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Why, Democrats have been asking, do so many poor white people vote for a Republican Party that doesn’t care about or do anything for them? The most common reply is: Democrats are snobby coastal elites who talk down to them. Classic example courtesy of former President Barack Obama, who said of voters in the Rust Belt: “They get bitter. They cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment, as a way to explain their frustrations.”

Democrats know their arrogance pisses off the working-class whites they need to win national elections. Yet they persist.

Every day sees some op-ed Ivy-educated columnist opining that voting for Donald Trump means you’re a Klansman and another Democratic National Committee-fed talking head pontificating about the masklessness at the president’s rallies with the bloated tone of a Roman tribune announcing stunning news that no one had ever heard before.

Now the Democrats are at it again, setting the stage for yet another surprise loss. Because, yes, they just lost again. When you expect a “blue wave”; when you’re running against a president who lost hundreds of thousands of citizens and tens of millions of jobs the year of the election ; when you expected to pick up tons of seats in the House and take back the Senate and none of that happens and you just barely win the presidency in a squeaker, you basically got your butt kicked.

Humility is in order. But it’s not on the menu.

“You chose hope and unity, decency, science and, yes, truth … you ushered in a new day for America,” Vice President-elect Kamala Harris told attendees at her victory party. And the 73 million Americans who voted for Trump? By inference, they must have voted for hopelessness and division, indecency, superstition and, yes, lies.

Biden had a similar message in his last pre-election closer. “This is our opportunity to leave the dark, angry politics of the last four years behind us,” Biden said. “To choose hope over fear, unity over division, science over fiction. I believe it’s time to unite the country, to come together as a nation.” Biden won. But 73 million people voted for those “dark, angry politics of the last four years.” Those voters thought Trump offered them more hope than Biden. They didn’t want to unify under the Democrats.

We all have to live together in one country until there’s a second Civil War. We don’t have to think the same or look the same. But in order to function as a society, we do have to understand one another. Liberals do not get Republicans or understand where they’re coming from. They don’t even care. Until that attitude changes, Democrats will keep losing elections they ought to have won and will find it impossible to achieve tolerance from half the populace, much less consensus.

ORDER IT NOW

I’m a leftist. But I called the 2016 election for Trump early that year, not because I’m smart but because I’m from Dayton, Ohio. I watched my hometown devolve from an industrial powerhouse into a Rust Belt hellscape that eventually became ground zero for hopelessness and urban decay in the national opioid epidemic. International competition was inevitable. But deindustrialization powered by job-killing free-trade agreements like NAFTA and the World Trade Organization was federal policy dreamed up by Republicans and enacted into legislation by Democrats like former President Bill Clinton — and that’s how American politicians killed places like Dayton in the industrial Midwest and across the country.

My blood boiled when Democrats admitted that NAFTA would kill American jobs but, hey, new jobs in Mexico would open new markets for American goods. Such an idiotic argument. After the factories closed in America, who would sell stuff to Mexico? China. But my rage paled next to those of men and women who lost six-figure salaries and wound up working as Walmart greeters — all because Democrats like Clinton were funded by contributions from corporations that wanted to sell to American consumers without hiring American workers in order to fatten their profits.

Years passed. More factories shut down. The long-term unemployed went on disability. Those who could find jobs worked for tiny fractions of their previous pay. Tax revenues shrunk. Infrastructure crumbled. Cities entered their death spirals.

No one cared except the people who lived there.

Deindustrialization never became a political issue. Republicans and Democrats agreed that free trade was a good thing. The New York-based press ignored the rot and the misery in the country’s heartland. Only two politicians on the national scene acknowledged it: Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump. After the Democrats kneecapped Sanders, that left Trump as the only candidate who understood that the part of America that let working people send their kids to college had been pretty great but no longer was. He didn’t offer a credible reindustrialization policy. As president, he didn’t do much beyond provoke a trade war with China to address the issue. But he acknowledged the Rust Belt, and for the people who lived there so long, ignored and dismissed and derided, that was enough.

Democrats still don’t get it.

 
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  1. This is an accurate column, as far as it goes. The Democratic Party sold out the working class under President Clinton, who at least feigned concern. His wife, the Obamas, Biden, et al., don’t even do that, succumbing to their own rhetoric of transgender statues and Confederate bathrooms used to maintain their infantile base.

    But equally gullible are the kids who expect any better from a Trump, or even a Sanders. If the characters left outside the Neolib Democrats cared about their fellow Americans as such, they would coalesce and fulfill what Sanders ran on pre-2020, and what Trump promised in his 2017 inaugural address. They won’t. They’re part of the Red + Blue puppet show, each keeping their assigned portion of the flock voting in the next Most Important Election Ever. Because participatory assent is how the Establishment channels and periodically blows off dissent. Sadly, it just received over 140,000,000.

    Anyone who wants something different needs to stop voting and persuade others to do so.

    • Agree: nosquat loquat
    • Replies: @Wyatt
    , @meamjojo
    , @botazefa
  2. Notsofast says:

    spot on analysis. as a former lifetime democrat (who hasn’t voted since 2000) i can tell you i will never, under any circumstance vote for the democrats again. this party is not the same party i once voted for, they have been totally co-opted by the neocons and joe biden along with the clintons and obama are directly responsible for this take over. my friends cannot understand this and still vote blue no matter who. the only hope i see is for the dems getting caught red handed rigging the election and the party being blown up into smaller parties. not likely but a man can dream still… at least for a while.

    • Agree: nosquat loquat
    • Replies: @Tony Hall
  3. Wyatt says:
    @Greta Handel

    The thing about Trump is that he pissed off the libs, made them go insane and made younger people realize just how dishonest the media is, how crooked the government is and how control-hungry Silicon Valley is. We’re seeing, in real time, an attempt by people who pretend there was foreign interference in the 2016 election now actively attacking anyone who reveals that those same people actively cheated in the 2020 election. It’s madness, but it’s happening at a time where Americans are still willing to resist it.

    Fuckin’ Alex Jones is out there with Nick Fuentes trying to stand up to the fraud while leftists are saying we need to stay in Afghanistan. For all of Trump’s faults, God bless him for being the right man at the right time. He pulled back the curtain and revealed the rot before it consumed the entire goddamn country.

    Also, obligatory Ted Rall is a libtard.

    • Replies: @Anon
  4. The media, silicon valley, Hollywood, most of Washington, the globalists, the neocon deep state element and many corrupt politicians have done their job well. They have convinced the vast majority of writers to conclude that “Biden won”.

    Nothing could be further from the truth, the rule of law, or the constitutional process.

    The most important recent development is not that “Democrats lost”, but rather that millions of people across the world are having their psychological bubbles burst regarding the civic failure of governments, the civic failure of elections and the rabid avariciousness of the Organized Global Fascist/Corporatist Technocracy and its relentless attack upon the Multi Polar World of Sovereign Nation States.

    While some only see this from the limited scope of a state, or a nation, they nonetheless see it, and they see, for the first time, the true evil of global corporatism, and it’s self appointed overlords – Gates, Schwab, Soros, Fauci, Tedros … the list goes on, but probably only the top 100 need to be removed from power to allow for the work that Trump and his global counterparts had been undertaking as a response to their endless greed and pathological hatred of “the little people”.

    As for who will be the President of the United States in 2021, this is still unknown, but what IS known is that the growing mistrust of government is getting larger by the day. People do not like for their vote to be meaningless. They do not like to be lied to, cheated, stolen from or bullied, and they eventually become fed up. We wait now, as we prepare for what must be done.

    https://roacheforque.blogspot.com/2020/11/the-battle-between-globalism-and.html

  5. Great summary of the “traitors with in”, Mr. Rall. I disagree with you on one point however, that the democrats don’t get it. They get it but their ideology overcomes all reason, including the slightest concern for their fellow Americans.

  6. wwebd said —– In the 1950s, there were lots of people in the USA who wanted the world to stay the way it was. Some of them were good people, some of them were creeps.

    By 1975 or so, they had thoroughly – the good people and the creeps – lost to evildoers—– .

    Things could go the other way, a few decades from now. More or less, in the 70s, the people who hated the USA of the 50s were on the advance, in the 80s they were stymied a little, later on the evildoer Bush and Clinton clans and their lackeys, like poor little Obama, fought for power up above while down below all was confused, Trump then showed up and tried to do the right thing, even if he had not been a good man when he was young—– that is all the more to his credit —— well, it is not about the leaders, it is about all of us.

    None of what happens among the powerful evildoers matters, all that matters in the eyes of God is if an individual human being acts in a just way, with the bravery (if the person is a man) that is God’s gift to men, and with the honesty (if the person is a woman) that is God’s gift to women. You know I am right, whoever you are.

    • Agree: Druid
  7. A123 says:

    expected to pick up tons of seats in the House and take back the Senate and none of that happens and you just barely win the presidency in a squeaker

    Presidential Winners have “Coattails”:

    — Trump’s Populist GOP won +13 Seats in the House.
    — Trump’s Populist GOP flipped both bodies in the NH state legislature (1) going into redistricting.

    This is clear secondary evidence that TRUMP won and Biden lost.

    The Blue Swastika Coup needed so many fake ballots that they had to fabricate hundreds of thousands. To do that in the limited time available, they only marked the Presidential race. The number of “Biden-Harris Only” ballots is so statistically disharmonious it cannot represent actual voting behaviour.

    There are still two peaceful opportunities to obey the will of the voters and the U.S. Constitution:

    -1- State challenges can generate accurate vote results for Trump.
    -2- State Legislations can select Presidential Electors for Trump, ignoring obviously fraudulent results reported by corrupt election officials.

    If both of those peaceful opportunities are lost, it renders the U.S. Constitution void & unenforceable. If this point is reached — The last chance to salvage a peaceful solution would be a Constitutional Convention, but this may be unwarranted optimism on my part.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://ballotpedia.org/Election_results,_2020:_State_legislative_chambers_that_changed_party_control

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  9. Tony Hall says:
    @Notsofast

    the only hope i see is for the dems getting caught red handed rigging the election and the party being blown up into smaller parties. not likely but a man can dream still… at least for a while.

    The Dems are in the process of being caught red handed, a process that the author of this essay seems not to have noticed or grasped. The USA now has two men who see themselves as the legitimate president in an election that remains unresolved except in the hard-line propaganda of media reps covering up for the criminal cabals seizing control of the graveyards of many American Dreams.

    There is the Dominion voting scam that Sidney Powell is doing an excellent job of investigating, interpreting and explaining. Then there is the $400,000,000 from Zuckerberg to privatize the vote counting procedures in favour of Democratic Party cheaters/enforcers/harrassment thugs etc etc who are violating the civility and integrity of this rigged election at every term. These are days of infamy for the USA. After this 2020 debacle the USA is no longer anything even vaguely resembling a democracy. The victims of the election fraud and the media con job to go with it have even had their votes stolen from them. Those who were robbed of jobs, dignity, health etc especially by the Obama-Biden-Clinton mob are facing the permanent impositions of slum dog billionaires that rob, cheat, humiliate and maim average Americans, White, Brown or Purple, at every term.

  10. Anon[267] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wyatt

    I agree with you Wyatt. Ted can’t find his way home from the driveway.

    White working class Americans have been abandon by their Government for a long time. The Federalist Article “Your Politicians Hate You and Think Your Stupid” just uses the COVID BS to illustrate the duplicitous nature of predominantly Democratic Governors and Mayors at this time.

    Trump is a genuine American and truly loves his country and the people who make it America. That cannot be said of any Democrat or most Republicans today. That is why they hate Trump and hate their constituents. Obama may well be the biggest piece of human garbage ever. He hates everyone, White, Black, Asian and everything in between. Just like Hillary and Biden and Pelosi and Romney and the dead McCain and all the other pieces of human garbage that have worked hard to destroy America. It was not an easy task but they have stuck with it.

    The Globalist are $hit eating morons who if they get what they want will be devoured soon after it happens. Mark my words unsustainable realities are well unsustainable. Yes lets set of an uncontrollable chain reaction on the surface of the planet and see how that goes. Ooppss!!!!!!

  11. Anon[267] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    You hit the nail on the head buddy. The longer the times passes after the pseudo-election the more and more proof come forward that Seditious and Treasonous Acts were committed by the Democrats. They should follow the lead of the Dominion Corp and pack immediately and try to disappear.

    If this grievous crime cannot be corrected in a non-violent and civilized fashion which will include imprisonment of the perpetrators which may likely include Obama and Biden then it will be settled by other means.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  12. Rahan says:

    Demoralize the deplorables until they all die; reprogram their kids to be transvestite junkies; replace the lot with imported compliant voters.

    These are the new progressive tactics that mean you don’t NEED to pay attention to the heritage working class. You drive it into extinction and replace it with people who do what you tell them to. Once the population has been replaced by compliants, you don’t even need real elections anymore. You just have some ritualized cheating.

    Trump is the last attempt of the heritage Americans to fight back against their extinction and replacement. It’s a one in a million chance. The process has gone very far.

  13. meamjojo says:

    “But in order to function as a society, we do have to understand one another. Liberals do not get Republicans or understand where they’re coming from. They don’t even care.”
    ———–
    I’m not much of a “liberal” these days but one thing I can say with authority about all the Trump voters I know in daily life and have seen on TV is that they are all fucking STUPID. I mean, truly STUPID with IQ’s struggling to get past average (100?). How do you have a conversation with people who don’t keep up with national news, don’t understand world politics, don’t understand macro economics, don’t understand why and how their jobs are going away due to robots and automation, etc., etc.?

    How do you have an intelligent conversation with people like this:

    The Daily Show With Trevor Noah
    Jordan Klepper Fingers The Pulse – Trump Rally-Goers In Pa
    10/8/2020
    http://www.cc.com/video-clips/f0t7nc/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-jordan-klepper-fingers-the-pulse—trump-rally-goers-in-pa

    As George Carlin famously said:
    “Think of how stupid the average person is and realize half of them are stupider than that.”

    I suspect Carlin was talking about Republicans.

    I say that we need to have a test for people to vote. They would have to pass say 10 random questions related to current events/politics/economics with a 7+ score or they don’t get to pull the proverbial lever. This would go a long way to solving many of our problems.

  14. meamjojo says:
    @Greta Handel

    Stopping voting is a foolish proposal. All it takes is one person to vote for someone and they win if no one else votes. If you choose not to participate, then you can’t complain.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  15. @meamjojo

    This

    If you choose not to participate, then you can’t complain.

    is just the big lie you’ve been told your entire life.

    I can and will complain all I want. Here’s another: dupes like you prevent any meaningful change in the Establishment.

  16. Democrats still don’t get it.

    Sure they do. It’s not as import to get actual votes as it is to count them where it matters. 2018, with a slew of Congressionals seats seemingly firmly in R hands on election night only to be flipped D a few days after, was a dress rehearsal for 2020. It was plain as day even before mail-ballots became a thing, and yet the Rs did nothing effective to guard against it. They truly are the Stupid Party.

    As for a new civil war, it won’t be like the first one, divided neatly along state lines; America’s next civil war will look like Lebanon’s civil war.

  17. Hans says:

    They lost again because they are the more craven and aggressive servant of (((Globalism))) of the “two” parties. The kool-aid recipe is now so strong that they cannot see that Trump’s agenda is far closer to what they are supposed to be advocating than anything belched out by their side.

    They failed to realize Trump’s popularity and apparently believed their own bullshit polling numbers. Hillary was promised a victory in 2016 but the machines weren’t set up to steal sufficiently. They made the same mistake this time and were forced to violate the rules of electronic vote theft and have been caught. It now becomes a civil war situation as no one is buying the horseshit put out the Fox and the rest of the (((Media))).

  18. Now that is funny. I am from Dayton, Ohio and moved back here recently to care for an elderly parent. Got work in a technical startup after doing a gig at a company building industrial automation equipment. Despite de-industrialization there is still a strong technical and manufacturing base here. I lived in East Dayton during my college days when it was a pretty rough white ghetto, and drive through it now from work. It has declined even more since those days and acquired the title “Ground Zero for the Opioid Epidemic”. But in a way I like it, the old industrial ambiance and classic early 20th century architecture. Across the street from my work is the lumber company that sold the Wright brothers the wood for their first airplanes, and it is still in business.

    Last year used my VA loan to get a house in the suburbs for $0 down. Pretty nice 3 bedroom on over half acre near wildlife parks and rural farmlands for $165K. Monthly including property tax is about $1K, a lot better than the condo we had rented. And it’s solid Trump country though we have our hipsters as well. Generally people are polite here and expect that out of you. Never thought I would move back to Dayton but it’s not that bad. The winters are pretty harsh though and last about 7 months out of a year.

    • Replies: @Bolteric
  19. Antiwar7 says:
    @meamjojo

    Your test would include the mildly intelligent, i.e., the people all that stupid RussiaGate nonsense was aimed at. And the mildly intelligent are easily manipulated by the more intelligent.

    Anyone that votes for the two parties at the national level is too stupid to vote, in my opinion. But then you throw out the vast majority of people.

  20. Angharad says:
    @meamjojo

    You are citing a smirking jew, mocking Whites, on a low-rated “show” hosted by one of the most inane, unfunny mischling mongrels every funded by White hating Nation Wreckers.

    We hate you right back.

    • Agree: Druid
  21. Uhm🤔
    “Schratches head, pondering on murcan education”

    How the f#ck do you know tRump lost and the war criminal biDen won? It is not yet decided.
    FFS, if a Norwegian nobody knows more about US election rules then bloody murcan writers and citizens THERE is NO chance murca will ever be anything else then a third world shithole 🍌 republic with nukes.

    • Agree: Curmudgeon
  22. @Tony Hall

    There is the Dominion voting scam that Sidney Powell is doing an excellent job of investigating, interpreting and explaining

    Some of it, yes. However, she relies on a so-called Venezuelan insider who claims Chavez rigged votes. The OAS and EU observers never saw any hint of that. If Chavez rigged votes, why were his 2007 reforms rejected by voters? Why would the masses, who stopped the CIA coup in 2002, vote for opposition parties backed by the CIA? Why would the masses, who were gaining access to medical care and education, vote against Chavez who was giving them the access, and vote for the opposition that wanted to take it away? What has just happened in Bolivia after last year’s coup against Morales is closer to Venezuela’s political situation than the US propaganda machine would ever allow.

    There was a reference to US diplomatic cables regarding voting machines. Close reading of the cable shows that it refers to the “elite” apparently being behind the development. It is the “elite” who have opposed Chavez and Maduro for over 20 years. Venezuela is being made a scapegoat so further actions can be taken against it to install the extremely unpopular CIA poster boy Guaido (or is it guano?).

    I have little doubt that there was voter fraud on both sides, but the case against the DNC, even without the seized servers, is compelling. It needs to stop. Powell should stick to the facts of the actions of fraud, not the political commentary.

    • Replies: @Notsofast
  23. @A123

    — Trump’s Populist GOP flipped both bodies in the NH state legislature (1) going into redistricting.

    Yet magically, Biden “won” New Hampshire.

  24. botazefa says:
    @Greta Handel

    Anyone who wants something different needs to stop voting and persuade others to do so.

    That’s exactly what Ted Rall was recommending a few columns ago.

    My question for you is, how does not voting solve the problem? In a hypothetical world, if literally no one votes in the next election, what do you predict would happen? Literally zero votes. What does that achieve?

    Please be specific in your answer. All I can see happening if no one votes is that those in power remIn in power.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    , @OutsideMan
  25. botazefa says:
    @meamjojo

    I say that we need to have a test for people to vote.

    Liberal sanctimony claiming intelligence, concluding by suggesting poll tests that would eviscerate the liberal constituency.

    We’ve come full circle.

    Sure, let’s have IQ tests for polling. I’m comfortable with the outcome of that.

    • Agree: Druid
  26. @Tony Hall

    What Sidney Powell is doing is not getting the job done. If you are a really good lawyer, you file lawsuits and do your talking in Court and not to the press.

    I can’t even find a strategy from the Trump lawyers that ends in a Trump legal win.

    I am not even sure that Trump is the actual Plaintiff in any of these cases. Remember Bush v. Gore? Where is Trump v. Biden?

    And this time around one case won’t get it. Trump needs to flip at least three states and possibly four. That means three or four lawsuits in different states that can be linked in an appeal to the Supreme Court. Where are these suits and where are the heavy hitting lawyers with the manpower and bucks to do this?

    Sidney talks about her little team. Little teams seldom win in court against Goliaths in cases like this.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  27. Notsofast says:
    @Curmudgeon

    the venezuela angle is what bothers me as well. paul craig roberts just wrote about this 3 days ago suggesting the cia may have planted a mole in the legal team to use disinformation to discredit the entire investigation. the next day he retracted this as he read the leaked cables from 2006. your point of chavez losing the 2007 reform vote backs up your view that the machines were used against them by rightwing elites trying to regain power. does venezuela still use these machines? curiouser and curiouser.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  28. Sulu says:

    you just barely win the presidency in a squeaker

    Not yet, I think. Not yet. Just recall the 2000 election. The Supreme Court still has to rule.

    Sulu

  29. Anon[672] • Disclaimer says:

    All libs have to do is sit back and not show their hand. Demography will hand them America and the West. Republicans have never won any demographic other than white people (including Cuban exiles). Affirmitave Action guarantees for all non-whites assure ethnic minorities will vote Democrat unless the candidate really is pretty awful at campaigning.

    In 12-16 more years America will be 75% electorally blue. The elected officials and government employees in fedgov will continue to be overwhelmingly white for the next 2 decades. Then, when the boomers are all gone and GenX is elderly, the Deep State itself will finally start becoming diverse. Many professional whites might be looking to leave by then, but there wont be anywhere to go. A type of racial communism is now our inescapable future. Im sure those here then will strive to make the country get along well and get on well.

  30. Notsofast says:
    @Tony Hall

    i hope you are right on this, although curmudgeon makes a good point on the venezuela angle. i worry that the mockingbird media will be able to smear and memory hole all of this and i doubt there will ever be another chance to call out this system as the neocons will be even more entrenched in both parties. that is if all of this isn’t just political theater to begin with.

  31. @Tony Hall

    Looks like Sidney Powell is out. According to Giuliani she is not on the team. Pretty much means Trump is done if he is not going to argue that there was systemic fraud.

  32. @Anon

    Obama and Biden are nothing but front men. Neither one could lead a one car parade. In any honest court Biden would be held incompetent and unfit to stand trial.

  33. @davidgmillsatty

    Remember Bush v. Gore? Where is Trump v. Biden?

    The state decision that led to BvG didn’t happen until December 8th. Bush filed with the Supremes on Dec 9 when a stay was issued. The case was argued on Dec 11 and decided on Dec 12.

    • Troll: Realist
  34. Here is a webpage depicting the deindustrialization of Dayton- a GM plant that just closed, a Delphi plant at the end of its life, the skeletal remains of a Frigidaire factory: http://www.coalcampusa.com/rustbelt/oh/oh4-rustbelt.htm

  35. @botazefa

    To answer your hypothetical question: if there were no votes cast, the office would be vacated and no one would “remain in power.”

    But the system will have collapsed long before that level of political abstinence. Because the often overlooked effect of voting is on those participating, who sit back and wait to be inevitably disappointed, and then are distracted and controlled by the next Most Important Election Ever.

    • Disagree: botazefa
  36. RAL says:
    @meamjojo

    Can you spot the idiot. He is the one with the mask on wandering around in the great outdoors. Some of those stupid people might jump around and exert themselves spraying a fine mist hence the demise of “Mr. Smart Guy”.

  37. Icy Blast says:
    @meamjojo

    You sound like a typical American TV-addict. It has never occurred to you that TV is not a faithful, objective mirror of reality. You are one of the “midwits” Michael Malice speaks of. Civilization has no chance – there are too many of you.

  38. SteveK9 says:
    @A123

    What we need is legitimate verification of voter status, and paper ballots, counted by hand, with representatives of political parties with a certain level of support, present to verify the vote. This is of course easy to do. Why do we not do this?

  39. @botazefa

    It delegitimizes the completely corrupt ‘electoral’ system, so we all (the whole world included) can stop pretending it (electoral system and the resulting federal gov’t) is anything but what it actually is–a complete farce. Then we can get on with, at the least, an honest national discussion about what to do next. Or, maybe we just revolt against the global (((cabal))). One way or the other, something would have to give way.

    • Replies: @botazefa
  40. botazefa says:
    @OutsideMan

    [Not voting] delegitimizes the completely corrupt ‘electoral’ system…

    Then we can get on with, at the least, an honest national discussion…

    something would have to give way.

    No offense intended, I think that falls into the category of hopey changey magical thinking.

    • Replies: @OutsideMan
  41. @A123

    I was a political science major in college, and I have followed politics in depth for decades (including working on a variety of political campaigns).

    The numbers _always_ tell the story.

    Check out the popular vote for the Democratic candidate for President, 2008, 2012, 2016 and then 2020:

    2008: 69.5M–the first black candidate–massive enthusiasm in the black community

    2012: 65.9M–the thrill is gone, turnout goes down

    2016: 65.8M–black turnout stays low with no black candidate

    2020: 79.8M–This incredibly high turnout was because the Democrats offered a young, articulate, visionary candidate who had huge campaign rallies around the country motivating Democrats to vote

    (Is there _anyone_ on the planet stupid enough to _believe_ _that_ 2020 narrative? Anyone?)

  42. @botazefa

    None taken. I was simply explaining the logic of the tactic as explained to me. I’ve voted 3rd party since 2000 with the exception of 2016, when I voted for Trump; just to throw a wrench into the gears of the machine and a middle finger at the (((cabal))). I disagree with your “hopey changey magical thinking” assessment. If more than 50% (the more the better) of eligible voters declined to participate in the kabuki theater it would get very difficult, even for the corporate propaganda outlets/CIA, to cluck on and on about the ‘greatest democracy in the world’ nonsense, etc. Some gov’ts the JUSA has to deal with may even begin to openly question the legitimacy of a so-called ‘democracy’ that so many of its own citizens had no faith in.

  43. The numbers _always_ tell the story

    I spent 40 years in the IT field, including work with some of the most secure data processing machines on the planet. If I have knowledge of the machine and the software it runs, and access to it, especially physical access, I will be able to modify the data within and you will never be able to prove that I did so. The only proof that will remain will be statistical analysis of the data itself.

    Is there _anyone_ on the planet stupid enough to _believe_ _that_ 2020 narrative? Anyone?

    Apparently, such people are easy to find. Many of them post on Twitter.

    There must be some level of the Propaganda Pyramid, above which the players are well aware that the narrative they are pushing is BS.

    I can’t help but wonder about the talking heads on the TV and how much they really know. I watched Obama, who must be near the top, categorically deny the obvious election fraud. What a cool, collected, smooth-talking liar.

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  44. @Scut Farkus

    I knew someone very well who became a news announcer on a network TV station in a major market.

    He was very articulate, handsome, fit the demographics of the local TV audience.

    He had one more attribute that was key–he was very very ambitious–a true sociopath.

    He would say _anything_ if it would help his career.

    He actually did not care whether it was true or not–it just did not matter to him.

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  45. @Justvisiting

    One more anecdote.

    A couple of decades ago I worked in a corporation in a highly specialized field that was understood by very few folks, and none of those were in senior management.

    The accounting department did not understand the business either.

    They generated a report that was presented to the President and the Board of Directors that was absolute and total garbage. However, the only way anyone would know that is if they had an in depth knowledge of the business.

    Debunking the nonsense would have been a quick career-ender, since the accounting folks had the “political clout” in the organization.

    So–anyone who knew anything kept their mouths shut. Eventually all of us very quietly moved on to other pursuits. Many years later (after we were all gone) it blew up in their faces. They never knew what hit them.

  46. @Notsofast

    I don’t know if the machines were,or were not used against him. I was looking at it from PCR’s comment about the diplomatic cable. https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06CARACAS2063_a.html

    The Venezuelan-owned Smartmatic Corporation is a riddle both in ownership and operation, complicated by the fact that its machines have overseen several landslide (and
    contested) victories by President Hugo Chavez and his supporters…

    Read the cable carefully. It is packed with weasel words and innuendo that Chavez had the machines rigged. Note that until the last Venezuelan election, the EU and OAS observers, along with Jimmy Carter’s crowd all said the elections were free and fair.
    The 2007 loss, as I recall reading, was due to Chavez’s party doing a poor job of explaining the reforms, and the opposition parties hammering at half truths. That the loss was close would be indicative that the referendum was free and fair.

  47. Bolteric says:
    @Elmer T. Jones

    Good to hear something can be salvaged and enjoyed furthermore. Reminds me of the story of Mike Mulligan and his Steam Shovel, a children’s story no less. But brings me to tears about how many of us are discarded trash and have to find value in ourselves and our livelihood as we picked up all the little pieces.

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