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Europe is in free fall. Nobody can doubt that any more. In fact, the EU is simultaneously suffering from several severe problems and any one of these could potentially become catastrophic. Let’s look at them one by one.

The 28 member EU makes no economic sense

The most obvious problem for the EU is that it makes absolutely no economic sense. Initially, in the early 1950s, there was a small group of not too dissimilar nations which decided to integrate their economies. These were the so-called Inner Six who founded the European Community (EC): Belgium, France, West Germany, Italy, Luxembourg, and the Netherlands. In 1960 this “core group” was joined by seven more countries, the Outer Seven, who were unwilling to join the EC but wanted to join a European Free Trade Association (EFTA). These were Austria, Denmark, Norway, Portugal, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom. Together these countries formed what could loosely be called “most of western Europe”.

For all their faults, these treaties did reflect a reality – that the countries participating in them had much in common and that their peoples wanted to join forces. After 1960, the history of the European integration and expansion became very complicated and while it progressed in zig-zags with regular setbacks, at the end of the day this process ended growing uncontrollably, just like a malignant tumor. Today the EU includes 28(!) member states including all of what used to be called “central” and “eastern” Europe – even the ex-Soviet Baltic Republics are now part of this new union. The problem is that while such an expansion was attractive to the European elites for ideological reasons, such huge expansion makes no economic sense at all. What do Sweden, Germany, Latvia, Greece, and Bulgaria have in common? Very little, of course.

Now cracks are clearly appearing. The Greek crisis and the threat of a “Grexit” has the potential for a domino effect involving the rest of the so-called “PIGS” (Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain). Even France is threatened by the consequences of this crisis. The European currency – the Euro – is “a currency without a mission”: is it supposed to support the German economy or the Greek one? Nobody knows, at least officially. In reality, of course, everybody understands that Frau Merkel is running the show. Quickfix solutions, which is what the Eurobureaucrats are offering, only buy time, but they are offering no solution to what is clearly a systemic problem: the completely artificial nature of a 28 member EU.

As for the the obvious solution, to give up on the crazy dream of a 28 member EU, it is so absolutely politically unacceptable that it won’t even be discussed although everyone fears it.

The EU is on the verge of a social and cultural collapse

The undeniable reality is simple as it is stark:

  • The EU cannot absorb so many refugees
  • The EU does not have the means to stop them

A massive influx of refugees presents a very complex security problem which EU countries are not equipped to deal with. All EU countries have three basic instruments they can use to protect themselves from unrest, disorders, crime or invasions: the special/security services, the police forces and the military. The problem is that neither of these are capable of dealing with a refugee crises.

The special/security services are hopelessly outnumbered when dealing with a refugee crisis. Besides, their normal target (career criminal, spies, terrorists) are few and far in between in a typical wave of refugees. Refugees are mostly families, often extended ones, and while they sometimes include criminal gangs, this is far from always the case. The problem is that if, say, 10% of Kosovars are drug dealers, that gives a bad name to all the refugees from Kosovo and the refugees themselves ended up being treated like criminals. Finally, special/security services rely very heavily on informants and foreign gangs are hard to infiltrate. They often also speak difficult languages which only few local language specialists master. As a result, most of the time the EU security services are clueless as to how to deal with the security problem presented to them, if only because they lack the personnel and means to keep track of so many people.

In contrast, cops have an advantage of sorts: they are literally everywhere and they typically have a good sense of the “beat on the street”. However, their powers are severely limited and they need to get a court order to do most of their work. Cops also mostly deal with local criminals, whereas most refugees are neither local, nor criminals. The sad reality is that most of what cops do in a refugee crisis is provide riot police – hardly a solution to anything.

As for the armed forces, the very best they can do is to try to help close a border. In some cases, they can assist the police forces in case of civil disturbances, but that’s about it.

Thus the various states of the EU neither have the means to lock their borders, deport most refugees, nor control them. Sure, there will always be politicians who will make promises about how they are going to send all these refugees back home, but that is a crude and blatant lie. The vast majority of these refugees are fleeing war, famine and abject poverty and there is no way anybody is going to send them back home.

Keeping them, however, is also impossible, at least in a cultural sense. For all the doubleplusgoodthinking propaganda about integrating all races, creeds and cultures the reality is that there is absolutely nothing the EU has to offer to these refugees to make them want to integrate it. For all its sins and problems, at least the US is offering an “American dream” which, false as it might be, still inspires people worldwide, especially the unsophisticated and poorly educated. Not only that, but American society has little culture to begin with. Ask yourself, what is “American culture?” If anything, it is really a “melting pot” rather than a “tossed salad” – meaning that whatever enters the melting pot loses its original identity while the overall mixture of the pot fails to produce a true indigenous culture, at least not in a European sense of the word.

Europe is or, should I say, used to be radically different from the USA. There used to be real, deep, cultural differences between the various regions and provinces of each European country. A Basque is most definitely not an Catalan, a Marseillais is not a Breton, etc. As for the differences between an German and a Greek – they are simply huge. The result from the current refugee crisis is that all European cultures are now directly threatened in their identity and their life style. This is often blamed on Islam, but the reality is that African Christians don’t integrate any better. Neither do the Christian Gypsies, by the way. As a result, clashes happen literally everywhere – in shops, streets, schools, etc. There is not a single country in Europe where these clashes are not threatening the social order. These daily clashes result in crime, repression, violence and the ghettoization of both the immigrants and of the locals, who leave their traditional suburbs and move to less immigrant-saturated areas.

[Aside: to my American readers who might think “so what? we have ghettos in the US too” I will say that what the French call “zones de non-droit” (non-law zones) are far worse than anything you could see in the USA. And keep in mind that no country in the EU has the kind of huge, militarized, police forces which every major US city now has. Neither is there the equivalent of the US National Guard. At best, there are anti-riot forces like the French CRS, but they can only do so much.]

The level of aggravation suffered by many, if not most, Europeans directly resulting from this crisis in immigration is hard to describe to somebody who has not seen it. And since voicing such frustrations was considered “racist” or “xenophobic” by the powers that be (at least until recently – this is progressively changing now), this deep resentment is mostly kept hidden, but it is perceptible nonetheless. And the immigrants most definitely feel it. Every day. And, again, this is why the notion of a US-style “melting pot” in Europe ain’t happening: the only thing Europe has to offer to all these hundreds of thousands of refugees is a silent hostility fed by fear, outrage, disgust and helplessness. Even those locals who used to be refugees themselves in the past (immigrants from North Africa, for example) are now disgusted and very hostile to the new wave of refugees coming in. And, of course, not a single refugee coming to Europe believes in any “European dream”.

Last but not least, these refugees are a huge burden on the local economies and the social services which were never designed to cope with such an influx of needy “clients”.

For the foreseeable future the prognosis is clear: more of the same, only worse, possibly much worse.

The EU is just a colony of the United States unable to defend her own interests

The EU is ruled by a class of people who have completely sold themselves to the United States. The best examples of this sorry state of affairs is the Libyan debacle which saw the US and France completely destroy the most developed country in Africa only to now have hundreds of thousands of refugees cross the Mediterranean and seek refuge from war in the EU. This outcome could have been very easy to predict, and yet the European countries did nothing to prevent it. In fact, all these Obama Wars (Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan) have resulted in huge movements of refugees. Add to this the chaos in Egypt, Mali and the poverty all over Africa and you have a mass-exodus which no amount of wall-building, ditch-digging or refugee tear gassing will stop. And if that was not enough, the EU committed what can only be called political and economic suicide by allowing the Ukraine to explode into a major civil war involving 45 million people, a completely destroyed economy and a bona fide Nazi regime in power. That outcome was also easy to predict. But all the Euro-bureaucrats did is to impose self-defeating economic sanctions on Russia which ended up providing exactly the kind of conditions needed for the Russian economy to finally diversify and begin producing locally instead of importing everything from abroad.

It might be worth recalling here that after WWII Europe was basically occupied territory. The Soviets had the central-eastern part while the US/UK had the western part. We all have been conditioned to assume that the people living under the “oppression” of what the US propaganda called the “Warsaw Pact” (in reality called the “Warsaw Treaty Organization”) were less free than those who lived under the “protection” of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Nevermind that the term “North Atlantic” was coined deliberately to tie western Europe to the USA, the central issue here is that while in many ways the folks in the West were, indeed, granted many more freedoms than those in the East, the US/UK occupied part of Europe never recovered true sovereignty either. And just as the Soviets carefully nurtured a local comprador elite in each East European country, so did the USA in the West. The big difference only appeared in the late 1980s/early 1990s when the entire Soviet-run system came crashing down while the US-run system came out reinforced as a result of the Soviet collapse. If anything, since 1991 the US iron grip over the EU became even stronger than before.

The sad reality is simple: the EU is a US colony, run by US puppets who are simply unable to stand up for basic and obvious European interests.

The EU is in a deep political crisis

Up until the late 1980s, there used to be some more or less “real” opposition “Left” parties in Europe. In fact, Italy and France the Communists almost came to power. But as soon as the Soviet system collapsed, all the European opposition parties either vanished or were rapidly co-opted by the system. And, just as in the US, former Trotskysts became Neocons almost overnight. As a result, Europe lost the little opposition it had to the Anglo-Zionist Empire and became a “politically pacified” land. What the French call “la pensée unique” or the “single thought” has now triumphed, at least if one judges by the corporate media. Politics has turned into a make believe show where various actors pretend to deal with real issues when in reality all they talk about are invented, artificially created “problems” which they then “solve” (homosexual “marriage” being the perfect example). The only form of meaningful politics left in the EU is separatism (Scottish, Basque, Catalan, etc.) but so far, it has failed to produce any alternative.

In this brave new world of pretend politics nobody is in charge of real problems which are never tackled directly, but only shoved under the carpet until the next election and that inevitably only worsens everything. As for the EU’s Anglo-Zionist overlords, they don’t care what happens unless their own interests are directly affected.

You could say that the Titanic is sinking and the orchestra keeps playing, and you would be close to the truth. Everybody hates the Captain and crew, but nobody know whom to replace them with.

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  1. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Much of the same could be said about the Russian federation. Saker, you are Russian expat living int the US. Don’t pretend you really have any insights into the European situation besides some internet talking points.

  2. Individual European nations could defend themselves from the alien invaders from Africa and the Middle East. The EU was established precisely so that would not and could not happen.

    • Replies: @Irish Savant
    , @Giuseppe
    , @SFG
  3. tom says:

    And these poor defenceless refugees will be targeted as scapegoats, which will predictably be used like it always has to bring the despicable Reicht-wing hate and fear campaign, into giving them more political power.
    Like it always has, the class war which has destroyed middle class, along with most of the rest of the country, will be the ripe conditions for the scapegoating of refugees from the right wing – to turn into the reicht-wing – to then come into power.

  4. “The EU does not have the means to stop them”

    Utter and total balderdash! There is a clear and simple solution, that employed by Australia. Immediately return all illegals landing on EU territory. Such knowledge will stop the deluge instantaneously.

    • Replies: @AlexT
    , @JonL
  5. Romanian says:

    Those poor defenceless refugees, especially the ones on the boats out of N. Africa, are mostly young men in the prime of their life, of military age. They are a veritable invasion force. Who do they owe money to for the ride? Their families, terrorist, criminals? What are they expected to do for the money? Chain migration, terrorism, drug running, insider ops? What are they running from – is it their own crimes? Do they carry disease? Are they mentally scarred from a life of abuse? Are they just waiting to go Vester Flanagan or Charlie Hebdo on us? Or will it take rejection from some Euro piece of tail to send them over the edge? Whata re their beliefs and in what way are they compatible with standard Euro behavior? We know answers to none of these question.

    Many of them do not even fit the definition of refugees – this is why they carry no identification, and refuse to state their countries of origin, so they cannot be deported. They know a lot more about us than we do about them. We cannot tell a Senegalese from an Ivorian, or recognize the hundreds of languages spoken in W. Africa alone. They can play the heartstrings and the knowledge game safely knowing that, in Spain, for instance, they have to release them in the general population after 40 days if they have nowhere to deport them. Then it is onward to Germany. Even the real refugees are mucking it up, because they should be shacking up in the first safe country they reach, like Turkey or Morocco, not effing Italy or Germany. This is another abuse that should cause the immediate withdrawal of the affected countries from the Convention that governs refugee rules, and let every country decide on a whim who it takes. Though the current policies are whimsical enough.

    • Agree: Horzabky
    • Replies: @Shaka
    , @Kat Grey
    , @Anonymous
  6. Tom_R says:


    Thanks for the interesting post, Sir. I would like to add 2 points:

    1. EU was set up to bring the whole of Europe under Jewish control.

    The Jewish President of the European Union brags that they set up the EU so the Judaists can control all European Nations:

    As per an interview in Haaretz:

    European Union established ‘on the lessons of Auschwitz’ as a framework for ‘mutual control to avoid one member passing uncontrollably in a dangerous direction’, Martin Schultz says.

    2. ‘Migrant” crisis: The alien invasion can easily be controlled by these countries, which have world class military and navies, but, I suspect the politicians are being bribed by the Judaists who want to destroy the goyim and ordered to allow this alien invasion to continue.

    Eg. Jewish hatemonger alienist Barbara Lerner Spectre openly incited more blacks to invade Sweden (videos on youtube).

    European nations must use their navies to patrol their coastal waters and prevent these alien ships and boats from entering. European naval forces can blockade these ships, and order them to return. If they do not return, the European Navy officers can board them and arrest the captain (who can then be tried for invasion, which should be made a capital offense), transfer the invaders back via another ship, and destroy the ship that brought them, so the ship owners cannot reuse it and suffer a big loss, making the racket unprofitable. It is legal to seize the ship and destroy it under the doctrine of instruments of crime (it is called arrest of property).

    If somebody invaded your house, you have a LEGAL AND MORAL right to shoot the invader. European nations similarly have a right to fire on these ships and torpedo them, as this is an act of war and the military has a right to repel the invasion, under the same doctrine. The reason they are not doing that is because the politicians are being bribed or threatened by the Judaists that the fake illegal EU Kangaroo courts (which they have stuffed with their Jewish friends) will try them for ‘crimes against humanity’ or some other scam for attacking the invaders, though these countries have a legal right to do so.

    People need to protest in all these countries, demand a total ban on immigration, deportation of aliens, binding superseding national referenda, get out of EU and use their armies to repel these invasions.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @Anonymous
  7. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Saker never lived in Russia. He did live in Europe, though, for a long time. Maybe you should get your facts straight before you comment.

    • Agree: Tom Welsh
    • Replies: @krollchem
  8. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    No, nothing of the same could be said about Russia,
    – where people of hundreds different nationalities, cultures and religions peacefully coexist during *centuries* without losing their identity.
    – Russian economy does make sense. It is self-sufficient country with low debt.
    – Russia is not a colony of US. Unlike EU, Russia has independent policy.
    – Russia definitely does not have any political crisis.

    As for the Saker, he is 4th generation emigre, his ancestors emigrated from Russia after Civil War. He spent his childhood in Argentina and fluent in Spanish. And he spent most of his life in Western Europe, before being forced immigrate to US of A. (I guess he was living in France, since he is fluent in French).

    In my opinion, his analysis is indeed very interesting and spot-on. While your arrogant comment is irrelevant and does not add anything valuable to this discussion.

    What is your “insights” you cocky armchair analyst?

    • Agree: Bill Jones, Marian
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  9. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Why doesn’t he live in glorious Russia then, where everything is healthy and “makes sense”?

    • Replies: @5371
    , @Anonymous
  10. “The EU does not have the means to stop them[.]”


    To begin, the EU must end its copious welfare (cash handouts, housing, victualing, medical care, and a plethora of other taxpayer-paid social services) to non-citizens. Switch off the lamp and the moths flit away to another light source.

    Secondly, EU countries must intercept imminvader vessels and return them to the shores from which they sailed; and the EU must transfer would-be imminvaders from unseaworthy invasion craft to EU vessels which would then return the would-be imminvaders to the non-European shore of the passengers’ choice. The message would hit home with great speed and powerful impact.

    Thirdly, EU countries can deport non-citizens.

    All of this is chiefly a matter not of means but of will. It is as Napoléon wrote: “In war, the moral is to the material as three is to one.” At present Europe has spinelessly ceded the moral to those imminvading Europe.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  11. krollchem says:

    Thanks for putting “anonymous” in his place. It is a shame that so many commentators lack the knowledge and education to make constructive comments that aid in understanding problems.

    The Saker correctly sees the failure of the “a new age of inclusivity, diversity, universal human rights, deep play, sustainability, universal human rights, the rights of nature, and peace on Earth”. (The European Dream by Jeremy Rifkin). The cause of this failure is linked to the American and Western Europe political elites choosing Atlanticism rather than Eurasian integration (See Mike Whitney’s articles on this topic). The New American Century cannot allow Europe to deepen economic ties with Russian, China, India and Iran and the facts on the ground support a grand strategy to capture Europe or destroy it rather than allow economic integration.

    The American Empire is suffering along with the rest of the world as described in numerous articles in Economic websites such as Zero Hedge. America is using TTIP as a tool to attempt the capture market share and control of the European economic sphere. The American engineered coup in Ukraine served as a wedge to economically separate Western Europe from Eurasia, via sanctions, and deepen the plunder of Western Europe. The US led wars (with European support) in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and even Mali killed over three million civilians and has led to the refugee influx into Europe, in much the same way as US wars in Central and South America has led to refugees that flee the repressive governments that America installed (See General Smidley Butler for background on this long term American bullying).

    Europe is to be looted so that the American Dream can continue a little longer at the expense of the European Dream. Sadly, Family and friends in Western Europe are self adsorbed with vacations and socializing and choose to let the governments do what they want up to the time it is necessary to take down the governments. Such a non-engaged “childish” attitude is common in Europe and there are not enough “adults” to turn this around.

    • Replies: @uddeboda
  12. MarkinLA says:

    Then it would behoove the immigrants to stay out of Europe for their own good.

  13. Count Richard Nicolaus Coudenhove Kalergi is the founding father.

    Read his book ‘Practical Idealism’ with his plan to “turn the European into a mixed race of Asians and Negroes ruled over by the Jews.”

  14. 5371 says:

    It seems you are going to simply ignore the fact that every word in your previous comment was shown to be false.

  15. Uddeboda says:

    You were right with your reply, like most Americans, they blabb lies and hate about Europé, without ever been here

  16. uddeboda says:

    OK, so these people who come to European countries, whether they are illegals, immigrants, asylum seekers………..most of the people who hate their guts call them illegals………so the state give them Money, in Sweden, lets say a family of 4, they get a roof over their heads, and they get about 6100 Swedish kr a month…..thats about £460, from which they have to buy, food, clothing, shoes, travel, and electricity in the new””homes””, andI know for a fact that they struggle, so where does this Money go to,it goes to the shop keepers and VAT,which is 12% on food and 25% on Everything else……….so the Money they receive comes back to the country and so many call these people benefits suckers

    • Replies: @Drapetomaniac
  17. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “I will say that what the French call “zones de non-droit” (non-law zones) are far worse than anything you could see in the USA”

    Making stuff up or just being clueless?

  18. Vendetta says:

    As far as quickfix solutions go, Europe needs a Diocletian to partition the EU into a Northern European Union and the Southern European Union. Put the rich and poor countries on different currencies better suited to their economic needs, put the barriers back up against brain drain and undesirable mass immigration from the poor countries to the rich countries, and allow each to make their own rules for their own self-interests without having to do at the expense of the other half of Europe.

  19. Lucid writing, Saker. Thanks.

    I take issue with this statement:

    EU committed what can only be called political and economic suicide by allowing the Ukraine to explode into a major civil war involving 45 million people, a completely destroyed economy and a bona fide Nazi regime in power.

    We — that is, all of the West and some of the rest — have been brainwashed for over 80 years to associate “Nazi” with brutality, thuggishness, depravity, killing, etc.

    It ain’t true.

    If NSDAP were understood accurately and honestly for what it confronted — an immigration situation much like what EU experiences today; and how it dealt with the problem — by removing the invading and disruptive elements in a rational and nonviolent way while simultaneously rebuilding the German economy, building improved housing for workers, undertaking infrastructure improvements, removing Germany from the central banking debt-credit-trap, ensuring their honest employment and compensation, and unifying the nation on valorization of longstanding German cultural values, then “a bona fide Nazi regime in power” in Ukraine would be a dream come true.

    Why not call the thugs who are running Ukraine bona fide Kaganites? or bona fide neo-Bolshevik/Trotskyites?

    • Replies: @krollchem
    , @SFG
    , @HLMunchkin
  20. Realist says:

    “The EU does not have the means to stop them.”

    The EU does not have the balls to stop them.

  21. The EU is just a colony of the United States unable to defend her own interests

    “Her”? I’m all for the personification of nations, but the EU ? I can’t decide if they are an “it”, or it is a “they”.

    The EU does not have the balls to stop them.

    Eunuchs, not ladies.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  22. JohnDough says:

    What goes around comes around. The first hostile alien group let into Europe and the US were the Jews. They have in their midst many xenophobic control freaks and cannot see how their group actions produce unintended consequences for their entire group. This has happened in every society they’ve lived in because they can’t understand cause and effect. Their tendency to control societies has fallen back on them many times and with much violence.

    Since 1965 when Jewish politicians helped open the floodgates of 3rd world immigration in the US the invasion of America had begun. Now it’s a huge problem because decent immigration laws were never enforced for decades. Earlier there was even a substantial Jewish involvement with the slave trade and everybody knows how well that turned out after centuries.

    The same scenario is going on in the EU. The EU decided to back wars in the Middle East. These were US wars, corporate wars, and wars for Israel. You can see how Congress worships Netanyahu, this is accomplished through group solidarity (Jewish), propaganda, bribery, and intimidation. They’ve created huge refugee populations. Now the populations are headed for the EU. That’s what the EU gets for aiding Israel and the US!

    Interesting how it mirrors America. “Never Again,” is the Jewish cry against all Gentiles who they think are always out to get them for no reason whatsoever. By destroying the white nations the Jews can easily hide, divide, and maintain their positions and take political and economic advantage while the countries are Balkanized, just like the way they do it to the countries that threaten Israel in the Middle East. Just look at maps of Palestine over the years and you can see a great graphic representation of how they work. A piece by piece approach, a little bit at a time but they never give up or stop lying.

    Just as stated in the article above that says the EU doesn’t have the means to stop the immigration influx which is certainly not true, Israel says it can’t stop the building of illegal settlements in the occupied territories, though the government of Israel supports and subsidizes them. So EU take a good look at what not controlling immigration in the US or settlements in Palestine has wrought. Do you want it to be Europe’s future?

  23. krollchem says:

    Please spend a few months studying the situation in Ukraine and you will find that Neo-Nazi’s (Sloboda party) control the security services and national guard of Ukraine and are leading members of the Rada. The right-wing (Right Sector party) NAZI leaning militias serve as the front line anti-Russian troops and inflict most of the civilian casualties in DPR/LPR cities and towns. Note also their use of Waffen-SS symbols on flags and uniforms and Nazi codes at the Maiden coup (e.g. 88 and 14).

    You are right about the Kaganite role in the illegal coup by Nuland-Kagan (a Hillery Harpie) and Pratt. Just because someone is Jewish doesn’t mean they they cannot support Nazi governments as evidenced by Kolomoski’s support for the Adar units, as well as the Chechen terrorist units being trained to attack Crimea.

    As I posted further up in the discussion, the Ukraine civil war is about preventing Western European economic ties with Eurasia and weakening Russia (the grand chessboard). Within Ukraine the looting by the US installed leaders will continue that of the Russian backed ones that they replaced. They are joined by US agricultural business interests such as Monsanto and oil/gas fracking interests led by VP Biden’s son.

    If you have kept up with Western economic analysis of Ukraine you will know that it will take about a trillion US dollars (not including looted monies by the rich) to bring Ukraine up to Western European standards. Do not count on the US to pony up the money, which means the EU will pick up the tab in either funds or refugees.

    The little people in Ukraine will continue to suffer at the hands of sociopaths.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  24. I spent 3 weeks in Sweden and was surprised at the diversity of the CentralTerminalen (bus/train hub) of Syrians, Ethiopians, Somali, Asians, etc who worked and even was part of the social milieu in the stores/shops in the local area. There was even a few train lines where not a Swede was in sight due to the perception of the many that the foreigners were an evil horde or better yet, that area or areas was for foreigners only.

  25. Shaka says:

    Finally karma for all the western invasions.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    , @backup
    , @Anonymus
  26. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The British politician, Enoch Powell, said all this 40 years ago.
    Back then, ‘clever’ ‘trendy’ people just laughed at him.

    • Agree: E. Burke, CK
  27. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    EU -nuchs, of course.

  28. Pacific says:

    Refugees have one thing going for them numbers there are 50 Million

    • Replies: @Realist
  29. backup says:

    Well, I do live in Europe and I think his observations are right.

  30. Seraphim says:

    The Saker is a second generation Russian born in Europe, living now in USA.

  31. Seraphim says:

    @EU was set up to bring the whole of Europe under Jewish control.

    This aim was precisely defined in unambiguous terms by the “Godfather” of United Europe, the Count Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi in 1925.

    In his book Praktischer Idealismus (Practical Idealism), he wrote:
    “ The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today’s races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals. ”
    “ Instead of destroying European Jewry, Europe, against its own will, refined and educated this people into a future leader-nation through this artificial selection process. No wonder that this people, that escaped Ghetto-Prison, developed into a spiritual nobility of Europe. Therefore a gracious Providence provided Europe with a new race of nobility by the Grace of Spirit. This happened at the moment when Europe’s feudal aristocracy became dilapidated, and thanks to Jewish emancipation”

    The Pan-European project was heavily financed by the Rotschilds, Warburgs, Baruchs of the time.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  32. Romanian says:

    That’s not karma. Do you think Sweden and Denmark are not targeted? What about Spain (aside from its Moroccan misadventures). It’s all about the money, not historical revanchism. And karma should be about proportionality – what are we going to do if every country that has ever attacked or occupied another gets to have its people dispossessed and destroyed? It would be the end of humanity, not the end of just the West. Proportionality would, of course, ensure that the West survives. Study history and see who is worse.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  33. iffen says:

    The EU is just a colony of the United States unable to defend her own interests

    Not too bad of an accomplishment for a country with no culture.

  34. Giuseppe says:
    @Avi Marranazo

    I always get a kick out of Europeans complaining about refugees when it was complicit in destroying the countries of origin.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  35. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I read somewhere that the majority of Germans are pro-immigration. If the population hasn’t had a taste of the wonderful third-world Muslim culture by now they only will when it’s too late. Doom on them. IMO, the only desirable immigrant population (would benefit) would be Arab Christians and East Asians. But alas, Europe is letting in the group which is responsible for turning their homelands into the worst places on earth. Though, I’m sure they’ll turn over a new leaf and eschew their previous noxious traits.

    Wait till the global financial house of cards to fall. It’ll be like the Balkans on bath salts with no outside power left to intervene. If not it’ll be a more violent and dysfunctional Brazil.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @anon
    , @Anonymus
  36. SFG says:
    @Avi Marranazo

    The EU was established so France and Germany wouldn’t start another war between them and wreck Europe.

    Along the way…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  37. SFG says:

    If the Saker’s Russian, he’s not going to like Nazis any more than he likes Jews.

    How many Russians died in WWII? 20-30 million, depending on your estimate?

    You look around, you can find a ‘Ukrainian defender’ video game where you fight Russians, Communists, Jews, and Americans. Some of these groups might be considered on the same side, but all of them? Not everyone has the same group of enemies.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  38. @krollchem


    It is the case that S2C does not have a clear understanding of the intrigues that are destroying Ukraine. I’ve read Saker’s site for nearly a year but still don’t have a firm grasp of the geography or the contending Ukraine-Russian-European groups.

    S2C is, however, pretty conversant in the origins & ideology of neoconservatism & the Kaganites.

    In understanding European and US history in 20th and 21st century S2C has adopted this foundational proposition: the Jewish holocaust narrative is a fraud. No nibbling-at-the-margins holocaust denialism, the Jewish holocaust narrative is a fraud, a lie.

    Based on that foundational proposition, the definition and characteristics of “Nazi” are necessarily radically different from the fraudulent, propagandized version.

    Thus, phenomena such as Ukrainians wearing “Nazi” uniforms with SS symbols etc. require analysis as if one is looking in fun-house mirrors that are, themselves, trained on other distorting mirrors, because the same entities who pulled off the real holocausts — those of the Russian and German peoples — are now running the destruction of Ukraine (and Palestine, Iraq, Libya, Syria, with Iran in the cross-hairs). creating misperceptions and illusion are the basis of their empire.

    It’s worth noting that this same group created An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews Invented Hollywood.

    • Replies: @Sherman
    , @Wizard of Oz
  39. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Good point. I can’t help but think that the same Italian and French NATO pilots who didn’t think twice about bombing Gadaffi’s troops will be brutalized in their own country when they get older by the refugees they helped create. Actions have consequences, bitch.

  40. I quit reading when Saker claimed that the U.S. has no culture. The U.S. may have regional differences, but the core is Western and Anglo. I’ve heard other immigrants make a similar charge, but that just highlights the fact that they are insulated among other immigrants, shallow and unable and unwilling to assimilate.

    As far as not being able to send invaders packing goes, that’s also false. Of course these people can be sent home, just as easily as they can be stopped from entering in the first place. It just has to be done.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  41. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    These hundreds of thousands of aliens who suddenly appear in Europe have no means of support, no jobs or real housing. It’s only a matter of time before they resort to wholesale looting and plundering of the native population along with the sport of raping them. There’s not enough welfare for all of them and the Europeans will tire of paying out what increasingly seems like extortion by foreigners. The present leadership class is showing itself as being ineffectual in matters that count and when they crack down it’s usually to suppress their own people. Tumult, political chaos and violence seem to lay in store. Meanwhile the US has gone on it’s merry way as an arsonist setting fires all over the world whether in Ukraine or the countries of the Middle East and North Africa. Most of this refugee crisis is the fault of the US and it’s allies as they destabilize one country after another and plunge them into all these various wars. Wonder what the next chapter will be?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  42. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Easy way to stop refugees……..
    STOP BOMBING them in their countries

    • Agree: SolontoCroesus
  43. X says:

    “The EU is just a colony of the United States unable to defend her own interests”

    “The EU is on the verge of a social and cultural collapse”
    The undeniable reality is simple as it is stark:
    • The EU cannot absorb so many refugees
    • The EU does not have the means to stop them

    Here is an interesting solution to these two issues, or a dystopian “hate” idea, depending on your current worldview.

    Since the European migrant invasion has been abetted and encouraged by the AngloZionist Empire and its bought and paid for European political elites, if/when a proud and capable remnant among the native European can rise up and throw off this yoke, here is one suggestion.

    Do not be concerned with the challenge of immediately have to deport all of these new and unwanted invaders. Simply make them America’ problems. Round them up and deposit them on to the various US military installations across Europe. How many refugees can Ramstein AFB hold? How about Hohnefels TA? Or Aviano AFB?

    And if the various trolls want to insist that the US military would never allow this, a simple contingency plan would be to establish a one km radius zone around each gate to these bases, stop all out-going traffic, reinforce the perimeter with heavy debris, barbed wire, etc. and then simply round up and off-load the migrant into these “de-American-militarized zones”. At a some critical density, the US military would no longer be able prevent a breach of the gates, and then the Americans would have to deal with the up close and personal consequences of thousands of third worlders rampaging through the barracks and housing of US service personnel and their dependents.

    It would be amusing to see how the AngloZionist Empire would react.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  44. Sherman says:

    “The Jewish holocaust (sic) narrative is a fraud, a lie”

    The biggest lie I can think of is your claim that your parents taught you to respect Jews.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  45. Flower says:

    But Salt, you say that like it’s a bad thing.

    “The 28 member EU makes no economic sense”
    “The EU is on the verge of a social and cultural collapse”
    “The EU is just a colony of the United States unable to defend her own interests”
    “The EU is in a deep political crisis”

    These are the sub-heads in the piece. Now, whether Saker chose them or David Unz chose them, I do not know. Now, not with “permission” but, perhaps, with patience, let’s cut the bullshit out of those sub heads:

    “The EU makes no sense.” – For whom? The average guy on the street? In that you are correct. The more accurate way to say this would be: The EU makes no difference.
    Remember when Obama was all hot to start a war with Syria and the British Parliament decided that wasn’t such a good idea and backed away? The EU thought it was a great idea, then, suddenly, Obama decided that going to war with Syria wasn’t such a good idea after all. Remember that incident? Now, ask yourself, how much affect did the EU have on Obama’s decision and how much was due to Britain?

    “The EU is constantly on the verge of collapse.” Again, this is said as if it were a bad thing. If the EU collapsed, what effect do you suppose would be felt by the average Brit? Or German,or Pole, or Dutchman, or… The British Crown is not going to fall to the Guillotine, the Dutch Crown will not be lined up against the wall, the German’s aren’t going to begin another war, Italy will…well, who knows with Italy.

    “The EU is unable to defend itself.” – Yep, this is true, except thru the copious use of propaganda, lies, and outright fraud. But why should the EU be any different than any other eco-political entity in this 21st century?

    “The EU is in a continual political crisis” – Tell me how a political entity that claims as much power and influence as the EU boasts, but that has no constituency, owns no material possessions, including land, water, air, raw materials, manufacturing capabilities, food producing capabilities, no standing military, and all the other pieces that make up a country, let alone a “union” of countries, can NOT be in political crises?

    The EU is the European version of the Federal Reserve, nothing more. The EU gets mentioned in the papers a lot more than the Fed, but the Fed likes it that way; however, since Ron Paul (and others) began hammering on the Fed for not allowing an audit, QE 1, 2, 3, and soon to be 4, the bailing out of TBTF banks, the past two chairmen of the Fed’s board admitting that they had no clue what they were doing and all of the silly “money policies” resulted in much more harm than good – sounds like the Fed is suffering the same “political crisis”. Go figure.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  46. @SFG

    First, I don’t think this is about “Saker;” he’s one person — the messenger not the message.

    True, Russians would have no love for “Nazis.” Putin demonstrates that in his speeches.
    My understanding is that Putin is trying to achieve the emergence of an authentic Russia, re-committed to its Orthodox Christian background and divorced from Communism & Stalinism and Bolshevism. It’s a tricky business that can only be accomplished bit-by-bit, and without riling the populace who did find things to celebrate in Stalinism and did suffer in war with Germany. So Putin has to maintain the anti-Nazi rhetoric and dynamic.

    As well, to fully ‘rehabilitate’ NSDAP would cast very dark shadows on Stalinist Russia. Max Hastings argues that Stalin killed far more people than Hitler and would be considered far worse than Hitler but for the holocaust of Jews. If the holocaust of Jews did not happen, which is my basic proposition, then Stalin takes Hitler’s place in hell.

    Nuland is well aware of this dynamic. She plays it. She sets up the funhouse mirrors.

    One of her cabalists, Michael Ledeen, said on a TV program some years ago that folks “really ought to stop all the holocaust rhetoric.” Ledeen, a psychopath if ever there was one, knows that the continued flogging of Jewish holocaust is only going to draw attention to the many lies that are its underpinning, and they will be gradually knocked away to reveal the full horror of what Jews — Morgenthau, Frankfurter, Brandeis, etc. conspired with FDR and Churchill and hired Stalin to do to Germany and to European Christianity.

    re “not all of them have the same enemies.”
    Saker seems to have drawn the correct categories with “Anglo zionist.”
    Saker’s designation corresponds with those that Charles Lindbergh rightly identified in Iowa September 11, 1941

    • Replies: @SFG
  47. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    All online polls I’ve seen in Germany say exactly the opposite, sometimes with more than 80 per cent of the people against more immigration. But then a study appears suddenly saying Germans are pro-immigration and it is widely publicized. Coincidence?

    Btw. Germany now had massive non-European immigration for more than 40 years.

  48. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The EU was established so France and Germany wouldn’t start another war between them and wreck Europe.

    Along the way…

    Basically. However nobody believes these countries want to attack each other anymore, so the EU is now purposeless. When was the last time a big war among western Europeans was considered a credible possibility among ordinary people? The 1980s?

    This lack of purpose means that you now have a bunch different groups trying to turn the EU into something it was never intended to be, however they don’t agree on what they want.

    The EU isn’t a vehicle for the propagation of the ‘lessons of Auschwitz’. It’s not the Roman/Habsburg empire redux. It’s not the Nazi/Imperial German empire redux. It’s not a Communist state. It’s not just a big free-trade area. It’s not a vehicle for American foreign policy. It’s not a military/political rival to Russia and America. It’s not a vehicle for the propagation of the One True Faith. It’s not a nation. It’s not a rich man’s club.

    Sure some people are trying real hard to turn it into one or more of these things, but they haven’t done it yet, and probably never will.

  49. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Ah, those Germans, always starting wars … usually be being declared war upon first.

    • Replies: @Flower
  50. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Once they arrive in Sweden or Germany, they are provided with housing, food and medical care, sometimes even cash handouts.
    They started looting nevertheless. (As well, as rioting and raping.)

  51. backup says:

    Good to see such remarks. It admits this is an invasion.

  52. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    More internet wisdom by the commentariat.

  53. Realist says:

    Make that two things, Many white Europeans are stupid

  54. Marian says:

    Just one little criticism of this article, the US did have it’s unique culture. Things like jazz and ragtime are pure American. And it did have fairly non integrating tribes at one point. Things started to change around the turn of the last century, and accelerated after WW II with a few exceptions like the Amish and Mennonites.

    In some respects we were the experiment on the secret war against European Christians, who sadly have been unwitting allies in their own demise. The belated solution for it all is ditching central banking, safety nets, third world regime change, the politicized education system, feminism, and television. None is happening on any of that list.

    So perhaps we should accelerate the immigration? Clean up their old stomping grounds of Neocon and Saudi sponsored radicals. Build some churches even if no one attends. Then have European types relocate after dismantling anything and everything nuclear. I am not really serious on this. Hmm…actually I am on dismantling the nukes while there is a white majority.

  55. @Seraphim

    I have long been aware of one world government enthusiasts and similar dreamers but had never heard of the Count and his Practical Idealism or Pan-European project. That makes me suspect that it was a dead end and of no relevance to the post WW2 European integration moves. That would make the financial support of rich international bankers, though quite natural even if they weren’t Jewish but irrelevant to anything that eventuated much later. By the way I can recall any number of idealistic school teachers fantasising about the mixing of the races as well as world government. It goes with innocent naiveté and pious respect to what the tribal gods are currently enjoining on the righteous.

  56. @SolontoCroesus

    If you insist that the Jewish Holocaust narrative is a lie would you please explain for those who have seen on humble Australians tattoos that seemed to support their stories that they were only sent to Auschwicz in 1945 because their appearance and Christian Poles or Hungarians had helped them escape rounding up just what that false narrative is. Obviously it must be a narrative that is so overwhelming in its horror that Germany grovelled and continues to grovel – apparently Germans with credible personal evidence to give are less credible than survivors of their concentration camps.

    So let’s not bother about trivial errors. What’s the story which gives power to Jewish assertion that the Nazis aimed to destroy them and what’s wrong with it?

    • Agree: Sam Shama
    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Seraphim
  57. @OilcanFloyd

    I’m glad to find more than commenter calling the Saker out on his glib BS. Anyone could confect a mess of pottage about the EU’s numerous troubles from listening in on real journalists (assuming he could find some) talking idly in a bar but the Saker could leave people worse informed if they swallowed his tripe whole.

  58. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Wait till the global financial house of cards to fall. It’ll be like the Balkans on bath salts with no outside power left to intervene. If not it’ll be a more violent and dysfunctional Brazil.

    Yes. It’s going to be like the Holodomor but on a vastly bigger scale.

  59. @Auntie Analogue

    Well said about the EU not having the means,if it had the will, to stem the flow of unskilled immigrants. If course it could do it. The Saker is as usual content to toss off mindless blather with smooth confidence.

  60. >> Not only that, but American society has little culture to begin with. Ask yourself, what is “American culture?”

    Ask yourself, what is “Hollywood”? 😉

    Come on now, enough with old european cultural snobbery. Let’s talk about real stuff.

    what do you not like about,

    Bushes, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Colin Powell, John Negroponte, Victoria Nuland …

    You don’t think they can Americanize Europe or Middle East in an agreeable way?

  61. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I think the gist of this article is true.

    General Wesley Clark
    “There is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states. That’s a 19th century idea and we are trying to transition into the 21st century, and we are going to do it with multi-ethnic states.”

    I used to think the European nations were simply allies of the US but now I think the logic of empire meant that wasn’t enough – the political class had to be controlled directly.

    I think the US state dept. wants the EU as a simpler way of controlling Europe and wants the individual EU nations transformed into multi-ethnic nations for the standard imperial reason of divide and rule and the political class of Europe have either been bought or blackmailed to go along with it.

    With the worst part being the deliberate use of children to trap and blackmail paedophile politicians.

    • Agree: Seamus Padraig
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  62. @Sherman

    One critical difference is that facts and evidence support my claim, Sherman, whereas you have neither to support yours.

    • Replies: @Sherman
    , @Sam Shama
  63. @Anonymous

    So you were wrong. You didn’t know the Saker was a rootless cosmopolitan (to coin a phrase). Neither did I. But it didn’t stop you pinging him for his characteristic smooth superficiality. Of course he did as well as a fairground fortune teller saying things which people interpret favourably because that’s the way most people are, believing someone has said what they would like him to have said.

    Of course the EU made very good sense in its essence as a free trade area, and still does. Many of its steps towards uniform standards and anti-competitive activity, to name two areas of actual activity also make good plain sense. And including Eastern European countries makes perfect economic sense if you want to keep labour costs down in a world where Asia is rising as well as accelerating the rise of more prosperous European economies in a larger market. Things started to go wrong about 1990 in the changes to the EU constitution and attempts at ever greater integration, the creation of the Eurozone being the occasion when the malevolent and grandiose spirits of Caligula and Nero must have paid a visit.

    But the EU as a US “colony”. Bizarre. Of course our uprooted cosmopolitan may be using “colony” in some cute sense which no educated native Anglophone would deploy other than as cheap rhetoric. Or maybe he is Humpty Dumpty who could make a word mean whatever he wanted it to mean. OK he is intending to imply that the nations of Europe do what America tells them to do, though he doesn’t bother to tell us whether that is in limited areas of action and policy. (How pleased would the US be at European Commission anti monopoly action against Microsoft and Google for example?).

    Has he forgotten France and Germany pointedly failing to go along with the US in the WMD war against Iraq? Does he remember what Europe’s contribution was in Vietnam, a former French territory? And that was when Europe was much more dependant on America.
    As a starting approximation any valid and informed view from Saker on most of the subjects he spreads himself over is that way by sheer chance.
    Those who like his smooth confidence and know his background better than me and whichever Anonymous made the second comment might care to tell us what superior sources or great well of experience this chap has who seems to be some sort of refugee in the US now after living in many countries. Would it be too unfair to speculate that he has much in common with those smooth Iraqis who sold gullible Americans (and others) a packet of goods about Iraq, Saddam Hussein and WMDs? Was he the great Russia expert based on family and linguistic ability who came into his own as interpreter-fabulist when communism fell and there was an almost infinite market for Russian expertise as the clodhopping CIA intelligence on the Soviet Union was turned in for a refit and makeover?

    And btw including Christian Poland et al in the EU makes good sense when you have let too many Muslims into your own flabby PC country.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  64. @Wizard of Oz

    If you insist that the [1] Jewish Holocaust narrative is a lie would you please explain for those who [2]have seen on humble Australians tattoos


    [ˈhäləˌkôst, ˈhōlə-] noun
    a Jewish sacrificial offering that is burned completely on an altar.

    [2] the existence of “humble Australians [with] tattoos” disproves that someone, certainly that (presumably Jewish) “humble Australian” was “burned completely” whether in an altar, an oven, or, since Sam Shama has not been able to produce evidence, in any of the 131 German towns and cities that Allies firebombed and “burned completely”.

    Based on your assertions, Wizard of Oz, it appears the Nazis are guilty of mass tattooing.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @OilcanFloyd
  65. pyrrhus says:

    What a bullshit comment. The lowest form of sophistry, attempted disqualification.

  66. Sean says:

    After WW2 organised labour had the whip hand, business didn’t like that.

    “Everybody hates the Captain and crew, but nobody know whom to replace them with.”

    Have you walked around London lately? Zero to fifty percent replacement in a couple of generations. British workers are a fifth less productive but a third cheaper. Inexorable.

    • Disagree: Wizard of Oz
  67. Sam Shama says:

    the Jewish holocaust narrative is a fraud, a lie.

    You have no redeeming qualities to balance your shameless attempts at Holocaust denialism.

    I have no intention, none at all, to engage you in a debate over this matter: either of the scale, composition or the benevolent nature of Adolf Hitler and his club of butchers. I have pointed you in the direction of Yad Vashem, where the most accredited historians, the world over (Jewish and non-jewish) have examined this awful episode in our history, with more objectivity than you can ever hope to muster.

    If there is a fraud, it is extremely close to your own person. From this day on, I refuse to entertain your posts as remotely serious, anything other than pure evil disguised as argument. I will also use everything in my power to have you exposed: your identity, lies and intentions, and your attempts in these pages to slander other posters like Ronald Thomas West, your veiled (and some not so veiled) threats actually calling for the KILLING OF WELL-KNOWN JEWISH PUBLIC PERSONALITIES. Its astonishing that someone who claims many years in security service in retail, can actually muse about these horrific acts.

    We shall not forget.

  68. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Wait, do you mean the same Wesley Clark, who is a proud son of chosen tribe, descendant of Kohens from Belarus and a war criminal participated in aggression against Yugoslavia?

    • Replies: @anon
  69. Flower says:

    You bring up an excellent point. In fact, it has been a matter of argument and discussion over the years as to whether FDR would have had the political backing to declare war on Germany if Hitler hadn’t already declared war on the USA? Some historians feel that had Hitler simply kept his mouth shut after Pearl Harbor, and the Tripartite treaty between the axis powers did NOT require member states to come to the aid of another member if that said member had started whatever it needed help with, that FDR would have been forced to deal with Japan ONLY, and let the Europeans fight their own damn wars. What do you think? Was declaring war on the USA Hitler’s biggest mistake of WWII?

    • Replies: @Max Payne
    , @CK
  70. Max Payne says:

    I don’t know why the EU just doesn’t ferry all the refugees to the US. They’ll do great there. They are undocumented and can find themselves some illegal work. The US economy is actually so competitive that of all the “first world” nations it seems to have the cheapest costs of living in terms of rent, food, services, etc. (really, compare it to Canada or the UK; you can live decently for what you would have to pay for basic needs in those other countries).

    And most importantly 99.98% of all those refugees are a direct result of some US action or another. Downfall of Libya. Syrian civil war. Ukrainian coup. The list just doesn’t end.

    Or just ship them to Israel. Let them deal with it. A country that takes that much free hand outs from the US and EU has to step up at some point and take some weight off its allies. What are we giving them all that money for? I’d even support a plan where Israel takes an extra chunk of Syria and makes it into a refugee zone utilizing the best Israeli technology such as massive concrete walls, drone patrols, observation towers, etc.

    Hell… Israel can then use that as one large promotional advertisement for their military industrial complex. “Refugee problems? We can help, call now for a toll free estimate”. Just like how the Sri Lankan government hired Israeli security firms to help them plan how to defeat the Tamil Tigers, Israel can also advertise itself as an expert in managing refugee influx. Australia and the EU would probably be the biggest clients. Win-win I say.

  71. @Sam Shama

    Yad Vashem.

    Don’t make me laugh, Sam.

    Mark Braverman, Jewish and a psychologist (now retired) wrote of his visit to the freak show overlooking the village of Deir Yassim and of how he emerged feeling exploited and manipulated.

    You, on the other hand, appear to have overdosed on Ziocaine, Sam; take a chill-pill.

    Maybe your grandmother can prepare a nice cup of camomile tea for you, if she can spare some time from “detesting Germans” — at least those Germans who survived the firebombing aided and abetted by Erich Mendelsohn, “the Jewish architect,” and Solly Zuckerman, consultant to Winston Churchill; or the rape and slaughter of German women and civilians whipped into a frenzy by Jewish writer Ilya Ehrenburg; financed and abetted by Jewish US Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau, Jr, who also proposed to FDR the Morgenthau plan by which what remained of Germany after 75% of it was firebombed to ashes would be turned into a pasture. FDR and Churchill acquiesced in Morgenthau’s hate-filled scheme until Patton and George C Marshall demanded that it cease.

    You’re going to stop engaging, Sam? Again? Do you really, really mean it this time, twinkie-swear mean it? :'(

    But before you stop engaging in this topic, Sam, and to borrow a phrase from Yitzak Rabin at Camp David — answer the damn questions, dog:

    How many Jews starved to death in Germany as a result of the blockade and famine deliberately imposed by the British forces with whom Chaim Weizmann was allied?

    How many Jews died in fire bombings in German cities that were deliberately planned and executed with the purpose of incinerating “as many German civilians as possible,” including “infants in their cribs”?

  72. Max Payne says:

    Hitler’s biggest mistake during WW2 was taking on Moscow.

    The Allied invasion of Europe proper (Normandy landings; June 6th 1944) was way too late to do anything. The Soviets had already turned the tide through the battle of Stalingrad (nearly 16 months prior to the invasion) and the Battle of Kursk (11 months prior to the invasion).

    Even if the US did not enter the European theater the Soviets would have cleaned house with ease.

    • Replies: @Jeremiah
    , @Flower
  73. geokat62 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Would it be too unfair to speculate that he has much in common with those smooth Iraqis who sold gullible Americans (and others) a packet of goods about Iraq, Saddam Hussein and WMDs?

    As you no doubt know, these “smooth Iraqis” were two-bit players. The real éminence grise, of course, were the neocons/Israel Firsters who ran the Office of Special Plans and retained The Rendon Group to sell the war to the “gullible” American people. Why not call a spade a spade?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  74. Anonymus says:

    This is nothing. The kind of pillaging the west has done, and is doing, requires so much more pain.

    • Replies: @FLOR solitaria
  75. Anonymus says:

    Your kind are the vilest things in this world.

    May you live the doom, you wish on others.

  76. Jeremiah says:
    @Max Payne

    Barbarossa was a pre-emptive strike. Stalin was just waiting for the Germans to launch their invasion of Britain before stabbing Hitler in the back.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  77. Sherman says:

    Generally when parents raise their children with decent values the children don’t grow up to be neo-Nazi psychopaths.

    This is proof enough that you’re a liar.

    • Agree: Sam Shama
    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  78. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I think there are probably multiple strands: banking mafia, neocon, US imperial etc, that overlap. I’m not convinced it’s all one big thing.

  79. Sam Shama says:

    Here is the fraud who signs ‘SolontoCroesus’ (so brave, isn’t he just?) caught as a liar and a slanderer by a commenter many here consider among the best:

    In the following post the same Neanderthal is advocating that Jews should be shot, and prominent figures like Perle, Wolfowitz, Kagan etc, should be lynched or shot. This is a direct threat to do bodily harm to well-known persons.

    We are steaming red hot mad.

    Jews are shit on a shingle, Sam Shama, and the US politity (sic) is just waiting for the toaster to pop. You can try to pull the plug or fiddle with the gears, but the coils are already glowing red. You’re toast.


    We want to see the bottoms of neocon shoes, either while boarding a plane for parts distant from American shores, or while swinging from a lamppost. Piano wire was good enough for Streicher and Mussolini; while bass wires might be required, Kristol, the Kagans, and Perle, Wolfowitz and the Wurmer duo are entitled to nothing less. Or more.

    He also exhibits strange, repressed sexual proclivities perhaps:

    I mistakenly tried to reason with the azazel:

    S2C, what you need to realise is that you were not an “an eye witness” to what actually happened to Jewish people and many others in Germany either. You were not an eye witness to what Der Fuhrer said or intended. You depend on documentation as much as anyone else, and you dismiss the evidence of history when it does not suit your narrative as fictitious.

    But he repeated his endorsement that “Hitler should have been nominated for the Nobel Prize”

    Despite all of these hateful utterances, I managed, for the most part, to keep to the topic and debate the relevant as best I could. No more.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @SolontoCroesus
  80. Sam Shama says:

    One thing he does have is a sense of humour. You in contrast, gain sustenance from indecency, three square meals a day one suspects, from cradle to grave.

  81. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    … prominent figures like Perle, Wolfowitz, Kagan etc, should be lynched or shot. This is a direct threat to do bodily harm to well-known persons.

    Sam, these “well-known persons” are the architects of the invasion of Iraq and the larger strategy of remaking the ME by draining the swamp. They have the blood of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of innocent people on their hands. Not sure why you would want to defend these people.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @annamaria
  82. @Sherman

    Yo, Sherm,

    this is interesting.

    just browsed the internets to find a definition of psychopath to include in a wise-ass response to your dumb-ass comment, and what did I happen upon under “characteristics of the psychopath” —

    Police mug shot showing the front view and profile of convicted New York City serial killer David Berkowitz, known as the ‘Son of Sam’. Hulton Archive/Getty Images

    The Sam of Son of Sam refers to Sam Untermyer, government lawyer on the Pujo Committee that prepped the US Congress and public for the need for a central bank, which had been planned several years earlier at Jekyll Island by five or six US financiers under the tutelage of Paul Warburg. Berkowitz used to lurk on Untermyer’s estate, Greystone iirc, in New York city somewhere.

    Untermyer went on to bigger and better things: beginning early in 1933, Untermyer led the “International Jewish Boycott of Germany” intended to destroy Germany’s economy and “bring it to its knees.” Untermyer led the boycott against Germany from early in 1933 until his death early in 1940.

    In the late summer of 1933 upon Untermyer’s return from a meeting with “international” Jewish leaders in the Netherlands, he gave a charming speech in which he called Germans “ingrates and beasts of prey, animated by the loathsome motives of race hatred, bigotry and envy. For the Jews are the aristocrats of the world.”

    That was in the warm-up part; Untermyer went on to make this extraordinary statement:

    Now or never must all the nations of the earth make common cause against the monstrous claim that the slaughter, starvation and annihilation, by a country that has reverted to barbarism, of its own innocent and defenseless citizens without rhyme, reason or excuse is an internal affair against which the rest of the world must stand idly by and not lift a hand in defense.

    It should be noted that the occasion for Untermyer’s speech was a fund-raiser for Hebrew University in Rehovoth, Mandate Palestine. By 1937-38 enough money had been raised for the project that Erich Mendelsohn, “the Jewish architect” built it, along with luxury residences for the Schocken family and for Chaim Weizmann. Mendelsohn, too, went on to bigger and better things: in late 1941-early 1942 he delivered a series of lectures in California hallmarked by this statement:

    But in order to reeducate the people at large, . . . to that beautiful end, to rebuild their towns and dwellings—the visible expression, the broad acre of their social and civic consciousness—the people themselves must first experience the fight for existence, experience personal danger and common sacrifice, the turmoil of mechanized battles, the mental preparedness for being blotted out at a second’s notice. (April 1942)

    Shortly afterwards Mendelsohn collaborated with the US Airforce, Standard Oil, and RKO Studios to build “German Village,” replicating in exacting detail the housing of working class Germans. The Air Force and Standard oil used the building to practice creating firestorms that made the “most efficient” use of combinations of incendiary devices and bombs to destroy the maximum number of Germans. According to the report of the US Department of Interior, the Jewish-led RKO Studio furnished the building with (among other things) “two beds and a crib for an infant to accommodate the typical German family.”

    Back to Untermyer’s speech — What’s curious about his last statement, about German’s “slaughtering, starving and annihilating” Jews is this statement, in the first chapter of Breitman and Lichtman’s book, FDR and the Jews:

    “Some Nazi activists physically assaulted Jews in the early exuberant days of Hitler’s semi legal revolution. Once secure in their authority, Nazi officials curbed personal violence but enacted a series of discriminatory laws and decrees . . . Only in late 1938 . . .For the first time, the Gestapo imprisoned tens of thousands of German Jews in concentrations camps.”

    You’re the diagnostician, Sherm, and you say S2C is a psychopath and can’t be trusted to tell who is lying and who is not.

    So help me out:

    Was Sam Untermyer lying about Germans in 1933 or were Brietman and Licthman lying about Germans in 1933?

    And why do you think David Berkowitz, psychopath extraordinaire, used the name Son of Sam (Untermyer)?

    Finally, any thoughts on Erich Mendelsohn? In your surely professional opinion, Sherm, do you detect any signs of psychopathology in an architect who builds apartments in order to more efficiently destroy them and the babies in them, and who advocates people “fighting for their existence” and being “prepared to be blotted out at a second’s notice” as a form of “re-education” for “beauty” and a new “social consciousness”?

    • Replies: @Sherman
  83. Sam Shama says:

    They are unsavoury characters no doubt, and I have no truck with them, nor am I defending their philosophy, but I have not seen you call for them to be lynched, shot or bodily harmed, have I?

    There is a difference between appealing for justice and openly calling for the murder of individuals.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  84. @Sam Shama

    Knew it, knew it, just absolutely knew it.

    knew you couldn’t stay away, Sam Shama.

    moth meet flame (or LED, as case may be).

    btw S2C is disappointed that you stopped cutting-and-pasting before you got to the reference to Gertrude Stein, who was there, who did endorse Hitler for Nobel prize, who did hate zionism. Toss in LGBT before it was cool and you’ve got hat-trick + 1.

  85. annamaria says:

    “…before stabbing Hitler in the back.”

    You mean, the Germans simply decided to go peacefully home whereas the aggressive Red Army had attacked the innocent Germans out of a blue? Sounds like the ongoing US/RF conflict in Ukraine where peace-loving US have been bringing “democracy and prosperity” to the ungrateful east Ukrainians that have been demanding – oh horror! – the federalization of Ukraine, in the context of Kiev’ soft spot for Right-Sector (read neo-Nazi).

    Who would believe that the federal government of the republic of fifty states (the USA) would be so averse to federalization of Ukraine, that the US would become involved into inflaming the civil war in Ukraine, while accusing the federalists (and, by association, the president of RF) in “stabbing” the neo-Nazi-infested Kiev’ army.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  86. CK says:

    When he invaded Russia, Japan did not declare war on Russia. Having had its butt handed to it at Nohoman and Khalkhin Gol the Japanese decided that the Russia of Stalin was not the Russia it had faced in 1904 and backed away quietly ( )
    So no second front for Russia, as a result Russia wins the European section of WWII.
    Then came the always pleasant but slightly controversial Yalta conference.
    Russia is taking Berlin and will go further west as it sees fit.
    The Roosevelt tells Russia that if it does not enter the war against Japan within 90 days of Germany’s defeat, Russia doesn’t get a say in Asia. The Roosevelt felt he could demand this since he was being advised by Stalin’s agents and their advice was that Russia was incapable of moving from Berlin to Manchuria in a timely fashion, So Russia gets no seat at the table where Asia is concerned. Stalin agrees to the demand.
    89 days after Germany surrenders, the Russians launch the largest double envelopment pincher attack the world has ever seen into Manchuria and Outer Mongolia and utterly destroys the Japanese armies there on the ground, further Russia launches sea borne invasions of Japanese Sakhalin and Kuril Islands and swept them back into the Russia from which the T. Roosevelt had help steal them in 1905.
    The Russian assault runs half way down the Korean Peninsula before it runs too far ahead of its logistics tail and has to stop. In the North, it appeared that the Russian Army and navy were preparing an independent assault on Hokkaido the northern most of the main Japanese Islands and completely undefended against any serious assault. 90 days after the war against Germany ended, the Russians moved a huge army and all its POL needs and air cover and artillery and tanks from Berlin to
    90 days his ass as Stalin laughs at Truman and whoever the clown that replaced Churchill was.
    The USA facing a severe failure in Korea, the Japanese home Islands and already seeing the Chiang Kai Check was a wimp running to Formosa, had really very little choice, the USA dropped two a bombs on Japan and the Japanese agreed to “Unconditional Surrender.”
    A few months later the USSR dropped its own A bomb thanks to the help of its “special spies.”
    The world has been moderately peaceful since then. A few more members in the Bomb club but otherwise no big deal.
    Operation August Storm ( the Americanized version of the battles and strategies )
    Manchurian Strategic Offensive Operation ( The Americanized idea of the Russian version )

  87. annamaria says:

    Perhaps, the time has arrived to create public courts to judge these criminals (Ledeen, Perle, Wolfowitz, Kagan, Cheney, Bush, Kristol, Feith, Rumsfeld, et cetera) for the horrors they have inflicted on the millions of people in the Middle East. These criminals represent a genetic aberration that must be dealt with.
    Know your scoundrels.

  88. Sherman says:

    I stand corrected.

    You’re not a psychopath.

    You’re a paranoid psychopath.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  89. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    There is a difference between appealing for justice and openly calling for the murder of individuals.

    Do you agree with me that these individuals, as well as others (e.g., Bush, Blair, Cheney), should be hauled before the ICC, just like Milosevic and a few African leaders have been, to face trial and, if convicted, locked up in prison for life?

    • Agree: Sam Shama
    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Wizard of Oz
  90. Zemrock says:

    A forceful piece, but I’m somewhat surprised that you forgot to mention the meager birth rates of the ageing native European populations. This, too, is a free-fall trend.

  91. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    All this talk about Ukranian “Nazis” would have you think that it was Russians starving by the millions at the hands of the Ukrainian army during the Holodomor and not the other way round.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  92. @Sam Shama

    “I will also use everything in my power to have you exposed: your identity, lies and intentions”
    Sam Shama says:
    August 29, 2015 at 6:30 pm

    from the Daily Kos website:

    Many people chose to post to Daily Kos under pseudonyms, keeping their real names confidential. There are many reasons why people would choose not to reveal their real names. Revealing the identify of someone who has chosen to remain anonymous is a bannable offense. It is also a morally reprehensible thing to do.

    see also

  93. annamaria says:

    The Soviet army was (and is) multiethnic. There were as many Russians involved in the atrocities of the Soviet regime as people of any other ethnicity, whether Ukrainians, or Jews, or Georgians.
    Stalin (Dzhugashvilli), the initiator of Holodomor, was Georgian. Right now, an appointed (non-elected) governor of Odessa is another Georgian, Michel Saakishvilli, who is wanted in his native Georgia for alleged crimes (including murder of an opposition leader). The allegations do not prevent the US from financing Saakishvilli and his staff.
    The 14th Waffen SS division Galicia was involved in the gruesome crimes such as the mass murders of Jews in Ukraine and killing out the anti-Nazi partisans in other countries of Eastern Europe. The Ukrainian Nazis were allowed to escape to the US and Canada; their progeny constitutes some of the most vocal supporters of the “most blatant coup” in Kiev (George Friedman, Stratfor).
    The civil war in Ukraine is a result of Kiev’ refusal to allow a federal government. Considering the irreconcilable differences between the predominantly Russian east Ukraine and the Bandera-warshipping west Ukraine, federalization of Ukraine seems as the only civilized solution for preserving Ukraine as a united country. But this outcome, tragically, would not satisfy the Kaganat of the US State Dept.

  94. Sam Shama says:

    Do you agree that the Holocaust is a chapter in our history that cannot be called a fraud or otherwise trivialised? Fully recognising that many massacres mark the unfortunate history of Man?

    • Disagree: SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Ace
    , @Romanus
  95. @geokat62

    Allow me to be pedantic if you wish to reprove me. I wasn’t talking about your spade but, if I was you are talking about the wielders of the spade. Actually I think the Iraqi spades were pretty cunning hucksters who lived well off a number of intelligence payrolls and now are good for interviews confessing with a broad smile to lies. I don’t know what’s become of Chalabi but perhaps he is too rich to demean himself on TV.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  96. @annamaria

    What appears to be solid information there. May I ask if recent citizenship of Russia is part of your reason for expertise?
    What you say about federalism sounds very sensible but I wonder if you are right to apportion so much blame to the US or the new government in Kiev. A few wild words hardly seem to justify the speedy Russian reaction when there was a new government that had hardly had time to take its first breaths. (And don’t tell me events in the East aand their timing weren’t Russia’s to restrain or promote as it wished against an enfeebled Ukraine). What was there to stop Russia telling its much smaller poorer neighbour that it was a decent confederation or else before rebellion took off? The problem seems to have been – just as a matter of common sense – that grabbing the Crimea was absolute top of Putin’s agenda. Cf. India grabbing Goa, Spain’s microaggressions over Gibraltar, and the Argentine junta’s disastrous invasion of the Falklands to see why I might suggest putting Crimean ambitions at the forefront. Annd I could mention Danzig and the Sudetenland, not to mention the Rhineland….

    • Replies: @geokat62
  97. @SolontoCroesus

    “Based on your assertions, Wizard of Oz, it appears the Nazis are guilty of mass tattooing.”

    That’s the best line so far! I admit that I laughed out loud to that. I don’t give two damns about the holocaust, whether or not the official story is true, and I don’t think it is. Whatever did happen, putting it off as an American fault or concern is a fraud. Never again, my ass. I don’t ever want to hear about it again!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  98. @geokat62

    A former Australian PM said almost that to me without naming the particular criminals or how long their sentences should be….

  99. The biggest problem is the refugee problem. If EU can’t solve this, it is fucked.

  100. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    Since I’ve already stated my position on this issue, there is no need for me to state it again:

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  101. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Most of you pathetic characters, it is so easy to see, are full of jealousy and hatred for jews. You morons do not have the intelligence or abilities to compete and yeah damn right, every aspect of your lives are now controlled by jews. (I am not even one, but I see what is going on here). ‘Todd’ geo-whatever, solontocroesus, annamarina and all the others, you are like the little toy soldiers in ‘Night in the Museum’ trying to come alive and create a revolution. Yeah maybe in your toilet bowls when you flush it! One of you even calls for a ‘new international court’ to judge Bush. Cheney etc. Sure idiot1 why don’t you just order it on Amazon?!

    This discussion board is hilarious

  102. geokat62 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Allow me to be pedantic…

    Knock yourself out.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  103. @uddeboda

    “and they get about 6100 Swedish kr a month…..thats about £460, from which they have to buy, food, clothing, shoes, travel, and electricity in the new””homes””, andI know for a fact that they struggle, so where does this Money go to,it goes to the shop keepers and VAT,which is 12% on food and 25% on Everything else”

    So who ponies up the money for this perpetual motion welfare economy? Does it fall from the sky?

    • Replies: @uddeboda
  104. Sam Shama says:

    Got it. I never saw this (prior to the time I started reading UR)

    • Replies: @geokat62
  105. @Anonymous

    Sorry, but you don’t come off as superior yourself. And being sick and tired of hearing about the holocaust is hardly a sign of jealousy. If the planners of the current ME wars aren’t criminals, then there is no such thing as a criminal. We can’t justify jails as long as these monsters run free, and that IS and American issue.

  106. geokat62 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    … that grabbing the Crimea was absolute top of Putin’s agenda.

    You’re not suggesting Putin orchestrated the Feb 22/14 coup to seize the Crimea, are you?

    • Replies: @annamaria
  107. @Anonymous

    The Jewish are high-function in areas of mental prowess.

    That includes the approximately the 4% who tend towards high-function psychopathy, which is the main drawback that the Jews have.

    Heredity didn’t change just for them.

    • Replies: @B.R.
  108. annamaria says:

    He (WoO) actually did suggest precisely that. For him, it does not matter how the map of NATO’ stations in Europe looks right now, and he is absolutely sure that Kagans and Co. have nothing to do with the current bloodletting in Ukraine (the neo-Nazi disgrace is off his radar as well).

    A game is going on. And this game is becoming more dangerous with each day, because when ignorance marries aggressive arrogance, the results are ugly. This is a nightmarish vision of a Witches’ Sabbath chaired by Cheney and attended by the neocon cabal with Ledeen and Kagan as guests of honor. These psychopaths are not able to figure out a world where nobody will be able to clean after the global homicidal mess that they are planning on a border with RF.

  109. @geokat62

    Pedantry doesn’t even raise a sweat for me. Haven’t you noticed or is that showing egotism too that I think you might have

  110. If Hitler hadn’t declared war on the US and FDR felt constrained to make war, officially, against Japan only he would presumably have stepped up support, very ostentatiously (so far as the Germans were concerned) for Russia as well as Britain and made sure that there was outrage at German attacks on American ships (like the Gulf of Tonkin did I hear someone say?).

  111. @SolontoCroesus

    Am in complete agreement with you. The Saker is one of the most informative writers on the web along with Pepe Escobar.

  112. Ace says:
    @Sam Shama

    >>the Holocaust is a chapter in our history <<

    It's a chapter in German history; it's sure as heck not part of "our," i.e., U.S. history.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  113. uddeboda says:

    Who ponies up………..the proud Citizens of Sweden thru taxation………..its what we call solidarity………and unlike the USA for example, we dont borrow 100s of billions a year to make ends meet

  114. @annamaria

    The 14th Waffen SS division Galicia was involved in the gruesome crimes such as the mass murders of Jews in Ukraine and killing out the anti-Nazi partisans in other countries of Eastern Europe. The Ukrainian Nazis were allowed to escape to the US and Canada

    Some background and context on the 14th Waffen SS Galicia:

    The 14th Waffen SS Galicia was a formation of Ukrainian soldiers from the Galicia region that fought in the ranks of the German armed forces. After the defeat of the German army at Stalingrad, and the failed German offensive at Kursk in 1943, the German army was faced with an increasing crisis on the Eastern Front. Soviet advances in early 1943 cut into large swaths of occupied territory, and the German army was increasingly in retreat. . . .

    During these events, the German authorities began to negotiate with the Ukrainian Central Committee (UCC) on the possibility of forming an armed unit of Ukrainians to fight the Red Army. For many Ukrainians struggling for independence the prospect of having a highly trained and armed force was an attractive proposition; Ukrainians lost their independence in 1920 largely because of the lack of such a force. Therefore, Ukrainian leaders agreed to cooperate with the German authorities in establishing a Ukrainian division under German command. . . .

    The German authorities agreed to several conditions put forth by the UCC to Dr. Otto Waechter, governor of Galicia. The most important of these was that the Division was to be used only on the Eastern front against the Red Army, and not on the Western front against British and American forces. The formation of the Division was announced in April 1943; some 80 000 men volunteered for service. Of these about 12 000 saw action on the front.

    On 17-22 July 1944, under the command of General Freitag, the Division fought in the Battle of Brody. Facing vastly superior Soviet forces, the Division was surrounded and lost some 8000 of its soldiers – killed, wounded, captured or escaped and joined the Ukrainian Insurgent Army. The bravery the Division showed in delaying the Red Army for several days, however, allowed thousands of Ukrainians to escape from Galician territory to the west and avoid Soviet occupation. . . .
    After the defeat at Brody, the Division was replenished with reservists and saw action against the Red Army and Soviet partisans in Slovenia and Austria. In March 1945 Hitler ordered the Division disarmed – this order was ignored. The Division was renamed the First Division of the Ukrainian National Army, under the command of the Ukrainian National Committee. The Division swore an oath of loyalty to the Ukrainian people, and General Pavlo Shandruk was given command of the Division. . . .
    The Division was cleared of any war crimes by the Allied authorities, and it is indicative that Soviet charges of war crimes committed by the Division never went beyond mudslinging; no concrete case was ever brought against members of the Division.”

    • Replies: @annamaria
  115. Romanus says:
    @Sam Shama

    “Do you agree that the Holocaust is a chapter in our history that cannot be called a fraud or otherwise trivialised”

    Would you agree that all war propagand-ish history writing should be reviewed, and revised when necessary ? Even zionist ones. Revisionism is the lifeblood of history research, as one historian put it.

  116. @uddeboda

    It’s called cuckoldry: working and paying taxes to support other peoples’ children. You’ve sold out your own patrimony. Unforgivable. You deserve to go extinct.

    • Replies: @uddeboda
    , @viking
  117. >>the Holocaust is a chapter in our history <<
    It's a chapter in German history; it's sure as heck not part of "our," i.e., U.S. history.


    As early as 1939 FDR began planning for the firebombing of German civilians, that US Air Force (as well as British air force) carried out, reducing to rubble 131 German cities — 75% of Germany’s infrastructure, killing estimated 600,000 German civilians and “de-housing” 7 million Germans.

    Firebombing of German civilians was a strategic decision, rehearsed, calculated, and targeted to kill millions of German civilians, including infants.

    These were crimes against humanity and war crimes that the leadership of the USA directed and that the people of the USA financed and carried out.

    The holocaust of the German people sure as heck is part of “our”, i.e. U. S. history.
    We just don’t admit it and have never been called to account for it.

    see also Robert S. McNamara, The Fog of War

    • Replies: @uddeboda
    , @SolontoCroesus
  118. SFG says:

    I was responding to the original poster who thinks Saker (how do we refer to the blog author? ‘Vineyard’ seems kind of strange) is going too easy on the Nazis. I stand by my original point that if his sympathies are with Russia, he probably shouldn’t.

    I think you’re giving Putin a little too much credit, but he may wind up creating an Orthodox Russia along the way to his goals of money and power. So it’s a minor point.

    Stalin did kill more people than Hitler, and yes, if Hitler had killed 6 million Armenians nobody would care unless the Armenians owned the newspapers. I think they’re both down there getting chomped by Satan’s mouths, with Mao in the other mouth (and Leopold II up his rear). I know you think it didn’t happen: what were all the bodies they found then? Where did those piles of women’s shoes come from? If the Nazis were being railroaded at Nuremberg, why did none of them deny it? It’s totally possible for a single ethnic group to both have injustice done to them and do injustice to others; this is most of history, in fact. Were the English oppressed or oppressors? Which time period are you talking about, and where?

    More likely going on about the Holocaust isn’t going to win them any points in Ukraine, where they suffered their own Holocaust, which is bigger by some estimates.

    Lindbergh’s right about who would want war with Germany, and who would want to knock Russia down now (roughly, the US-UK-AIPAC axis).

    As for Stalin…I don’t think anyone hired him to do anything. The guy was notorious for being brutal and power-hungry. I think the US and UK and Russia both had an interest in containing Germany, and did so. The Germans weren’t making themselves any friends as they marched through Poland, Lithuania, or any of the other countries.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  119. uddeboda says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Not knowing where you reside, I say that everybody in the USA who pays taxes end up doing the same thing………all the Welfare, benefits food stamps etc etc etc……….that the poor and the under priviledged in the USA………taxes pay their benefits……….the only difference being is that Yanks dont like to support others less well off, whereas Swedes do it cos they Believe it is right, and it is right. Sweden is often called by others, the cradle to grave society………only because they dont know our society works…….simple as that………….

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  120. Seraphim says:

    Europe opened the gates to muslim invasion when it denounced her Christain heritage and renounced to defend it. It is karma after all, inevitable consequence of Europe’s actions.

    • Replies: @Romanian
  121. uddeboda says:

    So, the Germans didnt firebomb British cities, had you lived in a British city like I did during 1940, then you would know that the Germans did exactly the same only on a much smaller scale, they had only small Twin engined bombers, that could carry only a very modest load, but the bombs were Always a mix of high explosives and incenduries, vast areas of many British cities were set ablaze, whole neighbourhoods were burning for days 1000s killed. When the Brits bombed Germany, they were 1000 4 engined Heavy bombers doing exactly the same thing

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  122. annamaria says:

    “…Soviet charges of war crimes committed by the Division never went beyond mudslinging…”

    There have been several white-washing books about the “pure soldiers” of the 14th Waffen SS. The situation with Galicia Nazi-collaborators resembles the story of “freedom-fighters” in Afghanistan and the “moderate” fighters of ISIS.
    Basically, it was a policy of “reconciliation” that prevented the prosecution of Slavic Nazi criminals: “…Ukrainian military units, such as the SS Galician Division or the Ukrainian Self Defense Legion, remained loyal to the Nazis. Veterans of the Galician see themselves as freedom fighters.
    Post-Soviet Ukraine has failed to investigate, prosecute or bring to trial a single Nazi war criminal… The same is true of other post-Communist countries with a record of Nazi collaboration such as Latvia, Estonia and Belarus… to bring such people to justice would be very politically unpopular in Eastern Europe.”,7340,L-4413813,00.html

    By the way, the glorified independence of Ukraine was granted to Ukraine by bolsheviks in 1917 and it lasted till 1920 (it was “discontinued” on the orders of the same bolsheviks, including influential Ukrainians). Here is the duration of Ukraine independence: 1917-1920. The southern confederates in the US would understand Ukrainians.

    The 14th Waffen SS did participate in killing out the east European partisans. In your post from wikipedia, you have omitted the following fragments:
    “In mid February 1944 the division received an order to form a battle group known as SS Kampfgruppe Beyersdorff for action against Soviet and Polish partisans. It operated in the Zamość area together with elements of the 5th Regiment, while elements of the 4th Regiment were sent to Brody. The SS Kampfgruppe performed its duty well enough that it earned the rare praise of German Field Marshal Walter Model.
    From the end of September 1944, the division was used against the Slovak National Uprising…The division acted against rebels together with the 18th SS Volunteer Panzer Grenadier Division Horst Wessel, the SS-Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger SS, the Vlasov detachment and other SS and SD formations until 5 February 1945.”

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  123. Nick says:

    PIGS originally meant Ireland as the I rather than Italy, although Italy can be added to make PIIGS, In addition, Ireland needed a bailout during the sovereign debt crisis & Italy did not.

    • Replies: @anon
  124. viking says:

    “The EU is ruled by a class of people who have completely sold themselves to the United States. The best examples of this sorry state of affairs is the Libyan debacle which saw the US and France completely destroy the most developed country in Africa only to now have hundreds of thousands of refugees cross the Mediterranean and seek refuge from war in the EU. This outcome could have been very easy to predict, and yet the European countries did nothing to prevent it. In fact, all these Obama Wars (Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan) have resulted in huge movements of refugees.”

    Why assume they didn’t intend this result, There’s decades worth of UN white papers calling for the destruction of European ethnic identify through massive immigration, maybe they wanted to accelerate it. You’re right it could have easily been predicted since it was already happening, and these are very smart people.I know its hard to face or believe such evil, but our elites want us wiped out as a race they want to rule over a less intelligent less independent ,mongrelized underclass.

  125. viking says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    cutting off ones nose to spite ones face is just stupid, technically speaking if we go extinct gnon has judged us unworthy but lets not rush things. There are still plenty of us who who actually be quite fine sending immigrants back to war and abject poverty if thats what they made of their homes then they must learn the consequences, and plenty of us would be fine stringing the western elite from lamposts like mussolini,all in good time people are waking up.whats needed are ushers to the darkness, they were slowly indoctrinated and the awakening will take time but we have nature on our sided it does seem hopeless at times. it would help if deep anti state were formed

  126. anon • Disclaimer says:

    The Irish banks needed a bailout. When the Irish banks lied and bribed the Irish government to transfer the banks’ debts to the state then the Irish state needed a bailout.

    If the Irish government had let the Irish banks go bust and put the top tiers of banksters in jail – which is what should have happened everywhere – then the world wouldn’t be in a grand depression slowly sliding to the next bankster caused world war.

    • Agree: Bill Jones
  127. Romanian says:

    It did not denounce its Christian heritage, it secularized it. All this nauseating universalism of European values and such is Christian doctrine in disguise. Catholic in particular. Look at the Vatican’s stance towards the refugees. There is no reason to suppose that we wouldn’t have had a Muslim invasion either way, just one more well behaved towards the host religion and with fewer local converts in prison and such, if the religion were still going strong. Still an invasion. The kind of Christianity that can keep away an invasion might be Orthodox Christianity, which is broken up into autocephalous churches which minister to a particular people and that’s it. That would be the kind of nationalist church that is less likely to screw you over with the refugees. They don’t get too many converts, though they do accept them.

    • Replies: @Curle
    , @Jeremiah
  128. @SolontoCroesus

    There’s an “American Experience” docu-film titled “The Bombing of Germany,” funded, in part, by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting — that is, American taxpayers (and others).

    It was written, produced and directed by an Israeli, Zvi Dor-Ner, who was educated in USA, worked for WGBH (produces propaganda films to further dumb-down American audiences then scurries back to Israel.)

    The docufilm does not mention that under a 1939 executive order signed by FDR, USA set up a research facility at Dugway in Utah where Erich Mendelsohn assisted in the design and construction of detailed mock-ups of German workers housing where US Air Force and Standard Oil developed methods and practiced creating firestorms to achieve the maximum human and residential infrastructure devastation — “burning whole” — a holocaust.

    Zvi Dor-Ner emphasizes that Berlin was a major target in the air war; the film says that “Bomber” Harris was obsessed with destroying Berlin, where the Reichstag was.

    Why then did US Air Force and Erich Mendelsohn design and build a mock up of German worker’s housing and not a mock up of the Reichstag?
    The Reichstag was not destroyed by Allied bombing; the Russians blew it up when they took Berlin, and rampaged and raped.

    The docu white-washes that US deliberately targeted civilians.

    Tami Biddle, who teaches WWII history at the war college in Carlisle, PA, pops in and out of the docufilm, explaining as if she’s talking to an intellectually impaired 10-year old that “when you go to war choices have to be made …. To defeat this enemy we had to make some choices that were, in some ways, regrettable.

    Does that mean we can turn the monstrosity of a USHMM in Washington, DC into a roller-rink and instead send an “it’s regrettable” note to the millions of Jews who survived a war in which “choices had to be made?”

    Near the end of the docufilm the narrator recounts how much of Germany was destroyed “in a war that Germany started.”

    In the closing comment of the “Bombing of Germany” docufilm historian Conrad Crane says:

    “I see this idea of targeting civilians, killing civilians to be unethical. Though the most unethical act in World War II for the Allies would have been allowing themselves to lose.”

    Historian Crane’s history has a gaping hole: it fails to acknowledge that the US Air Force planned to kill German civilians — which is what German and Japanese Villages at Dugway signify — well before a war was “necessary” much less “moral.”

    A C Grayling features himself a moral philosopher. In his book, “Among the Dead Cities,” and discussions of it, Grayling begins with:

    “Germany was evil and wicked and had to be defeated. The most immoral thing would have been to have failed to defeat Germany because it was the aggressor.”

    Then he argues that targeting German civilians was immoral.
    Grayling also fails to acknowledge the existence of German village at Dugway (tho he mentions in one discussion that “someone told me the other day about Japanese village …”)

    In an appearance that is in the C Span archives, Irving Kristol (iirc) states, from the podium, that “FDR lied and manipulated to get USA into war against Germany. “I’m glad he did, of course,” quips Kristol.

    In “1939: The War that had Many Fathers,” Maj. Gen. Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof presents evidence that Hitler and the NSDAP made numerous efforts and overtures to achieve a peaceful settlement of the Danzig question, the precipitating event of what became WWII.

    Patrick Buchanan makes a related argument — that WWII was an “unnecessary war.”

    If a war is entered into “unnecessarily,” and “based on lies,” then how can it possibly be deemed to be “moral?”

    Finally, in Jan. 2015 Robert Cohen posted an article on the Mondoweiss website that included this paragraph:

    Holocaust denial will remain a fringe issue. The documentation is secure in its veracity and overwhelming in its volume. If anything, today’s school children are in danger of thinking that Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin went to war against Hitler because of what was happening to the Jews. –

    The implication is that Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin did not go to war against Hitler because of what was happening to the Jews.

    Two questions arise:
    1. How did “today’s school children” arrive at that implicitly erroneous thinking, and is it a problem that they are thus miseducated?


    2. If Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin did not go to war against Hitler because of what was happening to the Jews, then why did Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin did go to war against Hitler?

    These questions have enormous import for the way the American people, from school children on up, think about their leadership and their interactions with other nations and peoples in the world.

    At the heart of the firebombing campaign against Germany, according to A C Grayling, was Sir Arthur Harris’s ideation, formed when Harris “had to bomb intransigent tribesmen in Iraq into submission in the 1920s,” that attacking the civilian population was the most effective way to achieve the capitulation of a government.

    But as Jorg Friedrich states in “The Fire,” firebombing did not cause the the German people to turn on their government and did not bring about the capitulation of the German government. The opposite happened.

    When George H W Bush invaded Iraq in 1990-91, his goal was not to save the babies who had been thrown out of incubators, nor to liberate Kuwait. Bush’s diaries show that he invaded Iraq for the same reasons “Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin went to war against Hitler” — to impose the Anglo-zionist will on the (German) Iraqi people.

    Bush 41 did not take the war to Baghdad and unseat Saddam in 1991 because the Bush team “was 99% certain that the Iraqi people would see that the US could offer them a better way and they would overthrow Saddam themselves.”
    They had the Bomber Harris mindset.
    They are still not disabused of it.

    Today the Anglo zionist matrix is telling the same sorts of lies about Iran that were told about Germany in 1933 and about Iraq in 1990 — 2003 — until today.

    Iran is surrounded by US bases.

    Iran has no nuclear weapons. Israel does.

    Iran’s people have been sanctioned with the stated goal of causing them to rise up and force the capitulation of their government — the Bomber Harris mindset.

    And not unlike the mock-ups of German and Japanese workers housing that US built in Utah in WWII, the Obama administration used “voluminous confidential data” from the IAEA to build a full-scale mock-up of Iranian nuclear facilities in Oak Ridge, Tenn.

    American congressmen are assured that the Iran agreement will make it easier for the USA to successfully militarily attack and defeat Iranian defenses.

    This is what your country is doing, Citizen America.

    While Sam Shama and his ilk are belly aching about a holocaust (fauxlocaust) that didn’t happen to Jewish survivors (duh), the USA, having so-far failed to come to terms with the very real holocaust it waged on Germany, and on Iraq and Viet Nam, Lebanon and Palestine, is planning the next very real holocaust — against Iran.

    When does Never Again start?

    @125. :

    “You [ Americans ] sold out your own patrimony [to the likes of Zvi Dor-Ner, AIPAC and fauxolocaustism]. Unforgivable. You deserve to go extinct.”

  129. @iffen

    Genghis Khan’s Mongols didn’t muse on the poverty of their culture when they sacked half the globe. History often finds the uncultured preying on the cultured. In short: aggression, technical prowess, and aesthetics don’t always come together in equal measure. Having the first two can make an imposing force. Having only the first makes for a sullen underclass, having the last two tends to produce those great lost societies history weeps for.

    • Agree: Romanian
    • Replies: @iffen
  130. Flower says:
    @Max Payne

    “”Even if the US did not enter the European theater the Soviets would have cleaned house with ease.”

    “The Allied invasion of Europe proper (Normandy landings; June 6th 1944) was way too late to do anything.”

    Interesting answer; however.
    The ease with which the Russkies would have cleaned the German house was due in large part because of American supplies to Russia (including raw materials and finished goods such as tanks and planes and food) and by the time Russia started to have success (Stalingrad, for example) the German industrial productivity was greatly curtailed by US air power bombing the factories and rail yards. By 6/6/44 the German Luftwaffe was struggling (and losing) to keep any presence in the air. The allies used the tactic: if it moves, shoot it.

  131. @SFG

    Stalin did kill more people than Hitler, and yes, if Hitler had killed 6 million Armenians nobody would care unless the Armenians owned the newspapers.

    yes sirree.

    I know you think it didn’t happen: what were all the bodies they found then? Where did those piles of women’s shoes come from?

    I think the dogmatized narrative of a Jewish holocaust is a lie. Of course a lot of people died, many of them wrongfully and brutally, including Jewish people. I don’t think Jewish lives are worth a ruble more than any other life.
    Moreover, as you noted re Lindbergh, Jews were among those who wanted war.
    There are whole library shelves attesting to the activities of Jewish people to start and perpetuate the war. As Jeffrey Herf said to Carla Cohen in Washington, DC a few years ago, “No war, no final solution.”
    If you don’t want your people to die, don’t provoke wars in the places where they live.
    Hitler did not want war.
    “Choices are made in war … sometimes it’s regrettable.”

    re those bodies: We know they are Jewish bodies because ________ ? (fill in the blanks).

    We know they are Jewish bodies and that they died in gas chambers because — no, wait, that doesn’t work.

    We know that Jewish survivors were holocaust victims because holocaust means whole burnt offering and survivors are — no, wait, that doesn’t work.

    We know that “all those piles of women’s shoes” are evidence of a holocaust because what Jewish holocaust survivor would high-tail it to Palestine or New York City or Brazil or a safe place in Russia, for the duration, without her opera pumps? In the late 1930s Tel Aviv was congested with the chauffeured Mercedes-Benzes of German-Jewish holocaust survivors, presumably barefoot.

    If the Nazis were being railroaded at Nuremberg, why did none of them deny it?

    Apparently you think Donald Rumsfeld invented torture-confessions.

    Take a look at what happened to Joachim Pieper, accused of war crimes in the killing of 34 Americans in ; prosecuted by ___ “Pearl, a passionate zionist, who was convinced that the Germans had been given orders to kill anyone between Antwerp and Malmady and although the orders were not written down, he was convinced that Dietrich and Pieper knew about them.”

    The prosecution spanned decades; Pieper defend himself and was jailed, served sentence and was released (iirc).
    Thereafter he stayed in Germany, led a quiet life until his house was killed by arsonists who torched his house.

    check out Freda Utley’s on-the-scenes account of what went on in Germany after the war.
    The High Cost of Vengeance
    (btw Freda Utley’s son Jon lives in the USA and is part of a group that attempts to return US to just and traditional values.)

    The killing of German civilians did not stop when the war ended in May 1945, it accelerated.
    also see Gruesome harvest: the costly attempt to exterminate the people of Germany

  132. Clyde says:

    SolontoCrapulous has lots of idle time to type paragraph after paragraph of Jews_are_out_to_get_me crap.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Sherman
  133. Jeremiah says:

    The bombing of crowded cities in the war was a scandal, but the Germans lost all moral authority on this issue when they bombed Warsaw in 1939. Britain should have begun bombing German cities the very next day. I don’t know why Chamberlain didn’t do this. He was probably still hoping for a negotiated peace settlement with Hitler and didn’t want to escalate the conflict.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  134. @uddeboda

    Welfare creates horrible incentives. You are subsidizing a resentful African/Middle-Eastern underclass with much higher fertility rates. Eventually, there won’t be enough Swedes left to pay taxes.

    • Replies: @uddeboda
  135. @Jeremiah


    The bombing of crowded cities in the war was a scandal, but the Germans lost all moral authority on this issue when they bombed Warsaw in 1939.

    “The tonnage dropped combined with only approximate delivery on target and the short duration does not begin to approximate the intensity of attacks major European cities were subsequently to suffer.”

    BOMBING OF WARSAW: Poland. World War II. 1939.

    The Luftwaffe opened the German attack on Poland with operation Wasserkante, an air attack on Warsaw on 1 September. This attack by four bomber groups was of limited effectiveness due to low lying cloud cover and stout Polish resistance by the PZL P.11 fighters of the Pursuit Brigade, which shot down 16 German aircraft for the loss of 10 of their own. However, heavy losses in Polish fighter aircraft meant that by 6 September the air defense of Warsaw was in the hands of the 40 mm and 75 mm anti-aircraft guns of the Warsaw Defense Command.

    As the German Army approached Warsaw on 8 September 1939, 140 Junkers Ju-87 Stukas attacked the portions of the city on the east bank of the Vistula River and other bombers bombed the Polish Army positions in the western suburbs. On 13 September Luftwaffe level and dive bombers caused widespread fires. Further resistance was followed by propaganda leaflet drops.

    Finally, starting at 0800 on 25 September, Luftwaffe bombers under the command of Major General Wolfram von Richthofen conducted the first major city attack of World War II, dropping 500 tons of high explosive bombs and 72 tons of incendiary bombs, in coordination with heavy artillery shelling by Army units. The center of Warsaw was badly damaged. Approximately 1,150 sorties were flown by a wide variety of aircraft, including even obsolescent Junkers Ju-52/3m bombers, which dropped 13 percent of the incendiary bombs dropped on the day.

    Although commonly portrayed as being absolutely decisive, the Black Monday air attack was a mixed success. Smoke from fires and large amounts of dust obscured targets and greatly reduced accuracy. As a result, Luftwaffe bombers dropped a significant amount of their bomb loads on German infantry positions in the northwest suburbs of the city, leading to acrimonious discussions between Luftwaffe and Army commanders. The tonnage dropped combined with only approximate delivery on target and the short duration does not begin to approximate the intensity of attacks major European cities were subsequently to suffer.

    However, on 26 September three key forts in the city defenses were captured, and the Polish garrison offered its surrender – on 27 September German troops entered the city. Overall, Warsaw suffered approximately 40,000 civilian deaths, 40 percent of the buildings in the city were damaged, and 10 percent of the buildings destroyed. However, to attribute this destruction completely to aerial bombardment would be an error; damage included that resulting from intense street fighting between German infantry and armor units and Polish infantry and artillery, as well as from constant bombardment by German artillery.

    The air attacks on Warsaw, especially the culminating mass attack on 25 September, confirmed in the mind of French and British leaders earlier perceptions of the vulnerability of cities to a single massive air attack.

    Sources: Boyne, Walter J., Colonel, The Influence of Air Power upon History, New York, New York, United States of America, Pelican Publishing Company, 2003.

    Neillands, Robin, British Commission for Military History, The Bomber War: The Allied Air Offensive Against Nazi Germany, Woodstock, New York, United States of America, The Overlook Press, 2001.

    Zaloga, Steven J., Institute for Defense Analyses, Poland 1939: The birth of Blitzkrieg, Botley, Oxford, United Kingdom, Osprey Publishing Ltd., 2002.

    Mosier, John, Loyola University, The Blitzkrieg Myth: How Hitler and the Allies Misread the Strategic Realities of World War II, New York, New York, United States of America, HarperCollins Publishers, 2003.

    University of Richmond


    @ Jeremiah:

    Britain should have begun bombing German cities the very next day. I don’t know why Chamberlain didn’t do this. He was probably still hoping for a negotiated peace settlement with Hitler and didn’t want to escalate the conflict.

    Very good question.

    It was because of the British pact with Poland that Poland refused to consider the very generous peace offers made by Germany, on numerous occasions over many months.

    Britain not only “did not bomb German cities” nor in any other way come to Poland’s defense, as it had promised to do, because Britain did not have the means to do so, not in weaponry, not in forces, not in finance.

    The British never did fulfill its pact and come to the aid of Poland — never.
    Churchill’s ally, Josef Stalin, invaded Poland shortly after the Germans did, and the British did nothing about that either.
    The British suckered Poland into a war that did not have to be waged and then abandoned Poland, for the next 50 years. The Danzig question could have been settled nonviolently, but for the perfidious British pact.

    • Replies: @Jeremiah
  136. @Clyde

    IDF choke-holds and man-handles 12-year old Palestinian boy whose arm is in a cast.

    The boy’s sister, about the same age, comes to his rescue, as do other Palestinian girls and women.

    The brave soldier calls for help as he is unmasked and finally forced to release the child.

    As he leaves he tosses a tear-gas grenade toward the rescuers.

    If an American were restrained in a choke-hold by a policeman in an American city, there would be howls of protest and the offending officer would be reprimanded (at least that’s the way it used to be before US police started to be trained by Israelis).

    If the USA did not send so much US taxpayer money to Israel, maybe Israelis would not be so wasteful of their resources. One tends to be more careful with resources one has to pay for oneself.

  137. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Delibertely targetting civilian areas and developing techniques like creating firestorms to maximizse civilian caualties was unique to the allied bombing campaign. The British were also the first to bomb German cities and not the other way round.
    Note that all German bombing campaigns were part of military operations, against military targets and with a military (tactical) objective. Thus they were allowed according to the international rules of war. Allied bombing against cities far behind the front, with the aim to kill as many civilians as possible on the other hand qualifies as a war crime. But there was never anyone who brought charges against them (unsurprisingly).

    • Replies: @uddeboda
    , @uddeboda
  138. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Perhaps “our” doesn’t refer to US citzens in general.

  139. @X

    In the traditional way: Buying or Blackmailing the native political filth.

  140. uddeboda says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    More crap, you dont know what you are talking about……………a woman from Burundi, speaking 5 languages. Children learning the language in a few months, and extremely polite, so my advice to you is STFU you dont know what you are talking about

    • Replies: @Romanian
  141. uddeboda says:

    “””Note that all German bombing campaigns were part of military operations, against military targets and with a military (tactical) objective”””, wrong wrong wrong…..obviously you didnt live in cities like London and Coventry, where residential and city centers were completely demolished……….so your comment is just rubbish

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  142. uddeboda says:

    Historical records show otherwise……….

    History records that the first bombing of mainland UK started August 12, 1940 under strict orders from Hitler (Aug 1) ‘not’ to target British cities. The Germans targeted British airfields (making some progress) and on Aug 23 started massive attacks on aircraft factories (the period Aug 24- Sept 6 is usually called the height or crucial time of the Battle of Britain when all hung in the balance).
    A little less officially (because it doesn’t always appear in the record) British Air Marshall Dowding memo-ed sometime about the last week August, that if the German progress kept up Britain might lose the air war in 3 weeks time.
    Back on the official record….the nights of August 23-24 the outskirts of London accidentally had bombs fall on it doing some damage and killing a few civilians, also the same nights bombing of airfields in Portsmouth had unintentionally killed almost 100 civilians. On August 25th Churchill ordered a large and showy bombing ‘retaliation’ of Berlin (a very difficult and daring thing at the very end of then British bomber range, as the Germans were using French airfields to bomb Britain), at least 81 bombers were used (a sizable force to risk at the time on such a risky mission

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  143. @uddeboda

    “the proud Citizens of Sweden thru taxation………..its what we call solidarity”

    I would call it government mandated parasitism.

  144. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    There was nothing even comparable to the carpet bombing by the allies. Some civilian quarters were hit but all military historians agree that the attacks’ aim were against military installations. The degree of destruction and the number of civilians killed in London and the quoted to death Coventry aren’t even remotely comparable to the havoc created by Allied firebombing.

    First British airstrike against Germany was in 1939 against Bremen.

  145. @uddeboda

    That doesn’t contradict Anonymous as you start by suggesting it does. Anyway…..Clearly the honour of setting the standard for the use of bombers had been Hitler’s years before at Guernica practising for bigger events to come.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  146. iffen says:
    @yaqub the mad scientiat

    Very good comment.

    I just thought that it was silly to say that the US has no culture. Further, putting a statement like that into one’s writing makes me wonder about the value of the particulars and the whole of the article.

    I just finished Peter Heather’s book. One of the many observations that stayed with me is how the Germanic tribes were very keen to appropriate as much of the Roman culture as they could manage. Maybe that is one of the reasons that the Germanic tribes did so well after that and into the modern era. Isn’t the ability to recognize the “good stuff” and copy the hell out of it a big part of the explanation of here now?

    • Replies: @Romanian
  147. Sherman says:

    One tends to have a lot of idle time when he’s unemployed.

  148. Curle says:

    “It did not denounce its Christian heritage, it secularized it. All this nauseating universalism of European values and such is Christian doctrine in disguise.”


    • Replies: @Seraphim
  149. anon • Disclaimer says:

    sliding towards ww3 while arguing about ww2

  150. Romanian says:

    Speaking French like the natives, with no accent, did little to dissuade Saïd and Chérif Kouachi from attacking the offices of other French speakers with AK 47s. But I guess that your acquaintance from Burundi who speaks 5 languages (and her polite children) invalidates all statistical evidence of increased violence and lawlessness on the part of immigrants and their descendants towards their naive hosts.

  151. Romanian says:

    The idea that the US has no culture is absurd. What people rely on when invoking this stereotype is the visibility and success of the US’ unique brand of commoditized low-brow culture, which has been, of course, copied extensively throughout the world.

    • Replies: @iffen
  152. B.R. says:

    The Jewish are high-function in areas of mental prowess.

    IMO, their weakness is the same as their strength. High verbal intelligence. I suspect that combined with their cultural background tending toward messianic thought, it makes them more vulnerable to kooky but appealing ideas, such as the infamous apocalyptic cult which originated in Trier and later took over Russia…

  153. Jeremiah says:

    There was plenty that could have been done to help the Poles. The French and British had over a million men on the German border, and Britain had hundreds of bombers capable of reaching nearly every part of Germany. Yet little was done with all of this until after the Germans attacked in the west in 1940. Why?

    I think Chamberlain was more worried about the Russians than the Germans. He wanted Hitler to get out of Poland and stop molesting non-communist nations in general, but he wanted to do this without a full scale war that would only advantage the Soviet Union.

    The British never did fulfill its pact and come to the aid of Poland — never.
    Churchill’s ally, Josef Stalin, invaded Poland shortly after the Germans did, and the British did nothing about that either.

    This greatly simplified matters. Stalin was Hitler’s ally, not Churchill’s. And now rabid anti-Communists (like Churchill) could slay Germans in good conscience that in so doing they were also fighting Bolshevism.

  154. Jeremiah says:

    That’s true, and it explains why wealthy East Asian cultures aren’t experiencing the same problem. There’s no obligation in Confucian moral ethics to show generosity to poor strangers. According to Confucius a good citizen is supposed to show concern for their ruler, wife, brothers, father and friends. They have no obligation to strangers.

  155. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:


    HAHAHAHAHA! What a complete moron! Do you actually have any grasp of even a shred of REAL history? Methinks not! In fact seeing comments like yours – I KNOW not! Grow up.

  156. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    You sound very depressed at the view of what has become of the US and the EU. Russia is sweet and working fine, its leaders smart unlike the decadent and corrupt ignoramus we have in our countries.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  157. iffen says:

    What people rely on when invoking this stereotype is the visibility and success of the US’ unique brand of commoditized low-brow culture, which has been, of course, copied extensively throughout the world.

    Yes, that was my thinking. As far as I know we have had the greatest success in extending the lowest common denominator public life to every person in our society. We are truly cultural egalitarians extraordinaire.

    If one is going to write, why wouldn’t you write something similar to what you wrote instead of saying there is no culture?

    Leaving that aside, I think we fare well in theatre and film. Although I can only read translations from other languages, I think our literature can compare.
    Being a child of the low-brow segment, I don’t know much about classical music and the other artistic endeavors. Even so, I see a lot of performers in the musical field that are obviously as talented as one could hope to be.

  158. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    While we’re on the topic of genocides, the only issue I take re the Shoah is how the Lobby has tried to accord it preferential status among all other genocides.
    For example, Abe Foxman, head of the ADL, warned Ukrainians not to compare the two genocides, the Holodomor and the Holocaust:

    But one thing that you need to be sensitive about is not to link it (the Holodomor) with the Holocaust. Be careful that it not be linked as your genocide and our genocide, because that would be counter-productive.

    That’s why I took issue with how Rurik spelled it – with an upper case “H” for the Shoah, but a lower case “h” for all others. Do you agree with me that all genocides should be accorded equal standing, and be referred consistently to either as “Holocaust” or “holocaust,” with no distinctions being made?

    P.S. Israel has still yet to recognize the Holodomor as genocide.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  159. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    So where are the masses Western Europeans and Americans trying to move to Russia?

  160. Sam Shama says:

    Do you agree with me that all genocides should be accorded equal standing, ……

    You know that I do, all human life is equal, and Abe Foxman is not my moral guide. ( I am an ardent SENS supporter, which aims to extend and improve our earthly experience).

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  161. Ed says:

    Both the German and French migration ministers have said that they can take in as many refugees that arrive. They’ve denounced Hungary’s measures to keep migrants out and those that are there from moving on. As a result the Hungarians have allowed those in Hungary to continue on their journey.

    Today 20,000 Austrians massed in Vienna outside of Parliament in support of refugees. The European countries are more concerned about appearing tolerant than anything else so I say let the refugees come by the millions

  162. a German says:

    Saker is right, there is a campaign bringing in all this people. To much obvious press propaganda, too much young man, to little families no wifes and children they pretend to miss. And why did they leave them alone in a “war zone”?

    EU is not able to stop it. No working government, only bureaucrats just able to handle their own interests. No structure to integrate, no work. Unneeded people, budgets spent into language teaching, instead of engineering or carpenters needed.

    Were driving into trouble, all this so called refugees for what?

    Next refugee camp is 200 meter from my home. There looking good, healthy quite normal. Not like the people from Kosovo or Bosnia years ago. There was panic and war horror in the eyes and disturbing body language. Today nothing.

    What’s going on?

  163. Seraphim says:

    @All this nauseating universalism of European values and such is Christian doctrine in disguise.

    It is not “Christian doctrine” in disguise. It is preverted Christian doctrine, a parody. Christianity is a sacred doctrine, which is the opposite of secular.

  164. Seraphim says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    @What’s the story which gives power to Jewish assertion that the Nazis aimed to destroy them and what’s wrong with it?

    It is a lie.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  165. @Sam Shama

    I have tended to regard the Holocaust as special because it was done by the Germans, the nation of Goethe and Schiller and countless great scholars of history and religion and archaeology. Perhaps 1848 was a potential turning point that failed to bring the Germans to liberal democracy…. Anyway the Khmer Rouge and Hutu just didn’t quite rank with les Boches.

    And I have never been able to lose sight of the brainpower lost to the world.

    If you believe in a God who created the heavens and earth and finally got round to shaping homo sapiens you might listen intently to your spiritual adviser and learn that all people are in some sense equal though you mightn’t want to accept the equality of the imams of ISIS who would enslave and rape your daughters and behead your sons.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  166. @Seraphim

    “It’s a lie” Well what is that lie and who manufactured it and when and how did it gain acceptance by, not least, the Germans who were in the best position to know what happened? (You are not, I suppose, going to say that the Nazis didn’t aim to destroy the Jews: it was just that the millenial hatred of Jews by ordinary German people couldn’t help expressing itself whenever Germans in occupied countries came across Jews).

    A lie is something said by someone who knows it is not true. Clearly most ordinary Jews believe the standard histories of the Holocaust. The Nuremberg trials werent run by Jews though there were some Jewish interpreters so you must be able to point to the Jewish people who consciously started to manufacture false storylies, in what form and when they did it. How was it coordinated so it came out as one consistent whole? Und so weiter.

    • Agree: Sam Shama
  167. Sam Shama says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I am grateful that the intellectually discerning can distinguish between the crimes committed by the kin-folk of Goethe and Schiller and the many other random genocides that humans have visited on each other. I have spoken of it previously:

    I feel its rather natural that every ethnic group remember the tragedies that befell their own communities, if only to serve as constant reminders aimed to prevent repetitions.

    If you believe in a God who created the heavens and earth and finally got round to shaping homo sapiens you might listen intently to your spiritual adviser and learn that all people are in some sense equal though you mightn’t want to accept the equality of the imams of ISIS who would enslave and rape your daughters and behead your sons.

    Quite, and isn’t it is fairly straightforward to exclude the imams of the ISIS from the ranks of humans?

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  168. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    I am grateful that the intellectually discerning can distinguish between the crimes committed by the kin-folk of Goethe and Schiller and the many other random genocides that humans have visited on each other.

    On what basis should we be distinguishing, Sam?

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  169. Sam Shama says:

    That there is an inherent paradox in human nature; culture distinguishes the cultured from savages, yet it does not pre-empt a proclivity for violence, and in that man stands naked before his Maker.

  170. It does help to keep dissenters in line when questioning the official holocaust dogma can land a person in jail. and/or destroyed personally and professionally. I have no doubt that many Germans had a special dislike for Jews after the Weimar era, and the holodomar didn’t do much for the Jewish reputation either, but there has never been a document produced giving the order to exterminate Jews. Yes, Jews were rounded up and put into concentration camps, along with others, but Americans did the same thing with the Japanese with less reason.

    I’ve often heard the claim that Germans didn’t know of a holocaust. If there was no attempt at extermination, then it stands to reason that they really didn’t know. And how much are you going to protest after seeing your nation reduced to rubble and being force-fed the Nuremberg show-trials? The victors did write history in the case of WWII, and much of that history was made from confessions given under torture or outright lies.

    I don’t really know what the truth about the holocaust is, but it obviously isn’t what we are told. Six million is obviously a made up figure, there were no human lamp shades or soap, Jews weren’t burned alive in ovens and Zyklon B wasn’t streaming out of shower heads. Many probably were killed as partisans or Bolsheviks, but the piles of corpses at the end of the war were most likely victims of the diseases and starvation that also killed many Germans at the time.

    No matter what happened, Jews have been grossly over-compensated. What is the value of Palestine? How much did it cost to build modern Israel? How much does it cost to arm and defend Israel? Add to that the constant aid and the payments made to victims of the Germans, and it has to be a pretty penny. How much is a Jewish life worth?

  171. Online vote on whether NZ should increase its refugee quota roughly 50/50.

  172. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Switzerland has NEVER been part of the EU in no way. Switzerland only has bilateral contracts with the EU to regulate economic and political issues. Although I agree on this publication I m a little bit disappointed that the author didn’t feel the necessity to check the facts.
    kind regards

  173. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Is there evidence for gas chambers other than eyewitness testimony?

    The shootings on the Eastern Front are not in question, nor are the mass deaths from disease and malnutrition in the camps. It’s the gas chambers that are the point of controversy.

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  174. @Anonymous

    Anon, I don’t know that there is any real evidence for the gas chambers, other than eyewitness accounts. I’ve heard debates, but the expert testimony on the scientific details is lost on me. My guess is that there were no gassings.

    The shootings on the Eastern front are not in question, but if the people shot were partisans or Bolsheviks shot for crimes committed during the holodomar or other terror campaigns, that’s an extension of the war, and is not the same as just killing innocent Jews for the sake of killing Jews. Lots of non-Jews died of disease and starvation also, so the issue must be that people died in the camps. If that’s the hang-up, lots of non-Jews died in the camps. Whatever did happen, Germans were hardly the only people to put suspect groups in camps.

    The number of dead is also a major issue. Six million is obviously wrong, and some claim far fewer died. If the non-Jews who died in the camps or were killed by the Nazis and their allies were counted as one group, regardless of nationality, as Jews were, I’m not even sure that Jews would be the main victim group, no matter how many Jews died. If Jews weren’t the main victim group, what then? Do we all get a refund? A whole lot of people around the world have paid and sacrificed (most were not even remotely involved, let alone guilty of a crime) so that Jews can get their ton of flesh, whether they were victims or not.

    Six million Jewish dead is not worth the real estate in Palestine, let alone all the reparations, the cost of building, maintaining and defending Israel. What if far fewer Jews died, and they weren’t the victims they claimed to be, or even the main victim group? The official holocaust story is full of holes.

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  175. Kat Grey says:

    As usual Romanian has hit the nail on the head. Europe is being invaded and we will all suffer the dire consquences of being occupied by Africans; in particular young women and the elderly.

  176. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Apparently the all claim to by Syrians because they know Europeans have difficulty telling different kinds of brown people apart.

    (Something similar happened in the 1990s when lots of immigrants to Europe were claiming to be Bosnians.)

  177. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I’m not an expert on this stuff but I think there are documents signed by senior Nazis ordering Jews in the East shot just for being Jews. They were all assumed to be potential partisans.

    However the majority of European Jews at the time of Barbarossa were living outside of the war zone, in places like Poland that were at peace. It’s the killing of these people in gas chambers that is the iconic ‘Holocaust’. I believe the controversy over this is because there is no documentary evidence for this, as there are for the shootings.

  178. @Anonymus

    And why should innocent European people suffer for what the elites are doing ? They have no power to prevent anything. Also innocent people suffering for what their ancestors did (or didn’t do) hundreds of years ago is very Old Testament mentality.

  179. @Wizard of Oz

    Clearly the honour of setting the standard for the use of bombers had been Hitler’s years before at Guernica practising for bigger events to come.


    In a conversation with Christopher Hitchens some years ago (obviously), A C Grayling traced the use of terror bombing to 1920, when Sir Arthur Harris had to resort to the tactic to “get Iraqi tribesmen in line”.
    After reminding his audience that, when the British entered (what became) Iraq, they announced to the Arabs, “We come not as conquerors but as liberators.”
    Foolishly, Iraqi tribesmen resisted “liberation.”

    What’s a democratizer to do?

    Winston Churchill suggested using gas to punish tribal villagers — gas as a weapon had had dramatic impacts in WWI, Winnie knew. But the British empire was fresh out of gas shells, Grayling related, so Sir Arthur Harris took the next best approach: he dropped incendiary bombs wiping out entire villages where rebels were sheltered.

    After several such villages were wiped out by Harris’s liberating bombs, the rest of the Iraqi people got the message and capitulated.

    Harris, Churchill, and FDR and the Bushes, father, son and (presumably, given his threats to Iran) wholly ghost Jeb, drew the incorrect conclusion from the Harris model; namely, that terror bombing —>undermine civilian morale —> capitulation of government —> ‘democratization,’ Anglo zionist – style.

    Bomber Harris’s 1920 project in Iraq was the model for the western Allies firebombing of Germany (according to Grayling): it did not work: the German people did not bring down their government as a result of terror bombing.

    Nevertheless, when George H W Bush invaded Iraq to “liberate Kuwait” and save all those de-incubatored babies, he did so with the same motives and tactics as Bomber Harris, Churchill, and FDR: terrorize the civilians into forcing their government to capitulate. (Bush I’s biographer, Jeff Engel, records this in “Into the Desert”). Once again, it did not work; the Iraqi people did not overthrow Saddam.
    Bush II had to starve Iraq (like Germany was starved by British in WWI; like Indians were starved by British; like Iranians were starved by British — Brits really like that starvation thang; like Germans were starved and/or threatened with starvation by “International Jewry,” like Iraqis were starved by US-British; like Iran is threatened with starvation by Anglo zionists ), then invade again — still, the Iraqi people did not turn over their leader — who do you suppose protected Saddam for as long as he survived pre-spider hole? It was not the Iraqi people who hanged Saddam, it was the “coalition of the willing.” The Harris model did not work, again.

    Terrorizing a populace as a tactic to get the citizens of a state to force the capitulation of their government — the Sir Arthur “Bomber” Harris plan — has not worked since Harris deployed it in Iraq in 1920, yet Anglos, Americans, and zionists have tried it, and killed millions of people using the tactic, at least half a dozen times.

    It’s not just that its genocide for which the evil-doers have not been called to account.

    It’s that it’s a sign of stupidity, or rather, insanity that the “civilized, Joodayoh-Kristian” west keeps trying the same thing and getting the same result again and again and again, while other people’s children die.

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    , @Jeremiah
  180. @SolontoCroesus

    I should have said Eurpean precedent which left no doubt about what Hitler would be likely to do when it suited his purposes. WW1 certainly wasn’t an immediately civilising affair which would improve the manners of Europeans dealing with “uncivilised tribesmen”.. indeed General Dyer must have felt aggrieved that he wasn’t congratulated for his crowd control at Amritsar.

  181. “* The EU cannot absorb so many refugees”


    “* The EU does not have the means to stop them”

    Bullshit. These countries have militaries and the ones with coast lines have navies.

  182. Jeremiah says:

    Terrorizing a populace as a tactic to get the citizens of a state to force the capitulation of their government — the Sir Arthur “Bomber” Harris plan — has not worked since Harris deployed it in Iraq in 1920

    Unfortunately you’re wrong. It did work (or appeared to at the time) in Rotterdam in 1940. The Dutch capitulated within hours of that attack.

    Harris became obsessed with Rotterdam and spent the rest of the war trying to “Rotterdam” the Germans. It didn’t work. The attack on Berlin in the winter of 1943/44 was the culmination of this policy – to win the war by air alone – and it was a total failure.

    When the failure became apparent the Allied high command took away his control of the bombers and forced him to support ground operations instead. Unfortunately after the Battle of the Bulge this policy was reversed and Harris was allowed to go back to trying to “Rotterdam” the Germans. The destruction of Dresden followed shortly afterwards.

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