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President Donald Trump is terrible. Joe Biden is just as bad. In some ways, the Democrat is worse.

You shouldn’t vote for either one.

Trump is erratic and unpredictable, which is dangerous. Even so, Biden is worse than Trump on international relations.

At the center of the president’s worldview is a deep, admirable and prescient skepticism about foreign interventionism. Trump began criticizing the Iraq War soon after it began, when the U.S. invasion was still popular. His critiques continued during the 2016 primaries — have you known of another Republican to campaign against militarism? As president-elect Trump told a room full of service members, “We will stop racing to topple foreign regimes that we know nothing about, that we shouldn’t be involved with.”

Trump signed the first peace agreement with the Taliban; he plans to bring home the last American troops in Afghanistan before Election Day, even sooner than required under the deal. He refuses to be goaded into a new Cold War against Russia, has met with the leader of North Korea and has offered direct talks with Iran — positions far to the left of hawkish pro-war Democrats like Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

Because most Americans are self-centered and unconcerned about brown people in other nations, it’s ridiculous yet necessary to remind you that the Afghans we bomb are real people like you and me; that Iraqis are scarred for life when their children are hobbled by American bullets; that Yemenis cry for their dead blown to bits by American missiles; that our insane decision to turn Libya from the most prosperous country in Africa into a failed state with 21st-century slave auctions is an atrocity; that we have murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people in the last couple of decades for no reason that can be justified under common sense or international law.

The United States is the greatest exporter of death, oppression and exploitation on the planet. Every human being has the duty to oppose it. We who pour our taxes into the U.S. government have the biggest duty of all to fight the war machine. That begins with holding the murderers and their enablers accountable for their — there is no better word — evil.

Wars of choice are not horrors of happenstance, like a tornado. Political leaders vote to slaughter and maim men, women and children, and ruin economies around the globe, leading to still more death. Some politicians are especially nefarious, convincing other politicians to vote for mass murder.

Politicians like Joe Biden.

Most recently, after Trump signaled his willingness to dump U.S.-backed rightist Juan Guaido and meet with Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, a socialist, Biden called Maduro a dictator and pledged fealty to right-wing Venezuelan exiles in south Florida. It was the latest in a long line of foreign policy calls that we have come to expect from a right-wing Republican like former President George W. Bush — yet Biden plays a “Democrat” on TV.

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Branko Marcetic, writing for Jacobin, observed: “He’s registered some antiwar positions from time to time, as when he voted against the first Gulf War or opposed the funding of the Nicaraguan contras in the 1980s. But overall, he’s racked up a track record of supporting overseas adventures.”

Biden, notes Marcetic, pushed for “the 1999 bombing of Serbia, which actually dissolved the local pro-democracy movement and rallied popular support around the country’s dictator.” Biden voted for the U.S. wars against Afghanistan and Iraq. “I voted to go into Iraq, and I’d vote to do it again,” Biden said in August 2003. Now he defends himself by saying he was so stupid that he fell for Bush’s lies about WMDs.

Biden was the guy who convinced Obama to ramp up Bush’s drone assassination program, which kills 50 innocent bystanders for every 1 targeted “militant” — who often gets away and is rarely a threat to the United States, just to our authoritarian allies. Someday soon, Biden’s drone killings abroad will be used to justify killing Americans here at home.

Elsewhere, Marcetic writes: “When Reagan invaded Grenada in 1983, bombing a hospital in the process, Biden said he ‘did the right thing.’ When he bombed Libya three years later, killing 36 civilians and dictator Muammar Gaddafi’s 15-month-old daughter, Biden said, ‘There can be no question that Gaddafi has asked for and deserves a strong response like this.’ And when George H. W. Bush invaded Panama three years after that, an outrageous war to depose a leader who had been a CIA asset and that saw dead civilians ‘buried like dogs,’ as one witness put it, Biden called it ‘appropriate and necessary.'”

A vote for Biden isn’t just a vote against Trump. It’s a vote in favor of Biden’s vote to kill 1 million Iraqis. If we elect Joe Biden, we will send a message to the world: America hates you; we’re glad we killed all those people, and we plan to kill more.

It will also send a message to Biden: Heckuva job, Joe!

 
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  1. meamjojo says:

    Wake up Rall! Get with the program.

    There is only one choice in the Nov election and that is to vote for Biden. Trump is a existential threat, a clear and present danger to the USA as a country and as a system of government.

    If Trump does somehow win in Nov, I wouldn’t give odds on him making it through another 4 years.

    • Disagree: Antiwar7
  2. To many, back in 2016, it was Trump’s foreign policy that put him miles ahead of Hillary (never seen a war I don’t like) Clinton.
    Trump hasn’t lived up to that promise, but all things being relative ….? Rall is right — a vote for that drooling idiot Biden, is likely a vote for more foreign adventure.

    • Agree: Bro43rd
    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  3. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:

    Mr. Rall here has both his heart and most of his facts in the right place. His opening lines

    President Donald Trump is terrible. Joe Biden is just as bad. In some ways, the Democrat is worse.

    You shouldn’t vote for either one.

    and elaboration may help people understand that voting Red v Blue ensures that nothing will change. Beltway politics are puppet show.

    But notice this indication that Mr. Rall still thinks that we just need to vote for better politicians.

    Biden was the guy who convinced Obama to ramp up Bush’s drone assassination program ..

    Can the author or anyone else substantiate this? Tom Engelhardt, who previously had this spot on the Unz columnist roster, often tiptoed around criticism of President Obama, too. It’s a widespread NPRoggy habit, another way in which the Establishment uses race to squelch worrisome conversations.

  4. yurivku says:

    Biden is worse than Trump on international relations.

    Oh, yes, but how good he is in local relations ! How he struggles against racism! Look at him kneeling befor blacks.
    You really need this guy, forget about the othe world, fvck it.

  5. Bro43rd says:

    FWIW, as a protest vote Jo Jorgensen, the LP candidate, is definitely antiwar, anti-interventionist & pro small government. She’s got cred as the late great Harry Browne’s vp running mate.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  6. Ted: Duhhh. Ya think?

  7. There is a need for some “prescient skepticism” if the developing crisis between the US and China is to be stopped from turning into open war – world war. Whoever wins the 2020 election will need to see the writing on the wall: that the crisis we are in is not a re-run of the Cold War but the start of the Hot War that the superpowers succeeded in avoiding for half a century. Unfortunately, the signs are not encouraging.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

  8. I don’t see eye to eye with Rall on much, but this is spot on. Here’s the scorecard so far in regime change wars started by the last 2 Presidents:

    Obama: 1
    Trump: 0

    I could actually add another one to Obama’s column in that the long-legged mack daddy completely transformed the Afghan mission into a nation-building exercise designed to introduce feminist encounter groups to Kabul. That new mission required a huge troop surge, which Obama duly ordered.

    It is funny to hear Biden supporters twist themselves into pretzels over his warmongering. Just the other day some Biden supporter said that the Gaddafi hit was really about his own people turning on him, which runs counter to all of the actual facts surrounding that intervention. No NATO and Gaddafi’s still in power.

  9. @animalogic

    “Trump hasn’t lived up to that promise”

    Well, no withdrawals from
    Syria oR Afghanistan. But no new wars.

    That last reason is why the military has turned against him. He is cutting off the need to spend trillions on new toys for them.

  10. Antiwar7 says:

    This is so correct:

    Because most Americans are self-centered and unconcerned about brown people in other nations, it’s ridiculous yet necessary to remind you that the Afghans we bomb are real people like you and me; that Iraqis are scarred for life when their children are hobbled by American bullets; that Yemenis cry for their dead blown to bits by American missiles; that our insane decision to turn Libya from the most prosperous country in Africa into a failed state with 21st-century slave auctions is an atrocity; that we have murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people in the last couple of decades for no reason that can be justified under common sense or international law.

    The United States is the greatest exporter of death, oppression and exploitation on the planet. Every human being has the duty to oppose it. We who pour our taxes into the U.S. government have the biggest duty of all to fight the war machine. That begins with holding the murderers and their enablers accountable for their — there is no better word — evil.

    Everyone needs to be aware of this. This is THE most crucial issue in American politics.

    Trump is not great: he can’t stand up to the swamp, he’s too belligerent against Iran and China, and too pro-Israeli-government. But he’s better than both Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden, two evil warmongers of the first rank.

  11. jsinton says:

    President Trump is an absurdly corrupt oligarch nincompoop carnival barker. The President is a reflection of American political values. But the NWO order hates him, and deep state is positively hysterical to get rid of him. My guess is that he won’t go to war on cue, that he’s managed to kill fewer people than his predecessors, and that’s why they hate him so much. I’ll probably vote for the man.

    • Replies: @HarvardSqEddy
  12. TG says:

    Well said.

    Trump is Bozo the Clown. Biden is a less intelligent emperor Nero.

    Trump has not made the country better. Biden is why it’s so screwed up and corrupt in the first place.

    • Replies: @Derer
  13. MarkinLA says:
    @meamjojo

    Trump is a existential threat, a clear and present danger to the USA as a country and as a system of government.

    Well you have memorized the talking points. If you aren’t trolling us, maybe you can explain exactly how he is a threat.

  14. Ko says:

    “Trump is erratic and unpredictable, which is dangerous. Even so, Biden is worse than Trump on international relations.”

    You ever looking to cross a busy street and suddenly notice something that made you pause to look a little closer? That’s what Ted’s observation means to me as I was quickly scrolling over UR to the end so I could then get on with more time killing activities before I finally put off writing for the day. I suck at self-discipline and three years working part-time on a book is draining me.

    Still, Ted, thanks for that headline. Yet, I’d wager all of your money on a long shot that of outside of earths atmosphere every living being alive knows that Biden is worse than Trump in every way, and then some.

  15. Derer says:

    Under normal circumstances a VP take over the WH right after his president term finishes. This did not happened for Biden with the explanation that he is too old. It is therefore highly odd that Biden is running now when he is older and more senile.

    Remember, he was being embroiled in a huge corruption (even exposed by famous video) scheme in Ukraine. Trump was pursuing investigation…however investigating private retired citizen Biden is different from investigating an opposing party candidate. Subsequently he joined the pathetic 2020 DNC group and became immune, untouchable for a corruption charge. His primary victory was staged by the DNC manipulation and ironically they were able to impeached entrapped Trump by spying on his phone conversations. No doubt, the Democrats have better parasitic lawyers and high propensity for dishonesty.

    Tell me what Democrats did for the American people besides pathological obsession of removing an elected president without election.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  16. 2020 is a rerun of 2016 — the corrupt moronic warmonger (D) vs. the corrupt moronic slightly lesser warmonger (R).
    And a reversal of 2004 and 2008, which was the corrupt moronic warmonger (R) vs. the corrupt moronic slightly lesser warmonger (D).
    (2012 was between the corrupt moronic warmonger (D) vs. the exactly equivalent corrupt moronic warmonger (R)).

    People need to start seeing the pattern — if you vote D or R, you get corrupt moronic warmongers.

    Reasonable people on the right and reasonable people on the left – two groups that oppose corrupt moronic warmongers – need to get together and provide an alternative both sides can live with. Neither side by itself is strong enough to build a successful third party. Both getting together on a “anything but the R and D crooks, we’ll restore freedom, end the wars, and agree to disagree on other issues for the time being” platform would get closer.

    Paul/Sanders 2024!

    • Agree: Antiwar7, Bro43rd
    • Replies: @Derer
  17. @Bro43rd

    She is also pro BLM and anti White.

    • Replies: @Bro43rd
  18. ccoffer says:

    A million Iraqis? Are we sure it wasn’t six million? Jesus Christ.

  19. @Derer

    Under normal circumstances a VP take over the WH right after his president term finishes.

    Nope.
    There have been 45 presidential administrations covering 57 terms of office. (Cleveland is counted twice due to his holding office in nonconsecutive terms)

    Of those 45 administrations, only 14 previously held the office of vice president.

    Of those 14, 9 came into office after the death or resignation of the president.

    4 were elected to directly follow the previous president. Before Pappy Bush in 1988 the last time that happened was in 1836. (Adams, Jefferson, Van Buren, Pappy Bush) Jefferson is the only one of the 4 who served two terms.

    1 vice president became president after 2 intervening administrations. (Nixon)

    Dick Cheney was “acting” president for a little over 2 hours while Baby Bush underwent a medical procedure.

    • Replies: @Derer
  20. Tusk says:

    Because most Americans are self-centered and unconcerned about brown people in other nations

    Are people a priori meant to care about brown people halfway across the world? Americans, let alone anyone in the world, have no reason or justification to get involved with these people. Don’t bomb them, and don’t send them money, let them live their lives away from your warmongering and pity.

  21. Derer says:
    @Chris Mallory

    You are giving me useless info. This quote qualifies what i meant and you know it: “It is therefore highly odd that Biden is running now when he is older and more senile.”

    Obviously he was not running in 2016 to take over after Obama but in 2020. To complete your info the number of VPs running and losing is missing.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  22. Derer says:
    @Stop Clinton and Bush

    Trump is not a warmonger. He is a “business” president but Democrats sabotaged his appealing campaign agenda by dishonest means – they couldn’t care less about the public well being. That sabotage included some Republicans like Romney or McCain shamefully coming sick to vote for the Obama care retention.

  23. @Derer

    You said under normal circumstances a VP will take office following the term of the President they serve under. That has only happened 4 times by the VP winning an election.

    So according to you 4 times out of 45 is normal.

    As for knowing what you meant, I only read words, not minds. Not my concern if your writing skills are unable to express what you mean.

    • Replies: @Derer
  24. Derer says:
    @Chris Mallory

    Not my concern if you do not understand what you read. Is it clear enough?

    • Replies: @Bro43rd
  25. Derer says:
    @TG

    Trump has not made the country better.

    And the elected Democrats not only fail to serve the people but prevented Trump in implementing his winning agenda – pathetic morons. However, they succeeded to impress some feeble-minded through their Goebbels like propaganda machine CNN, MSNBC, WP, NYT and other dishonest outlets.

  26. Bro43rd says:
    @Chris Mallory

    I did see that after I had already posted and was seriously disappointed. Really no hope for the LP if they’re willing to concede the moral high ground. Does she really think it’s going to make a difference. Otoh, she still plays recreational ice hockey (as do I) so I’m especially torn. I stand behind my statement that it’s a good protest vote, as the establishment detests the LP almost as much as they pretended to detest Trump.

  27. Bro43rd says:
    @Derer

    As a 3rd party, I’m going with CM. I read your initial comment the way CM did. Your assessment regarding Biden as a candidate to deflect investigation/prosecution is most likely correct. But your inference that R is somehow better than D I find that less credible, they are simply the left and right arms of the corporatist AZE. In my lifetime it has been a steady march to totalitarianism no matter which party occupies the WH or controls congress. Trump was a Manchurian candidate.

    • Replies: @Derer
  28. @meamjojo

    If you want the lower classes to serve in combat for a greater Israel in the Middle East vote for Biden. Trump is marginally better on that issue. Biden will take the warmongering neocon Democratic party with him on issues like penalizing whites, cutting social security, cutting medicare, open borders, and raising taxes. Trump won’t do as well because the Democratic party fights him tooth and nail.on everything.

    I’ll take Trump and divided government for the next four years.

  29. Derer says:
    @Bro43rd

    In my lifetime it has been a steady march to totalitarianism no matter which party occupies the WH or controls congress.

    Agreed. That is why I am advocating direct voting. The elected proxies in Washington are reduced to debating the issues but the public decide. We have technological means to do that easily and the founding fathers would have approved. Do you want war in Venezuela? Public decide. Do you want abortion? Public decide. The proxies’ blackmail/corruption and the lobbyists barking is eliminated, no more special interest. Ironically, polls (although mostly fake but constantly relying on) are an imitation of the principle of direct vote.

    • Replies: @Bro43rd
  30. @meamjojo

    Some ancient history on Joe Biden–too funny:

  31. Bro43rd says:
    @Derer

    I am a libertarian until everyone is a libertarian, then I am a minarchist until everyone is a minarchist, then I am an anarchist until everyone is an anarchist. The end.
    Direct democracy, which is what I think you described, would be a good first step to becoming more libertarian. Way better than the current process anyway. Gerald Celente has been advocating that position for years.

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