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At this time of writing, it is too early to declare the danger over, but at least three out of five Iranian tankers have made it safely to Venezuela (confirmation from TeleSur and PressTV). Furthermore, while we should never say “never”, it appears exceedingly unlikely that the US would let three tankers pass only to then try to impede the arrival of the other two. So it ain’t over until its over, but as of right now things look way better than last week.

Besides, this is mostly a symbolic issue. While these 5 tankers will make a difference, it won’t be a huge one, especially considering the devastating consequences which the US sanctions, sabotage and subversion have inflicted on Venezuela.

Still, symbols are important, if only because they create a precedent. In fact, I would argue that the latest climbdown by Trump is no different than all his other climbdowns: Trump has had a very consistent record of threatening fire and brimstone before quietly deflating walking away. And since he did that many times now, we have to wonder whether this strategy is effective or not?

One could argue that this strategy could be described by saying that you put the maximum pressure on the other side in the hope that the bluff will entice the adversary to fold. This could be a semi-credible argument where it not for a very simple but crucial problem: so far the other guys have never folded. In other words, Trump’s bluff has been called over and over again, and each time Trump had to quietly deflate.

Some will say that this only proves that Trump is truly a peace-loving President who, unlike his predecessors, does not want to go to war. But then, what about the cruise missile strikes on Syria? What about the murder of Soleimani?

Truth be told, the kindest thing we can say about this strategy (assuming that it is a strategy to begin with, not the evidence of a total lack of one) is that it is tantamount to yelling “fire!” in a crowded movie theater: the fact that Trump did not set any movie theater ablaze hardly justifies his yelling “fire” in such a dangerous environment. The perfect example of this kind of irresponsible behavior is the murder of General Soleimani which truly brought the US and Iran a millimeter away from a real, full-scale war.

Furthermore, while I salute Trump’s climbing down following the Iranian strikes, I also believe that in doing so he hurt the international image of the US. Why? Think about this: this is the first time ever (if I am not mistaken) that the US was the object of a major military strike coming from another state-actor and did not retaliate. In the past and until this Spring, the US always held the view that if anybody dares to mess with it this would result in very serious consequences. Thus the US upheld a world order in which some where a lot more equal than others. Specifically, “others” had to meekly accept US strikes and shut up whereas Uncle Shmuel could strike left and right and expect no retaliation.

By “accepting” the Iranian counter-strike, Trump did essentially place an “equal” sign between Iran and the US. He probably never understood that, but in the region this was understood by all.

Just as Hezbollah destroyed the myth of Israeli impunity, Iran destroyed the myth of US impunity.

Still, I will always prefer the politician who does not start a war (for whatever reason) to one who would. I also have no doubt whatsoever that Hillary would have started one, or even several, wars. But the fact that Hillary would have been even worse than Trump is hardly a reason to start fawning about Trump’s brilliant “5D chess” genius or peace-loving policies…

Trump reminds of a guy pointing a gun a people in the street only to later say “but it was a toy gun, I never meant to really shoot anybody”. This is definitely better than shooting people with a real gun, but this is hardly a sign of maturity or intelligence.

The other problem with this “strategy” (let’s assume for argument’s sake that this is a strategy of some kind): each time the “indispensable nation” and “sole hyperpower” has to climb down, it increasingly looks like a paper tiger. Not looking like such a paper tiger is probably the mean reason behind Michael Ledeen’s famous wordsEvery ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business“. In a strictly evil and imperialistic sense, Ledeen’s strategy makes a lot more sense than what Trump has been doing.

As Marx famously said, “History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce“. The outcome of what some now call the “Battle of Macuto Bay” is a perfect example of this: if the Bay of Pigs was the “root case” then the disaster in Grenada was the tragedy and the Battle of Macuto Bay the real farce.

Humor can be a devastating weapon and anybody who has studied the late Soviet Union (in the late Brezhnev years and after) knows how the Russian people ridiculed the Soviet leaders with literally thousands of jokes.

A real imperialist would much rather be hated than ridiculed, and while Trump himself probably does not realize that he is the laughingstock of the planet, his aides and deep state bosses most definitely do and that is very, very dangerous.

Why?

Because the pressure to, once again, “ pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall” increases with each climbdown (see my article “Each “Click” Brings Us One Step Closer to the “Bang!” for a fuller discussion of this).

Besides, finding an even smaller and weaker country than Venezuela will be hard (maybe the Island of Saba? or Grenada again? who knows?). And potentially very dangerous.

The other problem is predictability. Any international system requires that its most powerful actors be predictable. In contrast, when a major international actors acts in what appears to be unpredictable, irrational or irresponsible manner, this puts the entire stability of the system at risk.

ORDER IT NOW

This, by the way, is also why it is so disastrous that the US has withdrawn from so many international organizations or treaties: the participation in international organizations and treaties indicate that the US is willing to play by the same rules as everybody else. The fact that the US is ditching so many of its former international obligations only shows that the US has gone rogue and is from now on totally unpredictable.

Finally, there are also lessons for Moscow here, the main one being that when confronted with a determined adversary, the Empire tries to bluff, but eventually folds. True, Moscow has to be much more careful than Tehran simply because the consequences of a US-Russian war would be dramatically worse than even a major conflict in the Middle-East. Yet it is also true that over the past years the Russian armed forces did have the time to prepare for such a conflict and that now Russia is ready for pretty much anything the US could try to throw at her, at least in purely military terms.

In contrast to the military posture of Russia, the political environment in Russia has changed for the worse: there is now a potentially very dangerous “hardline” opposition to Putin which I have christened the “6th column”, as opposed to the liberal and pro-western 5th column. What these two “columns” have in common is that they both will categorically oppose pretty much anything and everything Putin does. The 6th column, in particular, has a seething hatred for Putin which is even more rabid than what the liberal 5th column usually express. Check out this excellent video by Ruslan Ostashko, who prefers the term “emo-Marxists” and who very accurately describes these folks. Whether we think of them as 6th-columnists or emo-Marxists does not matter, what matters is that these folks are eager to act like a soundboard for any and all anti-Putin rumors and fakes. While Putin certainly has his flaws, and while the economic policies of the Medvedev, and now Mishustin, government are a far cry from what most Russians would want, it is also true that these two “columns” are objectively doing the bidding of the Empire, which could present a real problem if the current pandemic-induced economic crisis in Russia is not tackled more effectively by the government.

I have always said that Iran, while being much weaker than Russia, has consistently shown much more courage in its dealings with the Empire than Russia. Furthermore, Iran’s policies are primarily dictated by moral and spiritual considerations (like in the case of Iran’s principled stance on occupied Palestine) while Russian policies are much more “pragmatic” (which is really a euphemism for self-serving). But then, Iran is an Islamic Republic whereas Russia still has to develop some kind of unifying and original worldview.

Conclusion:

For all his innumerable negative character traits and other flaws, it remains true that Trump has not launched a major war (so far). Yes, he has brought the world to the brink several times, but so far he has not plunged the world into a major conflict. How much of the credit for this truly should go personally to him is very debatable (maybe cooler heads in the military prevailed, I think of folks like General Mattis who, reportedly, was the one who stopped the US from seriously attacking Syria and settled for a symbolic strike). Some Russian analysts (Andrei Sidorov) even believe that the US is in no condition to fight any war, no matter how small. Furthermore, most (all?) Russian analysts also believe that the US is fully committed to a full-spectrum information and economic war to try to economically strangle both Russia and China. I think that it would be fair to say that nobody in Russia believes that the relationship with Trump’s US can, or will, improve. The tone in China is also changing, especially since the US has now launched a major anti-China strategic PSYOP. In other words, the US is merrily continuing down its current road which leads it to a simultaneous confrontation with not one, or even two, countries, but with a list of countries which seems to grow every day. So while it is true that in this case Trump appears to have canceled two wars, we should not assume that he won’t soon start one, if only to deflect the blame for his total mismanagement of the COVID19 crisis. Should that happen, we can only hope that all the “resistance countries” and movement will provide as much support as possible to whomever the Empire attacks next.

 
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  1. …especially considering the devastating consequences which the US sanctions, sabotage and subversion have inflicted on Venezuela.

    Here in the land of the free it is understood that Venezuela’s only problem is Socialism. You know. As in Socialism doesn’t work. What is this sanctions, sabotage and subversion of which you speak? If this was true wouldn’t the Democrats be criticizing it?

    The only way Trump could do a better job of dismantling the empire would be for him to do it intentionally. His misguided confidence in the American Dollar together with his slavish devotion to the State of Israel make him a loose cannon. Otherwise I think he would be content to be a player in a multi polar world.

  2. A123 says:

    Trump tricked Maduro into operations at maximum combat readiness.

    The U.S. Obtained

    High value facts:
    — How many planes were used
    — Mix of aircraft
    — Takeoff and Landing location(s)
    — Electronic warfare / AWACS capture of all emissions

    Subjective operational intelligence:
    — Did the response match anticipated VAF doctrine?
    — Pilot readiness and coordination based on plane-to-plane chatter.

    Opposition resource depletion, specifically military engines that need routine maintenance at regular intervals:
    — How many engine hours did the VAF expend?
    — Were any VAF aircraft pushed into maintenance downtime?
    — How many spare engines/parts does the VAF have on hand?
    _______

    What did Maduro get?

    Five tankers of Kerosene. And, by importing finished product, Maduro announced to the world that PDVSA no longer has the capability to effectively refine petroleum.
    _______

    Symbols are important.

    — Trump told Maduro to jump.
    — Maduro asked, “How high?” And, then did exactly what Trump wanted.

    This was a massive symbolic victory for Trump.

    Maduro’s standing among world leaders is diminished. This was not a sophisticated operation on the part of the U.S. Yet, the dim and gullible Maduro fell for it anyway — hook, line, and sinker.

    PEACE 😷

    • Disagree: Gleongelpi, uncoy
    • LOL: Bill Jones
    • Troll: bluedog, GazaPlanet
  3. @WorkingClass

    Those that have been holding out for Trump, wittingly or otherwise, to take a sledge hammer to the Imperium have not been entirely disappointed.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  4. Just another anti America anti Trump screed from the “ForSaker”…. Zzzzzzzzzz

    • Disagree: bluedog, Biff
    • LOL: HeebHunter
    • Replies: @Wally
    , @MLK
    , @FB
  5. TG says:

    Technically, a complete lack of strategy is itself a strategy. So it’s really impossible to not have a strategy!

    • Agree: Alfred
  6. Cking says:

    President Trump’s actions cannot be put into the proper context if the Global-International Financial Power’s war on the United States is not factored in. Trump’s Presidency threatened the 9/11 power, threatened the masters of the 2008 Financial Meltdown and its solution, the Rape of America. The Russiagate Hoax, Comey, Mueller’s Special Counsel Op, General Flynn’s plea deal, John Bolton, the neocons, the neoliberals, the Israeli cabal, the Coronavirus Crisis, and the present Looting of the US Treasury represented as the solution to Wall St.’s latest Financial Meltdown are manifestations of the ongoing irregular warfare offensive conducted against the United States. War avoidance is crucial and Trump is not panicked into declaring war in order to ‘unite the nation’ make the ongoing coup offensive go away and cover-up the Fed/Wall St. system’s bankruptcy.

    The irrational hatred of President Trump mars the Saker’s perception and genius for assessment and analysis. Trump is the only person in the United States government who appreciates the fact that wars cost money, the American people know and pay for them, and with all that’s going on in the traitorous Wall St. centered banker-speculator-financial system, it’s simply not possible to continue the Perpetual War Policy insanity. Hence the President knows what time it is, knows the real enemy, and his constituency; Trump’s war avoidance policy is an act of astute statesmanship. It’s that simple.

    • Agree: Seraphim
    • Replies: @sarz
    , @Anonymous
    , @bluedog
  7. Alfred says:
    @WorkingClass

    Here in the land of the free it is understood that Venezuela’s only problem is Socialism.

    It always amazing how countries like Iran and Venezuela always seem to fall into the trap of thinking that copying their enemy in any way is a sign of defeat.

    Iran is essentially being run exactly the same way as under the Shah. All power is constantly being centralized further on Tehran. The only way to get rich is through property speculation. Tehran is twice as big as it was in 1979. More of the same nonsense about private business being bad. Government-owned quasi-government monopolies (“Bunyads”) are the way to go.

    When I lived there in 1978 one US dollar bought 80 Rials. Today, it buys 42,000. A 500-fold devaluation – and it is not as though the USD has not also lost value. How are sanctions responsible for that? How can ordinary people create capital?

    An apartment in Tehran can cost $1m. Some people are getting very rich. However, the other 99.99% of the people are not.

    Venezuela has also been going down a similar road for generations. It takes a certain genius to starve people in a tropical country with plentiful rain and no shortage of land. How difficult is it to breed chickens, for example, in that climate? Chickens were originally a jungle bird and they flourish on insects and grubs.

    The main reason for this excessive centralization is oil. Without oil, governments would be compelled to decentralize. Isfahan, Mashad, Tabriz, Shiraz and others would return to their normal roles. There is absolutely no reason for Tehran to be so huge. The oil is not there. 🙂

    The real problem in these countries is a lack of intelligence. Low IQ. Those who are smart are forced to move to countries like the USA. This has also been going on for generations. It seems to be irreversible. A defeat of Israel would merely entrench the mind-set.

    • Thanks: Sean
  8. Rekas says:

    Saker, the novelist.
    Famous writtings: “The Nothingburger”, “LARPing as Russian”, “Irrelevant Soap Operas”.

    How about you announce another world threatening event next tuesday? I’m in for a laugh, like, you really miss the important stuff happening in the world, while you overblow all the wrong/irrelevant stuff.

    That’s amazing, a gift even!
    As an analist, you’re as good as word, so why not bet some money on it? You should have been a billionaire by now, right? The Iran WWIII thing, and now the Tanker Ship thing…

    What are you wainting for? Come on! Do it!
    You live by making soap operas out of fearmongering, no different than all of those crappy journalists in the USSR Cold War days.

    “It’s gonna happen! Trust me! This time is for real!”

    You’re a LARPer Schizo, playing geopol.
    It must all be real in your mind.

    But let me throw something substantial in your face:
    You lost the recent Glazyev report, this was something that really showed your level.

    • Replies: @Melotte 22
  9. Biff says:
    @WorkingClass

    Here in the land of the free it is understood that Venezuela’s only problem is Socialism. You know. As in Socialism doesn’t work. What is this sanctions, sabotage and subversion of which you speak? If this was true wouldn’t the Democrats be criticizing it?

    This is either sarcasm or the dumbest comment on an inter-galactic level. Socialism works just fine if your a Wall Street banker, or a stock investor during Covid-19, or if you want to compare the average American to the average Venezuelan, the American wins on the Socialism front – more entitlements per capita in the States!

    Democrats criticizing their wars?! I think not….

    • Troll: mocissepvis
  10. Biff says:
    @Alfred

    How difficult is it to breed chickens, for example, in that climate? Chickens were originally a jungle bird and they flourish on insects and grubs.

    Why would you breed them in the first place, when the oil trade was bringing in chickens at half the price any chicken farmer could do locally? In fact, because of the oil every other commodity was practically free minus shipping. Let’s see Alfred raise some below cost chicken, and we’ll have a bbq?

    • Replies: @Flubber
  11. Seraphim says:
    @Alfred

    It might be politically incorrect, but has Islam nothing to do with the stifling of intelligence in Iran and the other ‘holes’ of the ME?

  12. Wally says:
    @VinnyVette

    Bingo.

    – Hapless ‘Ukronazis Under Every Bed’ Saker has never got anything right.

    – It’s hilarious, the irrational Trump Derangement Syndrome sufferers have predicting Trump wars seemingly forever.

    – But hey, they do have Joe Biden to cling to.

    Trump 2020.

    • Troll: bluedog
    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
  13. …the latest climbdown by Trump is no different than all his other climbdowns:

    This may be a little premature for a nation led by warmongers, robbers and mass murderers (the latter characterization that went missing in Pompous Pompeo’s infamous we-lie-we-cheat-we-steal saying). But as stated here: it’s not over until it’s over. The tankers still have to make the return voyage to Iran. Our country or any of a number of lapdog countries (Britain comes to mind) can resort to piracy on the high seas. Britain’s seizure of an Iranian tanker did not last long when Iran returned the favor by seizing a British tanker in the Straits of Hormuz. And therein lies the caveat: if Trump seizes any Iranian tanker, the Persian Gulf with its heavy oil tanker traffic would be easy pickings for Iran. And justifiably so.

  14. anon[372] • Disclaimer says:

    Saker, Trump’s war behavior is very predictable. He is a saber-rattler only. He hasn’t and he won’t start a war.
    Even when he ordered a missile strike in Syria he gave them advance warning and bombed an empty factory. Yes, he assasinated an Iranian general, but so what? It was a single pot shot, not a war.
    Trump is a blow-hard and I’m glad he is. He doesn’t have the stomach or the attention span to start a real war, and I’m glad he has these weaknesses. He deliberately sat on his kiester and let the Russians and Syrians win in Syria, and that was exactly the right thing to do.
    He huffs and he puffs and in the end does nothing of consequence and allows the empirical power of the US to fade away.
    THIS IS A GOOD THING. STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT IT.

    • Replies: @Old and Grumpy
  15. @A123

    Working hard again, kike.

  16. Jiminy says:

    America seemingly walking away from the Iranian retaliatory strikes never really made any sense. Did they turn their backs because they knew that Iran would soon be sorted by a new viral weapon. Or did they do that so Iran could save some face? Also I think the time is coming when the US is going to find it hard to fill their military ranks with people willing to become cannon fodder. AI, I think, is going to solve that with programmed fighting machines, that kill with no questions asked.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @endthefed
  17. America does not win wars; it wins by warring. It can war for longer, making do with less success while warring, than can any other nation. Part of that relates to money printing capability, but ultimately it is because Americans believe in war as solution, and warring as the virtuous eventual duty of All Good People. Watch out: the gooder Americans believe themselves to be, the more likely becomes war. Americans conjure a view of their own wonderfulness from self-assessment only, according to select mythologies and practiced self-deception.

    American warmongers know better than to get into an overt hot war, something that would burst their big bubble. But lacking either perception or humility, they can’t tell whether any or all of the rest of the world still gets the joke, so they test the premise from time to time. They use Trump to make oddball threats, which he is content to do, making useful his juvenile, one-dimensional view of power.

    Trump’s enemies don’t particularly want him to get into a big fat war, because they know it will guarantee his re-election. They know Americans are simpleton suckers for war for any reason. If Trump starts a war and begins to lose it, he’ll be re-elected to finish it good and proper. Or, if he makes a good show of it, he’ll get re-elected, and America will turn out to be even more worrisome than before, as Trump gets his second term, and Republicans the next as well.

    I expected Trump’s America First would turn into America’s Fist. Where else can American nationalism go, except to blame others for the hole in America’s heart? Everyone knows the US cannot reform itself, cannot become a good enough actor to be tolerated much longer. Everyone knows it must collapse from within, or be destroyed from without, or there will be no peace, not ever. One way or the other, there must be blood. Exactly how much of whose remains for discovery.

    The beauty of Trump is he made sure that, no matter the outcome, America will be blamed for it. Everyone is on to that craphole now. For its part, Israel will be as content to rule Ruins as Regime.

    • Replies: @old smokey
  18. Vojkan says:

    Look at it this way, if Trump had a peace strategy that made sense, he couldn’t implement it. He said he wanted out of Syria, but could he? He said he wanted out of Afghanistan, but could he? The only way he can not start wars is the unplanned way. Any peace plan he’d put out would inevitably have a ‘sabotage peace’ plan companion by the deep state and usually one false flag suffices to kill any peace plan.

  19. I don’t think that Trump cancelled anything, more so just observed the momentous shift in the world order take place without trying to impede it. One humiliating catastrophe in May was enough.

  20. “Think about this: this is the first time ever (if I am not mistaken) that the US was the object of a major military strike coming from another state-actor and did not retaliate.” USS Liberty?

    • Thanks: St-Germain, AaronInMVD
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  21. Ghali says:

    Good critical analysis, especially the comparison between Iran moral principles and Russia’s opportunistic and subservient behaviour.

  22. “The main reason for this excessive centralization is oil. Without oil, governments would be compelled to decentralize.”

    One of the better comments on politics in oil monarchies is “no representation without taxation.” The Saudis do not depend on the people for their money, so they don’t need to hav any sort of democratic arrangement. It’s an interesting argument that you reminded me of.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  23. Herald says:
    @A123

    Maduro’s standing among world leaders is diminished.

    What utter bullshit.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @trickster
  24. sarz says:
    @A123

    This was a massive symbolic victory for Trump.

    Hilarious.

    It looks like a couple of friends would have been helped with a SARC tag, but that always spoils the framing.

  25. Talking about Iranian inflation and the growth of its capital city is pretty silly and claiming it’s a result of low intelligence is the sort of bottom of the barrel intellectual laziness that is becoming typical among the poorly educated employees of the federal government. It’s like looking at the hyper-inflation of Germany in 1923 and blaming it on low intelligence. Jewish intelligence (which is becoming more and more something celebrated as history) is covertly advanced as a sort of justification/explanation for their international mafia with the promotion of the HBD IQ-social darwinism cult.

    While I don’t doubt Iran has a lot of problems, Iran has demonstrated remarkable staying power and it is making great progress in the face of sanctions. The Iranians need the Toman to administer the needs of their own people, they don’t need it for international trade. They are continuing to make progress even with the drastic diminution in their international trade – now that is a sign of greatness!

    Washington DC has grown to be one of the largest metro areas in America, and this is a very RECENT phenomenon. So whatever is centralizing wealth and power in Tehran (Tehran is one of the great cities of the world, what could be more absurd than saying the growth of a great city is a sign of decline? Undoubtedly, excessive growth could be harmful to the rest of the nation, it may be undesirable, but it is NOT, in any event, a sign of decay) is apparently working in DC as well.

    • Agree: bluedog
    • Replies: @anon
    , @Alfred
  26. Truth3 says:

    “Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business“

    That’s the Jew talking.

    I think we all would prefer…

    “Finally, just once at least, the United States needs to pick up that small shitty little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the Jews we mean business”

  27. sarz says:
    @Cking

    Trump’s Presidency threatened the 9/11 power…

    And yet, Trump was an accessory after the fact to 9/11.

    Compare his truthful TV statement that evening, speaking of bombs being involved and making hash of the hijacker hypothesis, to his live interview on Deutsche Welle a day and a half later, speaking of kerosene plus hatred bringing down hitherto “incredibly strong” solid steel frame skyscrapers. His criminal friends Giuliani and Silverstein must have passed him a note. 9/11 was “need to know” and now Trump knew.

    Full transcripts of both sessions are available online. Take this as your homework assignment.

    • Replies: @Cking
  28. Truth3 says:

    In a strictly evil and imperialistic sense, Ledeen’s strategy makes a lot more sense than what Trump has been doing.

    Proving once again Faker is in the pay of the Mossad.

    Up yours gatekeeper piece of shit Faker.

  29. Sean says:

    The perfect example of this kind of irresponsible behavior is the murder of General Soleimani which truly brought the US and Iran a millimeter away from a real, full-scale war.

    If it was murder then the murderer was responsible. You used the forensic concept and did not even stick with it to the end of the sentence. Wordsmithing.

    Still, symbols are important, if only because they create a precedent. In fact, I would argue that the latest climbdown by Trump is no different than all his other climbdowns: Trump has had a very consistent record of threatening fire and brimstone before quietly deflating walking away. And since he did that many times now, we have to wonder whether this strategy is effective or not?

    One moment he is a murderer, the next he does not have the balls to kill anyone

    THERE’S a further, uncomfortable element to the sex and violence neurons in the animals Anderson has studied: In the long term, each behavior reinforces the other. In other words, “animals with sexual experience are more aggressive than those without sexual experience

    Thus the US upheld a world order in which some where a lot more equal than others

    So does every other superpower, none of them will be trifled with. The treaty Of Westphalia was an agreement to recognize the right of powerful countries to have a demarcated sphere of influence where they may interfere in lesser principalities. In the Middle East the spheres of influence have been more of less settled by a series of wars between different brands of Islam sponsored by major powers outside the region. Just as after the very similar Thirty Years War there is no appetite for another round of fighting to a bloody stalemate.

    Iran destroyed the myth of US impunity

    Iran is not immune to oil prices. It lacks the robust agility to international shocks of America. The US’s complexity may seems to bespeak vulnerability, but like a city when a supposedly indispensable road closes and the traffic flows better there are all kinds of unused and underappreciated alternatives in the US that come on stream to keep it flourishing. Iran only has oil. Think dinosaur compared to mammal.

    So while it is true that in this case Trump appears to have canceled two wars, we should not assume that he won’t soon start one, if only to deflect the blame for his total mismanagement of the COVID19 crisis. Should that happen, we can only hope that all the “resistance countries” and movement will provide as much support as possible to whomever the Empire attacks next.

    As WW2 ended Churchill told his Generals to prepare a plan for attacking Soviet forces. He was told the troops would likely refuse orders to execute such a plan. Iran’s population, terrain and space make it too difficult to conquer. They are going to be left to stew in their own juice like North Korea. Machiavellian Italian PM Andreotti asked if being in power was wearing him out gave a great rejoinder: “Power wears out those who don’t have it”. This is why Trump simmers but never boils over,

    All this ‘Empire’ business makes it seem as if the US has gone to seed. Turchin:

    Growing political instability is first and foremost a result of elite overproduction leading to excessive intra-elite competition and conflict. This main driver is supplemented by… popular immiseration

    The US elite are not fighting over declining spoils and the common people, while not benefiting as much as the elite, are slowly but surely gaining in wealth.

    • Troll: Biff
    • Replies: @sally
  30. vot tak says:

    “One could argue that this strategy could be described by saying that you put the maximum pressure on the other side in the hope that the bluff will entice the adversary to fold. This could be a semi-credible argument where it not for a very simple but crucial problem: so far the other guys have never folded. In other words, Trump’s bluff has been called over and over again, and each time Trump had to quietly deflate.”

    The author sort of gets the idea behind the neocon (zionazi-gay) strategy employed by israel’s trump regime. The bluffing is part of the psywar employed, against both the american people and the countries who are israel’s intended targets of aggression. These bluffs give the lobotomised trump dittoheads their rallying cries to support their “dear leader”, which support is promoted 24/7 by the neocon likudite “conservative” media wing (limbaugh, hannity, levin, etc.) of the zionazi-gay psywar machine. The subsequent climb downs are portrayed as intelligent policy decisions (like, cough, saker does…) or not covered at all by this wing of the zionazi-gay media.

    Against the targeted countries and their populations, the bluffs are part of the full spectrum dominance strategy of bringing everything to bear against countries not subservient to israeli control.

    In articles on trump regime domestic and foreign policies, saker consistently misses the essence of the strategy being employed.

    “Some Russian analysts (Andrei Sidorov) even believe that the US is in no condition to fight any war, no matter how small. Furthermore, most (all?) Russian analysts also believe that the US is fully committed to a full-spectrum information and economic war to try to economically strangle both Russia and China.”

    In the past, saker has also shown how militarily the usa could not successfully fight a new war on the scale of the 2003 Iraq war without major changes, reorganizing and upgrading the military. And they would need to overcome the public’s anti war sentiment, as well, to mount a major effort. This means the usa cant fight any wars right now and has to settle for cowardly air strikes and non military war fighting (financial, trade, psywar). That is regardless who is the presidential figurehead of israels american colony.

    This claim by saker that trump is better than clinton because he didn’t start new wars and she would goes against his earlier claims that america is not capable of running new wars. Yet he used it in 2016 to sell trump. It’s my guess saker continues to present this false difference between trump and clinton because he intends to endorse trump again this election.

    • Agree: trickster
  31. Take it as a lead, hard to stay on topic when the topic is nihilistic diversion(the saKers piece).

    On topic, on Minneapolis, better a “dumb fuck”, a collective of “dim doughs”, then “no dick” alt-righters, not even having the courage to see a link between action and endless complaining the evidenced(Henry David Thoreau – Civil Disobedience). And having no collective stance at all. This site is geriatric in nature.

    • Agree: The Scalpel
  32. Anonymous[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @Phil the Fluter

    Off the top of my head, you could add JFK, RFK, and 9-11 to Greater Israel’s acts of war against the United States.

    • Replies: @old smokey
    , @sally
  33. GMC says:

    Russia and China have the perfect opportunity to turn the tables on the Empire’s BS propaganda. All they have to do is start the duo investigations on the bioWeapons labs – and if RT had any balls – they would have a weekly article starting on these Labs in Ukraine and Georgia. They could do a huge one on the London’s ‘ Port Downey ” too. After 50 articles or more , some of them would leak into the pods in the USA / NWO. Sometimes , it looks like the East , wastes to much time playing Politically/Diplomatically Correct, against a foe that has no conscience – when killing the others side diplomats, or populace. This CD-19 is a gift horse, if the East wants to change the dialogue of – Who is doing What. Check!

  34. Everyone wants peace – but on their own terms. And so risk the war they seek to avoid. Washington, Moscow and Beijing move gingerly. These are the main powers that can destroy or save us. History warns them to be wary about their actions.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

  35. Truth3 says:

    So called Saker, better termed Faker, is a Jew paid wordsmith, meant to be a gatekeeper and collector of info on those that oppose Jew world control.

    This clown lives in a house a few blocks from the New Smyrna Beach Golf Course, collecting US Taxpayer paid benefits, while getting Direct Deposit from the CIA and Mossad. Even the street name screams the devil and his minions (Jooz) control him.

    You can spot him at the local Winn Dixie.

    When you see him, let him know what you think of his way of scratching out an existence.

    • Agree: Cleburne
    • LOL: bluedog
    • Replies: @Cleburne
  36. Cleburne says:

    Alternate theory: there never was the threat of a “double war” outside of Mr Saker’s click-baiting, bullshit LARPs. How’s the weather down in sunny Florida, my dude?

  37. Cking says:
    @sarz

    Sarz, An accomplice after the fact? In 2015, the entire US Congress once stood up for Bibi in the Capitol Building to swipe at President Obama, who knew Israel was at the bottom of 9/11. Your hatred of Trump is not justified, not constructive, and you have a disingenuous hole in your swing. You have to disclose that Trump once announced, on one of the networks, “Bush should be impeached; what for?’, ‘They lied us into war’; one of his first statements when investigating the possibility of becoming a candidate for the presidency. You have to recognize that Trump performed the hostile takeover of the Republican Party by simply telling Jeb Bush in a full room of Main St. Republicans ‘9/11 happened on your watch.’ Jeb felt the anger in the Main St. caucus, and walked away and Trump became the US President. Now, in order to stay alive politically and physically, has he accommodated Bibi and the Israeli cabal, certainly. But we’re not going to war for nobody.

  38. Anonymous[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cking

    Excellent beginnings for an accurate perspective. You mention Comey and Mueller, presumably as exemplars of goyischer water boys of Greater Israel, understood as International Jewry and its nascent world empire overseen from Israel. Your thoughts on the psychology of such men would be appreciated, who as I see it play tough on their home turf and yet, like a Paul Ryan or Ron DeSantis, or a Mike Pompeo or Lindsay Graham, will fly to Israel and pledge their undying allegiance on their knees to Greater Israel no matter at what cost to the United States. Israel’s apparently already signing treaties with China in anticipation of swapping out the US for China in the near future, using stolen technology and communications intel as bargaining chips, and DC wants to make war on China, not Israel.

    I’m from NYC like DJT, worked on Wall Street and in another related business, and can say I have never known or possibly even met a single man who, like a Comey or Mueller, would get on his knees before the Jews as they do and then, with the cruelty characteristic of such cowards, go from wiping off their chin to destroying one of their own like Gen. Flynn to the point of destroying his son. I also served in combat in Vietnam and came across all sorts of martinets and straightforward cowards, and yet I cannot grasp the depths of betrayal and cowardice that characterizes these men. Even less can I fathom where the Jews find such despicable whores as virtually the entire Congress of the United States. I get it they were chosen behind closed doors precisely because they’re compromised narcissists who’d sell out their mother for fame, but where they find them eludes me, even in a country of 330 million. The totality of the sell out is mind boggling when you consider that Richard Perle on camera said in response to a question about the JQ that Jews have to power to unelect all but maybe five out of the 535 members of Congress in any given election.

    My point is, many of the events today are inexplicable without understanding the psychology of these Americans with families of their own overseeing the destruction of America to serve Greater Israel. The Saker’s hatred of DJT, for example, is so personal as to require a psychological profile by way of explanation.

    • Thanks: Alfred
    • Replies: @bluedog
  39. Hossein says:
    @Alfred

    The main reasons for centralizations in Iran is to keep the power in hands of the Persian elite and deprive other ethnic minorities of any power,political or economical, over their regions. Without centralization of the power Persianism or Farsism which is a form of caste system will cease to exist .
    90% of Iran’s wealth is derived from the region of Kuzistan, or ALAHWAZ , a mostly Arab province that throughout 100 years of both the Pahlawi rule and the cruel Persian Mullas has witnessed some of the worst racial, ethnic, economical and environmental abuse and total disregard for human rights.
    In all honesty no power, well if it can be called so, been more beneficial to imperialism in the middle east than the Persian reactionary fascist clerics whose ascendance to power was facilitated by western imperialism and whose murderous rampage in the region has left trails of death and destruction.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @Monty Ahwazi
  40. MLK says:
    @VinnyVette

    It’s impossible to overstate how poorly any real-time analyst of geopolitical events like The Saker, who has completely ignored the malefactions against Trump, looks in hindsight.

    This, by the way, is altogether a generous way to put it given the information available since he took the oath.

    This is to say nothing of his retconning about the Syria strikes and immediate memory-holing on Soleimani’s plot in concert with the Democrats for his Iraqi militias to seize American hostages; in a replay of -79-’80 Iranian Hostage Crisis that sunk Carter’s reelection.

    Nope, there still is ‘Nothing to see here’ in the coordinated messaging out of the (not so) Supreme Leader and top Senate Democrats as Pelosi was inexplicably delaying a Senate impeachment trial, almost as if she was aware another shoe ever so favorable to removing Trump was about to drop.

    How much more information does The Saker need to finally factor in what is salient? I get that he and so many others feel bad about themselves for getting their analysis so wrong but there is no time like the present to at least try to get it together.

    Trump is a real POTUS. He followed three figureheads, with his immediate predecessor the most so.

    Suffice it to say that whatever else is in play, and there is always a lot, you’re foolish in the extreme if you miss the essential, overriding context of destroying and removing Trump being as close to a Deus Ex Machina for as broad an array of interests, domestic and foreign, imaginable.

    • Thanks: Manfred Arcane
    • Replies: @Uomiem
  41. Adûnâi says:

    Think about this: this is the first time ever (if I am not mistaken) that the US was the object of a major military strike coming from another state-actor and did not retaliate.

    USS Pueblo and USS Liberty come to mind.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Pueblo_(AGER-2)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

    Quite funny for an Unz Review contributor not to remember Liberty. I could understand Pueblo as Americans despise Juche Korea so much, they have a Pavlov’s reflex à la Westworld where you forget inconvenient facts.

    Just as Hezbollah destroyed the myth of Israeli impunity, Iran destroyed the myth of US impunity.

    No, what destroyed the USA was their Christian cuckoldry which prohibited the extermination of lesser races. The post-1945 history is going through the motion. The war is lost! The Aryan race is dead! The USA is a corpse! Gouging out the eyes of a corpse is not destroying myths or waging wars, people… It is a post factum. A footnote at the end. And so the wretched remains of the Aryan race were humiliated by Venezuela, Iran, and the Asian rape gangs in London. Yawn.

    • Agree: commandor
  42. vot tak says:

    For a more comprehensive view:

    Trump the Peace Candidate? This President Abhors International Treaties

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/trump-the-peace-candidate-this-president-abhors-international-treaties/

    “Trump hasn’t started any new wars” say the more cogent of his supporters. That may be true, but he has attacked Syria twice based on phony intelligence and has committed a war crime by assassinating a senior Iranian government official. And he sure has worked hard to elevate constant insults and threats into a major component of U.S. foreign policy while also taking away the international instruments set up to minimize the risks of war. And it will only get worse over the next five months as the White House works desperately to shift the focus away from the fallout from the mishandled coronavirus and towards foreign enemies who will be blamed for everything going wrong in America.”

  43. Trumpsteins zionist overlords will ensure that he attacks Iran following his swearing in for his 2nd term, this is on the zionist agenda and Trumpstein will deliver and plunge the ZUS into another war for the greater Israel agenda.

  44. Alfred says:
    @Seraphim

    has Islam nothing to do with the stifling of intelligence in Iran and the other ‘holes’ of the ME?

    Iran had runaway population growth under the Shah. He tried to slow it down with publicity and posters but it did not work. He was promising the people that Iran would soon surpass Europe.

    Of course, the bottom slice of the population were having far more kids than the middle class. That means that IQ was dropping fast.

    The Mullahs at the beginning encouraged further breeding. However, they quickly realised that it was a bad idea. They instituted a very smart localised system of managing public health. These people explained about contraception to the lower class. It was subsidised. Since then, the growth in population has stalled. It is perhaps the most successful such effort in the 3rd world. Other countries should try to emulate it.

    Here is from the LA Times. One of the last pieces of good news that they published about Iran. The journalist probably got sacked. 🙂

    Iran’s birth control policy sent birthrate tumbling (2012)

  45. Alfred says:
    @Jiminy

    AI, I think, is going to solve that with programmed fighting machines, that kill with no questions asked.

    Almost 40 years ago, I was IT manager at a top business school in Europe. I was forced to listen to professors of management and finance enthusing about the possibilities of AI. My skepticism gained me no friends or allies.

    Human brains and computers are very different things. The idea that our memory is in our brains is an unproven hypothesis. For all we know, the brain might just play the role of a TV set – and the storage is somewhere outside our bodies. There is a lot more going on than even I used to believe.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  46. anon[253] • Disclaimer says:
    @GazaPlanet

    @Alfred wrote of his misunderstandings of Iran with a bit of “I lived there for a whole year in very representative 1978” authority.

    – Centralization of power in Iran predates oil. The geographic condition and ethnic mosaic of the country require it.

    – Power structure of the IRI regime in no way resembles the monarchy of Shah of Iran. IRI is a crypto-Soviet with nearly itemized analogues of Soviet system wearing turbans and robes. The IRI is an ideological regime and this is fairly new for modern Iran and possibly has no historic precendence.

    – Low IQ of Iranians. @Alfred, I’ve been living here amongst Americans for 40 years now (since leaving my birthplace of Iran) and I’ve got to tell you, I ain’t impressed by your digits. Iran’s issue is not IQ, it is a lingering non-Iranian alien ethoes that has distorted Iranian collective psyche since Mongol invasion. This is the underlying issue of why the West covertly supports, and has supported IRI, since its imposition on the hapless, –disorganized–, passive Iranian majority, as Shah was addressing that long standing national ethoes issue.

    IRI serves the useful purpose of providing a “principled” pretext for the continued looting of Iran’s natural resources for the Great Game gymnastics.

  47. @hardlooker

    Yeah, you pretty much nailed it there…

    I would go so far as to say your comment achieved more than the original article
    using 1/10th of the words.

    Well done.

    ~os

  48. Anonymous[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfred

    Physicist/philosopher Wolfgang Smith has some very interesting things to say on the mind/brain relationship.

    • Thanks: Alfred
  49. jadan says:

    The issue is not the strategy or lack thereof behind the international dramas this drama queen president creates, but why the hell he’s doing it in the first place? Why go after Iran or Venezuela? And then, oh Saker, you eagle-eyed know-it-all, why discuss it as though it were so portentous and worthy of such mental exertion? Every time some doltish world leader decides to do a little dance, commentators flock to the scene to interpret his moves, but rarely do these talking heads inquire as to why he’s doing this and whether or not he should be doing this at all.

    Now hear this, Saker, all future commentary must be made sub species eternitatus. This means ” in the aspect of eternity” roughly, or from the ultimate perspective. It is not acceptable to dwell on the behavior of a piss ant as though he were Genghis Khan. Trump is a piss ant. You have to examine the behavior of such people in light of this global pandemic, global climate change, nuclear armeggadon, species extinction, and the probability of the survival of the human species. You understand? You feel me, Saker? You have to ask yourself whether the behavior of this or that actor on the human stage makes any sense at all in terms of the continued survival of human beings and their planetary habitat because this is what it has come to.

    He’s either acting to promote the survival and well being of the species & the planet, or he’s not. If he’s not acting in this beneficial way, say so, and then declare that he’s a piece of shit and not worth further attention and he should cease and desist immediately. Then turn your attention to world actors who are behaving in a rational and beneficial way and tell the world about them.

    No more commentary on useless piss ants making noise in this troubled world!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @jadan
    , @Alfred
    , @jadan
  50. And I think it needs to be reiterated,

    The notion that Trump, Putin, et al) act within the framework of agencies that are dedicated to their own national or tribal interests is just pure Hegelian dialectic tosh.

    The sacks of shit at the top of the pyramid are genuine psychopaths.

    They don’t give a fuck about anyone… Even their allegiance to the concept of Zionism is rooted in ego gratification ~ self identity worship.

  51. Rich says:
    @A123

    Excellent analysis. The many commenters, and the author, who suffer from a serious case of TDS as well as America-envy are unable to see reality. I suppose in the long run it’s good for the US, that its opponents are blinded, or deranged, by hatred and jealousy, but the lack of clarity from some of those who responded to you is dumbfounding.

    • Thanks: A123
    • Replies: @A123
  52. @anon

    Some of the time I think there is method to Trump’s madness. Then I see Jared Kushner’s Dracula face standing behind him, and totally doubt everything about Donald Trump. But no to the Saker, Trump isn’t currently going after a two front war. The Venezuela front so far has been a total joke on the neocons who are running it. Even with Iran, Trump’s fealty to Israel is being highlighted at every turn. Not a thing approved of by our kosher masters, and why they hate the Donald. Maybe there really is a killing them with kindness.

  53. @Alfred

    In Syria, Iran was fighting USA + Israel + EU + Qatar + Turkey + Saudi Arabia + UAE (prior to Russian arrival) and still came out on top.

    Maybe USA should have employed some of the high IQ smart Iranians that fled to the US….?

    What do you say Einstein? Maybe you should write a Best Seller…no?

    ps: Iran’s military budget is lower than any one of the aforementioned countries you dingo.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @showmethereal
  54. @Anonymous

    You’re too kind… you could also add “Operation Susanna”
    and the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 to the list.

    What a pack of cunts.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  55. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Trump and Putin have a similar problem; The ones raising the most hell and trying to command each leader to their selfish desires are the enemies of mankind that have been subverting, tricking, false-flagging, stealing from their host nation and starting wars and revolutions for a long time.

    That group of unhinged radicals are the ones supposedly Chosen by a G-d.

  56. trickster says:
    @A123

    It is okay to talk about planes used and engines that need maintenance but I invite you to travel to Venezuela and spend some time there. It is a country with vastly different environments each of which will pose a hard nut for the US military. Specifically:
    -Large cities with well armed criminal gangs who know the place well and know how to use their arms.
    -Enormous jungles where in many places no white man or indian has ever set foot
    -The savannahs in the east, excellent tank country in the dry season and a swamp for 6-7 months of the year
    -The Andes in most places inaccessible except by a few asphalt roads with peaks up to 15000 feet
    -Porous borders with Brazil, Colombia and Guyana mostly jungle with a few trails known only to the locals
    -Large and well armed criminal gangs operating in the border areas

    Its a country where all the technical advantages of the US turn to ashes !

    Add a Cuban cadre eager to fight Americans, Venezuelans including the military who hate the US, Latin Americans from the other countries in South America who have no use for the US, Iranian operatives lurking in the big cities and Russian and Chinese business interests at stake.

    Please note that we got our asses reamed in the Nam and in Iraq the opposition had no interest in “high value facts, chatter and engines that needed maintenance”. We left there glad they had given us back our balls.

    You dont have to be Erwin Rommel to conclude that any adventure into Venezuela would be yet another disaster.

    So Maduro blinking ? Jumping to the US tune ? Diminished standing among world leaders ? I dont think so !

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Rich
  57. yurivku says:

    Haven’t got the idea of this article. Saker as always made some obvious statements of US’s policy and elites but spoiled again everything with “6th column” narrative. His adorment even worshipping Putin is just naive. Putin is clever, tough guard of oligarchs’ properties. He did everything for this goal (and almost nothing for people) and surely he needs a strong state for this.
    What Saker calls 6th column is just a movement of patriots who got enough of Putins “achievements” and who needs other goals in internal policy.

    As for US “indispencable and exceptional nation” it’s a state which consists of dumb majority who knows nothing of outside world and thinks only of their stomach leaded by a monkey with grenade, who in it’s order being pushed by a gang of pure criminals, endless obamas, clintons, pompeos … you know their names.

    I see only two possible results of this – end of world by WW3 started by this gang or crush of this criminal imperia.
    The 1st choice seems to be more likely for first derivative of US stupidy constantly increases and its leaders are getting more and more dumb and insane.

  58. Alfred says:
    @TomSchmidt

    The Saudis do not depend on the people for their money, so they don’t need to have any sort of democratic arrangement

    In Iran, they do have income taxes. And they are quite onerous. Just one other sign of a bureaucracy gone mad – for the past 100 years. Of course, land speculation is a free for all for the wealthy.

    At one time, I was a consultant to a firm in Tehran. This firm employed a large number of foreign “experts”. To leave the country, I needed a piece of paper saying that I had paid my taxes. The company paid my taxes. But then the tax authority said that they wanted all the taxes owed by all its foreign employees before they would allow little me out of the country. Fortunately, the company settled the bill or I might still be stuck there. 🙂

    • Replies: @Jiminy
  59. Anonymous[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @jadan

    Subsuming topical events sub species aeternitatis is a tall order. In his Ethics of Rhetoric Richard Weaver argues that Argument by Definition gave Lincoln his edge over Douglas and anyone else stupid enough to challenge him to debate. In our case, I’d say we need to argue that none of these events can be understood without 9-11 and the more general reference class of neocon treason.

  60. Alfred says:
    @GazaPlanet

    Talking about Iranian inflation and the growth of its capital city is pretty silly and claiming it’s a result of low intelligence

    I wrote that the poorer and less educated section of the population had far more kids per woman than the middle class housewife. Please don’t tell me that IQ is the same for these two classes in Iran.

    I explained that nothing has fundamentally changed in Iran with the change in regime. The same people from the same families are getting wealthy through land speculation while everyone else is being decimated by the inflation. This is a deliberate policy. They are removing 3 zeros from the currency.

    Iran has demonstrated remarkable staying power

    Yes. The people are resilient and almost tribal. But they had oil for an awfully long time and they still import pretty well everything – except for weapons. That means that the entrepreneurial class has been hamstrung. They are an enterprising people but their policies are idiotic.

    ” The Iranians need the Toman to administer the needs of their own people, they don’t need it for international trade.”

    Are you now going to tell me that the price of land in Tehran has not gone up by more than 500 times in Tomans? How on earth can anyone carry out a business or even do simple management accounting and costing when the currency is losing 17% of its value each year for 40 years? When banks pay a pittance in interest for savings? How are ordinary people supposed to save for retirement? Impossible.

    Washington DC has grown to be one of the largest metro areas in America

    Agreed. This is a sign of decay IMHO. I was first there in 1969 and it was all fields between Dulles airport and the city.

    I suspect you are one of the brighter Iranians who left. You are not alone.

    I saw my first Boeing 747 at Dulles in 1969. It was an amazing sight at the time. I was in a 707 and it was tiny in comparison.

  61. Cleburne says:
    @Truth3

    I gotta ask. Does he wear cargo shorts and Birkenstocks with black dress socks?

    I have never met a more contemptible equivocation than this “rationale” for sponging off the long-suffering U.S. taxpayer, direct from his cheesy blog with its Borat-tier design and graphics.

    Simply put, it is my legal right. I am a Swiss citizen married to a US citizen. When I married my wife she got a “C Permit” in Switzerland and the USA gave me a “Green Card”. These two countries have an agreement, а contract, if you want, which allows US nationals married to a Swiss national to live in Switzerland and a Swiss national married to a US national to live in the USA. This agreement is similar to say, airlines sharing passenger seats or hotels sharing rooms. To make my point eve simpler: I live in the USA because the US government decided that it would be in the interest of the American people to have such an agreement with Switzerland. You could also say that it is my wife’s right to have her husband with her while living in her own country.

    • Replies: @Sean
  62. A123 says:
    @Rich

    Excellent analysis. The many commenters, and the author, who suffer from a serious case of TDS as well as America-envy are unable to see reality. I suppose in the long run it’s good for the US, that its opponents are blinded, or deranged, by hatred and jealousy, but the lack of clarity from some of those who responded to you is dumbfounding.

    The low-IQ commenters here are a serious problem.

    As a matter of simple military logic, if the U.S. was planning on intercepting the tankers, would they:

    — Interdict them in deep water?
    — Wait for them to be under VAF fighter cover?

    To all rational observers, it was obvious that Trump was using words to push Maduro into a response. The sheer size of Maduro’s over reaction shows the fragility of his political situation.

    PEACE 😷

  63. A123 says:
    @trickster

    It is okay to talk about planes used and engines that need maintenance but I invite you to travel to Venezuela and spend some time there. It is a country with vastly different environments each of which will pose a hard nut for the US military. Specifically:

    Why would anyone want failed Venezuelan territory?

    They have no infrastructure and no money. The oil is near valueless sour crude. Decades of socialist rule have reduced PDVSA to the point where it cannot refine kerosene and has to import it. There were a nothing there worth capturing.

    Trump learned from GW’s mistake in the desert. The U.S. got stuck with costs for rebuilding Iraq. Trump will not make that mistake anywhere else. The U.S. can easily reduce Venezuela from a failing stated to a failed state via air power.

    You can sleep safely knowing that the U.S. will not invade Venezuela because it is a “Sh!t H*le” country.

    PEACE 😷

    • Agree: Sean
    • Troll: Bill Jones
  64. Trump is a vile stooge of Judeo-Nazis.

  65. It’s all about the oil boys. Nothing else matters. For most of us all it boils down to is who we pay – Venezuala or our Plutorats. Read some Smedley Butler for Chrissakes.

  66. Alfred says:
    @Hossein

    The main reasons for centralizations in Iran is to keep the power in hands of the Persian elite

    How come their president is not Persian?

    Khameni is Azari. Most of the officers in their army are Azari. Furthermore, there is a lot of mixing in Iran between the different races/tribes. Jewpedia claims that Khameni’s mother was Persian but that is crap. Even Jewpedia admits that his father was Azari. His mother tongue is Azari not Farsi.

    I don’t know where you get your information from.

    Mossad, MI6 the CIA and a host of others from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iraq, the UAE, Egypt have tried to use the Arabs of Ahvaz for subversion. It has all come to nothing because they prefer to be a part of Iran to being a part of Iraq or any other fantasy that these intelligence services wish to invent.

    The same game is being played by the same actors in Balochistan with a similar lack of success.

    I suggest you stop dreaming about “Arabistan”. They all get to vote and they all have their own representatives in their parliament. Some seats are reserved for the Jews, the Armenian (north and south), the Assyrians and the Zoroastrians.

    whose murderous rampage in the region has left trails of death and destruction.

    That is an Israeli lie. Iran has invaded no other country in hundreds of years. Indeed, Iran was much bigger 200 years ago. The real criminals are the Israelis and their Arab stooges such as Saddam Hussein (Iraq) and the Saudis/Emiratis/Qataris. The USA has been a tool of the Jews since the murder of JFK.

  67. jadan says:
    @jadan

    @Anonymous

    Neocon treason is a good way to frame 911, but the context for topical events is much larger than another false flag operation no matter how monstrous; it is now beyond the merely political. To my mind this pandemic dress rehearsal has simplified things, like the prospect of hanging is said to induce a lucid frame of mind. We’re presiding over our own execution which is literally human extinction. It’s time to think in these terms, ultimate terms, ultimate concerns.

  68. Alfred says:
    @jadan

    global climate change

    Have you not yet noticed that this almost harmless virus has superseded fake global climate change as a way to crush the economy in order to reduce greatly our numbers?

    Greta Thunberg on fighting coronavirus and the climate crisis simultaneously

  69. The Scalpel says: • Website

    The real war the US will face is just now organizing itself. Civil War II.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
  70. @Alfred

    “A defeat of Israel would merely entrench the mind-set.”
    A price worth paying.

  71. Rich says:
    @trickster

    We didn’t “get our asses reamed” in Vietnam. We defeated the NVA, driving them out of the South and destroyed the VC’s ability to fight effectively by 1969. It was a media driven, communist sympathizing fantasy that the US was defeated. The reds couldn’t defeat the South until two years after the US withdrew.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @trickster
  72. WTF are you talking about Saker? Stop inhaling the stuff!

  73. Sean says:
    @Cleburne

    Rather unfair, but still funny. If you are going to have defamatory images at the beginning of your article instead of reasoned argument then it is a fair bet you set great store by personal abuse as an effective tactic. And you can count on ad hominem brickbats flying your way.

    • Replies: @Cleburne
  74. @Wally

    Fuck off Wally, the Saker never said Trump is a warmonger. Stick to facts.

    • Replies: @Wally
  75. I said in the other thread days ago that imperial bluff would remain just that, bluff. Not for the first time. Hopefully, not for the last.

  76. @Rich

    So, rooftop evacuation was a sign of victory? Who could have thought!

    Maybe the US should win exactly the same way in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and many other places. Would save hundreds of billions of taxpayers’ money every year.

    • Agree: Biff, showmethereal
    • Replies: @Rich
    , @Anonymous
  77. Alfred says:
    @theinternetguy

    In Syria, Iran was fighting USA + Israel + EU + Qatar + Turkey + Saudi Arabia + UAE (prior to Russian arrival) and still came out on top.

    I agree wholeheartedly. But I think you have never been in barracks or boarding schools. IQ is probably a handicap in the lower ranks. I mean, anyone with a decent imagination would be terrified at the prospect of having a foot blown away by a mine. Iran’s footsoldiers are believers. A huge advantage.

    Those who determine Iran’s strategies are very smart people. So smart that most of them are kept out of harm’s way. The ones in the USA are too smart to contemplate joining the US army. Many are professional people.

    BTW, I didn’t know that Einstein was a dingo. I thought he was a wallaby. 🙂

  78. @A123

    They have no infrastructure and no money.

    Sure, they have little money: the US stole (in purely criminal sense of the word) ~$10 billion of Venezuela money, the UK stole (in the same sense) Venezuelan gold worth more than a billion. So, the robber is not only happy to steal other person’s money, he is proud that the victim is now poor.

    • Replies: @A123
  79. Hegar says:

    Some will say that this only proves that Trump is truly a peace-loving President who, unlike his predecessors, does not want to go to war. But then, what about the cruise missile strikes on Syria? What about the murder of Soleimani?

    As Antiwar’s late Justin Raimondo wrote – yes, Trump will go back and forth to please different sides, but in the end he won’t start new wars, unlike the presidents before him.

    Trump has to keep Sheldon Adelson on his side, along with some other Zionist donors. He has to keep Netanyahu happy so he will tell Adelson and others to keep supporting Trump. So Trump keeps starving the Iranian people, he keeps killing and provoking, while at the same time he doesn’t want war.

    He knows the U.S. would lose enormously in a war with Iran – they would mine the Strait of Hormuz, and the price of oil would increase ten-fold. This would devastate the U.S. economy and the world economy. It would take a long time to recover. Trump would be forever remembered for this and only this.

    So he can’t give the warmongers what they want. But he has to pretend. He sanctions Syria and Iran, and their somewhat-ally Russia, he fires missiles, but then holds back at the last moment.

    How long? Until the re-election.

  80. Agent76 says:

    May 13, 2020 Critical Moves: Mercenary Invasion Plan in Venezuela

    Apr 27, 2020 Ajamu Baraka on the U.S. Role in Venezuela Project

    Ajamu Baraka discussed the role of U.S. activists in stopping the U.S. war machine during “An Inside View of Resistance to US Imperialism in Venezuela and How to Build International Solidarity.”

    2018-06-22 World Conquest: The United States’ Global Military Crusade (1945- )

    The following article by professor Eric Waddell was first published twelve years ago by Global Research in December 2003 in the immediate wake of the invasion and occupation of Iraq by US and British forces, with a postscript added in 2007. The article provides an incisive historical perspective on America’s “long war” against humanity, which is being carried out under a fake humanitarian mandate.

    https://global-politics.eu/world-conquest-united-states-global-military-crusade-1945/

    • Thanks: Patagonia Man
  81. Anonymous[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Weston Waroda

    Those that have been holding out for Trump, wittingly or otherwise, to take a sledge hammer to the Imperium have not been entirely disappointed.

    We prayed for a sledge hammer but we got a monkey wrench. It’s still good.

  82. Jiminy says:
    @Alfred

    Did you see much of the country when you were in Iran? I saw a tv show lately where the guy trekked from Russia, then finally ended in Iran. It seems to be a country of spectacular scenery. On a different note though, somebody mentioned why would the US be interested in Venezuela with its sour crude. You can only imagine the fuel bill for an aircraft carrier to steam from one ocean to another, to realise just how important it is to have a seemingly inexhaustible supply of crude. The cost of nuclear power for ships is almost prohibitive. And the cost to decommission one is estimated to be 1.5 billion dollars. So yes, access to cheap plentiful fuel allows the war machine to continue to grind along.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @gT
  83. profnasty says:

    The Saker writes some good columns. This isn’t one of them. Is he trying to goad Pres. Trump to lash out. What a dopey premise. Sheesh.

  84. endthefed says:
    @Jiminy

    The Iranians were the 5-d chess players (except for shooting down the airliner part) The Iranians demonstrated precision capability and targeted to minimize any casualties and demonstrated the US has no capable missile defense. Effectively the Iranians gave the US a wake up call that pretty much any US or Saud asset could be effectively engaged.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  85. trickster says:
    @Rich

    Ah, just to refresh your memory we fled from the rooftop of the American Embassy a few moments before the NVA tanks rolled into Saigon with the last Marines fearful of being left behind to the tender mercies of the NVA and VC. The war was unwinnable, ask any politician or sensible military officer who served there ! This fact was recognized and acknowledged from the very beginning.

    It matters not whether it was media driven. a communist fantasy, cheap propaganda, Ho Chi Min eating too many prunes or beans or whatever, the fact is, when you surrender the battlefield to the enemy you have LOST !

    And when China invaded the Nam, the Viets then turned around and gave them a sound thrashing ! That was the kind of enemy we tangled with and came out second best in spite of every technological advantage.

    And so we did get our ass reamed out. You believe what you want but your opinion is in the minority.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @showmethereal
  86. A123 says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Sure, they have little money: the US stole (in purely criminal sense of the word) ~$10 billion of Venezuela money, the UK stole (in the same sense) Venezuelan gold worth more than a billion. So, the robber is not only happy to steal other person’s money, he is proud that the victim is now poor.

    Your double standards are a huge personal problem that you need to work on.

    Muslims stole (in purely criminal sense of the word) the land of Judea & Samaria. Why are you happy about you preferred robbers keeping stolen property? Why are you proud of the Muslim colonization and occupation of land that is not theirs?

    PEACE 😷

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @anon
  87. trickster says:
    @A123

    Well then according to your logic the US should leave Venezuela alone ! But they wont !. Why should the US care ? Because Venezuela is in their back yard and the gateway to the rest of the continent. Why should the US care…… because Russia, China, Iran and Cuba have their fingers in the pie. Strategically, control of the north Venezuela coast means control of the Caribbean and control of the South America/ Africa shipping lanes and Panama Canal access. With Cuba half way between the South America coast and the southern US this is a bad position for the US to tolerate and deal with.

    Why should the US care about EL Salvador ? Why should they care about Nicaragua ? Why should they care about Panama ? Well they did !

    You just do not understand international politics or the thinking (or lack of thinking) of US politicians and the military ! And oil, whether sweet, sour, spicy, mild etc is valuable. Do you really believe the Russians and Chinese have invested billions in Venezuela because they like the sunshine and tropical fruits.

    The US can reduce Venezuela to third world rubble ? Well again you do not understand. If they could they would but the fact is they cannot ! In addition, someone needs to tell you that air power alone does not win wars.

    You just dont know what you are talking about ! What you assert is sheer nonsense. Trump did not cancel any 2 wars. That was never possible from the very beginning so your military mumbo jumbo about aircraft engines, chatter and so forth is irrelevant and redundant.

    • Replies: @A123
  88. @WorkingClass

    Idiot.

    A. Socialism does too work. You must be a bot recycling those old hoary lies.

    B. Saying you don’t know of the horrors inflicted on Venezuela by the US et al is a perfect way to invalidate everything you say, as any fool knows of them.

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @Vojkan
  89. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    No such thing as a “Judeo-Nazi” or a “zionazi” or whatever other terms you midwits who simply cannot let go of your internalized religiosity of WWII being the “last good war” come up with. The National Socialist German Workers Party fought judaism — to the bitter end. The capitalists and the communists fought on the side of judaism. All the buyer’s remorse in the world doesn’t change that.

    • Replies: @Flubber
  90. Rich says:
    @trickster

    Sorry. It’s not your fault, you were just mis-educated. The US never surrendered. In 1973, after Nixon’s massive bombing campaign, the North Vietnamese came crawling to the negotiating table, begging for peace. A treaty was signed where the North agreed to respect the territorial integrity of the South, prisoners were exchanged and the US left. After Nixon was removed from office, a new Congress, sympathetic to the communists, stopped sending the promised supplies and air cover to support the South. Two years after the last American combat troops left, the North defeated the South.

    The photos you’ve seen of people leaving on rooftops, is from the American embassy, where rightfully fearful South Vietnamese civilians were trying to flee the murderous communists. The US was already gone, as I wrote FOR TWO YEARS. These are something called “facts”, the leftists in academia don’t yet have total control over history, so go read about it.

    • Replies: @Simpleguest
  91. FB says: • Website
    @VinnyVette

    The U.S. Obtained

    High value facts:
    — How many planes were used
    — Mix of aircraft
    — Takeoff and Landing location(s)
    — Electronic warfare / AWACS capture of all emissions

    No…actually the US didn’t ‘obtain’ any of those things…real life doesn’t work like the ‘Iron Man’ movies…

    Let’s first discuss your ‘electronic emissions’ nonsense…first of all, it is quite obvious that you don’t even know what kind of aircraft are used in gathering signal intelligence…it’s certainly not ‘AWACS’ planes, which are in fact used during air combat operations to provide radar services [like targeting opportunities, as well as threats from enemy aircraft locations] to combat aircraft in the air at the time…kind of like an air traffic control for air combat operations…

    The aircraft used for obtaining such radio emissions as you describe is the RC135 ‘Rivet Joint’ which is based on the Boeing 737 airframe…

    The Navy would operate the Lockheed turboprop EP3 ‘Orion’

    There is also the RC12 which is based on the Beechcraft King Air civil turboprop platform…[one of these crashed in Iraq not too long ago…]

    Such aircraft operating near Venezuelan airspace would have been intercepted and escorted by Venezuelan Flanker jets [Su 30]…

    Certainly they would not be allowed into the country’s airspace under any circumstances…we recall the incident with the Chinese interception and ramming of a Navy EP3 near China in the Hainan Island Incident of 2001…

    Why do you insist on popping up here with complete diarrhea that has nothing to do with the reality of how these technical things actually work…?

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  92. A123 says:
    @trickster

    You are a gibbering warmonger. All you want is war. Trump offers peace and you spit on it.

    Venezuela is very easy to contain. I am sorry that your exceedingly low-IQ prevents you from grasping simple reality, but that is your problem not mine.

    Neither Maduro nor Trump wants a war. Despite the provocations of your violent Ayatollah, there is not going to be one. Get over it.

    PEACE 😷

    • Replies: @trickster
    , @anon
  93. Rich says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Aren’t you ,always on about how smart you are and how you’re a professor of something or other? And yet basic history is beyond your grasp? The photos you refer to, were South Vietnamese civilians fleeing, the US was long gone. What kind of correspondence college are you a teacher at? One of the ones I might find on the back of a matchbook cover? You’ve embarrassed yourself by your lack of knowledge about history. You should ask Mr Unz to remove your gold star.

  94. Flubber says:
    @Biff

    What country are you describing?

    Because Venezuela is the land where hunger is so acute, family pets are on the menu.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @trickster
  95. Flubber says:
    @Anonymous

    However the evolution of the behaviours of Israel has made many an observer think they only way that they could justify their treatment of the Palestinians is to see them as Untermensch

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  96. Wally says:
    @Rev. Spooner

    – Yes he did. Please read the article under discussion.

    – Ex., Silly Saker said:

    “Trump has had a very consistent record of threatening fire and brimstone …”

    – Do better next time.

    Cheers.

  97. @Hossein

    Al Khaffeh! You are a troll speaking for a group of terrorist like al-Ahwazi sitting in EU because you have no balls to return and then speak for justice!

    • Replies: @Hossein
  98. Cleburne says:
    @Sean

    Shiver me timbers. Better clear out some room in the bunker to hide from said brickbats.

    The Saker is a fraud and doesn’t deserve reasoned argument in response to his asinine LARPing.

    And I’m saying that as a long-time reader. His schtick weareth thin and he’s a crappy writer to boot.

  99. AWM says:

    I think we shouldn’t just give Trump credit for not destroying civilization, after all, V Putin has likewise spared all of our lives so far. I mean, the guy has to be getting the DTs, he hasn’t invaded anyone since Crimea, right?

    I think you are on to something with this “6th Column” thing, not everybody is a fan of the Globalists, Jews, or Marxists.

  100. Jake says:

    If Trump intends to sidestep the endless wars planned by the Neocons, he has to delay by whatever means. Neocons had trillions of dollar worldwide behind them, and they are as ruthlessly amoral, and as delighted at mass slaughter, as Mongols.

    Neocons are the predominate group in American foreign policy, in both parties.

    • Replies: @Cleburne
  101. jadan says:
    @jadan

    @Alfred

    Thanks for the Greta interview! I thought maybe you included it because she implicates herself in some nefarious population reduction conspiracy, given that overpopulation is the cause of the greenhouse effect. But I don’t find anything she says that leads me to think she thinks population is even a problem. She has a unique voice and a charming personality.

    Is “Alfred” an avatar for Donald J Trump? “Almost harmless virus”! “Fake climate change”! You’re out there on the fringes of civilized discourse comrade! Would make for a compelling story line in a Netflix series. A cabal of environmentalists, who are actually shape shifting lizards from another planet, unleash a virus into the population, kind of like Covid19, not too threatening, but with more dramatic symptoms like projectile vomiting and uncontrollable sexual urges. People fuck each other to death and die in a pool of vomit. WHO doesn’t catch on right away since this is fairly normal behavior. A beautiful, intelligent FBI agent, blonde, bee stung lips, who doesn’t like to fuck all that much, suspects there is a hidden left wing conspiracy at work and so on. It’s got great potential! 5 seasons at least!

  102. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:
    @Flubber

    Israel is nothing more than typical jewish behavior. That’s it. It’s what the NSDAP was fighting. The incessant shrieking and whining from judaism’s collaborators trying to conflate Israel with Germany, National Socialism, like Israel has fallen off the path or some such nonsense, is just an attempt to reconcile their refusal to abandon the cartoon villain image jewry has proffered for them about German and the Second Zionist War. For the postwar order, in the US and the USSR, the unique evil of the Germans, the religion of the Holohoax, the kangaroo courts of Nuremberg, are foundational myths. They can’t ever come to grips with what is staring them in the face. Fruit of the poisoned tree. It was a good thing the USSR collapsed and they all had their lives so fucked up. It will be good when the same happens to Americans. Hopefully AnonFromTN gets it twice.

  103. @A123

    Switching subjects is a sure sign that the opponent cannot refute what you wrote.

    • Replies: @A123
  104. @Flubber

    Because Venezuela is the land where hunger is so acute, family pets are on the menu.

    This statement shows that you not just weren’t in Venezuela, you don’t even know anyone who currently lives there. There are no hungry people in Venezuela, in sharp contrast to US “friend” Colombia, for example (check out https://www.npr.org/2020/05/27/860886575/during-colombias-coronavirus-lockdown-needy-residents-signal-sos-with-red-rags,
    Or https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/world/africa/coronavirus-hunger-crisis.html

    Or do a search with “Colombia lockdown hunger”: even cucked Google will find you numerous websites and youtube videos with this info.

    The Empire should teach its propagandists to avoid easily refutable lies.

    • Agree: FB, trickster
  105. Partic says:

    The level of incompetence that has penetrated every nook and cranny of American life in the last 40 years is hard to exaggerate.

    From the government with its bloated bureaucracies with the military being the prime, but by no means only example.
    To business with their on steroids shortsightedness as their every act is seemingly geared to only enrich a favored few with no regard whatsoever for posterity.

    Posterity a word we dont hear much anymore since women stopped having babies deciding instead to immerse themselves in politics and hair styles.

    Based on the last 40 years or so of presidential leadership it should be apparent to all but the willfully blind that as a nation we are no longer capable of producing anything approaching competent leadership.

    All our basic institutions have suffered.
    Politicians who can’t manage much less lead.
    Priests who no longer believe in God.
    Teachers who don’t teach much less educate.
    Business men with their 5 year plans who can’t see farther out than today’s stock price.
    Soldiers who can’t or won’t win wars.

    A nation can stand a lot of ruin.
    We seem hell bent on proving that truism false.

    • Replies: @Herald
    , @Patagonia Man
  106. Cleburne says:
    @Jake

    Mongols? Jake, you disappoint me. Certainly you meant the New Model Army commanded by arch Zio-Wasp Oliver Cromwell.

  107. A123 says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Switching subjects is a sure sign that the opponent cannot refute what you wrote.

    Yes it is your favorite tactic. So let me restate the questions that you are trying to switch away from. Why are you:

    — Happy & proud at massive Muslim thievery?
    — Unhappy & sad about much lesser offenses by Christians?

    If you expect to be taken seriously you need to explain your standards.

    Or, are you simply a victim of Trump Derangement Syndrome?

    PEACE 😷

    • Replies: @Herald
    , @anon
  108. meena says:
    @A123

    Did Israel interfere in US election to get Trump elected for this bravado against Palestinian and Iranian- friendly Venezuela or to annex the west bank ,Jerusalem and get Golan without giving Palestinian any citizenship ( https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/netanyahu-palestinians-jordan-valley-annexation-israeli-citizenship)?

    “Redacted FBI document hints at Israeli efforts to help Trump in 2016 campaign
    Affidavit quotes Trump confidant Roger Stone being told by a Jerusalem contact: ‘He is going to be defeated unless we intervene. We have critical intell. The key is in your hands!’

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/redacted-fbi-document-hints-at-israeli-efforts-to-help-trump-in-2016-campaign/

  109. Art says:

    Trump is breaking long time nuke treaties – Trump is restarting nuke testing – Trump still hides the Jewish State nukes – what the hell????????????????????

    Trump has failed to connect with the Christian nation of Russia, when we should be mutually working on nuke disarmament.

    Clearly, he is taking the US and the world in the wrong direction.

  110. Moi says:
    @WorkingClass

    The final nail that will seal the coffin of the American Empire has a name–China. Say hello to the next military and economic superpower–but one focused on doing business, not militarily threatening other countries.

    • Replies: @Art
  111. FB says: • Website
    @A123

    Decades of socialist rule have reduced PDVSA to the point where it cannot refine kerosene and has to import it.

    And I guess now you’re an expert on oil refining technology also…[besides your ‘expertise’ on signal intelligence…to which I responded here…]

    What exactly do you know about the very specialized kinds of equipment used in petroleum refining that only a few countries in the world produce, and which are denied to Venezuela by sanctions…?

    Please go ahead and tell us about that equipment [fluid handling equipment, heat exchangers etc] and why a small Latin American country should be able to produce this kind of advanced equipment…

    Also tell us what Venezuela should do about the SABOTAGE to its industry and infrastructure carried out by the comprador elites that similary rail against ‘socialism’…[because they resent the fact that they can no longer loot money from the pockets of ordinary folks…]

    You’re really quite the fool…popping off here with all the usual socialism bogeyman nonsense, that I have to wonder if someone that brainwashed can possibly think for himself about anything…?

  112. Vojkan says:
    @obwandiyag

    No, socialism doesn’t work. It consumes more wealth than it produces. Unless a country has inexhaustible natural resources to exploit, the part of society that produces wealth just cannot produce enough to satisfy both its needs and the needs of the unproductive parts in a socialist system. Socialism doesn’t create wealth growth, it creates debt growth. It’s a matter of simple arithmetics.

  113. Anonymous[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @old smokey

    Right, and thanks for the reminder.

  114. Anonymous[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonFromTN

    You’re wrong, but you love it anyway, mocking our vets who in equal confrontations or outnumbered in the case of our recon teams wiped up the floor with your heroes, the NVA. Your miserable sort of American-hating coward—it shows by your diction and style—loved the NVA for occasionally killing or maiming an American back then. But now that they’re recruited by the likes of Sean Hannity to die, be maimed, or come home to commit suicide so good Jewish boys need not, well, you probably can’t get enough of it, right?

    • Disagree: Biff
    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  115. trickster says:
    @A123

    Where in my comments did I ever say I wanted war ? On the contrary I said war with Venezuela will be a disaster AND the US cannot initiate a war because it is UNABLE TO DO SO. You need to read my comments again. The “simple reality” is the US has been checkmated by little Venezuela and her allies and this is a simple reality all US politicians and military leaders must swallow whether they like it or not. They can choose to act but it will be another Iraq. WE WILL LOSE !

    And my violent Ayatollah ? A gibbering war monger ? My exceedingly low IQ ? WHAT are you talking about ??

    Venezuela is very easy to contain ? How ? Please advise us Field Marshal A123 ! With the Cubans, Russians, Chinese, Iranians on Maduro’s side, with Iranian tankers there and soon to be there I ask again HOW ?

    The opinions of some of the other commentators here on Unz are that you are a bit of a nutball. If your goal is to be a little troll then so be it. However, the other commentators here need you to support your assertions. Teach us something, write something that makes sense otherwise rather than being all emotional and sensitive and irrational!

    • Replies: @A123
  116. trickster says:
    @Flubber

    I got back from Venezuela (Maracaibo and Caracas) at the end of February. I have family and friends who live there and I did not witness any hunger among the general population. What the average American classifies as hunger is the inability to have a 3 egg breakfast with home fries, bacon, sausage, pancakes and endless coffee followed by:
    -Snacks
    -Lunch of a triple burger, fries, a bag of chips and a milk shake
    -More snacks
    -Dinner of a large pizza or another load of fast food
    -More snacks, chips and sodas until bedtime.

    Venezuelans eat differently and spend their money on quality food hence one rarely sees people that are obese, with canes, oxygen tanks and walkers. What we classify as affluence they call greed and gluttony.

    All too frequently the people one sees “lining up” for food or saying they have to eat their pet dog and parrot are generally paid to do so. Once the cameras stop rolling or their ‘Protest Contract” hourly fee is used up they disperse.

    Dont believe the bullshit you see on social media. The US is also a land of hunger and it surprises a lot of Venezuelans that the contents of the garbage bins in every US city is on the menu ! That is the state of affairs in the richest country in the world.

  117. Art says:
    @Moi

    The final nail that will seal the coffin of the American Empire has a name–China.

    Really —- China is a pariah nation because of CV19. They have lost the propaganda war with Trump.

    • Replies: @Moi
    , @AnonFromTN
  118. bluedog says:
    @Cking

    If Trump knows all of this then why is he feeding the ones that you say he knows all about,greedy wall street and the wall street bankers and the 1% who operates there.Trump is dumping trillions into the financial system to protect the 1% and the bankers..

    Now just where do you think Trump could start a war where he wouldn’t get his ass kicked when the body bags start returning home.I haven’t seen Trump end of those so called wars,in fact he’s keeping the war in Syria going and boosted the forces in the Mid-East,Afghanistan is a toss up, he wants to pull the military out but yet that will leave thousands of mer’c. still there and some one has to pay for that……….hell anyone with a half a brain would know that Trumps not going to do a damn thing as he’s dumped trillions with his huge tax cuts and funding of wall street for his 1% buddies and of course for himself.!!!

    • Replies: @Cking
  119. @Priss Factor

    What’s your opinion of Jeffrey Epstein?

  120. bluedog says:
    @Anonymous

    Lol you must be a nut Trump would kiss Israels ass on Penn.Avenue everyday of the week, and twice on Sunday along with that little prick of a son-in-law ,which means in real time you have no point at all,sounds like your a runner for the jews .!!!

  121. Alfred says:
    @Jiminy

    Did you see much of the country when you were in Iran? I saw a tv show lately where the guy trekked from Russia, then finally ended in Iran. It seems to be a country of spectacular scenery.

    It is quite a large country – 3 times the area of France. I saw some parts of it quite well. Especially the area between Tehran and the Caspian Sea. There are forests there with ancient trees. Spectacular mountains. Waterfalls. Springs. Caves. A short distance from Tehran is Damavand. It is a mountain that is 1,800m higher than mount Fuji. It is a currently-dormant volcano.

    I was busy working so I did not see as much of it as I would have liked. I had the opportunity to go to Kabul but I didn’t go – much to my regret. That was when it still had a king and was relatively stable.

    The thing I find most regrettable about this country is that there is ample rain for trees to grow in much of it. When trees cover an area, they encourage passing clouds to drop their water. It is a positive feedback. More water leads to more trees eventually. But the rulers and people allow goats and sheep to eat the little vegetation.

    There was a hillside north of Tehran that was fenced in for the Shah’s wife. Within a few years, it had turned green. After the revolution, the goats got in and now it is parched again. A real shame.

  122. A123 says:
    @trickster

    You need to read my comments again. The “simple reality” is the US has been checkmated by little Venezuela and her allies and this is a simple reality

    I read your comments , but you obviously did not read or understand mine. The “simple reality” is the U.S. does not want the broken wreck that is the Socialist Utopia of Venezuela.

    You were caught strawmanning. (1)

    A type of trolling where the Troller attempts to pwn someone by claiming something they said means something totally different to what that actually meant.

    You made up a fictional scenario about U.S. boots on the ground, and then pronounced your bizarre conclusion about a “checkmate”. Except, your conclusion is detached from reality. There can be no “checkmate”as there is nothing to “checkmate”. Your quasi-analysis is wholly bogus as it does not relate to any action intended by the Trump administration.

    Venezuela is very easy to contain ? How ? Please advise us Field Marshal A123 !

    Field Marshal? You value you my skills as those of a 5-star General. I feel gratified by your statement, but I am not that good. I make simple observations that anyone with a modicum of actual military understanding could make.

    The VAF has a known and limited number of planes and AA systems. They have run their industrial infrastructure into the ground, so the first step was determining how much of the military infrastructure is still available. Trump’s words panicked Maduro into a full military alert. The U.S. Military now has a current score on readiness and location of those assets.

    The VAF has:
    — No systems that can engage with the F-22 or F-35.
    — Too few systems to cope with a large number of unmanned weapons, such as tomahawks.

    Do not believe FB the Militarily Ignorant Troll‘s absurd misinformation. He is so dense he does not understand that mid-air refueling can extend aircraft combat range. If Maduro picks a fight, the U.S. will win air superiority within the first few days. It will not be loss free, but it is readily achievable. Once total air superiority is obtained, Venezuela will have little to no ability to project force towards the U.S.

    After that, there would still be several additional weeks of effort to destroy the facilities that could shelter and launch anti-ship missiles. Could Venezuelan infantry be a nuisance to their neighbors? Of course. However without the ability to mount an air defense, those neighbors have many options to retaliate.
    _______

    All of this comes back to my original point. Both Trump and Maduro want to avoid a fight. It would be expensive for the U.S. and destructive to Venezuela. Ayatollah Khameni is desperate and wants to provoke a conflict, but it will not happen. Forget about it.

    PEACE 😷
    _______

    (1) https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Strawmanning

    • Replies: @FB
  123. Alfred says:
    @endthefed

    except for shooting down the airliner part

    That episode is highly-suspicious for a multitude of reasons. I don’t believe the Iranian version for one moment.

    1- Two or three planes took off before this plane without being shot down.

    2- Ukraine International Airways is largely owned by Mr Kolomoisky – a notorious Jewish gangster and bank robber. He is the man who put Zelensky in power in Ukraine.

    3- I suspect that Kolomoisky made a big insurance profit out of this disaster – as did our friend Silverstein at 9/11

    4- The Americans were all over Iran at that moment and there is suspicion that stealth aircraft were over Iran. Also, they could have had electronic warfare gear in a truck near the airport.

    5- Some unknown person took a video of the incident and it is a strange place for someone to be at that time of the night to be taking videos of aircraft taking off.

    6- The Iranians had a big incentive to pretend that it was their mistake. Admitting that the Israelis had that sort of capability within Tehran would have been a huge scandal to their governing class.

    I am sure others can add to this list. The story is not over by a long shot.

    Flight recorders from Iran plane crash still not in Canada’s hands, Garneau says (May 29, 2020)

  124. @Rich

    Two years after the last American combat troops left, the North defeated the South.
    The photos you’ve seen of people leaving on rooftops, is from the American embassy, where rightfully fearful South Vietnamese civilians were trying to flee the murderous communists. The US was already gone, as I wrote FOR TWO YEARS.

    Let me re-phrase this.

    Seven years after the last Soviet combat troops left, the Taliban finaly took over Kabul and hanged Dr. Mohammad Najibullah, the Soviet installed Afgan president, from a trafic post.

    If US were not defeated in Vietnam, then Soviet Union was not defeated in Afganistan. Or not?

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Rich
  125. Herald says:
    @A123

    If you expect to be taken seriously you need to explain your standards.

    If you expect to be taken seriously you are on the wrong site.

    • LOL: A123
  126. Herald says:
    @Partic

    At least the soldiers are doing something right.

  127. A123 says:
    @Simpleguest

    If US were not defeated in Vietnam, then Soviet Union was not defeated in Afganistan. Or not?

    — The USSR military was not defeated when they withdrew Afghanistan.
    — The U.S. military will not be defeated when they pull the full-Gromov.

    Incompetent fools, like Barack Hussein Obama, make terrible decisions such as putting troops into Afghanistan. Saving lives by undoing catastrophic errors made by a predecessor should be viewed as a success not a defeat.

    Neither the USSR nor the U.S. gained anything by having a presence in Afghanistan. The USSR withdrew and the U.S. will soon do the same (1). Now, will China complete the Trifecta and make the same mistake?

    PEACE 😷
    _______

    (1) https://thehill.com/policy/defense/499622-trump-wants-troops-in-afghanistan-back-stateside-by-election-day-report

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  128. Cking says:
    @bluedog

    The Fed/Wall St. system is looting the Treasury facilitating another Bankers Offensive, it is the real war conducted against the United States. There is some appeasement in President Trump’s treatment of the 1% and the TBTF cabal. What do you want the President to do when 95 % of the American people don’t know or understand what happened in US Banking and completely blot out the memory and consequences of the 2008 Financial Meltdown and its solution, the Rape of America? Since Plato, the High and Mighty are served first. We’re in new territory now. Since 2008 when not one banker-speculator went to jail or was even criminally or civilly indicted for wrong doing, we must conclude there is no Law in Banking. If a Bank has criminal immunity, what has happened? They’re a defeated enemy dependent on perpetual US bailouts, yet appear to be more powerful than the government. The new 2020 Meltdown covers up the slaughter of small businesses vulnerable to being sold and bought for pennies on the dollar and although QE 5 exists, where banks get 0% money, you still pay 16% percent interest on your credit card. The threat that Trump may do something, is the location of the hostility, the coup offensive to oust the President. Trump does not have the political or the government’s bureaucratic power to confront and subdue the US Fed/Wall St./Banker-Speculator system. This whole Banker Offensive on the United States and the American people, as the Corona Crisis shut-down operates in support of the Bankers Offensive, needs more information, understanding, and broadcast to support any popular counter attack and reorganization of the US banking and financial system. I reference Catherine Austin Fitts’, solari.com

    • Replies: @bluedog
  129. anon[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    Your double standards are a huge personal problem that you need to work on.

    Muslims stole (in purely criminal sense of the word) the land of Judea & Samaria. Why are you happy about you preferred robbers keeping stolen property? Why are you proud of the Muslim colonization and occupation of land that is not theirs?

    PEACE 😷

    Your utter jew stupidity and jew parasitism are a huge personal problem that can only be solved by you killing yourself.

    Mass-murdering jew filth from Poland and Russia stole (in a purely criminal sense of the word) the land of Palestine. Why are you happy about your preferred jew robbers and murderers keeping stolen Palestinian land and property? Why are you proud of the jew colonization and occupation of land that is not yours?

    SUCK ON A JEW TURD AND DIE 🖕

  130. anon[137] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    You are a gibbering warmonger. All you want is war. Trump offers peace and you spit on it.

    Venezuela is very easy to contain. I am sorry that your exceedingly low-IQ prevents you from grasping simple reality, but that is your problem not mine.

    Neither Maduro nor Trump wants a war. Despite the provocations of your violent Ayatollah, there is not going to be one. Get over it.

    PEACE 😷

    Nah, you are a gibbering jew mouth breather and parasite. All you want is to spew jew shit everywhere. Death offers peace and you need to die already.

    Venezuela cannot and will not be contained. I am not sorry that your exceedingly low jew IQ prevents you from grasping simple reality, because it’s your very own jew stupidity that will kill you in the end.

    The Iranians have consistently outplayed you. Despite the provocations of your jew bought and paid for orange baboon in the White House, there won’t be any American fought wars for your jew pseudo-state. Enjoy your little adventure in jew-occupied Palestine while you still can….

    SUCK ON A JEW TURD AND DIE 🖕

  131. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    Yes it is your favorite tactic. So let me restate the questions that you are trying to switch away from. Why are you:

    — Happy & proud at massive Muslim thievery?
    — Unhappy & sad about much lesser offenses by Christians?

    If you expect to be taken seriously you need to explain your standards.

    Or, are you simply a victim of Trump Derangement Syndrome?

    PEACE 😷

    Nah, jew, it is your favorite tactic. So let me restate the questions that you are trying to switch away from. Why are you:

    — Happy & proud at massive jew thievery and murder?
    — Unhappy & sad about goyim not giving a pass to massive offenses by parasitic jew scum?

    You are a victim of jew Derangement Syndrome.

    You will never be taken seriously and need to kill yourself.

    SUCK ON A JEW TURD AND DIE 🖕

  132. Smith says:

    As the situation of USA and Russia become more untenable due to incompetent leadership, both are falling.

    As I feared, it is China’s time to rise, now it’s up to everyone to save themselves.

  133. bluedog says:
    @Cking

    Oh is that the reason Trump told the head of the Fed to cut interest rates when the market went into a slight correction,said they would go to zero if needed,is that why he told them that there is $4,6 trillion in future money if they need it,Don’t try to blame it on people as to what they understand or don’t understand he’s suppose to be the president,but he’s acting more as a used car salesman,hell the bankers have owned this country ever since they sit up the treasury,……..Hamilton said when he set up the treasury “that at the center of the treasury shall be placed a group of wealthy individuals, who will build the ships the factories etc” they of course were the bankers ‘The Life of George Washington”

    And no you haven’t seen any banker go to jail nor will you, Trump is no different then his predecessors he talks a lot of B.S, and the people believe him, even people who should know better,<<

  134. why didn’t Trump retaliate for the Iranian-Soliemani strike?

    ” Trump could have known A Covid attack on Iran was imminent so stayed his military hand.”

    America did not really stand down to the Iranian attack..their retaliation was attack by biological weapon

  135. FB says: • Website
    @A123

    The VAF has:
    — No systems that can engage with the F-22 or F-35.
    — Too few systems to cope with a large number of unmanned weapons, such as tomahawks.

    So you have become an air combat ‘expert’ since my previous debunking of your kindergarten-level nonsense about THINGS WHICH YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT…

    The F35 is not even allowed to fly supersonically now…along with many more problems that are yet to be fixed…and this science project is going to be thrown up against Russian Flankers and S300s…?

    The F22 is another science project that requires about 50 hours of maintenance for each flight hour…even in tiny Syria, the F22, which is tasked with keeping the Russian Flankers honest [like they care…LOL] are able to fly sorties only about ONCE A WEEK…

    As for aerial refueling of F22s so they can attack Venezuela [wow…do morons like this actually exist…], why don’t you go and suggest this to the USAF…?

    I’m sure the officers at Air Mobility Command would love to hear your ideas about where exactly to orbit those tankers where they would be safe from Venezuelan S300s with 250 km reach, plus Su30s with air to air missiles that can threaten any large, slow moving assets like tankers over a very wide area…?

    Tomahawks aren’t capable of engaging mobile air defense systems, since they do not have radar homing of any kind, so are useless in the suppression of enemy air defense role [SEAD]…I already explained this last time…

    You have absolutely no idea what scale operation would be required to defeat Venezuela…they have enough very good Russian fighter jets and surface to air missiles to be very dangerous in a defensive role…

    Science projects like ‘stealth’ aircraft have zero advantage over Navy aircraft like FA18s in this situation, again as I have already explained, since those very large air defense radars can easily see ‘stealth’ aircraft…even fighter radars which are tiny in comparison can see ‘stealth’ aircraft at anything but very long range…

    An aerial attack on Venezuela would be most realistically planned with carrier-borne aircraft…even that would be very dangerous and have little chance of shutting down the Venezuelan air defenses…just like Nato wasn’t able to shut down Serbia’s air defenses, which were nowhere near as capable…

    The only realistic option would be a bombardment with ship-launched Tomahawk cruise missiles, which would not do anything to diminish Venezuela’s air wing, nor its S300s…but could certainly do a lot of damage to Caracas and civilian infrastructure…again as Nato bombing did in Serbia…while also not endangering any US fighter aircraft, the loss of which would be very problematic in terms of optics on the world stage…

    The stuff you are suggesting is just plain nonsense that one would expect from a child…I have no idea what kind of work you do for a living, but it certainly it has nothing to do with aviation, nor even anything remotely technical…in other words, lot of useless lip flapping…

    • Replies: @vot tak
    , @trickster
  136. Hossein says:
    @Monty Ahwazi

    Ooops. I must have scratched your sensitive Aryan skin. The truth has worked forcing you to blurt out some horse shit accusing those who defend the oppressed as trolls or speaking for terrorists. You must have learnt such lessons of demonisatin and vilification from your supremacist masters in Tel Aviv who taught your king of kings and your murderous Mullas the art of caste system, apartheid and open racism . Not to forget the billions in weaponry they sold to your “Anti Imperialist” Imams, Komini and kameni. You and your like remind me of those who accuse anyone who criticizes Jewish apartheid and racism in occupied Palestine as “anti semitic”.The similarities are easy to detect. You are a joke.
    It is sad and utterly distressing that progressives ,right or left, have not delved into the Persian racist system in Iran and have not raised their voices opposing the murderous ethnic and racial policies of the regime ,forced demographic changes and open cultural and environmental warfare against ethnic minorities who comprise most of the population of that country.

    Cheers

    • Replies: @Monty Ahwazi
  137. Rich says:
    @Simpleguest

    I agree with you. Obviously.

    • Replies: @Simpleguest
  138. sally says:
    @Sean

    sure like to see your numbers to prove your statement that the common people..are ..
    gaining in wealth at any rate.. …the Covid 19 scam is an inflation catalyst,
    inflation accelerates the transform of have not wealth to the have power

    Monopoly power (Copyright, and Patent created by rule of law from hot thin Air and enforced by International courts) is the major cause of income disparity, asset accumulation, and concentrated high density human populated city states throughout the entire nation state system.

    Remove (or dispense with) copy right and patent laws to watch multinational corporations disappear in a flash. Oil and gas operate within corporate monopolies, that is the reason for government hosted private wars. ..

    • Replies: @Sean
  139. sally says:
    @Anonymous

    Nation states are host for corporate empires. Nation states exist to hide the true operons that run the nation state.
    Israel is a name of the nation state franchised to a group of corporations and banksters.
    One can track JFK, RFK, 9-11, Panama 103, USS Liberty and Sussanna to a corporate source.. and from the corporate source to its elite sponsor.. which is not the nation state, no the political system, but instead a nation state hosted pocket of extreme private wealth.

  140. @WorkingClass

    You are assuming that the Democrats love REAL Socialism. They don’t. Their only actual Socialist, Bernie Sanders, folded like a cheap suit when push came to shove.

  141. Hibernian says:
    @FB

    Electronic surveillance aircraft don’t have to be in or almost in threat airspace to do their jobs. There are also surveillance ships which can operate in international waters.

    • Replies: @FB
  142. FB says: • Website
    @Hibernian

    Is that right…?

    Well, why don’t you go ahead and explain to us how exactly that works then…?

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @antibeast
  143. vot tak says:
    @FB

    A123 is a zio-suck willie wearing designer blue and white knee pads (polite: a propagandist troll). Not really anything worth elaborating further about the critter.

    • Agree: bluedog
  144. anonymous[202] • Disclaimer says:

    It is so hilarious that many of the whitrash nationalist lowlifes here who are slamming Saker for his “analysis” (in their view) are probably those who avidly follow Faux News, etc., along with their current liar-in-chief, the Orange-utan, the retarded albino ape.

    What these whitrash lowlifes simply ignore is that Saker’s “analysis” is all but harmless, a man trying to make a living, perhaps at best entertaining for those who hate the Great Satan so viscerally (like me 😀 ). What is wrong with that? After all, what they say about “opinions” can be extrapolated to “analyses” too, isn’t it?

    We want our daily Saker, because even if he may be hyperbolic in some aspects of his analyses, but then going by how the Great Satan is slowly manifesting into the Pussy Satan, he can’t possibly be entirely wrong. We see such Evil rotting away and it gives us hope that good will prevail. God willing.

    Now, contrast that with the mofing whitrash in the Faux News offices, and the lump of lard sitting in the Black-est House, and the other maniacs before him. Their “analyses” actually cause people to suffer and die… FauxNewsLowlifes lie, people die… Orange-utan lies, people die… Tony b.Liar lies, people die… Shrub lies, people die. You know what is common about all these scum… yes, whitevil-mofing-nationalists.

    Such are those who are the gutter lowlifes, along with their apologists here and everywhere who support and sustain them.

    May The Saker live long and thrive!

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
  145. @Rich

    I agree with you. Obviously.

    I am not so sure we are in agreement.
    I think both Soviet Union and US were defeated politically i.e. they did not attain their political goals.
    Military battlefield victories were irrelevant.

    • Replies: @Rich
  146. Moi says:
    @Art

    Keep BSing yourself. We are on our way down because we’ve effed-up bigtime.

  147. Hibernian says:
    @FB

    Try a little high school physics.

    • Replies: @FB
  148. Bartolo says:

    “what about the cruise missile strikes on Syria? What about the murder of Soleimani?” ->> shame on you, Saker. Yes, it would have been better if he had refrained from those measures, but Trump has avoided further escalation and has avoided new wars. After 3 years, we can say he IS a peace loving president, the first non-psychopathic president in a long time. But you choose to attack him nontheless. Good luck when Democrats take power, genius. If you attack the good in the name of the perfect (a “perfect” that is out of reach), you are an enemy of the good, Saker.

  149. Bartolo says:

    The Saker is losing his mind and speaking demonstrable nonsense: “finding an even smaller and weaker country than Venezuela will be hard (maybe the Island of Saba? or Grenada again? who knows?)”
    SAY WHAT? There are 162 countries smaller than Venezuela in the world, and 145 with less population. Why would anyone spout obvious nonsense? What is even the point?

  150. Rich says:
    @Simpleguest

    Military battlefield victories are irrelevant? Yes, we do disagree. But you are also incorrect if you think the US was defeated politically in Vietnam. Just to jog your memory, in 1974 Nixon was removed from office, the new US Congress was far left and was actually sympathetic to the reds. In other words, in case English isn’t your first language, the people running the US in 1974-75 no longer were the same people running it in 71-72. This new group, now running the US government, wanted the North to win. So if it’s politics you’re arguing, you’re wrong on that point also. What I think you can say, if you want to nitpick, is that those who were no longer in power in the US, those who wanted to keep the South free of communism, were defeated in their political goals.

    Doesn’t change the fact that the US military won every major engagement against the NVA (a real military) and destroyed the VC as a unified fighting force by 1969.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @bluedog
    , @Jazman
  151. anonymous[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    but has Islam nothing to do with the stifling of intelligence… ?

    There is nothing in Islam which stifles intelligence. In fact, it liberates mankind in at least one aspect of intellectual pursuit, which is pondering our very purpose of existence on earth. After all it is only with Islam that mankind came to a lucid comprehension of Divinity. There is no faith which puts forth this understanding so clearly, and consequently no other people who follow this understanding, as heartily as our Creator commands of His creation.

    Here it is, the essence of Islam;

    Say, “He is Allah, [who is] One, Allah, the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born, Nor is there to Him any equivalent.” : Holy Quran 112

    And,

    I bear witness that God is One, and the only One worthy of worship.

    Also, there are verses in the Holy Quran and the Hadiths which exhort true monotheists to pursue knowledge, but I will leave that for now.

    What you say appears to be the constant refrain in western pagan godless cesspools. So, Islam is to be blamed for the humiliation of the muslim, for his perceived “low IQ,” for his civil wars…? Yeah, the evil whitey (and other pagans) has had no hand in fomenting these wars, of keeping the muslim oppressed/subjugated through sanctions/threats, living hand to mouth, unable to gain a proper education, etc.?

    That said, I concede that blaming our subjugation by the evil whitey (and assorted pagan majorities, eg. India, China) cannot be our constant excuse too. Islamic Iran has shown the world what muslims are capable of, even under intense duress. They are certainly more honourable than the feckless present-day Arabs. I say that as a non-Arab sunni, who practises his faith, and also has a deep respect for science, technology, arts, medicine, etc. The fact that those are mostly western accomplishments is not lost on me. That is okay, because Paradise (true monotheism) will anytime beat Hell (pagan godlessness).

    If religion is to be blamed for the “low IQ” of people, that would mean pagan cesspools should have some of the lowest IQs in the world. A people who can believe the infinite God is some lowly man/woman/animal-like creature, can have elephant heads, etc., can they possess superior intelligence? No, of course not. But, we also see that is not entirely true, as the western pagan cesspool has shown us. So, my point is, religion and success in this world are not related.

    The pagan west would like to attribute its success to its faith in the abomination of polytheist mangods-worhsipping Christianity. That is plain deceit. These godless pagans claim such a thing to make it appear like God has favoured those people who have “truly found” Him. All they have found is a bastardisation between Hinduism, Greek mythology and the monotheist-paganism of the Juden.

    History has shown us that various civilisations (even Islamic) have done quite well over the course of time, before they faded away. It is true that the western civilisation has done exceeding well over the past some centuries. Its fading will come. Will it then be attributed to its slide into godlessness? But then, the western civilisational cesspool has always been godless. Worship of man-like gods is Godlessness.

    Finally, belief in man/woman/animal-like gods is the lowest form of IQ there can ever be, because it is this low IQ, which will lead man to an eternity in Hell. What will all the glories in this world amount to then?

    • Troll: Seraphim
    • Replies: @Seraphim
  152. @anonymous

    FauxNewsLowlifes lie, people die… Orange-utan lies, people die… Tony b.Liar lies, people die… Shrub lies, people die.

    With the possible exception of Trump, no one you mention is a nationalist.

  153. Seraphim says:
    @anonymous

    Islam is deprived of the Holy Spirit. “No one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, ‘Jesus be cursed’ and no one can say, ‘Jesus is Lord’, except by the Holy Spirit”. Denying that the Christ is God is the sin against the Holy Spirit and that’s the ‘sin that shall not be forgiven, neither in this world, neither in the world to come’.

  154. trickster says:
    @FB

    What you assert is a correct analysis and logical. However, you could write a Doctoral thesis on this issue and it would make no difference. This fellow has read a few articles here and there and is a military expert in all phases of air, infantry and naval tactics and capabilities.

    Right off the bat I will venture he HAS NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE and worse yet lacks the ability to think and be flexible. When backed into a corner with facts, reason and logic he becomes neurotic and spouts the most incomprehensible and irrational nonsense.

    With him, discussion and logic is useless. It is the same pattern of behaviour he exhibits with other topics on this site. In any case, notwithstanding any of the above, A123 just needs to ask himself this question:

    “If the US could successfully beat up on Venezuela, then why have they not done so?”

    • Replies: @A123
  155. @Anonymous

    I have only one question: are you mad or stupid? This is just my curiosity, as neither condition is treatable.

  156. FB says: • Website
    @Hibernian

    Try a little high school physics.

    Oh, I’ve ‘tried’ plenty of physics, friend…

    And way beyond ‘high school’…

    Which is why I am so interested in hearing your mighty revelations…but it seems your ‘knowledge’ extends only as far as tossing one-line smartass quips on a chat board…

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  157. @Art

    Really —- China is a pariah nation because of CV19. They have lost the propaganda war with Trump.

    Sweet dreams. The US government at all levels and the US healthcare system screwed up big time. Who do they blame? Certainly not themselves, that would be too honest. They blame China, WHO, whoever… I am really surprised they don’t blame Putin, Iran, Venezuela, etc., at least not yet.

    • Thanks: bluedog
  158. @A123

    Incompetent fools, like Barack Hussein Obama, make terrible decisions such as putting troops into Afghanistan.

    Indeed, an incompetent fool did that. But his name was George W. Bush.

    • Replies: @A123
  159. FB says: • Website
    @Rich

    Look IDIOT…

    I’m getting a little tired of your nonsense here about Vietnam…I’ve had to jump in several times already and set the record straight after you posted BLATANT BULLSHIT…

    But you never learn…you only come back later and start bullshitting again…

    Military victory has a very simple definition that has been the RULE since forever…the one who holds the territory wins…simple as that…if you leave, you have lost…that is quite obvious…

    The US left…it was there for far too long and had no chance of winning…when you leave you lose…again very simple…the guy holding the territory in the end wins…

    …the US military won every major engagement against the NVA…

    Bullshit…the 1972 Easter Offensive resulted in a the NVA gaining quite a bit of territory…

    The campaign can be divided into three phases: April was a month of PAVN advances; May became a period of equilibrium; in June and July the South Vietnamese forces counter-attacked, culminating in the recapture of Quảng Trị City in September.

    On all three fronts, initial North Vietnamese successes were hampered by high casualties, inept tactics and the increasing application of U.S. and South Vietnamese air power. One result of the offensive was the launching of Operation Linebacker, the first sustained bombing of North Vietnam by the U.S. since November 1968.

    Although South Vietnamese forces withstood their greatest trial thus far in the conflict, the North Vietnamese accomplished two important goals: they had gained valuable territory within South Vietnam from which to launch future offensives and they had obtained a better bargaining position at the peace negotiations being conducted in Paris.

    The resulting large scale bombing campaign, Operation Linebacker was NOT a US victory…

    Between 10 May and 23 October 1972, the United States lost a total of 134 aircraft either over the north or as a direct result of Linebacker missions. 104 were lost in combat and 30 were destroyed in operational accidents.

    The PAVN lost less than half as many, 63 according to US tallies…

    All told, the US lost over 10,000 aircraft in Vietnam…those kinds of losses are not sustainable…Vietnam won the war of attrition…

    By then, the US was toast…Nixon wanted to get out, wisely, and the bombing was to try to get better terms at the Paris peace talks…it didn’t work…

    In Linbacker 2, the US threw everything it had against the North Vietnamese…

    It saw the largest heavy bomber strikes launched by the U.S. Air Force since the end of World War II.

    The result was devastating losses for the US…

    By the conclusion of the Linebacker II campaign, the B-52 loss rate of the sorties was 3.43% (15 B-52s were shot down, 4 B-52s suffered heavy damage, 5 B-52s suffered medium damage for 729 flown sorties).

    The hit rate of the total strength was 12.75% (25 B-52s were hit for 196 B-52s)

    Those are UNSUSTAINABLE attrition rates…

    The US got its clock cleaned and rightly so…there is a B52 Victory museum in Hanoi…

    Considering the B52 is to this day the mainstay of the US strategic bomber force, it is instructive to everyone to understand how this arrogant ‘superpower’ got totally crushed by a nation living in huts…

    • Agree: Jazman
  160. antibeast says:
    @FB

    The US Navy has the Arleigh Burke class of guided missile destroyers. Here’s the Wikipedia entry:

    These warships were designed as multimission destroyers, able to fulfill the strategic land strike role with Tomahawk missiles; antiaircraft warfare (AAW) role with powerful Aegis radar and surface-to-air missiles; antisubmarine warfare (ASW) with towed sonar array, anti-submarine rockets, and ASW helicopter; and antisurface warfare (ASuW) with Harpoon missile launcher.

    Presumably, the US Navy would send a carrier battle group with several of these guided missile destroyers which would defend the aircraft carrier from hostile aircraft as well as launch TLAMs against their land targets from the sea.

    • Replies: @FB
  161. bluedog says:
    @Rich

    And now we have dumb and dumber! in one of the article’s here on Unz the poster list 120+ engagements we lost along with pictures to go along with them,suck up the propaganda kid for it only makes you dumber and convinces no one who has read books on Nam that theirs an once of truth in your ravings.!!!!

    • Replies: @Rich
  162. Sean says:
    @sally

    The top US percentile are earning 3% more a year after tax, but the bottom fifth is getting 1% more each year: Congressional Budget Office. Relative to the top earners ordinary folk are getting poorer; yes, and the political clout of the poor is decreasing with that. Also, elites are being imported those who live in the US are in many cases the elite of their country. So the conflict is not within the elite for declining share of the national cake, rather it pits a hostile and increasingly alien elite against the common folk of the country. However, On the world scale many millions of Indians and Chinese have been pulled out of serious poverty. Neither of those countries has a fraction of the US’s natural resources.

    As a great humanitarian maybe you want to internationalize the oil and arable land along with corporate intellectual property rights? There would be nothing to fight about then. I think there is more of an argument for supplying agricultural products and oil free than leaving invention and innovation to pure souls who are willing to invest in research and sweat blood without any patents and copyrights to protect the fruits of their labour. Some might say the emphasis on shareholder value has killed research in the US already, and the profitability is achieved by reducing quality, maintaining price, and providing inferior goods and services. There has been a budget deficit being running while there was no major war and continuing economic growth. Its not a system where wars are going to pay because countries the US fights have less innovation than America does.

  163. FB says: • Website
    @antibeast

    Presumably, the US Navy would send a carrier battle group with several of these guided missile destroyers which would defend the aircraft carrier from hostile aircraft as well as launch TLAMs against their land targets from the sea.

    Yes they would…AND…?

    Perhaps you missed my earlier discussion, ‘Admiral’…the one where I talk a little about how the Falklands War went…

    I suggest you have a look at that…you will see that the British task force of two carrier groups also included the latest escort destroyers tasked with defending the carriers…

    TWO of those British destroyers were SUNK by Argentine aircraft…

    In a relative strength comparison, Argentina was far weaker relative to Britain, than Venezuela is relative to the US…yet Argentina came very very close to winning that war, and within a hair’s breadth of sinking a British carrier…

    The Argentines had only FIVE TOTAL Exocet anti-ship missiles…and FOUR TOTAL Super Etendard fighters to launch those from…yet they still sunk TWO then state-of-the-art British destroyers…another one did manage to intercept the last Argentinian Exocet fired on the carrier…

    I think you will learn a lot more if you do more reading [including the information I present here] and less lip flapping…

  164. @Seraphim

    I doubt it is Islam. In fact during the Islamic Golden Age they were considered by most historians more advanced than Europe. See things such as the Scientific Method.

  165. @theinternetguy

    Are you sure about Qatar??? Qatar was getting blockaded by the Saudis and UAE etc. for being “too friendly” with Iran. You could be right – but I didn’t think Qatar was involved in that move in Syria…

  166. A123 says:
    @AnonFromTN

    True enough.

    You are correct, GW Bush started the mistake in Afghanistan. The logistical reality of operations in a land locked country with less than friendly neighbors left the force with rather limited capability. Bush let the military leaders on the ground make decisions within those limits. The result was coherent but very costly & highly unimpressive.
    ____

    BH Obama turned that mistake into a fiasco by undermining the regional military command structure. Decisions were made in DC that did not match the actual situation in the ground. Worse yet there was a lack of clear, militarily achievable objectives. A vision about a desired end state is useful, but there needs to be a road map to get there.

    When Obama’s vision failed to materialize, his administration did not resolve the underlying lack of clarity. Instead he surged an additional 30,000 troops. This raised expectations, while DC micromanagement made those expectations unreachable. The result was deadly on all sides, and utterly pointless.
    ___

    Afghanistan is BH Obama’s fiasco.
    Iraq is GW Bush’s folly.

    If you would like to say that the GW administration performance was enhanced by their inattention to Afghanistan, that may be fair. Sometimes benign neglect does work.

    PEACE 😷

  167. @trickster

    Though China held on to a piece of Vietnam for a decade… But China knows the Vietnamese so they knew it was better to hold the border area – rather than stay deep in Vietnam and have personnel die from taking pot shots every day.

  168. A123 says:
    @trickster

    Right off the bat I will venture he HAS NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE and worse yet lacks the ability to think and be flexible. When backed into a corner with facts, reason and logic he becomes neurotic and spouts the most incomprehensible and irrational nonsense.

    This is an excellent summary of the problems with posts by FB the Militarily Ignorant Troll.

    — He acts like a total fanboy over the system specifications of a single weapon.
    — He fails to grasp that the weapon has to make sense as part of a larger coordinated package to be useful.
    — When he is provided with accurate information about the errors in his analysis, he becomes neurotic, belligerent, and insulting.

    As a result FB the Militarily Ignorant Troll comes across as obnoxious, incomprehensible, and irrational. I have him on my blocked commenter list as his gibbering shows a complete lack of military comprehension.

    “If the US could successfully beat up on Venezuela, then why have they not done so?”

    I have addressed this point several times.

    How much did it cost the U.S. when GW Bush successfully beat up on Iraq? The nation is still paying excruciatingly high costs for replacing Saddam and taking over governance.

    Trump’s Administration will not repeat that error. Maduro will not be replaced by U.S. force, as that would make the U.S. responsible for the aftermath.
    ____

    If Maduro escalates and becomes a threat to shipping or airspace, the U.S. has options to counter those threats. However, they are expensive and consume munitions.

    For example, if the U.S. expends 300 tomahawk cruise missiles at $2MM/each that is $600 million dollars. And, it takes months to order and receive replacements. It would be unwise to tap this resource unescessarily.
    ____

    Maduro understands the situation, and will not intentionally provoke a fight that will damage his military.

    To date all sides have used expansive words but conservative actions. The exchanges have the feel of counting coup not belligerent threats. The communications appear to be aimed at internal audiences.

    PEACE 😷

    • Agree: Vojkan
    • Replies: @bluedog
    , @trickster
  169. Fritz says:

    Why should Trump do anything against the oil tankers en rout to Venezuela? They prove better than he ever could that the Venezuelan communist regime is made up of total morons, unable to use the natural riches in Venezuelan ground! Thats like a God given to Trump.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  170. Rich says:
    @bluedog

    Four exclamation points? Wow, you must really know your stuff. You and your fellow propagandists are wrong, of course, but with four exclamation points there’s probably no way to convince you.

    This will be the last time I respond to anything you write.

    • Replies: @bluedog
    , @Biff
  171. bluedog says:
    @A123

    Would you please list your military expertise and in which fields which I don’t believe you ever did, otherwise your nothing but a fart in a whirlwind or as they say a coyote barking at the heels of a wolf.!!

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  172. bluedog says:
    @Rich

    Damn that’s a relief thank you boy I knew you would go belly up your kind always do so have a nice day.!!!!

    • LOL: FB
  173. @Fritz

    Why should Trump do anything against the oil tankers en rout to Venezuela?

    Yet he made quite a bit of stink about it:
    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/05/22/vene-m22.html
    In the end, the Empire backed off, seeing its “sanctions” go up in smoke:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/29/trumps-sanctions-are-failing-venezuela-iran-just-proved-it/
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-venezuela-oil-tanker-us-trump-maduro-syria-assad-a9531671.html
    China promptly tried to take credit for it:
    https://asiatimes.com/2020/05/smooth-sailing-for-iranian-tankers-with-chinas-backing/
    However, Mexican bloggers say that the Empire was scared shitless by detecting Russian submarines in the vicinity of these Venezuela-bound Iranian tankers in the Atlantic.
    Whoever spooked the bandits, they were spooked and left these tankers unmolested.

    • Replies: @FB
  174. FB says: • Website
    @AnonFromTN

    However, Mexican bloggers say that the Empire was scared shitless by detecting Russian submarines in the vicinity of these Venezuela-bound Iranian tankers in the Atlantic.

    Thanks…don’t know how accurate that is, but I will note that Col Pat Lang has used that same word, scared *shitless* in firsthand reports from CENTCOM about a possible *incident* with Russian jets over Syria…

    The US officer corps is the only vestige of sanity left in the US…

  175. BeB says:

    Leave Trump alone. Have a look at the alternate choices in American politics before you trash him.

    • Replies: @Uomiem
  176. @Hossein

    From the spelling of some words and names it’s very obvious that you’re NOT even Persian! Therefore, you have no rights to speak about other countries’ business! Or as saying goes “khaffeh” meaning STFU because you don’t know what the hell you are talking about!

  177. Jazman says:
    @Rich

    http://www.g2mil.com/lost_vietnam.htm
    Read about US victories in Vietnam

    • Replies: @Rich
  178. Biff says:
    @Rich

    This will be the last time I respond to anything you write.

    Hey! Can I get one of those too?!!!

    !!!!

    !!

    • LOL: FB
    • Replies: @Stephen Dodge
  179. Rich says:
    @Jazman

    Sorry, Jazzman, that list is not an accurate record of the war in Vietnam. Left-wing propaganda which includes battles fought by the South Vietnamese Army and cases where the communists were able to retreat, hide and/or evade or small skirmishes. Find me one major engagement, or two if you feel lucky, and let’s examine them carefully. I’m not saying the NVA wasn’t a professional army or that they didn’t, at times, fight valiantly. The fact is, though, they couldn’t win against American troops and by 1971, or even earlier, they knew it.

  180. Smith says:

    The same chinks who say US lost the US-Vietnam war are also the ones who say chinks win the China-Vietnam War.

    It’s weird like that.

  181. Uomiem says:
    @MLK

    Perhaps she delayed impeachment because impeachment wasn’t supposed to go anywhere.

    You trumpers assume Trump and Pelosi are enemies because they sling mud at each other. What exactly do Trump and Pelosi do to hurt each other? Nothing. It’s an act.

    You go on and one about how the “deep state” hates Trumpstien as if that’s a point of his favor and ignore the fact that
    ZOG supports him.

    Funny how the deep state doesn’t bring this up.

    Myth of Trump

    Trump Calls for More Ag Guest Workers

    • Replies: @MLK
  182. FB says: • Website
    @Smith

    Says a ‘Vietnamese’ guy named ‘Smith’…😅😅😅

  183. Uomiem says:
    @BeB

    There are no alternatives. That’s the point. Trump, Hillary and Biden are on the same side. This side is made up of different factions that fight but at the end of the day the agenda moves forward.

    You need help with your addiction son.

    Hopium Crises

  184. Jazman says:
    @FB

    Academician Aleksandr Andreevich Raspletin – for radio engineering systems and guided missile weapons systems, too, like SP Korolev for “space”, and IV Kurchatov for “atom”. They were not cabinet scientists, after them there were no piles monographs and heaps of journal articles, but after them remained and still work the so-called “products” – anti-aircraft missile systems, launch vehicles and nuclear power plants. The life and work of A. A. Raspletin were deeply classified, even his name became known only after his death.

  185. @FB

    Allow me to post the non-racist version here:

    The same Chinese who say US lost the US-Vietnam war are also the ones who say Chinese win the China-Vietnam War.

    By the way, what wrong with this? It is true that China was lost to Vietnam in 1979 and the guy “Smith” is in fact absolutely correct to point out the how contradiction and problematic of pro-Chinese or Sinophilia or Sino-Sycophant here. I don’t even count what the guy “d dan” ramble about something like that “Vietnam is just lucky because US don’t use nuclear bomb yet.”

    • Replies: @bluedog
  186. @Smith

    How do you know all of the pro-China or Sinophilia or Sino-Sycophant here are Chinese? I assume that you think all of them is China is just same way you think I am a Chinese when I point out your racist, mental illness behavior in the comment section on the January. To me only, you are mental illness when you keep show your hatred uncontrollable like that (by using the racist word “chinks” so uncontrollable).

    By the way, from what I know at least right now, “showmethereal” (ShowYouIAmALiar is more likely correct) is a Singaporean, and I find out that the majority of pro-China here is not Chinese or Chinese citizen or mainland Chinese at least.

    Let ask you some questions that I am truly puzzled about you (being curious exactly):

    1. Why do you hate Russia? You seem have some kind of overprotective on Ukraine? Do you have Ukrainian wife so you are bias to Ukraine?

    2. Why do you hate The Saker? If you always want to bashing The Saker, why don’t you just go to his website and bash him or just email him why do you hate him. I assume you already know that The Saker never answer any comment in the Unz Review so what your point here. You look like to love to bash/mock him whenever you can than being criticize.

    3. You sound like a young man to me. According to your name “Smith” history here, I suspect you are using your parents email, right?

  187. Wielgus says:
    @FB

    The Easter offensive, the first one in which the NVA made extensive use of tanks, left it in control of about 10% of South Vietnam’s territory.

  188. gT says:
    @Jiminy

    From what I understand, the oil in the USA is light crude, good only for gasoline / petrol. The oil in Venezuela on the other hand is sour crude, from which gasoline / petrol and diesel can be derived.

    Diesel drives your trucks and tractors, so diesel is desperately needed for the US energy needs. In addition, Venezuela has the biggest oil reserves in the world, even bigger than Saudi Arabia. So Venezuela is of immense strategic importance. If something were to happen in the Middle East, and the US is on the back foot there already, the US would have to invade Venezuela to obtain diesel. And if the US were to invade Venezuela then Russia can do anything she wants in Eastern Europe and China can do whatever she wants anywhere. Global anarchy.

    • Replies: @Jiminy
  189. Vojkan says:
    @bluedog

    The funny thing with folks such as you is that when they have no counter-argument, they invariably, unswervingly resort to these:

    https://thebestschools.org/magazine/15-logical-fallacies-know/

    • Replies: @bluedog
  190. @Partic

    “A nation can stand a lot of ruin.”

    but it cannot survive treason from within

    “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” – Marcus Tullius Cicero

    • Agree: Biff
  191. Jiminy says:
    @gT

    Look, I’d probably agree with you. But eventually the time will come when the US needs more of a finite resource, the fuel to perform its policing of the worlds troubles routine. So they would be operating on a 10 or 20 year time frame with their projected needs. And what happens then. After all, Trump did say that he now had the oil in Syria, and that they were pulling out- when they decided to let the isis/ terrorist show come to an end last year. As for Venezuelan oil, I think they have the greatest reserve depending on the price of oil per barrel. Apparently it’s more difficult and expensive to retrieve than Arabian oil so its not worth it, except when prices are good.

  192. JamesinNM says:
    @WorkingClass

    Read economist Michael Hudson’s research on Venezuela and the Venezuelan elite living in South Florida who are determined to destroy Venezuela and its people to prevent the use of Venezuela’s resources to help the people.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  193. bluedog says:
    @Unorthodox Black Sheep VN

    Oh but they wanted to and LBJ said what are are you out of your “f*cking mind what do you want to do bring China into it” and that was the reason that they didn’t dare to.

  194. bluedog says:
    @Vojkan

    Nope just asking for his expertise on weapon platforms,missile tech, and aircraft,now I think that’s a very valid question, so we can judge his replies,one I would ask anyone who makes statements in these fields.!!!

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  195. Vojkan says:
    @bluedog

    Judging arguments not on their factual or logical validity but by asserting that one must have the proper credentials to make them is a fallacy called appeal to authority. Put less politely but more accurately, your reply is bullshit.

    • Replies: @bluedog
  196. MLK says:
    @Uomiem

    I’ll give you this, you give new meaning to Willful Ignorance. I didn’t think that was any longer possible when it comes to the relentless malefactions against candidate, president-elect and POTUS Trump.

    • Replies: @Uomiem
  197. trickster says:
    @A123

    Yes, as BlueDog asked I would also like to know:
    -What branch of the military you served
    -Where you did your basic training
    -Where you did your advanced training
    -What was your speciality
    -What staff courses you completed
    -What was your final rank

    and finally where and when did you actually experience front line operations as a combatant.

    I ask this because you are all over the place further confirming in my mind that you do not know what you are talking about. You sound like a teenager who has read a few articles, some books and played combat video games. Your comments lack military logic, lack political logic, lack insight into the causes of military and political errors as the result of the egos of the players and lack insight into the interplay of all these factors.

    Dont take my word for it. Print all your comments and the replies and take it down to your nearest Army/ Marine base, make friends with a field grade officer and ask him his opinion.

    I never speak about geology, plumbing or neuro surgery because those and many other fields are beyond the scope of my expertise. I know nothing of them. Like you I might read a few books and articles and can sound authoritative to people who know less or nothing. But to a plumber, a geologist or surgeon I would sound like an idiot.

    Please stop making specific remarks in a field and in a theatre of operations about which you know nothing.

    • Agree: bluedog
    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
  198. trickster says:
    @FB

    Well put together. Your key point, he who abandons the field has lost is absolutely correct. The video games players who infest this site cannot seem to understand that it does not matter how many battles you win when you pack up and go home you have lost the war !

    Moreover, it does not matter whether the enemy forced you out militarily, by deception, by propaganda or for any other reason.

    Where the Nam was concerned our packing up was most humiliating. The greatest and most powerful military in the world FLED from the top of the embassy building as the NVA and VC rolled into Saigon.

    As one NVA officer said to me years later “it did not matter if the US reentered the war, it did not matter if they increased their troop levels, it did not matter if they increased their bombing, it did not matter if they won every battle, they would still have been forced to leave. It was inevitable from their entry into the war, there for all to see except they did not see it.”

    Even, senior military leaders and politicians in the US war said “it could not be won militarily or politically” which was a nice way of saying the war was LOST.

    Serious men know this, the military amateurs on UNZ know otherwise ! God help us !

    • Agree: FB, Jazman
  199. trickster says:
    @Herald

    You are being very polite when you say BULLSHIT. A123 does not understand the hate Latin Americans feel for the US. He should take a trip through the continent with an American flag tied to his backpack. He also does not speak Spanish or Portuguese and thus has no concept of the culture or even the miriad cultures on the continent.

    When Castro thumbed his nose at the US he gained enormous respect and prestige among Latin Americans and all other nations that were bullied, being bullied or about to be bullied by the US.

    One can vilify and hate him all one wants but this is a fact. Like it or not, like him or not, Chavez and Maduro have now taken up that mantle. The more Maduro middle fingers the US the more he is admired throughout the world. In the Middle East they fucked Quadaffi with a bayonet and Hillary laughed. Does anyone with a logical mind think or believe that other world leaders have not pondered his fate and thought “hmmm, this could happen to me as well”.

    When the US invaded Panama because their asset Noriega, once loved by the US had now become a nuisance because he was not toeing the line, Panamanian folk were abused and their neighbourhoods torched. Does anyone with a logical mind believe the other citizens in all of LAtin America have not taken note. Does anyone believe they will stand by and suffer the same fate at the hand of the US Government and military?

    So the comment about his standing among world leaders being diminished is utter rubbish !

    One call call Maduro a socialist, a dictator, a corrupt cunt but he has a lot of support. That is the reality and A123, as usual, pulls his comments out his snatch without pondering whether they make sense or not.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  200. A123 says:
    @trickster

    Credentials do not automatically translate into accuracy or credibility.

    Lt Colonel Alexander Vindman, served on the line, received a Purple Heart, and blatantly lied in a treasonous attempt to overthrow the Constitution.

    Pentagon briefs always come from an source with credentials. Do you always believe what those U.S. Military credentialed individuals say?
    ____

    Everyone understands that your desperate & frantic whining about ‘credentials’ is a feeble attempt at misdirection. It is painfully obvious that you have lost on the merits and seek a way to avoid admitting your defeat.

    PEACE 😷

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
    , @bluedog
  201. @bluedog

    This is just prove my point that Vietnam had won US in both politically, diplomacy, and military strategies. Vietnam had successfully trolled and the troll contest between Vietnam and China. I don’t deny that China truly help Vietnam in on the Resistance Against US War. This is absolutely true that without China then Vietnam cannot survival. However, the problem here is that China help Vietnam in order to keep only survive North Vietnam, behind the curtain, US and China have many kind of secret deal to each other. This is reason why many Vietnamese right now considered China help on Vietnam like feeding cattle before to be butchered, and the Vietnamese like me only grateful Chinese commoners not Chinese elites (government).

    For example, in January 1974, China navy had successfully seized the Paracel Islands. Hồ Kì Văn Thoại, admiral of SVN naval, saw directly with his own eyes that the US navy was at the Paracel Islands and just let the Chinese navel seized the Paracel Islands.

    Never forget China war crimes in the 1980s:

    1. Funding Polpot against Vietnam.
    2. Funding Mujahideen against Soviet Union.

    What can you guys guarantee that China will not repeat the same mistakes?

    You guys have to understand that what China is doing right is just good for China and its people only not the world. China has absolutely right to become an asshole if being asshole is good for China. What China had done to its people is really good and I truly idol China about this but that does not mean China will do the same thing to other countries like many people here believe.

    I suggest you should listen the conversation between Kevin Barrett and Daniel Estulin, especially the part US and China around the minute 12 or 13:

    https://www.unz.com/audio/kbarrett_daniel-estulin-coronavirus-is-a-debt-liquidation-scam/

  202. Uomiem says:
    @MLK

    I’ll ask you the same think I asked Trumplicker Wally, perhaps you won’t wimp out and give me an answer.

    Why does ZOG suppprts him?

    Another question:
    What is someone who left the Trump train missing?

  203. @JamesinNM

    Not just Venezuela. South Florida is/was home to the right wing elite of Cuba – Jamaica – Brazil – Colombia – Peru – Panama – Honduras etc. Similar stories

  204. Hibernian says:
    @FB

    I’m a veteran and a STEM graduate. I was in intel, and during reserve intel training for the intel analyst MOS, heard a lot of stories from transferees from other intel MOSs about our exploits in Cold War Europe. We’ve had plenty of capability for spying on friendly territory from airspace above friendly territory and/or international waters. Also we have spy ships like the famous Liberty. The problems along the lines you mentioned come from going over the line (Francis Gary Powers and his U-2 overflight of the USSR) or going too close to the line (The Chinese incident you mentioned.) Also, if we’re too cowardly to mount operations we have a right to mount, in airspace or waters we have a right to be in, we’re lost. The Maduro regime is obviously no pushover, but they’re not ten feet tall either.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @FB
  205. @Hibernian

    Maduro got a lot more credit than he deserves simply for opposing the Empire. The only positive thing one can say about him is that he is brave, in contrast to cowardly Morales, who ran away at the first signs of coup. Still, Maduro is an incompetent nobody, certainly not in the league of Castro or Chavez. Yet, due to clumsy American attempts to unseat him he became a symbol and a banner for lots of ordinary Latin Americans. I am sure American aggression shored up his internal support, too. US policy is as stupid as it gets.

    • Agree: Jazman
    • Replies: @Biff
  206. FB says: • Website
    @Hibernian

    Excuse me chief…you ‘heard some stories’ during the cold war, while serving in some undefined capacity…?

    And that is supposed to prove how the US was allegedly able to gather valuable signals intelligence about Venezuela’s armed forces during this tanker episode…?

    It doesn’t sound to me like you actually know much about how this stuff actually works…sigint isn’t my bailliwick either, but I at least do know some basics…

    Yes, ships and even aircraft outside a country’s territorial waters and airspace do in fact attempt to gather sigint and perform various recon missions, with varying degrees of success…

    But I made a very very simple point, which you fail to acknowledge…those kinds of activities are always met with interceptions and escorts from the host country, either in the air or on the water…

    That kind of interception activity is usually reported in the media, we have had no such reports during this entire tanker episode, so we may assume that such events did not occur…and there was thus no intel gathering ‘windfall’ as some clowns here have claimed…

    It was in fact reported that one US merchant ship was shadowing the Iranian tankers, but of course never entered Venezuelan territorial waters…

    Now the information I presented to counter the silly claims made originally, which consisted of a fantastic list of pure nonsense, is completely factual and necessary…

    I have in fact given quite good insight here about a the risks a possible air combat operation would involve [a subject about which I am qualified to speak on]…and in fact pointed to very professional source material from the USAF and other highly credible sources…

    Nobody is saying Maduro is ‘ten feet tall’ and it is not my problem that you come away with such a silly idea…it is a fact that the US could easily launch enough Tomahawks from a safe distance to cause heavy civilian destruction…but that would leave the country’s military capability mostly unscathed…as we saw in Serbia…

  207. @A123

    “Credentials do not automatically translate into … credibility”

    [emphasis mine]

    A subtle attempt at a strawman. True, not “automatically”, but one’s expertise in any given subject, can lend support, if not establish, one’s street cred.

    Think about it! Is it really that unreasonable for others to ask, ‘is he in a position to know?’

    You’ve been asked a very simple question, i.e., what are your bona fides? Having announced your strawman, so far you’ve demurred from answering – which gives all other UR contributors, reason to doubt your credibility – and, hence, anything you might have to say.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
    , @A123
  208. Smith says:
    @FB

    Don’t dish it man, Smith is a cool name. Got it back in highschool.

    @Unorthodox Black Sheep VN

    Hey man, why are you calling me mentally ill for calling chinks chink? As I notice, chinks are increasing becoming THE bad word, worse than nigger or kike, as China influence becomes greater.

    The actual pro-chinks might not be actual chink but their opinion is 100% chink talking point verbatim.

    Anyway, I will answer the question, it’s good to have someone who cares:

    1. I don’t hate Russia, Russia is in fact one of Vietnam’s greatest allies. The issue I have with Russia is because they share a similar attitude with Ukraine that is like China and Vietnam.

    2. I don’t hate the Saker, I just disagree with his view, then again, he’s abrahamic, I’m very wary of abrahamic. His defense of Putin also seems to be overzealous at times.

    3. Nope, my email is not even real. I am pretty young though.

  209. Vojkan says:
    @Patagonia Man

    The only credibility in doubt here is that of those who put on display their (lack of) knowledge of math and physics but keep asking for credentials instead of judging arguments on their own merit.
    As for credentials, I’ve had many professors at university in France who simply didn’t deserve to be there and I come from a country, Serbia, where they love to speak about credentials but only maybe ten percent of all graduates actually deserve their degrees, with the rest being nerds who learnt everything by heart without understanding, copiers who cheated at every exam, moms’ and dads’ sons and daughters, sycophants of whatever political party was ruling at the time they got their diplomas and ‘businessmen’ who bribed professors.
    You know, there are plenty of ‘progressive’ sites out there where you can hang out and where you’ll feel far more comfortable. Intellectually, by ideology and by character, they’re your kin. Priggishness and futility go together.

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  210. Biff says:
    @AnonFromTN

    in contrast to cowardly Morales, who ran away at the first signs of coup.

    Pfft.. Morales was set up to get the “Che treatment” from CIA stooges within days if not hours of his hasty departure. The Bolivians know all about the “Che treatment” because it happened in their house – are you saying you would brave it out and stay for the fireworks?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  211. @Vojkan

    So let’s break it down shall we?

    1. My comment was addressed to @A123 – but you’ve decided to run interference for him? So, you’ve taken responsibility for something which isn’t yours.

    2. When I want your opinion – I’ll ask for it.

    3.

    “The only credibility in doubt here is that of those who put on display their (lack of) knowledge of math and physics”

    … given that I claim minimal expertise in math or physics, I can only assume that that’s an asinine swipe at @FB. If you’ve got a problem with him – take it up with him.

    4.

    “I’ve had many professors at university in France who simply didn’t deserve to be there and …”

    … sorry, but personal anecdotes are not evidence. Worse still, you’re arguing from the particular to the general – ever heard of Laws of Logic?

    5.

    “You know, there are plenty of ‘progressive’ sites out there where you can hang out and where you’ll feel far more comfortable.”

    … I’d say that’s an ad hominem, wouldn’t you?

    6.

    “Intellectually, by ideology and by character, they’re your kin.”

    … and having mistakenly labelled me as “progressive” you offer unsolicited advice?

    7. And finally, you know, I’ve been on this site now for a few months – and cannot recall a single comment of yours that I considered learn-ed – or even interesting. Haha, talk about “futility”.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  212. @A123

    Erm, most US refineries are designed for Venezuelan sour crude. Otherwise, it’s “worthless” as you say.

    • Replies: @A123
  213. A123 says:
    @Patagonia Man

    You’ve been asked a very simple question, i.e., what are your bona fides?

    Are you saying that you accept U.S. credentials? You believe the U.S. Military?

    There are two possibilities:

    -1- If you believe the U.S. Military — You would not be siding with Russian equipment fanboy FB The Militarily Ignorant Troll.
    -2- If you do not believe the U.S. Military — The production of U.S. Military credentials will not change your mind.

    Which is it -1- or -2-?
    ______

    You obviously lost on the merits of the case. Because you cannot attack the TRUTH, you are trying to create a diversion by demanding something irrelevant.

    Everyone sees through your feeble attempt to distract from the TRUTH. This is why no one at UR will ever believe you.

    PEACE 😷

    • Replies: @bluedog
  214. A123 says:
    @Plato's Dream

    Erm, most US refineries are designed for Venezuelan sour crude. Otherwise, it’s “worthless” as you say.

    In the interests of being concise, I was less than precise.

    The value of Venezuelan sour crude is related to the world price for oil. It trades at a significant discount to WTI due to the additional costs of desulphuring. And, it incurs additional shipping cost to transport it to a U.S. refinery. Higher quality, lower sulphur oil from fracked shale operations has effectively eliminated U.S. demand for Venezuelan crude.

    Given the current market stand off between Russia, the U.S., and OPEC — It is likely that WTI will stay below $50/bbl for the foreseeable future. With oil prices at these levels and fields damaged by decades of PDVSA mismanagement, Venezuela will turn little profit selling oil on world markets.

    Invading Venezuela to “capture oil” is an absurd scenario. The U.S. is unwilling to foot the bill to rebuild infrastructure damaged by Socialist rule.

    PEACE 😷

  215. @Smith

    Answers of question 1-3 is really make sense to me, thank you for solving the puzzle. However, I have to give you feedbacks on the Ukraine. Ukraine is in fact an artificial country more than a historical country. Ukraine ‘history’ is like this below:

    I truly cannot understand what make you think Russia and Ukraine is same to China and Vietnam. Ukraine is completely different to Vietnam in many way especially right now. I actually don’t what Russia is doing to Ukraine is same to what China is doing to Vietnam, all I see right is Ukraine right now is a fallen country with bunch of Bandera followers with the What The Fuck individual like former Georgian president (eating tie man and trying to hide from imagine Russian fighting jet) Mikheil Saakashvili, former chocolate oligarchy Petro Poroshenko, and former comedian Volodymyr Zelensky (puppet of Igor Kolomoisky). Unless you actually live in Ukraine right now so you can explain how Russia treat Ukraine is same to how China treat Vietnam, if you are not then I suggest you should shut up about the Russia-Ukraine matter because I am 100% sure to says that you know nothing about Ukraine especially from your previous Ukraine comment.

    Ok, so I should not call you mental illness, I think I should say that you have anger issue with China. Based from what I observe on the pro-China here, the people here have some kind of Anti-Imperialism China Stereotype is just China Is Complete Pure like Virgin Mary, Powerful like Jade Emperor. I think many mainland Chinese will disagree with what people here believe about China. You can review the comment from a mainland Chinese here and I think you find out something you will agree with the person especially the part “China is legalism” and the pro-China here like “antibeast” and “denk” don’t believe the person is mainland Chinese because he just speak something that does not fit their believe. The mainland Chinese “R.C” comment here below:

    https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=R.C

  216. @Biff

    That was not Morales’ first day in office. He should have prepared for the coup attempt by compradores, including having his personal guard numerous enough to fight. He should have also cleaned up the military, like Chavez did. He had years to do that and didn’t. Finally, when you call yourself president, you take on certain obligations. One of them is to put your country above your person. I am not talking about figureheads, like in the US, I am talking about real presidents. Say, Chilean Allende screwed up big time, but he died a martyr, forcing the coup leaders to show their true colors by committing an obvious crime. Morales did not prepare and then simply ran away, abandoning his country to the US-backed scum.

  217. @A123

    The U.S. is unwilling to foot the bill to rebuild infrastructure damaged by Socialist rule.

    But it is perfectly willing to steal ~$10 billion of Venezuela money? How high-minded!

    • Replies: @A123
  218. Jiminy says:
    @A123

    I think 123 is right in saying that the yanks would not invade Venezuela. But that doesn’t stop them from tightening the screws with severe sanctions in the hope of causing hardship, tensions, and rioting similar to what is happening now in gods greatest country. And by promoting rioting and unrest, regime change follows allowing the US puppet to take his place. He will then do a sweetheart deal with the US oil companies, investments flow back in as well as stolen Venezuelan wealth. Rundown assets receive previously sanctioned investment funding, and the US now has a guaranteed supply of cheap crude. Everyone’s happy. Until the people rise up and topple the puppet government. And then the whole thing starts over again.

  219. Vojkan says:
    @Patagonia Man

    Oh, it looks like I struck a chord.
    1) I don’t need your authorisation to state my opinion. If you don’t want to read it, Unz provides a handy button to hide posts from commenters you dislike. FB is already on my hide list and you and a couple of your pals who I’d swear are one person writing under different pseudos are going there too. I’m tired of having to browse through the inane ramblings of frustrated dorks only capable of personal attacks.
    2) You just said a lot about yourself but you’d have to be much cleverer than you are to realise it.
    3) Don’t bother answering me, you are henceforth on my hide list.

    • Replies: @FB
  220. A123 says:
    @AnonFromTN

    But it is perfectly willing to steal ~$10 billion of Venezuela money? How high-minded!

    How much did Venezuela steal from U.S. firms via nationalization (1974)? How high-minded!

    What goes around comes around.

    PEACE 😷

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  221. @A123

    Higher quality, lower sulphur oil from fracked shale operations has effectively eliminated U.S. demand for Venezuelan crude.

    Are you being less precise in the interest of being more concise yet again?

    Sometime in March of 2019, US ceased all crude imports from Venezuela which, until then, averaged some 500k barrels a day.

    Source:
    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/21/business/venezuela-oil-imports-united-states/index.html

    Here is an interesting quote from the above link:

    “I suspect it will stay at zero. It’s a big problem for US refiners,” said Ryan Fitzmaurice, energy strategist at Rabobank. “We really do need that heavy crude that comes from Venezuela. We’re finding it difficult to source it from elsewhere.”

    But, while reducing imports from Venezuela down to zero, US curiously increased its imports of crude from Russia (wink, wink) from 6.2 milion barrels a month in March 2019 to more than 21 milion barrels a month in December of 2019.

    Talking about “finding other sources” to substitute Venezuelan crude.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @A123
  222. Vojkan says:
    @A123

    How did U.S. firms get into Venezuela? Nationalising can indeed be stealing. It was stealing in Eastern Europe after WWII. In the case of Venezuela, it wasn’t stealing. It was giving back to the Venezuelan people what foreigners took from them by force and corruption. The whole world knows how Americans organised coups in Latin America to put in power vassals and how those vassals toed the American line and mistreated local populations.
    Whatever one thinks of socialism in general or Maduro in particular, what the U.S. has done in Latin America and is still doing today is morally disgusting, its military, economic or political capacity to achieve its goals notwithstanding.

    • Replies: @A123
  223. FB says: • Website
    @Vojkan

    FB is already on my hide list…

    Translation…I’m hiding from FB, ever since he dismantled my raggedy ass when I stuck my knowledge-less nose where it didn’t belong…😁

    • Agree: Jazman
    • LOL: Vojkan
  224. FB says: • Website
    @Simpleguest

    Thanks…

    I see that ANUS123 is not limiting himself to sputtering nonsense ONLY about military matters about which he doesn’t have the first clue…but also now about important technicalities relating to oil and refining…

    Why is anyone not surprised…?

  225. A123 says:
    @Vojkan

    I used an exact parallel to deflate AnonFromTN’s extremism. You are over interpreting what was intended as a simple message.

    No one denies that there have been abuses in Latin America. However, the U.S. is not the only offender, or even the worst. Both sides of the Cold War used proxies in the region. The U.S. did not mistreat Cubans by forcing them to live in collapsing buildings on less than $20/mo. The USSR supported Castro regime did that.

    As long as Maduro is a threat to the region, containment of that threat is necessary and justified. There is no push for immediate regime change. Guaido supporters hired a handful of mercenaries for a very foolish effort. The U.S. administration was not involved.

    PEACE 😷

    • Replies: @antibeast
  226. Vojkan says:
    @FB

    If you’re not Serb, you should apply for Serbian nationality. You have all the character traits.

  227. A123 says:
    @Simpleguest

    The global hydrocarbon industry and markets are extremely complex. Some simplification is necessary to avoid being bogged down in minutiae. Such conversations could easily degrade to, “How many nits would a nit picker pick if a nitpicker could pick nits.”

    As long as oil prices remain low, Venezuelan sour crude has exceedingly limited value. And, it looks like oil prices will remain low for quite some time.

    PEACE 😷

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  228. @A123

    Guaido supporters hired a handful of mercenaries for a very foolish effort. The U.S. administration was not involved.

    If you sincerely believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.

    BTW, who appointed that piece of guano? Certainly not the people of Venezuela.

    As long as Maduro is a threat to the region

    Now, that’s as true as the statement that the Earth is flat. Even DEA stats show that ~94% of drugs from South America go through Western Corridor, i.e., through our “friends” Colombia, Peru, and Ecuador. A big chunk out of the remaining 6% moved to the US via Caribbean goes via the easternmost province of our “friend” Colombia.

    Imperial propaganda would benefit by hiring smarter propagandists. It takes more brains to push blatant lies than to tell the truth.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
    • LOL: A123
  229. Jazman says:
    @FB

    So far what I have seen you have 100 % score vs people who challenge you

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  230. Santa says:

    In an odd way, by having Navy ships there, the US is controlling the situation. Trump may be protecting the tankers, so nothing worse will happen. Just a twist in thought this is and probably wrong.

  231. antibeast says:
    @trickster

    You are being very polite when you say BULLSHIT. A123 does not understand the hate Latin Americans feel for the US. He should take a trip through the continent with an American flag tied to his backpack. He also does not speak Spanish or Portuguese and thus has no concept of the culture or even the myriad cultures on the continent.

    I can vouch for this fact because Latin Americans — regardless of race, class, culture, ethnicity, religion, language, ideology — have a visceral hatred of the USA at the metaphysical level. The mere existence of stupid gringos who think they’re “Americans” is offensive to the world of the Latin America.

  232. antibeast says:
    @A123

    As long as Maduro is a threat to the region, containment of that threat is necessary and justified. There is no push for immediate regime change. Guaido supporters hired a handful of mercenaries for a very foolish effort. The U.S. administration was not involved.

    That’s the classic Trump Touch. Everything he touches turn into a pile of shit.

  233. @FB

    If you’re on his hide list how come he sees your comments to LOL and Reply to?

    • Replies: @Vojkan
    , @FB
  234. @Jazman

    I agree – when it comes to technical matters. But when it comes to opinions – well they’re just opinions and everyone is entitled to their own even if you disagree with them. He could mind his manners though.

  235. Vojkan says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Well, Unz.com sends me an email with the full text of the post when someone replies to a comment I made, even when it is someone I have put on my ignore list. That said, for my part, if it is brought to my knowledge that I am on someone’s ignore list, I don’t reply to that person’s comments.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  236. @Vojkan

    Thanks for clarifying. I don’t use the IGNORE option so don’t know how it works. It’s easy enough to scroll through any comment one wishes to ignore.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  237. FB says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    Well…I don’t use the ‘hide’ feature…

    I think it’s just silly…why would you want to be so weakminded that you need to hide from mere words…and on the internet at that…?

    Most people have an interest in technical matters relating to such things as military history…missiles, aircraft etc…the fact is that our absolutely retarded popsci media has zero clue about these things…

    They not only are unable to explain the true nature of these things, how the hardware actually works…how certain conflicts actually played out etc…but only make things even more confused…

    At the same time, certain special interests actually try to spread wrong information on purpose…for instance the corrupt armaments industry that wants to push fake narratives for their own interests…

    The entire ‘stealth’ aircraft thing for example can be filed under the ‘fake news’ rubric…but it’s important for giant armaments contractors to have people believe in this fairy tale because they make many billions from it…

    So just as a timely example of how the information is being manipulated…we have had in the last few days a quite significant event…the successful flight of the Crew Dragon spacecraft to the ISS…the first US human spacecraft in nearly a decade…

    Now, unfortunately other events have overshadowed this…but here’s one aspect of this story that is interesting…some of the so called space journalists have asked a quite obvious question about the SpaceX ship…where’s the toilet…?

    SpaceX isn’t saying…and here’s the scoop …there is no toilet on this ship…

    This is the level of bullshit we are subjected to…because we’re all supposed to swoon at this miracle of ‘private’ spaceflight [which is really paid for by Nasa, ie the taxpayer]…

    So let’s not ask the highly embarrassing question of why after years of waiting and billions of dollars…THERE IS NO FUCKING TOILET…

    And because SpaceX is a private company they don’t figure they need to answer…Nasa would have had to answer…

    Btw, a few years ago Nasa paid the Russians about 20 million, if memory serves, to build a toilet for the US section of the space station…

    So why pay American engineers to develop space technology right…?

    A lot of very important issues and hard questions that *should* be discussed…but never are…because the powerful people want us to simply clap our hands when they turn on the applause button…

    So yeah…you can say I’m not so gentle with various peabrains here that have a head full of popsci media bullshit but still want to argue like they actually know something…

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Malla
  238. Vojkan says:
    @Commentator Mike

    It’s easy enough to miss an interesting comment while scrolling on an iPad through the logorrhoea of people who come to Unz to relieve themselves.
    I am respectful of different opinions. Not a single one of the Israel-first fake conservatives who post here is on my ignore list. I dislike them but they are entitled to their opinion and their posts are usually of reasonable length. It even happens that I agree with posts by people whose opinions I don’t share on most of matters. However, when it comes to people who post interminable essays to big themselves up because they believe they’re God’s gift to the Mankind but stupid mortals fail to recognise it, or sycophants or people whose posts consist mostly of fallacies for the purpose of demeaning other commenters and their opinions, I am grateful to Unz for providing the ‘ignore this commenter’ feature. For my part, I won’t feel upset if I learn that I am on someone’s hide list, I will simply not try to interact with the person.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  239. Get back to lecture us when Putin stop Israel of abusing the palestinian,he can do it ,he dont doit,he is coward .

  240. @Vojkan

    Some of the more vitriolic exchanges between experts here remind me of an international conference I once attended in the US with 2,000 delegates. The world’s senior authority on the subject was giving his presentation, and while displaying a statistical graph, some other old prof half-way down the aisle started heckling and using ad hominem because he disagreed with some minor point in the graph. He then got up and started charging towards the podium, and I though he was going to get up and thump the other prof, but some delegates jumped up and restrained him and dragged him back to his seat. Both were white Americans and not Indians or Pakistanis.

    When something is so obvious to you but some other guy can’t see it, it can become exasperating. I’ve been less than generous in my youth in such disputes and may have even told a few profs “you f…..g idiot” during seminars and conferences, as well as made quite offensive, but not as offensive as that, remarks in discussions published in learned journals. So on the Internet I would expect some of these experts to pull out all the stops. Yes it can be annoying when someone goes ballistic but hey, this is a free expression site.

    • Replies: @A123
  241. bluedog says:
    @Vojkan

    Lol got ya didn’t I for you have no expertise in any of those areas that you blather about,with you its just all smoke and mirrors with nothing to back up your post except bullshit.!!!!

  242. bluedog says:
    @A123

    And the troll has spoken with its moronic nonsense,you add nothing to the conversation for if a person has no expertise in the field he’s commenting on, then he really ought to keep his mouth shut rather then being taken for a [email protected]!!!

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
  243. bluedog says:
    @A123

    Your like shit your all over no one is asking for military credentials the question was the posters expertise which it seems he lacks, for he refuses to state them going off into out space with his answers,!!! Oh and by the way don’t be speaking for other’s for it only makes a fool of yourself,which I presume is very easy to do.!!!

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
  244. A123 says:
    @Commentator Mike

    The problem is that certain low-IQ posters attempt to bully their intellectual superiors into silence to suppress accurate information. FB the Militarily Ignorant Troll is a perfect example of this phenomenon.

    — He was unaware that mid-air refueling can be used to extend aircraft range, despite this technology being decades old.
    — He believes Tomahawk cruise missile cannot be used against AA assets. How he came to the conclusion that warheads will bounce off of billboard radar and missile launchers is unfathomable.
    — He does not understand that they purpose of stealth technology is to deny the enemy an engagement opportunity. Obtaining a weak return for a few seconds is not enough time to counter strike.
    — He is confused about current technology. The S300 when originally released was a huge threat. However, it is now well understood and can usually be countered by the current block of F16’s. This would not be causality free, but losses to neutralize an AA force including multiple S300’s could be kept low enough to be acceptable.
    — He insists on irrelevant technology scenarios. The UK had to use surface vessels in the Falklands. The range between the U.S.-Venezuela is much shorter than UK-Falklands.
    — He does not grasp the concepts of inventory on hand, system readiness, and replacement logistics. Venezuela has a very limited supply of planes and AA munitions. Once consumed, resupply is thousands of miles away in Russia and that resupply can be restricted or fully blocked.
    — He only considers scenarios most favorable to his desired outcome, where the enemy is 100% stupid. The U.S. would not have to use a maximum loss, head-to-head strategy. The U.S. could use a logistics driven strategy, slowly bleeding Venezuela by forcing them to burn resources they can neither maintain nor replace.

    If FB the Militarily Ignorant Troll was capable of civilized discourse any of these points could be examined. However, FB the Troll and his brain dead acolyte Trickster the Troll do not have the intellect or the temperament for civilized behaviour. I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt. However, their bullying abusive nature and childish name calling angered me to an inappropriate response. Thus, I added them to my blocked commenter list to avoid their low-IQ provocations.

    It is obvious these Trolls have nothing to offer. I would help them if I could, but they are so incompetent and arrogant that there is nothing I can do, so I block them. Bottom line….

    I Pity Them

    PEACE 😷

    • Thanks: Vojkan
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @bluedog
    , @FB
  245. @A123

    I don’t doubt that anyone would think that the US couldn’t overwhelm Venezuela’s defences if it wanted to, but the Venezuelans could inflict significant loses on the US forces, using what they’ve already got, to make it unpalatable for the US public and politicians. That’s what I would have concluded from FB’s assertions. Once on the ground, what scenario would follow is hard to tell. Perhaps a guerrilla war could inflict further casualties and get the US bogged down in an unpopular and costly war. Or the country could descend into the chaos of a civil war. Or the resistance could just fold over and a pseudo-democratic pro-US government would be installed.

    RE cruise missiles. Look at those 100 cruise missiles that Trump fired at Syria. How many even reached their target and those that did what did they achieve? I know some will say it was all just symbolic and not intended to do much damage so as not to anger Russia but still, that was a poor show for 100 cruise missiles. That would imply that the US would not be able to achieve any more what it did with its Shock and Awe cruise missile volleys on Iraq in 2003. Judging as a layperson, from that display in Syria that’s what I would have to conclude, and also that any such attack on Venezuela would also be equally ineffective. I can’t keep track of everything or be bothered to look it up, but there was a second cruise missile volley at Syria by the US, and that too was almost completely useless. On the other hand, Iranian missile strikes, and even those low cost DIY’d guided missiles fired by Yemen weren’t all too bad, considering their low level technological development compared to the US military and how few they fired off.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
    , @A123
  246. Vojkan says:

    One doesn’t have to be an admirer of U.S. accomplishments to recognise that a nation cannot achieve superpower status with an incompetent military sporting useless weapons designed by half-witted engineers.

  247. Vojkan says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Caracas is an easier target than Damascus. Syrian airspace is monitored by Russians. Venezuelan airspace isn’t. Russia has the capacity to jam satellite communications. Venezuela hasn’t. The strike against Syria had no military purpose, it was pure PR. A strike against Venezuela would likely be far more effective. In short, Syria and Venezuela are two completely different matters and parameters that apply to Syria don’t apply to Venezuela. Moreover, just as the US won’t risk a war with Russia over Syria, I very much doubt Russia would risk a war with the US over Venezuela.
    That would be if the US planned to invade Venezuela, and notwithstanding the rhetoric, which is fair game in situations like this, nothing indicates that it does. More likely, the Americans are looking for someone with a little more credibility than Guaido to do their bidding.

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  248. A123 says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I don’t doubt that anyone would think that the US couldn’t overwhelm Venezuela’s defences if it wanted to. That’s what I would have concluded from FB’s assertions.

    FB the Troll clearly asserted that Venezuela would defeat the U.S in an air war. He claims that the Venezuelan AA system is totally invulnerable to attack by U.S. Forces. That is obviously deranged, but it is FB the Troll’s ignorant position.

    the Venezuelans could inflict significant loses on the US forces, using what they’ve already got, to make it unpalatable for the US public and politicians.

    Venezuelan air defenses are technically incapable of engaging the F-35 or the B-2. A “no loss” scenario is unlikely, but so is a “significant loss” scenario given that the U.S. has systems that can freely strike Venezuelan targets.

    It is hard to see how Venezuela creates “unpalatable losses” without doing something truly reckless and futile, such as attacking Puerto Rico.

    Once on the ground, …

    You miss a critical point.

    — There is no ground war…
    — The Trump administration will not engage in a ground war…
    — No one in the U.S. wants any of the broken assets on the ground…

    After seeing the reconstruction price tag for Iraq, all ground scenarios are inconceivable. Trump will not put U.S. blood & treasure at risk to obtain valueless dirt and catastrophically damaged infrastructure.

    RE cruise missiles. Look at those 100 cruise missiles that Trump fired at Syria. How many even reached their target and those that did what did they achieve? I know some will say it was all just symbolic and not intended to do much damage so as not to anger Russia but still, that was a poor show for 100 cruise missiles.

    Intended to deflate Iran, not anger Russia.

    The U.S. announced where and essentially when it was going to strike. And, the U.S. achieved 100% devastation of the target facility against maximum Iranian/Syrian readiness.

    Part of any comprehensive plan is controlling the use of enemy countermeasures. Did the U.S. fire weapons at high value targets such as Iranian troops at airports. Yes. Did it expect them to hit. No. Obviously, the U.S. would have taken the lucky win if one got through. However, the point of placing live shots into nearby areas was to force AA to defend higher value assets instead of the actual targets.

    poor show for 100 cruise missiles. That would imply that the US would not be able to achieve any more what it did with its Shock and Awe cruise missile volleys on Iraq in 2003. Judging as a layperson, from that display in Syria that’s what I would have to conclude, and also that any such attack on Venezuela would also be equally ineffective.

    Using cruise missiles at a pre announced time and place certainly limited the total output for weapons sent. As a one-off to show Iranian helplessness, at some level it made sense. This was a decidedly abnormal pattern and the worst case scenario for total yield, which you are mistakenly describing as ineffectiveness.

    As we saw from Trump’s tanker bluff, the U.S. is capable of making Maduro jump at shadows. With time on his side Trump would pick a time of minimum Venezuelan readiness to attack, and thus achieve much better yield & effectiveness.

    PEACE 😷

    • Troll: bluedog
  249. @Vojkan

    Americans are looking for someone with a little more credibility than Guaido to do their bidding.

    My right shoe has more credibility than that guano or the Empire. But it won’t do imperial bidding.

    • Agree: Jazman
    • Replies: @A123
  250. A123 says:
    @AnonFromTN

    My right shoe has more credibility than that guano…

    Yes. Unlike Venezuela, your right shoe has not been brutalized by decades of Socialist Utopian rule.

    At this point no leader, not even Guaido, could make Venezuela worthy of a place in the civilization of Christiandom. It will take decades of decontamination and recovery for that to happen. At this point, all that civilized nations want from the hellscape that is Venezuela:

    — Eliminating money laundering for true agents of Satan such as Ayatollah Khameni.
    — Stopping threats to neighboring nations and the region.

    The nations that serve God would be happy to leave Venezuela alone if it it would stop following Allah/Satan. Accepting Christ comes much later.

    PEACE 😷

  251. @A123

    FB the Troll clearly asserted that Venezuela would defeat the U.S in an air war.

    I don’t quite remember it like that. I thought that he wrote that even after three months of bombing the US would not be able to take out most of Venezuela’s AA systems, as he was drawing an analogy with NATO’s air war on rump Yugoslavia. Whether that constitutes a win or a defeat in the air war I don’t know. Of course whatever else US would destroy was not the point of the discussion.

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  252. A123 says:
    @Commentator Mike

    You are giving FB the Military Ignorant Troll far too much credit. Presumably you are interpreting what he should have said, not what he actually wrote.

    The question under discussion was, “Could the U.S. use air power to CONTAIN Venezuelan aggression?”

    FB the Military Ignorant Troll unequivocally:
    — Lied — Stealth aircraft F22, F35, B2 are easy targets for the VAF.
    — Lied Again — Tomahawks are 100% incapable of damaging Venezuelan AA systems.
    — And, Lied Again — Venezuela could easily defeat the U.S. in an air war.

    In the highly unlikely possibility FB the Military Ignorant Troll‘s obviously limited intellect was capable of a more nuanced position, it was completely lost in his irrational hate filled lying, personal abuse, and vile Trolling.

    There is nothing that you, I, or any one else can do to help FB the Military Ignorant Troll until he shows contrition for his outrageous, uncivilized behaviour.

    PEACE 😷

  253. Jiminy says:

    Whats strange about the Saudi oil facility being struck by missiles is that the evidence of the route taken by the weapons was never released. Supposedly the gps control system of the missiles was to be analysed, but the information was never made public as far as I know. Also a favourite trick with the Russians is to jam gps, which they can do as they rely on their own version of satellite positioning. So obviously anything relying on gps data will not work as designed. Meaning passenger jets to missiles.

    • Replies: @A123
  254. A123 says:
    @Jiminy

    The surprise attack used Iranian drones with the ability to be controlled locally.

    A number of theories posit that there was a local control team on the ground near the refinery that took manual control of the drones and guided them to the targets visually. This is consistent with:

    — Initial strikes at the highest value targets while artificial light was available.
    — Subsequent strikes at the lower value “onion” shaped tanks that would be easiest to spot in moonlight after electrical lighting was knocked off line. Additionally, the hits were at a similar visual maximum “hot spot” on all of the “onion” tanks.

    That implies that this type of strike can readily be countered (in whole or in part) by interfering with the frequencies needed for final local control & targeting. It is a dangerous weapons capability that needs to be planned for, but it is not immediately the “game changer” that the shill posters for Ayatollah Khameni claim.

    Long term the problems become worse. A much more complex and expensive, fully electronic, optical self-guiding capability is within the state-of-the-art. It is much harder than my one liner sounds, but Iran could develop this in a decade or less.

    PEACE 😷

  255. bluedog says:
    @A123

    Hell your making up a lot of bullshit throwing it at the wall to see what you can make stick and what you can’t, your a freaking troll and nothing else,Your a low paid troll talking shit you don’t know anything about.no wonder FB get fed up and calls you an asshole,which really insults the asshole for at least they are good for something,and yes you have been called out many times for talking shit and being a troll, talking about things you have no knowledge of,just things you have picked up from your betters to make yourself feel important……

    • Replies: @Jazman
  256. FB says: • Website
    @A123

    Look you mindless little GRUB…

    You have been throwing a lot of complete bullshit my way, all of which is totally made up…

    He was unaware that mid-air refueling can be used to extend aircraft range, despite this technology being decades old.

    Now look you hysterical little pussy…I don’t care if you squirt all the diarrhea you want about your love for the criminal squatter state of Israel, or your ass-kissing of the Orange Oaf, or even your ugly hatred against the Iranian people…

    But when you start making completely false statements about things which I supposedly said, but never did…and utter nonsense about how military operations and air combat work, then I consider it worthwhile to step in and present facts here, which the participants find useful and helpful…

    Now I pointed out quite correctly that a US attack on Venezuela would be executed by the US Navy, most likely launching Tomahawk cruise missiles from a safe standoff range, where these ships would not be in danger from the Venezuelan air force and its Russian Sukhoi Su30 ‘Flanker’ fighter jets equipped with supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles…

    I also pointed out that an air attack involving carrier aircraft like the FA18 Hornets would be risky, considering the Venezuelan Flankers’ air to air capability…plus the presence of Venezuelan S300 surface to air missiles [SAMs]…

    You then came back with the retarded notion that the US would send fighter aircraft from the US or from Puerto Rico…I pointed out the flight distance involved was too great…[not to mention that the ONLY air base in Puerto Rico Ramey, closed years ago…]

    Yes, that is how completely clueless you are…yet you don’t mind insulting everyone’s intelligence here by continuing to make a lot of noise of this kind…

    I also pointed out some facts of life about refueling, which btw is handled by the Air Mobility Command the branch of the USAF that operates the air refueling tanker fleet…

    Number one is the issue that these large, slow-moving aircraft would not be able to operate near Venezuela due to the threat from the long range SAMs, which is over 200 kilometers and up to 400 kilometers…that’s more than 200 nautical miles…

    Additionally, the Venezuelan Flankers could threaten these tankers with their long range air to air missiles, so these USAF tankers would need to keep a safe distance away…which would put them hundreds of kilometers from Venezuelan shores…

    So it’s not as simple as just saying ‘air refueling’…real life and real air combat operations don’t work like some etch-a-sketch fantasy by preschoolers like you…

    There is also the pilot to consider…you’re not going to take a man and send him on a combat mission that is hundreds of miles away and requires air refueling at least twice [once going, once coming], which means SEVERAL HOURS IN THE COCKPIT AT A TIME…

    And you’re going to do this day after day…for several months…?…[we note that the air campaign against Serbia lasted nearly three months and didn’t result in the neutralization of Serbia’s ancient and much less capable 1950s era Soviet SAMs…]

    I’m sorry dingbat, but when you INSIST over and over again to push this nonsense, then I have no choice but to consider that participants here need to know some of the facts about how these things actually work…

    And all of that is not to even mention that the kind of aircraft that the USAF would send from the mainland US would not have any additional capability than what Navy Hornets and Super Hornets would bring to such an operation…

    You cited the F22 Raptor as a specific example to go after the S300, but this airplane is NOT designed for the SEAD role [suppression of enemy air defenses]…it is an air to air platform that does not even carry anti-radar missiles used to attack enemy air defense systems…

    Which brings us to this nonsense…

    He believes Tomahawk cruise missile cannot be used against AA assets.

    How he came to the conclusion that warheads will bounce off of billboard radar and missile launchers is unfathomable.

    No…what’s unfathomable is how a twinkie like you who knows not even the very first thing about Tomahawk cruise missiles and what they are used for, can come on here and squirt complete nonsense…

    The Tomahawk is unable to hit a MOVING target…not even a slow moving and very large moving target like a ship…in fact they are working on that capability and the new targeting system, which involves a is supposed to appear only next year [barring any usual delays]…

    U.S. Navy Anti-Ship Tomahawk Set for Surface Ships, Subs Starting in 2021

    Now you may not know what a WHEEL is…but ALL modern air defense systems like the S300s that Venezuela would use to protect its airspace are equipped with WHEELS…

    That means they can MOVE from one place to another…just like a ship can move from one place to another…and which the T-hawk is unable to hit…

    And I will explain why…the T-Hawk is programmed before launch with a specific GROUND TARGET location…this is a latitude and longitude coordinate of a SPECIFIC target…this is very similar to how a passenger jet flight crew will enter the destination program and the flight route into the flight computer…

    Once that T-hawk is launched it can only fly to that location that it was programmed to go to…it is impossible to try to target a truck carrying an air defense missile, or an air defense radar for the simple reason that it will not stay in the SAME LOCATION…

    Yes, folks, this is the level of this little turd’s understanding of very basic concepts in air combat…but he doesn’t mind coming out here and plastering the place with his bullshit noises…

    The simple fact is that a tomahawk has NEVER been fired at a SAM system and never will…

    [If any of the participants here are interested in technical details about how the guidance of a Tomahawk missile works in more detail I will be happy to expand on that…]

    He is confused about current technology. The S300 when originally released was a huge threat. However, it is now well understood and can usually be countered by the current block of F16’s.

    Israeli F16 downed by Syrian S200, January 2018…

    Tail and canopy of then-Lt Col Goldfein’s F-16CG shot down during the Operation Allied Force at the Museum of Aviation, Belgrade

    General David L. Goldfein is the current Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force…

    I have already mentioned this before, but the fact is that it’s not the attacking airplane that is the issue, but the missiles used to attack air defense systems like the S300…

    These are anti-radiation missiles, like AGM88 manufactured by Northrop Grumman…and carried by F16s as well as Navy Hornets as seen here on a carrier deck…

    These are the ONLY kind of weapon currently available that has any chance at all of hitting the MOBILE [meaning with WHEELS] air defense radars and knocking out the S300 and other mobile SAMs…

    The problem comes when you consider the range of the AGM88 missile, which is only about 100 km…a maximum published figure of 150 km is given, but this would be from a high-altitude, high-speed launch with the launching aircraft almost certainly in supersonic, full afterburner mode [which would of course use up a lot of fuel, which would necessitate tankers and all of that, but let’s leave that aside for now…]

    The S300 that they would be trying to hit has a range of up to 400 km …so how is that F16 or Hornet trying to fire that AGM88 at the S300 going to close enough without first being plunked out of the air…?

    That is of course the big difficult question…and is the question that top generals in the USAF have been struggling with…

    We have the tools, but we do not have nearly enough of them—and the speed that we would need to eliminate these A2/AD bubbles…

    –Retired U.S Air Force Gen. Philip Breedlove, former commander of U.S. European Command…

    Breedlove goes on to state something that is well known in professional air combat circles…

    But air power might not be enough. Breedlove suggests that U.S. ground forces should play a role in taking on the Russian A2/AD threat.

    ‘We need more long-range, survivable, precision strike capability from the ground,’ Breedlove said. ‘We need dense capability—like the dense A2/AD networks that we face.’

    Which is why the US is now developing a truck-launched hypersonic weapon similar to the Russian Iskander, the CHGB [common hypersonic glide body]…which I have written about previously and which I will explore technically in depth at some point…

    So look folks, I am only trying to give the participants here some decent, professional-level information…and it is not helpful when a little yipping chihuahua like ANUS123 keeps throwing up useless nonsense…

    The S300 that was around 20 years ago, is NOT the S300 that is in use today…the radars have been evolved…the missiles have been evolved, etc…

    But the ‘tools’ that the US would use against them, namely the AGM88 anti-radar missile, has NOT evolved…it is really the exact same thing as was used 20 years ago against Serbia, and which was not able to do very much at all…just three hits on the ancient and very small SA6 mobile SAM system, as I already noted…

    NATO expended a total of 743 AGM-88 HARM anti-radiation missile rounds, launched by EA-6B Prowlers, F-16CJ Weasels and Tornado ECRs, and managed to take out JUST THREE SA6 SAMs…

    Now I have discussed some of these issues in depth at various times, and am always willing to help clear up questions that folks may have about these past conflicts, the hardware involved etc…

    The bottom line as I said is this…the US could launch a volley of Tomahawk missiles at civilian targets, but it would not result in any degradation of Venezuelan military capability and would have zero effect on their air defense capability…

    To try to degrade that air defense capability would be a very big and risky job, involving attacking US FA18 Hornets and Super Hornets from several massed carrier groups…there would be lost aircraft and pilots, and the destruction of Venezuela’s S300s and its Sukhoi Su30 fighter jets could certainly not be assured…

    I have reviewed the last time the US launched an air campaign of this type, which was against Serbia in 1999…I have pointed to high level professional information from the USAF and other professionals…the lesson is clear, this type of operation is not easy and involves serious risks…

    It is doubtful that the US will therefore try to attack Venezuela’s capable defenses head on…more likely, it will simply try to continue to strangle this country with its Sanctions and other methods that are really akin to piracy…at the most, it will launch a lot of Tomahawks from US warships from asafe distance that would involve little risk…

    Although even that might result in Venezuela scrambling its Flankers [which do carry a lot of fuel and have more than twice the combat radius of US fighters] and possibly taking some shots at US ships with those deadly Kh15 antiship missiles…so even that is not totally risk free…

    • Agree: Jazman
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  257. Jazman says:
    @bluedog

    This guy A123 reminds me of Leroy from Breakdefense blog. What a brainwashed plankton

    • Replies: @A123
  258. A123 says:
    @Jazman

    Jazman,

    Another person to add to the low-IQ, blocked commenter list. Thank you for self identifying as a mouth breathing retarded Troll.

    FYI: Bluedog the Incompetent Troll went on by block list a long time ago.

    PEACE 😷

  259. @FB

    So US promotes the loser guy who was shot down to the top post and Serbia demotes the winner guy who shot him down to what? A baker or something? Damn!

    • Replies: @FB
  260. @A123

    Using cruise missiles at a pre announced time and place certainly limited the total output for weapons sent.

    One would announce the targets just to make sure that there weren’t idiots on the opposing side who need the announcement so as to evacuate, as I suppose those at Ayn al-Asad airbase needed, without even the useless Patriots in place, or their radar to give them some warning, if not cover. Any military worth its mettle, including one on the defensive, would know what the targets would be. Unless of course one went for carpet bombing to wipe out all sorts of targets including civilian residential areas, in which case it wouldn’t make any difference any which way.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @A123
  261. FB says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    Yup…this is the way to the top in the US…being good at failing…

    The late Col Everest Riccioni, one of the most respected USAF test pilots of recent generations, described how Goldfein was doing something ‘other than’ he was supposed to be doing when he was shot down…

    You see, the Serb air defenses were effective enough that anyone making a small mistake, or deviating from the plan and the ‘safe’ flight paths would stand a very good chance of getting clobbered…

    This is not understood by the general public at all, but is thoroughly appreciated by the air combat professional community [and not just in the US]…

    What the Serbs did with those ancient Soviet SAMs which had just a fraction of the range and capability of today’s S300 or S400 was pretty darned impressive…the credible threat of the SAMs forced slow-moving, high value targets like airborne Early Warning aircraft [sometimes called AWACS, which provide powerful radar picture to all fighters and bombers in the air]…recon aircraft…electronic attack aircraft etc, to stay well away…

    All of these had to stay well outside the kill zone of the Serbian missiles, reducing the effectiveness of the operation greatly…

    The fighters and attack aircraft carrying bombs to try to hit targets were likewise constrained to a very narrow path that would be cleared by electronic attack aircraft like EA6 Prowlers and EA18 ‘Growlers’ which are equipped with jamming pods and would fly to clear a path, kind of a like a snow plow…

    The EA aircraft would be accompanied by attack aircraft with the HARM missiles, so that if the Serbs turned on their air defense radars, they could fire a missile at them…but the Serbs knew this and kept their radars turned off, only turning them on intermittently…if there was a good opportunity they would take the missile shot…

    That is how they kept almost their ENTIRE integrated entire air defense system [IADS] intact throughout the 78 day campaign [even though it was mostly old soviet ‘junk’ compared to today’s hardware]…had they had S300s it would have been a nightmare…it was bad enough as it was…

    So that is what happened to Goldfein…he made one mistake and ignored the instructions…he was flying a ground attack role with his F16, dropping precision guided munitions, most of which were actually aimed at civilian targets like chemical factories and things like that…but because of the interference of the Serb IADS, a lot of these ground attack sorties were foiled and they had to turn back without dropping their ordnance…this is frustrating…

    This is what happened to Goldfein…he ignored the explicit plan and instructions and turned back to try to make one more pass…the ‘snowplows’ were already gone by then and Col Dani’s S125 opened up and dropped him like a bad habit…

    And this is the S125 mind you, from the 1950s…the Israeli F16 was dropped by the Syrian S200, which dates from 1967…

    So yeah, I’m not going to just sit by while this little noisemaker throws a lot of diarrhea around…about things of which he knows less than nothing…

  262. FB says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    Mike, you’re assuming the retard Anus123 is actually saying something factual…

    FACT…one of the glaring issues with that totally failed cruise missile barrage in 2018 is the fact that, prior to the actual strikes, a list of EIGHT different targets was released publicly…

    After the fact, when only three abandoned sites were hit, the story then CHANGED that they did not TRY to hit those other five…

    The Syrians and Russians denied this and produced all kinds of cruise missile debris that they said were shot down TRYING to hit some of those targets, which included airfields, which would have been vigorously defended…

    The after-the-fact claim from the US became that something like 100 cruise missiles hit one target, which was an abandoned building in the Damascus suburbs…on this forum, I provided a quite detailed technical analysis of blast pressure waves using a methodology that is used by militaries worldwide, as well as the UN…

    I noted that it would have been impossible for even a dozen T-hawks to have hit that site, since it was surrounded by buildings that still had their glass windows intact…the blast wave would have broken windows and brought down walls…

    Ie…the story is evidently bullshit to anyone that is technically competent in these matters…

    PS…about Colonel Zoltan Dani, who shot down the two F117s, plus Goldfein’s F16…he was never ‘demoted’ by the Serbs and is a folk hero…he did open his own bakery after he retired with honors from the military…

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  263. A123 says:
    @Commentator Mike

    One would announce the targets just to make sure that there weren’t idiots on the opposing side who need the announcement so as to evacuate, … Any military worth its mettle, including one on the defensive, would know what the targets would be.

    Given the nature of the announced target, there was a high likelihood of toxic airborne material coming from the site. Many missile fuels are formulated for maximum performance and generate their own less than healthy combustion products. Evacuating civilians from a potential toxic release zone is beneficial to all sides as no one wants collateral damage.

    However, it does give up the element of surprise. Without surprise, strike planners know that the attack will face interception at maximum readiness. “Swamping” enemy defenses becomes necessary. Excess munitions were sent to make sure the minimum desired number of warheads got through.

    Allied forces could have had a more militarily efficient strike with a lower number of missiles via an unannounced attack. However, the mission would have been a failure if wives, children, and other civilians were injured by toxic material floating down wind.

    There was also a psychological component to the announced attack. However inefficiently, Allied forces publicly and undeniably broke through maximum defensive readiness. While that may not yield an immediate and tangible benefit, having enemy troops doubt their own security adds to the cumulative mental load on the opposition.

    The single Syria strike, through the narrowest and most superficial analysis, appeared overly expensive and limited in effectiveness when taken by itself. As a component of a larger vision & strategy that maximizes psychological impact and minimizes civilian risk, the attack makes more sense.
    ____

    A comparable tomahawk “Swamping” method attack plan against Venezuela would likely be more effective as it has less capable defenses. It also totally eliminates the “unacceptable losses” scenario as the number of Allied human losses is by definition near zero (barring a catastrophic launch site accident).

    The psychological impact of the successful Syria strike becomes beneficial in Venezuela. On an objective basis, Maduro knows that his defenses are less capable that the joint Iranian-Syrian AA network. The demonstration provided 100% proof that his defenses can be breeched, thus making Maduro less prone to foolish escalation.

    PEACE 😷

    • Replies: @FB
  264. @FB

    PS…about Colonel Zoltan Dani, who shot down the two F117s, plus Goldfein’s F16…he was never ‘demoted’ by the Serbs and is a folk hero…he did open his own bakery after he retired with honors from the military…

    OK, maybe Dani is too old to hold a function in the military. I meant “demoted” in a manner of speaking, compared to Goldfein’s rise to the pinnacle of his profession.

  265. FB says: • Website
    @A123

    Many missile fuels are formulated for maximum performance and generate their own less than healthy combustion products.

    Wow…and what about the unhealthy ‘combustion products’ we are subjected to gushing out from your bunghole here…?

    Btw…what do you know about missile fuels…?

    The Tomahawk cruise missiles which were used in those missile strikes is powered by an ordinary JET engine, burning ordinary jet fuel, which is KEROSENE…simply a more refined, thinner version of ordinary diesel fuel…

    Holy smokes, man…what an unbelievable IDIOT…

    • Agree: Jazman
  266. Jiminy says:

    With the US moving away from the Middle East at the moment and with Russia filling the void, I wonder if it isn’t found that South American infiltrators have made their way onto US soil in last years mass migration. I would not be surprised if out of left field said foreign agents are used as scapegoats to blame for the unfolding civil unrest. There is no way that the groups that are to blame can be blamed, so the question is, who to blame. So a new enemy would have to be created. That can then lead the US into its next battle against the nexus of evil waiting around the corner, this time closer to home. Bring on the next battle.

  267. Malla says:
    @FB

    Btw, a few years ago Nasa paid the Russians about 20 million, if memory serves, to build a toilet for the US section of the space station…

    Oy Vey, how iz dis possible? All that brown black talent coming into America from places full of “talent”, you know India, Nigeria and the lot to enrich the USA? How could multi racial USA not have the ability to build space toilet to comparatively more Whitey Russia?

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Commentator Mike
  268. FB says: • Website
    @Malla

    The issue is not the talent…there are engineers in the US…although the profession is not exactly flourishing…exorbitant costs of an engineering education, plus the fact that most young people would rather be singers and actors and such highly valued ‘professions’…

    The real problem is what Conman Musk pays engineers and how they are treated…it is a recipe for dysfunction…young engineers only take jobs with SpaceX due to the allure of working on rocket engines and spacecraft…the pay is basically half of that in industry in general…

    The workload is much heavier than it should be because conman Musk doesn’t like paying salaries to engineers…[although he doesn’t mind paying top dollar to various PR flacks with basket weaving degrees, who are able to spin fantastic tales about SpaceX in the fully retarded media…]

    This results in very high turnover because talented engineers simply get sick of this…the fact that Nasa is enabling this conman and making this whole bullshit possible, instead of taking things into their own hands is the real problem…[all for the glory of the mother’s milk of private enterprise ideology of course…]

    Yes, all this is probably news to someone who is aware of only a single issue in life…but Rome burns while clowns like you have a fiddle up your arse…

    • Replies: @Malla
  269. Malla says:
    @FB

    although the profession is not exactly flourishing…exorbitant costs of an engineering education, plus the fact that most young people would rather be singers and actors and such highly valued ‘professions’…

    What are you? a stupid imbecile?
    I am talking about Indians and other brown black “talent” goin to America. Engineering education is not that expensive here in India, most middle class folks can easily afford it. Unfortunately this has led to a glut of engineers, a lot of whom go to the West. Many Indian politicians have opened Engineering colleges as a way to funnel their loot money into something legitimate, leading to Engineering colleges mushrooming at every corner and gutter. Loads of so called “Engineers” who cannot do shit. I have friends in HR in big Indian companies like TATA, Mahindra and Infosys and they cry about the in coming Engineers and their abilities. And somehow the West needs this “talent” or it cannot survive. Even though before WW2, it did not need this “talent’. All that brown black talent cannot help America against predominantly Whitey Russia. How did dat happen?

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  270. @Malla

    The elite American academic competitions are dominated by the children of Chinese and Indian immigrants. The Chinese are more represented than Indians.

    Each group is only 1-2% of the population.

    Jews used to dominate these events, but not anymore.

    I am talking about Indians and other brown black “talent” goin to America.

    We don’t receive Brown or Black engineers in large numbers. Mainly Indians, Chinese, Eastern Euros, and some Western Euros too. A few Iranians and Israelis as well.

  271. @Malla

    Shouldn’t those Indians and Nigerians be building toilets for their own crappers instead of thinking about designing space age ones for spaceships?

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