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Podcast of John Batchelor Show

Summary of Broadcast Produced by Yvonne Lorenzo:

As the New Cold War gathers up speed and escalates, we are entering a “fact free world” as allegations are made that are proved not to be true are promoted; for example, the allegation that the DNC was hacked by Russia has been officially debunked—no one could name the seventeen intelligence agencies, the Coast Guard was one. The notion of the hacking was cooked up by two agencies: by the DNI’s head James Clapper and Brennan at the CIA. Nevertheless, recently News Anchor Chuck Todd of NBC (the most pro-Russiagate network, the ones who shamelessly accused presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard of being a Russian asset) took it one step further: ignoring the facts, Todd again stated that seventeen intelligence agencies agreed that the Russians not only interfered in the election but that they swung the election to Trump. While interference is one thing, no one has previously made that allegation. Consequently, we are now in a fact free discourse in America: no evidence is necessary to prove anything, falsehoods are taken up by the legacy media, what Professor Cohen would call a world of tabloid gossip media, except in their favor the tabloids, fearing lawsuits, will do some fact checking, which is conspicuous in its absence in the legacy media. And Professor Cohen noted that it’s hard to get traction and you can’t have a conversation with someone when you don’t agree upon the facts.

In conversation on a cruise with fellow liberals, Professor Cohen noted most take the view that where there is smoke there is fire and there is something to these allegations of Russiagate and Putin’s control over Trump; they state the media wouldn’t continue to promote these conspiracy theories, these allegations about Trump’s nefarious relations with the Kremlin, without reason and so there must be something to them. Yet while facts have become absolutely critical Cohen notes you can’t get people to focus on the facts; for that reason, he feels despair and observes that for the first time in his life in his public discussions of Russia there are no basic premises that people accept any more, for if you say “If there’s smoke, there’s fire,” that is just not a logical way of thinking: you either have the facts or you don’t.

Batchelor also points out in the impeachment charges there is a great deal of presumption; there are no facts regarding the president as well, and he cites Trump’s letter to Nancy Pelosi and poses this question: what does the Kremlin think about the impeachment?

Cohen answers that the Russian high policy class in the 1990s—the America worship period—they and not just the youth, strongly believed that Russia’s future was with the West and America in particular, and now what strikes Russians most is the role of Russian intelligence services in the Western allegations. Pro-America Russians thought that American intelligence services didn’t play the role that the Soviet ones did. In Russian history classes and as a staple of popular culture, the sinister role of the “secret police” goes back to the Czarist era but what distinguished America was that it didn’t have anything comparable in abuses by its intelligence services—or so it was believed. Consequently, for those who looked up to America, it’s a source of disillusion and shock to learn that the American special services “went off the reservation” for quite a long time, not unlike Russia’s, and so they have become disillusioned while for those who tried to get Russians to be more nationalistic, their perspective is to say with gratification, “We told you so. Now will you please grow up!”

Russians call the American agencies “the organs” perhaps not being clear on the difference between the CIA and the FBI and conflating them. For Russians, the role of such agencies is baked into the culture and this has resulted in rethinking not only about America but about their own special services. An Op-Ed piece in a Russian liberal newspaper the Russian liberal author wrote, after watching what’s unfolding in America, we used to beat up on our intelligence services for decades but now maybe we need them. Contrary to a “cult of the intelligence services,” Cohen thinks what must be determined is the role of the American intelligence services in creating Russiagate from the very beginning.

Yet what is critical is to know how Russiagate began in America, with the Barr-Durham probe into the origins of Russia and Russiagate will continue to be a major issue in the 2020 election. What struck Cohen about the letter from Trump to Pelosi—which was so eloquent he doubts Trump wrote it—was that he understands it will be an issue in the 2020 elections, and it was a campaign document. That aside, Trump is aware that Democrats are campaigning still on Russiagate; nothing has turned up that it factual. Therefore, despite the absence of facts, this will be a major issue. Ukraine has turned into a stand-in for Russia.

Jennifer Rubin of the Washington Post, once a quintessential conservative, published an article titled “Time to Call out and Remove Putin’s Propagandist in America.” While the article is slightly cagier than that headline, essentially she wants to shutdown and deprive access to media who aren’t espousing and promoting the Russiagate/Russophobic narratives. Cohen condemns that kind of behavior is that. On opposite side of Rubin, Cohen stated he himself has never advocated the silencing and removal of those who promote among other falsehoods the provably false Russiagate narrative. He asks where are things drifting and he answers discourse and relations are becoming ugly and awful.

Returning to the past, he notes there was an assumption that Russia under Yeltsin would emerge as a replica and junior partner of America; Cohen believes those who promote the Russiagate narrative and demonize Trump because their “impossible dream” failed—Russia is too old, too vast to ever be a replica of America. What took Professor Cohen aback in the testimony from Fiona Hill and others was how deep and wide the Russophobia runs in the Washington think tanks. Until she spoke and testified he had no idea how much she—and the other Russia experts—hate Russia.

Batchelor noted this is the language of civil war in Trump’s letter; Trump uses the term “Star Chamber of partisan persecution” and “coup” which are the language of a country torn in half and he asked the question whether the weakening of the civil contract to be an advantage to Putin and Russia. Cohen notes every newspaper and media source in America say Putin is delighted since it is his goal is to foment disarray in America.

The fact is, however, this chaos and dysfunction and enmity is one of the last things Putin wants. Putin’s purpose is to rebuild Russia from the economic and political catastrophes of the 1990s; Putin’s role is to reverse the demographic trend—men died in their fifties in the 1990s—and spend funds on modernization; that would be his legacy. Four hundred billion dollars has been saved to implement the modernization program. That attempt would be taken with modernizing partnerships with the West. Therefore, the last thing he wants is a new Cold War; the last thing he wants is political turmoil in America or in any Western nation. Cohen points out President Macron of France appears to understand that; he called for a rethinking of relations and said there could be no European security without Russia. Macron has broken with Washington and there will be a hell of fight because Washington is against it. But the notion that Putin wants to disrupt American society is wrong; Putin wants stability and partners.

Cohen still thinks that leadership—the new President of Ukraine, Trump and Putin—could make a difference.

 
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  1. Antiwar7 says:

    “If there’s smoke, there’s fire” is an utterly stupid approach.

    It’s more like: if 95% of what’s been said has been debunked as lies, why would any non-moron accept the truthfulness of the other 5%?

    Or even more apropos: if you’re observing smoke that turns out to be fake (fake smoke!), why would you think there’s a fire?

    Someone is making the fake smoke.

    • Agree: ThreeCranes, AnonFromTN
    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
    , @Skeptikal
    , @anon
  2. RJJCDA says:

    I always listen to the Prof’s podcast shows at Batchelor. What bothers me is that so many Trump supporters and public commentators BELIEVE, or at least parrot the idea that Russia INVADED both western Ukraine and Crimea.

    As the Prof has pointed out and seconded by many others, Crimea has been a part of Russia since late 18th century. Because Khrushchev “gave’ it to Ukraine in 50s when it was all one country does not obviate the fact that Crimeans consider themselves Russians as proved by all polling and a plebiscite. They had permanent bases there and the alleged invasion was nothing more than politely escorting the Ukrainian military off from the peninsula without any injuries to either side. Some invasion.

    Surely some Russians (whether incognito military/intelligence forces or private citizens) were part of the Donbass forces that rebelled against Kiev. And they had good reasons to rebel witness the horrors of Odessa when 40 something citizens of Russian ancestry were burned alive trapped in a building by Ultra-Ukrainian nazi-like forces.

    Now Senate Foreign Relations committee, chaired by Senator from my state, has called for designating Russia as a “terror supporting state.” I emailed him and asked if he was insane. He returned a long letter that is full of obfuscations and lies, and I will compose a detailed response soon. But the question presents: is the Deep State and their globalists’ master deliberately trying to force Russia into a military alliance with China? Could we prevail against that combination? Haunting resemblance to conditions that created Ribbentrop/Molotov pact in late 30s. And what that foretell?

  3. Dan Hayes says:

    Note that this article is the thorough paraphrase of the podcast appearing at the base of the article.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
    , @Realist
  4. Back1 says:

    *All* mainstream media is propaganda from clown world. This defines our era in US. Mass psychosis is the new reality.

    The Russia nonsense tells me that US establishment people are stupid and self deluded, truly sad sack dummies.

    • Replies: @sally
    , @Justvisiting
  5. Isabella says:

    Well, I guess when you have such luminaries as members of the Council on Foreign Relations spieling the same level of ignorance, blindness, prejudice, propaganda and plain perverseness, you have to expect it from all levels of “Governance”
    For anyone who knows even a small amount about Russia and her leader, go listen to a recent YouTube convention headed Russia’s Resurgence: Prospects for stability in Russia-US relationship.
    One thing is for sure – as long as these supposed “think tank leaders” can deliberately blind themselves to reality as this trio did, and spout the utterly brain dead stupidity they used to instigate a Q & A, there is no hope whatsoever of any stability in Russia – US relationship.

  6. anonymous[356] • Disclaimer says:

    The people of the media lie because they are for sale and are paid to lie. Rather uninspiring but understandable: they do it for the money and to stay in front of the cameras. But what’s everyone else’s excuse? Putin is a Svengali who mind-controls Trump? I thought people like that wore turbans and robes. How stupid are Americans, anyway? Who’d have thought something like this would have any traction whatsoever? It’s simply incredible.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Minnesota Mary
  7. I was born into the Cold War in 1944. I got my draft notice in 1965. I had been expecting it all my young life. The Berlin wall did not fall until 1989.

    This new Cold War will be over soon. It will turn hot and we will all die or the “West” will collapse and will repatriate it’s legions. The Anglo/Zio Empire is in steep decline while Russia and her allies are ascendant.

    I agree that the truth is no defense against the “left”. Their long march is completed and they occupy the high ground whether it’s politics or culture. They have taken over the country just in time to preside over its demise.

    Russians who thought their future was with the West were not completely wrong. If the U.S. has a future it is probably with Russia.

  8. Vaterland says:

    There is a couple of points I would like to add on a changing European perspective on the dynamics between the USA and Russia, with Europe caught in-between.

    1.) After the Second World War the choice between Bolshevism and US liberal democracy seemed blatantly obvious; for Germany especially it was a question of national survival, since Stalin was viewed as a serious threat by the Adenauer government. Germany had actually enjoyed more internal independence from leading US doctrines in this period. US rule of law, the character of its elites and the general morality of the society had not completely degraded yet either. Today institutional erosion of American democracy, the rule of law and a cynical Neocon approach towards “promoting democracy abroad” turned the USA into a non-appealing leader of ‘the West’. The increasing “Sovietization” of its state apparatus emphasizes this point: the expansion of the surveillance state, selective access to real political and economic access to a select few of the privileged; often hereditary dynasties of oligarchs, a political-media complex of agitation and propaganda. Thus, the accusations against Russia (or China for that matter) about a lack of transparency, pluralism and the rule of law sound entirely hollow.

    2.) Thus secondly NATO has turned from a credible alliance of defense against the Soviet Union into a tool of US imperialism; especially after the USA has declared victory in the Cold War. Wars surrounding Europe and even inside of it – The Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and in Ukraine – were the result. Nations were destroyed, heads of state publicly executed or tortured to death like Muammar Gaddafi and millions of people were killed; many more were made homeless and a refugee crisis was created. And concealing wars of aggression as “human rights promotion” opened a can of worms for cynical nihilism as the new norm of US foreign policy – WMD lies, Abu-Ghuraib and NSA scandals included. Just as the established political-media apparatus is guilty of everything populism is accused of: post factual parallel realities, fake news and fake realities, systematic disinformation, social engineering and conditioning into hysteria and the frenzy of the mob. The pathology of the new US ruling class personified by Hillary Clinton and Madeleine Albright

    3.) There is indeed no lasting European stability imaginable without a permanent peaceful agreement between Western- and Eastern-Europe and Russia. Russia’s role as the Eurasian land bridge to China is also essential this century. Mutual agreement has to be found to settle old grievances and fears regarding Napoleon and Hitler on the Russian side and Stalinism and the Soviet Union on the European side. A situation which the USA also currently exploits for political destabilization – especially in Poland.

    4.) Germany, currently the central country in the EU, owes its unification largely to Russia. Unfortunately it was a mistake on the Russian side when they had unilaterally withdrawn all their troops from German territory, that they did not demand the same from US/NATO forces. In that moment the transformation of NATO was sealed and the New Cold War had begun. Yet while the attitudes of the older generations are shaped by the US-Soviet Union Cold War, for new generations it’s a different story. Increasingly the USA is seen as a more credible threat and/or bully with its war policy, real political meddling and especially in my country the fact that Germany was both forced to sanction Russia, which went against its own vital interests, and then be sanctioned as well.

    5.) I am leaving out the value and identity politics debate. Fundamentally the general public on both sides of the Atlantic agrees on the theory on foundations of functioning democracy. Although I do think that since the end of the last Cold War the influence of the USA has been more harmful and corrosive than helpful and stabilizing.

    Conclusion: In this new Cold War which was, I think, initiated by the US establishment, we could see a future in which Germany and Russia begin to view themselves more in the light of the Prussian-Russian coalition against the new “Napoleon”, the United States. Although this arising conflict could rightly be dubbed: The Unnecessary Cold War.

    • Agree: Miro23, niceland
  9. EdNels says:
    @WorkingClass

    It’s funny to hear ”

    that the truth is no defense against the “left”. Their long march is completed and they occupy the high ground whether it’s politics or culture.’

    Left…? Do you believe that the establishment crowd of Democrats (Liberals,) and the managed news (Liberals,) and others Liberals, neoliberals, neocons, or anything else comprising the Russiagate hoax can be describes as Leftist?

    It’s been determined that the Democrats intentionally jettisoned the Working Class decades ago. It shouldn’t be news to working people that they don’t have a party!

    It was a rational decision to unload the workers, and substitute special interest and identity politics, because of trends of the decline of union membership in age of technology, automation, and YUPPIES! The Democrats are now slick pretenders of social justice, but not left.

  10. @RJJCDA

    “… is the Deep State and their globalists’ master deliberately trying to force Russia into a military alliance with China? ”
    Hard to say what their intentions are. (The old ploy of unity at home by means of an external enemy ?) Whatever they are — US foreign policy (FO) re Russia should go down with Iraq (II) as among the US’s greatest FO blunders.
    As the Saker has pointed out– Russia & China are in symbiosis, which runs deeper than an alliance.
    Russiagate is a kind of “two birds with one stone” deal: you get to bash Trump & Russia using each as a club to beat the other. That this whole base concoction of lies seems to still have legs speaks volumes as to the deep of Trump derangement syndrome & the universality of msm propaganda.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Miro23
  11. @Dan Hayes

    Yes but the paraphraser should not go anonymous. Bad form.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    , @Bill Jones
  12. GMC says:

    Mr Cohen is so far ahead of Washington , when it comes to Russia and other foreign matters, it just boggles the mind of us normies. The Ukraine Gate is all about the Kyivian Jew Oligarchs, trying to oust the thief Democrats from all the IMF looting , that those Kyivians , had their eyes/hands on. It’s like – thanks for doing the Coup but all the money we get is – Ours for the looting. And there are hundreds of millions – missing. Russia Gate will go on, until the American public – ” Grows Up ” as Mr. Cohen says.

  13. What damns the US media, both anti-Trump and Fox News, is that America has been massively meddling in elections all over the globe since Day One, including Russia, and this is known or should be known to anyone with a basic knowledge of international relations, yet it is almost NEVER mentioned when the subject of Russian meddling comes up.

    There is a feeling that it would be unpatriotic (treasonous?) to admit it. This is something new for America. In the old days American foreign policy was sharply debated and America’s sins were much discussed by the left. But now, the left is on the CIA’s side. This probably has to do with the Jewishness of the left. Jews tend to hate Russia as much as they tended to like the Soviet Union. They see post-Communist Russia as politically incorrect (e.g. anti-gay) and Christian, a potentially nationalistic society that could turn anti-Semitic.

    Because of Russia’s nuclear capability it is not possible for the US to invade it, so we are relying on internal subversion and economic tactics to bring down Putin, leading to the installation of a US lackey with neocon approval. Even as we speak of Russian meddling the CIA is busy organizing and funding anti-Putin elements in Russia.

    “We’re just trying to spread democracy. What’s wrong with that!?”

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin, Miro23
  14. Yes, the nation has gone mad.
    Result is measured in rads.

  15. sally says:
    @Back1

    Stupidity does not produce the invention and promotion of lie after lie,
    Nor is stupidity consistent with the selection of the best lies from those total of lies generated.
    Only lies that work on the minds targeted are repeated.

    Repeat the lie but hide it, camouflage the lie with some truth, and embedded the lie into the propaganda that establishes the narrative, and then mass produce the lie embedded propaganda that establishes the false or misleading narrative is a complicated process. Repeat and repeat the false narrative is a hat trick that often deceives innocent minds into adopting, embedding and acting on beliefs established in innocent minds by mind control technology. These process are not consistent with stupidity, but instead suggest diabolical genius at work.

    When only the lies that work; that is, that control, deceive or influence innocent minds are repeated you are looking process which took intelligence to make work. Inventing lies takes imagination, producing them into propaganda takes skill, and promoting the produced invented lie takes money, power and access.

    Selection (of the best or most suitable lie) is an process that requires identification and sufficient intelligence to sort; while repetition requires the selected object be either committed to memory, or to be continuously and precisely regenerated for each promotion(campaign). Promotion is a delicate process; its success so dependant on so many things, that many people have obtained Phds from the subject matter that surround the technology of deceit.

    The point is that promoting false narratives is an invented developing technology that takes professionally trained persons to make work. Someone is paying the mind control professionals (MCPs) that are working to embed false narrative into the memory of the minds of the governed masses. MCPs are not stupid people. Not only are they highly trained professionals but also they don’t work for free. So who is paying them.

    for example look at the rul below. You might need first to visit the url https://duckduckgo.com and when at duckduckgo,com to paste it into the search space and hit go. It seems many browsers and search engines deny or make difficult user access to this website https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/12/28/614755/Russia-Poland-politics-World-war-NATO <in the url you will see the argument between fact and fiction.

    • Replies: @Back1
  16. Truth3 says:

    Larry King (excuse me … I mean Lawrence Harvey Zeiger) on RT is a real oxymoron… with RT being the oxy and Zeiger being the moron.

    This clown gave NeoCons a free pass for decades. No surprise there, for a Tribal “Kagan” of the Jews.

    • Agree: Patrikios Stetsonis
  17. Why is Steven Cohen credited with this article when obviously it is written by another? What gives, Unz? It is an example of the same facts twisting it rails against.

  18. gotmituns says:

    I don’t give a rat’s butt about trump’s impeachment or russia.

    • Replies: @sally
  19. Tom Welsh says:
    @Antiwar7

    “If there’s smoke, there’s fire” is not so much stupid as devious. You have to understand that many political leaders nowadays have realised that they don’t need hard facts and figures or logic to sway opinion.

    Increasingly, political divisions are tribal; and the worst condemnation is “you are not one of us”. Disagreeing with the party line shows that a person is “not one of us”.

    That is especially the case when the party line is obviously untrue. Then sticking to it is an absolute proof of devoted, unthinking loyalty. It’s more like a pledge of allegiance than a rational statement of fact.

    • Replies: @Antiwar7
  20. Foreigners have never understood that there are two Americas, nor how to differentiate which one they’re dealing with at any point in time.

  21. Realist says:
    @RJJCDA

    I always listen to the Prof’s podcast shows at Batchelor.

    I do as well…enjoy them very much.

    I agree with your comments.

    He returned a long letter that is full of obfuscations and lies, and I will compose a detailed response soon.

    You are wasting your time…he is paid extremely well to promulgate the dumbass dictates of the Deep State.

  22. Realist says:
    @Dan Hayes

    The author of this article is listed as Stephen F Cohen, but if that’s the case it’s written in the third person.

    WTF

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  23. Realist says:
    @WorkingClass

    I agree that the truth is no defense against the “left”. Their long march is completed and they occupy the high ground whether it’s politics or culture. They have taken over the country just in time to preside over its demise.

    It is the right as well…on important issue to the Deep State there is no right and left.

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
    , @Anonymous
  24. Does it really matter? America is already a Jewish/Bolshevik occupied nation?

    To achieve absolute power, Lenin focused on fomenting a class war, while Hitler set his sights on a race war. Either way, the divide-and-conquer modus operandi of fascist and communist demagogues is pretty much the same, no matter what each side might claim about the other. Their propaganda content may differ, but not so much their divide-and-conquer methods. Attitudes of supremacy come in a virtual rainbow of flavors and colors.

    https://thefederalist.com/2017/11/06/bolshevik-revolution-reveals-six-phases-freedom-communist-misery/
    Wake up fools, and quit putting your faith in political hacks, red or blue!!

    • Replies: @NobodyKnowsImADog
  25. theamericanconservative.com : “Forget Trump : The Military-Industrial-Complex is still running the show ” By Bruce Fein , July 18, 2018
    theintercept.com ” Defense contractors say Russian threat is great for business “

    • Replies: @Patrikios Stetsonis
  26. Sean says:

    Did Russian believe that any assurances could prevent Nato being drawn right up to the borders of Russia? Did Ukrainians believe the UK and US’s security assurances ‘against the threat or use of force against Ukraine’s territory or political independence’ could replace Ukraine’s possession of nuclear weapons? Zbigniew Brzezinski did speak of Russia “increasingly passing into de facto western receivership” .

    They say the Russians only heard what that wanted to hear, but the record suggests the Americans misrepresented their intentions, and gave assurances that the Russians took at face value. Russia permitted an American campaign to spent vast sums and organise Yeltsin’s reelection, which would not have happened without them. The Russian foreign minister at that time, Andrei Kozyrev, now lives in Miami.

    https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2018-03-16/nato-expansion-what-yeltsin-heardD.C., March 16, 2018 – Declassified documents from U.S. and Russian archives show that U.S. officials led Russian President Boris Yeltsin to believe in 1993 that the Partnership for Peace was the alternative to NATO expansion, rather than a precursor to it, while simultaneously planning for expansion after Yeltsin’s re-election bid in 1996 and telling the Russians repeatedly that the future European security system would include, not exclude, Russia.

    The declassified U.S. account of one key conversation on October 22, 1993, (Document 8) shows Secretary of State Warren Christopher assuring Yeltsin in Moscow that the Partnership for Peace was about including Russia together with all European countries, not creating a new membership list of just some European countries for NATO; and Yeltsin responding, “this is genius!”

    Christopher later claimed in his memoir that Yeltsin misunderstood – perhaps from being drunk – the real message that the Partnership for Peace would in fact “lead to gradual expansion of NATO”;[1] but the actual American-written cable reporting the conversation supports subsequent Russian complaints about being misled.[2]

    After obtaining a succession of huge US-backed IMF loans, being found on Pennsylvania Avenue, drunk, in his underwear and trying to hail a taxi cab in order to find pizza in 1995, Yeltsin chose Putin the teetotal former counterintelligence specialist to succeed him. What a sense of humour Yeltsin must have had.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  27. Dan Hayes says:
    @jack daniels

    I agree that the paraphraser should not go anonymous. But more important is to bring to the reader’s attention that a broadcast podcast is available at the article’s end.

  28. @Vaterland

    The American elutes might be forgiven theirvicious follies by Americans if they had not impoverished so many Americans and,at best leaving them struggling.

  29. @9/11 Inside job

    We do not call it “the Military-Industrial-Complex”.
    We do not call it “the Banks”.
    We do not call it “the FED”
    We do not call it “the Wall Street”
    We do not call it “the Media”

    Once for all, we call it: “the Jews”.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
    • Replies: @Christo
    , @9/11 Inside job
  30. @Realist

    Agreed. Truth is no defense against the Deep State which is neither left nor right.. Still, it is the ideological left that denies the existence of objective reality. For them there are no facts. Only subjective experience. Useful idiots and propagandists for the Deep State, they “know” Trump is a Russian agent because they can feel it. They don’t need no steenking evidence.

    The (left) media promote hatred. Orange Man Bad. The ideological left understands and enjoys hatred. They can feel it. When you hate somebody you are ready and eager to believe the worst about them.

    • Replies: @Eagle Eye
  31. Onebornfree says: • Website
    @WorkingClass

    “I agree that the truth is no defense against the “left”.”

    In other words, 2 + 2 = 5 [ to roughly quote Orwell]

    Polylogism rules! 🤮 : https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Polylogism

    Regards, onebornfree

  32. journey80 says:
    @EdNels

    Thank you. Well said, and not nearly enough.

    It’s my opinion that the relentless use of “left” to describe the neoliberal half of the Republicrat/Wall Street/war industry party is no accident.

    Describing the “Democrats” of the Clinton DNC as “left” is useful to discredit and marginalize any political stance that, fairly and realistically, could be considered “left.” It produces chaos and confusion, which is the objective of the neocon/neoliberal grifters who control both halves of the war party.

    • Replies: @Bill
  33. Dan Hayes says:
    @Realist

    I suspect that the paraphraser is our own Ron Unz since he strikes me as a hands-on operator. Secondary suspect is Phil Giraldi, UR’s National Security Editor.

    In any event it’s important to dissimulate Cohen’s views since he’s literally A Geopolitical Voice Crying Out in the Wilderness! For this both Batchelor and Unz are to be commended!!

    • Replies: @Realist
  34. Anonymous[645] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    There’s a left alright; there’s just no right. Since the 1960’s the conservative movement and Republican Party have conserved exactly nothing while the left has completely transformed America, successfully implementing much of the 1930’s communist agenda and turning the government into the enemy of the society at large.

    In his Myth of Religious Violence William T Cavanaugh points out that before the arrival of Frankfurter on the Supreme Court, religion, meaning chiefly Christianity, was held by the court to be the fundamental source of social cohesion and peace in America, while since the late 1940s and post-Frankfurter, religion, now meaning only Christianity, has been consistently held to be not only divisive, but the fundamental source of violence. The point is, this upending of society was accomplished by legislating from the bench, while the Republicans and Conservatism Inc, as we now learn, were funded to neutralize opposition, blowing smoke in Americans’ eyes about legalisms at a time when at least 90% of this country was conservative.

    Sites like The American Conservative and American Thinker, for example, are apparently funded to publish fawning material about the Jews and Israel that the latter would be too ashamed to write themselves, which also pretty much sums up the Republican’s m.o. in Congress.

    It’s about time the American electorate saw candidates for national and state office as figureheads for their largest donors, who’re presently portrayed as almost incidental by the msm. Instead of saying that Mitch McConnell or Lindsey Graham said this or that, accuracy requires we say Paul Singer and Sheldon Adelson’s spokesman in the Senate, some so-and-so stooge, said this or that. It’s the same on both sides of the aisle, obviously, and it turns out that the owners of both parties are kin when it comes to destroying the social fabric of this country for their own hateful reasons.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Oldtradesman
  35. Christo says:
    @Patrikios Stetsonis

    You forgot , an aspect. “We do not call it Z.O.G.”
    Which commands and guides the US government in both domestic and foreign policy.

    On similar note to your closing statement ,
    To quote Treitschke 1879 “The Jews are our misfortune”

  36. Meanwhile, the barking mad cow Maddow now claims:

    ““really, literally is paid Russian propaganda.””

    Is not meant to be a statement of facts.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/maddow-meltdown-defense-oan-lawsuit-host-argues-her-words-are-not-facts

  37. @jack daniels

    I see this line, at the beginning

    “Summary of Broadcast Produced by Yvonne Lorenzo:”

    Not good enough?

    Or is it a later (unacknowledged) addition?

    Do we now need a correction to the correction?

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  38. Antiwar7 says:
    @Tom Welsh

    I totally agree with you. I’m just trying to heap public scorn on that approach. Because if you look at it clearly, it’s ridiculous.

  39. The zionists hate Christians and since Russia is becoming more Christian the zionists hate towards Russia has reached a hysteria that is only matched by their demonic hate of Christians and one of the ways to strike at Russia is through lies and false flags blamed on Russia.

    The ZUS is winning the war against Christians here in America with abortions and pedophilia in high places and the worship of satan in Hellywood and elsewhere and the penetration of the Christian churches by zionist elements.

    The zionists will not stop until America is destroyed, zionism is the most dangerous element in America.

    Read the Protocols of Zion, it is all right there.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  40. @Back1

    *All* mainstream media is propaganda from clown world. This defines our era in US. Mass psychosis is the new reality.

    The Russia nonsense tells me that US establishment people are stupid and self deluded, truly sad sack dummies.

    Several commenters around here have claimed the Apollo moon landing hoax “does not matter”.

    [MORE]

    It is old news, not relevant to today, too controversial, etc.

    The problem is that once the elites get away with lying, it encourages them to do more of it. This hoax _is_ going to be exposed, and fairly soon–and it may unravel the whole ball of string of intelligence agency and mass media lies.

    It is _not_ a left/right issue, so folks of any and all political persuasions will be able to accept it without crushing their ideological dreams.

    Check out this article from NASA itself: https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/rbsp/news/third-belt.html

    This and related new discoveries (on why the Apollo manned moon missions were technically impossible) are discussed in this recent book:

    Every space program (national, private) _must_ solve this problem. Lying won’t work. They have to deal with it–and the truth is going to get out–soon.

  41. Anonymous[645] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desert Fox

    Judaic identity is essentially about hating Christians, as the Talmud makes clear, and as most anyone who’s worked with Jews on Wall Street will attest. Michael Hoffman proves this in his books on Judaism, pointing out that modern Talmudic Judaism came into being nearly two centuries after the rise of Christianity and in opposition to it.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  42. Ahoy says:

    Ezra Pound. Is there around a literature professor, that can hold the weight of the title, to talk about him to American youth? Hell noooo!!

    Fasten your seat belts then, because the historic American nation is crushing.

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
  43. Miro23 says:
    @animalogic

    “… is the Deep State and their globalists’ master deliberately trying to force Russia into a military alliance with China? ”

    Hard to say what their intentions are. (The old ploy of unity at home by means of an external enemy ?) Whatever they are — US foreign policy (FO) re Russia should go down with Iraq (II) as among the US’s greatest FO blunders.

    Agreed that it’s a mistake, but when they’ve successfully pulled off the WMD lies, the 9/11 fakery, the destruction of Iraq, Libya etc., control the US media, and can dictate to Congress, then it’s understandable that they get rather arrogant.

    They simply want to kick Russia and Putin because he was the one that spoiled their Yeltsin looting party – and worst of all arrested and imprisoned their top guy Khodorkovsky. That it drives Germany and the EU towards Russia and strengthens Russian ties with China is secondary. After all, Hitler (after great military success), likened invading Russia to kicking down a rotten barn door, and he didn’t work out the implications of declaring war on the US.

  44. Realist says:
    @Anonymous

    I agreed with you, except there is a Deep State and it is not made up of just Jews. But I do concede that Jews are disproportionately represented, as both sponsors and minions, for their demographics.

    I believe the Deep State consists of the very wealthy who are greedy for more wealth and power. There are 607 billionaires in the US. There is no reason for the Deep State members to formally collude…they all know what needs to be done and how to do it. They use a relatively small amount of their money to place their minions in positions of power…heads of the movie industry, the media, the federal government, academia. From then on if the lessers in these groups want to keep their jobs/lives they will toe the line. It becomes self sustaining from tax money and the Deep State glories in more wealth and power. Here is an excellent example of the Deep State in action: The SCOTUS has passed down egregious decisions that abridge the First Amendment and show contempt for the concept of a representative democracy. Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U.S. 1976 and exacerbated by continuing stupid SCOTUS decisions First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti, Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission and McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission.
    These decisions have codified that money is free speech thereby giving entities of wealth and power almost total influence in elections. By gaining control of the SCOTUS the Deep State is able to further their goals.

    Another take on the Deep State:
    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/11/14/understanding-the-deep-states-propaganda/

    • Replies: @Exile
  45. vinteuil says:
    @Vaterland

    NATO has turned from a credible alliance of defense against the Soviet Union into a tool of US imperialism

    That’s the bottom line, here.

    NATO may once have had a reason for being. But now it’s just a monstrous golem, lurching uncontrollably towards global catastrophe.

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
  46. Back1 says:
    @sally

    Ok. I’ll pass on clarification of my too brief comment. Your elaboration is food for thought.

    Note that MCP in Tron was Master Control Program.

  47. @EdNels

    The Democrats are now slick pretenders of social justice, but not left.

    Excellent summary. What goes under “left” moniker (Cultural Marxist, “communists”, socialists etc.) in the West nowadays is not left. Agree. it is just another iteration of Neo-liberal politics serving as a substitution for dealing with actual problems of Labor.

  48. @Patrikios Stetsonis

    politico.com : “The happy-go-lucky Jewish group [Chabad-Lubavitch] that connects Trump and Putin”:

    “Their respective ambitions led the two men[Trump and Putin] – along with Trump’s future son-in-law, Jared Kushner -to build a set of close, over-lapping relationships in a small world that overlaps on Chabad , an international Hasidic movement most people have never heard of .”

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
    • Replies: @Anon
  49. sally says:
    @gotmituns

    @ gotmituns <=Why then did you read the article?

    At the heart of the impeachment process (Article II, Section 2, paragraph 3 and 4) are two questions that should interest most folks: @ paragraph 3 lays out a big part of Trump's defense in my view "Section 3 requires ..that the President shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, <=execution requires action so which law did the President not execute faithfully? <= I do not see such a question in the Articles of Impeachment.. @ Sec II, Art. II, paragraph 4 "The President shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.. " < the house found evidence it says, strong enough to indite the president on charges that .. he violated which of these 4 things?

    Some think Trump should have been impeached for failure to deliver his tax Return.. but I do not see failure to deliver a tax return as failure to execute a law, or as a high crime, or as treason, or as an act of Bribery, or as a misdemeanor.. so the current impeachment indictment by the House against Trump reveals that the constitution is inadequate. The constitution does not express a government that can protect the Americans such a government governs; from the possibility, or the reality, that a deceitful president will be empowered to that job?

    The best governed Americans can hope for from the USA is that the Congress of the USA rather than impeaching will decide to amend the constitution, so that the constitution denies any one that can be shown to be deceitful, to be the President. This one amendment could eliminate making campaign promises and do just the opposite once in office.

    Of course such an amendment would mean few in politics today could be the President.
    Most likely no matter the outcome of the impeachment, Trump will probably be reappointed President by the electoral college.. (recall that persons who animate the functions allowed to the USA to governed Americans are not elected by those who the USA governs. (Americans c/n vote for their president or their vice president because President and VP are article II persons; and article II persons are appointed to office by processes conducted at the state level, that appoint persons to the electoral college, and it is the electoral college that elects the President and the Vice President). Who has written a book on the electoral college? I have requested information from the government on the electoral college activities since the beginning and to date have received nothing but referrals to others.

    • Replies: @gotmituns
  50. @EdNels

    Left…? Do you believe that the establishment crowd of Democrats (Liberals,) and the managed news (Liberals,) and others Liberals, neoliberals, neocons, or anything else comprising the Russiagate hoax can be describes as Leftist?

    No. I do not believe that. I agree with you entirely. But common usage has the people you are talking about as LEFT and I am tired of bitching about it.

  51. Exile says:
    @RJJCDA

    Russia no more “invaded” Ukraine than the United States “invaded” Texas, Ohio or Florida. Ukraine has been a Russian fiefdom for centuries longer than it has ever been “independent,” and its fate is no more the business of the United States or Western Europe than the fate of Hong Kong or Syria should be.

    • Agree: mark green
  52. Exile says:
    @Realist

    Exactly. Convergent interests are sufficient – no grand cabal or conspiracy is necessary to explain what we observe with our lying eyes.

    To the extent one is ever necessary, that’s where guys like Epstein come in.

    • Agree: Realist
  53. Skeptikal says:
    @Antiwar7

    I agree that someone is making the fake smoke.
    A.K.A. lies.

  54. gotmituns says:
    @sally

    I never read the articles.

  55. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    Please just let me ask americans some opinions about ……

    if pastor John Hagee and his followers are jews or christians ? , if the thousands of pastors in the USA like Hagee and their millions of followers are jews or christians ? if the US puritan founding fathers were jews of christians ? , if the british angloisraelites are jews or christians ? , if the yankees are jews or christians ? if the wasps are jews or christians ? if the US ” deep state ” is jew or chistian ? , if the US masses are jew or christian ? ……

    ……. because blaming the jews all the time of every problem and pretending that that the anglo-yankees are so pure and naive does not seem to be very realistic ……

    Maybe ” Jews Я US ” ? what do you think ?

  56. anon[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @Antiwar7

    Americans should have believed into the existence
    of thousands Mayan gods when they first saw the smoke billowing out of the sacrificial pit in front of the menacing idols.

  57. Some things never change. Russiagate is no aberration. Establishment Authority, police state apparatuses and religious catechisms, are NOT based on reasoning and evidence, but rather fact-free Narratives handed down from above and grounded by Fear of the Other, the bogeymen (be it Russians, White Supremacists, Black men, Assad, Trump, the Devil, etc), without which authority will collapse. As the historian Will Durant noted, Strabo said it best 2000 years ago:

    “For in dealing with a crowd of women… a philosopher cannot influence them by reason or exhort them to reverence, piety or faith; nay, there is need of religious fear also, and this cannot be aroused without myths and marvels…the founders of states gave their sanctions to these things as bugbears wherewith to scare the simple-minded.”

  58. @Anon

    John Hagee, his followers and other Christian Zionists are morons. Happily, they are not nearly as common as you imply. Being a Christian Zionist takes a special kind of stupid

    I cannot see Haggee without immediately recalling Christ’s warning to beware of obese wolves in sheep’s clothing, who take jiggly church secretaries and XXXL Italian silk suits as proof of God’s blessing.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
    , @Anon
  59. Cohen is another Jewish voice in the Jewish Mafia War between factions. I don’t consider him that insightful or honest, as he never mentions the glaringly obvious: the attempt to oust Trump is a Jew Coup.
    Start telling the truth about the Hostile Elite destroying America Cohen. Until then you are just another lying Jew destroying the country that welcomed your ancestors.
    When will the Traitors be routed out and hung?
    No country can withstand Treason from Within going unpunished for any length of time. We either destroy these scum or they will destroy America.

    • Replies: @mark green
  60. @Anon

    Do you work for free? It is the payroll stupid,

  61. Z-man says:

    I gotta hand it to Larry King, even with one foot in the grave he’s still doing these interviews and with Professor Cohen no less. Kudos to the old coot. (Grin)
    Steven Cohen should be a special advisor to the POTUS. It would be a demotion for Cohen but good for Trump and for America.

  62. Agent76 says:

    Jun 8, 2018 Putin hints at end of dollar system – Direct Line 2018

    Vladimir Putin has held his 16th Direct Line Q&A on June 7th.

    Jul 4, 2019 Despite US Pressure Russia Strengthens Oil & Gas Cooperation With Iran And Vows For More Support

    Russia and Iran intend to increase their bilateral commodity trade. After the first four months of this year, this index amounted to around $700 million, and states still have goals to achieve.

  63. “Putin wants stability and partners.”

    A truer statement could not be made.

    What is remarkable is that so many prominent Americans could say the opposite.

    Of course, if a powerful country is guided by blindness, the risks are clear and they are enormous.

    Yet relatively few in America seem to care.

    I depart from Cohen’s view that the leadership of Trump – combined with that of Putin – could make a difference. Despite a few early encouraging words about Russia, I just do not see where Trump has provided any leadership.

    Putin is a remarkable statesman, but he is in no position to overcome an American establishment hell-bent on opposing every reasonable effort. That’s part of why so much of his attention has been turned toward Asia and the larger world.

    Trump’s early encouraging words about Russia only provided a target for America’s Russo-phobia mania, a condition always present in gigantic, self-perpetuating, and scarcely-scrutinized bureaucracies like CIA and the FBI, but something also seized upon since the election by the Democratic Party both to explain its loss and to intimidate future voters.

    Induced chaos is nothing new as a means used to gain power. The CIA uses it in virtually all of its coups abroad. So, it should come as no surprise that there are forces, privileged establishment interests, ready to employ the same approach inside the United States, so comfortable have they grown with it.

    The trouble is that Trump is simply not a real leader. He is a bully towards opponents and towards the entire world in matters of trade and military policy, but that is not leadership. He himself represents just another form of chaos.

    That is the United States’ real problem. It has no leadership, in either party or in the major “organs” of the state, only a pretty ugly class of people – corrupt, privileged, arrogant – who influence the direction of events and feel entitled to tell others how to run their affairs.

    The situation very much reflects America’s general relative decline, much resembling that of a decayed once-great merchant family, as a new order in world affairs prepares to make its debut.

    I tend to doubt the impeachment will succeed, despite my views that what Trump did very much is inappropriate and that impeachment in America is largely a political act.

    But if that proves to be the case, it is no great mercy for the county or the world. It means four more years of a poor leader making great bellowing claims about nothing.

    The Democrats, too, are bereft of real leadership in the candidates for the nomination. Some of them are almost ridiculous, much like figures in current popular culture, and none of those with any chance opposes imperial wars and hostility towards Russia.

    However, the Democrats, in holding up the indictment (the articles of impeachment), are very much looking for added elements, as those likely to come from scrutiny of Trump’s financial and tax records, should access to them be gained. He is an unscrupulous man, and I have little doubt those records could provide rich veins of impeachment material.

    They are likely also looking to other potential high-level insider witnesses to Trump’s shady methods, potential witnesses whom Trump dismissed at various points.

    Well, even were the impeachment to succeed, the only gain would be an end to Trump’s glaring, half-lunatic faces and ugly-kid complaining and bellowing. There are no meaningful likely alternatives in the Democratic Party.

    On Putin, readers may enjoy:

    https://chuckmanwordsincomments.wordpress.com/2019/08/06/john-chuckman-comment-china-russia-and-the-united-states-in-the-21st-century-some-difficult-and-dangerous-times-ahead-as-the-world-now-rapidly-evolves-in-ways-america-rejects/

    https://chuckmanwordsincomments.wordpress.com/2019/03/05/john-chuckman-comment-reflections-on-putin-as-a-leader-and-on-the-world-situation-in-which-he-works/

    • Replies: @Alfred
  64. @RJJCDA

    politely escorting the Ukrainian military off from the peninsula without any injuries to either side

    It was even funnier than that: ore than 80% of Ukrainian military in Crimea switched sides and signed up for service in Russian army. But Western MSM won’t tell you that: it’s a post-truth period, after all.

    • Agree: Alfred
  65. @Sean

    Frankly, I don’t believe the fable that Yeltsin voluntarily ceded power and selected Putin. Let’s remember history: the second Chechen war just started back then. It was obvious that without significant changes in Russia it would have been lost just as ingloriously as the first. The military and intelligence would be blamed for this defeat and made scapegoats again. I strongly suspect that these people saw the writing on the wall and gave Yeltsin an ultimatum: ether he resigns “voluntarily” and gets full amnesty, or they remove him forcibly and then try him for all his crimes. He deserved gallows just for the bloody coup of 1993, not to mention rampant thievery of Russian state resources. Apparently, Yeltsin chose amnesty. Remember, the first Putin’s decree as president gave full amnesty to Yeltsin and his family. I also suspect that the same military guys chose Putin in the hopes that he will do exactly what he is doing.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Learner
    , @Alfred
  66. Jennifer Rubin of the Washington Post, once a quintessential conservative, published an article titled “Time to Call out and Remove Putin’s Propagandist in America.”

    Rubin? quintessential conservative? That’s a fuckin’ laugh. Show me one conservative piece SHE ever wrote, or even sneaking UP on conservative she ever wrote. Soon as I saw that, the piece lost its pizzazz. How anyone perceives such things renders all else moot.

    • LOL: Z-man
    • Replies: @Z-man
  67. Anon[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    I agree completely that russiagate debacle, to state the obvious, is all about money and for the coup players power as well.

    The people in the press are making out very well financially, e.g. maddow, and of course the coup player are getting tons of support from the oligarchs.

    It is impossible to hold intelligent discourse, to overcome the lies, when the financial and power stakes are so high to continue the lies.

    As someone once said, it is impossible to convince someone of the wrong when that person’s job (or financial wealth) depends on that someone continuing to believe (or carry out) the wrong (or words to that effect).

  68. refl says:
    @Vaterland

    That is what you have grown up with as a West German teenager pre 1990. You would have learned to fear the Russians in your bones, and I do not want to naively brush off the very real trauma of that part of the war. In the end Angloamericans always dropped their bombs from up high and they would send in a rather small military of on the whole educated men only at the end. And the deeply traumatized Germans were happy that they could speak to them.
    On the other hand, the Red Army came as an extremely angry peasant army, who had seen to much and who had suffered to much from both the Germans and the own superiors to be friendly.
    They did not come in a condition to make a good impression. Neither did they bother.

    Angloamericans brought with them the rule of law after fascism and they brought democracy.

    And now let’s go Nietzsche and reevaluate all values (Umwertung aller Werte):
    Konrad Adenauer was the in law of American high commissioner John Mc Cloy. He was chosen first and then presented to the sheepish Germans to elect him, which was a good thing for them to do, as they gained prosperity under his puppet rule.

    The first thing the Americans did as rule of law was to host in the destroyed city of Nuremberg the war crimes trials, after having renounced to every idea of lawfulness in the London agreement.
    This farce is being held high to this day as the gold standard of international justice.

    The Germans could once again be a power on the European level together with the French – which made sense, for the mutual antipathy of both had been the root cause of both World Wars.
    Only, that both De Gaulle and Adenauer knew very well that they only ruled as extension of the American empire.

    With the end of the Cold War, the frontier has simply shifted eastward. Germans and French holding opinions on international affairs are just a nuissance, but the French are at least cynical enough to pick their – ever diminishing part of the loot in North Africa and run with it, while todays generation of German leaders are really as dump as to believe in the holiness of the western community of values.
    There will be a come back for Germany, only that those Germans will be more dark skinned and more hairy, they will be Muslims and they will speak a weird language still under development. I am all for it.

    • Replies: @Vaterland
  69. Agent76 says:

    Dec 26, 2019 China, Russia and Iran do naval ‘power rebalancing’ in the Gulf of #Oman

    Washington panics as de facto anti-imperial group – #China #Russia and #Iran – does a ‘power rebalancing’ exercise in the Gulf of #Oman.

  70. @WorkingClass

    If the U.S. has a future it is probably with Russia.

    If Putin would offer free homesteading and Russian language classes to American Christians of European descent he could possible attract some of the most able-bodied and productive members of American society away to Russia, thus proving a boom to Russian economy, unlike a lot of immigrants that come to America and are a drain on the economy. How many White and / or Christian Americans are looking for an escape hatch? But they don’t want to go alone. But what if there was a whole community of like-minded people waiting over there, or going at the same time?

    I know – probably TGTBT!

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  71. Z-man says:
    @Jim Christian

    Right she’s as conservative as the late William F. Kunstler who is better looking than her in his current state. (Grin) Yeah, I saw her making the rounds on the anti Trump channels a year or two ago. I can see why she hasn’t been on lately. She reeks ugly. Hurts the eyes.

  72. utu says:
    @Vaterland

    “…to settle old grievances and fears regarding Napoleon and Hitler on the Russian side and Stalinism and the Soviet Union on the European side…”

    Fears about Napoleon and Hitler are irrational but they are cynically exploited by Kremlin which leads to Stalin nostalgia and re-Bolshevization of Russian propaganda and historical politics.

    The bottom line is that Russia w/o Ukraine and hopefully w/o Belarus is better for Europe.

    • Replies: @refl
    , @Alfred
    , @Robjil
    , @Vaterland
  73. barr says:
    @Vaterland

    The U.S. ambassador to Hungary during George Bush senior’s administration remarked in 1989: ”I’m open about supporting the opposition parties, including getting money for them from the National Endowment for Democracy’, and added, ‘I think we should be proud of it’ (Kamm 1989).
    Kamm, H. (1989). ‘Godollo Journal: How to disarm Hungary (hamburgers? tennis?)’. New York Times. October 4. Online edition.

    He did say this while being feted by Hungarian public and politicians .

    Choice was forced by NED Soros, USAID,Heritage Foundation, Freedom House, Radio free / BBC World service .There was a binary situation. One was defeated maligned and tainted with starvation invasion Godlessness and propaganda machine- so, the other side claimed .

  74. refl says:
    @utu

    The bottom line is that Russia w/o Ukraine and hopefully w/o Belarus is better for Europe.

    Russia without Europe would probably be better for Ukraine. I’m sorry to keep riding this horse over and over, but that thingy called the West has simply lost all legitimacy. This is tragic, but this whole posturing West versus Russia has become so farcical that nobody with a functioning brain should any longer fall for it.
    Do you really believe that the Empire is good for anything more then robbery? And I would love to imagine Europe as being able to give hope to people who want to be and who want to live “like us”. It is heardbreaking that people still look up to the West.
    Just come of it. A population that can read newspapers that promote Russiagate without dying of laughter cannot be intelligent. Peoples, who have shot themselves in the foot like Europeans and North Americans have over the last decades, do not deserve respect. Learn to get real and maybe there is hope behind the horizon – just maybe.

  75. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    Read the book ” The american religion ” , by Harold Bloom , it is a must to understand the US .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Religion

    Bloom says that the american religion is a kind of gnosticism , it not any more Christian , it is centered in the Old Testamant , it is judaizing , but that the God of America is none other than
    America herself .

  76. @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    You make some good points but you should at least concede that Cohen is treating Trump with fairness. Cohen is also sticking it right in the face of a lot of powerful Trump-haters. That clique is organized, money-connected, hysterical, and still clinging bitterly to the fraudulent ‘Russiagate’ theory. You can bet that Cohen has taken a lot of heat for his evenhandedness. He deserves credit.

    On the other hand, you are quite correct to note that Cohen’s Jewishness remains, in a general sense, an ongoing problem for us non-Jews. Not only do we need to regain a more equitable balance of power between the interests of Jews and gentiles in American life, but European-descended peoples should also be allowed to express their racial kinship with other whites just as Jews, blacks, and Hispanics do vis-a-vis their recognized ‘communities’.

    Incredibly, American life has, in this regard, been turned on its head. Only designated ‘minorities’ get to erect walls (or crash them) while others get to maintain their exclusive ethnic enclaves and ethno-states. But for America’s founding stock, the natural expression of racial kinship and continuity is forbidden and deplored. This is unfair.

    Modern myths, taboos, and laws have been concocted to fortify anti-white double standards. They must be repelled. Don’t hold you breath however waiting for any professor named ‘Cohen’ to lead the way. Few concepts are more discomforting to any self-identified Jew than ‘white cohesion’. We atomized whites are expected to support, root-for, and subsidize triumphant Zionism–yet with no reciprocal obligation from our Jewish friends.

    This is the fake, destructive, kosher universe in which we live. Had enough?

    As for Russiagate, it doesn’t take a Jewish scholar to debunk the media-driven notion that Putin stole the US presidential election by tricking a small number of unsophisticated American voters using a low-budget internet campaign. That ridiculous theory was pure baloney from the start. It’s been nurtured and elevated however every step of the way by America’s glorious and deceptive ((news media)).

    Any astute and honest observer must realize that it is Israel (and its countless US-based minions) that meddles most effectively in all facets of American life, elections included. Russian influence, by comparison, doesn’t come even close. (Prof. Cohen leaves that part out.) But let’s give him credit for recalling the Yeltsin era when, with essential US government help and interference (under Clinton), Russia re-elected a Zio-American stooge who allowed the wholesale looting of his nation by a cabal of ‘pro-democracy’ oligarchs, nearly all of whom were Jewish. This fits a familiar pattern. (See Andrew Joyce’s ‘Vulture Capitalism is Jewish Capitalism’)

    Unfortunately (for us) in addition to the Jewish capacity for world-class financial chicanery, the overwhelming majority of Jews in the world are also attracted (secretly, in many cases) to their ancient worldview which holds that the Jewish People are special (superior) and chosen to ‘rule the nations’.

    Since Jews are tight-knit, global, highly intelligent (often), frequently messianic, sometimes devious, purpose-driven, economically powerful and ruthless when necessary, their rising dominance poses a genuine threat to world order and the rule of law.

    • Agree: Robjil
  77. The same neocon cabal leading the forever impeachment of DonaldtheMenace also wages permanent cold war with Russia. Therefore they will inevitably bring about constitutional crisis at home and hot war with Russia. The cabal knows no limits.

    As another commenter has pointed out, the creation of chaos is CIA standard operating procedure. So the neocons’ eternal machinations suit the Family’s purposes quite well. They lead directly to Deep State’s seizing dictatorial control of the country–“for the good of the people.” This is the tragic and ineluctable fate of ‘Murka Breaking Bad.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
    , @Michael888
  78. @Z-man

    She reeks ugly. Hurts the eyes.

    Most of the female typists for the newspapers are Fuggley. Appearance doesn’t matter, the brain matters with Smart Women, right? Meanwhile, every one of them has a glamour photo next to their names in their articles. From 30 years ago. NYTimes’ Maureen “I can’t find a man of my intellectual worth anywhere on Earth” Dowd has a fizz looks like a catcher’s mitt on TV, but her scribblings still sport the same Glam-Shot from FORTY years back.

    Looks matter to them, believe me, especially after their looks are left behind on that Wall they smashed into at high-velocity 20-40 years back and >75-150 pounds more they carry today. They never want to give up their glam-shots, ever. Rubin is hideous.

  79. JackOH says:

    “. . . [W]e are entering a ‘fact free world’ [passim] . . .”.

    Yes, agree. I’ve attended at least one discussion in an academic setting in which it was painfully clear from the outset the participants hadn’t a whit of subject matter knowledge beyond the most cursory street-level knowledge. But, their chatter was fit into an academic setting, some participants were Ph. Ds (talking outside their academic specialty), there was publicity for the discussion, and that was that.

    The sheer mass and presumed authority of the participants effectively meant that someone saying “You’re both wrong as to the facts of what you’re talking about” would have been ignored if he’d spoken softly, and forcibly ejected if he’d loudly insisted on being heard.

    Something’s seriously wrong when universal literacy, mandatory schooling, academic freedom, and the First Amendment (in the States) offer little or no safeguard against completely mischievous debates founded on ignorance.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  80. deepstateblog.org : ” Impeachment frenzy sets Trump against the CIA ” By Jefferson Morley :
    “The long – impending constitutional crisis has arrived courtesy of a CIA whistleblower . If his or her complaint was conceived as a covert political action it could not have been more effective…Trump has taken a punch , apparently from the CIA …The role of the CIA is unsettling …The complaint against Trump was written by a committee of spies …the whistleblower was advised by CIA superiors , including lawyers , before submitting his complaint …”

  81. Sean says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Professor Stuermer’s book says the greedy clans around Boris Yeltsin wanted him to stay on, but he was determined to go after his second term in accordance with the constitution. General Lebed had popularity, diplomatic skills, and was seen as a relatively friendly Russian nationalist in the West. If the military wanted their own man it would have been Lebed. Putin issued an ultimatum to Chechnya then flattened Grozy with heavy weapons, which probably was the most efficient way to handle it, and actually better than anything an ex airborne general would have done.

    Putin had permanent access to the President for years, and Yeltsin must have known when appointing Putin as successor that under him Russia would push back against the West. During a 1994 conference in St Petersburg, the then obscure City official Putin became agitated about the Western experts enthusing about salvation through the EU and stability through Nato in relation to Russia’s near abroad. He took the microphone to announce –in a clutch their pearls moment for the audience– that the fate of 20 million Russians outside the borders of the Federation was “a question of war or peace ” for Russians.

    Given the oil price rise that dealt Russia a glorious hand, I think the only thing that would surprise old Boris is how long it took for Putin to get kinetic. Yeltsin must have been laughing inside while reassuring the Americans about Putin taking over.

  82. Alfred says:
    @John Chuckman

    He (Trump) himself represents just another form of chaos

    You fail to see how weak his position is. They could give him a heart-attack tomorrow. Nothing would be found in his blood.

    His tactic has been to give the Zionists what they want all down the line – except a war with Iran. It has been successful. He uses blather and fake threats all the time. He appears to change his mind hourly. It is all deliberate.

    To weaken NATO, he insults all the other members and asks for more spending on US hardware.

    The Israelis are mad at Trump for letting go of the Kurds. That was a sneaky way to get back at the Israelis. He can rightfully claim that he had to keep Turkey in NATO. Of course, keeping Turkey in NATO is a guaranteed way of breaking up NATO.

    He is using “chaos” in a constructive way. No other way to do it.

    • Disagree: Desert Fox
  83. Alfred says:
    @utu

    Fears about Napoleon and Hitler are irrational

    Russians have absolutely nothing to fear from low-flying nuclear missiles stationed a few minutes away from Moscow and Saint Petersburg. 🙂

    Put a few similar missiles in Delaware and guess what sort of hysteria that would generate. And the USA have never been invaded.

    The bottom line is that Russia w/o Ukraine and hopefully w/o Belarus is better for Europe

    As soon as the Jews currently controlling everything in Ukraine take their loot and run back to New York, Ukraine will be a partner of Russia. The EU and the Euro will not be around for much longer. Even Germany is going to break into north and south.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  84. Robjil says:
    @utu

    ZUS has Ukraine in its mouth and it has Europe too.

    What is so good about a ZUS full world?

    It is good that Belarus is still independent of ZUS.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  85. Dan Hayes says:
    @Bill Jones

    Yes, the line at the beginning (“Summary of Broadcast Produced by Yvonne Lorenzo”) is new. Also new is the Larry King interview of Steve Cohen appearing at the article’s end!

    BTW, we don’t need a “correction of the correction”. No need to look gift horses in their mouths!

  86. @Anonymous

    The point is, this upending of society was accomplished by legislating from the bench, while the Republicans and Conservatism Inc, as we now learn, were funded to neutralize opposition, blowing smoke in Americans’ eyes about legalisms at a time when at least 90% of this country was conservative.

    I’ve suspected this since the early 90’s. Is documentation of the funding found in Cavanaugh’s book or are there other sources you can point to? Thanks much.

  87. Nothing should distract from the grave state of world affairs. This is not a new Cold War, but the demise of the old one; just like the Concert of Europe finally died in 1914. We are blindly blundering towards nuclear Armageddon.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
  88. @JackOH

    Something’s seriously wrong when universal literacy, mandatory schooling, academic freedom, and the First Amendment (in the States) offer little or no safeguard against completely mischievous debates founded on ignorance.

    In this age of alleged “rights” the dirty little secret is that we hairless apes have no right to be told the truth by authority figures–none.

    Without truth there cannot be virtue, without virtue there cannot be civilization.

    Conclusion: we have no “right” to civilization at all.

    We have to earn it–one person at a time–and no large institution or ideology is going to be our friend.

    • Replies: @JackOH
  89. @SeekerofthePresence

    Agree and recommend the book The Secret Team, the CIA and its Allies in Control of the World, by Col. L. Fletcher Prouty, can be had on amazon.

  90. Miro23 says:
    @mark green

    Incredibly, American life has, in this regard, been turned on its head. Only designated ‘minorities’ get to erect walls (or crash them) while others get to maintain their exclusive ethnic enclaves and ethno-states. But for America’s founding stock, the natural expression of racial kinship and continuity is forbidden and deplored. This is unfair.

    “This is unfair” – There’s maybe a clue to the problem right there. Euro-Americans have this expectation of fair play, decency, level playing fields, openness, people of goodwill, honest government etc. and when they perceive unfairness they appeal to authority. They’re also religiously/culturally inclined to be caring, inclusive (and guilt ridden).

    Their opponents in the US have never subscribed to any of this. They’re only out to win and will use any unethical underhand means available.

    Conclusion that Euro-Americans are, in reality, only going to get some traction by moving into the same zone as their opponents, through deception, hard heartedness and their own direct action – if they’re capable of it.

  91. Alfred says:
    @AnonFromTN

    It is a complex story. Martin Armstrong has a good understanding of much of it. He was invited to loot Russia if he put up $10bn. He refused. Here is part of his explanation:

    Magnitsky Affair & the Murder of Edmond Safra in Monaco

    Yeltsin was undoubtedly blackmailed. He stole $7bn that the IMF had loaned Russia. Putin saved him and promised not to pursue Yeltsin and his daughter.

    What is currently going on in Ukraine is similar in some ways. IMF loans are diverted to American politicians and Jewish Ukrainian oligarchs. The problem is that they are now fighting over how to split the loot. That is what the Trump / Zelensky brouhaha is really all about.

    The interesting thing is that if another set of politicians take over in Kiev, or if Ukraine breaks apart, they can repudiate the IMF loans. They now have proof that the IMF was indirectly giving the money to American politicians and Ukrainian oligarchs. You cannot claim a debt if you participated in stealing the money from the borrower. That is how Russia got back control of Yukos from the murderer and thief Khodorkovsky. He had acted dishonestly and all the deals he made were invalidated.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Skeptikal
  92. anonymous[985] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vaterland

    Very good summary. It’s clear that there’s been a switching of roles over the years. Since ’45 the US has gotten increasingly bolder and has ratcheted up it’s aggression with a sense of impunity. Even as it talks about human rights the US has caused millions to die, become miserable impoverished refugees or otherwise immiserate entire countries. Now there’s people looking to the Russians to stand up to the US and put a stop to it’s rampage as in Syria. The US brought in the worst of the worst jihadi types in a bid to collapse Syria. The kind of bloodbath that would have ensued had the US proxies gotten the upper hand would likely have been horrifying. This sort of policy can’t just be described in a dispassionate way as merely being ‘neo-con’ but is downright evil. For Germany and Russia to be trading partners is rather obviously a logical situation. A certain amount of trust and confidence is required and the US is working to prevent that even if it means -guess what?- getting a bunch of people killed in places like Ukraine. It doesn’t want to be dislodged from it’s position so who knows how radical it will get in pursuit of this. Eventually though, the US is not a European country, geographically or culturally, and will have to take it’s rap music and withdraw.

    • Replies: @Vaterland
  93. Miro23 says:

    Thanks for the excellent link. I’d wondered about how exactly Putin came on the scene, and why he is so hated by the Jewish NWO . Apart from imprisoning Khodorkovsky he also shut out Berezhovsky.

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/magnitsky-affair-the-murder-of-edmond-safra-in-monaco/

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @AnonFromTN
  94. JackOH says:
    @Justvisiting

    “Without truth there cannot be virtue, without virtue there cannot be civilization.”

    Justvisiting, yep, probably truer than we can yet imagine.

    Example: one man cuts another man with a knife. Did something good happen or did something bad happen?

    If it’s an assailant stabbing an innocent? Non-virtue, bad, a crime.

    If it’s a chef accidentally cutting a helper? Non-virtue, probably a civil wrong (IANAL), but likely covered by workers’ comp without finding of fault.

    If it’s a surgeon using a scalpel to remove a tumor? Virtue.

    Unfortunately, in our “post-fact/post-truth” America I think it’s readily imaginable that a lobby could emerge that was dedicated to the elimination of metal-grinding to create sharp edges. Damn nuance, just seize political ground. I think the UK actually has some sort of lobby dedicated to curbing blade lengths and the demonizing of knife owners.

    We seem to be led by whole rafts of political and economic pirates who are quite happy with tossing the West out the window to get themselves in the catbird seat. Disgusting.

  95. Alfred says:
    @Miro23

    Apart from imprisoning Khodorkovsky he also shut out Berezhovsky

    Everyone knows that Boris Berezovsky was murdered in Windsor. His Mossad bodyguards abandoned him. His sole remaining bodyguard went to town to buy milk. 🙂

    Boris Berezovsky inquest returns open verdict on death

    The question is who killed him?

    The fact that the whole thing was downplayed – and not blown up like the Skripals fairytale – suggests that the British did it. The reason why they did it on behalf of Russia is believed to be that the Russians had old photos of Prince Philip dressed as a girl. They gave the photos to the British in return for the British getting rid of Berezovsky.

    Intelligence services are constantly in touch with one another and exchanging”favours”. There is a market in this sort of thing. They don’t just swap spies. The British had no further use for Berezovsky.

  96. @SeekerofthePresence

    “They lead directly to Deep State’s seizing dictatorial control of the country–“for the good of the people.”

    Presidential advisers long ago moved past advising Presidents. They have been following foreign policy agendas created by DC think tanks in tow to Israel, Saudi Arabia, the MIC and oil companies, with implementation by the CIA and Pentagon. While the average American thinks this is a colossal failure, as in the 18 year Afghanistan war, the people in charge see such war as success, making sure that the $trillions keeps flowing to the right people.
    The Ukrainian testimony at the Impeachment hearing about “consensus” and “community” foreign policy showed that the Deep State (the Establishment) already controls foreign policies and the monies thereof, and that no new administration can make any changes, for better or worse, regardless of what is constitutional or needed for America.

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  97. Bill says:
    @journey80

    Sure, but it goes the other way as well. The pro-war, pro-Capital, pro-Israel freakshow which is the GOP is not remotely on the right.

  98. nickels says:

    Republicans are full in in the impeachment.
    Its basically just a pincer movement to make sure Trump doesn’t do anything except what he learned in new york-polishing jew weiner.
    Trump now has to kiss neocon arse and to the trash with the will of the American people.
    Republicans-democrats-no difference. Both jewish sodomite satan worshippers.
    Before you get all fired up for civil war, ask yourself this: which jew weiner sucking sodomite satan worshipper faction am I going to join?

  99. @Michael888

    True. Many were shocked at the sharp neocon bias to the Ukraine testimonies, and how the Donald’s variance from those appeared to the crony “witnesses” to be impeachable.

  100. @Alfred

    Sounds plausible. One additional vignette, though: IMF is and always was the tool of stealing money by the big thieves, American and compradores in other countries.

    As to current “impeachment” circus, I think what underlies it is that Trump and his gang got no loot from Ukraine, whereas the “Dems” gang and Ukrainian compardores swallowed everything and want more. Only that explains the general “logic” of this impeachment: Biden and many high-ranking Dems are deeply corrupt, so let’s impeach Trump for investigating their corruption.

    • Agree: Ilyana_Rozumova
  101. @Miro23

    He did push Berezovsky, Gusinsky, and a few other mega-thieves from the trough. However, he does not seem to be vindictive: he never bothered Gusinsky, who fled to Israel with his loot and shut up, and he left it to MI6 to “suicide” Berezovsky.

  102. Skeptikal says:
    @Alfred

    An American Oligarch‘s Dirty Tale of Corruption

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/52773.htm

    On George Soros’s activities in Ukraine.

    Posted also further down the thread, but it is germane also to this post.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  103. Biff says:
    @mark green

    It seems that the semi-whitish Jews are the only group that can gather together(300 head) and march in solidarity with one another, and also get a police escort.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/12/29/monsey-stabbing-new-yorkers-solidarity-hanukkah-attack/2771116001/

    Unlike other whitish looking people thrown to the merci of Antifa while the police look on and do nothing(or at times jail proud boys for defending themselves).

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/us/who-were-the-counterprotesters-in-charlottesville.html

    What other groups can gather and march these days with police protection?

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  104. @Johnny Walker Read

    Hang on.

    A race war can’t divide a people unless they’re already divided by race. In Hitler’s Germany, they were pretty much all the same race, so racial agitation would unify rather than divide Germans. This wouldn’t be true in a multi-racial empire like Austria-Hungary, Tsarist Russia, or the United States.

    Whereas class agitation will always divide, because there will always be classes based solely on the different abilities people possess. It seems like these two ways of distinguishing people would have an opposite effect, at least in any suitably homogenous nation.

  105. Eagle Eye says:
    @WorkingClass

    Still, it is the ideological left that denies the existence of objective reality. For them there are no facts. Only subjective experience.

    We seem to agree on this point.

  106. Vaterland says:
    @refl

    If the US domination of Germany today was as high as in the 50s to 80s, Germany would not have been able to say no to the Iraq War and North Stream 2 would not exist. Looking at our import/export data, China is currently so far ahead of the USA and the EU market so all dominating, Germany could resist US sanctions even easier than Iran can. Merkel and her cronies are the last generation of US puppets, after that it’s sealed. When even the weakest politician in all of Germany, Heiko Maas, can boldly say no to threats of the USA and Richard Grenells Ziocon rants can be ignored as such, there is not much left of the vision of the past you hold on to.

    I also have relatives on both sides of the wall, and US indoctrination was much worse than communist indoctrination. Bolshevism breaks your bones, the USA breaks your mind. The red army was also less cynical about it when they took brutal revenge. But I am also not a Duginist or Eurasianist. I am just seeing what’s coming and it’s largely the fault of the unspeakable arrogance and selfishness of US elites. Europe will be independent through a EU empire – laugh about it all you want, as you guys laughed long enough about China – or Germany will fall into the hands of China like a ripe apple and it will be celebrated as liberation. Thanks to severe strategic mistakes of the USA.

    • Replies: @refl
    , @follyofwar
  107. Vaterland says:
    @utu

    Maybe. But some Russians might say that fears of Bolshevism and the lasting identification of Russia with the Soviet Union was “russophobic fear mongering” which are used by NATO to justify eastward expansion. I certainly know how it feels to be eternally identified with a certain regime and this being used to justify exploitation. There’s systemic disinformation both from the state department and the Kremlin and Europe has to watch not to get crushed between the USA and China/Russia.

    I don’t really trust the Russian government or Putin, but I certainly don’t trust US elites either. Russia also didn’t surround Europe with scorched earth and constant wars of aggression for its greatest allies. Ukraine was a situation of ugly actions and consequently brutal reactions. But if you’ve read your Zbigniew Brzezinski you know that Russia couldn’t tolerate a EU/NATO Ukraine.

    Personally I am simply interested in European safety and independence. Like most Europeans I see the best way towards this path in a united and strong EU. With Albion out of the picture for good and the US Empire in decline, I don’t see anymore obstacles; except our own weaknesses.

  108. Vaterland says:
    @anonymous

    Eventually though, the US is not a European country, geographically or culturally, and will have to take it’s rap music and withdraw.

    This is also my sentiment. Unfortunately. And it’s become increasingly so over the last decades. Men like Patton or George C. Marshall are long dead, where the relation to Europe was at least ambiguous. And it was Dwight Eisenhower who created the Rhine-Meadow Death Camps to prove how much of not German he was. Russia, at least for the most part, is still a European country and knows what it means to have over millennium of history.

    No need to be naive towards Russia either though. Europe will either learn to join the power play of the USA, China and Russia, or continue a path of serfdom. We’ll see; it can go either way.

  109. @AnonFromTN

    There is no AgreeLol combinaton button so I do have add Lol separately.

  110. @Biff

    Proud boys is sooooooooooo snobishly gayish. Definitely it is not patriotic.

  111. @Z-man

    Kathleen Parker is a center-right columnist for The Washington Post.

    That’s from Wiki. Parker is another one that likes to ride the fences and stay on the cocktail party trail. Center-Right. Sure.

  112. @Vaterland

    a united and strong EU

    In fifty years your grandchildren will be bowing to Mecca–but strong and united!

    • Replies: @Vaterland
  113. @mark green

    1913: Capture of American Finance
    The Federal Reserve (Private Banker’s) usurp the Constitution and take over the power to issue money.
    The IRS is create as the enforcement arm.

    Within 3 years, Americans are at War and, immediately, accumulate a National Debt.

    1929: Capture of American Assets
    By bankrupting stock values, the Oligarchs (Jews and Jew proteges) buy back in at pennies on the dollar (aka, now also the Argentinian dance).
    They now own nearly everything of value.

    The power of America is used to decimate the European Heartland as Germany is pincered between Capitalist America and Communist Russia. Yet, underlying financial analysis shows both entities to be Rothschild controlled.
    1945 – Present
    Non stop Destruction.
    Status Quo post-911: a debt level has been built up that will allow whoever can enforce that debt to crash the system and take absolute power (particularly since 2008). Submit or starve.
    75 Trillion in Derivative Debt is out there.
    What is our Move?
    We repudiate the Debt.
    We argue that the power of Congress was usurped, that the Debt was coercive, we refuse to pay it even at gunpoint and we issue our own Sovereign money: debt free and interest free.
    This is the only way we can break this monopoly. Nearly every Central Bank is part of the Rothschild Golem. We have to break it into a million pieces and burn it down OR we will be enslaved forever. I think it IS actually that simple.
    [Yes, I am well aware Rothschilds and the other families are Satanists/Luciferians and often ‘hide’ behind Jews. They have completely and utterly distorted the Jewish religion (actually ceased to exist in 70 a.d. and was revived as Talmudism over the next few centuries.) Nevertheless, Jews need to expel the inherent supremacy in the Talmud and be part of humanity. Don’t believe it then try reading the Talmud. It is the most supremacist document I’ve ever read.]

    • Replies: @artichoke
  114. It really is concerning how sedulously the Ministry of Truth persists in such outlandishly factitious narratives. It seems clear they really aren’t concerned about people learning the truth, apparently only a negligible fraction in their estimation; and, are rather supremely confident in their ability to manufacture assent. Cohen’s “fact-free” thesis points to exactly this. Power has subsumed Truth.

  115. @Skeptikal

    Is there a country on this planet where George Soros did something and it was not despicable? I am not aware of a single example of George Soros doing something good. Are you?

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  116. Dan Hayes says:
    @AnonFromTN

    No Soros good deed unless you consider his inventorying for Nazis the property of rounded-up Hungarian Jews.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  117. @Dan Hayes

    Yep, he was a traitor even to his tribe. His only loyalty always was and still is to his money. That’s one example showing that blaming Jews for everything is stupid. Money bags are the root cause of everything bad happening in the world, regardless of their tribal origins. WASP, German, Russian, or Tatar mega-thieves are just as bad as Jewish ones.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  118. @anonymous

    “Putin is a Svengali who mind-controls Trump? ”

    The media has turned Putin into Rasputin.

    • Agree: artichoke
  119. Eagle Eye says:
    @AnonFromTN

    As to current “impeachment” circus, I think what underlies it is that Trump and his gang got no loot from Ukraine, whereas the “Dems” gang and Ukrainian compardores swallowed everything and want more. Only that explains the general “logic” of this impeachment: Biden and many high-ranking Dems are deeply corrupt, so let’s impeach Trump for investigating their corruption.

    That sounds like the most logical explanation for the bizarre “Russiagate” circus and the weirdly fragmentary and ad hoc Ukraine narrative.

    The Bidens have admitted that they are deeply corrupt, including taking bribes from Ukraine’s Burisma.

    Also why is nobody talking about Joe Biden’s investment companies Bohai Harvest RST and its affiliate Rosemont Seneca, both with coke-snorting Hunter Biden as figurehead? Who is the real driver behind these massive investments? Soros? Diane Feinstein (whose husband is a big investor in China)?

    • Agree: AnonFromTN
  120. artichoke says:
    @WorkingClass

    Did you hear the young woman from Russia who asked a question near the end? She moaned over and over “do we Russians have any hope? Is there any future for us?” It sounded like Posner agreed that this was a common feeling within Russia. Doesn’t sound like they think they are winning.

    The place is too cold, and now China is a serious competitor to them right next door, to their south with a warmer climate. I understand that Russia is reproducing at well below replacement level, same as the rest of Europe.

  121. artichoke says:
    @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    Maybe Hitler wasn’t a good idea after all. Germany should have realized that sooner. There were tensions before that, Jews announced a trade embargo against Germany. Probably backed by British, who had been trying to suppress Germany’s industrial rise since Edward VII laid the groundwork for WW1. But the British also provided the answer: send the Jews to British-controlled Israel. If Germany had done that, preferably without stealing assets on the way out, it would have been fine. (Now we’ve smudged up the meaning of the word “genocide” to obscure the difference: moving people is different from killing them.) The Holocaust was unacceptable, and an acceptable response is to end Germany.

    The Talmud says the Jews are special, referring to the Bible saying the same thing. The Talmud does not say Jews should oppress anyone or conquer outside their promised land.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  122. @artichoke

    (1) But the British also provided the answer: send the Jews to British-controlled Israel. (2) If Germany had done that, preferably without stealing assets on the way out, it would have been fine.

    An ill-informed (that is, nonsensical) comment.

    (1) Lord Balfour, successfully seduced by Chaim Weizmann to “send the Jews to British-controlled PALESTINE” (it was not “Israel” until 30 years later, after Jewish terrorists had ejected the British), had buyer’s remorse very early on: in 1917 and again in 1923 he wrote to a counterpart in USA that “the Americans were better situated to sponsor the Jews.” Britain — and USA — were quite antisemitic in that era; one of the reasons the British agreed to the Balfour plan was to keep Jews out of Britain.
    Chaim Weizmann defined three categories of antisemitism that he could play upon to achieve the results he desired. Balfour was considered a “secret antisemite,” which Weizmann considered ideal: he could use guilt and the passive-aggressive threat of revealing this sin, to induce Balfour to make the concessions Weizmann desired. (see The Balfour Agreement, by Leonard Stein, Weizmann’s companion and assistant in his British activities.)

    (2) In fact, Germany had made a far greater investment in sponsorship of Jewish settlement in Palestine, far earlier and more productively than the British. Herzl had approached the Kaiser and pleaded with him to sponsor “an exodus” of the Jewish people. Wilhelm declined, but significant German investment in materials, expertise, consultancies and manpower took place in the first years of the 20th century.
    In 1907, when (German born and educated) Arthur Ruppin was sent by the Vienna Zionist organization to assess the condition of Jews in Palestine, https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/quot-the-picture-in-1907-quot-arthur-ruppin he reported (among other things) that Jews were profligate with their tools and machinery because they did not have to earn them but were freely provided by Rothschild, whereas those working under German mentorship had to work for the equipment they required or desired, so took better care of the goods.

    In the crucial period when Weizmann was point man negotiating for a Jewish homeland, he played German offers against British offers: Balfour caved first, on a government sponsorship level, but the Germans had already put a cultural stamp on the Jewish project: Arthur Ruppin, the “Producer of Hebrew Culture in Palestine,” consciously set out to replicate German cultural and institutional standards and practices — to create “Berlin on the Mediterranean” where Europeanized Jews would be comfortable living. (see Arthur Ruppin and the Production of Hebrew Culture in Germany, (diss), by Etan Bloom, TelAviv U.)

  123. refl says:
    @Vaterland

    Germany would not have been able to say no to the Iraq War and North Stream 2 would not exist.

    I see Germany and France resisting the war on Irak as one prime cause for the current Angloamerican hybrid war on both of them. After Chirac France was never again allowed to have an indepent-minded president, and none lasted more then five years (formerly 14!). The yellow vests are the most formidable resistent movement in a western country today, but just the same they are a replay of the CIA war on De Gaulle via the student movement of the sixties. You see, both France and Germany were crushed in the world wars, but France could only be destroyed by proxy. So the masters have to work a little more indirectly.

    North Stream 2 is a fake issue. Germany has been buying russian gas for 50 years. Pipeline building was a prime mover in ending the original cold war. I have been watching the construction on the German side first hand and there never was a standstill. The current quarrel is about raising the price in the economical poker game and earn access for crazily expensive american liquified gas, which without political pressure would be no option for anyone.

    As for Germany being more indepent now then in the 50s…
    The thing called NSU most definitely was a CIA/MI6/Mossad (chose your favorite) intelligence action. Few people will know the real authors, but it were certainly not a group of three underground Neonazi desperados who just so went on a sporadic killing spree over a decade. It was the preparation for the refugee assault a few years later.
    Look it up at arbeitskreis nsu or the like.
    The German secret services are just the dump clowns allowed to cackhandle a few things on stage to give the big guys time to prepare for the real action.
    I could go on on this, but there would be no end.

    Merkel and her cronies are the last generation of US puppets, after that it’s sealed.

    Agreed, but after that lot I am only able to see drawn knives and a medieval style interregnum.

    Heiko Maas

    I think I would forgive the Russians anything that I might ever have had to reproach them, if they just came and took that POS to Siberia and give him an individual course at tree felling.

  124. @Vaterland

    “Bolshevism breaks your bones, the USA breaks your mind.”

    Man, that is one great line!

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  125. @follyofwar

    Iron Ivan…

    What is more dangerous, violence or seduction?

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  126. @SeekerofthePresence

    “I’m going to make you rich, Bud Fox…”

  127. @mark green

    The new rules are simple.
    All minorities get first access to Whites and their works.
    Whites will settle for what’s left,

  128. @Vaterland

    ” Like most Europeans I see the best way towards this path in a united and strong EU. ”

    Yet the sanest Europeans, The Swiss, disagree.

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  129. Vaterland says:
    @Justvisiting

    So absurd. The Ziocon propaganda sure did its toll on the US mind. I am still waiting on how 2.4 million Turks and at most 2 million Arabs would irreversibly change my nation of 80 million. Even if they quadrupled, we’d barely scratch current US demographics. Nevermind that a good portion of our Turks are still Kemalists. Also nevermind that the number of Russian muslims is at least thrice the number of ours or even Sweden’s.

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    , @Anon
  130. Vaterland says:
    @Bill Jones

    Wrong again. I hear this so often from the US. Switzerland is in the EU in everything but name. They have to sign practically all contracts, without having any say in them. Similar to Norway. The worse deal. Britain will get the same one. If they are lucky.

    In this Age of Empires there simply is no future for petty nationalisms in Europe, even for Switzerland. And why not? Contrary to US-Neocon propaganda the EU actually has many benefits and is not any more anti-democratic than all forms of representative democracy. Especially compared to the two-sided one-party oligarchy of the USA where Paul Singer and Sheldon Adelson can buy a president… And Soros also doesn’t have more influence in it than he does in the Democratic Party.

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  131. Miro23 says:
    @Vaterland

    Personally I am simply interested in European safety and independence. Like most Europeans I see the best way towards this path in a united and strong EU. With Albion out of the picture for good and the US Empire in decline, I don’t see anymore obstacles; except our own weaknesses.

    100% agree with this. The US has to manage its imperial decline in the same way that the British did with their British Empire.

    A changing world environment and loss of power forced the change on the British, in the same way that it is forcing it on the Americans – although the British handled their decline with more acceptance and respect for their Imperial subjects.

    A major difference has to be that declining Imperial Britain was run by ethnic British while declining Imperial USA is run by international Jewry – who are, as usual, leveraging every shred of remaining power for their own benefit (e.g. mortgaging the place to the hilt plus non-stop use of the US military in Middle East wars).

    Europe (minus the US and the UK) needs a new rebasing, probably something along the lines of the Swiss Confederation, with powerful and active local Democracies making a harmonic whole, with, for example, compulsory Swiss style European military service outside your region/country of origin ( German units in Italy or Danish units in Poland) to build understanding at a European level.

    A European Confederation rather then a European Union.

  132. Anon[694] • Disclaimer says:

    No person with the least but of historical knowledge would take this phony US-Russia Cold War Jewish-intelligence service (ie: CIA) bullshit seriously.

    If the West had any actual antagonism toward Russia, it would have retaken “Kalingrad” decades ago instead of allowing independent “Russian territory” to exist deep within NATO:

    complete with a Russian population that ethnically cleansed the prior inhabitants within the last generation!

    Jewish-communist Russia and the Jewish-West performed as a pincer operation against the Germans.

    When they were victorious, they set up concentration camps where Jewish wardens murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians and ex-military after the war.

    When sadistic torturer and mass murderer Jew Simon Morel was to be prosecuted for War Crimes and Genocide by Poland, he fled to mafia-hideout Israel who refused to extradite. Per Hitler’s prediction of how the Jews would utilize Israel.

    Instead of castigating Israel for shielding genocidal war criminals, the US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo deployed himself as Israel’s collection agent against Poland.

    The Jewish Soviets performed the large scale population transfers of Germans that the Germans wish they could have and should have against the Jews.

    With the open blessing of our bought and sold Western leaders, in the post War period millions of German civilians were used in slave labor and sometimes transferred large distances into Soviet territory never to be seen from again. In groups sometimes comprised of up to 90% women, which outs this action as utilizing large scale transfers of women for the purpose of rape, murder, and possibly an influx of better German genetics for Slavic and possibly Jewish men.

    These same Western leaders, under false pretense of fighting “evil”, populated their armies with the immediate relatives of these same Germans.

    The allies and the soviets, together, used German slave labor to de-mine areas.

    Civilian slave labor of Europeans.
    Female-only civilian transfers into Soviet territory.
    In the 1940’s.
    Sanctioned by the United States and Britain.

    These people are not against civilian slavery.
    These people are not against genocide.
    These people are not against “human rights violations”.

    These people only have enemies, against which they are willing to do and say anything.

    These people have a long track record of working with, not against Russia.

    These people hate you.
    They hate the German immigrants that they call their citizens and that comprise most of the people from Pennsylvania through the Dakotas: performing most of the farming in this nation.

    They don’t hate Russia.

    The US and Israel are de facto the same entity at the government level, and Israel builds grand monuments to the genocidal Soviet Red Army. In the United States, Jews build lower key monuments to the Red Army (see Los Angeles). Israel is deeply cooperative with the Chinese military. Russia and the USA are not antagonistic with one another. Kalingrad exists unmolested. This is another pincer move, this time against the wider Western population for the benefit of the Slavic communists and their Jewish and probably their Asian allies. Their track record in history clearly states as much.

  133. Anon[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vaterland

    In this Age of Empires there simply is no future for petty nationalisms in Europe, even for Switzerland. And why not? Contrary to US-Neocon propaganda the EU actually has many benefits and is not any more anti-democratic than all forms of representative democracy. Especially compared to the two-sided one-party oligarchy of the USA where Paul Singer and Sheldon Adelson can buy a president… And Soros also doesn’t have more influence in it than he does in the Democratic Party.

    This is such generalized, inacurate drivel that its not even worth responding to. Its so fundemantaly wrong throughout that its difficult to respond to without taking a lot of time (ie: more time then its worth) to undermine it at its basic foundations, working up. Ie: correcting statements like the Neocons are anti-imperialist and anti EU. For fuck’s sake.

    Actually know your politics and know their patterns of political behavior and support (and even source their self-defining quotes) and the know how to identify the reflexive lying that always seeks to cover their actual agendas as fundamental deceivers.

    The entire premise of the “Neocon” is deception. There is no such thing as a “Neocon”, in reality. Everyone knows this. The “Neocon” is an socially agreed upon massive case of widespread and intentional self-deception so that Jews can shill and lie for themselves without being called Jews, and so that gentiles can criticize them without being called antisemites ( the Jews generally don’t like and do complain about that part). These are Jews out to deceive gentiles, in their lie that they are so called “conservatives” within the gentile political milieu, and variously openly and covertly (with their lying statements) shill for Jewish interests.

    Thats one basic rebuttal required by your stupid paragraph. The next might address your lying insinuation that the EU leadership isn’t widely corrupted by Jewish power and influence.

    The one after that would address how your proposal of eliminating nations won’t / can’t convey the greater self-determination that is the primary issue, and can only lead to more control by the Singers and Adelsons of the World.

    Your premises are all rejected, at least until all Jews and Muslims are repatriated to their home nations. Even then, given Soviet action, there would need to be a strict line between Slavic and non-Slavic territories. As well as cordoning off Spain and Portugal. To start.

    And before all of that occurs, we will have a discussion about the supposed wisdom of your proposal to eliminate “petty nations”.

    I do note / have observed that the word “petty” used in the description of power is one that is often favored by low level mentally ill communists, in the present day. So, we’ll need to see you in person at the time of these discussions, as well.

  134. Anon[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vaterland

    So absurd. The Ziocon propaganda sure did its toll on the US mind. I am still waiting on how 2.4 million Turks and at most 2 million Arabs would irreversibly change my nation of 80 million. Even if they quadrupled, we’d barely scratch current US demographics. Nevermind that a good portion of our Turks are still Kemalists. Also nevermind that the number of Russian muslims is at least thrice the number of ours or even Sweden’s.

    Russia is an unarguably shitty nation in its modern “post Soviet” form. It is a genetic, civic, and all around social basketcase of a nation. Citing them doesn’t help your argument, it hurts it. Its also extremely vast, whereas your nation is the size of a couple of medium sized US States.

    Arabs and Turks have no right to be on the European continent, not even as far as Anatolia / Turkey, and present an extreme social, cultural, and genetic danger. ie: Spain used to be Germanic and it wasn’t destroyed to the level that the rest of Europe will be. As far as true, non-compromised Europeans are rightly concerned, one drop of shit ruins the whole wine barrel.

    And stop with the Jewish propaganda BS. There are no “Ziocons” apart from broader Jewish nationalism, ie: Judaism. The Jews are no more anti-immigrant than they were in WWII. Their “Ziocon” actions in Europe, via the World Jewish Congress and its subsidiaries, makes that exceedingly clear (as does the entirety of the rest of their history and modern effective politics). Framing Jews somehow to be the ones against the invasion, while normative White people are for it (and especially absent decades of legally forced belief in it by Jewish Power), outs you as someone worthy of a trial; not of a discussion. And that’s before we would even get to whether your support for invaders would be worthy of other charges.

  135. Anon[172] • Disclaimer says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    politico.com : “The happy-go-lucky Jewish group [Chabad-Lubavitch] that connects Trump and Putin”:

    “Their respective ambitions led the two men[Trump and Putin] – along with Trump’s future son-in-law, Jared Kushner -to build a set of close, over-lapping relationships in a small world that overlaps on Chabad , an international Hasidic movement most people have never heard of .”

    You’ve got to be kidding with this.

    Unless you are trying to deceive, I suggest you stop trying to find excuses for Judaism.

    Isolating Jewish power and “connections” to one Jewish group is highly deceptive and serves to inoculate the vast network of non-Chabad Jews that represents most of the connection that you are isolating to Chabad. Isolating it to Chabad is effectively making an excuse for Judaism as a whole, and on top of that its highly inaccurate. It can only serve to make anyone less effective in conceptualizing and thus dealing with Jews.

    Chabad is in deep with the entirety of the US and international power structure, past and present. But so is the rest of Jewish Power. There is no isolating their connection to Trump and Putin.

    Start dealing with reality as it is instead trying to find “the bad, powerful Jews” who will render the rest innocent.

  136. Anon[356] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vaterland

    So absurd. The Ziocon propaganda sure did its toll on the US mind. I am still waiting on how 2.4 million Turks and at most 2 million Arabs would irreversibly change my nation of 80 million.

    Turkey and Persia used to be inhabited by Europeans, not Turks and Turk-Arabs. Today, people that would be categorized as European by anyone rational do not exist in either place. Thanks to Turkish and Arab invasions.

    Now you have to wait no longer, and can abandon your “absurd” notion of how maintaining one’s existence works in the face of the Biblical locusts that arise from the pit and turn the land Black.

    At some point, some faction of European will decide that speaking to you is not a rational act toward survival.

    At that point you will need to kill them to save the Arab and Turk who will, as sure as the day is long, eventually replace you completely.

    That replacement process seems to be helped along greatly by Turkish-Arab-Jewish Islam, whereas in de-facto-secular highly mixed nations (ie: Brazil) you may have been able to continue to exist as a member of a separate group at some level of the hierarchy.

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