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Andrei Belousov, deputy director of the Russian Foreign Ministry’s Department of Nonproliferation and Arms Control, has recently made an important statement which I shall quote in full and then provide a translation.

Original Russian text: “Тут недавно на заседании Соединенные Штаты заявили, что Россия готовится к войне. Да, Россия готовится к войне, я это подтверждаю. Да, мы готовимся защищать нашу родину, нашу территориальную целостность, наши принципы, наших людей. Мы готовимся к такой войне. Но у нас есть серьезные отличия от Соединенных Штатов Америки. И в лингвистическом плане это отличие заключается всего в одном слове, что в русском языке, что в английском языке: Российская Федерация готовится к войне, а Соединенные Штаты Америки готовят войну”

Translation: “Recently at a meeting the United States stated that Russia is preparing for war. Yes, Russia is preparing for war, I can confirm it. Yes, we are preparing to defend our homeland, our territorial integrity, our principles, our values, our people. We are preparing for such a war. But there is a major difference between us and the United States. Linguistically, this difference is just in one word, in both Russian and English: Russia is preparing for war while the United States is preparing a war” (emphasis added).

We are so used to western diplomats and politicians saying more or less anything and everything (as the joke goes: when do you know that a politician is lying? When his lips move) that many of us stopped paying attention to what is being said. If tomorrow Trump or some “Congressperson” goes on national TV and declares “read my lips – up is down, dry is wet and yes means no” – most of us will just ignore it. The truth is that being exposed to that constant stream of empty, bombastic and always dishonest statements makes most of us immune to verbal warnings, even when they come from non-western political figures.

It is, therefore, crucial to fully realize that Russian official and diplomats carefully measure every word they say and that when they repeat over and over again that Russia is ready for war, they actually and truly mean it!

Of course, there have been those in the West who fully saw this danger and have been warning about it for years, I especially think of Prof. Stephen Cohen and Paul Craig Roberts here. And I have been warning about this for four years now, beginning with the article “Obama just made things much, much worse in the Ukraine – now Russia is ready for war” posted on March 1st, 2014, followed by many more articles with the same warning since (see “The Russian response to a double declaration of war” on September 27th, 2014; “Did Russia just “gently” threaten the USA?” on November 12th, 2015; “Debunking popular clichés about modern warfare” on May 19th, 2016; “How Russia is preparing for WWIII” on May 26, 2016; “A Russian warning” on June 1st 2016; “Assessing the Russian Military as an Instrument of Power” on August 25th, 2016; “Progress report on the US-Russian war” on December 1st, 2017; “What price will mankind have to pay for the collapse of the Empire?” on April 13th, 2018; “Each “click” brings us one step closer to the “bang!” on April 20th, 2018). But for all our efforts, we have been “voices crying in the wilderness” which is hardly surprising since even Putin’s blunt warning during his March 1st speech to the Russian Federal Assembly was quickly dismissed as “posturing” and quickly forgotten. This is why two weeks following that historical speech I compared Russia to a peaceful rattlesnake (yes, they are peaceful creatures!) desperately trying to warn a drunk idiot to back-off but to no avail: the drunk idiot just boastfully declares “hold my beer and watch this” and tries to grab the snake. I concluded by saying that:

May, Trump, Macron and Merkel, of course, but also their sycophantic presstitutes and the herds of zombified followers all believe in their invulnerability and superiority. The terrifying truth is that these folks have NO IDEA whom they are dealing with nor do they understand the consequences of pushing Russia too hard. Oh, in theory they do (yeah, yeah, Napoleon, Hitler, we know!). But in their guts, they feel safe, superior and just can’t conceive that they can die, and their entire society can just disappear.

Sadly, since then things have only gotten worse. This is why a clearly disgusted and frustrated Putin recently declared that

“Any aggressor should know that retribution will be inevitable and he will be destroyed. And since we will be the victims of his aggression, we will be going to heaven as martyrs. They will simply croak and won’t even have time to repent,”

Needless to say, the western ziomedia interpreted this warning as a sign of “Russian aggression,” not as a desperate attempt to wake up a delusional and infinitely arrogant Empire.

By the way – something very similar has been happening between the US and China with an increasing number of Chinese officials publicly declaring that the Chinese armed forces need to prepare for war (here is just the latest such warning).

Sadly, the Chinese warnings are as ignored and as dismissed as the Russian ones. And that is truly frightening.

At least during the Cuban Missile Crisis, the entire world press was reporting about the confrontation minute by minute, and everybody knew that the danger of war was very real. In contrast today, hardly anybody gives the possibility of war much thought. In fact, the leaders of the AngloZionist Empire seem to be dead set on multiplying their provocations against Russia ranging from holding major military exercises right at the Russian border to giving the most prestigious EU human right prize to a convicted terrorist (the Poles, always so helpful, even suggested that Sentsov ought to be given the Nobel!). The EU also failed to notice the Ukronazi acts of piracy in the Sea of Azov but instead, condemned Russia for strictly enforcing her legal right to retaliate for the Ukronazi actions.

Such a level of hypocrisy is disgusting, of course. But it is also very, very dangerous.

Frankly, considering the fantastic and genuinely heroic efforts of Putin and Xi to avoid a major (nuclear) war with the Empire, I would suggest that they, not convicted terrorists, be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize (but I am not holding my breath here…)!

ORDER IT NOW

In sharp contrast to the western corporate media, the Russian media has been discussing the possibility of war with the US/NATO on a daily basis, and the discussion always revolves around the question “are they really crazy enough to actually attack us even though that would mean their certain destruction?!“. In fairness to the Russians, seeing folks like Nikki Haley or John Bolton, the question of “are they crazy?” is a logical one. But I think that it is also possibly misleading. Here is why:

While clearly some Neocons are truly batshit crazy, most are not. Stupid, ignorant, arrogant, hateful and evil – yes. But not necessarily insane. And for that reason, I don’t think that the AngloZionist leaders will stumble into a war against Russia as a result of their insanity. Besides, while US politicians are, indeed, amazingly stupid and ignorant, there are enough men in the US armed forces who remember the warning of Field Marshal and Viscount of Alamein Bernard Montgomery who famously declared to the House of Lords: “Rule 1, on page 1 of the book of war, is: “Do not march on Moscow”. Various people have tried it, Napoleon and Hitler, and it is no good. That is the first rule. I do not know whether your Lordships will know Rule 2 of war. It is: “Do not go fighting with your land armies in China.” It is a vast country, with no clearly defined objectives“. Most senior US military commanders must realize that war against Russia and/or China is a suicidal proposition.

But while the insanity of western leaders is unlikely to cause a war, I am afraid that their despair might.

Think of it: right now the US is engaged in two parallel processes: on the one hand the US is involved in sanctions and economic wars against most of the planet while on the other hand, the US is withdrawing from one major international treaty after another (including arms control treaties). Ask yourself a simple question: is this the behavior of a country which is weak or strong? What does this “full-spectrum” policy of confrontation and self-isolation (because that is what withdrawing from so many agreements and treaties does: isolate the US) mean? Does it signal the actions of a confident and strong power or one which is desperate and lashes out on all levels?

As this short post by Larchmonter445 reminds us, the current batch of US leaders are first and foremost losers and while they are still doing a pretty good job of window-dressing and flag-waving, it is becoming increasingly impossible to hide the magnitude of the multi-level slow-motion collapse of the AngloZionist Empire. I suppose that the band playing on the deck of the Titanic also played louder and louder, but the outcome of the show was never in doubt. The same is happening here and therein lies an enormous danger: the harder it becomes to conceal the magnitude of the unfolding disaster, the more the Empire lashes out, making the situation even worse which then makes it even harder to conceal the magnitude of the disaster. The Empire in general, and the US specifically, is literally cracking on all levels and there is absolutely no reasonable and halfway viable way to reverse this trend because the one and only solution for the US to survive is to give up the Empire and become a “normal” country – something US leaders are not even willing to contemplate. The Neocons, especially, seem to have a quasi-religious belief (or maybe it is just an uncontrolled knee-jerk reaction) that when one of their putative “clever” plans fail, the correct solution is to double-down. They seem to have fully internalized the German aphorism “wenn es mit Gewalt nicht geht, dann geht es mit mehr Gewalt!” (if violence can’t fix it, then even more violence will), forgetting that this belief did Germany no good against Russia. As for the general western public, it has been successfully turned into what I call “ideological drones“: brainwashed automatons who will wave their (Chinese made) flags to cope with any residual cognitive dissonance. When their certitudes finally come crashing down, they will also lash out at everything and everybody in abject despair and impotent rage.

Right now the US and the “global West” (aka the AngloZionist Empire) are on a direct collision course with Russia (and probably China too). Right now, I see very few signs that anybody in the western elites is able (or willing) to admit that at the end of that road there is war and the destruction of the US (and possibly much of Europe). Right now, the leaders of the Empire appear to be firmly locked into what the French call the “fuite en avant” (which can roughly be translated as “flight forward”, or “headlong rush”, “panic-induced compulsion to further exacerbate a crisis or calamity” or even “unconscious mechanism that causes a person to throw himself/herself into a dreaded danger”). I suppose that there is a sad and tragic irony in the fact that the result of the US elites constantly conjuring up some completely imaginary Russian “interventions” (in the US and elsewhere) might eventually result in a very real Russia intervention, in the form of devastating missile strikes, but this is hardly a consolation.

How likely is that to change in the foreseeable future?

Not very likely, I am afraid.

Will Putin and Xi be able to avert the looming war with the West?

Maybe. But with each passing day bringing only further escalations and provocations from the “global West” their task is becoming harder and harder.

So far all the Russian and Chinese warnings have fallen on deaf ears and, frankly, I don’t believe that more warnings will do any good.

This might be the time for Russia and China to begin pushing back seriously. Everything else has failed, at least so far.

 
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  1. yurivku says:

    The terrifying truth is that these folks have NO IDEA whom they are dealing with

    what to say – yes, they haven’t.

    there are some english subtitles …

    and so

    Preparations of the f*ken West were long. We are ready …

    • Replies: @yurivku
    , @Avery
  2. Realist says:

    A Senior Russian Diplomat Confirms: “Russia Is Preparing for War” – Is Anybody Listening?

    Russia talks tough, but never confronts the hegemonic US. Russia has rolled over in Syria.

  3. “Any aggressor should know that retribution will be inevitable and he will be destroyed. And since we will be the victims of his aggression, we will be going to heaven as martyrs. They will simply croak and won’t even have time to repent, “

    Life appears to be rapidly concocting substitutes for the crazed actions of humanity. If we postpone the inevitable just a little longer it may come to pass.

    https://robertmagill.wordpress.com/2018/10/29/the-purpose-of-life-is-life-amen/

  4. Russia & China should be …”pushing back seriously” ?
    Yes.
    Possibly a first step, to formalise what is essentially a matter of fact: declare a full defensive/military alliance.
    Yes, the absence of such an alliance now allows for greater flexibility by both countries. However the West must understand that the fates of China & Russia are inextricably linked. The violent destruction of one would likely presage the fall of the other.
    Such an alliance would be a very serious statement of intent — perhaps even (PCR’s) insouciant US might take it seriously….

  5. awry says:

    So much projection here. While I am symphatizing with Russia (I am not some Russophobe), it is the Russian leadership and Putin which is increasingly desperate. They are the ones being isolated and cornered, not the US. Their rhetoric is eerily similar to Soviet propaganda, especially the one during the ’80s, the Reagan presidency, when the US stepped up its anti-Soviet rhetoric and increased military spending and sanctions against the Soviet bloc. Putin is like Andropov was, the old KGB chief who was genuinely terrified that Reagan and Thatcher are concocting a plot to destroy him and his empire with a surprise nuclear first strike. Those were the years when Able Archer ’83 a NATO exercise was interpreted by Moscow as a preparation for war, when the KGB had an operation (RYAN) to watch the movement of Western leaders to predict when they are about to start war on the USSR. There are some other similarities with those times. Russia is looking a decaying power again just like then or during Yeltsin cf. the increasing number of embarrassing failures like the sinking of the floating dock in Severomorsk, the glitch in the last Soyuz launch etc. etc.
    It was Russia who overplayed its hand (as did the Soviets with invading Afghanistan and challenging the US in Central America). It is Russia who is still longing for the glory of the Czarist and USSR times and still sees itself in the mirror as a great power. With the GDP roughly equal to that of Italy etc. Maybe it is Russia who should learn to become a normal country instead of an empire? It will be hard, even impossible considering that it has been an empire for at least three centuries…

  6. Sean says:

    Russia’s problem is it wants to maintain itself as a power of the super rank and that is something it lacks the capacity to do, confronting America would simply bring Russia’s relegation to economic joke and obviously senscient superpower closer.

    In the medium term America cannot help but impoverish Russia by economic-technical fracking advances lowering the cost of energy. The only one to benefit from a near term war between Russia and America would be China, who Russia would have to turn to. It is the end of the story for Russia and all they can decide is whether to go out shooting or just fade away.

  7. AWM says:

    “Russia Prepares For War”

    Exactly when were they not? They got out of WWI to prepare for the next war, which didn’t exactly go Stalin’s way, and have been “preparing” ever since.
    There has never been a proper accounting of Communism’s crimes or a prosecution of Communism’s enablers, instead we simply have the same old criminal regime in power.
    “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”
    It’s a game we in the West are very familiar with. We have the exact same problem.
    However, at least here in North America, we have a solution. You see, here, the government still fears the people. That’s why all the “divide and conquer” stuff.

  8. hunor says:
    @awry

    You are out of your wicked, arrogant slave holder mentality mind.
    The US is the one who overplay its weak hand.
    No more overwhelming technological lead,
    No more ” greatest generation “.
    No more ” united ” society “.
    Just blissful ignorance of the present layout of the overall situation of the world,
    is the biggest shortcoming the US has. The US still lead the world
    as a most capable hater of the opponents with its hegemonic desires to rule them.
    Turning the planet to a ” apache territory ” where you turn tribes against one and other
    Ukraine vs . Russia , China vs . Taiwan , Kuwait vs , Iraq. etc. Just waiting for
    them to weaken each other , so you move in and kill them off, and rob them blind.
    That what makes sense for the US. That’s what it means to earn the living , that
    what it means to be ” exceptional for the US. In apache’s times only has bow and arrows
    and not much understanding of your kind of warfare. Lie and deceive backstab , and
    leapfrog when you have an advantage.
    Today your opponents have nuclear warheads, and full understanding of your skims ,
    and your weaknesses, and what a coward you really are.
    The powerful capable US is gone . Today its leaders are confusing Austria with Australia.
    Today its people cant speak they own language , ” you now wat im cayin ?”.
    The US has zero chance against the very high spirited Chines or Russian.
    The outcome of war is decided by the spirits , not by warheads.

    • Replies: @Quartermaster
    , @awry
  9. pyrrhus says:

    Trump will never start a war with either Russia or China….or anyone else, for that matter. The danger will come if there is a successful coup against Trump by the neocons…

  10. @hunor

    Like Saker, you’re simply a raving idiot. Putin has chosen to run his mouth at every opportunity and all it has gotten Russia is more impoverished.

    Anyone thinking that spirit is decisive when you are poorly armed and trained, against people that have the weapons, the training and the fighting spirit to match is an idiot. Russia still isn’t much better than a 3rd world country with nuclear weapons, and that is why Putin has been rattling nuke sabers at every turn.

    There has been more than one dictator that thought the US was a bunch of cowards. They paid the price for it too.

    It’s past time the Russian people woke up to see the idiot they keep putting in the Kremlin. His revanchism will only destroy them, and it is close now.

    So, go ahead and start another invasion of Ukraine. The entire world knows that’s what Putin wants to to do.

  11. JLK says:

    It is more useful to focus on just what the disagreements are between Russia and the U.S., causing the heightened rhetoric.

    Syria is the most obvious one, but even the conflict there is worth analyzing for the real geopolitical issues.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
  12. Someone once said that diplomacy is the art of saying “nice doggy” while reaching for a rock.

    I often think of that quote when Lavrov says, “our American friends” or “our American partners.”

  13. @pyrrhus

    Who says Trump is in charge?

    • Replies: @bluedog
  14. awry says:
    @hunor

    Facts don’t care about your feelings, unfortunately. I don’t hate Russia, nor am I a fanboy for American hegemony and US policy in the past 30 years, just stated the facts. At the moment the US still has overwhelming technological lead in conventional weapons. Russia is thumping its chests about technology similar to what the US already possessed in the 1991 Gulf War. Besides that only dubious Wunderwaffen/Putinwaffen, like the “Burevestnik” nuclear powered cruise missile (did it manage to fish out the crashed missile from the sea before the US did? Probably we won’t know for a while) etc. Armata and PAK-FA are basically stalled because lack of money and possibly technological challenges too.
    In today’s word “spirit” is not enough against technological superiority, actually it never was (ask the Incas) except in guerilla warfare, and only if the technologically superior side is restricting itself enough, and doesn’t simply wipe out the whole population that is sustaining the insurgency. In the future it will probably even less enough. Try fighting killer drones with AK’s. Of course after an Armageddon that would change.
    I did not mention China, it may become a superpower rivaling the US in this century, Russia not. And China and Russia are not natural allies, nor equal partners, as Russia is dwarfed by China in GDP, population and even technology. China is an industrial giant, Russia can’t even produce a smartphone or a modern CPU on its own (there are/were Russian designed CPU’s produced in Taiwan by TSMC AFAIK). In Russia’s place in would be a little worried about my far eastern territories and the Chinese claims about them for example. So you may find that offensive, but Russia is roughly a Brazil with a colder climate, a nuclear triad and a working space program (Brazil had one too but the rocket blew up killing most engineers who participated in the project). But they have this huge ego clinging to the days when they actually counted in the world for a few decades (while the people lived in poverty and stood in lines for bread, and the store shelves were empty).

  15. hunor says: • Website
    @Quartermaster

    There is no hope for you you are gone. Have an other joint.

  16. AWB says:

    So is China. It’s generally agreed no one of the 3 super powers could be the other 2, although, if 1 can, it would be the US.

  17. Yee says:

    Pretty strange that the US wants to fight military war with Russia, and economic war with China.

    I would have thought you should pick your opponent’s weak point not their strong point.

    Something’s wrong here… Perhaps it’s all fake moves. It’s all “bargaining skills”.

    • Agree: byrresheim
  18. @awry

    I am not some Russophobe

    Could have fooled me!

  19. RF says:

    “This might be the time for Russia … to begin pushing back seriously”

    BS. Kremlins will never ever push back because it would be fraught with a defeat and consequently loss of power. Last February 179 Russians were killed by US strike in Syria. What came out of it? Nothing.

    Remember, kids: The state of RF is weak and ruled by a gang of thieving cowards who until recently stored all their loot in the West. All threats by RF’s officials is just hot air rhetorics targeting RF’s populace. Putin will NEVER strike back.

    • Replies: @animalogic
    , @Jon0815
  20. Mario964 says:

    Excellent column.
    The real (and dreadful) question is: is Cassandra right again?

    • Replies: @Old Smokey
  21. Matthiew says:

    Russia is preparing for war. Well this is what Russia and in fact any other “sovereign” nation should do during time of peace. Having said that, it doesn’t mean at all that Russia will get into a war soon. I am kind of sick and tired of the warmongering going on at Alt-Med. I understand that this strategy attracts viewers and possibly donations, similar to bashing the Jews like Russia Insider is doing constantly. I am opposing it because people and their comments tend to get over board. One thing is for sure Russia doesn’t need a war and not running after one. US will NOT attack Russia for the simplest reason that Russia has the biggest stockpile of nuclear weapons thanks to the Soviets. EU is no where close even to build up a strong military force. So what are we talking here? Is it the Martians who will attack Russia? All strategic plannings by both US and the Soviets showed that a war between Russia and the West is near impossible. Russia also does not threat any strategic and vital interest of the west. Just show me one example. China’s situation is different and China really threatens the vital economic and military interests of the western oligarchy to certain extend. There could be a war in the future between the two super powers, namely China and the US. Russia will not be part of this war and if so, Russia will definitely be on the side of the West. China bashing on some nationalistic Russian media is appalling.

    • Replies: @Anon
  22. Begemot says:

    Anyone thinking that spirit is decisive when you are poorly armed and trained, against people that have the weapons, the training and the fighting spirit to match is an idiot.

    According to General Miller, the senior US commander in Afghanistan, referring to the Taliban: “This is not going to be won militarily”. Seventeen years of effort by reputedly the best military in all of history and that military’s efforts have come “not going to be won militarily” against a force that in all the categories you specify is inferior (save will to prevail)? Who is the idiot here?

    Link: https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/11/01/this-is-not-going-to-be-won-militarily-top-us-commander-in-afghanistan-reveals-pessimism/

    • Replies: @wraith67
  23. Matthiew says:
    @awry

    Couldn’t agree more. Russia is nowhere a Super power and will never be especially with an economy of the size of NY State. The Alt-Media hype of Russia is related most probably to Russian State propaganda which wants to show Russia much more powerful and almost as a Super power which is nowhere close. Russia is a regional power for sure at the level of Turkey, Iran, Brazil,Indonesia etc. The only superior side of Russia is the inherited arms from the Soviets, especially the nuclear ones. I also don’t buy the Russian state propaganda that Russian arms are the best. Russia cannot even produce a decent chip, while China has the technology to produce quite good microchips even with AI embedded. The reason that US is not going to attack (or even bother with Russia) is that Russia has nuclear weapons. Russia does not threat the vital interests of the US, on contrary currently US and Russia agree on most of the things from middle east to Crimea (listen to Trump). This article by Saker is therefore a nonsensical BS.

    • Replies: @Jon0815
  24. Matthiew says:

    Also I would like to add that US withdrawing from the missile pact signed during Soviet times is not a sign that US wants to attack Russia. The reason is rather simple. US does NOT see Russia as an equal and wanted to get out of this outdated agreement as it ties it’s hands against China. US wants to be ready for a future conflict with China. That is the reason why they only sent Bolton (a lower level official than a President) to Russia to stop Putin’s rhetoric. The real enemy of US is NOT Russia, but China which is already a super power. Russia is a regional power with a 3rd world economy. Sorry Russian fanatics. But this is the truth.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  25. ANOSPH says:
    @awry

    At the moment the US still has overwhelming technological lead in conventional weapons.

    Dream on. The military record of the US is unimpressive. It hasn’t faced a peer in seventy years, and when it did, a real nation did the overwhelming majority of the work. The primary successor of that same nation would defeat the US/NATO armed forces in a conventional conflict in its periphery, both because of its advantages in key military technologies, which would deny the US the sea zones and airspace they’re used to operating in freely and because the people they’d be fighting against are much more prepared to bear the costs of war.

  26. bluedog says:
    @Si1ver1ock

    He’s not the military/C.I.A. is in charge and has been ever since 1963….

  27. @Sean

    I don’t know what you’re on, but your grasp of reality is very tenuous.
    USA: Federal Deficit over $20 trillion. Budget Deficit $1 trillion a year, not including extra military expenditure. Balance of Trade $12 trillion since Clinton ( not adjusted for inflation ).
    Russia: $200bn balance of trade surplus this year. 6th lowest public debt in the world.

    https://russia-insider.com/en/mapping-consequences-inevitable-sanctions-russia/ri25261

    US frackers are heavily indebted to Wall Street and need an oil price of $70 or more a barrel just to break even.
    I have tried to reason with you, but you keep on regurgitating this garbage. You evince invincible ignorance every time you comment on these matters.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @TheJester
  28. nsa says:

    Every serious study shows that the countries with the greatest potential wealth (PER CAPITA natural resources) are Russia, Canada, Australia in that order. Russia is a vast country covering 11 time zones with boundless untapped natural resources and a relatively modest population of 150 million. What galls the western countries and their elites is that they had these vast resources within their grasp in the early 1990s and blew it. Jeff Sachs and the IMF jooboys were parachuted into the former USSR to install a modern theftocratic state along the lines of the USA and UK…….and they blew it. Greedy to the core, they turned over Russia’s vast resources to a handful of jooie oligarchs, who were eventually mostly run out and ended up in Izzieville, of course. The Russians will never be forgiven for retaining their resources in the wake of abject geopolitical humiliation……

  29. @awry

    In today’s word “spirit” is not enough against technological superiority

    Is that why in Afghanistan the US and NATO troops with their technologically advanced ridiculously expensive toys are afraid to venture beyond their heavily fortified bases, whereas the Taliban with Kalashnikovs and medieval mentality roam freely all over the country? The reality does not support your assertions.

  30. anonymous[319] • Disclaimer says:

    War has had a function for the American system, economically as well as politically. It’s dependent on some level of conflict. They don’t want an all-out war with the Russians but just a few local clashes somewhere so that the alarm bells can be set off and war hysteria drummed up. Money by the trillion can then be diverted from a compliant public as it becomes frightened. Civil liberties can be curtailed even further. It’s a nice racket as long as the Americans don’t let it get out of hand.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  31. Jon0815 says:
    @awry

    It is Russia who is still longing for the glory of the Czarist and USSR times and still sees itself in the mirror as a great power. With the GDP roughly equal to that of Italy etc.

    The USSR also had a GDP roughly equal to Italy (but it spent 15% of GDP on defense, vs. 3% for Russia today).

    Also, nominal GDP measures how much military hardware a country can afford to import. It doesn’t measure how much military hardware that country can build itself. Russia can build a tank for about 1/3rd what it would cost to build the same tank in Italy. So Russia’s real military budget- adjusted for Purchasing Power Parity- is about three times the nominal figure.

    • Replies: @Ivan K.
  32. Jon0815 says:
    @awry

    In today’s word “spirit” is not enough against technological superiority, actually it never was (ask the Incas) except in guerilla warfare,

    If this were true, the Saudis would not be struggling to capture territory from Yemeni goatherders.

    Competence and morale still counts for a lot.

    • Replies: @awry
  33. Jon0815 says:
    @Matthiew

    Couldn’t agree more. Russia is nowhere a Super power and will never be especially with an economy of the size of NY State.

    Russia doesn’t buy its weapons on the international market, so the size of its economy at the current ruble exchange rate, is meaningless with respect to its military power.

    In real terms (Purchasing Power Parity) Russia’s economy is the same size as Germany’s.

    Russia is a regional power for sure

    Is Syria part of Russia’s “region”?

    at the level of Turkey, Iran, Brazil,Indonesia etc.

    Military budgets in 2017:

    Russia: $66 billion ($180 billion PPP)
    Brazil: $30 billion
    Turkey: $18 billion
    Iran: $14 billion
    Indonesia: $8 billion

    The only superior side of Russia is the inherited arms from the Soviets, especially the nuclear ones.

    More than half of Russia’s nuclear arms were built after 1991.

    • Replies: @Anon
  34. I thought there was something called MAD – Mutually Assured Destruction, so who would be mad enough to start a war with that assured end?

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  35. @Sean

    “Russia’s problem is it wants to maintain itself as a power of the super rank and that is something it lacks the capacity to do, ”
    No it does not. Russia wishes to maintain its Sovereignty. The US wishes to undermine that Sovereignty – essentially a return to the Yeltsin years. A return to the Rape of a great nation.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  36. @RF

    “Putin will NEVER strike back.” You mean Putin will not strike first. Putin has been very clear, on a number of occasions, that Russia WILL strike back. Me, I think attacking Russia would be like Russian roulette … with 4 or 5 chambers loaded.

    • Replies: @RF
  37. Sean says:
    @Verymuchalive

    US frackers are heavily indebted to Wall Street and need an oil price of $70 or more a barrel just to break even… USA: Federal Deficit over $20 trillion. Budget Deficit $1 trillion a year, not including extra military expenditure. Balance of Trade $12 trillion since Clinton ( not adjusted for inflation ).

    Well the people in charge obviously think businesses invest when they see a market and if the consumers have less money to create that market because of fiscal consolidation the books being balanced is likely to cause a nasty depression. Hence the frackers will continue to get free money from Wall St, and Russia will continue to decline. It will need the newest US technology to survive and to get it Russia must become America’s sidekick.

    Russia is relatively speaking far weaker in conventional military terms than the Warsaw pact was in the early 80′s. Of course it talks tough and says it would use nuclear weapons at the drop of a hat, but it would not and neither would the US. Nuclear weapons are a deterrent to nuclear war. Conventional war is less likely, but still possible if the Kremlin were to be drawn into a war by Baltic countries or Poland (it seems to be trying that already).

    I compared Russia to a peaceful rattlesnake (yes, they are peaceful creatures!)

    A rattlesnake that remained understated until it was attacked would be rather stupid. And indeed everyone from a kid in the school to a superpower plays tit for tat with insults and threats up to the brink of going toe to toe, then usually drops the matter. Russia and the US are not evenly matched except in nuclear weapons, the ones that cannot be used. But lets stay with your comparison.

    Our little Herpestidae friends circle, provoke and repeatedly draw attack, which they jump back from. Eventually the supposedly dangerous creature is becomes exhausted from maintaining readiness, then our chum closes in for real. The US has the resources and productive capacity to sustain a long term mobilization for immanent war, and Russia does not. The rattle of a hollow state!

  38. Jon0815 says:
    @RF

    Last February 179 Russians were killed by US strike in Syria.

    That’s a very specific made-up number.

    The actual number of murdered Wagner personnel was around 20, per Der Spiegel reporting.

    Yes, by ignoring their deaths Putin once again showed weakness. But if those had been Russian soldiers rather than mercenaries, even Putin would have had to respond.

    • Replies: @Anon
  39. A rattlesnake that remained understated until it was attacked would be rather stupid. And indeed everyone from a kid in the school to a superpower plays tit for tat with insults and threats up to the brink of going toe to toe, then usually drops the matter. Russia and the US are not evenly matched except in nuclear weapons, the ones that cannot be used.

    It would be nice to see Ron Unz replace the Saker with you for Christmas. It is becoming increasingly difficult to wade through the Saker’s and Martyanov’s collective delusions without laughing.

    • Replies: @Sergey Kriger
  40. Travis says:

    As a thinking American, I don’t want war with Russia. Nor do I agree with our armed forces fighting for regime change in Syria. Not all Americans back these things, though many are persuaded by the media’s nonstop propaganda, I see it around me. Some of us do understand that our country can be annihilated and I do ask people who are programmed by the media propaganda sometimes “If our cities are destroyed, would you look back and think we should have done something differently”.

    • Agree: densa
  41. No I’m not listening because Russia is always on the evil u.s. government side. Russia has been proven to be a coward when u .s. bombed Syria when Russia issued the red line to u.s. not to cross and u.s. crossed that line and Russia backed down.

    • Replies: @bluedog
    , @ploni almoni
  42. bluedog says:
    @John Grissom

    Yes and Obama backed down when Russia gave them an out on his red line, so what does that prove?..

  43. All Russia has to do is take out the troops in one of NATO’s war games and Europe falls

  44. Great piece. I strongly suggest you read “Destined for War: Can America and China Escape Thucydidies Trap?’ By Prof. Graham Allison, 2018. Thucydidies wrote the book about the long war between Sparta and Athens, also worth reading. Prof. Allison’s Ph.D. advisor was Dr. Henry Kissinger.
    This book has oodles of history I never knew. The book lists 18 examples of an economically growing empire displacing the current ruling empire.

    I also recommend Daniel Ellsberg’s 2017 “The Doomsday Trap,” about nukes. Ellsberg had a “Q” clearance. I had an uncle who worked at Y-12 at Oak Ridge who had a “Q” clearance. This clearance meant that one knew the location, numbers, yields, of all US nukes and the location and amounts of all fissionable materials. Ellsberg’s revelations about the Cuban Missile Crisis are stunning (and this is a vast understatement). The most remarkable and chilling book I’ve ever read.

    cheers

    Tennessean

    • Replies: @Adivsor52
    , @Steve
  45. Cyrano says:
    @awry

    The only spirits that Russians ever needed to win any war were large quantities of vodka. What are you brave souls going to rely on in order to fight the Russians – crack cocaine? I guess it’s a cultural thing, the Nazis were on methamphetamines and cocaine. But in your case, due to the diverse nature of your culture and abundance of street drugs, you can really get creative.

  46. @Yee

    The “Trade war” that Trump has started with China is merely an attempt to normalize a lop-sided trade position to one that is more equitable. You are mistaken if you think China has the position of strength.

    China is heavily dependent on Western consumption of their exports to keep their economy going – this is the engine that drove their phenomenal growth over the past few decades. They indulged in currency manipulation on a grand scale to keep this scheme going, with the tacit consent of the Globalist US Establishment. One major effect was the hollowing out of US domestic manufacturing industry. Trump got elected on pledges to do something about this, and he’s making good on those promises. Import tariffs swing the balance back towards domestic manufacturing, re-importing jobs that were exported over the past few decades.

    What can China do about this? Nothing. Even the massive stock of US debt that they hold (a necessary consequence of their currency manipulation) is no trump card at all, quite the opposite. As masters of their own currency, the US will always be able to service this debt, it’s main relevance is to the value of the dollar. All China would achieve by dumping it is to undo their currency scheme, tank the dollar, and make US manufacturing even more competitive. With the US now self-sufficient in oil production, they would feel no downside to a cheap dollar.

    China needs to work more on building its domestic consumption to balance its economy in a sustainable way. When the dust settles, they will remain a significant global economic power, but not the superpower they were projected to be by some, who shortsightedly imagined the US would continue to consent to this lopsided arrangement indefinitely, in deference to the Globalist money-God and at the expense of their own citizens.

    As for Russia, I think (hope and pray) that Trump is just posturing at the moment, a necessary charade given the ongoing seditious conspiracy from within his own Government. My hope is that he will be able to consolidate his power after the mid-terms and deliver the detente with Putin that was promised. We shall see.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    , @Anon
  47. RF says:
    @animalogic

    Correct, Putin will retaliate if attacked with nukes. However, he will never ever risk a real confrontation by responding in kind to a minor military insult. Turkey shot RF’s planes, no retaliation. Two hundred mercenaries were killed in an US strike: no retaliation. I predict that whatever will be done to RF’s military abroad by other major West-related players, Putin will swallow it. Oh, he will raise the level of propaganda for internal consumption, but that will be it.

  48. peterAUS says:

    Although I, obviously, disagree with the resident “Team Russia” re Russia challenging US wold domination, there IS one point I’d like to emphasize: I feel it’s not related to actual fighting capability of Russia but with the current regime in Kremlin.
    True, around 90 % of “Team Russia” are actually “Team Putin” , but there are a couple of real Russian nationalists around.

    The real question is: how would all this look like if a real Russian nationalist (team) were in Kremlin?

    I believe it would look differently. I believe we wouldn’t have seen any Turks in Syria, any US cruise missile launches, and, even not much IAF incursions.
    Among other things; don’t even want to mention what would’ve happened in Ukraine.

    So, bottom line (for those dumb around) is: while Russia is not a problem for USA it doesn’t have much to do with actual capability of Russian armed forces (and intelligence community while we are on the topic). It has everything to do with ….that…multidimensional chess with the “partners”.

  49. @nsa

    A fundamental Marxist error. Natural resources have to be sold to deliver wealth. Japan is the world’s most complex economy without almost no natural resources.

    • Replies: @nsa
  50. @animalogic

    Transneistra, Georgia, Crimea and Donbass were all about poor threatened Russia maintaining sovereignty? The Stavka’s narrative of Russia under siege is the usual mechanism of population control. Most countries outside the EU, Anglo second division and Japan have important groups using this technique. Goering explained it well.

    • Replies: @animalogic
    , @El Dato
    , @Robjil
  51. @Cyrano

    Tea works quite well too. I prefer strong Kenyan compared to the fine Darjeelings Russians drink but tea is tes.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  52. Adivsor52 says:

    This article encompasses many truths but it is built on a faulty premise, and rests on a cracked foundation. The average Russian does not want to fight; more importantly Russia only has 180 mil or so of population….they are nothing what they used to be and Trump and the American military machine know this.

  53. Adivsor52 says:
    @Tennessean

    you are bringing up non relevant red herring straw man arguments as analogies.

  54. TheJester says:
    @Verymuchalive

    My wife and I own six oil wells in North Dakota. A few years ago only three wells produced three times the income compared to what the six wells produce today. A difference in the price of oil does not generate the difference in income.

    Against our hopeful expectations, we learn that fracked wells deplete very quickly. The lesson: The fracking industry in North Dakota and other locations is not the long-term economic bonanza that many (including us) had hoped for and expected.

    Owning fracked oil wells is kind of like a Fourth of July celebration … fireworks for a short period of time and then it’s over.

    https://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/tag/fracking/

    The low population and the relatively empty landscape in North Dakota mean that the environmental damage attributable to fracking is easily overlooked. The same has not proved true in more heavily populated areas in the Mid-Atlantic states, i.e. earthquakes, gas leaks, contaminated water supplies. This severely limits where the technology can be safely deployed.

    Fracking might be the last gasp of the American energy industry rather than its salvation.

  55. Archimedes says, “Give me a lever and I will move the world.”
    America says, “Give us nuks and we will blow it up.”
    WWIII will happen for the simple reason war is what we do (since Vietnam).
    The only question is whether it will be a worldwide extinction event:
    Matt 24:22 “And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.” Спаси и сохрани.

    • Replies: @hunor
    , @Anonymous
  56. Langlrene says:

    You know who is listening? defender of our right to peace Josh Schulte, and the people who actually do what he’s been scapegoated for.

  57. Tennesseean re [48], Allison’s Thucydides trap is a Classics 101 fail from bureaucratic hack Graham Allison, who munched CIA dingleberries for a living. If Allison had read more than the Spark notes, he would know the Spartans determined to go to war with Athens not because Athens was vaguely ascendant in some way, but because Spartan leaders met and concluded, we have to fight them, they’re not going to leave us alone.

    Now that Russia is at that point, it would be useful to shed the CIA brainwashing that bled this trusting country white. Allison is yet another fluffed Harvard mediocrity. His gift to posterity is his incredible feat of making the the Kennedy School into a place where paunchy middle-aged political science teachers can score student babes.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  58. Putin and Xi are playing the long game…and doing a pretty darned good job of it.

    They’re awaiting the inevitable destruction of the U.S. caused by it’s own overreach…the U.S. dollar / petrodollar.

    It’ll work too.

    Sleep soundly tonight. It’ll all end without war.

  59. @TheJester

    And how is N. Dakota’s fracking disappointment pertinent to the Saker’s article?

    • Replies: @Sean
  60. EoinW says:

    Is it just me or has the Saker’s comment section evolved into a Troll Jamboree? Some decent posts but far less than what I used to see here. Meanwhile the trash coming out of the garbage can…wow! The western world really is finished when the offline zombies are being complimented by an increasing number of online idiots. PCR has it right – as usual – by not allowing comments. The Saker must have the patience of Job to put up with all the nonsense being posted here.

    • Agree: Kiza
    • Replies: @hunor
  61. @Philip Owen

    “Transneistra, Georgia, Crimea and Donbass were all about poor threatened Russia maintaining sovereignty?”
    Short answer: Yes.
    Georgia, trained, supplied, egged on by the US unprovoked attacked Transneista – a statelett with which Russia has close ties. Russia gave Georgia a smack – rather than the thrashing it deserved.
    Crimea: 95% ethnic Russian & the base for Russia’s Sth fleet. Referendum results clearly show the people’s desire for Russia, not Ukraine.
    Donbass: again, on Russia’s borders & majority ethnic Russian. Russia gave logistical & intelligence support & allows some Russian volunteers to help. All examples bring sovereignty issues into play.
    As for Russia under siege ? Siege is strong word. But clearly the West is seeking to weaken, humiliate Russia at all turns: illegal sanctions, fake news & propaganda(Russia stole our elections, bla-bla) & never ending injustice ( allow the equally possible guilty party, the Ukraine onto the airline downing investigation & deny Russia ANY input. Blame Russia for the Skripnals before any significant investigation undertaken. These examples can be multiplied.)
    Actually “under siege” maybe not that far from the truth….

    • Replies: @Degenerate Scumbag
  62. hunor says: • Website
    @EoinW

    As far as nonsense, you are leading way ahead.

  63. Kiza says:
    @Realist

    Yes, you are right Realist as usual.

    It is blatantly clear that the policy of appeasement of the West has failed and that Russia is encouraging a nuclear strike by showing such weakness. Russian oligarchy, represented by Putin, is worried about its access to the Western markets if Russia strikes back when attacked. But the only way to prevent the First Strike is to show conventional willingness. How? By biting the bait that US is offering – sink Donald Duck, pardon Cook, that is cook the Donald and all its dumb sailors if it launches even one cruise missile on Syria. Then set your nuclear forces on highest alert and watch Western frothing at the mouth and mindless empty rage. Because for the West it is ok to kill but not to be killed. Eventually, this rage will turn into a whimper and the anti-war forces will win in Western societies. The main reason anti-war movement is so powerless in the West is that Western wars are at no human cost to them, they kill without being killed.

    The whimsical launching of missiles at other countries will stop. Otherwise, bye bye World with all its AngloZionist sewage. There is nothing that the Western shit understands better than cost.

    If the Russians do not retaliate, they will be subjugated and no hero songs will help.

  64. Anonymous[236] • Disclaimer says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    What do you guess would save humanity, a 22 hour day? 15 hrs? Maybe Jesus never heard of lightbulbs and the night shift.

  65. @animalogic

    You’re thinking of South Ossetia, not Transnistria, which is a breakaway region of Moldova. Otherwise though, your story is correct – it was an act of aggression by the Georgian government, which reignited a frozen conflict, initially by bombarding civilian areas with artillery.

    For me personally, this event was a big part of my awakening to the media manipulation that Ron has so clearly exposed in his “American Pravda” series. I was up late on the night the hostilities began, and witnessed how the initial reporting in the early hours actually told the true story, then watched with disbelief the next day as the narrative was reshaped into an act of aggression by big bad bully Russia against poor innocent little Georgia.

  66. peterAUS says:
    @Kiza

    The point, if not the actual delivery, does make sense. Or, “it’s not what you say but how you say it”.

    If I’d written this, it would’ve been like:
    It is blatantly clear that the policy of appeasement of the West has failed and that Russia is encouraging increase in confrontation by showing such weakness. Russian oligarchy, represented by Putin, is worried about its access to the Western markets if Russia strikes back when attacked. But the only way to prevent further escalation is to show conventional willingness.
    How? By biting the bait that US is offering – launch at a ship, if she launches even one cruise missile on Syria, a salvo of missiles with inert warheads.
    Then set your nuclear forces on highest alert, which should, at least in theory, encourage anti-war forces to confront TPTBs. The main reason anti-war movement is so powerless in the West is that Western wars are at no human cost to them.

    If the Russians do not retaliate, the level of confrontation will keep rising. Sooner or later Kremlin will have to act or the current team there could face internal dissent or worse.

    Now…The CAVEAT:
    With the current level of actual delusion and emotional approach to everything related to politics in West there IS a possibility that Russian actions, described above, could actually trigger the M.A.D. instead of prevent/delay it.
    The last rational decision makers in Wasthington, IMHO, were Bush Snr. and his team.

    So…here we are.
    Rather depressing. I just feel compelled to go shopping and forget all that. Then I’ll watch a ball game. Then update my Facebook etc.

    • Replies: @Kiza
    , @Anonymous
  67. Wally says:

    said:
    “(if violence can’t fix it, then even more violence will), forgetting that this belief did Germany no good against Russia.”

    Except that Germany had no choice, the USSR was preparing to attack. Big difference.

    Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999
    and: http://www.unz.com/announcement/the-remarkable-historiography-of-david-irving/

  68. Truth says: • Website

    It is really not US that wants a war with Russia, let alone American people. Putin and Russia supported Syria and defeated the Great Isreal Plan, hence the master is forcing its slave to act.

    Check this out:

    LE LOBBY – U.S.A. la guerre secrète (épisode 1)

    Le lobby – USA: Orienter les élites (épisode 2)

  69. Wally says:
    @TheJester

    “Fracking might be the last gasp of the American energy industry rather than its salvation”

    Nope, there is too much oil in the US, much on restricted ‘government’ land, but those restrictions are being loosened. In essence, the US is sitting on oceans of oil.

    When the fake leftists finally wake up and see that they cannot get enough energy from windmills & the sun, they won’t care about where the energy comes from, they will just want it.

    Oil ain’t going anywhere.

  70. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:

    INTERVIEW WITH AMBASSADOR FORD PART 1: IDLIB

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/A5bBWRB0FJs/

  71. @Realist

    ‘Russia talks tough, but never confronts the hegemonic US. Russia has rolled over in Syria.’

    This is a bizarre statement. A year or two ago Assad was still going to fall. Now the question is how long does he have to wait to get the whole country back.

    Hopefully Russia’s not planning to ‘roll over’ like this anywhere else.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @AnonFromTN
  72. Realist says:
    @Kiza

    That’s the way I see it.

  73. Pft says:

    I believe they fear the US will atempt a first strike and so want to remind them such a thing would not come without consequences.

    OTOH, fear works for Russia as well as in the US. Keeping the civilians fearful makes them easier to control and lets their elite cut pensions to feed their MIC and oligarchs.

    It may well be that Russia, China and US are good friends and just following the 1984 script of phony wars. The rich get richer.

    Which is real and which is not you decide

  74. Seraphim says:

    How many times the overwhelmingly superior West attacked the underdeveloped, poor, Russia, confident that their military, technological superiority would curb Russia’s ‘pretensions of great power’ quickly? And how these attacks ended? How come that people never learn from history? Einstein’s definition.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  75. El Dato says:
    @Sean

    In the medium term America cannot help but impoverish Russia by economic-technical fracking advances lowering the cost of energy.

    Oh that again.

    I hear fracking is already on the way out as output is declining faster than expected. Back to Gulf Oil, folks and the good stuff from Arabia soon?

    As the US doesn’t even know how to build nuclear reactors anymore (of which there would need to be 10’000 in any case to cover the energy needs) status quo is it.

    • Replies: @Wally
  76. El Dato says:

    Reminder about the thing called “The Great European War”:

    “Also what’s been going on is an armaments race …. approaching 1914 Europe is on a hair trigger – anything could start the armies moving. But nobody believes that. Because Europe has been through a number of crises … the crises are “defused” … it would be so crazy to go to war, it’s not like it will happen at all.”

    From 33:00

    Trump was pretty cringeworthy yesterday talking about his beautiful “F-35″ and the utterly ridiculous “Space Forces”. It’s fun for the unwashed masses but guy better get real and stop playing Sid Meier’s Civilization.

  77. El Dato says:
    @Philip Owen

    Transneistra, Georgia, Crimea and Donbass were all about poor threatened Russia maintaining sovereignty?

    And even if not … who the hell cares!!?!!

    - Transdniester – European problem, maybe Romanian problem.
    - Georgia – I don’t know. Caucasian problem? Turkish problem? Fuck that.
    - Crimea – European problem, maybe Turkish problem. Probably nobody’s problem.
    - Donbass – European problem. Fix it, bureaucratic gasbags!
    - Chechnya – Ah, we aren’t talking about that.

    Ok, the US cares and sends in the blue-clad cavalry because Freedoms are threatened. No, wait — because Russia is involved and there is oil nearby. Okay.

  78. @Mario964

    The real (and dreadful) question is: is Cassandra right again?

    Yes of course, by definition.

  79. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    So tiring and fake US led ” Cold War ” …… So tiring and fake US led ” Cold war II ” ……. USA the country of the endeless fake Cold Wars .

    Definetely the future of the white race is very bad , Europe and North America will end up in atomic flames , thank you USA , you are the doomsday nation .

  80. @Degenerate Scumbag

    China is heavily dependent on Western consumption of their exports to keep their economy going

    That’s kind of a backwards explanation of what is actually happening. China is highly dependent on Western companies that hire Chinese workers through subcontractors (i.e. Foxconn, Flextronics, et al) to produce goods there. What the tariffs do is cause these companies’ subcontractors to move their plants out of China, thereby leaving large numbers of Chinese employees jobless. Americans will still want to buy iPhones, but a good chunk of Chinese Foxconn employees who used to make them for the US market will be looking for other employment once the tariffs hit.

    The real kicker is that even Chinese companies will start moving some of their production out of China in order to take advantage of lower costs in the Philippines, Indonesia, Cambodia, Vietnam and Thailand. And from the perspective of the owners of those Chinese companies, moving that production abroad has the virtue of keeping their capital out of the reach of the Chinese Communist Party, which seems to believe that it has the right to confiscate property owned by any citizen of China at will.

  81. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jon0815

    You yankees know the price of everything and the value of nothing .

    You can only count ( or miscount ) figures , but you do not know anything about the value of the human soul , of life .

    I pity you so much Jon . You say Brazil 30 billions , Iran 18 billions ,Russia an economy like NY State …… Poor Jon , you only can count dollars , and you think that you are richer than the russians or brazilians , congratulations . But you can not value people , human beings , God created
    human beings . You must be a zombie . Your soul is not worth a single penny .

  82. Much talk these days about ’1984′, and ‘Brave New World’, but no mention of Neville Shute’s On the Beach, 1953, I think, the New Zealand government distributing suicide pills when the radio active dust from a nuclear war on the N hemisphere has reached New Zealand.
    How many idiots in the west do want war, difficult to judge, but if it more than a few thousand, it would surprise me.
    Democracy, and media controllling governments, illusions.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  83. Sean says:
    @Longfisher

    Saudi America
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    The technology of fracking in shale rock—particularly in the Permian Basin in Texas—has transformed America into the world’s top producer of both oil and natural gas. The U.S. is expected to be “energy independent” and a “net exporter” in less than a decade, a move that will upend global politics, destabilize Saudi Arabia, crush Russia’s chokehold over Europe, and finally bolster American power again.he technology of fracking in shale rock—particularly in the Permian Basin in Texas—has transformed America into the world’s top producer of both oil and natural gas. The U.S. is expected to be “energy independent” and a “net exporter” in less than a decade, a move that will upend global politics, destabilize Saudi Arabia, crush Russia’s chokehold over Europe, and finally bolster American power again.

    Journalist Bethany McLean digs deep into the cycles of boom and bust that have plagued the American oil industry for the past decade, from the financial wizardry and mysterious death of fracking pioneer Aubrey McClendon, to the investors who are questioning the very economics of shale itself. McLean finds that fracking is a business built on attracting ever-more gigantic amounts of capital investment,…

    Jester thinks that Russia will not be taken down by fracking. But Trump is not about balancing the books and he can call it a national security necessity to support fracking via a financial hosepipe . Given the capital injections, US will use new technology to teach Russia the it must choose between being a gas station tributary of China or a respected ally of America.

    • Replies: @bluedog
    , @anonymous
    , @Anon
  84. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    When the USSR collapsed and the soviet troops retreated from Germany , the US and NATO promised not to advance the Nato frontiers close to russian borders . And USA&EU promised that Russia would be integrated in the economy of western Europe .

    US did not fulfill her promises and nearly all the silly exsoviets joined NATO , just at the very border of Russia . NATO set Ucraina in flames , dismembered Yugoslavia . Georgia invaded Russia . And the US set on fire the middle east as well .

    Russia has nowhere to retreat , is weaker and poorer than the west . If the bellicous USA attacks Russia , Russia does not have other way out than to rain all her atomic missiles on western Europe and the USA & Canada . That`s what they mean when they say they are preparing for war : Nato stop cornering us , or you will be destroyed as well .

  85. Respect says:
    @TheJester

    Thank you very much for your first hand experience

  86. Sean says:

    Most senior US military commanders must realize that war against Russia and/or China is a suicidal proposition.

    Nuclear weapons are a deterrent to nuclear war. Neither Russia or China can get at the US in a conventional war. The US can humiliate China by having Taiwan declare independence, and they are threatening China with that. Xi is terrified. https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/president-xi-tells-military-to-concentrate-preparation-for-fighting-a-war/news-story/e3929306705b623290b925cbba1fda9b

    What is the master strategy to take down a dangerous opponent? It is like the mongoose versus the cobra (or Muhammad Ali at his best ). Stay mobile and harass to draw the opponent into futile attacks and jump back without engaging, Gradually exhaust at low risk by forcing them to maintain high readiness. The US is safe behind oceans and with the productive capacity to win conventionally with many allies (such as India and Europe) or proxies in a long conventional war. There will be a series of provocations by Trump to teach Xi that he wants to use North Korea, well America will play at that game too. The US is like a mongoose, too much flexibility, energy and stamina for a lower form like Russia.

    This is really all about China, America is seeking this confrontation now before China develops further. If it has to be pushed to the brink of war then it has to be and now. The Kaiser should have attacked France in 1905, he didn’t and less than a decade later Germany had to do something far more risky. As with any competition, the top dog plays safe while the underdog has to use more and more desperate measures to get back in the game. Hitler’s was the ultimate risky strategy that Germany ended up being forced to use because the Kaiser was not thinking like a leader. The US was certainly heading for war, Trump is taking timely corrective action.

    • Replies: @The scalpel
  87. Anonymous[190] • Disclaimer says:

    War with Russia talk is so 2017.

    Borrrrrinnnng

  88. anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    In May 2019 there will be elections to the Europarlament

    ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2019

    Probably there will be a high percentage of protest votes rejecting the present status quo , and one of the things people are fed up is with american militarism against Russia , and of american imposed economic sanctions against Russia which are damaging very much western european economies .

    Russia is an european nation , and should be treated like an european nation . The 70.000 US occupation troops in Europe should go back to the US , and leave Europe alone .

  89. @awry

    That’s ridiculous. Germany, France, Turkey and Russia just met to settle matters in Syria and the USA was not invited. The US is burning bridges with many allies at this time. Russia is neither isolated nor suffering the imminent economic collapse the USA definitely is. You’re just whistling in the dark mate.

  90. Parbes says:
    @Kiza

    Well said! The naked truth itself.

  91. Robjil says:
    @Philip Owen

    The Soviet Union was made of 15 republics which were meant to be “administrative” areas of the Soviet Union. They weren’t meant to be borders for “eternity”. Western wolves push this “eternal” communist borders for Soviet Union and Yugoslav republics. Both the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia made a huge mistake with their “republic” administration” of their nations. When both their governments fell. Western wolves prowled around to demand that the communist borders of these republics are “eternal”. The only republic border that wasn’t “eternal” for some odd reason was Serbia. US and NATO bombed the civilians of Yugoslavia (Montenegro and Serbia were together at the time, both nations’ civilians were bombed) to take Kosovo from Serbia. All the wars in the republics were natural protests against the fake communist borders of these republics. Transnistria is part of Novorossia. It was added by the Soviets to Moldavia to make Moldavia more “multi- cultural” . All southern and eastern Soviet Ukraine was Novorossia which was Russian and not Malorussia, Ukraine’s name in the Russian empire time. Stalin added Abkhazia and South Ossetia to Georgia. Crimea was added to Soviet Ukraine in 1954 without a vote. The people of Crimea had a choice to vote in 2014 with Nuland’s coup. The French revolutionaries were more intelligent. They divided France into a hundred departments, so every time a French government falls, France stays together.

  92. dax2 says:

    The certainty of a nuclear war is absolute as the following cannot be prevented: (1) america politicians and military leaders can never accept that america now is a second-rate power. Unfortunately, the certain savage defeat of the usa against russia will be the too-late indication of this fact. (2) no american politician and military leader will accept responsibility and extrenely hard corrective actions for the collapse of the american economy and dollar due to crushing national debt and other payables, decreasing industrial competitiveness, and loss of trust and confidence in their collective sanity by other countries. (3) correct belief that force majeure or act of god principles will apply in a world war and america can cheat in its repayment responsibilities, and american politicians and generals will be dead and cannot be blamed any more for their stupid actions. (4) the fastest way to reduce america to african nation status is by destroying its economy and financial stranglehold by using the many advanced nuclear weapons of russia. Russia actually has little or no reason to keep america alive longer than it should as a dying empire. A coup de grace is mandatory and needed for russia to assume the mantle it worked very hard to achieve as the greatest nation on earth. Killing the pretender is a must, as any leader knows.

    The nuclear war invited by the MAGA movement is a matter of when and not if.

  93. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201811041069494163-nato-soldiers-tank-car-norway/

    November 2018 : 50.000 NATO troops doing war games in the Norway-Russia border

  94. @Degenerate Scumbag

    Thank you for your correction re South Ossetia.

  95. Ahoy says:

    @ sean

    Yoy need to study hard history 101. Also, use a good camera to take a real picture of America. Millions of homeless and millions on food stamps is not the recipe for a great power.

  96. @awry

    ……………but than? How come they control US election and US can’t do anything about it, except catching flies in the dark of the night.

  97. @AWM

    You see, here, the government still fears the people.

    For this to come out of a citizen of one of the most zombified and brainwashed countries in history is hardly surprising. What are you smoking? Leaders can only fear an informed and alert citizenry, not a stupefied and pacified public.

    This piece rightly points out:

    As for the general western public, it has been successfully turned into what I call “ideological drones“: brainwashed automatons who will wave their (Chinese made) flags to cope with any residual cognitive dissonance.

    Triumphalist postures may be a useful feel-good tact. To ignore the dangers of nuclear confrontations and their threat to the entire planet, not just the Ziowestern empire betrays a racist, reckless and cavalier take on the Other. In such confrontation(s) a clear winner may not emerge, if any at all. If the wanton destruction that the US and her allies has wrought on ME countries recently and SE Asia before that has not awakened the public, nothing ever will.

  98. Z-man says:
    @awry

    I am not a Russophile, LOL, but this

    Russia is looking a decaying power again just like then or during Yeltsin cf. the increasing number of embarrassing failures like the sinking of the floating dock in Severomorsk, the glitch in the last Soyuz launch etc. etc.

    definitely makes you a Russophobe.
    Russia was a decaying power in the years right before and after the Soviet collapse but in the period of 1995-2014 Russian oil money, deals with western technology companies and maybe even some espionage helped the Russian economy quite a bit. As far as the Soyuz, America lost an entire crew with the shuttle back in the 80′s, at the height of Reagan’s America 1st exaggerated power.

  99. @nsa

    Politically astute, informational, NSA wrote: “Jeff Sachs and the IMF jooboys were parachuted into the former USSR to install a modern theftocratic state along the lines of the USA and UK…….and they blew it. Greedy to the core, they turned over Russia’s vast resources to a handful of jooie oligarchs, who were eventually mostly run out and ended up in Izzieville, of course.”

    Broken Scranton greetings, nsa!

    Fyi, During mid-1980′s and planning to do a research paper focused upon the political world view of Lyndon Larouche, I wrote to the Executive Intelligence Review (EIR) and requested a subscription gift in order to do the academic project. Succeeded and I soon began to receive EIR along with a polite note of thanks & best wishes.

    My paper received an “A” from University of Scranton adjunct Political Science Professor, Gerald Zurat, and afterward I tried (affordably) to keep abreast with the ultra nonconformist, & at times, incredible EIR.

    Fyr, posted (below) is a fascinating Lyndon Larouche 1998 article which discussed the “Jeff Sachs/IMF” pathogen-implantation into the suffering Motherland whose leadership obligingly shed it’s communist rattlesnake skin for a Western crony-capitalist rattlesnake skin.

    https://larouchepub.com/lar/1998/lar_mass_hysteria_2544.html

    Thanks so much for making such revelatory comment, nsa!

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  100. This seems to be essentially bluster. The author seems to be in complete panic and is just tossing out every argument he can think of to scare people off. That suggests that he believes that Putin would lose any such war.

    • Agree: Sean
    • Replies: @Anon
  101. @Philip Owen

    How pathetic!!!! Tee drinker who never drank “Earl Grey”

  102. Jed Roe says:

    Read the short story “Unite and Conquer” by Theodore Sturgeon. It’s the world’s only hope.

  103. Russia lost 30 million people in WWII and knows what war is and is warning the Zionist controlled U.S. and EUROPE and NATO to think before plunging the world into a war where there will be no winners and few survivors.

    The elites believe that they can survive in their DUMBS aka deep underground military bases that are connected via underground tunnels through out the U.S., but what will they see out on top when the nuclear exchange ends.

    The Zionist ziocons are insane in their belief that they will win a nuclear exchange but this is what the Zionist belief and this is why they are insane and are going to be the destruction of America and Europe.

    • Agree: Druid
  104. @Kiza

    “Because for the West it is ok to kill but not to be killed…Western wars are at no human cost to them, they kill without being killed.”

    I’ll grant you have a point here.

  105. Steve says:
    @Tennessean

    Tennessean,

    A Q clearance is given for individuals to have access to certain locations or information, it does not automatically infer access to all information or locations. If your relatives had access to the information that you state, then it is because they had a “need to know” in order to accomplish their duties. I had a Q clearance and did not have access to any of that information, nor did I want to, I had access to all the locations on our site, but absolutely no “need to know” what the nerds were working on. Not trying to big dong you friend, but a Q clearance is not immediate access to everything.

    Steve

  106. @nsa

    Hey nsa! As Atlanticist Integrationists attempt to engineer a ruinous Putin government turn to Western economics, I offer just one more thing.

    Perhaps you’re aware, nsa, that the wealthy & respected Jewish author, Naomi Klein’s great book, “The Shock Doctrine,” has articulated how Milton Friedman’s villainous Chicago School of Economics had turned the compromised Boris Yeltsin government into a gang of robbers? Please refer to The Guardian book review, below?

    https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2007/sep/15/politics#referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

    Fyi, as having read “The Shock Doctrine,” I regrettably do not recall Naomi as having come clean & described the nefarious work of international ‘Jooies.”

    Nonetheless, awful shit is on planning-board for the astronomically indebted and profligate spending ZUSA.

    Thanks, nsa!

  107. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Michael Kenny

    We all would lose the last war , an atomic war , you brainless cowboy

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @AnonFromTN
  108. @awry

    You do lead a rich fantasy life, don’t you?

    Who knew Insane McCain would be reincarnated so quickly?

  109. Lone Wolf says:

    The Gawker thrives on doomsday predictions. He reminds me of those cartoons of a long-bearded man dressed on a tunic a-la guru, going up-and-down a sidewalk in NYC with a sign that reads “The world ends tomorrow.” Since no one paid attention, he’ll be there next day with the same sign.

    The empire is battling a historical terminal illness, and many of the issues the Gawker points out are relevant, i.e., withdrawal from asphyxiating international treaties, conflicts with everybody and their brother, which means the empire is freeing itself from any legal, political, and diplomatic constraints that would limit its reach for pillage and plunder, and turning more and more into a rogue nation. And there are sectors of the empire within the “Deep State” that are clueless, ignorant, and blind about what expects them in a war on Russia, China, or even North Korea.

    However, those of us who lived through the October crisis, and survived to tell the story, can tell the Gawker that doomsday predictions are like conspiracy theories: a slippery slope. Once you start riding them, you can’t stop. He’s been predicting WWIII multiple times, and telling readers they are deaf (and dumb) for not paying attention to his false prophet calls of world ending. The empire has an enormous surplus of war materiel, and a substantial sector of its economy is war-based. They have an entire system at work, the MIC (mil-ind complex), integrating government and corporations, always in search for a conflict, a boogeyma(e)n, or “enemies” plain and simple, with agents inside the “Deep State” plotting 24/7.

    Those clueless, adventurist, nihilist sectors across the empire’s establishment, are countered by pragmatists with a long term view of the empire, and with an interest in self-preservation. The US military establishment is an institution with its own brain power, tank-thinkers, academics, and strategists, with a sense of itself as an element of quasi-permanent stability in the American establishment, and will not allow come-and-go politicians to use it for a self-destructive conflict. Just look at what’s happening with the so-called “Operation Faithful Patriot,” politically orchestrated to stop the “invasion” of unarmed men, women, and mostly children, coming from down south in a caravan of the dispossessed and disenfranchised.

    Pentagon rejected request for troops it viewed as emergency law enforcement at border

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/02/politics/white-house-pentagon-troops-border/index.html?utm_term=image&utm_source=twCNNp&utm_content=2018-11-02T21%3A21%3A30&utm_medium=social

    This is a petty example, the US Army would have a lot more motivation to enter a war against boogeymen Russia, China, or North Korea, than getting used by Trump as a border police force, but it shows how the establishment has set some check and balance mechanisms to keep itself fighting another day. If a cataclysmic war gets triggered by some hotheads, as Shoigu called the Israelis, the Gawker can always say, “see, my doomsday predictions were right,” and be seen by those who survive as a “prophet.” What if, as I believe, not predict, nothing happens two to five years from now? Can we cut the Gawker’s head? Which one?

    Lone Wolf

  110. Wally says:
    @El Dato

    “I hear fracking is already on the way out as output is declining faster than expected. Back to Gulf Oil, folks and the good stuff from Arabia soon?”

    The left has been saying the same for oil in general for many decades, and guess what, more & more oil is discovered.

    • Agree: Sean
  111. anon[707] • Disclaimer says:

    @Dax2 please correct it is not America but the USA you are talking about. Americans like Russians are tired of war and war talk, and war budgets, and warriors.

    @Degenerate Scumbag: agree: I don’t know about this, but I read that Sashkillavilly studied law in the us and as head of Georgia he bombed Russian residential sectors in Georgia, forcing Russia to protect its ethnic people. Also heard some guy named Sashkillavilly got kicked out of Kiev. See El Dato @ 82.. he said it very, very well. as did Robij @92 but did not say who was who ?

    @JLK not really, Syria is not an issue, its an expression of the issue..
    NATO protected oil companies are frustrated by Iran, Iraq, Yemen and Syria, they cannot get their respective governments to invade Iran to help them steal Iranian oil at least not without, losing Israel and be forced to stand against taking on the half the world who will defend the Shia State, the MIC is running out of NATO states able to buy its weapons, Russia, China, India and Block Chains are decimating the weapon power of SWIFT and the USA made Dollar, their is a global rising in progress against installed puppet governments.

    Putin said, if the fight is inevitable, the first to strike, has the advantage.

    @Quartermaster (Precursor “Russia is preparing for war” rhetoric occurs before the 9/11 blood rally event)

    @sean your Trump is showing

  112. nsa says:
    @Philip Owen

    “Natural resources have to be sold to deliver wealth”.
    Huh? A million dollars worth of oil or gold in the ground is real wealth that will only increase in value over time, whereas a million paper dollars under your mattress will eventually be worth nothing like every other fiat currency throughout history. Again……Russia, Canada, Australia in that order have the brightest future based on their abundance of natural resources and modest populations. Need more proof? Jeff Sachs and the IMF jooboys were not trying to take over supposedly wealthy Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan in the early 1990s.

  113. @ChuckOrloski

    Back in 1998 The Nation ran a piece titled
    “The Harvard boys do Russia”

    (currently authored by a Janine R. Wedel but my memory from a decade or so ago credits some other broad, and in this day where, to quote the Z-man, “Only the future is certain, it’s the past which is unknown.” who knows who wrote it.)

    https://www.thenation.com/article/harvard-boys-do-russia/

    The Nation was insufficiently prescient to note that them doing Russia was merely a practice run for them doing the US.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  114. @pyrrhus

    It is the deep state that wants war with Russia. That is why they are using undemocratic means to eliminate Trump.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  115. Corvinus says:

    “Recently at a meeting the United States stated that Russia is preparing for war. Yes, Russia is preparing for war, I can confirm it. Yes, we are preparing to defend our homeland, our territorial integrity, our principles, our values, our people. We are preparing for such a war. But there is a major difference between us and the United States. Linguistically, this difference is just in one word, in both Russian and English: Russia is preparing for war while the United States is preparing a war”.

    More posturing and rhetoric. We’ve been hearing this for decades. Either put up or shut up. There is no imminent threat, or looming threat, or whatever adjective one can come up with. It’s all a Chicken Little shell game.

  116. There won’t be any war coming from the US. Sanctions are already taking the place of armed conflict.

    Also the purpose of the “beautiful wall” isn’t to curtail brown immigration, it’s to zionize Trump’s base by drawing false parallels between the Mexican and the Arab (e.g. calling them both “rock-throwers”). This is part of a long-standing plan of establishing moral equivalence between the US and Israel. They build a separation wall, therefore we must build one. They disregard laws of war therefore we must do so. They torture their captives, therefore we must torture ours. They call every enemy a terrorist, so we must also do so. They detain and execute without trial; so must we.

    Recall that during the campaign Trump wanted to expand H1-B visas; they let too much slip and had to backtrack, but the long-term plan is intact. Trump’s plan for the future of America is a Jewish upper caste, a Hindu middle caste, and Whites, Blacks, and Browns becoming mixed, untouchable lower castes. The mother country of the Jewish colonial rule be Israel. The success in duping American Whites is a result of propaganda genius.

    The Hindu is ideal for this role because he will respect the superior varna of the Jew, and he has no Abrahamic religion. Retooled, Zionized Christianity, Protestant, Catholic, or Orthodox will be the glue that binds the lower castes. There is no longer any need to import cheap labor from the South; there will be enough middle-class dropouts here to fill the role.

  117. TheJester says:
    @TheJester

    My apologies for not connecting my comments on fracking with comments in the thread; I thought the connection was obvious. My take: Fracked gas and oil are a “flash in the pan” rather than a long-term element of national power. See below.

    https://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2015/04/01/how-much-u-s-oil-and-gas-comes-from-fracking/

    https://fuelfix.com/blog/2013/12/17/shale-well-depletion-raises-questions-over-us-oil-boom/

    For example, Trump is pressuring the EU to replace Russian natural gas with US gas. However, 54% of US natural gas comes from fracking. If gas (and oil) from fracking is the result of a short-term surge, then US gas will not be a reliable replacement for Russian gas in the long term due to how quickly fracked wells run their course. The leadership of the EU is undoubtedly aware of this, which is why they are resisting the political pressure to make the substitution regardless of the order-of-magnitude higher price for US natural gas.

    One factor driving the higher price for fracked resources is transporting gas and oil — the removal problem. Given the rapid depletion of fracked wells, there is a rapid turnover of wells to new areas without infrastructure. Then, the issue is how to get the oil and gas to market. Given the geography, pipelines are typically sparse requiring transport by truck and rail lines … which are much more expensive and have a whole different range of environmental and safety issues. Indeed, sometimes it doesn’t even make economic sense to save the gas; it is burnt off at the wellhead.

    The rapid well depletion and resource removal issues are such that fracked oil and gas are only a “sometime” thing. It is so “sometime” that it should not be considered as an element of national power. Trump is playing to the energy lobby to claim otherwise in international relations.

  118. The scalpel says: • Website
    @Sean

    ” The US is like a mongoose, too much flexibility, energy and stamina for a lower form like Russia.”

    LOL

  119. @Bill Jones

    Bill Jones graciously informed: “The Nation was insufficiently prescient to note that them doing Russia was merely a practice run for them doing the US.”

    Yeah…, too bad The Nation did not take the evident economic criminal behavior to the next level, an undemocratically imposed globalisation upon the US and pursuant deindustrialization of the American economy. (Zigh)

    Since President Boris Yeltsin left power, one can see how the Russian government remains under relentless warlike pressure to conform with the American-Israeli Empire’s demand for global economic-policy obedience.

    Unfortunately, Putin’s Russia is at war with both internal Jewish Oligarchs and those international bankers representing the Anglo-American Zionist west.

    As to the absent grim awareness of trusting & insouciant US citizens? The cunning Jewish Corporate Media has logically decided to let ‘Merkins temporarily enjoy the fruits of mass deception, and learn via the Charles Dickens “hard way.”

    Thanks a lot, Bill Jones.

  120. JLK says:

    Nuclear weapons were developed 75 years ago, and a lot of research into new weaponry has been funded since then. Mostly by the USA, but Russia/USSR has invested a fair amount as well. Keep in mind that Russian scientists are not paid very well and they can do a lot more research for a given amount of money.

    So there could be things we don’t know about. Just saying.

  121. Che Guava says:
    @AWM

    You know very little of history.

    Apart from the various White Russian factions, and Japan, the USA (briefly), Czechoslovakia, and others, the main move was by the Red Army under Lev Bronstein (Trotsky) into what are now parts of the Ukraine and Poland.

    They were defeated. Please try to read some history before saying anything. It is not that difficult, that is, if you can read.

  122. bluedog says:
    @Sean

    You do mean slave of the U.S. do you not,for we have no friends or allies empires seldom do, for they prey on friends allies enemies in the same manners as vultures feed on the dead..

    • Replies: @Sean
  123. Agent76 says:

    Nov 29, 2016 The Map That Shows Why Russia Fears War With USA

    October 27, 2018 “Wipe the Soviet Union Off the Map”

    204 Atomic Bombs against 66 Major Cities, US Nuclear Attack against USSR Planned During World War II When America and the Soviet Union Were Allies. First published November 4, 2017.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/wipe-the-ussr-off-the-map-204-atomic-bombs-against-major-cities-us-nuclear-attack-against-soviet-union-planned-prior-to-end-of-world-war-ii/5616601

  124. Realist says:
    @Colin Wright

    How many Russians has the US killed in the last year? How many Americans has Russia killed in the last year?

    How many Russians has Israel killed in the last year? How many Israelis has Russia killed in the last year?

    Hopefully you get the point.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  125. The USA is on a deadly path, and this must be apparent to most of neocon shot callers. They aren’t that stupid. Or are they? So I ask myself who is benefiting from war, and who also has the power to persuade? Other than the leaders of the 3 country’s involved being somehow together in a scheme to ratchet up the fear factor boosting weapons sales for the MIC, only 1 answer remains fits this question. It’s The International Bankers! China and Russia understand this, and that’s why they have been buying physical gold for the past decade. When the SHF, Xi and Putin won’t have to look for usurious loans to fund the coming war, they have hard cash. The USA is way over $21 Trillions in debt, and short of war there’s no easy way out. By the way, war is the cowards way out.
    Russia and China have purchased their gold on the open market the USA was busy stealing gold from Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and the Ukraine. It wasn’t enough.

    • Agree: Agent76
  126. @Johnny Rico

    Kretino bambino, I hope you heard about the last laugh.

  127. @Quartermaster

    Another migrant from Breitbart I see.

  128. Generally, I agree with your assessment. However, there are 2 glaring errors that need to be dealt with:
    1) there is a constant reference to the AngloZionist Empire in your pieces. This is a misnomer. The “British” Empire was not the product of the “Anglos”, it was a product of the bankers re-admitted to Britain by Cromwell, and who seized control in 1692 with the Bank of England.

    2) forgetting that this belief did Germany no good against Russia. This pre-supposes that Germany wanted to do violence against the USSR in the first place. When you invade, you invade to win, not to lose. There is more than enough evidence that Operation Barbarossa was done out of necessity. Victor Suvarov confirmed the German version almost 30 years ago, and more recently Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof has confirmed it. Goebbels himself referred to working with a real nationalist government in Russia, as opposed to the internationalist one in place at the time. NS Germany was forced to re-arm, as they were tho only ones to have met the commitment of dis-arming according to the Treaty of Versailles. They would have preferred spending the cost of re-arming on housing.

  129. Cleburne says:

    Not sure I buy this. Trump makes a lot of noise about Russia and does nothing. There are reports of a lot of coordination back channel between the US and Russia. Are we really to believe that Trump, who ran on a peace with Russia platform, now wants to rumble? As for the odious Bolton: trump is keeping his enemies close.

    Speaking as a Southerner, Russophile and member of the Orthodox Church, I regard Russia as a friend and ally. I have yet to meet anyone in Texas or the South that regards Russia as an enemy. You overestimate the neocon grip on Trump.

  130. @Yee

    you should pick your opponent’s weak point not their strong point

    Guess that’s a little something they don’t really bother to teach at West Point anymore.

  131. S says:

    If one goes along with the idea that since 1776 and 1789 (and their respective Capitalist and Communist revolutions) that the world has been experiencing a likely contrived, manufactured, and faux Hegelian Dialectic (ie thesis, anti-thesis, synthesis, aka problem, reaction, solution) at work, it only stands to reason that on the way towards this synthesis/solution that the relatively pure US Capitalism and Soviet Communism would both experience a ‘fall’, neither ideology ever having been intended to be permanant fixtures, clearing the way for a global synthesis of the two.

    The Soviet Union and its Eastern bloc have already experienced this ‘fall of Communism’ which many believe to have been a very much top down affair almost thirty years ago accompanied with much subsequent looting of the former Soviets.

    Russia and its people have thus experienced the ravages of both Communism and Capitalism as have the Chinese for that matter.

    While the United States and United Kingdom within the special relationship have not yet experienced the ‘Fall of Capitalism’ that certainly seems to be very much in the works and already slowly taking place as we speak. As with the former Soviets and their fallen Communism the fall of Capitalism too will likely be a very much top down affair and also accompanied with much looting of its decrepid corpse of which we’ve already heard many reports the past several years.

    The US/UK bloc despite having had some major doses of ‘cultural Marxism’ has unlike the Russians and Chinese not experienced full blown Communism. My guess is something like that will very possibly be allowed to occur (at least for a time, ‘to save the Republic from Fascists!TM) in the form of a Red October II type of event in the United States, complete with the establishment of Soviet style republics instead of states, ie Soviet Republics of Washington and Oregon etc.

    There would very likely be the standard mass executions that the Reds from Paris, to Hue, to Moscow and Katyn, have become quite well known for. Such a temporary Red revolution would hasten the fall of Capitalism in the Anglosphere countries.

    The world war being pushed for should it come about, likely to go at least in part nucleur early on, would probably have an aim of wiping out what Anglo-Saxon/Euro identity remains in the Anglo-sphere countries; the same with Russia and its organic Russian identity, and the same aim for China and the other peoples of the world and their organic identities as well.

    A global thermo-nucleur, biological, and chemical war mixed with regional famine would go a long way towards reaching that much talked about ‘sustainable’ five hundred million world population figure.

    After such a war the fall of both Capitalism and Communism with their respective artificial hyper-individualism and collectivism would thus be complete and the people of the world left alive would be thoroughly traumitized and confused in much the same way a person struck over the head with a two by four is.

    They would largely be ready now for the synthesis/solution (also artificial like its two components) of this contrived Hegelian Dialectic which has been in place since 1776 and 1789. My guess is they’ll produce a leader figure for people to follow whom they will proclaim as being all things to all people, but won’t be in reality, that claim being lies like the rest of it.

    The United States of the World/World Union in theory would be a democratic republic. My guess is in reality, sans the Aryan/German emphasis, swastikas, and ubiquitous military uniforms, though perhaps retaining the periodic mass rallies where the general public communes in person with the ‘leader’/messiah figure world ‘president’, and too, retaining much larger concentration camps for the ‘re-education’ of recalcitrant dissidents, that the synthesis of Capitalism and Communism would (somewhat ironically) parallel closely in many ways 20th century German National Socialism in its organization (though to be sure, at least initially, I doubt they’d call it National Socialism).

    Rather than the German being the racial center of attention though it will be the mixed race person, the New Man and Woman they are ever so desperately attempting to breed into existance to repopulate the earth with.

    A new man and woman which will have the characteristics, as the proto-multiculturalists at the London Times once gently put it in an 1851 editorial, of being ‘more mixed’, ‘more docile’, and ‘which can submit to a master’.

    ‘The defection of Marseilles soon produced that of Lyons. This important city became the central point of the counter revolution in the South…’

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/revolution_and_counter_revolution

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Cyrano
  132. @JLK

    I think it is more than that.

    Russia has the largest territory of any country and they contain enormous resources just ripe for the looting.

  133. Cleburne says:
    @TheJester

    Oil guy here. Great assessment. And while I don’t agree with parts of it, the fact remains that at present the market and industry are grappling with 1. How much crude/gas recoverable and 2. At what cost? I’m a little more bullish, I’ll admit, especially on nat gas supply, but the commodity permanently between 2.50 and 3.50 per mcf in perpetuity makes it tough for operators. At present, most operators are below cash flow break even, and in the mighty Permian (where the differentials have been tough) capex was boosted faster that volume growth. Some of that may be due to the takeaway constraints that has had midland barrels pricing $20 below WTI. At any rate, the point is: there is a lot about shale we have to undersns before it could be considered a weapon. Probably more recoverable in deep water Gulf anyway.

    The oilfield story is that when Russia cuts production to support OPEC or whatever, Putin calls the oil ministry. “What’s our natural decline rate next year?” “5%.” And so he offers to cut production by that amount. I think he’s done a great job with a tough hand.

  134. @TheJester

    Wait. You are quoting articles from three years and five years ago, and yet fracking is still around?

    No doubt you will warn us about peak fracking next.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  135. @42degreesS

    who would be mad enough to start a war with that assured end?

    That would be deranged, psychotic, pig-ignorant, Russia-hating, anti-White, Zionist neo-con American Jews. Douglas Feith, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz.. etc, etc. The loveliness goes on and on.

    • Replies: @Druid
  136. Corvinus says:
    @S

    You have WAY too much time on your hands. Cool story, bro. You should make it into a movie.

    • Replies: @S
  137. Cyrano says:
    @S

    I am afraid you are overly optimistic. If capitalism fails in the west, it’s not likely that it will fail into communism, or a mixture of both. That’s not the Americans. No siree, Bob.

    Americans are nostalgic people. When they freshly immigrated to the new continent, capitalism was just breaking out in Europe. The newly arrived Americans out of nostalgia tried to bring back feudalism, and when that failed, they brought back the one preceding feudalism. This is not my idea, I actually read it somewhere, and it seems right.

    For more recent example, look at Trump’s main slogan – make America great again. Turning to the past again, when supposedly America was great. Definitely not a forward looking nation. If capitalism fails in US – especially if it does so because of nuclear war – who knows, this time – out of nostalgia – they might try to bring back the hunter-gatherer society.

    • Replies: @S
  138. Sean says:
    @Anon

    So why did Nato and the Wasaw Pact have all those tanks?

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  139. Sean says:
    @bluedog

    America has permanent interests.

    • Replies: @bluedog
  140. Kiza says:
    @peterAUS

    YHey Peter I do not disagree with your “improvement” of my quick comment (I am a bit busy now and my comments are not their usual self). I particularly like the nice summary:

    If the Russians do not retaliate, the level of confrontation will keep rising. Sooner or later Kremlin will have to act or the current team there could face internal dissent or worse.

    In other words, Putin is too smug and will either act or get caught up in his own game.

    Naturally, the cooking of Donald Duck would have to be delivered as an accident just to annoy the hell out of the Western shits by packaging the counterattack into plausible deniability. For example, it was the Syrians who cooked the Duck whilst trying to shoot down the attacking missiles. Sorry. What are you going to do about the accident, change the “regime” in Syria maybe?

    It would be also pleasant to watch the screaming Western media prostitutes deny that it was an accident whilst they jump like lapdogs to any Israeli-Western such claim.

    Let us see if Putin is all fart and no shit, as the Asians politely put it. I am getting a bit tired of his endless warnings to his Western partners.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  141. @Degenerate Scumbag

    Putin sunned it up in 5 words a couple of years ago:

    “America is not agreement capable”.

  142. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    Try going to confession and church.

  143. peterAUS says:
    @Kiza

    Putin is too smug and will either act or get caught up in his own game.

    Well….it’s not that simple.
    First, let’s put some parameters here: I am not pro-Empire and I am not anti-Russian. Not that 90 % of people here can get that, of course.
    Simply a guy caught between two sides and, because I must choose one, I’ve chosen Western side. Makes sense I guess; I do live here.
    So…hehe….I don’t have problem at all with hard core Stalinists here, living in Russia. What is amusing is all these pro-Russians living in West. But I digress.

    Although I disagree with Putin re Russian interests it’s not that clear cut and simple. He is a LEADER of a weaker party. That’s huge responsibility.
    On top of that his mistakes could affect all the planet. Now…THAT is responsibility. I mean….hahaha….once upon a time I had responsibility for lives of a couple of hundreds of men (or so I say). After being on this place for some time I have a rather strong impression that most of people here haven’t got such responsibility for anything more than their home pets.
    No “sorry” after mistake there. No “moving on” and “let’s reassess next week”. Doesn’t work with families of dead.
    And in this case it’s PLANET.

    Such responsibility does tend to make a man not wanting to risk, wanting to delay and that’s exactly what Kremlin team has been doing. So, it’s understandable.

    Let’s try to be honest: I think, had I had the power, I would’ve ordered that missile launch, with INERT warheads, at those destroyers launching on Syria.
    Now…..hehehe……it’s one thing to type it here; pure “armchair general”, a?
    What I would’ve really done in those couple of minutes….well……….another story altogether, maybe. That “what IF”…when you know that IF could bring death of life as we know on this planet.

    But, yes, sooner or later Kremlin will have to pull something. When and how remains to be seen.
    The worst case I am afraid of, if they become cornered with Washington not recognizing it.

    Naturally, the cooking of Donald Duck would have to be delivered as an accident just to annoy the hell out of the Western shits by packaging the counterattack into plausible deniability.

    Disagree.
    I believe the best course of action would be as above: multiple anti-ship missile launch with inert warheads from known Russian platforms. Penetrate defense and inflict manageable damage and minimal casualties. A good balance of resolve and restraint.

    For example, it was the Syrians who cooked the Duck whilst trying to shoot down the attacking missiles. Sorry. What are you going to do about the accident, change the “regime” in Syria maybe?

    Disagree.
    “Bomb the regime into Stone Age”, most likely.

    • Replies: @Erebus
    , @Kiza
  144. @TheJester

    Contrary to what the jokers at Peak Fracking say, US crude oil production is currently at an all-time high and has exceeded production levels even of 1973 by 1M bbl per day:

    https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/crude-oil-production

    Select the MAX button on the first graph.

    See here for the ravings of the Peak Fracking jokers:

    https://peakoil.com/production/peak-fracking

    Conventional oil peaked in the USA in 1970 and conventional natural gas peaked in 1973. Fracking has not raised domestic oil production above this level, although the conventional natural gas peak has been surpassed, temporarily.

    Clearly, they lie a lot!

  145. @Sean

    How else are the tank manufactures to raise the money for bribing the politicians?

    • Replies: @Sean
  146. I think maybe Putin telling trump directly what all this might lead to and that in any case use of nukes against Russia will lead to USA becoming nuclear grave and any conventional attack on Russian territory will lead to conventional attack on USA proper. I believe in current situation time of diplomatic talk is over.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  147. ross34 says:

    The US establishment & the whole left class is made up of trans globilists. If most of their nation is destroyed from their point of view who gives a fuck they`ll just move elsewhere & profit from it somehow.

    Its what makes them & the situation dangerous, like the internet they have no single point of home. They have no loyalty to any particular nation & even hate the concept of national identity, with a Marxist ideal to destroy & re-build to suit their own interests.

  148. bluedog says:
    @Sean

    Name them please for I see none as we treat foe and friend the same way or as the man said”the only thing worse than being an enemy of the U.S. is to be its friend for it will turn on you in a heartbeat as many nations have found who thought the U.S. was its friend…

    • Replies: @Sean
  149. @Realist

    The Realist is a great American Patriot.

  150. @Quartermaster

    After all, it was America that sent a man to the moon.

  151. @Degenerate Scumbag

    Yes, that was quite telling. The most telling thing was that ALL MSM did this flip-flop simultaneously. This kind of unanimity in the MSM existed only in Stalin’s Russia and Hitler’s Germany. That told me everything I need to know about American and European MSM.

    But that’s one of many examples telling the same thing. Remember hue and cry in the media about South Sudan or Darfur? The situation in either place did not change, but these regions are never in the news any more. Why? Because Sudan’s dictator is supporting the unholy alliance of Gulf satrapies (who are “our sons of bitches” against Yemen. Remember how many hospitals Syrians and Russians allegedly bombed in Aleppo? There aren’t that many in the whole ME, Israel included. Remember “little girl Bana” whose Internet connection worked better in the besieged Aleppo than it works for us mere mortals anywhere on Earth? Remember how she wrote exclusively in English? When she (with her terrorist father) moved to Turkey, it turned out that she does not know a word of English. But MSM don’t mention her any more not because that obvious fraud was exposed (they have no shame), but because she met Erdogan, who globalist elites do not like. I can list many more examples of blatant lies unanimously broadcast by Western “free” media clearly coordinated by the same Politburo, but I am sure you know them.

    • Replies: @Degenerate Scumbag
  152. @Colin Wright

    The funniest thing is that everyone from “Assad must go” crowd (except Merkel, holding to power by the skin of her teeth) is already gone, while Assad is there to stay. What’s more Merkel and Macron recently decided to abandon the losers and join the winners: both went to Istanbul to discuss Syria with Putin and Erdogan, without the US.

  153. @Seraphim

    It has been said that the only lesson of history is that people never learn any lessons. Sad, but true.

  154. @Anon

    Insects and some rodents would be big winners. They won’t have brains enough to thank the dying empire for the Earth they would inherit.

  155. @Charles Carroll

    I suspect even the Deep State isn’t that crazy. They push their scary narrative because they want even greater Pentagon budgets, so that they can steal more. But I think they know that to enjoy their loot they need to stay alive.

  156. @jilles dykstra

    Great writer. Not just On The Beach. Hugely under rated. He was too, decent, working class for his own good.

  157. @John Grissom

    You would rather they took out New York, Chicago and Washington?

  158. S says:
    @Corvinus

    Didn’t much care for what I had to say, eh?

    I suppose I see it as just too pat that it ‘just spontaneously happened’ that since 1776 and 1789 something called Capitalism and Communism would arise leading to not just the world, but Europe itself, being split literally right down the middle in something known as the ‘Cold War’.

    So pat, that the standard story told to people about its evolution enters into the realm of being unbelievable when one starts to examine it.

    Doing the smallest bit of digging one finds that Founding Fathers of the Capitalist US (you know, the place that had from 1775-1777 the Grand Union flag flying over its revolution, a flag which is identical to the multi-national corporation British East India Company flag) such as Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, and apparently Ben Franklin as well (amongst likely others) were also Founding Fathers of and heavily involved with the 1789 Communistic French Revolution as well.

    This is the same French Revolution which had its ‘counter-revolutionaries’, ‘whites’, and Paris ‘Commune’, and mass executions of the Great Terror, from which the Soviet Union and it’s Communism ultimately evolved from.

    This is the same US ‘sister republic’ France which today has a city square and metro station in its capital city Paris named ‘Stalingrad’ in honor of its Soviet Communist defenders.

    If US Capitalists were heavily involved with Communism’s initial construction in late 18th century France it shouldn’t be surprising that in WWII the US would save Communism from ultimate destruction through massive war time re-supply operations to the Soviet Union, something acknowledged by Stalin to Krutschev.

    It shouldn’t be seen as too surprising either that US interventions from the Russian Civil War, Korea, to Vietnam were (relatively speaking) limited as compared to its so often seen total war ‘unconditional surrender’ stance.

    But then, in a faux dialectic, a senior Capitalism and junior Communism never were intended to ‘defeat’ the other, but rather to converge/synthesize just as we are seeing. Fifty plus thousand US dead and a million or so dead Vietnamese and their respective survivors from the Vietnam War might not appreciate that being the case, but it appears to be so.

    Just as the Democrats have now got their ‘walk away movement’ in the US there needs to be a global walk away movement from this contrived hatred driven left/right, Capitalist/Communist, conservative/liberal, dialectic that’s been in place since 1776 and 1789.

    Leaving it doesn’t ipso facto make one a ‘Hater!’TM, a ‘Fascist!’TM, or, a ‘Nazi!’TM, etc. I’m plenty happy with a republic myself provided its not into ‘empire’, actually represents the interest of it’s constituents, allows for freedom of association, and doesn’t have wage slavery (ie chattel slavery and its trade monetized via so called ‘cheap labor’/mass immigration) as its economic and political basis as the Anglosphere countries (and now others as well) unfortunately do.

    In that regard I suppose I see the little Swiss historically with their cantons as rather being the mighty Swiss.

    Anyhow, you’re welcome to your opinion

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Place_de_la_Bataille-de-Stalingrad

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalingrad_(Paris_Métro)

  159. Russians have a lot of zemlianky. (hint)

  160. renfro says:

    Russia can start with these guys first….lol

  161. S says:
    @Cyrano

    For more recent example, look at Trump’s main slogan – make America great again. Turning to the past again, when supposedly America was great. Definitely not a forward looking nation. If capitalism fails in US – especially if it does so because of nuclear war – who knows, this time – out of nostalgia – they might try to bring back the hunter-gatherer society.

    LOL! :-) We’ll trust things don’t devolve that far.

  162. @Peripatetic commenter

    The depletion rates for fracking was a known issue but because it’s a new(ish) process the technology followed a fast learning curve that extended peak production years in the short term at the cost of ultimate well life.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
  163. @Bill Jones

    Except that the second article says:

    According to Energy Information Administration projections in April, the country’s daily oil production could reach a pinnacle at nearly 8 million barrels in 2020 and dip to about 6 million barrels by 2040.

    However, as this site points out:

    https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/crude-oil-production

    production has already reached 11M bbl per day.

    Like Nate Silver, seems they are always wrong.

  164. @Realist

    ‘…Hopefully you get the point.’

    I certainly would encourage Israel to persist in her behavior. In fact, I’d urge her to kill more Russians.

  165. S says:

    Hmmm…About two years ago to the day there was a second battle of Stalingrad, this one in Paris, France.

    This go around Stalingrad looks to have been lost.

    The ‘cure’ offered up in the convergance of Capitalism and Communism to form Multi-Culturalism is worse than ‘the disease’ this two hundred plus year old faux dialectic is supposed to rectify.

    There’s got to be something better!

    ‘French people have been kind to them.’

    Express (Nov 2, 2016) – WAR ON THE STREETS OF PARIS

    The area around Stalingrad Metro station was turned into a refugee battleground as rival gangs of migrants set upon each other in shocking scenes of violence.

    Asylum seekers wearing hooded tops wielded makeshift clubs fashioned from lengths of wood which they used to bludgeon each other as horrified pedestrians looked on…

    ..He said: “The stench of urine, faeces, and rubbish has made Stalingrad an insalubrious place to live. The place is dead – no-one wants to come here anymore. People are afraid to go out and lock themselves in.

    “I’m making less than €60 (£53) a day. A few more weeks like this and I’ll go bust!

    French people have been kind to them. I know they’re desperate, but the least they can do is respect the law and try and integrate into French society.”

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/727862/Migrant-crisis-club-wielding-refugees-running-battles-Stalingrad-Metro-Paris

  166. SherEHind says:

    When was the last war won by USA?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  167. Druid says:
    @Quartermaster

    Who is running at the mouth, idiot!

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  168. Erebus says:
    @peterAUS

    …I would’ve ordered that missile launch, with INERT warheads, at those destroyers launching on Syria.

    Peter, our views seem to be converging at an alarming pace. If this keeps up, we’ll soon be agreeing on the time of day. :-)

    See: http://www.unz.com/proberts/i-agree-with-the-saker-as-far-as-he-goes/#comment-2506175

    Anyway, Kalibrs/Zircons/___?s making big holes in launch platforms, even incapacitating them, with a minimal loss of life would have sent a couple of powerful messages.
    The 1st msg says that the USN now projects power at the pleasure of those who possess modern anti-shipping missiles. It would go ’round the world to all military HQs, war colleges, and strategic braintrusts and change the strategic landscape in complex ways.
    The 2nd message, that the Russians pulled their punch, pulls the rug of legitimacy out from under any retaliatory attack by the US and would go to the world’s political centres.

    At the end of the day, the Russians would have laid an ultimatum on the table saying “Go big, or go home”. The US isn’t used to getting ultimatums, so I’m not sure I like the odds that the USM would opt to “Go home”, but it would bring matters to a head and put paid to the cat ‘n mouse game that’s going there in any case.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  169. Shadow says:
    @Quartermaster

    So, let us go to war and find out.
    Let us go all hand in hand and meet our creator.
    No more life worries, un-employment worries, etc etc ….

  170. Dear Saker, you realize nobody outside of Russia believes you? Russia didn’t defeat Germany. Hitler defeated Germany. In Russia there are two kinds of people. Those who wear the boots and those who lick the boots. Soon there will be only one type of people in Russia. Everyone will be licking NATO’s boots. But you Saker will still have a job. You will survive. So don’t worry.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @AnonFromTN
  171. lols. this war has been cooking up for over 6 years now. If Russia isn’t prepared, some other countries like China and South Korea will definitely eat them up. Everyone should be prepared. Just that a third world war would be very deadly. Countries are creating nuclear weapons which can wipe put a whole country in a few days. its gonna be very painful.

  172. @Cyrano

    Due to the Allied blockade, I doubt they could import any cocaine from South America.

  173. Druid says:
    @Dave Bowman

    Agree, the Ziocons don’t ca re a s long as Israel’s wants are delivered!

  174. Miro23 says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    I think maybe Putin telling trump directly what all this might lead to and that in any case use of nukes against Russia will lead to USA becoming nuclear grave and any conventional attack on Russian territory will lead to conventional attack on USA proper. I believe in current situation time of diplomatic talk is over.

    The problem with this is that Trump is a “Facade Goy” who listens exclusively to Netanyahu and US Jewish activists rather than Russia, and they have made it clear that Russia is the enemy that they want destroyed.

    In these circumstances Putin can say anything he wants and it’s not going to make any difference (he tried in his March 1st speech – “Listen to Us Now”). He’s faced by a group of radical Jewish maniacs (not the American public), who can apparently only be taken out by a US Anglo Revolution or WW3.

    Putin could however accidentally drop a RS-28 Sarmat (“Satan”) ICBM on Israel, with multiple warheads and 400x the explosive power of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs.

    That would get the US Zionists paying attention.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Allan
  175. peterAUS says:
    @Erebus

    Peter, our views seem to be converging at an alarming pace. If this keeps up, we’ll soon be agreeing on the time of day.

    Ah, well, doubt it. At the end of the day we have different allegiances. Mine is Oceania and yours, I feel, Eurasia. Location, location….

    See: http://www.unz.com/proberts/i-agree-with-the-saker-as-far-as-he-goes/#comment-2506175
    Anyway, Kalibrs/Zircons/___?s making big holes in launch platforms, even incapacitating them, with a minimal loss of life would have sent a couple of powerful messages.

    Agree.

    The 1st msg says that the USN now projects power at the pleasure of those who possess modern anti-shipping missiles. It would go ’round the world to all military HQs, war colleges, and strategic braintrusts and change the strategic landscape in complex ways.
    The 2nd message, that the Russians pulled their punch, pulls the rug of legitimacy out from under any retaliatory attack by the US and would go to the world’s political centres.

    Well..not quite. It’s one thing when it’s done by another nuclear superpower, quite another if by some lesser player. Russia could do it, actually should’ve done it. Iran, for example…NO.

    At the end of the day, the Russians would have laid an ultimatum on the table saying “Go big, or go home”.

    Agree.

    The US isn’t used to getting ultimatums, so I’m not sure I like the odds that the USM would opt to “Go home”, but it would bring matters to a head and put paid to the cat ‘n mouse game that’s going there in any case.

    And therein lies The Problem.

    For obvious reasons I like Kremlin restraint.
    What bothers me are decision makers, or better, decision making process in West. Kremlin restraint is likely to make those people even more…..detached from reality… then they are now.

    The only thing that bothers me is they won’t see Kremlin red line and will cross it without second thought. And, even probably more important, I have a feeling they’ll make a mistake when faced with that type of responsibility.

    Our fault entirely. People in West. Actually, middle class educated people in West.

    We got our part of the world in a state where our leadership is….well…what it is. Just look at them.
    Our fault.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  176. Kiza says:
    @peterAUS

    This idea of sending anti-ship missiles without their explosive payload has been circulating on the Internet for a while now. It is a rather dumb idea for at least two reasons:
    1) A missile which drills a whole in a ship based on its momentum is going to kill somebody on that ship; whether the missile kills one or twenty it will be taken by the receiving side as an act of war (its attacks on other countries are only well-intended kinetic actions).
    2) The COLT (Coalition of the Sponsors of Terrorism) aka The Friends of Syria does suffer one or two casualties on rare occasions but this does not change its behaviour one iota.
    Therefore, to send a real message “STOP” one needs to inflict serious damage and then boast as they do about killing 300 Russian Cossacks in Syria (BS of course, it was about ten times fewer).

    I find your criticism of the “pro-Russians living the the West” extremely duplicitous. Little me, for example, also supports the Chinese against US, so does that make me pro-Chinese as well. Hardly, because I support causes, not nations. It is US which is parasitising and terrorising the rest of this World together with its characterless allies such as the one you and I live in. I am not anti-US by any stretch of imagination, I am against what US is doing. It is very sad that people like you take sides by nation names, not by nation behaviour.

    As to your “Putin’s responsibility for the World” now that is total bull. Because this discussion started with me stating that Putin is endangering the whole World by not resisting when the people he sent into Syria get killed, which signals weakness not smart restraint. A few people agreed with this view, starting from its originator PCR. You never stated that you disagreed with this view, but then started selling yourself as Mother Theresa here at UNZ.

    It is still possible that PCR and little I are wrong and that Putin is still the smart restrained one, by sitting on a river bank and waiting for the body of US and its master Israel to float past after a huge financial crash. I have stated this possibility before quite clearly. But, there is 5:1 that there will be many more dead Russians (via “accidents”) and then a nuclear holocaust when Putin gets kicked out by the Russian military or even his old KGB/FSB. Unless US does its planned regime change in Russia, whoever comes after Putin is likely to retaliate just to show the absence of Putin’s (olygarchic) weakness.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    , @peterAUS
  177. anonymous[628] • Disclaimer says:
    @Quartermaster

    There has been more than one dictator that thought the US was a bunch of cowards. They paid the price for it too.

    LOL! The evil Americans are indeed despicable cowards.

    Their “bravery” is purely based on military might. They are able to completely “soften” their targets though air and naval superiority, before they will even consider sending in their well armed and protected troops to mop up.

    Just consider a situation where your evil minions of empire are similarly equipped as the brave souls who fight back. The carnage would have your cowardly scum pissing and shitting and fleeing the battle fields.

    It is for this exact reason, I do not believe that the satanic AngloZionist empire will ever wage war against Russia and China. They will simply look for other weak nations to perpetuate their evil.

    All Cowards, the likes of you!!

  178. Gilles says:
    @awry

    Maybe it is Russia who should learn to become a normal country instead of an empire?

    Lol, the Russian Federation has fewer than ten military bases outside of its borders.

    The US has 800+ in over 100 nations.

    Yes, the Russian Federation is certainly a formidable empire compared to he US!

    Gilles

  179. Virgile says:

    The USA has shown in the last decades that it has opted for stupid military force over diplomacy
    So obsessed by it’s own military and economical power, it has forgotten that this is what leads to violence. The 9/11 was a warning but the usa took it as a confirmation that it needed to be even more military aggressive to protect itself .

    Unfortunately the usa is not a fortress and is exposed to retribution from the violencet that they are inflicting to weaker
    countries. It is a matter of time before the usa gets another reminder of the fallacy of it’s military power
    On the other hand Russia has chosen intelligent diplomacy to expand it’s influence and it seems it is successful. That is disturbing Western countries protected by the usa. They now wonder if an alliance with Russia could allow Europe to get rid of the usa diktat. Agents of the usa like the UK are trying to undermine Europe connection with Russia. Once the UK is out, I expect a gradual shift toward Russia despite the usa economic blackmail. The firm position of some non European countries on the Iran deal is showing Europe that it should try to get out of the usa spider web. Russia is offering an an increasingly attractive alternative.

  180. anonymous[628] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    I wish the experts presaging doom to the environment due to fracking are on firmer intellectual grounds, as compared to the others you quote.

    A pox has long been overdue on the Evil Empire. Manifestations of this is vaguely evident, but surely much to go before more clarity is visible.

    If hopefully fracking does the promised screw up to the environment as mentioned by experts, then it will prove to be one more much deserved dagger in the heart of the Evil Empire.

    God willing.

    • Replies: @Sean
  181. Sean says:
    @bluedog

    America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests

    Kissinger said that.

  182. Sean says:
    @anonymous

    It is easy borrowing on low interest rates that fuels fracking.

  183. Sean says:
    @Bill Jones

    Soviet factories bribed the Soviet leadership did they? Look, Soviets had far too many tanks for defence, by the 80s an almost 10:1 advantage in tube artillery, along with GRU Spetznaz well forward. Whether or not they were actually toying with the idea of a conventional attack, they had the potential for a standing start offensive out of the blue. America would not start a nuclear war to save Europe. And the Soviets could not hope to win a conventional WW3. Nothing much has changed since then.

    • Replies: @EugeneGur
    , @Anonymous
  184. Ivan K. says:
    @Jon0815

    “The USSR also had a GDP roughly equal to Italy”

    I just looked at data about the relative GDPs of Italy and USSR. The results:

    (i) USSR GDP shown two to three times larger than Italy’s:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_largest_historical_GDP

    (ii) In 1988, USSR’s GDP per capita twice smaller than Italy’s central and northern part:

    https://timvlandas.com/2016/01/15/evolution-of-gdp-per-capita-in-ussr-versus-over-developed-countries/

    I didn’t see a source that supports what you said above. Not that I have anything against it. I’d like if you could back it with a reliable source.

    • Replies: @Jon0815
  185. @Kiza

    Putin does not want to, neither he needs to, defeat the Globalists. He is putting only little breaks in the machine. The rust will do the rest.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  186. EugeneGur says:
    @Sean

    America would not start a nuclear war to save Europe. And the Soviets could not hope to win a conventional WW3. Nothing much has changed since then.

    Actually, a lot has changed – on both points. American could start a nuclear warm -perhaps, not nuclear from the start but then transition into a nuclear war. It could be intentional or accidental resulting from one of the numerous provocations NATO is organizing these days. At some point, something’s bound to snap. Besides, the US has been toying with the idea of pre-emptive nuclear war for at least a decade. Giving rapid intellectual decay of the US elites, America just might be stupid enough to try.

    As to the conventional war, Russia just might win it. What makes you think it can’t? Bean counting? That’s not what wins wars as the US experience of late has shown.

    • Replies: @bluedog
    , @peterAUS
    , @Sean
  187. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    p.s.
    I know Paul Craig Roberts for more than 14 years (not personaly),
    He sometime gets emotional and frustrated, (I do like him very much though..)

  188. @SherEHind

    The last war won by the US was against Grenada (population ~90 thousand) in 1983.

  189. @Druid

    This person or script is not necessarily an idiot (of whatever gender). It is simply a troll gainfully employed here.

  190. @Stepan Bandera Jr.

    How come Hitler defeated Germany, but Stalin did not defeat the USSR? How come Hitler did not defeat Germany when he occupied Poland, France, many European dwarves, and bombed England, but defeated it when he attacked the USSR? What am I missing?

  191. bluedog says:
    @EugeneGur

    Well in reality the boneheads who make up the Joint Chiefs have played with that one ever since 1960, even tho their own experts stated that it would cause over 70 million deaths, and millions more who would be better off dead and, about half of that number would be in the U.S…Thank God JFK was sitting in the oval office rather than a Trump….

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  192. @Stepan Bandera Jr.

    Both the comment and the moniker show that this is an official (since 2014 Maidan) Ukrainian pipe dream. Ukraine has a history of choosing the losing side with remarkable reproducibility. Mazepa broke his oath to the Russian tsar and joined Sweden – Swedish army was totally destroyed by Peter the Great near Poltava. Western Ukrainians fought for the Austro-Hungarian Empire – it was defeated and dismembered after WWI. Western Ukrainians fought for Hitler in WWII – Germany was smeared over the wall. Ukrainian “leaders” were holier-then-thou supporters of the USSR – where is it now? So, today NATO and the US would be well advised to rebuff Ukrainian overtures, simply for the sake of self-preservation.

  193. Avery says:
    @yurivku

    Very moving traditional Russian patriotic song.

    My understanding of Russian has deteriorated to near-nothing living in US for a very long time, but I still get the bits-and-pieces.

    Another Russian patriotic song about war is below.
    More modern music.

    It is interesting to note the similarity of non-military American (Country-Western, folk) and Russian traditional folk songs. Yet the martial songs are completely different. Russian theme is pretty much always fighting invaders.

    American theme…..well I am not sure.

    [АЛИСА - Небо Славян (AlisA - The sky of Slavs)]

  194. peterAUS says:
    @Kiza

    This idea of sending anti-ship missiles without their explosive payload has been circulating on the Internet for a while now. It is a rather dumb idea..
    ….whether the missile kills one or twenty it will be taken by the receiving side as an act of war..
    The Friends of Syria does suffer one or two casualties on rare occasions but this does not change its behaviour one iota.
    ..Therefore, to send a real message “STOP” one needs to inflict serious damage and then boast…

    I find your criticism of the “pro-Russians living the the West” extremely duplicitous.

    It is very sad that people like you take sides by nation names, not by nation behaviour.

    O.K.

    As for this:

    As to your “Putin’s responsibility for the World” now that is total bull.

    …selling yourself as Mother Theresa here at UNZ….

    Cultural background and related emotional investment tend to affect perceptions. That’s O.K. too.

    Agree with

    …there is 5:1 that there will be many more dead Russians (via “accidents”)..

    The important part IS possibility of:

    ….when Putin gets kicked out …

    And the crux is, really:

    Unless US does its planned regime change in Russia, whoever comes after Putin is likely to retaliate just to show the absence of Putin’s (olygarchic) weakness.

    That’s definitely one option. Another is a regime quite amenable to US/West/whatever demands and requests.

    Maybe an attempt to unseat Putin will expose those people and they get crushed, leaving the opening for “proper” vassal team in Kremlin.

    Big game, big players…..risk…reward.

    • Replies: @Kiza
    , @The Scalpel
  195. peterAUS says:
    @EugeneGur

    …accidental resulting from one of the numerous provocations NATO is organizing these days. At some point, something’s bound to snap.

    …Giving rapid intellectual decay of the US elites..

    Yup.

  196. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    <<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>

    It could not even start one to ‘save’ Europe because nothing would be left of at least
    Germany. In a war with Russia started by the US, Europe would be the battle ground.
    Why do you Americans think that you are ‘defending’ Germany?

    • Replies: @Sean
  197. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:

    This will be smirked at and nobody will believe it. I only post it as a public service and because I feel it is my duty.

    You may have heard of people who have predicted the future. Some are fakes, some are not.

    Here is what has been predicted concerning the above situation:

    Some of the predictions go back a few hundred years.

    In a nutshell, there will be three World Wars. One will always be worse than the other.
    The last one after prolonged peace, that really was not peace.
    There is war in a ‘sandy’ place.

    Suddenly and unexpected, Russia invades/attacks the West.
    The cities with the skyscrapers are all destroyed.
    Something is thrown from a plane into the North Sea and creates a tsunami that washes London and the Lowlands away.

  198. @AnonFromTN

    The most telling thing was that ALL MSM did this flip-flop simultaneously.

    Simultaneously, and in concert with a chorus of condemnation from Western governments. Here in the UK, (((Davis Milliband))) led the charge. (It was much more recently that I finally made the connection that leads me to put echos around his name – I didn’t want to believe it.) Clearly this was not a planned event – Saakashvili was a golem that went rogue, and it took the NWO propaganda machine a few hours to figure out how to spin it. It also gifted us with this golden moment of a little girl going off script:

    This is like an early glimpse of how the NWO propaganda machine will ultimately be defeated. The growth of citizen journalism via the internet is empowering people to tell their true stories without having to slip past gatekeepers like this girl did. That’s why they’re desperately trying to shut down free speech on the internet right now.

  199. awry says:
    @Jon0815

    The Saudis are kinda morons with shiny toys, no Arab nation can have an effective armed force because cultural reasons, maybe read this:

    https://www.meforum.org/articles/other/why-arabs-lose-wars

    Of course many of these Arab characterictics are present in Russia and Eastern European nations too, also in China and probably in most non-Western armies, where cronyism and corruption is rampant.
    At the other hand Arabs and other tribalistic muslims (Afghans, Berbers, Chechens, Kurds etc.) usually make great guerilla fighters.

    So you are right, competence and morale must be pretty low in the SA armed forces. Not in the US armed forces though, which is relatively high morale and competent. They are hindered by the fact that the US public expect almost zero losses in any of today’s conflicts, so they won’t put their soldiers in harms way if not backed up by total superiority, to avoid losses as much as they can.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @anon
  200. Anon[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yee

    If US dare not go on war with NK & Iran, how will she dare to attack nuke armed Russia directly? So its actual strategy is to isolate & wear down Russia economically with sanction & military threat, Syria war, Ukraine. It may launch bioweapons stealthily, killed more Russia diplomats globally & soldiers in Syria war, since Russia will never retaliate.

    Whereas China is a different game. If US can’t subdue NK, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, Myanmar, etc. with all kinds of trade sanction, embargo, esponage, propaganda war, military threat… how is it possible to subdue world No2 economy & nuke armed China?

    Trade war & SCS is only first open salvo & smoke screen. Underneath there are multi vicious. attacks including using Uyghur & ISIS terrorists & regime change as many countries to fight its proxy war with China without risking full scale nuclear. India Modi the fool is one that US hope to utilize for most destructive proxy war.

    US has long bipartisan plan to attack China in multiple fronts* since Clinton/Bush era. Obama tried to escalate in SCS but backoff after Prez Xi showed determination to confront. Trumps is only following same path, except more gross & brinkmanship.

    *Here are some obvious:

    Trade war, currency/ financial/stock attack, technology sanction & sabotage, global trade isolation with EU & Jp, …not so successful.

    Japan Diayu Island, SK Thaad, NK nuclear crisis, India border tension & war. Very successful.

    SCS, Taiwan, HK, Tibet, Uyghur terrorism, msm propaganda to demonize China. Very successful.

    Sabotage all China overseas investment & BRI, by regime change to anti-China gov, using its ISIS to kill Chinese expatriates, cause instability/wars along BRI nodes, etc. Very successful.

    Regime change all China neighbors, allies & trade partners with Anti-China gov (Vietnam, Philippine, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Nepal, Sri Lanka, PAK, Myanmar, Mongolia, Africa, Indonesia, UK, Canada, Australia, Nz…with Msia & Brazil most recently). Chinese majority Spore gov is now been fast replaced by India Indians. These US installed junta have all cancelled China mega projects, slowed trading, escalate military/border tension. Very successful but soon many found out US has no money to invest, so they go back to China.

    Another weapon is to destabilize China internally with its carefully nurtured 100+M brainwashed Christian projected to reach 700M in 10-15yrs, & 5th column brainwashed by West msm. Next is to watch out for instigated violent purging of overseas Chinese ethnics (Indonesia already under planning long time). Very successful.

    Bioweapons are routinely launched, SARs, Birdflu, Swine flu,.. targeted only Chinese (which is why only Chinese ethnic is hit globally). Very successful.

    Monsanto GMO food, seeds & herbicide inroad to destroy China food independency & poisoned its food chain, caused long term widespread cancer. Very successful with corrupted officials help.

    West pharmaceutical giants bribing officials & Drs, brainwashing Chinese to rely & abuse on harmful drugs, antibiotics, opiods & supplements instead of historical proven TCM. Very successful.

    Climate control weapon is still on trial in US. Some reported Iran has already been deprived of rain cloud to cause drought to destroy its agriculture.

    There are no evils FUKUS will not do. But China will survive under Prez Xi strong leadership.

  201. Kiza says:
    @peterAUS

    Cultural background and related emotional investment tend to affect perceptions.

    I am glad that you understood my hint, that my choice of Mother Theresa for your personal model was not by chance, that your statement above applies to both of us. It appears that you hooked one uninformed Russian on it.

  202. Anon[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Matthiew

    Russia also does not threat any strategic and vital interest of the west. Just show me one example.

    Refuse to be fully submissive, not give up its full sovereignty & domestic energy control to West, obstruct West plan to control all M.E. oil supply (hence energy price & power to blackmail anyone) in Syria war, obstruct Israel Yinon dream to invade Iran, largest Nuke, the only country able to project military force to counter USNato aggression, competitive weapon system & sales, superior Space technology, North shipping lines control, excellent MSM counter propaganda, etc. Enough?

    Russia will not be part of this war and if so, Russia will definitely be on the side of the West. China bashing on some nationalistic Russian media is appalling.

    Why so? After China, next target is Russia. Without China support, Russia has long collapse under West sanction & become its vassal, back to 1990′s.

    Foolish Putin dying to be with the West, is allowing West propaganda to control its msm & social platform to Russia perils. The West will never accept Russia on equal term, only as its gas station.

  203. Sean says:
    @EugeneGur

    Even the relatively powerful Soviet Union, through it might have been able to conquer Western Europe, could not have defeated America, the world’s most powerful economy, in a global conventional WW3. So America would have no reason to use nukes first. Russia has strategic space to retreat into and has no reason to go nuclear against the West, because even if they invaded Russia it could expect to win a conventional war in the end.

    No leader would use nuclear weapons, they all scream they would go out in a blaze of glory, but not one of them would, and it may not be irrelevant to mention that the elite would be the first to go in a nuclear exchange. The history of nuclear weapons shows that the small ones like the nuclear bazooka and even so called medium range weapons have been progressively eliminated so as to make a firewall between conventional war and ANY kind of nuclear weapons use. All countries know that once you go nuclear you go nuclear for good and can count on reciprocal escalation at the very least.

  204. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    You do know that Poland has requested US forces to be stationed on its territory?

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  205. Anon[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    Given the capital injections, US will use new technology to teach Russia the it must choose between being a gas station tributary of China or a respected ally of America.

    Russia has always dream to be America ally, only if its been treated with slightest respect & mercy. That’s all she wanted to be West most obedient maid, but in return they only rape her like whore in 1990′s, and continue to abuse & humiliate her until this moment.

    Still she humbly offered whatever she has hoping for his acceptance, no? Under West humiliation, sanction & existential threat, Russia is still selling heavy rockets, Titanium, aerospace technology, ISS cooperation, energy, whatever its dear USNato partner/colleague desire.

    With China, Russia is well respected as equal, with great deal of economic & security benefits, a world largest market to export, a reliable supply source. And China has never invaded Russia in entire history.

    The choice is clear, be a Western whore or respected Chinese friend.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    , @Sean
    , @EugeneGur
  206. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @peterAUS

    Rather than missiles with inert warheads, it would seem to me that a better warning shot would be to send just one non-nuclear Kinzhal missile against one ship that had attacked first, then, maybe put a few of them on display for a bit.

    This is assuming Russia has some Kinzhal to spare and that they work

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  207. Allan says:
    @Miro23

    That’s an interesting idea about nuking Israel, but why would Russia want to look so obviously like the perp? It would be better, from Russia’s perspective, to enlist Iran, NK, or another power to deliver the blow. Probably our blameless and humble Zionists understand this so well that they are manipulating their USA into wrecking Russia, if they have to, or conquering her if they can get away with it.

    Expect Ziocons to flee the USA, or to relocate to some sparsely populated and militarily unimportant part of the USA, in the event that their conflict with Russia escalates significantly. If the USA survives the encounter without much damage, the rats and termites will return to their homes to resume their antics. If the USA is ruined, the neocons and other Zionists move on and set up shop, say, in Brazil.

    A great reversal of fortunes could come if the Russians and Chinese wisen up to the Zionist long game and develop a poison pill, or doomsday plan, to ensure the complete destruction of the unholy land and its inhabitants if Zionist behavior does not improve radically. On this point, Russia is nearly crippled already by its foolish adoption of a Jew as its god. Chinese leaders, on the other hand, have scant religious motivation to revere toxic Jerusalem and its ignorant little bigots. The Chinese have also the constant irritation of millions of Abrahamic pests within their own borders to motivate them to act against Israel, the USA, and even foolish Russia.

    A little wisdom on China’s part could motivate them also to reach out to Bharat with a simple argument: Look at our common history of having to deal with the Abrahamic pests of all three sects. Century after century they behave as they do now. Furthermore, our own cultures and religions are more like each other’s than either of ours is like the Abrahamists’ and their secular, humanist heretics. Let’s recognize our own best interests in cooperating to destroy the Abrahamic and secular humanist criminals root and branch. There will be plenty of room opened up in Asia for us to share after their removal. You, Bharat, can recover Pakistan and colonize Iran as a buffer, and we will have Siberia. Let’s end our little squabble along our border so that we may survive and flourish together.

  208. Iris says:

    ” Expect Ziocons to flee the USA, or to relocate to some sparsely populated and militarily unimportant part of the USA”

    You are right: the Ziocons are pushing to a nuclear war that will annihilate the USA, but are taking all precautions to protect themselves.

    It is known that Israel, taking opportunity of Argentine’s indebtedness, has appropriated vast swathes of land in Patagonia, one of the rare places on Earth that will resist a nuclear winter. Countless Israeli military missions have been organised there over the past decades.

    https://www.mondialisation.ca/linvasion-israelienne-en-patagonie/5621517

  209. peterAUS says:
    @The Scalpel

    Well….any “package” which would produce a desired effect.
    My preference is multiple missiles with inert warheads. At least one hit on each of those destroyers then and there.

    I am sure that the resident nerds can describe that effort down to warhead PCB layout. Tools and toolbox.

    Doesn’t matter. What matters is a craftsman. And this one is busy playing chess. Or something.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  210. SherEHind says:

    The most powerful Army in history scorecard since WWII.

    Korea War-Got their Ass kicked
    Vietnam-Evacuation of US Embassy picture sums it best.
    Grenada- I believe Hollywood made a movie about that great victory. Over 100 US Soldiers got Congressional Medal of Honor.
    Panama- Victory against a Narco Army
    First Gulf War- Mother of all battles
    Second Gulf War-What can i say
    Afghan War-17 Years no victory in sight

    Won-3 Lost-4 Draw-1

  211. Erebus says:
    @peterAUS

    At the end of the day we have different allegiances. Mine is Oceania and yours, I feel, Eurasia. Location, location….

    And therein lies your misunderstanding of where I’m coming from. Not to worry, you go on to agree to two of my following points. :-)

    What bothers me are decision makers, or better, decision making process in West.

    From a historically wider perspective, it’s plain that both the “decision makers” and the “decision making process(es)” we see today are typical of such when they reach the end of their tenure.
    Yeats put it particularly poignantly: “The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity…”.

    We got our part of the world in a state where our leadership is….well…what it is. Just look at them.
    Our fault.

    To a large extent, it’s just the natural order of things, but the West’s leadership situation is immeasurably exacerbated by having been hijacked by a fanatical sect of tunnel visioned ideologues. “… the worst are full of passionate intensity…” The only light they see is Global Hegemony at the end of their tunnel, and as that light grows dimmer by the day, they’re bouncing themselves off the tunnel walls searching for something / anything to keep that light in focus. They’ve sidelined the other Western power node, the classic Anglo-American Imperialists, who seem to understand the West’s predicament. Namely, that the time to share the table of Great Powers has come ’round at last. Unfortunately, “… the best lack all conviction…” and their voices aren’t heard in the din created by the worst.

    That’s where we find ourselves, and I agree that its an uncomfortable spot. Trump campaigned as the Great White Hope of rational Anglo-American Imperialism. He found himself alone. His so-called base voted, and went home. They’ll vote again today, and again they’ll go home to their TVs and baseball, satisfied that their job is done. Complacency will be their epitaph.

    Parethetically, the West finds itself in the same place the USSR found itself 3 decades ago. The difference is that the highest levels of the Soviet system recognized its unsustainability and made a significant effort to retool. They failed, not without a “helping hand” from the West. The West has made no significant effort at introspection. Quite the opposite. It proclaimed itself Global Hegemon at the “End of History”. The same Soviet think tanks that saw the unsustainability of the Soviet system, saw also that the West wasn’t far behind. The West, alas, did not.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  212. rkka says:
    @Quartermaster

    “Like Saker, you’re simply a raving idiot. Putin has chosen to run his mouth at every opportunity and all it has gotten Russia is more impoverished.”

    Russia has a budget surplus, a current account surplus, and increasing per-capita income.

    “Russia still isn’t much better than a 3rd world country with nuclear weapons, and that is why Putin has been rattling nuke sabers at every turn.”

    You do know that Russia has conventional PGM ALCMs that can strike nearly all of CONUS from the latitude of northern Canada, don’t you?

    “It’s past time the Russian people woke up to see the idiot they keep putting in the Kremlin. His revanchism will only destroy them, and it is close now.”

    When the man now in the Kremlin first took over, Russia was helpless, bankrupt, and dying, unstoppably descending into social catastrophe & strategic irrelevance.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2001/05/russia-is-finished/302220/

    Now Russia is none of those things.

    “So, go ahead and start another invasion of Ukraine. The entire world knows that’s what Putin wants to to do.”

    Oh please. Read the Minsk II accords that Putin handed to Uke president Peety PorkyChocko after clearing out the Debaltsevo pocket. It calls for the Donbass to return to Ukraine. So if that’s your take on Putin’s intentions, you’re an even bigger clueless buffoon than you first appeared.

  213. @AWM

    To me, as a Christian and anti-communist, there’s all the difference in the world between the Soviet Union and Russia. My father always used to tell me that the Russian people were not our enemy but only the Soviet system. Now that Russia has thrown aside the Communist mission and Christianity is reviving, I look to Russia as a potential ally in the struggle against political correctness. Indeed, as I see it. the main force driving US animosity to Russia is resentment at Russia’s new Christian face, since the US and EU have been seized by leftist social revolutionaries and Jewish Russophobes. While the desire of military contractors to maximize conflict cannot be discounted, it is only a secondary factor.

    • Agree: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  214. Erebus says:
    @peterAUS

    At least one hit on each of those destroyers then and there.

    I’d re-write that to maximum one hit, which is eminently possible. Russian missile salvos are networked and “intelligent”. It’s called “Wolf-pack”. The missiles talk to each other and recognize each other’s successes & failures. Targets are prioritized and loaded into all of the missiles in a salvo. They are then launched at a set time interval. If the lead missile hits the primary target, the following missiles in the salvo are informed, and re-orient to look for next level targets. If the lead missile misses, the 2nd one assumes its role. And so on.
    If there were say 3 targeted destroyers, the Russians would send a salvo of 6 missiles. If the first 3 hit their marks in order of priority, the last 3 would know it and commit suicide, or whatever other instructions they were given. Maybe pop some holes in the runway at Akrotiri and create a little drama for returning RAF pilots.

    2 hits from hypersonic dummy missiles are uncomfortably likely to sink the boat, and the Russians would want to avoid that. They’ll probably be scrap anyway, but minimizing the loss of life would be a priority.

    Any sort of scenario like this depends on full faith professional communication at the highest levels immediately after, if not during the event, or all hell is likely to break loose soon after. It means Gerasimov on the phone with Dunford, or maybe a conference call between the respective Joint Chiefs, with the Russians explaining what is going to happen next and why.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  215. @Sean

    No leader would use nuclear weapons, they all scream they would go out in a blaze of glory, but not one of them would, and it may not be irrelevant to mention that the elite would be the first to go in a nuclear exchange.

    Precisely. Alexander being a prominent exception, political leaders are not known for their self-sacrificial tendencies. And Al died in his 30′s.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  216. @Anon

    Russia has always dream to be America ally, only if its been treated with slightest respect & mercy. That’s all she wanted to be West most obedient maid, but in return they only rape her like whore in 1990′s, and continue to abuse & humiliate her until this moment.

    Russia’s corrupt politicians filled and continue to line their pockets with the revenues from Russia’s vast natural resources. And point their fingers at the West, which invested tens of billions in Russia only to be forced to write off those investments when the Russian government decided to revoke the terms that led them to invest that capital.

    Russia’s idea of respect is to be allowed to annex new territory without interference. That’s not going to fly, any more that we are going to go along with Britain re-acquiring the territories that used to fly the Union Jack.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @AnonFromTN
  217. Sean says:
    @Anon

    Whores get paid, it’s a business and they should treat it like one. Russia thinks it is a princess.

  218. yurivku says:

    Boring and sad picture to watch what’s going on here and certainly outside in the real West.
    There are only three categories of westerners represented here:
    - payed trolls like quartermaster etc;
    - brainwashed assholes like peteraus (sorry if I mistaken and you’re from the 1st one);
    - understanding and clever, but too busy to do something except blah-blah here, people;
    So the future is vague. More exactly it’s clear. The war is “highly likely” to happen and once again – we (most of us) are ready, what about you?

    The mantra “They will never do it because …” is a consolation for fools. Better you dig your assylums and gather some food. You’ll have a chance to watch what the stone age is.

  219. @bluedog

    You do realize it was the US’s provocation of basing missiles in Turkey that caused the “Cuban” missile crisis, don’t you?
    JFK was eventually forced to remove them.

  220. Jon0815 says:
    @Ivan K.

    “The USSR also had a GDP roughly equal to Italy”

    I just looked at data about the relative GDPs of Italy and USSR. The results:

    (i) USSR GDP shown two to three times larger than Italy’s:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_largest_historical_GDP

    I didn’t see a source that supports what you said above. Not that I have anything against it. I’d like if you could back it with a reliable source.

    According to current World Bank estimates, in 1989 (earliest available date) Russia alone had a GDP of $506 billion, and all 15 USSR republics combined about $700 billion, while Italy’s GDP was $925 billion.

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD

  221. @Sean

    “Even the relatively powerful Soviet Union, through it might have been able to conquer Western Europe, could not have defeated America, the world’s most powerful economy, in a global conventional WW3.”

    That’s just a bare assertion; pure speculation.

    “So America would have no reason to use nukes first.”

    Seriously? “America” has apparently always been a proponent of preemptive war. A first nuclear strike against Russia, China, Iran, etc., would be entirely within the character of the Satanic ruling class. And they’re probably not putting MK-41 missile launchers in Europe for no reason, right?

    “Russia has strategic space to retreat into and has no reason to go nuclear against the West, because even if they invaded Russia it could expect to win a conventional war in the end.”

    ROTFL! So Russian nukes are just for decoration? If NATO invaded, the Russian military would retreat, hoping “to win a conventional war in the end”?

    I hate to be the bearer of bad news but Putin et al. have already publicly stated – as per official Russian policy – that Russia will use nukes if it feels that the security of the Russian state is threatened, even if the aggressors do not use nukes.

    “No leader would use nuclear weapons…”

    Unfortunately Western rulers are not “leaders”; they’re devil-worshiping, demon-possessed madmen in pursuit of a hopeless agenda of world domination and control at any cost.

    On the other hand, in sovereign countries, where the government actually represents “the people” (a little bit at least), the leaders would no doubt go down fighting, since the alternative would probably be seen as being worse than death.

    “…they all scream they would go out in a blaze of glory…”

    Who does?

    “…but not one of them would, and it may not be irrelevant to mention that the elite would be the first to go in a nuclear exchange.”

    The thing is, they’re “demon-possessed.” That is to say, they don’t act rationally. If they did, the world situation wouldn’t be what it is in the first place. They do what they do because they’re evil.

    • Replies: @Avery
  222. Avery says:
    @Johann Ricke

    {…. the West, which invested tens of billions in Russia….}

    Nice self-delusion, or crude disinformation.

    The vile, rapacious Neocon goons, who had a hand in installing the corrupt drunkard Yelsin in the chaotic aftermath of the breakup of USSR, looted $100s of billions of Russia’s industrial and natural wealth and moved it to the West. Criminal billionaire looters took the stolen billions and ran to London or Tel Aviv. Not only they stole $100s of billions, but they continued their efforts to interfere in Russia’s internal politics from abroad, like the traitor Berezovsky, who choked on his loot and committed suicide. (…..hopefully he was ‘suicided’ either by his MI6 masters or the FSB).

    Another Neocon frontman looter Khodorkovsky continued fomenting a ‘revolution’ in Russia, and was rewarded for his efforts with a nice long vacation in sunny Siberia, then was expelled.

    {Russian government decided to revoke the terms…}

    Russian government decided that it had had enough of Neocon gangsters looting Russia’s natural wealth. Oh, btw, US government revokes agreements and terms of agreements all the time: selective “outrage” much?

  223. JLK says:

    It is Russian doctrine to use tactical nuclear weapons first in certain circumstances. They knew that they would be slaughtered in a conventional encounter when we had smart conventional weapons and they didn’t. It’s a good thing that they seem to have caught up. It makes the situation less dangerous.

  224. Avery says:
    @Harold Smith

    { A first nuclear strike against Russia, China, Iran, etc., would be entirely within the character of the Satanic ruling class.}

    Satanic ruling class indeed:

    [From 1945-49 the US and UK Planned to Bomb Russia into the Stone Age]

    https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/from-1945-49-the-us-and-uk-planned-to-bomb-russia-into-the-stone-age


    “Just weeks after the Second World War was over and Nazi Germany defeated Soviet Russia’s allies, the United States and Great Britain hastened to develop military plans aimed at dismantling the USSR and wiping out its cities with a massive nuclear strike.

    [Did the U.S. Military Plan a Nuclear First Strike for 1963?]

    http://prospect.org/article/did-us-military-plan-nuclear-first-strike-1963

    “Recently declassified information shows that the military presented President Kennedy with a plan for a surprise nuclear attack on the Soviet Union in the early 1960s.”

    • Replies: @awry
  225. EugeneGur says:
    @Sean

    Even the relatively powerful Soviet Union, through it might have been able to conquer Western Europe, could not have defeated America, the world’s most powerful economy, in a global conventional WW3.

    That is debatable: it was unproven then and it is certainly unproven now, considering how things’ve changed. Furthermore, we aren’t talking about “global” war” – the only type of war in the cards today is the war of aggression of the US against Russia. And in that kind of war Russia has every chance of winning against the US; in fact, more accurate statement would be that the US has no chance of winning against Russia, which you yourself concede.

    So America would have no reason to use nukes first.

    First, see the above. Second, this is always assuming rational behavior on the part of America, which is hasn’t displayed of late. Furthermore, your very next sentence contradicts this – Russia’d win a conventional defensive war, but the US wants to defeat Russia, so it’d use nukes. Hence, it wants to find a way to use them with impunity.

    That’s why Russia in general and Putin in particular have been doing their damnedest trying to convince the US that there is no such way.

    • Replies: @Sean
  226. EugeneGur says:
    @Anon

    Russia has always dream to be America ally, only if its been treated with slightest respect & mercy. That’s all she wanted to be West most obedient maid

    Where did you get this idiotic idea? Russia find it reasonable for the two nuclear superpowers to cooperate, that is all. Moreover, Russia finds it a good idea for all countries to cooperate rather that fight, strange as it might sound to an American ear. I don’t perceive Russia as particularly obedient, only as infinitely more reasonable and benevolent than the US.

    • Replies: @Anon
  227. peterAUS says:
    @Erebus

    Trump campaigned as the Great White Hope of rational Anglo-American Imperialism. He found himself alone. His so-called base voted, and went home. They’ll vote again today, and again they’ll go home to their TVs and baseball, satisfied that their job is done.

    Pretty much.

    As for:

    Complacency will be their epitaph.

    You probably meant “our” instead of “their”.

    Three outcomes:
    The regime in Kremlin buckles all the way and those who

    are full of passionate intensity

    actually win.
    The regime in Kremlin does not buckle and we have M.A.D.
    The regime in Kremlin does not buckle and we have that hope of yours….sharing power with other.

    I’d say…as things look as we speak…..40/40/20 % probability.

    Hehe…hopefully I’ll be proven wrong. Hope….like that “Great White Hope” from the first paragraph, a?

  228. awry says:
    @Avery

    No doubt there were such plans but they weren’t carried out, but the possibility of it deterred Stalin from trying to conquer Western and Southern Europe probably.
    Regarding the term Satanic, Stalin’s USSR was most certainly more Satanic than most political entities ever. I mean its founders such as Lenin, Trotsky et al. were literally evil people (and they were Russophobic too btw). Yeah I know many Russians worship this Georgian guy who has probably killed more of their fellow citizens than the Germans. Which I somewhat understand, as the period between the victory in WW2 and the late years of the Brezhnev “stagnation” was the one when Russia stood highest in international status and “gloire” (while the populace lived in poverty compared to the West, but they lived in a seclusion and didn’t know much about the outside world then…. those few who had seen some of the “capitalist hell” were literally shocked- by the supermarkets, that ordinary citizens owned cars and houses well above the means of the average Soviet man etc.)

    • Replies: @EugeneGur
  229. It seems that the Saker, a person whose opinions I highly respect, has been another victim of US disinformation. According to him, “At least during the Cuban Missile Crisis, the entire world press was reporting about the confrontation minute by minute, and everybody knew that the danger of war was very real.”

    Well I suggest him to read this book: The Nuclear Deception: Kikita Khrushchov and the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    The author brings overwhelming evidence that the whole event was a fake and that there were never nuclear warheads in Cuba in 1962. So, the danger was much less than the disinformers in the US government and the press want us to believe.

  230. peterAUS says:
    @Erebus

    Warning…warning….nerd talk.
    I’ll post my comment and….oh my, just can’t wait for some other..characters…to “add something to our discussion.”
    Anyway, so far civil, informed and concise so why not. So far.

    I’d re-write that to maximum one hit, which is eminently possible.

    Possible, but not guaranteed. Semantics? No C.O. of this world can be sure that “that” salvo will deliver just one missile into the target. So many possibilities……He shall err on the “more” side.

    The missiles talk to each other and recognize each other’s successes & failures. Targets are prioritized and loaded into all of the missiles in a salvo. They are then launched at a set time interval. If the lead missile hits the primary target, the following missiles in the salvo are informed, and re-orient to look for next level targets. If the lead missile misses, the 2nd one assumes its role. And so on.
    If there were say 3 targeted destroyers, the Russians would send a salvo of 6 missiles. If the first 3 hit their marks in order of priority, the last 3 would know it and commit suicide, or whatever other instructions they were given.

    Interesting idea. Is it how it works now? Been some time….

    So…..how about timing? I don’t know, but I do remember some courses once upon a time (or so I say…) that the salvo must come on target at the same time? To overload the defense?
    I mean…hahaha…the same principle is hammered in leutenants in infantry, even. Assault teams charge at the same time at multiple spots. I mean, should a SWAT come to pay you a visit and think you are serious, they’ll charge at two spots at the same time. Makes sense?
    Back to this, missile thing. I heard on those courses it should be: multiples, from different angles. arrival at the target at the same time,

    Any sort of scenario like this depends on full faith professional communication at the highest levels immediately after, if not during the event, or all hell is likely to break loose soon after. It means Gerasimov on the phone with Dunford, or maybe a conference call between the respective Joint Chiefs, with the Russians explaining what is going to happen next and why.

    Yup.
    Hehe…and now imagine all that people factor then and there, a lot of interference in the air……oh my. Decision makers in White House..oh..oh my..communicating that to the forces in theater. Whoah….ah, well, we here will last the longest I guess. Two months in twilight.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  231. @Johann Ricke

    Do not be so certain in your claims. US made considerable progress in miniaturizing and specializing in nuclear weapons. They were tested and used in Iraq war,

  232. @jack daniels

    While the desire of military contractors to maximize conflict cannot be discounted, it is only a secondary factor.

    Are you sure? Wise rule is “follow the money”.

  233. @Johann Ricke

    Russia’s corrupt politicians

    Do you mean to say that European and American politicians and controlling them MIC fat cats are not corrupt? Too bad you are the only one believing this BS. Pentagon contractors steal more than all Russian oligarchs combined.

  234. @Sean

    It is amazing what people will do with a gun(s) to their collective heads!

    • Replies: @Sean
  235. EugeneGur says:
    @awry

    Congratulations, my friend. You’ve successfully repeated every Western cliche about Russia and USSR without knowing a damned thing about it and not understanding a word you utter.

    Russians worship this Georgian guy who has probably killed more of their fellow citizens than the Germans.

    He most certainly did not – not even close or anywhere in the same order of magnitude. The Russians simply recognize Stalin’s role in making the USSR what it was and in the victory over the Nazi Germany, which is indisputable. That at the same time he managed to displease the mighty United States of America is of no concern to us.

    didn’t know much about the outside world then

    We most definitely knew more about you than you knew about us. You know, there is such a thing called a book – it could teach you a good deal.

    those few who had seen some of the “capitalist hell” were literally shocked- by the supermarkets, that ordinary citizens owned cars and houses well above the means of the average Soviet man etc.)

    Yes, I sure was shocked when I first came to the US – by the number of homeless people sleeping on the streets in Washington, DC. I felt awkward and ashamed even walking by them. In my poor Soviet Union I’ve never seen anything like that.

    • Replies: @awry
  236. awry says:
    @EugeneGur

    Well I am from a former “Communist” country (however not from the former USSR) so I am maybe less ignorant than you think.
    Of course the people knew more about the outside world than, say, North Koreans that is true. There were books, true. The average Westerner probably knew even less about “us”, that is true too. Because they weren’t interested much. So many average Westerners thought that i.e. Hungarians live in yurtas and ride around on horses, or that we don’t know how to use a flush toilet or we don’t have television etc. That said ordinary people couldn’t travel to the west, and even to other socialists countries – only in groups, under supervision (speaking about the USSR). In the Soviet Union only a handful Western (not talking about cowboys and Indians stuff) movies were shown ever, so until the spread of VCR’s they didn’t see most western films. Certainly they had books, like classical literature, but that didn’t tell much about the then current things. Besides that, only state propaganda about the woes of capitalism etc.
    Of course homeless people sleeping on the streets wasn’t a phenomenon in a socialist state, as the police took you away if you tried to do that. And in the USSR even internal movement was restricted (actually in theory in all socialist states – it was up to the authorities to decide whether you got a residence permit in a certain place). Bums, beggars weren’t on streets because the police took you away for “vagrancy”, put you in some mental institution etc.

    • Replies: @EugeneGur
  237. America does not want war, China does not want war, Russia does not want war, but Isreal does !

    But why ? And how to stop the real warmonger and save the world ? Are WWI, WWII not enough ?

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  238. Sean says:

    If there was a nuclear exchange between America and Russia, Israel would be destroyed by Russia even if Israel had taken no part in the war.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  239. Sean says:
    @EugeneGur

    Nuclear war between America and Russia would kill the elites almost instantly and not just in America because all Western–allied nuclear powers would have their capital hit including Israel. At one time the US supposedly thought Nato could deter a conventional Soviet attack on Western Europe by saying it would be stopped with battlefield nuclear weapons. America tried to argue that Nato could use battlefield nuclear weapons in Europe to stop a conventional conquest of West without that progressing to a full nuclear exchange between Russia and America.

    The Russians would not play ball and it became understood that, whatever they say, America would not blow its own brains out by nuclear first use escalating to full nuclear exchange in order to try and save Europe. As Robert McNamara famously said, the threat of an incredible action is not a credible deterrent. The only way to deter nuclear weapons use is to threaten the use of nuclear retaliation. However, the threat of nuclear first use is not credible and so would not deter a conventional attack.

    Most of the world is under the impression that the US is more powerful economically and technologically than Russia and, whatever successes Russia might have initially, in a long war Russia would be ground down. I really cannot think why the West would want to invade Russia as China is far more dangerous and is getting stronger all the time. If the US wanted to fight Russia it would start something in Ukraine and then wear them down in a global conventional conflict slowly but surely. While Russia may have been getting stronger in a conventional military sense under Putin, the productive capacity potential and innovation is all America’s. In any case, a war with Russia would drive Russia into the arms of the Chinese who are already frightening America with the growth of their productive capacity and technical inventiveness, and that is why America will not do it.

  240. Erebus says:
    @peterAUS

    Interesting idea. Is it how it works now? Been some time… I heard on those courses it should be: multiples, from different angles. arrival at the target at the same time,

    Yeah, Peter, it has been some time, and even then it seems your courses were rather narrowly focussed. The Soviets were networking missile salvoes >3 decades ago.

    You weren’t the only one. It was only a year ago that Lockheed Martin and Northrup Grumman were awarded contracts to develop something similar for the US. AFAIK they’re sticking to sub-sonic platforms for the initial prototypes, to be ready by 2022 & 2024 respectively.

    High accuracy, manoeuvrable, target-recognizing, super-sonic cruise missiles like the Kalibr, Onyx, Granit, etc have a very high probability of getting through any defences – reportedly, >80% for individual Kalibrs. So, the wolf-pack concept becomes a formidable strategy if you require only 25-30% more missiles than targets. In principle, 25-30 missiles could render an entire 20-vessel CVBG dead in the water minutes after the 1st missile arrived. In the the case of the Kalibr, missiles could be launched from stand-off range – a windfall, in ROI terms.

    IOW, they’re not like artillery, or even Tomahawks at all.

    I haven’t looked into whether the new hyper-sonic missiles like the Zircon et al are also capable of being networked in this way. I’d think communications at Mach 5-10 present very significant technical challenges. If they can, the only thing protecting a carrier battle group would be the statistical odds of a design/manufacturing defect causing failure of the missiles in flight. A CVBG literally wouldn’t know what hit them.

    Two months in twilight.

    Head south asap after the launch. My understanding is that south of the 45th parallel “twilight” could last a year or more, and may actually be survivable for much longer. Hobart might be good enough, or the bottom end of S. Island, NZ if you can get there. Good Luck!

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  241. anon[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @awry

    that the US public expect almost zero losses in any of today’s conflicts, so they won’t put their soldiers in harms way if not backed up by total superiority, to avoid losses as much as they can.”

    Did US win in Vietnam or in Korea ? Should they have tried more Mai Lai!

    We have been hearing for 17 yrs that more resources, money, men power and more doubling down in Iraq and in Afghanistan would secured the war. At one time US had more than 100,000 soldiers in Afghanistan . They did everything .

    But they couldn’t win the war . There something more than IQ involved to understand why US couldn’t win the war. Yes , it is IQ but not the kind American or British or NATO nations are proud of. That kind of IQ is good enough to receive lies distortions false promises and imbibe hatred .

  242. Erebus says:
    @Sean

    If there was a nuclear exchange between America and Russia, Israel would be destroyed by Russia even if Israel had taken no part in the war.

    And you know this how?

    • Replies: @Sean
  243. Mike says:

    All Russia does is talk. They never attack. Russia’s threats can be safely ignored. It is a paper tiger.

  244. Sean says:
    @Erebus

    It would not be the first thing, but it the end knowing that they were being destroyed know that Russia would hit America as hard as it could, and even if China was trying to stay nuetral Russia would have good reason to ensure that China was not able to benifit. Plans for the destruction of other countries final strikes are made and secret, but it’s common sense that why on Earth if it was going down to destruction as a country would Russia would leave any advanced country, especially a close ally of the US, intact to dance on its grave.

    Once the missiles started landing on Moscow the last order would be to hit all the targets. And Russia would not necessarily know who was hitting them with nukes once it started, because China would understand it could not stay out. Russia would take out the major cities of America, Britain, France; Germany and Israel would be hit as a secondary targets even if those countries were neutral. China would get it too.

    https://theconversation.com/could-the-us-win-world-war-iii-without-using-nuclear-weapons-94771

    America might be capable of destroying Russia’s nuclear weapons with conventional means, but that would be likely to provoke a Russian nuke specimen strike. For practical purposes, conventional missile attacks on Russia’s nuclear weapons would be treated as a step into nuclear war.

  245. Sean says:
    @bike-anarkist

    No they are just getting the US to pay. Poland knows that Russia has no intention of actually fighting and neither does America. China is defeating both by staying out of wars and these pissing contest. Actual war between great powers is a thing of the past. America’s great advantage was it could not be invaded. China is intent on an all out economic offensive. They will wipe out Silicon Valley.

  246. Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @EugeneGur

    Russia find it reasonable for the two nuclear superpowers to cooperate, that is all.

    Aah…that’s where all the problem started, Russia think & acts like a superpower without been one.

    ZUS don’t see & will never allow Russia as a equal “Superpower” partner, but a regional gas station for it to rape & pillage. But Putin didn’t want to be ZUS whore anymore, he took back control, intervene here & there, purging West planted Russian oligarchs, revitalize its dilapidated economy, military, aerospace, energy sector…

    Dwelling in G8-club hubris & recovering strength, Putin started to step on US toes everywhere, even took in Snowden to shame ZUS. So ZUS gave him a Maidan Ukraine black eye & sanction punishment. Putin didn’t back down but took Crimea, intervened into Syria.

    So came all the Russia diplomats killing, purging, smearing, sabotage, more sanction, more killing of Russian force in Syria…still Putin refused to be laid, but grinding ZUS beloved headchopping moderate ISIS, even revealing new lethal weapons to threaten ZUS, how dare. So more sanction & aggressive military threat at border.

    Russia can never be true Superpower with its limited population & economy size. If its real superpower, it has already retaliate forcefully instead of keep bending down to appease FUKUS, as PCR repeatedly pointed out.

    But this Russian maid is not truly obedient & harmless as she pretended. Russia is sophisticated & ambitious black widow, bidding for time & opportunity to make her kills, that’s how Russia keep expanding to its size this day.

  247. anon[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @awry

    Entire US Army is full of morons ” with shiny toys. ”

    One can spend trillion dollars and get same result that 1 million dollars gets , whether in researches in academia, universities,R & D projects of the private enterprises or in the military spending and still can discover new treatments, generate effective responses to diseases ,provide new inventions,and create a tough army . But the morns are those who allow trillion dollars of subsidies to the companies, academia and to the military ,by the citizens who are poorly clothed poorly housed,poorly educated ,and are precariously and poorly situated in economic safety zone .

  248. M Edward says:

    Actually, American conservatives have been dealing with this s**t since the Bolshevik FDR saturated the government and courts with communistst.
    FDR’s policies wrecked the whole world…… ie: the destruction and slaughter of Germany and it’s civilian population, the death of MILLIONS of ethnic Europeans, the Bolshevik occupation of eastern Europe, the destruction of Japan and the rise of the Sino-Bolsheviks in China just to mention a few of his “achievements”

    FDR was a Zio-Bolshevik ! (Roosevelt is the Dutch spelling of Rosenfeld …..”rose filed”

    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/untermeyer.htm

  249. peterAUS says:
    @Erebus

    From

    Yeah, Peter, it has been some time..

    to

    ….A CVBG literally wouldn’t know what hit them.

    maybe, probably, don’t much believe all that and, the most important, don’t much care, honestly.
    Tools. Toolbox.
    And, based on hard earned experience, I don’t buy for a second any tool, or a craftsman, “fact” unless proven in hard combat against a SIMILAR opponent. . Same applies to West and its wonder weapons. Just me .
    I tend to skip such discussions, so, moving on to important part, which is:

    Head south asap after the launch. My understanding is that south of the 45th parallel “twilight” could last a year or more, and may actually be survivable for much longer. Hobart might be good enough, or the bottom end of S. Island, NZ if you can get there. Good Luck!

    Hehe…can’t say the exact location, of course, but I guess that’s been done already. One year you say? Nice. I thought 2 months only.
    Won’t be pleasant year, but, at least, longer than the people who caused all that.
    Hope that fishing will remain good enough till the end.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Erebus
  250. EugeneGur says:
    @awry

    ordinary people couldn’t travel to the west, and even to other socialists countries – only in groups, under supervision (speaking about the USSR).

    That is true – there was no individual travel. However, the doesn’t by itself mean we didn’t know anything, as the reverse is also not true – the Americans travel all over the world and know or understand nothing about it. It is always a mystery to me how they manage that but they do.

    In the Soviet Union only a handful Western (not talking about cowboys and Indians stuff) movies were shown ever, so until the spread of VCR’s they didn’t see most western films.

    That isn’t quite true. We had limited knowledge of Hollywood, that is true, although it’s debatable whether it’s good or bad.

    But we had pretty good exposure to the European cinema: French, Italian. I most certainly know better the classic European cinema at its hight than any American I’ve ever met and most Europeans, for that matter. Also, Eastern Europe was widely represented in movies, books, theater, you name it.

    only state propaganda about the woes of capitalism etc.

    Which turned out to be quite true.

    Bums, beggars weren’t on streets because the police took you away for “vagrancy”

    Come on, there is simpler explanation for that. There was an extensive safety net: people didn’t loose their home if they became ill or incapacitated, and there was no unemployment.

    • Replies: @Iris
  251. wraith67 says:
    @Begemot

    Our not “beating” the Taliban in 17 years has nothing to do with capabilities and everything to internal politics. Pakistan harbors the Taliban and warlord leadership full time, our politicians have chosen not to pursue them there. The primary military failures was to buy into the Petreus/Kilcullen (farcical) COIN strategy and entertain the notion that you could occupy a large country with less than 300,000 troops.

    • Replies: @anon
  252. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @wraith67

    Why doesn’t US pursue ISIS ? Why does it ship them to Afghanistan ? Why does it protect t them in Eastern Syria?

    Why does it create those forces by attacking countries like Somalia and Yemen?

    America could have put Bin Laden on trail and ask him for details .

    America can win a lot of wars but not the ones it chose to fight .

    Is Afghanistan a harbinger of some good tidings? Will it prove right again ? Will the US disappear like Soviet ?

  253. wraith67 says:

    While a dustup with Russia would certainly be an eye opener for the US, I don’t see how it wouldn’t escalate to nuclear, so it’s fairly unlikely – and the US is vulnerable to EMP. Everybody will have noted that the US doesn’t engage in military conflict with anybody that has nukes, we can’t even get Pakistan to stop supporting the Taliban.

    The fiscal situation in the US is essentially a death spiral, under the GOP they were unable to restrain spending and are running $trillion deficits, with the Democrats in charge of the house the deficits will likely balloon. We’re already borrowing to pay the interest. It’s probably just simpler to sit back and watch the US implode financially. What’s the Russian equivalent of popcorn?

  254. Iris says:
    @EugeneGur

    “Come on, there is simpler explanation for that. There was an extensive safety net: people didn’t loose their home if they became ill or incapacitated, and there was no unemployment.”

    All correct.
    There was another reason to this absence of human degradation: there were almost no Class A drugs in the Eastern Block. The “despotic” communist governments fiercely protected their people against this plague, while Western powers are the Nr1 drug-traffickers and money launderer, at the expense of their own population.

  255. @peterAUS

    PeterAUS to Erebus: ‘maybe, probably, don’t much believe all that and, the most important, don’t much care, honestly.
    Tools. Toolbox.”

    Greetings Erebus.

    Fyi, 1982, I endured a philosophy Professor who delighted in expressing himself as if he were the Second Coming of Albert Camus and existentialism.

    For better or worse, Mr. Erebus, please reread & reconsider quote (above) & meet “The Stranger,” PeterAUS, the little Tool Who-Could-Not-Box…, uh, Barbara Boxer.

    Thank you.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  256. Anon[227] • Disclaimer says:
    @Degenerate Scumbag

    Indeed you are degenerated with such shallow foolish views. Just google & read up you can find how hollow & misinformed in your comment.

    US trade deficit is with every trade partners, incl EU, Germany, Jp, SK, Canada, Mexico. Its a result of reckless consumption living on free money printing & debts, with 1% controlling most US wealth.

    The hollowing out of industry base & jobless is main reason of trade deficit, not due to China or Asia as your every stupid Prez, Congress & msm told you to vote him for a change, but the unrestrained greed of US corporates in cohort of corrupted gov, searching forever for more profits. Many low end jobs already move out of China to say Vietnam as China cost goes up fast. Even China stop trading with US, jobs will move to other countries but not US.

    Jobs aren’t returning to US, said Apple Steve Jobs to Obama, why?

    Entire US production & supply chain had already been destroyed, while China has now the world most complete & competitive one.

    https://theweek.com/articles/478705/why-apple-builds-iphones-everything-else-china

    Its reported that China exchange rate was 8 to 1USD, with GDP growing near 30%. Upon joining WTO, it controlled the exch at around 6+ to 1USD under US demand, dropped GDP growth to 10+%. It desire to make Yuan as international trade currency & reserve required a stable exch with a busket of currency, which China painstakingly did to deter West regular currency attack with its 4T foreign reserve . How can that be greatest currency manipulator that you swallowed from msm lies?

    The well known & proven greatest global currency manipulating & raider is US. QE is the worst scam with unlimited money printing, which EU & Jp join to raid the global reserve.

    When China dumped US treasury, borrowing interest & bond will rocket, with chain effect, stock market will depressed, corporate profit will drop, most heavily indebted murkans will go under, more job lost, less consumption & investment, more nations dumped US treasury/bonds/investment starting a vicious cycle for Deep Depression….which the world try to avoid been sucked down by US sudden collapse.

    US trade only amount to under 5% of China GDP. Its growth is carefully planned with global integration & domestic, forming the ONLY critical growth engine for the world in last few decades esp for declining West. Its No1 trade partner now with nearly all countries well surpassing US, what strength does it tell you?

    What can China do to counter the tariffs? Alot, asymmetric as China said. But China decided its not time yet to close off its largest mkt from US corps & investments to inflict unbearable great pain. Eg. When GM/Fords lost access, they will become obsolete 2nd tier to Germans & Jp cars. China can let its currency fall back to 8-1 since US no longer abide by WTO rules. Replaced every US products with EU/Jp, while dev own tech, eg semiconductor. Disrupt US supply chain by stop shipping critical components & rare earth. Long list to go. But China carefully selected high quality leadership is not as foolish to hurt itself on impulse, it will roll out at own pace to minimize impact to itself while maximize impact to opponents. One eg, its more hurtful to break one enemy’s finger than to hurt enemy’s hand, go imagine the Chinese wisdom.

    Now China is working on indigenous technology & innovation, eg. 2025 plan, which will give another unseen greater but true quality growth phase, that’s what ZUS is most feared about been totally leave behind even in technology leading.

    Only Germany will prosperous & survive with its forever industrial innovation & manufacturing quality, with prudent consumption & quality education, but only if it managed to rid itself from ZUS staged refugees flooding crisis.

    If you want to imagine what China can achieve, just look at what Jp, SK, HK, Tw, Spore had achieved. And they are only backward vassals & farmer descendants of China just not long ago.

    In due course, China economy will surpass US+EU+Jp combined, regaining its few centuries lost global leadership it had dominated since few thousands years ago.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    , @Erebus
    , @Sean
  257. AWM says:

    Reading this thread you would not think that the Russians or the Chinese are about to find distributed combat computing with forward sensors in the combat cloud is HARD.
    You would also think they have some sort of a “handle” on electronic warfare.
    The simple truth is “They Don’t Have a Clue” and the smarter professionals among them know it.

    Many times during the last 20 years I have had the opportunity to interact with US Military professional warriors in multiple services at some of the highest levels of technology and I have always asked them the same question. “At any time during your service with the US Air Force, Navy, Army, or Coast Guard would you have traded our military hardware for that of our opposition in regional or global conflict, Cold War or otherwise?”
    One hundred per cent of the time I have always gotten the same answer.

    They LAUGH.

    • LOL: FB
  258. Anon[227] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jon0815

    Mercenaries are ruled illegal in Russia law. These are most possible Russia soldiers SF embedded with SAA. If it took many hours of USAF pounding, it must be real big group of valuable Russian soldiers, 20+ is what you choose to believe.

    Yet not a single shot back with even manpad to bring down a helicopter, let alone RAF assistant to defend, for hours of brutal killing known by Russia commanders, who dare not issue order to counterstrike.

    Even its direct hit with Russian soldiers & diplomats, Putin will not react but gives some stupid excuses, like Russian diplomats are dying from old age, its russian mercenaries happened to be at the wrong place wrong time. Russia can’t afford to clash with US directly. But appeasement encourage more attacks, strong bully weak jungle law.

  259. peterAUS says:
    @AWM

    “….They LAUGH.”

    Now….you are, perhaps, slightly aware that attitude could be taken as something else than what you, most likely (“US Military professional warriors”), want to say.

    Interesting expression, btw, that one in quotes.

    And, really, all the hardware? I mean…really all of it? Not even one tiny little piece of it?

    Interesting…….. too.

  260. Erebus says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    I’m not sure Mersault’s universal apathy applies in this case. Peter’s lack of interest appears to be restricted to those things he doesn’t understand. That may amount to a long list, but it’s by no means universal. :-)

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  261. peterAUS says:
    @Erebus

    Hahaha..

    ….Peter’s lack of interest appears to be restricted to those things he doesn’t understand. That may amount to a long list…

    Does it help? What’s the dosage? Once a week if all normal, probably. Once…even twice a day on bad days, I guess. Not easy, a? Getting harder, most likely.

    All good.

  262. Erebus says:
    @peterAUS

    Hope that fishing will remain good enough till the end.

    Well, you might be talking about ice-fishing, but no worries. Keeping consumption of the hard stuff to moderate levels, I can attest that ice-fishing is eminently survivable.

  263. @Anon

    There will come one day, and I do not know when it will be. But day will come when you will understand that buying US bond certificates is act of charity.

    • Replies: @Anon
  264. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @AWM

    Oh, I think right now they would trade for a Kinzhal or an Avangard, or one of those supercavitating torpedos

  265. Erebus says:
    @Anon

    From your link. After Steve Jobs told Obama at a Silicon Valley luncheon that the “jobs are never coming back”…

    Jobs reportedly told Obama that he’s “not worried about the country’s long-term future” because the U.S. “is insanely great.”

    There it is, plain as day. A paradigmatic example of the myopic hubris that steers American policy at the elite levels. Never mind not knowing what hit them, I’m not sure they’ll even know they got hit.

    • Replies: @Anon
  266. Erebus says:
    @AWM

    Quantitatively speaking, the US has more than enough assets in and around the M.E. to blow the miniscule Russian contingent out of theatre. Given that, geopolitically speaking, they absolutely can’t afford to leave them there, how is it that the Russians continue have their way in Syria, making ever closer ties to HZB and Iran?

    The Russians aren’t going to go nuclear over Khmeimen airbase, or Tartus. So what has stayed the US’ hand these last 3 years while they watched their plans for the M.E. go dim?

    • Replies: @FB
  267. Sean says:
    @Anon

    Wall St can make money from going along with China.. So Wall St’s manipulation apparatus allies with superannuated Cold Warriors and promulgates hostility to Russia..

    If we need a depression to stop China becoming the most powerful country in the world then we need a depression. The US can suffer worse than anyone but still win because it is America’s relative power that matters. Turning the West’s fate will not be painless.

    • Replies: @Anon
  268. bluedog says:
    @AWM

    Now that’s about the dumbest post I’ve read,what did you expect them to do, admit that others had better hardware in certain fields and watch their career go down the drain….

  269. Sean says:
    @AWM

    Islamic guided missile technology is so sophisticated many in the US still don’t understand it. The US has lost something in pulling ahead technologically, because death defying belief in religious/ national myths is good for war but does not go along with rationality.

    As for the Chinese.

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/10/18/deepminds_latest_alphago_software_doesnt_need_human_data_to_win/

    The old AlphaGo relied on a computationally intensive Monte Carlo tree search to play through Go scenarios. The nodes and branches created a much larger tree than AlphaGo practically needed to play. A combination of reinforcement learning and human-supervised learning was used to build “value” and “policy” neural networks that used the search tree to execute gameplay strategies. The software learned from 30 million moves played in human-on-human games, and benefited from various bodges and tricks to learn to win. For instance, it was trained from master-level human players, rather than picking it up from scratch.

    AlphaGo Zero did start from scratch with no experts guiding it. And it is much more efficient: it only uses a single computer and four of Google’s custom TPU1 chips to play matches, compared to AlphaGo’s several machines and 48 TPUs. Since Zero didn’t rely on human gameplay, and a smaller number of matches, its Monte Carlo tree search is smaller. The self-play algorithm also combined both the value and policy neural networks into one, and was trained on 64 GPUs and 19 CPUs over a few days by playing nearly five million games against itself.

    America is going to lose its advantage.

  270. c matt says:
    @Quartermaster

    Russia still isn’t much better than a 3rd world country with nuclear weapons

    How is that battle against third world Afghanistan coming along, what, fifteen years and counting? And they don’t even have nukes.

    Spirit of fighting alright – fighting for LBGTQRST rights for marines to dress in drag.

  271. @Sean

    America plainly does not know how to fight and win wars. You also have no clue what monster USA wou look d face in terms of both military and industrial complex that was backing it. USA would have been buried under Soviet weaponry. Almost every factory had plan B to get reversed to military production and most probably in all areas related to defense USSR was ahead of USA. It is both quantitatively and as you can see now on quality too.

  272. As I see it if I may.
    Title of the article is misleading and deceptive.
    Russians are not preparing for the war with US anymore.
    Russians are preparing for total and thorough destruction of US in the case if US attacks on Russian territory.
    In case of US attack on Russian base in Syria they would unleash only all arsenal of the ships of Caspian see.
    Lets face reality.
    Not much would remain of US forces in the Levant.

  273. FB says:
    @awry

    You’re hilarious…

    I always love it when a guy who couldn’t possibly solve a triangle to save his life starts talking about ‘technology’…

    Just what exactly do you know about technology, friend…?…I’ll tell you what I know…as an aerospace engineer who has worked for Nasa…

    1…a smartphone is not going to get you into space…which the US needs Russia to do for

    2…the ONLY country to have a working scramjet engine in production is Russia…see the Avangard boost glide vehicle and the Zirkon missile…[they were also the first to fly one back in 1991]

    3…Russia is the undisputed leader [by far] in the nuclear energy sector…both in terms of global footprint and in terms of technology…look up fast neutron reactor technology…

    Those are just three big ones…I could go on and on about the astonishing technology lead that Russia now has in major areas of applied science…

    It’s not surprising…Russia graduates twice as many engineers as the US…

    You mentioned earlier the failed Soyuz launch…which also demonstrated the perfect performance of the crew rescue system…what happened to the Columbia in 2003…or Challenger in 1986…?…how well did the US crew rescue system work…?

    If you knew to look a little more closely you would find that those two catastrophic inflight failures, resulting in the loss of two complete crews [14 astronauts] is unprecedented…Russia has never had a failure like that…and has lost a total of 4 cosmonauts…

    I will just close by saying that you are way too wordy about the subject of technology for someone who knows zilch about the subject…

    • Replies: @JLK
    , @Sean
  274. JLK says:
    @FB

    I’d be very surprised if China is not missing from the very top of that list.

    • Replies: @FB
  275. FB says:
    @Erebus

    ‘Quantitatively speaking, the US has more than enough assets in and around the M.E. to blow the miniscule Russian contingent out of theatre. Given that, geopolitically speaking, they absolutely can’t afford to leave them there, how is it that the Russians continue have their way in Syria…what has stayed the US’ hand these last 3 years while they watched their plans for the M.E. go dim..?’

    Because the part about blowing the miniscule Russian contingent out of theater is not that simple…

    The US generals know that a large scale attack on Russia’s military in Syria will mean a devastating CONVENTIONAL response…yes, Russia is capable of hitting very hard, right from Russia…

    Think about the entire Soviet doctrine of countering US naval power during the cold war…the US navy is basically a tool of colonial enforcement…[yes, all those aircraft carriers proved useless in a decade of war against Vietnam...where US lost 10,000 aircraft, including more than 30 B52s...but later actions against lesser foes...ie Iraq, Libya etc went better...]

    Still, Russia needed to develop an ASYMMETRICAL response to US naval power, in case the US attempted some kind of blockade or even just aggression against a Soviet client state somewhere in the world…they did that very effectively…mostly by means of air power…ie the Tu22M supersonic heavy bomber, carrying near hypersonic anti-ship missiles with 1000 km range…

    There is no stopping these Kh22/32 missiles as they fly at up to Mach 5 and maneuver all the way…it is doubtful shipborne defenses could even stop subsonic Exocet type wave skimming missiles, as seen in the Falklands war…

    That is what is staying the US hand…Russia still has 100 of those Tu22M bombers and has upgraded and modernized them over the years…same with that 8 ton beast of a missile, of which this supersonic bomber carries THREE apiece…

    It means that the entire US and Nato flotilla in the Med Sea would be at the bottom within an hour of those big Tupolevs firing up and roaring down the runway…a similar bombardment would be rained down on US and Nato air bases in the region…

    I always love this cold war era photo of Admiral Charles Larson, commander of the USN Pacific Fleet, trying the Tu22 cockpit on for size…his face tells the story…

    Btw…these types of weapons are an example of the kind of capabilities the US simply does not have…they have no analogues in the west…Kinzhal is simply a modernization of this same class of weapon, but is in fact not even needed at this time…

    • Replies: @Erebus
  276. FB says:
    @JLK

    China still has a way to go…building a broad and deep scientific and academic infrastructure is not something that happens overnight…but certainly China will get there…if you follow these things you will find that China is partnering with Russian universities to build up their capabilities in the intellectual domain…

  277. Erebus says:
    @FB

    You elaborated my rhetorical point. Quantity doesn’t always have a (useful) quality all its own.

    The crux of the matter is that:

    … Russia is capable of hitting very hard, right from Russia…

    IOW, to stop the rain of missiles, the US would have to attack Russian soil.

    That’s a bridge too far for all but the maniacally suicidal. One can hope there aren’t enough of those amongst the Joint Chiefs to carry the day.

  278. Sean says:
    @FB

    In The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers, Paul Kennedy gave much the same reasons for why the Soviet Union would not collapse under the pressure of mobilizations (ie they had lots of engineers and productive capacity). Maybe they do, but the society could not support such an effort. Hence getting Russia preparing for war is a triad a trusted way to overheat it. America leads with its strength, which is technologically economic.

    http://time.com/4826856/russia-trump-north-korea-china-war/

    In 2017, global elites don’t know what a successful war even looks like. They may have read about them in history books and seen fanciful recreations in Hollywood blockbusters, but they have good reason to suspect that this type of war has gone extinct. Though some third-world dictators and non-state actors still manage to flourish through war, it seems that major powers no longer know how to do so.

    The greatest victory in living memory — of the United States over the Soviet Union — was achieved without any major military confrontation.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Sergey Krieger
  279. FB says:
    @Sean

    ‘…America leads with its strength, which is technologically economic…’

    You’re even more hilarious than that other clown…

    The US is a funhouse of mirrors…you remember those, where everything looks all distorted and funny…

    Here is a fact for you…HALF of all US households are not able to scrape together $400 in case of an emergency…

    The REAL unemployment number has been at over 20 percent for at least a decade…since discouraged workers who no longer go down to the unemployment office to look for wage-slave jobs simply are airbrushed out of the picture…

    Those who do choose to work, toil away in what amounts to 19′th century Dickensian conditions…Jeff Bezos’ Amazon is a huge employer with warehouses all over the US [basically the idea is importing boat loads of crap from China, then selling it online, wrapping it in cardboard and mailing it out]…that’s how you make $100 billion in the funhouse US…

    Here you can read about the working conditions in one of those Amazon sweat shops…in summer Amazon pays for half a dozen ambulances to sit in the parking lot for workers that pass out due to heat…I guess it’s cheaper to pay for ambulances than to put in A/C…

    Just the other day another favorite plutocrat is in the news about similar abuse of workers…seems workers injured at the Tesla auto assembly line are taken to hospital in Uber, because medical staff aren’t allowed to call 911…makes for quite sickening reading…

    You see Tesla can do this because they can hire a ‘medical provider’ that will do whatever Tesla tells them to…and if you can save a dollar, it makes no difference that some poor schmoe ends up crippled…he is not much more than chattel that can be easily replaced…

    Another thing you will note if you look into the world of workers in the US is that it is mostly temp agencies that hire workers for these plutocrats…including Bezos and Musk…working as a temp gives the worker nothing…no job security, no medical…nothing…

    That is how far the exploitation of humans has sunk to in the United States…so yeah…your twaddling about ‘technological economy’ fits right in with that picture now doesn’t it…how could something like this possibly lead to anything but grandeur…?

    Then there is the issue of financialization…ie debt slavery…everything under the sun has been leveraged by financialization…so there is a built in overhead in everything you buy and every service you use…it amounts to about 33 percent of the GDP…that’s like a flat tax on your head…only you don’t know it…since you’re not smart enough to figure that out, and you won’t listen to honest men [like Michael Hudson and PCR] who tell you this…

    It is nothing more than a giant Ponzi Scheme which is going to come crashing down spectacularly…the only reason the US is still afloat is because of the dollar’s role as the world trade currency, especially in oil and other commodities…this means there is always demand for dollars so the US can just print free money to paper over the foundational cracks in its ponzi economy…

    But that’s about to come to an end too…and then what…?

    The BRICS countries now exceed the GDP of the G7…so they already have enough heft that they do not need to pay ‘tribute’ to a US whose foundations are so rotten that it is just a matter of time before the whole shithouse collapses…

    That’s the reality…if you knew anything about Russia you would realize in which direction this great power is moving…get on a plane and go to Moscow sometime…see for yourself what that other world looks like rather than sitting in a cloud of flatulence at your keyboard…

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @Incitatus
  280. @Sean

    Could not support that effort? Really. And what about effort of 1941-1945? Under similar conditions USA would collapse within month or two.

  281. Miro23 says:
    @FB

    Here is a fact for you…HALF of all US households are not able to scrape together $400 in case of an emergency…

    And every US taxpayer is more than $ 20.000 in debt to pay for Israel’s ME wars and the MIC rip-off.

    US citizens have allowed themselves to be looted in the most extraordinary way due to their own laziness and apathy.

  282. Anon[358] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Buying anything in USD is pure charity. Everyone knows except most murkhans, but there isn’t alternative global trading currency yet. Once dedollarization done, everyone will dump USD related assets, treasury & bonds like toxic.

  283. Anon[358] • Disclaimer says:
    @Erebus

    Steve jobs is exceptional brillant, he could see that US is “insanely great” in many areas, but only if they could just live a normal peaceful life in harmony with entire world. However, the 1% & Israel Jews hijacked whole US & brainwashed its entire population to be drones & a threat to mankind. Its rotten from within, stink in external now awaiting to fall.

  284. Anon[358] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    China is rising based on developing sustainable strength & growth, with a farsighted vision of human common destiny. Such values will ensure it survive any confrontation, with a very resilience nation.

    Whereas US is working on hedgmonic evil empire & bubble economy, when depression does hit, it will collapse completely. The 1% rich will runaway with its 90% wealth to new promised land, leaving the poor deplorables in divided & violent chaos.

    May be its good for US empire to collapse, then those few good rednecks can rebuild US like their forefathers did.

  285. Anon[358] • Disclaimer says:
    @AWM

    http://www.financetwitter.com/2017/10/how-united-states-military-is-scammed-twenty-billion-dollar-buying-100-stealth-fighters-that-cannot-fight.html

    F22, F35 are pure scams. Even Y23 chief designer had openly published a detailed report to expose the Lockheed Martin’s scam to win the bid. But these authoritative military reports still widely circulated last year was seemed scrubbed off from Google search now.

    Russia & China built real military wares for defense, US built for the MIC pockets. Only in real war can we expose murkans false pride.

    • Replies: @AWM
  286. anon[408] • Disclaimer says:

    Half Of Health Spending In The US Is Now Government Spending Authored by Ryan McMaken via The Mises Institute,

    US states continue to expand Medicaid, and it’s happening even in so-called “red states.” CNBC, for instance, reports how voters in “red states” Utah, Nebraska and Idaho all approved ballot issues to expand Medicaid under new Obamacare provisions. Meanwhile, the voters in these states also handed control of state government to Republican governors and legislators. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-09/half-health-spending-us-now-government-spending?fbclid=IwAR09sZotduBfrMzJ-7-AqaDFKldQFZOjm1STX0Ms8HZ1karir0YUfGM2XW4

    The hypocrisy is jarring mind boggling but at the end of the day it is par the course.

    Words hide the ideas . We speak of “people choices and freedom of access to the health care we want ” But basically Government spends money and some scumbag through the pyramidal system of corruption nepotism and bureaucracy gives an impression of the a situation that is nonexistent . Americans are sucked into believing that they have private “non specialized not government run heath care which in turn makes people thin that they are getting non- tax funded best health care .

    It is like organized legal bootlegging in the era of prohibition. Only the makers of the moonshiners get to profit at the expense of the taxpayers who get shitty service but who are loud to believe that Great America is providing them great service.

    War is same They want to attack a country So they send some comic cruel coward ISIS bastard and then they attack the country for the sake of keeping the military’s lifeline and O2 supply permanent .
    Today America sits with Afghan with Taliban and possibly with the Al Quiada as well to chart out a deal. But in the same breath they utter the desire to kill Iranian Syrians and Russian. Is it because the show (Afghan ) is no longer drawing the same amount of devoted obsequience and blind servility ? Is it because the rating is going down ? People , even the stupidest American can get tired of the same butchery and macabre dancing on the unmarked drab lusterless grave by the rowdiest drunk drama queen .

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  287. @anon

    Agree 100% Medical industry is independent kingdom in US on its own.

  288. AWM says:
    @Anon

    More senseless drivel driven by the money which, admittedly is better to have than not.

    Just like the weekly S-300 articles on this site, or comments about the Russian IRST (roughly equivalent to the late 50′s USAF) or the “invincible” hypersonic which aren’t deployed or tested or the Russian “crowbar” which the US abandoned in the 60′s or who knows whatever “wunderweapons” the forces of communism have developed, produced and deployed (cobalt samarium G ring a bell?) or the “perimeter” Soviet system which was either a copy of the US system (ERCS) or perhaps the US copied the Soviet one? Never did get a straight answer on that last one.

    Either way, the only thing that frightens me more than the “secret” weapons developed by the forces of the East are the “more secret” weapons developed by the forces of the West. And how much are they copying from each other? We’re better off not knowing.

    The informed among us know exactly what I am talking about, and you don’t need a nuclear waste spewing missile or a minuscule radar cross section to deliver it. We have psychotic “madmen” funneling billions of dollars of fiat currency to far more psychotic “madmen” all in the hopes of the next “wunderweapon” and they’ll get it, sooner or later. Let’s just hope we the people don’t.

    So what is it? East vs West, or a non-obsolete question, North vs South.
    Trump (trumpism?), Nationalism (racism?), Globalism (economic racism?), Ideology (hate-ism), Communism/Fascism (genocide-ism), and all the other dozens or permutations may have to wait, the next glaciation waits on no one.

    Lot of good those billion dollar missile fields will do us when they are covered by a km of ice.
    But not to worry, they have an unlimited amount of wealth they can rob from all of us, and rob they will. Eventually AI and Robotics will replace all of us “deplorables” except for the requisite number of “blonde virgins” both male and female for these elites and their minions.

    Have a nice day and don’t take anything you read here (or anywhere else) too seriously, we have exactly one hope and it’s never too late to accept your creator, and it’s not Northup Grumman Rocketdyne Eli-Lilly.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  289. peterAUS says:
    @AWM

    ….they can rob from all of us, and rob they will. Eventually AI and Robotics will replace all of us “deplorables”…

    Rather grim, but understandable and, unfortunately, probable.

    I agree with

    …don’t take anything you read here (or anywhere else) too seriously…

    And, yet…..

    ….we have exactly one hope….

    so, what that might be, then?

  290. JLK says:

    Either way, the only thing that frightens me more than the “secret” weapons developed by the forces of the East are the “more secret” weapons developed by the forces of the West. And how much are they copying from each other? We’re better off not knowing.

    The defense industry doesn’t cry too much when information stolen by spies like Pollard makes its way to Russia….just another reason to appropriate more money for the next generation of technology.

    • Replies: @AWM
  291. Incitatus says:
    @FB

    “The US is a funhouse of mirrors…not able to scrape together $400…REAL unemployment number has been at over 20 percent…toil away in what amounts to 19′th century Dickensian conditions… gives the worker nothing…no job security, no medical…nothing…exploitation of humans…in the US is that it is mostly temp agencies that hire workers for these plutocrats…debt slavery…giant Ponzi Scheme which is going to come crashing down spectacularly…how far the exploitation of humans has sunk to in the United States…ponzi economy…US whose foundations are so rotten that it is just a matter of time before the whole shithouse collapses…That’s the reality…”

    Wow!!!!!! Never knew it was that bad!. Makes one consider desperate measures.

    “if you [Sean] knew anything about Russia you would realize in which direction this great power is moving…get on a plane and go to Moscow sometime…see for yourself what that other world looks like…”

    Ever-modest FB. Forget another category in which Russia excels?

    Suicide?

    Russia ranks #1 in Male Suicide: 48.3 per 100k!!!!!! Congratulations!

    Female Suicide [#31 at 7.5/100k] is respectable, but pulls down Russian performance. Russia ranks #3 in Unisex Suicide [26.5/100k]. Room for improvement? Deep breath, you can do it, FB. With a little effort you can beat out Guyana [#1] and Lesotho [#2] and become #1 in Unisex Suicide! Child’s play for an “æronautical engineer”.

    Sadly, once again, America lags well behind Russia. USA ranks #38th in Male Suicide [21.1/100k] and #42nd in Female Suicide [6.4/100k]. Result? A lackluster #34th in the Unisex Suicide Sweepstakes [13.7/100k]. Shameful!

    And surprising.

    America teeters on “rotten foundations”, a “shithouse [about to] collapse”? Russia is the “great power” ascendant? Shucks, FB. Why are so many Russians killing themselves? Give us a hint. What’s the troll suicide rate in Russia?

    “sitting in a cloud of flatulence at your keyboard”

    Word to the wise, FB. Avoid matches and open flame while posting.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @FB
  292. AWM says:
    @JLK

    Brilliant!
    Somebody else “gets it.” Glad I’m not alone in this observation.
    Sadly, I think we the people were better off when the limitations were WW I tech. Admittedly, not much better off (if you were a military age white male) but still, better off. At least until the “flu” hit globally.
    Speaking of “flu” has anyone kept up on the latest ebola scare? Not looking good in the admittedly limited experience of a 38 year in the industry former med guy.
    Also, what’s with all the kids being born with no hands, arms, legs, fingers, did thalidomide make a comeback?

    peterAUS I admit I’m a believer, seen too much to deny it, “pray more, worry less.”
    Works for me. My best advice.
    I have no idea if we are approaching the “end of days” as more are out of poverty than ever, but “mental” poverty seems to be exploding.
    All this denial of reality blows my mind, but reality is a bitch and she won’t change.
    Hopefully all these weapons will never be used, hopefully.
    One day in the future, “We can’t attack, we can’t, do you know how much we have invested in the SU-107 which still doesn’t work! Do you? Do you?!!?”

    I always told people to invest in ammo, I was premature. Sticks and stones, that’s where it really is at.

  293. FB says:
    @Incitatus

    Oy vey…Inchworm is in the house…

    To what do we owe this rare pleasure Inchworm…?…you had been laying low quite a while there…licking your wounds no doubt from that last beating I laid on…hoping no doubt the audience here would forget how I showed up your fake claim to be an engineer…LOL…

    Now here Inchworm brings us the news that Russia leads the world in suicide rates…interesting…now one could consult the wikipedia entry on this and see something similar to what you dug out from somewhere [you don't actually cite any sources, but usually your trusty wazoo is your primary source afaik...]

    However that list is only for a single year, 2016…if we look at a world map of suicide rates spanning a two decade period, I think we would agree that this is a more insightful indicator of this particular social problem…

    So we see here from the years 1987 through 2009 that suicide rates in Russia are just slightly higher than in the US…but lower than Japan and a number of European countries…we also note that US rate is higher than that of Canada…and much higher than that of Mexico…

    So based on the Inchworm ‘Theory of Everything’ this means that the quality of life in Mexico must be better than in the US…[actually this may not be far from the truth]…

    We also note in that same wiki article that there is a second chart shown here…

    Here, we see that Russia, according to 2017 data is actually BEHIND the US in suicide rates…sitting at number 30…vs number 28 for the US…the European Union is also ahead of Russia [and the US] in this chart…

    We note the sources for that chart are the CDC for the US…and for Russia it is Rosstat, presumably the government statistics office…links are provided to both citations…

    So…now that we have covered suicides…why don’t we talk a little about opioids…?…[although I understand meth is making a comeback too...]

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  294. peterAUS says:

    ..we have exactly one hope..

    ..pray more, worry less..

    O.K.

  295. FB says:
    @Incitatus

    Oh and since we are now talking about social issues [LOL...the strong suit of that paradise of tranquility known as the US...]

    Came across this interesting piece in the news today…

    300 Police Officers Fired in Russia After Complaints from Citizens

    Now I’m sure this happens all the time in the ‘land of the free’…for instance this guy who posted this youtube video of a cop who pulled his gun on him while the [white] man was working on his boat in his driveway…

    I’m surle this ‘polic officer’ was promptly fired after this video was posted…LOL…enjoy Inchworm…it’s quite riveting ‘cinema verite’…LOL…waiting for your ‘critique’…LOL

    Oh and if that poor guy seems a little scared…well it seems US cops are on a rate of 1,000 civilian killings per year…

    We see that includes 2.9 whites per million, so that is over 300 whites gunned down by cops…including this Australian woman killed by police in Minneapolis…

    She made the mistake of calling 911 for help and was promptly shot for her troubles…now that is some kind of policing…

    Ahh…the ‘home of the brave’…the only place on earth where you have about a 200 times better chance of being killed by cops than winning the lottery…

    • Replies: @AWM
    , @Anti_Cult
  296. AWM says:
    @FB

    Come on FB, you never ever call 911! The last thing you ever do is call the real criminals.
    Just handle the perp yourself, (2cnd amendment and all that) and then take him to the hospital in your pickup truck bed (you do have pickup don’t you) by way of the river or the swamp or whatever you have.

    • Agree: FB
  297. Incitatus says:
    @FB

    “you had been laying low quite a while there…licking your wounds no doubt from that last beating I laid on…hoping no doubt the audience here would forget how I showed up your fake claim to be an engineer…LOL…”

    Still hallucinating FB?

    “if we look at a world map…So we see here…we also note… Here, we see that…We note the sources for…now that we have…”

    “We, we, we”? Frustrated monarchal syndrome, complete with amiable hand-waving to peasants? Or dreaded ‘spurned-teacher tethered to a chalk-board’ disorder? Don’t give up hope. US Pharma will find a cure (warning: save your rubles, you’ll need them).

    Impressive graphics. Argument not quite up to the best trolling, but who’s perfect?

    Did you consider Vlad’s recent retirement age increases? Age 65 for men, very liberal. Quite generous, n’cest pas?

    Wait. Isn’t Russian male life expectancy 65.3 years? Retire at 65 and 110 days later welcome the grim reaper?

    Forget the time-worn gold watch and retirement benefits, Comrade. A few gallons of vodka and a nice casket would be more useful.

    “why don’t we talk a little about opioids…?”

    Indeed, a terrible thing. Strange American men live a dozen years longer [77.7 years] than Russian men [65.3 years]. Makes one wonder about alcohol consumption. Whad’ya know? Russia’s right up there at #4. Only Belarus, Moldova, and Lithuania rank higher. Laggard USA is 48th, no competition at all.

    Take heart, FB. With a little effort Russia can clinch the top spot in suicides and alcohol consumption!

    How do you say ‘Chicken Little’ and ‘the sky is falling’ in Russian?

    • Replies: @FB
  298. Anti_Cult says:
    @FB

    Thanks for posting this. It was sad to see how that cop behaved and death of that Australian lady was tragic. It’s happening a lot these days. I was visiting Toronto 7 years ago. I actually saw that their police was not better than ours. A crazy cop(I think he was under the influence of steroid) shot an 18 years old kid with a mental problem in maybe 30 feet away from me. There were 16 cops, they had surrendered the streetcar the young man was standing inside. That kid was fatally wounded by three shots and was dying on the floor as that cop fired six more shots into him then, they went inside and tasered his dead body.

    One good thing was that the citizen filmed it so the cop couldn’t deny it. I’m not able to forget that incident after more than 7 years ago. This is the shooting video:

    From streetcar cam.

    • Replies: @FB
  299. FB says:
    @Incitatus

    Wow…look at Inchworm throwing down…

    He’s pulling out all the stops…suicide…alcoholism…life expectancy…[which is going up btw...as usual your famous wazoo-sourced numbers are off the mark...]

    We note also that Russia now has a POSITIVE natural population growth…the first since 1990…so what happened to all those predictions that Russia was going to just shrink into oblivion…that was a hot topic with Russia haters like you a few years ago…but things didn’t quite go your way…

    Oh well…fact is that all these demographic indices are turning around…Russia now is among the highest fertility rates in eastern and southern Europe…

    The US of course is heading straight down the toilet…with useless inchworms like you making a lot of noise and pooping everywhere, it’s really no wonder…

    Btw…seems you’re trying to pretend some more about your fake engineer credentials…let me remind you…

    Adios Inchworm…you’re actually quite ‘big’ for your ‘size’…LOL

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  300. FB says:
    @Anti_Cult

    Wow…that is very distressing footage…thanks for sharing…

    This is what happens when the police is allowed to trample people rather than serve its citizens…this is why I see a lot of positive things happening in Russia under President Putin…he is holding people in authority accountable…we do not have that in the west…

    • Replies: @Anti_Cult
    , @Anti_Cult
  301. Anti_Cult says:
    @FB

    You’re very welcome FB.

    I totally agree, overall Putin is doing his best. I didn’t like his stands regarding Saudi moderate Head-Choppers and his pension law but I admire what he did to clean up the mess that imbecile Yeltisin and his thugs created in Russia. He also saved Syria from the other Head-Choppers and prevented a very dangerous clash with the US forces.

    BTW, I just saw this and I would like to share it:

    I’m choking, put this bag away from my head, I’m scared of claustrophobia,” Khashoggi said before he died, according to Karaman who shared the information with the Qatari-based news channel Al Jazeera.

    “In his interview with the Al Jazeera, Karaman, who is believed to be close to the Turkish government, said the strangulation of Khashoggi lasted for seven minutes.

    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/11/10/579670/Khashoggi-assassination-audio-tape-details

    • Replies: @FB
  302. Anti_Cult says:
    @FB

    I forgot: Do you see how coward are those police officers? They were still scared of going inside the streetcar and even teaser his dead body after shooting him with 9 bullets. First they could disarm the kid with a 3″ knife without using anything! police Const. James Forcillo was a bodybuilder( what a joke) so he could eat that guy alive. Aren’t these idiots very well trained, very well paid( I was told an ordinary cop’s salary in Toronto is above (140K) and don’t deal with less than %5 of crimes in NYPD deals with? Secondly the cops had a Teaser and they didn’t use till they killed him and used it on poor kid’s dead body.

    This copo was supposed to be suspended till his trail but he was back to work right away.

    “This officer has long had a keen interest in bodybuilding. At one point, dating back to his high school days, the now inactive Forcillo’s Gym website he operated with a friend referenced how his dimensions had changed dramatically. “James has been consistently gaining weight, he started lifting weights two years ago at a weight of 140 pounds, today he tips the scale at 220 pounds while maintaining a body fat percentage of 12 percent. His current 1 rep max in the bench press in approx. 425 pounds.’’

    Look at this guy, who hires these kind of sick arrogant bastards?

    https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/08/30/what_we_cant_know_about_const_james_forcillo_dimanno.html

    • Replies: @Anti_Cult
  303. FB says:
    @Anti_Cult

    Yes, I agree with you 100 percent on the pension ‘reform’…very bad…I think pension age in Russia should be lowered, not raised…and I think Putin in this case is doing the bidding of capitalist interests…

    This is the problem with Russia and what is holding it back…it should stick to a socialist ideology like China does…

    About the police abuse issue…this is becoming a very big issue…I agree with you that it is cowardice and mental sickness that allows individuals to act in such a way…this is what happens when the people do not pay attention…one day we just wake up and we are living in a police state…it wasn’t like this when I was a kid…but then, just about everything was different…

  304. Incitatus says:
    @FB

    “We note also that Russia now has a POSITIVE natural population growth…the first since 1990”

    Great news, FB! Don’t forget to thank US Pharma (Viagra and Cialis).

    “what happened to all those predictions that Russia was going to just shrink into oblivion”

    Strawman. Never made any such prediction.

    “US of course is heading straight down the toilet”

    Really? Are you sure? Open your eyes:

    Russian Total Fertility Rate: 1.61 children born/women [US 1.87 children born/women];
    Russian Birth Rate: 11 births/1000 population [USA 12.5 births/1000 population];
    Russian Death Rate: 13.5 deaths/1000 population [USA 8.2 deaths/1000 population];
    Russian Net Migration Rate: 1.7 migrants/1000 population [USA 3.9 migrants/1000 population];
    Russian GDP $4.008 trillion [USA GDP $19.39 trillion];
    Russian GDP per Capita: $27,800 [USA $59,500];
    Russian Population: 142,257,519 [US 326,625,791].

    Hold your nose as you swim?

    “Russia haters like you”

    Moi? You’re mistaken. Love Russia. Regardless of Joe’s friendship with Adolf in ’39. We all make mistakes. Poles might disagree, of course, but who cares?

    The only hateful augury in evidence is your bogus ‘US sky is falling’ mime. You know, your “straight down the toilet”, “rotten foundations”, “shithouse [about to] collapse” routine. As phony as your engineering knowledge.

    Time for a troll-school refresher course?

    • Replies: @FB
  305. FB says:
    @Incitatus

    Thanks for the ‘tale of the tape’ Inchworm…

    But like a noted practitioner of the sweet science once pointed out…the contest isn’t fought on paper…

    Anyway…the point is that Russia is moving in the right direction…all of those demographic problems that plagued the country in the aftermath of the USSR collapse have turned around…and are still turning in a positive direction…it’s the trend that is the pointer…not simply a static snapshot like you are trying here to imply…

    Anyway…it’s pretty funny that you are now pretending that all those dire demographic predictions we heard about Russia for all those years…well they simply didn’t happen, right…?…sorry…my mistake…I must’ve been thinking about disneyland…LOL

    And I love your protestations about not being a Russia Hater…sure thing Inchworm…we ‘believe’ you…LOL…that’s why you answered my comment about Russia’s technology lead and academic output with digs about Russian social problems…right…?

    Makes perfect sense…

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  306. Incitatus says:
    @FB

    “I love your protestations about not being a Russia Hater”

    Kindly quote my hate speech.

    “you are now pretending that all those dire demographic predictions we heard about Russia for all those years…well they simply didn’t happen, right?”

    Strawman. Never made, never promoted said predictions.

    “the contest isn’t fought on paper”

    Really? This began with your words [#284]:

    “The US is a funhouse of mirrors…[Half] not able to scrape together $400…REAL [20 percent] unemployment…toil away in [19′th century Dickensian conditions]… gives the worker nothing…no job security, no medical…nothing…exploitation of humans…in the US is that it is mostly temp agencies that hire workers for these plutocrats…debt slavery…giant Ponzi Scheme which is going to come crashing down spectacularly…how far the exploitation of humans has sunk to in the United States…ponzi economy…US whose foundations are so rotten that it is just a matter of time before the whole shithouse collapses…That’s the reality…”

    You’re the “hater” waging paper war with “dire predictions”, FB. USA a collapsing “shithouse”, “Russia…this great power”?

    Called to account with metrics (“reality”), the best you have is:

    “the point is that Russia is moving in the right direction… it’s the trend that is the pointer”?

    You mean “it’s the thought [not fact] that counts”? Learn that in engineering school?

    LOL indeed.

    • Replies: @FB
  307. FB says:
    @Incitatus

    [Too much use of profanity may get your entire comment trashed, so do so at your own risk.]

    Shut the fuck up Inchworm…you’re a fucking fraud who claimed to have some kind of ‘expertise’ in structural engineering…yet was proved to be a fake…unable to solve even a basic wind load problem that any engineering student could solve…

    Now you want to waste my time with fucking word games here…I answered here on this thread a useless fool who knows nothing about technology or technical matters and who lives in the delusion that the US is the world’s ‘technology’ leader…a complete joke…

    I pointed out that Russia has been the only country to take humans into space for the last seven years…including Americans…I could add to that the core of the ISS is Russian tech…the core command and control module Zvezda was built as Mir 2…without Zvezda the rest of the ISS becomes space junk…so in the most challenging technology of all, Russia is clearly far ahead of the US…

    I also pointed out that Russia is leading the world in nuclear energy technology…namely fast neutron tech, which promises to nearly eliminate the problem of nuclear waste…Russia also has an overwhelming position in the global nuclear energy market…and has orders or is building 39 power plants around the globe…China is a distant second with 15…US is nowhere in this huge industry…

    I also pointed out that Russia has made a huge breakthrough in airbreathing propulsion with the scramjet engine…ie superonic combusting ramjet…which allows an airbreathing engine to fly beyond the ramjet limitation of about Mach 5…this is hugely significant…it will prove as significant as the advent of the turbojet engine in replacing piston props…again…the US is nowhere and in fact when the Russians flew the world’s first scramjet in 1991, they invited a team from Nasa to participate in several flight tests…a very big boost for the nonexistent US scramjet program…

    I have worked in aerospace a very long time…Russian engineers are the world standard…the US is simply not in the same league…assholes like you don’t like those kinds of realities so you come back with things like ‘alcoholism and suicide’…shows that you are butt hurt about the realities mentioned above…why don’t you argue against those points instead of going off on suicide rates…who the fuck cares you dimwit…

    Your bullshit has nothing to do with technology…you have trotted out the old demographic ‘horror’ story which the US media was for years harping on about…some commenters here still cite that canard…even though the situation has turned around as I noted and continues to improve…that’s how thoroughly this propaganda has been drilled into people’s heads…[also you used wrong figures that aren't up to date]…

    If you want to harp on that bullshit go ahead…it only proves what a shithead you are…the US has far worse social problems…large swaths of the US live in third world conditions…

    You are shockingly limited…your own prejudices limit your ability to demonstrate any kind of useful knowledge or action…a complete loser…you bring absolutely nothing to this discussion, which is about a possible war that the US may launch against Russia…the reason being a looming collapse of the US ponzi economy based on exploiting the rest of the world by means of the dollar as trade currency…a regime whose days are clearly numbered…

    So yeah…the shithouse US is on its way out…and guess what…most of humanity can’t wait…even most of the ordinary folks within the US…many of whom are good honest folks…unlike flim flam artists like you…these good folks are hoping and praying for this oligarchy to come crashing down…never in history has such a disgusting collection of psychopaths and tyrants trampled over an entire population…and much of the world as well…it’ll be good riddance…

  308. Incitatus says:

    “Shut the fuck up Inchworm…fucking fraud…fake…waste my time…fucking word games…useless fool…complete joke…assholes like you…you dimwit…what a shithead you are…you are butt hurt…a complete loser…You are shockingly limited…your own prejudices limit your ability…flim flam artists like you…”

    Tisk, tisk. Such language! Learn that in engineering school?

    Deep breath, FB. You need to stay calm. Think ahead. You deserve the 110 days of retirement Vlad wants for you before departing life age 65.3.

    “Your bullshit has nothing to do with technology…”

    Technology? Reread your words [#284]:

    “The US is a funhouse of mirrors…[Half] not able to scrape together $400…REAL [20 percent] unemployment…toil away in [19′th century Dickensian conditions]… gives the worker nothing…no job security, no medical…nothing…exploitation of humans…in the US is that it is mostly temp agencies that hire workers for these plutocrats…debt slavery…giant Ponzi Scheme which is going to come crashing down spectacularly…how far the exploitation of humans has sunk to in the United States…ponzi economy…US whose foundations are so rotten that it is just a matter of time before the whole shithouse collapses…That’s the reality…”

    What’s that got to do with “technology”? Suffering troll-rant postpartum disorientation?

    “the US has far worse social problems…large swaths of the US live in third world conditions…”

    Comprehension not what it should be? Re-read the metrics:

    Russian Male Suicide World Rank: #1 [USA #38];
    Russian Alcohol Consumption World Rank: #4 [USA #48];
    Russian Male Life Expectancy: 65.3 years [USA 77.7 years];
    Russian Total Fertility Rate: 1.61 children/women [US 1.87 children/women];
    Russian Birth Rate: 11 births/1000 [USA 12.5 births/1000];
    Russian Death Rate: 13.5 deaths/1000 [USA 8.2 deaths/1000];
    Russian Net Migration Rate: 1.7 migrants/1000 [USA 3.9 migrants/1000];
    Russian GDP $4.008 trillion [USA GDP $19.39 trillion];
    Russian GDP per Capita: $27,800 [USA $59,500];
    Russian Population: 142,257,519 [US 326,625,791].

    “never in history has such a disgusting collection of psychopaths and tyrants trampled over an entire population”

    Are you sure? What about Joe’s Holodomor ’32-’33? Up to 7,500,000 intentionally starved to death? Come on, being modest again? Got to admit, that’s hard to beat. Joe tried again in the Great Purge ’37-’38, of course, but only managed to kill another ±1,200,000. Then there’s Let’s-Share-Poland in ’39 and Didn’t-See-It-Coming in ’41. Oh well, what’s the saying? ‘Practice makes perfect’? Shostakovich was on to something in Symphony #10.

    “unable to solve even a basic wind load problem”

    Your only wind problem is prodigious, elephantine, and truly titanic flatulence. Careful with matches and open flame [second warning].

    Admire Russia, never disparaged Russian technology or Russian engineers. You, on the other hand, mock the US with dire prophecy. Vomit bogus troll nonsense. All unsubstantiated.

    What’s “technology” for, FB? Lifting Russian pride when you die a dozen years earlier? Make you feel better about alcohol consumption, suicide and half the US GDP per Capita? Give us a hint.

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