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If you want a blueprint for where life in the USA is headed, look no further than Foreign Policy magazine, where they advocate implementing racial justice straight from the South Africa playbook. [Put Racial Justice at Center of the Biden-Harris Transition Plan: The new administration doesn’t have to reinvent the wheel—it can learn from South Africa’s experience with transitional justice., Foreign Policy, January 28, 2021]:

One week into their term, U.S. President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris have already made good on several campaign promises. Since their inauguration, they have reentered the Paris climate accord, renewed U.S. support for the World Health Organization, and ended the Trump administration’s travel bans targeting nationals of select Muslim-majority and African nations. Racial justice is next on the list of issues that they have identified as most pressing and requiring action in their first 100 days.

On Tuesday Biden rolled out his administration’s first steps to advance racial equity and promote national unity and reconciliation. He issued four executive orders spanning issues that affect multiple racial and ethnic minority groups in the United States, namely Black, Latino, Indigenous, Asian, and Pacific Islander Americans.

The first executive order directs the Department of Housing and Urban Development to remedy racism in federal housing policy and practice, while the second instructs the Department of Justice to end contracts with private prisons. The third renews the federal government’s “commitment to tribal sovereignty and consultation” and the fourth orders the Department of Justice to combat anti-Asian racism and xenophobia. Beyond the four orders, Biden and Harris have called for a whole-of-government approach to redressing structural racism and systemic inequality.

Biden opened his remarks on Tuesday by acknowledging racial disparities in health and the economy, noting disproportionate rates of coronavirus infections and deaths, food insecurity, and job losses among Americans of color. He invoked the memory of George Floyd, who was killed by Minneapolis police in May 2020 and whose death, Biden affirmed, marked a turning point for the United States. The president admonished, “Now is the time to act” and “[this is] what faith and morality call us to do.”

The administration is off to a strong start, but it has a long way to go. Fortunately, Biden and Harris’s team doesn’t have to reinvent the wheel. Rather, they can look to historical cases of transitional justice in racially divided societies.

To give two examples of how transitional justice could work under a Biden-Harris administration—and the impact it could have on racial justice—consider policy reforms in South Africa during the transition from apartheid and white-minority rule to democracy and Black-majority rule in the mid-1990s.

After nearly 50 years of violence and discrimination against Black and other non-white South Africans, the first post-apartheid government, led by President Nelson Mandela and the African National Congress (ANC), undertook a range of reforms relating to housing and criminal justice. Parts of the Biden plan resemble these early initiatives.

Here’s what worked, what didn’t, and implications for the United States today.

ORDER IT NOW

First, Mandela and the ANC introduced several policies to redress discrimination in housing—from granting developer subsidies to ending redlining, the practice of denying housing loans to entire communities. At the time, the country faced a housing shortage of roughly 1.5 million units and a public housing system in shambles. To fill in the gaps, the new government relied heavily on private-sector investment and the work of non-governmental organizations.

But progress on these policies stalled. Government subsidies did not produce housing quickly enough and disagreement among local, provincial, and national governments further slowed momentum. What housing was developed was far from centers of economic opportunity. Above all, residents denounced the lack of community consultation in the process.

Twenty-six years after the fall of Apartheid and the implementation of racial/transitional justice, the South African Air Force (SAAF) has “no airworthy C-130 Hercules transports available.” Predictions are the SAAF will soon be an “air wing, rather than air force – with personnel but no assets.”

Once the SAAF had a proud history as one of the oldest air forces in the world, but prior to 1994, it was all-white. Thus, it can’t be celebrated. In post-Apartheid South Africa, racial justice (and extreme affirmative action with the SAAF) made the SAAF obsolete.

A nice warning to America for what’s coming as Foreign Policy advocates racial justice as the center of the transitional plan for Biden-Harris.

 
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  1. People used to laugh when I suggested America was gradually moving toward South African type policies because blacks are such a small percent of the population. As we see more and more how black criminal behavior is being decriminalized and radical black groups are being mainstreamed, they won’t be laughing much longer.

    • Agree: Augustus
    • Replies: @neutral
    @HT

    Not just America, the entire world is moving towards a South Africa system.

    Replies: @Polistra

    , @Raccoon
    @HT

    HT, you are not wrong! I have been comparing the USA with South Africa for a number of years, and the sad answer is that South African politics, South African social policies, South African violence, South African destruction of history, and South African despair has a time-line of some ten to fifteen years, and I would be astounded if it were any longer.

    Put it another way - South Africa today is somewhere between ten and fifteen years ahead of the United States, but the outcome is equally inevitable.

    Replies: @AnalogMan

  2. To give two examples of how transitional justice could work under a Biden-Harris administration—and the impact it could have on racial justice—consider policy reforms in South Africa during the transition from apartheid and white-minority rule to democracy and Black-majority rule in the mid-1990s.

    The fever dream of pretending USA 2021 is just coming out of some kind of apartheid regime. 12 years after Black President.

    Who is responsible for pushing the Big Lie?

  3. Two things you can count on: 1) It’s Whitey’s fault. 2) No mention will be made of black crime,black dysfunction, IQ gap. It will be focused on “equity”.

  4. Here’s some random black guy implementing his own “Truth and Reconciliation Commission.”

    https://twitter.com/Elefentis/status/1356522596146114560

  5. This can be summed in one sentence.

    Give it all to the negro.

    It’s going to get tough America. Be proactive and not reactive

    • Agree: Raccoon
  6. ‘Foreign Policy Magazine” – the most expensive brand of toilet paper on the market.

    Also, the only brand of toilet paper whose content actually improves after use.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  7. I would laugh at this if I wasn’t convinced these liberal idiots will refuse to acknowledge the REALITY of South Africa today, due to the policies put in place by Mandela in the 90s. Any person who can look at the current state of failure in S. Africa and say “That’s what I want my country to be like” isn’t fit to lead a parade, let alone run a country.

    There’s a large S. African community in S.Florida, most work in the yachting or maritime industry and I have become friends with quite a few over the years. They all pretty much say the same things about S. Africa and the current state it is in. Many of the younger ones were shipped off by their parents to university, or to stay with relatives in Australia or the US in the early 90s when apartheid ended. The older, professional ones sold or closed their businesses and took their talents to other countries like the US or UAE which was starting it’s construction boom in those days.

    One friend who grew up on a farm, was telling me his parents used to leave out cans of food by their gate so the blacks wouldn’t break into their house. He slept with a loaded rifle next to his bed, as did everyone else in the household, just in case they were attacked. He got shipped off to to the US at 16 to live with his 19 year old sister while she was in college, they had no other family here.

    The S. Africans I know who do go back to visit, usually only go for a month or so every year, and say it is worse and worse every time they go back. They say how depressing it is to see, because geographically, S. Africa is a beautiful country, as is the continent of Africa as a whole, aside from the low IQ, corrupt natives that inhabit it, never cultivated or tamed it, and are now in charge of everything.

    On a positive note, it appears as if either Joe Biden or Kamala must be followers of this blog, because it’s been said on here many times for years how the USA is going to become S. Africa. Looks like this administration is going to do their best to speed up the process and make it so.

    I recommend the readers here get a jump on things and start building fortified walls around your homes, put security bars on all your doors & windows, and get a generator with lots of fuel for when the rolling blackouts hit or power stations fail from lack of maintenance. Might as well pick up a couple Rhodesian Ridgebacks or Boerboels for added security.

    • Agree: Augustus
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Sick 'n Tired

    Well said. I've already cashed out a chunk of my retirement for necessaties. I've been stockpiling ammo and food for awhile. Next up is a generator and the gas to power it. The time is getting here real quick where that reparation word is gonna come out of the white house. At that moment, whitey needs to refuse to goto work, lock their doors, and watch it implode. Maybe then the white guilt segment will realize what they've done. Stay safe out there. It's gonna get nasty

    , @nokangaroos
    @Sick 'n Tired

    They laid waste to the richest and best-governed country on the continent (yes, it took them a bit longer than I thought) ... but at least they landed a few Whites in squatter camps so it was obviously worth it.

    All those dandy security measures are good as long as the State has your back -
    and make no mistake: The US "rule of law" in that respect is far more vulnerable
    (heh) and politicized than the ZA one.
    So it boils down to two questions:
    - How much damage can they do in two years?
    - Will the inevitable backlash be enough? (obviously not in the long term)

    It cannot hurt to buy gold and get a second passport.

    , @AnalogMan
    @Sick 'n Tired

    Ridgebacks were bred by the Shona tribe of Rhodesia for hunting lions. They are notoriously difficult to train. Not stupid, but very independent.

    Boerboels are a Dutch breed that look identical to a Bullmastiff, but couldn't be more different temperamentally. The Bullmastiff is an English breed (40% Bulldog, 60% Mastiff) that was bred as a guard dog against poachers, but in fact is the gentlest dog I know. From my limited experience with Boerboels (a neighbour in South Africa bred them for export to America), they are unpredictable and vicious. I'd be petting them one moment, and the next they'd turn and bite me. I wouldn't trust them, especially not if you have kids.

    If you're looking for a guard dog, be very careful about these breeds.

  8. Biden seems to be paying back his base far more effectively than Trump ever did.

    Why hasn’t a single federal judge that Trump named to the judiciary filed an injunction against any of Biden’s Executive Orders? Are they still playing by the “don’t legislate from the bench” strategy that has worked so well?

    • Replies: @dindunuffins
    @D-FENS

    Because it's all ONE PARTY RULE.....these people are all traitors.

  9. OT- Knockout Game gone wrong?

    • Replies: @D-FENS
    @Anonymous In MD

    I looked at the tweets from Dion Lim. Tweet after tweet showing negro attacks on asians in the San Fagsicko Bay Area. Even a tweet about the spike in crime the new SF District Attorney (((Chesa Boudin))).

    Then a tweet thanking Biden for a bullshit statement about combatting racism against asians.

    Fuck her.

  10. What would such a ‘commission’ do but REINVESTIGATE Emmet Till’s death or that of Schermer, Goodman and Cheney. Why not haul frauds like Al Sharpton, Ben Crump and the admissions offices of the elite universities and compel them to testify under oath?

  11. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Sick 'n Tired
    I would laugh at this if I wasn't convinced these liberal idiots will refuse to acknowledge the REALITY of South Africa today, due to the policies put in place by Mandela in the 90s. Any person who can look at the current state of failure in S. Africa and say "That's what I want my country to be like" isn't fit to lead a parade, let alone run a country.

    There's a large S. African community in S.Florida, most work in the yachting or maritime industry and I have become friends with quite a few over the years. They all pretty much say the same things about S. Africa and the current state it is in. Many of the younger ones were shipped off by their parents to university, or to stay with relatives in Australia or the US in the early 90s when apartheid ended. The older, professional ones sold or closed their businesses and took their talents to other countries like the US or UAE which was starting it's construction boom in those days.

    One friend who grew up on a farm, was telling me his parents used to leave out cans of food by their gate so the blacks wouldn't break into their house. He slept with a loaded rifle next to his bed, as did everyone else in the household, just in case they were attacked. He got shipped off to to the US at 16 to live with his 19 year old sister while she was in college, they had no other family here.

    The S. Africans I know who do go back to visit, usually only go for a month or so every year, and say it is worse and worse every time they go back. They say how depressing it is to see, because geographically, S. Africa is a beautiful country, as is the continent of Africa as a whole, aside from the low IQ, corrupt natives that inhabit it, never cultivated or tamed it, and are now in charge of everything.

    On a positive note, it appears as if either Joe Biden or Kamala must be followers of this blog, because it's been said on here many times for years how the USA is going to become S. Africa. Looks like this administration is going to do their best to speed up the process and make it so.

    I recommend the readers here get a jump on things and start building fortified walls around your homes, put security bars on all your doors & windows, and get a generator with lots of fuel for when the rolling blackouts hit or power stations fail from lack of maintenance. Might as well pick up a couple Rhodesian Ridgebacks or Boerboels for added security.

    Replies: @Anon, @nokangaroos, @AnalogMan

    Well said. I’ve already cashed out a chunk of my retirement for necessaties. I’ve been stockpiling ammo and food for awhile. Next up is a generator and the gas to power it. The time is getting here real quick where that reparation word is gonna come out of the white house. At that moment, whitey needs to refuse to goto work, lock their doors, and watch it implode. Maybe then the white guilt segment will realize what they’ve done. Stay safe out there. It’s gonna get nasty

    • Agree: Sick 'n Tired
  12. When I was a kid growing up in the post WWII America the worst atrocity committed by anyone was the murdering of six million Jews by the Nazis. Even then some people didn’t believe it happened. But most people did, and the reason was given as racism. The Nazis were we were told, were racists. So if we wanted to avoid a similar crime we should avoid thinking there was anything to the concept of race.

    The worst people and worst civilization to have ever existed were probably the ancient Assyrians. I’m not sure about this, perhaps someone who knows more history will want to straighten me out. But if the Nazis weren’t the worst, it wasn’t for lack of trying. Nazis were certainly among the most evil regimes in modern times. But the holocaust wasn’t racism for the simple reason that Jews aren’t a race. Jews – by which I mean conventional Ashkenazi Jews from Russia, Poland and Eastern Europe – are Caucasians like me and probably like you.

    There are conventionally only five races – called the continental races. In Ancient times the Egyptians knew of four races. Whites (like Syrians), Blacks like Ethiopians etc. But they knew nothing yet about Amerindians. Jews are some lower level ethnic classification just like being an Irishman or Spaniard is.

    The Marxists hopped right on the racism theory of evil. One of the reason there is so much skepticism about the Nazi holocaust is because it was overlain with so much Soviet propaganda. But after years of appraisal and reappraisal the murder of six million Jews seems real enough.

    But in the meantime it has become less important (unless you are a Jew). We now seem to accept that Stalin killed 10 million Ukrainians in what we now call the Holodomor (It’s in Wikipedia). And the current figure for Soviet deaths is WWII is 20 million. The Armenians who had been systematically treated to genocide by the Turks in WWI are forgotten because the numbers are getting so much higher now.

    It seems that religious and political differences are more deadly than racism after all.

    The worst error a people can make is not racism at all, it seems to be bad genetics.

    The Soviets rejected conventional genetics and embraced a version of pseudo genetics called Lysenkoism. This led to continual starvation in Russia through crop failures but then the Chinese communists also embraced Lysenko. That led – along with other factors – to the Great Chinese Famine. This happened in the three years I was in High School (1958 thru 1960). Wikipedia estimates that this defective scientific idea killed 55 million people. Other estimates place the body count even higher. This is by far the worst man made death event of all time.

    Racism, contrary to what you have been taught, has never been much of a causus belli. In ancient times they killed their neighbors because of religion not race.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Patrick Boyle

    If you take the Holohoax seriously, go find a 1960's vintage Encyclopedia Britannica.  For more than 20 years after the purported event, it didn't have an entry.  Nor will you find anything in the piece on Nazi Germany.

    We are truly being gaslit by revisionist historians.

    Replies: @Genrick Yagoda, @Patrick Boyle

    , @Bite Moi
    @Patrick Boyle

    Patrick Boyle--------Was Hitler and the National Socialists mad at the Jews because they held religious services on Saturdays? Perhaps it was because the Jewish elite were pushing hard for communism? Far fetched? Check it out. They were also movers and shakers in the Russian communist party. A few million,well more than a few,people were starved to death in the Ukraine.

    Replies: @Patrick Boyle

    , @D-FENS
    @Patrick Boyle

    Pat, I must respectfully and strongly disagree.

    The more I look into it, the more I am convinced that the conventional narrative of the holocaust is BS.

    For years, the “eyewitnesses” have claimed that diesel engines were used at death camps except Auschwitz to produce carbon monoxide gas for the gas chambers. When it was pointed out that diesel engines do not produce significant quantities of carbon monoxide (which is why they are safer in enclosed areas like warehouses and tunnels), they all the sudden say that they may have used gasoline engines even though we have been told to trust the witnesses.

    Why would Auschwitz (and only Auschwitz) use an insecticide that was vital for protecting camp staff from typhus as a killing agent when, right next door was one of the largest chemical production plants in the world?

    How could Rwandans kill nearly 1 million people in 7 weeks without a network of death camps in the 1990s, yet it would take the Germans nearly 4 years to kill 2-3 million by gassing?

    Soviet intelligence had extensively penetrated Germany that they knew the German battle plans before many of the German generals did. Surely they must have discovered something about death camps. Why didn’t they do anything about it?

    Here is probably the best intro to the other side of the story:

    https://archive.org/details/ThomasDaltonDebatingTheHolocaust

    Replies: @Shango, @Patrick Boyle

  13. @Sick 'n Tired
    I would laugh at this if I wasn't convinced these liberal idiots will refuse to acknowledge the REALITY of South Africa today, due to the policies put in place by Mandela in the 90s. Any person who can look at the current state of failure in S. Africa and say "That's what I want my country to be like" isn't fit to lead a parade, let alone run a country.

    There's a large S. African community in S.Florida, most work in the yachting or maritime industry and I have become friends with quite a few over the years. They all pretty much say the same things about S. Africa and the current state it is in. Many of the younger ones were shipped off by their parents to university, or to stay with relatives in Australia or the US in the early 90s when apartheid ended. The older, professional ones sold or closed their businesses and took their talents to other countries like the US or UAE which was starting it's construction boom in those days.

    One friend who grew up on a farm, was telling me his parents used to leave out cans of food by their gate so the blacks wouldn't break into their house. He slept with a loaded rifle next to his bed, as did everyone else in the household, just in case they were attacked. He got shipped off to to the US at 16 to live with his 19 year old sister while she was in college, they had no other family here.

    The S. Africans I know who do go back to visit, usually only go for a month or so every year, and say it is worse and worse every time they go back. They say how depressing it is to see, because geographically, S. Africa is a beautiful country, as is the continent of Africa as a whole, aside from the low IQ, corrupt natives that inhabit it, never cultivated or tamed it, and are now in charge of everything.

    On a positive note, it appears as if either Joe Biden or Kamala must be followers of this blog, because it's been said on here many times for years how the USA is going to become S. Africa. Looks like this administration is going to do their best to speed up the process and make it so.

    I recommend the readers here get a jump on things and start building fortified walls around your homes, put security bars on all your doors & windows, and get a generator with lots of fuel for when the rolling blackouts hit or power stations fail from lack of maintenance. Might as well pick up a couple Rhodesian Ridgebacks or Boerboels for added security.

    Replies: @Anon, @nokangaroos, @AnalogMan

    They laid waste to the richest and best-governed country on the continent (yes, it took them a bit longer than I thought) … but at least they landed a few Whites in squatter camps so it was obviously worth it.

    All those dandy security measures are good as long as the State has your back –
    and make no mistake: The US “rule of law” in that respect is far more vulnerable
    (heh) and politicized than the ZA one.
    So it boils down to two questions:
    – How much damage can they do in two years?
    – Will the inevitable backlash be enough? (obviously not in the long term)

    It cannot hurt to buy gold and get a second passport.

  14. How would it be different from what’s already happening? America already IS South Africa.

    Black couple adopts white girl: white girl gets murdered.

    White couple adopts black girl: white couple gets murdered.

    Whites always lose.

    https://konniemoments.com/2020/04/08/suspect-in-murder-of-univ-of-wisconsin-doctor-and-her-husband-was-living-with-the-prime-suspect-mimi-carre-18-is-under-investigation-for-her-actions-on-the-night-her-parents-were-killed/

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/wisconsin-couple-killed-execution-style-daughters-boyfriend-police/story?id=70030343

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Dumbo

    Not really.

    I've been to South Africa. You people are fatter here.

    Replies: @dindunuffins, @Polistra

    , @Female in FL
    @Dumbo

    Here is another example of two stupid whites adopting a negro and realizing it was a big mistake.
    https://www.wnep.com/article/news/local/columbia-county/son-charged-with-homicide-in-shoot-deaths-of-parents-in-columbia-county/523-f6798051-3bb2-4360-8c3e-83fc2993ba3f
    That town is 89% white, neighbors must have been thrilled when the negro showed up.

  15. @HT
    People used to laugh when I suggested America was gradually moving toward South African type policies because blacks are such a small percent of the population. As we see more and more how black criminal behavior is being decriminalized and radical black groups are being mainstreamed, they won't be laughing much longer.

    Replies: @neutral, @Raccoon

    Not just America, the entire world is moving towards a South Africa system.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @neutral

    I don't think Asia is that stupid. Not yet, anyway.

  16. The left complained the South Africa was majority black with White leadership…and that was wrong.

    Following that logic, if this is a majority White country ruled by WHITES, what’s the issue? You & I know the answer but they will never admit that we’re right.

    • Agree: Augustus, Sick 'n Tired
  17. Despite instituting a tough gun control law in 2000, S. Africa still has one of the highest fatality rates by guns in the world. Wonder who’s doing all dat killin? Keeping guns out of the hands of Negros has failed miserably as the black market gun trade and the use of home-made guns has soared.

  18. The USAF is well on its way to emulating the SAAF.

    The USAF Chief of Staff, General Charles Q. Brown:
    https://www.airforcemag.com/afas-vasc-2020-gen-charles-q-brown-jr-chief-of-staff-of-the-air-force/

    The USAF Academy Superintendent:
    https://www.dailypress.com/military/dp-nw-black-general-head-of-air-force-academy-20200924-7pgjf5a4t5hqrfappyds4gsj7y-story.html

    You will find articles like this one about all of the branches of the military:

    USAF Intelligence, Cyber Branch Preps Diversity Strategy
    https://www.airforcemag.com/usaf-intelligence-cyber-branch-preps-diversity-strategy/

    Excerpt:
    “Diversity, equity, inclusion are critical to our success going forward. It’s a national security imperative; it’s in the [Director of National Intelligence’s] principles for professional ethics,” Lt. Gen. Mary F. O’Brien, deputy chief of staff for intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance, and cyber effects operations, said at a Feb. 2 event hosted by the Intelligence National Security Alliance.

    It makes me wonder how my father’s generation won WW II without DIE to lead the way./sarc

    I can’t see why any non-self-hating white person would subject himself (or herself) to being part of the US military today. You already know in advance that they’re going to walk all over you and rub your face in DIE, while picking up the slack for nogs and others who prefer to let Whitey do the work as they goof off and enjoy the unearned praise heaped upon them during Black Hizzry Mumf.

    • Agree: Female in FL, Augustus
  19. OT: The dastardly virus is at it again, attacking our beloved POXs more than others, forcing them to commit crimes even more than usual! Not that it’s their preferred lifestyle and their ultra-liberal county makes excuses for them.

    DC-area carjackings rise due to lifestyle changes precipitated by coronavirus
    https://wtop.com/local/2021/02/dc-area-carjackings-rise-due-to-lifestyle-changes-precipitated-by-coronavirus/

    Surely another heavy tax upon Whitey to fund “programs” for duh keeds is all that is needed to put the little darlings on the path to becoming NASA astronauts and scientists, as well as future mentors for yoofs.

    • Replies: @CDebussey
    @Piglet


    Because of that, she advises anyone who finds themselves confronted for their car to give the suspect what they demand and then immediately call 911.

     

    Screw that, they want my keys they're going to advance fired ammunition to get them.

    I read that warmed over slice of excrement. These people covering for the magic negro chillins and all of their ju ju that they seem to think they have the market cornered on are going to get what they want. And it seems as though it's beginning to pick up speed as to it's arrival. When I go out, if it happens to be at the hands of one of these filthy heathens I really hope I can get my hands on my 1911 in time to at least kill one of them.
    , @Polistra
    @Piglet


    DC-area carjackings rise due to lifestyle changes precipitated by coronavirus
     
    Each time you think you've heard it all, they're back with more. They'll go to any length--any--to ensure that the people responsible for violent crime are never held responsible.

    BTW, I like "POXs" thanks for that.

  20. @Dumbo
    How would it be different from what's already happening? America already IS South Africa.

    Black couple adopts white girl: white girl gets murdered.

    White couple adopts black girl: white couple gets murdered.

    Whites always lose.

    https://konniemoments.com/2020/04/08/suspect-in-murder-of-univ-of-wisconsin-doctor-and-her-husband-was-living-with-the-prime-suspect-mimi-carre-18-is-under-investigation-for-her-actions-on-the-night-her-parents-were-killed/

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/wisconsin-couple-killed-execution-style-daughters-boyfriend-police/story?id=70030343

    Replies: @Truth, @Female in FL

    Not really.

    I’ve been to South Africa. You people are fatter here.

    • Replies: @dindunuffins
    @Truth

    Yup and MAJORITY blacks are the fattest of them all.

    , @Polistra
    @Truth


    I’ve been to South Africa.
     
    Why the heck didn't you stay? Not enough wypipos for ya, right?

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/207436/overweight-and-obesity-rates-for-adults-by-ethnicity/

    Dayum, you people fat!

  21. @Dumbo
    How would it be different from what's already happening? America already IS South Africa.

    Black couple adopts white girl: white girl gets murdered.

    White couple adopts black girl: white couple gets murdered.

    Whites always lose.

    https://konniemoments.com/2020/04/08/suspect-in-murder-of-univ-of-wisconsin-doctor-and-her-husband-was-living-with-the-prime-suspect-mimi-carre-18-is-under-investigation-for-her-actions-on-the-night-her-parents-were-killed/

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/wisconsin-couple-killed-execution-style-daughters-boyfriend-police/story?id=70030343

    Replies: @Truth, @Female in FL

    Here is another example of two stupid whites adopting a negro and realizing it was a big mistake.
    https://www.wnep.com/article/news/local/columbia-county/son-charged-with-homicide-in-shoot-deaths-of-parents-in-columbia-county/523-f6798051-3bb2-4360-8c3e-83fc2993ba3f
    That town is 89% white, neighbors must have been thrilled when the negro showed up.

  22. @Patrick Boyle
    When I was a kid growing up in the post WWII America the worst atrocity committed by anyone was the murdering of six million Jews by the Nazis. Even then some people didn't believe it happened. But most people did, and the reason was given as racism. The Nazis were we were told, were racists. So if we wanted to avoid a similar crime we should avoid thinking there was anything to the concept of race.

    The worst people and worst civilization to have ever existed were probably the ancient Assyrians. I'm not sure about this, perhaps someone who knows more history will want to straighten me out. But if the Nazis weren't the worst, it wasn't for lack of trying. Nazis were certainly among the most evil regimes in modern times. But the holocaust wasn't racism for the simple reason that Jews aren't a race. Jews - by which I mean conventional Ashkenazi Jews from Russia, Poland and Eastern Europe - are Caucasians like me and probably like you.

    There are conventionally only five races - called the continental races. In Ancient times the Egyptians knew of four races. Whites (like Syrians), Blacks like Ethiopians etc. But they knew nothing yet about Amerindians. Jews are some lower level ethnic classification just like being an Irishman or Spaniard is.

    The Marxists hopped right on the racism theory of evil. One of the reason there is so much skepticism about the Nazi holocaust is because it was overlain with so much Soviet propaganda. But after years of appraisal and reappraisal the murder of six million Jews seems real enough.

    But in the meantime it has become less important (unless you are a Jew). We now seem to accept that Stalin killed 10 million Ukrainians in what we now call the Holodomor (It's in Wikipedia). And the current figure for Soviet deaths is WWII is 20 million. The Armenians who had been systematically treated to genocide by the Turks in WWI are forgotten because the numbers are getting so much higher now.

    It seems that religious and political differences are more deadly than racism after all.

    The worst error a people can make is not racism at all, it seems to be bad genetics.

    The Soviets rejected conventional genetics and embraced a version of pseudo genetics called Lysenkoism. This led to continual starvation in Russia through crop failures but then the Chinese communists also embraced Lysenko. That led - along with other factors - to the Great Chinese Famine. This happened in the three years I was in High School (1958 thru 1960). Wikipedia estimates that this defective scientific idea killed 55 million people. Other estimates place the body count even higher. This is by far the worst man made death event of all time.

    Racism, contrary to what you have been taught, has never been much of a causus belli. In ancient times they killed their neighbors because of religion not race.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @Bite Moi, @D-FENS

    If you take the Holohoax seriously, go find a 1960’s vintage Encyclopedia Britannica.  For more than 20 years after the purported event, it didn’t have an entry.  Nor will you find anything in the piece on Nazi Germany.

    We are truly being gaslit by revisionist historians.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
    @Mr. Rational

    Yep. I made a habit of buying old encyclopedia and dictionaries for a while focusing on pre-HolyCo$t era. Not only was the entry for holocaust restricted to the Greek word, burning by fire, Time Magazine ran an article titled Holocaust in 1962. The article was referring to large fires in Brazil.

    But even after the HolyCo$t was invented, there were still large gaps gaps in the story. For example, my early dictionary defines Trebia and Trebuchet, with nothing in between. Meaning they somehow overlooked Treblinka, a place where the mean, wicked Nazis murdered 750,000 Jews, left them to rot in the ground for years, then dug up the moldy, reeking corpses, put them on Jew Hibachis, and burnt them into ashes by holding a match to the toe of a Jew. Because Jews are inflammable, and don't need anything more than other dead Jews in order to light themselves on fire.
    As best I can tell, the HolyCo$t was invented some time in the late 1960's, and cemented into public knowledge by the Movie in 1978 or so.

    , @Patrick Boyle
    @Mr. Rational

    There are different degrees of disbelief about the Nazi treatment of the Jews. As I alluded in my comment, the victorious Russians were prepared to tar the Nazis with every crime they could imagine. So some of the charges were just wild eyed propaganda. When I was a little kid there were a series of books about Nazi atrocities. This was "yellow journalism" in what purported to be just history. Not all of it was true, but some was. Just because the Commies defamed the Nazis didn't mean that the Nazis weren't evil.

    You don't believe that the Nazis killed six million Jews. That figure may have begun as just a guess but the real unknowable figure is probably somewhere around that number. About twenty years ago I read up on Holocaust Denial. I couldn't refute all of the objections unless I were to spend more time and effort than I was willing to. But the major, central point - that there had been a very large genocide - seemed inescapable. There were witnesses - including Patton and Eisenhower. An American unit machined gunned death camp guards. They saw it too.

    As awareness of all the other mass murder events come to light, the Nazi genocide becomes more and more credible. The Nazi Holocaust of the Jews seems to be just one of a series of similar incidents and by no means the worst.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  23. @D-FENS
    Biden seems to be paying back his base far more effectively than Trump ever did.

    Why hasn’t a single federal judge that Trump named to the judiciary filed an injunction against any of Biden’s Executive Orders? Are they still playing by the “don’t legislate from the bench” strategy that has worked so well?

    Replies: @dindunuffins

    Because it’s all ONE PARTY RULE…..these people are all traitors.

  24. @Truth
    @Dumbo

    Not really.

    I've been to South Africa. You people are fatter here.

    Replies: @dindunuffins, @Polistra

    Yup and MAJORITY blacks are the fattest of them all.

    • Agree: europeasant
  25. @Patrick Boyle
    When I was a kid growing up in the post WWII America the worst atrocity committed by anyone was the murdering of six million Jews by the Nazis. Even then some people didn't believe it happened. But most people did, and the reason was given as racism. The Nazis were we were told, were racists. So if we wanted to avoid a similar crime we should avoid thinking there was anything to the concept of race.

    The worst people and worst civilization to have ever existed were probably the ancient Assyrians. I'm not sure about this, perhaps someone who knows more history will want to straighten me out. But if the Nazis weren't the worst, it wasn't for lack of trying. Nazis were certainly among the most evil regimes in modern times. But the holocaust wasn't racism for the simple reason that Jews aren't a race. Jews - by which I mean conventional Ashkenazi Jews from Russia, Poland and Eastern Europe - are Caucasians like me and probably like you.

    There are conventionally only five races - called the continental races. In Ancient times the Egyptians knew of four races. Whites (like Syrians), Blacks like Ethiopians etc. But they knew nothing yet about Amerindians. Jews are some lower level ethnic classification just like being an Irishman or Spaniard is.

    The Marxists hopped right on the racism theory of evil. One of the reason there is so much skepticism about the Nazi holocaust is because it was overlain with so much Soviet propaganda. But after years of appraisal and reappraisal the murder of six million Jews seems real enough.

    But in the meantime it has become less important (unless you are a Jew). We now seem to accept that Stalin killed 10 million Ukrainians in what we now call the Holodomor (It's in Wikipedia). And the current figure for Soviet deaths is WWII is 20 million. The Armenians who had been systematically treated to genocide by the Turks in WWI are forgotten because the numbers are getting so much higher now.

    It seems that religious and political differences are more deadly than racism after all.

    The worst error a people can make is not racism at all, it seems to be bad genetics.

    The Soviets rejected conventional genetics and embraced a version of pseudo genetics called Lysenkoism. This led to continual starvation in Russia through crop failures but then the Chinese communists also embraced Lysenko. That led - along with other factors - to the Great Chinese Famine. This happened in the three years I was in High School (1958 thru 1960). Wikipedia estimates that this defective scientific idea killed 55 million people. Other estimates place the body count even higher. This is by far the worst man made death event of all time.

    Racism, contrary to what you have been taught, has never been much of a causus belli. In ancient times they killed their neighbors because of religion not race.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @Bite Moi, @D-FENS

    Patrick Boyle——–Was Hitler and the National Socialists mad at the Jews because they held religious services on Saturdays? Perhaps it was because the Jewish elite were pushing hard for communism? Far fetched? Check it out. They were also movers and shakers in the Russian communist party. A few million,well more than a few,people were starved to death in the Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Patrick Boyle
    @Bite Moi

    This is an odd comment. I thought it was pretty well accepted that Christians for a lot of centuries hated Jews because of religious differences. The "Christ Killer" business. There is still some of that today in deeply religious catholic families. It doesn't make a a lot of sense because the Romans executed people on crosses not Jews. The Jews stoned those they wished to kill. The Romans were in charge and they performed the execution. The Jews were at worst cheer leaders. There were many Jewish factions who hated each other.

    Of course most of the early communists in Russia had been Jews. Marx was a Jew too. Plenty of liberal Jews are still, more or less, communists today. I hadn't overlooked that obvious point.

    Finally are you saying that Stalin starved only a few million Ukrainians? So it wasn't all that bad?

  26. @Piglet
    OT: The dastardly virus is at it again, attacking our beloved POXs more than others, forcing them to commit crimes even more than usual! Not that it's their preferred lifestyle and their ultra-liberal county makes excuses for them.

    DC-area carjackings rise due to lifestyle changes precipitated by coronavirus
    https://wtop.com/local/2021/02/dc-area-carjackings-rise-due-to-lifestyle-changes-precipitated-by-coronavirus/

    Surely another heavy tax upon Whitey to fund "programs" for duh keeds is all that is needed to put the little darlings on the path to becoming NASA astronauts and scientists, as well as future mentors for yoofs.

    Replies: @CDebussey, @Polistra

    Because of that, she advises anyone who finds themselves confronted for their car to give the suspect what they demand and then immediately call 911.

    Screw that, they want my keys they’re going to advance fired ammunition to get them.

    I read that warmed over slice of excrement. These people covering for the magic negro chillins and all of their ju ju that they seem to think they have the market cornered on are going to get what they want. And it seems as though it’s beginning to pick up speed as to it’s arrival. When I go out, if it happens to be at the hands of one of these filthy heathens I really hope I can get my hands on my 1911 in time to at least kill one of them.

  27. Why are a South African and Zimbabwean advising America on racial justice?

  28. [Put Racial Justice at Center of the Biden-Harris Transition Plan: The new administration doesn’t have to reinvent the wheel—it can learn from South Africa’s experience with transitional

    The authors all work for a subunit of the College of William and Mary. So, the good-will and funds of the public of Virginia is being used for this inane exercise in gaslighting. The lead author is about 28 years old with a newly minted PhD. He’s from Zimbabwe, where this ‘transitional justice’ mess worked out just swimmingly.

  29. @Anonymous In MD
    OT- Knockout Game gone wrong?

    https://twitter.com/dionlimtv/status/1356098895604895745?s=21

    Replies: @D-FENS

    I looked at the tweets from Dion Lim. Tweet after tweet showing negro attacks on asians in the San Fagsicko Bay Area. Even a tweet about the spike in crime the new SF District Attorney (((Chesa Boudin))).

    Then a tweet thanking Biden for a bullshit statement about combatting racism against asians.

    Fuck her.

  30. @Patrick Boyle
    When I was a kid growing up in the post WWII America the worst atrocity committed by anyone was the murdering of six million Jews by the Nazis. Even then some people didn't believe it happened. But most people did, and the reason was given as racism. The Nazis were we were told, were racists. So if we wanted to avoid a similar crime we should avoid thinking there was anything to the concept of race.

    The worst people and worst civilization to have ever existed were probably the ancient Assyrians. I'm not sure about this, perhaps someone who knows more history will want to straighten me out. But if the Nazis weren't the worst, it wasn't for lack of trying. Nazis were certainly among the most evil regimes in modern times. But the holocaust wasn't racism for the simple reason that Jews aren't a race. Jews - by which I mean conventional Ashkenazi Jews from Russia, Poland and Eastern Europe - are Caucasians like me and probably like you.

    There are conventionally only five races - called the continental races. In Ancient times the Egyptians knew of four races. Whites (like Syrians), Blacks like Ethiopians etc. But they knew nothing yet about Amerindians. Jews are some lower level ethnic classification just like being an Irishman or Spaniard is.

    The Marxists hopped right on the racism theory of evil. One of the reason there is so much skepticism about the Nazi holocaust is because it was overlain with so much Soviet propaganda. But after years of appraisal and reappraisal the murder of six million Jews seems real enough.

    But in the meantime it has become less important (unless you are a Jew). We now seem to accept that Stalin killed 10 million Ukrainians in what we now call the Holodomor (It's in Wikipedia). And the current figure for Soviet deaths is WWII is 20 million. The Armenians who had been systematically treated to genocide by the Turks in WWI are forgotten because the numbers are getting so much higher now.

    It seems that religious and political differences are more deadly than racism after all.

    The worst error a people can make is not racism at all, it seems to be bad genetics.

    The Soviets rejected conventional genetics and embraced a version of pseudo genetics called Lysenkoism. This led to continual starvation in Russia through crop failures but then the Chinese communists also embraced Lysenko. That led - along with other factors - to the Great Chinese Famine. This happened in the three years I was in High School (1958 thru 1960). Wikipedia estimates that this defective scientific idea killed 55 million people. Other estimates place the body count even higher. This is by far the worst man made death event of all time.

    Racism, contrary to what you have been taught, has never been much of a causus belli. In ancient times they killed their neighbors because of religion not race.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @Bite Moi, @D-FENS

    Pat, I must respectfully and strongly disagree.

    The more I look into it, the more I am convinced that the conventional narrative of the holocaust is BS.

    For years, the “eyewitnesses” have claimed that diesel engines were used at death camps except Auschwitz to produce carbon monoxide gas for the gas chambers. When it was pointed out that diesel engines do not produce significant quantities of carbon monoxide (which is why they are safer in enclosed areas like warehouses and tunnels), they all the sudden say that they may have used gasoline engines even though we have been told to trust the witnesses.

    Why would Auschwitz (and only Auschwitz) use an insecticide that was vital for protecting camp staff from typhus as a killing agent when, right next door was one of the largest chemical production plants in the world?

    How could Rwandans kill nearly 1 million people in 7 weeks without a network of death camps in the 1990s, yet it would take the Germans nearly 4 years to kill 2-3 million by gassing?

    Soviet intelligence had extensively penetrated Germany that they knew the German battle plans before many of the German generals did. Surely they must have discovered something about death camps. Why didn’t they do anything about it?

    Here is probably the best intro to the other side of the story:

    https://archive.org/details/ThomasDaltonDebatingTheHolocaust

    • Replies: @Shango
    @D-FENS

    Why would the soviets do anything, if they found out that they were doing those things?

    Replies: @D-FENS

    , @Patrick Boyle
    @D-FENS

    I thought I already admitted that a lot of the Holocaust narrative was bogus. I'm sure you know such matters much better than I do. I read a lot about WWII, but not the politics. I follow tank blogs and warbird blogs.

    I used to supervise a staff of all Russian and Ukrainian coders. I discovered that the real anti-Semites are Ukrainians - more than Nazi Germans or the Dreyfus era French. The Russians still hate the Germans and will for quite some time. They talked about it constantly. I find it easy to believe that much of fantastic and illogical holocaust material was fabricated by the Soviet government and/or a horde of Slavic Nazi haters. But there were too many witnesses and too many survivors for it all to have been a hoax. At least that was my conclusion when I looked into it years ago.

  31. @Mr. Rational
    @Patrick Boyle

    If you take the Holohoax seriously, go find a 1960's vintage Encyclopedia Britannica.  For more than 20 years after the purported event, it didn't have an entry.  Nor will you find anything in the piece on Nazi Germany.

    We are truly being gaslit by revisionist historians.

    Replies: @Genrick Yagoda, @Patrick Boyle

    Yep. I made a habit of buying old encyclopedia and dictionaries for a while focusing on pre-HolyCo$t era. Not only was the entry for holocaust restricted to the Greek word, burning by fire, Time Magazine ran an article titled Holocaust in 1962. The article was referring to large fires in Brazil.

    But even after the HolyCo$t was invented, there were still large gaps gaps in the story. For example, my early dictionary defines Trebia and Trebuchet, with nothing in between. Meaning they somehow overlooked Treblinka, a place where the mean, wicked Nazis murdered 750,000 Jews, left them to rot in the ground for years, then dug up the moldy, reeking corpses, put them on Jew Hibachis, and burnt them into ashes by holding a match to the toe of a Jew. Because Jews are inflammable, and don’t need anything more than other dead Jews in order to light themselves on fire.
    As best I can tell, the HolyCo$t was invented some time in the late 1960’s, and cemented into public knowledge by the Movie in 1978 or so.

    • Thanks: Mr. Rational
  32. @Bite Moi
    @Patrick Boyle

    Patrick Boyle--------Was Hitler and the National Socialists mad at the Jews because they held religious services on Saturdays? Perhaps it was because the Jewish elite were pushing hard for communism? Far fetched? Check it out. They were also movers and shakers in the Russian communist party. A few million,well more than a few,people were starved to death in the Ukraine.

    Replies: @Patrick Boyle

    This is an odd comment. I thought it was pretty well accepted that Christians for a lot of centuries hated Jews because of religious differences. The “Christ Killer” business. There is still some of that today in deeply religious catholic families. It doesn’t make a a lot of sense because the Romans executed people on crosses not Jews. The Jews stoned those they wished to kill. The Romans were in charge and they performed the execution. The Jews were at worst cheer leaders. There were many Jewish factions who hated each other.

    Of course most of the early communists in Russia had been Jews. Marx was a Jew too. Plenty of liberal Jews are still, more or less, communists today. I hadn’t overlooked that obvious point.

    Finally are you saying that Stalin starved only a few million Ukrainians? So it wasn’t all that bad?

  33. @neutral
    @HT

    Not just America, the entire world is moving towards a South Africa system.

    Replies: @Polistra

    I don’t think Asia is that stupid. Not yet, anyway.

  34. @Mr. Rational
    @Patrick Boyle

    If you take the Holohoax seriously, go find a 1960's vintage Encyclopedia Britannica.  For more than 20 years after the purported event, it didn't have an entry.  Nor will you find anything in the piece on Nazi Germany.

    We are truly being gaslit by revisionist historians.

    Replies: @Genrick Yagoda, @Patrick Boyle

    There are different degrees of disbelief about the Nazi treatment of the Jews. As I alluded in my comment, the victorious Russians were prepared to tar the Nazis with every crime they could imagine. So some of the charges were just wild eyed propaganda. When I was a little kid there were a series of books about Nazi atrocities. This was “yellow journalism” in what purported to be just history. Not all of it was true, but some was. Just because the Commies defamed the Nazis didn’t mean that the Nazis weren’t evil.

    You don’t believe that the Nazis killed six million Jews. That figure may have begun as just a guess but the real unknowable figure is probably somewhere around that number. About twenty years ago I read up on Holocaust Denial. I couldn’t refute all of the objections unless I were to spend more time and effort than I was willing to. But the major, central point – that there had been a very large genocide – seemed inescapable. There were witnesses – including Patton and Eisenhower. An American unit machined gunned death camp guards. They saw it too.

    As awareness of all the other mass murder events come to light, the Nazi genocide becomes more and more credible. The Nazi Holocaust of the Jews seems to be just one of a series of similar incidents and by no means the worst.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Patrick Boyle


    But the major, central point – that there had been a very large genocide – seemed inescapable.
     
    Have you looked at the census numbers, pre- and post-war?  They are roughly the same.  There never COULD have been a genocide.

    Maybe there SHOULD have been, for the lies.  I, for one, am enraged.

    Replies: @Patrick Boyle

  35. @Piglet
    OT: The dastardly virus is at it again, attacking our beloved POXs more than others, forcing them to commit crimes even more than usual! Not that it's their preferred lifestyle and their ultra-liberal county makes excuses for them.

    DC-area carjackings rise due to lifestyle changes precipitated by coronavirus
    https://wtop.com/local/2021/02/dc-area-carjackings-rise-due-to-lifestyle-changes-precipitated-by-coronavirus/

    Surely another heavy tax upon Whitey to fund "programs" for duh keeds is all that is needed to put the little darlings on the path to becoming NASA astronauts and scientists, as well as future mentors for yoofs.

    Replies: @CDebussey, @Polistra

    DC-area carjackings rise due to lifestyle changes precipitated by coronavirus

    Each time you think you’ve heard it all, they’re back with more. They’ll go to any length–any–to ensure that the people responsible for violent crime are never held responsible.

    BTW, I like “POXs” thanks for that.

  36. @Truth
    @Dumbo

    Not really.

    I've been to South Africa. You people are fatter here.

    Replies: @dindunuffins, @Polistra

    I’ve been to South Africa.

    Why the heck didn’t you stay? Not enough wypipos for ya, right?

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/207436/overweight-and-obesity-rates-for-adults-by-ethnicity/

    Dayum, you people fat!

    • LOL: Augustus
  37. @Sick 'n Tired
    I would laugh at this if I wasn't convinced these liberal idiots will refuse to acknowledge the REALITY of South Africa today, due to the policies put in place by Mandela in the 90s. Any person who can look at the current state of failure in S. Africa and say "That's what I want my country to be like" isn't fit to lead a parade, let alone run a country.

    There's a large S. African community in S.Florida, most work in the yachting or maritime industry and I have become friends with quite a few over the years. They all pretty much say the same things about S. Africa and the current state it is in. Many of the younger ones were shipped off by their parents to university, or to stay with relatives in Australia or the US in the early 90s when apartheid ended. The older, professional ones sold or closed their businesses and took their talents to other countries like the US or UAE which was starting it's construction boom in those days.

    One friend who grew up on a farm, was telling me his parents used to leave out cans of food by their gate so the blacks wouldn't break into their house. He slept with a loaded rifle next to his bed, as did everyone else in the household, just in case they were attacked. He got shipped off to to the US at 16 to live with his 19 year old sister while she was in college, they had no other family here.

    The S. Africans I know who do go back to visit, usually only go for a month or so every year, and say it is worse and worse every time they go back. They say how depressing it is to see, because geographically, S. Africa is a beautiful country, as is the continent of Africa as a whole, aside from the low IQ, corrupt natives that inhabit it, never cultivated or tamed it, and are now in charge of everything.

    On a positive note, it appears as if either Joe Biden or Kamala must be followers of this blog, because it's been said on here many times for years how the USA is going to become S. Africa. Looks like this administration is going to do their best to speed up the process and make it so.

    I recommend the readers here get a jump on things and start building fortified walls around your homes, put security bars on all your doors & windows, and get a generator with lots of fuel for when the rolling blackouts hit or power stations fail from lack of maintenance. Might as well pick up a couple Rhodesian Ridgebacks or Boerboels for added security.

    Replies: @Anon, @nokangaroos, @AnalogMan

    Ridgebacks were bred by the Shona tribe of Rhodesia for hunting lions. They are notoriously difficult to train. Not stupid, but very independent.

    Boerboels are a Dutch breed that look identical to a Bullmastiff, but couldn’t be more different temperamentally. The Bullmastiff is an English breed (40% Bulldog, 60% Mastiff) that was bred as a guard dog against poachers, but in fact is the gentlest dog I know. From my limited experience with Boerboels (a neighbour in South Africa bred them for export to America), they are unpredictable and vicious. I’d be petting them one moment, and the next they’d turn and bite me. I wouldn’t trust them, especially not if you have kids.

    If you’re looking for a guard dog, be very careful about these breeds.

  38. Ben & Jerry’s Displays Billboard, Mural Honoring Kaepernick in Tampa

  39. @HT
    People used to laugh when I suggested America was gradually moving toward South African type policies because blacks are such a small percent of the population. As we see more and more how black criminal behavior is being decriminalized and radical black groups are being mainstreamed, they won't be laughing much longer.

    Replies: @neutral, @Raccoon

    HT, you are not wrong! I have been comparing the USA with South Africa for a number of years, and the sad answer is that South African politics, South African social policies, South African violence, South African destruction of history, and South African despair has a time-line of some ten to fifteen years, and I would be astounded if it were any longer.

    Put it another way – South Africa today is somewhere between ten and fifteen years ahead of the United States, but the outcome is equally inevitable.

    • Agree: Female in FL
    • Replies: @AnalogMan
    @Raccoon

    Adam Smith, the economist, famously said "There is a lot of ruin in a nation". Especially in a nation as rich and powerful as America. You have a long way to go before you reach the state of South Africa. The Babuntus have had uncontested control there for nearly thirty years. I don't think most of you people have the vaguest idea how bad things are there.

    Of course, with America being the rich prize that it is, it will attract a more professional and competent class of scavengers to strip its corpse, but still, I think it will take a bit longer than fifteen years. I do agree, though, that America has passed a tipping point and will require radical measures to reverse its decline; the outcome may indeed be inevitable.

    Replies: @The Soft Parade

  40. @Patrick Boyle
    @Mr. Rational

    There are different degrees of disbelief about the Nazi treatment of the Jews. As I alluded in my comment, the victorious Russians were prepared to tar the Nazis with every crime they could imagine. So some of the charges were just wild eyed propaganda. When I was a little kid there were a series of books about Nazi atrocities. This was "yellow journalism" in what purported to be just history. Not all of it was true, but some was. Just because the Commies defamed the Nazis didn't mean that the Nazis weren't evil.

    You don't believe that the Nazis killed six million Jews. That figure may have begun as just a guess but the real unknowable figure is probably somewhere around that number. About twenty years ago I read up on Holocaust Denial. I couldn't refute all of the objections unless I were to spend more time and effort than I was willing to. But the major, central point - that there had been a very large genocide - seemed inescapable. There were witnesses - including Patton and Eisenhower. An American unit machined gunned death camp guards. They saw it too.

    As awareness of all the other mass murder events come to light, the Nazi genocide becomes more and more credible. The Nazi Holocaust of the Jews seems to be just one of a series of similar incidents and by no means the worst.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    But the major, central point – that there had been a very large genocide – seemed inescapable.

    Have you looked at the census numbers, pre- and post-war?  They are roughly the same.  There never COULD have been a genocide.

    Maybe there SHOULD have been, for the lies.  I, for one, am enraged.

    • Replies: @Patrick Boyle
    @Mr. Rational

    I don't want you to get you upset. I guess I'm too late with that particular wish.

  41. @D-FENS
    @Patrick Boyle

    Pat, I must respectfully and strongly disagree.

    The more I look into it, the more I am convinced that the conventional narrative of the holocaust is BS.

    For years, the “eyewitnesses” have claimed that diesel engines were used at death camps except Auschwitz to produce carbon monoxide gas for the gas chambers. When it was pointed out that diesel engines do not produce significant quantities of carbon monoxide (which is why they are safer in enclosed areas like warehouses and tunnels), they all the sudden say that they may have used gasoline engines even though we have been told to trust the witnesses.

    Why would Auschwitz (and only Auschwitz) use an insecticide that was vital for protecting camp staff from typhus as a killing agent when, right next door was one of the largest chemical production plants in the world?

    How could Rwandans kill nearly 1 million people in 7 weeks without a network of death camps in the 1990s, yet it would take the Germans nearly 4 years to kill 2-3 million by gassing?

    Soviet intelligence had extensively penetrated Germany that they knew the German battle plans before many of the German generals did. Surely they must have discovered something about death camps. Why didn’t they do anything about it?

    Here is probably the best intro to the other side of the story:

    https://archive.org/details/ThomasDaltonDebatingTheHolocaust

    Replies: @Shango, @Patrick Boyle

    Why would the soviets do anything, if they found out that they were doing those things?

    • Replies: @D-FENS
    @Shango

    Propaganda purposes. Just like they tried to pin the Katyn massacre on the Germans.

  42. @D-FENS
    @Patrick Boyle

    Pat, I must respectfully and strongly disagree.

    The more I look into it, the more I am convinced that the conventional narrative of the holocaust is BS.

    For years, the “eyewitnesses” have claimed that diesel engines were used at death camps except Auschwitz to produce carbon monoxide gas for the gas chambers. When it was pointed out that diesel engines do not produce significant quantities of carbon monoxide (which is why they are safer in enclosed areas like warehouses and tunnels), they all the sudden say that they may have used gasoline engines even though we have been told to trust the witnesses.

    Why would Auschwitz (and only Auschwitz) use an insecticide that was vital for protecting camp staff from typhus as a killing agent when, right next door was one of the largest chemical production plants in the world?

    How could Rwandans kill nearly 1 million people in 7 weeks without a network of death camps in the 1990s, yet it would take the Germans nearly 4 years to kill 2-3 million by gassing?

    Soviet intelligence had extensively penetrated Germany that they knew the German battle plans before many of the German generals did. Surely they must have discovered something about death camps. Why didn’t they do anything about it?

    Here is probably the best intro to the other side of the story:

    https://archive.org/details/ThomasDaltonDebatingTheHolocaust

    Replies: @Shango, @Patrick Boyle

    I thought I already admitted that a lot of the Holocaust narrative was bogus. I’m sure you know such matters much better than I do. I read a lot about WWII, but not the politics. I follow tank blogs and warbird blogs.

    I used to supervise a staff of all Russian and Ukrainian coders. I discovered that the real anti-Semites are Ukrainians – more than Nazi Germans or the Dreyfus era French. The Russians still hate the Germans and will for quite some time. They talked about it constantly. I find it easy to believe that much of fantastic and illogical holocaust material was fabricated by the Soviet government and/or a horde of Slavic Nazi haters. But there were too many witnesses and too many survivors for it all to have been a hoax. At least that was my conclusion when I looked into it years ago.

  43. @Mr. Rational
    @Patrick Boyle


    But the major, central point – that there had been a very large genocide – seemed inescapable.
     
    Have you looked at the census numbers, pre- and post-war?  They are roughly the same.  There never COULD have been a genocide.

    Maybe there SHOULD have been, for the lies.  I, for one, am enraged.

    Replies: @Patrick Boyle

    I don’t want you to get you upset. I guess I’m too late with that particular wish.

  44. @Shango
    @D-FENS

    Why would the soviets do anything, if they found out that they were doing those things?

    Replies: @D-FENS

    Propaganda purposes. Just like they tried to pin the Katyn massacre on the Germans.

  45. @Raccoon
    @HT

    HT, you are not wrong! I have been comparing the USA with South Africa for a number of years, and the sad answer is that South African politics, South African social policies, South African violence, South African destruction of history, and South African despair has a time-line of some ten to fifteen years, and I would be astounded if it were any longer.

    Put it another way - South Africa today is somewhere between ten and fifteen years ahead of the United States, but the outcome is equally inevitable.

    Replies: @AnalogMan

    Adam Smith, the economist, famously said “There is a lot of ruin in a nation”. Especially in a nation as rich and powerful as America. You have a long way to go before you reach the state of South Africa. The Babuntus have had uncontested control there for nearly thirty years. I don’t think most of you people have the vaguest idea how bad things are there.

    Of course, with America being the rich prize that it is, it will attract a more professional and competent class of scavengers to strip its corpse, but still, I think it will take a bit longer than fifteen years. I do agree, though, that America has passed a tipping point and will require radical measures to reverse its decline; the outcome may indeed be inevitable.

    • Replies: @The Soft Parade
    @AnalogMan


    I don’t think most of you people have the vaguest idea how bad things are there.
     
    As Maynard G. Krebbs used to say, "You rang?" We would occasionally bunker in Durban..

    https://www.unz.com/article/white-politics-and-secession-in-south-africa/#comment-4388969

  46. AnalogMan——–Heinlein’s “Starship Troopers” predicted an American crash and burn.”We The People” eventually pull it together and restrict citizenship and the vote to VETERANS.

    • Agree: Augustus
  47. @AnalogMan
    @Raccoon

    Adam Smith, the economist, famously said "There is a lot of ruin in a nation". Especially in a nation as rich and powerful as America. You have a long way to go before you reach the state of South Africa. The Babuntus have had uncontested control there for nearly thirty years. I don't think most of you people have the vaguest idea how bad things are there.

    Of course, with America being the rich prize that it is, it will attract a more professional and competent class of scavengers to strip its corpse, but still, I think it will take a bit longer than fifteen years. I do agree, though, that America has passed a tipping point and will require radical measures to reverse its decline; the outcome may indeed be inevitable.

    Replies: @The Soft Parade

    I don’t think most of you people have the vaguest idea how bad things are there.

    As Maynard G. Krebbs used to say, “You rang?” We would occasionally bunker in Durban..

    https://www.unz.com/article/white-politics-and-secession-in-south-africa/#comment-4388969

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