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Do I even have to introduce Roger Waters to my readers? Those born in the 1970s-80s all know the name “Pink Floyd” as one of, if not the THE, most talented group in the history of pop/rock music. As for our younger readers, they at least will have heard of albums like The Dark Side of the Moon or The Wall. Then there are the comparatively more recent releases by Roger Waters, like the opera Ca Ira or the hauntingly beautiful and deeply touching Amused to Death.

Roger Waters has always been the real true genius behind both the Pink Floyd music and lyrics, this was true from the early Saucerful of Secrets (1968) to the (well named) Final Cut (1983). There has been a lot of controversy about that, it’s all water under the bridge now, but let me just say that I discovered Saucerful of Secrets when I was 11 (1974) and even at that young age I quickly figured out who the “hidden genius” (that is how I thought about Waters then) behind the band really was. I do have the utmost respect for the rest of the Pink Floyd band, they were also very talented, but Roger Waters stands, in my not so humble opinion, head and shoulders over the rest of the band. In fact, for me, Roger Waters *is* and always was, the “real Pink Floyd!

The very first pop song I ever played on a guitar was “Brain Damage“. I was 12 then. Since, I have played pretty much every song Waters ever wrote. Later, I went into rock (Led Zep style) and, later, into acoustic Jazz guitar duos, but on my Walkman (remember those?), in my room and, later, in my car I always had a full Roger Waters discography. I still do 🙂

Of course, Roger Waters is not only a truly immensely talented composer, his lyrics have also had a huge impact on me. I don’t want to discuss personal issues here, but let’s just say that Roger Waters put in words feelings I was harboring deep inside myself. As a kid, and later an adult, I always though “no matter what, there is ONE GUY out there who not only “gets it” but also feels that which I feel, often very deep inside me: Roger Water’s music and lyrics touched me at my most vulnerable, desperate, frightened, filled with angst and doubt. The fact that both Roger and I lost our fathers very early on and were raised by our mothers probably greatly contributed to “tune” us to a same similar frequency, so to speak. The fact that we were born in a truly terminally insane world (including the Cold War) for sure did!

Last, but not least, I saw how Roger not only wrote about our world, but how he entered the fight against what he calls our “ruling classes” (he is right to use this category, this is certainly a class struggle) even taking on the most powerful and evil gang out there: the Apartheid state of “Israel”. Payback for Roger’s compassion for, and truthfulness about, the plight of the Palestinian people did not go unnoticed by the bad guys. One of these creeps even made a full feature length movie entitled “Wish You Weren’t Here – The Dark Side Of Roger Waters” (in Russian we have a good saying: “this tiny dog must be hugely strong to bark up and elephant!”).

And it is not just the Palestinians, or Julian Assange; any other person who needs protection or a voice to speak up for them – they will find such a voice in Waters. Anyone who has had a chance to hear his masterpiece “Amused to Death” or the “Ca Ira” opera will quickly figure out that Waters is not only an amazing music genius, but also a truly righteous man who followed his conscience when almost everybody sold out and left the battlefield. Bottom line, Waters truly had a huge impact on me, my life and my views. He was also a role model in so many ways.

Special note for religious bigots: yes, I know, Waters is not religious. But may I suggest that he is not religious for all the RIGHT reasons – think of the kind of pseudo-Christianity he has been exposed to since his birth. Water’s secularism is nothing but a form of honesty which rejects all the hypocrisy so many bigots love to wrap themselves in! I would argue that there are *many* atheists for the right reasons out there just as there are deeply religious people for the wrong reasons out there too (and they make the very best Orthodox converts, by the way, as they truly seek out the REAL truth!). So how about we don’t judge and, instead, praise the undeniable righteousness of any man who places the Truth, his conscience and his unwavering struggle, against all the evils of our world? As an Orthodox Christian, I feel very close and sympathetic to those idealist who reject religions because all they saw from these religions was disgusting, revolting and generally very much NOT Christ-like. After all, the concepts of love, beauty, truth are all paraphrases or metaphors for the word “God” which, alas, has become almost totally discredited in our post-Christian times! Rather than judging or condemning, let’s instead pray as our Lord taught us and humbly pray “for the peace of the whole world, for the good estate of the holy churches of God, and for the union of all, let us beseech the Lord.”

I think that by now you all see the obvious: I love Roger Waters with all my heart. No point in hiding or denying it, as it is obvious anyway 🙂

And, of course, meeting him one day has been a lifelong dream of mine. Then, in May, I got an email from a reader (let’s call him “J”) who mentioned to me that he has had contacts with Waters in the past. I immediately asked him to ask Roger if he would agree to a video interview. And then, one day, I got a very warm and kind reply from Waters saying “Hey Andrei, sure, I’ll do the interview. When and how? Love Roger!“.

The “when and how” took longer than expected, as Waters is truly in HUGE demand everywhere, did you see his reply to Mark Zuckerberg who wanted by purchase Waters’s song “Another Brick in the Wall II” for huge money? And the goal? To promote Instagram. You can see Roger’s heartfelt reply to Zuckerberg here. But, eventually, it did happen, and last Monday I had the huge honor, privilege and joy to speak with Roger. You could say that this was a dream of mine for 46(!) years, and it finally happened.

Needless to say, I was both blissful (hence my “cat with cream” grin during this conversation) and very intimidated. While I spent most of my life not giving a damn about what others think, this time I cared, a lot. So I will also confess of being very intimidated by the man. If anything, his kind simplicity and compassionate understanding made him, if at all possible, even bigger in my eyes.

So, after this long intro (sorry but I had a lot to say, and could easily have turned that into into a 10,000 words article) here is the promised interview:

Since much of the interview talks about Roger Water’s “Lockdown Sessions” I want to conclude with the two I love most (so far).

The Gunner’s dream:

Two Suns in the Sunset:

This latest song is, in my interpretation, a truly beautiful lament for our poor planet. Anybody who has lived through the Cold War will easily “get it”.

And if we somehow manage not to blow ourselves and our planet up, then it will be at least in part thanks to true heroes like Roger Waters.

In the end, it depends on each one of us.

Love to all, especially to Roger!

(Republished from The Vineyard of the Saker by permission of author or representative)
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  1. Phipps says:

    The worst people on the planet are Born-Again Christians. They revere the destructive Jews and literally worship Israel. They love war and violence. (Mike Pompeo is a typical example of a Born-Again Christian,) These Fake Christians are beneath contempt.

  2. Saker

    I am very glad that Roger reads the Saker….But since I used to live near Roger and his beautiful Palestinian Wife(Roger has since moved away and got divorced):


    The Shinnecock fake Indians are polluting the scenic view of the Peconic with massive light pollution…..why do they have a right to do this in a Public Nature Area? Most of us are Native White Working Class who fear the cancer of Nassau County Sprawl(Roger made a Solidarity visit with the Shinnecocks over the two giant plasma screen billboards(tummy tuck ads…fast food ads….lots of liquor ads…with dishonest Shinnecock public announcements about SACRED MOTHER EARTH)

  3. Notsofast says:

    while “a saucer full of secrets” was in it’s own right a great album, it began as leftovers from the ground breaking “the piper at the gates of dawn” a true masterpiece that was almost entirely written by the true founder of pink floyd, syd barrett who wrote all the lyrics, sang the lead vocals and played lead guitar on all songs except for “take up thy stethoscope and walk” which was written by waters. pink floyd was syd’s band and i’m sure waters would agree on that. roger keith “syd” barrett got the nick name from his prodigious use of l.s.d. or acid and unfortunately became an acid casualty and by the time a saucer full of secrets was recorded was becoming incapable of continuing his music and the band reluctantly replaced him david gilmour, a good friend of syd (who tried to help syd with a solo career but syd was too far gone to function). i was never a huge fan of “the wall” and what came after and tended to take gilmour, wright and masons side on the split but roger waters courageous stand against the apartheid state occupying palestine has made him a hero again in my eyes. gilad atzmon played on pink floyds final studio album, i would love to see a collaboration between him and waters for the palestinian cause, perhaps gilmour another strong supporter of palestine, could be convinced to join in and burry the hatchet with waters.

  4. @War for Blair Mountain












  5. Farhad says:

    Okay, now is time to take a long breath!
    Breathe in, breathe out
    Breathe in, breathe out
    Feeling better?

    if not, repeat until objects come back in focus

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  6. @War for Blair Mountain

    America needs a thorough and complete exorcism of America of the slime mold Bush Family…that’s for sure.

  7. @War for Blair Mountain

    Not to shout about it, nor claim divine authority, but let’s include:

    Also, Germany and the rest of Europe,
    Norway and all of Scandinavia,
    Korea, Japan, Taiwan?!, and all of Asia
    All of Central and South America

    And Turkey.

    Not worried about the poles though, not POLAND, the Arctic and Antarctic.

    And when they get here, let’s make sure they have constructive opportunities with a solid safety net. We got some rebuilding to do ourselves.

  8. @Randy Dazzler

    I would defund the US Military…completely…

    Then issue a Divine Edict to have Admiral Mike Mullins and 4 star US Army General Mark Milley arrested for sexual perversion….

    • Replies: @Randy Dazzler
  9. mijj says:

    > “Roger Waters has always been the real true genius behind both the Pink Floyd music and lyrics”

    … !!! … gasp … !!! … what about Syd? .. why is he ignored?

    • Agree: Notsofast
  10. @Notsofast

    60s Pink Floyd was a psychedelic band and the 60s psychedelia was surrealistic and naivist, child like, compared to later Pink Floyd, St Paul’s words apply:

    When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

    1 Corinthians 13:11

    my understanding of the split is that Waters wanted to end the band, because he felt it had fulfilled its possibilitites and continuing doing what would be more of the same would cheapen what they had done before. The other guys thought that well we are musicians, this is our job that we enjoy doing and our job is in demand why to stop and star anew? Waters I think feel that true artist cannot be just an entertainer but preferably a Prophet, saying things that people don’t wan’t to hear but what must be said. Or something like that.

    • Disagree: Notsofast
  11. Kali says:

    If it wasn’t for 2 hugely significant people in my life, my ever-loving mother and Roger Waters, who gave voice to my deepest pain, I doubt I’d have survived far too many childhood traumas.

    Both of those people were, and still are, my biggest heros. That they both share my undying love of our Palestinian brothers and sisters only enhances their light in my eyes.

    What a pity this is a video intrview and there’s no acompanying transcript. Living off-grid and outside the system has one or two drawbacks – limited data and bandwidth being amongst them. (I do hope some sympathetic reader takes pity and transcribes!)

    I wrote a song for Palestine the year before last (the only song I’ve ever writen). Not being a musician means the song exists almost entirely in my head, save one recording that I sent to a friend).

    “Bring my brother Palestine,
    Bring your sister Palestine,
    And free the child of Palestine
    To sing with us, to dance with us
    To celebrate this life with us.
    Without Palestine
    This unity’s a lie!
    … ” and etc.

    In my wildest dreams my brother Roger Waters would take this song and make something of it for our Palestinian family.

    Such love I have for that man, and such eternal gratitude!

    Thank you for the oportunity to express these thoughts, Saker, even though I don’t have the capacity to stream the interview at this moment. Congratulations on your getting to speak with such a great man. May the wave of joy carry you forward.

    With love,

  12. What a nice surprise! Thanks for the interview and the two excellent lockdown sessions. A lot of heart there, and hope.

  13. @War for Blair Mountain

    I would defund the US Military…completely…


    I doubt even the great Mr. Waters would agree with that.

  14. Anon[390] • Disclaimer says:

    Occupation of the American Mind

  15. Another fabulous treat here on Unz (and the Saker’s blog, where I first saw this) which serves to remind us that there are at least some luminaries out there who truly ‘get it’ and care about the suffering of others world-wide, and that endlessly work to see international bullies eventually be cut down to size. Sadly, they seem to be few and far between, as the ziocorporate world has essentially unlimited resources to smash and silence those voices who openly oppose such cruelty, greed and organized psychopathy at the highest levels. Kudos to those, like Roger Waters, who fight on and do not submit.

    What I found striking was Roger’s strongly voiced concern that the ‘elites’ don’t give shit about the world and have no problem destroying it in their quest for unlimited profits.

    I am currently seeing something of the opposite, to my mind, wherein the ‘elites’ have apparently figured out we are now truly at the environmental precipice, the tipping point, and they are collectively doing something about it. Being psychopathically selfish, it seems they want our world to themselves, devoid of recalcitrant useless eaters, with only the most ardent guinea sheeples left for whom the command “Obey!” is not a four letter word of the dirtiest, most disgusting and infuriating kind, but a mantra that serenades them to welcome somnambulism and delicious submission as willing neo-feudal serfs waiting for their next UBI deposit into their digital social credit accounts, in their wholly-rented and utterly expendable existences (as per WEF dictates.)

    Today it is Covid and “The Jab”. Tomorrow……… who knows?

    Again, many thanks to The Saker, Roger Waters and of course, Ron Unz, all of whom make this possible for us Unzers……. 🙂

    • Replies: @Jefferson Temple
  16. If anyone can continue to be a fan of Waters after subjecting themselves to The Final Cut and The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking, they’re a bigger fan than me. But then again a lot of people loved “Learning to Fly” era Floyd, which I thought was obviously fatally suffering from his absence.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  17. Saker

    We may have to harness the Supernatural resources of the Universe to destroy the Great Evil we are up against…..permanent obliteration…..hopefully, the Yellowstone Caldera will erupt soon…..

  18. @War for Blair Mountain

    I’m sure we here in Europe want rid of these occupiers and so do the people of Japan and South Korea and everywhere else Milley’s Maggots are enslaving people under the deranged banners of LGBTQRFEH …., feminism and BLMism …. in the name of “diversity” and “democracy” that only a tiny minority want anything to do with.

  19. To be clear, I do not want to make this a vax or not debate. I want to point out that there is a ONE big inconsitancy between what the interviewer (the Saker) states and asks in this interview versus what he does on his site. That one thing being injections (aka vaccinations)


    I do not get the Saker these times. In this interview (last question of it) he asks how to keep hope and courage during these hard and dark times (to summarise it & these are hard times). Mr. Waters answers it very well.

    On his site people he made it very clear at the beginning of Covid that Covid was not a topic for his blog and would censor all since his blog is about Russia, weapon systems, (info)war(s), zone A & B and related but nothing else. I found that a great decision since a blog should have focus. I came to the Saker blog for just that. After all, if I want to read about medical stuff I would go to a medical blog. Of course run by someone that I can consider trustfull and inspirational.

    I truely do not understand why the Saker all out of the blue given his readers, bots, crazies and the likes suddenly all the space on his site. It would have been a good discussion on his site if it was moderated since mr Unz made a good case it was biological warfare thus right up the Sakers blog alley. But no, that did not happen. Fortunately mr. Unz given a good forum to rationally discuss things, spam blocked.

    Strangely, many intelligent talk about the injections (aka vaccines) in them posts were ignored and the Saker decided to pick out only outrages anti vaxx posts (and not the outragious pro jabs posts) to conclude stating that people who do not want this jab are basically all insane idiots not worthy to talk with. I really felt upset when that was written. The Saker I knew for years as a totally non political guy and analist to totally political within a little over a year on the Corona theme.

    Earlier during Corona the Saker wrote about the 5 steps from wanting to remain unjabbed to get them stabbed. Are you really sure, the Saker, you at not at the moment createing more darkness in this the Covid world? Why sowing this kind of deviding and conquering stuff among your readers that can make up their own mind? All that Corona talk you once, rightly, banned you now are in my mind a part of. Totally pre empire stuff. What happened? (I doubt I get that answered)

    So please the Saker, go do what you do well and reconsider your position on forced injections,

    To talk to the one person I respect very much as well talking about resisting and freedom and also pushing hard for forced injections and rejection of all who refuses forced medical treatment undermines your standing so much if you ask me. Unless your agenda is of course going back to the horrors of the Soviet Union kind of times in its darkest times.

    Really, your position on it does not compute to me. Again, hope to not offencnd the rules here but when a hypocrite speaks I have to counter it. And no, I wont burn the books I have bought written by you the Saker. They were worth a lot and still are worth a lot. But what you did on the injection debate….. sad beyond measure. Go back to that, you do that very well. On the injection debate, shut up and stop being hypocritical please.

    You cannot say, Palistinians, be free and on the other hand, lock up all them crazies (and worse) that refuse experimentant ”medical” treatment. Make a choice man, either you are for apartheit (and it seems you are) or you are not. Dont use the vig leave called the Palastinians.


    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  20. Yep, that’s the way with great bands that break up. I can’t think of one break-up where the members went on to make more inspiring music than they had together. I like Waters’ post-Floyd work, especially Amused to Death, and Momentary Lapse was very listenable, but none of it compares to The Wall or their masterpiece (IMHO), Wish You Were Here.

    • Replies: @Notsofast
  21. @mijj

    “why is he ignored?” Because even today, most people have not heard of him. Probably because he burned out almost at the start. But not to worry, the crazy diamond will always shine on in the minds of Floydphiles, Given that Barrett wasn’t around to contribute to 70s Floyd, it’s fair to give a lot of credit to Waters for the creativity. Not to downplay the talents of Gilmour, Wright and Mason, of course.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  22. Notsofast says:
    @Jefferson Temple

    buffalo springfield, the hollies, and byrds broke up and crosby, stills, nash, and young was born. the break up of the yardbirds produces cream, jeff beck group and led zeppelin.

    • Replies: @Jefferson Temple
  23. @Notsofast

    That would be truly awesome to see Waters, Gilmour, and Atzmon play together. Throw in a good keyboard player for the Floyd’s repertoire–say, Jay Darlington, formerly of Kula Shaker and Oasis–and you’ve got a potential monster band there.

  24. @Sollipsist

    Try Roger’s early 90s solo album Amused to Death. Jeff Beck provides a Gilmour-esque guitar landscape and the rest of the instrumentals are topnotch. Roger provides an exceptionally grumpy critique of humanity in this one.

    • Thanks: Sollipsist
  25. @Notsofast

    I agree with you. Technically, the break up of those bands led to even better bands. BUT, that’s because the bands were created from a new combination of multiple talents.

    I was thinking more of bands like the Beatles where they went solo. (Wings had some good songs but they didn’t rise to Beatle quality). I also thought of Genesis but it’s debatable whether Peter Gabriel or Phil Collins outshine their old band.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  26. Rambam says:

    Reality check.
    George Roger Waters and David Gilmour are both Crypto Jews. The rest of the band probably is too. The music industry is just like Hollywood, if you aren’t the right pedigree you aren’t becoming a star, let alone a superstar. That’s just the way it is goyim.
    Furthermore, Waters is from the British peerage, descended from British royalty. He had it made even if he never sold a record. Don’t believe those Wiki background stories that these stars are from working class families. Coal miner’s son. Hah! It’s all B.S. Part of the con.
    Waters feels terrible about what his people did to the Palestinians. He’s playing a role. He’s an actor. I feel bad about what they do to everyone. The Saker should change his name to The Sucker. There’s one born every minute.
    Unless, of course, he’s in on the scam.
    Pull up a picture of Waters and take a look at that schnoz.
    Reminds you of John Lennon, doesn’t it? 😉


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  27. Farhad says:

    Hey, RamBam, for all the evil in Maimonides’ soul, he was not an imbecile.
    Use another alias, Donald Duck maybe?
    Or door-handle?

  28. @Notsofast

    I agree, re the Wall — good but still a bit over rated.
    However, the Final Cut is a true classic, which simply means it transcends it’s own time.

  29. @Rambam

    Ten comments!! Pure troll. Nassty with it.

  30. @Farhad

    All snark, no substance. Perfect modern comment.

  31. @Mustapha Mond

    Maybe I am missing something but I doubt that we are anywhere near an “environmental precipice.” More like the elites have noticed that they cannot get us to concede control of our lives and autonomy to the degree they would like by just repeating the phony climate change narrative. Apparently the war on terror story wasn’t good enough either. And so we have a phony pandemic to finish off what was left of our freedom.

  32. I’ve always like David Gilmour the best out of Pink Floyd. While Waters was undoubtedly the better songwriter, Gilmour was more of a musician’s musician. His guitar playing ranks up there with some of the best, and he had a much better voice than Waters overall (although Waters’ trademark slightly off-tune vocalizing did fit better with the mood of many of their songs). Gilmour was also a better bass player than Waters, and he played some parts that were too difficult for Waters (Pigs – 3 Different Ones from the Animals LP is a good example). He also seemed to have a more even-keeled personality than Waters. And speaking of being a musician’s musician, he also promoted the careers of younger musicians – Kate Bush being the best example.

  33. Exile says:

    As much as my own experience with Roger and Pink Floyd mirror’s Saker’s here (they’ve been my favorite band since “The Wall”), Roger’s catty self-promotion shows a sour side of him, the guy who Richard Wright referred to as “Mrs. Misery.”

    “I’m Pink Floyd,” “my song Time…” etc… How much adulation and credit does Roger need before he will allow anyone else any spotlight or kudos? In this sense he’s a great-hearted liberal when it comes to grand abstractions but a petty, spiteful miser when it comes to more personal relations.

    He’s indisputably brilliant and arguably the greatest lyricist of his generation (which as a group have yet to be matched by those younger), but I always come away from any interview with Roger of any length with a sense of what a shame it is that he’s such an a*shole regarding the guys who got him to where he is today. He’s very “Boomer” in this regard.

  34. @mijj

    Syd Barrett is ignored because of the demolition job done on him by EMI, with the collusion of the young Roger Waters, who was always, and still is, jealous of Syd Barrett. Syd Barrett still remains the true star, and always will. Syd was lucky he wasn’t murdered, like so many of the White geniuses of the Sixties music scene. Syd was not an “acid casualty”, that is the smear used to justify his ousting from Pink Floyd. Syd’s solo work was brilliant. My favorite story of Syd Barrett is told my a studio tech who worked on one of the ’70’s Floyd albums. Syd came to the studio to do a guitar solo for the album. The tech said Syd started to play and it sounded totally fucked up, the tech said he thought OMG, the stories are all true, Syd really is insane. Then Syd finished playing, he looked up with a sly smile and simply said “Turn over the tape.” As the tech stated in the interview, “And that’s the solo you hear on the album.” For those who don’t know about magnetic tape recording, by turning over the tape reel, the machine plays the tape backwards.

  35. Rurik says:

    Roger Waters is an asshole.

    Went to a concert in Miami, and he turned the whole thing into a political rant for his personal hatred for Trump. With images of Trump sucking huge dicks, at a concert where there were quite a few youngsters.

    No one came to see this egomaniac froth his political bile. We all spent the money for the music.

    And to top it off, this shithead hypocrite was railing against Trump for his ‘greed’, while charging up to \$2000.00 for a ticket.

    Fuck Roger Waters.

    He’s right on Palestine, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  36. Anonymous[716] • Disclaimer says:

    Completely agree. Who cares if he’s right about Palestine (and he is), anyone who looks to a rock star (and that’s what he is, not an “artist”) for social/political insight is a good example of PT Barnum’s maxim.

  37. I liked the Floyd a lot when I was in my late teens and saw them perform live in 1969.

    At the time they were very popular because their lengthy pulsating tracks made a great accompaniment to getting high on marijuana or hashish.

    My favorites included Saucerful of Secrets, Set the Controls For the Heart of the Sun, Interstellar Overdrive, and Astronomy Domine. Far out, man!

    With Atom Heart Mother and Dark Side of the Moon, the Floyd pretty much perfected their style with Alan Parsons at London’s Abbey Road Studios, where the Beatles’ masterwork Sergeant Peppers Lonely Hearty Club Band was also recorded–and the rest was icing on the cake.

    Never thought much of the much vaunted Syd Barrett. Songs like See Emily Play and Arnold Layne were OK, I suppose, but at that point in time the band was struggling to find an identity which crystalized more with their space rock era and the next few albums.

    I grew out of the Floyd and more into jazz, but still enjoy playing the odd track on Youtube. Never imagined I would listen to them 50 years later.

  38. @Jefferson Temple

    It is more complex than that, because it depends on the structure of the initial band.

    A common pattern for the formation of rock bands at a young age is that two creative performers get together in secondary school and maybe add on an instrumentalist, and a drummer to form a band.

    These players will usually be recruited from their own local geographical music scene, so it helps if you are in a musically active city. (The founders of Pink Floyd will mostly from around Cambridge, The Beatles from Liverpool, and the Rolling Stones from the London area.)

    So in fact the founders are the owner managers, and the other players are employees.

    Sometimes supergroups were formed as a type of All Star team from members of successful bands.

    When bands split up and went their own way, typically the creative members would find further success, but the employees who traded on their association by fans with the original band were less successful.

    In cases where the original band was incredibly successful, even the dimmer musical lights like Ringo Starr were able to bask in the reflected glory and publish songs on group albums under their own names, that they may or may not actually have penned themselves.

    Or if singers had distinctive voices, then they could and would succeed in a variety of formats. For example Diana Ross and Rod Stewart did not need bands to find recording success.

    Also consider the history of jazz bands. Band leaders and virtuoso instrumentalists like Benny Goodman, Artie Shaw, and Louis Armstrong recorded with studio bands of session musicians, but often went on the road with quite different bands.

    Miles Davis was more of a composer and arranger than a virtuoso player, but hired virtuoso players like John Coltrane for some of his best recorded work. Wynton Marsalis is a virtuoso horn player by any standards, and yet how many people can name even a single member of any of his bands?

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