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File this under “how can we blame this on an NRA member?” section. More importantly, it’s another black mass shooting the corporate media will ignore.

So what goes on at a “Twerk or Tweet” Halloween party? This is not a typo: the black party was labeled and promoted as a “Twerk or Tweet” Halloween party for Homecoming weekend… [2 dead, 12 injured in shooting at college party in Texas, KBTX.com, October 28, 2019]:

A gunman opened fire at an off-campus college party in Texas, leaving two people dead and 12 others injured before he escaped in the ensuing chaos, authorities said Sunday.

Authorities believe the shooter may have been targeting just one person at the party of about 750 people outside Greenville, 15 miles (24 kilometers) southwest of a satellite campus of the Texas A&M University System, and that others may have been shot at random, Hunt County Sheriff Randy Meeks said. Authorities were still looking for the suspect, Meeks said, and had not yet identified him.

The shooting took place around midnight Saturday at what Meeks described as a Halloween and homecoming party for Texas A&M University-Commerce, though officials have said it was not a school-sanctioned event. Authorities believe there was one male shooter who entered the venue through the back door and began firing with a handgun, Meeks said.

Meeks described “complete chaos” after the shots rang out, with hundreds of people fleeing, including the gunman. Authorities initially had said 14 people were injured, but they later revised that figure.

The 12 injured included six people who were trampled or hurt by glass in the melee, according to Sgt. Jeff Haines, a spokesman for the sheriff’s department. Six others were injured by gunfire. Four of them were in critical condition and one was in good condition Sunday afternoon, he said. He did not know the condition of the sixth person.

The two people killed were both males, Meeks said. Family members identified one of the victims to local media as Kevin Berry Jr., 23, of Dallas.

After a vigil for Berry on Sunday night at a Dallas park, at least one person opened fire. Mourners and reporters on hand for the event took cover and at least one vehicle was struck by bullets, according to local media reports. Multiple gunshots can be heard in a video posted by one reporter.

Chaser. [Gunfire erupts at vigil for victim of Texas homecoming shooting: A reporter with NBC Dallas-Fort Worth captured video that showed multiple bullet holes in her SUV., NBC News, October 27, 2019]:

Gunfire erupted during a vigil on Sunday night for a person shot dead at a homecoming party in Texas over the weekend.

An NBC Dallas-Fort Worth SUV was struck at least three times, a reporter with the station said.

Video showed multiple bullet holes in the vehicle’s window and frame. The reporter, Diana Zoga, said that neither she nor her photographer were struck. There didn’t appear to be other injuries, she said.

Zoga added that the shooting happened while the vigil was ending.

The vigil was at a park in Pleasant Grove, a neighborhood in Dallas, for a victim who a family spokesman identified as Kevin Berry.

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A spokeswoman with the Dallas Police Department said officers responded to a shooting call at the site of the vigil at 8:07 p.m. CT (9:07 p.m. ET). The responding officers learned that a disturbance at the vigil escalated and shots were fired, police spokeswoman Tamika Dameron said. There were no injuries reported, but several vehicles were reported damaged, she said.

The Saturday night shooting occurred roughly an hour away, at an event space near Texas A&M University-Commerce in Hunt County. More than 700 people were at the party, authorities said.

Two people were killed and 12 were injured after a gunman opened fire shortly before midnight, authorities said.

For those wondering why so few national media outlets are covering this mass shooting with wall-to-wall coverage (all in a bid to convince white gun-owners to give up their firearms and abandon their 2nd Amendment rights), the initial shooting at the “Twerk or Tweet” Halloween party and subsequent retaliatory shooting at the vigil didn’t involve any white people.

You can go back to watching your regularly scheduled program of Bob and Abishola on CBS now.

 
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  1. Just for future reference, are “bullet holes” covered by most auto insurance policies? Or do ya hafta sue the shooter directly? I think this will become a common problem across America.

    • Replies: @Not the guy you were looking for
    Yes, bullet holes would be covered under Comprehensive coverage if you carry it.

    Many more cars are damaged by "peaceful protesters" than by bullets anyway. Also covered under Comprehensive coverage.
    , @Monrovia
    If the holes come from INSIDE the car they are NOT covered. If from the OUTSIDE, they ARE covered, less the $500 deductible
  2. To be totally honest, I don’t care if anyone who goes to a “Twerk or Treat” party dies in a mass killing.

    I don’t care if EVERYONE who goes to a “Twerk or Treat” party dies in a mass killing.

    Neither these parties nor those who go to them should be anywhere outside of Africa.

    • Replies: @brandybranch
    thank you.
    , @El Dato
    At 750 attendants, this is no party but a mass event.

    Meanwhile "gunfire erupts" after "shots ring out". It's tectonic.

    Next, bullet holes will alight on cars.

    Also:

    https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/woman-rejected-man-at-party-then-he-shot-her-baby-in-the-head

    Baby still lives (probably marginally).

    , @George F. Held
    I've gone to plenty of "twerp or twit" parties. Nobody gets hurt, but they're all pretty boring.
  3. At first when I saw this reported on Breitbart, my immediate thought was, ‘here we go again’…

    Another round of stupid, non-sensical gun laws.

    Texas.

    School.

    Shooting.

    2 dead.

    12 wounded.

    750 attendees.

    Wait. What? 750 people at a block party?

    After that I stopped reading and lost all interest.

    I knew exactly what happened.

    • Agree: fish
    • Replies: @Flo
    Yep, me too. After living in Chicago for almost 30 years, I recognized the signs: gigantic block party, stretching into the wee hours, topped off by a drive-by shooting. What really clinched it was the mention (in the article I read) that "witnesses were refusing to talk to police." Bulls-eye.
  4. This story was one of those small-print “also in the news,” articles relegated to the fourth page of the local paper.
    Haven’t seen any video of it, but with 750 blacks gathered, it reminded me of the original King Kong movie when Kong busts through the gates and scores of natives start running everywhere in panic, and a couple of them get flattened under Kong’s size 52’s. You know, the very un-PC version where the chief offers six females for the blonde White woman…and gets turned down. Six for one, and no dice.
    Hate to be so irreverent – people were killed – but if no one including the media thinks much of it, then why should I be disturbed about another black-on-black shooting?

    • Agree: Augustus, Jett Rucker
    • LOL: Gunga Din
    • Replies: @Jake Surtes
    Yeah, but the outrage over “black pumpkins” made all the websites.
    , @loren
    gawd,,you are funny
  5. I knew immediately that this was a negro event when the high number of injured versus killed was reported. As I’ve said before rampage killers kill more than they wound. That is because they are more focused and take aimed shots. Negro shooters just fire indiscriminately.

    • Replies: @Hans
    Dem mass shootings are full of holes. Stephen Lendman provides a good summary of the lawfare being waged to protect one of dodgiest and most important (to Obama's legacy):

    US Show Trial Punishes Truth-Telling - https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/10/stephen-lendman-us-show-trial-punishes-truth-telling/

    , @Vinnie O
    I think that in their system "take careful aim" means "fire indiscriminately".
  6. yes, the news was reported yesterday.
    I sense the usual suspects.

    college teens.

  7. Why no media coverage?

    Simple. Blacks are everything they claim whites to be:
    Racist, irrational, hate-filled, guncrazy, with poor impulse control, and no understanding of delayed gratification.

    • Replies: @Glock45
    Imagine, when this story broke, how the reporters at the major media outlets reacted to it.

    "Hmm....what have we here? A large groups of blacks were shot in Texas....???"

    At that very moment, had somebody said "...and a white person did it!!", those reporters would have leaped out of their chairs with glee, with smiles from ear to ear, and would have begun coordinating amongst themselves and other media outlets to ensure that this story would be the TOP news item and get nationwide coverage.

    But, instead, one can almost sense their disappointment that that didn't turn out to be the case.

  8. Founders Brewery has to close their taproom in Detroit over fear for Employee safety after Diversity sues for Muh Racism

    https://thetakeout.com/founders-brewing-lawsuit-1839414887/

    • Replies: @D-FENS
    I used to be a fan of Founders, particularly their porter. Until they went overboard during LGTB freak month (June).
  9. How can you blame the NRA and white people? That’s exactly what 90% of the Reddit posts about this shooting did. I saw the school system, justice system, poverty, police, Republicans, general white racism etc. used as the excuse over and over again. If anyone disagreed they were downvoted and banned. No, these people cannot be reasoned with at all. Honestly the time for talking is over. We need a revolt and a home for white people or we’ll have nothing very soon.

  10. It wasn’t “on Campus of Texas A&M-Commerce.” It was 20 miles away, near the town of Greenville.

  11. When an orc shoots into a crowd (to kill one target) you can bet it’s for the gravest of reasons, like Tyrone wasn’t given the ‘spect he deserved, or over basketball shoes.

    • Replies: @Jake Surtes
    Or the “stink eye” was given.
  12. I knew when the first few days they didn’t show or name the race of the involved that they were black. Funny that. And, this country has surely gone mad when there’s a tv show about a fat loser White guy going after a fat sheboon that constantly ridicules him.

  13. Mass Shooting at Black “Twerk or Tweet” Halloween Party on Campus… Followed by Retaliatory Gun Attack at Vigil

    — A half century of affirmative action,
    — $$$ TRILLIONS $$$ in welfare (i.e., reparations),
    — metastasizing “Studies” curricula…

    …incredible.

    We were warned.

    • Replies: @Realist
    Yep, this country is on a shit slide to hell.
    , @Sick of Orcs

    We were warned
     
    We were insufficiently warned. Older generations were blindsided by howls for 'Sibble Rights.' No segregation proponent had facts about the color of crime (may not have existed then) and none publicly argued why orcs were segregated in the first place.
    , @Really No Shit
    Only if the white people had not invented guns and bullets them po' niggas be still alive... oh, the humanity!
  14. How will the crimes ever be solved? Look away that picture and tell me how many black officers you see?

    😉

    We are not the same!

    • Agree: gotmituns
  15. You can go back to watching your regularly scheduled program of Bob and Abishola on CBS now.

    That is one more in a list of miscegenation promoting TV programs sponsored by miscegenation promoting commercials.

    • Replies: @AR in Illinois
    Yes, I just saw this commercial at a bar where I had no control of the show currently on. I turned to my friend and we both said "WTF" simultaneously. Just another reason I haven't watched any mainstream commercial shows in over 25 years. I only watch history/science shows. And those I record so I can fast forward through all the propaganda commercials of the magic negro scientist/lawyer/investment-planner/insurance agent/family man with his white partner. TV is disgusting.
  16. @Pat Kittle

    Mass Shooting at Black "Twerk or Tweet" Halloween Party on Campus... Followed by Retaliatory Gun Attack at Vigil
     
    --- A half century of affirmative action,
    --- $$$ TRILLIONS $$$ in welfare (i.e., reparations),
    --- metastasizing "Studies" curricula...

    ...incredible.

    We were warned.

    Yep, this country is on a shit slide to hell.

  17. @Mr. Rational
    To be totally honest, I don't care if anyone who goes to a "Twerk or Treat" party dies in a mass killing.

    I don't care if EVERYONE who goes to a "Twerk or Treat" party dies in a mass killing.

    Neither these parties nor those who go to them should be anywhere outside of Africa.

    thank you.

  18. @ShermanFan
    Why no media coverage?

    Simple. Blacks are everything they claim whites to be:
    Racist, irrational, hate-filled, guncrazy, with poor impulse control, and no understanding of delayed gratification.

    Imagine, when this story broke, how the reporters at the major media outlets reacted to it.

    “Hmm….what have we here? A large groups of blacks were shot in Texas….???”

    At that very moment, had somebody said “…and a white person did it!!”, those reporters would have leaped out of their chairs with glee, with smiles from ear to ear, and would have begun coordinating amongst themselves and other media outlets to ensure that this story would be the TOP news item and get nationwide coverage.

    But, instead, one can almost sense their disappointment that that didn’t turn out to be the case.

    • Agree: Oil 'n Water
    • LOL: Augustus
  19. Breaking.. shooter is mestizo.
    Hoax?

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs

    Breaking.. shooter is mestizo.
    Hoax?

     
    Another "White Hispanic?" That would be bad.
  20. @Oil 'n Water
    This story was one of those small-print “also in the news,” articles relegated to the fourth page of the local paper.
    Haven’t seen any video of it, but with 750 blacks gathered, it reminded me of the original King Kong movie when Kong busts through the gates and scores of natives start running everywhere in panic, and a couple of them get flattened under Kong’s size 52’s. You know, the very un-PC version where the chief offers six females for the blonde White woman...and gets turned down. Six for one, and no dice.
    Hate to be so irreverent – people were killed - but if no one including the media thinks much of it, then why should I be disturbed about another black-on-black shooting?

    Yeah, but the outrage over “black pumpkins” made all the websites.

  21. @Sick of Orcs
    When an orc shoots into a crowd (to kill one target) you can bet it's for the gravest of reasons, like Tyrone wasn't given the 'spect he deserved, or over basketball shoes.

    Or the “stink eye” was given.

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs
  22. @Pat Kittle

    Mass Shooting at Black "Twerk or Tweet" Halloween Party on Campus... Followed by Retaliatory Gun Attack at Vigil
     
    --- A half century of affirmative action,
    --- $$$ TRILLIONS $$$ in welfare (i.e., reparations),
    --- metastasizing "Studies" curricula...

    ...incredible.

    We were warned.

    We were warned

    We were insufficiently warned. Older generations were blindsided by howls for ‘Sibble Rights.’ No segregation proponent had facts about the color of crime (may not have existed then) and none publicly argued why orcs were segregated in the first place.

    • Agree: Pat Kittle
    • Replies: @Radford
    You are correct. I participated in the local white support of the civil rights campaign in Birmingham, Alabama, in 1962 and 1963. I was in my late teens and accompanied my brother, who was a medical student, to meetings in the basement of the 16th Street Baptist Church (long before the bombing there), and also to meetings at a local Jewish medical school professor's home. I went with my brother not because of any commitment to civil rights on my part. I was neutral on the matter, but my brother had received death threats from the Klan and was being harassed by the Birmingham police. My thinking was that if I was with him perhaps the white radicals would not kill us both and my brother would be safer. I was later threatened with death by my college roommate for arguing that civil rights should be available to blacks, and my father was similarly threatened by a coworker. Our family was native to the South since 1630.

    The local proponents of desegregation were professional business leaders and academics. The opponents were car mechanics, truck drivers and miners (in one case, of a one-man shaft to a shallow seam of coal). The segregationists were not attractive people; mostly they were brutish. I believe that they were motivated by instinctive hatred. They could not make reasoned arguments against desegregation. During the mid-1960's I never heard anyone predict the catastrophic results that would follow from black enfranchisement. At that time, because of segregation and severe law enforcement, black anti-civilizational behavior was minimal. The results of the civil rights experiment could not be predicted so easily. Family life was the rule among blacks, drugs were not yet a source of chaos in their communities, no one understood that genetic determinism was a prudent intellectual stance, African colonies were just becoming self-ruled and had not then descended into the post-colonial dysfunction of today.

    In my opinion, the experiment of the last 60 years could not have been avoided. Most people embark upon marriage without a coherent evaluation of its prospects, and many divorce after they understand the dynamics of their situation. Whites did the marriage. Now it is time for the divorce.
    , @William Badwhite
    Lots and lots of southern politicians and people tried to explain why they were segregated. Nobody wanted to listen.
  23. @Love Street
    Breaking.. shooter is mestizo.
    Hoax?

    Breaking.. shooter is mestizo.
    Hoax?

    Another “White Hispanic?” That would be bad.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The media knows exactly who the shooter was and what he looked like the night of the shooting. If there was any way they could have given him the "bleaching" treatment they did Zimmerman, they would have shifted their focus to "white supremacy and the NRA" as their lead story for this week.

    There is no way they are even going near a mass shooting at a twerking party followed by a shooting at the candlelight vigil the next day. They know as well as we do that this isn't an uncommon occurrence, but it's best not to shine any light upon it for the average drone to see.
    , @eah
    https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1189093037881716738
  24. Saw a FB Live done by a brother of one of the non-fatal victims.

    He mostly blamed white first responders.

    • Replies: @loren
    link???
  25. @unit472
    I knew immediately that this was a negro event when the high number of injured versus killed was reported. As I've said before rampage killers kill more than they wound. That is because they are more focused and take aimed shots. Negro shooters just fire indiscriminately.

    Dem mass shootings are full of holes. Stephen Lendman provides a good summary of the lawfare being waged to protect one of dodgiest and most important (to Obama’s legacy):

    US Show Trial Punishes Truth-Telling – https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/10/stephen-lendman-us-show-trial-punishes-truth-telling/

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    Yes, indeed Hans.

    The 2017 Las Vegas Mandalay Bay shooting is yet another mass-shooting with serious unanswered questions still hanging in the air:

    1. What was Paddock's motive?
    2. Where is the psychological profile of Paddock?
    3. Where is the financial profile of Paddock?
    4. Where is all of the photographic and video evidence of Paddock from inside the casino for days before the shooting?

    I suspected immediately in 2017 that was some kind of Deep Statev event; that Paddock was a pawn in a very dark operation of which he had no real knowledge and that he was pre-selected as the patsy. Perhaps I am wrong, but once again, there is no firm evidence to prove the MSM/government authorized narrative of that horrific event.
  26. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    Breaking.. shooter is mestizo.
    Hoax?

     
    Another "White Hispanic?" That would be bad.

    The media knows exactly who the shooter was and what he looked like the night of the shooting. If there was any way they could have given him the “bleaching” treatment they did Zimmerman, they would have shifted their focus to “white supremacy and the NRA” as their lead story for this week.

    There is no way they are even going near a mass shooting at a twerking party followed by a shooting at the candlelight vigil the next day. They know as well as we do that this isn’t an uncommon occurrence, but it’s best not to shine any light upon it for the average drone to see.

  27. @Oil 'n Water
    This story was one of those small-print “also in the news,” articles relegated to the fourth page of the local paper.
    Haven’t seen any video of it, but with 750 blacks gathered, it reminded me of the original King Kong movie when Kong busts through the gates and scores of natives start running everywhere in panic, and a couple of them get flattened under Kong’s size 52’s. You know, the very un-PC version where the chief offers six females for the blonde White woman...and gets turned down. Six for one, and no dice.
    Hate to be so irreverent – people were killed - but if no one including the media thinks much of it, then why should I be disturbed about another black-on-black shooting?

    gawd,,you are funny

  28. @countenance
    Saw a FB Live done by a brother of one of the non-fatal victims.

    He mostly blamed white first responders.

    link???

    • Replies: @countenance
    https://tjskoc.com/texasammassacre/
  29. @Sick of Orcs

    Breaking.. shooter is mestizo.
    Hoax?

     
    Another "White Hispanic?" That would be bad.

    • Replies: @Baron Munchhausen
    https://youtu.be/vAAAtqSeRKI
    , @loren
    He is not White and who cares for his spanish?
    , @Hail

    A white hispanic suspect has been arrested for shooting in a crowd of Black people
     
    Is this trolling by Mr. Tariq Nasheed?
  30. PK, didn’t happen on campus… y’all should fix that….

  31. @eah
    https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1189093037881716738

    • Replies: @DINDUNUFFINS,esquire
    http://www.projectrace.com/
    , @mark green
    Thank you for sharing this excellent commentary on the sin of 'blackface'. It's been noted that the original 'Birth of a Nation' movie used blackface. This is true. 'Birth' also preceded 'Jazz' by at least five years.

    Yet 'Birth' and 'Jazz Singer' receive very different treatment by film historians today.

    DW Griffith's seminal and groundbreaking 'Birth of a Nation' experienced a protest and riot at its premier nearly a century ago. 'Birth' is reviled for its 'white racism'. 'Birth's' sin was its cinematic depiction of episodes where white Klansmen heroically protected their communities against black criminals (portrayed by white actors in blackface). Yet 'Birth' was a huge commercial success in its day as well as a great cinematic step forward.

    Though both 'Jazz' and 'Birth' used 'blackface', the Jazz Singer's reputation has not been sullied, even today. Why? 'Singer' is a timeless yarn that stresses Jewish continuity in the face of (white) assimilation. 'Birth' on the other hand merely concerns the struggle of white people against black barbarism.

    The modern lesson, children, is this: Jewish continuity is far more precious than mere white survival.

  32. Oh, a “white Hispanic?” An oxymoron from a moron. And now in the time it took me to write this little blurb, two dozen black males have committed felonies involving firearms in the toilets that we used to call cities.

  33. I had a look at that Bob loves Abishola show yesterday

    The opening credits did not make it clear, but I eventually figured out this show was set in some kind of parallel universe.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    I pass.
  34. @Mr. Rational
    To be totally honest, I don't care if anyone who goes to a "Twerk or Treat" party dies in a mass killing.

    I don't care if EVERYONE who goes to a "Twerk or Treat" party dies in a mass killing.

    Neither these parties nor those who go to them should be anywhere outside of Africa.

    At 750 attendants, this is no party but a mass event.

    Meanwhile “gunfire erupts” after “shots ring out”. It’s tectonic.

    Next, bullet holes will alight on cars.

    Also:

    https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/woman-rejected-man-at-party-then-he-shot-her-baby-in-the-head

    Baby still lives (probably marginally).

    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
    The shooter was one of those "dreamers" that only came here for a better life and are supposedly better behaved and more productive than native born American citizens. He even has the cliché patchy moustache typical to many young Mexicans.


    https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/25/us/fresno-baby-shot/index.html
  35. @Vinnie O
    Just for future reference, are "bullet holes" covered by most auto insurance policies? Or do ya hafta sue the shooter directly? I think this will become a common problem across America.

    Yes, bullet holes would be covered under Comprehensive coverage if you carry it.

    Many more cars are damaged by “peaceful protesters” than by bullets anyway. Also covered under Comprehensive coverage.

    • Replies: @ShermanFan
    Riots and civil unrest are often EXCLUDED.

    Check your policy.
    Then check your local state laws.

    Here, felony damage with weapon (anything that can be used to harm you), and you attempt to save your property, and they raise the weapon towards you or threaten you? Lights out.

    $500 damage (what’s your deductible) is a felony. Know the laws and use them.
  36. Even with the usual masking by the media, I knew this was a black event the minute I heard about it. Is there ever a black party of this type that doesn’t wind up with a shooting or stabbing? And of course once the media figured it out, it pretty much disappeared.

  37. @eah
    https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1189093037881716738

    He is not White and who cares for his spanish?

  38. @Baron Munchhausen
    Founders Brewery has to close their taproom in Detroit over fear for Employee safety after Diversity sues for Muh Racism

    https://thetakeout.com/founders-brewing-lawsuit-1839414887/

    I used to be a fan of Founders, particularly their porter. Until they went overboard during LGTB freak month (June).

  39. @El Dato
    At 750 attendants, this is no party but a mass event.

    Meanwhile "gunfire erupts" after "shots ring out". It's tectonic.

    Next, bullet holes will alight on cars.

    Also:

    https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/woman-rejected-man-at-party-then-he-shot-her-baby-in-the-head

    Baby still lives (probably marginally).

    The shooter was one of those “dreamers” that only came here for a better life and are supposedly better behaved and more productive than native born American citizens. He even has the cliché patchy moustache typical to many young Mexicans.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/25/us/fresno-baby-shot/index.html

  40. @unit472
    I knew immediately that this was a negro event when the high number of injured versus killed was reported. As I've said before rampage killers kill more than they wound. That is because they are more focused and take aimed shots. Negro shooters just fire indiscriminately.

    I think that in their system “take careful aim” means “fire indiscriminately”.

  41. @Realist

    You can go back to watching your regularly scheduled program of Bob and Abishola on CBS now.
     
    That is one more in a list of miscegenation promoting TV programs sponsored by miscegenation promoting commercials.

    Yes, I just saw this commercial at a bar where I had no control of the show currently on. I turned to my friend and we both said “WTF” simultaneously. Just another reason I haven’t watched any mainstream commercial shows in over 25 years. I only watch history/science shows. And those I record so I can fast forward through all the propaganda commercials of the magic negro scientist/lawyer/investment-planner/insurance agent/family man with his white partner. TV is disgusting.

    • Replies: @Love Street
    I know , Especially the commercials. (((They ))) are brainwashing people into thinking fiction is reality.
    F them.
    , @Augustus
    My wife used to watch all those inane situation comedies that always manage a happy ending. When I was home on weekends, she would watch things like the Good Times marathon. I got another TV and spent my weekends, when home and not out with the grandkids, in the back bedroom watching TV or on the computer. After retirement, that wife had to go. Now I rarely watch TV. I'm like you with a preference for History or Science, but they're even making those shows increasingly socialist. I haven't been able to watch PBS for about 40 years. Girlfriend asks how I cycle channels so quickly. I see the subspecies, I'm on to the next channel. Too bad it would be illegal to have an ORC free channel.
    , @Realist

    Just another reason I haven’t watched any mainstream commercial shows in over 25 years. I only watch history/science shows. And those I record so I can fast forward through all the propaganda commercials of the magic negro scientist/lawyer/investment-planner/insurance agent/family man with his white partner. TV is disgusting.
     
    That is pretty much what I do. Hopefully more enlightened people follow.
    , @Jett Rucker
    The media are, indeed, quite disgusting, except as you might count unz.com as a medium.
    And disgust for that medium is expressed vociferously, everywhere you turn. Very vociferously.
    You don't have to agree.
  42. @Quebecer
    I had a look at that Bob loves Abishola show yesterday

    The opening credits did not make it clear, but I eventually figured out this show was set in some kind of parallel universe.

    I pass.

  43. Does twerking become more frenzied as bullets go whizzing by? I wonder if I can get a $300,000 grant to study that. Another grant to study animal behavior.

    We’ll have a bunch of parties with microphones strategically placed to record the exact shot count, not only at the parties, but at resulting vigils, memorials, and funerals. We’ll also get lots of cameras to record the twerkers (I get the cameras after the study ends).

    Oh no! This won’t work. We’d need an ORC party with no shootings as a control group. That may not be possible given TNB. Oh well, back to the drawing board.

  44. Mo’ Programs, Mo Gibbs!

    Baltimore’s ‘squeegee kid’ issue has reached a tipping point; it’s time for a break

    By Baltimore Sun Editorial Board

    Baltimore Sun

    Oct 29, 2019 | 1:40 PM

    When a gun enters the contentious squeegee kid debate, we know the issue has hit a tipping point.

    Last week, a 45-year-old woman told Baltimore police she flashed her firearm because she thought a group of young people who wash car windows for cash had gotten too aggressive. A struggle ensued when one of the teens reached inside her car, and the gun went off.

    Thankfully, it appears nobody was hurt. But we should all be gravely concerned. The red flags are raised as high as they can go.

    No matter whether one believes the woman was justified in her fears of the teenagers or aggressively overreacting, she acted on those feelings, and things could have ended terribly. We might have seen a squeegee kid lying dead in the street or the driver herself wounded by her own gun.

    It’s time that everybody take a deep breath and hit reset. We propose a 30-day enforcement of city codes 47-3 through 47-5, which ban aggressive soliciting in public, solicitation of drivers in traffic or on a public street, and nighttime solicitation. Law enforcement should tell anyone violating those laws — including coaches raising money for their sports’ teams and residents selling bottled water — to move along. They should also be prepared to refer the squeegee kids, many of whom are simply looking to put food on the table or help their families pay bills, and others to specific programs and services.

    We realize this is no permanent solution. But it’s a start. It would help clear the streets for a period and give the simmering tensions between motorists and the city’s squeegee kids, mostly young men, time to cool down. The mayor’s office should use the reprieve to further its “Squeegee Alternative Plan,” meant to address the underlying poverty that leads kids to the city’s busiest intersections. It is a holistic approach that doesn’t just treat the squeegee kids as castaways in the city that is their home, and we support it.

    We don’t want these kids, or anyone else, arrested. That would do nothing but cause harm, including to their future job prospects. We have compassion for the plight of many of these youth. The city’s outreach workers should continue to seek them out and involve them in the Squeegee Alternative Plan, which makes sure the youth go to school, connects them with services and helps them get jobs. The city can also continue reaching out to young people from a database of squeegee workers they have compiled. It might be easier to reach these teenagers when the intersections are not so readily available.

    A temporary moratorium will also give the city the time to work with businesses, which sent a letter to Mayor Jack Young about concerns over the window washing, on becoming better partners in the solution. The first meeting of a work group between city representatives and business leaders to brainstorm ideas is not scheduled until early November. Among the city’s goals for the group is fostering a greater understanding and empathy among businesses and their employees toward the squeegee workers and the challenges faced by big cities with high rates of poverty.

    The city also has said it needs help funding its alternative program, which is actively working with 34 kids, but no businesses have yet stepped forward to contribute. Businesses could also provide mentoring, job prospects and help underwrite non-profits that can work with the youth. Retailer DTLR has already agreed to give kids who go through the program credits for clothes at their stores when they meet certain milestones. We need to see more such partnerships.

    Changing the mindset of the kids is one of the city’s challenges, and it will likely take time to convince a kid who knows nothing else that there are ways to make money other than hustling on the street. This kind of break should allow the city’s program time to develop further and funders to come forward to ensure the the alternative their presenting is better than the unknown of the streets.

    Baltimore’s ‘squeegee kid’ issue has reached a tipping point; it’s time for a break

    One thing is clear: The fraught relationship between motorists and squeegee kids, further frayed by the sound of one bullet piercing the air, cannot continue. No matter what side of the squeegee debate one aligns, everyone should agree it has reached a dangerous level. We were already concerned about the safety of the young people who dart in and out of traffic, we don’t want to worry about them dodging bullets as well.

    • Replies: @Love Street
    “Gravely concerned” lol, not.
    The Alternative squeegee plan will fail. Bmore is doomed.
    What a silly article.
    , @Anonymous
    Re: squeegee kid editorial

    I noticed the author didn't see the slightest thing amiss that instead of backing away and stopping their harassment of the woman (who must have been black, since this was the first I've heard about the story) after she brandished a gun, the "kids" instead amplified up their aggression and reached into the car to take the gun from her (a la Michael Brown). After all, wouldn't want to say the "kids" have any fault in the matter, there are "future job prospects" on the line.
    , @dc.sunsets
    Re: squeegee kid editorial:

    The woman had the right idea.

    Next time, the gun in her strong-side hand, Sabre Red OC gel (spray) in the weak hand, crack the window enough to insure that the gel will exit the car, and hose the clowns if they approach.

    Anyone breaks the window gets a mag-dump.

    Anyone who tries to spray OC INTO the car gets lit.

    It's long past time to discourage the clowns, and if OC doesn't do the job, something more permanent will.

    In reality, I agree with the author of the article; don't put them in jail (why make the taxpayer suffer twice--once for the crime, a second time to pay to feed, shelter and clothe the clown); the real answer is to kick the clown out of civilization.

    Only those who create civilization are entitled to live in it. Those who cannot or will not "make" civilization should be EXILED...I don't care where. (Have taxpayers pay off Puerto Rico's debt...we are, anyway...and move everyone off the island; then, when some barbarian refuses to obey such reasonable laws, drop them off on the island and forget about them.)

    , @Sick of Orcs

    Last week, a 45-year-old woman told Baltimore police she flashed her firearm because she thought a group of young people who wash car windows for cash had gotten too aggressive.
     
    Flashing a weapon aka 'brandishing' a weapon is illegal in many states.

    A good rule of thumb is an attacker should only realize you're armed after they've been shot.
  45. @AR in Illinois
    Yes, I just saw this commercial at a bar where I had no control of the show currently on. I turned to my friend and we both said "WTF" simultaneously. Just another reason I haven't watched any mainstream commercial shows in over 25 years. I only watch history/science shows. And those I record so I can fast forward through all the propaganda commercials of the magic negro scientist/lawyer/investment-planner/insurance agent/family man with his white partner. TV is disgusting.

    I know , Especially the commercials. (((They ))) are brainwashing people into thinking fiction is reality.
    F them.

    • Agree: brandybranch
  46. The dysfunction normalized in the area public schools has been allowed to spill over into the colleges and universities. Fortunately, this is a simple problem with a simple solution.

    Do away with federal student aid and federal student loans for all. If they all have to work and build savings to support their college educations they’ll be disinclined to engage in behavior contrary to their success.

  47. @Not the guy you were looking for
    Yes, bullet holes would be covered under Comprehensive coverage if you carry it.

    Many more cars are damaged by "peaceful protesters" than by bullets anyway. Also covered under Comprehensive coverage.

    Riots and civil unrest are often EXCLUDED.

    Check your policy.
    Then check your local state laws.

    Here, felony damage with weapon (anything that can be used to harm you), and you attempt to save your property, and they raise the weapon towards you or threaten you? Lights out.

    $500 damage (what’s your deductible) is a felony. Know the laws and use them.

  48. Okay, so “Twerk or Tweet” — look, every group has its problems. Near Cal Tech recently, a “Trigonometry or Tofu” Halloween party got out of hand when the violin musicians were playing too loudly, and a policeman had to tell them to please play more softly.

    • LOL: Augustus
  49. @eah
    https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1189093037881716738

    A white hispanic suspect has been arrested for shooting in a crowd of Black people

    Is this trolling by Mr. Tariq Nasheed?

    • Replies: @fish

    Is this trolling by Mr. Tariq Nasheed?
     
    More likely just reflexive narrative reinforcement……it worked so well with George Zimmerman……!
    , @Bill Jones
    How long before the advent of the "White Jigaboo"?
  50. @Baron Munchhausen
    https://youtu.be/vAAAtqSeRKI

    Thank you for sharing this excellent commentary on the sin of ‘blackface’. It’s been noted that the original ‘Birth of a Nation’ movie used blackface. This is true. ‘Birth’ also preceded ‘Jazz’ by at least five years.

    Yet ‘Birth’ and ‘Jazz Singer’ receive very different treatment by film historians today.

    DW Griffith’s seminal and groundbreaking ‘Birth of a Nation’ experienced a protest and riot at its premier nearly a century ago. ‘Birth’ is reviled for its ‘white racism’. ‘Birth’s’ sin was its cinematic depiction of episodes where white Klansmen heroically protected their communities against black criminals (portrayed by white actors in blackface). Yet ‘Birth’ was a huge commercial success in its day as well as a great cinematic step forward.

    Though both ‘Jazz’ and ‘Birth’ used ‘blackface’, the Jazz Singer’s reputation has not been sullied, even today. Why? ‘Singer’ is a timeless yarn that stresses Jewish continuity in the face of (white) assimilation. ‘Birth’ on the other hand merely concerns the struggle of white people against black barbarism.

    The modern lesson, children, is this: Jewish continuity is far more precious than mere white survival.

  51. @AR in Illinois
    Yes, I just saw this commercial at a bar where I had no control of the show currently on. I turned to my friend and we both said "WTF" simultaneously. Just another reason I haven't watched any mainstream commercial shows in over 25 years. I only watch history/science shows. And those I record so I can fast forward through all the propaganda commercials of the magic negro scientist/lawyer/investment-planner/insurance agent/family man with his white partner. TV is disgusting.

    My wife used to watch all those inane situation comedies that always manage a happy ending. When I was home on weekends, she would watch things like the Good Times marathon. I got another TV and spent my weekends, when home and not out with the grandkids, in the back bedroom watching TV or on the computer. After retirement, that wife had to go. Now I rarely watch TV. I’m like you with a preference for History or Science, but they’re even making those shows increasingly socialist. I haven’t been able to watch PBS for about 40 years. Girlfriend asks how I cycle channels so quickly. I see the subspecies, I’m on to the next channel. Too bad it would be illegal to have an ORC free channel.

    • Agree: Oil 'n Water
    • Replies: @Realist
    Yes, females are the biggest consumers of dumbass TV...and many vote shitlib.
    , @Charon
    My advice: turn off the TV entirely and listen to music instead.
    , @Gunga Din
    If they get rid of TCM and MEtv, I'll get rid of my tv. They are the closest thing to orc free channels.
  52. Reports are that the Hispanic Guy was mislabeled, he is a bouncer at the club. When questioning the party goers no one would give up any information on the shooter. Gotta protect the Brothers you know. Chances are they fingered the Hispanic dude to cover for the actual shooter. If it had been the Mexican guy I doubt he would have shown up at the wake to shoot some more. This was black on black crime for sure.

  53. • Replies: @Lost in Illinois
    @ Sick n’ Tired:

    They seem to have an extremely liberal policy when it comes to conceal carry permits in that town.
  54. Did I undestand the article correctly?Not reporting a shooting accident is putting blame on NRA & whites?

    • Replies: @Suburban_elk_99

    Did I undestand the article correctly?Not reporting a shooting accident is putting blame on NRA & whites?
     
    Logical thinking is difficult for you. See if you can follow --

    This shooting is not reported, for some reason.

    Compare this shooting to other shootings that do get national coverage. What is the difference between the two categories?
  55. @Sick 'n Tired
    Baltimore PD showing a video of what they have to deal with on a daily basis.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/10/baltimore-police-fop-posts-shock-video-of-gang-of-thugs-wielding-guns-on-neighborhood-street/

    @ Sick n’ Tired:

    They seem to have an extremely liberal policy when it comes to conceal carry permits in that town.

    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
    And apparently they lowered the age where one can buy and possess a pistol. In all the other states I have been to and lived in, you have to be 18 to buy a rifle or shotgun, and 21 to purchade a pistol.
  56. @AR in Illinois
    Yes, I just saw this commercial at a bar where I had no control of the show currently on. I turned to my friend and we both said "WTF" simultaneously. Just another reason I haven't watched any mainstream commercial shows in over 25 years. I only watch history/science shows. And those I record so I can fast forward through all the propaganda commercials of the magic negro scientist/lawyer/investment-planner/insurance agent/family man with his white partner. TV is disgusting.

    Just another reason I haven’t watched any mainstream commercial shows in over 25 years. I only watch history/science shows. And those I record so I can fast forward through all the propaganda commercials of the magic negro scientist/lawyer/investment-planner/insurance agent/family man with his white partner. TV is disgusting.

    That is pretty much what I do. Hopefully more enlightened people follow.

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    About the only cable channel not COMPLETELY converged is Hallmark.

    Yes, their movies are essentially one long Romance Novel, re-affirming to every spinster that she may still find True Love when she (as a business woman, a chef, a lawyer, etc.) spontaneously is courted by two Uber-Alpha Males (often one was her first love from HS), but so far they've resisted the urge to make the pair Salt-and-Pepper. At least the movies are "G" rated, so I don't have to watch the bed-hopping softcore porn of NBC, CBS, ABC & FOX.

    Lifetime network is like Hallmark only with Black&White couples. (pukes-in-mouth.)

    So far, Hallmark's main bend to SJW Cargo-Cultism is that they feature the usual amount of Magic Negroes who are judges, CEO's, doctors, etc., and a sprinkling of their movies are now cut from BET.

    I suppose sooner or later Hallmark too will become like the rest, All Black All The Time (e.g., FOX network, with Empire and a host of other shows that tell me I already live in South Africa where 90% of the populace is black.) At least in the 1970's shows like The Jeffersons didn't try to sell me on the idea that Black Is Di-No-Mite.

    PS: Commercial TV makes no sense. All these Black shows with Black actors and Black culture and Black music...I simply don't believe for one second that the commercials shown yield even $10 in nationwide additional spending by blacks, whites, yellows or greens. Steve Sailer wrote that his firm proved decades ago that TV commercials do not induce any significant changes in consumption at all. Why does this industry then exist? What is it we are not told? Is this all just part of the MATRIX's attempt to play us like puppets on string?
  57. @Augustus
    My wife used to watch all those inane situation comedies that always manage a happy ending. When I was home on weekends, she would watch things like the Good Times marathon. I got another TV and spent my weekends, when home and not out with the grandkids, in the back bedroom watching TV or on the computer. After retirement, that wife had to go. Now I rarely watch TV. I'm like you with a preference for History or Science, but they're even making those shows increasingly socialist. I haven't been able to watch PBS for about 40 years. Girlfriend asks how I cycle channels so quickly. I see the subspecies, I'm on to the next channel. Too bad it would be illegal to have an ORC free channel.

    Yes, females are the biggest consumers of dumbass TV…and many vote shitlib.

    • Replies: @Not Woke--Not Broke
    Realist--------- Females started voting in 1920 following the passage of the 19th Amendment. Women should have been registered for the Selective Service draft as a condition for that vote.No vote with out responsibility. Skin in the game.
  58. @Lancelot Link
    Mo' Programs, Mo Gibbs!

    Baltimore’s ‘squeegee kid’ issue has reached a tipping point; it’s time for a break

    By Baltimore Sun Editorial Board

    Baltimore Sun

    Oct 29, 2019 | 1:40 PM

    When a gun enters the contentious squeegee kid debate, we know the issue has hit a tipping point.

    Last week, a 45-year-old woman told Baltimore police she flashed her firearm because she thought a group of young people who wash car windows for cash had gotten too aggressive. A struggle ensued when one of the teens reached inside her car, and the gun went off.

    Thankfully, it appears nobody was hurt. But we should all be gravely concerned. The red flags are raised as high as they can go.

    No matter whether one believes the woman was justified in her fears of the teenagers or aggressively overreacting, she acted on those feelings, and things could have ended terribly. We might have seen a squeegee kid lying dead in the street or the driver herself wounded by her own gun.

    It’s time that everybody take a deep breath and hit reset. We propose a 30-day enforcement of city codes 47-3 through 47-5, which ban aggressive soliciting in public, solicitation of drivers in traffic or on a public street, and nighttime solicitation. Law enforcement should tell anyone violating those laws — including coaches raising money for their sports’ teams and residents selling bottled water — to move along. They should also be prepared to refer the squeegee kids, many of whom are simply looking to put food on the table or help their families pay bills, and others to specific programs and services.

    We realize this is no permanent solution. But it’s a start. It would help clear the streets for a period and give the simmering tensions between motorists and the city’s squeegee kids, mostly young men, time to cool down. The mayor’s office should use the reprieve to further its “Squeegee Alternative Plan,” meant to address the underlying poverty that leads kids to the city’s busiest intersections. It is a holistic approach that doesn’t just treat the squeegee kids as castaways in the city that is their home, and we support it.

    We don’t want these kids, or anyone else, arrested. That would do nothing but cause harm, including to their future job prospects. We have compassion for the plight of many of these youth. The city’s outreach workers should continue to seek them out and involve them in the Squeegee Alternative Plan, which makes sure the youth go to school, connects them with services and helps them get jobs. The city can also continue reaching out to young people from a database of squeegee workers they have compiled. It might be easier to reach these teenagers when the intersections are not so readily available.

    A temporary moratorium will also give the city the time to work with businesses, which sent a letter to Mayor Jack Young about concerns over the window washing, on becoming better partners in the solution. The first meeting of a work group between city representatives and business leaders to brainstorm ideas is not scheduled until early November. Among the city’s goals for the group is fostering a greater understanding and empathy among businesses and their employees toward the squeegee workers and the challenges faced by big cities with high rates of poverty.

    The city also has said it needs help funding its alternative program, which is actively working with 34 kids, but no businesses have yet stepped forward to contribute. Businesses could also provide mentoring, job prospects and help underwrite non-profits that can work with the youth. Retailer DTLR has already agreed to give kids who go through the program credits for clothes at their stores when they meet certain milestones. We need to see more such partnerships.

    Changing the mindset of the kids is one of the city’s challenges, and it will likely take time to convince a kid who knows nothing else that there are ways to make money other than hustling on the street. This kind of break should allow the city’s program time to develop further and funders to come forward to ensure the the alternative their presenting is better than the unknown of the streets.

    Baltimore’s ‘squeegee kid’ issue has reached a tipping point; it’s time for a break

    One thing is clear: The fraught relationship between motorists and squeegee kids, further frayed by the sound of one bullet piercing the air, cannot continue. No matter what side of the squeegee debate one aligns, everyone should agree it has reached a dangerous level. We were already concerned about the safety of the young people who dart in and out of traffic, we don’t want to worry about them dodging bullets as well.

    “Gravely concerned” lol, not.
    The Alternative squeegee plan will fail. Bmore is doomed.
    What a silly article.

  59. Anytime you have 750 kangz and queenz at any event the odds of a bongo party breaking out are exceedingly high. I’m also betting that a very high number of the 750 attendees were admitted to Texas A&M under affirmative action. Thanks to AA those once august institutions are now dotted with little ghettos both on and off campus.

  60. Anonymous[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lancelot Link
    Mo' Programs, Mo Gibbs!

    Baltimore’s ‘squeegee kid’ issue has reached a tipping point; it’s time for a break

    By Baltimore Sun Editorial Board

    Baltimore Sun

    Oct 29, 2019 | 1:40 PM

    When a gun enters the contentious squeegee kid debate, we know the issue has hit a tipping point.

    Last week, a 45-year-old woman told Baltimore police she flashed her firearm because she thought a group of young people who wash car windows for cash had gotten too aggressive. A struggle ensued when one of the teens reached inside her car, and the gun went off.

    Thankfully, it appears nobody was hurt. But we should all be gravely concerned. The red flags are raised as high as they can go.

    No matter whether one believes the woman was justified in her fears of the teenagers or aggressively overreacting, she acted on those feelings, and things could have ended terribly. We might have seen a squeegee kid lying dead in the street or the driver herself wounded by her own gun.

    It’s time that everybody take a deep breath and hit reset. We propose a 30-day enforcement of city codes 47-3 through 47-5, which ban aggressive soliciting in public, solicitation of drivers in traffic or on a public street, and nighttime solicitation. Law enforcement should tell anyone violating those laws — including coaches raising money for their sports’ teams and residents selling bottled water — to move along. They should also be prepared to refer the squeegee kids, many of whom are simply looking to put food on the table or help their families pay bills, and others to specific programs and services.

    We realize this is no permanent solution. But it’s a start. It would help clear the streets for a period and give the simmering tensions between motorists and the city’s squeegee kids, mostly young men, time to cool down. The mayor’s office should use the reprieve to further its “Squeegee Alternative Plan,” meant to address the underlying poverty that leads kids to the city’s busiest intersections. It is a holistic approach that doesn’t just treat the squeegee kids as castaways in the city that is their home, and we support it.

    We don’t want these kids, or anyone else, arrested. That would do nothing but cause harm, including to their future job prospects. We have compassion for the plight of many of these youth. The city’s outreach workers should continue to seek them out and involve them in the Squeegee Alternative Plan, which makes sure the youth go to school, connects them with services and helps them get jobs. The city can also continue reaching out to young people from a database of squeegee workers they have compiled. It might be easier to reach these teenagers when the intersections are not so readily available.

    A temporary moratorium will also give the city the time to work with businesses, which sent a letter to Mayor Jack Young about concerns over the window washing, on becoming better partners in the solution. The first meeting of a work group between city representatives and business leaders to brainstorm ideas is not scheduled until early November. Among the city’s goals for the group is fostering a greater understanding and empathy among businesses and their employees toward the squeegee workers and the challenges faced by big cities with high rates of poverty.

    The city also has said it needs help funding its alternative program, which is actively working with 34 kids, but no businesses have yet stepped forward to contribute. Businesses could also provide mentoring, job prospects and help underwrite non-profits that can work with the youth. Retailer DTLR has already agreed to give kids who go through the program credits for clothes at their stores when they meet certain milestones. We need to see more such partnerships.

    Changing the mindset of the kids is one of the city’s challenges, and it will likely take time to convince a kid who knows nothing else that there are ways to make money other than hustling on the street. This kind of break should allow the city’s program time to develop further and funders to come forward to ensure the the alternative their presenting is better than the unknown of the streets.

    Baltimore’s ‘squeegee kid’ issue has reached a tipping point; it’s time for a break

    One thing is clear: The fraught relationship between motorists and squeegee kids, further frayed by the sound of one bullet piercing the air, cannot continue. No matter what side of the squeegee debate one aligns, everyone should agree it has reached a dangerous level. We were already concerned about the safety of the young people who dart in and out of traffic, we don’t want to worry about them dodging bullets as well.

    Re: squeegee kid editorial

    I noticed the author didn’t see the slightest thing amiss that instead of backing away and stopping their harassment of the woman (who must have been black, since this was the first I’ve heard about the story) after she brandished a gun, the “kids” instead amplified up their aggression and reached into the car to take the gun from her (a la Michael Brown). After all, wouldn’t want to say the “kids” have any fault in the matter, there are “future job prospects” on the line.

  61. @Mr. Rational
    To be totally honest, I don't care if anyone who goes to a "Twerk or Treat" party dies in a mass killing.

    I don't care if EVERYONE who goes to a "Twerk or Treat" party dies in a mass killing.

    Neither these parties nor those who go to them should be anywhere outside of Africa.

    I’ve gone to plenty of “twerp or twit” parties. Nobody gets hurt, but they’re all pretty boring.

  62. @Pat Kittle

    Mass Shooting at Black "Twerk or Tweet" Halloween Party on Campus... Followed by Retaliatory Gun Attack at Vigil
     
    --- A half century of affirmative action,
    --- $$$ TRILLIONS $$$ in welfare (i.e., reparations),
    --- metastasizing "Studies" curricula...

    ...incredible.

    We were warned.

    Only if the white people had not invented guns and bullets them po’ niggas be still alive… oh, the humanity!

  63. “So what goes on at a “Twerk or Tweet” Halloween party? This is not a typo: the black party was labeled and promoted as a “Twerk or Tweet” Halloween party”
    Typo, what typo? The block party was a black party.

  64. Its why we should encourage gun ownership for Blacks in America. Really, most often they will just shoot each other, sometimes fatally if given some marksmanship training.

  65. IT WAS NOT ON THE CAMPUS!!! Get your facts straight! 😡

  66. @Lancelot Link
    Mo' Programs, Mo Gibbs!

    Baltimore’s ‘squeegee kid’ issue has reached a tipping point; it’s time for a break

    By Baltimore Sun Editorial Board

    Baltimore Sun

    Oct 29, 2019 | 1:40 PM

    When a gun enters the contentious squeegee kid debate, we know the issue has hit a tipping point.

    Last week, a 45-year-old woman told Baltimore police she flashed her firearm because she thought a group of young people who wash car windows for cash had gotten too aggressive. A struggle ensued when one of the teens reached inside her car, and the gun went off.

    Thankfully, it appears nobody was hurt. But we should all be gravely concerned. The red flags are raised as high as they can go.

    No matter whether one believes the woman was justified in her fears of the teenagers or aggressively overreacting, she acted on those feelings, and things could have ended terribly. We might have seen a squeegee kid lying dead in the street or the driver herself wounded by her own gun.

    It’s time that everybody take a deep breath and hit reset. We propose a 30-day enforcement of city codes 47-3 through 47-5, which ban aggressive soliciting in public, solicitation of drivers in traffic or on a public street, and nighttime solicitation. Law enforcement should tell anyone violating those laws — including coaches raising money for their sports’ teams and residents selling bottled water — to move along. They should also be prepared to refer the squeegee kids, many of whom are simply looking to put food on the table or help their families pay bills, and others to specific programs and services.

    We realize this is no permanent solution. But it’s a start. It would help clear the streets for a period and give the simmering tensions between motorists and the city’s squeegee kids, mostly young men, time to cool down. The mayor’s office should use the reprieve to further its “Squeegee Alternative Plan,” meant to address the underlying poverty that leads kids to the city’s busiest intersections. It is a holistic approach that doesn’t just treat the squeegee kids as castaways in the city that is their home, and we support it.

    We don’t want these kids, or anyone else, arrested. That would do nothing but cause harm, including to their future job prospects. We have compassion for the plight of many of these youth. The city’s outreach workers should continue to seek them out and involve them in the Squeegee Alternative Plan, which makes sure the youth go to school, connects them with services and helps them get jobs. The city can also continue reaching out to young people from a database of squeegee workers they have compiled. It might be easier to reach these teenagers when the intersections are not so readily available.

    A temporary moratorium will also give the city the time to work with businesses, which sent a letter to Mayor Jack Young about concerns over the window washing, on becoming better partners in the solution. The first meeting of a work group between city representatives and business leaders to brainstorm ideas is not scheduled until early November. Among the city’s goals for the group is fostering a greater understanding and empathy among businesses and their employees toward the squeegee workers and the challenges faced by big cities with high rates of poverty.

    The city also has said it needs help funding its alternative program, which is actively working with 34 kids, but no businesses have yet stepped forward to contribute. Businesses could also provide mentoring, job prospects and help underwrite non-profits that can work with the youth. Retailer DTLR has already agreed to give kids who go through the program credits for clothes at their stores when they meet certain milestones. We need to see more such partnerships.

    Changing the mindset of the kids is one of the city’s challenges, and it will likely take time to convince a kid who knows nothing else that there are ways to make money other than hustling on the street. This kind of break should allow the city’s program time to develop further and funders to come forward to ensure the the alternative their presenting is better than the unknown of the streets.

    Baltimore’s ‘squeegee kid’ issue has reached a tipping point; it’s time for a break

    One thing is clear: The fraught relationship between motorists and squeegee kids, further frayed by the sound of one bullet piercing the air, cannot continue. No matter what side of the squeegee debate one aligns, everyone should agree it has reached a dangerous level. We were already concerned about the safety of the young people who dart in and out of traffic, we don’t want to worry about them dodging bullets as well.

    Re: squeegee kid editorial:

    The woman had the right idea.

    Next time, the gun in her strong-side hand, Sabre Red OC gel (spray) in the weak hand, crack the window enough to insure that the gel will exit the car, and hose the clowns if they approach.

    Anyone breaks the window gets a mag-dump.

    Anyone who tries to spray OC INTO the car gets lit.

    It’s long past time to discourage the clowns, and if OC doesn’t do the job, something more permanent will.

    In reality, I agree with the author of the article; don’t put them in jail (why make the taxpayer suffer twice–once for the crime, a second time to pay to feed, shelter and clothe the clown); the real answer is to kick the clown out of civilization.

    Only those who create civilization are entitled to live in it. Those who cannot or will not “make” civilization should be EXILED…I don’t care where. (Have taxpayers pay off Puerto Rico’s debt…we are, anyway…and move everyone off the island; then, when some barbarian refuses to obey such reasonable laws, drop them off on the island and forget about them.)

    • Replies: @Glock45
    Only those who create civilization are entitled to live in it. Those who cannot or will not “make” civilization should be EXILED…I don’t care where.

    In a sane world, that would be a civilization's guiding principle.

    But here in clown world, even expressing such a thought will soon be punishable as a "hate crime."

    Because we already know that, if such a sane policy ever were enacted, blacks would suffer a "disparate impact."
    , @donvonburg

    (Have taxpayers pay off Puerto Rico’s debt…we are, anyway…and move everyone off the island; then, when some barbarian refuses to obey such reasonable laws, drop them off on the island and forget about them.)
     
    Like that movie Escape from New York, only buying out Puerto Rico would be cheaper.
  67. @Realist

    Just another reason I haven’t watched any mainstream commercial shows in over 25 years. I only watch history/science shows. And those I record so I can fast forward through all the propaganda commercials of the magic negro scientist/lawyer/investment-planner/insurance agent/family man with his white partner. TV is disgusting.
     
    That is pretty much what I do. Hopefully more enlightened people follow.

    About the only cable channel not COMPLETELY converged is Hallmark.

    Yes, their movies are essentially one long Romance Novel, re-affirming to every spinster that she may still find True Love when she (as a business woman, a chef, a lawyer, etc.) spontaneously is courted by two Uber-Alpha Males (often one was her first love from HS), but so far they’ve resisted the urge to make the pair Salt-and-Pepper. At least the movies are “G” rated, so I don’t have to watch the bed-hopping softcore porn of NBC, CBS, ABC & FOX.

    Lifetime network is like Hallmark only with Black&White couples. (pukes-in-mouth.)

    So far, Hallmark’s main bend to SJW Cargo-Cultism is that they feature the usual amount of Magic Negroes who are judges, CEO’s, doctors, etc., and a sprinkling of their movies are now cut from BET.

    I suppose sooner or later Hallmark too will become like the rest, All Black All The Time (e.g., FOX network, with Empire and a host of other shows that tell me I already live in South Africa where 90% of the populace is black.) At least in the 1970’s shows like The Jeffersons didn’t try to sell me on the idea that Black Is Di-No-Mite.

    PS: Commercial TV makes no sense. All these Black shows with Black actors and Black culture and Black music…I simply don’t believe for one second that the commercials shown yield even $10 in nationwide additional spending by blacks, whites, yellows or greens. Steve Sailer wrote that his firm proved decades ago that TV commercials do not induce any significant changes in consumption at all. Why does this industry then exist? What is it we are not told? Is this all just part of the MATRIX’s attempt to play us like puppets on string?

    • Replies: @Realist

    Steve Sailer wrote that his firm proved decades ago that TV commercials do not induce any significant changes in consumption at all.
     
    I believe Steve is correct. I have for, years, wondered why companies show ads on TV. My Pillow is a great example. How many pillows do they need to sell to pay for their excessive commercials? Ford trucks...is Ford selling enough, more, trucks to pay for the obsessive commercials? I think not.

    Is this all just part of the MATRIX’s attempt to play us like puppets on string?
     
    It is possible that the Deep State is footing, part of the bill, to foment the breakdown of society, to facilitate a take over of America. To the Deep State all that matters is wealth and power.
    , @Charon

    Commercial TV makes no sense. All these Black shows with Black actors and Black culture and Black music…
     
    So-called "GoodWhites" absolutely love that stuff. They live for it. They use it as a sexual aid. They are the ones who repeat "I hate white people" as an endless mantra.

    They are brainwashed. The MSM rule.
    , @Corvinus
    "Steve Sailer wrote that his firm proved decades ago that TV commercials do not induce any significant changes in consumption at all."

    You mean the company that he worked for conduct research to lend credibility to an assertion. There are other notable studies that demonstrate that advertising does lead to "significant changes in consumption".

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2743554

    https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/sites/gsb/files/gardeteadvertising.pdf

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/8636084_Effect_of_Television_Advertisements_for_Foods_on_Food_Consumption_in_Children
  68. @padre
    Did I undestand the article correctly?Not reporting a shooting accident is putting blame on NRA & whites?

    Did I undestand the article correctly?Not reporting a shooting accident is putting blame on NRA & whites?

    Logical thinking is difficult for you. See if you can follow —

    This shooting is not reported, for some reason.

    Compare this shooting to other shootings that do get national coverage. What is the difference between the two categories?

  69. @dc.sunsets
    About the only cable channel not COMPLETELY converged is Hallmark.

    Yes, their movies are essentially one long Romance Novel, re-affirming to every spinster that she may still find True Love when she (as a business woman, a chef, a lawyer, etc.) spontaneously is courted by two Uber-Alpha Males (often one was her first love from HS), but so far they've resisted the urge to make the pair Salt-and-Pepper. At least the movies are "G" rated, so I don't have to watch the bed-hopping softcore porn of NBC, CBS, ABC & FOX.

    Lifetime network is like Hallmark only with Black&White couples. (pukes-in-mouth.)

    So far, Hallmark's main bend to SJW Cargo-Cultism is that they feature the usual amount of Magic Negroes who are judges, CEO's, doctors, etc., and a sprinkling of their movies are now cut from BET.

    I suppose sooner or later Hallmark too will become like the rest, All Black All The Time (e.g., FOX network, with Empire and a host of other shows that tell me I already live in South Africa where 90% of the populace is black.) At least in the 1970's shows like The Jeffersons didn't try to sell me on the idea that Black Is Di-No-Mite.

    PS: Commercial TV makes no sense. All these Black shows with Black actors and Black culture and Black music...I simply don't believe for one second that the commercials shown yield even $10 in nationwide additional spending by blacks, whites, yellows or greens. Steve Sailer wrote that his firm proved decades ago that TV commercials do not induce any significant changes in consumption at all. Why does this industry then exist? What is it we are not told? Is this all just part of the MATRIX's attempt to play us like puppets on string?

    Steve Sailer wrote that his firm proved decades ago that TV commercials do not induce any significant changes in consumption at all.

    I believe Steve is correct. I have for, years, wondered why companies show ads on TV. My Pillow is a great example. How many pillows do they need to sell to pay for their excessive commercials? Ford trucks…is Ford selling enough, more, trucks to pay for the obsessive commercials? I think not.

    Is this all just part of the MATRIX’s attempt to play us like puppets on string?

    It is possible that the Deep State is footing, part of the bill, to foment the breakdown of society, to facilitate a take over of America. To the Deep State all that matters is wealth and power.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    I went to B School decades ago, and we spent a lot of time of the question of whether TV (and other advertising) worked.

    At that time the numbers proved that in most cases it did work--brand name recognition was a particularly important factor. Another factor was retention of existing customers (convincing them that it was ok not to switch to a competitor).

    I have no clue what the numbers say today, particularly since the main TV audience is aging baby boomers (and folks older than that).

    Using black actors and spokespeople would work, since the purpose of TV ads is to generate emotion and short-circuit rational thinking--and any emotion (including fear and anger) will do. Inter-racial (black men and white women) should check that box nicely for the white male baby-boomers. They know they are being replaced (at an emotional level) and it terrifies them (as it should). The fact that they cannot speak of it in public increases the anger and thus the emotional response.

    The "conspiracy" element is that this particular meme is chosen out of an almost infinite number of memes that could generate the same emotional response.
  70. @Lost in Illinois
    @ Sick n’ Tired:

    They seem to have an extremely liberal policy when it comes to conceal carry permits in that town.

    And apparently they lowered the age where one can buy and possess a pistol. In all the other states I have been to and lived in, you have to be 18 to buy a rifle or shotgun, and 21 to purchade a pistol.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    And apparently they lowered the age where one can buy and possess a pistol. In all the other states I have been to and lived in, you have to be 18 to buy a rifle or shotgun, and 21 to purchase a pistol.
     
    That's federal. States can have higher minima but not lower.

    In addition most retailers will not sell "dual use" ammo to under 21's, except .22 long rifle, and many retailers won't sell long guns to under-21's.

    I have a female friend who works for one of the Big Box sporting goods emporiums in the gun department. Her stories of the differential behaviors of black, mestizo, and white buyers are interesting to say the least.

    Upscale blacks who are well dressed and spoken are roughly indifferentiable from white buyers. Underclass black males are nowhere to be found. Underclass black females are there in fair profusion, buying typical black hood type guns. They have been carefully schooled to avoid "Straw Man Purchase" "red flags" but it's obvious they don't know squat about what they are buying. (Who be schoolin' dem, is another question.)

    Black women who look like hookers do buy tiny pocket pistols and seem to be more knowledgeable about them. Occasionally they will buy a shotgun. She figures those are the madams.

    Mestizos like nickel, chrome and stainless cowboy guns and have a definite preference for nickel 1911s in .38 Super. She suspects many of these somehow wind up back in old Mexico, but again, they are schooled in what not to do or say. These buyers tend to be heavily accented and well if flamboyantly dressed, but polite. Long term second and third generation mestizos often buy inexpensive duck shotguns and appear to be doing so for actual duck hunting. The Americanized mestiza prefers a 9mm Beretta or similar as a purse gun or for legit recreational target shooting at ranges.
  71. @dc.sunsets
    Re: squeegee kid editorial:

    The woman had the right idea.

    Next time, the gun in her strong-side hand, Sabre Red OC gel (spray) in the weak hand, crack the window enough to insure that the gel will exit the car, and hose the clowns if they approach.

    Anyone breaks the window gets a mag-dump.

    Anyone who tries to spray OC INTO the car gets lit.

    It's long past time to discourage the clowns, and if OC doesn't do the job, something more permanent will.

    In reality, I agree with the author of the article; don't put them in jail (why make the taxpayer suffer twice--once for the crime, a second time to pay to feed, shelter and clothe the clown); the real answer is to kick the clown out of civilization.

    Only those who create civilization are entitled to live in it. Those who cannot or will not "make" civilization should be EXILED...I don't care where. (Have taxpayers pay off Puerto Rico's debt...we are, anyway...and move everyone off the island; then, when some barbarian refuses to obey such reasonable laws, drop them off on the island and forget about them.)

    Only those who create civilization are entitled to live in it. Those who cannot or will not “make” civilization should be EXILED…I don’t care where.

    In a sane world, that would be a civilization’s guiding principle.

    But here in clown world, even expressing such a thought will soon be punishable as a “hate crime.”

    Because we already know that, if such a sane policy ever were enacted, blacks would suffer a “disparate impact.”

  72. AUG. 29, 2019 820 new Texas laws go into effect in September. Here are some that might affect you.

    The laws include new rules for smokers, telemarketers and kids selling lemonade.

    https://www.texastribune.org/2019/08/29/new-laws-texas-september-2019-what-you-need-know/

    May 1, 2019 Texas Lawmakers Move to Re-Enforce Gun-Owners Rights to Carry Firearms In Churches

    Lawmakers in Texas are considering a bill that would make it clear that licensed permit holders’ have a right to carry handguns in places of worship.

  73. Oct 30, 2019 Patriot Act On Steroids: Trump’s Dangerous New ‘Pre-Crime’ Plan

    Dubbed “The Surge,” President Trump through his Attorney General have sent notice to law enforcement across the country that they need to be even MORE militarized and must receive more training on how to identify and punish Americans for crimes they have not (yet) committed. The FBI has a plan to go after “potential” threats by identifying, among others, “anti-government extremists.” Who gets to decide?

    • Replies: @Cauchemar du Singe
    CIA, Mossad, NSA, Shin Bet, Trump, Bushes, Obongo, Holder, Barr, Lynch, Clintons, Chertoff, Lieberman, Trotsky, Stalin, the scum that Vicky Nuland-Kagan helped to install in The Ukraine, the ridiculous poofters that front Canada and France, The (((Tribe))) that runs The EU, The Pedophile Mafia etc.
    It's all the same shyte.
    Keep the bastids ignorant of you, as much as possible.
  74. @Realist

    Steve Sailer wrote that his firm proved decades ago that TV commercials do not induce any significant changes in consumption at all.
     
    I believe Steve is correct. I have for, years, wondered why companies show ads on TV. My Pillow is a great example. How many pillows do they need to sell to pay for their excessive commercials? Ford trucks...is Ford selling enough, more, trucks to pay for the obsessive commercials? I think not.

    Is this all just part of the MATRIX’s attempt to play us like puppets on string?
     
    It is possible that the Deep State is footing, part of the bill, to foment the breakdown of society, to facilitate a take over of America. To the Deep State all that matters is wealth and power.

    I went to B School decades ago, and we spent a lot of time of the question of whether TV (and other advertising) worked.

    At that time the numbers proved that in most cases it did work–brand name recognition was a particularly important factor. Another factor was retention of existing customers (convincing them that it was ok not to switch to a competitor).

    I have no clue what the numbers say today, particularly since the main TV audience is aging baby boomers (and folks older than that).

    Using black actors and spokespeople would work, since the purpose of TV ads is to generate emotion and short-circuit rational thinking–and any emotion (including fear and anger) will do. Inter-racial (black men and white women) should check that box nicely for the white male baby-boomers. They know they are being replaced (at an emotional level) and it terrifies them (as it should). The fact that they cannot speak of it in public increases the anger and thus the emotional response.

    The “conspiracy” element is that this particular meme is chosen out of an almost infinite number of memes that could generate the same emotional response.

  75. • Replies: @Love Street
    I bet BRA officials and thier underlings are probably 99.9 pc guilty of some scheme or scam but haven’t been busted yet.
  76. @Hail

    A white hispanic suspect has been arrested for shooting in a crowd of Black people
     
    Is this trolling by Mr. Tariq Nasheed?

    Is this trolling by Mr. Tariq Nasheed?

    More likely just reflexive narrative reinforcement……it worked so well with George Zimmerman……!

  77. What happened to trigger those black scholars!?

  78. Blacks on Blacks…what’s new?

  79. @Hail

    A white hispanic suspect has been arrested for shooting in a crowd of Black people
     
    Is this trolling by Mr. Tariq Nasheed?

    How long before the advent of the “White Jigaboo”?

  80. @Lancelot Link
    Mo' Programs, Mo Gibbs!

    Baltimore’s ‘squeegee kid’ issue has reached a tipping point; it’s time for a break

    By Baltimore Sun Editorial Board

    Baltimore Sun

    Oct 29, 2019 | 1:40 PM

    When a gun enters the contentious squeegee kid debate, we know the issue has hit a tipping point.

    Last week, a 45-year-old woman told Baltimore police she flashed her firearm because she thought a group of young people who wash car windows for cash had gotten too aggressive. A struggle ensued when one of the teens reached inside her car, and the gun went off.

    Thankfully, it appears nobody was hurt. But we should all be gravely concerned. The red flags are raised as high as they can go.

    No matter whether one believes the woman was justified in her fears of the teenagers or aggressively overreacting, she acted on those feelings, and things could have ended terribly. We might have seen a squeegee kid lying dead in the street or the driver herself wounded by her own gun.

    It’s time that everybody take a deep breath and hit reset. We propose a 30-day enforcement of city codes 47-3 through 47-5, which ban aggressive soliciting in public, solicitation of drivers in traffic or on a public street, and nighttime solicitation. Law enforcement should tell anyone violating those laws — including coaches raising money for their sports’ teams and residents selling bottled water — to move along. They should also be prepared to refer the squeegee kids, many of whom are simply looking to put food on the table or help their families pay bills, and others to specific programs and services.

    We realize this is no permanent solution. But it’s a start. It would help clear the streets for a period and give the simmering tensions between motorists and the city’s squeegee kids, mostly young men, time to cool down. The mayor’s office should use the reprieve to further its “Squeegee Alternative Plan,” meant to address the underlying poverty that leads kids to the city’s busiest intersections. It is a holistic approach that doesn’t just treat the squeegee kids as castaways in the city that is their home, and we support it.

    We don’t want these kids, or anyone else, arrested. That would do nothing but cause harm, including to their future job prospects. We have compassion for the plight of many of these youth. The city’s outreach workers should continue to seek them out and involve them in the Squeegee Alternative Plan, which makes sure the youth go to school, connects them with services and helps them get jobs. The city can also continue reaching out to young people from a database of squeegee workers they have compiled. It might be easier to reach these teenagers when the intersections are not so readily available.

    A temporary moratorium will also give the city the time to work with businesses, which sent a letter to Mayor Jack Young about concerns over the window washing, on becoming better partners in the solution. The first meeting of a work group between city representatives and business leaders to brainstorm ideas is not scheduled until early November. Among the city’s goals for the group is fostering a greater understanding and empathy among businesses and their employees toward the squeegee workers and the challenges faced by big cities with high rates of poverty.

    The city also has said it needs help funding its alternative program, which is actively working with 34 kids, but no businesses have yet stepped forward to contribute. Businesses could also provide mentoring, job prospects and help underwrite non-profits that can work with the youth. Retailer DTLR has already agreed to give kids who go through the program credits for clothes at their stores when they meet certain milestones. We need to see more such partnerships.

    Changing the mindset of the kids is one of the city’s challenges, and it will likely take time to convince a kid who knows nothing else that there are ways to make money other than hustling on the street. This kind of break should allow the city’s program time to develop further and funders to come forward to ensure the the alternative their presenting is better than the unknown of the streets.

    Baltimore’s ‘squeegee kid’ issue has reached a tipping point; it’s time for a break

    One thing is clear: The fraught relationship between motorists and squeegee kids, further frayed by the sound of one bullet piercing the air, cannot continue. No matter what side of the squeegee debate one aligns, everyone should agree it has reached a dangerous level. We were already concerned about the safety of the young people who dart in and out of traffic, we don’t want to worry about them dodging bullets as well.

    Last week, a 45-year-old woman told Baltimore police she flashed her firearm because she thought a group of young people who wash car windows for cash had gotten too aggressive.

    Flashing a weapon aka ‘brandishing’ a weapon is illegal in many states.

    A good rule of thumb is an attacker should only realize you’re armed after they’ve been shot.

  81. The mex arrested for this is probably innocent.

  82. @Jim in Jersey
    At first when I saw this reported on Breitbart, my immediate thought was, ‘here we go again’...

    Another round of stupid, non-sensical gun laws.

    Texas.

    School.

    Shooting.

    2 dead.

    12 wounded.

    750 attendees.

    Wait. What? 750 people at a block party?

    After that I stopped reading and lost all interest.

    I knew exactly what happened.

    Yep, me too. After living in Chicago for almost 30 years, I recognized the signs: gigantic block party, stretching into the wee hours, topped off by a drive-by shooting. What really clinched it was the mention (in the article I read) that “witnesses were refusing to talk to police.” Bulls-eye.

  83. @Detective Callahan
    Birmingham water board member guilty on ethics charges
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al.com/news/2019/10/birmingham-water-board-member-guilty-on-ethics-charges.html%3foutputType=amp

    BRA...

    I bet BRA officials and thier underlings are probably 99.9 pc guilty of some scheme or scam but haven’t been busted yet.

    • Replies: @Anon
    I'd be willing to bet that "this one" is a bit over your head.
  84. @AR in Illinois
    Yes, I just saw this commercial at a bar where I had no control of the show currently on. I turned to my friend and we both said "WTF" simultaneously. Just another reason I haven't watched any mainstream commercial shows in over 25 years. I only watch history/science shows. And those I record so I can fast forward through all the propaganda commercials of the magic negro scientist/lawyer/investment-planner/insurance agent/family man with his white partner. TV is disgusting.

    The media are, indeed, quite disgusting, except as you might count unz.com as a medium.
    And disgust for that medium is expressed vociferously, everywhere you turn. Very vociferously.
    You don’t have to agree.

  85. @Agent76
    Oct 30, 2019 Patriot Act On Steroids: Trump's Dangerous New 'Pre-Crime' Plan

    Dubbed "The Surge," President Trump through his Attorney General have sent notice to law enforcement across the country that they need to be even MORE militarized and must receive more training on how to identify and punish Americans for crimes they have not (yet) committed. The FBI has a plan to go after "potential" threats by identifying, among others, "anti-government extremists." Who gets to decide?

    https://youtu.be/nDZwzkahh7g

    CIA, Mossad, NSA, Shin Bet, Trump, Bushes, Obongo, Holder, Barr, Lynch, Clintons, Chertoff, Lieberman, Trotsky, Stalin, the scum that Vicky Nuland-Kagan helped to install in The Ukraine, the ridiculous poofters that front Canada and France, The (((Tribe))) that runs The EU, The Pedophile Mafia etc.
    It’s all the same shyte.
    Keep the bastids ignorant of you, as much as possible.

  86. @Augustus
    My wife used to watch all those inane situation comedies that always manage a happy ending. When I was home on weekends, she would watch things like the Good Times marathon. I got another TV and spent my weekends, when home and not out with the grandkids, in the back bedroom watching TV or on the computer. After retirement, that wife had to go. Now I rarely watch TV. I'm like you with a preference for History or Science, but they're even making those shows increasingly socialist. I haven't been able to watch PBS for about 40 years. Girlfriend asks how I cycle channels so quickly. I see the subspecies, I'm on to the next channel. Too bad it would be illegal to have an ORC free channel.

    My advice: turn off the TV entirely and listen to music instead.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  87. @dc.sunsets
    About the only cable channel not COMPLETELY converged is Hallmark.

    Yes, their movies are essentially one long Romance Novel, re-affirming to every spinster that she may still find True Love when she (as a business woman, a chef, a lawyer, etc.) spontaneously is courted by two Uber-Alpha Males (often one was her first love from HS), but so far they've resisted the urge to make the pair Salt-and-Pepper. At least the movies are "G" rated, so I don't have to watch the bed-hopping softcore porn of NBC, CBS, ABC & FOX.

    Lifetime network is like Hallmark only with Black&White couples. (pukes-in-mouth.)

    So far, Hallmark's main bend to SJW Cargo-Cultism is that they feature the usual amount of Magic Negroes who are judges, CEO's, doctors, etc., and a sprinkling of their movies are now cut from BET.

    I suppose sooner or later Hallmark too will become like the rest, All Black All The Time (e.g., FOX network, with Empire and a host of other shows that tell me I already live in South Africa where 90% of the populace is black.) At least in the 1970's shows like The Jeffersons didn't try to sell me on the idea that Black Is Di-No-Mite.

    PS: Commercial TV makes no sense. All these Black shows with Black actors and Black culture and Black music...I simply don't believe for one second that the commercials shown yield even $10 in nationwide additional spending by blacks, whites, yellows or greens. Steve Sailer wrote that his firm proved decades ago that TV commercials do not induce any significant changes in consumption at all. Why does this industry then exist? What is it we are not told? Is this all just part of the MATRIX's attempt to play us like puppets on string?

    Commercial TV makes no sense. All these Black shows with Black actors and Black culture and Black music…

    So-called “GoodWhites” absolutely love that stuff. They live for it. They use it as a sexual aid. They are the ones who repeat “I hate white people” as an endless mantra.

    They are brainwashed. The MSM rule.

  88. Meh, as long as Blacks keep in ‘da hood while keeping it real, i just don’t care. Just like Baltimore,i don’t care if it’s 300 murders or 30000 murders. Shots ringing out are not a problem.I don’t care if they mortar each other.

    • Agree: By-tor
    • Replies: @Boy the way Glenn Miller played

    Just like Baltimore,i don’t care if it’s 300 murders or 30000 murders.
     
    I care. 30,000 would begin to make a dent in the problem.
  89. @Realist
    Yes, females are the biggest consumers of dumbass TV...and many vote shitlib.

    Realist——— Females started voting in 1920 following the passage of the 19th Amendment. Women should have been registered for the Selective Service draft as a condition for that vote.No vote with out responsibility. Skin in the game.

    • Replies: @Realist

    Women should have been registered for the Selective Service draft as a condition for that vote.No vote with out responsibility. Skin in the game.
     
    Perhaps, since we did have a draft at the time, but I am against the draft. Having a voluntary military is a crude form of Democracy. But I believe that all Democracies are doomed to fail...when idiots are allowed to vote, bad things happen. I am aware of the argument that we have a Republic, but a Republic is a Democracy wearing lipstick.
  90. @Sick of Orcs

    We were warned
     
    We were insufficiently warned. Older generations were blindsided by howls for 'Sibble Rights.' No segregation proponent had facts about the color of crime (may not have existed then) and none publicly argued why orcs were segregated in the first place.

    You are correct. I participated in the local white support of the civil rights campaign in Birmingham, Alabama, in 1962 and 1963. I was in my late teens and accompanied my brother, who was a medical student, to meetings in the basement of the 16th Street Baptist Church (long before the bombing there), and also to meetings at a local Jewish medical school professor’s home. I went with my brother not because of any commitment to civil rights on my part. I was neutral on the matter, but my brother had received death threats from the Klan and was being harassed by the Birmingham police. My thinking was that if I was with him perhaps the white radicals would not kill us both and my brother would be safer. I was later threatened with death by my college roommate for arguing that civil rights should be available to blacks, and my father was similarly threatened by a coworker. Our family was native to the South since 1630.

    The local proponents of desegregation were professional business leaders and academics. The opponents were car mechanics, truck drivers and miners (in one case, of a one-man shaft to a shallow seam of coal). The segregationists were not attractive people; mostly they were brutish. I believe that they were motivated by instinctive hatred. They could not make reasoned arguments against desegregation. During the mid-1960’s I never heard anyone predict the catastrophic results that would follow from black enfranchisement. At that time, because of segregation and severe law enforcement, black anti-civilizational behavior was minimal. The results of the civil rights experiment could not be predicted so easily. Family life was the rule among blacks, drugs were not yet a source of chaos in their communities, no one understood that genetic determinism was a prudent intellectual stance, African colonies were just becoming self-ruled and had not then descended into the post-colonial dysfunction of today.

    In my opinion, the experiment of the last 60 years could not have been avoided. Most people embark upon marriage without a coherent evaluation of its prospects, and many divorce after they understand the dynamics of their situation. Whites did the marriage. Now it is time for the divorce.

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs
    • Replies: @SurfingUSA

    During the mid-1960’s I never heard anyone predict the catastrophic results that would follow from black enfranchisement. At that time, because of segregation and severe law enforcement, black anti-civilizational behavior was minimal. The results of the civil rights experiment could not be predicted so easily. Family life was the rule among blacks, drugs were not yet a source of chaos in their communities, no one understood that genetic determinism was a prudent intellectual stance, African colonies were just becoming self-ruled and had not then descended into the post-colonial dysfunction of today.
     
    Can't add much to this eloquent post except that it mirrors my observations and evolution in thinking precisely.
    , @dc.sunsets

    Whites did the marriage. Now it is time for the divorce.
     
    Yours is an incredibly insightful comment and prescription.
    , @Mr. Rational

    no one understood that genetic determinism was a prudent intellectual stance, African colonies were just becoming self-ruled and had not then descended into the post-colonial dysfunction of today.
     
    That's because history and especially anthropology had been systematically re-written by a certain tribe, starting with (((Franz Boas))) and his horde of acolytes.  If you go back to 19th-century books like Negroes in Negroland you will see race realism aka genetic determinism in full bloom.  It took that generation dying off before the equalitarian myth could be put ahead of racial fact.

    The statements of Southerners like Robert E. Lee show just how much we were forced to forget:

    "... wherever you find the negro, everything is going down around him, and wherever you find a white man, you see everything around him improving.”
     
    And this is eerily prescient:

    “You will never prosper with blacks, and it is abhorrent to a reflecting mind to be supporting and cherishing those who are plotting and working for your injury, and all of whose sympathies and associations are antagonistic to yours."
     
    The experiment has been run.  Freedom and "equal rights" failed.  It's time for a divorce.
    , @William Badwhite

    I believe that they were motivated by instinctive hatred.
     
    Deciding that you know best about other people's motives leads to shoddy reasoning. People didn't want to live around blacks then for the same reason they don't want to now. Yes they were better behaved then than now, but the differences were still rather stark.

    The results of the civil rights experiment could not be predicted so easily.
     
    It could have been predicted and it was. It is just that northerners (and you apparently) weren't listening. This is why segregation was in place. The people who put it in place didn't wake up one day and for no reason at all and concoct segregation.

    Our family was native to the South since 1630.
     
    I don't believe this. If your family has been in the south since the 1600's, then they have lived around blacks and they were there during Reconstruction. Actually you said "native" to the South, as opposed to living in the South. Perhaps they'd moved up north and decided their ancestors were idiots for not loving blacks. Meanwhile, back in the South, blacks went apeshit during Reconstruction and plenty of southerners saw their nature up close and decided they didn't like it very much and decided they didn't want to live around them.

    I agree with the rest of your post, the divorce, etc.
    , @AnalogMan

    African colonies were just becoming self-ruled and had not then descended into the post-colonial dysfunction of today.

    In my opinion, the experiment of the last 60 years could not have been avoided.
     
    Nonsense. The descent into chaos was instantaneous, in every case. Ghana, Congo, Uganda, Kenya, Tanzania, Zambia, Angola, Mozambique... one by one, the same story every time. But, "This time it will be different". And it never was different. It was obvious to anybody who would look. Many people sounded warnings. None was heeded.

    There was a documentary film by an Italian crew called Africa Addio that recorded the process. It's on Youtube. Watch it, if you have a strong stomach.

    Don't tell me "Nobody warned us".
    , @Sick of Orcs
    Excellent comment, my friend, with a good story to boot.

    The local proponents of desegregation were professional business leaders and academics.

    Isn't is weird how those pushing integration are the least likely to be around Blacks? Or if there are Blacks in their spheres, it's only the "Talented 1/1000th" whom other Blacks hate and call "Oreos."
    , @Corvinus
    "At that time, because of segregation and severe law enforcement, black anti-civilizational behavior was minimal."

    You mean the suppressing of fundamental liberties and the brutish methods to enforce white dominance.

    "no one understood that genetic determinism was a prudent intellectual stance..."

    It was the primary factor why southrons chose not to pick their own cotton; rather, they greased the skids and imported avarice and disease.
  91. Halloween Party on Campus of Texas A&M

    If they’re at college, aren’t they the “talented tenth?”

    Remember this when some open borders lib tells you immigrants attend college at higher rate than natives.

  92. @Augustus
    My wife used to watch all those inane situation comedies that always manage a happy ending. When I was home on weekends, she would watch things like the Good Times marathon. I got another TV and spent my weekends, when home and not out with the grandkids, in the back bedroom watching TV or on the computer. After retirement, that wife had to go. Now I rarely watch TV. I'm like you with a preference for History or Science, but they're even making those shows increasingly socialist. I haven't been able to watch PBS for about 40 years. Girlfriend asks how I cycle channels so quickly. I see the subspecies, I'm on to the next channel. Too bad it would be illegal to have an ORC free channel.

    If they get rid of TCM and MEtv, I’ll get rid of my tv. They are the closest thing to orc free channels.

    • Replies: @loren
    ask them how many graduate with a stem degree.
  93. It is embarrassing to be black. The only positive thing reported about blacks is that
    they can play basketball when they are not killing each other, selling drugs, or going to jail.

  94. @Radford
    You are correct. I participated in the local white support of the civil rights campaign in Birmingham, Alabama, in 1962 and 1963. I was in my late teens and accompanied my brother, who was a medical student, to meetings in the basement of the 16th Street Baptist Church (long before the bombing there), and also to meetings at a local Jewish medical school professor's home. I went with my brother not because of any commitment to civil rights on my part. I was neutral on the matter, but my brother had received death threats from the Klan and was being harassed by the Birmingham police. My thinking was that if I was with him perhaps the white radicals would not kill us both and my brother would be safer. I was later threatened with death by my college roommate for arguing that civil rights should be available to blacks, and my father was similarly threatened by a coworker. Our family was native to the South since 1630.

    The local proponents of desegregation were professional business leaders and academics. The opponents were car mechanics, truck drivers and miners (in one case, of a one-man shaft to a shallow seam of coal). The segregationists were not attractive people; mostly they were brutish. I believe that they were motivated by instinctive hatred. They could not make reasoned arguments against desegregation. During the mid-1960's I never heard anyone predict the catastrophic results that would follow from black enfranchisement. At that time, because of segregation and severe law enforcement, black anti-civilizational behavior was minimal. The results of the civil rights experiment could not be predicted so easily. Family life was the rule among blacks, drugs were not yet a source of chaos in their communities, no one understood that genetic determinism was a prudent intellectual stance, African colonies were just becoming self-ruled and had not then descended into the post-colonial dysfunction of today.

    In my opinion, the experiment of the last 60 years could not have been avoided. Most people embark upon marriage without a coherent evaluation of its prospects, and many divorce after they understand the dynamics of their situation. Whites did the marriage. Now it is time for the divorce.

    During the mid-1960’s I never heard anyone predict the catastrophic results that would follow from black enfranchisement. At that time, because of segregation and severe law enforcement, black anti-civilizational behavior was minimal. The results of the civil rights experiment could not be predicted so easily. Family life was the rule among blacks, drugs were not yet a source of chaos in their communities, no one understood that genetic determinism was a prudent intellectual stance, African colonies were just becoming self-ruled and had not then descended into the post-colonial dysfunction of today.

    Can’t add much to this eloquent post except that it mirrors my observations and evolution in thinking precisely.

  95. White Men are responsible. I can’t see the 6 million lies of AA / Beecham’s ARSEs!!!

  96. @Radford
    You are correct. I participated in the local white support of the civil rights campaign in Birmingham, Alabama, in 1962 and 1963. I was in my late teens and accompanied my brother, who was a medical student, to meetings in the basement of the 16th Street Baptist Church (long before the bombing there), and also to meetings at a local Jewish medical school professor's home. I went with my brother not because of any commitment to civil rights on my part. I was neutral on the matter, but my brother had received death threats from the Klan and was being harassed by the Birmingham police. My thinking was that if I was with him perhaps the white radicals would not kill us both and my brother would be safer. I was later threatened with death by my college roommate for arguing that civil rights should be available to blacks, and my father was similarly threatened by a coworker. Our family was native to the South since 1630.

    The local proponents of desegregation were professional business leaders and academics. The opponents were car mechanics, truck drivers and miners (in one case, of a one-man shaft to a shallow seam of coal). The segregationists were not attractive people; mostly they were brutish. I believe that they were motivated by instinctive hatred. They could not make reasoned arguments against desegregation. During the mid-1960's I never heard anyone predict the catastrophic results that would follow from black enfranchisement. At that time, because of segregation and severe law enforcement, black anti-civilizational behavior was minimal. The results of the civil rights experiment could not be predicted so easily. Family life was the rule among blacks, drugs were not yet a source of chaos in their communities, no one understood that genetic determinism was a prudent intellectual stance, African colonies were just becoming self-ruled and had not then descended into the post-colonial dysfunction of today.

    In my opinion, the experiment of the last 60 years could not have been avoided. Most people embark upon marriage without a coherent evaluation of its prospects, and many divorce after they understand the dynamics of their situation. Whites did the marriage. Now it is time for the divorce.

    Whites did the marriage. Now it is time for the divorce.

    Yours is an incredibly insightful comment and prescription.

  97. How Can We Blame This on the NRA & Whites?

    Easy. Remember Obama’s “yes, we can” campaign (followed by “no, we cannot” presidency)?

  98. @dc.sunsets
    About the only cable channel not COMPLETELY converged is Hallmark.

    Yes, their movies are essentially one long Romance Novel, re-affirming to every spinster that she may still find True Love when she (as a business woman, a chef, a lawyer, etc.) spontaneously is courted by two Uber-Alpha Males (often one was her first love from HS), but so far they've resisted the urge to make the pair Salt-and-Pepper. At least the movies are "G" rated, so I don't have to watch the bed-hopping softcore porn of NBC, CBS, ABC & FOX.

    Lifetime network is like Hallmark only with Black&White couples. (pukes-in-mouth.)

    So far, Hallmark's main bend to SJW Cargo-Cultism is that they feature the usual amount of Magic Negroes who are judges, CEO's, doctors, etc., and a sprinkling of their movies are now cut from BET.

    I suppose sooner or later Hallmark too will become like the rest, All Black All The Time (e.g., FOX network, with Empire and a host of other shows that tell me I already live in South Africa where 90% of the populace is black.) At least in the 1970's shows like The Jeffersons didn't try to sell me on the idea that Black Is Di-No-Mite.

    PS: Commercial TV makes no sense. All these Black shows with Black actors and Black culture and Black music...I simply don't believe for one second that the commercials shown yield even $10 in nationwide additional spending by blacks, whites, yellows or greens. Steve Sailer wrote that his firm proved decades ago that TV commercials do not induce any significant changes in consumption at all. Why does this industry then exist? What is it we are not told? Is this all just part of the MATRIX's attempt to play us like puppets on string?

    “Steve Sailer wrote that his firm proved decades ago that TV commercials do not induce any significant changes in consumption at all.”

    You mean the company that he worked for conduct research to lend credibility to an assertion. There are other notable studies that demonstrate that advertising does lead to “significant changes in consumption”.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2743554

    https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/sites/gsb/files/gardeteadvertising.pdf

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/8636084_Effect_of_Television_Advertisements_for_Foods_on_Food_Consumption_in_Children

  99. @Not Woke--Not Broke
    Realist--------- Females started voting in 1920 following the passage of the 19th Amendment. Women should have been registered for the Selective Service draft as a condition for that vote.No vote with out responsibility. Skin in the game.

    Women should have been registered for the Selective Service draft as a condition for that vote.No vote with out responsibility. Skin in the game.

    Perhaps, since we did have a draft at the time, but I am against the draft. Having a voluntary military is a crude form of Democracy. But I believe that all Democracies are doomed to fail…when idiots are allowed to vote, bad things happen. I am aware of the argument that we have a Republic, but a Republic is a Democracy wearing lipstick.

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    A "voluntary military" has the defect of
    1. Filling the ranks with careerists and throwbacks (employer of not-quite-last resort.)
    2. Shifting military to foreigners.

    The US military is increasingly made up of non-Americans (or "paperwork Americans.) A recent post at another blog noted how often in Officer Candidate School was heard "Well, in my country..." in other words, America is NOT the officer candidate's self-identified home nation.

    This is just another similarity of the USA today to late Roman Empire, when the Roman Legions were increasingly made up of the barbarian tribes Rome has conquered.

    That didn't work out so well, and ours won't either.

    The defect in the USA's military was that the nation took the path of empire over 120 years ago. It's been marching into disaster ever since.

    I didn't used to be a fan, but I now see the wisdom of Switzerland's system. A 400 year tradition of political non-intervention, a very strong veto over the central government by the regional cantons and required military service for everyone. Skin in the game matters.

    Sadly, the USA is already toast.
  100. @Realist

    Women should have been registered for the Selective Service draft as a condition for that vote.No vote with out responsibility. Skin in the game.
     
    Perhaps, since we did have a draft at the time, but I am against the draft. Having a voluntary military is a crude form of Democracy. But I believe that all Democracies are doomed to fail...when idiots are allowed to vote, bad things happen. I am aware of the argument that we have a Republic, but a Republic is a Democracy wearing lipstick.

    A “voluntary military” has the defect of
    1. Filling the ranks with careerists and throwbacks (employer of not-quite-last resort.)
    2. Shifting military to foreigners.

    The US military is increasingly made up of non-Americans (or “paperwork Americans.) A recent post at another blog noted how often in Officer Candidate School was heard “Well, in my country…” in other words, America is NOT the officer candidate’s self-identified home nation.

    This is just another similarity of the USA today to late Roman Empire, when the Roman Legions were increasingly made up of the barbarian tribes Rome has conquered.

    That didn’t work out so well, and ours won’t either.

    The defect in the USA’s military was that the nation took the path of empire over 120 years ago. It’s been marching into disaster ever since.

    I didn’t used to be a fan, but I now see the wisdom of Switzerland’s system. A 400 year tradition of political non-intervention, a very strong veto over the central government by the regional cantons and required military service for everyone. Skin in the game matters.

    Sadly, the USA is already toast.

    • Agree: Augustus, Sick 'n Tired
  101. @Radford
    You are correct. I participated in the local white support of the civil rights campaign in Birmingham, Alabama, in 1962 and 1963. I was in my late teens and accompanied my brother, who was a medical student, to meetings in the basement of the 16th Street Baptist Church (long before the bombing there), and also to meetings at a local Jewish medical school professor's home. I went with my brother not because of any commitment to civil rights on my part. I was neutral on the matter, but my brother had received death threats from the Klan and was being harassed by the Birmingham police. My thinking was that if I was with him perhaps the white radicals would not kill us both and my brother would be safer. I was later threatened with death by my college roommate for arguing that civil rights should be available to blacks, and my father was similarly threatened by a coworker. Our family was native to the South since 1630.

    The local proponents of desegregation were professional business leaders and academics. The opponents were car mechanics, truck drivers and miners (in one case, of a one-man shaft to a shallow seam of coal). The segregationists were not attractive people; mostly they were brutish. I believe that they were motivated by instinctive hatred. They could not make reasoned arguments against desegregation. During the mid-1960's I never heard anyone predict the catastrophic results that would follow from black enfranchisement. At that time, because of segregation and severe law enforcement, black anti-civilizational behavior was minimal. The results of the civil rights experiment could not be predicted so easily. Family life was the rule among blacks, drugs were not yet a source of chaos in their communities, no one understood that genetic determinism was a prudent intellectual stance, African colonies were just becoming self-ruled and had not then descended into the post-colonial dysfunction of today.

    In my opinion, the experiment of the last 60 years could not have been avoided. Most people embark upon marriage without a coherent evaluation of its prospects, and many divorce after they understand the dynamics of their situation. Whites did the marriage. Now it is time for the divorce.

    no one understood that genetic determinism was a prudent intellectual stance, African colonies were just becoming self-ruled and had not then descended into the post-colonial dysfunction of today.

    That’s because history and especially anthropology had been systematically re-written by a certain tribe, starting with (((Franz Boas))) and his horde of acolytes.  If you go back to 19th-century books like Negroes in Negroland you will see race realism aka genetic determinism in full bloom.  It took that generation dying off before the equalitarian myth could be put ahead of racial fact.

    The statements of Southerners like Robert E. Lee show just how much we were forced to forget:

    “… wherever you find the negro, everything is going down around him, and wherever you find a white man, you see everything around him improving.”

    And this is eerily prescient:

    “You will never prosper with blacks, and it is abhorrent to a reflecting mind to be supporting and cherishing those who are plotting and working for your injury, and all of whose sympathies and associations are antagonistic to yours.”

    The experiment has been run.  Freedom and “equal rights” failed.  It’s time for a divorce.

    • Agree: Augustus, brandybranch
    • Replies: @Oil 'n Water
    Integration was meant to showcase commonality, but in essence served only to emphasize differences. Deep, unchangeable differences.
    , @loren
    MAKE ME A LIST

    Boas
    Gould
    freud

    mead
  102. @Sick of Orcs

    We were warned
     
    We were insufficiently warned. Older generations were blindsided by howls for 'Sibble Rights.' No segregation proponent had facts about the color of crime (may not have existed then) and none publicly argued why orcs were segregated in the first place.

    Lots and lots of southern politicians and people tried to explain why they were segregated. Nobody wanted to listen.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Carleton Putnam wrote the definitive tract, Race and Reality, in 1961.

    Putnam was not some hick redneck bigot: he was the head of Delta Air Lines. The campaign of Dynamic Silence to which he was subject is in and of itself worthy of study. As is his background, education and general mode of professional and personal deportment.

    Simply put, his writing in 1961 has been utterly vindicated, to anyone who will actually read the book.

    Most people will not.
    , @Justvisiting

    Lots and lots of southern politicians and people tried to explain why they were segregated. Nobody wanted to listen.
     
    I was raised in the north--went to prep school in the 1960s and college in the early 1970s--and never was told _why_ the southerners were segregated. We were just told it was a holdover from the slavery days.

    I never saw a book on the subject and never heard it discussed.

    There was no Internet back then--and I wouldn't have even known where in the library to look for a book that talked about it.

    We didn't know what we didn't know.

    It was a lesson that (unfortunately) had to be learned the hard way.

  103. @Mr. Rational

    no one understood that genetic determinism was a prudent intellectual stance, African colonies were just becoming self-ruled and had not then descended into the post-colonial dysfunction of today.
     
    That's because history and especially anthropology had been systematically re-written by a certain tribe, starting with (((Franz Boas))) and his horde of acolytes.  If you go back to 19th-century books like Negroes in Negroland you will see race realism aka genetic determinism in full bloom.  It took that generation dying off before the equalitarian myth could be put ahead of racial fact.

    The statements of Southerners like Robert E. Lee show just how much we were forced to forget:

    "... wherever you find the negro, everything is going down around him, and wherever you find a white man, you see everything around him improving.”
     
    And this is eerily prescient:

    “You will never prosper with blacks, and it is abhorrent to a reflecting mind to be supporting and cherishing those who are plotting and working for your injury, and all of whose sympathies and associations are antagonistic to yours."
     
    The experiment has been run.  Freedom and "equal rights" failed.  It's time for a divorce.

    Integration was meant to showcase commonality, but in essence served only to emphasize differences. Deep, unchangeable differences.

    • Agree: Augustus
  104. @Radford
    You are correct. I participated in the local white support of the civil rights campaign in Birmingham, Alabama, in 1962 and 1963. I was in my late teens and accompanied my brother, who was a medical student, to meetings in the basement of the 16th Street Baptist Church (long before the bombing there), and also to meetings at a local Jewish medical school professor's home. I went with my brother not because of any commitment to civil rights on my part. I was neutral on the matter, but my brother had received death threats from the Klan and was being harassed by the Birmingham police. My thinking was that if I was with him perhaps the white radicals would not kill us both and my brother would be safer. I was later threatened with death by my college roommate for arguing that civil rights should be available to blacks, and my father was similarly threatened by a coworker. Our family was native to the South since 1630.

    The local proponents of desegregation were professional business leaders and academics. The opponents were car mechanics, truck drivers and miners (in one case, of a one-man shaft to a shallow seam of coal). The segregationists were not attractive people; mostly they were brutish. I believe that they were motivated by instinctive hatred. They could not make reasoned arguments against desegregation. During the mid-1960's I never heard anyone predict the catastrophic results that would follow from black enfranchisement. At that time, because of segregation and severe law enforcement, black anti-civilizational behavior was minimal. The results of the civil rights experiment could not be predicted so easily. Family life was the rule among blacks, drugs were not yet a source of chaos in their communities, no one understood that genetic determinism was a prudent intellectual stance, African colonies were just becoming self-ruled and had not then descended into the post-colonial dysfunction of today.

    In my opinion, the experiment of the last 60 years could not have been avoided. Most people embark upon marriage without a coherent evaluation of its prospects, and many divorce after they understand the dynamics of their situation. Whites did the marriage. Now it is time for the divorce.

    I believe that they were motivated by instinctive hatred.

    Deciding that you know best about other people’s motives leads to shoddy reasoning. People didn’t want to live around blacks then for the same reason they don’t want to now. Yes they were better behaved then than now, but the differences were still rather stark.

    The results of the civil rights experiment could not be predicted so easily.

    It could have been predicted and it was. It is just that northerners (and you apparently) weren’t listening. This is why segregation was in place. The people who put it in place didn’t wake up one day and for no reason at all and concoct segregation.

    Our family was native to the South since 1630.

    I don’t believe this. If your family has been in the south since the 1600’s, then they have lived around blacks and they were there during Reconstruction. Actually you said “native” to the South, as opposed to living in the South. Perhaps they’d moved up north and decided their ancestors were idiots for not loving blacks. Meanwhile, back in the South, blacks went apeshit during Reconstruction and plenty of southerners saw their nature up close and decided they didn’t like it very much and decided they didn’t want to live around them.

    I agree with the rest of your post, the divorce, etc.

    • Replies: @Radford
    "It could have been predicted and it was. It is just that northerners (and you apparently) weren’t listening. This is why segregation was in place. The people who put it in place didn’t wake up one day and for no reason at all and concoct segregation."

    Segregation was always a statewide policy, but there were regions of the South where blacks were a relatively small proportion of the population. See below. These same parts of the South resisted secession and Confederate authority: East Tennessee and Western North Carolina, Winston County Alabama, the Wiregrass region of southwest Alabama and the Florida panhandle. Segregation did not have the same urgency nor support in those places.

    " don’t believe this. If your family has been in the south since the 1600’s, then they have lived around blacks and they were there during Reconstruction. Actually you said “native” to the South, as opposed to living in the South. Perhaps they’d moved up north and decided their ancestors were idiots for not loving blacks."

    You are wrong. My family never lived in the North. The first ancestor arrived in 1630 on the Delmarva and subsequent generations of this line lived in Southside Virginia and then the Appalachians. The majority of my ancestry is Scots-Irish from the upland Carolinas and then the Cumberland Plateau of Alabama. None of these areas were characterized by plantation agriculture so blacks were few. You don't appear to know that the South was heterogeneous and not one massive plantation.

    Christianity was also taken seriously. About a hundred years ago a black man asked my grandfather if he thought blacks had souls because the black man had heard whites arguing that they did not. My grandfather advised him never to accept that but to hew to a Christian path. Your knowledge also seems deficient regarding the degree to which white and black communities were interconnected in the upland South. There is a genre of black music from the Carolinas call "Piedmont Blues" that is much more upbeat and European-styled than the more widely known African-based Delta Blues.

    If you are a native Southerner, then I assume that you are from the Deep South of middle and eastern Carolina, or central and southern Georgia, or south Alabama or Mississippi, where plantation agriculture dominated. You then have no perspective on the social conditions and inter-racial interactions in the Appalachian South. I live now in the small old plantation belt of north Florida. When I first arrived here, I realized quickly that I liked descendants of the Scots-Irish Appalachian yeomen farmers much better than descendants of slaveholders in the plantation belt. One reason is that the greed of the slaveholders caused this problem, and a considerable arrogance consistent with their erstwhile economic system still exists in their descendants.
  105. @Not Woke--Not Broke
    Meh, as long as Blacks keep in 'da hood while keeping it real, i just don't care. Just like Baltimore,i don't care if it's 300 murders or 30000 murders. Shots ringing out are not a problem.I don't care if they mortar each other.

    Just like Baltimore,i don’t care if it’s 300 murders or 30000 murders.

    I care. 30,000 would begin to make a dent in the problem.

    • Agree: brandybranch
  106. @Radford
    You are correct. I participated in the local white support of the civil rights campaign in Birmingham, Alabama, in 1962 and 1963. I was in my late teens and accompanied my brother, who was a medical student, to meetings in the basement of the 16th Street Baptist Church (long before the bombing there), and also to meetings at a local Jewish medical school professor's home. I went with my brother not because of any commitment to civil rights on my part. I was neutral on the matter, but my brother had received death threats from the Klan and was being harassed by the Birmingham police. My thinking was that if I was with him perhaps the white radicals would not kill us both and my brother would be safer. I was later threatened with death by my college roommate for arguing that civil rights should be available to blacks, and my father was similarly threatened by a coworker. Our family was native to the South since 1630.

    The local proponents of desegregation were professional business leaders and academics. The opponents were car mechanics, truck drivers and miners (in one case, of a one-man shaft to a shallow seam of coal). The segregationists were not attractive people; mostly they were brutish. I believe that they were motivated by instinctive hatred. They could not make reasoned arguments against desegregation. During the mid-1960's I never heard anyone predict the catastrophic results that would follow from black enfranchisement. At that time, because of segregation and severe law enforcement, black anti-civilizational behavior was minimal. The results of the civil rights experiment could not be predicted so easily. Family life was the rule among blacks, drugs were not yet a source of chaos in their communities, no one understood that genetic determinism was a prudent intellectual stance, African colonies were just becoming self-ruled and had not then descended into the post-colonial dysfunction of today.

    In my opinion, the experiment of the last 60 years could not have been avoided. Most people embark upon marriage without a coherent evaluation of its prospects, and many divorce after they understand the dynamics of their situation. Whites did the marriage. Now it is time for the divorce.

    African colonies were just becoming self-ruled and had not then descended into the post-colonial dysfunction of today.

    In my opinion, the experiment of the last 60 years could not have been avoided.

    Nonsense. The descent into chaos was instantaneous, in every case. Ghana, Congo, Uganda, Kenya, Tanzania, Zambia, Angola, Mozambique… one by one, the same story every time. But, “This time it will be different”. And it never was different. It was obvious to anybody who would look. Many people sounded warnings. None was heeded.

    There was a documentary film by an Italian crew called Africa Addio that recorded the process. It’s on Youtube. Watch it, if you have a strong stomach.

    Don’t tell me “Nobody warned us”.

    • Replies: @Radford
    Your timeline is incorrect and therefore so is your assertion that Africa provided massive evidence regarding desegregation. The debate about desegregation took place between 1960 and 1964. The Civil Rights Act ended the matter in 1964. Africa Addio , which contained some staged scenes (Boers back-trekking from Kenya to South Africa in wagons in the 1960's, please), was released in 1966. Mozambique gained independence in 1975, Angola in 1974.

    Tanzania did not fall into chaos. From Wikipedia: "Following Tanganyika's independence and unification with Zanzibar leading to the state of Tanzania, President Nyerere emphasised a need to construct a national identity for the citizens of the new country. To achieve this, Nyerere provided what is regarded as one of the most successful cases of ethnic repression and identity transformation in Africa.[45] With over 130 languages spoken within its territory, Tanzania is one of the most ethnically diverse countries in Africa. Despite this obstacle, ethnic divisions remained rare in Tanzania when compared to the rest of the continent, notably its immediate neighbour, Kenya. Furthermore, since its independence, Tanzania has displayed more political stability than most African countries, particularly due to Nyerere's ethnic repression methods."

    The thing that convinced middle-class whites that black dysfunction is serious was the fate of cities like Detroit, and that fate took decades to fully work itself out.

    Even if early race realists had access to an internet megaphone, why do you believe that would have made any difference? Neither you nor I want Mexicans coming across the border, yet more come everyday.

  107. @William Badwhite

    I believe that they were motivated by instinctive hatred.
     
    Deciding that you know best about other people's motives leads to shoddy reasoning. People didn't want to live around blacks then for the same reason they don't want to now. Yes they were better behaved then than now, but the differences were still rather stark.

    The results of the civil rights experiment could not be predicted so easily.
     
    It could have been predicted and it was. It is just that northerners (and you apparently) weren't listening. This is why segregation was in place. The people who put it in place didn't wake up one day and for no reason at all and concoct segregation.

    Our family was native to the South since 1630.
     
    I don't believe this. If your family has been in the south since the 1600's, then they have lived around blacks and they were there during Reconstruction. Actually you said "native" to the South, as opposed to living in the South. Perhaps they'd moved up north and decided their ancestors were idiots for not loving blacks. Meanwhile, back in the South, blacks went apeshit during Reconstruction and plenty of southerners saw their nature up close and decided they didn't like it very much and decided they didn't want to live around them.

    I agree with the rest of your post, the divorce, etc.

    “It could have been predicted and it was. It is just that northerners (and you apparently) weren’t listening. This is why segregation was in place. The people who put it in place didn’t wake up one day and for no reason at all and concoct segregation.”

    Segregation was always a statewide policy, but there were regions of the South where blacks were a relatively small proportion of the population. See below. These same parts of the South resisted secession and Confederate authority: East Tennessee and Western North Carolina, Winston County Alabama, the Wiregrass region of southwest Alabama and the Florida panhandle. Segregation did not have the same urgency nor support in those places.

    ” don’t believe this. If your family has been in the south since the 1600’s, then they have lived around blacks and they were there during Reconstruction. Actually you said “native” to the South, as opposed to living in the South. Perhaps they’d moved up north and decided their ancestors were idiots for not loving blacks.”

    You are wrong. My family never lived in the North. The first ancestor arrived in 1630 on the Delmarva and subsequent generations of this line lived in Southside Virginia and then the Appalachians. The majority of my ancestry is Scots-Irish from the upland Carolinas and then the Cumberland Plateau of Alabama. None of these areas were characterized by plantation agriculture so blacks were few. You don’t appear to know that the South was heterogeneous and not one massive plantation.

    Christianity was also taken seriously. About a hundred years ago a black man asked my grandfather if he thought blacks had souls because the black man had heard whites arguing that they did not. My grandfather advised him never to accept that but to hew to a Christian path. Your knowledge also seems deficient regarding the degree to which white and black communities were interconnected in the upland South. There is a genre of black music from the Carolinas call “Piedmont Blues” that is much more upbeat and European-styled than the more widely known African-based Delta Blues.

    If you are a native Southerner, then I assume that you are from the Deep South of middle and eastern Carolina, or central and southern Georgia, or south Alabama or Mississippi, where plantation agriculture dominated. You then have no perspective on the social conditions and inter-racial interactions in the Appalachian South. I live now in the small old plantation belt of north Florida. When I first arrived here, I realized quickly that I liked descendants of the Scots-Irish Appalachian yeomen farmers much better than descendants of slaveholders in the plantation belt. One reason is that the greed of the slaveholders caused this problem, and a considerable arrogance consistent with their erstwhile economic system still exists in their descendants.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite

    You don’t appear to know that the South was heterogeneous and not one massive plantation

     

    Your combination of naivete and arrogance is irritating. You don't appear to know that Southerners had the ability to travel from Point A to Point B at times, thus even if they lived in an area with few blacks, would have at times been in areas that did have blacks and talked to the people that lived there. Educated people that were paying attention were well aware of the differences between whites and blacks. Perhaps your ancestors couldn't read or just stayed in the hollers.

    then I assume that you are from the Deep South of middle and eastern Carolina, or central and southern Georgia, or south Alabama or Mississippi, where plantation agriculture dominated.
     
    Family is from Virginia, North Carolina, and Tennessee since before the Revolution.

    from the upland Carolinas and then the Cumberland Plateau of Alabama. None of these areas were characterized by plantation agriculture so blacks were few
     
    The fact that you and your ancestors appear to have remained oblivious to the nature of blacks does not counter my assertion that other people did know of this nature and could have foreseen the results of the "civil rights" era. I'm glad you're now onboard with what lots and lots of people knew would happen 60+ years ago. Better late than never.

    From your original post:


    I never heard anyone predict the catastrophic results that would follow from black enfranchisement
     
    It does not follow that one person's ignorance means that everyone was similarly ignorant. The fact that you personally did not know what would happen does not mean that nobody knew.
  108. @Radford
    "It could have been predicted and it was. It is just that northerners (and you apparently) weren’t listening. This is why segregation was in place. The people who put it in place didn’t wake up one day and for no reason at all and concoct segregation."

    Segregation was always a statewide policy, but there were regions of the South where blacks were a relatively small proportion of the population. See below. These same parts of the South resisted secession and Confederate authority: East Tennessee and Western North Carolina, Winston County Alabama, the Wiregrass region of southwest Alabama and the Florida panhandle. Segregation did not have the same urgency nor support in those places.

    " don’t believe this. If your family has been in the south since the 1600’s, then they have lived around blacks and they were there during Reconstruction. Actually you said “native” to the South, as opposed to living in the South. Perhaps they’d moved up north and decided their ancestors were idiots for not loving blacks."

    You are wrong. My family never lived in the North. The first ancestor arrived in 1630 on the Delmarva and subsequent generations of this line lived in Southside Virginia and then the Appalachians. The majority of my ancestry is Scots-Irish from the upland Carolinas and then the Cumberland Plateau of Alabama. None of these areas were characterized by plantation agriculture so blacks were few. You don't appear to know that the South was heterogeneous and not one massive plantation.

    Christianity was also taken seriously. About a hundred years ago a black man asked my grandfather if he thought blacks had souls because the black man had heard whites arguing that they did not. My grandfather advised him never to accept that but to hew to a Christian path. Your knowledge also seems deficient regarding the degree to which white and black communities were interconnected in the upland South. There is a genre of black music from the Carolinas call "Piedmont Blues" that is much more upbeat and European-styled than the more widely known African-based Delta Blues.

    If you are a native Southerner, then I assume that you are from the Deep South of middle and eastern Carolina, or central and southern Georgia, or south Alabama or Mississippi, where plantation agriculture dominated. You then have no perspective on the social conditions and inter-racial interactions in the Appalachian South. I live now in the small old plantation belt of north Florida. When I first arrived here, I realized quickly that I liked descendants of the Scots-Irish Appalachian yeomen farmers much better than descendants of slaveholders in the plantation belt. One reason is that the greed of the slaveholders caused this problem, and a considerable arrogance consistent with their erstwhile economic system still exists in their descendants.

    You don’t appear to know that the South was heterogeneous and not one massive plantation

    Your combination of naivete and arrogance is irritating. You don’t appear to know that Southerners had the ability to travel from Point A to Point B at times, thus even if they lived in an area with few blacks, would have at times been in areas that did have blacks and talked to the people that lived there. Educated people that were paying attention were well aware of the differences between whites and blacks. Perhaps your ancestors couldn’t read or just stayed in the hollers.

    then I assume that you are from the Deep South of middle and eastern Carolina, or central and southern Georgia, or south Alabama or Mississippi, where plantation agriculture dominated.

    Family is from Virginia, North Carolina, and Tennessee since before the Revolution.

    from the upland Carolinas and then the Cumberland Plateau of Alabama. None of these areas were characterized by plantation agriculture so blacks were few

    The fact that you and your ancestors appear to have remained oblivious to the nature of blacks does not counter my assertion that other people did know of this nature and could have foreseen the results of the “civil rights” era. I’m glad you’re now onboard with what lots and lots of people knew would happen 60+ years ago. Better late than never.

    From your original post:

    I never heard anyone predict the catastrophic results that would follow from black enfranchisement

    It does not follow that one person’s ignorance means that everyone was similarly ignorant. The fact that you personally did not know what would happen does not mean that nobody knew.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Radford
    Your inability to think with subtlety could be irritating, but as an educator I long ago developed patience with that.

    If there had been a referendum in the South in 1962 as to whether to desegregate, obviously the vote would have been "No" and I am reasonably sure that my parents would have voted that way. I might have as well. However, what happened in my case and in my father's case is that loud-mouthed SOBs got in our faces when we tried to discuss the issue in rational and moral terms, and then they threatened us with violence. Not exactly the way to win hearts and minds, eh.

    Secondly, your claim that the outcome was all too obvious is 20-20-hindsight bullshit. You didn't know that welfare would be granted to fund black baby production. You didn't know that the sexual revolution would occur. You didn't know that affirmative action would be instituted. You didn't know that Section 8 would be instituted. You didn't know that semi-autos would replace Saturday night specials. You didn't know that smoking cocaine as "crack" would make it more addictive. You didn't know that your sainted white population would become druggies and fund empires of black criminals in the process.

    Do a thought experiment. Ask yourself whether desegregation could have been relatively benign if all the other changes I list above had not occurred. There are plenty of middle-class blacks with stable families and incomes not derived from government jobs. The problem is the lower half of the black IQ distribution who were susceptible to the changes above, and who you apparently believe constitute the entire black population. You paint blacks with such a broad brush that it makes me think that your problem is that you can't afford White Flight. If your black neighbors are too obnoxious, I've heard that Southerners can move from Point A to Point B.
  109. @William Badwhite

    You don’t appear to know that the South was heterogeneous and not one massive plantation

     

    Your combination of naivete and arrogance is irritating. You don't appear to know that Southerners had the ability to travel from Point A to Point B at times, thus even if they lived in an area with few blacks, would have at times been in areas that did have blacks and talked to the people that lived there. Educated people that were paying attention were well aware of the differences between whites and blacks. Perhaps your ancestors couldn't read or just stayed in the hollers.

    then I assume that you are from the Deep South of middle and eastern Carolina, or central and southern Georgia, or south Alabama or Mississippi, where plantation agriculture dominated.
     
    Family is from Virginia, North Carolina, and Tennessee since before the Revolution.

    from the upland Carolinas and then the Cumberland Plateau of Alabama. None of these areas were characterized by plantation agriculture so blacks were few
     
    The fact that you and your ancestors appear to have remained oblivious to the nature of blacks does not counter my assertion that other people did know of this nature and could have foreseen the results of the "civil rights" era. I'm glad you're now onboard with what lots and lots of people knew would happen 60+ years ago. Better late than never.

    From your original post:


    I never heard anyone predict the catastrophic results that would follow from black enfranchisement
     
    It does not follow that one person's ignorance means that everyone was similarly ignorant. The fact that you personally did not know what would happen does not mean that nobody knew.

    Your inability to think with subtlety could be irritating, but as an educator I long ago developed patience with that.

    If there had been a referendum in the South in 1962 as to whether to desegregate, obviously the vote would have been “No” and I am reasonably sure that my parents would have voted that way. I might have as well. However, what happened in my case and in my father’s case is that loud-mouthed SOBs got in our faces when we tried to discuss the issue in rational and moral terms, and then they threatened us with violence. Not exactly the way to win hearts and minds, eh.

    Secondly, your claim that the outcome was all too obvious is 20-20-hindsight bullshit. You didn’t know that welfare would be granted to fund black baby production. You didn’t know that the sexual revolution would occur. You didn’t know that affirmative action would be instituted. You didn’t know that Section 8 would be instituted. You didn’t know that semi-autos would replace Saturday night specials. You didn’t know that smoking cocaine as “crack” would make it more addictive. You didn’t know that your sainted white population would become druggies and fund empires of black criminals in the process.

    Do a thought experiment. Ask yourself whether desegregation could have been relatively benign if all the other changes I list above had not occurred. There are plenty of middle-class blacks with stable families and incomes not derived from government jobs. The problem is the lower half of the black IQ distribution who were susceptible to the changes above, and who you apparently believe constitute the entire black population. You paint blacks with such a broad brush that it makes me think that your problem is that you can’t afford White Flight. If your black neighbors are too obnoxious, I’ve heard that Southerners can move from Point A to Point B.

    • Replies: @Not Woke--Not Broke
    Radford-----The proper question is not whether or not some Blacks are an asset to the country.The real question is are Blacks,as a people,more trouble than they are worth? The talented 10th could be be a combination of Albert Einstein and Mother Teresa.They still wouldn't make up for the damage caused by the brainless 90%. Let them be all they can be-----somewhere else,anywhere else.
    , @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    I appreciate your level headed, common sense approach in this debate.

    It seems that all too often, the people in this debate are just like the meatheads you were describing back in the 1960s. We need an honest, open, rational, and calm discussion about these types of racial issues - particularly sensitive ones such as the merits of segregation.
    , @Mr. Rational

    If your black neighbors are too obnoxious, I’ve heard that Southerners can move from Point A to Point B.
     
    That is only a real solution if the blacks are prevented from following.
    , @William Badwhite

    Secondly, your claim that the outcome was all too obvious is 20-20-hindsight bullshit...You didn’t know that smoking cocaine as “crack” would make it more addictive.
     
    Of course I didn't know the specific developments you cite. Nobody did and nobody needed to. It was enough to see the behavior of blacks in the South from 1865 to the end of Reconstruction. If you needed further evidence you could have looked at Haiti, Jamaica, and all of sub-Saharan Africa (ex the part run by white people, since destroyed by blacks). You could have read Jefferson on the topic, or read Thomas Dixon's trilogy and ask yourself if his novels are fantasy or more reality-based. Again, as I've said before, your personal ignorance of a topic does not mean that everyone was ignorant.

    You didn’t know that your sainted white population would become druggies and fund empires of black criminals in the process.
     
    I never said anything about a "sainted white population". I countered your assertion that nobody knew what would happened after forced integration because you personally did not know. Your need to personalize things leads me to believe you are a woman. Which is fine, I'm glad you're here and as I said before, I'm glad you've come around to what people knew 60+ years ago. Try to calm down though - Ad Hominem is a logical fallacy.

    Do a thought experiment. Ask yourself whether desegregation could have been relatively benign if all the other changes I list above had not occurred.
     
    It would certainly have been relatively less bad, but still would have led to a decline of civilization. Simply observing blacks as a group anywhere they reside is evidence enough. As an aside, desegregation is less of an issue than is forced integration.

    makes me think that your problem is that you can’t afford White Flight. If your black neighbors are too obnoxious, I’ve heard that Southerners can move from Point A to Point B.
     
    More ad hominem and further evidence you are female - think only about yourself and then assume everyone thinks this way. I live in a town that is 3% black. My problem is not that I personally can't afford "White Flight”, I can. My problem is that other whites can't and that White Flight is necessary in the first place.

    If your black neighbors are too obnoxious, I’ve heard that Southerners can move from Point A to Point B.
     
    What if the blacks follow? Why should whites be forced to move from their homes and civilization they built? Seems easier and more just to simply deal with the problem.

    In your original post you write “The local proponents of desegregation were professional business leaders and academics. The opponents were car mechanics, truck drivers and miners”. Perhaps this sort of arrogance is why you didn’t know? A car mechanic provides far more to society than an "academic". You should consider the possibility that “professional business leaders and academics” don’t know everything.

    Later you wrote “During the mid-1960’s I never heard anyone predict the catastrophic results that would follow from black enfranchisement” Perhaps this is because you were unwilling to listen to “car mechanics, truck drivers, and miners”? As I've said several times now, it does not logically follow that because you did not know something, that nobody knew. Open your mind woman.

    , @Alden
    When I was growing up in SanFranciso blacks were between 7 and 10% of the population. San Francisco was never, ever segregated.

    Yet they were dangerous and raucous. From about 1950 on that small population committed most of the crime and their savage yout destroyed 2 high schools, Balboa and Polytechnic. By 1970 blacks committed over 95% of the crimes in the county.

    They also committed almost all the child abuse in the county. It’s hard for non blacks to realize the way blacks raise their children. It seems to be just beat burn screech and rape. If momma’s boyfriends don’t get the 12 year old girls pregnant the girl’s brothers, full and half sibs do the job.

    They destroyed several entire neighborhoods. They literally and actually took over several of those neighborhoods by force violence and terrorism in the late 1940s and 1950s. They destroyed western addition Fillmore an area of drop dead gorgeous 1880s pre earthquake homes. They made the bus system a nightmare.

    All this happened long before desegregation, the crack epidemic extended generous welfare and all the things you blame black criminality and disfunction on.

    I was a probation officer. By the early 1980s, after 15 years of affirmative action I couldn’t help but notice that many mammas of the 18-30 year old criminals were affirmative action government workers.

    If you’ve ever worked with black women you would have noticed that they spend a great deal of their time dealing with their sons arrests, court hearings, parole hearings etc. listen to them on Monday mornings talking about their weekends. Where do they spend weekends? Visiting their baby daddies, boyfriends and sons in county jail or a nearby state prison.

    Blacks were a destructive force long before those things you mentioned. Just look at their children on buses, waiting for buses, MacDonald’s libraries, playgrounds wherever they go.

  110. Stop trying to apply logic to this.

    The press and the politicians run solely on raw emotion. They whip up the ignorant masses into a frenzy and guide them toward correcting non-existent problems.

    Rank and file know who is behind it all. Idiots and hand-wringers are the ones who push policy.

    The answer has something to do with rope, I’m told.

    Is treason still punishable by death?

  111. @AnalogMan

    African colonies were just becoming self-ruled and had not then descended into the post-colonial dysfunction of today.

    In my opinion, the experiment of the last 60 years could not have been avoided.
     
    Nonsense. The descent into chaos was instantaneous, in every case. Ghana, Congo, Uganda, Kenya, Tanzania, Zambia, Angola, Mozambique... one by one, the same story every time. But, "This time it will be different". And it never was different. It was obvious to anybody who would look. Many people sounded warnings. None was heeded.

    There was a documentary film by an Italian crew called Africa Addio that recorded the process. It's on Youtube. Watch it, if you have a strong stomach.

    Don't tell me "Nobody warned us".

    Your timeline is incorrect and therefore so is your assertion that Africa provided massive evidence regarding desegregation. The debate about desegregation took place between 1960 and 1964. The Civil Rights Act ended the matter in 1964. Africa Addio , which contained some staged scenes (Boers back-trekking from Kenya to South Africa in wagons in the 1960’s, please), was released in 1966. Mozambique gained independence in 1975, Angola in 1974.

    Tanzania did not fall into chaos. From Wikipedia: “Following Tanganyika’s independence and unification with Zanzibar leading to the state of Tanzania, President Nyerere emphasised a need to construct a national identity for the citizens of the new country. To achieve this, Nyerere provided what is regarded as one of the most successful cases of ethnic repression and identity transformation in Africa.[45] With over 130 languages spoken within its territory, Tanzania is one of the most ethnically diverse countries in Africa. Despite this obstacle, ethnic divisions remained rare in Tanzania when compared to the rest of the continent, notably its immediate neighbour, Kenya. Furthermore, since its independence, Tanzania has displayed more political stability than most African countries, particularly due to Nyerere’s ethnic repression methods.”

    The thing that convinced middle-class whites that black dysfunction is serious was the fate of cities like Detroit, and that fate took decades to fully work itself out.

    Even if early race realists had access to an internet megaphone, why do you believe that would have made any difference? Neither you nor I want Mexicans coming across the border, yet more come everyday.

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets

    Even if early race realists had access to an internet megaphone, why do you believe that would have made any difference? Neither you nor I want Mexicans coming across the border, yet more come everyday.
     
    Moar Immigration has been stuffed down our throats for 54 years. Never once was there a majoritarian consensus favoring more immigration. It got way worse in the early '80's when the credit bubble began to inflate and flooding the country with labor was part of the means of hiding the largest monetary inflation in history this side of Zimbabwe.

    We are ruled by demons.

    When this Era ends, I sincerely hope that some of those architects are still around and their necks find suitable nooses. We can always hang those in the Chamber of Commerce who funded campaigns (aka bribed politicians) to dump the world's job-seekers on our heads.

    , @AnalogMan

    Your timeline is incorrect and therefore so is your assertion that Africa provided massive evidence regarding desegregation. The debate about desegregation took place between 1960 and 1964. The Civil Rights Act ended the matter in 1964.
     
    "What we have here is a failure to communicate".

    We see this process from different perspectives. You have the typical American view of America as the world. I lived most of my life in South Africa. I saw that whole process of decolonization in real time. Of the examples I mentioned, Ghana (1957), Congo (1960), Tanzania (1961), Uganda (1963), Kenya (1963) and Zambia (1964), plus many others that I didn't mention, all became independent and crashed and burned ... immediately. You had plenty of warnings before the Civil Rights Act "ended the matter in 1964" for you. The nightmare continued for us in Africa.

    But, of course, it was that unpleasantness in the 1860s that pretty much ended the matter for you. When you gave the vote to creatures that have little in common with people like us.


    Your inability to think with subtlety could be irritating, but as an educator I long ago developed patience with that.
     
    Ah, an academic. That further clarifies that "different perspectives" thing.

    Back when I was much younger, I worked for an oil company in Cape Town that arranged for the University of Cape Town to present a "management development" program to a group of its employees. In an economics module, the lecturer was full of praise for the "African Socialism" of President Julius Nyerere of Tanzania.

    Now, I was puzzled, because Tanzania was a basket case. So I asked him: "My understanding is that his system has been a failure; have I got it wrong?"

    He replied, "A failure in what terms?"

    I said, "In terms of feeding his people."

    He said, "Oh, well, in that respect...".

    The academic perspective. It's subtle, don't you know.

  112. @Radford
    Your inability to think with subtlety could be irritating, but as an educator I long ago developed patience with that.

    If there had been a referendum in the South in 1962 as to whether to desegregate, obviously the vote would have been "No" and I am reasonably sure that my parents would have voted that way. I might have as well. However, what happened in my case and in my father's case is that loud-mouthed SOBs got in our faces when we tried to discuss the issue in rational and moral terms, and then they threatened us with violence. Not exactly the way to win hearts and minds, eh.

    Secondly, your claim that the outcome was all too obvious is 20-20-hindsight bullshit. You didn't know that welfare would be granted to fund black baby production. You didn't know that the sexual revolution would occur. You didn't know that affirmative action would be instituted. You didn't know that Section 8 would be instituted. You didn't know that semi-autos would replace Saturday night specials. You didn't know that smoking cocaine as "crack" would make it more addictive. You didn't know that your sainted white population would become druggies and fund empires of black criminals in the process.

    Do a thought experiment. Ask yourself whether desegregation could have been relatively benign if all the other changes I list above had not occurred. There are plenty of middle-class blacks with stable families and incomes not derived from government jobs. The problem is the lower half of the black IQ distribution who were susceptible to the changes above, and who you apparently believe constitute the entire black population. You paint blacks with such a broad brush that it makes me think that your problem is that you can't afford White Flight. If your black neighbors are too obnoxious, I've heard that Southerners can move from Point A to Point B.

    Radford—–The proper question is not whether or not some Blacks are an asset to the country.The real question is are Blacks,as a people,more trouble than they are worth? The talented 10th could be be a combination of Albert Einstein and Mother Teresa.They still wouldn’t make up for the damage caused by the brainless 90%. Let them be all they can be—–somewhere else,anywhere else.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational, Alden
  113. @Radford
    Your timeline is incorrect and therefore so is your assertion that Africa provided massive evidence regarding desegregation. The debate about desegregation took place between 1960 and 1964. The Civil Rights Act ended the matter in 1964. Africa Addio , which contained some staged scenes (Boers back-trekking from Kenya to South Africa in wagons in the 1960's, please), was released in 1966. Mozambique gained independence in 1975, Angola in 1974.

    Tanzania did not fall into chaos. From Wikipedia: "Following Tanganyika's independence and unification with Zanzibar leading to the state of Tanzania, President Nyerere emphasised a need to construct a national identity for the citizens of the new country. To achieve this, Nyerere provided what is regarded as one of the most successful cases of ethnic repression and identity transformation in Africa.[45] With over 130 languages spoken within its territory, Tanzania is one of the most ethnically diverse countries in Africa. Despite this obstacle, ethnic divisions remained rare in Tanzania when compared to the rest of the continent, notably its immediate neighbour, Kenya. Furthermore, since its independence, Tanzania has displayed more political stability than most African countries, particularly due to Nyerere's ethnic repression methods."

    The thing that convinced middle-class whites that black dysfunction is serious was the fate of cities like Detroit, and that fate took decades to fully work itself out.

    Even if early race realists had access to an internet megaphone, why do you believe that would have made any difference? Neither you nor I want Mexicans coming across the border, yet more come everyday.

    Even if early race realists had access to an internet megaphone, why do you believe that would have made any difference? Neither you nor I want Mexicans coming across the border, yet more come everyday.

    Moar Immigration has been stuffed down our throats for 54 years. Never once was there a majoritarian consensus favoring more immigration. It got way worse in the early ’80’s when the credit bubble began to inflate and flooding the country with labor was part of the means of hiding the largest monetary inflation in history this side of Zimbabwe.

    We are ruled by demons.

    When this Era ends, I sincerely hope that some of those architects are still around and their necks find suitable nooses. We can always hang those in the Chamber of Commerce who funded campaigns (aka bribed politicians) to dump the world’s job-seekers on our heads.

  114. @Love Street
    I bet BRA officials and thier underlings are probably 99.9 pc guilty of some scheme or scam but haven’t been busted yet.

    I’d be willing to bet that “this one” is a bit over your head.

  115. @Gunga Din
    If they get rid of TCM and MEtv, I'll get rid of my tv. They are the closest thing to orc free channels.

    ask them how many graduate with a stem degree.

  116. @Mr. Rational

    no one understood that genetic determinism was a prudent intellectual stance, African colonies were just becoming self-ruled and had not then descended into the post-colonial dysfunction of today.
     
    That's because history and especially anthropology had been systematically re-written by a certain tribe, starting with (((Franz Boas))) and his horde of acolytes.  If you go back to 19th-century books like Negroes in Negroland you will see race realism aka genetic determinism in full bloom.  It took that generation dying off before the equalitarian myth could be put ahead of racial fact.

    The statements of Southerners like Robert E. Lee show just how much we were forced to forget:

    "... wherever you find the negro, everything is going down around him, and wherever you find a white man, you see everything around him improving.”
     
    And this is eerily prescient:

    “You will never prosper with blacks, and it is abhorrent to a reflecting mind to be supporting and cherishing those who are plotting and working for your injury, and all of whose sympathies and associations are antagonistic to yours."
     
    The experiment has been run.  Freedom and "equal rights" failed.  It's time for a divorce.

    MAKE ME A LIST

    Boas
    Gould
    freud

    mead

  117. @Radford
    You are correct. I participated in the local white support of the civil rights campaign in Birmingham, Alabama, in 1962 and 1963. I was in my late teens and accompanied my brother, who was a medical student, to meetings in the basement of the 16th Street Baptist Church (long before the bombing there), and also to meetings at a local Jewish medical school professor's home. I went with my brother not because of any commitment to civil rights on my part. I was neutral on the matter, but my brother had received death threats from the Klan and was being harassed by the Birmingham police. My thinking was that if I was with him perhaps the white radicals would not kill us both and my brother would be safer. I was later threatened with death by my college roommate for arguing that civil rights should be available to blacks, and my father was similarly threatened by a coworker. Our family was native to the South since 1630.

    The local proponents of desegregation were professional business leaders and academics. The opponents were car mechanics, truck drivers and miners (in one case, of a one-man shaft to a shallow seam of coal). The segregationists were not attractive people; mostly they were brutish. I believe that they were motivated by instinctive hatred. They could not make reasoned arguments against desegregation. During the mid-1960's I never heard anyone predict the catastrophic results that would follow from black enfranchisement. At that time, because of segregation and severe law enforcement, black anti-civilizational behavior was minimal. The results of the civil rights experiment could not be predicted so easily. Family life was the rule among blacks, drugs were not yet a source of chaos in their communities, no one understood that genetic determinism was a prudent intellectual stance, African colonies were just becoming self-ruled and had not then descended into the post-colonial dysfunction of today.

    In my opinion, the experiment of the last 60 years could not have been avoided. Most people embark upon marriage without a coherent evaluation of its prospects, and many divorce after they understand the dynamics of their situation. Whites did the marriage. Now it is time for the divorce.

    Excellent comment, my friend, with a good story to boot.

    The local proponents of desegregation were professional business leaders and academics.

    Isn’t is weird how those pushing integration are the least likely to be around Blacks? Or if there are Blacks in their spheres, it’s only the “Talented 1/1000th” whom other Blacks hate and call “Oreos.”

  118. @Radford
    Your timeline is incorrect and therefore so is your assertion that Africa provided massive evidence regarding desegregation. The debate about desegregation took place between 1960 and 1964. The Civil Rights Act ended the matter in 1964. Africa Addio , which contained some staged scenes (Boers back-trekking from Kenya to South Africa in wagons in the 1960's, please), was released in 1966. Mozambique gained independence in 1975, Angola in 1974.

    Tanzania did not fall into chaos. From Wikipedia: "Following Tanganyika's independence and unification with Zanzibar leading to the state of Tanzania, President Nyerere emphasised a need to construct a national identity for the citizens of the new country. To achieve this, Nyerere provided what is regarded as one of the most successful cases of ethnic repression and identity transformation in Africa.[45] With over 130 languages spoken within its territory, Tanzania is one of the most ethnically diverse countries in Africa. Despite this obstacle, ethnic divisions remained rare in Tanzania when compared to the rest of the continent, notably its immediate neighbour, Kenya. Furthermore, since its independence, Tanzania has displayed more political stability than most African countries, particularly due to Nyerere's ethnic repression methods."

    The thing that convinced middle-class whites that black dysfunction is serious was the fate of cities like Detroit, and that fate took decades to fully work itself out.

    Even if early race realists had access to an internet megaphone, why do you believe that would have made any difference? Neither you nor I want Mexicans coming across the border, yet more come everyday.

    Your timeline is incorrect and therefore so is your assertion that Africa provided massive evidence regarding desegregation. The debate about desegregation took place between 1960 and 1964. The Civil Rights Act ended the matter in 1964.

    “What we have here is a failure to communicate”.

    We see this process from different perspectives. You have the typical American view of America as the world. I lived most of my life in South Africa. I saw that whole process of decolonization in real time. Of the examples I mentioned, Ghana (1957), Congo (1960), Tanzania (1961), Uganda (1963), Kenya (1963) and Zambia (1964), plus many others that I didn’t mention, all became independent and crashed and burned … immediately. You had plenty of warnings before the Civil Rights Act “ended the matter in 1964” for you. The nightmare continued for us in Africa.

    But, of course, it was that unpleasantness in the 1860s that pretty much ended the matter for you. When you gave the vote to creatures that have little in common with people like us.

    Your inability to think with subtlety could be irritating, but as an educator I long ago developed patience with that.

    Ah, an academic. That further clarifies that “different perspectives” thing.

    Back when I was much younger, I worked for an oil company in Cape Town that arranged for the University of Cape Town to present a “management development” program to a group of its employees. In an economics module, the lecturer was full of praise for the “African Socialism” of President Julius Nyerere of Tanzania.

    Now, I was puzzled, because Tanzania was a basket case. So I asked him: “My understanding is that his system has been a failure; have I got it wrong?”

    He replied, “A failure in what terms?”

    I said, “In terms of feeding his people.”

    He said, “Oh, well, in that respect…”.

    The academic perspective. It’s subtle, don’t you know.

    • Replies: @Not Woke--Not Broke
    AnalogMan----------- Many Americans are ignorant and uninformed by choice.However, American politicans and their owners do prefer sheep to citizens. Africans are not smart enough to engineer these disasters. As always,Follow The MONEY !!
  119. @dc.sunsets
    Re: squeegee kid editorial:

    The woman had the right idea.

    Next time, the gun in her strong-side hand, Sabre Red OC gel (spray) in the weak hand, crack the window enough to insure that the gel will exit the car, and hose the clowns if they approach.

    Anyone breaks the window gets a mag-dump.

    Anyone who tries to spray OC INTO the car gets lit.

    It's long past time to discourage the clowns, and if OC doesn't do the job, something more permanent will.

    In reality, I agree with the author of the article; don't put them in jail (why make the taxpayer suffer twice--once for the crime, a second time to pay to feed, shelter and clothe the clown); the real answer is to kick the clown out of civilization.

    Only those who create civilization are entitled to live in it. Those who cannot or will not "make" civilization should be EXILED...I don't care where. (Have taxpayers pay off Puerto Rico's debt...we are, anyway...and move everyone off the island; then, when some barbarian refuses to obey such reasonable laws, drop them off on the island and forget about them.)

    (Have taxpayers pay off Puerto Rico’s debt…we are, anyway…and move everyone off the island; then, when some barbarian refuses to obey such reasonable laws, drop them off on the island and forget about them.)

    Like that movie Escape from New York, only buying out Puerto Rico would be cheaper.

    • Replies: @Jim in Jersey
    Forgetting to supply an island would be cheaper still.
  120. @donvonburg

    (Have taxpayers pay off Puerto Rico’s debt…we are, anyway…and move everyone off the island; then, when some barbarian refuses to obey such reasonable laws, drop them off on the island and forget about them.)
     
    Like that movie Escape from New York, only buying out Puerto Rico would be cheaper.

    Forgetting to supply an island would be cheaper still.

    • LOL: Augustus
    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    PR is in the tropics. Food grows on trees.

    If the refuse-to-be-civil clowns dropped there couldn't figure out how to survive, that's simply
    Not.
    Our.
    Problem.

    I repeat: Civilization is a privilege ONLY for those who can and do behave civilly. Those who cannot or will not should be placed somewhere that they (1) can no longer be a burden on the civil and (2) are On. Their. Own. Sink-or-swim. Root/hog-or-die.

    Let nature take its course. Those who cannot fit into a natural non-predatory human society get to try to survive in an enclosure surrounded by those like them.

    There was a Ray Liotta movie about such a "prison" a couple decades ago. No Escape (1994) is not an entirely bad notion of how a "state of nature" banishment would work.

    In the end, we're going to find that "we" really don't have the wealth to spare to keep feeding and housing growing legions of dysfunctional, barbarian peoples. I still think the future is "smaller" polities, where if you're INSIDE, then you behave because if you don't, you get booted to the OUTSIDE (where life is a lot less pleasant.)

    We had a nice run, Western Civ., for the duration of while our nation-states were mostly NW European in ancestry. We pretty much screwed that pooch now. A lot of sorting out will come, someday, or else the entire western world will go Full Idiocracy.
  121. http://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/4-people-killed-at-orinda-house-party-reports-say-14767586.php

    Actually a fifth, a woman, has died. The other four were young men.

    Gavin Newsom said, “Our hearts are aching for the victims and all those affected by this horrible tragedy.” (He doesn’t exactly speak for me.)

    Orinda is an upscale, virtually all white suburb. At least 100 showed up at the party which was announced on social media. The party began at 10 pm. The house was rented on AirBnB. What a nightmare.

    Suburbs like Orinda, and adjacent Moraga and Lafayette grew like kudzu after Berkeley “voluntarily” desegregated the schools in the 1960s and parents fled over the hills. A bunch of private schools were founded in Berkeley in those years too.

    Increasingly, you can run but you can’t hide.

  122. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @William Badwhite
    Lots and lots of southern politicians and people tried to explain why they were segregated. Nobody wanted to listen.

    Carleton Putnam wrote the definitive tract, Race and Reality, in 1961.

    Putnam was not some hick redneck bigot: he was the head of Delta Air Lines. The campaign of Dynamic Silence to which he was subject is in and of itself worthy of study. As is his background, education and general mode of professional and personal deportment.

    Simply put, his writing in 1961 has been utterly vindicated, to anyone who will actually read the book.

    Most people will not.

  123. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sick 'n Tired
    And apparently they lowered the age where one can buy and possess a pistol. In all the other states I have been to and lived in, you have to be 18 to buy a rifle or shotgun, and 21 to purchade a pistol.

    And apparently they lowered the age where one can buy and possess a pistol. In all the other states I have been to and lived in, you have to be 18 to buy a rifle or shotgun, and 21 to purchase a pistol.

    That’s federal. States can have higher minima but not lower.

    In addition most retailers will not sell “dual use” ammo to under 21’s, except .22 long rifle, and many retailers won’t sell long guns to under-21’s.

    I have a female friend who works for one of the Big Box sporting goods emporiums in the gun department. Her stories of the differential behaviors of black, mestizo, and white buyers are interesting to say the least.

    Upscale blacks who are well dressed and spoken are roughly indifferentiable from white buyers. Underclass black males are nowhere to be found. Underclass black females are there in fair profusion, buying typical black hood type guns. They have been carefully schooled to avoid “Straw Man Purchase” “red flags” but it’s obvious they don’t know squat about what they are buying. (Who be schoolin’ dem, is another question.)

    Black women who look like hookers do buy tiny pocket pistols and seem to be more knowledgeable about them. Occasionally they will buy a shotgun. She figures those are the madams.

    Mestizos like nickel, chrome and stainless cowboy guns and have a definite preference for nickel 1911s in .38 Super. She suspects many of these somehow wind up back in old Mexico, but again, they are schooled in what not to do or say. These buyers tend to be heavily accented and well if flamboyantly dressed, but polite. Long term second and third generation mestizos often buy inexpensive duck shotguns and appear to be doing so for actual duck hunting. The Americanized mestiza prefers a 9mm Beretta or similar as a purse gun or for legit recreational target shooting at ranges.

  124. @Hans
    Dem mass shootings are full of holes. Stephen Lendman provides a good summary of the lawfare being waged to protect one of dodgiest and most important (to Obama's legacy):

    US Show Trial Punishes Truth-Telling - https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/10/stephen-lendman-us-show-trial-punishes-truth-telling/

    Yes, indeed Hans.

    The 2017 Las Vegas Mandalay Bay shooting is yet another mass-shooting with serious unanswered questions still hanging in the air:

    1. What was Paddock’s motive?
    2. Where is the psychological profile of Paddock?
    3. Where is the financial profile of Paddock?
    4. Where is all of the photographic and video evidence of Paddock from inside the casino for days before the shooting?

    I suspected immediately in 2017 that was some kind of Deep Statev event; that Paddock was a pawn in a very dark operation of which he had no real knowledge and that he was pre-selected as the patsy. Perhaps I am wrong, but once again, there is no firm evidence to prove the MSM/government authorized narrative of that horrific event.

  125. @William Badwhite
    Lots and lots of southern politicians and people tried to explain why they were segregated. Nobody wanted to listen.

    Lots and lots of southern politicians and people tried to explain why they were segregated. Nobody wanted to listen.

    I was raised in the north–went to prep school in the 1960s and college in the early 1970s–and never was told _why_ the southerners were segregated. We were just told it was a holdover from the slavery days.

    I never saw a book on the subject and never heard it discussed.

    There was no Internet back then–and I wouldn’t have even known where in the library to look for a book that talked about it.

    We didn’t know what we didn’t know.

    It was a lesson that (unfortunately) had to be learned the hard way.

  126. @AnalogMan

    Your timeline is incorrect and therefore so is your assertion that Africa provided massive evidence regarding desegregation. The debate about desegregation took place between 1960 and 1964. The Civil Rights Act ended the matter in 1964.
     
    "What we have here is a failure to communicate".

    We see this process from different perspectives. You have the typical American view of America as the world. I lived most of my life in South Africa. I saw that whole process of decolonization in real time. Of the examples I mentioned, Ghana (1957), Congo (1960), Tanzania (1961), Uganda (1963), Kenya (1963) and Zambia (1964), plus many others that I didn't mention, all became independent and crashed and burned ... immediately. You had plenty of warnings before the Civil Rights Act "ended the matter in 1964" for you. The nightmare continued for us in Africa.

    But, of course, it was that unpleasantness in the 1860s that pretty much ended the matter for you. When you gave the vote to creatures that have little in common with people like us.


    Your inability to think with subtlety could be irritating, but as an educator I long ago developed patience with that.
     
    Ah, an academic. That further clarifies that "different perspectives" thing.

    Back when I was much younger, I worked for an oil company in Cape Town that arranged for the University of Cape Town to present a "management development" program to a group of its employees. In an economics module, the lecturer was full of praise for the "African Socialism" of President Julius Nyerere of Tanzania.

    Now, I was puzzled, because Tanzania was a basket case. So I asked him: "My understanding is that his system has been a failure; have I got it wrong?"

    He replied, "A failure in what terms?"

    I said, "In terms of feeding his people."

    He said, "Oh, well, in that respect...".

    The academic perspective. It's subtle, don't you know.

    AnalogMan———– Many Americans are ignorant and uninformed by choice.However, American politicans and their owners do prefer sheep to citizens. Africans are not smart enough to engineer these disasters. As always,Follow The MONEY !!

    • Replies: @AnalogMan
    Alas, too true.

    All those years when South Africa was under siege by the whole world, we knew that Russia was providing training and weapons to the terrorists, that Sweden and the Church of England were financing them, America and Europe were sanctioning (boycotting) us. But I confess I was woefully ignorant of the snakes in the grass right where I lived.

    It was only after the fall of civilization that I had my nose rubbed in reality. When I saw a television interview with Harry (((Oppenheimer))), the richest man in South Africa, where he bragged, with a chuckle, "Yes, I was the quiet engine driving the ANC".

    Bastard! That was my "Aha!" moment.

    Since then, of course, I've learned much about the sources and causes of the world's woes. Too late for me, but for the sake of our children we must speak up about it.
  127. @Not Woke--Not Broke
    AnalogMan----------- Many Americans are ignorant and uninformed by choice.However, American politicans and their owners do prefer sheep to citizens. Africans are not smart enough to engineer these disasters. As always,Follow The MONEY !!

    Alas, too true.

    All those years when South Africa was under siege by the whole world, we knew that Russia was providing training and weapons to the terrorists, that Sweden and the Church of England were financing them, America and Europe were sanctioning (boycotting) us. But I confess I was woefully ignorant of the snakes in the grass right where I lived.

    It was only after the fall of civilization that I had my nose rubbed in reality. When I saw a television interview with Harry (((Oppenheimer))), the richest man in South Africa, where he bragged, with a chuckle, “Yes, I was the quiet engine driving the ANC”.

    Bastard! That was my “Aha!” moment.

    Since then, of course, I’ve learned much about the sources and causes of the world’s woes. Too late for me, but for the sake of our children we must speak up about it.

  128. @Jim in Jersey
    Forgetting to supply an island would be cheaper still.

    PR is in the tropics. Food grows on trees.

    If the refuse-to-be-civil clowns dropped there couldn’t figure out how to survive, that’s simply
    Not.
    Our.
    Problem.

    I repeat: Civilization is a privilege ONLY for those who can and do behave civilly. Those who cannot or will not should be placed somewhere that they (1) can no longer be a burden on the civil and (2) are On. Their. Own. Sink-or-swim. Root/hog-or-die.

    Let nature take its course. Those who cannot fit into a natural non-predatory human society get to try to survive in an enclosure surrounded by those like them.

    There was a Ray Liotta movie about such a “prison” a couple decades ago. No Escape (1994) is not an entirely bad notion of how a “state of nature” banishment would work.

    In the end, we’re going to find that “we” really don’t have the wealth to spare to keep feeding and housing growing legions of dysfunctional, barbarian peoples. I still think the future is “smaller” polities, where if you’re INSIDE, then you behave because if you don’t, you get booted to the OUTSIDE (where life is a lot less pleasant.)

    We had a nice run, Western Civ., for the duration of while our nation-states were mostly NW European in ancestry. We pretty much screwed that pooch now. A lot of sorting out will come, someday, or else the entire western world will go Full Idiocracy.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    the future is “smaller” polities, where if you’re INSIDE, then you behave because if you don’t, you get booted to the OUTSIDE (where life is a lot less pleasant.)
     
    The phrase you want is "beyond the pale", meaning not the adjective "light-colored" but the noun "picket, wall or enclosure".  Finding yourself put beyond the pale means having no protection.

    We seem to be coming back to my "Members Only" scheme again and again.
    , @Oil 'n Water

    We had a nice run, Western Civ., for the duration of while our nation-states were mostly NW European in ancestry.

     

    NW Europe. Hmmm. Eliminates quite a bit of real estate, doesn’t it?
    Yeah, forget those damned Poles. Why, in the 50’s the areas they occupied were simply cesspools of filth and crime in this country. And lazy!
    And let’s not even mention the Italians. (Yeah, let’s). With all of their dysfunction, it’s hard to imagine anything positive to say about them.
    And, we can only scoff at SOUTHERN Italians as American citizens. In fact, I can barely type the word...’Sicilians.’ They NEVER assimilated, never started businesses, never displayed patriotism, and certainly are the worst at taking care of their families. Family structure means NOTHING to them.
    By the way, all of my grandparents were Sicilian. And all of the above is bullshit including your dismissive, paint brush statement.
    Please explain how eastern and southern Europeans were a liability to this country, when they – including nw Europeans - all got along in the same neighborhoods; neighborhoods that were clean and safe, with most mothers being homemakers (daycare was unheard of) and all of the fathers working at steady jobs. Plus a variety of thriving small businesses, some ethnic, some not, created by area people of various nationalities. And to my knowledge, never a police car stopped for business on my block.
    Beyond the above, I will not defend these and other non-nw Europeans, because I don’t believe I’d do them justice.
  129. @dc.sunsets
    PR is in the tropics. Food grows on trees.

    If the refuse-to-be-civil clowns dropped there couldn't figure out how to survive, that's simply
    Not.
    Our.
    Problem.

    I repeat: Civilization is a privilege ONLY for those who can and do behave civilly. Those who cannot or will not should be placed somewhere that they (1) can no longer be a burden on the civil and (2) are On. Their. Own. Sink-or-swim. Root/hog-or-die.

    Let nature take its course. Those who cannot fit into a natural non-predatory human society get to try to survive in an enclosure surrounded by those like them.

    There was a Ray Liotta movie about such a "prison" a couple decades ago. No Escape (1994) is not an entirely bad notion of how a "state of nature" banishment would work.

    In the end, we're going to find that "we" really don't have the wealth to spare to keep feeding and housing growing legions of dysfunctional, barbarian peoples. I still think the future is "smaller" polities, where if you're INSIDE, then you behave because if you don't, you get booted to the OUTSIDE (where life is a lot less pleasant.)

    We had a nice run, Western Civ., for the duration of while our nation-states were mostly NW European in ancestry. We pretty much screwed that pooch now. A lot of sorting out will come, someday, or else the entire western world will go Full Idiocracy.

    the future is “smaller” polities, where if you’re INSIDE, then you behave because if you don’t, you get booted to the OUTSIDE (where life is a lot less pleasant.)

    The phrase you want is “beyond the pale”, meaning not the adjective “light-colored” but the noun “picket, wall or enclosure“.  Finding yourself put beyond the pale means having no protection.

    We seem to be coming back to my “Members Only” scheme again and again.

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets

    We seem to be coming back to my “Members Only” scheme again and again.
     
    Members Only. I really like that.

    Freedom of Association is defined by its inversion: Freedom to NOT associate.

    Marx said it best: "Why....I'd never be a member of a club that would have me."

    (Groucho, that is.)
    , @Corvinus
    "We seem to be coming back to my “Members Only” scheme again and again."

    Exactly, a scheme. And, most importantly, a sham. So, hotshot, who gets to decide this "members only"? What is the criteria? Where would be these "Members Only" be located? Where would the "outcasts" go? What happens when there is resistance? How does this plan fit with religious values?
  130. @dc.sunsets
    PR is in the tropics. Food grows on trees.

    If the refuse-to-be-civil clowns dropped there couldn't figure out how to survive, that's simply
    Not.
    Our.
    Problem.

    I repeat: Civilization is a privilege ONLY for those who can and do behave civilly. Those who cannot or will not should be placed somewhere that they (1) can no longer be a burden on the civil and (2) are On. Their. Own. Sink-or-swim. Root/hog-or-die.

    Let nature take its course. Those who cannot fit into a natural non-predatory human society get to try to survive in an enclosure surrounded by those like them.

    There was a Ray Liotta movie about such a "prison" a couple decades ago. No Escape (1994) is not an entirely bad notion of how a "state of nature" banishment would work.

    In the end, we're going to find that "we" really don't have the wealth to spare to keep feeding and housing growing legions of dysfunctional, barbarian peoples. I still think the future is "smaller" polities, where if you're INSIDE, then you behave because if you don't, you get booted to the OUTSIDE (where life is a lot less pleasant.)

    We had a nice run, Western Civ., for the duration of while our nation-states were mostly NW European in ancestry. We pretty much screwed that pooch now. A lot of sorting out will come, someday, or else the entire western world will go Full Idiocracy.

    We had a nice run, Western Civ., for the duration of while our nation-states were mostly NW European in ancestry.

    NW Europe. Hmmm. Eliminates quite a bit of real estate, doesn’t it?
    Yeah, forget those damned Poles. Why, in the 50’s the areas they occupied were simply cesspools of filth and crime in this country. And lazy!
    And let’s not even mention the Italians. (Yeah, let’s). With all of their dysfunction, it’s hard to imagine anything positive to say about them.
    And, we can only scoff at SOUTHERN Italians as American citizens. In fact, I can barely type the word…’Sicilians.’ They NEVER assimilated, never started businesses, never displayed patriotism, and certainly are the worst at taking care of their families. Family structure means NOTHING to them.
    By the way, all of my grandparents were Sicilian. And all of the above is bullshit including your dismissive, paint brush statement.
    Please explain how eastern and southern Europeans were a liability to this country, when they – including nw Europeans – all got along in the same neighborhoods; neighborhoods that were clean and safe, with most mothers being homemakers (daycare was unheard of) and all of the fathers working at steady jobs. Plus a variety of thriving small businesses, some ethnic, some not, created by area people of various nationalities. And to my knowledge, never a police car stopped for business on my block.
    Beyond the above, I will not defend these and other non-nw Europeans, because I don’t believe I’d do them justice.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    The further you get outside the Hajnal Line, the less commonweal-oriented people you'll find.

    Italians? Great people (I married a half-Italian lady.) Large-scale Italian immigration brought in the Sicilian Mafia. Oops. Irish Catholics brought a form of political corruption only exceeded when blacks started running cities.

    Poles are great people. So are Czechs. I truly love the CZ-75 design, even better than Genius Browning's stuff. But again, the original American experiment was an Anglo-Saxon thing, mostly. The more diluted it became, the less of the original recipe existed.

    Bitch about it all you want. Poland looks like a nice place, full of good people. Hungary is run by people who seem to have a clue about unrestricted immigration, so kudos to them. But just because other people have nice systems doesn't mean that when they're added to WASPs you get more WASPs.

    Of course, WASPs were too clueless to keep what they had, so criticism is well-warranted. We had a great run, but got too trusting and open. We screwed the pooch.

    Too bad I won't live long enough to see what comes after what's next.
  131. @Oil 'n Water

    We had a nice run, Western Civ., for the duration of while our nation-states were mostly NW European in ancestry.

     

    NW Europe. Hmmm. Eliminates quite a bit of real estate, doesn’t it?
    Yeah, forget those damned Poles. Why, in the 50’s the areas they occupied were simply cesspools of filth and crime in this country. And lazy!
    And let’s not even mention the Italians. (Yeah, let’s). With all of their dysfunction, it’s hard to imagine anything positive to say about them.
    And, we can only scoff at SOUTHERN Italians as American citizens. In fact, I can barely type the word...’Sicilians.’ They NEVER assimilated, never started businesses, never displayed patriotism, and certainly are the worst at taking care of their families. Family structure means NOTHING to them.
    By the way, all of my grandparents were Sicilian. And all of the above is bullshit including your dismissive, paint brush statement.
    Please explain how eastern and southern Europeans were a liability to this country, when they – including nw Europeans - all got along in the same neighborhoods; neighborhoods that were clean and safe, with most mothers being homemakers (daycare was unheard of) and all of the fathers working at steady jobs. Plus a variety of thriving small businesses, some ethnic, some not, created by area people of various nationalities. And to my knowledge, never a police car stopped for business on my block.
    Beyond the above, I will not defend these and other non-nw Europeans, because I don’t believe I’d do them justice.

    The further you get outside the Hajnal Line, the less commonweal-oriented people you’ll find.

    Italians? Great people (I married a half-Italian lady.) Large-scale Italian immigration brought in the Sicilian Mafia. Oops. Irish Catholics brought a form of political corruption only exceeded when blacks started running cities.

    Poles are great people. So are Czechs. I truly love the CZ-75 design, even better than Genius Browning’s stuff. But again, the original American experiment was an Anglo-Saxon thing, mostly. The more diluted it became, the less of the original recipe existed.

    Bitch about it all you want. Poland looks like a nice place, full of good people. Hungary is run by people who seem to have a clue about unrestricted immigration, so kudos to them. But just because other people have nice systems doesn’t mean that when they’re added to WASPs you get more WASPs.

    Of course, WASPs were too clueless to keep what they had, so criticism is well-warranted. We had a great run, but got too trusting and open. We screwed the pooch.

    Too bad I won’t live long enough to see what comes after what’s next.

    • Replies: @Oil 'n Water

    But just because other people have nice systems doesn’t mean that when they’re added to WASPs you get more WASPs.

     

    No doubt the country’s founding was a function of nw Europeans, and to them should be given the highest praise. But the implied assertion that they, and only they, were capable of ensuring continued success is, in my opinion, horse feathers. The implication that no other ethnic groups possess the character and intelligence to contribute effectively, smacks of the breeding houses of WW2 Germany.

    Yes, the Mafia is a Sicilian embarrassment, but they flourished in this county only because of a willingness of others to pay for that which they were peddling. And your mentioning them is a cheap shot to the vast majority of decent Italians in this country.

    [Off topic, but as to your usage of the word “further” in the phrase, “The further you get outside the Hajnal Line...” the correct word is “farther,” which pertains to distance. “Further has to do with time.]
  132. @Mr. Rational

    the future is “smaller” polities, where if you’re INSIDE, then you behave because if you don’t, you get booted to the OUTSIDE (where life is a lot less pleasant.)
     
    The phrase you want is "beyond the pale", meaning not the adjective "light-colored" but the noun "picket, wall or enclosure".  Finding yourself put beyond the pale means having no protection.

    We seem to be coming back to my "Members Only" scheme again and again.

    We seem to be coming back to my “Members Only” scheme again and again.

    Members Only. I really like that.

    Freedom of Association is defined by its inversion: Freedom to NOT associate.

    Marx said it best: “Why….I’d never be a member of a club that would have me.”

    (Groucho, that is.)

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Members Only. I really like that.
     
    I wrote it up a few times on the old SBPDL.  I'm not sure exactly when the "Members Only" idea got started, but I posted about it here, in 2014:

    Mr. Rational said...

    The City of Jackson is proposing that stores be forced to hire their own security to protect them from the undertow.

    Maybe they need to go "Members Only". Only Members will be allowed inside the store. Non-members can use the walk-up window, which can either be a self-service automated affair or have some human attendance. (Some technology for an armored touch-screen or the like would be required. Imagine St. Swisher, trying to rob something like a bank's drive-through.)

    If you have any sort of crime on your record, or have been caught misbehaving in any Members Only outlet (even as a juvenile), you are banned for between 2 years to life. Parents and guardians are responsible for all acts of their charges and can be banned for them also.

     
    It got another kick here a couple months later:

    CENTURION said...

    I need a Real Estate Attorney to help me here. This is my RAYCISSSS idea on running a successful mall:

    Membership.

    Make the Mall private. Like a Gym or country club and one must purchase a membership, like for $1,000 per year. When you shop there, you get a credit for your membership fee. Like, for every 2 dollars you spend, $1 comes from your membership. Like drawing down a pre-paid credit card.

    This will force the negro out. How many of them can come up with $1,000 all at one time?

     
    I followed up:

    Mr. Rational said...
    Centurion, this is practically my "Members Only" mall idea, but the pre-paid purchase scheme is a new twist. I like it.

    This will force the negro out. How many of them can come up with $1,000 all at one time?

    It would. That covers shopping. Now you need something for living and working as well. Gated communities are hard to police because the gates are too easy to jump by e.g. tailgating. We'd need something like the NYC co-op system for residency, where existing residents must approve new ones. Ideally the residential areas would be divided into pieces where if one goes Black, it fails (people don't pay their fees and it is repossessed), emptied and re-started with new residents.

     
    I got other hits on it here, here, here, here, and here:

    Dozens of bullets were exchanged at the mall's north entrance when police say two groups of young men recognized each other and opened fire.

    Now imagine if this mall was Members Only. The mamas would already have been flagged for previous bad behavior (of their own or their children) and barred from membership, or at least from bringing anyone along. The "yoots" might try to come in by bus once or twice, but they'd be turned away by security and put on the next bus out because they have no family membership card and they're too young to get their own. They might even get wanded by security and guns seized.

    No bunch of "yoots" with guns, and the mall is no longer "the wrong place".

    Perhaps malls need to start operating with limited entry points, having to pay to enter...

    That, plus barring known criminals, would probably do it. Keeping out the other varieties of criminal like gypsies would be a welcome bonus. Reducing "shrinkage" might even pay for the whole thing.

     
    This is an idea that is begging for a test run.  We need just a few things:

    1.  People with management expertise.
    2.  Enough money to buy a mall that is failing but not yet dead, in an area where there are still decent people who would rather stick close for shopping and entertainment.
    3.  Finances to build the walls/fences and secure entrances, both for vehicles and for people.  Ideally the entrance coming from the bus stop should be VERY tight and constricted.  You should HAVE a bus stop to meet the requirements, but it should be absolutely minimal.  It should be a long way from any entrances for private cars and have no pedestrian access to them.
    4.  Uses for vacant store fronts to get people to come in.  Laser tag, mini-golf, electric go-cart tracks?  Replace them with stores as traffic brings vendors back.
    5.  Advertising budget.

    Then next to the mall, buy some near-dead property and build some nice housing and office space.  Put a wall around it all from the beginning.  Connect them with sky bridges.  Now you have a self-contained Members Only work, shopping, entertainment AND housing district, an island of humanity in a sea of dysfunction.

    Expand from there.  Whaddaya think?
    , @Corvinus
    "Freedom of Association..."

    Yeah, about that concept. Historically, the elevation of property rights has been advocated most stridently by, and of course most to the advantage of, those who already possessed the property. In this context, freedom of association has been used as a tool by individuals drawn by a common cause to deny others from competing on similar footing in the free market entirely--no access to credit, no access to rent a storefront, etc. Russell Kirk espouses that the more widespread is the possession of private property, the more stable and productive is a commonwealth. The opportunities to own property is the vehicle for teaching men and women responsibility, civic values, and integrity, for affording leisure to think and freedom to act, to rise from poverty to accomplishment.

    “Protection...against the tyranny of the magistrate is not enough,” wrote John Stuart Mill, "There needs protection also against the tyranny of the prevailing opinion and feeling.”

    Sir Henry Maine--“Nobody is at liberty to attack several property and to say at the same time that he values civilization. The history of the two cannot be disentangled.”

    "Members Only. I really like that."

    Sounds elitist, globalist, and SJW-inspired. Congratulations on your journey to the dark side, friend.
  133. @Mr. Rational

    the future is “smaller” polities, where if you’re INSIDE, then you behave because if you don’t, you get booted to the OUTSIDE (where life is a lot less pleasant.)
     
    The phrase you want is "beyond the pale", meaning not the adjective "light-colored" but the noun "picket, wall or enclosure".  Finding yourself put beyond the pale means having no protection.

    We seem to be coming back to my "Members Only" scheme again and again.

    “We seem to be coming back to my “Members Only” scheme again and again.”

    Exactly, a scheme. And, most importantly, a sham. So, hotshot, who gets to decide this “members only”? What is the criteria? Where would be these “Members Only” be located? Where would the “outcasts” go? What happens when there is resistance? How does this plan fit with religious values?

  134. @dc.sunsets

    We seem to be coming back to my “Members Only” scheme again and again.
     
    Members Only. I really like that.

    Freedom of Association is defined by its inversion: Freedom to NOT associate.

    Marx said it best: "Why....I'd never be a member of a club that would have me."

    (Groucho, that is.)

    Members Only. I really like that.

    I wrote it up a few times on the old SBPDL.  I’m not sure exactly when the “Members Only” idea got started, but I posted about it here, in 2014:

    Mr. Rational said…

    The City of Jackson is proposing that stores be forced to hire their own security to protect them from the undertow.

    Maybe they need to go “Members Only”. Only Members will be allowed inside the store. Non-members can use the walk-up window, which can either be a self-service automated affair or have some human attendance. (Some technology for an armored touch-screen or the like would be required. Imagine St. Swisher, trying to rob something like a bank’s drive-through.)

    If you have any sort of crime on your record, or have been caught misbehaving in any Members Only outlet (even as a juvenile), you are banned for between 2 years to life. Parents and guardians are responsible for all acts of their charges and can be banned for them also.

    It got another kick here a couple months later:

    CENTURION said…

    I need a Real Estate Attorney to help me here. This is my RAYCISSSS idea on running a successful mall:

    Membership.

    Make the Mall private. Like a Gym or country club and one must purchase a membership, like for $1,000 per year. When you shop there, you get a credit for your membership fee. Like, for every 2 dollars you spend, $1 comes from your membership. Like drawing down a pre-paid credit card.

    This will force the negro out. How many of them can come up with $1,000 all at one time?

    I followed up:

    Mr. Rational said…
    Centurion, this is practically my “Members Only” mall idea, but the pre-paid purchase scheme is a new twist. I like it.

    This will force the negro out. How many of them can come up with $1,000 all at one time?

    It would. That covers shopping. Now you need something for living and working as well. Gated communities are hard to police because the gates are too easy to jump by e.g. tailgating. We’d need something like the NYC co-op system for residency, where existing residents must approve new ones. Ideally the residential areas would be divided into pieces where if one goes Black, it fails (people don’t pay their fees and it is repossessed), emptied and re-started with new residents.

    I got other hits on it here, here, here, here, and here:

    Dozens of bullets were exchanged at the mall’s north entrance when police say two groups of young men recognized each other and opened fire.

    Now imagine if this mall was Members Only. The mamas would already have been flagged for previous bad behavior (of their own or their children) and barred from membership, or at least from bringing anyone along. The “yoots” might try to come in by bus once or twice, but they’d be turned away by security and put on the next bus out because they have no family membership card and they’re too young to get their own. They might even get wanded by security and guns seized.

    No bunch of “yoots” with guns, and the mall is no longer “the wrong place”.

    Perhaps malls need to start operating with limited entry points, having to pay to enter…

    That, plus barring known criminals, would probably do it. Keeping out the other varieties of criminal like gypsies would be a welcome bonus. Reducing “shrinkage” might even pay for the whole thing.

    This is an idea that is begging for a test run.  We need just a few things:

    1.  People with management expertise.
    2.  Enough money to buy a mall that is failing but not yet dead, in an area where there are still decent people who would rather stick close for shopping and entertainment.
    3.  Finances to build the walls/fences and secure entrances, both for vehicles and for people.  Ideally the entrance coming from the bus stop should be VERY tight and constricted.  You should HAVE a bus stop to meet the requirements, but it should be absolutely minimal.  It should be a long way from any entrances for private cars and have no pedestrian access to them.
    4.  Uses for vacant store fronts to get people to come in.  Laser tag, mini-golf, electric go-cart tracks?  Replace them with stores as traffic brings vendors back.
    5.  Advertising budget.

    Then next to the mall, buy some near-dead property and build some nice housing and office space.  Put a wall around it all from the beginning.  Connect them with sky bridges.  Now you have a self-contained Members Only work, shopping, entertainment AND housing district, an island of humanity in a sea of dysfunction.

    Expand from there.  Whaddaya think?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    See, this is the problem with you. All of these ideas on paper, yet you want others to put it into practice. Why don't YOU find the time to line up the investors? That's the first step. Let us know when you are ready to go.
  135. @dc.sunsets

    We seem to be coming back to my “Members Only” scheme again and again.
     
    Members Only. I really like that.

    Freedom of Association is defined by its inversion: Freedom to NOT associate.

    Marx said it best: "Why....I'd never be a member of a club that would have me."

    (Groucho, that is.)

    “Freedom of Association…”

    Yeah, about that concept. Historically, the elevation of property rights has been advocated most stridently by, and of course most to the advantage of, those who already possessed the property. In this context, freedom of association has been used as a tool by individuals drawn by a common cause to deny others from competing on similar footing in the free market entirely–no access to credit, no access to rent a storefront, etc. Russell Kirk espouses that the more widespread is the possession of private property, the more stable and productive is a commonwealth. The opportunities to own property is the vehicle for teaching men and women responsibility, civic values, and integrity, for affording leisure to think and freedom to act, to rise from poverty to accomplishment.

    “Protection…against the tyranny of the magistrate is not enough,” wrote John Stuart Mill, “There needs protection also against the tyranny of the prevailing opinion and feeling.”

    Sir Henry Maine–“Nobody is at liberty to attack several property and to say at the same time that he values civilization. The history of the two cannot be disentangled.”

    “Members Only. I really like that.”

    Sounds elitist, globalist, and SJW-inspired. Congratulations on your journey to the dark side, friend.

  136. @dc.sunsets
    The further you get outside the Hajnal Line, the less commonweal-oriented people you'll find.

    Italians? Great people (I married a half-Italian lady.) Large-scale Italian immigration brought in the Sicilian Mafia. Oops. Irish Catholics brought a form of political corruption only exceeded when blacks started running cities.

    Poles are great people. So are Czechs. I truly love the CZ-75 design, even better than Genius Browning's stuff. But again, the original American experiment was an Anglo-Saxon thing, mostly. The more diluted it became, the less of the original recipe existed.

    Bitch about it all you want. Poland looks like a nice place, full of good people. Hungary is run by people who seem to have a clue about unrestricted immigration, so kudos to them. But just because other people have nice systems doesn't mean that when they're added to WASPs you get more WASPs.

    Of course, WASPs were too clueless to keep what they had, so criticism is well-warranted. We had a great run, but got too trusting and open. We screwed the pooch.

    Too bad I won't live long enough to see what comes after what's next.

    But just because other people have nice systems doesn’t mean that when they’re added to WASPs you get more WASPs.

    No doubt the country’s founding was a function of nw Europeans, and to them should be given the highest praise. But the implied assertion that they, and only they, were capable of ensuring continued success is, in my opinion, horse feathers. The implication that no other ethnic groups possess the character and intelligence to contribute effectively, smacks of the breeding houses of WW2 Germany.

    Yes, the Mafia is a Sicilian embarrassment, but they flourished in this county only because of a willingness of others to pay for that which they were peddling. And your mentioning them is a cheap shot to the vast majority of decent Italians in this country.

    [Off topic, but as to your usage of the word “further” in the phrase, “The further you get outside the Hajnal Line…” the correct word is “farther,” which pertains to distance. “Further has to do with time.]

  137. @Radford
    You are correct. I participated in the local white support of the civil rights campaign in Birmingham, Alabama, in 1962 and 1963. I was in my late teens and accompanied my brother, who was a medical student, to meetings in the basement of the 16th Street Baptist Church (long before the bombing there), and also to meetings at a local Jewish medical school professor's home. I went with my brother not because of any commitment to civil rights on my part. I was neutral on the matter, but my brother had received death threats from the Klan and was being harassed by the Birmingham police. My thinking was that if I was with him perhaps the white radicals would not kill us both and my brother would be safer. I was later threatened with death by my college roommate for arguing that civil rights should be available to blacks, and my father was similarly threatened by a coworker. Our family was native to the South since 1630.

    The local proponents of desegregation were professional business leaders and academics. The opponents were car mechanics, truck drivers and miners (in one case, of a one-man shaft to a shallow seam of coal). The segregationists were not attractive people; mostly they were brutish. I believe that they were motivated by instinctive hatred. They could not make reasoned arguments against desegregation. During the mid-1960's I never heard anyone predict the catastrophic results that would follow from black enfranchisement. At that time, because of segregation and severe law enforcement, black anti-civilizational behavior was minimal. The results of the civil rights experiment could not be predicted so easily. Family life was the rule among blacks, drugs were not yet a source of chaos in their communities, no one understood that genetic determinism was a prudent intellectual stance, African colonies were just becoming self-ruled and had not then descended into the post-colonial dysfunction of today.

    In my opinion, the experiment of the last 60 years could not have been avoided. Most people embark upon marriage without a coherent evaluation of its prospects, and many divorce after they understand the dynamics of their situation. Whites did the marriage. Now it is time for the divorce.

    “At that time, because of segregation and severe law enforcement, black anti-civilizational behavior was minimal.”

    You mean the suppressing of fundamental liberties and the brutish methods to enforce white dominance.

    “no one understood that genetic determinism was a prudent intellectual stance…”

    It was the primary factor why southrons chose not to pick their own cotton; rather, they greased the skids and imported avarice and disease.

  138. @Mr. Rational

    Members Only. I really like that.
     
    I wrote it up a few times on the old SBPDL.  I'm not sure exactly when the "Members Only" idea got started, but I posted about it here, in 2014:

    Mr. Rational said...

    The City of Jackson is proposing that stores be forced to hire their own security to protect them from the undertow.

    Maybe they need to go "Members Only". Only Members will be allowed inside the store. Non-members can use the walk-up window, which can either be a self-service automated affair or have some human attendance. (Some technology for an armored touch-screen or the like would be required. Imagine St. Swisher, trying to rob something like a bank's drive-through.)

    If you have any sort of crime on your record, or have been caught misbehaving in any Members Only outlet (even as a juvenile), you are banned for between 2 years to life. Parents and guardians are responsible for all acts of their charges and can be banned for them also.

     
    It got another kick here a couple months later:

    CENTURION said...

    I need a Real Estate Attorney to help me here. This is my RAYCISSSS idea on running a successful mall:

    Membership.

    Make the Mall private. Like a Gym or country club and one must purchase a membership, like for $1,000 per year. When you shop there, you get a credit for your membership fee. Like, for every 2 dollars you spend, $1 comes from your membership. Like drawing down a pre-paid credit card.

    This will force the negro out. How many of them can come up with $1,000 all at one time?

     
    I followed up:

    Mr. Rational said...
    Centurion, this is practically my "Members Only" mall idea, but the pre-paid purchase scheme is a new twist. I like it.

    This will force the negro out. How many of them can come up with $1,000 all at one time?

    It would. That covers shopping. Now you need something for living and working as well. Gated communities are hard to police because the gates are too easy to jump by e.g. tailgating. We'd need something like the NYC co-op system for residency, where existing residents must approve new ones. Ideally the residential areas would be divided into pieces where if one goes Black, it fails (people don't pay their fees and it is repossessed), emptied and re-started with new residents.

     
    I got other hits on it here, here, here, here, and here:

    Dozens of bullets were exchanged at the mall's north entrance when police say two groups of young men recognized each other and opened fire.

    Now imagine if this mall was Members Only. The mamas would already have been flagged for previous bad behavior (of their own or their children) and barred from membership, or at least from bringing anyone along. The "yoots" might try to come in by bus once or twice, but they'd be turned away by security and put on the next bus out because they have no family membership card and they're too young to get their own. They might even get wanded by security and guns seized.

    No bunch of "yoots" with guns, and the mall is no longer "the wrong place".

    Perhaps malls need to start operating with limited entry points, having to pay to enter...

    That, plus barring known criminals, would probably do it. Keeping out the other varieties of criminal like gypsies would be a welcome bonus. Reducing "shrinkage" might even pay for the whole thing.

     
    This is an idea that is begging for a test run.  We need just a few things:

    1.  People with management expertise.
    2.  Enough money to buy a mall that is failing but not yet dead, in an area where there are still decent people who would rather stick close for shopping and entertainment.
    3.  Finances to build the walls/fences and secure entrances, both for vehicles and for people.  Ideally the entrance coming from the bus stop should be VERY tight and constricted.  You should HAVE a bus stop to meet the requirements, but it should be absolutely minimal.  It should be a long way from any entrances for private cars and have no pedestrian access to them.
    4.  Uses for vacant store fronts to get people to come in.  Laser tag, mini-golf, electric go-cart tracks?  Replace them with stores as traffic brings vendors back.
    5.  Advertising budget.

    Then next to the mall, buy some near-dead property and build some nice housing and office space.  Put a wall around it all from the beginning.  Connect them with sky bridges.  Now you have a self-contained Members Only work, shopping, entertainment AND housing district, an island of humanity in a sea of dysfunction.

    Expand from there.  Whaddaya think?

    See, this is the problem with you. All of these ideas on paper, yet you want others to put it into practice. Why don’t YOU find the time to line up the investors? That’s the first step. Let us know when you are ready to go.

  139. @Radford
    Your inability to think with subtlety could be irritating, but as an educator I long ago developed patience with that.

    If there had been a referendum in the South in 1962 as to whether to desegregate, obviously the vote would have been "No" and I am reasonably sure that my parents would have voted that way. I might have as well. However, what happened in my case and in my father's case is that loud-mouthed SOBs got in our faces when we tried to discuss the issue in rational and moral terms, and then they threatened us with violence. Not exactly the way to win hearts and minds, eh.

    Secondly, your claim that the outcome was all too obvious is 20-20-hindsight bullshit. You didn't know that welfare would be granted to fund black baby production. You didn't know that the sexual revolution would occur. You didn't know that affirmative action would be instituted. You didn't know that Section 8 would be instituted. You didn't know that semi-autos would replace Saturday night specials. You didn't know that smoking cocaine as "crack" would make it more addictive. You didn't know that your sainted white population would become druggies and fund empires of black criminals in the process.

    Do a thought experiment. Ask yourself whether desegregation could have been relatively benign if all the other changes I list above had not occurred. There are plenty of middle-class blacks with stable families and incomes not derived from government jobs. The problem is the lower half of the black IQ distribution who were susceptible to the changes above, and who you apparently believe constitute the entire black population. You paint blacks with such a broad brush that it makes me think that your problem is that you can't afford White Flight. If your black neighbors are too obnoxious, I've heard that Southerners can move from Point A to Point B.

    I appreciate your level headed, common sense approach in this debate.

    It seems that all too often, the people in this debate are just like the meatheads you were describing back in the 1960s. We need an honest, open, rational, and calm discussion about these types of racial issues – particularly sensitive ones such as the merits of segregation.

  140. @Radford
    Your inability to think with subtlety could be irritating, but as an educator I long ago developed patience with that.

    If there had been a referendum in the South in 1962 as to whether to desegregate, obviously the vote would have been "No" and I am reasonably sure that my parents would have voted that way. I might have as well. However, what happened in my case and in my father's case is that loud-mouthed SOBs got in our faces when we tried to discuss the issue in rational and moral terms, and then they threatened us with violence. Not exactly the way to win hearts and minds, eh.

    Secondly, your claim that the outcome was all too obvious is 20-20-hindsight bullshit. You didn't know that welfare would be granted to fund black baby production. You didn't know that the sexual revolution would occur. You didn't know that affirmative action would be instituted. You didn't know that Section 8 would be instituted. You didn't know that semi-autos would replace Saturday night specials. You didn't know that smoking cocaine as "crack" would make it more addictive. You didn't know that your sainted white population would become druggies and fund empires of black criminals in the process.

    Do a thought experiment. Ask yourself whether desegregation could have been relatively benign if all the other changes I list above had not occurred. There are plenty of middle-class blacks with stable families and incomes not derived from government jobs. The problem is the lower half of the black IQ distribution who were susceptible to the changes above, and who you apparently believe constitute the entire black population. You paint blacks with such a broad brush that it makes me think that your problem is that you can't afford White Flight. If your black neighbors are too obnoxious, I've heard that Southerners can move from Point A to Point B.

    If your black neighbors are too obnoxious, I’ve heard that Southerners can move from Point A to Point B.

    That is only a real solution if the blacks are prevented from following.

  141. @Radford
    Your inability to think with subtlety could be irritating, but as an educator I long ago developed patience with that.

    If there had been a referendum in the South in 1962 as to whether to desegregate, obviously the vote would have been "No" and I am reasonably sure that my parents would have voted that way. I might have as well. However, what happened in my case and in my father's case is that loud-mouthed SOBs got in our faces when we tried to discuss the issue in rational and moral terms, and then they threatened us with violence. Not exactly the way to win hearts and minds, eh.

    Secondly, your claim that the outcome was all too obvious is 20-20-hindsight bullshit. You didn't know that welfare would be granted to fund black baby production. You didn't know that the sexual revolution would occur. You didn't know that affirmative action would be instituted. You didn't know that Section 8 would be instituted. You didn't know that semi-autos would replace Saturday night specials. You didn't know that smoking cocaine as "crack" would make it more addictive. You didn't know that your sainted white population would become druggies and fund empires of black criminals in the process.

    Do a thought experiment. Ask yourself whether desegregation could have been relatively benign if all the other changes I list above had not occurred. There are plenty of middle-class blacks with stable families and incomes not derived from government jobs. The problem is the lower half of the black IQ distribution who were susceptible to the changes above, and who you apparently believe constitute the entire black population. You paint blacks with such a broad brush that it makes me think that your problem is that you can't afford White Flight. If your black neighbors are too obnoxious, I've heard that Southerners can move from Point A to Point B.

    Secondly, your claim that the outcome was all too obvious is 20-20-hindsight bullshit…You didn’t know that smoking cocaine as “crack” would make it more addictive.

    Of course I didn’t know the specific developments you cite. Nobody did and nobody needed to. It was enough to see the behavior of blacks in the South from 1865 to the end of Reconstruction. If you needed further evidence you could have looked at Haiti, Jamaica, and all of sub-Saharan Africa (ex the part run by white people, since destroyed by blacks). You could have read Jefferson on the topic, or read Thomas Dixon’s trilogy and ask yourself if his novels are fantasy or more reality-based. Again, as I’ve said before, your personal ignorance of a topic does not mean that everyone was ignorant.

    You didn’t know that your sainted white population would become druggies and fund empires of black criminals in the process.

    I never said anything about a “sainted white population”. I countered your assertion that nobody knew what would happened after forced integration because you personally did not know. Your need to personalize things leads me to believe you are a woman. Which is fine, I’m glad you’re here and as I said before, I’m glad you’ve come around to what people knew 60+ years ago. Try to calm down though – Ad Hominem is a logical fallacy.

    Do a thought experiment. Ask yourself whether desegregation could have been relatively benign if all the other changes I list above had not occurred.

    It would certainly have been relatively less bad, but still would have led to a decline of civilization. Simply observing blacks as a group anywhere they reside is evidence enough. As an aside, desegregation is less of an issue than is forced integration.

    makes me think that your problem is that you can’t afford White Flight. If your black neighbors are too obnoxious, I’ve heard that Southerners can move from Point A to Point B.

    More ad hominem and further evidence you are female – think only about yourself and then assume everyone thinks this way. I live in a town that is 3% black. My problem is not that I personally can’t afford “White Flight”, I can. My problem is that other whites can’t and that White Flight is necessary in the first place.

    If your black neighbors are too obnoxious, I’ve heard that Southerners can move from Point A to Point B.

    What if the blacks follow? Why should whites be forced to move from their homes and civilization they built? Seems easier and more just to simply deal with the problem.

    In your original post you write “The local proponents of desegregation were professional business leaders and academics. The opponents were car mechanics, truck drivers and miners”. Perhaps this sort of arrogance is why you didn’t know? A car mechanic provides far more to society than an “academic”. You should consider the possibility that “professional business leaders and academics” don’t know everything.

    Later you wrote “During the mid-1960’s I never heard anyone predict the catastrophic results that would follow from black enfranchisement” Perhaps this is because you were unwilling to listen to “car mechanics, truck drivers, and miners”? As I’ve said several times now, it does not logically follow that because you did not know something, that nobody knew. Open your mind woman.

  142. @Vinnie O
    Just for future reference, are "bullet holes" covered by most auto insurance policies? Or do ya hafta sue the shooter directly? I think this will become a common problem across America.

    If the holes come from INSIDE the car they are NOT covered. If from the OUTSIDE, they ARE covered, less the $500 deductible

  143. @Radford
    Your inability to think with subtlety could be irritating, but as an educator I long ago developed patience with that.

    If there had been a referendum in the South in 1962 as to whether to desegregate, obviously the vote would have been "No" and I am reasonably sure that my parents would have voted that way. I might have as well. However, what happened in my case and in my father's case is that loud-mouthed SOBs got in our faces when we tried to discuss the issue in rational and moral terms, and then they threatened us with violence. Not exactly the way to win hearts and minds, eh.

    Secondly, your claim that the outcome was all too obvious is 20-20-hindsight bullshit. You didn't know that welfare would be granted to fund black baby production. You didn't know that the sexual revolution would occur. You didn't know that affirmative action would be instituted. You didn't know that Section 8 would be instituted. You didn't know that semi-autos would replace Saturday night specials. You didn't know that smoking cocaine as "crack" would make it more addictive. You didn't know that your sainted white population would become druggies and fund empires of black criminals in the process.

    Do a thought experiment. Ask yourself whether desegregation could have been relatively benign if all the other changes I list above had not occurred. There are plenty of middle-class blacks with stable families and incomes not derived from government jobs. The problem is the lower half of the black IQ distribution who were susceptible to the changes above, and who you apparently believe constitute the entire black population. You paint blacks with such a broad brush that it makes me think that your problem is that you can't afford White Flight. If your black neighbors are too obnoxious, I've heard that Southerners can move from Point A to Point B.

    When I was growing up in SanFranciso blacks were between 7 and 10% of the population. San Francisco was never, ever segregated.

    Yet they were dangerous and raucous. From about 1950 on that small population committed most of the crime and their savage yout destroyed 2 high schools, Balboa and Polytechnic. By 1970 blacks committed over 95% of the crimes in the county.

    They also committed almost all the child abuse in the county. It’s hard for non blacks to realize the way blacks raise their children. It seems to be just beat burn screech and rape. If momma’s boyfriends don’t get the 12 year old girls pregnant the girl’s brothers, full and half sibs do the job.

    They destroyed several entire neighborhoods. They literally and actually took over several of those neighborhoods by force violence and terrorism in the late 1940s and 1950s. They destroyed western addition Fillmore an area of drop dead gorgeous 1880s pre earthquake homes. They made the bus system a nightmare.

    All this happened long before desegregation, the crack epidemic extended generous welfare and all the things you blame black criminality and disfunction on.

    I was a probation officer. By the early 1980s, after 15 years of affirmative action I couldn’t help but notice that many mammas of the 18-30 year old criminals were affirmative action government workers.

    If you’ve ever worked with black women you would have noticed that they spend a great deal of their time dealing with their sons arrests, court hearings, parole hearings etc. listen to them on Monday mornings talking about their weekends. Where do they spend weekends? Visiting their baby daddies, boyfriends and sons in county jail or a nearby state prison.

    Blacks were a destructive force long before those things you mentioned. Just look at their children on buses, waiting for buses, MacDonald’s libraries, playgrounds wherever they go.

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