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In late October, a few days after local news cameras swarmed Detroit’s courthouse to hear closing arguments in the city’s historic bankruptcy trial, “Commander” Dale Brown cruised through the stately Detroit neighborhood of Palmer Woods in a Hummer emblazoned with the silver, interlocking-crescent-moon logo of his private security company.

Brown rolled down the window to ask a middle-aged woman walking her dog whether everything was okay (it was), and whether she had seen anything out of the ordinary (she hadn’t). Satisfied, he continued on, guided by a futuristic tablet map of the neighborhood’s languid streets. These had become even more impenetrable last year when the bankrupt city paid for and constructed a series of traffic barriers on the community’s edges. On his right, he pointed out, was the Bishop’s Residence, a 30-room Tudor Revival castle originally commissioned by a family of fabulously wealthy automobile pioneers who later sold their company to General Motors.

“This is the part of Detroit that most people are not aware of,” Brown told filmmaker Messiah Rhodes and me. And indeed, the turreted neighborhood did look far more like something you would find in Detroit’s mostly white suburbs than deep inside the city itself.

Brown is the founder of Threat Management, a private security company hired by the Palmer Woods’ neighborhood association to provide 24-hour protection to this elite enclave. He knows the two sides of Detroit more intimately than just about any of its residents. After a stint as an Army paratrooper, he moved to the city’s East Side in the mid-1990s and into a neighborhood dubbed “crack alley.” There, he started running free security for his neighbors and a few adjacent apartment buildings with only a rifle, a dog, and psychological tricks like heavily pocketed vests, since “pockets represent the unknown.” Next, he worked at a nightclub, enforcing such a strict no-beating-women-on-the-dance-floor policy that the joint soon had a regular stiletto-heeled line out the door.

Two decades later, Brown’s officers, with their distinctly paramilitary aesthetic, are among the most recognizable of a burgeoning number of private security personnel and surveillance systems scattered across neighborhoods in the former Motor City that people with money have decided are worth protecting.

But the future of the rest of the sprawling city — once the symbol of American industrialization and working-class power — remains at best insecure, physically and financially. In the 1940s, President Franklin Roosevelt declared Detroit, then the nation’s fourth largest city, the “great arsenal of democracy” for churning out bombers for the Allied powers, as in peacetime it rolled out cars for the consumer economy. Then the auto giants began closing their urban factories and reopening their plants in white suburbs. In the same era, the industry, national unions, and the FBI all cracked down on the labor organizations founded by radical black workers.

The foreclosure crisis of this century, fueled by racially discriminatory predatory lending, forced hundreds of thousands of residents out of the city. The governor’s office placed the public school system and then the entire local government under emergency management, suspending the democratic process in the “arsenal of democracy.” And now, after seven decades of these slow-moving storms, including acts that are almost impossible to see as anything but retribution against the city’s predominantly African American population, Detroit is often viewed from afar as a cautionary tale, a post-industrial dystopia of vacant buildings and dormant factories.

The truth, however, is more complicated. On the brink of a new, post-bankruptcy beginning, Detroit is really two cities. One is comprised of wealthy enclaves like Palmer Woods linked to a compact, rapidly redeveloping downtown. The other is made up of the rest of the 139-square-mile urban expanse, populated by longtime residents who have fought for decades to survive in an environment that has become increasingly uninhabitable.

In the first Detroit, private security is common and the living is relatively safe. In the second, running water has systematically been cut off from at least 27,000 households this year alone, the latest in a series of government-enacted policies that have made daily life an increasingly desperate battle. Rather than growing closer in the coming post-bankruptcy era, many residents fear that these two Detroits — already so separate and unequal — will have increasingly divergent futures.

Prophecy Fulfilled

On November 7th, a federal judge approved the city of Detroit’s plan to exit the largest municipal bankruptcy in American history. That bankruptcy, the need for which was hotly contested by residents and leading economists, was only the latest in a series of controversial steps that included Governor Rick Snyder’s imposition of an unelected emergency manager to oversee the city’s finances.

After 16 months of wrangling, city and state officials expressed cautious optimism about the bankruptcy deal, which eliminates more than $7 billion in long-term city debt and includes cuts to the pensions of city workers, a violation of the state constitution. Creditors and insurance companies agreed to accept less than full repayment of the debts owed by the city, in some cases as little as 14 cents on the dollar. The plan also frees up $1.7 billion for Detroit to reinvest in essential city services like the fire department and the rebuilding of its system of streetlights.

The new debt readjustment plan is not, officials cautioned, the solution to all the city’s problems but at least they consider it a good start. For Wayne State law professor Peter Hammer, however, lurking in the bankruptcy plan is a potential future that’s far more sinister than anyone is advertising. As Hammer explained, Detroit has become a blueprint for the creation of a “self-acknowledged, self-defined second-class city,” one where the state guarantees only the most basic services to most of its inhabitants: “some police,” “some fire protection,” and “a bulldozer department” to raze abandoned houses, while the remaining essential services will be available only on a private basis for those who can pay.

That Detroit is a more than 80% African American metropolis makes the idea of its rise from bankruptcy with second-class status all the more problematic. As Hammer explains, the plan for Detroit bears an eerie back-to-the-future resemblance to the famed Kerner Commission report of 1968, issued by a presidentially appointed panel in the wake of the urban rebellions that were then sweeping the country. Its findings were that the nation was moving toward two societies: black and white, separate and unequal.

“That was viewed as a call to action, as unacceptable in 1968,” comments Hammer. Nearly a half-century later, he adds, it’s portrayed as progress. The vision of a future Detroit as a sprawling second-class black city with a small, wealthy downtown and a few elite neighborhoods surrounded by thriving white suburbs will, he projects, bring the 1968 finding to life. “The truth is, what [bankruptcy] Judge Rhodes will do when he approves the bankruptcy plan of adjustment is ratify that conclusion as prophecy.”

Uninhabitable

On a Friday in mid-October, the evening before two U.N. officials were to begin investigating whether Detroit’s mass water shutoffs constitute a violation of international human rights law, Marian Kramer was rushing around finishing up last-minute preparations. There were out-of-town guests to attend to, children who needed to be picked up from the YWCA, details to confirm for the following morning’s meeting with the lawyers.

Kramer, who has closely cropped gray hair and a stride like the snap of a rubber band, is one of the leaders of the Michigan Welfare Rights Organization, a union of low-income people. She and co-organizer Maureen Taylor have been fighting water shutoffs since Highland Park, an independent city enclosed by Detroit, first began disconnecting water service in the 1990s. Hers is among a collection of groups — known as the People’s Water Board Coalition — that called on the United Nations to pay Detroit a visit.

As Kramer shuttled about in her minivan, she narrated the history of the streets rushing past. Detroit is, after all, a city best understood by driving past its steepled churches, past the barbecue joint that, back when the auto factories were still open, attracted lines around the block, past the cluster of people congregating with candles on a street corner, while all around them, dusk invades the space ceded by decommissioned streetlights.

“Someone got killed over here,” Kramer murmured, surveying the small vigil. “A three-year-old girl got shot the other night. Her momma was shot, her father was shot. I don’t know what it is. Every night, every morning, we wake up and there’s pure war here.”

As the city government has receded, a lack of services has made parts of Detroit all but uninhabitable. The injustices pile up: the threat that Child Protective Services will seize custody of children who are living in waterless homes; the streets upon streets of emptied houses, their roofs caving in, their porches collapsing, their bricks blackened by fire; the all-too-common violent deaths in neighborhoods without private security, where residents must rely on a decimated public police force that clocked an average response time of 58 minutes in 2013; the charade of public school board meetings, where few decisions can be made because the school district is under the control of an unelected emergency manager the board has voted three times without success to fire; the death of a seven-year-old girl at the hands of a Detroit police officer wielding a submachine gun as his unit was being filmed executing home raids for an A&E reality TV show; the heartbreak of watching the city being disassembled and sold off as if at an estate sale — despite the fact that this Detroit has declared it will not die.

Tangela Harris, whose tap was turned off for 11 days last fall, explained that the worst insult wasn’t living with two young children in a house without water, but Detroit’s loss of control over a once-world-class water department, a stipulation of the bankruptcy adjustment plan. “There was pride in the water company,” she says. “The one piece of power that black people had in this city is now gone.”

Across this Detroit, the grief comes pouring out in town hall meetings and in the booths of diners (known locally as “Coney Islands”). Many here quietly wonder about the purposefulness of it all or, as one resident finally asked the U.N. officials during their visit: “Does this, all that you’ve heard, meet the legal definition of genocide?”

And yet, despite these injustices and the feeling of bitterness that go with them, each morning this Detroit, too, rises.

Point of Origin

Retired city construction inspector Cheryl LaBash rarely ventures downtown any longer. The last time she did, it was to protest what she sees happening to her city. We sit together in a small park called Campus Martius, which allocates about the same amount of square footage to a ritzy restaurant and a seasonal ice skating rink ($8 for adult admission, $7 for children) as to green space. LaBash has shoulder-length, white-streaked hair and wears a t-shirt that reads, “Hands Off My Pension.” She’s also carrying her old hardhat, just as a memento. She’d worn it during one of her final jobs with the city, supervising a team of construction workers as they tore up the ground right below where we were sitting.

The objective was to move Woodward Avenue, one of the city’s main thoroughfares, in order to clear the space to build Campus Martius. During the construction process, LaBash remembers discovering that the survey marker for southeast Michigan — the point of origin from which the entire region is measured — lay underneath the new park. That only strengthened her feeling that the transformation of this space from a main public thoroughfare into a privately administered park patrolled by corporately hired security guards was a symbol of the privatization that her city had undergone.

Today, the downtown section of Detroit hums with construction projects and is dotted with surprisingly expensive parking lots. Even as much of the rest of the city is neglected, it is being rapidly transformed. Most of this change is being driven by Dan Gilbert, the billionaire founder of Quicken Loans, one of the largest mortgage companies in the United States. In 2010, he moved the company’s headquarters from the suburb of Livonia, Michigan, to downtown Detroit and brought thousands of his employees into the city center with him.

Gilbert has also taken matters into his own hands when it comes to securing his rapidly expanding downtown empire. He’s organized his own 24/7 private security outfit, which patrols his approximately 60 buildings on foot, on bikes, and in cars. He’s also had hundreds of closed-circuit cameras installed in the area. Gilbert’s men monitor the feeds from those cameras (along with the social media accounts of residents and community groups) around the clock in the surveillance center in the basement of the Gilbert-owned Chase building.

“You feel like you’ve got into a deep room of the Pentagon,” says law professor Hammer on the surveillance room, which he recently toured with his students.

For new downtown residents, the rising levels of security and surveillance are considered a welcome — if sometimes perplexing — phenomenon. Patrick Klida, a young lawyer from the suburbs who moved downtown a few years ago, tells of an early morning call he received from Gilbert’s men last summer. His car, he was informed, was being broken into.

“The high-def cameras had found someone throwing a rock through the car window,” he explained. Within minutes, Gilbert’s security monitoring team had run the car’s plates, discovered that it was registered to his mother, located her number, called her at five in the morning, gotten his number, and called him.

To Cheryl LaBash, however, this new private security set-up isn’t just a byproduct of downtown gentrification; it’s yet another threat to Detroit’s crippled democratic process and the ability of its residents to express political dissent. Last February, private security guards stopped LaBash and a handful of other demonstrators from pamphleting and gathering petition signatures inside Campus Martius, which she believes is an encroachment of her First Amendment rights. The legality of the move may soon be contested, since Campus Martius is one of a number of Detroit parks that, while privately administered, is still officially publicly owned. As for why it seemed like the security guards were expecting the group of pamphleteers, one officer explained to LaBash, “a little birdie told us,” an apparent reference to the monitoring of activist Twitter accounts.

As LaBash sees it, the revitalization of the area isn’t part of an effort to revive “Detroit”; it’s a process meant to erase the city’s history and the vast majority of its people, including herself. She ponders the complicated ways in which such processes are so often driven by the few but executed by the many. Gesturing toward the park, she says ruefully, “And I was part of that change.”

Collisions

In a city of less than a million residents, the two Detroits nonetheless seem to collide at every turn.

The night before Halloween, known locally as Angel’s or Devil’s Night, the neighborhood association of East English Village, another of Detroit’s wealthy enclaves, hosted a potluck dinner and organized a volunteer resident security patrol. Setting vacant buildings afire on this night has become something of a grim yearly tradition in the city and a growing danger to neighborhoods that can’t afford their own privatized security forces. Although, unlike poorer areas of the city, this wealthy and well-organized community hasn’t suffered anything worse than a broken window on Devil’s night in years, it wasn’t taking any chances.

Around nine, as residents clustered in association president Bill Barlage’s driveway, drinking hot cocoa and eating chili and bacon-wrapped sweet potatoes, newly elected mayor Mike Duggan arrived.

“Does Joe Biden live here?” Duggan asked jokingly, provoking a wave of laughter.

The vice president had indeed visited Barlage’s home during a trip to Detroit on Labor Day weekend because, as Barlage put it, “The mayor wanted to show Biden a solid neighborhood.” In Barlage’s mind, the community’s success can be explained in part by its willingness to invest in private security, raise an active volunteer patrol, and generally keep its residents engaged and active. In addition, Barlage and the association promote continuing close relationships with both the city police department and the mayor’s office.

“We watch houses, we log houses,” he said.

A few blocks from his house, however, East English Village resident Andrew Cox has had quite a different experience in the neighborhood. For the last two years, he and his fiancée have been living in East English Village in the same way that thousands of poor residents elsewhere in the city have survived the economic turmoil: by occupying a vacant house, fixing it up and paying utilities. Like others in their situation, he and his fiancée were also putting a percentage of their monthly income into a bank account administered by a community group in order to collectively pay costs like property taxes.

A handsome thirty-something with a navy blue cabbie hat cocked at an angle on his head, he said he hadn’t found East English Village particularly welcoming. Earlier in the year, he explained, someone broke into the house and destroyed much of the kitchen, removing doors from their hinges and knocking out part of a wall. The break-in happened despite the community’s tight-knit watch group or perhaps — and this was his suspicion — because of it; because, that is, he and his partner didn’t fit the neighborhood’s profile and some members wanted to see them go.

Mostly, he was glad that the intruders hadn’t taken his great grandmother’s King James Bible, which the family had brought up from the South with them decades ago. In the wake of the break-in, he had received an eviction notice, which he wasn’t going to fight, since the state had recently enacted laws that made squatting a felony.

“I’m not going to jail just to have a roof over my head,” he said. “If they want the house so bad, they can have it.”

Back at Barlage’s place, the mayor was shaking hands and preparing to leave. “Well, looks like the neighborhood is safe,” Duggan declared to another round of laughter as he and his men strode down the driveway.

Eyes Don’t Cry

That Sunday evening, Marian Kramer’s weekend of work was almost over.

The town hall meeting for the visiting U.N. officials had ended after dozens of testimonies on what it meant to live without running water. Although there hadn’t been enough time for everyone to speak, people were now filing out of the atrium of a local community college, heading home to prepare for another week.

Some, however, were staying for the buffet of chicken, rice and beans, salad, steamed vegetables, and sheet cake. “Commander” Brown and his wife, also a security officer with Threat Management, were keeping a close eye on the two U.N. officials, accompanying them in line and even to the bathroom.

Finally, after the dinner was over and the guests had been thanked for investigating the water shutoffs, Stevie Wonder’s “My Eyes Don’t Cry” filled the large room. Dozens of people began heading for a corner that quickly became a makeshift dance floor. Soon, just about everyone fell into step: Maureen Taylor and the U.N. officials, out-of-towners and locals, a public school teacher, a school board member, and a man who had recently parked his wheelchair in the middle of a street to block the water trucks from heading out to turn off some more taps.

Despite the hours of testimonies over that weekend by residents living without water, by mothers fearful of losing their children and careful to conserve every drop of moisture — “I don’t cook rice, beans, anything that would cause evaporation,” explained one woman — a sense of joy and relief, mixed with the heady sweetness of chicken, pulsed through the crowd. One resident broke into a smile as she pivoted in her chair and surveyed the cluster of people calling out the steps and moving together, as if there were no kitchens without running water, no private surveillance cameras, no bankruptcy, no emergency manager, no emergencies at all — as if, for a moment, there were not two Detroits, separate and unequal, but just one city, hell-bent on survival.

“This is why they can’t kill us,” she said.

And these words summed up, perhaps more than anything else, the history of this side of Detroit — and whatever promise may lie in its future.

Laura Gottesdiener is a freelance journalist based in New York City. The author of A Dream Foreclosed: Black America and the Fight for a Place to Call Home , her writing has appeared in Mother Jones, Al Jazeera , Guernica , Playboy , RollingStone.com , and frequently at TomDispatch. She is currently working with Zuccotti Park Press on a book about climate change and displacement. She’s especially grateful to filmmaker Messiah Rhodes for his collaboration on this article.

(Republished from TomDispatch by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Jim says:

    Detroit is the municipal equivalent of a failed state. As governmental control collapses it is inevitable that private security forces will yield increasing power.

  2. Superman says:

    Palmer Woods is a spectacularly beautiful neighborhood with historic architecture. Go look at it on Google Street View, you won’t be disappointed.

    But it’s odd that the author fails to inform the reader that the neighborhood is over 80% black. The omission is so jarring (given the context of the article) that one has to wonder if perhaps she’s trying to mislead the reader.

    • Replies: @Sean K
    , @josh
  3. Jefferson says:

    How come the talented tenth Blacks could not keep Detroit afloat ?

  4. Wasn’t the first “Robocop” corporate security dystopia situated in a fictional Detroit of the future – now here?

  5. If you can’t make a living and pay the water bill where you are, it’s time to move…out of Detroit. That’s the adult part of being free.

    If they really want to know what caused their problems, it’s the loss of industry to poorer countries with cheap labor and archaic laws. It has nothing to do with race — and everything to do with a government that has not protected its people from unfair competition.

    • Replies: @Jim
    , @Anonymous
  6. I read this entire article under the misapprehension that it was by Linda Gottfredson, known for her work on racial IQ differences. I thought it was a bit too wooly for her. Laura seems to want us to believe that Detroit only failed because the nasty auto companies aggrieved at black labour unions relocated to the white suburbs.

    If you want to look at the future promise of Detroit the obvious parallel is South Africa.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    , @carol
  7. It is whites who have been ethnically cleansed. Detroit is obama’s vision for America. Welcome Rhodesia USA. Kill the (white) farmer.

  8. Jim says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The white suburbs of Detroit exist in the same world economy as the inner city. These suburbs include some of the nicest areas of the US. Race has everything to do with what happened to Detroit.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  9. TomB says:

    This piece might as well stand as an iconic illustration of the utter uselessness of debating people like the author.

    For decades the normal, traditional mortgage lending standards were condemned by them as racially discriminatory and thus evil. So the lending standards were gutted, whereupon they were happy, until the inevitable happened, whereupon to distract from their own responsibility to pretend that what they advocated was something different they immediately started calling what happened “predatory.”

    Heads they win, tails you lose. Always. No matter what. No matter what the heads look like, no matter the tails. Heads they were right and you were evil. Tails they were right and you were evil. Somehow. Someway. Even in listening to them if the results were bad.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
  10. Message to urban blacks.

    There are no jobs left in the large cities for you. Time to relocate back to the agrarian South and resume your role as field hands. This is the optimum outcome from both an efficient-market perspective and serves your own self interest as well. Now stop complaining and get back to work.

    • Replies: @marylou
  11. Until you convince Detroiters that paying their water bill is more important than getting a new tattoo, cell phone or pair of Nikes most Americans won’t have much sympathy for them.

  12. Gee whiz. This is horrible! Why couldn’t Detroit do as well as that other “Rust Belt” city, Pittsburg, which had exactly the same problems – demographics aside – as Detroit. Could it be that a majority black population that invariably elects an utterly corrupt majority black government has something to do with the problem. For example, “Hell night” isn’t something imposed on the city’s black residents by white outsiders. It’s just a one-night Ferguson style orgy of the type we have come to expect. And deficit-created bankruptcies followed by state takeovers seem to be a standard outcome of black municipal governance. Negrus negris lupus.

  13. Priss Factor [AKA "Andrea Ostrov Letania"] says:

    Blacks attack, drive people out, ruin everything, then play victim.

  14. Herb says:

    The author blames the auto companies and predatory lending as the main reasons for the plight of Detroit. How about the 1967 riots that caused massive white flight or black majority rule for decades?
    She missed these on purpose.

  15. “The foreclosure crisis of this century, fueled by racially discriminatory predatory lending,”

    What a crock. They did it to anyone naive enough to fall for it. They did it with homes and now they’re doing it with cars. The only pertinent color in these transactions is green.

    Sorry, Ms. Gotterdiener, you’re going to have to do a lot better than this to convince any reasonable person that Detroit being an African city and Detroit being filled with Africans are somehow unrelated.

    “…conserve every drop of moisture — “I don’t cook rice, beans, anything that would cause evaporation,” explained one woman”

    Good Lord, we’re reaching epic levels of stupid now. Two parts water, one part rice. Cover the pot. The water isn’t supposed to evaporate, it’s absorbed by the rice. When you can’t cook the most staple food on the planet, Detroit is probably better than you deserve.

  16. @FirkinRidiculous

    Exactly. Gottesdiener’s work should be carefully balanced by then reading blogger Paul Kersey’s work on Detroit.

    FACT: Per the main reason that ca. 72% white Detroit in 1960, the “Paris of the West”, became 84% black in 2010, was due to racial unrest and of course, the race riots.

    The riots came first, not free trade policies that greatly concerned the auto industry and convinced them to move to the safer suburbs.

    FACT: People generally don’t like it when an element of people engage in rioting, robbing, burning down large swaths of their city. They either fight or leave. They left.

    FACT: The main labor and auto unions pre 1960 were like the rest of the US, vast majority white. As before, Detroit was ca. 72% white in 1960 but the race riots of ’67 helped to drive more and more whites out of the city.

    FACT: For over 40yrs, majority black Detroit has had the mayoralty and city council as well as PD and FD under their control. How did it work out for them from a crime, education, cost of living, etc. standpoint?

    Interesting theme: Demand equal status then majority status. Over several decades the city fails and goes bankrupt. As the failures pile up, continue to blame racism and other bogus excuses for the group’s personal failures and shortcomings, even when there are few non-blacks responsible for the groups collective failures.

    It isn’t like Unz to scrape bottom for these kinds of screeds. Admittedly this article’s theme, it’s all whitey’s fault, made for interesting reading….back in the 1960’s.

  17. As Hammer explained, Detroit has become a blueprint for the creation of a “self-acknowledged, self-defined second-class city,” one where the state guarantees only the most basic services to most of its inhabitants: “some police,” “some fire protection,” and “a bulldozer department” to raze abandoned houses, while the remaining essential services will be available only on a private basis for those who can pay.

    Detroit is America’s future. Sad, but true.

  18. iffen says:

    Separate but equal has never been given a fair trial.

  19. Gordo says:

    That is poorly written.

  20. Blaming privatization and gentrification for Detroit’s problems is like blaming the ark for the flood.

  21. marylou says:
    @Threecranes

    Nobody in the South needs a field hand. If they do a Mexican has already taken it.

  22. Sean K says:
    @Superman

    Yes, the author is being both dishonest and deceptive. I usually ignore artiles that omit valuable information in order the direct the reader in a certain direction. We get enough of that kind of garbage in the MSM.

  23. Vendetta says:

    Yeah, somehow it’s Dan Gilbert who’s the bad guy here, the guy who actually brought a business to a dying city and created a safe zone.

    Imagine the good a figure like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson would be capable of doing in communities like this. Build a following and instill purpose with charismatic religious leadership. Use their wealth of donations and volunteers to raise a black neighborhood watch and arm it enough to stand toe-to-toe with gangs and thugs. Make it safe enough for black entrepreneurs and professionals to move in and operate. Keep a watchful eye on the young men. Produce something. Teach the rest of the people basic trades and artisanal crafts to give them something productive to do until the economy has been sufficiently revitalized. I’m sure white bohemians and liberals will go crazy to buy handcrafted African-American textiles and handicrafts.

    Unfortunately, we know this is not the agenda of America’s prominent black spokesmen. Demanding empowerment is so much easier than creating it. Casting blame much easier than taking responsibility.

    Everyone is at fault when it comes to the plight of the urban blacks in America. Many local, state, and federal government policies have contributed to, ignored, or taken advantage of the social breakdown of black America. But blacks themselves are the ones carrying out the criminality and lack of responsibility and leadership.

    But in the end, it is blacks in the ghettoes whose children are doomed if they don’t do something to change their future. Government policies do need to change – but they need to change in ways that support black-led initiatives to improve their own communities. And blacks need to step up and start these initiatives themselves.

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  24. @Vendetta

    I think that was very well put.

    One thing I’m wondering about, though, is what you mean by this:

    But in the end, it is blacks in the ghettoes whose children are doomed if they don’t do something to change their future.

    In practical terms, “doomed” must have something to do with your standard of living over time, or your kids’ standard of living relative to yours (and your grandkids’ standard of living relative to your kids’, etc.).

    I don’t believe black ghetto kids are “doomed” in this sense. Their standard of living is pretty darn low compared to upper-middle class whites’, but they’ve all got TVs and video games and smart phones, many of them have cars, and high-quality healthcare is available with no cost to basically any of them. So are food stamps, day care, counseling, and other freebies. None of that is going away any time soon.

    If anyone’s doomed, I’d say it’s the middle class, especially middle-class whites, since they are unable to cash in victim vouchers by virtue of their race. Their options are to either sink down into poverty and become tattooed hoodie-wearing proles taking advantage of many of the same benefits as ghetto blacks, or to work their fingers to the bone and scrape and scrounge and borrow until some critical mass of the offspring can go to college and get a STEM degree–hopefully before the value of that effort becomes too diluted by H1-Bs!

  25. TomB says:

    Next up: “Predatory social welfarism.”

  26. Bliss says:

    In the first Detroit, private security is common and the living is relatively safe. In the second, running water has systematically been cut off from at least 27,000 households this year alone

    On a Friday in mid-October, the evening before two U.N. officials were to begin investigating whether Detroit’s mass water shutoffs constitute a violation of international human rights law

    Many here quietly wonder about the purposefulness of it all or, as one resident finally asked the U.N. officials during their visit: “Does this, all that you’ve heard, meet the legal definition of genocide?”

    Without international pressure african americans in general, not just in Detroit, are probably doomed. Other minorities will face the same fate. What happened to native-american, chinese, south asian and african neighborhoods a century or so ago will happen again.

    http://www.sfgate.com/books/article/REIGN-OF-TERROR-AGAINST-CHINESE-PROFESSOR-2589398.php

    Pfaelzer’s book breaks new ground. It provides the first in-depth account of a protracted racist campaign that culminated in what the Chinese called pai hua — the driven out; it rescues for history the hitherto forgotten story of a sophisticated and tenacious Chinese resistance movement; and it invites us to consider the relationship between anti-Chinese persecution and mainstream American racism.

    In gut-wrenching detail, “Driven Out” takes us from the first “race war” that took place locally between miners competing over gold diggings along the American River in the early 1850s, through the U.S. government’s Exclusion Acts of 1882 and 1902, which banned immigration of Chinese people for 60 years. The campaign to identify, target, humiliate, segregate and “disappear” the Chinese was a tour de force, involving the participation and collusion of a wide swath of good Californians.

    One hundred pogroms took place throughout the Pacific Northwest in the second half of the 19th century. Thousands of Chinese were rounded up and “violently herded into railroad cars, steamers, or logging rafts, marched out of town, or killed,” writes Pfaelzer. The violence was regionwide and systematic. In Los Angeles in 1871, a mob lynched 16 Chinese men and one Chinese woman. Chico’s Chinatown was destroyed by fire in 1876. Around the same time, arson, murder and terrorism forced the Chinese out of Truckee.

    Mob violence was supported by local elites and backed up by anti-Chinese legislation, police and judicial collusion, and a barrage of humiliating images documenting the “yellow peril” — portraying the men as sneaky, feminized and sacrilegious, the women as diseased and racially disposed to “hygienic lassitude.”

    Pfaelzer certainly makes the case that California engaged in ethnic cleansing. She also demonstrates how genocidal policies against Native peoples and post-Civil War Jim Crow policies shaped attitudes to the Chinese, and vice versa: “The Ku Klux Klan assaulted blacks in the South, the military and volunteer militias drove tribal people off their lands, murdering thousands, and the Order of the Caucasians, the Workingmen’s Party, and the Democratic Party rounded up and expelled the Chinese in California, burning Chinatowns to the ground. “

    To those who are opportunistically ganging up with right wing racist whites against blacks I advise you to remember this nazi-era quote:

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    (Martin Niemöller)

  27. Bliss says:

    History repeating in Detroit?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosewood_Massacre

    The Rosewood Massacre was a racially motivated attack on African Americans and their neighborhood committed by a white mob in Florida during January 1–7, 1923….. The town of Rosewood, a majority-black community, was abandoned and destroyed in what contemporary news reports characterized as a race riot (with the implication blacks had broken out in violence). Racial disturbances with attacks by whites against blacks were common during the early 20th century in the United States, reflecting the nation’s rapid social changes. Florida had an especially high number of lynchings in the years before the massacre; the great majority of victims were black males.

    Prior to the massacre, the town of Rosewood had been a quiet, primarily black, self-sufficient whistle stop on the Seaboard Air Line Railway. Trouble began when white men from several nearby towns lynched a Rosewood resident because of unsupported accusations that a white woman in nearby Sumner had been beaten and possibly raped by a black drifter. When the town’s African-American citizens rallied together to defend themselves against further attacks, a mob of several hundred whites formed in reaction and started combing the countryside hunting down black people, and they attacked and destroyed the community, burning almost every structure within Rosewood.

    Survivors from the town hid for several days in nearby swamps until they were evacuated by train and car to larger towns. Although state and local authorities were aware of the violence, no arrests were made for what happened in Rosewood. The town was abandoned by its black residents; none ever returned.

    • Replies: @Vendetta
  28. carol says:
    @FirkinRidiculous

    Joyce Carol Oates inadvertently told the truth about Detroit many years ago in Them. The book is interminable (I never finished it), but a recurrent theme is the gradual encroachment and ruin of Detroit by southern blacks.

  29. Bliss says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellingham_riots

    The Bellingham riots occurred on September 4, 1907, in Bellingham, Washington, USA.[1] A mob of 400–500 white men, predominantly members of the Asiatic Exclusion League, with intentions to exclude East Indian immigrants from the work force of the local lumber mills, attacked the homes of the South Asian Indians.[2] The Indians were mostly Sikhs but were labelled as Hindus by much of the media of the day.[3]

    The mob threw the East Indian workers into the streets, beat them, and pocketed their valuables. The authorities co-operated with the mob by corralling the beaten Indian immigrants into the City Hall, ostensibly for their safety.[4] “By the next day 125 South Asians had been driven out of town and were on their way to British Columbia“.[5] Six Indians were hospitalized [6] and about 400 were held in the Bellingham Jail, reportedly under “protective custody”.[7] No participants in the mob violence were prosecuted.

    Some victims of the riots migrated to Everett, Washington where two months later, they received similar treatment.[8] Similar riots occurred during this period in Vancouver, BC[9] and California.[10]

    In recognition of the 100th anniversary of the riots, Whatcom County Executive Pete Kremen and Bellingham Mayor Tim Douglas jointly proclaimed Sept. 4, 2007, a “Day of Healing and Reconciliation,” acknowledging and atoning for those regrettable events.[11]

  30. @Bliss

    Good point! Blacks have already destroyed three neighborhoods that I’ve lived in and no one was there to help me. Someday soon I hope those who didn’t protect me in my time of need will face the same fate and I certainly won’t be there for them. At some point I may even become angry enough to bring the same kind of chaos that I’ve experienced raining down on those who were not there for me.

  31. @Bliss

    We’re talking about now, you idjit! For everyone of these century old incidents any half-way knowledgeable person reading this post can provide a dozen or so homicidal riots and/or atrocities committed by this country’s black underclass in the far more recent past. If we extend the geography further I’d make that scores or hundreds instead of dozens. Your annoying silliness makes me think you’re a troll. I’m not going to feed you any further.

  32. Wyrd says:

    Ewww, someone blissed all over this thread and now it’s all sticky and stinky!

  33. Bliss says:

    We’re talking about now, you idjit!

    How conveniently you want the world to forget the recent past. Why should you be allowed to do so when the racial hatreds of the recent past are still festering in you all’s minds, as so clearly revealed in the comments here and most everywhere on the internet? Either we allow the crimes of history to repeat or we take a stand and say: no more, enough already…

    And it is now, you idjit, this very year, that 27,000 black households in Detroit had their water cut off.

    • Replies: @St. Charbel
    , @Stealth
  34. Wyrd says:

    Onward social justice warriors
    Marching off to war
    We won’t rest
    Till we foul every nest
    And make all equally poor

  35. Jefferson says:

    “And it is now, you idjit, this very year, that 27,000 black households in Detroit had their water cut off.”

    Those 27,000 ghetto welfare Blacks in Detroit deserved to have their water cut off. They can not expect taxpayers to pay their water bills for them.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  36. East English Village is a majority black neighborhood and so is Palmer Woods. They are mainly comprised of upper middle class blacks. This author has painted a distorted picture of the city.

  37. @Bliss

    So what does your Wikipedia article have to do with tens of thousands of Detroiters who find the time and effort to hop on the bus to suburban Detroit malls and drops $100+ on the newest Jordans rather than pay their water bills?

  38. Jefferson says:

    “FACT: Per the main reason that ca. 72% white Detroit in 1960, the “Paris of the West”, became 84% black in 2010, was due to racial unrest and of course, the race riots.”

    Today Detroit is a lot more like Port-au-Prince than it is like Paris. Ever since Blacks took over Detroit, the property value of homes there really plummeted. It is cheaper to purchase a mansion in Detroit than it is to purchase a trailer home in Malibu, California.

    Even with housing being extremely cheap there, Detroit is still experiencing a population net loss rather than a population net gain. Detroit’s extremely high crime rate scares people away from wanting to live there.

    People want to live in an area where the cost of living is cheap, but they also want to live in an area where the crime rate is not out of control. That is why people today are not flocking to Detroit to take advantage of it’s cheap housing. What is the point of cheap housing if you are afraid of taking a walk or a jog in your own neighborhood because you might get held up by a Black thug at gunpoint.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  39. Vendetta says:
    @Bliss

    No, history is not repeating itself. What a deliberately obtuse statement. There are no white mobs running amok and burning down black neighborhoods in Detroit.

  40. @Bliss

    Sorry, Bliss, so so sorry. The 1882 Exclusion Act and the 1924 Immigration Act were to preserve the historical white nation that created the US at large. These exclusion acts were designed to restrict the wrong sorts that were coming in as cheap labor in the Pacific states. Basically, it was done to preserve white working class jobs from being taken by cheap labor (e.g. coolies).

    Historically, the white working classes did not recognize much less understand what peoples who weren’t invited to come here, uh, what exactly were they coming here for? Especially since they weren’t invited?

    Once again, it’s yet another example by national corporations or at the time larger corporations wanting cheap labor and undercutting the white working classes or those who had historically built America from the mid. 17th, 18th and early 19th centuries into a contending power. Henry Clay’s American System further cemented that legacy via his protege, Abraham Lincoln.

    If only today’s global corporations with their H-1B Visas that undercut US native born middle class jobs at the top and those who bring in Mexican labor that undercut the lower class jobs at the bottom understood what it meant to be a good American; namely, stop hiring/bringing in en masse foreigners to do native born Americans jobs.

    You don’t see millions upon millions of Finns, Russians, and Slavs entering China to take away and displace their working classes. The Hans care about their own people.

    You don’t see Japan opening up its borders and taking in tens of millions of workers from India and East Africa. Japan cares about its own people first and foremost.

    On this front, protecting native born American jobs from runaway out of control immigration (much of it illegal immigration at that) by foreigners who weren’t asked to come here much less the policies voted on in some cases, Americans can learn a good lesson and do the same. America for Americans only.

    Keep out the wrong sort: Those who aren’t Americans.

    Protect American jobs for Americans.

    Go ahead and be some bogus “citizen of the world” as the global corporations would have their cheap labor workforce: the best is to have American jobs filled by native born Americans.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  41. @Jefferson

    Oh? And why not? They’ve been used to whitey tax-paying for everything else from cradle to grave for them. Maybe if they stopped paying for Jordans (assuming they pay and not steal or get knock offs), stopped paying for nails, extensions, and new rims, etc. and actually prioritized for essentials like paying their bills first and concentrating on…you know, getting an actual job and off welfare, they might be on the road to becoming responsible US citizens.

    Can you see it happening?

    I can’t either.

  42. @Bliss

    What were these illegal aliens doing in Bellingham, WA in the first place? The local native born populace hadn’t invited them to come in at all.

    OOPS. Forgot that part. What were they doing there? Answer: Illegal immigration brought in to feed the bloodlust of national corporations desire for cheap labor cause they were too CHEAP to pay standard white working wages to the local populace at the time, which, as it’s ca.85% white in 2010 census most likely was ca.98% white in 1900 census.

    OOPS. Forgot that part.

    Hm. Importing cheap labor vs. the wishes of the native born American worker. Sounds like history is repeating itself.

    While we’re talking about nations alleged past problems (even though these policies were largely supported by the native born American workers at the time) let’s talk about other nations and their problems.

    Lets dredge up how the Racist Hans massacred foreigners during their various dynastic reigns. Lets talk about all the various slaves of “inferior peoples” that they had in their imperial courts from different Asian lands that they conquered ER…were given in their spheres of influence that these nations paid tribute in the forms of goods and slaves and human flesh (concubines, prostitutes, etc).

    • Replies: @Bliss
  43. JerryC says:

    Boo hoo. Life is so unfair.

  44. @Jim

    You say,

    “The white suburbs of Detroit exist in the same world economy as the inner city. These suburbs include some of the nicest areas of the US. Race has everything to do with what happened to Detroit.”

    The low productivity of a race may be the reason the employers left, but it was no excuse for our government to allow industry to defect to countries where virtual slave labor still exists.

    • Replies: @rod1963
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  45. Stealth says:
    @Bliss

    Hey, “Bliss:”

    What do you think will happen if you don’t pay your water bill? Someone’s going to come by your house and cut off your water, and he won’t turn it back on until you’ve paid up. That’s a fact of life. I made the mistake a few months back of thinking I’d already paid my own water bill when I had actually forgotten. I got a call from someone telling me I was about to be deprived of fluids. Then I paid.

    As far as the mountain of white evil you’ve recounted for everyone, I’ll tell you the following: if whites were really all that bad, nonwhites wouldn’t be climbing over each other to get into our countries. They wouldn’t be trying to move into our neighborhoods and send their children to school with white people’s children. They would be trying to get away from us.

    • Replies: @Jim
  46. Jefferson says:

    Detroit resembles the society that you see in films like “The Purge Anarchy”.

    Detroit’s motto should be “You know where you are ? You are in the jungle baby, YOU ARE GONNA DIE”.

  47. Kudzu Bob says:
    @Jefferson

    Because nobody is that talented.

  48. Harold says:

    Bliss makes an excellent point. All that horrible stuff didn’t prevent the Chinese from being successful in America, it didn’t trap them in a cycle of poverty nor cause them to turn to violent crime to a disproportionate degree. Bliss has pretty much proved that it is silly to pretend that comparatively minor things such as “predatory lending” must haved caused Detroit’s failings. Well done Bliss.

  49. Harold says:

    That Detroit is a more than 80% African American metropolis makes the idea of its rise from bankruptcy with second-class status all the more problematic.

    Ha ha! “problematic”, I think this word was missed on that recent iSteve thread on inane terms.

    I think we should all recognise that Laura Gottesdiener cares about black people and that this makes her a truly good, piously PC person. They must be so proud of her, they whose thoughts she regurgitates when she writes as above, expressing herself in the typical language of the PC priesthood.

  50. rod1963 says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Yep, the corporations were the ones who pushed NAFTA and PNTR with China, they loved that cheap Hispanic and Asian labor and still do.

    It’s really sickening to watch GM build state of the art factories in China or Eastern Europe while giving the people here the middle finger. Yet BMW and other foreign automakers don’t have a problem setting up here.

    And look who is for amnesty, it’s the A list of business people: Gates, Buffet, Zuckerberg, Google execs, the Chambers of Commerce, Adelson, the Koch brothers. These guys are perfectly happy to turn us into a 3rd world state.

    I’ll close with this. Blacks are problem, but the real cancer destroying this country and it’s people are the oligarch class that has no allegiance to anything except their bank account. They’ve done more damage in 20 years thanks to crooked trade agreements than cultural Marxism and blacks could ever do.

  51. Camlost says:

    And after that terrible incident in Bellingham, WA in 1907 you still see Sikhs and Hindus in the USA suffering greatly. They’re constantly shot in the back by racist cops, their children can’t read on grade level and they struggle to pay their monthly water bill(s)… just like the blacks in Detroit.

  52. @Buzz Mohawk

    Hold it, hold it. FIRST came the race riots and the whites skeddadled out of town. THEN came the all black city council rule, black mayor, etc. so the white tax base of Detroit had already shrunk by quite a bit before free trade policies kicked in.

    Concerning the auto industry free trade began in the late 70’s, picked up steam in the 80’s and with NAFTA, that also included the auto industry (outsourcing jobs to Mexico and building auto factories in Mexico as well).

    But the order is correct: Race riots started the mass white exodus. With fewer whites remaining in the city and shrinking tax base, Detroit became what it is.

    The problem was when the auto industry left the white suburbs due to free trade policies which opened the door to bye byes good working class jobs for white working classes.

    But in many urban centers the pattern holds true: First came the race riots and exiting whites, then came free trade policies.

    Now for neo-cons, they don’t even want to touch the race factor in any of this. They want to blame just the big bad unions and evil liberals. It wasn’t the unions who caused the race riots! It wasn’t the unions who elected an all black city council and mayor’s office! Could the unions have compromised? Certainly! But the free trade lead the way out of the US and all the good paying jobs disappeared with the multinationals.

    Ask these neo-cons this: How come Seattle, WA is a high wage, high union city, and still has many working class good paying jobs? Huh? WA state is the fourth highest union membership, so unions alone aren’t causing the economic problems.

    HINT: Seattle doesn’t have any race riots. Wonder why?

  53. Jefferson says:

    “Ask these neo-cons this: How come Seattle, WA is a high wage, high union city, and still has many working class good paying jobs? Huh? WA state is the fourth highest union membership, so unions alone aren’t causing the economic problems.

    HINT: Seattle doesn’t have any race riots. Wonder why?”

    Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania is also a union city and yet it is in a lot better shape than Detroit is by every measure.

    Pittsburgh still has a strong White taxpayer base while Detroit does not.

  54. Bliss says:
    @Jefferson

    Today Detroit is a lot more like Port-au-Prince than it is like Paris. Ever since Blacks took over Detroit, the property value of homes there really plummeted.

    Typically blinkered ignoramuses. When Detroit was called “Paris of the West” it was 28% non-white. Non-whites there were overwhelmingly african-american, and largely middle-class thanks to Henry Ford’s non-racist hiring policy. Which means blacks were by far the most over-represented race in Detroit when it was called the Paris of the West. Capische?

    And since you are italian-american this should hit home for you:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Italianism

    In United States, and other English-speaking countries to which they immigrated, such as Canada and Australia, the later Italian immigrants were often viewed as perpetual foreigners, restricted to manual labor. Their frequent lack of formal education, and competition with earlier immigrants for lower-paying jobs and housing often resulted in hostility toward them.[4] Ethnocentric chauvinism exhibited by the earlier Northern European settlers toward the Italian immigrants was also a major factor, especially in the American South. In reaction to the large-scale immigration from southern and eastern Europe, Congress passed legislation (Emergency Quota Act of 1921 and Immigration Act of 1924) restricting immigration from those regions, but not from Northern European countries.

    Anti-Italian prejudice was also associated with the anti-Catholic tradition that existed in the United States, inherited from Protestant/Catholic European competition and wars over centuries. When the United States was founded, it inherited the anti-Catholic, anti-papal animosity of its original Protestant settlers. Anti-Catholic sentiments in the U. S. reached a peak in the 19th century when the Protestant population became alarmed by the number of Catholics immigrating to the United States.

    After the American Civil War, during the labor shortage as the South converted to free labor, planters in southern states recruited Italians to come to the United States to work mainly in agriculture and as laborers. Many soon found themselves the victims of prejudice, economic exploitation, and sometimes violence. Italian stereotypes abounded during this period as a means of justifying this maltreatment of the immigrants. The plight of the Italian immigrant agricultural workers in Mississippi was so serious that the Italian embassy became involved in investigating their mistreatment. Later waves of Italian immigrants inherited these same virulent forms of discrimination and stereotyping which, by then, had become ingrained in the American consciousness.[12]

    One of the largest mass lynchings in American history was of eleven Italians in New Orleans, Louisiana in 1891. The city had been the destination for numerous Italian immigrants.[13] Nine Italians who were thought to have assassinated police chief David Hennessy, were arrested, tried and acquitted. Subsequent to the trial, a mob stormed the jailhouse, dragging the men out and lynching them, together with two other Italians who were being held in the jail at the time on unrelated charges.[14] Afterward, the police arrested hundreds of Italian immigrants, on the false pretext that they were all criminals.[15][16]

    In 1899, in Tallulah, Louisiana, three Italian-Americans shopkeepers were lynched because they had given equal status in their shops to blacks. A vigilante mob hanged five Italian Americans: the three shopkeepers and two bystanders.[17]

    In Australia italians along with greeks and lebanese are still looked down on and called wogs. This racism and hate between northern europeans and southern europeans goes at least as far back as the Gallic Wars when Julius Caesar slaughtered a million Gauls and enslaved millions more.

    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=australia%20wogs%20italian

  55. Jim says:
    @Stealth

    Yes, it’s so silly how people like Bliss say that white people are so racist toward blacks and then say that blacks are harmed by attending predominantly black schools with few white students or teachers. Obviously if whites were that racist then the more separated blacks were from whites the better off they would be.

    Blacks tend to be quite racist towards Asians and I’m sure that the vast majority of Asian parents would prefer their children attended schools with as few blacks as possible.

  56. Harold says:

    I’m not sure what Bliss’ point is but I think it is this: That it is about time that the people took control of who is allowed to live and work in their own territories and stopped the rich from supporting the importation of outsiders for cheap labour—it never ends well. Or maybe Bliss’ point is merely this: Diversity is definitely not a strength.

  57. Jefferson says:

    “When Detroit was called “Paris of the West” it was 28% non-white. Non-whites there were overwhelmingly african-american, and largely middle-class thanks to Henry Ford’s non-racist hiring policy. Which means blacks were by far the most over-represented race in Detroit when it was called the Paris of the West. Capische?”

    And now that Detroit is 83 percent Black, the media no longer refers to it as “The Paris Of The West”. And Detroit does not have enough taxpaying middle class and upperclass Blacks to have kept that city from declaring bankruptcy.

  58. Jefferson says:

    Chicago’s high Black unemployment rate is being blamed on the fact that a majority of Black Chicagoans live in very racially segregated zip codes where over 90 percent of the population is Black.
    http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/11/19/chicago-fifth-highest-unemployment-rate-among-metro-areas-largest-black-populations/

    So Blacks can’t get jobs now unless they reside in areas where there is a lot of White people present ? How about Chinese Americans who live in Chinatowns where few White people reside, they don’t seem to have a problem finding a job.

    High Black unemployment being blamed on the Black underclass not having White next door neighbors, sounds like an excuse for Liberal government cronies to send more Section 8 Housing Blacks to predominantly White neighborhoods.

    So the Liberal theory is that Blacks can not get jobs unless they have access to networking with White people who can help them get jobs.

    Why can’t Black people living in Black neighborhoods just network with other Black people to help them get a job ?

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  59. @TomB

    “This piece might as well stand as an iconic illustration of the utter uselessness of debating people like the author.

    For decades the normal, traditional mortgage lending standards were condemned by them as racially discriminatory and thus evil. So the lending standards were gutted, whereupon they were happy, until the inevitable happened, whereupon to distract from their own responsibility to pretend that what they advocated was something different they immediately started calling what happened “predatory.”

    Heads they win, tails you lose. Always. No matter what. No matter what the heads look like, no matter the tails. Heads they were right and you were evil. Tails they were right and you were evil. Somehow. Someway. Even in listening to them if the results were bad.”

    This is the best comment I’ve read in days.

  60. Bliss says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    The 1882 Exclusion Act and the 1924 Immigration Act were to preserve the historical white nation that created the US at large. These exclusion acts were designed to restrict the wrong sorts that were coming in as cheap labor in the Pacific states.

    The 1924 Immigration Act’s primary goal was to restrict the immigration of the wrong sort of europeans: south europeans, east europeans and jews.

    You don’t see Japan opening up its borders

    Japan, for your information, is not a nation of immigrants. America is. You are a descendant of immigrants from europe. The only major groups in America who are not immigrants are the native americans and african americans. Look at their status in America compared to that of immigrants.

    Btw, going by your nick I am guessing you are a japanophile; so tell us what you think of the nuking of japanese civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Was that a war crime? If not, why not?

    And what do you think about the socialist culture of Japan, and about japanese-americans being so hard core Democrats?

    Protect American jobs for Americans.

    You don’t really mean that do you? Otherwise why would you vote Republican?

  61. Bliss says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    What were these illegal aliens doing in Bellingham, WA in the first place?

    What makes you think they were illegal aliens?

    Secondly, how does that justify violence towards them?

    Thirdly, why are you ignoring what happened to the native americans and african americans? They sure weren’t immigrants, unlike their tormentors.

  62. @Jefferson

    Where Bliss’s entire argument falls into excrement is that 72% of Detroit was WHITE. And, Henry Ford was quite shall we say, the Pro-Jim Crow supporter back in the day. Jim Crow policies weren’t just used in the South; they were also used (unofficially) in the North. Point being of course that whites built Western Paris (Detroit) and blacks had little to do with it whatsoever.

    I like that final part of yours: If blacks were all that in the IQ and jobs departments, they could pool their resources and start working together and lift themselves out of poverty. After all, Calypso Louis Farrakhan has been advocating this for decades in his speeches. How come his audiences aren’t listening to him?

    Of course the hard bitter truth is that for most black neighborhoods with an out of wedlock birthrate that will hit 90% by ca. 2029 and in some urban centers is currently well over 80% among blacks, the ‘hoods are like a jungle: Dog eat dog and you don’t know who you can trust. So you make alliances of sorts (gangs) where you can hopefully attempt to survive. At one level they do tend to network together, especially when they rob, carjack, flashmob and riot/burn down and loot the cities. Its possible that actions such as these do take some amount of intellect, time, and planning but obviously that’s not the intellect nor the behavior that everyone is calling for among blacks at large.

    And with the average black IQ at about 85, (basically a little higher than imbecile and moron) you can’t expect too many Bill Gates and Steve Jobs to spring forth from these places.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  63. @Bliss

    Show me the exact phrase where I’ve ever said that I vote Republican. You can’t.

    The 1882 Exclusion Act was to restrict the number of Asians, Chinese laborers in particular. The 1924 Act was aimed at everyone, mainly Europeans and that’s fine. Certainly don’t want the wrong sort of folks to come in then or now.

    That’s a lie, a leftist lying canard. We are NOT a nation of immigrants. Historically, the US has been a white nation that was mainly created and largely built by whites who once here, said “and now that’s roughly about it. WE will decide just how many newcomers we allow to come in past our borders. You don’t like it, then lump it.” That was our official policy for well over a couple centuries. Worked pretty well.

    Another lie: There is no such thing as “Native”-Americans. They migrated here as well some thousands of yrs ago across the Bering Straight. African-Americans were technically immigrants since they migrated here. They didn’t choose to migrate but they did. A technicality but an accurate one.

    Know what? Since you obviously are old enough to remember WW2 I’m sure that you have all the correct opinions (after the fact of course) on US’s policies during wartime. I wasn’t there so I’ll leave that one up to posterity to decide and determine what the culpability is regarding the US.

    Although, modern US-Japan relations have largely and for the most part healed by this time, and that’s a good thing.

    Know what? Unlike yourself I’m not a busybody into other how other nations govern themselves. Whatever government they have is entirely up to them and they don’t need any interference from outsiders. What I like about Japan is that they have nationalistic policies specifically designed to protect their own workers as well as extremely low immigration. They don’t want any more Koreans coming in and certainly they don’t want any Hans coming thru their borders either. Good for them for setting boundaries and standards vs any old other nations who attempt to come thru their national doorway.

    How US citizens vote is neither your business nor mine. That’s the beauty of America. The only person that needs to know is the individuals.

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @Hare Krishna
  64. @Bliss

    Uh, because at the time Bellingham was roughly 98% white. DUH.

    Any nation, state, locality, etc has the right to self-determination. If they decide to pass legislation protecting their jobs, their property etc. then that’s their right to do so.

    Also, regarding violence: There’s your truth, the other person’s truth….and then there’s what really happened. Always two sides to an event, and not just yours.

    You’ve already lied or distorted as to the status of Indians and blacks. They were indeed immigrants at one point in their history since neither were indigenous to North American continent. So I’m sure that you have a well informed opinion as to what in fact happened to both groups.

    Frankly, you should keep it to yourself.

  65. Harold says:

    Bliss, why do you think it is shameful to kill other tribes and take their land? Did Genghis think it was shameful, or something to be proud of? What about Shaka Zulu did he think it was shameful? Did the Bantus have any compunction against taking the land of the indigenous pygmies or bushmen? Do you think the Eskimos considered it shameful to take the land from its previous occupants? Did the Maori who killed, tortured, enslaved, raped, and ate the Moriori think such things shameful?

    But you, Bliss, seem to think these are shameful. All I can say is: That’s mighty white of you!

  66. Harold says:

    Btw, going by your nick I am guessing you are a japanophile; so tell us what you think of the nuking of japanese civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Was that a war crime? If not, why not?

    I am a “japanophile”. For your information, the (non-nuclear) firebombing of Japanese cities caused even more death and destruction than the nuclear bombings. I don’t care whether they were “war crimes” or not, but I do think, as I do of the bombings of civilians in German cities, that they were unconscionable atrocities. But what does this have to do with anything? It seems bringing it up only serves for you to indulge in your anti-white animus.

    What do you expect Yojimbo/Zatoichi to say? He can either say he thinks it was tragic and unnecessary, or that it was tragic but necessary to prevent even greater tragedy. And then? How is any of this relevant?

    Bliss, tell us what you think of the Eskimos taking their land from its previous occupants (Dorset culture), probably killing them off. Do you think that, despite their way of life remaining mostly unchanged from then up until European contact, their moral sensibilities improved, or do you think that the Eskimos as they were when the Europeans first encountered them would still do the same in the same circumstances?

    • Replies: @Bliss
  67. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jefferson

    “How come the talented tenth Blacks could not keep Detroit afloat?”

    Probably because they preferred to live in white areas. One unintended consequence of ending segregation was that black neighborhoods lost the ‘talented tenth’ that formally had to live there. They could provide some measure of respect and moral suasion to the lower class members of the black community. Once they were able to live where they wanted too, they promptly decamped for greener pastures..

  68. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    ‘it has nothing to do with race’

    It has everything to do with race. Detroit is Haiti north.

  69. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    “America is not a nation of immigrants”. This is Jewish cultural Marxism. America is a nation of the descendents of settlers from centuries ago. Immigration is a privilege not a right.

  70. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    What happened to the so-called “native Americans” (a cultural Marxist term to de-legitimize whites) was a lot more mild then what happened to Indians in Latin America. In any case they occupied only a fraction of the land and were essentially nomadic-hunter gatherer types. It hardly makes a template for immigration decisions.

  71. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Detroit was built by whites and basically destroyed by blacks. That is the basic, but unacknowledged, truth. What killed Detroit was its demographics. Simply put there are too many blacks living there and they are too unproductive. Detroit should more properly be compared to a city in the Caribbean, like Kingston, Jamaica or Port-au-Prince, Haiti, where there are comparable demographics.

  72. @Jefferson

    because of the untalented ninety-th.

  73. Bliss says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Henry Ford was quite shall we say, the Pro-Jim Crow supporter back in the day.

    Such a shameless, brazen liar. Do you even have a sense of morality?

    The opposite is the truth. Ford hired thousands of african-americans to work in his factories, paying them the same middle class wage that he paid whites. Blacks migrated from the Jim Crow South to Detroit for this opportunity.

    Where Bliss’s entire argument falls into excrement is that 72% of Detroit was WHITE.

    Which was well below the national average of the white population then. While the black population of Detroit was more than double the national average. There were many cities in the North then with over 90% whites but none of them were compared to Paris. Like Minneapolis for example which was overwhelmingly nordic, while the whites of the Paris of the West were mostly the wrong kind of whites: arabs, sicilians, greeks, poles etc, the kind of whites the WASP elite looked down. So what was once the best city in America, was largely filled at that time with middle-easterners, african-americans, slavs and southern europeans…

    And with the average black IQ at about 85, (basically a little higher than imbecile and moron) you can’t expect too many Bill Gates and Steve Jobs to spring forth from these places.

    That is really funny coming from you. You sure don’t come across as intelligent. Or worse, as moral.

    The african-american IQ of 85 is actually a bit higher than that of the white caucasians of the Middle East. For example the Syrian IQ is 79, and fyi, Steve Job’s biological father was a muslim from Syria.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  74. Jefferson says:

    “Detroit should more properly be compared to a city in the Caribbean, like Kingston, Jamaica or Port-au-Prince, Haiti, where there are comparable demographics.”

    Due to it’s changing racial demographics, Ferguson, Missouri is on it’s way to becoming the Kingston, Jamaica of the Midwest.

  75. Bliss says:
    @Harold

    I don’t care whether they were “war crimes” or not, but I do think, as I do of the bombings of civilians in German cities, that they were unconscionable atrocities.

    So how the heck is it irrelevant to deem as war crimes the unconscionable atrocities against women, children elderly and the infirm during a war?

    But what does this have to do with anything?

    To highlight the sheer dishonesty, both moral and intellectual, of your ilk.

    How can a japanophile be so rabidly anti-socialist?

    How can people who believe in Jesus be so greedy and hateful?

    • Replies: @Harold
  76. Bliss says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    That’s a lie, a leftist lying canard. We are NOT a nation of immigrants.

    The liar, yet again, is obviously you. Read the following piece by one of the most prominent right wing think tanks in America the Cato Institute (founded and funded by Charles Koch):

    http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/immigrants-have-enriched-american-culture-enhanced-our-influence-world

    Immigration is not undermining the American experiment; it is an integral part of it. We are a nation of immigrants. Successive waves of immigrants have kept our country demographically young, enriched our culture and added to our productive capacity as a nation, enhancing our influence in the world.

    An authoritative 1997 study by the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) concluded that immigration delivered a “significant positive gain” to the U.S. economy. In testimony before Congress last year, Federal Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan said, “I’ve always argued that this country has benefited immensely from the fact that we draw people from all over the world.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  77. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Without the white immigrants, whose numbers were severely reduced by the 1924 Immigration Act, employers had to recruit blacks from the South. That was the root of how Detroit and the other Great Lakes cities became so heavily African-American. If not for that law they would be white majority today as would cities such as Los Angeles.

    Self-proclaimed “white nationalists” praising the ’24 Immigration Act makes me laugh, because that law may have been the most anti-white law ever passed in the US.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  78. Jefferson says:

    ” There were many cities in the North then with over 90% whites but none of them were compared to Paris.”

    And no predominantly Black city in the history of mankind has ever been compared to Paris.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  79. @Bliss

    Steve Jobs IQ was not 85, you imbecile.

    Detroit was 72% in 1960. From 1930-60 the population was 93%; 89% and then 72% so for most of the time it averaged well above or at the 90% of most US cities.

    Here’s the thing: There were very few blacks in Detroit between 1940-60 to make a major difference in the city’s population. 1940: The city ca. 93% white. 1950: The city ca. 89%. By 1960: It had dropped to 72% but for a major city that was still quite respectable. But blacks didn’t directly affect the total population’s makeup at first and certainly didn’t contribute very much to WW2 effort compared to whites at large.

    Careful, verrry few Arabs pre 1970 in the US at all. Yes, the first mosque was built in Detroit in ’40. There were more Irish, Italians, (European Whites) that comprise Detroit as in rest of US at large during this time (pre-65 Immigration Act).

    Cite your proof of blacks higher IQ being higher than whites from Middle East. You cant, doesn’t exist. At best, they’d be about the same.

    Also, a noted example of the most prominent Middle Eastern nation that you don’t dare mention is ISRAEL. No way that that nation has an average lower IQ than US Blacks, so your lie is exposed.

    Then as now, Israelis have higher IQs than US blacks. From the looks of it, blacks won’t be overtaking them anytime soon.

    Hey, at least US blacks (with their ca.15-25% white admixture in their DNA on average) tend to average higher IQs than African blacks’ IQs of 75. So they do have that going for them.

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @Bliss
  80. @Hare Krishna

    Yes, perhaps in hindsight. But finish the sentence. All the white industrialists had to do was only offer jobs to white union members, which tended to keep out blacks for the most part.

    In other words, white industrialists didn’t really have to recruit black laborers at all. They had plenty of native born white workers in which to draw on (US was 90% white at the time) so it looks like that they wanted to hire blacks to undercut the higher wages they’d have to pay to white working classes and as the whites were beginning to unionize, that meant even more increased pay rates that they’d have to deal with. Much like the free trade policies of today. The multi national incs would much rather not deal with unionized (largely) white workers and ship jobs to non-white nations at lower rates of pay.

    The ’24 law was a good one for US’s long term health. The ’65 reform act has been even worse. And now the blacks are moving back to the South.

    LA by the way, never had a sizable black population compared to DC, Memphis, Birmingham, Chicago, etc. for the simple reason that fewer blacks tend to live west of Pacos.

    • Replies: @Hare Krishna
  81. Bliss says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Steve Jobs IQ was not 85, you imbecile

    .

    I wrote that Steve Jobs biological father is from Syria which has an average IQ of 79 . It takes a complete moron to conclude that means Jobs IQ was 85! You come across as a very irrational person. I am guessing your IQ is lower than the syrian average. Am I right or what?

    Cite your proof of blacks higher IQ being higher than whites from Middle East

    Educate yourself:

    http://www.ttu.ee/public/m/mart-murdvee/EconPsy/2/Lynn_Meisenberg_2010_National_IQs_calculated_and_validated_for_108_nations.pdf

    Syria: IQ 79
    Lebanon: IQ 82
    Iran: IQ 84

  82. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    I know LA’s black population never got to the levels of the Great Lakes area cities (not even Pittsburgh) or the Southern cities but by western standards it did get pretty large.

    African-American leaders generally supported the ’24 Immigration Act because they knew it would result in more jobs going to blacks. With far fewer immigrant workers from Europe – the ’24 act allowed unlimited Mexican immigration but Mexicans didn’t move to the Northeast and Midwest – the obvious place for the factories to recruit was among Southern blacks.

  83. Bliss says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    There were very few blacks in Detroit between 1940-60 to make a major difference in the city’s population.

    In 1950 the black population of Detroit was over 16%. In 1960 it was over 29%. These are significantly disproportionate numbers. This was in the good old days when Jim Crow was still in effect in the South.

    Btw, I take back all I wrote about Detroit being compared to Paris when it had large numbers of blacks. I just learned that comparison was made before the auto industry transformed the city. Mea culpa…

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  84. iffen says:
    @Bliss

    Out of burlap sacks, out of bearing butter,
    Out of black bean and wet slate bread,
    Out of the acids of rage, the candor of tar,
    Out of creosote, gasoline, drive shafts, wooden dollies,
    They Lion grow.

    Out of the gray hills
    Of industrial barns, out of rain, out of bus ride,
    West Virginia to Kiss My Ass…………………………………

    From my five arms and all my hands,
    From all my white sins forgiven, they feed…………..

    Philip Levine

  85. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Look around, ALL cities with blacks in the majority and / or in control of city government are basket cases with rampant corruption and extreme crime. In fact, look around again, all countries with a black head of state and / or a black majority are the same, without fail.

    But it’s always the fault of others.

    Ever notice how far away from blacks all the ‘liberals’ live. Astounding hypocrisy.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  86. @Bliss

    Yes, you should take back a lot of what you wrote, but we’ll settle for this one. That’s right, the “Paris of the West” monniker was late 19th early 20th century, back when Detroit was nearly 99% white. So then, whites built Detroit and made it the Paris of the West.

    I think you really should take some of these things up with Mr. Paul Kersey. You and he would get along splendidly. I dare you. And you probably won’t.

    The auto industry transformed Detroit as early as 1915, with Henry Ford’s innovate assembly line, increased wages for his workers (all white at that time) this incredible transformation of the auto industry continued as the Roaring Twenties progressed. Henry Ford first offered increased rates of pay to his workers….in 1913, when Detroit was nearly 99% white.

    You tactfully decline to mention Israel’s IQ and I can understand why. US Jews, with their IQ mean of 115 is higher than all Asian nations and two SD’s higher than US blacks.

    You don’t appear to be very blissful, except in the ways of total ignorance.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  87. @Anonymous

    Shhh. Don’t let Blissy hear that or he’ll blissfully assume that this all a racist white plot to keep blacks down from reaching up to their true potential (ca. 90% out of wedlock birthrates by ca.2029).

  88. Jefferson says:

    “Shhh. Don’t let Blissy hear that or he’ll blissfully assume that this all a racist white plot to keep blacks down from reaching up to their true potential (ca. 90% out of wedlock birthrates by ca.2029).”

    Father’s Day is the least celebrated holiday in the African American community. The percentage of African Americans buying Hallmark cards for their father is not very high.

  89. Bliss says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    You tactfully decline to mention Israel’s IQ and I can understand why. US Jews, with their IQ mean of 115 is higher than all Asian nations and two SD’s higher than US blacks.

    I don’t see what Israel’s IQ has to do with my point comparing african-american IQ to that of white middle-easterners (a point you are studiously ignoring). Israel is an outlier in the middle east. The majority of its citizens are either immigrants from Europe, or descendants of.

    Secondly, ignoramus, Israel’s IQ is 95. On what rational basis are you equating it to the IQ of american jews?

    Thirdly, for every ashkenazi jew there are over a 100 east asians.

    Fourthly, both jewish-americans and japanese-americans tend to be hard core Democrats. What does that tell you?

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  90. Jefferson says:

    “Ever notice how far away from blacks all the ‘liberals’ live. Astounding hypocrisy.”

    Even most of Black America’s talented tenth live far away from the Black masses.

    Oprah Winfrey for example lives in Montecito, California where less than 1 percent of the population is Black.

    Kobe Bryant lives in Newport Beach, California where the percentage of Blacks is also below 1 percent.

    LeBron James lives in Bath Township, Ohio where only 1 percent of the population is Black.

    Serena Williams lives in Palm Beach Gardens, Florida where only 2 percent of the population is Black.

    I can go on and on.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  91. @Bliss

    Sub-Saharan African nations IQ is well below 70 so Middle East is ahead of the dumbest IQs on the planet.

    Dumb dumb, I’m equating Israel’s IQ with African-American’s IQ (85). Israel’s IQ collectively is still way higher than African-Americans’ IQ (and Sub-saharan nations’ IQs) two groups of which you have some affinity for.

    Uh, yes, DUH….there are more Asians than Jews in the world. And yet, Jews tend to have higher IQs than any of them.

    People have the right to vote however they want to. Why are you getting your panties in a twist about it?

    • Replies: @Harold
  92. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    Of course Greenspan would say that. He is a Jew.

  93. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    You call somebody a “liar” and cite your “proof” by noting some B.S. crap by the Cato institute. LOL.

  94. Harold says:
    @Bliss

    So how the heck is it irrelevant to deem as war crimes the unconscionable atrocities against women, children elderly and the infirm during a war?

    It’s not irrelevant. I am just dubious of the notion of a “war crime”. When are George W. Bush or Tony Blair going to be brought up on war crime charges? They never will be. “War crimes” only seem to apply to defeated nations. Who are the disinterested adjudicators supposed to be when powerful countries are involved? It’s a farce.

    To highlight the sheer dishonesty, both moral and intellectual, of your ilk.

    You’ll have to elaborate.

    How can a japanophile be so rabidly anti-socialist?

    Why can’t Japanophiles be anti-socialist? What makes you think I am anti-socialist?

    How can people who believe in Jesus be so greedy and hateful?

    Whay do you say I’m greedy? Why hateful? Furthermore, I don’t believe in Jesus.

    Mostly I am against browbeating and bamboozling whites into believing the Great Lie that all races only differ superficially and that therefore their genetic legacy is irrelevant, that it is sinful to wish to preserve it, and if other races are worse off than whites then it is whites fault. These lies are the great evil of our times.

  95. Harold says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    If you look at Israel’s PISA scores you will see that they are dismal. I recall that they did about as well as pacific islanders did here in New Zealand. This would be consistent with the average IQ being in the mid 80s. Israel is not filled with Ashkenazi jews.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  96. Sam J. says:

    There’s an unstated axiom in this whole conversation. We should care. White people should care. Why? Why is it that there’s a burden on White people that we should care about all other races? Do they care about us? Certainly not as much as we are supposed to care about them. Why shouldn’t we care about White people first. Is it hate to care about your children before you care about Blacks in Detroit? Is it hate to care about your family before you care about children in India? Where is it written that we’re responsible for all the woes of the world? What if on TV they constantly said,”You must care about Whites first”. In movies. In magazines. In all popular books. Would there be a difference?

    Speaking of hate. Why shouldn’t we hate? Why is it that other races can have, righteous hate! They can hate Whites. They can hate Asians. Asians can hate Whites. Why is it only Whites can’t hate. Hate for destruction, murder and rape is a healthy thing. Hate for disintegration of your country is a healthy thing. Hate for manipulation of your financial system is healthy. Hate for outsourcing of you manufacturing is healthy. Hate for constant anti-White propaganda is healthy and hating the people who put it out is healthy too.

    Bliss’s “They came for me speech” has some corollaries.

    They first controlled the banks. They then took over the legislature. They then destroyed the currency while enriching themselves. Then they took over all the land, housing and industry. They then attempted to demoralize the people with child prostitution, pornography and constant attacks on the culture and religion. They then tried to take over the country and in the process murdered many thousands of people. Fortunately for the Germans they had Adolf Hitler.

    You may hate Hitler but the Germans never had to go through what the Russians did after the Jews took over Russia. Most people liked Hitler. While people were starving to death in America due to Oligarchical financial manipulation Hitler controlled Germany’s financial system and Germans were going on vacations.

  97. @Harold

    Oh, so that’s it. Not many Ashkenazi (although to be fair, modern Israel was mostly founded by Ashkenazi in the original leadership, Ben-Gurion, etc.)

    It’s probably because we’re spoiled by US Jews, which do have a mean IQ of 115 one of the highest in the world for any group. Therefore we tend to think that Jews worldwide have the same high IQ.

    Because US Jews IQ is among the highest in the world. That’s a fact. But then, most here are Ashkenazi.

    So the dumb-dumbs are the Shephardic. In other words they’re not all that.

    But to be fair, nearly half of Israel’s population is Arabic. So that has to be factored into the equation. An Arab can have Israeli citizenship and serve in the Knesset. So certainly Israel’s lower IQ score vs US Jews is due in part to its Arabic population (which is nearly half of Israel’s total population).

  98. @Jefferson

    So, that means that Serena, Kobe, LeBron, and Oprah live in some of the most well behaved Section 8’s in all America!

  99. jo s'more says:

    “You are a descendant of immigrants from europe.”

    Um, no.

    The word you are looking for is settler.

    A settler takes a piece of land, fells trees, builds a house, plows fields and grows more than enough food to feed himself, his family and the locals. At which point the railroad hauls his surplus produce to the cities.

    Got that?

    We are descended from settlers, not immigrants. Many can point to multiple generations of settlers who began in Massachusetts in the mid 17th century and whose children then settled New York at the turn of the century. Their grandchildren moved on to settle Iowa in the 19th century with land grants for service in the war of 1812. Their great grand children continued on to settle Nebraska and their ggg grandchildren settled Washington. And that just describes one English family with many thousands of descendants who were settlers not immigrants.

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