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Our fundamental disagreement about WWII, Hitler, Jews and race

The topic of Russians and Jews is clearly a “hot” one. Over the past few years I wrote several articles on this topic including “Putin and Israel A Complex and Multi-Layered Relationship”, “Why Is Putin “Allowing” Israel to Bomb Syria?”, “Russia, Israel and the Values of “Western Civilization” – Where Is the Truth?” and “Debunking the Rumors About Russia Caving in to Israel”. And yet, for a while now I have felt that there is much more which could, and should, be said on this topic.

Recent events (including Putin’s and Zelenskii’s recent trip to Israel or the latest Polish-Ukrainian theory about the USSR being an accomplice to the Holocaust) again gave me that strong feeling that the way Jews are seen in the West is truly very different from how Jews are viewed in Russia. Yet, in the West, this difference is often (almost always, really!) overlooked and assumptions are made about Russia and Russians which are simply not warranted and which end up being highly misleading. This is why I will try to debunk some of these assumptions today.

First, a very quick and very short look into our recent history

The very best book to read on Russian-Jewish relations is “200 Years Together” by Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The problem with this book is that has never been officially translated into English. Yup, that’s right. A CRUCIAL book by a Nobel Prize winner can be so controversial that nobody in the publishing business has dared to print it. Happily, a number of websites offer unofficial “samizdat” translations, see here, here and here. I cannot vouch for the quality of these translations as I read the book in Russian, not in English. But yeah, in the “land of the free”, the putative “brave” do not get to read a book if that book debunks the western narrative about Russia and Jews. By the way, Solzhenitsyn’s masterpiece is not the only such book which exists only in Russian, there are many more including Andrei Dikii’s “Jews in Russia and the USSR” which can also only be found on the Internet Archive here.

I can’t even begin to try to summarize that most interesting, and controversial history here. All I will say for right now is that when we speak of “Russians” and “Jews” we need to separate these categories into 4 subcategories:

  • Russians from what would be considered Russia today, in other words, “Great-Russians” (here “great” does not indicate a superiority, but only a peripheral place of residence, meaning Russians who don’t live in central Russia). For our purposes I will from now on simply call them “Russians”.
  • Russians from what would be considered the Ukraine today in other words, “Small-Russians” (meaning Russians living near the cradle of the Russian civilization, Kiev). For our purposes, I will from now on refer to them as “Ukrainians”, but only in a geographical sense, not a cultural one.
  • Russian Jews (as opposed to Ukrainian Jews)
  • Ukrainian Jews (as opposed to Russian Jews)

These four subgroups have had a very different historical experience and they need to be considered separately, as lumping them all together really does not allow any analysis.

Besides, and as I have also mentioned it in the past, the Ukrainian nationalist propaganda does, in fact, have some truth to it. Yes, it is a grossly distorted truth, and it is mixed in with an avalanche of lies, but still, not all of it can simply be dismissed. For example, while there never was any “Ukraine” in history, and while what is called today the “Ukrainian language” is not really Ukrainian at all (the “surzhik” would be the real thing), it still remains an undeniable fact that the Polish occupation of southern and eastern Russia (which is what “the Ukraine” is – Russia’s southeastern “borderland” which is what the word “Ukraine” originally meant) left an extremely profound mark on those Russians who lived under the Polish-Latin occupation. I won’t go into historical details today as I already did that here and here, but I will just say that this tragic history eventually inspired one of the favorite slogans of Ukrainian nationalists: “to drown all the Polaks and the Moskals in Kike blood” (or any variation of these three nationalities).

Charming, no?

The undeniable historical truth is that the centuries long occupation of the Russian eastern frontier lands by the Poles and their Latin masters created so much hatred between all the nationalities involved that it appears that every time they had a chance to try to persecute or kill each other, they immediately did so. Here area few examples of that kind of violence:

  • The (in)famous “pogroms”: these were spontaneous and violent uprisings and subsequent brutal riots against Jews by their resentful neighbors. By the way, during the Civil War, the Reds often were the worst perpetrators of these pogroms because they also saw the comparatively wealthy Jews as class enemies in the Marxist sense of the word.
  • The very high percentage of Jews among the first generation Bolsheviks (80%-85% according to Vladimir Putin; fwiw, I agree with this figure). These Bolshevik Jews were typically concentrated in the secret police organs and they typically spearheaded the massacre of millions of Orthodox Christians (which have since been gloried by the Russian Orthodox Church in Exile and, later, somewhat reluctantly and only partially, by the Moscow Patriarchate, as the “New Martyrs and Confessors of Russia”).
  • A very high percentage of Jews among the Party leaders during the (truly horribly brutal) collectivization and and dekulakization which took place all over the Soviet Union but which the Ukrainian nationalists (and the western propaganda machine) characterize as a deliberate anti-Ukrainian genocide they call the “Holodomor” (yes, I know, Wikipedia entries on all these topics are pure propaganda, but I link to them precisely so you can see what the Ukrainian propaganda writes).
  • A very high percentage of Ukrainians in the post-Stalin Soviet elites, many of whom participated in the bloody purges of the CPSU by Stalin; and since about 80%+ of the top Party officials were Jews, these purges necessarily involved a lot of repressed Jews (whether guilty ones who themselves were covered in innocent blood or innocent ones, who were simply repressed with the rest of them).

I could list more examples, but I think that these are sufficient for our purposes. What we can immediately see is that there are significant differences between what took place in modern Russia and in the modern Ukraine, including:

An example of a crucial geographical difference would be “pogroms” which, contrary to western propaganda, pogroms all took place in what would be the modern Ukraine today, never in Russia.

There is also a difference in time: Russians in the Ukraine were persecuted by Poles and Jews for centuries whereas Russians in what is modern Russia today were primarily persecuted by Bolshevik Jews “only” between 1917 and Stalin’s purges of the party in the late 1930s.

And then, there is the crucial, truly immense, difference which WWII made.

Next, a look at what happened during World War II and the Nazi occupation

When the Nazis launched their attack on the Soviet Union there were a lot of Russians and Ukrainians who welcomed the Nazis, not necessarily because they liked the Nazi ideology but because many of them hated their Bolshevik oppressors even more than they disliked the Germans. After all, the horrors of the Civil War and of the Collectivization were still present in the mind of millions of people both in the (newly created) Ukrainian SSR and in the Russian SSR.

I would like to remind all those who nowadays try very hard to forget it, that the Nazi ideology characterizes both Russians and Ukrainians as subhumans (Untermensch) whose sole purpose would be to serve their Aryan master race overlords (Herrenvolk) in the newly conquered living space (Lebensraum). Simply put: Hitler promised his followers that they would be very happy slave owners! It is no wonder that the prospective slaves felt otherwise…

In the course of the war, however, profound differences began to emerge:

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First, in the Ukraine, the Nazi ideology DID inspire a lot of nationalists for the exact same reasons that Nazi ideology inspired nationalist Poles (who were Hitler’s first most loyal allies only to later be betrayed by him). Over the centuries the Papacy not only created the Ukrainian nationalist identity, it then actively fostered it every time Russia was weakened (if that topic is of interest to you, see here). The bitter truth which folks in the West don’t like to be reminded of is that the regimes of Petain, Franco, Pavelic, Pilsudksi, etc. were all created and supported by the Papacy which, of course, also supported Bandera and his Ukronazi deathsquads. As for Hitler himself, he was initially strongly supported by the UK (just as Trotsky was supported by the Jewish bankers in the US). Indeed, russophobia has a long and “distinguished” history in the West: western leaders change, as do their ideological rationalizations, but their hatred and fear of Russia always remains.

In contrast, General Andrei Vlasov, who created the “Russian Liberation Army” (ROA) had exactly zero support in the West, and very little support in Russia proper. The ideology of the ROA was a mix of moderate nationalism with some no less moderate socialism. In hindsight, it never stood a chance of becoming truly popular in Russia simply because the sight of a Russian general wearing a Nazi uniform was not something that most Russians could serenely look at, whereas in the current Nazi-occupied Ukraine, Nazi uniforms and symbols are still very popular. Last, but certainly not least, the demented and outright genocidal policies of the Nazis in occupied Russia resulted in such a blowback that the war to liberate Russia from the Nazis became a war of national survival which the vast majority of Russians fully supported.

It is also interesting how differently the Anglo powers treated the Ukronazis and the Russians of the ROA: the West lovingly imported to the US and Canada all the Ukronazis it could get its hands on, yet at the same time the West forcibly repatriated millions of Russians, including POW and ROA members, with often horrible consequences for the repatriates. As for General Vlasov himself, he was executed along with other officers accused of treason.

For the Ukrainian nationalists, WWII began as a God-sent chance to finally bring about their dream to “drown all the Polaks and the Moskals in Kike blood”, and then this dream was crushed by the Soviet counter-attack and subsequent annihilation of most (about 80%) of the German military machine. And while many Ukrainians (and Poles) did see the Soviets as their liberators from the Nazi horrors, the Ukronazis obviously saw the Soviet Army solely as an occupation force which they resisted for as long as they could (after the end of the war, it still took the Soviets several years to finally crush the Ukronazi underground). And while most Russians felt like they were the real victors of WWII, the Ukronazi nationalists felt that they had been defeated. Again. The same goes for the Poles, by the way (this trauma gave birth to something I refer to as the “Pilban syndrome”).

Now for the self-evident truism about Jews: while many Russians remained acutely aware of the Jewish role in the Bolshevik revolution and, especially, in the class terror which followed, they did not see ALL Jews as enemies of Russia, especially not when

  1. There were plenty of patriotic Jews who loved Russia and/or the USSR
  2. That Hitler’s demented racism inevitably had to bring Jews and Russians together, even if only for a while and mostly under the “common enemy” heading.
  3. Many (most?) Russians know for a fact that Nazi concentration/extermination camps did, in fact, exist even if they did not kill 6M Jews, even if they had no gas chambers and no crematoria (except to deal with insect-born diseases). Why? Because it was the Soviet military which liberated most of these camps and because there were plenty of non-Jewish Russians/Soviets in these camps. Finally, besides the camps themselves, most Russians also know about the infamous Einsatzgruppen which probably murdered even more Jews (and non-Jews) than all the concentration/extermination camps combined. The fact is that Nazi atrocities are not seriously challenged by most Russian historians.

The bottom line is this: whatever (at the time very real) hostility history had created between Jews and Russians, World War II had a huge impact on these perceptions. That is not to say that the Russians have forgotten the genocidal policies of Lenin and Trotsky, but only that after WWII, most Russians justly felt that they were victors, not defeated losers.

The Ukrainian nationalists, in contrast, were “multi-defeat” losers: they were defeated by the Germans, the Russians and even the Poles (who rarely attack anybody unless their prospective victim is already agonizing or unless there is some “big guy” protecting them – Churchill was quite right with his “greedy hyena of Europe” comment!). And now, more recently, they were soundly defeated not once, but TWICE, by the Novorussians. That kind of “performance” will often result in a nationalistic reaction.

And that is true not only for the Ukraine, but also very much applies to the West of 2020.

Does the collective West also suffer from the same “multi-defeat” complex?

It seems to me that most people reading these lines already know that the “collective West” aka the “AngloZionist Empire” is in terrible shape. Just look at the political chaos in the US, the UK, France, Germany and all the rest of the NATO/EU countries. The West is not only losing militarily and economically, it is also agonizing culturally, socially, morally and spiritually. Furthermore, that which we all used to think of as “western values” is now being replaced by some insipid “multiculturalism” which seems to pious euphemism for the obvious plan to erase pretty much all of the western historical and cultural legacy. Like all forms of persecution, this one is also resulting in an increasingly powerful case of ideological blowback: a very dangerous and toxic resurgence of both Fascism and National-Socialism.

How could a person (Hitler) and an ideology (National-Socialism) be both declared uniquely evil AND, at the same time, undergo at least a partial rehabilitation in the same society? Simple! The only condition necessary to make that happen is to condition people to accept cognitive dissonances and not to be too troubled when they happen. The average citizen of the Empire has been conditioned to accept, and even embrace, such cognitive dissonances quite literally since birth and he has become very, very good at that. But there is also a historiographical blowback in action here:

Following WWII and, especially, following the 1970s, the Zionists made what I consider to be a disastrous mistake: they decided to present Hitler and his ideology as some kind of special and unique form of evil which supersedes any and all, past or even future, imaginable forms of evil. And just to make sure that this claim would stick, they decided to add some highly specific claims including the “official’” figure of 6 million murdered Jews, the gas chambers and crematoria being the most famous ones, but there were many more (including electrocution pools, human skin lamp shades and human fat soaps – but which had to be ditched after being proven false). Eventually these claims all came under very effective attack by the so-called “revisionist historians” who have since proven beyond reasonable doubt that these specific claims were false. That did not make these historians very popular with the rulers of the Empire who, instead of allowing for of a healthy historical debate, decided to make “revisionism” a criminally punishable thoughtcrime for which historians could be jailed, sometimes for years! The reaction to that kind of abuse of power was inevitable.

One of the most pernicious result of this policy of criminalizing historical investigations into WWII has been the fact that many people in the West concluded that since these specific claims were bunk, then all of the claims about Nazi atrocities were bunk too. Huge logical mistake! The fact that these specific claims have already been debunked in no way implies that OTHER widely reported atrocities did not occur.

For example, the fact that gas chambers were probably not used to kill anybody (at least not in significant amounts) does not at all imply that many hundreds of thousands, or even million of people, were not killed by execution, starvation or disease (typhus, dysentery, etc.). Just look at the death rates in Japanese POW camps, and they had no gas chambers or crematoria. As for the Soviets, they deported “class enemies” from their homes and simply released them in the middle of the Siberian taiga during the winter and with no survival gear: most of them also quickly died, simply from exposure.

The simple truth is that any modern state has the means to murder people on an industrial scale even without the use of such exotic (and, frankly, ill-suited) techniques as gas chambers or crematoria (in Rwanda, they mostly used crude machetes). But western historians are banned from even researching these topics!

This situation resulted in an environment in the West in which one cannot criticize (or even doubt!) Jews or things Jewish without immediately being called an “anti-Semite”. Ditto for anybody daring to present another version of WWII. That this kind of collective brainwashing would inevitably result in a massive blowback was easy to predict but, alas, the Zionists never had the foresight to see this coming. Either that, or they were quite happy to report a “surge in anti-Semitism” in the West to extort even more political power (and money!). Whatever may be the case, it is close to impossible in the current West to freely and openly discuss these topics.

Now a quick comparison with modern Russia

The political environment in Russia is radically different. For one thing, it is not illegal (or even improper) in Russia to criticize Jews, or modern “Judaism” (really a modern form of rabbinical Phariseism) or Israel or the Zionist ideology (which, by the way, the USSR did denounce and oppose as a form of racism). Yes, there are still (pretty bad) laws on the books forbidding the promotion of national hatred and “extremist speech”, but the truth is that as long as you only investigate historical topics (such as the real number of Jews murdered by the Nazis) and you do not advocate (or engage in) violence you will be fine. Not only that, but you can find pretty much any and all anti-Jewish/Zionist books on the Russian Internet for easy and free download. Finally, while a lot of Jews did leave the USSR, those who stayed (or have since returned) did that of their own free will and that strongly suggests that, unlike their brethren in Israel, many (most?) Russian Jews do not have feelings of hatred for Russia, the Russian people or even the Orthodox Church (some do, of course, but this is a minority).

Some near sighted Jews regularly deplore that the political discourse in Russia is not as tightly controlled as the one in the West. I would simply like to remind them that the much more permissive intellectual environment of Russia has NOT resulted in an automatic fusion between patriotism and hostility to Jews, as is sadly the case in the West (unless, of course, we are dealing with what French philosopher and dissident Alain Soral calls “National-Zionism” which is a separate phenomenon which I discussed in some detail here).

True, when patriotism (love for one’s country) turns into nationalism (love of one’s ethnicity), then things typically go south, but that is a danger of which the Kremlin is acutely aware of and that is why Russian nationalists are, after Russian Wahabis, the most frequently jailed people in Russia under anti extremism laws (keep in mind that both Russian nationalists and Russian Wahabis typically not only disseminate “extremist literature” but they also are typically engaged in one form of violence or another, thus they are often jailed on terrorism charges too).

An increasing number of Russia are, however, puzzled by what they see as a slow-motion rehabilitation of Hitler and the Nazi regime. For example, while in the West the official doxa is still that Hitler and the Nazis were the worst evil in history, there is a rapidly growing “alternative” viewpoint, mostly found on the Internet, of course, in which Hitler is viewed as a much more complex person, who has been unjustly demonized and whose actions need to be placed in a “correct” historical context. And, in fact, there is some truth to that – Hitler was a complex personality and the Nazis were demonized beyond way beyond anything reasonable. Finally, the proponents of this “rehabilitation” will always point out that Hitler’s enemies were at least as ruthless and evil has he was. Again, there is also much truth to that. However, when the EU declares in a solemn vote that Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were both equally responsible for WWII, then a fundamental red line is crossed, one which places an “equal” sign not only between the aggressor and the aggressed but also between those who were defeated and those who were victorious.

As I have often written in the past, under international law the ultimate, most evil, crime is not “genocide” or “crimes against humanity”. It is the “crime of aggression” because, in the words of the US judge who declared this principle, “the crime of aggression contains all the other crimes”, which is only logical. Thus by accusing the USSR of aggression, the EU is basically annulling them findings of the Nuremberg Tribunal, it makes the USSR every bit as guilty of all the atrocities of WWII as the Nazis.

Are the Russians correct when they say that there is a slow-motion rehabilitation of Hitler and his ideology in the West?

Absolutely!

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The fact that this slo-mo rehabilitation is still currently and mostly confined to the margins of the political discourse does not change the Russian awareness that no matter how much Hitler and his minions are disliked or even hated in the West, Russia and Russians will always be hated even much more. This is also true of what the West calls “Islamic extremism” which is only “bad” when it is not fully controlled by the West (terrorists!!), and which is “good”, axiomatically so, when directed against Russia or other Orthodox nations (freedom fighters!!).

Under these circumstances, is it really surprising that many (most?) Russians feel like the West is a much bigger danger to the Russian civilizational realm than any anti-Russian plans concocted by Jews, Zionists or the Israelis?

Absolutely not!

Not only do most Russians hate Hitler and everything he stood for, they also truly understand that the vast majority of Jews murdered by the Third Reich were simple, innocent, people whose only crime was to be of the same ethnicity/religion as some other Jews who did, indeed, richly deserved to be hated for their racist messianism (be it religious or secular). That is a fundamental injustice which Russians will never accept because accepting it would be a betrayal of truth (a hugely important concept for the Russian civilization) and no less of a betrayal of the memory of all the innocents murdered by the Nazis.

Conclusion one: history matters, a lot!

Whatever we all may think of Jewish identity politics or whatever our opinion of the Soviet Union, it is undeniable that Hitler’s policies inflicted unspeakable suffering upon both Russians and Jews. Western Alt-Righters, who still delude themselves into thinking that Russians share in their racist delusions, can deny and denounce this, but the fact is that history has forever created a bond between Jews and Russians: their common memory of the mass atrocities perpetuated against them by the Nazis. No amount of political gesticulations will change that.

That does not, of course, mean that Putin, the Kremlin or anybody else is an “ally” of Israel or that Putin and Bibi Netanyahu are working together (or for each other). This utter nonsense is a completely false conclusion resulting from a fundamental and profound misreading of Russian history and Russian culture. But it goes even further than that. I would argue that the history of the Russian culture is also fundamentally incompatible with any racist/racialist ideas.

The ideology of pre-1917 Russia can be described as “Orthodox monarchism”. This is not really correct for a long list of reasons (reality is always more complex than buzz-words and slogans), but by and large you could say that what was considered morally right or morally wrong was defined by the Russian Orthodox Church. Well, it just so happens that while original Christianity (i.e. Orthodoxy) was very critical of rabbinical “Judaism” (the religion and wordview), that same original Christianity was far less hostile to Jews (the ethnicity) then western Christian demominations. In fact, true Christianity has always been pro-patriotic but anti-nationalistic. This was also the practice in the Eastern Roman Empire (whose political structure Russia inherited). By the way, this is also true for the 2nd religion of Russia, Islam.

Then, after the 1917 Revolution, Russia was initially submitted to two decades of Jewish terror, especially a kind of terror directed against the Russian people and the Orthodox faith. With the coming to power of Stalin, however, major changes took place (and most of those who had drowned Russia in innocent blood were themselves executed during the famous “purges”). And while Stalin never was an “anti-Semite” (this is silly nonsense which both Stalin’s actions and writings directly contradict), his purges (and reforms) did profoundly change the nature of the Soviet regime, including the ethnic composition of the leaders of the CPSU which became much more diverse.

Speaking of the Soviet Union in general, it is also important to remember that the Marxist-Leninist ideology also rejects racial and ethnic differences and, instead, advocates a solidarity of all people against their class oppressors.

Thus neither the pre-1917 nor the post-1917 mainstream Russian ideology/worldview are a viable ground to try to promote racist ideas. And, thankfully, neither is modern (“Putin’s”) Russia.

The truth is that Russia which, as I mentioned above, is the political heir to the East Roman Empire (aka “Byzantium” in western parlance) has ALWAYS been multi-religious, multi-cultural, multi-ethnic and pretty much any and all other “multi-something” you can think of. For all the many sins of the Russian people during their history, racism was never one of them!

For example, this is also why, while most people in the West see Islam (and Muslims) as “aliens”, most Russians are totally used to them and see them as longtime neighbors. That does not mean that Russian’s don’t remember the dozen or so wars Russia fought against the Ottomans, nor does it mean that Russia has forgiven the Wahabi atrocities in Chechnia. It simply and only means that Muslims, and even Turks, are not see as “national enemies” by Russians.

The same is true for Jews. Yes, the Russians do remember what Jews did to them during the early years of the Bolshevik regime, but that memory, that awareness, does NOT typically result into any kind of racism, including any type of anti-Jewish racism. Nor do the horrors committed by Jewish Bolsheviks obfuscate all the very real contributions of various Jews to the Russian culture.

By the way, it is important to remember here that while it is true that most first-generation Bolsheviks were Jews, it is not true that most Jews were Bolsheviks. In fact, Jews were found pretty much everywhere, including amongst Menshevik’s, anarchists, Bundists, etc…

So yes, Jews and Russians mostly lived together for about 200 years, and much of our common history is tragic, painful and even shameful, but at the end of the day, it would be false to think that most Russians either dislike or fear Jews. They do not. Even when they are critical of this or that personality, ideology or religion (original Christianity will always be the ultimate enemy of rabbinical Judaism, just as rabbinical Judaism will always remain the ultimate enemy of original Christianity; we can understand why that is so, or we can deplore it, but we should never forget or deny this!).

If any self-described anti-Semite reads these words and is absolutely outraged by what I just wrote, please also make sure to read “The Invention of the Jewish People” by Shlomo Sand” which will show to you that the very notion of “ethnicity” (whether Jewish or non-Jewish) is a modern invention with very little actual basis in history, especially in the history of multi-cultural empires. Simply put: in a culture which does not really believe in the importance of ethnicity no truly racist ideology can develop. It is really that simple!

Yes, I know about Dostoevskii’s and Rozanov’s dislike for Jews (and Poles, by the way), and yes I know about the Pale of Settlement (won’t touch this here, but it sure was not what western historians in the West think it was – just read Solzhenitsyn!). I also know about the “Blood Libel” (won’t touch this one either, but I will recommend you read the 2007 book by Israeli historian Ariel Toaff “Passovers of Blood”) and about all the other myths spread in the West (by Jews and non-Jews) about “Russian anti-Semitism”. But the truth is simple: while there were many instances in history when Jews and Russians clashed (including the 10th century destruction of Khazaria by Russian forces or the 15th century struggle against the “Heresy of the Judaizers” – which, by the way, Wikipedia does a very bad job describing: in reality this was an early attempt by Kabbalists to infiltrate the Russian Orthodox Church just as they had successfully infiltrated the Papacy). Yet, these conflicts did not resulted in any major hostility of Russians towards Jews (the inverse is, alas, not nearly as true).

Conclusion two: Putin, Zelenskii and the Israelis

The recent trip of both Zelenskii and Putin to Israel has, again, brought the topic of the Jewish, Russian and Ukrainian “triangle” to the front page news. The Poles also seized the opportunity to make things worse for themselves when they chimed in on it all. You read the stories, so no need to repeat it all here. What was most impressive about this event was that Zelenskii decided that he would travel to Israel, only to then declare that he would not participate in the commemorative events. Why? Clearly, he was terrified that the Ukronazis will denounce him for caving in to Zionist pressure.

Putin did the exact opposite, not only did he travel to Israel and he spoke at the event, he also reminded the (mostly Jewish) audience of the horrors which the Russian people also suffered at the hands of the Nazis. Clearly, Putin did not fear that some Russian nationalists would accuse him of caving in to Zionist pressure. Why not?

Why could Putin speak so freely?

For two very simple reasons:

First, and unlike the Ukrainians or the Poles, the Russians have exactly zero guilt about what happened in WWII. In spite of all the lies currently spread in the West, the Soviet Union did not start WWII – the Soviet Union pretty much single-handedly defeated Hitler and ended the war (the entire Anglo effort was worth no more than 20% and only came after the Soviets defeated the Wehrmacht and the SS in Stalingrad and elsewhere).

Second, Jewish supremacism was very short lived in the USSR (roughly from 1917 to 1937) and neither Putin nor any other Russian political leader will let claims of exclusive “special” Jewish suffering go unchallenged. And while most Russian politicians don’t feel the need to express any doubts about the “official” 6 million figure, they do like to remind their Jewish friends that the Russian nation suffered anywhere between 20 to 27 million dead people during WWII, thus denying Jewish victims any superior victim status over non-Jewish victims.

Our fundamental disagreement about WWII, Hitler and Jews

Likewise, it is BECAUSE Russians have zero sense of guilt towards Jews, that Putin could mention this figure of 80-85% of Jews in the first Bolshevik regime in front of an assembly of Haredi rabbis (see the video here for yourself:

Can you imagine Merkel or Trump daring to say these things in front of such an audience?

Unthinkable!

Conclusion three:

Ever since Vladimir Putin came to power, Russia has been gradually and steadily separating herself from the collective West. This process is not so much about being “against” the West as it is about being “different” from the West, but unapologetically so! This is especially visible in the nature and quality of the political discourse in Russia which is truly dramatically different from the kind of hyper-controlled (and, of course, hyper-manipulated) political discourse in the West. Simply put, Russians live in a much more open and diverse intellectual landscape than their western neighbors. As a result, it would be a major mistake to assume, for example, that Russian patriots hold views similar to those held by western nationalists. Hence the existence of what we could call “Our fundamental disagreement about WWII, Hitler, Jews and race”.

The Saker

 
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  1. Smith says:

    If you follow jews, you lose. Simple as.

    Even Putin’s most unpopular moves are done by pleasing jews (muh Holohoax forums in Israel, muh arms and trade with Israel).

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  2. freddiex says:

    holy cow, russians are pretty stupid if they have a bond with their communist genociders and jew oligarchs who raped Russia with yeltsin. one of many differences between hitler and putin is hitler recognized jewish cultural subversion. putin lets jewlliwood and talmudvision shows, rap, etc in. give it one more generation and russia will be just like usa.

    not sure they bonded as much as brainwashed by their chosen

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  3. keithjon says:

    ungrateful poles , they should thank russian shabas goim for the Katyn massacre , same goes for ukranians starved by jew russian komissars

  4. Tusk says:

    I would like to remind all those who nowadays try very hard to forget it, that the Nazi ideology characterizes both Russians and Ukrainians as subhumans (Untermensch) whose sole purpose would be to serve their Aryan master race overlords (Herrenvolk)

    Totally wrong and pure propaganda.

    The simple reason for is that Hitler, and perhaps most other National Socialists, almost never used the term. In searching through thousands of pages of Hitler’s books, speeches, and private conversations (all now conveniently available in PDF format, typically available on websites maintained by faithful National Socialists), I have found exactly four mentions of Untermensch and its derivatives (especially Untermenschentum or subhumanity).

    https://www.counter-currents.com/2016/03/hitler-vs-the-untermenschen-myth-reality/

    If people can provide examples of Nazi party officials using the term untermensch in official documentation I would love to see it.

    See also: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12690&p=93475&hilit

    I will quote a fantastic comment by Nigel Endeavour that destroys this lie. The following is copied from his comment #734 at https://www.unz.com/article/evidence-for-the-german-euthanasia-program-compared-to-the-holocaust/?showcomments#comments :

    “There was no National Socialist ‘subhuman’ policy or program metered out ideologically. And to claim it literally meant ‘not human’ would just be absurd.

    ‘subhuman’ it’s most likely applied to a temperament, or adherent to particular ideology. This is clear in all of the example in the counter-currents link I gave you. In none of them could it be interpreted as racial. ‘Subhuman’ is essentially the old fashioned way of how we would call a pedofile ‘subhuman’ or that he committed an act that’s ‘not human’. It isn’t literal, nor scientific.

    In that quote itself he’s very clearly talk about the people who hold ‘human’ ideals over those who espouse Jewish Bolsheviks ‘subhuman’ ideals. What indication is there of this being a racial remark? And if so, how is it important?

    Otto Ernst Remer admitted that this language wasn’t used http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v10/v10p108_Schoeman.html

    I think a good example would be how Hitler called Otto Strasser a ‘white Jew’. No doubt strasser would be considered ‘subhuman’. Not racially, but for holding ‘subhuman’ views which Hitler deemed to be ‘pure marxism’ (Hitler, Volker Ullrich, pp. 228)

    […]

    No better example of this selective bias exists anywhere else than in the Third Reichs ‘Der Untermensch’ propaganda piece. You froth at the mouth for such pieces of dirt. However, for some reason, you don’t merely dismiss this one as a piece of ‘propaganda’ made for a purpose. You instead accept it as some kind of absolutist National Socialist text on how people are to perceive the Slavs!

    See see over there! Der Untermensch! Der Untermensch! That proves the Nazis hated the Russians! All of a Sudden.

    However this isn’t true either. For one, it’s propaganda. It has a purpose much like the notorious anti-german racist propaganda metered out by the Soviets.

    Evans goes on to talk about the Ideology of National Socialist Propaganda concerning Jews. The National Socialists viewed Slavic people, i.e., Poles, Russians, Czechs, etc., as “Untermenschen” (lesser humans), who represented a danger to Germans only when lead by clever and ruthless Jews — as was allegedly the case with Bolshevism. But on their own they were considered primitive, backwards and passive. Thus they were expandable, but never a threat to the existence of Germans. Even in the closing years of the war, when National Socialist propaganda started to warn about Bolshevism as a danger to European culture, Slavs were always depicted as the helpers of international Jewry. The Slavs were a nuisance, but the Jews were a threat: the “Weltfeind” (enemy of the world).

    Comments: First, in his speech of 28 April 1939, Hitler spoke highly of the Czech people. As for the Untermenschen, here is what Hans Fritzsche stated at the IMT:

    “German propaganda, and under that I understand official German propaganda, did not even preach racial hatred. It only spoke about racial distinctions, and that is something quite different; but I will admit that there was a certain type of German propaganda which went beyond that and which did preach the clear-cut and primitive racial hatred[…]”[20]

    While the term Untermenschen was used, it was never officially sanctioned – Alfred Rosenberg confirmed this.[21] As for the anti Jewish propaganda, Evans relied on a book by Jeffrey Herf, “The Jewish Enemy”, who tried to make a case for “The Holocaust” via NS propaganda” and failed miserably. One wonders what all of this has to do with mass murder of Jews by poisonous gas! This ‘context’ is designed to lead the reader (via the power of suggestion and bias) to false conclusions. Assumptions are presented as though they are facts.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20171107210344/https://revblog.codoh.com/2011/02/the-latest-effort-to-combat-denial-i-e-holocaust-revisionism/

    And:

    “Respected reader, turn your attention to the fact that the above book [Editor note: Schattenfroh, Franz; Will and Race (1943)] was published, with the approval of the ideological high management of the Third Reich, even though Stalingrad and the Battle of the Kursk Salient had already concluded, and the situation at the fronts did not lend itself to good sentiments in the address of the Slavs. However, no Slavophobia is shown; supposedly it had a place in German political propaganda, but there was no [such] talk. That was a much later fabrication by the forgers of communist and liberal myth. The Third Reich did not struggle with Slavdom, but with the threat Bolshevism [posed] to the foundations of European Civilization. Incidentally, to this day, not one official German document from that time has been published, in which the Slavs are called a “race of sub-humans,” something which devoted warriors of antifascism like to broadcast. By “sub-humans,” in the anthropological sense of the word, Himmler’s department was referring to Bolshevik commissars, like Lev Mekhlis, and open racists like Ilya Ehrenburg, an instigator who hid behind the backs of Russian soldiers, shouting “Kill the Germans!”

    – Avdeyev, Vladimir; Raciology: The Science of the Hereditary Traits of Peoples, 2nd edition, 2007. p.77. Translated by Patrick Cloutier, 2011. PDF. Review 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Listen to a May 1 2015 interview on AFP between Patrick Cloutier and Dave Gahary on the book, Raciology.

    http://anoccasionalcomment.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-third-reich-and-hitler-on-slavs.html

    Himmler even stopped the pamphlet (http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/holoprelude/deruntermensch.html , my link – Tusk]

    On 16 September Himmler received the Russian general personally for talks. At the very beginning of the interview Vlasov raised the matter of Himmler’s theory of subhumans; the latter was evasive and immediately declared himself willing to have the brochure entitled “The Subhuman” that he had had circulated withdrawn (and indeed, Himmler did shortly after the issue an internal instruction for all propaganda against subhumans to be stopped).

    Longerich, Himmler, pp. 703

  5. Jewish supremacism may go into hibernation but it never dies. When the chance is ripe, it once again tries to gain total control of goy society.

    The very premise and foundational concept of Judaism is to gain world control over all of humanity. It’s baked into the cake of Jewish consciousness, and Jewish history selected for traits that remain tenaciously driven-toward-power/control.

    There are two ways to deal with this. Expel Jews or develop a counter-goy cultural mindset that is as powerful and forceful as Jewishness. Judaism empowered every Jewish individual as the holder of the Covenant. Russian Orthodox humbled Russian masses into humble sheeple whose purpose was to shut up and submit. Russians need a national covenant that informs the heart of every Russian.

    This is what goyim are up against:

    https://christiansfortruth.com/meet-the-jewish-billionaire-who-controls-the-media-and-opposition-parties-in-south-africa/

  6. neutral says:

    That Hitler’s demented racism

    Everything that is now happening in the world proves that Hitler was right. Unless you are happy with the white genocide that is happening now, there is no reasonable argument that proves that the enemies of Hitler were the “good guys”.

  7. Lot says:

    You’re a bit nuts, but great article.

    • Replies: @Pheasant
  8. Anonymous[174] • Disclaimer says:

    Slav/Eastern European countries are the most pro-Jew in the world. Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary and Russia are all extremely pro-Zionist, more so than most Western governments are.

    Many Eastern European countries are also making it easy for Jews to get citizenship, pandering to Jews seems to be a key policy of “right wing” civic nationalist Eastern European governments, they are pathetic.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    , @Paw
  9. Rahan says:

    Great article.

    I myself have had this discussion with some friends.
    If we divide Europe’s experience with Hitler into subgroups, we get something like this:
    1) Eastern Front A: Those who fought for basic ethnic survival
    2) Eastern Front B: Those who had their countries dissolved
    3) Western Front A: Those who got occupied and lost sovereignty and democracy
    4) Western Front B: Those who got bombed a bit
    5) Allies of Hitler and neutrals: to them he was simply a Big Man doing Big Things with lots of broken eggs for his omelet
    6) Overseas combatants, who were “saving democracy”.

    Now, it’s normal that the lived experience of the different groups produced different interpretations.
    a) To those who fought for sheer survival, Hitler is a top-tier cosmic evil.
    b) To those who lost their countries, Hitler is simply a classical evil imperialist.
    c) Those who got to keep their countries, but lost sovereignty and democracy, get to whine on the still lower level of “muh democracy” and being sore losers in a military sense.
    d) And to those who only got bombed a bit, or came from across the ocean to contribute—to them it’s all even more abstract.

    The “muh six gurillion” narrative was, in theory, a fine way to get the West, which only got the “19th century civilized duel” version of WWII, to accept the apocalyptic dimensions which the war had for others, without quite having to admit that Slavs are humans who have the right to their own socio-political systems.

    But once it became a stagnating censoring totalitarian cult, forbidding any investigation or criticism, it became super fragile, and yet super important. Because today’s GloboHomo system, both the insane and the normal bits of it, all depend on “us not being Hitler”, which in turn depends on “Hitler was evil”, which in turn depends on “six million Jews turned into lampshades”, instead of depending on his real evils.

    THIS is what makes today’s Western system super fragile, and THIS is what makes Hitler’s rising popularity so real. It all being based on bullcrap, instead on the real stuff. Must’ve looked like a good deal back in the Cold War 1 days, but now the fact of it being based on bullcrap is catching up fast.
    **
    Stalin and Mao may have higher bodycounts than Hitler, but there’s a crucial difference: Soviet Russia and Red China did all this TO THEMSELVES, while the Third Reich did it UNTO OTHERS.

    Huge difference.

    When Stalin gobbled up half of Europe after WWII, he behaved like a “normal imperial conqueror”—get rid of the top tier elites, bribe the second tier, impose own system, and after that basically leave them alone, as long as they toe the line. Even give them more freedoms than you have at the imperial center, to make the periphery less rebellion-prone.

    (And yes, in terms of Russian Empire territory, Poland also counted as “traditional Russian territory” and thus “unto themselves” in terms of massacres. When Stalin tried to take Finland and took half of Poland, this was an attempt to regain the lost pieces of the original Tsarist empire)
    **
    Lastly, concerning who inherited the Eastern Roman Empire: due to (understandable) Eurocentrism, people keep forgetting that half of the Roman Empire was to the south of the Med, and included North Africa and the Middle East.

    Thus, we’ve got four “inheritors”:
    1) West-north: Goths
    2) West-south: Arabs
    3) East-north: Slavs
    4) East-south: Turks

    Sure, there’s a great difference in who utilized how the inheritance, but the fact remains. And in the case of the Eastern Roman Empire, there are TWO inheritors today, both being whittled-down-to-the-core former imperial centers: Russia and Turkey.

    Both are inheritors of Constantinople.

    • Thanks: Meimou
  10. susank says:

    this statement that russians bonded with the jews because of joint suffering is the most idiotic ive heard on unz. sounds like Stockholm syndrome, russians suffered because they were foot soldiers for genocidal judeo communist. their keeping that 5th column in russia will be their relapse sometime in the future into another dystopia.

    i also dont think saker is the voice of russians, he is a florida retiree keyboard strategist!
    met 2 white russians who fled communism and they didnt have this bonding b.s.

    • Agree: Dannyboy
    • Replies: @big dan
    , @refl
    , @Cleburne
  11. We might disagree about WWII: we must agree about WWIII – avoid it. Although the portents are not encouraging.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

  12. Beware the author has an axe to grind against the Catholic Church and the Pope, which he seems to believe have been historically manipulating Poles and others against Russians and Orthodox Christians. This is what he means by “Latin masters”.

    IMO, most of us in the West and, particularly, in historically Catholic countries, are unaware of the religious backdrop of this feud. Which is hard to explain if it were actually fundamentally religious as the author purports elsewhere in his writings.

    I can confidently say that I’ve never read anything around here that portrayed Orthodox Christians or Russia as a threat to Catholicism, except specifically in regards to Communism.

  13. melpol says:

    History of the Ashkenazim in Eastern Europe has been negatively propagandized. They were a class of high achievers who were used and respected by European royalty. Most never attended a Synagogue but considered themselves members of a new age Jewish race. Malcontents often blamed the Ashkenazim for their misery. Ignorant mobs burnt some Ashkenazim homes in anger.
    But the well being of the Ashkenazim was never severely disturbed. Hitler attempted to murder the Ashkenazim and seize their wealth but he failed. Today the Ashkenazim have the highest standard of living in the world.

    • LOL: Crazy Horse, druid55
    • Troll: anarchyst, renfro
    • Replies: @Crazy Horse
  14. anarchyst says:

    The author repeats the old tired canard that “the poor jews” were innocent and “caught up” in German intolerance for jews in general.

    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    In fact, France, during WW2 had many jews who lived there throughout the war.

    French jews were never swept up in German “raids”, most living their lives in relative obscurity. Of course, due to their “jewishness” they were (and are) still eligible for “holocaust reparations” from the German government.

    • Disagree: Adrian
    • Replies: @Adrian
  15. Stalin implemented the two-year total mobilization plan prepared by Chief of the General Staff Boris Shaposhnikov at the August 19, 1939 Politburo meeting – just four days before signing the Soviet-German non-aggression pact, the one history has been rewritten to claim Hitler violated first.

    Throughout the 1920s and 1930s Stalin in his private speeches to the Politburo said that communism could not survive if only one country practiced it, and that building the Red Army into an invincible invasion force was necessary because Europeans would never willing submit to communist rule. It was his plan to supply Germany with food and arms to fight Britain and France, then sweep in and take all when the western powers had exhausted themselves fighting one another. But Germany’s unexpected early triumph over France and its attempts to compromise with England sabotaged the Soviet dictator’s plan.

    Germany struck the Soviet Union in 1941 because Stalin was assembling an invasion army 295 divisions strong on Europe’s eastern border. Caught in indefensible forward attack formations, millions of Red Army men were killed or captured in a matter of weeks in one of history’s greatest military routs. The Wehrmacht’s unprecedented success emboldened German leaders to believe it was now possible to eradicate Stalin’s murderous dictatorship once and for all. And over a million Russian POWs enlisted in the German army to drive the hated tyrant from Moscow.

    We’re told instead that Germany wantonly attacked the Soviets to colonize their land, but where exactly were these millions of German settlers going to come from in the summer of 1941? There was an acute labor shortage in Germany, to the extent that the government was trying to attract a million foreign workers to the Reich. The conflict with England was stalemated and a new war with an increasingly belligerent United States was clearly on the near horizon. In addition, after the defeat of Poland, Germany was actively resettling German pioneers in Posen and other German territory that had been illegally seized by the victorious allies in 1919 to create Poland (which had last been seen on a map as an independent state in 1795). Hitler estimated this project would take forty to fifty years to complete, quite exhausting the state’s limited resources for planned expansion.

    When the Red Army did counterattack, it was the largest orgy of murder, rape, and plunder seen in Europe since Attila the Hun. After their army surrendered at least another six million defenseless Germans died at Stalin’s command. Something like twelve to fourteen million ethnic Germans were expelled from eastern lands now claimed by Stalin for his own. Two to four million were killed en route. It was the greatest ethnic cleansing in European history, and the most censored out of popular memory, because if you knew about you might sympathize with Germans as if they were human beings like any other instead of the most evil monsters in movie history.

    • Troll: Daniel.I
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  16. Normally I read The Saker’s articles for valuable insights, and have always found him to be spot on.

    However, this: “Nazi ideology characterizes both Russians and Ukrainians as subhumans (Untermensch) whose sole purpose would be to serve their Aryan master race overlords (Herrenvolk) in the newly conquered living space (Lebensraum). Simply put: Hitler promised his followers that they would be very happy slave owners!”

    I’d like to see some evidence for this, please. I think you are confusing Hitler with Rabbi Ovadia Yosef.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @jsigur
  17. Anonymous[358] • Disclaimer says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    Servile pro-Jew rhetoric has become the default in Slavic nationalism nowadays. Signalling what a great nation and people Israel and Jews are is what Slavic proles expect from their “based” leaders.

  18. Sean says:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2008/04/genocide-loophole-jonah-goldberg/
    Russia’s lower house of parliament passed a resolution insisting that Josef Stalin’s man-made 1932-33 famine — called the Holodomor in Ukrainian — wasn’t genocide. … resolution indignantly states: “There is no historical proof that the famine was organized along ethnic lines.” It notes that victims included “different peoples and nationalities living largely in agricultural areas of the country.” Translation: We didn’t kill millions of farmers because they were Ukrainians; we killed millions of Ukrainians because they were farmers. And that’s all it takes to be acquitted of genocide.

    The Ukrainian famine was entirely deliberate and designed to kill off those who were eating up the surplus. Nazis saw the Soviet liquidation of useless eaters of the surplus in rural areas as the logical outcome of a correct economic analysis of rural overpopulation. The Nazis thought the Soviets had shown the way the East could develop. For German economists was the East was not only suffering to many people living on the land and consuming everything that was produced but but a burgeoning and increasingly impoverished Jewish minority that had outgrown its niche of occupying trades and peddling that had already blocked the upward mobility of the rural population and the retarded the development of an indigenous middle class. The Poles wanted the Jews to emigrate, but few did.

    Poles … rarely attack anybody unless their prospective victim is already agonizing or unless there is some “big guy” protecting them

    As late as 1939 Hitler wanted to attack the USSR, but Poland would not agree so Hitler made a pact with Stalin to divide Poland between them. The Soviets then killed more people in their part of Poland than the Nazis did in theirs. Truly, no good deed goes unpunished.

    • Replies: @barr
    , @John Johnson
  19. “However, when the EU declares in a solemn vote that Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were both equally responsible for WWII, then a fundamental red line is crossed,…”

    Yes and that line is crossed (as you admonish) by again ignoring history. WWII was obviously caused by WWI and the greed of the Western victors and leading Zionists who after that war ground down Germany to a point of less than bankruptcy and paved the way for a leader who would lift the nation and its people to new found prosperity.

    • Agree: bluedog
    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
  20. nsa says:
    @freddiex

    “jew oligarchs who raped Russia with yeltsin”
    In the early 1990s, the (west) parachuted Jeff Sachs and his IMF jooboys into the former USSR to install a western style democracy….the word “democracy” meaning the jew and his useful idiots run and loot it. They developed a clever chit system for dividing up the resources of the former USSR. Surprise, surprise, jews ended up with most the chits i.e. resources of the former USSR. 16 time zones is a lot of resources to loot, but where easy money is to be had…..the jew is usually up to the task. This looting could not have been accomplished without the connivance of the local traitorous jews making up a large portion of the nomenklature in the USSR of the late 1980s. To this day, Russia is in the clutches of the jew…..but at least trying to free itself, unlike North America which revels in grovelling before the jew. Ask any non-jew Russian about the pernicious jew in Russia, and you will get quite an earful.

    • Agree: druid55
    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  21. melpol says:

    Faulty thinkers who are trying to excise Jews from the essence of Capitalism are doomed to failure. Jewish characteristics are contained within Capitalism and they are its personification. Capitalism is a Jew and a Jew is Capitalism. It also means that all people beneath their façade are Capitalists, and all people are really Jews. Shalom my friends.

    • Replies: @druid55
  22. @neutral

    A quite consensual and mostly non-violent white genocide that most Western whites are perfectly fine with, versus violent and decidedly non-consensual genocides against certain subsets of the white race in service of Germanic supremacism. You are very free to think that Hitler did nothing wrong, but you then probably shouldn’t expect much in the way of support from Russians and Poles (who ofc otherwise have their own major arguments with each other).

  23. Truth3 says:

    The Saker is wrong again.

    Patriotism is a danger, Nationalism is not.

    Patriotism loves the construct. Nationalism loves the reality.

    Constructs always deconstruct. Reality always will survive.

    Nationalism is Family.

    Patriotism is Gangs.

    See where supposed Patriotism has gotten the USA into? Wars for Israel, fought by white black and brown slaves to the Jews.

    Saker, go get a job writing for Аргументы и факты.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
  24. barr says:
    @Sean

    1934 = Mutually assured Non-Aggression Pact Germany-Poland is signed for 10 year period.
    • 1935 = During a visit to Warsaw H. Goering, appointed by Hitler to lead and groom a warming German-Polish relationship, proposes to his hosts to join in a “probable” future expansion to the East promising them a part of Soviet Ukraine as a war trophy /1/.

    • 1938 = March 17th: Encouraged by the success of its ally, Poland presents Lithuania with an ultimatum,
    • 1938 = Sept. 19th: The Polish Government expresses its agreement with Hitler’s opinion

    • 1938 = Sept. 21st:
    Large border conflict is provoked in the early morning hours at the German-Czech border.
    Poland presents Czechoslovakia with a demand
    Polish airplane routinely violate Czechoslovak air space. The real news is scarcely reported abroad, except for “Pravda” in the Soviet Union /2/11.
    • 1938 = Sept. 29th:
    1. The infamous Munich conference begins, in rather peculiar manner: the high representatives of the four Central European Powers deliberate, in the presence of other nations’ observers, but the party whose fate is being discussed and decided upon
    • Sudetenland is to be annexed by Germany starting on Oct. 1st and to be completed by Oct. 10th; within 3 months Czechoslovakia is to give up its lands on which claims are laid by Poland and Hungary, and to submit to their demands for annexation— he phase of real actions:[13]
    • 1938 = Sept. 30th:
    • 1. By 01:00h the Munich Agreement is signed– Czechoslovakia is to give up its lands on which claims are laid by Poland and Hungary, and to submit to their demands for annexation


    https://www.globalresearch.ca/truth-80-years-beginning-wwii-october-1938/5690808

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  25. Just my 2-cents here…

    One, it is ludicrous to think that the USSR actually started WWII considering that Russia did not get militarily involved until the middle of 1941 when Germany invaded. That being said, there is growing evidence that Germany had every right to invade the USSR preemptively as Stalin was on the cusp of not only invading Germany herself but was planning on rolling over the entirety of Western Europe.

    Two, no manner of historical research can change the fact that the USSR was a brutal, sadistic regime and encouraged its armies to act the same when attacking their enemies. This very ethos played itself out in the brutality leveled against German civilians when the USSR entered Germany.

    Three, Bolshevism, then and now, is and was a cancer and was one of the prime reasons that turned Germany into a stead fast enemy of the USSR. Had Bolshevik provocoteurs not tried to turn Germany into yet another USSR satellite after 1919 (as they did with Hungary, which was the prime catalyst for such disgust inside Germany at the time), things may have been different between the two nations.

    Four, President Putin is not perfect but I highly doubt that with the success he has had on the international stage along with the policies he has tried to promote that he is some type of friend with Israel or the Zionists.

    President Putin is a highly educated and intelligent man and is natural long-term strategic thinker. Thus, his relations with Israel and the international Jewish Community at this point are somewhat forced on him. This is not because the Jews have some type of hold over him as so many have suggested but instead due to the fact that Israel and the Jews are provided cover by the United States as well as their many super wealthy patrons.

    And unless he wants to go to war with the US and Israel, something he has been trying to studiously avoid, he has to plan his tactics very carefully. President Putin is quite aware of the role that Jewish Bolshevism has played in the USSR’s past. He is very aware of the extreme dangers that Jewish wealth pose to Russia and countries around the world as a result of US support.

    How would anyone here act any different when playing for time in order to secure a long-term defeat of this perniciousness in our world? I doubt that anyone could come up with a better strategy.

    All this will eventually end, no matter who or what claims that it won’t. The Jewish hold over the US federal government and their infestations at numerous state levels will all come to an end at some point since they are providing the same grist for cultural revolution in the United States as they did in Weimar Germany.

    We only can hope that when the fall comes it is not in the guise of mushroom clouds over our cities…

  26. @Sean

    As late as 1939 Hitler wanted to attack the USSR, but Poland would not agree so Hitler made a pact with Stalin to divide Poland between them. The Soviets then killed more people in their part of Poland than the Nazis did in theirs. Truly, no good deed goes unpunished.

    You didn’t mention the part of Poland not wanting to becoming a satellite state.

    Hitler didn’t need Poland to attack the USSR. It would have been useful if they aligned but Germany but wasn’t strategically required.

    The truth is that Hitler wanted to eliminate Poland and take their land.

    That is why Warsaw was bombed so heavily. The Nazi command discussed turning it into a lake.

    Saving European countries from the Jews and Communism by indiscriminate bombing. What a swell guy.

    Half of our problems today come from that psychopath.

    • Replies: @Sean
  27. Anonymous[762] • Disclaimer says:

    …the West is a much bigger danger to the Russian civilizational realm than any anti-Russian plans concocted by Jews…

    Except that the Jews have concocted those dangerous (((Western))) plans, Saker.

    Iran is in the cross-hairs for the greater Israel project and Russia/China for the (((NWO))).

  28. I wish that I could never again hear the word Jew, read the word Jew or even know that Jews exist. I feel the same way about dinosaurs.

  29. @neutral

    Everything that is now happening in the world proves that Hitler was right. Unless you are happy with the white genocide that is happening now, there is no reasonable argument that proves that the enemies of Hitler were the “good guys”.

    What was right about bombing Poland? Do you realize the Germans killed Poles that had fought communists?

    Hitler completely ignored how the Poles had fought off the communists after WWI.

    How would you like to have risked your life fighting communists only to be sent to a camp by the great anti-communist dictator?

    Hitler was not right. If he was truly motivated to stop communism then he never would have invaded Poland. His obsession with the Jews was downright stupid. Instead of focusing on communist leaders he was spending resources trying to track down every Jewish baker and shoe salesmen. Idiot.

  30. Alfred says:

    I am in no doubt that Russia has in its archives ample evidence that can blow the official Holocaust story out of the water. After all, it is undeniable that it was the Soviet Army that liberated the “Death Camps”.

    The question is why is Russia so reluctant to release these archives? What are they getting in return?

    It is not as though it is protecting them in any way from the Jewish-controlled media. For me, that is a great mystery.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  31. obvious says:
    @Priss Factor

    Except that all of your nations are profoundly fake. This is the problem with “goy consciousness”, it is artificial and contrived, which is equally true of “Judaism”. Trying to set up a rivalry only backfires as usual, and this is foretold in Scripture without question.

    Do Not Usurp the Inheritance of Another. National Covenants are not “transferred” by appropriation, you will never *really* settle the land or have a real connection to the ground this way.

    Find a standard that is not merely “counter” or “contrary”, but values that are real and identified and practical, which means a way of life rooted in the soil. The nation springs from the spoils of work, not the other way around. This what Gentileism does- invent false consciousness by unstable and unmerited appropriation. “We can do that too!” No you can’t. “Gentile”= National aka Nationalism.

    That’s why Christianity was (in its day) a real and living force. If you had to think of anything that was authentically you, without inventing ties or claiming the work of others, would there be anything left?

  32. @Tusk

    National Socialist obsession with race has been severely played up by the victors according to the smattering of reading I’ve done. Did the Germans believe they as a group were better than other groups? Absolutely. BUt did they really want to take over the world and genocide all the ‘subhumans’? I don’t think so.

    Here are some excerpts from speeches by Walter Groß, head of the NSDAP Office of Racial Policy

    Man differs from man and race from race in this world.

    The others may not be better or worse, but they are different than we are, and because they are different than we are, there is a kind of wall between us that is part of the laws of life. That is the core of National Socialism’s racial thinking. Our goal is not to insult others, to say: “What a great guy I am!” Rather, we hold to the humble recognition that each healthy piece of life has its corner of the world, and its special tasks. This is just as true of humans as it is of plants and animals in all their multiplicity. We know that one type is no more valuable than another. But we also know that each variety of life has a right to existence only as long as it keeps itself pure and strong. Only when a tree bears the proper fruit does it have a right to live. Otherwise it will be cut down and destroyed. We do not know why things are the way they are, and it would be foolish to ask the reason. That is how things are. Our task is to humbly accept the laws that govern our human existence, and to accept the fact that we are born Germans in Germany, not as Chinese or Eskimos. That is not because of our virtues, nor it is our fault, nor was it our will. It was fate that came from above. We have no choice but to accept this fate and to develop the abilities that fate has given us according to necessity and law.

    https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/gross.htm

    Since peoples differ racially, each must follow its own nature, keeping it pure from physical or intellectual corruption.

    That is the great and essential conclusion that the National Socialist draws from an understanding of the racial teaching of science. Our common task will be to build a new age on this knowledge, and we believe and know that our future will then be happier because it will be based on foundations that are true.

    https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/gross2.htm

    Since we have learned to recognize and respect the physical and intellectual characteristics of the earth’s various races, we are free of the sick desire that sees no differences, or seeks to make everything the same in the political, cultural, and religious realms. We are conscious once again of our characteristics and want to care for and protect them because they are the natural way for us to live as a people and a nation. At the same time, we respect the characteristics of the earth’s other races, since we no longer want to want to subordinate them or force them to accept our ways of thinking and feeling as we once did, but are instead convinced that they, too, should live and act according to the laws of their blood.

    https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/gross3.htm

    In regard to untermensch, it was used in the manner of ‘degenerate’, as evidenced by the following statement by Goebbels from a 1936 speech warning of the dangers of Bolshevism

    subhumans exist in every people as a leavening agent

    Whatever the reality, it hasn’t stopped post-war Jewish propagandists from distorting and exaggerating these kinds of things, and most people now believe in this Nazi racial obsession meme.

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  33. GeeBee says:
    @Rahan

    ‘Stalin and Mao may have higher bodycounts than Hitler, but there’s a crucial difference: Soviet Russia and Red China did all this TO THEMSELVES, while the Third Reich did it UNTO OTHERS.’

    Your analysis, of course, depends on your unquestioning acceptance of warmed-over wartime anti-German propaganda. Those of us who have expended time and trouble to look into this understand that this is not a valid analytical methodology. That ‘history is written by the victors’ should be the watchword of all who rush in to comment, using ‘accepted truth’ (i.e. warmed-over propaganda) as their Platonic argument proceeding from ‘self-evident truths’.

    There is far more concrete evidence for Allied war-crimes, if not actual naked evil, than any such that might be laid at National Socialist Germany’s door. The body-count is very much a case of the boot being on the other foot. It is therefore dismally predictable, and not at all clever or persuasive, that people such as you trot out these ‘self-evident truths’ that in reality are at best little more than facile propaganda, and at worst, a wilful blindness towards an appreciation of who the real culprits in the tragic, unnecessary and indeed criminal undertaking we know as World War Two actually were. It takes real moral and intellectual courage to admit that one has been misled for most of one’s life. I served my country as an Officer in Her Majesty’s Regular Army. In my retirement I discover that my country, and its ‘allies’, fomented World War Two, to the absolute detriment of the entire Western world. It is not, I can assure you, a pleasant basis for a contented retirement.

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  34. Sean says:
    @John Johnson

    It was American capitalism inseparable from its Jewish component that Hitler saw as the mortal foe of Germany. Hitler was obsessed with the massive emigration of the best Germans that resulted in German Americans being used against their ancestral homeland in WW1. Hitler thought that the most valuable German blood would continue to hemorrhage across the ocean unless he conquered land in the East that could provide a lifestyle to rival what America continued to offer. Poland was never going to be that. The real prize was the Soviet Union, and if Hitler could fight it alone the result was a forgone conclusion (it was only his order to stop for two months in from of Smelesk that denied Von Bock the chance to smash the bulk of the Soviet Army). Failure to follow up Army Goup Centre’s sucess in a timely manner was was an error fatal for Hitlers’a scheme and thus he was guilty in his own terms.

    https://www.unz.com/mhudson/the-history-of-debt-cancellation-and-austerity-in-europe/
    Michael Hudson [00:34:47] The bank models predict that Germany’s population must fall, living standards must fall by 20 or 30 percent and your lifespans must shorten, your suicide rates must go up and your skilled labor must emigrate in order for your real estate market to provide the revenue to the keep banking system solvent as private-sector debt increases at today’s rates. That will make your banking system look like the American and British banking system, where eighty percent of bank credit goes into real estate. It’s a circular flow, pushing up the price of housing, causing an umbrella for rents to go up. Germany will end up looking like Greece. That is the “business as usual” economic plan. Your economic leaders of all your parties except the Linke want Germany to end up looking like Greece.. They say that that’s progress, but it’s only progress for the banking class. This is the implicit war, which somehow is not being discussed in Germany

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    , @Alexandros
  35. Val says:

    Another example of the rampant disposition toward a pathological preoccupation with the past, in the world. … and an inability to carry on toward a viable future.

    • Replies: @Basehonoluluhaole
  36. Sean says:
    @Just passing through

    What? The Jews were shot? I hear it here for the first time.”

    As Aly and Heim show in their book Architects of Annihilation the top technocratic brains of Germany were trying make the East into an economically dynamic paradise for Germans on. They weren’t planning to kill off all the Poles and other conquered peoples immediately , like was being done with the Jews because they prevented the economic development of the gentile middle classes. Von Manstein approved as it would suppress partisan activity.

    Anyway certain peoples in the conquered territories that were thought suitable for Germanization in the new order were assessed, but not according to physical racial characteristics. No. it was ‘achievement orientation’ over a number of generations that the Germans were looking for. Economically successful upwardly mobile individuals and families in other words.

    • Replies: @Basehonoluluhaole
  37. @Steve Naidamast

    The USSR fought Japan in 1939.

    It conducted an armed invasion of Poland in 1939. It was a war with Finland 39/40. It annexed Moldova in 1940. It occupied Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia in 1940 by military occupation. All this arranged by the Molotov Ribbentrop pact with Nazi Germany.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  38. @Sean

    Do you what to give us a number on how many Jews were “kill off” by the Germans? And where these killings truly indiscriminate. Frankly for most of us this is all becoming very tiresome. Basically at this point I hate everything about Eastern Europe. But still hate the Jews the most.

  39. @Val

    Your comment is short, to the point and eminently sensible. Bravo!

  40. @Sean

    It was American capitalism inseparable from its Jewish component that Hitler saw as the mortal foe of Germany.

    No it was clear in his book and his actions that all Jews were the enemy. He viewed them as a racial enemy regardless of where they were.

    He needlessly wasted resources tracking down Jews across Europe that had nothing to do with Communism.

    In 1944 he rounded up the small Greek Jewish population and sent them to camps.

    So even when the war was clearly lost he was trying to kill as many Jews as possible, even in countries like Greece where the Jews were well integrated and had practically zero influence in political affairs.

    Hitler thought that the most valuable German blood would continue to hemorrhage across the ocean unless he conquered land in the East that could provide a lifestyle to rival what America continued to offer. Poland was never going to be that. The real prize was the Soviet Union

    He wanted Poland and the USSR. From a military point of view invading Poland was not required to invade the Soviet Union.

    He needlessly gambled that the Allies wouldn’t start a war over Poland. It was a stupid gamble since losing meant world war. Then he gambled he could make a deal with the British which didn’t work either.

    Hitler said his main enemy was the USSR and then carpet bombed a Christian anti-Communist country and split it with Stalin. The savior of Europe, coming to bomb your children.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Dani
    , @Irish Savant
  41. RJJCDA says:

    But…the very word “patriot” derives from:

    Greek patriōtēs, from patrios, of one’s fathers, from patēr, patr-, father; see pəter- in Indo-European roots.

    Implying that there is a genetic component.

  42. skopros says:

    Re the “turncoat” Russian General Andrei Vlasov, who created the “Russian Liberation Army” (ROA) fightng with the Wehrmacht, see “The Last Secret,” by British author Nicholas Bethel, a harrowing tale of shameful forced repatriation by Allies of prisoners caught outside the Soviet Union. Stalin had them summarily slaughtered lest their exposure to the West “infect” Soviet society back in Russia.

  43. RJJCDA says:

    Stefan Molyneux has an axiom: “Diversity plus proximity equals conflict.”

    I think it is a mistake to take Russia’s unique experience (and others) and project it as indicating universal truths.

    • Replies: @Pheasant
  44. @Just passing through

    National Socialist obsession with race has been severely played up by the victors according to the smattering of reading I’ve done. Did the Germans believe they as a group were better than other groups? Absolutely. BUt did they really want to take over the world and genocide all the ‘subhumans’? I don’t think so.

    So did you not read about how German troops were given orders to show no mercy in the Eastern front because it was a racial war? There are plenty of letters sent back home from German troops describing their brutality if you think it is all propaganda. There are also plenty of quotes from Hitler himself.

    From Hitler’s Table talk:
    We’ll let the Russian towns fall to pieces – let them know just enough to understand our highway signs, so that they won’t get themselves run over by our vehicles! .. There is only duty: to Germanise this country by the immigration of Germans, and to look upon the natives as Redskins. I have no feelings about the idea of wiping out Kiev, Moscow or St. Petersburg

    • Replies: @jsigur
    , @sarz
  45. @John Johnson

    Hitler completely ignored how the Poles had fought off the communists after WWI.

    How would you like to have risked your life fighting communists only to be sent to a camp by the great anti-communist dictator?

    I suggest you stop reading the New York Times.
    Hitler didn’t ignore it at all. The NSDAP was always about defeating the communist menace. After all, many of the NSDAP, including Hitler himself, had fought in the Freikorps against the communist overthrow of the Bavarian and Berlin Governments by the Bolshevik Jews Luxembourg and Liebknecht who declared them Soviet Republics.
    The NSDAP signed a non-aggression pact with Poland’s leader Pilsudski and was working towards settling territorial disputes peacefully. The attacks on ethnic Germans in Poland were reduced. After Pilsudski died his successor ignored Pilsudski’s advice to make peace with Germany. Germany gave up claims to a number of territories in order to work to that end. Pilsudski’s successor Smygli-Rydz refused any dialogue with Germany, ramped up the attacks on ethnic Germans, occupied Danzig, which was under the League of Nations mandate, and mobilized its army to attack Germany. When it comes to wars, nobody’s hands are clean, but the fact of the matter is peace was there to be had, Smygli-Rydz chose to ignore it.

  46. Sean says:

    Mein Kamp’s is political propaganda by him, I have read many books on him and I am a little way through Simms new one. I try to stay current, which is why I was citing the work of Rolf-Dieter Müller, whose thesis Simms mentions.

    He needlessly gambled that the Allies wouldn’t start a war over Poland.

    Before embarking on war he tried to co opt Poland for his attack on the Soviet Union because that would have prevented the British and French entering the war, but he found that Poland wasn’t interested. So he had to give up his dream of making Germany great, or go ahead and fight anyway. He fought, and almost won. As Stolfi convincingly shows, Hitler failed because instead of pushing his luck by going straight at Moscow in a timely fashion, he stopped for two months. He had no animus against the Jewish art shop owners he dealt with in Vienna. Hitler made special provision for his mother’s doctor and numerous WW1 regimental comrades who were Jewish to be protected and helped to emigrate. He wanted to swap German Jews for the Americans of German ancestry.

    So even when the war was clearly lost he was trying to kill as many Jews as possible

    According to The Psychopathic God by Waite, a war diary recorded that Hitler told one of his generals in November 1941 a final victory could no longer be attained. Why wouldn’t Hitler order the extermination of the Jews as revenge on an important part of the coalition that had defeated him? Might as well be hung for sheep as a lamb.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  47. The undeniable historical truth is that the centuries long occupation of the Russian eastern frontier lands by the Poles and their Latin masters created so much hatred between all the nationalities involved that it appears that every time they had a chance to try to persecute or kill each other, they immediately did so. Here area few examples of that kind of violence:

    The examples you give all post-date the partition of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth by the Russian, Prussian and Austrian Empires. The Commonwealth itself had much better religious tolerance than its successor states.

    It is also worth remembering that Kiev was a political centre for centuries before Moscow even existed, and Western Ukraine came under Muscovite rule only 200 years ago. Before then, the lands of “Great Russia” and “Small Russia” had never been unified.

    An example of a crucial geographical difference would be “pogroms” which, contrary to western propaganda, pogroms all took place in what would be the modern Ukraine today, never in Russia.

    It seems that you are just as confused as everybody else about the identity of these territories. Are they “Russian eastern frontier lands” whose rule by Poland was an “occupation”? Or are they something distinct from Russia?

    Before 1917, most Jews in the Russian Empire were confined to the “Pale of Settlement” – approximately the territory that had belonged to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. This is where the pogroms took place. They were part of the territory of the Russian Empire, and the countries now called Belarus and Ukraine did not exist.

    It seems to me that most people reading these lines already know that the “collective West” aka the “AngloZionist Empire” is in terrible shape. Just look at the political chaos in the US, the UK, France, Germany and all the rest of the NATO/EU countries. The West is not only losing militarily and economically, it is also agonizing culturally, socially, morally and spiritually. Furthermore, that which we all used to think of as “western values” is now being replaced by some insipid “multiculturalism” which seems to pious euphemism for the obvious plan to erase pretty much all of the western historical and cultural legacy.

    This is true, except that the USA is still the world’s strongest most military power, by a large margin.

    Like all forms of persecution, this one is also resulting in an increasingly powerful case of ideological blowback: a very dangerous and toxic resurgence of both Fascism and National-Socialism.

    How could a person (Hitler) and an ideology (National-Socialism) be both declared uniquely evil AND, at the same time, undergo at least a partial rehabilitation in the same society?

    Because the idea of partial rehabilitation isn’t actually true. Anybody in the West who doesn’t agree with all the multi-culti nonsense is deemed to be “filled with hatred”, and anyone who opposes mass immigration from the Third World is declared to be “literally Hitler”. You must remember this when you read the Western media.

  48. I’m afraid that the NSDAP and WWII is your blind spot.
    Your comparison of the concentration camps, murder, and starvation to the Soviet gulag is just silly.
    The Red Cross inspected the concentration camps on a regular basis, including the camp inmate hospitals and recreational facilities. During those inspections, they met with inmates in private. There is no record of the Red Cross reporting the alleged atrocities. The fact that some guards and officers were executed for mistreatment of inmates is proof that the mistreatment was not policy. The camp record show the daily caloric intake of inmates. Meager, to be sure but about what the average German civilian was receiving. The starvation at the end of the war was due to no supply lines. All the roads and railways had been bombed. I will repeat for the umteenth time, the camps were not liberated. They were evacuated and abandoned. Inmates were given a choice of leaving with the guards. Those that chose to stay were free to leave. You can’t liberate people who are free to leave. The fact that many, who chose to leave with the guards, died, does not translate into the alleged “death march” of the official narrative.
    The Einsatzgruppen were charged with tackling the partisans. Under the Peace of Westphalia, the rules of war called for all combatants to be in uniform. Combatants not in uniform were spies, who could be shot. Those aiding and abetting spies were also considered spies, and therefore, could be shot. That is exactly what the Einsatzgruppen were doing. Partisans were not in uniform, and those who refused to co-operate in identifying the spies were executed in accordance with the Peace of Westphalia. Their actions became war crimes ex post facto.
    You can quote your American juror all you want, but his boss back at home in the US had this to say:

    “Jackson is away conducting his high grade lynching party in Nuremberg. I don’t mind what he does to the Nazis, but I hate to see the pretense that he is running a court and proceeding according to the common law. This is a little too sanctimonious a fraud to meet my old-fashioned ideas.”

    If the ultimate is “crime of aggression”, why weren’t Hungarians and Poles tried for their 1938 invasions of Czechoslovakia before Germany? Why weren’t the British tried for mining neutral Norwegian harbours, trying to invade it, then invading neutral Iceland? Why were the Germans tried for invading Poland, but the Soviets not tried for invading Poland, and why were the Soviets not tried for invading Finland and Romania?
    I am truly baffled by your non recognition of the fact that over 500,000 volunteers came from every country in Europe and some from North Africa and the Middle East to fight on the Eastern Front against the Soviets. Were all of the Dutch, Spaniards, Turks and Norwegians that came “anti-Semites”?
    WWII, like all wars, was an economic war. Britain and France were losing their markets to German goods that were cheaper and of better quality. It was the same in Asia regarding Japan, except the US had a vested interest as well. What was needed was an excuse, and the Poles took the French and British bait to provide that excuse. As for your sainted Soviet Union, the massive buildup on Germany’s border with defensive lines cut wasn’t for peaceful purposes. In your book, the Germans should have waited for the attack and been steamrolled, rather than have committed the “crime of aggression”.

    • Agree: Tusk
    • Thanks: nokangaroos
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  49. @Rahan

    In fact, the Turks are the true genetic and cultural inheritors of Romans. Russians are in a way the impostors with no direct lineage.

    The mosques are all copies of Hagia Sophia with minarets. The Turkish baths are Roman baths. Most of the Eastern Roman territory was regained by the Turks. The Sultan kept the Kaiser de Rum title.

  50. Failure by the Russians to release to the world all of the documentation they have disproving the myths of the holocaust, will be at their peril, our peril, and most likely the rest of the world’s as well.

    It seems obvious that American Jews will do everything possible to keep American gentiles in the dark about the myths the Jews have rammed down the gentiles’ throats.

    Those of us who long have wanted to stop the mad American doctrine of world hegemony, and who vehemently disagree with it, can not rouse our fellow countrymen to our side if we have no solid proof that the lies are lies.

  51. @Curmudgeon

    I suggest you stop reading the New York Times.

    Is that how it is in your world? If you question the Unz Historical Blaming Jews Society you must be a tofu eating leftist that reads liberal garbage like the times? I’d probably get banned in a week if I had an account there.

    Hitler didn’t ignore it at all. The NSDAP was always about defeating the communist menace.

    Bombing Poles that fought communists and then letting Stalin have half the country would not be actions that support defeating the communist menace.

    Hitler could have
    1: Gone through Romania
    2: Taken a small slice of Poland to connect with East Prussia

    There was never a need to carpet bomb Warsaw or give half the country to Stalin. The Nazis are on record stating that they planned on turning Warsaw into rubble. In fact they shelled it on their retreat as well.

    The NSDAP signed a non-aggression pact with Poland’s leader Pilsudski and was working towards settling territorial disputes peacefully.

    So working peacefully includes a false flag operation and leveling cities with stuka bombers?

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    , @anon
  52. Rich says:

    It’s hard to get past the nonsense about Bandera and his people being “Ukronazis”. They were Ukrainian Nationalists seeking freedom from an oppressive Soviet dictatorship. Were the Finns “Finnazis” for battling the Soviets? Can we ever get past the nonsense of calling everyone a “Nazi”? This doesn’t influence anyone, except maybe a few old Jews in Kew Gardens.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  53. @Sean

    Mein Kamp’s is political propaganda by him

    Political propaganda? He stated exactly what he planned on doing.

    Before embarking on war he tried to co opt Poland for his attack on the Soviet Union because that would have prevented the British and French entering the war, but he found that Poland wasn’t interested. So he had to give up his dream of making Germany great, or go ahead and fight anyway.

    Yes Poland did not want to become a satellite state or open a front with the USSR.

    That still doesn’t meant that Hitler had no choice but to carpet bomb Warsaw.

    Hitler could have gone around Poland. Invading Poland was a terrible political gamble.

    He had no animus against the Jewish art shop owners he dealt with in Vienna. Hitler made special provision for his mother’s doctor and numerous WW1 regimental comrades who were Jewish to be protected and helped to emigrate.?

    That’s adorable. He gave less than 1% of Jews a get of camps free card. The psycho with a heart of gold.

    Hitler told one of his generals in November 1941 a final victory could no longer be attained. Why wouldn’t Hitler order the extermination of the Jews as revenge on an important part of the coalition that had defeated him?

    Why wouldn’t he needlessly kill Jews and German soldiers? Is that really your question? How about at least surrendering to the West to prevent Germans from being taken by the USSR? No he chose to go on his own killing spree until the very end. He never cared about Germans or anything but his own ego.

    Now we Whites have to live in his mess. The left has refined the art of White guilt from WWII. Thanks a bunch Hitler, idiot.

    Oh and getting rid of the Jews in Germany certainly didn’t take out the left there. Derr.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    , @Sean
  54. Yes, I know about Dostoevskii’s and Rozanov’s dislike for Jews (and Poles, by the way),

    Dostoevsky’s biographer characterizes his anti-Semitism as “guilty anti-Semitism.” That is, he knew it was wrong, he knew it was a sin but he indulged himself anyway. However, his faults will not keep me from holding Notes from Underground, Crime and Punishment, and the Brothers Karamazov as attaining to the heights of literary achievement.

    We need to be thankful that the Saker continually reminds us readers of the Unz Review that anti-Semitism is a sin, that Unz does not promote anti-Semitism, and that nationalism (but not patriotism) is also a sin. You still believe there are such things as sins, right?

    • Replies: @Tusk
    , @Seraphim
    , @Daniel.I
  55. Ian Smith says:

    Sometimes I agree with Saker, sometimes not. But every article comes down to: Russia good, Russian enemies bad.

    • Replies: @utu
  56. utu says:
    @Just passing through

    “But did they really want to take over the world and genocide all the ‘subhumans’? “ – And so here you constructed a straw man against which you argue. Then you excerpt something about Chinese and Eskimos against whom Nazis did not feel any animus so they could afford making charitable statement about them because in Nazi vision of the 1000 year Reich they did not seek for Lebensraum in China or Alaska.

    Our task is to humbly accept the laws that govern our human existence, and to accept the fact that we are born Germans in Germany, not as Chinese or Eskimos.

    But they planned to find the Lebensraum in Poland, Belarus, Ukraine and Russia. So perhaps you should look for policy documents from Race Relations Office of NSDPA concerning what they thought and planned for Russians, Poles and Ukrainians. For example Dr. Erhard Wetzel (the head of the Race-Political Office of the NSDAP) who actually did not talk about extermination directly but he wrote a lot about curtailing of birth rate proposing various programs which were being implemented in the occupied territories to reduce population. The memoranda he wrote in 1939, 1940 and 1942 concerning demographic policy with respect to Jews, Poles, Russian and Ukrainians with annotations of Martin Bormann were found after war. Actually reading these documents shows how German thinking and policies were evolving.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  57. utu says:
    @Ian Smith

    Saker can’t be taken serious. He is a child engaging in wishful thinking and wish fulfillment of his childhood fantasies. This perhaps might be understandable as he grew up in a milieu of White Russian emigres and a fatherless, iirc, family. He is an emotional man-child who engages in endless stream of rationalizations, twisting reality and justifications for the right cause in his mind, the cause of Russia, Mother Russia – the entity that only exists in childhood dreams that were fed by his mother, the entity that never existed even before the Bolshevik Revolution.

    This kind of fantasizing that is data poor but theory rich is something that Russians may have a proclivity for. It often amounts to casting the spells against reality.

    • Replies: @anon_382
    , @jerome_montreal
  58. Saker sinks to deeper depths of delusion. Russians are simply being duped by Jewry (just like goyim in the West). Russians don’t remember their history, and history itself has been heavily sanitized by the Soviets to remove everything that might provoke “anti-Semetism” and ethnic strife in general. So Polish and Banderite crimes are also mostly unknown.

  59. Anonymous[598] • Disclaimer says:
    @Smith

    Wow! The death camps were a hoax? How weak and fragile must someone be to be in denial about outright obvious hatred Hitler had toward Jews, Slav and anyone else that that ignorant and distorted mental case German racist (primitive tribal fanatic) decided to demonize. When you have Nazis themselves admitting that the death camps existed and their intent was to kill as many of the inmates as possible through both direct and indirect means denial is a clear signs of cowardice and weakness.

    Now I admit that Saker does come across as a typical overseas diaspora immigrant romanticising his “homeland” and casting his culture in a ridiculously idealistic way. For instance he makes a ridiculous claim that Russian culture doesn’t contain any racial or racialist basis in its history: that is plainly a ridiculous claim by someone someone who does not live in Russia and therefore is not really qualified to make that judgement. I’m sure Central Asian workers in Russia that have been the subject of brutal Russian beatings murder and violence would differ with this Tsarist Russian wannabe’s foolish characterization of the lack of racism in Russian culture.

    The sad thing for Saker is that his blog continues to go downhill because he has surrounded himself with acolytes (some of his moderators allow absolutely not criticism of him or his holy cows). The moderation quality ranges from idiotic and emotional to profession depending on who is on shift. Just go to his blog and see how much fawning there is there and the very weak criticism.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
    , @Smith
  60. Tusk says:
    @Weston Waroda

    We need to be thankful that the Saker continually reminds us readers of the Unz Review that anti-Semitism is a sin, that Unz does not promote anti-Semitism, and that nationalism (but not patriotism) is also a sin. You still believe there are such things as sins, right?

    I sure hope this is a satire comment.

    It’s not a sin to dislike Jews anymore than it’s a sin to dislike apples. Dostoevsky is free to dislike Jews as much as he wants, and considering he never harmed a Jew at all to imply he is “guilty” for simply having a different opinion from Jews and jew lovers is ridiculous.

    One doesn’t have to like everything in the world and to even expect that of people is pure folly. Anti-Semitism these days is equated to a wide arrangement of offences, from criticising Israel and noting their influence on politics, to criticising Jewish overrepresenation in numerous fields. Perhaps it’s anti-Semitic of me to want to ban circumcision, a disgusting ancient desert rite that has nothing to do with the modern world, but I guess that’s a hate crime for trying to stop their ‘freedom of religion’ to abuse children.

    Anti-Semitism is an opinion and an opinion isn’t sin. It would be a crime, and perhaps a sin, if I was to go out and pogrom some Jews. But nobody here is advocating for that at all. Why is wanting to be free of Jews a sin? Why are Jews de facto part of your society and you can never remove them? Once again this is total idiocy. Only the Jews have the right to not be criticised and be part of your state, whereas you are banned from their ethno-state and to even want to go there could be seen as an ‘invasion’ as foreigners try to undermine their sovereignty.

    • Agree: davidgmillsatty, sarz
  61. A column much superior to many of the comments. Enjoy the vineyard!

    • Replies: @Kiza
  62. Seraphim says:
    @Weston Waroda

    The truth is that, if you read Dostoevsky and not his (presumably Jewish) biographer(s), he didn’t feel any guilt about his feelings about the Jews. He knew (as we do) that he was right (and history tragically proved him right hundred times over). And the Jews know that he was right as well, but they can’t get over it.

  63. Seraphim says:
    @Rich

    That foaming at the mouth about ‘Banderastan’, ‘Ukronazis’ is a means to divert attention from the fact that Ukraine is in firm control of the Zionazis! It is impossible to believe that the Saker, who is an above average intelligent and informed person, is not aware of the real situation. But, as he says: “The topic of Russians and Jews is clearly a “hot” one”. A too hot potato that must be handled with kid gloves.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  64. @John Johnson

    The lies and strawpersons are getting old.

    As long as Pilsudski (who knew from experience who the problem was) lived, relations were cordial. Even afterwards … read Hitler´s peace offers in the original and see if you can find fault.
    The Poles outnumbered and outgunned the part of the Wehrmacht that could be spared against them, so they got cocky.
    All the Polish gaslighting is geared to diverting from the fact they are squatting on most of East Germany – the result of deliberate (((Bolshevik))) policy:
    – Exterminate the intelligentsia – first at Katyn and then by purposely dragging their feet while the Home Army was slaughtered (much as they did in Romania, Yugoslavia and Hungary).
    – Move Poland to the west to forever make German-Polish reconciliation impossible
    (of course the 1.5M massacred civilians were just retribution for the Unspeakably Bad ™ Nazis carpet-bombing Warszaw with leaflets).

    CUI BONO?!

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  65. @John Johnson

    Well actually …

    the stated purpose of the “Gesetz zum Schutze des deutschen Volkes und der deutschen Ehre” (“Nuremberg Race Laws”) was to remove communist influence from fields “in the public interest” (i.e. media, academia and public service), and the follow-on reports were ecstatic (Joe McCarthy should have taken a clue 😛 ).
    Jewish front-line fighters (not “Hitler´s regimental buddies”), of whom there were a disproportionate number (!), were exempt from the provisions.

    It worked – and with a lot less fuss and indignity than
    the Good Senator from Wisconsin ™ 😀

  66. @Seraphim

    Aah-men!

    Whatever one may think of the scions of Bandera and Sconprynka, they will not stoop so low as to supply death squads to the genitally mutilated regime in Kiew … they have not forgotten the NKVD prison in Lemberg (and if they were recruiting in the circles insinuated, I´d have heard about it 😛 ).
    The False Flag is even more pathetically transparent than the Boston Tea Party.

    – I often agree with the Saker´s analysis, but lately …
    So the Shids have at long last gotten to Putin; Epstein? Pee tape? Not that it matters …
    my take is he tried to do the reasonable and honorable thing but was rebuffed by (((Berlin))).

  67. Sean says:
    @John Johnson

    Mein Kampf talks about Russia and its vassal states, nothing about conquering Poland. Hitler was thinking in terms of a continental economy. Stalin wanted Poland, that the Poles surely knew. Hitler put the nitro to Warsaw after he gave Poland a choice to come in with him of face the consequences. Poland really benefited from its principled stand and naive belief that it could play Soviet Germany off against Soviet Russia.

    Hitler won the Iron Cross 2nd class rather quickly and then he became one of the very few private soldiers in WW1 to win the Iron Cross 1st class. He was inviting death. Later he became a politician.
    In 1941 Hitler publicly said all Jews would have to leave Germany after the war, it was only after it became clear he would lose that he ordered total extermination. Hitler thought the outcome of the war was uncertain but the prize of preventing emigration of the best blood by giving Germans an America lifestyle was worth it. To do that he needed a huge amount of good arable land like America had.

    How about at least surrendering to the West Now we Whites have to live in his mess. The left has refined the art of White guilt from WWII. Thanks a bunch Hitler, idiot.

    You are not seriously saying that Hitler is the cause of low white birthrates, mass immigration by non Europeans into the West, Jewish cultural influence, and internationalist elites selling their own countries out, are you?

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  68. @big dan

    big dan,

    No, but you could definitely say Vladimir Vysotsky is the voice of all russians.

    Except that Vladimir Vysotsky was a Jew himself.

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  69. I just don’t understand why the Soviet Union didn’t get a licence from Levis to manufacture blue jeans, or at least make their own pirated version – they might have saved themselves.

  70. @Curmudgeon

    That’s all beside the point. Hitler clearly stated in Mein Kampf that he indtended to colonise Eastern Europe and Russia, so resisting that colonisation by a bunch of foreigners was clearly the duty of every self-respecting citizen of those countries. All this talk that Nazi Germany invaded Russia as a self-defence measure or that it was fighting communism is just later justification but it can’t erase what was clearly written in that book. And Germany cannot stop meddling, it now wants to colonise Eastern Europe with its rapefugees and immigrants through the EU. Ah, those Germans are Europe’s misfortune.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  71. @utu

    “but he wrote a lot about curtailing of birth rate proposing various programs”

    iirc the stuff about propaganda for abortion in occupied Russia was more of a casual aside, not a coherent programme. But Wetzel did write a lot about Germanization of “racially valuable” Slavs and deportation of the rest to Siberia or somewhere else; at the very least he was proposing ethnic cleansing programmes of unprecedented scale (and he seems to have been a “moderate” compared to some at least in the SS). Whether those would have escalated to mass murder after a German victory like had happened with Jewish policy during 1940-1942 can never be known with certainty imo.
    Wetzel’s Generalplan Ost memoranda in the German original can be read here (article by Helmut Heiber starting on p. 281):
    https://www.ifz-muenchen.de/heftarchiv/1958_3.pdf

    Some attempts at the ethnic cleansing programmes were actually made during the war, notably Aktion Zamość in 1942/43:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing_of_Zamojszczyzna_by_Nazi_Germany
    There were also orders for the expulsion of all inhabitants from Crimea (marked for German colonization) in 1942, but those were halted due to military necessities.
    A previous commenter tried to claim Walter Groß wasn’t that extreme after all. I hadn’t heard of the man before, so I googled him, and actually he seems to have been a hardliner who in 1941 lobbied for treating “half-Jews” the same as “full” Jews. But such distortions aren’t surprising among the Unz commentariat.

    I still don’t have any sympathy for Saker’s demented anti-Western ramblings though. If he doesn’t make me exactly think that Hitler did nothing wrong, I’m sure beginning to wonder if the crusaders who sacked Constantinople in 1204 didn’t have a point.

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  72. @Anatoly Karlin

    After both having stolen so much German land, one expects Polish and Russian unity in this one question.

    Anything else would raise other, rather unpleasant questions.

    The Germans sheepily going along with this nonsense is a sight to behold.

  73. Truth3 says:
    @Steve Naidamast

    One, it is ludicrous to think that the USSR actually started WWII considering that Russia did not get militarily involved until the middle of 1941 when Germany invaded.

    Invasion of Eastern Poland 1939?

    Invasion of Finland 1939?

    Invasion of Baltic States 1940?

    Invasion of Bessarabia 1940?

    These are not military actions?

  74. iffen says:

    pogroms all took place in what would be the modern Ukraine today, never in Russia.

    Talk about propaganda beyond the pale.

  75. utu says:
    @German_reader

    The comment I was responding to was ridiculous which unfortunately was amplified by Ron Unz highlighting it. Wetzel did not advocate direct or indirect extermination (there is no paper trail for it) but he left enough documents that support the suprematist position.

    As far as Saker and Constantinople there is something to it. On Saker I commented in #59 where I almost did not allude to Eastern Orthodoxy but I did. Eastern Orthodox is anti-intellectual. That’s why some Russian writers like Saker seem to be so obtuse. They are conflicted and full of contradictions in their anti-West sentiments. There is also this potential for violence in Eastern Orthodoxy. Why Judeo-Bolsheviks succeeded in Russia? Because Russian were too meek or perhaps because they were too violent? What was the role of Orthodox priests in instigating the Volhynia massacre during WWII one of the ugliest events of WWII.

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    , @Seraphim
  76. @Anonymous

    QUOTE When you have Nazis themselves admitting that the death camps existed and their intent was to kill as many of the inmates as possible through both direct and indirect means END QUOTE

    That is a lie.

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  77. @utu

    Wetzel did not advocate direct or indirect extermination

    He knew about (and apparently approved of) the mass murder of the Jews though. In the Generalplan Ost memorandum I linked to, he wrote that such methods can’t be used to solve the Polish question, instead Poles should emigrate to Siberia or Brazil. But who knows if that position would have prevailed or something even more radical would have been implemented. In any case, his proposals clearly amounted to the abolition of Poland. Poles must have been really confused, as Saker tells us they were enthusiastic Nazis after all.

  78. Dutch Boy says:

    Speaking of WWII, Solzhenitsyn believed that Stalin was actually responsible for more deaths in the USSR than Hitler. The relentless purges, the use of penal battalions to wipe out unreliable troops, and the mass deportation of entire ethnic groups (e.g., the Chechens) to forbidding wastelands all caused many millions of deaths.

  79. @barr

    “Further, it has become self-evident to me that those frontier districts between Czechoslovakia and Germany where the Sudeten population is in an important majority should be given full right of self-determination at once. If some cession is inevitable, as I believe it to be, it is as well that it should be done promptly and without procrastination. There is real danger, even a danger of civil war, in the continuance of a state of uncertainty. Consequently there are very real reasons for a policy of immediate and drastic action. Any kind of plebiscite or referendum would, I believe, be a sheer formality in respect of these predominantly German areas. A very large majority of their inhabitants desire amalgamation with Germany. The inevitable delay involved in taking a plebiscite vote would only serve to excite popular feelings, with perhaps most dangerous results. I consider, therefore, that these frontier districts should at once be transferred from Czechoslovakia to Germany, and, further, that measures for their peaceful transfer, including the provision of safeguards for the population during the transfer period, should be arranged forthwith by agreement between the two Governments.”
    (Vide: Runciman Report No. 7, 1938.)
    Lord Runciman was sent to assess the issues. For those who may not be aware, David Irving uncovered the “Focus” group bribing Churchill. Czech President Benes was also paying Churchill. Churchill opposed “appeasement” despite Runciman’s report.

    • Thanks: Saggy
  80. Zumbuddi says:

    Thank.
    Very informative

  81. @Steve Naidamast

    One, it is ludicrous to think that the USSR actually started WWII

    They didn’t. WWII started with Britain and France declaring war on Germany on September 3, 1939, followed by France’s invasion of Germany on September 7, 1939. Germany successfully repelled the invasion, and asked for peace, which was refused.

  82. @Sean

    it was only after it became clear he would lose that he ordered total extermination.

    Would that be the extermination order that has never been found?

    Other than that, good comment.

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  83. anon[508] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    what have you got against tofu?
    ever try it with borsht?

  84. Anonymous[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    No it is not a lie yagoda, only a gutless coward would want to deny the atrocities of Nazis go read mein Kampf to get a view of Hitler’s simplistic mindset, subsahran African tribes like demonization of his enemies, his hilarious ignorance with respect to genetics and science and his malevolent intentions. But, besides that, we have the testimonial of the accountant of Auschwitz, a German officer who in safe retirement in West Germany, came out clearly in TV news interviews with facts and figures that verified the slaughter at the death camp he was at. For his honesty instead of being rewarded by Jewish victims and their supporters, he was vindicatively prosecuted and persecuted, in Germany, when he was over 90s years in age: that fact alone tells you he was telling the truth because he never backed down from his testimony. He called people who deny the killings by his nazi colleagues morons cowards and fools that don’t have the manhood (like he had) to face the truth. Why did I call his prosecution vindictive? Because had he stayed silent he would have died in peace. However, because he came out and supported the truth that the Germans had deliberately murdered the inmates of the death camps by the thousands and more, instead of being rewarded (at least left alone) by the Jewish diaspora, they demanded he be prosecuted because “he didn’t help the Jewish inmates of the death camps during his service at the camps and because he didn’t refuse to serve in the German military, even though he was drafted and didn’t have a choice in the matter.” In other words, they condemned him for not sacrificing his life and his family’s lives to save them. Yes, I’m not making this up, they expected him to die for them. He believes that one of the reasons he was persecuted was because he refused to toe the line that the victims were being gassed to death (because he didn’t witness that), but rather they were being killed by deliberate planned slow starvation, neglect, introduced disease (openly discussed by his fellow officers at the death camp) and outright murder by gunshots to the head (of mothers and babies) – which he did, personally, witness.

    The irony is that according to the standard set by the Nazis, most of current day Nazi supporters would be candidates for extermination or forced sterilization because their IQs would be below the threshold they required and the lack of mental health in most neo Nazis would also disqualify them to allow them to breed. I’m other words they’d meet the same fate as those idiotic brown shirts lead by the violent homosexual rapist Rohmer (Hitler’s thug).

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  85. @Anonymous

    I’ve read Mein Kampf. You have not, as anyone with an ounce of sense in their head would know based on your posts.

    And that doesn’t change the fact that you are outright lying.

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  86. big dan says:
    @Commentator Mike

    He was half jew, half russian. I doubt many russians would consider him a foreigner or some kind of enemy.

  87. @Truth3

    Good questions …
    expect no answers.

  88. I read to learn, but left dissatisfied. It does not fit my puzzle project at all.

    Who in the west has been stalling the English publication of Solzhenitsyn’s 200 Years Together? The Cuban Lobby? How do Russians feel about this group that vigorously blocks the world from reading this piece of Russian history? My impression is that for more than one hundred years now, at least when Russia was not run by Jews, much of the western antagonism towards Russia was driven by Jews.

    Russians might feel no guilt about World War 2, but that is very different from not deserving blame. Even if their only outrage was committing the Katyn Forest mass murder, that is no unfair albatross. That was an incredible atrocity against a people whom Russians were supposed to be rescuing from the Nazis. And how should the world remember and classify the white hot hatred propagated by Ilya Ehrenburg against Germany and all its people?

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p507_Weber.html

    Maybe the current Wikipedia stuff on the Holodomor is “pure propaganda”. But why was this Soviet state sponsored famine given so little attention by western press for so long? Now you have me thinking, maybe the Russian claim to so many casualties during WW2 was highly exaggerated?

    I would love to see a study that compares the strength of the forensic evidence used to arrive at these estimates of casualties (in the Jewish Holocaust, the Holodomor, and Russia’s “Twenty million killed”) in comparison to more recent mass murders like in Rwanda or Cambodia’s Filling Fields.

    I do not doubt that Russians are grateful that many Jewish spies and scientists gave them American military secrets. But is Russian memory so selective as to forget how in the 1990s Jewish oligarchs popped up out of nowhere and looted their country funneling out untold $ billions in assets? Perhaps this too was “short lived”, like Jewish supremacism in Russia (as Saker tells us). But does this mean the effects were small?

    Given these sorts of twists, the “bond forever” between Russians and Jews reminds me of how the pimp tenderly reassures his prostitutes in between given them black eyes.

    P.S. I wonder if FDR had offered the Soviet leadership all of Europe, rather than just half the that was given, would Stalin have turned it down?

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    , @S
  89. Truth3 says:
    @Anonymous

    But, besides that, we have the testimonial of the accountant of Auschwitz, a German officer who in safe retirement in West Germany, came out clearly in TV news interviews with facts and figures that verified the slaughter at the death camp he was at.

    Right…

    The same Oskar Groening that claimed the Jewish corpses were burned on grates in the forest at Auschwitz, and the Jewish men corpses had erect penises while they burned.

    Right…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  90. I agree but anti-semitism may have pissed him off more than a regular Russian, as the words of that song quoted in the English translation you linked to would indicate:

    Though under the law they’re officially villains
    They’ve got the support of fanatical millions.

  91. Anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    You are lying, you obviously have not read mein Kampf based on your comments and lack of detail. In addition, your attempt to change the subject indicates that you seem to be admitting that you’re too weak to face your country’s atrocities during the war.

    The fact is did you look up the testimony of German nazi officers that attest to what happened? Of course not because that require courage instead to resorting whining and victimhood as exhibited by various racial and sexual minority special interest groups.

  92. Anonymous[148] • Disclaimer says:
    @thotmonger

    I agree, Saker is attempting to suck up to very people he has excoriated over the years. Who knows maybe he received a sizable contribution toward his blog. Remember this is a guy who used to be a Reagan and Thatcher fan, worked against Serbia for NATO until he got the boot from supplying advice to NATO during the campaign against Serbia (due to some office politics and that he alluded to on his blog) and then he turned against them.

    At the very least Saker appears to undergoing an intelluctual contortionist act to try and explain Putin’s obvious admiration and soft approach to Israel and the Jewish community (note I do not criticise Putin at all for this, he has his own national interests and life experiences). Remember Putin recently called the polish ambassador to nazi Germany an anti-Semitic bastard, maybe that event scared Saker enough to prompt Saker to jump onto the bandwagon and reinvent his views to be in line with Putin, a man that his readers idealize.

    Now he claims hates American exceptionalism, (even though his hero was the most exceptionalist Ronald Reagan and even worse his respect for that putrid corrupt poodle, Margaret Thatcher).
    One would hope that he would maintain some consistency in his views.

    It’s becoming impossible to take him seriously anymore. This is a shame because he is gifted individual with valuable insights in theology and philosophy.

  93. Anonymous[148] • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth3

    Yes right that is correct and his description of the erect penises is medically correct, thats what happens when corpses burn, something he wouldn’t have known unless he witnessed it. Which only further underscores that he was telling the truth.

    Thank for buttressing my points.

    Well done!

  94. Sean says:
    @Curmudgeon

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reich_Chancellery_meeting_of_12_December_1941

    The announcement Hitler made on 12 December to the Reichsleiter and Gauleiter refers to an earlier statement he had made on 30 January 1939:

    If the world of international financial Jewry, both in and outside of Europe, should succeed in plunging the Nations into another world war, the result will not be the Bolshevization of the world and thus a victory for Judaism. The result will be the extermination of the Jewish race in Europe.[1]

    With the entry of Japan and the United States into the Second World War on 7 December 1941 and the resulting declaration of war on the US by Nazi Germany on 11 December […] Because the meeting took place in private rooms rather than Hitler’s office, no official record of it exists. However, entries in the diaries of Joseph Goebbels and Hans Frank confirm it.[3] Goebbels made the following entry in his diary for 12 December:

    Bezüglich der Judenfrage ist der Führer entschlossen, reinen Tisch zu machen. Er hat den Juden prophezeit, daß, wenn sie noch einmal einen Weltkrieg herbeiführen würden, sie dabei ihre Vernichtung erleben würden. Das ist keine Phrase gewesen. Der Weltkrieg ist da, die Vernichtung des Judentums muß die notwendige Folge sein.

    Regarding the Jewish Question, the Führer has decided to make a clean sweep. He prophesied to the Jews that, if they yet again brought about a world war, they would experience their own annihilation. That was not just a phrase. The world war is here, and the annihilation of the Jews must be the necessary consequence.

    Rosenberg also recorded the Fuhrer telling him at the meeting he was going to carry out the (30 January 1939) threat, and Rosenberg suggested he might stop making menacing references to it in speeches, to which Hitler agreed, It was not a threat any longer, but a policy in action. His own brother said Himmler would not have dared do anything without an order from Hitler, who by the way was never in the Freikorps.

    Significant that this was less than a week after Hitler declared war on America, which was the only declaration of war he ever made. Also, the day before Hitler had addressed the Reichstag on the decision to declare war on the U, and said reports of the Polish Ambassador in Washington, Count Jerzy Antoni Potocki, showed that the Poles had been encouraged to resist German demands in 1939 by the American government.

    After WW1, there were American troops in Rhenish Bavaria and Munich before the French and their colonials we hear so much about. Hitler was from a culturally Bavarian part of Austria and alway described himself as Bavarian. Bourgeois support for Nazis was won by being anti communist, but Hitler like many Germans was traumatised at Germany being colonised by the Anglo capitalists. Incidentally at the Reichstag , the day before he ordered the liquidation of all Jews in occupied Europe and Germany,, Hitler pointed to the Nye Committee of the US Senate apparent conclusion that American bankers had engineered US entry into WW1 in order to ensure Britain and France could repay their loans.

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  95. anon[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    But, besides that, we have the testimonial…

    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    And, besides that, we have the “testimonial” of these former residents of the Auschwitz holiday camp:

    Holohoax Survivors Who Tell The Truth

    Come back when you can provide us with more than just “testimonial”, circle boy.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  96. @Priss Factor

    This also a reply to @obvious:
    I will start with the Calendar.
    Jewish calendar numbers 5780 years to date.
    According to sservi.nasa.gov European finding on a bone by Marshock numbers a lunar calendar all the way to 32000 years a go.
    Serbian calendar 7528-9 was used till a lunatic Karadjordjevic with help from west founded Yugoslavia. Russians gave up on that calendar somewhat earlier. That was a solar calendar.
    One other thing that Russians gave up on was the original Orthodoxy. To put things in perspective, when Methodius went to Crimea in 10th century the locals gave him a bible that was written in language that “contemporary Greek and western science” calls Rosh and which is guarded by the Fanariotic Constantinople Church. So Cyrilo and Methodius couldn’t have given any language or lettering to the Slavs which Greek propaganda professes like parrots together with the west.
    As far as the Serbs and the Russians are concerned they both have a Saint named George which was a knight did not have anything to do with Christianity and the Dragon that is seen on the depictions is real and not a figment of imagination. Who reads between the lines will understand, who doesn’t you’re SOL.
    On a side note, Third letter in Slavic language is called what that is something else called in another related language on which a text named sankhya karika was written.

  97. @nokangaroos

    As long as Pilsudski (who knew from experience who the problem was) lived, relations were cordial. Even afterwards … read Hitler´s peace offers in the original and see if you can find fault.

    There were in fact reasonable and Poland should have let them build a corridor to Danzig.

    However that still didn’t mean that Hitler had to invade and carpet bomb their cities.

    If he simply took a small slice for the corridor I doubt the Allies would have backed Poland. In fact the French and British wanted Poland to compromise with Hitler over Danizg.

    He also could have gone through Romania which you don’t seem to deny.

    If Hitler was truly anti-Communist then he would have gone after Communists from the beginning.

    But his ego was the true cause which led to not only his downfall but a massive expansion of the USSR. The Poles bravely fought the Communists after WWI only to have Hitler and then the Allies feed them to the Soviets.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
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  98. Seraphim says:
    @utu

    Orthodoxy is far from ‘anti-intellectual’. Its notion of ‘nous’, the faculty of ‘intellection’ (the action or process of understanding as opposed to imagination), is larger than the ratiocinating ‘mind’ to which the Western philosophy reduced the ‘intellect’. It is the same ‘nous’ of Plato and Aristotle.
    The Bolsheviks succeeded in Russia not because of Russian ‘meekness’ and supposed ‘anti-intellectualism’, but because of the relentless terror exercised on all categories of Russians.

  99. @Anonymous

    Hhahahah!!! Hhahahaha!!! The more I study this “holocaust” religion, the more I am becoming convinced that it is the world’s longest running comedy.

    Earlier in multiple threads we discovered that Jews were inflammable, and would burst into flame when someone held a match to their toe. Or, as Ron Unz has pointed out, one of this research associates has assured us that Jews would spontaneously burst into flames and vanish like the Vampyres in the Blade movies.

    Now we learn that in spite of being gassed with cyanide, or torn apart by dogs with poison teeth, we are startled to discover that when you hold a match to a dead Jew he turns into a flaming Viagra commercial.

    Remarkable creatures, these Jews. Perhaps Ovadia Yosef was right when he said that Jews and Gentiles are nothing alike.

    • Replies: @SC Rebel
  100. a very dangerous and toxic resurgence of both Fascism and National-Socialism.

    But let us not impugn National Humanist Neo-Fascism, the only effective counterforce against gangster-fascism that rules the world today.

  101. @Anonymous

    Groener was not an officer to begin with.
    At the very least both of you should take the time to read the publicly available information about this sad case before starting a dicussion that is a waste of time to you participants and to onlookers alike.

  102. the Polish occupation of southern and eastern Russia

    „Occupation“ is such an ahistorical and ridiculous term in that context that there is no point in reading further. The author clearly has an ideological axe to grind and no interest in truth.

  103. Crazy Horse says: • Website
    @melpol

    You mean like the Rothschilds , the Red Mafia and those Carpet Baggers over in Palestine? Easy to have a “high standard” if one sets the standard of a usurious banking system designed for their own enrichment.

  104. However, when the EU declares in a solemn vote that Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were both equally responsible for WWII,

    ROTFL. While it’s true Stalin made a pact with Hitler to swallow Poland, it was the so-called democratic West that allowed Hitler to grow so powerful. From Stalin’s perspective, it would seem like the West was creating in Germany a Frankenstein Monster to use against the USSR. So, when Hitler made an offer to Stalin, of course he took it. Better to have Hitler on your side than against.

    From a purely moral viewpoint. Stalin shouldn’t joined Hitler in dividing and swallowing Poland. But such is the way of realpolitik.
    US sure had no qualms about making peace with crazy Maoist China to counter the USSR. After Vietnam occupied Cambodia, US and China worked together to back the Khmer Rouge against the Vietnamese.

    What is the US-Saudi Pact doing in Yemen? Hardly better.

    One thing for sure, WWIII, hot and cold that we see all around, is almost entirely the machination of Jewish supremacists.

  105. slorter says:

    Thanks for the information and further readings!

    Even if one read this and wanted to debate some of the aspects of history they would be well ahead of significant western populations who revel in the bosom on page two of a magazine or the sport section on the back of a newspaper!

  106. Whitewolf says:
    @neutral

    The so called “good guys” delivered half the people on the globe to communism which has killed more people in peacetime than even the Nazis were accused of during the war.

    The Russians who fought to save the Soviet system from the Nazis were rewarded with an iron curtain that made sure they couldn’t escape the worker’s paradise they fought hard to preserve. It’s hard to imagine the average Russian being worse off under Nazi rule back then.

  107. @Sherlockohms

    Even Churchill said as much in the 30s, before he changed sides yet again.

  108. Whitewolf says:
    @Dutch Boy

    Stalin was a leftist so his crimes aren’t really crimes. Just like today’s antifa retards anything goes if you support leftist causes.

    • Disagree: John Chuckman
  109. Adrian says:
    @anarchyst

    You wrote:

    France, during WW2 had many jews who lived there throughout the war.
    French jews were never swept up in German “raids”, most living their lives in relative obscurity.

    You might be right as far as France is concerned but the story is quite different for the Netherlands. There we had the at first sight paradoxical situation that the number of Jewish victims, both in percentages and absolute numbers, was the highest in Western Europe – and this in a country with probably the longest established Jewish population there and a very low degree of anti-semitism.

    It is also the country showing the only massive public protest against the persecution of the Jews on record (the February 1941 strike that was harshly suppressed by the Germans but led, according to the authors of the article below, to somewhat less conspicuous violence in the German methods).

    The authors of this article try to explain what caused the difference between France, Belgium and the Netherlands as far as the number of Jewish victims is concerned.

    https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-frank/go-in-depth/netherlands-greatest-number-jewish-victims-western-europe/

    I was a primary school child during the German occupation of the Netherlands and I was puzzled by the many signs in parks and other public places that read “Voor Joden Verboden” (prohibited to Jews). I was also puzzled by the small dark fellow wearing a David’s Star who came every week to our school to collect the pennies that we had saved. Why did he look so sad. Wasn’t that a nice job?

    Later I understood that he had probably been high up in the banking world he was now excluded from – plus, of course, the dim prospects he and his family had to face.

    This remark about the banking world shouldn’t suggest that that was typically Jewish terrain in Holland. In fact I think that Dutch Jewry was mainly proletarian or lower middle class. Many made a living as small vendors or, later, by jobs in diamond cutting.

    I remember Ron Unz saying that the Germans behaved in an impeccably disciplined way during the occupation in France. Well they were disciplined all right but terrible things can be done in a disciplined way.

    The way the German police rounded up Jews in Amsterdam was coincidentally witnessed by Henriette Hoffmann who happened to be on holiday there. She was the daughter of Hitler’s personal photographer and one-time friend Heinrich Hoffmann and then the wife of Baldur von Schirach, “Gauleiter” of Vienna and a former leader of the Hitler Youth.

    She was so shocked by what she saw that she undertook to protest to Hitler personally (she knew him quite well as a former house guest – he might even have dated her). I have read different accounts of Hitler’s reaction. One story has it that he said that thousands of his best soldiers were killed every day and that he couldn’t be bothered about a bunch of Jews. Another one makes him say something about sentimental goings on and leaving the room in an irritated fashion.

    Apparently she and her husband were never invited to the “Berghof” again.

    The Dutch were treated by the Germans much more leniently than the East Europeans but nevertheless bad enough. At the end of the war they had to cope with a famine in the West of Holland ( known as the “hunger winter”) deliberately engineered by the Germans in reaction to yet another railway strike.I remember that time of no food, no electricity, no heating, all too well.

    The paroxysm of joy when the Germans were forced to leave (by the Canadians) lasted for months. In reaction to the years of mutual suspicion and the clamping down on any form of association, neighborhood associations and neighborhood festivals sprang up all over the place.

    I remember a popular print of those days showing an emaciated old fellow saying to an obviously well fed Canadian soldier: “We could make do with the food but oh boy those Krauts”.

    Yes the author is quite right. Many innocent Jews were killed in those days. That doesn’t mean the nefarious activities of other Jews didn’t exist. They did and do.

    • Thanks: TKK
    • Replies: @Antares
    , @TKK
  110. jsigur says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    Russians are pretty brainwashed when it comes to NAZIS. Remember, all the winners claimed a holocaust which we now know didn’t happen. Why would we believe anything they afterwards claim. By the way, that also shows how much Russia in 1945 was still dominated by Jews (selling the JEWISH HOLOCAUST AS FACT)

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  111. Oracle says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Although it may look from the outside as if there is acquiescence to the white genocide, the targets of white genocide are not aware of white genocide. They are busy being good multiculturalists, feminists, gay and transgender people etc. If the phrase ‘white genocide’ reaches any of them, it is quickly swept under the carpet as a hoax. Most of them aren’t demographers.

  112. jsigur says:
    @John Johnson

    “Table Talk” was anti German made up propaganda. DO you really think Hitler would allow himself these many hours of leisure contemplation during a war they were starting to lose?

  113. Ghali says:

    My comment is not about historical events but about the author’s recommendation of Alexander Solzhenitsyn, “200 Years Together”. I want to say that it is a disgrace and missleading. Until his death, Solzhenitsyn did not know where he stood. He returned to Russia, because the Americans ignored him.

  114. jsigur says:
    @Sean

    reproduce that order please, oh, you’re just guessing, got [email protected]

    • Replies: @Sean
  115. NPleeze says:

    Saker’s chauvinism is so comprehensive it baffles the mind why any Westerner would follow his reasoning. Let’s just example this shining example, just because I couldn’t stomach reading past it:

    it still remains an undeniable fact that the Polish occupation of southern and eastern Russia (which is what “the Ukraine” is – Russia’s southeastern “borderland” which is what the word “Ukraine” originally meant)

    Basic premise: Russia is the Grand Duchy of Mosvovy, which it started as in the 16th Century (before that having been established as a client state of the Mongolian Empire, which dominated the region for CENTURIES – so you may as well argue, using your “logic”, that Moscow is a borderland of Mongolia that rightfully belongs to it). Before that it was the Kievan Rus, which were NOT dominated by Muscovites. EVERYTHING since has been imperial conquest. So Russia’s true southeastern “borderland” is … Obninsk.

    Face it, Saker, most people don’t want to live under the Muscovite boot – which still steps VERY HEAVILY ON ALL OF THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE (just compare the standard of living in Moscow with a city in Siberia where the inferior slav(e)s live and the point will become crystal clear) – any more than they want to live under the AngloZionist boot.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  116. Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s book “Deux siècles ensemble 1795 – 1995, Juifs et Russes”, is available in french at http:jean.de.peyrelongue.free.fr/jean.htm

    “I would like to remind all those who nowadays try very hard to forget it, that the Nazi ideology characterizes both Russians and Ukrainians as subhumans (Untermensch) whose sole purpose would be to serve their Aryan master race overlords (Herrenvolk) in the newly conquered living space (Lebensraum). Simply put: Hitler promised his followers that they would be very happy slave owners! It is no wonder that the prospective slaves felt otherwise…”

    Nobody can deny these paragraph. Yet Hitler when he was talking like this in 1941, 1942, was no different of UK versus India, or France and Belgium versus their African dominions, or the Dutch versus Indonesia. Like all the others european countries, Germany was searching for space to open opportunities to theirs citizens. Unfortunately for the Russian, Hitler thought that expansion to the detriment of the Russians was bettter for the Germans than to move to Africa or elsewhere.

    I am adding that I am convinced that Hitler did not want the war but he was trapped into it. He knew and expressed it before the war that :should a war with the URSS occured, the URSS would win it. His early succes against the French, the British and the Soviet armies gave him hope of success and this is when he starts dreaming about this expansion over the East.

    • Replies: @Nonny Mouse
  117. GGAllin says:
    @Priss Factor

    Seriously, it’s extremely interesting reading all these viewpoints and challenges as an American of Jewish heritage. Since I began earning over $20/hour late in life, I’m not nearly a billionaire. Have little to no influence other than if I write something in an online forum or Tweets.

    It’s weird to read about “me” as an existential threat, but it’s interesting to grasp the context, of past harms done by “my people” who I pretty much don’t know any other than immediate siblings. It makes more sense than “irrational hate”.

    I’m not a Bolshevik. I do believe in economic justice for workers, but that’s kinda universal without Bolshevism. I would never want to see anyone hurt – except if that person was hurting or killing others, as the “crime” pages on this site testify.

    I worked with ethnic Russians at a computer place. They were nice people, helped me learn. One young guy taught me a bunch of Russian swear words and pranked me into saying “harashow grodies” when the owner’s sister was walking nearby.

    I never read the Talmud.

    I can’t and won’t claim to *be* Christian but I do repeat The Lord’s Prayer frequently … ok, confess, in AA meetings where that’s the custom. I learned that Lord’s Prayer in my 20s. It’s a good prayer in terms of the ideas it contains, ideas which should be called “spiritual”, regardless of anyone’s belief or lack of belief in any “supernatural” entity. To the extent that “God” exists, that would be a natural aspect of being human, imo, not supernatural woo.

    Also, killing the Buddha on the road doesn’t literally mean murdering Prince Siddhartha.

    I’m sorry about all this shit that happened in human history before I crawled out of the womb. Not personally apologizing for wrongs I didn’t commit, but still feel terrible about the victims and I hope it isn’t repeated .. or rather, hope the repetition in future history is as minimal as it can possibly be.

    Thanks to everyone for being candid.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  118. “‘Our Fundamental Disagreement About WWII, Hitler, Jews and Race”

    Just the title represents several huge and diverse topics. How can they all be jumbled together?

    In fact, they cannot.

    This kind of piece shows “the Saker” at his worst.

    Here and there, he writes something worth reading, but I think, more often than not, he does not.

    • Replies: @Bookish1
  119. @Tusk

    A lady on Caroline Yaeger’s program (sorry I forgot her name) said she lived in Hitler’s Germany and then after the War moved to America. Said she never heard anyone talking about a ‘Master race’ until she got to America.

  120. Truth3 says:
    @Anonymous

    Only one way to find out… empirically.

    Have the Jew Anonymous 148 lay down on some rails, cover himself in gasoline, and light a match.

    If his Tallywhacker is hard after the first flame, then yes, the Holo-whatever needs to be given another chance of full investigation. I’ll be the first.

    Caveats…

    … it cannot be that he gets a rod inserted before the firing.

    … only Frannie can help him get into position, as that presents no risk of premature Tallywhacker extension. Think Beulah Ballbricker.

    … the video of the attempt must not be on contract to any snuff movie producer. It will only be shown here on Unz. Frannie will do the upload.

  121. @Dutch Boy

    Yes, but that was just “Russians doing it to themselves”. Don’t you even get it?

  122. Antares says:
    @Adrian

    The Dutch were treated by the Germans much more leniently than the East Europeans but nevertheless bad enough. At the end of the war they had to cope with a famine in the West of Holland ( known as the “hunger winter”) deliberately engineered by the Germans in reaction to yet another railway strike.I remember that time of no food, no electricity, no heating, all too well.

    There is also the claim that the Allies deliberately waited 6 months so that they would be welcomed by a starving population. I don’t know which version is true. The war was not discussed in my family although it was known that one grandfather lived under the floor in order to prevent being transported to Germany for forced labour. They lived in The Hague and have experienced that ‘hongerwinter’. From time to time another tree in their street had disappeared over night, supposedly for heating. Still I could never stand their glorifying of the ‘liberators’ as it gave me an eerie feeling, that I couldn’t yet understand.

    • Replies: @Adrian
  123. Antares says:

    The Saker’s essay starts as an interesting read, then raises some eyebrows, and then some more eyebrows, and at the end it turns into pure nonsense. In the final paragraph it becomes clear that he had described the room without the elephant.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  124. TLDR

    Hey Saker,
    Haven’t you heard? We in the West have CoronaVirus. We don’t need armies, we just send drones with bioweapons to kill your herds and tax base/debt slaves/workers!!

    The Jew-Merica war machine will outsmart all its enemies, including Russia!
    USA! USA! USA!

  125. @John Johnson

    Romania was neutral and very much in play for another year, and more important as an oil resource;
    Soviet Russia was an ally – uneasy but nonetheless; indeed the Russo-German peace outbreak marked the end of Poland´s hybris – if only they could have seen it (it is well to remember Hitler offered the Poles much better conditions beforehand).
    German communists were neutralized.
    Meanwhile, Poland was merrily genociding Germans.

    But let us not dwell on the little things – allow me to set your timeline straight:

    – Repeated German protests against forced Polonization of Danzig, demands for a land connection – pared down to one Autobahn, one railroad and a 50-year nonaggression pact.

    – Anti-German riots in Polish-occupied West Prussia, massacre of Bromberg (among others)

    – Brandenburger raid on the Jablunka Pass, removing any lingering doubt whether there would be war.

    – French-British guarantee of Polish territorial integrity – carte blanche; the Brits never ever do that unless they REALLY want war. Rydz, of course, saw the Germans were outnumbered, outgunned, ill prepared, and what did he have such a spiffy army for in the first place?
    ( Indeed accounts later surfaced of Polish officers shocked, SHOCKED and insulted the Germans did not turn tail but attacked! I mean, the gall.)

    – Gleiwitz “incident” (by now should be clear it doesn´t matter whodunit, it just makes no sense for the Germans).

    – “official” start of the war; if you´re looking for guilt, take a card – any card 😀

  126. @but an humble craftsman

    Thanks for that link. So we have yet another “holocaust” liar.

    Zyklon-B is heat activated. It is inert at room temperatures, and completely harmless in an unheated farmhouse at temperatures that would occur in December in Poland.

    If an SS man dropped Zyklon pellets into a farmhouse in December 1942 those Jews would still be there until May 1943. They would have died from starvation or thirst before they got a whiff of gas.

    Not to mention the hilarious claim that burning the bodies makes Jew corpses move. No mention of whether these corpses were dancing with boners, though.

    http://www.vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/7/1/Berg73-94.html

    • Disagree: but an humble craftsman
  127. refl says:
    @susank

    The idea of the Russian-Jewish bond also was hard to take for me in this otherwise great article.
    I am sure that Prussian Germans also thought that they had a bond with the Jews. Wasn’t Prussia a haven of religious tolerance?
    And then came the Anglozionists.

    People can feel bonds as much as they like, geopolitics is elite buisness.

    As for Hitlers growing popularity, I am certainly not affected by it. I rather find it unnerving in commenters who otherwise make good arguments.
    But as long as an honest discussion is not possible, a clear distinction is difficult.

  128. JT says: • Website

    As for the Soviets, they deported “class enemies” from their homes and simply released them in the middle of the Siberian taiga during the winter and with no survival gear: most of them also quickly died, simply from exposure.

    can you back this up? Source?

  129. kikl says:

    I’ve tried to read “Mein Kampf” in the past and found it extremely boring. So I stopped.

    I just googled a version of “Mein Kampf” and downloaded a pdf-version. I searched for

    Mensch (human) 71 hits
    Untermensch (subhuman) 0 hits
    Rasse (race) 264 hits
    Herrenrasse (master race) 0 hits.
    Russe (russian) 2 hits.

    So what did Hitler say about Russians in particular?

    Page 173: “I saw the defeat of the Russians (in the Russian-Japanese-War) also as a defeat of austrian slavdom.”

    page 743: “It is just as impossible for the Russian himself
    is to shake off the yoke of the Jews on their own, as
    it is impossible for the Jew to save the mighty empire permanently.”

    My conclusion: Most of what people say about “Mein Kampf” ist wrong. The allied propaganda about “Mein Kampf” cannot be believed.

    https://deutschermensch.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/adolf-hitler-mein-kampf-band-1-und-2-ungekrzt-855-auflage-1943-818s.pdf

  130. @Genrick Yagoda

    The man paid the price for bringing himself to the attention of our vengeful betters.

    The fact that they are running out fast of Nazis to punish did play an important role in the decision to prosecute him..

    His life savings and the house he built for his family were confiscated to pay for the proceedings.

  131. S says:
    @thotmonger

    P.S. I wonder if FDR had offered the Soviet leadership all of Europe, rather than just half the that was given, would Stalin have turned it down?

    Can’t speak for Stalin, but the NKVD spymaster, Vsevolod N. Merkulov, who was involved with the ‘Enormoz’ project to recruit Manhatten Project scientists as Soviet spies, was purported to have said the below in 1945.

    Of course, the Capitalists, just like their sister paralleling ideologues the Communists, want all Europe, and ultimately the world as well.

    Both Capitalism and Communism are bad anti-life systems, as is their ‘convergance’, global Multi-Culturalism.

    ‘Sooner or later there will be a clash between the Communist Bear and the Western Bulldog. There will be no mercy for our sugar-coated, honey-dripping, wheedling, grovelling allies! We’ll blow them to blazes with all their kings, with all their traditions, lords, castles, heralds, Orders of the Bath and Garter, and their white wigs. When the Bear’s paw strikes, no-one will remain to nurse the hope that their gold can rule the world.’

    ‘Our healthy, socially strong young idea, the idea of Lenin and Stalin, will be the victor! (…) When we roar they sit tight on their tails! I am told that there were Tsars who watered their horses in the [River] Oder. Well, the time will come when we will water Soviet horses in the Thames!”‘

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vsevolod_Merkulov

    • Replies: @thotmonger
  132. @Antares

    For him (((the elephant))) is not the problem.

  133. kikl says:

    Oh, I forgot to mention. The term “Übermensch”, i.e. superman, is not used once in Hitler’s Mein Kampf. Check it out for yourself, if you don’t believe me:

    https://deutschermensch.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/adolf-hitler-mein-kampf-band-1-und-2-ungekrzt-855-auflage-1943-818s.pdf

    The adjective übermenschlich, i.e. superhuman as an adjective is used twise. First he talks about a superhuman force and then about a superhuman will.

    Mein Kampf does not appear to be the book that most people believe it to be:

    https://deutschermensch.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/adolf-hitler-mein-kampf-band-1-und-2-ungekrzt-855-auflage-1943-818s.pdf

    I don’t think that “Mein Kampf” is important at all. If you want to know Hitler’s motivation in 1939-1945 you have to find out what he thought in 1939-45. A book written in 1923 is no reliable source…

    • Agree: L.K
    • Replies: @Vaterland
  134. @Alfred

    Probably because Russia has much invested in the myth themselves, e.g.

    https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/2/1/1919

    • Agree: Old and grumpy
  135. Fact is…..minus the jewing, there would have been no wars, no Hitler, no Holomodor, etc.

    Communism (jewish internationalism) was the root cause of ALL of the problems.

    German nationalism was a REACTION to the jewing.

    And if the Germans had wanted to exterminate the jews, they could have simply shot them all. There were no orders to kill the jews and such claims are total bullshit. There is absolutely no evidence to support a policy of extermination. Jews were given food, clothing, and shelter, in camps that had swimming pools, theaters, hospitals, brothels, etc.

    This article seeks to gaslight the weak minded by using all of the old Hollywood tropes.

    jewing is the problem….and jewing has been the main problem for at least two thousand years.

    • Agree: Truth3
  136. Sparkon says:
    @John Johnson

    You wrote, several times over – “carpet bomb” — but you don’t know what the term means. The Luftwaffe did not have a large force of heavy bombers, and was therefore incapable of carpet bombing anything. Their own experiments had shown what the Allies learned later: high-altitude “precision bombing” was a myth. Most bombs were falling some distance, even miles away from their intended targets. The Germans decided to go with dive bombing, which was much more accurate, after the leading heavy bomber advocate, Gen. Walther Weaver was killed in a plane crash in 1936.

    Carpet Bombing – The first successful use of the technique was on 6 May 1943, at the end of the Tunisia Campaign. Carried out under Sir Arthur Tedder, it was hailed by the press as Tedder’s bomb-carpet (or Tedder’s carpet). The bombing was concentrated in a four by three-mile area, preparing the way for the First Army. This tactic was later used in many cases in the Normandy Campaign; for example, in the Battle for Caen.

    • Replies: @Pheasant
  137. Hitler has made a comeback because it is good for the Jews of the SPLC and ADL. It is a remarkable turn of events considering the boomer generation was fed a steady supply of anti Nazis entertainment like Combat and Hogan’s Heroes. Also in my very humble opinion Russian Empire Jews are a whole different beast from every other Jewish person out there. I hope they gravitate back to their old stomping grounds.

  138. As usual the zionists are at the center of the wrecking and wars and the total destruction of nations and humanity.

  139. Florin N. says:

    Jews essentially took over Russia and began executing tens of thousands of priests, teachers… and they did so ‘as’ Jews who hated Christianity and any hint of non-Jewish ethnonationalism.

    Jews also raped Russia financially in the 1990s, setting Russia back 15/20 years… and then when the firehose of money was turned off, Jews, who essentially do control US and to a large extent UK and French media villified Russia non-stop, and to this day Jews are over-represented in over-the-top Russia-bashing just as Jews formed the Zionist core and sine qua non of the ‘neocon’ movement

    But dont go thinking Jews, as a group, might act in their own greedy/megalomaniacal group interest to harm Russia…

    I mean only an irrational hate-filled imbecile unfamiliar with the universalist tenets of Judaism could ever think so.

    Is that right?
    🤨

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-holy-hook/

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  140. Mulegino1 says:

    And if the Germans had wanted to exterminate the jews, they could have simply shot them all. There were no orders to kill the jews and such claims are total bullshit. There is absolutely no evidence to support a policy of extermination. Jews were given food, clothing, and shelter, in camps that had swimming pools, theaters, hospitals, brothels, etc.

    This article seeks to gaslight the weak minded by using all of the old Hollywood tropes.

    Exactly. If the Germans had had homicidal intent, they would have used the most efficient means of mass murder/genocide- namely a pistol bullet to the back of the head- as was done by the NKVD at Katyn.

    The notion that the Germans would have attempted mass murder on an unprecedented scale using a commercially available pesticide designed for slow and safe fumigation and delousing (Zyklon-B) is a hopelessly ludicrous fantasy. A Hollywood “trope” indeed. Hollywood and its British counterparts created the Holohoax.

    • Agree: Dannyboy
    • Replies: @Vaterland
  141. TKK says:
    @Adrian

    You’ve provided cogent analysis and history based on personal observation. That’s as rare here as a Grizzly Bear in the Bronx.

    Well done!

    Don’t the freaks run you off. There is no global or historical malady- none- that they don’t blame

    on ” jewing “.

    It removes the need for critical thought. It’s also supremely boring. And smug.

    Keep it coming.

  142. anastasia says:

    No lamp shades, no soap, no gas chambers, no holocaust.

    Deprivation, suffering, misery, injustice during the war, yes. Holocaust, no. Genocide, no.

    Comparing wartime atrocities, allies were worse.

  143. Jewish nationalists & supremacists = pain in the @ss.

    Our resident misojudaists = insufferable fools.

  144. Polymath says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    That is a very cool map! I’ve never seen one which recognizes all the micro-countries with dots like that. But although I recognize most of the dots, I’m confused by a few of them. Time to check an atlas….

  145. MLK says:

    I’ll begin with a recent comment from Trump about the Kurds. It isn’t to talk him up in discussion in which he seems to have no place.

    They’re no angels.

    It’s the salve to American impulse to take sides in longstanding relationships such as the subject matter ‘200 years together.”

    What continues to fascinate me is the ‘Never mind about that now!’ mindset with regard to the post-Cold War quarter century.

    There is a method to the madness. Blaming the whole shebang on Nazi Germany and, to the extent possible, Hitler personally, was good enough for government work. At least for those governments that counted.

    Until the Cold War ended and the Soviet Union (and the Warsaw Pact) collapsed.

    I know it’s hard for most here to hear, but the Holocaust was one building block in squaring the circle between Germany and Israel/Jews. It functioned well for two parties with some similarities:

    http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1445000540/

    What also fascinates me, because its been flying under the radar since The Cold War ended, is that the US and Israel have diverged more in their sovereign/national interests with regard to Russia and Eastern Europe than within the Middle East.

    At least that’s the way it’s been playing out under Cold War 2.0. Which, from my point of view, was cover for a Washington Consensus in favor of China’s rise to dominance. As I’ve mentioned before, hands down China won the post-Cold War quarter century. Demonizing Russia, and the middle schooler version of Putin as Hitler, served the interests of China and its Amercian Trade Patsies and Fifth Columnists.

    Trump regularly asks rhetorically ‘Why are we (America) the suckers.” While he usually does so in the context of ‘Burden Sharing’ money-wise, he really means it much more broadly. Consider it not just in the Ukraine context, but Russia generally.

    There never really was much prospect of driving an anti-semitism wedge between Israel and Russia, particularly between Netanyahu and Putin. There’s too much in the way of shared interests for either to let that happen.

    Poland is in a somewhat similar position to Turkey (previously) vis-à-vis Jews/Israel. The Poles will be on the losing end every time within the American context, until they figure out it just ain’t worth it.

  146. Sean says:
    @jsigur

    No written order to kill several million Russian POWs, so that can’t have happened either.

  147. JT says: • Website

    Let’s keep this simple and concrete. The question is the same Jake Morphonios addressed on the 75th anniversary of Auschwitz. It gets to the core of what is Holocaust Denial and what it is not.

    Was the Jewish Holocaust unique or not?

    Was there intent to exterminate, means of extermination, and selection (i.e. Jews only) of victims. Gas chambers, Sobibor, Wannasee and Heydrich.

    You don’t have to be Jewish, you don’t have to be politically A or B, it’s a question of facts. Facts of Nazi policy of discrimination within its own captive, slave, and conquered populations.

    Let’s ignore distractions like gypsies and homosexuals or Freemasons. They’ve largely made up their cases. PC-victim class of no significant number. Completely immaterial and irrelevant compared to Jewish, Soviet losses.

    What groups of civilians were systematically singled out and murdered by the Nazis?

    In one sense – Easterners. Certain Eastern Europeans. Oh sorry, how many Belgians, Dutch, and French were deported for being Belgians, Dutch, and French (rather than for their conduct) or in any great number for resisting along the border, or resisting the Nazi advance? How many?

    give me a number please.

    -Jews were the only and sole civilian population rounded-up and deported in the Nazi allied or occupied West. Slavs, Gypsies, were never deported, or at best occasionally from Netherlands, France, Belgium, uniquely on basis of local government needs, and or communist party affiliation. Resistance to Nazis and collaboration. Not for being Slavs, Romanians, or gypsies. There were at least two million Eastern European immigrants in the West post 1918. Nazis didn’t touch them. Nazis uniquely focused and deported Jews. Pretext was what? What rationale? Does it matter that they died or did not die when reaching or settled into destination? Fact is a fact, no other group was selected from within civilian population.

    -Aryanization policies. Were thorough and all encompassing. What other group, other than Jews, had their properties looted, seized, embezzled throughout all Nazi occupied territories West and East? In the West not one other group. In the East? Only when clear links existed with Communist regimes or anti-Nazi activity

    – There is no disputing operational orders under Heydrich were to genocide Jews to murder all Jews (not of high rank, but all). Young, old, women, men, armed, unarmed. Kill them. Written black on white, carried out with bayonettes, mobile vans, etc.

    Further in the orders are all Soviet commissars, all partisans, and all Soviets opposing these orders. Extermination camps were established as part of these orders. Their victims were 90% Jewish. The only civilian victims. I am not aware of any deportations to these camps of non-Jewish civilians (i.e. non-partisans, non-UPA members). Are you?

    -Einsatzgruppen operated under Heydrchs orders. Their goal was to kill and murder any and all Jews, but they also murdered Slavs and all who resisted. Entire villages of Slavs, when villages supported partisans, when they harbored anti-Nazis were wiped out.

    -The Nazis remained selective even under Heydrichs plans. Brownshirts in the Ukraine, Poland, Russia, Crimea, Caucasus, Balkans, were rewarded and welcomed into the Nazi fold. Integrated into Nazi battalions. Bandera in Auschwitz lived royally compared to Soviet POWs and Jews. UPA wasn’t rounded up and exterminated when not fighting Nazis. Many non-Jewish collaborators greeted the Nazis and in most cases (there were exceptions) the Nazis integrated them into the mechanism of repression. Give me one example other than the case of Krymchak Jews who were granted an “exception” from Heydrichs program on the grounds of not being Jewish, (i.e. do you not see a pattern here??) such exceptions were given to any, a single Jewish group? One example where Jews were treated such? Even in cases where the USSR denounced the Jewish leadership in Poland as Fascist and collaborators, anyone actually dumb enough to claim that Jewish leaders of Polish Nazi ghettos were treated with deference other Nazi collaborators got? Seriously?!!!

    [MORE]

    -There are published documents disclosing Nazi plans for European Russia. Massive – genocidal depopulation. Plan included culling “Aryans” from Asiatics. Enslavement. Nazi enslavement being multi-tiered. Western indentured labor in Germany was treated fairly. “Untermenschen” were subject to harsher conditions, had legally less rights than workers from Italy, France, Belgium.

    – At the Wannasee conference you can either assume that the conference was in code – where sterilization meant extermination – or accept at face value plans for sterilization. Either way, the plans are clear in preventing Jews from reproducing in Nazi occupied East (Nazi occupied West was not touched by the conference). What other group was selected for mass sterilization by the Nazis? Even gypsies it was hit and miss. Name one other group.

    Now one can argue that Wannasee documents are immaterial, as their chain of command and application is not documented. What about the results. Organizing deportations, aryanizations, clear ghettoization all based on ethnic identity, what other group was subject to this?

    So the results speak for themselves on Wannasee, meaning that the document reveals real intentions, that were applied by the Nazis.

    -what’s the relevance of Hitler knew or did not know? Was Wannasee applied under his nose? Or with his approval? What’s the difference?

    – extermination camps vs. concentration camps. A statistical breakdown of victims per nationality per camp shows clearly the intentions of some camps serving to murder Jews. Which of the Heydrich camps killed even Soviet POW’s in numbers even vaguely proportional to Jews?

    Why?

    So there were extermination camps. Yes or no? If so, who were they intended for? If not for Jews, then who? Why were Jews 90% of their victim? What other group had their property seized, their children put on camps into these trains? Did communists in Paris or Brussels have their kids deported? Give me one example.

    -gas chambers. This is not a detail. It is a testament to intent. There are different arguments, from David Cole’s “there were no gas chambers” to Sakers “they killed nobody…or few…their intent was different. Is anyone claiming there were no gas chambers actually familiar with the evidence for their existence or all you have to go by is the arguments from those who claim there were none? Are you aware of Soviet POW testimony about gas chambers? Aware that non Soviet prisoners/captives also repoted their existnace and use?

    You dismiss all this as some kind of giant conspiracy theory?

    Hm.

    I think there is a pattern here.

    -Holocaust figures. Whether it is 4 million or 7 million, does that change anything about a system deliberately put in place singling out Jews among the civilian population of the East. Does intent matter?

    – Auschwitz figures. The previous plaque claimed 4.4 million who were killed or tortured. Current figures are only for those killed. Question for “experts” how many captives in total, passed through Oswiencim concentration camps and network of slave and corporate camps during period of operation. Are the two plaques contradictory, complimentary?

    Saker you can, as a Russian, talk all you want about our common struggle against the Nazis, but just as Mikhoels maintained, even though the Soviet people bore the brunt of the Nazi offensive (yes, the Brits, French, and all the others can go f^%ck themselves about their victim stories, and yes the US war in the Pacific was a pittance not worthy of comparison to the Soviet effort) the Jewish people were definitely, absolutely, without any doubt singled out by the Nazis, and yes, for either one generational elimination, or for outright extermination in practice.

    Yes Saker, your relatives also died, and fought on the right side, and this makes you all the more heroes. You chose your struggle. We know this, because many choose to collaborate. Soviets did not. Maybe Stalin chose it for you, and you should be proud, and grateful, but with all due respect, with all due respect for your Slavic losses, you were not singled out, your population was not deported, it was not despoiled, it was not singled out for anything other than its conduct. It isn’t even clear if the culling process the Nazis proposed wouldn’t have favored the Slavs. You people are heroes, yes, but no you were not singled out in the same way as Jews.

    Or do facts not matter?

    Hitler didn’t mind allying with non-Aryans. He never sought to ally with any Jews once the war started. What would have happened if the Japs had declared war on the USSR and met the Nazis at the Urals, is anyone’s guess, but what would have happened to Jews if America had gone brown? Vichy. Deportations. Aryanization.

    Just like in Western Occupied Europe, a brown america would have deported its Jews on the basis of them being recent immigrants of foreign stock. Straight into the “sterilizing” hands of the Nazis.

    In WWII the Jewish people were uniquely targeted, and they were targeted for extermination. It is thanks to the USSR that many Jews owe their existence today, although five million Jews lived in the USA, and Hitler cannot have exterminated all Jews throughout the entire world, but from his practice in Europe, and his intentions it appears that was certainly his intent. What matters, is that those Jews who survived in Europe (Russian and non-Russina) did so thanks to the people of the USSR who fought the Nazis.

    It is a shame that some Jews wish to forget this or downplay this…but that has more to do with modern politics, which are not a kid’s game and in which Russia too seeks to permanently instrumentalise its role in WWII victory for purposes that are no more laudable than the way neocons use the Holocaust to ravage the Middle East. Let’s not get on our high horses and forget the complexity of the modern world. This is a separate debate ,and it’s not what I am asking about.

    Where is the disagreement with my main points here? Where is the alternative history? What am I missing here?

    To me, the motion stands! “There was clear intent to exterminate, the means of extermination, and clear selection of Jews as victims. There were multiple-means, including Gas chambers. There were special camps just for extermination. There was Wannasee, but more importantly, Heydrich with his orders and conduct.

    Thank you Soviets, but part of what makes Nazi terror unique, is its obsessive focus on Jews and their elimination.

    What prevents any of you, including you Saker, all the non-Jews, which I assume are many readers here from compiling your own victim figures. If you are Russian, Ukrainian, Romanian, or even Belgian, what keeps you from tallying where, how, and why your citizens died at the hands of the Nazis? Western Europeans have come up with homos and masons. They don’t even give a shit about their communists or anti-brown activists. What keeps you in the Ukraine, Byelorussia, and Russia, from making your own monuments, sharing your own victim stories.

    If the Holocaust was not unique, if your losses are so great – where is your Yad Vashem? Where are your scholars, researchers, and studies?

    Look at Katyn. The Russian government says one thing, and yet it still can’t explain why the Nazis said another during the war. Who has tied the Kremlin’s hands on this? A secret conspiracy?

    This is aimed not at you Saker, but the real denialists: those of you who deny the Holocaust and its uniqueness have a problem with your own selves. You can’t stomach that Jews care about our dead, while you make up new-age theories about how you are no longer Christians, even thoough all of your ancestors were. How you worship the “one man” or “one woman” (from previous comments here on other posts), how the majority of you are unbelievably ignorant of general history, but you are always ready to comment on this and that, always have your opinions, but you seldom visit the graves of your ancestors, about whom you don’t give a shit, becuase you’re too busy worshiping IQs, or made-up make-belief fantasy worlds of Wicca, or Viking neo-paganism, etc. Too atheistic to ever have set foot in a Church, or too Evangelical to know crap about actual Church history (i..e again, completely cut off from any roots).

    Maybe if you cared as much about yourselves as Jews care about Jews, then you’d look less to denigrate our losses and trivialize facts.

    I fear Saker, that your own Russia, in this sense, isn’t so different. I don’t think your current generation gives a damn about WWII. They find themselves sympathizing more with the Nazis than the USSR. You can’t solve your problems with the Ukrainians. You get more of a hearing in UNZ, which caters to American audiences, than you do in Russia or Kiev.

    Sorry to throw the issue back to you like this, I think its better to focus on the facts I listed, but still. I think these facts are a general cover-up for people’s own troubled identities, which is why you need Jews to raise issues, instead of standing up for yourselves son your own terms.

  148. anon_382 says:
    @utu

    agree 100% with your first paragraph

    too bad you had to drag other Russians in with the last two lines

  149. sarz says:
    @John Johnson

    Here is a conversation I had with Saker in 2015 regarding the status of Hitler’s religious beliefs:

    Dear Saker,
    I think you are wrong about Hitler and Christianity. Here is an article by Richard Carrier showing that the view of Hitler as anti-Christian was the fruit of a policy of disinformation. Carrier makes much of his own atheism; he is not promoting Christianity, just setting the record straight.

    That article, from German Studies Review, Vol. 26, No. 3 (Oct., 2003), is covered by copyright.

    Here is a shorter version, freely available. http://ffrf.org/legacy/fttoday/2002/nov02/carrier.php Here is the opening paragraph:

    We often hear accusations that “Adolf Hitler was an atheist and look what he did!” The idea that Hitler believed in God, that he even claimed Christ as his own, is so shocking to people that they will go to any lengths to deny it. But the notion that Hitler was an atheist has already been soundly refuted.1 He was unmistakably a god-fearing Christian.

    Kind regards,

    [sarz]

    He was no an atheist, he was a pagan with satanist leaning imho
    cheers!

    It is good to respect the truth, even when it is inconvenient. Please read the article. It will be an eye-opener. As for “atheist,” that was a comment about Richard Carrier, the author, not about Hitler. Regards

    Commenter jsigur rightly dismisses what has been passed off as the English version of Hitler’s Table Talk as propaganda. But there were conversations and they were written up from notes and memory the next day. But Hugh Trevor-Roper’s translation turned black into white.

    It’s funny that Saker in his ignorance is ready to smear Hitler as a satanist, but he has not said anything equivalent about Trump, whose very close associates for decades, Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, had a temple to Moloch on that island. That’s for child sacrifice.

  150. Correction: it is not about Eastern Russia, it is about Western Russia. Poland and Austria are to the West of Russia, not to the East.

    the way Jews are seen in the West is truly very different from how Jews are viewed in Russia

    The major fallacy of this worldview is that Jews is a granfalloon (to use Kurt Vonnegut’s term: “If you wish to examine a granfalloon, just remove the skin of a toy balloon”). Glaring examples: a Jew Ron Unz does a lot to keep the freedom of speech alive on his website, whereas the Jewish kagal of Soros’ ilk, which pushes the PC BS, violently suppresses free speech, even trying to push anti-free speech laws through the US Congress. The same is true for Russian Jews: there is greedy scum without scruples, prepared to commit any crime imaginable to increase their loot, like Khodorkovsky or Berezovsky, and there are ethical individuals (naturally, each with his own quirks), like Shamir or Satanovsky. Jews are just as different as Anglos, Russians, Chinese, or people of any national origin.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @mh505
  151. @Anatoly Karlin

    Why is Bhutan, a Buddhist monarchy, colored red?

  152. Trinity says:

    I think it is high time that Israel/Jews be made to pay reparations to all of Eastern Europe that was enslaved under communism for decades. WHY Israel/Jews have ESCAPED any accountability for the Holodomor and suffering they brought on the Eastern European people through communism and yet Germany is still to this day held accountable for the so-called, “holocaust” is bullshit for lack of a better term. What is good for the goose is certainly good for the gander.

    I skimmed through this article and it is downright laughable and so beyond the pale and full of out and out bullshit, once again for lack of a better term.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  153. history has forever created a bond between Jews and Russians: their common memory of the mass atrocities perpetuated against them by the Nazis.

    This is pure Stockholm Syndrome and one of the most pathological statements I’ve ever read. It’s like saying “my cancer and I have an unbreakable bond.” Ironically, Saker proves that Hitler was right about Russians being little more than submissive cattle for Jewish supremacists.
    The Jews murdered the Russian Royal Family, exterminated Russia’s aristocracy and intelligentsia, irreparably damaged Russian culture, killed tens of millions of Russians during the Bolshevik era, killed tens of millions more by using them as cannon fodder in WW2, and have turned Russian women into sex slaves for Jews to rape out of their limitless racial hatred of Russians… and all this clown Saker can do is talk about “Nazi atrocities,” most of which were fictions generated by the practically all-Jewish NKVD state terror organization. Jews murdered more than Russians than Hitler ever did or would have.
    This is why I hate Russian vatnik patriotards, they are nothing more than slaves of Jewry. There is no crime a Jew can commit against a Russian that a subservient moron like Saker wouldn’t excuse. He can love Jews all he wants, but Jews will always hate his people back, and he’ll never accept the truth, that it is Europeans and Russians who are victims of Jews, and it is Europeans and Russians who should have a shared bond with one another.

    • Replies: @anon_382
    , @AnonFromTN
  154. Cowboy says:

    I can understand how the Slavs and Heebs are tolerant of each other as their personality structures are similar in that both ethnicities are characterized by their boorish dull depressed authoritarian personalities. The fact that Slavs are generally drunk explains how the Heebs were able take over their country.

  155. @Trinity

    Agree, and the ZUS and Israel should be made to pay reparations for destroying Iraq and Syria and Libya and Yemen, but this will never happen as the zionists are using the ZUS as the point of the spear to wreck and destroy the mideast for Israel.

    • Agree: Rabbi Zaius
    • Replies: @Trinity
  156. @JT

    Most of this is correct. But, you failed to address the central issue: why? Why was Hitler so obsessed with Jews?

    If one tries to come to a rational explanation, the answer is close- though, not identical- to MacDonald’s chapters on Nazi politics re Jews: hyper-Teutonic racial exclusivity & radicalism was an answer to Jewish supremacism as Hitler & his ideologues saw happening, through their world-view lens, in turmoils of “international Communism inc.” (pages 161-213).

    Or, in other words-Russians were, in Hitler’s eyes, useful semi-Asiatic idiotic tools for a grand Jewish anti-European conspiracy, with the intent of destroying Western civilization.

    Frankly, I don’t see why Hitler’s apologists incessantly try to make excuses (he didn’t know, nothing happened, it is all forgery etc.). If I were of the Nazi mindset, I would say: Hell, yes. You guys, Jews & others, are a pest. As Genghis Khan said of the Tanguts – who were completely exterminated by his sons & generals: They are a poisonous people that should be completely annihilated.

    This all shows that universal humanism still rules in the Western mind. Whether this is the case with east Asians, the only competitors for world dominance, is quite another question…..

    Anyway, these books are a good literature to consult:

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    • Replies: @Saggy
    , @nokangaroos
  157. anarchyst says:
    @JT

    You miss the most important point…Your blinders and jewish ethnocentrism will not permit you to see the TRUTH.
    In fact, zionist leaders collaborated with the German government to make life “difficult” for jews in Germany to get them to emigrate to what was then known as Palestine. It was zionist leaders who proposed that jews wear the yellow “star of david”, formulating it into law.
    Germany responded by rounding up jewish troublemakers and putting them to work for the “war effort”. As most jews never worked a day in their lives, having a real “job” was a real “eye opener”.
    The “camps” were work camps-not “extermination camps”. The International Red Cross had unfettered access to all of the camps and reported not one incident of “extermination”.
    It would have been foolish for Germany to use its limited energy resources to transport people to distant locations just to kill them. Warm, functioning bodies were needed to contribute to the war effort. What better source of people than those you wanted to be rid of?
    After the jewish coup, the communist takeover of Russia, it was no secret that jewish interests were attempting to “communize” the whole of Europe, Germany being their “ace in the hole” especially when it came to social upheaval and political violence. The jewish communists KNEW that if they could control Germany, the rest of Europe would be “easy pickings” for communist control.
    The jewish holocaust™ “cash cow” is being dissembled and exposed for the massive fraud that it is as we speak.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  158. @Tusk

    Even assuming that Hitler did intend to turn Russia and Poland into Lebensraum, it was Stalin and the judeo-communists who actually implemented the genocide of native peoples. Whether it was Tartars, Cossacks, Estonians, Latvians, Poles or Germans, it was the Russians slave to zionist communism who gladly raped, murdered and chased the native peoples off of their land, and they continued to do so long after the war was over.

    So when we compare some disputable words of Hitler deliberately taken out of all context to the times and compare it to Stalin’s timeless genocide and murder of millions of people and dozens of nations and cultures, Hitler looks like and angel sent by god. The same also applies to Churchill and Roosevelt, who both were genocidal freemason’s just like Stalin.

    Just look at how all three of these satanists framed Germany for the Katyn Forest massacre. It was truly a masonic work of art, an act of masonic achievement in the same league as the assassination of the Arch Duke, the “moon landing”, 9/11 or most recently the spoofing of Iran to get her to shoot down her own jet.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  159. S says:

    However, when the EU declares in a solemn vote that Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were both equally responsible for WWII…

    If they want to go down that route, the EU should add the US/UK then as being ‘equally responsible’ for WWII.

    The below was published in the United States in 1853 in regards to a future practically unbeatable US/UK united front that was to be formed. One of the book’s two writers, Theodore Poesche, had spent about a year in London in 1850, had likely met up whilst there with the Italian revolutionary Mazzini, and then traveled on to the United States, where with a co-author he promptly wrote and published for wide dissemination The New Rome excerpted below.

    [Giuseppe Mazzini is thought mid 19th century to have been a confident of the British Foreign Secretary and future prime minister Lord Palmerston. Palmerston was quite keen on the idea of an Anglocentric ‘New Rome’, a truly all encompassing global empire, being established. For more on this see the Palmerston article linked below.]

    According to this geo-political book, the very first thing this future US/UK united front (the ‘Anglo-Saxon empire’) will do once formed is unleash a ‘world’s war’ upon the whole of humanity when it makes it’s move to conquer Germany, the center of power upon continental Europe.

    This action in turn is to set off a dangerous struggle between the United States and Russia for the control and domination of Europe.

    ‘…the Anglo-Saxon empire shall lay its slow but unyielding grasp upon the countries of the Germanic confederation.

    The New Rome (1853) – pg 105

    That great uprising of all peoples, that world’s war which is for ever seen to hang, like the sword of Damocles, over the passing joys and troubles of the hour, will fall when the Anglo-Saxon empire shall lay its slow but unyielding grasp upon the countries of the Germanic confederation.

    Then will the mastery of Europe be the prize of the death-struggle between the Union [the United States] and the Czar [Russia].

    Once the control of Germany has been safely consolidated by the Anglo-Saxon empire, next on the ‘to do’ list is Russia, a potential competitor of the US/UK for the obtainment of total world power.

    According to this book, once Russian power has been smashed, a global super-state called the ‘New Rome’, or, the ‘United States of the World’ will be ushered in, with the US/UK being the hegemonic power.

    We shall see..

    ‘..the world is too small for both..’

    The New Rome (1853) – pg 109

    Thus the lines are drawn. The choirs are marshalled on each wing of the world’s stage, Russia leading the one, the United States the other. Yet the world is too small for both, and the contest must end in the downfall of the one and the victory of the other.

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_new_rome_or_the_united_states_of_the_world_1853

    https://archive.org/details/politicalprophec00goeb/page/n3/mode/2up

    http://tarpley.net/online-books/against-oligarchy/lord-palmerstons-multicultural-human-zoo/

  160. anarchyst says:
    @jsigur

    Let’s not forget that the jewish “freak show” at Auschwitz was “re-created” by the communists after the summation of WW2.
    From “gas chambers” with ordinary wooden doors, with no means to exhaust the “bug spray” that was purportedly used to “killsixmillionjews” to chimneys that don’t connect to anything, it is clear that the “holocaust™ is indeed “the hoax of the twentieth (and twenty-first) century”.

  161. “Polish-Ukrainian theory about the USSR being an accomplice to the Holocaust”

    What typical Saker hogwash. The “holocaust”, such as it was, was directly attributable to the USSR. From the refusal to “save” the jews in Warsaw to the fake ovens at Auschwitz, the “holocaust” was a concocted by the soviets and their jewish owners.

  162. Trinity says:
    @Desert Fox

    And they owe reparations to America as well as Western Europe for all the victims they have created by leading the way in flooding our countries with hostile invaders from the Middle East, Africa, and Central America, who have raped countless numbers of White women, groomed and raped white girls, assaulted and murdered our people. FORCED ASSIMILATION IS INDEED AN ACT OF GENOCIDE. YES, they do in fact owe reparations to Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen as well as EVERY SINGLE TRADITIONALLY WHITE NATION IN THE WORLD, which includes Western Europe along with Eastern Europe, America, Canada, Australia, and reparations for South African Whites as well. Jews were front and center ONCE AGAIN at stirring up hate and division in South Africa, where over 70,000 White South Africans died horrific rape-torture-murders in the period of 1994-2014, only 58,000 Americans died fighting in Vietnam. And America needs to collect every single dime that we have sent over to Israel since 1948, you wonder how much that would amount to, probably enough to make most Americans millionaires, especially given that Israel was caught bombing American and British facilities in Egypt in the Lavon Affair, murdered American sailors and horribly wounded others on the USS Liberty and they are constantly caught spying on America ala Rosenbergs, Pollard, tapping Clinton’s phone in the Lewinsky affair, and most recently they caught some Jewish professor named Charles Lieber. And they are worried about Russkie spies, and Russkies influencing our elections??? hahaha. Give me a break.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  163. anon_382 says:
    @Staudegger

    history has forever created a bond between Jews and Russians: their common memory of the mass atrocities perpetuated against them by the Nazis.

    wow

    he also denies the Holodomor

  164. Pheasant says:
    @Smith

    So Russia has Civnats as well?

    The Saker is laughably misinformed about the jewish nature and this article is long winded nonsense.

  165. mh505 says:
    @AnonFromTN

    What you are saying is obviously true and shouldn’t even have to be mentioned: the Jewish “Everyman” will not differ greatly in character from any other ethnicity/race.

    However, this cannot be said about Jewish intelligentsia which has brought forth an unduly large amount per capita of both, geniuses and the worst scum of the earth.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  166. Saggy says: • Website
    @Sean

    And yet the dean of holohoax historians, Raul Hilberg, admitted in a PBS interview that there was no evidence Hitler had anything to do with the holohoax, this segment of the interview was not broadcast ….

    Elie Wiesel and other survivors sometimes ask, “Where was God?’
    The German prosecutors, the political scientists, the historians, ask a more modest question – “Where was Adolf Hitler?’

    But, what about other orders, documents, communications, necessary to carry out the Holocaust?

    Raul Hilberg now explains that the genocide of the Jews was carried out by telepathy!
    http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com/1988/09/raul-hilberg-now-explains-that-genocide.html

    In 1978-1979 I (Faurisson) published two articles in the prominent daily Le Monde demonstrating that the alleged Nazi gas chambers could not have existed, and this for reasons essentially physical and chemical in nature [1].

    Hilberg responded in an interview:

    I will say that, in a certain way, Faurisson and others, without wanting to, have done us a favour. They have raised questions that have the effect of engaging historians in new research. They have obliged us once again to collect information, to re-examine documents and to go further into the comprehension of what took place. [3]

    ….

    Seven months later, in New York, before an audience of nearly 2,700 at Avery Fischer Hall, Hilberg summed up his new argument: …..

    But what began in 1941 was a process of destruction not planned in advance, not organized centrally by any agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget for destructive measures. They [these measures] were taken step by step, one step at a time. Thus came about not so much a plan being carried out, but an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus-mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy [4].

    Let us note again those final words: “an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus-mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy” [5].

    On January 16, 1985 Hilberg confirmed those words and that explanation at Ernst Zündel’s trial in Toronto. He did so under oath during his cross-examination by Zündel’s barrister, Douglas Christie, whom I was assisting [6].

    That same year the “revised and definitive” edition of his book appeared. In it, he did not use the expression “consensus-mind reading” but wrote:

    In the final analysis, the destruction of the Jews was not so much a product of laws and commands as it was a matter of spirit, of shared comprehension, of consonance and synchronization [7].

    • Replies: @anon_382
    , @Sean
  167. @JT

    The Jews were uniquely targetted, yes. But for “resettlement-in-the-East”, not for extermination, at least according to the Wannsee documents. Whether “resettlement”(German : Umsiedlung) was code for genocide is exactly the core of the whole Holocaust debate.
    Fact is that the Nazis first allowed the Jews freely to emigrate out of Germany, then tried the Palestine option (“Haavera agreement”) and finally the Madagascar plan. When all that failed, mass resettlement into the newly conquered space in Russia was the plan. Whether that eventually led to mass murder or not is part of the Holocaust debate. Personally I am agnostic in this respect. Serious further research and debate is needed.

    • Replies: @Saggy
    , @JT
  168. Mikhail says: • Website

    It is also interesting how differently the Anglo powers treated the Ukronazis and the Russians of the ROA: the West lovingly imported to the US and Canada all the Ukronazis it could get its hands on, yet at the same time the West forcibly repatriated millions of Russians, including POW and ROA members, with often horrible consequences for the repatriates. As for General Vlasov himself, he was executed along with other officers accused of treason.

    Keep in mind that when compared to the ROA, a greater % of Ukronazis could claim a Polish background, based on Poland’s border between two world wars. Otherwise, as WW II was in the process of ending, the West and USSR had an agreement that all Soviet citizens would be returned to the Wese.

    A number of ROA folks made it to the West – either thru complete luck and/or being able to make the aforementioned claim of the Ukronazis

    In its peek Cold War years, The pro-Bandera Captive Nations Committee (which had been dominated with Ukronazis) was noticeably pro-Bandera and pro-Pavelic, while being quite mute on Mihailovic and Vlasov.

    On the subject of the ROA:

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/12/14/czech-russian-relations-and-the-roa-conflicting-historical-narratives/

  169. Pheasant says:
    @Lot

    I think hes nuts because he is essentially a philo-semite.

    Why do you mrs half-Jew think hes nuts?

    Genuinely interested.

  170. KenH says:
    @Priss Factor

    There are two ways to deal with this. Expel Jews or develop a counter-goy cultural mindset that is as powerful and forceful as Jewishness.

    Jews have been expelled from 109 nations throughout history but that hasn’t change their predatory nature for the better and eventually the goy nations and people who expelled them forgive and forget and allow them back in in stark contrast with the Jews who NEVER forgive and NEVER forget and always aim to exact vengeance on those who they feel “poisecuted” them.

    The historical memory of the Jews seems to extend back to the dawn of their existence while ours doesn’t extend back more than a few decades.

  171. @anarchyst

    As most jews never worked a day in their lives, having a real “job” was a real “eye opener”.

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  172. anon_382 says:
    @Saggy

    his speech pattern is disingenuous, pretentious – like he thinks he’s a preacher or something

  173. Upon second consideration, I think Saker is actually a Jew himself. His articles all exhibit the same tricks I see in those Jews who do the “fellow White people” thing on social media. Ultimately he’s all about convincing White people to serve Jewish interests. He should be considered a Jew until proven otherwise.

    • Replies: @Maple Curtain
    , @vot tak
  174. Vojkan says:

    While I acquiesce to everything written in this article, I’ll just make an observation about Dostoevsky’s alleged dislike of Jews.
    Raskolnikov’s victim in Crime and Punishment, Alyona Ivanovna, though not having a stereotypical Jewish name, is a digest of stereotypes held against Jews. Yet her murder is a crime for which his perpetrator will be sent into exile in Siberia.
    So if there is indeed dislike for certain traits of the Jewish character, the Orthodox faith never considers violence as a legitimate means to deal with them. The rejection of Jewish vices is not achieved by killing them, it is achieved by choosing virtue.

  175. Trinity says:

    Speaking of REPARATIONS for Europeans and in this case Germans, February 13 of this year marks the 75th anniversary of the Allied firebombing of innocent civilians in Dresden. If you want to know the details of how horrific firebombing actually is, read the book Hellstorm: The Death Of Nazi Germany or watch the documentary available on BitChute. Blood River Radio devoted both hours to their show last night on the Dresden Bombings and had Tom Goodrich on as a guest. A guest in the second hour, can’t remember his name, has done an audio version of the book, “Hellstorm,” which is quite long, but anyhow, there is no reason why anyone shouldn’t at least read the book, watch the documentary, or listen to the audio book in your spare time. It is insane that the German people are made to feel guilty for merely defending their country from the Jewish led Bolsheviks, the German people with the exception of perhaps the Chinese, suffered more than any other people in WWII. What was done to the German people in WWII and how they have had to continue to pay reparations for being on the losing side of a war that they didn’t start is downright disgraceful. OFF YOUR KNEES, GERMANY!!

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  176. @Staudegger

    Congrats! You swallowed imperial propaganda hook, line and sinker. Big brother is proud of that result.

    The rest is for the less brainwashed readers. Don’t you think that Russians who actually live or lived in Russia (Saker is not one, to the best of my knowledge) know the reality from more reliable sources that imperial propaganda? No Russian who had ancestors (parents or grandparents) live through Nazi occupation would believe fairy tales about nice Germans. In fact, German atrocities on the occupied Soviet territories contributed more to the anti-Nazi feelings of the people than Stalin’s propaganda. Besides, those who happened to be on the occupied territory had no access to Stalin’s propaganda, but saw German atrocities with their own eyes. Hitler fanboys/girls come in two flavors. The majority are the people who never knew anyone who lived through German occupation, so their received wisdom is of the worthless variety. The minority are the descendants of traitors who served Hitler, like Banderite scum. Their view is understandable: they were defeated along with their Nazi masters.

    No Russian who lived in Russia would believe lies about tens of millions killed by Bolsheviks. The number of those killed, directly or indirectly, is maybe 2-3 million (that’s including those who were the victims of ”collectivization/dekulakization”). Out of these, at least a few hundred thousands were criminals shot for murder, robbery, rape, etc. FYI, Nazis preserved Soviet “collective farms” for the simple reason that these “farms” were a perfect vehicle for robbing peasants, and that’s exactly what German occupiers did.

    The claims of rape are even more ridiculous. The only Bolshevik leader who might have engaged in rape was Beria, and he was neither Jew nor Russian.

    Bolshevik/communist regime in the USSR is guilty of many things, but it committed a lot fewer crimes in 70 years of its existence than Nazi regime during a lot shorter period, 1933-45. The story that Soviet regime is largely Jewish was partially true before Stalin’s purges, but after that it is an outright lie. Not to mention that Latvian troops were the only reason Bolshevik regime survived the uprising of Left Socialist Revolutionary Party in July 1918, or that the founding leader of Cheka Dzerzhinsky was a Pole.

    Bottom line is, Russians know the reality, not the BS spewed by Conquest and his ilk for imperial money.

    • Troll: Saggy, L.K
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    , @ploni almoni
  177. Pheasant says:
    @RJJCDA

    That is actually chateau heartiste that said that.

  178. @mh505

    I am not so sure. If I think of people who perpetrated the most massive crimes throughout human history, the names of Genghis Khan, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot come to mind, none of which was Jewish. The most murderous leaders of the British Empire or the US weren’t Jews, either. I can think of currently living Jewish scum (may they rot in Hell), like Soros, Kagan, or Khodorkovsky, but each of these criminals has a lot less blood on his hands than any of the last four US presidents.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Vaterland
  179. Hegar says:

    Following The Saker’s link I am amused by his description of Russia, which has always sought to invade Sweden-Finland, Poland and German lands, and the Balkans, as the innocent victim of “Western imperialism” attacking the totally innocent country.

    “The Latins did attempt to submit the Orthodox world by a careful mix of threats and promises to assist Constantinople against the Ottomans at the so-called False Union of Florance, but they had failed, and Constantinople eventually fell to armies of Mehmet the Conqueror. Thus, Moscow became the “Third Rome”, the last free Orthodox Christian Kingdom, the civilizational heir to the Roman civilization.”

    Joining in a war against the Ottoman Empire sounds like a good idea, but because it was “the Latins” who asked Russia, it’s a False Union. And of course, Moscow is “the Third Rome,” which no one ever calls it, for good reason since it had nothing to do with Rome. But to a Russian fanatic, history is malleable.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  180. Hegar says:

    Hey, Saker. Let’s forget that Stalin prepared to invade Germany, shall we? The Russian military was placed on the German border, far to the west of its normal fortified positions. In front of rivers instead of behind them, for example. Planes out in the open instead of by their bases. There was zero reason for this other than for attacking Germany, which the “Russian” leadership of course had wanted all along. That is why it was so easy for Germany to bomb the planes out in the open fields. Russia saved Western Europe from being invaded by the Soviet Union.

    And let’s forget how the Russians raped millions of women after the war. They gangraped, tortured and murdered German and Austrian women. They raped Finnish women. They raped Baltic women. They raped Polish women. They raped Romanian and Yugoslav women. Even to the point where the local communist parties objected.

    The Russians raped more women than in all other European wars combined. And they laugh about it.

    Russia has always sought to invade Europe. There is a reason all its neighbors hate the place, since they have been attacked constantly throughout history.

    We only see the wars in the history books. But Russians kept raiding their neighbors across the border. They even sailed to the Swedish archipelago outside Stockholm to raid the buildings and burn them. Even though there wasn’t much to steal there, just for the joy of killing.

    This does not mean we have to believe the neocon lies about Ukraine or about Russia in Syria. The only good thing about Russia is that Putin opposed neocon plans to some degree. But I will not cry for Russians being sanctioned. If they could they would do much worse to Europeans.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
    , @AnonFromTN
  181. Pheasant says:
    @Sparkon

    Helped kill about 100 thousand French in Normandy too.

    Some liberation.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  182. @kikl

    There’s many more than just two references to Russia. Read Chapter 14 of Volume 2 “Eastern Orientation or Eastern Policy”. My impression is that he claimed that Germany cannot survive without expansionism, and that certainly meant war.

    we National Socialists must hold unflinchingly to our aim in foreign policy, namely, to secure for the German people the land and soil to which they are entitled on this earth.

    Germany will either be a world power or there will be no Germany.

    If we speak of soil in Europe today, we can primarily have in mind only Russia and her vassal border states.

    Obviously others had already carved up the earth and felt they were more entitled to it than the Germans. Hitler clearly stated he wanted other people’s territories and that he was prepared to go to war for them. What’s not clear? Who cares whether he thought Germans were superior and others inferior, or what others thought of their colonial serfs? He wanted what belonged to others and so it came to pass as it did.

    • Replies: @kikl
  183. The tripartite powwow of the desert deities:

    Yahweh; mine are the one percent…

    Jehovah: mine are the deplorables…

    Allah: mine are the black and brown…

    Yahweh: my children are the chosen ones…

    Jehovah: my children are the loving ones…

    Allah: my children are the brave ones…

    Yahweh: mine never forgive nor forget…

    Jehovah: mine always forgive and forget…

    Allah: mine feign to forgive and forget…

    Yahweh to Allah: his bunch are pansies…

    Jehovah: it’s love thy neighbor…

    Yahweh to Jehovah: his bunch are cutthroats…

    Allah: it’s self-love…

    Allah to Yahweh: his bunch is sanctimonious…

    Jehovah: it’s piety…

    Allah to Jehovah: his bunch is greedy…

    Yahweh: it’s bank management…

    Jehovah to Allah: his are never satisfied…

    Yahweh: it’s due diligence…

    Jehovah to Yahweh: his are ever vengeful…

    Allah: it’s self-satisfaction…

    Yahweh: mine will inherit the earth…

    Jehovah: mine will have the heavens…

    Allah: I guarantee no return from hell…

    Yahweh: shalom!

    Jehovah: peace!

    Allah: salam!

    Then they kicked their respective donkeys…

  184. @JT

    …and some people say that Jews are delusional psychopaths.

  185. Cyrano says:
    @Hegar

    No one was more embarrassed by the conduct of the Russian troops in Germany than their leaders. They were embarrassed because it shattered the myth about the toughness of the Russian soldiers. The behavior of Russian army in Germany showed that – in the words of the great Michael Jackson – the Russians are lovers, not fighters. They much preferred to make love to German women then to fight. Thank God that the war ended soon afterwards, so the Russians didn’t have to further embarrass themselves by showing their weakness.

  186. @Staudegger

    Ya, the few times I’ve read any of his fairy tale, like this one, I’ve had the feeling that I was reading mailed-in Hasbarat.

  187. @Commentator Mike

    You know, Mike, back in the mid 60s I had an injured WWII veteran, high school history teacher who literally foamed at the mouth talking about Hitler and all of his plans of world conquest being in Mein Kampf, therefore, we had to read it. It took me a few years to find a copy, but I did. Pretty dry shit for a 20 year old, but I slugged through.
    All I saw, and continue to see, was a political manifesto, much like any political platform put forward today. Lots of hot air. There are many things in Mein Kampf that weren’t done. Reclaiming all territory lost under Versailles wasn’t done. In October 1933, after becoming Chancellor, Hitler addressed the issue regarding France. It can be found in #13 here: https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/indefence/idg00.html
    The result was that the Siegfried Line was built, and Germany’s border’s with France declared permanent, meaning acknowledging the loss of Alsace and Lorraine.
    Ceding former German territories to Poland was done. Even a proposal for a referendum in West Prussia, which was illegally occupied by Poland post 1918 Armistice, was proposed, indicating that he was prepared to give up on the area. There was never a demand that Galicia be returned to Austria, or other than the Sudetenland, other areas of Czechoslovakia be returned. In fact, the Munich Agreement recognized Poland’s claim to Tesin, which they had invaded prior to Germany entering the Sudetenland, which was formerly German.
    Poland was invaded, because under Smygly-Rydz, the slaughter of ethnic Germans, greatly reduced by Pilsudski, was ramped up again. Had Smygly-Rydz dealt with Danzig and the corridor issues, instead of occupying it and slaughtering ethnic Germans, there would have been no Molotov-Ribbentrop Agreement, and no invasion.
    Try this 1938 pamphlet for a different view of the world. https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/czechconspiracy/cc00.html
    How’s Trump have promise to build a wall or Obama’s affordable medical premiums turned out? Mein Kampf was an election platform. Some of it carried out, some not.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  188. Saggy says: • Website
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Serious further research and debate is needed.

    ??? Nonsense. There is not a shred of physical evidence for it, no bodies, no gas chambers disguised as shower rooms, etc., as is admitted by a prominent hoax scholar R.J.Van Pelt ….https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2009/12/27/a_case_for_letting_nature_take_back_auschwitz.html

    Ninety-nine per cent of what we know we do not actually have the physical evidence to prove . . . it has become part of our inherited knowledge. I don’t think that the Holocaust is an exceptional case in that sense. We in the future – remembering the Holocaust – will operate in the same way that we remember most things from the past. We will know about it from literature and eyewitness testimony.

    . .
    The documents, e.g. the Auschwitz Death Books, which were hidden for 50 years by the Soviets, prove there was no holohoax …And the testimony is prima facie absurd, e.g. from the most read book about the hoax, Wiesel’s ‘Night’,

    Babies were thrown into the air and used as targets by machine gunners.

    The only ‘serious’ investigations have been done by the revisionists, and there are more than enought of them already. It has been obvious to anyone interested that the holocaust is a hoax since 1976, when Butz published his book.

  189. @S

    Yep, scary dude like his buddy Beria. But are these sides just being played off against each other? Consider the following passages from the Plantation Owner’s Guidebook* and how they work together for an entirely different purpose.

    “WE SUPPORT COMMUNISM
    6. …Nowadays, with the destruction of the aristocracy, the people have fallen into the grips of merciless money-grinding scoundrels who have laid a pitiless and cruel yoke upon the necks of the workers.
    7. We appear on the scene as alleged saviors of the workers from this oppression when we propose to him to enter the ranks of our fighting forces – Socialists, Anarchists, Communists – to whom we always give support in accordance with an alleged brotherly rule (of the solidarity of all humanity)…

    “MONEY CAPITAL
    Capital, if it is to co-operate untrammeled, must be free to establish a monopoly of industry and trade: this is already put in execution by an unseen hand in all quarters of the world…
    We shall soon begin to establish huge monopolies, reservoirs of colossal riches, upon which even, large fortunes of the goyim will depend to such an extent that they will go to the bottom together with the credit of the States on the day after the political mash.

    “UNIVERSAL WAR
    3. We must be in a position to respond to every act of opposition by war with the neighbors of the country which dares to oppose us: but if these neighbors should also venture to stand collectively together against us, then we must offer resistance by a universal war.

    “In a word, to sum up our system of keeping the governments of the goyim in Europe in check, we shall show our strength to one of them by terrorist attempts and to all, if we allow the possibility of a general rising against us, we shall respond with the guns of America or China or Japan.”

    END QUOTE

    *Also known as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, circa 1904?

  190. @Nick Kollerstrom

    Nick,
    You’re talking about Christine Miller, who has two books of her own. Everyone loves her. Bill Finck made her a website free of charge, but she doesn’t use it. http://cbmiller.com/
    She’s not comfortable with computer technology. But yes, she moved to the U.S. in the 1950s for more opportunity, settled in “german” Wisconsin and became a high school German language teacher.

    Christine humorously said, growing up on her grandparents’ farm no one ever told her she was a member of a Master Race, so it was news to her!

  191. Saggy says: • Website
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Most of this is correct. But, you failed to address the central issue: why? Why was Hitler so obsessed with Jews?

    You could read Mein Kampf where he spells it out in great detail. Or, you could watch this 10 minute vid were Rabbi ben Porat explains ….


    https://www.bitchute.com/video/BFNgVpOzzQpq/

  192. Wally says:
    @Tusk

    – Hitler never referred to others as being “sub-human” as is falsely claimed by information-challenged Saker.

    – I challenge Saker to present proof for his absurd claims about “Nazi atrocities”.

    recommended:
    “Master Race” / Herrenrasse / Herrenvolk – a deliberate mistranslation: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12400

    Black American Jesse Owens, after winning his 1936 Olympic events, said:

    “When I passed the Chancellor he arose, waved his hand at me, and I waved back at him. I think the writers showed bad taste in criticizing the man of the hour in Germany.”
    and:
    “Hitler didn’t snub me, it was FDR who snubbed me. The president didn’t even send me a telegram.”

    – Jesse Owens was never invited to the White House nor bestowed any honors by Presidents Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR) or Harry S. Truman during their terms.

  193. Love the historical parts about early Russia/Ukraine, reference to Alexander Nyevsky (Sergei Eisenstein’s classic “Alexander Nyevsky” movie), reference to 14th century serfdom (when serfdom was ending in western Europe and verified by James Mitchner’s “Poland” novel) in a linked article. Thanks for the link.

    As for the supposed hatred between Roman/LatinChristians and offshoots like Protestantism and the various Orthodox Christians denominations, I got a great idea–get rid of ALL denominations! Christ, not religion! The hand, not the glove.

    As for hatred of Jews, THE walking contradiction (though Poles clearly are close in that regard…again, Mitchner’s book verifies this), they brought this upon themselves. What goes around comes around.

    I refuse to hate Jews because Christ said love your enemy (the Syn of Sat is my enemy). So come get me, Noahiders! Watch out for mountain lions.

  194. @Hegar

    description of Russia, which has always sought to invade Sweden-Finland, Poland and German lands, and the Balkans,

    Skipped geography and history classes in school? Or maybe your school never taught geography or history, having substituted both with “women studies”, or “African-American studies”, or “beaches of the United States” course?

    Find a map and locate Poltava on it. That’s where Karl XII of Sweden was defeated by Peter the Great. FYI, the distance between Stockholm and Poltava is 1511 km (939 miles) as the crow flies, a lot greater by the roads. Also, FYI, Finland was Swedish colony, not an independent country. It became independent for the first time in its history after Russia granted it independence in 1917. Poland was divided between Germany (in its various incarnations) and Russia (in its various incarnations) many times, as Poles managed to provoke both powerful neighbors simultaneously (like they do again today; loser spirit never dies). They sided with Napoleon in 1812 and were defeated with him. They tried to side with Hitler before WWII (the first Hitler’s non-aggression treaty was with Poland in 1934), but Hitler did not take them seriously. In the Balkans, Russia helped Bulgaria and Serbia gain independence from the Ottoman Empire, but never invaded those countries. In fact, Tito even successfully rebuffed Stalin’s desire to station troops in Yugoslavia, for which he was bad-mouthed in the USSR until Khrushchev took over.

    • Replies: @Tsigantes
    , @Vojkan
  195. Cowboy says:
    @JT

    Let’s assume for argument sake that the Jews were the only ethnicity specifically targeted. Who gives a fuck? Every other ethnicity suffered more losses in total than the jews and you claim special victim status? Go fuck yourself!

    • Replies: @JT
  196. seeuhay says:

    Wowa is unapologetically independent?

    • Agree: neutral
    • Replies: @anonymous
  197. @Hegar

    The Russian military was placed on the German border

    If you know what the map is, look at it. Even if that were true, USSR troops would be staged at the border with Germany-occupied Poland, not on the German border.

  198. geokat62 says:
    @John Johnson

    … even in countries like Greece where the Jews were well integrated and had practically zero influence in political affairs.

    Meet Araam Benaroya:

    Wiki entry:

    Avraam Eliezer Benaroya (Hebrew: אברהם בן-ארויה‎; 1887 – 16 May 1979) was a Jewish socialist, member of the Bulgarian Social Democratic Workers’ Party (Narrow Socialists), later leader of the Socialist Workers’ Federation in the Ottoman Empire. Benaroya played a key role in the foundation of the Communist Party of Greece in 1918

    Benaroya was born to a Sephardi Jew in Bulgaria.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avraam_Benaroya

    • Replies: @geokat62
  199. I actually bought the English version of “200 Years Together” by Alexander Solzhenitsyn on Amazon Kindle in 2017.

    It’s title is “Two Centuries Together: A Russo-Jewish History to 1972“.

    It must have been removed at the request of ADL or something because it is no longer available.

    Luckily they did not remove it from my Kindle when they removed it from Amazon.

  200. dvorak says:

    This article deserves a spot in an ‘intro to Saker’ header/footer for future Saker posts. It puts the 500 piece puzzle together for a Western reader. Thanks sir.

  201. mh505 says:

    Nazi atrocities in Russia

    It seems to me there is a lot of hearsay, not to say a fair amount of brainwash, being put forth in this and other discussions here at Unz. And I don’t see too many commenters who have actually encountered “anyone who lived through German occupation”.

    I however did, having lived and worked in Russia from the early 90s to the late 00s.

    Based in Moscow, my work-related travels covered all 11 time zones, although the main emphasis was on Western Russia up to the Urals.

    And needless to say, among the hundreds of Russians I encountered there were quite a few people from my father’s generation, at that time in their 60s and 70s. In other words, persons who DID live through the German occupation.

    Now, I am a German and in Russia easily recognizable as such. If writers and commenters such as Shamir, the Saker, “AnonFromTN” et al were to be believed, it should follow that I would have had to deal with reactions ranging from rejection to ostracism and at best unwillingness to engage; none of which happened – to my own astonishment.

    In fact, the contrary was true. These people treated me with the utmost respect, if not warmth; me, the son of a former enemy (my father fought on the Russian front).

    So based on my own experience gathered over these many years, there is no reason to follow the arguments of the aforementioned “experts”.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  202. @Nick Kollerstrom

    I was traveling home on a bus from college when I was younger, and was sitting next to an older woman who said she was from Germany. We got to talking and she said that they never heard of the extermination camps or any of it. She was very upset and said “if we had known we would have spoken out”. She was absolutely mortified that this went on and they didn’t know about it. She didn’t question the authenticity of any of the story, though. Neither did I at the time.

  203. Cleburne says:
    @susank

    Wait, Mr Saker is in Florida? I thought he was “flying in Iceland” per web site.

  204. @Ship Track

    spoofing of Iran to get her to shoot down her own jet.

    It was a Ukranian not an Iranian plane.

  205. @mh505

    Normal people do not direct their blame on innocents. Virtually no one who was guilty of Nazi atrocities in 1941-44 is alive today. Some of my ancestors (including my mother) lived through the occupation. The husband of my grandfather’s sister was executed by Nazis for the “crime” of refusing to cooperate with them. My mother and her sister hid in a remote hamlet to avoid being forcibly transported to Germany as slave labor. But should I blame Germans living today for any of that? Of course not! Only retards blame or praise whole nations, normal people blame or praise individuals for their personal misdeeds or achievements. I collaborate with a few labs in Germany, I had many German DAAD RISE summer students in my lab, had quite a few of them on my papers, so what?

    • Replies: @Wally
  206. geokat62 says:

    If any self-described anti-Semite reads these words and is absolutely outraged by what I just wrote, please also make sure to read “The Invention of the Jewish People” by Shlomo Sand” which will show to you that the very notion of “ethnicity” (whether Jewish or non-Jewish) is a modern invention with very little actual basis in history, especially in the history of multi-cultural empires. Simply put: in a culture which does not really believe in the importance of ethnicity no truly racist ideology can develop. It is really that simple!

    Oh, it’s really that simple, is it?

    Ethnicity is a modern invention? Like a social construct?

    Speaking of social constructs, are you seriously trying to convince The Dumb Goyim that the ADL of B’nai B’rith has been right, all along… that Diversity Is, indeed, Our Greatest Strength?

    So, does this mean you’re an anti-Zionist… that the Jewish people do not have a right to their ethno-state?

    Tell you what, you first try convincing Jewish Supremacists that they’re racists for desiring an ethno-state and if you succeed, you can then turn your attention to us Dumb Goyim.

    Deal?

    • Agree: Dannyboy
  207. Dannyboy says:

    history has forever created a bond between Jews and Russians: their common memory of the mass atrocities perpetuated against them by the Nazis.

    So the Saker and his fellow Russians love them some Jews, huh?

    Maybe he can gather up all that Jew filth that made its way to Florida from New York and take them back with him to Mother Russia when he decides to leave “The Great Satan”…lol

  208. anonymous[307] • Disclaimer says:
    @seeuhay

    Agree!

    Shame on Putin. Putin like Trump is a Jewish mafia servant. Don’t trust him. So Erdogan, a zionist servant pose as pro Palestinians. He like Putin and Trump is a pathological liar.

    • Agree: Ghan-buri-Ghan
  209. Dannyboy says:

    The bitter truth which folks in the West don’t like to be reminded of is that the regimes of Petain, Franco, Pavelic, Pilsudksi, etc. were all created and supported by the Papacy which, of course, also supported Bandera and his Ukronazi deathsquads.

    LOL…I really hate to say it, because I think you may have swilled a little too much vodka before scribbling this garbage, but you and the other “Russians” who buy this horseshit most certainly deserved what the Jews gave you the first time around as well as hopefully a lengthy second round in the future.

    Maybe then you’ll be able to extract your head from your ass.

    P.S. Why do you live in the West, (in Florida, of all places) Mr Saker?

  210. Robjil says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot all happened in the first Zion Century.

    It started on 12.23.1913.

    The second Jewish century started on 12.23. 5761 on the Jewish Calendar. That day in our calendar is 9.11. 2001.

    We live in odd times for the past 100 or so years.

    A very irrational time, it is Zion Age. It is bit like the Stone Age in its brutality.

    Douglas Reed’s Controversy of Zion sums how the first Zion Century began.
    The world has to return to a rational Age.

    A time of real free debates, instead of forced points of view in our Zion Age.

    Brutality comes easy in the Zion Age. The Amalek theme of attacking civilians is the main warfare tactic of the Zion Age.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  211. Really good article except for his conclusion that Russians are not racists (due to all the reasons he states) and then goes on to make a comparison to the Western Nationalist.

    I’m not a Nationalist….but…..I just don’t see where you can make a moral comparison between Russian “patriots” and Western Nationalists (WN), and condemn WN “racism” under the current climate.

    WN are currently under completely different set of circumstances; they ARE living under a Jewish Power Structure (JPS) that the White Anglo sphere has acquiesced to, although the Anglo-sphere does still hold power it is obviously waning all over the West. How else do you think London indigenous have become a minority in their main city and where a Muslim is now the Mayor who openly (see his twitter blog, although he is running for re-election and he seems to have toned down) calls for the immigration of millions more from Africa and Middle East, and Asia?

    The author really loses me on this factor. Otherwise it was good.

  212. Dannyboy says:

    Hey Mr Saker did the Man in the Pointy Hat and the Nazis do this to Russia? Or was it your Jew buddies?

    You know they made sure to take all the gold, just like they did in Spain…lol

    And you pretend to be a Christian.

  213. Mulegino1 says:
    @Pheasant

    Helped kill about 100 thousand French in Normandy too.

    Some liberation.

    I know. Every victim that counts in Hollywood is a victim of the evil “Nazis”, a hero and deserves a medal, media attention and reparations- with heavy emphasis on the latter. Every victim of the “liberation” was simply collateral damage, just as every Palestinian who has the audacity to get in the way of an IDF sniper’s bullet is a terrorist.

    As the reign of Antichrist is ushered in, the official narrative- as the outright counter to the truth- becomes more and more loathsome and unbearable.

    • Agree: Dannyboy
  214. Truth3 says:
    @JT

    Oh sorry, how many Belgians, Dutch, and French were deported for being Belgians, Dutch, and French

    The Jews were enemy aliens, having declared War on Germany in 1933.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @JT
  215. Bookish1 says:
    @John Chuckman

    True. It would take thousands of pages and much knowledge to cover them all.

  216. @GGAllin

    Since I began earning over $20/hour late in life, I’m not nearly a billionaire. Have little to no influence other than if I write something in an online forum or Tweets. It’s weird to read about “me” as an existential threat, but it’s interesting to grasp the context, of past harms done by “my people” who I pretty much don’t know any other than immediate siblings. It makes more sense than “irrational hate”.

    It’s not about YOU per se, though an average Jew, with an income of nearly 100,000, does make more than $20 an hour. The fact is powerful Jews will likely look down you as a ‘dumb Jew’. That said, rich Jews do care about lesser Jews more than rich whites care about lesser whites, and that’s something. We goyim don’t see YOU, an individual, as an ‘existential threat’. Indeed, if all or most Jews were like you, whites and Jews would likely get along. Most people want to peacefully co-exist with others, even folks of different ethnicity, in a sound and stable system. Even under Nazi rule, most German individuals were like you. They were not fire-breathing Nazi monsters. They were working stiffs who got up every morning, went to work, returned home to family, and relaxed, then did the same the next day. But Germany was then under Hitler’s rule, and Hitler could be batshit crazy. National Socialist elites guided Germanic energies towards dark ends. In a typical socio-political order, most individuals are powerless and end up serving the agenda of the rulers. So, even anti-Nazi Germans ended up working and paying taxes to support Nazism. And most Jewish individuals end up supporting Jewish Power. One reason is relative powerlessness of the masses(who are like herds of cattle without control of levers and steering wheel of power), but the other reason is most people, with free will and left to their own devices, will choose their own side(as the devil they know or feel familiar with) over the other side. Even as they know their cabal of elites are plenty flawed and even rotten, they figure its rule is preferable to being conquered and/or controlled by the other side. Even Jewish Israelis who are deeply critical of Zionist rule would rather be ruled by Jewish elites than by Arab overlords. And this is why many Jewish individuals continue to support Jewish power. Furthermore, even as they know much of it is rotten, they nevertheless feel a pride of power — the incredible fact of Jews as 2% of America controlling the greatest power in the world — and a paranoia for the Other, the potential new pogromites or ‘nazis’, if goyim were to regain elite power. Indeed, this is why Germans and Japanese also supported their regimes to the very end in WWII. What if the conquering Russians kill or rape all Germans? What if victorious Americans wipe out all Japanese?

    Also, even though a single German was like most other ‘ordinary individual’ around the world, there was a certain tendency within Germanic Teutonism to push things too far. It’s like one straw on a camel’s back is nothing, but enough of them will break its back. Even though Nazism and its horrors were not inevitable and could have been avoided(without defeat in WWI and the ensuing economic depression), there was still something powerful and irrational in German national character that, under certain circumstances, could cast a dark shadow over the world. It’s like one little flame is nothing, but if you combine the flames together, it can form into ag massive pyre that can burn down a forest.
    Same was true of Japan during WWII. Your average Japanese guy was a nice person. But there was something extreme and insane in Japanese national character that, under certain circumstances, could unleash a hellish kind of madness. It’s like there is the sane side of Yonoi in MERRY CHRISTMAS MR LAWRENCE but also the obsessive side driven by dark national mythos.
    Same with Negroes. One Negro isn’t much of a problem(though, to be sure, problem enough), but too many Negroes leads to a critical mass or critical badass of jivery, criminality, and madness.

    If a single Jew was dropped into any goy community, he would likely just get along. Much the same if just a few were dropped. But with sufficient numbers, Jews tend to go into Judeo-centric solar mode: They feel goyim must revolve around them than vice versa. They alter the gravitational dynamics between Jews and goyim. Though much smaller in number, the Jewish Covenant-mentality and pride-of-intellect provide Jews with a super-gravity-pack that can warp the relativity of political power.
    Even as a minority, they feel like they own the place and should set the agenda and tell others what to do. Look at Jewish behavior under early Bolshevism. Look at Jewish behavior in ‘capitalist’ Russia of the 1990s. Granted, Jewish chutzpah wouldn’t be so effective if not for goy goopery. Jewish culture taught Jews to be resilient and tenacious, even at the genetic level via selective mating that favored merchants and scholars. In contrast, Russian Orthodox culture and agro-centrism bred a race of people who were passive, witless, and expended most of their energies on useless diversions like swilling vodka, wrestling with bears, and dancing in such manner to blow the knees. While Jews were singing with their minds, Russians were dancing with their bodies. Guess which side gained advantage over the other?

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    So, while it’s inconceivable that a tiny number of Russians could ever gain control over a vast majority Jewish population, even a small number of Jews could gain power over Russians. It’s like a horse can’t own a man, but a man can own a horse and ride it. Indeed, Jews even gained power over Anglos, the mightiest people that ever lived, so they naturally could so easily toy with Russians. Yet, there is a certain paradox here when we consider Jews-and-Anglos and Jews-and-Slavs. How strange that, in the end, Jewish power over Anglos was more total than power over Russians(or Italians). Why would this be if Russians and Greasers have been far less impressive and competent than the Anglos? This is where corruption and lack of scruples are almost an advantage for the goyim. Anglos, being more committed to Rule of Law, meritocracy, and fair play, were bound to be more sensitive to charges of hypocrisy and dirty tricks. Also, Anglos came to revere Rule of Law as a cornerstone of their might. So, Jews could exploit Anglo Ethos and Rule of Law to gain total power over Anglos on legal and ethical grounds. But among Russkies and Greasers, legality counts for less than machinations of power. So, despite being less impressive than Anglos, Russkies have been more adept at wresting power back from the Jews by dirty means(but then Jews also used dirty means to gain power over Russians).

    Even though an average Jew is just an ordinary person, doesn’t he share the values and worldview of powerful globo-homo Jews? After all, Jews, more than any other people, support globo-homo. Jews, more than most white groups, support Diversity. If all powerful/rich Jews were to die of some disease today, and if they were replaced by average Jews as new elites, would things really be all that different? I think not. Look at Max Boot, Julia Ioffe, and the Vindman Brothers. They came to the US with little or nothing. They began as ordinary Jews. But once they gained elite positions, they’ve been working with rest of World Jewry to mess things up for white goyim. A new batch of Jewish elites would likely push for mass immigration, great replacement, White Nakba, wars for Israel, cold war on Russia, hate-war on Iran, promotion of ‘white guilt’, total blind support for Israel, and etc. Now, YOU yourself may be an atypical Jew of a more pro-white and ‘conservative’ bent. But most ORDINARY Jews voted for Obama and Hillary. Most Jews hate Trump, and even most of those on his side are merely using him to serve Zionism 200% than merely 100%. Alan Dershowitz hasn’t any good will toward Trump and Deplorables. He’s such a fanatical Zionist that he figures Trump is more useful to the Israeli agenda.

    Since middle school, I grew up in a suburb with many Jews, and most of them were nice people. As individuals, I’d say they were generally better, or preferable(and conscientious on the personal level), than most other groups, such as Scotch-Irish hillbillies, ‘dumb Polacks’, messy Mexicans, haggly Hindus, trashy Irish, doglike yellows, and of course, the ghastly Negroes. As individuals they are nice people, but over the years I’ve learned most of them are for globalism, great replacement of white goyim, exploiting collective ‘white guilt’, pushing jungle fever, and the like. Also, their hypocrisy on political matters amazes me. Most are staunch Zionist nationalists, but they denigrate nationalist feeling among goyim. They incessantly yammer about ‘white guilt’ about blacks but expect whites to support Zionist tyranny over Palestinians. They go on and on about Shoah but never face up to Jewish role in 20th century historical ‘crimes’. And they push globo-homo. Most voted for Obama and think pushing jungle fever on white women is the greatest thing while they talk about Arabs and Palestinians as near-animals who should be pushed out of Greater Israel. I know this from personal conversations. So, even though a Jewish individual can be a nice person, associate, or friend, his political attitudes, combined with those of other Jews, signal danger to the well-being of goyim.
    I mean, isn’t there something truly rotten in how Jews, the most privileged and powerful(and over-represented people in elite circles), berate whites for ‘white privilege’? Isn’t it lowdown for Jews to say Americanism is about colorblindness but then insisting ALL Americans must support Zionist-Israelis over Palestinians and Iranians? If the US must be a colorblind nation and fair broker among all peoples, why this supremacist outlook that favors Jews uber alles?

    Even though your average person, Jew or otherwise, is different from members of the elite, the fact is elite outlooks don’t come from nowhere. Often, they spring from the national character of the people. After all, Jews didn’t land on American shores as elites. Many of them came with little or nothing. So, most members of today’s Jewish elites have humble origins and rose from the bottom. So, that means their elite attitudes are, to a large extent, an expression of something intrinsic to Jewishness. Same with blacks. If all elite blacks were to die this moment and be replaced by ordinary blacks, the result would be much the same because black jiggity-ness has roots in core blackness. Blacks who write for the New York Times just offer a fancier and more haute version of, “Yo, I want all the blings and shit.”

    I never read the Talmud.

    I believe you, but you don’t have to read the thing to be affected by it. Talmudic attitudes and outlook have seeped into so much of Jewish life that, even without having read it, many Jews live it in so many Jews(and this true of secular as well as religious Jews). It’s like most communists never read Das Kapital but its ideas defined so much of communist life. And plenty of Christians, incredible as it may sound, never read all(or any) of the New Testament, not least because so many goyim were illiterate over the ages. But its tenets still colored many aspects of their lives.

    In a way, the problem now is less with Jews than with goyim. Instead of trying to make Jews be like goyim, we should try to make goyim be like Jews. Why should Jews want to be like goyim when so many goyim are so stupid and pathetic? Arabs can’t get their act together. Japanese have tentacle porn as culture. Russians are lazy drunkards. Mexicans are garbage-tossing tards. Even the once great Germans and Anglos are castrated cucks. So, why should Jews try to be like them? No, we should all strive to be like Jews. Now, this isn’t easy because most goyim don’t have Jewish intelligence. But they can still emulate the next most potent thing about Jews: Chutzpah and covenant. Whites must think like Sean Connery in UNTOUCHABLES, written by Jewish David Mamet no less. If the enemy brings a knife to a fight, you bring a gun. If they push, you push back harder.

    The problem is goyim hasn’t been pushing back against Jews. When Jews push, goyim must push back. Also, Jews got the Covenant that says they have a special contract with the ultimate power. The problem with Christianity and Islam is their versions of the ‘covenant’ are too bland and broad, shared with too large a population. I mean how can whites preserve their unique identity and power if their Christo-Covenant must be shared with Negroes, yellows, browns, and etc? No, just like Jews have a JEWISH covenant, whites must have a WHITE covenant, and this will require a white man of prophetic power who communes with the ultimate power and then brings this truth to his people. (Imagine what Hitler might have been capable of if he’d spoken for all whites, Germanics and Slavs and Latins and even pro-white Jews, instead of just for the Nordics and ‘Aryans’.) He must be a river to his people. But do whites have a prophetic soul? Maybe the Germans once did. After all, unlike Greeks and Romans who lacked the Big Picture and emphasized individualism — on grounds that after you died, you just ended up in Hades and that was that — , Germanic mythology had a grand vision of fate and destiny whereby all the great warriors of Valhalla would unite once again to fight the final battle. It was such bigness of vision that made impassioned Germans the greatest musical composers. And it’s no wonder that Richard Wagner and Nietzsche were both Germans. And it was Jews in Germanosphere who developed the most powerful ideas, even if dangerous. Could French or Italian culture have produced a Marx? (Also, it was the German quasi-prophet Martin Luther who altered the history of Christianity with a defiant vision of his own.) Jews have long had prophetic power, but this was magnified under Germanic influence. Granted, the problem with Germanic prophecy was its excessive doom-and-gloom, a fatalistic nihilism that unsurprisingly led to the hyper-Wagnerian excesses of Hitler. The awesome side of Hitler couldn’t have been possible if he were moderate, but a bit of moderation could have saved National Socialism from itself.

    Now, goyim can’t be smart like Jews just because they want to be. But even the un-smart can work on chutzpah and covenant. After all, even the idiot Arabs produced a great prophet in the figure of Muhammad. White folks need a White Muhammad who attains the covenant for his people. As Meat Loaf said, two out of three ain’t bad. Blacks are proof that chutzpah goes a long way(and homos are proof of the power of Poopchutespah). Even though blacks don’t make much sense, they always push back when they are criticized. Jews easily run roughshod over apologetic whites, but even a bunch of angry Jews can’t make Al Sharpton budge because the wildass Negro hollers back. And look how Ace Rothstein is frozen with fear when Nicky Santoro uses greaser-chutzpah on him. Anglos were never up for that kind of push-back. This is why Jews run circles around Anglo-types in Marx Brothers movies. But imagine what would happen if Groucho and Chico tried to do a number on Nicky Santoro or Tommy(in GOODFELLAS). If Anglo elites had talked to Jews like Nicky does with Ace Rothstein, they’d still have the power. But they had to keep their ‘dignity’ at all costs. Now, dignity, or true dignity, is about standing your ground with integrity and pushing back against BS. It’s not about staying ‘clean’ by the art of ‘reputation’. For Anglos, ‘dignity’ really means haute status, and that’s why they focus on perception than conviction. So, if the New Normal says globo-homo is the New Dignity, Anglos immediately go along with that to maintain their conceit of ‘dignity’. They regard ‘dignity’ as dress and gown than body and soul. Look how Charles Murray the bald-headed cuck-fool supported ‘gay marriage’ when it became the fashionable thing among elites. In contrast, even though blacks are dumber and poorer than whites, they hold their own against Jews because they push back and possess a special sense of black covenant called FOABP, or Fear of a Black Planet to scare ‘honkeys’ with, though one might call it POTA or Planet of the Africans.

    There are two kinds of people in the world. Owners and the owned. Masters and Slaves. Masters own, slaves are owned. When we consider the Jewish Worldview, it is to be owners of the world. But before you own others, you must own yourself. You must see yourself as special, not a commodity to be traded. And your people must treat others of the tribe as fellow owners. Jews developed this sense via the Covenant that said even the lowest humble Jew was equally precious in the eyes of God the Almighty who didn’t favor some Jew simply because he was richer than others. Thus, every Jew, even a lowly Jew, felt that he owned himself as a human. He wasn’t owned by others. The only power that owns him is God. In contrast, goy orders were made of masters and slaves. Masters owned the slaves, the minions, the rabble who had no autonomous self-worth. (Also, the elites felt as owners ONLY IF they retained political/military power over the minions. Without worldly power, they felt as worthless.) So, only the elites felt as owners whereas the masses felt as the owned. This was Russia under the Tsars. The Tsar was the master, albeit supposedly a benevolent patriarch, over the masses of Russians who were deemed childlike and cattle-like. Most Russians felt owned by the Tsar and the nobility, and this mentality lingered even after serfdom was abolished. It is then hardly surprising that a single Jew in Russia had 100x the confidence and will-power of an average Russian. Communism didn’t help matters. Though it spoke of liberation, Russians just became owned by the Iron State ruled by the likes of Lenin and Stalin as new master-owners.

    In contrast to Russia/USSR, the US imbued its citizens with the sense of ownership. And yet, even this couldn’t stand up to Jewish power because Anglo-American concept of ownership was centered on individuality, dry letter of the law, property rights, and opportunity. In other words, it was bound to lead to atomization and the Coming Apart along class lines. Also, the excessive emphasis on property rights meant that consumers obsessed with commodities could themselves become human commodities whose only value is economic or GDP-related. No wonder we hear stuff like, “Great Replacement is okay as long as economic activity goes up.” Also, excessive materialist-individualism meant that rich Americans would feel as winners or uber-masters, while poorer Americans would feel as abject ‘losers’ or servant-class.
    If whites had a Jewishy concept of ownership that was essentially tribal, cultural, historical, and spiritual, they would be in a much better shape. For one thing, they would be united as a people on grounds that all whites, regardless of class, would be considered as brethren within the white family with shared destiny. Such a rich cultural sense of ownership would mean that even a poor white owns something of great historical-spiritual value, something that cannot be priced with dollars. But the soulless materialist concept of ownership in the US means that the haves feel like masters(as long as they keep on ‘having’) while have-nots feel like slaves or ‘losers’. It’s like what Kurt Vonnegut said.

    https://twitter.com/ramzpaul/status/1225814073679450112/photo/1

    Jews are owners twofold in the US. As the wealthiest group, they own so much of America. But as Covenant-ists, they feel that they own themselves. They are their own people with a deep and rich history. Indeed, even when Jewish immigrants arrived on American soil with little or nothing, they still felt that they owned themselves, not by goyim no matter how richer the goyim may have been. You see this in the Bible too. Even when Hebrews are held captive by more powerful groups, Jews feel they own their own souls. If any Being owns them, it’s God and only Him. This is in stark contrast to the Japanese Way where nearly everyone felt he was owned by someone higher. The essence of Japanese-ness was to serve. To serve the master than be a master. And besides, even being a master meant one had to serve a higher master with absolute devotion. ‘Bushi’, the term for samurai, means ‘to serve’. So, when we compare Jews and Japanese in the US, the difference couldn’t be starker. Jews feel they own themselves(and even feel that they should own the silly inferior goyim). But Japanese-Americans are happy to be owned by the dominant power. Look at Francis Fukuyama, that worthless spineless cuck-servant before the Jewish globo-homo masters. He’s like the Japanese after World War II who groveled at the feet of General MacArthur as the New Shogun. Of course, it was right for Japan to surrender as they couldn’t continue with the war effort, but did they have to grovel before the power that had so utterly crushed them? Even if Israel were to face defeat and be conquered by the Other, Jews won’t grovel. They will smile, shake hands, and pretend to go along, but they will not surrender their sense of ownership to the Other. Indeed, even after Exile in Roman Times, Jews never lost their sense of spiritual ownership of the Holy Land. That is the difference between Jews and Japanese. This is why, even though Israel is a much smaller nation than Japan, it is getting stronger while Japan is dying. Even as Jews spread globalization to goy nations to destroy them, they maintain total Jewish ownership of Jewish homeland, Jewish bodies, and Jewish history. In contrast, the hapless Japanese cucks, in total obeisance to their globalist overlords, are committing massive harakiri, also true of other East Asian nations with the possible exception of China. Japanese surrendered their Narrative to the West, and Japanese regard their women as sex toys as pornography is a big feature of their ‘culture’. It’s a nation of plastic toys than soulful humans.

    White people used to feel as owners in America. They owned their bodies and souls. They owned their narratives, icons & idols, and the land. They conquered it, they claimed it, they built it, and they kept it. They sometimes owned other peoples, especially the blacks as slaves, but the idea of white folks being owned by the Other, or White Slavery, was anathema to white pride and dignity. And this was due to White Race-ism, the greatest thing in American history. White Race-ism was the glue, the bond, and a kind of emotional sub-covenant that held white folks together.
    But the over-emphasis on individualism, materialism, and universalism eventually frayed this sense of white unity of ownership of body, soul, and land. Individualism led to atomization, an excessive focus on me-as-winner than we-as-owners. So, if a white individualist could betray his own kind and cut a deal to make money, he did just that. So many whites became a bunch of Mitt Romneys. Materialism meant that the essence of life was to buy stuff. So, one’s value was tied to consumer goods and services. That meant one had no value unless attached to some hedonistic-economic activity. In other words, if electricity were to go out, a white person would have no value, no reason to live. And all this talk of universalism meant that white bodies, white lands, white wealth, and even white history could be owned by others. So, we got jungle fever and Afro-Colonization-of-White-Wombs. We have white-built sports taken over by blacks who now reign as heroes and idols of whites; this means whites are owned by black demigods in fantasy, recreation, and entertainment. Whites used to protect their heroes from the Other. So, white sports kept out blacks, the tougher race. But individualism and universalism undermined white race-ism and paved the way for black supremacism. This has been crucial because the most impressionable things in peoples memories are the peak moments of thrill. People ignore or forget most things in their daily lives and remember only the most exciting moments. It’s like we look at peaks of mountains than at slopes or valleys. As blacks took over the peaks of sports, pop music, and sexualized culture, most whites conflate blackness with peak thrills of life. Whites don’t even own their heroes. As the demigod heroes are of the Other, it’s like blacks own the sensations of whites. And as black entertainers and athletes are owned by Jewish moguls, it’s like Jews own whites two-fold. They own the blacks who own the whites-as-hapless-cucky-wucks.
    With the fading of white race-ism, whites can no longer claim ownership of white lands, even in Europe. Whites are not owners but mere commodities. White lands can be claimed by anyone, and white people can be declared obsolete or ‘antique’ and replaced by new people as new cattle, new pets, or new furniture. The rise of pornification of society means whites have gone from owners to the owned. Look at Miley Cyrus and other creatures of Jewish-run Disney, now a shikse-whore-factory. They are not humans but commodities, sex dolls. And white people accept this because they don’t even own their minds. Indeed, white minds are now mere extensions of Jewish-owned electronic media. If Jews say ‘gay marriage is holy’, white minds hooked to Jewish-owned TV nod along. Even the white religion of Christianity has been owned and altered by Jews into worship of Globo-Homo as so many churches now are essentially about worship of Sodomy and tranny-penis-cutting than anything else. (But then, the fact that whites had been converted in such huge numbers to Christianity, a religion originating from the Other, suggests whites are easily owned. Incapable of creating a prophetic vision of their own, they surrendered their souls to a Jew as Son of God.)
    Now, imagine Arabs in Israel controlling prostitution & pornography and using Jewish women as sex meat for Arab men, Palestinian men, and Negro men. Jews would be outraged that another group is treating Jewish women as objects to be owned and exploited. They would see it as Arabs treating Jews like commodities. But Jews apparently see nothing wrong with treating whites that way. Worse, if whites a hundred years ago would have been shocked and offended by Jews using whites in such manner, white cuck-maggots of today are sheepishly resigned to the fate of existing to be owned, bought/sold, and ordered around by Jewish Power. Even Donald Trump, who’d been harassed by Jewish Power from day one, is totally owned by Jews and do their bidding, like killing Soleimani, a proud man who is NOT owned by Jews. (And of course, young white men in the US military don’t fight to defend America as a nation they own. No, they are mere mercenary goons owned by Jewish Power that sends them to slaughter Arabs and Muslims for the glory of Zion that owns almost all US politicians who are worthless toadies.) Indeed, it seems as if owned white fools like Trump and John McCain are envious of goyim who are not owned. No wonder McCain barked so loudly at Vladimir Putin. No wonder Trump took out Soleimani, a painful reminder to cuck-dogs like The Donald that indeed a goy can be his own master and not be owned by Jewish supremacists.
    Under Sorosian Jewish Supremacism, a white man in Europe who says his nation belongs to his own people is now a ‘far rightist’, but at the same time, all European elites are expected to say Israel belongs to Jews and Jews only. So, Jews are to be admired and supported as Owners whereas whites must resign themselves to Owned status. Indeed, it’s gotten to the point where whites can’t even own their own history as justification for owning their lands. Under Jewish control, white narratives are being taken away from white hands and rewritten by Jews, white cuck-scribes, and blacks into a ‘Diversity’ narrative. In other words, Swedes have no ownership of historical narrative to buttress territorial ownership of their land because… uh… the Vikings were black and shit. Right, and because some European merchants visited China and India, those Asian lands belong just as much to whites as to yellows and browns. Can you imagine anyone in China or India falling for that bull? But then, Japan seems falling for it as it’s just a cuck-wussy colony of the US that is a cuck-wussy colony of the Empire of Judea.

  217. @Philip Owen

    WWII was WWII rather than Eastern European War CCXXI because the British Empire declared War on Germany, As did the French. Don’t blame the USSR.

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  218. Seraphim says:
    @Truth3

    How many deported Jews were not German citizens, French citizents, Dutch citizens, Belgian citizens. Deportation affected Jewish refugees from Poland, Russia.

  219. Sean says:
    @Saggy

    But what began in 1941 was a process of destruction not planned in advance, not organized centrally by any agency

    But Hitler had explicitly and publicly threatened to exterminate European Jews in 1939. As my previous comment cited multiple sources for, in Nov 1941, less than a week after he decalred war on America Hitler

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Ohlendorf#Nuremberg_trials

    During the Einsatzgruppen trial, Ohlendorf was the chief defendant, and was also a key witness in the prosecution of other indicted war criminals. Ohlendorf’s apparently reliable testimony was attributed to his distaste for the corruption in Nazi Germany and a stubborn commitment to duty. Ohlendorf [had] reported to his men that “from now on the Jewish question is going to be solved and that means liquidation”.[33] From that month forward, the Einsatzgruppen had begun the process of systematically shooting not just men but women and children, a transition that historian Peter Longerich terms “a decisive step on the way towards a policy of racial annihilation”.[…]Defending his actions, Ohlendorf compared the Einsatzgruppen actions to the Biblical Jewish extirpation of its enemies; he likewise claimed that his firing squads were “no worse than the ‘press-button killers’ who dropped the atom bomb on Japan”.[54]

    There has never been any question that the Jews in the East not being killed without regard to age or sex. Hitlers November 1941 order was that the Jews of all occupied territories and Germany itself should all be killed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reich_Chancellery_meeting_of_12_December_1941

    The announcement Hitler made on 12 December to the Reichsleiter and Gauleiter refers to an earlier statement he had made on 30 January 1939:

    If the world of international financial Jewry, both in and outside of Europe, should succeed in plunging the Nations into another world war, the result will not be the Bolshevization of the world and thus a victory for Judaism. The result will be the extermination of the Jewish race in Europe.[1]

    With the entry of Japan and the United States into the Second World War on 7 December 1941 and the resulting declaration of war on the US by Nazi Germany on 11 December… the meeting took place in private rooms rather than Hitler’s office, no official record of it exists. However, entries in the diaries of Joseph Goebbels and Hans Frank confirm it.[3] Goebbels made the following entry in his diary for 12 December:

    Regarding the Jewish Question, the Führer has decided to make a clean sweep. He prophesied to the Jews that, if they yet again brought about a world war, they would experience their own annihilation. That was not just a phrase. The world war is here, and the annihilation of the Jews must be the necessary consequence.

    • Disagree: thotmonger, neutral
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    , @Saggy
  220. Wally says:
    @AnonFromTN

    – What alleged “Nazi atrocities in 1941-44” are you talking about?

    – Where, when, how many, and how?

    – Of course you do realize that vast amounts of human remains are claimed to exist in known locations for these alleged “Nazi atrocities in 1941-44”, don’t you?

    – Please show us the claimed immense human remains that are alleged … if you can.

    Predictably, I see you failed to mention the massive Soviet / Communist forced transports of “slave labor” to their factories and concentration camps.

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    , @refl
  221. Anonymous[218] • Disclaimer says:

    Russians are scum who despise Anglos, don’t make the mistake of thinking you can talk reasonably with them and they will sympathise with our point of view.

    Most Russians want nothing more than the destruction of the Anglo world, this idea many right wing Anglos have that Russia would be happy to peacefully co-exist and co-operate with a “based” Anglosphere is delusional. They would no doubt like Russia to take the Anglosphere’s place in the world first and foremost, but they would be happy to see China take over. Anything but the US and UK as far as they’re concerned.

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  222. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:

    Israeli soldiers deliberately kill Gazan children, Israeli General reveals

    Israeli occupation forces have killed 47 Palestinian children and wounded 3,696 others since the start of protests of Great March of Return and Breaking the Siege on 30 March 2018.
    https://ppost24.com/post/656/israeli-soldiers-deliberately-kill-gazan-children-israeli-general

    Israeli Reserve General Zvika Vogel has said that Israeli occupation forces stationed at eastern fence of Gaza deliberately kill Palestinian children based on clear killing orders.
    Vogel’s remarks are considered as a condemnation that can be submitted to International Criminal Court in order to prosecute Israel.
    The last Palestinian child who was intentionally murdered by the Israeli occupation snipers at the eastern Gaza fence was Mohammad Ayoub, 15.
    Ayoub was killed last Friday east of the southern Gaza city of Jabalya during his participation in the Great March of Return.
    The Israeli sniper shot him while he was running away from the Israeli heavy tear gas along with other group of children.

  223. JT says:

    Wrong on many fronts.

    International Red Cross visited one single camp – Theresienstadt Ghetto.

    Some Zionists in Germany worked with Hitler’s regime in the 1930s. These some were marginal figures. Not one figure of any importance, not one representative from a single significant Zionist organization. At no point whatsoever was there intent to genocide other Jews.

    That you are not aware of extermination camps is testament to your ignorance.

  224. Wally says:
    @Sean

    – Zionist controlled Wikipedia as a source for anything concerning Jews? LOL
    see: Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189
    How Israel and Its Partisans Work to Censor the Internet: https://www.unz.com/article/how-israel-and-its-partisans-work-to-censor-the-internet/?highlight=wikipedia

    – I note that you do not use the authentic German documents. We know why.
    Instead you quote someone’s alleged English ‘translations’ which in fact alter the German text originals to say what was not said. Typical.
    On Hitler:

    “we’ve often fantasized about drawing up an indictment against Adolf Hitler himself. And to put into that indictment the major charge: the Final Solution of the Jewish question in Europe, the physical annihilation of Jewry. And then it dawned upon us, what would we do? We didn’t have the evidence.”

    – so called “holocaust historian” Raul Hilberg

    – Per your Ohlendorf lie*, the fraudulent ‘holocau$t’ Industry now claims that ca. 2,000,000 Jews were shot by the Einsatzgruppen into huge pits, the enormous mass graves & human remains are claimed to exist in specifcally known places.
    So, is that:
    100 graves of 20,000? 200 graves of 10,000? 400 graves of 5,000? 500 graves of 4,000? 1000 graves of 2000? 2000 graves of 1000? No such remains exist.

    – I also note that you ignore real German documents which state that the ‘Jewish question’ is to be settled after the war, see:
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/?showcomments#comment-2487568

    * recommended:
    ‘The Einsatzgruppen Trial’ / from the journal, Inconvenient History: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11791
    former Einsatzgruppen Members Reject Bizarre Claims of Mass Shootings / Babi Yar, etc.:
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11396

  225. Saggy says: • Website
    @Sean

    I suppose a diary entry by the Minister of Propaganda did not constitute sufficient evidence of an order for mass extermination for Hilberg.

    Additional, later, entries to Goebbel’s diary …..

    On 18 December 1941, Goebbels’s diary stated that “I speak with the Führer regarding the Jewish Question. He is determined to take consistent action and not be deterred by bourgeois sentimentality. Above all, the Jews must leave the Reich (aus…heraus). […] The Jews should all be pushed off (abgeschoben) to the East. We are not very interested in what becomes of them after that.”[29]

    On 30 May 1942, Goebbels’s diary stated that “the Führer does not at all wish that the Jews should be evacuated (evakuiert) to Siberia. There, under the harshest living conditions, they would undoubtedly develop again a strong life-element. He would much prefer to resettle (aussiedeln) them in central Africa. There they would live in a climate that would certainly not make them strong and resistant. In any case, it is the Führer’s goal to make Western Europe completely Jew-free. Here they may no longer have their homeland.”[14]

    On 1 October 1942, Goebbels’s diary stated that “I drive back to the Chancellery with the Führer. Once again we talk through the Jewish Question. Here the Führer takes the same radical standpoint I do. He is also of the opinion that we must completely deport the Jews out of the Reich (restlos herausschaffen), and above all from Berlin.”[14]

    On 3 January 1943, Goebbels’s diary referred to “the Führer’s prophecy” (see the section on the 1939 Reichstag speech). The entry thus refers to “the Führer’s prophecy, when he explained at the beginning of the war that it would not end with the destruction (Vernichtung) of the Aryan race, but with the expulsion (Austreibung) of Jewry from Europe.”[14]

    • Replies: @Sean
  226. @Wally

    Where, when, how many, and how?

    I am not doing stats. I know that among ~10-12 members of my mother’s extended family, one was shot by the Nazis for refusal to collaborate with them, and one was forcibly transported to Germany as slave labor. All this happened within ~1.5 years when their town was occupied. So, when the Red Army pushed Germans out, they were happy and saw it as liberation, as the life under occupation was much worse than the life under Stalin.

    My father fought Nazis, got wounded twice and decorated several times. His brother also fought, got wounded and decorated. The husband of one of his sisters was killed by Nazis at the front. Both their patents ended up on the occupied territory and were murdered by Nazis (within a bit more than two years of occupation). There was no one to ask why: their neighbors were also murdered by Nazis.

    As to Soviet regime, in 24 years (1917-1941) one member of my extended family was arrested and later shot by the Soviets, and two (out of five) children of a maternal grandfather twice removed died when the family was turned out of their house in the middle of winter as “kulaks”. My grandparents saved them and their three remaining children. Were never repressed for that.

    So, I only go by what I know myself, the history of my ancestors. That history tells me that Nazis were much worse monsters than Bolsheviks.

    Soviet / Communist forced transports of “slave labor” to their factories

    Western ignorance is boundless. Even when a Westerner sincerely wants to say something bad about the Soviet system, ignorance hampers him/her. FYI, one of the worst features of Stalin’s system after forced collectivization was that peasants were essentially in bondage: they did not have passports that would allow them to move elsewhere. Therefore, whenever they had a chance to move to factory work, they saw it as an opportunity to get a passport and thus get out of bondage. They went to factories and new construction projects not just voluntarily, but eagerly: that was their chance for some freedom. But Western morons wouldn’t know that, they would repeat BS fed them by the imperial propaganda. Pathetic.

    For the equally ignorant: Soviet peasants got passports and the right to move only under Khrushchev, in late fifties.

    • Replies: @Saggy
    , @Wally
    , @Bert
    , @Fox
  227. JT says: • Website
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    You’re wrong. Read the memos from the Conference. The discussion is one of sterilization. Means, methods, objectives.

    Entire Jewish population is to be sterilized.

    Again, find one other single group Nazis singled out in this manner.

    ON Haavara agreement, you’re making a mountain out of a molehill, a pre-war affair, and a uniquelly German one at that.

    • Replies: @Wally
  228. @AnonFromTN

    The rest is for the less brainwashed readers. Don’t you think that Russians who actually live or lived in Russia (Saker is not one, to the best of my knowledge) know the reality from more reliable sources that imperial propaganda?

    No, they don’t, and here’s why: Russians are brainwashed to this day about their own history. Take Panilov’s 28. The Soviet government itself admitted it was a hoax but that didn’t stop the Russian movie industry from making a movie about it and presenting it as fact a few years ago. Tell a Russian that Panilov’s 28 was a lie that even their own government admitted to and they get childishly angry at you just the way you do.

    What makes you think that a highly corrupt and totally Jewish-run state like Russia teaches its citizens accurate history, especially when it was notorious for jailing dissidents?

    No Russian who had ancestors (parents or grandparents) live through Nazi occupation would believe fairy tales about nice Germans.

    I had relatives live through German occupation in the East and they talked about how professional the Germans were compared to the Bolsheviks.

    No Russian who lived in Russia would believe lies about tens of millions killed by Bolsheviks.

    lol apart from Solzhenitsyn and Josef Dyadkin? They still find mass graves in the USSR to this day. Not so with “Nazi atrocities.”

    The claims of rape are even more ridiculous.

    Why, because you say so? Russians gloat about it to this day.

    • Replies: @L.K
  229. JT says: • Website
    @Cowboy

    Who gives a fuck?

    Who gives a fuck about anyone’s losses at any point in anything?

    Nihilism.

    Either you care about historical accuracy or you don’t.

    Every other ethnicity suffered more losses in total than the jews

    which one? which ethnicity suffered more than the Jews in total? Cite me some numbers, broken down into nationality. Then tell me why as long as they were ready to collaborate with Hitler, they were not only spared, they were allowed to collaborate.

    Hitler singled out Jews. Singled them out for extermination. There is no precedent for this. As such, even if only 1 Jew was killed in all of WWII, nothing would change about the uniquely evil, anti-Semitic nature of the Nazis.

  230. JT says: • Website
    @Truth3

    By what magic declaration had the “Jews” declared war on Germany? Through a book? Two books? A speech? Because some leader somewhere declared a boycott, declared themselves sworn enemies of the regime?

    Do you tremble when the Pope declares war on someone? Where are his armies?

    Where were “Jewish” armies?

    you are putting your hatred before the horse. You’re assuming because you hate Jews, they must be hated, they must be feared, they are fearsome, command gigantic power and armies, and must be eliminated.

    it’s a sick fantasy. The Nazis were fucking maniacs, and some of you can’t fucking own up to it.

    • Troll: anarchyst
    • Replies: @Truth3
    , @neutral
  231. Saggy says: • Website
    @AnonFromTN

    My father fought Nazis, got wounded twice and decorated several times. His brother also fought, got wounded and decorated. The husband of one of his sisters was killed by Nazis at the front. Both their patents ended up on the occupied territory and were murdered by Nazis (within a bit more than two years of occupation). There was no one to ask why: their neighbors were also murdered by Nazis.

    Because you have regurgitated absurd lies about supposed orders by Hitler to exterminate the Jews, your credibility is zero. Hence these stories about which you have no evidence and zero first hand knowledge are absolutely worthless and are probably deliberate lies made up by you or your ancestors.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Mike P
  232. @Saggy

    I said from the outset that what I write is not for the hopelessly brainwashed. So, quit reading.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  233. Mike P says:
    @Saggy

    Because you have regurgitated absurd lies about supposed orders by Hitler to exterminate the Jews, your credibility is zero. Hence these stories about which you have no evidence and zero first hand knowledge are absolutely worthless and are probably deliberate lies made up by you or your ancestors.

    I detest and despise Team Russia’s refusal to face historical facts just as much as you do, but I don’t think AnonFromTN would stoop to telling lies about his own family, just in order to score points in an argument with strangers on the internet.

    It is certain that Ukrainians and Russians were brought to Germany as slave labourers. Imagine a situation of, say, 5 German guards trying to round up some 50 Russians. Some of the Russians protest and refuse. How do the German guards deal with it? Shooting one to “encourage the others” seems just about the only option. I don’t mean to defend the practice; I’m simply saying that I find Anon’s story plausible.

    • Replies: @Saggy
    , @L.K
  234. Smooth Talking Mr Saker .. but not entirely thruthfull …
    You see.. over 3 million JEWS left the Sovjet Union from approx 1950ties and onwards.. there remained about 2-300.000 in all.
    Whoptie … and the ancient Jewish Problem of Russia was solved… finally :
    THEY HAD LEFT .. they fled from their Nomenclatura existances and Crimes
    .. and Russia has since then been able to rise like fowl Phoenix after ridding itself of its Jewish Stranglehold …
    A few Billionaires and some Jewish Maffia elements remained .. but otherwise Russia finally obtained PEACE from this obnoxious and destabilizing Lot.
    Unfortunately these fleeing Jews went to the USA , Europe and ofc Israel where they have wrecked HAVOC … ever since ..
    Therefore You have easy speaking .. Mr Saker .. and Your Talk is .. as merntioned
    .. NOT ENTIRELY HONEST !

    You may consult ” The Jewish Century ” by Yuri Slezkine , jewish Emigree from Russia , Professor of Russian History , UCLA , California for the numbers

    • Replies: @Nonny Mouse
  235. @Jean de Peyrelongue

    Germany was “searching for space” in part because she had lost a vast amount of “space” as a result of WW1. Without that war or without the war loss the German mindset would not have been aiming to get “space,” would it?

    • Thanks: nokangaroos
  236. @JT

    Nonsense. But even assuming it were true how could Jews possibly claim they were the only people in history uniquely targeted for extermination when they have been doing exactly the same thing to Palestinians for decades? To Orthodox Christians in Russia from 1917?

  237. @kikl

    Hitler thought that Germany was not able to feed itself, especially being restricted in exports by the victors in WWI. He did not anticipate the intensification of agriculture. Therefore the perceived need for Lebensraum

  238. There are additional Misrepresentations of History in Your narrative ..
    Mr Saker .. You constantly get carried away by Your relatively Newfound Russian Patriotism !

    Recall ..You and Your Family FLED the SOVJET UNION once upon a time .. even AFTER WW 2..
    apparantly there was something You did NOT like ..over there
    Neither did I .. and I dont blame You !
    On this You and HITLER were in complete agreement !
    But Your CLAIM that National Socialist Germany viewed Russians as ” UNTERMENSCHEN ” is blatantly false … They did NOT !
    They abhorred .. just like You … the JEWISH COMMISARS and POLITRUCKS which ruled the Sovjet Union ! And they intended to FREE Russia from its JEWISH Yoke.
    Thats why approximately 2 Million Russians fought on the side of Hitler Germany during WW 2.

    Ofc I understand where You are coming from …
    By Your accusations You want to relieve RUSSIANS from their GUILT toward the Germans ..
    You want to gloss over and excuse the ATROCITIES committed by The SOVJET VICTORS against the Germans …
    THAT is unforgivable ! And it characterizes You also on this Issue as DISHONEST …

  239. Wally says:
    @AnonFromTN

    said:
    “I am not doing stats.”

    – Of course not, you’re just dodging. But hey, like a True Believer, you just “know”.
    – IOW, you cannot support the propaganda of “Nazi atrocities in 1941-44”. You would be laughed out of a legit court of law with such nonsense.

    said:
    “My father fought Nazis, got wounded twice and decorated several times. His brother also fought, got wounded and decorated. The husband of one of his sisters was killed by Nazis at the front. Both their patents ended up on the occupied territory and were murdered by Nazis (within a bit more than two years of occupation). There was no one to ask why: their neighbors were also murdered by Nazis. ”

    – Yes, WWII was real and people were killed.
    – As for their parents, you have no proof they were “murdered”, you just “believe”.

    said:
    “So, I only go by what I know myself, the history of my ancestors. That history tells me that Nazis were much worse monsters than Bolsheviks.”

    – Indeed, if your “ancestors” led you to believe in witchcraft, then by your curious reasoning, witchcraft is real.
    – Your problem is that when challenged you cannot prove “that Nazis were much worse monsters than Bolsheviks.”

    said:
    ” But Western morons wouldn’t know that, they would repeat BS fed them by the imperial propaganda. Pathetic. ”

    – Pure projection. It is you, as I have demonstrated, that sucks up propaganda. You faithfully cling to what you cannot prove. That’s correctly called a religion and you’re a True Believer. Now that is “pathetic”.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  240. Wally says:
    @JT

    said:
    “You’re wrong. Read the memos from the Conference. The discussion is one of sterilization. Means, methods, objectives. ”

    LOL
    – Such a blatant lie, plus you have not produced any such “memos”.
    – And ofcourse, Germany simply did not do it. Ah.

    – The Wannsee Conference, facts vs. fiction”

    The Wannsee Conference Protocol, Anatomy of a Fabrication
    By Johannes Peter Ney : https://codoh.com/library/document/934/?lang=en
    and: https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=wannsee
    Wannsee Conference minutes debunked: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1647
    A fresh look at the Wannsee Conference minutes.: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11741

    “The public still repeats, time after time, the silly story that at Wannsee the extermination of the Jews was arrived at. ”

    – Yehuda Bauer, an Israeli professor of “holocaust studies”

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
    , @JT
  241. Fox says:

    The first Sidebar in the article gives an unfavorable impression of where the article goes:
    The”nazis’ did not characterise the Russians or the Ukrainians as “subhumans”. There was a publication by the propaganda ministry that spoke of the Bolshevik subhuman and listed the culture destroying, murderous, resentful rage of the spirit that guided Bolshevism, a spirit that appealed to envy and misgivings as is the basis for recruitment appeals to this destructive ideology. But it was a one-time affair.
    Hitler did not like Slavs, and he did not trust their motivation for wanting to join the fight against Bolshevism (as, with the Cossacks or the Vlassov Army).
    The “subhuman” topos is much-beloved, no doubt because it provides gleeful moments of triumph after re-establishing Stalin’s unquestioned rule and the unchaining of the events which, as we can see now, may well lead to an end to a future people of European decent (that includes Slavs) were aspiring to.

  242. @Wally

    Proving that two times two equals five and a half is a hard task. My condolences.

  243. refl says:
    @Wally

    – Of course you do realize that vast amounts of human remains are claimed to exist in known locations for these alleged “Nazi atrocities in 1941-44”, don’t you?

    – Please show us the claimed immense human remains that are alleged … if you can.

    I really do not understand, why you are making such an ass of yourself.
    For what I know, on the battlefields in Belarus, Ukraine and Russia the remains are to be found to this day, as the authorities in Stalins time did not bother about proper burial. Burial is done by pupils on school holidays, and certainly this has a desired effect in raising patriotism. In the West, there is nothing to match that.

    The anti-Jewish atrocities were exaggerated, possibly to the point that the real numbers lose all significance compared to the whole picture – ok.
    The myth around Nazi atrocities are so huge that the true story is completely unrecognizable – ok.
    The violence of Nazi warfare in the Soviet Union was due to a war where there could be no mercy by neither side against the other – ok.
    To a large extend, this violence was matched by the recklessness of stalinist policy against his own people – ok.
    Today, the heroism of the Russian people in the war against Nazi Germany is being used for obvious political purposes – ok.

    But still, warfare in the East 1941 to 45 was on a completely different scale then anything ever imagined in the West. 27 mio. Soviet death versus 400 000 Americans make a neat distinction, don’t you think?
    And when you add that Angloamerican politics towards Russia has been consistently hostile since the times of the tzar with the sole exception of the occasions, when they could help them to exhaust themselves in the effort to destroy Germany, then you have to admit, that it is not paranoid to see a pattern.

    It beggars belief to see Western politicians bow to the fictious atrocities of Auschwitz and at the same moment call to arms against Russia, where atrocities – without even going into the details – were quite real.

    You would make a better case for your holohoax obsession, if you developed an ability to learn.

    • Replies: @Wally
  244. Vaterland says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Well, it’s neither consensual – there’s a reason why the unprecedented level of censorship, deplatforming, Gleischaltung of news and mass media is needed and why “antifascists” feel it necessary to assault civilians, politicians and institutions – nor mostly non-violent: I’ve been personally “enriched” by “diversity” twice now and carry a K-Bar and other tools with me at all times.

    But in the end: is the real question about Hitler and Stalin, Nazism and Bolshevism? Or is it about building a different, a better future from which all Europeans benefit? And especially this article which didn’t surprise me from Saker and I knew the mainstream Russian perspective, seems to cement a very detrimental development. “The West” is “geographical Satan” to use Dugin’s words; it’s Hitler and Napoleon, the never resting enemy of Russia. While the West establishes Russia as the Soviet Union 2.0 under KGB-Putin. There is only suffering ahead with such a diplomatic dead-end and the perfect pretense for a new cold war. Worse, recent developments lead me to believe that this accusation of re-Sovietization isn’t entirely wrong anymore. Russia to me is indeed the Byzantine heir, but it is a grave mistake to view Imperial Russia through the filter of the Soviet perspective.

    A Chabad-Union in the foot steps of the glorious communist past is the worst possible outcomes to me. It’s all so very unfortunate. Nikolaus and Wilhelm should have never let it come to WW 1. Worst time-line.

  245. Artur says:

    Incredible Chutzpah from Russophiles, insisting that Hitler could NEVER be rehabilitated for Russians, that Ukrainians are actually Russians, and that they are also all Nazis, while constantly trying to boost the psychopath Stalin. Would it were possible to promote friendly Russo-American relations and avert a terrible war, without having to promote the ridiculous propaganda of the Kremlin as if it were unassailable truth.

  246. Saggy says: • Website
    @AnonFromTN

    I said from the outset that what I write is not for the hopelessly brainwashed. So, quit reading.

    Well, first, I got you confused with Sean, so I ‘thought’ Sean had written that post with the family memories, so, my comments about your credibility were misplaced. My bad :(.

    That said, arguing a point by relating ‘family memories’ about persons ‘murdered’ or ‘killed’, for which you have no evidence and zero first hand knowledge is just pure BS, whether I”m brainwashed or not.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  247. The problem Saker is that Russia has no guilt for World War II which they started along with the Germans. The USSR invaded Poland in September of 1939 and Finland in November of that year. In 1940 they imprisoned the Baltic states and Bessarabia. Until Russia issues the same apologies that Germany has then they cannot be taken seriously. This apology can have the disclaimer that it was the Soviet dictatorship that committed these crimes and not present day Russia. So long as Russia deifies the role of the USSR in WWII then a long scar will be in their credibility. The crimes of the USSR, before, during and after WEII are far far greater than those of the Third Reich. Furthermore the partisan warfare in the east allowed the victors to cover up their crime which unlike the Katyn Forest, May never come to the light of truth. The Soviet role in the twentieth century must be requested of forgiveness by modern Russia for relations with its neighbors, Ukraine, Poland, the Baltic’s and Finland to be healed. I am really shocked that Putin, who seems quite smart, does not see it that way.

  248. Saggy says: • Website
    @Mike P

    I’m simply saying that I find Anon’s story plausible.

    Since it was vague as hell you can say it was plausible, and every Jew has a fantasy story about his relatives being exterminated by the Nazis, so relating vague but plausible stories about Nazis crimes on the basis of word of mouth at best and nothing more is just pure BS.

  249. Cowboy says:
    @JT

    Even if we accept the official Holohoax number of six million when we subtract that from the 75 million total and divide the rest between Europeans, Slavs, and Aisians that’s 23 million each.
    But jews are always whining about how they were the most targeted ethnicity in history. Bullshit! There was no precedent set that’s just the sniveling of another overwrought obtuse jew.

  250. I continue to laugh at the idea that the small population of Jews managed to conquer Russia in a few years. The fabled Bolshevik Jew warriors with no help whatsoever from Russian peasants, just stomped the asses of the pansy white Russians and foreign forces from US, UK, France, Canada, and others. Those Jews are some badass dudes.

    I would be embarrassed as a Russian to repeat this unbelievable nonsense. I’m no historian or Russia expert, but stories that don’t make sense are most of the time not true.

    They had plenty of reasons to revolt against the czar and the church. They were not angry because they were treated so fairly by the elites. The church was about as corrupt and anti-Christ as the “Christian Zionists” and Evangelicals of America. A few thousand landlords owned as much as millions of peasants. They were kept in debt by the elite, died in debt, owning nothing. Worked for nothing. The peasants were poorly educated tax and debt slaves. Sound familiar? The “Christian” church hoarded land and wealth and stood by as the poor starved.

    So cry me a river about the persecution of the poor elites and “Christian” church. I’ve read some of both sides of the story. Again, only one side makes sense, and a lot of it resembles an awful lot of what is happening in America, and Americas puppet states today. So its not to hard to make out the truth from the propaganda.

    Most of the rest of the article made sense, so probably true.

  251. @Saggy

    The history of you own family is the only thing you can know with some certainty. If you assume that you can’t know even that, your only option is solipsism.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  252. @Wally

    I remember talk about sterilization of Jews in the FILM about the Wannsee conference. I think JT is referring to that, as if a FILM made by (((Hollywood))) is a proof.

    • Agree: Wally
    • Troll: JT
  253. Vaterland says:
    @kikl

    Übermensch = translated as Overman, or sometimes literally Superman is a term by Friedrich Nietzsche. Itself one of the most misrepresented terms in popularized philosophy. It has absolutely nothing to do with race and describes a human archetype of extraordinary character which can be found among all races. Nietzsches examples were Cesare Borgia, Napoleon and Alexander the Great. It’s basically a specialization of the romantic cult of the genius and the European search for the higher man.

    There is one prominent attribution to Hitler as Nietzsche’s Übermensch by Thomas Mann in “Nietzsches Philosophie im Lichte unserer Erfahrung”, but that is an attribution by Mann and neither by Hitler himself or even Nietzsche who died long before the 3rd Reich. Although Nietzsches sister seems to have plaid a often maligned role in trying to make Nietzsche somewhat of a court philosopher for the third Reich, the details of which I am not truly familiar with.

    It’s also noteworthy that Nietzsche made very grave anti-German remarks and believed himself to be a Polish nobleman with not a drop of German blood.

  254. The Germans had no “extermination” program for the jews……because if they had had such a program……there wouldn’t be any jews left to lie and whine about the non-existent program.
    Germans are highly efficient….if they wanted to kill the jews they would have killed them.

    This logic is infallible.

    Red Cross had boots on the ground and said that 270k jews perished in the war.

    Conservative estimates are that 55 million gentiles were slaughtered in the war.

    There is no comparison.

    jewish communism is responsible for the mass murder of over 100 million innocent souls in the 20th century.

    So, I’d say that even if we give them their six million bullshit figure…..we still lost a good 94 million more than they did.

    • Agree: Mefobills, Trinity
    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  255. @Ole C G Olesen

    Ole, are you sure the Jews fleeing Eastern Europe were fleeing Russia?

    Of course, all the Jewish stories of their persecutions are hugely distorted. NOT ENTIRELY HONEST. Different sources of information are needed. From memory Shamir in Galilee Flowers writes that the totality of 19th century Czarist pogroms was small compared with a month of Zionist pogroms in Palestine, a century of Russian pogroms small relative to a month of Jewish persecution of the Palestinians, which agrees with the Saker’s take.

  256. Vaterland says:
    @Mulegino1

    The easiest way is too simply let people die of thirst, hunger and health degradation. As happened in Eisenhower’s death camps. No further resources needed at all. Some barbwire, a couple of armed guards. Okay, if you do try to run, you get shot; for that you do need a bullet then. For most adults 3 days is the terminal time limit, a week tops. Then the spook is over. But clearly the most efficient way is shower rooms with bug spray and —

    Obviously the big H happened exactly as the official history tells us and the governments which have lied to us about every single war for over a century would not in their wildest dreams dare to systematically lie about WW 2: this single most profitable war for its victors, which serves as the founding mythology and moral-identitarian framework for their world dominion. No, the stories about this one are all true. In fact some things are so true, you go to jail for making the wrong statements about them!

    Glory to communism! Glory to comrade Stalin!

  257. Vaterland says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Well, Genrikh Yagoda, Lazar Kaganovich or Trotzki certainly do have more blood on their hands than Trump, Obama, Dubya and Clinton. How convenient that the Russian government now wants to downplay the Holodomor as well. Abe Foxman is very pleased!

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  258. Athena says:

    Saker

    Thank you for your great article, i found it well-documented, with much details on Russia’s and Ukraine’s history i didn’t know.

    I live in Quebec, Canada. You’re right when you say we are living in a world full of lies, here. People support or REFUSE to tall about (being complicit by their silence) NATO’s aggressions and war crimes in Libya, Ukraine, Venezuela, Honduras. They wont because they want a by-product of these aggression: jobs in construction or reconstruction.

    People don’t bother about the illegal declaration of independence of Kosovo. People don’t bother about the Ukrainians SS armed by Mrs Freeland and the canadian government. People don’t bother about taxpayer money used to pay for the White Helmets refugees in Canada. Ukrainian refugees are now installed near Quebec city. What are they doing here?!

    The Canadian dollar is made up in part of the IMF currency, so Quebec and her latin connection will probably be used for the FTAs signed with Europe (and Latin America) to help the US and UK counter Russian influence in Europe, or continue impoverish Europe through sanctions on disobeying countries.

    The hypocrite Canadian government supports Ukrainian nationalism (SS) and Kosovo’s Nazis (KLA, Ustashis, and German friends). Then what would Canada say if Washington decided to back Quebec’s independence to gain control of Quebec’s water, electricity corrridors, cheap yet qualified labour (techs, programmers, and engineers), as well as control of the waterways for the FTAs signed with Europe, and control of the Valcartier and Bagot the military airports to attack Iran?

    In the past, Canada has been involved in Yugoslavia, when peacekeepers went to the pocket of Krajina. NATO mercenaries Engilitycorp (MPRI) trained the Croats against the Serbs. Croats and Albanians butched the Serbs, beheaded them, or burned them alive. It reminds me of the extreme violence and way the NATO-backed Ukronazis murdered hundreds innocent civilians in Ukraine a few years ago. The Canadian newspapers of Powercorporation, National Post, Globe and Mail and CBC ALL remained totally silent about this horrific massacre in Ukraine. Instead they preferred to blame Russia for what happened there. In fact they always systematically blame Russia, Serbia, for all what’s happening bear these countries. These media are NATO mouthpieces.

    Canadian soldiers in Krajina (former Yugoslavia) where NATO mercenaries buthed and burned Serbs alive, same way NATO-backed UKRONAZIS mercenaries massacred and burned civilians in Ukraine.

    Support from the United States:

    I refuse that Quebec signs FTAs with the US and EU if the but is to help NATO’s aggressions towards these people in Europe.

    • Replies: @Vaterland
  259. @Curmudgeon

    Funny … the religious ed teacher who handed me his autographed copy to read (to put me off these ideas, mind you) had been a Hungarian medic in Stalingrad.
    Skip the autobiographical half – boring to death and not terribly reliable.
    Lots of nice ideas, but not really a revelation (though much is left unspoken that requires more knowledge of the time).
    But it´s always good to have dedicated teachers 😀

  260. Seraphim says:
    @Anonymous

    I would take an eternity for Anglos to realize that they are indeed despicable and the world would be happier without both their boorishness and their (fake) ‘stiff upper lip’.

  261. Athena says:

    Please see also compl. info on Canada shameful behaviour in Ukraine:

    ON TARGET: CANADA’S WARMONGERING IN UKRAINE IS DANGEROUS

    “Canada is now authorizing the provision of lethal military aid to Ukraine. One CBC article heralded this as a good-for-business saga under the title “Canada arms makers get OK to sell to Ukraine.”

    http://espritdecorps.ca/on-target-4/on-target-canadas-warmongering-in-ukraine-is-dangerous?rq=freeland

    HOLOCAUST REMEMBRANCE AND NAZI GLORIFICATION DON’T MIX
    February 3, 2020
    By Scott Taylor

    […] “Similarly it has become a tradition for thousands of Croatians to gather in Bleiburg, Austria every May to commemorate the memory of Croat Fascist Ustase soldiers.

    Few people realize that Croatia committed its own extermination of Serbs and Jews during World War II. The notorious death camp at Jasenovac sprawled over 210 square kilometers and was the largest such camp outside of Nazi German control.

    Recently independent nations such as Ukraine, Latvia and Croatia are striving to define their national identity. What I truly do not understand is why in this effort are they so intent on celebrating individuals who participated in the mass killing of Jews? Why are they not holding parades for their scholars, poets, musicians or artists instead of rallies and celebrations to honour Hitler’s eager collaborators? ”

    http://espritdecorps.ca/on-target-4/on-target-holocaust-remembrance-and-nazi-glorification-dont-mix

  262. @redmudhooch

    Quite frankly, Russians should be embarrassed by being conquered by the Bolsheviks, in particular for stupidly worshipping them as heroes to this day. However you need to remember that Russia had millions of Jews inside its borders at the time as well as hordes of unintelligent peasants and soldiers who bought into their revolutionary propaganda, so it wasn’t quite Jews vs. Russia, but Jews and their stupid Russian dupes vs. patriotic Russians.

    In addition the Bolsheviks had the support of the American, British, and German governments, all of whom knew that Ulyanov and his terrorists were heading into Russia in 1917 with the intention of ravaging the country. Finally let’s not forget that the Bolsheviks were being financed by the Schiffs and Warburgs of Wall Street to the tune of millions, even the US State Department knew that at the time.

  263. kikl says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I didn’t count the number of mentions of Russia but of Russians, difference.

    There are exactly 54 mentions of Russia in “Mein Kampf”.

    On page 749 he writes:

    So liegt schon in der Tatsache des Abschlusses eines Bündnisses mit Rußland
    die Anweisung für den nächsten Krieg. Sein Ausgang wäre das Ende Deutschlands.”

    “The fact of concluding an alliance with Russia would mean the instruction for the next war. The result would be the end of Germany.”

    Nevertheless, Hitler signed a pact with Stalin in 1939. So he apparently changed his mind.

    By the way. Where did Hitler state he wanted to take territory from Russia by waging war? I couldn’t find it in mein Kampf.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    , @Sean
  264. @Robert Dolan

    “…The Germans had no “extermination” program for the jews……because if they had had such a program……there wouldn’t be any jews left to lie and whine about the non-existent program.
    Germans are highly efficient….if they wanted to kill the jews they would have killed them.

    This logic is infallible…”

    No, this logic is not infallible. Those “highly efficient” Germans were not able to win the war, not in the last place due to major blunders of “genius” Hitler himself. They couldn’t win a war on three fronts and collect all the Jews of Europe and exterminate them at the same time. Hence many survived, which doesn’t prove that no such extermination plan existed.

    If we go by the “6 million” number of killed Jews, that may seem small compared to the total number of deaths in WW II, but compared to the total number of Jews it is huge.

    Despite all the efforts of the revisionists, the question of the reality of the holocaust is not yet settled.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
  265. @Athena

    So if the Croats, who were allies of the Nazis and collaborated with them, committed genocide on Serbs and Jews and openly admit that, why did those Nazis, who according to the revisionists were against genocide of Jews, allow their allies to do that?

  266. neutral says:
    @JT

    Where were “Jewish” armies?

    The international jew were in total control of USA and the British Empire, under Stalin they lost some of their control of the USSR, but it was still a friendly regime to them. That being the case they had already moved both USA and Britain to eventually make war against Germany.

    • Replies: @JT
  267. Adrian says:
    @Antares

    You are obviously Dutch and your family lived through the war and you write:

    “Still I could never stand their glorifying of the ‘liberators’ as it gave me an eerie feeling, that I couldn’t yet understand”

    “couldn’t yet understand”. Do you understand it now? If not the following part of a poem by J.C.Bloem I have translated for you might help you to understand why the word “liberators” remained meaningless to you.:

    To have gone through this,
    to be able saying this with body intact,
    to know at each awakening,
    gone, and now forever
    is this wellnigh unbearable bondage

    It is worth having yearned for five years,
    now rebellious, then resigned,
    and not one of the unborn
    will ever be thus aware of freedom.

    You mention that one of your grandfathers had to hide not to be drafted for slave labor in Germany -so he must have been under forty in 1944 (last draft), ergo you were probably born long after the war.

    Bloem said it:

    and not one of the unborn
    will ever be thus aware of freedom.

    I was merely a child at that time but I was aware of the tension and fear generated by continuous controls on identity papers, the regular wall proclamations of the latest executions undersigned by the top S.S. and Police commander Rauter, curfews, obligatory darkening of windows, the absolute prohibition of having a regular radio set, the censorship, the danger of having an “illegal” paper in your possession etc.etc.

    As it happens I have a personal name you would recognize as an ordinary Dutch name but which, outside Holland, can be mistaken for a Jewish name. So occasionally I have been asked by Jews how I escaped. Well they were never after me. But it has helped me a bit in empathising with those they were. For them it must all have been so much worse.

    You write:

    “There is also the claim that the Allies deliberately waited 6 months so that they would be welcomed by a starving population. I don’t know which version is true. “

    Come on now. We are not talking of the dark Middle Ages here. This is just about the best documented part of Dutch history. And you don’t have to plough through the 14 volumes of the Institute for War Documentation covering those five years to know that this idea of the allies waiting to be greeted by a starving population is utter nonsense.

    However long after the war you were born you must have heard of the battle of Arnhem, was it only through the movie A Bridge too Far. The whole idea of that battle was too shorten the war. Unfortunately the plan failed. The internet can tell you everything about it.

    Finally, many articles on this site make clear that the standard version of the righteous allies versus the pernicious Germans is largely an artefact of propaganda. Yet they have little bearing on the Dutch case which in my view is very simple. Here was a small country whose main desire was to remain neutral as it was in the First World War. It had been officially promised by Germany that its neutrality would be respected . Yet it was brutally invaded by that country which heralded its arrival by bombing the historical center of Rotterdam and stayed as a very unwelcome guest for another five years..

    Whatever the merits of the German case in the overall context of world politics it was the Germans who did this to them – not the Americans, British or Russians.

  268. Wally says:
    @Athena

    said:
    “Few people realize that Croatia committed its own extermination of Serbs and Jews during World War II. The notorious death camp at Jasenovac sprawled over 210 square kilometers and was the largest such camp outside of Nazi German control.”

    Nonsense. There is zero proof of your ridiculous claim about Jasenovac, zero.

    recommended:
    Croatia’s President Rejects “Six Million” Story, By Mark Weber : https://codoh.com/library/document/2371/?lang=en
    excerpt:

    Tudjman also writes in his book about Jasenovac, a concentration camp run by the wartime Croatian government. Orthodox historians have insisted for decades that “at least 700,000” people were killed there. According to an estimate cited by American Holocaust historian Nora Levin, for example, 770,000 Serbs, 40,000 Gypsies and 20,000 Jews were put to death in Jasenovac. (N. Levin, The Holocaust, 1973, p. 515.)
    Croats have long maintained that about 60,000 perished in the camp, but Tudjman reckons that even this figure is too high. The most probable figure, he maintains, is between 30,000 and 40,000. Moreover, he goes on, Jewish inmates were responsible for any killings there. (The New Republic, Nov. 25, 1991, pp. 16, 18.; Die Presse, Vienna, Jan. 28, 1992.)

    more:
    Jasenovac claims shattered here: https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=jasenovac
    Croatian ‘death camps’ debunked: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8210
    Jasenovac: “The Cruelest Death Camp in the Entire Holocaust!” / Not: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7328

  269. christine says:
    @Priss Factor

    the torah is the ‘foundation’ of Judaism actually and the highly questionable Talmud came later fyi..

    am not a jew but i see nothing wrong with the ‘true tora jews’ of the world unlike others who are blinded be their own hatred for all jews.

    I respect the true torah jews far more than ex jews like gilad atzmon in fact and for me torah jews are the real jews and all other supremacist type jews are just pseudo jews, so lost in the world.

  270. Wally says:
    @refl

    Hey dumsky, what are you talking about?

    – Please review my comment that you are attempting to respond to. I asked the guy: “What alleged “Nazi atrocities in 1941-44” are you talking about?”, and I asked for specific proof.

    – Try to follow along. He’s talking about murders of innocent non-combatants, not combat deaths.

    – Oh yawn. No one said that the war between Germany and the USSR was not vast and very bad. But so what? He wasn’t & I was not talking about combat deaths.

    – My “obsession”? LOL
    What you do call the “Holocaust Industry” and their 24/7/365 campaign to shove their impossible fantasies down everyone’s throat?

    Pay attention next time, and now insert your other foot.

  271. uradel666 says:

    The Saker, I think you can’t follow what you have just said…
    It is a cruddy potboiler… so misleading….
    It does not contain any possible opinions, views or suggestions….
    Sorry, that Grab-street work is a source of disappointment. ..

  272. Seraphim says:
    @NPleeze

    False ‘basic premise’. The Grand Duchy of Muskovy is the legitimate heir of Kievan Rus.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  273. Dani says:
    @John Johnson

    It’s been so long since I’ve seen footage of Poland after German invasion I think I forgot they were bombed – Warsaw, correct? How much territory did they actually bomb? I know they crushed them quickly – in & out in less than a month and mass civilian casualties? Any idea of #s? I don’t think I’d even know where to look for information I could trust. Thank you.

  274. Kiza says:
    @Fran Macadam

    Hey Fran, this comment of yours stands out as the best. I am not sure why Saker is such a magnet for cretins.

  275. Sean says:
    @Saggy

    By Goebbels’s own account Hitler had “prophesied” and was talking about “if” the Jews started a world war, so the relevant statement of Hitler was made before the world war started. On 30 January 1939 Hitler publicly threatened:

    If the world of international financial Jewry, both in and outside of Europe, should succeed in plunging the Nations into another world war, the result will not be the Bolshevization of the world and thus a victory for Judaism. The result will be the extermination of the Jewish race in Europe.

    Germany was at peace until Sept 1939. Quite possibly for Hitler the US capitalism (inseparable from Jewish bankers) controlling a continental economy and a population of German blood, was the most dangerous enemy, and so he regarded the war as a World one only once America was officially in it.

    The entry thus refers to “the Führer’s prophecy, when he explained at the beginning of the war that it would not end with the destruction (Vernichtung) of the Aryan race, but with the expulsion (Austreibung) of Jewry from Europe.”[14]

    Dubious. Goebbels 12 December diary entry said “He prophesied to the Jews that, if they yet again brought about a world war, they would experience their own annihilation. Goebbels uses the word Vernichtung in relation to the fate of Jews in a world war, and he says Hitler had decided to make good on his pre war threat. Vernichtung means act of destroying, annihilation, or extinction. The first gassing of Jews were a few weeks later in Dec 1941. I don’t know what all the fuss by commenters here is about stating these facts, after all the Einsatzgruppen Mass shootings in the east were always accepted by David Irving. Days after declaring war on America, Hitler decided to kill all Jews in Germany and occupied Europe, and he didn’t care who knew it either:-

    In my speech before the Reichstag on the first of September 1939, I spoke of two matters: first, since we are forced into war, neither the threat of weapons nor a period of transition shall conquer us; second, if world Jewry launches another war in order to destroy the Aryan nations of Europe, it will not be the Aryan nations that will be destroyed, but the Jews…Once the Germans Jews laughed at my prophecy. I do not know whether they are still laughing, or whether they are laughing on the other side of their faces. I can simply repeat — they will stop laughing altogether, and I will fulfill my prophecy in this field too. ”

    —Speech to the Reichstag
    September 1942

    • Replies: @Wally
  276. @Franklin Ryckaert

    It was settled after the war. The Allies knew it was a steaming, triple coiled pile of BS, and so they issued orders to the Jews to shut up and quit lying about “gas chambers”, or face arrest. The order is reproduced below.

    _______________________________________________

    Military Police Service Copy

    Circular Letter No. 31/48 Vienna, 1 Oct. 1948 10th dispatch

    1. The Allied Commissions of Inquiry have so far established that no people were killed by poison gas in the following concentration camps: Bergen-Belsen, Buchenwald, Dachau, Flossenbürg, Gross-Rosen, Mauthausen and its satellite camps, Natzweiler, Neuengamme, Niederhagen (Wewelsburg), Ravensbrück, Sachsenhausen, Stutthof, Theresienstadt.

    In those cases, it has been possible to prove that confessions had been extracted by tortures and that testimonies were false.

    This must be taken into account when conducting investigations and interrogations with respect to war crimes.

    The result of this investigation should be brought to the cognizance of former concentration camp inmates who at the time of the hearings testified on the murder of people, especially Jews, with poison gas in those concentration camps. Should they insist on their statements, charges are to be brought against them for making false statements.

    2. In the C.L. (Circular Letter) 15/48, item 1 is to be deleted.

    The Head of the MPS Müller, Major” Certified true copy: Lachout, Second Lieutenant

    • Agree: Dannyboy
  277. @neutral

    A major stretch to say Hitler did nothing wrong but the evidence suggests he was no worse than Churchill, Roosevelt (who went along with the Morgenthau genocide plan) or Truman. And certainly a lot better than that demon Stalin.

  278. @kikl

    Hitler’s statements about Lebensraum in MK (which were entirely consistent with other German thinking at the time) took place in the context of the Russian civil war and the instability of the then Jewish dominated Bolshevik government. Hitler anticipated that the SU would collapse, leading to opportunities for German expansion. It was not some grand, long-term plan, and in particular played no role in the situation faced by Germany in 1941 (e.g. Stalin’s government was not at risk of collapse).

    • Agree: L.K
    • Replies: @kikl
  279. Vaterland says:
    @Athena

    Quite a revealing comment. Obviously I am against interventionism and US imperialism, where it is real and oppressive and exploitative. But this article and the comments also had me realize that yes, the Russian propaganda apparatus does exist. And it operates in much the same way as the one of the USA. But that was actually clear from the beginning; maybe some of us didn’t want to admit it. Also “the hopelessly brainwashed” do exist on the other side of the isle as well.

    And obviously history is not an objective, neutral and scientific account of the past meant to inform and enlighten; it is a tool for the powers today in their self-rationalization for their systems of control. And it works the same in the USA, Germany and Russia. We should let bad systems and ideas die, before again people have to die for them. And the current systems are indeed very bad.

  280. Smith says:
    @Anonymous

    >Wow! The death camps were a hoax?
    Yes, yes, they are. Or rather, they were concentration camps and weren’t “death camps”.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  281. Truth3 says:

    I have come to the conclusion that the so called Saker is a disinformation specialist financed by the Intelligence services of either USA or Israel, and is tasked with gatekeepering and collection of data.

    Do NOT under any circumstances send him your contact info, or communicate with him directly.

    Let him whither on the vine of Mossad shekels and eventually he will die off.

    Busted.

    Mr. Unz… jettison this clown.

  282. kikl says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    It is such a verbose pamphlet that I get very tired reading it. I refuse to read this boring treatise from page to page. So could you please direct me to the decisive pages:

    https://deutschermensch.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/adolf-hitler-mein-kampf-band-1-und-2-ungekrzt-855-auflage-1943-818s.pdf

    Thanks Beefcake

  283. @John Johnson

    If that idiot was trying to track down every Jewish baker and shoe salesman, he missed 5,100 under his nose in Berlin that were still there in May 1945. All he had to do was look for the building that said “Juedisches Krankenhaus zu Berlin” in plain English “The Jewish Hospital in Berlin” A bissel sekhil. This unpleasant fact is well known and every Landsmann has to give it every spin he can. You had your chance and screwed up.

  284. JT says: • Website
    @neutral

    Had control. In 1933 America?? Are you serious?

    The British empire had no interest of its own? No local dynasties?

    There is no such thing as “Judea” and Jews did not declare war on anyone other than in some dusty office as a form or rhetorical flourish. The vast majority of Jews in the US and England were left-wing recent immigrants more involved in the Communist, Anarchist, Socialist movements than anything represented by Stephen Weiss who explicitly cast them out of the Jewish fold.

    Jewish elites in the USA and England represented transatlantic interests deeply integrated with Anglo-American capital, who were as offended and inconvenienced by Hitler’s anti-Semitic legislation as were Jews in Germany. It hurt business, everyone’s business. On the other hand, some tried to gain an advantage over their Jewish competitors. Business as usual.

    Literalism appears to be part and parcel of the Anti-Holocaust narrative. It’s a kind of rigidity of thought, which is capable of assimilating a rhetorical “declaration of war” with a genuine one.

    I mean its the loony bin. Like shooting a toddler because you mistake his toy gun with a real one.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  285. Dannyboy says:
    @redmudhooch

    Well, you’re a indoctrinated little Marxist ( like most of those your age ) who worships Bernie Sanders and Ilhan Omar, so no surprises there.

  286. Anonymous[598] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    I know it’s frustrating for you to be wrong and the subject of ridicule by society and the educated, but rather than exposing your frustration (and thereby humiliating yourself further) by resorting to name calling, you’d be better of to just stick to the subject and criticize ideas rather than the person you disagree with. Better yet why not face the reality that the Nazis were disgusting, hateful and obviously racist. To deny it is only an exercise in further self-humiliation.

    • Replies: @Dannyboy
  287. Anonymous[598] • Disclaimer says:
    @Smith

    No, no, they were death camps. No amount of denying it is going to change that.

    • Replies: @Wally
  288. @John Johnson

    “In 1944 he rounded up the small Greek Jewish population and sent them to camps. So even when the war was clearly lost he was trying to kill as many Jews as possible.”

    Which raises a question that has always intrigued me: If he wanted to kill them why did he round them up and send them to camps? Surely the obvious thing to do would be to kill them in situ? Makes no sense at all when you think about it…..

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  289. @Vaterland

    No doubt, every one of these seven individuals is way ahead of Jack the Ripper. However, exact number of victims is hard to know in each case. In my opinion, Trump’s score card is the smallest, likely in tens of thousands (Syria+Afghanistan+Yemen+Ukraine). Trotsky’s and Kaganovich’s are likely in millions. As far as Yagoda, Clinton, Dubya, and Obama go, it’s a tough competition, with the number of victims anywhere from several hundred thousand to over a million. Yagoda ran NKVD from 1934 to 1936, the number of his victims is likely in hundreds of thousands. Clinton is guilty of Iraq (Albright on record said that the deaths of six hundred thousand Iraqi children was worth it, whatever that “it” means) + Serbia. In Serbia the number of victims, including Serbs killed by NATO bombs and killed for harvesting organs by Kosovo mafias, is in the thousands. Dubya is guilty of Afghanistan and Iraq. The number of civilian victims in Afghanistan is large, but unknown, in Iraq it was estimated between 200,000 and 600,000. Obama is guilty of continuation of Iraq and Afghanistan, plus starting wars in Libya, Syria and Ukraine. The number of civilian victims in Libya and Syria is in hundreds of thousands, in Ukraine it is ~10,000-20,000. Yagoda was shot, Trotsky was killed with a pickaxe, as both rightly deserved. Kaganovich lived free to his natural death, despite deserving gallows as much as the other two. The other four murderers are free and alive, and there does not seem to be any prospect of justice being served. A pity.

    • Replies: @Vaterland
  290. @redmudhooch

    continue to laugh at the idea that the small population of Jews managed to conquer Russia in a few years. The fabled Bolshevik Jew warriors with no help whatsoever from Russian peasants, just stomped the asses of the pansy white Russians and foreign forces from US, UK, France, Canada, and others. Those Jews are some badass dudes.

    Very good point, but as we all know Mighty Jew controls everything–from humanity’s bowel movements to orbits of celestial bodies. Russians, as it is well known, have no free will and no agency whatsoever, and are but slivers floating helplessly with the stream of history controlled by a Mighty Jew.

    • Troll: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @Seraphim
  291. Saggy says: • Website
    @AnonFromTN

    What you are missing here is context – anytime the crimes of the Nazis, i.e. the holohoax, are discussed there will be Jews recounting the stories that theit grandfathers, uncles, et. al., told them of the how the Nazis killed their grandmothers, aunts, , et. al. It is all complete BS. A prime example is Norm Finklestein ….

    “My father was in Auschwitz”
    “My mother was in Majdanek”
    “Every single member of my family, on my father’s side and on my mother’s side, was exterminated.”

    How do we know Finklestein was lying? Ans: he was born in 1953.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @JT
  292. @Adrian

    Yet they have little bearing on the Dutch case which in my view is very simple. Here was a small country whose main desire was to remain neutral as it was in the First World War. It had been officially promised by Germany that its neutrality would be respected . Yet it was brutally invaded by that country which heralded its arrival by bombing the historical center of Rotterdam and stayed as a very unwelcome guest for another five years..

    There’s no such thing as neutrality in a race war. Whatever you want to say about the Germans, the fact is that if they had won, Belgium would not be suffering genocidal levels of non-White immigration and constant Islamic terrorist attacks against its people today.

    • Agree: Dannyboy
    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Adrian
  293. Trinity says:

    Jews were doing the same thing in Germany in the 1920’s that they are now doing in America a century later. They were stealing from the Germans, they were making Germans feel ashamed to be German through movies, literature, etc., that constantly pointed out the faults of the German people, (sound familiar.) The Jew brought filth and decay into German society with pornography, and sex trafficking, Berlin was a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah, it was 42nd Street in NYC in the 1970’s and 1980’s on steroids. The Jew had stabbed Germany in the back during WWI and ensured her defeat by helping plunge America into the war in exchange for the land of Palestine. The Axis had nearly defeated the Allies and even had a Peace Treaty drawn up in 1916, at the very least, the war was at a stalemate until America intervened. Then World Jewry would later call for a boycott of Germany in 1933, and a Jew named Theodore Kaufman penned a book, “Germany Must Perish” in 1941 that advocated the genocide and sterilization as well as the territorial dismemberment of the German people. Hmm, and this book just so happened to be available the year that America was “drawn into the war?” Interesting huh? WHAT KIND OF AMERICAN, ESPECIALLY ONE OF GERMAN DESCENT, BECAUSE THERE WERE PLENTY OF GERMAN AMERICANS IN THE USA DURING THE SECOND WAR, WOULD STAND BY AND NOT BOYCOTT THE SELLING OF THIS BOOK? This is yet ANOTHER REASON WHY I CALL THE “THE GREATEST GENERATION EVER” THE MOST DEGENERATE AND CUCKOLD GROUP OF COWARDLY PUNKS EVER.

    And then we have the Jewish Bolsheviks who had their sights on conquering not only the Soviet Union, but Germany, Spain, ( remember the Spanish Civil War?), and probably the rest of Europe. God knows the Jew had already roped the fat slob alcoholic degenerate, Churchill aka Cuckhill, one of the biggest war criminals ever. So yes, I can see why Americans think that Germany was so evil and that the Jews were just innocent, morally superior people who were persecuted because they only happened to belong to a different religion. Those Germans were so evil that they didn’t want to be sterilized and face genocide because a tribe of glorified gypsies demanded it of their shabbos goy leaders in England and America. Obviously you people have heard of the Henry Morgenthau Plan? Morgenthau’s plan was as satanic as the words written in the book by Kaufman, and given what happened in Rhine Meadow Death Camps, and the millions of rapes of German women, even children and women in their 80’s, this plan was being carried out.

    Oh, but Germans just didn’t like Jews because they were not German? Russians didn’t like Jews because they weren’t Russian. Spaniards didn’t like Jews because they weren’t Spaniards. As of 2020 this kind of thing has happened 109 different times??? Maybe, just maybe, it might be the fault of the Jews. I know that is blasphemous to even suggest such a thing and maybe even anti-Semitic but there is definitely a pattern here that suggests that the Jew can never get along with the host nation and that the Jew often takes advantage of his host while mocking him at the same time, you know, kind of like what is happening in America for the last 60 something years.

  294. Dany says:
    @Tusk

    why this nonsense?

    • Replies: @Tusk
  295. Wally says:
    @Anonymous

    said:
    “No, no, they were death camps. No amount of denying it is going to change that.”

    – No amount of lying will make the impossible possible.
    – Show us the immense human remains that are claimed to exist at your “death camps’.
    – Tell us how the absurd ‘gas chambers’ worked.

    “death camp” Auschwitz” easily debunked again:

    [MORE]

    – An “extermination camp” where thousands of Jews chose to stay behind when the Germans left.
    – An “extermination camp” where most of the inmates, more thousands, chose to leave WITH the Germans.
    – An “extermination camp” where 1,500,000 human remains are supposedly buried, but no one can show us these remains.
    – An “extermination camp” where many Jews gave birth.
    – An “extermination camp” where the absurdly alleged homicidal ‘gas chambers’ could not have worked as alleged, as proven repeatedly, scientifically impossible.
    – An “extermination camp” where fake ‘gas chambers’ were “reconstructed” AFTER THE WAR.
    – An “extermination camp” where detailed aerial photos of the period show nothing that is alleged to have been happening.
    – An “extermination camp” where there are countless Jew “survivors”, yet the fake narrative says ‘the Germans tried to kill every Jew they could get their hands on.’
    -An “extermination camp” where so called “survivors” say the most impossible and conflicting things that do not hold up to scrutiny, would be laughed out of a legit court of l

  296. Vaterland says:
    @AnonFromTN

    And who designed the foreign policy of the presidents you listed? Who controls them through lobbying, party donations, and media power? Even child grooming blackmail rings a la Epstein and the megagroup behind him run by Maxwell, Bronfman and others? And who is Madelein Albright? Maybe you want the same in Russia. Imagine siding with the powers that planned and almost succeeded with the total destruction of Syria, which destroyed Libya, Iraq and who want to destroy Iran. Who fear monger and incite against Russia every single day in their US media today. Pure insanity. Imagine siding with the powers which plundered your nation not over 70 years ago, but until the end of the 90s and if we are being honest until this very day. I was in St. Petersburg in 2001, one of its hottest years of crime, and the suffering and poverty and misery were seen on every street corner. Is Russia really looking at American affairs and thinking: “Hey, I want that, too!” because of a man and regime which is dead for over 70 years???

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  297. @Irish Savant

    Well, if we are to believe this lady, they completely used them as raw material. So, Jews were an exploitable substance. Why just kill them if they can be of some profit?

  298. Sean says:
    @kikl

    Strong ages and peoples do not reflect on their rights, on the principles on which they act, on their instincts and reasons. (The Will To Power)

    Hitler wrote while still under the spell of Schopenhauer and was thinking about a slow process, for instance he was proposing eugenics as people with bad genes altruistically remaining celibate in Mein Kampf; this was a very long term program. He thought Germany had been terribly damaged and many generations would be needed. After he came to power he began to see the international situation as loosening up, and spoke to his inner circle about the necessity for a heroic attitude. So as Fuhrer of Germany Hitler began to consider the time was ripe for setting Germany aright in a much shorter time frame and spoke of Nietzsche. His early thinking as set out in Mein Kampf is a guide to his objectives though not how he tried to attain them

    And so we National Socialists consciously draw a line beneath the foreign policy tendency of our pre-War period. We take up where we broke off six hundred years ago. We stop the endless German movement to the south and west, and turn our gaze toward the land in the east. At long last we break off the colonial and commercial policy of the pre-War period and shift to the soil policy of the future.

    If we speak of soil in Europe today, we can primarily have in mind only Russia and her vassal border states. (Mein Kampf)

    • Replies: @kikl
  299. Trinity says:

    Death Camps in WWII? Sure there were, they were the Rhine Meadow Death Camps where countless German POWs were left out to die from disease, starvation or exposure. Funny, how this narrative of the war never seems to get mentioned nor does the firebombing of INNOCENT German civilians, many of whom were children, elderly men and women, mothers, etc. It will be the 75th anniversary of the Allied firebombing of Dresden on February 13 of this year. Wait and see if it is even mentioned on the Talmudvision like the recent 75th anniversary of the liberation of the work camps at Auschwitz.

    I was just thinking how Amazon banned all those books questioning the “holocaust” narrative, but yet books like “Germany Must Perish” are still to be bought on Amazon and how about books that might still talk about Nazis making lampshades out of Jewish skin and bars of soap out of Jews? Haven’t both of these ridiculous stories been proven to be flat out lies? What about books that still claim that 6 million Jews died at these concentration camps? Shouldn’t those books be banned because they are deceiving the public? The official sign at Auschwitz has been lowered from 4 million to 1.1 million or something like that so the “6 million number” is a lie or at the very least a tall tale that is deceiving the people. IF you believe the “holocaust” narrative to a T, then the official number of Jews that died at these camps must now be lowered to 3 million. Personally I would be willing to believe the real number is closer to the numbers given out by the Red Cross which doesn’t exceed more than 2-300,000 deaths. Nothing to take light of sure, but there is quite a bit of difference from 300,000 to 3 million and surely a HUGE difference from 300,000 to “6 million.” And then most of these POWs died from starvation or disease that had much to do with the Allies bombing German cities preventing medical supplies and food from being transported to these work camps.

  300. @Nick Kollerstrom

    If you type in ‘Herrenvolk’ into Google translate, it comes up as ‘Master Race’

    But if you type in ‘Herren Volk’ it comes back as ‘Gentleman people’

    • Replies: @Wally
  301. @Saggy

    You might have noticed that I was not talking about the Holocaust story. What’s more, I am not talking about the overall number of victims of any nationality in WWII. I am exclusively talking about my own family, and comparing the numbers of its members killed during less than two years of Nazi occupation with the numbers of those who were killed, directly or indirectly, by the Bolshevik regime in 24 years. The numbers tell me that Nazis were much worse monsters than Bolsheviks.

    You presented an incontrovertible proof that this Finklestein personage is lying. I have no doubt that many others also lied to receive money from Germany. In a money-driven society people often lie out of pecuniary interest. Thus, every story told for the sake of money is suspect. In my book, demanding money as “compensation” for any crime is 1) deeply immoral; 2) a throwback to pre-medieval society. I am not demanding any money from anyone, just stating plain facts. Therefore, I don’t see the relevance of the context you mentioned to the story I told.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  302. @Staudegger

    Whatever you want to say about the Germans, the fact is that if they had won, Belgium would not be suffering genocidal levels of non-White immigration and constant Islamic terrorist attacks against its people today.

    It might be news to you, but history has no subjunctive mood. Whatever happened has already happened. We have to solve problems as they present themselves today in reality, not in imaginary situations of possible alternative history.

  303. Dannyboy says:
    @Anonymous

    Better yet why not face the reality that the Nazis were disgusting, hateful and obviously racist.

    Certainly no more “disgusting and hateful” than your Communist heroes, poor child. Less so as a matter of fact, if we take a realistic tally of the corpses. As for “racism” well that charge is just as meaningless as “anti-Semite”.

  304. Fox says:
    @Vaterland

    This is a cogent, incisive comment.

  305. @Vaterland

    What makes you think that I side with murderous globo-homo maniacs, puppet-masters of the Empire, which they are driving into the ground even as we speak? My only point is that if we want something better, we should not stoop to lies, should not ape those lying “elites”.

    I want Russia to withstand the pressure of those monsters and help create a human-friendlier multi-polar world. It was plundered in the 1990s under traitorous Yeltsin, but then shook off the imperial influence and many of the mega-thieves, foreign and domestic (unfortunately, not all). It remains to be seen whether it can stay the course.

    • Replies: @Vaterland
  306. @Athena

    I cannot speak about other countries, but I can about Croatia, because I’m a Croat. Well- things are complicated. In this case, a big chunk of “revisionism” is necessary- not to idolize anyone, but to reach the truth. And the truth is:

    * true, Pavelić & ustaše (before WW2, a revolutionary terrorist organization of ca. 200 men) were a puppet state, mostly of Mussolini’s Italy & then of Hitler’s Germany. Ustaše could be compared to German Waffen SS because they were volunteers (unlike Domobrani/Home Guard, a regular army). Unlike SS, they were not members of a political party (there was no equivalent to the Nazi party in NDH/Independent state of Croatia). The number of ustaše fluctuated between 10,000 & 50,000 (too complicated to elaborate on). Most were nationally conscious fighters, not well educated & not psychopaths- although their leadership & those “working” in camps were to a great degree psychos.

    * NDH was a typical puppet state, which did, in some respects, articulate Croatian wish for an independent state; just, most people were soon disillusioned by Hitler’s new order & clearly totalitarian nature of the regime. Also- and this is rarely mentioned- chief pre-war Croatian political party was HSS, Croatian peasants’ party, which was soaked in pan-Slavic ideology & was very sympathetic to Czechs- and, considering the future of Czechs in Nazi program….

    * NDH regime started to persecute Jews (upon Hitler’s orders, because Ustaše had many Jewish founders & a part of them, at least leaders, were perplexed, initially), Gypsies (well, that was easier) & Serbs, whom ustaše considered to be collectively guilty for the oppression of Croats in the interwar period. These are indisputable facts.

    * however, what is a product of ex- Yugoslav propaganda is this: Croats, as a people, suffered the most among Yugoslav peoples. The general perception was that Serbs were the ones that suffered the greatest losses, but ordinary stats refute them: if we compare the last census in royal Yugoslavia, from 1931, to the first census in Communist Yugoslavia, in 1948- we can see that there are 700,000 Serbs more, and between 4,000 and 14,000 less Croats, in absolute numbers. Figures don’t lie. Despite acquisition of ethnically Croatian territories like Istria, Rijeka/Fiume & 4 islands from Italy, the absolute number of Croats fell between these two censuses.
    As for Jews, they were virtually decimated- I think ca. 70% of them perished in NDH & collaborationist Serbia (and some in what are now Slovenia and Macedonia).

    * as for two mythic martyrological places, CC Jasenovac & Bleiburg in Austria where defeated Croatian forces surrendered, stats are still debatable, but we can set limits. For long time- and this figure is still present in Israeli Yad Vashem- it was publicized that ca. 700,000 people were murdered in Jasenovac, probably 70-80% of them Serbs, others being Gypsies, Jews, Croats etc. Now, the official figure is around 85,000, but due to many factors, it seems even this is an exaggeration. I guess we’ll never know, but the number probably fluctuates between a few thousand & 50,000.

    As regards Bleiburg, there was almost complete NDH leadership, plus ustaše, plus many Home Guards & their families. Partisan units did not kill so much people at this very spot, but they murdered in ca. 170 mass graves in Slovenia and Croatia between 85,000 and 120,000 people (men, women, children etc.) in, say, two – three weeks.

    Well- that’s it.

  307. Robjil says:
    @JT

    Read “The controversy of Zion” by Douglas Reed

    He names names of a small group of Top Jews in Britain and the US who pushed for WWI for the Balfour and WWII for Israel.

    We have the same exact thing going now in Britain and the US for Eretz Yisrael, greater Israel. A small group of Top Jews pushing for wars for greater Israel.

    Same old. We have been living in the Age of Zion since 12.23.1913. WWI happened six months later on 6.28.1914.

    The second century of Zion started on 12.23.5761 on the Jewish Calendar. That was 9.11.2001 on our calendar.

    The Age of Zion is all about Amalek fighting, attacking civilians who get in the way of Eretz Yisrael.

    Humanity can not grow if this Age continues. Humanity has to return to values of ancient Greece or any rational culture where debate is allowed on all things.

  308. kikl says:
    @Sean

    Well thanks, but I can’t find “If we speak of soil in Europe today, we can primarily have in mind only Russia and her vassal border states.” Tell me the page and the chapter.

    The closest part I found was this:

    “So waren die gesamten Bündnisse ausschließlich von diesem Gesichtspunkte aus zu prüfen und ihrer Verwertbarkeit Mit England gegen Rußland nach zu schätzen. Wollte man in Europa Grund und Boden, dann konnte dies im großen und ganzen nur auf Kosten Rußlands geschehen, dann mußte sich das neue Reich wieder auf der Straße der einstigen Ordensritter in Marsch setzen, um mit dem deutschen Schwert dem deutschen Pflug die Scholle, der Nation aber das tägliche Brot
    zu geben.”

    Pages 153-154

    https://deutschermensch.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/adolf-hitler-mein-kampf-band-1-und-2-ungekrzt-855-auflage-1943-818s.pdf

    If you don’t speak German, then put it into google translate. Please note that Hitler is talking about the past! not the present or future!

    I simply want to know where this is written in mein Kampf.

  309. @Vaterland

    These Germans kept in these Rhine Meadows camps, guarded by nothing more than a few GIs with Tommy guns must have known something was up when they were not getting food?

    So they didn’t even bother charging down their captors? They couldn’t break out of some shitty perimeter fence despite there being tens of thousands of them?

    Sounds a bit like the case of 2000 Jews being gassed to death in a place with a wooden door…

    • Replies: @kikl
    , @Vaterland
  310. kikl says:

    Well google translate sucks somewhat. You will have to believe me that the verbs “wollte”, “konnte”, “musste” are all in the past tense. If it were a conditional clause, directed at some possible future event, then “wollte” could still be used but the terms “konnte” and “musste” would be replaced by “könnte” and “müsste”. Thus, this is clearly the past. I think Hitler understood German well enough to figure that out.

    O.k. the last part of the sentence is completey messed up in google translate. It relates to the purpose of any such conquest in the past:

    “um mit dem deutschen Schwert dem deutschen Pflug die Scholle, der Nation aber das tägliche Brot
    zu geben.”

    “…in order to give soil to the German plow and to give daily bread to the nation.”

    “Daily bread” sounds like its from the bible, the lords prayer. This is Hitler’s pseudo-poetic stile.

    This relates to the concept of “Lebensraum”, i.e. giving the German nation enough land to feed itself. Why was this an issue in Germany? Well, because Germany was not self sufficient and the British Blockade during the firsts world war lead to hundreds of thousands of people starving to death, even after the armistice was signed in 1918.

    The allies want us to believe that Hitler wanted to conquer the world because he was such an evil imperialist, like the British and Russian world empires. Again, this is just psychological projection.

    This is my preliminary judgement on the basis of what I have found in “mein Kampf”.

  311. kikl says:
    @Just passing through

    “guarded by nothing more than a few GIs with Tommy guns must have known something was up when they were not getting food?

    So they didn’t even bother charging down their captors?”

    What a stupid idea. They would be shot immediately. The tommy gun is a submachine gun, right? You are not takling about a 18th century rifle that needs to reloaded after every single shot.

    Some people are seriously foolish.

  312. @Anatoly Karlin

    A quite consensual and mostly non-violent white genocide that most Western whites are perfectly fine with,

    This is one of the most egregiously awful takes you have ever posted on this site.

    In any outline of the basics of Russian nationalism, you have and will correctly defend that ideology against those who oppose it – you have even, from time to time, defended the goals of Russian nationalism from Vladimir Putin himself (e.g. Putin’s government’s refusal to more fully support Donbass volunteers).

    But in order to attack Hitler – who, for whatever his significant flaws, was right about the oncoming white genocide – you simply cite majority opinion.

    It would have been better for you to admit Hitler was right about this part, while still rejecting the rest of his ideology. Instead you take the worst avenue.

    And, “mostly non-violent.” That’s cute.

    Well, I can only quote General William T. Sherman: “Vox populi, vox humbug.”

    Yours is an utterly frozen take. I’m past shivering:

  313. @Irish Savant

    Agreed.

    Only a cuck, ignorant fool, or Jew could possibly condone the hideous war crimes of Churchill, Roosevelt, and Truman as “necessary.”

  314. L.K says:
    @Staudegger

    Staudegger to pathetic sad little liar AnonFromTN

    lol apart from Solzhenitsyn and Josef Dyadkin? They still find mass graves in the USSR to this day. Not so with “Nazi atrocities.”

    Indeed, even more so as there is much new archival research demonstrating the enormity of Stalin’s crimes.
    Soviet General Dmitri Volkogonov, himself a Stalinist for a long time, Director of the Institute for Military History, had unrivalled access to Soviet military archives, Communist Party documents and secret presidential files.
    In his book ‘Autopsy for an Empire: The Seven Leaders Who Built the Soviet Regime’, General Volkogonov stated that between 1929 and 1953 the Soviet regime caused the deaths of 21.5 million Soviet people.

    The marks left by Stalin on the face of the earth cannot easily be wiped away. Whether the thousands of buildings in the Stalinist style of architecture, the canals, highways, blast furnaces, mines and factories – built to a large extent by the slave labour of millions of anonymous inmates of his Gulag – or nuclear weapons, his traces are steeped in blood.
    Between 1929 and 1953 the state created by Lenin and set in motion by Stalin deprived 21.5 million Soviet citizens of their lives. No one in history has ever waged such war on his own people.

    One of the leading Russian historians on the Stalinist period, Oleg Khlevniuk, a senior researcher at the State Archive of the Russian Federation in Moscow, wrote in his book “Stalin: new biography of a dictator”, regarding the victims of the regime:

    Between 1930 and 1952, some 20 million people were sentenced to incarceration in labor camps, penal colonies, or prisons. During that same period no fewer than 6 million, primarily “kulaks” and members of “repressed peoples,” were subjected to “administrative exile”: forced resettlement to a remote area of the USSR. On average, over the more than twenty-year span of Stalin’s rule, 1 million people were shot, incarcerated, or deported to barely habitable areas of the Soviet Union every year.

    Furthermore, in addition to the 26 million who were shot, imprisoned, or subjected to internal exile, tens of millions were forced to labor on difficult and dangerous projects, arrested, subjected to lengthy imprisonment without charges, or fired from their jobs and evicted from their homes for being relatives of “enemies of the people.” Overall, the Stalinist dictatorship subjected at least 60 million people to some sort of “hard” or “soft” repression and discrimination.

    To this figure we must add the victims of periodic famines or starvation, which during 1932–1933 alone took the lives of between 5 and 7 million people. The Stalinist famine was largely the result of political decisions. In its campaign to break peasant opposition to collectivization, the Stalinist government used famine as a means of “punishing” the countryside. All opportunities to relieve the situation—such as purchasing grain abroad—were rejected. Starving villages had their last stores of food expropriated.

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  315. @Longfisher

    And I wish I could click my heels together and go back to Kansas. Get over it, Dorothy!

  316. @kikl

    Those Germans sure were compliant during the process of thirst and starvation. I am sure they witnessed their comrades die of thirst and hunger and just thought, ‘hmm I guess those friendly allies will be coming with our food and water soon, let’s just wait and stay put instead of rioting, those boys with their 30 round Tommy guns will kill all 100,000 of us’

    Those allies even took photos of the mass murder, so great of the not to cover up the truth by not allowing any photographers, allied are nice and transparent with their genocides!

    • Replies: @kikl
    , @Ron Unz
  317. Wally says:
    @Just passing through

    My comment #197 takes care of the ‘master race’ nonsense’.

  318. @Adrian

    If you sodomize your neutrality daily, you are not neutral (that´s what Sweden did, but by consensus the fiction was upheld).
    In WWI the Dutch kept their neutrality to a degree that was by all accounts unnerving 😀
    In WWII … if you serve as a staging area next to a ruthless enemy´s industrial nexus, you might have a problem.

    As for Rotterdam, you might be interested in the alternative half cent:

    – It was a textbook example of what nowadays is called “surgical”; every precaution was taken to minimize non-German casualties. The Air Assault Engineers took the bridge in what they called “abbreviated procedure”(water landing directly on the object), something so insanely risky the Allies at Arnhem only briefly contemplated it. The first Fallschirmjäger reinforcements arrived by requisitioned tramway (seriously) and secured the bridgehead toward the inner city.
    By this time it should have been over; unfortunately the Dutch OC, Col. Scharoo, drug out the negotiations and tried to wipe out the bridgehead.
    The airstrike was small (100 He111, and emergency aborted halfway through), well targeted on a minuscule triangle to take the pressure off Lt. Kerfin´s platoon, and using only high explosive (NO incendiary as the British had done on Karlsruhe).
    Due to certain, erm, problems with road communications the Fire Police Regiment (with heavy equipment, the Dutch was hopelessly inadequate) came too late to save the city.

    Tragic – but if you want someone to blame (a too-common character flaw) I suggest the Dutch OC … you do not start a shooting war while sitting on an oil barrel.

    And if you want it literary on the plight of the occupied, Steinbeck´s
    “The Moon Is Down” beats some Blum any day.

    • Replies: @Adrian
  319. AaronB says:

    Very interesting article. Thanks.

    I like how you examined the issue from all sides and avoided simple one-sided conclusions. Balanced articles like this are rare on Unz, which is mostly a site for simplistic Manichean demonization of some chosen group or other.

    This kind of nuance should be prized.

    • Replies: @Vaterland
  320. @JT

    You are a liar.
    The Jewish nation declared war on Germany in 1933. They had a willing helper in FDR- a liar, thief and limousine socialist- and in Stalin-a Georgian, former Seminarian and train robber who spoke decent Yiddish.
    Singling out an enemy is normal. Jews decided to single out Germany. Germany responded.
    Take your Jewish victimhood con and sell it somewhere else. We ain’t buying it.
    70 million died in world war 2.
    At the end of the war over 5 million, possible 8 million, ethnic Germans-‘returning’ from as far east as Siberia-died out of 12 million returnees.
    Eisenhower let up to 2million Germans, pow’s and civiiians, die in camps.
    The well known Morgenthau plan, another Jew, was to crush Germany, starve it and reduce it to an agrarian base.
    The truth about WW2 has been suppressed for 75 years by lying Jews and Communists. We don’t believe your lies. Go sell them to someone else.

  321. kikl says:
    @Just passing through

    “Those Germans sure were compliant during the process of thirst and starvation.”

    Sure, people generally love to starve… You are sick in the head.

  322. Wally says:
    @Sean

    Yep, as expected you dodged my comment #232. It contains a variety of information which explodes your Zionist lies. Just one example:

    I also note that you ignore real German documents which state that the ‘Jewish question’ is to be settled after the war. see:
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/?showcomments#comment-2487568

    you said:
    “The first gassing of Jews were a few weeks later in Dec 1941. I don’t know what all the fuss by commenters here is about stating these facts, after all the Einsatzgruppen Mass shootings in the east were always accepted by David Irving. Days after declaring war on America, Hitler decided to kill all Jews in Germany and occupied Europe, and he didn’t care who knew it either”

    – There is absolutely no proof for any gassings, ANY. In fact, the entire alleged gassing process is laughable & scientifically impossible. For a thorough demolition of the alleged Auschwitz gas chambers & alleged Auschwitz homicidal gassing process see analysis at:
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11143&p=83723&hilit=model+asmarques#p83723

    – David Irving? You mean the guy who suddenly tried to play ‘holocaust-lite’ after he was given a curious early release from jail after being sentenced for Thought Crimes?
    – Irving does not believe in the ridiculous “gassings”, yet you absurdly cite them and him in one breath. LOL
    – Einsatzgruppen shootings of alleged millions? Show us the claimed human remains that are said to exist in known locations, again see my comment #232 for more.

    – Once again, on Hitler, who would certainly not announce publicly any plan you allege he had to ‘exterminate Jews:

    “we’ve often fantasized about drawing up an indictment against Adolf Hitler himself. And to put into that indictment the major charge: the Final Solution of the Jewish question in Europe, the physical annihilation of Jewry. And then it dawned upon us, what would we do? We didn’t have the evidence.”

    – so called “holocaust historian” Raul Hilberg

    You’re in way over your head.

  323. @Vaterland

    Precisely.

    The lie is ‘religiously’ cited to this day. The truth of WW2 has not been written, as yet.

    Capitalism: without the occassional, random debt jubilee degenerates into oligarchic monopoly, aka outright thievery and debt slavery.

    Communism: the means to quickly seize control over Capital and Labour, this by-passing the freedom phase of Capitalism before Oligarchy sets in.

    WW2 was the deal by elites of East and West to destroy its competition: the Nation State with sovereign wealth, meritocracy and unity.

    The people who allied with Stalin to destroy Germany are the same traitors who allied with China to destroy Middle America.

  324. Antares says:
    @Adrian

    You are not in a position to lecture me if I just open my mind, which you haven’t done yet with such stupid chauvinist garbage as from Bloem.

    You wrote:

    “couldn’t yet understand”. Do you understand it now? If not the following part of a poem by J.C.Bloem I have translated for you might help you to understand why the word “liberators” remained meaningless to you.:

    Is it still our country? Haven’t we adopted the American culture? Who destroyed our public transport? Who made us dependent on energy imports? Who ‘invests’ in our economy, i.e., bought it for fake money? Why do we have nuclear reactors? And bombs? How could our nuclear secrets be stolen by Pakistan, and why was the CIA involved? Why did we fight in Syria (2014-2016: 1.800 sorties, no word about it)? Why was there a Dutch military in the military presentation of the invaders of Iraq, while our politicians had decided/declared only to support it politically? Why do we attack the Russians based on the phony story of separatists taking down the MH-17 with weapons they don’t have? Why is it our task to serve at the highest spiral of violence, i.e. dropping bombs on Russia? Why do we support Israel? Why did our railroads (what remained) have to pay ‘compensation money’ to Israel recently? Why did two Jews/Israelis appear on our television in 1982 to tell us that we didn’t have to talk with Palestinians, and in the same year opened the ‘Israel Inn’s’ (restaurants) in our country? 1982 was the year of the massacre in Libanon (3.500 deaths, thanks to Israel). How could they appear on our tv and not be criticised? Who owns our press and other media? Why do we have 3.8 million immigrants (and their offspring)? Why are no affordable houses available to our own population? Why are we obliged to show identification papers if asked by the police? Why can’t we pay with ordinary money anymore for the most important things (rent/gas/light/water/transport/medics)? Why don’t we have our own currency anymore? Why has our educational system degraded so much?

    You talk about liberation but you don’t know what it is. We have been taken over.

    You wrote:

    Here was a small country whose main desire was to remain neutral as it was in the First World War. It had been officially promised by Germany that its neutrality would be respected . Yet it was brutally invaded by that country which heralded its arrival by bombing the historical center of Rotterdam and stayed as a very unwelcome guest for another five years..

    In the time of the first world war the Netherlands has gone to great length in order to remain neutral. We were really neutral, in words and in deeds. Then understand that the Rürhgebied is only one hour away from Arnhem. It was one of their two industrial centres. They trusted their lives to use, and with good reason, because we were trustful.

    How could they have trusted us in 1940 if we had already become a country of coward idiots who fraternised with the British? I detest their war but they had every reason. They must have had good spies on both occasions.

    I have never had the slightest respect for idiots like you and your American propaganda. Let that sink in. People like you told me that I had to join the army, and other nonsense like that. As if I would risk my life for the petrodollar and multicultarism. I feel no more hate for anything than this despicable display of fake patriottism that has taken over my country and ruined it completely. And, on top of that, still no one understands that anything has happened… as brainwashed dodo’s walking straight to their demise.

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    , @Nonny Mouse
    , @Adrian
  325. @Truth3

    I have come to the conclusion that the so called Saker is a disinformation specialist financed by the Intelligence services of either USA or Israel, and is tasked with gatekeepering and collection of data.

    Do NOT under any circumstances send him your contact info, or communicate with him directly.

    Let him whither on the vine of Mossad shekels and eventually he will die off.

    Busted.

    Mr. Unz… jettison this clown.
    ——————————————————————
    I am a rational adult who values Freedom of Speech and Association.
    I don’t take the Saker seriously. I think he is a blatant liar, polemicist and a tool. I strongly suspect he is a tool of certain Jewish-Russian interests.
    His articles are largely a waste of time. tldr. Verbal flatulence. Crap.
    I wouldn’t publish them on a web-site I ran.

    40 years ago I would have saved Saker articles for when tp ran low.

    • Replies: @Meimou
  326. L.K says:
    @Mike P

    Hey Mike!

    I detest and despise Team Russia’s refusal to face historical facts just as much as you do, but I don’t think AnonFromTN would stoop to telling lies about his own family, just in order to score points in an argument with strangers on the internet.

    In this case I think you may be badly mistaken, my friend.

    Are the comments of this AnonFromTN those of a serious person? Consider, for example, that this TROLL is still claiming that the Germans were the ones who shot the Poles at Katyn and elsewhere!

    When I confronted him with the FACT that already at the end of the Cold War the Soviet government admitted that the crimes had been committed by the NKVD and that the Russian Federation had recently begun to release the pertinent Soviet documentation to Polish authorities, the individual farted that the documents were forgeries or something of the sort.

    Ultimately, who is AnonFromTN? Just an anonymous Team Russia propagandist, and not even a sophisticated one at that.
    So why take his sob stories seriously? Think about that.

    BTW, do you know that many of those Soviet civilian workers in Germany were paid wages for their work, and could even travel to meet family on vacation?

    Take care, Mike.

    • Replies: @Mike P
    , @AnonFromTN
  327. Trinity says:
    @kikl

    This “just passing through” clown is a hasbara troll. Just the other day he/she/it was saying that London is nowhere near as bad as we make it out to be. haha.

    • Agree: kikl
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  328. @Robjil

    Agree.

    We are at a point where the deranged, diseased and depraved minds of Jew Billionaire psychopaths determine American Foreign Policy.

    The consequence of this is a fascist environment where free speech is stifled, dissenting opinions are attacked and truth defined as anti-semitism. The status quo these maniacs have created is intolerable. IOW we are at peak jewish insanity. It cannot stand. It is simply unbearable to normal people.

    Freedom is now defined as the freedom of Jewish capital to select who you get to choose: stooge A or stooge B.
    Then, when you select, not elect, a ‘least worst’ choice the oligarchs use their agents -the dual citizen types-to pressure the crap out of ‘your’ POTUS. Thus foreign policy devolves into assassinations- gimme a Soleimani- and assymetrical warfare- see ya China, have fun feeding yourself with dead birds, pigs and workers.

    No nation can withstand treason from within. Jews are treasonous as are the anti-human (satanic) elites who are in partnership with them. A Cheney type, psychopathic traitor, is always necessary for an Adelson, Marcuse, Singer, Zucker type. This is the basic symbiosis of evil that is ruling over the West.
    It is now impossible to hide this and the mountain of lies to distract from this fact is crumbling.

    Technology, internet and human nature. We live in a global village. Can’t hide [email protected] unless others collude. The information gets leaked because the normal person has compassion and empathy. They respect the truth, so they take a video and the world gets to see.
    The ruling paradigm of secret, back room deals has to end. We need governance where a moral basis for decisions is factored in. Simply stating ‘I like oil. I think we’ll keep it.’ doesn’t wash anymore.
    Left v right still matters. No one with a brain wants communism. Nevertheless, Capital raping the people isn’t going to work unless elites are prepared to go full police state. 300 million ar-15’s tell me that is a recipe for failure.
    Useless elites are disposed of. HIstory proves this fact. These people either get their act together or the ship will be brought down.

    • Agree: Robjil
  329. Utterly stupid article. Race denialist and Sentimentalist.

  330. @AnonFromTN

    You presented an incontrovertible proof that this Finklestein personage is lying

    Are you sure? Admittedly, his 3rd contention is dubious. But- why would it be suspicious that his parents spent some time in various CC?

    https://www.unz.com/nfinkelstein/to-live-or-to-perish/

    Norman Finkelstein Archive

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  331. @Bardon Kaldian

    C´mon, Bardon … you know better than that.

    Jewish hatred for the Russians harkens back to Katharina the Great´s social reforms. But as recently as 1848 German Nationalists and Jews fought and bled side by side. In the following half-century (“heroic age”) a third of the bigwigs in science – and mountaineering (!!!), Agassiz, Suess, Mojsisovic, Stoliczka – were Jews, and with precious few exceptions (say, Bittner) no one found that untoward.
    Amos Elon called it “what might have been”.
    In WWI Jewish officers were still disproportionately decorated for valor.
    (Jewish academics were drawn to reserve officer training because it was softer and shorter – apart from the cavalry having “ka rabbiner” 😛 )
    Yet by 1926 (“Korneuburger Eid”) it was all over – by which time, I like to point out, no one but a few connoisseurs had ever heard of the Great One.

    So … what happened?
    I have read further than most but am still at a loss.
    For the French, it can be nailed to the Panama Canal Swindle and Catholic Reaction.
    For the Russians, the assassination of Alexander III.
    For the Germans? The assassination of Rathenau seems to mark a tipping point, but of what? Neither the official nor the purported reason make the slightest sense.

    So, any ideas are welcome 😀

    (A note to the little ones: Neither Großdeutschland (“Ein Volk, ein Reich” had been a catchphrase long before, Bismarck wrought “klein”Deutschland only because Habsburg was in the way) nor “anti-semitism” are constituent components of National Socialism, they were simply Zeitgeist.)

    • Replies: @Truth3
  332. Mike P says:
    @L.K

    Are the comments of this AnonFromTN those of a serious person?

    I do believe that he is the sort of person he claims to be – a Russian career academic, now living and working in the US. I also trust him not to lie about his own family, and I at least somewhat agree with many of his comments.

    Consider, for example, that this TROLL is still claiming that the Germans were the ones who shot the Poles at Katyn and elsewhere!

    Of course he does that – he is on Team Russia, after all.

    Some smokers who got lung cancer can’t face reality. Russians seem to take a similar position vis-a-vis their own history. Admitting that the catastrophic losses in WW2 were ultimately self-inflicted and unnecessary, that they resulted from the aggressive plans of their own leadership, simply seems too much to stomach. The sacrifice was so great, it simply must remain sacred. Katyn is just part and parcel of that comprehensive delusion and denial.

    BTW, do you know that many of those Soviet civilian workers in Germany were paid wages for their work, and could even travel to meet family on vacation?

    I have not heard that before. Even if true, that still wouldn’t turn them into volunteers, though.

    • Agree: kikl
    • Replies: @L.K
  333. @Bardon Kaldian

    His parents might have been in concentration camps, but if he was born in 1953, they apparently were not killed there. Raises the issue of what fraction of the inmates survived. If that fraction is large, the camps were not “extermination” camps, but rather forced labor camps, like prisons all over the world.

    In general, considering the efficiency and organization of Nazis, the whole issue of “extermination camps” raises serious questions. If you aim at exterminating someone, why bother shipping them far, instead of shooting them on the spot and saving yourself time and resources. Nazis (and others) were well known to do that, so camps only make sense if forced labor was the objective. The inmates might still not be given enough food for longer term survival, if the Nazis simply counted on endless supply of new inmates (like in many places Romans did not bother to preserve slaves, just replaced the dying ones with new arrivals).

    • Replies: @A.R
    , @Bardon Kaldian
  334. @L.K

    Fine logic. So, based on the fact that the accused at Stalin’s show trials publicly admitted their guilt, he was right and they were criminals? Comrade Stalin would approve of you wholeheartedly.

    BTW, do you know that many of those Soviet civilian workers in Germany were paid wages for their work, and could even travel to meet family on vacation?

    Now, that’s an outrageous lie. If what you say were true, Hitler would have won the war. He lost, in case you did not know that. I know one person sent for forced labor from Ukraine to Germany in 1943. She never had any vacations, she never got any wages, and her mother found that she is alive only long after the war.

    • Replies: @L.K
  335. A.R says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Obviously Finkelstein did not say his parents died in the camps,, but all their relatives. Should not be too hard to comprehend, really…

  336. Truth3 says:
    @nokangaroos

    Jewish hatred for the Russians harkens back to Katharina the Great…

    It’s way further than that.

    The Khazar Kaganate was destroyed by the Rus Vikings. One axe swing and sword thrust at a time.

    They might want to deny that 90% of the blood of Ashkenazi Jews is Khazarian, but that doesn’t mean they don’t KNOW the Truth of it.

  337. Vaterland says:
    @Just passing through

    If your intent was to provoke me a little, it didn’t work. If you are interested in the historical facts, you are free to read the detailed work of James Bacque on this very site. It’s also noteworthy that the other POW camps of the allies and not just Stalins Gulag were hardly the Hilton.

  338. @AnonFromTN

    But- isn’t it something, at least in my opinion, secondary (I guess most Jews would freak out)? Both Auschwitz & Majdanek were labor camps with very high killing rate. Gas chambers- and I think they existed – were simply an efficient method to get rid of human, mostly Jewish material after it had become useless for work (and you could extract gold fillings etc. to completely use everything from those bodies).

    Why should extermination entail “just kill them” way of reasoning? If I was Heydrich, I would have worked them to death & then eliminate them after they’d become superfluous (and turn their biological substrate into something profitable- soap etc.).

    The same goes for the highest rate of murder, extermination of Soviet prisoners of war:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_mistreatment_of_Soviet_prisoners_of_war
    ……………………………….
    The most deaths took place between June 1941 and January 1942, when the Germans killed an estimated 2.8 million Soviet POWs primarily through deliberate starvation,[6] exposure, and summary execution.
    …………………………………………………..

    Now, we can argue about actual figures, but, in my opinion (and as far as I’ve read about it):

    a) this was a deliberate murder, not anything like “we didn’t have enough food or shelter to keep them alive” trope

    b) the rate of murder surpassed anything that happened to Jews in any period of time during WW2

    c) in these circumstances, you don’t need some big, technologically “advanced” apparatus of extermination: famine, mistreatment, typhoid & summary executions would suffice

    My conclusion would be: yes, Jews were exterminated as a group wherever Hitler, Himmler, Heydrich… could lay their hands upon them, but they created an efficient killing machine which fused forced labor & elimination of unusable human material; in the case of Soviet POWs, they were in different circumstances, but the results were even more horrible- if I had to choose, I’d rather be gassed than starved in cold, filth & excrement. And, let’s not forget that most Slavs, from Czechs to Russians (at least in Europe) were slated for extermination, one way or another, after Hitler’s victory, which would mean at least 40- 80 million corpses.

  339. Vaterland says:
    @AnonFromTN

    And my point is that if you repeat a view of history which is 1 to 1 the Soviet one and you think Chabad Lubavitch and its oligarchs are your friends, then you are not getting a better world at all. We will have Neocons and liberal-leftist J oligarchs in the USA and then Chabad oligarchs in Russia, plus a new Soviet. As Tolstoi said: functionaries instead of capitalists. You can hate Nazis as much as you want, but there cannot be a return of true Imperial Russia and true Russian culture and Orthodoxy as long as communism and its masters remain in power.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  340. Vaterland says:
    @AaronB

    Nice job, Saker. You pleased people like AaronB. Take it as a prophecy for the course you are promoting.

    • Replies: @Anon
  341. @Vaterland

    My views on most things, including history, are very different from official Soviet views. I am pretty sure KGB had a file on me in 1980s – I used to say what I think, disregarding possible presence of snitches. However, in Brezhnev’s times KGB mostly pretended that everything is fine and everybody supports the party line, using this lie as proof of their efficient work. Their lying nature actually made them more humane than Lenin’s Cheka and Stalin’s NKVD. Isn’t it funny?

    • Replies: @Vaterland
  342. JT says: • Website
    @Saggy

    Am I missing something? What is your proof that he is lying? That his parents actually survived the camps? Yes they did. Their relatives did not. Or at last the majority of their relatives did not.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  343. JT says: • Website
    @Robjil

    ha ha ha

    He was also staunchly anti-Communist, and once wrote that National Socialism was a “stooge or stalking horse ” meant to further the aims of the “Communist Empire.”

    Nazis were a Communist conspiracy. whoa ha ha ha

  344. utu says:
    @Antares

    The problem with you the Dutch goes much further back: Liever Turks dan Paaps.

  345. @Bill Jones

    By the same token Putinists should moralising about the SU being the good guys. They weren’t.

    This discussion is about the SU and successors denying its role in starting WWII. The Japanese were already active in China. A world war was inevitable.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  346. JT says: • Website
    @Wally

    I see a pattern. Those of you who want to deny, denigrate, or downplay the Holocaust, rely uniquely on literature or sources which refute something – something which you’ve never read.

    You’ve all read refutations, not actual facts, or information, nor what is being refuted. You assume that the refutations you’ve read, accurately represent the subject of their refutation, and you’re too lazy, sloppy, or incontinent to do your homework and read the original subject/source.

    If you actually had a handle on basic facts, the notion that Eichmann’s notes from the Wannsee conference are a forgery, would strike you as blatantly stupid. I’m starting to see why the term “Denialist” exists. It describes, accurately, a group of ignoramuses bumbling their way through internet hokum, and the vicious cycle by which Holocaust Denial laws were passed.

    You’re professional trolls, expecting society to take you seriously. Juggalos on meth, ignoramuses, I don’t see why anyone would take you seriously, but I can testify to how irritating you are.

    A real exchange is completely lost on you right? You don’t really care that the documents have corroborating evidence?
    http://holocaustdenialischutzpah.blogspot.com/2012/01/more-madness-about-wannsee.html

    For the more “intelligent” doubters (they consider themselves intelligent, but are not one of them is a historian or scholar), every single argument has been debunked.

    in articles
    https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/wannseeprotocol/index.html

    in books
    https://books.google.com/books?id=LchpXxk-jYYC&dq

    Seeing the general literacy level of Denialists, that you will not bother with a single one of my links. Denialism is a state of mind. Or its absence.

    Does it bother any of you that even David Irving doesn’t buy the forgery hoax? Or that Eichmann admitted to having written the memo summarizing it?

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/Himmler/Wannsee.html

    • Troll: Saggy
    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  347. “Like all forms of persecution, this one is also resulting in an increasingly powerful case of ideological blowback: a very dangerous and toxic resurgence of both Fascism and National-Socialism.”

    This is just not true and it’s the argument that globalists and neoliberals use to justify censorship. Where is your evidence? I live here and it really isn’t the case. In fact it’s the polar opposite

  348. SC Rebel says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    Don’t forget the masturbation machines and the wall of eyes.

    Very scary stuff!

  349. L.K says:
    @AnonFromTN

    TROLL AnonFromTN

    Fine logic. So, based on the fact that the accused at Stalin’s show trials publicly admitted their guilt, he was right and they were criminals?

    The above is nothing short of the most ignoble sophistry. A ridiculous false analogy. But that’s what one can expect from the likes of you.

    that’s an outrageous lie.

    Actually, you are the one lying, as usual. Your silly tales about ‘I knew somebody who blah, blah” do not impress me at all.

    Even German Court historian, Ulrich Herbert, professor of modern history at the University of Freiburg, in an article about forced laborers, whether concentration camp inmates, prisoners of war (POW’s), or foreign workers, concedes:

    “Soviet workers, however, received especially fixed wages, which were considerably lower than those of the German and foreign workers—nominally at about 40%, but in most cases probably even lower than that.”

    Hans-Jürgen Witzsch comments on this:

    On March 23, 1943, the German authorities decreed a law about the employment conditions of the east-workers, which determined the wages in § 2:

    “The same wage and salary conditions apply for east-workers as for all other foreign workers. East-workers will be paid only for actual work performed.”

    With this new law, former practices to pay east-workers less than others were outlawed, a fact which Professor Herbert evidently is unaware of. Even before this new law was enacted, the deductions made for east-workers were not as high as Herbert implies, as union representatives confirmed.

    §5 of the above law confirms that “east-workers receive vacation and home trips to their family”, which by itself renders absurd the thesis of east-workers as ‘slaves’.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  350. Vaterland says:
    @AnonFromTN

    I wish we were still at the “everything is fine and we are living in the happiest, most free, luckiest country in the whole world thanks to communism”. Today a lot more sophisticated propaganda as that of the SU or GDR is mixed with “anti-fascist” street-thugs, state persecution, actual brainwashing, peer pressure education, arrests and sometimes prison for speech crimes, and mass media Inquisition. In so far I agree with you that the SU under Brezhnev might have been indeed more harmless internally than what is currently going on in my country and to a degree the West as a whole.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  351. @A Portuguese Man

    I definitely picked up on that. Good to know I’m not alone. Orthodox Christianity has an apostolic tradition and I long to see the unification between Catholic and Orthodox Churches but the Holy seat of St Peter must lead. That’s not political or anything to do with this man made trivial power struggles he writes about. I wish people would take Faith in Jesus Christ as God more seriously rather than engagement in temporal things.

  352. L.K says:
    @Mike P

    I wrote:

    BTW, do you know that many of those Soviet civilian workers in Germany were paid wages for their work, and could even travel to meet family on vacation?

    You replied

    I have not heard that before. Even if true, that still wouldn’t turn them into volunteers, though.

    And yet, Mike, it seems that many were indeed volunteers. I’m talking about foreign civilian workers, not POWs and concentration camp inmates.
    May I suggest you read the following detailed article by Hans-Jürgen Witzsch, “Foreign Workers in the Third Reich”:
    http://vho.org/tr/2003/3/Witzsch312-321.html

    Contrary to concentration camp inmates and POW’s, the foreign workers usually came voluntarily to Germany for work. This is not only evident from the official announcements, but also from the confirmation of Political Leaders who were taking care of foreign workers, as well as by statements from officials of the “Deutsche Arbeitsfront” (German Labor Front, DAF). This fact was also confirmed by the volunteers themselves in numerous statements.[ in the post-war trials ]
    In over 1,200 testimonies, I found only one single vague indication of a forced work employment, while all the others, insofar as they commented on this question, clearly point out that all foreign workers were employed voluntarily. It was repeatedly stated that the labor efficiency could never have been achieved with forced labor. Dr. Seidl, a defense lawyer during the IMT in Nuremberg, explained in this regard:

    “The fact cannot be ignored that even today many hundred thousands of foreign workers live here, who were allegedly deported by force. They refuse now to return to their home lands, even though nobody stops them. Under these circumstances it has to be assumed that the force could not have been so big and the treatment in Germany not so bad as alleged by the prosecution.” (IMT Vol. XVIII p. 172 ff.)
    … And
    From numerous documents, only two will be quoted. First Oberreichsbahnrat Horn from Berlin:

    “That the people in general feel quite comfortable, can be realized by the fact that in railroad-works in Brandenburg, Potsdam, and Tempelhof Ukranian, Belgian, and Dutch workers agreed to bring with them more voluntary workers after their home-vacation, which they were entitled to.” (P.L. 174 Arb. 1142)

    Mayor Kölsch of the German City of Stendal explained the development:

    “During the western campaign, I frequently heard the desire of the population in Holland, Belgium, and France to want to work in Germany. During the eastern campaign, the rush in the Caucasus and the Don area to work for Germany was greater than the need for foreign workers. The local employment offices tried […] to stop illegal immigrations to Germany because many persons came secretly across the border on freight trains or with vacationers.” (P.L. 173 Arb. 761)

    • Replies: @Mike P
  353. “Russians have exactly zero guilt about what happened in WWII”

    Funnily enough that’s the same in the UK but if you tried to hold a seminar discussing Operation Keelhaul or the betrayal at Bleiburg by the British army leaders and politicians and the subsequent mass murder of Croats, Slovenes, White Russians, Hungarians, Montenegrins etc etc and their women and children you would probably be attacked by “Antifa”. They are often State backed thugs who don’t like anyone trying to suggest the UK should feel guilty when it comes to “Nahhzeees”. They show up when someone does something the establishment doesn’t like.
    Anyone who thinks mass murder of POW’s, starvation of German soldiers, saturation bombings of German cities were wrong is an enemy of the UK. So ahhhm I just don’t see any kind of resurgence of National Socialism mate and I’m not unhappy about that but what I do see rising is much more frightening for anyone who likes telling the Truth..about anything, including nature and morality.

  354. Tusk says:
    @Dany

    I asked for people to provide sources proving their allegations, nobody provided any. On the otherhand I provided multiple sources and so did many people responding to me that demonstrated the “subhuman” myth is exactly that, a myth. You’re welcome to disprove this ‘nonsense’ with some simple proof.

  355. Seraphim says:

    Papacy is the stumbling bloc in the way of reunification. It is the prime example of ‘engagement in temporal things’ which led to the Schism.

  356. Mike P says:
    @L.K

    Jesus Christ. I have never come across such information. Thank you very much, L.K.

    • Replies: @L.K
  357. Ron Unz says:
    @Just passing through

    Those Germans sure were compliant during the process of thirst and starvation. I am sure they witnessed their comrades die of thirst and hunger and just thought, ‘hmm I guess those friendly allies will be coming with our food and water soon, let’s just wait and stay put instead of rioting, those boys with their 30 round Tommy guns will kill all 100,000 of us’

    Actually, I think there’s quite a lot of credible evidence supporting the Bacque Hypothesis as I discussed in a 2018 article. Obviously, the exact number of German POWs who died in post-war Allied camps cannot be determined without a serious investigation, but the figure of 1 million would could certainly not be ruled out.

    There’s really quite a lot of highly-credible near-contemporaneous evidence that has—for obviously reasons—just been totally ignored by mainstream Western historians for the last 70-odd years:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-post-war-france-and-post-war-germany/

    • Agree: Trinity
    • Replies: @L.K
  358. @L.K

    It is useless to discuss anything with a bullshitter.

    For honest readers: 0 wage is sure less than 40%. That’s what the person I know received.

    I don’t know about laws, I only know the reality. If these laws ever existed, they weren’t observed. Nobody I know who was forcibly shipped to Germany from former USSR ever had a vacation. The lucky ones, who were given to honest peasant families, were fed with the family members who did the same work. The unlucky ones – were unlucky.

    • Troll: L.K
  359. @Vaterland

    USSR in Brezhnev’s times wasn’t a paradise, far from it. The ones deemed relatively harmless (I guess, I was one of those) were ignored. The ones who were deemed more dangerous were summoned for a “discussion”, where a KGB officer explained that if the person continues, there would be consequences. Those who persisted could actually get even a jail term. I know one person who went to jail for purely political reasons under Brezhnev. The sentence was just three years, in contrast to 15 years it would have been for a small infraction under Stalin, but he served it in full. Overall, it was estimated that during Brezhnev years at any given moment there were around 10,000 political prisoners in the USSR (in prisons and mental institutions put together). A far cry from Stalin’s times, but probably more than is currently in the US. Although the Empire is making progress, shooting for Stalin’s numbers.

    The incomes weren’t spectacular, but they weren’t as bad as the imperial propaganda would make you believe. After taxes by PPP they were at ~50% of the US. A lot of things were free: health care, education at all levels, apartments (usually you got those after working for a few years). Many things were ridiculously cheap: your “rent” for the apartment (technically apartments belonged to the state), utilities, sports schools for kids, musical schools, kindergartens, etc. The key downside was that as a lot was granted to everyone, so totally worthless lazy people got maybe 1/3 to half of what educated hard-working people got. Party and state bosses had more: using Orwell’s terms, some were more equal than others. I only remember Brezhnev’s period and subsequent times well, but at that time the worst scum got to the top, like in the US now. Those were the bastards who figured that they can steal a lot more than the system allowed, so they crashed the system and became much richer.

    The good thing was that much of current Western PC BS (which ignorant people call cultural Marxism) was not approved of: no LGBT propaganda was allowed, there was no uncontrolled immigration (and very little controlled one). However, certain things were part of the communist party religion: all races were presumed equal (there were no blacks or browns in the USSR, though), marital faithfulness was considered enforceable norm, Marxism was proclaimed to be science and was taught in school and university, socialism was proclaimed to be an inevitable next step after capitalism, etc. Just like in the US today, normal people did not believe it, but paid lip service, when necessary.

    I visited Russia just a few times after I left in 1991. I saw the horrors of the 1990s, when lots of people overnight became dirt poor with nothing guaranteed. As one of my colleagues told me then, “you ran away from horrors of capitalism to the US”. Later the wanton plunder was curbed (many Western and Russian thieves are still smarting and therefore badmouthing Putin) and the country started developing. Right now Russia looks and feels a lot better than it ever was in the USSR. My guess is that current parasites (oligarchs and corrupt state functionaries) suck less lifeblood out of it than previous parasites (party nomenclatura, “brotherly” republics, and “brotherly” socialist countries). Education deteriorated (not to the dismal level of the US, at least not yet), but some things remain: most of healthcare is still free, as well as about half of the places in Universities (for those with high scores on entrance exams), rent and utilities are still low. Right now the standard of living in Moscow is higher than in most European countries. In the provincial cities it is lower, but higher than in Greece, Spain, and most of Eastern Europe.

  360. @JT

    “ Does it bother any of you that even David Irving doesn’t buy the forgery hoax? Or that Eichmann admitted to having written the memo summarizing it?”

    No.

  361. Manny says:

    Thank God for the Papacy.

  362. @Antares

    Antares, you have brilliantly described what it is for your country to have been taken over by aliens from the other side of the ocean, the horrible consequences, how impoverished by their privatization of your taxpayers’ assets, now theirs, the obliteration of your culture, the enslavement, how the criminal aggressors have made you criminal aggressors. Thanks for laying it out so plainly.

  363. Athena says:

    About the return of the extreme-right in Germany: “In Wednesday, a neo-fascist party helped form a regional government in Germany for the first time since the end of Nazi rule.”

    “This was made possible by an alliance between the centre-right Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and the neo-fascist Alternative for Germany (AfD), who joined forces to prevent the Left Party from forming a government, despite the fact that the Left Party received the highest vote in the election.”

    “The announcement marked the first time since the end of the Nazi Third Reich that an establishment party had worked with the fascists to form a government. It represents a shattering of the pledges by the major parties not to cooperate with the neo-fascists of the AfD.75 years after the end of Nazi rule in Germany, the maxim of the German bourgeoisie is no longer “Never again,” but “Onward to new wars and crimes.”

    “This interview, in which Schäuble advocated German rearmament and participation in foreign wars, appeared just one week after German officials held public commemorations of the 75th anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz death camp.”

    “Asked whether Germany must again risk soldiers’ lives in war, Schäuble replied,

    “We cannot leave everything to the French and Americans. The lessons of Auschwitz cannot be an argument for not becoming involved in the long term.”

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/german-ruling-class-commemorates-liberation-auschwitz-planning-new-wars-new-crimes/5703234

    • Disagree: kikl
    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @kikl
    , @Fox
    , @Vaterland
  364. Athena says:

    NATO with its mercenaries, its narco-human trafficking state of Kososo, its support of “rebels” armed with high tech weapons, and affiliated with Al-Quaeda, such as those rebels in Libya Syria Ukraine, and so on, is a MONSTER compared to Russia.

    Russia cleaned the country from all those pseudo ONGs financed by the organised crime and paid by George Soros. Even if Russian leaders form an oligarchy they refuse to lead wars by backing terrorism like those noble countries of the West (US UK Canada and Germany). And Belgium the headquarter.

  365. Saggy says: • Website
    @JT

    Am I missing something?

    Yes. But I won’t tell you what it is. Perhaps you can figure it out. Probably not.

  366. @Athena

    Let’s be honest: that government existed exactly one day in Thuringia, after which the PM elected with the support of AfD resigned. The scandal became a national one, and the chairwoman of Merkel’s CDU resigned next. New elections were scheduled in Thuringia. So, it is now up to Die Linke and AfD to try and get more votes than before (CDU, FDP, and social democrats are consistently going down with each election).

    • Replies: @Fox
    , @Athena
  367. Fox says:
    @Adrian

    One reason to doubt Dutch neutrality in 1940 was that Holland allowed British military air traffic to pass over its territory. If there had been general staff consultations between the Dutch, the French, the British and the arch neutrals, the Belgians, that would have been another reason to doubt Dutch neutrality.
    In the first place, this war should never have taken place, and it was caused by Britain’s and France’s unprovoked declaration of war on Germany.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
  368. kikl says:
    @Athena

    There is nothing “extreme” or “neo-fascist” about the AFD. That’s just the propaganda. “Auschwitz” is a political tool used for discrediting conservative opponents.

    The AFD stands for closed borders,
    They are against huge German financial aids to Greece, Portugal, ….
    They want Germany to remain or become a sovereign nation. Thus less power to the EU.
    They don’t want German involvement in innumerable wars, like Afghanistan…

    None of this is extreme or fascist.

    By the way, the “left party” is the party that ruled communist “east Germany”.

    • Agree: Mike P
  369. Fox says:
    @Athena

    “Neo-fascist party”. The party in question is what forty years ago would have been considered normal in any respect, but since everyone has been moving fast towards the left and Mrs. Merkel is in power for the time being it is normal for someone like her to call from South Africa, that the election in a state she doesn’t even have a say in must be cancelled. That’s how beautiful Democracy can be if you are a sworn Anti-Fascist, career Bolshevic and head of a state in which the dregs of society have been put in power after a catastrophic military defeat.

  370. @Philip Owen

    Reading Gen. v. Seeckt (1928) and Hermann Stegemann (“Weltwende”, 1932), they already predicted WWII in meticulous detail (which for Europe was simple, and for the Pacific also), so it´s not like some inexplicable demonic criminal energy from outer space was at work 😛

  371. Fox says:
    @AnonFromTN

    I can see now where AnonFrom TN is coming from….an ex-pat denizen of the Federal Republic of Germany indulging in rejecting his homeland, after all the hate-mongering and brazen, insolent lying and denigration about his people, his country and history he had to endure in school.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  372. L.K says:
    @Ron Unz

    In case you missed it, the following is a letter from Bacque in which he replied to the criticism from British Court historian, John Keegan. BTW, I found more errors in just one of Keegan’s book, one on the Normandy campaign, than that biased judge gave for Irving’s entire body of work.

    James Bacque Answers a Critic (8/20/1993)
    This is a letter by James Bacque, author of Other Losses. It appeared in The Times Literary Supplement of August 20, 1993.
    https://www.historiography-project.com/misc/bacque_letter.php

    Mr Keegan has been misled by the editors of the book, “Eisenhower and the German POWs: Facts against falsehood,” which he cites to refute me. The principal editor, Stephen E. Ambrose, clearly does not know what he thinks from day to day, because he has varied wildly from strong approval of my book, “Other Losses,” to snarling slanders of me personally, together with buffoonish misrepresentations of American army policies. Having kindly read my manuscript, he wrote to me as follows: “I am not arguing with the basic truth of your discovery…you have the goods on these guys, you have the quotes from those who were present and saw with their own eyes, you have the broad outline of a truth so terrible I really can’t bear it…you really have made a major historical discovery…” It appears from the latest Ambrose writings that, indeed, the truth was something he could not bear.

    The same might be said for his co-editor, Gunter Bischof, an Austrian. Keegan admires the “scholarship” of Bischof, but Bischof does not know a displaced persons camp from a prison camp. He chastises me for stating that there was a U.S. Army prison camp at Ebensee in Austria: he says that the camp was for DPs. In fact, I have photocopies of General Mark Clark’s secret report about the condition of prisoners of war in the camp, plus U.S. Army medical reports of prisoners in the camp, plus eyewitness accounts of the catastrophe among dozens of thousands of prisoners, including the manuscript of a diary kept by the priest Franz Loidl who ministered to the dying. This manuscript is on deposit in the Church History Institute of the Catholic Theological Faculty, University of Vienna.

    In the same book so admired by Keegan is a gross error made by Rudiger Overmanns, who does not even know the number of prisoners taken by the Americans. This was not 3.8 million as he says, but over 6 million, according to U.S. Army records in Suitland, Maryland. Of course, this error, conveniently for Ambrose and Keegan, apparently diminishes the number of lives for which the Americans were responsible.

    Mr Keegan does not accept the definition of the term “Other Losses” given me by Colonel Philip S. Lauben. He is unaware of the U.S. Army report discovered by Richard Boylan, a senior archivist at the U.S. National Archives, which confirms Lauben. The report plainly states that the “Other Loses” category of prisoners meant deaths and escapes. …

    • Thanks: SolontoCroesus
  373. L.K says:
    @Mike P

    You’re Welcome, Mike.

    So many layers of propaganda and disinfo, it is mind boggling!

    Take care.

  374. Adrian says:
    @Antares

    Well, to begin with I agree with many of your complaints, particularly those concerning the servility towards Israel, but have you ever considered what would have been Holland’s fate if Germany had won that war? To begin with It would have been annexed by Germany, possibly as “Gau Holland”. This was already being discussed around 1941,

    This was of course the old dream of the German nationalist historian and parliamentarian Heinrich von Treitschke (he who coined the term “Die Juden sind unser Unglück” – The Jews are our misfortune) who regarded Holland as a fallen off part of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation. It had to be gotten back because Germany needed those great river basins on the North Sea Coast.

    And there was more.

    The idea was also to resettle a large part of the Dutch population in the newly acquired territories in the East. I will quote from the Ph.D. thesis Dr. Alex J.Kay submitted in 2005 to the Humboldt University in Berlin under the title “Neuordnung und Hungerpolitik” and which was published a year later in English as “Exploitation, Resettlement, Mass Murder. Political and Economic Planning for German Occupation Policy in the Soviet Union, 1940 – 1945 “, New York/Oxford 2006.

    Kay writes:

    “In a letter dated 4 April 1941 and addressed to the Higher SS and Police Leader North-West in the Netherlands, SS-Brigadeführer Hanns Rauter, the main topic of which was the settlement of Reich Germans in the Netherlands, Himmler also mentioned his intention to move “capable” Dutch people to the East “after the conclusion of the war”. With this in mind, he continued, it seemed appropriate not to satisfy “too quickly” the desire of the Dutch to find employment possibilities in their native land …Sometime between then and 9 May 1941,(he) issued an order to his staff in the Office of the Reich Commissar for the strengthening of German Nationhood to prepare for the recruitment of Dutch and Flemish people for settlement in the East after the war”

    A report was drafted “On the preparatory Work for the obtaining of Dutch and Flemish settlers for the New Eastern Territories”

    “Echoing Himmler’s letter to SS-Brigadeführer Rauter five weeks earlier, the report …suggested that the prerequisite for a large scale resettlement of Dutch and Flemish people in the East was for employment possibilities in the Netherlands, Belgium and the adjoining French territory to remain restricted”.

    But there was an obvious difficulty. The authors of the report

    “recognized, however, that the willingness of those circles which “set the tone” in the Netherlands to cooperate with Germany was “decidedly slight”…The fear already evident in the national socialist and nationalist circles in the Netherlands, according to the report, that an intensive recruitment for the East would deprive these circles of exactly those people who – at least from a point of view sympathetic to the the Nazis – were needed in the Netherlands”.

    You can find it all online.

    So exactly those people who had shown to be against the German occupation would be “resettled” somewhere in the
    East. Would that be volunary? Not very likely.

    So annexation by Germany, the immigration of many ethnic Germans and the forced resettlement of part of the Dutch population in the East.

    The resistance to this would never have died down and increased resistance would have invoked increased repression and terror. So the miseries of the occupation of 1940-45 would not just have endured, they would have increased.

    And what would your fate have been? You grumble now under the light fate of living in a vassal state of the Empire. You would have grumbled even more under a German dispensation. And grumblers they wanted to get rid of. So it would have been off with you to the East – preferably to a part where you cannot get a spade into the ground because of the permafrost.

    Seriously:

    The Dutch and the Germans are, in spite of all racialist fantasies about a Germanic community of blood, two quite different peoples – each with their own history, traditions and political culture. Even Von Treitschke, whom I mentioned above, recognised that. When he actually came to visit Holland he gave up his fantasies about it being incorporated in a greater German Empire – his hope for this “had dwindled a lot” (“ist sehr gesunken”) he wrote.

    • Replies: @Vaterland
    , @Antares
  375. Adrian says:
    @Staudegger

    Well I don’t know about Belgium but as far as the fate of Holland under German dispensation is concerned look for my answer to Antares.

    I don’t think yours would have been very different actually.

  376. PS says:

    The Russian people is not impeccable. But under the ashes of tragic mistakes, retreats and innumerable sufferings the flame of faith and repentance is still glimmering, and God protects it. Much has already happened, unknown to bystanders and historians alike. And much more is yet to come – do not stay unprepared. Do start saving your own precious souls.

  377. Adrian says:
    @nokangaroos

    Oh I understand – it was all the Dutch’ own fault that that city was flattened. From what Nazi paper of the time did you get that bit of prose?

    And incidentally that poet’s name was “Bloem”not “Blum” – and he was not Jewish if you wanted to suggest that.

  378. Tsigantes says:
    @neutral

    I’m Greek and I second Anatoly Karlin and John Johnson here. The racism of the Germans is apparent even in the supposed anti-racists quotes given above – if only the quoters had eyes to see.

    This racism is still evident today as the modern Germans [while crashing & looting Greece from 2010 onward] insist that the ancient Greeks were in fact German – LOL, when “Germany” was a forest – and that present day Greeks are “mongrel levantines” [as if this is an insult], a claim that goes back almost 200 years to the period of German mania for ancient Greece. Unfortunately their claim is negated by DNA genetics – just as they, as everyone are part-mongrel. This was repeated almost daily during the Greek crisis by publications such as Bild and on the internet. It is still circulated now, in english.

    Furthermore, it should be noted that the extreme Hitler-as-God revisionism is coming exclusively out of the anglo-american-zio countries…what CAN that mean? Why is it not coming out of continental Europe, where – by the way – Hitler was and is actually NOT seen as an eye-twirling demon, even though he attacked and occupied many of the countries who to this day hold this level headed view.

    It should also be noted that in the ‘West’ the obsession with race & racism is held by the Exceptionalist countries only: USA, UK, Israel [and still-captive] Germany. And it is these countries that have promoted and sheltered Nazis. Obedient little Canada now too. What can that mean?
    Nobody seems willing to ask this question…

    A hasty reply on the fly.

    • Troll: Trinity, L.K
    • Replies: @Vaterland
  379. Tsigantes says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Thanks, AnonfromTN!

    Americans have now become so saturated with “revisionist” history on top of 70 years of anglo-american propaganda, on top of 10 centuries of anti-Byzantine / Orthodox propaganda and on the whole a TOTAL ignorance of any European history west of Holland…..that the mind simply boggles at the sheer side-taking white hat / black hat ignorance on display….

    I welcome your comments from my perch in Athens, Greece….where we are thrown once again to the dogs by our supposed NATO allies….

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  380. Vaterland says:
    @Athena

    The blatant lies about the AfD, the Auschwitz propaganda and the ‘Eternal Nazi’ used to justify immoral policy and oppression, the propaganda of the victors of WW 2 as the all dominant ideology of the state apparatus, the Orwellian construct overall, the de facto dictatorship in the name of “democracy”, finally this corrupt, self-enriching political so called elite controlled by foreign pressures and foreign actors. It’s like a microcosm of this anti-German state on German soil and the ongoing war against the German spirit and people. We’re slowly but surely going beyond Honecker and Mielke territory. If you want to study the empire, you have to study the USA, the UK and Germany.

    Thank God I never went into the military. In the end they will end up with no one fighting for this state. Or the Empire behind it. Which is good.

  381. Vaterland says:
    @Adrian

    Heinrich von Treitschke (he who coined the term “Die Juden sind unser Unglück” – The Jews are our misfortune)

    No, that was Martin Luther actually.

    who regarded Holland as a fallen off part of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation.

    It is beyond a shadow of a doubt.

    It had to be gotten back because Germany needed those great river basins on the North Sea Coast.

    It’s not “getting” it back, it’s about reunification as with “East” Germany. Or Austria. And it has nothing to do with possessions, but about returning to a natural order of things.

    The Dutch and the Germans are, in spite of all racialist fantasies about a Germanic community of blood, two quite different peoples – each with their own history, traditions and political culture.

    Haha, yes indeed! Oh wait…no. Not at all. I certainly don’t know who you are, although I have some suspicions, but I do have met many Dutch. Just recently a family of very kind and affable journalists and their children who were more on the liberal, multi-cultural side of the political spectrum than I am. Lucky, friendly, optimistic people whom I became great friends with. It was one of the few experiences in this time of total fanaticism which convinced me that understanding and empathy could be possible beyond the borders of political camps.

    So in about twenty years now and in particular with them I have encountered nothing that could have convinced me, that we aren’t fundamentally the same people with a different Germanic dialect and some cultural variations. And at absolute minimum the closest brother folk we have in all of Europe. I can even concede that some things I find superior in the Netherlands. Especially politically right now, but also culturally. I also work for a Dutch company right now. The only real rivalry between us is Fußball, but that’s like Dortmund vs. Bayern.

    As for the Third Reich considerations: I am pretty sure that sooner or later Unz himself or some of his quality authors will seriously investigate the whole Generalplan Ost issue. Either way, both Germans and Dutch are far greater and far older than the 13 year regime. And I have no interest in the slightest to be dictated by a government which has gone under over 70 years ago. Or by the US empire. Or anyone else. Such questions today are between Germans and Dutch alone. And very generally speaking we like to love each other.

  382. Vaterland says:
    @Tsigantes

    the modern Germans [while crashing & looting Greece from 2010 onward]

    The nerve of people like you… Your government used Goldman Sachs to fraud your economic numbers to swindle yourself into the Euro Zone and the only person who was rightly against admitting you in, also for your own economic sake, was the German Edmund Stoiber. Then your state went bankrupt, thanks to severe government corruption, political nepotism, a blown up state apparatus, black labor, endemic tax evasion, a bloated and dysfunctional pension system, and an economy which was not ready for introducing the Euro. That was all the doing of your political system. It has nothing to do with us. Fortunately some Greeks do understand this and are able to reform. Then Germany saved your state from total bankruptcy with billions upon billions of easy credit. And as a thank you, as usual, we get called Nazis! As a bonus you were more than happy to shuttle those migrant streams further into our country as “revenge” for the “crime” of saving your banana republic from total collapse.

    insist that the ancient Greeks were in fact German

    Absolutely nobody believes that. No one. It’s so ridiculous, I am baffled someone would even try to claim such obvious nonsense.

  383. @Vaterland

    Yes. The banksters are a plague on humanity, but the Greeks have no one to blame but themselves for their economic woes.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  384. Meimou says:
    @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    There are several red flags about Saker, but his (((denial of race))) is the only one I need.

  385. @Fox

    You are a bit off. I am originally from Russia. In fact, it is more complicated: I was born in Western Ukraine, grew up in Eastern Ukraine (the part that now is Lugansk People’s Republic), and went to college in Moscow. When I left in May 1991, the country still was Soviet Union. Now it is 15 recognized and at least 6 partially recognized countries.

  386. @Tsigantes

    Thanks! I am trying to inject some sanity into the discussion overloaded with Hitler fanboys/girls. This “club”, just like during WWII, includes quite a few self-proclaimed Muslims. This is probably due to Hitler’s hostility toward Jews (an enemy of my enemy is my friend). Ignorance of many “contributors” is unbelievable. Then again, the less a person knows, the surer this person is of his/her “views”.

  387. @Vaterland

    Do you deny the existence of the Dutch as a separate people?

    If no- OK.

    If yes- nothing to talk about.

  388. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Premised on “every nation has the government it deserves”, the Greeks can be faulted for the quality of government they allowed to rule them for the last several decades. Let’s not forget that austerity imposed by the EU+IMF robs the poor, but not the fat cats whose thievery is actually responsible for the financial predicament of Greece. Banksters don’t let their ilk suffer.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  389. @Trinity

    Agreed. Watch him get a gold star next. He already had one of this comments gold bordered.

  390. Anon[326] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vaterland

    The Saker wrote:

    the fact that gas chambers were probably not used to kill anybody (at least not in significant amounts) does not at all imply that many hundreds of thousands, or even million of people, were not killed by execution, starvation or disease (typhus, dysentery, etc.).

    If AaronB likes this article, he therefore acknowledges that “gas chambers were probably not used to kill anybody (at least not insignificant amount”.

  391. anon[326] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vaterland

    Then Germany saved your state from total bankruptcy with billions upon billions of easy credit.

    Germany didn’t save anybody, except German and French banks that had taken risks in lending money to a corrupt government for useless projects (Olympics, dubious infrastructures).
    The Greeks had voted to get out of the euro, but the “Troika” (under German influence) prevented this democratic choice to be implemented.
    Today, after many sacrifices that led to the destruction of the Greek social net, and after the sales of many healthy infrastructures and states companies to mainly German investors, Greece debt level is worse than it was before Greece was “saved”. A disaster. But the German and French banks got rid of their Greek bad debts…

  392. druid55 says:
    @melpol

    And prior to Capitalists they were bolshevist/communists. And prior to that something else. Like a weather-cock, however they can take advantage of the system, use/abuse the goy, get ill-gotten riches, etc.

    • Replies: @melpol
  393. @AnonFromTN

    Largely agree. The fact is, regardless of past mistakes, the Greeks have had opportunities to move on, but all they did was elect some fake leftists. Sadly they can’t kick their addiction.

  394. @anon

    Yes, but the Greeks’ only viable choices are (serious) short-term pain but long-term health, vs continued grinding austerity that benefits the banksters at the expense of ordinary citizens. They’ve chosen the latter.

    • Replies: @anon
  395. @Vaterland

    It’s not “getting” it back, it’s about reunification as with “East” Germany. Or Austria. And it has nothing to do with possessions, but about returning to a natural order of things.

    Meh, that’s just silly. Dutch and German aren’t mutually intelligible without at least some effort, and the Dutch have their own national myths (80-year war, also their colonial history in the East Indies) and religious traditions going back to at least the 16th century. They’ve clearly been a separate nation for a long time, as are the Swiss. Austria is more ambiguous, at least in relation to southern Germany, but it would be foolish to entertain any thoughts of annexations based on a supposedly “natural” order.

    • Replies: @Fox
  396. @Vaterland

    I am pretty sure that sooner or later Unz himself or some of his quality authors will seriously investigate the whole Generalplan Ost issue.

    The Unzian type of “revisionism” is a total dead-end, can’t be taken seriously and will never convince even most right-wingers in Germany, let alone anybody else. I think some revisionism is needed (or at least a different way of looking at the historical facts), Germany’s warped culture of remembrance with all its taboos is a real problem. But it would be a mistake to adopt absurd myths like “Holocaust didn’t happen” or “Eisenhower starved 1 million German pows to death”, that merely turns you into a pathetic laughing stock.

    • Troll: L.K
  397. druid55 says:
    @John Johnson

    Poland pushed him too far, especially after the guarantee of Britain and France that they would side with poland no matter what they did. hitler made a reasonable offer to Poland regarding Danzig – the Poles were intransigent. They also starting abusing the Germans under their control.
    The Germans also did bad things, butlet’s tell the truth about events.
    Germany was treated poorly after WW1 at Versailles and it’s not surpsising that they wanted to redress the issues!
    Remember “Germany Must Dei”, bu kaufman, International jewry declaring war on Germany in the early 30’s. Churchill said, If it wasn’t for the Jews WW2 would not have occurred. Also, Churchill was a warmonger and bought and paid for by our “friends”.

  398. melpol says:
    @druid55

    Sweet natured Jews are hard to find. No Jew can survive by being sugary sweet. Being smart and clever is the best option. There is less social pressure put on the goy, they can afford to be sweet and still survive.

    • Agree: Cowboy
    • Replies: @Meimou
  399. @Rahan

    “Stalin and Mao may have higher bodycounts than Hitler”
    Mao has NO body counts other than those that died do to lack of food brought on by the great drought. i.e. nature did it. And Stalin didnt give China any food to help.
    There were no gulags in China, Mao is supported by 99.99% population. His picture was placed by Deng Xiaoping even thought Deng was placed under arrest by Mao for having different ideas. Fact: the disastrous cultural revolution was the idea of Mao’ second wife who was arrested after his death in the gang of 4 trials. The idea that Mao killed millions is false Western propaganda just like the other propaganda put put out by Eurocentric historians. If that was the case his picture would not be on Tian An Men. Mao savd Chna from the Japanese (worst atrocities of WWII)

  400. Vojkan says:
    @AnonFromTN

    One could go even further in the past, to the 13th century when Alexander Nevski crushed first Swedish then Teutonic invaders. Some people hold on to their beliefs like dogs hold on to bones. Presenting them facts is a wasted effort.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  401. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    Unz at one point had the potential to become a genuine dissident cultural force, but about a year ago become so extreme, unhinged, and eccentric that it is basically finished as a serious place.

    It is still a fun and quirky place to hang out and retains some of its Wild West flavor. I just hope that Ron doesn’t continue in his efforts to make the place boring, although he seems to be scaling back a bit on that – this place is far too unhinged to ever be respectable, but it can have value as just a crazy Wild West kind of place where all sorts of characters, unsavoury, quirky, or just plain weird, can congregate.

    It would me making an immense contribution to culture – and sanity! – to simply provide a place where people can just be themselves, however unsavoury, absurd, and weird. Where you can speak and write from the hip, without caring. It seems so simple, but its huge.

    The genius of Ron was in creating an uncontrolled space – but there is little personal glory in that, and inevitably he wants to impose his vision, which turns out to be a mixture of the banal and the unhinged. Few people know when to leave well enough alone and end up destroying what they create by overcontrolling.

    Perhaps one can find personal glory in resisting the urge to impose and control – so common and human – and providing a space that allows people to put the ugliness and strangeness of human nature on display.

  402. Vojkan says:
    @German_reader

    Anti-semitic policies did happen. Internment of Jews and non-Jews in camps did happen. Death of Jews and non-Jews due to diseases in camps did happen. Execution of Jews and non-Jews did happen. Several hundred thousand Jews did die during WWII. Fifty to fifty-five million non-Jewish civilians died during WWII. That much is documented. Holocaust – if by that word we mean what it actually means – DID NOT happen. Jewish suffering is neither unique nor the worst. I don’t feel compelled to have more compassion for them than for other victims. They can call it a “shoah” but “Holocaust”, with or without an initial capital, definitely not.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  403. anon[248] • Disclaimer says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    They’ve chosen the latter.

    No, the Greek people chose the former by voting to get out of euro, but the EU blackmailed their government and their democratic choice was overturned.

  404. ken19 says:

    The fact that the USSR was preparing for an invasion of Germany and Europe is always left out. German intelligence found this out which explains why Germany decided to attack first. The attack however was not thoroughly planned and poorly executed which played a large part in their humiliating defeat.
    The fact the West eventually won the war played well for the USSR to claim their innocence to all the above and claiming they were attacked for little or no reason. The reason the USSR did so poorly in the beginning was they were planning offensive operations and therefore had little in the way of defenses.
    And if truth be told I would wager the Communists in Russia killed more Russians then Germany. Of course Russia would never admit this just like America would never admit how many Germans starved to death in their camps after the war ended even though food was available.
    WWII was an evil war with all parties equally guilty but the winner(s) always get to determine the writing of history.
    As for racial feelings of superiority, this has been a constant throughout history and still exists. America claims to be the exceptional people. The Jewish in Israel also claim to be the superior race. No race is superior. They each contribute to humankind. The problem is they each want to be the King of the Mountain. It’s the one human characteristic that may destroy the specie.

    • Replies: @Nonny Mouse
  405. @AaronB

    Surprisingly, I have to agree with you, the main value of the site indeed is the opportunity for unrestricted discussion. If that was ever restricted, Unz review wouldn’t have much value imo except for a rather specific clientele.

    • Agree: AaronB
    • Replies: @Nonny Mouse
  406. Antares says:
    @Adrian

    Well, to begin with I agree with many of your complaints, particularly those concerning the servility towards Israel,

    That was the best point, thanks.

    but have you ever considered what would have been Holland’s fate if Germany had won that war? To begin with It would have been annexed by Germany, possibly as “Gau Holland”. This was already being discussed around 1941,

    My challenge is to understand politics and not to become a part of it. I don’t have to choose a side.

    Btw, the second world war can only be interpreted as the unavoidable outcome of the Treaty of Versailles. The war was planned by ‘our’ side. It was ‘unneccesary’.

    The resistance to this would never have died down and increased resistance would have invoked increased repression and terror. So the miseries of the occupation of 1940-45 would not just have endured, they would have increased.

    Spies paid or fooled by Britain. Without foreign support they would have ceased.

    • Replies: @Adrian
  407. Antares says:
    @anon

    But the German and French banks got rid of their Greek bad debts…

    Exactly true. Greece was sold to the bankers.

  408. @Vojkan

    Thanks! Ron Unz once told me that a lot more people read the comments than post them. So, I am not writing for the “true believers” in various kinds of BS, but for the honest open-minded people who might read these threads.

    • LOL: L.K
  409. @Vojkan

    Holocaust – if by that word we mean what it actually means – DID NOT happen

    Nah, it did happen, there really was a coordinated attempt to kill all the Jews under German control (to a considerable extent successful). And I’d even say it was unique, despite all the attempts by other groups (who often inflate the numbers of their dead much more than Jews do) to also have the “genocide” label attached to their own suffering. No doubt German plans for Poles, Russians, Gypsies and others were extremely sinister, but they weren’t genocidal in the narrow sense (whether they would have become so after a German victory is impossible to say imo). Jews really did hold a special place in the Nazi mind.
    The real question is what all this should mean in 2020. Does it mean there has to be unconditional support for “anti-racism” and multiculturalism, until the coffee-colored utopia arrives? Should Jews be beyond reproach and be given moral authority over all white gentiles? Should it be illegitimate to ask, whether antisemitism, even in its most extreme eliminationist form, doesn’t have a certain rational basis in the observable behaviour of all too many Jews? I don’t think so. But pretending the Holocaust is just fiction strikes me as extremely silly.

    • Troll: Saggy
    • Replies: @Vojkan
    , @Saggy
    , @Seraphim
  410. Vojkan says:
    @German_reader

    Calling it Holocaust is silly at best, and disingenuous if you know the definition of the word. It is called a “Holocaust” to instill the belief that Jewish victims are holier than others and that Israel is God’s sacred nation. Historical facts don’t support the claim. The point is not to deny that Jews have been victims solely because they were Jews, the point is to deny that what happened is unique to Jews and that it somehow involves God’s will to restore Israel.
    History says it is not unique, Romans weren’t shy of exterminating women and children of vanquished tribes, and the massacres did have a superior race vs inferior race element, Jews slaughtered a quarter of a million Greeks in Cyprus in the 2nd century AD, even the Jewish Torah alleges that Jews did to others, justifying it by Jewish God’s given supremacy, what Germans allegedly did to Jews, who, if we assume that they were targeted for genocide, weren’t the only ones and didn’t die in larger proportions than other groups during WWII.
    From a historical point of view, Jewish suffering during the Nazi era is nothing exceptional.

    • Thanks: Beefcake the Mighty
  411. @Truth3

    Hard to say really …
    Shouldn´t the lies be a little less obvious then?
    Besides, even lies and rumors are valuable clues – who says it and why?
    e.g. Richard Sorge advocated gaining access by offering real, valuable information.
    So peruse anything that´s offered (unless it amounts to DDoS) and sift it later.
    Relying on the pre-digested stuff out of lazyness is giving away too much control –
    and I for one come here to avoid the bubble 😀

  412. @A Portuguese Man

    Popes are politicians like Clinton or Macron. There was a schism between the Catholic and Orthodox Church in 1054. The Popes declared the crusades in order to punish the Orthodox. The Fourth Crusade destroyed Byzantium, an Orthodox kingdom. The Crusaders killed thousands of Orthodox Christians in Jerusalem. It was not by mistake as has been claimed. The crusades were not against Islam per se but to punish the Orthodox and the motivations for the actual Crusaders was to carve out kingdoms for themselves. Then the Pope sent the Teutonic Knights to convert the Baltic Pagans to Catholicism or to kill them; and to force, brutally, the Orthodox to become Catholic. C’est la vie.

    • Replies: @Dannyboy
  413. @AnonFromTN

    According to you, Russians are the only people who are not brainwashed by their governments, and they “do not believe in fairy tales.” The Russians not under German occupation could only know about the German occupation from what the rulers said. Russians think that Russian tanks had slogans which said “For the homeland, for Stalin.” This, for example, is not true. This bit of “knowledge” comes from the post-war movie “Victory.” As you doubtless know, or apparently not, the NKVD stood behind the Russian troops with machine guns to prevent them from retreating. And if the German occupation was so horrible why were Tatars from Crimea deported for “collaboration?” They knew the German occupation, that’s why. What was horrible was that Leningrad was not allowed to surrender, but was put through the meat grinder by the People’s Commissars.
    You say “the bottom line is that Russians know the reality?” That would be a first. You believe in fairy tales.

    • Agree: utu, L.K
  414. @utu

    Remember Lavrov’s ” and who are you to fxxxxxx lecture me ? ” . Rome was not built in a day, and the Saker did more than its bit to convene the rest of us to an insightful research. Merci pour lui 🙂

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  415. @Vaterland

    Well actually …
    the Doric invaders who tore the swarthy indies a new asshole came from the North (which in this case means little as there is no other direction), carried spears, round shields (as opposed to the figure-8 Mycenaean) and double-edged swords (xiphos as opposed to kopis), and their nobility were blond (xanthos).
    But German? Sounds like something the Ahnenerbe rejected as too wacky 😀

    What the Greeks do not grok is that Deutsche Bank is roughly as deutsch as Drafi Deutscher –
    we are all getting reamed.

  416. @jerome_montreal

    You mean his intent was just to throw a rock among the dragon seed?
    If so, congratulations 😀

  417. Saggy says: • Website
    @German_reader

    Nah, it did happen, there really was a coordinated attempt to kill all the Jews under German control

    This is just pure idiocy and I notice that you don’t provide any justification at all. Ergo, you are a troll.

    If you would like to see the proof that the holocaust is a 100% hoax, just ask and I’ll spell it out, or visit ..
    http://www.holohoax101.org
    http://www.bitchute.com/rumpelstiltskin/

  418. @ploni almoni

    A lot of people in the USSR were brainwashed. Yet fewer than 50% believed the official propaganda by 1980s. That’s why when the greedy party bosses crashed the system to steal more than they were allowed before, there weren’t many willing to defend it in 1991.

    I am sure a different kind of brainwashing is going on in Russia right now. I don’t know how successful it is. Judging by what I hear from people living there, not successful at all. However, the great majority of Russians today subscribe to the view expressed in a joke: “everything they told us about socialism was a lie, but everything they told us about capitalism turned out to be perfectly true”.

    I also know that the uniformity of “opinion” in all MSM that exists in the West today was achieved only twice before: under Stalin in the USSR and under Hitler in Nazi Germany. Even party-controlled Soviet press in Brezhnev era presented much greater variety of opinions.

    After Nazis were kicked out, the Russians learned about the occupation from those who survived it, not from propaganda. The descendants of the survivors, like me, learned about it from parents and grandparents, also not from propaganda.

    I’ve heard the stories about NKVD troops behind the real ones many times over. Not from the people who actually served at the front, but from armchair warriors. These stories even made it into some WWII movies in Russia. My nephew, when he was about 12 years old, after watching such a movie asked a simple question: who was behind those troops? Adults believing in fairy tales never ask simple questions that might damage their cherished beliefs.

    Germans allowed collaborating Crimean Tatars to fulfill their dream: kill Jews, Russians, and Ukrainians with impunity and take their property. Not all Crimean Tatars collaborated, though, quite a few fought and were decorated. Some even received the Hero of the Soviet Union (the highest military decoration at the time, equivalent of the Hero of Russia today).

    Leningrad suffered significant losses during siege. However, in nearby smaller towns that were occupied by Germans the fraction of the surviving civilians was smaller than in Leningrad, which lived through the siege. Naturally, armchair warriors extolling the virtues of surrender ignore this fact.

    I know for a fact that nothing was written on Soviet tanks in real life. A tank detachment liberated the town where my grandparents lived. One tank stopped by the house of my grandparents. Their house had a well, and the driver asked my grandfather to help him wash his tracks, as German soldiers were smeared all over them. My grandfather had such fond memories of the occupation that he eagerly helped the driver and even gave him some food afterwards.

  419. Fox says:
    @German_reader

    Have you ever heard someone speaking Plattdeutsch or Swabian? If so, you’d know that German dialects are not always easily comprehensible to people from other rregions or those who know only the standard speech High German. Germans along the Dutvh border can understand them just fine, because they speak the same language, just as Swabians have no trouble conversing with the Swiss and, of course the Alsatians. Your opinion is based in your seeming lack of broader understanding of German. Vaterland was not talking about annexations, but of natural unification – such as was the case with Austria or the Suden countries, much to the dismay of certain people, as you well feel and know, but nonetheless it reflected the will of the people in these provinces as well as in the core of Germany, i.e., it was democracy as it is understood by people who attach meaning to the translation “rule of the people”.

    • Replies: @Adrian
  420. Cyrano says:
    @ploni almoni

    the NKVD stood behind the Russian troops

    I know that an a**hole like you interprets this as cowardice by the Russians. I see it differently. I see it as confirmation that not even the synergy between the Nazis and NKVD could defeat the Russians.

    Basically the Russians were fighting on 2 fronts – one in front of them, one at their backs – and they still won. As fair as fairy tales go, you don’t have the intelligence to penetrate the depth of the deception that you have been subjected to in the west.

  421. Paw says:
    @Anonymous

    And Hitler showed clearly how the Slavs are superior to germans and the west..Today it continues..
    Bye ,bye its american pie..

  422. Adrian says:
    @Antares

    You wrote about the Dutch Resistance during the Second World War:

    Spies paid or fooled by Britain. Without foreign support they would have ceased.

    f these people had known that post-war Holland would produce people with opinions like yours they might not have bothered putting their lives on the line. I haven’t lived there for a long time and I am genuinely shocked. I hope you only represent yourself. Goodbye.

    • Disagree: Jett Rucker
  423. @Curmudgeon

    The Polish leadership were emboldened by the useless guarantees of the British to defend them against German aggression. Had Churchill not been determined to make war on England’s continental economic rival, the invasion of Poland may never have occurred.

  424. Sean says:

    It simply and only means that Muslims, and even Turks, are not see as “national enemies” by Russians.

    Peter Turchin disagrees with you. He says the Muslim threat was the origin and making of Russia, something that Chechens have reminded Russia of.

    AT the time, Turchin was going through what he jokingly calls his “mid-life crisis” – when, aged 40, he ditched biology and ran off with history. Part of what attracted him to the question of why societies implode is that he had personally witnessed one self-destruct. He was born in Russia, but his family defected to the US in 1978, and he did not return to Moscow until 1992. “That was the year things collapsed completely,” he recalls. It was December – “dark, horrible. There were drunk people lying everywhere.” He and his wife passed a blown-up car on the way to the market and watched mafiosi extort cash from terrified stallholders while the police looked on.

    The founder of Alcoholics Anonymous gave up drinking as the result of a psychedelic experience , no one needs LSD or MDMA more that Ukrainians. My cousin worked with the Ukrainian army on a UN mission and he said they were over the legal blood alcohol concentrations for driving all day every day because they had vodka with every meal including breakfast, just differently flavours with team or pepper. For special occasions they froze the water out out vodka, and it was like a syrup. I am wondering if Yamanaya ancestry has something to do with alcoholism.

    THE timber industry funded his research into periodic and costly infestations of a pest called the southern pine beetle. At the time, the standard procedure for controlling the beetle was to spray pesticide at the site of an infestation. … better strategy was to fell and remove affected trees.More broadly, he had shown that it was possible to intervene in a complex ecological system to make its crises less severe and maximise its chances of recovery.

    Adilson Motter has talked about similar modifications to networks including knocking out healthy genes to aid efficiency (BRAESS’s paradox). Liquidation of a whole group would seem a very effective strategy . From the practical point of view resource management of endangered species food webs, in which extinction of many species might follow sequentially, selective removal of a doomed species from the network could in principle bring about the positive outcome of preventing a series of further extinctions. There are obvious parallels in human society.

    Chechen Government Is Reportedly Kidnapping And Murdering Gay Men But the Chechen government denies that gay men even exist in Chechnya. “You cannot arrest or repress people who just don’t exist in the republic,” a spokesman told Interfax.

    Anyway, why would Hitler not exterminate the the Jews? As Aly and Heim show in their book Architects of Annihilation the top technocratic brains of Germany were trying make the East economically dynamic, and the main problems were two groups that had out ground their niche, Jews and peasants. Jews were extremely numerous and blocking the development of an indigenous middle class. The fertility of Ukrainian land had created a rural overpopulation problem, despite the large numbers that had left for Siberia in Tsarist times. Why would Hitler, who had no problem with killing German gentile handicapped children, several million POWs and all Jewish men then women and children in conquered territory as an anti partisan measure, not have ordered German and West European Jews to be quietly annihilated? In Jan 1939 Hitler threatened to them in, and implicitly boasted of making good on his threat in 1942. These were public speeches.

    Obviously the days when countries conquered to get arable land are long gone, and killing off a whole people is out of favour, but attacking societies such as Saddam’s Iraq or Ukraine and causing the deaths of tens or hundreds of thousands of innocent people is perfectly logical, even if it is not moral.

    • Replies: @Bookish1
  425. @ploni almoni

    What was horrible was that Leningrad was not allowed to surrender, but was put through the meat grinder by the People’s Commissars.

    Germans didn’t intend to accept a surrender (not interested in having to provide food for all the inhabitants), there were also orders to shoot any civilians trying to break out. iirc there was also targeting of food depots by artillery and air attacks. So it doesn’t really matter that the Soviets never asked for surrender, there was a starvation strategy in place anyway.

    • Agree: AnonFromTN, Mitleser
    • Troll: utu
    • Replies: @Fox
  426. seeuhay says:

    I have to admit that Mr. Putin’s statement on who started the WWII made me speechless for a good while. A seasoned 3D chess player would never allow himself to be put into an embarrassing position of making an emotionally charged move. And that tells me that someone with direct access to Mr. Putin’s raw nerve, or other sensitive part for that matter, hit a bullseye. One is not likely to find who that hero(s) is for a good while – for all we know he may already have been made faceless and nameless, as it is put politely in the 3D chess tournaments. Either way, I think that congratulations are in order. A most sincere attaboy!

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  427. Fox says:
    @German_reader

    There was a pathway left open for supply or escape of the inhabitants; however, Stalin wouldn’t let them leave, they were trapped by their own people.
    Even you, “German reader” ought to find fault with that. I am curious how you turn this into a German misdeed; that you will can be safely predicted from everything you post.

    • Agree: Jett Rucker
    • Replies: @Mike P
  428. anaccount says:

    It seems some Russians are too proud to admit that they fought a massive and equally avoidable war largely for Zionist interests. Its this same pride that makes Russia so (seemingly) invulnerable to globo-homo but I hope they realize that Jews play the long game, and play it well. My country used to have pride too. When globalist cuckold Reagan said that freedom can be lost in a generation it wasn’t a warning, it was a prediction! I’m an American with ancestors that died fighting Germany and Japan but that doesnt change the truth that I am certain of now. The truth can be a heavy burden to bear.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @seeuhay
  429. Seraphim says:
    @ploni almoni

    All armies forbade surrender and desertion. Everyone was expected to fight to the last man.

  430. This article has to be trolling, lol.
    Russia is the most moral, most perfect, least prejudiced, Xanada in all the world. I seriously do sympathize with Russia, but that I will save for serious articles.
    So much of the article is absurd. Third Rome? Really? Lol. Russia not having any racial conflict? That’s got to be a trolling attempt. African businessmen have been absolutely brutalized in Russia, and these aren’t Deonte and Rashad and em, but educated, productive businessmen, who have little to no tie to American hood antics. It was Serbians (not Russian, but part of the same “Third Rome,” as Orthodox Christians) who beat young Bakari Henderson in Greece, to death for flirting with their women. The idea that such is unheard of in Russia is nonsense. You don’t even have to know anything about it, to see the absurdity. “There’s no racism in Canada, don’t chya know?” That is the level of presentation there.

    Seeing the muslims as neighbors? Like the U.S.S.R. did in Afghanistan? Are the Chechens your neighbors? You’re telling me if I go to Kazakhstan, and talk to actual Muslim Kazakhs, they will insist that Russians are their “neighbors?” All those Tajiks?

    I don’t have any concern for Hitler, or the Third Reich, or Germany in general. I’m American, so the “Western Alt-Right” is more about restoring the vision of the Founders than anything to do with WWII, other than it being a turning point for the globalist empire replacing the true America.

    In fact, the views of my grandfathers, both of whom fought for the Allies in WWII, are what get people labeled as “nazis,” today.
    Border conflicts between Poland, Ukraine, Russia, etc. have nothing to do with the “Western Alt-Right” for me. Not wanting to pay for Shameka’s 7 blessins, by 4 baby daddies, is what gets me put in the same camp as Hitler, or “Ukronazis,” or whatever.

    But to the final issue:
    Isn’t it weird, that someone who loves Russia THAT MUCH, who idealizes it more than most of us idealize anything, is living in Shithole, Florida?
    If I were Russian, could speak Russian, I’d be in Russia, where all the chicks are thin and hot. Instead, Saker is loving those BBWs and meth addicts in crazy ass Florida. Dude is writing about the “Third Rome” on sacred ground, where Saint Bosephus had his whiskey on ice, and women on fire.

    Ultimately, while I sympathize with the Saker most of the time, him living in the United States is too hypocritical for me to respect him; in another articoe, he went HAM on American soldiers, calling them all sorts of murderers and such. If you have the option, you should leave America, or any country, if you feel that way about the country’s soldiers.

    Furthermore,
    He can kiss the ass of Jews. He can claim there’s this unity between them and Russians, but if he does, and lives in
    Florida, he must be a shut-in.

    The Jews in the U.S.A. are the SOURCE for Russia-hysteria. They have expressed an almost inherent hatred for Russia and Russians. Whether or not a pogrom happened in Ukraine, or Russia “proper” (is that even a term?) is clearly not an important distinction, since it’s Jews behind nearly 100% of Russia hysteria, and most Jews in America definitely DO hold Russia responsible.
    There is no “Anglo-Zionist” Empire. There is a Zionist Empire. The “Anglo” part was trampled underfoot in the 1960s. Since then, it’s been gentile enablers of all identities caping for Jewish overlords.

    You can love Jews all you want, but the ones in the West see Russia as their most vicious enemy. They blame you for Trump, whom many hate more than anything.
    And to minimize the conflict between traditional Christianity and Jews is very faulty. Orthodoxy is despised by many Jews. It’s not something that can be washed away.

  431. Adrian says:
    @Fox

    When Danzig was on the verge of being taken over by Prussia Schopenhauer’s father, who was of full Dutch descent on both sides and still spoke the language fluently (according to the philosopher himself) moved to Hamburg.

    He did so in spite of incurring a substantial loss because of it. Even a personal conversation with Frederick the Great couldn’t induce him to stay.

    I think this biographical fact demonstrates the main difference between Holland and the Germany of the time – Holland was then a republic where a commercial bourgeoisie ruled the roost and set the tone. Germany had its aristocratic particularism and its Junkertum. Self govening trading cities such as Hamburg were also governed by a commercial bourgeoisie. Schopenhauer’s father felt that he could only live in such an environment.

    If I remember correctly the British historian Geoffrey Barraclough thought that the unintended revolutionary consequence of the Nazi period was that it made an end to the role of Germany’s Junkertum. Unintended because he was also of the opinion that Hitler had come to power through a conspiracy against the German people in which that
    very Junkertum in the person of Von Papen played an important role. The other parties in this “conspiracy” were the Prussian army in the person of Hindenburg and the capitalist industry in the persons of Hugenberg and Thyssen.

    Whatever the case may be one can perhaps say that today there is less of a difference between Dutch and German society than there has been for centuries. Is there any enthusiasm for joining Germany? Unless things have greatly changed since my departure there I can categorically say “No”.

    The comparison with Austria seems to highlight differences rather than similarities. Firstly they have German as at any case their written language (whatever their pronunciation of it) and the role of the aristocracy there gave it, until recently, far more similarity to
    Germany than was the case with Holland.

    And then the language. To refer to people on the border is underestimating the difference. German reader is in my view quite right in saying that it requires some effort to achieve mutual intelligibility beyond the pedestrian things of daily life.

    To Dutch speakers German sounds very ceremonial. So if they want to say something impressively the better educated ones sometimes resort to German. I am afraid that German speakers often experience the sound of Dutch as “platt” or as a nineteenth century German professor said to the Dutch poet Staring, Dutch is to German what a donkey is to a horse, at which Staring replied that a German stood to a Dutchman as a peacock to a turkey.

    Good comparisons both.

  432. @seeuhay

    Sadly, you are right. Putin never should have let the Poles of all people get under his skin.

  433. @Hilaire Belloc

    Nailed it. Saker, Orlov, et al. wax nostalgic for the good old days of Soviet socialism, but they choose to live in the capitalist US, in fact in one of the most economically stratified states in the country. Stalin was fine and dandy but the liberals in Putin’s government are too terrible to bear. Yeah, right.

    This does not mean they don’t have interesting things to say (often they do), just that sometimes their bullshit is a bit much.

    • Replies: @L.K
  434. Mike P says:
    @Fox

    There was a pathway left open for supply or escape of the inhabitants; however, Stalin wouldn’t let them leave, they were trapped by their own people.

    First time I hear about that … can you elaborate? Do you have a reference?

    Even you, “German reader” …

    You realize of course that lobotomy is irreversible.

    • Replies: @Fox
  435. Jett Rucker says: • Website

    The Saker underrates the role of the Western Allies in defeating Germany. Normandy, before and after the Allied landings there, helped the Soviets in their westward march by drawing away many divisions to defend Fortress Europa’s coast. The Luftwaffe was almost totally engaged in resisting the fleets of heavy bombers decimating Germany’s industry, housing and transportation infrastructure. All of this made the Soviets look more powerful vis-a-vis the Germans than they would have been had Germany been free to face them full force.
    To that scenario, add (subtract) the massive military and economic aid provided to the USSR by America, and you have a situation where Germany could not only have stopped the Soviets, but quite possibly could have rolled them all the way back to, and beyond, Moscow (Leningrad would have fallen, and the Germans would have taken Stalingrad).
    Admittedly, the scale of the Western Allies’ land operations was puny compared to that of the Soviets, but the Saker not only denies the importance of the full Western contribution, but he ends up, in effect, giving the Soviets credit for it.
    Nice job, Saker.

  436. Alan says:

    Thanks for this article, Saker. And thanx to Ron Unz, I now see The Saker more accurately than I could before. I now know not to be distracted by any more ‘Sakerism’. By the way, can anyone tell me what is a ‘semite’? What is ‘semitism’, that I could be so often called ‘anti-semite’, but no one can tell me what the word means? If you have accepted the ‘jew lie’ that ‘semite’ is a reference to ‘jew’, you have indeed drunk the cool-aid. Is there any association between the word ‘semite’ and ‘shemite’? Is there a Hebrew word that ‘semite’ is derived from? I think so, and I don’t think any jew wants any non-jew to know that the word ‘semite’ has been defrauded and distorted by the jew mentality to use the word to refer to ‘judaism’ as ‘chosen-ness’. ps: what is a ‘jew’? What constitutes ‘jew’ versus ‘non-jew’? You really don’t think ‘jew’ is bloodline or DNA do you? Is there any such possibility as a ‘Messianic jew’? That contradicts all of scripture, and nature. What fellowship has Christ with belial? Hmmmm.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  437. Bookish1 says:
    @Sean

    Hitler did not have handicapped children killed. Just more of the same old post ww2 bullshit. Many devices to help handicapped people were invented in Geermany under Hitlers rule. Goebbels was handicapped and no one held that against him.

  438. seeuhay says:
    @anaccount

    It was the CommIntern headed by FDR, and his “activists” Morgenthau and Bullitt, who sold half of Europe to Stalin in 1941 (the Atlantic Conference). The Georgian buffoon fell for it, and US is now the undisputed owner of the allodial rights to this planet – Putin’s ramblings on a multipolar world notwithstanding. Cheers!

  439. anonymous[307] • Disclaimer says:

    Discard the Jewish mafia stooges and servant like Trump/Putin/Erdogan and its apologist like saker.

  440. Meimou says:
    @melpol

    Sweet natured Jews are hard to find. No Jew can survive by being sugary sweet. Being smart and clever is the best option. There is less social pressure put on the goy, they can afford to be sweet and still survive.

    They can survive being sweet by acting sweet around whites, but their nature will not allow it. The goy is noy the problem

  441. Fox says:
    @Mike P

    I will have to look it up; I think I read it in Peter Kleist’s Auch Du Warst Dabei. Please allow me some time to find it.

    • Thanks: Mike P
  442. melpol says:

    Secular Jews will mix with tolerant and pleasant groups of free minded people, and be relaxed. Secular Jews are anxious to assimilate and to stop carrying the baggage of Judaism. But there are groups that are very tribal and will push the Jew into a defensive position. In this situation the Jew would be foolish to be obedient to that offensive group. People in the big cities are tribal and so will be the Jew. What came first the chicken or the egg?

  443. What happened in 1917 Russia, the Jewish Bolshevik revolution, was followed by Jewish domination of governmnet offices up to 85%, as you mentioned. Well, the same is happening in the US, sans the revolution, the US Department of State is easily staffed with at the least 25% (my guess) Jews, while surrounding Trump, the fake neocons, are easily 90%. Couple this with the diversity campaign, supported by Jewish oligarchs and which is a grave threat to our nation, and we have a cause for serious concern. The same folks are behind the move to remove the 2nd ammendment. I believe that if this trend continues, and I believe it will, there will be blood in he streets here. These zionist jews aren’t nice people, and they haven’t been for 3500 years.

  444. anarchyst says:
    @Alan

    An “anti-semite” used to be defined as a person who hates semites (some jews).
    Today’s definition of an “anti-semite” is a person who is hated by jews (not necessarily semites).

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
  445. Anon[186] • Disclaimer says:

    On the topic of the discussion about the Holocaust I am curious as to why the research studies by Ephraim Kaye, a director at Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum in Israel is not permitted to see the light of day in the Corrupt Controlled Main Street Media?
    Ephraim Kaye of Yad Vashem (Israel’s Holocaust Museum) says killing your own labour force doesn’t make sense. Technion Published on May 3, 2012 Ephraim Kaye
    Ephraim Kaye, a director at Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum in Israel confirms there’s no physical evidence of the holocaust
    Ephraim Kaye, a director at Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum in Israel confirms there’s no physical evidence of the holocaust. See Full Video here
    Ephraim Kaye of Yad Vashem (Israel’s Holocaust Museum) confirms that the testimony of Adolf Eichmann is not evidence and that Eichmann who was kidnapped and taken to Israel
    What is anti-Semitism today, two generations after the Holocaust? In his continuing exploration of modern Israeli life, director Yoav Shamir travels the world in search of the most truth.https://www.bitchute.com/video/skTd65w7XL6B/








    https://www.bitchute.com/video/xWnGeZGQiaZi/

  446. @ken19

    The Jews are not a race. A diversity of people over much over Europe, Africa and the Near and Middle East converted in an era of empires when every little district and group having its own gods suddenly looked absurd. Judaism had its golden age as a result. But they never came together and they never dispersed. The idea that there is a Jewish People is an Invention.

    • Replies: @Nonny Mouse
  447. @Just passing through

    The Jewish obsession with Nazism & Hitler, TODAY, 75 years after Der Führer de-parted, forces the question: Why?

    Does Jewry have nothing else capable of uniting it?
    Are the crimes of zionist Israel — and of the Allies — so great that only the perpetuation of the falsified Nazi smokescreen is evil enough to conceal them?

    btw, (h/t Priss Factor)
    On February 13th will be remembered the most terrible holocausts inflicted during World War II by Britain’s Royal Air Force (RAF) and the American Air Force (USAAF).

    Whilst Dresden is regarded as the most dreadful massacre in world history, French national, Francis Le-Lorrain hopes the international community will pay tribute to the incineration of scores of European cities and their defenceless populations by the Allies. These included Rome, Genoa, Naples, and many French, Dutch, Belgian and hundreds of German towns, villages and cities. [also, Prague]

  448. Adwarp says:

    @Cowboy says:
    February 9, 2020 at 4:40 pm GMT

    “I can understand how the Slavs and Heebs are tolerant of each other as their personality structures are similar in that both ethnicities are characterized by their boorish dull depressed authoritarian personalities. The fact that Slavs are generally drunk explains how the Heebs were able take over their country.”

    My mighty Cowboy! Tell me why Heebs took your country?

    • Replies: @Cowboy
    , @Cyrano
  449. Anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:

    > “the Polish occupation of southern and eastern Russia (which is what “the Ukraine” is…”

    Dunno. Ukraine looks like the southWESTERN tip of the old USSR to me. Nyet?

  450. Anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:
    @Observator

    This view echos that of Viktor Suvorov, author of THE CHIEF CULPRIT:
    http://tinyurl.com/s5pe8r3

    Is Viktor right?
    https://www.quora.com/How-credible-is-Viktor-Suvorov?share=1

    Who knows? We’re still trying to figure out if the “6 gorillian gassings” happened.

  451. anonymous[307] • Disclaimer says:

    Even South African president smash the “deal of the century”, but NOT the Jewish mafia Putin. Russia is equally guilty in erection of Israel on Palestinian land. The axis of evil Russia – UK – US forced the criminal tribe on Muslims. Muslims should make a note of it. Putin cannot be trusted and Russia remains on side of the criminal west against Muslims.
    Putin and Russia not only DID NOT attack the zionist deal, but Putin is working with the Jewish mafia assassin, Trump and Netanyahu against Palestinian by supporting the deal but not saying it directly.
    Death to enemy of Palestinian people and its zionist stooges.

    South African President Cyril Ramaphosa Slams Donald Trump’s Israel Plan as Apartheid

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/cyril-ramaphosa-newly-elected-chairperson-african-union-slams-donald-trump-israel-plan-apartheid/5703456

    Putin working with the zionist behind licker India against Iran:

    [Shishir Upadhyaya, a former Indian naval intelligence officer and one of RT’s newest columnists, is incorrect in recently writing that the latest Russian-Indian oil deal is an “unpleasant surprise for Washington” since it’s actually an “unpleasant surprise” for Tehran because the Islamic Republic is powerless to stop two of its closest economic partners from taking advantage of the US’ unilateral anti-Iranian sanctions to strengthen their energy ties with one another at its expense, which in no way goes against America’s “Indo-Pacific” strategy but actually complements this grand strategic vision in its own way.]

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/russian-indian-oil-deal-unpleasant-surprise-iran-not-us/5703466

    It’s No Big Deal that There Are Some Limits to Russia-Israel “Cooperation” in Syria

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/no-big-deal-some-limits-russian-israeli-co-op-syria/5703255

  452. Athena says:
    @AnonFromTN

    “Those who conduct this campaign (against the AfD) are not fully disclosing their interests. They attack the AfD – may be that is what the party was especially created for in the beginning – in order to render any alternative to today’s policies impossible, an alternative aiming at freedom and the equal rights of people and peoples. And what is this ruling policy like? It is de facto hostile towards freedom, the rule of law and sovereignty. It denies the significance of an evolved cultural identity and pursues globalist ideologies and interests.
    There are many – in particular in Eastern Germany – who are convinced that the public dealings with the AfD have nothing whatsoever to do with the party itself, whose members are well-known to them on scene. 30 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall they feel like the East Germans of 30 years ago. With the ballot they react against a policy that has nothing to do with democracy, however, a lot with totalitarianism.”

    The biting tone in political struggle is wrecking democracy
    by Karl Müller
    Germany 30 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall

    https://www.zeit-fragen.ch/en/archives/2019/no-24-12-november-2019/the-biting-tone-in-political-struggle-is-wrecking-democracy.html

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  453. Athena says:

    For Germany US-NATO has chosen a woman (again!) like Hillary as a russian hater and cheerleader for the imperial agenda in Europe:

    ”These days 50 years later, Germany has to witness a Defence Secretary, Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer (Christian Democratic Union, CDU), who is striving to distinguish herself for a future chancellorship. However, she does not pursue this goal by disarmament and signals for the détente and peace but by military build-up slogans and the attempt to enhance the German Bundeswehr’s readiness for war and to enlarge its operation range.”

    “As some of the alleged indicators she lists – the “Russian aggression [SIC} towards the Ukraine”, “the worldwide networks of terrorism” and the “power-political rise of China combined with a claim to world dominance – by now not only confined to its immediate neighbours”. Summa summarum: “We are experiencing a renewed rivalry of super powers competing for spheres of influence and dominance.””

    Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer wants to force German war course
    by Kark Müller

    https://www.zeit-fragen.ch/en/archives/2019/no-25-26-november-2019/annegret-kramp-karrenbauer-wants-to-force-german-war-course.html

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Fox
  454. Dannyboy says:
    @ploni almoni

    The Popes declared the crusades in order to punish the Orthodox.

    Actually, the “Orthodox” called on the Pope to help fight the dirty Muslim hordes. You need to brush up on your history, retard.

  455. @AaronB

    Ha! Ha! Ron banal and unhinged! Ha! Ha! This site is educative and mind-blowing. You call that banal!

    That kind of deceptive, obscuring double-speak is very Jewish, Aaron. You are so banal.

    Go away, pest!

  456. @Athena

    I was just describing the events in real Germany. Basically, Merkel took classical “mother knows best” position that has nothing to do with democracy. Translated into plain language, her position is that CDU and other self-appointed “respectable” parties must disregard huge number of voters who supported AfD and Die Linke. Personally, I have nothing against AfD (which is deceptively labeled “fascist” by those who prefer to steal elections, rather than win them), or Die Linke (which is labeled by the same fraudsters as “communist”). I do hope that the voters of Thuringia get really angry and stop voting for CDU and their ilk, switching their votes to AfD and Die Linke. If that happens in new elections, as I sincerely hope, I would feel intense schadenfreude seeing Merkel’s face.

  457. @Athena

    Again, reality check: Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer resigned, and good riddance.

  458. L.K says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Although the Saker comes across as a bit of a Team Russia player, in fairness to him I don’t recall him whitewashing Stalin’s crimes, maybe downplaying it a little, probably from ignorance, as the guy strikes me as someone generally only capable of superficial research.
    That said, he is right to criticize the neoliberal atlanticists who have dominated the economic bloc of government in Russia and who are responsible for Russia’s modest economic performance.
    Neoliberalism really is a weapon of ‘mass destruction”. Though the US elite promotes it, when used it at home it caused havoc;
    Neoliberal Economics Destroyed the Economy and the Middle Class
    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2019/12/16/neoliberal-economics-destroyed-the-economy-and-the-middle-class/

    At any rate, the above article by the Saker is so bad, so filled with errors, inaccuracies and fantasies that it is hard to know where to start a critique. The Saker also does not seem to know what he thinks one day to the next… for ex, check out the following and compare it to his above screed:

    SAKER:

    Could it be that the real crime of the Nazis was not that they were genocidal maniacs, but that they lost WWII and that their (no less genocidal) enemies got to write the history of that war?

    Hmmm…

  459. @Nonny Mouse

    That’s one of the clangers that make it so difficult for Jews to escape. The other is the cultivation of hate. Hatred of Gentiles holds the Jews together. That’s what their victimhood commemorations are all about.

    David Ben-Gurion was an atheist yet a Jew. He was a Pole. Proves that Judaism is neither a religion nor a race. It is a dangerous fantasy. Yet it’s difficult for a Jew to escape, for those reasons plus the ocean of deceptions that that fantasy depends on.

  460. Many (most?) Russians know for a fact that Nazi concentration/extermination camps did, in fact, exist even if they did not kill 6M Jews, even if they had no gas chambers and no crematoria (except to deal with insect-born diseases).

    The way the author presents this, as if there is anyone actually disputing this fact, makes me suspicious of his motives.

    • Replies: @Fox
  461. Seraphim says:
    @German_reader

    Jews do hold a special place in their own mind. They get frustrated when the ‘others’ fail to give them a special place in their minds.

    • Replies: @donvonburg
  462. @L.K

    In fairness. iirc, Saker was referring to Anglos as the ones who were just as genocidal as the Nazis. But it also seems that he is willing to be a little more forgiving of the Stalin regime for some reason.

  463. Fox says:
    @Athena

    “War course”. Nonsense, the German military is not functional, to have women lead a military organisation is quite ridiculous, and if they have not even be in the military, it is bound to be a desaster, as with von der Leyen, the previous “defennse Minister”. One of her accomplishments was to accommodate tanks to pregnant ladies. Another was that 90 % of german tanks are not working, the new rifle has constant problems with jamming (unlike the old G3), helicopters are down, ships are down…..but Israel gets a constant supply of submarines (paid for, as the official story goes, to a degree of one third each by Germany, the US and Israel, which translates, in my opinion in 100 % for Germany after all the “forgiving of debt”, cost of stationing of the occupation force and otherr money transfers from Germany).
    Kramp-Karrenbauer was yacking about “peace keeping”, and “intervention” forces, and she might have done something to reverse the treasonous, and stupidly insane program of Ursula von der Leyen (who is now acting as wrecking ball to common sense in Brussels as the head of the -unelected – Commission). Kramp-Karrenbauer might have invested in making the FRG-military more functional, but that’s hardly a “war path”.

  464. Fox says:
    @Degenerate Scumbag

    “Know for a fact” because? Did Comrade Stalin tell them that it’s true?
    I can well believe the effect of relentless propaganda in Russia as well, but “knowing for a fact”? This story is taking on successively more fantastic features.

  465. @German_reader

    You are saying if it were not what it is it would not be what it is? Hmmm. Possibly you are right.

  466. @Sean

    In the world of armchair generals men and supplies can just be teleported across Russian mud.

  467. @L.K

    Fair enough. Fully agree re. neoliberalism.

  468. Cowboy says:
    @Adwarp

    Immigration is how we lost it to the Heebs. We allowed too many people from sub cultures like the Slavic ones into our country and then we allowed those drunken Slabs to vote and because they’re always drunk they vote for jewish slavemasters.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  469. @Seraphim

    Any people that are a people hold a special place for themselves in their own minds. They don’t particularly expect to have others share that feeling of specialness for them alone. A Croatian is not a Serb, but he knows that an African negro probably does not know the difference and doesn’t care. He probably figures most Americans don’t either, but provided they are not in his face and calling him a Serb, he doesn’t care either. He may know that Swedes and Norwegians are different people but does probably not care all that much if others don’t. He does not probably have much preference for one over the other.

    The problem is that Jews get upset if anyone does not know that they, and they alone, are special. And they do not like it if any other people has that feeling of specialness for themselves. They like seeing a Croatian marry a Serb, a Norwegian marrying a Swede. If either marries a Vietnamese that’s even better and an African tribesman better still. There are only two kinds of people, Jews and non-Jews, and the more the “different” kinds of non-Jews mix into one blended, pasteurized, homogenized people the better. But they especially don’t like it if Whites see themselves as a unified people, if Norwegians and Swedes and Serbs and Croatians see themselves as their own peoples but also as part of a greater people, greater in the sense of a superclass.

    They will spend much effort into bringing mestizos and Asians and negroes into White countries and only into White countries. They would be happier if the Japanese mixed with Laotians or Burmese or if Tamil Indians mixed with Samoans, but they are not particularly interested in spending any time or effort into facilitating it. For one thing, it would not likely be successful and for another Laotians and Burmese and Tamils and Samoans are no threat to the Jewish hegemony as they see it. Whites they see as a threat.

  470. Omgaar says:

    “in the current Nazi-occupied Ukraine”
    Am I suppose to believe that WWII is still going on? Okay boomer.

  471. @Cowboy

    This comment is diagnostic. Only someone who never visited any Slavic country and likely does not personally know a single Slav could have written this.

    As a matter of fact, there is much larger fraction of drunk people in the streets in any “mixed” neighborhood in the US or in Edinburgh (UK) than in any Slavic city. But it is natural for the little children and weak-minded adults to blame someone else, rather than acknowledge their own culpability.

  472. Robjil says:

    Today is “Je suis Dresden”

    On the night of Feb. 13/14 1945, the beautiful world heritage city of Dresden and hundreds of thousands of civilians were bombed as Amaleks. That night was the first night of Adar. Adar is the month of Purim. The first day of Adar is called Rosh Chodesh Adar.

    https://www.chabad.org/calendar/view/day.asp?tdate=2/26/2020

    Here is what happened to the Egyptians on that night in the Tanakh.

    Rosh Chodesh Adar

    Plague of Darkness (1313 BCE)
    The 9th plague to strike the Egyptians for their refusal to release the Children of Israel from slavery — a thick darkness that blanketed the land so that “no man saw his fellow, and no man could move from his place” (Exodus 10:23) — commenced on the 1st of Adar, six weeks before the Exodus.

    Wonder what type of joy was the Zion Allies planning that night in 1945 for Dresden?

    Adar Joy
    “When Adar enters,” the Talmud declares, “we increase in joy.” For this is “the month that was transformed for them from sorrow to joy, from mourning to festivity” (Esther 9:22) by the great miracle and victory of Purim. Our sages advise that the month of Adar is an auspicious time for the Jewish people, so that if a Jew is faced with a challenging event (i.e., a court case, a medical procedure, etc.) he should endeavor to schedule it during Adar.

    https://www.hebcal.com/converter/?gd=13&gm=2&gy=1945&g2h=1

    https://www.hebcal.com/converter/?gd=14&gm=2&gy=1945&g2h=1

    Wed, 14 February 1945 = 1st of Adar, 5705

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

    Night of 13/14 February
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

    Night of 13/14 February

    [45]Night of 13/14 February

    Mosquito marker planes dropped the target indicators, which glowed red and green to guide the bombers.
    The Dresden attack was to have begun with a USAAF Eighth Air Force bombing raid on 13 February 1945. The Eighth Air Force had already bombed the railway yards near the centre of the city twice in daytime raids: once on 7 October 1944 with 70 tons of high-explosive bombs killing more than 400,[45] then again with 133 bombers on 16 January 1945, dropping 279 tons of high-explosives and 41 tons of incendiaries.[7]

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  473. Cyrano says:
    @Adwarp

    My mighty Cowboy! Tell me why Heebs took your country?

    Because they are stupid. Drunk Slavs can sober up, there is no sobering up from stupidity. Actually, even comatose drunk, the Slavs are still smarter from the morons in the west.

  474. Cowboy says:

    Its funny how all the turds that come from 3rd world shitholes like to come here like parasites sucking on the good but refusing to go back to their cesspool all the while telling us how superior their dung hole is to ours. You sound like that muslim cunt from minnesota.
    I guess this confirms the authors premise: there is no difference between a slav and a jew.
    Get the eff out of my country!

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  475. Cyrano says:
    @Cowboy

    I’ve never been to your country, scumbag. Everything that’s happening in your country – you deserve it. Once I was talking to a friend of mine, I said Brazil is nearly half black, yet they never had any racial riots or blacks killing whites. How come the blacks in US are so aggressive. My friend said, it’s not them, it’s the whites who make them that way. He was 100% right. No one is good enough for you – Jews. Slavs, Blacks. That’s why you get to enjoy the multicultural paradise – it’s a rehabilitation program. Don’t forget to vote in the next election, you moron, democracy depends on you.

    • Replies: @Cowboy
  476. @Robjil

    Thanks for your comment on Dresden, Robjil.

    Here’s what Yahoo posted this morning to commemorate that terrible destruction of life and legacy:

    German far right reopens wounds of Dresden bombing
    Michelle FITZPATRICK Feb 13 2020
    AFP
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/german-far-reopens-wounds-dresden-bombing-024824296.html

    [OK, the author does not draft the headline.
    What else did Michelle Fitzpatrick have to say?]

    Germany marks 75 years since the destruction of Dresden in World War II on Thursday, an anniversary seized upon by the far right to inflate victim numbers and play down Nazi crimes.
    President Frank-Walter Steinmeier will give a speech at Dresden’s Palace of Culture, walking a fine line between remembering those killed in the Allied air raids on the eastern city and stressing Germany’s responsibility for the war.

    One paragraph down, Fitzpatrick wrote:

    As in past years, the commemoration events are set to attract neo-Nazis, while the far-right AfD party will man an information booth to tell the supposed “truth” about the bombings.
    Police are also bracing for a large demo by right-wing extremists on Saturday, as well as counterprotests.
    “The myth of the ‘city of innocence’ lives on,” the regional Saechsische Zeitung daily wrote, accusing the far right of using the commemorations “to minimise German war crimes”.

    The word that grabbed my attention was “demo.”
    Fitzpatrick is 50ish; “demo” marks her as cool: she knows her way around urban diction as she dutifully heaps holocaustic coals on the German people, forever and ever and ever, in saecula saeculorum, Heil Elan Carr.

    Read the rest at your own risk.

    Who is Michelle Fitzpatrick and why does she seem to feel compelled to denigrate the suffering of German people, in preference for making points with ADL overlords?

    My completely biased and sour speculation is that Fitzpatrick is an under-employed hack writer with a fancy degree from a very fine school for creative writing. Each iteration of her CV that I’ve found opens with notice that she worked for Chicago Tribune at the end of the last century. These days Fitzgerald works with PLUME — no, not a column of smoke from a bombed out cathedral but a mail-order program to support struggling writers. They used to advertise such services on matchbook packs. How appropriate.
    Fitzgerald must be hoping that by tap-dancing to ADL’s tune on the souls and ashes of the German people she can turn a cloud of dust into a payday.

    I’ve often wondered exactly what Hannah Arendt meant by “banality of evil.”

    Michelle Fitzpatrick answers that question.

    —–
    Requiescant in Pace, Firebombed People of Dresden.
    May your souls and all the souls of the faithful departed rest in peace.

    Amen.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  477. Cowboy says:
    @Cyrano

    I never said anything about negros. What’s with the projection ?

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  478. Robjil says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Thanks for your reply,

    War should never involve attacking civilians on a large scale.

    Dresden fire bombing was a war crime on a grand scale. Also a crime against the earth’s world heritage.

    Amalek fighting, attacking civilians, is what the Dresden bombing was all about.

    We are in the 21st century, Amalek fighting should be considered beyond the pale.

    Amalek fighting is always OK to our Zion Jewish Overlords.

    Mad Albright gave us all a clue to their thinking, when she 500000 Iraqi children dying of ZUS sanctions was OK.

    In an empathic, rational and logical world, Amalek fighting would never be OK.

    Our Zion Overlords, live in a primitive world based on the basest level of human intellect.

    It was very sad for humanity that people of such a low level of intellect has risen to the top of society in the past hundred years as tyrants gloating over of us all without pity.

  479. Cyrano says:
    @Cowboy

    Speaking of projections, let me tell you a short story – because it seems like you believe that your country possesses animal magnetism – whoever sees it, falls in love with it instantaneously and eternally.

    My maternal great-grandfather was an American immigrant, or I guess I should use the German term “gastarbeiter” because he never intended to stay there forever. Anyhow, he moved to US somewhere in the 1920’s, stayed there until the 1930’s – somewhere between 15-20 long years, separated from his family – wife and kids.

    When it was time to return, the great recession hit and the small fortune that he was supposed to bring back, melted to almost nothing – thanks to the great recession. The family legend has it that when he returned he had just about enough money to build one crummy house and to buy one cow.

    So, I guess technically, if I wanted to make that claim, I am practically 1/8 American. But I don’t care about that, I am a Slav, that’s what I am proud of and I am proud of my great-grandfather, because he was tough as nails, spending all those years alone, working hard to provide for his family and returning back to the Balkan “shithole” and saying a firm “nein” to the capitalist dream, which basically turned into a nightmare by time he was supposed to return back home.

    I never met the guy, he died about 20 years before I was born, but he makes me damn proud that I have someone like him in my family tree. Moral of the story – your country is not as attractive as you (and many others) would like to believe.

    • Replies: @Cowboy
  480. Tsigantes says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Add on Greeks, Serbians, Tunisians to the Russians-and-Poles.
    Sure, Hitler and the German Wehrmacht were divine innocents….

  481. Tsigantes says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    The map is wrong for Greece.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  482. geokat62 says:
    @Tsigantes

    The map is wrong for Greece.

    What colour should it be, Tsigantes?

    btw – do you prefer going by the rank of “general” or “colonel”?

  483. Vojkan says:
    @neutral

    There is no reasonable argument that proves that Hitler was a good guy. The fact is that Germany invaded Czechoslovakia, Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Yugoslavia, Greece without declaration of war and killed tens of millions while none of those countries posed neither an immediate nor even a remote threat to Germany.

    • Disagree: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @Fox
  484. Cowboy says:
    @Cyrano

    Nice story. Perhaps you’ve missed what’s going on in the world and on this website. People are reacting everywhere against your global communist dreams . People are sick of the Orwellian nanny states and demanding sovereignty from unwelcome immigration. I’m happy if people don’t find my country attractive so they don’t bring their sorry asses here. I’m happy for you that youre content with your fecal filled fatherland. I wish the spics would be sent back to their own toilet. Too bad Trump turned out to be a fraud.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  485. Fox says:
    @Vojkan

    You should know that Hitler did n o t invade Czechoslovakia. Just as I have met plenty of “experts” who believe that there is a language “Czechoslovakian”, the developments and situation on the ground at the time of 1938-1939 seem to be of secondary importance in the act of getting the daily Hitler fit.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  486. @Fox

    I am pretty sure that the “experts” who believe in “Czechoslovakian” language are Americans, the same who believe in the existence of “Mexican” language, similar to those CNN journos that placed Ukraine somewhere in Pakistan on live TV.

    Traitorous Britain and France in Munich gave Hitler Sudetenland. However, he did not stop there, but invaded the rest of Czechoslovakia, made Czechia a colony of Germany, and established a puppet state in Slovakia.

    • Thanks: Vojkan
    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    , @Fox
  487. @AnonFromTN

    If he was such a madman bent on conquest, why create a Slovak puppet state? Why not just annex the whole thing?

    BTW, what does it say about that creation of Versailles, that it fell into instability once it was stripped of its German minority?

    • Agree: L.K
    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Vojkan
  488. That picture of Putin and the Orthodox Jews is crying out for a caption contest.

  489. @Beefcake the Mighty

    I am not denying that Germany was very unfairly treated after WWI. It was forced to cede a lot of rightfully German areas, including Sudetenland. However, Hitler did not just take what Germany should have had. His troops occupied many countries that were not inhabited by Germans and for which he had no right whatsoever. He annexed some territories outright and installed puppet regimes in others for his own reasons (if you end up in Hell, ask him why). In reality, there was no difference: Nazis did in both whatever they wanted (Vichy “France” is a good example). It worked OK while Germany was dealing with pathetic cowards. But in the end, Nazi Germany bit off more than it could chew and was defeated by the USSR.

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @Mike P
  490. Vojkan says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Because it’s the basics of conquest.

    • Disagree: Beefcake the Mighty
  491. Cyrano says:
    @Cowboy

    Like I said, my great-grandfather was an expert on shitholes, and when he saw one even bigger than the one he was from – he returned back to the original one. I guess you can say that my family has standards. We don’t settle just about anywhere.

    • Replies: @Cowboy
  492. Mike P says:
    @AnonFromTN

    France was conquered by Germany after it had declared war on Germany. The USSR had not yet declared war on Germany, but it had been preparing an attack on Germany on a truly massive scale and would have launched it within mere weeks of the German attack.

    If you happen to read German, read Bernd Schwipper on the subject – “Deutschland im Visier Stalin’s”, or “Germany in Stalin’s cross hairs”. Unfortunately there seems to be no English or Russian translation of the book.

    The author is a former East German general, fluent in Russian, who sifted through Russian archives for several years, and he lays it all out in great detail, on >500 pages. Anyone reading this will have absolutely no doubt that the Soviet build-up was offensive in nature. It clearly predated the German one, with Soviet troops at times outnumbering German ones by a factor of > 10. The most lopsided ratio prevailed in the Summer of 1940; only France’s unexpectedly rapid collapse, which freed up the Wehrmacht’s main forces, prevented a Soviet attack on East Prussia already in 1940. However, even after Germany began moving forces to the East, their strength never matched the Soviet forces, right up to June 22. 1941. Russian offensive preparations were accelerated time and again in 1940 and 1941; many units were scheduled to be completely staffed and equipped by July 41, indicating this as the most likely time of the Russian attack.

    Beyond sheer strength, Stalin’s aggressive intentions are clear from the gross neglect of preparations for defence in depth, and from the deployment of many troops and military assets very close to the demarcation line, which of course invited the Germans’ preemptive strike and made possible their enormous initial gains.

    It is perfectly plain to anyone able and willing to reason objectively that a preemptive attack was the Germans’ best chance to avert defeat at the hands of the Russians, and they took it. Unlike the war the Russians had been preparing for, the German campaign in Russia was not a war of conquest, at least not at the outset.

    You don’t really need to reply, because we already know that you have nothing to offer beyond fact-free haughtiness; it has gotten old already. On this topic, L.K is perfectly right to write you off as an inveterate troll. I am simply writing this to set the record straight, not to penetrate the concrete-filled cavity between your ears.

    • Thanks: L.K
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @L.K
  493. Cowboy says:
    @Cyrano

    Exactly. He got it. Blood and soil not GloboHomo.

  494. Fox says:
    @AnonFromTN

    You ought t goo back to the drawing board and re-think what actually happened.
    What is your objection of the German Sudetenland wanting to secede from a state it had been forcibly incorporated into twenty years earlier by occupation of the then nascent Czech military? This military band was given a fool’s freedom immediately after the signing of the armistice in November, 1918 by the Western Allies, and Germany and Austria could not defend themselves against any aggression anymore. The Sudeten Germans were intending to join Germany in 1918, but the Allies listened to the fantastic tales of the Czechs, just as they did with the Poles.
    FYI, Slovakia seceded from Czecho-Slovakia in March of 1939, and after the forcible re-union in 1945 again in 1993.
    Czechia was a protectorate, not a colony, and Czechia was kept out of the war altogether, with the exception that Churchill was intending to foment partisan warfare there by the assassination of Heydrich.
    From your comment is is obvious that you belong to a people who has not inkling of living in Europe in a peaceful, cooperative and tolerant manner. That attitude has been exploited by extra-European powers for more than 100 years now, and the state Europe is in now is directly caused by this small-minded, chauvinistic, envious and wannabe state of mind.

    • Replies: @Fox
  495. S says:

    If you happen to read German, read Bernd Schwipper on the subject – “Deutschland im Visier Stalin’s”, or “Germany in Stalin’s cross hairs”. Unfortunately there seems to be no English or Russian translation of the book.

    Germany wasn’t ‘just’ in Communist (ie Soviet) crosshairs. The Capitalist (ie US/UK) wanted control of Germany as well.

    Therefore, nothing the German people might have done in order to prevent it prior to the two world wars (short of willful national suicide) was going to stop a major war being made upon them.

    It’s for the simple reason that it is the geo-political center of power upon continental Europe.

    [See the below linked upthread comment for more info on the subject]
    ‘..the prize of the death-struggle between the Union [the United States] and the Czar [Russia].’

    The New Rome (1853) – pg 105

    That great uprising of all peoples, that world’s war which is for ever seen to hang, like the sword of Damocles, over the passing joys and troubles of the hour, will fall when the Anglo-Saxon empire shall lay its slow but unyielding grasp upon the countries of the Germanic confederation.

    Then will the mastery of Europe be the prize of the death-struggle between the Union [the United States] and the Czar [Russia].

    https://www.unz.com/tsaker/our-fundamental-disagreement-about-wwii-hitler-jews-and-race/#comment-3707181

    • Agree: Mike P
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  496. Fox says:
    @Fox

    First line, read: “ought to go back….” Sorry for the typing error.

  497. AnonfromTN says: • Website
    @Mike P

    One look at the map would tell you that the USSR had tiny border with Germany (Prussia) and long border with Germany-occupied Poland.
    You conveniently forget that before attacking the USSR or France Germany attacked and occupied Czechoslovakia, Poland, Denmark, Norway, Yugoslavia, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg.
    Which of these countries declared war on Germany? Which of them prepared to attack Germany?
    Not to mention that Germany did not build any defenses, so that its troops on the border with the USSR were in strictly aggressive posture

    • Troll: L.K
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  498. L.K says:
    @Mike P

    In this connection, it worth looking at this Saker fellow’s attitude.

    There is a large body of literature by Russian historians, some of whom even of pro-Soviet inclinations, that has documented the Stalinist regime’s responsibilities in WW2. There is also much literature in German.
    As far as I know the Saker is fluent in both languages, being part Russian and born in Switzerland. This growing body of work has been available now since the 90s.
    Nearly 30 years!

    How can this Saker guy simply ignore it all? How can this person not know about this by now?
    Is this person minimally objective when “The Great Patriotic War” is the topic at hand? One has only to read his lame screed above to understand how hopelessly biased the individual is.

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  499. Mike P says:
    @AnonfromTN

    One look at the map would tell you …

    Notice that I used the term “demarcation line”, not “border.” Germany and the Soviet Union had divided Poland between themselves in 1939, so naturally most of the demarcation line between them ran through Poland. Neither had any lawful claim to the parts of that country that they had occupied.

    You conveniently forget that before attacking the USSR or France Germany attacked and occupied Czechoslovakia, Poland, Denmark, Norway, Yugoslavia, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg.

    Indeed, Germany did attack and occupy these countries – with the exception, of course, of the Eastern part of Poland, which was occupied by none other than the Soviets. The Soviets also occupied a part of Romania, the Baltic states, and a part of Finland, and they thereby closed in on East Prussia, German-occupied Poland, and the remainder of Romania, which was essential for German petroleum supply.

    Most of the countries in your enumeration were occupied in 1940-41, when it was already clear that Germany would be forced to fight on two fronts. As I mentioned earlier, Russia was already preparing an attack in 1940, which was averted only by France’s rapid capitulation. You remember the Schlieffen plan from World War 1? The idea was that Germany would defeat France quickly, before Russia could even fully mobilise, and then throw everything to the East against Russia. Of course, we know how that worked out in WW1. However, the same dilemma, and the same solution, were still relevant in WW2; and this time, it sort of worked – except that Russia, even without a second front, proved too much in the end.

    Let us consider how the other countries fit into the picture: To deny the British a foothold in the West, it was necessary to occupy not just France but also Holland and the rest. To secure supplies from Sweden and Romania, it was necessary to control Norway and the Balkans. This was nothing more than an “extended Schlieffen plan” – Germany had to do all this to cover its back before facing the single most important enemy: Russia.

    Now you will probably want to say that I just admitted Germany was planning a war of aggression on Russia. Not so. The British, the Russians, and the U.S. were determined join forces and crush Germany. Seeing the writing on the wall, Germany made a desperate bid to save itself by striking first.

    Not to mention that Germany did not build any defenses, so that its troops on the border with the USSR were in strictly aggressive posture

    Yes. You see, InaneFromTN, if you plan to strike first, you don’t focus on building defences. My point is not that Germany did not strike first, which of course it did, but that Russia was planning to strike first, too, and was preempted by the Germans.

    The Germans’ big crime was simply that they wanted a country of their own, and beyond this that they were economically too successful – you know, the same sort of crime which Russia and China are committing today. For this reason, not for their “aggressions”, both countries are now relentlessly vilified in the West, with Putin as the new Hitler etc. Their good fortune is, of course, that Uncle Sam has grown old and feeble, and furthermore that both together are far more formidable than Germany alone could ever be. I wish both of these countries the very best of luck, just as I wish that Germany would have been allowed to prosper in peace.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
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  500. Mike P says:
    @L.K

    As I wrote in an earlier comment, my take is that the Russians cling to the illusion of their own innocence in WW2 because of the enormity of their losses – it seems too much to contemplate that these could have been avoided, had their own leadership acted more responsibly. If that is indeed the reason, I sort of empathise, but obviously don’t agree.

  501. Paw says:
    @Longfisher

    It is impossible because their megaHystery and whenever 24 hours they are not in a big news ,they start at least some big false flags.
    People of Russia /and others/,have their experiences and when they were asked to pay when enter into their churches to pray ,there were some reactions.
    There is not anything to equal some own personal experiences. My experiences and many leave no doubts why antisemitism takes place …
    Then you understand why something happens.

  502. Seraphim says:
    @S

    The ‘New Rome’ was the work of a German ‘forty-eighter’ refugee in the USA (among them Solomon Loeb and Abraham Kuhn, founders of Kuhn, Loeb & Co of the famous bank which financed the ‘russian’ revolution – later on joined by the German bankers of the Warburg family).
    It is a blue-print for the continuation of the internationalist Revolution, arrested temporarily by Russia, and the facilitating the ‘entrance of American enterprise into the walled up magazines of wealth and civilization’ that were the Nations, by creating a World Republic. And it was not directed from England, but from America.
    Germans revolutionaries from America(who formed The American Revolutionary League for Europe) adopted with enthusiasm the idea of the admission of all nations of Europe – Germany first – into the American Union. The idea of annexation was discussed in German papers and received with warm approbation.
    The major obstacle to the realization of this dream was Russia, the other being ‘the scaly monster of Nationality’ (whose ‘antidote was the United States’).
    And the authors discussed with warmth the eminent role that the Jews should have in that grandiose scheme.
    Germany was not that innocent.

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  503. Cking says:

    The Bolshevik Revolution’s plan for world domination, more specifically, the determination to obliterate Catholic founded Western Civilization, was already operating in Spain and other parts of Europe. The 1920 Bolshevik Invasion of Poland and 1936-39 Spanish Civil War should have served as a warning to everyone. Hitler and Stalin were fighting proxy wars with each other making the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact necessary. Yet, the Anglo-American-Jewish/Zionist platform operating out of International finance, the US Federal Reserve Bank system, served this Communist power and benefited the most in the post-WWII era. In reminiscing of this ‘romantic era’ of class-struggle, Liberal Western literary and mass media served this power, taking the ‘Reds’ side in Spain. We all know what happened to Joe McCarthy for his anti-Communist campaign.

    It’s a big omission and even in its disclosure, the aftermath is not understood. Half of Europe was indeed taken over by Bolshevik power, held within the Iron Curtain, priests and bishops were put on trial, the predecessor to the Nuremberg Trials. Germany became half US/British and half Soviet. The plan is in our face, and the plan existed long before WWII actually erupted. The new Leftist admonition that Europe is unreasonable in its fear of Russia is ridiculous when considering her history.

    FDR and his Administration were surrounded and infiltrated by British, Communist, and Soviet spies. Do you know we still have Communists in the US government. Former CIA Brennan ‘was once’ a Communist. Diane West’s work on the subject is important, informative. Obama, Comey, and others have been reported as having Communists in their background or having Commie sympathies. There is a lot more to WWII and its still being fought today. It