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A real estate website has decided not to add crime data to their database, all in an effort not to “reinforce racial bias.” [Neighborhood Crime Data Doesn’t Belong on Real Estate Sites, Redfin.com, December 13, 2021]:

We recently decided not to add neighborhood crime data to Redfin.com. We were considering this because we’re very much focused on answering all the questions people have when they’re considering a home purchase, and we know that one of these questions is whether they’ll feel safe in a given home or neighborhood. But the data available don’t allow us to speak accurately to that question, and given the long history of redlining and racist housing covenants in the United States there’s too great a risk of this inaccuracy reinforcing racial bias. We believe that Redfin–and all real estate sites–should not show neighborhood crime data.

People Are Interested in Safety, Not Crime

One big thing we learned through our research is that there’s real variety in how people define and evaluate safety, and that it doesn’t line up very well with purely crime-based data. When we survey people about what they want to know about a neighborhood, they define safety in a number of different ways: people variously say they care whether there’s trash on the street, care solely about violent crime, or care whether they are going to frequently see people who are homeless.

Reported Crimes May Not Accurately Reflect Actual Crimes

Even if you narrow down to crime as an indicator of safety, there are reasons to doubt the usefulness of the data available. The most straightforward source of crime data is the Uniform Crime Report from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, which collects reported crimes from police departments across the country. Most crimes in the U.S. go unreported, however, and most reported crimes go unsolved. The fact that most crimes are missing creates a real possibility that the crimes that show up in the data set skew one way or another. And the fact that most reported crimes go unsolved means that some of the crimes being reported in fact may not be crimes. If you’re extracting data at the neighborhood level, the risk of these gaps leading to inaccuracy becomes high.

Crime Surveys Risk Including Racial Bias

To get around the gaps with reported crimes, the main other data source we considered was the National Crime Victimization Survey from the Bureau of Justice Statistics. By virtue of being a survey, this has the advantage of being able to capture both officially reported and unreported crimes. However, also by virtue of being a survey, if there’s racial bias in respondents’ answers this will get reflected directly in the data. And there are troubling signs of this: in the 2019 survey, people reporting crimes were more likely to describe their offender as young, male, and Black than would be expected given the representation of those groups in the population.

We’ll Weigh Each and Every Decision to Add Data to the Site

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People are hungry for more information to answer their real estate questions, and Redfin will continue to add more and more data to help with that. We know that whenever we add new data, however, there’s the potential for it to change whether people decide to live and invest in a neighborhood, and to do so in ways that are impacted by historical and current bias. Each and every time we add data to Redfin.com we will consider the accuracy and likely impact of that change. Sometimes that will result in us deciding not to add data to the site, and sometimes that will result in us deciding to add the data. In this case we’re confident that the crime data that are available today ought not to be on Redfin or any other real estate site.

But what if the offenders of crime are actually “young, male, and black?”

Reality has a well-known racial bias, no attempts to blame on white privilege can overcome.

We are witnessing a Communist coup in America, where attempts to be honest about race and crime must be met with censorship, because perpetuating stereotypes is a great sin than actually reporting the demographic responsible for most crime in America.

 

 
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  1. “[People] define safety in a number of different ways: people variously say they care whether there’s trash on the street, care solely about violent crime, or care whether they are going to frequently see people who are homeless.”

    Apparently some homebuyers are OK with homeless loitering, but not with trash in the street. Some are OK with violent crime, but not with homeless beggars. So we have to hide the data, lest we confuse those exquisitely nuanced safety-seekers.

    • Agree: Polistra, RedpilledAF
    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  2. Anecdotally, the safest neighborhoods are the ones, like mine, where homeowners are armed to the teeth. There’s probably a positive correlation to licensed gun owners in there somewhere. Do the cops publish such data?

    How many of these RE services rate the public schools in the same zipcode? I mean, if we’re talking about eliminating inaccuracy and bias, the schools honestly range from sucky to catastrophic.

  3. – For all the reasons given one does not use the Uniform Crime Report
    (the DoJ have been lying through their teeth for 30 years anyway) but the
    Crime Victimization Survey – except for murder because:
    1) Murder is harder to sweep under the rug
    2) Victims might be less willing to cooperate with pollsters

    And is it just me or are these endless euphemisms getting old?
    “Good schools (the classic)”, “walkable neighborhood”, “homeless people”
    me … foot.

  4. MarkinLA says:

    Well looks like they decided to cut their viewership by 90% compared to other sites.

    • Replies: @Polistra
  5. usNthem says:

    “People are interested in safety, not crime.” Yeah, “safety” if the house is on a busy street or backs up to a cliff. But in reality it means safe from (negroidal) crime, idiot. And to not furnish such info to prospective buyers makes your worthless website complicit.

  6. perpetuating stereotypes is a great[er] sin

    FIFY.

  7. If you’re extracting data at the neighborhood level, the risk of these gaps leading to inaccuracy becomes high.

    If you’re extracting data at the city level in cities where the police simply don’t accept reports (coughDetoiletcough) your inaccuracy becomes total.

    in the 2019 survey, people reporting crimes were more likely to describe their offender as young, male, and Black than would be expected given the representation of those groups in the population.

    What?!  The group responsible for over 50% of murders might be legitimately over-represented in other crime statistics?

    That has to qualify as one of the DUMBEST sentences ever written, and will only be taken at face value by the equally dumb.

    Not that I expect to be looking again, but redfin.com should be off everyone’s list of real-estate sites.  Good Schools should be on it.

    FYI, did you know that “realtor” is not the same as “licensed real-estate agent”?  Realtors are not allowed to mention certain characteristics of homes, such as the racial composition of the area.  Is there an opening for real-estate agents who are NOT realtors, to act as trusted sources?  Perhaps a reference website which they can refer people to, without saying another word?  Something to think about.

    • Replies: @Raccoon
    , @Feryl
  8. To be honest, I never even noticed that Redfin publishes crime stats, and I look at it a lot. Besides, the easy way to figure out whether a neighborhood is desirable is to see what schools are zoned for the property, and Redfin will take you to the GreatSchools website when you click on them. And there you have it – the racial demographics at your fingertips (and ignore all the other stuff, like “equity”).

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  9. So there’s travel warnings for dangerous parts of the world, but anyone trying to figure out the safe parts of American cities is a racist… gotcha.

    • Agree: usNthem, Adolph 2nd
  10. I guess folks will just have to figure it out the old fashioned way–before purchasing walk the streets of the area at midnight on a Saturday night.

    We may lose a few strays that way–can’t win ’em all!

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Piglet
  11. Too bad Redfin is doing this but I undetstand. So can we search for areas with fewest blacks with concentric circles shaded for demographics? That’s a lot more useful than school data! Imagine one of those maps of the USA showing light levels at night, but for black people! Man, Redfin needs to run with this. A positively capital idea!

  12. That’s OK, Redfin staff. We all know you can’t publish truth in (almost) 2022. Most of us know what specific areas we are interested in, so we’ll stick to either zooming in on counties or precincts on the Justice Map site*, or going to Schooldigger or Great Schools and checking out the “students” tabs.

    We know you have to lie, but it’d have been nicer if you had just left out this information or told us you want to keep the site uncluttered or something. Displaying a 2 page piece of bullshit like this makes everybody look silly, you all for the obvious Orwellian-style lies right out in the open, and us for having wasted 2 minutes on it.

    .

    * Ironically, the creators have made the map for “justice” or something, but I have used it to see and avoid the areas where black people are. Data is data, and it seems reasonably accurate from comparisons I’ve made.

  13. Feryl says:

    City-data.com has a forum where people can discuss the perception of quality of life in a neighborhood/city. It also has crime stats and a sex offender section. It’s not that hard to find this stuff on the internet.

  14. George says:

    “Reinforces Racial Bias” Actually crime data make it harder to gentrify high crime areas. RedFin exists to support real estate sales.

    • Thanks: Mr. Rational
  15. That company statement quoted above is one of the most Orwellian things I’ve read. It is also an example of what you get when woman are placed in charge of policy.

    Educated professional women will be recognized in the centuries to come as the one specific force that shattered Western Civilization.

    • Agree: Pirate999, RedpilledAF
    • Replies: @dindunuffins
  16. Andreas says:

    “We recently decided not to add neighborhood crime data to Redfin.com. We were considering this because we’re very much focused on answering all the questions people have when they’re considering a home purchase, and we know that one of these questions is whether they’ll feel safe in a given home or neighborhood. But the data available don’t allow us to speak accurately to that question, and given the long history of redlining and racist housing covenants in the United States there’s too great a risk of this inaccuracy reinforcing racial bias. We believe that Redfin–and all real estate sites–should not show neighborhood crime data.”

    The logic here is quite something.

    Redfin is “very much focused on answering all the questions people have when they’re considering a home purchase”.

    Therefore, by removing crime data, they are implying that the rate of crime is not one of the questions people ask.

    Instead they say “we know that one of these questions is whether they’ll feel safe in a given home or neighborhood”.

    Any reasonable individual knows that the rate of crime is a metric for public safety; that is the more crime in a neighborhood, the less safe its residents will be – by definition. However, by removing crime data, they are eliminating the metric by which people can gauge the probability of being a victim of crime. Further, they don’t address the obvious question of how people will then be able to assess their safety.

    It gets even more fabulous with the statement “But the data available don’t allow us to speak accurately to that question.”.

    But the available data do allow an accurate assessment, and the available data are crime statistics. Yet, it is also bizarrely self-fulfilling. For indeed, when crime data is no longer available, then Redfin will no longer be able to “speak accurately” to the question of whether a home buyer will feel safe in a given neighborhood , especially when they don’t provide any other data by which a home buyer can make this determination.

    The stupidity reaches a peak with the following statement that “there’s too great a risk of this inaccuracy reinforcing racial bias.”

    I couldn’t agree more on Redfin’s risk assessment. For when people are no longer able to accurately determine their risk of crime, move into crime ridden neighborhoods and become victims of crime, then this will naturally reinforce the “racial bias” against the perpetrators who will statistically be black.

    This kind of woke, Ebonics logic is now becoming institutionalized in corporate America as official policy. The dystopian future that awaited us is here now, and it is only going to get worse when this type of policy begins to affect STEM fields..

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  17. A decade ago, a buddy of mine who worked as a civilian with the police department bought a house. Every last cop congratulated him for choosing a neighborhood, “far away from Democrats.” 😄

    • LOL: Augustus
  18. Rich says:

    Get woke, go broke. Zillow, Trulia, realtor.com and others sincerely thank Redfin for making a poorer product.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
  19. LOL! A real estate website has decided not to add crime data to their database, all in an effort not to “reinforce racial bias.” The only reason said bias is being reinforced is because blacks are doing the reinforcing. What is so hard to understand about that. Knock off the gaslighting BS.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  20. Catdog says:

    That’s fine. I’m already in the habit of looking up the demographic data before I go anywhere.

  21. Go ahead, hide the crime stats. Any intelligent White person will know to check out the neighborhood before buying a home there. Their eyes won’t lie to them. You can hide the negro crime stats all you want but you can’t hide the negros causing it. Next they’ll try hiding the school ratings, as these are also an indicator of how “dark” an area is.

  22. profnasty says:

    Surprise! Your new home is in hell’s kitchen.
    Diversity is strength.

  23. “People are interested in Safety, not Crime.”—
    wins The Prize For The Biggest Pile Of Printed Institutional BeeEss In The Western Hemisphere.

    As in, I’m interested in attack dogs, not the ones that’ll bite my throat out.
    or…
    I like to jog on Interstate highways, not the ones where I’ll get run over .

  24. A brief summary…

    We recently decided not to add neighborhood crime data to Redfin.com because this will reinforce racial bias. In 2019, people reporting crimes were more likely to describe the criminals as young, male, and black. This is because young black males are responsible for most violent crime and most crime in general. This fact has only been exacerbated by the racial reckoning that followed the death of Saint Floyd The Breathless, peace be upon Him.

    The fact that most reported crimes go unsolved means that cops are useless taxeaters. Like other people masquerading as “government”, they are parasites upon the productive members of society. They too are often criminals who have no place in free society.

  25. I guess I’ll have to research my demographics elsewhere.

    And since I’ll have to go elsewhere anyway… fuck’em.

    We’re at war… and the enemy proudly illuminates themselves.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  26. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    A lot of pricey areas with expensive condos for sale have turned into semi-trash overnight. Thanks to race riots, BLM, Antifa and some elected officials there’s been an explosion in crime and stink-ball druggie homeless in many cities. Pay a lot of money to have to step over passed out derelicts at your front door? Have to worry about getting carjacked or robbed at gunpoint? Get panhandled all day long, every time you enter a store or walk down the street? All this has to be covered up lest there be some white flight, taking their tax money with them. You know who contributes the bulk of this problem. Let’s not mention that there’s a problem because inevitably that leads to talk about how to fix this problem.

  27. Anyone with any common sense already knows that the higher the black population in a given area the higher the crime rate will be. Redfin refusing to disclose the crime rate is pointless- they’d have to refuse to reveal how many negroes lived in or near a certain area. Even then, other sites would reveal the demographic data and would be checked out by those with concerns for the safety of themselves and their families. Redfin is delusional if they think people will rely solely on the info they provide.

    I’ll just put this in the “what we’re doing is utterly useless but we’re just doing it to show how “woke” we are” column.

    • Agree: Cauchemar du Singe
    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
    , @AnalogMan
  28. “And the fact that most reported crimes go unsolved means that some of the crimes being reported in fact may not be crimes.”

    Can someone assist me here? To me the above sentence doesn’t make any sense.

  29. @anonymous

    Let’s not mention that there’s a problem because inevitably that leads to talk about how to fix this problem.

    Oh, we can “fix” the problem easily.  Start by “fixing” the felon factories, preferably at birth.

  30. “given the long history of redlining and racist housing covenants in the United States, there’s too great a risk of this inaccuracy reinforcing racial bias.”

    In other words, White people armed with the facts will self-segregate. Black areas will become Blacker, and property values there will decline accordingly.

    This hurts corporate investors, who bought properties for the returns. They’d rather not be stuck holding declining assets, because White families won’t take a bullet for the team.

  31. Here’s a helpful hint for house hunters: If a neighborhood is represented in the state legislature by Republicans, it’s probably clean, safe and white. If it’s represented by Democrats, run for your life. If it’s represented by a mixture of Republicans and Democrats, expect to be running for your life in less than 10 years if you buy there.

    In addition to lack of Democratic representation, another good sign is lack of public transportation.

    They think were too stupid to find proxies. We’re not.

    • Agree: usNthem, Listener
    • Thanks: Augustus
    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    , @Listener
  32. Alfa158 says:
    @Rich

    I was using realtor.com, while it appears you can still check flood and noise etc the crime data is also gone from that site.

  33. Bioweapons only work if you can get them to the targets.

  34. El Dato says:

    in the 2019 survey, people reporting crimes were more likely to describe their offender as young, male, and Black than would be expected given the representation of those groups in the population.

    A sure sign of white supremacists in blackface doing crime and sheeet.

    • LOL: Augustus
  35. vb says:

    Chicago, New York, and New Orleans do not report their data to the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report. It’s an outright lie to say that “The most straightforward source of crime data is the Uniform Crime Report from the Federal Bureau of Investigation”

  36. @anonymous

    One of the deciding factors that led me to sell my house was the fact they started building 4 new 8 story+ condo/business complexes within a few blocks of my single family home neighborhood. Each of those had a certain percentage of units set aside for low income residents or whatever code word they were using instead of saying Section 8. A few other factors were someone bought one of the houses down the street and turned it into an Air BnB which seemed to have 90% black renters all the time, blasting music, multiple cars in the street etc. Then I started seeing some female groids walking up and down the block in the middle of the day with a toddler and baby. Apparently they lived in what used to be expensive apartments on the water that had gotten a bit older, so the landlord made some Section 8 around Covid for the guaranteed rent. I had just listed my house when another house up the street sold. The old lady who lived in it died and her kids sold it….to a family of groids, with 4 cars in a 2 car driveway. That erased all doubts I had about selling and getting out of there.

    In regards to the post, my rule of thumb is once you start seeing empty Hennessey bottles and more trash on the side of the street, you’re in a black neighborhood.

  37. vb says:
    @Blackstone

    In Chicago, if they can’t solve a murder (which is in most cases) they will try like heck to reclassify the “crime” to a “death investigation”. Like magic, there’s no crime! It’s now a natural death, accident, suicide, or undetermined. But definitely, not an unsolved murder. Thus “some of the crimes being reported in fact may not be crimes.”

  38. Augustus says:

    “It reinforces racial biases against blacks.”

    The truth has no bias!

  39. @Non PC Infidel

    Also who is just buying a house online based on some pictures, without going to see it in person at least once? Unless you’re buying it to flip/rent, the cat will be out of the bag as soon as you physically go see it. There were a lot of beautiful old Victorian mansions and pre-war brownstones in Hartford Ct, that online looked amazing, until you went to the neighborhood and saw that the houses on either side were turned into section 8 apartments, or groids spending the day sitting out on the stoops after 2pm when they finally roll out of bed.

  40. @Blackstone

    Smollett’s report.

    Japan’s homicide clearance rate = 0.95. Therefore, among the unsolved 5%, some could have been erroneously attributed to unnatural causes.

    GreatSchools. Really.

  41. @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    My state (CT) has 169 towns and 21 cities.

    Only four towns voted for Trump.

    Those are the four towns you want to live in.

    Real estate is easy!

  42. If you want to reduce your exposure to blacks when you shop for groceries, consider getting a Costco membership. Apparently Costco’s \$60 a year membership fee tends to discourage high time preference black people from joining, though you could see other diversitarians as members who usually handle their money better: East Asians, South Asians, Middle Easterners and yarmulke people. You’ll also save money on gasoline, tires and prescriptions.

    • Replies: @loren
  43. AnalogMan says:
    @Non PC Infidel

    No, that’s not it. Their objective is to sell properties. Any information that might put off a potential buyer has to be buried.

    If they can’t claim it would be illegal to reveal that information (like demographic data – who do you suppose was behind that law?), then they’ll find any stupid rationalisation to pretend it would be immoral. The fact is that it would be unprofitable.

  44. AnalogMan says:
    @Blackstone

    Think Jussie Smollet. Not all reported crimes are real crimes. If unsolved, it’s not proven.

  45. Redfin can pound sand. You can do your own research with map & earth tools on your phone or computer. If you see too much of the following things, you’re in the wrong neighborhood: litter, currency exchanges, liquor stores, vacant lots, streets lined with shitty cars (some booted), too many apartment buildings, overgrown grass, unshoveled sidewalks & steps, grown men hanging out on sidewalks……

  46. @American Citizen

    blacks first then White wominzzz…by the way…wher dey at?

    • LOL: Augustus
  47. @Feryl

    Sex offenders are spread all over the place. Middle to upper class Whites get busted for child porn on their computers all the time and wind up on the registry just like black serial rapists of White women.

  48. Anonymous[176] • Disclaimer says:

    “But what if the offenders of crime are actually “young, male, and black?”

    Reality has a well-known racial bias, no attempts to blame on white privilege can overcome.

    We are witnessing a Communist coup in America, where attempts to be honest about race and crime must be met with censorship, because perpetuating stereotypes is a great sin than actually reporting the demographic responsible for most crime in America.”

    Remember when it said:
    “Even if you narrow down to crime as an indicator of safety, there are reasons to doubt the usefulness of the data available. The most straightforward source of crime data is the Uniform Crime Report from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, which collects reported crimes from police departments across the country. Most crimes in the U.S. go unreported, however, and most reported crimes go unsolved. The fact that most crimes are missing creates a real possibility that the crimes that show up in the data set skew one way or another. And the fact that most reported crimes go unsolved means that some of the crimes being reported in fact may not be crimes. If you’re extracting data at the neighborhood level, the risk of these gaps leading to inaccuracy becomes high.”

    Well it also doesn’t mention how crime stats are made up:
    https://outline.com/3L538E https://projects.propublica.org/protest-police-videos/ https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210717/14341547193/using-george-floyd-protests-as-excuse-minneapolis-police-destroyed-evidence-case-files.shtml https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/7/17/2040413/-Analysis-of-police-bodycams-confirm-what-Black-people-know-Cops-treat-white-people-better https://mobile.twitter.com/RightWingCope/status/1416196672900718595 https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/25/1955822/-Three-NC-Cops-Fired-for-Racism-I-can-t-wait-God-I-can-t-wait-to-Slaughter-Black-People https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150610/19505831302/nypd-cant-hire-black-officers-because-hassled-too-many-black-men.shtml https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/7/13/2039532/-My-City-Invited-Citizens-to-Speak-Out-Against-Racism-The-Cops-Turned-Our-Names-Over-to-the-FBI https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/3/16/2021285/-Watch-disturbing-video-of-judge-describing-Black-victim-of-police-shooting-as-so-dumb https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/5/18/2031003/-Botched-raid-of-Black-woman-s-home-produces-nearly-100-misconduct-claims-against-Chicago-police https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/21/1954828/-The-of-murders-of-black-men-by-cops-is-increasing-in-2020-Some-heartbreaking-resources https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200713/14442644889/detroit-pd-now-linked-to-two-bogus-arrests-stemming-facial-recognition-false-positives.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200625/13212944786/north-carolina-cops-fired-after-their-in-car-camera-catches-them-talking-about-wiping-black-people-off-expletive-map.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210512/20593546786/violent-bigoted-cop-accused-beating-another-cop-is-upset-his-text-messages-expose-him-as-violent-bigot.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210117/16075846074/arizona-prosecutors-pretend-acab-is-gang-lingo-to-hit-protesters-with-felony-gang-charges.shtml 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  49. Raccoon says:
    @Mr. Rational

    Mr Rational – it only goes so far.

    For instance, if you double the rate of the commission paid to the responsible selling agent, I can guarantee that nobody in the industry is going to go out of their way to warn a stupid whitey, if it possibly threatens their commission on sale.

  50. Listener says:
    @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    Here’s a helpful hint for house hunters: If a neighborhood is represented in the state legislature by Republicans, it’s probably clean, safe and white. If it’s represented by Democrats, run for your life. If it’s represented by a mixture of Republicans and Democrats, expect to be running for your life in less than 10 years if you buy there.

    In addition to lack of Democratic representation, another good sign is lack of public transportation.

    They think were too stupid to find proxies. We’re not.”

    I would add proximity to any street with MLK in the name, would be another hint to look elsewhere.

    • Agree: Cauchemar du Singe
  51. Polistra says:
    @MarkinLA

    They’re already an also-ran at best. However the leaders [such as Zillow] are doing their best to out-woke one another. They’ve almost completely bowdlerized the school-quality metrics, with help from still more woke corporations like GreatSchools.com.

  52. And my wife and I have decided never to use Redfin. Thanks to our white-hating peace-hating murderer-coddling enemies at Redfin for identifying themselves.

  53. Augustus says:
    @loren

    A warning to muthas every place. You biatches better make better dressing, and pies we mens be liketen fo our Thanksgivings.

    • LOL: loren, WSG
  54. @Sick 'n Tired

    Your post reminds me of some out of town folks I knew who asked me where the nice areas were in Hartford, CT.

    My answer–there are none. Stay far far away.

    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
  55. @Hapalong Cassidy

    Yep, you have to do some cross-comparisons since these people won’t make their websites as useful for us. If it’s for a move, most of us are willing to spend days in front of a computer getting it right. It’s well worth it!

    If the plan, or the general trend, is to keep all of these stats from people all over the internet, there’s always the old drive around the neighborhood, looking for Crown Vic with low-profile tires, driving by the middle school during recess, etc. It’s plain old due diligence that the internet made easier, till they take it away.

    Oh, well, easy come, easy go. Lots of websites go to hell in various ways over the years. I don’t have to click anymore. Hey, I thought they wanted people to click. I guess not…

  56. @Andreas

    The stupidity reaches a peak…

    Hey, not quite, buddy. We’ll tell you when.

  57. @Jim Bob Lassiter

    The neighborhood watch group once alerted us that there was a registered sekz offender living on the block; who knew? Soon after, I bumped into the person’s bitter parent. The SO had taken a plea deal, rather than face trial on statutory. The willing and eager teen, lurking in an adults-only chat room, had lied about its age.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  58. @Justvisiting

    I learned that after going there for 6 months for work. I lived in Wethersfield just outside the city which wasn’t too bad. The thing I liked about CT was the fact all the shitty areas were pretty well concentrated, and the smaller out lying towns and countryside are quite nice.

  59. @Feryl

    City-Data also shows racial makeup by neighborhood.

  60. One big thing we learned through our research is that there’s real variety in how people define and evaluate safety, and that it doesn’t line up very well with purely crime-based data…

    .

    I call bull shit on that one, big time.

  61. @Sick 'n Tired

    There were a lot of beautiful old Victorian mansions and pre-war brownstones in Hartford Ct, that online looked amazing, until you went to the neighborhood and saw that the houses on either side were turned into section 8 apartments, or groids spending the day sitting out on the stoops after 2pm when they finally roll out of bed.

    You meant to say “most pre-war American towns and cities”.

  62. @Two Gun Davis

    Redfin can pound sand. You can do your own research with map & earth tools on your phone or computer. If you see too much of the following things…

    Quick and dirty test; take your GPS and type in “MLK Boulevard”. If your GPS tells you that the town that you are considering has one, the wise decision is to chuckle and cross it off your list.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  63. Anon[304] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Justvisiting

    I’ve told that very thing to all the people who call me a racist. It’s amazing how fast that shuts them down

  64. In the absence of crime statistics, the best way to make housing decisions by driving around and noting how ethnically diverse the neighborhood is. Checking out the recreational facilities is also a good method. Is the tennis court being used by aged and probably racist whiteys to for decadant passtimes, or are vibrant youths occupying it to pursue their dreams of becoming aspiring rappers?

  65. Feryl says:
    @Abolish_public_education

    Yes there is over-reach, but when I perused my area’s registry there were plenty of examples of stuff like B&Es and threats/intimidation, also some guys who exposed themselves in public. There are, and always will be, perverts out there but nowadays we keep much better tabs on them. Also I found out that a high school classmate was busted 7 years ago and is now on supervised release.

  66. Feryl says:
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    There are a lot of depraved and despicable whites. The difference vis a vis blacks is that blacks are far more likely to be aggressive and violent (it’s priors and the aggressive use of force that cause black offenders to be sentenced more harshly, “racial bias” disappears when you adjust for the record of the offender and the severity of his crimes). It’s also sad that given the likelihood of condemnation to a permanent registry and disgrace, that people still can’t control their impulses.

  67. Feryl says:
    @Mr. Rational

    I have a realtor in my family. They are given annual training that browbeats into them that merely mentioning racial demographics is illegal. The training also gives examples of “coded” language that could also be construed as references to race. Clients bring up race, often euphemistically, all the time (“good schools”, “poor”, “bad area”etc.). But the realtor can only say “ok” at the most. Most of her clients are from the state she lives in and they are well aware of the really bad areas, and to a good extent the borderline bad areas (e.g. 15-20% black, +working class/non-working people of other races some of whom are elderly retirees,).

    The training also can’t resist talking about the racist past wrt red-lining, block-busting, etc.

    Let freedom ring, right?

    • Replies: @anonymous
  68. @Sick 'n Tired

    Yes, an even better indicator is to go there in the early afternoon when the school busses are dropping kids off. You eyes won’t lie to you.

    • Thanks: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Adolph 2nd
  69. @loren

    Quote of the day from the article “I ain’t think he’d do something like this”. 🙄

  70. anonymous[278] • Disclaimer says:
    @Feryl

    In Connecticut, state workers randomly call real estate agents and respond to contractors’ ads to bait them with questions about race.

  71. Anonymous[278] • Disclaimer says:
    @Boy the way Glenn Miller played

    There’s a large, older neighborhood of modest homes near mine in Florida that’s gone mostly Hispanic. These are not cheap houses and are being bought by Hispanics who are raising families and make good money displacing whites, mainly in contracting. The crime rates in the Hispanic area are fully four times those where I live a mile away, and in all categories at that. These same Hispanics have also unceremoniously shoved aside the older whites who built the local church, and the pastor had the gall to chastise the whites for not donating more money to subsidize their displacement by Hispanics.

  72. My predominantly all white neighborhood is beginning to get chainsawed by black influx….. we now understand some potential buyers are searching for such opportunities……

  73. Piglet says:
    @Justvisiting

    In the 1980s I was stationed in Germany and lived in a pleasant German village. I could walk the streets at any hour and not have a care in the world. If I had a little too much to drink at a weinfest, there was no danger of being mugged as I walked back home. No one broke into homes, vandalized or stole cars, etc. (The things most Americans regard as just “normal” in Bidenstan.) There was no “bad” part of town. I saw nothing but civilized white people during the wonderful years I lived there. All of this may have changed since Mutti Merkel opened the gates of Hell, invited the Third World and spread predators all over the country, but back then it was the kind of life we could be enjoying in this country if not for the Black Plague.

    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
  74. @Piglet

    Japan is like that as well, as long as you’re not near an American military base.

  75. @Urban Sprawl

    We got out of ours last year. My advice is to sell early, before the crime (inevitably) starts to show. Between my wife and I, we’ve been chased out of 4 different (formerly all- White) towns. We weren’t waiting until things turned sideways with this one. We got top-dollar for our house and it sold to the first buyer. Sucks to leave but you need to be smart and see the writing on the wall.

  76. @Urban Sprawl

    Get out now while home prices are still somewhat high, depending where you live. My house sold in 10 day after I listed it, for a nice chunk more than I was asking. What my former neighborhood will look like in 5 years, I can only guess, but I saw the tide starting to turn, so it was time to get out.

    • Agree: AR in Illinois
  77. @AR in Illinois

    Yep the school bus test always tells the truth. If you see a bunch of Bantus getting off the bus, you know not to buy a home in that neighborhood.

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