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“Jesus, Ted. All you ever do,” some people tell me, “is complain. We get it — you hate both the Republicans and the Democrats. We don’t like them either. But those are the only two parties that have a chance of winning an election. Stop telling us what not to do. Tell us what you think we should do instead.”

That criticism is fair. If you don’t like something, it stands to reason you think something else is better and you ought to say what it is.

In my defense, people will never build a new political system until the old one is dead to them. Che Guevara said that the masses would not risk the violent upheaval of revolution as long as they still believed the old regime capable of addressing their needs and grievances to any significant degree. Although the elimination of the two-party duopoly in U.S. electoral politics does not necessitate violence, the same inertial principle applies: As long as progressives and other leftists continue to think they can express their political will through the Democratic Party, they won’t create the space for what comes next.

So job one is to drive a stake through the corpse of the Democratic Party. Much of my work these days is dedicated to my belief that the Democratic Party is where progressivism and liberalism go to die. I am out to convince as many people as possible to get real, dump the Dems and move on. Articulating the platform of a new third party or revolutionary movement before enough progressives and leftists have given up on the Democrats would put the cart before the horse.

It would also be arrogantly undemocratic. No one person, certainly not a 57-year-old cis white male political cartoonist, can or should write a program for the future of an entire society. We all have to do that together.

If you’ve been reading my work for a while, you know that I think nothing short of revolution is adequate to address the radical problems faced by Americans and by humanity, beginning with the climate crisis. The profit imperative of capitalism is inherently corrupting; it hobbles all efforts to move toward a sustainable relationship with the planet. But no one can make revolution. It happens or it doesn’t. What to do in the meantime? Specifically, for us now, what, if anything, should we do with our vote this November?

The most compelling argument for electing Joe Biden and Kamala Harris is harm mitigation, with a view toward preventing a second Donald Trump administration, cleaning up the mess from the last four years and governing better than Trump would have.

I don’t find this argument compelling. History shows that presidents rarely accomplish anything of substance during their second term. Trump would probably be the same.


Not only did former President Barack Obama fail to clean up the mess he inherited from former President George W. Bush; he codified and expanded it: He told CIA torturers not to worry about being prosecuted. He expanded the assassination drone program. He sent more troops to Afghanistan and Iraq. And he continued Bush’s policy of austerity for distressed homeowners and the unemployed with giant cash giveaways to the big banks. Likewise, former President Bill Clinton didn’t do anything to reverse the Reagan revolution; he went further right than the Republicans dared with “welfare reform,” Joe Biden’s devastating crime bill targeted at minority communities, NAFTA and the WTO. Given Biden’s half-century record of neoliberalism and his refusal to apologize for any of his crimes, it would be ridiculous to assume he would govern as anything other than a Republican.

After you accept the reality that a Biden administration would probably be even worse than keeping Trump, the question becomes: Should one vote, and if so, for whom?

There is a long and honorable tradition of voter boycotts throughout the world. This is especially true in countries without vibrant functioning democracies like the United States’. (In a European-style parliamentary democracy, most voters can find a party close to their personal ideological alignment. A two-party monopoly cannot possibly serve 330 million people.)

However, there is a relative dearth of data studying the motivations for people who stay home on Election Day. There is a cultural assumption in the U.S. that non-voters are lazy, apathetic or both. So it’s hard to ask intelligent progressives and other people disgusted with the two major parties to sit it out on Nov. 3, knowing that they will be shamed.

Which leaves the third-party option.

There are two relatively notable third-party candidates this year. Clemson University professor Jo Jorgensen is the Libertarian Party nominee. On the left, the Green Party standard-bearer is unionist and environmentalist Howie Hawkins.

Given that neither candidate is likely to be elected, the main reasons to cast a vote for Jorgensen, Hawkins or another minor-party candidate are to register a protest — I’m not apathetic. Look, I vote — and to build an organization for the future. You can’t keep saying every two or four years, “I would love to vote for a party other than the Democrats or the Republicans, but the other parties are too small,” unless you actually do something to make one of those other parties bigger . That means voting for them. That means contributing money, not two years from now, not four years from now, but now.

I have not yet decided whether to vote for Hawkins or someone else. I do know that I won’t be voting Democratic or Republican. I’m against both parties. Both parties kill innocent foreigners with abandon. Both parties neglect the poor. Neither party cares about the planet.

Why should I vote for a party I disagree with on almost every fundamental issue?

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  1. And neither party cares about White European interests, one just lies better about it? Your climate hoax fixation and TDS seem to make you a ripe candidate to vote Democrat. When you want to address what I mentioned above get back to me. But we both know it will be a cold day in hell before a party advancing European descended people’s interests are allowed.

  2. mijj says:

    a vote for a War Party is a vote wasted

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  3. Why did Claudius name Nero as his successor?

    One persuasive theory is that he wanted a Julio-Claudian Emperor so objectionable that Rome would realize how corrosive their two-headed political dynasty had become. If that’s true, it was the most significant and successful of Claudius’ largely overlooked contributions.

    Perhaps the key to real change is maneuvering the wrong person into upholding a status quo.

    I’ve been a faithful idealist of voting with your conscience ever since I came of age. That’s eight presidential elections in which I used my vote in exactly the way that author recommends. And also eight principled failures, and at least five times I was accused of stealing the election for the opposition (on both sides), and a steady slide from bad to worse as far as the political leadership and condition of the country is concerned.

    Personally, I’d say vote for Kanye. I think he offers everything that Trump offers, with extra surreal outrage and a side order of satire about solving our racial issues through increased representation. I’m on the fence about how manipulable he’d be, though; does his instability make him more or less likely to ultimately serve the purposes of the real powers? Either way, he’s unlikely to garner much in the way of real support and momentum. He can’t even get his own family behind him.

    So it looks like the smart choice is Trump again. Because the last thing we need right now is a president that will keep people believing that everything is going to be more or less OK.

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
  4. jsinton says:

    This apple orchard has too many diseased trees producing too many rotten apples. Better to chop it all down.

  5. The Only Wasted Vote Is a Vote Not for state secession. FIFY

    The Fed Gov needs to disappear. The states should become independent countries, each with a different slant on what governance means. In short order, these experiments will reveal what works and what doesn’t. People will vote with their feet which is the ultimate vote.

    • Agree: Ann Nonny Mouse, Bro43rd
  6. Rahan says:

    In a European-style parliamentary democracy, most voters can find a party close to their personal ideological alignment.

    Especially so in Eastern Europe, which is, with some exceptions such as Belarus, a region of “liberal democracy circa 1980s-1990s West” in the sense of free speech, but with an enormous, yet pretty functional choice of political representation.

    Take a look at the parties and their levels of realistic success in:

    Note how:
    a) The whole spectrum is represented–far left, center left, center liberal, center right, far right. You’ve got nationalists, far right people, liberal centrists, socialists, communists, monarchists, everything.
    b) Minorities have their own parties. A US equivalent would be a Hispanic party and a Negro party which clearly state what they fight for, and then get their votes, and make coalitions with others in state assemblies and congress. Interest groups having their own parties, as opposed to trying to hijack from the inside bigger parties that are supposed to represent half the nation.
    c) Thus you know what you’re voting for. If you want socialism you vote for socialists, if you want communism you vote for communists, if you want a king you vote for monarchists. Or nationalists, or conservatives, or liberals, or the party of retired seniors. There’s no bait and switch. What you see is what you get.
    d) This fragmentation forces people to cooperate and make compromises. When you have a parliament of half a dozen parties, they form clusters according to overall political alignment, and nobody gets 100% of what they want, but everyone gets something.

    In this environment for example nationalists do not feel they have to shoot up synagogues, mosques, or youth camps. They can instead join a party which has a real chance of getting into power. So instead of being disenfranchised and forced into apathy or violence, they become a party member, then gradually rise through the ranks, maybe become a mayor of some small town, then their party forms a coalition with someone else, and suddenly they’re in parliament.

    Maybe they’re even a minister. Maybe they even participate in international meeting, and you can see them in a photo together with Merkel, Macron, and Trump. And by the time they reach this high position, they’ve smoothed out the jagged edges of their personality, dropped some of the radicalism, and realized that they can for example both fortify their border and refuse to take in a million third worlders, and still cooperate with other countries and political powers, as long as they juggle well various interests and can be presentable and polite.

    Without this political outlet and free speech, the nationalist youth instead starts quietly radicalizing and going nuts. In Eastern Europe, someone of Brenton Tarrant’s passion and determination would have become either a journalist in a completely legal and legit newspaper, maybe even a prole tabloid, or a mayor of something, and then a minister of sports and youth a few years later, or something, and by the time he got there, he would have been a smooth and civil statesman with complete self control and a knack for compromise, because he was not shut out of the political field, but instead was allowed to compete on merit.

    No freezing out, no destroyed life because of his beliefs, no “banks refusing to take his business”, no “sanitary cordon” around his party if it manages to enter parliament. None of this radicalizing b.s. that undermines the very point of free speech and pluralism as safety valves, in order to allegedly “make the world a better place by fighting Adolf Hitler”.

    I suggest to the US voter unhappy with the dual choice, to be scientific and look at the full list of US parties:

    Make a shortlist of what sounds promising, and research this shortlist.

    Who knows, maybe you’ll find not only an interesting candidate for the presidential election, but also a local party worthy of support, whom you’ll from now on vote for during local elections for the state assembly. Diversity in the real sense.

    • Agree: Kouroi
    • Replies: @mark tapley
  7. anon[146] • Disclaimer says:

    In Latin America, where brainwashing methodology is not so far advanced, lots of people will tell you, No party represents me. In the USA, land of manipulation, no such open-ended question is ever posed. Are you on this side or the other side? Which is it? Just like any weasel salesman, the USA pushes you to choose between options you don’t want to keep you from saying no.

    Well, no. No. Fuck you, No.

    The US fights tooth and nail to destroy any party that dares to ask you what you want. The US runs and hides from any form of civil society that gives you a voice: complaints to the Human Rights Council or the IACHR; civil society input to treaty body review; UN special procedures; public participation in UNESCO; individual or organized international solidarity; uncensored public discourse.

    Do not confuse your menu with my choices. I do not want the shit sandwich. I do not want the shit sandwich deluxe. I’m going to firebomb your shithouse restaurant.

    I am not rooting for your team. I am not rooting for the other team. I am not gonna sit in the stands and wave my pom-poms, I am gonna nuke your fucking stadium.

    Fuck your parties. Fuck your elections. Fuck your kleptocracy. Fuck your USA. We’re gonna do to the USA what we did to the USSR: knock it over, rip it apart, wreck its defense industrial base, lock up its looting class.

    You do not vote your way out of a police state. Remember the climactic election that ended the DDR? No you don’t, that’s right, there wasn’t one. The Germans stormed the Stasi. Remember the climactic election that ended the Ceaușescu regime? Nope. That wasn’t an election, it was a firing squad. Remember the triumphant election that freed Slovenia from a disintegrating Yugoslavia? Nope. Remember the election that ended the USSR? Nope, that was a little civil war. The Haspel Regime will not end with elections either.

    • Agree: Kouroi
    • Replies: @mark tapley
  8. JVC says:

    With the exception of the 1968 election, I have never voted for a major party candidate for president, but I have voted each and every election since. Mostly I have supported the Libertarian party (the Ron Paul libertarian party). However,in 2016, I could not bring myself to vote for any of the presidential candidates. Trump’s antiwar campaign was a positive, but long time experience shows that the warfare state always wins no matter who is elected, and some of Donald’s background and character turned me off. Clinton was an obvious no-no, and Jill , while good on some things was a green, and this green new deal will destroy us. The libertarians had a great opportunity to put up a slate that would have made a good inroad against the established parties, but rather chose to run two statists, neither one of whom had any libertarian bonifides at all.

    I’ve come to the conclusion that the constitution as written is how we divest ourselves of this two party monopoly. First–the greatest number of (electoral college) votes is president, second is Vice president–no party affiliation needed (amendment XII) Second, repeal the XVII amendment, and give the responsibility of selecting senators back to the state legislatures. This would insure that senators are responsible to the state’s population and not the big money that owns them now.

    Just a dream that won’t happen, but at my age, who cares. One thing for sure–I’ll be staying home Nov. 3

    • Replies: @Midnight
  9. @mijj

    A vote in forty of the fifty states (that are not in play in a Presidential election) is wasted.

    That is the dirty little secret of modern politics.

    If you don’t live in a swing state it does not matter how you vote.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  10. Antiwar7 says:

    Voting third party is an easy way to make the powers that be nervous, so do it already.

    They’d love for you to stay home, or to vote for either wing (Republican or Democrat) of the ruling party.

    Also, there’s no way I’m giving support to murderers, so that’s another reason not to vote Demipub or Republicrat at the national level.

  11. anon[313] • Disclaimer says:

    The only wasted vote is a vote not made via lethal weapon.

  12. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    There is no 3rd party or candidate.

    A vote not for Trump is a wasted vote
    and ensures the old system lives on.

    Note how hysterical and murderous
    the Old System is fighting.

    • Agree: botazefa
  13. @Sollipsist

    How could it get worse than Biden/Trump? There is no alternative in that choice.

    To extend the Roman history lesson, maybe if the winner of the recent Kentucky Derby was run as a dark horse candidate and won.

    Vote “None of the Above” or anybody other than either of the approved, allowed R/D false binary choice.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Sollipsist
  14. @Justvisiting

    So people in the populous States that vote overwhelmingly Democrat, for example, should vote third-party by the millions. If people would do this, we could muster five to ten million votes for third parties in California and New York alone.

    Green or Libertarian, plus Peace and Freedom Party in California, plus Right to Life or Conservative Party in New York, and so on. This is the way to get major publicity and name recognition for the small parties, and most important, automatic ballot access in the next election without expensive and cumbersome signature-gathering.

    We also need two rounds of voting in general elections. The top THREE vote getters would advance to the second round. Many more would be willing to vote for “third parties” in the first round if they knew that doing so would not “cause the greater of two evils to win.”

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  15. Ted, you should know (and everyone else) that both the Dem. and Rep. at the top are controlled by the Zionist criminal syndicate. The Presidency has been controlled in Jewmerica since The syphilitic puppet actor Woodrow Wilson placed in office in 1910 by using operative Teddy Roosevelt’s 3rd party to knock out Taft who would not go along with the Rothschilds goal of a central bank cartel. His handlers were Bernard Baruch, Eugene Myer and Col. House. Wilson was practically catatonic for most of his second term.

    The Zionists just pick puppet actors to prop up in the front office. Look at the adolescent shabbos goy Trump. He has always been controlled by the Zionist Jews. First job after “he took over” from his father was with the Zionist Jew Pritzkers that had made a fortune in. the Office of Alien Property in the shabbos goy Truman ad. stealing property from the Japanese citizens after Jew flunky FDR had 120,000 of them thrown in concentration camps and confiscated tens of millions in businesses and property. The Jew mob picked it all up for pennies.

    Trump’s current Sec. of Commerce is Zionist Jew Wilbur Ross, former managing dir. of Rothschilds Inc. for 25 years and put together the package that bailed the idiot Trump out of his personal debt of 1.2 billion from his casino fiasco that everyone but him knew would fail. All 4 of his top campaign donors in 2016 were Zionist Jews and still are. This pompous know nothing is owned by the Jews. See his court deposition in 2016 and you will get a picture of what a ignorant phony he is.

    The senile self proclaimed Zionist Biden is the same thing. He has had a career of over 50 years as an obsequious puppet actor for the Zionist Jews. Neither of these cheerleaders for the thugs of Israel could get elected dog catcher in a real honest competition where there were real candidates, not just Hand picked Zionist puppets. Notice that both fake parties are kept about even as they put up a facade about the Russians or the Chinese or the cobbled together impeachment to make the goyim think that their is really a conflict. The Anglo Zionists in Britain were using this tactic long ago.

    In the winner take all system that Jewmerica has it is very hard for a third party to get foothold. You can be sure that if they did reach a viable stage that the Zionists would have that covered too. That is why the Senate is controlled by aIPAC and the other big Jew organizations and very few in the House dare to vote against the big money Zionist Jews. There are even lots of so called Zionist Christians that pour money into these criminals pockets.

    Finally on the issue of the environment that you mentioned. Big Zionist Jew Armand Hammer’s boy Al Gore has been pushing the global warming (I mean climate change) for over 30 years. We always have just 10 more years till doomsday. This fraud was originated by the Zionist elite’s Club of Rome in the 60’s and is such a transparent fraud that they even resorted to putting the mentally deficient looking Greta in Gore’s place. Of course all that has been put on the back burner as the long planned fake virus and staged riots have been rolled out to cover another multi trillion dollar theft by the banking cartel as in the bailout for billionaires of 08-09.

    I suggest instead of focusing on the Presidential Circus that we try to elect real constitutionalists to the House. All bills of appropriation have to originate there and we still have some chance of effecting a change for the better. To keep going down the same path is exactly what the Zionists have laid out for the livestock. As Lenin said, the best way to control the opposition is to lead them.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  16. @anon

    This was all planned. Lenin said that the USSR was a transitionary phase. The only thing that held it together for 70 years was massive agricultural, industrial and financial aid from the west, mostly Jewmerica. They were not only too expensive for the Zionists to maintain but people were finally figuring out the “Cold War” racket.” In those days there were even lots of radio programs railing about the giant factories U.S. Corporations were building like the 30 sq. mile Kama River Truck plant that furnished the trucks for the phony Zionist war in Viet Nam that cost 60,000 Amer, lives. No need to beat a dead horse. After all the profits made by the Zionists while furthering their criminal agenda it was time to move on to 911, WMD’s and the much more flexible and sustainable “War on Terror” for destruction of the Middle East as called for in the Zionist Yinnon Plan for Greater Israel.

    All the Eastern Satellites were allowed to fall too. Russia before its planned collapse was incredibly producing LESS grain than when under the Tzar. Yugoslavia was balkanized and Milosevic eliminated so as not to be a nationalistic impediment to future energy transmission and control by the Zionists. This is the same strategy imployed by the Zionists in the Middle East.

    Russia was then “Piratized” by the Putin regime under the guidance of Harvard Jew Larry Summers and crew. Now that the oligarchs (almost all Jews with half Jew Putin) have scooped up over 30% of the anemic Russian economy, everything is strictly “legal.”

  17. @mark tapley

    You were doing great till your last paragraph, where you decided to use the system to change the system.

    That’s simply never going to happen.

    Instead, push for secession in your state.

    • Replies: @mark tapley
  18. @RoatanBill

    I am in total agreement. The States should exercise their Sovereign power under the Constitution to declare the Zionist National government Null and Void and recind their ratification of the constitution. The problem is we have so many idiot cucks going around that can’t even figure out the fake virus, they will never take a logical course of action such as seceding from the Zionist satellite of Jewmerica.

    As long as the barnyard animals get one meal per day (even vegan) 90% will do nothing until they are submerged in the Neo-feudal system of Agenda 2030-21. At that point resistance will be much harder. I agree that the simple remedy of getting control of the purse strings of the House is very unlikely.

    • Agree: RoatanBill
  19. @Rahan

    Rahan. I don’t think you understand the depth of the problem. Do you think that the Zionist Syndicate that foments the wars, engineered 911, WMD’s, the “War On Terror”, the Kelergi Plan and is now coordinating the fake virus scam with their operatives worldwide is not going to influence some push cart political party. Look at Trudeau, Trump, Macron, Merkel, Johnson etc., Zionists all. Even Hitler was maneuvered into power by the Zionists in order to maximize war profits and fully destroy Germany when they had the minor Communist party (Jews) throw their parliamentary votes to the Nat. Socialists instead of the usual Social Dem. All the so called European “democracies” are really governments run by Jews. They aren’t in the global bankers E.U. for nothing.

    The giant Republican and Democrat parties are firmly in the Zionist grip. When those stalwart Rep. bastions of conservatism seek the nomination they all make the pilgrimage to grovel for shekels from big Jew Zionist Sheldon (Zionism is all I care about) Adelson and the other Rep. Zionists. There is another set of Zionist Jews that fund the Democrat side. Its all the same thing. All the approved candidates have to speak before the CFR knowing they have to have their approval. The Zionists run both sides and control the puppet actors like Trump and Biden.

    Jefferson said that only a moral and enlightened people can rule themselves. Until people learn to be jealous of their liberties and throw anyone out of office who makes the slightest transgression they will continue to fall for rhetoric of whatever demagogue is placed in front of them.

    • Replies: @gay troll
  20. gay troll says:
    @mark tapley

    I don’t think you understand the depth of the problem. Zionism is the root that Christianity is grafted upon.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  21. If the Democrats had just nominated a plausible ticket with any genuine appeal (and not gotten tainted by the rioting), they’d be looking at a likely secure victory in November. I’m voting for Trump (again…although I have never previously voted for another GOP nominee for President), but if I were still a Democrat, I think I’d be pretty pissed off at the DNC for foisting such an uninspiring ticket of losers on the party.

  22. Midnight says:

    The principal perversion is the winner-take-all rule. Without this rule, multiple parties are possible. With it, only a 2-party system can emerge.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  23. A political system is a social system. What is needed is new social system – not one based on inclusion, but on exclusion, exclusion of the uncivilized.

    Our domesticated animals are more civilized than a typical person because they were selectively bred to be.

    SKYNET for President

    If it’s okay to kill some people, why not kill them all?

  24. I see voting third-party as the first vote in the next election. Those votes are ignored on Wednesday morning, but you can bet psephologists– and the consultants they instruct and the candidates who consult those consultants– will be poring over them for years to come.

    But it has to be done right. Local conditions vary. E.g., Henry Wallace and Strom Thurmond got nearly the same number of votes in 1948, but one won 38 electors (and one “faithless”), while the other got none. However, both were successful in reminding their fellow Democrats that their constituencies still existed.

    In my first presidential election, I considered another faithless elector, Libertarian Roger MacBride, and whoever was the Prohibition candidate. That sounds contradictory, but though I opposed prohibition, the rest of their platform was impressively, well… sober.

    But analysts would assume a vote for Dry meant a vote for the 18th again, so I abandoned that idea. It would have been Roger, but Jimmy Carter came to town and persuaded me to vote for Gerald Ford. On the NY Conservative line, however. Third party from the start!

    I broke the streak in 2016, as Trump himself was effectively the real third-party candidate. Like Teddy Roosevelt in 1912, but within the party.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  25. @gay troll

    Once people realize that religion, gods, etc are just witchcraft, then they might come to realize that gov’t is its twin.

    Throne and alter were twins–two vultures from the same egg.
    To attack the king was treason; to dispute the priest, blasphemy.
    The sword and cross were allies.
    Together they attacked the rights of men; they defended each other.
    The king owned the bodies of men, the priests the souls.
    One lived on taxes collected by force, the other on alms collected by fear.
    Both robbers, both beggars.
    The king made laws, the priest made creeds.
    With bowed backs the people carried the burdens of one, with open-mouthed wonder received the dogmas of the other.
    The king said rags and hovels for you, robes and palaces for me.
    The priest said God made you ignorant and immoral; He made me holy and wise; you are the sheep, I am the shepherd; your fleeces belong to me.
    You must not reason, you must not contradict, you must believe.
    Robert G. Ingersoll

    • Agree: Drapetomaniac
    • Thanks: gay troll
    • Replies: @gay troll
  26. @Midnight

    The principal perversion is the winner-take-all rule. Without this rule, multiple parties are possible. With it, only a 2-party system can emerge.

    No it isn’t. The unit rule, as historians and psephologists call it, is pretty much demanded by the math of the system. States that split their votes– Maryland and New York being the poster girls in the 1810s and 1820s– were shut out of influence. They finally joined the others, and New York played kingmaker for over a century. But don’t blame New Yorkers for this, blame their sister states for forcing them to.

    The district system was used by numerous states in the early years, but was abandoned for this very reason. It returned in two tiny states, Maine and Nebraska. Once a state reaches four districts, a candidate can win the state with one, and come out with a 3-3 tie. A net of zero.

    Yes, it results in a two-party system, but the multi-party parliaments of Europe are no less messy or corrupt, and those only work in small, homogenous nations anyway.

    That our system forces candidates to the center is a double-edged sword. The real problem is where that center is. I’d like it to be closer to liberty. So we have to work to move it there. On one issue, concealed carry, we have been very successful in doing that.

    • Replies: @Midnight
  27. @RadicalCenter

    he populous States that vote overwhelmingly Democrat, for example, should vote third-party by the millions

    Yeah, I know–and I _should_ win Powerball every week….still haven’t figured out why that is not happening… 🙂

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  28. Whatever government system happens to be in place will soon be taken over by psychopaths.

    And we all know that the psychopaths have the sheeple’s best interests at heart.

  29. gay troll says:

    I recall reading H.G. Wells assert that the first priests were astronomers, and the first temples were granaries, since the astronomer-priests could predict seasonal changes and thus managed early agriculture. In other words the first temples were banks. Wells says kingship evolved as a means of protecting the priest-bankers from violence. This a symbiosis was formed between the king who protected the bank/temple and the priesthood who evenrually created scriptures to justify the “divine” right of kingship.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  30. Lee says:

    The author said;

    I have not yet decided whether to vote for Hawkins or someone else. I do know that I won’t be voting Democratic or Republican. I’m against both parties. Both parties kill innocent foreigners with abandon. Both parties neglect the poor. Neither party cares about the planet.

    So you will in affect do nothing to address the issues that you cite by voting for an unknown 3rd party candidate who will NEVER,EVER be in a position to change things that matter to you.

    Sorry, your logic escapes me.

    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
  31. @gay troll

    I never knew of the origins of the duplicity, but it was obvious to me that religion and gov’t are two sides of the same coin. They both want obedience from the people so their criminal enterprises can continue on with little trouble.

    The priests conditioned the minds of their ‘flock’ to accept an incredible amount of bullshit as truth. It prepared people to not question things they don’t understand or directly concerns them. That led the way for some warlord to declare that his band of murderers and thieves were actually a protection force for the good of the people they then stole from regularly under a set of rules (law) that they made up to sanctify the theft.

    Why people can’t see that gov’t and religion are the two worst things man has ever invented is a mystery to me. I don’t much care about the imbecility of religion, but gov’t is an entirely different matter. That people vote and pretend that it matters deeply which jerk gets elected is in some sense comical an in another enraging. Year after year, decade after decade the sham goes on and the rubes (voter) never seem to catch on. They play along in a scheme that calls for their children to be sacrificed in war and their labor stolen their entire lives for purposes they have no say over. And yet, they demand gov’t exist because they believe the lie that it’s there to protect them. You can’t fix stupid.

    • Agree: Drapetomaniac
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  32. Midnight says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yes. Allowing winner-take-all means that some states will adopt it and play kingmaker. Then more states adopt wta until we get to our present situation: 48/50 states are wta. Since the Constitution allows states to do what they want in the allocation of electoral votes, we have drifted toward wta and a two-party system.

    The wta (unit rule) cannot be changed at state level. It must come at federal level, probably through constitutional amendment. And why not? The 17th amendment was passed in 1912 to solve a problem that did not exist. The unit rule is a problem, it has existed throughout our history as you point out with the examples of New York & Maryland. Lets get rid of it & remove kingmaker status from California.

    The problem I have with the 2ps is that neither party represents my interests. I share that problem with many millions of other Americans. My extended family is immigrant & proletarian. We are natural democrats. As our collars became whiter we became disenchanted with bureaucratic/cumbersome union rules and began to drift toward republicans, but that was never a natural fit. When the dems spit in our faces & turned their backs on us most of us left the dems except for the air-headed true believers. I am embarrassed every time I am reminded that I am related to AHTB’s.

    A multi-party system is messy. Yup. So is democracy.

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  33. @Midnight

    It must come at federal level, probably through constitutional amendment.

    Only through constitutional amendment. And that ain’t agonna happen. Robert Hardaway argues that even this is itself unamendable, since the EC is based in part upon the Senate, and states’ equal representation cannot be changed through the amendment process.

    Lets get rid of it & remove kingmaker status from California.

    California was a piss-poor queenmaker in 2016!

    And 2004, 2000, and 1988. Should Trump prevail in November, it will be the fourth time in six elections California loses. The last time California’s electors exceeded the winning margin (for the winner) was 1968. California hasn’t been the “tipping-point state” since 1916, when her womenfolk first voted for her 13 electors. Some “kingmaker”.

    I disagree. The EC saved us in 2016. No need to mess with it.

    The wackiest part of the present system is the contingency election setup. Judith Best, who wrote one of the best books on the subject, argues that it was precisely the universal adoption of the unit rule that has prevented that reoccurring since 1824.

    She wrote that in 1974, and it’s still true today.

    The problem I have with the 2ps is that neither party represents my interests.

    Then get to work moving both parties toward your interests. It worked for the other side. It worked for charter- and homeschoolers. And it worked for those packing heat. At worst, you win only one party but nullify the other.

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  34. @RoatanBill

    Political beliefs are beliefs that you employ in hopes of having a better life when you are alive.

    Religious beliefs are beliefs that you employ in hopes of having a better life after death.

    Both are completely useless and a complete con.

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  35. @Drapetomaniac

    All beliefs should eventually correspond with reality when it’s no longer possible to deny it. Decade after decade, the imminent election will change things, but it never does.

    Some religions don’t believe in an afterlife, so I suspect the aim of all religions is to defraud their community of devout believers. That some people think there’s a heaven or hell just goes to show you can find the low IQ in a church.

  36. True believers do make fine patsies.

  37. Midnight says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    HFS!!! I don’t want to get rid of EC. I want to get rid of unit rule.

  38. @SaneClownPosse

    Incitatus would have made an excellent Senator. He succeeded where even Cicero failed; he remained completely honest without ever once criticizing Nero.

  39. Anon[217] • Disclaimer says:

    Since we are tilting at windmills, how about this as a write in:

    William McRaven for President
    Andrew Yang for Vice President

    Or you may flip that ticket if you wish. This is my preference, for today at least.

  40. However, there is a relative dearth of data studying the motivations for people who stay home on Election Day. There is a cultural assumption in the U.S. that non-voters are lazy, apathetic or both. So it’s hard to ask intelligent progressives and other people disgusted with the two major parties to sit it out on Nov. 3, knowing that they will be shamed.

    Which leaves the third-party option.

    I had previously considered sitting home, but after the RNC Naturalization ceremony, in which Trump gave citizenship to a 66 year, retirement age, 3rd world foreign national in hopes of gaining votes, I decided that I will register and submit a protest vote, while also voting for the Democratic senator Barbara Bollier, who promises an end to surprise medical billing, which affected my mother and father.

    I have never voted for any Democrat candidate before, and have no interest in either the Dem or Repub parties, but its long past time to refuse to vote for Repubs who scheme to flood millions of aliens into the nation each year, in exchange for donor cash – The RNC Rebuplicans lost me permanently.

    That ugly RNC run by K Street Lobbyists in which the sale of the states’ citizenship was carried out like a black mass has had a permanent effect on me. While they had hoped to gain masses of black and immigrant votes through their final fire sale of America, the actual outcome is that you cannot be everything to everyone.. and they lost me permanently by that 4 day RNC/K-street televised exercise in betrayal.

    I am writing in Tucker Carlson for President, and voting Democrat Barbara Bollier solely because she champions a policy focused on a issue that gravely harmed my own family. She will be the first Democrat I have ever voted for, but its in spite of the party, and due to her policy, not in support of either monopolistic party.

    The RNC citizenship-for-sale pageant was effective,.. at turning my stomach.

    The long term option would be someone like Tucker starting a 3rd party that opens up with a RICO challenge to the duopoly, likely ineffective due to the fact all judges are Dems/Repubs, and concentrated on a new system that essentially creates permanent party rules to ban all corporate cash or bundled scam cash from its candidates, their families or staff, and immediately ejecting from office and party membership anyone who violates the sworn party rules to remove the incentives to betray the base.

  41. @Reg Cæsar

    A supposed third party that merely slaps another party name on a Republican candidate is not useful.

  42. @Justvisiting

    Not a sound analogy, though.
    Unlike powerball, this is in within our control and not difficult.

    Didn’t say the third party would win the State, just that it would be easy and sensible for people to vote third party rather than cast a certain pointless vote for the major-party candidate certain to lose the state’s electoral votes.

    This is the most realistic, least complicated, least costly way to get millions of votes for a third party and a fourth party. A big boost in name recognition comes with that, as well as automatic ballot access next time around.

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