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In a society governed by extreme egalitarianism, freedom of association is but a pipe-dream. Our elite, and those elected to govern and dictate our lives, utilize diversity and multiculturalism (non-white legal immigration/refugees) as a weapon to bludgeon whats left of the Historic America Nation.

And now, non-white Democrats have declared war on the white suburbs. [Democrats Seek To Outlaw Suburban, Single-Family House Zoning, Calling It Racist And Bad For The Environment, Daily Caller, December 23, 2019]:

Democrats in Virginia may override local zoning to bring high-density housing, including public housing, to every neighborhood statewide — whether residents want it or not.

The measure could quickly transform the suburban lifestyle enjoyed by millions, permitting duplexes to be built on suburban lots in neighborhoods previously consisting of quiet streets and open green spaces. Proponents of “upzoning” say the changes are necessary because suburbs are bastions of segregation and elitism, as well as bad for the environment.

The move, which aims to provide “affordable housing,” might be fiercely opposed by local officials throughout the state, who have deliberately created and preserved neighborhoods with particular character — some dense and walkable, others semi-rural and private — to accommodate people’s various preferences.

But Democrats tout a state-level law’s ability to replace “not in my backyard” with “yes, in your backyard.”

House Delegate Ibraheem Samirah, a Democrat, introduced six housing measures Dec. 19, coinciding with Democrats’ takeover of the state legislature in November.

“Single-family housing zones would become two-zoned,” Samirah told the Daily Caller News Foundation. “Areas that would be impacted most would be the suburbs that have not done their part in helping out.”

“The real issues are the areas in between very dense areas which are single-family zoned. Those are the areas that the state is having significant trouble dealing with. They’re living in a bubble,” he said.

He said suburbs were “mostly white and wealthy” and that their local officials — who have historically been in charge of zoning — were ignoring the desires of poor people, who did not have time to lobby them to increase suburban density.

In response to a question about whether people who bought homes in spacious suburbs have valid reasons, not based on discrimination, for preferring to live that way — including a love for nature and desire to preserve woods and streams — he said: “Caring about nature is very important, but the more dense a neighborhood is, the more energy efficient it is.”

He said if local officials seek to change requirements like setbacks to make it impossible to build dense housing in areas zoned to preserve a nature feel, “if they make setbacks to block duplexes, there’d have to be a lawsuit to resolve whether those zoning provisions were necessary.”

It quoted Alex Baca, a Washington, D.C., urbanist with the site Greater Greater Washington, saying that single-family zoning is a tool for wealthy whites to maintain segregated neighborhoods and that the abolition of low-density neighborhoods is necessary for equity.

CityLab acknowledged that “residents might reasonably desire to keep the neighborhoods they love the way they are,” but said that implementing the law at the state level makes sure that those concerns can be more easily ignored.

“By preempting the ability of local governments to set their own restrictive zoning policies, the state policy would circumnavigate the complaints of local NIMBY homeowners who want to block denser housing,” it wrote.

ORDER IT NOW

The restoration of restrictive covenants would bring back sanity to the USA overnight (which is why the NAACP spent 30+ years waging legal war on them, culminating in Shelley vs. Kraemer decision in 1948), but this would require individual white people to admit they have collective interests worth fighting for and defending. We once did this, in a nation long forgotten: it was called the United States of America.

 
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  1. PK you are trying to awaken the spirit of America that has long been dormant. Having white people stand up for their own rights is considered racist by the democrat party. There is no more room for white democrats and their idiosy. How can we possibly live with a people who are hellbent on their own destruction, and everyone else who is white?

  2. Trying to control us. Lol

    • Replies: @Icy Blast
    Oh please. You watch TV, don't you? You're already controlled. You'll accept whatever outrage comes along.
    , @Spike
    Flashing also becomes more efficient in higher density neighborhoods.
  3. “Outlawing white suburbs” is one way to look at it, another is “pre-empting local laws which outlaw the building of duplexes.” No landowner is going to be forced to build duplexes; with this law homeowners have the right to build them, or not build them, on land that they own. Indeed, this law doesn’t go far enough. While it shouldn’t be absolute as no one wants to wake up next to an artillery range, there should be a strong presumption in favor of the property owner having the right to build what he wants. If there was such a policy maybe housing wouldn’t have increased in price so much over the last few decades. Maybe it would look more like food and furniture and electronics, where regulation was not coincidentally much less intense.

    As to the race issue, you’re making the same mistake the Democrats make when they speak of whites as if they are all rich and blacks as if they are all poor. The Democrats don’t care much for poor whites, but they are every bit as impacted by “exclusionary zoning” as are poor blacks. You ever read those stories about some depressed mining town in Appalachia and think “why don’t they just leave?” One reason is because they don’t have anywhere to go. Urban and suburban America won’t allow more housing to be built.

    I live close to the center of my city, not because I’m a big fan of all that urban life crap. It’s because my employer(and other potential employers) decided to put their offices at the core of the city and I don’t want to spend two hours a day in traffic. I live in a tri-plex, and thank God my city allowed it to be built. If you’re retired, if you rely on internet income, if you are in one of those industries where there’s demand for it everywhere, you can afford to sing the praises of the exurb or even the rural area. But if you’re like me where there are simply not any jobs available outside the urban core, it’s a luxury you don’t have.

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Replies: @Rusty nail

    While it shouldn’t be absolute as no one wants to wake up next to an artillery range, there should be a strong presumption in favor of the property owner having the right to build what he wants.
     
    What you conveniently ignore, is that when "Mr Investment Property" decides he will make out like a bandit on "affordable housing" next door to you, the only difference to an artillery range, is the caliber of the weapons fire that predominates.
    , @John Paul
    In my state there are laws regarding new construction that require a percentage be dedicated to low income residents. There are also open space development laws that require multifamily low income housing to be built alongside existing suburban and rural communities. These requirements caused a blue ribbon school district to fall substantially in a matter of years. The 400 unit apartment complex in a town of 1800 people, mostly retired and elderly, changed it forever. Best thing to come out of it is an indian owned liquor store that's open on Christmas.
    , @bomag

    If you’re retired, if you rely on internet income, if you are in one of those industries where there’s demand for it everywhere, you can afford to sing the praises of the exurb or even the rural area.
     
    Then let's build a country and economy on these principles, rather than rolling downhill to a Blade Runner future of a Hong Kong full of NAMs.
    , @Monotonous Languor
    "...the property owner having a right to build what he wants..."

    Here we go again. Yet another clueless libertarian allows entré for the left to push their agenda and ultimately achieve their unstated goals, which in this case is the destruction by brown/black hordes of every formerly white neighborhood in Virginia. If there was ever a sterling example of the lefts' useful idiots, you libertarians qualify, plus you turn into disingenuous liars whenever you try to protest otherwise.

    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    Is that you, Corvinus? Too many cucks on this site.
    , @Emslander
    Setting race aside, which it ought mercifully to be in any debate that involves adults, the effect of restrictions on expanded housing in locations that offer economic transportation, nearby services and community support is always a shortage of more affordable living. In California, these arguments are made by conservatives, who point out that enclaves for liberals in desireable locations have made it impossible for traditional large families to live where they once created the culture.

    Single family homes on small plots in vast dead zones of curving blacktops have been recognized for their inefficiency, inartfulness and inhumanity since their beginnings. Race had little to do with it.

    It's too ironic that middle class black Washington bureaucrats who live in those enclaves in Virginia are being used once again by liberal real estate speculators to ruin the neighborhoods their parents struggled to buy into.
    , @MBlanc46
    You live in the sort of neighborhood that you want. Others should be able to do the same.
  4. Am wondering if Maryland or even West Virginia developers could benefit from this. Its funny how white liberals may really regret the demographic replacement strategy the most. Kinda wish private schools became illegal in Virginia.

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok

    Am wondering if Maryland or even West Virginia developers could benefit from this.

     

    It's more likely that whites outside the state will move in because housing will be cheaper.* It's true that most whites like to live among other whites, all else being equal. But they also like cheaper housing. And jobs, which West Virginia lacks.

    *I'm assuming the proposals actually go into effect. It's more likely that they will just recreate single family zoning in another name. Liberals love regulations, they love the idea that you need the government's approval to do something. So when locals propose to bring it back under alternate names, they'll just support it in principle.
  5. I cant think of a single thing to better open the eyes of a sleepy yt than an enemy outpost in the neighborhood.
    Litter, broken windows, loud horrible “music”, fights, stolen cars, shootings and other sorts of mkyshines will be injected in every nice neighborhood. A few fence sitters will get their butt hurt and jump onto the right side.
    So many whites who love diversity have very little interaction, this will fix that.

    • Replies: @Not Woke--Not Broke
    Dave 453----------Yes indeed. Nothing awakens that inner White "raciss" like actual exposure to 85 IQ Blacks.One of my little SJW coed cousins recently experienced an awakening in Columbia,S.C. An off campus snatch and grab in 5 Points. N#$#^%&&^*& broke my phone.N*&*%^^$ broke my F*&%^$&&^* phone. ---------and a new race realist is born
  6. Whites should not even be forced to go to suburbs to “have their space”.
    ANYBODY, whites or blacks or yellows or reds or whatever SHOULD HAVE THE AUTONOMY TO LIVE WITH WHOM THEY PLEASE. Apartment owners and tenants should have the autonomy, the HUMAN RIGHT, of CONTRACT, and living “amongst their own”. Forced housing integration in apartment living has chased MANY MILLIONS of whites out of a situation which their GOD-GIVEN INSTINCT instructs them is not RIGHT.
    HOWEVER, the same bxxxxxds that forced ROE on us force integrated housing.
    If I own, for example, two apartment buildings, I should be able to put whites here, blacks there.
    In fact MORALLY I should not even HAVE to furnish both of them living quarters.
    THE LEFT know what they are doing.
    The basxxxds are destroying whites.
    PERIOD.

    • Replies: @romar
    Good points.
    And now you can see, surely, that the US is moving towards its own peculiar form of communism and totalitarianism?
    Forcibly displacing and "mixing" people who don't want to mix!
    For if housing the poor is what is intended, why not build high-rise apartment blocs in those run-down neighbourhoohs, where they can take down the decrepit buildings and build new ones?
    What sense does it make to destroy those quiet, green and relatively peaceful suburbs?
    Sooo! No more right to chose one's place of residence?
    Should we expect a law against issuing marriage certificate to couples of the same race and background?
    , @Really No Shit
    Yellows (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans etc.), Browns (Indians, Pakistanis, Arabs etc.), Reds (Mexicans et at) do live peacefully with Whites (Christians, Jews (secular), Arabs etc.) but it's still the issue of native Blacks... solve that and the problem disappear on its own...
    , @Buck Ransom
    Certain "elites" are trying to gentrify DC, to turn it all into $2 or $3 million condos. So they need to move out the vibrant folks who are occupying all that prime real estate. Same thing in NYC with the gentrification of Harlem. Bend over YT, you're about to get Diversitied.
  7. If this was to spread to more than a couple of states, just lol. Time to pack up and move to South America. White people are finished in this country. Deshawn and Jose living in da burbs next to some 500k house. Just lol at the buffoonery in America.

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok

    Deshawn and Jose living in da burbs next to some 500k house. Just lol at the buffoonery in America.

     

    I don't see why this should be some kind of red line. Poor whites have had to either live in integrated neighborhoods or live in rural areas without jobs for decades now. Why shed tears for the rich suburbanites, many of whom are socially liberal virtue-signalers anyway?

    Also, I think you'll meet a couple people named Jose in South America.
    , @Bothered
    I lived outside of Raleigh in a small town and it was exactly that. I lived in an incredible neighborhood 500k plus houses, tennis club, pool, etc.

    Just down the street was a shanty neighborhood of blacks.

    And that pattern repeated all over the area.

    Picking up a pizza on Friday night? You’d have to make your way through a group of micro aggressive slow walkers in the parking lot? Planning your kids birthday at the amusement place? Guaranteed to be 50% of you know who.

    The strangest thing too? Zero interaction between the two groups. Complete social segregation unless there was an eventual fight or friction.

    Even weirder, the other whites living in the nice neighborhoods just acted like it didn’t exist.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    "Time to pack up and move to South America."

    The Southern Cone countries, specifically Chile and Argentina, are most attractive in terms of people and climate. Their governments tend to veer between leftist and rightist authoritarian regimes. So that's a drawback.
    , @Irish Savant
    If you fly to SA then 'they' win. And it's not buffoonery. The people behind this know exactly what they're doing and why. And by the way they don't give a damn about the welfare of blacks and brwons. This is all about getting at YT.
  8. Here comes the neighborhood!

    😉

  9. They hate happy white people, and they have to go after them. They don’t even try to hide it. Why should they? No one has stood up to them, much less went after them, in 60 years.

    Here’s Che Guevara in 1967:

    ….”Hatred as an element of the struggle; a relentless hatred of the enemy, impelling us over and beyond the natural limitations that man is heir to and transforming him into an effective, violent, selective and cold killing machine. Our soldiers must be thus; a people without hatred cannot vanquish a brutal enemy.

    “We must carry the war into every corner the enemy happens to carry it: to his home, to his centers of entertainment; a total war. It is necessary to prevent him from having a moment of peace, a quiet moment outside his barracks or even inside; we must attack him wherever he may be; make him feel like a cornered beast wherever he may move. Then his moral fiber shall begin to decline. He will even become more beastly, but we shall notice how the signs of decadence begin to appear”.

    • Replies: @Augustus
    Seems Che just described his own cowardly, paranoid self.
    , @Commentator Mike
    To put that straight, what Che was writing about was the war of the people against the government. What your're dealing with here is the war of the government against the people. Good luck trying to find partners in government in your struggle.
  10. Way too many Whites are slow on situational awareness..

    • Agree: kikz
    • Replies: @Spike
    Like those Trump supporters at his rallies who get chased and beaten by protestors. They run like scared sheep, but how the hell do they allow themselves to become isolated when they were with thousands of their fellow Trump fans just moments earlier? Poor situational awareness. The same when you see a white guy get beaten by blacks while he's walking alone. Poor situational awareness.
  11. If you look at Fairfax County there are plenty of high density housing developments. They are called townhouses and they cost $500,000. Same thing in Western Henrico County next to Richmond but they are a bit cheaper say $350,000. Quarter acre lots were the norm in the 50’s and 60’s but the land has become too expensive to build moderate priced single family homes on them. In fact what is happening is people buy those close in old tract homes, tear them down and build McMansions on them. The land is worth more than the 3 bedroom 1 and half bath 1960 home.

    Negroes don’t understand the problem. Its population growth not discrimination that drives real estate prices. Only black areas remain affordable because it is dangerous to live there and only ‘gentrification’ will improve those areas and that drives negroes out to decaying suburban garden apartment.

    • Agree: Loosely Speaking
    • Replies: @Alexander Turok

    Its population growth not discrimination that drives real estate prices.

     

    That's half of the equation,(demand) the other half is supply. This reform will increase the supply of housing, reducing the price.
    , @AceDeuce
    "Wherever you find the negro, everything is going down around him, and wherever you find a white man, you see everything around him improving.”

    Robert E. Lee
    , @flashlight joe
    " Its population growth not discrimination that drives real estate prices. "

    Don't forget freddy mac, fannie may, and the fed.
  12. This is the same kind of fight as the forced integration of schools in the 50s and 60s. White people should have not backed down then and they shouldn’t now.

  13. Say what you really want to say, BLACK Democrats in Virginia Seek to Outlaw White Flight and Creation of White Suburbs

  14. @Alexander Turok
    "Outlawing white suburbs" is one way to look at it, another is "pre-empting local laws which outlaw the building of duplexes." No landowner is going to be forced to build duplexes; with this law homeowners have the right to build them, or not build them, on land that they own. Indeed, this law doesn't go far enough. While it shouldn't be absolute as no one wants to wake up next to an artillery range, there should be a strong presumption in favor of the property owner having the right to build what he wants. If there was such a policy maybe housing wouldn't have increased in price so much over the last few decades. Maybe it would look more like food and furniture and electronics, where regulation was not coincidentally much less intense.

    As to the race issue, you're making the same mistake the Democrats make when they speak of whites as if they are all rich and blacks as if they are all poor. The Democrats don't care much for poor whites, but they are every bit as impacted by "exclusionary zoning" as are poor blacks. You ever read those stories about some depressed mining town in Appalachia and think "why don't they just leave?" One reason is because they don't have anywhere to go. Urban and suburban America won't allow more housing to be built.

    I live close to the center of my city, not because I'm a big fan of all that urban life crap. It's because my employer(and other potential employers) decided to put their offices at the core of the city and I don't want to spend two hours a day in traffic. I live in a tri-plex, and thank God my city allowed it to be built. If you're retired, if you rely on internet income, if you are in one of those industries where there's demand for it everywhere, you can afford to sing the praises of the exurb or even the rural area. But if you're like me where there are simply not any jobs available outside the urban core, it's a luxury you don't have.

    While it shouldn’t be absolute as no one wants to wake up next to an artillery range, there should be a strong presumption in favor of the property owner having the right to build what he wants.

    What you conveniently ignore, is that when “Mr Investment Property” decides he will make out like a bandit on “affordable housing” next door to you, the only difference to an artillery range, is the caliber of the weapons fire that predominates.

    • Agree: CDebussey, Mark Hunter
    • Replies: @Alexander Turok

    is that when “Mr Investment Property” decides he will make out like a bandit on “affordable housing” next door to you
     
    This is a common sophomoric argument, to act like capitalists profiting off of this particular sector is immoral. Do you support a capitalist economy? Or even a mixed economy? Then you support capitalists making profits. If it's fine in other sectors, I don't see why it shouldn't be fine in this one too. I'm not supporting the subsidized affordable housing that the Democrats want, I want a free market in housing.

    the only difference to an artillery range, is the caliber of the weapons fire that predominates.
     
    Sure. But zoning laws don't solve the problem, they just move it. Notably, they allow the wealthy to promote these kind of soft-on-crime policies with the knowledge that it will be someone else who has to live next to all the convicts they release out of humanitarian scruples.
  15. “Homeowner Associations” (HOAs) are a direct result of the abolition of “restrictive covenants”. HOAs have been late in coming, but ARE being used to enforce “local community standards” on those who choose to live with their restrictions.

    “Gated communities” are another outgrowth of the immoral and illegal “civil-rights (for some” movement, “fair housing” and “equal accommodation” laws and statutes that have been forced upon us whites.

    The “next step” should be the establishment of residential “corporations” in which “shares” are required to be purchased in order to own property within “corporate boundaries”. Membership would be required in order to obtain and build on property within the corporate boundary. Membership could (and should) be used to keep out those who will not abide by (corporate) “community standards”. This is but one way to reestablish “restrictive covenants” without government participation.

  16. @Alexander Turok
    "Outlawing white suburbs" is one way to look at it, another is "pre-empting local laws which outlaw the building of duplexes." No landowner is going to be forced to build duplexes; with this law homeowners have the right to build them, or not build them, on land that they own. Indeed, this law doesn't go far enough. While it shouldn't be absolute as no one wants to wake up next to an artillery range, there should be a strong presumption in favor of the property owner having the right to build what he wants. If there was such a policy maybe housing wouldn't have increased in price so much over the last few decades. Maybe it would look more like food and furniture and electronics, where regulation was not coincidentally much less intense.

    As to the race issue, you're making the same mistake the Democrats make when they speak of whites as if they are all rich and blacks as if they are all poor. The Democrats don't care much for poor whites, but they are every bit as impacted by "exclusionary zoning" as are poor blacks. You ever read those stories about some depressed mining town in Appalachia and think "why don't they just leave?" One reason is because they don't have anywhere to go. Urban and suburban America won't allow more housing to be built.

    I live close to the center of my city, not because I'm a big fan of all that urban life crap. It's because my employer(and other potential employers) decided to put their offices at the core of the city and I don't want to spend two hours a day in traffic. I live in a tri-plex, and thank God my city allowed it to be built. If you're retired, if you rely on internet income, if you are in one of those industries where there's demand for it everywhere, you can afford to sing the praises of the exurb or even the rural area. But if you're like me where there are simply not any jobs available outside the urban core, it's a luxury you don't have.

    In my state there are laws regarding new construction that require a percentage be dedicated to low income residents. There are also open space development laws that require multifamily low income housing to be built alongside existing suburban and rural communities. These requirements caused a blue ribbon school district to fall substantially in a matter of years. The 400 unit apartment complex in a town of 1800 people, mostly retired and elderly, changed it forever. Best thing to come out of it is an indian owned liquor store that’s open on Christmas.

    • Replies: @Rusty nail

    400 unit apartment complex
     
    AAARGH! 400 apartments? Rat nest?
  17. bla bla blah multifamily housing bla bla bla higher density bla bla bla

    SLUMS

    coming to a community near you

    • Replies: @kikz
    slums via Sec8, when those new apts don't bring in the big bucks or the renters. in N. Tx, small cities/towns love the developers bucks and love to shove them next door to expensive single family subdivisions, often located the other side of a wooded creek, providing permanent access points for transients into those subdivisions via 'nature trails'.
  18. @unit472
    If you look at Fairfax County there are plenty of high density housing developments. They are called townhouses and they cost $500,000. Same thing in Western Henrico County next to Richmond but they are a bit cheaper say $350,000. Quarter acre lots were the norm in the 50's and 60's but the land has become too expensive to build moderate priced single family homes on them. In fact what is happening is people buy those close in old tract homes, tear them down and build McMansions on them. The land is worth more than the 3 bedroom 1 and half bath 1960 home.

    Negroes don't understand the problem. Its population growth not discrimination that drives real estate prices. Only black areas remain affordable because it is dangerous to live there and only 'gentrification' will improve those areas and that drives negroes out to decaying suburban garden apartment.

    Its population growth not discrimination that drives real estate prices.

    That’s half of the equation,(demand) the other half is supply. This reform will increase the supply of housing, reducing the price.

    • Replies: @Unit472
    You are as ignorant as negro politicians. High land prices preclude building affordable housing because the builder is not an idiot named Turok.

    If you have a buildable lot in a desirable area you are to put the best house you can on it because that is how you make the most money which is the object of the game not put hoodrats next door to millionaires. Sheesh are you an adult?
    , @SaneClownPosse
    This will reduce the Quality of Housing, which will reduce the desirability, and the value.

    But it will be GREAT for the slumlord corporations, buying up the area at lower evaluations. Great for the construction companies, hired to raze perfectly decent single family homes, then to build the new projects. Cabrini Greens in the burbs.

    Next will be rent based on income, so no one will be left behind.

    Soviet Union was known for central planning of efficient multi family housing. No need for each family to have their own kitchen and bathroom. Wasteful!

    The People can never benefit from Government, only the Owners can benefit.
    , @thordaddy
    But not actually reducing the “cost of living.”
    , @what gives
    It may reduce the price, but the cost will go up.
  19. @marxisthater23
    If this was to spread to more than a couple of states, just lol. Time to pack up and move to South America. White people are finished in this country. Deshawn and Jose living in da burbs next to some 500k house. Just lol at the buffoonery in America.

    Deshawn and Jose living in da burbs next to some 500k house. Just lol at the buffoonery in America.

    I don’t see why this should be some kind of red line. Poor whites have had to either live in integrated neighborhoods or live in rural areas without jobs for decades now. Why shed tears for the rich suburbanites, many of whom are socially liberal virtue-signalers anyway?

    Also, I think you’ll meet a couple people named Jose in South America.

    • Agree: TKK, Rosie
    • Replies: @Jim in Jersey
    Yeah, hate the ‘rich’.

    It’s a Marxist mandate, isn’t it?

    How about you stop trying to demonize people who’ve succeeded?
    , @bomag

    Poor whites have had to either live in integrated neighborhoods or live in rural areas without jobs for decades now.
     
    You should realize that these Virginia type regulations will not help Whites.

    It is like arguing that Section 8 housing vouchers helps poor Whites.
  20. @Anon
    Am wondering if Maryland or even West Virginia developers could benefit from this. Its funny how white liberals may really regret the demographic replacement strategy the most. Kinda wish private schools became illegal in Virginia.

    Am wondering if Maryland or even West Virginia developers could benefit from this.

    It’s more likely that whites outside the state will move in because housing will be cheaper.* It’s true that most whites like to live among other whites, all else being equal. But they also like cheaper housing. And jobs, which West Virginia lacks.

    *I’m assuming the proposals actually go into effect. It’s more likely that they will just recreate single family zoning in another name. Liberals love regulations, they love the idea that you need the government’s approval to do something. So when locals propose to bring it back under alternate names, they’ll just support it in principle.

  21. How do you say UN Agenda 21 in Ebonics, Urdu, Spanglish, Triqui, Haitian Creole ad nauseam?

  22. Just something to remember when the problem manifests itself within reach of your location… builders are there to make a profit and if the profit eludes them, they’ll choose somewhere else to try their social experiments.

    Time and money are a builders worst enemy. Anything that requires them to spend more time or more money make ‘your town’ less desirable than some other town.

    Imagine coming to a job site every morning and finding everything completed the day before in ruin. Very frustrating. Hiring security and temporary fencing adds even more to cost and still can’t guarantee 100% security. Have you seen security guards in the city recently? Almost all frightened little Haitians and Nigerians. Very superstitious.

    How many times do you try to rebuild? How many times do you put in an insurance claim before your rates soar or the company drops you? How many times do you start over before all the profit runs out of a job?

    Basically, if the PEOPLE wish something not to be built in their town, the powers that be would be hard pressed to make anything else happen.

    All you need is that persistent 1-3% of an angry, intelligent citizenry…

  23. @Alexander Turok

    Deshawn and Jose living in da burbs next to some 500k house. Just lol at the buffoonery in America.

     

    I don't see why this should be some kind of red line. Poor whites have had to either live in integrated neighborhoods or live in rural areas without jobs for decades now. Why shed tears for the rich suburbanites, many of whom are socially liberal virtue-signalers anyway?

    Also, I think you'll meet a couple people named Jose in South America.

    Yeah, hate the ‘rich’.

    It’s a Marxist mandate, isn’t it?

    How about you stop trying to demonize people who’ve succeeded?

    • Agree: Augustus
    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
    I'm not demonizing anyone. I'm the one advocating for a free market in housing. It's not about going after the rich homeowner. It's about not allowing him to tell everyone us what they are allowed to do with their property.
    , @D-FENS
    This Turok guy is an Ayn Randian. It is about as futile arguing with them as it is a Marxist.
    , @Augustus
    "Yeah, hate the 'rich.' It's a Marxist mandate, isn't it?"

    You're right, Jim. The left can never understand history. World history doesn't teach a class struggle between rich (successful) and poor. It shows a constant struggle between those who desire success and the limiting, overbearing, pirate class of government bureaucrats, who think they are entitled to a share of everything the working people create or possess. The Marxists never understand or interpret history correctly because they are busily interpreting or rewriting it to fit their flawed philosophy. It's a battle for more freedom from government versus the pirate class of would be rulers who want more control. We broke from Europe for more freedom. That freedom meant a nation with more success benefitting all people across all classes with faster economic growth than any nation in history. Now our government bureaucrats (professors) teach we need more government control. I think of Obama telling people, "You didn't create that." Their greed makes them nothing but parasites.

  24. So if whites leave a black neighborhood they commit the sin of segregation if whites move into a black neighborhood they commit the sin of gentrification.

    • Replies: @Augustus
    "Whites leave a black neighborhood, they commit the sin of segregation. Whites move back in, they commit the sin of gentrification."

    You've reminded me of my days in banking. If I didn't loan to people who couldn't pay their loans back, I was racist. The bank was then not allowed by law to expand. We couldn't even put an ATM on a corner, much less build new branches. So we make the loans and the people couldn't pay them back. I got branded a "predatory lender." BRA wins, whitey loses either way.

    When YT falls below 50% of the population, the leeches will all perish along with the nation. We've become Clown nation, sliding toward Failure nation. No nation can survive by punishing the responsible to reward the irresponsible. We no longer just subsidize failure, the left demands it.
  25. @Rusty nail

    While it shouldn’t be absolute as no one wants to wake up next to an artillery range, there should be a strong presumption in favor of the property owner having the right to build what he wants.
     
    What you conveniently ignore, is that when "Mr Investment Property" decides he will make out like a bandit on "affordable housing" next door to you, the only difference to an artillery range, is the caliber of the weapons fire that predominates.

    is that when “Mr Investment Property” decides he will make out like a bandit on “affordable housing” next door to you

    This is a common sophomoric argument, to act like capitalists profiting off of this particular sector is immoral. Do you support a capitalist economy? Or even a mixed economy? Then you support capitalists making profits. If it’s fine in other sectors, I don’t see why it shouldn’t be fine in this one too. I’m not supporting the subsidized affordable housing that the Democrats want, I want a free market in housing.

    the only difference to an artillery range, is the caliber of the weapons fire that predominates.

    Sure. But zoning laws don’t solve the problem, they just move it. Notably, they allow the wealthy to promote these kind of soft-on-crime policies with the knowledge that it will be someone else who has to live next to all the convicts they release out of humanitarian scruples.

    • Replies: @Rusty nail
    So, you split my post into two parts to make your point. Hey, try honesty, or better yet, try living in that nightmare you want to create.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    Do you support a capitalist economy?

     

    No, boomer.
    , @NPleeze

    Do you support a capitalist economy
     
    You are confusing capitalism with anarchism. There is nothing incompatible between capitalism and zoning laws. Capitalism refers to private ownership of capital; whereas you are confusing it with the absence of regulations.

    I might as well say, if you oppose hit-men, you are opposing "capitalism".

    In any event, the making of profits is orthogonal to the rules of the market. Even if the market rules say "You must not open for business on Sunday" (say, as with banks), does this mean banking is not capitalistic? lol.
    , @ShermanFan

    Do you support a capitalist economy?
     
    Cannibal Capitalism? Because that’s what this is discussing. Wealth re-distribution via one of the greatest stores of wealth in the Eastern US.
    Progressivive Capitalism where taxes, regulations, fees and fines, along with zoning, school bussing, and diversity ruin communities.

    Or even a mixed economy?
     
    Mixed Economy?
    Just another Progressive hoax.

    You see, you have both sides of the same flawed argument. We pay Union made prices for slave-wage products, then complain about the “economy”.
    We bring in H1Bs not because we don’t have STEM grads, but because a STEM grad isn’t going to work for H1B wages when they can make more doing something else.

    This is ALL about taking from whitey.
    , @Chris Mallory

    I want a free market in housing.
     
    Now do you want a true free market or do you want the Feds to tell you that you can't say "Close to schools", "Near churches", "No Kids", or "White People Only"? Because if you don't support allowing the market to freely express those restrictions you do not have a free market.
  26. I live in a Northern Virginia suburb. The traffic is terrible but we live in a very nice neighborhood. We keep our house and yard in good shape and most of our neighbors do the same. (We have one, across the street, a Bernie Sanders supporter whose house looks like a slum in duh hood, but he’s an exception. A few years back the parents were letting their high school daughter have her dindu boyfriend spend the night in her bedroom.)

    The area is very safe. We can go for walks around the neighborhood or on the paved trails in the nearby forests and not have to worry about an attack by a pack of Bantus.

    We worked for many years to make a nice home for ourselves, improved on the house quite a bit, and paid it off early. Now the newly-empowered Dems, hoping to have us fully disarmed soon, want to bring duh hood to our doorstep.

    Already dindu crime has been nibbling at the edges of the neighborhood in the form of store robberies. This morning there was a robbery just west of Fairfax County in Manassas (Prince William County). See the article below. Amazingly, the website (WTOP.com) noted the race of the perps instead of just calling them “teens” or “youths.”

    I guess I should have seen this coming. Dems have screwed up countless neighborhoods and it was inevitable that they would eventually come for this one too. Already I had told my wife that, if this area starts to go dindu, we’ll need to leave before it’s too late. That day has now drawn closer.

    One shot, one killed in armed robbery at Manassas Denny’s
    Zeke Hartner
    December 26, 2019, 7:10 AM

    One customer was killed and another was shot during an armed robbery at a Denny’s in Manassas, Virginia, in the early morning hours Thursday.

    Prince William County police said around 2:30 a.m. on Dec. 26, two armed men walked into the Denny’s at 8201 Sudley Road and attempted to rob customers and employees.

    During the robbery, two male customers were shot. The suspects took off from the restaurant shortly after.

    Officers arrived and provided the wounded men first-aid until medical personnel arrived. They were then taken to a nearby hospital. One of the victims, Yusuf Ozgur, 56, later died. The other victim, only identified as a 34-year-old man from Rixeyville, remains hospitalized.

    Police said that the two victims did not know each other, and they do not believe they were targeted by the suspects.

    Police dogs searched for the two armed robbers, but were unable to find them. Police described the suspects as black males in their late teens to early 20s, between 5’10” and 6′ and weighing approximately 180 lbs. They were wearing all black or dark clothing.

    Homicide detectives are actively investigating this incident.

    Police are asking anyone with information to contact the Prince William police Department tip line at (703)-792-7000.

    • Replies: @Rusty nail
    Start packing. When you get to the new farm you bought, make sure you are always "packing".
    , @getaclue
    You need to get out-- don't wait. My Father and us experienced this in the 60s-- all white Irish, Italian Jewish neighborhood. My Father had worked double Factory shifts and paid off the 2 bedroom house-- like all in the neighborhood the yard etc. were kept immaculate. Overnight the Jews sold out without a for sale sign to "Africans"-- how they pulled this off...but they did....

    My Father had no experience with black people (Jews either unfortunately for him) as in Ireland at that time they didn't exist (now a good part of Somalia has been moved there due to a Jewish Government Official--true fact, look it up). Soon we all did though, have "experience" with them -- bad experience...-- the neighborhood became unlivable and nasty--you had to be prepared to maybe be murdered or be in a fight for your life at any moment with robberies and murder, things unheard of before, now common-- someone butchered a pig on their front yard in what had been an immaculately kept neighborhood-- Martians might just have well landed for what was going on, people were quite unprepared for it....

    My Father and the others discovered after the sale by the Jew "neighbors" it was basically very hard to sell (the Jews no doubt got a good laugh at that one, they obviously knew they were screwing the non-Jew "neighbors"...) at anything other than a loss and get your money out. Finally my Father sold it -- losing his shirt, as they say, dying working in that crappy Factory to buy a house he had to give away because to stay you might be burned alive in it or else wise murdered -- at the Closing the Africans didn't show up with the down payment as agreed -- he had to pay it for them as it was time to get out as some other Africans threatened murder as to my Mother who was working as a nurse at the hospital as she tried to enter the Hospital building passing thru them, this was the new "reality"....

    It won't get better for you or turn around--Virginia is clearly done on its way to be another 3rd World cesspool like so much of the USA now, DC Dems moved in to VA to get away from what they created in DC etc. same as the Cali migrants fleeing the wreckage there by the Dems there but bringing their "disease" of Leftism with them to destroy where they flee to be it Colorado or Texas or wherever they land....-- the Dem scum politicians have taken over VA and they have declared war and declared the disarmament of the good citizens so the Leftists and their agents can destroy, rape and rob them, replay of the Russian Revolution in miniature for your edification and dissolution.... -- get out and maybe don't lose your shirt and become embittered as my Father did, from what you say though--may be too late already to get your $ out now that the robberies have started....--

    None of what actually occurred in these working Class Irish/Italian neighborhoods was ever recorded in the NYSlimes or the Mainslime Media-- they just made up bs about "white flight" as if "whitey" was just a "Raycissss" fleeing the good Africans for no reason, and lies about Africans being "victimized" in these communities (like the NYC Commie Mayor's wife claims, total bs....) -- no mention of "whitey" losing his shirt to get out, fleeing for his life from the new "neighbors" -- as there was no living in the newly created Lagos -- suddenly a "diversified" community....The Mainslime Media has been the Enemy of the People for a very long time now--liars and Propagandists and owned/operated by the "neighbors" who sold out en masse without putting up a for sale sign, same tribe....

  27. This is also on the table in California:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-15/california-wants-ban-racist-single-family-zoning-correct-historical-wrongs

    The state of California commissioned a study re: SB50, and found that “upzoning” actually made housing less affordable, since it makes any given plot of land more valuable (and hence more costly).

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok

    found that “upzoning” actually made housing less affordable, since it makes any given plot of land more valuable (and hence more costly).
     
    That's the wrong measure. If you build two equally sized apartments on land which used to hold a home with the same square footage as one of those apartments, what's the obvious measure? It's the cost of each individual apartment, not the cost of the plot of land itself.
    , @D-FENS
    I’ve already seen this in Orange County CA. The new housing market has split between million dollar plus homes catering to Chinese investors (even the family photos used to decorate the models have Asian photos) or townhouses/apartments, a percentage of which must be affordable. The result is s solid red county is now blue, more trash, graffiti, traffic and (so far) petty theft.
    , @Mr Bygone Days
    Our "republican" governor is pushing this in the New Hampshire legislature now too;

    https://granitegrok.com/blog/2019/12/virginia-dems-want-to-override-local-zoning-control-for-multi-family-housing-like-nh

    He is also on of the governors that just asked DC for more refugees;

    https://www.fosters.com/news/20191127/gov-sununu-consents-to-refugee-resettlement-after-trumps-order

    Hmmm, how coincidental is that?

  28. Omegabooks [AKA "Anon"] says: • Website

    Living in a far west Texas POA, I never thought restrictive covenants could ever be a good thing…now I guess they can!

    And how these idiots will enforce this nonsense in “poor white central,” aka Appalachia, is beyond me. (I know, I know…all whites move to West Virginia…and the West Virginia legislature forces all blacks to move to Virginia…that way, with VAs gun laws, blacks can shoot each other up, proving once again all this racist nonsense against whites is just….nonsense. One o’ these days, blacks will finally get it. And I’ve been saying that for about 30 years now…)

  29. If demographics are destiny, what’s in a name? 😉

    http://m.startribune.com/hello-amelia-and-oliver-healthpartners-reveals-parents-top-baby-names-for-2019/566340442/

    Now, about those names that rank at the top among the 10,000 or so births occurring annually at HealthPartners’ hospitals in western Wisconsin, the Twin Cities area and nearby in Minnesota.

    For girls: Amelia, Isabella/Isabelle, Luna, Sophia, Evelyn. Boys: Oliver, Theodore, Jackson, Aiden, Graysen.

    This is the first year that Amelia and Oliver have led the way for HealthPartners.

    Evelyn and Sophia have been among the top names for girls the past five years, HealthPartners said.

    As for boys, names have varied more in recent years, the hospital group said, with Oliver replacing Lincoln as the most popular.

    HealthPartners’ Minnesota birth centers are at Regions Hospital, St. Paul; Methodist Hospital, St. Louis Park; Lakeview Hospital, Stillwater; St. Francis Regional Medical Center, Shakopee, and Hutchinson Health Hospital.

    It has three more in western Wisconsin.

    Regions has accounted for nearly 2,200 births so far this year, and “the most common names were only chosen approximately 20 times,” said HealthPartners spokeswoman Sarah Wolf. She attributed that phenomenon to the many diverse cultures that Regions serves.

    Hennepin Healthcare also released its top baby names for Jan. 1 to Dec. 19.

    For boys, they were Dylan, Liam, Isaac, David, Mateo, Mohamed, Ibrahim, Elijah and Carlos. For girls: Sofia, Isabella, Abigail, Sophia, Serenity, Emily, Camila, Amira, Salma and Safa.

  30. The goal of the Left is not to govern. It is to destroy all opposition in order that they will have total control. They will politicize every aspect of life to do so. Free people just don’t think the way Leftists do.

    • Agree: Irish Savant
  31. Since these “minority leaders” are believers in a cargo cult, they don’t understand infrastructure like city water and city water treatment.

    All Whitopias in exurbia or rural areas need to do is plead poverty and fail to fund the infrastructure = no multifamily housing.

    The states and the feds are broke and can’t afford to extend the infrastructure.

    Game, set, match.

    • Replies: @Back1
    No infrastructure, no problem. Newbies can just poop in the street or in the grocery store.
    , @Kim
    Financial restrictions are in fact the answer to all of Whites' race and cultural problems. It costs a lot of money to defy nature. When we are poor enough, we will stop doing it. And the surveillance state that currently limits our behavorial choices will also be too expensive to run. This is all good for us.
  32. @AceDeuce
    They hate happy white people, and they have to go after them. They don't even try to hide it. Why should they? No one has stood up to them, much less went after them, in 60 years.

    Here's Che Guevara in 1967:

    ...."Hatred as an element of the struggle; a relentless hatred of the enemy, impelling us over and beyond the natural limitations that man is heir to and transforming him into an effective, violent, selective and cold killing machine. Our soldiers must be thus; a people without hatred cannot vanquish a brutal enemy.

    "We must carry the war into every corner the enemy happens to carry it: to his home, to his centers of entertainment; a total war. It is necessary to prevent him from having a moment of peace, a quiet moment outside his barracks or even inside; we must attack him wherever he may be; make him feel like a cornered beast wherever he may move. Then his moral fiber shall begin to decline. He will even become more beastly, but we shall notice how the signs of decadence begin to appear".

    Seems Che just described his own cowardly, paranoid self.

  33. @Jim in Jersey
    Yeah, hate the ‘rich’.

    It’s a Marxist mandate, isn’t it?

    How about you stop trying to demonize people who’ve succeeded?

    I’m not demonizing anyone. I’m the one advocating for a free market in housing. It’s not about going after the rich homeowner. It’s about not allowing him to tell everyone us what they are allowed to do with their property.

    • Replies: @Jim in Jersey
    That’s not how it sounded.

    Zoning exists to disallow people from opening businesses I their homes, turn one family homes into multi-family dwellings, etc.

    Keeping single family homes from turning into two families keeps nearly all the problems at bay. Rental property, especially in volume, attracts a lower class that damages the property value and injects an element into the schools and community that never gets resolved.

    Everyone knows this.

    When common sense things start getting reversed, it’s a clear indicator that social experiments are being pursued rather than the betterment of the community.
    , @Skeptikal
    "It’s about not allowing him to tell everyone us what they are allowed to do with their property."

    Grammar aunts

    This is a good example of how confusing it is to use "they" to refer to both singular and plural antecedents. A leaves a reader not knowing whether, in this sentence, "they" refers back to "him" or "everyone us."

    The best pronoun to use to refer back to "everyone us" (which itself is confusing) would be

    "to tell everyone us what *we* are allowed to do with *our* property."

    That is, if I understand the sentence correctly.
    , @MBlanc46
    Property over people. Typical Libertarianism. And the reason that Libertarianism is a tiny cult.
    , @davidgmillsatty
    You apparently don't believe in freedom to contract then which is what deed restrictions or HOA's are all about. It is people agreeing when they buy a piece of property that they will comply with certain terms when they buy it and if they don't comply they will be required by a court to do so.

    My problem with HOA's is that sometimes they think they are governments.
  34. @Robert Blake
    This is also on the table in California:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-15/california-wants-ban-racist-single-family-zoning-correct-historical-wrongs

    The state of California commissioned a study re: SB50, and found that "upzoning" actually made housing less affordable, since it makes any given plot of land more valuable (and hence more costly).

    found that “upzoning” actually made housing less affordable, since it makes any given plot of land more valuable (and hence more costly).

    That’s the wrong measure. If you build two equally sized apartments on land which used to hold a home with the same square footage as one of those apartments, what’s the obvious measure? It’s the cost of each individual apartment, not the cost of the plot of land itself.

    • Replies: @bomag

    If you build two equally sized apartments on land which used to hold a home with the same square footage as one of those apartments...
     
    And later on a four-plex is built; then an 8-plex; then...

    Kowloon Walled City was a famous result of no zoning. Do you advocate that for the future?
  35. @Alexander Turok

    is that when “Mr Investment Property” decides he will make out like a bandit on “affordable housing” next door to you
     
    This is a common sophomoric argument, to act like capitalists profiting off of this particular sector is immoral. Do you support a capitalist economy? Or even a mixed economy? Then you support capitalists making profits. If it's fine in other sectors, I don't see why it shouldn't be fine in this one too. I'm not supporting the subsidized affordable housing that the Democrats want, I want a free market in housing.

    the only difference to an artillery range, is the caliber of the weapons fire that predominates.
     
    Sure. But zoning laws don't solve the problem, they just move it. Notably, they allow the wealthy to promote these kind of soft-on-crime policies with the knowledge that it will be someone else who has to live next to all the convicts they release out of humanitarian scruples.

    So, you split my post into two parts to make your point. Hey, try honesty, or better yet, try living in that nightmare you want to create.

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok

    Hey, try honesty, or better yet, try living in that nightmare you want to create.
     
    I'm trying to, though the influx of Californians into my state may make it impossible. People seem to be voting with their feet in favor of cities like my own with relatively little regulations on housing and against the highly-regulated Blue state model.
  36. @John Paul
    In my state there are laws regarding new construction that require a percentage be dedicated to low income residents. There are also open space development laws that require multifamily low income housing to be built alongside existing suburban and rural communities. These requirements caused a blue ribbon school district to fall substantially in a matter of years. The 400 unit apartment complex in a town of 1800 people, mostly retired and elderly, changed it forever. Best thing to come out of it is an indian owned liquor store that's open on Christmas.

    400 unit apartment complex

    AAARGH! 400 apartments? Rat nest?

    • Replies: @Swamp Fox
    Or, as multi-family Section 8 is known in Denco, bastard ranches.
  37. @Piglet
    I live in a Northern Virginia suburb. The traffic is terrible but we live in a very nice neighborhood. We keep our house and yard in good shape and most of our neighbors do the same. (We have one, across the street, a Bernie Sanders supporter whose house looks like a slum in duh hood, but he's an exception. A few years back the parents were letting their high school daughter have her dindu boyfriend spend the night in her bedroom.)

    The area is very safe. We can go for walks around the neighborhood or on the paved trails in the nearby forests and not have to worry about an attack by a pack of Bantus.

    We worked for many years to make a nice home for ourselves, improved on the house quite a bit, and paid it off early. Now the newly-empowered Dems, hoping to have us fully disarmed soon, want to bring duh hood to our doorstep.

    Already dindu crime has been nibbling at the edges of the neighborhood in the form of store robberies. This morning there was a robbery just west of Fairfax County in Manassas (Prince William County). See the article below. Amazingly, the website (WTOP.com) noted the race of the perps instead of just calling them "teens" or "youths."

    I guess I should have seen this coming. Dems have screwed up countless neighborhoods and it was inevitable that they would eventually come for this one too. Already I had told my wife that, if this area starts to go dindu, we'll need to leave before it's too late. That day has now drawn closer.

    One shot, one killed in armed robbery at Manassas Denny’s
    Zeke Hartner
    December 26, 2019, 7:10 AM

    One customer was killed and another was shot during an armed robbery at a Denny’s in Manassas, Virginia, in the early morning hours Thursday.

    Prince William County police said around 2:30 a.m. on Dec. 26, two armed men walked into the Denny’s at 8201 Sudley Road and attempted to rob customers and employees.

    During the robbery, two male customers were shot. The suspects took off from the restaurant shortly after.

    Officers arrived and provided the wounded men first-aid until medical personnel arrived. They were then taken to a nearby hospital. One of the victims, Yusuf Ozgur, 56, later died. The other victim, only identified as a 34-year-old man from Rixeyville, remains hospitalized.

    Police said that the two victims did not know each other, and they do not believe they were targeted by the suspects.

    Police dogs searched for the two armed robbers, but were unable to find them. Police described the suspects as black males in their late teens to early 20s, between 5’10” and 6′ and weighing approximately 180 lbs. They were wearing all black or dark clothing.

    Homicide detectives are actively investigating this incident.

    Police are asking anyone with information to contact the Prince William police Department tip line at (703)-792-7000.

    Start packing. When you get to the new farm you bought, make sure you are always “packing”.

    • Agree: Augustus, Dave453
  38. @Robert Blake
    This is also on the table in California:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-15/california-wants-ban-racist-single-family-zoning-correct-historical-wrongs

    The state of California commissioned a study re: SB50, and found that "upzoning" actually made housing less affordable, since it makes any given plot of land more valuable (and hence more costly).

    I’ve already seen this in Orange County CA. The new housing market has split between million dollar plus homes catering to Chinese investors (even the family photos used to decorate the models have Asian photos) or townhouses/apartments, a percentage of which must be affordable. The result is s solid red county is now blue, more trash, graffiti, traffic and (so far) petty theft.

  39. @Jim in Jersey
    Yeah, hate the ‘rich’.

    It’s a Marxist mandate, isn’t it?

    How about you stop trying to demonize people who’ve succeeded?

    This Turok guy is an Ayn Randian. It is about as futile arguing with them as it is a Marxist.

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
    My views are syncretic. I'd welcome higher taxes on the wealthy, but want to deregulate housing. It's not due to any head-in-the-cloud ideology: I just want cheap housing for myself.
  40. @Jim in Jersey
    Yeah, hate the ‘rich’.

    It’s a Marxist mandate, isn’t it?

    How about you stop trying to demonize people who’ve succeeded?

    “Yeah, hate the ‘rich.’ It’s a Marxist mandate, isn’t it?”

    You’re right, Jim. The left can never understand history. World history doesn’t teach a class struggle between rich (successful) and poor. It shows a constant struggle between those who desire success and the limiting, overbearing, pirate class of government bureaucrats, who think they are entitled to a share of everything the working people create or possess. The Marxists never understand or interpret history correctly because they are busily interpreting or rewriting it to fit their flawed philosophy. It’s a battle for more freedom from government versus the pirate class of would be rulers who want more control. We broke from Europe for more freedom. That freedom meant a nation with more success benefitting all people across all classes with faster economic growth than any nation in history. Now our government bureaucrats (professors) teach we need more government control. I think of Obama telling people, “You didn’t create that.” Their greed makes them nothing but parasites.

    • Replies: @Jim in Jersey

    The Marxists never understand or interpret history correctly
     
    They never have to because there are no consequences for their failures.

    We coddle our known enemies in this country as nowhere else. We make it easy for them the attain and hold public office. No tar or feathers when they deliberately malign us. No nooses outside their residences as they are dragged from their beds to justice. Not even a fine or a loss of congressional benefits.

    We need to recognize the enemies of our way of life. We need to call them out for what they are. We need to do the same to the leftist press/media as they try to focus us on non-issues and ignore the larger picture.
  41. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    In my upper middle class subdivision, there is one house with black residents, one house with Hispanic residents, and one house with refugee Muslims. I guarantee that you could do one drive through and pick out those three houses. No if, ands, or buts. Amazing how beautiful homes can be turned into rather dubious places in a short amount of time. Good luck, Virginia. You were once a beautiful state.

    • Replies: @jbwilson24
    "In my upper middle class subdivision, there is one house with black residents, one house with Hispanic residents, and one house with refugee Muslims. I guarantee that you could do one drive through and pick out those three houses"

    In my middle class subdivision, which was largely white and east asian until a few years ago, the few hispanic houses are immaculate. They appear to live 12 to a house, but they take care of the exterior like no one else.

    We are getting a major mosque, the first one in miles and miles. The people complaining on NextDoor.com are Chinese, Koreans and Hispanics. I guess the whites don't feel comfortable enough to voice concerns, but the 'minorities' are none too happy with a massive mosque going up in the area.

    Hispanics have not been a problem at all, as far as I know. There are even a couple of professional black families in the subdivision who are rock solid, despite having teenage males. It's the incoming pajeets and muslims that are going to really cause the area to go downhill. We see more and more hijabs in the local supermarket, which is a sign that it is time to move.

    , @1957 Model B
    Same thing here in Maryland...They have been pushing the sec 8 agenda for years now.....If you live in a neighborhood where the houses rent for $2500 a month they are forcing the renter to accept a sec 8 voucher...So John q taxpayer is paying $2500 a month while the sec 8 tenants are paying $65.00 a month and destroying the neighborhood...NOBODY wants to live around ignorance and chaos and you can DEFINITELY see the difference in who lives in which house
    , @Love Street
    .. details please , on those 3 houses
  42. @Cliff
    So if whites leave a black neighborhood they commit the sin of segregation if whites move into a black neighborhood they commit the sin of gentrification.

    “Whites leave a black neighborhood, they commit the sin of segregation. Whites move back in, they commit the sin of gentrification.”

    You’ve reminded me of my days in banking. If I didn’t loan to people who couldn’t pay their loans back, I was racist. The bank was then not allowed by law to expand. We couldn’t even put an ATM on a corner, much less build new branches. So we make the loans and the people couldn’t pay them back. I got branded a “predatory lender.” BRA wins, whitey loses either way.

    When YT falls below 50% of the population, the leeches will all perish along with the nation. We’ve become Clown nation, sliding toward Failure nation. No nation can survive by punishing the responsible to reward the irresponsible. We no longer just subsidize failure, the left demands it.

    • Agree: Dave453
  43. This is the future of every single municipality unless you fight back.

    Run for local political office. Get on the school board. Get elected County Sheriff where a lot of power resides in.

    Stand up and fight, otherwise you are just waiting to die

  44. Eh, suburbistan is bad in general, from a practical standpoint. However, all it takes is to drill 2 footpaths and add a commercial/mixed use lot in the centres to make them fully functional and not dead.

    But anyway, we know how americans do their urbanism. They’re just gonna replace the cardboard homes with cardboard apartment buildings, doubling or even tripling the population, with zero services in a reasonable, walkable distance.

    Then they gonna bitch and moan about muh urban sprawl and the ensuing mind-boggling traffic jams. Then to resolve them they’ll try to make even more unnecessary and oversized highways they can’t maintain, which will just get congested anyway, except they’re gonna complete them for only 1/3rd of the planned route, because NIMBYism.

    Just fucking Carthage them all and start from scratch. With European or Asian urban planners. Whatever they do now is just gonna make cities even more dysfunctional.

  45. @Rusty nail
    So, you split my post into two parts to make your point. Hey, try honesty, or better yet, try living in that nightmare you want to create.

    Hey, try honesty, or better yet, try living in that nightmare you want to create.

    I’m trying to, though the influx of Californians into my state may make it impossible. People seem to be voting with their feet in favor of cities like my own with relatively little regulations on housing and against the highly-regulated Blue state model.

  46. @D-FENS
    This Turok guy is an Ayn Randian. It is about as futile arguing with them as it is a Marxist.

    My views are syncretic. I’d welcome higher taxes on the wealthy, but want to deregulate housing. It’s not due to any head-in-the-cloud ideology: I just want cheap housing for myself.

    • Replies: @Jim bob Lassiter
    You can't have cheap housing (that complies with your presumably high standards of civilization) with forced diversity and a lack of certain types of discriminatory restrictive covenants (that the courts invariably strike down). It is indeed possible to have a cheap housing structure on a well and septic tank in a non-zoned rural area where you have enough acreage to buffer yourself from whatever. But then your housing isn't cheap anymore if you properly aggregate and attach the other costs involved with such an enterprise.
  47. @Justvisiting
    Since these "minority leaders" are believers in a cargo cult, they don't understand infrastructure like city water and city water treatment.

    All Whitopias in exurbia or rural areas need to do is plead poverty and fail to fund the infrastructure = no multifamily housing.

    The states and the feds are broke and can't afford to extend the infrastructure.

    Game, set, match.

    No infrastructure, no problem. Newbies can just poop in the street or in the grocery store.

  48. @Rusty nail

    400 unit apartment complex
     
    AAARGH! 400 apartments? Rat nest?

    Or, as multi-family Section 8 is known in Denco, bastard ranches.

  49. A great big ” Merry FUCK YOU ” to this shit faced crooked smile sob samirah. Join the shit-list from your shit-hole section of Virginia.

    • Replies: @Irish Savant
    His parents were from Palestine and given refuge in America. This is how he repays the favour.
  50. @Alexander Turok
    My views are syncretic. I'd welcome higher taxes on the wealthy, but want to deregulate housing. It's not due to any head-in-the-cloud ideology: I just want cheap housing for myself.

    You can’t have cheap housing (that complies with your presumably high standards of civilization) with forced diversity and a lack of certain types of discriminatory restrictive covenants (that the courts invariably strike down). It is indeed possible to have a cheap housing structure on a well and septic tank in a non-zoned rural area where you have enough acreage to buffer yourself from whatever. But then your housing isn’t cheap anymore if you properly aggregate and attach the other costs involved with such an enterprise.

  51. Because it’s bad for the environment. In their minds I guess there’s nothing bad for the environment about importing a million legal immigrants yearly and who knows how many illegally. Nothing bad for the environment about having people piled in high rise apartments and increasing population density. And democrats say they want higher wages but fail to see how mass immigration drives wages down. NOT a coincidence. Are Americans really this stupid?

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
    Yes, they are.
  52. Old Virginia is making the case for secession. Drive the whites out of the City. Then drive them out of the Burbs. What lies beyond the Burbs? Red America.

    Visit Red America sometime. You will find we are not living in mud huts. We have hospitals and schools and super markets. You will know you have arrived when you see white kids working in fast food kitchens. Freedom of speech and freedom of association could be foundational guarantees of a new Republic formed from a coalition of Counties across State lines. No Cities needed. There is plenty of room for one or several Red Americas. They would look like gerrymandered voting districts. Actual freedom as opposed to a matrix of special privilege might prove attractive to some non white Americans. You don’t have to be white to be a citizen of Red America. You just have to agree that it’s okay to be white. Or black or queer or whatever.

    White America is gone. It really was a free country. For white men. A new Republic could be free for everybody. Not equal. If you think everybody must be equal in the sense that two plus two is equal to four you will not be happy anywhere. Especially not in Red America where recognition of objective reality is again valued as essential to the well being of humans.

    Let them have the cities.
    Stop the hate. Separate.

    • Replies: @SafeNow
    Separating into Red America escape places 10 to 15 miles from a major highway would, I fear, provide old-America refuge for only a generation or so. That is because the unraveling of Blue America into dysfunction, frustration, humiliation, violence, and Idiocracy will be profound. (As a Californian, I have seen more than a glimpse of this.) At that point, Blue America will want to move to these Red America safe havens. The local governments would try to prevent this. The Blues would simply find a Blue Federal Judge to enjoin the preventive efforts. Moving still farther out would be untenable for most Reds — no schools, no hospital, no society.
    , @David Erickson
    Two places that have very good ideas for how to do this. John Mark (search on YouTube) has excellent ideas. Also
    https://redstatesecession.org/
    , @Irish Savant
    'Let them have the cities.' You're missing the point. Without Whites they'll screw up the cities. When they're sufficiently screwed they'll come for the Whitopias.
  53. @Alexander Turok

    is that when “Mr Investment Property” decides he will make out like a bandit on “affordable housing” next door to you
     
    This is a common sophomoric argument, to act like capitalists profiting off of this particular sector is immoral. Do you support a capitalist economy? Or even a mixed economy? Then you support capitalists making profits. If it's fine in other sectors, I don't see why it shouldn't be fine in this one too. I'm not supporting the subsidized affordable housing that the Democrats want, I want a free market in housing.

    the only difference to an artillery range, is the caliber of the weapons fire that predominates.
     
    Sure. But zoning laws don't solve the problem, they just move it. Notably, they allow the wealthy to promote these kind of soft-on-crime policies with the knowledge that it will be someone else who has to live next to all the convicts they release out of humanitarian scruples.

    Do you support a capitalist economy?

    No, boomer.

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
    How am I the boomer here? It's the boomers who put in place these dumb zoning policies. Many are paying the price as their 20-something kids can't afford to move out due to the high housing costs caused by those policies.
  54. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    By today’s ‘standards’ Mayor Orville Hubbard, is now considered a racist. He was the mayor of Dearborn Michigan during the 50’s and 60’s. Dearborn was once what is called a sundown town. The motto of the city was “ if everyone would sweep his own doorstep, the whole world would be clean “. If he were to see it today, it would break his heart. Dearborn was beautiful and had excellent schools and businesses. It is now referred to as Dearbornistan. You can ruin anything with enough social engineering. Sad to see most signs in Arabic. Not a lot of assimilation. Foreigners living in America. Living as foreigners.

    • Replies: @Detroit Refugee
    Mayor Hubbard’s statue came down not long ago. Sadly
  55. The real next move is trying to find ways to acquire the tax money of the white burbs. The non-whites would like to get their hands on all that white money. Absorbing some burbs and their money would be their dream.

  56. @Robert Blake
    This is also on the table in California:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-15/california-wants-ban-racist-single-family-zoning-correct-historical-wrongs

    The state of California commissioned a study re: SB50, and found that "upzoning" actually made housing less affordable, since it makes any given plot of land more valuable (and hence more costly).

    Our “republican” governor is pushing this in the New Hampshire legislature now too;

    https://granitegrok.com/blog/2019/12/virginia-dems-want-to-override-local-zoning-control-for-multi-family-housing-like-nh

    He is also on of the governors that just asked DC for more refugees;

    https://www.fosters.com/news/20191127/gov-sununu-consents-to-refugee-resettlement-after-trumps-order

    Hmmm, how coincidental is that?

  57. If Virginia is anything like NJ or Seattle, clamping down on single family homes is going to affect brown people (South Asians) more than whites.

    Whites rarely have kids these days, so they don’t need the yard. Pajeets, on the other hand, pop out kids like breeding sows, and they love nothing more than to turn peaceful suburbs into slightly cleaner versions of India.

    It’s like the left refuses to acknowledge the existence of Asian people and their interests.

  58. @Anonymous
    In my upper middle class subdivision, there is one house with black residents, one house with Hispanic residents, and one house with refugee Muslims. I guarantee that you could do one drive through and pick out those three houses. No if, ands, or buts. Amazing how beautiful homes can be turned into rather dubious places in a short amount of time. Good luck, Virginia. You were once a beautiful state.

    “In my upper middle class subdivision, there is one house with black residents, one house with Hispanic residents, and one house with refugee Muslims. I guarantee that you could do one drive through and pick out those three houses”

    In my middle class subdivision, which was largely white and east asian until a few years ago, the few hispanic houses are immaculate. They appear to live 12 to a house, but they take care of the exterior like no one else.

    We are getting a major mosque, the first one in miles and miles. The people complaining on NextDoor.com are Chinese, Koreans and Hispanics. I guess the whites don’t feel comfortable enough to voice concerns, but the ‘minorities’ are none too happy with a massive mosque going up in the area.

    Hispanics have not been a problem at all, as far as I know. There are even a couple of professional black families in the subdivision who are rock solid, despite having teenage males. It’s the incoming pajeets and muslims that are going to really cause the area to go downhill. We see more and more hijabs in the local supermarket, which is a sign that it is time to move.

    • Replies: @James Scott
    40% of the people in US prisons are Mestizo's, Hispanics come from Spain not South America and Mexico. Mestizo's pay no taxes as a group. For every dollar a Meztizo pays in taxes another Mestizo takes almost two in services. Mestizo's bring nothing to the table but an appetite and they have ruined Southern California.
  59. This is like the abortion issue. You see these fat, slovenly women yelling about their “rights” and instinct tells you to oppose them. But then you look at the demographics and realize that it’s actually to our benefit. Democrats are removing themselves from the gene pool through abortion.

    Ignore your sense of distaste for the advocates of this for a second. Look at this map:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_fertility_rate#/media/File:Map_of_U.S._states_by_total_fertility_rate_(TFR)_in_2013.svg

    Look at that big streak of dark purple from Texas up to North Dakota? That’s where Americans are (or were, the data was in 2013) having more than 2.0 children. Steve Sailer talks a lot about this: affordable family formation, the areas of the country where housing is cheap and white people can form families.

  60. @Alexander Turok
    I'm not demonizing anyone. I'm the one advocating for a free market in housing. It's not about going after the rich homeowner. It's about not allowing him to tell everyone us what they are allowed to do with their property.

    That’s not how it sounded.

    Zoning exists to disallow people from opening businesses I their homes, turn one family homes into multi-family dwellings, etc.

    Keeping single family homes from turning into two families keeps nearly all the problems at bay. Rental property, especially in volume, attracts a lower class that damages the property value and injects an element into the schools and community that never gets resolved.

    Everyone knows this.

    When common sense things start getting reversed, it’s a clear indicator that social experiments are being pursued rather than the betterment of the community.

  61. Dallas in the 1960s was one of the most completely segregated cities in the world. As in other cities court ordered busing created White Flight, but over the decades, as the white neighborhoods have aged, they have naturally acquired a great deal of low and middle income multi family housing and become racially and economically integrated. Meanwhile, the explosion of high end housing northward has led to neighborhoods that are a mix of White, Latino, and Black Christians, Hindus from India, and Moslems from Pakistan and Africa. My own middle middle class exurb of ranchettes has the same mix. The most segregated neighborhoods in Dallas are on the traditionally black south side, extensive ghettos but also new large all black middle and upper middle class neighborhoods, the Black Middle Class is much bigger than represented. I’m one of the few white contractors serving these areas, I have a fine egalitarian sense of humor when I’m working in the front yard of a black man’s house on a weekday morn and all the neighbors are pulling out of their drives in Mercedes and Lexus SUVs with me remembering the gimpy old black men sweeping our walks and the black maids in white uniforms walking from the bus stops to clean our houses.

  62. @Augustus
    "Yeah, hate the 'rich.' It's a Marxist mandate, isn't it?"

    You're right, Jim. The left can never understand history. World history doesn't teach a class struggle between rich (successful) and poor. It shows a constant struggle between those who desire success and the limiting, overbearing, pirate class of government bureaucrats, who think they are entitled to a share of everything the working people create or possess. The Marxists never understand or interpret history correctly because they are busily interpreting or rewriting it to fit their flawed philosophy. It's a battle for more freedom from government versus the pirate class of would be rulers who want more control. We broke from Europe for more freedom. That freedom meant a nation with more success benefitting all people across all classes with faster economic growth than any nation in history. Now our government bureaucrats (professors) teach we need more government control. I think of Obama telling people, "You didn't create that." Their greed makes them nothing but parasites.

    The Marxists never understand or interpret history correctly

    They never have to because there are no consequences for their failures.

    We coddle our known enemies in this country as nowhere else. We make it easy for them the attain and hold public office. No tar or feathers when they deliberately malign us. No nooses outside their residences as they are dragged from their beds to justice. Not even a fine or a loss of congressional benefits.

    We need to recognize the enemies of our way of life. We need to call them out for what they are. We need to do the same to the leftist press/media as they try to focus us on non-issues and ignore the larger picture.

  63. @Alexander Turok

    is that when “Mr Investment Property” decides he will make out like a bandit on “affordable housing” next door to you
     
    This is a common sophomoric argument, to act like capitalists profiting off of this particular sector is immoral. Do you support a capitalist economy? Or even a mixed economy? Then you support capitalists making profits. If it's fine in other sectors, I don't see why it shouldn't be fine in this one too. I'm not supporting the subsidized affordable housing that the Democrats want, I want a free market in housing.

    the only difference to an artillery range, is the caliber of the weapons fire that predominates.
     
    Sure. But zoning laws don't solve the problem, they just move it. Notably, they allow the wealthy to promote these kind of soft-on-crime policies with the knowledge that it will be someone else who has to live next to all the convicts they release out of humanitarian scruples.

    Do you support a capitalist economy

    You are confusing capitalism with anarchism. There is nothing incompatible between capitalism and zoning laws. Capitalism refers to private ownership of capital; whereas you are confusing it with the absence of regulations.

    I might as well say, if you oppose hit-men, you are opposing “capitalism”.

    In any event, the making of profits is orthogonal to the rules of the market. Even if the market rules say “You must not open for business on Sunday” (say, as with banks), does this mean banking is not capitalistic? lol.

  64. @Alexander Turok

    is that when “Mr Investment Property” decides he will make out like a bandit on “affordable housing” next door to you
     
    This is a common sophomoric argument, to act like capitalists profiting off of this particular sector is immoral. Do you support a capitalist economy? Or even a mixed economy? Then you support capitalists making profits. If it's fine in other sectors, I don't see why it shouldn't be fine in this one too. I'm not supporting the subsidized affordable housing that the Democrats want, I want a free market in housing.

    the only difference to an artillery range, is the caliber of the weapons fire that predominates.
     
    Sure. But zoning laws don't solve the problem, they just move it. Notably, they allow the wealthy to promote these kind of soft-on-crime policies with the knowledge that it will be someone else who has to live next to all the convicts they release out of humanitarian scruples.

    Do you support a capitalist economy?

    Cannibal Capitalism? Because that’s what this is discussing. Wealth re-distribution via one of the greatest stores of wealth in the Eastern US.
    Progressivive Capitalism where taxes, regulations, fees and fines, along with zoning, school bussing, and diversity ruin communities.

    Or even a mixed economy?

    Mixed Economy?
    Just another Progressive hoax.

    You see, you have both sides of the same flawed argument. We pay Union made prices for slave-wage products, then complain about the “economy”.
    We bring in H1Bs not because we don’t have STEM grads, but because a STEM grad isn’t going to work for H1B wages when they can make more doing something else.

    This is ALL about taking from whitey.

  65. @Hippopotamusdrome


    Do you support a capitalist economy?

     

    No, boomer.

    How am I the boomer here? It’s the boomers who put in place these dumb zoning policies. Many are paying the price as their 20-something kids can’t afford to move out due to the high housing costs caused by those policies.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    To paraphrase a famous song “We Didn’t Start the Fire” by Billy Joel, it’s not every “boomer” that was the problem. In fact, many of us boomers struggled through life, but finally “made it”.

    I am a “boomer” who has worked all my life, starting at 12 years of age. Being one of 8 children, life for my parents and us was not easy, but we all persevered in our own ways and were successful in life.

    Nobody ever gave me anything. What I did was gained “with the sweat of my brow”.
    If there is any “blame” to be placed, it must be placed at those of previous generations, especially the “greatest generation”, that formulated and passed many of the destructive laws and customs that we live under to this day.

    From the enactment of the federal income tax and the creation of the unconstitutional Federal Reserve cartel, previous generations have a lot to answer for.

    The “greatest generation” was duped into fighting a war for European (jewish) interests, destroying much of European culture as a result, and solidifying international jewish power by NOT going after the REAL enemies of human culture, legitimizing the state of Israel, thereby consolidating jewish zionist power, and assuring the jewish zionist hold on the world political process.

    Let’s not forget that the “greatest generation” pushed for the terribly misguided “civil-rights” acts, statutes and laws, which effectively disenfranchised whites (but only whites) with the abolition of “freedom of association” (but only for whites).

    In fact, federal troops were used against law-abiding whites in violation of “posse commitatus” laws which prohibit utilizing the military for domestic law enforcement purposes.

    Whites have been effectively neutered since these laws were passed. Forced integration of schools (cross-district busing and other schemes) was enforced by leftist judges who insisted that blacks needed to sit next to whites in order to learn.

    The “elephant in the room” to which blame can be squarely put on the “greatest generation” was the “Hart-Celler Immigration Act of 1965. This act successfully cut off the immigration for white Europeans while opening up the floodgates for third-world brown and black immigration.

    Both major political parties were responsible for this travesty. Democrats saw increasing third-world immigration as a source for votes while the Republicans saw it as a source of cheap labor.

    The wages of native-born Americans have not increased in real terms since 1970, that point in time being seen as the “high-water mark” in relation to wage growth. There has not been any “wage growth” since then.

    All of the above can be attributed to those of the “greatest generation”…NOT us "boomers".

    To those of the greatest generation (who are still alive), thanks for NOTHING…
  66. @Anonymous
    In my upper middle class subdivision, there is one house with black residents, one house with Hispanic residents, and one house with refugee Muslims. I guarantee that you could do one drive through and pick out those three houses. No if, ands, or buts. Amazing how beautiful homes can be turned into rather dubious places in a short amount of time. Good luck, Virginia. You were once a beautiful state.

    Same thing here in Maryland…They have been pushing the sec 8 agenda for years now…..If you live in a neighborhood where the houses rent for $2500 a month they are forcing the renter to accept a sec 8 voucher…So John q taxpayer is paying $2500 a month while the sec 8 tenants are paying $65.00 a month and destroying the neighborhood…NOBODY wants to live around ignorance and chaos and you can DEFINITELY see the difference in who lives in which house

    • Agree: brandybranch
  67. @Flasher
    Trying to control us. Lol

    Oh please. You watch TV, don’t you? You’re already controlled. You’ll accept whatever outrage comes along.

  68. @WorkingClass
    Old Virginia is making the case for secession. Drive the whites out of the City. Then drive them out of the Burbs. What lies beyond the Burbs? Red America.

    Visit Red America sometime. You will find we are not living in mud huts. We have hospitals and schools and super markets. You will know you have arrived when you see white kids working in fast food kitchens. Freedom of speech and freedom of association could be foundational guarantees of a new Republic formed from a coalition of Counties across State lines. No Cities needed. There is plenty of room for one or several Red Americas. They would look like gerrymandered voting districts. Actual freedom as opposed to a matrix of special privilege might prove attractive to some non white Americans. You don't have to be white to be a citizen of Red America. You just have to agree that it's okay to be white. Or black or queer or whatever.

    White America is gone. It really was a free country. For white men. A new Republic could be free for everybody. Not equal. If you think everybody must be equal in the sense that two plus two is equal to four you will not be happy anywhere. Especially not in Red America where recognition of objective reality is again valued as essential to the well being of humans.

    Let them have the cities.
    Stop the hate. Separate.

    Separating into Red America escape places 10 to 15 miles from a major highway would, I fear, provide old-America refuge for only a generation or so. That is because the unraveling of Blue America into dysfunction, frustration, humiliation, violence, and Idiocracy will be profound. (As a Californian, I have seen more than a glimpse of this.) At that point, Blue America will want to move to these Red America safe havens. The local governments would try to prevent this. The Blues would simply find a Blue Federal Judge to enjoin the preventive efforts. Moving still farther out would be untenable for most Reds — no schools, no hospital, no society.

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
    The Blues would simply find a Blue Federal Judge to enjoin the preventive efforts.

    I'm talking about secession. Your Blue Federal Judge has no jurisdiction in Red America. Your Blue refugees will be admitted or turned back according to Red American immigration policy.

    Secession must wait for post imperial America. It is impossible now. Keep your powder dry Safe Now.
  69. @Piglet
    I live in a Northern Virginia suburb. The traffic is terrible but we live in a very nice neighborhood. We keep our house and yard in good shape and most of our neighbors do the same. (We have one, across the street, a Bernie Sanders supporter whose house looks like a slum in duh hood, but he's an exception. A few years back the parents were letting their high school daughter have her dindu boyfriend spend the night in her bedroom.)

    The area is very safe. We can go for walks around the neighborhood or on the paved trails in the nearby forests and not have to worry about an attack by a pack of Bantus.

    We worked for many years to make a nice home for ourselves, improved on the house quite a bit, and paid it off early. Now the newly-empowered Dems, hoping to have us fully disarmed soon, want to bring duh hood to our doorstep.

    Already dindu crime has been nibbling at the edges of the neighborhood in the form of store robberies. This morning there was a robbery just west of Fairfax County in Manassas (Prince William County). See the article below. Amazingly, the website (WTOP.com) noted the race of the perps instead of just calling them "teens" or "youths."

    I guess I should have seen this coming. Dems have screwed up countless neighborhoods and it was inevitable that they would eventually come for this one too. Already I had told my wife that, if this area starts to go dindu, we'll need to leave before it's too late. That day has now drawn closer.

    One shot, one killed in armed robbery at Manassas Denny’s
    Zeke Hartner
    December 26, 2019, 7:10 AM

    One customer was killed and another was shot during an armed robbery at a Denny’s in Manassas, Virginia, in the early morning hours Thursday.

    Prince William County police said around 2:30 a.m. on Dec. 26, two armed men walked into the Denny’s at 8201 Sudley Road and attempted to rob customers and employees.

    During the robbery, two male customers were shot. The suspects took off from the restaurant shortly after.

    Officers arrived and provided the wounded men first-aid until medical personnel arrived. They were then taken to a nearby hospital. One of the victims, Yusuf Ozgur, 56, later died. The other victim, only identified as a 34-year-old man from Rixeyville, remains hospitalized.

    Police said that the two victims did not know each other, and they do not believe they were targeted by the suspects.

    Police dogs searched for the two armed robbers, but were unable to find them. Police described the suspects as black males in their late teens to early 20s, between 5’10” and 6′ and weighing approximately 180 lbs. They were wearing all black or dark clothing.

    Homicide detectives are actively investigating this incident.

    Police are asking anyone with information to contact the Prince William police Department tip line at (703)-792-7000.

    You need to get out– don’t wait. My Father and us experienced this in the 60s– all white Irish, Italian Jewish neighborhood. My Father had worked double Factory shifts and paid off the 2 bedroom house– like all in the neighborhood the yard etc. were kept immaculate. Overnight the Jews sold out without a for sale sign to “Africans”– how they pulled this off…but they did….

    My Father had no experience with black people (Jews either unfortunately for him) as in Ireland at that time they didn’t exist (now a good part of Somalia has been moved there due to a Jewish Government Official–true fact, look it up). Soon we all did though, have “experience” with them — bad experience…– the neighborhood became unlivable and nasty–you had to be prepared to maybe be murdered or be in a fight for your life at any moment with robberies and murder, things unheard of before, now common– someone butchered a pig on their front yard in what had been an immaculately kept neighborhood– Martians might just have well landed for what was going on, people were quite unprepared for it….

    My Father and the others discovered after the sale by the Jew “neighbors” it was basically very hard to sell (the Jews no doubt got a good laugh at that one, they obviously knew they were screwing the non-Jew “neighbors”…) at anything other than a loss and get your money out. Finally my Father sold it — losing his shirt, as they say, dying working in that crappy Factory to buy a house he had to give away because to stay you might be burned alive in it or else wise murdered — at the Closing the Africans didn’t show up with the down payment as agreed — he had to pay it for them as it was time to get out as some other Africans threatened murder as to my Mother who was working as a nurse at the hospital as she tried to enter the Hospital building passing thru them, this was the new “reality”….

    It won’t get better for you or turn around–Virginia is clearly done on its way to be another 3rd World cesspool like so much of the USA now, DC Dems moved in to VA to get away from what they created in DC etc. same as the Cali migrants fleeing the wreckage there by the Dems there but bringing their “disease” of Leftism with them to destroy where they flee to be it Colorado or Texas or wherever they land….– the Dem scum politicians have taken over VA and they have declared war and declared the disarmament of the good citizens so the Leftists and their agents can destroy, rape and rob them, replay of the Russian Revolution in miniature for your edification and dissolution…. — get out and maybe don’t lose your shirt and become embittered as my Father did, from what you say though–may be too late already to get your $ out now that the robberies have started….–

    None of what actually occurred in these working Class Irish/Italian neighborhoods was ever recorded in the NYSlimes or the Mainslime Media– they just made up bs about “white flight” as if “whitey” was just a “Raycissss” fleeing the good Africans for no reason, and lies about Africans being “victimized” in these communities (like the NYC Commie Mayor’s wife claims, total bs….) — no mention of “whitey” losing his shirt to get out, fleeing for his life from the new “neighbors” — as there was no living in the newly created Lagos — suddenly a “diversified” community….The Mainslime Media has been the Enemy of the People for a very long time now–liars and Propagandists and owned/operated by the “neighbors” who sold out en masse without putting up a for sale sign, same tribe….

    • Agree: Augustus, Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @anarchyst
    The same thing contributed to the destruction of Detroit...

    I grew up in Detroit, and personally witnessed the destruction of a once-great city. There are a number of reasons for Detroit's decline that have never been explored or discussed.

    1. "Blockbusting" by greedy jew real estate agents. Real estate agents would send out postcards with the following: "A new family is moving into your neighborhood. If you want to sell your house, please call me at xxx-xxxx". A "new family" was a euphemism for black families, and was used to "encourage" whites to sell their homes. A law was passed in Detroit prohibiting the use of "sold" signs for real estate sales.

    2. HUD (Housing and Urban Development) speculators and jew real estate hustlers conspired to "buy up" and raze the best houses on every block, in certain sections of the city. Quite often, "shacks" were left standing while decent housing was purchased by HUD and razed. This was done purposely to depress property values, to make it easier for speculators to purchase properties at "bargain basement" prices.
    I realize that items 1 and 2 are at cross purposes, but they were a reality in 1960s Detroit.

    3. The 1967 riots did much to push whites out of Detroit. A little-known aspect of the Detroit riots was the application of spray-painted words on the exteriors of black-owned businesses. The words "soul brother" was spray-painted on businesses owned by blacks so that the "angels of death" (actually rioters) would spare them from destruction. Whole business districts around the city were destroyed, never to regain their former selves.

    4. The election of Coleman Alexander Young, Detroit's first black mayor, who was overtly racist to Detroit's white citizens while "getting along just fine" with the "movers and shakers" (big business people) of the day (as long as the campaign contributions kept coming in)....

    5. The abolition of the STRESS (Stop The Robberies, Enjoy Safe Streets) program. This anti-criminal program was put in by mayor Young's predecessor and was quite successful in "cleaning up the streets" of criminals. In this program, police officers would disguise themselves as vulnerable old people and walk through neighborhoods as "decoys". Predatory criminals would attempt to rob these elderly citizens and quite often, were dispatched to "the great hereafter". One of Young's campaign promises was the abolition of the STRESS program as too many of "his people" were being eliminated. Upon the election of Young, the program was disbanded.

    These are 5 reasons for this once-great city's demise.
    , @TKK
    One Jewish family orchestrated the ruin of the entire neighborhood. Wow. It's like they have supernatural powers!

    If your dad was too dumb or cowardly to pay closing costs he was not contracted to pay- he was destined to lose his shirt anyway. He was weak.

    The world is full of thugs. You have to nut up. I do it every day. Bring it.
  70. @Alexander Turok
    "Outlawing white suburbs" is one way to look at it, another is "pre-empting local laws which outlaw the building of duplexes." No landowner is going to be forced to build duplexes; with this law homeowners have the right to build them, or not build them, on land that they own. Indeed, this law doesn't go far enough. While it shouldn't be absolute as no one wants to wake up next to an artillery range, there should be a strong presumption in favor of the property owner having the right to build what he wants. If there was such a policy maybe housing wouldn't have increased in price so much over the last few decades. Maybe it would look more like food and furniture and electronics, where regulation was not coincidentally much less intense.

    As to the race issue, you're making the same mistake the Democrats make when they speak of whites as if they are all rich and blacks as if they are all poor. The Democrats don't care much for poor whites, but they are every bit as impacted by "exclusionary zoning" as are poor blacks. You ever read those stories about some depressed mining town in Appalachia and think "why don't they just leave?" One reason is because they don't have anywhere to go. Urban and suburban America won't allow more housing to be built.

    I live close to the center of my city, not because I'm a big fan of all that urban life crap. It's because my employer(and other potential employers) decided to put their offices at the core of the city and I don't want to spend two hours a day in traffic. I live in a tri-plex, and thank God my city allowed it to be built. If you're retired, if you rely on internet income, if you are in one of those industries where there's demand for it everywhere, you can afford to sing the praises of the exurb or even the rural area. But if you're like me where there are simply not any jobs available outside the urban core, it's a luxury you don't have.

    If you’re retired, if you rely on internet income, if you are in one of those industries where there’s demand for it everywhere, you can afford to sing the praises of the exurb or even the rural area.

    Then let’s build a country and economy on these principles, rather than rolling downhill to a Blade Runner future of a Hong Kong full of NAMs.

    • Agree: Alexander Turok
  71. @Alexander Turok

    Deshawn and Jose living in da burbs next to some 500k house. Just lol at the buffoonery in America.

     

    I don't see why this should be some kind of red line. Poor whites have had to either live in integrated neighborhoods or live in rural areas without jobs for decades now. Why shed tears for the rich suburbanites, many of whom are socially liberal virtue-signalers anyway?

    Also, I think you'll meet a couple people named Jose in South America.

    Poor whites have had to either live in integrated neighborhoods or live in rural areas without jobs for decades now.

    You should realize that these Virginia type regulations will not help Whites.

    It is like arguing that Section 8 housing vouchers helps poor Whites.

    • Replies: @Oldtradesman
    I disagree.

    Middle-class whites benefit from the de facto segregation enabled by inflated home prices and care not a bit for less fortunate whites surrounded by divershitty at the bottom of the hill. Most of them perceive themselves as non- or anti-racist and wouldn't piss on you if your ass was afire. In my opinion they need to have their consciouness raised.

    Whites as a group could benefit from statewide zoning laws like this. Let us see how creative those middle-class whites up on the hill are at opposing these laws and maintaining their publicly-stated egalitarian beliefs.

  72. checkmate

    • Replies: @Jim in Jersey
    Who were you playing with?
  73. @Alexander Turok

    found that “upzoning” actually made housing less affordable, since it makes any given plot of land more valuable (and hence more costly).
     
    That's the wrong measure. If you build two equally sized apartments on land which used to hold a home with the same square footage as one of those apartments, what's the obvious measure? It's the cost of each individual apartment, not the cost of the plot of land itself.

    If you build two equally sized apartments on land which used to hold a home with the same square footage as one of those apartments…

    And later on a four-plex is built; then an 8-plex; then…

    Kowloon Walled City was a famous result of no zoning. Do you advocate that for the future?

  74. A parting of ways is in order.

    • Agree: brandybranch
  75. That’s good news. Finally some regulation that makes sense. The abomination of “suburbs” should have been outlawed since 1945. It killed our cities and our “Main Streets” and villages, together with the social structure. It was an effective weapon for killing cultural and intellectual life and transforming most of us into sheep clamoring for the slaughterhouse.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    Suburbs did not begin with the GI Bill, although it certainly promoted them. Oldest suburb of Chicago was Hyde Park where I live; now of course a dense neighborhood in he city. It was founded in 1851, about when Chicago was starting to become a major city, due to the completion of the Illinois and Michigan canal in 1848. Oldest still separately incorporated and relatively low density community near Chicago, planned as a suburb, is Riverside, founded circa 1870-1880.
    , @Not Woke--Not Broke
    joe2.5--------------Oh HELL NO !!!!!---------Suburbs did not kill American cities such as Detroit,Baltimore,Philladelphia,etc.,etc. The Great Migration,aka The Black Undertow killed American cities.Absent the ability to exclude Negro dysfunction,you can't maintain the nice things that make cities livable.
    , @Old and grumpy
    Suburbs killed some of the best farm ground in the world. Cities.... not so much.
  76. Wow. To think that I grew up in Virginia as a kid back in the 70s. And to think that, if I were to go back in time and tell my 70s Viriginia neighbors that, one day in the not too distant future, there would be people named “Ibraheem Samirah” in the Viriginia legislature dedicated to their destruction, they’d think that I were insane.

    This story is just one more piece of verification that the Left simply wants to destroy anything associated with traditional America (white, Christian, heterosexual…). Nothing more than this. It is pure nihilism, a pure hatred for what this country was. The Left can no longer hide behind their childish slogans of “diversity is our greatest strength” and “coexist.” No….we know their game; we know that they want white, Christian, heterosexuals dead and gone. Their mask slipped once Trump was elected.

    This ends badly. Very badly. For millions of people.

    • Agree: brandybranch, Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @ben the layabout
    My story is much like yours. My dad complained ca. 1988, then retired in Page Co., that Rappahannock county would not allow zoning below five acres. And he was a staunch conservative, just part-time real estate investor. I think Rappahannock had the right idea. I wish them luck against the overlords.
  77. off topic

    20th elderly woman revealed to have been murdered by the ‘Kenyan Killer’ in Texas.
    So much for diversity being beautiful!

    The mainstream media is ignoring the story about the man who may be the most prolific serial killer in Texas history.

    I think you can guess why the national news is sweeping the story under the rug.

    https://fraudscrookscriminals.com/…/texas-20th-murder-of-a…/

    • Replies: @Augustus
    Loren, do you think at some point the newspaper owners might think it would be profitable to concentrate on reporting all black on white crime? Could their be a profitable niche market for such?

    Might the MSM eventually think it wise to concentrate on black on white crime to create even more violent crime, with the old saying, "If it bleeds, it leads."
  78. @athEIst
    bla bla blah multifamily housing bla bla bla higher density bla bla bla

    SLUMS


    coming to a community near you

    slums via Sec8, when those new apts don’t bring in the big bucks or the renters. in N. Tx, small cities/towns love the developers bucks and love to shove them next door to expensive single family subdivisions, often located the other side of a wooded creek, providing permanent access points for transients into those subdivisions via ‘nature trails’.

  79. @Alexander Turok

    Its population growth not discrimination that drives real estate prices.

     

    That's half of the equation,(demand) the other half is supply. This reform will increase the supply of housing, reducing the price.

    You are as ignorant as negro politicians. High land prices preclude building affordable housing because the builder is not an idiot named Turok.

    If you have a buildable lot in a desirable area you are to put the best house you can on it because that is how you make the most money which is the object of the game not put hoodrats next door to millionaires. Sheesh are you an adult?

    • Replies: @Biff

    If you have a buildable lot in a desirable area you are to put the best house you can on it because that is how you make the most money which is the object of the game not put hoodrats next door to millionaires. Sheesh are you an adult?
     
    A business man you are not. If you have a buildable lot, you want the best return per square foot on your investment - stacked apartments with hood rats sometimes does that.
  80. You’re never going to bring back racial covenants. which is why they’ve been unenforceable since 1948. And this proposed law is actually a good thing, because “White Flight” allows moderate/liberal whites to escape the consequences of their actions. They need to get the “diversity” in their suburbs that they cherish so much.

  81. @anat
    checkmate

    Who were you playing with?

  82. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:

    The most significant issue facing white people has nothing to do with minorities, illegal immigrants, or the parenthetical people. The greatest dilemma that whites face today is our inability to get along anymore. I have many theories about our extended family fallout, but I don’t enjoy typing that much.

    While out and about this Yule season I was repeatedly reminded by my fellow whites that I will always be judged, and subsequently treated very poorly, for my appearance and dress. I am educated and I enjoy a white collar job (self-employed), but our tribe have become so judgmental, biased, and brainwashed that the majority of those of us that I deal with in person are fearful, or at a minimum, wary of me. The irony is that if any one of these fellow, timid whites were to find his or herself in trouble, I would be the only one willing to step forward to knock a couple of black noggins around for them.

    Until we as a tribe remember how to move forward collectively, our present course toward annihilation will not stop.

    • Replies: @Annoying
    I try to never make ‘anyone’ feel , less than. Not sure why this is happening to you. Is it snobby people who only want to be around other snobby people? There are a few of those types running around lately. Ignore them, I do.
    , @Jim in Jersey
    Do you mean you think other whites are wary of you because you dress well and have a white collar job? I’m not sure I understand what you see as a dilemma.

    The white/blue collar line has never been adversarial as far as I recall. I’ve personally cross-crossed the line several times during my work years and have enjoyed both. I never felt ostracized by one or the other when I was working ‘the other side of the line’.

    Just off the cuff, I think white people are more independent and less likely to congregate without a particular need. I think once a need is felt or recognized that they will quickly bond for the cause and work toward its completion. After that, they would likely disband and return to their independent lifestyle.

    But I agree that many whites have become far too timid in public and will allow a lot of ‘monkey shines’ by those around them. I, on the other hand, have no problem with walking over to another table in a restaurant and cautioning they young patrons there against their profound use of vulgarity in public. Or at sporting events where drunken groups of teens ruin the event for others trying to watch.

    You’d be surprised how demure most become when your nose is about a foot from theirs and you maintain a low, civil tone.

    Most people of this type are simply looking for boundaries, not having found them in their upbringing. I supply that for them, so far without consequence. Maybe someday someone will call me out on it and we will have to see where it goes from there. Till then, these are what I consider to be ‘beta males’. The loud ones who misinterpret over the top antics for masculinity. As they mature, hopefully it will alleviate itself.

    I hope so at least! I’m getting to old to wrestle around with pack of ‘belligerent youths’!
    , @Just passing through

    Until we as a tribe remember how to move forward collectively, our present course toward annihilation will not stop.
     
    Whites do move forward collectively, just not in things that matter and instead things like boycotting the new Star Wars movie because the plot offends their sensibilities. LOL
    , @Oldtradesman

    I am educated and I enjoy a white collar job (self-employed), but our tribe have become so judgmental, biased, and brainwashed that the majority of those of us that I deal with in person are fearful, or at a minimum, wary of me.
     
    Sheep are intimidated by confident individuals.

    The irony is that if any one of these fellow, timid whites were to find his or herself in trouble, I would be the only one willing to step forward to knock a couple of black noggins around for them.
     
    Stockholm Syndrome describes these whites.

    Should you be forced to knock a couple of African noggins around, the white sheep will quickly disappear or condemn you when/if LE shows up. Contrast that behavior to how they would act when you are forced to knock white skulls together. It is completely different.


    Until we as a tribe remember how to move forward collectively, our present course toward annihilation will not stop.
     
    As long as middle-class whites are able to avoid the negative consequences of individualism, they will continue to do so. To the extent that they are capable of collective action, they will do so only when it is safe, e.g., the examples above.
    , @Annie Oakley
    I couldn't agree with you more.

    I'm a very friendly and open woman. I've lived in the south for 9 years. Haven't made one single female friend. Not one. The only people who talk to me are those working in retail and who are paid to be nice. There were a few that looked promising and mentioned getting together to hang out. Never followed through. In fact, all THREE of these women when they saw me in a public venue outside of their work, acted like they didn't know me. Not good for someone's self esteem, no matter how self assured they are. In essence, they were lying little weasels and only nice to me because they were on the clock.

    There was one woman I met who seemed sincere. Thought we could hang out occasionally and have coffee. Called her a few times, always went to voice mail, or some excuse why she couldn't get together with me. I finally gave up. It was always something. Her baby doll grand kids, her back was out, hubby won't give her any money for a soda pop, gotta take hubby to da doctor for heart medicine and blood sugar needles. Give me a F'ng break. (she's white but I found out a few days she has brown grand children so she's out).

    I have an extensive tax, public benefits and HR background. I'd have young people talk to me about their tax returns, and other financial issues. I've offered my help to do their taxes for free, instead of paying the large firms a huge sum of money to get it E-filed. How many of those young people called me? ZERO.

    My hubby made friends with three men. One is such rough shape physically, he can only get out a couple times of month. The other one just had a heart attack, so he's out and the other one is getting so old, I worry he's going to end up in an Alzheimers center. That's the pick we got.

    I lived in NYC, Los Angeles, Honolulu and South Florida. Had no problems meeting women friends, hanging out and doing things. Not here. I've been effectively shunned. I started to get a complex about it. Seriously. What is wrong with me? I'd see women in the stores with their pretty little white kids. Oh how cute your kids are, grand kids are etc...Many give me a weird look like I'm going to swoop in and take their babies to Mars or meekly say thank you and scuffle off.

    A years and a half ago I ventured back near the area where I grew up. Still pretty white and decent. Many of my classmates still live in that area and still like me. They're all white of course. I'm moving to that area next year. I cannot wait.

    I don't know if the shunning is a sign of the times or just this area. But I'm not hanging out another 9 years to find out.

    You'd mentioned that you would help these people if Shitavious tried to harm them. I would have before. But not now. I'd end up hurt or dead and wouldn't even get a thank you. I've told my husband, just walk away. Let them deal with the noggins, we just take care of each other.

    I'm no longer mad about it. But I understand where you're coming from. I'm of the firmest belief that many whites like to be used and lied to. If you're nice to them, they treat you like shit, ignore them and treat THEM like shit and they're all over you. It's like the GD dating game. One I no longer want to play.

    Sorry for my long rant...........your post hit a nerve with me and dug up some shitty memories.
  83. @Anonymous
    In my upper middle class subdivision, there is one house with black residents, one house with Hispanic residents, and one house with refugee Muslims. I guarantee that you could do one drive through and pick out those three houses. No if, ands, or buts. Amazing how beautiful homes can be turned into rather dubious places in a short amount of time. Good luck, Virginia. You were once a beautiful state.

    .. details please , on those 3 houses

    • Replies: @Annoying
    Nothing horrific. Unkempt lawns, garbage cans left out, junk cars parked in driveway and in street in front, broken blinds, high weeds in the summer. Just sloppy.
  84. @marxisthater23
    If this was to spread to more than a couple of states, just lol. Time to pack up and move to South America. White people are finished in this country. Deshawn and Jose living in da burbs next to some 500k house. Just lol at the buffoonery in America.

    I lived outside of Raleigh in a small town and it was exactly that. I lived in an incredible neighborhood 500k plus houses, tennis club, pool, etc.

    Just down the street was a shanty neighborhood of blacks.

    And that pattern repeated all over the area.

    Picking up a pizza on Friday night? You’d have to make your way through a group of micro aggressive slow walkers in the parking lot? Planning your kids birthday at the amusement place? Guaranteed to be 50% of you know who.

    The strangest thing too? Zero interaction between the two groups. Complete social segregation unless there was an eventual fight or friction.

    Even weirder, the other whites living in the nice neighborhoods just acted like it didn’t exist.

  85. @joe2.5
    That's good news. Finally some regulation that makes sense. The abomination of "suburbs" should have been outlawed since 1945. It killed our cities and our "Main Streets" and villages, together with the social structure. It was an effective weapon for killing cultural and intellectual life and transforming most of us into sheep clamoring for the slaughterhouse.

    Suburbs did not begin with the GI Bill, although it certainly promoted them. Oldest suburb of Chicago was Hyde Park where I live; now of course a dense neighborhood in he city. It was founded in 1851, about when Chicago was starting to become a major city, due to the completion of the Illinois and Michigan canal in 1848. Oldest still separately incorporated and relatively low density community near Chicago, planned as a suburb, is Riverside, founded circa 1870-1880.

    • Replies: @Emslander

    Suburbs did not begin with the GI Bill, although it certainly promoted them. Oldest suburb of Chicago was Hyde Park where I live; now of course a dense neighborhood in he city. It was founded in 1851, about when Chicago was starting to become a major city, due to the completion of the Illinois and Michigan canal in 1848. Oldest still separately incorporated and relatively low density community near Chicago, planned as a suburb, is Riverside, founded circa 1870-1880.
     
    There are other enclaves in Chicagoland and they stay what they were from the beginning by strictly enforced unwritten restrictive agreements among the property owners. I know of one on the south side that might as well be an army special forces unit dropped into the middle of Afghanistan. The only problem with it is that you have to turn in your humanness ID card to live there. What they're afraid of is enjoying life all around them, with the occasional tragic event. Better than having a life of sterile tragedy, man.
  86. @bomag

    Poor whites have had to either live in integrated neighborhoods or live in rural areas without jobs for decades now.
     
    You should realize that these Virginia type regulations will not help Whites.

    It is like arguing that Section 8 housing vouchers helps poor Whites.

    I disagree.

    Middle-class whites benefit from the de facto segregation enabled by inflated home prices and care not a bit for less fortunate whites surrounded by divershitty at the bottom of the hill. Most of them perceive themselves as non- or anti-racist and wouldn’t piss on you if your ass was afire. In my opinion they need to have their consciouness raised.

    Whites as a group could benefit from statewide zoning laws like this. Let us see how creative those middle-class whites up on the hill are at opposing these laws and maintaining their publicly-stated egalitarian beliefs.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    Idiotic. The “worse-is-better” attitude towards politics has been a proven failure since the New Deal.
  87. I actually agree with Shelley vs Kramer. With court enforcement of restrictive covenants, you put the government in charge of defining who is black, Mexican, and so forth. Chicago had a very effective system of voluntary red-lining by real estate agents. It wasn’t enforced by the courts, but it was widely-adhered to by real estate brokers, resulting in homogeneous neighborhoods. The practice was ended by harsh Chicago city ordinances.

    I think it’s more effective to focus on legal strategies where government gets out of the way of voluntary free association. In the case of Virginia, Virginia was the original fount of freedom and benign federalism before and after the Revolutionary War. The Virginia Constitution contained guarantees of individual liberties that the federal government could only lust after. Virginia also voluntarily split itself into multiple states, on the theory that the most effective unit of government was limited in size.

    Perhaps its time for another Virginia split.cc

  88. @getaclue
    You need to get out-- don't wait. My Father and us experienced this in the 60s-- all white Irish, Italian Jewish neighborhood. My Father had worked double Factory shifts and paid off the 2 bedroom house-- like all in the neighborhood the yard etc. were kept immaculate. Overnight the Jews sold out without a for sale sign to "Africans"-- how they pulled this off...but they did....

    My Father had no experience with black people (Jews either unfortunately for him) as in Ireland at that time they didn't exist (now a good part of Somalia has been moved there due to a Jewish Government Official--true fact, look it up). Soon we all did though, have "experience" with them -- bad experience...-- the neighborhood became unlivable and nasty--you had to be prepared to maybe be murdered or be in a fight for your life at any moment with robberies and murder, things unheard of before, now common-- someone butchered a pig on their front yard in what had been an immaculately kept neighborhood-- Martians might just have well landed for what was going on, people were quite unprepared for it....

    My Father and the others discovered after the sale by the Jew "neighbors" it was basically very hard to sell (the Jews no doubt got a good laugh at that one, they obviously knew they were screwing the non-Jew "neighbors"...) at anything other than a loss and get your money out. Finally my Father sold it -- losing his shirt, as they say, dying working in that crappy Factory to buy a house he had to give away because to stay you might be burned alive in it or else wise murdered -- at the Closing the Africans didn't show up with the down payment as agreed -- he had to pay it for them as it was time to get out as some other Africans threatened murder as to my Mother who was working as a nurse at the hospital as she tried to enter the Hospital building passing thru them, this was the new "reality"....

    It won't get better for you or turn around--Virginia is clearly done on its way to be another 3rd World cesspool like so much of the USA now, DC Dems moved in to VA to get away from what they created in DC etc. same as the Cali migrants fleeing the wreckage there by the Dems there but bringing their "disease" of Leftism with them to destroy where they flee to be it Colorado or Texas or wherever they land....-- the Dem scum politicians have taken over VA and they have declared war and declared the disarmament of the good citizens so the Leftists and their agents can destroy, rape and rob them, replay of the Russian Revolution in miniature for your edification and dissolution.... -- get out and maybe don't lose your shirt and become embittered as my Father did, from what you say though--may be too late already to get your $ out now that the robberies have started....--

    None of what actually occurred in these working Class Irish/Italian neighborhoods was ever recorded in the NYSlimes or the Mainslime Media-- they just made up bs about "white flight" as if "whitey" was just a "Raycissss" fleeing the good Africans for no reason, and lies about Africans being "victimized" in these communities (like the NYC Commie Mayor's wife claims, total bs....) -- no mention of "whitey" losing his shirt to get out, fleeing for his life from the new "neighbors" -- as there was no living in the newly created Lagos -- suddenly a "diversified" community....The Mainslime Media has been the Enemy of the People for a very long time now--liars and Propagandists and owned/operated by the "neighbors" who sold out en masse without putting up a for sale sign, same tribe....

    The same thing contributed to the destruction of Detroit…

    I grew up in Detroit, and personally witnessed the destruction of a once-great city. There are a number of reasons for Detroit’s decline that have never been explored or discussed.

    1. “Blockbusting” by greedy jew real estate agents. Real estate agents would send out postcards with the following: “A new family is moving into your neighborhood. If you want to sell your house, please call me at xxx-xxxx”. A “new family” was a euphemism for black families, and was used to “encourage” whites to sell their homes. A law was passed in Detroit prohibiting the use of “sold” signs for real estate sales.

    2. HUD (Housing and Urban Development) speculators and jew real estate hustlers conspired to “buy up” and raze the best houses on every block, in certain sections of the city. Quite often, “shacks” were left standing while decent housing was purchased by HUD and razed. This was done purposely to depress property values, to make it easier for speculators to purchase properties at “bargain basement” prices.
    I realize that items 1 and 2 are at cross purposes, but they were a reality in 1960s Detroit.

    3. The 1967 riots did much to push whites out of Detroit. A little-known aspect of the Detroit riots was the application of spray-painted words on the exteriors of black-owned businesses. The words “soul brother” was spray-painted on businesses owned by blacks so that the “angels of death” (actually rioters) would spare them from destruction. Whole business districts around the city were destroyed, never to regain their former selves.

    4. The election of Coleman Alexander Young, Detroit’s first black mayor, who was overtly racist to Detroit’s white citizens while “getting along just fine” with the “movers and shakers” (big business people) of the day (as long as the campaign contributions kept coming in)….

    5. The abolition of the STRESS (Stop The Robberies, Enjoy Safe Streets) program. This anti-criminal program was put in by mayor Young’s predecessor and was quite successful in “cleaning up the streets” of criminals. In this program, police officers would disguise themselves as vulnerable old people and walk through neighborhoods as “decoys”. Predatory criminals would attempt to rob these elderly citizens and quite often, were dispatched to “the great hereafter”. One of Young’s campaign promises was the abolition of the STRESS program as too many of “his people” were being eliminated. Upon the election of Young, the program was disbanded.

    These are 5 reasons for this once-great city’s demise.

  89. @Alexander Turok
    How am I the boomer here? It's the boomers who put in place these dumb zoning policies. Many are paying the price as their 20-something kids can't afford to move out due to the high housing costs caused by those policies.

    To paraphrase a famous song “We Didn’t Start the Fire” by Billy Joel, it’s not every “boomer” that was the problem. In fact, many of us boomers struggled through life, but finally “made it”.

    I am a “boomer” who has worked all my life, starting at 12 years of age. Being one of 8 children, life for my parents and us was not easy, but we all persevered in our own ways and were successful in life.

    Nobody ever gave me anything. What I did was gained “with the sweat of my brow”.
    If there is any “blame” to be placed, it must be placed at those of previous generations, especially the “greatest generation”, that formulated and passed many of the destructive laws and customs that we live under to this day.

    From the enactment of the federal income tax and the creation of the unconstitutional Federal Reserve cartel, previous generations have a lot to answer for.

    The “greatest generation” was duped into fighting a war for European (jewish) interests, destroying much of European culture as a result, and solidifying international jewish power by NOT going after the REAL enemies of human culture, legitimizing the state of Israel, thereby consolidating jewish zionist power, and assuring the jewish zionist hold on the world political process.

    Let’s not forget that the “greatest generation” pushed for the terribly misguided “civil-rights” acts, statutes and laws, which effectively disenfranchised whites (but only whites) with the abolition of “freedom of association” (but only for whites).

    In fact, federal troops were used against law-abiding whites in violation of “posse commitatus” laws which prohibit utilizing the military for domestic law enforcement purposes.

    Whites have been effectively neutered since these laws were passed. Forced integration of schools (cross-district busing and other schemes) was enforced by leftist judges who insisted that blacks needed to sit next to whites in order to learn.

    The “elephant in the room” to which blame can be squarely put on the “greatest generation” was the “Hart-Celler Immigration Act of 1965. This act successfully cut off the immigration for white Europeans while opening up the floodgates for third-world brown and black immigration.

    Both major political parties were responsible for this travesty. Democrats saw increasing third-world immigration as a source for votes while the Republicans saw it as a source of cheap labor.

    The wages of native-born Americans have not increased in real terms since 1970, that point in time being seen as the “high-water mark” in relation to wage growth. There has not been any “wage growth” since then.

    All of the above can be attributed to those of the “greatest generation”…NOT us “boomers”.

    To those of the greatest generation (who are still alive), thanks for NOTHING…

    • Agree: Female in FL, Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @anaccount
    Unlike others in my generation I do not throw the term 'boomer' around nor do I find this generation anymore responsible for our plight than others. This type of thinking does not move us forward. Whites need to learn to love and respect other whites (despite faults) if we are ever to move forward as a group and fight our real enemies.
    , @Skeptikal
    I am surprised at how easily the word "boomer"' is used as an insult.

    Baby boomers---the first cohort of which was 1946--- did not create the land-use and other cultural structures of the 1950s, which was the "golden age" for the American middle class. The age when the "American dream" actually was attainable for many. The baby boomers were their children. Many of the latter rebelled against the crass materialism and emptiness of fifties suburban culture as glorified in TV sitcoms.

    IMO the biggest mistake a lot of baby boomers made was that once they did "grow up" and start to take care of themselves economically, they did not think very creatively, nor did they plan for the future of their children's housing requirements. They should have purchased property that they could subdivide into lots for their children, and also build in-law apartments etc. (a form of multi-family dwelling allowed by most single-family zoning) so that (1) their children would have a place to live, permanently if necessary, and (2) they would have either a place to live themselves in their old age, or a place for a caregiver to live.
    , @Gene Su
    I disagree with you, Paul Kersey, and many of the commenters on this blog in one respect. The United States of America did not dissolve "freedom of association" during the black Civil Rights movement that followed World War II that was supposedly institigated by leftists and Jews. The United States dissolved "freedom of association" much earlier... when it began to institute public schools with compulsary attendance. This occured in the mid 19th century, starting in the states heavily controlled by "Yankees", before spreading to the rest of the nation.

    There is no place in the (federal) Constitution that states that a common citizen is obligated to send his or her child to a government run institution for 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, 40 weeks a year.

    There is no place in the (federal) Constitution that states that the government has the obligation or privalage to create institutions that will warehouse all of the minors in a neighborhood for 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, 40 weeks a year.

    I have no control over who my child mixes with in that institution. How is that not detrimental to "freedom of association"?

    It has been argued by many on the Unz review that the black Civil Rights movement was heavily supported by Jews. It can be argued on principle that the black Civil Rights movement destroyed "freedom of association" in white American, Christian society. But America violated that right of association for many of these Jews when they forced Jewish children to attend public schools full of white "goyim" where they will be bullied and spate on themselves.

    When I attended public schools as an Asian boy, I remember being heavily bullied and spate on by white punks. Does that mean that I am going to hold a grudge against whitey all my life? Of course not! Does that mean that I will argue that whites are more violent than blacks? I might be fooled into believing so... because I have spent all my life and white neightborhoods, not black ones. The Jews and other ethnics who supported the Civil Rights movement were not deceivers... They were deceived themselves.

    Before you demand "freedom of association" for yourself, grant it first to others.
    , @anonymous
    Thanks, anarchyst, for a great reply. Yes, much of the destruction was wrought by the so-called Greatest Generation and, particularly, by the following one, the Silent Generation. A lot of Wall Street criminals, far left activists, worst politicians were of the Silent Generation era. Just a few examples -
    Ted Kennedy, Ivan Boesky, Bernie Madoff, Jerry Rubin, Tom Hayden, Gloria Steinem, the post modernists like Derrida and Foucault. They helped infect society with the cancer that's spreading rapidly.
    , @Alden
    Thisboomer agrees. Everyone of the attorneys foundations like AJC ADL ACLU Carnegie Ford Rockefeller judges presidents. Senators Vice Presidents congress critters except about 5 blacks& women cease a greatest generation mostly WW2 vet born 1900–1930.

    Brown vs Topeka 1954 to Griggs vs Duke Power 1973 and civil rights act 64 non White immigration 65 Philadelphia Plan 67 affirmative action act 1968.

    Brown, the oldest boomers were 8 years ol, many not yet born. Affirmative action act 1968 oldest boomers were 22, guys in Vietnam gals working low level jobs or just finishing college.

    Griggs and Kaiser were just mopping up operations by an all White male Supreme Court.
    , @Man in FL
    Couldn't agree more!
  90. Outlaw white flight and the creation of white suburbs while also outlawing gun ownership- the perfect recipe for creating defenseless and helpless victims. Add to that the non prosecution of various crimes that dindu nuffins love to commit and all that does is put the predator/prey dynamic on steroids coupled with the parasite/host dynamic where dindu nuffins feed off of white communities. Affordable housing/Section 8 and all the other programs as well as the laws created to enforce them all have those goals in mind. It’s not about raising up the negro despite all the propaganda to that effect.

    Dindu nuffins are the biological weapons being used to destroy white communities by destroying the sense of community and social cohesion of whites. Isolate, dilute, disarm and destroy while rendering them defenseless against the onslaught. Now add into the mix a horde of 3rd worlders (since negroes alone lack the numbers to accomplish the goal) to really escalate the program- tens of millions of south of the border illegals as well as pajeet Indians and third world muslims and the toxic brew is complete.

    And they all celebrate the idea that whites will be a minority in the USA in the coming decades. It’s not about the “celebrate diversity” nonsense. It’s about taking over while laughing and chortling, “It’s OURS now!”

    • Agree: Augustus
  91. Regarding the “bad for the environment” aspect. A third world country typically has a carbon footprint 1/7 to 1/4 that of the US. So even if they have a significantly lower than average US income, an immigrant in the US will increase their carbon footprint at least a factor of 4. Ironically, those that are most concerned about climate change are also likely to support open borders.

    • Replies: @Just passing through
    The climate change agenda is more about wealth equalisation as opposed to stabilising the planet.

    For example they know coal makes a nation more competitive which is why they only really campaign against coal use on Western countries who don't even burn that much in the first place.

    You point about carbon footprint is also true, I remember reading the average American has a per capita pollution 100x more than an African and far above that of Asians, even for Asians most of the pollution is from demand from Westerners (lax environmental standards were one of the reasons industries were shifted to the East, you don't need the latest green machinery to comply with EPA standards)
  92. @Love Street
    .. details please , on those 3 houses

    Nothing horrific. Unkempt lawns, garbage cans left out, junk cars parked in driveway and in street in front, broken blinds, high weeds in the summer. Just sloppy.

  93. @Anonymous
    The most significant issue facing white people has nothing to do with minorities, illegal immigrants, or the parenthetical people. The greatest dilemma that whites face today is our inability to get along anymore. I have many theories about our extended family fallout, but I don’t enjoy typing that much.

    While out and about this Yule season I was repeatedly reminded by my fellow whites that I will always be judged, and subsequently treated very poorly, for my appearance and dress. I am educated and I enjoy a white collar job (self-employed), but our tribe have become so judgmental, biased, and brainwashed that the majority of those of us that I deal with in person are fearful, or at a minimum, wary of me. The irony is that if any one of these fellow, timid whites were to find his or herself in trouble, I would be the only one willing to step forward to knock a couple of black noggins around for them.

    Until we as a tribe remember how to move forward collectively, our present course toward annihilation will not stop.

    I try to never make ‘anyone’ feel , less than. Not sure why this is happening to you. Is it snobby people who only want to be around other snobby people? There are a few of those types running around lately. Ignore them, I do.

  94. Delegate Ibraheem Samirah said: zoning laws are “locking folks out of areas with better access to schools, jobs, transit, and other services and amenities.”

    It’s like asking someone to wipe their feet on the doormat. Don’t they deserve access to the cleaner carpet in the living room?

  95. @Dave453
    I cant think of a single thing to better open the eyes of a sleepy yt than an enemy outpost in the neighborhood.
    Litter, broken windows, loud horrible "music", fights, stolen cars, shootings and other sorts of mkyshines will be injected in every nice neighborhood. A few fence sitters will get their butt hurt and jump onto the right side.
    So many whites who love diversity have very little interaction, this will fix that.

    Dave 453———-Yes indeed. Nothing awakens that inner White “raciss” like actual exposure to 85 IQ Blacks.One of my little SJW coed cousins recently experienced an awakening in Columbia,S.C. An off campus snatch and grab in 5 Points. N#$#^%&&^*& broke my phone.N*&*%^^$ broke my F*&%^$&&^* phone. ———and a new race realist is born

    • Replies: @Spike
    Hopefully that experience influences how she votes. At least she didn't cuck out and blame institutional racism.
  96. I am not sure if allowing duplexes versus single family housing is going to do as much to impact suburbs as you think. The real issue is public transportation. As long as you don’t allow much of that whether housing is single family or duplex you won’t see much change…

    Once you allow public transportation into an area; however, it’s the beginning of the end.

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
    Public transportation was not necessary where I live to transform it.
  97. Here I always thought California was the craziest state.
    Meanwhile little Virginia, with the CIA, and The Atlantic Fleet, was festering away.
    Taking your guns, taking your home, having felons voting in your elections.
    The locus of the American Revolution has moved from Concord to Richmond?
    Maybe Virginia should try seceding again, if it hates The Constitution.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    I suspect Virginia has become a laboratory for leftist elites who wish to move the U.S. towards the Chinese model. Tavistock has come to Old Dominion.
  98. @Alexander Turok

    Its population growth not discrimination that drives real estate prices.

     

    That's half of the equation,(demand) the other half is supply. This reform will increase the supply of housing, reducing the price.

    This will reduce the Quality of Housing, which will reduce the desirability, and the value.

    But it will be GREAT for the slumlord corporations, buying up the area at lower evaluations. Great for the construction companies, hired to raze perfectly decent single family homes, then to build the new projects. Cabrini Greens in the burbs.

    Next will be rent based on income, so no one will be left behind.

    Soviet Union was known for central planning of efficient multi family housing. No need for each family to have their own kitchen and bathroom. Wasteful!

    The People can never benefit from Government, only the Owners can benefit.

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
    Central planning is not what I'm suggesting. That word has a meaning, and this ain't it. I'm suggesting a free market system. If people want to buy single family housing they can do so. And if they want to buy multifamily housing they can also do so.
    , @Alfred
    Soviet Union was known for central planning of efficient multi family housing

    One great thing about the Former Soviet Union and its satellites is that when the collapse came, the people got their flats for free. There is almost no housing debt in Russia, Ukraine, Poland etc.

    You can say what you like about standard Soviet apartment buildings, but they work. People get along and usually ignore their neighbors. Heating is centralized for a whole district or a number of blocks. Shared areas such as elevators, sidewalks and stairs are appalling but the inside of the apartments are usually much improved.

    Of course, if a few percent of the inhabitants were imports from Africa, it would have been an entirely different story.

    Amusingly, I just moved into one such apartment this week. An airbnb deal. The owner turned out to be a Nigerian doctor who came here 20 years ago. When I told him that I had been to Lagos, he shook his head and said "crazy place". He said that even he is afraid to visit Lagos. He comes from Eastern Nigeria. I guess the people in Lagos would target him as he is a "foreigner". To us, all Blacks look much the same. But in Africa it is another story. Also, different tribes have different attributes. They are more different from one another than the Spaniards are from the Norwegians.
  99. @Loren
    off topic

    20th elderly woman revealed to have been murdered by the 'Kenyan Killer' in Texas.
    So much for diversity being beautiful!

    The mainstream media is ignoring the story about the man who may be the most prolific serial killer in Texas history.

    I think you can guess why the national news is sweeping the story under the rug.

    https://fraudscrookscriminals.com/…/texas-20th-murder-of-a…/

    Loren, do you think at some point the newspaper owners might think it would be profitable to concentrate on reporting all black on white crime? Could their be a profitable niche market for such?

    Might the MSM eventually think it wise to concentrate on black on white crime to create even more violent crime, with the old saying, “If it bleeds, it leads.”

    • Replies: @anaccount
    I am quite sure that they did, at one point, at least in my area. There is alot of pent of demand for this type of news and unlike the hogwash MSM, people might actually pay to read it.
    , @Just passing through
    Media is just am advertising tool of the powerful, most newspapers are not run to make a profit but their influence makes the owners profits in the long term as they can change societies behaviours.
  100. @joe2.5
    That's good news. Finally some regulation that makes sense. The abomination of "suburbs" should have been outlawed since 1945. It killed our cities and our "Main Streets" and villages, together with the social structure. It was an effective weapon for killing cultural and intellectual life and transforming most of us into sheep clamoring for the slaughterhouse.

    joe2.5————–Oh HELL NO !!!!!———Suburbs did not kill American cities such as Detroit,Baltimore,Philladelphia,etc.,etc. The Great Migration,aka The Black Undertow killed American cities.Absent the ability to exclude Negro dysfunction,you can’t maintain the nice things that make cities livable.

    • Replies: @joe2.5
    Please go back and study the whole history of it, especially the role of car companies. You may be inverting the chicken-to-egg sequence.
  101. @Anonymous
    The most significant issue facing white people has nothing to do with minorities, illegal immigrants, or the parenthetical people. The greatest dilemma that whites face today is our inability to get along anymore. I have many theories about our extended family fallout, but I don’t enjoy typing that much.

    While out and about this Yule season I was repeatedly reminded by my fellow whites that I will always be judged, and subsequently treated very poorly, for my appearance and dress. I am educated and I enjoy a white collar job (self-employed), but our tribe have become so judgmental, biased, and brainwashed that the majority of those of us that I deal with in person are fearful, or at a minimum, wary of me. The irony is that if any one of these fellow, timid whites were to find his or herself in trouble, I would be the only one willing to step forward to knock a couple of black noggins around for them.

    Until we as a tribe remember how to move forward collectively, our present course toward annihilation will not stop.

    Do you mean you think other whites are wary of you because you dress well and have a white collar job? I’m not sure I understand what you see as a dilemma.

    The white/blue collar line has never been adversarial as far as I recall. I’ve personally cross-crossed the line several times during my work years and have enjoyed both. I never felt ostracized by one or the other when I was working ‘the other side of the line’.

    Just off the cuff, I think white people are more independent and less likely to congregate without a particular need. I think once a need is felt or recognized that they will quickly bond for the cause and work toward its completion. After that, they would likely disband and return to their independent lifestyle.

    But I agree that many whites have become far too timid in public and will allow a lot of ‘monkey shines’ by those around them. I, on the other hand, have no problem with walking over to another table in a restaurant and cautioning they young patrons there against their profound use of vulgarity in public. Or at sporting events where drunken groups of teens ruin the event for others trying to watch.

    You’d be surprised how demure most become when your nose is about a foot from theirs and you maintain a low, civil tone.

    Most people of this type are simply looking for boundaries, not having found them in their upbringing. I supply that for them, so far without consequence. Maybe someday someone will call me out on it and we will have to see where it goes from there. Till then, these are what I consider to be ‘beta males’. The loud ones who misinterpret over the top antics for masculinity. As they mature, hopefully it will alleviate itself.

    I hope so at least! I’m getting to old to wrestle around with pack of ‘belligerent youths’!

  102. @Anonymous
    By today’s ‘standards’ Mayor Orville Hubbard, is now considered a racist. He was the mayor of Dearborn Michigan during the 50’s and 60’s. Dearborn was once what is called a sundown town. The motto of the city was “ if everyone would sweep his own doorstep, the whole world would be clean “. If he were to see it today, it would break his heart. Dearborn was beautiful and had excellent schools and businesses. It is now referred to as Dearbornistan. You can ruin anything with enough social engineering. Sad to see most signs in Arabic. Not a lot of assimilation. Foreigners living in America. Living as foreigners.

    Mayor Hubbard’s statue came down not long ago. Sadly

  103. @Alexander Turok

    Its population growth not discrimination that drives real estate prices.

     

    That's half of the equation,(demand) the other half is supply. This reform will increase the supply of housing, reducing the price.

    But not actually reducing the “cost of living.”

  104. @SaneClownPosse
    This will reduce the Quality of Housing, which will reduce the desirability, and the value.

    But it will be GREAT for the slumlord corporations, buying up the area at lower evaluations. Great for the construction companies, hired to raze perfectly decent single family homes, then to build the new projects. Cabrini Greens in the burbs.

    Next will be rent based on income, so no one will be left behind.

    Soviet Union was known for central planning of efficient multi family housing. No need for each family to have their own kitchen and bathroom. Wasteful!

    The People can never benefit from Government, only the Owners can benefit.

    Central planning is not what I’m suggesting. That word has a meaning, and this ain’t it. I’m suggesting a free market system. If people want to buy single family housing they can do so. And if they want to buy multifamily housing they can also do so.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    Central planning is not what I’m suggesting. That word has a meaning, and this ain’t it. I’m suggesting a free market system. If people want to buy single family housing they can do so. And if they want to buy multifamily housing they can also do so.

    Central planning could have fixed this a long time ago.

    The problem with relying on the free market system it is that it leads to unequal outcomes if race is involved.

    Since conservatives take the position that race doesn't exist this then allows liberals to push their equalization schemes in order to fix what they perceive as an unfair market. What can conservatives say? They have no counter-argument when liberals claim the market isn't truly free and needs to be fixed because the results were racially unequal.

    Both sides don't accept race and because of this we get into these free market/fix the market loops of stupid.
  105. @SafeNow
    Separating into Red America escape places 10 to 15 miles from a major highway would, I fear, provide old-America refuge for only a generation or so. That is because the unraveling of Blue America into dysfunction, frustration, humiliation, violence, and Idiocracy will be profound. (As a Californian, I have seen more than a glimpse of this.) At that point, Blue America will want to move to these Red America safe havens. The local governments would try to prevent this. The Blues would simply find a Blue Federal Judge to enjoin the preventive efforts. Moving still farther out would be untenable for most Reds — no schools, no hospital, no society.

    The Blues would simply find a Blue Federal Judge to enjoin the preventive efforts.

    I’m talking about secession. Your Blue Federal Judge has no jurisdiction in Red America. Your Blue refugees will be admitted or turned back according to Red American immigration policy.

    Secession must wait for post imperial America. It is impossible now. Keep your powder dry Safe Now.

  106. @KaD
    Because it's bad for the environment. In their minds I guess there's nothing bad for the environment about importing a million legal immigrants yearly and who knows how many illegally. Nothing bad for the environment about having people piled in high rise apartments and increasing population density. And democrats say they want higher wages but fail to see how mass immigration drives wages down. NOT a coincidence. Are Americans really this stupid?

    Yes, they are.

  107. “Proponents of “upzoning” say the changes are necessary because suburbs are bastions of segregation and elitism, as well as bad for the environment.”

    ….as well as bad for the environment.

    Well, there you go.

    Also, “bastions… of elitism”.

    Can’t have that. Elitism of people who work, save their money and think of their future over waste of skin who don’t, and are stuck in the “gibs me dat NOW!” mentality.

    “Oh no, they will never come for our guns, muh constitution” – some White cucks.

    Last but not least – you think Trump will be elected next cycle? You think this country is not soon over?

    Virginia, the NEWLY CREATED democrat bastion, says otherwise.

    This is it, DEMOGRAPHY IS DESTINY (one of my favority channels on youtube, now, of course, erased, unpersonned) had it right in the title.

  108. Commentator anarchyst seems to have a good knowledge of legal steps that can be taken to preserve the suburban environment. Others have said that restrictive covenants are invariably struck down. Allow me to doubt that this is so unless racial discrimination is involved.

    If I am right there could be a resurrection of restrictive covenants to replace local zoning laws and regulatiions by private agreement amongst property owners. Of course one would run into problems of conflicting interests, people wanting to keep their options open and sheer inertia but it surely could be done with a good and shrewd lawyer to draft the covenants. Why not? Is there any case law against it? Or any statutory prohibition?

  109. @Augustus
    Loren, do you think at some point the newspaper owners might think it would be profitable to concentrate on reporting all black on white crime? Could their be a profitable niche market for such?

    Might the MSM eventually think it wise to concentrate on black on white crime to create even more violent crime, with the old saying, "If it bleeds, it leads."

    I am quite sure that they did, at one point, at least in my area. There is alot of pent of demand for this type of news and unlike the hogwash MSM, people might actually pay to read it.

  110. @anarchyst
    To paraphrase a famous song “We Didn’t Start the Fire” by Billy Joel, it’s not every “boomer” that was the problem. In fact, many of us boomers struggled through life, but finally “made it”.

    I am a “boomer” who has worked all my life, starting at 12 years of age. Being one of 8 children, life for my parents and us was not easy, but we all persevered in our own ways and were successful in life.

    Nobody ever gave me anything. What I did was gained “with the sweat of my brow”.
    If there is any “blame” to be placed, it must be placed at those of previous generations, especially the “greatest generation”, that formulated and passed many of the destructive laws and customs that we live under to this day.

    From the enactment of the federal income tax and the creation of the unconstitutional Federal Reserve cartel, previous generations have a lot to answer for.

    The “greatest generation” was duped into fighting a war for European (jewish) interests, destroying much of European culture as a result, and solidifying international jewish power by NOT going after the REAL enemies of human culture, legitimizing the state of Israel, thereby consolidating jewish zionist power, and assuring the jewish zionist hold on the world political process.

    Let’s not forget that the “greatest generation” pushed for the terribly misguided “civil-rights” acts, statutes and laws, which effectively disenfranchised whites (but only whites) with the abolition of “freedom of association” (but only for whites).

    In fact, federal troops were used against law-abiding whites in violation of “posse commitatus” laws which prohibit utilizing the military for domestic law enforcement purposes.

    Whites have been effectively neutered since these laws were passed. Forced integration of schools (cross-district busing and other schemes) was enforced by leftist judges who insisted that blacks needed to sit next to whites in order to learn.

    The “elephant in the room” to which blame can be squarely put on the “greatest generation” was the “Hart-Celler Immigration Act of 1965. This act successfully cut off the immigration for white Europeans while opening up the floodgates for third-world brown and black immigration.

    Both major political parties were responsible for this travesty. Democrats saw increasing third-world immigration as a source for votes while the Republicans saw it as a source of cheap labor.

    The wages of native-born Americans have not increased in real terms since 1970, that point in time being seen as the “high-water mark” in relation to wage growth. There has not been any “wage growth” since then.

    All of the above can be attributed to those of the “greatest generation”…NOT us "boomers".

    To those of the greatest generation (who are still alive), thanks for NOTHING…

    Unlike others in my generation I do not throw the term ‘boomer’ around nor do I find this generation anymore responsible for our plight than others. This type of thinking does not move us forward. Whites need to learn to love and respect other whites (despite faults) if we are ever to move forward as a group and fight our real enemies.

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    Unlike others in my generation I do not throw the term ‘boomer’ around nor do I find this generation anymore responsible for our plight than others.

    I'm not a fan of boomers but it didn't start with them.

    If anything it started with Northerners not having a realistic plan for post-slavery.
  111. Why all this defense of capitalists? Skyrocketing property prices and homelessness in white countries are primarily due to capitalist property speculation and greed. White peoples’ TFR is declining so why this need for new housing? Old white people are dying out and are having fewer descendants so just renovating properties should be enough to house almost everyone affordably. Ah, yes, but these are no longer “white” countries or even majority white as the immigrant population boom explodes inside the borders while new ones keep piling in. And who is responsible for this, who employs them, who profits from them? Capitalists.

    • Replies: @GodHelpUs
    The oligarchs who control the global trade system can hardly be called capitalists. They have rewritten the social contract to enable themselves to assume a role akin to feudal lords. Multinational corporations have become modern fiefdoms.

    The capitalists described by Adam Smith were yeoman farmers and skilled tradesmen who used their profit to increase their productive ability, which in aggregate increased the wealth of the entire nation. The Wealth of Nations was Smith's attempt to answer the question of why England was so much richer than France in his day. His thesis was that the personal liberty and protection of property rights of the English system allowed for organic economic growth that was stifled by the rent seeking endemic in the ossified, corrupt, pre-revolution French state.

    Our global economic system increasingly resembles the French model that Smith bitterly condemned, rather than the English model which he advocated.
  112. @AceDeuce
    They hate happy white people, and they have to go after them. They don't even try to hide it. Why should they? No one has stood up to them, much less went after them, in 60 years.

    Here's Che Guevara in 1967:

    ...."Hatred as an element of the struggle; a relentless hatred of the enemy, impelling us over and beyond the natural limitations that man is heir to and transforming him into an effective, violent, selective and cold killing machine. Our soldiers must be thus; a people without hatred cannot vanquish a brutal enemy.

    "We must carry the war into every corner the enemy happens to carry it: to his home, to his centers of entertainment; a total war. It is necessary to prevent him from having a moment of peace, a quiet moment outside his barracks or even inside; we must attack him wherever he may be; make him feel like a cornered beast wherever he may move. Then his moral fiber shall begin to decline. He will even become more beastly, but we shall notice how the signs of decadence begin to appear".

    To put that straight, what Che was writing about was the war of the people against the government. What your’re dealing with here is the war of the government against the people. Good luck trying to find partners in government in your struggle.

  113. @Unit472
    You are as ignorant as negro politicians. High land prices preclude building affordable housing because the builder is not an idiot named Turok.

    If you have a buildable lot in a desirable area you are to put the best house you can on it because that is how you make the most money which is the object of the game not put hoodrats next door to millionaires. Sheesh are you an adult?

    If you have a buildable lot in a desirable area you are to put the best house you can on it because that is how you make the most money which is the object of the game not put hoodrats next door to millionaires. Sheesh are you an adult?

    A business man you are not. If you have a buildable lot, you want the best return per square foot on your investment – stacked apartments with hood rats sometimes does that.

    • Replies: @unit472
    So property developers in San Francisco and Manhattan are too stupid to realize the potential of putting up 50 story hoodrat towers. I think not. I think you don't know a goddamned thing about real estate development.The truth is low income people are disappearing in those areas because no one can afford to build housing for them.

    There is a reason, outside of public housing projects, high rise developments are not for poor people. They cost more to build.

  114. @Anonymous
    The most significant issue facing white people has nothing to do with minorities, illegal immigrants, or the parenthetical people. The greatest dilemma that whites face today is our inability to get along anymore. I have many theories about our extended family fallout, but I don’t enjoy typing that much.

    While out and about this Yule season I was repeatedly reminded by my fellow whites that I will always be judged, and subsequently treated very poorly, for my appearance and dress. I am educated and I enjoy a white collar job (self-employed), but our tribe have become so judgmental, biased, and brainwashed that the majority of those of us that I deal with in person are fearful, or at a minimum, wary of me. The irony is that if any one of these fellow, timid whites were to find his or herself in trouble, I would be the only one willing to step forward to knock a couple of black noggins around for them.

    Until we as a tribe remember how to move forward collectively, our present course toward annihilation will not stop.

    Until we as a tribe remember how to move forward collectively, our present course toward annihilation will not stop.

    Whites do move forward collectively, just not in things that matter and instead things like boycotting the new Star Wars movie because the plot offends their sensibilities. LOL

    • Replies: @Inque Yutani
    Or we see boycotting Hollywood (not funding political forces that hate us) as a low hanging fruit test case. If we can’t do something as simple as that in a world with a hundred other alternate sources of entertainment, then what can we do?

    I run into the dumb cucks, usually older types, who think if we only patronize “conservative” films there will be this renaissance of good filmmaking again, and Hollywood will see the light. These are white males 40 years past the age they should know better. No, Hollywood will just start pandering with fake patriotism and funnel the box office to the Left like before.

    The reason whites are losing is because they’ve become a pack of blind, blithering dumbf##ks.
  115. @D-FENS
    Regarding the “bad for the environment” aspect. A third world country typically has a carbon footprint 1/7 to 1/4 that of the US. So even if they have a significantly lower than average US income, an immigrant in the US will increase their carbon footprint at least a factor of 4. Ironically, those that are most concerned about climate change are also likely to support open borders.

    The climate change agenda is more about wealth equalisation as opposed to stabilising the planet.

    For example they know coal makes a nation more competitive which is why they only really campaign against coal use on Western countries who don’t even burn that much in the first place.

    You point about carbon footprint is also true, I remember reading the average American has a per capita pollution 100x more than an African and far above that of Asians, even for Asians most of the pollution is from demand from Westerners (lax environmental standards were one of the reasons industries were shifted to the East, you don’t need the latest green machinery to comply with EPA standards)

  116. @Augustus
    Loren, do you think at some point the newspaper owners might think it would be profitable to concentrate on reporting all black on white crime? Could their be a profitable niche market for such?

    Might the MSM eventually think it wise to concentrate on black on white crime to create even more violent crime, with the old saying, "If it bleeds, it leads."

    Media is just am advertising tool of the powerful, most newspapers are not run to make a profit but their influence makes the owners profits in the long term as they can change societies behaviours.

  117. @Alexander Turok
    "Outlawing white suburbs" is one way to look at it, another is "pre-empting local laws which outlaw the building of duplexes." No landowner is going to be forced to build duplexes; with this law homeowners have the right to build them, or not build them, on land that they own. Indeed, this law doesn't go far enough. While it shouldn't be absolute as no one wants to wake up next to an artillery range, there should be a strong presumption in favor of the property owner having the right to build what he wants. If there was such a policy maybe housing wouldn't have increased in price so much over the last few decades. Maybe it would look more like food and furniture and electronics, where regulation was not coincidentally much less intense.

    As to the race issue, you're making the same mistake the Democrats make when they speak of whites as if they are all rich and blacks as if they are all poor. The Democrats don't care much for poor whites, but they are every bit as impacted by "exclusionary zoning" as are poor blacks. You ever read those stories about some depressed mining town in Appalachia and think "why don't they just leave?" One reason is because they don't have anywhere to go. Urban and suburban America won't allow more housing to be built.

    I live close to the center of my city, not because I'm a big fan of all that urban life crap. It's because my employer(and other potential employers) decided to put their offices at the core of the city and I don't want to spend two hours a day in traffic. I live in a tri-plex, and thank God my city allowed it to be built. If you're retired, if you rely on internet income, if you are in one of those industries where there's demand for it everywhere, you can afford to sing the praises of the exurb or even the rural area. But if you're like me where there are simply not any jobs available outside the urban core, it's a luxury you don't have.

    “…the property owner having a right to build what he wants…”

    Here we go again. Yet another clueless libertarian allows entré for the left to push their agenda and ultimately achieve their unstated goals, which in this case is the destruction by brown/black hordes of every formerly white neighborhood in Virginia. If there was ever a sterling example of the lefts’ useful idiots, you libertarians qualify, plus you turn into disingenuous liars whenever you try to protest otherwise.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Here we go again. Yet another clueless libertarian allows
     
    Funny how people can switch back-and-forth between attacks on some libertarian points and embracing other libertarian points. One could get whiplash trying to follow it. The same zoning laws that won't let him build a duplex could tell him he can't install a pool, operate a mail-order business from his basement, or possess certain weapons because he lives too close to a school.(Virginia had gun control long before any state to the north.)

    Remember "freedom of association"? A perfectly defensible principle, ruined when taken up in a hurry by the same people who'd been violating it all along.


    Suppose you hired an old black lady to tidy up the house several times a week. I live at the entrance to your "cul-de-sac", and sit on my front porch with a shotgun to ensure she can't enter.

    Whose rights, if any, have been violated?

    , @Alexander Turok
    I'm not a libertarian, supporting among other things higher taxes on the rich and regulation of big tech companies. Your criticism of doctrinaire libertarians is spot on. But you and the other critics have not addressed my point about how single family zoning excludes poor whites just as much as it excludes poor blacks. You just ignore it and repeat your claims as if all whites are middle class or rich, all whites can afford a detached house in the 'burbs.
  118. Part reason of the 08 Depression that the Wall street thugs and the Federal Reserve made up, was so the lower middle class blue collar workers couldn’t own homes close to the fancy PUD and gated communities. Florida’s housing that was giving many homes to the working class was ground zero. This set of laws Will Not affect those big developments and rich folks – Only the middle class burbs that house the white working class.

  119. @Paul Marchand
    Whites should not even be forced to go to suburbs to "have their space".
    ANYBODY, whites or blacks or yellows or reds or whatever SHOULD HAVE THE AUTONOMY TO LIVE WITH WHOM THEY PLEASE. Apartment owners and tenants should have the autonomy, the HUMAN RIGHT, of CONTRACT, and living "amongst their own". Forced housing integration in apartment living has chased MANY MILLIONS of whites out of a situation which their GOD-GIVEN INSTINCT instructs them is not RIGHT.
    HOWEVER, the same bxxxxxds that forced ROE on us force integrated housing.
    If I own, for example, two apartment buildings, I should be able to put whites here, blacks there.
    In fact MORALLY I should not even HAVE to furnish both of them living quarters.
    THE LEFT know what they are doing.
    The basxxxds are destroying whites.
    PERIOD.

    Good points.
    And now you can see, surely, that the US is moving towards its own peculiar form of communism and totalitarianism?
    Forcibly displacing and “mixing” people who don’t want to mix!
    For if housing the poor is what is intended, why not build high-rise apartment blocs in those run-down neighbourhoohs, where they can take down the decrepit buildings and build new ones?
    What sense does it make to destroy those quiet, green and relatively peaceful suburbs?
    Sooo! No more right to chose one’s place of residence?
    Should we expect a law against issuing marriage certificate to couples of the same race and background?

  120. @SaneClownPosse
    This will reduce the Quality of Housing, which will reduce the desirability, and the value.

    But it will be GREAT for the slumlord corporations, buying up the area at lower evaluations. Great for the construction companies, hired to raze perfectly decent single family homes, then to build the new projects. Cabrini Greens in the burbs.

    Next will be rent based on income, so no one will be left behind.

    Soviet Union was known for central planning of efficient multi family housing. No need for each family to have their own kitchen and bathroom. Wasteful!

    The People can never benefit from Government, only the Owners can benefit.

    Soviet Union was known for central planning of efficient multi family housing

    One great thing about the Former Soviet Union and its satellites is that when the collapse came, the people got their flats for free. There is almost no housing debt in Russia, Ukraine, Poland etc.

    You can say what you like about standard Soviet apartment buildings, but they work. People get along and usually ignore their neighbors. Heating is centralized for a whole district or a number of blocks. Shared areas such as elevators, sidewalks and stairs are appalling but the inside of the apartments are usually much improved.

    Of course, if a few percent of the inhabitants were imports from Africa, it would have been an entirely different story.

    Amusingly, I just moved into one such apartment this week. An airbnb deal. The owner turned out to be a Nigerian doctor who came here 20 years ago. When I told him that I had been to Lagos, he shook his head and said “crazy place”. He said that even he is afraid to visit Lagos. He comes from Eastern Nigeria. I guess the people in Lagos would target him as he is a “foreigner”. To us, all Blacks look much the same. But in Africa it is another story. Also, different tribes have different attributes. They are more different from one another than the Spaniards are from the Norwegians.

    • Replies: @D-FENS
    There was an article yesterday in the LA Times that discussed political turmoil in Nigeria. The article mentioned that Nigeria has 200 ethnicities and 500 languages. Or was it 500 ethnicities and 200 languages? Anyways the Times is always pushing the “Diversity is our greatest strength” nonthink line. I guess they missed the irony. Plus the fact that all the ethnicities are negroes as well.
  121. Some say that the whole idea of suburbia was at least in part a civil defense measure. In the early Cold War era it was believed that spreading the population out over a large area would increase the number of survivors in the event of a Soviet atomic attack. Decentralizing the population would also serve to keep them from banding together to effectively resist their massively enlarged government, as had been in the case in the militant 1930s when millions of urban Americans took to the streets in huge protests against Depression conditions. And allowing ownership of a little house on a tiny plot of land would give working people the illusion that they had a vested interest in perpetuating the system that so profited from their compliance. And best of all, there would now be a big new market for transportation, to the great profit of the oil and automotive industries. In the postwar years these powerful interests were industriously scrapping public transit systems and transferring freight traffic from railroads to trucks. The latter would operate on the nation’s highways, bought and paid for by the taxpayers, rather than on private railroad rights-of-way, eliminating their high maintenance costs.

    That’s the free market fer ya, folks, delivering benefit after benefit to the one percenters while bestowing on the grateful peasants the amazing privilege of living in that happy place trademarked The Free World. And heck, you can blame it all on those surly dusky ingrates and the circle is complete.

    • Replies: @ShermanFan
    Ownership of property, especially your home, is deep in American heritage, the individuality and self-determination associated with it is the anthesis of the fuedal system our ancestors escaped.
    Rural to Urban population has flipped, from 94% rural in 1800 to less than 25% rural today.
    While property ownership rates have varied over time, it has remained between 50-70%.
    The argument that the 1% benefited most from the Suburban outflow fails to recognize the positive aspects of property ownership; the two greatest are the stabilization of housing costs and a store of wealth. While BFB on another location may argue, the facts are traditional homes generally don’t decline in value, except in cases of neglect, neighborhood decay/blight, or economic upheaval. It is demonstrable that the middle class has largely benefited from single family homes and suburban development.
    We could further debate the merits of mass transit, but in most urban areas mass transit are a magnet for addicts, blacks, criminals, the homeless, and are avoided by those of even modest means.
    Agenda 21 style developments and other urban planning with multi family dwellings largely benefit the 1%.
    , @Mr. Rational

    these powerful interests were industriously scrapping public transit systems and transferring freight traffic from railroads to trucks. The latter would operate on the nation’s highways, bought and paid for by the taxpayers, rather than on private railroad rights-of-way, eliminating their high maintenance costs.
     
    Totally backwards.  Rail is cheap to build and even cheaper to maintain; if the bed shifts you only have to lift the rails, re-shovel the ballast to level it, put the ties back down and spike the rails down again.  This is laborious but doable by men with hand tools.  Contrast with chipping out massive amounts of concrete and pouring new.

    Trucking socializes the cost of the roadway, while rail pays its own way (including property taxes).  Trucks also do the overwhelming majority of pavement damage.  All long-distance trucks should be paying road tolls per mile... or maybe that should be all trucks, period.
  122. @Alexander Turok
    I'm not demonizing anyone. I'm the one advocating for a free market in housing. It's not about going after the rich homeowner. It's about not allowing him to tell everyone us what they are allowed to do with their property.

    “It’s about not allowing him to tell everyone us what they are allowed to do with their property.”

    Grammar aunts

    This is a good example of how confusing it is to use “they” to refer to both singular and plural antecedents. A leaves a reader not knowing whether, in this sentence, “they” refers back to “him” or “everyone us.”

    The best pronoun to use to refer back to “everyone us” (which itself is confusing) would be

    “to tell everyone us what *we* are allowed to do with *our* property.”

    That is, if I understand the sentence correctly.

  123. Do you sometimes wonder if Atlas Shrugged is playing out in front of our own eyes?
    Who is John Galt!!

  124. Living in the little city of Scottsdale, Arizona, back in the mid-80s, I remember them quietly turning down a federal grant of some $25 million if they would just agree to let anyone build some low income housing. The city said no, and I never heard one complaint about it from any direction. Come to think of it, a couple years later we actually got a notice in the mail that the city was–get this!–lowering property taxes. Ah, the good old days.

  125. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:

    The same thing is about to happen on Long Island…right after the election for Suffolk County offices (executive, legislators, etc) was over and Democrats had been re-elected, the local Democrat party newspaper, Newsday, released the results of a secret “study” it had been conducting, which purported to show segregated housing patterns, and discriminatory practices by real estate agents…the Democrats themselves, more in sorrow than in anger, natch, are using this to drum up outrage, and will attempt to destroy local zoning power.
    The fact that this is happening in both Virginia and New York tells me that it is a national strategy for Democrats, coordinated between them and their people in the media.

    Suffolk County, look out: I see welfare apartments, Section 8, and 2-family zoning headed your way.

    • Replies: @ShermanFan
    Breaking up white suburbs also dilutes the vote. A sort of redistricting through the movement of people instead of boundaries.
  126. @Alexander Turok
    "Outlawing white suburbs" is one way to look at it, another is "pre-empting local laws which outlaw the building of duplexes." No landowner is going to be forced to build duplexes; with this law homeowners have the right to build them, or not build them, on land that they own. Indeed, this law doesn't go far enough. While it shouldn't be absolute as no one wants to wake up next to an artillery range, there should be a strong presumption in favor of the property owner having the right to build what he wants. If there was such a policy maybe housing wouldn't have increased in price so much over the last few decades. Maybe it would look more like food and furniture and electronics, where regulation was not coincidentally much less intense.

    As to the race issue, you're making the same mistake the Democrats make when they speak of whites as if they are all rich and blacks as if they are all poor. The Democrats don't care much for poor whites, but they are every bit as impacted by "exclusionary zoning" as are poor blacks. You ever read those stories about some depressed mining town in Appalachia and think "why don't they just leave?" One reason is because they don't have anywhere to go. Urban and suburban America won't allow more housing to be built.

    I live close to the center of my city, not because I'm a big fan of all that urban life crap. It's because my employer(and other potential employers) decided to put their offices at the core of the city and I don't want to spend two hours a day in traffic. I live in a tri-plex, and thank God my city allowed it to be built. If you're retired, if you rely on internet income, if you are in one of those industries where there's demand for it everywhere, you can afford to sing the praises of the exurb or even the rural area. But if you're like me where there are simply not any jobs available outside the urban core, it's a luxury you don't have.

    Is that you, Corvinus? Too many cucks on this site.

  127. @Oldtradesman
    I disagree.

    Middle-class whites benefit from the de facto segregation enabled by inflated home prices and care not a bit for less fortunate whites surrounded by divershitty at the bottom of the hill. Most of them perceive themselves as non- or anti-racist and wouldn't piss on you if your ass was afire. In my opinion they need to have their consciouness raised.

    Whites as a group could benefit from statewide zoning laws like this. Let us see how creative those middle-class whites up on the hill are at opposing these laws and maintaining their publicly-stated egalitarian beliefs.

    Idiotic. The “worse-is-better” attitude towards politics has been a proven failure since the New Deal.

    • Replies: @Oldtradesman

    Idiotic. The “worse-is-better” attitude towards politics has been a proven failure since the New Deal.
     
    Retarded.

    85+ years of the dominant "worse-is-worse" has put us where we are now.

    Smug anti- and non-racist scrunts who presently enjoy the benefits of de facto race segregation on top of the hill should feel the pain of living with divershitty at the bottom. Maybe then they'll come to appreciate what's at stake. Or maybe not.

    Never been tried before. So we'll see, won't we?

    Sorry if this negatively impacts your equity.

    , @Oldtradesman
    White MIGA-cucks have benefited from the de facto race segregation that exists at the top of the hill since 1965. Time to bring them the YUGE dose of reality that exists at the bottom. No doubt these cowards with so much empathy for less fortunate whites will try cuck, cuck, cucking their way out of this one in the comment threads, 'cause, you know, "worse is worse" and home equities are at stake!
  128. @Paul Marchand
    Whites should not even be forced to go to suburbs to "have their space".
    ANYBODY, whites or blacks or yellows or reds or whatever SHOULD HAVE THE AUTONOMY TO LIVE WITH WHOM THEY PLEASE. Apartment owners and tenants should have the autonomy, the HUMAN RIGHT, of CONTRACT, and living "amongst their own". Forced housing integration in apartment living has chased MANY MILLIONS of whites out of a situation which their GOD-GIVEN INSTINCT instructs them is not RIGHT.
    HOWEVER, the same bxxxxxds that forced ROE on us force integrated housing.
    If I own, for example, two apartment buildings, I should be able to put whites here, blacks there.
    In fact MORALLY I should not even HAVE to furnish both of them living quarters.
    THE LEFT know what they are doing.
    The basxxxds are destroying whites.
    PERIOD.

    Yellows (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans etc.), Browns (Indians, Pakistanis, Arabs etc.), Reds (Mexicans et at) do live peacefully with Whites (Christians, Jews (secular), Arabs etc.) but it’s still the issue of native Blacks… solve that and the problem disappear on its own…

  129. Look! democrats think black people are incapable of buying a single family home! this is the “‘soft bigotry of low expectations” These are your actual racists, folks!

  130. @anonymous
    The same thing is about to happen on Long Island...right after the election for Suffolk County offices (executive, legislators, etc) was over and Democrats had been re-elected, the local Democrat party newspaper, Newsday, released the results of a secret "study" it had been conducting, which purported to show segregated housing patterns, and discriminatory practices by real estate agents...the Democrats themselves, more in sorrow than in anger, natch, are using this to drum up outrage, and will attempt to destroy local zoning power.
    The fact that this is happening in both Virginia and New York tells me that it is a national strategy for Democrats, coordinated between them and their people in the media.

    Suffolk County, look out: I see welfare apartments, Section 8, and 2-family zoning headed your way.

    Breaking up white suburbs also dilutes the vote. A sort of redistricting through the movement of people instead of boundaries.

    • Agree: By-tor
    • Replies: @Non PC Infidel
    It also serves the purpose of diluting the crime rate of black areas by spreading the thugs out over a wider area. Then, after the crime rates are essentially "level" across all areas, it can be claimed that all areas are equal and blacks are no worse than anyone else. Of course, this requires ignoring the fact that the blacks who moved into white areas are responsible for the huge increase in the crime rate in those areas.
  131. @Alexander Turok
    "Outlawing white suburbs" is one way to look at it, another is "pre-empting local laws which outlaw the building of duplexes." No landowner is going to be forced to build duplexes; with this law homeowners have the right to build them, or not build them, on land that they own. Indeed, this law doesn't go far enough. While it shouldn't be absolute as no one wants to wake up next to an artillery range, there should be a strong presumption in favor of the property owner having the right to build what he wants. If there was such a policy maybe housing wouldn't have increased in price so much over the last few decades. Maybe it would look more like food and furniture and electronics, where regulation was not coincidentally much less intense.

    As to the race issue, you're making the same mistake the Democrats make when they speak of whites as if they are all rich and blacks as if they are all poor. The Democrats don't care much for poor whites, but they are every bit as impacted by "exclusionary zoning" as are poor blacks. You ever read those stories about some depressed mining town in Appalachia and think "why don't they just leave?" One reason is because they don't have anywhere to go. Urban and suburban America won't allow more housing to be built.

    I live close to the center of my city, not because I'm a big fan of all that urban life crap. It's because my employer(and other potential employers) decided to put their offices at the core of the city and I don't want to spend two hours a day in traffic. I live in a tri-plex, and thank God my city allowed it to be built. If you're retired, if you rely on internet income, if you are in one of those industries where there's demand for it everywhere, you can afford to sing the praises of the exurb or even the rural area. But if you're like me where there are simply not any jobs available outside the urban core, it's a luxury you don't have.

    Setting race aside, which it ought mercifully to be in any debate that involves adults, the effect of restrictions on expanded housing in locations that offer economic transportation, nearby services and community support is always a shortage of more affordable living. In California, these arguments are made by conservatives, who point out that enclaves for liberals in desireable locations have made it impossible for traditional large families to live where they once created the culture.

    Single family homes on small plots in vast dead zones of curving blacktops have been recognized for their inefficiency, inartfulness and inhumanity since their beginnings. Race had little to do with it.

    It’s too ironic that middle class black Washington bureaucrats who live in those enclaves in Virginia are being used once again by liberal real estate speculators to ruin the neighborhoods their parents struggled to buy into.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    Sorry, why exactly should race be off-limits in “adult” conversations? Are you talking about adult cucks?
  132. @Hibernian
    Suburbs did not begin with the GI Bill, although it certainly promoted them. Oldest suburb of Chicago was Hyde Park where I live; now of course a dense neighborhood in he city. It was founded in 1851, about when Chicago was starting to become a major city, due to the completion of the Illinois and Michigan canal in 1848. Oldest still separately incorporated and relatively low density community near Chicago, planned as a suburb, is Riverside, founded circa 1870-1880.

    Suburbs did not begin with the GI Bill, although it certainly promoted them. Oldest suburb of Chicago was Hyde Park where I live; now of course a dense neighborhood in he city. It was founded in 1851, about when Chicago was starting to become a major city, due to the completion of the Illinois and Michigan canal in 1848. Oldest still separately incorporated and relatively low density community near Chicago, planned as a suburb, is Riverside, founded circa 1870-1880.

    There are other enclaves in Chicagoland and they stay what they were from the beginning by strictly enforced unwritten restrictive agreements among the property owners. I know of one on the south side that might as well be an army special forces unit dropped into the middle of Afghanistan. The only problem with it is that you have to turn in your humanness ID card to live there. What they’re afraid of is enjoying life all around them, with the occasional tragic event. Better than having a life of sterile tragedy, man.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    If you're referring to Bridgeport, Beverly, or Mt. Greenwood, I think you're exaggerating, although if it's Bridgeport, not so long ago you wouldn't have been exaggerating much.
    , @Alden
    Is that the Beverly neighborhood of Chicago?
  133. Constitutionally this type of law is prohibited on a national level. It is questionable if it is allowable on a state level. Each of us in a free society is a sovereign of one. We have the right of association. That is why laws of this type are reserved for the state or local municipality. To argue that urbanization is more efficient and environmentally friendly is ludicrous. Urban areas already exist and typically have many areas that could be repurposed for low-income housing. If someone wishes to live the urban lifestyle there are plenty of cities to choose from. City dwellers rarely understand why people would choose to live in the suburbs or worse yet, in the country. But the reverse is equally true. I have lived in large cities, New York City for one. I found it to be suffocating, time-consuming, impersonal, and dangerous. In a crisis, there would never be enough food or water to go around. Urban areas are only efficient for commerce and control. I found many city-dwellers who viewed people who choose to live in the country with contempt. Yet, it is those very people who supply the foods that city people require to survive. The next logical step in this process will be for the government to usurp control over food production. Once the majority of people are confined to cities and the government controls food production and distribution, there will be no freedom left in this country. You will either comply or you will not be fed. The only thing stopping this from happening is the 2nd Amendment. That is why it is being so aggressively attacked by the Governor and Democratic Legislature in Virginia. The good people of Virginia understand this and that is why we are seeing the backlash against the urban elected Democrat government. This is no longer a state issue. If allowed to spread, this mentality threatens the freedom of every citizen.

  134. @ShermanFan
    Breaking up white suburbs also dilutes the vote. A sort of redistricting through the movement of people instead of boundaries.

    It also serves the purpose of diluting the crime rate of black areas by spreading the thugs out over a wider area. Then, after the crime rates are essentially “level” across all areas, it can be claimed that all areas are equal and blacks are no worse than anyone else. Of course, this requires ignoring the fact that the blacks who moved into white areas are responsible for the huge increase in the crime rate in those areas.

    • Agree: ShermanFan, By-tor
  135. @Paul Marchand
    Whites should not even be forced to go to suburbs to "have their space".
    ANYBODY, whites or blacks or yellows or reds or whatever SHOULD HAVE THE AUTONOMY TO LIVE WITH WHOM THEY PLEASE. Apartment owners and tenants should have the autonomy, the HUMAN RIGHT, of CONTRACT, and living "amongst their own". Forced housing integration in apartment living has chased MANY MILLIONS of whites out of a situation which their GOD-GIVEN INSTINCT instructs them is not RIGHT.
    HOWEVER, the same bxxxxxds that forced ROE on us force integrated housing.
    If I own, for example, two apartment buildings, I should be able to put whites here, blacks there.
    In fact MORALLY I should not even HAVE to furnish both of them living quarters.
    THE LEFT know what they are doing.
    The basxxxds are destroying whites.
    PERIOD.

    Certain “elites” are trying to gentrify DC, to turn it all into $2 or $3 million condos. So they need to move out the vibrant folks who are occupying all that prime real estate. Same thing in NYC with the gentrification of Harlem. Bend over YT, you’re about to get Diversitied.

  136. @Observator
    Some say that the whole idea of suburbia was at least in part a civil defense measure. In the early Cold War era it was believed that spreading the population out over a large area would increase the number of survivors in the event of a Soviet atomic attack. Decentralizing the population would also serve to keep them from banding together to effectively resist their massively enlarged government, as had been in the case in the militant 1930s when millions of urban Americans took to the streets in huge protests against Depression conditions. And allowing ownership of a little house on a tiny plot of land would give working people the illusion that they had a vested interest in perpetuating the system that so profited from their compliance. And best of all, there would now be a big new market for transportation, to the great profit of the oil and automotive industries. In the postwar years these powerful interests were industriously scrapping public transit systems and transferring freight traffic from railroads to trucks. The latter would operate on the nation's highways, bought and paid for by the taxpayers, rather than on private railroad rights-of-way, eliminating their high maintenance costs.

    That's the free market fer ya, folks, delivering benefit after benefit to the one percenters while bestowing on the grateful peasants the amazing privilege of living in that happy place trademarked The Free World. And heck, you can blame it all on those surly dusky ingrates and the circle is complete.

    Ownership of property, especially your home, is deep in American heritage, the individuality and self-determination associated with it is the anthesis of the fuedal system our ancestors escaped.
    Rural to Urban population has flipped, from 94% rural in 1800 to less than 25% rural today.
    While property ownership rates have varied over time, it has remained between 50-70%.
    The argument that the 1% benefited most from the Suburban outflow fails to recognize the positive aspects of property ownership; the two greatest are the stabilization of housing costs and a store of wealth. While BFB on another location may argue, the facts are traditional homes generally don’t decline in value, except in cases of neglect, neighborhood decay/blight, or economic upheaval. It is demonstrable that the middle class has largely benefited from single family homes and suburban development.
    We could further debate the merits of mass transit, but in most urban areas mass transit are a magnet for addicts, blacks, criminals, the homeless, and are avoided by those of even modest means.
    Agenda 21 style developments and other urban planning with multi family dwellings largely benefit the 1%.

  137. @Biff

    If you have a buildable lot in a desirable area you are to put the best house you can on it because that is how you make the most money which is the object of the game not put hoodrats next door to millionaires. Sheesh are you an adult?
     
    A business man you are not. If you have a buildable lot, you want the best return per square foot on your investment - stacked apartments with hood rats sometimes does that.

    So property developers in San Francisco and Manhattan are too stupid to realize the potential of putting up 50 story hoodrat towers. I think not. I think you don’t know a goddamned thing about real estate development.The truth is low income people are disappearing in those areas because no one can afford to build housing for them.

    There is a reason, outside of public housing projects, high rise developments are not for poor people. They cost more to build.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    There is a reason, outside of public housing projects, high rise developments are not for poor people. They cost more to build.

    This is correct.

    They cost more to build and the luxury units can be difficult to move.

    It's a very limited number of people that can afford a penthouse unit and want to buy one instead of a house. The model can work in NY where you don't have much of a choice. But in LA the skyline hasn't changed much because people would rather buy a house with a view.

    , @Boy the way Glenn Miller played

    The truth is low income people are disappearing in those areas because no one can afford to build housing for them.
     
    There are thousands of barracks sitting empty on closed military bases across the country. They were good enough for servicemen, they are plenty good enough for the multi generational non - working. Bonus : Old military bases are surrounded by tall fences.
    , @Anonymous

    There is a reason, outside of public housing projects, high rise developments are not for poor people. They cost more to build.
     
    Above 4 stories, most if not all building codes don't allow wood frame construction, so costs go up substantially.
  138. @jbwilson24
    "In my upper middle class subdivision, there is one house with black residents, one house with Hispanic residents, and one house with refugee Muslims. I guarantee that you could do one drive through and pick out those three houses"

    In my middle class subdivision, which was largely white and east asian until a few years ago, the few hispanic houses are immaculate. They appear to live 12 to a house, but they take care of the exterior like no one else.

    We are getting a major mosque, the first one in miles and miles. The people complaining on NextDoor.com are Chinese, Koreans and Hispanics. I guess the whites don't feel comfortable enough to voice concerns, but the 'minorities' are none too happy with a massive mosque going up in the area.

    Hispanics have not been a problem at all, as far as I know. There are even a couple of professional black families in the subdivision who are rock solid, despite having teenage males. It's the incoming pajeets and muslims that are going to really cause the area to go downhill. We see more and more hijabs in the local supermarket, which is a sign that it is time to move.

    40% of the people in US prisons are Mestizo’s, Hispanics come from Spain not South America and Mexico. Mestizo’s pay no taxes as a group. For every dollar a Meztizo pays in taxes another Mestizo takes almost two in services. Mestizo’s bring nothing to the table but an appetite and they have ruined Southern California.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational, @TKK
    I see the balances on their EBT cards.

    $1200

    $900

    $1600

    How well could you and yours eat on that monthly food budget?

    Ones with welfare plus SNAP ( food) can pull cash off those cards. These obese, truculent, hateful parasites whose only job here is pushing out stupid babies and ironing sheets (sleeping). Its the cherry on the sh*t sundae that they ALL hate whites- you know- the ones whose taxes put the money on their card.

    If that doesn't piss you off, then roll over and prepare to die.
  139. anonymous[976] • Disclaimer says:

    Just check out the county-by-county voting patterns in Virginia. Most of the people who will be impacted are “moderate” Republicans who have embraced mass immigration, voted against Trump, and who, as current or former government bureaucrats, wanted a bigger, more bloated government. Those people, the D.C. area residents, are about to get what they voted for good and hard.

    Of course why Samirah wants to apply it statewide, even in more rural areas, when he could probably limit it to more densely populated counties isn’t much of a mystery. He’s trying to punish every white – especially the Republicans – and not trying to create a law just to solve an actual problem. In addition, duplex-style living is the kind often preferred by clannish Third World families.

    Samirah is the son of Palestinian refugees. We let his family come here because their lives were supposedly in danger. Yet he’s now busy passing Hate Whitey bills. So much for gratitude.

  140. @anarchyst
    To paraphrase a famous song “We Didn’t Start the Fire” by Billy Joel, it’s not every “boomer” that was the problem. In fact, many of us boomers struggled through life, but finally “made it”.

    I am a “boomer” who has worked all my life, starting at 12 years of age. Being one of 8 children, life for my parents and us was not easy, but we all persevered in our own ways and were successful in life.

    Nobody ever gave me anything. What I did was gained “with the sweat of my brow”.
    If there is any “blame” to be placed, it must be placed at those of previous generations, especially the “greatest generation”, that formulated and passed many of the destructive laws and customs that we live under to this day.

    From the enactment of the federal income tax and the creation of the unconstitutional Federal Reserve cartel, previous generations have a lot to answer for.

    The “greatest generation” was duped into fighting a war for European (jewish) interests, destroying much of European culture as a result, and solidifying international jewish power by NOT going after the REAL enemies of human culture, legitimizing the state of Israel, thereby consolidating jewish zionist power, and assuring the jewish zionist hold on the world political process.

    Let’s not forget that the “greatest generation” pushed for the terribly misguided “civil-rights” acts, statutes and laws, which effectively disenfranchised whites (but only whites) with the abolition of “freedom of association” (but only for whites).

    In fact, federal troops were used against law-abiding whites in violation of “posse commitatus” laws which prohibit utilizing the military for domestic law enforcement purposes.

    Whites have been effectively neutered since these laws were passed. Forced integration of schools (cross-district busing and other schemes) was enforced by leftist judges who insisted that blacks needed to sit next to whites in order to learn.

    The “elephant in the room” to which blame can be squarely put on the “greatest generation” was the “Hart-Celler Immigration Act of 1965. This act successfully cut off the immigration for white Europeans while opening up the floodgates for third-world brown and black immigration.

    Both major political parties were responsible for this travesty. Democrats saw increasing third-world immigration as a source for votes while the Republicans saw it as a source of cheap labor.

    The wages of native-born Americans have not increased in real terms since 1970, that point in time being seen as the “high-water mark” in relation to wage growth. There has not been any “wage growth” since then.

    All of the above can be attributed to those of the “greatest generation”…NOT us "boomers".

    To those of the greatest generation (who are still alive), thanks for NOTHING…

    I am surprised at how easily the word “boomer”‘ is used as an insult.

    Baby boomers—the first cohort of which was 1946— did not create the land-use and other cultural structures of the 1950s, which was the “golden age” for the American middle class. The age when the “American dream” actually was attainable for many. The baby boomers were their children. Many of the latter rebelled against the crass materialism and emptiness of fifties suburban culture as glorified in TV sitcoms.

    IMO the biggest mistake a lot of baby boomers made was that once they did “grow up” and start to take care of themselves economically, they did not think very creatively, nor did they plan for the future of their children’s housing requirements. They should have purchased property that they could subdivide into lots for their children, and also build in-law apartments etc. (a form of multi-family dwelling allowed by most single-family zoning) so that (1) their children would have a place to live, permanently if necessary, and (2) they would have either a place to live themselves in their old age, or a place for a caregiver to live.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    IMO the biggest mistake a lot of baby boomers made was that once they did “grow up” and start to take care of themselves economically, they did not think very creatively, nor did they plan for the future of their children’s housing requirements.

    I would say their biggest mistake was not facing the failures of the war on poverty which was really an attempt at equalizing the races through massive levels of government spending.

    Boomers on both sides decided that race doesn't exist and have pushed all kinds of hairbrained schemes to try and equalize the races.

    It seems to me that boomers in general have a hard time with race. They have a much harder time thinking logically about racial issues than other generations. I'm not sure why exactly this is and I don't really care to be honest. It's pretty clear that their hairbrained schemes didn't work and their race-free theories (market or socialist) fall apart when held to serious rigor.

  141. @Observator
    Some say that the whole idea of suburbia was at least in part a civil defense measure. In the early Cold War era it was believed that spreading the population out over a large area would increase the number of survivors in the event of a Soviet atomic attack. Decentralizing the population would also serve to keep them from banding together to effectively resist their massively enlarged government, as had been in the case in the militant 1930s when millions of urban Americans took to the streets in huge protests against Depression conditions. And allowing ownership of a little house on a tiny plot of land would give working people the illusion that they had a vested interest in perpetuating the system that so profited from their compliance. And best of all, there would now be a big new market for transportation, to the great profit of the oil and automotive industries. In the postwar years these powerful interests were industriously scrapping public transit systems and transferring freight traffic from railroads to trucks. The latter would operate on the nation's highways, bought and paid for by the taxpayers, rather than on private railroad rights-of-way, eliminating their high maintenance costs.

    That's the free market fer ya, folks, delivering benefit after benefit to the one percenters while bestowing on the grateful peasants the amazing privilege of living in that happy place trademarked The Free World. And heck, you can blame it all on those surly dusky ingrates and the circle is complete.

    these powerful interests were industriously scrapping public transit systems and transferring freight traffic from railroads to trucks. The latter would operate on the nation’s highways, bought and paid for by the taxpayers, rather than on private railroad rights-of-way, eliminating their high maintenance costs.

    Totally backwards.  Rail is cheap to build and even cheaper to maintain; if the bed shifts you only have to lift the rails, re-shovel the ballast to level it, put the ties back down and spike the rails down again.  This is laborious but doable by men with hand tools.  Contrast with chipping out massive amounts of concrete and pouring new.

    Trucking socializes the cost of the roadway, while rail pays its own way (including property taxes).  Trucks also do the overwhelming majority of pavement damage.  All long-distance trucks should be paying road tolls per mile… or maybe that should be all trucks, period.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @Alfred
    Agreed.

    Few people know that the wear on a road is proportional to the cube of the weight of the axle. Briefly, that means that a loaded truck does more damage than hundreds of cars.
    , @Boy the way Glenn Miller played

    All long-distance trucks should be paying road tolls per mile…
     
    That is why IFTA exists.
    , @Jim bob Lassiter
    Public highways and trucking open better opportunities and greater flexibilities for yeoman producers to sell their produce in a more competitive market.
    , @Charon
    Read truckers blogs if you dare. They're continuously furious at non-commercial traffic "invading their office space" as they put it.
  142. @Not Woke--Not Broke
    joe2.5--------------Oh HELL NO !!!!!---------Suburbs did not kill American cities such as Detroit,Baltimore,Philladelphia,etc.,etc. The Great Migration,aka The Black Undertow killed American cities.Absent the ability to exclude Negro dysfunction,you can't maintain the nice things that make cities livable.

    Please go back and study the whole history of it, especially the role of car companies. You may be inverting the chicken-to-egg sequence.

  143. @anaccount
    Unlike others in my generation I do not throw the term 'boomer' around nor do I find this generation anymore responsible for our plight than others. This type of thinking does not move us forward. Whites need to learn to love and respect other whites (despite faults) if we are ever to move forward as a group and fight our real enemies.

    Unlike others in my generation I do not throw the term ‘boomer’ around nor do I find this generation anymore responsible for our plight than others.

    I’m not a fan of boomers but it didn’t start with them.

    If anything it started with Northerners not having a realistic plan for post-slavery.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    If you read Frederick Law Olmstead's The Cotton Kingdom; Notes on the South you will find that many southerners wanted to ditch slavery but didn't know what to do wtih the slaves. No one really knew what to do with them. Hence the plans to send them back to Africa/Liberia.

    In the end the plan was hatched to give each slave family 40 acres and a mule and let them become independent farmers. Most of them actually did have the farming chops to make a go of farming---after all, why wouldn't they?? But there was intense competition for this land and few slaves were able to hang on to this land they had been given to farm. That was not their fault. That was the fault of the greedy local yokels.

  144. @James Scott
    40% of the people in US prisons are Mestizo's, Hispanics come from Spain not South America and Mexico. Mestizo's pay no taxes as a group. For every dollar a Meztizo pays in taxes another Mestizo takes almost two in services. Mestizo's bring nothing to the table but an appetite and they have ruined Southern California.
  145. @Emslander
    Setting race aside, which it ought mercifully to be in any debate that involves adults, the effect of restrictions on expanded housing in locations that offer economic transportation, nearby services and community support is always a shortage of more affordable living. In California, these arguments are made by conservatives, who point out that enclaves for liberals in desireable locations have made it impossible for traditional large families to live where they once created the culture.

    Single family homes on small plots in vast dead zones of curving blacktops have been recognized for their inefficiency, inartfulness and inhumanity since their beginnings. Race had little to do with it.

    It's too ironic that middle class black Washington bureaucrats who live in those enclaves in Virginia are being used once again by liberal real estate speculators to ruin the neighborhoods their parents struggled to buy into.

    Sorry, why exactly should race be off-limits in “adult” conversations? Are you talking about adult cucks?

    • Replies: @Emslander
    Because adults know that race is never a determining factor in our polity. I have more in common with the black guy my age who raised a family than with all the overeducated boomers who managed to cheat and cuck their way to lonely old age.
  146. @Commentator Mike
    Why all this defense of capitalists? Skyrocketing property prices and homelessness in white countries are primarily due to capitalist property speculation and greed. White peoples' TFR is declining so why this need for new housing? Old white people are dying out and are having fewer descendants so just renovating properties should be enough to house almost everyone affordably. Ah, yes, but these are no longer "white" countries or even majority white as the immigrant population boom explodes inside the borders while new ones keep piling in. And who is responsible for this, who employs them, who profits from them? Capitalists.

    The oligarchs who control the global trade system can hardly be called capitalists. They have rewritten the social contract to enable themselves to assume a role akin to feudal lords. Multinational corporations have become modern fiefdoms.

    The capitalists described by Adam Smith were yeoman farmers and skilled tradesmen who used their profit to increase their productive ability, which in aggregate increased the wealth of the entire nation. The Wealth of Nations was Smith’s attempt to answer the question of why England was so much richer than France in his day. His thesis was that the personal liberty and protection of property rights of the English system allowed for organic economic growth that was stifled by the rent seeking endemic in the ossified, corrupt, pre-revolution French state.

    Our global economic system increasingly resembles the French model that Smith bitterly condemned, rather than the English model which he advocated.

  147. “In a society governed by extreme egalitarianism, freedom of association is but a pipe-dream.”

    Actually, it’s alive and well. It’s just that the Southron’s version was thankfully KIA decades ago.

    Historically, the elevation of property rights has been advocated most stridently by, and of course most to the advantage of, those who already possessed the property. In this context, freedom of association has been used as a tool by individuals drawn by a common cause to deny others from competing on similar footing in the free market entirely–no access to credit, no access to rent a storefront, etc. Russell Kirk espouses that the more widespread is the possession of private property, the more stable and productive is a commonwealth. The opportunities to own property is the vehicle for teaching men and women responsibility, civic values, and integrity, for affording leisure to think and freedom to act, to rise from poverty to accomplishment. Recall that Jim Crow laws denied blacks from fully exercising their liberty to own and control property.

    “Protection…against the tyranny of the magistrate is not enough,” wrote John Stuart Mill, “There needs protection also against the tyranny of the prevailing opinion and feeling.”

    Sir Henry Maine–“Nobody is at liberty to attack several property and to say at the same time that he values civilization. The history of the two cannot be disentangled.”

  148. @Alexander Turok
    Central planning is not what I'm suggesting. That word has a meaning, and this ain't it. I'm suggesting a free market system. If people want to buy single family housing they can do so. And if they want to buy multifamily housing they can also do so.

    Central planning is not what I’m suggesting. That word has a meaning, and this ain’t it. I’m suggesting a free market system. If people want to buy single family housing they can do so. And if they want to buy multifamily housing they can also do so.

    Central planning could have fixed this a long time ago.

    The problem with relying on the free market system it is that it leads to unequal outcomes if race is involved.

    Since conservatives take the position that race doesn’t exist this then allows liberals to push their equalization schemes in order to fix what they perceive as an unfair market. What can conservatives say? They have no counter-argument when liberals claim the market isn’t truly free and needs to be fixed because the results were racially unequal.

    Both sides don’t accept race and because of this we get into these free market/fix the market loops of stupid.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    You know a different bunch of conservatives than I know. Those that I know are largely race realists and HBDers.
  149. @anarchyst
    To paraphrase a famous song “We Didn’t Start the Fire” by Billy Joel, it’s not every “boomer” that was the problem. In fact, many of us boomers struggled through life, but finally “made it”.

    I am a “boomer” who has worked all my life, starting at 12 years of age. Being one of 8 children, life for my parents and us was not easy, but we all persevered in our own ways and were successful in life.

    Nobody ever gave me anything. What I did was gained “with the sweat of my brow”.
    If there is any “blame” to be placed, it must be placed at those of previous generations, especially the “greatest generation”, that formulated and passed many of the destructive laws and customs that we live under to this day.

    From the enactment of the federal income tax and the creation of the unconstitutional Federal Reserve cartel, previous generations have a lot to answer for.

    The “greatest generation” was duped into fighting a war for European (jewish) interests, destroying much of European culture as a result, and solidifying international jewish power by NOT going after the REAL enemies of human culture, legitimizing the state of Israel, thereby consolidating jewish zionist power, and assuring the jewish zionist hold on the world political process.

    Let’s not forget that the “greatest generation” pushed for the terribly misguided “civil-rights” acts, statutes and laws, which effectively disenfranchised whites (but only whites) with the abolition of “freedom of association” (but only for whites).

    In fact, federal troops were used against law-abiding whites in violation of “posse commitatus” laws which prohibit utilizing the military for domestic law enforcement purposes.

    Whites have been effectively neutered since these laws were passed. Forced integration of schools (cross-district busing and other schemes) was enforced by leftist judges who insisted that blacks needed to sit next to whites in order to learn.

    The “elephant in the room” to which blame can be squarely put on the “greatest generation” was the “Hart-Celler Immigration Act of 1965. This act successfully cut off the immigration for white Europeans while opening up the floodgates for third-world brown and black immigration.

    Both major political parties were responsible for this travesty. Democrats saw increasing third-world immigration as a source for votes while the Republicans saw it as a source of cheap labor.

    The wages of native-born Americans have not increased in real terms since 1970, that point in time being seen as the “high-water mark” in relation to wage growth. There has not been any “wage growth” since then.

    All of the above can be attributed to those of the “greatest generation”…NOT us "boomers".

    To those of the greatest generation (who are still alive), thanks for NOTHING…

    I disagree with you, Paul Kersey, and many of the commenters on this blog in one respect. The United States of America did not dissolve “freedom of association” during the black Civil Rights movement that followed World War II that was supposedly institigated by leftists and Jews. The United States dissolved “freedom of association” much earlier… when it began to institute public schools with compulsary attendance. This occured in the mid 19th century, starting in the states heavily controlled by “Yankees”, before spreading to the rest of the nation.

    There is no place in the (federal) Constitution that states that a common citizen is obligated to send his or her child to a government run institution for 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, 40 weeks a year.

    There is no place in the (federal) Constitution that states that the government has the obligation or privalage to create institutions that will warehouse all of the minors in a neighborhood for 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, 40 weeks a year.

    I have no control over who my child mixes with in that institution. How is that not detrimental to “freedom of association”?

    It has been argued by many on the Unz review that the black Civil Rights movement was heavily supported by Jews. It can be argued on principle that the black Civil Rights movement destroyed “freedom of association” in white American, Christian society. But America violated that right of association for many of these Jews when they forced Jewish children to attend public schools full of white “goyim” where they will be bullied and spate on themselves.

    When I attended public schools as an Asian boy, I remember being heavily bullied and spate on by white punks. Does that mean that I am going to hold a grudge against whitey all my life? Of course not! Does that mean that I will argue that whites are more violent than blacks? I might be fooled into believing so… because I have spent all my life and white neightborhoods, not black ones. The Jews and other ethnics who supported the Civil Rights movement were not deceivers… They were deceived themselves.

    Before you demand “freedom of association” for yourself, grant it first to others.

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @anarchyst
    Thank you for an excellent response!

    We are in complete agreement on public schools. In fact, public schools were instituted to make "compliant citizens" that would not (want to) think for themselves "outside the box". Conformity is the rule, and not the exception.

    Brainwashing is a good term to use to describe the activities in these "indoctrination centers".

    If I had my way, EVERY public school would be shut down and control of childrens' education returned to the responsibility of the PARENTS. Of course, there would be those parents who would not take their children's education seriously, but that is indeed the case today in most urban public schools.

    However, I must disagree with you about the role of the jews in the so-called "civil-rights (for some)" movement. Having personally lived through those turbulent times, I witnessed for myself the dishonest machinations and outright destructive behavior by these jews and their "pets" (blacks). Every society that jews occupy eventually succumb to the destructive behavior of the jews. The jews have always claimed themselves as "victims", which is primarily due to their own behavior.

    Jews have always had their own schools where non-jews were not only not welcome, but actively discriminated against. This is still the case today, in jews-only communities such as Kiryas Joel and many others. Non-jews are not welcome, cannot purchase property or send their children to their jewish "public schools". You see, the jewish mantra is being followed: "Multiculturalism and diversity for thee, but not for me"...

    As to bullying, I know exactly where you are coming from. Being small for my age, I too was subject to cruel bullying by others for quite some time.

    Best regards,
  150. @getaclue
    You need to get out-- don't wait. My Father and us experienced this in the 60s-- all white Irish, Italian Jewish neighborhood. My Father had worked double Factory shifts and paid off the 2 bedroom house-- like all in the neighborhood the yard etc. were kept immaculate. Overnight the Jews sold out without a for sale sign to "Africans"-- how they pulled this off...but they did....

    My Father had no experience with black people (Jews either unfortunately for him) as in Ireland at that time they didn't exist (now a good part of Somalia has been moved there due to a Jewish Government Official--true fact, look it up). Soon we all did though, have "experience" with them -- bad experience...-- the neighborhood became unlivable and nasty--you had to be prepared to maybe be murdered or be in a fight for your life at any moment with robberies and murder, things unheard of before, now common-- someone butchered a pig on their front yard in what had been an immaculately kept neighborhood-- Martians might just have well landed for what was going on, people were quite unprepared for it....

    My Father and the others discovered after the sale by the Jew "neighbors" it was basically very hard to sell (the Jews no doubt got a good laugh at that one, they obviously knew they were screwing the non-Jew "neighbors"...) at anything other than a loss and get your money out. Finally my Father sold it -- losing his shirt, as they say, dying working in that crappy Factory to buy a house he had to give away because to stay you might be burned alive in it or else wise murdered -- at the Closing the Africans didn't show up with the down payment as agreed -- he had to pay it for them as it was time to get out as some other Africans threatened murder as to my Mother who was working as a nurse at the hospital as she tried to enter the Hospital building passing thru them, this was the new "reality"....

    It won't get better for you or turn around--Virginia is clearly done on its way to be another 3rd World cesspool like so much of the USA now, DC Dems moved in to VA to get away from what they created in DC etc. same as the Cali migrants fleeing the wreckage there by the Dems there but bringing their "disease" of Leftism with them to destroy where they flee to be it Colorado or Texas or wherever they land....-- the Dem scum politicians have taken over VA and they have declared war and declared the disarmament of the good citizens so the Leftists and their agents can destroy, rape and rob them, replay of the Russian Revolution in miniature for your edification and dissolution.... -- get out and maybe don't lose your shirt and become embittered as my Father did, from what you say though--may be too late already to get your $ out now that the robberies have started....--

    None of what actually occurred in these working Class Irish/Italian neighborhoods was ever recorded in the NYSlimes or the Mainslime Media-- they just made up bs about "white flight" as if "whitey" was just a "Raycissss" fleeing the good Africans for no reason, and lies about Africans being "victimized" in these communities (like the NYC Commie Mayor's wife claims, total bs....) -- no mention of "whitey" losing his shirt to get out, fleeing for his life from the new "neighbors" -- as there was no living in the newly created Lagos -- suddenly a "diversified" community....The Mainslime Media has been the Enemy of the People for a very long time now--liars and Propagandists and owned/operated by the "neighbors" who sold out en masse without putting up a for sale sign, same tribe....

    One Jewish family orchestrated the ruin of the entire neighborhood. Wow. It’s like they have supernatural powers!

    If your dad was too dumb or cowardly to pay closing costs he was not contracted to pay- he was destined to lose his shirt anyway. He was weak.

    The world is full of thugs. You have to nut up. I do it every day. Bring it.

    • Troll: Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @anarchyst
    You are missing the point. You forget that most whites have integrity and pay their just debts. The homeowner attempting to sell in a rapidly deteriorating neighborhood would have to preserve his good credit rating in order to buy a house elsewhere. This is why he paid the closing costs.
    I too was driven out of Detroit by predatory jewish real estate "blockbusting".
    , @AnalogMan

    One Jewish family orchestrated the ruin of the entire neighborhood. Wow. It’s like they have supernatural powers!
     
    Who said "one jewish family"? When he said "all white Irish, Italian Jewish neighborhood" I assumed he meant more than one of each. When the Jews decide to trash a neighbourhood by opening the gates to the barbarian hordes, as it were, you can bet it comes as no surprise to the rest of their "community". The Talmud has rules about that. They work in a coordinated way to ensure that only the goyim get hurt.
    , @Alden
    I’m very familiar with the Arthur Rubloff family of Chicago. Here’s what they did for several generations starting in the 1930s.

    Chicago is and was a very well planned city from 1830 on. Good public transit both to the eastern downtown business office district and the factory stockyards warehouse west side. So it is and always was easy to get from home to any job. Plenty of parks splendid to very modest homes, well arranged shopping streets.

    A typical neighborhood is centered around a park. Bigger, more expensive homes around the park facing a pretty park view. Then blocks of smaller homes. Then a shopping street with everything from branch department stores to little florists, dry cleaners boutiques and some light industry like auto body commercial laundries that provided jobs and services for the residents. And of course the excellent subway elevated trolleys and buses. In winter people could take a taxi home from the subway stop. Of course lots of taverns around the subway stop so Dad could have a drink or 10 before going home.

    Every neighborhood had a lot of 2 and 3 flats and small apartment houses often with 5 or 6 rooms and a big back porch a place to raise a family comfortably.

    Every Catholic and many Lutheran Churches had an excellent K-8 school. There were many catholic, Lutheran and secular private high schools all over the city, easily accessible by the excellent public transit

    So Arthur Rubloff’’s sales men would target one of these ideal city neighborhoods. They’d buy a set of flats and move in black thugs. The thugs would loiter around in a menacing fashion, commit robberies rapes and burglaries.

    Landlords would sell to Rubloff because the White tenants left first and landlords wanted out before the neighborhood turned.

    Rubloff would buy the property and rent to blacks. The Whites would sell at low prices and Rubloff would sell at a higher price to blacks. The building of suburbs no money down for veterans cheap houses in the suburbs made it easy for Whites to move.

    Arthur Rubloff destroyed so many wonderful neighborhoods that way.

    So the neighborhood would become completely black.

    Then , 25 30 years later the next generation of Rubloff’s would announce the discovery of a great neighborhood ready for gentrification.

    Young single and married adults who’d grown up in suburban houses loved the real kitchens and living rooms, good proportions , private schools bought houses and the flats and apartments that were converted to condos and Rubloff made more and more money.
    Rubloff is the reason it was illegal to post for sale signs in Chicago. May still be the law.

    That’s one Jewish family owned residential real estate company and how it contributed to the destruction of one of our great cities.

  151. anonymous[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst
    To paraphrase a famous song “We Didn’t Start the Fire” by Billy Joel, it’s not every “boomer” that was the problem. In fact, many of us boomers struggled through life, but finally “made it”.

    I am a “boomer” who has worked all my life, starting at 12 years of age. Being one of 8 children, life for my parents and us was not easy, but we all persevered in our own ways and were successful in life.

    Nobody ever gave me anything. What I did was gained “with the sweat of my brow”.
    If there is any “blame” to be placed, it must be placed at those of previous generations, especially the “greatest generation”, that formulated and passed many of the destructive laws and customs that we live under to this day.

    From the enactment of the federal income tax and the creation of the unconstitutional Federal Reserve cartel, previous generations have a lot to answer for.

    The “greatest generation” was duped into fighting a war for European (jewish) interests, destroying much of European culture as a result, and solidifying international jewish power by NOT going after the REAL enemies of human culture, legitimizing the state of Israel, thereby consolidating jewish zionist power, and assuring the jewish zionist hold on the world political process.

    Let’s not forget that the “greatest generation” pushed for the terribly misguided “civil-rights” acts, statutes and laws, which effectively disenfranchised whites (but only whites) with the abolition of “freedom of association” (but only for whites).

    In fact, federal troops were used against law-abiding whites in violation of “posse commitatus” laws which prohibit utilizing the military for domestic law enforcement purposes.

    Whites have been effectively neutered since these laws were passed. Forced integration of schools (cross-district busing and other schemes) was enforced by leftist judges who insisted that blacks needed to sit next to whites in order to learn.

    The “elephant in the room” to which blame can be squarely put on the “greatest generation” was the “Hart-Celler Immigration Act of 1965. This act successfully cut off the immigration for white Europeans while opening up the floodgates for third-world brown and black immigration.

    Both major political parties were responsible for this travesty. Democrats saw increasing third-world immigration as a source for votes while the Republicans saw it as a source of cheap labor.

    The wages of native-born Americans have not increased in real terms since 1970, that point in time being seen as the “high-water mark” in relation to wage growth. There has not been any “wage growth” since then.

    All of the above can be attributed to those of the “greatest generation”…NOT us "boomers".

    To those of the greatest generation (who are still alive), thanks for NOTHING…

    Thanks, anarchyst, for a great reply. Yes, much of the destruction was wrought by the so-called Greatest Generation and, particularly, by the following one, the Silent Generation. A lot of Wall Street criminals, far left activists, worst politicians were of the Silent Generation era. Just a few examples –
    Ted Kennedy, Ivan Boesky, Bernie Madoff, Jerry Rubin, Tom Hayden, Gloria Steinem, the post modernists like Derrida and Foucault. They helped infect society with the cancer that’s spreading rapidly.

    • Agree: Old and grumpy
  152. @James Scott
    40% of the people in US prisons are Mestizo's, Hispanics come from Spain not South America and Mexico. Mestizo's pay no taxes as a group. For every dollar a Meztizo pays in taxes another Mestizo takes almost two in services. Mestizo's bring nothing to the table but an appetite and they have ruined Southern California.

    I see the balances on their EBT cards.

    $1200

    $900

    $1600

    How well could you and yours eat on that monthly food budget?

    Ones with welfare plus SNAP ( food) can pull cash off those cards. These obese, truculent, hateful parasites whose only job here is pushing out stupid babies and ironing sheets (sleeping). Its the cherry on the sh*t sundae that they ALL hate whites- you know- the ones whose taxes put the money on their card.

    If that doesn’t piss you off, then roll over and prepare to die.

  153. @Emslander

    Suburbs did not begin with the GI Bill, although it certainly promoted them. Oldest suburb of Chicago was Hyde Park where I live; now of course a dense neighborhood in he city. It was founded in 1851, about when Chicago was starting to become a major city, due to the completion of the Illinois and Michigan canal in 1848. Oldest still separately incorporated and relatively low density community near Chicago, planned as a suburb, is Riverside, founded circa 1870-1880.
     
    There are other enclaves in Chicagoland and they stay what they were from the beginning by strictly enforced unwritten restrictive agreements among the property owners. I know of one on the south side that might as well be an army special forces unit dropped into the middle of Afghanistan. The only problem with it is that you have to turn in your humanness ID card to live there. What they're afraid of is enjoying life all around them, with the occasional tragic event. Better than having a life of sterile tragedy, man.

    If you’re referring to Bridgeport, Beverly, or Mt. Greenwood, I think you’re exaggerating, although if it’s Bridgeport, not so long ago you wouldn’t have been exaggerating much.

  154. @unit472
    So property developers in San Francisco and Manhattan are too stupid to realize the potential of putting up 50 story hoodrat towers. I think not. I think you don't know a goddamned thing about real estate development.The truth is low income people are disappearing in those areas because no one can afford to build housing for them.

    There is a reason, outside of public housing projects, high rise developments are not for poor people. They cost more to build.

    There is a reason, outside of public housing projects, high rise developments are not for poor people. They cost more to build.

    This is correct.

    They cost more to build and the luxury units can be difficult to move.

    It’s a very limited number of people that can afford a penthouse unit and want to buy one instead of a house. The model can work in NY where you don’t have much of a choice. But in LA the skyline hasn’t changed much because people would rather buy a house with a view.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Not as true in downtown L.A. and surrounding neighborhoods any more. New high-rise apartments and condo buildings are going up at a rapid clip. The population of downtown, Little Tokyo, Skid Row, Fashion or Toy District, South Park, and other nearby neighborhoods, increases every year. There are few freestanding houses being built in this area compared to these many TENS OF THOUSANDS of units in the newer buildings.

    Every time my wife and I see another construction site, we say sarcastically, "Hey that's great! Five hundred more apartments we can't afford." I'd add here, "bringing in people who mostly don't like us."
  155. I am all for helping out those people in our society who are less fortunate than I. However, deciding to rework existing neighborhoods for some diversity agenda is idiotic to say the least.

    It is true that environmentally such well to do neighborhoods do not do anything to mitigate environmental issues but there are many things that can be done to green them more than they already are as such communities are doing further out west.

    However, bringing “poor” people into such neighborhoods out of some misguided sense of fairness is not going to do anything but make such neighborhoods less fair and less accommodating.

    What such funding should be doing is developing neighborhoods that can bring in poor elements of society where they can get the assistance they need to become full contributing members of society by getting them out of cultures of dependence (for those that are found to be involved in such since many poorer people do in fact work very hard) while allowing those hard working poor opportunities to advance themselves on their own with newer educational and employment opportunities in such neighborhoods.

    I believe it is Boulder, Colorado that has defined a new model for community self-help and and assistance for all its community members.

    Finally, Virginian Democrats should be more worried about the allowance for people to obtain excessive wealth (ie: like our political leaders), which is causing far more inequity in American society than the current zoning of wealthier neighborhoods…

    • Replies: @Swamp Fox
    Boulder, Colorado...42 acres surrounded by reality.
    Unbelievably high housing costs are the norm in this college town.
    , @Kim

    I am all for helping out those people in our society who are less fortunate than I.
     
    Not to be a dick but it should be "...less fortunate than me."

    Same as we say "He is bigger than me." not "He is bigger than I."

    Essentially, the grammatical issue comes down to the fact that a Clause (a group of words containing a finite - time-marked - verb) can have only one Subject phrase.

    The basic Clause patterns in English are

    S + V He smiled.

    S + Complement He is big.

    S + V + O (direct) He spent the money.

    S + V + Object (direct ) + Object (indirect) He gave it to me.

    So "He is bigger than me" is an example of the Subject + Complement pattern.

    People may protest that we say "He is bigger than I am." which is true, but when we have one clause nested inside another, the rules for clause formation persist in the nested clause. So the here-nested clause "I am" is a S +V clause nested inside the Complement "...bigger than I am."

    Another helpful rule for the I Vs Me subject/object form choice that so many are confused about is that all prepositions are followed by Object forms.

    Thus, for example, we say "Between you and me." and not "Between you and I." And we say "For my wife and me..." and not "For my wife and I.."

    We say it this way because between and for are prepositions and are always signaling that what follows is functioning as an Object phrase.

  156. @Skeptikal
    I am surprised at how easily the word "boomer"' is used as an insult.

    Baby boomers---the first cohort of which was 1946--- did not create the land-use and other cultural structures of the 1950s, which was the "golden age" for the American middle class. The age when the "American dream" actually was attainable for many. The baby boomers were their children. Many of the latter rebelled against the crass materialism and emptiness of fifties suburban culture as glorified in TV sitcoms.

    IMO the biggest mistake a lot of baby boomers made was that once they did "grow up" and start to take care of themselves economically, they did not think very creatively, nor did they plan for the future of their children's housing requirements. They should have purchased property that they could subdivide into lots for their children, and also build in-law apartments etc. (a form of multi-family dwelling allowed by most single-family zoning) so that (1) their children would have a place to live, permanently if necessary, and (2) they would have either a place to live themselves in their old age, or a place for a caregiver to live.

    IMO the biggest mistake a lot of baby boomers made was that once they did “grow up” and start to take care of themselves economically, they did not think very creatively, nor did they plan for the future of their children’s housing requirements.

    I would say their biggest mistake was not facing the failures of the war on poverty which was really an attempt at equalizing the races through massive levels of government spending.

    Boomers on both sides decided that race doesn’t exist and have pushed all kinds of hairbrained schemes to try and equalize the races.

    It seems to me that boomers in general have a hard time with race. They have a much harder time thinking logically about racial issues than other generations. I’m not sure why exactly this is and I don’t really care to be honest. It’s pretty clear that their hairbrained schemes didn’t work and their race-free theories (market or socialist) fall apart when held to serious rigor.

  157. @Beefcake the Mighty
    Idiotic. The “worse-is-better” attitude towards politics has been a proven failure since the New Deal.

    Idiotic. The “worse-is-better” attitude towards politics has been a proven failure since the New Deal.

    Retarded.

    85+ years of the dominant “worse-is-worse” has put us where we are now.

    Smug anti- and non-racist scrunts who presently enjoy the benefits of de facto race segregation on top of the hill should feel the pain of living with divershitty at the bottom. Maybe then they’ll come to appreciate what’s at stake. Or maybe not.

    Never been tried before. So we’ll see, won’t we?

    Sorry if this negatively impacts your equity.

    • Agree: Dannyboy
  158. @Gene Su
    I disagree with you, Paul Kersey, and many of the commenters on this blog in one respect. The United States of America did not dissolve "freedom of association" during the black Civil Rights movement that followed World War II that was supposedly institigated by leftists and Jews. The United States dissolved "freedom of association" much earlier... when it began to institute public schools with compulsary attendance. This occured in the mid 19th century, starting in the states heavily controlled by "Yankees", before spreading to the rest of the nation.

    There is no place in the (federal) Constitution that states that a common citizen is obligated to send his or her child to a government run institution for 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, 40 weeks a year.

    There is no place in the (federal) Constitution that states that the government has the obligation or privalage to create institutions that will warehouse all of the minors in a neighborhood for 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, 40 weeks a year.

    I have no control over who my child mixes with in that institution. How is that not detrimental to "freedom of association"?

    It has been argued by many on the Unz review that the black Civil Rights movement was heavily supported by Jews. It can be argued on principle that the black Civil Rights movement destroyed "freedom of association" in white American, Christian society. But America violated that right of association for many of these Jews when they forced Jewish children to attend public schools full of white "goyim" where they will be bullied and spate on themselves.

    When I attended public schools as an Asian boy, I remember being heavily bullied and spate on by white punks. Does that mean that I am going to hold a grudge against whitey all my life? Of course not! Does that mean that I will argue that whites are more violent than blacks? I might be fooled into believing so... because I have spent all my life and white neightborhoods, not black ones. The Jews and other ethnics who supported the Civil Rights movement were not deceivers... They were deceived themselves.

    Before you demand "freedom of association" for yourself, grant it first to others.

    Thank you for an excellent response!

    We are in complete agreement on public schools. In fact, public schools were instituted to make “compliant citizens” that would not (want to) think for themselves “outside the box”. Conformity is the rule, and not the exception.

    Brainwashing is a good term to use to describe the activities in these “indoctrination centers”.

    If I had my way, EVERY public school would be shut down and control of childrens’ education returned to the responsibility of the PARENTS. Of course, there would be those parents who would not take their children’s education seriously, but that is indeed the case today in most urban public schools.

    However, I must disagree with you about the role of the jews in the so-called “civil-rights (for some)” movement. Having personally lived through those turbulent times, I witnessed for myself the dishonest machinations and outright destructive behavior by these jews and their “pets” (blacks). Every society that jews occupy eventually succumb to the destructive behavior of the jews. The jews have always claimed themselves as “victims”, which is primarily due to their own behavior.

    Jews have always had their own schools where non-jews were not only not welcome, but actively discriminated against. This is still the case today, in jews-only communities such as Kiryas Joel and many others. Non-jews are not welcome, cannot purchase property or send their children to their jewish “public schools”. You see, the jewish mantra is being followed: “Multiculturalism and diversity for thee, but not for me”…

    As to bullying, I know exactly where you are coming from. Being small for my age, I too was subject to cruel bullying by others for quite some time.

    Best regards,

  159. @TKK
    One Jewish family orchestrated the ruin of the entire neighborhood. Wow. It's like they have supernatural powers!

    If your dad was too dumb or cowardly to pay closing costs he was not contracted to pay- he was destined to lose his shirt anyway. He was weak.

    The world is full of thugs. You have to nut up. I do it every day. Bring it.

    You are missing the point. You forget that most whites have integrity and pay their just debts. The homeowner attempting to sell in a rapidly deteriorating neighborhood would have to preserve his good credit rating in order to buy a house elsewhere. This is why he paid the closing costs.
    I too was driven out of Detroit by predatory jewish real estate “blockbusting”.

    • Agree: getaclue
    • Replies: @TKK
    I hear your point.

    But where did the Jews go?

    You forget that most whites have integrity and pay their just debts
     
    Broad overstatement but I agree- more so than blacks.

    When an HOA made my life hell, I sold the property to some Cholo dead eyed thugs that were pretty scary and were probably in a gang.

    When they go low, I get meaner.
  160. @John Johnson
    Unlike others in my generation I do not throw the term ‘boomer’ around nor do I find this generation anymore responsible for our plight than others.

    I'm not a fan of boomers but it didn't start with them.

    If anything it started with Northerners not having a realistic plan for post-slavery.

    If you read Frederick Law Olmstead’s The Cotton Kingdom; Notes on the South you will find that many southerners wanted to ditch slavery but didn’t know what to do wtih the slaves. No one really knew what to do with them. Hence the plans to send them back to Africa/Liberia.

    In the end the plan was hatched to give each slave family 40 acres and a mule and let them become independent farmers. Most of them actually did have the farming chops to make a go of farming—after all, why wouldn’t they?? But there was intense competition for this land and few slaves were able to hang on to this land they had been given to farm. That was not their fault. That was the fault of the greedy local yokels.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    Most of them actually did have the farming chops to make a go of farming—after all, why wouldn’t they??

    Lots of reasons. The guy in the factory who makes widgets doesn't automatically have the "chops" to open up and run his own widget company. Much of farming involves skills and talents and business acumen that isn't exactly an African trademark.
  161. @Beefcake the Mighty
    Idiotic. The “worse-is-better” attitude towards politics has been a proven failure since the New Deal.

    White MIGA-cucks have benefited from the de facto race segregation that exists at the top of the hill since 1965. Time to bring them the YUGE dose of reality that exists at the bottom. No doubt these cowards with so much empathy for less fortunate whites will try cuck, cuck, cucking their way out of this one in the comment threads, ’cause, you know, “worse is worse” and home equities are at stake!

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    You are an idiot, and a vindictive one at that. Conservatives have been saying since FDR that once the people get a taste of socialism, they’ll clamor for its repeal. 85 years later, it’s nowhere close to happening.
  162. who will they be able to shake down for money if whitey flees?

    how will they make it without whitey to shake down?

    it is as simple as that to explain such an asinine position.

  163. @Alexander Turok
    "Outlawing white suburbs" is one way to look at it, another is "pre-empting local laws which outlaw the building of duplexes." No landowner is going to be forced to build duplexes; with this law homeowners have the right to build them, or not build them, on land that they own. Indeed, this law doesn't go far enough. While it shouldn't be absolute as no one wants to wake up next to an artillery range, there should be a strong presumption in favor of the property owner having the right to build what he wants. If there was such a policy maybe housing wouldn't have increased in price so much over the last few decades. Maybe it would look more like food and furniture and electronics, where regulation was not coincidentally much less intense.

    As to the race issue, you're making the same mistake the Democrats make when they speak of whites as if they are all rich and blacks as if they are all poor. The Democrats don't care much for poor whites, but they are every bit as impacted by "exclusionary zoning" as are poor blacks. You ever read those stories about some depressed mining town in Appalachia and think "why don't they just leave?" One reason is because they don't have anywhere to go. Urban and suburban America won't allow more housing to be built.

    I live close to the center of my city, not because I'm a big fan of all that urban life crap. It's because my employer(and other potential employers) decided to put their offices at the core of the city and I don't want to spend two hours a day in traffic. I live in a tri-plex, and thank God my city allowed it to be built. If you're retired, if you rely on internet income, if you are in one of those industries where there's demand for it everywhere, you can afford to sing the praises of the exurb or even the rural area. But if you're like me where there are simply not any jobs available outside the urban core, it's a luxury you don't have.

    You live in the sort of neighborhood that you want. Others should be able to do the same.

    • Replies: @Not Woke--Not Broke
    MBlanco46--------------Regarding "You live in the sort of neighborhood that you want.Others should be able to do the same." --------I live in the neighborhood i can AFFORD to live in.Others SHOULD be able to do the same,minus all subsidies.NO public housing.No Section 8 That would eliminate most of the problem in my neighborhood.
  164. @Mr. Rational

    these powerful interests were industriously scrapping public transit systems and transferring freight traffic from railroads to trucks. The latter would operate on the nation’s highways, bought and paid for by the taxpayers, rather than on private railroad rights-of-way, eliminating their high maintenance costs.
     
    Totally backwards.  Rail is cheap to build and even cheaper to maintain; if the bed shifts you only have to lift the rails, re-shovel the ballast to level it, put the ties back down and spike the rails down again.  This is laborious but doable by men with hand tools.  Contrast with chipping out massive amounts of concrete and pouring new.

    Trucking socializes the cost of the roadway, while rail pays its own way (including property taxes).  Trucks also do the overwhelming majority of pavement damage.  All long-distance trucks should be paying road tolls per mile... or maybe that should be all trucks, period.

    Agreed.

    Few people know that the wear on a road is proportional to the cube of the weight of the axle. Briefly, that means that a loaded truck does more damage than hundreds of cars.

    • Replies: @acementhead

    Few people know that the wear on a road is proportional to the cube of the weight of the axle.
     
    That's because the damage is proportional to the FOURTH power of axle load.
  165. @Alexander Turok
    I'm not demonizing anyone. I'm the one advocating for a free market in housing. It's not about going after the rich homeowner. It's about not allowing him to tell everyone us what they are allowed to do with their property.

    Property over people. Typical Libertarianism. And the reason that Libertarianism is a tiny cult.

  166. @Anonymous
    The most significant issue facing white people has nothing to do with minorities, illegal immigrants, or the parenthetical people. The greatest dilemma that whites face today is our inability to get along anymore. I have many theories about our extended family fallout, but I don’t enjoy typing that much.

    While out and about this Yule season I was repeatedly reminded by my fellow whites that I will always be judged, and subsequently treated very poorly, for my appearance and dress. I am educated and I enjoy a white collar job (self-employed), but our tribe have become so judgmental, biased, and brainwashed that the majority of those of us that I deal with in person are fearful, or at a minimum, wary of me. The irony is that if any one of these fellow, timid whites were to find his or herself in trouble, I would be the only one willing to step forward to knock a couple of black noggins around for them.

    Until we as a tribe remember how to move forward collectively, our present course toward annihilation will not stop.

    I am educated and I enjoy a white collar job (self-employed), but our tribe have become so judgmental, biased, and brainwashed that the majority of those of us that I deal with in person are fearful, or at a minimum, wary of me.

    Sheep are intimidated by confident individuals.

    The irony is that if any one of these fellow, timid whites were to find his or herself in trouble, I would be the only one willing to step forward to knock a couple of black noggins around for them.

    Stockholm Syndrome describes these whites.

    Should you be forced to knock a couple of African noggins around, the white sheep will quickly disappear or condemn you when/if LE shows up. Contrast that behavior to how they would act when you are forced to knock white skulls together. It is completely different.

    Until we as a tribe remember how to move forward collectively, our present course toward annihilation will not stop.

    As long as middle-class whites are able to avoid the negative consequences of individualism, they will continue to do so. To the extent that they are capable of collective action, they will do so only when it is safe, e.g., the examples above.

  167. @John Johnson
    Central planning is not what I’m suggesting. That word has a meaning, and this ain’t it. I’m suggesting a free market system. If people want to buy single family housing they can do so. And if they want to buy multifamily housing they can also do so.

    Central planning could have fixed this a long time ago.

    The problem with relying on the free market system it is that it leads to unequal outcomes if race is involved.

    Since conservatives take the position that race doesn't exist this then allows liberals to push their equalization schemes in order to fix what they perceive as an unfair market. What can conservatives say? They have no counter-argument when liberals claim the market isn't truly free and needs to be fixed because the results were racially unequal.

    Both sides don't accept race and because of this we get into these free market/fix the market loops of stupid.

    You know a different bunch of conservatives than I know. Those that I know are largely race realists and HBDers.

  168. @marxisthater23
    If this was to spread to more than a couple of states, just lol. Time to pack up and move to South America. White people are finished in this country. Deshawn and Jose living in da burbs next to some 500k house. Just lol at the buffoonery in America.

    “Time to pack up and move to South America.”

    The Southern Cone countries, specifically Chile and Argentina, are most attractive in terms of people and climate. Their governments tend to veer between leftist and rightist authoritarian regimes. So that’s a drawback.

  169. @SaneClownPosse
    Here I always thought California was the craziest state.
    Meanwhile little Virginia, with the CIA, and The Atlantic Fleet, was festering away.
    Taking your guns, taking your home, having felons voting in your elections.
    The locus of the American Revolution has moved from Concord to Richmond?
    Maybe Virginia should try seceding again, if it hates The Constitution.

    I suspect Virginia has become a laboratory for leftist elites who wish to move the U.S. towards the Chinese model. Tavistock has come to Old Dominion.

  170. @unit472
    If you look at Fairfax County there are plenty of high density housing developments. They are called townhouses and they cost $500,000. Same thing in Western Henrico County next to Richmond but they are a bit cheaper say $350,000. Quarter acre lots were the norm in the 50's and 60's but the land has become too expensive to build moderate priced single family homes on them. In fact what is happening is people buy those close in old tract homes, tear them down and build McMansions on them. The land is worth more than the 3 bedroom 1 and half bath 1960 home.

    Negroes don't understand the problem. Its population growth not discrimination that drives real estate prices. Only black areas remain affordable because it is dangerous to live there and only 'gentrification' will improve those areas and that drives negroes out to decaying suburban garden apartment.

    “Wherever you find the negro, everything is going down around him, and wherever you find a white man, you see everything around him improving.”

    Robert E. Lee

    • Agree: Dannyboy, TKK
  171. “there is a physical difference between the white and black races that will for ever forbid the two races from living together on terms of social and political equality.”

    Abraham Lincoln – Even the NYT admits he said that.

    https://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/10/abraham-lincoln-racist/

  172. @Monotonous Languor
    "...the property owner having a right to build what he wants..."

    Here we go again. Yet another clueless libertarian allows entré for the left to push their agenda and ultimately achieve their unstated goals, which in this case is the destruction by brown/black hordes of every formerly white neighborhood in Virginia. If there was ever a sterling example of the lefts' useful idiots, you libertarians qualify, plus you turn into disingenuous liars whenever you try to protest otherwise.

    Here we go again. Yet another clueless libertarian allows

    Funny how people can switch back-and-forth between attacks on some libertarian points and embracing other libertarian points. One could get whiplash trying to follow it. The same zoning laws that won’t let him build a duplex could tell him he can’t install a pool, operate a mail-order business from his basement, or possess certain weapons because he lives too close to a school.(Virginia had gun control long before any state to the north.)

    Remember “freedom of association”? A perfectly defensible principle, ruined when taken up in a hurry by the same people who’d been violating it all along.

    Suppose you hired an old black lady to tidy up the house several times a week. I live at the entrance to your “cul-de-sac”, and sit on my front porch with a shotgun to ensure she can’t enter.

    Whose rights, if any, have been violated?

    • Replies: @Alden
    Freedom of association means any black family with the income down payment credit rating and job security the White neighbors have can also buy any house in the block.

    Biggest problem with gated enclaves is that residents have to leave the fortress for work school shopping entertainment etc etc.
  173. I’m sure all those well off Indian Arab whatever’s will enjoy their kids going to school with kids like the ones who allegedly killed Tessa Majors and 100 unit section 8 complexes right down the road.

    It’s only fair. PG MD’s overflowing with District of Chocolate’s ghetto trash. Let some move to Fairfax Maclean and other suburbs.

    • Agree: Lancelot Link
    • LOL: Augustus
  174. Buy a farm.
    If you can’t afford several hundred acres on you own recruit others who are interested.

    When I realized how down the toilet the US was going I started seriously thinking of the time when we might need to move to the family home place…..a farm of about 500 acres my great grandfather established and named Maple Farm. The house has been remodeled and updated thru the decades enough for my grandfather to have raised 6 sons and 2 daughters there. We used it now for reunions every quarter and one of my nephews had an outdoor wedding there.
    If worse comes to worse in the usa thats where we will go and probably be joined by our cousins.
    If the running water and elect goes we still have a deep well connected to a hand water pump, land to feed ourselves and a stable for horses and livestock.
    It has a small grape vineyard so wine making is gonna be a must , although I guess we could build a still …lol

    Actually I wouldn’t mind moving there right now to escape the madness of our society……sipping and sitting on the porch looking out on pastures sounds good to me.

    • Agree: bruce county
    • Replies: @bruce county
    Profits from the farm could go towards the purchase of coils of Concertina Wire and a guard tower to keep the starving criminals and gender zombies at bay.
    , @Charon
    You're lucky. My great-grandfather was similarly industrious and foresighted but his children and their children spent every last cent of what he left them. So I started with approximately nothing. Not that there's anything wrong with that..

    Separately: when you're living way out in the country, what will you do when advanced medical expertise is required? Most everything else can be delivered nowadays.

    The question is not rhetorical. It's one of a very few things preventing me from decamping to the countryside.

    , @Detroit Refugee
    Buy a farm.

    It’s that or “celebrate diversity”.
    These are our choices in the not too distant future.
  175. Virginia, wake up and smell the Bolshevism.

    • Agree: Dannyboy
  176. @anarchyst
    To paraphrase a famous song “We Didn’t Start the Fire” by Billy Joel, it’s not every “boomer” that was the problem. In fact, many of us boomers struggled through life, but finally “made it”.

    I am a “boomer” who has worked all my life, starting at 12 years of age. Being one of 8 children, life for my parents and us was not easy, but we all persevered in our own ways and were successful in life.

    Nobody ever gave me anything. What I did was gained “with the sweat of my brow”.
    If there is any “blame” to be placed, it must be placed at those of previous generations, especially the “greatest generation”, that formulated and passed many of the destructive laws and customs that we live under to this day.

    From the enactment of the federal income tax and the creation of the unconstitutional Federal Reserve cartel, previous generations have a lot to answer for.

    The “greatest generation” was duped into fighting a war for European (jewish) interests, destroying much of European culture as a result, and solidifying international jewish power by NOT going after the REAL enemies of human culture, legitimizing the state of Israel, thereby consolidating jewish zionist power, and assuring the jewish zionist hold on the world political process.

    Let’s not forget that the “greatest generation” pushed for the terribly misguided “civil-rights” acts, statutes and laws, which effectively disenfranchised whites (but only whites) with the abolition of “freedom of association” (but only for whites).

    In fact, federal troops were used against law-abiding whites in violation of “posse commitatus” laws which prohibit utilizing the military for domestic law enforcement purposes.

    Whites have been effectively neutered since these laws were passed. Forced integration of schools (cross-district busing and other schemes) was enforced by leftist judges who insisted that blacks needed to sit next to whites in order to learn.

    The “elephant in the room” to which blame can be squarely put on the “greatest generation” was the “Hart-Celler Immigration Act of 1965. This act successfully cut off the immigration for white Europeans while opening up the floodgates for third-world brown and black immigration.

    Both major political parties were responsible for this travesty. Democrats saw increasing third-world immigration as a source for votes while the Republicans saw it as a source of cheap labor.

    The wages of native-born Americans have not increased in real terms since 1970, that point in time being seen as the “high-water mark” in relation to wage growth. There has not been any “wage growth” since then.

    All of the above can be attributed to those of the “greatest generation”…NOT us "boomers".

    To those of the greatest generation (who are still alive), thanks for NOTHING…

    Thisboomer agrees. Everyone of the attorneys foundations like AJC ADL ACLU Carnegie Ford Rockefeller judges presidents. Senators Vice Presidents congress critters except about 5 blacks& women cease a greatest generation mostly WW2 vet born 1900–1930.

    Brown vs Topeka 1954 to Griggs vs Duke Power 1973 and civil rights act 64 non White immigration 65 Philadelphia Plan 67 affirmative action act 1968.

    Brown, the oldest boomers were 8 years ol, many not yet born. Affirmative action act 1968 oldest boomers were 22, guys in Vietnam gals working low level jobs or just finishing college.

    Griggs and Kaiser were just mopping up operations by an all White male Supreme Court.

  177. @unit472
    So property developers in San Francisco and Manhattan are too stupid to realize the potential of putting up 50 story hoodrat towers. I think not. I think you don't know a goddamned thing about real estate development.The truth is low income people are disappearing in those areas because no one can afford to build housing for them.

    There is a reason, outside of public housing projects, high rise developments are not for poor people. They cost more to build.

    The truth is low income people are disappearing in those areas because no one can afford to build housing for them.

    There are thousands of barracks sitting empty on closed military bases across the country. They were good enough for servicemen, they are plenty good enough for the multi generational non – working. Bonus : Old military bases are surrounded by tall fences.

  178. @Mr. Rational

    these powerful interests were industriously scrapping public transit systems and transferring freight traffic from railroads to trucks. The latter would operate on the nation’s highways, bought and paid for by the taxpayers, rather than on private railroad rights-of-way, eliminating their high maintenance costs.
     
    Totally backwards.  Rail is cheap to build and even cheaper to maintain; if the bed shifts you only have to lift the rails, re-shovel the ballast to level it, put the ties back down and spike the rails down again.  This is laborious but doable by men with hand tools.  Contrast with chipping out massive amounts of concrete and pouring new.

    Trucking socializes the cost of the roadway, while rail pays its own way (including property taxes).  Trucks also do the overwhelming majority of pavement damage.  All long-distance trucks should be paying road tolls per mile... or maybe that should be all trucks, period.

    All long-distance trucks should be paying road tolls per mile…

    That is why IFTA exists.

  179. @Reg Cæsar

    Here we go again. Yet another clueless libertarian allows
     
    Funny how people can switch back-and-forth between attacks on some libertarian points and embracing other libertarian points. One could get whiplash trying to follow it. The same zoning laws that won't let him build a duplex could tell him he can't install a pool, operate a mail-order business from his basement, or possess certain weapons because he lives too close to a school.(Virginia had gun control long before any state to the north.)

    Remember "freedom of association"? A perfectly defensible principle, ruined when taken up in a hurry by the same people who'd been violating it all along.


    Suppose you hired an old black lady to tidy up the house several times a week. I live at the entrance to your "cul-de-sac", and sit on my front porch with a shotgun to ensure she can't enter.

    Whose rights, if any, have been violated?

    Freedom of association means any black family with the income down payment credit rating and job security the White neighbors have can also buy any house in the block.

    Biggest problem with gated enclaves is that residents have to leave the fortress for work school shopping entertainment etc etc.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Freedom of association means any black family with the income down payment credit rating and job security the White neighbors have can also buy any house in the block."

    Not correct. Freedom of association is a right inalienable by government, meaning, the government cannot infringe upon it, they way that it currently does. You are conflating that concept with the idea that freedom of association allows an individual, or group, the right to associate with private parties who otherwise would not have them. It doesn't. The same misconception is made about freedom of speech. The 1A is meant to prevent the G from censoring you, not other non government entities. The same concept applies to freedom of association.

    In a just society, communities would be able to decide who gets to live among them and who doesn't, and who they do business with, free of government interference.

    , @Augustus
    "Freedom of association means any black family with the income, down payment, credit rating and job security the White neighbors have can also buy any house in the block."

    Freedom requires I get to choose my associations, and the corollary is that I have a right to disassociate. As government grows it takes your individual freedoms, it doesn't expand them. We, in a republic, get to choose to vote on how much freedom we give up. White people used to value freedom, but as they slide from the majority, others will make short work of freedoms Whites have valued, unless we are willing to fight to restore out freedoms. Put another way, private property rights are the cornerstone of freedom. That freedom will disappear as our White leftists consort with the others to rob us of our rights.
    , @Mr. Rational

    Biggest problem with gated enclaves is that residents have to leave the fortress for work school shopping entertainment etc etc.
     
    This is why I have proposed the "Members Only" scheme for gated communities, shopping malls, entertainment districts, private parks, office complexes and apartment buildings.  They'd be walled, with membership checked at all entry points.  You'd have to be well-behaved to buy a membership, and your membership could be restricted or revoked for bad behavior or misbehavior by one of your guests.  If any bad eggs get in, they'll soon get sorted out again.

    Imagine what this could do for a "dying mall".  The demographic which does all the mobbing and shoplifting wouldn't be accepted for membership even if they bothered to apply.  Suddenly all the problem people would be gone, and customers would come back.

    Imagine a shopping mall connected to an office complex and a condo complex by pedestrian/scooter skyways which allow no street access.  No street access, no street criminals.  The criminals would probably stop coming around, because from their perspective the area would be a wasteland like an Interstate freeway.
    , @Jim in Jersey
    That is not what freedom of association is at all.

    Hit the books, chief. Unless you’re deliberately trying to steer this conversation in a direction that you wish we would all talk about.

    You’re discussing real estate laws, not freedom of association.
  180. August 8, 2017 Zoning’s Role in Segregation

    An editorial in the New York Times argues that exclusionary zoning reinforces segregation and must be curbed.

    https://www.planetizen.com/node/94154/zonings-role-segregation

    May 15, 2017 The Hidden History of When Black People Were Not Allowed in Towns After Dark

    James William Loewen (born February 6, 1942) is an American sociologist, historian, and author, best known for his 1995 book, Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong, which was republished in 2008.

    • LOL: Dannyboy
  181. @Steve Naidamast
    I am all for helping out those people in our society who are less fortunate than I. However, deciding to rework existing neighborhoods for some diversity agenda is idiotic to say the least.

    It is true that environmentally such well to do neighborhoods do not do anything to mitigate environmental issues but there are many things that can be done to green them more than they already are as such communities are doing further out west.

    However, bringing "poor" people into such neighborhoods out of some misguided sense of fairness is not going to do anything but make such neighborhoods less fair and less accommodating.

    What such funding should be doing is developing neighborhoods that can bring in poor elements of society where they can get the assistance they need to become full contributing members of society by getting them out of cultures of dependence (for those that are found to be involved in such since many poorer people do in fact work very hard) while allowing those hard working poor opportunities to advance themselves on their own with newer educational and employment opportunities in such neighborhoods.

    I believe it is Boulder, Colorado that has defined a new model for community self-help and and assistance for all its community members.

    Finally, Virginian Democrats should be more worried about the allowance for people to obtain excessive wealth (ie: like our political leaders), which is causing far more inequity in American society than the current zoning of wealthier neighborhoods...

    Boulder, Colorado…42 acres surrounded by reality.
    Unbelievably high housing costs are the norm in this college town.

  182. @unit472
    If you look at Fairfax County there are plenty of high density housing developments. They are called townhouses and they cost $500,000. Same thing in Western Henrico County next to Richmond but they are a bit cheaper say $350,000. Quarter acre lots were the norm in the 50's and 60's but the land has become too expensive to build moderate priced single family homes on them. In fact what is happening is people buy those close in old tract homes, tear them down and build McMansions on them. The land is worth more than the 3 bedroom 1 and half bath 1960 home.

    Negroes don't understand the problem. Its population growth not discrimination that drives real estate prices. Only black areas remain affordable because it is dangerous to live there and only 'gentrification' will improve those areas and that drives negroes out to decaying suburban garden apartment.

    ” Its population growth not discrimination that drives real estate prices. ”

    Don’t forget freddy mac, fannie may, and the fed.

    • Replies: @unit472
    True to some degree but not even the Fed can keep property prices up in areas where population is declining. They can only magnify it in areas where people are moving to.
  183. @Mr. Rational

    these powerful interests were industriously scrapping public transit systems and transferring freight traffic from railroads to trucks. The latter would operate on the nation’s highways, bought and paid for by the taxpayers, rather than on private railroad rights-of-way, eliminating their high maintenance costs.
     
    Totally backwards.  Rail is cheap to build and even cheaper to maintain; if the bed shifts you only have to lift the rails, re-shovel the ballast to level it, put the ties back down and spike the rails down again.  This is laborious but doable by men with hand tools.  Contrast with chipping out massive amounts of concrete and pouring new.

    Trucking socializes the cost of the roadway, while rail pays its own way (including property taxes).  Trucks also do the overwhelming majority of pavement damage.  All long-distance trucks should be paying road tolls per mile... or maybe that should be all trucks, period.

    Public highways and trucking open better opportunities and greater flexibilities for yeoman producers to sell their produce in a more competitive market.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    Yes, so?  Suppose someone in Ohio would prefer to get their produce from a local greenhouse, but the greenhouse can't compete with California produce brought in on taxpayer-subsidized trucks and goes out of business.  The consumer loses twice:  first when his money is taken to subsidize the freeway, and again when he loses access to fresh local produce and has to buy stuff that's taken a week or two to get from a distant factory farm to him.

    That's just the economic issue.  Consider the security issues of things which must be brought in from far away instead of having local sources (with local jobs).  Consider all of the tainted food problems we get from centralized factory farms.  We'd be much better off without Interstates.
  184. @WorkingClass
    Old Virginia is making the case for secession. Drive the whites out of the City. Then drive them out of the Burbs. What lies beyond the Burbs? Red America.

    Visit Red America sometime. You will find we are not living in mud huts. We have hospitals and schools and super markets. You will know you have arrived when you see white kids working in fast food kitchens. Freedom of speech and freedom of association could be foundational guarantees of a new Republic formed from a coalition of Counties across State lines. No Cities needed. There is plenty of room for one or several Red Americas. They would look like gerrymandered voting districts. Actual freedom as opposed to a matrix of special privilege might prove attractive to some non white Americans. You don't have to be white to be a citizen of Red America. You just have to agree that it's okay to be white. Or black or queer or whatever.

    White America is gone. It really was a free country. For white men. A new Republic could be free for everybody. Not equal. If you think everybody must be equal in the sense that two plus two is equal to four you will not be happy anywhere. Especially not in Red America where recognition of objective reality is again valued as essential to the well being of humans.

    Let them have the cities.
    Stop the hate. Separate.

    Two places that have very good ideas for how to do this. John Mark (search on YouTube) has excellent ideas. Also
    https://redstatesecession.org/

  185. @renfro
    Buy a farm.
    If you can't afford several hundred acres on you own recruit others who are interested.

    When I realized how down the toilet the US was going I started seriously thinking of the time when we might need to move to the family home place.....a farm of about 500 acres my great grandfather established and named Maple Farm. The house has been remodeled and updated thru the decades enough for my grandfather to have raised 6 sons and 2 daughters there. We used it now for reunions every quarter and one of my nephews had an outdoor wedding there.
    If worse comes to worse in the usa thats where we will go and probably be joined by our cousins.
    If the running water and elect goes we still have a deep well connected to a hand water pump, land to feed ourselves and a stable for horses and livestock.
    It has a small grape vineyard so wine making is gonna be a must , although I guess we could build a still ...lol

    Actually I wouldn't mind moving there right now to escape the madness of our society......sipping and sitting on the porch looking out on pastures sounds good to me.

    Profits from the farm could go towards the purchase of coils of Concertina Wire and a guard tower to keep the starving criminals and gender zombies at bay.

    • LOL: Augustus
  186. @joe2.5
    That's good news. Finally some regulation that makes sense. The abomination of "suburbs" should have been outlawed since 1945. It killed our cities and our "Main Streets" and villages, together with the social structure. It was an effective weapon for killing cultural and intellectual life and transforming most of us into sheep clamoring for the slaughterhouse.

    Suburbs killed some of the best farm ground in the world. Cities…. not so much.

  187. @Justvisiting
    Since these "minority leaders" are believers in a cargo cult, they don't understand infrastructure like city water and city water treatment.

    All Whitopias in exurbia or rural areas need to do is plead poverty and fail to fund the infrastructure = no multifamily housing.

    The states and the feds are broke and can't afford to extend the infrastructure.

    Game, set, match.

    Financial restrictions are in fact the answer to all of Whites’ race and cultural problems. It costs a lot of money to defy nature. When we are poor enough, we will stop doing it. And the surveillance state that currently limits our behavorial choices will also be too expensive to run. This is all good for us.

  188. @Alexander Turok

    is that when “Mr Investment Property” decides he will make out like a bandit on “affordable housing” next door to you
     
    This is a common sophomoric argument, to act like capitalists profiting off of this particular sector is immoral. Do you support a capitalist economy? Or even a mixed economy? Then you support capitalists making profits. If it's fine in other sectors, I don't see why it shouldn't be fine in this one too. I'm not supporting the subsidized affordable housing that the Democrats want, I want a free market in housing.

    the only difference to an artillery range, is the caliber of the weapons fire that predominates.
     
    Sure. But zoning laws don't solve the problem, they just move it. Notably, they allow the wealthy to promote these kind of soft-on-crime policies with the knowledge that it will be someone else who has to live next to all the convicts they release out of humanitarian scruples.

    I want a free market in housing.

    Now do you want a true free market or do you want the Feds to tell you that you can’t say “Close to schools”, “Near churches”, “No Kids”, or “White People Only”? Because if you don’t support allowing the market to freely express those restrictions you do not have a free market.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  189. @Alden
    Freedom of association means any black family with the income down payment credit rating and job security the White neighbors have can also buy any house in the block.

    Biggest problem with gated enclaves is that residents have to leave the fortress for work school shopping entertainment etc etc.

    “Freedom of association means any black family with the income down payment credit rating and job security the White neighbors have can also buy any house in the block.”

    Not correct. Freedom of association is a right inalienable by government, meaning, the government cannot infringe upon it, they way that it currently does. You are conflating that concept with the idea that freedom of association allows an individual, or group, the right to associate with private parties who otherwise would not have them. It doesn’t. The same misconception is made about freedom of speech. The 1A is meant to prevent the G from censoring you, not other non government entities. The same concept applies to freedom of association.

    In a just society, communities would be able to decide who gets to live among them and who doesn’t, and who they do business with, free of government interference.

    • Agree: brandybranch
    • Replies: @Alden
    Ok, whatever. I gather your idea of freedom of association is communal, not individual. Homeowners associations where some board of buttinskies can tell you exactly what shade of beige and only beige you can paint your house and what color flowers doors window frames etc.
    Each to his own.

    OR

    Why we’ll never ever buy a condo either to live in or rent.
    , @Alden
    What’s the difference between a community decision and a referendum that’s voted in or not voted in?
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Sorry but I nave to disagree. The tools of the community are limited. I do have to presume that only tool the community is to ignore unwonted person. If the community resort to harassment then government has a right to interfere.
    Maybe other tool could be to influence the realtor to ask unwonted person elevated price for property.
  190. @Flasher
    Trying to control us. Lol

    Flashing also becomes more efficient in higher density neighborhoods.

  191. @Not Woke--Not Broke
    Dave 453----------Yes indeed. Nothing awakens that inner White "raciss" like actual exposure to 85 IQ Blacks.One of my little SJW coed cousins recently experienced an awakening in Columbia,S.C. An off campus snatch and grab in 5 Points. N#$#^%&&^*& broke my phone.N*&*%^^$ broke my F*&%^$&&^* phone. ---------and a new race realist is born

    Hopefully that experience influences how she votes. At least she didn’t cuck out and blame institutional racism.

  192. @Realist
    Way too many Whites are slow on situational awareness..

    Like those Trump supporters at his rallies who get chased and beaten by protestors. They run like scared sheep, but how the hell do they allow themselves to become isolated when they were with thousands of their fellow Trump fans just moments earlier? Poor situational awareness. The same when you see a white guy get beaten by blacks while he’s walking alone. Poor situational awareness.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @anarchyst
    There's more to the "Trump supporters getting chased and beaten by protestors".

    Almost every Trump supporter has a JOB and FAMILY to support unlike the Antifa types, who are paid protestors.

    Trump supporters KNOW that the "opposition" can get away with their criminal activity as most local police will "look the other way" on orders from their Trump-hating political hacks.

    It's a matter of self-preservation for Trump supporters to refrain from fighting back.

  193. @anarchyst
    You are missing the point. You forget that most whites have integrity and pay their just debts. The homeowner attempting to sell in a rapidly deteriorating neighborhood would have to preserve his good credit rating in order to buy a house elsewhere. This is why he paid the closing costs.
    I too was driven out of Detroit by predatory jewish real estate "blockbusting".

    I hear your point.

    But where did the Jews go?

    You forget that most whites have integrity and pay their just debts

    Broad overstatement but I agree- more so than blacks.

    When an HOA made my life hell, I sold the property to some Cholo dead eyed thugs that were pretty scary and were probably in a gang.

    When they go low, I get meaner.

  194. Fochtmann must love the Sacklers. Sacklers did to working class whites what the Sassoon family did to the Chinese. Opium then, Opioids now.

    https://twitter.com/ramzpaul/status/1211061470181679104

  195. @Steve Naidamast
    I am all for helping out those people in our society who are less fortunate than I. However, deciding to rework existing neighborhoods for some diversity agenda is idiotic to say the least.

    It is true that environmentally such well to do neighborhoods do not do anything to mitigate environmental issues but there are many things that can be done to green them more than they already are as such communities are doing further out west.

    However, bringing "poor" people into such neighborhoods out of some misguided sense of fairness is not going to do anything but make such neighborhoods less fair and less accommodating.

    What such funding should be doing is developing neighborhoods that can bring in poor elements of society where they can get the assistance they need to become full contributing members of society by getting them out of cultures of dependence (for those that are found to be involved in such since many poorer people do in fact work very hard) while allowing those hard working poor opportunities to advance themselves on their own with newer educational and employment opportunities in such neighborhoods.

    I believe it is Boulder, Colorado that has defined a new model for community self-help and and assistance for all its community members.

    Finally, Virginian Democrats should be more worried about the allowance for people to obtain excessive wealth (ie: like our political leaders), which is causing far more inequity in American society than the current zoning of wealthier neighborhoods...

    I am all for helping out those people in our society who are less fortunate than I.

    Not to be a dick but it should be “…less fortunate than me.”

    Same as we say “He is bigger than me.” not “He is bigger than I.”

    Essentially, the grammatical issue comes down to the fact that a Clause (a group of words containing a finite – time-marked – verb) can have only one Subject phrase.

    The basic Clause patterns in English are

    S + V He smiled.

    S + Complement He is big.

    S + V + O (direct) He spent the money.

    S + V + Object (direct ) + Object (indirect) He gave it to me.

    So “He is bigger than me” is an example of the Subject + Complement pattern.

    People may protest that we say “He is bigger than I am.” which is true, but when we have one clause nested inside another, the rules for clause formation persist in the nested clause. So the here-nested clause “I am” is a S +V clause nested inside the Complement “…bigger than I am.”

    Another helpful rule for the I Vs Me subject/object form choice that so many are confused about is that all prepositions are followed by Object forms.

    Thus, for example, we say “Between you and me.” and not “Between you and I.” And we say “For my wife and me…” and not “For my wife and I..”

    We say it this way because between and for are prepositions and are always signaling that what follows is functioning as an Object phrase.

    • Replies: @By-tor
    So “He is bigger than me” is an example of the Subject + Complement pattern.

    He is bigger than me am does not sound correct.
    , @Jim in Jersey
    Really? That’s what you bring here?
    , @Swamp Fox
    On Christmas break from grad school, are we?
    Pedantry is not required here. We all know what he meant.
    , @Alden
    It’s less fortunate than I (am). I is the subject in that sentence, not the object which would be me.
    He’s bigger than I (am) He’s younger than
    I ( am)
  196. @Alexander Turok
    I'm not demonizing anyone. I'm the one advocating for a free market in housing. It's not about going after the rich homeowner. It's about not allowing him to tell everyone us what they are allowed to do with their property.

    You apparently don’t believe in freedom to contract then which is what deed restrictions or HOA’s are all about. It is people agreeing when they buy a piece of property that they will comply with certain terms when they buy it and if they don’t comply they will be required by a court to do so.

    My problem with HOA’s is that sometimes they think they are governments.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
  197. @Alfred
    Soviet Union was known for central planning of efficient multi family housing

    One great thing about the Former Soviet Union and its satellites is that when the collapse came, the people got their flats for free. There is almost no housing debt in Russia, Ukraine, Poland etc.

    You can say what you like about standard Soviet apartment buildings, but they work. People get along and usually ignore their neighbors. Heating is centralized for a whole district or a number of blocks. Shared areas such as elevators, sidewalks and stairs are appalling but the inside of the apartments are usually much improved.

    Of course, if a few percent of the inhabitants were imports from Africa, it would have been an entirely different story.

    Amusingly, I just moved into one such apartment this week. An airbnb deal. The owner turned out to be a Nigerian doctor who came here 20 years ago. When I told him that I had been to Lagos, he shook his head and said "crazy place". He said that even he is afraid to visit Lagos. He comes from Eastern Nigeria. I guess the people in Lagos would target him as he is a "foreigner". To us, all Blacks look much the same. But in Africa it is another story. Also, different tribes have different attributes. They are more different from one another than the Spaniards are from the Norwegians.

    There was an article yesterday in the LA Times that discussed political turmoil in Nigeria. The article mentioned that Nigeria has 200 ethnicities and 500 languages. Or was it 500 ethnicities and 200 languages? Anyways the Times is always pushing the “Diversity is our greatest strength” nonthink line. I guess they missed the irony. Plus the fact that all the ethnicities are negroes as well.

  198. @Monotonous Languor
    "...the property owner having a right to build what he wants..."

    Here we go again. Yet another clueless libertarian allows entré for the left to push their agenda and ultimately achieve their unstated goals, which in this case is the destruction by brown/black hordes of every formerly white neighborhood in Virginia. If there was ever a sterling example of the lefts' useful idiots, you libertarians qualify, plus you turn into disingenuous liars whenever you try to protest otherwise.

    I’m not a libertarian, supporting among other things higher taxes on the rich and regulation of big tech companies. Your criticism of doctrinaire libertarians is spot on. But you and the other critics have not addressed my point about how single family zoning excludes poor whites just as much as it excludes poor blacks. You just ignore it and repeat your claims as if all whites are middle class or rich, all whites can afford a detached house in the ‘burbs.

    • Replies: @Amon
    Hello commie!

    Its not my problem if you or the other white poor people can't save up enough money to buy something better to live in, that is an issue that is entirely your own fault.

    Remember people, communism is never the answer!
  199. @nymom
    I am not sure if allowing duplexes versus single family housing is going to do as much to impact suburbs as you think. The real issue is public transportation. As long as you don't allow much of that whether housing is single family or duplex you won't see much change...

    Once you allow public transportation into an area; however, it's the beginning of the end.

    Public transportation was not necessary where I live to transform it.

  200. @renfro
    Buy a farm.
    If you can't afford several hundred acres on you own recruit others who are interested.

    When I realized how down the toilet the US was going I started seriously thinking of the time when we might need to move to the family home place.....a farm of about 500 acres my great grandfather established and named Maple Farm. The house has been remodeled and updated thru the decades enough for my grandfather to have raised 6 sons and 2 daughters there. We used it now for reunions every quarter and one of my nephews had an outdoor wedding there.
    If worse comes to worse in the usa thats where we will go and probably be joined by our cousins.
    If the running water and elect goes we still have a deep well connected to a hand water pump, land to feed ourselves and a stable for horses and livestock.
    It has a small grape vineyard so wine making is gonna be a must , although I guess we could build a still ...lol

    Actually I wouldn't mind moving there right now to escape the madness of our society......sipping and sitting on the porch looking out on pastures sounds good to me.

    You’re lucky. My great-grandfather was similarly industrious and foresighted but his children and their children spent every last cent of what he left them. So I started with approximately nothing. Not that there’s anything wrong with that..

    Separately: when you’re living way out in the country, what will you do when advanced medical expertise is required? Most everything else can be delivered nowadays.

    The question is not rhetorical. It’s one of a very few things preventing me from decamping to the countryside.

  201. @Mr. Rational

    these powerful interests were industriously scrapping public transit systems and transferring freight traffic from railroads to trucks. The latter would operate on the nation’s highways, bought and paid for by the taxpayers, rather than on private railroad rights-of-way, eliminating their high maintenance costs.
     
    Totally backwards.  Rail is cheap to build and even cheaper to maintain; if the bed shifts you only have to lift the rails, re-shovel the ballast to level it, put the ties back down and spike the rails down again.  This is laborious but doable by men with hand tools.  Contrast with chipping out massive amounts of concrete and pouring new.

    Trucking socializes the cost of the roadway, while rail pays its own way (including property taxes).  Trucks also do the overwhelming majority of pavement damage.  All long-distance trucks should be paying road tolls per mile... or maybe that should be all trucks, period.

    Read truckers blogs if you dare. They’re continuously furious at non-commercial traffic “invading their office space” as they put it.

  202. @Anonymous
    The most significant issue facing white people has nothing to do with minorities, illegal immigrants, or the parenthetical people. The greatest dilemma that whites face today is our inability to get along anymore. I have many theories about our extended family fallout, but I don’t enjoy typing that much.

    While out and about this Yule season I was repeatedly reminded by my fellow whites that I will always be judged, and subsequently treated very poorly, for my appearance and dress. I am educated and I enjoy a white collar job (self-employed), but our tribe have become so judgmental, biased, and brainwashed that the majority of those of us that I deal with in person are fearful, or at a minimum, wary of me. The irony is that if any one of these fellow, timid whites were to find his or herself in trouble, I would be the only one willing to step forward to knock a couple of black noggins around for them.

    Until we as a tribe remember how to move forward collectively, our present course toward annihilation will not stop.

    I couldn’t agree with you more.

    I’m a very friendly and open woman. I’ve lived in the south for 9 years. Haven’t made one single female friend. Not one. The only people who talk to me are those working in retail and who are paid to be nice. There were a few that looked promising and mentioned getting together to hang out. Never followed through. In fact, all THREE of these women when they saw me in a public venue outside of their work, acted like they didn’t know me. Not good for someone’s self esteem, no matter how self assured they are. In essence, they were lying little weasels and only nice to me because they were on the clock.

    There was one woman I met who seemed sincere. Thought we could hang out occasionally and have coffee. Called her a few times, always went to voice mail, or some excuse why she couldn’t get together with me. I finally gave up. It was always something. Her baby doll grand kids, her back was out, hubby won’t give her any money for a soda pop, gotta take hubby to da doctor for heart medicine and blood sugar needles. Give me a F’ng break. (she’s white but I found out a few days she has brown grand children so she’s out).

    I have an extensive tax, public benefits and HR background. I’d have young people talk to me about their tax returns, and other financial issues. I’ve offered my help to do their taxes for free, instead of paying the large firms a huge sum of money to get it E-filed. How many of those young people called me? ZERO.

    My hubby made friends with three men. One is such rough shape physically, he can only get out a couple times of month. The other one just had a heart attack, so he’s out and the other one is getting so old, I worry he’s going to end up in an Alzheimers center. That’s the pick we got.

    I lived in NYC, Los Angeles, Honolulu and South Florida. Had no problems meeting women friends, hanging out and doing things. Not here. I’ve been effectively shunned. I started to get a complex about it. Seriously. What is wrong with me? I’d see women in the stores with their pretty little white kids. Oh how cute your kids are, grand kids are etc…Many give me a weird look like I’m going to swoop in and take their babies to Mars or meekly say thank you and scuffle off.

    A years and a half ago I ventured back near the area where I grew up. Still pretty white and decent. Many of my classmates still live in that area and still like me. They’re all white of course. I’m moving to that area next year. I cannot wait.

    I don’t know if the shunning is a sign of the times or just this area. But I’m not hanging out another 9 years to find out.

    You’d mentioned that you would help these people if Shitavious tried to harm them. I would have before. But not now. I’d end up hurt or dead and wouldn’t even get a thank you. I’ve told my husband, just walk away. Let them deal with the noggins, we just take care of each other.

    I’m no longer mad about it. But I understand where you’re coming from. I’m of the firmest belief that many whites like to be used and lied to. If you’re nice to them, they treat you like shit, ignore them and treat THEM like shit and they’re all over you. It’s like the GD dating game. One I no longer want to play.

    Sorry for my long rant………..your post hit a nerve with me and dug up some shitty memories.

    • Replies: @Sol
    Do you act and talk like a Yankee?
    , @Dave453
    Wherever you are, its not ny, la, south florida, or hawaii. Its gonna be tougher to find like minds. Sounds like you've got a plan. Best of luck to you.
    , @By-tor
    South Florida is most certainly not The South.
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    I hear you.

    I had similar issues over 12 years I spent in western NY. 90% of the friends I made were from outside the area.

    I was an expat for 4 years and had a far better social life.

    I'd take you up on the tax thing if I didn't already have an amazing accountant.
  203. @Alden
    Freedom of association means any black family with the income down payment credit rating and job security the White neighbors have can also buy any house in the block.

    Biggest problem with gated enclaves is that residents have to leave the fortress for work school shopping entertainment etc etc.

    “Freedom of association means any black family with the income, down payment, credit rating and job security the White neighbors have can also buy any house in the block.”

    Freedom requires I get to choose my associations, and the corollary is that I have a right to disassociate. As government grows it takes your individual freedoms, it doesn’t expand them. We, in a republic, get to choose to vote on how much freedom we give up. White people used to value freedom, but as they slide from the majority, others will make short work of freedoms Whites have valued, unless we are willing to fight to restore out freedoms. Put another way, private property rights are the cornerstone of freedom. That freedom will disappear as our White leftists consort with the others to rob us of our rights.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Freedom requires I get to choose my associations, and the corollary is that I have a right to disassociate. As government grows it takes your individual freedoms, it doesn’t expand them."

    You do have the freedom to associate and dissociate! However, freedom of association requires that the citizens of a given area decide whether or not those choices violate the social compact and the rule of law.

  204. @Alfred
    Agreed.

    Few people know that the wear on a road is proportional to the cube of the weight of the axle. Briefly, that means that a loaded truck does more damage than hundreds of cars.

    Few people know that the wear on a road is proportional to the cube of the weight of the axle.

    That’s because the damage is proportional to the FOURTH power of axle load.

  205. @Oldtradesman
    White MIGA-cucks have benefited from the de facto race segregation that exists at the top of the hill since 1965. Time to bring them the YUGE dose of reality that exists at the bottom. No doubt these cowards with so much empathy for less fortunate whites will try cuck, cuck, cucking their way out of this one in the comment threads, 'cause, you know, "worse is worse" and home equities are at stake!

    You are an idiot, and a vindictive one at that. Conservatives have been saying since FDR that once the people get a taste of socialism, they’ll clamor for its repeal. 85 years later, it’s nowhere close to happening.

  206. It is not “Race” that is causing problems. It is “Ghetto”. Cheap housing brings in “problems”. Local agencies complain that mortgages are available in poor “White” areas but not in poor “Minority” areas. The problem is clear if you over-lay crime levels and defaults. If the “Ruling lass” would investigate, convict, and imprison active criminals, the residual population would be accepted in most areas. Currently, zoning keeps out much of that problem.

    A historic Black majority municipality starts on the next street. Friends live on the opposite edge of that community. We all have been in our current homes for about 50 years. We all moved out of “The City” to get away from the chaos. The taxes are nasty in single family zoned areas, but the “Emergency” calls are usually medical issues, not for “Shots Fired!”.

    It is not “Race”, it is “axeholism”. If the concerned “leaders” would cull the degenerates, there would be little or no problem with new residents in the suburbs and reduced pressure to move out here.. “Downtowm” has become one of the most dangerous cities in the U.S. If zoning provides protection from the “City”, I support it. If you want to experience downtown life with armed security at your front door and with shopping in the outback where it is safe, that is for you. I rather enjoy the evening and night traffic on bicycles, roller-blades, skateboards and parents with children in carriages. In the “City”, no one could go out to their car without a “companion”, the larger, the better, and preferably two. The “Democratic Cities” were made into what they are by the lack of effective law enforcement. They shouldn’t hope to solve the city problems by exporting it to our neighborhood.

    If you want a view of the City Hall and the Federal Courthouse from an over-priced “cell” down in the “City”, be my guest. I’d rather see the criminals and “thugs” in a “cell” while I go out to see what kind of owl was in the backyard tree. Zoning and prison will take care of most “White Flight” problems. The “Free Market” and abscence of government “intrusion” is what makes the “City” a death trap and a Ghetto. Enjoy!

  207. @Beefcake the Mighty
    Sorry, why exactly should race be off-limits in “adult” conversations? Are you talking about adult cucks?

    Because adults know that race is never a determining factor in our polity. I have more in common with the black guy my age who raised a family than with all the overeducated boomers who managed to cheat and cuck their way to lonely old age.

    • Disagree: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @Dannyboy
    Then go live with your black buddy in a majority black city, Cuck Boy.
  208. @anarchyst
    To paraphrase a famous song “We Didn’t Start the Fire” by Billy Joel, it’s not every “boomer” that was the problem. In fact, many of us boomers struggled through life, but finally “made it”.

    I am a “boomer” who has worked all my life, starting at 12 years of age. Being one of 8 children, life for my parents and us was not easy, but we all persevered in our own ways and were successful in life.

    Nobody ever gave me anything. What I did was gained “with the sweat of my brow”.
    If there is any “blame” to be placed, it must be placed at those of previous generations, especially the “greatest generation”, that formulated and passed many of the destructive laws and customs that we live under to this day.

    From the enactment of the federal income tax and the creation of the unconstitutional Federal Reserve cartel, previous generations have a lot to answer for.

    The “greatest generation” was duped into fighting a war for European (jewish) interests, destroying much of European culture as a result, and solidifying international jewish power by NOT going after the REAL enemies of human culture, legitimizing the state of Israel, thereby consolidating jewish zionist power, and assuring the jewish zionist hold on the world political process.

    Let’s not forget that the “greatest generation” pushed for the terribly misguided “civil-rights” acts, statutes and laws, which effectively disenfranchised whites (but only whites) with the abolition of “freedom of association” (but only for whites).

    In fact, federal troops were used against law-abiding whites in violation of “posse commitatus” laws which prohibit utilizing the military for domestic law enforcement purposes.

    Whites have been effectively neutered since these laws were passed. Forced integration of schools (cross-district busing and other schemes) was enforced by leftist judges who insisted that blacks needed to sit next to whites in order to learn.

    The “elephant in the room” to which blame can be squarely put on the “greatest generation” was the “Hart-Celler Immigration Act of 1965. This act successfully cut off the immigration for white Europeans while opening up the floodgates for third-world brown and black immigration.

    Both major political parties were responsible for this travesty. Democrats saw increasing third-world immigration as a source for votes while the Republicans saw it as a source of cheap labor.

    The wages of native-born Americans have not increased in real terms since 1970, that point in time being seen as the “high-water mark” in relation to wage growth. There has not been any “wage growth” since then.

    All of the above can be attributed to those of the “greatest generation”…NOT us "boomers".

    To those of the greatest generation (who are still alive), thanks for NOTHING…

    Couldn’t agree more!

  209. @Alden
    Freedom of association means any black family with the income down payment credit rating and job security the White neighbors have can also buy any house in the block.

    Biggest problem with gated enclaves is that residents have to leave the fortress for work school shopping entertainment etc etc.

    Biggest problem with gated enclaves is that residents have to leave the fortress for work school shopping entertainment etc etc.

    This is why I have proposed the “Members Only” scheme for gated communities, shopping malls, entertainment districts, private parks, office complexes and apartment buildings.  They’d be walled, with membership checked at all entry points.  You’d have to be well-behaved to buy a membership, and your membership could be restricted or revoked for bad behavior or misbehavior by one of your guests.  If any bad eggs get in, they’ll soon get sorted out again.

    Imagine what this could do for a “dying mall”.  The demographic which does all the mobbing and shoplifting wouldn’t be accepted for membership even if they bothered to apply.  Suddenly all the problem people would be gone, and customers would come back.

    Imagine a shopping mall connected to an office complex and a condo complex by pedestrian/scooter skyways which allow no street access.  No street access, no street criminals.  The criminals would probably stop coming around, because from their perspective the area would be a wasteland like an Interstate freeway.

    • Replies: @Jim in Jersey
    They’ll just do like they do in Jersey… wait for the folks to walk back to their cars and rob them in the parking lots.

    You can make the mall experience more pleasant by excluding blacks but when blacks are as common as the sidewalks you walk on, there’s no getting away from them.
    , @ben the layabout
    I have imagined that much the same could be accomplished if you had access control that did 100% ID check and perhaps had a admission fee optionally refundable with purchase.
    , @Hibernian
    Sounds like a condo. All kinds of problems. A clique will control it. Your property's not your own.
    , @artichoke
    Minneapolis has a setup like that, much of the central part of the city has an indoor walkway connecting it. It was surely built so people could spend their days protected from the cold many months of the year. It's like an endless mall, and it's basically all business and professional people, it also connects to downtown hotels to bring in the tourist dollar. It was nice when I was there 20 years ago.
  210. @Jim bob Lassiter
    Public highways and trucking open better opportunities and greater flexibilities for yeoman producers to sell their produce in a more competitive market.

    Yes, so?  Suppose someone in Ohio would prefer to get their produce from a local greenhouse, but the greenhouse can’t compete with California produce brought in on taxpayer-subsidized trucks and goes out of business.  The consumer loses twice:  first when his money is taken to subsidize the freeway, and again when he loses access to fresh local produce and has to buy stuff that’s taken a week or two to get from a distant factory farm to him.

    That’s just the economic issue.  Consider the security issues of things which must be brought in from far away instead of having local sources (with local jobs).  Consider all of the tainted food problems we get from centralized factory farms.  We’d be much better off without Interstates.

    • Replies: @Jim bob Lassiter
    Gee, I didn't know that Ohio once harvested lettuce and strawberries in March.
  211. @Augustus
    "Freedom of association means any black family with the income, down payment, credit rating and job security the White neighbors have can also buy any house in the block."

    Freedom requires I get to choose my associations, and the corollary is that I have a right to disassociate. As government grows it takes your individual freedoms, it doesn't expand them. We, in a republic, get to choose to vote on how much freedom we give up. White people used to value freedom, but as they slide from the majority, others will make short work of freedoms Whites have valued, unless we are willing to fight to restore out freedoms. Put another way, private property rights are the cornerstone of freedom. That freedom will disappear as our White leftists consort with the others to rob us of our rights.

    “Freedom requires I get to choose my associations, and the corollary is that I have a right to disassociate. As government grows it takes your individual freedoms, it doesn’t expand them.”

    You do have the freedom to associate and dissociate! However, freedom of association requires that the citizens of a given area decide whether or not those choices violate the social compact and the rule of law.

    • Replies: @Augustus
    Freedom to associate or disassociate was determined by courts loaded with (lawyers) with conflicts of interest many years ago.
  212. Isn’t it racist to force Blacks to live in White neighborhoods?

  213. It is not “Race” that is causing problems. It is “Ghetto”. Cheap housing brings in “problems”. Local agencies complain that mortgages are available in poor “White” areas but not in poor “Minority” areas.

    Way too much quoting.

    You are in serious denial if you think this is all economics. I seriously wish that were the case as it would drastically simplify things and we would have solved these problems.

    Dense public housing actually worked well with the Italians and Poles. Note that this contradicts the conservative/libertarian free market explanation of “big gubmint” never doing anything right. Well it actually was doing something right.

    Care to guess when it had problems?

    The “Democratic Cities” were made into what they are by the lack of effective law enforcement.

    Why did they need so much law enforcement in the first place? Did Baltimore need more or less enforcement during the depression compared to today?

    In rural areas you can find trailer parks where there might be a single sheriff on duty for the entire county. How is this possible?

    • Replies: @dcite
    I grew up in Baltimore. My parents' generation who were adults during the 30s-50s, said there was no problem walking around at night in Baltimore. It was all pretty nice. Then the mid-60s hit. I remember reading in Life Magazine about the shocking crime (mid-60s) that suddenly made the cities dangerous, as if it were a sort of biological plague that inexplicably invaded. Most well-meaning people were forced to believe it was just "poverty" even though, when the demographics were different, similar poverty didn't have quite that pervasive effect. Something about the 60s annihilated the cities.
  214. @Kim

    I am all for helping out those people in our society who are less fortunate than I.
     
    Not to be a dick but it should be "...less fortunate than me."

    Same as we say "He is bigger than me." not "He is bigger than I."

    Essentially, the grammatical issue comes down to the fact that a Clause (a group of words containing a finite - time-marked - verb) can have only one Subject phrase.

    The basic Clause patterns in English are

    S + V He smiled.

    S + Complement He is big.

    S + V + O (direct) He spent the money.

    S + V + Object (direct ) + Object (indirect) He gave it to me.

    So "He is bigger than me" is an example of the Subject + Complement pattern.

    People may protest that we say "He is bigger than I am." which is true, but when we have one clause nested inside another, the rules for clause formation persist in the nested clause. So the here-nested clause "I am" is a S +V clause nested inside the Complement "...bigger than I am."

    Another helpful rule for the I Vs Me subject/object form choice that so many are confused about is that all prepositions are followed by Object forms.

    Thus, for example, we say "Between you and me." and not "Between you and I." And we say "For my wife and me..." and not "For my wife and I.."

    We say it this way because between and for are prepositions and are always signaling that what follows is functioning as an Object phrase.

    So “He is bigger than me” is an example of the Subject + Complement pattern.

    He is bigger than me am does not sound correct.

  215. @Alexander Turok

    Its population growth not discrimination that drives real estate prices.

     

    That's half of the equation,(demand) the other half is supply. This reform will increase the supply of housing, reducing the price.

    It may reduce the price, but the cost will go up.

  216. @renfro
    Buy a farm.
    If you can't afford several hundred acres on you own recruit others who are interested.

    When I realized how down the toilet the US was going I started seriously thinking of the time when we might need to move to the family home place.....a farm of about 500 acres my great grandfather established and named Maple Farm. The house has been remodeled and updated thru the decades enough for my grandfather to have raised 6 sons and 2 daughters there. We used it now for reunions every quarter and one of my nephews had an outdoor wedding there.
    If worse comes to worse in the usa thats where we will go and probably be joined by our cousins.
    If the running water and elect goes we still have a deep well connected to a hand water pump, land to feed ourselves and a stable for horses and livestock.
    It has a small grape vineyard so wine making is gonna be a must , although I guess we could build a still ...lol

    Actually I wouldn't mind moving there right now to escape the madness of our society......sipping and sitting on the porch looking out on pastures sounds good to me.

    Buy a farm.

    It’s that or “celebrate diversity”.
    These are our choices in the not too distant future.

    • Replies: @Bothered
    Yes but you have to understand once they have the numbers, you won’t be able to assume you can keep your property.
  217. @Just passing through

    Until we as a tribe remember how to move forward collectively, our present course toward annihilation will not stop.
     
    Whites do move forward collectively, just not in things that matter and instead things like boycotting the new Star Wars movie because the plot offends their sensibilities. LOL

    Or we see boycotting Hollywood (not funding political forces that hate us) as a low hanging fruit test case. If we can’t do something as simple as that in a world with a hundred other alternate sources of entertainment, then what can we do?

    I run into the dumb cucks, usually older types, who think if we only patronize “conservative” films there will be this renaissance of good filmmaking again, and Hollywood will see the light. These are white males 40 years past the age they should know better. No, Hollywood will just start pandering with fake patriotism and funnel the box office to the Left like before.

    The reason whites are losing is because they’ve become a pack of blind, blithering dumbf##ks.

    • Replies: @Jim in Jersey
    Zzzzzzz

    Flinging insults in every direction.

    Go make a friend.
  218. @Kim

    I am all for helping out those people in our society who are less fortunate than I.
     
    Not to be a dick but it should be "...less fortunate than me."

    Same as we say "He is bigger than me." not "He is bigger than I."

    Essentially, the grammatical issue comes down to the fact that a Clause (a group of words containing a finite - time-marked - verb) can have only one Subject phrase.

    The basic Clause patterns in English are

    S + V He smiled.

    S + Complement He is big.

    S + V + O (direct) He spent the money.

    S + V + Object (direct ) + Object (indirect) He gave it to me.

    So "He is bigger than me" is an example of the Subject + Complement pattern.

    People may protest that we say "He is bigger than I am." which is true, but when we have one clause nested inside another, the rules for clause formation persist in the nested clause. So the here-nested clause "I am" is a S +V clause nested inside the Complement "...bigger than I am."

    Another helpful rule for the I Vs Me subject/object form choice that so many are confused about is that all prepositions are followed by Object forms.

    Thus, for example, we say "Between you and me." and not "Between you and I." And we say "For my wife and me..." and not "For my wife and I.."

    We say it this way because between and for are prepositions and are always signaling that what follows is functioning as an Object phrase.

    Really? That’s what you bring here?

    • Replies: @AnalogMan
    Does that offend you?

    Mr Rational explained this nicely some time ago. People who write ungrammatically discredit their own message, and make the rest of us on this site look like a bunch of ignoramuses (ignorami?). Any effort to improve the quality of this comment section should be appreciated, not derided.

    People here are always complaining about a lack of White cohesion. Let's start with a little more tolerance of views that are, at the very least, not hostile. Or, as the kids say, chill, man.
  219. @Alden
    Freedom of association means any black family with the income down payment credit rating and job security the White neighbors have can also buy any house in the block.

    Biggest problem with gated enclaves is that residents have to leave the fortress for work school shopping entertainment etc etc.

    That is not what freedom of association is at all.

    Hit the books, chief. Unless you’re deliberately trying to steer this conversation in a direction that you wish we would all talk about.

    You’re discussing real estate laws, not freedom of association.

    • Agree: AnalogMan
  220. They really wanna make access to white people a human right.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    They really wanna make access to white people a human right.
     
    You forgot to add:  "... for everyone BUT White people."

    Ain't gonna happen anyway; the USA is already out of White kids in public schools.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    Instead of freedom of association they want freedom of appropriation.
  221. @TKK
    One Jewish family orchestrated the ruin of the entire neighborhood. Wow. It's like they have supernatural powers!

    If your dad was too dumb or cowardly to pay closing costs he was not contracted to pay- he was destined to lose his shirt anyway. He was weak.

    The world is full of thugs. You have to nut up. I do it every day. Bring it.

    One Jewish family orchestrated the ruin of the entire neighborhood. Wow. It’s like they have supernatural powers!

    Who said “one jewish family”? When he said “all white Irish, Italian Jewish neighborhood” I assumed he meant more than one of each. When the Jews decide to trash a neighbourhood by opening the gates to the barbarian hordes, as it were, you can bet it comes as no surprise to the rest of their “community”. The Talmud has rules about that. They work in a coordinated way to ensure that only the goyim get hurt.

    • Replies: @Dave453
    Yea well one of their favorite bio weapons has been turning on them, especially in ny
  222. @Annie Oakley
    I couldn't agree with you more.

    I'm a very friendly and open woman. I've lived in the south for 9 years. Haven't made one single female friend. Not one. The only people who talk to me are those working in retail and who are paid to be nice. There were a few that looked promising and mentioned getting together to hang out. Never followed through. In fact, all THREE of these women when they saw me in a public venue outside of their work, acted like they didn't know me. Not good for someone's self esteem, no matter how self assured they are. In essence, they were lying little weasels and only nice to me because they were on the clock.

    There was one woman I met who seemed sincere. Thought we could hang out occasionally and have coffee. Called her a few times, always went to voice mail, or some excuse why she couldn't get together with me. I finally gave up. It was always something. Her baby doll grand kids, her back was out, hubby won't give her any money for a soda pop, gotta take hubby to da doctor for heart medicine and blood sugar needles. Give me a F'ng break. (she's white but I found out a few days she has brown grand children so she's out).

    I have an extensive tax, public benefits and HR background. I'd have young people talk to me about their tax returns, and other financial issues. I've offered my help to do their taxes for free, instead of paying the large firms a huge sum of money to get it E-filed. How many of those young people called me? ZERO.

    My hubby made friends with three men. One is such rough shape physically, he can only get out a couple times of month. The other one just had a heart attack, so he's out and the other one is getting so old, I worry he's going to end up in an Alzheimers center. That's the pick we got.

    I lived in NYC, Los Angeles, Honolulu and South Florida. Had no problems meeting women friends, hanging out and doing things. Not here. I've been effectively shunned. I started to get a complex about it. Seriously. What is wrong with me? I'd see women in the stores with their pretty little white kids. Oh how cute your kids are, grand kids are etc...Many give me a weird look like I'm going to swoop in and take their babies to Mars or meekly say thank you and scuffle off.

    A years and a half ago I ventured back near the area where I grew up. Still pretty white and decent. Many of my classmates still live in that area and still like me. They're all white of course. I'm moving to that area next year. I cannot wait.

    I don't know if the shunning is a sign of the times or just this area. But I'm not hanging out another 9 years to find out.

    You'd mentioned that you would help these people if Shitavious tried to harm them. I would have before. But not now. I'd end up hurt or dead and wouldn't even get a thank you. I've told my husband, just walk away. Let them deal with the noggins, we just take care of each other.

    I'm no longer mad about it. But I understand where you're coming from. I'm of the firmest belief that many whites like to be used and lied to. If you're nice to them, they treat you like shit, ignore them and treat THEM like shit and they're all over you. It's like the GD dating game. One I no longer want to play.

    Sorry for my long rant...........your post hit a nerve with me and dug up some shitty memories.

    Do you act and talk like a Yankee?

    • Replies: @Annie Oakley
    What is talking and acting like a Yankee?

    If talking and acting like a Yankee means not smoking, dipping snuff, having a gaggle of tattoos, a mixed race baby or grand baby, phone free of debt collectors calling every 30 minutes, a criminal record, weighing 400 pounds, worshipping negro footballers, living off of disability, everything fried, then I guess that means you're a Yankee. Give me F'ng break.

    I'm a white woman. A good one. A damn good one. Someone that is far better for this county than some of the untermenschen I encounter. I was born in this country, my family has been around for hundreds of years.

    And for the record, many of the little shits around here aren't FROM the south, they moved here a few years ago from other little trashy skanky towns. A lot of them I found later have serious criminal records and the reason they're here is they have nowhere else to go. The only job they can find is retail at the Dollar Tree and they're grown ups!
  223. @bingo
    They really wanna make access to white people a human right.

    They really wanna make access to white people a human right.

    You forgot to add:  “… for everyone BUT White people.”

    Ain’t gonna happen anyway; the USA is already out of White kids in public schools.

  224. @flashlight joe
    " Its population growth not discrimination that drives real estate prices. "

    Don't forget freddy mac, fannie may, and the fed.

    True to some degree but not even the Fed can keep property prices up in areas where population is declining. They can only magnify it in areas where people are moving to.

  225. @Kim

    I am all for helping out those people in our society who are less fortunate than I.
     
    Not to be a dick but it should be "...less fortunate than me."

    Same as we say "He is bigger than me." not "He is bigger than I."

    Essentially, the grammatical issue comes down to the fact that a Clause (a group of words containing a finite - time-marked - verb) can have only one Subject phrase.

    The basic Clause patterns in English are

    S + V He smiled.

    S + Complement He is big.

    S + V + O (direct) He spent the money.

    S + V + Object (direct ) + Object (indirect) He gave it to me.

    So "He is bigger than me" is an example of the Subject + Complement pattern.

    People may protest that we say "He is bigger than I am." which is true, but when we have one clause nested inside another, the rules for clause formation persist in the nested clause. So the here-nested clause "I am" is a S +V clause nested inside the Complement "...bigger than I am."

    Another helpful rule for the I Vs Me subject/object form choice that so many are confused about is that all prepositions are followed by Object forms.

    Thus, for example, we say "Between you and me." and not "Between you and I." And we say "For my wife and me..." and not "For my wife and I.."

    We say it this way because between and for are prepositions and are always signaling that what follows is functioning as an Object phrase.

    On Christmas break from grad school, are we?
    Pedantry is not required here. We all know what he meant.

  226. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Freedom of association means any black family with the income down payment credit rating and job security the White neighbors have can also buy any house in the block."

    Not correct. Freedom of association is a right inalienable by government, meaning, the government cannot infringe upon it, they way that it currently does. You are conflating that concept with the idea that freedom of association allows an individual, or group, the right to associate with private parties who otherwise would not have them. It doesn't. The same misconception is made about freedom of speech. The 1A is meant to prevent the G from censoring you, not other non government entities. The same concept applies to freedom of association.

    In a just society, communities would be able to decide who gets to live among them and who doesn't, and who they do business with, free of government interference.

    Ok, whatever. I gather your idea of freedom of association is communal, not individual. Homeowners associations where some board of buttinskies can tell you exactly what shade of beige and only beige you can paint your house and what color flowers doors window frames etc.
    Each to his own.

    OR

    Why we’ll never ever buy a condo either to live in or rent.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    " I gather your idea of freedom of association is communal, not individual."

    It has to be communal. Association requires at least two people in agreement. How can you as an individual, freely associate with me if I don't want to associate with you?

    As far as your criticisms of HOAs go, all I can tell you is an individual is free to choose whether or not to live in one based on its rules.

    Anyway, much of the debate over freedom of association would be unnecessary if we lived in a homogeneous country.
  227. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Freedom of association means any black family with the income down payment credit rating and job security the White neighbors have can also buy any house in the block."

    Not correct. Freedom of association is a right inalienable by government, meaning, the government cannot infringe upon it, they way that it currently does. You are conflating that concept with the idea that freedom of association allows an individual, or group, the right to associate with private parties who otherwise would not have them. It doesn't. The same misconception is made about freedom of speech. The 1A is meant to prevent the G from censoring you, not other non government entities. The same concept applies to freedom of association.

    In a just society, communities would be able to decide who gets to live among them and who doesn't, and who they do business with, free of government interference.

    What’s the difference between a community decision and a referendum that’s voted in or not voted in?

  228. @Alden
    Ok, whatever. I gather your idea of freedom of association is communal, not individual. Homeowners associations where some board of buttinskies can tell you exactly what shade of beige and only beige you can paint your house and what color flowers doors window frames etc.
    Each to his own.

    OR

    Why we’ll never ever buy a condo either to live in or rent.

    ” I gather your idea of freedom of association is communal, not individual.”

    It has to be communal. Association requires at least two people in agreement. How can you as an individual, freely associate with me if I don’t want to associate with you?

    As far as your criticisms of HOAs go, all I can tell you is an individual is free to choose whether or not to live in one based on its rules.

    Anyway, much of the debate over freedom of association would be unnecessary if we lived in a homogeneous country.

    • Replies: @Alden
    To each his own. I’m happy to live in an apartment house I own. And control daily, monthly and major maintenance, admit only tenants who meet certain criteria, control the budget and hire and fire the employees.

    But in a condo or HOA full of idiot buttinskies who know nothing about construction yearly roto rootering the sewer pipes, building codes running a crew, weekly walk arounds and regular and major maintenance no thanks.

    If the manager wants to put a Christmas tree in the lobby, he asks me. If a manager screws up the book keeping or annoys tenants or the work crew I fire him. If some atheist objects to Christmas decorations they can move or shut up about it.

    Condos fall apart because the owners associations know nothing about maintainece and construction. They are bland and ugly because the owners know nothing about decoration, design and proportion.

    HOAs all want beige exterior paint. That color should be outlawed.

  229. @bingo
    They really wanna make access to white people a human right.

    Instead of freedom of association they want freedom of appropriation.

  230. @MBlanc46
    You live in the sort of neighborhood that you want. Others should be able to do the same.

    MBlanco46————–Regarding “You live in the sort of neighborhood that you want.Others should be able to do the same.” ——–I live in the neighborhood i can AFFORD to live in.Others SHOULD be able to do the same,minus all subsidies.NO public housing.No Section 8 That would eliminate most of the problem in my neighborhood.

  231. @Annie Oakley
    I couldn't agree with you more.

    I'm a very friendly and open woman. I've lived in the south for 9 years. Haven't made one single female friend. Not one. The only people who talk to me are those working in retail and who are paid to be nice. There were a few that looked promising and mentioned getting together to hang out. Never followed through. In fact, all THREE of these women when they saw me in a public venue outside of their work, acted like they didn't know me. Not good for someone's self esteem, no matter how self assured they are. In essence, they were lying little weasels and only nice to me because they were on the clock.

    There was one woman I met who seemed sincere. Thought we could hang out occasionally and have coffee. Called her a few times, always went to voice mail, or some excuse why she couldn't get together with me. I finally gave up. It was always something. Her baby doll grand kids, her back was out, hubby won't give her any money for a soda pop, gotta take hubby to da doctor for heart medicine and blood sugar needles. Give me a F'ng break. (she's white but I found out a few days she has brown grand children so she's out).

    I have an extensive tax, public benefits and HR background. I'd have young people talk to me about their tax returns, and other financial issues. I've offered my help to do their taxes for free, instead of paying the large firms a huge sum of money to get it E-filed. How many of those young people called me? ZERO.

    My hubby made friends with three men. One is such rough shape physically, he can only get out a couple times of month. The other one just had a heart attack, so he's out and the other one is getting so old, I worry he's going to end up in an Alzheimers center. That's the pick we got.

    I lived in NYC, Los Angeles, Honolulu and South Florida. Had no problems meeting women friends, hanging out and doing things. Not here. I've been effectively shunned. I started to get a complex about it. Seriously. What is wrong with me? I'd see women in the stores with their pretty little white kids. Oh how cute your kids are, grand kids are etc...Many give me a weird look like I'm going to swoop in and take their babies to Mars or meekly say thank you and scuffle off.

    A years and a half ago I ventured back near the area where I grew up. Still pretty white and decent. Many of my classmates still live in that area and still like me. They're all white of course. I'm moving to that area next year. I cannot wait.

    I don't know if the shunning is a sign of the times or just this area. But I'm not hanging out another 9 years to find out.

    You'd mentioned that you would help these people if Shitavious tried to harm them. I would have before. But not now. I'd end up hurt or dead and wouldn't even get a thank you. I've told my husband, just walk away. Let them deal with the noggins, we just take care of each other.

    I'm no longer mad about it. But I understand where you're coming from. I'm of the firmest belief that many whites like to be used and lied to. If you're nice to them, they treat you like shit, ignore them and treat THEM like shit and they're all over you. It's like the GD dating game. One I no longer want to play.

    Sorry for my long rant...........your post hit a nerve with me and dug up some shitty memories.

    Wherever you are, its not ny, la, south florida, or hawaii. Its gonna be tougher to find like minds. Sounds like you’ve got a plan. Best of luck to you.

  232. @Inque Yutani
    Or we see boycotting Hollywood (not funding political forces that hate us) as a low hanging fruit test case. If we can’t do something as simple as that in a world with a hundred other alternate sources of entertainment, then what can we do?

    I run into the dumb cucks, usually older types, who think if we only patronize “conservative” films there will be this renaissance of good filmmaking again, and Hollywood will see the light. These are white males 40 years past the age they should know better. No, Hollywood will just start pandering with fake patriotism and funnel the box office to the Left like before.

    The reason whites are losing is because they’ve become a pack of blind, blithering dumbf##ks.

    Zzzzzzz

    Flinging insults in every direction.

    Go make a friend.

    • Agree: Augustus
  233. @Emslander

    Suburbs did not begin with the GI Bill, although it certainly promoted them. Oldest suburb of Chicago was Hyde Park where I live; now of course a dense neighborhood in he city. It was founded in 1851, about when Chicago was starting to become a major city, due to the completion of the Illinois and Michigan canal in 1848. Oldest still separately incorporated and relatively low density community near Chicago, planned as a suburb, is Riverside, founded circa 1870-1880.
     
    There are other enclaves in Chicagoland and they stay what they were from the beginning by strictly enforced unwritten restrictive agreements among the property owners. I know of one on the south side that might as well be an army special forces unit dropped into the middle of Afghanistan. The only problem with it is that you have to turn in your humanness ID card to live there. What they're afraid of is enjoying life all around them, with the occasional tragic event. Better than having a life of sterile tragedy, man.

    Is that the Beverly neighborhood of Chicago?

  234. @AnalogMan

    One Jewish family orchestrated the ruin of the entire neighborhood. Wow. It’s like they have supernatural powers!
     
    Who said "one jewish family"? When he said "all white Irish, Italian Jewish neighborhood" I assumed he meant more than one of each. When the Jews decide to trash a neighbourhood by opening the gates to the barbarian hordes, as it were, you can bet it comes as no surprise to the rest of their "community". The Talmud has rules about that. They work in a coordinated way to ensure that only the goyim get hurt.

    Yea well one of their favorite bio weapons has been turning on them, especially in ny

    • Agree: anaccount
  235. @MikeatMikedotMike
    " I gather your idea of freedom of association is communal, not individual."

    It has to be communal. Association requires at least two people in agreement. How can you as an individual, freely associate with me if I don't want to associate with you?

    As far as your criticisms of HOAs go, all I can tell you is an individual is free to choose whether or not to live in one based on its rules.

    Anyway, much of the debate over freedom of association would be unnecessary if we lived in a homogeneous country.

    To each his own. I’m happy to live in an apartment house I own. And control daily, monthly and major maintenance, admit only tenants who meet certain criteria, control the budget and hire and fire the employees.

    But in a condo or HOA full of idiot buttinskies who know nothing about construction yearly roto rootering the sewer pipes, building codes running a crew, weekly walk arounds and regular and major maintenance no thanks.

    If the manager wants to put a Christmas tree in the lobby, he asks me. If a manager screws up the book keeping or annoys tenants or the work crew I fire him. If some atheist objects to Christmas decorations they can move or shut up about it.

    Condos fall apart because the owners associations know nothing about maintainece and construction. They are bland and ugly because the owners know nothing about decoration, design and proportion.

    HOAs all want beige exterior paint. That color should be outlawed.

    • Replies: @AnalogMan
    So, what you're saying is, the only good HOA is you?
  236. @Annie Oakley
    I couldn't agree with you more.

    I'm a very friendly and open woman. I've lived in the south for 9 years. Haven't made one single female friend. Not one. The only people who talk to me are those working in retail and who are paid to be nice. There were a few that looked promising and mentioned getting together to hang out. Never followed through. In fact, all THREE of these women when they saw me in a public venue outside of their work, acted like they didn't know me. Not good for someone's self esteem, no matter how self assured they are. In essence, they were lying little weasels and only nice to me because they were on the clock.

    There was one woman I met who seemed sincere. Thought we could hang out occasionally and have coffee. Called her a few times, always went to voice mail, or some excuse why she couldn't get together with me. I finally gave up. It was always something. Her baby doll grand kids, her back was out, hubby won't give her any money for a soda pop, gotta take hubby to da doctor for heart medicine and blood sugar needles. Give me a F'ng break. (she's white but I found out a few days she has brown grand children so she's out).

    I have an extensive tax, public benefits and HR background. I'd have young people talk to me about their tax returns, and other financial issues. I've offered my help to do their taxes for free, instead of paying the large firms a huge sum of money to get it E-filed. How many of those young people called me? ZERO.

    My hubby made friends with three men. One is such rough shape physically, he can only get out a couple times of month. The other one just had a heart attack, so he's out and the other one is getting so old, I worry he's going to end up in an Alzheimers center. That's the pick we got.

    I lived in NYC, Los Angeles, Honolulu and South Florida. Had no problems meeting women friends, hanging out and doing things. Not here. I've been effectively shunned. I started to get a complex about it. Seriously. What is wrong with me? I'd see women in the stores with their pretty little white kids. Oh how cute your kids are, grand kids are etc...Many give me a weird look like I'm going to swoop in and take their babies to Mars or meekly say thank you and scuffle off.

    A years and a half ago I ventured back near the area where I grew up. Still pretty white and decent. Many of my classmates still live in that area and still like me. They're all white of course. I'm moving to that area next year. I cannot wait.

    I don't know if the shunning is a sign of the times or just this area. But I'm not hanging out another 9 years to find out.

    You'd mentioned that you would help these people if Shitavious tried to harm them. I would have before. But not now. I'd end up hurt or dead and wouldn't even get a thank you. I've told my husband, just walk away. Let them deal with the noggins, we just take care of each other.

    I'm no longer mad about it. But I understand where you're coming from. I'm of the firmest belief that many whites like to be used and lied to. If you're nice to them, they treat you like shit, ignore them and treat THEM like shit and they're all over you. It's like the GD dating game. One I no longer want to play.

    Sorry for my long rant...........your post hit a nerve with me and dug up some shitty memories.

    South Florida is most certainly not The South.

    • Replies: @Annie Oakley
    South Florida is a multicultural mess. Most of the whites who live there now or who did came from somewhere. They have don't have that outsider nonsense.

    I never said South Fl was the south.
  237. @Kim

    I am all for helping out those people in our society who are less fortunate than I.
     
    Not to be a dick but it should be "...less fortunate than me."

    Same as we say "He is bigger than me." not "He is bigger than I."

    Essentially, the grammatical issue comes down to the fact that a Clause (a group of words containing a finite - time-marked - verb) can have only one Subject phrase.

    The basic Clause patterns in English are

    S + V He smiled.

    S + Complement He is big.

    S + V + O (direct) He spent the money.

    S + V + Object (direct ) + Object (indirect) He gave it to me.

    So "He is bigger than me" is an example of the Subject + Complement pattern.

    People may protest that we say "He is bigger than I am." which is true, but when we have one clause nested inside another, the rules for clause formation persist in the nested clause. So the here-nested clause "I am" is a S +V clause nested inside the Complement "...bigger than I am."

    Another helpful rule for the I Vs Me subject/object form choice that so many are confused about is that all prepositions are followed by Object forms.

    Thus, for example, we say "Between you and me." and not "Between you and I." And we say "For my wife and me..." and not "For my wife and I.."

    We say it this way because between and for are prepositions and are always signaling that what follows is functioning as an Object phrase.

    It’s less fortunate than I (am). I is the subject in that sentence, not the object which would be me.
    He’s bigger than I (am) He’s younger than
    I ( am)

    • Disagree: AnalogMan, Charon
  238. @TKK
    One Jewish family orchestrated the ruin of the entire neighborhood. Wow. It's like they have supernatural powers!

    If your dad was too dumb or cowardly to pay closing costs he was not contracted to pay- he was destined to lose his shirt anyway. He was weak.

    The world is full of thugs. You have to nut up. I do it every day. Bring it.

    I’m very familiar with the Arthur Rubloff family of Chicago. Here’s what they did for several generations starting in the 1930s.

    Chicago is and was a very well planned city from 1830 on. Good public transit both to the eastern downtown business office district and the factory stockyards warehouse west side. So it is and always was easy to get from home to any job. Plenty of parks splendid to very modest homes, well arranged shopping streets.

    A typical neighborhood is centered around a park. Bigger, more expensive homes around the park facing a pretty park view. Then blocks of smaller homes. Then a shopping street with everything from branch department stores to little florists, dry cleaners boutiques and some light industry like auto body commercial laundries that provided jobs and services for the residents. And of course the excellent subway elevated trolleys and buses. In winter people could take a taxi home from the subway stop. Of course lots of taverns around the subway stop so Dad could have a drink or 10 before going home.

    Every neighborhood had a lot of 2 and 3 flats and small apartment houses often with 5 or 6 rooms and a big back porch a place to raise a family comfortably.

    Every Catholic and many Lutheran Churches had an excellent K-8 school. There were many catholic, Lutheran and secular private high schools all over the city, easily accessible by the excellent public transit

    So Arthur Rubloff’’s sales men would target one of these ideal city neighborhoods. They’d buy a set of flats and move in black thugs. The thugs would loiter around in a menacing fashion, commit robberies rapes and burglaries.

    Landlords would sell to Rubloff because the White tenants left first and landlords wanted out before the neighborhood turned.

    Rubloff would buy the property and rent to blacks. The Whites would sell at low prices and Rubloff would sell at a higher price to blacks. The building of suburbs no money down for veterans cheap houses in the suburbs made it easy for Whites to move.

    Arthur Rubloff destroyed so many wonderful neighborhoods that way.

    So the neighborhood would become completely black.

    Then , 25 30 years later the next generation of Rubloff’s would announce the discovery of a great neighborhood ready for gentrification.

    Young single and married adults who’d grown up in suburban houses loved the real kitchens and living rooms, good proportions , private schools bought houses and the flats and apartments that were converted to condos and Rubloff made more and more money.
    Rubloff is the reason it was illegal to post for sale signs in Chicago. May still be the law.

    That’s one Jewish family owned residential real estate company and how it contributed to the destruction of one of our great cities.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike, Charon
    • Thanks: HammerJack
  239. here comes the DIVERSITYYYYYY

    you’re about to be CULTURALLY ENRICHED

    heh, heh… keep voting democrat and thinking race is only skin deep. Only a matter of time until the harsh reality will slap you in the face and turn you into a full blown fascist. But by then it’ll be too late, you’ll be vastly outnumbered and other whites who got ready ahead of time will not come rescue you.

    You’ll literally be murdered by the very people you’re inviting into your home.

    Keep it up white libs, keep it up…

  240. @Alexander Turok
    I'm not a libertarian, supporting among other things higher taxes on the rich and regulation of big tech companies. Your criticism of doctrinaire libertarians is spot on. But you and the other critics have not addressed my point about how single family zoning excludes poor whites just as much as it excludes poor blacks. You just ignore it and repeat your claims as if all whites are middle class or rich, all whites can afford a detached house in the 'burbs.

    Hello commie!

    Its not my problem if you or the other white poor people can’t save up enough money to buy something better to live in, that is an issue that is entirely your own fault.

    Remember people, communism is never the answer!

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
    "allowing property owners to build what they want on their property is communism"

    Okay boomer.
  241. @S
    All must be made one.

    All must be made into one easily controllable, amorphous, mixed up mass.

    The ultimate peace, the peace of the grave.

    Nothing distinctive identity wise, racially, sexually, culturally, individually, can be allowed to stand in the way of this being brought about. Attempting to flee from it to the suburbs or to the countryside, cannot, and will not, be tolerated.

    Anything out of sinc with this is 'hate'.

    Hook or by crook, they plan to achieve this objective.

    Below is an excerpt of a 2003 paper published by two Israeli university professors which explains in part how mass immigration has historically been used as a powerful political weapon to divide and conquer, divide and rule, in addition to being highly profitable financially for it's promoters.

    '..the immigrants usually serve three main functions: cheap labor to replace native groups, settlement in the ‘frontier’ (periphery), and control over the natives and their land. These dynamics generally result in the maintenance of hegemony..’

    The 'great replacement' had been attempted in the latter 19th century in both the United States and Australia with Chinese wage slaves (so called 'cheap labor') ultimately to no avail, something they didn't tell people about in the popular 1970's US television series Kung Fu.

    Below is from a Spring 1874 editorial of the Pall Mall Gazette of London advocating Chinese mass immigration for so called 'cheap labor' purposes, but very much lamenting the primary impediment (ie 'race') they were running into that was stopping this from taking place.

    With the Chinese Exclusion Act (circa 1881) in the US and the 'White Only' policy (1900) of Australia those plans fell through, at least for a time.

    The powers that be would not give up so easily, however.

    With their massive and unprecedented modern day anti-race campaign (aka 'anti-racism') they believe they've plugged this hole now.

    If you can't beat 'em, condition 'em!


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/No-racism.png


    Pall Mall Gazette (Spring, 1874) - Chinamen Out of China

    'A dread of what might happen if capitalists could command and control these vast hordes of [Chinese] workmen as against men of their own race, has made the labouring class, at any rate, blind to their good qualities.’
     

    https://www.academia.edu/2116622/Between_urban_and_national_45_Political_mobilization_among_46_Mizrahim_in_Israel_s_development_4847_towns_

    [As documented in a Spring 1874 editorial of the Pall Mall Gazette of London linked below entitled ‘Chinamen Out of China’ [Vol 121, 1874, Littel’s Living Age (pg 124)]

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=chi.55223460&view=1up&seq=136&skin=mobile

    Upthread at what should of been entry #180 (Dec 28, 9:06PM) my post is still awaiting moderation. Was the emboldened below the part of the entry that caused the offense?

    The below excerpt happened to be written by two Israeli university professors regarding the historical nature of mass immigration.

    I believe there’s plenty of responsibility to share across the board for the present situation, and don’t believe in bashing anyone. A check of my past entries will demonstrate that.

    I do believe constructive criticism is legitimate, and even necessary, for healthy relationships between both individuals and peoples.

    Or are there certain subjects that are a no go on this thread and are not ever to be talked about?

    ‘..the immigrants usually serve three main functions: cheap labor to replace native groups, settlement in the ‘frontier’ (periphery), and control over the natives and their land. These dynamics generally result in the maintenance of hegemony..’

    https://www.academia.edu/2116622/Between_urban_and_national_45_Political_mobilization_among_46_Mizrahim_in_Israel_s_development_4847_towns_

  242. Most real estate companies are corporate chains and thus enforce the same agenda as those at the top of the pyramid demand. This means country towns are subtly being undermined with forced diversity. I live in the country and its real hard to get a white doctor out here. Usually they are Chinese or Indian or black. Corporatism is the capitalist tool used to bring in communism and clearly a way to control society from the top and its happening everywhere
    Its impossible to rectify when those that should be with you believe the lies of those that are against you

  243. @Spike
    Like those Trump supporters at his rallies who get chased and beaten by protestors. They run like scared sheep, but how the hell do they allow themselves to become isolated when they were with thousands of their fellow Trump fans just moments earlier? Poor situational awareness. The same when you see a white guy get beaten by blacks while he's walking alone. Poor situational awareness.

    There’s more to the “Trump supporters getting chased and beaten by protestors”.

    Almost every Trump supporter has a JOB and FAMILY to support unlike the Antifa types, who are paid protestors.

    Trump supporters KNOW that the “opposition” can get away with their criminal activity as most local police will “look the other way” on orders from their Trump-hating political hacks.

    It’s a matter of self-preservation for Trump supporters to refrain from fighting back.

    • Replies: @Realist

    It’s a matter of self-preservation for Trump supporters to refrain from fighting back.
     
    It's never a matter of self-preservation to allow yourself to be stomped on. There are always strategies for fighting back.
  244. @Annie Oakley
    I couldn't agree with you more.

    I'm a very friendly and open woman. I've lived in the south for 9 years. Haven't made one single female friend. Not one. The only people who talk to me are those working in retail and who are paid to be nice. There were a few that looked promising and mentioned getting together to hang out. Never followed through. In fact, all THREE of these women when they saw me in a public venue outside of their work, acted like they didn't know me. Not good for someone's self esteem, no matter how self assured they are. In essence, they were lying little weasels and only nice to me because they were on the clock.

    There was one woman I met who seemed sincere. Thought we could hang out occasionally and have coffee. Called her a few times, always went to voice mail, or some excuse why she couldn't get together with me. I finally gave up. It was always something. Her baby doll grand kids, her back was out, hubby won't give her any money for a soda pop, gotta take hubby to da doctor for heart medicine and blood sugar needles. Give me a F'ng break. (she's white but I found out a few days she has brown grand children so she's out).

    I have an extensive tax, public benefits and HR background. I'd have young people talk to me about their tax returns, and other financial issues. I've offered my help to do their taxes for free, instead of paying the large firms a huge sum of money to get it E-filed. How many of those young people called me? ZERO.

    My hubby made friends with three men. One is such rough shape physically, he can only get out a couple times of month. The other one just had a heart attack, so he's out and the other one is getting so old, I worry he's going to end up in an Alzheimers center. That's the pick we got.

    I lived in NYC, Los Angeles, Honolulu and South Florida. Had no problems meeting women friends, hanging out and doing things. Not here. I've been effectively shunned. I started to get a complex about it. Seriously. What is wrong with me? I'd see women in the stores with their pretty little white kids. Oh how cute your kids are, grand kids are etc...Many give me a weird look like I'm going to swoop in and take their babies to Mars or meekly say thank you and scuffle off.

    A years and a half ago I ventured back near the area where I grew up. Still pretty white and decent. Many of my classmates still live in that area and still like me. They're all white of course. I'm moving to that area next year. I cannot wait.

    I don't know if the shunning is a sign of the times or just this area. But I'm not hanging out another 9 years to find out.

    You'd mentioned that you would help these people if Shitavious tried to harm them. I would have before. But not now. I'd end up hurt or dead and wouldn't even get a thank you. I've told my husband, just walk away. Let them deal with the noggins, we just take care of each other.

    I'm no longer mad about it. But I understand where you're coming from. I'm of the firmest belief that many whites like to be used and lied to. If you're nice to them, they treat you like shit, ignore them and treat THEM like shit and they're all over you. It's like the GD dating game. One I no longer want to play.

    Sorry for my long rant...........your post hit a nerve with me and dug up some shitty memories.

    I hear you.

    I had similar issues over 12 years I spent in western NY. 90% of the friends I made were from outside the area.

    I was an expat for 4 years and had a far better social life.

    I’d take you up on the tax thing if I didn’t already have an amazing accountant.

  245. @Amon
    Hello commie!

    Its not my problem if you or the other white poor people can't save up enough money to buy something better to live in, that is an issue that is entirely your own fault.

    Remember people, communism is never the answer!

    “allowing property owners to build what they want on their property is communism”

    Okay boomer.

    • Replies: @Amon
    Nice case of lying there commie.

    You said:

    But you and the other critics have not addressed my point about how single family zoning excludes poor whites just as much as it excludes poor blacks.
     
    You want big gov to change the law and thus force those who work hard and know how to save up money to be subjected to forced association with low energy whites and blacks who demands big government hand outs while committing violent crimes to fund their gross lifestyles of wanton consumerism, drug use, cheap booze and low IQ children.

    But keep on lying communist scum, the day will come when the firing wall is all you have left to press your worthless hide up against.

    “allowing property owners to build what they want on their property is communism”
     
    So you would be okay with me building a 50 foot tall black dick or a statue of a raised middle finger right across from your house if we lived on the same street?

    Rules and agreements were laid down in ancient times to minimize internal tribal disputes. That you fail to understand that living in a well organized society involves some sacrifices is beyond me, just as is your lack of understanding that you can always apply for the right to build what you want from the local HOA.

    Now shoo Commie, your gross life of debt slavery awaits. Those intersectional feminist and gender studies don't pay themselves off you know.
  246. @Mr. Rational
    Yes, so?  Suppose someone in Ohio would prefer to get their produce from a local greenhouse, but the greenhouse can't compete with California produce brought in on taxpayer-subsidized trucks and goes out of business.  The consumer loses twice:  first when his money is taken to subsidize the freeway, and again when he loses access to fresh local produce and has to buy stuff that's taken a week or two to get from a distant factory farm to him.

    That's just the economic issue.  Consider the security issues of things which must be brought in from far away instead of having local sources (with local jobs).  Consider all of the tainted food problems we get from centralized factory farms.  We'd be much better off without Interstates.

    Gee, I didn’t know that Ohio once harvested lettuce and strawberries in March.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    I didn’t know that Ohio once harvested lettuce and strawberries in March.
     
    If it paid to grow them, Ohio would grow them.

    It's quite doable.  Iceland grows bananas.  If it weren't for the Interstates, Ohio might be self-sufficient in strawberries.

    , @Alden
    They planted the lettuce seeds in December.
    , @David Erickson
    Mr. Rational’s point is that we would be much better off if the Interstate Highway System had never been developed, and he his right, for many reasons. As for your strawberries and lettuce, those can go by rail which is an order of magnitude more efficient for shipping freight than the trucks on the interstate highways. The only reason the trucks can compete is because they travel on roads which are subsidized by taxpayers, whereas the private railroads have to pay taxes. In fact the ultimate irony and injustice is that the railroads have to pay taxes that subsidize highways for the trucks to travel on. And there would still be some freight shipped by trucks, but it would be mainly in local areas and not across the country, although some of that would still happen on the U.S. highways that existed before the interstate highways were built (and still exist in many places).
  247. @Jim bob Lassiter
    Gee, I didn't know that Ohio once harvested lettuce and strawberries in March.

    I didn’t know that Ohio once harvested lettuce and strawberries in March.

    If it paid to grow them, Ohio would grow them.

    It’s quite doable.  Iceland grows bananas.  If it weren’t for the Interstates, Ohio might be self-sufficient in strawberries.

  248. @Jim bob Lassiter
    Gee, I didn't know that Ohio once harvested lettuce and strawberries in March.

    They planted the lettuce seeds in December.

  249. @Jim bob Lassiter
    Gee, I didn't know that Ohio once harvested lettuce and strawberries in March.

    Mr. Rational’s point is that we would be much better off if the Interstate Highway System had never been developed, and he his right, for many reasons. As for your strawberries and lettuce, those can go by rail which is an order of magnitude more efficient for shipping freight than the trucks on the interstate highways. The only reason the trucks can compete is because they travel on roads which are subsidized by taxpayers, whereas the private railroads have to pay taxes. In fact the ultimate irony and injustice is that the railroads have to pay taxes that subsidize highways for the trucks to travel on. And there would still be some freight shipped by trucks, but it would be mainly in local areas and not across the country, although some of that would still happen on the U.S. highways that existed before the interstate highways were built (and still exist in many places).

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Mr. Rational’s point is that we would be much better off if the Interstate Highway System had never been developed, and he his right, for many reasons."

    Short sighted thinking. President Eisenhower listed the myriad of issues that resulted from the lack of a national road system.

    Safety - an annual toll of nearly 40,000 killed and 1.3 million injured.

    Congestion - wastes billions of hours in detours and jams amounting to billions of dollars in productive time.

    Courts - civil suits related to traffic clog up our courts.

    Economy - bad roads nullify the efficiency in the production of goods by inefficiency in their transport.

    Defense - "the appalling inadequacies to meet the demands of catastrophe or defense, should an atomic war come."

    Behind the scenes, one other factor influenced his thinking. Stephen E. Ambrose, in his biography of Eisenhower, cited the public reasons the President referred to, but added one factor--[It] was a public-works program on a massive scale, indeed the largest public-works program in history, which meant that the government could put millions of men to work without subjecting itself to the criticism that this was "make-work" of the [Depression-era] WPA or PWA variety. By tailoring expenditures for highways to the state of the economy, Eisenhower could use the program to flatten out the peaks and valleys in unemployment.
    , @Jim bob Lassiter
    Wrong about shipping strawberries and lettuce from Watsonville, CA to Atlanta via rail. Trains are too slow for ultra-perishables.
  250. @David Erickson
    Mr. Rational’s point is that we would be much better off if the Interstate Highway System had never been developed, and he his right, for many reasons. As for your strawberries and lettuce, those can go by rail which is an order of magnitude more efficient for shipping freight than the trucks on the interstate highways. The only reason the trucks can compete is because they travel on roads which are subsidized by taxpayers, whereas the private railroads have to pay taxes. In fact the ultimate irony and injustice is that the railroads have to pay taxes that subsidize highways for the trucks to travel on. And there would still be some freight shipped by trucks, but it would be mainly in local areas and not across the country, although some of that would still happen on the U.S. highways that existed before the interstate highways were built (and still exist in many places).

    “Mr. Rational’s point is that we would be much better off if the Interstate Highway System had never been developed, and he his right, for many reasons.”

    Short sighted thinking. President Eisenhower listed the myriad of issues that resulted from the lack of a national road system.

    Safety – an annual toll of nearly 40,000 killed and 1.3 million injured.

    Congestion – wastes billions of hours in detours and jams amounting to billions of dollars in productive time.

    Courts – civil suits related to traffic clog up our courts.

    Economy – bad roads nullify the efficiency in the production of goods by inefficiency in their transport.

    Defense – “the appalling inadequacies to meet the demands of catastrophe or defense, should an atomic war come.”

    Behind the scenes, one other factor influenced his thinking. Stephen E. Ambrose, in his biography of Eisenhower, cited the public reasons the President referred to, but added one factor–[It] was a public-works program on a massive scale, indeed the largest public-works program in history, which meant that the government could put millions of men to work without subjecting itself to the criticism that this was “make-work” of the [Depression-era] WPA or PWA variety. By tailoring expenditures for highways to the state of the economy, Eisenhower could use the program to flatten out the peaks and valleys in unemployment.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @By-tor
    Whose works are you raiding by cutting and pasting others' quotes?
    , @JimB
    And moving nonwhites to northern latitudes requires higher thermostat temperatures during Fall and Winter, probably the biggest waste of energy of all.
  251. @Detroit Refugee
    Buy a farm.

    It’s that or “celebrate diversity”.
    These are our choices in the not too distant future.

    Yes but you have to understand once they have the numbers, you won’t be able to assume you can keep your property.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna, Charon
  252. Once again, it’s all about South Asian immigrants and blacks, who want to cram extended families onto 2500 sq ft. Last I heard from Steve Sailer, Mexicans aspire to the 1950s American dream of single family houses with a yard to barbecue in.

    • Replies: @Jim bob Lassiter
    Where I live, it's Mexicans who pile up belly button to arse-hole in two bedroom dwellings. You should see some of the septic tank failures these people create outside the city limits.
  253. @JimB
    Once again, it’s all about South Asian immigrants and blacks, who want to cram extended families onto 2500 sq ft. Last I heard from Steve Sailer, Mexicans aspire to the 1950s American dream of single family houses with a yard to barbecue in.

    Where I live, it’s Mexicans who pile up belly button to arse-hole in two bedroom dwellings. You should see some of the septic tank failures these people create outside the city limits.

  254. @David Erickson
    Mr. Rational’s point is that we would be much better off if the Interstate Highway System had never been developed, and he his right, for many reasons. As for your strawberries and lettuce, those can go by rail which is an order of magnitude more efficient for shipping freight than the trucks on the interstate highways. The only reason the trucks can compete is because they travel on roads which are subsidized by taxpayers, whereas the private railroads have to pay taxes. In fact the ultimate irony and injustice is that the railroads have to pay taxes that subsidize highways for the trucks to travel on. And there would still be some freight shipped by trucks, but it would be mainly in local areas and not across the country, although some of that would still happen on the U.S. highways that existed before the interstate highways were built (and still exist in many places).

    Wrong about shipping strawberries and lettuce from Watsonville, CA to Atlanta via rail. Trains are too slow for ultra-perishables.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    I'm not sure if the Pacific Fruit eExpress still exists, but at least, I think, it's been much reduced since my boyhood.
  255. @Emslander
    Because adults know that race is never a determining factor in our polity. I have more in common with the black guy my age who raised a family than with all the overeducated boomers who managed to cheat and cuck their way to lonely old age.

    Then go live with your black buddy in a majority black city, Cuck Boy.

    • Replies: @Emslander

    Then go live with your black buddy in a majority black city, Cuck Boy.
     
    See there. You've managed to illustrate the truth of my point excellently. An adult discussion doesn't devolve into juvenile personal invective.

    If you have actual experience in the world, you quickly lose whatever individual disappointments you might have had with people you've managed to identify by race or religion. You learn that all the other humans can behave in a disappointing manner at one time or another. The key is to protect yourself prudently, trust no one too much, but expect that occasionally you'll be pleasantly surprised from the most unexpected quarters, often disabusing your former tendency to prejudice.
  256. @Mr. Rational

    Biggest problem with gated enclaves is that residents have to leave the fortress for work school shopping entertainment etc etc.
     
    This is why I have proposed the "Members Only" scheme for gated communities, shopping malls, entertainment districts, private parks, office complexes and apartment buildings.  They'd be walled, with membership checked at all entry points.  You'd have to be well-behaved to buy a membership, and your membership could be restricted or revoked for bad behavior or misbehavior by one of your guests.  If any bad eggs get in, they'll soon get sorted out again.

    Imagine what this could do for a "dying mall".  The demographic which does all the mobbing and shoplifting wouldn't be accepted for membership even if they bothered to apply.  Suddenly all the problem people would be gone, and customers would come back.

    Imagine a shopping mall connected to an office complex and a condo complex by pedestrian/scooter skyways which allow no street access.  No street access, no street criminals.  The criminals would probably stop coming around, because from their perspective the area would be a wasteland like an Interstate freeway.

    They’ll just do like they do in Jersey… wait for the folks to walk back to their cars and rob them in the parking lots.

    You can make the mall experience more pleasant by excluding blacks but when blacks are as common as the sidewalks you walk on, there’s no getting away from them.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting

    You can make the mall experience more pleasant by excluding blacks but when blacks are as common as the sidewalks you walk on, there’s no getting away from them.
     
    There are certain wealthy parts of California where there are so few black people that the cops can and do spend their day following them around--with no attempt to hide the surveillance. Of course that is not a written policy, but it is the way it works in the real world.

    The cops don't pull them over, don't stop and frisk them, don't talk to them at all. They are just _there_, watching, waiting, watching, waiting.

    It works--but only when there are a very small number of blacks in the area.

    The locals all know about it, but everyone just pretends there is nothing happening.
    , @Mr. Rational

    They’ll just do like they do in Jersey… wait for the folks to walk back to their cars and rob them in the parking lots.
     
    That can't happen if they aren't allowed in the parking lots in the first place.  Check membership at the vehicle gates; scan license plates and use face recognition to prevent stolen cars from being used for entry.  Put the walls right at the street so there isn't even a sidewalk to loiter on.

    Like I said, make the area as much of a desert for street criminals as an Interstate freeway.  Plenty of chances to get run over and nothing to grab.
  257. @Glock45
    Wow. To think that I grew up in Virginia as a kid back in the 70s. And to think that, if I were to go back in time and tell my 70s Viriginia neighbors that, one day in the not too distant future, there would be people named "Ibraheem Samirah" in the Viriginia legislature dedicated to their destruction, they'd think that I were insane.

    This story is just one more piece of verification that the Left simply wants to destroy anything associated with traditional America (white, Christian, heterosexual...). Nothing more than this. It is pure nihilism, a pure hatred for what this country was. The Left can no longer hide behind their childish slogans of "diversity is our greatest strength" and "coexist." No....we know their game; we know that they want white, Christian, heterosexuals dead and gone. Their mask slipped once Trump was elected.

    This ends badly. Very badly. For millions of people.

    My story is much like yours. My dad complained ca. 1988, then retired in Page Co., that Rappahannock county would not allow zoning below five acres. And he was a staunch conservative, just part-time real estate investor. I think Rappahannock had the right idea. I wish them luck against the overlords.

  258. @Mr. Rational

    Biggest problem with gated enclaves is that residents have to leave the fortress for work school shopping entertainment etc etc.
     
    This is why I have proposed the "Members Only" scheme for gated communities, shopping malls, entertainment districts, private parks, office complexes and apartment buildings.  They'd be walled, with membership checked at all entry points.  You'd have to be well-behaved to buy a membership, and your membership could be restricted or revoked for bad behavior or misbehavior by one of your guests.  If any bad eggs get in, they'll soon get sorted out again.

    Imagine what this could do for a "dying mall".  The demographic which does all the mobbing and shoplifting wouldn't be accepted for membership even if they bothered to apply.  Suddenly all the problem people would be gone, and customers would come back.

    Imagine a shopping mall connected to an office complex and a condo complex by pedestrian/scooter skyways which allow no street access.  No street access, no street criminals.  The criminals would probably stop coming around, because from their perspective the area would be a wasteland like an Interstate freeway.

    I have imagined that much the same could be accomplished if you had access control that did 100% ID check and perhaps had a admission fee optionally refundable with purchase.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    That is exactly my scheme.
  259. @Alexander Turok
    "allowing property owners to build what they want on their property is communism"

    Okay boomer.

    Nice case of lying there commie.

    You said:

    But you and the other critics have not addressed my point about how single family zoning excludes poor whites just as much as it excludes poor blacks.

    You want big gov to change the law and thus force those who work hard and know how to save up money to be subjected to forced association with low energy whites and blacks who demands big government hand outs while committing violent crimes to fund their gross lifestyles of wanton consumerism, drug use, cheap booze and low IQ children.

    But keep on lying communist scum, the day will come when the firing wall is all you have left to press your worthless hide up against.

    “allowing property owners to build what they want on their property is communism”

    So you would be okay with me building a 50 foot tall black dick or a statue of a raised middle finger right across from your house if we lived on the same street?

    Rules and agreements were laid down in ancient times to minimize internal tribal disputes. That you fail to understand that living in a well organized society involves some sacrifices is beyond me, just as is your lack of understanding that you can always apply for the right to build what you want from the local HOA.

    Now shoo Commie, your gross life of debt slavery awaits. Those intersectional feminist and gender studies don’t pay themselves off you know.

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok

    who demands big government hand outs while committing violent crimes to fund their gross lifestyles of wanton consumerism, drug use, cheap booze and low IQ children.
     
    Single family zoning is just a big government handout to homeowners.

    Rules and agreements were laid down in ancient times to minimize internal tribal disputes.

     

    I checked the history, my neighborhood didn't exist until the 1920s. You can't appeal to single family zoning as an ancient tradition.

    So you would be okay with me building a 50 foot tall black dick or a statue of a raised middle finger right across from your house if we lived on the same street?
     
    I don't see why not, it would piss off the boomers which is always a plus.

    Now shoo Commie, your gross life of debt slavery awaits. Those intersectional feminist and gender studies don’t pay themselves off you know.

     

    The boomer conservative insists that it is not possible to reject feminism and social liberalism without embracing all his boomer stuff. If confronted by a subject who does so, he simply sticks his fingers in his ears and says "I can't hear you..."
  260. @Mr. Rational

    Biggest problem with gated enclaves is that residents have to leave the fortress for work school shopping entertainment etc etc.
     
    This is why I have proposed the "Members Only" scheme for gated communities, shopping malls, entertainment districts, private parks, office complexes and apartment buildings.  They'd be walled, with membership checked at all entry points.  You'd have to be well-behaved to buy a membership, and your membership could be restricted or revoked for bad behavior or misbehavior by one of your guests.  If any bad eggs get in, they'll soon get sorted out again.

    Imagine what this could do for a "dying mall".  The demographic which does all the mobbing and shoplifting wouldn't be accepted for membership even if they bothered to apply.  Suddenly all the problem people would be gone, and customers would come back.

    Imagine a shopping mall connected to an office complex and a condo complex by pedestrian/scooter skyways which allow no street access.  No street access, no street criminals.  The criminals would probably stop coming around, because from their perspective the area would be a wasteland like an Interstate freeway.

    Sounds like a condo. All kinds of problems. A clique will control it. Your property’s not your own.

  261. @Amon
    Nice case of lying there commie.

    You said:

    But you and the other critics have not addressed my point about how single family zoning excludes poor whites just as much as it excludes poor blacks.
     
    You want big gov to change the law and thus force those who work hard and know how to save up money to be subjected to forced association with low energy whites and blacks who demands big government hand outs while committing violent crimes to fund their gross lifestyles of wanton consumerism, drug use, cheap booze and low IQ children.

    But keep on lying communist scum, the day will come when the firing wall is all you have left to press your worthless hide up against.

    “allowing property owners to build what they want on their property is communism”
     
    So you would be okay with me building a 50 foot tall black dick or a statue of a raised middle finger right across from your house if we lived on the same street?

    Rules and agreements were laid down in ancient times to minimize internal tribal disputes. That you fail to understand that living in a well organized society involves some sacrifices is beyond me, just as is your lack of understanding that you can always apply for the right to build what you want from the local HOA.

    Now shoo Commie, your gross life of debt slavery awaits. Those intersectional feminist and gender studies don't pay themselves off you know.

    who demands big government hand outs while committing violent crimes to fund their gross lifestyles of wanton consumerism, drug use, cheap booze and low IQ children.

    Single family zoning is just a big government handout to homeowners.

    Rules and agreements were laid down in ancient times to minimize internal tribal disputes.

    I checked the history, my neighborhood didn’t exist until the 1920s. You can’t appeal to single family zoning as an ancient tradition.

    So you would be okay with me building a 50 foot tall black dick or a statue of a raised middle finger right across from your house if we lived on the same street?

    I don’t see why not, it would piss off the boomers which is always a plus.

    Now shoo Commie, your gross life of debt slavery awaits. Those intersectional feminist and gender studies don’t pay themselves off you know.

    The boomer conservative insists that it is not possible to reject feminism and social liberalism without embracing all his boomer stuff. If confronted by a subject who does so, he simply sticks his fingers in his ears and says “I can’t hear you…”

    • Replies: @Amon
    Commie has no useful response and uses insults to cover up for that fact, but it is not very effective.

    Keep dreaming commie, maybe someday the big scary government will provide you with permanent housing when you fail to pay off your useless degrees.
  262. @Jim bob Lassiter
    Wrong about shipping strawberries and lettuce from Watsonville, CA to Atlanta via rail. Trains are too slow for ultra-perishables.

    I’m not sure if the Pacific Fruit eExpress still exists, but at least, I think, it’s been much reduced since my boyhood.

  263. @Corvinus
    "Mr. Rational’s point is that we would be much better off if the Interstate Highway System had never been developed, and he his right, for many reasons."

    Short sighted thinking. President Eisenhower listed the myriad of issues that resulted from the lack of a national road system.

    Safety - an annual toll of nearly 40,000 killed and 1.3 million injured.

    Congestion - wastes billions of hours in detours and jams amounting to billions of dollars in productive time.

    Courts - civil suits related to traffic clog up our courts.

    Economy - bad roads nullify the efficiency in the production of goods by inefficiency in their transport.

    Defense - "the appalling inadequacies to meet the demands of catastrophe or defense, should an atomic war come."

    Behind the scenes, one other factor influenced his thinking. Stephen E. Ambrose, in his biography of Eisenhower, cited the public reasons the President referred to, but added one factor--[It] was a public-works program on a massive scale, indeed the largest public-works program in history, which meant that the government could put millions of men to work without subjecting itself to the criticism that this was "make-work" of the [Depression-era] WPA or PWA variety. By tailoring expenditures for highways to the state of the economy, Eisenhower could use the program to flatten out the peaks and valleys in unemployment.

    Whose works are you raiding by cutting and pasting others’ quotes?

  264. @Sol
    Do you act and talk like a Yankee?

    What is talking and acting like a Yankee?

    If talking and acting like a Yankee means not smoking, dipping snuff, having a gaggle of tattoos, a mixed race baby or grand baby, phone free of debt collectors calling every 30 minutes, a criminal record, weighing 400 pounds, worshipping negro footballers, living off of disability, everything fried, then I guess that means you’re a Yankee. Give me F’ng break.

    I’m a white woman. A good one. A damn good one. Someone that is far better for this county than some of the untermenschen I encounter. I was born in this country, my family has been around for hundreds of years.

    And for the record, many of the little shits around here aren’t FROM the south, they moved here a few years ago from other little trashy skanky towns. A lot of them I found later have serious criminal records and the reason they’re here is they have nowhere else to go. The only job they can find is retail at the Dollar Tree and they’re grown ups!

    • Agree: Swamp Fox
  265. @By-tor
    South Florida is most certainly not The South.

    South Florida is a multicultural mess. Most of the whites who live there now or who did came from somewhere. They have don’t have that outsider nonsense.

    I never said South Fl was the south.

  266. @Jim in Jersey
    Really? That’s what you bring here?

    Does that offend you?

    Mr Rational explained this nicely some time ago. People who write ungrammatically discredit their own message, and make the rest of us on this site look like a bunch of ignoramuses (ignorami?). Any effort to improve the quality of this comment section should be appreciated, not derided.

    People here are always complaining about a lack of White cohesion. Let’s start with a little more tolerance of views that are, at the very least, not hostile. Or, as the kids say, chill, man.

    • Replies: @Jim in Jersey
    As a sole purpose, I see no need for it. Pointing out a misspelled word or misused phrase during a rebuttal or a comment is one thing. Logging on with the intention of providing ‘grammar police’ support is frowned on by me.

    But, who am I?
  267. @Alden
    To each his own. I’m happy to live in an apartment house I own. And control daily, monthly and major maintenance, admit only tenants who meet certain criteria, control the budget and hire and fire the employees.

    But in a condo or HOA full of idiot buttinskies who know nothing about construction yearly roto rootering the sewer pipes, building codes running a crew, weekly walk arounds and regular and major maintenance no thanks.

    If the manager wants to put a Christmas tree in the lobby, he asks me. If a manager screws up the book keeping or annoys tenants or the work crew I fire him. If some atheist objects to Christmas decorations they can move or shut up about it.

    Condos fall apart because the owners associations know nothing about maintainece and construction. They are bland and ugly because the owners know nothing about decoration, design and proportion.

    HOAs all want beige exterior paint. That color should be outlawed.

    So, what you’re saying is, the only good HOA is you?

  268. @unit472
    So property developers in San Francisco and Manhattan are too stupid to realize the potential of putting up 50 story hoodrat towers. I think not. I think you don't know a goddamned thing about real estate development.The truth is low income people are disappearing in those areas because no one can afford to build housing for them.

    There is a reason, outside of public housing projects, high rise developments are not for poor people. They cost more to build.

    There is a reason, outside of public housing projects, high rise developments are not for poor people. They cost more to build.

    Above 4 stories, most if not all building codes don’t allow wood frame construction, so costs go up substantially.

  269. Your average black is turning into a stalker. A stalker of white people. Stalking is characteristic of inadequate personalities who think the world will end if they can’t get their hands on the person they desire and bring that person into their lives. All stalkers have psychiatric level-mental problems.

  270. Anon[312] • Disclaimer says:

    Contrary to what a lot of people think, the main reason why whites moved to the suburbs in the first place wasn’t get away from blacks, it was because the suburbs was where the cheapest housing was. In the 50s, 60s, and 70s, suburbs around major cities were cheap. It was only when the politicians decided to supercharge the economy by lowering interest rates and letting a flood of immigrants into the country in the 1980s that housing prices in the suburbs on the coasts began to climb. In the Midwest, suburbs are still relatively cheap.

  271. @Corvinus
    "Freedom requires I get to choose my associations, and the corollary is that I have a right to disassociate. As government grows it takes your individual freedoms, it doesn’t expand them."

    You do have the freedom to associate and dissociate! However, freedom of association requires that the citizens of a given area decide whether or not those choices violate the social compact and the rule of law.

    Freedom to associate or disassociate was determined by courts loaded with (lawyers) with conflicts of interest many years ago.

  272. @anarchyst
    There's more to the "Trump supporters getting chased and beaten by protestors".

    Almost every Trump supporter has a JOB and FAMILY to support unlike the Antifa types, who are paid protestors.

    Trump supporters KNOW that the "opposition" can get away with their criminal activity as most local police will "look the other way" on orders from their Trump-hating political hacks.

    It's a matter of self-preservation for Trump supporters to refrain from fighting back.

    It’s a matter of self-preservation for Trump supporters to refrain from fighting back.

    It’s never a matter of self-preservation to allow yourself to be stomped on. There are always strategies for fighting back.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    I agree. But knowing when to hold 'em and knowing when to fold 'em is always the best course of action.

    What are your suggestions for Trump supporters when the established infrastructure is against them?

    How do you counter "the powers that be" who are against you and use the power of the state against you?

    I eagerly await your intelligent response.

    Regards,
  273. @Skeptikal
    If you read Frederick Law Olmstead's The Cotton Kingdom; Notes on the South you will find that many southerners wanted to ditch slavery but didn't know what to do wtih the slaves. No one really knew what to do with them. Hence the plans to send them back to Africa/Liberia.

    In the end the plan was hatched to give each slave family 40 acres and a mule and let them become independent farmers. Most of them actually did have the farming chops to make a go of farming---after all, why wouldn't they?? But there was intense competition for this land and few slaves were able to hang on to this land they had been given to farm. That was not their fault. That was the fault of the greedy local yokels.

    Most of them actually did have the farming chops to make a go of farming—after all, why wouldn’t they??

    Lots of reasons. The guy in the factory who makes widgets doesn’t automatically have the “chops” to open up and run his own widget company. Much of farming involves skills and talents and business acumen that isn’t exactly an African trademark.

  274. @Jim in Jersey
    They’ll just do like they do in Jersey… wait for the folks to walk back to their cars and rob them in the parking lots.

    You can make the mall experience more pleasant by excluding blacks but when blacks are as common as the sidewalks you walk on, there’s no getting away from them.

    You can make the mall experience more pleasant by excluding blacks but when blacks are as common as the sidewalks you walk on, there’s no getting away from them.

    There are certain wealthy parts of California where there are so few black people that the cops can and do spend their day following them around–with no attempt to hide the surveillance. Of course that is not a written policy, but it is the way it works in the real world.

    The cops don’t pull them over, don’t stop and frisk them, don’t talk to them at all. They are just _there_, watching, waiting, watching, waiting.

    It works–but only when there are a very small number of blacks in the area.

    The locals all know about it, but everyone just pretends there is nothing happening.

  275. @Realist

    It’s a matter of self-preservation for Trump supporters to refrain from fighting back.
     
    It's never a matter of self-preservation to allow yourself to be stomped on. There are always strategies for fighting back.

    I agree. But knowing when to hold ’em and knowing when to fold ’em is always the best course of action.

    What are your suggestions for Trump supporters when the established infrastructure is against them?

    How do you counter “the powers that be” who are against you and use the power of the state against you?

    I eagerly await your intelligent response.

    Regards,

  276. @Dannyboy
    Then go live with your black buddy in a majority black city, Cuck Boy.

    Then go live with your black buddy in a majority black city, Cuck Boy.

    See there. You’ve managed to illustrate the truth of my point excellently. An adult discussion doesn’t devolve into juvenile personal invective.

    If you have actual experience in the world, you quickly lose whatever individual disappointments you might have had with people you’ve managed to identify by race or religion. You learn that all the other humans can behave in a disappointing manner at one time or another. The key is to protect yourself prudently, trust no one too much, but expect that occasionally you’ll be pleasantly surprised from the most unexpected quarters, often disabusing your former tendency to prejudice.

    • Replies: @WSG
    If YOU had actual experience in the world, you would learn the importance of recognizing patterns. Blacks aren't humans, so your petty attempt at a lecture is merely a waste of words. I have lived around them in numbers. You, clearly, have not.
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    What invective? Are you not a cuck?
    , @Dannyboy

    See there. You’ve managed to illustrate the truth of my point excellently. An adult discussion doesn’t devolve into juvenile personal invective.
     
    Adults don't play pretend, Hondo.

    Nothing complicated about it. If you like blacks, and think that MOST of them are swell folks, then go live with them.

    Leftists and their brethren in Conservativism Inc never seem to get around to that.

    ???

    What they really mean, ( and this is the way they've always been) is do what we say, not as we do.

    It's the same thing we see over and over when the Jew Hollyweird crowds candidate loses an election. The squeal like a bunch of little girls and threaten to leave the US...lol

    Of course, the vast majority never leave because the tax rates in Europe and Canada and other WHITE majority nations put a big pinch on their pocketbook.

    It's curious that they never consider places like Brazzaville, Luanda or Maputo.

    Shit, how about Managua or Tegucigalpa?

    In short, your kind are the worst combination imaginable. 33 1/3rd pussy 33 1/3rd hypocrite and 33 1/3rd liar.

  277. @AnalogMan
    Does that offend you?

    Mr Rational explained this nicely some time ago. People who write ungrammatically discredit their own message, and make the rest of us on this site look like a bunch of ignoramuses (ignorami?). Any effort to improve the quality of this comment section should be appreciated, not derided.

    People here are always complaining about a lack of White cohesion. Let's start with a little more tolerance of views that are, at the very least, not hostile. Or, as the kids say, chill, man.

    As a sole purpose, I see no need for it. Pointing out a misspelled word or misused phrase during a rebuttal or a comment is one thing. Logging on with the intention of providing ‘grammar police’ support is frowned on by me.

    But, who am I?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Logging on with the intention of providing ‘grammar police’ support
     
    Puh-LEEEZE!  We are not the "grammar police".  We are the Alt-Write.

    On a more serious note, someone who points out bad writing is READING, and in detail.  They are paying closer attention to words and ideas than perhaps even their authors.  This is a good thing.
    , @JoeFour
    "But, who am I?"

    Well...excuse me...and hopefully someone will correct me if I am wrong...but shouldn't you have said:

    "But, who am me?"
  278. @Corvinus
    "Mr. Rational’s point is that we would be much better off if the Interstate Highway System had never been developed, and he his right, for many reasons."

    Short sighted thinking. President Eisenhower listed the myriad of issues that resulted from the lack of a national road system.

    Safety - an annual toll of nearly 40,000 killed and 1.3 million injured.

    Congestion - wastes billions of hours in detours and jams amounting to billions of dollars in productive time.

    Courts - civil suits related to traffic clog up our courts.

    Economy - bad roads nullify the efficiency in the production of goods by inefficiency in their transport.

    Defense - "the appalling inadequacies to meet the demands of catastrophe or defense, should an atomic war come."

    Behind the scenes, one other factor influenced his thinking. Stephen E. Ambrose, in his biography of Eisenhower, cited the public reasons the President referred to, but added one factor--[It] was a public-works program on a massive scale, indeed the largest public-works program in history, which meant that the government could put millions of men to work without subjecting itself to the criticism that this was "make-work" of the [Depression-era] WPA or PWA variety. By tailoring expenditures for highways to the state of the economy, Eisenhower could use the program to flatten out the peaks and valleys in unemployment.

    And moving nonwhites to northern latitudes requires higher thermostat temperatures during Fall and Winter, probably the biggest waste of energy of all.

    • Agree: By-tor
  279. @Jim in Jersey
    They’ll just do like they do in Jersey… wait for the folks to walk back to their cars and rob them in the parking lots.

    You can make the mall experience more pleasant by excluding blacks but when blacks are as common as the sidewalks you walk on, there’s no getting away from them.

    They’ll just do like they do in Jersey… wait for the folks to walk back to their cars and rob them in the parking lots.

    That can’t happen if they aren’t allowed in the parking lots in the first place.  Check membership at the vehicle gates; scan license plates and use face recognition to prevent stolen cars from being used for entry.  Put the walls right at the street so there isn’t even a sidewalk to loiter on.

    Like I said, make the area as much of a desert for street criminals as an Interstate freeway.  Plenty of chances to get run over and nothing to grab.

  280. @ben the layabout
    I have imagined that much the same could be accomplished if you had access control that did 100% ID check and perhaps had a admission fee optionally refundable with purchase.

    That is exactly my scheme.

  281. @Jim in Jersey
    As a sole purpose, I see no need for it. Pointing out a misspelled word or misused phrase during a rebuttal or a comment is one thing. Logging on with the intention of providing ‘grammar police’ support is frowned on by me.

    But, who am I?

    Logging on with the intention of providing ‘grammar police’ support

    Puh-LEEEZE!  We are not the “grammar police”.  We are the Alt-Write.

    On a more serious note, someone who points out bad writing is READING, and in detail.  They are paying closer attention to words and ideas than perhaps even their authors.  This is a good thing.

  282. @Emslander

    Then go live with your black buddy in a majority black city, Cuck Boy.
     
    See there. You've managed to illustrate the truth of my point excellently. An adult discussion doesn't devolve into juvenile personal invective.

    If you have actual experience in the world, you quickly lose whatever individual disappointments you might have had with people you've managed to identify by race or religion. You learn that all the other humans can behave in a disappointing manner at one time or another. The key is to protect yourself prudently, trust no one too much, but expect that occasionally you'll be pleasantly surprised from the most unexpected quarters, often disabusing your former tendency to prejudice.

    If YOU had actual experience in the world, you would learn the importance of recognizing patterns. Blacks aren’t humans, so your petty attempt at a lecture is merely a waste of words. I have lived around them in numbers. You, clearly, have not.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational, Dannyboy
  283. @Emslander

    Then go live with your black buddy in a majority black city, Cuck Boy.
     
    See there. You've managed to illustrate the truth of my point excellently. An adult discussion doesn't devolve into juvenile personal invective.

    If you have actual experience in the world, you quickly lose whatever individual disappointments you might have had with people you've managed to identify by race or religion. You learn that all the other humans can behave in a disappointing manner at one time or another. The key is to protect yourself prudently, trust no one too much, but expect that occasionally you'll be pleasantly surprised from the most unexpected quarters, often disabusing your former tendency to prejudice.

    What invective? Are you not a cuck?

    • Agree: Swamp Fox
  284. @marxisthater23
    If this was to spread to more than a couple of states, just lol. Time to pack up and move to South America. White people are finished in this country. Deshawn and Jose living in da burbs next to some 500k house. Just lol at the buffoonery in America.

    If you fly to SA then ‘they’ win. And it’s not buffoonery. The people behind this know exactly what they’re doing and why. And by the way they don’t give a damn about the welfare of blacks and brwons. This is all about getting at YT.

  285. @NC Realist
    A great big " Merry FUCK YOU " to this shit faced crooked smile sob samirah. Join the shit-list from your shit-hole section of Virginia.

    His parents were from Palestine and given refuge in America. This is how he repays the favour.

  286. @WorkingClass
    Old Virginia is making the case for secession. Drive the whites out of the City. Then drive them out of the Burbs. What lies beyond the Burbs? Red America.

    Visit Red America sometime. You will find we are not living in mud huts. We have hospitals and schools and super markets. You will know you have arrived when you see white kids working in fast food kitchens. Freedom of speech and freedom of association could be foundational guarantees of a new Republic formed from a coalition of Counties across State lines. No Cities needed. There is plenty of room for one or several Red Americas. They would look like gerrymandered voting districts. Actual freedom as opposed to a matrix of special privilege might prove attractive to some non white Americans. You don't have to be white to be a citizen of Red America. You just have to agree that it's okay to be white. Or black or queer or whatever.

    White America is gone. It really was a free country. For white men. A new Republic could be free for everybody. Not equal. If you think everybody must be equal in the sense that two plus two is equal to four you will not be happy anywhere. Especially not in Red America where recognition of objective reality is again valued as essential to the well being of humans.

    Let them have the cities.
    Stop the hate. Separate.

    ‘Let them have the cities.’ You’re missing the point. Without Whites they’ll screw up the cities. When they’re sufficiently screwed they’ll come for the Whitopias.

    • Replies: @Amon
    I feel it's time to revive the medieval practice of building citadels to enforce the safety and peace in white suburbia communities and towns, a big beautiful wall will keep out pesky thugs and criminals as well as foreign/domestic government elements that wish to destroy said communities.

    Hell, a fortification in the form of a wall around white sections of a city would go hand in hand with the progressive lefts call for segregation of the races.
  287. @John Johnson
    It is not “Race” that is causing problems. It is “Ghetto”. Cheap housing brings in “problems”. Local agencies complain that mortgages are available in poor “White” areas but not in poor “Minority” areas.

    Way too much quoting.

    You are in serious denial if you think this is all economics. I seriously wish that were the case as it would drastically simplify things and we would have solved these problems.

    Dense public housing actually worked well with the Italians and Poles. Note that this contradicts the conservative/libertarian free market explanation of "big gubmint" never doing anything right. Well it actually was doing something right.

    Care to guess when it had problems?

    The “Democratic Cities” were made into what they are by the lack of effective law enforcement.

    Why did they need so much law enforcement in the first place? Did Baltimore need more or less enforcement during the depression compared to today?

    In rural areas you can find trailer parks where there might be a single sheriff on duty for the entire county. How is this possible?

    I grew up in Baltimore. My parents’ generation who were adults during the 30s-50s, said there was no problem walking around at night in Baltimore. It was all pretty nice. Then the mid-60s hit. I remember reading in Life Magazine about the shocking crime (mid-60s) that suddenly made the cities dangerous, as if it were a sort of biological plague that inexplicably invaded. Most well-meaning people were forced to believe it was just “poverty” even though, when the demographics were different, similar poverty didn’t have quite that pervasive effect. Something about the 60s annihilated the cities.

    • Agree: Dannyboy
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna

    Something about the 60s annihilated the cities.
     
    Something about the 60s annihilated the country. And it's now annihilating all the other (white) countries, one by one.

    The amazing thing is that so many people believe that the solution is to enforce much more of what the 60s were all about, only harder and faster. Rather than look at what society was like before the 60s, and how we might get back to that kind of civility. Brainwashing from the mass media means people won't even think about it.
  288. @dcite
    I grew up in Baltimore. My parents' generation who were adults during the 30s-50s, said there was no problem walking around at night in Baltimore. It was all pretty nice. Then the mid-60s hit. I remember reading in Life Magazine about the shocking crime (mid-60s) that suddenly made the cities dangerous, as if it were a sort of biological plague that inexplicably invaded. Most well-meaning people were forced to believe it was just "poverty" even though, when the demographics were different, similar poverty didn't have quite that pervasive effect. Something about the 60s annihilated the cities.

    Something about the 60s annihilated the cities.

    Something about the 60s annihilated the country. And it’s now annihilating all the other (white) countries, one by one.

    The amazing thing is that so many people believe that the solution is to enforce much more of what the 60s were all about, only harder and faster. Rather than look at what society was like before the 60s, and how we might get back to that kind of civility. Brainwashing from the mass media means people won’t even think about it.

    • Replies: @Dannyboy
    What took place in the 60's was essentially a Marxist Revolution. The (((Usual Suspects))) who slimed their way in during the early 30's from Germany and Eastern Europe, with plenty of help from the already decadent Yankee WASP's, destroyed the nation's culture and institutions from within.

    For laughter they make bread, and wine that the living may feast: and all things obey money.

     

  289. @Alexander Turok

    who demands big government hand outs while committing violent crimes to fund their gross lifestyles of wanton consumerism, drug use, cheap booze and low IQ children.
     
    Single family zoning is just a big government handout to homeowners.

    Rules and agreements were laid down in ancient times to minimize internal tribal disputes.

     

    I checked the history, my neighborhood didn't exist until the 1920s. You can't appeal to single family zoning as an ancient tradition.

    So you would be okay with me building a 50 foot tall black dick or a statue of a raised middle finger right across from your house if we lived on the same street?
     
    I don't see why not, it would piss off the boomers which is always a plus.

    Now shoo Commie, your gross life of debt slavery awaits. Those intersectional feminist and gender studies don’t pay themselves off you know.

     

    The boomer conservative insists that it is not possible to reject feminism and social liberalism without embracing all his boomer stuff. If confronted by a subject who does so, he simply sticks his fingers in his ears and says "I can't hear you..."

    Commie has no useful response and uses insults to cover up for that fact, but it is not very effective.

    Keep dreaming commie, maybe someday the big scary government will provide you with permanent housing when you fail to pay off your useless degrees.

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
    Your argument was that property owners being able to build on their own effing property was communism. I don't need to "respond" to it. Merely restating it shows how moronic it is.
  290. @Irish Savant
    'Let them have the cities.' You're missing the point. Without Whites they'll screw up the cities. When they're sufficiently screwed they'll come for the Whitopias.

    I feel it’s time to revive the medieval practice of building citadels to enforce the safety and peace in white suburbia communities and towns, a big beautiful wall will keep out pesky thugs and criminals as well as foreign/domestic government elements that wish to destroy said communities.

    Hell, a fortification in the form of a wall around white sections of a city would go hand in hand with the progressive lefts call for segregation of the races.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Your last sentence is correct Gated communities have a right to decide who lives there, The reason is that they did pay for the wall and they are paying for security.
    , @AnalogMan

    the progressive lefts call for segregation of the races.
     
    Did I miss something? Have I woken up this morning in some alternate universe?

    If that's what the left is calling for now, I say let's give it to them. I'm getting on that bandwagon. Coexist! Climate Justice Now! Impeach Trump!
  291. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Freedom of association means any black family with the income down payment credit rating and job security the White neighbors have can also buy any house in the block."

    Not correct. Freedom of association is a right inalienable by government, meaning, the government cannot infringe upon it, they way that it currently does. You are conflating that concept with the idea that freedom of association allows an individual, or group, the right to associate with private parties who otherwise would not have them. It doesn't. The same misconception is made about freedom of speech. The 1A is meant to prevent the G from censoring you, not other non government entities. The same concept applies to freedom of association.

    In a just society, communities would be able to decide who gets to live among them and who doesn't, and who they do business with, free of government interference.

    Sorry but I nave to disagree. The tools of the community are limited. I do have to presume that only tool the community is to ignore unwonted person. If the community resort to harassment then government has a right to interfere.
    Maybe other tool could be to influence the realtor to ask unwonted person elevated price for property.

  292. @Amon
    I feel it's time to revive the medieval practice of building citadels to enforce the safety and peace in white suburbia communities and towns, a big beautiful wall will keep out pesky thugs and criminals as well as foreign/domestic government elements that wish to destroy said communities.

    Hell, a fortification in the form of a wall around white sections of a city would go hand in hand with the progressive lefts call for segregation of the races.

    Your last sentence is correct Gated communities have a right to decide who lives there, The reason is that they did pay for the wall and they are paying for security.

  293. @Emslander

    Then go live with your black buddy in a majority black city, Cuck Boy.
     
    See there. You've managed to illustrate the truth of my point excellently. An adult discussion doesn't devolve into juvenile personal invective.

    If you have actual experience in the world, you quickly lose whatever individual disappointments you might have had with people you've managed to identify by race or religion. You learn that all the other humans can behave in a disappointing manner at one time or another. The key is to protect yourself prudently, trust no one too much, but expect that occasionally you'll be pleasantly surprised from the most unexpected quarters, often disabusing your former tendency to prejudice.

    See there. You’ve managed to illustrate the truth of my point excellently. An adult discussion doesn’t devolve into juvenile personal invective.

    Adults don’t play pretend, Hondo.

    Nothing complicated about it. If you like blacks, and think that MOST of them are swell folks, then go live with them.

    Leftists and their brethren in Conservativism Inc never seem to get around to that.

    ???

    What they really mean, ( and this is the way they’ve always been) is do what we say, not as we do.

    It’s the same thing we see over and over when the Jew Hollyweird crowds candidate loses an election. The squeal like a bunch of little girls and threaten to leave the US…lol

    Of course, the vast majority never leave because the tax rates in Europe and Canada and other WHITE majority nations put a big pinch on their pocketbook.

    It’s curious that they never consider places like Brazzaville, Luanda or Maputo.

    Shit, how about Managua or Tegucigalpa?

    In short, your kind are the worst combination imaginable. 33 1/3rd pussy 33 1/3rd hypocrite and 33 1/3rd liar.

  294. @Amon
    I feel it's time to revive the medieval practice of building citadels to enforce the safety and peace in white suburbia communities and towns, a big beautiful wall will keep out pesky thugs and criminals as well as foreign/domestic government elements that wish to destroy said communities.

    Hell, a fortification in the form of a wall around white sections of a city would go hand in hand with the progressive lefts call for segregation of the races.

    the progressive lefts call for segregation of the races.

    Did I miss something? Have I woken up this morning in some alternate universe?

    If that’s what the left is calling for now, I say let’s give it to them. I’m getting on that bandwagon. Coexist! Climate Justice Now! Impeach Trump!

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Amon
    Safe spaces = segregation.

    Think about it, they keep saying minorities need spaces for them alone where they go to get away from white people.

    If that is not a call for segregation, i don't know what is.
  295. @AnalogMan

    the progressive lefts call for segregation of the races.
     
    Did I miss something? Have I woken up this morning in some alternate universe?

    If that's what the left is calling for now, I say let's give it to them. I'm getting on that bandwagon. Coexist! Climate Justice Now! Impeach Trump!

    Safe spaces = segregation.

    Think about it, they keep saying minorities need spaces for them alone where they go to get away from white people.

    If that is not a call for segregation, i don’t know what is.

  296. @John Johnson
    There is a reason, outside of public housing projects, high rise developments are not for poor people. They cost more to build.

    This is correct.

    They cost more to build and the luxury units can be difficult to move.

    It's a very limited number of people that can afford a penthouse unit and want to buy one instead of a house. The model can work in NY where you don't have much of a choice. But in LA the skyline hasn't changed much because people would rather buy a house with a view.

    Not as true in downtown L.A. and surrounding neighborhoods any more. New high-rise apartments and condo buildings are going up at a rapid clip. The population of downtown, Little Tokyo, Skid Row, Fashion or Toy District, South Park, and other nearby neighborhoods, increases every year. There are few freestanding houses being built in this area compared to these many TENS OF THOUSANDS of units in the newer buildings.

    Every time my wife and I see another construction site, we say sarcastically, “Hey that’s great! Five hundred more apartments we can’t afford.” I’d add here, “bringing in people who mostly don’t like us.”

  297. @Mr. Rational

    Biggest problem with gated enclaves is that residents have to leave the fortress for work school shopping entertainment etc etc.
     
    This is why I have proposed the "Members Only" scheme for gated communities, shopping malls, entertainment districts, private parks, office complexes and apartment buildings.  They'd be walled, with membership checked at all entry points.  You'd have to be well-behaved to buy a membership, and your membership could be restricted or revoked for bad behavior or misbehavior by one of your guests.  If any bad eggs get in, they'll soon get sorted out again.

    Imagine what this could do for a "dying mall".  The demographic which does all the mobbing and shoplifting wouldn't be accepted for membership even if they bothered to apply.  Suddenly all the problem people would be gone, and customers would come back.

    Imagine a shopping mall connected to an office complex and a condo complex by pedestrian/scooter skyways which allow no street access.  No street access, no street criminals.  The criminals would probably stop coming around, because from their perspective the area would be a wasteland like an Interstate freeway.

    Minneapolis has a setup like that, much of the central part of the city has an indoor walkway connecting it. It was surely built so people could spend their days protected from the cold many months of the year. It’s like an endless mall, and it’s basically all business and professional people, it also connects to downtown hotels to bring in the tourist dollar. It was nice when I was there 20 years ago.

  298. @Mr McKenna

    Something about the 60s annihilated the cities.
     
    Something about the 60s annihilated the country. And it's now annihilating all the other (white) countries, one by one.

    The amazing thing is that so many people believe that the solution is to enforce much more of what the 60s were all about, only harder and faster. Rather than look at what society was like before the 60s, and how we might get back to that kind of civility. Brainwashing from the mass media means people won't even think about it.

    What took place in the 60’s was essentially a Marxist Revolution. The (((Usual Suspects))) who slimed their way in during the early 30’s from Germany and Eastern Europe, with plenty of help from the already decadent Yankee WASP’s, destroyed the nation’s culture and institutions from within.

    For laughter they make bread, and wine that the living may feast: and all things obey money.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    Really? America is not capitalist.

    I always wonder why obviously poorer whites like you would want more unbridled capitalism when your roads have potholes, your bridges are collapsing and the plutocracy of oligarchs completely ignores your poverty.

    Why do countries like Australia with higher minimum wages and more public spending have lower crime and higher life expectancy when they are more socialist than the US?
  299. @Dannyboy
    What took place in the 60's was essentially a Marxist Revolution. The (((Usual Suspects))) who slimed their way in during the early 30's from Germany and Eastern Europe, with plenty of help from the already decadent Yankee WASP's, destroyed the nation's culture and institutions from within.

    For laughter they make bread, and wine that the living may feast: and all things obey money.

     

    Really? America is not capitalist.

    I always wonder why obviously poorer whites like you would want more unbridled capitalism when your roads have potholes, your bridges are collapsing and the plutocracy of oligarchs completely ignores your poverty.

    Why do countries like Australia with higher minimum wages and more public spending have lower crime and higher life expectancy when they are more socialist than the US?

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
    Australia is relatively capitalistic by international standards, certainly moreso than continental Europe.
  300. @Amon
    Commie has no useful response and uses insults to cover up for that fact, but it is not very effective.

    Keep dreaming commie, maybe someday the big scary government will provide you with permanent housing when you fail to pay off your useless degrees.

    Your argument was that property owners being able to build on their own effing property was communism. I don’t need to “respond” to it. Merely restating it shows how moronic it is.

  301. @Jeff Stryker
    Really? America is not capitalist.

    I always wonder why obviously poorer whites like you would want more unbridled capitalism when your roads have potholes, your bridges are collapsing and the plutocracy of oligarchs completely ignores your poverty.

    Why do countries like Australia with higher minimum wages and more public spending have lower crime and higher life expectancy when they are more socialist than the US?

    Australia is relatively capitalistic by international standards, certainly moreso than continental Europe.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    Then why doesn't Australian have the poverty or crime of America? Compare the Bush fires to Katrina where the US government ignored Louisiana.

    What is the difference? Sure, there are few down and outs in Australia but not the armies of white homeless people in America and certainly most of the Australian homeless are junkies or winos who live outside out of choice.

    Why are wages higher in Australia and the middle class stronger than America if America is all about "family values" and yet ordinary law-abiding white people are homeless in America.

    How does Capitalism create a nightmare of inequality, violence and despair among the US middle class which is now disappearing but in Australian the middle class is going strong?

    What does Australia do that America does not do?
  302. They actually think this will stop white flight? It may stop those fleeing from relocating within the state, but there are 49 other states one may choose to live in. What it does have the possibility of doing, knowing that the surrounding homeowners, their properties, and their activities, can all negatively impact your home’s value, is flooding the housing market, thus plunging the price of said housing, and ultimately lowering appraisal values and the tax base derived from them. Take some time and check out the lyrics of the most popular rap songs within the last few years. The problems seen presently in most U.S. cities stems from a preferred lifestyle vividly described in these rap “songs”. Where they live will not effect the choices they make in life. Where they live will not magically endow them with impulse control, respect for life, or self discipline. For the last 30 or so years in the U.S., there has been fostered amongst the inner city black population in general, and young black males in particular, a kind of artificial culture. A culture that embraces or maybe even worships money, but never money which had been acquired through honest means. Women have been renamed “bitches and ho’s”, they are constantly objectified, and almost never committed to and respected for the sake of their progeny. Drugs are another pillar, alongside guns, in this new artificial culture. One of the most powerful aspect of this culture, in respect to how it continues to spread and why it’s embraced to the extent that it is, is peer pressure. If a black high school kid is seen reading and learning in a majority black school, he is rebuked by his peers and is said to be “trying to be white”. This is why almost none of them can read after 3 years of highschool at even a 3rd grade level. This is in a city with a black mayor, all black school board, all black administrators and almost all black teachers, and more funding courtesy of the Federal government than average schools. It is not poverty that is directing the failure of predominantly black schools. The failure of the schools reflects the failure of the neighborhoods. The reason their neighborhoods and schools are the way they are lies solely in their own hands. It happens when personal responsibility is skirted for victimhood. When starting small and patiently working hard to grow your skill set and wealth is laughed at as a suckers way, while their EBT cards are filling up with money as they sit in section 8 housing. Racism is not keeping them down. They are keeping themselves down. White neighborhoods are’t keeping them down, either. The affluent wealthy liberals of Virginia will find out soon enough that this new culture and it’s adherents carries with them an extreme hatred of white people. The more that this neighborhood rezoning brings in blacks, the more crimes against whites will occur.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    If a black high school kid is seen reading and learning in a majority black school, he is rebuked by his peers and is said to be “trying to be white”. This is why almost none of them can read after 3 years of highschool at even a 3rd grade level.
     
    This is why more than 6 years (K-5) of public education must be a PRIVILEGE based on behavior and accomplishment, not a "right".  You must buckle down and ACHIEVE or have someone pay for you, because the public should not be on the hook for your inability or refusal to learn.  YOU have agency.  YOU are responsible.

    Exile must be on the table for failures, or those who allow their children to be failures.
    , @Jeff Stryker
    Not many blacks want to live in the Ozarks on a rutted dirt road 10 miles from the nearest Wal Mart or Opoid Rehab center.
  303. @JCKNTHBX
    They actually think this will stop white flight? It may stop those fleeing from relocating within the state, but there are 49 other states one may choose to live in. What it does have the possibility of doing, knowing that the surrounding homeowners, their properties, and their activities, can all negatively impact your home's value, is flooding the housing market, thus plunging the price of said housing, and ultimately lowering appraisal values and the tax base derived from them. Take some time and check out the lyrics of the most popular rap songs within the last few years. The problems seen presently in most U.S. cities stems from a preferred lifestyle vividly described in these rap "songs". Where they live will not effect the choices they make in life. Where they live will not magically endow them with impulse control, respect for life, or self discipline. For the last 30 or so years in the U.S., there has been fostered amongst the inner city black population in general, and young black males in particular, a kind of artificial culture. A culture that embraces or maybe even worships money, but never money which had been acquired through honest means. Women have been renamed "bitches and ho's", they are constantly objectified, and almost never committed to and respected for the sake of their progeny. Drugs are another pillar, alongside guns, in this new artificial culture. One of the most powerful aspect of this culture, in respect to how it continues to spread and why it's embraced to the extent that it is, is peer pressure. If a black high school kid is seen reading and learning in a majority black school, he is rebuked by his peers and is said to be "trying to be white". This is why almost none of them can read after 3 years of highschool at even a 3rd grade level. This is in a city with a black mayor, all black school board, all black administrators and almost all black teachers, and more funding courtesy of the Federal government than average schools. It is not poverty that is directing the failure of predominantly black schools. The failure of the schools reflects the failure of the neighborhoods. The reason their neighborhoods and schools are the way they are lies solely in their own hands. It happens when personal responsibility is skirted for victimhood. When starting small and patiently working hard to grow your skill set and wealth is laughed at as a suckers way, while their EBT cards are filling up with money as they sit in section 8 housing. Racism is not keeping them down. They are keeping themselves down. White neighborhoods are't keeping them down, either. The affluent wealthy liberals of Virginia will find out soon enough that this new culture and it's adherents carries with them an extreme hatred of white people. The more that this neighborhood rezoning brings in blacks, the more crimes against whites will occur.

    If a black high school kid is seen reading and learning in a majority black school, he is rebuked by his peers and is said to be “trying to be white”. This is why almost none of them can read after 3 years of highschool at even a 3rd grade level.

    This is why more than 6 years (K-5) of public education must be a PRIVILEGE based on behavior and accomplishment, not a “right”.  You must buckle down and ACHIEVE or have someone pay for you, because the public should not be on the hook for your inability or refusal to learn.  YOU have agency.  YOU are responsible.

    Exile must be on the table for failures, or those who allow their children to be failures.

  304. @Alexander Turok
    Australia is relatively capitalistic by international standards, certainly moreso than continental Europe.

    Then why doesn’t Australian have the poverty or crime of America? Compare the Bush fires to Katrina where the US government ignored Louisiana.

    What is the difference? Sure, there are few down and outs in Australia but not the armies of white homeless people in America and certainly most of the Australian homeless are junkies or winos who live outside out of choice.

    Why are wages higher in Australia and the middle class stronger than America if America is all about “family values” and yet ordinary law-abiding white people are homeless in America.

    How does Capitalism create a nightmare of inequality, violence and despair among the US middle class which is now disappearing but in Australian the middle class is going strong?

    What does Australia do that America does not do?

    • Replies: @Anon
    Australia is very high labor union including the office and “ professional “ workers. Also was very much the ideal combo of small and big capitalism and socialism meaning government help for business and protection, rather than exploitation and disposal of workers.

    America has always been cannibal capitalism and vicious exploitation of workers, from Doctors to dishwashers. There were a few decades after WW2 when the greatest generation and the older boomers enjoyed an Australian level life style.
    Then White men passed the 65 unlimited non White immigration act and it was all over.
    , @Alexander Turok

    certainly most of the Australian homeless are junkies or winos who live outside out of choice.

     

    I think the same is true for the American homeless.

    Why are wages higher in Australia and the middle class stronger than America

     

    I don't know that that is true. Stats?
    , @sb
    Australia has a much stronger sense of community.
    Americans also have this in relatively homogeneous communities but they are
    becoming fewer and fewer
    You need more than a flag and a national anthem for a sense of community-blood and soil has a lot to do with it
    Mind you I can see Australia going America's way-the culture of individualism is growing

    In terms of stats Australia does a lot better on median wealth type stats han GDP numbers where the US shines
  305. @JCKNTHBX
    They actually think this will stop white flight? It may stop those fleeing from relocating within the state, but there are 49 other states one may choose to live in. What it does have the possibility of doing, knowing that the surrounding homeowners, their properties, and their activities, can all negatively impact your home's value, is flooding the housing market, thus plunging the price of said housing, and ultimately lowering appraisal values and the tax base derived from them. Take some time and check out the lyrics of the most popular rap songs within the last few years. The problems seen presently in most U.S. cities stems from a preferred lifestyle vividly described in these rap "songs". Where they live will not effect the choices they make in life. Where they live will not magically endow them with impulse control, respect for life, or self discipline. For the last 30 or so years in the U.S., there has been fostered amongst the inner city black population in general, and young black males in particular, a kind of artificial culture. A culture that embraces or maybe even worships money, but never money which had been acquired through honest means. Women have been renamed "bitches and ho's", they are constantly objectified, and almost never committed to and respected for the sake of their progeny. Drugs are another pillar, alongside guns, in this new artificial culture. One of the most powerful aspect of this culture, in respect to how it continues to spread and why it's embraced to the extent that it is, is peer pressure. If a black high school kid is seen reading and learning in a majority black school, he is rebuked by his peers and is said to be "trying to be white". This is why almost none of them can read after 3 years of highschool at even a 3rd grade level. This is in a city with a black mayor, all black school board, all black administrators and almost all black teachers, and more funding courtesy of the Federal government than average schools. It is not poverty that is directing the failure of predominantly black schools. The failure of the schools reflects the failure of the neighborhoods. The reason their neighborhoods and schools are the way they are lies solely in their own hands. It happens when personal responsibility is skirted for victimhood. When starting small and patiently working hard to grow your skill set and wealth is laughed at as a suckers way, while their EBT cards are filling up with money as they sit in section 8 housing. Racism is not keeping them down. They are keeping themselves down. White neighborhoods are't keeping them down, either. The affluent wealthy liberals of Virginia will find out soon enough that this new culture and it's adherents carries with them an extreme hatred of white people. The more that this neighborhood rezoning brings in blacks, the more crimes against whites will occur.

    Not many blacks want to live in the Ozarks on a rutted dirt road 10 miles from the nearest Wal Mart or Opoid Rehab center.

  306. Anon[844] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Stryker
    Then why doesn't Australian have the poverty or crime of America? Compare the Bush fires to Katrina where the US government ignored Louisiana.

    What is the difference? Sure, there are few down and outs in Australia but not the armies of white homeless people in America and certainly most of the Australian homeless are junkies or winos who live outside out of choice.

    Why are wages higher in Australia and the middle class stronger than America if America is all about "family values" and yet ordinary law-abiding white people are homeless in America.

    How does Capitalism create a nightmare of inequality, violence and despair among the US middle class which is now disappearing but in Australian the middle class is going strong?

    What does Australia do that America does not do?

    Australia is very high labor union including the office and “ professional “ workers. Also was very much the ideal combo of small and big capitalism and socialism meaning government help for business and protection, rather than exploitation and disposal of workers.

    America has always been cannibal capitalism and vicious exploitation of workers, from Doctors to dishwashers. There were a few decades after WW2 when the greatest generation and the older boomers enjoyed an Australian level life style.
    Then White men passed the 65 unlimited non White immigration act and it was all over.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    Australia was the country that got all the Vietnamese after that American war. And Australia has always been multicultural. I'm not saying this is not a problem but Australia does not have vast no-go areas like America does.

    Mestizos and blacks did not come in 1965. Mestizos killed everyone at the Alamo in the 1800's. African Americans have been in America longer than many European-Americans-Donald Trump's father was conceived in Germany and his mother born in Scotland, for example.
    , @anarchyst
    To paraphrase a famous song “We Didn’t Start the Fire” by Billy Joel, it’s not every “boomer” that is the problem. In fact, many of us boomers struggled through life, but finally “made it”.

    I am a “boomer” who has worked all my life, starting at 12 years of age. Being one of 8 children, life for my parents and us was not easy, but we all persevered in our own ways and were successful in life.

    Nobody ever gave me anything. What I did was gained “with the sweat of my brow”.

    If there is any “blame” to be placed, it must be placed at those of previous generations, especially the “greatest generation”, that formulated and passed many of the destructive laws and customs that we live under to this day.

    From the enactment of the federal income tax and the creation of the unconstitutional Federal Reserve cartel, previous generations have a lot to answer for.

    The “greatest generation” was duped into fighting a war for European (jewish) interests, destroying much of European culture as a result, and solidifying international jewish power by NOT going after the REAL enemies of human culture, legitimizing the state of Israel, thereby consolidating jewish power, and assuring the jewish zionist hold on the world political process.

    Let’s not forget that the “greatest generation” pushed for the terribly misguided “civil-rights” acts, statutes and laws, which effectively disenfranchised whites (but only whites) with the abolition of “freedom of association” (but only for whites). In fact, federal troops were used against law-abiding whites in violation of “posse comitatus” laws which prohibit utilizing the military for domestic law enforcement purposes. Whites have been effectively neutered since these laws were passed. Forced integration of schools (cross-district bussing and other schemes) was enforced by leftist judges who insisted that blacks needed to sit next to whites in order to learn.

    The “elephant in the room” to which blame can be squarely put on the “greatest generation” was the “Hart-Celler Immigration Act of 1965. This act successfully cut off the immigration for white Europeans while opening up the floodgates for third-world brown and black immigration.

    Both major political parties were responsible for this travesty. Democrats saw increasing third-world immigration as a source for votes while the Republicans saw it as a source of cheap labor.

    The wages of native-born Americans have not increased in real terms since 1970, that point in time being seen as the “high-water mark” in relation to wage growth. There has not been any “wage growth” since then.

    All of the above can be attributed to those of the “greatest generation”...
  307. @Jeff Stryker
    Then why doesn't Australian have the poverty or crime of America? Compare the Bush fires to Katrina where the US government ignored Louisiana.

    What is the difference? Sure, there are few down and outs in Australia but not the armies of white homeless people in America and certainly most of the Australian homeless are junkies or winos who live outside out of choice.

    Why are wages higher in Australia and the middle class stronger than America if America is all about "family values" and yet ordinary law-abiding white people are homeless in America.

    How does Capitalism create a nightmare of inequality, violence and despair among the US middle class which is now disappearing but in Australian the middle class is going strong?

    What does Australia do that America does not do?

    certainly most of the Australian homeless are junkies or winos who live outside out of choice.

    I think the same is true for the American homeless.

    Why are wages higher in Australia and the middle class stronger than America

    I don’t know that that is true. Stats?

  308. @Anon
    Australia is very high labor union including the office and “ professional “ workers. Also was very much the ideal combo of small and big capitalism and socialism meaning government help for business and protection, rather than exploitation and disposal of workers.

    America has always been cannibal capitalism and vicious exploitation of workers, from Doctors to dishwashers. There were a few decades after WW2 when the greatest generation and the older boomers enjoyed an Australian level life style.
    Then White men passed the 65 unlimited non White immigration act and it was all over.

    Australia was the country that got all the Vietnamese after that American war. And Australia has always been multicultural. I’m not saying this is not a problem but Australia does not have vast no-go areas like America does.

    Mestizos and blacks did not come in 1965. Mestizos killed everyone at the Alamo in the 1800’s. African Americans have been in America longer than many European-Americans-Donald Trump’s father was conceived in Germany and his mother born in Scotland, for example.

  309. @Jeff Stryker
    Then why doesn't Australian have the poverty or crime of America? Compare the Bush fires to Katrina where the US government ignored Louisiana.

    What is the difference? Sure, there are few down and outs in Australia but not the armies of white homeless people in America and certainly most of the Australian homeless are junkies or winos who live outside out of choice.

    Why are wages higher in Australia and the middle class stronger than America if America is all about "family values" and yet ordinary law-abiding white people are homeless in America.

    How does Capitalism create a nightmare of inequality, violence and despair among the US middle class which is now disappearing but in Australian the middle class is going strong?

    What does Australia do that America does not do?

    Australia has a much stronger sense of community.
    Americans also have this in relatively homogeneous communities but they are
    becoming fewer and fewer
    You need more than a flag and a national anthem for a sense of community-blood and soil has a lot to do with it
    Mind you I can see Australia going America’s way-the culture of individualism is growing

    In terms of stats Australia does a lot better on median wealth type stats han GDP numbers where the US shines

    • Replies: @Not Woke--Not Broke
    sb-------------Yeah,Australia has a lot going for it,i.e. fewer Blacks.However,it's gun laws remind me of New Jersey. New Zealand was once a desireable bolt hole for wealthy Americans. Sadly it is now both Islamo-friendly,and run by women.
  310. @sb
    Australia has a much stronger sense of community.
    Americans also have this in relatively homogeneous communities but they are
    becoming fewer and fewer
    You need more than a flag and a national anthem for a sense of community-blood and soil has a lot to do with it
    Mind you I can see Australia going America's way-the culture of individualism is growing

    In terms of stats Australia does a lot better on median wealth type stats han GDP numbers where the US shines

    sb————-Yeah,Australia has a lot going for it,i.e. fewer Blacks.However,it’s gun laws remind me of New Jersey. New Zealand was once a desireable bolt hole for wealthy Americans. Sadly it is now both Islamo-friendly,and run by women.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    Neither of those things are why Newark has high crime.
  311. @Jim in Jersey
    As a sole purpose, I see no need for it. Pointing out a misspelled word or misused phrase during a rebuttal or a comment is one thing. Logging on with the intention of providing ‘grammar police’ support is frowned on by me.

    But, who am I?

    “But, who am I?”

    Well…excuse me…and hopefully someone will correct me if I am wrong…but shouldn’t you have said:

    “But, who am me?”

    • Replies: @Jim in Jersey
    More appropriately, “who be me?”
    , @AnalogMan
    No. The verb "to be" never takes an object.
  312. @Anon
    Australia is very high labor union including the office and “ professional “ workers. Also was very much the ideal combo of small and big capitalism and socialism meaning government help for business and protection, rather than exploitation and disposal of workers.

    America has always been cannibal capitalism and vicious exploitation of workers, from Doctors to dishwashers. There were a few decades after WW2 when the greatest generation and the older boomers enjoyed an Australian level life style.
    Then White men passed the 65 unlimited non White immigration act and it was all over.

    To paraphrase a famous song “We Didn’t Start the Fire” by Billy Joel, it’s not every “boomer” that is the problem. In fact, many of us boomers struggled through life, but finally “made it”.

    I am a “boomer” who has worked all my life, starting at 12 years of age. Being one of 8 children, life for my parents and us was not easy, but we all persevered in our own ways and were successful in life.

    Nobody ever gave me anything. What I did was gained “with the sweat of my brow”.

    If there is any “blame” to be placed, it must be placed at those of previous generations, especially the “greatest generation”, that formulated and passed many of the destructive laws and customs that we live under to this day.

    From the enactment of the federal income tax and the creation of the unconstitutional Federal Reserve cartel, previous generations have a lot to answer for.

    The “greatest generation” was duped into fighting a war for European (jewish) interests, destroying much of European culture as a result, and solidifying international jewish power by NOT going after the REAL enemies of human culture, legitimizing the state of Israel, thereby consolidating jewish power, and assuring the jewish zionist hold on the world political process.

    Let’s not forget that the “greatest generation” pushed for the terribly misguided “civil-rights” acts, statutes and laws, which effectively disenfranchised whites (but only whites) with the abolition of “freedom of association” (but only for whites). In fact, federal troops were used against law-abiding whites in violation of “posse comitatus” laws which prohibit utilizing the military for domestic law enforcement purposes. Whites have been effectively neutered since these laws were passed. Forced integration of schools (cross-district bussing and other schemes) was enforced by leftist judges who insisted that blacks needed to sit next to whites in order to learn.

    The “elephant in the room” to which blame can be squarely put on the “greatest generation” was the “Hart-Celler Immigration Act of 1965. This act successfully cut off the immigration for white Europeans while opening up the floodgates for third-world brown and black immigration.

    Both major political parties were responsible for this travesty. Democrats saw increasing third-world immigration as a source for votes while the Republicans saw it as a source of cheap labor.

    The wages of native-born Americans have not increased in real terms since 1970, that point in time being seen as the “high-water mark” in relation to wage growth. There has not been any “wage growth” since then.

    All of the above can be attributed to those of the “greatest generation”

  313. @Not Woke--Not Broke
    sb-------------Yeah,Australia has a lot going for it,i.e. fewer Blacks.However,it's gun laws remind me of New Jersey. New Zealand was once a desireable bolt hole for wealthy Americans. Sadly it is now both Islamo-friendly,and run by women.

    Neither of those things are why Newark has high crime.

    • Replies: @Not Woke--Not Broke
    Jeff Stryker----------Newark crime is Black crime. If Blacks do go to the same heaven as Whites,Saint Peter at the gate won't be enough.I want my modest mansion to have a little chain link.
  314. @Jeff Stryker
    Neither of those things are why Newark has high crime.

    Jeff Stryker———-Newark crime is Black crime. If Blacks do go to the same heaven as Whites,Saint Peter at the gate won’t be enough.I want my modest mansion to have a little chain link.

  315. @JoeFour
    "But, who am I?"

    Well...excuse me...and hopefully someone will correct me if I am wrong...but shouldn't you have said:

    "But, who am me?"

    More appropriately, “who be me?”

    • Replies: @JoeFour
    Jim, I think you nailed it! LOL
  316. @JoeFour
    "But, who am I?"

    Well...excuse me...and hopefully someone will correct me if I am wrong...but shouldn't you have said:

    "But, who am me?"

    No. The verb “to be” never takes an object.

  317. @Jim in Jersey
    More appropriately, “who be me?”

    Jim, I think you nailed it! LOL

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