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With well over a billion monthly views, Britain’s populist and pugnacious Daily Mail is one of the world’s most widely-read newspapers on the Internet, having twice the traffic of the Washington Post and five times that of the Wall Street Journal, even sometimes approaching the readership of the New York Times. The publication has stayed true to its original tabloid roots and its success comes from its willingness to wholeheartedly jump on those controversial stories that other outlets avoid.

Meanwhile, the British Lancet is located at the opposite end of the spectrum of respectability, being one of the world’s most prestigious and authoritative medical journals, as sober and responsible as any publication in existence.

So very early last Thursday morning the world witnessed a bizarre “Clash of the Titans” style controversy as an explosive headline in the Daily Mail denounced the Lancet for supposedly indulging in sensationalism.

Surely many millions saw that headline and reacted with shock—at least that fraction of the typical Daily Mail readership that had ever heard of the Lancet.

 

More than two years ago the Lancet had established the Covid Commission, tasked with investigating all aspects of the worldwide disease outbreak that was already beginning to claim millions of lives. As might be expected, the panel was heavily stocked with the “Great and the Good” of global public health policy, as reflected in its chairman Prof. Jeffrey Sachs of Columbia University, a pillar of the academic establishment who had twice been named by Time magazine as one of the 100 most influential people in the world.

Then last week the Covid Commission report was finally released, prompting that immediate, ferocious attack by the Daily Mail, with the first two paragraphs of the article describing the controversy:

The Lancet, one of the world’s most prestigious medical journals, has sensationally claimed Covid may have leaked out of a US lab.

Unveiling the results of a two-year investigation into the origins of the pandemic, the magazine’s team tasked with uncovering the truth stated it was ‘plausible’ the virus could have emerged in America.

Since April 2020 I’ve stood almost alone in publicly arguing that Covid was probably an American virus, with the global outbreak being blowback from a disastrously reckless biowarfare attack against China (and Iran). So I was obviously gratified to discover that somewhat parallel accusations were now apparently being made by so august and respectable a publication as the Lancet and the group of international experts it had convened.

Thus prompted by the Daily Mail story, I eagerly obtained a copy of that lengthy report and began carefully reading it. The complete text ran almost 50,000 words including 499 footnotes, and constituted an extremely sober, cautious, and meticulous analysis of the global health crisis that had already claimed 18 million lives. The crucial information and the copious references were very helpful, and I’m sure I’ll draw upon them in the future.

However, I was puzzled to find almost no traces of the lurid accusations that had so enraged the Daily Mail. At most there were a couple of paragraphs noting that the origin of the Covid virus was still uncertain, with both nature and a human laboratory being possible sources. If the latter case were correct, the particular lab responsible remained unknown, and a few sentences mentioned that both Chinese and American researchers had been conducting viral bioengineering work of a closely related nature. The report reasonably criticized both countries for not being more forthcoming in opening the doors of their research facilities to a proper investigation.

So instead of the bold, headline-grabbing accusations I had expected to encounter, there was almost nothing controversial. Indeed, if not for the brutal media assault, I doubt that almost anyone would have even noticed those few sentences of mild suspicion and disapproval buried in a book-length tome that was otherwise so totally innocuous.

For those unwilling to read the enormous block of text, the Lancet‘s Covid Commission also released a video presentation in which several of the leading participants summarized the major elements of their findings, with the discussion presided over by Prof. Sachs and also including the participation of Dr. Tedros Ghebreyesus, Director-General of the World Health Organization. Once again, their statements provided no hint of any of the outrageous claims so harshly vilified by the Daily Mail.

 

The puzzle deepens when we consider that the Daily Mail was hardly alone in making such wild, unsubstantiated charges against the Lancet report and its ultra-respectable authors, with almost simultaneous and equally harsh attacks also unleashed in Britain’s Daily Telegraph and our own Foreign Policy. Indeed, the latter even went so far as to denounce the report and its authors as promoting “conspiracy theories,” surely an unusual criticism of individuals possessing the greatest international respectability and reputation.

So how can we explain this total divergence between the actual contents of an extremely stolid, uncontroversial report and the near-hysterical attacks leveled against it in the media, attacks that were almost entirely false or misleading?

According to a Lancet Tweet, the report was released on the evening of the 14th, while the Daily Mail article was first published 6am Eastern Time on the 15th. So it seems quite unlikely that the tabloid’s staff had had the time to properly read and digest so lengthy and detailed a document before unleashing their fierce denunciation, and this easily explains why the Lancet Commission was viciously attacked for things it never said. Clearly something unusual was happening behind the journalistic scenes.

I think this mystery dissipates once we consider the events of the previous few months, particularly the public statements of Prof. Sachs, chairman of the commission and the primary target of all those bitter media denunciations. Back in May, he had co-authored an article in the prestigious PNAS journal, arguing the that Covid virus had clearly been bioengineered and calling for an independent investigation into its true origins.

A few weeks later, a video clip of his public remarks on that same question went super-viral, retweeted more than 11,000 times with over a million views:

In the aftermath of that explosive clip, the Daily Mail had been almost the only publication willing to break the media wall of silence and report his claims, using a striking headline that they later recycled for last week’s story.

But Prof. Sachs refused to back down, and soon gave a couple of major interviews in which he reiterated his conviction that the virus was artificial and that numerous scientists in thrall to American government funding were trying to cover up the true facts of its origin, also even suggesting a possible connection to America’s large and longstanding biowarfare program.

Although Prof. Sachs’ recent public statements had gone entirely unreported by nearly every mainstream and alternative media outlet, they would surely would have raised huge concerns in certain quarters, especially those associated with America’s biowarfare and intelligence apparatus. The Covid Commission report was about to be released, and with Sachs serving as chairman, there must have been widespread fears that its findings would include those same explosive accusations, but this time presented in a formal document that Western media outlets could not easily ignore.

In the political world, the earliest spin on a major story often sets the tone, so ferocious attacks may have been prepared in advance for immediate use once the report appeared, attacks aimed at what people feared the report might say. However, since the report actually excluded those claims, this strategy proved highly counter-productive, probably leading millions of individuals around the world to mistakenly believe that the Covid Commission had accused America of having created the deadly virus.

Consider the analogy of a nervous criminal with an extremely guilty conscience being asked an innocuous question on some matter and immediately responding with a long list of fierce denials about his hidden crimes, thereby attracting huge suspicion to his activities. An appropriate Biblical phrase comes to mind: “The Wicked Flee When No Man Pursueth.”

 

Most importantly, we should recognize that the attacks made in those media stories were almost nonsensical. When carefully considered, the supposed Covid origins theory denounced by those publications seems extremely implausible, indeed almost self-evidently false. According to the spurious headline of the Daily Mail, “The Lancet sensationally claims that Covid may have leaked from an AMERICAN lab.” The Daily Telegraph story described the theory in similar terms, as had the Daily Mail‘s previous July piece.

But such a scenario is a total absurdity. If Covid had “leaked from an American lab” why did the two earliest major outbreaks take place in Wuhan, China and Qom, Iran? Do we expect to find American biolabs—leaky or otherwise—located in the major cities of our country’s leading international adversaries?

Instead it’s quite obvious that an “American lab-leak hypothesis” is merely a euphemistic means of describing an “American biowarfare attack hypothesis.” But that latter notion is so extraordinarily controversial that it must remain strictly excluded and unmentioned in any Western publication, whether mainstream or alternative, far too controversial to even be attacked or denounced.

Indeed, the moment that the Western public begins considering an American origin of the virus, the likely circumstances of our gigantic calamity would become easily apparent, perhaps with dramatic political consequences. This explains why such strident efforts have been made in the media to exclude that possibility from any public discussion.

For those interested in reading the details of the scenario that the media feared too much to even denounce, I would recommend the series of articles I have published since April 2020, which explore most aspects of what probably happened.

ORDER IT NOW

In June I gathered together these articles and published them as a print collection on Amazon, a volume short enough to easily read within a day or two, but possessing the greater credibility of something that can be held in one’s hand.

Amazon allows authors to order copies of their books at the cost of printing, so for \$3 each (plus shipping) I recently had 535 copies sent to the DC offices of every Congressman and Senator, with the books fortuitously arriving just as the Covid Commission report was being released. Obviously, almost none of these copies will reach those elected representatives themselves, but I’d hope that a substantial fraction are examined by staffers or interns instead of being immediately tossed into the trash, thereby allowing those controversial ideas to begin circulating in DC policy and political circles.

For those who prefer to absorb that same information in a different format, I provided my analysis in several interviews earlier this year, and these have already established themselves as among the most popular videos on Rumble. The first presentation has now been viewed over 450,000 times, and the three together, well over a million.

Kevin Barrett, FFWN • February 16, 2022 • 15m

Video Link

Geopolitics & Empire • February 1, 2022 • 75m

Video Link

Red Ice TV • February 3, 2022 • 130m

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  1. I applaud Ron Unz for writing much more clearly about any resemblance between his view that Covid-19 originated in deliberate American biowarfare against its rivals and the views of Jeffrey Sachs, head of the Lancet Commission, on Covid-19 origins.

    He now characterizes the resemblance as “somewhat parallel accusations.” Fair enough.

    For the naïve reader I want to add that Sachs does not support a biowarfare hypothesis. The latest evidence of that is an interview to CNN on the day of the report. https://www.jeffsachs.org/interviewsandmedia/nhnpggde2rc3xmh5kb2csf5ghdsndk

    He says,

    We still don’t know where it came from. And we’ve not had transparency, from the U.S. government for example, which may be able to tell us, what kind of laboratory research was underway was that might accidentally have contributed to the emergence of this virus. We don’t know whether this came from nature, or a marketplace, or a laboratory, but I can tell you two years into this Commission Report, the U.S. Government knows more than it is telling… was it dangerous research or just a bad accident in the market place, we still don’t know…

  2. wlawlor says:

    The notion that America could do evil is anathema to the general public. However there are far too many events that have provoked aggressive actions by our leaders. 911 being the most recent. The Gulf of Tonkin was the invented spark to unleash the massacres in Viet Nam. Why wouldn’t we manufacture a bioweapon to control the world and reap billions in profits. Would we sacrifice people ? Of course we would and have in the past. Pearl Harbor is an example. Kissinger calls soldiers cannon fodder and gets a peace prize. Ukraine is the latest tool in the hegemonic playbook pushed by the same cast of characters who engineered the PNAC plot.

  3. Sean says:

    But such a scenario is a total absurdity. If Covid had “leaked from an American lab” why did the two earliest major outbreaks take place in Wuhan, China and Qom, Iran? Do we expect to find American biolabs—leaky or otherwise—located in the major cities of our country’s leading international adversaries?

    “Top stories

    The Wall Street Journal
    Russia’s Use of Iranian Kamikaze Drones Creates New Dangers for Ukrainian Troops – WSJ
    1 day ago”.

    China is a source for drone parts, and many other things. Iran has oil. So why would one expect there not to be a brisk high level visitor traffic between the countries? If there a well worked out timeline showing the Chinese Covid-19 outbreak was clearly not preceded by one in Iran, or the first cases in each country came too close together for the air travel from China to Iran to explain it as spread of a Wuhan origin for the Covid-19 pathogen, then would be significant. But such is not the case, as far as I am aware.

    • Replies: @TheTrumanShow
  4. Sean says:
    @New Dealer

    There was a ban on gain of function, but the US allowed Ralph Basic at North Carolina to continue to teach people from Wuhan how to do gain of function experiments with bat derived coronaviruses because he had already started doing so. That is what Sachs may be getting at, I think.

    • Replies: @迪路
  5. I saw a reference to the latest Lancet report a few days ago when the RT site published a story about it.

    US impeded independent research into Covid origins – Lancet
    https://www.rt.com/news/562874-us-impede-covid-research-lancet/

    This extremely dishonest story homed in on a single sentence in the Lancet report:

    Independent researchers have not yet investigated the US laboratories engaged in the laboratory manipulation of SARS-CoV-like viruses, …

    So far as I could determine, there was this and one other tiny part in this current Lancet piece which were “political”. Apparently this time Sachs was used only as an ornament, and was kept well away from the text.

    I’d recommend reading this report – at least the 45 pages which don’t include the references. This time medical people were writing the text, and it’s utterly damning to the incompetent politicians who mismanaged the Covid pandemic.

    Incompetent? Consider a brand new remark by the senile old fool currently living in the White House.

    Biden says ‘the pandemic is over’ even as death toll, costs mount
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/biden-says-the-pandemic-is-over-even-as-death-toll-costs-mount/ar-AA11YECq

    Hundreds of Americans are dying every single day, and thousands more are going to complicate their health situation with Long Covid. How does Clueless Joe know?

    “We still have a problem with COVID. We’re still doing a lotta work on it. But the pandemic is over. If you notice, no one’s wearing masks. Everybody seems to be in pretty good shape. And so I think it’s changing.”

    Since I don’t figure this site has any pretensions to being a “family blog”, I’m going to call that the ravings of a clueless dipsh*t. Biden and his agencies totally ignore things which could be done Right Now. Ventilation, as in improving it in schools and other public places. Corsi (filtration) Boxes for places where getting more fresh air is a problem. Distribute genuine N95 masks for a nominal sum – the millions of “free” ones handed out in stories around the nation a few months ago were shapeless/flimsy to the point of being worthless.

    No, all the old man can imagine doing is making stupid remarks and hyping More Big Pharma Needles.

    As for the Trumpies here, please don’t start preening, for your fellow was equally stupid, but in slightly different but equally dangerous ways.

    Again, read the Lancet report. The current American Covid body count is well over 1 million, and the number of dead Americans is greater than any single US war. Before very long it’ll exceed the total for total EVERY US war.

    It didn’t have to be that way, and the slaughter doesn’t have to continue. But it probably will.

    • Agree: Brás Cubas
    • Disagree: thotmonger
  6. There’s a different explanation. The Daily Mail likes to cover stories that are taboo, but they protect themselves by pretending to be SHOCKED! at contents.

    So perhaps the Daily Mail wants to publicize the possibility of a man-made virus created by American tech, but they don’t want to be seen as doing that, so instead they pretend to be scandalized by the very suggestion, and that is the ‘hook’ for their story. Meanwhile the real goal is achieved – millions of people are exposed to the theory.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  7. xyz234 says:

    Chinese lab, American lab…there is little difference, since the US maintains these virus hell labs all around the planet, and the Wuhan lab was funded by the NIH. Also, the French helped build it, and some of the viral samples were stolen(?) from a Canadian lab. Virology is a small club of internationally-funded rogue scientists.

    The public would scream if they really comprehended what is being created with their taxes. They are literally paying for their own demise.

  8. Thank You Ron for the work you do and for this article.

    “The Wick Flee When No Man Pursueth”

    My first thought after reading that quote….Anthony Fauci. One man who knows many of the answers to all the “COVID MYSTERIES.”

    Edit: Interestingly, right after posting my comment, I read the Joe Biden, yesterday evening on 60 Minutes declared the “End of the Covid Pandemic.”

  9. SafeNow says:

    When Vincennes mistakenly shot down a civilian airliner, the term “scenario fulfillment” received a lot of attention. An Australian newspaper gives a good definition of the term:

    “Scenario fulfillment occurs in highly trained and regimented organisations that have practised particular drills and simulations over and over, until responses to a particular scenario become automatic. So powerful are the reflex procedures that those in them will sometimes ignore or misinterpret information before the eyes that contradicts the scenario. Such as the fact that the aircraft approaching is an airliner, not a fighter plane, and is ascending, not descending.”

    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6138304/collateral-damage-in-a-war-without-winners/

    I think this psychological, institutional, phenomenon manifests itself broadly, extending to news outlets. The Daily Mail was fulfilling its well-practiced response to the scenario that was presented to it.

  10. Alright, so let us use the concession form of argumentation.

    So either it was American biowarfare or it doesn’t exist.

    My point is: Who cares?

    The real thing you should be talking about is how everything our owners did concerning it, deadly treatment protocols, deadly lockdowns, deadly everything, whether the thing itself is real or fake, destroyed the world.

    And the destruction continues. Why don’t you write something about how the vaccines are maiming and killing many millions?–an inarguable fact.

    • Replies: @MPJ
  11. mijj says:

    lol .. Daily Mail – disseminating essential truth by hysterical denial.

  12. Unz promoting disinformation. Linh Dinh is right about you.

    • Agree: R2b
    • Disagree: TKK
  13. Ben_53 says:

    Your articles on this issue are enormously important and hopefully influential, though your voice is one of the most censored that I know about. When the establishment hacks have to make such efforts to silence someone, it usually makes me more sympathetic to whatever that person is saying. That doesn’t mean I always agree either. As compelling as I fing this issue, I find your mainstream views regarding the Rona shots to be rather alarming. As a critical care practitioner with 20 years in the field I’ve experienced the entire thing from inside a very large and well known hospital. I don’t have any hard data but one thing that’s very clear to me is how the doctors changed from doing everything they could to save a patient to strictly adhering to CDC guidelines. I’d never witnessed anything similar in my professional career.

    • Thanks: thotmonger
  14. Anon[347] • Disclaimer says:

    Very nice to see Ron find something utilitarian in the bible! Very appropriate quote:
    “The Wicked Flee When No Man Pursueth”

    • Replies: @thotmonger
  15. @New Dealer

    Thanks for drawing attention to an additional question Ron seems not to have addressed in the course of pushing his tired, if not completely ridiculous, theory. That is whether he thinks Jeffrey Sachs would be behaving as he has been if he entertained the rogue biowarfare attack by the likes of Pompeo or Bolton as a possible explanation. If he thought it was, what do we know about Sachs which makes it conceivable that he would go about exploding such a huge bomb in the way he has?

  16. See Jimmy Dore’s “Big Pharma Eviscerated…” re US drug co working on
    a Covid vaccine long before Covid discovered in China

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  17. Most of us seem to agree that COVID origins will only be known when the principal government players “come clean”and share vital information.There also appears to be a consensus that the secrecy is motivated by their culpability but this is just ,at best, “informed speculation.”

    We can’t know what we don’t know but we can hypothesize using logic, probability and history.
    While Chinese cooking is much loved worldwide it is more adventurous than suits most western palettes,with the Wuhan Wet Market being the most famous example.Escargot has long been a coming-of -age test of courage and a test of your gag reflex,but the Chinese have gone way beyond the French for many centuries.It is reasonable to wonder why COVID 19 coincidentally erupted when
    when gain of function research was being done.The probability is that the two event are related.

    • Replies: @Anon
  18. The world military games were held in October 2019 in wuhan

  19. I applaud Ron Unz

    so do I.

  20. What Jeffrey Sachs , along with the neocon think tanks, Definitely don’t want Ron UNz to look at, is the offshore bioweapons ‘defense’ labs. (It must have been a DOD link rather than an Israeli attack on America).

    —————————–

    Washington Institute for Near East Policy.
    Debunking Russian Lies About Biolabs at Upcoming U.N. Meetings

    [MORE]

    https://www.rand.org/blog/2022/09/debunking-russian-lies-about-biolabs-at-upcoming-un.html

    wapo: How the right embraced Russian disinformation about ‘U.S. bioweapons labs’ in Ukraine

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/11/how-right-embraced-russian-disinformation-about-us-bioweapons-labs-ukraine/

    Russian Defense Ministry says Rosemont Seneca Partners investment fund sponsored military biological program in Ukraine
    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/russia-ukraine-war/russia-claims-us-presidents-son-involved-in-financing-ukrainian-biolabs/2545244

    From the information presented in the documents, Rosemont Seneca is closely affiliated with Metabiota and Black and Veach companies, known as official contractors for the delivery of equipment for the Pentagon’s biolabs all over the world, according to Kirillov.

    “Analysis of the documentation shows that not only tissue samples and human blood serum were exported abroad, but also dangerous pathogens, as well as their carriers. More than 10,000 samples were sent to the Lugar Center in Georgia, reference laboratories in the UK and the Leffler Institute in Germany,” said Kirillov.

    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/russia-ukraine-war/russia-claims-us-presidents-son-involved-in-financing-ukrainian-biolabs/2545244

    The Institute of Microbiology states in its materials that the study is tied to the “potential threat of biological terrorism” in Ukraine, despite the country’s ongoing conflict in its eastern areas. Zakharova stated that it is obvious that this is a sneaky manner of sending a message about the DPR and LPR’s suspected “involvement” in hatching preparations for the use of globally forbidden biological weapons. For a long time, the German military has been purposefully scaring their Ukrainian colleagues, psychologically putting them against the Donbass republics. Ukrainian biological safety experts are constantly present in medical biodefense conferences hosted by the Institute of Microbiology of the German Armed Forces.

    https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/russia:-germany-involved-in-military-biological-activities-i

    some ‘German’ Bio research projects

    Kimron Veterinary Institute – Research and Diagnostic Labs (Institution)

    The Kimron Veterinary Institute (KVI) comprises 17 laboratories, located at Bet Dagan. The laboratories are organized into 5 divisions, which share common resources of staff, equipment and space. About 5,000 necropsies and 660,000 laboratory examinations are performed annually. Five of the KVI labs are also National Reference Laboratories: rabies, botulism, brucellosis, food residues, and…

    Zuckerberg Institute for Water Research (Institution)

    Weizmann Institute of Science (Institution)

    Hebrew University of Jerusalem (Institution)

    Institute of Evolution, University of Haifa (Institution)

    https://fisaonline.de/en/advanced-search/?id=142&L=1&tx_fisasearch%5Bq%5D=&tx_fisasearch%5Bf%5D%5B%5D=&tx_fisasearch%5Bf%5D%5B%5D=&tx_fisasearch%5Bf%5D%5B%5D=hf_continent_country%3A1%2FAsia%2FIsrael&tx_fisasearch%5Bf%5D%5Bbs%5D=&tx_fisasearch%5Bf%5D%5Bbe%5D=#tx-fisasearch-form

    • Replies: @Anon
  21. When, who, what, how. Let’s get to the why.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @The Real World
  22. lavoisier says:

    It is one thing to claim the virus was created by America, it is a much bigger step to claim that it was likely a biowarfare attack against China and Iran.

    Professor Sachs, a member of the great and the good, is not going to go the next step Mr. Unz. And if he had taken this step, no chance he would have even been allowed to suggest that the virus was made in America.

    To pursue this matter to its reasonable conclusion as you have done is forbidden. The mere suggestion that the US deliberately manufactured and released a biological weapon opens up a Pandora’s box of multiple other questions that we are not allowed to ask.

    For the record, I thought the virus was likely man made early on based not on your extensive work and hypothesis, but because our government reacted so quickly to shut things down once it became apparent that the COVID virus was spreading. This told me that they knew something disturbing about this virus, suggesting culpability. I did not think the response would have been so dramatic if it had been viewed as simply a natural variant, although SARS-CoV1 and MERS were certainly viruses of concern given their much higher case fatality rates.

    • Agree: niceland
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Realist
    , @Thomm
  23. dimples says:

    “Instead it’s quite obvious that an “American lab-leak hypothesis” is merely a euphemistic means of describing an “American biowarfare attack hypothesis.” ”

    Well it may be obvious to Mr Unz but these hypotheses seem quite different to me, the only common factor being that the virus may have been developed in whole or in part in a US lab. This could also have been the case even if the virus leaked from the WIV, since US and Chinese virus labs are surely collaborative when it comes to the incestuous and hideous GOF research scene.

    The distinctive element of Mr Unz’s theory is the “release of GOF virus deliberately in China and Iran by a rogue brain-dead group of US agents in the mistaken belief that it would crush the Chinese economy and devastate the Iranian political class but not blowback to the US at all” feature. If you want to believe that well who are actually the brain dead?

    • Replies: @Spanky
    , @BlackFlag
  24. anastasia says:

    “….virus was artificial”, so says Sachs. Question: Is an artificial virus a virus?

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  25. Andreas says:

    I think the media stuff is just a distraction. It’s rabbit-hole analysis that will burn cycles yet go nowhere.

    I’m becoming more convinced that Prof. Sachs is a Deep State operative. He’s no knight amongst truth seekers.

    For years he’s been their go-to guy for developing and implementing plans and policies along quickly evolving international fronts. Why would anyone be compelled to believe otherwise now? One would have to believe that Prof. Sachs is a man who can no longer ignore his conscience and will pursue truth in light of his moral convictions no matter the risk to his personal reputation or career.

    But we seem no closer to the truth; and after all that has already transpired, the only heat Prof. Sachs seems likely to have felt is that from the grill of a late summer BBQ.

    It should also interest us that it is only by the skillful manipulation of words on all sides that Prof. Sachs has remained the darling of the alternative media and just outside the “tool of Russian propaganda” warning zone posted by the Deep State in the recent NYT article.

    Beware the soldier who appears in everyone’s camp yet in nobody’s cross-hairs.

    And so Prof. Sachs appears to function more as a gatekeeper, controlled opposition, one who can skillfully manage the status quo and assimilate new information while at the same time appearing to serve the interests of truth rather than to protect the Deep State.

    So my working assumption going forward is that Prof. Sachs is Deep State. If there is any truth to this, then I will expect the following.

    1. No information released by Prof. Sachs ever gets us closer to the truth about Covid-19.
    2. Periodically Prof Sachs releases another paper or appears on another podcast.
    3. Repeat steps 1 – 2 until no one cares anymore.

    If we ever do understand the origin of Covid-19, then it’s going to come from a completely unexpected direction or source.

    • Agree: Ben the Layabout
  26. Lee says:

    IMO the Dems has moved on now to the further destitution of the US and its citizens with a farcical climate change agenda.

    Covid served it’s purpose by getting Trump out of office. I happen to believe that Covid was accidently leaked out of a Chinese lab with the research work being paid for by Fauci and his minions. Sen Paul has repeatedly stated that this theory will be pursued to its end if the Reps take over Congress. We will see.

  27. @New Dealer

    Parallel to 9-11.

    It doesn’t make any difference if they did it on purpose or if they let it happen. Some people seem to care a lot but I don’t. That it happened at all is one thing and pretty small beans.

    It’s the response. That is what you need to look at and know these people at the top are completely berzerk.

  28. In hindsight it seems pretty ridiculous that the whole world was infected because some guy in China ate a batburger.

    • LOL: TKK
    • Replies: @TKK
    , @Dave Bowman
  29. bj0311 says:

    I still don’t believe in the “virus” as has been hyped for over two years now. No bodies in the streets, no zombies–nothing at all different from any other flu season(s) except the hype. It is the reaction that disturbs me, this origin game is just a distraction. The deliberate fear mongering and completely unscientific response from the establishment are what I find concerning.

    I don’t care where it came from what I care about is accountability from the people who tried to destroy the world because of a mild flu. People who are still pushing a vaccination program that is more deadly than this so-called flu. People who are still hyping a flu that is now over two years gone. In the world I grew up in Fauci would be in prison not enjoying retirement. I really think I crossed over into an alternate universe sometime early in this century.

    • Agree: Dystopian
    • Replies: @Jefferson Temple
  30. A123 says: • Website

    Interestingly, the contents of the article are not consistent with the salacious headlines. For example, in the embedded video at the Daily Mail (1), Mr. Sachs use very specific language.

    • “Blunder” (0:15)
    • “U.S. lab biotechnology” (0:08)

    The simplest way both of these statements can be true is WIV did it, and Elite U.S. Universities helped. I suggest Sachs is *being cagey* because he does not want to offend his peers by openly blaming WIV.

    The term “blunder”, is 100% inconsistent with Fort Detrick as Origin. How could an accident on the U.S. East Coast reach an air terminal, cross the Pacific to a China customs city, and then further travel onwards to Wuhan — without creating infections in any intermediary locations? This is highly implausible, if not outright impossible.

    Sachs use of the term “blunder” is an indirect *cagey* way of pointing at WIV as Origin.

    WIV had ties to major U.S. universities and the Eco Health Alliance. Either could have easily transferred U.S. lab biotechnology to WIV. Sachs is a Columbia University professor. Sachs would be ostracized by his peers if he brought shame on universities that supplied U.S. lab biotechnology to WIV.

    If Sachs actually believed that Trump tied neocons were the source, he would have a free pass to speak plainly. Openly blaming the virus on malfeasance during the Trump administration would make Sachs a hero at Columbia University, not a pariah. He certainly would have avoided terms like “blunder” that are inconsistent with malfeasance.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11214761/Fury-Chinas-puppet-Lancet-sensationally-claims-Covid-leaked-laboratory.html

  31. Isinglass says:

    The most amazing aspect is why you persist in parroting the tweet by someone who can obviously barely understand English.
    Sachs said “out of US lab biotechnology” nothing to do with “out of a us lab of biotechnology”
    You repeat it even though you know it’s false because it bolsters your lurid claims.
    Of course, your dishonesty in repeating it undermines them.

  32. Ron Unz says:
    @New Dealer

    For the naïve reader I want to add that Sachs does not support a biowarfare hypothesis. The latest evidence of that is an interview to CNN on the day of the report.

    You’re being very naive.

    As I emphasized to you in previous exchanges, it seems pretty obvious that Sachs is deliberately avoiding the question of whether an American or a Chinese lab created the Covid virus. Instead, he’s (very correctly) focused like a laser on making two points:

    (1) The Covid virus was probably bioengineered in a laboratory.
    (2) Since early 2020, a large number of scientists associated with the US government have been working very hard to cover-up that fact.

    In his interviews, he’s also suggested that the creation of the Covid virus may have been connected with America’s massive biowarfare infrastructure and that the EcoHealth Alliance working with the Wuhan lab seems to have been an American intelligence-gathering operation funded by the Pentagon.

    I’m absolutely not claiming that Sachs personally believes that Covid was an American bioweapon, but it’s equally absurd for you to claim he’s ruled out that possibility. Instead, he’s deliberately avoiding the issue, which is the correct position for him to be taking.

    If he actually believed that Covid leaked from the Wuhan lab (as you argue), he could have mentioned that possibility a hundred times in the last few months, just as so many hundreds of previous articles or pundits have done. Instead, he’s kept very noticeably silent.

    Meanwhile, if he actually suspected that Covid was an American biowarfare attack, it would be gigantically counter-productive for him to publicly say so, since it would totally destroy all his media access, which he needs to have any hope of promoting his (1) and (2) points above.

    Also, since he’s an powerful academic insider, saying something like that might be personally dangerous for him. Here are a few highly relevant paragraphs from my original April 2020 article:

    Around the same time, I noted another extremely strange coincidence that failed to attract any interest from our somnolent national media. Although his name had meant nothing to me, in late January my morning newspapers carried major stories on the sudden arrest of Prof. Charles Lieber, one of Harvard University’s top scientists and Chairman of its Chemistry Department, sometimes characterized as a potential future Nobel Laureate.

    The circumstances of that case seemed utterly bizarre to me. Like numerous other prominent American academics, Lieber had had decades of close research ties with China, holding joint appointments and receiving substantial funding for his work. But now he was accused of financial reporting violations in the disclosure portions of his government grant applications—the most obscure sort of offense—and on the basis of those accusations, he was seized by the FBI in an early-morning raid on his suburban Lexington home and dragged off in shackles, potentially facing years of federal imprisonment.

    Such government action against an academic seemed almost without precedent. During the height of the Cold War, numerous American scientists and technicians were rightfully accused of having stolen our nuclear weapons secrets for delivery to Stalin, yet I had never heard of any of them treated in so harsh a manner, let alone a scholar of Prof. Lieber’s stature, who was merely charged with technical disclosure violations. Indeed, this incident recalled accounts of NKVD raids during the Soviet purges of the 1930s.

    Although Lieber was described as a chemistry professor, a few seconds of Googling revealed that some of his most important work had been in virology, including technology for the detection of viruses. So a massive and deadly new viral epidemic had broken out in China and almost simultaneously, a top American scholar with close Chinese ties and expertise in viruses was suddenly arrested by the federal government, yet no one in the media expressed any curiosity at a possible connection between these two events.

    I think we can safely assume that Lieber’s arrest by the FBI had been prompted by the concurrent coronavirus epidemic, but anything more is mere speculation. Those now accusing China of having created the coronavirus might surely suggest that our intelligence agencies discovered that the Harvard professor had been personally involved with that deadly research. But I think a far more likely possibility is that Lieber began to wonder whether the epidemic in China might not be the result of an American biowarfare attack, and was perhaps a little too free in voicing his suspicions, thereby drawing the wrath of our national security establishment. Inflicting such extremely harsh treatment upon a top Harvard scientist would greatly intimidate all of his lesser colleagues elsewhere, who would surely now think twice before broaching certain controversial theories to any journalist.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-coronavirus-catastrophe-as-biowarfare-blowback/#initial-suspicions-of-an-american-biowarfare-attack

  33. Ron Unz says:
    @Emblematic

    There’s a different explanation. The Daily Mail likes to cover stories that are taboo, but they protect themselves by pretending to be SHOCKED! at contents.

    So perhaps the Daily Mail wants to publicize the possibility of a man-made virus created by American tech, but they don’t want to be seen as doing that, so instead they pretend to be scandalized by the very suggestion, and that is the ‘hook’ for their story. Meanwhile the real goal is achieved – millions of people are exposed to the theory.

    Sure, that’s an excellent point. However, the near-simultaneous attack in Foreign Policy especially seemed very clearly aimed at undercutting Sachs’ position, and apparently one member of the Covid Commission had also repeatedly pushed for any hint at American involvement to be removed from the final report. So I think that at least some of what was going on was a coordinated effort to counter Sachs’ recent public statements.

  34. Thirdtwin says:

    An appropriate Biblical phrase comes to mind: “The Wicked Flee When No Man Pursueth.”

    Or for atheists, “The Streisand Effect”.

  35. David B says:

    Independent journalist George Webb has been saying for some time now (since well before our host Mr. Unz figured it out) that Covid-19 was a U.S. bioweapon first released at the World Military Games in Wuhan in the fall of 2019. His investigative methodology involves deep dives into the metadata. He names names. Webb has a Substack column and last I checked was still on Twitter.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  36. @Sean

    “Leak” is a figurative euphemism, Sean, and leaked “from” is the same. Literalism leads astray.

    • Replies: @Sean
  37. Ron Unz says:
    @lavoisier

    It is one thing to claim the virus was created by America, it is a much bigger step to claim that it was likely a biowarfare attack against China and Iran.

    Professor Sachs, a member of the great and the good, is not going to go the next step Mr. Unz. And if he had taken this step, no chance he would have even been allowed to suggest that the virus was made in America.

    To pursue this matter to its reasonable conclusion as you have done is forbidden. The mere suggestion that the US deliberately manufactured and released a biological weapon opens up a Pandora’s box of multiple other questions that we are not allowed to ask.

    Exactly. That’s why it’s a division-of-labor situation.

    Sachs is very correctly concentrating on establishing that Covid was bioengineered and that there’s a major American effort to cover-up that reality. Numerous other scientists and journalists agree with him on this, and given his stature and credibility, he may succeed in breaking through the media blockade and establishing those facts.

    Meanwhile, I’m entirely focused on an entirely different stage of the controversy, and it would be disastrously counter-productive for Sachs to involve himself in this.

  38. FifthDim says:

    I am wondering if The Lancet investigated or will investigate the side effects COVID’s juice has done to many millions; https://www.realnotrare.com is a good source to start on.

  39. Realist says:
    @lavoisier

    The mere suggestion that the US deliberately manufactured and released a biological weapon opens up a Pandora’s box of multiple other questions that we are not allowed to ask.

    Anyone who does not believe that the US government would deliberately manufacture and released a biological weapon is totally ignoring the evil, sinister, warmongering, and hegemonic actions of the US, especially since WWII.

  40. @Ron Unz

    Nicholas Wade … Jeffrey Sachs …

    The apparent need to pick out, amplify, rationalize, and flak for Establishment figures is an odd tic for a contrarian public intellectual.

    Your mission would be better served by foregoing childish black/white hattery and appeals to authority.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @vinteuil
  41. Ron Unz says:
    @David B

    Independent journalist George Webb has been saying for some time now (since well before our host Mr. Unz figured it out) that Covid-19 was a U.S. bioweapon first released at the World Military Games in Wuhan in the fall of 2019.

    Frankly, I’ve never heard of George Webb, and looking at his Substack, he seems to be a Trumpist conspiracy-activist. If you can point me to his Covid biowarfare articles, I’ll certainly take a look at them.

    However, I think it’s extremely unlikely that he was the first person to suggest that Covid was released under cover of the Wuhan Military Games, which was very widely discussed all over the Internet during the early months of 2020.

    As far as I know, the first person to make that suggestion was a somewhat eccentric American ex-pat living in China who calls himself “Metallicman” and he did so in mid/late January 2020, just after the Wuhan outbreak reached the international media.

    I republished his 15,000 word Covid posting that same month, which generated huge traffic and over 100,000 words of comments, and probably got his ideas into much wider circulation, perhaps thereby attracting Webb’s attention.

    https://www.unz.com/article/was-the-2020-wuhan-coronavirus-an-engineered-biological-attack-on-china-by-america-for-geopolitical-advantage/

    I extensively discussed all of these issues in my own comments at that time, and then in April 2020 I published my first article, in which I explicitly cited “Metallicman” on that and other crucial points:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-coronavirus-catastrophe-as-biowarfare-blowback/#initial-suspicions-of-an-american-biowarfare-attack

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  42. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    (1) The Covid virus was probably bioengineered in a laboratory.
    (2) Since early 2020, a large number of scientists associated with the US government have been working very hard to cover-up that fact.

    Given the ties between. The U.S. and WIV, these two points fit neatly together:

    -1- WIV is Origin.
    -2- The U.S. is covering up Wuhan’s involvement.

    Hunter Biden is known to have taken lavish gifts from the CCP, including an \$80,000 diamond (1). His dad, Beijing Biden, is merely following through.

    MegaCorporations have invested heavily in moving jobs from America to China. To keep American Labour weak they are desperate to prevent MAGA Reindustrialization and appropriate border security.

    Their co-conspirators in the Fake Stream Media have huge incentives to suppress stories that could lead to action against CCP interests:
        • Natural outbreak in Wuhan is acceptable.
        • CCP lab source is not.

    I’m absolutely not claiming that Sachs personally believes that Covid was an American bioweapon, but it’s equally absurd for you to claim he’s ruled out that possibility. Instead, he’s deliberately avoiding the issue, which is the correct position for him to be taking.

    The problem is that it would not be his correct position.

    Claiming it was a Trump tied bioattack, would result in Sachs being hailed as hero by Columbia University and the Fake Stream Media. There would be a concerted effort to elevate Sachs to be a living god, behold “The TrumpSlayer”. Blaming Trump is massively popular at Elite Left Universities like Columbia. Multiple book deals and tens of millions of dollars of personal wealth would follow.

    The only reason for Sachs to be *cagey* is the need to protect Elite Left universities. For example, institution involved wth research at WIV.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2022/09/13/my-son-hunter-true-fact-hunter-biden-gifted-80k-diamond-by-chinese-energy-co-partner/

    • Replies: @Anon
  43. Charles says:

    The comments attacking Ron Unz for his alleged oversights or obfuscation remind me of what J. Derbyshire wrote a few weeks ago. Obviously I am paraphrasing, but in essence Derb stated that in most scenarios Ron is the brightest and most well-read person in the room, and people who want to argue with him find out that Ron knows the subject better than they do.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  44. EdwardM says:

    Obviously, almost none of these copies will reach those elected representatives themselves, but I’d hope that a substantial fraction are examined by staffers or interns instead of being immediately tossed into the trash, thereby allowing those controversial ideas to begin circulating in DC policy and political circles.

    Credited to Upton Sinclair: “It’s difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on not understanding it.”

  45. Anonymous[284] • Disclaimer says:

    CIA’s guilty panic smells like the most delectable washed-rind cheese.

    Commission report: SARS2 exhibits a furin cleavage site involving a CGG-coded double arginine codon and a BsaXI Golden Gate with seamless cloning.

    Wisner’s Wurlitzer: Crazy eggheads claim Michael Pompeo and Elizabeth Kimber should be prosecuted or extradited for undeclared sneak-attack crime of aggression with banned biological weapons in breach of Hague (III), Geneva Convention 1929, and BWTC Article 1!!

    • Replies: @skrik
  46. Thank you for sending those 535 books to DC, wonder if we’ll see more spooks and trolls in the comment section now, lol. Keep up the good work!

    btw, I would gladly pay top \$ for a print edition of this site, sans comments perhaps, say like captured in a monthly digest/magazine format. For when the lights go out…

  47. @A123

    Good points. The reason I didn’t simply click “agree” was a minor objection I have (it applies to your previous comments as well) about naming the WIV as a sole suspect when Wuhan has other virus research labs of lower security than the WIV, and research activities outside of a lab (e.g. collecting bats) are also on the suspect list. I suppose you would agree but were trying to keep the comment from being too crowded with details.

    • Thanks: A123
    • Replies: @A123
  48. HBM says:

    Shi was trained in the US. Is she CIA?

  49. Anon[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @Iran and China AND Trump

    Washington Institute for Near East Policy.
    Isn’t this a neocon Zionist front?

  50. Anon[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    MegaCorporations have invested heavily in moving jobs from America to China. To keep American Labour weak they are desperate to prevent MAGA Reindustrialization and appropriate border security.

    This is true but you need to go deeper. It was Jewish and Israeli venture capitalists and Wall Street firms that forced US companies to go overseas in order to lower labor costs increase profit margins stock values etc. It always comes back to the financier usurer class.

  51. @Charles

    Whiteknight appealing to another’s authority for the intellectual invincibility of Mr. Unz. (How, then, do his arguments gain anything from the likes of you and “Derb”?)

    I would rather consider and discuss Mr. Unz’s work on its merits without the needless hydrant marking and sniffing.

  52. Sean says:
    @TheTrumanShow

    How A Tilt Toward Safety Stopped A Scientist’s Virus Research https://www.npr.org › sections › health-shots › 2014/11/07
    7 Nov 2014 — The U.S. government has stopped some experiments with dangerous viruses, saying the risks need to be reconsidered

    Baric gets a lot of funding from the government.

    So he really felt the effects in October, when the White House did something unusual. Officials said they were halting certain government-funded experiments on three viruses — influenza, SARS and MERS.

    The Obama administration was concerned about any research that could make the viruses more dangerous, so they wanted to stop and review studies to see if they could make these germs capable of causing more disease or spreading easily through the air.

    Despite the worldwide scientific uproar over gain of function experiments on dangerous viruses, Baric was allowed to continue teaching Wuhan researchers how to engineer enhanced transmissibility bat coronaviruses and remove the tell tale signs they had been engineered. https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2015.18787

    [MORE]

    https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2020/05/16/should_researchers_seek_out_deadly_viruses_to_find_cures.html

    Published: 12 November 2015
    Engineered bat virus stirs debate over risky research
    Declan Butler
    Nature (2015)
    Lab-made coronavirus related to SARS can infect human cells.

    An experiment that created a hybrid version of a bat coronavirus — one related to the virus that causes SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) — has triggered renewed debate over whether engineering lab variants of viruses with possible pandemic potential is worth the risks.[…] Although almost all coronaviruses isolated from bats have not been able to bind to the key human receptor, SHC014 is not the first that can do so. In 2013, researchers reported this ability for the first time in a different coronavirus isolated from the same bat population2.

    The findings reinforce suspicions that bat coronaviruses capable of directly infecting humans (rather than first needing to evolve in an intermediate animal host) may be more common than previously thought, the researchers say.

    But other virologists question whether the information gleaned from the experiment justifies the potential risk. Although the extent of any risk is difficult to assess, Simon Wain-Hobson, a virologist at the Pasteur Institute in Paris, points out that the researchers have created a novel virus that “grows remarkably well” in human cells. “If the virus escaped, nobody could predict the trajectory,” he says. [..] The latest study was already under way before the US moratorium began, and the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) allowed it to proceed while it was under review by the agency, says Ralph Baric, an infectious-disease researcher at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, a co-author of the study. The NIH eventually concluded that the work was not so risky as to fall under the moratorium, he says.

    But Wain-Hobson disapproves of the study because, he says, it provides little benefit, and reveals little about the risk that the wild SHC014 virus in bats poses to humans.

    Iran does not have an attack dog country like North Korea, enormous conventional army, ICMB thermonuclear weapons or virologists trained by a world authority like Baric to do that voodoo that he does so well (and how to recognise it has been done by someone else).

    Unlike Iran, China has the virology expertise to recognize a bioweapon attack on it, and a range of options to retaliate (including in kind and clandestinely). If they had recognized such a bioweapon attack by the US, then China would have no choice but to exercise one of the aforementioned retributive options, and done something drastic.

  53. Dystopian says:
    @A123

    I find it strange that your comment is the only one here that questions the veracity of Lancet which has been totally disgraced by it’s promotion of true disinformation on the subject of Covid.

    • Thanks: A123
  54. A123 says: • Website
    @Brás Cubas

    Good points. The reason I didn’t simply click “agree” was a minor objection I have

    The Thanks option was added to Agree/Disagree to allow a positive response with out explicit agreement.

    naming the WIV as a sole suspect when Wuhan has other virus research labs of lower security than the WIV, and research activities outside of a lab (e.g. collecting bats) are also on the suspect list. I suppose you would agree but were trying to keep the comment from being too crowded with details.

    You are corerect.

    Sachs and I agree that activities at other institutions in Wuhan are worthy of investigation. Here is what Sachs says about Wuhan in the PNAS publication. (1)

    A call for an independent inquiry into the origin of the SARS-CoV-2 virus

    A broad spectrum of coronavirus research work was done not only in Wuhan (including groups at Wuhan University and the Wuhan CDC, as well as WIV) but also in the United States. The exact details of the fieldwork and laboratory work of the EHA-WIV-UNC partnership

    Sachs is laying a trail that smart, honest investigators will follow to WIV. However, as he is personally pressured by Elite University ties, he must use euphemism rather than direct accusation.

    Leaving the door open to other possibilities for the Wuhan “blunder” is scientifically honest. These institutions are less probable than WIV, but are certainly sources that could have contaminated Wuhan.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2202769119

    • Agree: Brás Cubas
    • Replies: @lulu
  55. Ron Unz says:
    @Greta Handel

    Nicholas Wade … Jeffrey Sachs …

    The apparent need to pick out, amplify, rationalize, and flak for Establishment figures is an odd tic for a contrarian public intellectual.

    Both Wade and Sachs are serious, highly-credible individuals with a great deal of knowledge and influence. That’s why I pay attention to their views.

    Meanwhile, you’re just an eccentric anti-vaxxer who hangs out on this website because you’ve probably been banned everywhere else. As far as I can recall, the overwhelming majority of your comments are just complaining about writers and commenters on this website, while almost never providing anything of substance yourself.

    • Agree: Poupon Marx
    • Replies: @Anon
  56. skrik says:
    @Anonymous

    SARS2 exhibits a furin cleavage site involving a CGG-coded double arginine codon and a BsaXI Golden Gate with seamless cloning

    Err, link please? Anything else to say?

    Posit: Let’s say Pompeo&Kimber were a) presumed guilty [of SARS-CoV-2 release] then b) what agency might “prosecute or extradite” them?

    Thanks in advance. rgds

  57. HT says:

    One of the reasons Hitler wanted to remove Jews from German society was their audacious lying and dishonesty in the media they dominated. We are in the same boat. Instead of having a media that is a check on government power and seeking the truth, we also have a Jew media that operates as a propaganda tool for the Left and Jew big money interests. Once Germany got rid of Jew influence, they turned into the most powerful economic machine in the world. One can only imagine what would happen in America in a country where the media provides real information.

    • Agree: Carroll Price
  58. nsa says:

    Denying something before being accused of it is classic innoculation technique. If the denial does not stimulate enough response, human adjuvants like Sachs are required.

  59. @Zachary Smith

    “We still have a problem with COVID. We’re still doing a lotta work on it. But the pandemic is over. If you notice, no one’s wearing masks. Everybody seems to be in pretty good shape. And so I think it’s changing.”

    You see, Covid was deadly, i.e., The Plague, and required those that had symptoms to be on a respirator. Whole ICU wards were built to accommodate the avalanche of new cases.

    But then: we sat down and negotiated with the Covid Leadership and arrived at an amelioration agreement with the virus, directly. The terms were as follows: if the virus would accommodate us and lose its morbidity or reduce it, we in turn promised to create more and more morbid and deadly strains that would not only be more contagious, but create more severe longitudinal symptoms of debilitations. Negotiations were successful.

  60. geokat62 says:

    As might be expected, the panel was heavily stocked with the “Great and the Good” of global public health policy, as reflected in its chairman Prof. Jeffrey Sachs of Columbia University, a pillar of the academic establishment who had twice been named by Time magazine as one of the 100 most influential people in the world.

    I didn’t realize Jeffrey Sachs had public health credentials.

    Moreover, pretending that Sachs should be counted among the “Great and the Good” after the damage his economic policy recommendations inflicted upon the people of Russia is quite remarkable.

  61. @Zachary Smith

    Hard to believe that many yet consider Covid to be the big killer. One example: A friend in his late 40’s/early 50’s, with a moderate heart problem, took the jab. The next day he was totally horizontal. Hundreds of young, healthy athletes in virtually all sports, but particularly soccer, took the jab and soon died, right there on the playing-field.

    The actual Covid deaths, as well, happened primarily to very elderly folk with a number of co-morbidities. Yet, even many of them actually succumbed to hospital treatments including ventilators and Remdesiver.

    Why is it that otherwise intelligent people simply do not get it? Is there a contagion of cognitive dissonance combined with wanting to remain “comfortably numb” ?

    • Agree: Adam Smith
    • Thanks: Carroll Price
    • Replies: @Alden
  62. KenH says:

    Although Prof. Sachs’ recent public statements had gone entirely unreported by nearly every mainstream and alternative media outlet,

    And oddly this claim by Sachs has been completely ignored by Tucker Carlson who prides himself on challenging dominant narratives. While it’s super sexy to claim that the U.S. is the chief culprit in the COVID saga Sachs and others are making allegations without providing any evidence. It’s possible both the U.S. and China are responsible but neither wants to admit their level of culpability and prefers to point fingers.

    The other thing I find odd is that I don’t think anyone who is alleging that the U.S. is the chief culprit behind the COVID release has been censored, deplatformed and subjected to media scorn and hatred as those alleging that China is responsible/most responsible, but maybe I’m just not paying attention.

    Lastly, it seems the natural origin theory has completely gone by the wayside and it’s now commonly believed that COVID is a chimeric virus that leaked from a lab. It’s now just a battle royale to determine which lab and where. Funny because the lab leak claim/theory used to be “misinformation” subject to social media censorship yet now it’s accepted as fact.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  63. Every story in the MSM has an agenda. My wife likes to watch the “news” before work in the morning. I can’t get thru 30 seconds without spotting an obvious lie. From “avid jogger” Aurbrey to “honest elections,” it’s all lies.

    Ron’s praise of the Daily Mail in the first paragraph of this article is sad.

    “The publication has stayed true to its original tabloid roots and its success comes from its willingness to wholeheartedly jump on those controversial stories that other outlets avoid.”

    I admire Ron’s optimism that if enough facts are rubbed in the MSM’s face they will eventually come around. Never going to happen.

  64. Ron Unz says:
    @Ron Unz

    As it happens, I just received a very nice note from a knowledgeable and fairly influential figure in the Covid origins debate who congratulated me for my analysis of the bizarre reporting by the media.

    I’m certainly not saying that I can read the minds of Sachs or the journalists who so ferociously attacked him, but I do think that the reconstruction I’ve presented is a reasonably plausible one, and it’s nice to have my views seconded by someone whom I greatly respect.

    However, lots of the random, agitated commenters on this thread sharply disagree.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @24th Alabama
  65. Cohen says:

    RON UNZ

    Ref: https://www.unz.com/runz/covid-and-the-political-bankruptcy-of-the-alternative-media/#comment-5542674

    Your comment # 221
    Thank you for your gracious comments about yourself in contrast to “Mr. Know All” approach

    There is a manufactured misconception that commissions do a public service and could be trusted. One of your article referring to NYT caught my eye. NYT or Wash. Post…. a big no no, regardless what anyone says. I am sure you remember Judith Miller’s propaganda book “Germs”. while the poor woman could not differentiate between bacteria and virus she was quick to stenotyped someone’s work .

    While checking Jeffery Sachs on google I saw him involved in Sustainability. I have been involved in Environmental business long enough to know people in the field. Never heard of Jeffery Sachs. One thing led to another. A magazine (Lancet) formed a Covid commission. The commission members (with the exception of a few) have no qualification or background on the subject. Mostly, economists, a civil engineer, a former politician (president of Latvia), a librarian etc.

    The usual suspects Rockefeller group, WHO, The world Bank, IMF are all involved with generous funding providing to commission. I agree 100% with you that SAR-2 etc along with old viruses are bio weapons (lymme disease, Nile virus, Swine flue…..). But why all of a sudden this push on Covid 19 as s Bio Weapon through Lancet/Jeffery Sachs. Why not by Medical professionals, Virologist, Immunologist, Bio Chemists, Molecular Biologist.. on and on. Some day it will come out and would be interesting to learn.

    There is a covid commission by some Nursing Association (…..) which I think is more credible than the Covid commission by Lancet Magazine comprising of economist, librarians, politician, civil engineers…. Next thing we can have Covid Commissions funded by Papa John or Ace Hardware store with a famous and very fat retired general heading the commission while foot ball players, economists, and few other warm bodies constituting the team?

    Jeffery Sachs was economic advisor to Boris Yeltsin and a member of Harvard “Economic Team” to Russia in 90s. He was fired and Putin later took care of the rest of the members. This is google information and I sincerely hope that we are talking about the same Jeffery Sachs. What Harvard Privatization team team did is another discussion

    Your statement “I’m friendly with some of the key people on the whole issue, and they were extremely impressed with what Sachs said in those interviews” is genuine and sincere and I am 100% in agreement with you. The only thing to ask is where these gentlemen get their information and if they are involved in medical fields to support Jeffery Sachs expertise on Corona Virus.

    Just an anecdote: Back in 90s when there were media full of Pollution/environments stories and before Sustainability and carbon print went full stream. In one of the conference in Washington, DC, I met some folks from Mississippi who were representing an organization “JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE AGAINST POLLUTION”. It was an interesting name of an organization. I kept their business card for a long time but unfortunately lost it.

  66. Anon[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    As it happens, I just received a very nice note from a knowledgeable and fairly influential figure in the Covid origins debate who congratulated me for my analysis of the bizarre reporting by the media.

    Why is it necessary for you to receive acclaim for simply reporting the Truth? You’re like a little boy craving parental approval and peer recognition. This is a sign that your ego dominates and prevents you from being a true champion of human rights and dignity.

  67. @Zachary Smith

    Deaths resulting from vaccinations will far exceed those from the Covid virus, while at the same time not being recognized or acknowledged as such. Which is obviously already happening.

  68. Ron Unz says:
    @KenH

    The other thing I find odd is that I don’t think anyone who is alleging that the U.S. is the chief culprit behind the COVID release has been censored, deplatformed and subjected to media scorn and hatred as those alleging that China is responsible/most responsible, but maybe I’m just not paying attention.

    I’m not sure I agree with that…

    I think roughly half the media coverage has claimed that Covid was a natural virus and the other half claimed that it leaked out from the Wuhan lab, which had created it. Prior to Nicholas Wade’s seminal May 2021 article, that second view was banned from Facebook and often deplatformed, but that suddenly changed:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-george-orwells-virus-lab-leak/

    There’s also a sliver of claims by pro-China (or anti-America) propaganda-activists that Covid accidentally leaked out of Ft. Detrick and was floating around America during 2019 before it suddenly jumped to Wuhan and started an epidemic.

    But I think I’ve been virtually alone in regularly claiming that Covid was created by America and deliberately deployed against China (and Iran), though last month the Russian Defense Ministry began also suggesting that possibility:

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/russian-defense-ministry-accuses-american-government-of-being-responsible-for-the-emergence-of-covid/

    The Russian Foreign Ministry was immediately suspended from Twitter for promoting that claim that the US had created Covid:

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/twitter-cancels-russia-over-covid-biowarfare-accusations/

    Similarly, this website was immediately banned by Facebook with all of its pages deranked by Google just days after I published my first Covid article:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/what-google-and-facebook-are-hiding/

    Based upon these examples, suggesting that the Covid was an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran) is ultra-ultra-touchy, and various podcasters have explicitly told me they’re fearful of being deplatformed if they interviewed me on the topic.

    • Replies: @KenH
  69. The purpose of setting up “A UK medical journal has suggested the US could have created the Covid virus” is to demolish the weakest links of the chain, and then pretending that the whole chain has been demolished. The weakest chain in the argument, “Covid virus was created in an American biolab and then released as a blower against China” is the link that it was released by America as a bioweapon. Neither Mr Unz nor Mr Sachs can ever successfully prove beyond reasonable doubt that America released it intentionally. Thus, when that link is demolished, people will naturally take it that the claim, “Covid virus was created in a lab” is also proved to be false. And that is the main purpose of the disinformation.

    Covid virus shows every sign of being an artificial creation; it shows the result of a Gain of Functions experiment, especially in that part “Furin cleavage site”. Even if only this statement penetrates the thick skulls of the public mind, it will lead to a lot of trouble for a lot of “scientists” who stupidly tinker with things too dangerous for humans to tinker with. Once people accept that Covid virus is artificial, then its source must be a lab – whether American, Canadian, Ukrainian or Chinese. And then it is only a matter of time next link is verified to be true – that it came out of a lab. And then one link leads to another, and most people could add 2 + 2 to come to their own conclusions about the pandemic that could have been stopped with lozenges. And many who have lost their family members to this man-made disaster (even if you convince me that the Covid virus was naturally born, I would still call the handling of this entire stupidemic as disaster), may wake up to the lies and frauds and medical murders in the last three years. So, the fact that NCoV 19 is artificial must be buried deep quickly.

    • Replies: @Ben the Layabout
  70. @Thirdtwin

    But the righteous are ..?

    Proverbs 28:1 – “The wicked flee when no one pursues, but the righteous are bold as a lion.”

    Was Ron suggesting something? λιοντάρι. The nu looks like a v. Voil, viol, isn’t there a word for a lab container similar in tinglitsch? Is Ron Unz a master of Ancient gemmatria?

  71. “Since April 2020 I’ve stood almost alone in publicly arguing that Covid was probably an American virus, with the global outbreak being blowback from a disastrously reckless biowarfare attack against China (and Iran).”

    There’s a reason you stood almost alone. And it’s not because you’ve been exceptionally stunning and brave or exceptionally insightful; it’s because it’s a ridiculous hypothesis (e.g., appeals to “blowback” when this operation was obviously planned and war-gamed in advance), and you’ve stuck with it in the face of all sorts of contradictory evidence — including the copious evidence that the virus was already in places like Italy in the fall of 2019.

    https://michaelpsenger.substack.com/p/leading-virologists-wrongfully-assumed (“we now have overwhelming, often peer-reviewed evidence that the virus began spreading undetected all over the world by fall 2019 at the very latest”; see the multiple hyperlinks in that sentence for more)

    https://www.eugyppius.com/p/every-day-there-is-more-evidence

    And so on and so on.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    , @Anon
    , @Ron Unz
  72. Another possibility is that it was an outsourcing disaster. Some of the testing was outsourced to Wuhan, and they weren’t prepared. The reaction always seemed a little bit maniacal, an “oh my God” panic reaction to a screwup. The decision of the Chinese to coverup their part was not helpful, but they might have been afraid of the American reaction if they told the truth. I’m a screwup theorist, not a conspiracy theorist.

  73. @New Dealer

    It was a man made virus.
    Whether it was released on purpose or by mistake
    is up for debate.
    Who did it ?
    If anyone except the USA or it’s closest allies did it
    they would have been bombed as soon as it spread to USA

  74. Dumbo says:
    @allergic2katz

    Yeah, sometimes a conspiracy theory is ignored because it’s dangerous to the status quo. And sometimes it is ignored simply because it doesn’t make sense.

    The “virus” may or may not have been created in a lab (I don’t think it was, I think it’s natural, but I don’t disregard the idea completely), but not to “attack China and Iran”, which doesn’t make sense.

    The pandemic is now “over”, according to Biden, and even in Canada they are finally removing all restrictions. In most of Europe they are long gone.

    My own theory? The “pandemic” was mostly a media myth — the disease existed, but its lethality has been greatly exaggerated — to sell vaccines and a few other things such as digital passes. The vaccines mostly failed, and the disease became less serious (or maybe it wasn’t ever that serious, but it seems the first wave was the harshest one), so they can’t push all that anymore. So it’s “over”, even though I know of people who had “Covid” a few weeks ago.

    I think what will happen now is that they will quietly remove all tests from the market (so you won’t know if you have “Covid” or just a regular flu) and also vaccine mandates, especially for children (some European countries already removed them).

    All in all, a big #Fail (or maybe a success, from Pfizer’s and Moderna’s perspective).

    • Agree: MPJ, Allergic2katz
  75. Spanky says:
    @dimples

    The distinctive element of Mr Unz’s theory is the “release of GOF virus deliberately in China and Iran by a rogue brain-dead group of US agents in the mistaken belief that it would crush the Chinese economy and devastate the Iranian political class but not blowback to the US at all” feature. — dimples

    And the Holy Grail of biological warfare, as defined by the PNAC, are genetically targeted weapons. With such a weapon, blowback is minimized and its utility as a terror weapon (threat) is greatly enhanced, as the bar on its employment is dramatically lowered.

    As for the idea that genetically targeted bio-wonderwaffens could revive the fortunes of a waning American empire… could that be why American bio-weapons researchers have been busy collecting DNA samples world-wide?

  76. Anon[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @allergic2katz

    Awesome LOL 🤣

  77. Ron Unz says:
    @allergic2katz

    now have overwhelming, often peer-reviewed evidence that the virus began spreading undetected all over the world by fall 2019 at the very latest”; see the multiple hyperlinks in that sentence for more)

    Nope, all those claims of 2019 Covid infections in Europe or elsewhere are pretty clearly due to false-positives or other lab-errors as I explained at length in an article more than a year ago:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/#false-narratives-based-upon-false-positives

    They’ve mostly been promoted by pro-China propaganda-activists trying to argue that Covid didn’t first appear in Wuhan.

    • Replies: @Mehen
    , @Allergic2katz
    , @dimples
  78. Anon[159] • Disclaimer says:

    Hey…

    Jewz Lie, Gentiles Die.

    Total Truth, in Four Words.

  79. MPJ says:
    @obwandiyag

    Ron doesn’t care about the truth. He says he does but since he only cares about the origins of the virus and not any of the other measures world governments took to ‘combat’ the virus, he is simply disingenuous in his claim that he cares about the truth. When you ignore the elephants in the room and fixate on just one issue, your claims of integrity, honesty and truth-seeking fall flat.

    • Agree: Allergic2katz
    • Replies: @Alden
  80. @Sixth Sense

    Covid may very well have been created for the vaccine, not the other way around.

    Rest assured, that not a single high placed official has gotten anywhere near a vaccine.

    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  81. anon[102] • Disclaimer says:

    In the political world, the earliest spin on a major story often sets the tone, so ferocious attacks may have been prepared in advance for immediate use once the report appeared, attacks aimed at what people feared the report might say. However, since the report actually excluded those claims, this strategy proved highly counter-productive, probably leading millions of individuals around the world to mistakenly believe that the Covid Commission had accused America of having created the deadly virus.

    Consider the suggestion, Mr. Unz, that your analytical framework is myopic, in that optimal result of psychological warfare is the establishment of facts. This system is already working, as you note, since a journal of such low regard is instrumental in letting pleples [sic?] know what is what. Same mechanism can tomorrow convince them to forget about covid, for example. Or whatever.

    And who says, btw, shitting on America is off the table as far as the self-designated overlords of the planet are concerned?

    Sure, there is a war/smo on and lots of nobodies are dying cruel deaths on both sides, and a chosen few are making absolutely unheard of monies riding this gravy train. Just like Covid.

    You are a smart man, Ron. Puzzle me this: what offers greater opportunities for systemic fleecing of public coffers and squeezing nobody private sector at the global level? PaxAmericana or Cold War 2.0?

  82. KenH says:
    @Ron Unz

    I’m not sure I agree with that…

    Then I guess I wasn’t paying close attention. You had previously been deranked on Google for hosting politically incorrect and impermissible political viewpoints but I didn’t think it got any worse with your work on COVID alleging a possible U.S. biowarfare attack on China and Iran.

    I don’t think Sachs or those who agree with him have been punished or condemned (yet) for his allegations on the U.S. origins of COVID outside of the bellyaching in The Daily Mail.

    The Russian Defense Ministry is no doubt now promoting your claim in retaliation for U.S. support for Ukraine so they aren’t very objective. But I don’t blame them given our extremely antagonistic foreign policy towards Russia.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  83. @anastasia

    If it doesn’t occur in nature, it’s a bio-weapon. That is the reason the mutated in nature (naturally occurring) narrative is still floating around in the septic tank.

    • Replies: @R2b
  84. gay troll says:

    Why don’t you go write some more Larry Romanoff articles, Ron?

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  85. TKK says:
    @American Citizen

    I am laughing with you at your great wit…. and that is an excellent observation.

  86. Ron Unz says:
    @KenH

    Then I guess I wasn’t paying close attention. You had previously been deranked on Google for hosting politically incorrect and impermissible political viewpoints but I didn’t think it got any worse with your work on COVID alleging a possible U.S. biowarfare attack on China and Iran.

    Actually, it’s exactly the opposite…

    This website was launched at the end of 2014 and for six years we published the most utterly controversial material and writers anyone could possibly imagine, including WWII, the Holocaust, Israel and Zionism, the JFK Assassination, the USS Liberty, the 9/11 attacks, and every other possible “conspiracy theory.” We published Jared Taylor, Kevin MacDonald, and all sorts of “anti-Semites,” racialists, and White Nationalists. Indeed, I’d argue that my own American Pravda series is one of the most controversial collections found anywhere on the Internet.

    https://www.unz.com/page/american-pravda-series/

    During all those years, we never had the slightest trouble with either Facebook or Google.

    But in April 2020, I published my first article arguing that the Covid outbreak was probably due to an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran).

    https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/

    Within days our entire website was banned by Facebook and all our tens of thousands of pages were deranked by Google.

    Draw your own conclusions…

    • Thanks: Alden
    • Replies: @KenH
    , @A123
    , @geokat62
    , @Levtraro
  87. KenH says:
    @Ron Unz

    Actually, it’s exactly the opposite…

    You would know better than I but I thought the Google deranking of Unz.com started sometime during the Trump administration (but before COVID) since it, along with dozens of other sites, was deemed “disinformation/Russian disinformation” or similar outlandish claims. Google responded by deranking all sites sites so articles on Unz and these other sites were more difficult to find using their search engine.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @niceland
  88. vinteuil says:
    @Greta Handel

    The apparent need to pick out, amplify, rationalize, and flak for Establishment figures is an odd tic for a contrarian public intellectual.

    RKU a “contrarian public intellectual?” As if. On everything that really matters, like immigration, trade policy, the public health response to covid, election integrity – he’s all conventional wisdom, all the time.

    His promotion of this covid-as-bio-weapon-attack-on-china fantasy is presumably meant to discredit by association the highly credible hypothesis
    that covid accidentally escaped from a Chinese lab that was doing gain of function research with American cooperation & funding.

  89. @A123

    The term “blunder”, is 100% inconsistent with Fort Detrick as Origin. How could an accident on the U.S. East Coast reach an air terminal, cross the Pacific to a China customs city, and then further travel onwards to Wuhan — without creating infections in any intermediary locations? This is highly implausible, if not outright impossible.

    I think you have that backwards. A leak of something, they won’t say what, happened at Fort Detrick. To cover that, they came up with “vaping disease”. At that point a release in another area of the world would have been necessary to cover up the blunder. Italy has said it revisited patient samples and CT scans who presented with “an odd pneumonia” in September 2019 and found the virus. The CT scans were consistent with patients presenting with “Covid” months later. There is a lot of air traffic between Milan, where the outbreaks, occurred and China. As Larry Romanoff pointed out at the front end, a Taiwanese pharmacologist and virologist said all 5 elements of “Covid” were found in US patents. You can’t work on any patent without permission of the patent holder.
    My own theory about the Daily Mail is that Russia presented, today, documents showing the US funded labs in Ukraine were performing research and development of material contrary to the Bioweapons Convention. It is designed to discredit any reference to the 200+ US Military “research” labs world wide, along with the labs the US has subcontracted to do the work in countries like Georgia and Ukraine.

    • Replies: @A123
  90. Based on everything I’ve read, my guess is that after being created in an American lab, the virus was deliberately released in China as a bio-warfare weapon, with the wet market and lab leak sources serving as red herrings.

  91. Mehen says:
    @Ron Unz

    Nope, all those claims of 2019 Covid infections in Europe or elsewhere are pretty clearly due to false-positives or other lab-errors as I explained at length in an article more than a year ago:

    Have you ever addressed the issue of false-positives regarding the RT-PCR tests, Ron? The evidence for that is far more robust than speculations about seroprevalence antibody testing.

    • Agree: allergic2katz
  92. @A123

    The simplest way both of these statements can be true is WIV did it, and Elite U.S. Universities helped. I suggest Sachs is *being cagey* because he does not want to offend his peers by openly blaming WIV.

    Why would Sachs blame China while pointing his finger at the U.S.? As an American scholar, Is Sachs really warier about offending his Chinese peers than his American peers? You narrative sounds rather convoluted to me.

    • Replies: @A123
  93. Alden says:
    @emerging majority

    Don’t forget the astounding 42 percent rise in miscarriages by vaccinated mothers. And no rise in miscarriages by unvaccinated mothers.

    As far as these deaths of 15 to 35 year old athletes it’s horrendous . And the cause is the long blood clots in their veins and arteries. Clogged arteries, the blood can’t flow, and death ensues. There must have been a fair number of military deaths too.

    And every Dr and nurse on earth knows the cardiovascular system. But they couldn’t do a thing to stop the death vaccines.

  94. Alden says:
    @MPJ

    One person, one institute, or research center, not even the national health of one country can investigate and expose the truth about covid and how governments, businesses medicine transportation and education all over the world reacted.

    Ron prefers to concentrate on its origins and who spread covid around the world. So congratulations to Ron for what he’s done and I’m sure will continue doing.

  95. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    But in April 2020, I published my first article arguing that the Covid outbreak was probably due to an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran).

    Within days our entire website was banned by Facebook and all our tens of thousands of pages were deranked by Google.

    Q: How quickly do large companies make decisions?
    A: SLOWLY

    There might be a quick & temporary snag with Facebook algorithms. However, anything via Google would have plodded around with lengthy lead time.

    Draw your own conclusions…

    The straightforward conclusion is that the decision to de-rank and exclude was made BEFORE your COVID-19 accusation went to press.
    ___

    Also consider this:
        • Facebook is run Leftoids
        • Google is run by deranged #NeverTrump extremists

    Stating that the Trump Administration was linked to the coronavirus fiasco would cause you to be upranked and promoted by this Gruesome Twosome of Censorship.

    Again this suggests that the exclusion and down rating was fait accompli before your article ran.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  96. @Ron Unz

    “The likely prevalence of false-positives also undermines the credibility of the other studies, which allegedly detected the virus in France, Brazil, Italy, and parts of the U.S. by November or December of 2019.”

    If a “likely prevalence of false positives” is sufficient to undermine credibility, this kind of pokes a hole in those “one million Americans dead from Covid” claims.

    Then again, this isn’t about honest inquiry; it’s pure confirmation bias in service of a pet theory/hypothesis (one that rightly has few adherents).

  97. A123 says: • Website
    @last straw

    The simplest way both of these statements can be true is WIV did it, and Elite U.S. Universities helped. I suggest Sachs is *being cagey* because he does not want to offend his peers by openly blaming WIV.

    Why would Sachs blame China while pointing his finger at the U.S.? As an American scholar, Is Sachs really warier about offending his Chinese peers than his American peers? You narrative sounds rather convoluted to me.

    You are not following the framework I am proposing.

    There is a single group of his combined Chinese/American peers. This includes academia linked to coronavirus research in Wuhan. Thus, Sachs cannot explicitly finger WIV with out also smearing Elite Leftoid Universities in America.

    Sachs is clearly laying out an evidence trail that leads to a source in Wuhan. He just cannot make that explicit. If you do not believe that, answer this simple question.

    How could a “Blunder” (Sachs precise word) cross from a U.S. laboratory and have Patient Zero in Wuhan without contaminating any locations in between?

    PEACE 😇

  98. Cook says:

    Many may have seen the Lancet article but what are they to do?

    They could talk with their workmates but they most probably are Somali or Arab and have English as a second language…or are culturally trapped in a way of thinking.

    Talk to the family, discuss the matter?

    If your child isn’t strapped in front of a screen or hasn’t been destroyed at school maybe, or the wife isn’t exhausted from working like yourself?

    What about friends?

    They could of swallowed the lie hook line and sinker and to bring the issue up could mean you are suddenly friendless -nobody likes been thought gullible.

    So what do you do?

    You can come to forums like this and vent your spleen but be totally ignored by greater society.

    What the Scamdemic has unveiled is the successful way in which the “elite” have atomized the society and reprogrammed the majority into a “group think” of lies.

    Soon I suspect there will be “delousing” factories popping-up that people will troop-too like Wuhan flu testing stations never to be seen again!

  99. geokat62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    This website was launched at the end of 2014…

    How is that my comment archive has comments from Jan 2014 and other commenters from even earlier?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  100. “Meanwhile, the British Lancet is located at the opposite end of the spectrum of respectability, being one of the world’s most prestigious and authoritative medical journals, as sober and responsible as any publication in existence.”

    Is the Lancet or any other medical journal “prestigious” because it has a lot of “prestigious” names that claim it is, or actually because it really has earned that credit?

    After this covid fraud, the second biggest fraud that has ever been foisted on mankind (we all know what the first is), can we really trust any of the top most prestigious names in medicine ever again, when 99 percent of them went along with the narrative unquestioningly? That 99% have forever lost my trust in their credibility and I’m sure that those thoughts are shared by millions around the world.

    Having said this, I don’t doubt that the virus or whatever it is and the research that created it originated in the US,(with some or the majority of the research unwittingly? being done in China), because the first two countries that were hit (China and Iran) were at that time the two countries that the US government considered to be the worst enemies of the US. The fact that it hit other friendly countries like Italy was probably considered to be collateral damage. What might of been unexpected is how it came to the US and hit harder than any other nation. I’ve often wondered if the Chinese were ready for the biological warfare attack on them and re-engineered it to affect Caucasians and releasing it in the US in retaliation. The US was obviously not ready for it as can be seen in their haphhazard approach to protecting their population. It seems as if big pharma came out with “vaccines” in the fraction of the time that normal vaccines are created. This tells me that either big pharma created the shots quite a while before, or they just saw that enormous profits were to be made with the cooperation of crooked politicians and just threw a bunch of chemicals together with a damn the torpedoes attitude upon releasing them.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  101. profnasty says:
    @JohnnyUinta

    If VP Biden said it will never rain again, I’d buy a boat.
    There never was a Covid epidemic.

  102. Anon[309] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Meanwhile, you’re just an eccentric anti-vaxxer who hangs out on this website because you’ve probably been banned everywhere else.

    Gee, Ron. It’s almost like you approve of censorship.

    • Agree: Greta Handel
  103. Well, the guilty party essentially revealed the fact of its guilt by blurting out those accusations against Lancet. As Russian proverb puts it, “a fool says what a smart person only thinks”.

  104. As for this and a lot of other strange things, only one thing is certain: that one needs the patience of a peasant. Great revelations still seem out of reach for now. I try to take into account all plausible theory, the same as I embrace the full spectrum of human experience. I wait for the chance to be able to prove myself right in some way.

  105. @Ron Unz

    As you knowcI prefer to throw up more questions than plumping for my or anyone’s first brilliant insight and mention of the games prompts a few.

    Who might have wanted to release a virus so that athletes from around the world caught it? Why, and on what assumptions about the virus? Was there a national team which left Wuhan early? Also, as previously raised by someone on UR, were there peculiarities about arrangements for spectators? Now here’s a ot tat had just crossed what I am assuming is my mind. Some bright young American and Chinese bio scientists with good financial connections got together with Big Phatma to try out an early stage GoF virus on a multi ethnic group, responsibly chosen to be fit young athletes who would be most unlikely to suffer badly…

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  106. Lancet had its reputation damaged by the entirely fraudulent ‘Surgisphere’ attack on hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for CoViD19. And very early on in the pandemic, when the artificial nature of the SARS CoV2 virus was noted, one figure explained his opposition to that hypothesis as being to prevent the ‘..opening of a can of worms’.
    The deliberate nature of this bio-warfare attack was obvious to anyone with any knowledge of the ways and means of the Yankee Reich, its fanatical, racialist, hatred of China, and the nature of its ruling psychos like Pompeo. And it had been well prepared, with a few years of phony ‘background’ concocted, like the claims that the WIV was a ramshackle operation (what else to you expect from ‘Asiatics’ and ‘ carmnists’?)peddled by US diplo-thugs, then the usual Western MSM lie frenzy was mobilised, until it was claimed that the Evil CCP deliberately infected its own people, in a truly Orwellian, but typical, inversion of the facts.
    However, now that we know that the mRNA injections are exquisitely and, no doubt, cumulatively, poisonous, and that the SARS CoV2 spike protein is running amok in those transfected courtesy of Pfizer and Moderna, the whole operation seems even more sinister and wicked. I really think that the ‘American Way’ has reached some sort of apotheosis.

  107. @Joe Paluka

    Have you or anyone on this thread – Ron would be best – and asked the author of the Daily Mail rant about it? Specifically about the apparent errors? I know UR threadsters tend to be remarkably inept about such matters and ignorant of the ways of journalists, but it shouldn’t be beyond all of them. Indeed, why not Ron?

  108. @A123

    As usual this racist, Sinophobe, Zionazi troll spews its hatred of China, never varying in its Talmudic intensity. Luckily less insane and wicked Jews are prepared to work with China, not to destroy it. After all, even Yahweh would think twice before attempting a New Purim or New Passover or New Kitos War against 1.4 billion people. But living in, by and for hatred does very nasty things to the mind, soul and psyche, and this troll suffers more than most.

  109. @Carroll Price

    Precisely! Did you know of the scandal in Spain where at least 2000 elite members of politics, sport, business etc, paid to be injected with saline rather than ANY ‘vaccine’? That was quickly Memory Holed, but I would bet that it was just the tip of a trans-national iceberg.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  110. anon[302] • Disclaimer says:

    The thing which always bugged me about America targeting China with a virus like Covid is that Wuhan is a very large international trade center with hundreds of flights coming and going to every major city on every continent except Antarctica. Any even half-assed intelligence agency would have known that. All you have to do is look up Wuhan on any decent search engine, do a little digging, to learn that.
    Which brings the question: If it were a targeted operation, who exactly was targeted from the very beginning? Maybe all of us. Think Thalidomide, think hundreds of other drugs visited on humanity by totally evil big pharma, like Vioxx, like Oxycontin, like many other psychotropic drugs which ruined many people’s lives, and on and on going back to the beginning of ‘snake oil’ companies. Basic premise: advertise your drug as a cure for depression (or whatever new neurosis your friends the psychiatrists come up with to make you afraid for your sanity), make it mind numbing and addictive and voila! You have a new slave market, sort of like Scientology but with actual addictive drugs. And I am not against Scientology as I went in there one time for the express purpose of taking a course they were offering about how to de-escalate tense, prone to violence situations. Good course, worked fairly well, common sense kinda stuff. The rest of the horse feathers I had no trouble disbelieving and walked away clean. I imagine that if one is prescribed an addictive course of drugs it would be much harder to walk away from.
    Did some pharma companies have advance info on this virus? Enough to cobble together some pretty worthless drugs to sell and make billions on? Who owns those companies? Where did they get their inside information from? In short – Qui Bono?

    • Replies: @Ben the Layabout
  111. @A123

    Maybe a trivial point but I don’t think those who might be upset are “peers” of the famous Sachs.

    If Sachs were taxed with Ron’s theory I guess his response might be “yes I’m aware of that flight if imagination by a clever cranky chap who I wouldn’t deny the right to the audience he has earned – and outsiders come home in the classics sometimes – but I’m concerned about a positively proven scandal placed right under my nose by a lot of scientists and others on the US government’s payroll lying to me and concealing what they had done”.

    • Agree: Ben the Layabout
    • Replies: @A123
  112. A123 says: • Website
    @Curmudgeon

    all 5 elements of “Covid” were found in US patents. You can’t work on any patent without permission of the patent holder.

    This is the CCP we are talking about. They steal American IP everyday via their Espionage Confucius Institutes.

    The fact that there were publicly available patents, greatly strengthens the WIV as Origin case.

    It is designed to discredit any reference to the 200+ US Military “research” labs world wide,

    Accusing a U.S. Academic funded institution discredits a comparably military funded instiution?

    That makes no sense at all.
    ____

    Was there a Fort Detrick problem in 2017-18? Possibly.

    However, even if true, EVALI has nothing to do with the WUHAN-19 virus that exited a CCP lab in Wuhan during Nov or Oct 2019.

    — The geography does not work.
    — The timing doesn’t work.
    Fuggedaboutit!

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  113. Anonymous[163] • Disclaimer says:

    good question, skrik 57! The great thing about universal jurisdiction is that any country in the world can prosecute them. Russia could scoop them up at their convenience and hang them high. China could issue a red notice.

    CIA ratfuckers periodically get locked up for trademark CIA universal-jurisdiction crimes, or get their assets seized. When puny little countries do it, the perps usually get to sneak home. When allied nuclear armed great powers enjoying missile gaps and escalation dominance do it… we shall see.

  114. Ron Unz says:
    @geokat62

    How is that my comment archive has comments from Jan 2014 and other commenters from even earlier?

    We’ve imported numerous articles and blogposts from other websites, including all their comments.

    • Thanks: geokat62
    • Replies: @Random Anonymous
  115. A123 says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    Maybe a trivial point but I don’t think those who might be upset are “peers” of the famous Sachs.

    Hmm….. Would you like to offer up your definition of “peers”?

    For me this is close enough to be “peer” — Sachs is at Columbia University. The most notorious connection to WIV runs through Research Triangle in North Carolina. Yes, UNC not Duke. However, UNC is highly credible as a STEM research institution.

    Throwing UNC to the … Ahem… Wolfpack [MORE]… Could easily spread in undesirable directions.

    PEACE 😇

    [MORE]

     

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  116. Thomm says:
    @lavoisier

    It is one thing to claim the virus was created by America, it is a much bigger step to claim that it was likely a biowarfare attack against China and Iran.

    Which is why virtually no one outside of a few commenters (about six) on this website believe this. I presented Ron Unz’s main links on a regular Republican website, and the uproarious guffawing that occurred over there regarding the quality of the research was truly epic.

    Remember what the true purpose of this website actually is.

    • Troll: Olivier1973
    • Replies: @lavoisier
  117. @JohnnyUinta

    Why is that interesting? Joe Biden is a potato who says whatever he is told to say. Of course they want to put it behind them now that the origin question is hitting the MSM and the vaccines are being revealed as the toxins they always were known to be (to those who produced them).

    • Replies: @JohnnyUinta
  118. Ron Unz says:
    @KenH

    You would know better than I but I thought the Google deranking of Unz.com started sometime during the Trump administration (but before COVID) since it, along with dozens of other sites, was deemed “disinformation/Russian disinformation” or similar outlandish claims. Google responded by deranking all sites sites so articles on Unz and these other sites were more difficult to find using their search engine.

    Absolutely not. It sounds like you really haven’t read almost any of my writings since I’ve been bitterly complaining about the Facebook/Google purge for more than two years, mentioning it in at least 15-20 of my articles and columns.

    The ADL is probably the most widely feared organization in America, and after publishing my first wave of American Pravda articles, they criticized me, so I blasted them right back:

    Given the fearsome reputation of the ADL and its notorious hair-trigger activists, there was a widespread belief that my small webzine would be completely annihilated when I first launched my recent series of controversial articles in early June by praising the works of historian David Irving, a figure long demonized by the ADL. Yet absolutely nothing happened.

    During the next three months my subsequent articles directly challenged nearly every hot-button issue normally so fiercely defended by the ADL and its lackeys, so much so that a friendly journalist soon described me as the “Kamikaze from California.”…

    Those glaring flaws aside, most of the ADL’s remaining catalogue of my numerous heretical positions seemed reasonably accurate, though obviously presented in a somewhat hostile and derogatory fashion and sorely lacking any links to my original pieces. But even this desultory listing of my mortal transgressions was woefully incomplete, with the ADL strangely failing to include mention of some of my most controversial claims.

    For example, the authors excluded all reference to my discussion of the thoroughly documented Nazi-Zionist economic partnership of the 1930s, which played such a crucial role in laying the basis for the State of Israel. And the ADL similarly avoided mentioning the nearly 20,000 words I had allocated to discussing the very considerable evidence that the Israeli Mossad had played a central role in both the JFK Assassination and the 9/11 Attacks. Surely this must be one of the few times that the ADL has deliberately avoided leveling the charge of “conspiracy theorist” against an opponent whom they might have so easily slurred in that fashion. Perhaps they felt the evidence I provided was simply too strong for them to effectively challenge.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-adl-in-american-society/

    That was in October 2018 and despite the ADL’s presumed displeasure, we had absolutely no problems with either Facebook or Google for the next 18 months. Some of my own articles remained at the absolute top of Google searches that returned 150 million results.

    Then in April 2020 I published my first article arguing that the Covid outbreak had probably been an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran), and it began to get enormous traffic, more than anything I’d written in many, many years, possibly going super-viral. Days later we were banned from Facebook and entirely deranked by Google. Maybe it was just a total coincidence…

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/record-breaking-traffic-despite-our-purge-from-google-and-facebook/

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @KenH
  119. lysias says:

    Besides playing a crucial role in laying the basis for the State of Israel, the Nazi-Zionist economic partnership of the 1930s also played a crucial role in consolidating Nazi rule in Germany, Without that partnership, the Nazi government might well have collapsed in 1933 or 1934 as a result of economic problems.

  120. Ron Unz says:
    @A123

    There might be a quick & temporary snag with Facebook algorithms. However, anything via Google would have plodded around with lengthy lead time…

    The straightforward conclusion is that the decision to de-rank and exclude was made BEFORE your COVID-19 accusation went to press.

    Well, anything’s possible. But after six years of publishing some of the most utterly controversial articles found anywhere on the Internet, we’d never had any problems with either Facebook or Google.

    https://www.unz.com/page/american-pravda-series/

    Then just days after I published my first Covid article, BOTH Facebook and Google “cancelled” us. Maybe it was just a total coincidence…

    Here’s another coincidence. Over the last few years, RFK Jr. has become an enormously controversial figure for his ferocious attacks against Fauci and vaxxing, and his website has published thousands of articles on those subjects without any problems.

    But the day before he released his interview with Prof. Jeffrey Sachs, chairman of the Covid Commission, who told him that Covid had been bioengineered and there was an American cover-up going on, Facebook and Instagram suddenly banned his website.

    There seem to be huge numbers of coincidences associated with anyone investigating Covid’s true origins…

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @A123
  121. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Who might have wanted to release a virus so that athletes from around the world caught it?

    As usual, you’re totally confused. There’s absolutely ZERO evidence that the virus was released at the Wuhan Games, infecting the participants, and a great deal of evidence that it wasn’t.

    Among other things, the authoritative Pekar study virtually rules out the timing.

    You’re better off actually reading the scenario I’ve proposed rather than just wandering around in a fog.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  122. geokat62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    The ADL is probably the most widely feared organization in America…

    While this is undoubtedly true, there is one man in America that has absolutely no fear of the ADL or its (in)glorious leader.

    Three letters that strike anger and fear in the heart of Jonathan Greenblatt and the ADL, the GDL…

    Jon Minadeo Jr (leader of GDL), pictured right, and a man identified as ‘Aryan Bacon’ or Robert Wilson, holding “anti-Semitic” banners outside the Nazi death camp Auschwitz

    P.S. for those having difficulty reading the banner he’s holding, I suggest you zoom in a bit for a closer look.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  123. A123 says: • Website

    But the day before he released his interview with Prof. Jeffrey Sachs, chairman of the Covid Commission, who told him that Covid had been bioengineered and there was an American cover-up going on, Facebook and Instagram suddenly banned his website.

    There seem to be huge numbers of coincidences associated with anyone investigating Covid’s true origins…

    Hmmmm…..

    • RFKjr has been outspoken about WIV as the laboratory source.
    • You have been pushing 100% no China involvement as source.

    Thus, you suggest that “WUHAN-19 from any lab” is the reason for canceling. This does not add anything to your highly cumbersome and implausible Fort Detrick as Source scenario. If anything, it strengthens my WIV as Origin case.

    Crushing all lab theories, to drive the “Natural Zoonosis in Wuhan” case, would be the obvious Step #1 in defending WIV in Wuhan. Perhaps the CCP and Sinophiles at Google & Facebook are all working together?

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  124. @Ron Unz

    My short point remains. You leap too soon.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  125. @Ron Unz

    The attacks on Sachs bring to mind the Trojan warning:Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.

    The revised version is “Beware of Jews bearing truth.”

    Questioning a man’s integrity without proof is malicious and never advances a discussion.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  126. @Ron Unz

    But you don’t deny that in your case ADL and allies would have been slalking you, looking for a chance to have you cancelled without it being blamed on Jews as Jews? And then [speculation] there was an apparent precedent…

  127. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    The very rare, spontaneous de-threading bug strikes again.

    Post #124 should have been a reply to #121.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-wicked-flee-when-no-man-pursueth/#comment-5555127

    PEACE 😇

  128. @bj0311

    I tend to believe that there was a novel virus. However if you’re correct then we’re even more fukt than we thought because that probably would mean that the Chinese, Iranian and US governments are colluding against all of their citizens.

  129. @geokat62

    Thanks so much, George!

    Had Sachs the courage of conviction of Johnathan Greenblatt, oh what a blow to ZOG that would be.

  130. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    My short point remains. You leap too soon.

    Isn’t it about time for you to get back to your favored activity of promoting those theories that both JFK and RFK were accidentally shot and killed by their own bodyguards?

    • LOL: H. L. M
    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Lysias
    , @Wizard of Oz
  131. Voltara says:

    Interesting how Ron’s alleged revelations largely support the official narrative while questioning only a single part of it.

  132. @xyz234

    This is where Ron Unz is dishonest because his own framing of the story totally unto the relation that the American and Chinese authorities are involved conjointly glued together by their satanic billionaire overlords. The Chinese lab in Wuhan is under the authority of the Chinese military. And so, how could it be an exclusively American attack on the Chinese? That is totally absurd. The virus created from a lab that can be proven by Francis Boyd and the virologist Michael Yeadon. The only real question is wether or not it was intentional. Are we supposed to believe that there is a bio-weapons research level lab in Wuhan and it didn’t come from there?

  133. Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever debunked the first guy in this linked video who talks in 2010 about a plan hatched by the City of London that sounds a lot like the good ole scamdemic?

    I know this sounds unserious to most of you. Nobody mentions Event 201 anymore or the video of Fauci in 2017 saying in a very confident manner that Trump would face exactly the situation that occurred over 2 years later. Circumstantial evidence is just that but enough of it wins a case in court.

  134. @New Dealer

    if there was a lab leak in america, doesn’t it follow there may’ve been cases much earlier than officially recorded? a lab leak without any consequences to the community @ large—doesn’t that seem as improbable as those claiming the introduction had to come after wuhan?

  135. Lysias says:
    @Ron Unz

    JFK may not have been shot by bodyguards, but there is plenty of evidence that failures of the Secret Service contributed to the success of the assassination. Plenty of witnesses testified that JFK’s limousine either greatly slowed down or came to a brief complete stop after shooting started, which presumably greatly facilitated the success of the fatal kill shot. JFK’s driver, William Greer, it later came out, was a Protestant from Ulster (County Tyrone) who had belonged to the Orange Order before he emigrated from Ulster to America.

    • Thanks: Ron Unz
  136. BlackFlag says:
    @dimples

    In the interview with Kennedy, Sachs seems to strongly hint that the virus was created not just in a regular US lab but in one involved in bio warfare research. He cites the anatomy and function of the virus and also the misdirection and hiding of information by highly connected US officials.

    Why would US biowarfare labs share their weapon tech with China? The only explanation would be that it was stolen.

    Hypo 1: Probability of US virus stolen/bought times probability of it accidentally leaked. In this case it’s unlikely to have been leaked from the Wuhan lab cause that lab was too public to house agents of bio warfare.

    Hypo 2: Probability of US bio attack.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @A123
    , @Ron Unz
  137. The Lancet is a reputable journal? Oh, but I beg to differ. Allow me to disabuse anyone that it (and other prestigious journals) are above reproach. Beyond the well known problems of junk science, here we are discussing willful publication of false or misleading information. Whether this was done voluntarily or under duress remains up for discussion.

    Exhibit A: In his book “The Real Anthony Fauci”, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. details at least a couple escapades involving The Lancet.

    From FOIA obtained emails, it was learned that in very early 2020, one of his researchers had emailed Fauci that the new virus had evidence of artificial origin. Fauci hastily convened meetings and (presumably) threatened, coerced and otherwise convinced various personnel to write editorials that appeared in Nature and The Lancet in February and March respectively. These editorials assured the world “that the lab leak hypothesis was a ‘crackpot’ conspiracy.” (chapter 9).

    Exhibit B: Lancetgate

    Elsewhere RFK Jr. writes:

    “Lancetgate
    It remains an enduring mystery just which powerful figure(s) caused the world’s two most prestigious scientific journals, The Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM), to publish overtly fraudulent studies from a nonexistent database owned by a previously unknown company….”

    The study was so obviously fraudulent that a firestorm of criticism erupted, even receiving criticism from other mainstream media.

    “Both The Lancet and NEJM finally withdrew their studies in shame. Somebody at the very pinnacle of the medical cartel had twisted arms, kicked groins, and stoved in kneecaps to force these periodicals to abandon their policies, shred their ethics, and spend down their centuries of hard-won credibility in a desperate bid to torpedo HCQ. To date, neither the authors nor the journals have explained who induced them to coauthor and publish the most momentous fraud in the history of scientific publishing.” (II: Killing Hydroxychloroquine)

    Even allowing for a bit of hyperbole, he has a point. The studies and retractions are available online.

    Exhibit C:

    Prof. Jeffrey Sachs chaired the Lancet commission on Covid-19 for two years. This very article discusses some of Prof. Sachs’s doubts. I didn’t see mention here, but he is quoted in other articles (perhaps including at Unz) that other members of the commission stonewalled or misled him from the outset.

    I think I’ve made a pretty good case that The Lancet is not exactly “one of the world’s most prestigious and authoritative medical journals” as Unz would have us believe.

    • Thanks: Mehen
    • Replies: @thotmonger
  138. geokat62 says:
    @BlackFlag

    Why would US biowarfare labs share their weapon tech with China?

    Good question? I have a question, too. Why would America offshore virtually all of their manufacturing plants and jobs to China?

    • Replies: @BlackFlag
  139. @Ron Unz

    Interesting. Is there a list of those sites and blogs anywhere? And/or is that info shown in those comments?

  140. @Old Brown Fool

    For those interested in possible “proof” of its artificial origins, here’s a blog to peruse. I have no opinion on the reliability of the information there.

    https://arkmedic.substack.com/

    • Thanks: skrik
  141. A123 says: • Website
    @BlackFlag

    In the interview with Kennedy, Sachs seems to strongly hint that the virus was created not just in a regular US lab but in one involved in bio warfare research.

    100% factually inaccurate.

    Sachs uses the precise verbiage “U.S. lab biotechnology”. He could have explicitly stated Fort Detrick, but he did not. It should be obvious to smart, honest investigators that the are two separate issues:

        • IP & Technology
        • Laboratory Origin

    Why would US biowarfare labs share their weapon tech with China

    There is 0% evidence of US biowarfare labs. Sachs provides 100% evidence of Academic tech sharing: (1)

    A broad spectrum of coronavirus research work was done not only in Wuhan (including groups at Wuhan University and the Wuhan CDC, as well as WIV) but also in the United States. The exact details of the fieldwork and laboratory work of the EHA-WIV-UNC partnership

    Hypo 100% Proven: Wuhan is undeniably the source.

    How did the CCP lose control of the WUHAN-19 virus?

    — Was it a CCP accident?
    — Was CCP security inadequate to prevent petty theft?
    — Did CCP conspirators release the virus from WIV intentionally

    Regardless of why the CCP shafted the world (unintentionally or intentionally) the U.S. reaction is obvious:

        • Repudiation of NeoConDemocrats, including Not-The-President Biden.
        • MAGA Reindustrialization decoupling from China
        • U.S. natural resources (e.g. rare earth elements?) 100% CCP free.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2202769119

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @BlackFlag
    , @Olivier1973
  142. niceland says:
    @KenH

    I was following Ron’s American Pravda series a while back. Reading his highly controversial take on many issues. From the TWA800 catastrophe to American prisoners of war left behind in Vietnam onward to his take on WW2 , leading up to his most controversial article – “Holocaust Denial”. This isn’t easy stuff to digest and to say H.D is highly controversial is understatement.

    I have been member of local unanimous forums here in Iceland for years, and there I posted translated excerpts from his articles. With few exceptions, receiving mostly negative feedback, attacks and ridicule. It peaked with my take on the “Holocaust Denial”

    Looking back I wonder what could be more controversial than claiming the Holocaust is way overblown and perhaps it didn’t happen the way we have been told! I tell ya, the feedback I received from posting excerpts from that article wasn’t pretty – but I wasn’t surprised…

    One day a message was posted in this local forum of mine, claiming it was no longer found in Google search! Few days prior I had read announcement from Ron the Unz Review was no longer to be found on Google. So it seems when Goggle diapered the Unz Review it did the same to my local forums, running for over 15 years uninterrupted!? I suspect my local forums was “collateral damage” — hosing many links to the Unz Review posted by ours truly.

    I can only guess but it seems to me the links I posted to the Unz Review on my local forums led to the ban – it’s no longer to be found on Google. And all this happens after Ron publishes article covid might be U.S. bio-weapon.

    From my point of view: “The powers that be” could tolerate highly controversial views about TWA 800, the WW2, the holocaust not being real but when it came to the origins covid being American bio-weapon they had enough.

    Sadly I think Ron is correct about the reason the U.R being blacklisted by Google.

    • Disagree: thotmonger
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  143. Ron Unz says:
    @BlackFlag

    Why would US biowarfare labs share their weapon tech with China?

    Let’s just consider how totally ridiculous and implausible the Wuhan lab-leak scenario actually is:

    (1) Daszak’s EcoHealth Alliance was primarily funded by the Pentagon, and Prof. Sachs has suggested it was probably an Intelligence operation, using the lure of grants to gain access to the Wuhan lab and other biolabs around the world and keep tabs on them.

    (2) So we have a Pentagon-funded Intelligence operation that was allegedly encouraging and assisting the Chinese to produce dangerous bioengineered viruses.

    (3) Then one of those dangerous viruses suddenly and accidentally leaked out into one of China’s largest cities just before the Lunar New Year travels so that it seemed likely to infect the entire country and deal a devastating blow to China’s economy and society. Oops!

    (4) Immediately afterward, the same Wuhan virus suddenly jumped 3,500 miles to hit the Iranian leadership in the Holy City of Qom just after American had assassinated Iran’s top military commander. Double Oops!

    (5) According to Sachs, there’s been a massive, coordinated cover-up of the true nature and origins of the virus by large numbers of scientists who are dependent upon American government funding, with the cover-up beginning under the Trump Administration. Presumably, the Trump people loved the PRC government so much they wanted to protect the PRC from the embarrassment of having created the virus that has killed more than a million Americans.

    I think anyone who believes this scenario is exceptionally gullible.

    • Agree: Carroll price
    • Disagree: Ben the Layabout
    • Replies: @BlackFlag
    , @David B
  144. @A123

    Something a bit more like this than “co-worker”

    “A peer is an individual who shares a similar status or background, such as education, skill set or age, or colleagues who share the same salary and work responsibilities”.

    Sachs may have hoped to find himself primus inter pares but bee disappointed to find that they weren’t pares

  145. I hope Professor Sachs is avoiding flying.

  146. BlackFlag says:
    @A123

    I suggest you re-listen to the interview. Here are some relevant highlights.

    28 min: Sachs talks about how there was a large research program on exactly the tech found in COVID done by NIAID which is under NIH and was headed by Fauci.

    32 min: Kennedy talks about transfers of techniques from American to Chinese researchers. Sachs interrupts him to say that we don’t know what was done cause NIAID is DOD and involved in biodefense and everything is classified.

    They later go into more detail explaining how the NIAID is involved in the development of bioweaponry. Sachs says that the bioweaponry program became the biggest part of NIH.

    Sachs talks about how papers were written 15 years ago looking at the SARS-COV virus as a potential agent for biowarfare.

    Sachs tells how one of the people who was hugely attacking him for “unscientific theories” was a recipient of an NIH grant to do exactly the same bioweapons research using SARS-COV.

    48 min: Kennedy talks about how an intelligence office shut down another investigation into origns of COVID.

    51 min: Sachs tells how he founds out that the former head of MI5 inexplicably became head of another affiliated health dept, I assume a British one.

    52 min: Sach summarizes: So obviously there is an intelligence community part involved in this in some way or another in shutting down the discussions or worse that we haven’t heard about. The parsimonious explanation for the virus is not being looked into…we are being told to not look in that diretion and there’s a lot more to uncover.

  147. @niceland

    I’m not sure you are quite right. It may be unimportant but I am not sure that you know the limited extent of blacklisting of UR by Google. If you want Google to find UR you include “unz.com” in the search. I am not sure if that totally cancels the cancellation and also don’t know if that was what was done in relation to your local site????.

    While I don’t suppose the ADL has been stalking you I suspect that, if it was responsible for the Google ⁿcensorship of UR it might have been able I to use the opportunity to stitch up minor offenders on its list

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  148. BlackFlag says:
    @Ron Unz

    It doesn’t make sense that the US intelligence community and scientists would carry out a big cover up, if all that happened was that Chinese scientists independently created viruses using techniques which they learned from US colleagues.

    To merit such a cover-up SARS-COV must have been created in a US lab and given to the Chinese by a rogue agent or, as Sachs says, worse….

  149. @BlackFlag

    Yes, interesting.But Ron would like you to find any reason for believing that Ron’s theory forms any part of Sachs’s belief or motivation – beyond “yeah, yeah, anything possible but if I thought I might turn up anything do devastating I would want to have built a thoroughly air-conditioned bomb shelter first”.

  150. @Ron Unz

    Is your memory failing you? I have repeated several times my refutation of your version of my position on those old allegations (one apparently true according to another Commenter’s detailed account) .

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  151. @Jim Richard

    Why?

    Unleashing Covid was a major leg in the global “Great Reset”. It’s been long in the planning and very serious in intent. Uber creep Klaus Schwab had a book all ready to publish about it just a few months after Covid was thrust on humanity.

    If you know anything about book publishing, it’s a long lead time business. Usually it’s a couple of years, minimum, to write a book, get it edited, ready to be printed and a marketing plan devised. Followed by – printing, shipping to warehouses, then shipping on to book retailers takes another few months.

    The book had a pub date of July 9, 2020 and I recall Schwab first yapping about it in late Apr or early May. I started laughing as it was a dead giveaway that it had been written looooong before 2020.

    The Coof campaign has been very much globally coordinated and is in line with many other NWO goals and intentions. That is the WHY of engineered bioweapon, Covid-19 and the toxic “vaccines”.

    • Replies: @MPJ
  152. @24th Alabama

    I take the opportunity to fix the correct version in my mind of your slightly misquoted slur on the Greeks by Virgil.

    TIMEO DANAOS ET [SIC] DONA FERENTES

    The ET (“and” normally) makes it “I fear the Greeks even when bearing gifts”.

    I used to remember this as my example of the dactyllic hexameter.

  153. @Anon

    Very nice to see Ron find something utilitarian in the bible! Very appropriate quote:
    “The Wicked Flee When No Man Pursueth”

    The guilty — or complicit — may also just sit there and do their level best to ignore smoking gun evidence put right under their nose. This is a more accurate characterization of this series whose author has yet to make known his position on the right to informed consent.

    As for the Lancet Covid 19 Commission Report, how could this be part of the executive summary:

    Epidemic control was seriously hindered by substantial public opposition to routine public health and social measures, such as the wearing of properly fitting face masks and getting vaccinated.

    Since vaccines were NOT effective as promised, as we witnessed in ultra vaccinated Israel etc. etc. experiencing ridiculous levels of breakthrough cases, it is patently false to say “opposition to vaccination” was a hindrance to epidemic control. That is a lie.

    We cannot assign such a false statement to ignorance. This report is rife with fraud.

  154. @A123

    Repeating time and again that the Wuhan lab is the source of the virus proves only one thing: you have no evidence.

    Just words and you are making a fool of yourself.

    Moreover US military biological laboratories are quite well documented in Ukraine, Georgia and several other countries.

    • Replies: @A123
  155. @Jefferson Temple

    It’s interesting because I’m sure he wasn’t supposed to say it.
    When he goes off script it weakens what (((they))) are trying to ‘still do’ with the COVID-Con. Induce fear and control of the sheep.

    • Agree: Jefferson Temple
  156. 迪路 says:
    @Sean

    To be honest, I think Chinese scientists are mostly stupid in being hostile to others. They always believed that the so-called rescue of the virus could be used to save humanity and make great anti-HIV drugs. However, despite the fact that SARS was a totally proven biological warfare against the Chinese, it was never a question of what Baric was collecting viral genes for.
    They thought that the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill represented the pinnacle of virology, and that they should hand over the bat viruses to serve Baric.
    This mentality is stupid and ignorant.

    • Replies: @Sean
  157. @Ben the Layabout

    Elsewhere RFK Jr. writes:
    “Lancetgate
    It remains an enduring mystery just which powerful figure(s) caused the world’s two most prestigious scientific journals, The Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM), to publish overtly fraudulent studies from a nonexistent database…”

    Correct. And WHERE in the Lancet Covid 19 Commission report do they discuss Lancetgate? It escaped my notice. Instead, in their section on “Disinformation in the media” they write humdingers like this:

    In the United States, the political far-right has promoted anti-science rhetoric, as shown by their opposition to COVID-19 vaccines and anti-COVID-19 prevention measures.

    Really? Why do they not discuss The Great Barrington Declaration? Or why do they not discuss the Sweden experience? Why do they not get into the systemic failures of not encouraging out-patient care? Why do they fail to discuss the huge levels of vaccine failure (breakthrough cases) as well as the tsunami of harm from these experimental products? And why do they not even take a position on the right to informed consent and instead recommend “strengthening of multilateralism”?

    Considering this raft of omissions, the question of origins is a red herring.

  158. @Ron Unz

    Excuse me, but any ten minutes from this documentary from Spain bears more fruit than any ten thousand words in this UR series. Watch it and weep for the truth.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  159. @BlackFlag

    A waste of breath-the Zionazi troll is interested ONLY in venting its loathsome hatred of the Chinese.

  160. @Wizard of Oz

    The old Wizz is rapidly degenerating into a pathetic denialist troll. The simple act of Googling provides info, no doubt despite a cover-up operation, of what was called Operation Jenner (googling under Operation Jenner Spain provides a surfeit of information), involving 2200 Spanish elites, including the head of Spain’s largest BigPharma operation (??!!)buying fake vaccination certificates. The end-stage denialism really seems to have set in since the Wizz nailed his soiled colours to the Ukronazi mast.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  161. Yes, well, remember back in 2019, when a number of people in the vicinity of Fort Detrick were succumbing to respiratory ailments that officials tied to vaping?

    https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202005/28/WS5ecf46a9a310a8b241159267_1.html
    https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202005/28/WS5ecf46a9a310a8b241159267_2.html
    https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202005/28/WS5ecf46a9a310a8b241159267_3.html

    [MORE]

    10 questions about vaping illness and seasonal flu

    By Zihao Zhang | chinadaily.com.cn | Updated: 2020-05-28 13:05

    According to data released by Johns Hopkins University as of May 27, the number of confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the United States has exceeded 1.68 million, and 98,916 people have died. It is surprising that the United States, which values human rights the most and has the most advanced medical conditions in the world, would have so many confirmed cases and deaths. This reminds us of the vaping illness and seasonal flu that the US government has not yet responded to. As observers, we still feel confused about a core question: Did the two sudden outbreaks and the disappearance of unknown diseases have some connections with COVID-19 and did they provide soil for the large-scale outbreak of COVID-19?

    The US government has a responsibility and obligation to answer these 10 questions about vaping illness and seasonal flu.

    Question One: E-cigarettes have been around in the US for several years, so why has vaping illness suddenly appeared and why have the cases increased dramatically in the year of 2019 ? Why has the American media previously avoided mentioning the effects of e-cigarettes on the respiratory system and even trumpeted their substitution for traditional tobacco?

    E-cigarettes, which contain nicotine, have been available in the United States since 2007. In the spirit of curiosity, I searched the New York Times with “e-cigarette” as the keyword, and collected and sorted out the representative reports of the New York Times on e-cigarettes since January 2018. We can see that e-cigarettes have been controversial in the United States for a long time, but the point of controversy is that some experts believe that e-cigarettes are safer, less toxic and less risky to smoke than traditional cigarettes. But it can lead to addiction to e-cigarettes, damage to brain development, memory loss and even the increase of the risk of suffering heart disease. There was no mention of the negative effects on respiratory problems and lung diseases. Even the claims which experts have used to counter the criticism of e-cigarettes are that they contain much less nicotine and are safer than conventional tobacco. CNN’s chief medical correspondent Sanjay Gupta also questioned in an interview: “We’ve never heard of a mysterious disease like this before, and I think the connection is worth exploring.” Why, given the long history of e-cigarette products, did vaping illness “suddenly” appear in 2019? Why haven’t American researchers found a link between e-cigarettes and lung disease before? Why hasn’t the American media previously warned the public about the respiratory effects of e-cigarettes?

    Question Two: The outbreak of vaping illness coincided with unexplained respiratory infections in two nursing homes. Why do respiratory diseases occur during the off-flu season? Are older people jumping on the e-cigarette bandwagon?

    On July 12, 2019, an outbreak of unexplained respiratory illness at a nursing home in northern Virginia sickened more than 50 elderly people and killed two, according to NBC news. The cause of the disease remains unknown, and county and state health officials are still conducting laboratory tests to determine what exactly is causing the disease. Health officials said what was striking about this outbreak is the number of residents affected and the time of year when the flu and respiratory illnesses occurred – in summer, not winter. Why did the respiratory diseases occur in a non-flu season? The outbreak of an unidentified lung disease in the nursing home occurred close to an outbreak of “e-cigarette lung disease”. Are older people jumping on the e-cigarette bandwagon? If it wasn’t flu or vaping illness, what was the real source of the disease?

    Question Three: What kind of research is going on at Fort Derrick? Are coronaviruses being tested on animals? Why was it suddenly shut down? Why did vaping illness suddenly spike after the lab was shut down? What’s the connection between them?

    Fort Detrick, a US biological and chemical weapons base in Frederick, Maryland, is an hour’s drive from the US army medical command in Washington. Fort Detrick studies bacteria and toxins that could threaten the US military or public health, and investigates disease outbreaks. In July 2019, the Fort Detrick biological base was closed for failing to comply with appropriate control protocols. Soon after, there was an outbreak of vaping illness in nearby areas. Then the media shifted the focus on the e-cigarette debate to respiratory problems and lung diseases, and started reporting about vaping illness. Viruses listed in the lab’s database include swine flu, Ebola and SARS-related coronaviruses. What on earth is this military lab doing? Are coronavirus trials underway? Why did “e-cigarette lung disease” suddenly spike after the lab was shut down? What is the connection between the two?

    Question Five:Why are the symptoms and pathologies of e-cigarette lung disease so strikingly similar with COVID-19 ? Coincidence again?

    According to a report in the New York Times last August, people with vaping illness often experience severe shortness of breath, chest pain, fever and fatigue, and some need to be treated in intensive care units with a ventilator. Does it sound familiar? Novel coronavirus infections also causes shortness of breath, chest pain, fatigue and fever, requiring intensive care and ventilator treatment. Not only that, but even lung CT scans for vaping illness are surprisingly consistent with COVID-19. They have a “frosted glass” appearance on the inside of the lungs. It can cause pneumonia and fever. Why are the symptoms and pathologies of e-cigarette lung disease so strikingly similar with COVID-19? Another coincidence?

    Question Six: Thirty US states are reporting more seasonal flu than usual this time of year. Why? Are these cases really all seasonal flu? Are these cases related to COVID-19? Have they all been tested? Has the result been announced to the public?

    In October 2019, the centers for disease control and prevention said that 60 percent of the US had some level of flu activity. This year, even before the peak of the flu season, 30 states reported more flu cases than they did in the same period last year, or even in the same period in the past decade, the New York Times reported. Jonathan Falk, epidemiology program manager at the Virginia Department of Health, said the number of such outbreaks this year rose to 19, compared with the dozen or so that normally occur in the period outside flu season. Is it a coincidence that 30 states are reporting more seasonal flu than usual this time of year? Are these cases really all seasonal flu?

    Question Seven: Vaping illness has declined dramatically in the United States since the onset of the seasonal flu. And then after COVID-19 came along, the flu went down again. Right? What do all these coincidences mean? Is the virus being grafted onto seasonal flu in the US after “e-cigarettes”?

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has received a total of 215 cases of e-cigarette lung disease from 25 states in the last two months, from June 28 to Aug 27. As we all know, August and September are peak months for seasonal flu in the United States. Since the day the CDC began tracking flu, cases of e-cigarette lung disease have mysteriously declined. On Aug 27 the CDC announced that not every case had been linked to e-cigarette use or seasonal flu. Vaping illness has declined dramatically in the United States since the seasonal flu. Patients with lung injury associated with e-cigarette or vaping product use, or EVALI, experience symptoms similar to those associated with influenza or other respiratory infections (e.g., fever, cough, headache, myalgia, or fatigue), so it may be difficult to distinguish EVALI from influenza or community-acquired pneumonia at the initial evaluation, the CDC said in a Nov 22 statement. EVALI symptoms can also coexist with respiratory infections. So, why did seasonal influenza decline after the emergence of COVID-19? The CDC says it’s hard to tell the difference between vaping illness and seasonal influenza. Does the CDC compare the difference between the two and COVID-19? Are the results of the comparison made public? If not, why not? Is the virus being grafted onto seasonal flu in the US after e-cigarettes?

    Question Eight: After the COVID-19 outbreak, media reports on vaping illness and seasonal influenza have dropped sharply. At the same time, the media has responded more negatively to questions about e-cigarettes. Is the United States blurring the focus?

    According to statistics, in the second half of 2019, the New York Times reported a total of 217 reports related to e-cigarette lung disease. Since the COVID-19 outbreak, the New York Times has reported fewer vaping illnesses every month: 31 in January, 17 in February, seven in March, six in April, and four in May. These above reports are in stark contrast to the government’s and media’s proposals for a total ban on e-cigarettes. As for the Chinese media’s questions about the vaping illness in the United States, most of the American media chose aphasia and negative responses, covered up criticism, and even attacked and smeared China to obscure the focus. Are they doing this to confuse right and wrong and blur the focus?

    Question Nine:The Event 201 in October 2019 seems foreseeable. Is it for prevention and control or advance training for the coronavirus, which is already known? Why only talk about economic recovery but not disease control?

    In October 2019, US agencies organized another global pandemic exercise, code-named Event 201, which simulated the outbreak of a new zoonotic coronavirus from bats to pigs to humans, which eventually spread effectively from person to person, leading to a very serious pandemic. As the number of infections and deaths increases, the economic and social consequences become more serious, the forum said. At its simplest, it is essentially a simulation forum for discussing scenarios of a global pandemic. But what is worth noticing is that it focuses more on how to control the economic losses, rather than how to effectively establish and improve the prevention and control system for infectious diseases. Is the simulated drill of Event 201 to prevent or rehearse in advance? Why only talk about economic recovery but not disease prevention?

    Question Ten:Is it true that Trump said “no one knows COVID-19 better than I do”? Does the US have ulterior motives in accusing and smearing China?

    The sudden appearance of vaping illness. The US military conducting animal experiments on coronavirus.The high overlap between vaping illness and COVID-19 symptoms, the sudden increase in seasonal flu. The walk-through in the Event 201 forum.

    The US media’s malevolent suppression and wanton dumping of China. The disappearance of vaping illness and seasonal influenza after the emergence of COVID-19. It is hard not to think that the origin of COVID-19 is in the United States. Now, the situation in the United States is grim, but some American politicians are busy spreading rumors and smears instead of focusing on prevention and control. This not only failed to shift responsibility, but further exposed doubts. The United States government has a duty to explain clearly, to answer clearly and to give an account to the world. Otherwise, we can’t help but wonder if it’s true that Trump said, “No one knows COVID-19 better than I do.”

  162. @anon

    It’s possible that the virus was deliberately released, but not at all for the motives that Unz suggests. What if, rather than a “US attacks China gone wrong” scenario, we substitute “Unknown power group [transnational deep state?] attacks national governments”? Their motives are not to weaken one particular nation, but to “take over” most of the world’s national governments. And to make a boatload of money in the bargain.

    Imagine a scenario where much of the legal and regulatory force were already in place to “manage” a “public health emergency.” Furthermore, shadowy players have strategically made substantial investments in firms that would profit from a pandemic.Years of studies simulating pandemics and responses have answered questions. Some of the exercises have been so detailed that they even included policies and participants who later featured in the “real” pandemic.

    Most importantly, you group(s) exert great control over government agencies, media and other entities. The only thing missing is the catalyst, a pathogen needed to start the panic.

    What would be the most ideal pathogen? Well, you don’t want to kill the whole world. You DO want something highly contagious and that sickens or kills just enough to instill fear. A virus like SARS-CoV-2 fits the bill almost perfectly. Obtaining it and seeding it are “implementation details” as software engineers would say. Using your iron-grip control of mass media, you suppress dissent and fan the flames of panic until the virus “mouse” has, in the minds of the sheep, attained the size and danger of a herd of velociraptors.

    I’m not claiming that’s what happened, of course. Some of the details will probably never be known. But I assure you that nearly everything else outlined except the “deliberate release” part of the scenario sketched above, is true beyond any reasonable doubt. Most of it is described in detail in RFK Jr.’s Book “The Real Anthony Fauci,” and probably in other books/media as well.

    • Agree: Mehen
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  163. lulu says:
    @A123

    IF you can and will read the quotation you quotated properly, you should see ande notice the followings:

    A call for an independent inquiry into the origin of the SARS-CoV-2 virus

    A broad spectrum of coronavirus research work was done not only in Wuhan (including groups at Wuhan University and the Wuhan CDC, as well as WIV) but also in the United States. The exact details of the fieldwork and laboratory work of the EHA-WIV-UNC partnership

    EHA: who cooperates with US military labs around the global and US institutes, such as Fauci’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. EHA’s also gets its fund from Fauci’s NIAID;

    UNC: UNC’s famous professor Ralph Baric did the gain-of-function research on SAR/Bat virus. Baric’s lab should be under investigation and scrutiny just as WIV. <—–This what "A call for an independent inquiry into the origin of the SARS-CoV-2 virus" really means.

    • Replies: @A123
  164. Sean says:
    @BlackFlag

    They later go into more detail explaining how the NIAID is involved in the development of bioweaponry. Sachs says that the bioweaponry program became the biggest part of top NIH

    Bioweapons programs can be defencive or offensive. Jack Matlock has said the Soviet bioweapon scientist was granted tours of US bioweapon facilities and realised they were set up for defensive work.

  165. A123 says: • Website
    @BlackFlag

    Excellent. Good summary of your agreement with me.

    Fauci, NIAID, UNC, NIH, and others have ties to WIV as Origin.

    52 min: Sachs summarizes: So obviously there is an intelligence community part involved in this in some way or another in shutting down the discussions

    U.S. agencies are protecting the CCP, Fauci, NIAID, UNC, NIH, etc. Not-The-President Biden is misusing the FBI for personal gain. Do you think he would not help CCP officials who gave his son an \$80,000 diamond.

    Your support for WIV as Origin is appreciated. Every U.S. agency protecting the CCP needs to be thoroughly investigated to end the corruption.
    ___

    Sachs has to be *cagey*. Targeting a member of the DNC Elite and missing? That brings personal ruin at best. At worst, well you remember Vince Foster.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  166. PJ London says:

    “… the global health crisis that had already claimed 18 million lives.”
    Give me a break !
    It is remotely possible that 18 million have died from some cause or other but not from Covid. Every Medical individual and institution was bribed to claim Covid cases. But the test that they used was ridiculous and would give a 100% positive result even from Bananas and Diesel oil. 99% of the claims were entered as “Died with Covid” not “From Covid”.
    By all means attack Daily Mail, it is read for the hundreds of pictures, (many/mostly of bikinis) never for it’s journalism. I “read” it every day for it’s headlines to see what the world is making a fuss about. As a source of information it ranks only a few places ahead of Wikipedia.

  167. A123 says: • Website
    @Olivier1973

    Repeating time and again that the Wuhan lab is the source of the virus proves only one thing: you have no evidence.

    Why are you being such a fool?

    Sachs explicitly stated that the release was a “Blunder”. That is his exact word. Thus the evidence that it came from Wuhan is that it started in Wuhan after exiting a lab in Wuhan. You have no evidence that this did not happen.

    Remember, the timing has moved a way from the Wuhan Military Games. The burden of proof is yours.

    How could a “Blunder” travel from Ukraine, Georgia, or the U.S. to Wuhan without contaminating intervening locations?

    Why does everyone ignore the painfully straightforward question? The frantic evasion is obvious. And, becoming tedious.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  168. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Is your memory failing you? I have repeated several times my refutation of your version of my position on those old allegations (one apparently true according to another Commenter’s detailed account) .

    Since you keep denying all your ridiculous previous statements, I’d produced a compilation of them last month that anyone can easily examine and verify:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/challenging-americas-lords-of-illusion-with-a-million-contrary-rumble-views/?showcomments#comment-5511600

    On a slightly different matter, is Putin still dying from terminal cancer as you’d repeatedly claimed earlier this year? Offhand, he looked pretty healthy during his recent SCO presentation…

    • LOL: Carroll price
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  169. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    If you want Google to find UR you include “unz.com” in the search.

    You’re missing the point.

    The pages of this website can still be found via Google if someone is explicitly looking for them and includes “unz.com” in the search. However, almost no one can otherwise discover the contents of this website.

    Therefore, new visitors are reduced to a trickle, which over time has a great deal of impact.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  170. A123 says: • Website
    @lulu

    A call for an independent inquiry into the origin of the SARS-CoV-2 virus

    A broad spectrum of coronavirus research work was done not only in Wuhan (including groups at Wuhan University and the Wuhan CDC, as well as WIV) but also in the United States. The exact details of the fieldwork and laboratory work of the EHA-WIV-UNC partnership

    – EHA: who cooperates with US military labs around the global and US institutes, such as Fauci’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. EHA’s also gets its fund from Fauci’s NIAID;

    – UNC: UNC’s famous professor Ralph Baric did the gain-of-function research on SAR/Bat virus. Baric’s lab should be under investigation and scrutiny just as WIV. <—–This what "A call for an independent inquiry into the origin of the SARS-CoV-2 virus" really means

    If you can and will read the quotation, you will notice the following. You missed Sachs most important target. It is right in the middle. Let me bold text it for you, “EHA-*WIV*-UNC”.

    *WIV*: The lab that was doing Gain of Function research. Hhmmmmm….. Where did this virus turn up? Could it be in a city performing GoF research? Could it have been released by what Sachs himself terms a “*Blunder*”?

    Should EHA and UNC be investigated for helping WIV as Origin?

    Absolutely. That is why the U.S. Elite Left are frantic and staging a cover up. Once that failure is spotlighted, many evils of Leftoid indoctrination and corruption via academia will be uncovered.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Ben the Layabout
  171. KenH says:
    @Ron Unz

    Then I was obviously a bit off on the timeline of when you get deplatformed and deranked and the reasons why. I’ve read most of your articles but did not accurately remember all of the details of your social media troubles and Google deranking.

    I found your site during a Google search in 2014-15 as I’m sure many did. I have no doubt that traffic to unz.com would be significantly higher if not for the Facebook ban and Google’s deranking making your site more difficult to find.

  172. Ron Unz says:
    @Ben the Layabout

    What if, rather than a “US attacks China gone wrong” scenario, we substitute “Unknown power group [transnational deep state?] attacks national governments”? Their motives are not to weaken one particular nation, but to “take over” most of the world’s national governments. And to make a boatload of money in the bargain.

    You’re just a typical conspiracy-crank.

    Weeks before the virus appeared in Wuhan, America’s top biowarfare advocate spent eight months running the Crimson Contagion exercise on protecting America from infections if a Covid-like virus suddenly appeared in China. Why would a “transnational deep state” planning to attack all national governments organize that?

    The earliest two major Covid outbreaks appeared in China and Iran, America’s two leading adversaries. Why would a “transnational deep state” decide to target exactly the two countries that America’s national security establishment most wanted to injure?

    And what about the secret DIA report describing the potentially “cataclysmic” disease outbreak in Wuhan before it had occurred? Why would your “transnational deep state” provide its secret plans to America’s own Defense Intelligence Agency?

    Conspiracy-cranks prefer to invent the most outlandish and ridiculous theories to explain something that is actually very simple.

  173. Levtraro says:
    @Ron Unz

    But in April 2020, I published my first article arguing that the Covid outbreak was probably due to an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran).

    Here is another twist to your hypothesis that you migth have considered or not. It’s about the part of the attack on Iran.

    The fact that Iranian politicians fell ill with COVID-19 at the start of the epidemic is (to me) the strongest evidence for your hypothesis because that event is very unlikely under the alternative hypotheses, the natural origin hypothesis and the leak from the WIV hypothesis.

    So it is intriguing why would USA operatives risk blowing their cover by attacking Iran’s political elite when their main plan was to attack China. In addition, the USA killed Soleimani in early January 2020 and boasted about it so it seemed they were already quite content with their wicked plans against Iran.

    Say, the USA had a junior partner in the project to attack China with COVID-19, and the junior partner decided to have its own attack on Iran. Then the attack on Iran’s poltical elite, assuming your hypothesis is correct, would make a lot more sense. The declining great power attacked China as the main show and the junior partner attacked Iran as a sideshow.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  174. What Sachs should have said that the virus was deliberately leaked after being created at the Wuhan lab. Dr.Paul Craig Roberts states”We have had a narrow escape from tyranny but the war on freedom is not over”global research.ca/global research.org .Dr.Roberts reviewed Kees Van Der Pjil’s book “States of emergency” in which he holds the Covid pandemic was orchestrated with worldwide paricipation in the fraud , that the event was long in the making by a global “elite” including Bill Gates, Anthony Fauci, and organizations including the CDC and FDA (” captured “Federal agencies)NIH and the WHO.
    Dr.Roberts observes that we owe it to ourselves to read “State of Emergency” to come to terms that we are ruled by people devoid of integrity and who are out to control us.

  175. David B says:
    @Ron Unz

    Our host and Sachs are right about Covid-19 being a U.S. bioweapon (independent journalist George Webb figured that out long before they did). But consider this: on September 15, Sachs, in discussing the Lancet Covid Committee Report, publicly called for the WHO to oversee biosafety globally. He called the WHO the “cornerstone of our global health and safety”; recommended several steps for “strengthening” the WHO; said it needs a “full, proper, adequate budget” consisting of tens of billions of dollars. See Dr. Meryl Nass’s most recent Substack for details.

    This is a recipe for disaster. Most of us understand that the WHO, now funded largely by Gates, Big Pharma, and the U.S. regime, is hopelessly corrupt and compromised. And this is probably inevitable for any such institution with global reach. Giving it more money and more power will only make matters worse.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  176. Ron Unz says:
    @David B

    Our host and Sachs are right about Covid-19 being a U.S. bioweapon (independent journalist George Webb figured that out long before they did).

    You’ve now mentioned that George Webb fellow a couple of times, and I’ve never heard of him. When I glanced at his Substack, he seemed a Trumpist conspiracy-activist mostly focused on FBI plots.

    Could you point me to some of his earliest articles on Covid being a US bioweapon so I could evaluate them?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  177. @xyz234

    Why in hell is the fact that the US funds bio-warfare research in communist China in and of itself not a major scandal and not to mention treason? Absolutely zero interest among journalists anywhere in this.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  178. MPJ says:
    @The Real World

    A whole lot of people understand this, including here. Everyone, except Ron.

    • Replies: @The Real World
  179. geokat62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    You’ve now mentioned that George Webb fellow a couple of times, and I’ve never heard of him.

    Forget about George Webb. It’s what David B wrote next that is critically important:

    But consider this: on September 15, Sachs, in discussing the Lancet Covid Committee Report, publicly called for the WHO to oversee biosafety globally. He called the WHO the “cornerstone of our global health and safety”; recommended several steps for “strengthening” the WHO; said it needs a “full, proper, adequate budget” consisting of tens of billions of dollars. See Dr. Meryl Nass’s most recent Substack for details.

    It appears the “Good and Great” Sachs is now working diligently to bolster globalist institutions and the “philanthropists” who fund them.

    After helping the people of Russia, he appears very keen to help the people of the world.

    Notice how Dr Meryl Nass refers to Jeffrey Sachs as a “globalist extraordinaire,” rather an “ultra ultra-respected” individual.

    Here’s the transcript:

    [MORE]

    [Dr. Meryl Nass] transcribed Jeffrey Sachs’ 3 minutes on how we should give WHO authority over biowarfare research

    Nobel Laureate and globalist extraordinaire Jeffrey Sachs read the following on September 15, 2022, regarding the conclusion of the Lancet COVID committee report:

    “We don’t want laboratory-created pandemics, and yet there is a lot of hidden, dangerous research underway and it needs to be regulated and supervised.
    I am sorry to put even more burden on our dear director general of WHO. But we need WHO to oversee the biosafety.  Because we don’t have any global oversight of biosafety right now.  And I can tell you surely, whatever the origin of this virus, there is a lot of hidden, dangerous work underway that is not properly controlled, and we need to know what’s happening, to monitor it, and make sure it is being safely and properly done. And that is not the case right now.
    Then we recommend several steps for strengthening WHO.  WHO is the cornerstone of our global health and safety.
    It was made for a reason in 1948.  It has done round the clock very difficult work. Including in the most recent hours, as I’ve been hearing, in this.  
    We need WHO to have a full, proper, adequate budget.  We need it to have the backing of political leaders and the global scientific community.  We need it to have the powers to investigate as necessary.  We can’t let it get caught in geopolitical conflict between the US and China or anyone else.  It needs strong global backing.  
    This is the main message of our report. We want an absolutely strong WHO. We have strong leadership but we need to back the strong leadership.
    Finally we need financing.  To meet the urgent needs of vulnerable populations.  Especially poor people around the world. We live in a world of vast inequality as I have emphasized.  But justice is that everybody has the right to life and health. And we’ve also realized that since the Declaration of Human Rights and the Constitution of the WHO itself.
    So we call for a global health fund, based in Geneva, working alongside WHO.  Of tens of billions of dollars, not a trickle. Roughly 0.1% of the rich world income.  
    That’s absolutely manageable. So that we have the funding to ensure health systems that function everywhere in the world.”

    Dr. Meryl Nass transcribed Jeffrey Sachs’ 3 minutes on how we should give WHO authority over biowarfare research…

    Nobel Laureate and globalist extraordinaire Jeffrey Sachs read the following on September 15, 2022, regarding the conclusion of the Lancet COVID committee report:

    “We don’t want laboratory-created pandemics, and yet there is a lot of hidden, dangerous research underway and it needs to be regulated and supervised.
    I am sorry to put even more burden on our dear director general of WHO. But we need WHO to oversee the biosafety.  Because we don’t have any global oversight of biosafety right now.  And I can tell you surely, whatever the origin of this virus, there is a lot of hidden, dangerous work underway that is not properly controlled, and we need to know what’s happening, to monitor it, and make sure it is being safely and properly done. And that is not the case right now.
    Then we recommend several steps for strengthening WHO.  WHO is the cornerstone of our global health and safety.
    It was made for a reason in 1948.  It has done round the clock very difficult work. Including in the most recent hours, as I’ve been hearing, in this.  
    We need WHO to have a full, proper, adequate budget.  We need it to have the backing of political leaders and the global scientific community.  We need it to have the powers to investigate as necessary.  We can’t let it get caught in geopolitical conflict between the US and China or anyone else.  It needs strong global backing.  
    This is the main message of our report. We want an absolutely strong WHO. We have strong leadership but we need to back the strong leadership.
    Finally we need financing.  To meet the urgent needs of vulnerable populations.  Especially poor people around the world. We live in a world of vast inequality as I have emphasized.  But justice is that everybody has the right to life and health. And we’ve also realized that since the Declaration of Human Rights and the Constitution of the WHO itself.
    So we call for a global health fund, based in Geneva, working alongside WHO.  Of tens of billions of dollars, not a trickle. Roughly 0.1% of the rich world income.  
    That’s absolutely manageable. So that we have the funding to ensure health systems that function everywhere in the world.”

    https://merylnass.substack.com/

  180. Vonu says:

    Unfortunately the Daily Mail missed the discovery of dozens of biolabs in the Ukraine funded by the US government but shut down by the Russian denazification.

    • Replies: @Lysias
  181. geokat62 says:
    @thotmonger

    Do you have the name and link to this documentary?

    • Replies: @Mehen
  182. The “Americans” attacked THEMSELVES with Covid, or rather (since Covid was a COMPLETE failure as a bioweapon if it was intended as such) they attacked themselves via their response it.

    So to cover up America’s suicide attempt, the shadow rulers had to first “attack” China and Iran?

    Most conspiracy theories make at least make SOME sense.

    • Agree: Allergic2katz
  183. Mehen says:
    @geokat62

    odysee.com/@thebigreset:1/ENGLISH:bb

    • Thanks: geokat62
  184. Ron Unz says:
    @Levtraro

    So it is intriguing why would USA operatives risk blowing their cover by attacking Iran’s political elite when their main plan was to attack China…Say, the USA had a junior partner in the project to attack China with COVID-19, and the junior partner decided to have its own attack on Iran.

    Sure, that’s possible. Maybe America’s Deep State Neocons attacked China and Israel decided to use the opportunity to attack Iran as well. But since those two groups were so extremely close together regarding Iran, it’s not clear how distinct they would have been.

    However, given the total global media control enjoyed by the West, I doubt there would have been much concern about “blowing their cover.”

    After all, at the time the Iranians publicly accused America of having attacked them with Covid as a bioweapon, even complaining to the UN, but nobody ever heard about it. I’ve spent more than two years pointing to the extremely suspicious nature of the very early Iranian outbreak, and I’m still virtually alone in making that point.

    Total media control is an extremely powerful weapon.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/challenging-americas-lords-of-illusion-with-a-million-contrary-rumble-views/

    • Replies: @geokat62
  185. @A123

    This is the CCP we are talking about.

    It was a Taiwanese virologist/pharmacologist not CCP. Patient Zero in the US was from Washington State and before Wuhan. That person had traveled to Hawai’i. Washington State, like every other US State, has a military “research lab”.

    Was there a Fort Detrick problem in 2017-18? Possibly.

    Nope, no problem. The CDC just shuts down labs on a whim. The official narrative says so.
    https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/health/fort-detrick-lab-shut-down-after-failed-safety-inspection-all-research-halted-indefinitely/article_767f3459-59c2-510f-9067-bb215db4396d.html

  186. Dutch says:

    You’re all being led by the nose to miss the forest from the trees. Give me a sample of that virus and I’ll tell you in a few hours if it was manmade. I know many many people that could. And tried. And you know what they found? There was no virus ‘available’.

    [MORE]
    The Lancet knows this because they published the original CDC paper on the fraudulent PCR standard reconstructed from a ‘patient zero’ back in June of 2020. That paper, as have many subsequent papers from these agencies makes the claim ‘no virus was available’. And here, over two years later, after allegedly a billion plus people have had it, and allegedly 18 million people have died from it, and some 30k variants have allegedly been ‘discovered’ (but actually only modeled) the story is still the same:. No virus is available. You can order HIV, Zika, influenza, hepatitis, etc viruses from repositories anywhere. They’re commonplace. But not one swinging dick has been able to get their hands on one single, tangible, honest to God virion of COViD 19 for 2 plus years, even as it allegedly runs rampant around the globe, changing and reinfecting people. Why do you think the vaccine is garbage? Why did they not use a standard attenuated-virus like they’ve done forever? Because they never had a real sample of the virus to work from, just a suspect sequence on a computer. And the goal was never to help you anyway, it was to kill you. So they’ve trapped you between these bookends of man-made and lab-made so you can aregue their lies back and forth and never question the glaring, verifiable, testable and provable elephant in the room:. There is no virus at all. A fact that you can’t refute because you, just like the entire rest of the world, can’t produce one fucking virion of it. I defy you to prove otherwise. You will fail. So what kind of investigative journalist are you if you accept as fact something you’ve never even seen, then take to theorizing about it’s origins? A fucking terrible one. It’s bad enough that the media has gone all in on this Hegelian Dialectic of man-made vs lab made, but it’s downright comical to see all these ‘truth seekers’ fall for it just as hard. Just like an alcoholic who must admit he’s an alcoholic, you all need to accept that you actually know nothing or very little that didn’t come from the TV. Not even Ron. And you’re not doing anything remotely resembling science when you assert something exists without applying the standards that have existed for over 100 years for proving that. Your just arguing with yourselves over your individual interpretations of what you thought the TV told you. Nothing could be stupider. Neither me nor Ron have some special super power for reading medical publications and journals. You could do it too and actually know something. Instead you come here for thirdand accounts of unproven things with no basis in fact. So long as you keep doing that expect only more of the same lies and deceptions. It’s like you’re literally begging for them. “Only the stupid debate and flee a virus when none existeth”

    • Thanks: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  187. Sean says:
    @迪路

    One of the world’s most eminent virologists (known for his work on HIV) is Simon Wain-Hobson who said experiments that conferred aerosol transmission on virus strains that can infect humans, but which are not naturally transmitted between humans was irrational. He said that publicly back in 2013 about bird flu gain of function, and in a paper two years later he also specifically criticized Baric’s work as fundamentally irrational.

    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2014.00077/full

    The problem was not government agencies who wanted offensive bioweapons or certain countries’ Deep State, but rather the self interested bull headed a wish by a few dozen scientists across many countries to personally aggrandize themselves by continually driving a particular area science they has subliminally concluded will best bring him status much further than ordinary common sense would dictate.

    Wain-Hobson predicted human transmissibility GoF was worthless and risked causing a global pandemic, which is exactly what happened a few years later.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  188. geokat62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    Total media control is an extremely powerful weapon.

    It is, indeed. And rumour has it that just a handful of Jewish companies own the lion’s share of “Western” media.

    If true, I wonder what the implications of that might be?

    • Replies: @H. L. M
  189. Iwa says:

    The virus came from the US lab . In May 2019 I was so sick like never in my life . 2 months later they closed biolab in Maryland that is not that far where I live. The military Olympic competition in China in October 2019 where US team was at the bottom of competitions indicate that US military wasn’t in good physical shape.

    • Replies: @orchardist
  190. Maybe I’m wrong, but there is no evidence of a corona virus. As such, why does the information about SARS-COVID-2 and COVID-19 persist uncorrected? It seems to me that Ron Unz and others do not make a distinction that Viruses were originally concocted for psychological warfare against other nations as well as a way to exclude foreign immigrants from invading sovereign countries.

    In other words, viruses can not be admitted to be overblown influenza unless the US wants to give up its psy op advantage over other nations. We now know that the US can use hologram projections for warfare purposes (e.g., 9/11, UFO’s, etc.). But the US can never come out and admit C-19 or Holographic Projections are fake, for psychological warfare purposes.

    C-19 is now sui generis – it has a life of its own irrespective of any objective reality.

  191. @Semi-Employed White Guy

    Umm… Perhaps because the U.S. Government, year-in, year-out, simply stone-face DENIES it and DENIES all supporting evidence – and the shallow, feckless, Salary-earning worthless media whores who once upon a time at their graduation ceremonies used to aspire to be the new Woodwards and Bernsteins now instead simply do as they are told by their Editors – and their Editors’ ((( Controllers ))) – and obediently and unquestioningly bury the stories without a word – or a whimper ?

    Depressing, I know – but you did ask. You’re welcome.

    • Agree: The Real World
  192. @American Citizen

    And that level of general ridiculousness should be sufficient to confirm for you what, on the honest balance of all relevant probabilities, is actually TRUE – and what is not.

  193. Sean says:

    Since April 2020 I’ve stood almost alone in publicly arguing that Covid was probably an American virus, with the global outbreak being blowback from a disastrously reckless biowarfare attack against China (and Iran).

    What was Russia supposed to be doing during this bioweapon attack against its only potential allies against the US?

  194. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:

    Whether or not it is true that COVID-19 emerged from a U.S. biotechnology lab, this accusation— the raising of this possibility— does help to quiet down the accusations that this was Chinese biowarfare attack. Personally, I am pretty convinced that COVID-19 was launched by all of the governments who participated in the Bloomberg/Johns Hopkins coronavirus simulation; and that it was done to give the world a mutual public enemy, thereby diffusing the nationalistic energies that were leading China and the U.S. closer to confrontation under the Trump administration. However, I do agree that based on character evidence alone, if COVID-19 were launched by a single government, it was probably the U.S. We seem to be the government most involved in false flag attacks. Jeffrey Sachs is so useful in these kinds of public roles that I cannot imagine who we will have when he is gone— you find him at the Vatican, you find him in Third World debt negotiations, and he has a high degree of likeability and credibility in all of these various situations. He is just the man to speak up for the Chinese, the wonderful Chinese and their government who are so beaten down by Western propaganda. What is Sach’s secret? I say it is that he hails from Michigan; obviously he is brilliant, but it is the Midwestern decency which carries him. Good article Ron.

  195. @gay troll

    I don’t understand – why be a troll anyway?

    Why not join the intellectual community here, read a lot and think straight, write something of use, interest and value – and fucking well grow up ?

  196. @MPJ

    Thank you.
    Agreed, except I think he is aware but, for reasons only he knows, he won’t acknowledge such on here.

  197. Anonymous[212] • Disclaimer says:

    Oh boy, Sean’s here with the fresh-squeezed CIA horseshit!

    Today’s slogan for DO-grade dimbulbs:

    “The problem was not government agencies who wanted offensive bioweapons or certain countries’ Deep State, but rather… [those gosh-darn &#\$\$!*] scientists]

    It wasn’t CIA, it was… scientists. CIA contractors Daszak and Battelle.

    https://kanekoa.substack.com/p/was-peter-daszak-working-for-the
    (They just can’t help bragging about it, Can they?)

    China has no problem holding CIA contractors accountable – remember Bennett, who blew up the Chinese embassy for CIA? Bop, Bonk! Daszak and Korch will be looking over their shoulders for a few years, and then…

    But this time CIA’s maleficium gives the whole world a beef. Pompeo, Beth Kimber, Avril are gonna come to in the glass booth at Khabarovsk. Then the SCTO will work down through the ranks. The world will thrill to tearful Pompeo widdling a wet spot in his 52-regular pants.

  198. Wild Man says:
    @Ron Unz

    On this portion of your comment:

    “Why would a “transnational deep state” decide to target exactly the two countries that America’s national security establishment most wanted to injure?”

    Because these “transnational deep state” forces are globalist, and ultimately want a highly centralized post-nationalist one world government. That is why the pandemic didn’t stay in Iran and China, …. because it was never intended to be limited like that. For the majority of your readership here (including myself), I am quite sure that they do not understand (nor do I) what you are driving at, when you make claims, … like the question-claim above, …. because such claims could only exist as valid claims in a world where these faux-west globalists forces do not exist. Is that what you are claiming? Well, why then, does your National Security Editor (as well as a whole raft of other writers you feature here at the UR, who make similar claims as Giraldi), continue to make very different claims about this faux-west globalism, like Giraldi has done today, as per this quote from the Sept, 20, 2022 Giraldi article you have published at UR, entitled ‘More Disinformation from Israel’?:

    “One should consider that what for Israel, the United States, Russia, Ukraine and nearly everyone else what is passed off as intelligence is anything but. It is instead more often than not a tightly woven argument to convince other countries, the public and the media that something that is supportive of one’s policies is true and should be considered corroborative. This is how we the people have now come to see global events through the prism of an official lie factory.”

    Mr. Unz, ….. the onus is on you to finally write up an Unz-piece, describing your take on this ‘globalism’ topic that the writers you publish here, have done a good job of outlining. Until you do, … pretty much none of your writing, on any topic, is really intelligible. If you are arguing that ‘globalism’ does not exist as a powerful force upon the geopolitical scene, ….. you are going against the view of pretty much all the writers you publish. You owe us all an explanation (long overdue actually).

  199. lavoisier says:
    @Thomm

    Wrong website. Plenty here think Mr. Unz’s theory is spot on.

    MSM? Nobody who wants to keep their job.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  200. vinteuil says:

    When, oh when, will people here start noticing that, when it comes to everything that really matters, Ron K. Unz is all conventional wisdom, all the time?

    On immigration, he’s a standard issue open borders maniac.

    On covid, he’s barely distinguishable from Tony Fauci, except for his ludicrous claims about its origin.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  201. @Iwa

    In May 2019 I was so sick like never in my life .

    As was I on 5 May 2019; had a five day “sleep”, Sunday night through Friday morning; worse time than ever before or since in my life;

    NO idea what caused it but I was sick beyond sick, SICK!!

  202. nognverra says:

    Unforeseen blow-back?
    Western reaction was in lock-step from the beginning, and proceeded in steps:

    1-Deny the possibility that the new disease could have a significant impact on the West.
    Denounce those war of visiting Chinatown as racist.
    Maintain air travel into the West open. (I hear from one WHO bozo that “people will always find a way to travel” so it’s best to keep borders open and see where they go.)

    2-Suddenly decide the disease is very serious.
    Deny the virus could be man-made.
    Deny that any fault could be attributed to China for the spread o this natural virus, even policing the naming of the virus.
    Shut down air travel and really shut down everything, for weeks.
    Endure years of economic misery for the masses.
    Forbid all proposed early treatments and lockdown mitigation measures, to ensure maximum economic pain.

    3-(Now.) Start to point the finger at China, suggesting the virus is man-made, Chinese-made.
    Make China responsible for the economic damage and lives lost.

    4-(Next ?)
    Demand economic reparations from China for the damage inflicted, OR ELSE….
    ?

    5-Take control of China.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  203. Anonymous[597] • Disclaimer says:

    Wild Man, there are no dumb questions, but we hope you did not hurt yourself when you fell off the turnip truck. You are asking why AFIO pensioner Philip Giraldi says globalists when he means CIA? Do you think he wants an ANX-A2 injection in his bottom at his next gerontology check-up? Do you think he wants Playpen’s Criterion Collection of Heather-O-on-JonBenet cherrypopping bloopers downloaded onto his hard drive in 8K HD?

    Unz can go against the view of the authors he publishes because the whole fucking rest of the world knows globalism is an meaningless abstraction that will not kill you. The problem is Transnational Organized Crime. And Transnational Organized Crime is CIA’s chartered mission and raison d’être.

  204. @Olivier1973

    Thanks. Not evidence of anythinuniversity g surprising unfortunately. The people involved could be the kind of Hollywood celebrities who bribe university admissions officers..

  205. @mulga mumblebrain

    You are worse than Ron (by far) at extrapolating from tiny scraps of selected evidence. That’s like a Hollywood cult/group think that isn’t more surprising than someone reporting that some Amazonian tribal chiefs had decided that if one jab was good for you 100 must be etter and had kept all the jabs for themselves.

    BTW if you are interested in data on democracy v. autocracy font middle my posting of an FT article on Indonesia…

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  206. @Ron Unz

    True and important but not the point of my somewhat clumsy and truncated attempt to, inter alia, makes use the Commenter from Iceland knew all the facts…

  207. Johan says:

    Daily Mail is one of the world’s most widely-read newspapers on the Internet, having twice the traffic of the Washington Post and five times that of the Wall Street Journal, even sometimes approaching the readership of the New York Times.

    This is with these boobs and travo’s on the right side. right? , some alternative sites point at these articles too, I call them alternative vulgar. No wonder why they outperform ‘decent’ Jew controlled propaganda media. They are American style, the world’s main enforcer of democracy, and thus vulgarity. It’s roots may be British, but it’s style is US American.
    The right column of the Daily Mail should be printed in billboard size, and covering every big wall in the US, with the title ‘make the world safe for democracy’.
    And ‘may the Jews take over the whole freaking US for that’.

  208. Ron Unz says:
    @vinteuil

    RKU a “contrarian public intellectual?” As if. On everything that really matters, like immigration, trade policy, the public health response to covid, election integrity – he’s all conventional wisdom, all the time.

    His promotion of this covid-as-bio-weapon-attack-on-china fantasy is presumably meant to discredit by association the highly credible hypothesis
    that covid accidentally escaped from a Chinese lab that was doing gain of function research with American cooperation & funding.

    When, oh when, will people here start noticing that, when it comes to everything that really matters, Ron K. Unz is all conventional wisdom, all the time?

    Our good friend “vinteuil” seems to be just an ignorant and innumerate FoxNews-type paleocon-crank, apparently with literary pretensions, and browsing his Commenter Archive, I see that he revealed himself to be someone named Steve Burton. Given that he’s accused me of being Mr. Conventional Wisdom, I find it quite ironic that he’s clearly been so utterly, utterly terrified of the contents of my American Pravda series.

    One of my earliest major American Pravda pieces published in 2018 was “Oddities of the Jewish Religion,” and here’s how he reacted at the time:

    If this article doesn’t kill unz.com, once and for all, and, along with it, ISteve, than nothing will.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-oddities-of-the-jewish-religion/?showcomments#comment-2419016

    Although he’d commented quite a lot of my previous articles, after he read that one, he was obviously so frightened by the material he spent the next couple of years almost entirely avoiding anything I’d written, presumably fearing lest he suffer “guilt by association.”

    • LOL: Mehen
    • Replies: @vinteuil
  209. Ron Unz says:
    @lavoisier

    It’s amusing that “Thomm” is so surprised that the normies on a mainstream Republican website would consider it impossibly ridiculous that Covid might have been an American bioweapon.

    “Thomm” is just a particularly dishonest and dimwitted Hindu immigrant troll, and his comment underscores the second of those two characteristics.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  210. @Wizard of Oz

    The only ‘evidence’ one needs concerning the utter imbecility and destructiveness of ‘democracy’ in a capitalist State is to peruse the last fifty years of Austfailian history. An electorate brainwashed by the Right, with the Murdoch soul cancer to the fore, driven by greed and self-congratulation, divided against one another, with fifty percent below median intelligence (some FAR below)has elected, over and over, Federal and State regimes of exquisite incompetence and malice. I can see why your type prefers such a milieu.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  211. @nognverra

    ‘Take control of China’??!!! In your dreams, buddy.

    • Replies: @nognverra
  212. Very early in this article, Mr. Unz (who we all love like our adorably eccentric uncle) said (emphasis added)…

    With well over a billion monthly views, Britain’s populist and pugnacious Daily Mail … has stayed true to its original tabloid roots and its success comes from its willingness to wholeheartedly jump on those controversial stories that other outlets avoid.

    The very next paragraph clarifies that Mr. Unz considers such behaviour to place the Daily Mail outside the company of “respectable” publications like the Lancet.

    Very curious – very very curious indeed.

    Please, someone correct me if I’m wrong, but in his immediately prior article, didn’t Mr. Unz specifically criticise both mainstream and alternative media for their failure to engage controversial stories that other outlets avoid?

    This suggests to me that a healthy awareness of opinion bias should attend any reading of Mr. Unz’ writing – one might suppose “respectable” media agrees with Mr. Unz’ position on any particular subject. In any case, something seems suspiciously arse-about in all of this.

    Just saying.

  213. @Sean

    Pure diversion. The USA controls a GIGANTIC worldwide archipelago of biowarfare labs, it has been furiously collecting the DNA of innumerable human populations, it has been prospecting for zoonoses in the tropics since the 50s,it has form in biowarfare in Cuba, Korea and at home and who knows where else, it gave sanctuary to the Japanese monster Shiro Ishii, of Unit 731 infamy, in return for his ‘research’, it has been single-handedly blocking the Inspection regime of the Bioweapons Treaty since 2002 and, as Whitney Webb and others have shown, there are numerous US functionaries like Robert Kadlec, who have OPENLY agitated for bio-warfare against the USA’s enemies (ie humanity).
    Moreover the USA will NEVER accept a bunch of ‘mere Asiatics’, or, if you prefer, ‘gooks’, running the world (even if they have no desire to do so). ONLY White men can do that, and the USA will destroy humanity before surrendering its ‘Full Spectrum Dominance’ over it. The biowarfare attack on China is a ‘slam dunk’, as they say.

  214. @Ron Unz

    Not the perfect place for this maybe but not OT as you have just shown I want to point out how unlikely Bolton sounded in this interview to be someone that should be justly suspected of having organised a biowarfare attack on China.

    I have hitherto been very negative about Bolton Now not so much, though, to be careful I do note that he said his principal interests were in bational security when he joined the Trump WH.

    Watch “Lies, Politics and Democracy: John Bolton (interview) | FRONTLINE” on YouTube

  215. Matt B says:

    Dear Mr Unz,

    I’ve been rivetted to your series of articles following this story because in early 2020 events had aroused in me the very suspicions that you’ve gone on the examine,
    you seem to be the only person openly discussing the same suspicions I reached independently,
    I’ve nothing to add to your narrative but I’m fastidiously following your investigation,

    one thing that is slipping onto the media radar and may increase the motivation to look deeper into the origins of covid and assign blame are various reports of growing excess deaths across the Western world that aren’t directly attributed to covid,

    more people are dying than statistically expected, they’re not dying of covid and no one can offer a good reason for why this is happening,

    if this does continue and becomes impossible to ignore people in general are going to want answers, I have no answers, only suspicions, but I am following this all to see what eventually is revealed.

    I think this is an issue worth monitoring.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  216. @A123

    Why are you being such a fool?

    Ad personam fallacy, you lost.

    Schopenhauer:

    A last trick is to become personal, insulting, rude, as soon as you perceive that your opponent has the upper hand, and that you are going to come off worst. It consists in passing from the subject of dispute, as from a lost game, to the disputant himself, and in some way attacking his person. It may be called the argumentum ad personam, to distinguish it from the argumentum ad hominem, which passes from the objective discussion of the subject pure and simple to the statements or admissions which your opponent has made in regard to it. But in becoming personal you leave the subject altogether, and turn your attack to his person, by remarks of an offensive and spiteful character. It is an appeal from the virtues of the intellect to the virtues of the body, or to mere animalism. This is a very popular trick, because every one is able to carry it into effect; and so it is of frequent application.

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @Ben the Layabout
  217. @Ron Unz

    I have the habit which is good for mental health of choosing how to feel about many occurrences and phenomena. So I take pleasure in old friends keeping up their idiosyncratic behaviour that has become so familiar. Alleging that Putin is dying of cancer is just another of the allegations I have not made but you keep saying I have. I look forward to learning that your genius for software engineering has perfected the Unzbot AI program and we can all enjoy the new game of guessing which is the real Ron – or whether you are even still alive despite the accumulating signs of your being overcome by the horrible disease of elderliness😎

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  218. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Alleging that Putin is dying of cancer is just another of the allegations I have not made but you keep saying I have.

    Aren’t you aware that I built this website to allow text-searches restricted to particular commenters? It took me thirty seconds to locate several of your past comments suggesting or speculating that Putin was dying from cancer:

    April 2, 2022:

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/04/01/putin-accompanied-by-doctors-thyroid-cancer-surgeon-on-sochi-trips-report-a77177

    The version in the AFR makes it very difficult to doubt the truth of the report. He seems to have so much nationalistic support that I wonder whether news of his illness and possible effects on his sense of reality could reach the masses and actually make a difference.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-putin-as-hitler/?showcomments#comment-5268548

    [MORE]

    April 28, 2022:

    Why did Putin choose this time for a full-scale invasion of Ukraine? Rumours of Putin’s thyroid cancer notwithstanding, this was probably the optimal timing.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/ukraine-and-biowarfare-conspiracy-theories/?showcomments#comment-5313773

    April 29, 2022:

    And consider why Putin may properly be regarded as such a dangerously uncertain quantity that he is unique (not even Xi matches him for creating rational fear)…As autocrat, especially with his background, he is, as such, more potentially dangerous than Biden, Macron, Johnson or any Quad leader. Do you feel sufficiently confident that he is not to be feared as one determined to leave an imperial legacy and who has been told that his cancer could kill him within a couple of years?

    https://www.unz.com/runz/ukraine-and-biowarfare-conspiracy-theories/?showcomments#comment-5315539

    I think this will be the last time I’ll waste any effort responding to your denials of the contents of your foolish comments.

    • Replies: @Lysias
    , @Wizard of Oz
  219. Ron Unz says:
    @Matt B

    I’ve been rivetted to your series of articles following this story because in early 2020 events had aroused in me the very suspicions that you’ve gone on the examine,
    you seem to be the only person openly discussing the same suspicions I reached independently,
    I’ve nothing to add to your narrative but I’m fastidiously following your investigation,

    Thanks for your kind words.

    more people are dying than statistically expected, they’re not dying of covid and no one can offer a good reason for why this is happening,

    I’ll certainly keep an eye on the issue going forward, but since I don’t have any medical expertise, I’m not sure I’d have much to contribute.

    I’d assume that the anti-vaxxers claim it’s due to the vaccines, while the establishment would probably say it might be due to “long Covid” or something like that.

    • Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin
  220. Jeffrey Sachs appears to be part of the establishment , don”t expect him to reveal too much.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Mark Hunter
  221. @mulga mumblebrain

    Hard to deny the raw truth of your rant – IMO it’s largely self-evident to anyone who has been watching over the last few decades.

    As for this –

    … the USA will destroy humanity before surrendering its ‘Full Spectrum Dominance’ over it.

    … it’s looking increasingly to me that what now passes for the USA and its band of vassals have been thoroughly hijacked and are just bit-players in a larger game in a genuine global “scorched earth” war for the world – one in which any survivors will ultimately “own nothing, and be happy” (to the extent that any emotional freedom, or freedom of any sort at all, will be permitted).

    I suspect people like Putin and Xi are fully cognizant of that larger reality, as are certain very astute individuals like Martin Armstrong.

  222. @A123

    My latest take on Sachs is that he is a “limited hangout.” Yes, his recent statements about the possible origin of the virus from a lab, or his being stymied at every turn in attempting an investigation seem like heroic disclosures. Or, perhaps most importantly his observation that dangerous research (e.g. virus GoF, but no doubt many others) go on unabated around the globe with little or no oversight.

    But he’s told us NOTHING that we “conspiracy theorists” did not “know” by May 2020!

    Gee, wouldn’t it be great if there was more control of that research? That’s what I suspect is his hidden agenda: to promote expanded [world] government powers. Here’s an article;

    https://merylnass.substack.com/p/jeff-sachs-and-giving-the-who-mo

  223. @Ron Unz

    Tsk, tsk Ron. Ad hominem attack at the outset? That’s about the oldest trick in the book. It’s almost always a red flag that the name-caller has run out of ammo and that the debate is over. I’d expect more from a man of your obvious intellect.

    Ron, I’m no more a “conspiracy crank” than you, or any number of others are. While I’ve disagreed with your scenario in the past (and still do), it’s not all that different from my recent conjecture. Stripped it its essentials, in fact, I’d argue there’s little difference in that key feature between our conjectures: Each requires a small, covert group deliberately releasing a virus. We just differ on the posited motives.

    You’re wrong about the “earliest” outbreak appearing in Iran; the virus was already well established around the world by then, including in the USA (earliest cases in Jan.) Italy was hardest-hit (in Europe) roughly the same time as the Iran cases. Even if your rogue theory is correct, I continue to fail to understand why Italian pensioners in Bergamo would have been targeted by operatives. Perhaps some of them had served in WW II and the US was just trying to settle some old scores?

    On the other hand, it’s just as the edge of possible that some of the 330,000 Chinese nationals that live and work in Italy might have brought the virus, which by conventional accounts was well established in China. It’s worth noting that Iran has close ties to China. In my opinion, absent firmer proof, a traveller returning from there in early 2020 remains a more plausible vector of the virus than a rogue operation intent on killing some elderly officials.

    We all like to peddle our pet theories. But seriously Ron, you really seem to stick to only certain aspects and ignore or attack others. I’m not the only “victim.” We appreciate the free discussion allowed at your site, but a cynic at times might wonder if you don’t have ulterior motives.

    • Agree: Mehen
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  224. A123 says: • Website
    @9/11 inside job

    Jeffrey Sachs appears to be part of the establishment , don’t expect him to reveal too much.

    As a member of Columbia University, expect Sachs to protect Elite Left academic institutions. Notably he is eager to avoid blowback related to:

    • UNC assisting the development of COVID-19 at WIV
    • The WIV “Blunder” (Sachs exact word) that turned it lose in Wuhan.

    Everyone continues to notice how no one can explain how a “Blunder” in America made it all the way to Wuhan with zero other locations being impacted. Sachs explicit use of the term “Blunder” is only consistent with potential sources in or near Wuhan, such as WIV.
    ___

    China is Iran’s #1 ally. Both countries have business/government organizations including massively powerful SOE’s. It is fairly easy to envision the virus travelling from China to Iran on a non-stop diplomatic flight. Then, quickly impacting older revolutionary leaders with pre-existing conditions.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  225. Methinks the Daily doth protest too much.

  226. @Olivier1973

    Thank you! That’s just the type of response I would expect from one who is obviously antisemitic, racist and probably a transphobe as well. [grin]

    Seriously, kudos for what I assume is an authentic cite. Surely the prolixity of it is consistent with 19th Century German prose.

    Elsewhere here I’ve already commented on the problems of ad hominem. It’s worth mentioning that sometimes it IS logical to use this “fallacy.” A commonly cited example is a paid expert in court. He may indeed be highly credentialed and an expert in his field. But the fact that he’s being paid by one faction necessarily calls into question his impartiality.

    And I might point out that a similar situation goes far to explain much of what’s wrong with our governments?

  227. Ron Unz says:
    @Ben the Layabout

    You’re wrong about the “earliest” outbreak appearing in Iran; the virus was already well established around the world by then, including in the USA (earliest cases in Jan.)

    It’s important to do apples-to-apples comparisons. Wikipedia has a useful timeline of the earliest confirmed Covid cases, and examining it is quite telling:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic_in_February_2020

    The first cases listed for Iran were on February 19th, well after many other countries had reported cases. But those Iranian examples were Covid deaths rather than Covid infections, and given the roughly three week time between infection and death, the first Iranian infections must have been in January, earlier than anything listed.

    Just look at deaths by using Ctrl-F “death.” With the exception of the Iranian cases, all or virtually all the other early deaths are of Chinese people, almost all of them in China itself.

    Northern Italy had 300,000 Chinese, Spain had 150,000, Australia had 500,000, America 5 million, and Canada almost 2 million. Naturally, there were early infections and some deaths in those locations. But Qom had almost no Chinese and its deaths came before any of those other places.

    • Thanks: Ben the Layabout
  228. Mark Hunter says: • Website
    @9/11 inside job

    I’d never heard of Sachs before this covid business bit I gather he’s an establishment liberal whose politics is tax & spend the middle class into oblivion. In that regard he is intellectually corrupt. But some bad guys can come to a point where they say to themselves: this far but no farther. Maybe Sachs reached that point.

    A123 replied to your post and complained that Sachs needs to address why the virus was created and the story behind its release. RU replied to that here. At this point Sachs is focusing on:

    1. The Covid virus was probably created artificially.

    2. Since early 2020 many scientists funded by the U.S. government have been promoting the theory that the virus appeared naturally, promoting it so vociferously that it amounts to a propaganda campaign.

    Only when those points become well-discussed in mainstream intellectual circles can Sachs safely address the question of why the cover-up and consider various possibilities such as the Unz Hypothesis. To do so now might well get him “cancelled.”

    • Replies: @A123
    , @thotmonger
  229. A123 says: • Website
    @Mark Hunter

    Is there a full transcript of the RFKjr interview?

    New Dealer provided some excerpts here:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/challenging-americas-lords-of-illusion-with-a-million-contrary-rumble-views/#comment-5516882
    __________

    The sequence of the discussion in the interview was:

    RFKjr: …Your belief is that the best evidence is that the Covid-19 virus came from a Chinese lab and it was based on US funded technology and I would have to agree with you on that…. 1:35

    JS: …You put it clearly…I assumed it was yet another one of these so-called zoonoses…05:3] I was not in any way on the lab leak side in the beginning… over the period of two years I was lied to so many times [fired Daszak]….none of them have told the truth….something is really really wrong about this…09:00 what is clear about this is that there are two viable hypotheses, and one of them is out of a lab and there is nothing outlandish about it at all, and in fact like you said I think it is the odds-on explanation….

    So Sachs had a chance to object to the “Covid-19 virus came from a Chinese lab”. He did not do so.
    _________

    Blackflag provided this

    32 min: Kennedy talks about transfers of techniques from American to Chinese researchers. Sachs interrupts him to say that we don’t know what was done cause NIAID is DOD and involved in biodefense and everything is classified.

    Instead of being placid. Sachs enthusiastically goes into DEFENSE MODE. He uses the “classification” excuse. However, it is highly plausible that he is concerned about the WIV-UNC-EHA (Eco Health Alliance) relationship.
    __________

    Back to New Dealer

    32:20 a lot of this work is around the biowfare highly classified environment…it’s because of Fauci’s biodefense portfolio…

    RFKJr: An intelligence officer shows up at one of those meetings and says We cannot investigate Wuhan because US intelligence agencies were funding the work over there.

    Again Sachs has the opportunity to intervene in defense of Wuhan. Sachs does not challenge RFKjr at this point.
    _____

    There is an obvious pattern that Sachs is executing.

    • Defending U.S. organizations
    • Carefully *not* defending Wuhan and CCP tied organizations

    Only when those points become well-discussed in mainstream intellectual circles can Sachs safely address the question of why the cover-up and consider various possibilities such as the Unz Hypothesis. To do so now might well get him “cancelled.”

    Again blasting Trump and neocons (The Unz Hypothesis) would be very low risk. Blaming Trump is highly popular among Elite Left institutions such as Columbia.

    Blaming the CCP would threaten MegaCorporations. Allowing blame to flow further to UNC and other Left leaning academia would be a huge cancellation risk. Sachs has to be *cagey* because he believes WIV as Origin is correct, and that accusation could lead to severe personal consequences.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Ben the Layabout
  230. Lysias says:
    @Vonu

    I learned about the biolabs from Kees van der Pijl’s book “States of Exception”.

  231. Lysias says:
    @Ron Unz

    “Wizard of Oz” sure posts a lot on this site. If more than one person posts under that handle, it would be easy to understand how one of them is unaware of what another of them has posted.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  232. Lysias says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    The past couple of years, the US system has been putting a lot of women and black men in what appear to be leadership positions. If anything, they’re now preferred to white men, certainly to white men who are not Jewish.

  233. BlackFlag says:
    @geokat62

    Those are private corporations that are profit-driven with short-term time horizons. And they face no legal consequences. They are very different from the DOD, Pentagon, etc.

    Warfare technology is different. Major powers don’t deliberately share warfare tech with chief rivals. Would USA teach China how to improve their nuclear subs? Well, American scientists did transfer nuclear tech to their chief rival, the Soviet Union, but I think that was an exception relating to the nature of nuclear weapons and the Cold War – the balance of power, communist ideologues. I don’t think anything like that would apply in this case. Of course a rogue scientist might sell the tech.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  234. @mulga mumblebrain

    Dick Hamer, Lindsay Thompson, John Cain, Joan Kirner. .”exquisite malice”!!

    What sort of joke is that?

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  235. @Ron Unz

    I haven’t even bothered to look because you conceded everything when you used the word “speculated”. Sure, I offered a speculation, not necessarily one I gave much weight to. but you seem previously to have relied on overconfident memory.

  236. @Lysias

    No. I have a very good memory but Ron’s once good memory seems to be declining in horsepower.

  237. geokat62 says:
    @BlackFlag

    Those are private corporations that are profit-driven with short-term time horizons.

    The federal government had a number of means at its disposal that would have allowed it to easily put the kaibosh on the Great Labour Arbitrage… it chose not to. No, the master plan was to launch a more interconnected and integrated global economic system, that slowly further eroded the foundations of the sovereign nation state.

    It started with the offshoring of the manufacturing plant, then slowly morphed into the transfer of sensitive technology (R&D), and biotechnology (including bio-weapons research).

    The end game is crystal clear… the dismantling of sovereign states and the hegemony of corporations that allow the few to dominate the many.

    • Agree: Mehen
  238. @Wizard of Oz

    All third-raters at best, hence my ‘incompetence’, the Liberals fully malicious class warriors, the ‘Labor’ hacks Quislings afraid of the money power and the MSM brainwashing cancer. And I raise you Bolte, Bjelke-Petersen, Greiner, Kennett, Morrison, Abbott, Howard etc, ad nauseam.How do you think this country became the sewer it is, ‘safe’ for the likes of you? Whitlam, for example, was competent and decent, but he thought he could reform an irredeemably rotten system, one that terminated him ‘with extreme prejudice’-our last halfway decent leader.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  239. As a dog returneth to his vomit,so doth a fool to his folly.

  240. @Mark Hunter

    At this point Sachs is focusing on:

    1. The Covid virus was probably created artificially.

    That is not really true. The Origins task force was only one of twelve under the Lancet Covid 19 Commission. In their Executive Summary they state:

    This Commission report aims to contribute to a new era of multilateral cooperation based on strong UN institutions…We address this Commission report to the UN member states… multilateral institutions, and multilateral processes such as the G20… Our aim is to propose guideposts for strengthening the multilateral system…

    So this is all New World Order stuff and it is an update on how to improve the methods of control. It has nothing to do with saving lives or improving “public health”.

    Item, under Key Findings (p.2):
    Epidemic control was seriously hindered by substantial public opposition to routine public health measures, such as the wearing of properly fitting masks and getting vaccinated.

    Really? Is it “routine” to wear a mask for two years? Is it routine to get injected with experimental products that were only permitted under an Emergency Use Authorization? And what sense does this even make in the face of incredibly high numbers of “breakthrough cases”, i.e. vaccine failure?

    Item, very next sentence:
    This opposition reflects… low health literacy, lack of sufficient behavioral-change interventions, and extensive misinformation and disinformation campaigns on social media.

    Sounds like Sachs et al. believes that a preference for fresh air and aversion to needles is evidence of “low health literacy”. Sounds like they feel they did not do a sufficient job of terrorizing and brainwashing the people of the world. Sound like they want to find ways to improve on the mass censorship against all sorts of dissent.

    And those are just two of ten examples of extraordinary contradictions on page two of a fifty page report! A report that omits the Sweden experience with Covid 19 that proved many onerous policies were not at all helpful, a report that does not discuss their own horrendous Lancetgate disinformation in regards to effective and economic treatment options… It is all too egregious for words. The aura is benevolent, the thrust is malevolent. Doubt me?

    Item, bottom of page 2:

    Economic recovery depends on sustaining high rates of vaccine coverage….Emergency global financing from the International Monetary Fund… had a salutary role…

    Lukashenko, the president of Belarus, basically said the message to him was ~~”If you do not comply with our edicts, we will cut off financial assistance and CHOKE YOU OUT.”

    True, it would be nice to catch the criminals that may have leaked or released Covid 19. But Ron Unz’s hunch is a hollow red herring until he weighs in on the epic levels of organized malfeasance that have occurred since this mess began.

    • Thanks: Random Anonymous
    • Replies: @geokat62
  241. @mulga mumblebrain

    I stand in awe of your standards. “Third raters” Of course Dick Hamersley wasn’t Chief of Naval Intelligence and Senator like his youngest brother or a Rhodes Scholar like his No.2 brother. He merely topped the Melbourne U Law School and rose to Lt. Colonel after joining up for WW2.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  242. geokat62 says:
    @thotmonger

    Sounds like Sachs et al. believes that a preference for fresh air and aversion to needles is evidence of “low health literacy”. Sounds like they feel they did not do a sufficient job of terrorizing and brainwashing the people of the world. Sound like they want to find ways to improve on the mass censorship against all sorts of dissent.

    … and Ron assures us that Sachs is to be counted among “the Good and the Great.”

    It is all too egregious for words. The aura is benevolent, the thrust is malevolent.

    Well spotted. I’m afraid some may be duplicating this same nefarious strategy.

  243. @A123

    The simplest “hidden agenda” explanation for Sachs’s recent “disclosures” (he’s told the public nothing that wasn’t known, or at least reasonably suspected, two years ago!) is that he is a limited hangout, pretending to come clean. What is the hidden agenda? Simple: lay groundwork for the WHO and other agencies to expand their budgets and powers. You see, there’s all this unsupervised dangerous experimentation going on around the globe, and we need someone to oversee it…

    Even if this were legit, can you imagine any scenario where a UN inspection team knocks on the door at Ft. Detrick, asking to be shown around? UK’s Porton Down? Chinese or Russian labs? Ha ha!

  244. @Ron Unz

    since I don’t have any medical expertise, I’m not sure I’d have much to contribute.

    That didn’t stop you from cheerleading the criminal lockdowns and suggesting it saved a million lives (in California alone?!? Am I remembering that correctly??). But now you soberly and judiciously abstain from suggesting any possibilities other than the experimental injections? Interesting asymmetry.

    Further up, comment #37:

    Exactly. That’s why it’s a division-of-labor situation.

    One might suspect from this and various other comments you have made that your strange positions on Covid and the jabs represent some notion you have of being strategic with regard to truth. E.g. maybe you believe that, by differing substantially from the dominant narrative only on the origin issue, you are somehow conserving your credibility for maximum impact. I’m not saying I believe that’s what you’re doing, but I would consider such an approach to be a good example of being ‘too clever by half’.

    Comment #56, to Greta Handel:

    As far as I can recall, the overwhelming majority of your comments are just complaining about writers and commenters on this website, while almost never providing anything of substance yourself.

    By my count seven of my comments have so far been censored, precisely because of their substance. But none of my polemics against you have been censored. Again, interesting. You seem to want a 3-ring circus.

    • Thanks: Greta Handel
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  245. Ron Unz says:
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    By my count seven of my comments have so far been censored, precisely because of their substance. But none of my polemics against you have been censored. Again, interesting. You seem to want a 3-ring circus.

    This is NOT an anti-vaxxing thread and anti-vaxxing comments are likely to get trashed.

    There are plenty of other places on this website where you can freely rant and rave about vaxxing. Better yet, I suggest that you permanently depart this website and spend your time on one closer to your own interests.

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  246. This is NOT an anti-vaxxing thread and anti-vaxxing comments are likely to get trashed.

    Indeed, any statement of fact relating to the alleged “vaccines” is subject to removal. That said facts are, for the most part, decidedly disconcerting adds a perception of suppression to the mix – which is unfortunate but arguably purely circumstantial.

    In any case, this is a perfectly reasonable policy given that the source article is not devoted to the alleged “vaccines” in the first place.

    Nevertheless, with the article being focused on all the smoke and mirrors surrounding the alleged Corona Chan bug, should we be surprised that the many permutations of the discussion might eventually stray into the subject of the alleged “vaccines” contrived to address that alleged Corona Chan bug? The incidents and allegations spread out far and wide in every direction, after all.

    The problem that we have in any of this discourse is that it’s hard to confine any consideration of the Corona Chan “pandemic” to isolated discussion of the alleged bug and its sponsors. There seems to be an awful lot more going on around and beyond that initial seed of chaos – one might even say, a veritable war for the world.

  247. @A123

    China is Iran’s #1 ally. Both countries have business/government organizations including massively powerful SOE’s. It is fairly easy to envision the virus travelling from China to Iran on a non-stop diplomatic flight. Then, quickly impacting older revolutionary leaders with pre-existing conditions.

    In the absence of confirmed disclosure by whomever the guilty parties might be (and what exactly they were / are guilty of), you present a plausible hypothesis.

    I wonder if 30 years from now – just like the 11 September 2001 atrocity – the general population will be under no illusions as to what really went down, while the official narrative refuses to budge, and war criminals remain immune to any consequences.

    Or will we simply not give a rat’s arse, being in a permanent enslaved state of owning nothing and being happy?

  248. vinteuil says:
    @Ron Unz

    browsing his Commenter Archive, I see that he revealed himself to be someone named Steve Burton.

    Dude, you do realize, don’t you, that doxxing is bad form?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  249. A123 says: • Website

    No one is buying the Lancet’s attempt to protect the CCP: (1)

    it trails off into vagueness when discussing China and cannot even bring itself to mention the Wuhan Institute of Virology by name.

    A number of newspapers, including the United Kingdom’s Express, have actually run with these Chinese talking points. Whether this is out of conviction or just for clicks and giggles is hard to say.

    Now, I’m not surprised the commission pretends not to know that the China virus likely came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. After all, two commission members, Chen Wang and Lan Xue, are from the People’s Republic of China and would have been under orders to make strenuous objections to including any statements critical of China. If the report had deviated from the Communist Party line — that the virus either came from a bat or a US bioweapons lab — they would have been held personally responsible.

    They should never have been on the commission in the first place; they’re not independent actors. Should Nazi camp doctors have been invited to Nuremberg to sit in judgment of Dr. Josef Mengele?

    But why would the commission allow them to insert propaganda into the report?

    Perhaps because it was headed by Jeffrey Sachs, a well-known China apologist. Richard Ebright, a Rutgers University chemistry and chemical biology professor who’s long advocated a truly independent inquiry into COVID’s origins, dismisses this effort as “a cartoonish caricature of a commission.” He points out Sachs has co-authored other puff pieces on China, including one entitled “The Xinjiang Genocide Allegations Are Unjustified.”

    All smart, honest observers need to dismiss the absurd Lancet propaganda piece written by CCP collaborators.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://nypost.com/2022/09/21/lancet-report-continues-the-china-covid-coverup/

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  250. Ron Unz says:
    @vinteuil

    Dude, you do realize, don’t you, that doxxing is bad form?

    Well, that’s who you claimed to be in your comments. But maybe you were lying…

    • LOL: Wizard of Oz
  251. @Ron Unz

    Sometimes people slip up. Best not to point it out.

    • Agree: Ultrafart the Brave
  252. @A123

    This Talmudic Zionazi race-hating troll (pardon the multiple redundancies)truly LOVES spewing its hatred at the Chinese, plainly because they refuse to worship Jews, and treat them as fellow human beings, an audacious act of ‘antisemitism’ that ignores the fact that Jews are ‘God’s Chosen People’. As I’ve said, the idea of declaring 1.4 billion people as Amalekites may be the Zionazis’ final mistake.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  253. @Wizard of Oz

    Dick Hamersley?? A militarist, a Senator for the reactionaries, a Rhodes Scholar like Tony Abbott (I rest my case). Brother topped the Melbourne Law School, so he knew how to defend class interests, and did well in the killing business. Typical ruling class functionaries. I know nothing of their characters, but from their career paths I suspect the worst. My ‘standards’ are BO Jones, Lionel Murphy, Gough, Patrick White, Jack Mundey and a few others. NONE for quite some time, just lots of sell-outs and disappointments. What impresses you and your ilk leaves me cold. There it is.

  254. @mulga mumblebrain

    … a Rhodes Scholar like Tony Abbott …

    In his defence, Tony Abbott was just about the best community role model ever embodied by a member of the political species – active SES volunteer, active Life Guard volunteer, budgie smuggler model, fitness fanatic, etc.

    On the downside, although a promising candidate, he ultimately lacked the talent to manage the top spot in the political arena, and seemed to me to be too loyal to party edicts and the Deep State narrative to be of much utility to the general Australian population.

    Meanwhile, his offsider Joe Hockey proved to be entirely incompetent in the Treasurer role. Wasn’t Joe Hockey one of Schwab’s Young Global Leaders?

    I guess the Rhodes Scholarship occupies a similar credential niche to the Young Global Leaders Diploma.

  255. @mulga mumblebrain

    I have no view on the subject of origins of Covid 19 apart from giving Ron’s theory a 2 or 3 per cent probability rating (but no I won’t offer him 33 or 50 to 1because I can’t be bothered to get my stable boy up in the morning to kep an eye on the training sessions).

    But I am interested to know what would be racist about concluding that the evidence pointed to a Wuhan GoF virus being the origin of the pandemic.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @mulga mumblebrain
  256. @mulga mumblebrain

    Sorry about typo. I see you haven’t tried repeating “third raters”. I had a lunch and a dinner with Gough and enjoyed his company. It would be hard not to like BOJ even if one didn’t actually share his enthusiasms. He must surely have been the first Labor Party President elected to membership of the Melbourne Club!

  257. A123 says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    But I am interested to know what would be racist about concluding that the evidence pointed to a Wuhan GoF virus being the origin of the pandemic.

    Mulga NoBrain is racist against Caucasians. Thus, it is outraged that non-whites are responsible. There is also irrational hatred of Judeo-Christians.

    There is nothing racist about correctly identifying bourgeois CCP Elite responsibility for the WUHAN-19 virus. The CCP also bludgeons down their own Han ethnic, proletariat.

    PEACE 😇

  258. @A123

    There is nothing racist about correctly identifying bourgeois CCP Elite responsibility for the WUHAN-19 virus.

    In the interest of clarity, we’d all like to have everything revealed in black and white, but that entails a risk of misinterpreting events that have been deliberately obfuscated to the Nth degree.

    Whatever the involvement of the Wuhan Class 4 Biolab, all tracks on the Corona Chan trail seem to lead one way or another back to the USA – to characters like Fauci in particular, and (dare I say it) consummate genocidal arseholes like creepy Bill Gates (although that’s just scratching the surface, given the scale of the organisation and resources harnessed for the pandemic exercise).

    Not that such revelations oblige any conclusion that the USA is the originating source of all the villainy – far from it. IMO what now passes for the hub of the American Empire appears to be on the cusp of collapse, an expendable piece in a larger Game of Empires, with a decidedly tribal and very diabolical, even Satanic, dimension to it all.

    Speaking of tribes, it’s interesting that so many of the movers and shakers in what appears to be a supranational cabal claim allegiance to one tribe in particular. To be fair, nothing is what it seems – as they say, don’t throw out the baby with the bath water (but I’d add – best to get those vipers out of the bathtub).

    • Replies: @A123
  259. H. L. M says:

    Dear Ron,

    You associate two clowns (Sachs and Tedros) with “the great and the good” — and explain that they believe the Covid 19 “virus” was artificial and possibly manufactured in an American lab.

    Are you referring to the “Sars Cov 2” “virus” that has never been found?

    Or has it been found and I just didn’t hear about it?

  260. H. L. M says:
    @Ron Unz

    ….he’s (Sachs) an powerful academic insider…

    aka “Deep State”

  261. H. L. M says:
    @geokat62

    Ron (Mr. NYT) Unz will ignore this comment.

  262. A123 says: • Website
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    a decidedly tribal and very diabolical, even Satanic, dimension to it all.

    Speaking of tribes, it’s interesting that so many of the movers and shakers in what appears to be a supranational cabal claim allegiance to one tribe in particular

    Given the involvement of the CCP, the virus name of WUHAN-19 is highly appropriate.

    The Satanic tribe of George IslamoSoros is highly notable. There is little that goes wrong with the world that is not centered in horror that the Anti-Christ Muhammad inflected on humanity. I am open to theories about Islamic JIHAD-19 virus.

    Muslim incompetence released it in Qom. Then JIHAD-19 travelled to China on a non-stop diplomatic flight. So… Yes… You are correct Muhammad’s Tribe should he investigated as the source of the WUHAN-19/JIHAD-19 virus. George IslamoSoros is capable of unlimited evil. Screaming “Allah Ahkbar” (Satan is Greater) while killing in degenerate service to the IslamoGloboHomo tribe is quite common.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  263. vinteuil says:
    @Ron Unz

    Well, that’s who you claimed to be in your comments.

    No, Ron. That is a lie.

    You are lying.

    An extremely malicious anonymous commenter on one of your threads doxxed me. He went so far as to post indentifying information about me, including my workplace – and even a picture of me & my cat!

    You permitted all this.

    And now, years later, instead of apologizing, you double down! You dox me again.

    Are you not ashamed?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  264. Ron Unz says:
    @vinteuil

    You are lying.

    An extremely malicious anonymous commenter on one of your threads doxxed me. He went so far as to post indentifying information about me, including my workplace – and even a picture of me & my cat!

    I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. You “doxxed” yourself:

    You ridiculed me as someone who always spouts the “conventional wisdom” on every important issue. But I seemed to recall that you’d been totally horrified at the contents of my American Pravda series, so I checked the comments you’re written on my own articles and found this one from 2018:

    If this article doesn’t kill unz.com, once and for all, and, along with it, ISteve, than nothing will.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-oddities-of-the-jewish-religion/?showcomments#comment-2419016

    I glanced at some of your other comments, and noticed that in several of them you were urging people to read the articles you’d written for Richard Spencer’s publication:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-kkk-and-mass-racial-killings/?showcomments#comment-1580755

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-kkk-and-mass-racial-killings/?showcomments#comment-1579362

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-kkk-and-mass-racial-killings/?showcomments#comment-1579340

    That made me curious, so I clicked on one of the links and the article you’d linked was by “Steve Burton”

    https://web.archive.org/web/20170706060927/http://www.radixjournal.com/altright-archive/?author=55464d20e4b0bb8a1fbb942e

    Maybe you were lying about being the author of that article. But if you link to your own articles and tell people to read them, I can’t see how it’s “doxxing” you if they do so.

    • Replies: @lysias
    , @vinteuil
  265. @A123

    I am open to theories about Islamic JIHAD-19 virus.

    A wise posture to take – having an open mind is critical to divining the truth, if that is even possible in the current environment.

    [MORE]

    As for Muhammad’s Tribe, I’m non-commital on that subject, given that – on one hand – Satan and his cohort are well capable of presenting themselves as “Angels of Light”, but on the other hand, mystics such as Anne Catherine Emerich said that Muslims and Christians will utlimately combine forces to resist the Anti-Christ (when the penny finally drops).

    And in my experience, Muslims are mostly good people – in the same way as most well-meaning Christians – the common folk, so to speak.

    In contrast, IMO those people behind the Corona Chan campaign and all the associated worldwide mayhem are pure evil – whatever their claimed allegiance, they’ve clearly sold their souls to Satan. These are monsters in human form – they literally torture, kill and eat babies. They cut children’s faces off for fun, and then kill them and eat them.

    Given the involvement of the CCP, the virus name of WUHAN-19 is highly appropriate.

    I believe “Corona Chan” better captures the inherent ambiguity of the alleged bug…

    • Replies: @A123
  266. geokat62 says:
    @A123

    There is also irrational hatred of Judeo-Christians.

    Irrational?

    Introductory paragraph to SEEING THE FOREST by William Pierce:

    Every week I receive a number of letters from listeners who believe that I blame the Jews too much for the destruction of our society. I’m not referring now to the letters from crazed Christian fundamentalists who rave at me about the Jews being “God’s chosen people” and therefore entitled to do whatever they want without criticism. (These pitiful souls tell me, “God’ll get you if you say anything bad about the Jews. Don’t you know that Jesus was a Jew?”).

    • LOL: A123
  267. gnbRC says:

    Why is Mr. Unz ‘steering’ the discussion toward government involvement?

    When one looks at the evidence of COVID vaxx analysis, it could easily be construed that the vaxxes are quite ‘amateuristic’.

    For instance, initial studies of the Pfizer and Moderna vaxxes showed that upon gradual warming from ‘cryogenic’ temperatures, organisms began to animate, leading one to possibly conclude that the initial idea was to directly inject parasites into the human organism on a grand scale. This is a polio vaccine theory for the 1918 flu epidemic.

    Likewise, the analyses of the nano-metallic particulate content seems to point to method of creating autism using the aluminum (i.e., aluminium) adjuvants, which created neuropatholgy in the brain, resulting in autism. This is exactly what the COVID vaxx does, but with a greater variety of metallic nanoparticle ‘contaminants’ there is a concomitant greater variety of neurologic symptoms associated with COVID.

    Further, if the reports of graphene oxide findings are not a misdirection, the toxicity of graphene oxide to humans causing blood clots, etc. was known at least since 1995 (if I remember correctly from the studies performed).

    So, nothing really new on the vaccine technology front – in fact, it’s old technology.

    So, all of these analytical results from available peer-reviews studies seem to point to a gathering of technology to promote long-term disease for humans, to the benefit of the healthcare providers (i.e., organized healthcare crime) strictly for the purpose of making money. Whitney Webb (UnlimitedHangout.com) seems to point in this direction with her expose in RNA for Moderna’s Omicron Booster Manufactured by CIA-Linked Company.

    And anyway, the CIA is an ‘aggregator’ non-governmental organization that will take money from anyone to support its operations, not only the government, but its own operatives and especially those private and international entities with gobs of money. Since the Ukraine biolabs were under CIA jurisdiction, why wouldn’t one think they are behind the entire COVID fiasco?

  268. Sean says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Excuse me , but why can’t China’s bat coronavirus research be characterisd as offensive bioweapons program?

    Martin Rees and Steven Pinker: Wagering on catastrophe https://www.newstatesman.com › uk-politics › 2021/06
    16 Jun 2021 — But Martin had phrased the bet to exclude naturally emerging pandemics, and Steven would not have taken it up if he had included them. Both of …

    Pinker’s bet with Rees was half lost. With Taleb he just lost because Russia is essentially comparable to America in East Europe.

    Comments on Nassim Taleb’s “The Long Peace is a Statistical …https://stevenpinker.com › files › pinker › files › c…
    PDF
    by S Pinker · Cited by 5 — Steven Pinker. I was surprised to learn that Nassim Taleb had a problem with my book The Better Angels of Our Nature, because its analysis of war and …
    4 pages

    The USA never has had and never could have had ‘Full Spectrum Dominance’ over Russia or China. America was unable to stop China going communist, and then attacking an an American army in the Korean war. The war in Vietnam was lost against China and Russia and North Vietnam. Russia dared to attack Ukraine. These are all clear failures to take America seriously as a global hegemon. There are countries, mainly America, that are very strong in their own regions, but that is all.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  269. A123 says: • Website
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    I am open to theories about Islamic JIHAD-19 virus.

    A wise posture to take – having an open mind is critical to divining the truth, if that is even possible in the current environment.

    As for Muhammad’s Tribe, I’m non-commital on that subject

    The chances of this being a ‘tribe’ virus are very small. However, if WUHAN-19 is ‘tribal’ — The only possible tribe is Muhammad’s in Qom.
    ___

    The overwhelmingly most plausible origin is in or near Wuhan. Now that the Military Games are ruled out by timing, we are back to “Patient Zero” at the Wet Market as most likely.

    Which laboratory in the Wuhan region? It is proven fact that WIV was performing Gain of Function research on coronavirus. The only source pontificating about high quality security at WIV, Danielle Anderson, has been debunked as a <iThoughof Function researcher. (1)

    Funding Documents Expose Virologist Danielle Anderson, Once Feted as a “Conspiracy Buster”

    https://disinformationchronicle.substack.com/p/funding-documents-expose-virologist

    For over two years, the virologist posed as a fact checker and biosafety expert on China, without disclosure of grants involving risky gain of function studies

    Given the magnitude of that cover up, citing her testimony as credible on lab security is laughable.

    Every piece of actual evidence points squarely at WIV as Origin. Though, to be fair, there are other dodgy laboratories in the Wuhan region.
    ___

    There is absolutely 0% evidence indicating a ‘tribal’ source in the Middle East (or elsewhere). While it would be mechanically possible for a virus to travel on a diplomatic flight from Iran to China. The timing for this idea is highly improbable. The sequence of events strongly favours transit in the opposite direction.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://dailycaller.com/2022/09/20/danielle-anderson-lab-leak-wuhan-covid-coronavirus-research/

    [MORE]

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  270. lysias says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ellen Nakashima reported in the Washington Post for Sept. 19 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/19/pentagon-psychological-operations-facebook-twitter/) that ” in 2020 Facebook disabled fictitious personas created by Centcom to counter disinformation spread by China suggesting the coronavirus responsible for covid-19 was created at a U.S. Army lab in Fort Detrick, Md., according to officials familiar with the matter.”

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  271. @Sean

    Because offensive biowarfare is something that Exceptional scum like you and your Bosses do, not China. For moral and practical reasons. And if you deny the USA’s ambition for global Full Spectrum Dominance, and the tens of trillions expended pursuing it, and the nearly one thousand foreign bases controlled by the USA (China has ONE)or the vast archipelago of US biowarfare labs scattered around the world (seven or more in Banderastan alone)while China has NONE overseas, then your lying is reaching the usual, end-stage, hysterical hyperbole of the true Imperial troll. All piss, winds, lies and crude projection.

    • Replies: @Sean
  272. @Wizard of Oz

    I see your new amigo, the deranged race-hater A123 is in your corner. Poor Wizz-such company. When the MSM, politicians and proles like you ONLY produce often viciously negative agit-prop concerning China, as if NOTHING good ever happens there, and it is Hell on Earth, one is entitled to speculate as to why such a deranged hatred exists.
    Then one recalls that the West believes itself blessed and superior to ALL other human cultures, because it is the divine outcome of the Judaic tradition of being ‘Chosen’ by God Himself as Holy vessels, or whatever, and the Greeks, who invented everything worthy in intellectual spheres. The other races and cultures are quite inferior of course, and closer to animals in the Judaic understanding of existence and implicit in the history of Western colonial, racism, Imperialism and their current neo- forms.
    Then you simply need to watch the MSM brain-washers, their little dials twisted with distaste and hatred as they peddle outright, FILTHY, lies like the ‘Uighur genocide’ crap or listen to third-raters like the hideous Penny Wong, or her fifth-rate counterparts in the ‘Liberal’ Party, with their arrogant presumption to lecture the Chinese on ‘human rights’ when our treatment of the Indigenous, refugees, welfare recipients, the old in nursing homes, children in ‘care homes’ etc, etc is so fecking ABOMINABLE,and you realise that this rapidly failing State is home to millions of demented and dedicated racists.
    And for them, the prospect of a world where the leading economic, scientific, cultural strength is Chinese, or any other non-Western culture (sorry, India)is an affront to their Gods, their arrogance and their presumption, that MUST be destroyed. Hence the genocidal hatred for a power that never did us harm, but passes us fifty billion a year in trade surpluses, which we give to our US owners in exchange for weapons with which to attack China.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  273. @mulga mumblebrain

    It is quite bizarre that you can’t give up trying to associate me with racism. The only somewhat related non PC aspect of my outlook is that I don’t think Australia should seek immigrants from amongst those with low IQs and no valuable skills. Our ethnic Chinese and educated Indians I am naive enough to welcome as a big plus in a world od declining white IQs. As for the Uighurs I am willing to accept that they are no worse off than the Aborigines of yesteryear who were handed over to missionaries to be civilised. Xi, I hope is transitional if he doesn’t get round to introducing an independent judiciary with entrenched ideas of natural justice and rule of law. But China I could happily live in if my Chinese was up to scratch. Putin’s Russia is something else despite being white. I hope that the hypocritical, ignorant pseudo democracy that is the US still has the power to put an end to the Russian threat.t once and for all.

    BTWEnjoy this from 5 years ago. I may have posted it previously to be met by Ron’s anachronistic scorn for neocons

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  274. vinteuil says:
    @Ron Unz

    I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.

    Really? You don’t even remember the picture of me & my cat, the identification of my workplace, the accompanying abusive remarks, even though it was all posted in one of your own threads, where you were actively participating in the discussion?

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  275. Mehen says:

    Starting to get tired of the Mulga/Wizard/A123 discourse.

  276. Ron Unz says:
    @lysias

    Ellen Nakashima reported in the Washington Post for Sept. 19 that ” in 2020 Facebook disabled fictitious personas created by Centcom to counter disinformation spread by China suggesting the coronavirus responsible for covid-19 was created at a U.S. Army lab in Fort Detrick, Md., according to officials familiar with the matter.”

    Thanks and that doesn’t surprise me. I remember there was a large wave of Internet “chatter” back then claiming that Covid had accidentally leaked out of Ft. Detrick in 2019 and had been circulating in American society for many months before being taken to Wuhan by American servicemen. Supposedly America’s few dozen 2019 Evali/”vaping” deaths that year were actually due to Covid infections.

    The whole theory was pretty clearly just Chinese propaganda retaliation for the Wuhan lab-leak theory then being promoted by Trump and the Republicans. The facts made no sense once you examine the details, but the theory is still firmly maintained by many pro-China or anti-America activists, including those on this website:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/#promoting-a-ft-detrick-lab-leak-as-a-failure-of-nerve

  277. Levtraro says:
    @vinteuil

    You don’t even remember the picture of me & my cat, the identification of my workplace, the accompanying abusive remarks […]

    Yes, but, is your cat OK? Has it been ostracized or otherwise harmed by the other cats?

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  278. Sean says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Because offensive biowarfare is something that Exceptional scum like you and your Bosses do, not China

    Baric got a an Amrican government grant to show the Chinese scientist from the Wuhan Virology Institute how to make a coronavirus highly transmissible between humans, and the the US government gave the Wuhan institute funding to do further work along the same lines. I repeat is it was an offensive bioweapon program in America why was it not when being done in China. Moreover, America would have been giving China the means to retaliate in kind to any coronavirus attack on it by America.

    USA’s ambition for global Full Spectrum Dominance

    You said they had it, not that they aspired to it.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  279. nognverra says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Not MY dreams.
    Either a kayfabe adversary and/or eventually a regular part of the Liberal Democratic system, duly disembedded and mongrelized.

  280. R2b says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Very well!
    That is clear.
    It is thus a bioweapon, creating flu-like symptoms.
    The virus is the result of a cleansing process.
    It is debris from cells.
    So it is NOT a created Virus, it is just poison creating flu-like symptoms.
    Everyone pushing the real existence of a virus, is just supporting the Global Elite Reset.

  281. Everyone pushing the real existence of a virus, is just supporting the Global Elite Reset.

    I am not pushing the existence of a virus. I was stating, in the simplest form, what the Biological Weapons Convention considers a biological weapon. I am well aware of Stefan Lanka`s work and Bernard`s theory of disease.

  282. Why is a story that’s been showboated at least three times since the COVID hoax began, getting spotlighted again? One thing is constant in tabloid news business… story telling meets Amnesia…
    this just in !!! toilet paper wars and brown-out in Cincinnati!

  283. Anon[546] • Disclaimer says:
    @24th Alabama

    In an outdoor cafe on the island of Crete, after a long walk on that dusty road, me and my traveling companion was served snails from the garden. It’s not just a French thing. They were delicious. [not slimy at all].

    • Replies: @loveshumanity
  284. dimples says:
    @Ron Unz

    You might be out of date here. The article quoted is recent:

    Every day there is more evidence that the SARS-2 outbreak began months before the earliest documented Wuhan infections. Why does nobody care?
    Brief remarks on a sensational study from Lombardy, which finds conclusive evidence of SARS-2 infection in a patient sample from 12 September 2019.

    eugyppius
    Sep 16

    https://www.eugyppius.com/p/every-day-there-is-more-evidence

    • Replies: @Mehen
  285. @Anon

    Snails covered in butter, topped with breadcrumbs and maybe a bit of parmesan cheese 😊

  286. Mehen says:
    @dimples

    Already posted a week ago. He’s not interested.

  287. @Sean

    Pedant. They do not have it, yet-China and Russia stand in the way. The Chinese plainly copped to US plans, having been biologically attacked by the USA in Korea, and almost certainly recently with African Swine Fever, which the USA used against Cuba.
    It is offensive when done in the USA because the USA is the MOST demonically aggressive force in history, and defensive in China because China does not seek to rule the world as you and your ilk do.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  288. @Wizard of Oz

    Julia Ioffe-a lying propagandist, but pretty, eh, you old rogue. The tsunami of Western hatred and lies directed at China are plainly racist. Yellow Devils MUST NOT ever supplant proper White Men as the dominators on Earth. You peddle Sinophobic lies, so despite your protestations, I suspect that you are a White Supremacist like most Rightists in Australia. Perhaps it is sub-conscious. PS Life for Uighurs in China is VASTLY better than life for the blackfellas in this brutal racist country.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  289. dimples says:

    Mr Unz refers to the article
    “Conspiracy Theories About COVID-19 Help Nobody” in Foreign Policy as one of these articles that have ‘jumped the gun’ on the Lancet Commission Report.

    After having read it, I can’t really agree with this. The article is essentially a politically inspired hit piece on Sachs but not the Report. The article is written by the virologist authors of a recent Wuhan Market dunnit paper but the article contains nothing about claims of ‘American’ virus etc.

    Its possible that these articles are just really bad journalism written in a hurry and there is no covert orchestration involved. Sach’s views were well known and widely misinterpreted and the journos just assumed that something along those lines would appear in the Commission’s Report, so therefore made it up in advance.

    There is no doubt that there is orchestration against the lab-leak hypothesis coming from Big Science, whose reputation is on the line for the deaths of 18 million people. A similar thing happened with the Oral Polio Vaccine hypothesis for AIDS. China has probably already produced bogus papers and fake viruses such as RaTG-13 to divert attention away from itself.

    In this case however you also have the US and Chinese biowarfare industry disguised as the fake ‘GOF research for better vaccines’ industry. It’s probably only the fact that Sachs is an economist and not a scientist as such that he is doing what he is doing. Sach’s podcast with RFK Jnr is certainly a zinger. No wonder various virologists with fingers in this particular pie were apoplectic

  290. @mulga mumblebrain

    At least you seem to have read what I wrote though I defy you to justify “you peddle Sinophobic lies” in that Comment or anywhere.

    I also invite you to come from behind- ie. apparently not actually having listened to Julia Joffe – to try and justify either main allegation here

    Julia Ioffe-a lying propagandist…….. The tsunami of Western hatred and lies directed at China are plainly racist. Yellow Devils MUST NOT ever supplant proper White Men as the dominators on Earth.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  291. vinteuil says:
    @Levtraro

    is your cat OK?

    Poor old Juno has gone the way of all flesh. She died, at home, naturally, in my arms.

    I miss her a lot.

  292. How does anyone know they have or had covid-19 as there are no valid tests for the virus?Haven’t all the tests been approved under the emergency use authoriztion(EUA)?Have any test been validated in a double-blind study?

  293. @Wizard of Oz

    I know Julia Ioffe from some time ago-a typical Imperial bull-shit peddler. The Real Evil Empire’s Prime Ambition is to destroy China. You are an Imperial troll. You know your duty. QED.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  294. @mulga mumblebrain

    You know her? Wow! Did she ask you to dance?

    Why are you still raving about China? She was talking about Putin and Russia.

  295. MarkJames says:

    I see where Robert Kennedy Jr. has another Covid book set to be in the marketplace prior to Christmas. Who he will pin things on –other than Fauci of course– will be interesting. If you believe that the costs of Covid are simply too big to ever see the real culprit country named (as I do) than you have to be skeptical that RFK Jr. can really deliver on that, in his next work.

  296. @mulga mumblebrain

    It is offensive when done in the USA because the USA is the MOST demonically aggressive force in history, and defensive in China because China does not seek to rule the world as you and your ilk do.

    Your position is quite emphatic, but I have to agree with you.

    The guts of the matter really come down to – who started it?

    [MORE]

    Seems we had a really unusual series of “viruses” sweep through China over the last couple of decades, each coming out of nowhere in multiple locations across China and successively wiping out specific sectors of their agriculture and livestock industries.

    Seems the USA was particularly keen to welcome hordes of both Japanese and German biological weapons scientists – all certified psycopaths and war criminals – into their community, quietly shepherded into domestic clandestine biological weapon programs.

    Seems the USA has a reputation for testing chemical, biological and nuclear weaponry on their own population – without said population’s knowledge or consent.

    Seems the USA has a huge stockpile of not just chemical & biological weapons (which by treaty they were supposed to destroy many years ago – but strangely just point blank refuse to d0… maybe it’s that “rules based order” thing, where everyone but them follows the “rules”) but also of bioweapon laboratories, hundreds of them scattered not just across the USA but also all around the world, and notably clustered all around the borders of both Russia and China. Funny how the Pentagon at first denied the existence of dozens of American bioweapons labs throughout Ukraine, but then when it couldn’t be hidden any more, claimed they are just benign research laboratories working to improve our safety (dozens of them – all across Ukraine).

    And then there’s the thing with Fauci in bed with Big Pharma, the Gates-owned WHO run by a confirmed Ethiopian terrorist murderer with no medical qualifications, and ultimately the WEF run by anti-human Globalist psychos fronted by none other than big fat pompous genocidal billionaire arsehole Dr. Evil himself, Mr. Klaus “you will all own nothing, and you will be happy” Schwab.

    With all that as a backdrop, China is starting to look like incidental road kill in the alleged Corona Chan “pandemic”. A relatively clueless bystander cut down in a crooked scheme culminating in a drive-by shooting – except that this particular unfortunate casualty has money and connections, so the perpetrators better clench their butt cheeks.

    Meanwhile, just so we don’t lose sight of the bigger picture beyond the Corona Chan “whodunnit” saga, let’s not forget it’s apparent purpose (seriously, all of this effort for nothing? James Bond died for this shit) – the alleged Corona Chan bug has been used as a Trojan Horse to kick off a larger campaign, just the opening campaign in a war for the world. Here’s some current guff from Martin Armstrong, who keeps a steady eye on the bigger picture, and BTW, Socrates has never been wrong

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/canada/canada-to-end-vaccine-mandates/

    Anyone who thought the alleged Corona Chan “pandemic” was noteworthy and deserving attention, should maybe step back and see where the Ukraine thing is now headed – with the Nord Stream 1 & 2 pipelines having just been blown up (I wonder who might have done that, with relevant American assets lurking in the immediate vicinity, hmmm? With “friends” like these…). Watch now as Germany and the rest of Europe freeze their arses off for years and their economies very rapidly implode around them in the coming months. Famine, pestilence and war, all neatly packaged up in a gift to the world from the Exceptional Nation (but wait – who’s that behind the curtain?).

    The alleged Corona Chan “pandemic” was just the opening campaign – now a new kind of “contagion” has been triggered, but the self-evident end objective remains the same.

    • Replies: @9/11 inside job
  297. @Ultrafart the Brave

    “who started it”? How about BillGates?

    • Replies: @9/11 inside job
  298. @9/11 inside job

    Dr.Mercola:”Busted: 4 dozen interviews throw Bill Gates under the bus”.

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