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I just spend about 2 hour listening to a TV debate of Russian experts about what to do about the USA. Here are a few interesting interesting points.

1) They all agreed that the AngloZionist (of course, they used the words “USA” or “Western countries”) was only going to further escalate and that the only way to stop this is to deliberately bring the world right up to the point were a full-scale US-Russian war was imminent or even locally started. They said that it was fundamentally wrong for Russia to reply with just words against Western actions.

2) Interestingly, there also was a consensus that even a full-scale US attack on Syria would be too late to change the situation on the ground, that it was way too late for that.

3) Another interesting conclusion was that the only really question for Russia is whether Russia would be better off delaying this maximal crisis or accelerating the events and making everything happen sooner. There was no consensus on that.

4) Next, there was an consensus view that pleading, reasoning, asking for fairness or justice, or even for common sense, was futile. The Russian view is simple: the West is ruled by a gang of thugs supported by an infinitely lying and hypocritical media while the general public in the West has been hopelessly zombified. The authority of the so-called “western values” (democracy, rule of law, human rights, etc.) in Russia is now roadkill.

5) There was also a broad consensus that the US elites are not taking Russia seriously and that the current Russian diplomatic efforts are futile (especially towards the UK). The only way to change that would be with very harsh measures, including diplomatic and military ones. Everybody agreed that talking with Boris Johnson would be not only a total waste of time, but a huge mistake.

6) To my amazement, the notion that Russia might have to sink a few USN ships or use Kalibers on US forces in the Middle-East was viewed as a real, maybe inevitable, option. Really – nobody objected.

Reach your own conclusions. I will just say that none of the “experts” was representing, or working for, the Russian government. Government experts not only have better info, they also know that the lives of millions of people depend on their decisions, which is not the case for the so-called “experts”. Still, the words of these experts do reflect, I think, a growing popular consensus.

(Republished from The Vineyard of the Saker by permission of author or representative)
• Category: Foreign Policy • Tags: American Military, Russia, Syria 
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  1. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    After the lessons of WWI, WWII, and the Cold War, we are back to this nonsense in the 21st century?

    And all because the Empire of Judea or EOJ wants hegemony over everything?

    It wants to control all of the West. Rise of nationalism makes Jews very angry. National sovereignty for every nation undermines imperialism and globalism. So, EOJ has to hem Trump in a box and vilify Russia, Hungary, and Poland.
    Russia just wants to get along. Hungary and Poland just want to survive. But as their examples of national sovereignty stand in the way of hegemony of EOJ, they must be vilified.

    And EOJ wants hegemony over MENA. Since Israel cannot conquer all the territory, it uses what Brits once used on the Continent. Balance of power. Actually, it’s worse than balance of power. It’s more like Reign of Chaos. Spread warfare all over the Middle East. And Arabs and Muslims are dumb enough to fall for this bait. Erdogan’s hand in Syrian mess is criminal.

    21st century could have been so much better, especially with the end of the Cold War. But the pushiest and nastiest bunch of people took over the power of the US. Because Jews don’t identify with goyim as fellow nationals, their main mode of identification isn’t with any gentile-majority nation but with the worldwide Jewish network and with Israel. So, Jewish power is essentially imperial.

    Chinese elites can look at China, feel one with Chinese folks, and feel satisfaction in Chinese power.
    Russian elites can look at Russia, feel one with Russian folks, and feel satisfaction in Russian power.
    But Jews, no matter how rich and powerful they are, don’t look at Americans and see fellow countrymen. They see goyim to control. Jew mainly identify with Jews in UK, France, Germany, Russia, Hungary, Israel, Canada, etc. So, Jewish power is essentially imperialist-minded. So, except for Israel, Jews are always anti-nationalist and pro-imperialist.

    Imperialism led to WWI and WWII. And Cold War was clash of empires. WWI dealt a huge blow to imperial ambitions. WWII put an end to empires as an ideal. And end of Cold War led to fall of Soviet empire and liberation of nations. And US could have dropped its counter-imperial ambitions back then. And maybe that would have been possible.

    But Judea, the military class, and the free traders just got too greedy.

    • Replies: @ANONYmous
  2. anon[335] • Disclaimer says:

    The media situation is surreal. On the one hand we are on the edge of war with a nuclear power and it is a real possibility that American warships will be sunk in a way we haven’t seen since WWII.
    On the other hand, there is nothing, nothing, nothing about any of this in the main stream media. The crazies are screaming about Trump paying off a hooker. These people have sunk so low that nuclear war may be the only thing that can improve their character.

  3. anon[335] • Disclaimer says:

    The Russians are having serious public discussions about an impending war between nuclear powers, and the American media and liberal crazies are screaming about Trump paying off a hooker.
    Nuclear war may be the only thing left that can bring America back to reality.

  4. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Empire of Judea to turn Syria into Libya.

  5. Anonymous [AKA "patrick67"] says:

    need to ship s600 to lebanon syria and iran
    arm the taliban
    create own false flag to start n korea war

  6. Svigor says:


    America: “zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.”

  7. Svigor says:

    Seriously: Saker and the flatheads are all drama queens, fapping to the notion that Russia is central to world events.

  8. Herald says:

    Ah the predictable Svigor still living in a dreamworld where Russia doesn’t exist. Oh boy do you need to wake the **** up.

    • Replies: @Sean
  9. Sean says:

    Nothing to do with Jews. Russia is too conventionally weak and too skewed to battlefield nukes for America to even think about getting into direct fighting over a meaningless country like Syria. Russia isn’t going to start something with the West either.

    Internal Russian politics are what this about. Putin wants Russia to be politically and culturally autarchic. So he is trolling,tormenting and acting like SPECTRE to make the West turn the tax inspectors on all Russians active in the West, thus get the wealthy Russian emigres to return from Londongrad (the capital of Russian capital flight).

    5 February 2018 Russian billionaires living in Britain have begged Vladimir Putin to be allowed back into Russia without being arrested.

    It is understood that more than ten oligarchs have contacted the Kremlin asking for safe repatriation back home after fleeing the country to escape court proceedings.

    It comes amid a crackdown in Britain on businessmen suspected of corruption who cannot account for how they accumulated their vast wealth.

    Russian business tsar Boris Titov said the list was ‘with the president’.

  10. Herald says:

    I am not at all sure why is this reply addressed to me.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  11. Svigor says:

    Ah the predictable Svigor still living in a dreamworld where Russia doesn’t exist. Oh boy do you need to wake the **** up.

    Hi, flathead.


    GDP, high to low:

    South Korea


    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Herald
  12. Svigor says:

    Nothing to do with Jews. Russia is too conventionally weak and too skewed to battlefield nukes for America to even think about getting into direct fighting over a meaningless country like Syria. Russia isn’t going to start something with the West either.

    Flatheads: “but I’m Russia and I want to be important!*stamps foot*

  13. 76239 says:

    “Government experts not only have better info, they also know that the lives of millions of people depend on their decisions, which is not the case for the so-called “experts”

    Pure crap. Government experts don’t have skin in the game. They are insulated from the consequences of their actions. See the American political elite for an example. Its no different in any other country.

    The risk is socialized, and the gain is privatized. Always.

  14. . . . bring the world right up to the point were a full-scale US-Russian war was imminent . . .

    Reminds me of the old Monty Python joke “Stampeding off to the clitoris . . . .”

    Russia might want to consider asymmetric response like cutting under sea cables “with drones” knocking out a few satellites (from Iran) and so forth. Nonlethal but annoying stuff. The US just cost Russia billions for no known reason.

    Cooperation is a two way street.

  15. peterAUS says:

    Nobody knows what’s going to happen.
    Things feel a bit surreal.

    My take:
    US with allies will do something. Russia will allow that. Say, a cruise missile strike on something, like last time.

    What happens next is interesting.
    Like last time, all dies down till , again, something similar.
    No problem.

    Or…..with carrier strike force there, and the rest, a possibility to keep hammering Assad regime into collapse.

    If Kremlin allows that, without fight, it will definitely lose credibility abroad (which they can handle) but, well, can start to lose credibility internally. That’s not good. Unstable nuclear superpower, with another superpower gunning to take over, is not good at all. Just perfect for misjudgment and error. Thermonuclear.

    And, admit, on a purely personal level, I am curious, actually.
    When look and listen around me, well, nobody cares. Hence, somebody is…. crazy?. Hopefully it’s me (and that now really sounds crazy).
    Or people around me are.
    If they are, well, the only sort of satisfaction I’ll have is that they’ll run around as headless chicken in those last 20 minutes of their lives while I sip, with final resignation, coffee on my deck. That also sounds crazy.

    So, it all points (as plenty of posters here have pointed to before) that I am crazy.
    Better somebody like me crazy than all those kids dead. Kids, not parents.

    • Replies: @Faker
  16. Faker says:

    I enjoy reading your comments. I find them typically to be on point.

    On what’s going to happen next, though.

    Let me tell you, given the way hysteria has been ramped up in the European media in the last few days (particularly in England and France where “chemical attack” articles have been appearing a dozen times a day in major newspapers), something big is about to happen. Really big.

    Look at all the meetings Macron has been having. France is going to play a major role.

    It certainly won’t be a “few missiles” just for show.

    • LOL: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @peterAUS
  17. peterAUS says:

    Well….admit, I have a bad feeling about this.
    Really bad.

    I try to rationalize that with my age and being a product of Cold War, so, I must be wrong.


    I truly believe that we, humans, can’t handle the war technology we’ve developed.
    We are, essentially, the same people who, at very least, made WW1. I’d even go for, fundamentally, the same people with swords and spears.

    I was, and still is, hoping that it won’t happen in, say, next 10 years, at least.

    So, when all this comes to pass I’ll look at this post and say “see….you were simply overacting old man”.
    One way to find out, and soon.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  18. Anonymous [AKA "ziro"] says:

    conduct A nikki halley investigation and find saudi arabia responsible for false flag, bomb their refineries and wells to smitherens, oil goes up and helps russian economy

  19. anonymous[140] • Disclaimer says:

    Talking head “experts” are dime a dozen everywhere, can be found in any barroom. All they ever talk about is how their or other countries have to act tough as though one were talking about some schoolyard scraps. Policy isn’t necessarily formulated by emotion. Is Syria worth it for the various parties involved? Would the US and Russia collude on a face-saving plan to placate their publics by having the US bomb some meaningless patch of land with the Russians pretending to respond in an equally meaningless way? Lots of theorizing going on right now with a possible showdown anticipated. The Cuban missile crisis was resolved. Can this also be negotiated or is it a foregone conclusion that there’ll be a clash since the basis for it is a fabrication to begin with?

  20. VICB3 says:

    You don’t want a war.

    Once a war starts, it’s a wild thing that is completely out of control and will lead to unexpected consequences.

    Unfortunately, the people rattling their sabers think that, no matter what, they won’t be the ones hurt. A cursory reading of History – something that evidently they haven’t done – will show repeatedly how foolish that notion can be.

    But cognitive dissonance is the order of the day. The Leaders – Neocons, Zionists, Perfumed Military Princes, and Dispensationalist Nutjobs – all have their collective blinders on. They want power, they want territory, they want profits, they want promotions with a cushy retirement attached and they want Jesus, and to hell with anything else.

    All of this feels to me just like 1914. (I wasn’t alive of course.) My mom – who was there – will tell you that it feels just like 1939. Threats and provocations all around, and for no good purpose other than avarice, egos and prestige.

    And if the shooting starts, it will end badly for all concerned.

    I like reading History, but I don’t want to live it.

    Just a thought.


  21. TT says:

    Russia should think very seriously, to engage Israel or US?

    If Russia take out a few Israel airfields as show of its determination to counterstrike, USM will withdraw, Israel Nethanyahoo call up Putin to protest angrily but get more fcuk, case closed, since no soldiers will commit suicide by obeying Trumps order to strike Russia to protect Israel.

    Otherwise wait for US Nato coming massive strike, to see how many projectiles & launchers it can/dare to bring down with appropriate action to either spiral out of control into full scale war, or total humiliation to exit Syria.

  22. FB says:

    Well this is a decent article…the point of which many commenters seem to miss…ie gauging the public mood in Russia with regard to US hostility and now threats of imminent military action…

    I would agree…observing from a distance…that the Russian public surely must have had it up to here with the idiot US…

    But what about the US public…?

    What can we say about them…?

    The author describes them as ‘zombified’…

    This is correct…

    Let’s start with today’s tweet from Dump…

    And here is the first reply from one ‘Lil Gabs’

    We note that insane Dump’s threat to Russia is met with…

    ‘Best President ever! love you’

    We note also the picture of Christ wearing a MAGA hat…

    Curious about the Twitter profile of such an Apex Moron…?

    The insanity of this ‘person’ is on full display here…the cute little Hentai doll face…all these little cutesy symbols that this nutcase found somewhere and pasted into this collage of insanity…

    ‘…God…Family & Country!…Christian…Proud to be alive! I’m a very nice person…God bless you…I love God!…M A G A…’

    What ‘family’ is she talking about…the Manson Family…?

    Next…we have a similarly ‘balanced’ individual weighing in on the twitter ‘debate’…

    This from a personage that calls itself…’One Nation Under God’…

    Here is what we see in his/her profile…

    He’s chosen a cute little baby ducky as his image…so we have a Hentai doll and a little baby ducky…how cute is that…?

    This insane clown also loves God…natch…

    ‘Loves God & People…Plunder Hell to populate Heaven!…John 3:16…Romans 10:9…John 14:6…#covfefe…#OneNationUnderGOD…In GOD’s hands!’

    We notice also the little symbols this little retard has arranged…

    First the US flag…then the Menora…then the Star of David…then the Israeli Flag [just for good measure…in case the Menora and David’s Star alone were not enough…!?]…then a globe symbol…etc…

    This Mad Hatter has over 50,000 ‘followers’ on twitter…

    In his reply to Dump’s belligerent tweet aimed at Russia he cites Isaiah 54:17…

    ‘…No weapon formed against you shall prosper,
    And every tongue which rises against you in judgment
    You shall condemn.
    This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord,
    And their righteousness is from Me,”
    Says the Lord…’

    Of course baby ducky man ‘loves God and people’…

    Just like Hentai doll ‘Lil Gab’ who’s ‘a very nice person…’

    But there’s nothing that turns their crank more than threats of launching missiles…

    So this is the ‘mindset’…if one can even call it that…that we are dealing with…

    Clinically, these two individuals are obviously insane…

    Problem is that they are probably representative of a very large number of ‘zombified’ Americans…and we see proof of that right here in the comments section of this website…

    Of course the equally insane and delusional ‘president’ Dump is of the same level of thoroughly broken mind…

    It is certain that the Russian people have no clue about the depth of delusion of the American public…

    I doubt the Russian ‘experts’ and political leadership even have a clue as to the nature of what it means to be an ‘American’ in 2018…

    If they would realize that this sick beast needs to be put out of its misery…like a rabid dog…

    • Replies: @Mithradates
  23. The Scalpel says: • Website

    I think they are trolls. Probably working for US or Russia or Israel.

  24. Anonymous [AKA "Dream Work"] says:

    Actually Russian GDP is bigger than South Korean. Only in GDP per capita, ROK is ahead of Russia. But there are other things like PPP adjusted GDP. Anyway, it’s totaly irrelevant. Russia can make fighter jets, nukes, GPS equivalents… Not even China can do all of this without foreign help. That’s why US elite is affraid of Russia. And ROK is shitting in pants when North Korean despot has bad day.

  25. Mathias says:

    US Empire has just 2½ years left. Petrodollar is doomed. The Pax Americana era is soon over.

  26. Herald says:

    Nothing at all to disprove my notion there. My case as good as proven but do feel free to carry on digging your hole deeper.

  27. @Herald

    Don’t let it bother you, Herald. Sean is insane, but at least he’s retarded. He probably thinks he’s replying to his mom.

  28. @peterAUS

    Petie, you finally get a fan and it’s someone even more deranged than you are. This is delicious. You two toddle off and get a room before someone turns a hose on you.

  29. To both his advocates and detractors, let me assure you, the War Jesus is not Jesus.
    That fake is the war monger brother from another mother.

  30. ANONYmous[107] • Disclaimer says:

    Good comment, Anon 425, but PCR is inaccurate on a number of key facts:

    The Wesley Clark “revelations” are a set-up, PCR should realize that. Clark is not a hero, he’s a willing shill: What former military leader would appear on tv and disclose such strategic information — unless it was information that someone somewhere wanted to be make known to the public.

    Second, the List of Seven was enunciated in 1979 at the Jerusalem Conference, “International Terrorism, Challenge and Response,” convened by Bibi Netanyahu & his father. It laid down the framework for GWOT, and named the seven states to be destroyed.

    Third, PCR blames Clinton for taking advantage of the fall of Soviet empire as a counterbalancing force, but that vacuum is precisely what motivated George H W Bush to invade Iraq. That was not a necessary war: the incubator baby scam is one tip off. Bush said he went to war NOT to ‘liberate Kuwait” but to tell the world that USA was now in charge.

    And btw, G H W Bush spoke at that Jerusalem Conference in 1979.

    G H W Bush was responsible for placing Khomeini in Tehran.

    The collapse of USSR was a disaster for the reasons PCR stated, but Clinton was only following in a by-then well marked path, blazed initially by FDR, re-opened by G H W Bush and Reagan.

  31. Considering that the US perceives itself as an indispensible nation with its hegemonic currency and military, AND that the US has never been attacked from outside forces; when you add all that up with the heavily infiltrated Zionists in America………attacking the US homeland in a variety ways would necessitate the “zombified” citizens to awaken from their slumber AND the powers that rule the US might think twice before continuing their monstrosities against the entire Planet.

  32. @FB

    “So this is the ‘mindset’…if one can even call it that…that we are dealing with…

    Clinically, these two individuals are obviously insane…

    Problem is that they { represent } a very large number of ‘zombified’ Americans…and we see proof of that right here in the comments section of this website…”

    As someone who lives in the US, I can verify your view that millions of our citizens have been zombified by two key US paradigm: Calvinist thinking that life is black and white, and by the American propoganda that “You are what you want to make of yourself.” Implications galore in that mentality.
    But with the bohemoth rise in banking, Wall Street and oligarchs that rule this country, along with a culture that NEVER deeply appreciated critical thinking skills – we now have a full-fledged, truly “zombified” society. It’s seen everywhere: in our bureaucracies, the social media, universities, everyday job in all levels of social groups, save for the 5% who actually know and ridicule at least 80% of the stupid, illiterate American millions.

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