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Donald Trump hears questions from reporters following the release of a memo on the FBI’s role in the Russia inquiry in February 2018. (AP / Evan Vucci)
Donald Trump hears questions from reporters following the release of a memo on the FBI’s role in the Russia inquiry in February 2018. (AP / Evan Vucci)

Almost daily for three years, Democrats and their media have told us very bad things about Donald Trump’s life, character, and presidency. Some of them are true. But in the process, we have also learned some lamentable, even alarming, things about the Democratic Party establishment, including self-professed liberals. Consider the following:

  • The Democratic establishment is deeply and widely imbued with rancid Russophobic attitudes. Most telling was (and remains) a core “Russiagate” allegation that “Russia attacked American democracy during the 2016 presidential election” on Trump’s behalf—an “attack” so nefarious it has often been equated with Pearl Harbor. But there was no “attack” in 2016, only, as I have previously explained, ritualistic “meddling” of the kind that both Russia and America have undertaken in the other’s elections for decades. Little can be more phobic than the allegation or belief that one has been “attacked by a hostile” entity. And yet this myth and its false narrative persist in the Democratic Party’s discourse, campaigning, and fund-raising.
  • We have also learned that the heads of America’s intelligence agencies under President Obama, especially John Brennan of the CIA and James Clapper, director of National Intelligence, felt themselves entitled to try to undermine an American presidential candidacy and subsequent presidency, that of Donald Trump. Early on, I termed this operation “Intelgate,” and it has since been well documented by other writers, including Lee Smith in his new book. Intel officials did so in tacit alliance with certain leading, and equally Russophobic, members of the Democratic Party, which had once opposed such transgressions. This may be the most alarming revelation of the Trump years: Trump will leave power, but these self-aggrandizing intelligence agencies will remain.
  • We also learned that, contrary to Democratic dogma, the mainstream “free press” cannot be fully trusted to readily expose such abuses of power. Indeed, what the mainstream media—leading national newspapers and two cable news networks, in particular—chose to cover and report, and chose not to cover and report, made the abuses and consequences of Russiagate allegations possible. Even now, exceedingly influential publications such as The New York Times seem eager to delegitimize the investigation by Attorney General William Barr and his appointed special investigator John Durham into the origins of Russiagate. Barr’s critics accuse him of fabricating a “conspiracy theory” on behalf of Trump. But the real, or grandest, conspiracy theory was the Russiagate allegation of “collusion” between Trump and the Kremlin, an accusation that was—or should have been—discredited by the Robert Mueller report.
  • And we have learned, or should have learned, that for all the talk by Democrats about Trump as a danger to US national security, it is their Russiagate allegations that truly endanger it. Consider two examples. Russia’s new “hyper-sonic” missiles, which can elude US missile-defense systems, make new nuclear arms negotiations with Moscow imperative and urgent. If only for the sake of his legacy, Trump is likely to want to do so.But even if he is able to, will Trump be entrusted enough to conduct negotiations as successfully as did his predecessors in the White House, given the “Putin puppet” and “Kremlin stooge” accusations still being directed at him? Similarly, as I have asked repeatedly, if confronted with a US-Russian Cuban missile–like crisis—anywhere Washington and Moscow are currently eyeball-to-eyeball militarily, from the Baltic region and Ukraine to Syria—will Trump be as free politically as was President John F. Kennedy to resolve it without war? Here too there is an inconvenient truth: To the extent that Democrats any longer seriously discuss national security in the context of US-Russian relations, it mostly involves vilifying both Trump and Russian leader Vladimir Putin. (Recall also that previous presidents were free to negotiate with Russia’s Soviet communist leaders, even encouraged to do so, whereas the demonized Putin is an anti-communist, post-Soviet leader.)

The current state of US-Russian relations is unprecedentedly dangerous, not only due to reasons cited here—a new Cold War fraught with the possibility of hot war. Whether President Trump serves one or two terms, he must be fully empowered to cope with the multiple possibilities of a US-Russian military confrontation. That requires ridding him and our nation of Russiagate allegations—and that in turn requires learning how such allegations originated.

Opponents of Barr’s investigation into the origins of Russiagate say it is impermissible or unprecedented to “investigate the investigators.” But the bipartisan Church Committee, based in the US Senate, did so in the mid-1970s. It exposed many abuses by US intelligence agencies, particularly by the CIA, and adopted remedies that it believed would be permanent. Clearly, they have not been.

However well-intentioned Barr may be, he is Trump’s attorney general and therefore not fully credible. As I have also argued repeatedly, a new Church Committee is urgently needed. It’s time for honorable members of the Senate of both parties to do their duty.

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  1. Giuseppe says:

    As I have also argued repeatedly, a new Church Committee is urgently needed. It’s time for honorable members of the Senate of both parties to do their duty.

    And if it is ever formed, may this committee break the CIA into 1000 pieces, as JFK set out to do.

  2. renfro says:

    It’s time for honorable members of the Senate of both parties to do their duty.

    Small problem…..there are no honorable members in the Senate.

    • LOL: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Norm Corin
  3. Biff says:

    Trump will leave power, but these self-aggrandizing intelligence agencies will remain.

    Something the stupid voters never seem to realize – the permanent government doesn’t give a rats ass about democracy, freedom, human rights, security, your dog, your property, and most of all – your integrity.
    “Fuck you stupid voters – now go elect another moron – we’ve got governments to overthrow”

    • Replies: @Realist
  4. anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:

    ” The Democratic establishment is deeply and widely imbued with rancid Russophobic attitudes.”

    As are the Republican establishment and even such faux dissidents as Andrew Napolitano and Patrick Buchanan in columns easily found here on The Unz Review.

    Exceptionalia needs enemies to keep the sheep herded when the Red v Blue politics and increasingly absurd culture skirmishes aren’t sufficiently distracting.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    , @Isthatright
  5. teeth [AKA "wise"] says:

    Hall of Fame ‘playas’:

    Nuland, aka Nudleman

    Lowy, Frank

    Silverstein, aka Dermatologist wanna be

  6. Excellent summation of the current predicament involving Trump and his ruthless foes. The greatest and most ridiculous ‘conspiracy theory’ of all is Russiagate itself–yet this politicized hoax is not being allowed to die a natural death; thus the Demorat impeachment inquiry.

    So now we have entered Stage Two of this toxic and unnecessary melodrama. We can thank the partisan, biased and subversive ‘mainstream’ media for this downward step.

    Ironically, the media’s rank dishonesty is turning Trump into a heroic figure. This is poetic justice.

    Haven’t our media overlords heard?–the Soviet Union is dead.

    In its place is Christian Russia. So why the enmity?

    Might these lingering tensions have more than a little to do with Putin’s stubborn alliance with Syria and Iran? It sure looks that way.

    It must be noted that Israel remains deeply disturbed over the Russia-Iran-Syria federation. But that’s Israel’s problem. America is not burdened by those historic antagonisms, regional rivalries, or security concerns. Americans should therefore be relieved. Only we’re not allowed to be.

    The Zionist state has deviously entwined its security interests with America’s. Israel and Zio-America have been artificially conjoined at the political hip. Didn’t you hear?

    This political union is good for the Jews. The Americans?–less so. Far less.

    Unless we can extricate ourselves, this unnatural ‘partnership’ may end in a cataclysm.

  7. Dan Hayes says:
    @anonymous

    anonymous[128]:

    You claim Buchanan is “russophobic”. Surely you jest!

  8. Realist says:
    @Giuseppe

    And if it is ever formed, may this committee break the CIA into 1000 pieces, as JFK set out to do.

    What ever happened to JFK?

    • Replies: @anon
  9. Realist says:
    @renfro

    Small problem…..there are no honorable members in the Senate.

    Sadly so true.

  10. Realist says:
    @Biff

    Something the stupid voters never seem to realize – the permanent government doesn’t give a rats ass about democracy, freedom, human rights, security, your dog, your property, and most of all – your integrity.

    The Deep State doesn’t care about the unimportant internecine squabbles of the ‘two parties’ as long as their important issues are maintained. As a matter of fact it strengthens the false perception that there is a choice when voting.

    Trump and the Deep State do not care what the American people want. They know that most American people are inane fools and will believe anything. Most Americans would rather watch America’s Got Talent or Dancing With The Stars than be informed about important issues.

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
    , @TomSchmidt
  11. I think if President Trump was faced with a Cuban Missile Crisis situation the outcome could be very different to the first time. On that occasion the two superpowers, despite coming close to open war, were able to contain and de-escalate. The conditions are very different today. As Professor Cohen says,” The current state of US-Russian relations is unprecedentedly dangerous, not only due to reasons cited here—a new Cold War fraught with the possibility of hot war.” In this context it is essential the president is “fully empowered to cope with the multiple possibilities of a US-Russian military confrontation.”
    One problem is that the original Cold War was the peace, a post-world war environment: today we are in pre-world war environment. There is a dangerous misconception that a Cold War sequel will have the same peaceful ending. The world has experienced periods of peace (or relative peace) throughout history. The Thirty Years Peace between the two Peloponnesian Wars, Pax Romana, Europe in the 19th century after the Congress of Vienna, to name a few. The Congress System finally collapsed in 1914 with the start of World War One. That conflict was followed by the League of Nations. It did not stop World War Two. That was followed by the United Nations and other post-war institutions. But all the indications are they will not prevent a third world war.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

    • Replies: @Michael888
  12. “The New York Times seem eager to delegitimize the investigation by Attorney General William Barr and his appointed special investigator John Durham.”

    Ya know, the investigation would be a lot harder to delegitimize if it the guys doing it didn’t whitewash Iran/Contra, like Barr, or systematic and widespread CIA torture, like Durham. You put lifelong CIA whores hot on the trail of illegal CIA domestic operations against political enemies? Come on. Nobody with a 3-digit IQ can keep a straight face.

    You want this shit to stop? Then do to Langley what the Germans did to their Stasi. CIA investigation of CIA crimes do not pass the laff test anymore.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  13. Trump’s problem was described in simple terms by John Connelly when talking with Henry Kissinger. “Henry”, he said, “In Washington you are judged by the men you’ve destroyed”. Trump has not destroyed anyone, not Comey, not Brennan, not Klapper. So he is viewed as weak, an easy target. So they just keep piling on. Attacking Trump is viewed as a “penalty-free activity

    • Agree: follyofwar, TKK
    • Replies: @TKK
  14. anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan Hayes

    If you look back, you will see a pattern of endorsing this aspect of the Beltway narrative. For example, on July 7, 2017, Mr. Buchanan wrote: “Americans are rightly angry that Russia hacked the presidential election of 2016.” This was discussed under the article published May 31, where I first asked Mr. Buchanan’s fans why he seemed willfully ignorant of the observations of people like William Binney. The columns and comment threads of July 20 and 24, 2018, also illustrate what I’m talking about.

    I have read him closely, and Mr. Buchanan has been faithful to the Establishment on this point, careful to leave Russia cast as enemy.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  15. Saggy says: • Website

    Whether President Trump serves one or two terms, he must be fully empowered to cope with the multiple possibilities of a US-Russian military confrontation.

    This is insane. Giving Trump personally the power to decide war/peace is imbecilic in the extreme. We’re supposed to have a constitution, but the Zionists have forgotten that.

  16. Dan Hayes says:
    @anonymous

    anonymous[128]:

    Thanks. In the future I’ll carefully monitor Buchanan to determine if he spouts (as you believe) the anti-Russian line.

  17. @renfro

    Rand Paul, and possibly Bernie Sanders, are not honorable — sufficiently honorable — to propose if not accomplish this?

    • Replies: @Durruti
  18. A123 says:

    Russia’s new “hyper-sonic” missiles, which can elude US missile-defense systems, make new nuclear arms negotiations with Moscow imperative and urgent. If only for the sake of his legacy, Trump is likely to want to do so

    This makes little sense. Russia and the U.S. are not enemies, and are potentially allies. Why would a U.S.-Russia treaty be desirable? The U.S. wants to help Russia defend its South western border against dangerous nations, such as Turkey & Iran.

    A U.S.-China treaty would be helpful, but China is unlikely to accept anything that might interfere with their colonial ambitions.
    ____

    Also, the author is likely overestimating Russia’s technical prowess. Does anyone remember the recent incident the Russians had with their nuclear powered “Skyfall” cruise missile? (1)

    The mysterious explosion on August 8 at the Russian navy’s range in Nyonoksa killed seven and spurred fears that Russia was testing its nuclear-powered Burevestnik missile, also known by the NATO codename ‘Skyfall.’ But U.S. intelligence indicates the fatal explosion occurred as Russia attempted to salvage a downed Skyfall missile from the ocean floor,

    Russia has reportedly conducted five unsuccessful tests of Skyfall since November 2017, all resulting in loss of control and crashes. The longest test lasted for two minutes with the missile flying 22 miles, and the shortest lasted four seconds and five miles.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7409607/Russias-Skyfall-nuclear-cruise-missile-explosion-happened-salvage-mission-intel.html

  19. dearieme says:
    @Giuseppe

    I’ve never seen any evidence that JFK set out to break the CIA into a 1000 pieces. Can you point me to some?

  20. onebornfree says: • Website

    Here’s an an “inconvenient truth” that 100’s of millions of people ,[including the author Cohen] , have not learned, and probably never will 🙁 :

    “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [via central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”,”improved”, nor “limited” in scope, simply because of their innate criminal nature.” onebornfree

    And so it goes….

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @PetrOldSack
  21. The article.

    “Koffiedik kijken.´´ “La continuite du pouvoir.´´

  22. @onebornfree

    Repeating your adagio, is therapeutic for the readers. It keeps the pot from exploding. That is where the writers are paid for. Alternator – influencers, or MSM – jesters. The obvious is so neurally uncomfortable to all, that it averses into the neurally soothing of believing in a miracle not further away as tomorrow and the next elections. Base psychology.

    Only when the obvious continuous powers will be attacked in a way the masses comprehend, a la Epstein, the message of believing in anything else will pass. The Sopranos ruffing Washington, not Jersey, is what would bite the heels of the fat boys. There is little psychological variance between the masses and the elites. The middle classes and the elites, the proles, all have a strong identitarian shame – illusionist pride of belonging to whatever makes the day.

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
  23. @mark green

    In its place is Christian Russia. So why the enmity?

    Well, Russia is not “Christian”. The Bolsheviks smashed Christianity for good. A small minority of the population at this point are devout Orthodox Christians. The Russian church is thoroughly politicized and corrupt, it has never recovered from the Soviet era. For most Church goers, the Church is something you go to for patriotic reasons, but not because you truly follow Christ.

    The fastest growing religion in Russia is Islam.

    The enmity from the West towards Russia has more to do with different cliques fighting to control the world’s natural resources and old fashioned nationalism.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Z-man
    , @Ram
    , @renfro
    , @Ian Smith
  24. @Giuseppe

    I’m a huge fan of Stephen Cohen’s, but, with bi-partisanship dead, his calling for a new Church commission is pie-in-the-sky. Nothing good can happen until this impeachment farce is over.

    In fact, I’d say that Barr and Durham better hurry up and indict someone. There is less than a year left before the next election, which only leaves a few weeks this year, and the first few months in 2020. Once there’s like 3-4 months to go before the election it will be too late. And, BTW, where is the long-awaited IG Horowitz’s report? Tick Tock guys.

    • Agree: jack daniels
    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    , @Abbybwood
  25. Dan Hayes says:
    @follyofwar

    follyofwar:

    I am under the impression that Horowitz will, at best, only be able to cite petty administrative malfeasance. So it’s do or die with Durham.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  26. Hail says: • Website
    @Peter Akuleyev

    The fastest growing religion in Russia is Islam.

    We’ve been hearing that for a long time, but one thing to remember is: Islam is a foreign(ers’)-identity in Russia. It won’t be taking over the political center in Russia anytime soon, nor getting any European-Russian converts.

    • Replies: @AP
  27. @Dan Hayes

    Just to piggyback on anonymous, in Pat’s latest column from Tuesday he writes of Putin’s “counter-seizure of Crimea,” ignoring the fact that the Crimeans voted overwhelmingly by referendum to return to Russia after that illegal coup. At heart, Buchanan remains a Cold War Warrior.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes, renfro, sayless
    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  28. AP says:
    @Hail

    We’ve been hearing that for a long time, but one thing to remember is: Islam is a foreign(ers’)-identity in Russia. It won’t be taking over the political center in Russia anytime soon, nor getting any European-Russian converts.

    There certainly are Russian converts to Islam:

    https://www.refworld.org/docid/56a7a4234.html

    Russia won’t be going Muslim any time soon or not-so-soon, but there are converts.

    • Replies: @Hail
  29. Hail says: • Website
    @AP

    Thanks for this link. At it I find:

    Ethnic Russians converting to Islam is not a mass process, but 10,000 Russians have done so over the past 15 years (Islamnews.ru, January 31, 2014).

    That is 667 Russians per year “converting” to Islam.

    Of those, many must be spouses of Muslims, which is a special case and different from the other extreme of, say, the head of the Orthodox Church announcing he has converted to Islam.

    Subtracting the spousal conversions and holding this rate for twenty more years, there would be roughly 15,0000 to 20,000 ethnic-Russian Muslims in Russia by 2040. There would be 110 million [?] non-Muslim ethnic-Russians, making Muslims 0.01%. These <20,000 are more likely than anything to melt into the 20 million+ Muslim population.

    Here is another interesting case of Russian Muslims, this one done as a kind of natural experiment of a society conducive to Russian conversion to nominal-Islam:

    There are 54,277 ethnic-Russian Muslims in neighboring Kazakhstan, according to census data

    The 2009 census counted 3.9 million ethnic-Russians in Kazakhstan. Taking this “54,277 ethnic-Russian Muslims” figure at face value,* it suggests that even in a semi-autocratic, nominal-Muslim society with nominal-Muslims in political control and a degree of retreat from ‘Russianism’ — a worst-case scenario for Russia itself, by midcentury — Russians only convert to Islam at a low rate — a cumulative 1.5% after several generations living side by side with Muslims, and twenty years after Kazakhstan independence.

    * – The actual explanation for those 54,277 ethnic-Russian Muslims in Kazakhstan may be more mundane: Spouses (again) and also the case of mixed children, who by law have to have a single ethnic-nationality, I suppose by default through the father, gravitating towards Islam.

    • Replies: @AP
  30. Dan Hayes says:
    @follyofwar

    follyofwar:

    The vote would not have taken place if Putin had not already have liberated (i.e., seized) Crimea.

  31. AP says:
    @Hail

    Ethnic Russians converting to Islam is not a mass process, but 10,000 Russians have done so over the past 15 years (Islamnews.ru, January 31, 2014).

    That is 667 Russians per year “converting” to Islam…Subtracting the spousal conversions and holding this rate for twenty more years, there would be roughly 15,0000 to 20,000 ethnic-Russian Muslims in Russia by 2040.

    This assumed the conversion rate had been constant.

    But, as I said, Russia won’t be going Muslim, but there are converts.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
    , @nebulafox
  32. Cyrano says:
    @AP

    But if there was an American religion all Ukrainians would converted to it in a day. Because, don’t forget – you are part of the west.

  33. @Giuseppe

    An absolutely inane and naive suggestion, Giuseppe. Nearly all of CIA work is in the analysis division, and the Deputy Directorate Of Analysis produces to the highest quality on a vast array of subjects. The President would be dependant on briefings from Naval Intelligence etc, who have their loyalties primarily to their respective services. The President could not function without an intelligence agency that answers solely to the White House. The Bob Woodward “Veil” proposition, that the Deputy Directorate Of Operations be eliminated is equally inane. The DDO runs the human source networks, and human source informants are irreplaceable, they get stuff that sattelites and signals intercepts can never get, in fact the human and machine sources compliment each other. As for the issue of “dirty tricks”, can’t get rid of that, the world runs on dirty tricks, it is the way things have been since the beginning of time, everywhere.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    , @Kestrel
  34. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan Hayes

    Groan…. ):

    How do you define seize? The Russians have always been in Crimea. They were supposed to leave when Pravi Sektor and Azov Battalion started burning people alive?

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  35. SPUnit says:
    @dearieme

    He fired the CIA director and deputy director, and removed all of the CIA’s covert operational role by EO, through ordering that role to be handled by the Dept. of Defense.

    • Replies: @Chet Roman
    , @NoseytheDuke
  36. @PetrOldSack

    Was this comment computer-generated?

    • Replies: @PetrOldSack
  37. @Dan Hayes

    Russia hadn’t seized anything. The Black Sea Fleet had always been stationed there. After the Ukrainian government proposed outlawing the Russian language and ethnic Ukrainians attacked the Crimean parliament, Crimeans, the vast majority of whom are ethnic Russians, moved to hold a referendum.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  38. @Giuseppe

    As I have also argued repeatedly, a new Church Committee is urgently needed. It’s time for honorable members of the Senate of both parties to do their duty.

    The CIA activities restricted by the Church Committee never stopped. They continued “off the books”, financed by drug trafficking, illegal arms sales, and (especially) by kickbacks from legitimate but overpriced arms contracts with Saudi Arabia. The close relationship with the Saudi royal family raises awkward questions about who this part of the CIA is really working for.

    A new Church Committee would only be able to investigate the parts of the CIA that it can see. It is probably impossible for the US government to control the “off-books” parts of the CIA.

  39. refl says:

    Here too there is an inconvenient truth: To the extent that Democrats any longer seriously discuss national security in the context of US-Russian relations, it mostly involves vilifying both Trump and Russian leader Vladimir Putin. (Recall also that previous presidents were free to negotiate with Russia’s Soviet communist leaders, even encouraged to do so, whereas the demonized Putin is an anti-communist, post-Soviet leader.)

    Maybe, the fallacy is to think that Democrats were ever opposed to communism. As one can learn around here, WWII was the joint venture to destroy european national cultures and force them under globalist domination. The Roosevelt administration did about everything to strengthen communism. The current Russian leadership is as sanely nationalist as it gets. Possibly, that is the problem?

    What struck me first, before I woke up, was that the ultimate accusation against Russia – before the Ukraine affair started – was that they were said to be homophopbic. While this can be a fault in the eyes of a dedicated liberal, to anyone who has lived through the Cold War, that accusation was outlandishly irrelevant.
    The problem that liberal globalists have with Russia is exactly their sanity. Saying this, I do not want to insinuate that Republicans are sane, just for the record. They are the other side of the coin in the big charade.

    • Agree: S
    • Replies: @Eagle Eye
    , @S
    , @S
  40. GMC says:

    The Bolsheviks in Russia told everyone that they were a Political Party – just like the Communists Party etc. The Democrats and Republicans say the same thing , but they are more Bolshevik than any American wants to admit. The Wars, the Police state, the original European, African, Native American societies being destroyed is not the best example – if you are pushing for a NWO. It has failed but they are taking down as many as they can – along with their evil Order. This should one of the highest priority, of most writers today. Thanks Unz Rev.

  41. @Dan Hayes

    From which entity? The country – existing as a unity upon the foundation of a constitution, known as Ukraine – stopped being that entity when a bunch of people toppled a constitutionally mandated government with an unconstitutional coup.

    You demand peoples and regions of the former Ukraine remain united? Under what unifying law? The constitution? But the Maidan people tore it apart to get into power. Why would those that take the other side of the debate agree to be governed by law they know their opposition has already, and will again, trod on?

    Practically speaking, Ukraine after Maidan is not the same entity as Ukraine before, as there is no social contract left that everyone is willing to be bound by.

    Crimea being autonomous, had more freedom than the rest to jump ship, and so they did. But any region can now go, because anyone saying ‘but the Constitution bans secession’, forget that the people who speak this within Ukraine are those exact same people who tore the Constitution apart.

    But don’t think it’a just political entities such as Crimea that migrated to Russia of their own wills (as the UN Charter demands), millions of labourers have left for Russia from the remaining entity too, and there was no Putin there at each of their houses, giving personal pep talks over tea about how Russia is better, and how they should migrate accross the border. People chose with their own feet.

    Here’s a question – if tomorrow a bunch of gunmen threw out congress, the judiciary, and the executive from Washington DC, and replaced them with their own – would you consider that the individual states were then still bound to the federal government through the Constitution? Would you demand honour from one side, knowing fullwell that the other side is dishonourable?

    • Agree: GMC
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  42. Gall says:

    We can thank Trump for exposing the deep dark state something some of us always suspected but many didn’t till recently. I think it’s ironic that after being exposed for the underhanded traitors they really are that they are now claiming to save democracy while undermining it for decades.

    As one spook I knew used to say. “You can’t make this stuff up!”

  43. anon[234] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    What ever happened to JFK?

    He got the sack, so did Church.
    The lesson isn’t lost on the present day Legislators, who may be dumb, but they’re not stupid.

    • Agree: Realist
  44. S says:

    Most telling was (and remains) a core “Russiagate” allegation that “Russia attacked American democracy during the 2016 presidential election” on Trump’s behalf—an “attack” so nefarious it has often been equated with Pearl Harbor.

    What’s seemingly bizarre is that these modern day Dems with their ‘Russiagate’ obsession are the very same people who not so many years back would eat up a 1966 movie like ‘The Russians Are Coming, the Russians are Coming’, with it’s message that the Soviet Union along with its Communism was perfectly innocuous (just a laugh really), and the Cold War itself was all a big joke, and pay to see it multiple times.

    It’s not so bizarre, though, as there is an underlining continuity in all this, then and now.

    They hate the organic Russian people and their culture, then and now. That hasn’t changed.

    A USSR of the past with the Russian people safely subjugated/crushed under Soviet Communism, they like and are okay with.

    A Russian Federation where the Russian people appear to have moved away from Communism they don’t like. That’s dangerous.

    Russians shouldn’t necessarily feel too bad though about this as they are not the only people so hated. These sorts hate most peoples which attempt to express their physical and cultural identity, often even their own at times.

    There’s a hatred for most all of humanity there which stems from an underlying self hatred with these types.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Russians_Are_Coming,_the_Russians_Are_Coming

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @annamaria
  45. TKK says:
    @Wilberweld

    When he decided to let Hillary escape indictment, he was revealed as a big mouth bluffer. Biggest mistake that set the tone for spying, Democratic press mandated incitement of treason and the over throw of a legitimate election, while Republicans cowed in the corner= “penalty free activities”.

    He needed to make an example of the Queen Bee.

    If indictments had rained down immediately , down to the AdMin Staff at the Clinton Foundation, Loretta Lynch, Comey, he would have been feared. As Putin is feared. Imagine Putin’s Intelligence Apparatus conspiring against him. He would feed them to his Caucus Mountain Dogs.

    Trump’s silly daughter and her husband are his biggest liabilities- they play both sides of the fiddle, as they want to retain social green lights when he leaves office. That may have worked in a different political climate, but not this one.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    , @anon
  46. Antares says:

    A real president would have locked up the traitors.

    btw. The Cuba crisis was started by the United States. History repeats itself.

  47. gotmituns says:

    Here’s the scoop on why JFK was killed. He made a dangerous speech that Vietnam was a civil war and none of our business and he was going to get our advisers out of there. The Money Power weren’t going to let some mere president get in the way of them making their money with another dumb war.

    • Replies: @refl
  48. Antares says:
    @A123

    dangerous nations, such as Israel & US

    Fixed it for you!

  49. “You want this shit to stop? Then do to Langley what the Germans did to their Stasi.”

    I wish it were so. But read:

    Die Täter sind unter uns by Hubertus Knabe

    • Replies: @refl
  50. @SPUnit

    And, if I recall correctly, the fired CIA Director headed the investigation of JFK’s assassination.

  51. Cohen is delusional. Russia is not going to negotiate about those new weapons with criminal entity that pulled out and broke every single treaty and promise she signed or gave to USSR and Russia. USA should just sign surrender and turn into parochial regional power because USA lost and is internally disintegrating lacking financial, industrial and scientific resources to keep up.

  52. 1) The Democratic establishment is deep……blah…blah…blah
    2) We have also learned that the heads of America’s intelligence agencies under President Obama, especially John Brenn……blah…blah…blah
    3) We also learned that, contrary to Democratic dogma, the mainstream “free press” cannot be fully trusted to readily expose such abuses of power. Inde….blah…blah…blah.
    4) And we have learned, or should have learned, that for all the talk by Democrats about Trump as a danger to US national security, it is their Russiagate allegati…….blah…blah…blah

    Why you do not summarize with three words:
    Jews….Jews….Jews?

  53. @SPUnit

    I recall reading that Dulles continued to run the CIA from his apartment after he was fired, which should tell us who the CIA does not work for.

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
  54. Z-man says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Well, Russia is not “Christian”.

    Yes it is.

    The Bolsheviks smashed Christianity for good. A small minority of the population at this point are devout Orthodox Christians.

    There are more devout Christians in Russia than there are in Italy or even …Amerikwa.

  55. The Orange F**kup never fights back, just leans on his f**king golf club, or tweets thinking it’s the same as taking real action.

    He’s so weak, Q fan fiction had to be invented to stoke the illusion of 38-Dimensional Underwater Quantum Chess.

    He could’ve screwed up everything else as long as he stopped immigration. And we know how that turned out.

  56. BenKenobi says:
    @TKK

    Agreed.

    He should have torn them out root and branch from day one. It’s what everyone on both sides was expecting. He could have been the next Washington.

    All that enthusiasm and optimism, the potential he represented…

    TearsInRain.jpg

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs
  57. What I have learned about Trump is that he is just like all the POTUS since JFK was assassinated and that is that they are all under zionist control and that they all go to war in the mideast or where ever for Israel and create the terrorists that terrorize the mideast and all this is just another day in the zionist ran plantation aka Amerika!

    If anyone doubts that the zionists control America , just remember that Israeli and traitors in the ZUS did the attack on the WTC on 911 and got away with it and every thinking American knows that they did it.

  58. nsa says:

    Cohen……..that’s Scottish, isn’t it?

  59. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    Would you connect the forced emigration to Russia with Israel/Chabad’s land grab of Ukraine as the future breadbasket of Eretz Israel? It’s my understanding that millions of acres have been criminally acquired so far, going back to Chabad front man George Rohr’s NCH Capital in 1993, and more recently dispossessing Ukrainians via civil war orchestrated by the State Department under Nuland’s direction. Are you familiar with Treasury’s Office of Foreign Asset Control? According to Wayne Madsen, you’ll hear Hebrew spoken more than English, posters are in Hebrew, and the de facto function is destroying competition to Chabad’s control of the world diamond trade? My guess is that this mirrors the State Department’s subservience regarding Ukraine as well.

    • Replies: @Ilya G Poimandres
  60. Monsieur Foster 49, thanks much for the reference. CIA, our Stasi, is very aptly summed up the same way, as Kampf gegen Rechts, and it uses the same totalitarian toolkit, inducing pervasive degeneration in the culture itself through compromise, informants, provocateurs, and synthetic conflict. I don’t think we or the Germans should beat ourselves up about it. It’s just a trauma of abuse we’ve undergone. We’re getting over it. The Germans are further along. While BND is still a pernicious corrupting influence on an undeniable NATO bloc satellite state, German civil society is much more robust than that of the US.

    The proof, I think, is German human rights protections, which outclass US performance across the board, particularly in terms of individual complaints procedures. Germans can go over the head of their government to the world. That idea is anathema to the CIA regime that controls the US, because recourse to independent authority is the only effective check on a totalitarian state like CIA.

    https://www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/Indicators/Pages/HRIndicatorsIndex.aspx

    By comparison, it’s amusing to see DCI Gina run off to spank her Saudi cutouts who got caught using Twitter to persecute CIA political enemies. Naturally the Mockingbird media accounts try to distract you with KHASHOGGI!!! and his evil foreign butchers, but you know CIA got every jot and tittle of their take – because we see CIA using Twitter to attack unauthorized opinion every single day. Ahmad Abouammo and Ali Alzabarah are CIA agents. There, I said it, Gina, stick Public Law 97–200 up your jiggly ass. Prosecute me, bitch.

  61. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan Hayes

    Being enigmatic doesn’t help. With what do you agree? (That Russians should have left Crimea?)

    Not to rub it in, but you made a deliberate statement, that Putin had seized Crimea. This wasn’t a simple case of misspeaking. You endorsed [“vote would not have taken place”] the lie that Putin/Russia coerced the referendum. Considering how much trouble this lie has caused, it’s necessary to hold your nose in it.

    • Disagree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  62. Cohen and his ilk have spent most of their lives creating a dialectic that makes the voters believe that one side of it or the other will lead to salvation. Children at least figure out at some point that Santa doesn’t exist, but not the Voters, who argue over whether Republican Liars or Democratic Liars make better “Leaders.”

  63. Eagle Eye says:
    @refl

    The Roosevelt administration did about everything to strengthen communism.

    FDR knowingly surrounded himself with Soviet agents with whom he maintained a symbiotic relationship. We only know the tip of the iceberg – Harry Hopkins, Harry Dexter White, Alger Hiss, etc. FDR protected them, and they protected him, massive government power grabs and intimidation of all opposition including the Supreme Court proceeded smoothly.

    Key events during FDR’s reign (sic) including Lend-Lease, America’s entry into World War II, Bretton Woods, Cairo, Yalta, Potsdam etc. and the comprehensive shredding of the Constitution only make sense if this mechanism is understood.

    This is not to say that America did not have its own proud tradition of dictatorship under the guise of wartime emergency rule in the proud tradition of St. Abe Lincoln and St. Woodrow Wilson.

    The current Russian leadership is as sanely nationalist as it gets. Possibly, that is the problem?

    Precisely. In 2019, loyal Americans find themselves having to pray for the health of Mother Russia.

  64. @dearieme

    Kennedy worship is prevalent here, no matter how incorrect or ridiculous. If Kennedy despised the CIA so much why did he go along with them on the plot to remove South Vietnam’s President Ngo Dinh Diem, which led to Diem’s murder? Robert Kennedy and LBJ both advised JFK against the plot.
    http://saigonecho.us/index.php/history-of-vn/vietnam-war/35-jfk-and-the-diem-coup

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  65. @Johnny Walker Read

    JFK was going to pull out of Vietnam, and the zionists wanted a war and so assassinated JFK over this and JFK’s executive order 11110 which would end the FED, read the book by Col. L. Fletcher Prouty, JFK , the CIA and Vietnam, can be had on amazon, do some research.

  66. @Anonymous

    No, this is news to me (I’m only recently broken from the machine’s propaganda though!). I know that the US is pushing for Ukraine’s farmland to be sold off to the West, not surprised that the 40% of Western money that is Jewish will be rubbing its hands. Certainly makes sense given the history of organised Jewry’s love for the area. https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/164673/crimea-as-jewish-homeland shows this is an old idea.

    To be honest, I don’t know the general farming practices of Israeli agribusiness, but I doubt it is as terrible as the US’ version. If Ukraine is to be lost, at least to business that won’t degrade the land instantly.

  67. bcos says:
    @mark green

    mark green said: “Haven’t our media overlords heard?–the Soviet Union is dead.

    In its place is Christian Russia. So why the enmity?”

    We used to hate/oppose the Soviet Union because its Communism represented godless atheism, while the US represented Christianity.

    The hatred of Russia continues, but for the opposite reasons – the script has been flipped. Russia is back to being more Christian, but the US has been transformed into alignment with values & a mindset which are more Jewish now:

    “They [whoever] are out to get us because they hate us for our freedoms/genius/exceptionalism. So, we must preemptively get them first. We’re ‘chosen,’ therefore we have a God-given right to subdue others who are beneath us. Christian values are hate-filled & judgemental. We must overcome our past traditions and latch onto new values – tolerance of all deviant & excessive forms of sexuality, and rejection of traditional religion, whether Christianity or Islam.”

  68. Durruti says:
    @Norm Corin

    Rand Paul, and possibly Bernie Sanders, are not honorable — sufficiently honorable — to propose if not accomplish this?

    Sanders talks Peace, but votes for the Military Budget (50% of the total National budget). Real Socialist Eugene Debs,’ Socialist Party members in Congress voted AGAINST America’s military appropriations. Debs was jailed by Democrap Pres Wilson for 4 years – for the crime of Opposing the American entry into World War I.

    Sanders is a MOSSAD Agent – posing as a decent human. Debs was America’s last Socialist. His Party was broken up & 6000 of his supporters were deported from the US (without Trial), by Wilson’s Democrap Atty Gen. Palmer. His actions are known to History – as the Palmer Days.

    One may have sympathy for Senator Rand Paul (6 broken ribs & one punctured lung & a Great Father), but Sanders is a Zionist TRAITOR. Sanders serves a Foreign Power, and the Devil’s morality (he did not hold a job until he was 40 – HUH???).

    While we are at it. Has anyone objected to the slandering & isolating of Democrap Presidential Condidate – Tulsi Gabbard? She is receiving the Ron Paul treatment, as some Oligarchs view her as a threat (being difficult to control). I do not know her; but where is the outrage when a Veteran is slandered, a woman veteran at that? Women’s Libbers???

    Honor & Sanders may not be used in the same connection.

    We might Restore the Republic!

    God Bless!

    Durruti

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
    , @sarz
  69. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @TKK

    When he decided to let Hillary escape indictment, he was revealed as a big mouth bluffer. Biggest mistake that set the tone for spying….

    The covert action against Trump began in early 2016 (perhaps late 2015) with creation of the Trump Task Force by the CIA — long before he had any authority to prosecute Hillary.

    The coup against Trump, that began before he was elected, is openly acknowledged today. This radio segment includes clip of “thank God for the Deep State” comment at Intelligence Forum from George Mason University. Love Trump or hate him, he represents our democratic system under attack.

    The DNC’s Collusion With The Deep State w/ Larry Johnson

  70. anonymous[307] • Disclaimer says:

    [[The current state of US-Russian relations is unprecedentedly dangerous, not only due to reasons cited here—a new Cold War fraught with the possibility of hot war. ]]

    Why zionist closets lies so openly to frighten people to force them to accept their lies?

    The pro Israel lobby has many sides, one of these side is coming from the ‘academic’ and in the field of Russian studies to create a good relation between US and Russia, so the Jewish mafia baby killers can benefit the MOST from both sides.

    Trump and Putin are both member of Jewish mafia and both are in the service of the zionist tribe and Israel, that’s why all these importers trying to keep Trump, which has brought up with the NY zionist jews and is surrounded by all criminal zionist mafia and has transferred so much stolen land for the criminal tribe to stay in power.
    One stooge after another stooge is attacking ‘democrats’ for being evil because they don’t want Trump, who is in bed with Putin the Jewish pimp, cooperate with Putin and Russia to transfer more GOODIES to the Tribe, like what they did recently in Syria.

    An evil plan was implemented in secret against Syria and Muslims and for the interest of zionists and apartheid entity to steal Syrian oil by Trump and occupy Syrian by a thug, Erdugon to erect ‘safe zone’ all these treason was conducted and directed by the zionist servant PUTIN.

    The ‘professor’ must know someone here is stupid, but is not US.

    The closet zionists are trying hard to bring Russia and US as NATURAL ALLIES against others and for the apratheid entity and baby killers. If you look at the conduct of Russia and Putin, you get the picture.

    We are not stupid and hold both US and Putin apologists as enemy of humanity.

    [We also learned that, contrary to Democratic dogma, the mainstream “free press” cannot be fully trusted to readily expose such abuses of power. ]

    No one trust the zionist media, however, you trust the lies of Trump, because Trump and Putin protect the interest of the criminal Tribe. That’s why you want him in office.

    If you are really concerned about the safety of US and interest of the Americans, then you MUST expose Trump foreign policy which is based on Israel and Jewish mafia interest which is against American interest, but you don’t do that, do you. Only Russia and US, two powers cooperate in the region to benefit the zionist tribe and ‘greater Israel’.

    Noam Chomsky, an imposter, also mislead the public for ‘greater Israel’ and promoting US occupation of Syria, where Trump never intended to leave and he only lies about it, because NC wants Oded Yinon takes place and that means second Israel in the region under ‘kurdistan’ where the zionists will take this wish into their graves.

    The zionsit tribe is still wants to save the project where needs full cooperation of Trump and Putin. That’s why we have so many stooges as Putin apologists for the sake of Israel.

    Americans must seek their interest and that means control of the zionist tribe in every department incluiding US treasury where is run by the zionist Jews under most pro Israel ‘president’ Trump regime and its extension Putin.

    For the security of American people and US, The US treasury under control of zionist pro Iserael must be exposed and condemned all over the world. Stop illegal sanction which is killing thousands of people. That’s only benefit the apartheid entity.

    Go and write about this.

  71. @Durruti

    I don’t know if you have read the book By Way of Deception by ex mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky, it is a eye opener and can be had on amazon.

  72. @Desert Fox

    Correct. But WHY did the zionists want The United States in a war in Vietnam? The primary reason is they intended to invade the West Bank in 1967, and needed the American public, and the world, thoroughly distracted. Secondary reasons were, the war would make the US look evil in the eyes of the world(a long term joooish goal completed by the post 9/11 berserking), cause huge economic loss to America(which greatly helped their goal of economic ruin for America), and cause social chaos in America(if you were against the war you could be labeled a “traitor”, and any amount of violence against you was OK/ the social chaos provided a smoke screen behind which the jooooz could run other programs of erosion against America). The vehicle for getting the US in Vietnam was LBJ, who under jooooish law was ACTUALLY A JOOOO. LBJ’s mother was a crypto-joooo, as was her mother and her mother’s mother. Search: Was LBJ Jewish?, it is crystal clear.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  73. LSJohn says:
    @mark green

    Excellent up to the penultimate line. We need to be in the habit of treating “Jews” “Israelis” and “zionists” as three distinct groups. There are many, many in the first two of those that deserve our respect and, often, support.

  74. nebulafox says:
    @AP

    I think the thing to understand is that Russia has had a prominent Muslim minority for several centuries longer than the West, and so they have a different relationship with them. The Jews get all the press, but Islam was the second largest religion in Tsarist Russia next to Orthodox Christianity, not Judaism. They know how to deal with them and coexist in a fashion (
    things got really ugly for a bit in the late 1910s and 1920s when people who hated all religion came to power, coinciding with Islamic inspired anti-colonial revolts in Central Asia) and it shouldn’t be surprising that in the 21st Century, there’s more racial mixing than there used to be.

    Putin has actually come under fire from the Russian version of the alt-right for allowing so much Central Asian Islamic immigration.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  75. Dan Hayes says:
    @anon

    anon[113]:

    Let’s put it this way –

    1. How would you describe Putin’s Crimean actions if not seizure? Occupation? Reabsorption into the Russian Motherland?

    2. And let’s be clear that Putin’s actions in Crimea enabled (not coerced) the holding of a free referendum that the renegade Kiev regime would never have permitted to see the light of day.

    3. And for what it’s worth I always have been comfortable with Putin’s Crimean actions.

  76. @Bombercommand

    Agree, recommend these books on the attack on the USS Liberty, which go into the background on this, Blood in the Water by Joan Mellen and Remember the Liberty by Phillip Nelsen and both of these books have contributions by the survivors.

    These two books will shock the hell out of patriot Americans, both can be had on amazon and I have them.

  77. Ram says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Christianity survived the Bolsheviks in Russia, and they are far better Christians today than are the Americans. Why ? Because the Bolsheviks of yesterday have had greater success destroying Christianity in the US at present.

  78. nebulafox says:
    @nebulafox

    Comment timed out before I finished, but I was going to add: one thing I found very telling was that the Tsars, for the most part, were far more sure of the loyalty of their long-time Muslim subjects than their more recently added Catholic and Jewish ones. It’s probably why the outbreak of basmachi violence took the government so off guard in 1916.

  79. nebulafox says:
    @Desert Fox

    No, he wasn’t.

    No, JFK probably did not want the Vietnam War, but neither did any President from Truman to Ford. It did not stop them from being unwilling to face hard political realities regarding Vietnam, each and every one of them. After Diem’s death, American armies on the ground was a fait accompli assuming realistic government trajectories in the mid-1960s, as the South Vietnamese proceeded to have over 20 governments in the next four years. Kennedy didn’t order the overthrow of Diem, as subsequent generations of right-wingers like to imagine-Diem was overthrown by Vietnamese for Vietnamese reasons-but his administration did ultimately approve of the regime change which turned out to have such disastrous consequences.

    Ho Chi Minh himself stated that he genuinely couldn’t believe the Americans would be so stupid as to encourage Diem’s overthrow, and I can see why Uncle Ho thought that.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
    , @Sparkon
  80. @A123

    Russia and the US are not enemies, potentially, but subject to the aims of the respective populations. The US still aims for world hegemony, whether in ideology or practice. Russia doesn’t.

    Practically, given the 100+year war on Russia from the combined west (WWI, Bolshevism, Holodomor, WWII, cold war, rape of the 90’s, sanctions regime), to say they are not enemies is speaking of worthy and valid ideals, but not of the practical state of affairs on the ground.

    As for advanced military tech, Lao Tzu said “a nation’s greatest weapons cannot be displayed”. We will likely never know what happened, daily mail speculation aside. But imo, you have accidents when you push the envelope, and you don’t when you don’t. Nobel created TNT, but he didn’t get to his achievement without a price. The US doesn’t have accidents – because it is in no way pushing its technology to the limit.

  81. sarz says:
    @Durruti

    Ron Paul’s Audit the Fed bill that passed overwhelmingly in the House was gutted in the Senate by none other than its senate sponsor, Bernie Sanders.

    Ron Paul expresses his dismay:

    Interestingly, Tulsi Gabbard has come out for auditing the Fed. Look forward to seeing the issue brought up in debates.

    • Agree: Durruti
  82. @nebulafox

    LBJ wanted the war, and if you read Col. L. Fletcher Proutys book JFK, the CIA and Vietnam, you will see why, can be had on amazon.

  83. Anonymous[227] • Disclaimer says:
    @S

    Not so bizarre. Establishment Democrats sold out their working class roots years ago and have allied themselves w Wall St. and Neocon/Neoliberal ideology. Hillary Clinton is the prime example.

    That alliance is strongly anti-Russia because Russia is the only country that can resist US domination due to its military technology. In its desire for hegemony the US wants to crush Russia. (China will eventually become a bigger threat and the US may implode from internal economic issues).

    Control of oil and gas resources, pipeline routes, petrodollar, support for Israel, keeping the military industrial complex humming all factor in.

    Trump was the big surprise in the last election and his friendly attitude towards Russia threatened the Establishment.

  84. renfro says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Wrong…..as Z man said Russia is very Christian…….so much so that the US Christian group…I think its called Families USA….held a Christian conference in Russia several years ago.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  85. S says:
    @refl

    Maybe, the fallacy is to think that Democrats were ever opposed to communism.

    Well, the Democrat party has long liked to trace their origins back to Thomas Jefferson.

    And sure enough, Thomas Jefferson was majorly involved with the nascent Communist French Revolution (Jefferson co-wrote the 1789 Declaration of the Rights of Man with Lafayette and one other person) and as the US minister in France was overall a big time supporter of the French revolutionaries.

    This is the same French Revolution which introduced to the world ‘the Commune’, ‘counter-revolution’, the ‘political commissar’, ‘whites’, the mass arrests and mass murder of the ‘great terror’, and ultimately ‘red republicanism’, all of which 20th century Soviet Communism would evolve from.

    The Russian Bolsheviks of 1918 would no doubt be in whole hearted agreement with Jefferson’s sentiments regarding the French Revolution:

    When the execution of French aristocrats escalated in 1792, Jefferson remained committed to the cause of revolution:

    “My own affections have been deeply wounded by some of the martyrs to this cause, but rather than it should have failed, I would have seen half the earth desolated…

    But, what’s this?

    Thomas Jefferson was also one of the heaviest hitters in the creation of the Capitalist 1776 American Revolution, the revolution which first had as its symbol the flag of the multi-national corporation British East India Company, aka the ‘Grand Union’ flag. Jefferson was the writer of the US ‘Declaration of Independence’.

    Similarly, Thomas Paine was another very heavy hitter of the 1776 Capitalist revolution majorly involved with the 1789 French Communist Revolution. He wrote The book ‘The Rights of Man’ and served in the revolutionary French government.

    Seems Ben Franklin as US Minister to France likely was also involved in setting the early stages of the French Revolution in motion, amongst some probable other veterans of the 1776 Revolution.

    How can that all be if Capitalism and Communism are diametrically opposed to each other?

    Could it be that from their foundations that Capitalism and Communism were always intended to merge and synthesize with each other just as we have been seeing for quite a few years now?

    Saying this, I do not want to insinuate that Republicans are sane, just for the record. They are the other side of the coin in the big charade.

    Yes, this would seem so.

    The peoples of the world and humanity as a whole has been being ‘played’ on a mass scale since the Capitalist and Communist Revolutions of 1776 and 1789 respectively. The traumas of two hundred plus years of a manufactured, faux, and ultimately controlled, so called ‘progressive’ Hegelian Dialetic of ‘Capitalist’/’Communist’, ‘left’/’right’, ‘conservative’/’liberal’, etc, that has been unfolding ever since is (it would appear) to culminate in a final ‘synthesis’ of WWIII.

    Naturally this is for everyone’s ultimate good, or, so they say.

    https://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/french-revolution

  86. Wally says:
    @A123

    Yawn.

    You’re one those hasbarist nutters that believes in impossible ‘Nazi gas chambers’.

    Hardly the mind of a rational, credible analyst.

    • Replies: @Herald
  87. Johan says:

    We have also learned that democracy (with its politicized masses)- combined with the media apparatus and technology by means of which news is distributed over the whole planet, technology mostly used by frauds, rascals, liars and fanatics- brings about collective hysteria, delusion and psychosis. It also leads to large scale low brow paranoia (paranoia of mass man, aside of paranoia of establishments), and as such to a very wide range of conspiracy theories, as not all of these theories can be right, a great deal of people engaged in them suffer delusional paranoia.

    Why can this be attributed to democracy? Because democracy revolves around politicized mass man, while people have always been delusional simply because of our inherent ignorance, and because of motives to gain power, democracy, being founded upon politicized mass man makes man utterly delusional as his mind is constantly worked on by an army of perception managers. An industry of perception managers who employ all their combined intelligence, all their skills of manipulation, both their competence and incompetence, utilizing all the technology available, in order to spread either or all, their own ignorance, their own delusions, their convenient framings and their lies.

    So the democratic Western world, regardless of political flavour, is at large is delusional, a sick mental patient.

  88. @Realist

    Maybe that’s how it should be. The Achilles heel of democracy is the undeniable fact that the majority of people have their time and mental capacity maxed simply taking care of themselves. Is it at all realistic to have a political system rely on them to use their scant surplus of either resource to thoroughly understand the details and implications of even a fraction of the important issues?

    Despite centuries of devotion to Reason, the actual implementation has not caught on for the majority. How much more evidence do we need that putting people in charge of their own governance is like letting children make their own choices? The few who can be responsible will always be drowned out by the many who want candy for dinner. By the time they learn that it makes them sick, another generation follows that refuses to listen — increasingly, is encouraged not to listen.

    The Deep State is the wrong answer, but maybe not primarily because it’s undemocratic and secretive. A Deep State that actually worked for the good of the people would be the ideal solution. I’m at a loss as to how that could ever be achieved or maintained without abuse though.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @anon
    , @MarkinLA
  89. nebulafox says:
    @renfro

    Meh. Orthodox Christianity still plays a deeply important role in cultural identification for Russians, but they aren’t all that pious in terms of actual belief or day-to-day-practice a la the Tsarist days. Nearly a century of state atheism did its work there.

    Even in the Islamic parts of the former USSR out in Central Asia, the local brand of Islam is very secularized, to the point where vodka is easily available.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  90. @James N. Kennett

    Probably on one of James Thompson´s indicated Google-AI-server-farms.

  91. Joe Webb says:

    Beating around the bush is evident in some of these posts.

    The Bush is Israel/Jews. I stipulate to not spending a lot of time researching the Jew Factor with regard to Deep State and Ukraine.

    However, our Neocons are part of the long pedigree credentials of Jewish hatred of Russia, that stretches back to Stalin and forward to Putin’s crackdown on Russia’s Jewish oligarchs, and into the present with The Dem Party and its Deep State stirring the pot of hate toward Russia.

    The obvious and plainly seen connection of Israel’s hands both internationally and domestically here in the US, with War Party rants against Israel’s front line enemies, Iran, Syria, Hamas , Hisbollah, and Palestinians generally, is the natural starting point for any analysis.

    Tump is Enemy #1 for the Jewish Power because he continues to talk some of a Palestine state.

    (f Trump was a fake, in this regard, why mention it at all?). Fox News has close to zero coverage of Israel….following the liberal…’if you cannot say anything good about somebody, don’t say anything at all’)

    Tucker Carlson now and then peeps a little bit of protest, and where is there any media criticism of neocons, etc?

    The best lie is a lie that is not too often repeated, and only couched in tepid terms….as in background noise.

    Tucker Carlson , a few months ago had on a couple guests…Greenwald and a military guy…and Tucker lobbed a softball to them..why all these wars in the Middle East. One of them simply said, Riyadh and Tel-Aviv. Tucker said nothing more.

    So let a better informed writer than myself, take on this matter.

    War for the Jews.

    Joe Webb

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  92. @mark green

    Haven’t our media overlords heard?–the Soviet Union is dead.

    In its place is Christian Russia. So why the enmity?

    The reason for the enmity is explained in your question. The Soviet Union, which was for most of its existence viewed by most of the American left as a moral model, is dead.

    Russia has apostasized from the Marxist-Leninist cult to which most of the American left continues to be tacitly if not indeed overtly loyal. Russia has ceased to be communist and resumed being Russian. Our media overlords know this all too well, and they resent it.

    Marx held that communism was historically inevitable. His votaries are unhappy that, at least for the time being, this “progress” has been reversed. They blame Russia for this. Remember Obama’s proclamation that “the arc of history bends towards justice”? This was simply a variation on the Marxist theme of inevitable communist triumph. Obama was going to bring about a “fundamental transformation” of America. Trump has undone this. It logically follows, in their way of thinking, that the apostate Russians who spoilt the Bolshevist dream must have helped the reactionary Trump in spoiling their plans for America.

  93. @mark green

    Haven’t our media overlords heard?–the Soviet Union is dead.

    In its place is Christian Russia. So why the enmity?

    I think you just answered your own question!

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  94. S says:
    @refl

    Come to think about it, and though Anthony Sutton has written on the subject in the past, it’s too bad Alexander Solzhenitsyn didn’t live long enough to explore this faux dialectic in book form.

    He could have called it Capitalism and Communism; Two Hundred Years Together. 😉

  95. tyrone says:

    Has this Russian interference ever been proved ,repeated ad nauseam assertions are not proof or is it like the “chemical attacks” in Syria?….bs all the way

  96. When future historian solve the problem of America they will note how the Federal Govt became a pimp for the Jew Banking Cartel in 1913.
    Destruction from that point forward wasn’t inevitable. It took a lot of work to get where we are today. It has been over 100 years of relentless implementation of their satanic-luciferian agenda.
    Now Washington, D.C. is captive of the City of London, a financial superpower with branches across the world (over 150 Central Banks).
    The European Black Nobility and the Khazar-Ashkenazi Mafia run this oppressive system. Pretty soon, they will tax every family with an annual sacrifice of a live human being to feed their bloodthirsty god, Moloch.
    For now they are content to steal our children but as their blood lust grows they will demand more and more.

  97. Realist says:
    @Sollipsist

    Your points are all right on.

    The Deep State is the wrong answer, but maybe not primarily because it’s undemocratic and secretive. A Deep State that actually worked for the good of the people would be the ideal solution. I’m at a loss as to how that could ever be achieved or maintained without abuse though.

    Exactly my thoughts. A true meritocracy may be the answer. But achieving that would be a battle. The Deep State will not go quietly into the good night.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    , @TomSchmidt
  98. Cyrano says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    I think that the Russian Federation should actually issue a travel ban advisory to its citizens for travel to US. Under the current hysteria, it’s illegal to be a Russian in US. It offends their sense of patriotism.

    The formula that they came up with in order to test the “patriotism” of their citizens is quite simple: Russia hating = patriot. Until sometime in the future they find a similarly complex formula to define their patriotism – substituting Russia with someone else – Russia should ban all travel to that place. Maybe, after civilized behavior returns to some degree, then they can think about lifting the travel ban completely.

  99. @Giuseppe

    A new Church committee would do about as much good as the original one did. It might differ in respect that there are fewer (read none) honorable senators now. Any such committee now would probably just put an indelible stamp of approval on CIA domestic espionage.

    If the goal is to perpetuate a problem, form a Congressional committee to deal with it.

  100. nickels says:

    Gorbachev and his ‘democracy’.
    How stupid.
    Divine Tsardom or autocracy any day.

  101. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Twodees, very true. Here’s what has to be done:

    https://www.dw.com/en/the-last-day-of-the-stasi/a-1459519

  102. Twodees, exactly correct. Here’s what we will have to do.

    https://www.dw.com/en/the-last-day-of-the-stasi/a-1459519

    We’re going to have to shave the heads of some congressional collaborators too.

  103. Bookish1 [AKA "rochester"] says:

    Bottom line is this: Some people are afraid of Trump might do if he is re-elected and doesn’t have to worry about a future election. He might be a loose cannon in the minds of some people. For instance maybe he will transfer funds from welfare rolls to building the wall or something like that. Maybe Jews are worried also. Maybe he will change his tune on Israel. The point is no one knows and a lot of people are worried. So they got to get him now while they can is their reasoning.

  104. Herald says:
    @Wally

    He’s almost certainly being paid to believe the impossible, it would be even sadder if he wasn’t.

    • Replies: @Wally
  105. renfro says:

    McCarthy style Hearings on subversion might be more in order than Church hearings.
    Of course it would have to be held by a ‘Citizens Committee’ as the subjects of the hearing would be congresspeople themselves and various other Us actors..

    While US dams, bridges ,infrastructure crumble and collapse and the apocalypse of the homeless spreads the only emergency in DC is our running out of precision guided munitions because we transferred them to the Israel stockpile for their use. So naturally congress must appropriate more of our tax money to buy some for US use to make up for it.

    https://taskandpurpose.com/air-force-munitions-shortage-defense-budget?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation&spotim_referrer=recirculation&spot_im_comment_id=sp_cSbgkuIl_air-force-munitions-shortage-defense-budget_c_W6xuJJ

    The Air Force’s munitions shortage is about to get even worse
    Jared Keller November 07, 2019 at 09:05 AM
    Military Tech
    The Air Force is currently in the middle of a major precision guided munitions shortage stretching back nearly four years — and according to the service’s top general, budget jousting in Congress could prove “truly damaging” to the Pentagon’s ability to fix the problem.

    Text – H.R.1837 – 116th Congress (2019-2020): United States …
    https://www.congress.gov › bill › house-bill › text
    Joint assessment of quantity of precision guided munitions for use by Israel. ….. to transfer to Israel precision guided munitions from reserve stocks for Israel in …..

    Russia is not the enemy
    Iran is not the enemy
    Hezbollah is not the enemy
    Hamas is not the enemy
    ISI is not the enemy

    Our enemy is Isr’merica and 535 members of congress, the zionist infested WH and 520 Jewish organizations, think tanks and individuals and the Zionist US main stream media.

    All suggestions for how to get rid of them welcomed.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  106. Sparkon says:
    @nebulafox

    Yes he was.

    On October 11, 1963, President Kennedy approved NSAM-263, which recommended withdrawing U.S. personnel from Vietnam beginning in Dec. 1963, and completing the withdrawal by the end of 1965.

    On October 2, 1963, Kennedy received the report of a mission to Saigon by McNamara and Maxwell Taylor, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS). The main recommendations, which appear in Section I(B) of the McNamara-Taylor report, were that a phased withdrawal be completed by the end of 1965 and that the “Defense Department should announce in the very near future presently prepared plans to withdraw 1,000 out of 17,000 U.S. military personnel stationed in Vietnam by the end of 1963.” At Kennedy’s instruction, Press Secretary Pierre Salinger made a public announcement that evening of McNamara’s recommended timetable for withdrawal.

    Exit Strategy: In 1963, JFK ordered a complete withdrawal from Vietnam — JAMES K. GALBRAITH

  107. @Giuseppe

    Add FBI, NSA, DSA … repeal the Patriot Act, the AUMF, the FIASA court, prosecute all the violations of the Constitution, stop the persecution of Assange, Manning, & co., and reestablish the rule of law.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  108. @anonymous

    Pat Buchanan, russophobic? You obviously haven’t read many of his writings.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  109. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sollipsist

    Saying people are too busy (accurately, I think) you are much more generous than @Realist, who says they’re too dumb. Either way, you’re both right that it’s absurd to imagine that average people are qualified to make the vast array of decisions required to run a nation, much less a planet.

    There is already a meritocracy working in China, where a class of professional planners and directors run the country. And if anyone’s less gifted cousin gets a position in the bureaucracy… meh… that happens in any system, but they don’t get too far in China where promotion is based on accomplishment. As opposed to US where the creep [Gordon Sondland] who donated a million dollars to Trump’s inauguration fund got a plum appointment as Ambassador to EU, only to come out now to stab Trump in the back because he doesn’t know the first thing about Ukraine, its puppet regime, or its collusion with the DNC in 2016.

    Even so, they [the Chinese] have had a rocky road of trial and error, with occasional doses of corruption and sycophantism.

  110. iffen says:
    @S

    and served in the revolutionary French government

    Wasn’t most of that service performed from a prison?

    • Replies: @S
  111. JAhd says:

    “Cohen” lol

    Honk
    Honk

  112. @nebulafox

    Koran prohibits “fermented juice of the grape”. So, vodka is perfectly halal.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  113. S says:
    @iffen

    Paine appears to have served in the French National Convention for a little over a year as a free man, but then was arrested and served eleven months in a French prison.

    James Monroe arranged his release.

    Wiki says Paine did some writing while imprisoned but doesn’t address whether he continued his French governmental duties while in the clink.

    Irregardless, he kept his head which was better than some. 😉

    Paine fled to France [from England] in September [1792] where, despite not being able to speak French, he was quickly elected to the French National Convention. The Girondists regarded him as an ally. Consequently, the Montagnards, especially Maximilien Robespierre, regarded him as an enemy. James Monroe got him sprung.

    In December 1793, he was arrested and was taken to Luxembourg Prison in Paris. While in prison, he continued to work on The Age of Reason (1793–1794). James Monroe, a future President of the United States, used his diplomatic connections to get Paine released in November 1794.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Paine

  114. Ian Smith says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    They hate Russia because of stories they’ve heard about Cossacks burning their great grandfather’s shtetl.

  115. @Desert Fox

    You want the entire scoop on Vietnam, including Kennedy’s part in the early escalation I suggest you read The Phoenix Program by Douglas Valentine. Kennedy is not nearly the anti-war angle you make him out to be.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  116. @S

    Many good points here that people will simply ignore. I do believe many of these early “rights of man” folks had good intentions, and were themselves in a state of sheer disbelief how quickly and violently the French Revolution turned. Many were not aware of Adam Weishaupt and his band of merry Illuminist, nor that the whole mess was just another form of enslavement. I truly believe many were only seeking to escape the yoke of the Monarch’s and the Church.

    Another American hero who is no where near the man he is portrayed as is dear old George Washington. Although I’m not a big an of Stefan Molyneux, he does an amazing job of exposing George for who he was in this video. It is quite long at 2 1/2 hours but well worth every minute if you really want the truth.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @S
  117. @Bombercommand

    ” The President could not function without an intelligence agency that answers solely to the White House.”

    Are you saying that the president relies on the DCI as his primary intelligence advisor? That hasn’t been the case since ’05 when the IRTPA was enacted, creating the office of the DNI.

    Are you trying to claim that the CIA answers solely to the president? That’s laughable. The DCI may answer to the president, but his active agents can’t even be said to answer to him, regardless of the supposed chain of command.

    If you’re a spook yourself, tell me whether you see yourself as answerable to some political appointee who doesn’t know what you do, or if he/she did, even understands what you do. Looking at those who have been directors of the agency in the past, we can see how insubordinate holders of that office always have been.

    That fatass, Pompeo is still insubordinate as Secretary of State. He didn’t just become an insubordinate asshole who plays for himself and his own team when he was appointed to head the State dept. Haspell is likely just as bad, though she gets little attention from the media.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  118. anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:
    @Isthatright

    See reply (#14) to Dan Hayes.

  119. anaccount says:

    “The existence of a secret and IRRESPONSIBLE government does not worry him (Americans). It has been here since 1863 and he takes it as a matter of course. It gets worse daily and hourly.”

    – Ezra Pound, 1943

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
  120. @Desert Fox

    Here we go again. It is time to put another “Kennedy The Great” myth to bed. Learn the truth, if you dare.

    [MORE]

    E.O. 11110

    The notion that Federal Reserve Notes are especially harmful has given rise to one particular conspiracy theory relating to an executive order in 1963. According to author Jim Mars, Executive Order 11110 issued by President Kennedy on June 4, 1963 authorized the issuance of $4,292,893,815 in United States Notes. Mars further asserts that after President Kennedy’s assassination, the order was never carried out.
    The claim is not borne out by the facts. First, E.O. 11110 had nothing to do with United States Notes, and did not affect any section of law referring to them. Second, E.O. 11110 did not anywhere mention any quantity of money; wherever the $4 billion-plus figure came from, it was not E.O. 11110. Third, The President had no authority to issue such an edict. Even utilizing the provisions of the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933, the most the President could issue without statutory authorization was $3 billion.

    What E.O. 11110 did was to modify previous Executive Order 10289, delegating to the Secretary of the Treasury various powers of the President. To these delegated powers, E.O. 11110 added the power to alter the supply of Silver Certificates in circulation. Executive Order 11110, therefore, did not create any new authority for the Treasury to issue notes; it only affected who could give the order, the Secretary or the President.

    The reason for the move was that the President had just signed legislation repealing the Silver Purchase Act. With this repeal, the Treasury Secretary could no longer control the issue of Silver Certificates on his own authority. However, the issuance of certificates could be controlled under the President’s authority. Hence, for administrative convenience, President Kennedy issued Executive

    Order 11110.

    Ironically, the purpose of the order and the legislation was to decrease the circulation of Silver Certificates, with Federal Reserve Notes taking their place. As economic activity grew and prices rose in the 1950s and early 1960s, the need for small-denomination currency grew at the same time that the price of silver increased. The Treasury required silver for the increasing number of Silver Certificates and coins needed for transactions. But the price of silver was rapidly approaching the point that the silver in the coins and in reserve for the certificates was worth more than the face value of the money.

    To conserve on the silver needs of the Treasury, President Kennedy requested legislation needed to bring the issuance of Silver Certificates to an end and to authorize the Fed to issue small denomination notes (which it could not at that time). The Fed began issuing small denomination notes almost immediately after the legislation was passed. And in October 1964, the Treasury ceased issuing Silver Certificates altogether. If anything, E.O. 11110 enhanced Federal Reserve power and did not in any way reduce it.

    http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/FRS-myth.htm#hd16

    If anything, E.O. 11110 enhanced Federal Reserve power and did not in any way reduce it
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jfk-not-killed-in-fed-con_b_4287519?guccounter=1

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  121. refl says:
    @gotmituns

    He was killed over threatening Israel for secretly (or rather not so secretly) building nuclear weapons. Read Michael Collins Piper “Final Judgement” – any person to run for US-president knows that film and must wonder, how more then half a century ago it was already possible to kill a popular President in plain daylight in front of thousands of people and with cameras all over the place. The icing on the cake was to have it filmed even. And the icing on the icing was to have Nixon in Dallas that morning.
    That Nixon ended in disgrace probably had merit, but it certainly did not save democracy

  122. Wally says:
    @Herald

    Indeed:

    “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it”.

    – Upton Sinclair

  123. @Twodees Partain

    You are engaged in inane quibbling over word definitions, plus a straw man fallacy. No where did I write that The President relies on the Director of the CIA as his “primary intelligence advisor” (the straw man). I meant “answers to” when I should have written “reports to as well as takes orders from The President”, but I was trying to be succinct(the inane quibbling). I do believe my remarks should be clear, as I was referring to the CIA’s primary role as a source of ANALYSIS of anything and everything the President might need to make a decision. Your use of the word ” spook” for a CIA Agent reflects an excessively glamorized idea of what CIA Agents do, in reality they are specialized academics. And, yes, if I had the privilege to work for the CIA, I would work my tail off to provide my superiors with the highest quality analysis in my specialty. I would give them the unvarnished truth, that is what I owe my President and my country. If they want to twist my reports to their political agenda, that would be their problem. This is what irritated Ambassador Martin(Saigon) in 1974. Martin ordered the CIA to produce a report that the Soviets were giving Hanoi waaaay more aid than the US gave Saigon. The CIA refused, and gave him the truth, Martin didn’t like that.

  124. @renfro

    Hamas is a Mossad front.

    • Replies: @renfro
  125. @Johnny Walker Read

    Read JFK, the CIA and Vietnam, by Col. L. Fletcher Prouty, and I stand by what I said.

  126. Israel runs America and has been in control since shortly after they engineered the death of JFK. No American in DC has any influence. Those at the CIA, have no idea that they are pawns of the Mossad.

  127. Durruti says:
    @S

    And sure enough, Thomas Jefferson was majorly involved with the nascent Communist French Revolution (Jefferson co-wrote the 1789 Declaration of the Rights of Man with Lafayette and one other person) and as the US minister in France was overall a big time supporter of the French revolutionaries.

    This is the same French Revolution which introduced to the world ‘the Commune’, ‘counter-revolution’, the ‘political commissar’, ‘whites’, the mass arrests and mass murder of the ‘great terror’, and ultimately ‘red republicanism’, all of which 20th century Soviet Communism would evolve from.

    The new Zionist approved ‘History’ of America furiously trashes Our American Revolutionary Leaders. Few are spared. Our Founders were a mixed breed of idealists, to land thieves, and genociders. But none of them traveled to the Rothschild Zionist Entity, debased themselves, collected their 30 pieces of silver, and had themselves implanted – as recently 72 Traitor scum of the Puppet Congress.

    For the New History Sellers, No one, specially the most sacrificing Americans could do anything right. Revolution is treated as a negative in France, as in America. So we Americans must Bend-over, wear Blue Dresses, and prostitute ourselves, until the end.

    Forgotten, & omitted from new Texts, Tom Paine, was imprisoned, under threat of Death – in England, & France.
    Jefferson was the only American politician who remained friends with Paine. Yes, they were not Perfect, like you (or me), but who is?

    I’ll take Jefferson: “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal… governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles…”

    And Madison’s Bill of Rights, and JF Kennedy‘s “Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country,” over any negative destroyers of Americans’ dignity and honor, such as the political puppets – since November 22, 1963.

    Your alternative is what? The 3 Decades Shadow Government of Maxwell, Epstein, & Ehud Barak? In 2019, our traitor government is so devoid of legitimate representatives of the people, so abjectly beggars and traitors, that the Zionist Power Elite have decided to retire their Shadow Government, Epstein, Maxwell, and others, as it is no longer necessary.

    The mere mention of the Palestinians is forbidden. Punishment is immediate, and career ending, at times, life ending.

    Poor Tulsi Gabbard, in another time and dimension she might have made a contribution. At least her ribs are not broken.

    Our Yellow Brick Road winds from – Committees of Correspondence, to Sons & Daughters of Liberty, to Minutemen.

    Our last Constitutional President, John F. Kennedy, a veteran, war hero, a brave man, a scholar, and author [Profiles in Courage is must reading & contains a message for all Patriots], died in a hail of bullets. Our American Republic died with him.

    Our America is an occupied Nation. We have no Liberty. We have no American Media. Our Industry, our very reason to work and prosper has been stolen from us. We are despised, disrespected, and invisible.

    We Rabble in Arms: Read the book by Kenneth Roberts.

    We have Ourselves, our Memories, our Spirit, our Heroes, while we still breathe.

    God Bless America, our past heroes, and our heroes to come!

    Durruti

  128. @mark green

    Haven’t our media overlords heard?–the Soviet Union is dead.

    Communism was just an excuse. The .01 percent of the west have been making war on Russia continuously for at least 130 years(I don’t know before that I’m not a history person, I’m science and technology) because they covet Russia’s vast natural resources and don’t want any to be wasted by hoi polloi, of any country consuming them.

  129. renfro says:
    @Desert Fox

    Hamas was first set up by Israel…..but they lost control of Hamas long ago.

  130. refl says:
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    Stasi basically dissolved itself. When you look closely at what they did, you can learn a lot about how a secret police works.
    You want me to scare you? Angela Merkel had permission for unrestricted travel to the West since 1980 and was spoted as a talent on her first travel to the US in 1988.
    I personally do not find it relevant, but others might, that her maiden name is Kasner, which her grandfather, who moved to Prussia from Poland in the 1920s changed from Kasimierz to something more German sounding. How, that Kasimierz is the jewish quarter of Krakow? Poles are catholics, so what Poles become protestant ministers? Did someone in the US flatter young Angie and tell her that she was something better then the proles?
    Was little Angie a bit dumb and thought that she could go a long way?
    She basically is a Zombie now and there are rumors that they want to hire Lenins make up artist for her – the one who keeps an eye on Lenins looks in his refrigerator. Thing is, with Lenin it is known where the brain is…

  131. @Realist

    “Most Americans would rather watch America’s Got Talent or Dancing With The Stars than be informed about important issues.”

    The viewership of America’s Got Talent is 9.9 million. DWTS has 8.1 million viewers.

    Meanwhile, “In 2013, there were 1.5 billion in-person visits to public libraries across the U.S., the equivalent of more than 4 million visits each day.” so, maybe 28 million library visits per week. There are something like 6.5 million reference librarian requests weekly; I don’t know if that includes the 28 million weekly visitors.

    You might, just might, want to re-evaluate your opinion of the American people. Apparently fewer than 18,000,000 of them watch the two shows you’d mentioned.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Alden
  132. @Tsar Bomba 38-56-47 N, 77-9-32 W

    ” do to Langley what the Germans did to their Stasi. CIA investigation of CIA crimes do not pass the laff test anymore.”

    Hell of an idea.

  133. @Durruti

    Never forget The Man that The Nose really hates and seeks always to trash: Andrew Jackson “Old Hickory”. Great General, Great President, true patriot and American hero. What he wanted on his tombstone: I FOUGHT THE BANK. America didn’t have and didn’t need a Central Bank with Old Hickory in charge. We need more like him. When The Nose tried to assassinate him, he beat the crap out of the failed assassin with his hickory cane. Old Hickory gets er done!!!

    • Replies: @Durruti
  134. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Durruti

    Poor Tulsi Gabbard, in another time and dimension she might have made a contribution. At least her ribs are not broken.

    Hey, she’s already made a contribution: several others are saying ‘regime-change’ wars. This campaign is far from sewn up, and she can defend her own ribs. There was much more to this show, in which the insufferable Joy Behar was squished like a bug.

    Tulsi Gabbard on The View –
    I’ll speak to every American, not just those who agree with me.

    • Replies: @Durruti
  135. Realist says:
    @TomSchmidt

    The viewership of America’s Got Talent is 9.9 million. DWTS has 8.1 million viewers.

    The rest watch other inane programing.

    Meanwhile, “In 2013, there were 1.5 billion in-person visits to public libraries across the U.S., the equivalent of more than 4 million visits each day.” so, maybe 28 million library visits per week. There are something like 6.5 million reference librarian requests weekly; I don’t know if that includes the 28 million weekly visitors.

    Probably to watch porn.

    You might, just might, want to re-evaluate your opinion of the American people. Apparently fewer than 18,000,000 of them watch the two shows you’d mentioned.

    Not a chance. Perhaps you would like to pontificate on the reason for America’s horrible condition? Or do you live in a dream world?

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  136. @Desert Fox

    I understand. ‘It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.’ – Mark Twain

    A washed brain seldom comes clean – Me

    Have a great day.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    , @Digital Samizdat
  137. Sparkon says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.

    — A. Huxley

    On Oct. 11, 1963 Pres. Kennedy signed NSAM-263, which recommended pulling all U.S. military personnel out of Vietnam by the end of 1965. The recommendation came from Secy. of Defense Robert McNamara, and Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Maxwell Taylor following their inspection tour of U.S. Forces in Vietnam earlier in 1963 under orders of Pres. Kennedy.

    The top military minds in the country at the time determined that Vietnam was an unwinnable conflict for the United States, and the fate of the country should be left to its people.

    What a better world it would be if JFK had lived to see his orders fulfilled.

    https://jfkjmn.com/nsam-263

    • Agree: Desert Fox
    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  138. @Realist

    Perhaps you would like to pontificate on the reason for America’s horrible condition?

    Sure, I’ll offer a reason, and a reason why the decision to disengage from national politics is rational:

    https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf

    “Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism.”

    What you’re observing in most Americans is what a psychologist would call learned helplessness. It’s a rational response to a situation like the one of the American political situation. It’s not optimal, but at least it’s less harmful than struggling constantly, increasing cortisol, and losing constantly in a rigged game. The only way to win a rigged game is not to play. Or to play another game.

    Rather than hectoring the rational dropouts, what game are you creating for them to play?

    • Replies: @Realist
  139. Agree, and the CIA is ran by zionists and is in bed with the CIA.

  140. Durruti says:
    @anon

    anon[113]

    Very Nice.

    Thanks for the link to the video.

    It would be much fun – if Tulsi Gabbard could win the Democrat Gang Nomination. I doubt that will be allowed by the Global Power Elite.

    Recall what happened after Robert Kennedy won the California Primary, (the win in the biggest State Primary assured him the Democrat Party Nomination for the Presidency). The Zionist Oligarchs decided to assassinate this Kennedy, before he became President, (as assasinating him as President, would have been too obvious, and they could not have blamed it on Oswald).

    Durruti

    • Replies: @anon
  141. Durruti says:
    @Bombercommand

    Andrew Jackson “Old Hickory”. Great General, Great President, true patriot and American hero

    “Old Hickory” was a mixd bag.

    1. He was a pre-Zionist Genocidal Land Thief (ask the Cherokees).

    2. Also, he supported the establishment of State Banks – to replace the National Bank. Most of those State Banks were Fly-By-Night operations. Most issued their own currency, and much of that currency was not worth the paper it was printed on. Corruption and chaos ran rampant.

    It was easier for our new Nation to regulate 1 bank, than 20.

    In America, we need to Nationalize the Banking System. We cannot trust Banks and Finances to any Human. Govern (verb), and Governments are not perfect, but they have their place in civilization. Fire departments, Police, Hospitals, Food & Water Department – Controls, Sanitation, a system of Courts. Schools (or not – your choice).

    Governments, & Government Bankers will work for us, and if any are corrupt, (and some will be), they may be exposed by a Vigilant Citizenry, & duly punished. The Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Duponts, Morgans, and other Oligarch $Money Lenders will be in Prison – doing hard labor.

    There exist Books that detail Jackson’s Bank War. You might peruse them.

    Also books that describe The Trail of Tears.

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  142. @Durruti

    And Madison’s Bill of Rights

    Sorry to say James Madison was a Federalist, and was once a chief opponent of the Bill of Rights.

    Freedom of speech, religion and the press. The right to assemble, bear arms and due process. These are just some of the first 10 amendments that make up the Bill of Rights. But they weren’t included in the original U.S. Constitution, and James Madison, the bill’s chief drafter, had to be convinced they belonged in the country’s supreme law.

    Madison was actually once the Bill of Rights’ chief opponent. In his book, The Oath and the Office: A Guide to the Constitution for Future Presidents, Corey Brettschneider, a political science professor at Brown University, writes that when the founding father entered the race for Congress as a candidate for the state of Virginia in 1788, the issue of whether America needed a Bill of Rights was a dominating campaign issue. George Mason, a fellow Virginian, had refused to sign the Constitution without a Bill of Rights. But Madison argued it was unnecessary and perhaps even harmful.

    https://www.history.com/news/bill-of-rights-constitution-first-10-amendments-james-madison

    People fail to realize this country was bitterly divided concerning the signing of the Constitution. The Federalist believed in a strong central government, and that the Constitution was “a near perfect document” the way it was, with no Bill of Rights needed. Three of the most famous Federalist were James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and John Jay. Others included George Washington, Ben Franklin, William Patterson, John Dickinson, John Adams, and Roger Sherman.

    The fact is, when the Constitutional Convention was convened in Philadelphia in May of 1787, the only power granted to the body by the state legislatures was to make revisions to the Articles of Confederation. Rhode Island(A.K.A. Rouge Island)so objected to this convention they never even showed up. Their fears were soon realized when Articles of Confederation were promptly relocated to the round file. A proposal was adopted on May 30th that stated in part, “…that a national government ought to be established consisting of a supreme Legislative, Executive, and Judiciary. America had its first governmental overreach before it even had a government.

    The window shutters were nailed shut, the doors were shut, and a guard posted outside to keep curios citizens away. Independence Hall was under complete lock down and the Constitution was birthed in complete secrecy. Not really a whole lot different than that of the Bolshevik’s in the formation of their government.

    In the end, the anti-federalist would lose their battle to have a government which had granted the predominance of power to the state governments. Men like George Mason, Edmund Randolph, Ellbridge Gerry, Richard Henry Lee, Samuel Adams, and of course Patrick Henry would live out their lives feeling they had been betrayed by their fellow “patriots”. They knew it would only be a matter of time before a massive federal government would be created and the freedom’s they so desperately yearned for would once again disappear. We should be eternally grateful to these true patriots, for without them there would have been no Bill of Rights.

    • Replies: @Durruti
  143. @Sparkon

    Yes, one cannot tear down what he does not first build up..

    Meanwhile, in order to stem the tide of cheap little wars of liberation that Nikita Khrushchev promised would “bury” the West, President John Kennedy formed the National Security Council Special Group to manage U.S. counterinsurgency efforts in Vietnam and elsewhere. A special assistant for covert and special activities (SACSA) was assigned to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, former Lansdale aide General William B. Rosson was made the special warfare assistant to the Army’s chief of staff, and the CIA got a new headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

    When, on September 18, 1961, an An Ninh terror squad decapitated the Catholic chief of Phuoc Long Province. President Kennedy, ignoring troop limits set at the Geneva Accords, rushed legions of Special Forces advisers to the South Vietnamese. The 704th Military Intelligence Group arrived and began advising the Military Security Service, and the Army sent its first province advisers to Vietnam, supplementing MAAG with the Military Assistance Command, Vietnam (MACV). CIA psywar and paramilitary officers, their brains bursting with big ideas and their Abercrombie and Fitch safari jacket pockets bulging with big bucks, converged on Vietnam from Cuba, Africa, Greece, Korea, the Philippines, Laos, and Indonesia. By the end of 1962 nearly twelve thousand American soldiers were in South Vietnam, flying helicopters, dropping napalm on Communist villages, spraying Agent Orange, advising ARVN battalions, patrolling rivers and the coast, conducting “behind-the-lines” missions, and mounting anti-infrastructure operations that included attacks on Diem’s political opposition. The counterinsurgency, too, had begun in earnest.

    The Phoenix Program – Douglas Valentine

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  144. @Dan Hayes

    Joe DiGenova — who I admit seems gullible — claims he has the tip off on the Horowitz report and it will be much more alarming and damning than expected. The wild card is the impact of the allegations by Patrick Byrne. I don’t know what to make of the guy but if Warren Buffett gave him his blessing to go to the Feds with his story then there may be something to it. Byrne, who is extremely smart, seems to think Comey, Brennan, and Clapper are scared shitless about what’s coming. Cross your fingers.

    When I read Lindsey Graham would be meeting with Barr to discuss the Horowitz report my first thought was, “Of course! Lindsey wants to make sure the report won’t embarrass any of his warmongering Israel-first Deep State cronies.”
    Maybe Lindsey will be indicted — that’s a wet dream.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  145. Durruti says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Johnny Walker Read

    Decent sipping stuff.

    For god sakes! Don’t you have anything else to do? Is Unz Review your life?

    Just Kidding!

    James Madison Signed Off (as we say) on the Bill of Rights – addition (corrective) to the New American Constitution. And that is good enough for me. They are quite nice. I like them myself.

    Madison reportedly said (as a warning), that if he did not write them, his friend Thomas Jefferson would.

    When we Restore our Republic, the Bill of Rights will protect us again.

    God Bless!

  146. @jack daniels

    Barr is as deep state and as corrupt as they come and is the deep state fixer of last resort!

    • Disagree: Dan Hayes
  147. Realist says:
    @TomSchmidt

    Sure, I’ll offer a reason, and a reason why the decision to disengage from national politics is rational:

    You’re suggesting that Americans should live in a dream bubble…and you call it rational.

    What you’re observing in most Americans is what a psychologist would call learned helplessness. It’s a rational response to a situation like the one of the American political situation.

    No it is not rational, if you are unhappy with your situation…change it!

    It’s not optimal, but at least it’s less harmful than struggling constantly, increasing cortisol, and losing constantly in a rigged game. The only way to win a rigged game is not to play. Or to play another game.

    Rather than hectoring the rational dropouts, what game are you creating for them to play?

    The problem is not a game. It is never rational to cower or hide under a rock. Sometimes people of a nation have to fight for what they want…the Revolutionary War comes to mind. If the American people want change they must make it happen. As I said the indifference of the American people perpetuates the sad state this country is in.

  148. Skeptikal says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    It is not reasonable to expect men of the 18th century to be modern men.
    For his time and place, Washington was an outstanding individual.
    His writings (letters, dispatches, journals, etc.) show a very definite evolution as he grew older and assumed more and more responsibilities. FYI he did free his slaves in his will.
    If you think the creation of the USA was a huge mistake, then I guess you can blame Washington, because he led the Revolution to victory in the end.
    If you think that on balance it was not a mistake, you can also credit Washington.

    For any reader out there who are curious about Washington I highly recommend Nathanial Philbrick’s
    In the Hurricane’s Eye: The Genius of George Washington and the Victory at Yorktown. All of PHilbrick’s books are hugely readable and educational at the same time. A neat feat.

    • Agree: Durruti
    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  149. @peter mcloughlin

    The reason we did not have WWIII with the Cuban missile crisis is that JFK and RFK maintained a secret backchannel with Krushchev and a few other Russians and resolved the crisis. If the CIA and generals had become involved, on either side, there would have been no escape from nuclear war. That’s why the President sets foreign policy rather than the generals and intelligence agencies, who only get promoted in war time and are always spoiling for a fight. Arkhipov also made a critical emergency decision to disengage nuclear weapons launch (now a hero in Russia; an American showing such restraint would have been hung as Krushchev’s Puppet). While the Second Cold War being pushed by Democrats (and some Republicans) is extremely dangerous, it seems more to keep MIC money flowing freely than to actually have a hot war.
    Obama’s administration (surely in partnership with the CIA) overthrew elected Yanukovich in 2014 and turned Ukraine into a “a Western-looking” NAZI regime, with skirmishes up and down the Russian border provinces. Obama actually showed some restraint, refusing certain weapons, and somewhat calming down foreign policy there. However the DNC (who seemed to set up shop in Ukraine), the host of Ukrainian-Americans and the swarm of parasitic American businessmen have fed on Ukraine as it did it the 90s on Russia. The median per capita household income of Ukraine dropped from $2601 in 2013 to $1136 in 2016, and Ukraine is now the poorest country in Europe, a cesspool of corruption even worse than before the coup.
    From the testimony of (mostly) Democrats in Ukraine-gate, it is clear these Ukrainian Americans think THEY set foreign policy in Ukraine, and THEY set national security concerns. It’s bad enough that loose cannon John Bolton was trying to start trouble there. The President, imbecile or not, constitutionally sets foreign policy, not the DNC and Ukrainian-American locusts, feverishly working to steal all the money in grants and loans from the Ukrainian people.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  150. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Durruti

    Yes, indeed. There may soon come a point when Tulsi will need much more security than her sister, the US Marshall.

  151. Sparkon says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    It was Presidents Truman and Eisenhower who had established U.S. policy in Vietnam long before Kennedy was elected president. Pres. Truman snubbed repeated appeals for American recognition and assistance by Ho Chi Minh, preferring instead to prop up the French, whom Ho had vowed to fight should they slink back into Vietnam.

    Pres. Eisenhower refused to support country-wide elections following the French defeat at Dien Bien Phu as the Geneva Accords had mandated, no doubt because the Communists would have won.

    For a short time early in his presidency, the green JFK had little choice but to follow established policy, and for a brief period the generals may have convinced him that more military pressure was the answer in Vietnam, in the same way somebody had convinced him the Bay of Pigs was the answer for Cuba.

    But Jack Kennedy was no fool. He soon grew to understand that American policy in Vietnam was not having the desired result, and in his final analysis, it was up to the people of Vietnam to decide their own fate.

    In his wisdom, Pres. Kennedy had decided to pull the United States out of the Vietnam quagmire. He was conscious that the far right wing in the United States was already screaming for his head, so he had NSAM-263 classified top secret – eyes only.

    12,000 U.S. advisors in Vietnam in 1962 under JFK grew to 549,500 U.S. troops in Vietnam in 1968 under LBJ, who immediately reversed Kennedy’s decision to withdraw after Pres. Kennedy was assassinated.

    The graphs show the results of the escalation: It was coffins all the way down, and that’s where all the flowers have gone, long time passing.


    • Agree: Desert Fox, Paul C.
  152. @Skeptikal

    You should really watch the video…

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  153. Skeptikal says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Maybe if I have time.
    Of course “the truth” meme implies that there is a lie out there to be rebutted.
    What is that lie, pray tell—“The Lie About George Washington”?
    It just sounds like a rabble-rousing phrase. Sort of intellectual clickbait.
    Before we get embroiled in a “truth” operation I should like to know what for?
    Frankly, I am disinclined to accept your implied premise that Stefan Molyneux is a better historian—or writer—than Nathanial Philbrick.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Johnny Walker Read
  154. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Skeptikal

    IDK Philbrick, but Molyneux is a waste of time, so, low bar.

  155. @Skeptikal

    Again, view the video. Then YOU decide if all you have been told about Washington is true.

  156. @Realist

    No it is not rational, if you are unhappy with your situation…change it!

    Works sometimes. Sometimes it doesn’t. I’m not happy about dying of old age (few are), but it’s going to happen. I can try to stay healthy, but I can’t prevent eventually dying of old age, so I don’t waste time trying.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @Realist
  157. @Sparkon

    JFK seems to have said different things to different friends, advisers and staffers in 1963 about what he would do about South Vietnam in the future. In the decades since his death, what has most intrigued some who loved Kennedy but hated the Vietnam War, as it grew and continued under his successor, Lyndon B. Johnson, is that JFK told or hinted to a few associates (including antiwar Sen. Mike Mansfield) that he would certainly pull U.S. forces out of South Vietnam, but only after winning reelection in 1964. Mansfield and others who allegedly heard this from Kennedy only revealed those conversations years after his death, when the war had gone long and sour under LBJ’s leadership. But they have been the source for many a speculative article and book claiming that, if only Kennedy had lived, we would have been spared the trauma of Vietnam.

    If true, such stories don’t quite make Kennedy look so wonderful as some of his “defenders” seem to think. After all, Americans had been dying in South Vietnam since 1959, during the Eisenhower presidency. Over a hundred of our soldiers died there in 1963. If JFK actually had definitively decided to pull the U.S. out of Vietnam, why wait until after an election still a year off? Do we really think he was that craven a president? I don’t.

    Enough with the Camelot-glossed speculations. There are thing we do know about JFK and South Vietnam: First, U.S. troop levels there grew from around 900 to approximately 16,000 during his presidency. Second, while there were contingency plans to get those soldiers out at some point (possibly the end of 1965), the contingency was South Vietnam becoming successful at repelling the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong. That wasn’t happening in the jungles of Vietnam in 1963. Third, there is no record of JFK having expressed a definite post-election withdrawal intention to Vice President Lyndon Johnson, his attorney general brother Robert Kennedy, Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, CIA Director John McCone or any other members of his National Security Council.

    https://www.salon.com/2013/11/22/the_truth_about_jfk_and_vietnam_why_the_speculation_is_wrong_headed/
    JFK was just another politician, who based his decisions on what was best for his political career. Enough of the “God Head” you bestow on this just another political stooge.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  158. Alden says:
    @TomSchmidt

    Thank you. Most of the elderly commenters still think Americans watch television all day long. That’s only the 70 plus retired crowd.

    Those under 60 cruise the internet and read UNZ occidental observer etc.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  159. @Durruti

    Over the years I’ve come to like JFK but he did NOT write Profiles in Courage, any more than Barry Goldwater wrote Conscience of a Conservative. (Did Donald Trump write Art of the Deal? Ann Coulter says not, but she’s biased.)

    • Replies: @Durruti
  160. @Sparkon

    You are giving us the Pete Seeger/ Abbie Hoffman view of Ho Chi Minh and his fellow “Jeffersonians.”
    Ho was a brutal operator and there is considerable doubt whether he would have won free and fair elections if such were even possible. It’s true that with his cheering section in the US, many policy hacks may have been fooled into thinking he would win. It has taken decades of research to get past the Woodstock Nation/NY Trotskyist version of the Vietnam war. In the north Ho carried out the usual communist “land reforms” murdering many thousands of class enemies. Ho’s policy was to behead local village chiefs who resisted his rule. Compared to Ho, ISIS are rank amateurs. Communist justice under Ho was no more humane than under Lenin, Stalin, or Mao — without whose artillery he would have had little chance of driving out he French. The North Vietnamese were unable to manufacture weapons and without massive support from the Soviet Union and China Ho would have been gone quickly. The communists were totally depleted after the Tet Offensive, they were down to 15 year-olds, but thanks to Walter Cronkeit and his fellow closet lefties in the media, not to mention thousands of lefty college professors and Amerika-hating hippies, America’s demoralization eventually outweighed the reality of near-victory on the ground.
    Vietnam went on to become the worst communist hell-hole this side of Cambodia. Proof of Ho’s democratic philosophy in action.

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Sparkon
  161. nebulafox says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Well, yeah (I don’t think 7th Century Arabs knew of any other drug besides wine), but if Muslims didn’t consider all alcohol in practice, then a bottle of beer wouldn’t cost twice the price of your meal in majority Islamic parts of Southeast Asia.

    You know the old joke about how most Christians in the US don’t bother to read their own holy text? The same dynamic can be found in the Islamic World.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @AnonFromTN
  162. @Johnny Walker Read

    JFK was a personal friend of Senator Mike Mansfield of Montana and he told Mansfield that he was going to withdraw the advisors from Vietnam. JFK wanted out of Vietnam, but the CIA wanted the war, read the book by Col. L. Fletcher Prouty, JFK , the CIA and Vietnam, it is all there!

    Col. Prouty was a high level member of the group in the white house that dealt with the CIA, and read his book about the CIA , The Secret Team, the CIA and its Allies in Control of the World, both books can be had on amazon, and I have both and I am from Montana.

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  163. Durruti says:
    @jack daniels

    Over the years I’ve come to like JFK

    You follow:

    but he did NOT write Profiles in Courage

    Are you able to cite any EVIDENCE for your assertion that JF Kennedy did not write this book?

    WARNING! There is overwhelming EVIDENCE that JF Kennedy was, indeed, the author.

    Have you read the book? Do you agree with its major point?

    How can you “come to like” someone who untruthfully claimed he wrote a book? Your statement is full of contradictions, & therefore, makes no sense.

  164. @Durruti

    During Jackson’s administration the national government was debt free for the only time in its history, the direct result of Jackson getting rid of the central bank, obviously he was doing something right. The Nose hates him to this day for that, and sponsors many books that slur Jackson, I will make up my own mind about him, thank you. The Nose likely infiltrated these state banks you speak of to corrupt them, then Nose sponsored histories blame Jackson. General Jackson was one of the greatest strategic geniuses in military history, but for the insubordination of a twenty something twerp lieutenant, there would not have been a Battle Of New Orleans at all, THAT was the level of Jackson’s strategic genius(the Battles of Pensacola and New Orleans are strategically linked, a study of both will give you more insight into successful generalship than studying all of Napolean). As for the trail of tears, the promotion of that story is part of The Nose hatchet job on Jackson, and I couldn’t care less about the Cherokee in any case. The most important fact is The Nose tried to assassinate President Jackson, clearly he was inimical to Nose interests, and that’s good enough for me.

    • Replies: @Durruti
  165. @nebulafox

    It’s not a joke about Christians: I found experimentally that self-proclaimed Christians in the US know a lot less about what’s in the Bible, than I do, even though I read it as a set of historic documents.

    As to Muslims, they are supposed to know Koran by heart in Arabic but are not supposed to understand Arabic. Indeed, in Indonesia and Malaysia a beer costs more than a meal. Did not stop me from drinking it, though.

    • Replies: @Reality Cheque
  166. @nebulafox

    BTW, Turkey is presumably Islamic, but you can buy all sorts of drinks, beer, wine, and hard liquor, there at reasonable prices. They even make their own wine. Sensible people.

  167. S says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Thanks for the video link.

    Several US presidents, rather unhealthily I think, have been made into almost mythological Gods. Washington certainly, as you allude, Lincoln definitely, Jefferson, Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt, and Kennedy, too. Ronald Reagan gets an honorable mention here I suppose.

    In the end though and like everyone else, they are imperfect human beings, with both good and bad. People ought to always remember that.

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
  168. MarkinLA says:
    @Sollipsist

    Despite centuries of devotion to Reason, the actual implementation has not caught on for the majority. How much more evidence do we need that putting people in charge of their own governance is like letting children make their own choices? The few who can be responsible will always be drowned out by the many who want candy for dinner. By the time they learn that it makes them sick, another generation follows that refuses to listen — increasingly, is encouraged not to listen.

    This is 180 degrees away from the problem of democracy. The people actually do know what they want. It is the people who represent them – the self styled experts who refuse to give them what they want because they think they know better that are the problem. The people who voted for Trump are not the problem, the problem is all those “highly educated” people in government who think the average person is too stupid to understand all the nuances of governing.

  169. MarkinLA says:
    @Realist

    A true meritocracy may be the answer.

    That is what we have already. Just ask any of these worthless Ivy League educated parasites that inhabit Washington and it’s outposts around the world.

    • Replies: @Realist
  170. anarchyst says:
    @jack daniels

    The My Lai massacre was a horrific display of unbridled evil by American troops. In my humble opinion, the perpetrators escaped real punishment for their actions.
    The American “mainstream media” kept the incident alive for months, if not years, and still is regularly mentioned in the annals of history.

    Most people have never heard of the communist-led massacre of Duc Duc at the end of March, 1971. Communists destroyed the village, murdering every man, woman and child, as a warning not to be involved with the South Vietnamese government or Americans.

    There were many other communist atrocities committed that were never reported due to the affinity that American news organizations had with the communists.

    There was not a peep from the American mainstream media. You see, the American media has always had a soft spot for communism, even as far back as the beginning of the communist takeover of Russia, and the later Ukrainian “famine” in which American “reporters” purposely LIED and covered up the jewish communist imposed famine on the Ukrainian people.

    Even the 1968 TET offensive was purposely declared a “defeat” for the South Vietnamese and American forces despite the Viet Cong infrastructure being decimated with the military successes of the South Vietnamese and American forces. After the TET offensive, the North Vietnamese communists were forced to use regular troops and not South Vietnamese communist sympathizers (Viet Cong).

    North Vietnamese communist General Giap publicly thanked the American news media for its support of the communist cause and giving the communists “new resolve” to fight on.

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  171. @Realist

    You’re an idiot. To bad youth is wasted on the young…
    Right on @Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @Realist
  172. Durruti says:
    @Bombercommand

    I couldn’t care less about the Cherokee in any case.

    That is the primary weakness in your argument. That you lack empathy for one of dozens of Native American Nations that were forcefully expelled from their lands, and in many cases, massacred.

    You lack empathy.

    As for the “Nose,”

    The Nose likely infiltrated these state banks you speak of to corrupt them,

    You are reaching, guessing, “likely.” Although there were a number of Noses around in 1800, they were not the decisive factor in shaping American history that they became a hundred years later.

    The struggle for Liberty, for a decent life for all humans, requires some empathy. The Zionist Financial Oligarchs are ruling and destroying America and most of the other countries. What is your suggested path out of this mess?

    I suggest we Restore the Republic (our Republic), that was destroyed in a hail of bullets on November 22, 1963. It is easier said than done.

    Durruti

  173. MarkinLA says:
    @anarchyst

    Unfortunately, I cannot find the you-tube of an interesting lecture given by a guy at the War College about Vietnam. He says winning a war is a simple equation Winning = desire X capabilities. When you depleat the enemy of resources like we did to Japan they lose no matter how hard they want to fight. When they lose the desire to fight no matter how well equipped, they still lose.

    The people of the US ALWAYS had a low desire for the war. Only a massive disinformation campaign kept the desire (or appearance of it) up. The US was ALWAYS going to lose, just as we are going to watch Afghanistan disintegrate 20 minutes after we leave.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  174. anarchyst says:
    @MarkinLA

    For a different perspective and honest assessment on the Vietnam war, please obtain and read “Our War Was Different” by Al Hemingway.

    One should not discount the American media and their communist sympathies in shaping the assessment of the war.

    Ask the Vietnamese who live in Westminster and Garden Grove California what they think…

    Regards,

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  175. Abbybwood says:
    @follyofwar

    If Durham’s “Grand Jury” is in northern Virginia (CIA central), seriously, what are the chances of ANY indictments coming down against the Deep State?

  176. Kestrel says:
    @Bombercommand

    Bombercommand: “the Deputy Directorate Of Analysis produces to the highest quality on a vast array of subjects.”

    Throughout the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s, CIA analysts produced yearly economic growth figures for the Soviet Union that were insane — and bore no relationship to the empty shelves characteristic of any Russian store. With the demise of the Soviet Union, these economic projections were proved wrong, the Russian economy was not even 20% as large.

    Of course, unknown to the CIA, a very ill FBI recruit, “SOLO,” would risk his life and visit the Kremlin, two or three times per year, and report economic disaster on economic disaster. A one-time graduate of Lenin’s spy school, Solo was a revered mentor of the Soviet Politburo — who would sympathetically listen to everyone, make practical suggestions and ease frictions, without ever divulging confidences with Kremlin competitors.

    A handful of FBI agents hid his existence and findings as “open source” research, with only Presidents Ford and Carter aware of his true identity as they were briefed on the thinking of Brezhnev, Andropov and others. On a last visit, Solo was hosted at a major Kremlin banquet by Brezhnev and Andropov, returned to the US, then perhaps (?) succumbed to his illness. Of course he had not yet died and provided President Reagan with information about Gorbachev at their first meeting in Geneva.

    What did the FBI do to gain such an ally? During WW II, when his health broke down, a mid-level agent visited him and arranged an extended stay at the Mayo Clinic. A friendship developed as he and his wife were surrounded by a handful agents, almost sons — who sacrificed promotions by never talking about their work.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  177. @Durruti

    The Nose was behind The First Bank of The United States, and The Nose was behind The Second Bank of The United States that President Jackson destroyed. The Nose was, and is, behind The Federal Reserve. Given that, it would certainly be within Nose capability to infiltrate and corrupt those state banks, and therefore it would be within Nose capability to sponsor bogus historians to write books blaming President Jackson. That is certainly not “reaching, guessing”. As for the ” Native American Nations”, they practiced mass human sacrifice, and held torture parties as entertainment, then BBQed and ate their tortured victims. I would consider not having “empathy” for cannibal torture freaks to be a positive attribute.

  178. @Durruti

    You lack empathy.

    That argument is getting steadily weaker. What empathy do _you_ have for the Cherokee? What have you done for them?

    If you want a “lack empathy” argument, what empathy does the city government of Chicago or Baltimore have for its Black constituents? What empathy does the government of San Francisco have for its homeless? What empathy does H. Clinton have for her “basket of deplorables”? Or what empathy does the National Review have for these same people?

    Well, none. Trying to get others to atone for your sins, which is what you’re doing here, is — what? Hypocrisy? The nadir of evil? Leher’s “quite a variety of Unpleasant Names”?

    Anyway, the argument isn’t convincing. It’s like accusing a fish of living in water.

    Counterinsurgency

  179. Realist says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    You’re an idiot. To bad youth is wasted on the young…

    Only a dumbass would reply with an ad hominem. And the phrase is Too bad youth…
    I am by no means young or an idiot, not too many young would use the term piss poor…which is a perfect description of @Counterinsurgency analogy. So be sure and comment when you learn the difference between to and too.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  180. @MarkinLA

    I don’t have a problem with the people who voted for Trump, but I think it proves my point that they believed Trump could or would get them what they wanted. The idea of a maverick individual taking on the system is a compelling and utterly naive narrative. It’s a child’s view of how the world works, and I don’t want children responsible for policy.

    I like my neighbors and respect them for who they are. I want them to have what they want — that was my initial original statement — but I have no illusions that they have a deep and broad enough understanding of all the important issues, or the discernment to recognize who might be equipped to outmaneuver their political opponents and manipulate all the moving parts to get them what they want (even in an ideal world where such people were actually among the choices that they were given). I know that I wouldn’t be able to do it, and I think I’m at least slightly better equipped than the average.

    Look at the past few decades — rougly half of the people get what they think they want every 8 years, and they still wind up getting screwed. The fact that they can continue to think they’re only getting screwed by half of the country half of the time is the most damning indictment of all.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  181. @Johnny Walker Read

    A washed brain seldom comes clean – Me

    I like that! I plan on using it … with your permission, of course.

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  182. Sparkon says:
    @jack daniels

    No, I’ve given you a factual account of Pres. Kennedy’s plans to withdraw the bulk of U.S. military personnel from Vietnam by the end of 1965.

    On June 3, Vietnamese police and troops of the Army of the Republic of Vietnam poured chemicals on the heads of praying Buddhist protestors in the South Vietnamese city of Huế. 67 people were hospitalized and the United States privately threatened to withdraw aid.

    Like many Americans and people around the world, Pres. Kennedy was horrified by Buddhist monk Thích Quảng Đức’s public self-immolation on June 11 1963 at a busy Saigon intersection in protest of Diem’s massacres of Buddhists.

    Thích Quảng Đức’s self-immolation, by Malcolm Browne

    If Pres. Kennedy’s withdrawal plan had not been countermanded by his assassination, the United States might well have avoided entirely the disaster that was the Vietnam War, a disaster that tore the country apart, cost the lives of 55,000 U.S. servicemen and uncountable Vietnamese, and inflicted wounds on both nations that still have not healed.

    If the United States had really wanted to stop the spread of Communism in Asia after WWII, Pres. Truman would not have cut off financial and military support for Chiang’s KMT Nationalists during the Chinese Civil War, deprivations that allowed Mao’s PLA to gain the upper hand and prevail in the conflict.

    If the United States had wanted to stop the spread of Communism before WWII, it would have invaded the Soviet Union in the 1930s while Stalin was busy killing off millions of Kulaks and NEPmen.

    The anti-war anthem “Where Have All the Flowers Gone,”was composed in 1955 by Pete Seger, and popularized in 1961 when the Kingston Trio released their version of the song. And still we wonder:

    “When will they ever learn?”

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  183. @Kestrel

    In the mid 1970’s I read an extract of a CIA report that predicted the USSR would collapse in 1989, due to overspending on the military. I took due notice, and decided to wait and see. The CIA was correct. During the “1960’s, 1970’s, 1980’s” I never read anything resembling the “not even 20%” anecdote you cite, and have no idea from which lightless region you have pulled it. Your “SOLO” anecdote stinks of bullshit as well, you’ve been reading too much Tom Clancy and the Chicago Tribune.

    • Replies: @anon
  184. annamaria says:
    @S

    It is hard not to think that the so-called Democratic party has become firmly and militantly against democracy. Freedom of speech is their enemy du jour: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/un-envoy-issues-grim-warning-over-assanges-life

    One can only imagine the hysterical outcry among Western governments and media if somehow Assange was being detained in a Russian prison.

    The 48-year-old Assange has been held in a maximum-security prison in London since April this year when he was forcibly removed from the Ecuadorean embassy. His arrest was itself a staggering breach of international law. Assange had been confined to the embassy for nearly seven years where he sought asylum to avoid being extradited to the US.

    He should have been released on September 22 when his sentence for a past bail infringement had been served out. Instead, a British judge has ordered Assange to be detained until the extradition trial to the US gets underway next year. If Assange is extradited to the US he is facing 175 years in prison if convicted for espionage. Few would believe that he will receive a fair trial in Britain or the US. He has been denied due process of consulting with his defense lawyers.

    Assange’s “espionage” charge stems from the fact that his whistleblower site Wikileaks published volumes of damning information exposing massive US and NATO war crimes in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. His publications of leaked data also exposed Western diplomatic malfeasance in several countries, as well as illegal global spying on citizens by US intelligence agencies in collusion with British counterparts.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/british-judge-jails-assange-despite-end-prison-sentence/5689322

    In a hearing at Westminster Magistrates’ Court yesterday morning, British District Judge Vanessa Baraitser ruled that WikiLeaks’ founder Julian Assange will remain in prison, despite the fact that his custodial sentence for “absconding” bail expires on September 22.

    https://www.redressonline.com/2019/10/assange-extradition-what-happened-to-british-justice-and-fair-play/

    District Judge Vanessa Baraitser is severely criticised for failing to treat the two sides evenhandedly and for appearing to take instructions from the US government people in the courtroom.

    There is no information about this “judge” on the web: https://consortiumnews.com/2019/10/25/john-pilger-did-this-happen-in-the-home-of-the-magna-carta/#comments Comment section:

    Who is this sadistic and cruel Vanessa Baraitser?
    Why does it prove impossible to find any reference to her on the web?
    Manipulation of algorithms?
    What does she look like?
    Who is her partner?
    What’s her history and that of her other court cases?
    Is she simply a sleeper who’s been activated to do the bidding of the US Deep State? …
    To everyone who has actually seen her in court recently, would you be able to verify if there’s a picture out there to confirm her appearance?

  185. annamaria says:

    A state of the Main Street Media:
    “CNN enlists help of fraudster Browder & Integrity Initiative ‘experts’ to fan Russia meddling claims in UK” https://www.rt.com/news/473060-browder-russia-meddling-brexit/

    The CNN owners fake amnesia re Browder’s link to Wexner and the likes related to Epstein scandal. And don’t forget that there is still no Interpol Red Alert for Madam Ghislaine Maxwell, a procuress of underage girls for the high-placed pedophiles.
    https://www.unz.com/article/epstein-pedoscandal-mossad-timeline/

    Jeffrey Adam Zucker oversees CNN … Zucker was born into a Jewish family in Homestead, Florida, near Miami. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Zucker

  186. @Realist

    So, what would be a better analogy, one that would make your point?

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @Realist
  187. Michael Barry was CIA’s illegal domestic agent for Russiagate. He fed Democratic dupes like Schiff stale war propaganda against Russia by spicing it up with fabricated adverse info on Trump. Barry’s job was not to destroy Trump, his job was to disseminate ICCPR-illegal war propaganda. He did it by using party politics to catapult it.

    It’s not that Barry was trying to destroy democracy. Any mid-level CIA knuckle-dragger knows US democracy is fake. Barry was simply kicking a presidential puppet ruler to make sure he keeps breaking UN Charter Chapter 7.

    People forget that Trump had a lot of UN dips as customers. Their principles and common sense rub off on you. The UN has a word for it, acculturation. That made Trump suspect for the CIA war machine. So he was a natural target for the induced mass hysteria of CIA’s new red scare.

  188. MarkinLA says:
    @anarchyst

    Ask the Vietnamese who live in Westminster and Garden Grove California what they think…

    It doesn’t matter what they think or how bad the Ho government really was, or any other Red Menace scare the government thought up. Had the US government given the people of the US an honest assesment of the threat to the people of the US that a communist takeover of SE Asia was and the cost in lives of young US men to prevent it, the answer would have been a resounding NO to fighting it.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  189. MarkinLA says:
    @Sollipsist

    You are making the assumption that people don’t know they aren’t getting what they want. They know, but they also know doing something concrete about it other than voting gets you 20 years in a federal prison.

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
  190. @Alden

    I’m not sure Realist is elderly. His attitude strikes me as a young man.

    I don’t watch TV at all, except for Jeopardy and one other that I can play along with my wife. So I’m often disoriented dealing with people wh still watch the mainstream media. Apparently some Americans got murdered in Mexico. I apparently should be more concerned about them than the local people in my neighborhood. I’m not.

    Meanwhile, 700 people on average died today due to medical errors. That’s two planes crashing every day in the USA. I do my own part to get that number closer to one per day. Hopefully, some day, one person per day.

    Television dies when it can no longer supply valuable eyeballs to advertisers. Young people with a need to spend money and the means to do so have abandoned it. That’s why all the ads are for drugs for people on Medicare.

  191. @Digital Samizdat

    Absolutely. Just something I have observed in the war on cognitive dissonance.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  192. MarkinLA says:

    but I have no illusions that they have a deep and broad enough understanding of all the important issues, or the discernment to recognize who might be equipped to outmaneuver their political opponents and manipulate all the moving parts to get them what they want (even in an ideal world where such people were actually among the choices that they were given).

    Isn’t this the real problem, that those in power think everything is so complex and nuanced that you need all these experts to pilot us through the dangerous channel. However, these people are creating the channel in the first place. Sure, we needed to keep an eye on the USSR and be ready to defend the Fulda Gap – until about 1965 when anti-armor missiles made massed tank attacks unsustainable. Why are are we worried about every insignificant spec on the planet that leans communist?

    The people with their unsophisticated minds would have simply stayed out of the ME altogether instead of cultivating all sorts of entanglements at cross purposes. We would have likely developed our technology to make us more self-sufficient and been less enthusiastic about speading Wahabbi extremism like the CIA was.

  193. @MarkinLA

    I agree about some people, but most of the people I meet on a daily basis are just focused on their personal struggle of getting by, vaguely discontented, but with no political thoughts more subversive than hoping the next batch of elected clowns do better for them than the current batch. The minority that are more conscious and involved tend to fit more or less nicely into the two party camps… which is basically the same as the majority, except with more specific talking points.

  194. @Realist

    “You’re suggesting that Americans should live in a dream bubble…and you call it rational.”

    What, literally, is the root of the word rational? Does it mean anything other than to express a value as a ratio of two natural numbers? You haven’t contradicted the notion that, as Gilens wrote, the influence of “the little people” on national politics, even when assembled into mass movements, is 0. The people who’ve checked out have done the math and recognized that 0 as a numerator will always produce 0 as a result. You might have missed that part of math class.

    “No it is not rational, if you are unhappy with your situation…change it!”
    If you’re in a straitjacket, and you’re not Houdini, you’re not going to get out of the straitjacket. The only rational response is to figure out how to do something to remain sane until yo eventually get out of the straitjacket.

    One wonders if you’re familiar with this story?
    https://www.navy.mil/navydata/nav_legacy.asp?id=174

    The problem is not a game. It is never rational to cower or hide under a rock. Sometimes people of a nation have to fight for what they want…the Revolutionary War comes to mind. If the American people want change they must make it happen. As I said the indifference of the American people perpetuates the sad state this country is in.

    Hmmm. Target rich environment there. A: as my grandfather used to tell me, “All general statements are false.” See if you can find the false thing you wrote.

    B: you know that there was a second American Revolution, what some call the Civil War (it wasn’t; because civil war is a struggle over the reins of power of one government) but others call the War for Southern Independence. That war for Independence failed, utterly, because it was confronting a much larger state, with more troops and more weapons, and located literally across the River, not the ocean, from the opposing force. It left the region economically devastated for 100 years.

    C: one of the remarkable things about the Trump phenomenon in 2015 was how excited white, working class men of my acquaintance were. I expected Hillary would win, but I don’t recall the energy amongst her supporters that Trump got from his. The Republican Congress took that energy and turned it into a large tax cut for the wealthy, with a bit of an effort to stick it to blue states. There was a promise from Trump that he might comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable. I think he has done some of the former, but none of the latter, except by his very existence.

    Would you call Trump supporters irrational for deciding that there’s no reforming the system and figuring that a collapse of the centralized state is the only thing that will free them of the avaricious and parasitical managerial elite?

    Again, since you avoided the question: what “realist”ic action would you have people take, and what are you doing to offer them leadership? That revolution you dream about will get a lot of people needlessly killed; the good news is the survivors will not hesitate to frag their officers. Be careful what you wish for.

    • Replies: @Realist
  195. Realist says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    So, what would be a better analogy, one that would make your point?

    Why do you need a analogy? My point was well made and stands on its own.

    Here is your analogy.

    Works sometimes. Sometimes it doesn’t. I’m not happy about dying of old age (few are), but it’s going to happen. I can try to stay healthy, but I can’t prevent eventually dying of old age, so I don’t waste time trying.

    If people are unhappy with their government it is possible to change it…history is replete with examples. Everyone dies of old age. If all the people on the planet got together and tried to keep you from dying of old age, they would fail. You set up a straw man and that is why your analogy is piss poor. Don’t be so pessimistic, if people get together they can change the government an make a better government…but it will not be easy and will not be done through electoral means.

  196. @Realist

    “A true meritocracy may be the answer.”

    You might enjoy the book Listen, Liberal, by Thomas Frank, a Kansas liberal. He utterly destroys the managerial elite’s self-election as a “meritocracy.” It’s nothing but degenerate Calvinism without
    God: everyone striving to show that they are on top because they are one of the elect.

    Aristocracy works better. No aristocrat can pretend that anything other than pure, dumb luck is responsible for his position in life. As a result, they’re more likely to accept the responsibility of privilege along with the rights. The meritocrat? Good luck.

    • Replies: @Realist
  197. Realist says:
    @MarkinLA

    That is what we have already. Just ask any of these worthless Ivy League educated parasites that inhabit Washington and it’s outposts around the world.

    Because some ass clown says something doesn’t make it true. I mean a provable meritocracy.

  198. Realist says:
    @TomSchmidt

    Aristocracy works better. No aristocrat can pretend that anything other than pure, dumb luck is responsible for his position in life. As a result, they’re more likely to accept the responsibility of privilege along with the rights. The meritocrat? Good luck.

    I am not opposed to your suggestion, it has merit (pun intended)…I have had the same thought.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  199. @Johnny Walker Read

    Take a look at the Jeff Steinberg interview of Fletcher Prouty at the 36 minute and going forward, and you will see that JFK was going to exit Vietnam, the interview is on youtube.

  200. anarchyst says:
    @MarkinLA

    The “domino theory” was the dominant belief that directed the “course of action” that was taken.

    You appear to be the type (actually with the prevalent way of thinking at the time) that blamed the ordinary soldier for the prosecution of the war.

    By any chance, were you an anti-war protester?

    The Vietnam war was a result of an INVASION by the North, something that is never taught in any of the history books.

    It is probable that keeping the communists “tied up” in Vietnam saved other southeast Asian countries from being “communized”.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
    , @MarkinLA
  201. @Realist

    As I’ve said before, I suspect we align on most things.

    The world now is something like 5th century Rome in the West. When it collapsed, living standards dropped in the UK, not to return to Roman levels until centuries later, but living standards in most of the West rose as the burden of paying for the imperial bureaucracy was lifted. What caused the ultimate collapse, according to Pirenne, was the Islamic conquest of the East which cut off trade; later the Islamic conquest of Spain destroyed a rising Christian power there.

    The figure of Odoacer is intriguing in this regard. From the margins of the empire he motivated the disengaged young men and led a revolution. It ultimately failed, but others succeeded. That energy is latent, Realist, and requires a leader, who will need to be somewhere south of 40 to unleash it.

    Maybe it will be you.

    • Replies: @Realist
  202. @anarchyst

    Take a look at the interview of Col. Fletcher Prouty on youtube by Jeff Steinberg , this interview is about the Vietnam war and the JFK assassination and the bay of pigs.

  203. Realist says:
    @TomSchmidt

    What, literally, is the root of the word rational?

    Rational is based on or in accordance with reason or logic.

    Again, since you avoided the question: what “realist”ic action would you have people take, and what are you doing to offer them leadership? That revolution you dream about will get a lot of people needlessly killed; the good news is the survivors will not hesitate to frag their officers. Be careful what you wish for.

    You are avoiding the problem…you suggest hiding under a rock. How about you come up with a workable solution to America’s problem?

    You don’t need to write another screed, just succinctly lay it out.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  204. Realist says:
    @TomSchmidt

    Maybe it will be you.

    Not me way to old.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  205. MarkinLA says:
    @anarchyst

    I get that you are some kind of rabid anti-communist like I used to see when I worked at Hughes that believed every lie the US government told them. However, nothing of what you say would amount to anything worth sending people I know off to a war that served NO national security purpose of the US.

    The US was NEVER in any danger from communists in SE Asia. Neither were Australians, Japanese, or anybody that we really had an interest in defending.

    The Vietnam war was a result of an INVASION by the North, something that is never taught in any of the history books.

    Who cares? Why does it matter to people in the US? Who cares if the South was communist as long as they don’t build an armed force capable of attacking us? We trade with them now and they don’t seem to be interested in attcking us, do they?

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  206. anarchyst says:
    @MarkinLA

    Not a rabid anti-communist, merely a realist. Geopolitical decisions can be messy…

  207. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bombercommand

    On the McLaughlin Report about 20 years ago, Pat Buchanan cited a CIA report saying there was a good chance that Israel wouldn’t last more than 2 decades.

  208. @Realist

    OK, it’s a simple point, and arguable. I’ve been making comments in private life very much like those I make here, and so far no change. With my past training, I could conduct quite a sabotage campaign or a local reign of terror, but the fact is I haven’t and won’t — no point in just tearing things up and hurting people, in fact it’s bad. Participation in politics a few years back showed that the field was taken by professionals, no room for me. My assessments of the situation showed that the time was not yet ripe for success. Think of a snowflake trying to make a 1/4″ snowfall into an avalanche.

    There isn’t any point in charging the machine gun; it just means that somebody has to train a replacement. Wait until the time is right, then act. Until then, remember that you don’t have any friends who are trying to kill you (or your dependents), and to always avoid the kill zone in ambushes and, if you can’t have a set of immediate action drills all ready to go [1].

    Counterinsurgency

    1] And the other rule– given by Sonic the Hedgehog in Episode 1: Never chase hedgehogs in Formula 1 race cars. Not even once. I’ve followed that one pretty strictly, and you can too.

  209. @Realist

    Don’t be so pessimistic, if people get together they can change the government an make a better government…but it will not be easy and will not be done through electoral means.

    One of my themes is that when the time comes, the people will get together, sort of, from sheer desperation. Until that time, they won’t. Actually, I think this sums it up nicely:

    That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.-

    Declaration of Independence, so it’s not the foundation of law the way the Constitution is, but it strikes me as a nice description of our recent history. Except that one could argue the proposition that genocide is worse than Despotism.

    Counterinsurgency

  210. @Realist

    Rational is based on or in accordance with reason or logic.
    I used to think that, too. What it literally means is “calculating,” an idea derived from the ancient Greeks who a) invented coinage and b) looked for everything to be expressed as ratios, as in Pi and Phi. This idea developed from the concept of the coin, of which each of a type is equal to every other type; then the question becomes to value everything as a ratio of coins to objects. The rational person is trying to express everything as a ratio of two whole numbers; while Phi is the end result of the Fibonacci sequence, the closest they came to Pi was 22/7. Pi is, by definition, irrational.

    Being calculating means also being smart; you cannot easily do the math without quite a bit of mental horsepower. Of course, one advantage of computers is that they promise to devalue this sort of mental calculation; the rational, in other words, have set in motion their own destruction with the creation of computing.

    Is it possible to be calculating and yet illogical? You already know the answer to that.

    Of course, the logic of trying to express natural values as ratios stems from the equality of all coins. You can trace egalitarianism to the same source as rationality. I leave it to you to decide whether egalitarianism is logical.

    How about you come up with a workable solution to America’s problem?
    Broad, sweeping solutions will not work. That’s one thing I know for sure: it needs to be emergent. I cannot fix America’s problem, but I can fix one aspect of it: the triumph of the managerial elite in the last Medieval institution, academia. Well, I’m giving it my efforts. Drain power and pelf from unaccountable bureaucrats in that area; remove their sources of support; eventually, they collapse. MacArthur didn’t defeat front-line Japanese troops by head-on confrontation but but island-hopping and cutting their supply lines. The Soviets in 1941 and 1942 used human waves to exhaust Nazi supplies, but the inability to resupply cost the Wehrmacht first its advantage, then its existence.

    Hiding under a rock while the enemy is dropping bombs on you is a pretty good survival strategy. Staying there is not. Cut off your enemy’s supply lines is the general concept. Fighting DC directly will strengthen the Pentagon. Letting them show themselves as overpaid, ineffective tools for military dominance will eventually lead to their being cut off; my guess is the medical and drug lobbies will get the upper hand in deciding which ox gets gored, since there’s more money in 1/6th of the GDP than in the 1Trillion we spend on defense.

    What’s your general strategy?

  211. @Realist

    Then find a few young men and teach them. I’ve trained three in attacking aspects of the managerial elite; they’re fighting and may gnaw through enough of the supports to bring down the system; more likely, cut out some legs that support the system.

    Until those who hold power are required to display skin in the game, it will continue. Taleb’s idea of the entrepreneur as hero, as a man who willingly takes on fragility for himself so the overall society can learn, applies not just in economics.

  212. Realist says:
    @TomSchmidt

    What’s your general strategy?

    Remove the heads and support groups of the Deep State.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @TomSchmidt
  213. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    I.E., you have no strategy?

  214. @TomSchmidt

    That’s one thing I know for sure: it needs to be emergent. . . . Drain power and pelf from unaccountable bureaucrats in that area; remove their sources of support; eventually, they collapse.

    Right. Outside of Academia, urban areas / cities are deteriorating (depreciating their physical and social capital) because they cannot adequately compensate for their loss of economic functions (light manufacturing, transshipment) in the 1960s, which has drained their power and pelf. _That_ is the fundamental weakness of the current American political class.

    Hiding under a rock while the enemy is dropping bombs on you is a pretty good survival strategy. Staying there is not

    Most certainly. Almost up there with not walking into an ambush kill zone. Works better when the attack is light or harassing artillery than when it is an area saturation attack, but then nothing works optimally every time.

    Fighting DC directly will strengthen the Pentagon.

    Have to disagree with this one. The Pentagon cannot be strengthened by yet another low intensity conflict (LIC or “meatgrinder”) in which even the possibility of victory doesn’t exist. This stuff has been going on for almost 20 years now. It’s getting old.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  215. @anon

    I.E., you have no strategy?

    Ask any farmer: timing is everything in plowing, sowing, and reaping.

    Counterinsurgency

  216. @Realist

    When you strike at a king, you must kill him. Don’t miss.

    • Replies: @Realist
  217. @Counterinsurgency

    “Have to disagree with this one. The Pentagon cannot be strengthened by yet another low intensity conflict (LIC or “meatgrinder”) in which even the possibility of victory doesn’t exist. ”

    The Pentagon gets more money when it fights, not when it wins. Internally fighting Dc directly will strengthen the Pentagon. That’s what I meant.

    They’re getting a thousand cuts now, but they keep getting bandages.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  218. Realist says:
    @TomSchmidt

    When you strike at a king, you must kill him. Don’t miss.

    Absolutely.

  219. Realist says:
    @anon

    I.E., you have no strategy?

    You mean you don’t like it.

    What is your solution to America’s deep problems? Or do you even recognize it has problems?

    • Replies: @anon
  220. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    You stated a goal, not a strategy.

    (That’s not even to critque the merits of your stated goal.)

  221. Realist says:

    You stated a goal, not a strategy.

    (That’s not even to critque the merits of your stated goal.)

    strat·e·gy: a plan of action or policy designed to achieve a major or overall aim.

    Wrong…the goal is to end the Deep State.

    Strategy: Remove the heads and support groups of the Deep State.

    You did not answer my question. What is your solution to America’s deep problems? Or do you even recognize it has problems?

    …and it’s spelled critique.

    • Replies: @anon
  222. @TomSchmidt

    Tom

    I wish you were right, but DoD has been kicked to, ah, pieces. I won’t go into any details, but I can say that it’s about what you’d expect after 18 years of continuous no decision meatgrinder war. From public facts, you can see that the Pentagon has neglected advanced weapons research for the past 18 or so years, its major program during those years being “future soldier”, which produced nothing usable. US forces are now technologically inferior to RF forces in several important areas, and DOD makes no bones about that.

    This has happened before, in the 1970s. The US Army (and USAF and to an extent USN) was a “hollow force” after the Vietnam War. The Army, at least, was fixed by its NCO corps despite governmental attempt to convert it to a hipper version of the Dutch Army, and by Desert Storm the US Army was good again. Fixing it took money and effort — the NCOs didn’t do all the work, just the essential jobs that only they could do of restoring discipline, chain of command, an self respect. Given that, the officers could do their part.

    DoD might recover this time, might not. It won’t be helped by having to wage any kind of war with in the Continental US, and should probably be given a decade or so to recover. Otherwise secondary effects on US society and governmental legitimacy and the legitimacy of DoD’s command structure within DoD would be worse than any primary effect from any possible victories [1].

    Doesn’t mean that nobody is going to order more fighting, just that it isn’t going to work out just now, at least not in a way that will strengthen the US or DoD or even the defense contractors.

    IMHO, of course.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] Mike Duncan, _The Storm before the Storm_, had an interesting line: “Marius found himself in the embarrassing situation of being the first Roman in history who had conquered Rome”. Nobody wants that sort of honor.

  223. Apeon says:
    @mark green

    USSR was much more palatable to the liberal/globalists/slave.owning democrats than
    Christian Russia,,,,heavy emphasis on Christian.

  224. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    A typo-nazi isn’t a realist, lol.

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  225. Realist says:
    @anon

    Of course you evaded my questions for the third time.

    What is your solution to America’s deep problems? Or do you even recognize it has problems?

  226. I haven’t heard Professor Cohen comment on Patrick Byrne’s allegations.
    Wonder if he has contacted Byrne, who would probably be happy to answer his questions.

  227. Agent76 says:

    Nov 15, 2019 Ignoring It Won’t Make It Go Away: The Fed’s Bubble Will Burst

    It’s almost impossible to find a kernel of truth in the Empire of Lies. As is always the case, the outlook from the Federal Reserve is sunshine and rainbows. The President has the same erroneous view. But ignoring the biggest bubble that the Fed has ever created will not make it go away.

  228. @Giuseppe

    Sadly, there are not enough honorable men in the Senate to conduct such hearings. We must hope and pray that the Barr/Horowitz/Dunham team can put an end to this charade.

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