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This is the third book by Andrei Martyanov that I am reviewing, the first one was “Book Review – Losing Military Supremacy: the Myopia of American Strategic Planning by Andrei Martyanov”, while the second one was “Book Review: Andrei Martyanov’s The (Real) Revolution in Military Affairs”. I also interviewed Andrei about this second volume here. The book I am reviewing today, “Disintegration: Indicators of the Coming American Collapse” can be pre-ordered from Clarity Press here and from Amazon here.

If the first two volumes mostly focused on issues of force planning and military power, this third volume addresses the wider context and shows example after example that the United States is not only failing at its attempts to remain a world hegemon, but the US is, in fact, in a process we could call “full-spectrum collapse” or, like Martyanov, simply “disintegration”. Specifically, the book looks into the manifestation of disintegration in the following spheres:

  1. Consumption
  2. Affluenza
  3. Geoeconomics
  4. Energy
  5. Making Things
  6. Western Elites
  7. Losing the Arms Race
  8. Empire Über Alles – Including Americans
  9. To Be or Not To Be
  10. Conclusion: Not Exceptional, Not Free, Not Prosperous – Not America?

These are tantalizing subject headings which I will not further describe because I really want to really encourage as many people as possible to read this book. Why?

Mainly because while Martyanov’s first two books were dealing primarily with military and geostrategic issues, this one goes much wider and looks at the wider socio-cultural reasons which create the context for such a dramatic lack of real military capabilities.

A month ago I wrote an article I called “Zone B Exists, Thus There Is Hope, I Promise You!” in which I tried to show that the pseudo “reality” in which most people in the West are artificially kept in by the most effective (and insidious) propaganda machine in history is not the “real reality” at all! Not only that, but that most of the planet has been living in “Zone B” for quite a while. In fact, this “Zone B” has already moved on, even if the legacy ziomedia never reports about this.

Well, you can think of Martyanov’s books like the perfect example of a “Zone B book”: not only does Martyanov debunk most of the myths of the US propaganda machine, he contrasts these delusions with examples from the real world.

You could buy only one or two of Martyanov’s books, and each of them stands on its own, but I really think of them as a trilogy which should be read and discussed by as many people in the West as possible. In fact, you could think of them as each a kind of “crash course on debunking delusions and returning to reality”. The overarching message of all three volumes is this: “People of the United States, your ruling elites are lying to you just like the chamber orchestra on the Titanic that was playing music while the supposedly “unsinkable” Titanic was sinking!”.

Interestingly, Martyanov adds that, of all nations, Russians understand these processes better than anybody else because they they too suffered the same fate during the “democratic nightmare of the 1990s” (I would add that descendents of White Russians like myself also remember the “democratic nightmare” under Kerenskii in 1917). Martyanov writes:

“The collapse of the Soviet Union and the economic catastrophe which followed taught Russians a lot, and also left an aftertaste of the humiliation of losing power – a process the United States is going through right now”

Truth be told, Martyanov is hardly the first person to have mentioned the uncanny similarities between the Soviet Union of the late 80s, or the Russia of the 90s, with the US of the last two decades (or more). For example, Martyanov mentions Dmitry Orlov whose many books have looked into what he calls the “stages of collapse” (financial, economic, political, social, cultural and, later, he added ecological) and have became a precious analytical tool for many researchers. Many decades earlier, Alexander Solzhenitsyn, whom Martyanov intensely dislikes, also often mentioned that the West of the 80s reminded him of the Russia of the early 20th century. This is just to illustrate Martyanov’s point that,

“Speaking in layman’s terms, the Russians get it. They, unlike any other people in the world, can relate to what the United States is going through right now. Russians can read the signs extremely well, while the U.S. elite not only has no experience with it, but is completely insulated from understanding it. This is America’s tragedy unfolding before our very eyes. Not only is America’s crisis systemic, but its elites are uncultured, badly educated and mesmerized by decades of their own propaganda, which in the end, they accept as a reality”

I couldn’t agree more. I would also add that those Russians who write books and articles desperately trying to warn the people of the US of real catastrophe taking place do that not because they are hostile to the United States, but precisely because they are sympathetic to the people of the US. The flag-waving pseudo-patriots who accuse these Russians of being “anti-American” simply don’t understand the “evil Russians” they hate so much (mostly because modern Russia under Putin has been fantastically successful, in spite of sanctions, threats, subversion, etc., while the US is in agony – that is why these folks are willing to believe anything bad, no matter how self-evidently stupid, about Russia and/or Putin).

Yes, of course, Russians hate and despise the US ruling Nomenklatura, just as they despised their own, Soviet, Nomenklatura. But that in no way implies what many mistake for “anti-American” hostility.

In my almost 58 years of life I have been blessed with the chance to travel a lot and speak six or so languages, yet I have never come across what I would call “anti-Americanism”. Even in countries supposedly hostile to the US the actual focus of the anger and disgust of people are the actions of the AngloZionist Empire, the ugly parasite feeding off its US host. Take a country like, say, Brazil. Anti “yankee” feelings have always been strong there, yet Brazilian musicians are known to beautifully fuse US and Brazilian music (see this superb example). The same is true elsewhere: people hate US policies, but very rarely the people of the US. Right now, judging by the Runet and emails from friends, Russians mostly feel pity for the people of the US, not hate, and this is so because they “get it” as Martuyanov correctly states. Of course, there are stupid and/or bigoted people in all countries and I am sure that there are those who hate the United States as a country, but I am confident that this is a small minority. There is one interesting category left: those who become critical of the US society after having lived in the US; a famous example of that would be Sayyid Qutb

None of that is meant to whitewash all the violence and ugliness of the short but extremely violent US history. But violence and ugliness exist in the history of probably every country on the planet (there sure was plenty of violence and ugliness in the history of Russia!). True, the US was probably one of the most bloody and violent regimes in history, but that violence ought to be attributed to imperialism and capitalism and not to something unique to the US (the British Empire was possibly the most criminally violent in history). Even more important to the understanding of US history is that most of its violence had its roots not in national or racial causes, but in the many social or, better, class struggles which peppered the history of the US. Again, discussions of class issues have been comprehensively blotted out from all the school books in Zone A, depriving those who had the misfortune to be educated in the West from one of the most important tools of political and economic analysis.

The importance of the above cannot be overstated and this is why Martyanov comes back to the topic of the education of the western ruling classes over and over again. In the last pages of Disintegration Martyanov writes:

Thus, no viable ideas or solutions to the current unfolding economic, social and cultural catastrophe can originate within these elites, who see the world only through the Wall Street and New York Times lenses. Real intellect, courage and integrity are simply not there: they all have been traded for the perks and sinecures of what many correctly describe as the Washington D.C. blob, whose only purpose for existence is self-perpetuation.

I would only add that there is a karmic irony in the fact that it is precisely because these ruling classes have no other purpose in life than self-perpetuation (and consumption, I would add) that they are driving themselves, and the country which they exploit, into extinction.

Conclusion: these are “must read” books for all of Zone A! (and even Zone B!)

Finally, it is precisely because Martyanov’s books are like “messages from Zone B” that I urge every person living in the US or in the EU to read them. As I said, each of these books stands on its own, but together they reach a kind of intellectual critical mass which makes them truly “must read” books, especially for those who hate their ruling regime but love their country.

These books are all pretty short, very well written, they have decent (but not perfect) indexes and are an easy read. If you want to get a superb summation of what is really going on in the United States (as opposed to the frankly laughable AngloZionist propaganda or the inchoate and outright childish slogans of the flag-waving “Trump patriots”) – read these books. If you have brainwashed friends, give them any (or, better, all of) these books: they are like a “crash course in reality studies”. If you have family members who still believe all the nonsense about “American exceptionalism”, challenge them to read these books.

Folks living in Zone B would also immensely benefit from reading Martyanov’s books. Not because these books will tell them much they weren’t already at least vaguely aware of, but because these books are also a very truthful “state of the United States” kind of SITREP. In my experience, while most folks (at least the well-read ones) in Zone B do mostly understand that the Empire is dead (or very close to death) and while they also feel the US are undergoing a massive internal catastrophe, most of these folks in Zone B do not fully appreciate the magnitude and severity of these crises. For them too Martyanov’s books will be an eye opener. This is also why I hope that all three of Martyanov’s books will be quickly translated into Russian: they will become instant blockbusters and, what is even more important, they will be read in Russian academies and universities. French and Spanish are another two languages I hope that these books will be translated into.

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But, most of all, I hope (against any common sense or logic) that these books will be read by truly patriotic US officers, force planners, analysts, political decision-makers, etc. Right now, there is a real threat of these folks stumbling into a shooting war with Russia which the US will never survive (nor would Russia or much of the rest of the world, of course). But even if by some miracle this potential war remains non-nuclear, the US will still be destroyed, at least as a functioning country, by Russian conventional capabilities. This is the single biggest danger and possible disaster authors like Myartyanov are so desperately trying to prevent: a major war caused by a clueless ruling Nomenklatura involving a country (the US) which has never fought a defensive war in its history and which has never experienced real warfare, especially not against a competent adversary. I can only add that in case of a conventional war, Russia now has the means to defend not only her airspace, but a conceptual “Russian border proximity zone” of roughly 800km-1000km (and this range is steadily increasing). The US cannot. Neither can the EU or NATO. And for all the silly MIC+Pentagon promises of super-duper missiles, this is not something which will change in the short to medium time frame.

The more people in the US realize this, the better the chances avoid a terrible catastrophe. Hence the timely importance of Andrei Martyanov’s books.

 
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  1. ruralguy says:

    The aftermath of the Soviet collapse in the 1990s is instructive. 80% of Americans believe the U.S. is on the wrong path. But, it’s just a feeling they intuit. They don’t rationally understand the problem, because only 15% of American adults can form a high-level inference from texts. Only about 3% can function at a very high level. Even if a few key decision makers in America comprehended the relevance of previous collapses to our present situation, they could not overcome the political barriers to change course. Both the Congressional Budget Office and the FED have repeatedly warned the Federal Government that we are on an unsustainable economic path, but they get ignored by Congress and the Executive Branch. Both of these organizations have said the political barriers to changing course are unlikely to be overcome. Like the Titanic, there is not much we can do, except hope we can make it to shore or desperately swim for a lifeboat.

  2. Lord, let me live to see that glorious day!

  3. Rahan says:

    Apparently there’s a second Andrei Martyanov, who writes sci-fi and fantasy.

    [MORE]

    I feel I need to check both writers out ASAP!

    (I also feel, and have had this feeling for over a decade, that if at some point contemporary Eastern European pulps start being published in English en mass, this will reinvigorate the pulp field and give back hope to many Anglospherical readers)

    • Replies: @Catdog
  4. But look at Russian culture.

    These are the most popular Tiktokkers in Russia. What does that say about the Russian young?

    https://www.rbth.com/lifestyle/333449-top-10-russian-tiktokers-videos

  5. Mephisto says:

    The American experiment proves that ethnic cohesion, also known as genetic cohesion, is essential for civilizational supremacy, something the Asians and Slavic race are very conscious of.

    Farewell America.

  6. Comparing US and Russia makes no sense.

    True, US is a sick country. In soulful and cultural terms, it is now far sicker than USSR under communism.

    But the big difference is the core US economy is working. Plenty of food is grown, shipped to stores, and no one is hungry. US has industries that extract tons of natural resources from the ground, and US has Canada as its front yard. US is really US-Canada as Canada is really just the 51st state.

    Because the US has so much good land and functional industries that extract minerals and oils and produce tons of food, it cannot be compared with Russia in the 90s when the basic economy didn’t function.

    Also, the examples of Brazil and Mexico tell us even a rotten system keeps chugging along if people are resigned to the rottenness.

  7. Why does Martyanov intensely dislike Alexander Solzhenitsyn? I have tremendous respect for Solzhenitsyn and cannot understand why any Russian patriot would have such negative feelings towards him.

    No man is perfect, but intense dislike indicates something much deeper than acknowledging that fact.

  8. Franz says:

    I ordered this book when Paul Craig Roberts mentioned, and quoted from it, on February 14, 2021. I especially liked PCRs quote halfway through the essay:

    The United States isn’t a nation any longer. It is a collection of peoples without a country. A nation requires a unifying spirit of the people, and the United States has no such unifying spirit. Martyanov observes that there is nothing in common between a white WASP farm worker from Iowa, a Jewish lawyer from Manhattan, and a black rapper from the Bronx. They view the world, America and their place in it differently, and those visions are irreconcilable.

    This has been obvious to some of us for decades. Worse yet, there is no mechanism or movement anyone can imagine that will keep the disintegration process in check. If anything, the elites are finding new and exciting ways to divide Americans further, and nobody is happier about it than the social media addicts who enjoy bigger and better rotten egg memes they can toss at the enemy de jour.

    This is interesting too:

    Not only is America’s crisis systemic, but its elites are uncultured, badly educated and mesmerized by decades of their own propaganda, which in the end, they accept as a reality

    I do hope the author means “uncultured” in the pejorative, insulting, Russian sense of the word. They are the “elites” who are revolting, and they are too dumb to know they are kicking the floorboards out from under their feet.

  9. glib says:
    @Priss Factor

    You got that almost right. The US produces a lot of food (not much manufacturing), given plenty of oil. But the problem is that it oil that it is disappearing fast. whereas Russia could revive energy production and resurrect itself, America will not. So the american collapse will be deeper, more destructive, and permanent. I could agree that a rump Deplorastan, based on agriculture and sound money, would be much more viable than the current arrangement, but vast parts of the USA are heading for oblivion.

    • Replies: @Majority of One
    , @Wally
  10. “People of the United States, your ruling elites are lying to you just like the chamber orchestra on the Titanic that was playing music while the supposedly “unsinkable” Titanic was sinking!”.

    The difference is, the actual American ship was just fine and hadn’t hit an iceberg. Rather, we were being deliberately sunk by a bunch of loons who were punching holes in the hull of the ship!

    But don’t go thinking the whole shebang is about to go under. This has been the dream of preppers on the right, and various anti-American groups on the other side, for generations. The Big Collapse, in which the whole North American continent, with all its power and wealth, just vanishes, is a pipe dream.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Drew
    , @Richard B
  11. For those of us paying attention, American elites have downplayed American Exceptionalism for years.
    And “S-400” is Russian for “muh Patriot missile system”.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  12. The most immediate causes of US collapse are, in my opinion, the rise of the predator, parasite, class to a position of total dominance while the proles have sunk into the shite, and the rise of China.
    The Amerkan proles could always bask in the glow of their ‘exceptionalism’, even as they became, more and more plainly, losers in their own land. I might be surplus to requirements, but I am Amerkan, and we’re Number One!!
    The Chinese were simply the Yellow Peril, or ‘chinks, gooks, slopes’ etc, and they couldn’t think like Amerkans, so they would never threaten Full Spectrum Dominance. Unfortunately, after 2000 and then 2008 and the economic implosion, the ‘gooks’ created the greatest economic, scientific and technological leap in history. The US overclass took that VERY badly, and the crazed hate-mongering began, in league with those other racist, settler regimes, Canada, New Zealand and Australia, the old Anglo-Saxon Boss, the UK, and the NATO running-dogs. After 2011 with Obama’s ‘Pivot to Asia’, delivered in groveling satellite Australia’s Parliament, the war preparations picked up pace. With China becoming the largest economy in PPP terms in 2014, and by very far the most productive given the USA’s turn to financialised hyper-parasitism, the frenzy stepped up a few notches.
    War is now inevitable. The USA, the Five Eyes, the NATO goons and Israel will NEVER allow a non-Western, non-Judeochristian power to rise to the heights that China will reach if left undisturbed. That’ll probably finish the USA, and the rest of us, off.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Miro23
  13. @Priss Factor

    ‘No-one is hungry’??? You’ve missed the long queues at food-banks have you?

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @Alden
    , @By-tor
  14. Well?
    US still will stand If People will buy US securities. The moment when People will stop buying US securities than the house of cards will fall. Not before. US will not disintegrate.
    US can still go a long way. And still with Strong and respected president by people, Congress and Senate can reverse the process. But chances of that happening are truly slim.
    US ruling class opinion which is that we can do anything because we are invulnerable is in the way of that happening. Trump wanted to do it but deaf and blind democrats did prevent him to do it.
    In my opinion the time is getting short now. US cannot get out from Danger zone with Biden or Camala presidency. So the inevitable collapse will happen in less than four years.

    • Replies: @Rahan
    , @Jmaie
  15. @Franz

    Exactly! Amerkan ‘elites’ are anything but, and have long believed their own press releases. Far too long.

  16. Martyanov writes:
    “The collapse of the Soviet Union and the economic catastrophe which followed taught Russians a lot, and also left an aftertaste of the humiliation of losing power – a process the United States is going through right now”

    Russians as in man-on-the-street Russians of the Soviet Union? It makes no sense, for they had little power to lose.

  17. @Priss Factor

    To be fair, only subhumans and a very small number of master manipulators use those platforms.

  18. @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Probably because Solzhenitsyn tore down any positivity of communism or that boshelvik scam. Slav(e)s are pretty emotional. On “victory day” they chug along a painting of Jesus Christ next to a portrait of (((stalin))). Nuff said? Nuff said.

  19. @Priss Factor

    Did you not notice how the vast majority of Americans hang back supinely in the face of highly hyped vaccines which may be more dangerous than the virus it allegedly addresses? Perhaps you missed out on the news when that modified frigidaire swamped the Texas electrical grid, how it just barely managed to cut the losses before the whole system would have gone down. Maybe you believe that a totally free and fair election brought to office a near brain-dead candidate who will soon be replaced by a former prosticutor who is said to have slept her way into political power, a reincarnation. perhaps, of the joint-Empress Theodora.

    A huge proportion of Murrikkkans are asleep at the wheel and Prissy is standing at the head of the line to receive another dose of boobtoob noose.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  20. @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    It left me wondering as well. Having read several of Solzhenitsyn’s books, I tend to regard him as a worthy successor to Dostoyevsky and perhaps even Turgenev and Tolstoi.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  21. @glib

    Even the prime ag areas, particularly the corn-belt states are so full of Monsanto barf and garbage poisons and other herbicides, pesticides, fungicides and everything else besides that several successive years of soil remediation will be required to bring the country’s major bio zone back to some semblance of healthiness. The number of true, actual, real farmers is fast approaching zero. They have been replaced by a bevy of chemical warfare applicators and heavy-equipment operators who rarely get their hands “dirty” from embracing Mother Earth, but from messing around with a mess of petrochemicals and their derivatives.

    • Agree: Thim, Mulga Mumblebrain
  22. @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Apparently they disagree on Russian History, particularly the USSR period. Specifically, I don’t know.

  23. neutral says:
    @Priss Factor

    Give it time, but eventually the US food production will be completely undermined by the SJWs. I already see stories about how US farming is too white, the end result of this is predictable, just the exact time is unknown.

  24. Bill P says:

    So when will you publish the review?

    I’d like to read the book. IIRC Martyanov lives in my hometown of Seattle, and I wonder how that informs his perspective (in my opinion the city has taken a horrible turn for the worse over the last 30 years).

    One thing I’ve been telling people who bring up the immigration debate is that it will probably be moot soon enough, because not that many people will want to move to the US from now on.

    I lived abroad as a young adult, and that taught me an important lesson:

    The US is not the center of the universe. It doesn’t occupy all that much space in the rest of the world’s mind. Not to say they don’t pay us any attention, but it’s not as much as Americans think it is. When I came home I was surprised how many “important things” had happened that I’d never heard about while abroad. And that despite the fact that I made some effort to keep up with the news. The thing is, the culture simply didn’t surround me. That gave me an idea of how insular American culture can be.

    Oddly enough, it seems as though the insularity is increasing, and it now leaves out broad swaths of the American people. I don’t know many people who watch the news on TV, and even fewer read the NY Times. It’s as though our elite is deliberately shrinking their sphere of influence, which is puzzling. For example, how could black nationalism have any appeal globally? Transsexualism? Seriously? And yet these are the causes our “betters” have decided to champion.

    It seems like just yesterday that the international moral outrage du jour was the Russian law preventing people from teaching children to sodomize each other. What will it be now? Threatening sanctions if trannies are not allowed to compete against real women in the Olympics?

    • Agree: Lucy Lipinska
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  25. China, Russia, India, and Iran—the future.

    How the Talmudics fit into the future schema is the question, I guess.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  26. Gee whiz. I just learned the United States is one of the world’s most violent and blood thirsty countries, second only to the former British Empire. I had no idea.

    But Wait! Someone should get ahold of The Saker and tell him about the history of the good ole USSR, which I’m pretty sure makes American history seem Pollyannaish in comparison.

    American farmers don’t especially like DC, except for farmer welfare checks. But they’re positively devoted loyalists compared to the kulak peasant farmers who resisted Stalin’s collectivization of their private farms. The Ukrainian kulaks paid dearly for their foot dragging when Stalin and his enforcers purposely starved 6 millions to death by systematically stripping the country of all food: grain, vegetables, cattle, horses…everything. People tried to survive eating grass and tree bark and the remains of deceased people.

    Okay, probably that’s no more than the USSA has killed in bombing campaigns over Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, the Middle East and other smoking ruins I’ve forgotten. Maybe honest reporting of those numbers would be even more depressing.

    But Stalin was in a league of his own, unsurpassed in murdering innocents in all of history. I read somewhere that when Khrushchev took over in the USSR, he assigned a KGB lieutenant the chore of adding up all deaths of innocent people under Stalin. In due course, the tally was announced: 70 million, not counting the millions of slave soldiers forced to march into enemy fire with retreat answered by Soviet bullets.

    The USA is no bastion of individual freedom today and the empire post WWII will fly apart, inevitably as they spend us into poverty. But the claims about America and Britain are exaggerated.

  27. GMC says:

    The US could use a dozen Putins, ready to pick up the pieces when it falls – but I think the US/Global Crime Syndicate will hang onto power, even when it sinks, because they own the printing presses all the Intel agencies, media, politicians and the military etc. etc. etc. . The domestic US can sink but there are still people in America with enough money to make it through the collapse – { they can leave also }. It will be up to the people to get their shit together. The Foreign policy has money and backers, but who knows how Crazy it will get . Thanks for the review.

    President Putin is the first 100% pro- Russian administration for over a century. I say this because his people are not afraid, or targeted by anyone within the country and their future looks very promising – without the West going full throttle Nuclear war, as Andrei and Saker have written.

  28. @Priss Factor

    It isn’t bad as it looks. They do that shit, but Russian kids are way more conservative that westerners. The margin for fucking up is much smaller here. They mostly just drink and vape in the stairwell of their building. They’re also very polite, study their asses off, and are not hopelessly promiscuous; they are very conscious of bringing shame on their families. Also, I never get that malicious vibe from Russian teenagers that one always gets in America. No posturing or sniggering. They’re almost uniformly normal, helpful young people, even if they look like retarded hoodlums – actually quite refreshing.

    • Agree: GMC, RedpilledAF, Alfred
    • Replies: @follyofwar
  29. @Priss Factor

    Russia is on the same path as the rest of the West, the so-called “Soviet Freezer” effect merely delayed their “progress” by a decade or two.

    • Agree: Thim
    • Disagree: foolisholdman
    • Replies: @mikael_
  30. Wally says:
    @glib

    said:
    “But the problem is that it oil that it is disappearing fast”

    No it’s not. The US sits on numerous seas of oil.

    It is the leftist US government getting in the way of retrieving it that is the problem.

    • LOL: Alfred
    • Replies: @glib
    , @Mulga Mumblebrain
  31. glib says:
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    It has to do with the 60M baloney.

  32. I would only add that there is a karmic irony in the fact that it is precisely because these ruling classes have no other purpose in life than self-perpetuation (and consumption, I would add) that they are driving themselves, and the country which they exploit, into extinction.

    When you think about it, you’ve essentially described a virus … a brutish, nasty virus. Do we live with it, or do we follow the prescriptions of the only experts allowed to speak on how to handle viruses?

  33. Schuetze says:

    Lol. In this comment Ron Unz was talking about Wall Street Journal statistics about “CV19 deaths” which he accepts as gospel, and he wrote:

    “But I do read my morning newspapers”

    In the last pages of Disintegration Martyanov writes:

    Thus, no viable ideas or solutions to the current unfolding economic, social and cultural catastrophe can originate within these elites, who see the world only through the Wall Street and New York Times lenses. Real intellect, courage and integrity are simply not there: they all have been traded for the perks and sinecures of what many correctly describe as the Washington D.C. blob, whose only purpose for existence is self-perpetuation.

    Maryanov also writes:

    Not only is America’s crisis systemic, but its elites are uncultured, badly educated and mesmerized by decades of their own propaganda, which in the end, they accept as a reality

    Martyanov could be writing about Ron Unz as one of those elites.

    I do take exception to Saker and Martyanov praising Orlov:

    For example, Martyanov mentions Dmitry Orlov whose many books have looked into what he calls the “stages of collapse” (financial, economic, political, social, cultural and, later, he added ecological) and have became a precious analytical tool for many researchers.

    Orlov is a shameless warmist tyrant who blocks all comments from his blog disputing AGW. Orlov, even worse than Saker, never names the jew. It is not surprising that I have yet to see an article by Orlov or Saker exposing the plandemic. Both are hosts of limited hangout blogs that get dopamine rushes every time they spit the word “nazi” at their readers.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @anon
  34. ValMonde says:
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Solzhenitsyn converted into a Russian patriot only late in life. During his American exile, he became the main source of the anti-Soviet propaganda that swept through the West in the 70’s and the 80s. He also called for nuking the USSR (Russia). No less!
    There is no bigger liar than the indignant man, wrote Nietzsche.
    A visceral anti-communist, Solzhenitsyn ended up a vulgar liar, spreading exaggerations and falsehoods regarding his gulag experience and the so called years of Stalinist terror. He’s the one who came up with the original “50 million victims of soviet communism” hoax. Despite the complete lack of historical evidence to support such number, the “50 million” myth is still in circulation today. It’s gleefully thrown around by pretty much everyone. From your garden variety neocon blaming Russia for this and that, to faux-dissidents such as Jordan Peterson and Eric Metaxas, warning us about the evils of totalitarianism.
    In the 90s, Solzhenitsyn had enough of western fagotry and decadence. He returned home, repented and asked for forgiveness. He also wrote his opus magnus “200 years together”. Not holding a grudge, mother Russia took back her prodigal son. Putin met him twice and forgave on behalf of Russian people. The damage Solzhenitsyn caused though is still alive and well in the West. And carefully kept so, one may add.

    • LOL: Thim, Alfred
    • Replies: @mikael_
    , @obwandiyag
    , @kemerd
  35. Biff says:

    What the propaganda does is train the mind to look for salvation in the very thing that oppresses it – for those wondering why some people go down with the sinking ship.

  36. Sej says:
    @Priss Factor

    “Because the US has so much good land and functional industries that extract minerals and oils and produce tons of food, it cannot be compared with Russia in the 90s when the basic economy didn’t function”

    The US economy that supports the globohomo empire isn’t financed by industry lol. That’s one of the most ridiculous things I’ve read in a day or 2. Not even basic vanilla liberals and conservatives claim that the US is still an industrial economy.

    Anyway nobody is claiming that the US can’t still mass produce high fructose corn syrup and GMO laced garbage for Walmart. However that isn’t the corner stone of US economic power, the financial sector which is based on nothing more than speculation and money printing is where some people predict a crash. The idea isn’t that there will be no more no more high fructose corn syrup products available at 7-11 and Walmart, the idea is that the dollar will hyper inflate do wall streets financial crimes finally coming home to roost. The implications of such an inflation are a massive reduction in both US soft and hard power and probably quality of life.

  37. Shamil says:
    @Priss Factor

    You are absolutely right. Modern Russian culture is a mess today. just look at how big and popular Russian porn is. But that is usually in the big cities. Rural Russia, perhaps the majority, hate this sleaze, hip-hop, sexually deviant popular culture of America. Russia I would argue has stronger national institutions to fight this abhorrence than let’s say France or the US. All and all Saker’s argument is still valid.

  38. The capitalist Russians are my allies.

    The communist Chinese are my enemies.

  39. Living in Europe, the comparison of 2020s USA to the USSR of the 1980s looks ridiculous. In the 1980s the USSR was a spent force, Soviet Communism held little attraction even for Marxists, its inability to produce quality consumer goods was an international joke and the obvious inability of the Soviets to keep pace with computer technology was one reason Soviet elites lost faith in their own country. The USA, for all its faults, still strides the world like a colossus. There are plenty of reasons to detest Apple, Amazon, Google, Facebook, Uber, Tesla, Netflix, Starbucks, Microsoft, Nike, etc. but all those brands spread US soft power in a way that the USSR could not (and Russia still cannot). 5 Guys can open a hamburger store in Vienna and get a line around the block. The Soviet Union could send the Bolshoi Ballet on tour. Russia can barely even do that (because in the West the number of people who appreciate quality ballet, or fine arts of any kind, has probably dropped by 75% since the 1980s). The US is still a leader in innovation – where was the Soviet equivalent of Moderna? Boston Robotics? Twilio? Here in the 2020s Russian elites are still desperate to send their kids to American universities. I don’t remember many Americans tutoring their kids in Russian in the 1980s so that they could get into MGU. America has plenty of problems, but maybe a little perspective and sense of proportion is needed here.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @mikael_
  40. Alfred says:
    @Priss Factor

    Because the US has so much good land and functional industries that extract minerals and oils and produce tons of food, it cannot be compared with Russia in the 90s when the basic economy didn’t function.

    The US is a net importer of oil – around 4 million barrels per day. Fracking companies are going broke in a big way. This means that the imports will grow rapidly – unless the economy collapses first.

    The Great American Oil & Gas Massacre: Bankruptcies Hit New Milestone as Bigger Companies Let Go

    • Replies: @glib
  41. antibeast says:

    Nah, The Saker is wrong.

    The USA won’t ‘disintegrate’ but will instead turn into the largest banana republic in the Americas:

    ¡Viva el Presidente Trump!

    ¡Viva la República Banana de América!

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    , @foolisholdman
  42. Miro23 says:
    @Priss Factor

    But the big difference is the core US economy is working. Plenty of food is grown, shipped to stores, and no one is hungry.

    This is true, but only to the extent that the US dollar is an acceptable currency.

    For example, in Weimar Germany 1923 the agricultural sector was still producing , but refused to sell/deliver food to the cities. As they said, they didn’t want to be paid in “Confetti Money”. Example: By 1923 the price of a cabbage which usually sold for 25 pfennigs, arrived at 50.000.000 marks*.

    The result was that townspeople organized forays into agricultural areas to try and seize food.

    * Source: Bernd Widdig, “Culture and Inflation in Weimar Germany: ( Weimar and Now. German Cultural Criticism)”, University of California Press 2001

  43. The great hope of the Rest of the world is that the US will finally become poor enough that it stops bombing other countries.

    • Agree: HdC, nokangaroos
    • Replies: @Rich
    , @Old and Grumpy
  44. Bj0311 says:
    @Priss Factor

    The US has infected the entire world with its anti-culture. You will see on Russian TV, “music” videos with gangsta tattooed white guys acting black and it would be hilarious if not for the fact of their popularity.

  45. Bj0311 says:
    @Priss Factor

    But what kind of food? Robert Kennedy Jr.’s website has an interview outlining the likely future of western food production. And when you deliberately destroy the small business sector as they did this past year how can you say “the core US economy is working”. Amazon et al are not the core of our economy–or shouldn’t be.

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/rfk-jr-interviews-vandana-shiva-gates-empire/

    • Agree: TheTrumanShow
    • Thanks: Majority of One
  46. Jake says:
    @ruralguy

    Your words need to be framed.

    A society/empire fairly deep onto an implosion/suicide course has about as much chance of stopping the process, and then reversing it, as a boulder rolling down a mountain side has of stopping before its crash. Even if a collection of large trees and rocks can slow and then slightly redirect and slow down that boulder before it reaches bottom, huge damage will be done.

    The coming crash is not just of the USA. The coming crash is not just of Globo-Capitalist-Neo-Liberalism, as meant by a CJ Hopkins. The coming crash is of Modernist Western Liberal secular society.

    That society, which has its birth with the Reformation and indeed is inherent in the Reformation, is primarily about the re-paganization of Germanic peoples and the ‘reformed’ Protestantized modern Germanic nations (England/UK, Netherlands, Prussia, Germany, etc.) destroying as much of what is left of Christendom as possible.

    It is a replay of pagan (and Arian heretic) Germanic peoples destroying not merely the governmental structure of the Western Roman Empire but also destroying civilization itself, thereby creating the Dark Ages, which were overcome only as Germanic peoples were Latin Christianized.

    That last part is the hardest for The Saker to grasp, much less accept. It means that Eastern Orthodoxy among Germans w0uld have led directly to the same basic problem as has Protestantism (Lutheranism, Anglicanism, Zwinglianism, Puritanism, etc.). If their Christian faith and practice do not actively make Germanic peoples significantly Latinized in terms of theology, philosophy, and high culture, they will remain at heart destroyers of civilization. They will remain Saxons destroying Camelot, Saxons warring against Charlemagne: they will remain Vandals.

    The coming collapse is inevitable, but we cannot know when. It could be simply a larger version of what happened to the USSR. Or it could be as total as what happened to the Western Roman Empire.

    Here is what is certain: WASP culture is the specific Germanic culture most responsible of the perversions of the Modern West and the coming collapse. That is due to the fact that WASP culture was born of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism, which was a specific and vicious Judaizing heresy.

    The British Empire back to at least Oliver Cromwell has been the Anglo-Zionist Empire. The USA is merely the Anglo-Zionist Empire Part 2, or the western ruled Anglo-Zionist Empire, the capital moved from London to DC/NYC/Hollywood.

    • LOL: ThreeCranes
    • Replies: @Majority of One
  47. @Priss Factor

    “But the big difference is the core US economy is working. Plenty of food is grown, shipped to stores, and no one is hungry.”

    It will all come to a very quick grinding halt with the next 9/11 false flag that the WEF and various ‘experts’ are predicting is imminent: a ‘hacker’ attack on our infrastructure grid, shutting down our computers, phones and electricity sources for potentially weeks. See here:

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/covid-19-pandemic-teaches-us-about-cybersecurity-cyberattack-cyber-pandemic-risk-virus/

    and here:

    https://www.rt.com/usa/516901-cyber-pandemic-solar-winds-attack/

    A quote from the WEF piece:

    “The cyber equivalent of COVID-19 would be a self-propagating attack using one or more “zero-day” exploits, techniques for which patches and specific antivirus software signatures are not yet available. Most likely, it would attack all devices running a single, common operating system or application.”

    Wow, what an ‘opportunity’ for the elites, just like the WEF ‘predicted’ Covid caper we are still just in the beginning throes of. Hackers from hell unleashing digital disaster. The possibilities are endless.

    Frankly, from an ‘elite’ perspective, it’s just what the world and America need (again), yet another “Pearl Harbor”! WEF is the new PNAC. Who will be the enemy du jour? Russia? China? Iran? White supremacists? All three?

    I think I know exactly who will be the real enemy in all of this: the same ‘enemy’ that has always been their ultimate target.

    You and me.

    • Agree: Radicalcenter
    • Thanks: cronkitsche
    • Replies: @El Dato
  48. @Mephisto

    Yes and this quote “failing at its attempts to remain a world hegemon” How can we when we have allowed ourselves,our peoples, to be bred and mixed out. Whites were over 90% before 1965…..now we are just a mixed and bred out third world country. With our very own coup that has put in place Joe and the Ho. With basically a standing army guarding the psychotic liberal Dem morons. And Americans sit there and think that this is normal. Only in third world countries it is. You bring in the third world ,you get third world , in societal living and political policy.

    • Replies: @Drapetomaniac
  49. anon[137] • Disclaimer says:

    You forgot to actually critically “review” the book. And this effort is somewhat too frothy for effective advertisement. It actually undermines the product.

    There is also absolutely no reason for “Zone A” people to read psyops designed to demoralize them. What “Zone A” people require is a critical consideration of what and why of demise and degeneration of their “zone”. And should such a discourse follow with a program of reform, it may even be useful reading.

    As for “tell-tale” signs of collapse, those of us who saw the signs in the 90s (and there were plenty) find these 21st century johny come latelies cum “prophets of collapse” rather amusing.

    • Replies: @Drapetomaniac
    , @anonomojoe
  50. Bj0311 says:

    All I have been doing this past year is reading even more than I usually do–and it is depressing. Theory without praxis is meaningless, but I see no viable course of action except emigration. I just finished Everything Flows by Vasily Grossman and am nearly done with Lenin by Victor Sebestyen and they speak loud and clear regarding the philosophical path America’s elite have put us on and it’s end result.

    There is a certain fatalism to the story of Lenin. How could such an uncharismatic and thoroughly unlikeable person such as he was get to where he did? Even the “revolution” was accidental. Lenin had no master plan on how it was to transpire, it was mainly opportunism on his part and incompetence on the part of his opponents. It was as if it had to happen.

    The most disgusting thing about the Russian radicals that reminds me so much of America’s left today (beginning in the 60’s), was that they were nearly all from privileged families and had nothing to complain about. Just like then those who build nothing want to tear down everything with nothing viable to replace it.

    There is no hope for America because you would have to get your face out of Twatter and Farcebook long enough to see the coming fall. “America is fallen, is fallen, that great nation, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”

  51. inquire says:

    Saker, could you explain the reason for the disliking (deep) of Solzhenitsin by some Russians?
    Thanks

    • Replies: @ValMonde
    , @ValMonde
  52. Jake says:
    @Mephisto

    Ethnic cohesion requires cultural cohesion, which does reform people of different ethnic backgrounds into culturally the same basic type as those who are different from them by biological ethnicity.

    The problem for the US is that the dominant/regnant culture is WASP, which is formed out of the Judaizing heresy Anglo-Saxon Puritanism. Which guarantees Jewish banking and Jewish media.

    • Replies: @gnbRC
  53. “The more people in the US realize this, the better the chances avoid a terrible catastrophe.”

    Don’t you worry! Our trannies will kick your ass from Moscow to Vladivostok… have you anything like Miss Bepsi or Miss La shinka in your arsenal?

  54. @Majority of One

    Never heard about Turgenev.
    What did he wrote?

    • Replies: @yurivku
  55. glib says:
    @Wally

    I think what is getting in the way of retrieving it is the energy cost. What you call “oil”, I call “bitumen”, or even “oil shale”. Sweet crude peaked way back in 2005. The oil is there but will stay there. In a few million years it will have matured into something lighter and will be available for advantageous extraction.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  56. @Majority of One

    It is a very sad state of affairs.
    There are some very innovative people doing small scale creative work in agriculture and there are, thank God, religious groups that preserve methods. We will not lose out in the long run.

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  57. glib says:
    @Majority of One

    Good point but remediation does not take many years. you could restore most grassland and focus on cattle. we will have to all do that (all over the world) once oil becomes really scarce.

  58. MLK says:

    The obvious is obviously wrong.

    This investing adage comes to mind whenever the subject of impending collapse of the American Project is discussed as here.

    I’m old enough to remember that the collapse of the Soviet Union (and the Warsaw Pact) blindsided nearly everyone. Then those that completely missed it disappeared like the Buffalo. Now we get it as plug-n-play for US decline.

    My point is not that everything is wine and roses at the moment. As my previous comments on this site attest, anything but. However, while I don’t begrudge this author or Martyanov, when a Yeltsin circa 1996 is president its yesterday’s news.

    It all seems to be distraction from the current fashion, CCP China — anal swabs and all.

    Geopolitical specifics aside (e.g. the monumental, near criminal failure of the USG as evidenced by its decision to drive Russia into a strategic alliance with China), what this author and Martyanov can and should bring to the table is Russia’s surprising resurgence.

    Unless you’re a dreamy globalist you accept that peoples and great civilizations cycle by their own playbook. I would say that Russians learned the hard way in the 90s the inefficacy of adopting Western neoliberal magic but they knew that already and, in any event, no one really asked them.

    Russia has set a high bar in terms of how to right the ship in an improbably non-violent way. Given its 20th C. history who would have predicted that, certainly not me.

    While the American Project is young, there’s more than enough there for gaming this out. For my money, the most ominous is the current hankering to re-litigate the Civil War.

  59. Again, discussions of class issues have been comprehensively blotted out from all the school books in Zone A, depriving those who had the misfortune to be educated in the West from one of the most important tools of political and economic analysis.

    Thank you. Because of this lack of class consciousness the American working class a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.

    • Agree: glib, foolisholdman
  60. @Mark Humphrey

    This type of invective you denounce is standard fare from the Faker and Martynov types.

    Prior to the Soviets, Islam was the Slave system on the planet. It was brutal. Even in the late 19th century, Turks were still slave raiding on the north shores of the Black Sea. To this day, there are Turks that look European. They are the descendants of Devirshme.
    Islam in India was incredibly brutal. Destroying temples, towns a nd everything in them was standard practice.
    To childish minds, whatever is BAD now is the WORST THING EVER.
    That is why I call him the Faker. Not real analysis. Just fake.

    • Replies: @ivegotrythm
    , @anonymous
  61. glib says:
    @Alfred

    Yep, I replied in the same vein to Wally. The shale play is over, with production in 2021 down to some 5Mb/day (it was 12Mb/day in 2015). It took over three dollars of debt to generate a dollar of economic output during those years, so I am guessing it took of order 50-100 dollars of debt to generate a dollar of oil. But the ideologues here prefer to accuse their political opponent. Look guys, it is just thermodynamics and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  62. jsinton says:
    @Priss Factor

    I’ve noticed a lot of these posts recently on UR that seem so detached from reality. I can only assume the Empire has employed a cadre of trolls to try and sway the narrative. The fact is the US is a powder keg that’s ready to blow. The economy is a pumped up fake bubble. Most people in the US have no savings and are one month from sofa on the street. Meanwhile the propagandists try to convince us our problems are “white supremacy” and “gender bias”. The US has never been so morally, spiritually, economically, politically as weak as it is today.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  63. And on top of it.
    All these covid shut downs did bring down the money circulation in US to the trickle.
    The reliable service economy really suffers.
    And to bring up the money circulation to normal level, will be monumental task, which 2 trillion injection will certainly not capable to do it.
    So all we can do is sit down and watch how Biden administration will cope.
    Will the building up better work?

  64. anonymous[363] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    ” settler regimes” fuck your communists bulshit America despises White people same Australia New Zealand Britain ect talk about jews you fucking coward

  65. Rurik says:

    This is the single biggest danger and possible disaster authors like Myartyanov are so desperately trying to prevent: a major war caused by a clueless ruling Nomenklatura involving a country (the US) which has never fought a defensive war in its history

    If the ZUS is able to foment a war with Russia, it will fought (again) on Russian and European soil.

    Preventing such an event, is a laudable aspiration, (to say the least!) And the good news is that Russia has the power to do so, and it wouldn’t cost them a penny or one drop of blood.

    With simply a public statement, repudiating the crimes and imperialism of the Soviet era, and honoring all European efforts to remove all memorials to that monstrous period of history, (where few people suffered more than the Russians themselves), would herald a new, triumphal moment in Russian and European relations, with mutual respect and an eye to mutual cooperation, and best of all, emasculate the Anglo/Zionist intrigues for war between Russia and the West.

    Martyanov; from the article:

    “… Russians can read the signs extremely well, while the U.S. elite not only has no experience with it, but is completely insulated from understanding it. This is America’s tragedy unfolding before our very eyes. Not only is America’s crisis systemic, but its elites are … … mesmerized by decades of their own propaganda, which in the end, they accept as a reality”

    Perhaps, it isn’t only the U.S. elites that are insulated and mesmerized by their own propaganda.

    What a tragedy if Biden were to attempt to bully Russia out of Syria, and in doing so, start an actual hot war, spear-headed by Norway and Sweden, who’ve been all too eager to poke the (‘homophobic, autocratic’, blah, blah..) Russian bear of late. Leading inexorably to a wider conflict on the continent and beyond.

    I’m not as smart as Martyanov. I don’t pretend to be. But there’s one thing I can tell you with absolute certainty, is that the elites controlling the ZUS Deepstate (and England and France and Germany, et al), would explode in their pants at the prospect of Russia and Norway exchanging bombing campaigns on their respective population centers. Even better to have Polish and Baltic and Ukrainian boots on the ground as bullet sponges for Russian machine guns, and vice versa.

    And it seems to me, that the main bone of contention is the respective narrative of WWII.

    Would the Russian people be willing to fight yet another world war with all of NATO, to protect the preposterous lies about the Soviet Red Army as Eastern Europe’s ‘liberators’ ?

    I just can’t imagine something so precious, (peace) being achievable by something so easy, (the public repudiation of the tiresome and obvious lies about Soviets as ‘liberators’), that so many millions of Europeans and Russians have labored under for so terribly long.

    Indeed, the reason Mr. Unz calls his seminal work; the American Pravda series, is because the Soviet’s Ministry of Truth: Pravda (truth) during the Soviet regime- was anything but.

    And everybody knows it!

    So why cling to absurdities (Red Army as ‘saviors’) when those very absurdities are the fault line NATO and the Anglo/Zionist thugs are using to foment hatred and strife and even war on your very borders?

    Martyanov and others are certainly right about America’s looming hardships. But I think America’s Deepstate would love nothing more, to shore up their iron grip on the planet, than a war between Russia and NATO. And looking at Biden’s cabinet, only a fool could mistake the obvious signs.

    Is the vanity of ‘Russia as the liberator of Europe’, (a dreary lie), so precious that it’s worth playing into Anglo-Zio hands (rubbing together), for a repeat of World War?

    My agenda is simple. I love the people of the West, including Russia and Russians, and I don’t want to see them played (again) into a ‘let’s you and him fight’, slaughter-fest for the tribe’s orgiastic amusement. But if you can give anything to the tribe, you have to give them that: They know how to manipulate other people into catastrophic wars, for their own benefit.

    Let’s not let them do it again, eh?

  66. gnbRC says:
    @Jake

    The problem for the US is that the dominant/regnant culture is WASP, which is formed out of the Judaizing heresy Anglo-Saxon Puritanism.

    Agree completely! Even if the US kicked all the Zionists to Israel, the US general population would still have the problem of Jewish based oppression from the WASP side. As an example, one can read the book ‘The Brothers – John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, and Their Secret World War” (Kinzer) to see the truth about how the rigid puritanical Presbyterians (re. John Foster Dulles) completely screwed up US foreign policy, which is still followed to this day.

    And so, as Andrei Martyanov obliquely implies, this middle eastern religious belief system is actually a major underlying cause of the US disintegration.

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  67. @Mark Hunter

    Man-in- the-street Americans have no power, either. But they think America is powerful. Does it make sense now?

    • Replies: @Mark Hunter
  68. @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    Destroying temples, towns and everything in them is standard practice for whom today? To this day there are Americans who look human.

  69. Realist says:
    @Priss Factor

    But the big difference is the core US economy is working.

    Not for the vast majority.

  70. Wildly overpriced, no Kindle edition. I would like to have been able to read it..

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  71. Rich says:
    @Nick Kollerstrom

    You do understand that once the US stops bombing, many others will jump in to fill the gap, right? If the US hadn’t stood up to the invading communists in Korea and Vietnam, how much more blood would have been shed.? Iraq v Kuwait would have just been the beginning of Saddam’s invasions. Israel would be in a constant state of war, maybe even unleashing its nukes. The US is still the toughest guy on the block, and although it has at times been rough, it is still the most benevolent superpower in human history. The ground wasn’t salted in Germany after WW2, the Japs weren’t forced to speak English and change their religion. You guys will miss the US when its gone.

    • Disagree: HdC
    • Troll: mikael_
    • Replies: @jsinton
    , @Herald
  72. yurivku says:
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    cannot understand why any Russian patriot would have such negative feelings towards him.

    Because he is a proven liar and a snitch of the NKVD. As well as Resun (aka suvorov). No *real* Russian patriot feel anything but despise to him. I mean those patriots who live in Russia.

  73. Expecting my brainwashed friends to actually read anything requiring reading comprehension is delusional.
    Reality is a bitch!

  74. El Dato says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    “The cyber equivalent of COVID-19 would be a self-propagating attack using one or more “zero-day” exploits, techniques for which patches and specific antivirus software signatures are not yet available.

    That’s called a “worm”. These “zero-day” exploit should probably be somewhere in an NSA folder. Too good to tell anyone about it.

    Most likely, it would attack all devices running a single, common operating system or application.”

    Aka. old Windows from the 00’s run by importo-monkeys and JavaScript lemurs surviving in understaffed/underfunded/underskilled IT departments. Don’t do that.

    Of course, this is all basically “drumming up business” by the usual “cybersecurity” bottom feeders.

    If someone gets cancer remotely possibly due to Johnson&Johnson having some little asbestos left in baby powder: billions of payout.

    If some leaves an industrial system on the open Internet and get his ass handed to him by an automated exploit of 15 lines: crickets.

    Meanwhile, “kinetics”:

    Seven years after Maidan divided country, Ukraine intensifies shelling of Donbass to sound of deafening silence from Western media

    Hey, Russia. Why dontcha flatten the artillery sites? So what if some “US observers” croak with it? So what if decaying-on-TV EU bureaucrats get hot under their collar. If the US can bombard Syria with F-15s, you can make some meat patties across the border. FFS!

    • Thanks: Fred777
  75. @Nick Kollerstrom

    As long as the bombs are functional, we’re a threat. Maybe even a bigger one, as Washington will try to remain relevant.

  76. ValMonde says:
    @inquire

    Solzhenitsyn is one of the patron saint of contemporary Russophobia. Also one of the ideological undertakers of the USSR, whose collapse is still lived by many Russians as a major personal catastrophe.
    In the Gulag Archipelago’s first edition, Solzhenitsyn claims that some 66 million Russians were sent to gulags and labor camps by Stalin’s repression apparatus. The historical source he refers to is an article of certain “professor Kourganov”. Kourganov was an obscur Soviet economist, who in 1942 defected to the nazi troops in the occupied part of the USSR and subsequently, made a carrier in the West as an anti-Soviet propagandist.
    During a 1973 interview on the Spanish television, Solzhenitsyn doubled down on the bullshit numbers, blaming the Soviet political systems for a total of “110 million deaths”.
    Needless to say, the actual numbers of the 1937/38 political repressions were lower by an order of magnitude. By the end of his life, Solzhenitsyn knew that, yet left the numbers in the Archipelago unchanged. See also my answer at # 34.

    • Replies: @glib
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
  77. Rahan says:
    @Zarathustra

    The US entered the stagnation spiral for real after the 9/11 coup, but unlike the USSR its system is far more flexible due to market mechanisms, political pluralism, and free speech.

    Now that “the holy war against Trump and badwhites” has lead to a serious restriction of political pluralism and free speech, and the (mis)management of COVID has decisively pushed the market into megacorp monopoly space, the compensatory mechanisms that helped late-USSR stagnation to not set in, have been mostly dismantled.

    The Soviet route downward had some basic markers:
    1) rise of street gangs and initial ethnic strife that everyone had to pretend wasn’t happening
    2) increasing lack of decent products and thus endless queues
    3) rise of an enormous black market
    4) the different “states” within the union become fiefdoms of the local party chiefs
    5) apathy setting in and people stopping driving carefully or doing their jobs well
    6) total divorce between objective reality and “morally correct positions” leading to solipsism
    (5+6=Chernobyl)
    7) rise of groups that seek to “fix the system” by dismantling it
    9) corruption replacing normal social interaction in every possible situation

    Among other differences a major one is that as the Soviet empire failed across Eastern Europe and the USSR itself, the people could look to the example of Reagan’s USA as in “what kind of society we want”. Hence today Eastern Europe recoiling from what the West is becoming in the sense of “Hey, hey, this wasn’t what we signed up for. In fact, where you’re headed, that’s where we came from. Not a good place to be, friends”.

    But the West today, the US in particular, do NOT have an example–real or imaginary–of “we want to be like them”. Except some white liberals who imagine some version of Sweden, presumably, and America first whites imagining a sort of Japan/Singapore model…

    • Agree: cronkitsche
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  78. mikael_ says:
    @ValMonde

    Look, the indignant poster, demanding perfectism from everyone, and from Solzhenitsyn in particular!

    So give us your evidence, that
    a) the gulags weren’t so bad
    b) not 50 million (but only 20-30 million?) died victims of Soviet communism
    c) Solzhenitsyn wanted the USSR nuked.

    Also, tell us what about the ‘warnings about the evils of totalitarianism’ is distasteful to you: the warnings are faux, or it’s not really totalitarianism, or totalitarianism also has some overlooked good sides?

    If I may make a guess, towards both you and Martyanov:
    You’re both probably just blind religion-haters, that’s where your dislike of Solzhenitsyn originates from.

    • Agree: Alfred, Seraphim
  79. anarchyst says:
    @glib

    You are wrong.
    At the rate that the world is “harvesting oil, there aren’t enough “fossils” to be turned into oil (hydrocarbon products).
    Far from being “fossil fuel”, hydrocarbons are not only plentiful but are being renewed by yet-unknown processes deep within the earth.
    The term “fossil fuel” was coined in the 1950s when little was known about the processes by which oil is produced. Oil is “abiotic” in nature, as even depleted oil wells are “filling back up” from deep below the earth’s surface.
    Oil interests are drilling wells at 5,000 feet, 10,000 feet, and 15,000 feet and deeper, and coming up with oil deposits way below the layers and levels where “fossils” were known to exist.
    As Russia gained much expertise in deep-well drilling and coming up with oil deposits far deeper than that of the level of “fossils”, abiotic oil at extreme depths was actually a Russian ‘state secret” for a long time.
    Not only that, but there are planetary bodies in which hydrocarbons are naturally occurring (without fossils).
    “Peak oil” and “fossil fuels” are discredited concepts that environmentalists and others are latching on to, in order to display their hatred of oil being a renewable resource as well as to push prices up.
    Follow the money.

    • Agree: Majority of One
    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @glib
  80. mikael_ says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    That is a bit of a logical shortcut by you.

    What did bring the downfall of US society:
    The US youth listening to Rock’n’Roll in the 60’s, or the Marxist ‘march through the institutions’?

  81. Agent76 says:

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    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-billionaires-wealth-rises-trillion-during-pandemic-amount-grow-bezos-2020-10

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  82. mikael_ says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    You are one of those people who really needs to read Martyanov’s new book, it seems.

    I left the US recently, as the societal collapse has become visible (to the astute observer) at least since mid-2017. ‘Spent force’ describes the USA well.
    And Europe won’t fare much better, as they are effectively just a (bunch of) US vassal states, just as all “Western” countries.

  83. Alfa158 says:
    @antibeast

    ?
    That’s right about us turning into Brazil del Norte, but El Presidente’s name is Biden. Did you notice we had an election last November, and Trump is now living in Florida, not the White House?

    • Replies: @antibeast
  84. @Bj0311

    Lenin had a little help from some (((friends))).

  85. mwee says:
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    @ Mis(ter)A
    Maybe, he’s good writing was used for a wrong reason – basically power entity in the US was telling it’s subjects: “If you do not allow us to rob you blind you will have this, and how do you like it”.
    Killings and gulags STOPPED after the March of 1953 but the system continued for another almost four decades.

  86. @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    A heavy trickle of Amish folk have moved into my neighborhood, which includes some of the last affordable, small-scale agricultural/horticultural land left in the US. Close to my home. a Mennonite family has opened up a farm-based, mostly bulk-foods grocery. Farmers markets are cropping up. Yet, waaay much of the tillable land has landed in the greasy hands of “successful” farmers with their ecologically destructive habits of keeping up with “progress”.

  87. @Bj0311

    To understand certain people, like Lenin or Stalin, is difficult for most people as it requires entering a foreign world. That foreign world is a mental space we don’t understand because we lack clinical experience in socio- and psychopathy. I recently read an article by a Mexican journalist about Ranierre-the Cult leader. I can’t remember where I read it but it included some excerpts from Ranierre himself who explained his own mental state. Truly scary guy.

    The article offers insight into human evil that is valuable. Destroying people was a motive for Ranierre. He enjoyed it. He kept woman half-starved and sleep deprived. He branded them. They could have tried to run away but stayed.
    I suggest that men like Schiff, Adelson and others pick out men like Lenin because they are destroyers. Plain and simple. Like picking a hammer or a shovel or both.
    Note that Ranierre’s co-accused included 2 Bronfmans who were also found guilty. I believe that this was a matter of like minded people coming together due to common interests: putting others in pain, watching them suffer and enjoying it. I believe this is the same motive that Bill Gates has as well as others like Schumer, Nadler, Allbright, Killary Clinton and Bush Sr.

    You may disagree with some names in my list but bear in mind some aren’t finished.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  88. Miro23 says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    The Amerkan proles could always bask in the glow of their ‘exceptionalism’, even as they became, more and more plainly, losers in their own land. I might be surplus to requirements, but I am Amerkan, and we’re Number One!!

    Amerikan proles were only explicitly targeted recently with the MSM going into high gear with their “White Supremacy”/ “White Privilege” propaganda.

    It’s a long time ago, but back in the 1970’s, I remember thinking that organized Jewry would one day attack Anglo society (when they judged that they had enough power). It would follow the precedent they set in Russia and Germany – quietly gaining key positions of power and deconstructing their host society until they could tip it over.

    IMO, 9/11 was their attempted coup – and it mostly failed (not quite sure why). Cheney’s Emergency Dictatorship only lasted one day, so now they’ve had to regroup and are preparing the ground for a new attack. Same Anglo target and the same totalitarian aim, although a new 2020 factor is serious information leakage (not such as problem in 2001) and a higher level of public distrust.

  89. @gnbRC

    Calvinistic Puritanism is indeed a cancer in the body politick. Calvin (whose family surname has been said to be originally Cohen) postulated the notion of “Predestination”, where those born into families with significant monetary fortunes were allegedly “divinely” chosen to prosper and to rule. This “chosen” schtick sounds kinda familiar to me. Anyone else get it?

    In more recent years it would appear that many Presbyterians have mellowed significantly, along with the main-line Protestants. At the same time the Judiechristie Magickmindfuck has lost traction as its core myths are laid bare. Sooner or later it was inevitable that Constantine’s program, which welded the ancient Hebrew WarGod Yahweh onto the template of the Imperial Roman state, would collapse under its own overloaded superstructure tottering upon the shifting sands of an impossible foundation. The destruction of Classical Civilization inevitably led to the Dark Ages where churchaholic superstitions saturated the dimming consciousness of the European peoples.

    The single worst American president was placed in office by the barons of highest finance in order to fulfill elements of their deepest agenda in subsuming the American experiment to their own globalist plans. Name of the guy was Thomas Woodrow Wilson, the man who brought in the “Federal” Reserve Act, federal income tax, direct election of senators and to polish off his “achievements” connived to shanghai the country into the First World War—on the wrong side, no less. Besides having been the chancellor of Princeton University when he was recruited by Morgan, Baruch and Lippman; Wilson just happened to be a very straitlaced Presbyterian preacher.

  90. Papa says:
    @Priss Factor

    The US is stable insofar as its consumption capabilities. If it can no longer act as the world’s glutton, then all those multinational corporations will just move operations elsewhere. Mass consumption is the only glue holding this mess together.

  91. Jmaie says:
    @Zarathustra

    US still will stand If People will buy US securities. The moment when People will stop buying US securities than the house of cards will fall. Not before. US will not disintegrate.

    You’ve not heard of QE? It’s what they call it when people won’t buy sufficient Treasuries to support spending in the style to which we’ve grown accustomed…

    You are correct the US will not disintegrate. At least I hope not, there’s enough military firepower lying around for factional fighting to cause some real suffering. With luck we will become unexceptional in the way the western European empires did.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  92. I don’t think I am alone in hoping the US government collapses sooner rather than later. Politics has lost it’s charm. Now we are all spectators to a kind of weird narrative machine that is aimed mostly at insulting us or telling us we are useless. Living in a post-American world will be a liberation.

  93. It’s not going to “collapse.” It’s just going to grow slowly and steadily shittier.

  94. @Miro23

    It’s funny how one can with a degree of plain common sense, that is, nothing else is needed, make a case for the validity of your post but also Mulga Mumblebrain’s post. There are very easy to observe “truths” in both of your posts, with, at the same time, questionable claims in both posts. It’s why I find this forum is so interesting and relevant. And then, Mr. Unz’s comprehensive treatments of some of these issues, act as a kind of check on the legitimacy of some of these posts. Unz is a reliable “fact checker”, for the most part. Most of the folks that post here have enough knowledge to at least make interesting claims. PEACE.

  95. Drew says:
    @Priss Factor

    Two points: First, global logistics are fragile, in the Taleb paradigm, because they are easier to disrupt than protect. That is, there are near-infinite points where catastrophic failure can be imposed on nearly every trade route, but reinforcing an entire trade route is impossible.

    Second, global trade takes lots of fuel. Oil and coal reserves are declining and no one wants mining/extraction operations for them in their backyard. Hydro, wind and solar power generation simply cannot generate enough electricity to make a switch from “gas” vehicles to electric vehicles feasible on a general level. Currently, the US lacks the will to pursue more nuclear energy plants. In sum, the ability to profitably export cross is largely predicated on stable or decreasing energy and transportation costs, but the current trends suggest the opposite is happening, which doesn’t bode well.

    • Replies: @Jmaie
  96. @HeebHunter

    Correct and well phrased. A.I. Solzhenitsyn was a Christian rather than those who continue to believe that the grotesque horrors of (((bolshevism))) can safely be forgotten or even endorsed. Probably most here will be familiar with his short “You Must Understand …” and his refs to 66 million Russian, not to mention many millions of others’ deaths, rapes, terror-regime occupations etc. etc etc.
    It must be squarely faced, Mr Putin, sooner rather than later.

    https://archive.org/details/SolzhenitsynYouMustUnderstandTheLeadingBolsheviksWhoTookOverRussiaWereNotRussians

  97. @Jake

    Jake. You have read some history, but not enough. Like the entirety of cosmic reality, events within the human dimension on this planet tend to run in cycles. Though you will refuse to accept the premise, the Judiechristie Magickmindfuck has run its course. This accelerating collapse of what has been called Western Civilization is co-adjunct with the grand 2,600 year cycle called the Precession of the Equinoxes. We are currently within the denouement of the Age of Pisces. The Age of Aquarius is fast upon us.

    In practical terms what does this mean? The original Jesusites, followers of perhaps our greatest spiritual way-shower, employed the FISH as their sign. Is it a coincidence that Pisces is symbolized by a pair of fishes? The Roman Emperor Constantine and his cronies created Christianity as we know it today. This essentially false religion is an amalgam of enslavement. One side of that duopoly of domination, is worship of the ancient Hebrew WarGod, Yahweh, instead of worldwide indigenous beliefs in Creator. Think about this. No creator in his right mind would favor a “chosen people” and demand blood sacrifices.

    Side two of this amalgam is slavery to an overarching state. The Roman Empire was such a tyranny. Combining Yahweh with Romanism was the Great Historical Double-Cross. It succeeded in destroying the scintillating Classical Civilization developed by the Hellenes, where Socrates taught Plato, who taught Aristotle. Philosophy, poetry, theatre, sculpture, aesthetically pleasing architecture and many other signifiers of high civilization just happened to be the highest civilizational lever ever developed in the Western world.

    Additional to, but not lesser than the destruction of higher civilization which was the product of the Constantinian amalgam; was the more gradual demolition of indigenous cultures which were highly integrated into balanced relationships with the natural world. Indigenous cultures were spiritually infused within a majority of traditional societies. They tended to be inclusive, rather than demanding the exclusivity found within all three Monotheistic traditions. Instead of DOMINATING the natural world, traditional cultures integrated themselves within the fullness of the cosmic matrix.

    So Jake, because of an ongoing acceptance of the monotheistic matrix as your underlying realityscape, you see tragedy in the accelerating dissolution of the final end product of Western Civ. Kick back. Read. Observe. There are a number of posters here on UR who are not only very learned, but also have graduated from a worldview which is essentially in its death-throes. Try not to react negatively to the unfolding of the deeper elements of the Great Cycles. Life is not linear. It is a spiraling circle of realization and creation. Take heart.

    • LOL: Bill
    • Replies: @mikael_
  98. @Priss Factor

    Yeah, along the same lines, the most popular Russian film in history is Night Watch. Just another dumbass vampire movie. I guess the lesson is, don’t get too optimistic about the savvy of the Russian populace. Their taste is still execrable.

  99. @Franz

    Martyanov observes that there is nothing in common between a white WASP farm worker from Iowa, a Jewish lawyer from Manhattan, and a black rapper from the Bronx. They view the world, America and their place in it differently, and those visions are irreconcilable.

    And yet it is highly likely that they all vote for Democrats.

    • Replies: @Herald
    , @Franz
  100. Schuetze says:

    “(I would add that descendents of White Russians like myself also remember the “democratic nightmare” under Kerenskii in 1917).”

    So Saker is a Red Army loving descendent of White Russians. I wonder how it feels to know that your grandparents would have despised you, to know that you are a lover of very communists they sacrificed their lives to try to stop? Of course this pretty similar to any southerner serving for the US Zio-Army whose ancestors fought for the Confederacy.

    The White Russians, especially those with German roots, also were a key founding group supporting the NSDAP, and the Freikorps earlier. Saker degrades and defames both of these organizations every single time he mutters the word Nazi.

    Here is an interesting podcast by ACH and Dr. Peter Hammond discussing Leon Degrelle’s book “The Eastern Front”. Saker’s white Russian ancestors would be as proud of Degrelle as they are ashamed of Saker.

    “We discussed: Leon Degrelle’s book “The Eastern Front” which Peter regards as the best first hand account of war he has ever read; why the main aspect of the Second World War was the conflict on the Eastern Front; how Leon Degrelle wanted his home country of Belgium to unite with Germany and fight against Communism; how there were a quarter of a million volunteers from thirty different countries that made up the Waffen SS which fought alongside the Germans on the Eastern Front; how long before the United States entered the war in 1941, they were supplying the Soviet Union with vast amounts of military hardware; General Patton’s view that we should have fought the Soviet Union instead of Germany; and many other topics.


    https://andrewcarringtonhitchcock.com/2021/02/04/ach-1444-dr-peter-hammond-leon-degrelles-real-story-of-the-eastern-front/

    • Thanks: mark green
  101. You make a strong point. The neoconservatives & their allies of convenience oppose and slander the Russians. Although not as much as Martyanov, they oppose and slander (by insinuation, New Yorker style) Solzhenitsyn–so much so that they’ve blocked the translation and publishing of his final work, “Two Hundred Years Together,” in English for 20 years. To them, Solzhenitsyn’s offense of being a devout Christian cancels his anti-Soviet publications and activism; for, he also opposes the cosmopolitan transgressions and corruptions of the West (as exemplified in NYC and Hollywood.) So, were the Russians to repudiate their story of WW2 moral heroism, would that action eliminate the Neocons’ hostility? I think the Russians are to the Neocons as the South is to the Liberals, the Blacks, and the other permanent defenders of Emmett Till and Leo Frank: permanently in need of punishment, if not extinction. The Neocons want, not repudiaton of certain aspects of identity and of the past, but whole conversion to the New World Order. The Russians not only refuse the NWO, they also are building Orthodox Churches almost as fast as the Deep State is undoing the Trump interim.

    • Agree: Ace
    • Thanks: mikael_
  102. TheIdiot says:
    @mikael_

    Your problem is that you have likely read “Gulag Archipelago” (an episode in history) but not even heard of one and only important Solzhenitsyn’s opus magnum: “200 hundred years together.”

    “200 hundred years together.” is the full story
    “Gulag Archipelago” – is an episode taken completely out of context

    Solzhenitsyn’s CRIME is that he gave sold off his country through “Gulag Archipelago”,
    but published the true story of “200 hundred years together.” after his Vaterland was destroyed.

    as to your a) b) and c) etc. do your research

    a) Gulag was instrumental in building industrial power base of the USSR and defeat of Germany
    b) ” The term “repression” can be interpreted in different ways. I limit myself to “political repression”, that is, those citizens who were charged with Article 58 of the Criminal Code (counter-revolutionary activities and other grave crimes against the state) and who were sentenced to death or other punishment.

    From 1921 to 1953 there were about 4 million such people. Of these, about 800 thousand were sentenced to death. In addition, we estimate that about 600,000 died in prison, bringing the total number of victims to 1.4 million.

    Do compare this number against millions innocent people who lost their lifes in your endless wars in the middle east or against the total current US prisons population which at any SINGLE given point in time is greater than Stalin’s TOTAL number of “repressed”

    c) Communism never existed on the face of the planet Earth. Not in the USSR, not in Eastern Europe or Cuba. No country has ever claimed to have build Communism. Your complete ignorance of the subject of Political Economy reveals you as a fully dully brainwashed average american.
    In order to avoid any future embarrassment, I would suggest you take the word “Communism” out of your dictionary or educate yourself a bit. An easy to start place are Lenin’s works on marxists.org.

    • Agree: yurivku
    • LOL: Ace
    • Replies: @mikael_
    , @mwee
  103. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    but its elites are uncultured, badly educated and mesmerized by decades of their own propaganda, which in the end, they accept as a reality”

    Americans grow up in a bubble and have an island mentality. They have no feel for foreign cultures, don’t know where any of these other countries are located and don’t care. That’s why people who are mediocre but know maybe two cents more than this low average end up being hailed as foreign policy gurus. This is why we have the Blinkens, Clintons, Albrights as secretaries of state, the blind leading the stupid. It’s particularly dangerous when a state like the US has huge numbers of nuclear weapons to threaten the planet with.

    • Agree: yurivku
  104. @ValMonde

    I like how you actually know something about Solzhenitsyn. Unlike the indignant fatouosities on here.

  105. antibeast says:
    @Alfa158

    Elections? What elections? Trump has declared himself El Presidente de la República Banana de América. For life. From the Orange House of Mar-a-Lago in Florida.

    ¡Viva el Presidente Trump!

    • Troll: Ace
  106. @Marshall Lentini

    The days of “hopeless” promiscuity ended in the US years ago. Now, a large percentage of boys are involuntarily celibate. This phenomena was greatly exasperated by the plan-demic lockdowns, which, with the bars closed and few places to mingle, has had a dire effect on the opportunity for casual sex. 80 percent of women pursue the top 20 percent of men. It’s much easier for the rest to masturbate to porn.

    The 2020 lockdowns will lead to a huge baby bust this year. How many young people want to bring children into Planet Lockdown, with little hope of things getting much better? With sperm counts dropping precipitously, the future for the Caucasian demographic is bleak, and the nuclear family is in crisis. Homosexuality and transgenderism are now favored by the Woke. If things are not turned around quickly, the end of the White Man (at least in the West) beckons. I hope that Russian men are smart enough and manly enough to avoid this terrible fate.

  107. Wyatt says:
    @Miro23

    IMO, 9/11 was their attempted coup – and it mostly failed (not quite sure why).

    It wasn’t a coup. It was just a simple false flag that became so embitteringly destructive that it poisoned what remained of American confidence in the government.

    Think about the jewish groups responsible for the various revolutions. In the 1848 revolution in Germany, jewish “intellectuals” attempted to overthrow the German government in the name of workers, but practically to establish greater jewish influence in German governance. It failed. In Russia in 1917, jewish Bolsheviks overthrow the government to establish communism, but got outplayed by Stalin rather quickly.

    Now, what is the jewish group behind America’s heel-turn? The neocons, former Trotskyists. What were their goals? Not to try and overtake the government, but influence it into an unalterable direction that achieved their (stated) goals. Destroy Arab nations that threatened Israel, threaten Iran and destabilize everything to allow for easy Israeli land-grabs. The neocons never wanted control of the US government. They wanted to put America on a crash course with Israel’s enemies from which there could be no return. They even said so in the Clean Break Papers. If an American leader tries to withdraw us from the ME, the jewish press, the jewish smear merchants and AIPAC will shit on them until no one wants to associate with that leader.

    That’s why Trump had so much hatred from the masters in the media. They didn’t care about the Mexicans in detention camps or Corona or whatever. They cared that he withdrew us from the forever wars. The only day the media called Trump presidential was when they thought he was taking us back to war in Syria. Barely a month in and Biden is already bombing the brown-o’s for greater Israel.

    Indeed, this soft power, the tail wagging the dog, has been much, much more effective than an actual coup attempt. If someone accuses you publicly of being an anti-semite, good luck recovering from that. If you don’t swear allegiance to Israel, they’ll either make you do it or just ruin you.

  108. Drew says:
    @RichardTaylor

    In fairness, the American Union has always been rather tenuous, even in the aftermath of the civil war. Since no one really seems to love all the other cultures they’re joined in union with, it’s reasonable to believe that the union will eventually dissolve

    • Thanks: RichardTaylor
  109. @RedpilledAF

    China, Russia, India, and Iran—the future.

    How the Talmudics fit into the future schema is the question, I guess.

    The Goys in the US (say 98%) have been raised in the ambience, the mythology of the tough guy, the rugged individualist. To get on one did down the other guy in a (sometimes?) preferably fair (dog-eat-dog) fight and made your fortune. This has put the Goys in a seriously disadvantaged position vis-a-vis the remaining ((2%)) who were raised in the ambience of looking after one’s own people. IOW the 2% succeeded not because they have a higher IQ, but because their MO has been superior in terms of furthering the careers of their whole population. (Well, most of it anyway.)

    Up against a society of rugged individualists, ((they)) have had an easy ride, but the Chinese, the Russians, the Iranians, the other SE Asians too, I guess, have the same supportive attitude to their own kind, at least in their own countries. (Call it Unashamed Racism, if you like, it will be hard to change!) As the Chinese, the Russians, Iranians and probably the others have IQs at least as high as theirs, I think they will find it much harder, post collapse, to take over all the leading positions, as they have in the present US. (Assuming they survive, that is.)

    • Agree: RedpilledAF
  110. @ruralguy

    I do not agree that the political barriers are insurmountable. what it would take is a simple revolutionary action by the people. go into the streets of Washington by the hundreds of thousands, even millions and take down the government if necessary and themselves carry out the necessary changes and reforms

    there are enough precedent for such action in human history and it is urgently needed in the US as we speak. it is the job of, the responsibility in fact, ordinary Americans to take their reality forward by taking over and doing the job directly

    the real law, the basic, undeniable and unchangeable law of any and all nations, is the people in collective action in their society, about their society, making the changes they want in collective action. they make the changes, make it stand and it is the law.

    do Americans know that? they ought to! they ought to know and go out and do the job of rinsing Washington out, changing and saving their country by changing the way it is run into a democracy that looks after them, after the USA and to kick all who have made it otherwise and their supporters out…not forgetting to arrest a bunch of them, the criminal ones and try them on the spot. and if found guilty to execute them right away

    no nonsense about insurmountable political barriers to successfully changing a desperate situation in which all American lives are threatened. there are no such barriers in the face of the collective people’s power, which is far far greater than any other social power.

  111. Herald says:
    @Dr ExCathedra

    And yet it is highly likely that they all vote for Democrats.

    Possibly so, but when did voting ever really matter.

  112. @Frederick V. Reed

    Wildly overpriced, no Kindle edition. I would like to have been able to read it..

    All my books had Kindle editions. This one will too. It is not released yet. Once it hits the stores so will Kindle format.

  113. Anonymous[366] • Disclaimer says:
    @ruralguy

    Martyanov missed IT big time..the core issue is IMMIGRATION and its corollary NATION(al) COHESION. Unlike Russia, China and even Israel…USA is NOT a racially, social, cultural HOMOGENOUS NATION..The new Biden regime will approve a massive largest historical AMNESTY for close to 30millions illegal Mexicans..most of them (90%) residing in the border states with Mexico (wtf). This amnesty and its official OPEN BORDER policy with Mexico will be the DEATH NAIL in the traditional AMERICANA, this will legalize 30million people that openly profess allegiance to the Mexican govt, !!! many of them supported BLMANTIFA the burning of the USA Flag and other US govt facilities during the summer of rage (2020). This will give Mexicans and its govt huge leverage over USA internal politics (seccession?), and will remake the american cultural landscape deeply pro mexico and antianglo. Blacks left Africa a long time ago, and there is NO Africa bordering the USA, other non anglo/white minorities had assimilated without bilingual education, dual citizenship and pledging allegiance to a foreign nation (mexico). Will the southern border states RESIST this massive onslaught ..how? will they be overwhelmed into a deep blue dem wave on antiwhite/anglo/antiblack/asian wave.? Will the USA break into regions;..Southwest MEXICAN, deep Mississippi black South, Midwest deplorables, and urban “whitewash” cyber millenians??? can it remain ONE?…IT is more than clear that BLACKS will be the biggest losers politically marginalized, with declining birthrates/high abortion rates, lower labor participations that demands spanish speaking skills… There is already a trend to “mexicanized” blacks..listen clearfully Mexicans in the USA are NOT demanding WORK/Family visas , they are demainding EXPRESS QUICK CITIZENSHIP…

  114. Saker asks “why?”. All started with the Federal Reserve which in turn enabled a ‘hostile elite’ to seize control of finance, media, academia, the courts and – by extension – the political system. Just look at the Biden Knesset, whoops, I mean Cabinet.

    With the fuse burning furiously on the demographic time bomb there’s no way back for America.

    • Disagree: Radicalcenter
  115. @Mark Humphrey

    Gee whiz. I just learned the United States is one of the world’s most violent and blood thirsty countries, second only to the former British Empire. I had no idea.

    But Wait! Someone should get ahold of The Saker and tell him about the history of the good ole USSR, which I’m pretty sure makes American history seem Pollyannaish in comparison.

    You illustrate the problem with a lot of USAmericans and Brits too. They don’t know the history of their own government’s actions and when they find out, they think that because “somebody else did worse”, that makes what their government did, “OK! forgivable, understandable”. It doesn’t. It a schoolyard level of thinking.

    If you think like that you will never understand what is happening in the present. You have to learn that this murderous behaviour is characteristic of people who think they are “exceptional” and there are plenty of those in governments today! IOW if it suits their book to snuff you out today, they will do so without a second thought. What’s more; immediately after the foul deed, they will go in front of the UN and complain about the “lack of Human Rights” in some far corner of the World.

    • Replies: @Mark Humphrey
  116. ValMonde says:
    @mikael_

    Wrong guess. Also an unintelligent one. I’m an observant Christian Orthodox.

    Regarding your request for evidence:

    a) is a strawman assertion, so it warrants no response.

    b) I would refer you to the works of Viktor Zemskov, a Russian historian who spent 50 years of his life in various penitentiary, NKVD and ministry of interior’s archives, in an attempt to evaluate the extent and put a number on Stalin’s political repressions. According to the sourced, verified and credible figures I’ve seen, as of January 1st, 1950, the Soviet penitentiary system counted some 2,760,095 prisoners (“К вопросу о масштабах репрессий в СССР”, В. Н. Земсков in Социологические исследования. 1995. № 9. С. 118-127). Compare this with the 2.3 million US penitentiary population today. Without going into details, according to Zemskov, in total and for the entire duration of the Stalin’s reign ( i.e. ~ 30 years), there were ~600,000 political prisoners and ~ 78,000 summary political executions. Sinister as those numbers might be, they don’t even start to measure to Solzhenitsyn’s astronomical numbers. For a comparison, that’s approximately the number of overdose deaths in the US for 2019 (Source: CDC WONDER).

    c) Solzhenitsyn expressed publicly the wish that the US nuke the USSR in a 1975 fiery speech he gave to New York Union workers (if I’m not mistaken). The topic has been discussed on Unz before. Solzhenitsyn idolaters and denialists typically claim that since it was not an open exhortation, he should be given the benefit of the doubt. In fact, he used a more efficient device: a rhetorical question. In substance, to illicit action he asked are you going to wait until the Soviets bomb you or are you going to bomb them first?
    Everyone present at that speech understood immediately what he was talking about. The press reported it the next day. He realized he had gone too far, so he quickly backpedaled:
    “My God, I was not calling for war, the US press distorted it…”(The New World, 1999, N 2, p. 83).

    • Replies: @mikael_
  117. I am having a difficult time trying to understand Andrei Martyanov’s viewpoints as a military historian myself.

    For example, having read part of his “Revolution in Military Affairs” book and found the his discussion of the “Thucydides Trap” rather overdone to the point of incomprehension as well as that it does not actually apply to the United States in terms of its penchant war.

    This is not to say that the US does not like to engage in conflict but it does so for a variety of reasons that have little to do with the “Thucydides Trap”.

    To begin with, the US’ penchant for expansion had its initial lust for violence soon after the American Revolution had completed, which was soon followed up with its conflicts with the push of American Indians westward until they eventually surrendered to their fates as a result of sociological exhaustion let alone the physical deprivations fostered upon them.

    The Mexican-American War in 1844 was our first big conflict with the intervening War of 1812, which may have been actually provoked by the British. In 1898, FDR started the Spanish-American War strictly for imperialistic reasons while he was the Undersecretary for The Navy.

    And with the turning of the century, the rest is history, practically none of which can be directly related to the “Thucydides Trap” in terms of motivation. This is not to say that the Bush II Administration did not set the stage for a “Thucydides Trap” style of motivation. However, there was a long foundation being built prior to the Bush Doctrine that led to the “Thucydides Trap” as simply being a veneer over everything else.

    In another part of his book, Martyanov uses military numerical analysis to determinethe capabilities between the US and other nations. However, his analysis, again, which may or may not be correct, does not take into account the lessor understood traits of American military capabilities such as the over-reliance on hi-tech, which causes an ongoing deterioration in the arts of soldiering. Of course, Hollywood shows us that US military operations are nearly always flawless in their execution.

    And the few Martyanov responses I have seen here, which verged on the nasty seems to be a reflection of this person’s overconfidence in one’s own opinions, which may or may not be correct but in my book, begins to rule out a person’s credibility.

    There is no doubt that Martyanov’s general viewpoints fall into the legitimate category, but one does not need a military analyst’s mindset to view them as such.

    Nonetheless, as the great philosopher, Yogi Berra once said, “Prediction, especially of the future is highly overrated…”

    • Replies: @ValMonde
    , @Tom Verso
  118. jsinton says:
    @Rich

    If the US hadn’t stood up to the invading communists in Korea and Vietnam, how much more blood would have been shed.?

    Rivers of blood would have been saved.

    The US is still the toughest guy on the block, and although it has at times been rough, it is still the most benevolent superpower in human history.

    Only a neocon would say such a thing.

    You guys will miss the US when its gone.

    They count the days until that happens.

  119. Alfred says:
    @El Dato

    Not thermodynamics, just diminishing returns

    People cannot afford oil at \$60 and companies cannot afford to produce shale for less than \$80.

    The economy cannot function even when the return is 5 times the investment.

    I suggest you read some of the articles by Gail Tverberg. She explains it at length.

    Why Collapse Occurs; Why It May Not Be Far Away

  120. @mikael_

    Gulags Gulags Gulags!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Oh my God!
    What were those terrifying Gulags?

    Gulags were actually lumberjack camps.
    What they were people doing in Gulags?
    They were cutting down trees, in Siberia and transporting them to Moskva.
    Why?
    Because Russians needed firewood to fire-up their Samovars.
    So people there did have good nourishment (they needed their strength)
    They did work all day, and in the evening they were watching television.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
    , @Seraphim
  121. @Mark Humphrey

    Genghis Khan is estimated to have killed 10% of the world’s population during his lifetime. Stalin came nowhere near that although he gave it a good try. By the way there are massive monuments honouring GK in Mongolia.

    • Replies: @Mark Humphrey
  122. Anon[272] • Disclaimer says:

    The Bible states that in the latter days the merchants of the world would lament the loss of the “Babylon that sits on the waters” that is “destroyed from the NORTH with a heat so great the elements shall melt.”

    Russian nukes would come over the top of the north pole. Just an observation. As woke is our military is, and as situationally lazy……one could see a something going down while people who are supposed to be watching the radar are watching a ball game, having sex, arguing identity politics, or looking at their phones.

    juz sayn’

  123. @Zarathustra

    I am so sorry! I forgot.
    Question!
    Who did own Gulags?
    Well? Jews of course who else!
    They were the ones selling the firewood to Russian suckers. Making a good profit. Exactly as God Jehovah instructed them.

  124. Alfred says:
    @Schuetze

    Orlov is a shameless warmist tyrant who blocks all comments from his blog disputing AGW. Orlov, even worse than Saker, never names the jew.

    I agree.

    Orlov is an egoist who is incapable of admitting when he made a mistake. I subscribed the lordly sum of \$1 monthly to his blog to see what he was up to – I had bought two of his books in the past.

    Orlov posted an article where he used the oil-depletion logistic model in order to make forecasts about Covid-19. 🙂

    I found this so ridiculous that I posted a comment that tore his argument apart. We have over 100 years of experiences with epidemics. We know a lot about how they grow rapidly and then collapse. An asymmetric progression.

    Orlov deleted my comment and cancelled my membership. It is a shame because he is a smart guy, but like many others he assumes that this smartness in one area extends over fields that he does not at all understand. I am glad he is not a billionaire like Bill Gates.

    A Simple Model of the Coronavirus Pandemic (April 14, 2020)

    • Thanks: Schuetze
  125. Tom Verso says:

    Why I Won’t Buy Martyanov’s new book!

    WOW! That is some kind of “Book Review” Saker.

    Or what YOU call a Book Review … Andrei’s mother couldn’t have written a better one.

    ………..

    I have read both of Martyanov’s previous books and many parts more than once. They are marked up with multiple highlighted text and marginalia.

    I disagree with Saker when he says:

    “[Martyanov’s] first two books are easy reads”

    That is true of the first one, but the second one (The Real Revolution in Military Affairs) is a very challenging read filled with (OMG) mathematical equations. Indeed, Martyanov wrote in the Preface to the book:

    “I tried my best, at the insistence of my publisher, to stay away from math or to simplify it. You the reader will be the one who will pass judgment on my success… in trying to avoid the getting into the calculus probabilities..”

    Nevertheless, I too could challenge Andrei’s mother, if I were to write reviews of his first two books.

    However, in his blog in recent months Martyanov has ‘telegraphed’ the substance of this his third book which in his words quoted by Saker:

    “[There are] no viable ideas or solutions to the current unfolding economic, social and cultural catastrophe can originate within these elites, who see the world only through the Wall Street and New York Times lenses.
    Real intellect, courage and integrity are simply not there..”

    Martyanov has express this idea in many different forms, many times on his blog.
    Any many times I have placed in the comments section my disagreement.

    In short the political, economic and financial elites are not … definitely not … lacking in “Real intellect, courage and integrity”.

    The reason Martyanov, and many many other social/political commentators think so, is because he/they confuse words spoken with unspoken ideas.

    The oligarchy (aka elites, 1%ers, etc) are wildly successful in achieving their unspoken goals of increasing their wealth and power. That is obvious and regularly documented in MSM media and counter culture media.

    People who amass hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars of wealth and control the political and economic systems of Western Civilization and large parts of the world, do not want for “real intellect”. Stupid people do not become billionaires and smart people do not stuggle to come up with the rent money.

    An often cited example of the ‘stupidity’ of the elites, that Martyanov cites on his blog and seems to be carrying over into his book, is the uncountable billions of dollars spent on military equipment that is inferior to the Russian equipment.

    As I wrote in one of my comments:

    Martyanov thinks that the purpose of the Pentagon is to fight and win major wars with Russian class adversaries. He just does not ‘see’ that the purpose of the Pentagon is NOT to fight and win wars with major adversaries.
    Rather, the purpose of the Pentagon is channel tax and bond dollars into the military industry to increases sales income and Wall Street interest income on the bonds.

    The military men and politicians and MSM commentators know that! They are not dumb. Dumb would be to tell the public that we are stealing your wealth though military spending and Bond financing.

    On the contrary, elites are wildly successful in convincing the masses that the money is spent in their benefit to protect them from a myriad of enemies (Russia, China, Iran, terrorist, neo-Nazis, etc.)

    In my opinion, based on reading about every thing Martyanov has published to date, I think he suffers from what I call the ‘Expert’s Fallacy. To wit:

    Expertise in one field does not carry over into other fields. But experts often think so. The narrower their field of knowledge the more likely they are to think so.”
    Robert A. Heinlein, The Notebooks of Lazarus Long.

    Whenever I see one of Martyanov’s blog posts on weapons I ‘pounce’ on it; read it carefully and take notes.

    However, as soon as I see ‘elites’, I still read, albeit with a ‘grain of salt’.

    Andre Martyanov is beyond a doubt a military weapons expert. And, I hold him in the very highest regard.

    But, he is not an historian or a social scientist. His ‘knowledge’ in those fields is anecdotal and ironically comes from the MSM that he criticizes.

  126. anon[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @Schuetze

    This. Orlov also cannot tolerate criticize. He is so conceited he was actually surprised at the reaction to the floating bathtub he designed. People who actually work on boats and sail for a living pointed out all the many shortcomings of his houseboat. He disregard their suggestions and since it was obvious they didn’t recognize his genius he insisted the they were wrong. That reaction alone tells me all I need to know about the BS he writes and the echo chamber he runs.

    • Thanks: Schuetze
  127. mikael_ says:
    @Majority of One

    If I’m reading you correctly,
    you’re saying Christianity is a bastard which then destroyed Platonism?

    That’s a tall order, I’d say.
    (Note: I also first had some difficulties about the choice of Monotheism for Christianity, but now I’ve come to understand my reservation doesn’t really apply.)

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  128. iffen says:
    @Mark Humphrey

    But Stalin was in a league of his own

    Well, Stalin wasn’t a “real” Russian, so for these people that doesn’t count.

    • Replies: @Mark Humphrey
  129. Herald says:
    @Rich

    Irony used properly can be very effective. Well done.

  130. @jsinton

    Meanwhile the propagandists try to convince us our problems are “white supremacy” and “gender bias”. The US has never been so morally, spiritually, economically, politically as weak as it is today.

    I would add “organizationally” to that list. The response to the virus has been, in fact, so feeble that I wonder if it is really that disorganized or is this being done deliberately?

    If this is, so to say “intrinsic”, the US had better stay out of a small war with China, because if it does not go nuclear and destroy the world, the US will destroy itself with home made muddle.

    • Agree: TheTrumanShow
  131. we need a parody song of this as the FINAL LOCKDOWN

  132. GoodTwin says:

    The US globalists are trying a new trick, that is why they are letting the country collapse (sure elite education is bad, but they can hire smart people and they do). The collapse and destruction is a feature not a bug: demoralized people will be more easily malleable. They want us softened-up as much as possible because the “fixes” to the manufactured crises are abominable. Regular gene-editing shots and total surveillance and tracking is just the beginning. A famine might be in order, too, just to make sure we are extra compliant. The overall principle is a common one in chess: achieve a slight advantage and then force sacrifices until your slight advantage becomes critical on the nearly empty board. Why bother having a functional military when you only plan on using it against peasants?

    • Thanks: Radicalcenter
    • Replies: @JasonT
  133. @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    The sadistic homosexual Klaus Schwab can be added to that list of sociopathic psychopaths.

  134. mikael_ says:
    @TheIdiot

    Communism never existed on the face of the planet Earth.

    Now that’s hilarious.
    If you’d said ‘Marxism never existed on the face of Earth’, I’d have accepted it – as Communism is Lenin’s ‘hack’ attempt to put Marxism into practice – but your Orwellian redefinition of terms is just too funny.

    So because you don’t count gulags as prisons, its and the Ukrainian famine deaths cannot be attributed to communism according to you, rrright??
    Go sell your drivel on some full-leftie website, here you will find few buyers.

    (Also very telling you don’t dare touch on ‘religion’ in response to my post.)

    • Replies: @TheIdiot
  135. mwee says:
    @TheIdiot

    Reply is usually thin lip grin with shifting eyes.

  136. mikael_ says:
    @ValMonde

    Very spurious reasoning on your side.

    First of all, “Soviet communism” stretched farther in time than Stalin.
    Second, you to limit ‘communism deaths’ to only the ones where Stalin, respective the then-government, signed an execution order, is a tiny bit unconvincing.

    And then that ‘rhetorical question’… yeah that was really a ‘nuke them from orbit, it’s the only way to be safe’ statement. Thanks, you just cleared up for me that you have no substance behind your assertions.

    • Replies: @ValMonde
  137. @Jmaie

    I do think that QE has its limits. There is limit how much cash can be pushed into system.
    Obama was pushing seventy millions per months for year and half.
    So QE would not even make negligible impact in case securities would be blocked.
    And how much stress printing machines can take? Not even talking about the inflation risks. In both cases sudden halt is inevitable.
    Also panic factor should considered. Panic all over the world.

  138. Alfred says:
    @anarchyst

    hydrocarbons are not only plentiful but are being renewed by yet-unknown processes deep within the earth.

    Over what time scale? Millions of years?

    How many miles deep? 20+ miles?

    Tell us of a single oil-field that has been “replenished”.

    The oil rush started in Pennsylvania in 1859 – 162 years ago. Why are the oil companies not queuing up to drill there?

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  139. ValMonde says:
    @Steve Naidamast

    US politicians usually justify their bloodlust wars with Thucydides Trap style rhetoric. “Let’s fight “X” there so that we don’t have to fight them here.” Most of us are old enough to remember Rice’s ominous warning about the “smoking gun becoming a mushroom cloud“. Granted, it’s part of the consent manufacturing process but it’s the public perception of an imminent danger that matters.

  140. Trinity says:

    Only fitting that Honest Joe Biden was selected as the “President” to reside over America in its last days as a major player. Honest Joe is old, weak, frail, incompetent, corrupt, traitorous to his own people, and some say maybe even a little bit sexually perverted. America has been sick for a long, long time and becomes even sicker by the minute. Even a mere 10 years ago, could you have imagined that every other commercial on television would feature a Black and White couple, even seen a Salt and Pepper couple where the actors were two old farts in their late 60s/early 70s. How about the commercial featuring two Black males kissing each other. Even a mere 10 years ago could you have imagined a transgender serving under Obama? Okay, maybe Obama, but not even Dubya or Whispering Bill, as morally bankrupt as those two goons were, would have selected a transgender for their cabinet pick. With the dumbest, frailest, most incompetent boob ever selected as our President in an obviously STOLEN election, and a cackling, incompetent affirmative action boob as the Vice President, the world is laughing at America. Everyone knows who runs America except American newscasters and Americans. Alex Jones claims it is the Chicoms, the Jesuits, the Muzzies, the Freemasons, and the Russkies. hehe.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  141. When you’ve been subjected to relentless revenge hate for the last 50+ years, no wonder whites have given up and surrendered to race hustlers and their guardians at (((BIG BIZ))). Government has grown so BIG, it needs an endless supply of cheap labor and imports to keep their puppet masters well supplied and financially satisfied.
    The lockdowns, masks, social distancing and collapse of small businesses is their final blow to weaken us. Their next phase is gun confiscation by executive order, with unannounced predawn raids carried out by heavily armed thugs in FBI/ATF/DHS/Department of Defense.
    We are at war. (See military occupation of DC).

  142. kemerd says:
    @ValMonde

    well summarized, indeed he was the useful idiot of the times like Navalyn today. He is not respected among Russians like any other traitor would have been.

  143. anonymous[108] • Disclaimer says:

    The parallels with the end-stage Soviet Union are impossible to miss by now.

    https://dougwils.com/books-and-culture/books/for-immediate-release.html

    What always happens is shit-for-brains provincials like Moscow, Idaho’s Bill Lambert taking the federal-level repression and running with it, in a characteristically rigid, OCD way.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  144. Skeptikal says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Decades ago I drove from San Francisco to New York City. It was my first trip west, and I had never been to the Midwest. I envisioned, driving through, say Iowa, that we could get off the highway and find great places to eat great American food. Like, diners, but local Midwestern diners where the food came from nearby, or was quintessentially American, or something. Pot roast; mashed potatoes; apple pie; cornbread.

    Well, we couldn’t find any decent food anywhere near the highway in Iowa, the breadbasket of the USA. The food was terrible. This was in 1980. I am sure the food has gotten worse by now. Like, worse than McDonald’s.

    This says something about food in the USA. Not all that there is to be said, but a lot.

    I guess there are butter mountains, cheese mountains, even frozen spinach mountains somewhere out there in the USA, ready to be packaged and shipped to supermarket shelves. In that sense I guess we have enough food here. But if the distribution systems break down—and they already have in many locations, where there are no supermarkets or other markets—you have people going hungry. Even those who were trying to keep food available for the food lines had insurmountable distribution problems last year such that mountains of food could not be gotten out of the field or warehouses and had to be destroyed.

    I guess people in Florida are OK, with all of those abandoned citrus groves and alligators in every body of water. Oh, and pythons. I think these amphibs are edible, even pretty meaty. And you can make shoes and handbags and belts and maybe holsters from their hides.

  145. anarchyst says:
    @Alfred

    Your reading comprehension needs improvement.
    Old depleted oil wells are “filling back up” from depths that are much deeper than the layers where “fossils” are known to exist. Oil is migrating from the depths…
    In fact, there are planetary bodies with no “fossils” that have abundant oil deposits.
    Ever hear of the La Brea tar pits or the vents on the bottom of the ocean that are constantly spewing out hydrocarbon products?
    Defining natural hydrocarbon products as “fossil fuels” is not only unscientific, but dishonest on its face.

    • Replies: @Rocha
    , @glib
    , @Alfred
  146. Skeptikal says:
    @Bill P

    “I lived abroad as a young adult, and that taught me an important lesson:

    The US is not the center of the universe. It doesn’t occupy all that much space in the rest of the world’s mind. Not to say they don’t pay us any attention, but it’s not as much as Americans think it is. When I came home I was surprised how many “important things” had happened that I’d never heard about while abroad. And that despite the fact that I made some effort to keep up with the news. The thing is, the culture simply didn’t surround me. That gave me an idea of how insular American culture can be. ”

    Same here. I spent my twenties abroad. Missed out on the Second Wave of feminism and a whole lot of other things. I was living in a different world and the USA didn’t interest me that much.

    Coming back was culture shock, which lasted for a few years. I wasn’t completely in the “USA cultural time zone” and kept mentally referring and comparing to Europe.

    Now I am theoretically aware of how insular the USA is but at the same time I also perceive that insularity in myself.

    Even though the two American continents are a pretty big chunk of real estate, I do think that the Eurasian World Island, spreading from east to west and vice versa, is a bigger canvas on which to live a life and from which to look out on the rest of the world.

  147. anon[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @antibeast

    And how many people came to Biden rallies? Like him or not he is popular, and, discounting massive fraud, won the election. And yet he is no longer in the whitehouse. Is the the behavior of a dictator?

    If you want to see what the enthronement of a dictator looks like watch some footage of Bides inauguration. I notice the only tool you people have in your kit is a simple form of projection. It is pretty obvious that you want people to think that Trump is aspiring to what Biden already is.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  148. Mark Hunter says: • Website
    @ivegotrythm

    Does it make sense now?

    A sarcastic rhetorical question, as if it makes sense.  My statement, and Martyanov’s, was about Russians and the Soviet Union, not Americans and the United States.

    In The Saker’s brief quote, which might make better sense in a context not provided, Martyanov equated the Russian people with the Soviet government.  America is another subject.

  149. JasonT says:
    @GoodTwin

    Good chess analogy. However, the problem with a slight advantage is a single mistake can turn the slight advantage into a losing game. Let’s hope that happens.

  150. dario says:

    Los americanos (for those willing to laugh at themselves)

    [MORE]

    Piero De Benedictis is an Argentine singer (though born in Italy) … He made famous a song (written by Alberto Cortez) called “Los Americanos”… Like much humor, it takes things that are true and exaggerates them to ridiculous levels. If you don’t like to laugh at yourself or to have others point out your foibles, stop reading now…

    LOS AMERICANOS

    They are born elderly and gradually become kids,
    Throughout the lifetime of los americanos.
    And they are born convinced that there is nobody in the world
    More important than los americanos.

    Napoleon for them was an Italian gentleman
    Who organized everything without los americanos.
    And they are more than sure that he wouldn’t have lost
    Waterloo with the help of los americanos.

    If they know anything about history, it’s not from reading it
    but from seeing it in the cine americano.
    With massive sets and grandiose music
    In the subtle style of los americanos.

    They have huge jaws from chewing so much gum.
    It’s common to see them, los americanos,
    Dressed in a thousand colors, all except black,
    Which doesn’t fit the taste of los americanos.

    When they get old, they dress up like tourists
    And head out for the world, los americanos.
    In organized trips with romance included
    Paid for eventually by los americanos.

    If there’s something to be admired, wherever they go,
    it’s the grand elegance of los americanos.
    Wearing native dress, they mix in with the people,
    And nobody realizes that they are americanos.

    And they always buy valuable antiques
    Recently antiqued, just for los americanos.
    Then they have their friends over to their homes
    To praise the fine taste of los americanos.

    And in night clubs, after a few drinks,
    They feel inspired, los americanos.
    It’s very common to find them dancing tirelessly
    Overflowing with the grace of los americanos.

    So my friends, that’s enough for now.
    I told you what I could about los americanos.
    And if you see them… if you see them
    Give my respectful greeting to los americanos.

    http://www.timothyarcher.com/kitchen/los-americanos-for-those-willing-to-laugh-at-themselves/

    Los Americanos, Alberto Cortez
    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBYjtD06fcs)

    • Replies: @ricpic
  151. kemerd says:
    @Tom Verso

    I would also think that US military and US oligarchs would suck the blood from the US nation by inflating prices of the hardware they produce. However, there is a remarkable consistency of coming up only with lemons for the last 30 years that it cannot be explained by such. Asking 10x the price is one thing, delivering nothing in return for trillions is completely another.

    One must also note that US industrial might is a thing of the past, what keeps US afloat now is only its military power, therefore procuring effective weapons systems is imperative but apparently they cannot.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  152. ValMonde says:
    @mikael_

    Second, you to limit ‘communism deaths’ to only the ones where Stalin, respective the then-government, signed an execution order, is a tiny bit unconvincing.

    It’s difficult to make sense of the above sentence. I assume English is not your first language. If I may suggest, reword and and give it another try. Also don’t forget to include your evidence and quote your sources.

    • Replies: @mikael_
  153. Franz says:
    @Dr ExCathedra

    And yet it is highly likely that they all vote for Democrats.

    Could be. Farmers hereabouts have been staying home, mostly.

  154. ValMonde says:
    @mikael_

    By the way, what’s

    perfectism?

    Wasn’t aware I was demanding that.

  155. Dayglowd says:
    @ruralguy

    All empires lash out at perceived, rather than real, enemies, to try to justify their pointless self-adulating existence as they collapse in to irrelevance.

    All empires deceive themselves about their relevance and importance because, quite simply, the original builders of the empire moved to the colonies to secure their existence.

    Those that inherit their ancestor’s success are not alpha or beta people, but the runts and parasitic classes that result from the advantages and success of the founders.

    And it is right that this is how it is. The proles have lived an unjustifiable high life at the expense of those their ancestors conquered and exploited, for too many generations.

    Not only the inept inheritors that comprise the political classes, but the limpid lazy mentally retarded common folk need to be trimmed down too.

    The US is over extended in the WWIII it started against Russia in 2016, and the US rulers exaggerate their effeminate military’s capabilities in just the same way they exaggerate their empire’s relevance by declaring their ‘indispensable’ nature.

    WWIII started five years ago and the US is losing badly without it even developing in to a full blown shooting match. The world awaits its ultimate demise. And with its collapse everyone hopes the UK, Israel and Saudi Arabia will follow it in to the same grave.

    So bring it on! Let the idiots have full rein in DC. Let the US people deceive themselves even more. Let the ridiculous liars like Mike Pompous et al, have their own way. The world awaits their defeat at their own hands with joyous expectation.

    • Agree: ben sampson, Alfred
    • Replies: @Trinity
    , @Majority of One
    , @gT
  156. @mikael_

    The former was a direct product of the latter.

  157. @Commentator Mike

    There are so many!
    You are correct sir. He should be sentenced to operate Kissinger’s bowel movements throughout their lengthy stay in Hell.
    My apologies if that image burns itself into your brain.

    For some reason I can’t get Nadler’s shart walk out of my head. Why?

    Seriously though. When I think of these people in Hell I cant help but think how I really cant stand these degenerates. I must continue to seek humility, pray, avoid any evil or harm to others and help them when I can. I cant imagine having to even be anywhere near these maniacs.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  158. Trinity says:
    @Dayglowd

    “WWIII started five years ago…” Nah, WWII never really ended is more likely the case.

    Think about it America, you sided with the (((Bolsheviks))) to defeat the Germans and then you along with the (((Bolsheviks))) and others helped enslave half of Europe under (((communism.))) And now it looks like (((communism))) is coming to the so-called, “land of the free and home of the brave.”

    Good thing “the good guys” won WWII. I mean just think where America might be if we were still nearly a 90% White nation. Oh, what progress we have made. SARC.

    • Agree: Ace
  159. @mikael_

    Mikael: Constantine’s aim was to strengthen the mythical foundation of the Roman Empire. A “bastardized”–to use your term– reformulation of the many developments which ensued from the spiritual messenger, as I see Jesus; into a single, monolithic entity, including a hierarchical priesthood and an approved “holy book” was the methodology which developed from Constantine’s general agenda. The committee, under Eusebius, took some two years to review masses of documents, scrolls, scriptures. Those ones which did not fit within the Imperial Agenda were excluded from consideration to become part of the approved bible.

    Cultures are built upon their mythologies. Constantine evidently had concluded that the ancient, traditional complex of mythologies undergirding the empire had run their course and needed to be replaced by a more gripping saga. Thus was the concept of Trinitarianism developed and so was the over-arching dogma of sin and redemption through the complicated mythification of Jesus dying on the cross to save humanity from its sins. Heaven or Hell. A silly, bifurcated idea, if. you take the time to think about it.

    But that “old time religion”has now run its course and is overdue for a major overhaul. A series of scientistic true believers in rationalist materialism attempted to place their belief system in the drivers’ seat and is fast becoming to those who ken its ultimate emptiness, its inherent lack of meaning, as nothing more than a cultural dialectic which has also run its course as it does not address the inner needs for harmony and connectivity which Christianity attempted to provide.

    So to answer your question, Michael, Christianity as per its adherents and believers, did not destroy the wisdom of the ancient Hellenes. The destructive force was dogmatic and fanatical Monotheism, an exclusivist mania which insisted that for all who fell within its cultural zone: “Its my way or the highway. All too often dissenters were burned at the stake as object lessons to keep the peasantry in line. Doesn’t sound like the spiritual message of Jesus and his earliest followers to me.

    • Replies: @Kapyong
    , @mikael_
  160. @rab352

    Thanks, I’ll read your link.

  161. @Dayglowd

    Interesting take. You will need to explain just exactly WWIII began specifically in 2016. Did this development, or did it not, have anything to do with Trump’s defeat that year of the Anointed One?

  162. @Mark Hunter

    They had as much power as any ordinary citizen in a mass society of tens of millions. That is, not much. Every society has laws, police, prisons, judicial repressive systems etc. In the ‘Free World’ (the expression makes one wish to gorge oneself, in order to vomit the more)EVERY ‘freedom’ is a matter of money, ie a commodity. Save the one great ‘freedom’-to top yourself when you’ve had enough. The Soviet citizens lost virtually free housing, education, healthcare, public transport-all the little things that make like more bearable.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  163. @Majority of One

    I knew Justinian-Biden ain’t no Justinian. The plague bears a certain resemblance, however.

  164. @Wally

    You won’t have much time to retrieve your beloved oily detritus before the climate destabilisation that its combustion is producing, washes all your dreams of greed away.

  165. windwaves says:
    @Priss Factor

    this is so true. The comparison does not stand. The US economy today while in disarray is still extremely strong compared to the late USSR. It nonetheless in vast decline, we can all agree to that.

  166. Rocha says:
    @anarchyst


    Fletcher Prouty explained it best.
    Don’t understand why people can’t understand that oil is abiotic.

    • Thanks: anarchyst
  167. Smith says:

    Can’t come soon enough.

    The sooner USA is down, we can talk about dealing with China, the rising empire.

  168. TheIdiot says:
    @mikael_

    you say

    just because I bothered to read the works of Lenin and Stalin, I am a “full-leftie”, but
    here is a surprise to your “logic”,
    because I also bothered to read, among many other books and unlike you

    the Talmud – which makes me a devoted Jew?
    Mein Kampf – which makes me into a Fascist?
    King James Bible – making me Protestant?

    So using your UNEDUCATED TROLLING “logic” I can be now declared

    a “full leftie” jewish protestant fascist;
    this is what you and your MSM are doing all day long – labeling people

    just wasted my time reading and answering your disgusting trolling garbage

    • Replies: @mikael_
  169. Jmaie says:
    @Drew

    Second, global trade takes lots of fuel. Oil and coal reserves are declining

    We’ve been running out of oil for decades. The reserves of cheap-to-pump oil may be declining, but the US is now energy self-sufficient despite record usage.

    By 2023 the first generation bio-fuel container ships will be plying the high seas. Diesel trucks can easily be converted as well. Currently we use oil for economic reasons, when/if bio-fuel is cost competitive** you can be assured assured of the switch. What we will not do is go back to local subsistence farming…

    **Whether by a drop in the cost of bio-diesel, a hike in the cost of petroleum or both

    • LOL: Alfred
  170. babu says:
    @Franz

    that is precisely why I chose to immigrate to this ethnic zoo.

  171. Seraphim says:
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Perhaps because M. grew up and was brought up in the Soviet Union in the time of the intense anti-Solzhenitsyn character assassination campaign which followed his expulsion from USSR (he did not flee the country as it is too often suggested). It is doubtful that he ever knew anything else about Solzh. (his books were banned in the SU). And in the US he stumbled upon the same campaign of character assassination, perhaps more vicious than the Soviet one. And perhaps because there are still lots of people for whom only the ‘bolsheviks’ are ‘Russian patriots’, whose vision of pre-Communist Russia is the ‘Leyenda Negra of Russia’ (which has the same origins as the Spanish Leyenda Negra).
    And for a professed ‘bezbozhnik’ the most offensive declaration of Solzhenitsyn is: ”But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous Revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: “Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened”.

  172. @Rurik

    Your thesis is sound.

    The Russians should cleanse themselves of their Soviet remnants.

    The Americans should do the same.

    I fear it is too much of an ask for American white men, particularly white men with ties to the state as cops, soldiers, and spooks.

    America has its Soviet-like remnants. It also has Soviet-like roots. Defined broadly, “soviet” means of or having to do with the USSR.

    America’s formation was occasioned by a revolution promising life, liberty, the protection of private property and the pursuit of liberty. The revolution also promised manumission from the burdens imposed by a monarch. The October revolution promised no more Tsars.

    The American revolution delivered a life of bondage to the most murderous and rapacious sovereign in the history of the world and a life dominated by petty boyars and their oprichina.

    Unlike the USSR, America provided for the de jure enslavement of men, whereas the Soviets made it a matter of routine, in fact.

    America took in the 48ers who came here fresh from their failed revolutions only to come here and kill for Lincoln.

    You know of Chivington at Sand Creek; Custer at the Washita; and Camp Grant. Do you think most white men of deep state, constabulary, military or surveillance background would simply accept the fact that such white men of yesteryear frequently Burned, Looted, and Murdered defenseless women, children, and elderly indians? Do you think most such white men would openly acknowledge to the world that such white men of yore committed war crimes and that they (today’s white man) renounce the same?

    Some dissident rightists, civnats, and normies who think themselves wicked smart are prone to impulsively spout “the myth of the noble savage” in reply. That the North American Indians were nomadic savages who frequently butchered each other does not justify the commission of war crimes against them by white parasites on the state’s payroll.

    You know of the Dresden fire bombings; the mass murder and starvation of German soldiers; and My Lai.

    You know of Gordon Kahl; the assassination of Randy Weaver’s wife; and the arrest and prosecution and vilification of Kyle Whittenhaus.

    Do you think white men of state will come forward and denounce all of the above?

    White men like you and me have no problem telling the bluecoats to go fuck themselves.

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @Rurik
  173. glib says:
    @anarchyst

    As Alfred correctly states, the time scale of replenishment is millions of years. As a matter of fact, oil shale, which is basically a process to accelerate the maturing of kerogen, is trying to do in a short time what geological processes would give you for free, if you only had the patience to wait a few million years. And oil shale does not work, it has a EROEI very close to 1 (you need to consume one barrel of oil to produce one barrel of oil). So I insist that all that plentiful oil, which is there, will stay where it is.

    Empires have always met new challenges. Their collapse was due to a combination of weakening and strong challenges. No empire has survived resource depletion, and the US is more dependent than most on a particular resource. You should get out of Detroit, which I did in July, and get somewhere safer. There will be all sorts of declines in the world now, but cohesive, energy-sparing societies will do better.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @anonomojoe
  174. glib says:
    @anarchyst

    And you obviously fail to recognize that the filling takes millions of years. You should go to Pennsylvania and dig 20 meters wells, you will become a billionaire selling all that bountiful sweet crude that oil companies are neglecting.

    The whole direction of the industry, trying to exploit immature fields, which take much more energy to exploit, gives the situation away. You live in this illusion because during the period 2008-2020 Wall Street was willing to spend billions (of money created out of thin air) to extract millions of dollars of light crude, through a process known as “fracking”. Those wells consume too much energy and decline after 3-5 years. feel free to look for fracking bankruptcies in the last two years, it is a long list. Even sour has been declining, and now we are down to bitumen that is excavated with back hoes in Alberta and transported with trucks and trains. You are only one small tick up in the consciousness scale, compared to those who think renewables will save us, but your conclusions and the renewable crowd conclusions look eerily similar.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Thanks: Mark G.
  175. Rubicon says:

    What may be alien to Russians is and has remained America’s predominant belief in”Manifest Destiny.” Behind this driving force, as early settlers started moving westerly, along with the small US government it was used to destroy most of the land’s originals: Native Indians and they’re many tribes.
    They were considered “savages” and had to be destroyed to accomplish Manifest Destiny.
    Ditto with any outside nation (Spain, England, the French.) This mantra seeped through the pores of most all Americans.

    We would strongly recommend Russians and others who study the current Empire, to spend considerable time reading about this concept, for without it, you will never truly understand why America has become what it is today.

  176. Anonymous[737] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tom Verso

    Martyanov thinks that the purpose of the Pentagon is to fight and win major wars with Russian class adversaries. He just does not ‘see’ that the purpose of the Pentagon is NOT to fight and win wars with major adversaries.
    Rather, the purpose of the Pentagon is channel tax and bond dollars into the military industry to increases sales income and Wall Street interest income on the bonds.

    That’s the “broken windows” fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_fallacy

    The US has spent its capital flow on immediate consumption described in https://www.unz.com/tsaker/book-review-disintegration-by-andrei-martyanov/#comment-4501629 and now it cannot produce the goods / raw materials needed to support its population, or to trade for such goods. Same thing as happened to the old USSR.

    If you want to see the same thing first hand, take up gambling for a hobby and try living on your credit card and shaking down the neighbors to make up the losses.

  177. Anonymous[975] • Disclaimer says:
    @Redneck farmer

    Yes indeed that’s why even the preachers got into the act to attack Iraq all of those who pull the levers of government (and the billionaires behind them) think we are exceptional, we are the shinning light on the hill the great arbitrator among nations which we mean it’s our way or back to the Stone Age, sounds like you got sucked in to the vortex and can’t find your way out.!!!

  178. Anonymous[975] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rahan

    I wonder if they would wish for what the failed Reagan policies brought which led to globalization and everything it brought with it from a failed health care system to a failed educational system for his friends in the business/banking sector.!!.!!!

    • Replies: @Rahan
  179. Alden says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    The people lined up at food banks don’t go away hungry. They go away with big bags of food. Most cities and towns have several food banks. Many go to a different bank 3 or 4 times a week. Many immigrant convenience store owners send their elderly immigrant relatives on unearned SSI to pick up the food. Which is then sold in the convenience store. Next time you buy a package of potato chips with a crumpled bag or stale pastries, you can bet the package was from a food bank.

    People go hungry in countries where there are no food banks.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  180. glib says:
    @ValMonde

    In fact, Solz and Kourganov were wrong by two orders of magnitude. Now where I have seen, in contemporary western “religion”, such a huge disconnect between real and official number of victims? Wally, any ideas?

  181. @foolisholdman

    Your assumptions about what I think are mistaken.

  182. @Irish Savant

    Thanks but in sheer numbers my point stands. Not that there are not plenty of other bastards.

  183. @iffen

    Yeah. But he was a real communist.

  184. @dindunuffins

    The death of a successful civilization is due to the barbarians within the gates.

  185. @anon

    ” What “Zone A” people require is a critical consideration of what and why of demise and degeneration of their “zone”.”

    Is there a laugh track to go with that comment? People can seldom think outside of what their emotions or others emotions tell them. They are animals domesticated by government.

    • Agree: Biff
  186. Tom Verso says:
    @Steve Naidamast

    You write:
    “I am having a difficult time trying to understand Andrei Martyanov’s viewpoints as a military historian myself.”

    Yes, I agree. That is my point in comment # 130 were I write:

    “Andre Martyanov is beyond a doubt a military weapons expert. And, I hold him in the very highest regard.
    But, he is not an historian or a social scientist. His ‘knowledge’ in those fields is anecdotal and ironically comes from the MSM that he criticizes.

    Expert’s Fallacy:

    “Expertise in one field does not carry over into other fields. But experts often think so. The narrower their field of knowledge the more likely they are to think so.”
    Robert A. Heinlein, The Notebooks of Lazarus Long.

  187. Erik83 says:

    You don’t know Eastern Christianity all that well if you think that only by accepting Latin Christianity can a society advance. When western Christians were going through their dark ages and living in capital cities with barely 60,000 people, the Orthodox/Eastern Christians had cities closer to half a million or more and were advanced in the arts, sciences, literature, philosophy and of course theology.

    The rest of what you say does make sense but heaping all the scorn on Germanic states and peoples is going a bit too far.

    If you haven’t noticed, many of the most important inventions of the last 400 years were made by people of Germanic origin. I would focus more on protestantism, which as you probably well know is now a global epidemic via all the tent rival churches spread far and wide during the past century.

  188. Anonymous[246] • Disclaimer says:

    The author remembers 1917? Try “my grandparents got screwed.” Stop lying, author.

  189. Kapyong says:
    @Majority of One

    The committee, under Eusebius, took some two years to review masses of documents, scrolls, scriptures. Those ones which did not fit within the Imperial Agenda were excluded from consideration to become part of the approved bible.

    Not according to the minutes of the meeting and the formal covering letter :
    https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3801.htm

    Nor those present at the meeting :
    https://www.roger-pearse.com/tertullian/rpearse/nicaea.html

    Nor the history of the NT canon :
    http://ntcanon.org/authorities.shtml

    Nor do Eusebius’ writings about the council say anything about deciding the bible canon (from Roger Pearse) :

    Eusebius, Vita Constantini, Book III, ch.6ff.
    This describes the council without mentioning Arius and concentrates on the harmonisation of the date of Easter. Later it gives the text of an edict by Constantine against heretics and schismatics, ‘Novatians, Valentinians, Marcionites, Paulians, you who are called Cataphrygians’, banning their meetings and confiscating their buildings. Eusebius goes on to say without quoting that a search was also decreed for their books in order to identify the heretics (although no details are given of what happened to the books).

    Eusebius, On the Feast of Easter/De solemnitate paschalis/ (PG. 24.701)
    According to Quasten 3 p.339 the work is not extant but a substantial fragment exists in the Catena on Luke by Nicetas of Heraclea. The text of this appears in Migne, 24, cols. 693-706, and so, in Latin translation, which I have. It does not seem to exist in English, but a kind gentleman has made us a translation from the Greek, which is now online. As can be seen, chapter 8 does mention the decision of the synod about Easter, but says nothing of interest to us. The text contains no other references.

    It’s just an urban legend popularised by Dan Brown’s book of fiction, not supported by historical evidence, and belied by the actual evidence.

  190. Stogumber says:

    Well, I am on the whole pro-Russian, and I have always criticised the neocons for transferring anti-communist sentiments into anti-Russian sentiments.
    That said, I am somewhat aggrieved to see that the modern Russian intellectuals’ ideas about the U.S. are simply the same propaganda points which were used by Stalin, Khrushtshev and Breshnev: the United States will collapse soon by its unsolved internal problems. Well, the U.S. did not collapse in the times of Stalin, Khrushtshev or Breshnev, so this was nothing more than wishful thinking.

  191. Richard B says:
    @RichardTaylor

    The Big Collapse, in which the whole North American continent, with all its power and wealth, just vanishes, is a pipe dream.

    Maybe that’s why the book is titled Disintegration and not The Big Collapse.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  192. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    The Soviet citizens lost virtually free housing, education, healthcare, public transport-all the little things that make like more bearable.

    Well if it is a choice between having your basic existential needs satisfied while worshiping some great leader personality cult and relinquishing the right of expressing your religious convictions and dissenting political opinions in public or living in a society run by a few mega billionaires getting ever richer at the expense of impoverishing masses who can pray to God and vote for some approved political parties I guess I’d prefer the former, but it shouldn’t have to be that way.

  193. The US killed many more than Stalin. But spread out. Helping you boneheads to get away with supporting the Imperial Reign.

    • Agree: Drapetomaniac
    • Troll: mikael_
    • Replies: @Drapetomaniac
  194. Seraphim says:
    @Zarathustra

    I suspect that your reply is tongue in cheek.
    GULAG/ГУЛАГ is the acronym for ‘Glavnoe upravlenie lagerei, Главное управление лагерей, ‘Main Directorate of Camps’. Strictly speaking there was only one GULAG.
    ‘Gulags’ is a metonym for ‘labor camps’ used in English. Russians never called the camps ‘gulags’ but ‘лагеря, lagerya’ and the ‘зона, zona’.
    The use of ‘gulags’ instead of ‘lager’ is to avoid a possible comparison with the infamous ‘Arbeitslager’, ‘Konzentrazionslager’ (the only ‘lagers’ that should be eternally condemned). Of course they were not ‘lumberjack camps’ (what trees could they fell in mines? at Воркутлаг- Воркутинский исправительно-трудовой лагерь?).

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  195. @Richard B

    It’s a fair point and there may be some disintegration coming. I can’t figure out what will happen but I suspect the divide between the White countryside and the urban POC/liberal White Yuppie divide will grow.

    • Agree: Richard B
    • Replies: @Richard B
  196. @Alden

    Yes, but how long will the food-banks last. Of course the USA also wastes huge amounts of food, but its agricultural bounty is threatened, by anthropogenic climate destabilisation, loss of groundwater, loss of topsoil, increased pollution by agri-chemicals and GE crops, dependence on hydrocarbons for machinery, fertiliser and pesticides, intrusion of salt-water as sea level rises, spread of pests and diseases etc. Your point is well made, but temporary, I would say.

  197. @Anonymous

    Or as Krugman the buffoon noted, on the money for once-‘The US dollar is backed, as world serve currency, by men with guns’.

  198. @Jmaie

    Bio-fuels are as bad, or worse, than hydrocarbons. DEAD END. The capitalist cancer must be reduced in size and intensity, then excised entirely, not fed with new nutrients.

  199. Rahan says:
    @Anonymous

    During the second half of the eighties and the first half of the nineties, it could be argued that a lot of bad seeds were planted in the Anglosphere as a whole and much of the West.

    From the outside, however, this period, or even its expanded version (1980 – 2000) looked like a golden utopia from the point of view of the inhabitants of first a crashing and burning Soviet empire, and then roaring 1990s thug-centric post-Soviet societies.

    And to this day this external image of the West of 1980 – 2000 is the ideal of all Eastern adults above Zoomer age. When they argue with each other of for example “how to make Slovakia better” or “how to make Moldova better” they point to various example from the West’s “golden age” (as they perceive it) and to whatever remnants of it can be found today.

    Russia has developed over the last couple of decades an increasingly “Eurasian identity”, but the rest of EE to this day fetishizes the (imaginary or not) golden age of the West, and mostly try to pretend that whatever is currently happening with the West is some sort of temporary misunderstanding that will be over any day now. Because this phantasm of the EE about the West is what helped them throw off Soviet-style communism and power through the chaos of the 1990s and what motivates them to at least periodically pretend to try and transcend their limitations to this day.

    The world presented by the US and UK suburb-centric sitcoms of the 1980s and 1990s formed the aspirations of the EE populace, and admitting that this era of the West is fast coming to an end, perhaps even by next year, would be very traumatic and demoralizing.

    • Agree: Alfred
  200. Anonymous[220] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Thanks to the Antifa riots, followed by subversion of the Trump crowd in DC, there isn’t a lot of sympathy for people rounding up a crowd to try strong-arming a city council. If you’re interested in history, that path ends up with the freikorps, (https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Freikorps), so prominent in Jewish folklore and apparently considered to have been worse than even the Cossacks, that they are never mentioned in the mass media.

    You might try campaigning against the city council next election cycle. As it is, the ability to gather a mob and try for a cancellation is getting repulsive.

  201. Seraphim says:
    @Kapyong

    Do you think that the majorities of one are capable to read anything beyond dan browns type of literature? If they read it at all, my guess is that they watch the film. In general their ‘knowledge’ is drawn from youtube entertainment videos which pass as ‘science’.

    • Replies: @Kapyong
  202. ValMonde says:
    @Seraphim

    there are still lots of people for whom only the ‘bolsheviks’ are ‘Russian patriots

    Bolsheviks built the biggest empire on earth. Of course they were patriots. As to Solzhenitsyn, he called for nuking the USSR and allowed the West to use him as a Cold War tool. This is not what patriots do. In this respect, he’s always compared to Varlam Shalamov. As a trotskyist, Shalamov was sent to labor camp twice. Despite going to hell and back and to hell again, Shalamov remained a devout communist and a sincere patriot. Incidentally, he’s also a much better writer. I recommend reading his Kolyma Tales.

    “…the ruinous Revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people…”

    Solzhenitsyn kept throwing around grotesque deaths numbers, as if they were Party confetti. On different occasions he cited “50 to 60 million” “66 million” and “110 million”. A million here, 5 million there… When you try to show how angry you are at the communists, you lose track.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  203. ValMonde says:

    With simply a public statement, repudiating the crimes and imperialism of the Soviet era, and honoring all European efforts to remove all memorials to that monstrous period of history (….) would herald a new, triumphal moment in Russian and European relations, with mutual respect and an eye to mutual cooperation

    Naive and misguided beyond words. NATO today is what the Wehrmacht was in 1941. We ran through those monsters then, we’ll run over their time clones tomorrow. Russia is the only “Europe” that’s left there.

  204. @Trinity

    Honest Joe is old, weak, frail, incompetent, corrupt, traitorous to his own people, and some say maybe even a little bit sexually perverted.

    You meant to say Donald Trump.

    Maybe Biden isn’t much better, but it can’t be good for the US when the same description is perfectly valid for both rivals for power.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  205. @Anonymous

    The US has spent its capital flow on immediate consumption described in https://www.unz.com/tsaker/book-review-disintegration-by-andrei-martyanov/#comment-4501629 and now it cannot produce the goods / raw materials needed to support its population, or to trade for such goods

    Sorry, this is utter nonsense. The US produces huge surpluses of food and raw materials. Moreover, amazingly the US still finds billions of people abroad willing to give the US goods and services in exchange for US dollars, despite the best efforts of Russia, China and cryptocurrency enthusiasts to change that. That state of affairs is likely to last at least another decade. The US also looks poised to come out of the Corona crisis in much better economic shape than the EU, which at least in the short term is going to make anyone predicting an imminent American collapse look pretty stupid.

    If anything, the US is dying from overabundance. The population is fat, spoiled, increasingly stupid and unable to navigate the vast consumer and information smorgasbord the elites throw in front of them. Even the elites are “getting high on their own supply”. I can see plenty of reasons for pessimism, but it won’t be for the reasons Martyanov cites.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  206. mikael_ says:
    @Majority of One

    Wow, what a hodgepodge of an opinion.

    You come up with an elaborate story of meddlers and schemers who created Christianity.
    But you completely fail to present just a single point where you thought extremely hard and deep, understanding the truest basics of Christianity -which by the way requires not taking everything literally-, and then here refute it or show it still was somewhat superficial and there is an even deeper, truer truth underneath it. Without the latter, your criticisms rings hollow.

    One central realization of Christianity is ‘[large-scale] perfection is impossible [on Earth], as all humans are flawed, fallible, and sinners.’ I do assume Jesus was human -at least while on earth-, and the bible was written by humans. Draw your inferences from those!

    Christianity places perfection therefore in the other, heavenly world, and as that is where God resides, he/she/it can be perfect and Monotheistic, while at the same time the monotheim doesn’t limit or cage human interpretation of it, as all humans are flawed so every human interpretation can still be criticized.

    You display tendencies of Positivism-type logical shortcuts:
    -Trinitarianism provides ‘a more gripping saga’? Maybe I’m slow, but the trinity and all its parts, was one of the most difficult to understand concepts of Christianity. Not gripping, but puzzling, off-putting, and even more confusing at first.
    -‘Jesus dying on the cross to save humanity from its sins.’ I disagree with that dumbed-down interpretation. Jesus, in a way, died on the cross to give every human an opportunity to overcome their previous sins, or those of their ancestors. There is nothing automatic in it, it still requires hard and continuous work to overcome one’s previous sins.
    -Heaven or hell are [Jungian] archetypes; archetypes are extremely useful when discussing the deepest truths.

    Your second last paragraph is completely bizarre.

    rationalist materialism […], its inherent lack of meaning, […] has also run its course as it does not address the inner needs for harmony and connectivity which Christianity attempted to provide

    a) ‘rationalist materialism’ – so what is the (bigger) problem here, the rationalist or the materialist part?
    b) so the lack of meaning mainly arises from missing (mostly non-rational) harmony and connectivity?
    c) so what I would term “Modernity” has run its course, we need something to replace it
    d) but it has also run its course, you say, and Christianity attempted something which implies it seems to have failed.
    So what’s your conclusion, we need to come up with an entirely new 4th path? (there is an… East-European thinker who basically states that, cannot find his name or website on the quick now; [‘4th way’ means after Plato, Christ, Modernity])
    That is a completely boneheaded idea, and the funniest part is that it is founded on key pillars of [failed] Modernity: history is linear, meaning we cannot go back (and therefore historical truths need to be ignored), plus greater perfection is still the key to our salvation [just as Modernity’s!]

    At least we agree that Christianity did not destroy the wisdom of the ancient Hellenes. In my opinion, Christianity took Plato as a foundation and as its biggest feat added the [earthly] imperfection, [heavenly] perfection duality to build a viable sustainable model for society.

  207. mikael_ says:
    @TheIdiot

    Trying hard to deflect from your

    Communism never existed on the face of the planet Earth.

    bullschiff?

  208. mikael_ says:
    @ValMonde

    Do you have reading comprehension issues?

    On the topic of Solzhenitsyn giving a number of 50 million deaths [directly caused by Soviet communism], you replied

    Without going into details, according to Zemskov, in total and for the entire duration of the Stalin’s reign ( i.e. ~ 30 years), there were ~600,000 political prisoners and ~ 78,000 summary political executions.

    So what am I to make out of that?
    To me it clearly reads as you declaring “under Stalin’s reign [of Soviet communism], only 78,000 people were killed.”

  209. @Rurik

    Apart from the monuments issue that is costing them a lot of sympathies I also notice their victory parades are getting bigger;
    clearly they are pandering to European and USraeli anti-Germanism in hopes of making good weather.

    I have the highest respect for Lavrov but I do not quite get his game.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  210. antibeast says:
    @foolisholdman

    ¡Viva el Presidente Trump!
    ¡Viva los Trumpistas del Mar-a-Lago!
    ¡Viva la República Banana de América!

  211. antibeast says:
    @anon

    And how many people came to Biden rallies? Like him or not he is popular, and, discounting massive fraud, won the election.

    Trump may or may not have won the elections but that’s not the point of the political coup which put Biden in office whose reign betrays the Globalist contempt for ‘dumbocracy’ and its discontents as exemplified by their useful idiots, the Trumpistas.

    Trump reminds me of Peron who led Argentina from being one of the richest countries in the world to becoming the Banana Republic that it is today. With the Trumpistas now in control of the US Republican Party, the USA is headed to an Argentinian future should their populist movement succeed in forcing autarkic economics onto America. The problem with Trumpism is its misguided populism which just like Peronism promotes a certain sense of illusory ‘greatness’ without any basis in fact or reality. Political theater in the form of ‘feel good’ MAGA rallies does not imply sound policies which gets gaslighted by the blind devotion of the Trumpistas. That’s what Peronism did to Argentina which is exactly what Trumpism will do to America.

    My prediction is a rerun of Trump for President by the Trumpistas in 2024, much like what the Peronistas did for Peron in 1951:

    ¡Viva el Presidente Trump!
    ¡Viva los Trumpistas del Mar-a-Lago!
    ¡Viva la República Banana de América!

  212. anarchyst says:
    @glib

    Wrong.
    As I have stated, oil is constantly being produced by yet-unknown processes within the earth and is migrating up from the depths that are much deeper than the levels at which “fossils” are known to exist.
    Abiotic oil destroys the failed concept of “peak oil” which is used to prop up the phony and dangerous concept of “renewables” which are just giant boondoggles to satisfy the environmentalist communist bunny-huggers.
    Look at the recent “energy shortages” in Texas. Despite having enough coal, natural gas and oil to go around to avoid the shortage, they were denied “permission” to utilize it by the federal government.
    Environmentalism is a failed concept that has done more to damage the wise use of energy products than just about anything else.

  213. Biden and his leftist administrations border policies killed quite a number of people yesterday when an suv with over 27 people crammed into it!, crashed headlong with a truck. It is thought that human smuggling was involved. It’s incredible how many people both legal and illegal, leftist democrat party policies have killed in the U.S. in the last 30 or so years.

  214. Disintegration, how dramatic! This reminds me of how things looked to Americans in the 1850s. The parallel even includes a pair of idiot presidents who were unable to mind the store while the enemies of liberty were looting it. Lincoln described it best, I think, that we’ve again reached a point where we can’t go on half or one thing and half of another. It is painfully obvious that a government constructed to preserve eighteenth century aristocrats’ prerogatives in a small farming republic is incapable of effectively managing a vast global empire. We must either give up our de facto overseas colonies and restore the republic, or abandon the sham of democracy altogether, and retool the government so it can properly oversee our imperial possessions. With the rising economic strength of China, that decision may not be ours to make. Unburdened by the toxic traditions of capitalism and Christianity, China is building an international commonwealth of mutual interests, not a global empire of masters and slaves. This is what Britain should have done in 1775, and the US in 1945. The next few decades won’t see the end of America by any means, but they will be…interesting. Lincoln also commented we are fated to live through all time – unless we ourselves choose death by suicide.

  215. Stephane says:
    @anarchyst

    What do you find wrong in glib comment ?

    Also, can you elaborate a bit on abiotic oil ? If it is generated deeper and migrates up, at what rates, and where ? Can we expect it to top up depleted oil fields fast enough to allow reexploiting them in a “usable” time frame, say a few centuries ?

    Can you point us toward some sources ?

  216. annamaria says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    “but it can’t be good for the US when the same description is perfectly valid for both rivals for power.”
    — It is…

  217. @Seraphim

    Come on!
    You do not make a sense.
    First there are no mines in Siberia. All mines in Russia are in Ural mountains.
    Ural mountains are not part of Siberia. They are the borderline.
    Gulag personal could not work in mines. That would be insanity. Only stupid government would do it.
    Mines equipment, support and transport of people, elevators, would give ample opportunity for sabotage for some bitter political prisoners. It is simply no no.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
    , @Seraphim
  218. @Zarathustra

    Oh I forgot!
    There is very limited lighting in mines.
    So any prisoner in mine could pick up a stone and brake the scull of the guard.

  219. @anarchyst

    Oh lovely.
    And how that oil created and creates large cavities in solid rock where it settles?
    And on top of it how the oil is moving against gravity of earth. and when is moving why it does not move all the way to the surface and stay there?
    You see that all your theory is nonsense?

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  220. Rurik says:
    @Liberty Mike

    Your comment is a cornucopia of historical poignancy and pathos, Mike.

    It’s quite true, that men, (white, black, Christian, Jewish, Muslim and everything else) are unnervingly capable of acts that chill to the marrow for sheer, depraved cruelty.

    And, as you correctly point out, are even more so when acting as unthinking drones in the service of their masters. Like dogs, only a thousand times worse. I wonder if the worst sin there is, is willfully sacrificing your agency, (your mind and free will) over to the state or one of its minions, as cops or soldiers, as so many are so eager to do.

    Are there any men more viscerally execrable than today’s FBI, or CIA/DEA/AFT/NSA goons, in the service of the state, as enemies of the American people, and all principles of decency and ironically, the Rule of Law?

    No single person I can think of is a bigger enemy of the American Constitution, and the Rule of Law, (not to mention the American people) than Christopher Wray. Treasonous men like Wray or Brennan are the worst sort of human scum that there is. When Lon Horiuchi took aim and murdered Vicky, I’m reasonably sure he was feeling good about executing just another white woman.

    But Wray is like those Apache scouts that worked for the U.S. cavalry, helping the enemies of their own people, in exchange for some shiny trinkets and some perks and comforts.

    It is a tragic shame that most men are wired for subservience to ‘authority’. Ordered to massacre tribal villagers, or fire bomb cities, or put bullets in the heads of their betters at the edge of a ditch in a Polish forest, they dutifully obey.

    I guess that’s why I like the idea of ‘fragging’ so much. What a great method of finally putting an end to the war pig’s slop trough, by fragging their ambitious lapdogs.

    Gordon Kahl, Randy Weaver, Kyle Rittenhouse are our best. James Comey, Clapper, Brennan, et al, are our worst.

    Our best

    Our worst

    And it’s the same across the board.

    Solzhenitsyn was among Russia’s best. Nikolay Yezhov, its worst.

    And so it goes..

  221. Rurik says:
    @nokangaroos

    I also notice their victory parades are getting bigger;
    clearly they are pandering to European and USraeli anti-Germanism in hopes of making good weather.

    Not just that, but they’re also pandering to an unfortunate tribalism of many Russian ultra-nationalists/supremacists, that linger, like the drool on a lizard’s chin, in the backwaters of Russia’s hinterlands.

    You can see evidence of it even here, at comment 210

    NATO today is what the Wehrmacht was in 1941. We ran through those monsters then, we’ll run over their time clones tomorrow. Russia is the only “Europe” that’s left there.

    These cretins are like the USA, USA!! chanting ‘exceptional’ Americans. (If they only realized just how exceptional they actually are ; ). Or those sub-human, head-slicing ISIS cannibals eating the entrails of their victims, because they’re soooo tough and manly!

    To appeal to these vermin, you have to wave flags and strut around like caricature of virility, because they have none of their own. They like big weapons, and we can all surmise why.

    I’ve noticed for a long time now, that Russian and American men have some of the same issues.

    There’s a thread that runs though their characters, that is utterly incapable of self-reflection. Ask one of these obtuse, dull-eyed patriots if America ever committed a war crime, like bombing Serbia or Syria, for instance, and those dull eyes will very quickly turn jaundiced- with a hint of violence ebbing up from their suddenly threatened, (if unpretentious) manhood. The same goes for ultra-nationalist Russians, whenever you mention the Holodomor, or so many unspeakable crimes of the Soviets and their ‘virile’ Red Army.

    I read about the brutality of the Red Army’s treatment of Eastern Europe’s and Germany’s women and girls with pity and horror. Whereas I’ve actually read some of those Russian goons bragging about how many Russian babies were born to European girls following the invasions and notorious mass-rapes. I shit you not. They brag about it!

    Can you imagine the kind of man that would brag about getting a rape victim pregnant?

    Well, he’s the guy in the middle of this photograph.

    And gentlemen and Statesmen like Lavrov and Putin are simply accepting an unfortunate fact of Russian politics, and pandering to these types as a matter of practicality.

    Go to any football game in the ZUS, and you’ll see the exact same mentality over here in the good ol’ ZUS of A.

    ZUSA, ZUSA!!!

    • Thanks: HeebHunter
  222. anarchyst says:
    @Zarathustra

    It’s not a theory, but is FACT.

    Oil is like any other liquid, seeking its own level. Much of the raw hydrocarbons is thick, like grease and needs to be heated in order to flow. Look up “bunker oil”.

    There are vents on the ocean floor that are spewing out massive quantities of hydrocarbons.

    Ever hear of the La Brea Tar Pits??

  223. Catdog says:
    @Rahan

    (I also feel, and have had this feeling for over a decade, that if at some point contemporary Eastern European pulps start being published in English en mass, this will reinvigorate the pulp field and give back hope to many Anglospherical readers)

    Can you elaborate on this please? Is Slav sci fi fantasy better than anglo scifi fantasy in some way?

    • Replies: @Rahan
  224. @Kapyong

    What I encountered in the New Advent, doctrinal Roman Catholic site was a whole battery of Canons firing away at anything not cooked up by Eusebius’ bought and paid for gang and various edicts from the diabolical Constantine himself. No cogent, or even marginally objective rebuttal of the actuality of historical development of the Constantinian Agenda.

  225. @Kapyong

    The Roger Pearse sermons selectes cannot possibly be regarded as objective, as those magical 318 alleged bishops were well greased by the Imperial state to come up with a suitable narrative which stuck to a steady narrative of church canons organized in such a way as to augment and further state power. There was nothing holy in the entire process. You combine state power with church dogma and you get tyranny doubled.

  226. Miro23 says:
    @kemerd

    I would also think that US military and US oligarchs would suck the blood from the US nation by inflating prices of the hardware they produce. However, there is a remarkable consistency of coming up only with lemons for the last 30 years that it cannot be explained by such.

    Don’t under rate the ability of lazy, arrogant and self satisfied military leaders to weaken the organizations they run (or rather don’t run). Example – the British military upper class’ inept defense of Singapore (1942) against a lesser number of Japanese, involving the surrender of 85.000 Imperial troops.

    • Replies: @kemerd
  227. @antibeast

    So, Fascism destroyed Argentina?
    As you claim, Argentina was on top of the World then Peron wrecked it, right?

  228. ricpic says:
    @dario

    That’s a great song, but isn’t it representative of an era long past when los americanos, full of themselves as the world hegemon, bestrode the world kind of awkwardly, kind of condescendingly, kind of loveably even?

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  229. ricpic says:

    What kind of a book report tells us that the author of the book asserts something (in this case the catastrophic crackup of America) and yet provides no specifics to back up the assertion?

    Or are we all supposed to agree with folks convinced they’re really really smart (author and reviewer both) because they say so?

  230. Anonymous[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Sorry, this is utter nonsense. The US produces huge surpluses of food and raw materials. Moreover, amazingly the US still finds billions of people abroad willing to give the US goods and services in exchange for US dollars, despite the best efforts of Russia, China and cryptocurrency enthusiasts to change that. That state of affairs is likely to last at least another decade. The US also looks poised to come out of the Corona crisis in much better economic shape than the EU, which at least in the short term is going to make anyone predicting an imminent American collapse look pretty stupid.

    Thanks! I’ve been hoping to have an antithetical view posted.

    Certainly the US produces quite a bit. Just not enough to keep its population fed, housed, and clothed. That’s why there is a trade deficit and a national debt.

    The old USSR produced so much that its raw materials production alone was enough to support the entire country, all by itself, including the USSR’s manufacturing sector. Unfortunately, the USSR’s manufacturing sector transformed its raw materials into unsalable items, considered useless even within the USSR, and produced fewer such items yearly as its capital stock wore out and was not replaced. Consequently, the USSR became dependent on imports (such as electrical power from Europe), but proved unable to pay for them.

    In desperation, the USSR installed a reformist leader (think Trump for the analogous state in US history), who actually made things worse by inadvertently delegitimizing Marxism (as in Yurchak’s Everything Was Forever, Until It Was No More: The Last Soviet Generation) and was ousted by rather elderly “hardline communists” (think of the 2020 Federal elections) who proved unable to govern (hasn’t happened yet in the US).

    At which time the nonproductive enterprises were shut down, the USSR had salable exports a large number of people died of despair, cold, and alcohol in the transition, and the world ended up with the Russian Federation led by Putin, plus an Eastern Europe now entirely on its own. All in all, the world was lucky that USSR transition didn’t end up in nuclear civil war expanding to a global nuclear war. As history goes, that is one of the best things ever done by a population as large as was the USSR’s, an achievement comparable to the Meiji Restoration as a cultural wonder.

    Ok, so — other than simple contradiction, or calling the above
    “impiety, and impropriety,
    and quite a variety
    of unpleasant names”,
    to quote from Tom Lehrer’s “Poisoning Pigeons in the Park”,
    or saying that I’m a 1, a 7 , and a 6 (to list the common insults/condemnations by number),
    other than that,
    any criticisms?

  231. kemerd says:
    @Miro23

    Yes, that is indeed true and also Martyanov’s point. i.e. the elite become parasitic and shoot for short-term goals only while indulging in fantasy of invincibility

  232. @antibeast

    You are clueless as hell about both Trump and his supporters. It is not they who want fascism and communism, it is the democratic party leaders and apparently too many of their clueless voting base. I’ve never seen a president who acts more like a dictator than “President” 10 percent Biden. lol

  233. @obwandiyag

    The US condemned 100+ million people to a horrible death by banning DDT. That’s more than a million times worse than the worst serial killer.

    Something that I’m sure the American voter can be proud of.

    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  234. @antibeast

    Are you the longest lived anencephalic birth?

  235. Kapyong says:
    @Seraphim

    Gday Seraphim,

    Do you think that the majorities of one are capable to read anything beyond dan browns type of literature?

    My doubt increases proportionally to familiarity with his posts.

    It’s odd behavior – if someone here took the time to evidence how I was wrong, I would take that as a favour – they have improved and increased my knowledge.

    Something about this false factoid gives it great traction in the public imagination – as if they are discovering the secret truth about the origins of the bible itself. When five minutes checking would disprove it.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  236. glib says:
    @anarchyst

    I wish you best of luck with your incredible business opportunities.

  237. @Drapetomaniac

    LUDICROUS garbage, a favourite of brain-dead, Rightwing, corporatist stooges.

  238. @ricpic

    They really felt the love in Korea (4 million murdered) Indochina (another 4 million)Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras etc, under the death-squads, Latin America under Operation Condor, Angola, Mozambique attack by US created death-squad armies, Congo etc under brutal US stooges, Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, Lebanon etc. Not to forget the hundreds of millions murdered by the unjust neo-liberal capitalist world economic order imposed by the USA. Greater love has no man, eh?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  239. @anarchyst

    ‘Abiotic oil’ was a furphy invented by the KGB to fool dullards in the West-good to see that it’s still effective. To continue burning hydrocarbons ad destructam is to have some weird desire to terrorform Earth into a New Venus.

  240. @ValMonde

    On the other hand, Solzhenitsyn was Jew-wise and has a book the Western world is not allowed to read as a result. So he couldn’t have been all bad. He also believed that Ukraine and Belarus should have remained in union with Russia.

  241. Seraphim says:
    @ValMonde

    Funny argument ‘Bolsheviks built the biggest empire on earth’, them the ‘anti-imperialists’ (of Russian imperialism in particular)! Now, in point of fact they took over the Empire built by the Tsars after they busted them and killed a few boyars, bourgeois, kulaks, popes (the worst lot).
    I was wondering when the theme ‘Shalamov vs Solzhenitsyn’ would pop out of the hat. He is a central piece of the character assassination of Solzhenitsyn (actually he was the first to accuse Sol of ”playing according to the rulebook of Cold War cultural politics”). He was certainly more palatable to the western ‘Left’, the leftovers of the Comintern, trotskist, ‘antifascist’ and neo-con alike. ”A man of inexorable anti-authoritarian instincts, an atheist, and a member of the “left” anti-Stalinist opposition”, who never renounced his core revolutionary ideals and refused to equate Soviet rule with Stalinism”“more left than the leftists”, ”continuing the legacy of the 1920s avant-garde”, eager to “participate in the great battle for the real transformation of life”, who ”never disavowed the Soviet project” (birds of feather flock together).
    Whereas Solzhenitsyn remained stuck into a praise of that Russia which all the ‘West’, left and right, scholars and politicians, capitalists and proletarians, execrated for centuries because “the tsarist dream of world domination caught the soul of the Russian nation” (Russia as ”the ‘Prison of the peoples’, the ‘gendarme of Europe’, ‘authoritarian’, etc – the tropes of the perennial anti-Russian propaganda), and desired and worked hard for its ‘containment’ and eventual downfall. He was guilty of being ”so arrogantly biased that he absolves nineteenth-century Russia of any crime of violence, repression or persecution (above all the crime of crimes -pogroms)” and denying that the Revolution was an exclusive product of the Russian milieu and not a reflection of the international ‘battle for the real transformation of life’ (LGBTQ+, transhumanism anyone?). And he committed the unpardonable offense to criticizing the American ‘way of life’ and American gullibility. And the more unpardonable offense to talk about God. And he is praised by Putin, the ”mafia boss, the totalitarian ruler, the godfather”, the poisoner who “destroyed institutions in Russia”, with whom the “Western leaders shouldn’t deal with as a leader” (Mikhail Khodorkovsky) !
    I recommend reading Solzhenitsyn.

    • Agree: utu, Miro23
    • Replies: @ValMonde
  242. Anonymous[265] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Never tell the truth for it will only get you labeled a troll but tell the biggest lie, and you will only receive thumbs up for life, strange the mentality of what passes for the human race.!!!

    • Troll: Rurik
  243. By-tor says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    The faces at the ‘food banks’ featured on local TV and those in what pass for local newspapers where I live are mostly black ones and many are fat-faced. I do not doubt the Gates-Schwab-Davos Reset will feature a food shortage directed at traditional whites, but it has not happened as yet.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  244. Thanks, Saker-Andrei.

  245. Ace says:
    @Mephisto

    Our steadfast, fanatical refusal to recognize that fact makes America the greatest example of self delusion in all time. Every minute of every hour is a celebration of our number one delusion.

    The fundamental inability of Africans to coexist with whites in a majority white country must never ever ever EVER be acknowledged. Every Deondre, every Shaniqua, every Lashondra, every Chayranna, every Dequavious, every Jolanda, and every Shamacka by the simple fact of their given names extend the middle finger to white culture. Every trashed city, every knockout attack, every pit known as a public school, and every crime statistic tell the same story. Resentment, hatred, failure, and rejection define black culture but this must be concealed under a thick blanket of pathetic propaganda and crucifixion for the brave or the unwary.

    Remember Channon Christian and Christopher Newsome.

  246. @Franz

    “I do hope the author means “uncultured” in the pejorative, insulting, Russian sense of the word. They are the “elites” who are revolting, and they are too dumb to know they are kicking the floorboards out from under their feet.”

    Well said. Remember, the Bush clan has long been one of the major US “elite” families, and one would be hard pressed to find a duller knife in the drawer than George Jr.

  247. L.K says:
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Why does Martyanov intensely dislike Alexander Solzhenitsyn?

    Because Martyanov is a Stalinist.

    I have yet to meet a Stalinist – of any nationality – that approves of Solzhenitsyn’s work…

    Martyanov is also one of the most intellectually dishonest individuals I have debated at Unz webzine.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  248. @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    “Why does Martyanov intensely dislike Alexander Solzhenitsyn?”

    Perhaps he knows better/best. Remember, Solzhenitsyn was a darling of the establishment and heavily promoted in The West. That alone should be reason for suspicion.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  249. Smith says:

    Americans STILL whining about Soviet in the Current Year+XX, I’d laugh if it isn’t so sad.

    Americans’s worst enemies are their own ruling class, not anyone else, and they are still living and breathing. Imagine colonizing America and wasting all that resources for muh free murket, muh low taxes and now muh tranny nigger social studies, sad!

  250. @Franz

    I do hope the author means “uncultured” in the pejorative, insulting, Russian sense of the word. They are the “elites” who are revolting, and they are too dumb to know they are kicking the floorboards out from under their feet.

    There is no other way to use it–only pejorative. Contemporary US culture at the top is very Asiatic in a sense of idiosyncrasies and self-assurances, bordering on psychosis, characteristic of backward societies where outwardly appearances meant more than the substance, with “gotcha” culture dominating. Most of the US political class is not well-read, knows extremely little about the world outside, and current US “intellectual elite” is risible in primitive narratives it produces, be them from the so called “left” or “right”. Russia and her culture are an excellent litmus test for crudeness of American “elites” since they fail this test non-stop in every single category. Plus, one cannot deny anymore an extreme tawdriness of the American political discourse, which is an Exhibit A for the lack of any class in what passes today for US “elites”. It is also driven by a huge complex of inferiority which was described by Alexis De Tocqueville. You can still meet truly cultured and well-educated Americans outside the Beltway, but their numbers will continue to decline as time passes by.

  251. Seraphim says:
    @TheTrumanShow

    Solzhenitsyn was a darling of the establishment until he fell out of grace and it banned him and ‘heavily’ demonized him. Some people know better/best what side of the bread is buttered.

  252. Rahan says:
    @Catdog

    Can you elaborate on this please? Is Slav sci fi fantasy better than anglo sci fi fantasy in some way?

    Naw, once-a-generation geniuses aside, it’s generic pulp adventures that the Anglosphere used to produce before the 1970s/1980s melodrama bloat set in and books became enormous chunks of soap with alleged “character depth”.

    [MORE]

    That’s the point. It’s utterly reactionary and politically incorrect pulps, covering the whole sci-fi and fantasy spectrum. The Russian, Ukrainian, and Belarussian sci-fi and fantasy pulp (as in books, as opposed to anime or comics) field is the second biggest one in the world after the English-speaking one, possibly as a carry-over from the sci-fi and vintage buccaneer adventure book popularity in Soviet times.

    There are a lot of readers in the Anglosphere, IMO, who would instantly lose 50% of their demoralization levels just through having regular access to a constant stream of contemporary pulps from an adjacent civilization. More choice, less existential angst.

    Here’s online a fairly recent “historical” sword pulp flick. Free to watch, as most things are in the runet.
    https://lordkino-hdx.lordfilm.gd/4945-legenda-o-kolovrate-2017.html

    Of the Slavs only Russia has the capacity to regularly produce local pulp blockbusters (as in a dozen a year, as opposed to 2-3 Poland style), and those are frozen forever on the level of “300” or the first “X Men”, “Apollo 13”–i.e. the tech is there (and today it costs them like \$2-4 million a film to do what it took Hollywood tens or hundreds of millions back circa 1998 – 2002), but the feel is still old school generic pulp. Not a hint of Woke.

    A few more recent Rus flicks:

    • Replies: @Smith
    , @Smith
  253. Seraphim says:
    @Kapyong

    Throw into the factoid soup a pinch of ‘conspiracy’ and you make sure that they will buy your ‘product’ forever. They would even believe that they thought it by themselves (they have ‘logic’) and made an ‘informed choice’.

  254. Smith says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    What was the East is now the West, and what was the West is now the East, culture-wise.

    More sign that East and West are meaningless categories, culture war has always been a distraction. Human beings share the same need of resources, regardless of where of they come from, east, west, north or south.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  255. @Andrei Martyanov

    Holy shit.
    Maybe you are right!!
    Texas and Mississippi decided to ignore the fake President.
    Maybe it will be nothing, but than it could be beginning of something.

  256. Richard B says:
    @RichardTaylor

    the divide between the White countryside and the urban POC/liberal White Yuppie divide will grow.

    Absolutely!

    Of course, it’s worth mentioning that, just as there are some anti-White Whites in the countryside, there have always been Whites living in the cities who are anti-urban POC/liberal White Yuppies.

    Another point worth mentioning is that there are a lot of pro-White Whites who are anti-Right and Left. And for a reason. The Right, in whatever form it’s come in, has been getting its ass handed to it by the Left since the French Revolution.

    Conflating White with Right has only hurt Whites and hasn’t helped the Right.

    But, at this point, I don’t care what helps the Right. I only care what helps Whites.

    • Thanks: tgordon
  257. ValMonde says:
    @inquire

    Solzhenitsyn is one of the patron saint of contemporary Russophobia. Also one of the ideological undertakers of the USSR, whose collapse is still lived by many Russians as a major personal catastrophe.
    In the Gulag Archipelago’s first edition, Solzhenitsyn claims that some 66 million Russians were sent to gulags and labor camps by Stalin’s repression apparatus. The historical source he refers to is an article of certain “professor Kourganov”. Kourganov was an obscur Soviet economist, who in 1942 defected to the nazi troops in the occupied part of the USSR and subsequently, made a carrier in the West as an anti-Soviet propagandist.
    During a 1973 interview on the Spanish television, Solzhenitsyn doubled down on the bullshit numbers, blaming the Soviet political systems for a total of “110 million deaths”.
    Needless to say, the actual numbers of the 1937/38 political repressions were lower by order of magnitude. By the end of his life, Solzhenitsyn knew that, yet left the numbers in the Archipelago unchanged. See also my answer at # 34.

  258. @Andrei Martyanov

    Whatever do you mean by ‘Asiatic’? Long-lived and complex? Chinese, ie preferencing harmony over dominance? Hindu ie all-embracing and deeply spiritual? Japanese? Indo-European? I am intrigued.

  259. @By-tor

    Black Americans are fat, because poor, and poor people in the pitiless US dystopia can only afford cheap junk food. Poor whites and Hispanics tend to fat, too.

  260. ValMonde says:
    @Seraphim

    Russia is an organic empire. So yes, sooner or later, every Russian ruler becomes an Empire builder. “Bolsheviks” continued what the Rus princes and tsars have started. Many “boyars and bourgeois” as you call them, joined on their side. Bolsheviks just brought the empire to the next level. In 25 years the USSR eradicated illiteracy, built a nation-wide electrical grid, (re)built hundreds of Far East and Central Asian cities, modernized the industry, developed a first rate science and created a culture, far superior in its soulfulness and spirituality to anything “cultural” in the West. All this, while having the rest of the world against them. Sure, they engaged in some creative destruction. What empire doesn’t?

    And the more unpardonable offense to talk about God.

    I suggest you leave G_d out of this. Take a stroll on any New York street. You can’t pass a “church” that doesn’t exhibit a fag flag over its entrance. Does that look like a “house of G_d” to you? How about Zionist evangelical temples? Despite being an atheist, Shalamov is in fact a genuinely Christian writer. And he succeeds where Solzhenitsyn fails – finding meaning in his seemingly senseless suffering. At some point, martyr posturings and loud “you all forgot G-d” sermons are not enough.
    It took Solzhenitsyn decades to realize that Russian Socialism is a hypostasis of Russian messianism and as such, a religious project in its very essence.

    I recommend reading Solzhenitsyn.

    Absolutely! “200 years together” and “The Russia’s collapse” (Россия в обвале), should be a mandatory reading in both Russia and the US.

    • Replies: @anonomojoe
    , @Seraphim
  261. @glib

    Congrats on ‘Escape from Detroit’, glib. Used to hang at the Anchor Bar and Lindell AC’s many moons ago. The next Tall Ships lining the River Walk will probably have an Asian look to them. Imagine Chinese grocers edging-out Chaldean convenience (addiction) stores. They’ll probably melt-down Orville Hubbard’s statue after they move west and change his city’s name to Dee-Bon. Imagine Dan Gilbert in Confucian drag and Quicken Loans financing slum-houses on 1,000 year mortgages. The Medical Center is already fighting the dragon of Hydrogen Cyanide poisoning spewed from the Marathon Refinery, so just imagine burning coal again after fracked-fuel depletion is in the bag. Grosse Ile will look like Zug Island under Chinese rule. I keep wondering if the Yalie’s had some long-term quid-pro-quo with the eastern-elite mafia? Like, you build us ghost-cities that look European, we hand over the USA. Like, you build-out Africa for us, we sabotage America as we exit. Inquiring minds want to know. There must be at least 50 Chinese companies wining and dining and golf-outing every politician, county-commissioner, and bureaucrat in the state, 24/7/365. Something’s not what we think it is.

  262. gT says:
    @Dayglowd

    “WWIII started five years ago and the US is losing badly without it even developing in to a full blown shooting match. The world awaits its ultimate demise. And with its collapse everyone hopes the UK, Israel and Saudi Arabia will follow it in to the same grave.”

    Damn right, lots also hope that China follows the West to that same grave also, as China is that Western creation which arose after Western industry and manufacturing and pollution was all sent there. It is just not right that the current hegemon be allowed to choose its successor.

    Actually all that most want, as many others have said, is an America unable to bomb, sanction and dictate to others all the time. But alas, the US seems intent on suicide. Amen.

    (Its actually (((you know who))) who wants the US suicided to be replaced by China).

  263. antibeast says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Contemporary US culture at the top is very Asiatic in a sense of idiosyncrasies and self-assurances, bordering on psychosis, characteristic of backward societies where outwardly appearances meant more than the substance, with “gotcha” culture dominating.

    First of all, the USA has no ‘culture’ to speak of, even at the top, as it is merely a copycat version of British Imperialism which produces the imperial hubris of the Anglo-American crowd caught up in the Washington-NY-Boston bubble, rather than some vague ‘Asiatic’ characteristics which you’ve incorrectly ascribed to Yankee Exceptionalism.

    Living the fantasy of Rudyard Kipling’s White Man’s Burden, the Yanks dream of ruling the world yet don’t know how to run their own country. Running around like imperial viceroys, the Yanks pretend that they’re English Gentlemen but behave like American Cowboys — ignorant, illiterate and incompetent — of the world around them.

    The rest of the USA wallows in the fake ‘American Dream’ produced by the Hollywood-Silicon Valley crowd while cultural degeneracy, sexual violence, social anarchy, mindless materialism and amoral hedonism reign supreme throughout the benighted land of guns, trucks, porn, sex, drugs and Bibles.

    Lastly, the USA is not ‘backward’ but ‘primitive’ in its sexual nihilism, driven by animalistic instincts, as if several generations of European immigrants had turned into White Monkeys after several centuries of living in America, immersed in the primitive animalistic culture of Ghetto Blacks, away from the normative influences of White Christian European Civilization back in the Old World of Europe.

    • Agree: anonomojoe, HeebHunter
  264. anonymous[153] • Disclaimer says:
    @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    Yeah, yeah, just make something up and present it with enough conviction, as you attempt here, and you expect everyone to take it as true history? Lol!

    The only thing which should be evident for a thinking mind in the living present, is Islam as the only true monotheist, thus only God-aware, spiritual system on the planet. The entire godless west is still clinging on pathetically to the deceit of mangods-worship… just a whitewashed version of Hindooism and Greek Mythology.

    Go and choke on that you pagan/godless vermin.

    About slaves in Islam;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery

  265. @ValMonde

    ValMonde – I appreciate much of what you write, but the bit about the USSR’s 25-year build-out, portrayed as if it was pulling itself up by its boot-straps, is ludicrous. Antony Sutton’s trilogy ‘Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development’ surely eviscerates that mythology. Having access to State Department archives at the Hoover Institution of War, Revolution and Peace, Sutton was able to tell a more complete story. Not that Russians and subject peoples didn’t do the physical labor, but it was Western Capital Goods that built the Soviet Union from 1917-1965, all the way through the proverbial ‘Cold War’, that was pretty hot in the Southern Hemisphere nations. It wasn’t just crack-pots like LaRouche who pointed out the special “Condominium of Interests” shared by those living in the Northern Hemisphere.

    I didn’t think about it until I read some of yours and others insights about Solzhenitsyn (thanks for those) but he really seems like he was a cultural back-channel, a ‘shared-agent’ if you will, performing various ideological services, as the times required. Whether he just fronted for a writing-project on his ‘200 Years Together’ is above my pay grade, but his peculiar access to information and his previously protected celebrity-status in the West is too curious. The whole thing about our lack of access to a fully-translated copy of his book and it not being in print in the US is really strange. It’s as if someone really wants us to read it? (kind of like the vaccine shortages) Or is it as simple as ‘Bolshevik’-patriots suppressing history? That’s not sarcasm, just an expression how it’s a bit of a challenge to decipher exactly what you’re communicating at times. I may just be ‘tripping-over’ irrelevant details but I’m not sure, as my first sentence above reveals.

    In a way, I guess I could say a similar thing about Antony Sutton, as I do Solzhenitsyn, only in a reverse sense, as Sutton was quite obscure, ostensibly IRS-hounded out of the US to Australia, and we’re faced with the odd fact that one of the few video interviews one can even find of him was done by Elizabeth Claire Prophet, an uber-cultist if there ever was one; a cultism that red-flags her as having worked for some intelligence agency or another. I mean who else gets to have a mountain-cave redoubt full of military hardware and travel the country hypnotizing audiences with St. Germain schtick and selling gemstone-fakes in hotel lobbies.

    Sutton’s alma-mater Hoover Institution is probably just one of those higher-levels of “right” perception-management, like say the Institute for Social Research is on the “left”, but Sutton really did document trade of massive amounts of production-technology of every sort in exchange for Siberian resources. Our friends play every side of the game. So, although I’m fascinated by your meta-analysis of Solzhenitsyn’s changes in perspective, and maybe it is as you say, to me he still smacks of a man who was ‘managed’ (or coerced) in the gray zone of those quietly co-operating international agencies.

    Have you ever read The Penkovskiy Papers by Oleg Penkovskiy?

  266. anonymous[153] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    I love the people of the West, including Russia and Russians,

    That is just doublespeak for whitevil racism/supremacism, which makes you a soul-diseased lowlife, because of what this evil has caused billions around the world.

    Just being an anti-Zionist, and voicing some platitudes in support of the Palestinians, does not absolve you and your kind of the untold death and suffering your kind has caused. Notice how, the avowed whitevil supremacist Orange-utan and all around degenerate, voted for by one section of the whitevil populace, and the senile old fart, voted for by the other section, both love to be sodomised by the “tribe.”

    Meaning, you are all the same. Chances are high, if you should find yourself in the Evil Office, you would enthusiastically be deep-throating the “tribe” members too.

    and I don’t want to see them played (again) into a ‘let’s you and him fight’, slaughter-fest for the tribe’s orgiastic amusement.

    Your evil kind has played the same divide-and-conquer/‘let’s you and him fight’ games since time immortal. The “tribe” you mention shares the same characteristics as your equally evil tribe too.

    You may mostly be preaching to the choir here, but some of us see through all of it.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  267. @antibeast

    rather than some vague ‘Asiatic’ characteristics which you’ve incorrectly ascribed to Yankee Exceptionalism.

    You obviously have issues with geography. Google Asia and see for yourself where much of Arab, Turkic world and Israel reside. You are obviously not-well versed in that area’s culture, I was born there. I also served there. Obviously, you never heard about Christian Zionism which flourished in the United States for some “unknown” reasons. Evidently the soil was fertile for tens of millions of Americans to start worship some small country in what is Western Asia.

    First of all, the USA has no ‘culture’ to speak of, even at the top, as it is merely a copycat version of British Imperialism which produces the imperial hubris of the Anglo-American crowd caught up in the Washington-NY-Boston bubble, rather than some vague ‘Asiatic’ characteristics which you’ve incorrectly ascribed to Yankee Exceptionalism.

    Culture is a behavioral matrix–even the most primitive tribes have culture. Nice try, though.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  268. @Smith

    What was the East is now the West, and what was the West is now the East, culture-wise.

    A defining formative factor in what was known as Western Civilization was Renaissance and Enlightenment. All of it is being discarded and modern West has very little in common with a classical definition of the West. Russia, for all her geographic duality and uniqueness was always an extremity of the historic West. Even late Scruton’s (a rather Russophobic character) definition of West covers it. Russia had her own version of Enlightenment and is firmly rooted, in Scruton’s words, into the Greek philosophy, Roman Law, and God of Israel. So, while this analogy is somewhat true, the reality, of course, is much more complex. Russians are definitely Western people but majority of them do not want to have anything to do with what is called West today.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  269. @anon

    yeah, I was expecting a Sovereign Society advertisement at the end, you know, “escape while you still can and live cheap in sunny Patagonia.”

  270. Rurik says:
    @anonymous

    I love the people of the West, including Russia and Russians,

    That is just doublespeak for whitevil racism/supremacism, which makes you a soul-diseased lowlife, …

    ..the whitevil populace, ..

    the same characteristics as your equally evil tribe ..

  271. @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    It is very interesting that Americans who has no clue about Soviet Union or Russia tends to decide about merits of this liar and scoundrel. This guy is second worst thing that happened to USSR after Khrushev and before Gorbachov and Yeltsin.
    Enemies were using his and Khrushev lies to undermine already damaged by Khrushev moral of the Soviet people.
    He is still being used to undermine the whole of socialism communism ideology and this after the whole free world liberal capitalistic crap has been unmasked and exposed.

  272. I am about to order third Andrei book.
    I have been reading his posts since 2013 and I suspect I was one of the first to note his considerable erudition and writing talents.
    His is a must read for inteligently curious western public. Locals from unz especially.
    His style is laconic, right to the point and easy to read. Enjoyed his first books and no doubt will enjoy reading the third.

  273. antibeast says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    You obviously have issues with geography. Google Asia and see for yourself where much of Arab, Turkic world and Israel reside. You are obviously not-well versed in that area’s culture, I was born there. I also served there. Obviously, you never heard about Christian Zionism which flourished in the United States for some “unknown” reasons. Evidently the soil was fertile for tens of millions of Americans to start worship some small country in what is Western Asia.

    History and religion must be your weak spots because Christian Zionism started as British Israelism in the UK before spreading to the USA after the founding of the State of Israel. There is nothing ‘Asiatic’ about the Christian Zionists in the USA, most of whom view the State of Israel not as an ‘Asiatic’ country in West Asia but as the Biblical fulfillment of the Second Coming of the Christian Messiah. Maybe you’re referring to Jewish influence on the USA as ‘Asiatic’ but those Jews are Ashkenazim (‘Western’) unlike the Mizrahim (‘Eastern’) in Israel who are indeed ‘Asiatic’.

    Culture is a behavioral matrix–even the most primitive tribes have culture. Nice try, though.

    Agree. And that’s why Americans — both White and Black — don’t have any culture, history or identity of their own which even primitive tribes have because they’re by-products of the US Capitalist System created by their Capitalist Overlords. Most White Americans don’t know anything about their ancestral homelands in Europe — their languages, cultures, religions, histories — and neither do Black Americans know anything about their ancestral homelands in Africa. Instead, they’re constantly pitted against each other in terms of racial politics which is used by their Capitalist Overlords to ‘divide-and-rule’ both White and Black Americans.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  274. @mikael_

    What did bring the downfall of US society:
    The US youth listening to Rock’n’Roll in the 60’s, or the Marxist ‘march through the institutions’?

    The people were too doped out/indulged in their orgy of hedonism to notice what was going on around them and so the anti-West ideologues didn’t face too much resistance and the resistance that they did face was mostly from the Traditionalists, whom the majority despised as traditional values didn’t go well with the spirit of ’69.

  275. @Bj0311

    I have not read that book but I am sure it is along same beaten path that practically any book about Vladimir Iliich has been written after the coup of 1991.
    The man was obviously charismatic but not in a way Americans perceive charisma.
    He was quite obviously very much liked.
    Or how do you think he ended in Mausoleum?
    His body had to be kept in limbo because masses were coming to see and pay last respect to him across vast Russia with no planes around by the way.

    The man opened the secret how things like this are to be done.
    Nobody can make a revolution. It happened when it happened
    . His master plan was organization that was there to start acting when revolution happened with goal to take power and start reforms that can be made only when in power.
    Stalin is in vogue now but people forget that without Lenin there would have been no Stalin and it was Lenin genius and a dose of adventurism they allowed him to pinpoint the opportunity and to devise a right plan and path to achieve his goal to which he had been working his whole life.
    By 1917 Russia was by all definition dying and vultures started circling.
    Here is the man who saved Russia and within 5 short years in power achieved more than many more ordinary people could not.
    He is for obvious reasons being downplayed now because he was the one who took power from moneyed elites.stalin can be used by them as sort of great statesman with some correction but Lenin is like poison for them.there is no place for him hence such books.
    The one who pays dances the girl so to speak.

  276. @antibeast

    There is nothing ‘Asiatic’ about the Christian Zionists in the USA

    As I stated, you have a rather peculiar and uninformed, which is expected from many commenters at UNZ, view of the world, because while Scofield Bible was published in Oxford (IIRC), Scofield himself was an American minister and his pseudo-Bible is central to Christian Zionism whose phenomenal growth was registered only in the United States. This growth eclipsed whatever forms Christian Zionism took in Europe. I am not going to discuss with you here basic facts on Christian Zionism but it is a highly primitive movement formed by a number of factors among which second coming is, however important, but one of. Your statement like this:

    Maybe you’re referring to Jewish influence on the USA as ‘Asiatic’ but those Jews are Ashkenazim (‘Western’) unlike the Mizrahim (‘Eastern’) in Israel who are indeed ‘Asiatic’.

    betray a person who, obviously, has a very limited, if any, practical experience with Jews and their recognizable idiosyncrasies. Jews generally are not Western people, including these very “Western” Ashkenazi and including many Jews, indeed, contributing to Western culture. What’s next, you will tell me that you are the follower of “Judeo-Christian” tradition and you listen to John Zorn and Masada? I am not sure you even get the reference (Google, Google….dive, dive). There are some answers for you in it.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  277. ValMonde says:
    @anonomojoe

    Thanks for the kind words! Not sure I have good answers to your many and important questions.
    Neither do I have evidence that Solzhenitsyn was a “back channeled shared agent” (although there are persistent rumors). All that’s known today is that upon reading the Archipelago, the members of Politburo split in two camps. Shelokov, the minister of interior, wanted it published as a curated/commented multi-million edition, offered giving Solzhenitsyn a literary price and make him a living classic. Andropov, then the KGB boss, wanted Solzhenitsyn out. The KGB line prevailed. The rest is history.

  278. ValMonde says:
    @anonomojoe

    I’m not familiar with Sutton’s trilogy, so I can’t comment on it. Certainly looking forward to reading it. The idea, however, that “Western Capital Goods built the Soviet Union from 1917-1965” seems to me rather absurd. The history of the fulgurant Soviet economic ascent is well documented. So are the names and the achievements of Soviet scientists.
    It’s true that Stalin thought highly of American efficiency and productivity. By the end of the 40s, he flooded the USSR with all kind of American mid-level industry experts. He personally admired Henry Ford. Ford’s “My life and Works” was translated in Russian and went through some 10 editions in 10 years.
    But consider the fact that the US recognized the USSR diplomatically only in 1935. Little known fact: the US made an attempt to counter the Bolshevik revolution by invading Russia’s Far East in 1918. After pillaging and terrorizing the locals for two years, the Americans eventually left, demoralized and defeated by the cold weather and the bad living conditions. The Red Army, which was busy fighting more serious and imminent threats, ignored them for the entire time.
    True, the US provided some technical and logistic support during WWII.
    But I can’t imagine Western capital goods making much of a difference during the Cold War and the McCarthy years.
    Actually in the 50s, the USA had plans to nuke the USSR. Preemptively.
    Why would Wall Street invest in a country their government wanted to annihilate?

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  279. ValMonde says:
    @anonomojoe

    Regarding Penkovsky’s papers, no I haven’t read them. They are almost certainly a forgery – whether actually penned by Penskovsky or his MI6 “handlers”. The fact that MI6 refuses to publish the original Russian version, leaves little doubt it’s a fake. The circumstances surrounding his defection, arrest and execution are still shrouded in mystery. It’s still not clear if Penkovsky was an ordinary traitor or a high level triple agent, master of disinformation.
    As to “200 years together”, it has been translated into English and you should be easily able to find online the free pdf version.

  280. @ValMonde

    US never invaded Russia. Only they brought some weapons for whites. But reds confiscated the weapons, and used them against whites.

  281. annamaria says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Thank you for mentioning the late Sir R0ger Scruton, the defender of traditions and common sense.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  282. @Zarathustra

    US never invaded Russia.

    Really.

    Many have forgotten that more than thirteen thousand American soldiers battled the Bolsheviks in the Russian Civil War, and over four hundred would lay down their lives on frozen Arctic and Siberian battlefields, in an ill-conceived attempt to tilt the outcome of that conflict.

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/yes-it-true-1918-america-invaded-russia-77646

  283. Seraphim says:
    @ValMonde

    The problem is not that the ‘Bolsheviks brought the empire to the next level’, but that they denied all the achievements of the Tsars on which they built on, giving themselves the credit for them. Russia would have achieved an even greater status and quicker without the ‘creative destruction’ of the bezbozhniks (not only Bolsheviks, that is).
    Indeed Russia is an ‘organic empire’ from its very beginnings and not a ‘messianic’ one. Messianism, the strive (even fight) for establishing the ‘Kingdom of God’ on Earth, is a Judaic creation. Orthodoxy, which moulded the Russian character and informed the state institutions, laws, culture, strives for Kingdom of Heaven. The so-called ‘Russian messianism’ has no roots in Orthodoxy or in the Russian character. The apocalyptic crazes that gripped Russia at times were hypostases of the messianic millenarist crazes which gripped the West. The Church and the Tsars were stumbling blocks on the road to the ‘golden future’ of the Kingdom of God on Earth, therefore they had to be removed, hence the revolution, civil war, red terror, creation of the ‘new culture’ of the ‘new man’ liberated from the shackles of belief in Christ. Stalin, who despite his bolshevik commitment was more attuned to the real ‘Russian soul’ (he was a seminarian after all), put a kibosh on this nefarious developments and he had to be removed. The fact that this revolution succeeded on the streets of NY is not a proof that sermons about ‘forgetting God’ are ‘not enough’. So, ”What is to be done?” comrade? Read Shalamov?

    • Replies: @ValMonde
  284. Robjil says:
    @antibeast

    Here is the history of the origins of the concept of a banana republic. Honduras was the first one in 1911. By 1948, there was enough banana republics in Latin America to help pass the vote for the creation of Israel. How ironic is it that now the US itself is being turned into a banana republic by Israel and Israel firsters in the US.

    https://www.theendofhistory.net/important_stories_christians_need_to_know/why-is-latin-america-so-dysfunctional-part-three-united-fruit-company/

    A business partner of United Fruit, Sam Zemurray, who would one day be head of the company, organized a private coup against the Honduran government in 1911. He and his mercenary partners put their own man in power over Honduras, who quickly gave them a tax-free concession of land for banana growth. For the next decade, Zumurray’s railroads were constructed across the country as he organized massive banana plantations with the choice land the government handed over to him.

    https://alethonews.com/2012/06/11/samuel-zemurray-the-banana-king-who-helped-create-israel-and-fed-up-the-lives-of-a-lot-of-people/

    The Jewish Week notes the crucial behind-the-scenes role the longtime president of the United Fruit Company played in the creation of Israel: And when the initial vote to create the Jewish state failed at the United Nations in 1948 — but was close enough to allow for a re-vote within 72 hours — Zemurray went to work.

    From his mansion in New Orleans (later donated to Tulane, and now the university president’s house), he called several Latin American leaders and got enough of them to switch their votes. “Knowing about the work of Zemurray,” Cohen writes in his book, “certain yes votes that might otherwise seem mysterious — Costa Rica, Guatemala, Ecuador, Panama — suddenly makes perfect sense. Behind them, behind the creation of the Jewish state, was the Gringo pushing his cart piled high with stinking bananas.”

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
  285. Seraphim says:
    @anonomojoe

    That ‘200 years’ is not being in print in the US is not at all ‘strange’. It actually says it all. Neither is his access to information (for this book) ‘peculiar’, because it was written and published in Russia in 2001, based almost exclusively on Russian and Jewish sources.
    Prof. Yohanan Petrovsky-Shtern summarized the many critiques addressed to the book: ”the 200 Years Together’ is destined to take a place of honor in the canon of russophone antisemitica.” Needless to say that it was characterized as “worthless as historical scholarship”.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Commentator Mike
  286. Robjil says:
    @Seraphim

    Aleksandr Isaevich Solzhenitsyn’s “200 years together” is not “anti-Semitic”. I read the translated versions on the internet. I found the time before the revolution the most interesting part of the book. At least that part should be published.

    Here is Solzhenitsyn’s reason for publishing this book. In the book, he records what he found in the records, no hysterical writing at all.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265759424_Two_Hundred_Years_Together

    Throughout a half century’s work on the history of the Russian Revolution, I have touched on the question of Russian-Jewish relations many times. Doing so has often served as a way into events and into human psychology, but the question has elicited heated passion. I have long hoped that some writer, before I myself had the opportunity, would shed light for us all on this difficult topic, and in a manner that is thorough, two-sided, and equitable.

    I have never conceded anyone’s right to conceal events that have occurred. I cannot call for an accord based on unjust witness to the past. I call on both parties, Russian and Jewish, to engage each other with tolerant mutual understanding and in recognition that each has its share of sin. Though it would be so much easier to turn aside and say: Well, it was not our fault… I am sincerely trying to understand both sides. To do so, I study events rather than [engage in] polemics. My attempt is to report. I enter into arguments only in those unavoidable cases where justice is covered by layers…

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  287. @Tom Verso

    “In short the political, economic and financial elites are not … definitely not … lacking in “Real intellect, courage and integrity”.

    I understand the point you’re trying to make, but have to wonder if you’re not confusing the fruits of the `elites` themselves with the fruits of those they employ. Have you never heard Bush Jr. speak, or read about what John Kerry’s really did in Vietnam? To name just a few.

    • Replies: @Tom Verso
  288. Seraphim says:
    @Robjil

    Well, of course it is not ‘antisemitic’. It was declared so, reason enough to ban it in the ADL/AIPAC colony which assumed the task to combat ‘antisemitism’ all over the world. In addition it is ‘Russian disinformation’.
    If anything, it goes too soft and sounds rather apologetic for the Russians. Besides, its scope is too limited, both in space (Russia) and time (200 years) to be able to give an adequate picture of the depth and extension of the problem. It does not discuss ‘the Jewish Question’, but rather tries to show that the presentation of Russian-Jewish relations as string of relentless discrimination, mistreatment, persecutions, victimization, scapegoating, is not warranted.
    I read the book before many who ‘discovered’ it have heard of it, in translations made in France and Romania (where the problem is as acute as in Russia, if no more, Romania being among the countries who refuse to ‘acknowledge her guilt in the Holocaust’).

    • Replies: @Robjil
  289. Smith says:
    @Rahan

    Always enjoy those.

    The germano- slavic & japanese pulp sci-fi/fantasy have always been the best. In fact, the japs turning into isekai/MMORPG horseshit have been disappointing, mecha anime/manga is best anime/manga.

    Nowadays these aesthetics/setting live on in only in european vidya games.

    https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.playstationbit.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F02%2FKings-Bounty-2.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

    https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Foceanofgames.live%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F07%2Fmetro-exodus.png&f=1&nofb=1

    Hopefully after the downfall of the US Empire, the world will go back to this aesthetics of tuff macho guys with huge guns/swords and sexy feminine girls again.

  290. Smith says:
    @Rahan

    Always enjoy those.

    As a Viet, the germano- slavic & japanese pulp sci-fi/fantasy have always been the best. In fact, the jap fantasy media turning into isekai/MMORPG horseshit have been disappointing, mecha anime/manga is best anime/manga.

    Nowadays these aesthetics/setting live on in only in european vidya games.

    https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.playstationbit.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F02%2FKings-Bounty-2.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

    https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Foceanofgames.live%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F07%2Fmetro-exodus.png&f=1&nofb=1

    Hopefully after the downfall of the US Empire, the world will go back to this aesthetics of tuff macho guys and sexy feminine girls again.

    • Replies: @Rahan
  291. Seraphim says:
    @Zarathustra

    Oh, come on! Now you are joking.
    I was not talking about Siberia. Vorkuta is close to the Urals, on the Russian side. Read at least Wikipedia:
    ”Vorkutlag was one of the largest camps in the GULAG system with 73,000 prisoners at its peak in 1951, containing Soviet and foreign prisoners including prisoners of war, dissidents, political prisoners, “enemies of the state” and common criminals who were used as forced labor in the coal mining works…was established by Soviet authorities in 1932, on a site in the basin of the Pechora River, located within the Komi ASSR of the Russian SFSR (present-day Komi Republic, Russia), approximately 1,900 kilometres (1,200 mi) from Moscow and 160 kilometres (99 mi) above the Arctic Circle. The city of Vorkuta was established to support the camp, which was constructed to exploit the resources of the Pechora Coal Basin, the second largest coal basin in the Soviet Union”.
    And guess what. Vorkuta is known for the uprising of the inmates in 1953, brutally repressed of course.

  292. @Seraphim

    It’s easy enough to print the English translation by yourself from the Internet. And bind it too.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  293. antibeast says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    betray a person who, obviously, has a very limited, if any, practical experience with Jews and their recognizable idiosyncrasies. Jews generally are not Western people, including these very “Western” Ashkenazi and including many Jews, indeed, contributing to Western culture. What’s next, you will tell me that you are the follower of “Judeo-Christian” tradition.

    My personal experience working with both Ashkenazis and Israelis makes me conclude that the former are ‘Western’ while the latter are ‘Asiatics’. The Christian Zionists are what Edward Said calls ‘Orientalists’ in the pejorative sense of that word as are the so-called ‘Judeo-Christians’, both of which are heretical to Western Christianity founded on Roman Catholicism.

    As I’ve posted earlier, the Yanks lack a cultural identity of their own, despite hanging on to their English ethnic heritage. That’s because they’re no longer British after gaining their independence from the British Crown but had to redefine themselves based on this weird ‘Christian Zionist’ and/or ‘Judeo-Christian’ identity which originated from the English Puritans who settled in New England. That plus ‘Mammonism’ sums up the Yanks.

  294. yurivku says:

    Кукушка хвалит петуха за то, что хвалит он кукушку.

    https://deti-online.com/basni/basni-krylova/kukushka-i-petuh/

    It’s an old fable.

  295. Fr. John says:
    @Franz

    “If anything, the elites are finding new and exciting ways to divide Americans further, and nobody is happier about it than the social media addicts…”

    I would agree with the column, and your response.

    Clearly, everyone sees the Jewish Elephant in the room, but no one wants to talk about it. Jews created this cancer, they are the first that need to be excised. Proprietary freezing of all Jewish assets, expulsion, and trial for all ‘crimes against humanity’ [Sacklers/Oxycontin opioid genocide of white America, for one] would be a good start, but it isn’t the “final solution” by any means.The complicity of J-words in every facet of our national death is LEGION. I’m deadly serious.
    And the heresy of Dispensationalism -giving the Deicides a ‘pass’ over and over and over and over again (and presuming to ‘advise’ Presidents, Governors, Senators and persons in true power) since the days of Falwell, Swaggart, Robertson, et al., is inexcusable.

    Secession is now every day, appearing more and more necessary, and not just a wish for the ‘good old’ days.’ It will be our children’s children who will see this- we have to engaged in ‘blood, sweat, and tears’ and a HELL of a lot of prayer and fasting, to excise THIS demon! A mono-racial, (explicitly creedal/trinitarian, non-cultic) mono- religious, mono-linguistic nation, comprised of the heartland -and a few counties on the edges of the “Left Coast” with access to the sea on both sides- is the only thing that will save America from her J-overlords, and the attendant slave class – [along with the BLM/Antifa golem] that has not stopped being slaves, (much to their ignorance) but have merely changed their ‘Massa’ to the FEDGOV, since ‘Emancipation.’ Escape from New York? It’s no longer a film, it’s the White Man’s survival tactic. Misericordie, Domine.

    • Thanks: Franz, anarchyst
  296. Robjil says:
    @Seraphim

    The reason why he only did 200 years is that there was very few Jews in the Russian Empire before 1795.

    1795 is the year that the Russian Empire took over a large part of the Polish-Lithuanian Kingdom. This Kingdom, for many centuries, was the center of the largest Ashkenazi population in Europe.

    The Pale of Settlement was created to keep the Ashkenazis within the Old Polish-Lithuanian area of the Russian Empire. It was a quite large area, about the size of Alaska. The reason for this, the Russians noticed how the Ashkenazis did not play fair with peasants of this region. The Russians did not want this type of behavior in the rest of Russian Empire.

    The part of the book detailing after the Revolution, talks of the massive migration of Ashkenazis to non-Settlement areas of the Russian Empire. They took up top positions in the Soviet Union, since they were now able to go anywhere in the Old Russian Empire.

  297. Tom Verso says:
    @TheTrumanShow

    Martyanov is caring water for the oligarchs by diverting attention away from them and arguing that politicians and media people are the problem.


    I think we are in agreement, it is just a matter of equivocal language.

    The word ‘elites’ is, of course, a highly equivocal one, which denotes many different people in various different context: ‘media elites’, ‘political elites’, financial elites’, etc.

    Essentially I am using the word to apply to the oligarchical elites who essentially dominate (control) the political economy of Western Civilization through their operatives in government, business and media. They are largely non-people to the masses and can only be identified by social scientific research.

    The prominent political people like the Bush family and the Bidens, etc; the big names in TV talk programs, etc. are essentially in the employ of the oligarchical elites.

    Any media person who significantly wavers from the oligarchical program on for example: race and gender issues, war, economy, etc, is fired.

    Any political person who wavers loses an election,

    Any corporation that wavers is subject to a take-over,

    Etc.

    The politicians, media people, corporate executives say things about, for example, military issues that upon analysis by experts such as Martyanov can easily demonstrate are on the face of it ‘stupid’. But, they are not saying ‘stupid’ things because they are dumb and uninformed. They are saying ‘stupid things’ because their job is to convince the masses that policies are beneficial to the masses when in fact they are detrimental to the masses and beneficial to the oligarchical elite.

    When politicians and media people say that a weapons system is excellent, make America safe and is cost effective. That person knows nothing about the weapon. He is told, de facto by the oligarchs, what to say under pain of losing the garish life style he is use to.

    Martyanov in his previous books and regularly on his blog keeps saying that the politicians and commentators are ‘stupid’. Because the weapons they are talking about are not effective and efficient. He does not recognize that they are being paid to say things regardless of effectiveness and efficiency. The oligarchs benefit from the weapon and that is all that counts.

    The F35 jet plane is by virtually all military analysis a waste of money. The generals who solicited the trillion (literally) dollars from congress to build and deploy the plane were not stupid. The media people who told the masses that they were lucky to have such a plane defending them were not stupid. They were, de facto, on the payroll of the oligarch in whose banks the money ended up.

    The Navy is decommissioning Literal ships less than 10 years old because they are not useful. The money to build those ships and decommission those ships and replace those ships is in the banks of the oligarchs. The Admirals who told congress that the ships were wonderful were not stupid. The media people who celebrated the ships were not stupid. Both were, de facto, told what to say to congress and the public by the oligarchs.

    Martyanov, himself, is caring water for the oligarchs by diverting attention away from them and arguing that politicians and media people are the problem.

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @Anonymous
  298. Rahan says:
    @Smith

    Ah, yes, the mighty German pulps. Wolfgang Hohlbein is awesome.
    His “Charity” alien invasion serial, and most of the other stuff; the thrillers, the horror, the sci-fi.
    https://www.kostenlosonlinelesen.net/covers/04/78/92/cover.jpg

    [MORE]

    https://im0-tub-com.yandex.net/i?id=9eebe35245561d0c0f1c536fd418cacc&n=13&exp=1

    https://im0-tub-com.yandex.net/i?id=d5d3e68a06481dbd0bf22587fe03818e&n=13&exp=1

    Incredible how he’s got one lousy middle grade book translated into English, out of hundreds badass pulps, and it’s been read by like ten people.
    Something’s seriously wrong.

  299. Miro23 says:
    @Tom Verso

    The F35 jet plane is by virtually all military analysis a waste of money. The generals who solicited the trillion (literally) dollars from congress to build and deploy the plane were not stupid. The media people who told the masses that they were lucky to have such a plane defending them were not stupid. They were, de facto, on the payroll of the oligarch in whose banks the money ended up.

    Yes and no. There’s the short term and the long term. In the short term the oligarch’s are right, that political manipulation converts into billions of dollar for themselves, but in the longer term it imperils their current life support system (US society/economy ).

    Maybe they’re planning to be the aristocrats of a neo-feudal USA (if China doesn’t finish with it first) or alternatively they just head elsewhere to the next ready prepared host country and let the US crash and burn.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Tom Verso
  300. Anonymous[258] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tom Verso

    Typo! Spell checker strikes again!

    The Navy is decommissioning Literal ships less than 10 years old because they are not useful.

    For those who don’t know, the word should be “Littoral”, areas near the coastline both inland and at sea. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/littoral

    The original idea wasn’t that bad. Littoral waters are different from open sea, and difficult for blue water ships (those ships intended for open sea). There is considerable commercial coastal traffic, and there may be shore based weapons as well, surface skimming anti-ship missiles.

    The original mission was to conduct “stability operations”, essentially keeping governments from being displaced by insurgencies. The Littoral ships were intended to be designed to commercial rather than military standards, hence to be cheap and to operate in littoral waters rather than blue water, hence also cheap. Even back then, the US was short on cash, so rather than build many different kinds of ships, one per typical mission in a stability operation (e.g., Coast Guard, helicopter assault ship, SOF insertion/retrieval, search and rescue), the US decide to build one single “reconfigurable” class of ships that would be cheap and would serve as a sort of “network bus”, like that in your computer that accept different graphics cards / network cards / real time control cards, etc. depending on the application. They were also supposed to be automated to reduce crew pay, and this was supposed to be feasible because the Littoral ships would never see serious combat, in the way that the US Coast Guard never sees serious combat. To top matters off, Congress decided to cancel the classs of fire support ships that was supposed to protect the Littoral ships. So the Littoral ships got the fire support ship mission also.

    This was much like telling the Air Force that it needed to have one low cost aircraft that could carry 500 troops from New York to California, defend the nation’s skies (air superiority), be VTOL from unimproved airfields, and (to please the Department of Agriculture) serve as crop duster. Not even the F35 had that many missions.

    To top the matter off, the resulting camel design (camels being an elephant designed by committee), was rejected by the Navy on the grounds that the fire mission, plus the danger of mines, made Littoral ship a combat ship, but a combat ship built (to save money) as a commercial ship. That is, it was a death trap if it took battle damage. The addition of the fire support mission made the Littoral ship a combat ship and invalidated the original design concept.

    Additionally, about this time the US Congress stopped writing budgets and started “continuing resolutions”, which took a good deal of flexibility out of budgeting. On top of that, that’s about the time the US Navy shot down an Iranian passenger aircraft, and (rumor has it) shot down a US passenger aircraft off the East Coast. This established that operations in littoral waters were, in all likelihood, politically impossible, just too risky.

    So, the Navy ended up with the current Littoral Camel. No surprise, and I’m not a strong advocate of the US Navy, or shipbuilding programs back then, but — it wasn’t entirely the Navy’s fault.

    You demon hunters who look for the Devil in specific areas – “Aerospace industry”, “military – industrial complex”, “the rich”, “the banks”, etc. should realize that you’re really looking at something like a rotten apple– the whole thing is rotten, not just a part. Or, more accurately, the audience to demon hunters should stop listening. At their best the demon hunters are implying that there are non-rotten parts, and their aren’t any.

    • Replies: @Tom Verso
  301. annamaria says:
    @Miro23

    “They” have been doing some “clearance” (including getting rid of the locals) in Patagonia.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  302. Tom Verso says:
    @Anonymous

    My Red Face:
    Littoral” not Literal”

    Yes of course. Sometimes I type faster than I read. Thank you for pointing out the error.

    ….

    More to your general point:

    “demon hunters who look for the Devil in specific areas – “Aerospace industry”, “military – industrial complex”, “the rich”, “the banks”, etc. should realize that you’re really looking at something like a rotten apple– the whole thing is rotten, not just a part.

    Essentially I agree. Hence my repeated reference to oligarchy by which I mean the essence of, in your words, “the whole rotten thing,”

    I only use the Navy and Air Force as illustrations consistent with the Martyanov book, which we are discussing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  303. Tom Verso says:
    @Miro23

    Intersting point:

    “in the longer term [political manipulation] imperils [the oligarch’s] current life support system (US society/economy ).

    The economist Michael Hudson has written a book, many articles and recorded podcast arguing just that point. The title of his book says it all: Killing the Host

    Hudson sees the financial industry as analogous to biological parasites feeding on a host, which ultimately results in the host dying.

    The great historian Arnold J Toynbee in his 12 volume “Study of History” documents, that repeatedly though out history, “dominate minorities” get control of Civilizations resulting in the demise of the Civilization. He documents this pattern over dozens of Civilizations.

    Currently, Western Civilization is dominated by a dominate financial minority and the evidence the Civilizations decline is preponderous.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  304. Miro23 says:
    @annamaria

    “They” have been doing some “clearance” (including getting rid of the locals) in Patagonia.

    On reflection, their optimal solution would be to enable MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) to vaporize the US, Russia and China while they exit and take control of Australasia and large chunks of Southern South America. It seems crazy but these places are not so much affected by nuclear fallout.

    You really have to stretch your mind with these guys, but they’re already busy in these areas.

    • Replies: @the grand wazoo
    , @Seraphim
  305. Seraphim says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Internet has changed many things, hasn’t it?
    ”For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known. Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops”.

  306. I can’t shake the feeling that a certain set if people are falling off their bar stools because they can’t stop laughing at what they did to the USA. Bill Gates can’t keep a straight face when preaching. We are in a perpetual state of helplessness. It’s not by accident that one day we are told to this, and another that, then back to this. They make bets on what they can make their stooges like Fauci say, and what hoop we will jump through today. All vying to be the super cuck champion. Ex CIA Brennan says “I’m ashamed to be a white male”. And when the interview host, a white woman, laughs in his face, he didn’t miss a beat. Some one won big on that wager. Somehow by vote or fraud, they are positions to reign over us, to appoint the transgender, the mentally ill, and the limp wristed; governors like Newsome and Cuomo. And in their thirst for blood they will eat their own. Yes, the horizon is dark.

  307. @Miro23

    You have a fair point there. The southern hemisphere is larger than we know, or are allowed to know. Take a look at commercial jet traffic from anywhere south of the 30th or 40th parallel to Australia. There’s something strange about it. In S. America you’ll also find 100s of thousands of acres owned by the royal family, Bush family, and wealthy Israelis.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  308. Seraphim says:
    @Miro23

    This scenario was ‘peddled’ in Australia by a ‘lunatic fringe’ already in the ’80-’90s. There were whispers about huge underground anti-atomic shelters underneath the new building of the Parliament House in Canberra. People were still under the influence of the famous 1959 movie ‘On the Beach’, screen adaptation of the novel ‘On the Beach’ by the British-Australian author Neville Shute (remade in 2000 as an Australian television film by Southern Star Productions), which created the illusion that Australia would not be ‘so much affected by nuclear fallout’ (although the message of the novel and film was the exact opposite) and much likely boosted emigration to Australia.

  309. @Jmaie

    Hate to break it too you but if they turned 100% of the new growth of all life on this planet into bio-fuel we would have around enough to replace 1/400th of the oil we burn every year. Bio fuel will starve millions of people and still not really help.

    • Agree: Mulga Mumblebrain
  310. @ruralguy

    They don’t rationally understand the problem, because only 15% of American adults can form a high-level inference from texts. Only about 3% can function at a very high level.

    Ah, maybe that’s why so many Unz regulars believe all kinds of fantastical nonsense that is completely removed from reality.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  311. Seraphim says:
    @Squarebeard

    Not ‘maybe’, but because. They don’t read anymore. They cannot focus their attention on a text. All their ‘historical’ information comes from youtube ‘documentaries’, where the information is conveyed through a little drama played by actors (in all cases bearing no resemblance with the real historical personages they impersonate).

  312. Franz says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    There is no other way to use it–only pejorative.

    Terrific to know.

    I had a wonderful Russian uncle as a kid, he married my mom’s younger sister. He was always slamming us when we were being irritating (ie, acting our age) with his splendidly-bellowed shouting of “You rotten kids! All NYE-KULTURNY!”

    My dad, who knew some Russian, said it was just their word for like “dummy” or “hick” or “shiftless slob”.

    There was something special about when he hollered it though. Years ago, sorely missed.

  313. @the grand wazoo

    My God! The Earth is a pear! Flat-earthers eat your heart out!

  314. @Tom Verso

    Which is why China is safe, unless the eunuchs make a come-back.

  315. @annamaria

    Scruton, the tobacco industry propagandist? That Scruton? Dead you say? Pity.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  316. Anonymous[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tom Verso

    I only use the Navy and Air Force as illustrations consistent with the Martyanov book, which we are discussing.

    Sorry, that last paragraph was my mistake. I should have written it to refer to all demon hunters, and not to your post. Apologies.

  317. The comparisons drawn between the collapse of the former CCCP and the USA in terms of both financial and global military posture can be dismantled by the proverbial expression, comparing apples with oranges. When the USD does collapse our nine hundred or so overseas military bases will be privatized, open for business as it were for contract or sale to the highest bidders. Namely those vested in the preservation of transnational corporate entities wherever that particular local might be. The USA will continue to be a major bread basket for the world and it’s global military posture, especially on the high seas, by default will maintain order during a financial reset period between the era of The fiat currency Bretton Woods system and Western Occident Nations v.s.the new SCO/BRICs digital and gold currency zones. These distinct groups are gradually evolving into what the Pentagon top brass view as two separate, emerging geographic zones, not unlike Orwell’s 1984 version of Oceania and Eurasia. This fictional representation of the future became reality when Admiral Cebrowski and Thomas P. M. Barnett published the new the shape of the world-a stratagem created by Pentagon brass.

    Only the US has amassed a five hundred ship navy and the air power to back it up from closely allied countries UK, Canada, Middle east nations and various island nations in the south Pacific. In short, our military will continue to do what it has always done (no less than the Roman Empire did ) a protection and extortion racket with even less control and over site by Washington once the collapse begins. The joker in the deck will be a marriage between AI and Nuclear weapons, this grave error and it’s inevitability with stand out as the greatest threat to all of humanity. God help us!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  318. annamaria says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    You need to recall the famous proverb featuring a speck and a beam.
    Scruton was a human, not a self-proclaimed saint.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  319. @Mephisto

    It wasn’t an experiment. It was planned.

  320. @annamaria

    He made money from assisting in the murdering of people in the most ghastly manner. Some ‘speck’.

  321. ValMonde says:
    @Zarathustra

    Here is a summary.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Expeditionary_Force,_Siberia
    Even in Russia the whole episode has sunk into a memory hole.
    There was no major battle and eventually the yankees did the right thing: going home. After, as usual, exhausting all other options.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  322. Alfred says:
    @anarchyst

    the vents on the bottom of the ocean that are constantly spewing out hydrocarbon products?

    Please tell us what happens to these “hydrocarbon products” when they float to the surface. Do they migrate to the beaches of Tel Aviv? 🙂

    Or is there a special version of “heavy” hydrocarbons that only exists on the bottom of oceans?

    Israel is cleaning up tonnes of tar from its beaches, but the origins of the spill are shrouded in mystery

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  323. anarchyst says:
    @Alfred

    All through the oceans of the world, there are “globs of hydrocarbons” commonly known as unrefined “bunker oil” which is more like “globs of grease” which need to be heated in order to flow. The hydrocarbons emanating from the ocean floor vents are hot and in a liquid state. As they cool, they conglomerate into “globs of grease”…

  324. ValMonde says:
    @Seraphim

    “Bolsheviks (…) denied all the achievements of the Tsars on which they built on, giving themselves the credit for them.”

    Technically, untrue. No one wanted the fall of the Romanovs more than Russian liberals, big landowners, francmasones and Russian aristocracy – including the Romanov Grand Dukes. The upcoming coup and a possible Romanovs’ execution were discussed openly. Nicholas II’s abdication was actually celebrated by the Orthodox Synod. There were more tsarist officers in the Red Army than in the White movement. And war gave Bolsheviks a very acute understanding of historical continuity.

    So, ”What is to be done?” comrade? Read Shalamov?

    Time for reading is over. Prepare for war.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  325. @ValMonde

    Thank you! All I do know that Reds and whites were in the middle of the war. Americans decided to help whites and they sent Two ships to Murmansk with arms and ammunition. They did have two regiments To guard the armaments after unloading. They did let know Vlasov that armaments are coming. Vlasov with his cavalry was racing to Murmansk. Reds did have some spies among Vlasov army, So Reds did load a train with soldiers and sent it to Murmansk. There was some shooting duel with American soldiers, who were guarding the arms. But American soldiers did see that odds are overwhelmingly against them so they withdraw and boarded the ships,
    When Vlasov did arrive the weapons were already half way to Petrograd.
    On the way back Vlasov aim himself on Yekaterinsburg. He wanted to free the Czar.
    Reads evaluated his moves and because they did not have enough soldiers to stand up to Vlasov at that location they did kill the czar and his family

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  326. j9 says:

    Is this the root cause ?

    Assassination of The Kennedy Brothers

    • Thanks: annamaria
  327. Seraphim says:
    @Zarathustra

    Vlasov? No wonder that the confusion is total.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  328. Anonymous[831] • Disclaimer says:
    @elmerfudzie

    1] The US has enforced a peace that has killed many people, but has made life possible for many more. The US, whatever else it does, protects world trade and world trade routes. It is only the efficiencies of world trade that have made the current 7 odd billion world population possible. The Romans in the early Empire also had an open trade area, also centralized, and had very efficient industries, usually ceramic, so when the Empire fell, the European population fell with it (https://en.wikipedia-on-ipfs.org/wiki/Late_Antiquity.html ). Calling free trading areas / efficient industries a “protection and extortion racket” is seriously misleading in that it ignores the activity’s positive sum nature.

    2] The US can’t staff (actually, “man”) its military anymore. Its military also needs recapitalization, which it cannot get largely because US cities are becoming uninhabitable there and the recapitalization is subsidizing immediate consumption in an unsuccessful attempt to keep the lid on urban civil unrest. Consequently, the US military’s equipment is gradually becoming obsolete.
    The US Army has found that its conventional forces are not useful in contemporary occupation duty, that its Special Operations organizations are not capable of a strategic effect without concomitant large scale action by conventional forces. Consequently the US Army is reduced to a defensive war of outposts and fortified areas, with mercenaries conducting almost all operations that incur casualties.
    The US Navy is having difficulties in conducting peacetime operations, and the USAF is has recently deployed obsolete aircraft (the Lancer) on possible combat missions near the Russian Federation’s borders.
    The current Administration’s priorities appear to be exacerbating the above situation, eroding capabilities as part of political theater intended, again, to keep the lid on urban civil unrest.

    3] The US polity has been slowly losing its legitimacy, and is now losing it very quickly after the 2020 Federal elections. The post-WW II template has been maintained through inertia after a dominant leader died (Stalin’s 1917 Leninist template, FDR’s 1932 New Deal template), followed by rejection of reform (Khrushchev, JFK), then a series of empty suits (such as Reagan trying to protect the New Deal against Progressive Democrats using the 1964 CRA to shut down the New Deal on racial grounds), followed by a reformer who is deposed by the empty suits for being a great revealer (Gorbachev, Trump), and the attempt by the empty suits to use of force to restore the status quo pre-reformer, is striking. Also striking is the decline of American physical and labor capital, to include the machine tool industry and the educational establishment. (Actually, the USSR had much better education in its last decades than the US does now.) The American industrial decline has made recapitalization physically impossible, and has now left the US without the ability to support its population absent heavy borrowing and currency debasement. This decline also characterized the USSR during its empty suit era.

    4] There are conjectures that the US Federal Government could call in foreign assistance to prevail against passive resistance by the Republican led states. It might, but a substantive response is unlikely. I suspect that the rest of the world will follow its own affairs (regional wars, an attempt to make the Silk Road initiative succeed, forming new alliances) rather than attempt intervention in the US. If the USSR analogy holds, the US will be left to sort out its own internal differences, and the sorting out will be as bad for the US as it was for the Russians. World trade will contract, and world population will decline, perhaps quickly.
    If you want a more or less respected TEOTWAKI novel set in that scenario, try “The Mandibles”, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mandibles . It’s a bit optimistic about the international consequences of an American debt repudiation, but has some jarring although possible touches such as the PRC invading Japan.

    5] Or, perhaps, the rest of the world will find itself free of a “protection and extortion racket”, change its historical nature completely, and build a new Golden Age, finally free from Whiteness of the American sort. At one point early in EU history, that was a very similar revisionist view of the tail end of Late Antiquity / Early Medieval transition: “Hurray, the Romans are gone, let’s celebrate!”. The revisionists were apparently trying to make German domination of the EU more palatable by making the Germans’ ancestors more likeable. Turned out that the Early Medieval period was an era of rapid European population decline, and regime of the new rulers, Germanic tribal amalgamations, has been likened to rule by motorcycle gangs*. If you want to believe that the end of world stabilization by the US means the world is about to enter a Golden Age, however, feel free to do so.

    • Nothing against the Germans here. The tribal amalgamations (example: Alemanni, “All Men”) had specialized in fighting the Romans for several Centuries, and had never faced the problem of what to do after they won. Germanic religion during these Centuries had increasingly emphasized death worship: combat as the ultimate good for men, and the afterlife as a continuous mead hall beer party between missions, even though everybody at the party knew they’d lose and die again during Ragnarök. The amalgamations had only rudimentary guidelines to prevent fighting between their member tribes, and (although their leaders usually wanted to preserve Roman society), they had no idea of how to do so. Even putting experienced Roman administrator into subordinate posts failed – the conquests had destroyed the large trade areas upon which Roman business depended, and effectively destroyed the Empire’s industry and agricultural markets. With no tools and no place to sell their produce, even farming became much less productive. The whole story was an exercise in historical inevitability, much as is our story today.

  329. antibeast says:
    @Anonymous

    Your post is the best summary of the problems, issues and challenges facing the USA, writ large, that I’ve read here. Allow me to comment on some of the points you’ve raised:

    The US has enforced a peace that has killed many people, but has made life possible for many more. The US, whatever else it does, protects world trade and world trade routes. It is only the efficiencies of world trade that have made the current 7 odd billion world population possible.

    This was true during the Cold War when the USA faced the Soviet Union which was hostile to the Capitalist West and its mantra of ‘Free Trade’. But that was no longer true after the Fall of the Soviet Union when the USA effectively became the lone superpower in the world. Why then did the USA dismember Yugoslavia, destroy Iraq, invade Afghanistan, destabilize Ukraine, support Al Qaeda/ISIS and bomb lots of Muslim countries?

    The Romans in the early Empire also had an open trade area, also centralized, and had very efficient industries, usually ceramic, so when the Empire fell, the European population fell with it. Calling free trading areas / efficient industries a “protection and extortion racket” is seriously misleading in that it ignores the activity’s positive sum nature.

    The EU was founded in 1993 after the Maastricht Treaty came into force, just a few years after the Fall of the Soviet Union which would be analogous to the Fall of the Roman Empire. After having ‘won’ the Cold War, the Capitalist West as represented by the EU did expand to encompass most of Europe at the same time that NATO expanded all the way to the Baltic States. That the USA not the EU ended up footing the bill for NATO doesn’t make it sound like a ‘protection and extortion racket’ to me. However, US military interventions in the Middle East do look like a ‘protection and extortion racket’ because the USA benefits from the Petrodollar regime maintained by US military might which has allowed the USA to become the world’s largest debtor nation by leveraging on the status of the USD as the world’s reserve currency.

    Likewise in East Asia, one could also argue that Japan and South Korea have to pay ‘protection and extortion’ money to the USA in return for military protection in as well as the sale of weapons systems to those East Asian countries, just like the Middle East. With the advent of regional initiatives such as the ASEAN-led RCEP and China-led BRI, East and Southeast Asian countries have increasingly turned to pan-Asian multilateralism as their preferred means of economic integration, rather than rely on the US-led neoliberal Capitalist order as maintained by the US military presence in that part of Asia.

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  330. Sidney says:
    @Priss Factor

    Please Priss Factor, we all thought up here that nonsense of Canada being the 51st state was long buried. Look, we have plenty of problems up here, including divine hatred of that Globalist prime minister we have in the person of Justin “I am a Feminist” Trudeau. This idiocy of Canada being a 51st state is not the answer to the ongoing white genocide problem we have in North America. Perhaps the real answer is separation, with whites from around Canada and the United States coming together and forming our own new country unrelated to those we left.

  331. Seraphim says:
    @ValMonde

    The Red Army was practically the Russian Army reconstituted from the disbanded units by the Revolution, when the Bolshevik Government realized that it would be hard for a militia armed with revolutionary enthusiasm to prevail against professional armies. The officers were drafted. There was patriotism also, of course – the case of Brusilov, a noted ‘Slavophile’ and Orthodox with a distaste for Germans developed during his command of the XIV Corps in the Warsaw Military District (1908-1912), a hero of WW1, adored and revered by his men.
    Lenin recognized that: “”You have heard about the series of the brilliant victories won by the Red Army. There are tens of thousands of old colonels and other officers in its ranks. If we had not taken them into service and them work for us, we could not have created the Army…only with their help was the Red Army able to win the victories that it did.”
    Tsarist officers made up the majority of the General Staff Academy’s faculty and constituted over 90 percent of all instructional and administrative staff at military schools. The Stavka was organised in a manner very similar to its Tsarist antecedent and much of the military curriculum was copied from the Imperial General Staff Academy. They have been replaced gradually by the new cadres, not necessarily because of doubts about their loyalty, but rather because many reached the inevitable retirement age. Stalin finished the complete restoration of the traditional Russian Army.
    Same goes for the economy.

  332. @Anonymous

    Wow anonymous! what a diatribe…I’m not sure I can take (all the) credit for your many and enlightening points. I’ll respond in this way; It’s been almost two decades since I read an outstanding book by Gore Vidal, titled Imperial America.
    ASIDE: As you probably already know, he was one of our country’s (USA) most prolific writers and intellectuals.

    In the book I distinctly recall Vidal’s summary of our Navy and it’s actions on the high seas. He refers to a Captain Mahan, (soon to become admiral) who gave a series of lectures at the Naval War College where he compared the historical perspective between the USA’s and England’s navies. The lectures can be summarized in this way; we are both island states and it is essential to prevail in the world through enormous sea power. England already had proven this to be true. Great navies are expensive and the wealth of new “colonies”, AKA third world countries hopelessly in our grasp thru loans from the IMF and World Bank and of course Uncle Sam’s handouts with many strings attached, would pay us handsomely and indeffinitely. The defenseless nations with ready access to brown or blue water would pay for our fleets. The momentum to create a five hundred ship Navy began with Theodore Roosevelt and even to this day, President Reagan is quoted as saying we need a six hundred ship Navy. Again, Captain Mahan emphasized, we must build a great Navy in order to acquire overseas possessions i.e. seek out extractive economies blessed with strategic metals and cheap labor. Meanwhile the transnational corporations would act as influential go between(s) from the Pentagon to Congress and simultaneously manipulate sovereign third world leaders, to cajole them into corporate mining rights and binding agreements. These exploitation’s by, lets face it now, Imperial America were supported by those reminiscences of one, General Smedley Butler the most decorated Marine in U.S. history. I mentioned him because you can’t have ground troops without a sizable naval support.

    In any case, I’m not against a powerful navy, projection of force (when necessary) or an ethically based exploitation of low tech countries under the umbrella of our military forces. I did say, extortion and protection racket because for the last one hundred years, the exploited labor forces and lands of second and third world counties were systematically abused, persons murdered or disappeared, incarcerated, brought into slave labor condition or at best indentured servitude. The transnational corporations ran “wild”, destroying Eco-systems and once the desired commodity was no longer profitable, abandoned the indigenous culture, people and lands…in the aftermath were decimated with scarring and pollution. None of these horror(s) were possible without an irresponsible projection of air, land and sea forces by our military. I include in this conspiracy, the long forgotten tales of the “Ugly American” who has accumulated a seemingly endless list of intrigues, color revolutions, crippling NGO’s, divide and conquer stratagems that created ethnic or religious divides in places where peace was the norm. These dystopian performances and unfortunate outcomes were concocted by the Pentagon, our CIA-an organization that early on, was hijacked by American oligarchs within the Rockefeller ilk. They are all morally and legally responsible for misusing and misdirecting military branches and intelligence agency field operatives throughout the globe.

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  333. wootendw says:

    “I urge every person living in the US or in the EU to read them. As I said, each of these books stands on its own, but together they reach a kind of intellectual critical mass which makes them truly “must read” books, especially for those who hate their ruling regime but love their country.” emphasis added

    Okay. I ordered the first book and pre-ordered Disintegration, using up my Amazon reward points and a few dollars more. Looking forward to them.

  334. Seraphim says:
    @antibeast

    ‘Culture’ is an agricultural metaphor derived from the Latin verb colo, colere, colui, cultus (foster, maintain live in (place), inhabit till, cultivate, promote growth). ‘Culture’ is a ‘place tilled’ for cultivation, the human activity of growing plants for food and other human uses, which intervenes in the process of growing for making them ‘grow well’ (fertilizing, watering, culling, weeding, deparasitizing).
    ‘Education’ is derived from the verb ‘educo’: bring up, rear (as in breeding and raising an animal for use or market).
    Culture came to refer (in the formulation of a Samuel Pufendorf, for example) ”to all the ways in which human beings overcome their original barbarism, and through artifice, become fully human” (as a social animal, zoon politicon) . The analogy was used first by Cicero who defined ‘philosophia’ as ‘cultura animi’.
    All societies have a culture. They all ‘cultivate’, supervise, direct, the growth of their children and correct tendencies to ‘grow badly’. It is what the ancient Greeks called παιδεία, paideía, the rearing and education of the ideal member of the polis or state. Politeness, consideration for others, respect for parents and ancestors, self-control, are the markers of the ‘cultured’ man. They are taught and the expectation ‘is to learned and put in practice in the everyday life. Of course, ‘cultus’, the worship of a divine founder of the world and of the ancestors, played a pivotal role.
    There were the urban socialites, ‘intellectuals’, the philosophers in abstractum, the fanatics of the ‘natural goodness’ and ‘autonomy’ of man (the men of ‘Enlightenment’ and revolutions and ‘Cancel Culture’), who introduced the idea of “negative education”, according to which education should be carried out, so far as possible, in harmony with the development of the child’s natural capacities by a process of apparently autonomous discovery, throwing out (and denouncing it as generator of relations of dominance and subordination, stifling the ‘freedom’ of the child) the traditional model of education where the teacher is a figure of authority who conveys knowledge and skills according to a pre-determined curriculum. In fact that man should follow unimpeded his ‘natural’ instincts and ‘pursuit of happiness’ (as anyone is free to determine what his happiness consist of). Obviously politeness has no more place in that worldview.

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  335. antibeast says:
    @Seraphim

    My definition of ‘Culture’ (with a capital ‘C’) is the collection of languages, religious beliefs, customs and traditions, ideals and the history of a people which ties them to a past. US citizens don’t have anything in common with each other in terms of ‘Culture’ which ties them to a shared past. All they have is a piece of paper which says they’re citizens of a Republic known as the ‘USA’ which is the current government of this land called ‘America’. What if the USA disappears from this land called ‘America’? Native Americans who are native to this land called ‘America’ would still be Native Americans. But what about the ‘White’ people of the USA? Would they still be ‘Americans’?

    • Agree: HeebHunter
  336. @Anonymous

    This stupid fucking mutt is still linking muttmerica to the Roman Empire, LOL

    The arrogance of these mulattoes.

  337. @Seraphim

    Only good thing about You is that you like to read.
    So!

    Instead of reading Google and Wikipedia read the Tichy Don (Quietly flows the the Don) By Nobel price Laureate Michael Sholochov
    You will find there everything about civil war in Russia,

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  338. Anonymous[610] • Disclaimer says:
    @antibeast

    Why then did the USA dismember Yugoslavia, destroy Iraq, invade Afghanistan, destabilize Ukraine, support Al Qaeda/ISIS and bomb lots of Muslim countries?

    This is a guess, a hypothesis rather than a thesis, but it fits several pieces together.

    The goes back to the disintegration of European society, which spread essentially from Eastern Europe to Imperial Russia, and was apparently caused by industrialization. European society had reformed itself several times since the Romans, and the most recent time (17th Century) had been a notable success. Standard of living rose, the Islamic (Turkish) invasion was rolled back, Europeans had command of the seas and the most profitable trade routes. It looked like the Industrial Revolution of the 19th Century would be another notable success.

    [MORE]

    But then things started to go wrong.

    English governmental forms proved unable to function as one went further East and South in Europe. The economically competitive Enlightenment society fit ethnically uniform England and (to an extent) France and Germany, but did not fit Italy or our example case, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, which was a patchwork of ethnicities and languages, the result of centuries of migrations from the Steppes. The Empire’s many patches of ethnic uniqueness had previously had semi-independent economies maintained by political force and a non-market economy, but a market economy and the end of the guilds (after the 1848 revolution) put them into direct competition. Some won, some lost, and the losers tried political remedies that destabilized the Austrian Empire (a similar pattern repeated in Imperial Russia, the Weimar Republic, the US, and later in Western Europe). The 1848 revolutions, unlike the Western European revolutions, did not produce a stable result in the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
    By 1914, unstable politics in Eastern Europe were the proximate cause of WW I, which could also be seen as an attempt by Imperial Britain to trim back their chief rival, Imperial Germany. Unfortunately, all participants found themselves in an Industrial Age war of populations, in which the productive and leaders were selectively killed or injured or sickened rather than rewarded. Instead of a short war that would determine the post-war dominance hierarchy, participants got a long attrition war that destabilized their society.

    After WW I, there was a frantic attempt to duplicate the successes of the Treaty of Westphalia and avoid repetition of WW I by applying a different and (at the time) promising ideology, which I will here refer to as the “1930s ideology”.* The attempt included a League of Nations and several new bases for civil government. The implemented attempts all featured an authoritarian government with a single leader and government control of the previously uncontrolled business / industrial sector ( Wolfgang Schivelbusch, Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt’s America, Mussolini’s Italy, and Hitler’s Germany, 1933-1939, 2006 ). Although Schivelbusch doesn’t say so, the parallels he draws between the US, Germany, and Italy also applied to the USSR.

    And things went even further wrong.

    Obviously, the 1930s ideology did not prevent WW II, and may have precipitated it. For the present hypothesis, the important part is this: all the applications of 1930s ideology (modified Enlightenment, an attempt to rule through rational government) have failed spectacularly (as of 2021). Italy and Germany didn’t survive WW II, failing in 1945. The USSR made it to 1991 before failing. The historical marker for US failure is probably 2020, although it’s too early to be sure of what the historians will pick as a marker.**** The 1930s ideology has failed in every real life application. The West is left with no workable ideology.

    So what does this have to do with the blockquote above?
    The 1930s ideology (there was really only one ideology, with a few minor variations) assumed two false premises: **
    i) Rational control of an economy in detail by government was possible and productive.
    ii) Human beings could and would adopt an industrial economy if the alternative was death through war, poverty, and internal security actions.

    So, with respect to the blockquoted question: The critical book is Fukuyama’s The End of History and the Last Man ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_History_and_the_Last_Man ), published and generally accepted by the West about the time that the above blockquoted military actions were mounted by the West. The book declares the triumph of the 1930s ideology. That is a bit strange, since three of the four countries that adopted the 1930s ideology, only one had survived to 1992, the book’s publication date. Perhaps Fukuyama’s book was more of a defiance of the lone surviving nations’ approaching failure than a declaration of triumph. Whatever Fukuyama’s book was, its declaration of triumph or defiance certainly marked general feeling in the West in 1992.

    The West thought itself in a world that wanted to be Western (“Liberal Democratic”), but was not, and could cite the emergence of the Asian Tigers and the PRC as examples of newly industrialized countries. The Western leadership asked itself: why wait a few hundred years for integration of the non-industrialized countries when, with a bit of military intervention, the world could be brought to Liberal Democracy in only a few decades? Why tolerate human suffering when it could be ended by forcible integration into the world system? Why, for that matter, take a chance on the possible emergence of a non-Liberal Democratic industrialization? Every last one of the four 1930s ideology countries had been faced with that problem, and every last one had said, every time, internationally or domestically, “Don’t wait, integrate”.*** Integration only worked twice (Japan, Germany), but towards the end it was more desperation than real belief in integration’s inevitability.

    And the US didn’t wait. That’s why the invasions, each of which was justified by the “liberation” of “oppressed” people who were largely outside the world trade network. The West hoped to duplicate its success in reforming Imperial Japan and the Third Reich of Germany. Further, the 3 out of 4 failures hadn’t gone entirely unnoticed, the failure of an industrialized nation absent a war of conquest hadn’t been considered possible before 1990 or so, and there was an element of ensuring the 1930s ideology would survive by eliminating all competition while such elimination was possible. You can see the same attitude today (2021) when you interact with a person who has what is called “Trump Derangement Syndrome”. They are vehement because they are fighting for what they think is their life (the 1930s ideology) and the US was also fighting for what it thought was its life in the above blockquoted military actions. Note that I say “for what it thought was” rather than “was”. Government act on beliefs, not reality. Usually governmental leadership, especially empty suit leadership, has no connection with reality, only with report and briefings.

    And the military actions didn’t succeed in establishing Liberal Democracy, because of (i) and (ii) above. But, succeed or fail, I’ve given my best guess as to why the actions occurred.

    * I’m using “ideology” in the sense of “ideo-“, self-concerned or self-contained, “logos”, words, that is, a body of words that is self-contained, self-referential, with its own premises that cannot be questioned. One analogy to ideology is an exercise in symbolic logic (e.g. Euclidian plane geometry) – the exercise’s logic can’t is correct, the exercise is very convincing, but Euclidian plane geometry does not describe the surface of the Earth.

    ** Note that the People’s Republic of China (PRC) has dropped both (i) and (ii) from their government ideology. Government does not try to manage business in any detail, and merely promotes it. Government does not assume that every ethnic group would adopt an industrial economy, it simply destroys or renders powerless those ethnic groups that will not adopt an industrial economy. China may become a serious threat to the West, and is incompatible with the 1930s ideology — hence is subjected to a variant of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    *** Following the same reasoning, the Soviet Russians had, in the 1920s, tried to incorporate Eastern Europe as Soviet Socialist Republics in the USSR.

    **** The 2020 Federal Elections are a marker because they are the point at which Liberal Democracy abandoned freedom (by resolving the tension between the US Constitution and the 1964 CRA, thus ending freedom of racial groups not covered in the CRA, and ended Democracy favoring 1930s ideology over all forms of populism and over universal freedom to assemble, to petition, and to freely discuss). As markers go, that’s not a bad one: it’s unmistakable, and it’s known within a few months of a specific year.

  339. @Anonymous

    Ideology, i do have to admit has a some influence on society,
    But true ruler of society is the living standard.
    The plebs are never altruistic.

  340. Anonymous[610] • Disclaimer says:

    Ideology, I do have to admit has a some influence on society,
    But true ruler of society is the living standard.
    The plebs are never altruistic.

    https://www.unz.com/tsaker/book-review-disintegration-by-andrei-martyanov/#comment-4512593

    The point of my https://www.unz.com/tsaker/book-review-disintegration-by-andrei-martyanov/#comment-4512344 was that living standard cannot explain the various military actions you mentioned. The military actions have any noticeable effect on US living standards, although they certainly affected living standards in the areas of operations.
    Nor can “populism” of any sort have been responsible. The voters were not asked about these military actions, not even indirectly through Congress. The voters were told after hostilities had commenced.

    From the voter’s point of view, there was no reason for the military actions.

    Furthermore, the actions were serious failures, no exceptions. My answer is to the question: “How could any institution fail so badly?”.

    The answer was fairly long, but I think it is correct. We are in a process that lasts a long time, and the principle of mediocrity says we are somewhere away from the start or end of it. To understand the situation, you have to understand what has happened so far and how the situation is likely to develop. I’ve taken four societies with similar conceptual frameworks (“ideologies”) and traced their history. The US is the last such society in existence (that’s the “what has happened so far” part, and it isn’t much of a stretch to say that its future will be somewhat like that of the three societies that have gone extinct (that’s the “how the situation is likely to develop” part).

    If you have corrections to this model, or a model of your own, I’d be interested in hearing them.

  341. Thank you!
    Living standard in US was not yet influenced to noticeable level, but please trust me it is coming.

  342. Seraphim says:
    @Zarathustra

    Also sprach Zarathustra!
    Then why not Solzhenitsyn? Nobel laureate too, for fiction literature. Why would you need history?

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  343. antibeast says:
    @Anonymous

    The implemented attempts all featured an authoritarian government with a single leader and government control of the previously uncontrolled business/industrial sector (Wolfgang Schivelbusch, Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt’s America, Mussolini’s Italy, and Hitler’s Germany, 1933-1939, 2006 ). Although Schivelbusch doesn’t say so, the parallels he draws between the US, Germany, and Italy also applied to the USSR.

    That was
    The 1930s ideology (there was really only one ideology, with a few minor variations) assumed two false premises: **
    i) Rational control of an economy in detail by government was possible and productive.
    ii) Human beings could and would adopt an industrial economy if the alternative was death through war, poverty, and internal security actions.

  344. @Seraphim

    We were talking about Vlasov. You find references to him in Tychy Don.
    It seem to me that you are dishonest person.
    I have already mentioned that I do not want to discuss with you anything. Why you pay attention to my comments? Is it some kind of sick obsession?

  345. Anonymous[610] • Disclaimer says:
    @elmerfudzie

    I don’t quite agree with your interpretation of Mahan. He did point out that, historically, English control of the sea had permitted it to win wars that it would have otherwise lost because it could not field large armies, and that control of the sea implied that control of trade could be enforced. Imperial Germany built its own navy, and discovered that sea power didn’t work for Germany. Instead, it scared the British enough to try to cripple or destroy Imperial Germany in an attempt to maintain the balance of power in Europe (rather like what the US is now trying to do to the Russian Federation and the People’s republic of China).

    As to the your second paragraph, your assertions are simply assertions. They describe evil acts done by evil actors because of will to power and hatred of out-groups. I’d point out the existence of the Asian Tigers, Japan, China, and for that matter contemporary Germany are counterexamples that could not exist if your assertions were substantively true. The US could very well have kept the rest of the world unindustrialized and helpless had it so chosen, but clearly did not so choose. If nothing else, from 1945-1949 the US had an experienced military, unmatched industrial capability, autarky, and a monopoly on nuclear weapons. It could have rolled right over an exhausted USSR (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1946%E2%80%9347). Failing that, the US could have simply not industrialized Japan or Korea during the Vietnam War, or frozen Japan out of the US auto market and later out of semiconductors.

    You might be interested in comment 345 in this comment stream (https://www.unz.com/tsaker/book-review-disintegration-by-andrei-martyanov/#comment-4512344 ), which discusses some real harm that the US has done, and how that real harm came about. If you look closely, you might see that that a universal standard of good can do considerable harm.

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  346. antibeast says:
    @Anonymous

    After WW I, there was a frantic attempt to duplicate the successes of the Treaty of Westphalia and avoid repetition of WW I by applying a different and (at the time) promising ideology, which I will here refer to as the “1930s ideology”.* The attempt included a League of Nations and several new bases for civil government. The implemented attempts all featured an authoritarian government with a single leader and government control of the previously uncontrolled business/industrial sector (Wolfgang Schivelbusch, Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt’s America, Mussolini’s Italy, and Hitler’s Germany, 1933-1939, 2006 ). Although Schivelbusch doesn’t say so, the parallels he draws between the US, Germany, and Italy also applied to the USSR.

    That ‘1930s’ economic school is called Keynesianism which was an attempt to address the shortcomings of Monetarism during the Great Depression. Schivelbusch’s model confuses FDR’s New Deal which was the American version of Keynesianism with Hitler’s Germany and Mussolini’s Italy which were byproducts of German Nazism and Italian Fascism, respectively. The Soviet Union was the byproduct of the Bolshevik Revolution which promoted International Communism based on Marxism-Leninism.

    The 1930s ideology (there was really only one ideology, with a few minor variations) assumed two false premises:
    i) Rational control of an economy in detail by government was possible and productive.
    ii) Human beings could and would adopt an industrial economy if the alternative was death through war, poverty, and internal security actions.

    What you’re saying is that Soviet Communism, American Keynesianism, German Nazism and Italian Fascism were the ideological byproducts of the same ‘1930s’ ideology based on government intervention in the industrial economy which was designed to uplift the material standards of living of the mass populace as a means to prevent the recurrence of WWI.

    One could argue that WWI provided the impetus for the political upheavals in Tsarist Russia, Weimar Germany and Mussolini’s Italy, exacerbated by the Great Depression in the 1930s which prompted half-baked ‘solutions’ such as the ill-fated League of Nations.

    My view is that the rise and growth of Western colonialism/imperialism which had expanded to all corners of the world by the late 19th century eventually pitted Western Powers against each other in their homelands in Europe. That’s the classic case of the Thucydides Trap which those Western Powers were able to avoid by expanding OUTSIDE of Europe for centuries before ending up contesting the last place in the world left in peace by the Treaty of Westphalia. Wilhemian Germany, facing both the British and French in Western Europe, had to expand outward by building its Navy to rival that of the British Navy. The long-lasting peace brought about by the Treaty of Westphalia was finally broken by the alliance system between rival powers in Europe which was the proximate cause of WWI.

    The main difference between the protagonists in WWI and WWII was their ideological constructs which changed from Imperial feudalist autocracies prior to WWI to ‘modern’ Capitalist technocracies after WWI. The advent of industrial technologies and the rise of modern corporations necessitated a scientifically-trained class of technocrats to manage their modern industrial economies, albeit geared towards weapons and warfare. The mutual antagonisms of those ‘1930s’ ideological constructs ipso facto guaranteed the inevitability of WWII.

    So what’s the relevance of this discussion to the original question that I posed in my last post? Not much as the geopolitics of Europe is very different today than it was back then. Moreover, there is no ideological or historical equivalence behind the actions and behavior of the current global hegemon — the USA Empire — to the geopolitical conflicts in Europe in the first half of the 20th century. Neither the ‘End of History’ alibi put forth by Francis Fukuyama nor the ‘Clash of Civilizations’ thesis theorized by Samuel Huntington adequately explain all the bizarre geopolitical events instigated by the USA and its NATO/Western allies in the aftermath of 9/11 such as the perpetual ‘War on Terror’ which has undermined the national security of European nations which are now suffering from the human consequences of Muslim refugees flooding into Europe.

    Trump was aghast at the \$1.6T the USA has wasted in the ‘War on Terror’ in Afghanistan which has lasted 20 years bombing a bunch of goat-herders as a ‘national security’ threat to the USA Empire. Without the endless ‘War on Terror’, the USA could have saved a lot of money which would have been better spent on domestic needs rather than foreign follies such as Afghanistan. Or maybe it was the Opium Trade that the USA actually wanted from Afghanistan, just like the British East India Company back in the good ole’ days of the British Empire. That makes the USA Empire more like the British Empire 2.0 rather than the Pax Americana of the Roman Empire.

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  347. @Anonymous

    Nothing I said was meant to suggest or point to the issue of hatred, racism or anything related to these negatives. My intention was to expose unregulated capitalism in lock step with corporate usurpation of underdeveloped states, who try in vain to preserve an elected independent government and true sovereignty, the history of which is well documented by John Perkins in his discussions about America’s economic hit man.For example, the recent Venezuela election however there are many more examples of nefarious interventions by Washington. I also reference here author William Blum in his book titled Killing Hope for a very detailed expose’.

    I suppose the deep undercurrents running throughout my commentaries have more to do with organized criminal enterprises such as AQ Khan and pirate shipping activities. They will continue to pose a very serious threat to the accepted balance of power(s). Soon, similar illegal networks with find the intellectual and financial wherewith all to bootleg high technology items for instance, Silkworm surface to surface missile capability and will sink naval vessels at one thousandth the price in terms of blood and treasure not to mention contriving false flag incidents as a raison d’ ertre for instigating regional war, or worse. Perhaps these “clone” devises are already on the shelf and will be put into use once the world enters a tumultuous period during the impending geopolitical reset. I believe that transnational corporations sense the global disintegration within the sphere of traditional policing and are in part responsible for the rise of private military organizations like Blackwater. We all witnessed this property protection and privatization during the Katrina disaster.

    As I suggested earlier, transnational CEO’s will be buying up those nine hundred foreign U.S. military bases once the everything bubble drives financial markets into convulsions, those bases will probably be auctioned off for pennies on the “dollar”.

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  348. Kapyong says:

    I learned to pronounce Thucydides like “Thoo SID uh dees” (in Oz, presumably the UK way.)

    Apparently sometimes pronounced like “THOOS uh dieds” (USA, seriously?)

    In Greece is it something like “Th’k uh DIE dees” or “Thu KY duh dees” ?
    (Couldn’t find a Greek speaker online in my quick search.)

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  349. Anonymous[610] • Disclaimer says:
    @antibeast

    Those are very good points and a coherent argument.

    I’d agree that the US Empire is much like that of the British Empire, perhaps in 1930 or so. We would disagree on whether such Empires are good or bad. Essentially, I think this boils down to a question of how much each Empire charges to provide military and political uniformity and stability. Since such Empires are associated with population growth, and their fall is associated with population decline (or at least severe reduction in standard of living), that the fees (which are large) are less than the annualized losses incurred when the Empire fails.

    The 1930s ideology (there was really only one ideology, with a few minor variations) assumed two false premises:
    i) Rational control of an economy in detail by government was possible and productive.
    ii) Human beings could and would adopt an industrial economy if the alternative was death through war, poverty, and internal security actions.

    What you’re saying is that Soviet Communism, American Keynesianism, German Nazism, and Italian Fascism were the ideological byproducts of the same ‘1930s’ ideology based on government intervention in the industrial economy which was designed to uplift the material standards of living of the mass populace as a means to prevent the recurrence of WWI.

    I’ll agree with almost all of what your post says. I’m not entirely sure that WW I was really caused by disputes over colonies. Instead, I think those were pretexts for springing the Thucydides trap, and that the existing European powers were simply trying to retain the status quo in the face of effective German competition. That belief of mine is a very minor difference of opinion, not worth discussing. The area of agreement is that the European mindset and organization brought about WW I, which destroyed that European mindset and organization. This required the institution of a different European mindset and organization, which I called “1930s ideology”.

    I’m trying to assert something a bit deeper about (indices refer to the above blockquote — note that I’ve reversed them:
    ii) The project of spreading 1930s ideology to the world is physically impossible.*
    i) Realization of the 1930s ideology is itself physically impossible. **

    I attempted to answer your question concerning the cause of “the bizarre geopolitical events instigated by the USA and its NATO/Western allies in the aftermath of 9/11” as follows:

    Every ideology contains some concept of “good” and “bad”, and justifies itself by saying that its “good” be spread over some group of human beings (even if that group is simply a tribe, and the ideology is the body of its traditions). 1930s ideology was a descendent of the Enlightenment, which thought of itself as universal, and which promised peace and high standards of living to those who understood Enlightenment ideology. Science and reason, together with industriousness and peace, would make a better world.
    All four of the 1930s ideology governments thought that using military force to set up a 1930s ideology government was perfectly justified. Only two of these governments (US, USSR) survived long enough to face the long term problems of imposing industrialization on a population that rejected industrial society. As of 2021, both of these societies (US, USSR) have failed. As you pointed out, “the bizarre geopolitical events instigated by the USA and its NATO/Western allies in the aftermath of 9/11” have greatly sped up US decline (a decline which was fairly obvious back in 1970). For the US, the historical marker is the 2020 Federal elections, which elections have been rejected by a large part of the US population, or perhaps it is the fortification of the Capitol. The above statements about 1930s ideology says that the “bizarre geopolitical events” were undertaken primarily because they were thought of as a duty, with a secondary objective of eliminating potential rivals and making the international trade system more productive.

    The failure of the “bizarre geopolitical events” lead to my third assertion:
    iii) The fourth country based on 1930s ideology, the US, is about to fail, as have the other three countries that tried 1930s ideology. The US has and will continue to follow the sequence of events that marked the fall of the USSR.

    We are now at a point analogous to that of the USSR after Gorbachev was ousted by the “hard line Communists”, but before it was conclusively established that the “hard line Communists” could not govern.

    Obviously this conclusion has some real-world implications, so I’m publishing it here to see what criticisms arise.

    I should also point out that many of the questions raised here, “What will happen to groups X?” “How can the political obligations to Group Y be satisfied”, and so on, appear in Spufford’s book, and that in real life were answered by the end of political guarantees caused by disintegration of central authority. All political obligations were not so much disavowed as forgotten. Further, I would say that such a “political Jubilee” was necessary to shut down Russia’s nonproductive State Enterprises. “Creative destruction”, don’t you know.

    You could say that I’m looking at current affairs more from an engineering / systems analysis perspective than from a political / economic perspective.

    * The project of spreading 1930s ideology to the world is physically impossible because industry itself has been vehemently, strongly, and forcefully rejected by the countries / groups that are not industrialized. It has proven militarily impossible to even occupy such countries, and attempts at introducing industrial society have produced no results after several decades. For an articulation of rejection of the thought needed for industrial economies, look to: https://equitablemath.org/ . Industry and much else would be impossible if all were taught the equitable math curriculum, but simple local economies would not.

    ** There are several unsolved problems with government control of industry:
    a) Data gathering and organization.
    b) Computing an optimal solution from the data.
    c) Agreeing on what the optimal solution would be.
    d) Retention of office / power by governments that implement optimal strategies which are not supported by the public.
    e) Preventing the diversion of capital funds for people and equipment to political ends that require immediate consumption.
    You might try Spufford’s Red Plenty to see an accessible account of how N. Khrushchev’s post-war reforms made out in the real world. Each problem, (a) to (e), is illustrated at length, and the book contains a very well written and gripping story.

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  350. @Kapyong

    It’s funny how the Anglos pronounce Latin, totally wrongly, as it should be pronounced how the Italians pronounce it. For Greek names the Greek pronunciation should be the correct one.

  351. antibeast says:
    @Anonymous

    I’d agree that the US Empire is much like that of the British Empire, perhaps in 1930 or so. We would disagree on whether such Empires are good or bad. Essentially, I think this boils down to a question of how much each Empire charges to provide military and political uniformity and stability. Since such Empires are associated with population growth, and their fall is associated with population decline (or at least severe reduction in standard of living), that the fees (which are large) are less than the annualized losses incurred when the Empire fails.

    The reason why I think the USA Empire behaves like the British Empire is because both are ‘mercantilist’ Empires which benefits the financial capitalists in Wall Street and the City-of-London, respectively. The ruling classes of both Empires also share the common WASP culture of the English Enlightenment which believes in Reason and Science as the basis for Trade and Industry. Just as the British created the Commonwealth of British ‘Crown’ Colonies linked by ‘Free Trade’ in Pound Sterling and protected by the Royal Navy, so did the Yanks build up the ‘First World’ grouping of Western European and East Asian industrial nations, linked by ‘Free Trade’ in USD and protected by the US Navy. Both Empires believe in projecting power via their navies in accordance with Mahan’s Sea Power doctrine.

    I’ll agree with almost all of what your post says. I’m not entirely sure that WW I was really caused by disputes over colonies. Instead, I think those were pretexts for springing the Thucydides trap, and that the existing European powers were simply trying to retain the status quo in the face of effective German competition. That belief of mine is a very minor difference of opinion, not worth discussing. The area of agreement is that the European mindset and organization brought about WW I, which destroyed that European mindset and organization. This required the institution of a different European mindset and organization, which I called “1930s ideology”.

    Well, I think WWI was a conflict between competing Empires — British, French, Russian, German, Austria-Hungary and Ottoman — which were run by Feudalist Autocracies (except for Republican France) over who should dominate and rule Europe which created the Thucydides Trap, thus destroying the Peace of Westphalia. I agree with you that the destruction of the Old Order required the creation of the New Order which spawned the ‘1930s ideologies’ as you’ve described. I’d call them ’20th century Modernist’ ideologies which attempted to replace pre-modern Feudalism of the Old Order.

    You might try Spufford’s Red Plenty to see an accessible account of how N. Khrushchev’s post-war reforms made out in the real world.

    Since you’ve mentioned Spufford’s Red Plenty about Soviet life, I’d recommend the late Russian dissident Alexander Zinoviev’s works. According to Zinoviev, the Fall of the Soviet Union ended Democracy in the West, which could explain the ‘bizarre geopolitical events’ that has transpired after the Triumph of the West over the Soviet Union. Here’s an excerpt of his interview before moving back to Russia in 1999:

    http://zinoviev.info/wps/archives/1309

    Q. After the collapse of communism the Western system has become the main focus of your research. Why?

    A. Because what happened was what I had predicted: the fall of communism turned into the breakup of Russia.

    Q. So the fight with communism was a conspiracy to destroy Russia?

    A. Precisely. I say this because once I was an unwitting accomplice of this action that I found shameful. The West wanted and programmed the Russian catastrophe. I read documents and participated in the research, which under the guise of ideological struggle worked towards the destruction of Russia. This became so unbearable for me that I could no longer stay in the camp of those who destroy my people and my country. The West is not a stranger to me, but I consider it an enemy empire.

    Q: Have you become a patriot?

    A: Patriotism does not concern me. I received an international upbringing and I remain loyal to it. I cannot even say whether I love Russians and Russia or not. I am part of them. Today’s suffering of my people is so horrible that I cannot stand watching them from afar. The barbarity of globalization manifests itself in many diverse, unacceptable ways.

    Q: Nevertheless, many former Soviet dissidents speak about their former homeland as a country of human rights and democracy. Now that this point of view has become commonly accepted in the West, you are trying to refute it. Isn’t there a contradiction here?

    A: During the Cold War, democracy was a weapon in the fight against communist totalitarianism. Today we understand that the Cold War era was the history of the West’s apogee. During that time the West had it all: unprecedented growth of wealth, true freedom, incredible social progress, colossal scientific and technological achievements. But at the same time the West was imperceptibly changing. The timid integration of developed countries launched at that time has developed into the internationalization of the economy and the globalization of power that we are witnessing now. Integration may help the growth of common good and have a positive impact if it is driven by the legitimate aspiration of fraternal people to unite, for example. But the integration in question was conceived from the beginning as a vertical structure strictly controlled by a supranational power. Without a successful Russian counter-revolution against the Soviet Union, the West could not have started the process of globalization.

    Q: So, the role of Gorbachev was not positive?

    A: I look at things from a slightly different angle. Contrary to common belief, Soviet communism did not collapse because of internal reasons. Its collapse is certainly the greatest victory in the history of the West. An unheard of victory which, let me say it again, can establish a unitary power monopoly on a planetary scale. The end of communism also signalized the end of democracy. The modern epoch is not only post-communist, it is also post-democratic! Today we are witnessing the establishment of democratic totalitarianism, or, if you will, totalitarian democracy.

    Q: Does not it all sound a little absurd?

    A: Not at all. Democracy requires pluralism and pluralism implies an existence of at least two more or less equal forces which oppose each other and at the same time influence each other. During the Cold War there was world democracy, global pluralism, with two opposing systems: capitalist and communist, plus other countries with an amorphous system which belonged to neither. Soviet totalitarianism was sensitive to Western criticism. In turn, the Soviet Union influenced the West, in particular through the latter’s own communist parties. Today we live in a world dominated by one single force, one ideology and one pro-globalization party. All of this together began to take shape during the Cold War, when superstructures gradually appeared in various forms: commercial, banking, political and media organizations. Despite their different fields of activity, what they had in common was essentially their transnational scope. With the collapse of communism they began to rule the world. Thus, Western countries ended up in the dominant position, but at the same time they are now in a subordinate position as they gradually lose their sovereignty to what I call the supra-society. The planet-wide supra-society consists of commercial and non-commercial organizations whose influence extends far beyond individual states. Like other countries, the Western countries are subordinated to these supranational structures. This is despite the fact that the sovereignty of states was also an integral part of pluralism and hence of democracy on a global scale. Today’s ruling supra-power suppresses sovereign states. The European integration unfolding in front of our very eyes is also leading to the disappearance of pluralism within this new conglomerate in favor of supranational power.

    Q: But do not you think that France and Germany remain democracies?

    A: Western countries got to know true democracy during the Cold War. Political parties had genuine ideological differences and different political programs. The media also differed from each other. All this had an impact on the lives of ordinary people contributing to the growth of their wealth. Now this has come to an end. A democratic and prosperous capitalism with socially oriented laws and job security was in many ways thanks to a fear of communism. After the fall of communism in Eastern Europe, a massive attack on the social rights of citizens was launched in the West. Today the socialists who are in power in most European countries are pursuing policies of dismantling the social security system, destroying everything that was socialist in the capitalist countries. There is no longer a political force in the West capable of protecting ordinary citizens. The existence of political parties is a mere formality. They will differ less and less as time goes on. The war in the Balkans was anything but democratic. Nevertheless, the war was perpetrated by the socialists who historically have been against these kinds of ventures. Environmentalists, who are in power in some countries, welcomed the environmental catastrophe caused by the NATO bombings. They even dared to claim that bombs containing depleted uranium are not dangerous for the environment, even though soldiers loading them wear special protective overalls. Thus, democracy is gradually disappearing from the social structure of the West. Totalitarianism is spreading everywhere because the supranational structure imposes its laws on individual states. This undemocratic superstructure gives orders, imposes sanctions, organizes embargos, drops bombs, causes hunger. Even Clinton obeys it. Financial totalitarianism has subjugated political power. Emotions and compassion are alien to cold financial totalitarianism. Compared with financial dictatorship, political dictatorship is humane. Resistance was possible inside the most brutal dictatorships. Rebellion against banks is impossible.

    Q: What about a revolution?

    A: Democratic totalitarianism and financial dictatorship rule out the possibility of social revolution.

    Q: Why?

    A: Because they combine omnipotent military power with a financial stranglehold. All revolutions received support from outside. From now on this is impossible because there are no sovereign states, nor will there be. Moreover, at the lowest level the working class has been replaced with the unemployed class. What do the unemployed want? Jobs. Therefore, they are in a less advantageous position than the working class of the past.

    There you have it. I think what happened was that the Capitalist Overlords of the USA Empire invented neoliberal globalization backed by neoconservative imperialism after the Fall of the Soviet Union. With no opposition at home and no rival abroad, the US Deep State then started a series of Imperialist Wars not to spread the fruits of globalization but to expand the power of the Empire. The US Deep State then planned and orchestrated the ‘9/11’ attacks to provide the casus belli for waging the ‘War on Terror’ on so-called ‘Islamic Terrorists’ such as Al-Qaeda and ISIS which were financed by Saudi Wahhabists but supported and trained by the US Deep State. The ‘endless wars’ of the USA Empire don’t offer much in terms of economic gains because the countries invaded, destroyed and/or destabilized are still trapped in either medieval tribalism and/or primitive ethno-nationalism. In other words, the goal of those ‘endless wars’ is not so much about financial returns but about demonstrating ‘omnipresent’ military power by incessant use of force and violence.

    Zinoviev calls this post-Cold War ideology ‘Totalitarian Democracy’ but I’d rather call it ‘Capitalist Imperialism’ of the USA Empire in contrast to the ‘Feudalist Imperialism’ of the British Empire.

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  352. @anonomojoe

    200 years together is unavailable in English because a certain tribe controls the Anglosphere’s publishing houses. It is available in French. When it came out, it was exorbitantly priced. Almost 100Euros. Slowly, used editions became available from Europe. I got my copy from a German amazon equivalent. It is interesting that this book is not available in Spanish either. Although in Latin America , many of the upper middle classes still insist on learning French.

    In any event, the information about the tribe’s role was not altogether unknown by me, as I had read many White Russian accounts published in French during the 1920’s and 1930s. Solzhenitsyn filled in the details. Coupled with Jacob Schiff’s well known role in financing Parvus and Trotsky and you got the whole enchilada!

  353. Anonymous[368] • Disclaimer says:
    @antibeast

    First, apologies about vanishing for a while. A series of short deadline projects showed up, and I’ve been meeting the deadlines.

    According to Zinoviev, the Fall of the Soviet Union ended Democracy in the West,

    We’re in substantial agreement here. Only difference is that I’d have said that Democracy ended earlier, and the Fall of the Soviet Union ended the pretense of Democracy in the West. See Plunkett, Plunkett of Tammany Hall for what the US had starting about with Wilson.

    Note, also, that the start of the open revolution of the 1960s was coupled to the Vietnam War, which established the end of the World War era mass armies and the present reliance on small numbers of professional soldiers. It was no longer necessary for government to treat the population well enough that it would send its young men to fight for the system that treated them well. It was, in fact, no longer necessary for government to consider the population at all. In the United States, the entire period after Stalin’s death effectively ended the active Cold War can be considered as the Federal Government and its proxies asset stripping an increasingly poorer civil economy. Granted that the usual “regulatory capture” happened, the essential process relied on a theory of government domination of civil economy.
    That, incidentally, is what I consider the basis of what I’ve been calling “1930s politics”. It’s their downfall – the government is a political entity, and uses industrial income as immediate consumption to maintain political coalitions (e.g. 1964 CRA, US military actions to shore up its existing coalition). Industry is progressively undercapitalized (or destroyed if the government loses a war), and the country fails.

    Zinoviev calls this post-Cold War ideology ‘Totalitarian Democracy’ but I’d rather call it ‘Capitalist Imperialism’ of the USA Empire in contrast to the ‘Feudalist Imperialism’ of the British Empire.

    I’d say “fascist imperialism” or “corporatist imperialism”, but that’s not a substantive disagreement.

    With no opposition at home and no rival abroad, the US Deep State then started a series of Imperialist Wars not to spread the fruits of globalization but to expand the power of the Empire.

    I think the wars showed weakness rather than strength. Remember, the US industrial base never did really recover from the 1930s Depression and the conversion to military industry during WW II. After the war, American corporations could export almost without competition, and the US Federal Government discouraged plant modernization because it upset labor unions. The US Federal Government found itself in the same situation as the USSR’s government — political pressures forced industrial plant deterioration. One of these political pressures was the need (still quite visible today) by urban governments (non-Anglo Saxon) to destroy the Anglo-Saxon establishment.

    So, I’d say that the American foreign wars were a desperation ploy, “use it or lose it” in the then current jargon. Today they are not even a desperation ploy, they’re end of the cycle face saving.

    These differences of opinion would count for very little overall. The present US is visibly failing. Trump’s policies would have at least led to an orderly closing down, but Biden/Harris’ policies cause debacles. It would surprise me very little if historians of 2200 regard either Trump or Biden/Harris as the last US President, and either the election of 2020 or the fortification of the US Capitol building in 2021 as the end of the United States. Place your short-term bets accordingly.

    Historically, I’d put my money on Texas as the nucleus of a successor state. Successor states tend to appear at ethnic borders, perhaps because the challengers of living on an ethnic border tend to build resilient and adaptive social structures. The transition from the present Texas to the nucleus of a successor state would take decades, and the full unfolding would take tens of decades.
    Finally, the time that Zinoviev regards as the apogee of Western Democracy was also the time when politically mandated organizations replaced the Middle Class (shop owners, independent professionals). I remember it as a terrible time, with massive downward social mobility and a high mortality rate among the formerly middle class, although everybody tried to be optimistic. Think of the “Always look on the brighter side of life” scene from Monty Python’s “Life of Brian” (search You-Tube to see it). Zinoviev’s apogee of Western Democracy was the apogee of the US Government, but hardly the apogee of democracy.

    See Yurchak’s idea of “the imaginary West” in Everything Was Forever, Until It Was No More: The Last Soviet Generation .* I might add that the population of the US at the time also believed an “the imaginary West”, as it turned out. That’s why the US population did not resist the “change America” programs that have made everybody’s life so much worse.

    *Yurchak’s academic jargon is hard to plow through, but his book is still well worth reading.

  354. Anonymous[368] • Disclaimer says:
    @elmerfudzie

    Nothing I said was meant to suggest or point to the issue of hatred, racism or anything related to these negatives.

    Agreed, and I didn’t mean to imply that it did. By the same token, I’m leaving that sot of thing out. What I meant to say was that there is no such thing as an all powerful hidden group that is responsible for all evil, or for that matter all good. There are, in Roman terms, amicus, inamicus, and hostis: allies, not allies (hence pursue interests that conflict with those of the speaker), and declared enemies

    So here’s a recent example: WW II. In the leadup to WW II there were fairly clear “bad guys” who foresaw a war coming and tried to win it under a grand strategy that used deception, secrecy, and bold moves: Stalin, FDR, and to an extent Hitler. In each case, the player lost. Stalin’s Soviet army of conquest was destroyed by Hitler’s spoiling attack. Hitler’s conquest of Western Europe was also destroyed by Hitler’s spoiling attack, which ended up as an attrition war on two fronts. FDR’s attempt at an American
    Empire came closest to success, but appears to be ending in a sort of heat death from decapitalization of American industry and rigid orthodoxy (legally justified on the 1964 CRA) in its institutions, and the descendants of those who elected FDR are not having children at replacement levels. None of these outcomes are what the grand strategists intended.

    Point? People, even single people heading an organization, can do surprisingly important things but don’t know even the medium term result of their actions.

    That’s the problem with saying that group X is omniscient and omnipotent. Those two terms belong in theology, not political analysis. Consider the current behavior of the financial system. It has injected massive amounts of currency into the financial markets, money that cannot be invested into productive assets due to political restrictions. It has done this (in cooperation with government / politics) to keep market values high. Yet this money threatens the very existence of banks, as it did in 2008. Do the banks have a secret plan that will succeed? Most likely not — most likely we’re seeing a desperation move. A successful conspiracy among banks on this scale is simply beyond their ability.

    In physical terms, control of networked systems that fail probabilistically (instead of at some closely predictable time) is possible only if one has very good information about the state of system elements and some kind of efficient dispatching rule for workflow (that’s a way of re-assigning workload when system elements become temporarily unable to work). Human affairs on the grand strategy level simply do not have either good information or an efficient dispatching algorithm. Leaders do what doesn’t get them deposed plus a few bright ideas whose implications they don’t and can’t understand.

    About the only thing that a leader can hope for is some correct identification of amicus, inamicus, hostis (which Western leaders are incapable of doing) and a modicum of good luck. Failing that, one gets the current Western situation: continued impoverishment and loss of influence. This has been the Western situation for quite some time: for a classic article on that, search Google books Martin van Creveld , “ The Fate of the State , ” Parameters 1 ( Spring 1996 )” for an account of just how early.

    And that’s all I meant. While it is possible to say quite a bit about race and that sort of thing, you didn’t say it and I’m sure you didn’t mean it.

  355. @L.K

    Whereas you are just both dishonest and a vapid Nazi.

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