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I’m very pleased to announce that we have now begun republishing the weekly Nation columns of Prof. Stephen Cohen of Princeton and New York University. Aside from being one of America’s most eminent Russia scholars, Prof. Cohen is also the husband of Katrina vanden Heuvel, longtime publisher of The Nation, perhaps America’s most influential left-liberal opinion publication.

It must again be emphasized: It is hard, if not impossible, to think of a more toxic allegation in American presidential history than the one leveled against candidate, and then president, Donald Trump that he “colluded” with the Kremlin in order to win the 2016 presidential election—and, still more, that Vladimir Putin’s regime, “America’s No. 1 threat,” had compromising material on Trump that made him its “puppet.” Or a more fraudulent accusation.

Even leaving aside the misperception that Russia is the primary threat to America in world affairs, no aspect of this allegation has turned out to be true, as should have been evident from the outset. Major aspects of the now infamous Steele Dossier, on which much of the allegation was based, were themselves not merely “unverified” but plainly implausible.

Was it plausible, for example, that Trump, a longtime owner and operator of international hotels, would commit an indiscreet act in a Moscow hotel that he did not own or control? Or that, as Steele also claimed, high-level Kremlin sources had fed him damning anti-Trump information even though their vigilant boss, Putin, wanted Trump to win the election? Nonetheless, the American mainstream media and other important elements of the US political establishment relied on Steele’s allegations for nearly three years, even heroizing him—and some still do, explicitly or implicitly.

Not surprisingly, former special counsel Robert Mueller found no evidence of “collusion” between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. No credible evidence has been produced that Russia’s “interference” affected the result of the 2016 presidential election in any significant way. Nor was Russian “meddling” in the election anything akin to a “digital Pearl Harbor,” as widely asserted, and it was certainly far less and less intrusive than President Bill Clinton’s political and financial “interference” undertaken to assure the reelection of Russian President Boris Yeltsin in 1996.

Nonetheless, Russiagate’s core allegation persists, like a legend, in American political life—in media commentary, in financial solicitations by some Democratic candidates for Congress, and, as is clear from my own discussions, in the minds of otherwise well-informed people. The only way to dispel, to excoriate, such a legend is to learn and expose how it began—by whom, when, and why.

Officially, at least in the FBI’s version, its operation “Crossfire Hurricane,” the counterintelligence investigation of the Trump campaign that began in mid-2016 was due to suspicious remarks made to visitors by a young and lowly Trump aide, George Papadopoulos. This too is not believable, as I pointed out previously. Most of those visitors themselves had ties to Western intelligence agencies. That is, the young Trump aide was being enticed, possibly entrapped, as part of a larger intelligence operation against Trump. (Papadopoulos wasn’t the only Trump associate targeted, Carter Page being another.)

But the question remains: Why did Western intelligence agencies, prompted, it seems clear, by US ones, seek to undermine Trump’s presidential campaign? A reflexive answer might be because candidate Trump promised to “cooperate with Russia,” to pursue a pro-détente foreign policy, but this was hardly a startling, still less subversive, advocacy by a would-be Republican president. All of the major pro-détente episodes in the 20th century had been initiated by Republican presidents: Eisenhower, Nixon, and Reagan.

So, again, what was it about Trump that so spooked the spooks so far off their rightful reservation and so intrusively into American presidential politics? Investigations being overseen by Attorney General William Barr may provide answers—or not. Barr has already leveled procedural charges against James Comey, head of the FBI under President Obama and briefly under President Trump, but the repeatedly hapless Comey seems incapable of having initiated such an audacious operation against a presidential candidate, still less a president-elect. As I have long suggested, John Brennan and James Clapper, head of the CIA and Office of National Intelligence under Obama respectively, are the more likely culprits. The FBI is no longer the fearsome organization it once was and thus not hard to investigate, as Barr has already shown. The others, particularly the CIA, are a different matter, and Barr has suggested they are resisting. To investigate them, particularly the CIA, it seems, he has brought in a veteran prosecutor-investigator, John Durham.

Which raises other questions. Are Barr and Durham, whose own careers include associations with US intelligence agencies, determined to uncover the truth about the origins of Russiagate? And can they really do so fully, given the resistance already apparent? Even if so, will Barr make public their findings, however damning of the intelligence agencies they may be, or will he classify them? And if the latter, will President Trump use his authority to declassify the findings as the 2020 presidential election approaches in order to discredit the role of Obama’s presidency and its would-be heirs?

Equally important perhaps, how will mainstream media treat the Barr-Durham investigation and its findings? Having driven the Russiagate narrative for so long and so misleadingly—and with liberals perhaps finding themselves in the incongruous position of defending rogue intelligence agencies—will they credit or seek to discredit the findings?

It is true, of course, that Barr and Durham, as Trump appointees, are not the ideal investigators of Intel misdeeds in the Russiagate saga. Much better would be a truly bipartisan, independent investigation based in the Senate, as was the Church Committee of the mid-1970s, which exposed and reformed (it thought at the time) serious abuses by US intelligence agencies. That would require, however, a sizable core of nonpartisan, honorable, and courageous senators of both parties, who thus far seem to be lacking.

There are also, however, the ongoing and upcoming Democratic presidential debates. First and foremost, Russiagate is about the present and future of the American political system, not about Russia. (Indeed, as I have repeatedly argued, there is very little, if any, Russia in Russiagate.) At every “debate” or comparable forum, all of the Democratic candidates should be asked about this grave threat to American democracy—what they think about what happened and would do about it if elected president. Consider it health care for our democracy.

Stephen F. Cohen is a professor emeritus of Russian studies and politics at New York University and Princeton University. A Nation contributing editor, his most recent book War With Russia? From Putin & Ukraine to Trump & Russiagate is available in paperback and in an ebook edition. His weekly conversations with the host of The John Batchelor Show, now in their sixth year, are available at www.thenation.com.

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  1. Mikhail says: • Website

    I’m very pleased to announce that we have now begun republishing the weekly Nation columns of Prof. Stephen Cohen of Princeton and New York University.

    Not enough quality non-reposted commentary and/or republishing from the quality super censored eh?

  2. geokat62 says:

    … no aspect of this allegation has turned out to be true, as should have been evident from the outset.

    But, but, but Corvy says we shouldn’t rush to judgment. That it may still turn out to be true. Who are we to believe… the most renowned expert on Russian affairs or a troll on UR? Decisions, decisions!

    • Replies: @Antares
    , @Rabbitnexus
    , @Svigor
  3. Antares says:

    “Why did Western intelligence agencies, prompted, it seems clear, by US ones, seek to undermine Trump’s presidential campaign?”

    That is an assumption. Most people think that the US elite wanted Hillary Clinton to win. She is however uncontrollable because of traumas caused by marriage to Bill Clinton and at the same time very hard to attack because of her staunch supporters and her many powerful connections. More likely is that Trump had to be guided or positioned in the way that agencies find useful as an easier and more certain way to hold control over the president than would have been possible with Clinton at the helm. Trump was the gullible candidate of the two. As a wannabee jew (at least) he doesn’t know anything about geopolitics and is therefore moldable and at the same time absolutely loyal to their causes. He was, and still is, the perfect candidate to them.

  4. Antares says:
    @geokat62

    “That it may still turn out to be true. Who are we to believe… the most renowned expert on Russian affairs or a troll on UR? Decisions, decisions!”

    Nonsense. His innocence was clear from day one. It took me 15 minutes to find out. There is no bigger shame for American reporters than that they have written about this topic for two and a half year. There are not really reporters but complete idiots. Not worth a penny of their salary. Actually, they should pay for their work, with a lot of prison time.

  5. geokat62 says:
    @Antares

    Hi, Antares.

    I agree completely with your post. My comment was written in a sarcastic tone for the benefit of one of Unz’s most despised trolls, Corvinus.

  6. Truth3 says:

    The Elephant in the room is Israeli spying on the USA and the Jewish manipulation of our political system.

    Russian interference is in the order of magnitude of a fruit-fly in comparison.

    Jews. The only real problem.

    • Agree: neutral
    • Replies: @Realist
    , @jack daniels
  7. Dan Hayes says:

    Ron,

    Publishing this article and your introduction is a twofer: It introduces your readers to a very knowledgeable and principled historian / political scientist (Prof Steve Cohen and not his egregious Tennessee politico namesake), as well as to a very high-class radio program (John Batchelor Show).

    And who can now say that nothing good has ever come out of The Nation magazine!

    • Replies: @Saggy
  8. Stephen Cohen writes with a feeling of someone who was never listened to with regard to the Russia questions? Nobody can deny that Trump had a different relationship with Russia than any other previous presidential candidate. If you think that ‘well that’s wonderful, what a good thing ‘ by all means be my guest. I’m sure Cohen does. Putin too.

    • Disagree: Desert Fox
    • Troll: Steve in Greensboro
    • Replies: @Ano4
    , @Herald
    , @ploni almoni
  9. niceland says:

    Russiagate was done to block Trump from improving relations with Russia and put him in his place. Following propaganda campaign about Russian troll farms, election meddling and so forth is probably part of the same operation. It was easy, the soil in the U.S. (and Europe elites) was fertile and it didn’t take much to get this going. Most of the journalist pushing this stuff probably believe it themselves.

    For some reason it seems the powers that be would rather have Russia cooperating with China than the west. I wonder how this will turn out in the future for the west? Similar story is Iran who is making enormous deal with China with hundreds of billions of Chinese investments in Iran. Great Job by the U.S. administration to force Iran with it’s enormous oil and gas reserves into China circle of influence!

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Gyre07
  10. @geokat62

    How anyone could have believed any of it still astonishes me.

    • Replies: @Robwin
    , @Jeff Davis
  11. JoannF says:

    Who cares. All of this is a mix between charade and ergotherapy.
    Kabuki for the semiconscious parts of the public, and “you are somehow important” for the people the so-called “agencies” employ, so they carry on carrying on till full control is established. The process may not be endangered, so we keep playing this game even if we run out of original ideas. Yawn.

    All the world’s a stage, and it’s time that humans were 100% computer-controlled, to ease the planetary pain – so this idiotic routine can finally be given up as the waste of energy it always was – but yeah, while that’s not yet the case we can of course keep asking nonentities like Democrat Presidential Candidates’ opinions about entirely irrelevant nonissues. There’s even Muslims among them ! How cool is that.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
  12. Consider it health care for our democracy.

    A truly ridiculous statement. Democracy is the reason the Republic of the USA has been in this mess of jewish corruption and has been usurped by criminals. (Social) Democracy is corruption and a mental health disease. People think they have a say by giving their voices away. delegate their power to criminals, in the naive assumption, they would solve the problems of the “voters”. They will not do that, they only serve themselves and power.

  13. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    • Replies: @neutral
  14. renfro says:

    Professor,

    I think I understand you since I have read several of your articles in the past.
    And I agree with you about Russia. I may have gone further even because I have argued that we should have made Russia a US ally immediately after WWII.
    And as much as I dislike Trump he is right about is establishing relations with Russia.
    That said I think continuing the Russia obsession ,who did what, why ,which is now nothing but a political food fight between the Dems and Repubs should end.

    You said in a interview…’”You and I have to ask a subversive question: are there really three branches of government, or is there a fourth branch of government – these intel services?”
    And stated that a military alliance Obama had tried to establish with Putin against terrorism was “sabotaged by the Department of Defense and its allies in the intelligence services.”
    My question there is why did the intelligence agencies kill the cooperation on terrorist…..did they not want to share US intel with Russia ….that would be my guess.

    You also quoted Kissinger as saying …..”The demonization of Putin is not a policy. It’s an alibi for not having a policy.’ But Kissinger and Nixon were sabotaged by congress with the Jackson-Vanik Amendment,not US intelligence.And Jewish pressure on congress because they insisted a more favorable policy for jewish emigration be inserted. in the Russian agreement . Russia refused to accomdate that saying it intefered with their right to their own nation policies. So the Nixon deal fell apart also.

    The DOD sabotaging outreach to Russia can be explained I guess. Like a plumber thinking a wrench is the tool solution to any job, some military Commanders naturally think the use of the military is the solution for the job. That and seeing to it their careers don’t end for lacks of jobs.

    But the intel agencies can’t be explained that simply. What is their motive ? Running out of people to spy on? Hardly. And since they operate or are suppose to by direction from the WH and the heads of the CIA and FBI and NSA can change with every new president….where does the continuity of the Get Russia fixation originate?

    And then you have congress . Are they all brainwashed too or fed by Neo think tanks like the FDD the, Foundation for Defense of Democracies, who pushes military responses to Russia such as their constant ” U.S. Must Respond to Russian Escalations Against Ukraine” and of course on Iran also. The FDD has testified 17 times in 18 months before congress as “experts”. It is funded privately by 6 people, Bernard Marcus, Paul Singer, Sheldon Adelson , Abramson Foundation, and Rochelle Becker. All known as militant Zionist for Israel, as is all of FDD staff. Why is congress not calling on the CIA for expert testimony on Russia? That is after all their job

    What about the media and press, are they fed also by congress or who for the Get Russia meme? Or is the press as well as think tanks also feeding congress….so they are a echo chamber.
    Is Russia just the flavor de jour for the century? It would seem odd to me if the fear Russia show is driven by the publics interest since your average citizen has a ‘move on’ 60 second attention span and no one under 70 grew up with ‘hide under your desk’ Russian bombing drills.

    I cant go along with the US Intelligence being the sole or powerful source behind Anti Russia.
    But if you can pull it all together and show me the Intelligence institutions . not just some agents, motive for it, how it continues from adm to adm, CIA leader to CIA leader , how it prevents both the WH and congress , media and press from all objectivity and rationality on the benefits of relations with Russia I would be very interested .

    I am extremely leery of destroying our intelligence agencies or trust in them because the void will be filled by even more “foreign intelligence sources ” from those who don’t necessarily have US interest but seek to use the US instead…and by more ‘Think Tank experts’ who also have their own interest and ideologies ,not ones good for the US’s.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  15. polistra says: • Website

    Investigations are a waste of time. All investigations run by government are coverups. The sole purpose of every investigation is to discard the truth.

    Investigations run by independent people may sometimes reach valid conclusions, but government will ignore them.

  16. … less intrusive than President Bill Clinton’s political and financial “interference” undertaken to assure the reelection of Russian President Boris Yeltsin in 1996.

    And even less intrusive still as the Clinton (is there really any need to ask which?) campaign receiving bags of cash from Chinese nationals.

    Investigations being overseen by Attorney General William Barr may provide answers—or not.

    My money is on ‘or not.’ Call it professional courtesy among the Criminal Elite.

  17. dearieme says:

    Someone told me yesterday that at least it was certain that Russia had spent billions (I think she said “billions”) on Facebook and the like to successfully swing voters from La Clinton.

    May I take it that this claim is wildly inaccurate?

  18. Realist says:
    @Truth3

    Jews. The only real problem.

    Not all Jews…Steven F. Cohen and Ron Unz come to mind and there are plenty more.

    • Replies: @DaveE
    , @Svevlad
    , @Wally
  19. Realist says:
    @niceland

    For some reason it seems the powers that be would rather have Russia cooperating with China than the west.

    The Deep State has power, that doesn’t mean they are intelligent.

    • Agree: Richard B
    • Replies: @getaclue
  20. Svigor says:
    @geokat62

    The kvestion about Corvanus isn’t what he says, but why. At first blush he’s just another Jevvish hasbara troll, but then one butts up against his obvious stupidity, which seems inconsistent. Curiouser and curiouser.

    The real question is why such an obvious moron has devoted himself to the Sisyphusian task of convincing anyone of anything…

  21. Svigor says:

    Love that banner, btw; faggot=traitor, I guess.

  22. Ano4 says:
    @Mark James

    The biggest Transnational Corporations, forming the core of the postmodern predatory capitalism, thrived in an economy in which:
    1) Raw materials and energy are collected at the lowest price in the third world and the former Eastern European / Soviet republics that have been reduced to a third world status.
    2) These materials and energy were transferred to China / East Asia for transforming into goods marketable to the Global (mostly Western or thoroughly westernized) consumers.
    3) The Global (mostly Western) banks and financial institutions made a rip-off of crediting the overconsumption by the debt-burdened (Developed countries / Western) middle class.
    4) The Transnational Corporations accumulated profits and distributed them to the shareholders.
    5) The shareholders (Global Elite) lived a life of utter luxury and could allow themselves any perks and whims that money could buy.

    Problem 1) China no longer wants to be just a part of the process, it wants to become the core of the process and take a part of the market from the Transnational Corporations and a part of the profit of the Global Elite.

    Problem 2) Russian Elites no longer want to be second-class billionaires accepted into Global Elite with a smirking condescension.

    Problem 3) Russia is China’s neighbor.

    Problem 4) If working together, Russia and China could undermine the whole postmodern Global Capitalism (by attacking pétrodollar).

    Problem 5) Together, Russia and China cannot be bludgeoned back into their servile status in the postmodern World Economy.

    Problem 6) The Developed countries middle class is too in debt and is unable to carry on consuming, unless the interest rates fall to (beyond) zero.

    What is the solution that a US president (or rather the part of a more US-centered Global Elite behind him) might suggest to solve the manifold crisis described above?

    Answer: make friends with Russia, take it away from China, put them into a conflict with each other and let them bleed each other out while the Global Capitalism is reformed to become even more reinforced around the Global Elite.

    That’s what Trump was supposed to achieve.

    Alas, a large part of the Global Elite disagree…

    • Replies: @Jim bob Lassiter
    , @Anon
  23. @Antares

    Couldn’t agree more. The entire “Teh liburl media hates Trump” narrative has been nothing but theater to confuse the dumb goyim. And the idea that modern “elections” would be allowed to be decided by any sort of public vote is laughable.

    Trump was hand-picked from the start.

    • Agree: Durruti
    • Replies: @follyofwar
  24. Herald says:
    @Mark James

    So you are saying that Trump had the most sensible approach to dealing with Russia, at least as a candidate, not too hard to agree with you on that.

  25. Herald says:
    @dearieme

    If you were to take it as accurate, then you must have been asleep for the past three years, but probably it was much longer in your case.

  26. Sadly, this whole ugly affair shows what the FBI is best at: RUNNING STING OPERATIONS.

    Go back and look at EVERY FBI so called terrorist arrest and you’ll find the FBI setting up and helping their victims and then arresting them with a lot of press that they foiled a terror plot.

    • Agree: Agent76
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  27. David says:
    @dearieme

    Googled that and found this from Bloomberg two years ago,

    Facebook Inc. says it found about $100,000 in ad spending connected to fake accounts likely run from Russia that aimed to stir political controversy in the U.S. ahead of last year’s presidential election.

    While the majority of the ads, run between June 2015 and May 2017, didn’t directly reference the election, they amplified “divisive social and political messages across the ideological spectrum,” Facebook said in a statement. They were connected to about 470 fake accounts and pages on the social network. The company is sharing its findings with U.S. investigators.

  28. Robwin says:
    @Rabbitnexus

    Because they wanted it to be true so badly. I recall another forum I was once active on where the anti-Trumpers spoke of the collusion story as being true long before the Mueller report; others practically salivated over what they assumed would happen as soon as the story was proven true (impeachment at a minimum).

  29. MLK says:

    Cohen has been a true Profile in Courage. The POTUS should give him the Medal of Freedom after he wins reelection. What a stark contrast with Giraldi. Who, it’s been baldly obvious for some time, belongs to Brennan.

    I only mention Giraldi here because he banned me from discussing his distraction/deflection antics in his comments section. For those of you who think he believes in free speech put that in your pipe and smoke it!

    • Troll: follyofwar
    • Replies: @DaveE
    , @Herald
  30. The main reason for the Russia collusion conspiracy theory by the bolsheviks aka demon-rats was to ruin Russia and American relations, as the demon-rats aka bolsheviks aka neocons hate Russia as Russia is saving Syria and stopping the zionist goal of total mideast destruction and domination and so Russia is trashed in the zio/US zionist controlled MSM and the zionist controlled state dept.

    Russia is the only nation in the world that has returned to Christianity and is standing against the terrorists aka AL CIADA aka ISIS and all off shoots of the same, that were created by Israel and the zio/US and zio/Britain and zio/NATO, to use as an excuse to destroy the middle east!

    Also the attack on the WTC on 911 was done by Israel and zionist traitors in the zio/US government to give the excuse to blame muslims and to thereby destroy the mideast, all for the greater Israel agenda!

    Americas greatest enemy is zionism!

    • Agree: Robjil
  31. MLK says:

    It was evident to any intelligent person paying attention after 9/11 that the USG was building a global electronic surveillance apparatus, with the US and US population seamlessly included. At the time of Snowden’s revelations I began to worry that there were no limits to what of the national interest the Commanding Heights of the Intelligence/National Security State would sacrifice to protect themselves from exposure and a reckoning.

    Was it plausible, for example, that Trump, a longtime owner and operator of international hotels, would commit an indiscreet act in a Moscow hotel that he did not own or control? Or that, as Steele also claimed, high-level Kremlin sources had fed him damning anti-Trump information even though their vigilant boss, Putin, wanted Trump to win the election?

    The dirty little secret is that there really isn’t any difference in how any foreign power, ally or adversary alike, contended with the all-hands-on-deck machinations by a seditious group of conspirators at the top of the U.S. government. They played along as a matter of self-protection.

    That explains the inexplicable — which is that if the Steele Dossier was manufactured to destroy candidate Trump, and it indisputably was, then why were its allegations so Saturday Morning cartoonish? In short, because that is all Putin/Russian Intelligence would allow. Indeed, I have my suspicions as to who there actually is a “pee tape” of — and it ain’t Trump. My guess would be Brennan, who secretly met with Kremlin officials in March, 2016.

    Yes, I know that sounds incredible but what would you do if you were Putin/Russia to protect yourself? What Russia had to protect itself against was the Obama Administration going public BEFORE the election like it did afterward. Not simply the half-assed leaks that occurred. Remember, the only reason their plot to throw the election to Hillary failed is because the content of the Steele Dossier was incredible.

  32. @Ano4

    “Problem 1) China no longer wants to be just a part of the process, it wants to become the core of the process and take a part of the market from the Transnational Corporations and a part of the profit of the Global Elite.”

    I can vouch for that based on my own experiences growing up in a small family retail and wholesale mercantile business. As a teenager in the late sixties and early seventies, I used to assist in buying decisions made at regional and NYC trade shows. We bought and re-sold domestically produced specialty consumer goods and imports, of which I will not specify the categories in this forum.

    When I started on these buying trips as a 15 y/o, the companies (both domestic manufacturers and importers in this industry) and their sales forces were disproportionately represented by NYC Happy Merchants. Goods imported from China were actually labeled as “Made In Hong Kong”, but we all knew what the deal was.

    I witnessed first hand the initial gradual but exponentially accelerating replacement of a substantial number of “Happy Merchants” at regional and international trade shows by ethnic Chinese and other Asian trading companies from 1969 to 1995 in multiple allied consumer goods categories. By the nineties, it seemed that every West Coast Chinese laundry and restaurant had some kind of back room trading company (with rented showrooms in markets in NYC, Atlanta, Dallas, Chicago, LA and San Francisco) that was importing one kind of rubber dog shit or another (very often from factories owned or controlled by family members back home).

    In view of declining economic fortunes of the masses in Amurika, what I witnessed first hand can only be characterized as a Mercantile Malthusian Mudslide of epic proportions.

  33. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ano4

    Maybe it is too late for your intelligent analysis and proposals .

    After the fall of the Soviet Union the poor sacked russians were kneeling before the euroyankees begging to be admited as normal people , begging to be admitted as normal members of the white european tribes to which they belong .

    But they saw that the euroyankees kept relentsly insulting them , even if they were not communist any longer . They saw that while they withdrew their troops from the Eastern european countries Nato advanced its troops in those countries and incorporated them in the EU .

    The russians saw how the euroyankees backed rebelious chechens , how was desintegrated Yugoslavia , how the euroyankees provoked a coup d` Etat in Ukrania , in their Ukrania !!! , and how the euroyankees established endless economic sanctions against Russia . And Russia decided that euroyankees were not reliable people , that they were ennemies of Russia which could never trusted , and approached China .

    China has a long memory , they remember the english and french invasions , the opium war , they deeply distrust the west . If Trump , as you say , wanted to separate China and Russia , he should not have started the sanctions and tariffs war against against China and continued sanctions against Russia , he should not be attempting a coup d´Etat in Hong Kong , so he is strengthening the China-Russia link , which has a lot of sinergies .

    The EU , which depends on trade , is reeling under the US imposed santions to Russia , to the arabs , to the chinese , to the venezuelans , iranians , cubans etc…

    The EU is fed up with the waves of refugees coming from the US middle east wars , and recently Macron said that Europe goes from Lisbon to Valdivostok , wanting to make an approach to Russia , probably too little too late .

  34. DaveE says:
    @Realist

    The reason Mr. Unz and Mr. Cohen seem so extraordinary and exceptional is because they act (and write) like normal, everyday Gentiles, except with a lot of “inside information”.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @lavoisier
  35. Rags says:

    Did The(chock fulla Jews)Nation cover the University of Alaska’s recent study conclusions regarding the absurd official story of WTC #7 collapse. Perhaps Mr. Cohen could persuade his beloved to weigh in on matter.

  36. neutral says:
    @Anon

    What nonsense, fighting for the jews is never sacred.

  37. @JoannF

    Who is the Muslim Democratic presidential candidate to which you refer? Tulsi Gabbard is a Hindu, but I wasn’t aware that any announced presidential candidate is a Muslim.

    • Replies: @JoannF
  38. DaveE says:
    @MLK

    “Badly obvious” is that you’re a moron.

  39. wayfarer says:

    What We Still Do Not Know About Russiagate 9/11.

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  40. The democrats and republicans work for the same masters. They have zero divisions among themselves. Contrary to what this Government stooge writes the CIA is very clear about the purpose of the Russian psyop.

    Here’s an out of context quote from an old reliable Government propagandist, the CIA’s Ralph Nader : “What a farce and distraction this whole exercise turned out to be! ” Now you might think Ralph is finally saying that elections don’t matter. No way. The scandal is the elections themselves and the CIA will do anything to prevent that idea. The real issue, spelled out by the masters for the children to understand is “whether or not Russia did or didn’t” otherwise the naive angry children should continue to vote to put “their” man in the White House.

  41. “Investigations being overseen by Attorney General William Barr may provide answers—or not”.

    ‘Or not’ is the correct answer. Barr was brought in to oversee a truce between the faction of the Deep State that Trump belongs to (or is controlled by) and the faction of the Deep State that the FBI, CIA, Mueller, etc belong to. Russiagate was simply a gang war between two factions of the Deep State. There will not be any indictments.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  42. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Even leaving aside the misperception that Russia is the primary threat to America in world affairs

    The primary threat to America in world affairs is America itself. More specifically, the Deep State goons who have been running and ruining this nation ever since they murdered JFK.

    • Agree: AnonFromTN, Ron Unz
    • Replies: @follyofwar
  43. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Media tell lies about Russia but covered up Epstein forever… until it totally blew up. But they still covering it up… or trying to.

  44. What else is new? Manufacturers of this fake prefer not to mention it any more. Maybe they feel ashamed, more likely they have no shame, this is just political calculation. Muller found nothing whatsoever, except that Manafort and some of his partners (who are all as American as apple pie) are crooks. Besides, they practiced their crookedness in crooked Ukraine and almost as crooked US, not in Russia. That’s the whole story of “Russiagate”, but it appears to have served its purpose.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
  45. @David

    If there is any substance to that, American political operative should be flocking to Kremlin to find how you can get so much bang for your buck: investing paltry $100,000 they managed to swing a $2 billion election. That’s an incredible feat, even the Superman would be envious.

  46. Anon[724] • Disclaimer says:

    no aspect of this allegation has turned out to be true, as should have been evident from the outset.

    It was evident.

    Highlighting the critical-issue of the ability of a brazenly-partisan, so-called press to force obviously-false narratives to the extent of an unwarranted investigation of a President.

    If I were conspiratorially minded, I might be suspicious that this clumsy corruption of the press is intentional toward an inevitable dismantling of it in some future. What better way to destroy democratic institutions than to flagrantly transgress their originating principles?

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  47. @Ghan-buri-Ghan

    I immediately dismiss anyone who says that. One has to go through hundreds of insane permutations to come to that conclusion, like those who say that no one died at Sandy Hook. Trump easily beat 16 GOP challengers for the nomination, but that was rigged, right? Then, against Hillary, the powers-that-be managed to figure out how to rig just enough usually democrat rust belt states for Trump to win them by small margins.

    But in the minds of those afflicted with TDS, that’s all kabuki theatre. Those voters, apparently, did not vote of their own free will. Or certainly the electronic voting machines were tampered with, right? To those who refuse to see the obvious, Hillary Clinton, preacher the politically correct neo-liberal agenda, WAS the hand-picked candidate of the Oligarchs. If anything, the fact that she lost shows that the election was NOT RIGGED.

    And the fact that Hillary’s people, thru their Russia Gate hoax, destroyed any chance that Trump could follow through on his campaign promise to pursue peace with Russia, shows how sick, and depraved this putrid country has become.

  48. Svevlad says:
    @Realist

    It’s called “dejewing”. Most of the everyday jews that discover what their elites do often end up grossed out, because they’re normal people.

    • Replies: @Richard B
  49. JimDandy says:

    This article was the real nothingburger.

  50. Wally says:
    @Realist

    Exceptions prove the rule.

  51. @Greg Bacon

    I have followed Stephen Cohen’s speaking and writing about this immensely important issue since the start of the Russia Gate hoax. From what I hear, his left-wing colleages at The Nation, including his editor wife, are not happy with what he is saying.

    Cohen, a liberal American Jew, is a profile in courage on this issue. And kudos goes to Tucker Carlson for being the only one in the MSM to have given him a fair platform to speak.

    But, I do agree with you that Cohen, in praising republican presidents (Ike, Nixon, & Reagan) for being pro-détente with Russia, forgot to mention JFK. He may have started out as a Hawk, but wound up, after the Cuban Missile Crisis, to be a seeker peace. Of course, for that heresy, and for other reasons, he had to be rubbed out.

  52. nsa says:

    In the prophetic words of the murdered formed CIA director, Bill Casey: “We’ll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”

  53. Agent76 says:

    Jul 5, 2019 The Secrets of Silicon Valley: What Big Tech Doesn’t Want You to Know

    Once a sleepy farming region, Silicon Valley is now the hub of a global industry that is transforming the economy, shaping our political discourse, and changing the very nature of our society. So what happened? How did this remarkable change take place? Why is this area the epicenter of this transformation?

    Aug 2, 2011 U.S. government hankers for hackers Internet security anybody?

    Aug 2 (Reuters) – The National Security Agency has a challenge for hackers who think they’re hot stuff: prove it by working on the “hardest problems on Earth.”

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/02/idUSN1E7701KK20110802

    December 26, 2013 War Games in Cyberspace: NATO’s Cyber Defense Exercises Coincide with “Anonymous” Cyber Attacks against Ukraine

    NATO Cyber Defense Center in Tallinn, Estonia features a fusion of modern technology with outdated cold war ideology

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/war-games-in-cyberspace-natos-cyber-defense-exercises-coincide-with-anonymous-cyber-attacks-against-ukraine/5362734

  54. @Rabbitnexus

    Humans are deeply irrational creatures. The idea that dispassionate rationality is a dominant human behavioral characteristic is wildly wrong. As human history inescapably proves.

    Gathered in a group, humans will believe ***ANYTHING***, no matter how self-evidently and demonstrably false. The reason for this embrace of irrationality is not the least bit mysterious. Social acceptance trumps truth every time. When your “tribe” believes 2+2=17, and the price of disagreement is social banishment (or attack), then you go along with the dogma, even to the point of eventually believing, which is referred to as “internalizing”.

    Humans are genetically pre-configured to be followers, which makes their enslavement easily achievable. Not gonna change. Don’t try (it won’t work). Don’t waste your precious time. Pursue your own prosperity and that of your loved-ones (and encourage them to do the same) with a fierce single-mindedness. Let others be slaves and follow and serve their masters and their masters’ politicians.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @anon
  55. Realist says:
    @DaveE

    The reason Mr. Unz and Mr. Cohen seem so extraordinary and exceptional is because they act (and write) like normal, everyday Gentiles, except with a lot of “inside information”

    .

    So what you are saying is they are not like most Jews? What percent of Jews are like them?

    • Replies: @iffen
  56. iffen says:
    @Realist

    The reason Mr. Unz and Mr. Cohen seem so extraordinary and exceptional is because they act (and write) like normal, everyday Gentiles, except with a lot of “inside information.”

    So what you are saying is they are not like most Jews? What percent of Jews are like them?

    Let’s not forget Professor Gottfried. Some talented Jew watcher should make “us” a list of righteous Jews so that we will know which of (((them))) can be trusted and which ones can’t.

    • Replies: @Realist
  57. @Mark James

    This is worse than amateur. You will never make the grade. You’re fired. It’s for your own good.

  58. @renfro

    There is a war on, buddy. The shooting is yet to start. This town ain’t big enough for two.

  59. Richard B says:
    @Svevlad

    It’s called “dejewing”. Most of the everyday jews that discover what their elites do often end up grossed out, because they’re normal people.

    I first became aware of the JQ in the mid-80’s while in my early 20’s.

    For a long time my feelings on the matter pretty much reflected your comment. But now, not so much.

    There are exceptions, of course. Gilad Atzmon comes to mind.*

    But that’s exactly what they are – exceptions. And I’m not all that sure I’d include Mr. Unz. I value his site and am genuinely grateful for it. It’s a great site. But after reading a number of his articles and comments here, ahhh, not so sure. So, for now, I’ll keep reading his articles and, if proven wrong, will be happy to revise my opinion.

    For the most part though, their antipathy towards Whites or Europeans (and their geographical extensions, The USA, etc) or however you want to refer to them, is simply too deeply internalized and isn’t going to change any time soon.

    I once heard the Israeli statesman Abba Eban give a lecture and at one point he thundered, “Israel must be Jewish and Democratic!”

    The crowd errupted in applause but a Jewish professor of mine who was seated in front of me off to the right, who lived for a time in Israel and even did some work for the Knesset, just laughed.

    I asked him later why he reacted that way and he said,

    “How can anything Jewish be Democratic?”

    Never forgot that.

    He followed that comment by shaking his head and saying,

    “We’re the smartest and dumbest people at the same time.”

    I never forgot that one either.

    *In one of Gilad Atzmon’s videos he talks about getting into a taxi with a group of Jewish students who picked him up to give a talk somewhere (NYC I think). I think the video is “The Jewish Cognitive Elite.” Anyway, if you can find the video and hear him tell the story it’s well worth it and speaks to your comment.

    • Replies: @Anon
  60. @Anon

    Keep laughing. They control everything around here.

  61. anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:

    Took me about three minutes to see how far-fetched and implausible this lurid story was. If they want people to actually believe some fairy tale then they should create a more believable story, I thought at the time. Yet this nonsense has dragged on for years and I’ve actually met real live people in person who clung doggedly to this fantastic tale. The level of gullibility, the desire to believe in this, the sheer stupidity that’s out there is really staggering. How stupid are Americans anyway? That this gained any traction whatsoever reflects poorly on the mental level of the American public. The media presstitutes of course have been pushing this all along but they’re paid to do so. What’s the excuse for the others?

  62. Caterina says:

    What a pile of crap from a Commie.
    If you feel a need to publish this garbage, then count me out as a reader.

  63. @Anon

    What better way to destroy democratic institutions than to flagrantly transgress their originating principles?

    It would be a huge service to the human population on this planet.
    Imagine they all have time to think instead of being filled with utter unimportant rubbish and lies.
    To hell with the democratic institutions that created so much misery and wars, it is their purpose.

    Read Plato “The Republic” on democracy, educate yourself, it is a law of nature, but a religion. It is unnatural to begin with, and can only work in a group of no more than 20 people. Hence the smallest military unit is no bigger than 20 people.

    • Replies: @Anon
  64. @David

    Zuckey is just pleasuring himself when he claims $100,000 of Facebook ads has the power to sway elections.

  65. Given the impunity with which Israel nakedly interferes in American elections, worrying about Russian interference is laugh-out-loud funny.

    But I forgot. Israel is our best “friend.”

    • Replies: @The scalpel
  66. Anon[421] • Disclaimer says:

    “former special counsel Robert Mueller found no evidence of “collusion.”
    Let me unpack that for you, esteemed professor: RM was “special counsel” in name only. The real boss was Andrew Weissman. The “report” was his work. Mueller never looked for anything, never found anything and never wrote anything. The entire charade was part of the “resistance” to straight jacket Trump until the mid term elections, a strategy put in motion by Comey and Brennan, which achieved the desired result: Republicans lost the House. Of course there was “little Russia in Russiagate.” The narrative was all disinformation set loose by Crowdstrike and Fusion GPS, paid for by Hillary and the DNC with the blessing of President Obama. Welcome to the tin foil hat brigade as contributor.

  67. “with liberals perhaps finding themselves in the incongruous position of defending rogue intelligence agencies”

    Incongruous to whom?

  68. @Antares

    Your satire detector is in need of a tune up.

  69. Realist says:
    @iffen

    Let’s not forget Professor Gottfried. Some talented Jew watcher should make “us” a list of righteous Jews so that we will know which of (((them))) can be trusted and which ones can’t.

    How would someone know which Jews can be trusted…or any ethnic group for that matter.

    • Replies: @iffen
  70. Robjil says:
    @Jeff Davis

    Aldous Huxley mentioned this. He said Darwin thought that humans are led by top people who are wild. Humans are a wild species. They need to be tamed by an alien species.

    Movies often show aliens from another planet asking “Take me to your leader”. These films know the deal.

    The top people of our species need to be tamed. Free speech is the best way to tame them.

    Yet, they don’t want to be tamed.

    They think that were ” Born to be Wild”. Our Top people are riding all over the world clamping down on free speech. They cry out in pain when free speech pops up anywhere.

    “Free Speech” melts them like the wicked witch of the west melts with water.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  71. getaclue says:
    @Realist

    Your comment implies the Deep State is working for the country just not intelligent….– No the Deep State is in fact working against the interests of the country–often for the ChiCom interests as many of them –like we have learned about Brennan and Comey now — are actually Communists and are trying to bring about the NWO Globalist Agenda which can only be done by destroying the USA as it has been historically known and making it like an EU Vassal State looks today by bringing in massive 3rd World Immigration and “Diversity” as well as the GloboHomo Agenda to destroy Christianity….

    • Replies: @Realist
  72. iffen says:
    @Realist

    How would someone know which Jews can be trusted…or any ethnic group for that matter.

    I compare what a person writes with what I know to be “real.” Also, if someone is a partisan, which is okay, do they try to fake it and pretend that they are not.

  73. Russia gate was cheap theatre. It was kept alive by our corrupt media. Which seems criminal to me. Who knows, maybe if Trump is re-elected he will actually let the dogs out, and indict the un-indictable. He’s obviously a very smart, clever and patient man. I ponder. What information has the FBI and NYPD obtained from Epstein since his disappearance? And, is it being used to influence say, the recent decision by, I don’t know is it now 20, Republican office holders to not seek re-election? Is there a quiet counter attack happening in DC? Have they been warned to retire or face public disclosure of their sordid souls. An actual draining of the swamp. I try to keep my spirits up and try hard to believe in the man. TRUMP 2020. Yeah, I know. “He’s Benji’s puppet”. But is he really? Seeking our withdrawal from Afghanistan, Syria, and Yemen probably doesn’t go over too well with the Nut’n’Yahoo.
    After the recent terror bombing in Kabul, and Trump’s cancellation of today’s scheduled sit down at Camp David, and his subsequent tweet suggesting the leader of the Taliban isn’t really in control, doesn’t have the authority

  74. The deep state funds itself with weapons and drug sales, sanctions-evading trade, resource pillaging, bribery and extortion, etc.

    They are gangsters. Having a president from either party merely requires the appropriate tool, maybe providing little boys and cocaine, maybe just money, or even wet work if the person is stubborn.

    That’s why you had incitations to assassination with that actress holding up his bloody head and all the screeching about Hitler incarnate, etc.

    And it never lets up. This whole fake narrative of Trump being Hitler or the KKK Grand Wizard runs apace while Comey, Clapper, Brennan, the FBI lovers so obviously obstructing justice by both protecting Clinton while framing Trump for fictional “crimes” – every one of them scot free.

  75. Anon[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @Germanicus

    It would be a huge service to the human population on this planet.
    Imagine they all have time to think instead of being filled with utter unimportant rubbish and lies.

    That’s circular logic. ie: transgressing the self-policing principles of journalism creates rubbish and lies and so we have to destroy journalism to prevent rubbish and lies.

    “organize the intellectuals and use them to make Western civilization stink. Only then, after they have corrupted all its values and made life impossible, can we impose the dictatorship of the proletariat”.

    – Willi Munzenberg

    Alarmingly, it plays into the plan of people who obviously hate this nation and its heritage people (destroying what is here now for a hazy future). Respectfully, whenever you find yourself agreeing with your enemies who wish to destroy you then perhaps you have taken a logical wrong turn at some point.

    To hell with the democratic institutions that created so much misery and wars, it is their purpose.

    Perhaps I should have said “republican institution” as a more accurate representation of the environment in which the US institutions were founded. Perhaps the difference is the former would act as today’s institutions act and the latter would adhere to self-limiting principles meant to stave off corruption. Though, I’m not stating that the institutional migration from the former to the latter is not perhaps inevitable.

    The relative benefit of whether these systems are destroyed or not depends on what fills the vacuum. Vacuums are exceedingly more dangerous than any democratic system that was enabled 1. to stop monarchy (a bad move to the Left) 2. but also to act as an imperfect libertarian bulwark against Far left Soviet style totalitarianism (good).

    What we have now is a Soviet system chomping at the bit to dominate and fill the vacuum as soon as it occurs. Likely with a lot of genocide occurring in that vacuum period, as we saw with the dawn of the Soviet Union. That’s not a vacuum that anyone should be anxious to create in this historical moment.

    The purpose of democracy is the elimination of all forms of nationhood. I agree with you (in what I believe you would imply) on that point. But we don’t want to pull the knife from the wound before we can assure that the patient won’t quickly bleed out and die. First we have to be ready to prevent blood loss and know with certainty that we can eliminate the infection. Otherwise, the knife stays in to prevent its advancement.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  76. Anon[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @Richard B

    “We’re the smartest and dumbest people at the same time.”

    Which means that they are exactly like every other Western European group in terms of their group intelligence spread. In my observation, they are only more prone to emotional excess in most matters including their self-promotion (intelligence, victimhood, entitlement, etc). Which makes sense since the “religion’s” core is one of emotional excess and self-promotion.

    • Replies: @DaveE
    , @Richard B
  77. @Anon

    That’s circular logic. ie: transgressing the self-policing principles of journalism creates rubbish and lies and so we have to destroy journalism to prevent rubbish and lies.

    When was the last time the US media told something resembling the truth on the really important issues they usually don’t report?

    The point is, there is no such thing as a “free and independent media”, the “journalists”/propagandists sing the song of those who pay them, ie the party song, it is really that simple.

    As for the USA, their founding fathers would turn in their graves if they knew a democracy usurped the republic. They were well read on Plato.

  78. Prof. Stephen F. Cohen possesses a very balanced, scholarly, and informed view of Russia. Whenever he speaks or writes on the subject of ‘Putin’s Russia’, his insights seem honest and unhindered by the ideological distortions that otherwise permeate most of America’s Public Square. This is rare. Cohen’s intellectual integrity make him an outstanding addition to UNZ. Well done, Ron! Your unique menu of opinion and analysis is getting better and better.

    It’s also commendable that you have assembled a broad range of iconoclastic intellectuals to appear on UNZ. It’s time to deconstruct and reimagine new political paths and alliances.

    Is there room for the likes of Andrew Joyce, Stephen F. Cohen, John Derbyshire, Philip Giraldi, Ron Unz, Kevin Barrett, and Israel Shamir (among others) to be the seeds of a new political movement? I say YES. We must follow the truth wherever it leads.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  79. This one is for all the Putin/Russia worshipers. There are no “good guy” oligarchs on the world stage. They are all in it for their own selfish interest.

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  80. @Johnny Walker Read

    This video totally ignores the roles of America/Israel/Saudi Arabia in the radicalization of the Muslim Religion to be used for their own selfish means. There are no good guys here. This video borders on pro-Zionist.

  81. Realist says:
    @getaclue

    Your comment implies the Deep State is working for the country just not intelligent….–

    No it doesn’t. It states the Deep State has power.

  82. “(Papadopoulos wasn’t the only Trump associate targeted, Carter Page being another.)”
    Carter Page was an undercover FBI operative. He wasn’t “targeted.” He was the foot in the door whereby the FBI launched an investigation of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign.
    Why wasn’t Carter Page indicted ??? Enquiring minds want to know.

  83. Gyre07 says:
    @niceland

    ‘Russiagate’ is a whole cloth fabrication by the Clinton’s and John Podesta intended mainly to distract the public from 1) Clinton’s failure to beat the most vulnerable presidential candidate in history, 2) to distract the public from the utter failure of the US mainstream media to get anything right about the election, and 3) to harry the guy that beat her at the polling place. In the ‘smoke’ it created, the above-named perps escaped like Saudi nationals beating feet after 9/11 and the ‘Cold War Warriors’ of the left re-discovered an old way to weaponize American propaganda. What’s been lost? Most of America’s confidence in it’s mainstream media, the benefits of detente with Russia (no concerted effort of Russia and China to form a military and trade alliance that will ultimately damage badly any efforts to maintain the dollars as the worlds reserve currency > devaluation of the dollar, and further polarization of the US public along fictional lines created by some political schmucks who never earned an honest dollar in their lives. The whole thing is almost as big a scam as the official 9/11 narrative or the Warren Commission Report.

  84. JoannF says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    Bloody hell – you’re correct. I must have taken Kamala Harris for a Muslim in the days when I still didn’t know her background, How is it possible that Ilhan Omar is not yet a candidate when she’s the one who has just proven how well she adapted to American ways ? And how dare Tulsi not be a Muslim, when her mother is a German and she served in a MASH unit in Iraq ? You have to admit this is confusing for outsiders…

  85. DaveE says:
    @Anon

    Buddha said, “You become what you believe.” (He meant over many lifetimes, as well as your current one. One lifetime’s practices become the foundation for the next, i.e you pick up where you left off.)

    That explains VOLUMES about the pathology of Judaism and its followers.

  86. lavoisier says: • Website
    @DaveE

    The reason Mr. Unz and Mr. Cohen seem so extraordinary and exceptional is because they act (and write) like normal, everyday Gentiles, except with a lot of “inside information”.

    I cannot think of too many Gentiles who have the courage of Ron Unz.

    I know there are some. most of whom are banned, but RU is exceptional among any group of people.

    • Replies: @DaveE
  87. DaveE says:
    @lavoisier

    That’s true. My point is really to point out the double standard when “judging” Jews against the much higher character standard for Gentiles.

    I will admit, the cultural pressure for a Jew to adhere to the standard lies of his brethren seems to be immense, maybe unfathomably so for a Gentile like me to comprehend.

    Which makes a courageous Jew like an Atzmon or Unz all the more rare and exceptional, my original point.

    But see my comment above about Buddha and karma. It explains why the karmic hole Jews (in general) have dug for themselves is very, very deep and wide.

  88. Saggy says: • Website
    @Dan Hayes

    very knowledgeable and principled historian / political scientist (Prof Steve Cohen

    Bullshit …. what has he said about the holohoax? Let’s google ….
    https://www.bloomsbury.com/au/the-victims-return-9781780761374/

    Stalin’s reign of terror in the Soviet Union has been called ‘the other Holocaust’. During the Stalin years, it is thought that more innocent men, women and children perished than in Hitler’s destruction of the European Jews.

    You can count the # of honest Jews on the fingers of one hand – Unz, Menuhin, Paul Eisen, Israel Shamir ?.

  89. Herald says:
    @MLK

    You must be an utterly hopeless case, if the enlightened Philip Giraldi has banned you. Goodbye.

  90. Anon[428] • Disclaimer says:

    I think that this might interest you in answering some questions about the Truth about Trump, the Mass Media and Russia Investigation? – http://www.renegadetribune.com/donald-trumps-many-connections-to-child-sex-slavery/

  91. @Antares

    It appears to me that the whole thing was a setup from the start. Menacing voters with the thought of Hillary Clinton as president made Trump seem like the only option. Clinton and her fans may have actually thought that she had a chance, but looking at her closely, you’d see that the only influence she ever had came from her possession of stolen FBI files and the threat they were to people who she caused to cave in to her demands.

    As those people die off, Clinton becomes less of a threat, and the fact that she was a threat to so many people make her an unreliable person to the ones who install presidents. She was a stalking horse, nothing more, and it also now appears that she’s finished. It’s too bad that so many people still think of her as what she never was.

  92. @dearieme

    “Someone told me yesterday….”

    I’ll bet you had a good laugh once she was out of hearing. It’s amazing the kind of shit people will tell you about what they heard on TV or read in a newspaper. I sometimes wonder if I have big jug ears that make those morons want to tell me that kind of thing that your acquaintance told you.

  93. ‘It must again be emphasized: It is hard, if not impossible, to think of a more toxic allegation in American presidential history than the one leveled against candidate, and then president, Donald Trump that he “colluded” with the Kremlin in order to win the 2016 presidential election—and, still more, that Vladimir Putin’s regime, “America’s No. 1 threat,” had compromising material on Trump that made him its “puppet.” Or a more fraudulent accusation…’

    …or a sillier one. Given Israel’s influence, for us to fret about Russian interference is literally like a whore crawling out the of the motel room after her latest trick and fretting about how that bad man across the parking lot looked at her ankles.

    My first reaction when all this got started is ‘you have got to be kidding.’

    That’s still my reaction. It’s one of those ‘concerns’ like shariah law coming to America. No, that’s not actually a major problem…

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  94. @TellTheTruth-2

    That’s true, and it gets even worse. The FBI was “running a sting” as they say, on some muslim dimwits in ’93 and convinced them to bomb the WTC towers. FBI agents helped them along, gave them the actual explosives instead of the fake stuff their handler wanted to give them, then fucked around and lost track of them, or so they say, allowing them to set off a bomb in the lower lever parking garage of a WTC tower.

    That version of the story is actually giving them the benefit of the doubt. The other way it could have been viewed is that the FBI was using patsies to commit a terrorist attack. A free republic has no need for a secret police organization like the FBI, so it becomes clear that the US isn’t actually a free republic.

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  95. @David Erickson

    I have to agree that there will be no indictments. As to whether there was any actual ‘gang war’ between factions, or that a deep state project that should have ended when the Magic Mulatto left office needed to be shut down quietly, I just don’t know.

    It would be a little encouraging to see the different factions of the deep state actually start beating each other with hammers or bats, but that doesn’t seem likely right now.

  96. @Colin Wright

    The main danger to America is Israel and zionism and the zionist control of the zio/US government!

  97. Whatever reason they had for doing what they did, it sure seems to have worked.

    The entire ”populist” part of the announced Trump agenda was derailed for his first term and has largely been forgotten.

    Whether this “attempted coup” really backed Trump off or was designed to give him cover for his failure to perform doesn’t really matter.

    Trump’s feckless response to the doings of his enemies speaks volumes. We have seen the measure of Trump, and it is either incompetence or bad faith.

    • Replies: @utu
  98. Russiagate is the new McCarthyism. Most of the idiots here should love Russiagate since they still push the Red Scare Bolshevik commie boogeyman nonsense. I guess their Low IQ’s don’t allow them to see that they are doing the same thing as the Russiagaters when the scream COMMUNIST! and BOLSHEVIK! like it still the 1950’s. For a website that talks so much about IQ, this one sure does attract the lowest of the low.

    Russia gate serves the same purposes. Keep the war machine going. Keep the MIC busy pissing away money for new weapons that we don’t need. Hence Trump tearing up the nuclear/missile agreements we had with Russia. Cha Ching! Accuse anyone wanting to change the system, the status quo of being a traitor. It seems to be used mostly for anyone anti-war, such as Tulsi Gabbard. If you don’t want a nuclear war with Russia you must be a Russian bot or a Putin sympathizer. Don’t want to overthrow Venezuela or support ISIS in Syria? You’re a Russian apologist. Same shit as McCarthy. It will be used against anyone pushing for single payer healthcare, like Sanders. Supporting the labor movements and unions. Pretty much anyone who wants to cut into the profits of our capitalist overlords.

    They’re also going to use it to censor, already are. Anything that goes against their war profiteering will be deemed “Russian propaganda”. Perhaps they will shift to Chinese or communist propaganda again if the Russian thing wears off.

    I think it has a little to do with Obama/Clinton losing also. They just don’t want to deal with the fact that the first “black” president got followed up by Trump. They don’t want to admit that obamas presidency and the pro corporate/ pro neoliberal capitalist policies were a complete failure for middle and lower class Americans. They know it, they just want to try and keep gaslighting the public in hopes that they will blame Russia or “white supremacists/nationalists” or some other bullshit, instead of blaming Wall St and DC. Same with the right, Trump, GOP and their endless scapegoating on Mexicans, queers, blacks, Muslims, etc…

    Its also to distract from the fact that the Israelis meddle far more in our elections, plenty of proof of this. They do it in the open. Same with Wall St, corporate elite, the capitalist overlords that own the govt. the media, and write the laws. Its an easy excuse to blame the Russian boogeyman for our country being a banana republic.

    In short, it all about the $$$. War profiteers, capitalists, as Smedley Butler told us long ago, only way to stop it would be taking the profit out of war. We’re moving in the opposite direction now with more of it being privatized, so we can expect more and more war, madness, murder, and poverty until this is stopped. Trump certainly ain’t going to do it. I’m pretty certain this is why they sidelined Tulsi.

    All the bullshit artists still pushing the Judy Woods star wars death ray stuff should be ashamed of yourselves, and you should feel like the idiots you are. But I know you don’t, because that is your job. To muddy the waters. To turn people away from asking questions about 9/11. Good thing most people are not as stupid as you think they are. Yall really should get a life, get out, stop posting on the web all day long, but again that is your “job”. Just know the blood of those people killed is on your hands for doing it, and that what you’re doing and have done will come back around to you one of these days, count on it.

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  99. utu says:
    @donald j tingle

    “it is either incompetence or bad faith” – Yes, “The entire ”populist” part of the announced Trump agenda was derailed for his first term and has largely been forgotten.”

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  100. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @redmudhooch

    Great post, hooch. Inspired, actually. (I’d use the AGREE button if I could.)

    Just one note: the old Hellcat has life in her yet. Have you seen the photos of HRC’s courtship of Elizabeth Warren? Now there’s a scary thought. A woman under the influence. Shudder.

  101. Richard B says:
    @Anon

    Which means that they are exactly like every other Western European group in terms of their group intelligence spread.

    Yes, that very well could be.

    My take on it had more to do with single-mindedness of purpose. Which, of course, is a very human trait.

    But it has to be said that Jewish single-mindedness demonstrates itself in a particularly striking manner. Like the predator so focused on finding and killing their prey that they can’t feel the tickling of the poisonous spider crawling up their leg.

    Naturally, the spider in this case is a metaphor for exatly that psychotic single-mindedness.

    I mean, just look around.

    Jewish Supremacy Inc.’s rise to power is in direct proportion to the collapse of the very social-institutions that power is intended to control.

    Look at our cities, our universities, our government and, of course, finance and economy.

    JSI has proven itself to be very competent at infiltration, subversion, betrayal, disintegration, destruction and death.

    But it’s no damn good at social-management. And for a reason devoid of complexity, ie;

    It’s never created, let alone run, an entire civilization before – and it shows.

    In short, what we’re witnessing is The Pyrrhic Victory of Jewish Supremacy Inc.

  102. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Davis

    When your “tribe” believes 2+2=17, and the price of disagreement is social banishment (or attack), then you go along with the dogma..

    Absolutely, as has been shown over and over, like the experiment where one kid will say the wrong answer (which line is longer) just to conform to the others.

    The “Russia” excuse is now so firmly ingrained in the average Democrat, it’s wasting your breath to even mention it.

  103. @follyofwar

    Keep living in the land of sunshine and lolly pop’s. For sure keep believing Faux News and Occam’s razor.

    By the way, “Nobody Died At Sandy Hook”. Learn the truth if you’re not askeerd.
    https://botcast.net/botcastfiles/Documents/NobodyDiedAtSandyHook.pdf

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  104. @Twodees Partain

    Same shit, different diaper, just like always..

  105. “So, again, what was it about Trump that so spooked the spooks so far off their rightful reservation and so intrusively into American presidential politics?”

    That’s the real question. Was Trump really an outsider?

  106. @Truth3

    Clearly Jews hold a variety of opinions and act from a variety of motives, as do evangelicals, the Catholic church, Islam, Scientologists, Serbs, gays, and Irish Republicans. But there are a number of self-consciously Jewish or Zionist groups and individuals who, though they don’t speak for all Jews, are extremely powerful and act in pursuit of a distinctive agenda that members of other groups may want to counter, and to effectively counter it one must be willing to talk about its specifically Jewish aspects.
    Scientifically speaking, Jewishness, like other tribal identities, is an excellent predictor of how people are likely to think, feel, and behave in relation to certain issues, particularly given the existence of so many well-funded organizations devoted to practicing identity politics.
    Though it may sound ‘tacky’ I don’t think it is necessarily biased or hateful to speak about “the Jews” anymore than the Catholic church, the Muslims, or the Religious Right, though some indiduals who talk that way are biased and hateful.
    We tend to give a pass to a wide range of conversation about ethnic and religious motivations of some groups or entities while outlawing the slightest candor in relation to others. These rules of engagement can be fatal to the need for an objective discussion and just resolution of differences. Jews and gentiles would both be better off in the end if there were more candor.

  107. @utu

    Maybe, but some embers are still smoldering and if Trump ever gets the upper hand on his enemies we may see a return to populist themes and agenda items. And Trump’s populism has spawned disciples who may not be as easily stifled as the mentor.

  108. awry says:

    Latest sensation from the MSM that there is an allegedly high ranking Russian defector (who is in the US now) who has warned the West about Putler intervening in the US presidential election. Will something come out of this?

  109. Skeptikal says:
    @wayfarer

    I don’t know what happened to my comment concerning this video.
    It is extremely thought-provoking.
    I had heard of Dr. Judy Wood but had not seen her presentation.

    Paul Craig Roberts has a contribution concerning the lies of 9/11:
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/52238.htm

    But he also refers to heat hot enough to melt steel. Now it does not seem likely that any steel was actually “melted.” So where does that leave the passports that were found.
    Anyhow, Roberts’s contribution is worth reading, also because he focuses on Mueller’s role in promulgating and protecting the 9/11 official cover story/lie.

  110. Flubber says:
    @Antares

    “There are not really reporters but complete idiots.”

    They’re not even this autonomous. They’re glove puppets for the establishment. They’re there to push whatever narrative the 4am email tells them to do on behalf of their corporate masters.

  111. Anastasia says:

    There is something missing in all these trumpcollusionstories and entrapment that occured long before the election. If they were so sure he would lose, why did they do these things and furthermore why did they put him front and center in all these primary debates? This whole thing including the madness of these Democrat candidates is FISHY

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