

    Trump is very,very cheap,just read the very detailed account in the book by Cohen

  72. yurivku says:
    @Curmudgeon

    You are absolutely right. Probably you aren’t an american ’cause they are unable to comprehend these pure truths.
    They beleive they’re exceptional and it’s true for them being exceptionally dumb and arrogant. Hope they will eat themselves soon.

  73. Perhaps The Saker will recognize this passage:

    “This rabble, which you will find in any society, usually tries to rise to the surface in every period of transition, and is not only without any aim, but also without the inkling of an idea, merely expressing with all its strength unrest and impatience. And yet this rabble, without realizing it, almost always finds itself under the command of the small crowd of ‘progressives’, who act with definite aim, and it is they who direct this scum where they like, provided they themselves are not composed of utter idiots, which, however, happens too….”

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  74. G J T says:

    First of all, they are not both “The party of money.” They are both “The party of the Jew.” Let’s just clear that up from the outset.

    More to the point, most people have this all wrong, because their assumption is that Trump will actually act in a manner he has yet to; i.e. enforce so-called law and order. He will not. The proof of this is that doing so would help his chances of re-election right now and yet he still won’t do a damn thing. So why would he after the election?

    It will indeed matter who wins, from a domestic perspective, because if Trump wins the rioting we’ve seen thus far will look like child’s play, where as if Kabbalah Haaretz and Joey win, it will almost certainly die down to an extent. Trump is your acceleration candidate, ladies and gentlemen, largely due to his own cowardice.

    Rather than look at this as a lose-lose, I look at it as a win-win. If Joey and Kabbalah win, the devastated Trump supporters who are even nominally dissident-right will finally start directing their energy into more productive avenues. No longer will they be afforded the opportunity to hide and pretend their Zion Don will rescue them. Big win.

    And if Zion Don does win (which I believe strongly he will), the acceleration will reach levels we’ve never seen, and whites will also be forced to finally fight back. Their lives will depend on it. I look forward to both outcomes, and will be praying for 110.

    Hail victory!

    • Replies: @A123
  75. @AndrewR

    It’s possible that Trump is holding back with the election in mind. He may be holding back from using more Federal forces, or putting more pressure on local forces, in order to make political capital that he will no longer need after winning the election. With no third term in mind, he’ll likely do whatever he thinks will improve his historical image or further his own interests, and neither one seems to be served by allowing riots to continue.

    I’m not sure I believe this is what is going through his mind, but it’s possible.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  76. PJ London says:

    There are 4 cultures operating in the US.
    Traditional “American” culture
    Hispanic “Family” culture
    Black “Hood” culture
    “Me Too Entitlement” culture.
    “American” and “Family” culture are compatible and can easily and harmoniously co-exist.
    The “American” culture is hospitable (Give me your poor and ….) and generous and as long as they did not feel that they were being taken for a ride or being taken advantage of, they welcomed the people of the southern border. Life as a Mexican immigrant (legal or otherwise) was hard and difficult, but marginally better than life below the border. They did not want to give up their culture where you could rely on your (big – extended) family for support in favour of relying on the government and society in general. They could see how much support they would get from that scenario.
    The other 2 cultures are completely incompatible, and cannot co-exist with any thing. They are parasitic cultures. Without a host they die. Whilst they were small and tiny, the host culture could ignore the fact that they were being bled by these parasites. Now they are a plague and their annoyance is becoming painful.
    There are more than 30 million hispanic people classed as “Illegal” in the US. They cannot be wished away, they cannot be “returned” anywhere, the birthrate is higher than the repatriation rate.
    Some sort of DACA solution has to be found. Whilst this is the realistic situation it is political anathema as reality loses votes to a dreamlike Utopia of both Democrats (Kumbaya) and Republican (USA,USA,USA)
    As in any conflict there needs to be easily recognisable “enemies” that is why armies wear identifiable uniforms and being caught using the wrong uniform is an immediate death sentence. Unfortunately, the million or more blacks who actually can and want to assimilate in the “American” culture, look exactly like the millions who want the “Hood” culture. The “MeToo” followers are difficult to identify, so instead they will be identified by location, California, New York and Universities everywhere

    If I were black or hispanic or “WOKE” and living in the US, I would go on my knees every night and pray that Trump wins in November. If he loses, for whatever reason, it will be open season, as he is the only one calling for the angry centre and the really angry right to “Leave it to the police”.
    Their patience will disappear and the police themselves will not take kindly to a future where they are the criminals for attempting to bring about law and order.
    On the other hand, should Trump win he MAY be able to keep the lid on the kettle for another few years.
    If he doesn’t :
    “it will be open season, the angry centre and the really angry right will no longer “Leave it to the police”.
    Their patience will disappear and the police themselves will look the other way as they will not take kindly to a future where they are the criminals for attempting to bring about law and order.

  77. ariadna says:
    @Majority of One

    That visceral anti-Iranian hatred messes up the intended “Peace” appearance of his hasbara.

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  78. @xaxi

    Total chaos is a strong term. This looks more like controlled chaos, an oxymoron that implies that the “so far merely local” outbreaks are serving somebody. The right wants to see liberal hands manipulating the situation, the left wants to see a nefarious Trump-Russia-white supremacist involvement.

    Either way, it’s the THREAT of total chaos that both sides are banking on for the elections. Actual total chaos would mean that the elections don’t even happen or matter. You’ll know it when it happens, because there will be so many riots at the same time that we won’t have the luxury of focusing on any one or two of them.

  79. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    If anything, mayhem in the USA might make foreign adventurism more attractive to psycopathic politicians in need of a distraction from domestic issues.

    I hope that’s doesn’t happen, but serious disturbances in world trade would result in severe hardships globally. In the short run, these hardships would be due to financial failures. In the longer run, world production would become significantly less efficient, producing much the same hardships. In particular, resource exporting areas that import their food would find themselves dependent on local sources.

    For an example of a potential food conflict (due to a water conflict), consider Ethiopia vs. Egypt.

    Severe hardships quite often lead to warfare.

  80. @yurivku

    You do know the US has lots of nuclear and biological weapons on top of its conventional stash. You can enjoy what is happening here, but you would be a fool to do so. Our demise is not good for the world in the short run. There are no sane adults within the system to dismantle the US military. Nor is an American collapse going to takeout its rulers and their agenda. You don’t think they don’t already own China? But other than that, please enjoy.

    • Replies: @yurivku
  81. Realist says:

    The biggest reason that voting doesn’t matter…which you missed…is the Deep State controls this country. Whoever is elected, they will be a minion of the Deep State. Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the Deep State coin.

    • Agree: Bro43rd
    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  82. Except for Ron Paul, every vote I ever cast was for the lesser of two evils. I’ll do it again for Trump. As with the first time voting for the Donald, I will be laughing. However with all the floaters the retire generals are dropping, I assume we will have a military junta if Trump wins. Can’t wait to see how Antifa uses their mystery power of logic to square that one, but it should be worth a chuckle. It’s good to have a dark sense of humor in these dark times. If Russia has EMP capability, they might want to be ready to use it. Hopefully it can take out the all American weapon systems.

  83. Carlos22 says:
    @Exile

    That is why in successful revolutions there is a purge of a whole class of people that supported the prev system, like academia the media and political class.

    Trump alluded to that with his “drain the swamp” message in 2016 but was either prevented or more likely afraid to do that.

    Many saw the disturbing signs of inaction in the first few days when he praised the clintons calling them “good people”.

  84. MaxyBoy says:
    @Juri

    No chance of any nuclear device of the United States Military achieving the fission chain reaction it needs to emulate the sun. Those things just won’t work when the button is pushed.

  85. yurivku says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    There are no sane adults within the system to dismantle the US military.

    Not sure I understood you. But yes, if something so big as a building of Empire falls – results can be different. My hope that murikans will be too busy to kill each other so’ll forget about the other world.

    You don’t think they don’t already own China?

    What this is about? Yes, I don’t think they own China.

    And whatever we do stupid guys in US will try to use their military toys on other world. So the bigges hope that they kill themselves without external help

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  86. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Exile

    The constant grammatical pedantry around here is a form of trolling. Distraction and defelction.

    “Easy reading is curst hard writing”. If you want an audience, write well. Pay some attention to complaints.

  87. @johnwho

    It is clearly wrong to use a semicolon there; only a comma is appropriate.

    • Agree: TheTrumanShow
  88. Bro43rd says:

    Saker with his Russian blinders on but mostly right.

  89. A123 says:
    @G J T

    Trump will actually act in a manner he has yet to; i.e. enforce so-called law and order. He will not. The proof of this is that doing so would help his chances of re-election right now and yet he still won’t do a damn thing. So why would he after the election?

    You have this backwards.

    Trump using the substantial force required to terminate the riots would *hurt his chances of re-election*. Firing blinding lasers at the rioters and running them over with armored vehicles can occur early in his 2nd term. Doing that now, might build sympathy for the SJW rioters of Islamic BLM and the Fascist Stormtroopers of Antifa.

    Also, 100% of the blame is piling up on Blue City Mayors and Blue State Governors. Trump’s ratings with riot impacted minorities goes up every day. Why take risks to bail out the opposition?

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.” ― Napoleon Bonaparte

    • Replies: @G J T
    , @Alfred
  90. AndrewR says:
    @Sollipsist

    Even if true, it shows how utterly gay American democracy is. “Gee, I’d love to stop these terrorists from destroying the country but it might hurt my election chances! I need to just tweet “LAW AND ORDER!” every day until I can crack down on November 4th”

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  91. Charles says:

    Commenters at The Unz are usually more perceptive than MSM-exclusive Americans. But so many people in their comments still claim, at least indirectly, that Dems WANT the rioting to be curbed or ended completely; it’s the old-fashioned idea that Dems and Repubs both want a strong USA, and only their methods differ. That is a peculiar blindness. If you don’t see by now that the national Dem party seeks the complete destruction of the historical USA, I don’t know what will convince you.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter, Alden
  92. Walter says:

    Trumpie/Ponce and Beydon/Camila > either way the principle is clear: Two idiots r bettern one genius…Putin & Xi r not idiots…

    It will be up to the army.

    In this regard some may recall the famous letter in Pravda Aleksei Brusilov wrote. Similar persuasions may be expected any time now.

  93. Anon[421] • Disclaimer says:

    The George Orwell effect illustrates his conversion away from leftism when he witnessed the barbarity of the ‘Republican’ cause in the Spanish Civil War. I had my own Orwell moment when I left SF, CA in 2014 arriving in solid red Polk County, FL; that and being impressed by Trump. Everything since has bolstered my faith in the ‘Patriot’ movement, and particularly those I follow and who follow me on Twitter. There is this thing about the oath to protect and defend the Constitution which I find both convincing and inspiring. On the other hand the Democrat coalition is motivated by greed, self interest, and revolutionary intent.

  94. I still don’t see a typical civil war breaking out in the US. But I see many, smaller, “local wars” breaking out all over the country – yes, violence is at this point inevitable. It is, therefore, the moral obligation of every decent person to do whatever he/she can do, no matter how small, to help the “deplorables” in their struggle against the forces of chaos, violence and tyranny, especially during the upcoming “years of transition” which will be very, very hard on the majority of the people living in the US.

    I would add that because a civil war is becoming likely we need our guns more than ever.

    If Biden is elected he will most likely nominate an anti-2A judge.

    He also wants to ban semi-auto rifles and allow cities to sue gun manufacturers over “gun violence” which means bankrupting them.

    Biden is not some moderate Republicrat on guns. He really does have an anti-gun agenda. His policies indicate he wants British style laws where handguns and semi-auto rifles are banned.

  95. G J T says:
    @A123

    It doesn’t have to be ‘go in guns blazing’ or do nothing at all. Trump has done absolutely nothing, knowing full well that if he took action it would re-energize a substantial segment of his 2016 voters who have thrown in the towel on him due to his cucking, groveling at the feet of pavement apes, and overall impotence as a leader.

    I wholeheartedly disagree with the notion that he is somehow winning over non-whites by allowing rioting and chaos to continue. Or that he’s winning those people over period, regardless of what he does. He needs the white working class, and WN-adjacent voters who put him over the top in 2016. He gets them by taking action against the terrorism engulfing almost every major city in the US.

    Trump does not answer to his base, as he has proven for four years now. He answers strictly to his Jewish donors and handlers, and those Jewish handlers will not permit him to take action against these Bolsheviks. Not now, and not after re-election. Get ready, because if he wins, this is only going to get worse.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @map
  96. @TKK

    But there are a few things that Trump genuinely offers: the economic destruction and social upheaval that would likely follow a complete economic decoupling from China; the continuation of provocations against Russia, China, Iran and Venezuela which risk a major war (possibly WW3); and a costly new arms race, most likely resulting in the nuclear weaponization of space and a greatly increased risk of nuclear war, even by accident.

    • Agree: TKK
  97. This is exactly what the US ruling classes are doing: they are acting like a parasite who cannot understand that by killing its host it will also kill itself.

    Now, this is the key. Evolutionary successful parasites do not harm the host much, as host’s survival is the condition of their survival. Degenerate imperial elites do not see the reality, they apparently believe their own lies.

    Trump win is better for the US, not because Trump is so good, but because Dems are a lot worse, being totally off their rocker.

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
  98. @Charles

    Commenters at The Unz are usually more perceptive than MSM-exclusive Americans. But so many people in their comments still claim, at least indirectly, that Dems WANT the rioting to be curbed or ended completely

    I’m not sure why anyone would believe that when we saw around a dozen mayors and Governors allow the rioting. That is too many to believe they were just independent outliers.

    It may seem like poor strategy but they really did allow it.

    Liberals have completely lost it when it comes to race.

    The Seattle mayor actually let rioters take over a precinct. The Minnesota mayor let the city burn.

    This is not by chance. In the liberal mind the police are the problem and are valued even below leftist and anarchist rioters.

    Liberals in their extreme desire to blame White people for all Black pathologies have resorted to allowing what they believe to be allies against the system to burn and destroy.

  99. We are entering the period of everlasting peace on earth.
    There still will be some border skirmishes but major wars are now out of question.
    Everybody realizes that nuclear war would be catastrophic for humanity.
    US democracy will end and one party rule will prevail and rule indefinitely.
    All countries will concentrate on their internal problems.
    Globalism is dead now.
    Concept of winners and losers will not make sense anymore.
    Jewish dreams of ruling the world will evaporate also.

    • Replies: @Bro43rd
  100. @Charles

    Isn’t it within the realm of possibility that the democrats and republicans are both controlled by the same elitists, and the whole thing is political theater? IOW isn’t it possible that our satanic elite generally rule the U.S. behind a facade of disingenuous dialectics presented by a fake two party system?

    Isn’t it possible that Trump has already been granted another term to continue his aggressive and risky “foreign policy”? Isn’t it possible that voters are being manipulated into voting for Trump by way of the manufacture of a domestic situation where Trump despite all his faults can be portrayed as the lesser of the evils?

    • Replies: @Charles
  101. anastasia says:
    @JVC

    There is already blood in the streets. You are simply waiting for the media to report it. They will report it when the people start fighting back.

  102. @AndrewR

    Even if true, it shows how utterly gay American democracy is. “Gee, I’d love to stop these terrorists from destroying the country but it might hurt my election chances! I need to just tweet “LAW AND ORDER!” every day until I can crack down on November 4th”

    American democracy is indeed totally gay. I think we can all agree on that.

    But look at what happened when Trump used homeland security to defend buildings in Portland.

    The MSM depicted the situation as federal troops taking over the city and cracking down on innocent protestors. They didn’t show the video of antifa trying to break into a federal building. The Portland mayor then demanded that they leave and the MSM of course gave one sided coverage.

    Riots are the provincial authority of the states. It the responsibility of state and local governments to maintain law and order.

    Trump really can get into trouble by usurping the authority of local governments.

    The mistake Trump has made is not explaining this to the public.

    But it is the wiser political strategy to let it happen. I’m not saying that is the right thing to do and our democracy is certainly a circus. But from a strategic point of view it makes sense to let liberal Democrat heavy areas to get a full taste of what liberal politicians are willing to allow.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  103. Alden says:
    @Anon

    Knoxville, Lexington, Columbus, Indianapolis and Kansas City have almost as many blacks as DC. Plus all the black federal workers would live in and around the new capital. 59 and 1/2 years of affirmative action since Kennedy became president

    DC is a lot less black now than it was 60,70, years ago. That’s due to White American gay men and foreigners living in DC. 19th and early 20th century foreign diplomats called DC Africa because of the hot humid weather and the African population.

    There’s a huge regional federal building near me. You should see it at quitting time. Blacks blacks blacks.

    My solution is get rid of the blacks and turn DC into a real Capitol instead of one of the highest crime, lowest school achievement cities in the country.

    Is there any city in the country larger than 300,000 that isn’t a black or Hispanic crime ridden ghetto?

    It’s not the location. It’s the people who live there.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @anon
  104. A123 says:
    @G J T

    It doesn’t have to be ‘go in guns blazing’ or do nothing at all.

    So what 1/2 measure do you suggest that has “guaranteed success“?

    The worst case scenario for Trump would be trying and failure. Such a failure would de-energize and collapse his base. So, nothing is the best choice unless there is a guaranteed success choice.

    Trump has done absolutely nothing, knowing full well that if he took action it would re-energize a substantial segment of his 2016 voters who have thrown in the towel on him due to his cucking,

    No such substantial segment exists.

    NeoCucks that have moved to the Democrat party throw the “cuck” term around to distract from their cuckoldry. Trump neither needs nor wants NeoConCucks and their foreign wars. You can keep your Bill cuck-Kristol and his #NeverTrump movement.

    PEACE 😇

  105. Anonymous[652] • Disclaimer says:
    @Patagonia Man

    That was informative. Thanks.

  106. @AndrewR

    As a second term POTUS, Trump does not have to think about the 2024 election. He can go all out short of impeachable offenses. No former POTUS has ever been prosecuted.

    He is not really a Republican, so he has no loyalty to Republicans in future elections.

    Trump can be pragmatic, instead of dogmatic. Pragmatic is a better way to be.

    Like Obama in his second term, all that Trump needs is a phone. Executive Orders.

    It would be fitting for USA, Inc. to go into bankruptcy during Trump’s Presidency.

  107. @AnonFromTN

    The ruling classes are the Phoenix. They will always arise from the ashes of an old empire to be ruling classes of the new empire. They are not worried at all about the ants under their feet.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  108. gotmituns says:
    @Anonymous

    holy jewess batman, wood’ja look at the “nose” on that thing!!!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  109. @xaxi

    The “total chaos” is in large cities with Democratic Mayors.

    Those mayors could crush the rioters in a matter of minutes if they chose to do so.

    Their failure to do so means the mayors are complicit for every act of violence, for every dime of property damage.

    They can scream “Trump” as loud as they wish–they “own” the riots.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  110. anarchyst says:

    All of the commenters that complain that Trump isn’t doing anything against the rioters have it all wrong. Trump cannot take action unless such action is requested by the governors of the “several states”.

    Domestic “law enforcement” is local in nature. Rightly so, “posse comitatus” laws enacted after the conclusion of “reconstruction” saw to that.

    The “feds” have no jurisdiction unless they are invited in by the state governors.

    Of course, the above edict was violated when Eisenhower sent in federal troops to Little Rock, Arkansas to enforce an illegal desegregation order in 1957.

    My greatest fear, (especially if the democRATs steal the upcoming election) is that UN (United Nations) troops will be used to invade the united States of America as local “law enforcement” and the “feds” will be unable to quell the continuing civil unrest.

    “International human rights violations” will be used as the “excuse” to bring in the blue helmets. These “blue helmets” will have no problem (attempting to) confiscate firearms from (white) law-abiding Americans while looking the other way when the rioters possess and use their weapons.

  111. majorman says:

    All countries are involved with the subjugation of the planet. Does not matter their form of government or politics. It is just another version of Good Cop / Bad Cop. It matters not who leads or what faction is in charge. The dichotomy is to nurture hostilities and create total chaos. So Trump or Biden is only there to perpetuate the illusion and who gets the nod is only a matter of the Cabal’s timeline for total take-over.

  112. @Alden

    My solution is get rid of the blacks and turn DC into a real Capitol instead of one of the highest crime, lowest school achievement cities in the country.

    Why should we do that? I think it is quite fitting that our politicians have to drive into West Liberia. They shouldn’t be allowed to work in some isolated White bubble.

    Democrats claim to value Blacks and public transportation. In a just world Democrat politicians would be forced to ride public transportation into DC instead of an armored town car.

    Republican “muh free market is everything” types should be forced to open a small business in DC. Make it a reality TV show. Would be great viewing.

    If anything our politicians are too isolated from reality even with their daily DC drive.

  113. Trump is not for law and order at all. Trump is for looting and white collar crime. If I happened to be guilty of white-collar crime, I would support Trump in 2020, however, I am not a white collar criminal or a street criminal. I truly oppose corruption and crime so I cannot support Trump or Biden/Harris.

    If Trump was in favor of law and order he would in the very least be demanding that the 194 corporations that are financing BLM stop doing so, which they are doing for the purpose of insurance fraud, and to destabilize society and create chaos, which is every bit as evil and as criminal as the poeople actually committing the crimes, because if they truly wanted the police to stop killing blacks, they would have lobbied for it and it would have been carved in stone as law.

    If you think that Trump is in favor of law and order, you are dead wrong and the facts prove it.

  114. @Justvisiting

    The “total chaos” is in large cities with Democratic Mayors.

    Those mayors could crush the rioters in a matter of minutes if they chose to do so.

    This is correct.

    The police have established tactics for breaking up riots. It isn’t that difficult. Use aggressive non-lethal force and toss the leaders into jails. The problem is that the mayors have held them back and limited their use of non-lethal force.

    Here is a video of the Oregon State Police doing it correctly

    • Replies: @Flubber
  115. AndrewR says:
    @John Johnson

    The Insurrection Act allows the president to federalize the National Guard to put down insurrections even if the governor cannot do or (in this case) doesn’t want to do their job. Trying to burn down a federal building is insurrectionary. The mayor and governor should both be arrested.

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs
    • Replies: @Sollipsist
  116. Zbignew Brzezinski (remember him?) admitted in his influential book ‘The Grand Chessboard – American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives’, that if America is to dominate the world, it cannot sustain a popular democracy, because “the pursuit of power is not a goal that commands popular passion… Democracy is inimical to imperial mobilization.”

    Today, what may or may not be a Brzezinskian “Deep State” has been shaken to its core by the renegade popularity of Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump. The reluctant Democratic revolutionary was easily nipped in the bud – twice – but the consistent failure to rid itself of this troublesome Trump might well have pushed this state into planning for 2020 what it considers the endgame. I guess we’ll see if pride goes before a fall this time too. See if attempted regime change at home blows back on them as it has overseas. So far, not so good, for them.

    Meanwhile, exaggerate, much? Someone’s abject fright of new and different things is showing, as is how fear exaggerates the perception of threat. BLM et al would not be getting such fawning media coverage if they were a genuine opposition movement. The powers that be are using those clueless youngsters to preempt a revolution, not to foment one.

    Meantime I see supposed fans of democracy howling for undemocratic actions to unseat an elected president, while the so-called law-and-order crowd screams for looters to be murdered in the streets, rather than be arrested, tried, and sentenced if convicted, according to the rule of law they claim to cherish so dearly. As George Carlin said, when you’re born, you get a ticket to the freak show, and if you’re born in America, you get a front row seat.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  117. Anonymous[728] • Disclaimer says:
    @gotmituns

    She’s the cute one compared to Fiona Hill, another Jewess directing the Pentagon’s costumed Obama bureaucrats like they were the clapping seals act at the Central Park Zoo. As Spengler put it, no trainer has his animals more under his control that the Jews do the minds of these military apparatchiki.

  118. Nice analysis, but someone should have told the ol’ Saker that talking about “masonic” this or that in America sounds laughable. Kerensky may have had a few fezes but likely no little mini-cars.

  119. @Patagonia Man

    Nice try at Hasbara.

    I wonder how stupid someone would have to be to take the advice of a rando on the internet when that advice is “don’t worry that your government is under total Jewish control. You should support it anyway.”

    Hahaha, thanks for the comic relief.

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  120. The rioting whites are mostly young dweebs who have never had extended dealings with blacks. Truck them to the ghettos and don’t let them leave. Two weeks would be all that’s needed for the ones who survive Race Realist Camp.

  121. @AndrewR

    We all know that Trump CAN do this. Even his most deluded critics realize that the law is ultimately on his side. But that “gay” American democracy is at least predicated on the will of the people, so strict legal interpretations and lengthy appeals frequently take a backseat to however the public wind happens to be blowing at the time. And it consistently blows hard before an election.

  122. If Trump’s control of anarchy in his second term equals that of his first—no control as, for example, he was trapped in the White House while the mob vandalized a statue just across the street and set fire to the church, with later looting and arson being unopposed across the country—we would get better results by electing Tinker Belle. I am not sure the empire is quite as moribund ad I would like. The Empire firmly controls Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, and Australia, controls Europe nearly as firmly, has forced the world to stop trading with Iran against the wishes of everybody else, keeps Iran, Cuba, and Venezuela in semi-starvation, orders India to stop buying Iranian oil, still may block Nordstream II, successfully ordered England to drop Huawei with Europe looking to follow, confiscated Tictck, forced TSMC to stop selling to China and to build a five nm fab in the US, is crippling SMIC, ordered ASML not to sell seen nm lithography gear to China, commits piracy against Venezuela and murder against Soleimani, pushes NATO further against Russia, seems to have run a successful coup in Bolivia, continues to control the dollar, and so on at length. Perhaps Trump’s trade war till cripple China but it looks equally likely to lose American firms a huge market as China develops it own tech products instead of buying the, and then begins to compete with the US. Brilliant.

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  123. Democrats are known to screw up everything. Democratic BLM and Antifa was good idea but timing was wrong. It should have happened in the beginning of October. BLM and Antifa only awakened the white people. White people now realize that whatever they do the Jews, Democrats, and Blacks will never be satisfied.
    ………………………………………………
    So there is no use trying.

  124. AndrewR says:
    @Observator

    Give me a break, you centrist dweeb. No one on the right is opposed to arresting rioters, looters and arsonists as long as it can be done without endangering cops or the public. But at this point who cares how the riots are stopped?

  125. The US political system is both non-viable and non-reformable. No matter what happens next, the US as we knew it will collapse this winter, PCR is right.

    Meh
    Portland was pretty easy to pacify.

    The Saker is worlds better though when he steps outside his Russian Military Tech Fanboy Bubble though. Kudos that.

  126. @SaneClownPosse

    The ruling classes are the Phoenix. They will always arise from the ashes of an old empire to be ruling classes of the new empire.

    That’s pessimistic, but you might be right. As Russian joke puts it “shit always floats to the top, while gold sinks to the bottom”.

  127. Patricus says:

    America has been on the verge of collapse, so it was said, all of my life. Somehow innovations continued. We had a computer revolution made in America and everyone’s life changed mostly for the better. There have been medical advances, agricultural innovations and fracking. None of these were developed by the many brilliant Europeans, Russians, Chinese, Indians or Africans. They all copied America as best they could. If America falls down what happens to all the rest–a new dark ages?

    Sorry to disappoint end of times pessimists but America will continue to be among the leading lights, if not the only one. There will probably be much greater times in the future. America has plenty of flaws. We need to lose this world policeman role and act more as a nation than world hegemon. We need to scale back our overly centralized government. We meed to stop being the dumping ground for all the worlds’ failed cultures. We are headed in the right direction. Two steps forward, one step back.

    God Bless America!

    • Replies: @Cyrano
    , @anon
    , @Zarathustra
  128. “…It is now clear that the Dems find nothing good in the US or its history – hence their total support for the wanton (and, frankly, barbaric) destruction of historical statues or for the ridiculous notion that the United States was primarily built by black slaves and that modern whites are somehow guilty of what their ancestors did (including whites who did not have any slave owners amongst their ancestors)….” AND INCLUDING WHITES DESCENDED FROM SCOTS-IRISH INDENTURED SERVANTS!

    For once I actually agree (for the most part) with the Saker! Especially the argument that while the US will not have a national civil war it will have local ones….and what with the (supposed) fire-starting in Clackamas County Oregon and other areas in leftist states by Antifa, rural America MUST put themselves on alert as well, ESPECIALLY in leftist-governed states! And those other states–Texas maybe?–that could turn left thanks to Democrat and minority-majority large cities like Austin, Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, San Antonio, El Paso, etc. (some black majority, some Hispanic majority…though both blacks and Hispanics are waking up to “woke-ness,” the left can still and will still cajole them back to “the plantation,” or “the maquilladore slum.”)

    Thank you, Saker, for defending the Bill of Rights! Blessings!

  129. @Franz

    Totally correct about Marcus Garvey, a black leader nearly all Americans should at least respect. “Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds.” Bob Marley sang it (“Redemption Song”), but Marcus Garvey said it way back when. One of the truest statements ever spoken!

    And it wouldn’t surprise me if lots of African-Americans actually did move back to Africa… If there is a so-called “race war” this would make sense.

    • Replies: @GeneralRipper
  130. Redman says:
    @TKK

    And all the left has is a rapidly deteriorating candidate with advancing dementia. Possibly the worst Presidential candidate in modern in history. (Of course the subtext is that Biden will step aside soon after he wins, but ordinary people don’t vote for the VP candidate) It’s hard to see anyone looking at Biden as the man who represents a vision for the left. The message of the DNC convention was solely about “removing the dark villain Trump” and replacing him with “hope and light.”

    And I wouldn’t say it’s more “precarious” to be a white person in 2020. Quite the contrary. I think Trump and Trumpism has woken a lot of people up about who the real enemies are; both black and white.

    Trump has brought clarity, despite his inability to fulfill the “promises” from 2016. He spent most of the first term fighting off a brazen coup from many sides. But in a second term he would have more freedom to take executive action.

    • Replies: @TKK
  131. Che Guava says:

    This comment by johnwho is illiterate. With the sentence as constructed, the missing thing was a comma, not a semicolon.

  132. @Tony Massey

    As Patrick Swayze would say in his stupid Hollywood movie line: “Be nice, until it is time to not be nice.”

    He ?? (Wakandiyag) is a “low IQ individual”.

  133. Cyrano says:
    @Patricus

    Ata boy, pat yourself on the back. Your country is so advanced that if the life didn’t already existed, you would have probably invented life too – that’s how advanced you are.

    But don’t despair, when all is said and done, your country will go down in history as a destroyer of the western civilization – via your brilliant scheme called multiculturalism – with which you poisoned the western world – all in an effort to preserve your beloved capitalism.

    And in the end, even capitalism won’t survive. It won’t survive because of your refusal to let it improve in a meaningful way, instead using immigration in order to fake progress. And what a progress it has been, people of European descent are becoming minorities in their own countries, thanks to your brilliant “leadership”.

    Your country sabotaged Bernie Sanders election twice out of fear that it might bring “socialism”. Yeah, by all means, keep capitalism as conservative as possible, for as long as possible -that’s the key for success.

    • Replies: @Patricus
  134. @Frederick V. Reed

    “If Trump’s control of anarchy in his second term equals that of his first—no control as, for example, he was trapped in the White House while the mob vandalized a statue just across the street and set fire to the church, with later looting and arson being unopposed across the country—we would get better results by electing Tinker Belle.”

    Trump’s reticence may be calculated. Perhaps he and his handlers and enablers want to give us a taste of what to expect if Joe Biden is elected.

    I think the same technique was used last time around when in Sept. 2016 Obama gave us a taste of what Clinton’s aggressive “foreign policy” would be like by attacking the Syrian army at Deir Ezzor.

    In so doing, Obama drastically increased tensions with Russia creating a WW3 scare. And this may have been the factor that nudged enough Sanders supporters into Trump’s camp to give him a narrow margin of victory in three key states, which put him in the white house.

    “The Empire firmly controls Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, and Australia, controls Europe nearly as firmly, has forced the world to stop trading with Iran against the wishes of everybody else…”

    Exactly.

  135. @Zarathustra,

    Right, wrong and wright.

    We are entering the period of everlasting peace on earth.
    There still will be some border skirmishes but major wars are now out of question.
    Everybody realizes that nuclear war would be catastrophic for humanity.
    US democracy will end and one party rule will prevail and rule indefinitely.

    Right!

    All countries will concentrate on their internal problems.
    Globalism is dead now.

    Wrong!

    Concept of winners and losers will not make sense anymore.
    Jewish dreams of ruling the world will evaporate also.

    Wright: elites infighting is where the action will be. At the bottom, the surplus population will be dulled, stumped, and disappeared. That will revalue the local as to the global, and act as a stress relieve valve.

    A marvelous comment, I do not know if it was intended to be such, but it is. Thanks for your effort.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  136. TG says:

    “One of Trump’s biggest mistakes was to rely on Twitter instead of funding his own social media platform. He sure had the money. What he lacked was any foresight or understanding of the enemy.”

    Good point – yes, Trump’s bombastic nature let him (for now) rise above media censorship, but his lack of interest/ability in administration has crippled his ability to actually do much of anything.

    Still: even if Trump had funded his own social media platform, it would still have to run on physical servers on physical networks owned and controlled by the elite establishment, and could as easily be shut down. He’d have to fund his own parallel internet, which no single billionaire can do – and even then, the elite-controlled courts might declare it unconstitutional or infringing or racist and shut it down.

    Bottom line: at this point the elites have so much concentrated power, they own the high ground, I really don’t see how any ‘alternative’ media could possibly be more than a minor sideshow.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  137. Galearis says:
    @PhilK

    To PhilK,

    Here’s the thing, I find it difficult to believe that Democrats are pushing violence and insurrection and still have public support. Is low I.Q. and ignorance a qualification for identification with nihilism? Why would anyone a Dem vote for Biden if they realized this truth? And yet so many pundits label the Democrats as the source of support for Antifa and BLM. Is the MSM so efficient that it can hide that much of the truth from the population? It is not as if many of the innocents destroyed in the burning of cities are not Democratic supporters as well. Would it matter if they stood in front of a mob and said, “Hey, it’s ok, I’m a Democrat!”. The rioters, as nihilists, would not care because the goal is mayhem at any cost to get rid of Trump. The appallingly dumbed down American public is being chewed up by a power grab that is indifferent to their pain or the dung heap they are making out of the United States and all peoples futures. The Republicans also just stand back and watch the action without speaking out against it. So this is why the USA is doomed because both groups in power do not either recognize that the violence genie cannot be put back in the bottle, or are too complacent to make a stand for their own country.
    FWIW,
    L.

  138. Notsofast says:
    @PhilK

    This is mlk ultra and can be turned on and off like a light switch by those that control the switch.

    • Replies: @PhilK
  139. Precious says:
    @Harold Smith

    Sheesh…not this cliche again. He’s obviously TRIED to start a war with Iran at least twice (not to mention the other provocations). That the Iranians didn’t take bait and spill blood in return – thereby giving Trump the pretext he was apparently looking for – reflects positively on the Iranian government, not the orange clown regime.

    ^This is false. The Iranians tried to bait Trump with Soleimani’s provocations, but he didn’t fall for it. Trump has been holding positions in the Middle East but we now see it was to get his peace deals finalized. Ever since Trump was elected the GCC has been conducting the military operations with the US military providing the support role. These peace deals will allow Trump to reduce US military presence and leave Israel and the GCC to counter balance the Iranians, Russians and Chinese. All that is left is the howling of Democrats and Putin crying into his vodka.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  140. anon[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @Patricus

    “America has been on the verge of collapse, so it was said, all of my life. Somehow innovations continued. We had a computer revolution made in America and everyone’s life changed mostly for the better. There have been medical advances, agricultural innovations and fracking. None of these were developed by the many brilliant Europeans, Russians, Chinese, Indians or Africans. They all copied America as best they could. If America falls down what happens to all the rest–a new dark ages?

    Sorry to disappoint end of times pessimists but America will continue to be among the leading lights, if not the only one. There will probably be much greater times in the future. America has plenty of flaws. We need to lose this world policeman role and act more as a nation than world hegemon. We need to scale back our overly centralized government. We meed to stop being the dumping ground for all the worlds’ failed cultures. We are headed in the right direction. Two steps forward, one step back.

    God Bless America!”

    Rush is that you?

  141. Patricus says:
    @Cyrano

    The USA is not most advanced in all things. We lag in places. Americans are innovative and that is substantially due to capitalism. If the Bernie Sanders followers take charge innovation dies and America will be like the faded nations of Europe.

    Multiculturalism was admittedly misguided but America is hardly the “destroyer of Western civilization”. That “civilization ” reached its pinnacle in America.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
    , @Vojkan
  142. Charles says:
    @Harold Smith

    I agree with the statement (attributed to Twain): “If voting made a difference, they wouldn’t let us do it”.
    But I would say that the people – the citizens – who identify themselves as Dems or Repubs usually have true differences.

  143. @omegabooks

    And it wouldn’t surprise me if lots of African-Americans actually did move back to Africa…

    Get the fuck out, ASAP.

    I’m all for reparations, as long as it includes mandatory REPATRIATION.

  144. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:

    Deep State has a 100k-strong paramilitary force that’s distributed throughout the U.S. The FBI, CIA, and elements JSOC work closely together and have offices/SCIFs in modern office buildings where a dozen or more businesses also have offices (gov’t contractors, small IT companies, etc.). The other tenants— some even sharing the same floor— have no clue these IC entities are even in their building. I could say a lot more about these sites but I won’t because IC monitors everything on here.

    I have “interacted” with these FBI/CIA/JSOC guys in the DMV (mainly NoVA). I can tell assure you that these types will have zero qualms about shooting dead any of Les Deplorables that protest a Deep State coup.

  145. Emslander says:

    We have all the law we need. Probably too much.

    What we lack is ORDER. When disorder gets too out of hand, those who want to live in an ordered society will defy all the bullshit to restore order. They will find a leader and he will end this shit once and for all. Many tattooed people will pay. Their fun will end.

    • Replies: @Charles
  146. Ranchpig says:

    I still can’t believe how well the PR and Mind Kontrol has infiltrated this site. So many of you claim to be awakened to the way things work, but at least 90% of the replies seem to indicate that there is a difference between the 2 Party system.
    It’s like you really believe wrestling isn’t theater.
    Even Saker though stating there isn’t a difference believes there is. This is LITERALLY cognitive dissonance. LOL. Holding two mutually exclusive ideas as being both correct.

    Trump is a Patriot Pacification Program. Isn’t it obvious? He’s always been some kind of manufactured lightning rod meant to keep ‘normal’ Americans hopeful in this nightmare system. The “left” has just pivoted harder to pull the “right” along with it.

    You say you’re awake, but your comments betray you.

    I know we “want” to believe there’s a hero, however flawed, coming to help us, but it’s illusion. These elite are all Mammon worshipers and hell bent on civilizational suicide.

    • Agree: Harold Smith, gay troll
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Precious
  147. @Precious

    Go away, jew liar.

    • Thanks: dogbumbreath
    • Replies: @Precious
  148. @Patricus

    Never mind. It is “One step back and two steps forward. (Lenin)
    Actually US made Great leap forward when after ww2 they did appropriate a[[ technological progress from National Socialistic Germany. All US did was made things faster and cheaper.
    But anyway it is nice to see patriotic faithful person in the time of coming desperation.

    • Replies: @Patricus
  149. Precious says:
    @Harold Smith

    Go away

    ^Request denied.

    jew liar

    ^Projection

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  150. @PetrOldSack

    Thank you! I am very very smart!!! (Just kidding)

  151. Cyrano says:
    @Patricus

    You want me to describe the relationship between your elites and the majority of the Americans?

    It’s like this. US elites are like an old geezer who has a young mistress – the Americans – who is not very bright, as a matter of fact she is a bimbo.

    For her birthday, her rich old boyfriend decides to buy her a special present. It’s an expensive gold watch called “socialism”, but then he has second thoughts, knowing that he is dealing with a bimbo, so he buys her a cheap imitation called “multiculturalism”, and the stupid bimbo can’t tell the difference and thinks that she has been treated well. Quite a present it is. Enjoy it.

  152. @TG

    Trump cannot and will not do anything relevant unless Republicans take Congress.

  153. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ranchpig

    So many of you claim to be awakened to the way things work, but at least 90% of the replies seem to indicate that there is a difference between the 2 Party system.

    On the contrary, your comment is standard propaganda. Here’s how it really works for the professional politicians.

    1. Money and power talks. Politicians assemble coalitions of voters by giving them money (Social Security, tax reductions or exemptions, licenses to develop resources, etc.) or power (criminal law exemptions, the right to dominate other groups, tort reforms that favor lawyers and some plaintifs, etc.) Both parties do this. As far as the professionals go, they’d rather than the election go to the side best at coalition building. Typically, there is a dominant party that can win sometimes, and that party makes an agreement with the other party. The agreement keeps the system stable, keeps the out of office party alive, and tends to enhance the legitimacy of the system.

    2. Coalition building has limits. There are only so many favors that can be granted, and somebody has to lose. Losers who lose a lot tend to complain and spoil the favors. We’re looking at something like that now, with the right to riot stirring up some objections from the people where the riots are staged. As a result, professional politicians attempt to confuse the electorate that is not part of a coalition. Statements such as “Both parties are the same” are typical of this effort, as are “Our opponents are bad people”. The more independent voters who do not vote, or who vote at random, the better. The independent vote is usually canceled out, leaving the professionals to win by 5% or so.

    3. Coalitions tend to shrink over time. Reward maximizing politicians are always looking to reduce rewards for their coalitions, so that they can keep the money/power themselves. That’s why 5% victories are more common than landslides. Being a politician is hard work, usually exhausting, and anything that increases the reward/work ratio is grabbed. WW II was won in the US by a coalition of New Deal and Dominant Corporations. The New Deal was big city political machines, labor unions, and the Solid South. By 1960, the coalition was down to the big city political machines, who had knocked out all other members of the WW II coalition.

    3. Professional politicians can be defeated in at least two ways:
    a) The independent voters, that part of the population outside the coalitions, can vote as a block instead of at random or not at all. That’s primarily how Pres. Trump was elected.
    b) The professional politicians can miscalculate and shed too many of their coalition members. That also contributed to Pres. Trump’s election. White members belonging to organizations that were members of the Democratic coalition voted for Pres. Trump after H. Clinton made it clear that Whites of any sort were no longer members of the Democratic Coalition, and would not be rewarded. Anti-White racism helped elect Pres. Trump.

    So: You’re simply repeating propaganda from Section 2, above. You’re also doing it in a fairly hackneyed and formulaic way. Your rationale can be summarized as: those who disagree with me are bad people.

    Well, if that’s the comment you want to make, feel free. You might, however, be wasting your time.

  154. @Harold Smith

    I was tempted to hit the troll button, but I’ll merely disagree. Trump has remarkably held fast against his neo con cabinet and his Rasputan son in law Kushner.
    Trump deserves credit for at least that much.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  155. @Majority of One

    You sound like an I’ll informed troll. Stalin, Mao… Now please kindly fuck off!

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  156. @g8way

    The US has the most imperialist people in history. The very existence of countries that have different social systems (Venezuela), or are a threat to hegemony(China), or any other country that upsets the US (Iran, Iraq, Syria, Russia) and nearly everybody is onboard for war, and opposition is traitorous.

    • Agree: Robjil
  157. @Anon

    The last thing the deep state wants is a U.S. civil war? What the hell do you think is going on now?

  158. DickyGee says:

    I’ve read a lot of The Saker’s pieces for a few years now and appreciate his insights about both the U.S. the “Anglo-Zionist” Empire, international politics in general, and Russia, of course, etc. However, I do think he’s got his analysis about “who is worse” for America now backwards. I completely agree that both political parties and major govt institutions (congress, exec branch) are thoroughly corrupt, that they serve the interests of the “rulers” of America who include big corporations, financial elites and various oligarchs, the MIC, the national security bureaucracy and the Israeli lobbies. But I don’t agree that the Dems/Liberals/BLMers are the principal actors backing, inciting and inflaming the violence that is emerging out of the demonstrations. They generally support the demonstrations and protests for valid reasons as systemic racism has been and still is a huge problem in America. Yet things are getting”out of hand” as more protests than usual have morphed into burning, looting and brawling. This new development has featured uninvited guests showing up at the party: rogues, provocateurs, vigilantes, and other miscreants — some with names like “Anarchists,” Antifa, and dangerous White Supremacists like the Boogaloo Bois, “Proud Boys,” and various militia types carrying AR-15s, etc.

    From the “get go” in Minneapolis, outsiders showed up — on the night before the demonstration after George Floyd was killed. A professor friend of mine who lives there recounted his neighbors observing several men dressed in dark clothing, running, carrying weapons who appeared to be connected to unfamiliar vehicles with no license plates parked on the street. It didn’t take long for the continuing Portland protests to start to turn ugly . . . then when white police shot Jacob Blake in the back 7 times, all “Hell” broke loose again, etc. (3 white cops shooting an unarmed black man just wasn’t going to go down “well” in today’s environment). Through all of this, as we began to see increasing violence both by police, demonstrators, and outliers, Trump tried to “pin” the violence on Antifa which isn’t really an organized group per se, and is not as violent as White Supremacist groups by a long ways (the FBI labels them as the number one domestic threat).

    The Trumpster has gone out of his way to play on “division” and hate politically by inciting violence rhetorically (tweeting and in speeches), encouraging police to be “tough” (providing license for increased violence by the authorities) and sending militarized federal police uninvited to Portland which resulted in more violence, all the while “posing” as the supporter of “Law and Order.” As is plainly evident, too many malignant forces from outside have polluted valid protests leading to hatred and frustration and an increasingly polarized U.S. population. Trump has been a key figure “stirring the pot” here as his entire approach to wielding power has been and is to “divide” not unify.

    Certainly the Dems and their Intel friends didn’t help their case by foisting the bogus “Russiagate” hysteria and then Impeachment proceedings on Trump — in fact, Trump likely gained from these machinations and shored up his base in the process. What is now hurting Trump is his cluelessness and lack of leadership in dealing with the Pandemic, choosing to divide instead of unify again, and the resulting extreme harm done to the economy which he had plenty of time to prepare for, leaving the U.S. the “basket case” of the world on both counts (except for Wall Street, of course, which can only be sustained for so long by the FED). This is likely Trump’s Waterloo — except that now, both sides are setting themselves up to refuse the “victory” of the other . . . an unprecedented state of affairs, reflecting just how dysfunctional and dis-unified the country now is. There’s no question the “Empire” is fading as China and Russia rise, but 4 more years of Trump, more tax cuts for the rich and corporations, abandonment of millions more Americans to poverty and joblessness and continuing to rape and pillage of the public protections we have left in this country — not to mention very possibly backing into war with Iran or China — simply is too much for two thirds of the country.

    What to do? Biden and Company aren’t much better, but they signal, at least, a return to a more “normal” face in the White House and on what’s left of “Empire.” Wall Street and the global U.S. War Machine will still be the guiding forces, but enough Dems and “powers that be” realize that a lot more money and jobs have to find their way to the “little people” of America however its accomplished, if we are to remain afloat.

  159. Precious says:
    @Ranchpig

    I still can’t believe how well the PR and Mind Kontrol has infiltrated this site. So many of you claim to be awakened to the way things work, but at least 90% of the replies seem to indicate that there is a difference between the 2 Party system. It’s like you really believe wrestling isn’t theater.

    It is true there used to be no real difference. But in 2016 Trump really did bring a foreign object into the wrestling ring and since then he has inflicted permanent brain damage on some of the Democratic party wrestlers and caused a bunch of Republican party wrestlers to retire early.

    Now it is just Trump winning every match because the brain damage is causing the other wrestlers to leave the ring and start mauling the fans.

  160. @DickyGee

    Ok, thanks for that bit of wisdom.

    You can go back to watching CNN now, Dicky.

    • Agree: Johnny Rico
  161. @Precious

    ^Request denied.

    A good example of jewish unreasonableness.

    ^Projection

    A good example of jewish dishonesty.

    • Replies: @Precious
  162. Precious says:
    @Harold Smith

    A good example of jewish unreasonableness.

    ^Projection

    A good example of jewish dishonesty.

    No Harold, I don’t have your genetic heritage or your problem.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  163. @VinnyVette

    “I was tempted to hit the troll button, but I’ll merely disagree.”

    Aw shucks. Being called a “troll” by the likes of you would be a better endorsement for my comment than your mere disagreement, although any disapproval is appreciated.

    “Trump has remarkably held fast against his neo con cabinet and his Rasputan son in law Kushner.
    Trump deserves credit for at least that much.”

    Talk about “lowering the bar”…ROTFL! In that case why not give him the Nobel Peace Prize because the nuclear war he’s made more likely hasn’t happened yet?

    • Replies: @Precious
  164. @Precious

    “^Projection”

    Yet another example of jewish dishonesty.

    “No Harold, I don’t have your genetic heritage…”

    Of course you don’t; you’re jewish.

    “…or your problem .”

    Of course you don’t; you’re jewish.

    • Replies: @Precious
  165. @DickyGee

    You’re comment was well… Laughable! As well as completely I’ll informed re Biden.

  166. anon[533] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    Alden,

    Knoxville is quite white, 75% if you check wikipedia. Lexington looks at least as white as Knoxville. Knoxville is 17% black. I was assuming the other cities I mentioned were at least 70% white (at least in their MSA’s). I just remembered the visual of a thousand blacks surrounding the White House during the Floyd riots and thinking to myself that I’d rather the White House be out in a rural area, guarded like Ft. Knox (perhaps at a military base area like Ft. Cambell)where no damned mayor could call off the dogs, and the rioters would know it.

    I agree with you that D.C.’s demographics should be made to change. Louts and layabouts should not infest our capital city that foreign dignitaries see.

  167. Richard B says:
    @Juri

    What are the chances for Samson option ?

    What do you think is happening now?

    The Samsom Option doesn’t have to come in just one form. The important point about the Samson Option is what it says about the people who came up with the idea in the first place.

    And what it says is, for all of their brazen effrontery, even they don’t have a lot of confidence in their social management skills. When one considers what they have done to the city that has served as their HQ for 100+ years, New York, that lack of confidence is not only justified, it’s already been confirmed.

    They might have been good at infiltration, subversion, radical ingratitude, betrayal, destruction and death. But they’re no good at social management.

    As I’ve said before and will say again, because it’s worth repeating, what we’re witnessing now is nothing less than The Pyrrhic Victory Of The Hostile Elite.
    Nothing quite fails like their success. It’s possible that even their proxies will rue the day they believed in them.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  168. Anonymous[309] • Disclaimer says:
    @DickyGee

    What a steaming pile of horseshit. Everything from you trying to equate being in a militia to being a white supremacist to claiming that antifa isn’t organized is complete poppycock. The democrats dont give a shit about the little guy or things like workers rights. The threw that off when they became nazis and embraced identity politics.

  169. @yurivku

    You forget what happened in 1917-8 and again in 1941-1945. And also, you have rocks in your head. Jus sayin

  170. Flubber says:
    @John Johnson

    Dont forget the Soros puppet DA’s who refuse to prosecute the rioters.

    As Trump has said, Democrats voters need a cold plate of the results of voting Democrat.

  171. @Anonymous

    “could say a lot more about these sites but I won’t because”

    Wrong. It’s because you are full of shit and have been making stuff up and fantasizing about being important your whole life.

    This is the Saker on UNZ. The Saker is full of shit and he is a magnet for fake news full of shit fanboys.

  172. Biff says:
    @GMC

    Needs repeating.

    The domestic USA can go down in flames, but the NWO and their foreign policy can go on for a long time because they have the Federal reserve money, the drug and weapons money, and the international corporate money. And I’m sure there are more donors out there – too. Remember, this was all planned.

    I don’t think the average American realizes how expendable they really are. The only proof they need is soaring unemployment and the tanking of their local economy while the stock market and the 1% make record gains.

    • Agree: GMC, RadicalCenter
  173. Precious says:
    @Harold Smith

    Yet another example of jewish dishonesty.

    No Harold, I don’t have your genetic heritage or your problem.

    Of course you don’t; you’re jewish. Of course you don’t; you’re jewish.

    No Harold, I am not like you.

  174. Precious says:
    @Harold Smith

    Talk about “lowering the bar”…ROTFL! In that case why not give him the Nobel Peace Prize because the nuclear war he’s made more likely hasn’t happened yet?

    Trump : 3 peace deals, 0 wars

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @Harold Smith
    , @Vojkan
  175. anon[126] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    if the Hegemon implodes I anticipate social revolutions all over the place..revolutions if successful, would lead to independent self-reliant polices by new revolutionary states.

    a newly enfeebled Hegemon would let loose all manner of social movement in the world, lots unpredictable. but there is bound to be a lot of revolutionary activity against the Uncle Tom admins set up the Hegemon all over the place. most will be tossed, overthrown!

    and the first thing the new political organization of such states would do is seek to take care of their people by and on their own resources, in independent self-reliance. they wont have a choice either but to rely on what they have what they can do with it, out of their own intellectual and skilled and labor.

    if the Hegemon implodes I do not see a cowering world as a result sitting and waiting in the usual subservient posture for something to happen, or in thrall to the dying Hegemon. they are all likely to get up moving fully in their own self interested directions

  176. Saker and the right wingers really getting into this wrasslin’ match. I could swear I remember hearing this same talk last time, and the time before that. Obama is a communist Muslim who is gonna take yer guns! OMG!

    Whos it gonna be Randy? Will Hulk Hogan get back up off the mat and take The Ultimate Warrior down for the count? Who will be the winner in the most crucial and anticipated matchup in history!? Who knows! I’m glued to the teevee though!

    The only way to stop what is happening under Trump, is to re-elect Trump! How much goddamn crack you gotta smoke before your brain is this fried?

    I told yall by the time this was over the alt-right would be punching each other to get in the booth to vote for their hero Trump. Its the only way to stop the super scary antifas! Same with the lefties, they’re scared as hell because literally Hitler, and Nazis, they’ll be falling over one another to vote for their savior Biden.

    And nothing will change or get better for any of the 99%. Same as it ever was.

    Well done CIA, Hollywood, Wall St and the establishment. Another successful Voteamania pulled off! One for the history books! They hate us for our freedumbs! Woohoo capitalism!

    Hey, what if the held an election, and no one showed up? Might be a good first step..

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
  177. TKK says:
    @Redman

    That is true- he has been fighting off a brazen coup from the moment he declared he was running.

    Study on this: When Trump first got word of the Wuhan Virus, he closed the border with China.

    He was immediately branded as Anti-Chinese and, of course- racist.

    Now, unbelievably, he is vilified for not taking strong enough measures- actually called a murderer.

    It is a big Gordian knot:

    He never had a fair shake. And Biden is an abomination.

    With that said, I am still believe Trump is a salesman. Trump and his family will said off into the cozy rooms of Palm Beach Mansions and Scottish castles, protected for life.

    The middle class will be left with the big nothing burger that was this Paper Tiger’s Tweets.

  178. Precious says:

    The only way to stop what is happening under Trump, is to re-elect Trump! How much goddamn crack you gotta smoke before your brain is this fried?

    I don’t want to stop what is happening under Trump…census dropping illegals from the count, peace deals, building the wall, voter fraud being prosecuted, Russia being checkmated in the Middle East, tariffs on China…

    I want to stop what is happening under Democrats…violent, dangerous, rioting mobs burning and looting American cities.

  179. @VinnyVette

    “Ill-informed”? Look who’s talking, stalking, gawking.

    • Replies: @VinnyVette
  180. @MLK

    That will be a function of the outcome on election night.

    Here’s what you have to realize about the DIFFERENCE in the upcoming election. We won’t have final results on Nov 3. The Covid scam has caused many (most?) states to change their election rules.

    I have not heard the national media cover this at all so, most don’t seem to be aware of it. Here are two examples:
    OHIO – (with a Repub Gov) states that a mailed ballot must be postmarked by Nov 2, the day before the election BUT they provided a window of 10 days to receive it, Nov 13. WTF is that? Insane, in my opinion. And if canvassing means the same thing as certifying, they don’t have to make the results official until Nov 24!! See calendar, scroll to dates: https://www.ohiosos.gov/globalassets/publications/election/2020electioncalendar_12x18.pdf

    Next door, in KY, ballots must be postmarked BY election day, not REC’D BY, which is usual and they are allowing 3 more days for receipt of them. Dem Governor changed the rules in mid-August and I’m guessing that only because of a Repub SoS, did that window get shortened to 3 days.

    Just install in a search engine: any state name and the words election commission and you’ll find the site quickly. Look for the calendar to see what the rules are in that state.

    So, with very early voting this year and the extended time periods for receipt of mailed ballots there is baked-in and epic opportunity for cheating and creating all manner of confused chaos for a week or more.

    And while everyone is focused on the manufactured mess in the Presidential race, the Dems will be stealing numerous seats in the Senate and House, like they did in 2018. It will be a fiery trainwreck of an election.

    • Replies: @MLK
  181. @Majority of One

    Yeah appears to be you get a life…

  182. @Precious

    “Trump : 3 peace deals…”

    Yep, as in all “deal” and no actual “peace”; just the kind of cynical election year BS we should expect from con man Trump.

    “…0 wars”

    Yep, as in “zero wars ended“; and risks taken that could’ve started wars; tensions dangerously escalated, e.g. with Iran and China; and a dangerous and costly new arms race started that will likely end in a nuclear war.

    No wonder you jew supremacists love the evil orange clown so much.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Precious
  183. @Anon

    Haha that’s funny: let the White House stay in Black Washington. It’s the contrast that makes it White.

    However, if that Harris broad is voted in, she will no doubt rebaptize the White House. Thus you may have a Black House, Or, in honor of her own skin color, the Brown House, which would be posthumous homage to the Nazis, but I doubt the woman will realize it.

    Come to think of it, the very word “House” is not inclusive, since so many Americans are now living in tents, makeshift shelters, or on the streets.

    Words can be treacherous: once you begin to tamper with their meaning, you may end up with no language at all. That’s when violence replaces language, which is already evident everywhere in the US.

    • Thanks: Robjil
  184. Some things to consider and points that must be made.

    “On today’s Flame we pull back the covers on what’s currently taking place, as “Operation Chaos” descends upon us. Who is really behind it all? Are there multiple groups vying for power? And what role does Steve Pieczenick play in all this?”

  185. PhilK says:
    @AndrewR

    He cannot (or will not) stop the riots now then he obviously will not be able to or will not want to do so ever.

    He could easily stop the riots, but why interrupt antifa/blm while they’re doing such a stellar job of schooling ordinary Americans about what the Dems have in store for them if they win?

  186. PhilK says:
    @Notsofast

    I hope you’re right, but I’m not very optimistic.

  187. Vojkan says:
    @JoaoAlfaiate

    F.M. Dostoevsky, Бесьи, Part III, Chapter I. Yep, they’re awful but Trump is too.

    • Replies: @JoaoAlfaiate
  188. Vojkan says:
    @Patricus

    Nope, that civilisation reached its pinnacle in Europe in the 18th and 19th centuries, when all the greatest novels were written, the greatest music was composed and the greatest advances in understanding nature, the universe and ourselves were made. The USA is only the pinnacle of brute force, nothing else.

    • Agree: Robjil, Biff
    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
  189. MLK says:
    @The Real World

    I stand by what I wrote. Though what you did is accurate.

    The results announced on election night may well constitute ‘Be careful of what you wish for . . . ” in the form of projecting a Trump landslide, regardless of what they claim in a vacuum about outstanding mail-in ballots.

    Remember, this ain’t the first election! All of the previous results — precincts; counties; states — is available. They’re not going to be able to sell discrete fairy stories without regard to the outcomes elsewhere if Trump’s actual margin is too large.

    Needless to say, that’s an “If . . .”

    I’m anything but a pollyanna but I consider it a distinct possibility that it’s the outcome of Congressional races — and thus party control of the new House, not the presidential race, that they will have thrown into weeks or even months of chaos through their mail-in ballot machinations.

    Under their newfangled Count All The Votes, Fake News CNN and MSDNC will close out their election night coverage with something like 245 Electoral Votes called for Trump to as low as 85 for Sleepy Joe and ‘Heels Up’ Harris, with an astounding 208 awaiting determination.

    • Replies: @The Real World
  190. A123 says:
    @Harold Smith

    Zero Wars started…..

    You want your SJW NeoConDemocrats and their foreign wars. Your attachment to Biden-Harris is very clear.

    Those of us who want to avoid war will vote for the current President who has a proven track record of not starting wars.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Vojkan
    , @Harold Smith
  191. LBM and Antifa are doing what they are doing because there is still a government .Once real anarchy brakes and a real fight begin they will disappear or lose in less than 24 hours.Best scenario for them will be taking some states for them, the people from those state will come to Florida or Texas.

  192. Vojkan says:
    @A123

    It’s not as if he hasn’t tried. He has done everything he could to lure Iranians into providing him a casus belli but the ‘crazy islamic fanatics’ – according to ziomedia – ruling Iran have so far refused to oblige. Zionists want Iran taken out. Trump is a zio-puppet. If he wins a second term, he has free rein vis-à-vis his electorate. Do the math.

    • Replies: @A123
  193. @Vojkan

    Good going.

    I think “The Devils” or “The Possessed” as it is known in English has much to say about the US’s current situation in which we have many allegedly educated folks and a rabble which tags along with them wanting to destroy the country with the intent of creating something new and better on the ashes:

    “…he rejects morality as such and is in favor of the latest principle of general destruction for the sake of the ultimate good.” (“The Devils”, Part I 3,4)

    Trotskyite before Trotsky (aka Lev Bronstein) as I believe the novel dates to circa 1870.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  194. JI says:
    @SteveK9

    Thanks for the book recc. I’m “red pilled” and recognize the poison when I see/hear it, but have often wondered about the philosophy and philosophers who created it.

  195. @MLK

    Please know I wasn’t implying that you are naive or a pollyanna. Rather, I think most don’t know about the change in election rules — that allows many days after Nov 3 for ballots to be rec’d — because the MSM hasn’t covered it. My comment was also related to all offices up for vote, not just POTUS.

    I do think it possible that the Dems realize they can’t win the top office so their intent is too create so much commotion related to POTUS that people aren’t paying attention when they steal control of the Senate and increase House seats. They’ll neuter Trump’s agenda that way. Would love to be wrong about all of this but the set-up is pretty clear.

    Under their newfangled Count All The Votes, Fake News CNN and MSDNC will close out their election night coverage with something like 245 Electoral Votes called for Trump to as low as 85 for Sleepy Joe and ‘Heels Up’ Harris, with an astounding 208 awaiting determination.

    That wouldn’t surprise me at all.

    • Replies: @MLK
  196. A123 says:
    @Vojkan

    It’s not as if he hasn’t tried. He has done everything he could to lure Iranians into providing him a casus belli but the ‘crazy islamic fanatics’ – according to ziomedia – ruling Iran have so far refused to oblige. Zionists want Iran taken out. Trump is a zio-puppet. If he wins a second term, he has free rein vis-à-vis his electorate. Do the math.

    ROTFLMAO … Detachment from reality as severe as yours may be a medically diagnosable psychiatric condition.

    Let me Fix That For You.

    It’s not as if sociopath Khameni has not tried. The Ayatollah has done everything he could to lure the U.S. into providing him a casus belli but the Patriot elected to lead America refused to oblige. The Iranian theocracy is collapsing and the Mullahs are desperate to avoid execution at the hands of the Iranian people.

    If the Ayatollah receives more pallets of money, he will have free rein for more violence against the innocent. Do the math. More Biden = More Khameni = More Jihadi Murders.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Vojkan
    , @anonymous
  197. @A123

    “Zero Wars started…..”

    That’s pure pedantry. If we define “war” narrowly, i.e. ‘war” = “shooting war,” then your statement may be technically correct but only because a “shooting war” must involve at least two parties, and the other parties involved showed restraint to Trump’s provocations, thus preventing escalation. But even if technically correct your statement is misleading because Trump’s brazen serial provocations leave no doubt that he was trying to start a shooting war.

    Using a more realistic definition, i.e. “war” = “hybrid war,” anyone paying attention can see that the evil orange clown has actually started or greatly escalated the wars against Russia, China, Iran, Syria and Venezuela (and we can apparently add Belarus to that list). Moreover, by way of his repudiation of the doctrine of mutually assured destruction and adoption of the nuclear war is winnable concept, the evil orange clown has actually started a hybrid war against all life on earth.

    “You want your SJW NeoConDemocrats and their foreign wars. Your attachment to Biden-Harris is very clear.”

    Please give up on the absurd Biden strawman. (BTW as I’ve mentioned several times here in other comments, it seems clear that Biden is nothing more than a stage prop in a fraudulent election where the goal is to reinstall the evil orange clown).

    “Those of us who want to avoid war will vote for the current President who has a proven track record of not starting wars.”

    LOL! See above.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @anon
  198. Vojkan says:
    @JoaoAlfaiate

    Well, it took me a little effort since my copy is a French translation. Dostoevsky’s novel is THE book on revolution and revolutionaries.
    That said, whichever of the two main parties’ candidates they sent to the WH this fall, the Americans are screwed. On the other hand, the rest of the world will be a little less screwed if it is someone predictable like Biden than if it is someone erratic like Trump.

  199. Vojkan says:
    @A123

    The only words that come to my mind to answer you are “thank you”. You’ve just proven why Biden is a lesser evil for the world than Trump.

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  200. MLK says:
    @The Real World

    I completely agree with your down ballot thoughts and concerns. It’ll be interesting to see whether the Democrats success in delaying the official tabulation this election ends up biting them in the ass. Including on key House and Senate elections.

    Probabilities are just that. In other words there are many possible outcomes that include this going completely off the rails as many fear.

    But, regardless of what the Fake News is jabber-jabbering, this election night will be rather different from previous ones in that the early results from every single state, even those called or not viewed as in play, may tell a tale that constrains Democrat-stealing elsewhere, regardless of how much time they think they’ve bought themselves through mail-in ballots.

  201. @Richard B

    Since I can never get anything through moderation with Sailer, I’ll just re-post here. It works as a reply to your post:

    Whites have enough high IQ people to develop and run a complex civilization, and Europe and North America are proof of that. Among the less than genius whites, there are enough people to farm, fight, build, work, etc. to keep a complex society working. Jews can’t compete, which is why they have to rely on an unstable mix of resentful whites, minorities, and immigrants to run the country.

    I’ll go with the history of white European achievement over the shaky claims of Jewish supremacy any day. If Jews are so smart, they would have taken a place among America’s elites and not tried take over with a coalition that may actually wind up hating them in the end.

    • Agree: Vojkan, Richard B
  202. Precious says:
    @Harold Smith

    Yep, as in all “deal” and no actual “peace”; just the kind of cynical election year BS we should expect from con man Trump.

    I understand the cynicism, but Israel, UAE and Bahrain just signed the paperwork in Washington DC and I doubt it was because they thought Trump was turning over his real estate to them.

    Yep, as in “zero wars ended“;

    Wrong again, Afghanistan is already ending.

    and risks taken that could’ve started wars; tensions dangerously escalated, e.g. with Iran and China;

    Wrong, China has been at war with the USA for decades, Trump is the one who finally fought back instead of taking a payoff. As for Iran, the USA isn’t escalating with Iran, they are turning everything over to Israel and GCC to stand up to Iran.

    and a dangerous and costly new arms race started that will likely end in a nuclear war.

    You got anything to back that up other than hysterical accusations? Because Trump’s actions in the Middle East means the USA won’t need to spend on a costly new arms race to counter Iran and its backers Russia and China. Israel and GCC will do it, and the USA will reduce troop presence in the Middle East.

    No wonder you jew supremacists

    ^Projection

    love the evil orange clown

    Evil Orange Clown : Still 3 peace deals, still 0 wars. More peace deals on the way…no wars on the way.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  203. A123 says:
    @Harold Smith

    “war” = “hybrid war,” …. escalated the wars against Russia, China, Iran, Syria and Venezuela (and we can apparently add Belarus to that list).

    If “hybrid war” = “trade restrictions” then 50-75% of the nations on the plant are currently “at war” with multiple other nations.

    Concepts such as “non-shooting war” have no constructive use. Dramatic demagoguery over “hybrid war” is exclusively deployed by NeoConDemocrats and similar groups trying to create blurred lines so they can escalate to a “shooting war”.

    If you are not intentionally backing multiple foreign interventions, you are dangerously naive. If you want to avoid foreign wars, you need to stop using the language of interventionists & their collaborators.

    repudiation of the doctrine of mutually assured destruction and adoption of the nuclear war is winnable concept,

    You need to provide specific citations for this. I doubt that Trump has said that a total forces nuclear exchange with one or more major nuclear powers (U.S., China, and/or Russia) is survivable.

    In fact, Trump has done much to prevent nuclear war by heading off the inevitable JCPOA Arms Race among Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Greece, etc. The 10 year fixed time line, JCPOA Open Door clause, would have provided a signal green lighting unlimited proliferation.

    Please give up on the absurd Biden strawman.

    I’ll give up on this, if you give up on openly racist terminology such as “evil orange clown”. If you continue, everyone will see that as your personal endorsement & support for Biden’s racist core values & policies.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  204. anon[126] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harold Smith

    simply simple, clear and brilliant for that.

    great response, accurate and to the point: a program to re-install the Orange Clown who is indeed a most awful president, who may provoke his war to the detriment of us all.

    I absolutely certain the Russians and Chinese do not intend to..rather cannot.. leave a little mit standing on a rock in the desert of america when they are done. the problem is that I am in the way and I would be fried as well

  205. Vojkan says:
    @Precious

    Pardon me for being unininformed but can you specify which are those 3 peace deals? I only remember Trump scrapping one, the Iran deal, I don’t remember him making even one, let alone three. If you include the latest play with the UAE and Bahrain, electoral theatre using corrupt feudal client regimes who were never really at war with anyone doesn’t count.

    • Replies: @Precious
    , @A123
  206. @Juri

    “…some overweight lesbian affirmative action hire may want to push the button to save US and world from fascism and Nazism.”

    Actually, that was the danger with Killary… (Fight nazism with nazism, don’t you know…)

  207. Precious says:
    @Vojkan

    . If you include the latest play with the UAE and Bahrain, electoral theatre using corrupt feudal client regimes who were never really at war with anyone doesn’t count.

    Wrong, they do count. They count because now UAE and Bahrain are in alliance with Israel against the Russia and China backed Iranian hegemony that was going to leave the Middle East in a state of perpetual war with Persians vs Arabs vs Jews that would force the USA to spend tons of money maintaining a presence there.

    I only remember Trump scrapping one, the Iran deal,

    That was a war deal because Obama provided funding for Iran’s ongoing guerrilla war efforts against Europe and the Middle East. So Trump scrapped a war deal. Good for him!

    can you specify which are those 3 peace deals? I don’t remember him making even one, let alone three.

    That is because you either 1) don’t understand what is going on or 2) you are refusing to understand what is going on because doing so would be to admit that Trump is solving problems that everyone else claimed have been unsolvable since the 1950s.

    But to answer your question, the third deal is Serbia and Kosovo. I am not counting the other five countries Trump has told us are going to be coming forward to sign more peace deals. I will only count them when I know who they are…I only know that if Trump said it will happen, that means it is too late for the war mongers to stop more peace from breaking out.

    • Replies: @A123
  208. A123 says:
    @Vojkan

    can you specify which are those 3 peace deals?

    Most likely the three shown below…

    Given that Serbia-Kosovo deal is 100% Israel free it cannot be misinterpreted as some sort of nefarious plot of the JJJOOOoooozzzzzzz. Though I suspect the most rabid Anti-Semites will try anyway.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
    , @Vojkan
    , @Vojkan
  209. We must vote for Trump. Anyone that has discernment will know. Lay aside your personality dislikes and see what is happening here. This will give us a few years to fight back against the incoming technocracy of lockdowns, mask-mandates and being pumped full of chemicals so others feel safe.

    • Agree: TheTrumanShow
  210. Patricus says:
    @Zarathustra

    “Actually US made Great leap forward when after ww2 they did appropriate a[[ technological progress from National Socialistic Germany. All US did was made things faster and cheaper.”

    America was quite an industrial power in the 1920s through 1940s. Germany excelled in some things, where they still excel, such as chemical engineering and general engineering. In fact the so called European scientific enlightenment of the 18th and 19th centuries could fairly be called the German scientific enlightenment.

    Germany never matched America in general prosperity. Nevertheless, under Hitler’s leadership they made incredible progress. “Socialist” is not a good description of the Third Reich even though they include that word. Hitler was quite determined to keep corporations privately owned. Some say he would be remembered as the greatest of all German leaders if not for World War II solely because of his economic policies in the 1930s.

    I question a “coming desperation”. In the past 70 years tremendous progress has been made dealing with world hunger and there have been technological breakthroughs well beyond nuclear weapons and space boondoggles. What has changed that will now drive us into the dark ages? Barring some destructive world war I suspect my grandchildren will live far better than I have. Poverty in the world could become rare. Hunger could be eliminated for all.

    Sorry if I come across as excessively patriotic. Must say I am grateful to have been born in America. There are worse places I might have landed. We all recognize faults in our country just as we lament the failings of our local sports teams. I support the home team.

  211. @Vojkan

    In the backwoods there is a lot of muddled thinking. Trump did not assassinate Soleimani. Netanyahu did. Trump is the fall guy.

  212. Richard B says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    Couldn’t agree more. The only objection I have to your comment is that, though you did capitalize “Jewish”, you didn’t capitalize “White.”

    Jews can’t compete, which is why they have to rely on an unstable mix of resentful whites, minorities, and immigrants to run the country.

    This is exactly why I wrote in my previous comment, as I have many, many times before, that what we’re witnessing is The Pyrrhic Victory of Jewish Supremacy Inc.

    Their attempt to create a social order free of control and sustained by force has only increased the uncontrollable exercise of naked power. And it’s exactly the force of that power, relentlessly applied, that destablizes the social institutions that power controls, especially our economic institutions. The result is a devastating social incoherence and massive culture crisis. And that is the position we’re in today.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  213. @A123

    Since you mention it, what else could it be?

    • LOL: A123
  214. Vojkan says:
    @A123

    This is a reply to both you and ‘Precious’. The Serbia-Kosovo deal is not a peace deal. It is an invitation to Serbs to hate Jews with all their guts and to put Trump on top of the list of Americans that Serbs hate the most, over Madeleine Albright and the Clinton couple. The Serbia-Kosovo deal is 100% Israel. Vučić has agreed to move the Serbian embassy to Jerusalem and has agreed that Israel and Kosovo recognise each other.
    If Serbian Americans vote for Trump after it, then they are a bunch of complete degenerate morons who have their forefathers who fought for Serbia’s liberty spinning in their graves and they should burn all the Orthodox churches they have built on American soil because they are disgrace to Christian Orthodoxy. Moreover, when Vučić and his treacherous clique get finally kicked out of power, Serbian Americans who support Trump should be forbidden to ever again set foot in Serbia. I suspect the Bahraini people to feel the same about their regime as we do of ours. As a matter of fact, neither of the two regimes has any popular legitimacy and in the case of Vučić, his signature is in direct violation of both the Serbian Constitution and his presidential prerogatives. The UAE don’t count as a nation.
    Before Trump, the American people were given the benefit of the doubt, now we know that save those who vote 3rd party, you are all scum. He has succeeded indeed in making Americans hated by even more people than before.

    • Replies: @Precious
  215. @Juri

    This touched a few buttons itself! -… I was darkly thinking of this just last night; someone mentioned the crazies in the US Airforce command – they are close to the button for sure. Anyone know whatever happened to the US Navel Intelligence Office that had that very bad day on Sept 11?

    Lots of talk about US Generals … what are the colonels talking about and to whom? Historically, have not many successful military coups commenced with the colonel – not Generals – strata?

  216. @OilcanFloyd

    “Jews can’t compete”

    I have been reading Gotz Ally’s recent “Europe Against the Jews 1880-1945” – and am surprised to find that circa 1900 European ant-Semites were quite frank in claiming that it was European Christian rural, artisan and middle classes who were unable to compete relative to the Jews – the Jews were super-competitive and super successful – that was the problem that required a solution; that – and Jewish emigration from eastern Europe – would be the source of the coming conflagration.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  217. Precious says:
    @Vojkan

    This is a reply to both you and ‘Precious’. The Serbia-Kosovo deal is not a peace deal. It is an invitation to Serbs to hate Jews with all their guts and to put Trump on top of the list of Americans that Serbs hate the most, over Madeleine Albright and the Clinton couple.

    ^This is false. The Serbia Kosovo deal is a peace deal, you just deny it.

    The Serbia-Kosovo deal is 100% Israel. Vučić has agreed to move the Serbian embassy to Jerusalem and has agreed that Israel and Kosovo recognise each other.

    Not 100% Israel. It is part Israel, but 100% for Serbia and Kosovo.

    If Serbian Americans vote for Trump after it, then they are a bunch of complete degenerate morons who have their forefathers who fought for Serbia’s liberty spinning in their graves and they should burn all the Orthodox churches they have built on American soil because they are disgrace to Christian Orthodoxy. Moreover, when Vučić and his treacherous clique get finally kicked out of power, Serbian Americans who support Trump should be forbidden to ever again set foot in Serbia

    It doesn’t matter if Serbs in America vote for Trump or not, Trump has already won re-election.

    I suspect the Bahraini people to feel the same about their regime as we do of ours. As a matter of fact, neither of the two regimes has any popular legitimacy and in the case of Vučić, his signature is in direct violation of both the Serbian Constitution and his presidential prerogatives.

    That is your opinion. Obviously something in the Serbia-Kosovo deal sets you off. But it doesn’t matter, your personal opinion don’t magically change a peace deal into something else. If both regimes are thrown out and replaced with governments more to your liking, Trump will just work extra hard and hash out a new peace deal between Serbia and Kosovo and then I will get to point out Trump closed two peace deals between Serbia and Kosovo.

    The UAE don’t count as a nation.

    Because you say so? What are you, the United Nations?

    Before Trump, the American people were given the benefit of the doubt, now we know that save those who vote 3rd party, you are all scum. He has succeeded indeed in making Americans hated by even more people than before.

    I don’t care. What I care about is Americans not having to get killed because you and your neighbors can’t hash out your grievances in a civilized manner.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  218. Vojkan says:
    @A123

    I forgot in my previous reply but there are so many preposterous articles in that Serbia-Kosovo agreement with zero benefit to Serbs that it is hard to remember them all at once to put them in a single comment.
    The Serbian president has also signed to transfer to the state of Israel ownership of any property any Jew has ever owned in Serbia that has remained uninherited.
    He has signed to put the Hezbollah on Serbia’s terrorist list even though it’s none of Serbia’s business.
    He has signed to lobby for LGBT rights vis-à-vis countries that don’t “respect” them even though it’s none of Serbia’s business.
    He has signed because Trump ordered him to sign and because he’s a six foot six pile of sh*t. Yes, that’s a lot of sh*t and it stinks a lot.
    That’s Trump for you, American conservatives.

  219. A123 says:
    @Precious

    Precious,

    The anti-Semites are riled up by PEACE breaking out in the Middle East. They do not get to start their war of aggression.

    What better evidence could there be that Trump has done the right thing…. Multiple Times!

    PEACE 😇
    .

  220. Vojkan says:
    @Precious

    No he won’t. Kosovo is not a country, it is Serbian territory under foreign occupation and if Vučić decides to recognise Kosovo as an independent state, he will end up dead. And no it isn’t a peace deal. What Vučić has signed is in violation of several UNSC resolutions therefore it has no legal validity.
    Vučić’s signature is an act of treason for which he will have to answer sooner or later. Whether Trump is reelected or not doesn’t matter. Those Serbian Americans who vote for him will be forever unwelcome in Serbia. As a matter of fact, they should stop mentioning their Serbian ancestry immediately.

    • Replies: @Precious
  221. anonymous[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    the Patriot elected to lead America

    The retarded Orange-utan is a “Patriot”? Is he the scale by which “patriotism” is measured in the cesspool called AmeriKKKa? An utter degenerate lowlife in every way, is the “patriot” the fugly AmeriKKKans look up to for deliverance? Rofl!

    No wonder AmeriKKKa is known around the world as the “Great” Satan! *spit*

  222. anonymous[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    If whites were really all that “high IQ,” why-o-why do you insist on following dawn age spiritualities such as pagan mangods-worship? Can’t your “high IQ” brains comprehend that your spiritualities are quite obviously borrowed from other ancient pagan cultures, like hindooism? What do you think of hindooism? How does your “high IQ” reconcile with the absurdity of mangods-worship?

    So, since your pagan mangods-worship will doom y’all to an eternity in Hell, the question arises whether you geni-asses can “high IQ” your way out of that terrible fate.

    Somehow, I doubt that. What do you think?

  223. Precious says:
    @Vojkan

    No he won’t. Kosovo is not a country, it is Serbian territory under foreign occupation and if Vučić decides to recognise Kosovo as an independent state, he will end up dead. And no it isn’t a peace deal. What Vučić has signed is in violation of several UNSC resolutions therefore it has no legal validity.
    Vučić’s signature is an act of treason for which he will have to answer sooner or later.

    Got it. So when you say that Trump hasn’t done any peace deals, what you really mean is that Trump hasn’t given the Serbs the tanks and planes they need to wipe out the Muslims in Kosovo so there can finally be peace and you can have your land back.

    As I suspected, the people who are really unhappy with Trump are the people who want war, not peace.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  224. Vojkan says:

    OK the Saker, now that Trump’s Jewish supporters have outed themselves on this thread, are you still fond of the Orange man?
    Do I have to remind you that you owe some gratitude to the Serbs for sheltering Russians fleeing the Jewish Bolshevik terror? Are you on the side of those who gave your family refuge or on the side of those who tormented her?

    • Replies: @Precious
    , @A123
  225. Precious says:
    @Vojkan

    OK the Saker, now that Trump’s American supporters have outed themselves on this thread, are you still fond of the Orange man? I just like to lie and pretend Americans who support Trump are Jewish because I hate it when Americans dare to disagree with me and point out I want war and not peace.

    We know Vojkan. We don’t want America to turn into Serbia and Kosovo if possible, that is why Americans like me who have not one drop of Jewish blood support Trump.

  226. A123 says:
    @Vojkan

    OK the Saker, now that Trump’s Jewish supporters have outed themselves

    I am a Christian American. Not Jewish. If you want to call me a Christian Zionist….. I suppose that works.

    If you need proof. I recommend the Sweetwater Smoked Pulled Porter. OK. Technically there is no bacon, but I doubt it would score as Kosher. (1)

    Important to note, meat was not used during the brewing process. However, some of the malt was smoked in commercial smokers which IS home to meat for hours every day.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1)https://beerstreetjournal.com/sweetwater-pulled-porter/
    .

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  227. Vojkan says:
    @Precious

    Says the guy whose people have ethnically cleansed 700000 Palestinians, put them in bantustans and cheer from hilltops while their military shoot unarmed protesters behind barbed wire. Jews are the last people in the world entitled to give morality lessons to anyone.
    We have no intention of attacking the Albanians. We intend to wait. For as long as it takes. They will move out all by themselves when life in Kosovo becomes unbearable. Then we’ll move back in.
    But Jews probably won’t be there to see it because now everybody hates you. You have managed to make even those few remaining who had sympathy for you hate you. You have nowhere to go, nowhere to hide, no one to give you shelter.

    • Replies: @Precious
    , @A123
  228. @Vojkan

    The only words that come to my mind to answer you are “thank you”. You’ve just proven why Biden is a lesser evil for the world than Trump.

    And by the way, you know, I sit on the stand, and it gets hot,” Biden explained. “I got hairy legs that … turn blonde in the sun and the kids used to come up and reach in the pool and rub my leg down so it was straight and watch the hair come back up again. They’d look at it. So, I learned about roaches, I learned about kids jumping on my lap, and I’ve loved kids jumping on my lap.”

    – Joe Biden pool speech 2019

    This guy will be toast in the debates.

    I don’t think the press can keep their Manchurian candidate under wraps.

    Just not seeing it.

  229. Precious says:
    @Vojkan

    Says the guy who I just lie about and pretend is one of the people who ethnically cleansed 700000 Palestinians, put them in bantustans and cheer from hilltops while their military shoot unarmed protesters behind barbed wire. Jews are the last people in the world entitled to give morality lessons to anyone, that is why I pretend you are a Jew, so I can just disqualify you without addressing your arguments.

    We know Vojkan. Making up lies about me being Jewish is so much easier than admitting you were wrong and I was right. Or using logic and reason to address my arguments.

    But Jews probably won’t be there to see it because now everybody hates them. They have managed to make even those few remaining who had sympathy for them hate them. They have nowhere to go, nowhere to hide, no one to give them shelter.

    I don’t care. I am not Jewish.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  230. A123 says:
    @Vojkan

    ethnically cleansed 700000 Palestinians, put them in bantustans and cheer from hilltops while their military shoot unarmed protesters behind barbed wire. Jews are the last people in the world entitled to give morality lessons to anyone.

    Let’s break this down:

    — In ~600 AD Non-Palestinian Muslims ethnically cleansed Palestinian Jews & Christians
    — The number of Jews & Christians cleansed was greater than 700,000
    — Muslims did not use guns in ~600 AD. The stabbed innocent unarmed men, women, and children.
    — Non-Palestinian Muslim killing with guns and use of human shields is much later in their violent occupation of Jewish Palestine, but very frequent. This is why violent non-Palestinian Muslims are contained behind walls. It is necessary to protect true Palestinians.
    — Muslims, are the last people in the world entitled to give morality lessons from their Satanic Quran.

    When will non-Palestinian Muslims give up their failed attempt to Colonize Jewish land? It is clear that the illegal Muslim occupiers of Jewish land are rapidly losing global support.

    PEACE 😇

    PEACE

    • Replies: @Robjil
  231. @A123

    Don’t get too worked up.

    At Unz disagreeing with someone can mean you are Jewish.

    Most people here disagree over something.

    Thus most people here are Jewish.

    We are all just paid Hasbara trolls in the same building.

    I’m at the water cooler right now waving at you.

    • Agree: A123
  232. @TimeTraveller

    So you asked the question: “So. is [Trump] just grovelling to his Gods or is he setting up a false flag?”

    My apologies, I misunderstood it as being a *genuine request for information.

    You: “don’t worry that your government is under total Jewish control. You should support it anyway.”

    If that’s what you took away from my response – you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.

    Ever wondered why TPTB continuously get away with their lies, false-flags and assassinations?

    Because the ill-informed and misinformed like you, never know where to look.

    My intention was to inform you that what you posted is fake news.

    Hahaha, thanks for playing!

  233. c matt says:

    To take the Titanic analogy a little further, who is the captain make not make much of a difference whether the ship sinks, but it might make a difference as to who gets on the life boats.

  234. “(I can personally attest to the fact that the country where I obtained my degrees in 1986-1991 is a totally different country from the one I am living in now. Thirty years ago there was real ideological freedom and pluralism in the US, and differences of opinion, even profound ones, were considered normal).”

    Unlike you, I was born here. And I can attest to the fact that the ZOG’s dictatorship was as vicious from the late 60s onward as it is now. As French writer Jean Cau (1925-1993) wrote on the first page of his « Discours de la Décadence » (1978) :

    “What health have we lost since we are sick?”, “What courage has abandoned us since we are cowardly?”, “What slavery shall be ours since we already are on our knees?”, “What fights have we deserted since we threw away our weapons?”. The entire 190-page book is a prophecy come true.

  235. Vojkan says:
    @Precious

    I stand corrected but given your enthusiasm for “deals” that benefit the most Israel, I think that my mistake is excusable.
    As for logic, you’re the one with a problem. When one side is imposed terms, it is not a deal it is a diktat. Furthermore, if the object of the diktat has no legal authority to accept it then whatever he signs engages only him because he represents only himself.
    What Vučić has signed is rejected by everyone in Serbia who read it. To the point that his sycophants are trying to spin that what he signed is not a deal but only a letter of intentions.
    Even formally, it can’t be called a deal because Vučić is the sole signatory of the document Trump has put under his nose and a deal requires that there’d be at least two.
    There is absolutely nothing in that document that Serbs want. Not even the highway linking Niš to Priština to Durres in Albania. If we really wanted to send tanks to Kosovo, we’d want that highway but we don’t want it. I live in Niš and I don’t want Albanians bandits anywhere near my town. No one in Niš and no one in Serbia wants Albanian mobsters roaming freely through the country.
    We don’t want a mini-Shengen, we don’t want to pay for highways that we’ll never use, we don’t want our embassy in Jerusalem, we don’t want to lobby for LGBT rights, we don’t want to designate Hezbollah as terrorists, we don’t want to be racketed by Israel, we don’t give a f*ck if Israel recognises Kosovo because we don’t, we don’t want to be the enemies of Russia, China and the Islamic world, we don’t need new enemies and we don’t want to make new enemies to please Israel or Trump.
    We will get rid of the moron Vučić eventually and we will tear down the document he has signed. It violates the Serbian constitution, it violates several UNSC resolutions and Vučić had no legal authority to sign it. We will tear it down because it is illegal.

    • Replies: @Precious
  236. @ariadna

    Ariadna, he does us all a great service as now that his cover is blown, with every comment, he informs us of what not to believe.

    Saves us all a lot of time and effort …

    Cheers

  237. c matt says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Loss of empire would be seen as a bad thing by most Americans because it would be a bad thing for most Americans for one simple reason – the US dollar’s loss of status as the world reserve currency. The interfering has less to do with traditional expansionist/resource exploitation notions than it does with being the reserve currency which allows the “quantitative easing” without inflation/high interest rates. Two things allow the US to hold on to that status – military might and the sense of relative stability. If true civil war comes, then that status is over.

  238. @Realist

    “The biggest reason that voting doesn’t matter … is the Deep State controls this country” – agreed.

    “If voting made a difference, they wouldn’t let us do it” – often attributed to American humorist Mark Twain

    But worse still …

    “A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.” – George Orwell

    [emphasis mine]

    Cheers!

    • Agree: Realist
  239. Precious says:
    @Vojkan

    I will admit that if even just 1/3 of Serbs think as you do, then Trump’s Serbia-Kosovo deal isn’t worth anything. Fine, from now on I will just say two peace deals.

    Trump is the first president in a long time who isn’t happily throwing America into new wars which is why I use peace deals as a counter rhetorical point when someone like Harold starts using rhetoric about Trump being a dangerous warmonger.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  240. Robjil says:
    @A123

    Something happened in 614 AD. It is something our Zion Overlords don’t want us to know about.

    Here is bit about it.

    https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=201070

    In 614 local Palestinian Jews allied with their Babylonian co-religionists and assisted the Persians in their conquest of the Holy Land. 26,000 Jews participated in the onslaught. In the aftermath of the Persian victory, the Jews perpetrated a massive holocaust of the Gentiles of Palestine. They burned the churches and the monasteries, killed monks and priests, burned books. The beautiful basilica of Fishes and Loaves in Tabgha, the Ascension on the Mount of Olives, St Stephen opposite Damascus Gate and the Hagia Sion on Mt Zion are just at the top of the list of perished edifices. Indeed, very few churches survived the onslaught. The Great Laura of St Sabas, tucked away in the bottomless Ravine of Fire (Wadi an-Nar) was saved by its remote location and steep crags. The Church of the Nativity miraculously survived: when Jews commanded its destruction, the Persians balked. They perceived the Magi mosaic above the lintel as the portrait of Persian kings.

    The violence continued to another level. Jewish Supremacists have no compassion for non-Jews. We see the same behavior in Bolshevik Revolution, Weimar Republic, Palestine of today and USA of today.

    This devastation was not the worst crime. When Jerusalem surrendered to the Persians, thousands of local Christians became prisoners of war and were herded to the Mamilla Pool area. The Israeli archaeologist Ronny Reich writes:

    They were probably sold to the highest bidder. According to some sources, the Christian captives at Mamilla Pond were bought by Jews and were then slain on the spot.
    The Oxford Professor Henry Hart Milman’s History of the Jews describes it in stronger terms:
    It had come at length, the long-expected hour of triumph and vengeance; and the Jews did not neglect the opportunity. They washed away the profanation of the holy city in Christian blood. The Persians are said to have sold the miserable captives for money. The vengeance of the Jews was stronger than their avarice; not only did they not scruple to sacrifice their treasures in the purchase of these devoted bondsmen, they put to death all they had purchased at a lavish price. It was a rumour of the time that 90,000 perished.

    • Replies: @A123
  241. Vojkan says:
    @Precious

    Roughly, judging by comments on Serb sites, 60% of Serbs with an IQ > 105, 80% with an IQ > 120, 100% with an IQ > 132 (the MENSA threshold). In short, the smarter Serbs are, the more disgusted they are.

  242. Smith says:

    Still gonna stick with Trump, even thought I’m not even an american and can’t vote.

    We need him to end America, he’s the accelerationist candidate. Biden is going to keep America going, like a late stage cancer patient and the media will be 100% on Biden’s side.

  243. @Richard B

    Couldn’t agree more. The only objection I have to your comment is that, though you did capitalize “Jewish”, you didn’t capitalize “White.”

    White should be capitalized.

  244. @RegretLeft

    European ant-Semites were quite frank in claiming that it was European Christian rural, artisan and middle classes who were unable to compete relative to the Jews…..

    I doubt that anyone ever claimed that Jews were better farmers, craftsmen, artisans, workers, soldiers, etc. than their European Christian counterparts. European civilization also shows how elite Christians compared to Jews.

    My point is that average iq is meaningless when one group is well balanced, and the other group isn’t. Jews aren’t even in the same ballpark as Europeans, Chinese, Japanese, Persians, Hindus, Muslims and others when it comes to building civilizations. Every one of those groups matches Jewish elites, and has/had the stratification needed below to fill the needed gaps below for civilization to flourish.

    Jews need us. We don’t need you, and would do much better without you.

  245. A123 says:
    @Robjil

    Thank you for openly identifying the Taqiyya deception site “thetruthseeker.co.uk”.

    Now that we all know it contains deranged blood libels & painfully obvious lies, everyone can avoid its Satanic deception.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Robjil
  246. @Precious

    Yep, as in all “deal” and no actual “peace”; just the kind of cynical election year BS we should expect from con man Trump.

    I understand the cynicism, but Israel, UAE and Bahrain just signed the paperwork in Washington DC and I doubt it was because they thought Trump was turning over his real estate to them.

    Okay so the corrupt “governments” of two medieval monarchical vassal states (who were never at war with Israel in the first place) were apparently coerced into betraying the interests of their own people and have formally agreed to normalize or work toward the normalization of relations with Israel (something that they seemed to be doing anyway). Big deal. As I already pointed out, the “peace deals” are not about “peace” they’re merely “deals” (that team orange clown misrepresents as an “historic breakthrough to further peace in the Middle East”).

    As Ted Snider points out:

    “The two peace agreements between the Gulf States and Israel have nothing to do with peace. They are between nations that were already at peace and offer no peace to the Palestinians, while they proliferate US arms in the region and have much more to do with the threat of war with Iran.”

    https://original.antiwar.com/ted_snider/2020/09/15/peace-plans-that-have-nothing-to-do-with-peace/

    Yep, as in “zero wars ended“;

    Wrong again, Afghanistan is already ending.

    LOL! Just like the occupation of Syria ended in early 2019 after Trump allegedly fired Mattis for allegedly opposing Trump’s withdrawal from Syria?

    After all of Trump’s betrayals, flimsy lies and disingenuous posturing you’re going to say something like that and then expect to be taken seriously? Well guess what, your evil orange messiah had 3.5 years to get out of Afghanistan, but he didn’t; he refused, betraying his supporters and his election mandate. So don’t tell me it’s “ending.” When the last U.S. personnel are out of Afghanistan you can make that claim, not now.

    Nice try though.

    and risks taken that could’ve started wars; tensions dangerously escalated, e.g. with Iran and China;

    Wrong, China has been at war with the USA for decades, Trump is the one who finally fought back instead of taking a payoff. As for Iran, the USA isn’t escalating with Iran, they are turning everything over to Israel and GCC to stand up to Iran.

    You’re simply full of shit. Trump is not “fighting back” against anything; Trump is the aggressor who’s enthusiastically delivering your satanic tribe’s ultimata to the rising powers of Russia, China and Iran by way of a series of escalating provocations.

    and a dangerous and costly new arms race started that will likely end in a nuclear war.

    You got anything to back that up other than hysterical accusations?

    What “hysterical accusations” would those be? That your evil orange messiah has exited the INF treaty and publicly announced a quest for nuclear primacy, for example, are generally accepted facts. Here is the assessment of the “Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists”:

    “In the nuclear realm, national leaders (obviously a reference to Trump) have ended or undermined several major arms control treaties and negotiations during the last year, creating an environment conducive to a renewed nuclear arms race, to the proliferation of nuclear weapons, and to lowered barriers to nuclear war. Political conflicts regarding nuclear programs in Iran and North Korea remain unresolved and are, if anything, worsening. US-Russia cooperation on arms control and disarmament is all but nonexistent.

    […]

    This situation—two major threats to human civilization, amplified by sophisticated, technology-propelled propaganda—would be serious enough if leaders around the world were focused on managing the danger and reducing the risk of catastrophe. Instead, over the last two years, we have seen influential leaders denigrate and discard the most effective methods for addressing complex threats—international agreements with strong verification regimes—in favor of their own narrow interests and domestic political gain. By undermining cooperative, science- and law-based approaches to managing the most urgent threats to humanity, these leaders have helped to create a situation that will, if unaddressed, lead to catastrophe, sooner rather than later.

    Faced with this daunting threat landscape and a new willingness of political leaders to reject the negotiations and institutions that can protect civilization over the long term, the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists Science and Security Board today moves the Doomsday Clock 20 seconds closer to midnight—closer to apocalypse than ever. In so doing, board members are explicitly warning leaders and citizens around the world that the international security situation is now more dangerous than it has ever been, even at the height of the Cold War.

    Civilization-ending nuclear war—whether started by design, blunder, or simple miscommunication—is a genuine possibility.”

    https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/current-time/

    I don’t have any more time to spend refuting your nonsense right now.

    • Agree: Vojkan, vot tak
    • Replies: @Precious
  247. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    I’d bet the farm they have [Kamala] recorded beneath Willie Brown’s desk.

    To actually blackmail a major political actor, you’d need something much more potent – material so inexcusably heinous that even with massive PR backing, the candidate would SUDDENLY become untenable, even among slimy political actors. This limits the type of kompromat that would be of value against a target at this level.

    The shelf life of any kompromat is another consideration. A five year old sex tape would hardly make a dent in Kamala’s campaign, and might even enhance it among certain demographics. Even video showing a candidate in the act of committing serious crimes – e.g. ordering a hit – would have limited impact on the booboisie if the footage is grainy and 10 years old. And of course, the MSM, NPR/PBS etc. can be counted on to defend their candidate to the hilt and beyond.

    • Replies: @map
  248. Democrat V-P candidate Kamala calls it “the Harris Administration”

    “Oops! Kamala’s ‘Harris Administration’ gaffe has revealed the Democrats’ true plans”

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/500771-wayne-dupree-kamala-harris/

  249. If whites were really all that “high IQ,” why-o-why do you insist on following dawn age spiritualities such as pagan mangods-worship?….

    In no way did you address anything I stated. My point is that Whites more than match Jews at the elite level, and below that Jews can’t compete, because they don’t have the farmers, workers, fighters, fixers, builders, mechanics, proles, etc. in large numbers needed to produce and run a complex civilization. Even worse, Jews piss on those very important pieces of the civilizational puzzle which make stability possible, and this is a huge problem with the Jewish elites in the U.S.

    Jews don’t produce civilizations. They have been parasites from Persia, to Rome, Germany, Poland, Russia, Great Britain, the U.S., and everywhere else they have landed. Ancient Israel is largely mythical, and modern Israel is not any kind of great civilization, and would not exist without massive help of all sorts from abroad.

    Civilization in the West can be destroyed, just like all great civilizations. But the destruction doesn’t change the fact that the civilization existed or who built it, and destroying does not say great things about the destroyers, especially when the destruction is done by privileged guests from the inside.

    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
  250. Robjil says:
    @A123

    It happened. The Israelis admit to it too. We in the faux free Zion ruled west are not “allowed” to know about it or talk about it.

    https://www.jpost.com/local-israel/in-jerusalem/massacre-at-mamilla

    How many Christian prisoners of war were murdered by the Mamilla Pool? A precise number is of course now impossible to verify, but Israeli archaeologist Ronny Reich puts the tally at 60,000 before the Persian military stopped the carnage. One eyewitness, Strategius of St. Sabas, wrote: “Jews ransomed the Christians from the hands of the Persian soldiers for good money, and slaughtered them with great joy at Mamilla Pool, and it ran with blood.” Persian rule in the Land of Israel lasted 14 years. The Byzantines briefly returned to a country in ruins in 628, only to face the formidable army of Muhammad’s friend Omar ibn Khattab. One cannot understand the Sulha al-Quds – the treaty of Jerusalem’s capitulation concluded in 638, without remembering the massacre at Mamilla a generation earlier. Patriarch Sofronius demanded, and the powerful Arab ruler agreed, to protect the people of Jerusalem from the ferocity of the Jews.

  251. vot tak says:

    The israeli neocon and saker’s man of the year (because he’s such a peacenik, you know), trump, praised Wikileaks when trying to get more votes in 2016. Now look at what the soulless freak is having done to Assange.

    Assange’s Partner Says He is Being Stripped Naked & X-Rayed, Transported in ‘Vertical Coffin’ Daily

    https://sputniknews.com/world/202009171080489844-assanges-partner-says-he-is-being-stripped-naked--x-rayed-transported-in-vertical-coffin-daily/

    “Morris, who is the mother of Assange’s two children, who were conceived while the WikiLeaks founder was living in the Ecuadorian embassy in London, said that every day her partner has been “woken at 5 am, handcuffed, put in holding cells, stripped naked and x-rayed.”

    “He’s transported 1.5 h each way in what feels like a vertical coffin in a claustrophobic van. He’s in a glass box at the back of court, from where he can’t consult his lawyers properly, ” the lawyer wrote on Twitter, as she advertised a crowdjustice campaign “to free Julian Assange and stop US extradition”.

    “Our children need their father back. Please help me make that happen,” Morris pledged via her petition back in August.

    Earlier, UN Special Rapporteur on Torture Nils Melzer said Assange is being “psychologically abused” in prison, with the demeaning conditions described potentially driving him to take his life.

    In February, he was joined by over a hundred of doctors from 18 countries, who published an open letter asking to “end the psychological torture” of Assange.

    “Should Assange die in a UK prison, as the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture has warned, he will effectively have been tortured to death,” the medical workers asserted.”

    • Replies: @map
  252. Alfred says:
    @A123

    SJW rioters of Islamic BLM

    You mean SJW rioters of Jew-financed BLM

    • Replies: @A123
  253. A123 says:
    @Alfred

    No. Get your facts straight.

    I meant the SJW rioters of Islamic BLM who are let out of jail every night by DA’s bought by George IslamoSoros.

    Your Anti-Christ Muhammad will lead you to nothing but a bad end.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: vot tak
  254. map says:
    @G J T

    Sometimes it’s helpful to watch Trump getting interviewed by the likes of Judge Jeanine.

    There are only two ways for Trump to handle the rioters: call in the National Guard or invoke the Insurrection Act. He has said repeatedly that his call for National Guard troops has been repudiated by Democrat Governors.

    He says he could always invoke the IA, but that it is unnecessary. Instead, he has Federal agents to protect Federal buildings.

    Besides, these are all Democrat cities. Not one of Trump’s supporters cares if Seattle or Portland burns to the ground. This is not New York after 9/11.

    Trump is playing this correctly. The riots are a local problem. They are not being dealt with because Democrat mayors, governors, and congressmen are engineering these riots.

    He is demonstrating exactly how much the democrat leadership hates its own constituency and ho they intend to govern America if they win.

  255. map says:
    @vot tak

    But Trump is not doing that. The UK is doing that.

    • Troll: vot tak
    • Replies: @vot tak
  256. map says:
    @Anonymous

    Really? You think a VP candidate video-recorded with her head bobbing up and down a man’s d*ck would not destroy her campaign or would not be effective blackmail to keep her in line?

    • Replies: @vot tak
  257. vot tak says:

    US Police Sought ‘Heat Ray’ to Use Against White House Protesters Prior to Trump Bible Photo-Op

    https://sputniknews.com/us/202009171080492775--us-police-sought-heat-ray-to-use-against-white-house-protesters-prior-to-trump-bible-photo-op/

    [MORE]

    “According to recently released testimony, US military police tried to obtain a slew of weapons from local national guardsmen as they prepared to assault peaceful protesters outside the White House on June 1, including a “heat ray” that induces the feeling of boiling skin.

    As police in Washington, DC, moved to disperse peaceful protesters in Lafayette Park on June 1 prior to a photo op outside a church by US President Donald Trump, they unleashed a slew of weapons including tear gas, “stinger” grenades and rubber bullets. However, according to recently released testimony by Maj. Adam DeMarco of the DC National Guard, military police sought some even more powerful weapons, including the Active Denial System (ADS), or so-called “heat ray.”

    The revelation comes from DeMarco’s July testimony to the House Natural Resources Committee, which is investigating the Lafayette Park incident.

    DeMarco’s testimony also revealed that a stockpile of M4 carbines – special assault rifles adapted from the M16 for use by special forces – was shipped from Virginia’s Fort Belvoir to the DC Armory on June 1, followed by roughly 7,000 rounds of 5.56-millimeter and 7.62-millimeter ammunition.

    The dispersal was the beginning of a night of violent crackdowns on demonstrations across the US’ capital city in which police cornered dozens of protesters in a narrow side-street and tear-gassed them and national guardsmen “buzzed” protesters with helicopters by flying just 50 feet over their heads. The protests were part of a crescendo of nationwide demonstrations against racism and police violence sparked by the death of George Floyd, a 46-year-old Black man, at the hands of Minnesota’s Minneapolis Police Department.

    According to the Pentagon’s non-lethal weapons program, the ADS broadcasts “a very short duration focused beam of millimeter waves at a frequency of 95 gigahertz” that “provides a quick and reversible skin surface heating sensation that does not penetrate into the target.” This is much more powerful than a microwave oven, but according to the Pentagon, “the associated directed energy wavelength is very short and only physically capable of reaching a skin depth of about 1/64 of an inch.”

    “This weapon is battlefield technology,” the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund, a constitutional rights nonprofit group in Washington, DC, tweeted on Wednesday. “Deployed in Afghanistan but withdrawn. But clearly some in the Pentagon and the Trump Admin view Americans engaged in protest the way they view enemy combatants.”

    While israel’s clinton quisling stated about Assange “why can’t we drone him”, trump expressed an exactly similar psychopathic mentality: “why can’t we microwave them?” when faced with peaceful demonstrators opposing him. This is “with us or against us” all over again, with the same far right, likudite zionazi (with emphasis on nazi aspect) mentality behind it.

    “DeMarco told lawmakers that in addition to the “heat ray,” military police also wanted a Long Range Acoustic Device (LRAD) “sound cannon,” which blasts eardrum-snapping sound waves at crowds within a narrow angle of attack.”

    “The ADS has been a controversial weapon since it was first introduced in 2001, and it has been repeatedly blocked from use. After the 2003 US invasion of Iraq, US forces tried to get ahold of the weapon but were denied it, as the system was seen as “a recipe for disaster,” Franz Gayl, the Marine Corps’s science and technology adviser, told Scientific American for a 2012 article. Similar attempts to get the “heat ray” for use in US prisons in 2010 were rebuffed, and when it was shipped to Afghanistan that same year, it was quickly recalled.

    US Customs and Border Protection also sought an ADS device for use at the US-Mexico border in 2018 at the direction of US President Donald Trump,”

    This is the sort of usa the saker stealth neocon is absolutely ok with. Anti-zionist? Yeah, sure. He promotes the obscene israeli far right’s favoured quisling. By default, his pro-republicrat promotions/anti-democan hasbara is exactly what netanyahoo and those running that mutant half human ordain. Exactly what mike whitney has been tasked with.

    The difference between bush, jr. and trump likudite policies is minimal. The propaganda, the psywar selling these zionazi-gay/nazi, fascist holdovers is more sophisticated. So is the organization behind it. But that is the main difference. The neocon extremist freakshow backing trump is in zio-pig heaven. They have managed to get things their predecessors in the bush, jr. fellow neocon quisling regime only dreamed of.

  258. vot tak says:
    @map

    The uk is doing that for the usa, shlomo. That is obvious to anyone who is not a shill.

  259. vot tak says:
    @map

    LOL, you israelis will write anything.

  260. Precious says:
    @Harold Smith

    Okay so the corrupt “governments” of two medieval monarchical vassal states (who were never at war with Israel in the first place) were apparently coerced into betraying the interests of their own people and have formally agreed to normalize or work toward the normalization of relations with Israel (something that they seemed to be doing anyway). Big deal. As I already pointed out, the “peace deals” are not about “peace” they’re merely “deals” (that team orange clown misrepresents as an “historic breakthrough to further peace in the Middle East”).

    The purpose of these deals is to bring Israel and Saudi Arabia into one alliance against Iran. Until Iran is put in checkmate, there will be no peace in the Middle East. Ted Snyder is correct that this is about Iran, but he is wrong that this is not about peace. The alternative is for either the USA to be stuck in the Middle East forever as a check against Russia and Iran in a perpetual low-grade war, or to abandon the Middle East completely and have Russia and China control it with Iran as the proxy.

    LOL! Just like the occupation of Syria ended in early 2019 after Trump allegedly fired Mattis for allegedly opposing Trump’s withdrawal from Syria? After all of Trump’s betrayals, flimsy lies and disingenuous posturing you’re going to say something like that and then expect to be taken seriously? Well guess what, your evil orange messiah had 3.5 years to get out of Afghanistan, but he didn’t; he refused, betraying his supporters and his election mandate.

    ^This is false. Trump is already ending the Afghanistan war, and your denials don’t change that. So what if it took 3.5 years?

    So don’t tell me it’s “ending.” When the last U.S. personnel are out of Afghanistan you can make that claim, not now. Nice try though.

    Wrong, I will tell you it is ending, and I am not making a claim. I am stating the facts. You want to wait until the last US personnel is out before you admit you are wrong, go right ahead.

    You’re simply full of shit.

    No, I don’t have your problem.

    Trump is not “fighting back” against anything; Trump is the aggressor who’s enthusiastically delivering your satanic tribe’s ultimata to the rising powers of Russia, China and Iran by way of a series of escalating provocations.

    ^This is false. Iran, China and Russia have all been the aggressors, and Trump is defending the USA. Iran has been sponsoring terrorism for a very long time in a bid to dominate the Middle East, and China has been at war with the USA for decades. And you just lie about it and pretend that anyone who corrects your errors is Jewish. Jesus Christ is God and the Son in the Holy Trinity. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

    What “hysterical accusations” would those be? That your evil orange messiah has exited the INF treaty and publicly announced a quest for nuclear primacy, for example, are generally accepted facts. Here is the assessment of the “Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists”:

    “In the nuclear realm, national leaders (obviously a reference to Trump) have ended or undermined several major arms control treaties and negotiations during the last year, creating an environment conducive to a renewed nuclear arms race, to the proliferation of nuclear weapons, and to lowered barriers to nuclear war. Political conflicts regarding nuclear programs in Iran and North Korea remain unresolved and are, if anything, worsening. US-Russia cooperation on arms control and disarmament is all but nonexistent.

    Got it, so you are relying on the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists. No, that isn’t an obvious reference to Trump. That is an obvious reference to Putin. Russia, as the aggressor, was violating the treaty. Trump deemed it necessary to exit the treaty because that is the only way to get Russia back to the bargaining table. Trump’s unorthodox methods may not be to the liking of those scientists, but he made war with North Korea less likely when everyone else in the US government deemed it inevitable. So no, I don’t buy this evaluation of Trump’s strategy. I suspect Trump will eventually re-establish a new treaty and is working to make that happen. We won’t hear about it until it is done, just like we didn’t hear anything about these peace deals, until Trump was ready to tell us they were done.

    • Troll: vot tak
    • Replies: @Vojkan
    , @Harold Smith
  261. Vojkan says:
    @Precious

    So, you aren’t really into peace, are you? You’re all in for putting Iranians “in check”. If it means allying yourself with the worst scum on Earth, like Saudis, so be it. If you aren’t Jewish, you definitely look like if you were. I recommend your post to all Trump supporters on this site and though I doubt the Saker will read it, I definitely wish he did to spare us from his pro-Trump pilpul henceforward.

    • Replies: @Precious
  262. Rahan says:
    @VinnyVette

    The U.S. has not killed more innocent people than any other country in the world. That honor would go to your beloved mother Russia and China, who slaughtered or starved millions of their own people.

    Their own people.
    Not others.
    Themselves.
    A bit of a difference, no?

    • Replies: @Cyrano
    , @yurivku
  263. @Precious

    “The purpose of these deals is to bring Israel and Saudi Arabia into one alliance against Iran. Until Iran is put in checkmate, there will be no peace in the Middle East.”

    LOL! Since both Israel and Saudi Arabia already hate Iran, and see Iran as a common “enemy” they would probably directly coordinate with each other anyway if a big war ever broke out (as they already apparently do to some extent). So your “point” (as irrelevant as it is to the earlier discussion) is moot.

    Apparently you’re just throwing handfuls of shit at the wall hoping that something sticks. Why not just admit that your earlier attempt to portray Trump’s scam as having something to do with achieving “peace” in the Mideast (something that Americans should see as some kind of significant peace achievement) was wrong and misleading?

    “This is false. Trump is already ending the Afghanistan war, and your denials don’t change that. So what if it took 3.5 years?”

    You’re just being contrary. Given your evil orange messiah’s record of lies, betrayals and reversals, the scumbag has no credibility whatsoever. So once again: it’ll have to actually end – you know, the troops will have to ALL be withdrawn – before you can make any such claim.

    “No, I don’t have your problem.”

    Agreed; it’s clear that your “problems” are far, far worse than mine.

    “This is false. Iran, China and Russia have all been the aggressors, and Trump is defending the USA.
    Iran has been sponsoring terrorism for a very long time in a bid to dominate the Middle East, and China has been at war with the USA for decades. And you just lie about it and pretend that anyone who corrects your errors is Jewish.”

    LOL! You speak as if Canada and Mexico were full of Russian, Chinese and Iranian bases. You speak as if China was conducting “freedom of navigation” exercises in the Gulf of Mexico, and that it was Iran who walked away from the JCPOA agreement and assassinated an American general.
    Basically you’re just repeating stale and and utterly absurd jew talking points. This statement of yours is so absurd on its face that I can’t bring myself to waste time with a substantive reply. Why waste your time and mine on such nonsense?

    “Jesus Christ is God and the Son in the Holy Trinity. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”

    If you actually had any respect for Jesus’ teachings you wouldn’t be here telling lies and bearing false witness against the “enemies” of the jewish collective.

    “Got it, so you are relying on the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists.”

    Well of course I am; why wouldn’t I? (Of course there are also other sources that I can refer to if need be).

    “No, that isn’t an obvious reference to Trump.”

    Of course it is. Simple observation and reasoning proves you wrong.

    “That is an obvious reference to Putin. Russia, as the aggressor, was violating the treaty. Trump deemed it necessary to exit the treaty because that is the only way to get Russia back to the bargaining table..”

    You just keep getting in deeper.

    Last time I checked, it was your evil orange messiah that was refusing to negotiate with Russia over the issue of intermediate range missiles, not the reverse. Last time I checked, it was the U.S. government that was deploying MK-41 missile launchers and SM-3 missiles near Russia’s borders, not vice-versa. Last time I checked, it was your evil orange messiah that was publicly announcing a quest for nuclear primacy, not Putin. Last time I checked, it was Russia and China that were pushing for adoption of the “PAROS” resolution in the UN (Prevention of an Arms Race in Outer Space), and it was the U.S. government that was resisting it. Last time I checked it was your evil orange messiah, not Putin, that is actively moving to turn space into a war zone with establishment of a “U.S. Space Force” (in open defiance of the spirit of the “Outer Space Treaty of 1967”). I could go on and on but what would be the point, since you’re obviously just being contrary?

    Your contempt for the intelligence of the Unz readership is breathtaking. I don’t think I’m going to waste any more time arguing with you about your absurd claims.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
    , @Precious
  264. Cyrano says:
    @Rahan

    That’s absolutely right. If you slap your own wife – that’s wrong, but it’s a domestic dispute. If a stranger comes into you home and slaps your wife – that’s million times more wrong. You have the right to pull a gun and shoot the b**tard.

  265. Vojkan says:
    @Harold Smith

    Harold, do you think the Edel guy is really who he pretends to be? A true American would hardly have heard of the Serbia-“Kosovo” “deal”, let alone defend it with passion. That’s when he outed himself.

    • Replies: @Precious
  266. Precious says:
    @Vojkan

    So, you aren’t really into peace, are you? You’re all in for putting Iranians “in check”.

    You act as if those are mutually exclusive. They are not. Putting the Iranians in check will establish peace. Leaving the Iranians unchecked means war.

    If it means allying yourself with the worst scum on Earth, like Saudis, so be it.

    I am not a Jew, and I am not part of the GCC either. This means the Israel and GCC allying against the Iranians.

    If you aren’t Jewish, you definitely look like if you were. I recommend your post to all Trump supporters on this site and though I doubt the Saker will read it, I definitely wish he did to spare us from his pro-Trump pilpul henceforward.

    Trump is finally upsetting the status quo and replacing it with something better. It is inevitable that the Saker would notice that.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  267. Precious says:
    @Vojkan

    Harold, do you think the Edel guy is really who he pretends to be? A true American would hardly have heard of the Serbia-“Kosovo” “deal”, let alone defend it with passion. That’s when he outed himself.

    If this is a reference to me, then yes I am a true American who traces his heritage back to before the American Revolution. And I stopped defending the Serbia-Kosovo deal as a peace deal when I finally believed you that your views are the mainstream views from Serbs. I have no idea why Vučić signed it if it is so bad and unpopular for Serbs, so I withdraw my support for it until I see evidence to the contrary.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  268. Precious says:
    @Harold Smith

    LOL! Since both Israel and Saudi Arabia already hate Iran, and see Iran as a common “enemy” they would probably directly coordinate with each other anyway if a big war ever broke out (as they already apparently do to some extent). So your “point” (as irrelevant as it is to the earlier discussion) is moot. Why not just admit that your earlier attempt to portray Trump’s scam as having something to do with achieving “peace” in the Mideast (something that Americans should see as some kind of significant peace achievement) was wrong and misleading?

    Why would I do that when you just unwittingly admitted what Trump is doing isn’t a scam and helps establish peace in the Middle East? Let’s review what you just conceded one more time, “and see Iran as a common “enemy” they would probably directly coordinate with each other anyway if a big war ever broke out”

    Now that Trump has negotiated these peace deals, “probably” becomes “certainly”…before the big war breaks out. Which means the big war doesn’t break out because Iran can’t find a way of dividing them so they can reduce the chances of “probably” to “unlikely.” Thanks Harold for explaining Trump’s peace deals…they are made exactly to prevent the…”if a big war ever broke out”. That is why I called them peace deals.

    Apparently you’re just throwing handfuls of shit at the wall hoping that something sticks.

    No Harold, I don’t use your methods.

    You’re just being contrary. Given your evil orange messiah’s record of lies, betrayals and reversals, the scumbag has no credibility whatsoever. So once again: it’ll have to actually end – you know, the troops will have to ALL be withdrawn – before you can make any such claim.

    Evil Orange Messiah record: Zero lies, zero betrayals, zero reversals. The Afghanistan war ending is just one one more promise made and promise kept.

    Agreed; it’s clear that your “problems” are far, far worse than mine.

    No Harold, they aren’t.

    LOL! You speak as if Canada and Mexico were full of Russian, Chinese and Iranian bases. You speak as if China was conducting “freedom of navigation” exercises in the Gulf of Mexico, and that it was Iran who walked away from the JCPOA agreement and assassinated an American general.

    No I am speaking about the Chinese slowly buying off American politicians for the past 25 years to sell out the American people and impoverish Americans, and the Iranians training Antifa to form death squads like the one that killed Aaron Danielson.

    If you actually had any respect for Jesus’ teachings you wouldn’t be here telling lies and bearing false witness against the “enemies” of the jewish collective.

    I am not, I am correcting your errors and defending those who fight for Western Civilization against your unwarranted attacks. I don’t care about any jewish collective, I care about Trump and what he is doing for America.

    Last time I checked, it was your evil orange messiah that was refusing to negotiate with Russia over the issue of intermediate range missiles, not the reverse. Last time I checked, it was the U.S. government that was deploying MK-41 missile launchers and SM-3 missiles near Russia’s borders, not vice-versa. Last time I checked, it was your evil orange messiah that was publicly announcing a quest for nuclear primacy, not Putin. Last time I checked, it was Russia and China that were pushing for adoption of the “PAROS” resolution in the UN (Prevention of an Arms Race in Outer Space), and it was the U.S. government that was resisting it. Last time I checked it was your evil orange messiah, not Putin, that is actively moving to turn space into a war zone with establishment of a “U.S. Space Force” (in open defiance of the spirit of the “Outer Space Treaty of 1967”). I could go on and on but what would be the point, since you’re obviously just being contrary?

    It is contrary for me to point out the other side which is the evidence that shows this isn’t Trump being a dangerous warmonger. You just ignore Russia violating the INF treaty which is what caused Trump to abandon it. You just ignore Russia and China developing weapons on their satellites to be used against the USA which is what spurred Trump to create a the US Space Force as a separate branch of the US military. You could indeed go on and on about Trump did this wrong, and Trump did that wrong and Trump is making the world a more dangerous place but you can’t do that so well when I start pointing out the inconvenient facts you are ignoring.

    There is a reason China bribed Obama to kill the US space program and that is the reason Trump created the US Space Force.

    Your contempt for the intelligence of the Unz readership is breathtaking.

    ^Projection

    Oh, and one more thing…Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto. Sicut erat in principio, et nunc, et semper, et in saecula saeculorum. Amen.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  269. Vojkan says:
    @Precious

    “Trump is finally upsetting the status quo and replacing it with something better.”

    Seriously? By being the most active head of state in the world ever… on Twitter? By entrusting US foreign policy to a CIA spook? By wanting to assassinate foreign chiefs of state? By firing every collaborator disliked by the Deep State? By surronding himself with people approved by the Deep State? By submitting himself to the whims of a foreign state, Israel, more than any US president before him?

    I don’t know what criteria you apply to consider that Trump is upsetting the status quo, seen from abroad and using objective criteria – what he really achieved and who he surrounds himself with – instead of wishful thinking, he sure seems to be upholding it with far more zeal than Obama was.

    • Replies: @Precious
  270. Precious says:
    @Vojkan

    Seriously? By being the most active head of state in the world ever… on Twitter? By entrusting US foreign policy to a CIA spook? By wanting to assassinate foreign chiefs of state? By firing every collaborator disliked by the Deep State? By surronding himself with people approved by the Deep State? By submitting himself to the whims of a foreign state, Israel, more than any US president before him?

    I am drawing a blank on who he fired that is disliked by the Deep State so you can suggest a name. But let’s look at four people approved by the Deep State…HR McMaster, John Kelly, James Mattis, and John Bolton. Each of those guys wanted more US involvement in the Middle East and a larger US military footprint in the Middle East. Bolton, if not the others, wanted a new war. So Trump hired them because he wanted those things too right?

    Now we know Trump hired them because he didn’t want those things at all…but he wanted to misdirect everyone so no one would realize what he was actually doing. Trump was conducting secret peace negotiations between Israel and half a dozen Arab countries to form an alliance in Israel so he could…reduce US involvement in the Middle East, reduce the US military foot print in the Middle East and avoid a new war.

    If any of those four guys had figured out what Trump was planning…they would have leaked it and worked to sabotage it as fast as they could. They didn’t, so we have proof Trump hires Deep State guys and then keeps them out of the loop while the real work is done by someone else. So it never bothers me at all that Trump hires these warmongers…its a trick.

    As for Israel itself, it was pretty embarrassing as an American to see Trump fawn over Israel so much but I will like the result of an Israel that relies on GCC partners rather than America to bail it out of trouble. And the arrest of Epstein and Maxwell shows me that Trump and his allies are purging corrupt elements of Mossad. At least I assume Epstein and Maxwell worked for Mossad.

    I don’t know what criteria you apply to consider that Trump is upsetting the status quo, seen from abroad and using objective criteria – what he really achieved and who he surrounds himself with – instead of wishful thinking, he sure seems to be upholding it with far more zeal than Obama was.

    Don’t Obama and Trump have exact opposite approaches to Iran? Wasn’t the conventional wisdom that Iran as a nuclear power, backed by Russia and China, would come to dominate the Middle East and that would leave the Gulf nations and Israel reliant on the US and Europe to extend some NATO-like alliance to act as a counter balance? That was what the Obama deal was predicated on…and that would leave more US troops and more US presence in the Middle East, not less. That was what Republicans and Democrats agreed on here in the USA for a very long time.

    Now I see hope for getting the US out of the Middle East, if not completely, than mostly. Under Clinton, Bush and Obama all I saw was more and more involvement.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  271. vot tak says:

    V. & H.S.

    Precious is one of the guardianista trolls. There is nothing there beyond israeli propaganda and a pathetic shut-in looking for some warped entertainment ( IE: “they took the bait, what fun…”).

  272. vot tak says:
    @vot tak

    “• Troll: VinnyVette”

    Another likudite exposes their role as part of the zionazi-gay psywar and runs the usual zionazi swarming tactic when a fellow zionazi-gay propagandist is criticized. Pure guardianista zionazi-gay webspamming tactics. Saker is a fool to think his support for likudite fascism and white supremacism is not obvious. He is a bigger fool associating and allying with israeli guardianista web propagandists. One can pretend to be anti-zionist, but when one allies one’s self to the very zionazi-gay/white supremacist freakshow one is pretending to be critical off, the bs meter pegs, along with the credibility. The fraud has zero credibility left now.

  273. Rico says:
    @PhilK

    If Harris wins, the rioters WILL go home
    Mission accomplished
    Then she will proceed to ‘transform’ America thru legit channels

  274. Why are Americans absolutely PRO war and extremely ANTI consequences of their wars? Europe wouldn’t have to deal with refugees if Americans didn’t go to war for a living

    War on Iran means hate campaign against hypothetical refugees from Iran right after and call it: presidential election season

    Repeat every 4 years

  275. @Precious

    “Why would I do that when you just unwittingly admitted what Trump is doing isn’t a scam and helps establish peace in the Middle East?’

    LOL! Anyone who can read can see that I did no such thing. (Maybe you can find a sympathetic adult in your neighborhood who can read what I wrote and explain it to you in simple child-like terms, commensurate with your apparent cognitive impairment).

    “Let’s review what you just conceded one more time, ‘and see Iran as a common ‘enemy’ they would probably directly coordinate with each other anyway if a big war ever broke out.”

    The only thing I will “concede” is that you’re not making any sense, as usual.

    “Now that Trump has negotiated these peace deals, “probably” becomes “certainly”…before the big war breaks out. Which means the big war doesn’t break out because Iran can’t find a way of dividing them so they can reduce the chances of “probably” to “unlikely.” Thanks Harold for explaining Trump’s peace deals…they are made exactly to prevent the…”if a big war ever broke out”. That is why I called them peace deals.”

    Well you’re certainly a creative fabulator, but try as you might there is unfortunately no context, real or imagined, in which the “deals” between Israel and Bahrain and UAE can reasonably be called “peace” “deals”; let alone a “historic breakthrough to further peace in the Middle East” as Trump tweeted.

    You apparently called them “peace deals” because you’re dishonest, but as anyone paying attention can clearly see, I proved you wrong. Why not just accept that you were wrong and move on?

    Apparently you’re just throwing handfuls of shit at the wall hoping that something sticks.

    No Harold, I don’t use your methods.

    No chumpy, apparently you’re just confused, again. As anyone reading this can see, your verbose, obscurantist fabulation exemplified above proves that “throwing shit at the wall” is your technique, not mine.

    “Evil Orange Messiah record: Zero lies, zero betrayals, zero reversals. The Afghanistan war ending is just one one more promise made and promise kept.

    There you go again, insulting everyone here.

    Agreed; it’s clear that your “problems” are far, far worse than mine.

    No Harold, they aren’t.

    Yes chumpy, they are.

    LOL! You speak as if Canada and Mexico were full of Russian, Chinese and Iranian bases. You speak as if China was conducting “freedom of navigation” exercises in the Gulf of Mexico, and that it was Iran who walked away from the JCPOA agreement and assassinated an American general.

    No I am speaking about the Chinese slowly buying off American politicians for the past 25 years to sell out the American people and impoverish Americans, and the Iranians training Antifa to form death squads like the one that killed Aaron Danielson.

    You’re just making claims, and your claims seem to project your satanic jewish tribe’s crimes against America onto others. Your nonsense would almost be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic.

    If you actually had any respect for Jesus’ teachings you wouldn’t be here telling lies and bearing false witness against the “enemies” of the jewish collective.

    I am not, I am correcting your errors and defending those who fight for Western Civilization against your unwarranted attacks. I don’t care about any jewish collective, I care about Trump and what he is doing for America.

    Every statement you’ve made in this discussion is a lie, chumpy.

    “It is contrary for me to point out the other side which is the evidence that shows this isn’t Trump being a dangerous warmonger. You just ignore Russia violating the INF treaty which is what caused Trump to abandon it.”

    First, you lie yet again; Russia didn’t violate the INF treaty. Second, Russia tried to get team orange clown to negotiate the issue, but team orange clown refused. Third, Russia even put the cruise missile alleged to be violative of the treaty on display for inspection, and nobody from the orange clown administration even bothered to show up to inspect it. All of this proves bad faith on behalf of team orange clown.

    Fourth, you’re obviously completely ignorant of the subject matter. The MK-41 missile launchers in Romania and Poland are a clear violation of the terms of the treaty and they constitute an obvious threat to Russian security. If the shoe were on the other foot the U.S. government would never allow the placement of Russian cruise missiles in Latin America for example, and you know it. So why would Russia want to give the U.S. an excuse to withdraw from the treaty and put the missile launchers there? It obviously wouldn’t because that makes no sense.

    Finally, the situation being what it is, in withdrawing from the INF treaty team orange clown is putting the U.S. (and the rest of the world) unnecessarily at risk. How does “America” benefit from refusing to negotiate the issue and instead forcing Russia into a hair trigger/launch on warning posture? It’s madness; nothing more.

    “You just ignore Russia and China developing weapons on their satellites to be used against the USA which is what spurred Trump to create a the US Space Force as a separate branch of the US military.”

    Yet again you lie and/or display your profound ignorance. First, almost everything Russia and China have ever done in the realm of defense was basically a reaction to what the U.S. government was doing. The U.S. developed atomic bombs, showed the world that it would use them to mass murder civilians in Japan, and threatened Russia and China with them. So guess what, Russia and China developed their own nuclear deterrent in response. This has been going on for the past 70 years.

    Second, do I have to write a book to explain the provenance of the present situation to you? The so-called “missile defense system” aka “European Phased Adaptive Approach” (i.e. the Aegis Ashore systems in Romania and Poland) began under Obama. And the Russians objected. And the U.S. government fatuously claimed that the system was intended to protect against Iranian missiles. And Russia objected, rightfully claiming that it was destabilizing; the MK-41 missile launchers violated the INF treaty and the soon to be upgraded SM-3 missiles would be a threat to their nuclear deterrent.

    The Russians probably thought that Trump would stop the madness and cancel the program, as did many of us who voted for Trump. But Trump the psychotic psychopath enthusiastically betrayed us all and made everything worse; not only did he not cancel the EPAA program, but in his first year in office he publicly announced a quest for nuclear primacy. (And keep in mind that EPAA and Trump’s announcement came after a program started under Obama which upgraded the fuzing on SLBMs to take out hard targets).

    Of course the Russians recognized the implications of this series of ominous developments and had to respond – just like the U.S. government would if the shoe were on the other foot. So in his 2018 address to the nation, Putin announced the development of new weapon systems that would make the U.S. missile defense system obsolete and guarantee “mutual assured destruction” whether the U.S. government wanted it or not.

    Trump’s “space force” was apparently a response to the unveiling of the new Russian weaponry. Rather than finally sit down and negotiate like reasonable people – as Putin was apparently hoping for – team orange clown made the decision to weaponize space.

    So here’s a brief summary: U.S. begins upgrading fuzing on trident missiles to take out hard targets – Russia takes notice. U.S. begins deployment of missile defense system in Europe based on SM-3 missiles (but with the capability to also launch nuclear armed Tomahawk cruise missiles) – Russia realizes that the only plausible reason for the deployment of this system is to do a first strike against Russia – Russia objects. Trump is elected and Trump makes things worse by refusing to cancel the deployment, refusing to negotiate the issue, and at the same time announcing the quest for nuclear primacy. Russia responds by announcing new weapons, apparently hoping to force negotiations. Trump refuses and instead announces an effort to weaponize space (by way of the so-called space force).

    I hope this clears things up.

    I have no more time right now to argue your endless nonsense.

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    • Replies: @Precious
  276. @vot tak

    Yep; in fact she’s one of the silliest bitches I’ve yet seen here.

  277. Vojkan says:
    @Precious

    OK, let’s forget Serbia, let’s look at Bahrain. Half the population are immigrants. Two-thirds of the population are Shia Muslims, like Iranians. It is ruled by Sunnis, who are a little more than just a quarter of the population. The Sunnis are not even of the same current as the Saudis. Nevertheless, they rule exclusively thanks to the US and the Saudis. If the US leave, the Shia rise, the Sunni crush them with the help of Saudis, it has happened before but this time Iran, with no US in sight intervenes to help the Shia, and here we go, we have a war. That peace deal that Trump made sign is totally worthless. Conclusion: the US definitely can’t leave.
    The US won’t leave the ME, it won’t leave Israel to its own devices, it won’t risk a popular uprising in Saudi Arabia and the surrounding medieval kingdoms against their ruling despots, it won’t risk Iran extending its influence in the region. The Iraq war and the subsequent ISIS experiments in Iraq and, supported by the US, in Syria have spectacularly backfired. Nope, the US can’t afford to leave the region, everybody in the US establishment knows it, if you really believe Trump wants to then you’re having a pipe dream, and everything Trump does is just gesticulating to fool his electorate.
    On the other hand, Israel will continue to push hard the US to war on its behalf against Iran. Now thanks to Trump, they have formal allies with the same goal. Trump being the most pro-Israel US president ever, how long will he resist?
    In a nutshell, that is the situation and that is the logic in the ME, not your Trumpophile contortions.

    • Agree: Harold Smith
    • Replies: @Precious
  278. Vojkan says:
    @vot tak

    Yes, either exceptionally delusional or simply in bad faith.

  279. GeeBee says:
    @Juri

    to save US and world from fascism and Nazism.

    Yet another one who just doesn’t get it. I recommend you read Laurent Guyenot’s excellent recent article here on the Unz site:

    https://www.unz.com/article/will-the-denazification-ever-end/

    Until enough people come to understand that ‘Fascism and Nazism’ were the Third Way, between the evils of Bolshevism and Finance Capitalism (the two hegemonic systems of the 20th-century, with the latter prevailing almost unchallenged in the West today), we shall have a very difficult time throwing off the heavy shackles under which most of the world now dismally labours. ‘Fascism and Nazism’ represented a genuine attempt to forge societies that benefitted ordinary, hard- working people, instead of the venal, parasitic oligarchs. Is it not obvious that when the agents of Mammon (I give you the likes of Bezos, Adelson, Zuckerberg and Gates as examples) endlessly proclaim the ‘evils’ of Fascism and Nazism that they want us to turn away from something that had the potential to liberate us? And you – along with, it must be said, the great majority of screen-zombies – just lap it all up exactly as they want you to.

    Do read Guyenot’s article. And then let’s see if you continue to evoke ‘fascism and Nazism’ in exactly the way that the oligarchs’ never ending propaganda has so successfully trained you to do.

    • Agree: Lurker
  280. yurivku says:
    @Rahan

    Their own people.

    Yes, and numbers were got from liar and NKVD whistler Soldjenitsyn. Reall numbers are an order of magnitude lower, which, of course, still too much. But if we’ll compare this with what the West (UK, US, Germany, France …) did for the world it’ll be just nothing.

  281. @Precious

    “If this is a reference to me, then yes I am a true American who traces his heritage back to before the American Revolution.”

    If you were actually a “true American” with a modicum of common sense (even if you were a selfish generally morally incompetent “true American”) you would be appalled at Trump’s nuclear brinkmanship – which not only threatens America but all life on this planet. Instead you make excuses for the evil orange clown as he flirts with planetary extinction. Therefore, it’s questionable if you’re actually human, let alone a “true American.”

    • Replies: @Precious
  282. @A123

    If “hybrid war” = “trade restrictions” then 50-75% of the nations on the plant are currently “at war” with multiple other nations.

    I didn’t say that.

    Bill shot Joe; was it it murder or legitimate self-defense? It depends on the context in which the shooting occurred right? Likewise “trade restrictions” may or may not be part of a hybrid war; it depends on context.

    Concepts such as “non-shooting war” have no constructive use.

    Nonsense; there are lots of people out there who would disagree with you; e.g., Venezuelans, Bolivians, Iranians, Ukrainians, Russians, Chinese, etc.

    Dramatic demagoguery over “hybrid war” is exclusively deployed by NeoConDemocrats and similar groups trying to create blurred lines so they can escalate to a “shooting war”.

    It seems you’re just making things up.

    BTW here’s a link to a paper published by the Rand corp. wherein Russia is accused of waging “hybrid warfare.” It’s funny that everything they’re accusing Russia of doing, the U.S. “government” routinely does.

    Experts use the term “hybrid warfare” in different ways. Several related terms are now in use, including “gray zone strategies,” “competition short of conflict,” “active measures,” and
    “new generation warfare.” Despite subtle differences, all these terms point to the same thing:
    Russia is using multiple instruments of power and influence, with an emphasis on nonmilitary tools, to pursue its national interests outside its borders—often at the expense of U.S. interests and those of U.S. allies.

    https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/testimonies/CT400/CT468/RAND_CT468.pdf

    If you are not intentionally backing multiple foreign interventions, you are dangerously naive. If you want to avoid foreign wars, you need to stop using the language of interventionists & their collaborators.

    Huh?

    repudiation of the doctrine of mutually assured destruction and adoption of the nuclear war is winnable concept,

    You need to provide specific citations for this. I doubt that Trump has said that a total forces nuclear exchange with one or more major nuclear powers (U.S., China, and/or Russia) is survivable.

    Well by “winnable” I was referring to the concept where the U.S. “government” would deliver a devastating first strike against Russia for which it would theoretically suffer only a limited retaliatory attack, and it would then depend on an anti-missile defense system to take out most of the incoming missiles.

    Between the W76-1/Mk4a upgrade program, the deployment of the missile defense system in Europe, the exiting of nuclear treaties, Trump’s comments, and the new “Space Force,” some people have concluded that the the U.S. “government” now believes that a nuclear war may be winnable. There is no other context in which its actions make any sense.

    https://tass.com/defense/1055448

    In fact, Trump has done much to prevent nuclear war by heading off the inevitable JCPOA Arms Race among Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Greece, etc. The 10 year fixed time line, JCPOA Open Door clause, would have provided a signal green lighting unlimited proliferation.

    I don’t know what you’re talking about.

    Please give up on the absurd Biden strawman.

    I’ll give up on this, if you give up on openly racist terminology such as “evil orange clown”. If you continue, everyone will see that as your personal endorsement & support for Biden’s racist core values & policies.

    LOL! Aw c’mon don’t start with the virtue signalling (you sound like a BLM/Antifa cheerleader). Trump routinely disparages people he doesn’t like with names like “little pencil-neck,” “Pocahontas,” “rocket man,” “Sleepy Creepy Joe” so I don’t think it’s inappropriate to refer to him the way I do.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  283. @Harold Smith

    BTW here’s the Rand corp. plan for U.S. “government” “hybrid warfare” against Russia:

    https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html

  284. Precious says:
    @Harold Smith

    LOL! Anyone who can read can see that I did no such thing. Maybe you can find a sympathetic adult in your neighborhood who can read what I wrote and explain it to you in simple child-like terms, commensurate with your apparent cognitive impairment.

    Obviously that was a big help for you when you tried it, but I am smarter than most adults

    Well you’re certainly a creative fabulator, but try as you might there is unfortunately no context, real or imagined, in which the “deals” between Israel and Bahrain and UAE can reasonably be called “peace” “deals”; let alone a “historic breakthrough to further peace in the Middle East” as Trump tweeted.

    Yes there is a context, real, not imagined, in which the deals between Israel and Bahrain and UAE can reasonably be called peace deals. They prevent war with Iran in the Middle East. That is why I called them peace deals.

    You apparently called them “peace deals” because you’re dishonest, but as anyone paying attention can clearly see, I proved you wrong.

    This you utterly failed to do. Instead you unwittingly admitted what Trump is doing isn’t a scam and helps establish peace in the Middle East. Here are your words again… and see Iran as a common ‘enemy’ they would probably directly coordinate with each other anyway if a big war ever broke out.” Now we don’t have to hope for probably and we don’t have to worry about the big war breaking out…and the USA can reduce its presence in the Middle East. The peace deals build an alliance to block Iran so the USA doesn’t have to and Iran can’t win so they won’t try.

    No chumpy, apparently you’re just confused, again. As anyone reading this can see, your verbose, obscurantist fabulation exemplified above proves that “throwing shit at the wall” is your technique, not mine… There you go again, insulting everyone here.

    [MORE]

    ^Projection

    You’re just making claims,

    No I am not. I am backing it up with the facts.

    and your claims seem to project your satanic jewish tribe’s crimes

    In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

    Every statement you’ve made in this discussion is a lie

    ^Projection

    First, you lie yet again; Russia didn’t violate the INF treaty.

    Yes they did.

    Second, Russia tried to get team orange clown to negotiate the issue, but team orange clown refused.

    The USA spent over six years trying to negotiate the issue, and Russia refused to budge. Negotiations will reopen when Russia is ready.

    Third, Russia even put the cruise missile alleged to be violative of the treaty on display for inspection, and nobody from the orange clown administration even bothered to show up to inspect it. All of this proves bad faith on behalf of team orange clown.

    ^Russia’s talking point. Here is the USA’s talking point. Russia’s so-called “demonstration” on January 23, 2019, of what it claimed was the 9M729 launcher and canister did not change the fact that the system is a violation of the INF Treaty, because it has been flight-tested to distances prohibited under the treaty. The United States and most of our NATO Allies did not attend this briefing, because we all saw it for what it was – another attempt to obfuscate while giving the appearance of transparency. The “demonstration” was completely controlled by Russia. There is nothing that Russia can say or show to change the fact that Russia has already tested the 9M729 cruise missile to ranges beyond 500 kilometers in violation of the INF Treaty.

    Fourth, you’re obviously completely ignorant of the subject matter. The MK-41 missile launchers in Romania and Poland are a clear violation of the terms of the treaty and they constitute an obvious threat to Russian security. If the shoe were on the other foot the U.S. government would never allow the placement of Russian cruise missiles in Latin America for example, and you know it. So why would Russia want to give the U.S. an excuse to withdraw from the treaty and put the missile launchers there? It obviously wouldn’t because that makes no sense.

    Russia denied the existence of their missile for over four years. They don’t trust the USA will follow the treaty any more than the USA trusts Russia will follow the treaty. Now you know why Russia would take risks violating the treaty, they assume the USA will violate it also.

    Finally, the situation being what it is, in withdrawing from the INF treaty team orange clown is putting the U.S. (and the rest of the world) unnecessarily at risk. How does “America” benefit from refusing to negotiate the issue and instead forcing Russia into a hair trigger/launch on warning posture? It’s madness; nothing more.

    Again, you are acting as if Trump is completely at fault because you are denying Russia was violating the treaty. I have proved you wrong…again. Trump is working with what he has and will bring Russia to the table to negotiate when he and Putin are both ready.

    Yet again you lie and/or display your profound ignorance. First, almost everything Russia and China have ever done in the realm of defense was basically a reaction to what the U.S. government was doing. The U.S. developed atomic bombs, showed the world that it would use them to mass murder civilians in Japan, and threatened Russia and China with them. So guess what, Russia and China developed their own nuclear deterrent in response. This has been going on for the past 70 years.

    I don’t deny that at all…but that isn’t Trump’s fault.

    Second, do I have to write a book to explain the provenance of the present situation to you? The so-called “missile defense system” aka “European Phased Adaptive Approach” (i.e. the Aegis Ashore systems in Romania and Poland) began under Obama. And the Russians objected. And the U.S. government fatuously claimed that the system was intended to protect against Iranian missiles. And Russia objected, rightfully claiming that it was destabilizing; the MK-41 missile launchers violated the INF treaty and the soon to be upgraded SM-3 missiles would be a threat to their nuclear deterrent.

    It is true the Democrats were planning a war with Russia.

    The Russians probably thought that Trump would stop the madness and cancel the program, as did many of us who voted for Trump. But Trump the psychotic psychopath enthusiastically betrayed us all and made everything worse; not only did he not cancel the EPAA program, but in his first year in office he publicly announced a quest for nuclear primacy. (And keep in mind that EPAA and Trump’s announcement came after a program started under Obama which upgraded the fuzing on SLBMs to take out hard targets).

    I was hearing similar arguments about the insanity of Trump’s approach to North Korea. But it turned out what Trump was doing was shaking off the old approaches that didn’t work with one that does, and the threats that Trump traded with North Korea was just kabuki theater for public consumption before they sat down to negotiate. What you see with Russia as being wildly dangerous is not the full picture, what is going on behind the scenes is something else altogether.

    Of course the Russians recognized the implications of this series of ominous developments and had to respond – just like the U.S. government would if the shoe were on the other foot. So in his 2018 address to the nation, Putin announced the development of new weapon systems that would make the U.S. missile defense system obsolete and guarantee “mutual assured destruction” whether the U.S. government wanted it or not.

    Trump’s “space force” was apparently a response to the unveiling of the new Russian weaponry. Rather than finally sit down and negotiate like reasonable people – as Putin was apparently hoping for – team orange clown made the decision to weaponize space.

    Russia and China were already weaponizing space, Trump had no choice but to go forward with the space force as a deterrent and defense. Now I certainly do want Trump and Putin to sit down and negotiate like reasonable people…and I expect that to happen in Trump’s second term.

    So here’s a brief summary: U.S. begins upgrading fuzing on trident missiles to take out hard targets – Russia takes notice. U.S. begins deployment of missile defense system in Europe based on SM-3 missiles (but with the capability to also launch nuclear armed Tomahawk cruise missiles) – Russia realizes that the only plausible reason for the deployment of this system is to do a first strike against Russia – Russia objects. Trump is elected and Trump makes things worse by refusing to cancel the deployment, refusing to negotiate the issue, and at the same time announcing the quest for nuclear primacy. Russia responds by announcing new weapons, apparently hoping to force negotiations. Trump refuses and instead announces an effort to weaponize space (by way of the so-called space force). I hope this clears things up.

    Let me add a few more details. Trump isn’t going to negotiate with Putin on Putin’s terms, he is going to negotiate with Putin on Trump’s terms. We have two national leaders who are very protective of their nations who are each trying to get an advantage. The difference is that America was at a huge disadvantage because Putin consistently put his nation first for a very long time, while America was sold out by its politicians and gutted until 2016. What Trump is doing is to protect America and avoid war. He isn’t going to do that from a position of weakness. His approach is unorthodox, but he is doing it to avoid war.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  285. Precious says:
    @Harold Smith

    If you were actually a “true American” with a modicum of common sense (even if you were a selfish generally morally incompetent “true American”) you would be appalled at Trump’s nuclear brinkmanship – which not only threatens America but all life on this planet.

    ^This is false. As a true American with more intelligence and common sense than you, I applaud Trump for avoiding war, making peace deals, and building the deterrent forces that American needs against its enemies, both foreign and domestic. Your claim that Trump is engaged in nuclear brinkmanship has already been proven false with the results of his efforts with North Korea. I am confident Trump and Putin will make a deal during Trump’s second term.

    Instead you make excuses for the evil orange clown as he flirts with planetary extinction.

    ^This is false. I don’t make excuses, I correct your errors and refute your lies. You just throw out a one-sided interpretation and refuse to even consider information that contradicts your conclusions.

    Therefore, it’s questionable if you’re actually human, let alone a “true American.”

    How about we place some wagers? How much are you willing to bet I am not human? How much are you willing to bet I am not Christian? How much are you willing to bet I don’t have the historical family records to trace my family’s history back to the British colonies before the American revolution?

  286. Precious says:
    @vot tak

    Precious is one of the guardianista trolls.

    Hell no, I don’t read that rag.

    There is nothing there beyond israeli propaganda and a pathetic shut-in looking for some warped entertainment ( IE: “they took the bait, what fun…”).

    No, I believe everything I am saying is the truth. And I am more than happy to admit when I am wrong. Vojkan is a Serb and I take his word for it that the deal Trump closed with Serbia and Kosovo is not going to last because the Serbs won’t accept it. I certainly can’t argue I know more about Serbia than he does.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  287. Vojkan says:
    @Precious

    Wait, I did say that Serbs won’t accept it and I did say that it isn’t a peace deal but I never said it won’t last. How long it will last depends on how long the dictatorship put in place in Serbia by the West to deliver Kosovo’s independence will last. Because that “peace” deal isn’t being forced on Serbs so that the USA can disengage itself from the Balkans but on the contrary to make its presence permanent.

    The primary users of the railways and highways that will be financed by loans from the US International Development Finance Corporation (founded by president Trump, see dfc.gov) and the Exim Bank (see exim.gov) and paid back by Serbian taxpayers will be, apart from Albanian mobsters, you’ll never guess, the US military. You’ll notice that both are US government agencies and the money they lend is in fact US taxpayers’ money. The Chinese finance highways in foreign countries to transport goods, the Americans finance highways in foreign countries to transport the US military.

    Here’s Anthony F. Godfrey, US ambassador to Serbia, former deputy chief of mission at the US embassy in Moscow and career spook:

    “President Donald Trump sees that Vučić has the wisdom and vision to seize the opportunity for a European future of Serbia […]

    Here’s for you a snapshot of how Serbia functions under Vučić’s “wise” and “visionary” leadership,

    https://europeanwesternbalkans.com/2020/08/31/telekom-srbija-for-whom-the-golden-chicken-lays-its-eggs/

    [MORE]

    Godfrey again:

    “I am proud when I see the results of the efforts by the US embassy to build stronger relations between our two countries. MP Marko Parezanović (Ed: he is a member of Vučić’s party SNS) is an attendee of ??? program (Ed: I didn’t get the name of the program) and an influential leader in Serbia. We have made possible for more than 1000 young leaders from all of Serbia to visit the USA and return home with new ideas.”

    Godfrey was appointed at Trump’s personal insistence.

    Let’s take a quick look at the ruling party in Serbia, Vučić’s Serbian Progressive Party aka SNS. It has 750,000 members, Serbia has ~ 6.9 million inhabitants, so roughly every ninth Serb is member of the ruling party. For comparison, in former Yugoslavia, out of ~23 million people, ~900,000 were members of the communist party or 1 in 25, today in authoritarian Russia, of ~147 million people, ~2 million are members of Putin’s party United Russia or 1 in 73, in communist China, out of ~1.4 billion people, ~90 million are members of the CCP or in 15. I’ll spare you the numbers for Western European countries, they’re in the less than 1 in 100 area.

    So, let me sum it up, the orange clown is not only financially supporting a foreign regime that is a dictatorship in all but name, he has set up a new agency to support such regimes and he even schools the ruling party’s future leaders (School of the Americas anyone?) so that the US military can move freely throughout the country ruled by the regime and so that the regime remains in place for as long as possible.

    Now, I see only one reason why the US wants to be able to have troops and equipment move quickly at short notice from the Adriatic Sea or from Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo through Serbia, a largely irrelevant small country: a relevant big country nearby, Russia.

    And you speak of disengagement?

  288. Precious says:
    @Vojkan

    OK, let’s forget Serbia, let’s look at Bahrain. Half the population are immigrants. Two-thirds of the population are Shia Muslims, like Iranians. It is ruled by Sunnis, who are a little more than just a quarter of the population. The Sunnis are not even of the same current as the Saudis. Nevertheless, they rule exclusively thanks to the US and the Saudis. If the US leave, the Shia rise, the Sunni crush them with the help of Saudis, it has happened before but this time Iran, with no US in sight intervenes to help the Shia, and here we go, we have a war. That peace deal that Trump made sign is totally worthless. Conclusion: the US definitely can’t leave.

    You are right…but here is what I think they are working on…some kind of peace arrangement between Shia and Sunni. Now I am not saying that Trump is going to solve religious divisions over a millennium old, I think the Saudis know it has to happen, and told Trump some kind of plan.

    Nope, the US can’t afford to leave the region, everybody in the US establishment knows it, if you really believe Trump wants to then you’re having a pipe dream, and everything Trump does is just gesticulating to fool his electorate. On the other hand, Israel will continue to push hard the US to war on its behalf against Iran. Now thanks to Trump, they have formal allies with the same goal. Trump being the most pro-Israel US president ever, how long will he resist?

    If the USA does get dragged into a war with Iran, then I am obviously wrong. But despite Trump being possibly the most pro-Israel US president ever…he won’t go to war for them. If he wanted to go to war with Iran, he already would have. He saw Bush’s enormous mistakes, and I think he knows the USA can’t invade Iran. The USA won’t invade another country as long as Trump is president.

    • Replies: @Sya Beerens
  289. @Precious

    “Shia” and “Sunni” are European Colonial concepts. Anti Social Science

    Create Problems for Power and Profit.

  290. @Precious

    Obviously that was a big help for you when you tried it…

    Since I don’t have a reading comprehension problem, I didn’t try it.

    but I am smarter than most adults

    ROTFL!

    “Yes there is a context, real, not imagined, in which the deals between Israel and Bahrain and UAE can reasonably be called peace deals.

    No there isn’t.

    They prevent war with Iran in the Middle East. That is why I called them peace deals.

    You have no idea what they may or may not prevent; you call them “peace deals” because you’re just being contrary.

    You apparently called them “peace deals” because you’re dishonest, but as anyone paying attention can clearly see, I proved you wrong.

    This you utterly failed to do. Instead you unwittingly admitted what Trump is doing isn’t a scam and helps establish peace in the Middle East. Here are your words again… and see Iran as a common ‘enemy’ they would probably directly coordinate with each other anyway if a big war ever broke out.” Now we don’t have to hope for probably and we don’t have to worry about the big war breaking out…and the USA can reduce its presence in the Middle East. The peace deals build an alliance to block Iran so the USA doesn’t have to and Iran can’t win so they won’t try.

    LOL! Lacking a cogent argument and apparently having exhausted your childish repertoire, you just keep pulling this tortured strawman out of your ass.

    Assuming arguendo that the “peace deals” would somehow prevent a hypothetical future war involving Iran (an absurd assumption) how would that make jews in Israel start acting like human beings and ending their cruel oppression of Palestinians? It obviously wouldn’t.

    Sorry but inserting “my words” into your nonsensical context, while studiously ignoring the reality of the turmoil in the Mideast, the nature of jewish supremacist evil, the text of Trump’s tweet, and any and every other relevant fact – all you present here is a steaming pile of shit.

    First, you lie yet again; Russia didn’t violate the INF treaty.

    Yes they did.

    Prove it. Let’s see the evidence.

    Second, Russia tried to get team orange clown to negotiate the issue, but team orange clown refused.

    The USA spent over six years trying to negotiate the issue, and Russia refused to budge. Negotiations will reopen when Russia is ready.

    Identify the six year period you refer to, prove that there was a good faith effort to negotiate by the U.S. vs a recalcitrant Russia (rather than the usual U.S. technique of sabotaging negotiations e.g. with unacceptable preconditions), and cite the compelling evidence that the 9M729 missile violates the INF treaty.

    “Here is the USA’s talking point. Russia’s so-called “demonstration” on January 23, 2019, of what it claimed was the 9M729 launcher and canister did not change the fact that the system is a violation of the INF Treaty, because it has been flight-tested to distances prohibited under the treaty.”

    Seriously? That’s just another bare assertion by the U.S. “government” no different than the similarly groundless bare assertions by the same liars e.g. “Osama bin Laden did 9/11”; “Saddam Hussein is behind the anthrax attacks”; “Iran is building nukes”; etc. “Assad gassed his own people”; etc.

    The 9M729 is nothing more than an upgraded 9M728. It has a bigger warhead and an improved guidance system which made it 53 cm longer. The engine and the fuel mass are the same thus the max range is actually 10 km less than the 9M728. This was all explained at the public briefing.

    “The United States and most of our NATO Allies did not attend this briefing, because we all saw it for what it was – another attempt to obfuscate while giving the appearance of transparency. The “demonstration” was completely controlled by Russia. There is nothing that Russia can say or show to change the fact that Russia has already tested the 9M729 cruise missile to ranges beyond 500 kilometers in violation of the INF Treaty.”

    LOL! Well what else should we expect from the lying, mass-murdering, sanctimonious hypocrites running the evil empire? Attending the event would’ve been an opening to the type of dialog that the empire must avoid at all costs.

    “Russia denied the existence of their missile for over four years.”

    First, prove it. Second, to the extent that’s true, so what if they did deny the existence of it; are they somehow obliged to disclose the details of every weapon system they have to their avowed enemies? Of course not. Finally, let’s say for the sake of argument that the 9M729 cruise missile did exceed the maximum 500 km range set by the treaty. Being that the U.S. “government” had already publicly announced its intention to violate the treaty (by way the deployment of MK-41 missile launchers in Romania and Poland), who could blame them?

    “They don’t trust the USA will follow the treaty any more than the USA trusts Russia will follow the treaty. Now you know why Russia would take risks violating the treaty, they assume the USA will violate it also.”

    You speak as if the U.S. “government” did not surround Russia; does not routinely lie, break promises; repudiate and/or violate treaties; illegally attack and occupy other countries; overthrow other governments; seek nuclear primacy; etc.

    …This has been going on for the past 70 years.

    I don’t deny that at all…but that isn’t Trump’s fault.

    It’s Trump’s fault that he’s not changing course as per his election mandate. It’s Trump’s fault that he’s not only continuing the tradition but escalating the tensions and increasing the danger to the whole world. It’s Trump’s fault that he’s repudiated the INF treaty; it’s Trump’s fault that he’s repudiated the Open Skies treaty, and it will be Trump’s fault when the New START treaty expires six months from now because of Trump’s unreasonableness.

    Second, do I have to write a book to explain the provenance of the present situation to you? The so-called “missile defense system” aka “European Phased Adaptive Approach” (i.e. the Aegis Ashore systems in Romania and Poland) began under Obama…

    It is true the Democrats were planning a war with Russia.

    Both wings of the war party have been planning for war with Russia. The “problem” is that they’ve had to wait for someone as evil as Trump to come along to present the ultimata (to Russia and China) that risk nuclear war.

    Trump’s “space force” was apparently a response to the unveiling of the new Russian weaponry. Rather than finally sit down and negotiate like reasonable people – as Putin was apparently hoping for – team orange clown made the decision to weaponize space.

    Russia and China were already weaponizing space. Trump had no choice but to go forward with the space force as a deterrent and defense…

    That’s the official position; which is of course very misleading.

    Trump made it clear that space is seen as the new “warfighting domain,” He said: “It is not enough to merely have an American presence in space, we must have American dominance in space.”

    According to Karl Grossman et al.:

    China, Russia and Canada have led calls for the ratification of the Prevention of an Arms Race in Outer Space or PAROS treaty, barring ALL space weaponry. But although the PAROS treaty has had overwhelming support at the United Nations, year after year the U.S. has voted against it, vetoing its passage.

    China’s foreign ministry spokesman, Geng Shuang, called the creation of a U.S. Space Force “a serious violation of the international consensus on the peaceful use of outer space” and a “direct threat to outer space peace and security.”2

    Viktor Bondarev, the head of the Russian Federation Council’s Defense and Security Committee, responded that “militarization of space is a way to disaster,” and that Russia would “strongly retaliate.”3

    Despite pushing for years to expand the Outer Space Treaty and to forbid the deployment of any weapons in space, Russia and China will not sit back as the U.S. forms a Space Force and seeks “American dominance in space”. They will meet the U.S. in kind. And they will likely be followed
    by other nations, turning space into a war zone.

    https://beyondnuclearinternational.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/beyond-nuclear_space-force-booklet_.pdf

    “Now I certainly do want Trump and Putin to sit down and negotiate like reasonable people…and I expect that to happen in Trump’s second term.”

    You’re delusional if you expect Trump to do anything of the kind.

    “Let me add a few more details. Trump isn’t going to negotiate with Putin on Putin’s terms, he is going to negotiate with Putin on Trump’s terms.”

    Exactly! And that’s a big part of the problem. The psychotic psychopath Trump doesn’t recognize that anyone else has any rights or legitimate interests in anything. It’s all about him. That’s why his own niece, in her recent book, referred to him as “the world’s most dangerous man.”

    “We have two national leaders who are very protective of their nations who are each trying to get an advantage.”

    How can you possibly say that? If Trump gave the slightest damn about “his nation” he would not be illegally occupying Syria, stealing Syrian oil, trying to starve Venezuela into submission, presiding over a self-destructive trade war with China, pushing for increased military spending while the U.S. economy reels from COVID-19 and infrastructure crumbles, etc.

    Whether Trump likes it or not, Russia can wipe the U.S. off the map by pushing a few buttons. That is the reality of the situation, but that matters not to a psychotic psychopath like Trump.

    This is why the “World Mental Health Coalition” is making public statements like this:

    “This is a time of extraordinary danger to the nation because the man who wields the powers of the presidency of the United States is a mass killer.

    It is a time of unprecedented danger to the constitutional order of our country because a man with severe mental problems cannot accept the basic norms and laws of civic life.

    We are in a time of tremendous danger to the world because a man who is demonstrably incapable of serving in office controls the most powerful weapons of mass destruction in human history.”

    https://worldmhc.org/great-danger-to-the-nation/

    “The difference is that America was at a huge disadvantage because Putin consistently put his nation first for a very long time, while America was sold out by its politicians and gutted until 2016. What Trump is doing is to protect America and avoid war. He isn’t going to do that from a position of weakness. His approach is unorthodox, but he is doing it to avoid war.”

    Repudiating the framework of nuclear arms control thereby starting a costly and dangerous arms race (this time apparently including the full-on weaponization of space) – something that the U.S. ultimately cannot possibly “win” – while telegraphing an apparent intent to launch a nuclear first strike – is the most evil, most dangerous, most anti-American thing that the evil orange clown could possibly do.

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  291. Trump cannot and will not do anything relevant unless Republicans take Congress.

    retardicans controlled both halves of shitgress with Trump in WH for two years and nothing MAGA got done.

    You could almost see the faggy sigh of relief when they “lost” the House in 2018.

  292. Vojkan says:

    You could enumerate until tomorrow all the preposterous things Trump has done during his term in office, you could pile facts upon facts, none matter because you see, Soros and BLM and antifa and feminists and evil Iranian ayatollahs and blahblahblah, and never mind that we have never been as close to nuclear weapons actually being used since Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
    I can understand the support for Trump when his opponent was Hillary Clinton. Now, it is sheer insanity.

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  293. @Vojkan

    Check this out:

    And this:

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  294. Vojkan says:

    Thank you for the videos. I confess that I am not a fan of Stephen King and that I haven’t read the book nor seen the movie. However, I remember seeing a number of episodes of a TV series “The Dead Zone” in the 1990s and I think there are a few excerpts from it too in the video. I have heard before of King’s critic of Trump but I obviously haven’t paid it enough attention.
    In any case, I fully agree with his assessment of Trump’s character. I wish people could put aside their cognitive biases and listen to it with an open mind.

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  295. @Vojkan

    Hey Vojkan have you seen the movie “Back to the Future II”?

    There are some short movie clips available on youtube. Have a look at “Biff Tannen” (the bad guy) and tell me if his looks and his personality remind you of anyone…

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  296. @JVC

    We can then work on fixing the government

    .

    Naivete at its worst. Sounds like expecting a heroic rescue job from those actively working to sink a ship. The act of sinking the ship is thoroughly bipartisan. The methods may differ, but the end result stays the same. As for the concern for law and order, our successive murderous regimes that have killed millions overseas hardly point to any respect for law and order by the thugs in Washington. The damage is irreparable.

  297. @Harold Smith

    Its called Predictive Programming

  298. Precious says:
    @Harold Smith

    Assuming arguendo that the “peace deals” would somehow prevent a hypothetical future war involving Iran (an absurd assumption) how would that make jews in Israel start acting like human beings and ending their cruel oppression of Palestinians? It obviously wouldn’t.

    You are correct. I never argued it would do anything for the Palestinians. I argued it would prevent war with Iran, which is not an absurd assumption, it is, or at least was, a real possibility.

    Sorry but inserting “my words” into your nonsensical context, while studiously ignoring the reality of the turmoil in the Mideast, the nature of jewish supremacist evil, the text of Trump’s tweet, and any and every other relevant fact – all you present here is a steaming pile of shit.

    No, that is you introducing strawman arguments. The only point of contention I raised with you was Iran, and then we expanded to Russia and China. I didn’t claim these peace deals were going to make Israeli Jews good people.

    Prove it. Let’s see the evidence…Identify the six year period you refer to, prove that there was a good faith effort to negotiate by the U.S. vs a recalcitrant Russia (rather than the usual U.S. technique of sabotaging negotiations e.g. with unacceptable preconditions), and cite the compelling evidence that the 9M729 missile violates the INF treaty.Seriously? That’s just another bare assertion by the U.S. “government” no different than the similarly groundless bare assertions by the same liars e.g. “Osama bin Laden did 9/11”; “Saddam Hussein is behind the anthrax attacks”; “Iran is building nukes”; etc. “Assad gassed his own people”; etc.

    [MORE]

    The 9M729 is nothing more than an upgraded 9M728. It has a bigger warhead and an improved guidance system which made it 53 cm longer. The engine and the fuel mass are the same thus the max range is actually 10 km less than the 9M728. This was all explained at the public briefing.

    No, those were just bare assertions by the Russian “government” no different than the similarly groundless bare assertions by the same liars e.g. “Russia did not use chemical weapons on British soil”; “Chernobyl is under control with only 2 dead”; “Iran is not building nukes”; etc. You are repeating Russia’s talking points to me, I am repeating USA’s talking points to you. You have no more proof than I do.

    First, prove it. Second, to the extent that’s true, so what if they did deny the existence of it; are they somehow obliged to disclose the details of every weapon system they have to their avowed enemies? Of course not. Finally, let’s say for the sake of argument that the 9M729 cruise missile did exceed the maximum 500 km range set by the treaty. Being that the U.S. “government” had already publicly announced its intention to violate the treaty (by way the deployment of MK-41 missile launchers in Romania and Poland), who could blame them?

    So it doesn’t matter if Russia violated the INF treaty? No one can blame them? But the USA can’t violate the INF treaty after Russia does because the USA can’t be trusted?

    “They don’t trust the USA will follow the treaty any more than the USA trusts Russia will follow the treaty. Now you know why Russia would take risks violating the treaty, they assume the USA will violate it also.”

    You speak as if the U.S. “government” did not surround Russia; does not routinely lie, break promises; repudiate and/or violate treaties; illegally attack and occupy other countries; overthrow other governments; seek nuclear primacy; etc.

    ^Another strawman argument. You said that Russia would not take risks to violate the treaty. Now you are arguing the opposite, that because the USA is so treacherous, Russia would be insane not to risk violating the treaty because they can’t trust the USA. So, once again, you admit I am right about something.

    It’s Trump’s fault that he’s not changing course as per his election mandate. It’s Trump’s fault that he’s not only continuing the tradition but escalating the tensions and increasing the danger to the whole world. It’s Trump’s fault that he’s repudiated the INF treaty; it’s Trump’s fault that he’s repudiated the Open Skies treaty, and it will be Trump’s fault when the New START treaty expires six months from now because of Trump’s unreasonableness. Both wings of the war party have been planning for war with Russia. The “problem” is that they’ve had to wait for someone as evil as Trump to come along to present the ultimata (to Russia and China) that risk nuclear war.

    Glad to see we agree the past 70 years before Trump is not Trump’s fault. As for the rest of what you say, we will see if you are right, or I am right. I say Trump closes a deal to resolve these issues with Russia in his second term.

    That’s the official position; which is of course very misleading.Trump made it clear that space is seen as the new “warfighting domain,” He said: “It is not enough to merely have an American presence in space, we must have American dominance in space.”
    According to Karl Grossman et al.: Despite pushing for years to expand the Outer Space Treaty and to forbid the deployment of any weapons in space, Russia and China will not sit back as the U.S. forms a Space Force and seeks “American dominance in space”. They will meet the U.S. in kind. And they will likely be followed by other nations, turning space into a war zone.

    We will find out soon enough if Karl Grossman is right or wrong.

    Exactly! And that’s a big part of the problem. The psychotic psychopath Trump doesn’t recognize that anyone else has any rights or legitimate interests in anything. It’s all about him. That’s why his own niece, in her recent book, referred to him as “the world’s most dangerous man.”

    This is obviously false after seeing how Trump performed with North Korea, and even with Iran. Each time Trump has recognized the need for his adversary to save face publicly, and allowed them to do so. That avoided escalation into war with both countries. A psychopath would not bother, so therefore Trump is not a psychopath.

    “We have two national leaders who are very protective of their nations who are each trying to get an advantage.”

    How can you possibly say that? If Trump gave the slightest damn about “his nation” he would not be illegally occupying Syria, stealing Syrian oil, trying to starve Venezuela into submission, presiding over a self-destructive trade war with China, pushing for increased military spending while the U.S. economy reels from COVID-19 and infrastructure crumbles, etc.

    ^This is false. Trump is not starving Venezuela into submission, they are doing that on our own. The trade war is benefitting the USA, and we will see what happens with the economy. He is in Syria still, but he didn’t put us there and he is still working on drawing down forces in the Middle East, which is made easier by making these peace deals.

    That is the reality of the situation, but that matters not to a psychotic psychopath like Trump. This is why the “World Mental Health Coalition” is making public statements like this: “This is a time of extraordinary danger to the nation because the man who wields the powers of the presidency of the United States is a mass killer.It is a time of unprecedented danger to the constitutional order of our country because a man with severe mental problems cannot accept the basic norms and laws of civic life.We are in a time of tremendous danger to the world because a man who is demonstrably incapable of serving in office controls the most powerful weapons of mass destruction in human history.”

    ^Utter delusion from the World Mental Health Coalition. Trump is not a mass killer. Trump doesn’t have any mental problems and his niece’s book claiming otherwise was laughably incorrect in the attempts to diagnose him. Trump is restoring the basic norms and laws of civic life in the USA after the Democrats nearly destroyed them. And Trump hasn’t used any nukes. Would you agree that if he leaves office without using them, that he was capable of controlling them?

    Repudiating the framework of nuclear arms control thereby starting a costly and dangerous arms race (this time apparently including the full-on weaponization of space) – something that the U.S. ultimately cannot possibly “win” – while telegraphing an apparent intent to launch a nuclear first strike – is the most evil, most dangerous, most anti-American thing that the evil orange clown could possibly do.

    Again, that is your interpretation of an incomplete picture. Weren’t you telling us the same thing when Trump was getting bellicose with North Korea? How did your predictions fare then? How did the World Mental Health Coalition do in its predictions with respect to Trump and North Korea?

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  299. Vojkan says:
    @Harold Smith

    I’ve seen it. Made in the time when Hollywood was still making entertaining stuff. The problem is Biff was hard to take seriously because we all knew he’d lose eventually. I take the orange clown very seriously, especially since the Democrats seem to be doing everything they can to lose the election.

  300. Saker thinking the Neo-USSR is ready for anything is hilarious. Saker can’t see what is in front of him because of his ideological blinders. Putinist Russia is every bit as weak as the US.

  301. @Precious

    “You are correct. I never argued it would do anything for the Palestinians. I argued it would prevent war with Iran, which is not an absurd assumption, it is, or at least was, a real possibility.”

    It is an absurd assumption first of all because you pretend that Iran is the aggressor who wants war. Anyone paying attention can see that Iran obviously doesn’t want war and will neither start a war nor allow escalation to war unless it it is FORCED into it. And if it is FORCED into it the complicity/participation of the corrupt medieval vassal states of Bahrain and UAE will obviously be completely irrelevant. Also as I pointed out, the “peace deals” didn’t do anything that wasn’t happening already anyway so your argument is moot on that point alone.

    “No, that is you introducing strawman arguments. The only point of contention I raised with you was Iran, and then we expanded to Russia and China. I didn’t claim these peace deals were going to make Israeli Jews good people.”

    Your argument about Iran is a strawman because your evil orange messiah made it clear in his tweet that the purpose of the peace deals was:

    “to advance the cause of peace, dignity,and economic opportunity for the Palestinian people. The parties will continue their efforts in this regard to achieve a just, comprehensive,and enduring resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflictto enable the Palestinian people to realize their full potential.”

    Since this is statement is ridiculous on its face you had to come up with something else so you introduced a strawman to change the context from a just peace peace between the Palestinians and Israel to the prevention of some hypothetical future war with Iran (which as I pointed out above was absurd in itself). Capiche?

    BTW in introducing your tortured strawman you impliedly admit that you evil orange messiah is a liar, so thanks for that.

    More later if I get a chance.

    • Replies: @Precious
  302. Precious says:
    @Harold Smith

    It is an absurd assumption first of all because you pretend that Iran is the aggressor who wants war. Anyone paying attention can see that Iran obviously doesn’t want war and will neither start a war nor allow escalation to war unless it it is FORCED into it. And if it is FORCED into it the complicity/participation of the corrupt medieval vassal states of Bahrain and UAE will obviously be completely irrelevant. Also as I pointed out, the “peace deals” didn’t do anything that wasn’t happening already anyway so your argument is moot on that point alone.

    It is true that Iran didn’t send one of its aircraft carriers into the Gulf of Mexico. That would be because they don’t have aircraft carriers. What Iran does have is global criminal networks and terrorist training units. At least one of those units trained Antifa which is why we saw an Antifa death squad operating in Portland. You are correct that Iran doesn’t want war, but they are an aggressor. They want to dominate the Middle East and extract concessions from the Arab Gulf nations and they were well on their way to achieving those goals before Trump entered the picture. Without Trump, maybe it would have come to war, or, more likely, Iran would have been dominant and force a large and expensive US presence in the Middle East to counteract it.

    Your argument about Iran is a strawman because your evil orange messiah made it clear in his tweet that the purpose of the peace deals was:

    Harold, a strawman argument is when your opponent, in this case, myself, claims your argument is argA, when your argument is actually argB. I am not doing that. I am saying what my argument was, not what your argument was. So I can’t make a strawman argument about my own argument, unless I want to argue with myself. My argument, from the very beginning, was that these were peace deals, and that they were peace deals because they contain Iran. You even reinforced that point when you cited Ted Snider… “They are between nations that were already at peace and offer no peace to the Palestinians, while they proliferate US arms in the region and have much more to do with the threat of war with Iran.” And then I said, “The purpose of these deals is to bring Israel and Saudi Arabia into one alliance against Iran. Until Iran is put in checkmate, there will be no peace in the Middle East. Ted Snyder is correct that this is about Iran, but he is wrong that this is not about peace.”

    I never said anything about the Palestinians, and I never claimed any of these peace deals help the Palestinians. Now you cite here the joint statement by Bahrain and Israel and the US and how this is going to help the Palestinians. I am skeptical that this will help the Palestinians. Maybe there are side agreements which are not public to somehow help the Palestinians, and maybe there are not. All I can say for that part of the statement is we shall see.

    to advance the cause of peace, dignity,and economic opportunity for the Palestinian people…Since this is statement is ridiculous on its face you had to come up with something else so you introduced a strawman to change the context from a just peace peace between the Palestinians and Israel to the prevention of some hypothetical future war with Iran (which as I pointed out above was absurd in itself). Capiche?

    I understand. I apologize that in my first reply to you, when I said, “These peace deals will allow Trump to reduce US military presence and leave Israel and the GCC to counter balance the Iranians, Russians and Chinese.” That I didn’t also say, “USA, Israel and the GCC win out on this peace deal, and the Palestinians are losers because they don’t get anything and there will be no peace for them.” I didn’t realize that by not mentioning the Palestinians and talking about Middle East peace I wasn’t talking about what you consider to be important for peace. I was talking about this from an American point of view of peace which is to get America to disengage from the Middle East as much as possible.

    BTW in introducing your tortured strawman you impliedly admit that you evil orange messiah is a liar, so thanks for that.

    He could be, or more accurately the three nations might be lying, or they could just be exaggerating. Or maybe there is something coming that will show they are telling the truth. I will adopt a wait and see posture for what comes next.

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  303. @Precious

    It is true that Iran didn’t send one of its aircraft carriers into the Gulf of Mexico. That would be because they don’t have aircraft carriers. What Iran does have is global criminal networks and terrorist training units…

    I would have to disagree with everything you say in this paragraph, and almost everything in your whole comment, and I would have to ask you to define terms, etc. and it would go on and on ad nauseum and frankly I don’t think it’s worth wasting any more time.

    Harold, a strawman argument is when your opponent, in this case, myself, claims your argument is argA, when your argument is actually argB. I am not doing that. I am saying what my argument was, not what your argument was….

    As I understand it, generally speaking, a “strawman” argument involves a misrepresentation of something someone said so as to make it easier to refute the point. In this case, as I see it, you misrepresented the meaning of the word “peace” (i.e. it can’t be any arbitrary thing you want it be) in order to make it easier refute my claim that the “peace deal” was in fact not about peace.

    I agree that you didn’t misrepresent something I said (per se), so I will I admit that I used the term loosely, and probably technically incorrectly (it wasn’t worth going through the list of fallacies to pick out the best one), so I will cede that point to you.

    With that I think I’m done with this discussion as I see no point in continuing.

  304. Big James says:

    It is just obvious that these people are motivated by pure hate and where there is hate, violence always follows!

    And the Trumpist/KKK/Supremacists who you support are motivated by compassion and non-violence ? ?

  305. America needs to get back to its black and jewish roots and have some laughs. Amos and Andy-what do Calhourn and Kingfish say about BLM and Maceam Queen and Sapphire are going to Mrs Robinsons’ Sunday evening. Bow as for Trump versus Biden–dump the 2 of these losers and bring on Moe – Larry and Curly —about as entertaining –

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