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I lived most of my life in Europe and even though by the time I moved to the US (2002) Europe was already in a very bad shape, what I see happening there now never ceases to amaze me. In fact, it makes me wonder if the Europeans or, more accurately, the European leaders have gone completely insane. Either that, or maybe they have some kind of death wish?

The first thing which absolutely amazes me is the fact that the EU leaders are acting as if this was still the 1980s when Europe still mattered and when the European continent was relatively prosperous. And even when EU leaders acknowledge the problems facing Europe today (crime, immigration, lockdowns, civil unrest, tensions with Russia, self-defeating sanctions under US pressure, etc.), they systematically deal with them (so to speak) by minimizing their actual and potential impact and consequences. And if nothing else matters, they use the riot police forces to “solve” the issue.

Then there is NATO which now seems to believe that mantric incantations and some really dumb military “for show” activities along the borders of Russia will terrify the Kremlin and turn Russians into Poles. Apparently, the entire analytical apparatus of NATO has never opened a history book. Either that, or they have decided to ignore the lessons of history, because “this time around” the Russians will definitely surrender.

To be fair, all the military operations along the Russian border bother the Russians only because they show that the “collective West” still hates and fears Russia. But in purely military terms, they are a joke.

Not so long ago the endless western provocations eventually got a reaction out of Russia: the Russians re-created of the First Guards Tank Army (FGTA). For most people, the concept of “Tank Army” means little. A “Guards Tank Army” even less. So rather than use any Russian sources (Putin’s never sleeping “hackers” and “agents”), let’s take a source which nobody can suspect of being pro-Russian: Wikipedia. Please check this Wikipedia entry for the history of the First Guard Tank Army”. At the bottom of the article, there is a partial list of units and subunits composing this Army. Check it out:

  • Army Headquarters (Odintsovo, Moscow Oblast)
  • 60th Command Brigade (Selyatino village near Odintsovo, Moscow Oblast)
  • 2nd Guards Motor Rifle ‘Tamanskaya’ Division (Kalininets, Moscow Oblast)
  • 4th Guards Tank ‘Kantemirovskaya’ Division (Naro-Fominsk, Moscow Oblast)
  • 6th Separate Tank ‘Częstochowa’ Brigade (Mulino, Nizhny Novgorod Oblast)
  • 27th Separate Guards Motor Rifle ‘Sevastopol’ Brigade (Mosrentgen, Moscow City)
  • 112th Guards Missile ‘Novorossiysk’ Brigade (Shuya, Ivanovo Oblast) (9K720 Iskander)
  • 288th Artillery ‘Warsaw’ Brigade (Mulino, Nizhny Novgorod Oblast)
  • 49th Missile Air Defence Brigade (Krasnyi Bor, Smolensk Oblast) (Buk-M2)
  • 96th Separate ISTAR (intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition, and reconnaissance) Brigade (Sormovo, Nizhny Novgorod City)
  • unknown Combat Engineer Regiment (in formation until the end of 2018) (unknown location in Moscow Oblast)
  • 20th Separate NBC Defence Regiment (Tsentralny, Nizhny Novgorod Oblast)
  • 69th Separate Logistics Brigade (Dzerzhinsk, Nizhny Novgorod Oblast)

No need to go into all the details, but let’s just say two things about this Tank Army: first, it has a lot more capabilities than “just” tanks and, second, this was the Army which really broke the back of the Nazi forces in WWII: it destroyed or captured 5,500 tanks, 491 self-propelled guns, 1,161 aircraft, 1,251 armored vehicles and armored personnel carriers, 4,794 guns of various calibers, 1,545 mortars, 5,797 machine guns, 31064 vehicles and other military equipment. The 1st guards tank army fought its way from Kursk to Berlin, which stretched for three thousand kilometers (source).

By the way, the FGTA will also get the very newest and best Russian tanks (there is no point in deploying the Armata family of armored vehicles elsewhere but towards the western borders of Russia), and the two most famous tank divisions of modern Russia.

Furthermore, we need to understand that this Tank Army will not operate in isolation, but will be directly supported by the Western and Southern Military Districts, the Black and Baltic Sea Fleets (equipped with the newest Russian hypersonic missiles) and the Aerospace Forces. Even the powerful Northern Fleet and the Caspian Flotilla (!) could, if needed, provide support for central European operations thanks to the long reach of Russian missiles.

So what is the purpose of the FGTA? Think of it as a powerful armored “fist” whose main goal is to stop any enemy attack and then punch through its defenses. Russia also announced that she will double the size of her Airborne Forces (currently at 4 Airborne/Air Assault Divisions, 4 Air Assault Brigades, 1 Special Operations Brigade, with roughly 45’000+ soldiers). Besides these Airborne/Air Assault units, the Russian military can also make use of her Spetsnaz Forces (8 Spetsnaz Brigades and 1 Spetsnaz Regiment according to the IISS’s Military Balance 2020). True, only part of these units will go to the Western and Southern Military Districts, but that is already much more than what NATO could realistically hope to be able to cope with (for details, see here).

Here is a short video to give you a sense of how Russian Airborne Forces (all fully mechanized, unlike their western “equivalents”) are preparing for next generation wars:

Oh, and did I mention that the entire Russian nuclear triad has been modernized (or is currently in the process of modernization)?

Now comes the interesting question:

What kind of forces does NATO have which could deal with this kind of power?

On paper, a lot. In terms of raw numbers (what military analysts call “bean counts”), the West has much larger forces than the Russian ones.

But, in reality, very, very little, at least of military value.

What is NATO today? First, a coalition of small countries trying to find the courage to bark at the Russian bear the way dozens of chihuahuas would bark at a big brown bear. These small countries are what I call “prostitute states” – they don’t want sovereignty, freedom or dignity. All they want is for Uncle Shmuel to protect them when they bark and for the EU to give them tons of money as a reward for their prostitution to the collective West. They are apparently unaware that Uncle Shmuel is a world champion in destroying countries, but in terms of actually winning wars, Uncle Shmuel is one of the worst war losers in history (in that sense, the US and Russian militaries are polar opposites). They are also apparently unaware that the EU is broke and in a deep crisis. Besides, even the normally compliant the Germans are now getting fed up spending billions of Euros on their clueless and hopeless eastern neighbors (and I don’t blame them!).

There are also more civilized countries in NATO, countries which used to have some very real military power and a history of winning and losing wars: Germany, the UK, France, etc – what Rumsfeld called “Old Europe”. They are all former imperial powers of their own, and they are much more aware of what it takes to win (or lose) a war.

Their problem, however, is that they are now true US protectorates/colonies, with no real foreign policy of their own. Their top leaders, political and military, are also prostitutes, just like “New Europe”, so while they have a wealth of historical experience to draw from, they cannot act on it because of the iron grip Uncle Shmuel has on their political throats. Even France, which used to have some real independence, under such leaders as de Gaulle and Mitterrand, now is just another voiceless and clueless protectorate.

Which leaves the US. I won’t repeat it all here, but to sum it all up: there are only two segments of the US military forces which are still meaningfully combat capable: the nuclear triad and the US submarine forces (strategic and attack). Both use mostly old, even outdated, equipment, both waste absolutely fantastic sums of money, but both are still for real. The problem with such a lop-sided force is that while it can devastate any enemy, it can only do so at the cost of being devastated by the Russian counter-strikes. In other words, by the time the US SSN and SSBN are engaged against Russia, we will be dealing with a large-scale war (even more so if nukes are used, which they probably will, at least on the tactical level). Oh, and this too: no amount of subs and nukes can “protect” any part of Europe from a (entirely hypothetical) Russian attack (conventional or not). For that, you still need the one thing the US has the least of: combat capable “boots on the ground”.

Did you know that in the 1990s Russia had almost no defenses in the western direction? Nothing bigger than division/brigade sized forces. And they were all in very bad shape. And the Kremlin, under Eltsin, only wanted to further “reform” (i.e. “destroy”) the Russian military.

So what brought about such dramatic changes in the Russian force posture?

The EU/US/NATO war against the Serbian nation.

And the endless western threats, of course.

One could be excused for thinking that the collective West would have realized this mistake and that now they would try something smarter?

Nope!

They did exactly the same thing again, this time with the Kaliningrad enclave.

And they are now openly talking about “dealing with Russia from a position of force”!

Last time Germany tried that, it didn’t go too well, did it?

Let me summarize what recently happened: the Russians mostly deployed defensive systems in Kaliningrad: air defenses, early warning radars, signals intelligence, fighters, interceptors, electronic warfare units, etc. According to Russian sources, these systems had the ability to spy on much of northern Europe and were capable of simultaneously engaging 475 aerial targets (missiles, aircraft, etc.). Furthermore, these capabilities provided much needed support for the operations of the Baltic Sea Fleet.

Western analysts, always in search for some kind of buzzword or fancy sounding acronym, described that as “anti-access and area denial” aka A2/AD, and proceeded to use it as a justification for more money spending on completely unrealistic plans (see here for a good example). But that was not all, NATO commanders openly stated that they would “send” all sorts of “signals” to “deter” Russia. Again. And, so they did. They sent comparatively tiny forces to their 3B+PU (that is 3 Balts plus Poland and the Ukraine) protectorates where they played at all sorts of seriously sounding wargames.

Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior, but NATO analysts apparently don’t know that. But what had to happen did happen: Russia has now announced that she will create a full Motor-Rifle Division inside the Kaliningrad enclave. And this division won’t be “sending” any “messages” to 3B+PU, NATO or anybody else. But they will train for real war, the kind of war which Russia always waged on her enemies when attacked. Bravo NATO! Now you are going to have to deal with a much more dangerous force than before, well done!

As for the Poles, they are now claiming that the entire “Fort Trump” plan, of which they were so proud of, was just a concept. Why? Because these losers are now terrified that the Biden team will remember how they backed Trump during the past four years (as did the rest of the 3B+PUs). This really is worth repeating: unlike those countries which heroically resisted the AngloZionist Empire (Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, etc), or those who at least did not volunteer to be occupied (Japan, Korea, Germany), the 3B+PU are the only countries actually willing to pay (while being mostly broke!) for the US military to occupy them. Just from that perspective any Russian will immediately conclude that irrespective of their numbers on paper, these country’s actual combat potential is close to zero (the Russians remember very well that all the many units composed of volunteers from many European countries occupied by Germany and who were fighting on the side of Germany during WWII were only good at massacring and terrorizing civilians, but when faced with the regular Red Army they *always* ran like hell).

Finally, if you think of NATO as a structure, then the US military is both its foundation and its cornerstone. With the US entering the worst crisis of its (admittedly short) history, it is completely unable to perform even its normal tasks, nevermind fighting the most powerful military force on the planet.

If the EU leaders had any kind of awareness of these realities, they could immediately embark on a series of steps to stop this insanity. Amongst these could be such “unthinkable” steps as:

  • Declaring that Russia and/or Putin are not always responsible for all the evil and problems in the universe.
  • Immediately being to take small, but steady, confidence building measures, including resuming normal contacts between western and Russian militaries.
  • Resuming economic collaboration with Russia, not because anybody has to like or approve of Putin, but simply to give the best possible conditions to the European industries.
  • Stop parroting the idiocies à la Skripal/Navalnyi cooked up about Russia by the Anglos and tell them that they can fight their own (useless) propaganda wars if they like them so much.
  • Getting together with the Russians and any mentally sane central European leaders to discuss what to do together to save the Ukraine from its current implosion (which will very negatively affect the EU, much more so than Russia).
  • Define a list of policy issues in which Russia and the EU could work together, stuff like immigration, crime, terrorism, Takifirism, space, health crises, etc.

These are just a few, basic, suggestions. A real list could be several pages long and be much wider than the few options I listed. None of them require anything painful or crucial from Europe, just good old common sense.

But no, not only are EU leaders not making even small steps to return to sanity, they still think they can bully and threaten Russia into some kind of compliance. I wish somebody told them something as simple as “Russia ain’t Poland”, really.

At the core of it all, there is a cultural difference: Europeans (and nevermind their US bosses!) are not really afraid of war. That is why they are not really prepared for it at all. The Russians are very, very afraid of war, because they know and remember it. This is why the West is all threats and no action, while Russia is all actions and no threats. From the Russian point of view, the best way to avoid war is to really, really prepare for it. One could argue that 1000 years of Russian history were a never ending lesson in preparation for war, especially since most wars fought by Russia were existential.

As my friend Andrei Martyanov recently mentioned in his blog, “Russians also have a saying: once every century Europeans gather their forces and go to Russia to get the shit beaten out of them”. He is right. But last time around Russia lost 30+ millions of people in truly horrible battles. She also lost most of her economy. Then, in the 1990s, Russia almost completely disappeared as a country. As a result, there is this notion of “never again – enough is enough!” underlying most Russian actions today.

The US and Europe can only ignore this at the greatest possible risk for their own survival. Take it from Putin himself, who recently declaredas a citizen of Russia and the head of the Russian state I must ask myself: Why would we want a world without Russia?”

 
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  1. A123 says:

    It is not even “The EU”, it is Germany and France.

    If Putin was wise, he would punish Germany and France for their misbehaviour. Christian Russia, Christian Poland, and Christian Hungary could take a stand together, resisting anti-Christian EU aggression.

    However, Putin’s foreign policy is to reward German threats with energy resources like Nordstream 2. On the surface, it appears that SJW Globalism has no better friend that Putin. He seems eager to betray Christianity, and sides with Mutti Merkel’s importation of sexual deviance.
    ___

    Maybe Putin is playing “The Long Game”?

    Does Putin believe that short-term assistance to IslamoGloboHomo, the vile German Reich, and Brussels SJW Elites will permanently blow up the EU?

    That sounds much riskier than typical conservative Russian international politics. However, it is the only thing that I can come up with to explain why Putin is so servile before Merkel while she repeatedly kicks him below the belt.

    PEACE 😇

  2. Wyatt says:

    I’m still pissed that Clinton and Bush managed to fuck up any chance at normalization with Russia. During the 90s collapse, Russia was basically on a clearance sale and the US could have just straight out bought the country. Culture, institutions, finances, markets: had Clinton actually bothered to be a decent, intelligent man, he would have put pressure on Congress, the IMF and Wall Street to make massive investments in Russia and bought both the short term good will of the Russians and economic entanglement that basically paralyzes most countries into small political maneuvers lest they piss off the US.

    Also, in 2001, Putin offered to join NATO and if that had happened, Russia would have been drawn into the War on Terror on the side of the US. It would have made their support of Iran and Syria less tenable as well.

    It’s a toss-up. On the one hand, I like that Russia kept Assad in power and is helping Iran check the jews. On the other, it would be nice to have normalized relations with Russia. I’m so sick of being on the same side of the British and the French, even if it’s as the dominant half. Interactions with western Europeans has just taught me how much I hate them. Libtards the lot, burying their countries in piles of stupid with their dipshit United States of Europe school project that’s got maybe half a century (if that) left in the tank. At some point, you really get sick of ignorant Euro-trash who don’t know what PNAC is, what the petro-dollar is or how basic economics work.

    This timeline is fucking gay.

    • Agree: Ace
  3. All this sabre-rattling in Europe is just another way to ratchet up defense spending for their respective MICs. They won’t do diddly-squat against Russia, as they know their collective asses would be dead meat pronto. Annoy and harass? Yes, sir, all the way to the bank. But actually attack Russia? Not gonna happen.

    Besides, Russia has a large and prosperous Jewish population, and is no threat to Israel or its interests, despite what is going on in Syria currently. Russia knows the ‘rules’ and sticks to them.

    On the other hand…..

    Attack China? The USA’s only real competitor? The nation that is outplaying the US in most every metric? A nation with an enormous and ever-growing amount of STEM graduates and a government that appears to actually want to uplift its people, rather than gut its core for the profits and interests of the 0.001% A nation that has no great jewish population and a people not enamored of jewish mythologies?

    Now that is an entirely different matter…….

  4. in fact, Saker

    a number of Waffen-SS Divisions – Viking, for instance – included European components and fought quite well against your beloved Red imperialists. They – and the rest of the Nazi military – lost because the C-in-C (Hitler) was incompetent.

    as to today’s Russia, the rich Jews who own the ‘Murkan and European political classes simply will not forgive Russia for

    a. sloughing off Judeo-comunism, and
    b. refusing to submit to open-borders globo-homo. So

    war, as usual, is inevitable. This time

    Haxo won’t mind if the Russians win.

    • Agree: Mulegino1, Thim, Alfred
    • Replies: @Mulegino1
    , @Curmudgeon
  5. Mile says:

    Saker should clarify that Russian change of posture on its western borders as a result of the NATO war against Serbian people doesn’t mean that Russia was in any way siding with the Serbs. Quite contrary. For all intents and purposes Russia was siding with the West, not only by arming Croats but also politically through the UN, issuing threats to Serbs etc. Saker often brings up the same point in order to incorrectly infer that that Russia was allied with Serbs. Unfortunately, the Putin’s years did not bring any change as V. Putin plotted ouster of the Serbian president Milosevic along with B. Clinton. In 2006, many years after the war Russia played the most important role, politically and financially, in the Western project of breaking up the last viable Serbian state i.e. Serbia and Montenegro. At that time Putin’s “friend and partner” was G.W Bush. As a Serb I wonder when will Saker address this issue as he pretends to be a good friend of the Serbs.

    • Replies: @Notsofast
    , @Reger
    , @Ignat
  6. Voltarde says:

    Russia should never let itself be distracted from its most urgent priority: doing everything possible to encourage affordable, healthy, stable family formation and increasing Russia’s TFR above replacement levels.

    And make absolutely sure that Russia’s young people aren’t brainwashed by the anti-civilizational cultural propaganda (aka “Spiritual Pollution”) that is destroying other developed countries in Europe and the Anglo-sphere.

    Also, though I am no Sinophobe, Russia needs to be wary of China. I say this for two reasons:

    1) The CCP leadership seems to be disturbingly comfortable with the UniParty in the USA, especially the perversely named “Democrats”. This same UniParty seeks to destabilize and overthrow the government of Russia, and reduce Russia to a vassal state.

    2) The CCP’s “social credit” system combined with the CCP’s willingness–or more correctly eagerness–to use eugenics, enables China to increase its TFR and quality of human capital at will, and do so rapidly. This has long-term implications for Russia’s security given its low population density in the Far East, the region’s rich natural resources, and the increase in habitability of the region as global climate temperatures increase.

    • Agree: anonymous1963
  7. Notsofast says:
    @A123

    putin doesn’t give a shit how many btu’s of gas he sells to europe. he has managed to drive a wedge between the u.s. and europes largest economy (as well as it most scientifically advanced country). this was unthinkable after the rise of angela merkel loyal lapdog of the neo-cons. geopolitical aikido and another example of non-violent response to nato (the u.s.) and its allies (poodles). well done sir!

    • Agree: tomo
  8. Mulegino1 says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    I mostly agree with your comment, but I think that, rather than simply incompetent, Hitler was simply overwhelmed by the coalition of enemies aligned against him, including those members of the officer corps who were conspiring against him and sabotaging his orders. As such, the mistakes he made were, in essence, negative force multipliers.

    The Waffen SS, man for man, performed extraordinarily well, but in the end the war in Europe was a victory of quantity over quality. This is not to demean the Russians, who were by far the toughest enemies the Germans and their allies had to face. The Russians were the sledgehammer; the Anglo-American forces and their allies were the anvil.

    Frankly, NATO- or more appropriately, GAYTO- , should be an embarrassment to the American military tradition, even given its rather checkered history. What kind of soldier could possibly be inspired to fight and die for globohomo and transgender privilege?

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch, Ugetit
    • LOL: 4Dchessmaster
  9. Notsofast says:
    @Mile

    the only time i was really disappointed in putin was when he was riding around with jr bush in his pick up truck on his texas “ranch”. at the time time i thought “et tu putin?” i have come to realize now that at the time russia had been so purposefully degraded that he could not mount any real challenge to the imposing hegemon of the u.s. and its nato minions. i am amazed at the speed with which he was able to rebuild the once proud nation, while dealing with all the obstacles purposefully thrown in his way. the russians did pull off an extremely ballsy move in taking pristina airport in kosovo, in an ultimately unsuccessful attempt to keep kosovo serbian but you cant blame them for not trying. no one other than the russians has ever come to serbias defense.

    • Agree: tomo
  10. Cyrano says:

    Don’t worry Saker, there won’t be any NATO war against Russia anytime soon. It’s all a bluff. Remember when Trump became president – he wanted to disband NATO? Not because he is a great pacifist, but because he was under the mistaken impression that NATO members are taking advantage of the American “kindness” and getting “protection” for free.

    Then, I guess somebody took Trump aside and explained to him that NATO is the biggest protection racket in history. Every NATO member is required to spend 2% of their GDP on some crappy US weapons.

    Pretty much NATO is a cash cow for the US economy, and one of the few things that keeps them going. For their part, in order to sound credible about their “protection” of their members – US has to pretend to be “tough” and act like they are capable of bullying Russia.

    In fact, I would call the endless provocations and shows of farce by NATO on Russia’s borders, as nothing more than NATO commercials – intended to convince the stupid membership countries of NATO, that the alliance is for real, and give us some more money from your GDP’s, because see how tough we are – we can really protect you.

    Never mind that if the big one ever comes, the protector can’t protect even itself, let alone someone else. Plus they don’t really have a history of “protecting” anyone. In the 2 big European wars, they showed fashionably late – in 1917 and 1944, when the shows were pretty much over.

    One of the few smart westerners (when it comes to the idea of war against Russia) – Field Marshall Bernard Montgomery said that the rule number one in the book of war is: – “Never march on Moscow”. And I don’t think that the current “leaders” of the NATO countries will break this rule anytime soon – at least not if they know what’s good for them.

  11. anonymous[391] • Disclaimer says:

    If Europe really wants to stand on their own feet in collective security, they can’t do it with tank parades. They can do it with statecraft. Europe still has competent diplomats, whereas in the US DoS all the real diplomats got squeezed out by CIA ratfuckers. The poor dumb goobers would be lost.

    So to add one more to your dot-point list: invoke UN Charter Article 33. Maybe the easiest and most drastic of measures. It subverts the current object and purpose of the NATO Charter by acknowledging the EU nations’ prior legal obligation of pacific dispute resolution when threats to peace arise. If (when) the US vetoes UNSC consideration of the proposal Europe can lead a Uniting for Peace resolution.

  12. TG says:

    “In fact, it makes me wonder if the Europeans or, more accurately, the European leaders have gone completely insane. Either that, or maybe they have some kind of death wish?”

    No no no, you miss the point. The European “leaders” (i.e., people who have been bribed to sell out their nations for profit) have not gone insane. They have gone totally corrupt. They simply do not care about their nations anymore, only about their personal prestige and profits. They will live in walled fortresses whileall about them collapses into ruin, all the while clucking about how superior they are to the ‘deplorables’ around them. And when it all finally falls apart, will they manage to steal the last life boats and abscond with their stolen loot? Or will they misjudge and get pulled down with all the rest? Sooner or later, we will find out.

    • Agree: Miro23, Montefrío
    • Thanks: GMC
    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  13. 1. European NATO nations spend ten times more on their military than Russia. They need not spend more.

    2. Russia didn’t grant Ukraine and the Baltic states independence because it wanted to invade them years later. They were a burden that Russia doesn’t want.

    3. NATO logistic hubs are in western Germany and can’t support major forces in combat along Russia’s borders.

    4. Major airborne operations are an unrealistic joke and always have been.

    5. US Army Generals are thrilled to establish yet another worthless senior headquarters (V Corps) in Poland that just demonstrates the incompetence in that organization.

    6. Poles can’t remember how the USA and Britain screwed them during World War II, so are excited to repeat this.

    • Replies: @HeebHunter
    , @Biff
  14. I think the current European leadership should be forced into early retirement, and Europe should form some sort of economic and other union with Russia.

    • Agree: Thim
  15. I agree it is stupidity, but each have their reason. The Poles and the Czechs have always labored under the shadow of the big bear. No small country is happy with a big one as neighbor so I understand that they wanted to be part of the Western vanguard.

    For the U.S., the nightmare has always been if Russia joins Europe. That will create an entity with the economic, military and geographical reach to challenge the U.S., so until the U.S. lose it global hegemony, Russia will always be the bad guy, especially if the U.S. fears losing Europe. Any president who wanted to engage Europe as Biden apparently do, will want Russia as an enemy. Military capability is besides the point. No one will start an invasion, it is all for show. Russia has been a tool to unify Europe.

    Actually, all this is re-arranging chairs on the Titanic. The Chinese will soon (20-30 years) overtake the U.S., and we would become a regional player again. Russia is actually in a good position. If it play the cards right, it could ride the winning train of the Chinese all the way to number two. Europe will still be important player, but will grow old and less significant over time. By the time the U.S. loses its grip on Europe enough that they can actually act on their own best interest, their hand would have worsened significantly. The Nordic countries can still sell their resources, Germany will do fine. France will become a high priced agricultural country and high end fashion brands. The PIIGS will degrade into developing world status, albeit with some legacy industries. The Italians with their fashions, Greeks with their tourism. The Brits will have finance and education.

    In thirty years, the U.S. will slide into a more functional version of Mexico. Actually, there are still quite a few industries that we will do well in. We will excel in software, natural resources, agriculture, medical, military, education, finance, entertainment and tourism. The rest of the industries will be gone. With these industries, there would be no way to challenge a manufacturing superpower like China and we will, one by one, just as the British did, lose our grip of the other countries.

    • Replies: @Montefrío
  16. Druid55 says:
    @A123

    Why don’t you just eff off to yahudistan, effer!

  17. Druid55 says:
    @Wyatt

    They were bought and paid for by the yahudi billionaire thieves! Jeffrey Sacks was sent to advise yeltsin to let his fellow talmouthists stesl everything and they did!

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  18. @A123

    Why do fools always bring religion into what should presumably be a “common sense” human discourse?

    • Replies: @A123
  19. @Mulegino1

    Spot on. Hitler was not incompetent and overwhelmed is the perfect description.

    • Agree: Mulegino1
  20. @Cyrano

    “Plus they don’t really have a history of “protecting” anyone. In the 2 big European wars, they showed fashionably late – in 1917 and 1944, when the shows were pretty much over. ”

    In both cases it was intervention from the jewish lobbies and financial sectors promising the British that they could bring the US in the conflicts on the side of the empire in exchange for Palestine. They got Palestine and the ME has been in turmoil since, not surprisingly. I don’t think I could handle a filthy hook nose squatter dealing in usury and squealing persecution in my back yard either. Hitler’s biggest mistake was NOT creating the gas chambers.

    • Agree: Druid55
  21. Reger says:
    @Mile

    I wonder why Serbia is now a smaller country than before the First Balkan War? The only additional province is the Vojvodina and that is probably because of the expulsion of its German inhabitants after WW2.

    • Replies: @Milw
  22. Vojkan says:
    @A123

    Along with Uniate Western Ukraine, “Christian Poland” is the most rabidly anti-Russian country in the world. The only people who hate Russia more than Poles are the Khazarians. As a rule, the more Papist an Eastern European country is, the more hateful of Russia it is. Even though there are less differences between Orthodox and Catholics than there are between both and any Protestant offshoot, let alone any other religion, the Orthodox have learnt that the only people from whom they really can never expect any good are the Catholics.
    Whereas Catholicism is a matter of faith in Western Europe, in Eastern Europe it is a matter of sycophancy and hatred. From the Baltic states to Croatia, via Poland or the Ukraine, Eastern Papists stink.

    • Agree: Fallingwater
  23. If the US and Russia ever got into a ground war, the Russians would run away. Thanks to all the homosexuals, transgenders, and ghetto crack whores in the ranks of the US military, the risk of STDs would just would be too high in case of hand-to-hand combat.

    • Replies: @Annacath
    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  24. Garliv says:
    @Cyrano

    You are spot on. However I have some reservations that leaders of NATO/US are always rationale. They are so full of their rhetorics/bs that some actually believe themselves. In that sense it is not hard to get some nutcase like Saakashvili who may actually start shooting. Once that happens it’s harder even to predict what next. Forget not that US/UK like prodding Russians and they can easily use/encourage/bribe one of those small Baltic country or Poland to provoke.

    NB: I gave up seeking a rationale explanation on why some Eastern European countries neighbouring Russia would always be willing to be provocateurs while they would be the first to be destroyed in the event of serious shooting. Is it death wish?

  25. Miro23 says:

    That’s a really positive set of ideas for European/Russian engagement that the European public should welcome (including Eastern Europeans).

    The problem has to be US/EU elites who have a different agenda. For example Klaus Schwab (Covid 19: The Great Reset) – which I recently read – with its nightmarish world – presenting Covid-19 as something like the Black Death and being an opportunity to introduce supra-national institutional control.

    • Declaring that Russia and/or Putin are not always responsible for all the evil and problems in the universe.
    • Immediately being to take small, but steady, confidence building measures, including resuming normal contacts between western and Russian militaries.
    • Resuming economic collaboration with Russia, not because anybody has to like or approve of Putin, but simply to give the best possible conditions to the European industries.
    • Stop parroting the idiocies à la Skripal/Navalnyi cooked up about Russia by the Anglos and tell them that they can fight their own (useless) propaganda wars if they like them so much.
    • Getting together with the Russians and any mentally sane central European leaders to discuss what to do together to save the Ukraine from its current implosion (which will very negatively affect the EU, much more so than Russia).
    • Define a list of policy issues in which Russia and the EU could work together, stuff like immigration, crime, terrorism, Takifirism, space, health crises, etc.

  26. Herald says:
    @Wyatt

    No country can have normal relations with the US. Countries are either its vassals or its enemies and there is no middle ground.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
  27. @Voltarde

    1- Russia takes family formation seriously enough to offer a bit of free money to new parents on a sliding scale: \$5500 for the first, \$7000 for the second, etc. The catch is that it’s deposited into an account and can be used only for education or property, which in effect means kindergarten or a sad little dacha somewhere. Good enough for Russians, though, and many a family has three kids just to dump a million+ rubles on an apartment in Moscow. Sounds good on paper, but in reality, when you see the kindergartens and the properties, it’s all pretty sad.

    2- Not only are they not very brainwashed, it doesn’t matter one way or another, given cultural stagnation in Russia. The old generations are still shuffling along, make up most of the workforce in government offices, enforcing their babushka-centered worldview. Young Russians are total pussycats when it comes to all this, and nothing short of actual German takeover could change it. Problem is that any real progress Russia could make is hobbled by the same thing. And that’s before we even get to the ministry and political castes.

    3- Vassalage to China is probably inevitable on a longer timeline.

    4- Russia would likely lease a huge quantity of land directly to China while retaining political control. If not, as Siberia turns more into a swamp, they’ll surely start growing cash crops to feed their neighbors to the south.

    • Replies: @GMC
    , @Alfred
  28. It is so depressing. Europe truly does have a death wish. Throughout history Russia has been key in Europe and once had excellent links to England as evidenced by Lord Burleigh; and also the Muscovy Company. It wasn’t trust and fraternisation but it was trade and diplomacy.

    If Chamberlain had not been so trusting of France over Stalin he might have protected Czechoslovakia by demanding France mobilise so the cross-alliance with USSR would bring Stalin to oppose Hitler in 1938. Instead the farce of Drax failing to negotiate with Molotov led to the Pact with Ribbentrop. FDR’s pressure on Chamberlain no doubt played a part – but until Churchill had a pragmatic association with Stalin, Hitler was rampant. In the end Churchill deeded Stalin everything east of the Elbe that Hitler had taken.

    Stupidity.

    The natural “friend” for UK is Russia as a counterpoint to Franco-German lunacies. The Mackinder Plan is well-served by UK having an ally in the Eurasian landmass – “Interessengemeinschaft”

    Instead UK has played Russian Bear as a threat to keep Germany away from Russia and simply let France play fast and loose – again. It will end up with Germany as a Chinese satellite and France turning to Russia.

    NATO is run by madmen like Stoltenberg who has been re-wired from his time as Norway’s PM to propound contrary policies. Provocation of Russia is outrageous and defending the nation is the highest goal Putin can attain and his successor must ensure economic and military strength.

    Western Europe has imploded. The Political Elites have found a model they like – China. One Party control with Techno-Fascism and Uninhibited Wealth. – it appeals to the Oligarchs in The West who want a Fritz Lange “Metropolis” or H G Wells “Time Machine” World for their security.

    This will end in blood – either Civil War or Nuclear War – China may intend both

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  29. @Cyrano

    Yet Operation Unthinkable was still known to Montgomery

    Firstly, the curious incident of the missing telegram. In 1954 Churchill said, in a speech in his constituency at Woodford in Essex that, even before the war was over, he had “telegraphed to Lord Montgomery directing him to be careful in collecting the German arms, to stack them so they could easily be issued again to the German soldiers whom we should have to work with if the Soviet advance continued.” This caused a furore in the British press, and rather spoilt the celebrations for Churchill’s 80th birthday, as a number of Labour MPs, including Barbara Castle, refused to sign a Birthday Book in his honour because he had been willing to “use Nazi soldiers against our war allies.”

    Montgomery, when asked about this, at first said he had received the telegram, but then could not find it in his papers. Churchill withdrew the remark saying he must have confused one telegram with another and the matter died down.

    However, as David Reynolds and other historians have found, in Montgomery’s papers at the Imperial War Museum archives there is a handwritten note, dated June 1959, entitled “The Truth about the Telegram”, in which Montgomery confirms he received a verbal, but not written, order from Churchill to ‘stack’ German weapons, in case they might be needed to fight the Russians.

    “On 14th May 1945 I flew to London from Germany to see the Prime Minister to tell him that the problems of government in Germany were so terrific that he must at once appoint a C-in-C and Military Governor…. The announcement was made on 22nd May.

    At our meeting in Downing Street the P.M. got very steamed up about the Russians and about the zones of occupation – which would entail a large scale withdrawal on our part. He ordered that I was not to destroy the weapons of the 2 million Germans who had surrendered on Luneburg Heath on the 4th May. All must be kept, we might have to fight the Russians with German help.”

    http://howitreallywas.typepad.com/how_it_really_was/2009/09/operation-unthinkable.html

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
    , @Cyrano
  30. @Carlton Meyer

    More like pooland has always been worthless. It is fun to play 20/20 armchair hindsight, but I seriously consider pooland to be the prime fuse of that disaster.

    • LOL: Zarathustra
  31. “To be fair, all the military operations along the Russian border bother the Russians only because they show that the “collective West” still hates and fears Russia.”

    Are you sure the Christian West hates Christian Russia, albeit, orthodox? The ““collective West”” isn’t the real West because its center of gravity resides in the “eternal” city, somewhere in the Middle East!

  32. TheBreeze says:

    Message after message year in year out without a conclusion. I am tired. Let’s have some action and produce an outcome whatever that may be. Or go home to your mama.

  33. MLK says:
    @Wyatt

    I’m going to try to simplify.

    The place to begin is an acknowledgement that CCP China won the post-Cold War quarter century, hands down.

    Nothing better exemplifies the near criminal malfeasance than the USG during the Obama administration consciously driving Russia into a strategic alliance with China.

    That’s a sad story. Telegraphed for anyone half-intelligent paying attention in the label ‘Unipolar Moment.’ In geopolitics, moments are the very definition of failure.

    Despite my stark disagreements with him, particularly when he strays into American domestic politics, The Saker has been invaluable when it comes to Russia during Putin’s years. Given Russia’s dire circumstances at the turn of the millennium, Putin deserves highest marks.

    Particularly for playing the long game at what the former Soviet Union excelled at, the spy game. While the USG was stupidly allowing looting, thus destroying the American reputation among Russians, Putin methodically developed moles and assets at the pinnacle of the American National Security State.

    Brennan has been paying off like a slot machine for not just Russia but China as well since he became Director of the National Counter-Terrorism Center, acquiring compromising information on anyone and everyone.

    It’s common for observers to blame the American people. But it isn’t their fault that filth like Brennan — and he’s just the tip of the treasonous iceberg — rose and have been able to wreak such damage.

    I’m quite optimistic in the near term. Assuming Trump takes the oath again. Otherwise, we will go through an exceedingly dangerous period with Sleepy Joe as the equivalent of Yeltsin upon his “reelection” in 1996.

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
    • Replies: @Sean
  34. Biff says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    6. Poles can’t remember how the USA and Britain screwed them during World War II, so are excited to repeat this.

    Did you hear about the Polack that was stuck on the escalator for an hour because the power went out?

    • LOL: Sean
  35. Trickster says:

    The West is famous for its jargon, which constantly repeated, sounds stupid. Words like awesome, amazing are used so often they are meaningless. The Pyramids are awesome but Billy’s torn jeans that cost \$150 ?? “Sending a message” and “drawing a red line” = jargon from the village idiots.

    The EU and NATO have sent so many, the world now tunes out. This would be like 2 dwarfs “sending a message” to Hell’s Angels.

    As Tuco said in The Good Bad and Ugly “If you must shoot, shoot, dont talk”.

    I now wish to “send a message” to NATO and the EU ……..Shit or get off the potty !

  36. A123 says:
    @Ukraine Tiger

    Why do you think Putin is a fool for being Orthodox Christian?

    PEACE 😇

  37. @A123

    I suspect what you are missing is the financial dependency on Jews that also controls Russia. Germany was up until about 2000 rather independent, financially speaking. Several cunning moves through the real estate fraud scheme of the 2000’s in particular and German’s increasing entanglement through the EU, the Jewish interests set a trap in Germany and Europe that controls them and their actions, even when they are not aware of it. A similar process had happened in Russia through the fall and restructuring of the Soviet Union that put Russia into a vulnerable and manipulable position. Watch amy number of Wall Street movies for a perspective on the kind of moves I’m referring to. At the center of all those moves are always the same thing that has plagued the west for many centuries as it relates to mostly Jewish banking; a blind, foolish, decadent, entitled ruling class that cannot see what is coming for them out of blind selfishness. So they keep walking into financial traps and Snares that both subjugate them, and move them however the bankers want them to move.

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @A123
  38. To admire Russian military forces is one thing, but:

    … there are only two segments of the US military forces which are still meaningfully combat capable …

    Sod off the vodka, my blogging friend. Someone might get hurt.

    There are more than two segments of the US military forces which are still meaningfully combat capable.

    I won’t be drawn into pro-American jingoism to debate you, but you might reconsider your practical assessment of the facts.

    • Agree: Rich
  39. Jake says:
    @A123

    Can’t beat this quote from The Saker: These small countries are what I call “prostitute states” – they don’t want sovereignty, freedom or dignity. All they want is for Uncle Shmuel to protect them when they bark and for the EU to give them tons of money as a reward for their prostitution to the collective West.

    This prostituting is not by the average citizen of any EU state, not even Germany. It is by the super powerful elites of the EU states. And the prostituting is to Anglo-Zionist Empire. That’s the reason that Brexit does not matter one itty bitty teeny bit. England is the original home of Anglo-Zionist Empire. As long as the UK is ruled by people who are cultural WASPs, then the UK will co-lead the prostituting to Jewish interests.

    The answer is the same of all nationalities: it is either Christ and Christendom or Chaos in which Jews per capita rule, and that Chaos eventually will exterminate historic European cultures and peoples.

    • Replies: @A123
  40. This entire comment thread is pure coping. China and Russia are going nowhere and have little to offer the future world.

  41. @Paul Greenwood

    “He[Churchill] ordered that I was not to destroy the weapons of the 2 million Germans who had surrendered on Luneburg Heath on the 4th May. All must be kept, we might have to fight the Russians with German help.”

    One might read a statement like this as Churchill showing a wee bit of independence from his controllers. Am I the only one to notice that Churchill was electorally defeated on July 5, 1945, just two short months later?

    Hmmm… Do we need to look at the history of that defeat again? Or am I just too suspicious? Maybe reading too much UR.

  42. Almost all of the world’s politicians serve the bankers of that little independent City of London. Those very bankers rule the world, including Russia. If they want another war to kill us off, they’ll get it from our so called leaders. Russia-Soviet Union plays a role of perpetual beaten slave. The US is the rabid pit-bull. German and France are the are the emperor’s court eunuchs. If we the little people want to prevent this, we need to figure out a way to get to the bankers. The government thing is a waste of time. Nor will voting save anyone on any continent.

    • Agree: Montefrío
  43. Annacath says:
    @Ray Caruso

    You really nailed it, Vojkan. Catholics in Eastern Europe are indeed filled with hatred.

  44. Milw says:
    @Reger

    It’s because our perceived friends and even brothers are the Russians and not the Germans. Every pro-German part of former Yugoslavia formed their new states for the firs time in history at Serbian expense because, unlike Russia, Germany was always faithful to its allies. In other words with an ally like Russia our people can never get ahead.

  45. yurivku says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    But actually attack Russia? Not gonna happen.

    they’re checking Russia’s tolerance. It’s not endless and afterwards the risk of random false alarm is constantly increases. So US/EU are playing with fire, f*cken dumbs.

  46. A123 says:
    @Frank frank

    You engaged in a baffling jump there. Nothing to do with Jews. Let me be more precise:

    Germany is highly anti-Semitic and a Muslim Caliphate. Mullah Merkel of Islam seeks to end Christian power in places like Hungary and Poland for the greater glory of her Allah.

    Why does Putin demean himself and weaken Christianity by supporting Merkel’s Jihad?

    Opposing the German Caliphate presents an excellent opportunity for Christian Poland and Christian Russia to achieve reconciliation over past history.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: Druid55
    • Replies: @Z-man
  47. @Cyrano

    Here is something I like to send to NATO enthusiasts.

    ♬ In the NATO, we’ll sail the seven seas
    in the NATO, you can put your mind at ease ♪

    Village People
    In the Navy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmGuy0jievs

    • Replies: @Z-man
  48. yurivku says:
    @Cyrano

    And I don’t think that the current “leaders” of the NATO countries will break this rule anytime soon – at least not if they know what’s good for them.

    that’s true, but as said already the risk of WW3 is increasing with each new provocation from US/NATO and with weapon’s range and power increase.

  49. A123 says:
    @Jake

    You are also confusing Islam and Judaism.

    IslamoGloboHomo SJW is all about Muhammad. Those who want to emulate Muhammad need access to nine year old little girls like Aisha. All forms of sexual deviance are normalized by SJW Islam to work toward there ultimate goal of achieving acceptance of paedophila.

    The French Muslim film Mignonnes (a.k.a. Cuties) was produced and distributed with the intent to make underage French girls available to Muslim Men in France. This should be incredibly obvious to everyone.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Druid55
  50. @Wyatt

    You’re “pissed” that the JewSA – scuse me, you said Clinton & Bush (like they actually called the shots) – didn’t both “normalize relations” & simultaneously conquer Russia economically?

    How would it have been a good thing (from an Aryan racialist pov) had one aspect of your schizoid/incoherent stated desire – for America to have purchased Russia – actually happened (presuming Russia is even semi-independent of ZOG, which is doubtful)?

    You sound like you believe in Americanism…in PNAC (despite your mentioning it derisively). You seem upset about Russia having been able to ostensibly oppose America’s efforts to completely Judaize the ostensible last bastions of resistance to Jewry (Iran & Syria). If so, why?

    Cute, you do really think Clinton made the decisions. And you hate the poor Europeans, who have been occupied for half a century.

    Compare one of those libtards from W.Europe to the average American. In my experience at least, those libtards from Europe ain’t half as dumb as the average American. They might be ignorant just the same, but the one’s I met & spoke to weren’t nearly as resistant to the Aryan racialist mindset as the average Ameri-patriotard.

    You should be upset with America far more than with Europe. Aside from the JUwK, they resisted Judaization. They tried. America has proven to be the ideal system for Jewish exterminationism against Aryans…against whites. Only the JUwK can be argued to have been similarly accommodating to Jewry. Over a century ago, a popular motto to describe America was “the business of America is business.” A virgin continent, conquered & turned into a strip mall, but we just don’t like taking a look at ourselves, do we? Even the JUwK at least at times resisted the Jews. King Edward expelled most of them until the fanatical christ-cuck “we iz da real Hebrews” Cromwell decided to bring them back.

    Heh though, maybe if one day puritanical America is denounced by enough of the right people, we too will establish some sort of meaningful resistance and develop a survival mentality. Maybe we will choose to thrive instead of be bullies/cowards/cucks/patriotard types.

    • Replies: @Wyatt
  51. You talk about countries unable to remember history and then proceed to bastardize history yourself. Your claim of the Germans and their allies only being able to murder and terrorize civilians is so egregious and false that one with any real brain power left would know you speak out of your arse and are either clueless or pushing the Schmuel agenda. Russia being the absolute worst followed closely by the US, England and France murdered, raped and terrorized far more than Germany could have dreamed. With your complete lack of real historical knowledge, I wonder how your given a platform here to speak your BS.

    • Agree: Oikeamielinen, Druid55, L.K
  52. It may be off topic, however I would like to say that quite a few times I tried to post a comment on the Saker’s blog, every time without success. Every lie that is intended to glorify Russia and Putin will pass the censure, every truth critical of Russia and Putin, no matter how irrefutable it may be, will not. And yet the guy just keeps preaching how everything is beautiful there (in Russia) and everything so rotten here. I wonder when he will address the issues like the standards of living of the working people in Russia (the minimum salary is set bellow \$200 a month), the state of political freedoms including prosecution of nationalists and others, the unending constitutional changes to accommodate yet another term for V. Putin, the systemic corruption from the top down, the fake capitalism and the issue of oligarchs including the Yeltsin’s family, betrayal of historical friends and allies by the unreliable and corrupt political elites, why it is that Russia today has only the “partners” but not one true friend etc. Is the West to be blamed for all Russia’s problems or is it just a convenient scapegoat for the “bloggers” like Saker? There are so many interesting things that Saker can write about to objectively inform the world when it comes to the true state of affairs in Russia today instead of the incessant pro-Russian propaganda.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @EugeneGur
  53. @Ray Caruso

    LOL!

    There was a Pentagon study that admitted that the US would probably lose a war with Russia or China. That might precepitate the toppling of the US government or breakup of the US or both.

  54. Rich says:
    @Mulegino1

    1. Invading Poland.
    2. Letting the British escape at Dunkirk.
    3. Leaving his troops to be destroyed at Stalingrad.
    4. Declaring war on the US.
    5. Not fully developing his rocket program fast enough.

    Just these 5 fast facts along with dozens of others as well as fighting a two front war against two tremendously populated enemies? He forced himself to be overwhelmed through incompetence.

    • Replies: @Alexandros
    , @aleksander
  55. @TG

    Our leaders are corrupt, crazy and fools. They regard their citizenry as livestock and “climate change” and “covid” are excuses to expand their powers and ultimately destroy their economies for the Great Reset. Even if Pres. Trump emerges victorious we’re not voting our way out of this. If he doesn’t win, the US is a banana republic dictatorship with nukes.

  56. GMC says:
    @Marshall Lentini

    Ya , I see what you are saying about the Russian society , but it all depends on where you go in Russia. And time is on their side. Those old Soviet flats were pretty raw , but people fix them up all the time and that puts locals to work. The biggest problems, on a local level – there are no community planners or western type managers in the towns or villages. I live sort of rural and was in construction management in the States and 1 year in Crimea. I can see every mistake they make , but no one will listen to a foreigner , unless their Boss – tells them to. Crimea is up and coming tho, with the older, older folks been retired – many young folks are being trained { Russia rules } in the Gov. offices. I see new schools, renovated hospitals, bigger farm markets, and the infrastructure is slowly being re built. The novi road and bridge are really nice. The people seem to live on the wages they make – some good some not, but everyone has a place to live and there is room to grow , they can’t go down like the West will. And compared to the rest of the world , that has serious problems, the Rooskies should come out – OK. My 2 rubles .

    • Agree: Alfred
  57. anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:

    Europe has a secret weapon for escaping NATO-driven great power confrontation. The DoS pukes will never know what hit them.

    Article 8 of the 1899 Hague Convention. You can read the Wikipedia entry till your eyes bleed but you won’t see a word about this provision. The US stuffed it down the memory hole. It’s inconceivable CRIMETHINK.

    Under this provision the disputant parties stop communicating and choose seconds as duellists would. The “mediating Powers” negotiate on a deadline. Done right, this cuts the US out (that’s why they memoryholed it.) Communication flows exclusively through the mediators. Exercise of mediation rights can never be regarded as an unfriendly act, so US has nothing to say about it, even as a NATO member.

    The trick is in choosing the seconds to send a message. You want countries with international standing based on the soft power the US lacks. Members of the Small Five, for example – Singapore, Costa Rica, or Switzerland… Or countries with judges on the ICJ bench – Jamaica, Lebanon… (this is a kick in the teeth for the UK, which just got booted off the bench.) Or countries currently on the Human Rights Council – Bolivia, Cuba… (this insults the US directly because the US quit the HRC in a huff.) Or pick renowned international leaders, say, a founding member of the G-77 or past president and disarmament envoy of the of Non-Aligned Movement (… like Iran! Now there’s a thumb in the eye for official US assholes.).

    The negotiators could broach anything: disarmament, demilitarization, a non-aggression pact. It will supersede the NATO Charter because it’s legally subordinated to the UN Charter, and the UN Charter obligates pacific dispute resolution.

    Just make sure the Gladio munitions caches are secure, because that will be the US’s sole recourse.

  58. A123 says:
    @johntravolta

    It may be off topic, however I would like to say that quite a few times I tried to post a comment on the Saker’s blog, every time without success.

    When The Saker’s blog was low traffic, I think he did much of the moderation himself and diversity of option was accepted. When traffic increased, he chose staff poorly. Many insightful posters were ruthlessly suppressed rendering the TS Comments section mind numbingly uniform and without value.

    Be grateful to Mr. Unz that UR has not experienced a similar intellectual decline.

    PEACE 😇

  59. Marcali says:

    “According to the calculations of Fridtjof Nansen, beginning in 1500, every seven years Russia added as much territory to its empire as that occupied by the Kingdom of Norway. Imperialism is a traditional, basic, and integral trait of Russia – its chief trait in fact.”
    (Solovyov – Klepikova: The map is the message in mother Russia, The Christian Science Monitor, August 11-17, 1986.)

  60. Sean says:
    @MLK

    The place to begin is an acknowledgement that CCP China won the post-Cold War quarter century, hands down

    As Winston Churchill is supposed to have said after WW1, “We strangled the wrong chicken”. The collapse of the Soviet Union was partly as a result of Gorbachev going on a trip to China where masses of democracy protesters humiliated the Chinese leadership that were planning a USSR China rapprochement summer, by coming to the Russian Embassy and appealing to him. Days later–after Gorby had left China– came the Tiananmen Square massacre. As he told associates Gorbachev thought anything better that to have a Tiananmen in Red Square so he did not crush dissent in the way he saw happen in 1989 China. Having abjured the use of force, Gorbachev was unable to control the centrifugal manifestations of the process he had set in motion. Yeltsin was made of sterner stuff domestically (two coups including the bombarding of parliament) but trusted the Western diplomatic assurances–or what he took to be such–that East Germany would not join nato and it would not expand into Poland let alone former USSR. With the Russian leadership apparently pacified and begging for loans, the West thought it had triumphed through its market economy, which China could try and mimic, but could never match. Ha!

    Nothing better exemplifies the near criminal malfeasance than the USG during the Obama administration consciously driving Russia into a strategic alliance with China.

    Japan is a much better fit for an alliance with Russia, and exploitation of the resources of Siberia with the aid of technology from Japan could make it a much more important country.

    [W]e will go through an exceedingly dangerous period with Sleepy Joe as the equivalent of Yeltsin upon his “reelection” in 1996.

    Vlad “don’t call me a paedo or I’ll have you poisoned” Putin was effectively appointed by Yeltsin in the aftermath of the expansion of Nato. Vladimir the counter intelligence specialist (ie professional paranoiac) as leader of Russia: Yeltsin’s revenge. Then the price of oil went up and Russia found China was a customer for all Russia could deliver. The numerous battlefield nuclear weapons that Russia has retained are intended to deter China. But the threat of an incredible action is not a credible deterrent. If anything like Saker’s views gain currency in Russia, it will need to be slapped down.

    The vulnerability of the Russian far east to Chinese attack from Manchuria makes the situation very different to operating into Siberia. For the Chinese an advance overland to the Sea Of Okhotsk in order to cut off the region, followed by the capture of Vladivostok might appear a tempting ‘small war’
    (War and the New Disorder in the 21st Century by Jeremy Black)

    • Replies: @antibeast
  61. pyrrhus says:

    “So what brought about such dramatic changes in the Russian force posture?”

    Putin…

  62. Svevlad says:

    They’re being stupid, again. If they REALLY wanted to conquer Russia, they would look to the successful examples: ancient Slavs (overruning via demographics), Mongols (fast, advanced self-sustaining armies that can cover a lot of territory with small numbers) and that’s basically it.

    Instead they make the same mistakes they always do, warring with Russia like it has a western european population density – beelining towards the population centers. Dumb move, overextends the logistics and supply train. Russians aren’t immune to this either (see: Afghanistan). The westerners make that mistake not just with Russia, but nearly everywhere else (also Afghanistan, Iraq etc). Hence guaranteed losses. The tactic wouldn’t even work in western Europe if it wasn’t so populated

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  63. The message was sent long time ago and received by Russia: Empire and its sidekicks are not agreement-capable. Everything else is superfluous.

  64. EugeneGur says:
    @Wyatt

    bought both the short term good will of the Russians and economic entanglement that basically paralyzes most countries into small political maneuvers lest they piss off the US.

    Speaking like a true American. In case you haven’t noticed, Russia isn’t afraid to piss of the US. Furthermore, IMF did “invest” in Russia and it created no good will, for IMF never did any country any good but impoverish them. Putin paid them off and kicked them out, and this is one of the best things he’s even done.

    Putin offered to join NATO and if that had happened, Russia would have been drawn into the War on Terror on the side of the US.

    Never would’ve happened even if by some bizarre twist of fate Russia had joined NATO. Russia is no American puppet and would’ve never engaged itself in this idiocy. Russians ain’t Poles, man.

    To have good relations with Russia, you have to think differently – how to deal with an equal on equal terms. I realize it’s all but impossible for the Americans, for the are the one indispensable nation. It’s also hard for the Europeans for they also think in term of the Untermenschen. But that’s the only way.

  65. Remember when Senator John McCain described Russia as a gas station with nuclear weapons- rather than make a permanent treaty with Russia.

    Of course the United States allowed and encouraged the looting of Russia by oligarchs.

    Corrigan, President of the Federal Reserve of New York, boasted that he could out-drink Boris Yeltsin.

    Edward Manfredonia

  66. While in the meantime, here in the U.S. treasonous establishment media prints headlines like, “Talk of secession is treasonous”. Funny, or not so, that this same establishment media are forgetting that they are suppressing information daily to citizens, damaging information about Biden and the democrats, so that they can keep Joe Biden looking clean and not utterly corrupt as he is, having been compromised by China, along with his son Hunter and the rest of the Biden’s. The election was clearly fraudulent. The information is there, the media will not report it to millions of Americans. “THIS”, IS TREASON AGAINST AMERICAN CITIZENS.

  67. Anon[796] • Disclaimer says:

    This time Russia is the most Christian nation. Last time Red Communists ran Russia and were suppressing the faith. God will be on the side of a righteous Christian nation. Hopefully God will arrange for the sabre-rattling on all sides to pass and internal dissatisfaction to make Uncle Schmuel to take a good luck in his anti-democratic mirror and realize his heart needs a change.

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  68. Russia is not as weak as everyone seems to think. If it were so weak, it would not be so despised by so many ((media)) outlets.

  69. @Lake Wobegon

    Interesting analysis. I made the decision to expatriate in ’98 in part because of work requirements, in part because I believed that Robert Prechter was correct in concluding that no nation that eviscerates its manufacturing base is likely to prosper or perhaps even survive as an economicly viable entity once it has done so. A USA that declines in prosperity is a USA circling the drain as a “proposition” nation, given that competition for increasing scare resources rququired for maintaining a “middle class” lifestyle will put paid to unrealistic compassion for those worse off.

    • Replies: @Lake Wobegon
  70. EugeneGur says:
    @johntravolta

    the standards of living of the working people in Russia (the minimum salary is set bellow \$200 a month)

    The standards of living of working people aren’t high but where are they high exactly? The living standards in Russia had been rising under Putin for many years until 2013 when Russia lost a lot because of the Ukraine coup (organized by the West, by the way, but the West, of course, isn’t to blame). Since then, it’s been up and down for a variety of reasons. Correct me of I am wrong, but the standards of living of working people in the US, for example, have been going down steadily for the last quarter of the century.

    the state of political freedoms including prosecution of nationalists and others

    I’d rate the state of political freedom in Russia as high or higher as in the West. The real freedom, I mean, not as it is portrayed in the western media.

    Is the West to be blamed for all Russia’s problems or is it just a convenient scapegoat for the “bloggers” like Saker?

    No, the West is not to blame of ALL Russia’s problems. But the West is doing a lot of harm to Russia, doing it on purpose, openly, with a clear and openly stated intent to destroy the Russian economy (remember “economy in tatters”?) and make its people starve. The West has destroyed Ukraine, and only accommodation of the Ukrainian refugees cost Russia a pretty penny.

    There are so many interesting things that Saker can write about to objectively inform the world when it comes to the true state of affairs in Russia

    If you want to read how thoroughly bad Russia is and the West so-o-o good, you can always read Washington Post.

    • Agree: Vojkan
  71. Alfa158 says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    True; in addition to the material military assets of NATO vs Russia, there is one question that I think is even more critical to understanding why this sabre rattling is just a bid for more money for the Western MIC:

    What is the Western tolerance for casualties in an offensive war fought for money and power on behalf of a psychopathic elite, as compared to Russian tolerance for casualties in a defensive war fought for their very existence as a nation?

    I would have thought even the imbeciles who rule the West today could look at the outcome of WW2 and see the clear as day answer to that question.

    Apparently I might be horribly wrong.

    • Replies: @Mustapha Mond
  72. @A123

    You are failing to know your history. Since when has Poland ever acted in its own best interests?

    • Replies: @A123
  73. @Svevlad

    Instead they make the same mistakes they always do, warring with Russia like it has a western european population density

    History shows that marching on Moscow is not a good career move: Napoleon, Hitler.

    It is said that fools learn from their own mistakes, whereas smart people learn from the mistakes of fools. Now, what do we call people who don’t learn even from their own mistakes?

  74. saggy says:

    My wife is Russian, and we watch one TV series show per night (Nexflis, Prime, Hulu) and the anti-Russian propaganda is incessant … now we’re watching Blindspot …. and every villain turns out to be Russian, and we get to hear a little Russian dialog in each show, as one of the protagonists (think Manchurian candidate) was captured as a child by the Russians and knows the language !, Russians have been the villains in many of the shows we’ve watched. Weird !

  75. @Rich

    1. Don’t invade Poland. Be at the mercy of your enemies instead and let them maim your civilians and make a fool out of you.
    2. Don’t trust your military. Risk the capture of France so you can chase some retreating Brits instead. A war winner, no doubt.
    3. Instead of “leaving” his troops at Stalingrad, he should have magically teleported them to safety. That was possible in 1943 right?
    4. Don’t declare war on the US. Let them have a war against you instead, but you won’t ever fire back. Another war winner.
    5. Inventing ballistic and guided missiles is great and all, but don’t you think you could have done that 3 years ago? I mean, just DO IT.

    • Replies: @Rich
  76. @Rich

    Rich, not so fast.

    1. Hitler had to invade on 9/1/1939. Stalin’s army was poised to attack first, with the Romanian oil fields dead in their sights. Hitler knew he’d be cooked without fuel for his tanks. Hitler decided on Barbarossa and to strike first.

    2. Oh yes, the Great Dunkirk Escape. Hogwash. 330,000 British troops trapped against the sea. Some say German troops were exhausted. I don’t. It was fig leaf to the Crown. Hitler wanted an alliance with England to rule Europe. A British Massacre at Dunkirk wasn’t what he wanted. The British Crown was (and still is) thoroughly German. Kaiser Wilhelm was at his grandmother’s death bed – Queen Victoria! Of course, George V, Kaiser Wilhelm, and Tsar Nicolas II of Russia were not only cousins, they were FIRST cousins. It was all the same blood family. Hitler was well aware.

    3. Hitler’s supply lines were devastated by Stalingrad’s brutal winter of 1943. If it had been a mild winter, Hitler would have been in Moscow.

    4. I agree with you on this. Hitler underestimated US manufacturing capability. Wehrmacht infantry were unmatched in quality. But the vast US manufacturing overwhelmed them. Of course, throwing 30 million Russian peasants at a army will exhaust them as well.

    5. The V2 program wasn’t a deciding factor. Hitler’s inability to delegate was a bigger cause. Also the Prussian officers weren’t his biggest fans. He wasn’t one of them. He was an Austrian painter.
    Now Hitler was known for his courage in WWI and did win the Iron Cross, a medal he wore on his uniform throughout WWII.

    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Rich
    , @EugeneGur
  77. AKAHorace says:

    There is a lot that I agree with in Sakers analysis although he does overstate things. Russia could be an ally of the west as unlike China it does not have global ambitions. It also shares problems of Islamic terrorism and in the long term may become a target of Chinese Imperialism. If not fully democratic it is a lot more open than most countries. The way relations were miss managed by Clinton and the Bushes is a tragedy.

    But, could Saker (and a lot of others here) stop analysing everything through stories of the second war ? A lot has changed in 75 years, it is not useful or informative and induces paranoia to keep harping on about what happened at Stalingrad or Finland.

    • Replies: @aleksander
  78. A123 says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    You are failing to know your history. Since when has Poland ever acted in its own best interests?

    OK. This is a hitch.

    How about, Putin and Orban finalize the deal between Russia and Hungary. Poland then joins the deal after the sticky bits are worked out.

    The Poles cannot screw that up…. Can they?

    PEACE 😇

  79. anaccount says:

    Love this article but feeling more disappointed by Russia by the day. Most of the world’s GDP is sitting right next door, ‘guarded’ by populations that have been socially engineered into accepting the most exotic of invaders.

    Europe has never been more ripe for an EASY invasion but the proud bear doesn’t even stir up trouble. What a pity.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  80. @saggy

    It is weird and the villains seem to change constantly and “strangely enough” seem to change in a way that corresponds to the kind of politics the U.S. elite are presently involved in. Notice, no villains coming across the porous U.S. borders for now. No villains at present arriving from China and certainly no villains in D.C.or the media LOL

  81. @saggy

    Russians have been the villains in many of the shows we’ve watched.

    It’s called propaganda. Propaganda by definition is a pack of lies. E.g., no propaganda ever promoted the times table, for the simple reason that it’s true.

  82. Agent76 says:

    DECEMBER 25, 2015 NATO: SEEKING RUSSIA’S DESTRUCTION SINCE 1949

    In 1990, after the fall of the Berlin Wall, U.S. president George H. W. Bush through his secretary of state James Baker promised Soviet premier Mikhail Gorbachev that in exchange for Soviet cooperation on German reunification, the Cold War era NATO alliance would not expand “one inch” eastwards.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/25/nato-seeking-russias-destruction-since-1949/

    Nov 29, 2016 The Map That Shows Why Russia Fears War With USA

  83. @anaccount

    Europe has never been more ripe for an EASY invasion but the proud bear doesn’t even stir up trouble.

    Why would Putin (or any Russian leader, for that matter) want to take over Europe? Russia has enough headaches as it is, so why would it want to get more? Putin follows a smart policy dictum: when you see your enemy committing suicide, do not interfere. Besides, taking over Europe now would be like fleecing a pig: lots of squeals, very little wool.

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
    • LOL: Notsofast
    • Replies: @glib
  84. @Haxo Angmark

    lost because the C-in-C (Hitler) was incompetent.

    Yeah, that’s the mantra. He was far from perfect, but incompetent?
    It has been known for more than 20 years that the dismissed German claims of a massive Soviet build up, which led to Operation Barbarosa, were true. It has been known for almost 70 years, that the the Soviets had agents in the highest levels of the NSDAP, just as they had in the Roosevelt administration and in the UK. The UK had its own “people” at high levels, as admitted by Churchill before the war. It has been known, since the war itself, that Canaris provided false intelligence, and many officers, particularly on the Russian Front, refused to follow Hitler’s orders, or freelanced on those orders. There were endless plots against Hitler, which included sending anti-tank shells to the Balkans where they were not needed, and sending regular shells to the Russian front, where they were.

    All leaders make bad decisions. Churchill is lionized (forget Galipoli) his “rescuing” the troops at Dunkirk was leadership, when in reality, the Germans could have annihilated all of them, and the rescuers as well. Perhaps, in some minds that is incompetence, instead of the thoughts of a man who had actually seen the horrors of war and the unnecessary death it caused.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Haxo Angmark
  85. @Alfa158

    Agree completely. These are imbeciles, very likely getting huge kick-backs and graft to play along with this idiotic narrative. The Russians are nobody to toy or trifle with. Let’s hope no one makes any errors that lead to a real conflagration, as Russia (I believe) means what she says, when Putin expressed in 2018: “Why would we want a world without Russia?”

  86. Cyrano says:
    @Paul Greenwood

    Churchill wasn’t alone in entertaining this brilliant idea. Apparently the “genius” general Patton was onboard too. Perhaps he was encouraged by the “successes” of the US army in “liberating” Europe.

    He was convinced that the US army could have marched on Moscow. It’s funny that both Churchill and Patton envisioned the march on Moscow with the help from the defeated Germans.

    Or maybe it was the other way around – they were supposed to be the little helpers to the defeated Germans. Listen to this brilliant western “logic”. They thought that since the Germans came the closest to defeating Russia – they are the most likely to succeed in it if given another chance.

    I have even better logic, since the Germans were defeated once, why should be a problem defeating them again, even with British and American help. Maybe that’s why Patton was assassinated, because he was incapable of coherent thought and was a danger to peace.

  87. anon[225] • Disclaimer says:

    New Delhi on Friday pushed back against the Russian foreign minister’s stand that the West’s Indo-Pacific policies were aimed at enmeshing India in “anti-China games”, saying the country has an independent foreign policy based on its national interests. New Delhi doesn’t perceive the Indo-Pacific as an exclusive club directed against any country, external affairs ministry spokesperson Anurag Srivastava said. https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/independent-ties-with-countries-india-pushes-back-against-russian-minister-s-comments/story-bseCNBUpPiNP29AUPgdRNP.html

    To rob the country with both hands ,India requires the dog stay silent let alone cause any mischief . This explains India embracing the American whims and conspiracies as its own .But in the process ,kicking Russia right in the middle of the two eyes. Russia which tries in vain to be accepted by USA, tries same logic with India . But neither India nor USA is interested in what is normal or logical or honest. India wrecks havoc domestically US globally . Same machine guns powders and knives they use . America did not bark in New Delhi as has been for Honkong and Abidjan and Aleppo .

    Russia needs a dictatorship and get rid of the pacifist, integrist, Atlanticsist and India lovers .

  88. @Curmudgeon

    a man who had actually seen the horrors of war and the unnecessary death it caused.

    Sorry, this does not jibe with mass murder committed on the Eastern front and on the occupied parts of the USSR. Next “extenuating circumstance”, please.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  89. https://www.bitchute.com/video/2bVmn8MEBrc/

    Well, why not? Canada has no sovereignty. It allows Jewish globalists to suppress Free Speech and jail dissidents. It conceded to the globalist transformation of immigration laws, and as a result, Canada went from a 97% white nation to one that is destined to be white-minority in years to come. When white Canadians ceded their power to the globalists,, they were bound to lose everything. So, it’s too late to complain about Chinese making inroads into Canada, which surrendered to evil globalism long ago. Once a nation gives up its sovereignty to globalism, the whole world will swoop down like vultures. And the ruling elites of the nation will not defend it but sell it to the highest bidder. A nation must use capitalism. Unfettered capitalism turns everything into a commodity to the top bidder.

    Jewish way is very funny. Jews tell Americans, Canadians, and Europeans to give up their nationalism and sovereignty and open to the entire world. At the same time, Jews say, “Look, those ENEMY nations pose a threat to your nations.” The formula seems to be Lose Your Nationalism to Jewish Globalists but Pump Up the Nationalism Against Any Nation Disliked by Jews.

    With Russia, there is pure Jewish hatred. With China, it’s a bit more complicated. On the one hand, Jews have been working closely with Chinese to enrich themselves and to undermine white majority power in Western Nations. At the same time, Jews encourage anti-Chinese rhetoric to deflect attention from their own power that really rules the West.

    • Agree: Druid55, Curmudgeon
    • Replies: @anonymous
  90. @AnonFromTN

    Now, what do we call people who don’t learn even from their own mistakes?

    Washington elites.

    • LOL: Richard B
    • Replies: @Richard B
  91. @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    If ever there is an American Sherlock Holmes, his Moriarty will no doubt be a reporter for the Washington Post.

    • Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
  92. repsinec says:
    @Voltarde

    I’m afraid I don’t agree with your first reason for being wary of China: Russia is already a vassal-state, and Putin is nothing more than a tin-pot dictator who plays “hard man” whilst taking orders from the R0th5childs – via the Central Bank of Russia. On a more general note, the US doesn’t even need to invade Russia to bring it to it’s knees: since Obama declared the country “non-grata” for recovering Crimea in 2015 the Russian economy has cratered. Perhaps the US isn’t good at winning kinetic wars, but damn are they good at winning economic ones and, as one US president aptly put it, “It’s the economy, stupid”.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Richard B
  93. Neither Europe nor NATO nor the US will be invading Russia.

    The End.

    FTFY

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  94. There are number of reasons that Nato and hence the cold war has been kept alive more than 30 years after the Warsaw Pact agreement has ceased to exist, but the main one is through the pressure of armament makers. Having a cold war is very good for a country’s armament industry, (which incidentally is the most profitable in the world next to the pharmaceutical industry). Having “enemies” is very profitable business and gives justification for the keeping of large standing armies, airforces and navies. It keeps millions of people in the west employed, and provides cushy jobs for politicians who if they get thrown out of office get nice appointments to the boards of large armaments and defence companies.

  95. NATO and the UN and the ZUS and the EU will get their collective ass kicked if they mess with the bear aka Russia.

  96. Alfred says:
    @Marshall Lentini

    … as Siberia turns more into a swamp, they’ll surely start growing cash crops to feed their neighbors to the south.

    So many people seem to have bought into the “Global Warming” nonsense. It was the scam preceding the Scamdemic – organised by the same people.

    Fauci: “We have entered the Pandemic Era” because of Climate Change

    The rise in global temperature is around 1.5C per century. If this continues, how many centuries will it be before they start growing crops in Siberia? 1,000 years?

    But what if the climate starts cooling down – because of a big volcano in Indonesia blows its top?

    What makes you think that you can grow a crop such as wheat in a “swamp” with no soil?

  97. Z-man says:
    @A123

    …this is where you lost me. You had me going for a while.

  98. This is the thinking in the DC …

    Who cares what will become of Europe, much less what it thinks.

    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
  99. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    The Biden lineup of proposed appointees look to be even bigger Russia antagonists than at present. Should they get in it looks like tensions and rhetoric will ratchet up. These idiots will end up engineering a totally unnecessary catastrophe for us. Then what?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  100. Z-man says:
    @Oikeamielinen

    LOL!!!
    That bureaucratic cuck Stoltenberg has that permanent ‘deer in the headlights’ look.
    Trump Putin Axis DA!!
    Unfortunately sleepy, feeble minded Joe is going to be in charge…for a few weeks anyway. ROFL!

  101. blaqua says:

    Nuclear deterrence has prevented and will prevent a true war between NATO and Russia. The gigantic nuclear arsenal of both powers makes sure that any armed conflict will be either a (mostly forgettable) skirmish or in the context of a proxy war, usually a long one. Ukraine can readily confirm the importance of possessing weapons of that kind. In 1994 it delivered its destroyed bombs to Russia and some years later it was invaded by the Great Bear itself and lost territories. Trust no one. Haha

    The EU is not bold or crazy enough to use its military against the strong Russian forces. Just consider how it acted yesterday. It cowered once again before the demonic Turkey, a country that violates every day Greece’s airspace and water territory, has transformed the most famous Christian church into a mosque, has bought S400 from the (supposedly very dangerous) Great Bear, occupies illegally Cyprus’ northern part, funds the creation of mosques in Europe, blackmails the latter over the immigration issue, oppresses the big Kurdish minority in Turkey, jails journalists and dissidents in general, employs jihadists against Armenians, Syrians and others, whose President insults the President of a EU Member State and supports boycott of French products after murder of Christians by Muslims etc. No sanctions imposed, just petty words of warning. And yet the Union was very eager to immediately sanction the non-aggressive Belarus. All is a matter of bullying, economics and trade interests, not of democratic values. Double standard.

  102. @repsinec

    since Obama declared the country “non-grata” for recovering Crimea in 2015 the Russian economy has cratered.

    Sorry, stats don’t support your claim, even stats generated by globohomo. E.g., see https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp
    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?locations=RU https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/russia-gdp/

    • Agree: Notsofast, Alfred, Vojkan
  103. @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    Neither Europe nor NATO nor the US will be invading Russia.

    You mean, Empire and its sidekicks are wiser than Napoleon and Hitler?

  104. @anonymous

    These idiots will end up engineering a totally unnecessary catastrophe for us. Then what?

    Then the tribes living in Papua, Africa, and Amazonia will rebuild the civilization in a few thousand years. For >5 billion years old Earth it’s the blink of an eye.

    • Replies: @aleksander
    , @Richard B
  105. @AKAHorace

    Serb and Bosniaks remember events that occurred 1000 years ago like they were yesterday.

    Do you think the Armenians need to “move on” from their Turkish genocide? Or is history just repeating itself.

    WWII is a blink of an eye in terms of time. It was a few years ago. WWI and WWII color every decision made today. Most obviously, the best men, who would have repopulated Europe, were killed.

    Most importantly, the Great War and WWII have left Europe spiritually exhausted. And yet they resist more than armchair Americans. At least Europeans have some antiquity still in their view to remember what once was. We have nothing in the U.S. to remind us of what we’ve lost.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
    , @AKAHorace
  106. @AnonFromTN

    I agree. God started the Catholic Church with 12 men 2000 years ago. If he has to do it again, and he may very well have to, no big deal. A Marxist, globalist, homosexual Pope notwithstanding.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  107. How many thousands of troops could NATO lose before calling it quits in a hot war?

  108. Miro23 says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Neither Europe nor NATO nor the US will be invading Russia.

    You mean, Empire and its sidekicks are wiser than Napoleon and Hitler?

    They probably aren’t, but I would guess that China is first in line because 1) it’s more of an economic threat than Russia 2) it’s militarily weaker than Russia. Not an invasion, just nuclear destruction.

  109. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:

    Too bad the chosenites murdered Patton. He could have taken out the Soviets, ran for president, and Russia would be an Alaskan county now.

    • Agree: Fallingwater
    • LOL: Alfred
  110. Ignat says:
    @Mile

    The top picture is more suggestive of the situation in which the Serbs found themselves during the breakup of Yugoslavia i.e. absolutely hopeless and completely surrounded by the rabid dogs. The dog with the dagger in his paw (the dagger and the paw are not visible) right behind the bear’s back represent “brotherly” Russia.

    • Thanks: Fallingwater
  111. Druid55 says:
    @A123

    Your hero Maimonedes and most of your rabbis say its ok to have sec with 3 yo biys or girls. Also, u and your rabbis say christ is boiking in shit in hell. You and your talmouthists pos are very goo at projection! Accuse everyone of doing what tou advocate! Like i said before, eff off to your dirty talmudist nirvana! Moron!

    • Replies: @Anon
  112. Yo Saker!

    A question. What kind of message is Russia sending the Muslims? Consider Jerusalem Post article, below.

    https://www.jpost.com/opinion/russians-and-jews-the-odd-couple-569238

    • Replies: @Anon
  113. @Mulegino1

    Hitler had strategic victory on his plate (at least) 3X and fumbled it away every time:

    1. Dunkirk: 48 hour halt order enabled the British/French troops to establish a perimeter defense that in turn allowed 10 Brit divisions to escape annihilation/capture. With that kind of demoralizing victory, Hitler could have dictated terms to the English: ditch Churchill and his warmonger clique, or we will do it for you.

    2. Eastern Front, just east of Smolensk, early August 1941: in accordance with a prior “no Moscow” decision announced to his Chief-of-Staff Halder in April, Hitler halts advance of Army Group Center toward Moscow when the road was wide open. Most of AGC is then diverted south into the Ukraine to link up with Army Group South and fight and win a huge but meaningless encirclement battle against mostly Ukrainian troops. By the time he gets AGC back together in early September, realizes his mistake and renews the attack toward Moscow it is – just – too late. By December 2nd German troops have fought their way to w/in sight of the Kremlin, but an arctic winter freezes them in place and then a massive Soviet counter-attack – using the last available tranch of west-of-the-Urals troops – throws them back 150 miles.

    3. Med/N. Africa/Middle East, March 1942: Japan offers to extend its planned Indian Ocean carrier raid as far as to seize Madagascar (then under Vichy control and available for the taking)…doing so would have cut the last remaining Allied convoy route to the Middle East. All Hitler would have needed to do then was seize Malta to secure the Afrika Korps trans-Med supply lines – one German para regiment could have done it in a day or two of hard fighting – and then given Rommel a real force instead of the shoestring pittance he did so much with anyway; at the time Hitler had 25 divisions in France, 10 in Norway, all doing precisely nothing. Goodby Cairo, goodbye Suez Canal, goodbye oil-fields. Turkey then comes into the war against the Russians, most of the Middle East erupts in a pro-Axis uprising, and, a couple months later, with Japanese troops on one border and Italo-German on another, India also erupts: the Brit Empire collapses in 1942 instead of 1947.

    but Hitler, miffed at the Japanese refusal to come in against Russia via his declaration on America (11 December, 1941), tells the Japs to sail away and “just deal with the Americans”. Incidentally, realizing they had just dodged a lethal strategic bullet, the Brits improvised a scratch force of Empire troops and seized Madagascar from the French in early May.

    yes, Hitler was a great political leader and visionary…but as a warlord, catastrophic. He could have taken out the Brits in 1940, and failed; the Russians in 1941, and failed; the Brits again in early ’42, and failed again. Hitler’s failures are what enabled the “overwhelming allied coalition”. How to explain failures #1 & 3 in more depth? Hitler, like the Kaiser, was fundamentally an anglophile. Both could not understand why, despite racial and historical consanguinity, the Brits kept backstabbing Germany. In a word: (((Rothschild))), but Adolf apparently never figured this out.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
    • Replies: @HeebHunter
  114. @Curmudgeon

    for the most part, see my reply #113 to mulegino1.

    as for the rest, Hitler allowed the Brit Army to escape @ Dunkirk, via the Halt Order, not because he cared one whit about the “horrors of war”, but because he still believed he could make peace with England. More fool he: Churchill was a Rothschild pawn.

    Hitler got what he deserved: the bunker, 1945. Germany did not. Germany fought herself into annihilation for a pied piper. Churchill? Lionized? only by Court Historians, warmongering Zion-stooge neo-cons, and writers of coffee-table books.

  115. Anon[391] • Disclaimer says:
    @Druid55

    Projection

    Focus on 700 AD don’t think of 1900 or 2000

    Nazism and Zionism are two mutual projections of each other .

    Discussing your way hurts because it reminds of the father , the one at home and of rabbi the one who tells the father it’s ok to have sex and kill if the child doesn’t belong to the tribe .

  116. Anon[391] • Disclaimer says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    “ With the coming of the State of Israel in 1948, tens of thousands of Russian Jews wanted to fight for the new Jewish state but Stalin refused to let more than a single family go to Israel. This was a serious problem for the new State of Israel, with only 650,000 Jews, and very few with military experience. By contrast, the Russian Jews had extensive military experience.”

    JPOST is lying . Combined Arab forces numbered, 30,000 most of them drawn from the peasantry class with no past training . 5000 thousands were British trained Jordanian soldiers

    Israel had anywhere from 80,000 to 140,000
    Military men and women drawn from organized terrorist gangs , WW2 veterans , British Jewish league – s section that was built from WW1

    Arms cane from Eastern Europe , from USA violating bans , helicopter and planes arrived routed through Central American countries .

    2006 , Bush jr pardoned one trafficker .

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  117. @Druid55

    The Nation had a piece in 1998 called “The Harvard Boys do Russia”
    https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/harvard-boys-do-russia/

    It basically sums it up fairly well.

    The Harvard boys, of course, are now doing America.

  118. I think there still a lingering affection in the US for Halford MacKinder’s World Island theory and the dream of controlling via those Lands just west of the Urals.
    It figured big in Brzezinski and Kissinger’s fantasies.

    The Chinese of course, seem to be stitching it up nicely with commerce rather than conquest.

  119. Napoleon went to Moscow, Russia went to Paris.

    Hitler went to Moscow, Russia went to Berlin.

    I think there’s a lesson in there somewhere….

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski, AnonFromTN
  120. @Anon

    Thanks, # 391.

    Am still wondering what The Saker thinks, but I reckon he won’t offer comment.

  121. anon[172] • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    Russian Missile Tech

    Got blown to smitherines by cheap drones made in Turkey, of all places. Soon afterwards RT had a military porn piece on the “new anti-drone Tank” from Russia.

    Also interesting that wannabe powers (France, China) are “wasting” their money building aircract carriers.

    https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2020/12/08/macron-kicks-off-french-race-to-build-a-new-nuclear-powered-aircraft-carrier/

    https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2020/04/17/chinas_aircraft_carriers_bark_or_bite_115213.html

    Just one word to contemplate: “Logistics”

    Btw, Saker’s description of the forces along the borders in question makes it clear that it is the Russians that have assembled an invading army.

    • Replies: @Notsofast
  122. glib says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Oh, I agree. Europe to Russia is fruits and vegetables. It is not even Parmesan anymore, as Parmesan is now produced in Russia (Parmigiano Russiano?). Granted it will take a bit longer for tooling machines of German quality to be produced in Eurasia, but consider that the current crisis (the house arrest of the entire Western population, waiting for the PTB to be ready to mass sterilize the population) was dictated by peak oil in 2018.

    That produced the repo crisis of 2019, and that in turn produced the plandemic. With shale production dropping precipitously, the descent from the global Hubbert peak will be fast. Russia has to keep sufficient hydrocarbons for itself, because peak oil will ultimately affect it too. not only they should ignore the europeans, over time they should build a wall to keep them out, severe all commercial ties, and go its own way. hope you kept a dacha back home, anon.

  123. @Alfred

    To get technical, some of the finest farmland was once swamp or lake bottom. The flat farmland that extends from Lake Winnipeg down into Fargo North Dakota was once prehistoric Lake Agassiz is some of the finest farm land in North America only limted by the relatively short growing season.

    • Thanks: Alfred
  124. @Montefrío

    At the moment, the one thing we got going for us is the reserve status 0f the dollar. We are certainly abusing it like never before. In a Democratic nation such as ours, there is but one path forward in times like this. We will print and we will print big. While we are printing, the stock market will stay up and everyone will muddle along. In ten or fifteen years, if China can get its digital currency to circulate, we will start to lose this status. This is on top of the trend to fragment into regional globalization where three entities will emerge. The European Fortress, the North American pact and the Asia Pacific block. These trends will reduce the dollar usage and accelerate the loss of the reserve currency status for the dollar.

    While our military is still formidable, we are seeing some big cracks. With the exception of the turbo fan engine, nuclear subs and nuclear carriers, the Chinese now have weapon systems that are at or near state of the art. They do not yet have the quantity that we do. The scary thing is, they are pumping out more warships with a small fraction of our defense budget. Their Type 55 destroyers are much more capable then anything we have and cost about half of the Arleigh Burke. They can pump them out six or eight per year. Once they catch up on these deficient area (I estimate in about ten years), with a nominal GDP equal or bigger than ours, we will lose the military race with them. Without our military enforcing obedience, we will start to lose control of different regions of the world.

  125. Richard B says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    Washington elites.

    Exactly!

    A ship of fools with no skin in the game.

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
  126. @AnonFromTN

    lol

    Even Saker knows: not the US, not the EU, not NATO, will be invading Russia.

    The whole thing is a StarWars fanboys indulgence to justify a game of military Pokemon card-compare.

    It’s embarrassing and pitiable.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  127. Richard B says:
    @repsinec

    Perhaps the US isn’t good at winning kinetic wars, but damn are they good at winning economic ones

    A real world power would have to do both.

    There’s an old saying in Spanish that goes, “Nosotros dos no hacemos uno.” Translation, The two of us together don’t make one. That’s the US and Russia.

    But, out of the two, the “US” (gotta put in quotes for reasons that should be perfectly obvious) is worse off. Because the second it goes beyond talk and truly works to destroy Russia it will wish it had a military that could do that job. But it doesn’t. And The Saker’s article touches on why that is indeed the case.

    “It’s the economy, stupid”.

    Where have you been? A lot has changed since that line was first uttered. So much so, that it would be more accurate to say,

    It’s not just the economy, stupid!”

  128. anonimo11 says:
    @AnonFromTN

    I believe that they are potentially wiser than Napoleon. Suppose that a wayward Kinzhal strikes the bedroom of a EU high level person one unlucky night next year. Would you not agree that they would suddenly become all very wise?

  129. Richard B says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Then the tribes living in Papua, Africa, and Amazonia will rebuild the civilization in a few thousand years.

    The same tribes that never got around to the wheel or a written language are going to rebuild civilization?

    How could they rebuild what they couldn’t build in the first place?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Svevlad
  130. @Paul Greenwood

    There is no such thing as East of Elbe. There is North of Elbe and South of Elbe.
    (I do guess that you meant North of Elbe.)

  131. @Richard B

    The same tribes that never got around to the wheel or a written language are going to rebuild civilization?

    15 thousand years ago nobody invented the wheel or a written language. Then somebody did.

  132. Rich says:
    @Alexandros

    1. How were the Germans at the mercy of their enemies before invading Poland? Was Danzig really that important to German security in your view? Was allowing the Soviets to advance unobstructed through half of Poland not more of a threat?
    2. Hitler didn’t listen to his generals, who wanted to attack the British, he listened to Goring who was seeking glory for the Luftwaffe.
    3. Field Marshal Paulus advised Hitler that his Army should pull out of Stalingrad several times during the disastrous battle. Would listening to the general actually on the battlefield not have been a good idea?
    4. There was a strong anti-war movement in the US at the start of WW2. Had Hitler left the Americans to the war in the Pacific, he might have been able to better secure his Western front.
    5. It was the rocket scientists in Germany who pleaded with Here Hitler to give them more funding, not me. Go argue with the ghost of von Braun.

    Read a few history books and get back to me.

  133. @Haxo Angmark

    I agree that the “huwhite nationalism” bullshit clouded Hitler’s judgement and enabled many baffling mistakes. He forgot that no race serves the kikes as faithfully as the anglos.

  134. By-tor says:
    @Cyrano

    Redzikowo, POL and Deveselu, ROM are active US Aegis Mk. 41 launcher installations. Rota, SPA is a control node. The Mk. 41 launchers are offensive in nature and can be used to launch nuclear warhead capable cruise missiles.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  135. Wyatt says:
    @PsychelonB

    How would it have been a good thing (from an Aryan racialist pov)

    Now exactly where did I frame my contention with an “aryan racialist” point of view?

  136. Cyrano says:
    @By-tor

    Uuuu, I am sure the Russians are shaking in their boots. Do you know why the Cuban missile crisis happened? When was it – in 1962?

    The Cuban missile crisis happened because at that time there were no ICBM’s. About 10 years latter or so, the ICBM’s arrived and Cuba became obsolete. The morons who allow on their territory short and medium range rocket launchers to be installed have a death wish.

    They only make it absolutely certain that they will be wiped of the face of the earth if they let their territory to be used for hostile actions against Russia. They can surround Russia with a hundred Cubas today, that ship has sailed long time ago.

    Russia has enough ICBM’s to deal with whomever launches any kind of missiles from anywhere in the world against them. And plus they have enough short and medium range missiles to deal with the Eastern European morons too, unless, unless…

    Oh my God, this is pure genius, they are planning to trick the Russians into believing that the missiles launched against them from Romania and Poland really belong to Romania and Poland, and the Russians will never guess that those missiles are actually American, so they will have no legal ground to retaliate against US.

    And even if they retaliate against the Americans – they can take them to court, and we all know that Americans have the best lawyers in the world and they will win the case. I know it, because I’ve seen enough of their crappy Hollywood movies.

    • Replies: @By-tor
  137. antibeast says:
    @Sean

    Japan is a much better fit for an alliance with Russia, and exploitation of the resources of Siberia with the aid of technology from Japan could make it a much more important country.

    Japan has an unresolved territorial dispute with Russia which has been occupying Kuril Islands since the end of WWII. After the USA imposed sanctions on Russia, Japan under Abe has been investing heavily in Vladivostok as way to buy Putin’s goodwill in resolving its territorial dispute with Russia which did not sign a peace treaty with Japan unlike China.

    The numerous battlefield nuclear weapons that Russia has retained are intended to deter China.

    Nonsense. Those tactical nukes are intended to deter NATO. That’s why Reagan and Gorbachev signed the INF treaty, banning intermediate nuclear forces as a way to prevent nuclear war in Europe.

    “The vulnerability of the Russian far east to Chinese attack from Manchuria makes the situation very different to operating into Siberia. For the Chinese an advance overland to the Sea Of Okhotsk in order to cut off the region, followed by the capture of Vladivostok might appear a tempting ‘small war’.”

    War and the New Disorder in the 21st Century by Jeremy Black.

    That’s what I’d call psychotic delusions of the US Deep State which you repeat verbatim here. But history says otherwise as the Russian Far East — which includes the Sakhalin and Kuril Islands — has served as a ‘buffer’ between Japan and China, and saw four wars transpire there between Japan and Russia, namely: Russo-Japanese War of 1904-05, Japanese Siberian intervention of 1918-1922, the Soviet-Japanese War of 1932-39 (Battles of Khalkhin Gol) and the Soviet-Japanese War of 1945.

    The Japanese are keenly aware of this historical fact and the geopolitical reality of the Russian Far East. Today, the Russian military maintains a naval base in Vladivostok which sits at the mouth of the Sea of Japan as well as an army base in the Kuril Islands which sits right next to Hokkaido. Contrary to the psychotic delusions of the US Deep State, Russia — not China — pose the biggest military threat to Japan, precisely due to its geophysical proximity as well as its territorial dispute with Japan. Russia also views the US military presence in Japan as the greatest military threat to its Eastern flank in the same way that NATO pose the greatest military threat to its Western flank.

    The US Deep State has to constantly sell the ‘China Threat’ to the US public in order to justify continued US military spending on the defense of Japan against ‘Communist China’. But the Japanese view things differently as they’re keen on doing business with ‘Communist China’.

    • Agree: Alfred
  138. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    It seems that there’s a connection between the government and the entertainment industry which is more than casual. They always prepare the public for the next conflict by demonizing the targeted group. The entire media is revealed to be a giant propaganda apparatus that’s in complete coordination with one another. They’ll sell the next war as they’ve always sold every other one.

    • Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
  139. Vojkan says:
    @aleksander

    There were no such things as Bosniaks a thousand years ago.

  140. Vojkan says:
    @aleksander

    God didn’t start the Catholic Church. God sent men his word. Whatever men did with it is on men, not God.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  141. Noddy says:
    @Wyatt

    I totally agree with your opinion of both the recent history and article. The US wasted a golden opportunity to establish a good relationship with russia due to its own domestic inability to make a rational decision and instead choose the option of kicking a man when they are down. In contrast to the German or Japan, russia would not submit to the hegemon and hence it has been built into the global boogeyman providing justification of literally billions of dollars.
    Unfortunately, this is creating an enemy that does not need to exist who has the capacity to strike the US very severely. The US is also at the same time destroying its own economy, allowing infrastructure to decay, lowering the living standards of the middle class, causing the eventual collapse of the US dollar via removal of the reserve status.
    Russia, despite a horrific 100 years and sustained attacks has managed to build a foundation for a bright future. The people’s standard of living is improving, it’s economy is based on production and has accumulated substantial reserves of gold etc.
    I have lived in both places and don’t see any reason for the people to be at odds, both countries have similar sizes in population and land and culturally they are more comparable than different.
    What causes the antipathy? Could it be due to ancient schism of the latin vs orthodox church, implacable hatred of old cold warriors, domestic ethnic groups holding grudges. Or is it just a justification for militay spending that aces the war on drugs,terror etc who knows but it is really sending us in a direction that no sane person would advocate

  142. Svevlad says:
    @Richard B

    How did anyone?

    Implication uf unchangeability. Another symptom of mandatory western cringe disorder, which 100% of them have. Sad.

  143. Rich says:
    @aleksander

    5. Hitler didn’t understand how valuable the rocket program was, early on he considered it too expensive and not worth the efort. Many believe that had he gone all in on the rocket program the war would have ended differently.
    4. Good.
    3. It’s very possible that if it had been a mild winter the Germans would have been hot tubbing in Moscow. Of course, if my aunt had a moustache she’d be my uncle…
    2. The Fuhrer may have wished for, hoped, dreamt about an alliance with the Brits, but in the end they paid his magnanimity back with Dresden. Big mistake.
    1.Barbarosa may indeed have been necesary, some historians agree that Stalin was about to invade, but the invasion of Poland after dividing the country with the Soviets probably wasn’t necessary at the time and the Germans could have spent more time building their military as they were advised at the time by Mr Mussolini.

    I agree that Corporal Hitler must have been a brave and competent soldier to have won the Iron Cross in the First World War. I think he made too many mistakes as the Commander of the German military in the Second World War to be considered anything less than incompetent.

  144. Hillbob says:

    To those who argue that the Soviet Union was about to Germany , have they heard Field Marshal’s Paulus testimony at Nuremburg? Then again, facts mean nothing to some….

  145. Russia recently allowed an ancient Christian land to be overrun by Turks. It is Russia that has betrayed Europe.

    • Agree: blaqua
    • Replies: @Hillbob
    , @AnonFromTN
    , @Vojkan
  146. EugeneGur says:
    @aleksander

    Hitler had to invade on 9/1/1939. Stalin’s army was poised to attack first,

    You don’t ever tire of repeating this idiocy, do you? Stalin’d army was NOT poised to attack first.

    Sure, this is an entirely logical construct – in the warped Western mind. First, Hitlers absorbs Austria – because Stalin’s army was poised to attack first. Then Hitler grabs Czechoslovakia – because Stalin’s army was poised to attack first. Then Hitler invades Poland, bombs the Grate Britain, invades France, Belgium, and more – because Stalin’s army was poised to attack first. Finally, he makes plans to eliminate the entire nation, assembles a 5 million army at the separation line, bombs the Soviet cities at 4 in the morning – to kill as many civilians as possible – and invades, and all that, yes you guessed it: because Stalin’s army was poised to attack first!

    Hitler’s supply lines were devastated by Stalingrad’s brutal winter of 1943. If it had been a mild winter, Hitler would have been in Moscow.

    In 1943, Hitler was nowhere near Moscow. It it had been a mild winter, which the Russian winters hardly ever were in those times, his army would’ve been crushed earlier. Contrary to popular belief, the Russians aren’t impervious to cold. Besides, the Russians tanks could not move in the snow 3 feet deep – the German could.

    • Thanks: annamaria
    • Troll: L.K
  147. Hillbob says:
    @Agathoklis

    You are an idiot. How about those lofty “christian” nations in Europe and North America who have been united in their aim to destroy Russia?

  148. @AnonFromTN

    this does not jibe with mass murder committed on the Eastern front and on the occupied parts of the USSR

    Well, the alleged mass murder, in any event. Stalin had his own troops dressed as Germans to kill civilians in some areas. The Einsatzgruppen were tasked with finding non uniformed combatants, who were considered spies under the Peace of Westphalia, as were those aiding and abetting the non-uniformed combatants. These “mass killings” were only mass killings, when at Nuremberg, they were declared so, ex post facto.
    If you think mass killings didn’t happen in the Western front by the allies, you are mistaken. More French people died at the hands of the allies while being “liberated” than in all of the years of German occupation. Most of it from carpet bombing. A friend’s alcoholic father-in-law went through Italy. When drunk, he would start with the war stories. He claimed German POWs were routinely shot after interrogation while “trying to escape”. He had no problem telling us that after liberating towns and villages, the “liberated” they women. The well documented mass rape and murder of German women, and the slaughter of other German civilians by the Soviets is accepted as ok.
    That does not mean that the Germans did not commit atrocities. All involved in WWII committed atrocities. As with the alleged numbers killed post Bolshevik revolution or the magic 6 million, the numbers are not verifiable.

    • Replies: @Włodzimierz
    , @AnonFromTN
  149. @Agathoklis

    Russia recently allowed an ancient Christian land to be overrun by Turks.

    So, the stupidity of Armenians who allowed a sorosoid cuck to become their prime minister has nothing to do with it? Or the fact that those Armenians under the “leadership” of said cuck did everything in their power to spite Russia, whereas Azeri president did everything to keep Russia semi-friendly? Aliev waited for many years for the moment when Russian interference on behalf of Armenia was the least likely, and moved his forces only then. That’s the difference between a leader of a country and pathetic sorosoid nonentity.

    FYI, Greece is making the same mistakes as Armenia. NATO and Soros will help you exactly as much as a prayer helps a patient dying from plague or cholera. The consequences will be similar. Fools like fools, no surprise there.

    • Agree: Jazman, By-tor
    • Replies: @blaqua
  150. Vojkan says:
    @Agathoklis

    That ancient Christian nation named an anti-Russian Soros creature as prime minister two years ago. His party has won 70% of votes in parliamentary elections. Why would Russia rescue people who loathe her? Why doesn’t Pashinian demand from his Western patrons that they come to rescue his people? Sorry to say so because I have a lot of sympathy for Armenians but they really got what they asked for.

  151. blaqua says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Unlike Azerbaijan (NATO sympathizer), Armenia (customer exclusively to the Great Bear) hasn’t bought weapons from any NATO country and hasn’t allowed NATO to perform drills in its territory. Also, unlike Azerbaijan and Turkey, Armenia hasn’t killed Russian troops and allows those troops to have a base in its territory. Armenia is a CSTO member, and has been faithful to Russia, a country that this year betrayed the Armenian people and Christianity. Trust no one!

    Smiling Aliyev doing his stuff with Brussels top dude in July 2018.

    • Replies: @Agathoklis
    , @AnonFromTN
  152. blaqua says:

    Azeris ONCE AGAIN violate the truce, this time TODAY.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/509479-azerbaijani-soldier-killing-armenian-civilian/

    https://www.notimerica.com/politica/noticia-armenia-azerbaiyan-armenia-denuncia-nueva-ofensiva-azeri-nagorno-karabaj-20201212163234.html

    The Azeris, who sell natural gas to Europe and RIVAL (RIVAL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Gas_Corridor) in this field, Russia, the country that preferred not to provide any military help to Armenians in the latest war!

  153. Eagle Eye says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    All this sabre-rattling in Europe is just another way to ratchet up defense spending for their respective MICs. They won’t do diddly-squat against Russia, as they know their collective asses would be dead meat pronto.

    Sir Humphrey Appleby explains the situation:

    • Thanks: Mustapha Mond
  154. @anonymous

    I could not have put it better and totally agree.

  155. anonymous[803] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wyatt

    had Clinton actually bothered to be a decent, intelligent man

    I couldn’t help laugh at this one. You do realize that this is the same Clinton who was a regular on the Lolita Express, right? The same Clinton who got his jollies from engaging in sex acts with underage girls trafficked into Epstein Island? The same Clinton liked having his interns give him head under his desk?

    Don’t forget that he green-lighted the bombing Serbia, as the Saker points out, which went a long way in driving a wedge between Russia and the West. The support for Kosovo also adds salt to the wound.

  156. Roger85 says:

    “In fact, it makes me wonder if the Europeans or, more accurately, the European leaders have gone completely insane. Either that, or maybe they have some kind of death wish?”

    Instead of the apparent insanity of the European leaders, how about a much simpler explanation provided by Paul Craig Roberts:
    “‘My Ph.D. dissertation chairman (Warren Nutter, Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs), who became a high Pentagon official assigned to wind down the Vietnam war, in answer to my question about how Washington gets Europeans to always do what Washington wants replied: “Money, we give them money.” “Foreign aid?” I asked. “No, we give the European political leaders bagful of money. They are for sale. We bought them. They report to us.”

    As a EU citizen following European politics for decades, I have no doubt that Mr. Roberts was right.

  157. @Alfred

    Meant rice, obviously.

    As for anthropogenic climate change – there are all sorts of costs to all of man’s industrial activity. What makes you think those costs don’t go past the troposphere?

    The elite are using climate change as window-dressing. This ought to be obvious as well.

  158. Tdstype2 says:
    @Voltarde

    Never fail to see stupid misinformed people who express their nonsense with perfect authority, especially when it cones to China.

  159. Rahan says:

    The first thing which absolutely amazes me is the fact that the EU leaders are acting as if this was still the 1980s when Europe still mattered and when the European continent was relatively prosperous.

    This is very strict. In the 1990s Europe also still mattered. It was even a bit of a golden age, at least on the surface, all across the West. Sure, entropy had set in, stagnation was already starting to clog the works, but there was still momentum. Let’s say the 1980s were the last decade when new energy was still generated, and the 1990s were a summer child age when this 1980s energy was being spent with abandon.

    Then the autumn set it.

  160. Rahan says:

    there are only two segments of the US military forces which are still meaningfully combat capable: the nuclear triad and the US submarine forces (strategic and attack). Both use mostly old, even outdated, equipment, both waste absolutely fantastic sums of money, but both are still for real.


    I remember when Russia was like this, for what, one human generation? 1990-2005? Something like that. Still is, in the imagination of many.

  161. Rahan says:

    So what brought about such dramatic changes in the Russian force posture?
    The EU/US/NATO war against the Serbian nation.

    There’s an actual objective midair event that can be used as a marker for this shift:

    On 24 March 1999, Primakov was heading to Washington, D.C. for an official visit. Flying over the Atlantic Ocean, he learned that NATO had started to bomb Yugoslavia. Primakov decided to cancel the visit, ordered the plane to turn around over the ocean and returned to Moscow in a manoeuvre popularly dubbed “Primakov’s Loop”

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Yevgeny_Primakov

    When the US decided to bomb a European capital, without UN sanction, this was the signal that the rot had set in and the fairy tale of universal friendliness isn’t going to happen. It turned out that if you aren’t strong you’re either a vassal or prey, or a combination of both.
    Nine months later a young Putin took over.

    • Agree: erzberger
    • Replies: @annamaria
  162. @blaqua

    As usual Russian nationalist bots come scurrying out of their holes. Very predictable. It does not matter whether Pashinyan was a Soros stooge or not. Governments come and go but Nagorno-Karabakh will forever be Turkish from now on thanks to Putin’s betrayal.

  163. Vojkan says:

    It does not matter whether Pashinyan was a Soros stooge or not.

    Yes it does. Aesop’s The Farmer and the Viper. And I’m not Russian.

  164. anonymous[803] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cyrano

    Never mind that if the big one ever comes, the protector can’t protect even itself, let alone someone else. Plus they don’t really have a history of “protecting” anyone. In the 2 big European wars, they showed fashionably late – in 1917 and 1944, when the shows were pretty much over.

    Yeah, they showed up late because they never wanted to get involved to begin with, which was totally reasonable given that the so-called “World Wars” had nothing to do with American interests, not to mention the fact that they were pointless and stupid wars that should have never happened at all and that were destructive to all of Western civilization. Your post seems to reinforce the idea that fighting against Germany was some noble cause or something. Americans had no desire to fight against any European country, and the American people were overwhelmingly against any involvement in “Word War 2.” FDR deceptively assured the American people, in a campaign context, that he would not get involved all the while doing backdoor deals with Churchill and telling the military to get ready. Public polling at the time showed well over 90% of Americans didn’t want to get involved. The US had to cut off Japan’s oil supply and bait the Japanese into attacking Pearl Harbor just so they could “racialize” the conflict for propaganda purposes (since Japanese were not white) and thereby get the Americans to help fight against Germany (the real target from the perspective of the Jews backing Churchill and Roosevelt). In fact, public polling showed that the Americans overwhelmingly didn’t even want to fight the Japanese either, which is why Pearl Harbor was clearly a plot hatched by the Americans well in advance to frame Japan as a wanton aggressor.

    So the Americans’ unwillingness to get involved in the stupid, pointless, and destructive “World Wars” is to their credit. We should commend the American people at the time for being opposed to these wars.

    Where the Americans really did show up late and not at all was in Russia after the Bolshevik civil war. Americans should’ve sent more troops into Russia and wiped the floor with the Bolsheviks. They should’ve backed Hitler in fighting against Stalin and Communism. They should’ve backed in Japan in helping stop the spread of Communism in Asia. That is the real tragedy.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  165. @SeekerofthePresence

    I completely agree and would bet my genuine English made Comoy’s pipe on it!!

  166. blaqua says:
    @Agathoklis

    And the Cyprus issue (like so many other issues from the historical past) shows that sadly territories lost in armed conflicts can only be regained by armed conflicts and not by diplomacy.

  167. Avery says:
    @Agathoklis

    [Agathoklis], I assume from your name that you are of Greek ancestry?
    I am of Armenian ancestry, originally from Armenia (now in US, since before the breakup of SU).

    Sorry, but this was entirely Armenians’ fault:
    – Voters in Armenia elected this uneducated idiot Pashinoğlu as PM.
    (well, they elected the Pashinoğlu Sorosagang party called MyStep, and they appointed him.)
    – People in Armenia sat on their assess while this SorosaTurk hounded*, persecuted, and jailed Artsakh war (1988-1994) heroes who liberated historic Armenian lands from nomad Turk savages. Robert Kocharyan, the late General Manvel Grigoryan (RIP), the hero of Shushi Liberation Seyran Ohanyan, CSTO head at the time Khachaturov (Armenian, RoA citizen),…..
    – too many “tells” that this gang was working for SorosaGlobalists to list here.

    When Turkabijan and Turkey attacked, Pashinoğlu didn’t bother calling Putin for several days to ask for assistance (not troops, but hardware).
    – when it became clear on the 3rd day this was a massive invasion run by Turks and Turkish officers under orders of Erdogan, RoA’s general staff told Pashinoğlu to seek Putin’s help to stop the war. He ignored their request.
    – A couple of weeks or so into the 44 day war, Putin told Pashinoğlu that Aliyev had agreed to a ceasefire. At that time, Turks had only grabbed some areas in the South. Pashinoğlu refused the offer.
    – During the war (I don’t know the timeframe) Kremlin offered Yerevan to close the air over all of Artsakh, to neutralize the air-advantage of Turks/Turkbaijanis. Pashinoğlu ignored the offer.
    – There were plenty of indications of the type of war Turks were planning all the way back in 2016. (the 4-day war). RoA general staff requested dozens of Tor anti-air systems to be purchased. The few Tors in Artsakh and Armenia proved very effective against drones: but there weren’t enough of them by far. Pashinoğlu overruled the general staff and ordered that 4 Su-30s be purchased with the precious few defense dollars RoA had. And – this is hard to believe – the Su-30s came with no missiles.
    – On the 3rd day of the war, Pashinoğlu ordered a stop to the general mobilization and instead started calling for volunteers. The idea apparently was to have unstrained Armenian volunteers get slaughtered by highly trained Turk special forces who were spearheading the attacks.
    – Armenians friendly with Putin (e.g. Robert Kocharyan) arranged for massive military hardware to be sent from Russia as the war disaster unfolded: it sat in Yerevan airport during the war.
    – Again, there are too many to list here: there can now be no doubt that Pashinoğlu and his wife were SorosaGlobalist assets and methodically planned this massive defeat.

    I am still stunned at the stupidity of Armenian people both in RoA and here in Armenian Diaspora who fell hook-line-and-sinker for this fraud and foreign agent**.

    _______________________
    * It is coming to light now that Pashinoğlu was groomed for his role for many, many years. Long before 2018. It was a masterful psy-ops by the NATO Globalists to take over Armenia, and fly her out of Russia’s orbit. Btw, I don’t know how many people know this, but the fake state of Azerbaijan was created by British Imperialists in coordination with Turkey. It is rumoured that the feckless President Armen Sarkissian (a largely ceremonial post) is a BP/MI6 asset.

    ** To be fair, Russians also fell for the Globalist psy-ops masters at least 2 times: when deep agent Gorbachev broke up USSR so badly, and when Yelstin was elected. Fortunately, the Russian security services were still loyal Russian nationalists, and were able to stop the Globalist takeover of Russia in the person of Putin.

    • Agree: AnonFromTN
    • Replies: @Jazman
  168. @Curmudgeon

    Stalin had his own troops dressed as Germans to kill civilians in some areas. The Einsatzgruppen were tasked with finding non uniformed combatants, who were considered spies under the Peace of Westphalia, as were those aiding and abetting the non-uniformed combatants

    Two operational groups, EG III and EG IV, operated in Wielkopolska during and after 1939 campaign. When the German army passed through Greater Poland, EG VI was created in Frankfurt (Oder), the commander of which was SS-Oberführer Erich Naumann (sentenced to a death penalty after the war – death by hanging). This group was divided into two units: Einsatzkommando 14, commanded by SS-Sturmbannführer Gerhard Flesch and 15, commanded by SS-Sturmbannführer Franz Sommer.

    eg victims from one small town Kostrzyń.

    The murdered were: Czesław Borhardt (born 1889), owner of factory in Kostrzyn; Antoni Domański (born 1881), owner of real estate and a wheeler workshop in Kostrzyn; Edmund Draheim (born 1901), baker, ran a restaurant at the railway station in Kostrzyn; Marian Gerula (born 1897), teacher -Public Primary School in Kostrzyn; Ignacy Glabisz (born 1901), administrator of the estate of count Mielżyński in Iwno; Konrad Goćwiński (born 1907), teacher – Public Primary School in Kostrzyn; Kazimierz Haupa (born 1903), director of the bank “Kasa Oszczędności” in Kostrzyn; Franciszek Kasprzyk (born 1913), a carpenter from Brzezno; Władysław Kryślak (born in 1888), deputy police commander in Nekla; Wawrzyn Kubacki (born 1907), the owner of the property and fuel depot in Kostrzyn; Gerhard Linke (born 1910), Public Teacher General School in Nekla; Dionizy Mikietyński (born 1881), owner of real estate and restaurant in Kostrzyn; Franciszek Namysł (born 1880), owner of the Tarnowo estate; Jan Nowak (born 1881), manager of a sawmill in Nekla; Jan Nowotarski (born 1896), head of the Public General School in Kostrzyn; Jan Okarma
    (born in 1897), owner of real estate and restaurant in Kostrzyn; Antoni Pacholski (born 1893), owner of real estate and a slaughterhouse in Kostrzyn; Florian Piątek (born 1900), head of the Public General School in Klony; Franciszek Pielucha (born 1900), baker from Kostrzyn-Skałów; Władysław Sikorski (born 1910), worker from Kostrzyn; Ludwik Świerkowski (born 1887), running a office in Kostrzyn; Zygmunt Świerkowski (born 1882), property owner, master carpenter, vice-mayor of Kostrzyn; Feliks Walkowiak (born 1900), deputy
    the head of the railway station in Nekla; Tadeusz Widelicki (born 1882), head of Public General School in Iwno; Marian Winowicz (born 1894), owner of a haberdashery shop in Kostrzyn; Kazimierz Wojtkowiak (born 1911), a worker from Kostrzyn; Ignacy Wróblewski (born 1890), head of the Public Primary School in Nekla; Maksymilian Żuromski (born 1879), a retired policeman.

    Among these “Stalin’s paratroopers or partisans” with german family names were the same people who helped later to take over polish real estates and property of victims. Very strange indeed.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @Ricard Doyle
  169. Passer by says:

    I usually call europeans euro puppets.

    They are mentally ill due to World War 2, and now think that it is normal to be someone else’s puppet. And they sincerely want that for everyone else too.

  170. Cyrano says:
    @anonymous

    Don’t dwell on missed opportunities. I know it’s tragic that you didn’t fight the Bolsheviks in Russia, but look on the bright side. You fought the Bolsheviks in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Iraq – and look at what a pile of great results you got.

    And those were all weaker Bolsheviks – compared to the ones in Russia. You screwed up every one of those fights against the weaker Bolsheviks, so that doesn’t bode well for expecting better results against the real hard core Bolsheviks.

    And you know what’s the most tragic consequence of all this? While you were fighting the good fights to bring democracy everywhere around the world – even to those who don’t want it (especially to those who don’t want it), the evil Jews sneaked into your country bootlegged versions of Bolshevism (antifa, BLM) and they are planning to destroy your beautiful democracy, the same way they destroyed Russia.

    But hey, at least in various middle-eastern conflicts, you chose wisely and you aligned yourself with Islamic extremists. It’s a sight to behold – capitalist extremists working side by side with their brothers – the Islamic extremists towards a common goal – of what exactly? Democracy? Yeah, I bet that’s what it’s all about.

  171. Jazman says:
    @Avery

    That is very good explanation of what happened . Interesting fact is that Artsakh army did all thd fighting and Armenia sent volunteers and some equipment
    Pure well prepared treason by PM and his people

  172. @Agathoklis

    Nagorno-Karabakh will forever be Turkish from now on

    “Forever” is a very, very long way.

    “Forever takes your breath away” – Electric Light Orchestra.

    Don’t bank on it.

  173. Notsofast says:
    @anon

    S 500s got blown to smitherines? Why do you think turkey bought s 400s from russia? Why is the u.s. pissing itself over these s400s? Why do you think putin would sell s400s to turkey? You are an anon moron.

  174. @AnonFromTN

    Now, what do we call people who don’t learn even from their own mistakes?

    Jews.

  175. @Anon

    God will arrange for… Uncle Schmuel to take a good luck in his anti-democratic mirror and realize his heart needs a change

    You really don’t understand too much about your “God”, do you ?

    Let alone about the blackened hearts and the true demonic, blood-soaked golden-calf god of the Jews.

    Check out John 8:44 (if you really care that much about truth. Personally I doubt you do).

  176. Jazman says:
    @Agathoklis

    From what planet you are ? First of all Armenia betrayed NK . Why never they recognize it as own territory . Russia is there and they saved NK from total defeat

  177. More of Saker’s BS. The man is utterly misinformed.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  178. @Cyrano

    We showed up late in ’44? Dad landed in December of 42 in North Africa and was in constant combat until the war ended. They helped take the rest of NA, Sicily and Italy thus drawing divisions from France and the Eastern front. Not to mention lend-lease.

  179. @blaqua

    Armenia (customer exclusively to the Great Bear) hasn’t bought weapons from any NATO country

    Unlike Azerbaijan, who paid for every Russian toy they’ve got, Armenia hasn’t bought any weapons, period. Whatever it got from Russia was not and will never be paid for. NATO countries are right not to give their weapons for free. Russia should do the same.

    Armenia is a CSTO member

    Pashinian, in his sorosoid “wisdom”, arrested and jailed the head of CTSO, who happened to be an Armenian when that scum came to power. Besides, Armenia is a member, whereas Karabakh isn’t. Armenia was not attacked, so CTSO treaty could not be invoked. Besides, Armenia never recognized Karabakh.

    Next argument, please.

    • Replies: @blaqua
  180. @Curmudgeon

    Quoting #160:

    Never fail to see stupid misinformed people who express their nonsense with perfect authority

    Enough said.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  181. Russians also have a saying: once every century Europeans gather their forces and go to Russia to get the shit beaten out of them.

    A Jewish terrorist army invaded Russia in 1917, took over the country, destroyed its culture, murdered its royal family, and killed millions of its people and enslaved millions more, and their descendants still run Russia to this day. And Russians are so psychologically-traumatized by what happened that they consider dying by the millions in WW2 to save their Jewish tormentors to be their greatest victory. Please spare me the false Russian pride.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
  182. blaqua says:
    @AnonFromTN

    You are biased, narrow-minded and VERY BADLY informed. Read here:

    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/russia-provides-94-of-armenia-s-weapons-in-5-years/2023969
    ‘Armenia spent \$5 BILLION to buy the equipment between 2015 and 2019.’
    https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/russian-arms-sales-to-armenia-and-their-geopolitical-effects/
    ‘Russian-Armenian agreement on military cooperation in 2013 provides for Armenia to buy Russian military equipment at Russian domestic prices.’

    So, as you can see, Russia doesn’t give its weapons for free, but just makes discounts for its loyal exclusive customer.

    “NATO countries are right not to give their weapons for free.”

    Sometimes they give GOODIES for free.
    https://www.defenseworld.net/news/27763/Greece_to_Buy_10_Rafale_Jets__Receive_8_More_as____Donation____from_France#.X9c-nzFR04k

    “arrested and jailed the head of CTSO”

    What?? Send link because I didn’t find anything online to support your claim.

    “Armenia was not attacked, so CTSO treaty could not be invoked.”
    At least 3000 Armenians died in 6 weeks and you still think the small Armenian nation and its people weren’t attacked?? The Azeris fought ONLY to fulfill their imperialistic greedy objectives; Armenians fought for their right to live peacefully in their land they have inhabited for MILLENNIA and lost because of inferior arsenal and very weak air force and look at the internal instability and chaos, while Turkey and Azeris will resume their aggression to cleanse, kill the Armenians. By the way, the organization is spelled CSTO, not CTSO. To memorize the name, just bear in mind it ends like NATO but with CS instead of NA).

    “Armenia never recognized Karabakh.”
    Armenia never recognized Karabakh, because for Armenia that piece of land was, is and will always be ARTSAKH.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  183. anonymous[803] • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    With Russia, there is pure Jewish hatred. With China, it’s a bit more complicated. On the one hand, Jews have been working closely with Chinese to enrich themselves and to undermine white majority power in Western Nations. At the same time, Jews encourage anti-Chinese rhetoric to deflect attention from their own power that really rules the West.

    You nailed it right on the head. This whole paragraph is one of the most insightful and accurate ones that I’ve read on Unz.

  184. AKAHorace says:
    @aleksander

    Sorry for the late reply, just saw your answer.

    WWII is a blink of an eye in terms of time. It was a few years ago. WWI and WWII color every decision made today. Most obviously, the best men, who would have repopulated Europe, were killed.

    Almost everyone who fought in these wars is dead. The countries that fought them have changed. Germany is not militaristic, Russia is not communist, France is not obsessed with Germany, Britain and France have lost almost all of their colonies. I agree that we can learn from history but our trouble is that the history that people learn from today is almost only the 1930-1945 period. This means that every authoritarian is compared to Hitler, every negotiation for peace that is disapproved of to Munich, every atrocity to the Holocaust.

    In the English speaking countries this is less because WWII has shaped our world and more because no one knows much history apart from WWII. I don’t say that we should forget the war or not remember the dead but we should not use it as a go-to for political comparisons or predictions. It would be useful to spend more attention on the changes after the war such as decolonization and the rise of Asian and Latin American powers to understand the world.

    Most importantly, there is an ideological struggle now between somewheres/nationalists and anywheres/globalists. Both sides use WWII to misrepresent what is going on. Globalists like to portray Nationalists as Nazis, many Nationalists (e.g. Breitbart) portray that Globalists as communists. Neither statement is true, we are in a new struggle and to understand it we should not use the classifications of mid century Europe.

  185. @blaqua

    Talk of

    VERY BADLY informed

    You can get an extensive list of Pashinian “achievements” in #169 (apparently from a level-headed Armenian)
    CSTO secretary-general at the time was Armenian Yuri Khachaturov, who was arrested under Pashinian on a trumped-up charge of “subverting public order” (I guess it means failing to lick Pashinian’s boots). Here is one link out of many:
    https://eurasianet.org/armenian-investigators-charge-head-of-russia-led-security-bloc-with-subverting-public-order

    Armenia never recognized Karabakh, because for Armenia that piece of land was, is and will always be ARTSAKH.

    Armenia did not recognize Artsakh, either. What’s the excuse for that cowardice? Some other linguistic BS?

    • Replies: @blaqua
  186. @Włodzimierz

    I did not say that atrocities were not committed. They were by all parties, including the Poles who re-started, pre-war, ethnic cleansing of Germans after Pilsudski died.
    As in all cases of atrocities, there are two parts: if is it official government policy; and, if the numbers are correct.

    • Replies: @Włodzimierz
  187. @AnonFromTN

    Take a look in the mirror. You didn’t believe me about Churchill’s plan to invade Norway, either.
    https://www.realhistorychan.com/why-did-hitler-invade-scandinavia.html

    • Replies: @L.K
  188. L.K says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Curmudgeon,

    This IMBECILE, AnonFromTN, still pushes to this day the Stalinist propaganda that implicates the Germans as the culprits for shooting the Poles at Katyn!!
    Even after the Russian government itself released most of the Soviet documents showing the Soviet secret police execution of the Poles, not only at Katyn, but at several other locations, for a total of some 20.000 or so.

    This CRETIN writes crap like, for ex, the Germans supposedly lost more men attacking Pavlov’s House than during the entirety of the French campaign in 1940!

    The guy is a complete JOKE. Typical Team Russia Internet activist… who chooses to live in the US however…

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  189. blaqua says:
    @AnonFromTN

    ‘You can get an extensive list of Pashinian “achievements” in #169 (apparently from a level-headed Armenian)’

    Governments come and go, some will be more pro-Russian than others, others will try to make timid openings to the West, while being obedient to Russia. Khatchaturov’s arrest (correct or not) doesn’t justify or excuse Putin’s and the CSTO’s pathetic stance to the slaughter of Armenians. Perhaps, the latter is justified from a Putinistic point of view if we consider that Armenians were facing a NATO / West sympathizer that unlike Georgia doesn’t resent its Soviet past.

    ‘Armenia did not recognize Artsakh, either. What’s the excuse for that cowardice?’

    You view the term ‘recognition’ only through your Sorosoid / UN eyes. The Armenian troops, combat-ready civilians, and general constant presence of Armenian people are enough to serve as recognition of Artsakh and an attempt to claim it. And they are not cowards at all, they are BRAVE living among sickening ruthless azeri mongoloid vultures.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Avery
  190. @Curmudgeon

    I did not say that atrocities were not committed

    I was referring to Einsatzgruppen role in the second world war.

    Poles who re-started, pre-war, ethnic cleansing of Germans after Pilsudski died.

    Piłsudski died 12 may 1935.

    Do you mean the same country that allowed to openly act below listed unions up to the time of claims regarding “corridor”?
    Deutsche Vereinigung
    Jungdeutsche Partei
    Deutscher Volksverband in Polen. The Deutscher Volksverband (DVV) membership grew to over 25,000 participants in 1937.
    Deutsche Sozialistische Arbeiterpartei

    What do you mean by “ethnic cleansing” during pre-war period exactly ?

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  191. @blaqua

    Read comment #169. The “involvement” of Armenian military in recent war and their “help” to Artsakh is factually described there. The summary is there, too: sleazy sorosoid scum betrayed Artsakh, having jailed most of the people who were really brave in the previous war and were instrumental in previous victory. The scum repeatedly called his superiors at the imperial court, Merkel and Macron. A fat lot of good these “friends” did Armenia. In this situation defeat was inevitable. Putin showed super-human kindness by preventing a total defeat, having forced Aliev to stop the war before Artsakh proper fell.

    FYI, Azeris are no more mongoloids than Armenians.

  192. @L.K

    Wow, Hitler’s fanboys (or fangirls) are angry. In my book it confirms that I am right. If that scum praised me, I’d be worried.

    • Agree: Cyrano
    • LOL: Hillbob
    • Replies: @L.K
  193. L.K says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Nah, you ain’t right at all, and you know it, you are just an *IDIOT* and a sad little LIAR.

    We get it; in the strange mindset of a Stalinist pig and team Russia activist, those who attempt to discern the facts, the truth about WW2, and the National Socialists in general, can only be Hitler fanboys and therefore scum. How dare us not believe Allied and, more to the point, Soviet war propaganda, and even dispute it!?

    Well, I guess Ron Unz himself, who allows your idiocies around here, is Hitlerian scum!! Acc to a Stalinist pig’s logic anyway…
    By Ron Unz
    American Pravda: When Stalin Almost Conquered Europe
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-when-stalin-almost-conquered-europe/
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-understanding-world-war-ii/
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-secrets-of-military-intelligence/
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @annamaria
  194. @L.K

    In contrast to some, my info is not from propaganda, but from actual people (including my grandparents, mother, her sister and brother) who lived through German occupation. So, I am impervious to lies, including lies dressed as “research”.

    Anyway, if you think I care what you think, think again.

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @L.K
  195. L.K says:
    @AnonFromTN

    BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, Anyway, if you think I care what you think, think again

    You obviously care a LOT more than you admit, otherwise you would not have wasted more space & time with another one of your RETARTED, fact-free comments.

    Just piss off already.

  196. L.K says:
    @AnonFromTN

    BTW, your constant and desperate resort to cheap emotion, by evoking your grandparents, uncles and what not, has been noted, and is an obvious admission of intellectual failure and *dishonesty*.

  197. @Włodzimierz

    Pilsudski may not have been overfond of the Niemci but he knew who the enemy was and who had fought by his side.
    Rydz was either delusional or bought by the (((City))) or both.

    Ethnic cleansing schmeansing

    Well, there was Bromberg and a few other things … nothing much,
    maybe 200 bodies in all. The extent of other abuses is hard to discern as none of the sources is, erm, exactly impartial.
    The main problem was that “Poland” after WW I was way under 50% Polish –
    a too-classic case of biting off more than they could digest.
    Thankfully after WW II this was corrected by simply moving “Poland” onto
    East Germany (Stalin´s way of making rapprochement forever impossible; still, the major reason for Polish fondness of US bases is not Russia).

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @Włodzimierz
    , @Curmudgeon
  198. L.K says:
    @nokangaroos

    Well, there was Bromberg and a few other things … nothing much, maybe 200 bodies in all.

    This is INCORRECT.
    In his book ‘The Wehrmacht War Crimes Bureau, 1939-1945’, Dr. Alfred-Maurice de Zayas, a lawyer, historian & expert in the field of human rights and international law and retired high-ranking United Nations official, writes that the Federal German Archives in Koblenz have the data for at least 3.841 ethnic Germans murdered by the Poles during the Polish campaign. In fact, some had been killed before the hostilities had even started.
    De Zayas states that the available data is very *incomplete* and posits a figure of at least 6.000 victims. p.139-140.
    BTW, there were forensic pathologists from various countries with the International Red Cross, from neutral European countries to forensic professionals from South America and Iran, present in Poland, confirming the reality of the crimes.

    The main problem was that “Poland” after WW I was way under 50% Polish – a too-classic case of biting off more than they could digest.

    Poland, as set up after the Great War, was actually maybe 65% ethnic Polish. You may be confusing Poland with that much more artificial entity the victors created, Czecho-Slovakia. Czecho-Slovakia was under 50% Czech and, though its name would not suggest it, the Germans, not the Slovaks, made up the second largest ethnic group.
    But you are correct that Poland was created with artificial, unsustainable borders.
    This was largely due to the victorious powers efforts, the French especially, but of course the Brits too and the Americans went along, to weaken Germany by giving chunks of German speaking Europe to these hostile satellite states, which were also meant to help the French encircle Germany.

    As US historian Thomas Fleming states, in ” The Illusion of victory’:

    The French, still obsessed by their fear of Germany, were unilaterally turning the states born of the breakup of the Austro-Hungarian and Russian empires into military satellites on Germany’s borders. French officers and weaponry poured into Poland, Czechoslovakia and Rumania. Poland had raised an army of 600,000, and the Czechs 250,000; the Rumanians were industriously imitating them. All these armies soon began shooting at each other over disputed slices of territory. Ray Stannard Baker, Wilson’s press secretary, glumly informed the president that there were no less than fourteen small wars in progress in supposedly pacified Europe.

    Around the same time, Baker overheard Lloyd George denouncing Europe’s small states as troublemakers and expensive in the bargain. The prime minister assailed the “monstrous demands of Czechoslovakia” as typical of the “miserable ambitions of the small states. ”
    So much for the war to end all wars on behalf of small countries such as poor little Belgium.44

    Your supposed “correction” of the Polish artificial borders involved Stalin taking the eastern parts of the country, which were generally not inhabited by Poles but NOT by Russians either, and Poland being compensated for its loss at the expense of German territory and people.
    Vae victis.

  199. @nokangaroos

    Piłsudski wanted to keep relations with Germany and Soviet Russia at the same distance – meaning non-aggression pact signed with both parties. Rydz was completely from the other league unfortunately. In my private opinion after Munich and especially “Zaolzie case” he should consider some pact with Germany even for time being to gain some time. Stalin was more reasonable and made such pact.

    Well, there was Bromberg and a few other things … nothing much,
    maybe 200 bodies in all. The extent of other abuses is hard to discern as none of the sources is, erm, exactly impartial.

    Well Bromberg – the Bydgoszcz case.
    Firstly, it happened during the german invasion of Poland without declaring war from german side, so not during peace. My question was about so called “pre-war cleansing”.
    Secondly, not uniformed german civilians shot at retreating polish army. You can fight as a civilian, but in a home country that defends itself and on unoccupied territory only – not when you attack it. You take the risk of especially severe consequences if you are a citizen of that country at the same time.

    The main problem was that “Poland” after WW I was way under 50% Polish

    You are right about the core of the issue – it was problem but we may say that about many countries before the IIWW. According to census data from 1931 native polish language confirmed 68,9% of citizens.
    What you call east Germany like for example Silesia was part of Kingdom of Czech longer than polish or any kind of “german” ownership. Anyway regained territories from II Reich were mostly polish than german ( even after more than 100 years of forceful Germanisation ) from language point of view and some like Greater Poland was at the very heart of original polish state.

    Regarding US bases – my opinion is very short, we have enough money and engineers to build and equip own army.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  200. @Włodzimierz

    I´ll have to see if I can dig up von Cleinow, “Der Verlust der Ostmark”, about the history of the 20s; in any case there is much more than either of us were taught in school …

    Until then, thanks 😀

    • Replies: @Włodzimierz
  201. @nokangaroos

    No problem, every source is worth reading. Some discussion ca 36 pages about Bydgoszcz events is here on axis forum. It is long but if you interested you can find some info and questions there ( from both sides ).
    https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3697&start=270
    The second is article – some german books and sources are listed there. Unfortunately I can not find any English version of it.
    http://www.archiwumpz.iz.poznan.pl/Content/7243/C_II_472-C_II_473BP-1992_2-54.pdf

    Thanks!

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  202. @saggy

    Yet you keep giving them your money.

  203. By-tor says:
    @Cyrano

    Oh my God, this is pure genius, they are planning to trick the Russians into believing that the missiles launched against them from Romania and Poland really belong to Romania and Poland, and the Russians will never guess that those missiles are actually American, so they will have no legal ground to retaliate against US.

    That is not the point of the Aegis missile bases. They are there to make it difficult for the Russians to react to a launch directed against cities within 500 miles of them. The bases are US exclusion zones. The Poles and Romanians are not in control of them.

  204. annamaria says:
    @L.K

    Your hysterics are rather predictable. Why do you hate the Unz forum so much?

    • Replies: @L.K
  205. annamaria says:
    @Quartermaster

    The zi0nized banderite is back.

  206. annamaria says:
    @Rahan

    Oh, yeah. Clintons, the darlings of politically-correct MeToo and idiotic PussyRiot.

    The idiotic ‘freedom-fighters’ of Pussy Riot are totally content with the Clintons’ crimes against humanity, including the destruction of Serbia.

  207. @nokangaroos

    All of the following were written either before or at the beginning of WWII.

    https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/polandinside/pfi00.html
    https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/deathinpoland/dp00.html
    https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/longnightsjourney/lnjid01.html
    https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/atrocities/pagmp000.html

    Whatever happened, decisions were not made in a vacuum, rather within a context. As I have pointed out previously, after Germany had de-mobilized in 1918, Poland remained armed and seized West Prussia and other German (and Russian) territories, contrary to the Armistice. Those seizures were recognized by the Allies, but not by Germany.
    When it comes to wars, nobody`s hands are clean.

    • Replies: @Włodzimierz
  208. @Włodzimierz

    Please see my reply to nokangaroos at 209

  209. @Mustapha Mond

    “All this sabre-rattling in Europe is just another way to ratchet up defense spending for their respective MICs”

    Yes – and the bigger the Russian military gets, the more spending they can justify.

  210. @Curmudgeon

    Whatever happened, decisions were not made in a vacuum, rather within a context. As I have pointed out previously, after Germany had de-mobilized in 1918, Poland remained armed and seized West Prussia and other German (and Russian) territories, contrary to the Armistice

    De-mobilized army in 1918 on eastern front? Really?
    https://wbh.wp.mil.pl/c/pages/atts/2018/12/PHW-1-2-2018.pdf

    Rewind to page 37 and start counting units
    Only 8 th army units to mention just to save space and time.

    9th Landwehr Infantry Brigade (Fight)
    19th Landwehr Infantry Division (Parnu)
    5th Backup Division (HQ?)
    17th Cavalry Brigade (Dorpat)
    17th Landwehr Division (Wenden)
    23rd Landwehr Division (Dzwińsk) 205 Infantry Division (Sinimäe)
    29 Mixed Landwehr Infantry Brigade (Rewal)

    Poland remained armed? With what? Poland just started to regain its independence.

    During the Great War, the German and Austro-Hungarian Armies defeated the
    Russian forces and the Tsar’s empire collapsed. ……Their forces, however, were of poor quality, and they were only intended to provide cover for the transport of supplies into their countries as all battleworthy units and soldiers had already been on the Western Front.
    The Revolution in Germany and the Armistice on the Western Front caused great chaos among the soldiers of the Ober-Ost. Their primary concern was to go home as soon as possible. The German Army on the Eastern Front was in disarray, which gave rise to the formation of soldiers’ councils, intensifying the chaos even more. Things started to improve as late as in January 1919.

    Let’s take on this created web page about “oppressed Germans”. I have started from the history because it always tells something- what you can expect later.

    https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/polandinside/pfi02.html

    No mention at all about the most important facts in Polish history – probably they don’t fit into the narrative like successful wars against german threat form the west.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianization_of_Poland
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mieszko_I
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boles%C5%82aw_I_the_Brave
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boles%C5%82aw_III_Wrymouth
    Between 1382 and 1793 no Polish history – I assume that is some preparation to excuse for partition time from author’s side.
    No commonwealth here also – one of the biggest countries in Europe for few centuries .
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Golden_Age
    Nothing about polish golden age when was first chance to unite Commonwealth and Moscow into one country. Something that was impossible to Hitler and even Napoleon.
    Do you really think that anyone critical on history can expect honest examination of facts, here with authors choosing the facts and adjusting it to the web page narrative?
    https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/polandinside/pfi02.html

    One can say – There are only friendly “Teutonic Knights” ( you can type anything else instead ) who spread civilization, always “German lands” Schlesien, Westpreussen, Ostpreussen, Pommern.

    Let’s face the truth!
    There are Germans and German historians who agree with Polish historians that there was no bloody massacre in Bydgoszcz, that it was a fight against saboteurs, that the Germans themselves were to blame for the expulsions, that it is impossible to balance the Nazi genocide with the death of some German citizens in Poland

    If something like bad happened before the war why Hitler did not use it ? Instead they needed to perform something like this
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident

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    , @Curmudgeon
  211. Avery says:
    @blaqua

    [blaqua].

    There is a great movie “The Day of the Jackal” (…about the attempted assassination of de Gaulle by disillusioned French paratroopers…).

    There is a conversation between The Jackal (the assassin) and the ringleaders.
    The Jackal says “….you can’t be emotional about this,……. that’s why you have made so many mistakes….”

    We Armenians are great people in many ways, but we also have many defects. We need to calmly and coldly recognize our defects and attempt to eliminate them, otherwise we will eventually lose Armenia and become like …..Assyrians: no country of their own, just the memory of a glorious empire long ago. Being overly emotional is one of those character defects.

    I will not repeat what I wrote in #169. But will add these:

    1. Yuri Khachaturov was arrested on trumped up charges by the Turk-in-Yerevan. He was awaiting “trial”, when the war broke out. He, being a patriot, rushed to lend his expertise to the general staff. Don’t know how much he was allowed to do. The SorosaSnakes had made sure that none of the experienced military veterans could be effective.

    There is a famous leaked audio from a few months ago between the RoA NSS (Armenia KGB/FSB) head at the time Artur Vanetsyan and some other head guy (forgot his name). In the phone conversation, this other guys tells Vanetsyan that Pashinoğlu has ordered him to arrest Khachaturov. Vanetsyan is astonished. He says “…..are you sure? the head CSTO?……you know that Moscow will not like it…” (Vanetsyan resigned shortly after, and is now in the Opposition protests).

    2. “Khatchaturov’s arrest (correct or not) doesn’t justify or excuse Putin’s and the CSTO’s pathetic stance to the slaughter of Armenians.”

    I covered Putin etc in #169. But, again: the traitors who are now in Armenia’s government are the ones responsible for all the Armenian KIA , WIA, and missing in action. Nobody else. We have to be willing to help ourselves first. We have to cleanse the SorosaScum from Armenia first. And it’s not just Pashinoğlu’s gang. Armenia is infested with foreign NGOs and “News” organizations drumming Globalist poison into people’s heads 24 hrs @ day, every day.

    And the rules of the game are that CSTO will assist _only_ if a member country requests it. (in our case CSTO is Russia). Russia (unofficially) offered help and was ignored. Pashinoğlu and his SorosaGang were installed with the express purpose of losing this war. And this well planned effort – according to some very knowledgeable people in Armenia – started a few years after our epic victory in 1994, in late 1990s.

    Did you know that Pashinoğlu not only was hostile to Russia, but he specifically ruined Armenia’s good relations with China and Iran that were developed and maintained by previous administrations?

    3. About the non-recognition of Artsakh by RoA. Putin mentioned this specifically. And that whole argument is bogus. RoA officially recognizing Artsakh would mean squat. Internationally nobody would care nor give a SH_____. Armenia is not RF, nor US, nor EU that its recognition would have any meaning. The effort by Armenians (RoA, Diaspora) to have Big countries recognize it first was sound. But RoA’s diplomacy is less than zilch. This includes previous admins. We had all the advantages and let the criminal Aliyev regime run rings around us.

  212. @Włodzimierz

    Of course there is no shortage of “German historians” who agree; the hard part is finding one with a foreskin.
    Gleiwitz is so buried in lies we will never dig it up …
    why not concentrate on something the Germans actually did, like the raid on the Jablunka Pass 25/26 August ?
    The Germans were so embarrassed they refused to decorate Lt. Herzner “because it wasn´t war” and the Poles were so embarrassed a platoon-sized commando had taken out a regiment that by gentlemen´s agreement they swept it under the rug 😀
    (but it makes clear any discussion who started what is moot)

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  213. L.K says:
    @annamaria

    hysterics are rather predictable. Why do you hate the Unz forum so much?

    My hysterics??? Are you insane?

    How do I hate the Unz forum exactly?

    In the post you idiotically replied to I had offered several articles by Ron Unz himself.

  214. Athena says:

    Hillary and Biden’s ”Kosova”, stolen from Serbia WAR CRIMES HAUNT KOSOVO’S PRESIDENT

    ” Thaçi along with eight other former senior military officials of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) are collectively accused of committing “nearly 100 murders.”

    In addition to the murders, Thaçi and his gang-of-eight are also alleged to have engaged in “torture, persecution and enforced disappearance.”

    The German Intelligence Agency BND conducted a recent investigation into Thaçi and his regime and concluded “The key players (including Thaçi) are involved in inter-linkages between politics, business and organized crime structures in Kosovo.” To put it bluntly, Kosovo is a narco-criminal enterprise.

    A separate report conducted for the Council of Europe had a far more sinister overtone. It implicated Thaçi and the former KLA commanders of such heinous crimes as human organ trafficking. Innocent victims – both ethnic Serbian and Albanian – were allegedly executed for the purpose of harvesting their organs on the black market.”

    From: http://espritdecorps.ca/on-target-4/on-target-war-crimes-haunt-kosovos-president?rq=kosovo

    The Kosovo of Hillary and Biden: the KLA (USTASHI), European capital of drugs and prostitution (INTERPOL: Kosovo is a hub for smuggling 70% of the Afghan heroin for Europe via US military base BONDSTEEL)

    Kosovo je srbija!:

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  215. Athena says:

    So what brought about such dramatic changes in the Russian force posture?

    The EU/US/NATO war against the Serbian nation.

    Canadian soldiers remember MEDAK POCKET

    – NATO trained CROATS and ALBANIANS to massacre the Serbs, and CREATE a civil war.

    – Serbs were BURNED alive by mercenaries trained by MPRI (VA), now ENGILITYCORP (NATO’s private contractor.)

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  216. @nokangaroos

    For sure we will not find any film recording from Gliwice ( Gleiwitz ). As for tunel case you are right – it is far better documented and probably impossible to question. Regarding effectiveness – some problem was stupid English pressure not to “provoke” Hitler finding its climax at starting than canceling and again re-starting of mobilization. It is difficult to fight without provoking enemy.

  217. @Włodzimierz

    Other than dates, Wikileaks is hardly a reliable source for facts.
    Why is it that Poles continually base their claims on things that happened hundreds of years ago? By that measure, do we assume that Holland is still part of Spain? Is Romania still part of Turkey?
    Are Alsace ad Lorraine still part of a German principality as it was until Louis XIV decided France’s natural borders were the Rhine and Mosel?
    Invasions happen throughout history. Let’s be clear, the Treaty of Versailles was the cause of WWII. The Armistice was signed on the bass of Wilson’s 14 Points, none of which were followed. Benjamin Freedman blew the whistle on the Zionists for Versailles 70+ years ago. WWI was foisted on Germany because it was becoming a manufacturing juggernaut. WWII was foisted on Germany because it was reviving itself in that capacity.
    Germany was going to have those wars whether they wanted them or not. Pilsudski may not have liked Germans, but he understood what was happening. Rydz was a useful idiot. There could have been peace, but he was played like a fiddle too prevent it.

    • Replies: @Włodzimierz
  218. @Curmudgeon

    Why is it that Poles continually base their claims on things that happened hundreds of years ago? By that measure, do we assume that Holland is still part of Spain? Is Romania still part of Turkey?

    It is a quite opposite. Some Germans think that way. Eg We do not question that Lwów (Lviv ) is now part of Ukraine.

    Let’s be clear, the Treaty of Versailles was the cause of WWII.

    For sure astronomic contribution 130 billions marks in gold was rather extreme exaggeration. To be fair Hungary lost even more territory than Germany after the Trianon treaty and Hungarians didn’t start the war.

    Pilsudski may not have liked Germans, but he understood what was happening. Rydz was a useful idiot. There could have been peace, but he was played like a fiddle too prevent it.

    Probably Piłsudski would try to resolve the matter earlier before the war was imminent.

    Rydz’s main mistake was to trust the Allies and enter the war as first country.

  219. GNS says:

    BRAVO SAKER !
    Brilliant Analysis & reporting.
    Thank you for your Great Website !

  220. @Włodzimierz

    Poles, like the Irish, never, ever, ever stop complaining. And everything revolves around their suffering, like the Special Tribe, only Europeans who should know better and act better.

  221. @Athena

    And where are the war criminals?

  222. @Athena

    Thaci needs arrest, a rope, a scarf over the eyes.Pure scum.

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