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Gun violence, drug involvement and criminality… all problems plaguing the black community in St. Petersburg. And all these problems a black pastor attributes to white racism/systemic racism because black people in 21st century America can’t be expected to have moral agency. [Pastor Attributes St. Petersburg Violence To Racism, Coronavirus Pandemic As Officials Urge Calm, WJCT.com, December 4, 2020]:

There’s no clear pattern to several shootings in St. Petersburg in the last month, including Wednesday night’s killing by police of a man wanted in connection to a murder.

But one thing is clear: the economic downturn caused by the pandemic is hitting minorities hard.

The Rev. Kenny Irby is pastor of the Historic Bethel AME Church and is St. Petersburg’s Community Intervention Director, focusing on the city’s young African American residents. The violence, he says, may be provoked by systemic racism experienced by the Black community.

“It creates levels of stress that clinical psychologists and sociologists would definitely tell you, yes, there is exponential stress in our homes, and people are much more on edge,” Irby said. “Now, going back to the actual cases of the murders that have happened recently, I’m not so sure you can make that connection, though.

“The unrest we are experiencing in the southern segment of St. Petersburg — though long in the making — structural racism greatly impacts marginalized people in disproportionate ways,” Irby continued. “Gun violence, drug involvement and criminality are the the effects of hopelessness and poverty.”

In November, there were seven shooting incidents in St. Petersburg that left three people dead and injured several others.

On Wednesday afternoon, a suspect in a child abuse case was fatally shot, one police officer suffered a gunshot wound, and another was injured after the man fired several rounds at detectives outside a St. Petersburg convenience store.

That suspect, 20-year-old Dominique Harris, also was wanted for questioning in connection with a September homicide.

Irby says he sees a disconnect between these tragedies and real consequences.

“Here’s the reality: the young people have to understand that there’s no reset button,” he said. “They see this kind of firearm usage and violence and they press restart and the game starts over. But in real life, there’s no restart.”

St. Petersburg officials asked for calm during a news conference Thursday after the latest in a series of gun violence in the city.

St. Petersburg Police Chief Anthony Holloway said the department is going to continue to build bridges with the city’s black community.

“We ask for everyone to continue to remain calm, wait for the facts to come up as involved in this shooting, so that the state attorney’s office and the sheriff’s office task force can conclude their criminal investigation and the St. Pete Police Department can do the review of policy in regards to the shooting,” Hollloway said.

While St. Petersburg Mayor Rick Kriseman praised “the officers’ bravery” during the news conference, he said he was “saddened by the loss of a man’s life.”

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“On days like (Wednesday), it doesn’t matter what we’ve accomplished, how safe St. Pete is, how improved the relationship is between the police department and our community, or how much we’ve done to create opportunities for young people,” Kriseman said. “Nobody wants to hear about progress when one person is in the hospital and another is in the morgue.”

City council member Lisa Wheeler-Bowman has called for a Saturday rally to highlight the economic and social troubles plaguing the Midtown area.

The rally will be held at noon to highlight the economic and social troubles plaguing the Midtown area. “Enough is Enough” will be held near the latest shooting scene, at the corner of 34th Street South and 18th Avenue South.

There are no bridges to build. If every problem black individuals collectively create for their community can be attributed to white people/systemic racism/structural inequality/implicit bias/white privilege, then we will forever negate moral agency for Africans in America.

 

 
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  1. 2021 looks to be a wonderful year.

    • LOL: profnasty
  2. Charles says:

    Is it necessary for police to “build bridges” to White “communities”? Of course not, even the blackest black pastor would say. Why not? If only the typical black pastor was asked “WHY do black ‘communities’ not respect law enforcement?”

  3. Wake up says:

    Is is Whitey’s fault that 75% of Black children are born out of wedlock?

  4. Finally, a slogan I can support. “Enough is Enough” should be the war cry of decent white citizens, pushback is needed now, more than ever.

  5. “Nobody wants to hear about progress when one person is in the hospital and another is in the morgue.” LOL because the word progress has no meaning for primitive peoples such as blacks. What the hell do blacks anywhere in the world know about progress. Your whole race has to move to where the progress is because you never created it,Whites do .Whites created progress and now you blacks have ended it.

  6. metagross says:

    Fairly certain that blacks have a high murder rate with or without racism.

  7. anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:

    If there was less racism and more hiring of blacks then I think there would be less violence in black communities.

  8. Once again if whites are so evil and racist why don’t you blacks leave us alone and stay away. Stay in “the community” and let the “revrund” be the leader.
    You are not welcome anywhere where civilized people reside.

  9. The violence, he says, may be provoked by systemic racism experienced by the Black community.

    Who trained orcs to parrot nonsense terms like ‘systemic racism?’ From shitlib to rabbi to red china there are enough suspects weaponizing orcs to create a new Clue game.

  10. RickTen99 says:

    The negro community has been singing the same song for 60yrs. It ain’t beein’ our peeples fault. We beez held down by da whiteman. The news media and politicians bite every time and swallow the story hook, line and sinker. Same song sung by different generations complaining about the problems they cause.

    • Replies: @AnalogMan
    , @anonymous
  11. NN2N1 says:

    The bigger issue here is…..

    The growing number of Black Racists (Anti-White/Anti-Asian/Anti-etc…) will buy into this obviously loony tune narrative. Then start blaming Vendors and Manufacturers to avoid accepting community/Cultural responsibility .

    FBI CRIME TABLE 6 SHOWS
    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
    Black or African American Victims = 2,925
    Black or African American Shooters = 2,600 of which 2,430 were Male Black or African American Or a 88.8% chance the murder was Black On Black.

    You can check Obama years and pretty much see the same.
    2015

    Black or African American 2,664 victims / 2,380 shooters = 89.3% Black on Black murders.

    But the likelihood of a White shooting a Black or African American is only about 8.69%
    Extrapolated Fact: Black or African American is 10x’s safer around a White person than another Black or African American.

    Now toss in Black or African Americans make up roughly 14% of the population. But continue to account for percentages ranging from 37 to 41% of all murders in the USA.
    Figures that range from 2x+ to almost 3x+ of population percentages.

    I would say just given the Official Documented Crime/Murder statistics, the Black Community needs to quit blaming others and start addressing a serious internal Community/ Cultural issue.

  12. DMZABO says:

    Ok even if every human being were blind…..Whites would still be R A C I S T ! According to negro pastors and Marxist media. This B. S. will never stop till either we segregate forever or repatriate the entire American negro community back to Wakanda. a.k.a. Liberia Where they belong anyway.

  13. Whites are making a Herculean effort to gentrify downtown St Pete’s. The sad reality is that criminal blacks ruin what would otherwise be a nice place. If there were no black population, the area would be paradise on the Gulf of Mexico.

    St Pete’s is a bit like modern Cape Town, South Africa. Beautiful, but relatively dangerous for whites if you stray away from protection.

  14. m. says:

    try lack of morality & responsibility in the negro community

    • Agree: DMZABO
    • Replies: @m.
    , @Bite Moi
  15. I know like most of you I didn’t see this coming. On the one hand you have perhaps the greatest treasure the world has ever known: The African American Community whose peaceful ways and kindnesses have been spoken of for generations. On the other hand, the random, out of the blue eruptions of violence that have once again plagued their beautiful, decent neighborhoods robbing them of their young men just entering their prime. It reminds me of Europe where so many of the best Europeans were taken by 2 World Wars leaving Europe’s future in doubt.

    I have no words, no solutions. I am dumbfounded. How can this happen to such fine people? I personally would if I could afford it move into an African American neighborhood to enjoy the finely manicured lawns and spacious artistic court yards but alas I just can’t earn that kind of money. Oh and I have to admit the rising property values that go hand in hand with being there. To see them suffer is to be robbed of their vibrancy, their laughter, their playfulness. We are all suffering their loss.

    I dearly hope and pray that a solution can be found soon before we lose any more.

  16. Back when I was in my early teens or thereabouts, a popular saying (which was jokingly used to excuse minor mistakes and misdeeds) was commonly heard~ namely, “the devil made me do it!” Now, blacks have taken that saying and morphed it into “the white devil made me do it!” Except, for them, it’s not a joke or a funny saying that’s made to get a laugh- many of them really believe that white people are causing them to do all sorts of heinous things and that they aren’t at fault for any of it.

    We’ve gone from “I dindu nuffin!” to “You made me do it, you white honky debbil!” Somehow, I (sitting at home and not bothering anyone or doing anything to hurt anyone in any way) am responsible for Demontrae shooting Jamal in the head, Cleophus for shooting up on heroin and dying of an overdose and Sharnaynay for going into a store and stealing like an eight armed shoplifting octopus. Of course, we mustn’t forget how I caused Lakwanda to bed down with 8 baby daddies and pop out kids like they were shooting out of a pez dispenser. Who knew?

    As is, let’s just cut to the chase as usual. This is nothing but blacks blaming someone else for their own behaviors so they can squeal for gibsmedats from the “people who are causin’ us all dese problems!” It’s just another cheap hustle- another negro money grab. Bring on da programs for da chil’ren! Sumbody gots to fix all dis! Sumbody gots to take responsibility for all dis!

    Sorry, pastor, but just like so many of your kind, you’re pathetic beyond belief.

    • Agree: WSG
  17. Wyatt says:

    It’s always easier to blame others than except one’s own racial incompetence. Criminals in fucking every country they reside in, but it’s always someone else’s fault.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africans_in_Guangzhou#Crime

    Jogger jogger tell them lies,
    black face and bloodshot eyes,
    crooked toes and crooked nose,
    that’s the way a jogger goes!
    (That’s how he goes)

  18. @GiveMeEqualityOrGiveMeDeath

    Julie?

    Don’t forget the spicy food and festive dancing!

    😉

    • Agree: loren
  19. @anonymous

    If there was less racism and more hiring of blacks then I think there would be less violence in black communities.

    Well yeah, of course it would. If those blacks get hired out of the community, it takes some of the violence out of said community. Of course, it only transplants it into whatever community the job is in.

  20. Augustus says:

    Another black “leader” uses Liberation Theology (same as Fr Flager and Rev Wright) to allow black leftists to escape blame for violence, poor planning, faulty decisions, and general ineptitude born of low intelligence. It’s a whine a 4 year old could love. EVERYTHING is someone else’s fault.

    I can only laugh for so long. Eventually race fatigue sets in and people no longer want to hear it. 55 years of racist, government programs favoring blacks only because of their skin color and still they must be on custodial care by other races. Enough is enough. Blacks need to stop blaming other races and start thanking them for supporting so much black stupidity.

    People say to military personnel, “Thank you for your service.” Black people should say to other races, “Thanks for your financial support.” Instead they whine for reparations. The whiners were NEVER slaves, and today’s white taxpayers NEVER had slaves.

    Obviously black “leaders” are all incompetent and greedy. Even their ministers tell the terminally stupid what they want to hear to increase the profits (church donations). Without white people to blame and leech off for support, where would these immature morons be?

    • Agree: Oil 'n Water
    • Replies: @Bite Moi
  21. @Wake up

    Some how, some way they’ll figure out a link.

  22. @anonymous

    Do you really believe that bunk?
    If so you have a hard dose of reality coming and I feel for ya.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  23. @anonymous

    We need job trainin’,we need reso-sizz,we need dem POGRAMS!!!😅

  24. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Wake up

    No, but then again, these black kids are unlikely to fare significantly better even if they would have been born in wedlock. Their genes won’t change, after all.

  25. If the Reverend Irby truly believes that black violence (even against other blacks) “may be provoked by systemic racism experienced by the black community,” to the point that blacks are effectively — and presumptively — denuded of what Mr. Kersey calls “moral agency,” then perhaps it’s time to treat blacks the way we treat other classes of individuals whom we presume also lack moral agency or the ability to exercise it. We don’t let children vote, or felons, or even the most intelligent border collie. Maybe we should add single mothers (not widows, but those who have never married) with four or more children, and whose sole support is state assistance. Maybe we should add the fathers of those children.

    How about it, Reverend? In response to your inevitable chant of “no justice, no peace,” I say, “no agency, no franchise.” Your people’s struggles for the ballot are well-documented; virtually everything they’ve done since then suggests we gave the vote to (with a small minority of exceptions) millions of overgrown children.

    Tell your congregants, and others in your “community,” that the close election results (coupled with the reality that many who voted “for” Biden were merely voting against four more years of Trump) suggest that most white people aren’t buying the “systemic racism” nonsense you’re peddling. It’s time for blacks to grow up and take responsibility for their actions, good and bad.

    Otherwise, you’re effectively children, and the next time Republicans control the White House and Congress — which may be a lot sooner than you think, if you keep pressuring the incoming administration for “reparations” of one kind or another — don’t be surprised if the GOP writes you off as a bunch of spoiled brats whose votes aren’t worth chasing. That is, if they don’t support voter I.D. laws that will (i) limit or prohibit mail-in voting, and (ii) make it harder for your dearly departed Uncle Vernon to “remain politically active.”

    • Replies: @profnasty
  26. There’s no clear pattern to several shootings in St. Petersburg…

    Oh, yes there is. 

  27. Trevor says:

    structural racism greatly impacts marginalized people in disproportionate ways,” Irby continued. “Gun violence, drug involvement and criminality are the the effects of hopelessness and poverty.”

    This “revrun” has it backwards. Violence is not caused by poverty and racism.

    Negroes cause violence (everywhere, not just here) which in turn causes poverty and racism (as a reaction to TNB).

    • Agree: Mr. Rational, Augustus
  28. OT: To whichever poster on this blog who maintains & posts the list of ridiculous names of black criminals, and included the scientific name of a goldfish in it as a joke (Carassius Auratus), here’s one for the books.

    “Taiquan Da’jon Fuqua” caught robbing a Walgreens in Baltimore.

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=klqRf_1607237947

  29. @Non PC Infidel

    The Pez dispenser line was comedy gold!!!

    • Agree: Lancelot_Link
  30. @Non PC Infidel

    a popular saying (which was jokingly used to excuse minor mistakes and misdeeds) was commonly heard~ namely, “the devil made me do it!”

    Flip Wilson.

  31. Well, it’s to be expected. Having any reasoning ability would disqualify these activist preachers from a job with some of the churches they “serve”.

  32. AnalogMan says:
    @RickTen99

    No, the news media and the politicians are the ones feeding them the lines,

  33. Jiminy says:

    Just for a while, dwell on the fact that with the projected rise in the black population, as the whites dwindle, how much worse the situation will become. You don’t know it but you are now living in the good times. With less whites working less jobs, the blacks are going to have to learn how to carry their own weight. Which clearly they are not capable of doing. Things will not improve.
    I think for whites in the US, their only sanctuary will be to lock themselves away in monoculture enclaves.
    Or the other alternative would be to drop to the lowest denominator, and act as one with the black.

  34. OT: Dust off your VCRs and stock up on blank tapes, you won’t want to miss an episode. /sarcasm

    Pull the plug on your TV, programming has been on life support for years.

    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/issa-rae-producing-comedy-series-210000799.html

  35. anonymous[171] • Disclaimer says:
    @RickTen99

    Whites run America so all the big problems can be attributed in part to whites as culprits.

    • Replies: @Oil 'n Water
  36. m. says:
    @m.

    or any other ethnic-community

  37. HT says:

    Black violence is universal, not just in American cities. It has zero to do with white racism but the media and other Leftists gladly embrace this lie.

    • Replies: @Lancelot_Link
  38. Bite Moi says:
    @m.

    m.———–Anywhere in the world where you have a significant African populations,you see TNB. There own behavior causes problems that are always someone else’s fault.

  39. Hillbilly says:

    Is there any country
    that wants them?

    • Replies: @BanditOfBlithe
    , @WSG
  40. M.Anthony says:

    Bet the good Reverend drives a very nice car.

    Does he live in the hood?

    Asking for a friend…

  41. @anonymous

    The lot of the negro without White people, can be explained by using a (partial) quote from another blog.

    If it weren’t for Whites, “most would be living in squalor and swatting flies from their face while they dropped a deuce on their dirt floor.” 

    They ought to kiss the ground of this country in thanks that they are living far beyond the primitive level they – if left to their own devices – are capable of generating.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  42. profnasty says:
    @Gary in Gramercy

    Rumor has it, Orangeman just gave them $500Billion, with a ‘b’, dollars.
    The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

  43. Who hasn’t been out with friends as a teenager, and one of them killed some people? So you lit the car on fire killing the rest of them, resulting in being sentenced to death at 18, please cast the first stone.

    This is the idiotic, pandering, systemic guilt bullshit we are dealing with today. We’re fucked.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/helped-put-18-old-black-120025358.html

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @AR in Illinois
  44. @anonymous

    be less violence in black communities

    .

    Again, responding to anonymous comments is not my style, but stupid is stupid.

    If you’re not fooling, you’re a fool.

    Plus, it’s disingenuous to call the existence of blacks in cities ‘communities’.

    Real ‘communities’ don’t kill each other in great big batches.

  45. @Wake up

    Is is Whitey’s fault…?

    It kinda is.

    We pay for them so we are essentially funding their poor behavior.

  46. The flip side to these types of stories can only be found on SBPDL for the past decade+, yet very few of the truly horrific ones make it to the MSM. Reverse the roles and you end up with this:

    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/black-mother-fatally-shot-white-233000055.html

  47. loren says:

    I found this on craigslist..Ms Ferrer is Los angeles health boss.

    Once again Barbara Ferrer clutches her pearls at the “disproportionate impact” and “systemic inequality” that she paints as the cause of so many raza catching and TRANSMITTING the virus.

    She ignores the fact that decades of over-immigration have decimated our housing supply. She hides the reality that over-crowded housing is the MAIN vector for transmission. She won’t touch the third rail that uneducated immigrants are bringing the virus into skilled nursing facilities and infecting our aged and vulnerable.

    Face it. Immigration has been a disaster for our public health. Latinos SPREAD the virus disproportionately!

    • Agree: Augustus
  48. loren says:

    report from Connecticut,

    ‘community member’ shot a cop in Waterbury a few hours ago.
    Actually it was 4 community members in a stolen car, which surprises me because cops don’t even bother pursuing or arresting car thieves anymore as the DA just let’s them go saying the arrests are based upon racism. That’s the policy.

    I don’t know about you, but it seems to me this whole BLM/Defund the Police hustle is a strategy to open the way for Community Members to commit crimes with impunity. It seems to be a successful strategy.

  49. Bite Moi says:
    @Father O'Hara

    Father O’Hara——-and “Walkin’ around money”.

  50. loren says:

    VIDEO EMERGES OF BLACK MIGRANT WHO TRIED TO SET BUS FULL OF CHILDREN ON FIRE (BREITBART.COM)

  51. Charles says:
    @anonymous

    The 1960s called – it wants its tagline back.

  52. WSG says:
    @Hillbilly

    Well…Ghana seems to want them. Of course, their average IQ is 73.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @AnalogMan
  53. @Father O'Hara

    Pogroms? After all we’ve done for you people? The least you could do is go mug somebody else for a change.

    Ingrates. [Calls out to his wife:] “Rivka! Cancel our donation to the NAACP! Some people don’t know how to treat their benefactors.”

    • LOL: Lancelot_Link
  54. Anon[139] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Sick 'n Tired

    Aiu did a video on that case. Love how theyre claiming his brain wasn’t fully developed. Pretty sure the dindu brain never fully develops. As if he has to be 25 or 26 years old to understand that burning people alive isn’t the right thing to do. You are correct. We’re fucked. Ammo up and keep your powder dry

    • Replies: @Trevor
  55. Trevor says:
    @Anon

    Dindu brains are as developed as they get by the time they reach puberty. They don’t develop any more after that.

    That is why them going to high school is pointless.

    • Agree: AnalogMan, Oil 'n Water
  56. @HT

    If it had anything to do with white racism it seems the effects would go down over time, further and further from slavery. This is not the case. Less than 5k lynchings done by ‘da ebil Klan as per the NAACP (Negroes Are Always Causing Problems) and these mooks refuse to address the elephant in the room. Okay, the gorilla in the room.

  57. anonymous[358] • Disclaimer says:
    @Oil 'n Water

    You might want blacks to worship whites but that’s not realistic. Most people on this blog aren’t capable of thinking of solutions that are realistic and work.

  58. anonymous[358] • Disclaimer says:
    @Detroit Refugee

    What’s so hard to understand? If there was more affirmative action in government so blacks could get more middle class jobs like delivering mail it brings more stability to black communities.

    • Replies: @Detroit Refugee
    , @Augustus
  59. @Sick 'n Tired

    I couldn’t stand it past about the 4th paragraph. What a libtard idiot.

    • Agree: bruce county
  60. @anonymous

    You might want blacks to worship whites…

    Simple gratitude has been due for a long, long time, instead of the resentment, jealousy, entitlement, and lawless behavior that is returned for all of the benefits they have received in this country.

    From a 2014 report: The War on Poverty: 50 years of failure | The Heritage Foundation: This year marks the 50th anniversary of President Lyndon B. Johnson’s launch of the War on Poverty. In January 1964, Johnson declared “unconditional war on poverty in America.” Since then, the taxpayers have spent $22 trillion on Johnson’s war. Adjusted for inflation, that’s three times the cost of all military wars since the American Revolution.

    …solutions that are realistic and work.

    Those who believe affirmative action is a reasonable, realistic solution, have either not been in the competitive world long enough to have seen the results of 55 years of such colossal foolishness, or desires to be on the receiving end of this ruinous program.

    Many “realistic” solutions have been mentioned here. Unfortunately, it is naive people who have been purposefully conditioned to believe the races can co-exist, along with those who benefit from promoting the egalitarian message, that prevents them from being carried out.
    The races cannot co-exist. They have not. They do not, now. And they never will. Not peacefully.

    • Agree: AnalogMan
  61. @anonymous

    Haven’t they been given enough handouts and set asides?

  62. @anonymous

    If there was less racism and more hiring of blacks then I think there would be less violence in black communities

    .

    Very interesting. Instead, what if more prisons were constructed and filled to the rafters? What if the unnecessary blacks were transported overseas to backward nations willing to accept them for a fee? What if sterilization was a pre requisite for extended periods of welfare payments?

    Then I think there would be less violence in black communities.

  63. AnalogMan says:
    @anonymous

    You mean, like giving them money? Affirmative action, welfare, “programs”? How has that worked?

    There are no solutions that are realistic and work. Any that would work are not realistic, for political reasons. That could change.

    • Agree: Sick 'n Tired
  64. WSG says:
    @anonymous

    There is only one realistic solution to this problem.

  65. Augustus says:
    @anonymous

    Please explain how giving jobs to people who are unable and inproficient at performing those jobs brings stability to black communities.

    • Replies: @Jim in Jersey
  66. @anonymous

    You might want blacks to worship whites…

    Simple gratitude has been due for a long, long time, instead of the resentment, jealousy, entitlement, and lawless behavior that is returned for all of the benefits they have received in this country.

    From a 2014 report: The War on Poverty: 50 years of failure | The Heritage Foundation: This year marks the 50th anniversary of President Lyndon B. Johnson’s launch of the War on Poverty. In January 1964, Johnson declared “unconditional war on poverty in America.” Since then, the taxpayers have spent $22 trillion on Johnson’s war. Adjusted for inflation, that’s three times the cost of all military wars since the American Revolution.

    …solutions that are realistic and work.

    Those who believe affirmative action is a reasonable, realistic solution, have either not been in the competitive world long enough to have seen the results of 55 years of such colossal foolishness, or desires to be on the receiving end of this ruinous program.

    Many “realistic” solutions have been mentioned here. Unfortunately, it is naive people who have been purposefully conditioned to believe the races can co-exist, along with those who benefit from promoting the egalitarian message, that prevents them from being carried out.
    The races cannot co-exist. They have not. They do not, now. And they never will. Not peacefully.

  67. Bite Moi says:
    @Augustus

    Augustus—–Besides being supported in fine style,a successful Black pastor receives other benefits.The successful Black Rev. gets as much poon as a NBA or NFL player.

    • LOL: Augustus
  68. @Augustus

    I made the mistake of engaging with the worthless anon, too.

    Save your breath and time.

    They’re just here to drop their little rabbit turds of stupid for others to step in.

    Respond to registered members.

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