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[This interview has been excerpted from Global Discontents: Conversations on the Rising Threats to Democracy, the new book by Noam Chomsky and David Barsamian to be published this December.]

David Barsamian: You have spoken about the difference between Trump’s buffoonery, which gets endlessly covered by the media, and the actual policies he is striving to enact, which receive less attention. Do you think he has any coherent economic, political, or international policy goals? What has Trump actually managed to accomplish in his first months in office?

Noam Chomsky: There is a diversionary process under way, perhaps just a natural result of the propensities of the figure at center stage and those doing the work behind the curtains.

At one level, Trump’s antics ensure that attention is focused on him, and it makes little difference how. Who even remembers the charge that millions of illegal immigrants voted for Clinton, depriving the pathetic little man of his Grand Victory? Or the accusation that Obama had wiretapped Trump Tower? The claims themselves don’t really matter. It’s enough that attention is diverted from what is happening in the background. There, out of the spotlight, the most savage fringe of the Republican Party is carefully advancing policies designed to enrich their true constituency: the Constituency of private power and wealth, “the masters of mankind,” to borrow Adam Smith’s phrase.

These policies will harm the irrelevant general population and devastate future generations, but that’s of little concern to the Republicans. They’ve been trying to push through similarly destructive legislation for years. Paul Ryan, for example, has long been advertising his ideal of virtually eliminating the federal government, apart from service to the Constituency — though in the past he’s wrapped his proposals in spreadsheets so they would look wonkish to commentators. Now, while attention is focused on Trump’s latest mad doings, the Ryan gang and the executive branch are ramming through legislation and orders that undermine workers’ rights, cripple consumer protections, and severely harm rural communities. They seek to devastate health programs, revoking the taxes that pay for them in order to further enrich their Constituency, and to eviscerate the Dodd-Frank Act, which imposed some much-needed constraints on the predatory financial system that grew during the neoliberal period.

That’s just a sample of how the wrecking ball is being wielded by the newly empowered Republican Party. Indeed, it is no longer a political party in the traditional sense. Conservative political analysts Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein have described it more accurately as a “radical insurgency,” one that has abandoned normal parliamentary politics.

Much of this is being carried out stealthily, in closed sessions, with as little public notice as possible. Other Republican policies are more open, such as pulling out of the Paris climate agreement, thereby isolating the U.S. as a pariah state that refuses to participate in international efforts to confront looming environmental disaster. Even worse, they are intent on maximizing the use of fossil fuels, including the most dangerous; dismantling regulations; and sharply cutting back on research and development of alternative energy sources, which will soon be necessary for decent survival.

The reasons behind the policies are a mix. Some are simply service to the Constituency. Others are of little concern to the “masters of mankind” but are designed to hold on to segments of the voting bloc that the Republicans have cobbled together, since Republican policies have shifted so far to the right that their actual proposals would not attract voters. For example, terminating support for family planning is not service to the Constituency. Indeed, that group may mostly support family planning. But terminating that support appeals to the evangelical Christian base — voters who close their eyes to the fact that they are effectively advocating more unwanted pregnancies and, therefore, increasing the frequency of resort to abortion, under harmful and even lethal conditions.

Not all of the damage can be blamed on the con man who is nominally in charge, on his outlandish appointments, or on the congressional forces he has unleashed. Some of the most dangerous developments under Trump trace back to Obama initiatives — initiatives passed, to be sure, under pressure from the Republican Congress.

The most dangerous of these has barely been reported. A very important study in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, published in March 2017, reveals that the Obama nuclear weapons modernization program has increased “the overall killing power of existing US ballistic missile forces by a factor of roughly three — and it creates exactly what one would expect to see, if a nuclear-armed state were planning to have the capacity to fight and win a nuclear war by disarming enemies with a surprise first strike.” As the analysts point out, this new capacity undermines the strategic stability on which human survival depends. And the chilling record of near disaster and reckless behavior of leaders in past years only shows how fragile our survival is. Now this program is being carried forward under Trump. These developments, along with the threat of environmental disaster, cast a dark shadow over everything else — and are barely discussed, while attention is claimed by the performances of the showman at center stage.

Whether Trump has any idea what he and his henchmen are up to is not clear. Perhaps he is completely authentic: an ignorant, thin-skinned megalomaniac whose only ideology is himself. But what is happening under the rule of the extremist wing of the Republican organization is all too plain.

Barsamian: Do you see any encouraging activity on the Democrats’ side? Or is it time to begin thinking about a third party?

Chomsky: There is a lot to think about. The most remarkable feature of the 2016 election was the Bernie Sanders campaign, which broke the pattern set by over a century of U.S. political history. A substantial body of political science research convincingly establishes that elections are pretty much bought; campaign funding alone is a remarkably good predictor of electability, for Congress as well as for the presidency. It also predicts the decisions of elected officials. Correspondingly, a considerable majority of the electorate — those lower on the income scale — are effectively disenfranchised, in that their representatives disregard their preferences. In this light, there is little surprise in the victory of a billionaire TV star with substantial media backing: direct backing from the leading cable channel, Rupert Murdoch’s Fox, and from highly influential right-wing talk radio; indirect but lavish backing from the rest of the major media, which was entranced by Trump’s antics and the advertising revenue that poured in.

The Sanders campaign, on the other hand, broke sharply from the prevailing model. Sanders was barely known. He had virtually no support from the main funding sources, was ignored or derided by the media, and labeled himself with the scare word “socialist.” Yet he is now the most popular political figure in the country by a large margin.

At the very least, the success of the Sanders campaign shows that many options can be pursued even within the stultifying two-party framework, with all of the institutional barriers to breaking free of it. During the Obama years, the Democratic Party disintegrated at the local and state levels. The party had largely abandoned the working class years earlier, even more so with Clinton trade and fiscal policies that undermined U.S. manufacturing and the fairly stable employment it provided.

There is no dearth of progressive policy proposals. The program developed by Robert Pollin in his book Greening the Global Economy is one very promising approach. Gar Alperovitz’s work on building an authentic democracy based on worker self-management is another. Practical implementations of these approaches and related ideas are taking shape in many different ways. Popular organizations, some of them outgrowths of the Sanders campaign, are actively engaged in taking advantage of the many opportunities that are available.

At the same time, the established two-party framework, though venerable, is by no means graven in stone. It’s no secret that in recent years, traditional political institutions have been declining in the industrial democracies, under the impact of what is called “populism.” That term is used rather loosely to refer to the wave of discontent, anger, and contempt for institutions that has accompanied the neoliberal assault of the past generation, which led to stagnation for the majority alongside a spectacular concentration of wealth in the hands of a few.

Functioning democracy erodes as a natural effect of the concentration of economic power, which translates at once to political power by familiar means, but also for deeper and more principled reasons. The doctrinal pretense is that the transfer of decision-making from the public sector to the “market” contributes to individual freedom, but the reality is different. The transfer is from public institutions, in which voters have some say, insofar as democracy is functioning, to private tyrannies — the corporations that dominate the economy — in which voters have no say at all. In Europe, there is an even more direct method of undermining the threat of democracy: placing crucial decisions in the hands of the unelected troika — the International Monetary Fund, the European Central Bank, and the European Commission — which heeds the northern banks and the creditor community, not the voting population.

These policies are dedicated to making sure that society no longer exists, Margaret Thatcher’s famous description of the world she perceived — or, more accurately, hoped to create: one where there is no society, only individuals. This was Thatcher’s unwitting paraphrase of Marx’s bitter condemnation of repression in France, which left society as a “sack of potatoes,” an amorphous mass that cannot function. In the contemporary case, the tyrant is not an autocratic ruler — in the West, at least — but concentrations of private power.

The collapse of centrist governing institutions has been evident in elections: in France in mid-2017 and in the United States a few months earlier, where the two candidates who mobilized popular forces were Sanders and Trump — though Trump wasted no time in demonstrating the fraudulence of his “populism” by quickly ensuring that the harshest elements of the old establishment would be firmly ensconced in power in the luxuriating “swamp.”

These processes might lead to a breakdown of the rigid American system of one-party business rule with two competing factions, with varying voting blocs over time. They might provide an opportunity for a genuine “people’s party” to emerge, a party where the voting bloc is the actual constituency, and the guiding values merit respect.

Barsamian: Trump’s first foreign trip was to Saudi Arabia. What significance do you see in that, and what does it mean for broader Middle East policies? And what do you make of Trump’s animus toward Iran?

Chomsky: Saudi Arabia is the kind of place where Trump feels right at home: a brutal dictatorship, miserably repressive (notoriously so for women’s rights, but in many other areas as well), the leading producer of oil (now being overtaken by the United States), and with plenty of money. The trip produced promises of massive weapons sales — greatly cheering the Constituency — and vague intimations of other Saudi gifts. One of the consequences was that Trump’s Saudi friends were given a green light to escalate their disgraceful atrocities in Yemen and to discipline Qatar, which has been a shade too independent of the Saudi masters. Iran is a factor there. Qatar shares a natural gas field with Iran and has commercial and cultural relations with it, frowned upon by the Saudis and their deeply reactionary associates.

Iran has long been regarded by U.S. leaders, and by U.S. media commentary, as extraordinarily dangerous, perhaps the most dangerous country on the planet. This goes back to well before Trump. In the doctrinal system, Iran is a dual menace: it is the leading supporter of terrorism, and its nuclear programs pose an existential threat to Israel, if not the whole world. It is so dangerous that Obama had to install an advanced air defense system near the Russian border to protect Europe from Iranian nuclear weapons — which don’t exist, and which, in any case, Iranian leaders would use only if possessed by a desire to be instantly incinerated in return.

That’s the doctrinal system. In the real world, Iranian support for terrorism translates to support for Hezbollah, whose major crime is that it is the sole deterrent to yet another destructive Israeli invasion of Lebanon, and for Hamas, which won a free election in the Gaza Strip — a crime that instantly elicited harsh sanctions and led the U.S. government to prepare a military coup. Both organizations, it is true, can be charged with terrorist acts, though not anywhere near the amount of terrorism that stems from Saudi Arabia’s involvement in the formation and actions of jihadi networks.

As for Iran’s nuclear weapons programs, U.S. intelligence has confirmed what anyone can easily figure out for themselves: if they exist, they are part of Iran’s deterrent strategy. There is also the unmentionable fact that any concern about Iranian weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) could be alleviated by the simple means of heeding Iran’s call to establish a WMD-free zone in the Middle East. Such a zone is strongly supported by the Arab states and most of the rest of the world and is blocked primarily by the United States, which wishes to protect Israel’s WMD capabilities.

Since the doctrinal system falls apart on inspection, we are left with the task of finding the true reasons for U.S. animus toward Iran. Possibilities readily come to mind. The United States and Israel cannot tolerate an independent force in a region that they take to be theirs by right. An Iran with a nuclear deterrent is unacceptable to rogue states that want to rampage however they wish throughout the Middle East. But there is more to it than that. Iran cannot be forgiven for overthrowing the dictator installed by Washington in a military coup in 1953, a coup that destroyed Iran’s parliamentary regime and its unconscionable belief that Iran might have some claim on its own natural resources. The world is too complex for any simple description, but this seems to me the core of the tale.

It also wouldn’t hurt to recall that in the past six decades, scarcely a day has passed when Washington was not tormenting Iranians. After the 1953 military coup came U.S. support for a dictator described by Amnesty International as a leading violator of fundamental human rights. Immediately after his overthrow came the U.S.-backed invasion of Iran by Saddam Hussein, no small matter. Hundreds of thousands of Iranians were killed, many by chemical weapons. Reagan’s support for his friend Saddam was so extreme that when Iraq attacked a U.S. ship, the USS Stark, killing 37 American sailors, it received only a light tap on the wrist in response. Reagan also sought to blame Iran for Saddam’s horrendous chemical warfare attacks on Iraqi Kurds.

Eventually, the United States intervened directly in the Iran-Iraq War, leading to Iran’s bitter capitulation. Afterward, George H. W. Bush invited Iraqi nuclear engineers to the United States for advanced training in nuclear weapons production — an extraordinary threat to Iran, quite apart from its other implications. And, of course, Washington has been the driving force behind harsh sanctions against Iran that continue to the present day.

Trump, for his part, has joined the harshest and most repressive dictators in shouting imprecations at Iran. As it happens, Iran held an election during his Middle East travel extravaganza — an election which, however flawed, would be unthinkable in the land of his Saudi hosts, who also happen to be the source of the radical Islamism that is poisoning the region. But U.S. animus against Iran goes far beyond Trump himself. It includes those regarded as the “adults” in the Trump administration, like James “Mad Dog” Mattis, the secretary of defense. And it stretches a long way into the past.

Barsamian: What are the strategic issues where Korea is concerned? Can anything be done to defuse the growing conflict?

Chomsky: Korea has been a festering problem since the end of World War II, when the hopes of Koreans for unification of the peninsula were blocked by the intervention of the great powers, the United States bearing primary responsibility.

The North Korean dictatorship may well win the prize for brutality and repression, but it is seeking and to some extent carrying out economic development, despite the overwhelming burden of a huge military system. That system includes, of course, a growing arsenal of nuclear weapons and missiles, which pose a threat to the region and, in the longer term, to countries beyond — but its function is to be a deterrent, one that the North Korean regime is unlikely to abandon as long as it remains under threat of destruction.

Today, we are instructed that the great challenge faced by the world is how to compel North Korea to freeze these nuclear and missile programs. Perhaps we should resort to more sanctions, cyberwar, intimidation; to the deployment of the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) anti-missile system, which China regards as a serious threat to its own interests; perhaps even to direct attack on North Korea — which, it is understood, would elicit retaliation by massed artillery, devastating Seoul and much of South Korea even without the use of nuclear weapons.

But there is another option, one that seems to be ignored: we could simply accept North Korea’s offer to do what we are demanding. China and North Korea have already proposed that North Korea freeze its nuclear and missile programs. The proposal, though, was rejected at once by Washington, just as it had been two years earlier, because it includes a quid pro quo: it calls on the United States to halt its threatening military exercises on North Korea’s borders, including simulated nuclear-bombing attacks by B-52s.

The Chinese-North Korean proposal is hardly unreasonable. North Koreans remember well that their country was literally flattened by U.S. bombing, and many may recall how U.S. forces bombed major dams when there were no other targets left. There were gleeful reports in American military publications about the exciting spectacle of a huge flood of water wiping out the rice crops on which “the Asian” depends for survival. They are very much worth reading, a useful part of historical memory.

The offer to freeze North Korea’s nuclear and missile programs in return for an end to highly provocative actions on North Korea’s border could be the basis for more far-reaching negotiations, which could radically reduce the nuclear threat and perhaps even bring the North Korea crisis to an end. Contrary to much inflamed commentary, there are good reasons to think such negotiations might succeed. Yet even though the North Korean programs are constantly described as perhaps the greatest threat we face, the Chinese-North Korean proposal is unacceptable to Washington, and is rejected by U.S. commentators with impressive unanimity. This is another entry in the shameful and depressing record of near-reflexive preference for force when peaceful options may well be available.

The 2017 South Korean elections may offer a ray of hope. Newly elected President Moon Jae-in seems intent on reversing the harsh confrontationist policies of his predecessor. He has called for exploring diplomatic options and taking steps toward reconciliation, which is surely an improvement over the angry fist-waving that might lead to real disaster.

Barsamian: You have in the past expressed concern about the European Union. What do you think will happen as Europe becomes less tied to the U.S. and the U.K.?

Chomsky: The E.U. has fundamental problems, notably the single currency with no political union. It also has many positive features. There are some sensible ideas aimed at saving what is good and improving what is harmful. Yanis Varoufakis’s DiEM25 initiative for a democratic Europe is a promising approach.

The U.K. has often been a U.S. surrogate in European politics. Brexit might encourage Europe to take a more independent role in world affairs, a course that might be accelerated by Trump policies that increasingly isolate us from the world. While he is shouting loudly and waving an enormous stick, China could take the lead on global energy policies while extending its influence to the west and, ultimately, to Europe, based on the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and the New Silk Road.

That Europe might become an independent “third force” has been a matter of concern to U.S. planners since World War II. There have long been discussions of something like a Gaullist conception of Europe from the Atlantic to the Urals or, in more recent years, Gorbachev’s vision of a common Europe from Brussels to Vladivostok.

Whatever happens, Germany is sure to retain a dominant role in European affairs. It is rather startling to hear a conservative German chancellor, Angela Merkel, lecturing her U.S. counterpart on human rights, and taking the lead, at least for a time, in confronting the refugee issue, Europe’s deep moral crisis. On the other hand, Germany’s insistence on austerity and paranoia about inflation and its policy of promoting exports by limiting domestic consumption have no slight responsibility for Europe’s economic distress, particularly the dire situation of the peripheral economies. In the best case, however, which is not beyond imagination, Germany could influence Europe to become a generally positive force in world affairs.

Barsamian: What do you make of the conflict between the Trump administration and the U.S. intelligence communities? Do you believe in the “deep state”?

Chomsky: There is a national security bureaucracy that has persisted since World War II. And national security analysts, in and out of government, have been appalled by many of Trump’s wild forays. Their concerns are shared by the highly credible experts who set the Doomsday Clock, advanced to two and a half minutes to midnight as soon as Trump took office — the closest it has been to terminal disaster since 1953, when the U.S. and USSR exploded thermonuclear weapons. But I see little sign that it goes beyond that, that there is any secret “deep state” conspiracy.

Barsamian: To conclude, as we look forward to your 89th birthday, I wonder: Do you have a theory of longevity?

Chomsky: Yes, it’s simple, really. If you’re riding a bicycle and you don’t want to fall off, you have to keep going — fast.

Noam Chomsky is the author of numerous bestselling political works, including Hegemony or Survival and Failed States . A laureate professor at the University of Arizona and professor emeritus of linguistics and philosophy at MIT, he is widely credited with having revolutionized modern linguistics. His newest book (with David Barsamian) is Global Discontents: Conversations on the Rising Threats to Democracy (Metropolitan Books, December 2017) from which this piece was excerpted. He lives in Tucson, Arizona.

David Barsamian is the award-winning founder and director of Alternative Radio, an independent syndicated radio program. In addition to his 10 books with Noam Chomsky, his works include books with Tariq Ali, Howard Zinn, Edward Said, Arundhati Roy, and Richard Wolff. He lives in Boulder, Colorado.

Copyright 2017 Noam Chomsky and David Barsamian

(Republished from TomDispatch by permission of author or representative)
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  1. Somebody says:

    Chomsky literally talks like a triggered woman. Trump has been proving to be shit, but the way this Jew put it is just laughable.
    He smears and uses buzzwords in his whole speech, he’s a media man faking as something better.
    But yes, the NWO hardly got hit with Trump, but any other Republican would be worse, as everything and more would be happening (just imagine the disaster of a ¡Jeb! presidency) or with the lunatic Clinton and the Bolshevik Jew Sanders (oops, a pleonasm).

    Tell me the solution, anyone. It would be easy in a normal scenario, where the “Leftist” lies, ideology and modus operandi would make it self destruct with time and generations, but we have externalities, say Globalist ones, that keep feeding the beast with infinite funding, fresh adherents (illegals and other non-whites, a constant influx), legislation that censors opposition (they buy the politicians, that’s the whole point of Democracy, to be able to buy puppets), financial boycott in general, public death and outright assassination.

    This is not an ideological war, this is not a public political discourse and debate. This is a war, they want to destroy society, they want to destroy those that don’t need the government because those that need are their pawns, dependent slaves.

    If everything goes down though, something that they didn’t predict in the past will hunt them: China.
    They though that by controling the West, the other countries would be nothing. But if they destroy the West, they will be in turn destroyed by China.
    I think they know that, but because they’re old and insane, and because their religion demands (just like there are Atheist Cultural Christians, like RD said) and their race too, they’ll keep with their all or nothing plan, betting the world.

    • Replies: @LauraMR
  2. wayfarer says:

    U.S. Debt Clock

    How much cash will freeloading Israeli panhandlers mooch from struggling American taxpayers in 2017?
    \$3,700,000,000 / 250 work days per year =
    = \$14,800,000.00 per work day
    = \$1,850,000 per work hour

    Israel Did It!

  3. joe webb says:

    The zionist Chomsky, continues his jewish attack on Whites. Everything he says is basically a Jewish Lives Matter attack on Whites.

    Joe Webb

    • Replies: @Z-man
  4. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Uttering with hyperlinks must be at the cutting edge of linguistics. How many casual readers will think this is how a brilliant 88-year old speaks extemporaneously to the press, when in fact Mr. Barsamian is no independent journalist, but Dr. Chomsky’s 10-time co-author? That’s not even batting practice — it’s tee-ball.

    Maybe concocting “interviews,” instead of arguing in essay form, doesn’t put others off. But don’t you find the paternal tone, especially in the penultimate Q&A dispelling fears of a “‘deep state,’” condescending? [“Don’t be scared, honey, the ‘national security bureaucracy’ and other ‘highly credible experts’ are under the bed to protect you from that monster you childishly elected. Nighty night.”] All in all, it seems contrived.

    I’m sympathetic to some of what he has to say, such as the observations in this excerpt about how the rulers of Iran and North Korea have come to see ours. But the more I sample online, the less inclined I am to read in depth any of Dr. Chomsky’s work. Perhaps other UR commenters will recommend something of his to better inform my opinions.

  5. Wondering says:

    If there is a “pathetic little man,” it is Noam Chomsky. His ignorance of history is breathtaking.

    • Replies: @polaco
  6. Chomsky: Saudi Arabia is the kind of place where Trump feels right at home: a brutal dictatorship, miserably repressive (notoriously so for women’s rights, but in many other areas as well),

    Apparently China feels right at home there as well. The difference being that while we sold the Saudis another pile of weaponry (our only stock in trade?), China began delivery of 600 motor busses to them at the same time.

  7. Jason Liu says:

    Chomsky’s fallen out of favor with everyone on the left except old school anti-war people. It’s all about racism and sexism now, not class or geopolitics. The average liberal is hilariously ignorant on geopolitics, and only cares about it to the extent that they can attack a domestic rightist or cheer a domestic leftist.

  8. Bill says:

    Seriously? Noam Chomsky? Here, right at the start, is one of the Noamster’s patented lies:

    At one level, Trump’s antics ensure that attention is focused on him, and it makes little difference how. Who even remembers the charge that millions of illegal immigrants voted for Clinton, depriving the pathetic little man of his Grand Victory? Or the accusation that Obama had wiretapped Trump Tower?

    This passage makes no sense, in context, unless these claims by Trump are false and so obviously false that they require no discussion. But that isn’t remotely clear.

    The Noamster’s greatest hits, his enthusiastic apologetics for the Cambodian genocide and the psychotically murderous North Vietnamese regime, are full of this particular rhetorical technique. Nothing this dirtbag says can be trusted.

    It’s really depressing that people like Kagonovich and Chomsky get to die peacefully in their beds as old men.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  9. I’ll have to come back to this later. This is a bit too much hyperbole, and of the ridiculous sort at that, for this early in the morning.

    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith
  10. I’ve never understood why Chomsky is considered a great intellectual, he’s dull and pedantic. Like Lena Dunham and Adam Sandler he’s famous not because he’s talented but because he’s a Jew.

  11. n230099 says:

    Well, overall, it sounds like this Chomsky dude didn’t think this all through first or he would have done more to prevent it. Acting all nervous now and pulling the “Will Robertson’s Robot” act is sad.

  12. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “They’ve been trying to push through similarly destructive legislation for years. Paul Ryan, for example, has long been advertising his ideal of virtually eliminating the federal government, apart from service to the Constituency”

    When has Ryan EVER promoted eliminating any form of the federal government?

    Chumpsky is another zionist propagandist.. There is nothing to see here – move on people!

  13. Noam Chomsky has written that the Clinton Administration was anti-Immigrant because the Clinton administration militarized the border..that is to say, the Clinton Administration did a minimal amount of border security so as not to provoke a revolt that would have taken place if the Clinton administration implemented Chomsky’s open borders immigration policy…

    So take your pick:1)Noam Chomsky is clinically insane….or…2)
    Noam Chomsky has violent hatred of the Native Born White American Christian Working Class.

    Noam does not support the right of return for Palestinians…But Noam does suppport the demographic extermination of The Historic Native Born White Christian American Working Class…as does his fat ugly pig daughter Aviva.

    Noam Chomsky was an enthusiast for Scottish Nationalism and secession because it would allow the Sihks…Hindus….Pakistani Muslims to vote the Native Scots into a racial minority within the borders of Scotland….Same reason why Noam supports Catalonia secession.

    Noam Chomsky is not the least bit demographically neutral….He has a very nasty demographic agenda:Demographically exterminate the Native Born White American Christian Population+
    demographically exterminate the Native European Population of Europa…

    • Replies: @Altai
    , @Wally
  14. TheOldOne says:

    Ron Unz:

    Why is this leftist garbage posted here? What is the point?

    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith
  15. @Bill

    Nothing this dirtbag says can be trusted.

    Agree, and this is a gratingly tedious and irrational mixture of truths, cliches, talking points, propaganda, pure fantasy and other BS. One wonders if this guy really believes the stuff he says.

    Democracy works? Since when, and how does he know?

    Republicans are bad but Democrats are good? Gimmee a break; only a true ass would still believe that sappiness.

    Bernie Sanders is some sort of hero? Don’t make me laugh.

    He’s correct about the defects of the Euro, but as a fan of Yanis Varoufakis, he, like Varoufakis, is a bit naive when it comes to the concept of a political union of Europeans. It’s a really sick concept and one that’s designed to more easily control Europeans from one centralized perch. It all sounds fine and dandy to collectivists until one figures out who’ll be pulling the strings if not initially then eventually.

    But I see little sign that it goes beyond that, that there is any secret “deep state” conspiracy.

    Technically he’s correct about that. There isn’t one. There are many. Nice try, Noawm!

    I grade his 4000 word tomfoolery a waste of bandwidth.

  16. I wondered how far down I’d have to go before I’d come to the ritualistic attack on the EU and the ritualistic defence of Putin. For Porfessor Chomsky’s information, the European Commission does have any decision-making power. It merely implements decisions of the Council, which is the elected governments of the sovereign Member States.

    • Replies: @Wally
  17. Hu Mi Yu says:

    Seriously? Noam Chomsky? Here, right at the start, is one of the Noamster’s patented lies:

    At one level, Trump’s antics ensure that attention is focused on him, and it makes little difference how. Who even remembers the charge that millions of illegal immigrants voted for Clinton, depriving the pathetic little man of his Grand Victory? Or the accusation that Obama had wiretapped Trump Tower?

    This passage makes no sense, in context, unless these claims by Trump are false and so obviously false that they require no discussion. But that isn’t remotely clear.

    This is sophisticated propaganda. A paradoxical statement distracts the logical mind while the subliminal messages are unconsciously absorbed: “pathetic little man”, “deprived of victory”, Trump tower not wiretapped, etc. Chomsky is a master of this.

  18. @Johnny Smoggins

    Because of his very deep contributions to the study and understanding of syntax…deep contributions to mathematical linguistics….his clarification of long standing unresolved issues in analytic philosophy…his critique of strong AI…the Chomsky Hiearchy is part of every compiler design course…his conjecture on the origin of human language(well supported by evolutionary biology and theoretical genetics research)..Chomsky’s critique of IQ testing is also very interesting….

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  19. His expression “pathetic little man” pisses me off more than the rest of his senseless blather, himself being the epitome of a “pathetic little man” devoid of any insight or wisdom.

    These are perplexing signs of the times when such fools and charlatans as this jerk, Coates, etc, are regarded as intellectual giants and voices to be revered.

    Authenticjazzman ” Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro Jazz artist.

  20. wayfarer says:

    An example of contemporary America’s self-serving-left neo-political-dissident.

    Greg Morelli owns “Max’s Jewish Deli” in Highland Park, Illinois.

    He had something to say concerning the recent mass murder in Las Vegas, Nevada.

    Morelli said: “Soon as I heard it was country music, I felt relief. White people shooting white people isn’t terror, it’s community outreach.”

    Ironically, he operates his small business in an affluent community that’s composed of 91% white Americans, and where the median income for families is about \$117,235 per year.


    • Replies: @Z-man
  21. Joe Hide says:

    I’ve always had a visceral feeling of disgust towards Norm Chomsky. You ever been around someone like that? You don’t want to analysis or explain why, you just want to het away?

  22. Altai says:

    Nothing does more to damage to the interests of runaway Capital than restricting immigration labour supply and creating a more homogeneous politi that has a greater sense of ownership of the nation. Nothing solidifies neo-liberalism like mass migration. Brazil will never be Denmark. Icelanders young and old, mothers with their small children were able to assemble and demand justice, they actually got it and a few of the bankers were jailed because they were a highly cohesive, homogeneous community with a sense of ownership of their nation. (For a little while anyway, mass pressure from the US and other governments to do away with any unpleasant examples lead to appallingly early releases)

    There is nothing else to discuss at this point. Tax rates and regulations can be changed and will be changed back and forth. If Chomsky wants to play pretend that it’s 1968 that’s his business, but if he has himself fallen so deep into the very elitist narratives he professes to challenge and advocate essentially open borders (A position even the likes of Sanders not too long ago were very much aware was the greatest threat to reducing inequality and social democracy.) for socialism, there is no hope. Sadly Chomsky seems to relish the idea of ethnic cleansing of whites in opposition to everything he claimed he stood for for decades. In doing so, for (((no apparent reason))), he simply becomes another alt-right meme.

  23. anonymous • Disclaimer says:


    most dangerous developments under Trump trace back to Obama initiatives —

    There’s a continuity in American policies that transcend whatever administration happens to be in office. This is particularly true in foreign policy. The US has been expansionist and interventionist since 1898 and continues on this track which inevitably leads to conflict with other countries who don’t care to be under the US thumb. Hence the current crop of enemies and war drum pounding. This would be the same were Clinton to have been elected. Unfortunately the mass of Americans are getting dragged along with this at increasing peril to them with no recourse available.

  24. It is so characteristic of leftists to rail against some sort of evil without comparing it to the next best alternative. There is no perfection on our mortal plane. Only a set of grey and black alternatives.

    In this case, the next best alternative was the Harpy. If she had been elected, we would now be in a shooting war with Russia in Syria due to her and your neocons having tried to establish a no-fly zone there.

    Paraphrasing Eyegor, “It could be worse. It could be raining” nukes.

  25. Chomsky’s views run to the left of my own esp. on immigration, but I agree with him that the US is now run by corporations rather than the people, and I think he is spot on when it comes to the Mideast and North Korea. Trump’s presidency so far is an abject failure and disappointment. Instead of draining the swamp, he has become a swamp creature himself. Most of those who voted for him including myself are feeling completely betrayed at this point, from immigration to foreign policy to healthcare to taxes, he’s gone completely off course. There has never been a betrayal bigger or swifter in the history of politics. Trump needs to be primary out in 2020.

    I agree wholeheartedly with Chomsky on what’s going on in the Middle East and North Korea. Trump’s animus towards Iran is driven completely by his loyalty to Israel courtesy of all the Jews and neocons running amok in his admin, starting with his son-in-law and “senior advisor” Jared Kushner. I was totally appalled that he wanted to lift the ban imposed by Obama and sell the most sophisticated weapons to Saudi Arabia. Congress led by Rand Paul was going to block the sale, I don’t know what became of that. Trump’s buffoonery on foreign policy is making the world more dangerous rather than safer. His illegal war on the ground in Syria alone should get him impeached. How many more wars is the US going to fight on behalf of Israel?

    Bill Clinton may have been America’s first black president, Trump is America’s first Jewish president.

    • Replies: @Wade
  26. Durruti says:

    Sad Lack of Detail

    Senator ‘Socialist’ Sanders, occasionally speaks against wars, but Votes for Funding America’s Zionist Imperialist conflicts, as well as Full Funding for America’s master, the Oligarch Rothschild’s Israel. Sander’s support for \$funding\$ imperialist wars expose him for the war criminal he is – the moral equal to any Hitler, LB Johnson, Bush, or American Congress.

    Don’t take my word for it. Check/Google it out!!! The information/Truth is readily available in the Congressional Records. Sanders is no more for peace and freedom than Hitler, LB Johnson, the Killery & Bill Clinton, Obomber, Bushes, Casino Trump, the Rothschilds, Netenyahoo, or the other assorted scum Oligarchs.

    As for agent Chomsky, he began as an engaging educator, and sold his soul to the darkside. His rantings above make little sense, except to cast some confusion and waste time. He is clearly operating under orders. He has become dull/boring. He is fading away into the shadows. He is a sad sight.

    Morality and Honor and Love of Country and Restoration of the Republic is our Yellow Brick Road.

    We are the Happy Ones!

    We Have Life!

    God Bless!

    Durruti for the Anarchist Collective

    • Replies: @Moi
  27. Glad to see my favorite FBI agent is still getting published!

  28. Altai says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Noam does not support the right of return for Palestinians.

    Didn’t know that, as time goes on and their moment passes, so many of these 68ers blur together. That’s pretty poor as an avowed policy if he accepts the essentially immorality of the occupation. The same amount of time has passed to revoke their ownship of the land as has passed for it to be given to their displacers. (Ie, living memory…) It’s even worse if you consider that the bulk of the Palestinian camps are right beside the border…

    Who whom, indeed.

  29. @Altai

    You nailed it…Chomsky is aiding and abetting the CAPITALIST PIG CLASS.

    Welcome to Hindu-Jamaican POTUS Kamala Harris and her vicious arrogant spoiled Hindu Supremacist AG Preet Bharara who will be going after the Alt Right-White Nationalists….

    Larger question for everyone here:Will you consent to being governed by Hindu-Jamaican POTUS Kamala Harris and her highly RACIALIZED AG Preet Bharara…We have lost our Nation of birth to the Hindu……How do you feel about this?

  30. fnn says:

    All you have to know about Chomsky is that he states that AIPAC is just another lobby and all the crimes of the Zionist state are a result of its being a colony of the [WASP] American empire.

  31. @War for Blair Mountain

    I’m trained in linguistics. No one in the field takes Chomsky seriously any more. Like Jonas Salk he didn’t invent or create anything new, just popularized the work of other people.

    I suggest you do further reading in linguistics using sources from the 1990’s and beyond. You’ll find that his name rarely comes up, except as a footnote.

  32. escobar says:

    [Use a single Handle or Anonymous/Anon. Otherwise, your comments may get trashed.]

    Johnny One-notes: Oy, oy, the Jews are our misfortune, oy, oy, but they got so much power, oy, oy.
    So go form a posse and make America judenrein.
    Then America can be great again.
    Not up to playing John Wayne?

  33. “In this light, there is little surprise in the victory of a billionaire TV star with substantial media backing: direct backing from the leading cable channel, Rupert Murdoch’s Fox, and from highly influential right-wing talk radio; indirect but lavish backing from the rest of the major media, which was entranced by Trump’s antics and the advertising revenue that poured in”

    So “Chumpski” is saying that media backs Trump while media is at the same time denigrating and laughing at Trump?

    Maybe he would like us to vote for his “Landsman” Bernie?

    “In addition to his 10 books with Noam Chomsky, his works include books with Tariq Ali, Howard Zinn, Edward Said, Arundhati Roy, and Richard Wolff. He lives in Boulder, Colorado”

    Sounds like Abraham’s sons Ishmael and Isaac are teaming up. Now we’re in real big trouble.

    “It is rather startling to hear a conservative German chancellor, Angela Merkel, lecturing her U.S. counterpart on human rights, and taking the lead, at least for a time, in confronting the refugee issue, Europe’s deep moral crisis”

    Noam is a traitor to White people.

  34. @Johnny Smoggins

    Your full of shit…seriously.

    Minimalist Syntax may turn out to be wrong…but it will be wrong for deep-nontrivial reasons…and something will be learned. The Minimalist Syntax Research Program isn’t going to fade away anytime soon, for it is academically entrenched in Universities in the US and around the World. There is a lot of serious discussion about the Minimalist Syntax Program on Reddit and Quora…pros and cons…

  35. Dane22 says:

    What critical, intelligent human’s eyes don’t immediately gloss over when an article author can’t repress his emotional impulse for playground insults in the first paragraph of the article? What possible weight or value could the rest of the article be interpreted to hold other than as self-comfort to the author’s emotional fire? The author certainly can’t ask readers to invest their time after such an opening.

  36. @RebelWriter

    I’ll have to come back to this later. This is a bit too much hyperbole, and of the ridiculous sort at that, for this early in the morning.

    The first handful of paragraphs reveal it to be meaningless intellectualized gibberish. All those words, a storm of words, that mean absolutely nothing. America is completely, utterly undone. The jackals swarm the carcass; the Israelists corral the slaves.

    It will be interesting to see if the millions of Chinese illegals will, over a span of perhaps 20 years?, successfully combat Israelist control. Makes me cackle with sardonic laughter to note that Chinese illegals are the last best hope of white America — if only because they treat their slaves just a little bit — a teensy bit — better than Israelists treat the goyim.

  37. @War for Blair Mountain

    Nope, he is correct. Might you be a bit out of touch?

  38. The piece is okay, the only problem: what justifies such a profound contempt for the working class rebellion, manifested in the 2016 election? That’s fucking appalling.

  39. Hat tip to Noam Chomsky for alerting me to the Mohawk Valley Plan. I have Utica NY roots. I know something about the Labor and Economic History of Utica…Utica wasn’t always an armpit.

    If the Mohawk Valley Plan was true…it wouldn’t shock me. The Cold War anti-commie crusade was always about attacking and destroying organized White Labor in the US. And there is direct road from the anti-labor-union busting crudade of the early 19th century….up to WW2….to the passage of the 1965 Nonwhite Legal Immigrant Increase Act and onto the election of the nosepicking-narcissistic -homosexual-Kenyan Foreigner POTUS in 2008….to the slaughter of White Republican Party Voters in Las Vegas Sunday Night by a White Liberal Democratic Party Voter who finally found a racial identity after banging a Phillipino Muslim Slut from Mindinao with an ISIS connection….

  40. Dane22 says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    While I revile Chomsky’s politics, he is largely responsible for advancing the (correct) theory that there is a biologically innate language function of the human brain (say, as opposed to the ape brain).

    This truth is directly related to other anti-blank slate theories of the brain, and thus to Right Wing politics.

    The opposing theories are essentially blank slate theories.

    Saying that no one takes Chomsky seriously anymore is ridiculous.

    The broader language community does not fully accept the (theoretically isolated) blank slate theories. A synthesis of the opposing theories is the consensus. If no one took Chomsky seriously anymore, then the blank slate theories would be accepted in isolation from biological determinism.

    Of course, I am speaking in regard to the broader linguistics community, as well as the (more serious) neurobiology community, outside of any selected idiosyncratic ultra-liberal linguistics departments who may be prone to declaring their “accepted truth of serious linguists” as such (a tired pattern for ultra-liberal cells).

    Chomsky’s essential theory is undeniably correct; with an emphasis on “undeniable” as demonstrated by the liberal academics who would like nothing better but to accept the blank slate theories in isolation of Chomsky but cannot, except on the fringe, due to the evidence.

    • Disagree: Che Guava
    • Replies: @Che Guava
    , @CanSpeccy
    , @Kyle
  41. @TheOldOne

    Ron Unz:

    Why is this leftist garbage posted here? What is the point?

    The point is to keep you informed. Duh.

    Perhaps you could apply somewhere for a post as Censor Supreme?

  42. Che Guava says:

    Chompsky is a little like Freud.

    His vaunted intellectual accomplishment ‘generative grammar’ is totally debunked.

    As with Freud in psychiatry, Chompsky on linguistics has no value.

    Odd that their respective homes are nnw only in destructive currents, Freud in parts of post-modernism, Chompsky as neo-anarchist .

    It is all bs.

    • Agree: John Jeremiah Smith
  43. utu says:

    Now, while attention is focused on Trump’s latest mad doings, the Ryan gang and the executive branch are ramming through legislation and orders that undermine workers’ rights, cripple consumer protections, and severely harm rural communities.

    I think this a pretty accurate description. If Pence were a president we would get pretty much the same but he would not be in the focal point and thus people could concentrate more on what Ryan gang was doing.

  44. That’s right…

    The big debate in syntax research is which version of phase structure syntax is the correct one for theoretical understanding human syntax…Chomsky is not even putting forward a theory of human syntax…but rather developing a pre-theoretical framework that would allow for the emergence of a theory of syntax that would enable predictions and scientific questions about human syntax to made.

    As see it…and I could be totally wrong about this…what’s going on in human syntax research in some interesting ways is very similar to-parallel to research in compiler design.

    MY Comments directed to Dane22…

  45. polaco says:

    And Trump’s victory was Grand, Chomsky’s pipe dreams notwithstanding. He won the popular vote in every state except California, where voting fraud is highly likely. Sanders was cheated out of his primary victory there by Clinton. When linguist Daniel Everett challenged Chomsky’s universal grammar theories, when he had found a tribe called Piraha in the Amazon that only knew and used the present tense, the pathetic Chomsky and his acolytes used their full influence in academia and politics, enlisting even the help of the Brazilian government to fight and suppress his findings.

  46. utu says:

    But there is more to it than that. Iran cannot be forgiven for overthrowing the dictator installed by Washington in a military coup in 1953

    This is interesting that Chomsky attributes the long term memory as the irrational motive explaining the attitude and actions of the US with respect to Iran. Countries act because they can’t forgive something what happened 60 years ago is clearly a sign of irrational behavior. Would it be OK to bring up the Book of Esther and use it as a factor in Jewish and Israel obsession with Iran? Are Jews and Israel motivated by what happened 2500 years ago? To answer this the 1979 Islamic Revolution in Iran needs to be revisited. It is possible that it was the first successful use of weaponized Islamic fundamentalist against a secular state in the Middle East? It happened few years before the Yinon Plan became publicly known but it could have peen a part of it. Iran was on very friendly terms with the US and Israel? The only way to turn it into the enemy was to give it to Islamic fundamentalists and turn it into the pariah state that could be vilified to no end. And most importantly it was hoped that industrialization and modernization under the Shah would be stopped. It is better to have weak and hostile Iran than friendly but strong. I know, we do not have a proof that Israel was behind the Islamic Revolution in Iran.

    • Replies: @alexander
    , @Wizard of Oz
  47. Che Guava says:

    You are to deserving the direct reply:You have been subject to brain-washing,

    Also not to differentiate between ‘language’ and ‘linguistics’, so you are a bit fake and a bit stupid.

  48. @Che Guava

    Oh shut the fuck up will you please…Dane22 is making a general educated observation that is evidentially quite reasonable..

    Some people just can’t get over the public beating that Noam administered to BF Skinner…..get over it!!!

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  49. Z-man says:
    @joe webb

    You might be right about ‘Jews come first’ to him but I remembered him being less than a full bore Zionist as I checked and paste from Wiki; “As a result of his criticisms of Israel, Chomsky was barred from entering Israel in 2010.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  50. bjondo says:

    The Noam: The U.S. controls Israel; israel a hired gun for DC Wasps.
    The Noam: Get it out of your mind. this war (iraq 2003) is for oil not for israel.
    The Noam: Like Norm finklestein, I believe the Palestinians should not return to Palestine. Pointless. they should make themselves at home elsewhere and leave the Jews alone. Very sensible.

    I am The Noam
    Hear me

    Barsamiam is The Noam’s loyal puppy.

    Arf Arf

  51. Z-man says:

    Hope this mongrel fag Morelli gets death threats. At least have his Deli ransacked!!

    • Replies: @wayfarer
    , @wayfarer
  52. @polaco

    Yes…but Noam’s critique of Trump is way more principled than the old farting hairy Lesbian who lost to Trump on Nov 8 2016…..give the Old Jewish Anarchist his due…

    Trump is most definitely a spoiled brat sociopath….and his MAGA!!! jobs program consists of using Working Class Native Born White Teenage Christian Males as cannon fodder for Donald’s precious Jewish only Israel…

    Interesting…Chomsky was very much influenced by Pierce…as was Bertrand Russell….I drove past Pierce’s home in Port Jervis in August…down the the road from Tom Quick’s restaurant…that TOM QUICK….and it’s my favorite poem….No White Racial Guilt here….

  53. Che Guava says:

    Chompsky is beneficiary of tribe,as for IQ and perception, and.I would guessing mine tto be much higher, but i would guess that Chompsky, when, tested when younger, would be luckly to making 110, perhaps 120, if that.

    Still he is having a very privileged position, partly from simply being Jewish..

  54. c matt says:

    Or the accusation that Obama had wiretapped Trump Tower?

    Accusation? Why does anyone still listen to the Gnome?

  55. Before I actually read this, let me say that I love having a single site where I can read Chomsky, Buchanan, Sailer, and Giraldi, without wading through the screeds of SJW and neocons.

    • Agree: Che Guava
  56. wayfarer says:

    I called the deli restaurant, inquiring about their “community outreach” du jour? Sadly, the gentleman who answered the phone, wasn’t too pleased by this question. I got the impression that I wasn’t the only person today asking about the deli’s “community outreach” du jour.

    Anyway, we had a colorful exchange of words along the line of conflicting points-of-view. He offered me a complementary blue-pill, mentioning something to the effect that the first one would be free. I politely passed on the offer, stating that I was in fact a red-pill aficionado

    I offered him a recent update on the Mandalay Resort and Casino, Las Vegas shootings. Hoping to inform him that there’s now evidence of another shooter on the fourth floor, as well as the thirty-second floor. Something the MSM with their “official story” isn’t reporting on. But he wasn’t buying anything except the “official story.”

    I tried to expand his mind with a few of my own false-flag theories, including some 9/11 truth and even the possibility that scopolamine may have been employed at the Mandalay that fateful evening. But unfortunately at this point I sensed he was becoming a bit unglued, so I wished him happy trails, a beautiful day, and said adios.

    • Replies: @Hu Mi Yu
  57. yeah says:

    Chomsky was one of the senior gatekeepers – perhaps the gatekeeper-in-chief on the left side – for the establishment for a long, long time. His speciality is to criticize the establishment in harsh and often persuasive terms, but taking care never to hit where it can have meaningful effect. He builds up strong anti-establishment briefs but then slips in some very potent arguments that the powers that be want to be slipped into public minds.

    In this interview-talk he is not really at his best, resorting to run of the mill innuendos and ad hominem attacks on Trump. It doesn’t take much to rip this piece apart, but here are some examples:

    “At one level, Trump’s antics ensure that attention is focused on him, and it makes little difference how”. Note the massive ad hominem attack carried in but one word, namely, “antics”. Then note “ensure that attention is focused on him”. That completely turns over on its head the truth that the media have saturated us with “Trump this” and “Trump that” propaganda. The victim gets painted as the perpetrator by this ploy. Clever, but Chomsky has been cleverer and more subtle in the past.

    “The accusation that Obama had wiretapped Trump Tower”. “Accusation” or “conceded and acknowledged” point? Somebody else (c matt, thank you) already caught out this one.

    “Out of the spotlight, the most savage fringe of the Republican Party is carefully advancing policies designed to enrich their true constituency”. Sorry, Noam, you don’t expect us to swallow that marble. The truth is that both out of and in the spotlight all that the Republican Party has been doing is to somehow collar Trump – with an obstinacy and perseverance rarely seen before.

    There are at least five more instances where Chomsky’s weasel tricks show through, but let us move on. Isn’t it amazing how Chomsky, who built his reputation on an anti-war platform, never notices Trump’s original pro-peace, anti-intervention stance? Not a word on that from Chomsky. If there is a key to understanding Trump and his Presidency it is simply this: what (forces and people) caused a complete abandonment of Trump’s election-time promises on matters of war and peace? It is the job of the gatekeeper to deflect questions such as this before they have gained momentum. That is Chomsky for you!

    • Replies: @Rurik
  58. Svigor says:

    Remember folks; the MotU are 35% Jewish, and Zionism is the order of the day in the USA, but these things have nothing to do with each other.

    Somebody: Somebody here (a different somebody, not you 🙂 ) recently referred to how Chomsky turned into a screeching autist in his piece responding to Mearsheimer and Walt. That intrigued me, so I hunted it down and read it. I didn’t see any autistic screeching, but I did see a lot of mediocre writing and shitty logic.

  59. alexander says:

    I agree with you ,Utu

    Chomsky misses the mark on Iran completely (perhaps deliberately so)

    I think the antagonism towards Iran, emanating from Washington today, stems from Iran’s overwhelming support for the Palestinian cause, and its contempt for what it refers to as the “Zionist Entity” ….or what we refer to as “Israel”.

    Iran forms the last and most powerful”link” in the chain of “Shia Crescent nations” that were all unanimously supportive of Palestine and the rights of Palestinians over the rights of Israel.
    Iran was dismissive (as were the rest), to the point of contempt, of the legitimacy of the State of Israel .

    None of the “Shia Crescent Nations ” recognized Israel, most especially Iraq.

    Chomsky knows this…as sure as he knows the sky is blue.
    How interesting he refused to mention it.

    Nearly all the other Muslim nations ,profoundly supportive of the Palestinian cause, including Libya, ,have been decimated by US military might (in one way or another)over the last 16 years.

    Not one of these nations ever attacked the United States on 9-11, yet they have all been “destroyed”.

    A very interesting “mission creep” wouldn’t you say.?

    For some reason, Chomsky refuses to mention this too .

    Iran is the last nation standing ,which forms the “Shia Crescent”…it is also the wealthiest, the richest in oil and natural gas, and the most powerful.

    • Replies: @utu
  60. Svigor says:

    Whenever someone criticizes a politician who is even remotely “your guy” (we don’t get to be too choosy), look for who the someone offers as an alternative. If he offers none, fill in the most likely alternative. As Somebody points out, in Trump’s case, that alternative is Hillary.

    “Here, don’t eat that dirt sandwich, have this tasty shit sandwich instead.”

    No thanks, I’ll stick with my dirt sandwich.

  61. Ah Chomsky, the og big brain niBBa

  62. Rurik says:

    Trump’s election-time promises on matters of war and peace? It is the job of the gatekeeper to deflect questions such as this before they have gained momentum. That is Chomsky for you!

    he pretends like two jets can make three buildings disintegrate

    he’s a shill and a liar for the regime

    I didn’t waste my time reading his bullshit

  63. Wally says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Chomsky also supports strict Israeli immigration laws which specify JEWS ONLY, while he demands massive 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe.

    He just another double-speaking, highly over rated (aren’t they all), crude Zionist hack.

  64. @utu

    You say “no proof” but have you any evidence at all?

    • Replies: @utu
  65. Wally says:
    @Michael Kenny

    You mean the unelected EU Parliament, the neo-Marxist state that is crumbling?

    Mapping Europe’s Secessionist Movements

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  66. Anonymous [AKA "Anyone"] says:

    Search on YouTube . ‘ Trump Is A Zionist Shill ‘

  67. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    How is the EU parliament “unelected”?

    • Replies: @Wally
  68. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    No he doesn’t.

    • Replies: @Wally
  69. utu says:
    @Wizard of Oz–Ruhollah_Khomeini_conspiracy_theory
    A number of observers, including the Shah, have written of rumours and allegations that the government of the United Kingdom has secretly supported “mullahs” (Shia clerics) in recent Iranian history, and in particular the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in his successful overthrow of Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi in the Iranian Revolution of 1979. It is alleged that the 1979 Iranian revolution is a Western response to the Pahlavi’s White revolution which was intended to bring benefits to Iran and its people, but was unfavorable to the landlords, clergy and the United States and UK that feared that Iran will become independent, thus hampering their further involvement.

    Claims by Mohammad Reza Pahlavi

    “If you lift up Khomeini’s beard, you will find MADE IN ENGLAND written under his chin,”

    “I did not know it then – perhaps I did not want to know – but it is clear to me now that the Americans wanted me out. Clearly this is what the human rights advocates in the State Department wanted … What was I to make of the Administration’s sudden decision to call former Under Secretary of State George Ball to the White House as an adviser on Iran? … Ball was among those Americans who wanted to abandon me and ultimately my country.”
    On 27 January, 1979, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini – founder of Iran’s Islamic Republic, the man who called the United States “the Great Satan” – sent a secret message to Washington.
    From his home in exile outside Paris, the defiant leader of the Iranian revolution effectively offered the Carter administration a deal: Iranian military leaders listen to you, he said, but the Iranian people follow my orders.

    But the documents reveal that Khomeini was far more engaged with the US than either government has ever admitted. Far from defying America, the ayatollah courted the Carter administration, sending quiet signals that he wanted a dialogue and then portraying a potential Islamic Republic as amenable to US interests.

    One should keep in mind that weaponized Islamist were being used in Afghanistan at that time against secular government to provoke Soviet invasion. The recently shown picture to Trump of Afghani women in mini skirts was from this period.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  70. IMHO NOAM CHOMSKY should just STFU and go back to linguistics. His monotone drone make me wanna throw up AND I’ve heard people speak like this IRL as if they are the most intelligent person in the room and to just speak to anyone is beneath them.

  71. @War for Blair Mountain

    You made a grammatical error in your first sentence and I’m supposed to take your opinion on linguistics seriously after that?

  72. utu says:

    Nearly all the other Muslim nations ,profoundly supportive of the Palestinian cause, including Libya, ,have been decimated by US military might (in one way or another)over the last 16 years.

    In particular the biggest threat from the point of view of Israel is secularism. They fight it with weaponized fundamental islamist who are being nourished and created by the US and Israel since day one. Muslim Brotherhood was the first to be deployed against Nasser’s Egypt in 1950s but was defeated and was parked and regrouped in Saudi Arabia.

  73. polaco says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    A spoiled brat isn’t someone who built a fortune and has many times gotten himself up off of the canvas and went back into the fight stronger. And he’s no sociopath, sociopaths are manipulative self serving criminal personality types like Hillary or Sanders. Trump’s books, as confirmed by the polish traveler and comedian- Cejrowski, from decades ago show he’s been as consistent in his views as in his preference for Slavic women. Even if ghost written, Trump would not have had them published with contents contrary to his beliefs. Trump is brash and talks straight, hardly a sociopath.

    I’ve always regarded Chomsky as a communist ideologue, a fake intellectual, not an anarchist. He wants a government in some form to boss people around. I pity the fool. When commies have seized power, they usually shot useful idiots and true believers like him, when they were no longer needed as propagandists and became disillusioned about the new system. I’m not sure he himself believes what he says, maybe he just wants to maintain the left wing guru aura to continue to promote himself.

    I didn’t expect Trump to be able to do anything other than some cosmetic changes, like appointing a good judge. As if someone was able to take on the entrenched, deep and far reaching, decades old political and business relationships, the more than a dozen intelligence agencies, govt contractors, and all the bureaucracies at all levels underneath each department, that never change. At least he has good intentions, and would like to see the country prosper, unlike Bernie or Hillary who like some African dictators view government as a vehicle for personal enrichment. It would be naive to think he would succeed at anything, who would vote for his proposals ? The senators in the lobbyists’ pockets ? It would take maybe five two term presidencies, five consecutive Trumps, each new one with more resolve than the one before to reverse the decline of America.
    Trump knows the wars the USA is engaged in do everyone no good, but that’s the way it’s been for decades, long before he came to power, and he can’t change it for the reasons I’ve mentioned. He cannot antagonize everybody for one day he’ll have to return to running his business and will have to deal with government officials, bureaucrats and business people of all political stripes. He is doing the best he can given the situation he found himself in.

    The working class white Americans have nobody to blame but themselves. Vermont- one of the whitest states has Sanders as a senator. At least Trump has provided many good construction jobs for them over the years, where even criminal, self serving labor unions took their cut. And don’t join the military if you have a problem with being used as cannon fodder, it’s not a good place for Christians these days, maybe it’s never been after the revolutionary war. The white-hating Obama would have loved to give all the money used for wars as welfare benefits for the colored, to build government housing and schools for non-whites in white neighborhoods, but couldn’t do anything either. The forces at play are no match for any elected top official.

  74. @utu

    One gem: thank you. That link to the BBC article is fascinating. But, if I haven’t missed something I can’t see that we are left with any Israel/Palestine connection or explanation or any UK skulduggery.

    You just have to recognise that the US saw itself as having been suckered by Khomeini and unexpectedly subjected to aggressive hostility right down to the hostage crisis beginning only 9 months after the US was given reason to think it could do business with Khomeini.

    So…. just filling in some blanks without much specific knowledge…. does it not become less surprising that Iraq received encouragement to make war against Iran? And it didn’t have to be Zionists who took the view that the longer they fought and the more damage they did to each other the better, taking an amoral realpolitische view.

    • Replies: @utu
  75. @War for Blair Mountain

    The difference is that Chomsky actually has principles, unlike Ms. Clinton. Chomsky has been protesting our wars and imperialist endeavors for 5 decades now, publicly and consistently, where as Hillary has as much blood on her hands (Haiti, Honduras, the entire ME) as Pol Pot. Besides filling her bank account, she seems to be dedicated to nothing. She flip-flopped on every issue I can thinking, including the feminist shibboleth of reproductive rights. A big reason for her loss IMO.

  76. utu says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I am looking at cui bono; I am looking at the pattern of destruction meted out to secular states in the ME; I am looking at Yinon Plan; and I am willing even to look at the Book off Esther.

    No other country in the West like USA, UK or France had really anything against Iran that was American and not Soviet client state against its growth and development.

    The chief point of Islamic revolution was to turn Iran into the enemy of the West. This was accomplished. The West did not benefit. Only Israel benefited because its enemy (real or imagined) became real enemy of its friends and benefactors.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  77. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    he is largely responsible for advancing the (correct) theory that there is a biologically innate language function of the human brain

    Wow. Who’d have thunk it.

    Still, cats and dogs, rats or monkeys don’t talk even when they’re brought up with people, which sort of does suggest that humans are, you know, like, genetically different in their linguistic capacity.

  78. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Some people just can’t get over the public beating that Noam administered to BF Skinner

    BF Skinner, LOL. What an astounding achievement, showing the bloody fool Skinner to be a BF.

  79. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Chomsky. About 15 years ago when getting back into things, I read his Fateful Triangle and discovered his statement that he was a zionist. This is @ pages in the 30s or so.

    I retailed this at the time to considerable attention from the peaceniks around SF.

    In short, I claim to be the first to have outed him. I guess most folks do not read carefully, if at all of course.

    Chomsky has been an effective gate-keeper but that was then. Now the whole Israel thang is totally out of the bag , at least for the Left. The Right is split and Trump needs to keep the evangelicals who luv the jews. OK fine. That is jut the way it is.

    You are correct about C. not being a rabid type. HIs zionism, like the jewyorktimes’ has been left-wing while Likud is right wing. The Long Range thinking of jews…Euphrates to the Nile kind of thing.

    Keep the liberals cooled out…that is Chomsky and others like the great journalist Robert Fisk, whom I also outed about the same time.

    Joe Webb

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Wizard of Oz
  80. utu says:

    It was always known that he was a Zionist and that he spent time in Kibbutz and so on. But we were told that he had a different vision of Israel. And he blamed America for turning Israel into what it has become as American’s client state.

  81. wayfarer says:

    I need to admit, that was not how the actual conversation went with the deli manager. I was real angry when I placed that call. I didn’t make any threats. It’s something I refrain from doing.

    The chickensh#t shootings in Las Vegas, which have the hallmarks of a false-flag, really struck a nerve inside of me. I felt compelled to call the deli, and serve it with an equal ration of disrespect. But disrespect in the form of some truths, if that makes sense. I unloaded with some facts, which no doubt struck a nerve within them, and hopefully functioned as a wake-up call.

    • Replies: @alexander
  82. Odd, Chomsky claims that Paul Ryan is an example of an extremist republican.

    That pretty much disqualifies him as an expert on US politics. Ryan is basically a butt boy for Soros and the Democrats. He collaborates with whatever zany idea the Democrats dream up. He’s establishment as it gets.

  83. @utu

    Have you any evidence of Israeli fear of Iran while the Shah still reined, was no longer yoing and vigorous and remained a client of the US? It seems unlikely.

  84. @Anonymous

    You outed the “great journalist” Robery Fisk? As what? Links please.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  85. @polaco


    Trump has been bailed out over the years by Jared Kushner’s people.

    Trump is a sociopath who has no problem using the Native Born White American Working Class Teenage Male Population as cannon fodder for his precious Jewish only Israel…this of course makes him a traitor also.

    Working Class White Teenage Males don’t freely choose to be cannon fodder for the sociopath Donald Trump…they “freely choose” to be cannon fodder for Donald Trump while Donald Trump’s sons make mega-\$\$\$\$\$ BIZNESS deals in the ME. Military Recruiting ads are specifically-intentionally designed to manipulate desperate Working Class Native Born White American Teenage Males…with teenager brains…..

    There has been an economic draft in place for decades.

    We dodged nuclear WW3 by a hair’s breath two weeks in Syria when US Special Forces wasted a Russian General…and two Russian Colonels. Yes, I’d say that Donald Trump is a god damn sociopath.

    There is something very creepy about Donald Trump and his relationship with his daughter Ivanka….very very creepy….

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  86. @Sane Left Libertarian

    Yes…you are right. And Chomsky has been a nontrivial influence on the Alt Right….

  87. alexander says:

    Hey wayfarer,

    I watched this youtube video you posted this morning….which showed excellent footage from multiple perspectives of machine gun fire coming from the fourth floor of Mandalay Bay.

    The poster seemed like a very honest, trying to figure out what happened, kind of guy.

    He really worked the footage to get very clear views, for everyone ,of the fourth floor machine gun fire.

    I see now that Youtube has pulled his video on the grounds that Youtube does not tolerate bullying and harassment.

    What ?

    He sure didn’t seem like a bully to me..

    Did he seem like a bully to you ?

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  88. Hu Mi Yu says:

    Excellent post. I wasn’t there, but I have had feds try to rope me into sting operations several times. If somebody promises easy money by setting you up in the drugs or weapons business, just say no. And run. What they really want is evidence that can be used for blackmail, or in the worst case your carcass at a crime scene.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  89. Moi says:

    Yup, Sanders is a Zionist, through and through.

  90. wayfarer says:

    I’m absolutely shocked, alexander.

    There was no bullying whatsoever.

    An extremely thorough video analysis by an impartial expert who was utilizing the classic scientific method along with some of the best tech tools.

    It contained so much forensic crime scene evidence, a lot of very significant facts and clues that the MSM is not reporting to the public.

    Did you happen to get the youtube site handle/username?

    I did not commit the username to memory, thinking the video would be available the next day, at which time I was going to archive this particular site.

    You remember the author who was actually quite brilliant, stating “the Internet is a hoax.”

    This video removal by google/youtube along with so many other videos, seems to verify this author’s claim.

    Talk about conspiracies?

    I’m just about at my wits end with the Internet and its toxic sea of deception and disinformation.

    • Replies: @alexander
  91. Wally says:

    There is no vote allowed by all of the European citizens.

    • Replies: @Anon
  92. Wally says:

    You’re babbling again.

    No “he doesn’t” what?

    • Replies: @Anon
  93. alexander says:


    What a creepy thing for youtube to do, wayfarer.

    To censor from the internet a video showing “clear evidence” of the crime.

    Creepy, creepy, creepy.

    I cannot imagine one person (or one “jury”), anywhere, who, after viewing this footage ,would not conclude(with 99.9% certainty) there was repeated machine gun fire coming from the fourth floor.

    The poster even bent over backwards to try to determine if it was somehow a “reflection” of gunfire coming from the upper floors.

    He , showed us, in not one, but two, pull back sequences, how it was impossible to be reflections from the upper floors.

    I remember watching it and saying to myself…..”My God, he’s right.”

    It is astounding to me, that Americans have been asked to cough up nearly one trillion dollars over the last 15 years to properly solve, if not prevent, mass terror events……

    And the BEST they can do with our tax money is “censor” clear forensic evidence of the crime, from public view..

    What the heck are we doing ?

    I mean it, Wayfarer,

    What the HECK are we doing ?

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  94. wayfarer says:

    It is “creepy.”

    But then again, it’s a creepy world.

    I’ve come to view dark events of late, this way.

    There are these serial crimes (false flags) occurring.

    It’s clear a serial killer (e.g. NWO) exhibiting cold-blooded psychopathy, is on the loose.

    One cannot reason with a serial killer, one cannot rehabilitate a serial killer, one can only eliminate a serial killer.

    Until then, this particular serial killer will just continue taking innocent lives.

    On a different note, it appears block-chain technologies may one day provide our world with a digital-stake, which can be driven through the hearts of self-serving Internet gatekeepers (e.g. google/youtube, etc. ). Allowing pure truth, to finally be set free.


    • Replies: @pyrrhus
  95. Anonymous [AKA "anon20171006"] says:

    I have long been a fan of Noam Chompsky; I am particularly influenced by “Manufacturing Consent”; thus I was surprised at the number and criticality of the anti-Noam comments here.

    Unfortunately, like many things, having come to not-be-able-to-overlook the systemic inconsistencies in all forms of media, favouring one specific affiliation/collective.

    I do not know if it is true, but if it is so that Noam is against Palestinian right of return, I must reconsider much of what Noam has done/written.

    It is a tough thing to have to objectively scrutinize one’s heroes.

    from :
    There is a widely accepted belief that United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 “created” Israel, based upon an understanding that this resolution partitioned Palestine or otherwise conferred legal authority or legitimacy to the declaration of the existence of the state of Israel. However, despite its popularity, this belief has no basis in fact, as a review of the resolution’s history and examination of legal principles demonstrates incontrovertibly.

    They are gambling the world on their neurotic, socio-pathic power-mongering.
    The take over and sub-ordination of the U.S.A. is an affront to humanity.
    Anybody who supports these schemes needs to wake-up and publicly denounce them and any part in it…
    … before it’s too late.

  96. @War for Blair Mountain

    ” There is something very creepy about DT and his relationship with his daughter”

    So you are suggesting/implying that he is molesting his daughter?

    There is something very “Creepy” about the psychotic, perverse blather, you are spreading throughout these forums. You are one sick individual.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.

  97. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Noam Chomsky does not support Israel’s immigration policies. Or much of anything else about Israel.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  98. pyrrhus says:

    Hey Noam, if you want to understand how the criminal billionaires got control of the US, read the article above this one!

  99. pyrrhus says:

    Indeed, blockchain could eliminate the entire vast network of parasites preying on the financial needs of investors….Which is why they will attempt to stop it, whatever that takes.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  100. wayfarer says:

    It will be interesting to see which way the tug-of-war goes.

    One thing’s for sure the world-wide-web is at a crossroad, faced with the potential of blockchain rendering a decentralized and permissionless internet.

    A small quantum leap, for humanity?



  101. Chomsky has been at the forefront of solution-less bitch and moan commentary for what – fifty years now? And this piece doesn’t disappoint. He conveniently ignores that Trump is the only *not* bought-and-sold politician who was willing to take on the immigration issue. The Democrat machine can’t allow reduced immigration because that’s their (imagined) future voters. And the Republican’s can’t allow reduced immigration because their Chamber of Commerce donors need the cheap maids and farm hands and programmers. Only Trump was independent enough to say what the majority of the country has been thinking for years now. Even Bernie, who was originally a principled opponent of unlimited immigration due to its affect on wages, had to change his tune for the presidential primary. It’s not hard to find Bernie quotes promoting immigration reduction before the money and power got to him.

    Chomsky must hate the internet. Before that all he heard was his sycophants nodding their heads.

  102. bjondo says:

    The Noam only supports the jew state of jew. Palestinians need not apply. Nor any other. Just the Jew
    The Noam deceives so well

  103. bjondo says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    read his articles.
    brit agent

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  104. wayfarer says:
    @Hu Mi Yu

    Let’s see, yes as a matter of fact the federal government did rope me into a few of their cheap schemes,

    (1) it paid me \$460 per each 720 days of full time work, as an E-3 in the USCG;
    (2) it gave me a job as a U.S. Census Bureau enumerator, to drive my own car throughout a city, knocking on the front doors of unsuspecting and at times angry citizens’ homes;
    (3) it paid me minimum wage as a phlebotomist, to draw blood from AIDS / Hepatitis-A-B-C / psychiatric patients in a dank VAMC.

    You live and yes some are even dumb enough to learn the hard way, then you die.

    • Replies: @Hu Mi Yu
  105. wayfarer says:

    Correction on the pay rate,

    (1) it paid me \$460 per 720 hours of full time work …

  106. Hu Mi Yu says:

    Let’s see, yes as a matter of fact the federal government did rope me into a few of their cheap schemes,

    (1) it paid me \$460 per each 720 (hours) of full time work, as an E-3 in the USCG;
    (2) it gave me a job as a U.S. Census Bureau enumerator, to drive my own car throughout a city, knocking on the front doors of unsuspecting and at times angry citizens’ homes;
    (3) it paid me minimum wage as a phlebotomist, to draw blood from AIDS / Hepatitis-A-B-C / psychiatric patients in a dank VAMC.

    They paid me \$89 a month as private. Full time duty, no leave, confined to barracks the whole time. Slipped nasty drugs in my food that caused amnesia. When they let me out, they told my parents a fake story that I loved the military and I was a big hero. I couldn’t remember what happened until after they died. I just knew I hated them for their WWII flag-waving patriotism.

    Meanwhile vets in a local VA hospital were paid 25 cents an hour for their work. Minimum wage was \$1.25.

    The GI education benefits were generous in those days, and I was willing to call it even after getting some college. But when they began attempting to set me up in the drugs and weapons business, I lost my cool.

    You live and yes some are even dumb enough to learn the hard way, then you die.

    Far too many find out on the day they die.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  107. @bjondo

    I’m no Fisk fan which is why I want to know more from the person who claimed to have “outed” him. I don’t want to make a rough infrrence from reading Fisk articles and guessing his outer’s standpoint.

  108. wayfarer says:
    @Hu Mi Yu

    Ho Chi Minh, excuse me I mean Hu Mi Yu.

    Eighty-nine bucks a month!

    I don’t care if a pack of Marlboro cigarettes cost a quarter back in the day, and grunts were comped all the \$hit-on-a-shingle they could eat.

    Talk about ripoffs.

    I’m surprised half the U.S. Army wasn’t going AWOL, hopping one-way Greyhound buses to Las Vegas.

  109. Wade says:
    @Another realist

    Trump’s presidency so far is an abject failure and disappointment. Instead of draining the swamp, he has become a swamp creature himself.

    If this is true, it was also true of Obama even though Obama was elected too with great expectations. Isn’t it time we stop talking about and blaming the failed candidates and put the spot light where it needs to be: on the Shadow State? It is not just the corporations but it is the CIA/Pentagon/Media/Bureaucratic complex that keeps the whole political system in line with corporate interests.

    And he has been isolated from the public and information that my run counter to the narratives the Deep State wishes him to act on. The Three Generals are responsible for this: Mattis, Kelly and McMaster. Trump put up an admirable resistance in my view. After all he is only one man.

    Chomsky is controlled opposition. He insults JFK and 9/11 “conspiracy theorists” as Camelot Mythologizers and “amateur physicists” respectively when anyone asks him about his views on those subjects. The complete out-of-hand dismissal of anyone who even considers the possibility that cover ups were involved in those cases seems odd for someone who has held such radical views of America for all of these years. Americans, the Reagan administration, are all in need of “denazification” according to him. But he dare not criticize the CIA.

    It’s easy for snarks to criticize Trump or Obama for their failures or highly amorphous “corporate America.” It takes real balls to criticize the actual power behind the throne though and Chomsky is just not that courageous. To me he’s mostly just a snarky professor like Obama once was.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  110. @Wade

    ” Even though O was elected too with great expectations”

    Expectations of what : Transforming America into a Cuban/Venezuelan socialist pandemonia, transforming America into a PC nightmare beyond imagination?
    Transforming America into a looney-bin in which thugs like Trevon are worshiped as “Heros”.

    Just what are you trying to express other than you are still in pain because HC lost?

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro Jazz musician.

    • Replies: @Wade
  111. Kyle says:

    “A synthesis of the opposing theories is the consensus.”

    You don’t say? Incredible, unprecedented really.

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