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Watching panicky corporate-owned Democrats twist on the devil’s fork of Bernie Sanders’ “political revolution” is almost as much fun as it must have been for my mom and her fellow villagers to watch Vichy collaborators and Nazi sympathizers being executed by the resistance at the end of World War II. (That, Chris Matthews, is how you do a Nazi-to-2020 metaphor.)

Centrist/moderate/Third Way Dems are afraid of Bernie, not because he would lose to President Donald Trump or inverse-coattail down-ballot candidates but because they would lose their longstanding minority control of the party apparatus. After the convention in Milwaukee, for example, the nominee gets to choose the new Democratic National Committee chairman. Sanders will not keep Tom Perez.

Electability, however, is the moderates’ supposed chief concern. And enough moderate Democratic voters are buying it to make it A Thing.

Don’t worry, centrists. The data is clear. As they did throughout 2016, head-to-head matching polls show Sanders defeating Trump by a comfortable margin.

More to the point, you can’t trust corporate media outlets that describe Sanders’ policy agenda as radical or extreme. I wish he were! He’s a classic liberal Democrat, not as ambitious as former Presidents Franklin Delano Roosevelt or Lyndon B. Johnson, more like Hubert Humphrey or Walter Mondale.

And that’s just on domestic economic issues. On foreign policy, Bernie Sanders is no progressive. In fact, he is to the right of where the Republican Party was before former President Ronald Reagan.

He acknowledges it was a mistake that he voted for then-President George W. Bush’s 2001 invasion of Afghanistan. He voted several times in favor of funding the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. He favors military interventions like those against Syria and Libya, albeit in a limited fashion. He is less critical of Israel than most progressives. He is OK with drone assassinations.

Sanders is basically George W. Bush plus deadlines minus the invasion of Iraq. No real “socialist” shares his views. Socialists, democratic or otherwise, are anti-interventionist. So why are centrists so freaked out?

The answer, obviously, is his domestic platform. But even that is relatively moderate if you take a hard look at it.

Sanders wants to raise the federal hourly minimum wage to $15. That movement goes back at least to a strike by fast-food workers in 2012. Seven big states, and several major cities including New York and San Francisco, have already instituted $15.

Over the last eight years, of course, inflation has eaten away at the value of those $15. Meanwhile, corporate profits have risen. And it would be at least another year until a President Sanders could theoretically sign a bill. At the official, ridiculously understated-from-reality inflation rate, $15 in 2012 will be equivalent to $17 in 2021. If the inflation rate were still calculated the same way it was a few decades ago, the minimum wage would be at least $25 in order to be worth the same as it was in 1970. If it were up to me, I’d start the discussion at $50.

Looking at it from a historical vantage point, Bernie’s proposal is too little, too late for workers. It isn’t radical, and it won’t tank the economy — New York and San Francisco are proof of that.

Sanders wants to forgive all $1.6 trillion of student loan debt, and make college tuition and fees free at public four-year colleges and universities. Let’s take those two ideas one at a time.

Financial aid budget cuts, soaring tuition and high interest rates have made student loan debt explode. In 1999, it totaled $90 billion — adjusted for inflation, 8.7% of the current total. In 1986, it was $10 billion — and that’s after the Reagan Revolution replaced almost all student grants with loans.

Restoring student debt to 1999 levels would require forgiving 91.3% of today’s total. Bernie wants 100%. Not a huge difference. And it would stimulate the economy by freeing up young adults to buy houses and cars. But the banks sure would miss “their” profits.

ORDER IT NOW

Bernie’s tuition plan only covers 70% of college students; those in private institutions would receive nothing. Tuition and fees only account for 39% of expenses for the average public college student living on campus. So Bernie would pick up the tab for 27.3% of total expenses for American college students at four-year schools.

Actually, it’s not even that much. Kids whose parents earn a total of $125,000 a year would get nothing. That eliminates 12% of students. Total cost to taxpayers would be $48 billion a year — a sizable sum, to be sure, but less impressive/scary than you might think. Here’s another way to think about it: It’s the same as occupying 2.3 Afghanistans at once. We can easily afford to get closer to “richer” countries that offer completely free college — tuition, fees, housing, books, everything — economic dynamos like Turkey, Uruguay, Slovenia, Morocco, Malaysia, Brazil and Kenya.

“Medicare for All” is as close as the senator from Vermont comes to pushing a radical agenda. But that’s only by narrow American standards. Compared to other countries, MFA would be a relatively modest affair. It wouldn’t come close to what the rest of the world expects government to supply in terms of health care.

First, the cost: $34 trillion over 10 years. But Americans would have a net savings because health care costs here are even higher than that: $36 trillion over 10 years. Net savings: $2 trillion over 10 years. What Sanders does not talk about, and would need to be addressed, is how to deal with the insurance company employees who would be laid off. Job re-training would be needed for them as well as previously displaced workers.

Finally, there’s the Green New Deal. Sanders wants to abolish fossil fuels in the U.S. within 10 years. He’d spend trillions to accomplish that. But consider the alternative: mass extinction. Not doing it is the wild and crazy option.

To recap: Love; hate; or be indifferent to Bernie Sanders. That’s up to you. But moderates shouldn’t fear him because he’s a radical. Radicals shouldn’t love him because he’s one of us.

He’s really not.

 
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  1. melpol says:

    Nice guy politicians are loved by the youngsters and some of the poorer minorities. Sanders is one of those nice guy politicians who wants to be helpful. Having a nice guy as president is good for the national image and those abroad. But he is not invited to Washington parties and has no influential friends. He is not a social butterfly and after a rally he goes home alone. Electing a loner as president might not be good for Washington social events, Sanders would rather stay at home watching TV movies. It would be strange having a Hermit as president.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @NegroPantera
    , @Popeye
  2. Rational says:

    GURNEE SANDERS IS A FRAUD.

    HE WAS for the war before he was against it.
    He was for Israel killing Palestinians and stealing their land, before he was against it.
    He was for the alien invasion, before he was for the alien invasion.

    He is the to the right of Reagan, before he was to the left of Obama.

    All lies, lies, lies.

    Classic Jewish conman, promising free stuff to gullible goyim before cutting their throat to exterminate the goyim.

    As far as libbarbarians voting, they will vote for a dog if he is running for Democratic President, as long as he promises them free stuff.

  3. You know what proves to me that Bernie Sanders is what he says he is?

    The fact that they hate and fear him so much.

    That is a big factor that you nay-sayers can’t seem to get your heads around, being located elsewhere as is well-known.

    The Fuckers in Charge hate him and fear him. Therefore, he must be good. It is simple arithmetic.

  4. I kind of get the idea that Sanders is about the same as Eisenhower would be if he were alive and running now.

  5. Wally says:

    Shyster, Bolshevik Bernie:

    Bernie Sanders’ magic math: Double the government, pay with unicorn dust: https://nypost.com/2020/02/27/bernie-sanders-magic-math-double-the-government-pay-with-unicorn-dust/

    Bernie and his Communist lies about Castro’s Cuba:
    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/02/remember_when_they_were_called_communists.html

    • Replies: @Dog
    , @nsa
  6. Martist says:
    @Rational

    I don’t believe I’ve ever seen words more truthful in b/w here.

    Thank you.

  7. marylinm says:

    That essay is a perfect example of semantic gobbledygook, and should be taught to all those looking to get a free degree from a certified institution.

    • Replies: @Xtreme Cent-Tryst
  8. Poco says:

    I operate under the idea that I should vote for who I think would do the best job. Therefore I always do a mail in ballot and write in myself for representative, senator, and president. I encourage everyone to do the same.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  9. Poco says:
    @obwandiyag

    The same idea many Trump voters had. Bern is even pushed by the Rooskies according to the Stupidity community. I mean intelligence community.

  10. I like most of what Sanders says, but some I hate, same with Jimmy Dore. Free college is the worst idea, from my blog:

    Aug 26, 2018 – Free College?

    While I often applaud Jimmy Dore, he also promotes nutty ideas, like free college. That sounds nice, but means the bottom half of Americans who can’t enroll due to low test scores would work and pay taxes, while the top half enjoys a free four-year ride in college to do whatever they please! If college were free, millions more aimless, upper middle class Americans would waste four years pursing hobbies to acquire dubious skills that our nation has far in excess, like degrees in: drama, paleontology, women’s studies, anthropology, art history, ethnic studies, astronomy, library science, modern dance, and PE. Free college would also bolster our increasingly corrupt and costly university system that employs nearly a million clerks earning six-figures.

    The federal government needs to guide higher education with incentives. It should fund education in select areas where our nation lags, like machine tool operators, windmill and solar repair, and perpetually neglected fields like nursing, computer repair, fiber-optic installers, high-power electrical maintainers, and special education. So my “free college” idea is not a four-year fun ride to pursue dreams that will not benefit society, but 2-4 year programs to produce skilled workers needed to fill gaps in our economy.

    The idea that everyone should attend college is nutty as well. Half of American teens struggle to graduate from high school and lack the motivation and basic intelligence to do more than semi-skilled labor. If given a chance with free college, most will just party and play video games for a few years at government expense, until expelled. I think Jimmy Dore would agree if he read these thoughts.

  11. antibeast says:
    @obwandiyag

    The people who hate Trump but fear Sanders won’t allow either of them to win in November 2020 because both of them pose a threat to the Globalist Elites. While Trump is pro-Capitalist, Sanders is even more dangerous because he is anti-Capitalist.

    Interesting times ahead.

    • Agree: Popeye
  12. Poco says:

    No radical proposals huh? Totally open borders with a socialist state is pretty radical is it not?

    • Agree: RadicalCenter, Dannyboy
    • Replies: @TheJester
  13. Another crazy thing many “progressives” spout is a strange hate of pipelines. If people hate oil pipelines they should sell their car and buy a horse. If they hate natgas pipelines they should shut off their electricity. Yes, lets move toward clean energy over the next few decades, but meanwhile, from my blog:

    Jun 26, 2018 – Faux Environmentalist Cause Oil Spill

    DOON, Iowa (AP) — An estimated 230,000 gallons (870,619 liters) of crude oil spilled into floodwaters in the northwestern corner of Iowa following a train derailment, a railroad official said Saturday. BNSF spokesman Andy Williams said 14 of 32 oil tanker cars just south of Doon in Lyon County leaked oil into surrounding floodwaters from the swollen Little Rock River. … The train was carrying tar sands oil from Alberta, Canada, to Stroud, Oklahoma, for ConocoPhillips.

    Most oil in the USA is moved by pipeline, but construction of new pipelines to support a growing population is hampered by lawsuits and misguided public opinion. As this blog has explained, moving crude oil by rail car is more expensive and far more dangerous than moving it through a pipeline. Moving crude by rail is more likely to result in leaks and accidents resulting in spills, while locomotives burn diesel and pollute the atmosphere hauling oil. True environmentalists would demand that oil pipelines be constructed to move Canadian oil to refineries in the USA, yet proposals like the Keystone pipeline are blocked!

    Allow me to speculate why. 1. More crude oil available to American refineries lowers the price of crude oil and gasoline, and there are powerful corporations whose profits would suffer. They fund faux environmental groups to protest and file lawsuits to block pipelines to keep prices and profits high. 2. Corporations fund environmental groups and the Democratic party who redirect progressive do-gooders to dead end pursuits. Mass protests for universal health care or against wars may result in legislation that harms profits, so they divert “activists” to protest new pipelines and oil drilling in desolate Alaska instead. 3. Propaganda is so widespread in the USA that seemingly intelligent people cannot think straight and support idiotic causes, like opposing pipelines! This explains why oil spills from rail cars occur several times a year and rarely make national news, whereas any oil pipeline leak results in national headlines.

    • Replies: @Nonny Mouse
    , @FB
    , @MarkinPNW
  14. So who do we voter for? Trump wants more legal immigration. What good is he? I say Bernie. This is the only western nation where working class whites are losing life expectancy. Affordable healthcare care could help minimize that.

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @Kim
    , @RadicalCenter
    , @Cassandra
  15. Miro23 says:
    @obwandiyag

    I may be wrong – but I also haven’t seen any photos of him with Epstein.

    • LOL: mark green
  16. New York City and San Francisco aren’t America.
    Other countries don’t send as large a percentage of their students on to college. Get back to only 30%, or even better 15%, going to college after high school, we’d give each student a lot more aid. Of course, that would be racist.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  17. John Wear says:

    Toward the end of this article, Ted Rall says we face mass extinction if we don’t adopt the Green New Deal. In reality,the global warming/climate change narrative is a complete hoax. Adoption of the Green New Deal would be a colossal waste of money that would greatly hurt our economy.

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs
    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  18. reezy says:
    @obwandiyag

    ofc you want this geezer, so you and your negro brothas can get dem gibs

  19. roonaldo says:

    C’mon, “GreTed”–enough with the “ten years or extinction” crapola–“appliques-toi” (“this could have been a good article”).

    I recommend readers visit rall.com and see the perfect 02/ 28/20 cartoon–as well as the story about his mother, rest her soul.

  20. Biff says:

    Neither party wouldn’t let him through the door if he wasn’t some sort of tool, but my enemies hate him, and that’s good enough for me.

  21. Pandour says: • Website

    No,Bernie isnt perfect but when the Dems are desperately trying to find a single candidate to derail him,he must be doing something right-just look at those jokers,Biden,butt-blaster Buttigieg,etc.

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  22. gotmituns says:

    all joos are commies at heart.

    • Replies: @Moi
  23. RW says:

    It doesn’t matter the exact nature of Sanders policies, because like-minded Democrats will not control enough of Congress to help him get his agenda through. Down ballot Dems are going to lose big if Sanders wins.

  24. @John Wear

    Over the past 70 tears, zero percent of environmentalist doomsday predictions came true, so of course we must believe in shitlibs’ Green New Steal.

    • Replies: @John Wear
  25. When it comes to foreign policy, it is hard to distinguish interests from principles. It is not the political persuasion or ideology that leads mankind to war – but power.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

    • Replies: @Spanky
  26. Right. Wake me up when Sanders promises to ratify the ICESCR and the Rome Statute. Till then he’s one more bullshit Dem absorbing and smothering reform efforts.

  27. Realist says:
    @melpol

    But Bernie is not a nice guy.

  28. Realist says:
    @obwandiyag

    It is simple arithmetic.

    If it were true, it would be logic…not arithmetic.

  29. onebornfree says: • Website

    What difference would Sanders make?

    Sanders is a fraud, just like the rest of the Democrat candidates, and just like Trump and the Republicans

    Just another criminal fraud who believes he can [and is entitled to] run everybodys lives for them.

    In the end, it all roughly boils down to: “full-on marxism or full-on fascism- which “side”is gonna run all of our lives this time around?” [as if there is any fundamental difference between the two “sides”], when, regardless of which side wins ultimately this time around, we end up with either some idiot marxist [like Sanders] or some idiot fascist [like Trump], intent on running everyone’s lives for them, via an even bigger government, and even less freedom for individuals.

    No candidate on either side [including Sanders, of course],talks seriously [let alone lies half-way convincingly!], about fully restoring individual freedom, fully restoring the 1st.amendment, getting rid of all anti 2nd amendment laws [+ all anti-3rd, 4th,5th,6th, 7th.8th.9th.10th amendment laws], abolishing the income tax, ending the drug war, getting out of all foreign wars, abolishing the Dept. of “Education”, Social Security, the FDA, the EPA, the Federal Reserve, the FBI, the CIA, the Pentagon etc. etc etc., and all the rest of the vast mass of entirely unconstitutional , wholly criminal, federal agencies IMMEDIATELY,and returning the Federal government to its original constitutional size and limitations IMMEDIATELY.

    Or even [ if that much is simply too much to ask], going half-way down that path- or even just taking one single step down that path. No one. Certainly not Sanders, and certainly not Trump.

    Dems or Repubs, its all just a giant shit-show; Kabuki theatre for the vast mass of indoctrinated slaves who now make up 99% of the population in “the land of the Free” and who are brainwashed/indoctrinated enough to believe there are actual government solutions to the problems almost exclusively caused by government interference in their lives, and that a new slave master, and even less freedom and even more government interference in their lives than they currently “enjoy”is “the answer” to all of the problems they have.

    And so it goes…….What a frickin’ joke!

    Regards, onebornfree

  30. Anonymous[267] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rational

    He’d love to turn America into Vermont, where 60’s hippies from NY like the Bern rationalized making millions parasitizing the native Woodchucks by telling themselves they were taking it to “the Man.” I believe he’s also made Vermont a sister state of Venezuela, which makes sense since up in Vermont the rich own the good farmland as vanity farms with golf course quality turfgrass instead of cows, while a majority of the natives exist as a servant class. Same as over in the southern tier of New Hampshire where high-paid leftists from Massachusetts running from socialist taxes are ironically turning NH into a political backwater of Massachusetts.

    The postcard-perfect houses and towns in Vermont conceal the McMansions turning VT into a suburb of Wall Street for rich outsiders who pretend they’re living the Currier & Ives life that’s only possible with a dirt poor servant class of locals. It’s life at the Caracas Country Club for people like the Bern, except the locals don’t have to eat at garbage dumps yet. Socialism’s great fun for the rich.

    In the summertime old hippies like the Bern and retired Wall Street money can be found sashaying around the weekend art fairs and farmers markets, or the hippies stopping by some rally in their Lexus SUV’s to chant hey, hey, ho, ho with the local college kids. If the cities burn, the socialists’s life at their country estates in places like Vermont won’t be affected much at all. When the shelves at the big grocery stores are empty as they are in Venezuela, the socialist rich in Vermont will be eating the best of organic vegetables, fruits, and meats that only they can afford, which are grown by local organic micro-farms solely for them.

    • Agree: HammerJack, Bill Jones
  31. @marylinm

    Right. Since X is “afraid” of Y then Y must be good. This essay is marred with poorly or non-proven goblins we idiots are supposed to use as measuring sticks.

  32. Ko says:

    Bernie Sanders is a communist. If he wins the election, the military should coup and prevent a communist from being President of the United States of America.

  33. When I look at the quality of education coming out of today’s pricey US universities, I can only shudder at the thought of how much more debased it will be once it is “free.”

  34. Kim says:
    @Buddy Stevenson

    If people want to live longer, they should eat better.

  35. anon[225] • Disclaimer says:

    This is nothing more than a SPIN STORY to make “Lets Burn One” more palatable to the demonized White working class. The DemonRats turned on White people, so Fxck them.

    • Replies: @Alden
  36. I wish you had addressed the military budget which is a great big albatross around the neck of the tax payers but it’s not of concern to the nay sayers to avancular Bernie’s MFA plan.

    And as to the potential layoffs in the insurance industry it can be avoided by federalizing those workers at 80% reduction in their fat paychecks and furthermore, do not replace the ones who retire (I am pretty sure that by and large the insurance industry workforce is of middle age).

    Without good healthcare for all its citizens, the good old United States is just another banana republic at best!

  37. This is two Bernie Sanders commercials out of ten featured articles in the past five days (“Democratic Quandary” 2/25,) with none for any other candidate.

    I’m starting to resent the Unz.com propaganda drive, especially in support of such a transparent shyster.

    Can’t we just get back to picking on Jews?

    • LOL: RadicalCenter
  38. journey80 says:
    @obwandiyag

    I wish it were that good; I think they hate and fear him only because they think they might lose their control over the DNC.

    Policy doesn’t mean anything to the current DNC establishment and their wholly owned media – hasn’t since the Clintons took over in the nineties and made the DNC a for-profit cheap suit version of the Republicans – DNC “elites” couldn’t possibly care less what Bernie is for or what he says he wants to do – if he in any way threatens Pelosi, Perez, Schumer, Hillary, and the rest of the DNC war industry/wall street whores, he’s the enemy. It’s about the gravy train.

  39. Hans says:

    Ted wass a great cartoonist working out on Shithead and Cheney but if he’s living in fear of “mass extinction” from (((The Club of Rome’s))) Climatehoax, he’s in bad need of a cranio-proctologist.

    Quote by Club of Rome: “In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill….humanity requires a common motivation, namely a common adversary in order to realize world government. It does not matter if this common enemy is a real one or….one invented for the purpose.” (p.75, The First Global Revolution, 1972)

    • Replies: @Approvalvoting.org
  40. The bipartisan central banking cabal supposedly doesn’t like Bernie. So doesn’t that by default make him some sort of radical? Then again the Green Deal is just central bankers finally getting to tax the air we breathe via emissions. It would be refreshing if the so called radicals would figure out they are the dullest tools in the tool shed.

    Also Bernie doesn’t want to win. He just wants another payout. Now that is indeed a very mainstream political move.

  41. KenH says:
    @obwandiyag

    The Fuckers in Charge hate him and fear him. Therefore, he must be good. It is simple arithmetic.

    Those same Fuckers in Charge hate and fear Trump but you aren’t arguing that that makes Trump good.

  42. Roger says:

    1. If mandating a rise in the minimum wage to $15 ($17 inflation adjusted) will bring some measure of prosperity to those who suffer from the lack of a decent paying job, then it seems reasonable to order a rise to $25. Heck, that would mean I get a raise! But wait!! Rall says he’d start negotiating at $50, but why stop there? Why not simply order that everyone has the right to a job which pays at least $100/hr or maybe $500 or $10, 000.00? That way, everyone would be rich, right? Sure they would, at least until they lost their job.

    When you go to the pool to swim, you can dip your toe in the water, you can wade in, or you can dive in head first. As far as mandated increases in the minimum wage go, why even bother with incremental steps? Let’s just dive right in.

    2. Sanders is going to abolish fossil fuels in 10 years, because if he doesn’t we’re going to suffer mass extinction. This is an insane statement which is based on nothing more than a hypothesis that can (has been, is, and will be) refuted by solid scientific evidence. Yes, the climate is changing. No, the change isn’t being caused because we use oil, coal, and natural gas for energy.

    The world is run on energy. The main source of that energy is fossil fuels. So-called “green” energies cannot begin to provide the power we need to maintain economies and societies in the manner we are accustomed to. The inevitable result of banning the use of fossil fuels would be an immediate and drastic reduction in the standard of living and might very well usher in what Rall calls “mass extinction”. That is, a massive die-off of the human population, which will adversely affect every one of us in one way or another. But, then, maybe that wouldn’t be such a bad idea after all, as long as I am not the one doing the dying. Animal populations might thrive under this system, but that’s another story.

    I am confident that if a policy like that was to happen in 10 years, within another 10 years the whole thing would be completely scrapped and its proponents and perpetrators would be completely and thoroughly discredited and ruined.

    Bring it on, I say, that alone would be worth the trouble.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  43. KenH says:

    Medicare for All in a multiracial nation of 330 million to also include illegal aliens would be a complete disaster and totally unworkable. Demand would exceed supply and I don’t care what the shamans of the radical left or votaries of the alt-right claim to the contrary. And when that happens you get Soviet style rationing and in America that will be based on your skin color so to the end of the line whitey!!

    The lines for medical care would be horrendous and lead to long waiting times for even routine care. Wait time for an ambulace would increase to about 4-6 hours which would vastly increase the death rate. But hey, it’s free so who cares?

    There’s some quarters of the alt-right who want free gibs but what they don’t understand is there will be a racial pecking order to who is entitled to the freebies and gibs and most pale faces won’t qualify since the left says they already have privilege.

    Anyone who claims the continued use of fossil fuels will lead to global extinction shouldn’t be taken seriously and belongs on a funny farm. These are the kind of tin foil hatters and know nothings who support Bernie Sanders.

    • Agree: Alden
  44. Levtraro says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    “Free college” means universities classes are funded with tax money, not that everyone is admitted. Nearly all countries that have free college run a standardised exam, select only the best high schoolers, or let universities run their own admission exams. Free college does not mean free admission.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Catiline
  45. Alden says:
    @anon

    The democrats proclaimed themselves the anti White party 60 years ago. If Bernie gets in the benefits of socialism will be denied to Whites as government benefits are denied to Whites now.

    The article’s biggest fault is that the author seems to believe Bernie is sincere.

  46. John Wear says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    You are exactly right. Every doomsday prediction regarding global warming/climate change has failed to materialize. Now we have Greta Thunberg warning us of the dire fate that awaits us if we do not accept the Green New Deal.

  47. The desperation of the establishment defense force is really amusing.

    They can sense doom in November and can’t decide on a strategy.

    Bernie is too leftist!!! No wait Bernie is actually a centrist so you should vote for him!!!!

    How is free college for illegals not a radical position? You are telling foreigners that they can get a free degree as long as they get over the border which he already said he would decriminalize (make sure you pay your $50 fine). I doubt he would get it passed but he has the typical leftist mentality which is pitying third worlders while taking White workers for granted.

    He has also switched to the leftist position on guns which is total denial that it is overwhelming black/hispanic violence while demonizing White rural gun owners. He has jumped on the “sue the manufacturers” bandwagon which means suing Ruger because some Black thug used a stolen gun in a robbery. This is totally insane and shows how the left is unable to deal with urban violence and *wants to believe* it’s somehow the fault of “the man” and not the criminals.

    The left in the US has totally lost it. They were wrong about race being a White conspiracy and they need to get over it and focus on serving US workers. We need a real left in this country, not this mushy 60s leftover garbage that tries to believe everything would be fine if not for White men.

  48. @Levtraro

    “Free college” means universities classes are funded with tax money, not that everyone is admitted.

    You must live outside the US.

    The universities have already lowered their entry standards for the sake of liberal ideals.

    They have degrees for athletes that amount to showing up and being able to read.

    But Bernie and the US left think we should subsidize even more of those degrees.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  49. Pandour says: • Website

    The U.S. Medical system is a disgrace to civilization and humanity.I remember in 1969 a friend of mine, a Canadian citizen,had a motorcycle accident in Washington State and wound up in hospital with minor injuries and was released the same day-expenses ran into the hundreds of dollars and had he not had Canadian publicly funded health care,he never would have been able to pay.In 2014 3-year-old Devin Nicoletti from New Jersey fell and cut his chin.He was taken to the Bayonne Medical Center emergency room and attended to.After his stitches were taken out his father received a bill of 14,107.09 dollars.THATS FOR FOUR STITCHES BEING PUT IN AND REMOVED.His insurer paid the bulk of the cost but his dad still had to pay 828.21 out of his own pocket.Thats the true face of the criminal U.S. medical system and the indoctrinated masses always resist attempts at reform.Simply unbelievable that Americans who like to crow about how great America is,the greatest country in the world,blablabla etc. have in the past one hundred years never embraced a truly genuine man-of-the people grass roots third option like Ralph Nader but continue to support the corporate whores-rat-bastards Dems and Republicans.

  50. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:

    “One of the most dangerous ideas in this city is that Donald Trump is a break from the status quo, rather than a product of the status quo,” [Matt] Duss said Wednesday at the Foreign Policy-Quincy Institute Forum in Washington.

    Bernie’s Outsider on the Inside
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/27/matt-duss-bernie-sanders-foreign-policy-2020-presidential-election/?utm_source=PostUp&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=19906&utm_term=Flashpoints%20OC&

  51. TheJester says:
    @Poco

    No radical proposals huh? Totally open borders with a socialist state are pretty radical are they not?

    I agree. As many have noted: You can have a social welfare state … or, you can have open borders. But you cannot have both. It’s common sense.

    Offering a free university education, free medical care, and free daycare added to current US welfare programs would, in the face of open borders, cause an immigration stampede on a scale the world has never seen before.

    The Democratic presidential candidates should be ashamed of themselves for offering such nonsense. These programs are examples of the mass hysteria and delusions overtaking Western Civilization: the virtues of multi-culturalism; the normalization of feminism, homosexuality, transgenderism, and other sexually deviant lifestyles; the destruction of the traditional family; the quest for a zero-carbon footprint; the legalization of psychotropic drugs; and the quest for an equality of economic and social outcomes for all citizens adjudicated and enforced on the basis of intersectional oppressions suffered at the hands of the White Male Patriarchy (or something like that).

    Each of these is impractical and delusional in its own right. Put them together and they constitute an “extinction event” for the United States and (given the fact that Western Europeans in the EU and Canada are even more deluded than their liberal cousins residing in the United States) Western Civilization as a whole.

    • Agree: HammerJack, Thomasina
  52. Catiline says:
    @Levtraro

    That is far too complicated for the above average Unz reader to understand-to say nothing of the average Unz reader.

    • Replies: @Poco
  53. Catiline says:
    @Pandour

    Democracy (in the US) is the theory that the people should get what they want, good and hard.

  54. Dog says:
    @Wally

    Bernie is the Grand Marshal of the FSA.

  55. Wally says:
    @obwandiyag

    Communist Bernie demands:

    – Government controlled healthcare, private insurance would be banned = more taxes.
    – Government control of all energy, which essentially means controlling the entire economy [ more taxes.
    – Unaffordable, unnecessary government controlled “Green New Deal” based upon absurd, debunked Communist fake ‘science’ = more taxes
    – Massive corporate taxes = less investment, capital moving elsewhere, less jobs, less choices.
    – Government controlled housing for everyone, including illegal aliens = more taxes.
    – No bail for criminals, who then repeat their crimes = more taxes for crime.
    – Increased pay for women who are already overpaid for less skilled, less demanded, less difficult jobs = more taxes.
    – And imagine the already deteriorating Free Speech under Communist Bernie’s regime.

    Call Bernie’s agenda what it is, Communism.

    And the problem for ‘Democrat moderate’ alternatives is that they are not moderate, all want the same power & control, but are just a bit less obvious.

    = Trump landslide 2020

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  56. Paul says:

    Bernie Sanders is not really a socialist. He is very liberal — a European-type social democrat. There is one thing that he would like to socialize: health insurance (Medicare for all). However, Medicare is more cost-effective than ripoff corporate health insurance — far less overhead. Many countries spend less per capita on health care and yet have longer lifespans than in the United States.

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @Catiline
  57. Catiline says:
    @Paul

    Many countries spend less per capita on health care and yet have longer lifespans than in the United States.

    It’s no use Paul. Unzers are just too rotten and dumb to reason with.

  58. Paul says:

    Bernie Sanders is not radical just like Venezuela and Sweden (a country with a higher quality of life than the United States) are not socialist. Both of those foreign countries have many private businesses.

    • Replies: @Patricus
  59. Spanky says:
    @peter mcloughlin

    “…[I]t is hard to distinguish interests from principles.” — peter mcloughlin

    Really?

    How about this policy — non-intervention in other countries’ affairs?

    Since US foreign policy revolves around guaranteeing and maximizing profits from overseas Wall Street / corporate business interests that would be a real sea change.

    Perhaps we should ask voters to decide the question, since they pay for current foreign policy with their tax money and children. In fact, ask them to decide between three possible foreign policy options:

    1) Continue the current policy unchanged;

    2) Continue the current policy, but allocate and charge the direct costs of maintaining political / military control in any particular country among the banks and corporations doing business there;

    3) Establish a new policy of strict non-intervention in all other countries’ political, military, economic and financial affairs.

    Does this clarify the difference between principles and interests?

    • Agree: mark green
    • Replies: @HammerJack
  60. Levtraro says:
    @John Johnson

    The bulk of free collegue subsidization go to the most expensive studies which are the sciences, technology, engineering, and medicine while a smaller part is allocated to cheaper social studies and sport. The cost of those humanities studies and sport is low, mostly the lecturers’ salaries, the locale, balls and lawn mowers.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  61. Rall knows the more the media mocks, and mocks the mockers, the more the US is able to determine the validity of the elections. Only zombies would argue over the merits of people like Trump, Sanders, or Tulsi. If elections resulted in real change, we wouldn’t have them. Trump sure was anti-establishment, but the clear winner in the last election was the establishment.

  62. Paul says:

    I should add one thing to what I have previously posted. There is an issue where Bernie Sanders and many of the Democrats are extremists. They want open borders. Sanders used to oppose them.

    Economist Milton Friedman (now deceased) pointed out that you cannot have open borders and a welfare state. You will become a magnet for the world’s poor. You will go broke.

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @Poco
    , @Levtraro
  63. I’ve seen enough over the years to thoroughly disbelieve that CO2 from anthropomorphic sources is causing any problems whatsoever, let alone what climate alarmists claim.
    Fossil fuels are problematic in other ways (eg coal with its arsenic and mercury component and poisonous coal ash by product, etc). But I firmly believe that the climate change bullshit is designed to suck the oxygen out of the room for all of the horrible environmental harm we really are doing.
    We poison the planet with roundup, we wipe out bees with neonicotinoids, we create super bugs with our insane use of antibiotics to super charge growth of factory farm animals. Even the factories that produce antibiotics are polluting the surrounding land and water with antibiotics and creating antibiotic-resistant microbes in the process. And did you know that Roundup (and I would assume many herbicides) contains antibiotics too? WTF?!!!
    It should be very telling that as the global warming claims proved to be bullshit, the liars pushing this fear said we should call it climate change.
    Has Unz invited any writers or researchers who are studying solar cycles, Grand Minimums (like the Maunder Minimum?) and how it is the Sun that that controls climate on earth?
    Given that Unz and the vast majority of readers here are pursuers of the truth no matter the consequences, I would be grateful for such discussion.

    • Agree: Kali
  64. Anon[411] • Disclaimer says:

    The writer doesn’t know how to calculate an inflation adjusted minimum wage. The 1970 minimum wage, $1.60/hr would be $10.64/hr today. Therefore the writer can be ignored.

    Maybe it’s true that the nominee can pick a new DNC Chairman but Bernie will not be the nominee. Hillary Clinton will.

  65. @Carlton Meyer

    Top quality free public transport, suburban trains, trams, buses with only short waits at the stops, would cause people to leave their own cars at home, would ruin Ford and GM, would end carbon emissions and the manmade part of global warming.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
    , @Wally
  66. Poco says:
    @Catiline

    Incorrect. The most idiotic Unz reader recognizes that batshit crazy leftists will lower admissions standards while proclaiming free tuition. Bizzaro leftist college administrators are already phasing out admissions requirements at some colleges because those requirements hurt retards feelings.

  67. @Carlton Meyer

    Free or Free-Ish college done right, is done the way it was done up until I guess recently in England and Germany and France and so on. There was free college if you test in, but also vo-tech training for those who are better off not in college. Traditionally being college educated didn’t pay much better than the vo-tech guys were paid, everyone ended up being paid OK, and it worked out pretty well.

    The guy/gal who just goofs off playing video games, well, where I grew up in Hawaii, “merit” was based on what race you were. If you were white you were considered lazy and dumb, and in fact your presence in college was resented, as you were taking up a space that could be taken by a more deserving, nonwhite person.

    Thus, you had instances where I worked very hard and lived on less than just about anybody, got good grades before I burned out, but for all my hard work and frugality, it didn’t get me any better employment than a high-school drop-out of my color would get. Another student I knew, white but using the protective camouflage of being Portuguese (they’re considered “less-white” in Hawaii) got good grades and I don’t think got as much flak, but he also had family help and I’m pretty sure he got the degree and then did one of two things: Left for the mainland and used his degree, or stayed in Hawaii and gotten work making pretty salads for one of the hotels or some such work of that type.

    Meanwhile you had tons of students of the “proper” races who, indeed, goofed off, actually owned cars, and in general lives the life of Riley and were given all kinds of work-arounds and allowed all kinds of cheats.

    Rall is French. I admire the French, greatly. They have a system where indeed college is free, but you don’t get to use your race as cover for being a lazy dunderhead.

  68. @onebornfree

    @onebornfree, Amen! You nail it completely. The question is what do we do given that those we have to vote for are so awful?
    Personally I no longer want any representative to have the power to vote “for me” (i.e “on my behalf”). I want direct democracy. If we keep representatives, their only power should be to facilitate discussion, not to make decisions. I trust the dumbest Americans (actual American citizens, not illegals) more than I trust anyone in government when it comes to deciding our future. And imagine what would happen if Americans had to actually vote on shit. I think we’d shrink government by 90% and it would concentrate on the true basics, not on controlling every damn thing.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  69. @Levtraro

    The bulk of free collegue subsidization go to the most expensive studies which are the sciences, technology, engineering, and medicine while a smaller part is allocated to cheaper social studies and sport.

    Nope. Majority of bachelor degrees are not in technical areas.

    It’s not just social sciences and humanities.

    They have also created all kinds of professional studies degrees and education has become a gimme degree if you can read and write.

    Then there are endless music and art degrees. Music degrees are difficult but still shouldn’t be subsidized.

    Free degrees means billions spent on 4 year party degrees.

    The real reason the left wants free degrees is to indoctrinate more students. They know full well their ideas (especially related to race) don’t hold to critical thinking and just want to push them through party and white guilt degrees where objective thinking is suppressed.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  70. Poco says:
    @Paul

    Ok. I was about to comment on your post about Sanders not being radical but just a social-Democrat. I may be in favor of some social-Democrat policies but his open borders idiocy kills any support. Is he saying it just to pander to the open borders crowd or is he saying it to actually kill any real support for social-democracy?

  71. @Hans

    “Cranio-proctologist”, brilliant!!! @Hans, maybe that should be your username.

    • Replies: @Hans
  72. @Wally

    You are an idiot who makes things up.

    The answer is No. You are completely wrong. Or a liar. Or both.

    • Replies: @Wally
  73. Levtraro says:
    @John Johnson

    “Nope. Majority of bachelor degrees are not in technical areas. ”

    It’s not the number of students, it’s the cost of labs and equipment and materials which makes most of funds for subsidized free college go to STEM degrees.

    But I hear you, surely the USA liberal establishment and their multiculturalism and “special studies” make it difficult to see the value of state funding for tertiary education and the importance of having graduates free of debt.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  74. nsa says:
    @Wally

    “Shyster Bolshie Bernie”
    Hey, Wally. Why settle for a crypto-jew useful idiot like your guy, Trumpstein, doing the tribe’s bidding when you can have the real deal…..an authentic live kosher jew doing the tribe’s business and wars? A major douche down in the stock market (easily engineered by the tribe) or even a minor influenza epidemic…….and say hello to Prez Bernie and 300 lb First Lady Jane. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving group of people than the racial cesspool that is 2020 Amelika.

    • Replies: @Wally
  75. DaveE says:

    If you look at his record, not his constantly shifting doubletalk, it’s clear that Sanders is a zionist. And his “let-em-all-in and pay-for-everything-they-want” platform is straight out of the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, the blueprint for Jewish world-takeover we’ve seen so clearly over the last century.

    If that don’t scare the crap out of you, you’re either a moron or a Jew.

  76. If we lived in a free and independent country we wouldn’t have a private bank owned by a tiny handful of families running our economy. Sanders could order the military to arrest all the members of the federal reserve and confiscate their assets. Of course this will never happen because we all have become slaves to a tiny few. Not just Americans, but all people in every country. The majority of people want it that way, particularly the voting classes in every “democracy.”

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  77. Levtraro says:
    @Paul

    First, Sanders is not sincere on the open borders issue, he is just strategizing to win support to its left.
    Second, Friedman was wrong if he said that as a general law or as a necessary result. When the welfare state is funded by payroll taxes and the locals refuse to output offspring then eventually the state has to open the borders to young workers to replenish the pension fund and pay for pensions in sustainable manner. In this case the welfare state necessitates some degree of open borders (not the case in America currently of course). The German welfare state-people most likely considered this when they accepted hordes of refugees a few years back. The medicine may be worse than the disease because of the loss of social cohesion but the Germans made their calculations and decided the way they did.

  78. @Poco

    Nice.

    Seriously, I’ll probably be casting a write-in vote in the general election for president this year. With the choices we have been getting, I can see voting “third party” or casting a write-in vote for myself for the rest of my life.

    • Replies: @Poco
  79. @Buddy Stevenson

    I really do see where you are coming from here, Buddy.

    But affordable, accessible quality healthcare is exactly what we will NEVER have with another fifty million mostly-poor people settling in our country in the next few decades.

    All good ideas for a more generous social safety net — such as universal medical and dental insurance, and a universal basic income — become unsustainable with mass immigration of such net-tax-consumers.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  80. @Redneck farmer

    Sounds about right.

    Meanwhile, we continue to suffer shortages of young Americans entering nursing and other good-paying jobs doing things that are actually necessary and tangibly useful, such as welder, electrician, and plumber.

    Nah, we need more kids studying to be social workers, diversity consultants and HR bullies, professors, “activists”, and ill-informed indoctrinators (public-school “teachers”).

    • Replies: @James Stark
  81. Wally says:
    @nsa

    Why?

    Because Trump is much better than Communist Bernie in all things. That’s why.

    Let us know when you’re leaving for another country, then maybe you’ll have some credibility.

    Regards.

  82. Wally says:
    @obwandiyag

    LOL. Hurts don’t it?
    Alas, you’re in denial of what Bernie himself says.

    I realize you don’t like what I posted, but you cannot show that I’m wrong, hence your hissy little fit.

    I’ll stop telling the truth about you when you stop lying about me.

    Trump Landslide 2020

    • Replies: @FB
  83. @Levtraro

    But I hear you, surely the USA liberal establishment and their multiculturalism and “special studies” make it difficult to see the value of state funding for tertiary education and the importance of having graduates free of debt.

    It’s not simply a case of being unable to see value.

    A lot of those graduates with debt shouldn’t have gotten their degrees in the first place. They can’t find jobs with them and left wants to subsidize even more party and grievance studies degrees.

    Like I said before it is really about indoctrination. If the colleges allowed race to be studied then the left would go back to supporting trade schools.

    Isn’t it rather peculiar that the left doesn’t push trade schools when that is where there are a lot of family wage jobs are right now? It’s because they want every single White high school graduate to sit through White guilt courses. They also want to turn every Black and Hispanic student into a left-wing activist. In their minds if they send everyone to the colleges then they’ll make a million Trayvon X activists while making Whitey submissive.

    Too many of us have had to sit through those White guilt courses or know the arrogant liberal with multiple degrees in BS. Higher education is already subsidized. If the left in the US really cared about workers they would focus on health care not trying to send every graduate to a 4 year school. It’s all politics.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  84. @RadicalCenter

    All good ideas for a more generous social safety net — such as universal medical and dental insurance, and a universal basic income — become unsustainable with mass immigration of such net-tax-consumers.

    We already tried a universal basic income in the US. That’s what welfare originally was.

    I’m on board with universal medical coverage but universal basic income would be ruined by Blacks. Most Whites are ashamed to take EBT and yet someone posted a video in the SBPDL blog where a Black woman made a rap video about how great it is.

  85. The Teutons are pulling media-wise for him and they love him as they do BO/HC/BC and the rest of the US leftist cabal, and seeing as Germany is the epicenter of human lunacy, one of my golden rules being : Whatever the Krauts view as good is most definitely bad for the US.

    Deutschland the source of the most destructive concepts and worldviews known to mankind : Communism, Psychology, the Green madness, Antifa, Heroin, Bauhaus, the new push to eliminate privately-owned automobiles, authority-worship, the list goes on and on.

    “Am deutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen”

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Arym vet.

    PS : Ted Rall is a bloody fucking nitwit.

  86. Moi says:
    @Rational

    Berniebots can slap all the lipstick on the old boy, but he’s still a Zionist or, at best a Zio-lite.

  87. Moi says:
    @gotmituns

    They are Israeli citizens at heart.

    • Replies: @gotmituns
  88. @Levtraro

    First, Sanders is not sincere on the open borders issue, he is just strategist to win support to its left.

    What would be the point when he already has the support of the left?

    If anything it just shows that he will buckle to the left when under pressure.

    He actually had reasonable opinions on guns and immigration that he thoughtfully explained in previous interviews.

    Then he started running for president and switched to the mindless leftist GUNS R BAD position and has a long list of goodies he wants to provide anyone that gets over the border.

    People that defend Bernie can’t even get their message together.

    The Democrats should just throw in the towel and donate all their campaign funds to charity. Next time try to find qualified candidates with experience instead of trying to tick gender and race boxes. Harris was a terrible candidate who bj’d to the top but was still pushed by the media just because of her gender/skin combination. Booker has a history of being in bed with pharm companies and completely made up a Black friend (t-bone) for use in story time with White audiences. Both these candidates would never have been considered if they were White men. You guys screwed up this election by spending too much time on race and gender. I’m a swing voter btw and can’t believe the Democrats are on track to lose this election. Just pathetic.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  89. Paul says:
    @Levtraro

    “When the welfare state is funded by payroll taxes and the locals refuse to output offspring then eventually the state has to open the borders to young workers to replenish the pension fund and pay for pensions in sustainable manner.”

    That is propaganda that is often peddled. And it is incorrect as long as there is normal, compounding economic growth.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @Levtraro
  90. @Nonny Mouse

    Be serious. Never going to happen. America is wedded to the car. This from a person who ONLY uses public transportation in Boston.

    Most of the rest of the country does not have public transport as good as in Boston. And never will. Too expensive to implement. Distances are too far.

  91. My Father, who came to this country, and professed his love for it daily, would not believe the travesty it has become.
    He is gone now, but the sorrow is endured by me.

    Bernie Sanders is not an American, he is one of those frustrated old commie revolutionary idiots from the sixties, who have done nothing productive in their lives, but bitch about the same things that all the old commie revolutionaries repeat since Marx.

    The shame of it all is that this country is so full of useful idiots, that always listen to anybody that promises a free handout, making this freak appealing to them.

    • Agree: Dannyboy
  92. Poco says:
    @RadicalCenter

    I’m unlikely to ever vote for a candidate besides myself again. As I see it as a waste of time. It also engenders a dirty feeling. Just vote for myself.

  93. @melpol

    Nonsense. he is not and will not be a hermit. In fact the Orange ball is the hermit twitting at 3:00 AM chowing burgers. Sanders is the one who truly represent progressive populism and not the burger boy.

    Sanders is badly vilified and demonized not just by the mostly dumb Republicans but also by the dinosaurs of the Democratic party who in reality are minions of neoconservatism, war and interventionism.

    It is the fear of change that has rattled both the democratic and the now for sure Fascist Republican party. Increasing number of the young and educated and also middle and working class are swaying towards policies proposed by Sanders and his true populist agenda .

    • Agree: Cassandra
  94. @Levtraro

    When the welfare state is funded by payroll taxes and the locals refuse to output offspring then eventually the state has to open the borders to young workers to replenish the pension fund and pay for pensions in sustainable manner. In this case the welfare state necessitates some degree of open borders (not the case in America currently of course).

    Whoa! You’re confusing apples with oranges there. A pension system is one thing; but what about healthcare, education and unemployment? They’re an entirely separate matter. And even in the case of a pension system, your argument would only make sense if all of those ‘new Americans’ actually made enough to pay into it. This idea that letting in hordes of illiterate, unemployed third-worlders is a great way to keep a pension scheme solvent is the liberal version of voodoo economics.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  95. Wally says:
    @Nonny Mouse

    – There is no such thing as “free public transport”.
    – Please stop the lazy, Communist, “I don’t want to work for a living’ nonsense.

    said:
    “carbon emissions and the manmade part of global warming.”

    – “Carbon” / C, is a solid, Carbon dioxide / CO2, is a gas and is beneficial. Quit lying.
    – There numerous examples of CO2 as % of the atmosphere being much higher than today with much lower temperatures.
    – There is no such thing as laughable “manmade global warming”.

    – recommended short list:
    Most Massive Scientific Fraud In Human History: https://principia-scientific.org/most-massive-scientific-fraud-in-human-history/
    NOAA 2.5 Degrees F Data Tampering – ‘Science Doesn’t Get Any Worse Than This’ : http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/03/21/delingpole-noaa-2-5-degrees-f-data-tampering-science-doesnt-get-any-worse-than-this/
    100% Of US Warming Is Due To NOAA Data Tampering: https://realclimatescience.com/100-of-us-warming-is-due-to-noaa-data-tampering/
    1973 : Brown, Columbia, Oregon State Universities Predicted A New Ice Age: https://principia-scientific.org/1973-brown-columbia-oregon-state-universities-predicted-a-new-ice-age/

  96. As a disaffected Trump voter, I don’t really care who wins at this point. No wall, no end to birthright citizenship, barely any deportations. Instead we get increased legal immigration, A mass release of criminals and constant shameless pandering to every racial group but that one that elected him. I hope Bloomberg wins. We live in an oligarchy with one specific hyper privileged racial group at the top, and it sure as hell ain’t whites. Make it explicit. Make it obvious. Make it so clear that the dumbest, most head in the sand small brain understands what the deal is.

  97. Mass extinction from fossil fuels? Who wrote that pap? Greta?

  98. @RadicalCenter

    But if everyone doesn’t go to college then the only methods of indoctrination that will be left will be the 12 years of primary school, 95% of television, 95% of the news media, 95% of music, 90% of online media and our 45 year old single aunts….

    it would be a complete disaster. Anarchy would ensure almost immediately.

    • LOL: Dannyboy
  99. He’s a classic liberal Democrat, not as ambitious as former Presidents Franklin Delano Roosevelt or Lyndon B. Johnson…

    Two of our greatest war criminals. Nice choice of heroes.

    He acknowledges it was a mistake that he voted for then-President George W. Bush’s 2001 invasion of Afghanistan.

    But he didn’t condemn Bush for lying about Islam, calling it a “peaceful religion”. No Democrat did. (Well, perhaps Sam Francis or Bill Kauffman…)

    Sanders wants to raise the federal hourly minimum wage to $15.

    That is grotesquely cheap for immigrants. Their minimum wage should be at least $30. Better, $50. Even better, $75. There are no “jobs Americans won’t do” at $75/hr.

    Also, every employer who hires a foreigner should insure the health and dentistry of the individual he hires, his entire nuclear family, his aunts, uncles, and first cousins back home, and so on.

    …I’d start the discussion at $50.

    And I’ll start the discussion for foreign-born at $150.

    Don’t tell me that will cost jobs. The minimum wage was originally designed to cost jobs– for women and blacks. Look it up.

    We can easily afford to get closer to “richer” countries that offer completely free college — tuition, fees, housing, books, everything — economic dynamos like Turkey, Uruguay, Slovenia, Morocco, Malaysia, Brazil and Kenya.

    And which class of people get this “free” education in these countries? And how many?

    Socialists, democratic or otherwise, are anti-interventionist.

    Khrushchev in ’56? Brezhnev in ’68?

    No real “socialist” shares his views.

    No real socialist would tolerate a free-radical cartoonist like Ted Rall. The commissars would examine every drawing to give it their imprimatur– as long as it doesn’t go against the view of “the people”.

    Perhaps we could institute single-payer cartooning. Under the present regime, we’d get more patriotic material. And it would no doubt cost less.

    This goes tenfold for Hollywood.

  100. FB says: • Website
    @Wally

    Trump Landslide 2020

    LOL…just wait little wally…if Bernie can do what we all think he can and take the Dem nomination on the first ballot…Trumpstein is toast…

    • LOL: Wally
  101. @James Stark

    The first step to admitting you’re an utter fool is to post on social media so that everyone can see it including the powers that be. They’re my masters too. Moreover, the curiosity of the Unz review is that what appears to be a Government modeled honey pot for anti-semites is in fact an open outlet for impulsive idiots. What would a wall do? People will figure out ways around it before they finish building it. Just more theft from the taxpayers by the ruling class. The problem in American society doesn’t come from Mexicans, or blacks, other minorities, or poor white people, the problems all stem from the parasitic ruling class and the zombie voters who support them, left and right. Right wing voters can see the craziness of voting for Sanders, but can’t see the craziness of voting for Trump or W or someone like them.

  102. FB says: • Website
    @Carlton Meyer

    You make some sensible points…

    However, the underlying principle still stands…the higher edu system needs to be accessible to all, and it should take each young person to the edge of their ambition…

    If you want to be a doctor, that’s fine…but how much does that cost in today’s financialized America…?

    How about an engineer…or any number of serious professions…?

    I do agree that there is a hell of a lot of fluff in higher edu…obviously the system needs to be carefully designed and calibrated so that upper income free-loaders who go into basket weaving need to justify their educational subsidy…

    That’s not rocket science…that’s just efficient administration…

    But the US will never do this…even Bernie is going to have a hard time [the next POTUS, get used to it]…

  103. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Approvalvoting.org

    ” The question is what do we do given that those we have to vote for are so awful?”

    Forget about the big “we”, for a start. Concentrate instead on the big “you”.

    Don’t vote for any candidate who is going to enlarge government via more laws, more taxes etc. etc., and less freedom for you. It’s a complete waste of your valuable time on this earth.

    Instead concentrate on freeing yourself ‘by any means necessary “, so that you at least diminish the detrimental effects that all of these scam artists/crooks are otherwise going to have on your precious life.

    Regards, onebornfree
    http://onebornfree.blogspot.com/

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  104. FB says: • Website
    @Carlton Meyer

    If people hate oil pipelines they should sell their car and buy a horse.

    That’s actually the best way forward…look, let’s face it…most retards on the road today would be far less dangerous driving a horse buggy than an automobile…that there is reason enough to go back to the tried and true…

    The fact is that we are captives of the automobile [and oil and finance] industries…there is no bigger racket today than automobiles…if you add up the numbers you will find that you spend more on those four lousy wheels than on the roof over your head…[in many cases]

    Being an avid horseman myself I can state positively that there is no better mode of transport, all things considered…of course if you really need to cover some ground you need to get on an airplane…

    Incidentally…airplanes account for only a tiny fraction of the air pollutants that are most troublesome, like NOx…this is a function of combustion temperature, and turbine engines have a much lower combustion temp than pistons…

    PS…I don’t buy the carbon bullshit…not by a longshot…but toxic shit like NOx is really a big problem for human health…

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  105. @Lina O. Satan

    You’re right. And I wouldn’t have a problem per se with locking up the heads of the federal reserve and their member banks, the military profiteers, the pharmaceutical profiteers and death-peddlers like the Sacklers, and the very few billionaires who own more than the rest of us combined.

    Take their ill-gotten loot and use it to put us citizens to work rebuilding our bridges, roads, tunnels, schools, and building additional hospitals (and reopening rural hospitals).

    Once the mob gets going with that “revolution” and revenge, though, where would the confiscation and violence stop? With the level of anti-white hatred in this country and the viciousness of the African population in particular, would WE be safe?

    Would some of us be successful and “wealthy” enough, compared to them, to “deserve” to lose our property and maybe be exterminated or locked up too? Hard to put the genie back in the bottle.

    But we can’t keep getting exploited and robbed forever either….

  106. Cyrano says:

    Why is socialism so scary to the US deep state? On the most basic human level, a transfer to socialism will mean replacing the current elites with socialist ones.

    Socialist elites will be no different in terms of thievery, but probably they would crash the economy since socialists usually don’t know how to run an economy.

    So the basic fear that the US deep state has of socialism is that the socialist elites will replace them. That’s how they came up with the “bright” idea. Instead of the elites being replaced in a socialist takeover scenario, the bright minds of the deep state decided to replace the working class with the third worlders.

    If the first scenario – replacement of capitalist elites with socialist ones – can be called Socialist revolution, I guess the replacement of the working class of the west with enthusiasts from the 3rd world should be called Capitalist revolution.

    Either way, the idea is retarded, because when the 3rd world hordes become majority in the west, the capitalist elites will be finished – not by socialist revolution, but by ethnic revolution.

    In any case, Bernie is not that kind of socialist that seeks to replace the current elites with some other elites. Which means the elites are safe to continue to implement their paranoid idea against their working class by replacing them before the working class can get any fresh ideas of replacing the replacers.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Miro23
  107. gotmituns says:
    @Moi

    israeli citizen/commie same thing – a joo is a joo.

  108. Bernie, Don’t worry, be Happy

  109. I am an unfortunate turk who has no choice but represent a country that has fallen so low that its president is a well known sociopath, a big loser, an infamous lunatic and brainless twat who thinks of himself a big shot while he’s a nobody.

    We have to lick his unwashed ass if we want to stay alive. Like every petty dictator, he can’t handle any real life situation without exploding into pathetic outburst of anger.

    His two last stupid ideas were to invade Syria and Libya, with the results we all know: he got his ass kicked by his betters, but instead of understanding and stepping down he goes further into stupidity and madness by blackmailing Europe to send islamic hordes to invade them.
    Already nobody liked Turks before that but know he’s making us look even more ridiculous.

    Mr Pompeous, please, could you send one of your CIA ‘regimechange’ squad and put a bullet between his eyes or maybe you could do it with a small insect drone, same as the one you used to spread the lab made so called covid19.

    Anyone there to terminate the piece of shit erdogan and flsuh him down the toilets?

  110. FB says: • Website
    @Cyrano

    Socialist elites will be no different in terms of thievery, but probably they would crash the economy since socialists usually don’t know how to run an economy.

    Where did you get that silly idea…?

    Of course it needn’t be mentioned that you have absolutely zero factual arguments to support that nonsense…

    Here is my rebuttal…the most astounding economic progress in national economic growth was during the Stalin era of the Soviet Union…simple fact…look up the growth rates…something like 65 percent over three decades…

    Next is the China example of the last thirty years or so…not quite as dramatic but very very good…

    Where is the capitalist example…?

    The fact of the matter is that a nation state needs to set goals, in terms of industrial, scientific and educational development to achieve human progress…capitalism has never done any of this…the only time this has ever happened in America was during the FDR era, which basically built the modern American state…infrastructure, accessible energy for the people etc…

    In the 1960s JFK mobilized the entire country to catch up to the Soviets in space technology…another great example…

    Look at us today…what the fuck is King Bezos doing that is going to make such huge strides…or Conman Musk, a total sham that is only going to crash and burn because it is built on hype, not physics…

    The US achieved its apex in the couple of decades following World War Two…the incredible suffering and Holodomor of the 1930s where millions of rural folks literally starved was overcome thanks to FDR and his ‘socialist’ agenda…

    Throughout the Great depression, the population was pushed to its limits making America highly susceptible to fascism as unemployment skyrocketed to 25%, industrial capacity collapsed by 70%…

    I will add that in that decade the US suffered a population shortfall of TEN MILLION…unequaled in its history…

    And then FDR was elected…

    The money-changers have fled from their high seats in the temple of our civilization. We may now restore that temple to the ancient truths. The measure of the restoration lies in the extent to which we apply social values more noble than mere monetary profit.

    …FDR thundered in his inauguration speech in 1933…

    How to Crush a Bankers’ Dictatorship: A Lesson From 1933; Matthew Ehret

    Also…the reason Socialism is so ‘scary’ is due to the most basic ploy of all…indoctrination…you see, once the sheeple are successfully brainwashed, they will naturally do everything that the ruling class wants…even cutting their own throats and that of their children…because the ideology is the RELIGION…

    Like all religions, the capitalist religion is simply SUPERSTITION…and of course man has proven throughout the ages that superstition rules his very existence…hence we have the religious fanatics of all stripes, and their analogs in the political realm, the indoctrinated dumbshits that are doing everything they can to stay perpetually as a Helot class for the billionaires…

    • Agree: Catiline, Nonny Mouse, Biff
    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Cyrano
    , @Thomasina
  111. Popeye says:
    @melpol

    From what I gather Bernie is a very cranky very irritable son of a bitch.. I hate his finger wagging. A very annoying bastard. A debate between assholes trumpet and comrade would be great! May the bigger asshole win

  112. Popeye says:
    @onebornfree

    I used to think that fascism and communism were polar opposites..but no they are points on a circle… Lenin once said that Mussolini was the very best Socialist in Europe @1918… before Benito became the founding father of fascism soon after

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  113. Hmmmmm Goat in the Sky…….

  114. Wally says:
    @FB

    Yeah sure, comrade. Communism is always so successful.

    Speaking of “indoctrinated”, you said:

    “Here is my rebuttal…the most astounding economic progress in national economic growth was during the Stalin era of the Soviet Union…simple fact…look up the growth rates…something like 65 percent over three decades…”

    source: Stalin & his Communist USSR’s always reliable statistics.

  115. Anyone familiar with Rall knows he is an extreme leftist. His headline is hilarious as Sanders is, indeed, a leftist radical.

  116. ANZ says:
    @obwandiyag

    The Democratic Party heavy hitters have circled the wagons are are rallying against Sanders. While this could be dismissed as political theater, I don’t believe it is. Look where Sanders pulls in the campaign money from. It’s not like the last organizer in chief who blew Wall Street for his war chest. Sanders pulls in real grassroots money in a decentralized way. This would make him more beholden to his base in a way that no other candidate is. I don’t like his brand of populist politics, but all the same he is the only populist in this race who is a serious threat.

  117. Cbdfiend says:

    This article def made me more confident in Bernie. He seems to legitimately have good intentions, and a plan of sorts. Perhaps there is some idealism, but he does not seem to be very selfish in his pursuit of power. He’s got my vote most likely.

  118. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Popeye

    Yes, Mussolini was the head of the Italian communist party, before he “invented” fascism.

    Also, Hitler was in the German communist party prior to adopting and then adapting Mussolini’s fascism and calling his adaption “the Nazi party” , “Nazi” being an abbreviation of the full term [German ] National Socialism”.

    And, ironically , todays US “alt- right” typically calls itself “Nationalist”- which gives a clue as to to where we’re all really headed under Trump and all of his “nationalist”cronies.

    Which is : Mo’ gubmint, mo’ gubmint. mo’ gubmint- and consequently , a lot less freedom- just like we’ll get under Sanders [ or Warren, or Gabbard, or Buttigieg, or Bloomberg, or any other present Democrat or Republican candidate].

    And so it goes…

    Regards, onebornfree

  119. @John Johnson

    PPPPPHH! not sure what Universe you live in, but in US flyover country, being on welfare and food stamps is a life goal for whites.

    And I wish people would stop talking shit about art, music, and poetry degrees vis-a-vis STEM degrees.

    Me: Studied for STEM degree, being white got the very minimum of financial help, had to work and spend hours commuting, it was really not going to fly no matter how smart I might be, burned out, dropped out.

    If I’d gone for…

    Art: Well, this is what I was expected to do, and I have a familiarity with the materials that’s hard to replace. I’d have ended up doing signs probably, and if you keep your eyes open you can see how much of a need there is for decent lettering out there. Signs cost a fortune these days too! It’s a sign painter’s market.

    Music: This is what I was actually interested in, and no matter what instrument you study, you have to learn a lot of piano and there’s always a job for a piano player in any whore house, a type of establishment Hawaii has in abundance. A fellow I know who got his piano degree, then went STEM (EE) and worked at that for a while, is back tickling the keys and no doubt making more and is happier.

    Poetry: How useless, right? With a degree in poetry I could work in commercial writing, get past the gate-keepers to teach English overseas, or with a few classes on top of my degree, program computers just in case there actually is any money in that.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  120. poop says:

    Bernie is a fraud. He has already proven that when he licked Killary’s taint after getting “screwed” the last time around. Bernie has shown himself to be a very well compensated sheepdog, keeping the US American left in line and “voting” for the establishment candidate. Here is the reality:

    Never trust a guy who’s never worked a day in his life to speak for “the working man”.

    Never trust a joo to “fix” joo problems.

    Never trust a grown man whose given name must be “Bernard” or something of that nature but goes by “Bernie.” In his late 70’s.

    Never trust a guy that promises unicorns shitting out jelly-beans.

    I will be sitting this election out, as I refuse to participate anymore in the charade. US American “Democracy” is a sham, only giving the ruling elites the pretense of legitimacy. Fuck them and fuck “Bernie”. Fuck Trump, too. All of ’em. Fuck ’em.

  121. i am not a socialist. But free college is appealing. Here’s the problem: Universities and colleges , schools in general are state matters. And the growing federal role in dictating policy is problematic. I have to admit that I was not fond of NCLB, however, upon closer examination, it was a great policy, It was false that it tied an instructors hands, and it was false entirely. And unlike the federal press since then, it did not mandate cookie cutter anything and it certainly did not impose the new gender peculiarities.

    But NCLB aside, the programs being pressed today concerning human ontology are made to create cookies in thought and expectation. And worse, it attempts to remake the natural order of things with fixes that aren’t fixes at all. Trying to impose the speculative notions of nongender in a gender endowed world — over the top.

    Trying to license the dating world by permission slips and contracts. Thinking that all diversity is beneficial totally unsupported by real life.

    In my view, federalizing education —- even financially, which will result in more invasive indoctrinating —- is radical.

  122. @Authentic Mensa Homosexual

    The problem in American society doesn’t come from Mexicans, or blacks, other minorities, or poor white people, the problems all stem from the parasitic ruling class and the zombie voters who support them, left and right.

    Technically true but excessive immigration from south of the border is a legitimate concern.

    California took the attitude of immigrants are never the problem and now they have a lot of problems as a result.

    Their prisons for starters are overpacked to where the gangs are in charge.

    The liberal California response was to legalize numerous crimes including theft (Prop 47).

    They also have problems with their schools and have slowly accepted that “more funding” isn’t some magic elixir (but won’t admit this publicly).

    So people have seen the results in numerous areas and don’t trust the left on immigration. The left ruined their own credibility with bunk theories centered around White people being the problem.

    I’m a swing voter with mixed opinions on immigration but I’m not surprised nor offended that so many people have supported Trump’s strong views on the wall. Left-wing opinions on the third world and immigration fall apart under critical thinking.

  123. @alex in San Jose AKA Digital Detroit

    PPPPPHH! not sure what Universe you live in, but in US flyover country, being on welfare and food stamps is a life goal for whites.

    I live in rural America and I haven’t met a single person that bragged about using ebt. The men here work hard and want jobs that don’t require them to use government assistance. They definitely wouldn’t make a rap video where they brag about using it.

    And I wish people would stop talking shit about art, music, and poetry degrees vis-a-vis STEM degrees.

    I have no problem with people getting art or music degrees and I believe artists are very important in society.

    However I don’t think the government should give them a full ride when we are massively in debt from the welfare state and military spending.

    The other problem is that as you know those music and art degrees contain about few quarters of grievance studies as do all undergrad degrees. So we aren’t just paying for art or music. We are also paying some Sociology prof to fill their heads with left-wing garbage. Most art or music grads couldn’t tell you who wrote das kapital but will tell you that socialism would have worked if not for conservatives or bad Whites or something. It’s a pop level bias which makes it very annoying.

  124. Thomasina says:
    @Pandour

    Bernie is the one who wants to hand out the most free stuff.

    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits, with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.”

    I agree with socialized health care, but not for illegals, and only the brightest and best should ever attend university.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  125. Cyrano says:
    @FB

    I am not going to argue with you on this one FB. We are on the same side. My opinion has always been that pure capitalism sucks more than pure socialism. The only trick is how to get the perfect mixture of capitalism and socialism.

    China is not the best example. Remember how back in history separation of church and state used to be a big thing. China has set a new trend: Separation of politics from economics. In China only the political system is still socialist, the economy is totally capitalist. And yet it is proving to be a more successful model than the classic tandem of capitalism with phony democracy.

    You are right about FDR and WW2. If FDR didn’t introduce some socialist reforms, capitalism would have been toast. In fact one of the conclusions that the Americans drew from WW2 was that a little bit of socialism and a lot of war are good for capitalism.

    Then after the war they came up with even brighter idea – how about if we replace a little bit of socialism with a little bit more war – the equation remains the same and reduces the need for socialism. Then in the 1960’s they came up with the phony socialism idea which they thought would completely eliminate the need for any socialism at all. And they still stick to the idea that war is good for capitalism (even when you are not particularly good in this endeavor).

    • Replies: @FB
  126. Mass extinction? Hardly.

    [MORE]

    We now know that the sun plays a role in climate in at least three ways. The solar constant is not constant. In fact in watts/meter squared it has increased at least one watt per meter sauared since the mini ice age between 1645 and 1715.

    Also we know that the increase has primarily occurred in the UV part of the spectrum and UV is what penetrates the oceans and even the land.

    Finally, we know that the solar winds, which block cosmic rays have increased considerably since the mini ice age and the significance of that is that cosmic rays enhance cloud condensation nuclei in the presence of biogenic vapors.

    (Be10 is created by cosmic rays and is the best proxy for it.)

    The earth has become much less cloudy since the mini ice age as a result of the increase in solar winds and the decrease in cosmic rays.

    I wish my liberal (which I am one) colleagues would drop the AGW crap. Ted Rall needs to get a clue.

  127. MarkinPNW says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    I’ve heard that BNSF railroad, or its owners, was a big supporter of the Keystone pipeline protests, in order to allow the railroads to continue a near monopoly on crude transport.

  128. ANZ says:
    @John Johnson

    I agree with most of your assessment.

    In sons places like flyover country, especially in smaller towns, there is still a good amount of civic pride and community where people are aware of whose on the dole and who is not. I see a bit of stigma in my neck of the woods where it would be shameful for an able bodied man to suck the government teat. It goes against a healthy sense of male pride to not work and provide. This serves as a type of check against rampant abuse of the system. At least in my area anyhow. Still there are degenerates but not too many.
    I think the anonymity of larger environments allows people to essentially hide from the social shame, because the social fabric is frayed anyhow. That and there are entire cities and enclaves where everyone is on the dole, hence less shame.

    A good amount of the Europeans that I have talked to tell me that only the best and brightest in their countries are vectored to university, which is free for them. Thus free works and benefits society. But herein the US, every dimwit and moron is not only encouraged to attend college but are actually given free money to go, especially at the community college level. It’s a huge waste of resources on a group of people that act as a drain on society in that capacity (tech ed excepted). Most should learn a trade and forgo the renaissance education.

    Regarding free goverment programs, only fund those that provide a long term net benefit to our country and trim the fat as well.

  129. The demon-rat candidates are all communists aka bolsheviks and some are hiding it and some are not and they all would like to put we American patriots up against the wall.

  130. Thomasina says:
    @FB

    FDR stepped in to help his rich elite friends and to prevent the country from going “commie”. The U.S. has always been run by a rich elite. They “allowed” a middle class to form, that is until they formed strong unions and started to get too uppity, in the eyes of the elite. That’s when they shipped the jobs to China.

    China would still be back in the Stone Age without the U.S. going in there. 60% of all manufactured goods exported out of China and destined for the U.S. were manufactured in China by U.S. multinational corporations. They did it for the cheap labor and no environmental controls. What has happened to the U.S. middle class since? It’s going, going – almost gone.

    The U.S. is run by a oligarchy (government by the few, a small group of corrupt and greedy individuals). Who owns the Federal Reserve? Who owns the banks? Who owns the media? Academia? The courts? Who owns the politicians? It ain’t you.

    The U.S. is run by monopolies. There are already existing laws on the books to go after these monopolies, but no one does.

    The bottom are bought off by welfare, food stamps, subsidized housing, cell phones, which keeps their mouths shut. The middle are getting crushed because the jobs were offshored. The top are doing just fine.

    If capitalism had been allowed to play out in 2008, none of the banks would have been bailed out. They would have been split up and sold off for pennies on the dollar. Those who took stupid risks would have pounded sand.

    Instead, government the savior stepped in and bailed everybody out. And nobody learned a thing.

    Of course capitalism needs constraints. The main problem is the government got in bed with the elite and together they rule by oligarchy.

    The minute the jobs started heading to China was the time people needed to have spoken up. Tariffs should have immediately been put in place to capture the wage and environmental disparities between the two countries. Businesses would have thought twice about going overseas.
    China has been the beneficiary of the American people not speaking up.

    The U.S. is quickly turning into a Third World country.

    • Agree: Miro23, RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @FB
  131. Anon[256] • Disclaimer says:

    Finally, there’s the Green New Deal. Sanders wants to abolish fossil fuels in the U.S. within 10 years. He’d spend trillions to accomplish that. But consider the alternative: mass extinction. Not doing it is the wild and crazy option.

    You almost made it through the article without destroying your credibility. Come on, we can survive a few degrees of heat (if it even comes to that).

    On free college, this has been tried or partially tried in many parts of the country, such as California with the Cal State system, and Tennessee. The results are always bad. Graduation rates are terrible. American students will lose a lot of motivation if college is free, and a lot of them will go to college without taking it seriously. You can google it on your own time. In general, community college is the US’s version of free college, and it works pretty well in general. It makes far more sense to pay for community college than for 4-year liberal arts college. We also, of course, have great financial assistance programs and work-study programs.

    The minimum wage idea might be a good idea, I am open.

  132. FB says: • Website
    @Cyrano

    Don’t forget Socialism for the one percent…debt slavery for the rest…the current model that the brainwashed zombies [who usually don’t have a pot to piss in] totally support…

    Yes, the right mix is the key…and also the separation of politics from economics…but China’s core economy [the very big banks, energy companies etc] are all state-owned…they set the pace…

  133. FB says: • Website
    @Thomasina

    I agree with almost all of your valid and cogent observations…

    The only part that is sketchy is the idea that China would be ‘back in the stone age’ were it not for the greedy capitalist elite that moved production there, in order to reign in the ‘uppity’ middle class [and grab their share of the national wealth]…if you look objectively at the numbers, exports [especially to the US] make up an increasingly insignificant part of the Chinese economy…Germany is a lot more dependent on exports…

    Basically this is a wrong-headed conceit that says China is not capable of developing on its own…not true…the technology lead of Huaweii for instance, is very real…the Chinese are industrious and intelligent folks with a very long history…

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  134. @Spanky

    FWIW, my impression was that he was saying interests tend to distort principles.

    Most of us here are on board with the notion of non-intervention, but actual policy tends to be inflected by those who have “interest” and very often it seems they are not troubled by principle.

    What they tell themselves, though–and what most of them truly believe–is that their principles just happen to align with their interests.

  135. NPleeze says:

    He’d spend trillions to accomplish that. But consider the alternative: mass extinction. Not doing it is the wild and crazy option.

    Sort of had me until that insanity crossed my gaze. Mass extinction? LOL.

    While is a “nutter view”, I would happily trade “wasting” money on renewable energy (i.e., providing lots of jobs and alternative energy in the end is a good thing even without the Climate Scare) instead of wasting it on the MIC and its perpetual war crimes and mass murder, which, along with tax cuts to the nefarious trillionaires, is the Orange Satan’s preferred way of wasting it.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  136. NPleeze says:
    @Thomasina

    Bernie is the one who wants to hand out the most free stuff.

    Not sure Tulsi is far behind. Question is whether he can get all that through Congress, which need to make those decisions.

    As far as the Executive is concerned, it’s responsible for war. On that metric, the Bern is 1 million times better than the Orange Warmonger/ZioNazi.

    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. …”

    The US certainly is no democracy, not even remotely close. We wouldn’t have billionaire worthless scum like the Orange Satan if it were.

    only the brightest and best should ever attend university.

    Agreed in part – I think the German model is excellent both for healthcare and education. In Germany universities are free, but only the top talent (based on very difficult post-high school exams) get in. Others go to trade schools (e.g., learning auto mechanics or plumbing), which is also free. Some can go to community colleges.

    The big problem in the US with both education and healthcare is the astronomical costs. Doctors are vastly overpaid due to artificial shortages created by the doctor union, the AMA. Universities are way too expensive because 90% of their budget goes to “administration”, whereas 90% should go to “teaching”. Though I doubt the Bern would fix any of that.

    I certainly, like you, cannot support an illegal alien getting $50K per year in “tuition” to pay useless administrators and then get an education in Gay Studies or similar useless crap. That’s just insanity.

    Note the Orange Satan isn’t even remotely looking to fix any of these problems.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Thomasina
  137. Miro23 says:
    @Cyrano

    Socialist elites will be no different in terms of thievery, but probably they would crash the economy since socialists usually don’t know how to run an economy.

    So the basic fear that the US deep state has of socialism is that the socialist elites will replace them. That’s how they came up with the “bright” idea. Instead of the elites being replaced in a socialist takeover scenario, the bright minds of the deep state decided to replace the working class with the third worlders.

    Well, they better also work fast at building an Indian (red dot), Chinese and Latino middle class in the United States, because advanced western societies are run by their middle classes.

    Either way, the idea is retarded, because when the 3rd world hordes become majority in the west, the capitalist elites will be finished – not by socialist revolution, but by ethnic revolution.

    Then the question is 1) whether the Zio-Glob are able to build a new Indian/Chinese/Latino middle class and 2) will it loyally work for the Zio-Glob as “Global Citizens” (who happen to be based in North America) and successfully replace the old Anglo American middle class?

    If not, then maybe it’s chaos (“a state of complete confusion and lack of order” – Oxford American dictionary) with the Zio-Glob and their third worlders (all classes) booted out of the United States back to their countries of origin. The US returns to its 1950 Anglo-European-Black ethnic citizenship and is no longer multicultural.

    The evidence is, that in chaotic situations, ethnicity counts for more than universalist ideas of “class consciousness” and worker’s brotherhood.

  138. @Authentic Mensa Homosexual

    A wall would do the same thing the trump election did, send a strong message of “Go home”. Border crossings dropped by a huge percentage after trump was elected. Obviously a wall would not be 100% effective, but so what? If you are sick and the only cure is only 40% effective are you going to refuse it on the grounds that it’s not a perfect solution? The only impulsive idiot here is you. Try using your brain for a moment before just saying stuff. And idgaf who knows I have the opinions I have. I’m not a coward and I’ve never done anything illegal. They don’t imprison you for badthink directly. They find some other minor illegal thing you did and throw the book at you with 5000% of the normal penalty for that charge. For someone who purports to be against the elites you sure like to try and scare people into shutting up about them with your paranoid talk of honeypots.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  139. eah says:

    He is campaigning, and I suppose saving time is important — still …

    • Replies: @eah
  140. eah says:
    @eah

    Bernie Boards Wrong Private Jet In Awkward Senior Moment

    He’s 78 y/o, and recently had a heart attack, followed by a procedure to place stents.

  141. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:

    As much as I hate both parties, I want to see the Democratic Party destroyed so I can stop hearing about stupid niggers and their concerns all the time. American blacks, next to Jews, have made this country absolutely intolerable to live in as a decent human being.

  142. Sparkon says:
    @NPleeze

    While is a “nutter view”, I would happily trade “wasting” money on renewable energy (i.e., providing lots of jobs and alternative energy in the end is a good thing even without the Climate Scare) instead of wasting it on the MIC and its perpetual war crimes and mass murder, which, along with tax cuts to the nefarious trillionaires, is the Orange Satan’s preferred way of wasting it.

    I agree it’s the nutter view, but already we can see the big downside to wasting all that money on renewable energy, which costs more than it is worth.

    It is the people who pay to keep these crackpot schemes afloat.

    Neither wind nor solar can carry its own weight, and so the people must pay extra to make up the difference. No way can that be good. Of course, the wealthy can shrug off skyrocketing utility bills, but the poor cannot.

    Now some of those poor people are living in tents on the sidewalk because so-called renewable energy drives up costs for everyone, costs which are then handed down the food chain to the poor saps at the bottom.

    Wars and renewable energy both have bad outcomes for the average Joe.

    We can do better.

  143. reezy says:
    @Authentic Mensa Homosexual

    the problems all stem from the parasitic ruling class

    Maybe so. But even if indeed so, it certainly does not at all imply that “Mexicans, or blacks, other minorities” are also not real tangible problems. They are.

    And while we’re at it, you can add debauched faggotry (not implying that’s your style of homosexuality btw) to the list.

  144. Patricus says:
    @Paul

    Paul,

    I don’t understand how Sweden has a higher quality of life than the US. If Sweden became the 51st state it would be the poorest state. Norway, on the other hand, has a high quality of life and would rank within the top ten or twelve American states. Switzerland has a high standard of living. The rest of Europe are considerably poorer than Americans. Venezuela is a basket case.

    True that Sanders is probably not a socialist. He wants socialized medicine but no other government ownership of the means of production, at least not that I have read. He would like to raise everyones’ taxes and that would make all of us poorer. Wealth would abandon America for other nations.

  145. Ko says:

    So, the party of diversity and inclusion, open borders, anti-white and self-hating whites, qwerty’s, and antifuks, comes down to selecting one of two ancient white men.

    One is a brittle minded monstrously corrupt lying racist who stood up to Corn Pop at the swimming pool, and the other is a pissed off old communist who thinks communism doesn’t suck more than he sucked HRC’s wrinkled, dirty lesbian butt after she cheated him in 2016.

    If Trump canceled the elections because he thinks his opponents are too pathetic to lose to, I’d be ok with that.

  146. @NPleeze

    I certainly, like you, cannot support an illegal alien getting $50K per year in “tuition” to pay useless administrators and then get an education in Gay Studies or similar useless crap. That’s just insanity.

    Yes and that is what Bernie supports.

    What would actually happen is that people from all over the world would pretend to come here on vacation and would stay for 4 years to get a free degree. If caught Bernie would give them a $50 fine and a stern warning.

    This is the problem with leftist globalists. They can’t see how a blind policy like this one would have unintended consequences. The underlying problem is that leftists believe that being a nationalist in a majority White country is wrong. They pity the third world and can’t say no to them.

    What we need is a movement that kicks the globalists out of the Democrat party. The globalist arguments don’t hold up to scrutiny, they’re just propped up by the media.

  147. @Patricus

    I don’t understand how Sweden has a higher quality of life than the US. If Sweden became the 51st state it would be the poorest state.

    Per capita GDP alone isn’t a measurement of quality of life. That doesn’t tell us about how the average person or family lives.

    Sweden does in fact have a better quality of life for average workers and better medical care.

    But you really can’t make a 1:1 comparison because they don’t have the same levels of military or welfare spending.

    The underlying problem is that liberals bet heavily on race not existing and the government is drowning in debt because of it and military spending. Conservatives are just as bad as they have turned the free market into a religion and don’t want to face these issues honestly either.

    I don’t have all the answers and I support expanding health care to everyone but we can’t become Sweden. These globalist leftists need to face that fact and think critically about how we can improve our country. They will have to face the racial factor honestly even if it is difficult.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  148. @John Johnson

    Except Socialism works, and works well. It’s lifted billions out of poverty in China, took Russia from an essentially Middle Ages feudal system to attaining an early lead in space and keeping it, it’s worked fine in Cuba and Viet Nam and a bunch of places. Even under heavy attack from the US, often in concert with other fascist or proto-fascist regimes. And before you sputter and say “But gulags”, Stalin at his very worst never had as large, in absolute numbers or as a percentage of the population, prison as the US has as a matter of routine.

    It’s been described as “an ideal system for ideal people” and unfortunately people are not ideal, especially not Americans who are raised in an Ik-like “one against all” environment.

    • LOL: Wally
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  149. @John Johnson

    “What would actually happen is that people from all over the world would pretend to come here on vacation and would stay for 4 years to get a free degree.”

    Oh, like how it is in Germany? Yep, free degrees in Germany, you have to figure out the language and how you’re going to support yourself for the time it takes to get the degree, but that’s how it is there. And yes, some Americans are doing this – getting degrees in Germany. Almost all of us are poor as shit so there’s no flood of Americans streaming in, but there’s a trickle anyway.

  150. @alex in San Jose AKA Digital Detroit

    Except Socialism works, and works well. It’s lifted billions out of poverty in China, took Russia from an essentially Middle Ages feudal system

    Are you actually using China and Russia of examples where socialism worked well? Both countries starved millions of people to death. Taiwan also lifted people out of poverty and without having to send people off to camps for saying the wrong thing.

    Stalin at his very worst never had as large, in absolute numbers or as a percentage of the population, prison as the US has as a matter of routine.

    Stalin intentionally worked millions to death in the gulags. When we send people to prison we don’t kill them in mines or let them get typhus and die.

    It wasn’t just the gulags. There is also the holodomor and Dekulakization.

    Why don’t you read a bit more before using Russia and China as paragons of socialism. Both eventually dumped Marx’s economic plans which tells a lot.

    Stick to the current leftist strategy which is to cite Sweden as the model while avoiding the pesky issue of race.

  151. Thomasina says:
    @FB

    I watched a really good interview by Chris Hedges of Ralph Nader wherein Nader described things going well until about the mid-70’s for labor (if I remember correctly). First of all, this is when Nixon and Kissinger went to China to court the Chinese elite.

    Shortly before his appointment to the U.S. Supreme Court by Nixon, Lewis Powell wrote the Powell Memorandum, a confidential memo (titled “An Attack on the American Free Enterprise System”) to the Chamber of Commerce. After this, the Chamber of Commerce ramped up its political activity. David Harvey sees this memorandum as the beginning of neoliberalism. Nader said he saw it all begin to unravel during the Ford and Carter terms.

    Of course, what started on the Right was quickly picked up by the Left, and together the two virtually became a Uniparty and crushed the labor movement. Jobs started to be offshored to China beginning in the 80’s and wages have not even kept up with inflation since that time. When jobs can’t be offshored, workers are brought in (illegals and H1-B’s) to provide cheap labor and new consumers for business, and keep wages down. Great, the good higher-paying jobs have been offshored and there’s even competition for the crappy jobs!

    I wasn’t talking about “current” China. I was talking about Stone Age China. Germany might be a lot more dependent on exports NOW (raw steel, auto parts), but it was the U.S. going into China that started the China ball rolling, provided the much-needed American technology and know-how.

    Go ahead, dissect the rise of China like we dissect WWI and WWII here at Unz. Pull it apart, follow the leads, and then come back and try to tell me that “China did it all on their own”. Yeah, just like Hitler did it all on his own, without any “help” or provocation by the Allies. Wink, wink.

    Of course the Chinese people are industrious. That’s why the U.S. corporations went there. They’re not really religious either (good, it doesn’t interfere with their work). They are conformist and obedient, for the most part.

    But the best part of all for the U.S. multinationals was that the Chinese elite were willing to be bought. They orchestrated the use of the cheap Chinese labor and allowed the pollution of their country. The elite from both countries have become filthy rich. The Chinese elite all own homes in the West and have secured dual citizenship.

    The U.S. created China. Without the U.S. elite going in there and becoming partners with the Chinese elite, yes, China would still be back in the Stone Age.

    China – made in the U.S.A.

    • Replies: @FB
  152. @alex in San Jose AKA Digital Detroit

    Oh, like how it is in Germany? Yep, free degrees in Germany, you have to figure out the language and how you’re going to support yourself for the time it takes to get the degree, but that’s how it is there.

    Yes and international students go there to get free tuition which is completely stupid on the part of the Germans. We would get far more students because English is the desired language and we not only have more universities but also lower entry standards.

    Our debt to gdp ration recently hit 100% and you want to offer free college to foreigners? That is insane.

    This is why people don’t support leftists. You are defending programs that benefit foreigners over the national population when we can’t even afford the current budget.

    I would be for free college if we cut out the lesbian studies degrees but liberals would never go for that. They absolutely want every student to sit through Social science classes on how Whites made the third world and ruined socialism. They would scream it isn’t fair to only pay for medicine or tech degrees. So just forget the whole thing and focus on health care. As someone here already pointed out there is a lot of tuition assistance for 2 year colleges.

  153. FB says: • Website
    @Thomasina

    Again…I agree with your take on the rise of neoliberalism [under both US parties] in the 1970s and the subsequent beggaring of the middle class by labor arbitrage…offshoring plus bringing in migrant workers…

    But again you are simply dead wrong on some key points…China certainly wasn’t ‘stone age’ in the 1970s…they were the fifth nation to successfully launch a satellite into earth orbit in 1970…beating the UK by a year, and behind only major technology powers Russia, US, France and Japan…see the Dong Fang Hong 1…

    It was similarly not far behind the west in nuclear technology, going back to the 1960s…the first Chinese atom bomb was tested successfully in 1964…the first hydrogen bomb in 1967…the first Chinese ICBM was tested in 1970, the DF5…and fully operational and deployed by 1981, with a range of over 10,000 km and able to strike the US with ease…

    These are hardly the accomplishments of a ‘stone age’ nation…

    Let me point out that nuclear and space technology is NOT the same as mickey mouse consumer crap like chips and electronics [which is what most uninformed Americans think is the sine qua non of the ridiculous catchall term ‘technology’…]

    This salient fact is of course easily observed by any discerning person…no country on earth is going to share DIFFICULT technologies like nuclear and space with others…electronics on the other hand have spread around the world…and the leaders in much of this space are Asian [Japan, Korea, Taiwan, China etc…]

    So obviously this kind of ‘technology’ is of a much less difficult nature than rocketry and nuclear…

    These consumer electronic technologies have very little real meaning to anything other tha the couch potato lifestyle…they are not necessary for even the most ambitious human undertakings [see Apollo program]…they play almost no role in things like ICBMs and nuclear weapons…while many much more difficult technologies do…ie navigation, propulsion, chemistry etc…

    The fact of the matter is that China from the get-go in 1949 set about with a very clear purpose to develop these very difficult technologies…see the history of the Chinese space program…

    And they have successfully done so long before US private corporations decided to use Chinese labor to make consumer crap…

    Also not true is your contention that environmental concerns are not important in China…nothing could be further from the truth…sure things were different thirty or fifty years ago, but they were much different in the west too…the EPA was not formed until 1970…

  154. @Paul

    Fair point, Paul.

    Also, why do we need to use payroll taxes or any direct taxes on normal people’s income to fund the welfare state? We can generate enough revenue for a substantial universal basic income (UBI), for example, through other means.

    We can place our God-given natural resources under public ownership: oil, natural gas, coal, and all metals and minerals under the ground. John Locke himself said that men could justly farm and homestead the land and its fruits, but only so long as they left “as much and as good for others.” The tiny number of people and corporations purporting to “own” our natural inheritance are not doing that, and it’s time they were made to do so.

    This definitely does NOT mean that the companies doing the extraction, refining, processing, and distribution of the resources should be government entities. God no.

    Let private companies do it but pay us, all of us, for the full value of what they are taking out of what John Locke called the commons.

    The proceeds from the sale of the oil, nat gas, coal, minerals, and metals would be paid in equal shares to all US citizens as a monthly UBI. (This would be yet another good reason, if any were needed, to make it much harder for foreigners to acquire us citizenship.). No taxes on our income, payroll or otherwise, needed to fund this UBI.

    What people do with their UBI, what they make of it by investing or saving or squandering it, that’s on them. There will still be a wide range of incomes and net worths, and that is perfectly just,

  155. @Patricus

    Sanders and his ilk should not support even the existing direct federal taxes on our incomes, let alone considering new ones.

    Place our God-given natural resources under public ownership and use the proceeds from their sale to fund a substantial universal basic income for all adult US Citizens. Please see my more detailed proposal in comment number 156 below.

    To add a detail to that proposal, anyone convicted of a felony could be made to forfeit his UBI while in prison, to reimburse the taxpayers for at least that part of our expense in imprisoning him. The point is not to be taken advantage of, but to provide a floor under all Americans so that they need not live in fear and anxiety, let alone on the street.

  156. Wally says:
    @Patricus

    said:
    “True that Sanders is probably not a socialist. He wants socialized medicine but no other government ownership of the means of production, at least not that I have read.”

    Nonsense. You don’t need to “read” anything, just listen to Communist Bernie.

    – He wants unaffordable government control of all healthcare for everyone, including parasitical illegal aliens, and banning of private healthcare.

    – He wants government control & ownership of the energy sector, which obviously means controlling just about everything else. Try doing and manufacturing anything without energy.

    – He wants a government controlled unaffordable & useless “Green New Deal” based upon fake Communist ‘science’ which guarantees government control of everything,

    – Government control of college, free tuition for everyone and for Illegals who haven’t paid a dime into system, utterly unsustainable.

    – Government control of housing for illegals and others who refuse to carry their own weight.

    – Government control of wages including boosting pay of women who already are overpaid for less difficult, less time consuming, less technical work, less demanded work.

    Trump Landslide 2020

  157. @alex in San Jose AKA Digital Detroit

    A fair point, up to a point.

    We are raising a reasonably large family and place a priority on foreign language skills. Our older children have been learning German from a very young age. This is partly because of my pride in my German heritage and vestigial knowledge of German..

    We had thought that one of them might choose university in Germany as a way to get marketable skills through a quality, internationally accepted and respected higher education at a lower cost than most options here. And one of them still might.

    But the Germans’ pathetic unwillingness to stop the influx of hostile, less civilized, less industrious, or less compatible peoples is making us reconsider. Demographic changes are proceeding steadily in Germany (and Austria), as are the cultural changes that naturally accompany them.

    In short, if we wanted our dear children to live among dangerous and dimwitted Africans, we could keep them right here at “home” in the USA.

    If we wanted them to live among aggressive Muslims pushing their totalitarian “religion” on the wider society, we already have a range of other, nonEuropean countries to choose from (as well as England, Sweden, France, and Italy, in time).

    If we expected that Germany were likely to still be German, or Austria likely to still be Austrian, twenty and forty years hence, we’d be glad for the children to study and live there. Even settle there if their career and personal life lead them in that direction. As things are heading currently, we hesitate to encourage them to apply for university in any of the three German-speaking countries, to say the least.

    FWIW, we will not be enrolling the youngest children in German, even with the incentive of free college tuition down the road. They will be learning Russian (as a possible escape hatch, despite their own serious demographic and Islam problems). They will also acquire fluency in Spanish (because sadly, we expect it to be a coequal or dominant language in much of the former USA, not just here in California).

  158. @alex in San Jose AKA Digital Detroit

    ” Yep , free degrees in Germany, you have to figure out the language and how you you are going to support yourself for the time it takes to get the degree”

    Totally wrong and you simply do not know what you are talking about : First off native and refugee individuals who are attending university in Germany and have no means of support are automatically provided with full gov benefits : Housing, medical and pocket money.

    Look before we get into a pissing contest regarding this subject : myself I resided there for over forty years, and was married to three upper-echelon German ladies, an MD, a “Von” and my current wife a retired “Gymnasium” teacher.
    I attended university there engaged in classical musical studies, and was active as a pro jazz performer for decades, therefore I can say without reservation that I am far more informed as to the circumstances there than yourself, period.

    AJM

    PS : “Gymnasium” has nothing to do with “Gym” as in the US variation, in Germany.

  159. @John Johnson

    One of my siblings almost died of hunger. On paper it would have been pneumonia, but she was simply not getting enough calories. None of us were. We have many, many die of hunger in the US and was lost about 10 million in the 1930s depression. Who knows how many we’re losing now.

    We have people dying in their 40s in jobs like coal mining, construction, etc. We work people to death in prisons, as prison labor is a huge segment of the US economy. Sure the deaths are written up as disease, or accident, or looked at a prison Nazi gang member wrong, but it’s simple working-to-death.

    Typhus is back in the good old USofA, and we’re a festering breeding ground for many diseases due to Capitalism’s requirement that a certain portion of the population be kept miserable, so miserable that the majority will work their asses off at work they hate to keep from meeting the same fate.

    Now we have Covid 19, which will go through our homeless camps like wildfire, and thanks to its high contagion rate, will hopefully take out plenty of non-destitute also. Of course the destitute, of which the US has a huge proportion, will suffer the most. I remember from a hungry childhood being knocked out for weeks by a simple cold.

    I like the Sweden idea. Have something like capitalism, because people like the winners/losers dichotomy, but make it like a weekend baseball game not a cage match to the death.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  160. @Authenticjazzman

    I bow to your greater knowledge.

    Would an American have to have a valid claim for asylum to get a degree in Germany with that kind of support?

    It sounds wonderful! I wish I’d had the knowledge to get the hell out of the US in my 20s when my back was strong and I could do physical work all day, as I did here in the Evil Empire. I’d have gotten to Germany or France and done any kind of work to get citizenship.

    I’m pretty old now and only getting older. And papers and record-keeping have become a lot more rigorous. The best I can probably do is find some corner of the US that’s not very “American” and hide out there. Basically find the place that has the least (a) English-speakers and (b) Protestants and it will be a less evil part of the Evil Empire.

    Amazingly, I actually know that “gymnasium” means in Europe. It’s best explained to Americans I think, as the first two years of college, that you take at about the same age as Americans are doing their last two years of high school.

  161. Thomasina says:
    @NPleeze

    Part of Trump’s promises had been to tackle the high price of healthcare. He probably had good intentions, until he got read the riot act, no doubt, by the elite who control everything. Not only have the Democrats been fighting Trump tooth and nail, but so have the Republicans. Neither side of the aisle want to see any changes. If you can’t even get your own party to help you, you’re stymied.

    You are right to say that the education and medical industries are top heavy, crammed full with administrators and clipboards making top dollar. They are monopolies. As I’ve said before, there are laws on the books to go after monopolies, but no one does it. These administrators don’t provide much in the way of education or health care, but they earn top dollar and make up a good part of the tax base. The bottom and middle don’t pay much.

    I’ve read that healthcare costs could be decreased by 80% if these monopolies were split up, if there was true competition. I believe it. Yes, the American Medical Association might call themselves an “association”, but they are one of the strongest “unions” going, although they don’t like to be called that. Restrict the number of doctors, which keeps fees high.

    As far as education, as soon as the government (which is the real problem!) stepped in and guaranteed all educational loans handed out to people who could barely fog a mirror, the banks went crazy. No longer did they have to ask hard questions of the borrowers because they weren’t keeping the loans on their books; the government had their back. All of a sudden there were more people wanting loans than spaces, and so the price went up. The government created an artificial supply and demand situation by sticking their nose where it shouldn’t be stuck.

    I do not hold the disdain for Trump that you do, neither do I hold any admiration for Bernie Sanders, who folded when he got steamrolled over by Hillary in 2016. He got hit over the head with a 2 x 4, and yet what did he say? “I support Hillary!” What a clown. 40 years in office, and I don’t remember hearing him screaming about much. Not really.

    Trump and Sanders were just advised that the Russians are working again to get them both elected. What did Trump say? “Another hoax.” What did Bernie say? “Yes, we’ve got to watch out for those evil Russians.”

    Sanders is a player, part of the elite. He will do nothing, although I predict he will be even more of a warmonger, especially against Iran. Trump is all talk (he has to be); he’s surrounded by neocons in his own party and by Democrats beholden to defense contractors.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @NPleeze
  162. @Roger

    Why not make the minimum wage equal to the salary of a Senator?

    Why should Senators enjoy a higher income than anyone else?

    Alternately, Why nor set a Senators income equal to the median income of the country?
    (I’d make that 20 years retroactive)

    I’d like to hear Bernie’s argument against either one of those, or both.

    • Replies: @Roger
  163. ‘I’d like to hear Bernie’s argument against either one of those, or both.’

    Dunno about Bernie’s argument, but my argument is that the lower you make a senator’s salary, the more being a senator becomes a luxury enjoyed only by the rich.

    I’m retired now, but back in the day, I’d have happily become a senator if you’d made the pay $100k a year.

    Make it minimum wage — or even twice minimum wage? No thanks.

  164. NPleeze says:
    @James Stark

    Border crossings dropped by a huge percentage after trump was elected.

    Another TrumpTARD lie. They went up.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  165. @alex in San Jose AKA Digital Detroit

    I am fully aware of the crass inequality in the US and I don’t care for it.

    Even though I am a critic of the US left I am for universal health coverage and increasing spending on the homeless. I am definitely not a conservative.

    But that doesn’t mean I am going to sign up with the US left.

    The US left is part of the globalist left which is half the problem In both the US and EU they want open borders for the third world. In their minds White people are the problem and thus need to be overrun with immigrants to secure a voting bloc.

    What it comes down to is the US left isn’t serious about putting US workers first. If that was true then they would not be fighting Trump on immigration or arguing about transgendered hooh-hah. The EU has the same problem with their center-left parties. They want to help immigrants more than the native population and anyone who questions the policy is called racist or xenophobe. They don’t argue their position using reason.

    We have two establishment parties and in your mind one cares more than the other. It isn’t that simple.

    Like I said earlier we need a real nationalist left-wing party that kicks out the globalists. People that care about workers don’t clamor for more immigrants for the sake of ideology. Being for open borders means being for depressing labor wages. That is not pro-worker.

  166. @Thomasina

    I’ve read that healthcare costs could be decreased by 80% if these monopolies were split up, if there was true competition. I believe it. Yes, the American Medical Association might call themselves an “association”, but they are one of the strongest “unions” going, although they don’t like to be called that. Restrict the number of doctors, which keeps fees high.

    It’s not 80% or even close. That is libertarian propaganda.

    The AMA does act like a union but physician salaries are less than 15% of health care spending.

    There really isn’t much room left for savings in salaries. A bigger problem is drug costs which libertarians don’t like to talk about because the only solution is regulation and that goes against their religion.

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  167. NPleeze says:
    @Thomasina

    Part of Trump’s promises had been to tackle the high price of healthcare.

    You mean part of Trump’s package of cons and lies?

    He probably had good intentions, until he got read the riot act, no doubt, by the elite who control everything.

    Everything about the Orange Satan proves he is a total scumbag, from his adultery, rape, pedophilia, friendships, greed, narcissism, etc. It’s hilarious how his supporters worship him as a deity – if but for the Deep State! LOL, he IS the Deep State. You don’t get to be a billionaire in NYC off finance (which is what real estate is) and off mass media unless you play ball. He’s a lifelong liberal NY globalist who has hobnobbed with the banking and media elites.

    But, alas, Trump’s cultist followers keep, without any evidence whatsoever, positing he’s really this great guy who’s being forced to do all these bad things (but, no, they scream, he’s not being blackmailed with tapes of him and little girls from the Maxwell/Epstein operation b/c “see above Re: Trump the God”). It’s pathetic. Let’s put it this way: there’s no way you can force a good person to do bad things. The Orange Satan expects young American citizens to go to Syria and die to steal their oil fields, among other crimes, yet he, at almost 80 years old, is not prepared to die to save the Republic, AND, he is a hero/great person? Do the TrumpTARDs even listen to themselves?

    They are monopolies.

    Universities are monopolies? There are tons of private colleges and I think every or almost every state has a public university, not to mention that one can get numerous online degrees, etc. But there’s also no price competition. I can understand it in the healthcare sphere due to the AMA and its nefarious influences (limiting number of residency programs, preventing foreign-trained doctors from practicing in the US, and banning all forms of alternative medicine), but I can’t figure out why all universities have such a high overhead of administrators. I imagine it has something to do with federal regulations and requirements to obtain federal funding, including financial aid, upon which all universities rely.

    yet what did he say? “I support Hillary!”

    I’m not a fan, but he proved his loyalty to the party. Had he not, he still wouldn’t have won the 2016 nomination, and where would he be today?

    What did Bernie say? “Yes, we’ve got to watch out for those evil Russians.”

    You excuse Trump for falling to the Deep State on really important, critical issues, and you fault Bernie for playing the game for something so entirely trivial and inconsequential? Granted, Bernie’s comments on Russia were annoying (and your quote seems like a fabrication), but he did not limit his critique to Russia, but railed against all foreign interference in US elections. And of course Trump said it’s a “hoax”, even though his own DNI stated Russia was attempting to interfere (and I don’t blame them, the profoundly evil and hypocritical US interferes 1 million times more in virtually every other countries’ elections and political processes), because he is seeking re-election and the “hoax” undermines his chances (b/c American voters are, in general, stupid – there are a million reasons to vote against Trump, but the fact that Putin likes him, even if it were true, is not one of them).

    He will do nothing, although I predict he will be even more of a warmonger, especially against Iran.

    LOL, he’s a bit of a warmonger, but nothing like the Orange ZioNazi. He voted for the JCPOA, for example, which the Orange Satan destroyed, and instead, he imposed sanctions on Iran which murder 100,000s of innocent civilians – it is an act of state-sponsored terrorism, to murder the innocent in order to obtain political objectives. The Orange Terrorist is the world’s leading terrorist.

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  168. @NPleeze

    Another TrumpTARD lie. They went up.

    They went down in 2017 and then went back up in 2019 due to more people trying to escape failed Central American governments.

    Democrats in DC know full well that these immigrants are exploiting asylum laws to find jobs but want the status quo to continue.

    Bernie is making a huge mistake by wanting to offer more free stuff to immigrants. He also wants to bring in 50k “climate refugees” on day one. That is a terrible political strategy that Trump will exploit if they debate.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  169. NPleeze says:
    @John Johnson

    Nobody has an exact count of illegal border crossings, they are all estimates (sort of like the prevalence of prostitution or drug use). The only thing that is fairly accurate is the number of arrests of illegals crossing (sort of like the number of arrests for prostitution or drug use). But they did not “go down” in 2017, like anything else there are ups and downs in any human sociological statistic, including, for example, prostitution and drug use. To attribute it going down to Trump is laughable – first, there were no new walls put up during his first year in office; and second, he has not prosecuted employers, at all, for hiring illegals, which is the only way to stop illegal immigration and get illegals here to self-deport (which is exactly why he’s not dong ANYTHING about it – instead he crows forever about a stupid wall he’s not building so his cultist supporters can rave on and on about their Orange Satan and how he is “trying” but, without ever pointing any fingers, being stymied by the “Deep State”).

    If you had any brains at all, you would know that the biggest barrier to moving to another country is not getting in, but getting a job. I might want to live in England for 3 years, it’s trivial for me to get in, but hard to get a job – which is why I (and many others) don’t do it. Of course it’s not hard for an illegal to get job in the US – because the Orange Liar doesn’t bother, in contravention of his constitutional duties (of course the Constitution is irrelevant to Trumpists), to enforce the laws against it.

    The problem often is that TrumpTARDs tend to be ignorant, secluded, clueless dimwits who have never traveled internationally and don’t understand how the world works or what are the true obstacles to illegal immigration. And so they worship the Orange Satan’s cons for idiots and make endless excuses for the fact that their Orange Cult Leader is a snakes oil salesman.

  170. Thomasina says:
    @John Johnson

    I don’t really have a problem with physicians. They’re highly educated and should be well paid. Whether they are being paid too much (I think they are) is another question.

    But there are a ton of clipboards walking around (administrators). Put a stethoscope around their necks and get them on the line.

    The insurance companies – paper pushers. Filthy rich CEO’s.

    Pharmaceuticals – way, way too expensive.

    Half of the people should be fired.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  171. @John Johnson

    I agree completely. I know Marxists-Lenists talk about workers of the world being united, but I’m not sure how that means we’re supposed to make the 3rd world miserable and then send them packing for here. I thought classical Marxism-Leninism was what the USSR was doing which was to make conditions better in the 3rd world so they’d not want to leave where they are.

    It seems to me it’s classical capitalism to want open borders, to erode workers’ power where workers have some say in things.

    • Agree: FB
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  172. Thomasina says:
    @NPleeze

    “But, alas, Trump’s cultist followers keep, without any evidence whatsoever, positing he’s really this great guy who’s being forced to do all these bad things (but, no, they scream, he’s not being blackmailed with tapes of him and little girls from the Maxwell/Epstein operation).”

    LOL. Where is your evidence? I don’t see Trump into little girls. Big girls, yes. Tall, long legs, big hair, well-endowed, glitzy, but not little girls. Not his type. Guys who like little girls/pedophilia are types like Bill Clinton. They’re into power. Rape is all about power too, and I believe Clinton was accused of rape, wasn’t he? Trump is just interested in sex. He pays his hookers in cash, and he doesn’t care who knows about it. Some accuse Obama of frequenting steam baths, but who knows. I guess it will all come out in time.

    Bernie is playing right along with the “Russia is trying to get you elected” narrative. This is his way of letting the Deep State know that he won’t go against them. He’s a player, been around Washington for 40 years now. Bernie is a globalist, part of Team Neocon. Trump is a nationalist.

    And you’re worried about Trump being a warmonger? Who started the war in Syria? Why, it was the Black Jesus. Had Hillary been elected, Syria would have been wiped off the map. Who murdered a sovereign leader and destroyed Libya? Obama and Hitlery. Who orchestrated a coup in Ukraine and then started a war? Again, that would be Obama. I don’t believe in the sanctions against Iran, but if it prevents a war, then it’s better than that.

    Orange Satan…LOL. I’m just surprised Trump is still alive. The way the media and the Democrats have hammered him for the last four years with Russiagate, Ukrainegate, the illegal spying, the leaking, accusing him of everything under the sun, he should have buckled by now. Must have strong knees!

    Good talking to you.

  173. @NPleeze

    Nobody has an exact count of illegal border crossings, they are all estimates (sort of like the prevalence of prostitution or drug use). The only thing that is fairly accurate is the number of arrests of illegals crossing (sort of like the number of arrests for prostitution or drug use). But they did not “go down” in 2017

    Yes they went down in 2017 and they are tracked not only by arrests but also infrared drones.
    https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/09/politics/border-crossings-apprehensions-down-trump/index.html

    To attribute it going down to Trump is laughable – first, there were no new walls put up during his first year in office; and second, he has not prosecuted employers, at all, for hiring illegals, which is the only way to stop illegal immigration

    The president can ease off on border security just as a mayor can have the police back down or become more aggressive in perusing criminals. Illegal immigration is stopped all the time through security measures. Just ask all the Central Americans in Mexico that would cross if they could.

    If you had any brains at all, you would know that the biggest barrier to moving to another country is not getting in, but getting a job.

    The people fleeing failed countries in Central America do not have a job waiting. They are just trying to get in and there are plenty of interviews of the immigrant caravan on youtube where they talk about this. Their goal is to get into America.

    The problem often is that TrumpTARDs tend to be ignorant, secluded, clueless dimwits who have never traveled internationally and don’t understand how the world works or what are the true obstacles to illegal immigration.

    Uh-huh. Calling people names and trying to depict your opponents as backwards simpletons. I used to be a liberal and thought similarly until I started doing my own research and found that liberals are lying about major issues. That didn’t make me a conservative, I just concluded the US left is not nearly as educated as they think and in fact flat out lie on some issues like race, guns and immigration.

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  174. @alex in San Jose AKA Digital Detroit

    I thought classical Marxism-Leninism was what the USSR was doing which was to make conditions better in the 3rd world so they’d not want to leave where they are.

    Marx actually didn’t think every country was capable of adopting Socialism but that is too politically incorrect for today’s Marxists. The left today blames the third world entirely on the first world.

    It seems to me it’s classical capitalism to want open borders, to erode workers’ power where workers have some say in things.

    Yes and Bernie actually pointed that out once and then he later switched to globalist left.

    The EU/US left believes that White majorities are the problem so they support open borders as a means to an end. In their minds they are going to create a global utopia but they have to get rid of the Anglos first. Don’t ask them to explain why they can’t create their utopia in South America or Africa.

  175. NPleeze says:
    @Thomasina

    They’re highly educated and should be well paid.

    Being a doctor is not difficult, and doesn’t require “high education”. The biggest joke is dentists – how hard is it to learn about a tooth? But they make millions a year for working bankers’ hours or less. Why? B/c of massive anti-competitive barriers to entry, just like with every other field of medicine.

    Basically med school should start right after high school. A 4-year university degree is as pointless for a doctor as it is for an auto mechanic. But even if an auto mechanic was forced – by anti-competitive rules implemented by auto mechanics – to get a BS, it still would not justify charging the rates doctors charge. By example: I went to the ER for stitches a couple years ago. I could have put those stitches in myself, or anyone could have really, it was just a large cut that needed some help to heal properly. I was in the hospital 30 minutes, the physician was with me for 15 minutes. Cost? Over $3,000. Who else charges $6,000 per hour? Who? Nobody! It’s insane!

    The insurance companies – paper pushers. Filthy rich CEO’s.

    Rich CEO’s are also a problem in hospitals and medical clinics and every other industry. But by far the largest component – over 80% – of medical costs is doctor salaries. Insurance companies have to pay doctors to review medical bills – doctors that are paid market rate.

    Pharmaceuticals – way, way too expensive.

    Again, pharmaceutical companies hire a lot of doctors. These doctors all make $400-$500K/year. Reduce their salaries by 90%, to what normal people earn, and suddenly these costs also drop by 90%. It’s a very simple formula. Again, as with insurance companies and hospital bills, huge drug costs are a direct result of the massive over-payment of doctors for a simple profession.

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  176. NPleeze says:
    @Thomasina

    Where is your evidence? I don’t see Trump into little girls.

    There’s lots of evidence, Trumpists just pull a Sargent Schultz (“I see nothing ….”).

    [MORE]

    * Complaint for Rape of a Minor (Case 1-16-cv-07673) and Affidavits
    * Katie J’s Testimony v. Donald J. Trump (Video)
    * The ‘sex slave’ scandal that exposed pedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein
    * 7 Things You Need To Know About Trump And Sex Slave Island
    * Trump and Epstein – Social Gathering
    * Party planner’s surprise – Just Donald Trump, Jeff Epstein and 28 ‘calendar girls’
    * Israeli Collusion- Will Trump Be Trapped in Epstein Teen Sex Scandal [ video, watch 0:17:20 to 1:11:30 ]
    * Jeffrey Epstein in Deal to save Prince Andrew
    * TRUMP AND ROBERT MAXWELL
    * Donald Trump has paid about 30 million to settle child-sex complaints
    * Witness Alleges Donald Trump Raped 12-Year-Old ‘Maria’

    And there’s much more if you bother looking – just because the mass media cover up the controlled politician’s sex crimes, esp. pedophilia, doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

    Clinton was accused of rape, wasn’t he?

    Yes, so was Trump. But unlike Trump, Clinton was never accused of pedophilia.

    He pays his hookers in cash, and he doesn’t care who knows about it.

    Really? Is that why he lied about paying off various hookers? And the NDAs he makes them sign? And of course he’ll eventually cop to hookers, that’s not illegal (you don’t see him being prosecuted for his prostitution, do you? – of course not, he’s above the law.)

    Bernie is playing right along with the “Russia is trying to get you elected” narrative. This is his way of letting the Deep State know that he won’t go against them.

    Who knows why he’s playing along. My guess is he’s got enough battles without going against the Liberal narrative on Russia. That doesn’t mean he’s going to war with Russia, or that this argument will manifest itself in any way in policies. Like I said, it’s really a non-issue. Who cares if he thinks Russia is trying to influence US elections? They probably are, and who can blame them? Wouldn’t it be a complete failure of any Russian leadership NOT to use any peaceful means to avoid a military confrontation with the US? You sound like a Trumpist on Russia and everything else. Zero respect for cultists, be they for Jim Jones or Donald Trump.

    Why, it was the Black Jesus.

    It’s funny, Liberals didn’t come close, not even remotely close, to worshiping Obama. Trumpists are extreme idiots and cultists by any standard.

    Had Hillary been elected, Syria would have been wiped off the map.

    LOL!

    I don’t believe in the sanctions against Iran, but if it prevents a war, then it’s better than that.

    Your Dear Leader, the Orange Satan, has gotten closer to war with Iran than anybody – you do remember him assassinating the great hero, Soleimani? Sure, Bush and Obama were warmongers – but the Orange Satan is no better, not in the slightest. Sure he hasn’t started a “new war” (unless you count his new war on Iraq, which started when Iraq demanded he leave and he refused, or his many acts of war against Iran), but it took Obama a number of years before he attacked Libya.

    The way the media and the Democrats have hammered him

    The ConTard media has 100% supported him, despite the million reasons that “people on the street” (like me) have to despise him – they simply ignore all those points. It’s all controlled opposition. The mass media haven’t taken up any real claims against him – his pedophilia, rape, etc. They focused on his admission of rape (“Just grab’em by the pussy”) but didn’t follow up with the actual rapes of which he credibly stands accused, including pedophilia. Nor do they attack him for his war crimes, tax cuts to trillionaires while increasing taxes on the poor/middle class via tariffs, etc. End of the day the Liberal media just goads on Trumpists, which has worked remarkably effectively, so they worship their Orange Demon. If you can’t see through this fake “media attack” on him, you’re an idiot. Fox News is part of the Deep State, so is Breitbart, etc., and they all worship the Orange Satan. Wake up, FFS.

  177. NPleeze says:
    @John Johnson

    Yes they went down in 2017 and they are tracked not only by arrests but also infrared drones.

    Like with the so-called “unemployment” there was a downward trend that continued under Trumps’ first few months, after which it has steadily increased. See https://www.npr.org/2018/06/22/622246815/unauthorized-immigration-in-three-graphs , esp. the chart “Illegal Border Crossing Apprehensions Have Fallen Since 2000”.

    2017 saw a MASSIVE increase in apprehensions (from here):

    Now of course when it goes down you will credit the Orange Satan, when it goes up, it’s, what, the Wicked Witch’s fault, right? Fact is the Orange Satan hasn’t done anything meaningful to stop illegal immigration, and once again, the only way to stop it is to prosecute employers and the Orange Satan isn’t doing that. If you can’t get that basic fact in your head, you don’t even deserve to vote, but that’s the thing in a democracy, even the biggest idiot has the same vote as the biggest genius. Instead, you TrumpTARDs focus on a one-two month drop in immigration when those to the south actually believed Trump might stop illegal immigration – they soon realized he won’t do anything more than his predecessors, it’s the TrumpTARDs who are stuck in 2016’s rhetoric.

    Now, where is this data on these “infrared” drones? Do they catch daytime traffic or only nighttime? How many miles of border do they monitor per day? What are the numbers? Where are the charts? Enlighten me as to your “accurate drone reconnaissance”, lol.

    The president can ease off on border security just as a mayor can have the police back down or become more aggressive in perusing criminals.

    Border security ain’t stopping them anymore than in years gone past. In fact, with arrests so far down in 2017, as you claim, it is just as much proof that they are just letting the illegals get in without stopping them, isn’t it?

    Fact is I see illegals everywhere I go. Nothing’s changed.

    Their goal is to get into America.

    My God you are just being asinine now. Of course they don’t have a job waiting for them! But they know they can get one! That’s why they come! Duhhhh!

    I can’t stomach your stupidity anymore. Not even trying in good faith. Bye.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Poco
  178. “Both Germany and Great Britain adopted comprehensive programs of social-insurance legislation, the former as early as the 1880s and the latter in a series of laws culminating in the National Insurance Act of 1911. By 1914 [106 years ago] Western Europe generally had accepted the principle of social-welfare legislation with programs that included workmen’s compensation for industrial accidents, health and unemployment insuranc, and old-age pensions.” (A.A. Elkirch, Progressivism In America, 1974, p. 11).

    But America, you see, is too poor for such things, maybe because we pay 200% more than any other nation for the benefits of a private health care system that delivers public health rates worse than over 35 other countries in the world — along with our most grossly inegalitarian maldistribution of wealth (see Wilkinson & Pickett, The Spirit Level, for these statistics). Fewer infants and few mothers die in childbirth in Turkey or Cuba or 34 other countries than in America. Because we’re so poor and have such a great health system thanks to our wonderful Wall-Street invested insurance companies and especially thanks to all our absentee investors in hospitals and pharmaceutical companies and bill-collectors and medical schools that graduate 60% of the doctors America needs, by special longstanding unmentionable arrangement with the AMA. Boy oh boy, aren’t we the lucky ones! Thank god for capitalism.

    So we just better rally together and protect ourselves from that horrible Commie Socialist Pinko Rat Bernie Sanders! How dare he say nice things about Castro — that dirty Red, all those Cuban infants and mothers who didn’t die, they should have, for the greater honor of capitalism. Wall Street and the Vampire State Forever! Our motto! No Commies for America. Only idiotic patriotic drool permitted here. Big Brother says so. The Idiot Box says so. All the hired liars in all the lie factories say so. And you better say so too, you dirty pinko, if you know what’s good for you. What America needs most: more dead babies, more dead mothers, more people living on the streets, more hungry, more wretched, more people in prison. More people shot dead by police. Because, you know, WE’RE NUMBER ONE.

  179. Thomasina says:
    @NPleeze

    “Being a doctor is not difficult, and doesn’t require “high education”.

    “These doctors all make $400-$500K/year. Reduce their salaries by 90%, to what normal people earn, and suddenly these costs also drop by 90%. It’s a very simple formula. Again, as with insurance companies and hospital bills, huge drug costs are a direct result of the massive over-payment of doctors for a simple profession.”

    LOL. I’m not even going to bother responding to that. LOL.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  180. @obwandiyag

    They hate him for the same reason they hated Corbyn, he is anti zionist, and that’s the only reason.

  181. Levtraro says:
    @John Johnson

    “He actually had reasonable opinions on guns and immigration that he thoughtfully explained in previous interviews.

    Then he started running for president …”

    Exactly. Don’t you see he is lying to secure its left flank, the AOC faction? Leftists are notoriously fickle, they would not bother to vote if they are not very enthusiastic.

    As a follow up: if he gets the nominations (big if) he will change its tune on those matters and will become his previous self to take a chunk of the vote of the white working class from Trump, if his calculations predict that the loss on the left flank will be more than compensated by the win from Trump’s constituency. This is how it works.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  182. Levtraro says:
    @Paul

    It is not propaganda. Calculations are being made all over Europe to estimate the number and composition of migrants that will be needed in the next few years/decades to support the welfare state if current demographic trends are not reversed. This is going on along with effort to increase productivity and to reduce the load of pension payments. The euphemism being used for import of migrants is “increase labor force participation”.

    What you are missing is that demographic trends strongly impact economic growth. Search for a recent World Bank report on demographic trends and economic growth if you want to learn more.

    Bottomline, Friedman was wrong with that assertion if he intented it to be a necessary result of general validity.

  183. Levtraro says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    Read the part that you quoted from me: “(not the case in America currently of course)”.

  184. Roger says:
    @Bill Jones

    I like it, but let’s not stop there. Include the President, VP, and all bureaucrats employed by the federal government, most of whom probably gross more than the median income.

    I doubt Bernie will bring it up. If you get the chance, ask him about it.

  185. @Levtraro

    Exactly. Don’t you see he is lying to secure its left flank, the AOC faction? Leftists are notoriously fickle, they would not bother to vote if they are not very enthusiastic.

    He already had the left locked up with health care. The left needs to drop guns asap as they aren’t capable of even talking about honestly since it involves race. Bernie should have stuck with his position and asked Biden if he would support suing Ford over drunk drivers.

    As a follow up: if he gets the nominations (big if) he will change its tune on those matters and will become his previous self to take a chunk of the vote of the white working class from Trump

    Change his position again? He is on camera stating it was a bad vote. Now it’s a good vote?

    The real problem is that the left has gone naners on guns and immigration. Someone like Bernie needs to set them straight. Instead he joined the cult on the assumption that he can win without Trump voters.

    It’s bad strategy. Do I think Bernie has nuanced views? Yes but he shouldn’t hide them and we really don’t know if he will change back or not. If he wins he might stick with the AOC left. But he is making a debate with Trump a lot harder by not focusing on issues that actually affect people. The “gun violence” almost entirely exists in Black/Hispanic areas but the left doesn’t have the guts to face this and instead goes after rural White gun owners because it makes them *feel* better.

    Democrats would win far more elections if they were honest about gun violence and took a pro-worker stance on immigration. That’s really the main problem. They have a lot of feelings-based positions that don’t serve American workers.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  186. @NPleeze

    Now, where is this data on these “infrared” drones? Do they catch daytime traffic or only nighttime? How many miles of border do they monitor per day? What are the numbers? Where are the charts? Enlighten me as to your “accurate drone reconnaissance”, lol.

    How about doing some basic reading before coming here and calling people names?
    Half of US border patrolled by drone (2014)
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/13/half-us-mexico-border-patrolled-drone

    They also have a huge surveillance system using cameras
    https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-border-tech-20180416-story.html

    If you actually did any research on the border you would know that an argument against the wall is that it would be cheaper to increase electronic monitoring and detection. So you are calling Trump voters retards when you clearly don’t understand what happens at the border or the basic arguments of the opposition.

    Border security ain’t stopping them anymore than in years gone past.
    So why are so many Guatemalans stuck in Mexico?

    In the 80s they could just climb over with a ladder or go through a small hole
    https://www.nbc26.com/news/national/this-is-what-the-us-mexico-border-looked-like-in-the-1980s

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  187. Hans says:
    @Approvalvoting.org

    It ain’t worth turning on the lights to reply, AVO. Climate can’t take the extra heat.

  188. @NPleeze

    ” Trumptards tend to be ignorant, secluded , clueless dimwits who have never traveled internationally”

    Yeah like myself, a dyed in the wool Trumptard who has been active, internationally, as a Jazz performer for the last fifty years, who has studied classical flute in university, who has resided in Europe for four decades plus, and who has been Mensa qualified since 1973
    plus who is married to a (ret) German teacher and who speaks three languages fluently.

    You phoney leftists and your fairytales about your edumacation and your intelligence have been exposed and your gravy train is coming to an end.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro Jazz performer.

  189. @Thomasina

    Keep in mind Hitler had many efforts to kill him and the fucker kept ticking. Hitler was gibbering with untreated syphilis himself, dosed up with drugs by his “pet” doctor (which no doubt Tubby has at least one of) and ordering imaginary tank divisions around in the same way Tubby’s gloating over imaginary walls.

    These fuckers are like cockroaches or bedbugs – damned hard to kill.

    • Replies: @Hans
  190. @Authenticjazzman

    If you voted for Tubby then I’m going to “out” you as a Wafer, for Why America Failed, a term used on the author’s Dark Ages America blog. His position is that the US is irredeemable outside of some violent cataclysm, and anything that brings on the downfall of the US is good for the world at large. Needless to say they think Tubby’s great – a “world historical individual” whose place in history is to bring about the downfall of the US.

    I kind of agree, except that I just don’t like schoolyard bullies and that’s exactly what Tubby is. Also being too old and poor to leave the US, I’m not quite ready to do my part to damn this place all to hell however much it might deserve it.

    BTW, how do you know someone does Crossfit, qualified to be in Mensa, or plays “jazz flute”? They’ll tell you!

    • Replies: @Poco
    , @RadicalCenter
  191. NPleeze says:
    @Thomasina

    I’m not even going to bother responding to that.

    You can’t, it’s all true. Being a doctor is not any more difficult than being a teacher or plumber. Sure a lot of them have god-like arrogance, claiming they “save lives”, but farmers save lives too – I mean, who could live without food? Doctors are just arrogant pricks, in general, due to the culture that surrounds them, mainly in the US. It’s not that way in the rest of the world, but then again, you’ve probably never seen it.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  192. NPleeze says:
    @John Johnson

    How about doing some basic reading before coming here

    I’ve done more research than you ever will. I simply didn’t have any data supporting your TrumpTARD assertion, so I asked you for it. And you have not provided any, typical of TrumpTARDs – full of total bullshit and short of logic and facts.

    Your links don’t answer my three basic questions:

    1) Do they catch daytime traffic or only nighttime?Question unanswered.

    2) How many miles of border do they monitor per day? Your one article says they’ve monitored 900 miles of border, without any indication of how often, and that there were 10,000 flights between Mar. 2013 and Nov. 2014 (you do know, BTW, that this was during the Obama regime, yes?)

    3) And most importantly: What are the numbers?

    Since you excel at being disingenuous and ignoring the issues, let me recap. I noted that:

    Nobody has an exact count of illegal border crossings, they are all estimates (sort of like the prevalence of prostitution or drug use). The only thing that is fairly accurate is the number of arrests of illegals crossing (sort of like the number of arrests for prostitution or drug use). But they did not “go down” in 2017

    To which you responded:

    Yes they went down in 2017 and they are tracked not only by arrests but also infrared drones.

    Obviously claiming that the infrared drones show that illegal border crossings went down. Where is the data on this? Hmmm? Where is there any data of how many illegal border crossings the drones detected, and especially, that this number went down after your Orange Satan took office? Hmmmmmm? Where? The data please. Along with drone reconnaissance program information (frequency, terrain covered, etc.) to give assurances this data is accurate and complete. Put up or shut up!

    Oh, I hear the sound of silence. It’s Obama’s fault … right?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Wally
  193. NPleeze says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    and who has been Mensa qualified since 1973

    Only asshats claim Mensa status.

    who speaks three languages fluently

    If true, you would represent, what, 0.001% of TrumpTARDs? Did you notice the part where I wrote “Trumptards tend to be ignorant, secluded , clueless dimwits who have never traveled internationally”. Doesn’t your alleged “Mensa status” enable you to comprehend what “tend” means?

    You phoney leftists

    Another tidbit: if you were truly “Mensa” intelligent, you wouldn’t assume I’m a “leftist”, much less a “phoney (sic)” one, simply because I don’t worship the Orange Satan like you.

    Clearly, you have proven your IQ is far below Mensa level, and that you are a true TrumpTARD.

  194. @NPleeze

    I’ve done more research than you ever will. I simply didn’t have any data supporting your TrumpTARD assertion, so I asked you for it.

    You are the one that claimed we can’t trust the numbers the government provided. Why shouldn’t we when they can measure crossings via arrest rates and surveillance?

    Why would Trump’s government lie about an increase in crossings 2019? That doesn’t make any sense. Or did they only lie about a decrease in 2017? Why wouldn’t they lie about 2019 as well?

    If you don’t trust a government report then you need to explain why, especially when arrest rates alone are adequate and even the liberal press doesn’t have a problem with the numbers. The burden is on you to explain why even the press is wrong. I pointed out that the government collects data via numerous methods, it’s not my job to detail their reports for you.

    But what you really need to do is go back to watching the daily show and other late night talk shows where snarky “trump voters r stupid” jokes rule over serious analysis and trivialize any opposition. You will find that more enjoyable than having your views challenged here.

    I actually don’t even support the wall but I can just smell your type a mile away. You arrogantly want to assume the other side is just stupid when you clearly don’t have a basic grasp of the situation.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  195. @NPleeze

    You can’t, it’s all true. Being a doctor is not any more difficult than being a teacher or plumber.

    Totally ridiculous.

    What do you think they are doing in all those years in med school? Twiddling their thumbs?

    You think any random teacher can pass organic chemistry? My friend was an ed major and most of his classes involved showing up and repeating PC garbage. In fact for a couple finals he didn’t even have to study. He just showed up and wrote a PC essay before hitting the bars.

    There are a lot of smart teachers and plumbers but to say they could all be doctors is absurd.

    I’m beginning to think you are a college student that hasn’t yet figured out that your social science profs are just as full of s— as lysenko.

  196. @John Johnson

    Being a doctor is quite a bit harder than being a farmer. Being a doctor is probably closer to being that state’s or region’s agronomy officer. Being a farmer is more like being a tech who does what the doctors have told them to do this case X or case Y, and knowing when to ask the doctor for help. So we’re talking …. I know there are different grades of nurses, what’s the lowest one? Nurse practitioner? Not knocking farmers OR basic-level medical personnel, but there’s a hell of a lot a person has to learn to be a doctor.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  197. Wally says:
    @NPleeze

    LOL

    No wall will stop all illegals, but it surely does stop many.

    Besides, if border walls didn’t work there wouldn’t be the current Communist hissy fits against them.

    Speaking of walls:

    Crews build wall around new Obama DC home: https://www.theamericanmirror.com/photos-crews-build-wall-around-new-obama-dc-home/

    Not to mention the walls around the homes of Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein and Maxine Waters, etc., etc.

    Trump landslide 2020

    Hurts don’t it?

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  198. NPleeze says:
    @John Johnson

    Why shouldn’t we when they can measure crossings via arrest rates and surveillance?

    As I noted, arrest rates are not even an approximate measure of crime rates. Or do you measure the number of people, say, speeding or jaywalking by the number of speeding and jay-walking tickets? Well, you probably do, and since that is the level of your intellect, I shall stop wasting my time.

  199. NPleeze says:
    @John Johnson

    What do you think they are doing in all those years in med school? Twiddling their thumbs?

    Med school is … 4 years. Teaching school is … 4 years. Engineering school is … 4 years. In fact, every B.S. is … 4 years.

    Sure, there is a “residency”, another few years. That’s an apprenticeship. Every profession has them.

    There’s nothing esp. difficult about being a doctor. In Ukraine doctors are paid $400 / month, same as teachers. In many countries not much more.

    Americans suffer from many delusions, among them, the pathetic doctor worship. Just like people worship diamonds in the US. All a result of programming. The land of the free is actually the land of the brainwashed zombies.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  200. NPleeze says:
    @Wally

    it surely does stop many.

    So what? There was already a wall, and the Orange Satan has barely added to it.

    The point is, and TrumpTARDs constantly ignore, the indisputable fact that prosecuting employers is required to stop illegal immigration and to cause current illegals to self-deport. And if someone really wanted to stop illegal immigration and to get illegals already here to self-deport, rather than to sell cons to idiots, that’s what they would do.

    When faced with this most obvious of facts, TrumpTARDs come up with one pathetic excuse after another – like “wall stop some people”. Pathetic.

    Trump landslide 2020

    Hurts don’t it?

    I don’t care much, you may be a dimwit traitor/mass murderer that worships the Orange ZioNazi and forgives his many crimes, but I don’t support him, or Obama, or Pelosi, or anyone else that an idiot like you loves or hates.

    Though I do hope that TPTB decide the Bern beats the Orange Satan next round, just because I will revel in the knowledge that you TrumpTARD losers are in such pain about it. Yes, that will bring great joy to me to know you TrumpTARDs are having to live under the Commie Bern as “your President”! And that “elections have consequences”!

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  201. Poco says:
    @alex in San Jose AKA Digital Detroit

    Ah. So you, with your developed intellect believe he should have voted for Hillary Clinton.

    P.S. It’s neither your, nor anyone elses fucking business who someone else votes for, or why.

  202. Poco says:
    @NPleeze

    Summary execution for anyone hiring an illegal alien. Immediate deportation for the illegal and anyone who harbors him. If the employer made the hire based on false identity documents then execution for the illegal. No wall needed. I know this is “barbaric” and “harsh” but it WOULD solve the problem. If anyone was interested in a real solution. And really, there wouldn’t be many executions once employers and illegals knew it was for real. Probably fewer deaths than illegals cause now to people they should have never been within hundreds of miles of and they could stay in their own countries and enrich them.

    Of course, such a thing is politically unrealistic. The left and the neo-con right would shit all over themselves about the inhumanity of increased labor costs or the inability to bring in voters.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @NPleeze
    , @John Johnson
  203. NPleeze says:
    @Poco

    Summary execution for anyone hiring an illegal alien.

    I don’t think you need to be that harsh. Asset forfeiture, fines and imprisonment would suffice, esp. for businesses that have a pattern of hiring illegals. After all, the goal in hiring illegals is to make money – none of which works if you are losing your entire business.

    A huge bulk of illegals work in “conservative” California – to show you the utter hypocrisy of “conservatives”. If you know Cali demographics, you know that primarily the big coastal population centers (Bay Area, LA, and due to immigration now even San Diego / Orange County) are the “blue” parts of the state – most of the rest of it is red. And most of the red is farming country – which hires vast numbers of illegals to harvest their crops and tend to their herds.

  204. @NPleeze

    Med school is … 4 years. Teaching school is … 4 years. Engineering school is … 4 years. In fact, every B.S. is … 4 years.

    Yes we all know that a bachelor degree is 4 years. However there is something called difficulty and even teachers will tell you that an ed degree is not even close to as difficult as an engineering degree. It’s common for an engineering degree to take 5 years.

    Sure, there is a “residency”, another few years. That’s an apprenticeship. Every profession has them.

    Once again you show that you don’t know what you are talking about. Med school is 4 years of post grad and then it is followed by residency. So try 12 years until you are making the big salary and in the US they have to spend years paying off their debt.

    There’s nothing esp. difficult about being a doctor. In Ukraine doctors are paid $400 / month, same as teachers. In many countries not much more.

    Ukraine is a poor country and their economy is screwed up. Nice try though.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  205. @alex in San Jose AKA Digital Detroit

    Being a doctor is quite a bit harder than being a farmer. Being a doctor is probably closer to being that state’s or region’s agronomy officer. Being a farmer is more like being a tech who does what the doctors have told them to do this case X or case Y

    Heh? Did you reply to the wrong person? I’m not the one saying that becoming a doctor is no more difficult than becoming a teacher.

    It’s actually quite difficult to be a farmer full time. Most small town farmers have another source of income. People like Bloomberg think it’s just about putting a seed in the ground but it’s a big game of risk. You can’t just plant what you want and cash in. It takes a lot of research and even people that do it well don’t get wealthy.

  206. @Poco

    Summary execution for anyone hiring an illegal alien.

    Firing squads are not even needed.

    Just threaten a flat 20% tax on revenue with no exemptions. That’s all it would take.

    The left and the neo-con right would shit all over themselves about the inhumanity of increased labor costs or the inability to bring in voters.

    Yes and eventually one of them will have to give. Meaning either a populist left or right will eventually attack one side. The system is just too stupid and stacked against workers.

    • Agree: Poco
  207. Avrier says:

    @ Ted Rall

    ” as much fun as it must have been for my mom and her fellow villagers to watch Vichy collaborators and Nazi sympathizers being executed by the resistance at the end of World War II.”

    Dead at 84 years of age a few days ago, as you let us know,she must have been 10- 11 years of age to fully enjoy the show and she couldn’t resist ,years later, the pleasure to share it with you ? Right, grotesque clown ?
    You do not know what you are talking about and next time dont try to depict France’ sad history time or use the Godwin’s law better
    French? My ass. Stay away We have enough like you.

  208. Levtraro says:
    @John Johnson

    I agree with you Johnson on all those points, except about being a bad strategy. I think it is the right strategy at this point. Change again after being nominated (if)? No big deal. Just calibrate the level of nuancing when zig-zaguing in. But perhaps you are right and Sanders should be more straightforward, it wouldn’t be the first that someone reach POTUS-bliss by being sincere, or would it? I guess we will see what actually unfolds after some time.

  209. @onebornfree

    “Forget about ‘we’” makes sense if you mean placing top priority not on voting or political activism but on preparing your immediate family for dire situations. E.g., moving away from large cities, living near close family and friends whom you can trust, stockpiling food / water / ammo / medicine, living healthy and carefully to minimize the need for medical care that may become inaccessible, etc.

    But I’m thinking that you mean something much broader and more troubling by “forget about ‘we’.”

    Do you have a wife and children? Do you care about them? Do you care about anyone beyond yourself and (if applicable) your wife and children?

  210. @Pandour

    The only real argument is whether or not health care is a right.

    Something is not really a right if others are forced to provide it.

  211. @Poco

    I can sure have an opinion. And, I can voice it. That’s sort of a thing in the US, at least so far.

  212. @Avrier

    Scared of a 10-11 year old girl, are you? The Nazis wanted all non-Nazi history either erased or Bowdlerized out of recognition. Witnessing and remembering and passing it on is exactly what they fear the most.

    • Replies: @Avrier
  213. Avrier says:
    @alex in San Jose AKA Digital Detroit

    @Alex in San jose

    Do you understand what you read?

    What have the nazis and their memories to do with the thousands of extra judiciary executions by communist gangs of those they considered as political oponents to be purged?
    Let Ted justify his fantasy not very flattering for his mother, if he can,

  214. @NPleeze

    You’re right that deterring mass illegal immigration requires strict constant workplace enforcement.

    We need to remove the illegal job magnet,
    the LEGAL job magnet (H1B),
    and the Welfare magnet.

    As for the job magnet, start daily ICE checks and raids on construction sites and day-labor hiring centers (like Home Depot and WalMart parking lots). Mandatory prison time and a mandatory hefty fine for every person who employs someone who hires someone who is not a US Citizen. Mandatory felony, one year of prison time, and lifetime ban on reentry for any noncitizen working here illegally. No exceptions. Both US Passport and certified birth certificate required, not bullshit like a driver’s license (which even illegal aliens get in California, New York, and other States).

    Gradually reduce the number of H1B visas to a fraction of their current level, and substantially raise the minimum salary paid to someone working here under an H1B.

    To be specific, US Citizens born right here in the USA can and should learn the trades for which we are needlessly importing foreigners, such as IT and coding, medical technician (“lab tech” or “Med tech”), LPNs, nurse’s assistants, home health aides, construction, and trucking.

    As for the Welfare Magnet, make noncitizens, legal or illegal, ineligible for any taxpayer-funded benefit, subsidy, loan, or program. That means ending the practice of California to provide medical and dental care and daycare to noncitizens at our expense here in California.

    Of course no president of either party has ever seriously intended or tried to do these things.

  215. @alex in San Jose AKA Digital Detroit

    You’re not too poor to retire abroad with a decent standard of living and medical care.

    You can acquire permanent residency in some of the Latin American, Eastern European / Balkan, or SE Asian countries with a rather minimal income.

    Just $2,000 per month will get you in to a number of them, and that includes your Social Security benefits. So even if you have no pension and not much investment income, you can readily pull it off and leave the USA if you really want to.

    Costa Rica requires only $1,000 per month proven pension / SocSec income for permanent residency under the Pensionado program. The Rentista program is a good alternative, too. Several hundred thousand retired Euro Whites in Costa Rica, most of all Americans, but also smatterings of Canadians, Brits, Germans, French, Italians, Scandinavians. You can rely on English there, too, though it would be prudent (and respectful) to learn some Spanish.

    https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/100615/what-does-it-cost-retire-costa-rica.asp

    Then there’s Uruguay:
    https://internationalliving.com/countries/uruguay/visa/

    You can still fly back to visit family and friends in the USA, supporting the local economy while you’re back here. It doesn’t cost too much to fly back here once, and you can stay several months here each year without losing your perm residency abroad.

    And to the extent that voting matters, you can vote by absentee mail ballot.

    Go for it.

  216. @John Johnson

    How about state or city public banks providing long-term zero-interest loans to US Citizens born in the USA so they can become Medical doctors, physician’s Assistants, and registered nurses without a crippling interest burden? That will cut their student loan burden by at least half.

    In return, they could be required to:

    (1) practice medicine only in the public bank’s jurisdiction,

    (2) live only in the jurisdiction, and

    (3) pay a very high and unavoidable state or city tax on their income above a certain reasonably high amount,

    for a long period such as 20 or 25 years.

  217. Cassandra says:
    @Buddy Stevenson

    Trump is for Trump. Nothing and no one else. He is a malignant narcissist, and also a buffoon. He sets policy based on who pays him the most. So far, Sheldon Adelson and Paul Singer pay the highest by multiples, and whatever it is they want is probably the opposite of what is good for the rest of us.

    It has to be Sanders, and if it’s not Sanders then hold your nose and vote for Biden. At least Biden won’t burn the whole thing down, and he is only good for four years anyway.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  218. @Cassandra

    I do like well done satire.
    Please play again soon.

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