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Shot. [DCS re-evaluating home pass policy after 16-year-old accused of gas station shooting, Tennessean.com, March 23, 2019]:

The Department of Children’s Services is re-evaluating its policies after police said a 16-year-old with a violent history was released from custody on a weekend home pass, never returned and then shot a man at a gas station.

Home passes are designed to give juvenile offenders in custody time to ease into outside life, with therapy and support from experts, an agency spokeswoman said. But the shooting earlier this month highlights potential risks in the system.

Police said 16-year-old David Earl Mays was trying to carjack a driver filling his tank at a gas station when he opened fire, hitting the victim in the torso. The victim was rushed to the hospital and needed multiple surgeries.

Mays was released on a weekend pass despite the fact that he had a history of arrests linked with gun crimes and displayed violent behavior in the weeks before he was temporarily released from DCS custody.

Police said Mays was “no stranger” to the department, pointing out that he was arrested in July and charged with robbing two men at gunpoint and stealing their cars and belongings.

After Mays was charged in the shooting, Nashville prosecutors said they wanted to try him as an adult. The Tennessean is naming him because of the severity of the allegations.

DCS doesn’t track global statistics on what happens to juveniles released on weekend passes. Those records are kept only in individual juveniles’ files, meaning officials don’t know how many juveniles abscond or re-offend while out on a home pass.

Mays was remanded to DCS custody after pleading guilty to multiple charges, including handgun possession, aggravated robbery and theft of $2,500 or more, on July 31, according to documents obtained by The Tennessean.

While in DCS custody, he continued to exhibit violent behavior, according to the documents.

Mays was identified as the aggressor in a physical assault Dec. 15 at the Academy for Young Men on Stewarts Ferry Pike, according to a Jan. 2 DCS memo.

On Dec. 21, he was transferred to the Gateway Academy for Young Men on Stewarts Lane “due to disruptive behavior and involvement in several serious incidents,” according to the memo.

Yet, weeks later, DCS allowed Mays to leave on a weekend home pass.

According to DCS policy, “off campus visits and passes may be denied only if the youth” has committed “major violations” — like arson, carrying a dangerous weapon or crimes against a person — in the last 30 days.

Nashville police spokesman Don Aaron said the department isn’t currently told when juveniles are released from DCS custody. Mays’ grandfather reported him missing to police after he didn’t return to custody on Feb. 3.

“Perhaps DCS should consider informing local law enforcement when a juvenile who has committed a violent crime or a major crime like home burglary is being given a weekend pass,” Aaron said.

Weir confirmed that would be part of the review and that the agency “will be coordinating with local law enforcement to notify them when youth will be in the community on a home pass.”

A spokesman for TrueCore Behavioral, the private company contracted to operate the Nashville facility where Mays had last stayed, said Mays was not its responsibility while on temporary home pass.

“While a youth is on home pass, he is in the custody of his parents and not under the supervision of the program,” spokesman Jack Eich said in an email. “Parents are required to sign a temporary custody agreement.”

 

Chaser. [Carjacking victim wants shooting suspect caught, but forgives him, NewsChannel5.com, March 18, 2019]:

Just days after he was shot during an attempted carjacking, the victim speaks out.

Brian Redden spoke with NewsChannel 5 about the crime and the suspect who is still on the run.

The bullet, fired at point blank, missed Redden’s vital organs by just inches. Now he’s at home and recovering after emergency surgery.

The 31-year-old said he’s getting on with his life.

“Something like this happens to you, there’s two things you can do — go into a hole and hide or you can be out and I chose not to live in fear,” said Redden.

Metro police say 16-year-old David Mays shot Redden during a carjacking attempt at the Exxon station near Nissan Stadium last Wednesday.

“People have asked or said ‘Why didn’t you give up the keys?'”

Redden said he initially did not see the gun and just reacted in the moment trying to close the car door. That’s when police say Mays fired a handgun at pointblank.

A single round entered Redden’s abdomen and then traveled through his body.

“Here. Here. Here. And the bullet ended up lodging in the leg,” said Redden pointing to various places on his body.

He’s grateful for the quick response. From folks at the Exxon to police to paramedics, all who saved his life.

“Those are our heroes. Those people.”

As for Mays, the suspect accused of shooting Redden?

“A lot of those around me are angry about what happened. I’m not,” said Redden.

He said he isn’t looking to place blame for what happened but he does want Mays caught.

“As far as him the person, I forgive him for what he did,” said Redden. But Redden believes Mays should have to pay the consequences for what police say happened.

Black career criminal (at the age of 16) attempts to murder a white guy, and the latter has no problem forgiving the former.

White masochism in action.

 
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  1. Mays was released on a weekend pass despite the fact that he had a history of arrests linked with gun crimes and displayed violent behavior in the weeks before he was temporarily released from DCS custody.

    Build more jails. Show no tolerance. For when you do, shit like like this happens. Dysfunctional institutions are just a sign of things to come. Enjoy the unraveling folks!

    “As far as him the person, I forgive him for what he did,” said Redden. But Redden believes Mays should have to pay the consequences for what police say happened.

    I don’t disagree with him. I really don’t. He wants him caught and prosecuted for his actions, rightfully so. Forgiveness is not for the other person, it’s for you.

    I can become disgruntled every time I deal with Blacks, or I can just accept that I am dealing with creatures that are barely human and have proclivities that I just can’t understand.

    • Replies: @Doright
    , @Raccoon
    , @ShermanFan
  2. Franz says:

    “As far as him the person, I forgive him for what he did,” said Redden. But Redden believes Mays should have to pay the consequences for what police say happened.

    Actually, Christian morality teaches this clearly: Forgive so you don’t let the anger eat you alive, but let the police do the job of bringing the felon back in so he can do no more harm. And I doubt the “forgiveness” in this case would object to allowing the juvenile to be tried as an adult.

    Greek stoics held to the same code. The point is that while the wheels of justice turn, you get on with healing at let your life continue.

    It would be masochism if he dropped the charges, which nothing he says implied.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  3. The perp is probably one of the 5% of blacks who carry the mutation for more MAO inhibitors, so he’s always jacked up and looking for something violent and stupid to do. The white guy probably has too little MAO inhibition.

    Maybe we could DNA test juvenile delinquents and require the ones with high MAO -I to get a time-release implant that inhibits the inhibitors. If a fertility reduction compound ended up in there by accident, hey, mistakes are made- such as this punk.

    • Replies: @Archie Bunker
  4. My first thought was the expense society occurs with these creatures, think of how nice it would be not to have them amongst us. The cradle to grave support, the risk to decent people make these beasts a total liability. As far as the forgiveness of white victims, I imagine it’s a tenet of Christianity . When a black is a victim, the lawsuits, matches, protests and riots follow. They are a criminal, failed species who don’t belong in a first world country, the last thing we need to do is to coddle, make excuses for, or forgive these Africans, they are not like us

  5. eah says:

    women women and beta males

  6. Trevor H. says:

    White Male Forgives Black Criminal

    But will the black criminal forgive the white victim? That’s the eternal question, which only our “cultural elite” can answer. Near as I can tell whites are guilty just by being alive, with of course the exception of “FWPs” who are our moral guiding lights.

  7. Trevor H. says:

    Home passes are designed to give juvenile offenders in custody time to ease into outside life, with therapy and support from experts

    Shot a white guy? Sounds like he’s transitioning back into society just fine! And ya gotta love that they don’t keep track of what these people do. Probably another Obama-era directive. It’s racist to pay any attention to black crime. Heck I’m probably breaking the law just talking about it. You may laugh but at the rate we’re going it won’t be long.

    • Agree: Augustus
    • Replies: @Raccoon
  8. @Lockean Proviso

    5 percent? You meant 50 didn’t you?

  9. RickTen99 says:

    Prison reduces the crime rate due to the fact that at least 10 + crimes are committed before a criminal is arrested, tried and convicted. Put them in jail and the crime rate will be reduced. The rumor that the death penalty does not reduce violent crime is false. It deters the dead criminal from ever committing a violent crime again. The slogan “Hot seat makes for a safe street” (electric chair) is true because the violent criminal is removed from the gene pool and will never commit a violent crime against the public. Put these scumbags in a 8×10 concrete box for decades and it will make a difference on society.

  10. It seems the fine, young man is readjusting nicely to civilian life.

    You know, I was raised Catholic so I’m familiar with the guilt and the knee-jerk reaction to forgive. But grammar school was a long time ago and I’ve properly isolated and categorized such things in balance with the real world.

    As was widely mentioned by others in this thread, forgiveness is a very personal thing and reflects not at all on the law or crime or punishment. No one is saying ‘let’s forget all about it’ or ‘I refuse to press charges’. All he’s saying is he’s done with the incident, happy to have survived it and not willing to give over any more of his life to this murder monkey. Now it is the job of the police to find, arrest (pray for resistance) and prosecute this tiny piece of shit and reincarcerate him for the rest of his hyper-violent life.

    Not that that will happen but it’s nice to dream.

  11. Doright says:
    @RoseTownship

    Blacks don’t want your White forgiveness. They want you dead. Why do you think the punk shot you?

  12. I’m nitpicking here, but I don’t think it’s reasonable to call a 16-year-old a “career criminal” – or a “career” anything, at that age.

  13. Think of the public service that will be performed when this aspiring rapper meets a legal CCW holder!

    • Agree: Augustus
  14. unit472 says:

    Releasing a 40 year old drug dealer for a weekend pass might make sense if he is nearing the end of his sentence and has had no discipline problems but a teenager with a history of violence and a negro to boot. This is insanity. What did they expect the lout to do? Sit with his grandfather and watch TV?

    Social workers and judges may imagine the negro underclass youth live in a civilized society but they don’t. They live in a open air criminal culture where everyone goes by a “street name” for the sole purpose of concealing their identity from the authorities. Where cars are something you borrow for a few hours, steal , hijack or have your baby mom rent for you to use. Even getting a driver’s license is risky because it means interacting with the government and identifies you. This is why police are so on edge when conducting traffic stops. Young negroes seldom are the sole occupant of the vehicle, will not pull over when ‘blue lighted’, attempt to get rid of contraband and then flee on foot when finally stopped. If the worst happens and they are shot by police the negro community blames police for not just letting the hoodrat get away. The negro lives in an alternate universe where deceit is the norm and violence is the solution to deceit being exposed.

    • Agree: Archie Bunker, AceDeuce
  15. I wonder if the man knew the background of Mays? Did he understand that Mays had a history of crime and violence? This juvenile negro should not have been let out of jail.

    I think many white people suffer from the Stockholm Syndrome due to years of brainwashing. They have been taught that negroes have suffered untold travesties at the hands of white supremacists. With this in mind, the victim excused the culprit, or at least demurred passing judgement on him.

    I would dare say if Mays killed one of this victim’s family, his reation would be to forgive him. I see this behavior in whites all the time. Yes, they are cucks!

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  16. Academy for Young Men…..Gateway Academy for Young Men ..“Off campus visits and passes. You have got to be kidding me. Society is so weak. These “young men” are violent savage animals. Why are they painted with the same 12″ wide brush as law abiding taxpayers? They are nothing like us. In Nashville they are young men..Its too complicated any more…I dont know what to call them … god forbid we insult the little bastards. I do know what they are; they are a failed species.. We are never gonna win this war with MSM and the SJW’s… The coddlers/handlers/politicians need to see the patterns and learn the stats. They should be put into conversion therapy camps until they get their heads out of their asses. It is out of control!!!!

  17. Did the african bushmaster ASK for forgiveness ? Did it ASK for forgiveness for all the other numerous crimes it perpetrated against humanity in the past ? I seriously doubt it. Still think it can be rehabilitated ? Nope. You are NOT dealing with anything that resembles a human as a civilized society knows it.

  18. Here you go fine Americans.. This is your SJW’s and Democratic government at work for you. WATCH IT!! This is what happens when you handcuff the police and the justice system. Better have a good strong drink in front of you. Its disgusting. Im done for the day.

  19. WEEKEND PRISON PASSES? The ghosts of Dukakis and Horton are smiling.

    The death penalty minimum age should be lowered to 13 since the (((Supreme Court))) ruled juvenile offenders can’t be given life in prison without parole.

  20. @Rex Little

    It’s got nothing to do with age.  It’s how long and how much he’s been at it, and he could easily have been an active criminal for half his life already.

  21. @Dr. Pepper

    This juvenile negro should not have been let out of jail.

    Agreed.  The people in charge committed gross negligence by allowing this feral teen out of 24/7 state custody.  They should all lose their jobs for this.

    The likelihood is that they will suffer NO consequences, not even letters of reprimand, because they themselves are affirmative-action hires.

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs
  22. OT:
    Quebec couple found dead in Florida launches double homicide investigation ..

    I never really cared for the French of Quebec..The British should have burned Quebec City immedialtely after the battle on The Plains of Abraham and drove them back to the Seine, Croissantville & duck confit. Regardless ..After googling Pompano Beach FLA… low and behold.. these liberal loving Snowbirds were vacationing right in the heart of Liberia; prime bushmaster hunting grounds.. A staggering 31.4% of the population of 106K people are primitives. Did they not notice the POC??…Of fucking course they did. They have been doing it for years. And I’m sure they had friends or they themselves had blue gummed friends and even invited them into thier homes. They unconsciously decided this was how they were going to to die long ago when they integrated with the enemy . Maybe they truly were just retarded French assholes who bought into the SJW PC ideals. They paid the ultimate price for their ignorance. They wont be coming home to show their pathetic pictures of themselves immersed in the vibrancy of Pompano Beach anymore. Annnnnd… they wont be voting for Trudeau ever again.
    I love how nature takes care of the weak.

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/quebec-couple-found-dead-in-florida-launches-double-homicide-investigation/ar-BBVaESe?li=AAggNb9&ocid=mailsignout

  23. Anon[123] • Disclaimer says:

    David Earl Mays!

    At the gas station!

    With a gun!

    Sounds like this situation could’ve been in a good round of “Clue”!

  24. Anon[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rex Little

    Rex Little…

    I think this kid could be named “Rex Everything”. Perhaps it’s suitable until he finishes the sentence for the current (but not first) crime he has committed.

  25. @Rex Little

    You’re joking, right? Did you even read the article. He’s already been convicted of several violent crimes. As someone else posted above, most of these feral savages get away with 90+ percent of their crimes. What, do you think that he has days where he DOESN’T commit crimes? He needs to be put away in a cage so he can’t roam freely to do this to someone else. Maybe YOU need to have something like this happen to a relative so you can wake the hell up to reality.

    • Agree: Archie Bunker
  26. This is typical Christian behavior. 2000 years of it has produced a culture that has made whites racial masochists.

    Above, also, lots of bad information about forgiveness. For example, one guy writes that the Greek Stoic philosophers had the same moral code as the Christians. Although there are superficial similarities, in essence the two philosophies were irrevocably opposed. The Stoics had no ideal of forgiveness because they had no concept of sin, and no conviction that such sins would be tallied and have to be atoned for after death. That was mythology introduced by Christianity. On the other hand, Stoics thought that wrongdoing was always the result of ignorance, and that the ignorance of another, once corrected, could be forgotten about. So obviously, these are two separate things. The opposition comes because the Stoics predicated all of their actions on Reason, whereas Christians forgive only because their God tells them to. Stoics obey nothing but their own Reason, while Christians call themselves the slaves of Christ, and see themselves as obligated to do whatever their God commands, no matter how absurd or contrary to human nature it seems.

    Then we have the idea put forward by others above that Christian forgiveness is something that the forgiver does for himself; something to help himself heal. That’s a New Age sort of Christian opinion for which I think it would be very hard to find Biblical support. It’s not found in the sayings of Jesus, and certainly not in his actions. He forgives several people in the gospel accounts, and it’s never said or even implied that he’s doing it to help himself out. More, Jesus explicitly tells his followers to love their enemies (e.g. Luke 6:27-36), and do good to those who hate them.

    A couple of commenters also voice the opinion that since the forgiveness is only given by the victim in order to help himself, it’s okay so long as he also wants the perpetrator punished. This too does not strike me as a Christian attitude. In fact, in the Bible, Jesus not only forgives the adulteress, but also prevents her from being punished in accordance with Mosaic law. It’s hard to avoid the implication: Christian forgiveness is supposed to be total, and the Christian, in imitation of Christ, should wish only good things upon those who have sinned against him. He should accept the sinner in love as his brother in Christ, and let God alone judge him.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Franz
  27. “Home passes” are a form of pre-trial diversion intended to give HUMANS (sometimes guilty of typical youthful indescretions) a chance to learn (the operant word being “learn”) from their mistakes and avoid the sometimes lifelong stigma of a criminal conviction for a crime.
    OF COURSE it will be seen as a loophole by congenitally-criminal blacks.

  28. @Rex Little

    These things, often, begin serial-reproducing at 12 – 14 years of age. It’s a vestige of their genetically-imbued, dysgenic reproductive strategy. I don’t think it’s unreasonable, at all, to believe that a 16-year-old black male has been involved in criminal activity.

    • Replies: @Rex Little
    , @Anonymous
  29. @Rex Little

    I’m nitpicking here, but I don’t think it’s reasonable to call a 16-year-old a “career criminal” – or a “career” anything, at that age.

    My wife and I have a pet duck. She began to quack shortly after losing her juvenile feathers. She quacks now. I reasonably suspect that she will quack until her dying day. She’s genetically predisposed to do that sort of thing.

    • LOL: Bruce County
  30. D-FENS says:

    I guess the Weekend “Willie Horton” Pass is coming back in style.

  31. anon[336] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    This is typical Christian behavior. 2000 years of it has produced a culture that has made whites racial masochists.

    Nah, totally wrong. After WWII, Jewish anti-white propaganda on the radio, TV, in newspapers, and movies, has conditioned whites to be like that. It was especially intense in Germany, to the point where they’re almost ashamed to be German. And it only took a few decades, while they were soaking up all this propaganda they were proportionally losing their Christian values. Up until WWI, whites correctly saw themselves as the ubermenschen.

  32. Raccoon says:
    @RoseTownship

    It is frightful that the media has named the alleged juvenile offender. David Earl Mays has now had his name blackened prior to any appearance before a jury of his peers.

    Of course, a jury of his “peers” would undoubtedly come to the unanimous conclusion that he dindu nuffin.

    At least the white victim has forgiven this poor unfortunate child – the white victim should go one step further in abysmal cuckedness, and withdraw his criminal complaint, which would mean that David Earl Mays would not even have to appear before a jury of his peers.

    Go for it Brian – please virtue signal your ultimate forgiveness – no fucking charges at all!

  33. Raccoon says:
    @Trevor H.

    Trevor H, if you posted your hateful screed in the U.K., you would have the Keystone Cops knocking down your door. Right now in 2019.

  34. @RoseTownship

    I can become disgruntled every time I deal with Blacks, or I can just accept that I am dealing with creatures that are barely human and have proclivities that I just can’t understand.

    I agree.
    I moved to the south not hating blacks, just not caring. They were a non-issue, I didn’t listen to their “music”, watch their programs, or understand their “culture”, but being who I am and where I am from, they left me alone.
    Enter the ATL. That BRA dumpster fire of a major metro area where black ineptitude and nepotism have created the perfect storm. I wouldn’t urinate on a burning black to save their life. If I could turn back time I’d never move to the south. All it did was introduce me to the wretched reality of majority minority blacks and their true behavioral instincts.

    They say “Sherm”, my friends call me Sherm, “you are just an old, throw-back racist who isn’t Progressive in your thinking.” I respond-you ever live in Atlanta? Yeah…

    Nashville, ATL, Shitcongo, Detroit, whatever, the only thing worse than a BRA community is one Muslim-ran. But, Dearbornistan and the Twin-Mosques, they’ll change your mind.
    Just, you know, come to terms with your wife and daughters being raped. Because, well, that’s what they do.

  35. anon[336]: “Nah, totally wrong. After WWII, Jewish anti-white propaganda on the radio, TV, in newspapers, and movies, has conditioned whites to be like that. … And it only took a few decades, while they were soaking up all this propaganda they were proportionally losing their Christian values. Up until WWI, whites correctly saw themselves as the ubermenschen.”

    This is an historically ignorant narrative; a conspiracy theory that regards whites as easily manipulated fools who are not morally responsible for their own actions.

    The fact is, America whites amended their Constitution to make negroes the legal equals of themselves by giving them citizenship and the vote in the 1860s, long before there was TV, radio, or movies, and at a time when the United States was virtually 100% white and Christian. Nor, despite the obviously disastrous results, have they ever made any move to reverse course and repeal those amendments. This is another characteristic behavior of Christians that has a long history: when faith and reality conflict, it is almost always faith that wins out with them, not reality.

    U.S. entry into WWII on the Bolshevik (i.e., anti-white) side was yet another instance of its commitment to racial equality. Far from regarding themselves as a master race, much American war propaganda cast derision on the very idea of a master race, let alone that American whites, the majority of whom were themselves of German ancestry, were members of it.

    • Replies: @anon
  36. @The Bland Enchilada

    I don’t think it’s unreasonable, at all, to believe that a 16-year-old black male has been involved in criminal activity.

    Neither do I. It wasn’t “criminal” I was objecting to, but “career”. Even if the kid has been committing crimes half his life (as a previous commenter suggested), that’s only 8 years. Not long enough to qualify as a career, in my book.

    Like I said, nitpicking. I didn’t mean to suggest that he isn’t a menace who should be locked up until he’s too old and feeble to lift a gun. But it does amuse me that so many took it that way.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  37. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Bland Enchilada

    Some of these “Boys” should have their nuts cut off at 14, 15,16.

    And the girls should be Norplanted, or at 18, offered money to be sterilized if their IQ’s are under a certain level.

  38. Tinker3 says:

    If I were him I might just happen to have an ice pick on me for the rest of my life just in case our paths crossed again.

    Like ships in the night.

  39. Franz says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    in the Bible, Jesus not only forgives the adulteress, but also prevents her from being punished in accordance with Mosaic law. It’s hard to avoid the implication: Christian forgiveness is supposed to be total

    No, it was conditional. Christ’s forgiveness specifically implied (or directly said, “Go and sin no more”) the takeaway being that if you sin again, the forgiveness is void.

    Your take on late-era Stoics is incorrect. Re-read Marcus Aurelius if you have to, but the point of absolving harm done to you is precisely that letting it stir you up too much is worse than the original harm.

    The Christian take on that was summed up by Meister Eckhart, who essentially repeated the Stoics nearly word for word. If you still hate yourself for a sin you’re insulting God’s ability to forgive you. Which might actually be another sin!

  40. Franz: “Re-read Marcus Aurelius if you have to, but the point of absolving harm done to you is precisely that letting it stir you up too much is worse than the original harm.”

    The Stoics definitely sought to master their own passions, but forgiveness for its own sake wasn’t an ideal of theirs. Sorry you don’t see the difference.

    Franz: “The Christian take on that was summed up by Meister Eckhart, who essentially repeated the Stoics nearly word for word. If you still hate yourself for a sin you’re insulting God’s ability to forgive you. Which might actually be another sin!”

    Certainly this is a Christian “take”. When Christianity caused white civilization to collapse the first time, they took whatever they could and tried to pass it off as their own. Marcus Aurelius’ writings are a good example of this. Because there is at times in them a superficial similarity to Christian doctrine, they tried to appropriate them. They did this with some pagan customs and feast days too. Saturnalia became Christmas, for example. Mostly though they just destroyed things. Temples, such as the Temple of Artemis, one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World, were destroyed, cannibalized for their materials, and their treasuries looted. Statues of the gods were defaced by having crosses carved into them or cutting off parts of them; such abuse was thought to purge them of “demons”. Pagan philosophers were tortured and murdered (e.g., Hypatia). Most pagan literature (about 99% of Roman literature and 90% of Greek) was consigned to flames, its possession having been declared a criminal offense by Christian emperors. Early Christians made the vandalism of the Taliban look tame by comparison. After the Christian takeover, the West underwent a civilizational regression that lasted almost a thousand years.

    But again, sin and seeking God’s forgiveness is a Christian idea, entirely un-Stoic.

    • Replies: @Franz
  41. @Rex Little

    Even if the kid has been committing crimes half his life (as a previous commenter suggested), that’s only 8 years. Not long enough to qualify as a career, in my book.

    Look at it this way:  if he took a bullet at age 20 and got made good or disabled, he’d probably have spent at least 60% of his life at it.  That IS a career.

  42. lavoisier says: • Website

    White masochism in action.

    Another description for liberalism.

    • Replies: @Augustus
  43. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Franz

    Christian morality does not seek justice in this life but in another life that may or may not exist.

    I would prefer to see justice done in the only life I am currently familiar with.

  44. Augustus says:
    @lavoisier

    It’s too bad white liberals can’t just be masochistic with their own lives, but they keep wanting to force the rest of us to act as if we are the same as them.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  45. Franz says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    But again, sin and seeking God’s forgiveness is a Christian idea, entirely un-Stoic.

    Actually that part is right, because I was not mentioning divine forgiveness in any of this. As your other statement is something I did not knowingly address either:

    The Stoics definitely sought to master their own passions, but forgiveness for its own sake wasn’t an ideal of theirs. Sorry you don’t see the difference.

    No, I do see that, and condemn it forthrightly.

    Forgiveness for Christians (in it’s regrettably rare format) is for Christ’s sake, “Do unto others” as you want done to you, by God in this case. Usually it’s tit for tat, someone forgives you so God will forgive him.

    The rare format, though, still lets the courts and police do their job. Sin is a sort of debt, which an offended party is not obliged to collect on his own in most civilized societies. The law is there for that.

    The man’s own words are clear on this:

    “As far as him the person, I forgive him for what he did,” said Redden. But Redden believes Mays should have to pay the consequences for what police say happened.

    Never mentioned any god or philosophy. And admits the authorities are in charge from here on in, which is just responsible citizenship.

    I see no “masochism” in any of this, that’s all.

  46. anon[273] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    This is an historically ignorant narrative; a conspiracy theory that regards whites as easily manipulated fools

    Propaganda works, and it’s very easy to manipulate people, this site has enough articles about (((your))) methods of disinformation. It’s ignorant to deny it.

    who are not morally responsible for their own actions.

    The manipulated are only guilty of not being ‘woke’, but it’s good that you’ve unwittingly confirmed they’d been influenced by the propaganda that caused those actions.

    The fact is, America whites amended their Constitution to make negroes the legal equals of themselves by giving them citizenship and the vote in the 1860s, long before there was TV, radio, or movies,

    and at a time when the United States was virtually 100% white and Christian.

    Lincoln waged a propaganda war against the South in newspapers, at the same time he had inconvenient journalists jailed. This war was about secession, not Negroes. He only “freed” the slaves in the South to cause instability and chaos in the enemy land. He said he would have never done it, had it been possible to win the war that way. It wasn’t until the 1960s, with relentless propaganda and lies spewed out of every possible outlet- TV, Radio, movies, subversive literature and school books, when the Jewish led Civil Rights Movement caused whites to lose their control of the country.

    Nor, despite the obviously disastrous results, have they ever made any move to reverse course and repeal those amendments.

    Lincoln wanted an America for whites only. Lincoln was essentially a white supremacist, who wanted to ship blacks back to Africa. Repeat, it wasn’t until the 1960s, and the Jewish led Civil Rights Movement when whites lost their control of the country, when desegregation and forced integration commenced. That’s when the US begun the downward slide towards becoming less and less white.

    You’re attempting to pit blacks against whites. As the readers of this site know, Jews were the main slave traders in the New World, Dr. Tony Martin’s writings on the subject are universally known here, (((Judah Benjamin))) the Confederate Secretary of War and State, and Attorney General, cared more about preserving slavery than 97% of white, Christian Southerners (who didn’t own slaves), taken together.

    This is another characteristic behavior of Christians that has a long history: when faith and reality conflict, it is almost always faith that wins out with them, not reality.

    I understand accusing Christians of being murdering, evil, conquering, subjugating colonialists, capitalists, racists, etc., doesn’t suit your (((propaganda))) goal for this thread.

    U.S. entry into WWII on the Bolshevik (i.e., anti-white) side was yet another instance of its commitment to racial equality.

    LOL!!! Americans weren’t eager to enter the war, it took Pearl Harbor- a manufactured event to sway/manipulate the public to support the cause. FDR was influenced by the Soviet spies in his cabinet- eg. Algier Hiss or Harry Hopkins. The UK’s Churchill, ever bent on curtailing and even destroying Germany, has also used its intelligence agencies to influence American politics. And FDR was a racist who wouldn’t even congratulate Jesse Owens on his 1936 Olympic win, Hitler did.

  47. Franz: “I see no “masochism” in any of this, that’s all.”

    The Christian attitude toward forgiveness is essentially masochistic since it is to be repeated indefinitely. This is summed up in Matthew 18:21-22:

    21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

    22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

    Even if we take this literally, this means that Mr. Redden would have to take and forgive another 489 bullets in order to be a true Christian!

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  48. TwistTie says:

    What is with these white wimps forgiving and bowing to these savages? GET WOKE WHITE PEOPLE! These savages have no problem killing us

    • Agree: Bruce County
  49. anon[273]: “Lincoln wanted an America for whites only. Lincoln was essentially a white supremacist, who wanted to ship blacks back to Africa. ”

    Lincoln proposed making negroes into citizens and giving them the vote in his last public address before being assassinated.

    The amount of constituency, so to speak, on which the new Louisiana government rests, would be more satisfactory to all, if it contained fifty, thirty, or even twenty thousand, instead of only about twelve thousand, as it does. It is also unsatisfactory to some that the elective franchise is not given to the colored man. I would myself prefer that it were now conferred on the very intelligent, and on those who serve our cause as soldiers. … The colored man too, in seeing all united for him, is inspired with vigilance, and energy, and daring, to the same end. Grant that he desires the elective franchise, will he not attain it sooner by saving the already advanced steps toward it, than by running backward over them?
    – Abraham Lincoln, last public address, Washington, D.C., April 11, 1865

    John Wilkes Booth, who was in attendance at this speech, became so enraged at this that he swore to kill him.

    Lincoln was also no white supremacist. Always morally opposed to slavery, he occasionally would let slip his true feelings:

    Let us discard all this quibbling about this man and the other man; this race and that race and the other race being inferior, and therefore they must be placed in an inferior position; discarding our standard that we have left us. Let us discard all these things, and unite as one people throughout this land, until we shall once more stand up declaring that all men are created equal.
    – Abraham Lincoln, Lincoln–Douglas debates (1858)

    Apparently you are also unaware that it was only voluntary self-deportation that was ever under discussion. Nobody, especially Lincoln, though he arguably had the power, ever spoke in terms of forcibly rounding up all the negroes and deporting them whether they wanted to go or not. Organizations such as the American Colonization Society were set up to assist those who volunteered to depart, but never even broached the idea of forcibly removing them.

    Of course it didn’t work, and Lincoln, not being a complete fool, must have known it wouldn’t. Only about 3% of former slaves ever left these shores.

    • Replies: @Bruce County
    , @anon
  50. Franz says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Even if we take this literally, this means that Mr. Redden would have to take and forgive another 489 bullets in order to be a true Christian!

    However odd it sounds, Jesus is only repeating: In your heart, give it up!

    Taken out of the archaic, he’s just being told that if that bullet gives you pain for a year, or two, or a thousand days, you’ve made the right call. Let karma do it’s bit, it don’t need you, the universe is working toward justice and your role in this is over.

    It remains a tool to make life easier, whatever tradition we might cite.

    It also remains a fact that no Christian is permitted to ignore civil law and allow a violent felon free to hurt others. Mr. Redden, whatever he believes, is an admirable citizen and calling him a masochist is just unproductive.

    If I ever get shot and live I ain’t gonna say a word.

  51. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    You must have missed this one….
    “It is better for the Negro and white races to be separated,” President Abraham Lincoln said in an address to some 500 free Negroes, on the White House lawn, April 14, 1862.
    President Lincoln said: “You and we are different races. We have between us a broader physical difference than exists between any other two races.
    “Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss; but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think.
    “Your race suffer very greatly, many of them, by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word, we suffer on each side. If this be admitted, it affords a reason, at last, why we should be separated.
    “Even when you cease to be slaves, you are yet far removed from being placed on an equality with white people.
    “On this broad continent not a single man of your race is made the equal of a single man of ours.
    “Go where you are treated the best, and the ban is still upon you. I cannot alter it if I would. See your present condition, the Country engaged in war, our white men cutting one another’s throats, and then consider what we know to be the truth — But for your race among us there would be no war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or another. It is better for us both therefore to be separated.”
    “What I would most desire would be the separation of the white and black races.” Abraham Lincoln (Spoken at Springfield, Illinois, July 17, 1858; ABRAHAM LINCOLN COMPLETE WORKS, edited by Nicolay and Hay, published by The Century Company, 1894, Volume I, p. 273.)

    “I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races- that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes- nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which will ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together, there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.” Abraham Lincoln (Spoken in the sixth joint debate with Senator Douglas at Quincy, Illinois, October 13, 1858)

  52. Bruce County: [quoting Lincoln] “But for your race among us there would be no war, …”

    Yes, I’m aware that Lincoln said other, contradictory things. Given what he did and the other things he said, all it proves is that he was a crafty politician, or in other words, a liar. It amazes me that over a century and half after he was shot, he’s still fooling a certain segment of the population. This calls to mind his alleged statement that you can fool some of the people all of the time. I suggest you consider that you may be in that category.

    Also, I hope you are not one of those gullible people who believes the war had nothing to do with slavery. That’s pretty common among Lincoln fans on the racial right. The above quote shows that Lincoln believed it was all about slavery. He repeats this contention in his Second Inaugural address.

  53. Franz: ” Let karma do it’s bit…”

    Karma? Heh. This is certainly an imaginative interpretation; a New Age sort of Christianity. I think it would be very difficult to find a way to show rabbi Jesus believed in karma. Of course, once you pretend to know what he “really” meant, instead of what he supposedly actually said, you’re free to invent anything you want.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Franz
  54. anon[220] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Lincoln proposed making negroes into citizens and giving them the vote in his last public address before being assassinated.

    A skilled, manipulative politician, like Lincoln wouldn’t publicly state something that contradicts his war propaganda, lest he made a fool of himself, he had “freed” the slaves after all, he had to keep appearances and go on with the ‘show’. This is what politicians do, they say one thing publicly and not even believe it. It’s what they say in private that matters. You’re surely aware of it. Nobody here is against blacks, as you seem to want us to be, just because they’re a different race, we have a problem only with black criminals.

    Lincoln on Blacks:*

    “The whole nation is interested that the best use shall be made of these territories. We want them for the homes of free white people.” ~ Lincoln, on whether blacks – slave or free – should be allowed in the new territories in the west, October 16, 1854.

    “I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position. I have never said anything to the contrary.” ~ Lincoln, Aug. 21, 1858, in remarks stating his belief that blacks were naturally inferior to whites, which was a nearly universal belief on the part of whites in both the North and South long before and long after the Civil War.

    “Root, hog, or die” ~ Lincoln’s suggestion to illiterate and propertyless ex-slaves unprepared for freedom, Feb. 3, 1865.

    “They had better be set to digging their subsistence out of the ground.” ~ Lincoln in a War Department memo, April 16, 1863

    “Send them to Liberia, to their own native land.” ~ Lincoln, speaking in favor of ethnic cleansing all blacks from the United States.

    “I cannot make it better known than it already is, that I favor colonization.” ~ Lincoln, in a message to Congress, December 1, 1862, supporting deportation of all blacks from America.

    “President Lincoln may colonize himself if he choose, but it is an impertinent act, on his part, to propose the getting rid of those who are as good as himself.” ~ America’s preeminent immediate Abolitionist and advocate of free trade, William Lloyd Garrison.

    “[Lincoln] had not a drop of anti-slavery blood in his veins.” ~ William Lloyd Garrison.

    The comments shown here illustrate that abolition was not what motivated Lincoln. The coldness in Lincoln’s remarks, the lack of thought and preparation about the process of emancipation, and how the freedman would cope without the necessary skills is readily apparent.

    *https://www.lewrockwell.com/2002/10/adam-young/the-real-abraham-lincoln/

  55. anon[221] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    There you go again doc (((Morgenstern))) with this Talmudic hatred of Christianity, pretending to come from some reasoned, atheistic angle, you are not a legitimate commentator, you should try harder, I’ve seen the statements you made before, repeated word for word , on another forum. It’s no coincidence. Ask your supervisors at the (((troll))) farm to modify them somewhat for all of you the next time, you want more sophistication. You can’t hide that your modus operandi is to incite, but nobody here will hate on blacks just because.

    Also, I hope you are not one of those gullible people who believes the war had nothing to do with slavery.

    Lincoln On Slavery:*

    “… when they [slaveowners] remind us of their constitutional rights, I acknowledge them, not grudgingly but fully and fairly; and I would give them any legislation for the claiming of their fugitives.” ~ Lincoln, speaking in support of the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850.

    “…in nearly all the published speeches of him who now addresses you… I do but quote from one of those speeches when I declare that ‘I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.’ ”

    “I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable.” ~ Lincoln, speaking in regards to slavery and in support of a proposed Thirteenth Amendment to explicitly guarantee slavery.

    * https://www.lewrockwell.com/2002/10/adam-young/the-real-abraham-lincoln/

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/08/thomas-dilorenzo/lincolns-racial-views/

  56. Franz says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    I think it would be very difficult to find a way to show rabbi Jesus believed in karma.

    Rabbi Jesus? Fella, I was the resident atheist on a WN board for years. I only know that Christian forgiveness is well in line with all the other traditions, Platonist. Hermetic, Gnostic and the rest, that made pretty much the same point. The justifications, technical specifics may have been diffierent, but they all made clear that forgiveness created clarity in the soul of the forgiver.

    The god in question, assuming that even matters, isn’t the point. Human action in reaction to these things DO matter, and a man who has found he can let a violent crime not pollute his soul is superior because he is aware that his part in the situation is over. Further tossing on his part will not help the outcome.

    Repeat: The white man in above article was no masochist.

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