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As everyone knows, over the last couple of decades California has become a one-party Democratic state. Democrats hold a better than three-fourths hyper-majority in the State Assembly and their control is nearly as overwhelming in the State Senate. California has our nation’s largest Congressional delegation, but of its 53 members only seven are Republican.

Not only is every statewide officeholder a Democrat, but no Republican has won such a race in almost 15 years, with many of the recent contests not even featuring a Republican on the November ballot. The once-proud Republican Party of Reagan and Nixon has been reduced to almost total irrelevance.

This same pattern has held in national elections, with Donald Trump losing the 2016 California vote by a remarkable 30 points and the most recent polling data suggesting a similar outcome this November.

Except for tiny Hawaii, California is now America’s most heavily non-white state, with our white European population reduced to little more than 30% of the total. But such demographic factors explain only part of those lop-sided 2016 election results since white Californians supported Trump at a rate 20-25 points lower than whites in the rest of the country. If America’s entire white national electorate had voted like its Golden State counterpart, Trump would have lost all fifty states, mostly by huge landslides, and suffered by far the greatest electoral disaster in American history. All the Trump-hating pundits would have spent Election Night laughing and saying “I told you so!”

Although liberal domination of California state politics is not quite as absolute as Democratic control, the state is certainly very liberal, with our elected officials supporting all sorts of causes and policies that would be anathema in much of the rest of the country.

Given these political realities and expecting a heavy November turnout, state Democratic leaders believed they had the perfect opportunity this year to undo one of the last hated legacies of Republican Gov. Pete Wilson, the Prop. 209 ban on governmental Affirmative Action, passed into law by a relatively narrow 55% to 45% margin in 1996. Democrats felt quite confident that a full generation of demographic and ideological shifts had totally transformed the electorate, allowing them to win a resounding victory for “racial diversity” at the ballot box.

The plan to restore Affirmative Action became an unstoppable political juggernaut, with the Assembly voting 60-14 and the Senate 30-10 to place Prop. 16 on the November ballot, repealing Prop. 209. The project enjoyed the strong support of popular Gov. Gavin Newsom and nearly all other prominent political leaders, as well as the unanimous backing of the UC Board of Regents and the heads of all three public higher education systems. Leading sports teams such as the San Francisco Giants and the Golden State Warriors added their endorsements.

California’s Attorney-General is a liberal Democrat, and his office provided what seemed like a slam-dunk official title description for the ballot measure: “Allows Diversity as a Factor in Public Employment, Education, and Contracting Decisions.” In this day and age, what California voter could possibly oppose “Diversity”?

 

So much for theory. PPIC, California’s leading public policy thinktank, just released the first major poll on the November vote, and our morning newspapers revealed that the attempt to restore Affirmative Action will probably lose, perhaps even by a huge landslide.

The traditional rule in California politics is that support for a ballot measure steadily declines as Election Day approaches, with undecideds overwhelmingly breaking No. Therefore, at this stage a successful measure should probably have a lead of at least 10 points. For example, experts believe that Prop. 15—a split-roll tax initiative—appears to be in trouble given its weak 51% support.

Meanwhile, only 31% of voters are currently backing Prop. 16, aimed at restoring Affirmative Action. Anything might still happen, but those are dismal numbers just a couple of weeks before ballots are mailed out.

The demographic distribution of support also tells an interesting story. Whites are probably one-third or less of California residents, but for reasons of age and naturalization, they still constitute a slight majority of likely voters, and only 26% of whites support Prop. 16. It appears that most white California Democrats refuse to support Affirmative Action.

Latinos are California’s largest group, currently representing 40% of the total population and perhaps eventually rising to an outright majority according to some projections. Only 41% of Latinos seem to support Affirmative Action.

Asians have been the group most strongly opposed to the restoration of Affirmative Action, fearing that racial discrimination would exclude their children from Berkeley, UCLA, and other top UC campuses, and a few years ago their vocal opposition had blocked a previous attempt to repeal Prop. 209. PPIC polls normally break out their Asian numbers, but in this instance Asians and blacks were lumped together, registering a combined 40% support for Prop. 16. Perhaps PPIC feared that revealing Asians (and blacks) as extreme outliers on this divisive issue would produce bitter feelings. Since Asian respondents outnumbered blacks by more than 2-to-1 and probably showed very little support for Prop. 16, it seems likely that black support for Affirmative Action was overwhelming, probably in the 60-70% range.

The low level of Hispanic support for Affirmative Action may surprise many rightwingers, but it makes perfect sense. The overwhelming majority of Hispanics work in the private sector, often in small businesses where most or all of the other employees are also Hispanic. If you and most of your coworkers are Hispanic, Affirmative Action is simply meaningless.

Prop. 209 had required color-blind university admissions since 1996, but Hispanic students have nonetheless still done rather well over the last couple of decades, actually overtaking whites in University of California admissions a few years ago, though still heavily outnumbered by Asians at Berkeley and UCLA. Hispanic families seem quite satisfied with this situation, and have provided no grassroots support for restoring Affirmative Action in university admissions.

With the exception of a tiny sliver of “professional Hispanics” who have made an entire career out of their ethnicity, Affirmative Action has never historically been much of a Hispanic issue. Indeed, I once noted the strong support Pete Wilson had received in his first 1990 campaign for governor.

Although Hispanic and Asian numbers had been growing steadily for years, their support for Republicans had been growing as well, and by the early 1990s, a GOP candidate could regularly expect to receive around one-third or more of the Hispanic vote and half that of the Asian. For example, Pete Wilson’s narrow 1990 gubernatorial victory over Dianne Feinstein, which significantly relied upon his criticism of “racial quotas,” was achieved with 53 percent of the white vote, 47 percent of the Hispanic vote, and 58 percent of the Asian vote according to the prestigious California Field Poll used by the New York Times, though others placed his ethnic totals lower.

By contrast, the issue has always been heavily associated with blacks, who represent just 6% of California’s population but nonetheless still seem to receive a greatly disproportionate share of the high-profile “diversity” slots, including the vast financial rewards of plum positions in Hollywood and Silicon Valley.

Political analysts seemed quite surprised by the PPIC poll results, including the low Latino support for Affirmative Action. But they should have remembered the blue-collar Reagan Democrats of the 1980s, who turned against their traditional political party over similar issues. Perhaps over the last generation, more and more Latinos have come to associate “diversity” with stories of friends or relatives sometimes unfairly losing promotions to blacks whom they regarded as less competent.

For obvious reasons, these sorts of “politically-incorrect” private sentiments may not be readily apparent to our political elites, Latino or otherwise. Such individuals spend their time ensconced in the State Capital, working with liberal lobbyists, donors, and political operatives, who provide an entirely different view of the world. And as a result, certain polling numbers may continue to mystify them.

Back in the mid-1990s I remember having lunch with Pat Buchanan in DC. At one point, I mentioned that America’s rapidly-growing Hispanic population had an obvious and natural political leader, based upon such strong affinities in political ideology, cultural traits, personal background, and religion. But fate took a different turn, and Buchanan missed playing his historic role.

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  1. eggplant says:

    “I remember having lunch with Pat Buchanan in DC. At one point, I mentioned that America’s rapidly-growing Hispanic population had an obvious and natural political leader, based upon such strong affinities in political ideology, cultural traits, personal background, and religion. But fate took a different turn, and Buchanan missed playing his historic role.”

    Just listen to yourself. How far up your own arse can you get.

  2. Dr. Charles Fhandrich [AKA "Dr.C. Fhandrich"] says:

    Ron, there has been affirmative action operating in California for going on fifty plus years now. Please, publications like the Los Angeles Times and the ABC channels have been lying to Caucasion Americans for years and years. It was only in the last few years, that the L.A. Times admitted that illegal immigrants in California, do indeed receive taxpayer aid. It’s so tiring for those people in the know to keep debating this nonsense.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    , @Socrates
  3. Dr. Doom says:

    Of course. The banning of standardized tests confirms it.

    But at what COST? Fires, crime and rolling blackouts.

    Its a completely Failed State that NEEDS the Feds to bail them out.

    Those vaporous winds about “surpluses” in the budget soon evaporated and died out.

    After Trump took office, the under the table transfers by The D-Party from Washington stopped.

    This multiracial fantasy CANNOT WORK.

    Its against nature and ignores OBVIOUS REALITIES that can no longer be hidden.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Richard B
    , @Corvinus
  4. anon[203] • Disclaimer says:
    @eggplant

    He’s still a jew, he will always be a jew, and no matter how many “based” takes he makes he’s still jewish, and that’s just how it is.

  5. The low level of Hispanic support for Affirmative Action may surprise many rightwingers, but it makes perfect sense. The overwhelming majority of Hispanics work in the private sector, often in small businesses where most or all of the other employees are also Hispanic. If you and most of your coworkers are Hispanic, Affirmative Action is simply meaningless.

  6. I reckon most Hispanics consider themselves white, even if they reject the label. Divide the world up into two, white and black. Which side will Hispanics break for? Maybe they don’t like whites, but they really don’t like blacks. Affirmative action is a black thing, ergo support for it makes one black; Hispanics hate blacks, and don’t want to be them; ergo, they don’t support affirmative action. Affirmative action is a thing to complain about, not to want.

    Many eggheads will decry the above as illogical, even nonsensical (to say nothing of racist). Maybe they’re right – so what? It’s still true. Political support is a question of how a broad group of people feels, and feelings don’t have to make sense. The above analysis probably better explains the situation than anything else – or maybe it doesn’t, what the fuck do I know? I’m literally in my underpants right now

  7. Diversity advocates and super racists should just all die.

    Maybe USA would finally get on the right course after those two groups are killed off.

  8. Bill P says:

    My best neighbors in my mixed-income neighborhood are Mexicans. The worst are single white females with black progeny and multiple lovers per year. It isn’t even close. The Slavs are pretty decent, but they aren’t all that numerous. The orientals are just passing through.

    The only problem with the Mexicans is that they are politically clueless. Totally out to lunch in that regard. They are a natural conservative constituency, but nobody is talking to them besides me.

    Republicans just need to bone up on Spanish and in the meanwhile make sure the Mexican kids learn English, and the Democrats will be in for a nasty surprise in a few years.

    BTW, I support immigration restriction. I’m pretty sure a lot of Mexican Americans do, too. Anybody who thinks Juan wants to turn his good job laying pipe or hanging sheetrock over to some guy from Guatemala is totally out of touch.

  9. Larry says:

    Stop misusing the word liberal.

    Stop, I beg you.

    There is nothing liberal about Democrats, just like there is nothing tolerant or compassionate to them.

    They punch themselves in the face everyday to prove the point, over and over again.

    Regarding California, it is a sewer and the up-to-date meaning of affirmative action is no more than makeup on feces.

    Like all else, expect tragic delusion from Democrats and you will be correct without fail.

    The real question is why Republicans have done some poorly and their responsibility in this mess.

    Eventually, the grownups will be required to fix the country and conspiracy theories, no matter how soaked in Jew, are not going to cut it.

  10. Marty says:

    That last paragraph is so unbelievably naive. Mexicans never had any desire to look to anyone white for leadership. And Buchanan’s Catholicism was muscular – it had no room for tender feelings or mincing words, whereas Mexicans find free speech almost as terrifying as blacks do.

  11. “Whites only 30% of the population”.

    California was 80% white in 1970. Only fifty years ago.

    • Replies: @VICB3
  12. Excal says:

    … America’s rapidly-growing Hispanic population had an obvious and natural political leader, based upon such strong affinities in political ideology, cultural traits, personal background, and religion. But fate took a different turn, and Buchanan missed playing his historic role.

    There is nothing obviously Hispanic about Buchanan’s personal and cultural background: Southern Catholic on his father’s side, German on his mother’s. As to political ideology, Buchanan is an arch-conservative, which is not something Hispanic voters are known for.

    Buchanan is Catholic, but that is an extremely broad category and a very weak draw, especially considering that most Hispanics are themselves only culturally Catholic. Indeed, Buchanan, who I understand is a Latin Mass-going traditionalist, might make many of them uncomfortable.

    Most people prefer to vote for someone who they feel is one of them. Failing that, they vote for someone who they can trust to work in their interest. It is not clear to me why Hispanics would see Buchanan in either light. I am curious to know more about why you thought that Buchanan would have naturally attracted them to his cause.

    • Agree: Pop Warner, Mark Hunter
  13. slorter says:

    Maybe California should become a separate country then they can own their own successes and failures!

  14. The South preferred McCain to Buchanan, despite his Scots-Irish background. Buchanan was known as a Catholic, even accused by John McLaughlin of attending St. Athanasius (perhaps in jest). It means less to Latin Americans that Pat is Catholic than it means to Southerners. The long history of anti-clericalism in Latin America is one of the reasons for the generally Leftward orientation of the people coming here from there. Perhaps all these ADL orchestrated attacks on Catholic Churches will get Trump some Latin votes. We’ll see.

  15. GMC says:

    Good article – I lost the same job twice because of affirmative action in the ” Democratic Town of Chicago in the 70s. I was working in the trade unions and when the word got out – the second time, even my foreman had to put his name on the ” white guy list”. That pretty much made up my mind to leave Main Street America and move as far away as I could. And I did . Honest people in America don’t stand a chance – and todays events – show it.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman, TKK
  16. This picture’s taken in Africa!

    The rest is extremely embarrassing Photoshop

  17. giftgas says:

    Back in the mid-1990s…his historic role.

    maybe ron isn’t dishonest. maybe he just has severe autism. that would also explain the Burger King thing.

  18. A surprising result! It seems that your reading of Latinos as also-whites was correct if I understood it right. That simplifies the US race politics.

  19. Not picking the best applicant is a sure route first to mediocrity, then incompetence and ultimately failure,

    • Agree: bruce county, AnonFromTN
    • Replies: @HallParvey
  20. @eggplant

    Well listen to yourself. What kind of sick twist of your psyche makes you resent Ron’s chatting with us and conveying the quite discussable idea that a conservative Catholic Republican might have been able to mount and ride a groundswell of Latino voting?

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    , @Alden
  21. meamjojo says:

    Was reading a column recently in the local paper for San Mateo county which mentioned that Republicans are converting to Democrats to be able to run here. I don’t mind that if it will bring some diversity to the Dem control here.

  22. mkr says:

    If the leftists had their way they would force all American children to go to their public schools and to learn these things as if they were the truth:

    1. All white people are racists.

    2. America is a white supremacist country.

    Somehow all white Americans are causing a disproportionately high rate of criminality amongst black Americans as a whole. In addition all white Americans are also causing black Americans as a whole to underperform in societal metrics such as in those regarding health, education, employment, and in interactions with institutions in society including the police.

    If a white person asks the leftists what it is that they can do in order to stop being a racist and to stop being a supremacist the leftist cannot point to any word or any deed that they need to change; their hypothesis is therefore false. Meanwhile most black people are not criminals and millions of black people absolutely outperperform millions of white people in societal metrics. I’m sure successful black people don’t really want to be looked down upon as victims by unsuccessful white people, list goes on really, one really needs to ask why it is that a black person cannot do anything in society, good or bad, without the politicians, the media, and celebrities always bringing up the “black race”. It’s must be awkward to be the one race in America where the person’s race is always mentioned when speaking about them.

    If I were black I’d be particularly outraged, white people are getting it just as bad as the black people too, ever since Obama was leaving and left. Always black person this, white person that, normal people don’t talk that way.

  23. Dumbo says:

    Except for tiny Hawaii, California is now America’s most heavily non-white state, with our white European population reduced to little more than 30% of the total

    What’s not to love…

    I remember years ago watching in downtown Los Angeles a curious event. A rabble-rousing rabbi, together with another Jewish woman (a leader of some left-wing organization or other), were addressing a group of illegal Latinos and inflaming them to “fight for their rights.” Promoting free housing to them, I assume at the expense of the tax-paying white middle class. They spoke no Spanish, and had little knowledge of Latin American history of culture, but of course they peppered their speech with one or two demagogic “buenos días” and “gracias”.

    I never forgot this scene. Since then, I find suspicious any Jew promoting Latino immigration, even Mr. Ron Unz who has provided useful or interesting services in other ways.

    Sure, Latino immigration might be good to rich people, and to Latinos themselves.

    But, in which way massive Mexican immigration to California has made it better for MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE? In what way has it improved traffic, housing, cost of living?

    I left that state many years ago, and I know many other people who are thinking of leaving, especially if the terror reign of Gavin “American Psychopath” Newsom continues.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  24. Anonymous[329] • Disclaimer says:

    Because Pat Buchanan knows that Catholicism isn’t what made America great. There is something else that allows us to enjoy a more developed life than our coreligionists in Mexico, Brazil, and the Philippines.

    You have somewhere to escape to. We don’t.

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  25. Dumbo says:
    @eggplant

    LOL. Despite his many defects, Pat Buchanan is a self-respecting guy, and probably saw better than selling his country or his principles for a few shekels.

    As an aside, my general impression is that Jews tend to know very little about “Hispanics” and/or “Latinos” (both awful terms, but it’s what we have). Just the idea that they have “strong affinities in political ideology, cultural traits, personal background, and religion” to traditional white Americans is patently absurd. Granted, they have more affinities than, say, Arab Muslims or Black animists, but still it’s far from being a very similar group to the historically European population. And I said that as someone somewhat sympathetic to Latinos (as opposed to other less assimilable groups). But I know how they are, their virtues and their defects. Maybe the white-ish minority of Hispanics, i.e. the upper and middle-class in Latin America, is culturally more similar, but those who immigrate are mostly from the lower and more mixed classes, and tend to be… rather less fascinating. I could tell many horror stories about how bad tenants they can be. Perhaps not as bad as blacks, but almost.

    Affirmative Action is meaningless in this case. It was projected to uplift Blacks, everyone knows that (even though, Blacks as a group were seriously damaged by immigration, but no one talks about that). And since Mexicans hate Blacks, well, of course they don’t like AA.

    Divide et Impera! If it’s working, why stop?

    • Agree: Mark Hunter
  26. So the remainder of my life and that of my decendents will be these types of battles?

    Or shall we just separate?

  27. gotmituns says:

    Affirmative Action is in every sector of our lives, not just in California. It’s across the country in every walk of life. If a company has over 50 or so employees, they must have some form of AA/Quota system in place or they won’t get contracts/survive.

    • Thanks: GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  28. MarkU says:

    I don’t think that it is that surprising tbh that people from most ethnicities are getting rather bored with the subject of ‘diversity’. In the final analysis a functional society needs to be meritocratic and the ceaseless pandering to one particular section of the community (who seem to want everything handed to them on a plate) is becoming unpopular. Who could have imagined?

  29. Exile says:

    In practice, affirmative action has never ceased in California. Prop. 209 has been the most widely disregarded and circumvented law since Prohibition. Ron Unz himself admits that Hispanics have “nonetheless” done well in the admissions process.

    So this is a debate over optics and semantics at best.

    Ron Unz periodically mounts his Hispanic high-hobby-horse to tilt at the windmills of muh raycisms. It’s something long-time readers have learned to tolerate like a crazy uncle’s affectations in return for his platforming of a truly diverse and high-quality selection of legitimate dissident thinkers and activists.

    The state of Mexifornia today is the inevitable result of mass Latin American immigration.

    More Mexicans equals more Mexification.

    Ron’s policies will ultimately result not in a better California on the civic nationalist model but rather a larger Mexico.

    Californians are voting against Greater Mexico with their feet, with the first net out-migration in decades.

    Ron has the money to stay. Those of us who have to live among the other test subjects in his grand social experiment and can’t take a helicopter to work – flying over the favelas of the Unz future – can’t afford the social and economic costs.

    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Jake
  30. MarkU says:
    @anon

    Perhaps you should reflect on the fact that this is one of the few places that such a comment would not be automatically censored.

    • Replies: @dimples
    , @Hypnotoad666
    , @Anon
  31. JosephB says:

    Ron, a nitpick with vocabulary: “Although liberal domination of California state politics is not quite as absolute as Democratic control, the state is certainly very liberal, ” Do you mean “liberal” or “left-wing?” There was some similarity between those terms 30 years ago, but today they are near antonyms.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @joe2.5
  32. First of all, nice concise article there, consisting of data and just a small amount of opinion. Regarding the data. It’d make sense that Hispanics wouldn’t support AA heavily. As you say many are in small business, and lots of those under-the-table, in which any formal AA would clue someone in that these people are in business not paying taxes to anyone in the first place. I could say the same for many Asians (.Indians and Chinese especially regarding the lack of support for the California government – or any other – in the form of taxpaying).

    Then, I wonder what it says about your State that this think tank, per your speculation, may be afraid to publish certain numbers for fear of causing trouble. Diversity, yeah …

    Here’s my main point: AA or no AA, at this point in doesn’t matter for the White man. A .Indian manager will hire more .Indians, and a Chinese one more Chinese people either way. C’mon guys, t’s all tribal nowadays. Then again, what self-respecting White man wants to work at the highway department in a PC Tower of Babel? It’s got to be hell, so he’d rather pack up the family, move to Boise, Idaho or Spokane, Washington, and try to turn it into another California ….

    What would be the point of Affirmative Action in a place that is full of foreigners and only has 30% White people? AA was designed to screw over white people. With hardly any left, there are probably other things Big Gov would rather do to the people.

    Regarding Pat Buchanan, I guess he didn’t take your path because he never wanted to run a Hispanic country. I never read him say he wanted to be a leader in Mexico, Salvador or Guatemala, and I read him a lot … right here on unz.com, haha!

    • Agree: Jus' Sayin'..., Rich
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  33. Anonymous[661] • Disclaimer says:

    The voter is irrelevant in California. It’s the (((liberal courts))) that decide what laws they will live under.

    “Liberal” California actually voted against gay marriage but that was overturned by the courts.

    “Liberal” California also voted for prop. 187 that denied a host of benefits, public education and medical care to undocumented illegals, again overturned by the courts.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @ANZ
  34. Hubbub says:

    Affirmative Action was initiated to appease blacks more than other peoples of color – It may be that Hispanics realize that in California with their superior numbers that they will become the new whites on the block and suffer as well with the preferences to blacks in employment, contacts, and education.

  35. Haole2 says:

    Hawaii isn’t big on affirmative action either, nor always on integration. We have the last school in the USA with a racial requirement, to go to Kamehameha schools you need to be part hawaiian. Our state and city governments used to be almost exclusively run by japanese. The professionals at the power, phone, water companies were all japanese. Japanese voted dem and got the jobs. They had some typing tests that haoles and hawaiians couldn’t pass, like type 90 words a minute to get a job. This was 30 years ago. Now we are more filipino. The result of now 70 years of dem, non white rule, is nothing works right in hawaii. I go to Mexico and notice the roads have less potholes, the electrical system blinks about as often and the medical systems are better in my experience. Housing, medical and private school cost in mexico are about 20 % of hawaiian cost. The cost difference almost wipes out the wage difference. The brown/yellow portions of the USA might not have affirmative action but they are going to be below the third world standard of places like mexico.

    • Replies: @Haole2
  36. @Achmed E. Newman

    I should add that my first para. was in regards to AA mandates in general, but I understand that the question in the article is about AA within the CA government workforce.

  37. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    Let’s not confuse de jure and de facto affirmative action, OK? As long as CA is run by Dems, of course AA is there to stay. Maybe, if Latinos completely take over all state functions, they will stop giving preferences to blacks – but the whole diversity joke theater is surely to stay. They will just increase discrimination of whites and Asian. “Come on, man!”

    And Buchanan being Latino’s natural leader based on “strong affinities in political ideology, cultural traits, personal background, and religion”? LMAO, I can’t even. Every single sign, be it voting patterns, surveys or revealed preferences, indicate that Latinos strongly favor big government and welfare nanny state.

  38. Jake says:

    Back in the mid-1990s I remember having lunch with Pat Buchanan in DC. At one point, I mentioned that America’s rapidly-growing Hispanic population had an obvious and natural political leader, based upon such strong affinities in political ideology, cultural traits, personal background, and religion. But fate took a different turn, and Buchanan missed playing his historic role.

    Ron Unz nails another one. That was what was needed then to save the country from the Neocons and from the self-professed Left.

  39. bomag says:

    Pretty dreary.

    Affirmative action is a plan that takes from Whites and gives to other racial groups.

    In Cali today, Latinos and Asians look around and see that Whites have been so dispossessed that AA no longer offers them anything. Blacks still see some juice to be squeezed from the pulp.

  40. Jake says:
    @anon

    My estimation is that on sites similar to this one, two-thirds to four-fifths of the posters who make such assertions ( i.e. because ‘he’ is a Jew, everything he says is part of the Jew conspiracy to destroy whites) are themselves Jews or are working for Jewish groups, such as the ADL or SPLC.

    • Agree: Jus' Sayin'..., Durruti
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  41. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    If AA is such a wonder, maybe clueless California politicians should use that to replace the bureaucrats who can’t seem to keep electricity flowing.

    • Replies: @Donald A Thomson
  42. It’s impossible to get rid of affirmative action if the will is there.

    What happens now is that they use different criteria.

    For many education departments it is only a couple people making these decisions. In grad school it can be a single person deciding who gets to continue.

    But what the liberals want is to get rid of test scores entirely and turn college into another stage of high school.

    Liberal theories of education have failed in California and they have switched to burying test scores.

    So while affirmative action already exists under the radar the liberals want the ability to force colleges to take in even more unqualified undergrads.

  43. bomag says:
    @Exile

    In practice, affirmative action has never ceased in California.

    Yeah, largely because the Feds AA everything in sight, and their tentacles are in almost every societal function.

  44. @Anonymous

    “The voter is irrelevant in California.

    Oh really? Who keeps voting in liberal politicians?

    This is the state that voted for prop 47 which basically said we will legalize all sorts of crimes instead of building new prisons. Nuts.

  45. Jake says:
    @Exile

    So those Mexicans are responsible, almost totally? Not the Jews and not the rich, highly educated whites who between develop virtually all the crazy ideas and then pick Mexican leaders to be trained to serve as their mouthpieces to persuade Mexicans to vote for Liberal candidates?

    Mexicans are a great way to prove that the masses of people are always followers of leaders they accept and can be led almost anywhere. Today, we can see how far to the extreme Left even Southern Baptists can be led by leaders who have decided that the Left, hard Left, is where they will lead.

    If not for white Liberals and Leftists, Jewish Liberals and Leftists could not have accomplished more than a slight fraction of what they have in America. It is that alliance, whites rebelling against Christendom and then the vestiges of Christendom with Jews, that makes all this possible. Mexicans and Asians are primarily victims who follow along.

    Mexicans, of course, are not the racially quarter to three-quarters black Caribbean Hispanics, and as even the racially largely black Dominican community in NYC showed in staring down the Jewish and white and queer-black led Antifa and BLM riots, Hispanics have more common sense combined with character to stand firm for family and local community than all but the most conservative whites.

    That was not true 50 years ago, but it is now.

    • Replies: @Exile
  46. That sign is as Orwellian as (((ofcom))) pigs on diverahittey!!!

    Let’s have a White Group on (((ITV))) do a dance about Cannon Hinnant or general tnb!!;;!!

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  47. KenH says:

    I thought affirmative action might pass in Cali given how the white population has plummeted but hadn’t really considered some of the factors Ron highlights in the article.

    There was a time when whites were indifferent about affirmative action when most white collar workplaces were 90% white with some black tokens. Whites would reason that it hardly affects whites at all so shilw most were opposed to it in principle they took little interest in how it might affect them. But as time passed and demographics changed radically whites, even left leaning whites, are now beginning to correctly perceive AA as a threat to their prospects and careers and are taking things a little more seriously.

    If 75% of white voters vote against AA along with slight majorities of Asians and Hispanics it won’t matter if 80% of blacks support it since they’re such a small proportion of the electorate.

    It’s very likely AA will lose at the ballot box but be imposed on the state by an activist left wing judge and upheld by mealy mouth conservative judges like Roberts and Gorsuch on the Supreme Court.

  48. Clyde says:
    @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    L.A. Times admitted that illegal immigrants in California, do indeed receive taxpayer aid. It’s so tiring for those people in the know to keep debating this nonsense.

    Do you have more details on this? I think it works this way>>
    Jose and Marie are illegal aliens. They have two anchor babies. Their US born children qualify the entire family for food stamps and probably to enter subsidized housing by using the child’s name. The mother poses as unmarried. But they got married in Mexico

    ____plus____
    California Approves Law Giving Health Benefits To …
    https://www.npr.org/2019/07/10/740147546
    Jul 10, 2019 · California has become the first state in the country to offer government-subsidized health benefits to young adults living in the U.S. illegally. The measure signed …

    • Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
  49. Haole2 says:
    @Haole2

    Affirmative dies when yellow and brown people see they might have to give up their jobs to blacks or whites.

  50. @Jake

    The tricky ones are Jews that pretend to be non-Jews acting like Jews in order to trick non-Jews into thinking that they are also non-Jews writing about Jews. This way they get people to spend half their day on Unz writing about Jews instead of adding anything useful.

  51. dimples says:
    @MarkU

    It’s true. You can’t even say ‘homo’ on RT now.

  52. Socrates says:
    @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    “Will California Restore Affirmative Action?”

    Restoring Affirmative Action ONLY?
    Here we have more goodies….
    “San Francisco to Provide $1,000/Month to Pregnant Black, Pacific Islander Women …..to Improve Health Outcomes”.

    -Not White pregnant women need to apply.-

    Come on Negresses! Another freebie!
    Have your bastard in San Fransisco and then you will have welfare. FOR LIFE!

    https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/09/14/san-francisco1000-month-pregnant-black-pacific-islanders-improve-health-outcomes/

    • Replies: @Wally
  53. @JosephB

    You’re the 2nd commenter to point this out. Thank you both, but I believe it’s a lost cause. Use of the term “liberal” for classical liberal (pretty much a Libertarian without the open-borders stupidity of the Reason magazine crowd) seems to have been forgotten. I say “lefty”, myself.

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    , @JosephB
  54. VICB3 says:
    @anonymous1963

    A Question, serious one:

    Since White Americans are now a ~30% minority in California, would it not also mean that – probably after a prolonged courtroom legal fight – they could lay claim to the various minority set asides if this Prop. 16 were to pass?

    Such a state of affairs might be risible, but you nonetheless have the law of unintended consequences, and such an outcome is plausible.

    Just a thought.

    VicB3

    • Replies: @anonymous1963
  55. TKK says:

    It is difficult to overstate the misery AA inflicts on working class Americans, or anyone who has to interface with a government agency to make things happen.

    Extremely high wealth people are protected from the consequences of their race pandering virtue signaling. Their lawyers or lackeys deal with the AA hires.

    The many examples of their ignorant truculence in the workplace are too many to write here.

    It did not seem it could get worse. But it always can in a crumbling black obsessed empire.

    You had obese black females that know it takes at least two years to fire them with meticulous documentation, they know that white supervisors are afraid of them, and add in a natural aggressiveness – you prayed you did not have to deal with one of nature’s mistakes for an important matter.

    Now, you see the effects of BLM and black’s untouchable status. It went from apathy to F*ck you. A new level of cockiness. Instead of a shrug, a smirk.

    And the places we can go to escape them, that are affordable and safe, the very places where Sub Saharan blacks do not go because they are not wanted nor cosseted – the borders are closed.

    If this perfect storm wasn’t planned, good fortune has abandoned us.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  56. Anon[358] • Disclaimer says:

    Im glad California’s voters get to decide.

    The latins will probably vote no, but we have to wait and find out.

    What I can tell you is that Latin wishes will increasingly be enacted in California, even if lefty whites dont like it.

    Im still wanting the latins to elect a latin majority legislature in Cali and tax Hollywood and Silicon Valley half-to-death. I want lefty whites in California to be contemptuously ruled by latins and utterly locked out of any elected offices. I will enjoy this.

    • Replies: @Old and Grumpy
  57. Richard B says:
    @Dr. Doom

    This multiracial fantasy CANNOT WORK.

    Its against nature and ignores OBVIOUS REALITIES that can no longer be hidden.

    Which explains why Israel doesn’t do it. And not just Israel.

  58. Anonymous[259] • Disclaimer says:

    Pat Buchanan’s dislike of Hispanics notwithstanding their Catholicism, is most likely seconded by his utter dislike of Jews and if anything, he probably doesn’t see blacks as a group who is responsible for the country’s malaise… to a man of history like Buchanan, American Blacks are a big part and parcel of the national fabric, for good or bad, rather than those who got off the boat in the last one hundred years and who are responsible for the coming apart of his beloved America!

    • Troll: Jus' Sayin'...
  59. jim jones says:

    Surely affirmative action will just result in everyone identifying as Black:

  60. Durruti says:
    @anon

    He’s still a jew, he will always be a jew, and no matter how many “based” takes he makes he’s still jewish, and that’s just how it is.

    I have my differences with Ron Unz. But I defend him against suspicious, morons like you.

    • Replies: @Anon
  61. Hacienda says:
    @Bill P

    The only problem with the Mexicans is that they are politically clueless. Totally out to lunch in that regard. They are a natural conservative constituency, but nobody is talking to them besides me.

    Maybe you should reflect on the dynamic that you just described.

    Sometimes when you just sit still in certain places, people will give you things for no reason at all.

  62. @Hank Rearden678

    Not picking the best applicant is a sure route first to mediocrity, then incompetence and ultimately failure,

    Especially true when you are in a life and death struggle with other, more intelligent and more sensible cultures. Whether or not you are aware of the competition.

  63. @Anon

    Lefty whites will just move, while their obedient minions will be paid to corrupt children in school. The Latinos… Hispanics…Latinx… whatever else they are called will be turned eventually. I guess if you keep importing those from south of the border, and not send your kids to college, the process will be slower. Aren’t California’s budget issues ultimately going to decide things like affirmative action and hopefully public schooling? Also the black vs Hispanic relationship is the thing to watch, not voting.

  64. Durruti says:

    Open appeal to Ron Unz.

    I was hoping for a mention of – with a bit of analysis from you (who once ran for the Governorship of California), about the Fires, and serious human/environmental destruction resulting in your state.

    Where does the decline of the water table, and other crimes against California (committed by so many Oligarchs) factor in?

    What do you think of the movie “Chinatown,” which appears to have warned about this tragedy (it even predicted the pedafilia of many of these same Oligarchs)?

    Does the ecological tragedy have any connection to the political distortions you discuss in your article?

    Durruti, and his friend, Dr. Peter J. Antonsen

  65. @John Johnson

    The tricky ones are Jews that pretend to be non-Jews acting like Jews in order to trick non-Jews into thinking that they are also non-Jews writing about Jews. This way they get people to spend half their day on Unz writing about Jews instead of adding anything useful.

    Easy to spot. They always use proper English with logical, well thought out points. Or maybe not. They really are slick. They have proven, in the past, that they can fool all the people some of the time. And that’s all that’s necessary, with the proper timing.

  66. Conservatives are fond of saying that Latinos are “natural conservatives”. California puts the lie to that. Latinos will always vote for more freebies at the expense of the taxpayers.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Anonymous
  67. @John Johnson

    Jews identify as White or not White depending on what is best for them at the moment.

    • Replies: @Rich
  68. @HallParvey

    Easy to spot. They always use proper English with logical, well thought out points. Or maybe not. They really are slick. They have proven, in the past, that they can fool all the people some of the time. And that’s all that’s necessary, with the proper timing.

    Can’t tell if serious.

    My comment about Jews pretending to be non-Jews posting about Jews was a joke.

    Or at least was intended to be.

  69. I understand using proven past trends to predict future outcomes, but it seems premature to count on the same thing happening in perpetuity. The same logic had Clinton measuring the drapes in the White House.

    And even discounting the more hysterical side of the “unprecedented” and “new normal” narrative, 2020 seems like a year to reasonably expect heightened unpredictability.

  70. @Robert Whatever

    Conservatives are fond of saying that Latinos are “natural conservatives”. California puts the lie to that. Latinos will always vote for more freebies at the expense of the taxpayers.

    The problem is really the extremes.

    Yes the conservatives were foolish to think that Hispanics would eventually switch to the GOP because they are Catholic.

    But the other side of this is that the California GOP has been stuck on stupid and thinks that just being for minimal government is enough.

    Buchanan was right that the GOP needed to go populist. Most in the GOP don’t even understand what that means. They think everything is a matter of freedom vs socialism.

    Trump may be the last GOP president unless they change their strategy. The Democrat plan is to turn the country into California. The GOP doesn’t have a rational counter-strategy. Most Republicans still haven’t figured out that race exists and still buy Con Inc non-sense about “them unions” ruining Black schools. The Con Inc messaging makes them irrational and unable to think clearly about strategy.

    • Replies: @cynthia curran
  71. @israel shamir

    The race situation in the USA is complicated and evolving. Whites are currently a majority of the population but will soon become something less, a dominant plurality. The White vote is currently split, with only a minority voting with an eye towards racial advantage. This may change as “diversity” increases and racial spoils become a dominating factor in politics. However, this will not happen for a generation or two.

    Hispanics and Mestizos are the largest minority and may, if current trends continue, someday be a majority. Their potential political power is diluted due to major political rifts within the Hispanic-Mestizo community and to an overall indifference to politics and voting. This may change.

    Negroes are just over twelve percent of the population but have a political clout far in excess of this because they vote as a bloc. Negroes in the USA like Negroes everywhere else organize politically along the “Big Man” principle. Dominant Negroes in the community, the “big men” run things and serve as a conduit to the wider world. They reward a supporting coterie who serve as their lieutenants. The system is inevitably rife with corruption but efficiently focuses political power. Urban Irish political bosses in the last century ran similar systems although only remnants remain now.

    Asians are the smallest significant minority. The community is split along multiple ethnic, religious and ideological fault lines. Asian elites hate affirmative action and some Asian ethnicities, e.g. Indians, on average have a contempt for all other races, but otherwise tend prog. Because they are a small percent of the population, Asians have displayed attempts form ad hoc tactical alliances with other races on some issues. Such alliances will probably be more common in the future.

    Ultimately, I fear that Yugoslavia in the aftermath of Tito’s death is going to be the best model of racial politics in the USA, except that the different races will not have soliod geographic homelands but will be intermingled in ways guaranteed to encourage political striufe and violence.

  72. Mexicans love to call themselves Latinos. There is strong indication that they desire to be classified as white. Mexican inclusion into white population is highly desirable. Also intermarriage.
    Mexican girls are much better than white. Better mothers. White girls are totally intoxicated with feminism.

  73. Ron Unz says:
    @TKK

    It is difficult to overstate the misery AA inflicts on working class Americans, or anyone who has to interface with a government agency to make things happen.

    That’s a very good point. Since blacks tend to be very heavily over-represented in government employment even in California, it’s possible that the irritations working-class Latinos experience in dealing with AA blacks at government offices has been a large factor in their growing opposition to Affirmative Action.

    Incidentally, here’s a somewhat related issue that I haven’t seen mentioned anywhere, but had come to my mind almost immediately…

    A major factor behind America’s gigantic Covid-19 disaster was the dreadful performance of our CDC, which was very slow creating virus test-kits compared to Germany and other countries, and then discovered all the kit-tests produced were defective, forcing them to start over again. As a consequence, for several weeks the US had essentially no virus testing capability, allowing the silent spread of Covid-19 in New York and elsewhere.

    Now the CDC is a federal agency based in Atlanta, a mostly black city, so I’d assume that a large fraction of CDC managers and professionals are AA blacks. I wonder if that had something to do with it…

  74. @Achmed E. Newman

    My preferred term is prog, a contraction of progressive. It’s dismissive, has an unpleasant sound, and for the particularly woke may even evoke memories of Pepe the Frog.

    The meaning of liberal has steadily transformed over time so that those who describe themselves as liberal today are the bitterest enemies of the respectable tradition that began with Locke. As late as the 1970s I could respect those who called themselves liberals although disagreeing with most of their ideological and policy positions. That stopped being the case as time went on. Now I have only contempt.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @pirelli
  75. If Hispanics are out competing whites in California system schools admissions, I strongly suspect racial preferences are in play. These institutions have a trillion ways of disguising their intentions and creating the student body they desire.

    I can’t believe blacks are only 6% of California’s population! Blacks and their issues are virtually all we in distant states hear about from Cali and Minnesota, so that one would think those states were 90% black or more.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @res
  76. anon[773] • Disclaimer says:

    The (D) dominant WA State House and Senate tried to do the same to WA state, which had a voter approved ban on AA since 1998. The (D) tried to pull a fast one on the (R) by holding a vote in the middle of the night, and approved a bill to overturn the voter initiative. Asians in the state mobilized, contributed and put it on the November ballot last year, and voters voted against the bill once again, but this time it was quite close, something like 52% reject. King County, the most populous county, has been taken over by Jews and CA transplants, who take their stupid voting habits everywhere with them.

    WA State (D) also took full advantage of their dominant position and passed a new “Kindergarten Sex Ed” bill that will force gender identity education starting in K, and sexual orientation by 4th grade. Conservative parents in Eastern WA mobilized and got it on the November ballot. The State Education Superintendent who pushed for this bill, Chris Reykdal, only received 40% of the votes in the primaries, against 5 (R) challengers who all want to overturn this bill. Hopefully both the bill and the depraved Reykdal will be gone by November.

    Meanwhile, CA not only passed their Kindergarten Sex Ed bill years ago, but has recently signed into law a new bill that decreases punishment for sex with minors. (D) only care about protecting adults (gay males, pharmaceutical companies, psychologists and other sex change “specialists”), and are increasingly putting our children in danger.

    A one party state is a lawless state, especially if it is the power hungry, depraved (D) running your state. I pray that (R) will take back our state senate this November, but I’m not holding my breath. WA is going the way of CA.

  77. @Ron Unz

    Yes, probably exactly. They gum up the system and virtually cannot be disciplined or fired. In addition to their own failures, they indirectly affect the other personnel at other levels. Talented persons, eg scientists and researchers, become frustrated with the bureaucratic inefficiency and seek greener pastures.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Jmaie
  78. Hypocrisy rules. Only color blindness means equality. Affirmative action means racism, which is a form of inequality.

  79. JosephB says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Use of the term “liberal” for classical liberal (pretty much a Libertarian without the open-borders stupidity of the Reason magazine crowd) seems to have been forgotten.

    I’m not trying to shift society at large; that’s tilting at windmills. Rather, I’m trying to break myself (and fellow travelers) of the habit of calling the opposition “liberals” to leave open an avenue of attack.

    Them: “Well, we liberals think –”

    Me: “What liberals? I’ve gotten used to you guys ignoring the 2nd amendment, but now you’ve given up on the first. Are there any basic freedoms you still believe in?”

    Rub their noses in it repeatedly.

  80. @MarkU

    Perhaps you should reflect on the fact that this is one of the few places that such a comment would not be automatically censored.

    Indeed. Whatever Ron is, or isn’t, he sure as hell ‘aint a member of the semi-mythical Jewish Plot to Destroy America. Such anonymous comments are straight-up retarded.

  81. Anonymous[773] • Disclaimer says:

    WSJ came out with their 2020-21 College Rankings today. In the “Environment” category which is a new name for Diversity, they ranked Caltech #231 in diversity! Caltech’s demographic is as follows:

    40% Asian
    27% White
    14% Hispanic
    9% Foreign
    1.5% Black
    0% Native American/Hawaiian
    8% Unknown

    The school ranked #1 for Diversity is La Sierra University, with the following demo:
    47% Hispanic
    17% Asian
    13% White
    11% Foreign
    7% Black
    1.7% Native American/Hawaiian
    3% Unknown

    So that is the new formula to measure Diversity. Asians are officially no longer “diverse”, only URMs (Hispanics, Blacks, Native American/Hawaiian) are. That’s what the Dems are using to justify the return of AA.

    I say it’s time we make UCB 100% Hispanic, Black and Native American and be done with it. While we’re at it, make the top 10 – Ivy League, Stanford, MIT 100% black for the next two decades, consider it reparation. Let’s see what happens.

  82. Exile says:
    @Jake

    One look at my comment history shows I’m well aware of the JQ. They’re financing the mass migration and greasing the media and academic skids all the way, as well as buying the politicians.

    But miss me with “Hispanics have more common sense combined with character to stand firm for family and local community than all but the most conservative whites.”

    I’ve lived in Southern California for decades. I know what Mexicans are like – more functional than Blacks, but still significantly more criminal and unable to cope with modernity than Whites.

    Anyone can look at what California was like before the Hart-Cellar Act and now for proof that “Hispanics” are not the noble strivers they are made out to be.

    I know a decent number of basically-White-tier castizos and harnizos but once you get into the mestizo population, these folks simply don’t have the IQ or the social skills needed to cope with living in California vs. rural Central or South America. And I also know majority-White mixed Hispanics who are complete sociopaths or general screw-ups. Blood will tell. The stereotypes about Latin blood, temper, love of drink etc… were not baseless. You can play “Not All Hispanics Are Like That” all you like, but that’s a cope.

    Mexican criminality judging by statistics is about 4x higher than White Californians. Their penchant for certain offenses like violence, statutory rape and drunk driving has been well-recorded by Ann Coulter in “Adios America” and numerous other sources cited therein and elsewhere.

    Jews as a group hate Whites and have demonstrated no interest in promoting the immigration of functional populations who would seamlessly assimilate with White populations. The reason Jews support immigration is to break the host White population and replace them with a more easily-debased and exploited slave class. Read Kevin MacDonald for details.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anon
    , @Bill Jones
  83. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Affirmative action is a thing to complain about, not to want.

    Well said. What self-respecting working man would hang around the lunch truck talking with his buddies and say: “Man, I really think we need special racial preference to get ahead, just like black people.”

  84. Ron Unz says:
    @Happy Tapir

    If Hispanics are out competing whites in California system schools admissions, I strongly suspect racial preferences are in play. These institutions have a trillion ways of disguising their intentions and creating the student body they desire.

    Sure, I don’t doubt there’s some “cheating at the edges” even under Prop. 209. But keep in mind that Hispanics are more numerous than whites in CA, and the age-distribution curves of the two groups are entirely different. I wouldn’t be surprised if college-age whites are outnumbered something like 3-to-1 by college-age Hispanics, and since the UC system is very heavily skewed towards California residents, it’s not totally surprising that Hispanics would outnumber whites at UC. Also, the Hispanic enrollment tends to be substantially skewed towards the less prestigious campuses with easier admissions like UC Riverside and UC Merced.

    Finally, here’s an interesting datapoint that may surprise many people. Everyone knows that Affirmative Action is a very important consideration in the admissions decisions of nearly all private American colleges, especially the most elite ones. The strongest exception is Caltech, which is among the most academically elite but has retained very strong meritocratic and objective admissions standards.

    Just as one might expect, Caltech undergrads are only about 1.5% black, probably around the lowest percentage of any college in America. But in recent years, Caltech has been 12-13% Hispanic:

    https://www.unz.com/enrollments/?r&ID=110404

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
  85. Exile says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron, while I continue to disagree with your larger point that Hispanics are an asset to California, they obviously compare favorably vs. Blacks and both TKK and you are right on this particular point.

    Blacks are significantly less functional as cogs in any modern organization and they are vastly over-represented in our government offices here in California. The black-DMV-lady memes all originated here and are well-substantiated every day.

    As one Twitter user famously quipped in response to a stronk Black wahman who Tweeted “Imagine a world run by Black women”:

    “Imagine the DMV.”

  86. Wally says:
    @Socrates

    It’s called buying votes ….. with taxpayers money who were not asked to approve it.

    Isn’t privilege grand?

    “Privilege., by Bloomingdale, GA mayor, Ben Rozier:

    – Privilege is wearing $200 sneakers when you’ve never had a job. Privilege is wearing $300 Beats headphones while living on public assistance. Privilege is having a Smartphone with a Data plan which you receive no bill for.

    – Privilege is living in public subsidized housing where you don’t have a water bill, where rising property taxes and rents and energy costs have absolutely no effect on the amount of food you can put on your table.

    – Privilege is the ability to go march against, and protest against anything that triggers you, without worry about calling out of work and the consequences that accompany such behavior.

    – Privilege is having as many children as you want, regardless of your employment status, and be able to send them off to daycare or school you don’t pay for.

    – Privilege is sending your kids to school early for the before school programs and breakfast, and then keeping them there for the after school program… all at no cost to you… paid for by the people who DO HAVE TO DEAL WITH RISING TAXES AND COSTS! …you know, us so called ‘PRIVILEGED’ the ones who pay while you TAKE TAKE TAKE!”

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Replies: @Socrates
  87. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Just as a long time observer of people and, for decades, of America, that sounds right to me.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
  88. res says:

    Thanks for the interesting article, Ron.

    PPIC polls normally break out their Asian numbers, but in this instance Asians and blacks were lumped together, registering a combined 40% support for Prop. 16. Perhaps PPIC feared that revealing Asians (and blacks) as extreme outliers on this divisive issue would produce bitter feelings. Since Asian respondents outnumbered blacks by more than 2-to-1 and probably showed very little support for Prop. 16, it seems likely that black support for Affirmative Action was overwhelming, probably in the 60-70% range.

    It is convenient (for them) that their data is unable to answer that interesting question. But in this case I think the issue is that this poll is only looking at likely voters and their claim is legitimate (but see below!).

    The September 2016 election poll has similar verbiage.
    https://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/survey/S_916MBS.pdf

    Across racial/ethnic groups, whites are divided (39% Clinton, 37% Trump). Clinton leads Trump by large margins among Latinos (62% to 19%) and other racial/ethnic groups (59% to 19%). Sample sizes of Asian American and African American likely voters are too small for separate analysis.

    Here is what the PPIC has to say about sample sizes in their methodology document. Emphasis mine except for the heading.
    https://www.ppic.org/wp-content/uploads/SurveyMethodology.pdf

    Sample Sizes

    All PPIC Statewide Surveys include interviews with at least 1,700 California adults. In each survey report, we provide the unweighted sample sizes for the overall sample, registered voters, likely voters, and other special groups we might be examining. (See the methodology section of individual survey reports for more information about sample sizes.) By comparison, many national polls include interviews with 1,000 adults. PPIC’s large sample sizes allow us to capture the regional, racial/ethnic, demographic, and political diversity of the state’s adult population. For example, we are able to examine separate findings among as many as five regions: the Central Valley, San Francisco Bay Area, Los Angeles County, Orange/San Diego Counties, and the Inland Empire. We can also examine separate findings among Latinos and non-Hispanic whites, and among non-Hispanic Asian Americans and African Americans when the unweighted sample sizes reach our minimum standard of approximately 100; among US-born and foreign-born adults (both naturalized citizens and noncitizens); among different age, education, income, and homeownership groups; and according to political affiliation (Democrats, Republicans, and independents). The large sample size also lets us analyze results among parents of children 18 and younger and parents of children attending public schools. To conduct separate analysis of a subgroup, we require an unweighted sample size of approximately 100 or more. Our large overall sample sizes allow us to bring additional perspective to local, state, and federal policymakers who need a clear understanding of public perceptions and attitudes, including robust information about the experiences and opinions of different political, regional, racial/ethnic, and other demographic groups.

    Their sample size details do not include any breakdown by race. I believe those are the full reports based on this page.
    https://www.ppic.org/publication/ppic-statewide-survey-californians-and-their-government-september-2020/

    That page also has links to more detailed crosstabs and time trends. The crosstabs PDF has this information on the sample sizes.
    https://www.ppic.org/wp-content/uploads/crosstabs-likely-voters-0920.pdf

    Findings are based on a survey of 1,704 California adult residents, with 75 percent interviewed on cell phones (1,254 interviews) and 25 percent interviewed on landline telephones (450 interviews). Live landline and cell phone interviews were conducted in English and Spanish according to the respondents’ preferences. The sample included 502 respondents reached by calling back respondents who had previously completed an interview in PPIC Statewide Surveys in the last six months. Interviews took an average of 19 minutes to complete. Interviewing took place on weekend days and weekday nights September 4-13, 2020.

    These crosstabs are based on a subgroup of 1,168 California adult likely voters. The sampling error, taking design effects from weighting into consideration, is ±4.3 percent at the 95 percent confidence level for the unweighted sample of 1,168 likely voters. The sampling error for unweighted likely voter subgroups is larger.

    Unfortunately I don’t see any information about the sample sizes by race there either. In order to reach their ~100 threshold they would need ~8.6% of the unweighted sample to be in a given group.

    This page has some interesting breakdowns by race for CA voters.
    https://www.ppic.org/publication/race-and-voting-in-california/

    That page gives the following for percentages of likely voters.
    African Americans 6%
    Asian Americans 14%
    Latinos 21%
    Whites 55%
    Other/Multiracial 4%

    So unless they are severely undersampling Asian Americans they actually should have a large enough sample size (1168 * 14% = ~163) for them. Odd. Maybe you are right to be cynical. African Americans would be about 1168 * 6% = 70 so too small unless strongly oversampled.

    This page gives proportions for both all adults and likely voters.
    https://www.ppic.org/publication/californias-likely-voters/

    Note that African Americans are 6% of both. One thing I find interesting is that their overall sample size is ~1700 which should give ~102 African Americans. I wonder if that is what is driving their sample size choice.

    P.S. This 2004 paper takes an interesting look at Prop 209.
    The Revolution against Affirmative Action in California: Racism, Economics, and Proposition 209
    https://www.jstor.org/stable/40421505

    The appendix has exit poll results. Though Asian Americans voted for it 42% (vs. blacks 18.2%), Table 2 indicates that a hypothetical Asian American was less likely to vote for it than a hypothetical black (0.37 vs. 0.41) given other variables the authors used in their model. Put another way, from Table 1 the logit value is -0.18 for Asians (with blacks as reference). Perhaps Asian opposition to affirmative action is driven more by political beliefs and economic status than race?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  89. @Ron Unz

    The strongest exception is Caltech, which is among the most academically elite but has retained very strong meritocratic and objective admissions standards.

    That’s no longer true, and it hasn’t been true for a while.

    https://diversity.caltech.edu/about

    Caltech attracts the brightest and most creative minds in the world to populate its faculty, research and administrative staffs, and student body. Caltech fosters an environment where various perspectives are valued by seeking out exceptional individuals from a broad range of backgrounds and experiences. The CCID website provides information for prospective students, undergraduate and graduate students, postdoctoral scholars, faculty, employees, and community members to help serve and grow its diverse community of individuals. As an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer, Caltech encourages women, minorities, veterans, and disabled persons to apply for Institute jobs, research and faculty positions, and admission.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  90. anon[773] • Disclaimer says:

    Ron loves Mexicans so much, he should just move to Mexico as Fred Reed did. Hispanics are not whites, regardless of how they vote.

    Read the book Burdens of Freedom for a good discussion on the difference between the individualist, moralistic Western culture and the collectivist, situational-ethics non-Western cultures. United States of MexChindia will not be a good place to live.

    • Agree: GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @Pinche Perro
  91. Dr. Charles Fhandrich [AKA "Dr.C. Fhandrich"] says:
    @Clyde

    You nailed it sir. Taxpayers are getting the biggest ride of their lives in California.

  92. The truth is that Prop. 209 only temporarily evened the playing field. The UC system quickly adapted, using race proxies to accomplish what they could not otherwise accomplish.

    For instance, UCLA gives an admissions bump up to applicants who are 1st generation (college attendee, in country, to speak English), these applicants will overwhelmingly be non-white (thanks to the 1965 Immigration Act “Europeans Need Not Apply”). In addition, they use geographical diversity to assure that those at more competitive schools are at a competitive disadvantage. Each applicant is compared against their classmates who are applying to the same school. So, although you might have a 4.6 GPA, with the highest level of rigor (determined by what your school offers), and score in the 90 percentile for your standardized test, a less accomplished student at a lesser school will have a better shot of admission. Why? Because if there are “more competitive” students at your school, they will take your school’s spots. With “holistic” admissions, no one knows what factors make one student more competitive over another. If those students check a “1st Generation” box, and you don’t, well, you’re screwed.

    This exact scenario played out for my child, the classmates who were admitted to UCLA were: one first generation (parents from China, dad a doctor), one transgender (thank you large donors), oh, and two Jewish students, who checked the white box for the school that has a majority of white students.

    This latter point supports Mr. Unz’s earlier study of race preference at elite schools, in which he included UCLA and Cal. My own anecdotal observations in my locale corroborates Mr. Unz’s conclusions with the majority of whites admitted (a small sample size) being of a certain background.

    As bad as it is now, it will be worse with affirmative action as there is so much hostility against whites. The once venerable UC system is now a joke, a PC hornet’s nest, and den of intolerance. When you consider that the President of the UC Regents, John Perez, dropped out of college, you realize what a farce it has become.

    The drive for out of state and out of country students has made it even worse. As a UC Advocate who lobbied the state legislature for funding, I now think that it should receive zero funding.

  93. Alden says:

    Who cares, so what. Prop 209 was never enforced. All the money time and effort useless.

  94. res says:
    @Ron Unz

    Now the CDC is a federal agency based in Atlanta, a mostly black city, so I’d assume that a large fraction of CDC managers and professionals are AA blacks. I wonder if that had something to do with it…

    This page used to say 34.2% black overall in 2018 (you can still see it in the page source).
    https://bestplacestowork.org/rankings/detail/HE39

    Some more about CDC employment demographics at
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/they-should-run-psas-encouraging-people-to-call-911-if-they-are-having-a-heart-attack-or-stroke/#comment-3847553

    The paper I linked there gives a more detailed breakdown, but is from 2012 when the overall total was 27.2%
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6951439/

    The job title “Public Health Manager” accounts for a quarter of CDC jobs and was 39.1% black in 2012.

  95. res says:
    @Happy Tapir

    If Hispanics are out competing whites in California system schools admissions, I strongly suspect racial preferences are in play. These institutions have a trillion ways of disguising their intentions and creating the student body they desire.

    If you want an idea of how Berkeley was gaming things 15 years ago see this comment and its links. I am sure they are even better at it now.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/who-paid-6-5-million-to-college-admissions-scamster-rick-singer-not-hard-to-guess/#comment-3185038

  96. Ron Unz says:
    @res

    So unless they are severely undersampling Asian Americans they actually should have a large enough sample size (1168 * 14% = ~163) for them. Odd. Maybe you are right to be cynical. African Americans would be about 1168 * 6% = 70 so too small unless strongly oversampled.

    I haven’t look at PPIC polls in some years, but I’m pretty sure that back in the early 2010s they always broke out the Asians (and maybe the blacks), and since Asian numbers have risen substantially since then, it struck me as rather suspicious.

    P.S. This 2004 paper takes an interesting look at Prop 209.
    The Revolution against Affirmative Action in California: Racism, Economics, and Proposition 209

    If you’re interested in Prop. 209, you really should read my long article on the history, since it’s a subject in which I do have quite a lot of expertise and knowledge. For many years I was probably ranked as the leading conservative expert on race/ethnicity issues:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/california-and-the-end-of-white-america/

    https://www.unz.com/author/ron-unz/topic/affirmative-action/

    • Replies: @res
  97. Anonymous[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robert Whatever

    Conservatives are fond of saying that Latinos are “natural conservatives”

    Except that nothing can be conserved if you replace the race. You don’t “conserve” a rainforest by turning it into a savanna.

  98. probably because AA is the defacto rule, and there doesn’t need to be an official policy of AA encoded back into law.

    jewish lawyers and judges making SAT and ACT illegal (some from as far away as Baltimore!) have struck the final blow against any kind of standards in college.

    of course there are more mexicans than europeans in the UC system now. that’s what leftists wanted.

  99. Ron Unz says:
    @Pincher Martin

    That’s no longer true, and it hasn’t been true for a while.

    While I’m not claiming that Caltech admissions are perfectly meritocratic, I think there’s overwhelming anecdotal and statistical evidence that they’re vastly more meritocratic than any other elite college in America. For many years, blacks have only been about 1.5% of the enrollment. How could this be possible if there were substantial AA in admissions decisions?

    And keep in mind that the boilerplate EO/AA language you quoted regards *employment* at Caltech, not admissions, which isn’t the issue under dispute. Anyway, aren’t all universities legally required to have such language since they receive government funds?

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
  100. @Ron Unz

    Now the CDC is a federal agency based in Atlanta, a mostly black city, so I’d assume that a large fraction of CDC managers and professionals are AA blacks. I wonder if that had something to do with it…

    There is also the factor of educated Whites simply not wanting to live in a city like Atlanta.

    But educated I mean having a useful degree and not a social science or guiltology degree.

    I have mentioned before that I was offered a 6 figure job in Chicago based on an old resume that wasn’t updated and none of the references worked.

    These Black areas have all kinds of White professionals that commute an hour and a half each way to keep the lights on and they can’t find enough of them.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
  101. at this point it should be evident that the europeans who remain in California are selected psychologically to be liberals or outright leftists. there’s a been a huge population shift in that direction.

    similar process in NYC and Chicago. the people comfortable with the current situation are self hating europeans and virtue signalers. they don’t mind living there. they have fewer children and their genetics will slowly go away generation by generation.

    the public education system is how they convert new followers and the higher education system is how european leftists reproduce.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @John Johnson
  102. Trinity says:

    Blacks don’t want “equality” because THEY CANNOT COMPETE ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD, that is why they want affirmative BLACKtion.

    I have no problem with Blacks dominating football, ( haven’t watched it in 3 years now and don’t miss it at all) basketball, ( never liked basketball though I wasn’t a bad player despite being under 6′) or track events in track and field. Blacks are more talented and gifted for performing certain athletic events and to say they are not is akin to someone suggesting that Blacks on the average are more intelligent than Whites. Horseshit is horseshit and the TRUTH is the only thing that matters to me.

    Obama WAS NOT qualified to be an American President. Oh, he kissed the Jew ass which has been the number one requirement to be elected to any position in Washington, D.C. for at least a century now, but the stammering, teleprompter reading Obama never even had a REAL JOB before going to Washington, D.C. Obama’s wife, Moochie, went to an Ivy League “skoo” just like Barry, but we are told that good ole Moochie was probably as smart as the average middle school kid. Once again, Blacks don’t want “equality,” they want special privileges.

    Should we have a professional basketball league for people under 6’4″? HELL NO. Nobody watches the NBA now, who in the hell would watch a poor man’s version of it? Does anyone watch the WNBA? Does anyone watch women’s boxing? I am on board with Abraham Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson, both races, Black and White suffer living among each other and they are NOT meant to share the same society. While surely Blacks suffered the most from slavery early on, Whites have suffered far more in the last 60+ years having to live and deal with a race that is more different than the White race than any other race. The only way there will be peace between the White and Black race is SEPARATION, anyone who suggests otherwise is either an anti-White Jew bent on destroying Western Civilization, a mentally retarded “collage edumucated race expert,” or a drooling, adult diaper wearing, lying white traitor trash like Joe ” I am a Zionist” Biden.

    • Agree: bruce county
  103. This writing shows to what a remarkable degree Ron will just dig in on a bad position and attempt to hold it beyond all reason. He sees one poll and declares victory.

    But California’s liberal political elite have lost at the polls before and still rolled right over their opposition in the state. They’ve done it on issues as various as immigration, capital punishment, and gay marriage. They do it by using the state courts or, if they have to, by simply ignoring the will of California’s voters.

    Take capital punishment, which for years was a popular position for any politician in this once “purple” state to take. Even today the death penalty still commands majority support among Californians. Unlike other issues, such as gay marriage or immigration, the state’s courts were also of no help to liberals in directly overturning capital punishment, perhaps because the example of Rose Bird was still too much in their minds.

    None of that mattered. The last person executed in California was in 2006, even though there are over 700 California inmates currently on death row. A few of them have been waiting for their ultimate sentence for over thirty years. More have died of Covid-19 in the last few months in the state than have been executed over the last twenty-five years.

    Liberals didn’t need to overturn the death penalty. They simply gummed up the works. While they made no effective legal challenges against the institution of capital punishment, they did challenge it so successfully nearly everywhere else that a de facto ban was in place even before the current governor issued a moratorium on it.

    This is what makes Ron so dumb. He trots this poll out like it even matters. It means absolutely nothing. It’s as meaningless as all that garbage spouted by Neocons about socially conservative Hispanics. As I told Ron before, and as Pat Buchanan should’ve told him back in the mid-1990s, it doesn’t matter what common Hispanics think. It only matters who they elect. And the people Hispanics have elected are committed to overturning affirmative action. So shall it be overturned.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Alden
  104. Anonymous[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @Exile

    Excellent post. My only disagreement is that the Jewish plan for the White race is much darker than you suggest.

  105. @Ron Unz

    And keep in mind that the boilerplate EO/AA language you quoted regards *employment* at Caltech, not admissions, which isn’t the issue under dispute. Anyway, aren’t all universities legally required to have such language since they receive government funds?

    Here again is the passage I quoted to you earlier, but this time with three small highlights. Pay particular attention to the final one.

    Caltech attracts the brightest and most creative minds in the world to populate its faculty, research and administrative staffs, and student body. Caltech fosters an environment where various perspectives are valued by seeking out exceptional individuals from a broad range of backgrounds and experiences. The CCID website provides information for prospective students, undergraduate and graduate students, postdoctoral scholars, faculty, employees, and community members to help serve and grow its diverse community of individuals. As an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer, Caltech encourages women, minorities, veterans, and disabled persons to apply for Institute jobs, research and faculty positions, and admission.

  106. @Happy Tapir

    They gum up the system and virtually cannot be disciplined or fired.

    This is what the libs and even many conservatives don’t get.

    If you are normally hiring from the top 5% you can’t just throw someone in the from the bottom 5%.

    Everyone notices as the machine nearly grinds to a halt.

    For certain positions the organization cannot apply affirmative action. They can try until it fails so badly that everyone notices and views management as complete dolts. The pool just isn’t there.

    So what they do is double down in areas like marketing under the incorrect assumption that anyone can do it. Well ever noticed how awful and stupid so many commercials are? This is because of corporate AA marketing hires that lack marketing analysis skills and just approve commercials based on feels.

    It’s not just for blacks. I’ve seen it done for a big fat White homo. We should have a big flaming homo like on tv! Will be so much fun. He quit in a month.

    The war against nature continues.

  107. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    I can’t even remember how many decades ago that I read an article about Knee-grow college athletes in small White university cities, complaining that they were annoyed that “even the Mexicans don’t like us”. If I recall correctly it was because they weren’t getting any, and the Black women were few and far between.

    I would add, that Arabs and Asians have no use for Blacks either, generally speaking. Probably just a coincidence.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  108. @HallParvey

    Despite being part of the “all” you are no longer fooled. Congrats!

    • Replies: @HallParvey
  109. Alden says:
    @Ron Unz

    I’ve always assumed that too. I also assume that locating the CDC in black Atlanta was for the purpose of hiring blacks.

    In fact, most of the federal agencies are located in the big cities which tend to have lots of blacks

    Although blacks are way over represented, like 50 percent blacks in cities and counties with only 10-15 percent blacks.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  110. @Bill P

    BTW, I support immigration restriction. I’m pretty sure a lot of Mexican Americans do, too.

    That is why Cesar Chavez had his members patrolling the border looking for illegal aliens. The “old left” always understood that immigration was the reserve army of capital, used to attack gains made by working people.

  111. Alden says:
    @prime noticer

    Who sends their kids to public schools? No one I know.

  112. @prime noticer

    similar process in NYC and Chicago. the people comfortable with the current situation are self hating europeans and virtue signalers. they don’t mind living there. they have fewer children and their genetics will slowly go away generation by generation.

    the public education system is how they convert new followers and the higher education system is how european leftists reproduce.

    I have been saying this for years.

    Liberals have been breeding off their genetics so they rely on higher education to indoctrinate new recruits.

    I suspect half the reason liberals exist is because so many have a combination of high empathy / low objectivity which allows their empathy to essentially self-destruct against the individual by overruling basic rationality. Marxism/globalism is like a virus and their genetic makeup makes them vulnerable. Most in higher education eventually learn the truth but by that point don’t care as they are too emotionally invested in the cause.

    The question is whether or not they can maintain their numbers through indoctrination. I’m not convinced they can. I have noticed they have been creating fewer Goulds in relation to fuzzier thinkers like AOC. My guess is that the smartest liberals have the fewest children and this is cutting into the quality of their ranks.

  113. Ron Unz says:
    @Pincher Martin

    But California’s liberal political elite have lost at the polls before and still rolled right over their opposition in the state. They’ve done it on issues as various as immigration, capital punishment, and gay marriage.

    Well, yes and no. Remember, politicians like to get reelected, and therefore they pay attention to popular sentiments, even if donors are probably more influential. Everyone in Sacramento assumed a landslide November victory for “diversity” but let’s suppose Prop. 16 loses by 30 points while Trump also loses in CA by 30 points. Lots of politicians would say “Hmmm….”

    Also, don’t forget that Asians are very strongly opposed to AA and they’re well-organized and financially influential, which is how they defeated the previous attempt at repeal a few years ago. Candidates would love to get Asian money, and if they can also get white and Hispanic votes, so much the better.

    Here’s another datapoint. Netflix CEO Reed Hastings and his wife are “good white liberals” and she donated $1 million to the Yes on Prop. 16 campaign, presumably because “all good people” support AA.” But my morning SJ Mercury News had a big front-page story about anti-AA Asians protesting outside the Netflix offices because “Netflix supports racial discrimination,” which surely makes a “good white liberal” feel bad:

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/09/17/proposition-16-why-some-asian-americans-are-on-the-front-lines-of-the-campaign-against-affirmative-action/

    Don’t forget that I successfully wiped out Bilingual Education in CA back about 20 years ago, something that absolutely no one believed would ever be remotely possible.

    Incidentally, Reed Hastings had been a big Bilingual supporter, but when he realized that he’d been mistaken and it was just a stupid policy that didn’t work, he became a leading anti-Bilingual figure, and as President of the State Board of Ed helped make sure it was stamped out in CA and also in his home state of MA.

    So changing a massively entrenched policy is possible, though admittedly very difficult.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
    , @res
  114. @Ron Unz

    While touching the subject of Covid 19and testing for it I note that you haven’t, to the best of my recollection, applied your numerate intelligence to the implications of false positives and false negatives.
    Cf. https://www.takimag.com/article/keeping-the-government-healthy/print
    Dr Tony Daniels deals there with what seems to be a major absurdity in government proposals if not yet policy. It has even been promoted by a usually sensible doctor- broadcaster on ABC RN (Norman Swan).

  115. Alden says:
    @Pincher Martin

    That’s very true. The California state assembly is full of Hispanic representatives elected from carefully gerrymandered districts.

    Despite the naturally conservative pro small business, anti teen sex anti abortion anti single motherhood law and order, etc etc etc conservatives Whites dream of, the Hispanic reps vote for the craziest liberal laws in like robots. And living together without marriage for years is normal. Seems to be an Indian custom or something
    Hispanics are entrepreneurs though. But historically, most immigrant groups started out as small business people.

    Every time I have to deal with a government agency I’m always glad to deal with a competent , pleasant Hispanic than the snarling completely incompetent blacks we were afflicted with for so long.

    California liberals love the Hispanic state assembly. They vote for every insane liberal thing that comes along but don’t riot and commit crimes as blacks do.

    They might attend catholic and evangelical churches but few weddings in those churches and they do have the highest abortion rate of all races.

    White advocacy/ nationalism is entirely different from conservatism.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
  116. Trinity says:

    Lets take two members from the list of “victimized groups” that make up the upper echelon of the Marxist totem pole of privilege, Ellen DeGeneres and Oprah Winfrey. DeGeneres is a lesbian so that scores some points with the Marxist fascist who tell us how to live and breathe, and of course Winfrey is Black which gives her major bonus points because Blacks are second only to Jews on the Marxist totem pole. Obviously both are female which gives Oprah points, but not DeGeneres, Ellen only receives an obligatory golf clap on that one since she is w-h-i-t-e. Oprah being a Black female ranks third on the Marxist totem pole of privilege behind only the Jewish female and Jewish male respectively. Winfrey has enough gall to disrespect this country and call it racist? Give me a break. Oprah is overweight, unattractive, has no worthwhile talent and makes billions for doing NOTHING. She should be on her knees every single night and thank God Almighty, that her African brothers and sisters sold her ancestors to the Jew or White man and brought them to America.

    Both of these females, despite all the obstacles of being a “victim” in a racist, homophobic, and misogynistic, White patriarchal society are MEGA RICH. How did these women make their millions, or in Oprah’s case, billions you ask? Largely by talking to people sitting next to them. Sure they have made cash with investments or other means, but how much of the work or research was done by Oprah or Ellen? Neither one of these women have a talent, neither one has a REAL SKILL at anything that I know of? These two UBER RICH women live like royalty because they make millions talking to people, the same with that bald douchebag, Dr. Phil, Jerry Rivers aka Geraldo, and other people who don’t contribute shit. At least those spoiled brats that play football have a talent, although no single player should make more than 200 thousand a year and the price of a ticket to see a pro game should be DRASTICALLY REDUCED so the Jew owners don’t make money off the backs of other people’s talent and skill.

  117. @TKK

    If this perfect storm wasn’t planned, good fortune has abandoned us.

    “You can’t be forever blessed …” That was Paul Simon in the mid-1970s when things looked bleak. America got quite a bit of a reprieve and a few more good decades, but we did not make use of this time we were given wisely.

    As usual, California is a harbinger to things to come for us all. We’re not getting out of it nicely this time. This song fits the 2020s a lot better:

    • Agree: TKK
  118. @gotmituns

    Affirmative Action is in every sector of our lives,

    In reality, it isn’t, and what is being promoted as Affirmative Action, isn’t. It is an artificial quota system.
    A real Affirmative Action program looks at what is preventing employees from being promoted. It then offers assistance to any employee to upgrade his/her skills to be promoted. For new hires, it may be a longer probationary period to assist those with borderline education or skills to become successful. All of this was entirely in line in the days when employers believed in investing in their employees, that is to say, in the days before “Human Resources”.
    The “Human Resources” mindset is that employees are like parts on a shelf. You decide what part you want, then order that part. If an employee/part is struggling, regardless of the reason, you replace the part, and do not address what may be causing the part to fail. Almost 30 years ago, Henry Mintzberg, who taught in the business schools at McGill and Strasbourg, criticized the HR trend, and business schools in general, for pushing MBAs stating, “the wrong people, for the wrong reason, at the wrong time”. His argument was that traditionally MBAs were people who had graduated, worked for 10 -15 years in one or two industries, then returned to get an MBA, after they understood how the real world actually, not theoretically, works. The “new” paradigm was to create a class of people with no or little working experience, and inject the theoretical model into reality. He predicted the results would be a disaster, and it has been, because it is these types who have infested “Human Resources”.
    On another note, well over 20 years ago, I read an article about in house education for employees. On average, Germany, at the time, provided 22 or 23 days per year, per employee and Japan was a day or two less. They were at the top of the scale of industrialized countries. South Korea was about half of that. The US was about 6 days per year, and Canada about 4 days per year. Is there any wonder why Japan and Korea, in particular, were eating North America’s lunch, that was it. I do not recall China being on the list, but given Korea and Japan were Chinese competition, there is no reason to believe they would ignore the success of their competitors, as has been done in the Anglosphere, which “thrives” on and endless supply of foreign cheap off the shelf parts.
    Until there is a return to the old model, which includes low (preferably no) immigration, we are doomed.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  119. The overwhelming majority of Hispanics work in the private sector, often in small businesses where most or all of the other employees are also Hispanic.

    This pattern of self-segregation (community preservation) among Hispanics (as well as most Asian-Americans) is no accident. It also explains why many Asians and Hispanics have a visceral aversion to ‘affirmative action’. They understand that these do-good laws could come back to bite them.

    Many dynamic immigrants are entrepreneurial, culturally cohesive, and upwardly mobile. Yet they still wish to preserve their ethnic-based communities. No non-white ethnic group intends to surrender their community cohesion for the silly sake of ‘diversity’. Absurd. (This is especially true if Blacks get tossed in the picture.) So ‘affirmative action’ is viewed, properly, as a threat since Blacks are still a hopeless nuisance and can be used as a progressive battering ram against other, healthier communities

    Could you imagine if Hispanic-owned businesses in Calif (like so many white-owned businesses) were forced to hire Blacks in numbers equal to what’s occurred throughout the ‘White’ community?–or forced to desegregate their ethnic neighborhoods (such as East LA) to include thousands of African-Americans or underachieving Samoans?

    Fugeddaboutit!

    How would Chinatown be affected if 10% of its population was Black?

    Disaster.

    So the Chinese strategy has always been to maintain tribal exclusivity, which includes hiring. Let the tourists be diverse–(and affluent.) But keep the Blacks and Mexicans out. This racist strategy has worked well for the Chinese. Thus non-Chinese have no hope of renting a residential or commercial space, for instance, inside San Francisco’s Chinatown. This also goes for hiring.

    Similarly, many Hispanic-owned business in Calif are entirely free of Black employees (and even White ones.) This trick is achieved by offering jobs which require ‘bilingualism’ (‘must speak Spanish’). This permits widespread job discrimination by Hispanics.

    Whites on the other hand aren’t allowed to act (or even think) in ways that preserve their (racist) communities. Instead, it’s ‘All Men are Created Equal’–(and interchangeable.) Yeah right.

    But ethnic/racial composition matters. This biological fact was taken for granted (even among Whites) only 70 years ago. Liberalism, mass media, and judicial activism however have changed our laws as well as our way of seeing reality. Indoctrination works.

    LA, for instance, has recently welcomed a new ethnic enclave called ‘Koreatown’. It’s official. How wonderful! Homogeneity and cultural continuity is still celebrated in Calif. But only for non-Whites.

    Meanwhile, Jews get their very own, militant, expanding, race-based country–subsidized unconditionally by Uncle Sam. No cognitive dissonance there.

    Fortunately for Hispanics, Asians, and Jews, most US government agencies only target Whites when it comes to quotas and ‘diversity’. But now that we have entered the era of BLM, watch for US-based corporations pick up the slack. Affirmative action is to remain alive and well-funded, one way or another.

    You.! White man! Back of the line!

    • Replies: @Hacienda
    , @RadicalCenter
  120. @Wizard of Oz

    Well, Brazilians are apparently not among the people you observe. In Brazil, we see behavior which is completely opposite of that. A lot of people of apparently white ethnicity have declared themselves “of color” in order to be admitted to public universities. This kind of cheating has become so widespread that now racial examining taskforces have been set up in order to inspect if those self-declarations comply with “reality”. Recently one of those students was expelled for lying in his racial self-declaration (he was not the first one).

    Note also that American occurrences of racial fakery have been repeatedly reported by Steve Sailer on his blog, only not in the student environment, but rather in the professional one. Just yesterday he did a post on a case:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/another-affirmative-action-fraud-is-caught/

  121. vinteuil says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    …the quite discussable idea that a conservative Catholic Republican might have been able to mount and ride a groundswell of Latino voting…

    I gather you’re Australian?

    So you can’t be expected to know much about the modern history of the Republican party. If you did, you would know that, at least from the presidency of Nixon to that of Bush II – in other words, for forty years, it absolutely relentlessly pushed the line that Hispanics were “natural conservatives” who only voted Democrat because the G.O.P. didn’t do enough outreach.

    So for decades the party leadership, in league with the big business cheap labor lobby, ignored the wishes of their voters for effective immigration control.

    Well, f___ that s___. Bitter experience has proven that this idea of a “groundswell of Latino voting” for the American version of the right is not “quite discussable” – it’s quite laughable.

    • Agree: Alden, Achmed E. Newman
  122. Anon[223] • Disclaimer says:

    Interesting,
    I honestly don’t feel bad for Asians anymore with these kinds of policies. While Chinese Asian immigrants strongly oppose Affirmative Action, most of the young Asians do support it.
    https://sociologicalscience.com/articles-v6-21-551/
    http://aapidata.com/blog/asianam-affirmative-action-surveys/

    The change in behavior that led to for instance the Harvard campaigns by opponents of Affirmative Action was caused by a large rise in foreign born Chinese, which are the only real Asian group to oppose Affirmative Action. Chinese American children and all other Asians(both foreign born and American born) strongly support Affirmative Action.

    On the other hand, has affirmative action really impacted the wages of Asian Americans and White Gentiles in a negative fashion? I just thought that the placement of unqualified people into prestigious colleges had the impact of reducing the value of certain degrees, or at least gave incentive for employers to be more cautious into who they are hiring.

    Lots of my friends have been discriminated by the universities even though their qualifications are good, and they always ended up doing really good in life, converging to where they were supposed to have been. But that’s just my impression.

  123. res says:
    @Ron Unz

    I haven’t look at PPIC polls in some years, but I’m pretty sure that back in the early 2010s they always broke out the Asians (and maybe the blacks), and since Asian numbers have risen substantially since then, it struck me as rather suspicious.

    I just looked at this July 2012 poll.
    https://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/survey/S_712MBS.pdf

    Even though they have a larger total sample size they still do not break out Asian and black likely voters. They also indicate Asian and black proportions of adults are about the same as now.

    Sample sizes for Asian and black likely voters are too small for separate analysis.

    Findings in this report are based on a survey of 2,500 California adult residents

    The sampling error for subgroups is larger: For the 1,668 registered voters, it is
    ±3.2 percent and for the 1,131 likely voters, it is ±3.6 percent.

    We also present results for non-Hispanic Asians, who make up about 14 percent of the state’s adult population, and non-Hispanic blacks, who comprise about 6 percent.

    Are you sure you are remembering correctly that they used to present results for Asian and black likely voters? The registered voter sample there is also just about large enough to report all groups. Perhaps they only report Asians when they can report both Asians and blacks? Which would kind of make your point.

    If you’re interested in Prop. 209, you really should read my long article on the history, since it’s a subject in which I do have quite a lot of expertise and knowledge. For many years I was probably ranked as the leading conservative expert on race/ethnicity issues:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/california-and-the-end-of-white-america/

    https://www.unz.com/author/ron-unz/topic/affirmative-action/

    Thanks. I remember Prop 227 as being one of your claims to fame. I just read that article. Although I don’t think I had read it before, some of the themes echo through your other writings so were familiar. But the tying together of the history of those three measures (187, 209, and 227) and your role in each was very helpful for me.

    (For anyone else reading that article I recommend taking a look at the link at the end and the links mentioned in comment 20 as well.)

    Your deep background in this is a big part of why I am glad you are engaging with Prop 16 here.

    P.S. This caught my eye in your 1999 article. How times change…

    Senator Barbara Boxer, a Left-liberal Democrat, urged the construction of a border fence with Mexico, to be manned by California’s National Guard; Senator Dianne Feinstein, a moderate Democrat, advocated a huge increase in the border patrol;

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  124. @Ron Unz

    Asians in the state have very good reason to be against affirmative action. They can compete with anyone. They don’t need a leg up. So they are right to be highly suspicious of any attempts to massage academic and work results for social justice reasons in order to help underperforming minorities. They know it will hurt them at least as much as it will hurt whites.

    But Asians are a small voting minority in the state compared to the combined power of Hispanics and blacks. There are three times as many of the latter than of the former. Even if this issue makes Asian Democrats move over en masse to the GOP – which it clearly won’t do – it will hardly matter. Asians who vote Democrat are about seven percent of the state’s voting population. The Democrats, and therefore the liberals, will still control the state.

    So Asians can be safely ignored.

    Hispanics, however, do not have good reason to be against affirmative action. They are among its prime beneficiaries. And the Hispanic leaders know this even if their Hispanic supporters do not. And ultimately it’s more important how Hispanic judges and Hispanic-populated legislatures rule on a particular issue than what a poll shows about Hispanic attitudes on that same issue.

    Don’t forget that I successfully wiped out Bilingual Education in CA back about 20 years ago, something that absolutely no one believed would ever be remotely possible.

    Did you wipe it out? Did Prop 58 get defeated in 2016?

    I think you’re living in the past, Ron. California has moved on. Yet you keep regurgitating the same lines of argument you were making in the nineteen-nineties which have already been disproved. Your idea of Caltech’s admissions, for example, clearly seems taken from that earlier period.

    The Pat Buchanans of the world were right. Had you listened to him with care at that lunch in the mid-90s, California would be a much better state.

    • Replies: @Trinity
    , @Ron Unz
  125. Mr. Hack says:

    Ron,
    All of this is great, however, to really nail it don’t you think that it would be valuable to “Ask A Mexican” especially one from California and get the whole story from the ground up? C’mon Ron, isn’t it time that you upped his salary a few pesos and get the man to come back and make your blog space more interesting? It’s high time for you and Gustavo to kiss and make-up (of course with masks)? 🙂

    Remember this guy, Ron? A great writer, but how many times can you reread his old posts here?

  126. res says:
    @Ron Unz

    That article links to a poll which is worth talking about here. An excerpt.

    The Asian American Voter Survey, a separate poll that Ramakrishnan oversees, has consistently found that most Asian Americans as a whole support affirmative action. But while that support has remained steady over the years among other nationalities, it has fallen substantially among Chinese Americans.

    The latest survey, released this week, found Chinese Americans opposed Proposition 16 by a 38-30 margin; the other 32 percent of voters were either undecided or didn’t know. Among all Asian Americans, 36 percent said they supported the proposition, while 22 percent were opposed and 42 percent were undecided or didn’t know. The survey received support from Asian Americans Advancing Justice, a group that supports affirmative action.

    The poll results are available at
    https://aapidata.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/aavs2020_crosstab_CAonly.html

    Here is the Prop 16 question. Notice that all of the Asians except the Chinese are net in favor.

    Q16B: This November, California voters will be asked to vote on ACA5 Proposition 16, which is a ballot measure that would restore affirmative action by repealing Proposition 209, which prohibited the state from considering race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in the operation of public employment, public education, and public contracting.Thinking about this ballot measure, if the election were held today, would you vote Yes or No or are you undecided?

    And in case anyone is overly enthusiastic about Asian opposition to affirmative action, I recommend taking a look at the responses to these questions as well.

    Q14_2: The government should do more to give Blacks equal rights with Whites

    Q16A: Next, do you favor or oppose affirmative action programs designed to help [SPLIT SAMPLE Blacks/Black people], women, and other minorities get better access to higher education?

  127. @Alden

    Hispanics are entrepreneurs though.

    Hispanics certainly have their own cleaning services, food trucks, and many are small-time contractors. But they aren’t building the kind of productive businesses that make the future.

    For example, I can’t think of a single Hispanic owner of a major Silicon Valley firm. Not one. I can think of many immigrants who have built cutting-edge businesses here in the valley, but none are Hispanic. They are Chinese, East Indians, Koreans, Taiwanese, Russians, even South Africans. But none are Hispanic.

    I’m sure I’m overlooking a local Hispanic corporate owner somewhere, but the fact I can’t think of one in an area that is so heavily-populated with Hispanics shows they are very rare.

    Meanwhile, their poverty rates are about double that of whites in the state. Their jobless rates are slightly higher. Their incomes are much lower. And their wealth is even lower than that.

    Is importing poverty and compliant (at least for the time being) peon labor a good long-term policy for the U.S.?

    • Replies: @Alden
  128. Levtraro says:
    @eggplant

    The anecdote was an interesting illustration of the point being made with poll numbers.

  129. Agent76 says:

    AUG 21, 2020 Thanks To Democrat Rule, California Is Officially A Failed State

    California’s Democrat Gov. Gavin Newsom is urging the residents of his failed state to turn their thermostats up to 78 degrees.

    https://climatechangedispatch.com/thanks-to-democrat-rule-california-is-officially-a-failed-state/

    Jul 20, 2020 Housing crisis forces Californians onto the streets

    The housing crisis in California has reached a new high. One America’s Allysia Britton takes a look at the issue.

    Jun 21, 2019 California: America’s First 3rd World State

    If you want to know the Democratic Party vision for America, you need only look at the left coast paradise of California.

  130. Trinity says:
    @Pincher Martin

    “The Pat Buchanans of the world ” have helped place us in the position we find ourselves now by only telling MOST of the truth instead of the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Granted, the Pat Buchanans and the Ann Coulters of the world aren’t on the same disgusting level with Joe ” I am a Zionist” Biden, but they are definitely muzzled or controlled opposition. Buchanan even picked a Black female as his VP running mate once, talk about “affirmative action” and whoring out to the religion of Political Correctness. Granted, Buchanan was said to have considered the late Jim Traficant as his VP selection before getting a taste of Brown Suga, ( don’t know much about Traficant other than he SPOKE OUT AGAINST (((YOU KNOW WHO))) so that scores MAJOR POINTS as far as I am concerned.) I even voted for Pat in 1992, but that was about the time I was just becoming “woke” to the JQ and thought that people like Pat, Lush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter were total truth speakers. Boy, did I learn about controlled opposition. Buchanan is only a level up from people like Alex Jones IMO.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
  131. Levtraro says:
    @Curmudgeon

    “I would add, that Arabs and Asians have no use for Blacks either, generally speaking.”

    What? Do you know how many blacks are arabs? There are lots of them in saudi, the quintessential arab country, many of them having good positions in business, academia, government, the military.

    • Agree: Sya Beerens
    • Replies: @Trinity
    , @John Johnson
  132. Trinity says:
    @Levtraro

    Arabs, like their Jew cousins, are two faced when it comes to Blacks. I have no idea why a lot of Blacks would prefer the Muslim religion over Christianity or any other religion for that part, when you consider that the Arabs were more brutal to African slaves than anyone. The Arabs are the TRUE slave masters of the world, responsible for enslaving Blacks and Whites. Even the Jew receives more heat from Black leaders about the African Slave Trade than the Arab, while MOST of all the blame is on Whitey. Of course, leaders like Calypso Louie and “the reverends” will NEVER blame their African brothers and sisters for slavery, but it is baffling how Arabs ESCAPE criticism for their GIANT ROLE in the African Slave Trade. A Black person adopting Islam to me is akin to a German adopting Judaism. Oops, isn’t Trump part German? Well, I guess you can’t be blamed for what your daughter does after she is an adult. Just because a Black person lives in Saudi doesn’t make them an Arab. This is the same bullshit where a black as coal Jamaican born and raised person living in London is described as an Englishman. Back to Arabs and Blacks. I have spoken to a couple of guys I used to work with who are from Lebanon, they are the typical two faced Middle Easterner when it comes to Blacks. They suck up to Blacks and talk about Whitey when it is convenient but when alone, the N-bomb and monkey this and monkey that comes out on the regular.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  133. @Trinity

    Since Buchanan has routinely been called an anti-semite for over thirty years for his positions and opinions, you’ll have to explain, beyond a meaningless VP pick, how he’s been muzzled.

    Buchanan was right on immigration in the 1990s. Ron was wrong. Buchanan was right on the culture wars. Ron was MIA.

    If Buchanan does not have the full range of crazy opinions on Jews that Ron has, wherein they become the center of the universe for all political questions, then that is also to Buchanan’s credit.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  134. Hacienda says:
    @mark green

    LA, for instance, has recently welcomed a new ethnic enclave called ‘Koreatown’.

    LA as in Louisiana? The one in California has had one for decades, there was even an earlier Korean enclave located near USC that dates back to the Japanese occupation.

    And Koreatown is not exclusive at all. Far more Hispanics there than Koreans. It’s very mixed and trendy. Go to a Korean BBQ and half the patrons aren’t Korean. In fact it got “heady” and you’d see a big sign that proclaimed that Koreatown was the “Real Downtown” of Los Angeles. Yes, this will all come back to bite S. Koreans on the hiney. The S. Korean media is pushing diversity and glorifying mixed marriages.

    • Replies: @Alden
  135. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    I reckon most Hispanics consider themselves white, even if they reject the label

    Every Hispanic I have met and discussed this with makes a distinction between paler Hispanic and the “Anglo Whites” or gringos of the US and Canada. They may consider themselves white in certain contexts (the census leaves few options for mestizos) but they still largely differentiate themselves from those of Northwest European descent.

    Which side will Hispanics break for? 

    Based on their voting patterns, they’ll break for blacks most of the time. Like Asians, Hispanics will continually vote for the black party to their own detriment because they’ve bought the con that the GOP is a bunch of nazi white supremacists (if only). Disagreeing with the democrats about one or two issues doesn’t stop them (Asians especially) from voting blue come November. Asians throw a fit about affirmative action but how many of them still voted for de Blasio? As long as they’re in the coalition of the fringes nothing will change and they’ll vote Fuck Whitey if it advances their minority interests.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @anon
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  136. @Bill P

    They are a natural conservative constituency, but nobody is talking to them besides me

    When will this idiotic lie end? The GOP has spent years pandering to the “natural conservative” hispanics to no avail. They are supposedly hard-core Catholics but will vote in hard-core abortionists, they are largely opposed to gun rights like other minorities, they have no affinity for free speech, and they’re enthusiastic about handouts and an expanding bureaucracy. If they’ll vote democrat as devout Catholics then clearly their religious conservatism plays little role in their voting habits and they’ll go for gibs and racial demagoguery instead. For those hispanics who buck the trend and actually vote conservative good for them, but in all likelihood their children swallow antiwhite propaganda because there’s advantages to being antiwhite in the modern economy and antiwhite policies benefit those who are not white.

    • Agree: Alden, vinteuil
    • Replies: @Bill P
  137. Anon[773] • Disclaimer says:
    @Exile

    The stereotypes about Latin blood, temper, love of drink etc… were not baseless.

    A famous politician(forget who) once said this about Mexico: There’s only so much you can expect from a country where a man’s manhood is measured by how many women he can sleep with, and how many men he can keep from sleeping with his sister.

    The reason Jews support immigration is to break the host White population and replace them with a more easily-debased and exploited slave class.

    This has been openly stated in the NYTimes by Michelle Goldberg in her article about the Charlottesville protest, with the headline “We can replace them” . In another Times article “Are Jared and Ivanka good for the Jews?” the two Jewish authors stated, “The fundamental question every Jew must ask is: yes, but is it good for the Jews?” — not “is it good for the country?”, or “is it good for the world?”, but “is it good for the Jews?”. Another thing mentioned in that article (or might be another article in the Tablet), “multicultural countries are safer for Jews.”

  138. Ron Unz says:
    @res

    Even though they have a larger total sample size they still do not break out Asian and black likely voters….Are you sure you are remembering correctly that they used to present results for Asian and black likely voters?

    Well, I haven’t looked at PPIC polls in many years and it’s possible that my memory is playing tricks on me. I could have sworn they used to break out the Asian and black numbers just like the LA Times Poll and the California Field Poll, but I guess I was mistaken.

  139. Ron Unz says:
    @Pincher Martin

    But Asians are a small voting minority in the state compared to the combined power of Hispanics and blacks. There are three times as many of the latter than of the former.

    Perhaps you should check your figures, or even bother reading the articles or polls I linked. For California Likely Voters, the totals are:

    African Americans 6%
    Asian Americans 14%
    Latinos 21%

    Asians outnumber blacks both in population and voting by 2.5-to-1. And as the poll revealed, Hispanics generally oppose AA.

    Did you wipe it [Bilingual Ed] out? Did Prop 58 get defeated in 2016?…I think you’re living in the past, Ron. California has moved on.

    You’re the confused individual. Bilingual Ed has been dead and gone in CA for over 20 years, except for a sliver of students in the Dual Immersion programs so favored by affluent Anglos.

    I vaguely recall that 20-odd years ago, something like 70% of Hispanic students spent at least some of their education in a Spanish-almost-only “Bilingual Ed” program. These days, I doubt it’s more than about 2%.

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
  140. @Curmudgeon

    In reality, it isn’t, and what is being promoted as Affirmative Action, isn’t. It is an artificial quota system.

    Affirmative Action is a quota system and it is everywhere but small businesses.

    The EEOC can show up randomly and demand that you prove you haven’t discriminated in your hiring.

    Since most White people either:
    1. Are cowardly
    2. Believe egalitarian lies about race

    They just try to avoid the wrath of the EEOC through AA.

    For governments and large corps it is simply policy.

    A real Affirmative Action program looks at what is preventing employees from being promoted. It then offers assistance to any employee to upgrade his/her skills to be promoted. For new hires, it may be a longer probationary period to assist those with borderline education or skills to become successful.

    That is not Affirmative Action and it doesn’t make any sense. The probationary period is normally 3 months. What are employers supposed to do? Hire people that are taking classes? And pay them to do what? You are now moving the role of the schools to employers.

    Affirmative Action means hiring people that are not qualified for positions where they will never be as good as the top candidates. Even if race didn’t exist you would still run into the same problem if you decided to not pull from top tier candidates. This type of thinking is from people that assume a baseline of equality that doesn’t exist. You think we can just stick anyone in front of a corporate training video and make them a better employee. It doesn’t work that way. The top candidates hit the ground running.

    Affirmative Action is all part of the war against nature. Liberals and even conservatives like Nixon simply decided that outcomes are not equal enough. A wiser route would be to invest in minority training centers rather than just demanding that employers magically fix everything. To this day I have never met anyone that said they had seen AA first hand and thought it was a good idea.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  141. Alden says:
    @Pincher Martin

    I meant small, not even middle sized businesses. Conservatives love small immigrant businesses even if the family is supported by welfare, not the business

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
  142. Clyde says:
    @Alden

    CDC was started in Atlanta in 1046 when Atlanta was a fairly white city. I would think 70% …..Look how stupid the CDC URL is. Must be black webmasters hard at sleep.

    CDC History
    https://www.cdc.gov/about/history/index.html#:~:text=On%20July%201%2C%201946%20the%20Communicable%20Disease%20Center,challenging%3A%20prevent%20malaria%20from%20spreading%20across%20the%20nation.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  143. @anon

    He’s still a jew, he will always be a jew …

    Anon’s comment sounds like an insult, and it probably is, but even though I respect and love Ron for maintaining this sandbox for us to poop in, I nevertheless agree with Anon (though I might have phrased his censure more delicately).

    Ron writes,

    Except for tiny Hawaii, California is now America’s most heavily non-white state, with our white European population reduced to little more than 30% of the total.

    Are “fellow white people,” i.e. Jews included in that white percentage? Because only two cities on the planet have more Jews than Los Angeles. I’ve booked jobs in the service industry here for more than twenty years, and I can emphatically state the percentage of non-Jew whites in L.A. is probably less than 10%. Almost no Mexicans in our database, a surprising amount of black folks, and the rest are Jews.

    I’m personally and permanently hauling my own European milky-white ass across the state line into Arizona end of next month, a small community still 98.5% white. The shock might kill me.

    • Agree: ziggurat
  144. Alden says:
    @Hacienda

    Korea town Los Angeles has long been known as Mid Wilshire It’s so multicultural that even White Americans live there.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
  145. pirelli says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    Yes, let’s reassign “prog” to the lefties, and then this unjustly-maligned musical genre can reclaim its dignity and rightful stature:

    https://slate.com/culture/2012/08/history-of-prog-the-nice-emerson-lake-palmer-and-other-bands-of-the-1970s.html

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  146. Trinity says:
    @Pincher Martin

    Dr. David Duke was right on immigration back in the 1970s and 1980s and speaking of Dr. David Duke, wasn’t someone who was working for Pat in his 1996 run removed because he had helped Dr. Duke in his 1992 Presidential bid. Clowns like Buchanan, Limbaugh, Coulter and the Orange Man RUN from the mere mention of Dr. David Duke as if Duke is Satan himself. None of aforementioned talking heads and our President are even on the same level with someone like Dr. Duke. IF we lived in a HEALTHY SOCIETY, it would be people running away from being mentioned to having ties with people like Coulter and Buchanan, much less pure traitor trash in its purest form like Biden & Company. Dr. Duke may not be all that, but he is certainly more credible and more honorable than sellouts like Buchanan and Coulter ever thought about being. IMO, people like Buchanan and Coulter do even more harm by telling ONLY 90% of the truth than even the hilarious losers over on CNN and MSNBC do by flat out lying. I mean everyone, even the people that support them, have to know that Fredo Cuomo is a douchebag, Don Lemon is a moron, and Al Sharpton is a large mouth bass masquerading as a human being who tells us that Blacks invented calculus and sheeit when we wuz kangz. BUT, some people hang on every word someone like Buchanan or Coulter say, and they do speak SOME truth but mislead on the MOST important issues.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
    , @ziggurat
  147. @Trinity

    Arabs, like their Jew cousins, are two faced when it comes to Blacks. I have no idea why a lot of Blacks would prefer the Muslim religion over Christianity or any other religion for that part, when you consider that the Arabs were more brutal to African slaves than anyone.

    Because US Blacks have been raised in liberalism which places the slave trade and state of Africa onto Whites. Even few Whites know that Arabs were the main slave traders and in Africa and also enslaved Whites for a period.

    I’m actually surprised that there aren’t more Black Muslims in the US and Britain. My guess is that the rules against pork and alcohol are too much for them.

  148. anon[773] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pop Warner

    “Asian” is not a monolithic block. There are the yellow Asians (Northeast Asian-Chinese, Korean, Japanese), the brown Asians(Southeast Asian – Filipino, Thai, Indonesian, Malay, Hmong, Cambodian, Laotian, Vietnamese, Burmese) and the South Asians (Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Sri Lankan). That’s before counting the Central Asians and the West Asians(Middle Eastern – currently considered “white” in the US).

    The only group heavily discriminated against by AA is the yellow Asians; the brown Asians and South Asians are actually beneficiaries of AA, esp. if they are Muslim. In CA if you check the “Asian” box you are required to further specify country of origin. Koreans and Japanese are too assimilated and woke to get into top colleges anymore, so they don’t care and generally support AA, which leaves the Chinese, the newest FOBs as the only group of strivers against AA.

    In 2016 ethnic Chinese voters also voted for Trump at the highest percentage among all Asian groups. This time will be interesting as Trump has been attacking China and calling coronavirus “Chinese virus” etc, as have the neocon mouthpieces like Zerohedge and Breitbart.

  149. Biden did finish his speech (without teleprompter) on CNN.
    He is totally delusional. Absolute confirmation.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  150. Anon[203] • Disclaimer says:
    @MarkU

    You seem to be misunderstanding my intent. That’s not an insult against him at all and I rather like this website. I am merely saying that as a reminder. He’s obviously not among the list of the worst jews out there, but he is, as a matter of fact, still a jew, which explains some of his behavior. Like I said, regardless of how many ‘based’ actions or takes he may have, he is still a jew, which explains for things like his condescending tone against white people or his occasional neurosis etc. You are still dealing with a jew, just a jew that dislikes white people less than his contemporaries.

  151. Alden says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Hispanic north and South American Catholics are completely different from the aggressive, belligerent Irish Catholics in America in the 18th and early 20th century.

    The majority of American Catholics, Germans, Slavs, Italians etc didn’t vote because of their religion at all. It’s not Boston Chicago and New York City 1880.

    Hispanic Catholics, like most American Catholics are Catholics because their parents baptized them when they were babies. They vote democrat not because Biden, Pelosi and other democrats are Catholic but because the democrat party laws and programs favor Hispanics.

    Hispanics have the highest abortion rate in America. That tells you how much their religion means to them. They’re not all Catholics either. The religious ones are fundamentalist Protestant

  152. Anon[203] • Disclaimer says:
    @Durruti

    My comment was in response to someone wondering why he’s got such a condescending tone towards Buchanan. Unz is jewish. Jewish people are condescending and anti-white as a general rule. He is obviously a lot less so than the majority of jews, but he is still a jew and still is going to come off as condescending against goyim on occasion because you have to know what you’re dealing with. That’s just what jews do. Expecting jews to act unbiased is simply not going to happen and if you’re here you should be able to understand that fact.

    • Replies: @Durruti
  153. @Levtraro

    What? Do you know how many blacks are arabs? There are lots of them in saudi, the quintessential arab country, many of them having good positions in business, academia, government, the military.

    Those are Saudi Blacks with mixed ancestry from the slave trade.

    You won’t see Arab or Asian countries welcoming African refugees.

    Arabs import Indians for day labor and then kick them out.

    Only Western countries are not only expected to import Africans but also give them citizenship.

    Liberals would flip if Americans found out about how Arabs have treated Africans. It would harm the narrative that Whites are this evil bastard group that created slavery and ruined Wakanda.

    • Replies: @Sya Beerens
  154. Jmaie says:
    @Happy Tapir

    Some time ago I used to visit the California DMV every other month to purchase permits, we bought in lots of 2,000 and they came in packs of 100 and had sequential numbers.

    There were three different middle-aged black ladies in the section that handled this 45 minute process, all equally proficient. The first ten minutes was spent trying to figure out how to split up the order since the maximum piece count allowed by their computers was 999. Sometimes I got four @ 500, sometimes 3 @ 600 plus one at 200, etc.

    They would then disappear for 20 minutes getting the permits, then 15 minutes making sure the serial numbers matched what was on the receipts.

    Then one day a new 20-something white girl handled my request. Receipts were for 999, 999 and two. Was out the door in five minutes, thinking, “Well, she’ll never last.”

    Sure enough…

  155. White Europeans didn’t have to invade America whipe out its natural inhabitants and replace them with illegally obtained families from Africa

    But they did and they’re the victims of course

    Black only exist because of White and vice versa

    Some gratitude would be great

    • Replies: @Georgia
  156. @Trinity

    David Duke didn’t have lunch with Ron in the mid-1990s. Nor is he otherwise mentioned in Ron’s article above.

    I only mentioned Buchanan for that specific reason. Ron was using him as a foil. Ron was showing that he was right on immigration and Buchanan wrong.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  157. @Alden

    I could do with fewer Tex-Mex restaurants and food trucks if it also meant we could reduce immigration from our southern border. I could pay more for household cleaning and yard services services if it meant reducing immigration from our southern border.

    BTW, one of the stats from Huntington’s old controversial book Who Are We? was that business formation by Mexicans was the lowest among all immigrant groups. I have no idea if that stat is still true, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

  158. “Climate Change” will turn the entire planet “Black”

    Logic dictates

  159. @Zarathustra

    Biden did finish his speech (without teleprompter) on CNN.
    He is totally delusional.

    Don’t be too harsh on a senile old fart.

  160. anon[773] • Disclaimer says:

    How about the goal that Princeton scored against itself today? In an open letter issued Sept. 2, the university’s president Christoper Eisgruber “admitted Princeton’s educational program is and for decades has been racist.” Now the DOJ is opening an investigation into Princeton. Christopher Eisgruber is most likely not a Jew so is actually honest. I’m not expecting the rest of the Jew run Ivy League to come clean, esp. Harvard and Yale.

    It’d be interesting to see which groups Princeton is admitting to discriminating against. Princeton and Dartmouth are the two schools with the lowest Jewish enrollment in the Ivy League, around 13%, while the remaining 6 Ivies are all 22%-30% Jewish. A few years ago Jews complained about Princeton’s “Jewish” discrimination, prompting them to immediately up Jewish enrollment from 10% to 13%.

    Princeton is currently 41% white, 21% Asian, 13% foreign, 10% Hispanic, 8% Black, 7% Unknown.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  161. Daniel H says:

    This sucks. I was hoping that California Good-Whites would be forced to take some of their own medicine.

    Regardless, I think that rigid racial/identity quotas will be America’s future. Whites might actually come to demand such, if only to keep a place at the table.

  162. @Ron Unz

    Perhaps you should check your figures, or even bother reading the articles or polls I linked. For California Likely Voters, the totals are:

    African Americans 6%
    Asian Americans 14%
    Latinos 21%

    From the 2016 Presidential election CNN exit poll for the state of California:

    Whites – 48%

    Latino – 31%

    Asian – 12%

    Black – 6%

    Other race – 3%

    “Latino” plus “black” = 37%, which is more than three times the size of the “Asian” vote (12%).

    Since only 70% of Asians voted for Hillary in 2016, I think a fair determination of Asian Democrats in the state is around 9% of voters. Even if they move en masse on this issue to the GOP, which they won’t, that’s not enough to change anything in a state which Democrats routinely win by twenty points or more.

    Mid-term elections in the state see lower turnout among Hispanic voters (as in 2018), but this year is a presidential election year. Hispanics were 31% of the state electorate in 2016, 27% in 2012, and 23% in 2008.

    So they will be around 30% of the state electorate in this election and more likely on the high side of that figure rather than the low side.

    And as the poll revealed, Hispanics generally oppose AA.

    Doesn’t matter. Hispanic voters will continue supporting the elites who want to change the law. Even if Prop 16 fails, affirmative action will eventually win here. It’s already winning.

    Bilingual Ed has been dead and gone in CA for over 20 years, except for a sliver of students in the Dual Immersion programs so favored by affluent Anglos.

    You didn’t answer my question. Was Prop 58 defeated in 2016?

    The answer is no. Bilingualism is education is back in the Golden State.

    You failed to “wipe out” bilingual education in 1998 because you failed to appreciate how the changing demographics of the state were enhancing the power of the state’s loony liberals. And no battle is ever finished with them.

    • Replies: @Oldtradesman
  163. Durruti says:
    @Anon

    My comment was in response to someone wondering why he’s got such a condescending tone towards Buchanan. Unz is jewish. Jewish people are condescending and anti-white as a general rule.

    I have been on the receiving end of (in this forum), some sharp attacks from Ron Unz. But to curse an entire group of religious sects, all who call themselves Jews, and most of whom are opportunistically interpreting religion and fables as an excuse to Ethnically Cleanse the Palestinian Nation, while, in the case of America, completely dominating our government, and assassinating thousands of our people, JFK, (9/11), and the Liberty, and syphening $Trillions of our wealth, just because of these crimes, – Get the humor?

    However, I have come to understand Ron Unz (at a distance). He knows not what he does – at times. But he has fashioned the best website in America, a website that allows you to say what you wish, (even to personally attack its Owner). That is quite an accomplishment. Hitler lovers are at home with Anarchists (what?), even some blinds who think a vote for Casino Trump will help, and my morning coffee goes down better after I read the articles posted here.

    There have been some great Jews, who have stood up and sacrificed for the truth. Bobby Fisher comes to mind, Arthur Koestler, who wrote the first book, exposing the origin of Modern Jewry. The Thirteenth Tribe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirteenth_Tribe Even Noam Chomsky has had his moments.

    And, in the Entity, several Jews have been jailed along with Palestinians – for speaking the truth.

    I feel your pain. If we Restore our Republic, we night sort this all out.

    Durruti

    • Thanks: mark green
  164. For example, experts believe that Prop. 15—a split-roll tax initiative—appears to be in trouble given its weak 51% support.

    Yeah, but the politicians really want to get their hands on that money, so if this time it fails, expect it to come back again, but next time going after the entirety of Prop. 13. They’ll exploit the racial and ethnic angle (again?), running endless commercials about how unfair it is that younger (read: minority) homeowners have to pay higher property taxes than older people who have owned their homes for 30 years (read: whites).

    Predictably, the real estate market would tank, but for a lot of people on the left that’s a feature, not a bug. A professor from UC Berkeley wrote an op-ed recently making the case that a meltdown would be a positive development, precisely because it would give minorities the discount that they deserve on buying a home. No mention of course of the inconvenient fact that for most middle class people their home is their largest single asset, and that trillions of dollars of middle class wealth would be wiped out in an instant.

  165. Ron Unz says:
    @anon

    In an open letter issued Sept. 2, the university’s president Christoper Eisgruber “admitted Princeton’s educational program is and for decades has been racist.”…Christopher Eisgruber is most likely not a Jew so is actually honest.

    Ha, ha, ha… Of course, Eisgruber is Jewish, as you can see by merely consulting his Wikipedia page.

    As for Princeton’s long history of discrimination, here’s a relevant paragraph from my long 2012 Meritocracy article:

    Meanwhile, any hint of “anti-Semitism” in admissions is regarded as an absolutely mortal sin, and any significant reduction in Jewish enrollment may often be denounced as such by the hair-trigger media. For example, in 1999 Princeton discovered that its Jewish enrollment had declined to just 500 percent of parity, down from more than 700 percent in the mid-1980s, and far below the comparable figures for Harvard or Yale. This quickly resulted in four front-page stories in the Daily Princetonian, a major article in the New York Observer, and extensive national coverage in both the New York Times and the Chronicle of Higher Education.[108] These articles included denunciations of Princeton’s long historical legacy of anti-Semitism and quickly led to official apologies, followed by an immediate 30 percent rebound in Jewish numbers. During these same years, non-Jewish white enrollment across the entire Ivy League had dropped by roughly 50 percent, reducing those numbers to far below parity, but this was met with media silence or even occasional congratulations on the further “multicultural” progress of America’s elite education system.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

    Moreover:

    Next, let us consider the revealing 1999 Princeton case, in which it was discovered that Jewish admissions had been gradually drifting downward for the previous decade or two. The decline partly reflected the changing demographics of the college-age population and was less severe than the decline in non-Jewish white numbers at Harvard, Yale and the rest of the Ivy League, but nonetheless provoked a massive national media firestorm, in which Princeton’s top officials—who were themselves both Jewish—apologized for their university’s apparent “anti-Semitism” and agreed to drastically reform the obviously flawed admissions process.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-gelmans-sixth-column/

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Thanks: mark green
    • Replies: @Anon
  166. Georgia says:
    @Sya Beerens

    The Oral Traditions of nearly all Indian Tribes is that there were people here before them when they “invaded” — the “Mound Builders” and others, some stated to be “white” — they record they went to war and murdered all of them. ALL OF THEM! See any of them around getting fat checks from Casinos? No.

    That’s your “natural inhabitants” that were wiped out. I see your type completely IGNORANT statements all the time. I was friends with Indians in Florida of Casino Tribes they are all extremely happy — such bs put out all the time about the “Noble Savage” myth — the Indian Tribes hated each other and spent most of their time killing each other then teamed up with Whites to do it. They weren’t “wiped” out there are plenty about–many VERY happy how things turned out — they did in fact actually “wipe out” the Natives here before them — go bitch about that, the real genocide that did happen, and stop perpetuating the “hate whitey” fraudulent bs….It wasn’t “Dances With Wolves”– don’t be a clown repeating proven lies…go check out some Casino Reservations….

    • Disagree: Sya Beerens
    • Replies: @Sya Beerens
  167. Bill P says:
    @Pop Warner

    This isn’t a lie. These people really are clueless. Even those who speak decent English are woefully uninformed.

    I understand it’s different with Cubans, but the Cubans who came over here were already politically engaged. The Mexicans, on the other hand, are remarkable for their political apathy. Maybe there’s nothing that can be done about it, but they do not naturally pair up with progressive whites or blacks, so it’s worth some effort to get them on our side.

    The Catholic thing is overplayed IMO. They seem more attracted to Evangelical Christianity from what I see, and I’m Catholic.

    And no, they are not natural free market, traditional Republicans. That’s the lie. They are more akin to blue collar populists. They certainly aren’t progressives.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
  168. KenH says:

    People need to understand that in the corporate world a “minority” is any group other than white male and in some cases bonuses are tied to the amount of diversity one has in their department. Upper managers twist themselves into knots if certain fields within the company are too white but it’s ok if departments are fewer than 50% white. IOW, it’s not ok to have too many white males but it is perfectly fine to have too few of them.

    Affirmative action benefits everyone except white males in corporate America. Affirmative action seems to negatively impact white women more in university admissions at top schools than at large corporations.

    Hispanics now dominate lawn care, landscaping and construction in most states and don’t see much if any diversity. But they don’t want any mayates working on their crews. They don’t have much to worry about anyway because that work is too hard for most blacks.

  169. Not Raul says:

    Hi Ron:

    Do you have a list of yes/no recommendations on ballot initiatives?

    I’m thinking of voting no on everything; but Prop 15.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Not Raul
  170. Trinity says:
    @Pincher Martin

    Point taken. Obviously Buchanan was right and admittedly I have read 4 of his books, I actually purchased 3 and checked out “Churchill, Hitler, And The Unnecessary War” from my local library. Hell, I even purchased Coulter’s “Adios America.” Buchanan and Coulter make excellent points about the illegal invaders in books like “Adios America” and Buchanan’s “State Of Emergency,” which I purchased as well, but they totally avoid the JQ at all costs. People that orchestrated the Immigration Reform Act weren’t Jewish nor were they some drunken Irishman named Ted Kennedy. ( Kennedy is who Coulter blames in her book, “Adios America,” see what I mean about doing more harm by telling only 90% if the truth.) Coulter didn’t dare mention Jacob Javits or Emanuel Celler. ) As good as some of Coulter and Buchanan’s books are, I actually liked both “Churchill, Hitler And The Unnecessary War” and “Adios America”, these books are only good for “normies” just reaching the truth and are alt-lite at best. BIG HOWEVER, telling “normies” that people like Ted Kennedy were the main culprit in passing the Immigration Reform Act is either purposely leading those “normies” down the wrong path or unintentionally giving them misinformation/disinformation. I would think someone like Coulter is fully aware of who authored the Immigration Reform Act so why not spill it a “hunnert percent.” Probably has something to do with ca$h.

    • Replies: @ziggurat
    , @Pincher Martin
  171. ziggurat says:
    @Trinity

    Ann Coulter has been good on immigration:

    Conservatives think they’re so clever to point out that all of the cities being turned into war zones are run by Democrats. Yes, that’s true.

    On the other hand, your country is burning. Might you want to give 10 seconds of thought to how to prevent even more cities — and states — from falling under these pernicious leaders?

    No, no, immigration is just a “single issue”! Let’s get back to “Obamagate”! How about another pro-life march? Whither Iran? We need school choice now! Why do you carry on so about the wall? Immigration is just “one issue.” Yes, it’s the one issue that is going to make you lose every other issue, forever.

    https://anncoulter.com/2020/06/10/why-you-no-longer-recognize-your-country/

  172. Ah California, every white trash supremacists favourite boogeyman after Jews. When they point out how uniquely bad California is because it’s majority nonwhite they seem to forget the true trash holes of America where white trash runs things like Alabama and Mississippi. I think we need to put Mexicans in charge of Alabama and Mississippi to teach some civilization to the backwards white trash that lives there.

    • Troll: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
  173. ziggurat says:
    @Trinity

    You could also blame the Irish, as Ted Kennedy was Irish, as was Philip Hart of the “Hart-Celler Immigration Act of 1965”.

    You could also blame Congressman with immigrant grandparents, as both Hart and Celler had immigrant grandparents.

    I wonder how much of the support for the 1965 act was due to:
    1) prosperous times in the USA of the 1960s and the resulting patriotism
    2) having a large number of leaders with immigrant grandparents

    This is why people shouldn’t be allowed to vote or serve in government, if anyone in the last 3 generations of their heritage was not born in the USA. There’s so much sentimentality about immigration, such that many people are thinking more about their grandparents, rather than their own children. It should be obvious that any changes to laws affect the future, not the distant past.

    Certainly, the JQ is a big factor though. Even moderate Jews tend to really love “diversity”, as in less white people.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Ron Unz
    , @KenH
    , @anon
  174. @Pseudonymous1

    No one ever expects anything good out of the southern states. Alabama, Mississippi and the rest of the southern states are bad places to live because they have such high percentages of black residents to go along with their underperforming whites.

    That is not true of California. We make it bad here by design. We make it bad here without the excuse of a large population of black ne’er-do-wells or a large population of former slave owners. We make it bad here despite our glorious history of being the most desirable place in the union as recently as a few decades ago.

    When did anyone in the U.S. ever think Mississippi was the most desirable place in the union?

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Troll: Tlotsi
  175. @Trinity

    If most Republicans thought like Coulter and Buchanan, the country would still be much improved. Instead, until recently, they thought like John McCain, George W. Bush or Mitt Romney and now they are inclined not to think at all.

  176. And she died two month before finish line.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  177. Corvinus says:
    @Dr. Doom

    “This multiracial fantasy CANNOT WORK. Its against nature and ignores OBVIOUS REALITIES that can no longer be hidden.”

    Tell that to the Frisians, the Celts, the Jutes, the Romans, the Britons, the Angles, and the Saxons, friend.

  178. Ah California, every white trash supremacists favourite boogeyman after Jews. When they point out how uniquely bad California is because it’s majority nonwhite

    No actually California is the example that people use when we are told we just need to “vote blue” to solve our problems.

    They haven’t figured out how to keep the lights on and have some of the lowest test scores but the media tells us that the Democrats have all the answers.

    Don’t take that as an endorsement for Republicans.

    Neither party is taking our problems seriously but California is an example of what happens when you let liberal Democrats have full power. They spend billions on their half-baked plans and then blame Whites or the feds when they fail.

  179. Even if Prop 16 gets slaughtered, government bureaucrats will continue to push AA policies.

    The only way to combat the AA beast that refuses to die is to make government as small as possible, and thereby minimize the amount of taxpayer financed AA.

  180. @Zarathustra

    I am curious if Trump will be able to pull this one off.

  181. Alden says:

    Ruth Bader Guinsberg just died.

  182. @ziggurat

    You could also blame the Irish, as Ted Kennedy was Irish, as was Philip Hart of the “Hart-Celler Immigration Act of 1965”.

    Along with all the other “Great Society” Democrats that were going to prove that race didn’t exist through immigration and massive government spending programs.

    The Irish Catholics were set to prove that God is just as egalitarian as them. His work just needs some nudging via hundreds of billions of dollars.

    They sure showed us.

    (slow clap)

  183. ziggurat says:

    Ron Unz wrote:

    But such demographic factors explain only part of those lop-sided 2016 election results since white Californians supported Trump at a rate 20-25 points lower than whites in the rest of the country. If America’s entire white national electorate had voted like its Golden State counterpart, Trump would have lost all fifty states, mostly by huge landslides, and suffered by far the greatest electoral disaster in American history.

    The above is totally true.

    But I also know that in California, whites voted 45% for Trump and 50% for Clinton.
    Yet, California’s not whites voted 23% for Trump and 73% for Clinton.

    https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls/california/president

    It’s true that only 45% support would be crushing if every state voted the same. But as mentioned in Ron’s comment above, other states voted 20-25 points higher for Trump. For example, in Texas, whites voted 69% for Trump, whereas non-whites voted only 29% for Trump.

    https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls/texas/president

    I think that Californian whites are not inherently left-wing. Whereas today the state is only about 30% white, the state was 89% white in 1970. When it was more white, it elected Nixon and Reagan multiple times. My guess is that mass immigration has resulted in some selection bias, causing lefty whites to enter the state and non-lefty whites to leave. So, in that way, mass immigration has caused the state to be a Democrat stronghold.

  184. @Georgia

    So it’s everyone else but you? At least I’m not desperately hiding behind “history” and pseudo statistics over and over again.

  185. @Corvinus

    Yes, those people are just as different and incompatible as europeans and africans. Excellent analogy as always.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  186. Hacienda says:
    @Alden

    Mid Wilshire runs several miles west of Koreatown. And it’s never been synonymous with it. Of course, whites live in Koreatown. But, not many. When I lived Koreatown in the mid 80s you could still get a sniff of the remnants of 1920s and 30s Hollywood through whites that were proximally related to that time. I ate dinner at The HMS Bounty and you could still hear conversations that sounded like something out of Frank Capra movie. Conversations about horse racing, “Tommy tried his luck on the 4;1, came up empty…” With that straight old Hollywood movie delivery. The Wiltern Theater, the Brown Derby, the studio housing on New Hampshire, Berendo, Catalina above 6th St. (fantastic housing btw). The Talmadge, Langer’s. The tragic story of The Ambassador, and its oddball rebirth as a super glitzy but run of the mill high school. All off it smelled like Old Hollywood. Alas, it’s all gone. Just the architecture, nothing of the spirit, not even the last of it.

    • Replies: @Alden
  187. @Corvinus

    Tell that to the Frisians, the Celts, the Jutes, the Romans, the Britons, the Angles, and the Saxons, friend.

    None of those groups declared that Sub-Saharan Africans were merely Europeans with a tan and completely interchangeable with any other group.

    I honestly wish liberal egalitarian assumptions were correct but everything I have read leads me to believe they are wishful thinking and billions of dollars will not only fail to change that but could be spent in more productive areas.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  188. annamaria says:
    @anon

    Is this a frustrated ADL activist voicing her/his frustration in the ADL-specific way?

  189. @anon

    Is this supposed to be a clever response. Is this what passes witty in white nationalist circles? Saying “he’s a jew” is not an argument, you moron. If you think he’s wrong, refute him with facts and logic….which appear to be foreign concepts to low IQ buffoons like you.

  190. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Now the CDC is a federal agency based in Atlanta, a mostly black city, so I’d assume that a large fraction of CDC managers and professionals are AA blacks.

    No. Not at all. Sure, half of CDC consists of paper pushing – and there it’s your typical fedgov employment picture. The other half is sciency – that’s the part that totally screwed up the new coronavirus test on several levels. The quasi-science employees are heavily white and Asian – more or less the same as at NIH. Which is exactly what you’d expect when a typical formal requirement is a PhD/MS in biology or related STEM field from a non-stupid school. So the pathetic performance of CDC on this one just reflects general idiocracy trends in higher education.

  191. @Greg Bacon

    Bureaucrats carry out their duties according to the law or their orders. It’s politicians who decide to close power stations according to their political beliefs. Global warming is real but people also want a reliable power supply. Solar and wind power is only half the solution. You still need cheap storage of green power.

    The political decision in California to have power failures may provide an opportunity for a profitable technical solution and go down in history as a wonderfully successful gamble. It may also be a complete failure. That’s what gambling is.

    If a solution is found, it may also have nothing to do with California. The USA is not the centre of the world and there’s more to the USA than California.

    As an Australian who does not suffer when California does, I naturally like its sacrifice for the world in general. That’s admirable. Perhaps the locals aren’t so happy but they may believe their power failures aren’t deliberate. Maybe they think it has something to do with bureaucrats or Martians or something. [email protected]

    • Replies: @bomag
  192. @Pincher Martin

    “Voters in California officially ended the era of English-only instruction in public schools and lifted restrictions on bilingual education that had been in place for 18 years. Proposition 58 passed by a 73-27 percent margin. What happens next though, could get complicated.”

    https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/11/25/502904113/bilingual-education-returns-to-california-now-what

    Also, I don’t think “affirmative action” ever ended except in name. There are workarounds. California employers continue to “value diversity” in making hiring decisions. There are legal and tax issues involved, which incentivize “diversity.”

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  193. @anon

    You’re clueless. Have you even been to Mexico or any other Latin American Countries? Look at the boxer Canelo Alvarez. Are you going to say he’s not white? There are plenty of hispanic/Latinos who are as white or even whiter than him.

    • Replies: @anon
  194. ANZ says:
    @Anonymous

    This is a very important dynamic to consider. Yes, activist judges can and do dictate social policy from the benches independent of the electorate. In my lifetime I have seen this working to enact liberal agendas against a popular vote backing more conservative positions.

    Government jobs in CA have been implicitly very anti-white by being pro minority in hiring for some time now. University admissions has been the same. Heather Macdonald did a good book on the matter. She pointed out in her book that affirmative action for admissions is banned in CA yet still happens anyway. The courts are silent when lawbreakers work on behalf of their agenda. What ethnicity dominates law…?

    I don’t see how affirmative action won’t be overturned. If not this voting cycle, then next. CA is being overrrun with lower IQ immigrants both legal and illegal. Although lower in intelligence, they are not dumb enough to vote against more bennies for themselves and their oversized and often illegitimate broods. They need the AA to make more money and they will recognize this.

    Come on, the fact that this repeal the AA ban in CA is even on the voting block tells you where the tide is turning towards.

    • Replies: @Alden
  195. Ron Unz says:
    @ziggurat

    You could also blame the Irish, as Ted Kennedy was Irish, as was Philip Hart of the “Hart-Celler Immigration Act of 1965”.

    Well, I’d hate to side-track the discussion, but there’s a widespread belief that the Hart-Celler Immigration Act of 1965 is largely responsible for America’s changing demographics. However, this is factually incorrect. The 1965 Act didn’t OPEN America’s borders, it CLOSED America’s borders.

    I explained the misconception at length towards the beginning of this article:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-building-a-wall-and-hispanic-crime/

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @ziggurat
  196. Ron Unz says:
    @Oldtradesman

    “Voters in California officially ended the era of English-only instruction in public schools and lifted restrictions on bilingual education that had been in place for 18 years. Proposition 58 passed by a 73-27 percent margin. What happens next though, could get complicated.”

    Well, Prop. 58 passed in 2016, and as far as I can tell, absolutely nothing happened, just as I had always predicted. Virtually all children in California public schools were being taught English before passage, and that’s the same today.

    Bilingual activists are an *exceptionally* energetic and agitated group of individuals, and if there had been any appreciable shift back towards Spanish-language instruction, they would have ensured that every newspaper in the state widely covered the story. Instead, the total silence since 2016 has been absolutely deafening.

  197. Anonymous[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    The 1965 Act didn’t OPEN America’s borders, it CLOSED America’s borders.

    You’re overselling that argument, IMO. I didn’t do any research on that particular subject but the borders were certainly not “CLOSED” since then. Maybe you should explain how long did that all-caps “closing” last and what other force ripped the door off its hinges.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  198. Ron Unz says:

    Let me provide a few datapoints regarding California politics, focusing on San Jose, the big city in my area, which has a population of 1M, split almost evenly between whites, Asians, and Hispanic. It’s a very liberal Democratic city, and the 11 member City Council has five Hispanics but only a single (Vietnamese) Republican. But overall it also seems very well run, probably one of the best large cities in America.

    (1) Despite all the crazy Black Lives Matter agitation, the city has almost totally ignored lunatic calls to “defund the police.” I think they finally agreed to allocate something like 1% of the police budget to improved community services.

    (2) There was a huge push for lesser “police reforms,” including banning rubber bullets, with loud demands from protesters, “activists,” and even the (white) Mayor. But the City Council just voted 10-to-1 to back the police and keep rubber bullets.

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/09/15/san-jose-stands-by-police-use-of-rubber-bullets-in-some-crowd-situations/

    (3) A couple of weeks ago, there was a “racial diversity controversy” over the naming of a new park in the Japantown area. Originally, the Parks staff had suggested “Heinlenville Park” after John Heinlen, some German immigrant from the 19th century who had helped develop the area. But the (white) Parks Commissioner and his officials said San Jose already had too many parks named after white men, and should support “diversity” by naming it “Sakura Park.”

    However, there was a grass-roots revolt by the local Japanese and Chinese residents of the area, who strongly supported “Heinlenville Park” and lobbied the City Councilmembers and County Supervisors on the issue. So the City Council voted unanimously to override their Parks Commission and go with “Heinlenville Park.”

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/08/31/san-jose-grapples-over-name-for-proposed-park-in-japantown/

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/09/02/san-jose-city-council-gives-nod-to-heinlenville-park/

    One nice thing about reading local newspapers is that they give you a flavor of the political dynamics of your area. My views about California in general and my region in particular come from decades of reading these local newspapers, which may be quite different from what people get from reading Breitbart or Tweets by agitated rightwing activists.

  199. Ron Unz says:
    @Anonymous

    You’re overselling that argument, IMO. I didn’t do any research on that particular subject but the borders were certainly not “CLOSED” since then.

    Well, go ahead and read the link I provided. Prior to the 1965 Act, the US allowed UNLIMITED legal immigration from Latin America. If not for the passage of the 1965 Act, legal Mexican immigration might easily have reached 3-5 million per year by the late 1980s and early 1990s.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-building-a-wall-and-hispanic-crime/

    • Replies: @Oldtradesman
  200. dvorak says:
    @Bill P

    Republicans just need to bone up on Spanish

    Pansy-ass Hispanderers like Jeb Bush don’t get Mexican-American votes.

    Badass Viking descendants like Arnold and Donald do get Mexican-American votes. “I love Trump Tower Tacos and big f-ing sombreros!”

    • Troll: Sya Beerens
  201. @Ron Unz

    Now the CDC is a federal agency based in Atlanta, a mostly black city, so I’d assume that a large fraction of CDC managers and professionals are AA blacks. I wonder if that had something to do with it…

    You should delete that Ron! You sound like Leo Frank for Petes sake! C’mon man!

    I was working in Atlanta back when they built the new CDC facility. Depending on the neighborhood, most big businesses in the city are pretty evenly mixed. Its usually an even mixture of black, white, and latino folk. Most of the white folk from the suburbs around Atlanta drive to the city for work. So even if there are lots of blacks living in Atlanta, a lot of its workers drive in from the suburbs.

    CDC likely has lots of black womens working the phones, probably mostly blacks some whites and latino working in labor/shipping/receiving jobs, most of the janitors are probably black, accounting probably mostly white/asian, but I would suspect all the important management and scientific type jobs are white, “jews”, dot type injuns and asians.

    So unless you’re really gonna let the janitor hang, it was the crackers, “jews” or perhaps the Indians fault.

    I’m more inclined to just blame the whole for profit, corrupt healthcare system as a whole though. As well as all of our production being offshored the past few decades. Greed kills! The failure to effectively lockdown to isolate the virus early on, letting flights in from all over, and no masks during the early days didn’t help either.

    As far as affirmative action, shouldn’t whites be getting it now that they’re becoming the minority? A lot of white people are pretty dumb nowadays as well. Often not a lot smarter than black or latino. Strange times!

  202. Alden says:
    @Hacienda

    Korea town has expanded into Mid Wilshire in the 35 years since the mid 80s. Most of the stores on the block the HMS Bounty is on have been Korean for 20 years. Koreans have bought so many apartment houses west almost to Fairfax there are constant complaints from blacks and Hispanics about housing discrimination.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
    , @Whitewolf
  203. Alden says:
    @ANZ

    You’re right that Prop 209 has never been enforced. I wonder if there was ever any intention of enforcing it. Maybe it was just a bone to throw to Whites to keep us in submission to anti White liberals

    It will be nice if the overturn Prop 209 proposition doesn’t pass. But it won’t matter affirmative action will always be the law and private business practice in America.

    • Replies: @ANZ
    , @Ron Unz
  204. anon[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @eggplant

    “I remember having lunch with Pat Buchanan in DC.”

    Considering that Ron was active in Republican politics in California in the 1990’s and was high-profile as he ran for the Republican nomination against Pete Wilson in 1994, having lunch with Pat Buchanan
    isn’t surprising. Its not like he was bragging that he had tea with the Queen the last time he was in London! I think you’re getting your knickers in a twist over nothing.

  205. Alden says:
    @Ron Unz

    It’s strange. Me, husband, my family, friends and our businesses and employees are completely different from all the outraged Whites in other states think about California. No one’s even tattooed. And most of our highly paid employees are White married with kids men. Plus blue eyes and fair skin.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  206. Art says:

    The low level of Hispanic support for Affirmative Action may surprise many rightwingers, but it makes perfect sense. The overwhelming majority of Hispanics work in the private sector, often in small businesses where most or all of the other employees are also Hispanic.

    In no way do the Mexicans or Jews want to change anything – Mexicans has a monopoly on manual labor in California. If there was a quote system, they would lose jobs to whites. The Jews have no problem hiring low wage illegals.

    A typical Jew small business has all Mexican labors and Mexican labor supervisors. Spanish is the first language. The office is all gentile and Jew, speaking English. The second in command is a Jew family member. One of the gentile office workers wears better clothes and has a better apartment. She is the owner’s shiksa.

  207. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    …but they really don’t like blacks.

    I don’t think any group of people really like, welcome or truly desire blacks. Why would they? What contribution to blacks make to any society they live in? What area has ever been improved by the arrival of blacks? A Chinese girl, for instance, would be disowned by her whole family if she married a black guy. I don’t even think blacks really like blacks. Look at the rate of black on black violence and killings. Look at how a black athlete or entertainer hightails it out of the hood for good as soon as they hit the bigtime.

  208. @VICB3

    Good point. If the minority group(s) are now a majority then why do they need minority-boost programs? And if whites are now a minority, and presumably no longer calling the shots, why shouldn’t they benefit from the policies?

  209. @Ron Unz

    “The Immigration and Nationality Act, signed at the foot of the Statue of Liberty on Oct. 3, 1965, abolished the national origin quota system, under which immigrants were chosen on the basis of their race and ancestry. The quotas set aside tens of thousands of visas each year for immigrants from Northern and Western Europe, while many countries in Asia, Africa, and the Middle East were allocated barely 100 slots each. It was a blatantly discriminatory system.

    “Under the new law, immigrants were to be selected on the basis of their family connections in the United States and the skills and training they could offer, with all nationalities treated more or less equally.”

    https://www.npr.org/2015/10/03/445339838/the-unintended-consequences-of-the-1965-immigration-act

    Prior to the 1965 Act, the US allowed UNLIMITED legal immigration from Latin America.

    Trying to understand this. So, prior to Hart-Celler, there were tens of thousands of visas each year for immigrants from Northern and Western Europe, but unlimited visas available for Latin Americans?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  210. @Clyde

    The URL? Sorry, you’ll need to explain.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  211. Ron Unz says:
    @Oldtradesman

    Trying to understand this. So, prior to Hart-Celler, there were tens of thousands of visas each year for immigrants from Northern and Western Europe, but unlimited visas available for Latin Americans?

    Exactly.

    (1) Prior to 1924, America allowed unlimited immigration from around the world (except for China and Japan).

    (2) The 1924 Act sharply restricted immigration from Europe, Asia, Africa, and the Middle East. But the 1924 Act never applied to the countries in Western Hemisphere, including Latin America and the Caribbean, which were still allowed unlimited immigration to the US. The main reason was that the Southwestern business interests wanted to keep their unlimited supply of low-wage labor from South of the border.

    Basically, for decades almost all the immigration-activists have gotten their historical facts upside down and backwards. Over the years, more and more of them have become aware of their mistake (partly because I’ve explained it to them), but they’re mostly too embarrassed to admit they had spent so many years misinforming their readers.

    • Replies: @mark green
    , @John Johnson
    , @utu
  212. joe2.5 says:
    @JosephB

    Well, he means liberal and no, this has nothing to do with “leftie”.
    Anyone with even a minute’s worth of historical culture could answer that in fact “liberal” and “left” are not only completely unrelated but antithetical. Liberals make a lot of noise for cultural diversions like your right to smoke whatever and screw whomever you want, not to mention the right of trannies to become torturers, but always fall in line to support Empire and the CIA state — after much handwringing. The left is based on the principle of opposing colonial and imperial war.

    Can you see what the Democrats and journalist riffraff have done with the words in such a short time, making it hard to even have a quiet discussion any longer…

  213. @Ron Unz

    The main reason [for unrestricted immigration from Mexico] was that the Southwestern business interests wanted to keep their unlimited supply of low-wage labor from South of the border.

    Ron- This can’t be true. Are you aware of Operation Wetback? Under Pres. Eisenhower, over 1,000,000 illegal immigrants (primarily from Mexico) were rounded up and deported over a 12 month period in 1954 alone.

    This immigration law enforcement initiative occurred when America was still considered a White country that acted in the interests of its White majority. This includes even White farming and business interests. That’s right. Even US business interests (because they recognized the deleterious impact that massive, Third World immigration on US society) generally favored the program of massive, forced repatriations of ‘undocumented’ immigrants to Mexico.

    Even as late as 1955, nearly 250,000 illegal immigrants from Mexico were deported over the course of just 12 months. These deportation initiatives were also bipartisan. Under Pres. Truman, some 727,000 illegal aliens were deported to Mexico in 1952. (See: Bracero program.)

    Your ‘cheap labor’ theory is not consistent with actual US history. Please revise.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Ron Unz
  214. Clyde says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    The CDC URL – Do not use % signs. Use dashes. Other problems too

  215. @Ron Unz

    Ron damns San Jose with faint praise.

    How many large U.S. cities have actually defunded their police to any substantial degree, if we define “substantial” as a cut of more than ten percent of the police budget? Ten, maybe? Fewer?

    So I suppose it’s to San Jose’s credit that they have not defunded their police, but given that until recently the city was having trouble attracting enough qualified applicants to its police academy in the first place, I’m not sure why we would be surprised.

    https://abc7news.com/san-jose-police-academy-recruits-cadets-pension/349217/

    San Diego increased it police budget, but it’s about the only city in California where a Republican even has a chance to be heard and its current mayor is in fact a Republican.

    In Sacramento, a councilwomen with the surname Valenzuela, has asked that $10 million be removed from the city police department’s budget of around $150 million, but the mayor says he “wants to hear the details,” which is code for he’s not supportive.

    Los Angeles cut its police budget by around 8%, but that appears to be a marginal and mostly symbolic cut – a cut which was most likely coming anyway with Covid-19. (By comparison, NYC has moved to cut its police budget by 17% and Minneapolis is looking to defund its police force entirely.)

    Not surprisingly, San Francisco looks to be making the largest cut among the five largest California cities to its police force with a cut of approximately 10% over the next two years ($120 million from an annual budget of $600 million).

    Fresno, which is California’s fifth most-populous city and easily the most Hispanic of the large cities in the state (around 45% Hispanic), is set to debate calls to defund the police. The city council has been “flooded” with calls to defund and there have been protests in the city, but the city’s mayor-elect, who is a former police chief and also an Anglo Republican, says defunding the police is not “realistic.”

    When your leaders look like this, you’re probably safe from dumb ideas like defunding the police.

  216. Hacienda says:
    @Alden

    Korea town has expanded into Mid Wilshire in the 35 years since the mid 80s.

    Mid-Wilshire is less than 10% Koreans. Koreatown is 21% Korean. “Koreatown” is actually a Mexican place where Koreans live is some extra numbers. Don’t be misled by the signage and the names. BTW there are lots of Mexicans throughout Los Angeles. Spanish is nearly co-equal to English. There are many Mexican stores in Koreatown, doing business in Spanish. Don’t really believe the Mexicans want or need your defense. “Housing discrimination” LOL. Ask the blacks what the Mexicans did to them in Central L.A.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  217. @Ron Unz

    Thanks Ron for this fact based cogently reasoned article which I shall send to family who want to know and need to know about American politics and peculiarities.

    I see from the Comments that your case can be quibbled over but I hope you prove right on Proposition 16 and that those who say that AA has not been much affected by Proposition 209 have been wrong.

    When you next turn to macro analysis of the rise and fall of cultures, civilisations and nations I would hope that there was a large concentration on lessons to be learned for the Five Eyes.
    What are the critical variables, and the conditions attaching to them?

    1.Setting aside for the moment the unifying advantages of a world which was stabilised by MAD, is not a nation’s ability and willingness to keep the general standards of life and living moving steadily up for most people a prerequisite to good or any democratic government given the hopeless inadequacy of the demos to know what is actually needed for its long term welfare? My observer’s view is that an America without sea borders and Canada as neighbour might have succumbed to the end of empire long ago because
    (a) it is not only not a democracy, but a plutocracy** with no such unity of purpose as the Venetians had;
    (b) it has impoverished middle America by ridiculously expensive warfare , and health costs, and failure to expand jobs for the modestly skilled – contributing to which has been a decline in educational standards;
    (c)AA and the seemingly impossible task of dealing with the highly visible >10% of the population with low IQs , low impulse control, 80% births out of wedlock, high criminality etc. Impossible maybe even with no utopian SJWs rioting for no rational cause.

    ** the greedy plutocracy is not the whole problem for sustainimg anything remotely like a decent responsive democracy IMO. You can’t perhaps have compulsory voting [I.e. so close to 90$ do vote] because of the size of your racial underclass – though some clever tweaks might counter that problem. But surely a move to Westminster (and maybe Whitehall no-spoils-system) style givernment could be better than a system of fixed four year terms for the head of the executive and two yearly threats to control of Congress – nearly all bought and paid for – would be an improvement. Add election spending controls and maybe even compulsory voting so there didn’t have to be lying scare campaigns to get out the vote [though Australia has them nonetheless] and just maybe democratising the plutocracy somewhat doesn’t seem hopeless at least in theory.

    2. Ethnic mix and immigration policy. Should the Israel/organised Jewry problem be treated as a single item? Was Waizman right when he allegedly said in 1912 that Germany’s 1 per cent Jewish population was already above the limit for gentile nations? [Only UR has introduced me to even the thought of smart Jews – a good deal less than 1 per cent of Australians – not being a big net plus for Australia – now I toy with such diversionary countrrfactuals as there having been no WW1!!! If it wasn’t for Zionism’s most compulsory thuggery would Jews be other than smart modern people whose chief problem was the breeding and welfare sponging habits of the Ultra Orthodox.?]. More important for the smaller of the Five Eyes is the dangers to them if mass immigration was allowed? We, in Australia, don’t need Mexican mestizo to offset blacks as was once advanced to me in favour of American Latino immigration. But how will Australians react if we have not built a sovereign wealth fund or other savings from our time of unearned prosperity from dealing with China when China manages to pay us much less? Have we already too many immigrant negatives when one puts together Lebanese and nearly all other Muslims, refugees from Africa (whose breeding and criminality, though I call them an inoculating dose, are amazingly dislroportiinate) and native white lower class and 2% or fewer indigenous?

    Got to sleep now 😇

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  218. @Ron Unz

    (1) Prior to 1924, America allowed unlimited immigration from around the world (except for China and Japan).

    That’s only a half truth because you aren’t mentioning state laws. Anti-Catholic laws for example served as anti-immigration laws.

    Immigration from the third world was also naturally limited by economics.

    Basically, for decades almost all the immigration-activists have gotten their historical facts upside down and backwards.

    And you are leaving out historical facts and incorrectly depicting pre 1920s America as open to everyone.

  219. @Wizard of Oz

    I Sshould have added to my pars under the ** a suggestion that a huge gain could be made in American “democracy” if the voting system was Australia’s preferential system called by the Brits (who foolishly rejected it) the Alternative Vote. Do not confuse with Proportiinal Representation though Australia has that too, for several Upper Houses.

    • Replies: @ziggurat
  220. ziggurat says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron, thanks for the link to the article, and all your articles too.

    I agree there’s much foolishness in the debate about immigration, but there’s also much inherent complexity (e.g., legislation, demographics).

    Regarding demographics, you wrote:

    If Congress had never passed the 1965 Act, illegal immigration would never have become an issue because legal immigration from Latin America would have remained entirely unlimited. I suspect that the influx of legal Hispanics might have reached 5 million per year by the 1990s, and perhaps the entire impoverished population of Haiti would have relocated to our shores. Immigration over the last fifty years has increased our non-white population by some 60 million, but without the sharp restrictions of the 1965 Act, the figure would surely have been 120 million or perhaps even 180 million.

    For all I know, that may be totally true, but it’s not obviously true. Given how fast immigration increased shortly after 1965, it’s easy to see how people would attribute the change to the 1965 Act.

    You wrote that Latino immigration was low prior to 1965, just because the numbers desiring to immigrate were low. But I can see how people may not be aware of that coincident change.

    Immigration had remained low merely because Mexico and most of Latin America had traditionally been under-populated.

    Yet, I’m skeptical how much the 1965 Act reduced any form of immigration.

    Post 1965, the Latino proportion of legal immigration was still remarkably high, when considering the massive expansion of all non-Western immigration:

    Before 1965, immigrants to the U.S. had mostly come from Europe; 68 percent of legal immigrants in the 1950s came from Europe and Canada. However, in the years 1971–1991, immigrants from Hispanic and Latin American countries made up 47.9 percent of immigrants (with Mexico accounting for 23.7 percent) and immigrants from Asia 35.2 percent

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965

    Also, the illegal immigration increased dramatically.

    Given both legal and illegal immigration post 1965, how much did the 1965 Act actually reduce Latino immigration? In other words, maybe the numbers would be the same, but the % mix of legal/illegal would be different.

    For immigration restrictionists, I think it’s better not to worry so much about how we got to the current situation, as no doubt, there were many complex factors involved (e.g., various laws including but not limited to the 1965 Act, population growth in other countries, economic changes, transportation improvements, communication improvements, etc).

    The bottom line is that this is what our government wants. If the 1924 Congressman were in charge, along with Eisenhower as President, I’m sure they would make changes to reduce immigration. If the will was there, a way would be found to lower immigration.

    This chart shows the immigrant % of population was 4.7% in 1970 and has risen to 14.0% in 2020, after which it will continue to climb 1% per decade.

    The foreign-born are filling 59% of new jobs. 8.0 / (8.0 + 5.6) = 0.59

    BLS statistics indicate foreign-born workers have filled jobs dis-proportionally to their share in the population.

    From 2000 to 2015:

    1) Foreign-born represented 33% of the aged 16+ population increase, but represented 53% of the labor force increase and 59% of the employment increase;

    2) The number of native-born employed increased by 5.6 million (5%) while the number of foreign-born employed increased by 8.0 million (47%)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemployment_in_the_United_States

    This is a good summary of my sentiment:

    One of my frequent email correspondents keeps asking: when did we vote for this? The United States is being rapidly transformed, in ways that appear negative to most Americans–environmental degradation; increased burdens on schools, hospitals, and social services; low wage competition; and cultural fragmentation. So to repeat: when did we vote for this? It is no wonder that immigration is the number one issue of 2015, or that a clear majority if Americans are disgusted with a political class that no longer even pretends to represent their interests.

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/09/our-unprecedented-immigration-experiment.php

  221. Jay Bybee Torture Memo, 9 Circus Federal Judge all that needs to be said about the Calif criminal enterprise USApartheid

  222. But overall it [San Jose] also seems very well run, probably one of the best large cities in America.

    I live in San Jose, and I’ve lived in Sacramento, San Francisco, and Los Angeles. All four of these California cities were run by Democrats when I lived in them – and they still are run by Democrats today.

    San Jose is easily the most disappointing city of that quartet, especially when you consider the wealth that is here. It’s one of the wealthiest cities in the world and by some measures the wealthiest in the U.S.

    But the city doesn’t have a downtown worth a damn. Even a state university in the center of it doesn’t seem to liven the place up at all. And it ain’t black people who are keeping San Jose from becoming a more vibrant city center, since the city has a smaller percentage of blacks than do Portland or Seattle.

    In place of a downtown, San Jose has a very nice shopping mall (which was recently upgraded) and Santana Row. That’s it.

    After my wife and I moved to San Jose, we were shocked to discover that Sacramento, a much smaller city of no real distinction other than being the state capital, has better restaurants. For example, there’s not a single Michelin-starred restaurant in all of San Jose, a wealthy city with over a million people in it, many of them well-educated and discerning consumers.

    Even smaller and far less wealthy cities like Oakland and Sacramento have one Michelin-starred restaurant. And tiny Palo Alto has three.

    There’s no serious culture in San Jose, either. No serious symphony, no theater, no interesting museums. Even Cleveland, a national joke, has a well-respected symphony.

    There’s a bit of pop culture here. The Sharks play at the SAP Center and the 49ers play at Levi’s Stadium in neighboring Santa Clara. But the Sharks play hockey, and somehow the move from SF to Santa Clara diminished the 49ers rather than enhanced the South Bay – last year’s Super Bow appearance notwithstanding. I guess there’s a reason the team didn’t change its name.

    But perhaps some of you feel those things – culture, restaurants, sports, etc. – aren’t terribly important. What about the basic bones of local governance – public safety, infrastructure, housing, services, etc.

    San Jose’s crime rate is low (i.e., few blacks), but it has a problem with the homeless that is hard to fathom for a city that is mostly built like an extended suburbia. Trash is all over the city’s green belts, parks, and along nearly every freeway interchange. Not patchy droppings of garbage, either, but more like the signs of large abandoned encampments.

    San Francisco’s homeless problem is worse than San Jose’s, but the difference is smaller than I expected before moving here.

    The housing market in San Jose is another serious problem, and the city refuses to build at a pace that will solve it. The city’s leaders routinely hem and haw about the lack of affordable housing, and they occasionally makes a big splash in the news with some low-income housing project, but housing will remain a major problem until the city builds a lot more places to live and there seems to be no political will to do so.

    Decrepit infrastructure in need of revamping is a major problem throughout California, and San Jose is no exception. A few years ago there was flooding along the Coyote Creek that drove thousands of San Jose residents from their homes. The problem? A lack of back maintenance along the creek banks. The city’s roads are also awful.

    Remember, we are talking about one of the wealthiest cities in the world. We aren’t talking about Detroit or Cleveland or Pittsburgh or Baltimore. If San Jose is this bad when it’s rich, how bad will it get if the local corporations are no longer world-killers that create such an abundance of wealth?

    What exactly does Ron think San Jose’s leaders have done to merit the distinction of being a well-run city?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  223. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    Basically, for decades almost all the immigration-activists have gotten their historical facts upside down and backwards. Over the years, more and more of them have become aware of their mistake (partly because I’ve explained it to them), but they’re mostly too embarrassed to admit they had spent so many years misinforming their readers.”

    This is really mind blowing. First time I was made aware of the 1965 immigration act it was in Kevin MacDonald’s third book where the 1965 act was subjected to extreme vilification and was given the causative power for many ills. I keep seeing it being vilified quite often in comments here at the UR.

    You have Jedi like qualities of mind to remain so sangfroid when at every step you are forced to encounter the willful ignorance that seems to be never ending. I would have blown the gasket long time ago.

    • Thanks: Ron Unz
  224. @Exile

    To see the true characteristics of a creature, they are best observed in their natural habitat.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

    • Replies: @Sya Beerens
  225. bomag says:
    @Donald A Thomson

    Bureaucrats carry out their duties according to the law or their orders.

    You’re letting them off too easy. They are as politically motivated as anyone.

  226. KenH says:
    @ziggurat

    Certainly, the JQ is a big factor though. Even moderate Jews tend to really love “diversity”, as in less white people.

    That’s why Ron Unz keeps pushing the lie that hispanics are really white people wrapped in brown skin and that white angst over mass migration from Mexico and other latin American nations is much ado about nothing.

    Even most “good Jews” suck on immigration and preserving a white supermajority owing to the ethnic imperative to “destroy the white European goy” that’s hardwired into Jewish genes.

    • Agree: ziggurat
  227. Ron Unz himself is a 2nd generation Eastern European immigrant?

  228. @Bill Jones

    “Natural habitat” in the concrete jungle.

  229. Rich says:
    @Robert Whatever

    A Pale skinned person can jump up and down all he wants, but the rioters and looters are still going to call him White. Smart Jews know this. Leftist Jews in America are only mimicking the old Upper class Northeastern Whites they always wanted to be. These old school WASPs tended to be left-wing back when Jews began their ascent in the US and so that’s who they aped. Think about all that old Jewish whining about getting into Ivy league schools and WASP country clubs, they simply wanted to be WASPs.

  230. @Pop Warner

    Pop, I don’t think you can just change the political culture of a race or ethnicity in a generation or two, unless they come in very small numbers such that they truly assimilate. Though I agree with you wrt the voting patterns (not at all on our side, and you can’t make it up in volume!), I differ on the cause.

    Do (most) Hispanics vote a certain way to “Fuck Whitey”, or is it their centuries-long history of 3rd-world living? See, where all of these people come from, the political/economic world consists of 95-98% poor peons who don’t have time for much beyond earning a meager living and 2-5% who’ve got most of the money and live within walls topped with embedded broken glass to protect it and themselves. There has never been a big middle class in these places in Latin America.

    As we who keep up with history know, the people get upset enough to go Communist occasionally, then things get really bad until some Junta straightens it out, killing quite a few. innocent people along the way, then … rinse and repeat. All the peons can do, if their vote matters, that is, is to beg for or demand money from the government out of those rich folks’ taxes.

    When they come here, in an even higher proportion of the peons, of course, they won’t change their voting habits overnight, or even in a generation. More stuff from The Man! That’s what it’s about. OK, yeah, they go to mass. So freaking what!

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @Pop Warner
  231. Whitewolf says:
    @israel shamir

    Ask these also-whites if they support deporting their illegal immigrant also-white cousins. Then you’ll see how white they are.

  232. Whitewolf says:
    @Alden

    Koreans have bought so many apartment houses west almost to Fairfax there are constant complaints from blacks and Hispanics about housing discrimination.

    The Blacks and Hispanics are dreaming if they think Asians are going to fall for the same Jewdi mind tricks that Whites do. They can complain all they want but the Koreans aren’t going to be guilt tripped. There’s probably not enough “fellow Korean” subversives to get the ball started there either.

  233. @Alden

    It’s strange what impression Californians get regarding what other Americans think of them, if at all. (Yes, there still the starry-eyed ones that give a damn about the movie and TV stars.). Most of the comments here have been written about the racial demographics of the State of California, not the individuals and the number of tattoos they have, Alden.

    I’m sure there are still big pockets of normal white people. It’s just that those pockets are shrinking, proportionally-speaking. It won’t be too long before a bunch of ex-pat Americans down in Uruguay can be just as big a political force as you conservative white Californians.

    It’s a hell of a shame too, Alden. I have spent lots of time there, been in other parts of the world some, and I don’t think one could find a better climate and beautiful varied landscape in one place like that anywhere else. Why’d “you people” give it away. (Don’t get mad, Alden – I wrote “you people” in jest.)

    “They called it Paradise”. I don’t know why, you call someplace paradise, and kiss it goodbye …”

    .

    Caution, some Grateful Dead music is in that linked-to post too. They were nothing if not the quintessential All-American band. If you don’t like The Dead, you have no business living in California.

  234. utu says:
    @mark green

    “Even US business interests (because they recognized the deleterious impact that massive, Third World immigration on US society) generally favored the program of massive, forced repatriations of ‘undocumented’ immigrants to Mexico.” – It seems to be a naive take to attribute to the US business interests your wishful thinking fantasy about the past. Arizona and California growers were against the Operation Wetback. The “United States had promised farm owners additional Bracero labor.” (wiki). The Bracero program lasted till 1964. The undocumented labor was cheaper than Bracero labor so naturally the growers would be against the Operation Wetback.

    • Replies: @cynthia curran
  235. Socrates says:
    @Wally

    Yeap.
    Jewish and Black Privilege

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
  236. @Wizard of Oz

    Despite being part of the “all” you are no longer fooled. Congrats!

    But I once was. Just like everyone else. Possibly the curse of youth.

    The other half of the “old saying” referred to is,”you can fool some of the people all of the time”. Potential voters all. When the time comes to vote, they will vote according to their beliefs. As that time approaches some of the true believers need to be converted into doubters. People who are no longer fooled.

    After November they can, if they wish, return to the comfort of the cocoon. They can resume their faith and trust in the old verities. Whether or not they are actually true. Or they can pretend to, just as many do today. Or they can join the rest of us deplorables as we search for meaning in the reality of nature.

    Being deplorable requires that you throw off the yoke of oppression bequeathed by the Propaganda Ministry in all it’s majesty, and assume among the freedmen of the nation the status that using your own thinking capabilities afford you. Become skeptical. Don’t expect immediate understanding. Possibly never. But the journey will be interesting.

  237. ANZ says:
    @Alden

    But it won’t matter affirmative action will always be the law and private business practice in America.

    Yes, plebes aren’t allowed a say in matters at the heart of our rulers’ agenda. Democracy is only allowed when it aligns with their goals.

  238. Maybe OT, but I don’t think so.

    Currently MSM in the US use the same old tricks Soviet Pravda used when it reported something that went against its beloved narrative. Look at this report of the recent Rochester, NY, shooting:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/19/us/rochester-fatal-shooting.html
    Simple rule is, if the color of the shooter is not disclosed, you can be 100% sure that it’s black.

    Those with experience in reading Soviet newspapers have an advantage: we know that the info is there, but it is “coded” by the narrator.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  239. Anon[773] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    That’s funny. I thought Eisburger looked Jewish, but the name “Christopher” which means “from Christ” is clearly not a typical Jewish name. Per Wiki he was raised Catholic, but as an adult learned that his birth mother was actually Jewish, so converted to Judaism. That leaves Marc Tessier-Levigne of Stanford the only college president out of the top 5 (HYPSM) who is not Jewish. For a time I thought he too might be Jewish as Levigne sounded like it could be a French Canadian derivation of Levi or Levine, but then he named his son “Christian”, so he’s most likely not Jewish.

    I think I learned about Princeton’s “anti-Semitism” complaints from your article. Jews are certainly obsessed with the Ivy League. They act as if these schools belong to Jews, and other groups are only allowed to attend at the generosity and discretion of Jews. In my kids’ schools, the only kids who care about the Ivy League are Jews and Asians. I don’t notice similar Jewish obsession with MIT and Stanford, probably because of their STEM focus. Both schools have <10% Jewish enrollment. At Stanford and UCB, among the most active student groups on campus is the BDS movement.

  240. anon[773] • Disclaimer says:
    @ziggurat

    I think we need to have a new voting system where those who are first gen American citizens get 1 vote, second gen get 2 votes, third gen get 3 votes, fourth gen and up get 4 votes. Those who’ve been here the longest should have the most say in how this country should be run.

    But I have to warn you, my whole extended family of multi-gen Americans (been here since before the civil war, all Protestants of English, Scandinavian and German heritage) are all pretty liberal and pro-immigration, while I know of quite a number of newly minted citizens who are against more immigration, especially illegal, but even legal, for the simple reason that they don’t want their new country to turn into their old by taking in too many of their former countrymen, it would make their immigration pointless.

    • Replies: @ziggurat
  241. Trinity says:

    The Hart-Celler Immigration Reform Act CHANGED THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF AMERICA. The 1924 law was a quota system based on natural origins and directed that 70% of immigration slots be given to northern Europeans. This cut back drastically on immigration from southern and eastern Europe and heavily restricted immigration from Asia and Africa. The Hart-Celler Act ABOLISHED THE QUOTA SYSTEM, the 1924 Act aka Johnson-Reed Act was CONDEMNED AS RACIST. hahaha. Now, who do you think those critics were exactly? By 1980 most immigrants were now coming to America from Asia, Latin America and Africa in numbers FAR GREATER THAN THE PREVIOUS AVERAGE OF 300,000.

    THE HART-CELLER ACT PLAYED A LARGE ROLE IN CHANGING THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF AMERICA, PERIOD. Now, with the FLOODING OF NONWHITES, LEGALLY AND ILLEGALLY into America, America has gone from a roughly 85-88% White nation in 1965 to an ALLEGEDLY 63% or slightly more “White” nation in 2020.

    Kevin MacDonald was spot on with his criticism of this act, and so was Ann Coulter and the many others. THEY were RIGHT.

  242. Ron Unz says:
    @Pincher Martin

    I live in San Jose…San Jose is easily the most disappointing city of that quartet…In place of a downtown, San Jose has a very nice shopping mall…After my wife and I moved to San Jose, we were shocked to discover that Sacramento, a much smaller city of no real distinction other than being the state capital, has better restaurants. For example, there’s not a single Michelin-starred restaurant in all of San Jose…What exactly does Ron think San Jose’s leaders have done to merit the distinction of being a well-run city?

    Well, I’ll have to admit that whereas you live in San Jose, I only rarely visit it, and my opinion is based on reading the local newspapers. So your knowledge is certainly superior.

    It’s also struck me a pretty bland and boring city, just like you suggest, but compared to all the political craziness in San Francisco and so many other large cities, I think San Jose comes off quite well. For example, Portland and Seattle are both smaller and much more heavily white+Asian, and each only has a black population in the 6-7% range. But just consider the lunacy taking place there. You might disagree, but I think San Jose does much better than LA, though admittedly LA is far larger and more heavily black.

    San Jose is one of the 10 largest cities in America, take a look at the others, and with the possible exception of San Diego, I think it does better.

    • Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
  243. Ron Unz says:
    @mark green

    This can’t be true. Are you aware of Operation Wetback? Under Pres. Eisenhower, over 1,000,000 illegal immigrants (primarily from Mexico) were rounded up and deported over a 12 month period in 1954 alone.

    Unfortunately, immigration activists all get confused by Operation Wetback…

    Prior to the 1965 Act, any Mexican or Latin American who wanted to legally immigrant to the US just paid something like an $18 fee, waited a day or two for processing, and moved here.

    However, immigration from Mexico was so loose and unregulated that a large fraction of Mexican immigrants didn’t even bother with those formalities, and just walked (or swam) across the border, saving time and the $18 fee. Normally, that was fine and nobody bothered enforcing any immigration laws, but every now and then during an economic downturn, all those illegals were rounded up and deported, as in Operation Wetback and something similar during the 1930s.

    However, given Mexico’s huge population growth during the 1960s and 1970s and later economic problems, just ask yourself how many Mexicans would have paid their $18 fee and moved here during the 1980s and 1990s. Your guess is as good as mine, but I think we’re talking many tens of millions.

    Incidentally, if you don’t believe what I’m saying, just look on p. 292 of Kevin MacDonald’s Culture of Critique, where he very correctly describes these important provisions of the 1965 Act and some of the political backstory. It’s really not his fault if 99% of immigration activists don’t read his account very carefully.

    • Troll: Sya Beerens
    • Replies: @mark green
  244. @Ron Unz

    The key fact, Ron, is that there has been lax immigration enforcement in the US for decades, even though consistent polling data demonstrates that Americans overwhelmingly favor greater controls.

    Not only have many millions of immigrants from Mexico snuck into the US unlawfully (and deposited many millions more anchor babies here who automatically become US citizens) but the political establishment has ignored (and therefore abetted) this decades-long demographic transformation.

    Utu claims that, indeed, many business interests have exploited this abundance of cheap labor. Even if we accept his point, the surplus labor that we are now facing in the US (due to deliberately lax enforcement of existing immigration laws) is not helping anyone besides 1) the reconquista lobby and 2) those powerful (((Americans))) who have used their money and influence to dilute and disenfranchise America’s fading White majority.

  245. Levtraro says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Narrators are forced to write like that by their bosses (better called comissars). It strikes me to read articles in the European press about Sputnik V, especially after the paper published in The Lancet. The first two paragraphs are all about the evil of Russkies. Then in the next few paragraphs the tone changes substantially becoming more informative and objective. I feel sorry for these narrators. I almost want to write a comment telling them “I feel your pain brother”. It seems to me the Soviet Pravda model employed now in the west is not sustainable.

  246. It’s also struck me a pretty bland and boring city, just like you suggest, but compared to all the political craziness in San Francisco and so many other large cities, I think San Jose comes off quite well. For example, Portland and Seattle are both smaller and much more heavily white+Asian, and each only has a black population in the 6-7% range. But just consider the lunacy taking place there. You might disagree, but I think San Jose does much better than LA, though admittedly LA is far larger and more heavily black.

    A couple of simple questions …

    If you had no family ties, property, employment prospects and/or other relevant personal history to keep you in a particular area, would you rather live in Seattle or San Jose? Portland or San Jose?

    I think most people would answer Seattle and Portland. The quality of life is higher in those cities and the taxes are lower. Yes, they both have looney liberals and those nuts do have a negative impact, but they don’t prevent those cities from being better places to live.

    Even if you make the choice between San Francisco or San Jose, where taxes are generally around the same level because the two cities are in the same state (even if the cost of living is higher in SF), I think most people would still NOT answer San Jose.

    American cities with large Hispanic populations are generally not desirable places to live. Fresno, El Paso, San Antonio, Anaheim, etc. They may not be the shitholes that black-populated cities are, but neither are they interesting or well-run.

    The only exception I can think of is Miami. That’s the only place in America where the Hispanic population makes the city a lot more interesting and fun than it would otherwise be.

  247. Dr. Charles Fhandrich [AKA "Dr.C. Fhandrich"] says:

    The ONLY people that need affirmative action in California, are white Americans…..lol I don’t know who this article is trying to confuse. Whites have been excluded from all of the economic advantages in California that any non white person has received for the last fifty years!!! This includes free or low cost education in universities, business loans and grants and just about any source of money from the state one could imagine…Honestly, I can’t imagine who writes these stories and where their facts come from.

  248. Dr. Charles Fhandrich [AKA "Dr.C. Fhandrich"] says:
    @mark green

    What I personally found the most disgusting about the whole illegal immigration issue was that papers like the Los Angeles Times had been lying about the facts of illegal immigration for more than half a century, stubbornly insisting (lying) that illegal immigrants did not receive taxpayers benefits. They certainly did, even though the Times kept insisting that it was against U.S. law for foreign nationals, illegally in a nation to receive tax payer money. Today, they illegally receive untold amounts of the citizens taxes in California, the only state I can speak about with some relevant background.

  249. Dr. Charles Fhandrich [AKA "Dr.C. Fhandrich"] says:
    @Ron Unz

    San Jose’s “criminal element”, certainly showed up during a Trump rally there.

  250. @Hacienda

    You are right on all counts. Similarly, in “Filipinotown” just west of downtown LA, Filipinos are greatly outnumbered by Hispanics — seemingly the same big three “Latino” groups that increasingly dominate la city and to a lesser extent LA County: MEXICANS, Guatemalans, and Salvadorans.

    It’s not even close. I’d wager that Hispanics outnumber filipinos and all other NonHispanic groups in Filipinotown combined, easily.

  251. ziggurat says:
    @anon

    I like your idea of more votes based on # of generations in America.

    I also agree that you don’t necessarily get immigration restrictions from the natives. Much of my family is very liberal, even though you’d have to go back more than 4 generations to find an immigrant. (In fact, you might have to go back to the 1700s.) We have no immigrant stories in our family.

    Still, if you just look at the voting demographics, you’re going to get different policies.
    Even in liberal California, whites voted 45% for Trump. Non-whites voted 23% Trump.
    In Texas, whites voted 69% for Trump, whereas non-whites voted only 29% for Trump.

    https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls/california/president
    https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls/texas/president

    Trump’s biggest issue was “build the wall”. This issue did not seem to win votes from Latinos/Asians. In Texas, they voted 34%/26% for Trump.

    Of course, I realize race is not the same as immigration heritage, but unfortunately, I don’t presently have any exit poll data on immigration heritage. So, I’m using Latino and Asians as a proxy. Of the two, I’m not sure who are the most recent immigrants to Texas, but I’m guessing it would be Asians. And yet Asians voted less for Trump than Latinos.

    I know a Hindu Indian immigrant woman who told me she likes living in areas with more diversity. When the subject of H-1B visas came up, she said that it’s a globally competitive world and that’s just the way it is. So, I guess we all just need to work harder.

    In summary, my guess is that an election system that gives more say to those who are more rooted in a place, would lead to better policies for everyone, including recent immigrants. The natives care more about their country, understand it better, and thus would be more capable of charting a prosperous, stable course.

  252. anon[345] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pinche Perro

    Looking white does not equal behaving white. Behaving white involves embracing individualism and moralism, two characteristics unique to Protestant Whites, which Hispanic whites, Catholics and Jews seem to be lacking due to their non-Protestant origin, despite their white appearance. Instead, the latter three groups behave more like those from non-Western cultures, embracing a collectivist, situational-ethics culture.

    The feeling of “guilt” is unique to those from a Protestant white culture, but for other groups, it is more “shame” — the fear of being found out and punished keeps you from doing wrong, rather than the feeling of guilt that comes from within due to recognition of right vs. wrong. It is why crime rate is so high among Hispanics and in Latin America and their societies are so corrupt. Catholic Europe and Israel are not far behind in corruption. America is becoming more corrupt because it is now a Jew country, no longer a Protestant white country.

    • LOL: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @utu
  253. @John Johnson

    Read my comment again. Real affirmative action is colourblind and is for employees. Decades ago, before “Human Resource Professionals” arrived on the scene, employers used it as part of succession planning.
    “Top candidates” means who the person hiring sees in the mirror. There are many different perceptions on what is the “top” candidate. Some people do not interview well, but the “top candidate” may be a dud who is very convincing in an interview. About the only people actually hiring the top candidate are orchestras that have blind auditions, and even there, it’s all about what kind of a day the person is having.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  254. ziggurat says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Regarding Australia’s election system, I like the idea of rank-based voting (a.k.a., Instant Runoff Voting, preferential voting).

    And yet, does it actually work to ensure better government? Isn’t immigration too high in Australia? Haven’t gun rights been restricted?

    Also, you favorably mentioned “compulsory voting”, because it results in fewer “lying scare campaigns to get out the vote [though Australia has them nonetheless]”.

    Yet, you mentioned that “Australia has them nonetheless”.

    Sometimes, I think voting systems are really important, but other times, I look at every Western country and we all have much of the same problems.

    I think the media is the killer problem. It doesn’t matter what your voting system is, if the voters are misdirected by a hostile media.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  255. @Achmed E. Newman

    Excellent comment, and I would add that at least in la and oc counties, the supposedly devout and traditional latinos increasingly do NOT attend church.

    And like many white people here, the supposedly traditional Mexicans et al. do little to keep their children from being immersed in the hypersexualized, violent, vulgar, mean spirited, disrespectful, lazy gutter culture of Jewish Hollywood / internet and the glorified African ghetto — and the anti-white and just plain anti-normal groupthink of the “public” schools. Many, many, many rude, unfriendly, untrustworthy, selfish, morbidly obese and/or absurdly tattoed, animalistically sexual / hooker-dressed Mexican-“Americans” around us here in la, suburbs too. Many us-born mexican homosexuals and now some more seriously confused to mentally ill (“transgenders”).

    Our neighbors — and i mean not just one household, but most of a small apartment building— are some of the dimmest, gruntiest, rudest, LOUDEST, most vulgar people we have ever lived near. And this is not a cheap neighborhood, near downtown la. Our esteemed host should deign to live here before his next paean to those “unfairly maligned” hispanic immigrants.

  256. Get off the Hispanic bandwagon, Ron, or move to Mexico with Fred Reed. Non-white Hispanics are as big a threat to the White Race as negroes and jews are.

    • Disagree: Ponce Faggy
  257. Bill P says:

    Ron, you should buy some cheap Spanish radio stations and hire some conservative Mexican Americans who speak fluent Spanish and English and are entertaining. Make up a new network called “Nuevo Americano” or something like that.

    I was driving through eastern Washington in July and aside from the ranchera music the Spanish radio stations seemed to feature mostly ladies talking about spirits and such. Nothing a working class guy wants to listen to while on the jobsite. These stations must be really, really cheap, and talk radio is extremely influential among working class men.

  258. Corvinus says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Hiding being alleged sarcasm won’t save you from your patently anti-white and anti-Western Civilization statement.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  259. Corvinus says:
    @John Johnson

    The fact of the matter is that disparate groups have shown to set aside political and cultural differences and (gasp) procreate with one another.

    It’s who we are.

  260. utu says:
    @anon

    Another home grown self-thought cultural anthropologist?

    The guilt vs. shame culture dichotomy was popularized by Ruth Benedict in The Chrysanthemum and the Sword where she compared American culture with Japanese culture. But one should not take this too literally. The meaning of it is more metaphorical so drawing direct conclusions from it often is a stretch. Shame and embarrassment seat deeply inside just like guilt for normal people who have no sociopathic personality. There is not much difference between function of shame and guilt. Actually if your guilt is only with respect to your personal god you might be less restrained to wrong other people than a person who is more aware of the group to which he belongs and allegedly is controlled by shame only.

    Both Protestants and Catholic cultures are considered as guilt cultures. Various studies show that Catholics actually display higher level of guilt:

    GUILT AND RELIGION: THE INFLUENCE OF ORTHODOX PROTESTANT AND ORTHODOX CATHOLIC CONCEPTIONS OF GUILT ON GUILT-EXPERIENCE
    https://www.jstor.org/stable/23910015

    “Differences between the groups were found: Catholics show more constructive guilt reactions than the other groups.”

    Branscombe, Nyla B; Branscombe, Nyla R; Doosje, Bertjan (2004-09-06). Collective Guilt: International Perspectives – Google Books. ISBN 978-0-521-52083-6.

    “University of Ulster students participated in a study that found a slightly higher level of collective guilt among the Catholic students than the Protestant students.”

    You are right about one thing. The concept of “white” as a racial/cultural identity was constructed in the South which was Protestant. So this is a Protestant folk anthropology idea. To immigrants from Catholic countries like Ireland, Italy, France or Poland as well as from Protestant countries like Norway, Sweden and Finland and to Protestant and Catholic Germans the concept was totally foreign and it was imposed on them in 1950s and 1960s. You can read about it in E. Michael Jones book The Slaughter of the Cities: Urban Renewal as Ethnic Cleansing. Catholic Europeans and most Protestant Europeans do not want to have anything to do with your cultural concept of white.

    As far as the high crime rate in Latin America it is much more complicated. The failed state and narco mafia are to blame. Look at Nicaragua with relatively low murder rate and compare with neighboring Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador. The difference is 4-5 fold. In Honduras murder rate increased four times in last 30 years not because people got more Catholic. Actually Protestant religion grows in both Honduras and Guatemala. The population that identifies as Catholic in Honduras is only 37%.

    Now look at historical murder rate in the US. In 1700 was almost as high as in Honduras now. In 1900 it was higher than in Nicaragua now.

    One could look at how punitive were criminal justice systems in Catholic and Protestant countries and whether it had an impact on crime differences. Perhaps there is a literature about it.

    Now in Europe the murder rate between countries is rather controlled by human development index. Former Soviet republics (heavily de-Christianized) have very high murder rate whether in Catholic Lithuania or Protestant Estonia or Eastern Orthodox Ukraine.

    But among the other countries in Europe there is not much differences. Catholic countries like Italy, Spain, Croatia, Slovenia and Poland have slightly lower murder rates than Protestant Denmark, Finland, Sweden and Scotland.

    To sum you up you are very parochial. You believe that what you see around according to your interpretation can be generalized and extrapolated or as G.B. Shaw put it you are a barbarian:

    “He is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe and island are the laws of nature.” – G.B. Shaw

  261. @ziggurat

    There are so many variables that even the best informed judgement about good or better government is unlikely to convince many people to change existing prejudices. However I note that The Economist a year or two ago had a cover page article on the advantages of Australia’s systems which, it noted, tended to favour the centre ground. (It observed, probably rightly, that, after voting 1. for the Loony Tunes Party candidate a voter’s preferences would probably return to voting for mainstream parties which, today, can be described as right-of-centre and left-of-centre – despite some damage [including at elections] done on both sides by attempts to pull them more to right or left ).
    My worry is that we are unprepared for belt tightening when China pulls the rug from under our relatively easy prosperity.
    It is very American of you to take a negative view of Australian gun laws. It works for us because our history and demography is different.

    I should have said more about scare campaigns. Willie Horton and similarly disgusting, inflammatory ads are what we don’t get in Australia. But occasionally a big lie by Labor saying that some valued employment relations of healthcare policies are to be chopped have worked. I don’t think any system is proof against that but it is therefore a challenge for political professionalism to anticipate and deal with.

    • Thanks: ziggurat
  262. Ron, would you please tidy up what may be loose ends wrt to the Hart-Celler Act and its consequences.

    My attention was drawn to the problem of simply accepting your correction of misunderstandings centred on its relation to Latin American immigration by Mark Green’s reference above to Operation Wetback and the large numbers of illegals repatriated under Truman and Eisenhower. So, there were large numbers who, apparently, could have immigrated legally but didn’t. Why? It seems extraordinary unless there was some simple explanation like aboidznce of a fee and knowing that if they needed to return to do another season’s fruitpicking it wouldn’t be difficult. Was it that simple?

    It occurs to me that Hart-Celler coincided pretty well with the restoration of European prosperity post WW2 making European immigrants less readily available to fill labor shortages. Right? Relevant?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  263. @Curmudgeon

    Read my comment again. Real affirmative action is colourblind and is for employees.

    That sounds like employee training.

    The Affirmative Action bill discussed here is certainly not colorblind.

    Here is LBJ’s 1965 executive order for Affirmative Action
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11246

    It contains a quota system.

    So if you think Affirmative Action should be colorblind you are outside the standard definition.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  264. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Ron, would you please tidy up what may be loose ends wrt to the Hart-Celler Act and its consequences.

    My attention was drawn to the problem of simply accepting your correction of misunderstandings centred on its relation to Latin American immigration by Mark Green’s reference above to Operation Wetback and the large numbers of illegals repatriated under Truman and Eisenhower. So, there were large numbers who, apparently, could have immigrated legally but didn’t. Why?

    Sure, I’ve explained it on quite a number of different occasions over the years, including in a comment right above:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/will-california-restore-affirmative-action/#comment-4173673

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  265. Ron Unz says:
    @mark green

    The key fact, Ron, is that there has been lax immigration enforcement in the US for decades, even though consistent polling data demonstrates that Americans overwhelmingly favor greater controls.

    Sure, you and others can take whatever position you wish on the general immigration issue, and related matters.

    But once you check my reference in MacDonald’s CoC, I do hope you’ll fully acknowledge that I’m factually correct with regard to the 1965 Act and the impact it had on Latin American immigration

  266. Half the mestizo’s drop out of high school and cost taxpayers around one million dollars over their lifetimes. It is the norm for 3rd generation mestizo kids to show up for their first year in school with no English skills at all. They live 2 and 3 families in apartments that pay 1/3 of what it costs to send 1 kid to school for the year. I have a friend who lives in an apartment and his neighbors send 9 kids to school from their 2 bedroom apartment. I know of several Mestizo families who have had children in the local school district for 30 plus years from the same house. The great grandch9ildren are going to local schools now. It takes 25 years of paying taxes for the average house to generate the costs of sending one kid through the system.

    These are only a few examples that illustrate how much Mestizo’s actually cost the USA. The only reason to advocate for more Mestizo’s is hatred of white people. Non white immigration brought nothing the USA needed and has been terrible for white people. Just the way jews like Unz here like it.
    There are zero good arguments for allowing non whites to immigrate to the USA and hundreds of strong reasons not to allow them.

  267. @Ron Unz

    Thanks Ron. My apologies for not having found that reply to Mark Green. At least I have been rewarded by finding that 20 +years reading , much of it in UR, had allowed me to guess the two part answer to my question correctly.

    BTW I take it that you would not regard yourself as an enthusiast for open Hispanic immigration in the way or to the degree you are often accused of. Am I roughly right in saying that

    1. You started with correcting misconceptions about Hispanics/Latinos especially because some appeared to be supported by Steve S

    2. Offsetting the poor quality on any measure (except fast twitch muscles) of America’s blacks and increasing thereby America’s non criminal and employable population was arguably a positive even without strict selection;

    3. The legacy (and continuance) of America’s White Trash (Cf. Nancy Isenbrrg’sexcellent book), including Evangelical Zionists, together with declining fertility of smart WASPs, Jews and, more recently, native Catholics meant that there wasn’t a big quality problem which needed to be countered with, say, Australian or Canadian selectivity? (Or it was too big to be so countered?).

  268. @israel shamir

    Well, per your reasoning, Asian-Americans (which I take to mean mostly Indians and Chinese) would be also-white too. I think that is oversimplifying it a bit.

  269. George Will in his latest insightfully describes Prop 16 as the development of identity politics into a spoils system.

    Proposition 16 should be seen primarily as an act of ideological aggression, a bold assertion that racial and gender quotas — identity politics translated into a spoils system — should be forthrightly proclaimed and permanently practiced as a positive good.

    Some may think the prospect of a spoils system (patronage system) retrograde, but the Proposition nevertheless asserts the State of California’s continuing cutting edge lead of progressive thought.

  270. Iris says:

    Completely off-topic, but according to Wikipedia, today is Mr Unz’s birthday.

    So a very Happy Birthday; best wishes for a long and productive life spent at the service of collective Good.

    • Agree: mark green
  271. @Achmed E. Newman

    The first generation immigrants are less likely to vote democrat than their children. Like all immigrant children, they forget why their ancestors came here because “fuck whitey” advances their interests. Even with Cubans, the so-called conservatives that the GOP relies on in Florida, the younger generation is embracing antiwhite beliefs and the same ideology their ancestors fled from.

    So you’re right, it takes more than a few years. But a couple generations is all it takes to turn an aggrieved minority against whites, and in some cases it doesn’t even take that long since the antiwhite infrastructure is so powerful and pervasive (especially for children). The trends go against rejecting gibs because now not only do nonwhites have a financial incentive to vote, they are motivated by racial hatred as well.

    • Replies: @Sya Beerens
  272. Trinity says:

    My how times have changed in America. Back in the late 1980s I was living in Tampa, Florida, and the only Mexicans I encountered were when I ventured into nearby Plant City, where Mexicans lived and worked picking strawberries. There were Cubans in the area, but this wasn’t exactly Miami and a Puerto Rican here and there. And then, overnight it seems when George Jr. became Prez, I started seeing brown skin Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, and other Central American Hispanics, Dominicans, El Salvadorans, etc. all over the place along with black as coal Haitians, Jamaicans, Trinidadians, etc. While Tampa isn’t exactly a huge town it isn’t exactly Mayberry either so I chalked this up to life in a large metropolitan area. During this same time period a local Catholic church in nearby Brandon, Florida, must have sponsored an exceptionally large group of East Indians, every Sunday you could ride past this church and see a crowd of East Indians gathered outside of this church. All this was happening under Dubya’s watch. So Tampa was becoming darker overnight.

    Often I would drive through smaller towns on my way to the Georgia mountains and stop by and see a few Whites I knew who were still unlucky enough to be living in a 70% Black town of Albany. With each passing year I would see Mexicans popping up in towns with populations of only a couple of thousand people, I mean what the fuck? Anywhere there was a chicken processing plant, a textile mill, a meat packing plant, no matter the size or location of the town, mostly Mexicans and maybe a few other Central Americans were popping up in places that weren’t exactly San Antonio or Brownsville, Texas. Our good buddy, George Dubya Bush and Crew must have really been asleep at the wheel or he was really jonesing for implementing Pappy’s amalgamation of North America/Central America/Caribbean in his New World Order.

    The Mexicans I have encountered are decent and hard working, but then again, I haven’t exactly run up against any cholo types for the most part, HOWEVER, riding through a nearby town where I live which is loaded with chicken processing plants, the Mexicans have just about taken over large sections of that city. The parts that they live in are pretty filthy and rundown, they are notorious for owning pit bulls and allowing these land sharks to run around loose. I have known Mexicans and worked with Mexicans, hell, I was one of maybe three white boys in a factory that made automobile rims, the rest were mostly Mexicans, a couple of El Salvadorans, and one lone Black guy. haha. No Blacks were going to work in a factory that was about 95 degrees and work 6-7 days a week for months at a time. I have NEVER seen harder workers in my life, HOWEVER, my guess is these people had no TRUE loyalty to America and would GAME THE SYSTEM any chance they had. IF we could exchange a Jew, an Arab, a Pakistani, or an African American or any other Black for each El Salvadoran or Mexican that came here, I would jump on that like a roll in the sack with a prime Angie Dickinson back in the day but that taint happening.

    • Replies: @anon
  273. Anonymous[118] • Disclaimer says:

    Instead of artificially bringing some groups down whilst artificially bringing other up, why don’t the underperforming and/or malperforming groups simply raise themselves up to the levels of the groups they’re envious of?

  274. Ron Unz says:
    @Alden

    You’re right that Prop 209 has never been enforced….It will be nice if the overturn Prop 209 proposition doesn’t pass. But it won’t matter affirmative action will always be the law and private business practice in America.

    I don’t think that’s quite fair. I do think Prop. 209 was partially implemented, as can be seen in the black enrollment data at the most elite UC campuses. For example, black enrollment at Berkeley dropped from 5.8% to 1.6% during the twenty years from 1997 to 2017:

    https://www.unz.com/enrollments/?r&ID=110635&Institution=University+of+California-Berkeley

    Could that have possibly happened without a severe reduction in Affirmative Action?

    Also, as I’ve emphasized, politicians generally like to do what’s popular with voters, though donors and media may often have much more influence. So if the attempt to repeal Prop. 209 and reestablish Affirmative Action loses by 30+ points despite massive advantages in campaign spending and endorsements, elected officials may take those lessons to heart.

    As an analogy, a very crucial victory in my successful efforts to wipe out Bilingual Ed in California came in Santa Ana, the most heavily Latino immigrant city in America. For various reasons, a heavily entrenched local politician named Nativo Lopez had refused to implement “English” and all the Democratic politicians in the state were scared of him, because they believed he spoke for the rising demographic wave of Latino immigrants.

    But some local Latino parents got so angry, they organized a Recall campaign with my assistance, and despite his heavy spending and massive endorsements, Lopez lost by a 41(!!!) point margin.

    When the most heavily Latino immigrant city in America produces that sort of voting result, all the statewide politicians pay a great deal of attention, and efforts to resist “English” completely vanished:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/a-spanish-speaking-landslide-for-english/

    http://www.onenation.org/article/santa-ana-s-parents-revolt-in-favor-of-english/

    • Thanks: John Achterhof
  275. res says:
    @Ron Unz

    The details of the Prop 227 battle (and the ongoing issue) are fascinating. I had no idea how many subtleties of political alliances were involved. I guess that is what happens when you have something which cuts across the traditional battle lines in an odd way. And you have people smart enough to know how to exploit that.

    Thanks for the links.

  276. @Pop Warner

    2nd generation “immigrants” vote “class” accordingly just like their native counterparts….the majority of people doesn’t Vote.

  277. @Ron Unz

    What about your Ashkenazi parents?

  278. Not Raul says:
    @Not Raul

    Hi Ron:

    I’m thinking that I might vote Yes on Prop. 19, too, so Yes on 15 & 19, and No on the rest.

    Does this sound reasonable?

    Have you thought of running for Superintendent of Public Instruction?

  279. Qres says:

    Oh, God. Another Hispanics are okay article by Ron Unz.

    Anyway, Unz, I think that almost everybody on here agrees with you that spics are better than negroes. However, being better than negroes isn’t a big achievement in the least.

  280. M_Young says:

    LOL. Pete Wilson was right. ‘English for the Children’ has already been undone both via legislation and via a ballot initiative and now Prop 209 isn’t going the same way.

    Should have listened to ol’ Pete. Demographics are destiny. Even if rank and file Mexicans (they aren’t ‘Hispanics’) don’t like affirmative action, their political class does.

  281. Trinity says:

    A LOT of Mexicans STILL HARBOR A GRUDGE over the Mexican-American War and reconquista is very REAL in their hearts and eyes. While many Mexicans are very hardworking and decent people, human nature being what it is and people being what they have PROVEN to be, ( regardless of race or creed) once Mexicans have the numbers and power, Whitey will be told to take a hike. Even here in the South, MANY Southerners still don’t like Yankees and it really pisses them off that so many snowbirds ruined Florida and are in the process of bringing “Yankeeism” to Georgia, Tennessee, North and South Carolina. I always try to walk a mile in another man’s shoes and I would probably feel the same if I were Mexican, HOWEVER, the Southwest that America took after the war was SPARSELY POPULATED and it wasn’t as if Mexicans built it up. And it isn’t as if the mixed race mestizos had great relations with Native Americans like the Apaches or Comanches either.

    Hispanics, Latinos or whatever the hell you want to call them are often hardworking people, HOWEVER, they had little to do with building this nation. ALL THESE NONWHITE GROUPS WISH TO NOW COME TO WHITE NATIONS FOR FREEBIES AND BETTER OPPORTUNITY AFTER THE WHITE MAN DID THE WORK. Spin it any way you want but truth of the matter is that it was WHITE IMMIGRANTS WHO CAME HERE AND BUILT THE LAND, not nonwhite mestizos, Jews, Arabs, East Indians, etc. America & the Southwest taken from Mexico in the war was a sparsely populated wilderness and it was Whites who bled, sweat and broke their backs building it up.

    JEWS, BLACKS, BROWNS, YELLOWS HAD LITTLE IF ANYTHING TO DO WITH BUILDING AMERICA, SO THERE BEING HERE SHOULD BE REGULATED WHERE THEY ONLY MAKE UP A TINY PERCENT OF OUR POPULATION. Hell, America could do better IF it were 100% White and that is FACT AND COULD EASILY BE PROVABLE. Either America and other White nations WAKE UP and stop this insanity of bringing all sorts of nonwhites to their nations or they wind up in the trash can of has been nations.

    • Replies: @Sya Beerens
    , @silviosilver
  282. anon[260] • Disclaimer says:
    @Trinity

    Maybe you should first move to a Hispanic dominant country and see for yourself if that’s the kind of country you want to live in. There’s a reason why so many want to come here and it’s not all about jobs. Why are these countries so high in corruption and crime? Culture matters.

    • LOL: Trinity
    • Replies: @Trinity
  283. anon[260] • Disclaimer says:

    Maybe it’s time to fix AA by going to a strict quota system where all state flagships must enroll in direct proportion to the general racial breakdown in each state, which means for CA, all the UCs must have the following demo:

    36.8% non-Hispanic white
    35.3% Hispanic
    15.3% Asian
    6.5% Black
    1.6% Native American
    0.5% Native Hawaiian
    3.9% Two or more races

    In addition, mandate that all private universities with less than 25% admission rate to admit in direct proportion to the national racial breakdown, which is currently:

    62% non-Hispanic white
    12% black
    16% Hispanic
    5% Asian
    3% Two or more races
    2% Native American/Hawaiian

    And no more than 5% international enrollment for all flagships and elite privates, or they lose federal funding.

    This is the fairest way for all.

    • Replies: @anon
  284. Trinity says:
    @anon

    WHERE did I say I approve of Hispanics flooding to America??

    MY GOD, MAN, do you read my posts?? IF I had my wish, America would be at minimum, 90% White.

  285. anon[773] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Along with this new quota system, universities that continue to practice holistic admission should be mandated to diversify their admissions team, i.e. white admission officers handle only admission for white students, Asian AO handle Asian admission, Black AO handle black admission, Hispanic AO handle Hispanic admission, multiracial AO handle multiracial admission. Enough with mostly (((white))) admission officers determining admission for all groups.

  286. @John Johnson

    I understand your point, and for the most part agree. However, calling legislation something doesn’t make it what it is labelled. Was the Iraq Liberation Act about liberation or subjugation? Was The Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act about accountability and sovereignty or pandering to Israeli expansion? The reality is, most legislation is titles something it isn’t. The Homeland Security Act would be properly titled the Negating Of Constitutional Rights and Spying On Citizens Act.

    As for the Affirmative Action legislation, it started with Eisenhower, then Kennedy’s Executive Order 10925 – “take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and that employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin”

    My recollection is that the legislation or regulations themselves does not require quotas, but the mandarins implementing the legislation imposed them by practice. Note that from your link,

    Federal regulations require affirmative action plans to include an equal opportunity policy statement, an analysis of the current work force, identification of under-represented areas, the establishment of reasonable, flexible goals and timetables for increasing employment opportunities, specific action-oriented programs to address problem areas, support for community action programs, and the establishment of an internal audit and reporting system.

    So, if you are treating people without regard to race, creed, color, or national origin, and you are increasing opportunities of under represented areas, you have to treat everybody in your employ the same, you cannot deny a White person training opportunities, which would be a real affirmative action plan.
    That is where the HR cult comes in. Eliminate in house training, and create all kinds of useless “qualifications” for promotion, then hire non-White external applicants who have those useless “qualifications”. Voila! We’re hiring without regard to “race, creed, color, or national origin” and are meeting our Affirmative Action requirements. That is why corporations find unions a nuisance. The promotions and transfers provisions tend to restrict their hire from outside version of affirmative action. The “best candidate” is only you, if they like you.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  287. Anon[300] • Disclaimer says:

    Comparing the ethnicity of California with Hawaii is rather sad, actually. The Hawaiians are a pretty happy people in their island of sunshine, pleasant coastlines, surrounded by gardens of exotic tropical fruit and other plants. The whites and the natives seem to get along pretty well.

    But the minorities in California? They hate the whites. They seethe with discontent. California has plenty of nice weather, lots of sunshine, a vacationer’s coastline, and it’s a garden state, too, much like Hawaii. It ought to as happy as Hawaii, and I think it used to be until the 1970s. But now it’s a place of discontent. It’s not cheap to live in California anymore, but you know what? Hawaii’s an expensive place to live, too. Yet people seem to suffer much greater psychological stress in California that doesn’t exist in Hawaii. Daily life in California, for various reasons, produces a stressed-out population.

    Whites in California teach the minorities to hate whites, and whites teach whites to hate themselves. Whites in Hawaii don’t do that. In Hawaii, they think life is worth taking the trouble to enjoy, and that’s one of the big differences. For some bizarre reason, Californians get a psychological charge about being negative and focusing on negativity, and they complain constantly. They have a strange mentality that is not a healthy one, and it’s not adaptive in the Darwinian sense.

  288. @Anon

    The Hawaiians are a pretty happy people in their island of sunshine, pleasant coastlines, surrounded by gardens of exotic tropical fruit and other plants. The whites and the natives seem to get along pretty well.

    You never lived in Hawaii, I see.

    • Replies: @thotmonger
  289. Well let’s hope not, it failed as a policy before so we either abandon it, or keep flogging the same dead horse. The whole narrative is based on a lie https://youtu.be/3pz-7l1BZ7E

  290. res says:

    Ron, here is another one to add to your list of people losing their jobs for pseudonymous internet comments.
    NIH official to ‘retire’ after being ID’d as author of anti-Fauci posts on right-wing blog
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/media/fauci-redstate-nih/index.html

  291. Anonymous[689] • Disclaimer says:

    Ron

    Another nice piece. I didn’t realize you were responsible for preventing bi-lingual teaching in California. That was a nice gesture. I also didn’t realise you were a pin-up for the New Republic!

    What do you think of Niall Ferguson’s latest piece, on California

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-09-20/california-burnin-a-warning-against-one-party-rule?sref=ojq9DljU

    I note your descriptions on California typically include statements like this “Over the last half-century, California’s white European population has fallen from almost 85% of the total down to little more than 30%, far below that of Brazil, yet none of those terrible social ills seem anywhere to be found”

    That’s from your piece Racial Politics in America and California

    Niall Ferguson and Bloomberg are now basically taking an ‘Alt-Right’ stance on the proceeds of democratic governance in the State. They are finding social ills in California everywhere it seems. Mr Ferguson is a very smart man, with a beautiful African wife.

    Are they also blinded by the media-layer 🙂

    Niall says California has fires, caused by local policy, rolling blackouts, caused by local policy, ruinously high taxes, caused by local policy. He says California has 12% of the nation’s pop, but 30% of the welfare recipients (Getting close to that ominous 13:50..). He says California has the highest real poverty rate of any state in the United States of 17.2%. Even more then those Southern states full of Hucks. He says the housing issue is caused by local policy. He says the states public schools are 37th in the US, which means they’re probably worse now then a Chinese village in Hubei.

    Only half of California students meet English standards. Fewer meet math standards. Health and pension costs are unsustainable. Democrats have won every election in California since 1988. He says people are voting with their feet.

    I’m being a bit banterish and waspish, but I’m genuinely curious (and you can ignore me as an irritant, of course) what your response would be to the good folk at Bloomberg looking at California as a ruinous potential future to be avoided for the United States.

    This is what you wrote in 1999 “The overwhelming evidence is that today’s immigrants are at least as economically productive and socially assimilative as their European predecessors, with low rates of crime, welfare dependency, and social instability”

    From “California and the End of White America”

    Do you still think this statement is even remotely true, especially in California?

    • Agree: Corrupt
    • Thanks: mark green
  292. @Anon

    Whites in California teach the minorities to hate whites, and whites teach whites to hate themselves.

    This is really the main problem.

    White/Hispanic relations and culture are much better in places like Texas.

    In California they teach Hispanic kids that Whites stole their land and Whites are taught that they are less than worthless. White masculinity is discouraged and associated with fascism.

    Hispanics do better around Whites that respect their own people and their men.

    The Mexicfornia gang culture isn’t the norm in the rest of the country. Other parts of the country don’t put up with it and also don’t encourage resentment in Hispanics.

  293. The fact of the matter is that disparate groups have shown to set aside political and cultural differences and (gasp) procreate with one another.

    It’s who we are.

    You mean like how the Saxons could take Celtic wives but not the other way? You have been too seeped in public education which is heavily egalitarian and globalist. It assumes that peaceful miscegenation is the natural way of things.

    How many White liberal politicians have a Black spouse? Especially Kennedy types? Why aren’t upper class WASP liberals running off to Africa to adopt some kids?

    I’ll let you in on a secret which is that White liberal leaders no longer believe in equality. After spending over a trillion dollars on blank slate fantasy they realized they are in fact full of s–t like we have been saying. They have switched to Plan B(razil) which is to interbreed the masses and then keep their own White kids in gated communities and private schools. The middle class voters that keep voting for Moar Programs to fix inequality those nasty Whites haven’t figured this out.

  294. @Curmudgeon

    My recollection is that the legislation or regulations themselves does not require quotas, but the mandarins implementing the legislation imposed them by practice. Note that from your link,

    Here is the quota:
    The executive order also required contractors with 51 or more employees and contracts of $50,000 or more to implement affirmative action plans to increase the participation of minorities and women in the workplace if a workforce analysis demonstrates their under-representation

    So, if you are treating people without regard to race, creed, color, or national origin, and you are increasing opportunities of under represented areas, you have to treat everybody in your employ the same, you cannot deny a White person training opportunities, which would be a real affirmative action plan.

    I can tell you haven’t worked in modern office in the US as you on working on the baseline equality assumption. Basically you assume a level of equality that doesn’t exist. I truly wish it did.

    It isn’t a problem of Whites being denied training opportunities.

    The gap between the qualified Black/White candidate for certain positions is much greater than anyone can imagine. There isn’t some long list of friendly Black guys named Steve like on TV. That is egalitarian fantasy.

    So employers go out of their way to find a Steve instead of promoting the White guy they already have. That is the more typical situation.

    What liberals don’t realize is that other companies are also looking for the same Steve. The corporate friendly Steve that can write a letter and answer the phone already has a job. So they hire Jamal who isn’t quite Steve and it becomes a disaster.

    Then there is the problem of jobs that require degrees. You can’t just offer night training or employee videos for these positions. They were supposed to acquire those skills in college.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  295. Dr. Charles Fhandrich [AKA "Dr.C. Fhandrich"] says:

    Ron Unz, is a great political analyst, hands down. He’s got integrity and guts, unlike the establishment media sources. I don’t always agree with him but how lucky Americans are to have this kind of forum to debate the most important issues of the day on. Keep going Ron, you’re the MAN.

    • Agree: mark green, John Johnson
  296. Here Unz goes again with the magic cholos… only 41 percent support affirmative action? Mr Genius Hahvad grad says that this is a small number…

    This is beyond the pale of stupidity… 41 percent is not a small number you nitwit. If 5 percent supported affirmative action dumbass… that would be a small number.. you are almost halfway to your cholos being for it,

    Unz and his magic cholos! Let’s open that fuking Southern border right now!

  297. anon[108] • Disclaimer says:

    UCs just got in trouble for their admission practices. A recent audit found UCB, UCLA and UCSB doling out admission preferences to children of staff, alumni and donors. I guess the only thing kosher about admission preferences is for race/ethnicity, at least for the public schools:

    https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2020/09/23/audit-blasts-admissions-university-california

  298. @Ron Unz

    Hey Unz — get this a Miguel Santiago, Democrat… note that… introduced a bill in your Cholo Wonderland to increase one Ron Unz’s tax on incomes over 1 million.. for the highest incomes, you Mr Unz, get to pay a whopping 16.8 percent.

    Now Unz.. Santiago… what kind of name is that… sounds Latino… there boy is your Latino conservatives dumbass…

    Pay up schmuck and y’all keep advocating that open border… lots of natural conservatives like Mr Santiago, Democrat…

    God you are dumb…

  299. Ron
    Is there any evidence that affirmative action ever ended.
    Evidence like:
    Affirmative action ended on this date, these are the racial representations in specific activities -educational, employment etc for each of the ten years before and after that date by absolute numbers and as a percentage of overall population, group population and specific activity population?

    If so, where do I find it?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  300. Corrupt says:
    @Anon

    Lived in Hawaii as a service member and found that the locals DID NOT like Haoeles (sp?). It was definitely not a love your neighbor situation.

  301. Ron Unz says:
    @Bill Jones

    Is there any evidence that affirmative action ever ended.
    Evidence like:
    Affirmative action ended on this date, these are the racial representations in specific activities -educational, employment etc for each of the ten years before and after that date by absolute numbers and as a percentage of overall population, group population and specific activity population?

    Sure. Passage of Prop. 209 in 1996 only affected government contracting and college admissions. I can’t judge the former, but the evidence in the latter is pretty striking. I’m not saying there hasn’t been some cheating at the edges, but striking nonetheless.

    For example, as I noted upthread, Berkeley is the most elite UC campus and black enrollment dropped from 5.8% to 1.6% during the twenty years from 1997 to 2017:

    https://www.unz.com/enrollments/?r&ID=110635&Institution=University+of+California-Berkeley

    I just can’t imagine that having happened without a very substantial reduction in AA pressure. By contrast, black enrollment at Harvard was almost unchanged during that same period.

    • Agree: Pincher Martin
  302. The Black population as a percentage of the population of California has decreased since the 1990s.

    To find any downward trend you would have to take that against a sample of state schools.

    I know for a fact that affirmative action exists in states where it has been banned.

    I’m not going to share how it is done. But the colleges already know how to get around it.

    Government departments can also ignore such laws since there isn’t some public review board for every position. If you submit an application for a government position it’s not like you are let in on the selection process.

    The problem is will. White people are convinced that race doesn’t exist and that they have to fix what they believe is the fault of other Whites. As long as that belief exists it doesn’t matter what the laws say.

  303. @Ron Unz

    Yes, it worked. But that was a different California and a much whiter electorate. The state’s citizens still hoped for assimilation and a colorblind society.

    Now in California and across the nation, elites on both the left and right acknowledge in their own way that a colorblind society is impossible. They favor a racial spoils system. Republican elites just want a more circumspect version of it. (Look at how Trump is selecting his most recent nominee for the Supreme Court.)

    Meanwhile, HBDers, who are only a tiny sliver of Americans, still hope the country will acknowledge the natural inequality of groups and just learn to deal with it somehow in a rational manner. Fat chance.

    • Replies: @res
  304. @Ron Unz

    Thanks.
    Does that account for population change?
    I like this one-stop shop thing you have going here.

  305. res says:
    @Pincher Martin

    Meanwhile, HBDers, who are only a tiny sliver of Americans, still hope the country will acknowledge the natural inequality of groups and just learn to deal with it somehow in a rational manner. Fat chance.

    What do you see as the alternatives?

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
  306. anon[108] • Disclaimer says:

    Diane Feinstein’s husband admitted to writing numerous letters “helping” candidates get into UCB. He is a UC Regent:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/husband-of-sen-dianne-feinstein-admits-helping-well-connected-applicants-to-university-of-california-no-one-ever-told-me-it-was-wrong/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=top-stories&utm_term=third

    “I did it a bunch of times,” Blum said. “No one ever told me it was wrong.” Blum is the founder of Blum Capital, and is reportedly worth roughly $1 billion.

    This is the difference between Protestant whites and everyone else. A Protestant white would know this is wrong, because that sense of right vs. wrong, of justice and fairness comes from within. Others esp. Jews would need to be told that it’s wrong, because they don’t have that moral compass that comes from within.

    Another perfect example of guilt vs. situational ethics, that which separates Protestant whites from everyone else.

    • Replies: @res
  307. Of course it will. But if they intend to diminish whites they better do it quick. Soon, the only whites remaining in California will be the movie stars!

  308. res says:
    @anon

    Thanks. This article has some more information. Some things which caught my eye.
    https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/09/24/uc-regent-who-helped-unqualified-student-get-into-cal-identified-as-richard-blum-husband-of-sen-dianne-feinstein/

    Blum said he never thought the letters “ever had much influence.”

    So why did he spend his valuable time writing them?

    UC policy specifically says that regents should not seek to influence admissions decisions beyond sending letters of recommendation through the regular admissions process, which Blum appears to have sidestepped.

    P.S. In the future you might want to trim the & options from your links.

  309. @res

    Probably puttering along in the same way we have done for years by pretending group inequality doesn’t exist. Our society will then irrationally deal with the consequences of that inequality in one area after another, depending on the media’s focus, while inexplicably ignoring it in other areas.

    • Replies: @res
  310. The Black population as a percentage of the population of California has decreased since the 1990s.

    Not by that much. California’s black population was 6.7% in 2000 and 5.8% in the 2018 census estimate. But as Ron shows in the post above yours, black enrollment at UC Berkeley dropped from 5.8% to 1.6% in the 20-year period after Prop 207 passed.

    That’s a significant drop which is impossible to explain by the state’s changing demographics. What’s more, UC Berkeley officials and professors often voiced their dismay and anger over that period at being unable to easily remedy it.

    I know for a fact that affirmative action exists in states where it has been banned.

    Of course state law doesn’t trump federal law. Nor does it trump private companies wishing to be in compliance with federal law because they want to be eligible for government contracts.

    • Replies: @res
  311. res says:
    @Pincher Martin

    Given that alternative, the HBD approach seems reasonable to me. Even if the chance of success is small.

    And doesn’t every windmill need its Don Quixote(s)? ; )

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
  312. res says:
    @Pincher Martin

    I am having trouble reconciling Ron’s data in
    https://www.unz.com/enrollments/?r&ID=110635&Institution=University+of+California-Berkeley
    showing 1.7% black in 2018 with the data at
    https://opa.berkeley.edu/uc-berkeley-fall-enrollment-data
    which says that 1,084 / 31,348 = 3.5% of 2019 undergraduate enrollment is black as is 480 / 11,856 = 4.0% of graduate enrollment.
    They also give total numbers of 1,564 / 43,204 = 3.6%.

    Ron links the NCES data as his source, but I am not seeing how to get the time series data from the link.
    https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=uc+berkeley&s=all&id=110635#enrolmt
    Can anyone help?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  313. Ron Unz says:

    Incidentally, a couple of days ago Berkeley’s IGS came out with their own regular statewide poll, and the numbers for Prop. 16 were very similar to those from PPIC:

    https://escholarship.org/uc/item/4cd2r446

    The measure with the least support was Proposition 16 to allow diversity as a factor in government decision-making on policies relating to public employment, contracting and education. Just one in three likely voters (33%) are currently intending to vote Yes, 41% say they would vote No,and 26% are undecided.

    Their cross-tabs for white and Hispanic voters were also very similar, but their sample size was large enough that they decided to break out Asian and black voters as well.

    Rather surprisingly, Asian support for AA was 42%, much stronger than I would have expected and actually a bit above Hispanic support. Meanwhile, black support was at 51%, by far the strongest of any group, but actually weaker than I would have predicted.

    Offhand, it really looks like AA will be losing in a CA landslide, maybe even a bigger CA landslide than Trump. I do suspect that many state politicians will quietly take notice of this reality.

  314. @res

    No disagreement there.

    I just don’t think there’s much of a chance that anything resembling a U.S. national or elite consensus about natural group inequality will ever exist. That will leave us perpetually vulnerable to the charlatans who can bring up at will any of the countless inequalities that exist in our society, from the makeup of math departments to corporate boards to Hollywood film awards.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  315. res says:
    @Ron Unz

    their sample size was large enough that they decided to break out Asian and black voters as well.

    This poll had about 5x the number of likely voters.

    These points seem worth mentioning.

    One ray of hope for proponents of the amendment is that Democrats and liberal voters,the segments most supportive of Prop.16, are among the voter segments with the largest proportions of undecided voters. By contrast, relatively few Republicans and conservative voters, who overwhelmingly oppose the amendment,are undecided.

    Working against the odds of passage, however,is the fact that pluralities of political moderates and voters registered as No Party Preference are currently lining up on the No side.These voter segments often hold the balance of power in determining election outcomes on initiatives in highly partisan contests.

    I wish they would include the population percentages of each group in their Table 3 crosstabs.

    Actually, their more detailed results do have that information.
    https://www.igs.berkeley.edu/research/berkeley-igs-pol
    https://escholarship.org/uc/item/1p22n9ws

  316. @Ron Unz

    Let us see in order to continue your narrative of the wonderful cholos walking across the border you say that 41 percent is a “SMALL” number supporting Affirmative Action, and you are surprised that 42 percent of Asians support it….. That is 1 percent more Ron, Mr. Smaht Hahvad boy…

    Yes, that is stupid for Asians to support a system that they are suing Hahvad over.. as they get to compete against their fellow Asians… but Asians have been fed the bullshit from liberal school systems and they swallow hard. They are good test takers but not great origial thinkers usually… they folllow the group and what they are told and those telling them are idiot liberal educators..

    But Screw them…let them get pushed out of jobs by google for equality of outcome.. If they are that stupid let them wallow in their own support for AA…

    Like some dumbass who thinks that Cholos are natural conservatives where his state is going to impose never ending income taxes on him thanks to guys like Migual Santiago… sponsor of the upper income tax increase..

  317. Ron Unz says:
    @res

    I am having trouble reconciling Ron’s data in…showing 1.7% black in 2018 with the data at…which says that 1,084 / 31,348 = 3.5% of 2019 undergraduate enrollment is black

    Ron links the NCES data as his source, but I am not seeing how to get the time series data from the link.

    Unfortunately, the time series data is hidden away on the NCES website and has to be separately downloaded and put in a readable format. That’s the reason I built the handy Enrollment tool on this website.

    However, if you hunt around a little, you can find the most recent year’s worth of data for each college on the NCES website. For example, here’s the link to Berkeley, which matches the time-series data:

    https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?id=110635#enrolmt

    Since the NCES website relies upon officially-reported government data, I think it’s probably correct. That Berkeley page you linked shows the racial distribution of Freshmen alone, which seems to be somewhat different. Maybe blacks wash out at a much higher rate or something.

    • Replies: @res
  318. Memejon says:
    @Bill P

    How do yu don’t support anything that doesn’t exist?
    Where are the Orientals going to?

  319. Anon[223] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Yes, on net immigrants oppose immigration, but it is only when you include the White Californian numbers you get a landslide number against this proposition.

    The Asian figure is shocking, especially when CA’s Asians are disproportionately East Asian compared to Asians in the rest of the country and are supposed to be less liberal than the other Asian groups.

    In fairness, the MSM is telling non-Whites to hate Whites and demand favoritism at every step of the way, so adjusting for that, these numbers may be good news for the country.

    Also, this may be off-topic, but given this election, if you could see anyone in this country become President, who do you think would do the best job? It doesn’t necessarily have to be an established politician
    Honestly interested in who you would favor since it seems you hate every Washington Politician.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @RadicalCenter
  320. Ron Unz says:
    @Anon

    Yes, on net immigrants oppose immigration, but it is only when you include the White Californian numbers you get a landslide number against this proposition.

    Not entirely. The rule of thumb is that undecided break No, and if that were to hold, AA would lose among Asians by 16 points, which is at least getting close to landslide territory.

    The Asian figure is shocking, especially when CA’s Asians are disproportionately East Asian compared to Asians in the rest of the country and are supposed to be less liberal than the other Asian groups.

    I was also quite surprised, because Asians are certainly the group most negatively impacted by AA, and consequently they have also been the vocal and organized opponents in CA.

    But East Asians tend to be very socially-conformist, and with all elite MSM sources saying AA and diversity are absolute goods, perhaps its not too strange that 42% would support those things, or at least say they would to a pollster.

    The social-conformity factor is much weaker among whites and Hispanics.

    • Replies: @res
    , @d dan
  321. res says:
    @Ron Unz

    That Berkeley page you linked shows the racial distribution of Freshmen alone, which seems to be somewhat different.

    If you go to the bottom of the page they have this table.
    2019 Fall Total Enrollment by Level, Gender, and Ethnicity
    I believe the numbers are in line with ALL Cal students.

    That table was what I used for the numbers I gave. Which are about 2x the NCES data. Something strange is going on with the numbers here.

    Your NCES link was essentially the same as the one I gave.
    Yours: https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?id=110635#enrolmt
    Mine: https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=uc+berkeley&s=all&id=110635#enrolmt

    The black number they give is rounded to integer percent (2%). Is there any way to get the second digit?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  322. res says:
    @Ron Unz

    But East Asians tend to be very socially-conformist, and with all elite MSM sources saying AA and diversity are absolute goods, perhaps its not too strange that 42% would support those things, or at least say they would to a pollster.

    The AAPI poll data I linked in comment 128 may help cast some light on this.
    https://aapidata.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/aavs2020_crosstab_CAonly.html

    Q16B is the prop 16 question and has breakdowns for five Asian subgroups. Asian Indians are the most in favor of Prop 16 (58% yes) with Chinese, Koreans, and Vietnamese least (29-31% yes).

    If you want to see social conformity, look at the responses to Q16A.

    Here are the questions.

    Q16A: Next, do you favor or oppose affirmative action programs designed to help [SPLIT SAMPLE Blacks/Black people], women, and other minorities get better access to higher education?

    Q16B: This November, California voters will be asked to vote on ACA5 Proposition 16, which is a ballot measure that would restore affirmative action by repealing Proposition 209, which prohibited the state from considering race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in the operation of public employment, public education, and public contracting.Thinking about this ballot measure, if the election were held today, would you vote Yes or No or are you undecided?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  323. Ron Unz says:
    @res

    The black number they give is rounded to integer percent (2%). Is there any way to get the second digit?

    Sure. When I went to the NCES page there was a place the numbers were given to the first decimal point, but I don’t remember where. The website is fancy but not very well organized, so just hunt around a little and I’m sure you’ll find it.

    • Replies: @Stonewall Jackson
    , @res
  324. d dan says:
    @Ron Unz

    “But East Asians tend to be very socially-conformist, and with all elite MSM sources saying AA and diversity are absolute goods, perhaps its not too strange that 42% would support those things, or at least say they would to a pollster.”

    Socially-conformist? I think it is the exact reverse. The East Asians are very diverse and have wide ranges of opinions. The first and second generation immigrants tend to vote diagonally on many issues, and likely so for this too. And then there is the business/engineering types vs academic/social activists group. The former tends to oppose the prop 16, and the later supportive. Also, the older generation dislikes polls and probably participate less with the survey. Finally, the Japanese is the group that is most conformist (listen to their “boss” or “authority”) than the Chinese or Koreans.

    I should caution that these are my personal impression, not from any polls.

  325. @Ron Unz

    Your columns descend further into stupidity to cling to your idiot point about Cholo immigration by the minute.
    Let’s gaze into our navel… the most stupid thing you have said in support of the wonders of cholo immigration is that
    ONLY 41 percent of Cholos support AA..
    As one comment said… How far up your own arse can your head get?

    Maybe when they polled the cholos they didn’t ask in Spanish?

    It is astounding that someone could conclude that 41 percent is a small number to try to claim that cholos don’t support AA…
    Did they teach math at Hahvad? 41 percent is not a small number dumbass… even if the stupid poll is correct…..
    Under ten percent is a small number… see you are nearly at half of your cholos saying Si Se Peude

    You are a person who clings to his bullshit hard.

  326. Ron Unz says:
    @res

    Q16B is the prop 16 question and has breakdowns for five Asian subgroups. Asian Indians are the most in favor of Prop 16 (58% yes) with Chinese, Koreans, and Vietnamese least (29-31% yes).

    Hmmm… That makes sense, with CA East Asians being pretty close to CA whites in their opposition to AA. And the Asian Indian support really is extraordinary, far higher than that of blacks.

    It’s still a bit odd that EAs are somewhat less opposed than whites, given that they’re the group most impacted. Probably it’s a question of political affiliation, since I think whites are split roughly evenly between Ds and Rs, while I think EAs are much more heavily Ds, so the official endorsements of the leading Ds and Rs may sway some of the voters.

    • Replies: @res
    , @ABCStar
    , @silviosilver
  327. res says:
    @Ron Unz

    Probably it’s a question of political affiliation, since I think whites are split roughly evenly between Ds and Rs, while I think EAs are much more heavily Ds,

    This Pew survey supports your assumption, but not strongly (“much more”) IMHO (do you have better data?).
    https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/compare/party-affiliation/by/racial-and-ethnic-composition/among/state/california/

    Racial and ethnic composition | Republican/lean Rep. | No lean Democrat/lean Dem. | Sample Size
    White 41% 14% 46% 2,098
    Black 8% 16% 75% 206
    Asian 30% 21% 49% 227
    Latino 21% 29% 50% 927
    Other/Mixed 25% 21% 54% 174

    The white 41/14/46 R/N/D split is not THAT different from the Asian 30/21/49.

    AAPI Q7A has some bearing on this as well.
    Q7A: Thinking about the upcoming November election for the U.S. House of Representatives in your Congressional district… If the election were being held today…

    That gives totals of something like 27/20/53, but the group results don’t cleanly align with your idea. For example, Chinese, Japanese, and Asian Indian are least Republican, but the first two of those groups responded very differently to Q16B than the third.

    Q8A (as well as the rest of the Q8 series) bears even more directly on this.
    Q8A: Generally speaking, do you usually think of yourself as a… D/R/I/etc.
    Totals are 45/20/24/10 D/I/R/other.

    But again, we see things like Vietnamese (32%) and Asian Indians (42%) being the least Democrat groups, but answering Q16B very differently.

    Perhaps Q9 (president) is relevant. Asian Indians (64%) and Chinese (62%) are most in favor of Biden.

    The 12 variants of Q10 (is a given issue important for November election) and Q12 (are Ds or Rs doing a better job on issue) might cast some light, but I don’t have the patience to dig into all of them.

    I think your idea has some merit, but it looks to me like their are other important effects in play. I just don’t know what they are.

    Perhaps Asian Indians feel they are better able to game the system?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  328. Ron Unz says:
    @res

    This Pew survey supports your assumption, but not strongly (“much more”) IMHO (do you have better data?)….

    The white 41/14/46 R/N/D split is not THAT different from the Asian 30/21/49.

    Well, CA whites are +5 D, while CA Asians are +19 D, which really seems like a pretty large difference to me. I’d think it could account for at least a good portion of the (surprising) greater Asian support for Prop. 16.

  329. res says:
    @Ron Unz

    I spent a couple of hours hunting around and think I finally found the per college ethnic time series data. The years supported (1994-2007, 2008-2009, and 2010-2018 as three different variables) are not exactly the same as yours (1980, 1984, 1986, 1988, 1990-2018) so I still don’t know where you got the rest of your data (but see below, I think this is caused by changes to the variables over the years, e.g. Pacific Islanders added).

    The top level NCES IPEDS page is the place to start.
    https://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/use-the-data

    IPEDS Manual
    https://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/datacenter/IPEDSManual.pdf

    The compare institutions page looks like a good place to do bulk data download.
    https://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/datacenter/Data.aspx

    The summary table generator is easier to browse, but not as useful for bulk download.
    https://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/datacenter/reportmain.aspx

    Look up an institution is good for getting details. Be sure to select “Reported Data.” “Institution Profile” is similar to the college navigator we linked earlier.
    https://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/datacenter/Dfr.aspx?unitid=110635

    Complete Data Files looks like what you probably used. The data goes all the way back to 1980 (2019 data is available, BTW).
    https://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/datacenter/DataFiles.aspx?goToReportId=7

    Those data files use cryptic variable names so you really need the data dictionary to understand what they mean. One nice thing about having the full data files is you can look at averages across all colleges (or subsets, e.g. Ivy League). The data dictionaries have overall variable statistical summaries.

    That was some significant work you did, Ron, to extract all of that data into a much more usable form. Thanks!

    This is a convenient list of over 4000 colleges by UnitID.
    https://collegefutures.org/postsecondary-institutions-with-unitid/
    And a list of minority institutions.
    https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/edlite-minorityinst-list-tab.html

    This file has some IPEDS usage notes on pages 14-25.
    http://www.hunter.cuny.edu/ncscbhep/assets/files/Bunsis%20Hunter%20Conference%20March%2024-%202017.pdf

    To answer my rounding question, that 2% was actually 1.85% so there really is about a factor of 2 discrepancy with the Cal data page I linked! I wonder what is going on there.

    Notes from my hunt which include some other useful resources.

    Here is the data for grade schools.
    https://nces.ed.gov/ccd/elsi/tableGenerator.aspx

    Here is aggregate data for all colleges. It might be helpful to add this to your data presentation so we can compare a given college to the average that year.
    https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d19/tables/dt19_306.10.asp

    In this report they talk about “Indicator 20 – Undergraduate Enrollment” (I assume your data is for undergrads?) and present some aggregate data (which references Table 306.10 from the previous link).
    https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2019/2019038.pdf

    This IPEDS page is similar to the college navigator and only has single year rounded data.
    https://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/datacenter/institutionprofile.aspx?unitId=110635

    This IPEDS page looks like the place to find the data.
    https://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/use-the-data
    And it was, see above.

    P.S. That Berkeley data I linked is available since 2014 at
    https://web.archive.org/web/20140901000000*/https://opa.berkeley.edu/uc-berkeley-fall-enrollment-data

    P.P.S. This blog has some good examples of data analysis with IPEDS.
    https://robertkelchen.com/tag/ipeds/
    He also has a useful document covering data sources.
    https://kelchenoneducation.files.wordpress.com/2019/11/kelchen_merging_original.pdf

  330. @Ron Unz

    It will be instructive, though, to see how younger Asians and younger Hispanics vote on Prop 16. If they support Prop 16 much more than their parents and grandparents, that will not be a good sign.

    IF that happens: combine increasing hispanic and asian support for official discrimination against white people, with the continuing flight of normal white people from California. That confluence would suggest that time is on the side of a future Prop 16.

    My wife and I are voting NO on Prop 16 (and almost all the other propositions, for that matter). I expect it to lose, thankfully, all the more so after seeing the polling data you have provided. But that will be merely a temporary setback for the white-haters.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  331. @Anon

    Good points, Anon. You may be right that California Asians are more East Asian than asians elsewhere in the USA.

    But I just wanted to point out that the biggest single group of asians in california is FILIPINOS (including my beautiful wife 🙂 who are of course not East Asian.

    This was the case already in 2010 and will likely be even more so when the 2020 Census results are released.

    https://globalnation.inquirer.net/63691/filipinos-are-biggest-asian-group-in-california-new-study

    In 2010 there were nearly 1.5 million Filipinos (including mixed Filipinos) in California. By 2017 that had risen to 1.65 million.

    https://www.asianjournal.com/usa/dateline-usa/new-census-data-shows-more-than-four-million-filipinos-in-the-us/

    I’ll wager that there will be two million at least part-Filipinos in this State at the 2030 Census. Heck, my wife and I have added a large number ourselves 😉 though we will be leaving Mexifornia before then.

  332. Ron Unz says:
    @RadicalCenter

    It will be instructive, though, to see how younger Asians and younger Hispanics vote on Prop 16. If they support Prop 16 much more than their parents and grandparents, that will not be a good sign.

    I doubt they’ll break out the younger Asians/Hispanics separately. But they don’t really need to do so since CA whites skew much older, the younger age-cohorts are overwhelmingly Asian/Hispanic, so we just need to look at those numbers:

    https://escholarship.org/uc/item/4cd2r446

    Interestingly enough, support for AA is pretty constant across all age groups in the survey, always being between 32% and 34%. The one exception is among those 40-49, among whom support is 39%.

    I’d guess that the youngest 18-29 age-cohort is 60-70% Asian/Hispanic, and they only support AA at 33%, so unless things change in the future, you probably don’t have to worry about a popular restoration of AA (though obviously the political elites can do whatever they want).

    • Replies: @res
  333. res says:
    @Ron Unz

    I doubt they’ll break out the younger Asians/Hispanics separately.

    The AAPI poll I keep linking does this for Asians.
    https://aapidata.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/aavs2020_crosstab_CAonly.html#By_Age_Group

    Their categories are fairly coarse (18-34, 35-49, 50+). Looking at the Q16B Prop 16 question we see that the 35-49 group is about 10% more favorable towards Prop 16 than the other two.

    All of their questions are broken down by age if anyone wants to dig in further.

  334. ABCStar says:
    @Ron Unz

    I dont know why 30 percent of East Asians would support affirmative action to begin with.There is such an extreme inconsistency in their behaviour.

    More annoying is the asian indian’s support.I wonder why they are so happy about AA.As far as i know they are one of the biggest losers from AA other than East asians.

    Cal is more or less now a Latino bastion.They will call the shots.Their dislike for Blacks may even come out into the open in the near future.I remembered that there was a hispanic gang which tried to drive away blacks from their neighbourhood.I never heard a white gang doing that ever…

  335. ariel says:

    fertility rate among all races/ethnic groups in the USA is below replacement rate , without immigration minority population will start to decline (specially asians) https://cis.org/Report/Immigrant-and-NativeBorn-Fertility-2008-2018

  336. @John Johnson

    The Executive Order is neither the law nor the regulations – the problem with all EOs.
    I am well aware of the quotas imposed, but even the EO does not mandate quotas.
    Yes some jobs require degrees or trade certifications, but some do not. The idea behind affirmative action was to help remove barriers to advancement. If Rastus hasn’t be promoted because he can’t do the simple calculations needed for the promotion, then affirmative action was supposed to help Rastus so that he could be in a position to be promoted. If Jamal can’t speak English when answering the phone, then affirmative action was supposed to help Jamal learn enough English to be able to answer the phone.
    I’m not suggesting that the legislation was a good idea, only that in the 1960s, employers were more into training employees to be able to do their jobs better, and were happy to have long term employees. The idea of affirmative action did not offend that model significantly. The implementation of the legislation did.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  337. @Curmudgeon

    The Executive Order is neither the law nor the regulations

    What are you claiming now? That executive orders are not law? Affirmative action at the executive level was merely symbolic?

    Yes some jobs require degrees or trade certifications, but some do not. The idea behind affirmative action was to help remove barriers to advancement.

    That is your own definition.

    The Federal government that actually makes the laws decreed that you can not hire the top candidates if the resulting workplace is too White and too male.

    If Rastus hasn’t be promoted because he can’t do the simple calculations needed for the promotion, then affirmative action was supposed to help Rastus so that he could be in a position to be promoted.

    I have never heard anyone suggest that Affirmative Action means having employers give basic math lessons. That doesn’t make any sense. Most employers do not have the resources to hire tutors or invest in additional training when there are qualified candidates availble.

    For the typical business Affirmative Action means hiring less qualified candidates to keep the government off their back. Again I think you assume there is this baseline of equality that merely needs a nudge. People are simply not equal and you run into this even when everyone has had an equal amount of training. You can’t just train everyone into the same person. Skills like customer service seem to be innate. I have seen 18 year old girls out of H.S. perform perfectly and they didn’t have a single class or lesson. Society seems to be in denial of this.

    In reality you can easily find hundreds of White candidates for a single office position while a Black candidate has to be sought out and sometimes moved from another area. Even if you do that you run into this problem of hiring the top and bottom 5%. If you normally take the top 5 or 10 percent you can’t just take the guy that needs additional training. People can conceive of this in sports but not the business world. You slow down the rest of the team.

    I see the main problem being low expectations for Blacks in schools. But there is also a problem of society believing in this baseline of equality.

  338. @John Johnson

    Most of the conservative Hispanics are protestant, Pentecostals, The Catholic Hispanics are less religious. Two, affirmative action will lose in Ca since only La and the Bay area support it. Its oppose in Orange County, the inland empire, San Diego, and Central Valley according to polls. In fact Latinos in Kern opposed it more than whites in the Bay Area.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  339. @utu

    Illegal immigration in California was modest until the garment industry started to hire illegal immigrants in LA. La still employs illegal immigrants in garment work since the LA Times had an article complaining about paying workers by piece instead of hourly.

  340. Anon[223] • Disclaimer says:

    Ron,
    These articles are interesting, and certainly tell a counter view to all the alt-right, anti-immigrant articles that this site usually produces.
    I have just two questions.
    One question that I really wanted to ask is why America did such major mass immigration transformations, but countries like the East Asians ones avoided it? Was there a less of a return in those countries than in America?
    Second,
    You mentioned that Hispanics might be less intelligent than Whites on average. If that is the case, why is California doing so well despite being heavily Hispanic? Wouldn’t it have regressed on social indicators to a below average state? Even if you take into consideration the south, California is richer than just about every big state in the country, and even heavily Whites states in the northeast.
    Are Whites really that replaceable in the context of building a strong economy?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Ron Unz
  341. @cynthia curran

    I wasn’t commenting on how California Hispanics will vote on AA. I really don’t care as I see this bill as mostly pointless since AA is already practiced behind the scenes.

    I was just pointing out that the GOP plan to turn Catholic Hispanics in to conservative voters didn’t work. This can be seen by the fact that California Democrats have a majority in all houses.

    Republicans should have gone populist and especially in California.

  342. @Anon

    If that is the case, why is California doing so well despite being heavily Hispanic? Wouldn’t it have regressed on social indicators to a below average state? Even if you take into consideration the south, California is richer than just about every big state in the country, and even heavily Whites states in the northeast.

    You are missing a couple factors. First of all California’s wealth is extremely unequal. A lot of that wealth is in tech and media companies. So measuring California wealth on a per capita basis doesn’t tell us anything about how average Californians live. The California on TV where everyone has a large house and pool isn’t indicative of the typical lifestyle.

    California is now one of the few states that no longer releases high school test scores. This despite spending more per student than neighboring states. So California is a lot of smoke and mirrors. They like to think of themselves as this wealthy liberal state but they have the worst inequality and the largest number of welfare cases.
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/no-other-state-comes-close-to-california-when-it-comes-to-welfare-spending-2017-11-28

    They also have a looming debt problem from pensions.

  343. Ron Unz says:
    @Anon

    One question that I really wanted to ask is why America did such major mass immigration transformations, but countries like the East Asians ones avoided it? Was there a less of a return in those countries than in America?

    Well, America is obviously much wealthier, so draws in lots of poorer immigrants, a process strongly supported by business interests for obvious reasons. Here’s an excellent book from over a century ago by E.A. Ross, one of America’s greatest early sociologists, that discusses the situation back then:

    https://www.unz.com/book/e_a_ross__the-old-world-in-the-new/

    You mentioned that Hispanics might be less intelligent than Whites on average. If that is the case, why is California doing so well despite being heavily Hispanic? Wouldn’t it have regressed on social indicators to a below average state? Even if you take into consideration the south, California is richer than just about every big state in the country, and even heavily Whites states in the northeast.

    I’d guess that on a fully-equalized-environment basis, Hispanics are somewhat below the white average in intelligence, but only somewhat, probably having about the same IQ as Southern Italians. NYC, Boston, and Philadelphia had lots of Southern Italians, and they were among our most prosperous cities. Meanwhile, CA also has by far America’s largest Asian population, and Asians are somewhat above the white average in intelligence.

    But I tend to doubt that average IQ is an overriding factor, and instead much of CA’s wealth actually follows from the very successful tech and entertainment industries that are located there. Similarly, 60-70 years ago, Detroit was America’s wealthiest city because it was the home of very successful auto industry, but I doubt that Detroit’s population was much above the national average in intelligence.

  344. @Ron Unz

    Sorry for the unrelated comment, but how often do you check your email, Mr. Unz? I’ve been trying to contact you for a week, without any luck.

  345. @Ron Unz

    Unz… look at the commenter John Johnson’s link to an article that shows the highest welfare spending in the country… California, your land of the Golden Cholo tops the others by a whopping margin.
    Now Unz… isn’t your state soon to be majority Latino? Or Cholo… more like it with the patterns of immigration we have had for the past twenty years…
    And yet despite your assurances that all of those natural conservatives walking across the border are sure to be Republicans.. it seems that a soon to be majority Cholo state is drowning in welfare spending…

    Another thing about that article Mr Immigration… that list of high welfare spending also correlates to the highest immigration states. My state Virginia is now a high welfare state and yup boy… we are now highly immigrant. And also get this Hahvad genius… also a blue state.
    I guess our immigrants didn’t get the message about how they are natural consevatives…

  346. @Pincher Martin

    No offense, but you strike me as bit of a curmudgeon, so I think it’s best to take your pessimism with a grain of salt.

    There are numerous political facts today that would have struck people from an earlier era as sheer lunacy. What do you suppose even the most optimistic black a hundred years ago would have thought if you described to him the American racial landscape of 2020? Or a suffragette today’s gender landscape?

    Anyway, one soldiers on regardless of the odds of success because it’s the right thing to do. If there is to be some workable solution, it’s a safe bet it will come from people internalizing some baseline level of racial realism rather than from indulging in yet more racial fantasy.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
  347. @Ron Unz

    It’s still a bit odd that EAs are somewhat less opposed than whites, given that they’re the group most impacted.

    You’re ignoring the political context in which the poll was taken. This is the “Trump era” in which populism is “on the rise” and in which “white supremacists” are trying to entrench “systemic racism.” Perhaps these considerations are affecting their vote.

    Just putting it out there.

  348. @Trinity

    I would probably feel the same if I were Mexican, HOWEVER, the Southwest that America took after the war was SPARSELY POPULATED and it wasn’t as if Mexicans built it up.

    That can’t be stressed enough. It would be one thing if Americans marched in and took Mexico City, but Mexico’s claims on the southwest were mere lines on a map, having about as much validity as Argentina’s claims on Antarctica today.

    Whining about the Mexican-American war today is driven by nothing more than retard-level ‘national pride’ (a concept I generally disdain no matter the nation in question) and anti-white animus. Both are wrong, and both need to be reined in.

    • Replies: @mark green
  349. @silviosilver

    So true. It should also be kept in mind that Mexico did not legitimately ‘own’ this land. What’s now the American Southwest had been, for centuries, occupied by dozens of Native American tribes–including the Navajo and the Apache.

    At the time of the Mexican-American War, Mexico was an entirely White-ruled, European invention. Even its language was imported from Europe. This colonial power had only recently confiscated much of its vast territory, but without a treaty or Bill of Sale. It was all basically by conquest.

    Like the US, Mexico was an imperial power which was intent on snatching vast (and largely vacant) territory from indigenous, disorganized, stone age tribes.

  350. @silviosilver

    There are numerous political facts today that would have struck people from an earlier era as sheer lunacy. What do you suppose even the most optimistic black a hundred years ago would have thought if you described to him the American racial landscape of 2020? Or a suffragette today’s gender landscape?

    My post which you referenced was talking about the situation today, not the progress made over the last hundred years, which I do not dispute. Or are you of the opinion that the ending of slavery and Jim Crow should make us all optimistic about what the future holds?

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  351. @Pincher Martin

    Essentially, yes, I am of that opinion.

    I could flesh that out a little by explaining I’m not referring so much to what the future, based on present trends, is shaping up to be, and so on, but I don’t think you’d be interested.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
  352. @silviosilver

    I certainly see the present trends as not positive, so I would be interested in seeing how you argue to the contrary.

  353. Anon[223] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron,
    I think your analysis is somewhat correct, but won’t average IQ follow long term wealth?
    Or do you think at some level, IQ is overrated in the outcomes for a nation(Like the difference between a 95 IQ nation and a 100 IQ nation).
    I just can’t imagine how transforming America from majority White to minority White will have no negative impact on incomes for the average worker. Do you think America will still be as wealthy after demographic changes?

    • Replies: @Stonewall Jackson
  354. @Anon

    Does Ronnie think that his beloved Cholos will be wonderful for America… looks at his stupid body of work.

  355. @Ron Unz

    What are your thoughts on Trump’s diagnosis?

  356. @Socrates

    How on Earth can that be “Jewish Privilege”?

  357. Mr Jew says:
    @anon

    But he’s a Jew who uses his real name, unless the rest of you gutless pukes!

  358. res says:

    Audacious Epigone has written about a more recent poll including Proposition 16 which just dropped. This comment and the one just before it have even more details.
    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/the-end-of-isonomy/#comment-4201105

    Note that there is a poll aggregator available here:
    https://ballotpedia.org/2020_ballot_measure_polls#California

    Which includes a Berkeley IGS poll with a 5x larger sample size than the polls we have been discussing.
    https://escholarship.org/uc/item/4cd2r446

  359. I just spent the day in a town that twenty years ago in Virginia didn’t have a single cholo. Culpeper VA. Unz… The five feet tall gold tooth wonders are everywhere there Unz.
    If you think that this is going to save America you insipid shithead, you need your head examined. They are lucky if they have an IQ of 85… and they have children out their asses…

    • Replies: @mark green
  360. @Stonewall Jackson

    Stonewall- I appreciate your passion as well as some of your comments. I believe however that you would be more effective (persuasive) if you showed greater courtesy (and less hostility) towards our esteemed host. After all, if not for Ron Unz, this rare and provocative webzine–which is a bastion of unfettered Free Speech–would not even exist. A modicum of respect would be nice.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
  361. @mark green

    I agree with nearly all of Stonewall Jackson’s ideas about immigration and disagree with nearly all of Ron Unz’s ideas on immigration, and I second this. Just call Ron an idiot on immigration and move on.

    • Replies: @Stonewall Jackson
  362. @Pincher Martin

    No Pincher I wont’ move on. But I have to ask, what could you possibly agree with that moron Unz about in the world of today’s immigration?

    He won’t move on will he… article after article with his same bullshit about the natural conservatives…the same bullshit that you got from that idiot W Bush.

    You think what you witness with your own eyes of the nature of today’s immigration doesn’t make you see red when you have idiots like Unz who basically have the same stance on immigration as a liberal Democrat… that is no border and you are a right winger if you want one?

    The cholo population of Culpeper Virginia is an importation of another underclass that taxpayers will be carrying.. And this idiot sits in his million dollar Palo Alto and opines on on immigration and right wingers.

    Look at his own fcking state… it is so blue it is black… drowning in immigration and welfare. Does the stupid ass not see what his opinion is leading to?

    Unz is a complete fcking idiot… so he give you a forum and calls you a right winger xenophobe. The GOP had a reason for its support of massive immigration from cholo lands.. corporate donations to their bank accounts… Ron is just a fool who looks at his own navel and pronounces himself a genius…contrary to reality.

    His arguments are complete and total bullshit. As I point out look at the assertion that a small percentage of latinos support AA… right 41 percent…

    But you guys are right… what is the point of posting here… So fck Ron and his Review.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
  363. @Stonewall Jackson

    No Pincher I wont’ move on. But I have to ask, what could you possibly agree with that moron Unz about in the world of today’s immigration?

    Practically nothing.

    He won’t move on will he… article after article with his same bullshit about the natural conservatives…

    I agree Ron won’t change his mind, regardless of the evidence. So why are you serially harassing him with multiple content-free posts? It won’t change his mind. It doesn’t make him or his views look bad. It just makes you and your ideas look bad.

    And those are ideas I prefer not to look bad.

    One thing I will give Ron. His forum gives the widest possible latitude for expression to those people who have ideas that the majority of Westerners find odious.

    It’s one reason I enjoy posting here, even though I strongly disagree with the arguments made in perhaps 80% of the content posted at Unz Review. I don’t have to censor myself or, worse, be censored by others.

    So make your argument. Make fun of Ron and his views on immigration. But don’t become so emotionally involved in an online discussion that you lose sight that it’s still just a forum where we try to make winning arguments. Don’t allow yourself to become an issues-oriented stalker driven entirely by malice and emotion.

    I agree with almost every stand you have on immigration. But I want to win. I want to win the argument and I want to win the policy battle in Washington. And I think we still can win. So try to act like a winner. Try to act like a guy who knows he’s right and knows he can win.

    • Replies: @Stonewall Jackson
  364. @mark green

    Wonderful comment.

    A small bleak addition regarding LA: Chinatown, while still overwhelmingly Chinese and to a lesser extent well-off white, is changing for the worse. The neighborhood is fairly suddenly acquiring a few hundred Africans where before there were almost none.

    There is a HEAVY African presence in the luxury Orsini apartments on Cesar Chavez, the boundary between downtown and Chinatown LA.

    There is a growing African presence in the older apt complex on the “Skyline” (on top of the College Street hill overlooking Chinatown proper (where the restaurants and stores are, or were).

  365. @Pincher Martin

    You want to win???? You realize that there is no difference between Unz and the Bushes right? Every fcking thing that he says is the same.. Natural conservatives… etc. And this position is that of the skanky GOP until Trump because they get corporate donations to support amnesties right?

    You have already lost man… so have I, but I just cannot tolerate bullshit like this from guys like this who led us to a Third World country. That speaks Spanish or Arabic or some other shithole African language…..

  366. @Pincher Martin

    Hawaii has the greatest life expectancy of any state in USA. That is something to be happy about.
    But I believe the anti white racism in the Aloha state has been baked in pretty deep for a while now. Even though I am told it is the Japanese run the place.

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