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Dr. Sarah Cody. That’s the name of a local government employee probably unknown to almost everyone reading this. Yet I think there’s a good chance that a million or more Americans will owe her their lives. And therein lies a tale…

Last Tuesday President Donald Trump announced that he expected to lift most health restrictions recently imposed due to the Coronavirus epidemic and send the country back to work by Easter, a possibility that shocked and horrified nearly all mainstream health professionals.

No need to worry, I said. I predicted that the exponentially-growing Coronavirus death toll in his home city of New York would have reached such horrifying levels by Easter that his Wall Street friends would persuade him to “pivot” away from such a foolhardy proposal.

At the time I made that prediction, Coronavirus deaths in New York were running at around 50 per day, and they soon jumped to 140 per day, then reached 209 in a 24-hour period by Saturday. Wall Street Wizards are quite familiar with exponential growth, the fundamental basis of compound-interest, and presumably they began to notice what was happening outside their own windows. So on Saturday, Trump announced that rather than any relaxation, he was instead considering an unprecedented federal quarantine of the entire State of New York as well as adjoining parts of of New Jersey and Connecticut, though he later backed down under fierce pressure. Just five days had made all the difference in the world.

The unimaginable human disaster now facing our country has several obvious roots. Our oceans had protected our home front from any attack during the two world wars while modern medicine had rendered disease epidemics a fading memory for three generations. Our arrogant and incompetent national leadership simply could not comprehend the possibility that their missteps might actually kill hundreds of thousands or millions of Americans. Moreover, our mainstream media was equally oblivious, and even if they had sounded the alarm, they had hysterically cried wolf so many times about so many ridiculous things that nobody would have taken them seriously.

But an important contributing factor is surely the inability of most individuals to grasp the unusual dynamics of an exponentially-growing process. In such a situation, seemingly insignificant delays can have enormous consequences.

Let us consider a very simple example in which two similar cities each happen to have 1,000 Coronavirus infections, with a doubling-period of 3 days.

Suppose that the first city immediately implements a complete lock-down, thereby drastically reducing the spread of the disease, and then uses that window of opportunity to track down and temporarily quarantine all the infected. Assuming a 1% death rate, 10 total fatalities will result.

Now suppose the second city takes exactly the same approach, but merely delays implementing the policy for a single week. During that lost week, the number of infected will grow to 5,000, and the resulting five-fold increase in cases requiring hospitalization may overwhelm the local health care system, thereby increasing the death rate to 5%. The result is 250 fatalities. So the delay of a single week has increased the death toll by a factor of 25.

 

I live in Palo Alto, and every now and then I see a squirrel wander into the middle of a street, then remain frozen in fear as an approaching car bears down upon him. Almost invariably, the squirrel leaps away to the nearby pavement at the last moment, saving its life. But occasionally I have noticed the remains of a youthful squirrel who did not react in time.

For a month or two, our national government and its top health officials seemed similarly paralyzed with horror as they began to recognize the oncoming locomotive of a deadly disease rapidly approaching them. But during this crucial period, they did little or nothing and vast numbers of Americans may die as a consequence.

The Coronavirus is extremely contagious and once it has significantly established itself within a community, the only effective means of halting the rapid spread is through a full social lock-down. This approach had been especially necessary in America, given our woeful lack of adequate testing capabilities.

China completely locked down and quarantined the city of Wuhan at a point when only 300 detected infections and 17 deaths had occurred, thereby strictly confining all 11 million residents to their homes. Not long afterward, similar measures were applied to the 60 million residents of the surrounding province of Hubei, and later extended to include some 700 million Chinese across the country, a medical quarantine perhaps a thousand times larger than any such previous effort in human history.

These remarkable Chinese actions shocked and astonished many observers around the world, certainly including myself. But they succeeded brilliantly, and China seems to have almost entirely stamped out the deadly disease at the final cost of just a few thousand deaths. Millions perhaps even tens of millions of Chinese owe their lives to the decisiveness of their bold and courageous national leadership.

 

China and America have different political systems, each with its own strengths and weaknesses. The ruling Chinese Communist Party can impose by immediate fiat national policies that are almost unimaginable under America’s Constitutional system, and order these implemented at speeds that seem impossible to us.

I was aware of no precedent in modern American history for locking down a major city for health reasons, an action that appeared completely contrary to our widespread notions of civil liberties and constitutional rights. Moreover, during January and February various anti-China pundits had had a field day attacking and vilifying “totalitarian China” for shutting down its entire economy and confining so many hundreds of millions of its citizens to their own homes, thus rendering it seemingly impossible for any American political leader to propose similar measures.

ORDER IT NOW

With so little testing and a three week lag-time between infection and death, only the tiniest sliver of the gigantic Coronavirus iceberg bearing down on the U.S.S. America was visible to the public, and our insouciant mainstream media paid almost no attention to this terrible oncoming danger. Therefore, I regarded it as almost inconceivable that America’s dysfunctional government would take such difficult steps quickly enough to halt the spread of the disease before it became fully endemic and uncontrollable.

My own Santa Clara County was then the national epicenter of the Coronavirus outbreak, and the local morning newspapers carried more and more indications of its rapid, almost invisible spread, with a couple of firefighters testing positive one day and a few TSA workers found infected the next. I assumed this pattern of reports would continue and grow exponentially until California was entirely submerged by the rapidly approaching tsunami wave of disease.

But then on Monday, March 16th a miracle occurred. With no prior warning or public discussion, Santa Clara County Public Health Officer Dr. Sarah Cody and her counterparts from five other SF Bay Area counties announced that they had issued a “Shelter in Place” order, their somewhat euphemistic term for a full regional lock-down. Effective at midnight and lasting three weeks all non-essential businesses would be closed, all large public gatherings prohibited, and all residents required to spend their time at home, with certain reasonable exceptions. This directive covered seven million California residents. If anything similar had ever happened in American history, I’m certainly unaware of it.

My own sense of relief was enormous and I suspect very widely shared since I did not hear a single word of criticism from any source. Instead, a day or two later huge Los Angeles County adopted a similar policy, and a couple of days afterward, Gov. Gavin Newsom extended the order to the entire state. Health officials had warned him that without such prompt action, more than 25 million Californians could become infected over the following couple of months, probably producing a million deaths. So 40 million Californians joined the lock-down.

New York, Illinois, and numerous other states soon implemented similar policies, so that well over 200 million Americans are now following the trail blazed by Dr. Cody and her colleagues, “sheltering-in-place” to block the spread of the Coronavirus.

But in any exponential process of disease propagation, timing makes all the difference in the world. Last month, my own Santa Clara County was the American center of the epidemic, while the first New York death did not even occur until March 14th. But our lock-down came several days before that of New York, and as demonstrated above, a week’s delay can easily raise the relative death toll by a factor of 25, or perhaps far more if a local outbreak becomes uncontrollable. Based upon the data I’ve seen, I hope that Santa Clara County can escape with just a few hundred fatalities, while I fear that the death toll in New York may be in the many tens of thousands or even higher.

At this stage, no one can easily predict how many Americans may die from the Coronavirus by early summer, and perhaps some miracle drug will come along quickly enough to change the situation. But otherwise I think the epidemic may eventually produce the greatest death toll of any event in our entire national history. Yet whatever the final figure, that total would have been vastly greater without the wave of rolling lock-downs launched by the SF Bay Area counties two weeks ago.

Politicians are a timorous lot, rarely willing to take the lead on highly controversial decisions. Once Santa Clara County and its neighbors had locked down their populations with absolutely no political backlash, the rest of California and America felt confident enough to quickly follow. But if Dr. Cody had not taken that decision, any national lock-downs might have been delayed for week or two, while every week’s delay might have raised the death-toll by a considerable factor. I think there’s a good likelihood that Santa Clara County Public Health Officer Dr. Sarah Cody may have saved a million or more American lives, probably more than anyone else in our entire national history.

My own impression of this historic event is probably not unique. Even as I was finalizing this piece on Sunday, I discovered that half the front page of my local San Jose Mercury News was devoted to the story of Dr. Cody and her crucial decision, with the story appropriately entitled “The Doctor Who Shut It All Down.”

Under a decaying and decadent political system, there is often a dangerous tendency to select public officials based upon ideological factionalism or the blandishments of self-interested lobbies. During normal times, this may lead to the sort of inefficiency and corruption that saps the strength of a society, but during a severe crisis, survival itself may be at risk. Until a couple of weeks ago, I had never even heard of Dr. Sarah Cody, but I am greatly relieved that my local officials are still appointed based upon the highest standards of meritocratic competence. The contrast with America’s national government could not be greater.

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  1. 343 GIs Have Coronavirus, None Died

    There are no elderly or persons with serious health problems in the US military. So most are told to stay home for two weeks and they are fine.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/27/coronavirus-update-pentagon-reports-more-than-600-cases-and-2-deaths.html

    I was watching a video from Dr. Stephen Greer MD. He said that nearly everyone will eventually get this virus, it will float around for years. The current effort is to spread out the infection rate over a year so hospitals can treat sickly people who contract the disease. Otherwise they may be overwhelmed and lack the needed ventilators to save lives. He does say this is one of the most deadly stains so those vulnerable must be careful.

    I say why not “lock down” those age 70 and older, like no airline or bus travel? Let younger get back to work at places like restaurants, but use the posted fire code capacity and say only half as many people can come inside and chairs must be six feet from other tables. Reopen the schools, except for sickly children and teachers, and with no recess but staggered lunch times.

  2. FB says: • Website

    Good article…

    There have been literally thousands of retarded comments on this website that the whole coronavirus thing is a hoax, or that it is overhyped etc…

    The simple fact is that we just don’t know how bad it could get if we just continued going about business as usual…better safe than sorry…

  3. It is said the Coronavirus becomes inactive once the temperature reaches 30C./86F., so, let’s hope summer arrives early.

    Although the Trump regime hesitated, it’s still better than what happens in Japan, where you’re only admitted to a hospital when you’ve had a fever for 4 or more days, but even then, the hospital might send you back home. China and South Korea have shown the world how to [effectively] deal with this medical calamity.

    May everyone stay healthy and safe.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Andrew P
    , @mike99588
  4. Huskynut says:

    Nice column, Ron.

    Now, just imagine if Western governments invested a (sizeable) fraction of their warfare budgets into planning and prepping for civil emergencies, along with discussing and gaining the social buy-in to prepare their populations to respond positively in a non-military emergency.

    I’m certainly struggling to my core to believe any of the official channels and MSM around Covid. The virologists may be right this time, but the last 20 years of BS from 9/11 through Russiagate, the Skripals, the MH17 shootdown etc etc ad nauseum makes my intellectual immune system automatically reject the mainstream “truth” (hence looking to non-MSM sites for alternate perspectives).

    I realised today that my personal social compact with the (NZ) government was basically dead – I no longer trust them to represent my best interests. A vast change in perspective over a few short years.

    Regardless of how Covid turns out, I suspect the next few months may be the nail in the Western political coffin. Some relationships are so broken they can’t be repaired..

  5. How will you know if the decision to lock down was wrong? What would you accept as evidence?

    Sweden has not chosen the lockdown. They have restricted large public gatherings, but kept schools open. If Sweden does not suffer a disaster, does that invalidate the lockdown?
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52076293

  6. Biff says:

    Our mainstream media was equally oblivious, and even if they had sounded the alarm, they had hysterically cried wolf so many times about so many ridiculous things that nobody would have taken them seriously.

    And therein lies another tale. How many still don’t trust the media? Even in the midst of a pandemic? I know I don’t…

    • Agree: John Henry, Johnwho, Spanky
    • Replies: @Wally
  7. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:

    Cody acted March 16. Unz calls her bold and a hero who says a million people. What does that say about Trump who in January, more than 6 weeks prior to Cody’s action, recognized there was a problem and instituted a ban of people coming from China as well as a quarantine on those who had?

    • Agree: Wally, Charles
    • LOL: L.K, Cassandra
  8. M_Young says:

    Three days after Trump declared a national emergency.

    I mean, good on her. But hardly ahead of the curve.

    And, btw, why is your county so hard hit…could it be the 38% mostly fairly recent Asian immigrant population?

    • Replies: @TrudeauSux
    , @Puffdaddy
  9. Anonymous[323] • Disclaimer says:

    Ron Unz, this week the HCQ+ZPACK+ZINC treatment is going to break through and begin the utter demolition of the witch corona.

    The beginning of the end is here and now.

    All doomer prognostications will be rendered moot. Cease and desist with the doomsday numbers. Doom is off the table.

    Didier Raoult has been killing it (literally killing the bug dead) for many weeks in France and Zelenko followed his lead and has been killing it in NY.

    The tide has turned. Today is like 1942 when the Axis actually lost the war and the next three years were mop up operations.

    Watch the curve in NY flatten starting this week. There is a swarm of doctors around the country who’ve begun the Raoult treatment and early reports are excellent. The guys on Bannon’s warroom have good inside info listen to first half of Episode 81…..

    So many anecdotals on twitter this week. The evidence is all over the internet. Above the radar we have multiple celebs/politicians mysteriously healed while there’s a giant scandal under the radar of doctors hoarding the “Trump meds”….. did you not read the Mar 26 letter from Craig Smith head of surgery at Columbia? He gives the game away. Read the tea leaves dude:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUEPRf6WsAE5ZDw?format=jpg

    Within ten days both idiot governors of NV and MI will be forced to rescind their bogus restrictions on HCQ.

    The history books will say the decisive battles were won in Didier Raoult’s hospital first quarter 2020 and from here it will be an extended period of mop up operations.

  10. A123 says:

    Our mainstream media was equally oblivious, and even if they had sounded the alarm, they had hysterically cried wolf so many times about so many ridiculous things that nobody would have taken them seriously.

    100% Correct — Media is the problem. Globalist Media firms hate Trump, the Constitution, and America.

    Trump stated true fact. There are promising results from chloroquine, but it may or may not work. The dishonest Globalist Media such as CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo…. tried (and failed) to blame Trump for the death of someone who ingested an aquarium cleaner with a similar name. (1)

    Trump stated an optimistic hope. He hoped that it would be possible to begin lifting restrictions by Easter. That hope has not come to pass, and the Trump administration has extended restrictions. Optimism is an unwritten part of the President’s duties, keeping and building hope among U.S. Citizens.

    The Globalist Media propaganda machine repudiates the concepts of hope, optimism, integrity, and honesty. The *Media Lied*, when they intentionally changed “Trump’s hope” to “would” and further on to “must”. Then with the bogus straw man set, the Globalist hoax about a non-existent “restrictions must end” policy was launched. Again, the Globalist Media tried (and failed) to undermine the Constitution with their hoax.

    When will the Media start telling the truth instead of pushing the DNC’s anti-American, Globalist, Elite 1% agenda?

    PEACE 😷
    _______

    (1) https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/10849369-181/aquarium-cleaner-kills-arizona-man

    • Replies: @mark green
    , @padre
  11. Pft says:

    Well, Dr Fauci is one of the authors of a paper published in New England Journal of Medicine, March 26, “Covid-19 — Navigating the Uncharted”:

    “If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968)…”

    There were no shut downs in 1957 or 1968. Deaths exceeded 100, 000 in a population half our current size. Dr Faucis latest estimate 100-200k dead in US. Nothing to sneeze about but then no reason for lock downs. After it runs its course everyone will have been exposed and will be immune or partially immune to subsequent outbreaks (assuming it goes endemic unlike SARS).

    Of course lockdowns will occur because there is an agenda. The disease will take a breather as warmer weather comes like the flu and other cold viruses. Lockdowns will take the credit, and will be brought out again more often, probably as early as next fall, until the experimental vaccines are ready to roll out and mandatory vaccinations implemented.

    Everyone will be rushing out to buy 5G so they can avoid the slower streaming speeds during the next lockdowns, so Big Telecom, Big Pharma and Technocrats win big, not to mention Big Businesses who will receive hundreds of billions if not trillions for their cooperation in the Big Fix.

    And best of all the next Depression , inevitable as it was, gets blamed on a cold Virus and not the Fed, politicians or the Big Banks (the worst kinds of virus). Trump wins by a land slide for saving the day, Bibi survives, etc. Everyone who counts wins, especially Big Brother.

    In the interests of Public Health Security, there will be no freedoms left as we fight the War against the new Terrorist, King Corona. Like the GWOT there will be no end because there are so many viruses being subject to gain of function research so we can prepare a vaccine should they be released. Sounds like a racket because it is.

  12. jsinton says:
    @FB

    Most people can’t afford to be “safe”. Most people live hand to mouth, and can’t take a couple days off, much less weeks. Times that by 7 billion and you’ve got the end of the days.

  13. Huskynut says:

    Ron,
    Are you in any position to collate the relative merits of arguments to two key questions around this? The statistical analysis of all virologists depends entirely on the quality of the underlying data.
    There’s been a lot of discussion around underlying infection rate given lack of testing coverage, and also of fatality rate, ie the causality in dying with Covid as opposed to dying from it.
    My statistical concerns are around the results of testing, specifically:
    1. Are the tests being deployed (most?, some?, all?) accurate and specific to Covid-19? As articles like this (https://www.globalresearch.ca/manufactured-pandemic-testing-people-any-strain-coronavirus-not-specifically-covid-19/5707781) imply they are simply indicating the presence or absence of a corona virus, which if true would make it statistically useless for projection purposes.
    2. The Chinese were certainly the first to identify and label Covid-19. The mainstream virology models of replication and spread (as far as I can tell) are all assuming the Wuhan outbreak was the source and timing of the global outbreak. A variety of articles (inc on the Unz site) question the possibility of whether the infection was circulating earlier in 2019 (but yet unidentified/unlabeled).

    I don’t have a horse in this race, but if either of those two premises were true, the virology models of the mainstream would have to be radically questioned. If you’re aware of any clear/solid information on these, could you link via your articles?

  14. anon[225] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8163761/Chinese-markets-selling-bats.html

    Will they ever learn? Chinese markets are still selling bats and slaughtering rabbits on blood-soaked floors as Beijing celebrates ‘victory’ over the coronavirus

    Article contains choice pics of cages packed with cats and dogs, waiting to be blow-torched to death.

  15. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @TomSchmidt

    Sweden has not chosen the lockdown.

    Even without a lockdown, Swedes are not a touchy-touchy people.

  16. Believing the Chinese is as naive as believing the media and the American gubmint.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Disagree: Ann Nonny Mouse
  17. bolteric says:
    @Huskynut

    Well, they got our attention now. Ron did in fact for me. I was laissez-faire until I read that Ron was not regarding this a hoax, unlike the other Ron, Paul that is.

    Saving lives should be part of the job description of any politician. We can blame our political system of liberty for the spiraling out of control – today. Tomorrow, we can hopefully find some unity and share a happy destiny. For that reason, I like my position of staying neutral on Trump. In 10 weeks it may be appropriate to cast more judgment, a la Phil Giraldi. In 10 years it may be appropriate to write a definitive history. But maybe we will never know what triggered this world event – perhaps it was man-made. It is heartbreaking to live with the consequences either way.

    Heroism aside, this is a very difficult time and hopefully we all can stay safe and keep our eyes open.

    Thanks to Mr. Unz for helping keep the media – perhaps the biggest reason we are in this mess – Honest.

    • Replies: @Huskynut
    , @Earl T
  18. Anon[197] • Disclaimer says:

    Huh shilling for the ChiComms…

    This psyop, as usual, has been hinted at for at least a year and even had a couple practice runs. All the people in the medical field calling this as a fraud or way overblown are being disappeared and erased into oblivion.

    Psychology of mass hysteria will itself create death as people believe it, on top of assigning almost every death to this covid by the establishment as per their orders.

    The only question is what was this about? One big thing? Multiple things?

    • Agree: Just another serf
    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
  19. utu says:
    @Daniel Rich

    “China and South Korea have shown the world” – Taiwan is the best and Japan was next. Taiwan probably had the best intelligence on what really was going on in China and at the same time was at highest risk as there were hundreds of thousands Taiwanese in China and finally our media are intimidated by China to write too much and too well about Taiwan.

    • Agree: foolisholdman
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @dogbumbreath
  20. Miro23 says:

    I may be wrong, but mammals and viral pandemics have been together for millennia, and the way that this arms race works itself out (even given modern medicine) is that viruses are controlled through mammal populations getting infected and building immunity.

    The current reaction saves lives now but at great cost: 1) as AaroninMVD says, no business is non-essential to people depending on it for their livelihood 2) when the Coronavirus returns next year and no one has immunity, do you shut down the economy again?

    Maybe it’s a political problem. The modern West could have reached a point where it requires a safe space for everyone from everything immediately. Governments could have opted to only extend protection to high risk groups (over 70’s with existing medical problems) and kept everyone else working.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @Huskynut
  21. anon[256] • Disclaimer says:

    Mr wRONg strikes again. When this is done will you admit you were wrong? or will you keep dragging up obscure Govt officials who ‘saved the day’?

    • Agree: Alfred
  22. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    Have you read Craig Smith’s letter that you linked? He dismisses the hype about HC & A.

  23. A123 says:
    @Huskynut

    Ron,
    Are you in any position to collate the relative merits of arguments to two key questions around this? The statistical analysis of all virologists depends entirely on the quality of the underlying data.

    I do not want to speak for Mr. Unz. However, that is a bit “over the top” as a request. No one has sufficient & accurate data to cover all scenarios.

    The simple Unz model put forth seems to:
    — Work well for predicting General Populations
    — Overestimate where one-off granular conditions exist (WA nursing home, New Orleans Mardi Gras)
    How a method is used is often more important than the model. It is possible that I skipped a technicality about granular events.

    The Chloroquine/Azithromycin [CQ/AZ] combo looks like it will “Cut the Top Off the Curve” by reducing hospital admissions. This should yield similar results to the restrictions associated with “Flattening the Curve”. Hopefully one of the statistics focused authors (hint — AE) here will look at that in more mathematical detail.

    Supply & Distribution may be an issue. Israel’s Teva shipped 6MM doses of CQ to the U.S. I have heard nothing about how that was allocated and made available.

    PEACE 😷

    • Replies: @FLgeezer
    , @Huskynut
  24. Alfred says:

    25 million Californians could become infected over the following couple of months, probably producing a million deaths

    Complete and utter nonsense Mr Unz. I am astounded at your naivety.

    Before bandying about any such statistics, it is necessary to examine what testing actually means. It is not at all what you seem to think it means.

    The test is not for this virus at all. It is for all coronaviruses – there are over 100.

    Manufactured Pandemic: Testing People for Any Strain of a Coronavirus, Not Specifically for COVID-19

    Stopping people from working and getting on with life is going to kill far more young people than the number of infirm that this virus might speed up the death of.

    Here is a video from Berlin – where the authorities claim a massive number of infected. The hospital is empty.

    • Agree: Delta G, Will
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @James Scott
  25. refl says:
    @Huskynut

    I realised today that my personal social compact with the (NZ) government was basically dead – I no longer trust them to represent my best interests. A vast change in perspective over a few short years.

    In March 2014 I have declared myself no longer answerable to my government and to the International Community ™. I should have done it earlier. Therefore, this trashtalking of the Greatest Catastropy ever to hit the world passes me by.

    Over the next couple of months, many millions of subjects of the western empire will not die, but they will wake up.

    As for this article, it should be enshrined in the anals of the Unz Review. It marks the Yellow cake from Niger moment of our host, and I hope that he will come to dissect it in a couple of weeks from now and explain his delusion.
    It is endearing to see that even great minds do not escape the mass psychosis.

    • Replies: @Gordon Pratt
  26. anonguy says:

    When the Bay Area lockdown was announce, I watched an interview with Cindy Chavez of Santa Clara county.

    I was very impressed. People like this come to the fore in a crisis.

  27. danand says:

    “But then on Monday, March 16th a miracle occurred. With no prior warning or public discussion, Santa Clara County Public Health Officer Dr. Sarah Cody and…”

    Ron, I wholeheartedly agree with you in thanking Dr. Cody for her quick action. It may have helped that she is a Stanford University grad. Stanford, using their own in house developed SARS-CoV-2 test, determined and announced, they had an infected faculty member. In response they told the world on March 7th, that Stanford would be suspending all on campus activity. That shook Santa Clara Valley like an earthquake.

    The other Silicon Valley universities soon followed suit. On the 10th, Cisco closed all its buildings, all SV employees switched to “work from home”. Many other large SV based companies followed that policy within days.

    Dr. Cody was paying attention, and decisively took the appropriate action.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @anonguy
    , @Wally
    , @hetro
  28. @FB

    We just don’t know how many of the deaths reported were actually genuine and if they were even directly attributed to this particular strain of Corona virus. I suspect that it is just a very bad flu and not nearly serious enough to not only practically destroy the economy but also to open the doors wide open to allow government totalitarianism.

    Just as the extraordinary short-selling of certain stocks prior to 9/11 was a clear indication of foreknowledge and thus of a criminal conspiracy, now the prior, extraordinary amounts of resignations of top-level CEOs and the massive dumping of stocks by those in the know would seem to be evidence of foreknowledge of this event too.

    That the lying media “doth protest too much” is also very telling and when have they ever been truthful regarding major events?

    The total shut-down “cure” would seem to be a case of killing the patient in order to kill the disease. What will be the effect on the rate of suicides as families, businesses and plans for the future crumble and turn to dust? How many people will die from the resulting poverty and homelessness? It is interesting that Sweden has opted for a 180* different remedy and Swedes have always shown a greater interest in doing what is best for the greater good of society than the US ever has.

    And then there is the drill conducted by the Gates Foundation, I smell rodents at work.

    Judge Judy says that if something doesn’t make sense then it is nonsense. I would suggest that this is a media/economic/geopolitical event and people are going along with it like lambs to the slaughter.

    • Agree: Richard B, Will
    • Replies: @2stateshmustate
  29. Kim says:
    @anon

    He never need admit he was wrong, even when millions don’t die, because “who knows what might have happened if we had not acted with prompt hysteria?!”

  30. @FB

    It’s not ‘safe’ to stop the economy for 6 months, at least not for 0.2% of under 60s at risk of death. It would have been safe to quarantine the sick and elderly, and continue on for the rest.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Hail
  31. Tor597 says:
    @Anon

    Lol. Big man Trump doing what he could to stop the pandemic.

    He literally did the bare minimum.

    The problem with Trump is that he knew even more info than Dr. Cody did far sooner. But he hesitated because he did not want to hurt Wallstreet or his own business.

    To shut down the whole country would have saved America, but devastated the stock market and his hotels. Trump hesitated because he is weak and only cares about himself.

    He could have still come out on top by bailing out the people instead of Walstreet. But again, he only cares about himself.

  32. SafeNow says:

    “the “Trump meds”….. did you not read the Mar 26 letter from Craig Smith head of surgery at Columbia? He gives the game away. Read the tea leaves dude:”

    He says the drug trials could be done “very fast.” OF COURSE he is not quantitative. He is a surgeon, not a PhD in medical statistics / drug-study design. And neither are any of the other drug-study opiners, Fauci included. This is America 2.0 on display; Incompetence, a relaxed performance standard, hubris, and the corruption of politics. This has been operative for three months. And it will BE operative in the future, including the vaccine-finding process. The unraveling into America 2.0 is the root of the derisory response, everything else the branches and leaves. Almost everyone knows why this unraveling occurred.

  33. Alfred says:
    @FB

    better safe than sorry

    When there is a global economic collapse due to the panic that you are promoting, you will be very sorry indeed.

    Who is more important in your opinion?

    1- People with pre-existing serious medical conditions and/or with weak immune systems.

    2- Young healthy and vigorous people who work and procreate. People who care for those in the first category.

    You have chosen option 1. But I prefer option 2.

    You, and a great many others, have made your bed and now you will be compelled to lie in it. Sadly, I will be forced to witness this and to also suffer the consequences. We don’t live in a risk-free world and we never have.

  34. Tor597 says:
    @Anonymous

    The problem is, even if Hydroxychloroquine does work, it is in limited supply.

    And once it is proven as a cure, everyone in the whole world will want it just in case they get sick.

    Facemasks, which are much easier to produce are still in short supply months after we knew there was a shortage. But drugs are much harder to scale up.

    India, the main source of this ingredient put an export ban on the drug because they want to ensure enough of a supply for their entire country.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  35. Aqualung says:
    @FB

    Oh, we will be sorry alright. It’s government over reach that’s about to go exponential.

  36. Alfred says:
    @Huskynut

    I realised today that my personal social compact with the (NZ) government was basically dead

    I was living in Australia, but I realised that some time ago. My Chinese childhood friend moved from NZ to Brisbane. I guess he was well-informed.

    As soon as NZ elected Jacinda Ardern, I realised that it was going from bad to worse. She was a “Special Advisor” to Tony Blair when he was busy lying about the reasons for going to war against Iraq. Everyone in number 10 knew very well what was going on. She is also a war criminal. Of course, it did wonders for her career.

    Her Jewpedia entry glosses over that period of her life. It does not mention when she started working for Blair – only that she was magically elected President of the International Union of Socialist Youth in 2008.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacinda_Ardern

    Just watch this female psychopath spew obvious lies:

    Jacinda Ardern: I didn’t want to work for Tony Blair

    • Replies: @Huskynut
    , @Z-man
    , @Cowboy Shaw
  37. @Anonymous

    Even without a lockdown, Swedes are not a touchy-touchy people.

    A significant portion of the “new Swedes” from “Syria” (i.e. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Libya, Syria, etc) like to touch, grope, grab, punch, kick, rape, or stab. As for their hygiene, it is not likely to be conducive to flattening the curve unless it’s the curve representing the population of elderly old Swedes.

    • Replies: @TrudeauSux
  38. Milton says:

    Excellent commentary by Francesco Lamendola on this crisis. I have tried to translate as best I could:

    “Now, At Least, Things Become Clearer:”

    “We must ‘thank’ the Coronavirus because, in this emergency situation, finally things have become much clearer: it is in moments of crisis, in fact, that the naked truth of people emerges and you can see who is made of wax and who is made of flesh and blood.

    [MORE]

    We thought we were living in a democracy. Now we have discovered that a Mr. X can close Parliament with a stroke of the pen and lock up sixty million people at home, and no one dares to say ‘Bah!’: no one, from the President of the Republic downwards. Not even Mussolini had gone that far. We observe, incidentally, that if Salvini had still been in government, those same people who now invoke the state of necessity, dura lex, sed lex, would have started squawking like ducks, denouncing with loud shouts and fiery words his attack on democracy and establishment of a dictatorship.

    We thought we had a public health service at European level, for which we pay top taxes, and we discovered that we had a Third World health service, with a number of beds, intensive care equipment and even antibacterial masks for medical and nursing staff, ridiculously inferior to the needs of an emergency situation. Which objectively is not particularly dramatic: we are not in the presence of a pestilence, but of a slightly worse influenza than usual and which spreads faster. So the drama is not the virus, but the total unpreparedness of our health machine, dismantled by two decades of frenzied cuts. It’s like discovering that when war breaks out, the army has the troops and even the cannons, but not the bullets. It is called lack of foresight and it is not the fault of the Holy Spirit.

    We believed that science would tell us what to do and how to evaluate an epidemic, but now we see scientists arguing furiously with each other and threatening to sue each other because of what they say, because of the assessments they make about the health emergency. It has been understood that in the final analysis they are in charge, it is they who make the decisions for the good of the Italian people, in their unquestionable judgement, and not politics; but there is discord among them, and so we ask ourselves: to which of them should we lend faith? It is impossible to find an answer: if disagreement reigns among the technicians, what can we understand, that we are not technicians?

    We believed that the forces of law and order and the army existed for our protection and for the defense of our vital interests; that their institutional purpose was to protect our security against criminals and against possible external aggression. Now we find that they can be used to control us, to fine us, to denounce us, to treat us as criminals for committing the terrible crime of leaving home to go for a half-hour walk, or to go shopping with our wife who, perhaps because of her age or for other reasons, does not have enough strength in her arms to take home bags that are too heavy or a box of food. We discover that it is also a crime to take the car to pick up our daughter at the airport, who returned from abroad after a thousand difficulties, with a special flight organized by the Minister of Foreign Affairs, but remained blocked due to the absence of trains, physically and psychologically exhausted by the total lack of information and the closure of hotels, which forced her to spend a night in the open air: that the Carabinieri can stop us, impose a huge fine and trigger a criminal complaint against us.

    We believed that the Catholic Church existed to give us spiritual comfort, to administer the Sacraments, to strengthen the faith in us, especially in times of particular difficulty; and we discover that she has been able to tell us absolutely nothing comforting, she has left us without Holy Mass, without the Eucharist, without Confession and even without funerals, all on the grounds that we must protect public health by avoiding mass gatherings. In this way we discover that the clergy has declared faith in God useless and totally commits themselves to science in order to seek salvation. We also note, in passing, that the same pope, the same bishops and the same priests who were preaching to us every day with their prayers of welcoming migrants, not to mention the environment, climate, plastic and biodiversity, have not been able to say a single good word to us, a single spiritual word, nor have they been capable of the smallest gesture of welcome and mercy towards us, the sheep of Christ’s flock, dazed and frightened under the hail of psychological state terrorism.

    We believed, because we had been told to boredom, that borders are a very ugly thing, that we must let in anyone who wants to, break down walls, build bridges, embrace the Chinese and toast with an aperitif that Milan is not stopping, and so we would have shown those racists, nationalists and populists who talked about quarantine and closing borders; but instead we have found ourselves immersed in a nightmare of which we can not see the end, in which the other has become a danger, a contagion, a enemy to be kept at a distance, to be treated only with gloves and a mask. Now they no longer speak of kisses and hugs: these have become an attack on public health and a provocation to doctors who are committed to the point of exhaustion to wring death from hospital patients. It was not well understood when the change of course took place and when, for example, those governors who minimized and were astonished because some of their provinces had been included in the initial “red zone”, and announced that they would demand the revocation of these measures, began to preach and invoke ever more rigorous, ever more draconian measures, and sting the government because it does not do enough, is not strict enough, does not multiply the prohibitions and does not tighten the sanctions for transgressors. The fact is that this radical change has taken place, and it has taken place under our noses: but with such a suddenness, with such dexterity, that perhaps not even a magician or an illusionist would have been able to do better.

    We thought we had a government that could not have been worse: unelected, unwanted, largely minority in the country, morally and politically discredited from the beginning for the cynicism with which it was done, putting together two parties that hate each other and that until the day before had spilled over avalanches of mutual contempt; but to have, on the other hand, a strong and constructive opposition, of centre-right parties, with clear ideas and two young leaders full of determination and initiative, capable of interpreting the true feelings of the Italian people (let us not speak of the third, the living corpse [Editor’s Note: Berlusconi] that insists on scheming for the interests of the ECB, as well as its own, like a Trojan horse); and to have, moreover, a gentleman in the role of President of the Republic, to act as an honest referee in the unpleasant and rigged game that is played between government and opposition. We have discovered, instead, that there is no opposition, because the self-styled opposition has, if anything, started to compete with the government, showing itself to be more realistic than the king and calling for even tougher emergency measures and police measures: as for the rest: no difference in method and approach to problems; no ideas, no grit, no nothing. As for the President, we have discovered that he is not at home.

    We believed that the European Union would show, at least on this occasion, some of the cohesion and solidarity that we have always been promised and magnified, but which we have rarely seen at work; that at least this time there would be, on the part of the other Member States, some cooperation with our own, invaded first and most strongly by the virus; that negotiations would be suspended for the much controversial ESM, that the ECB would promptly grant a soft loan to Italy, or at least that it would hasten to cut the interest on the loans it will need to face the blockage of its economic activities and much of its industrial production. Instead, we have seen France insulting us and mocking us with outrageous and racist videos; Germany withholding medical supplies for itself and even requisitioning Chinese masks already purchased by an Italian company, in transit through its territory; Austria closing the Brenner Pass with the army and Slovenia interrupting the transit of Alpine crossings with stone barriers on the road; and as icing on the cake, the President of the ECB calmly declaring that it is not her job to keep the bond spread low, and automatically unleashing, with such words certainly not said at random, furious financial speculation that in a single day has burned 70 to 100 billion euros on our stock exchange.

    We also believed we had, despite the overall disorganization, some of the brightest, freest and most original intelligences in the world, both in journalism and in culture and science. Instead, we discovered a flatness, a conformism, a disconcerting mediocrity in each of these fields. Journalists and intellectuals have literally competed in laying down on the most banal opinions and, coincidentally, on the indications and recommendations of the government, unconditionally approving the line of rigor and repression, adopting the opinion of the most alarming biologists, and contributing to spreading panic among the population with the utmost zeal. It is also true that only the politically correct points of view have found and find space in the mass media of national importance: if someone dares to express an opinion considered heterodox, he is immediately silenced and marginalized, as we have seen in the case of Vittorio Sgarbi, who is not used to be intimidated. And yet, perhaps by turning to the social media, we would have liked to see at least some of the great names in journalism and culture asking the power the uncomfortable questions we all want to ask: is it logical to quarantine sixty million people to protect a small part of them? Would it not have been more rational and easier to quarantine the latter? And does it make sense to impose the same restrictions and limitations on the municipalities most affected by the virus and those who do not register a single suspicious case? And why does the Prime Minister systematically choose the hours of the night to announce any new package of anti-accounting measures, while always remaining vague and never giving precise indications and a clear time limit? We are the only country in the world, including China, to have adopted such a line of containment and prevention, which means that national life is almost completely blocked: are we really the best and the most intelligent of all?

    However, the most bitter and unpleasant surprises, let’s be honest, are not those that come from outside, but from ourselves, both psychologically and spiritually. Psychologically, we thought we were discreetly prepared to face the difficulties and the unforeseen events of life, and above all to come to terms with the idea of our mortality, and instead we discovered that we were totally unprepared and totally, irrationally terrified of the possibility of getting sick and dying: even if the numbers say that, so far, practically nobody has died only of Coronavirus. We have locked ourselves indoors, and we call for even stricter measures, and we watch our neighbor go out for a walk with his little dog, not so much because we are afraid of the fine and legal penalties, but because we are afraid to die. It is true that television, our almost only resource in times of quarantine, does its best, or its worst, to terrorize us, attacking us around the clock with an obsessive hammering on the epidemic and using hysterical and distressing tones. We, however, were prepared to let ourselves be influenced to the maximum, because we had unconsciously developed a sort of claim to immunity from disease and death. Which, without a doubt, reminds us not only of the lifestyles of diabolical consumerism, but also of the betrayal of the former Catholic clergy, who have long ceased to preach to us. Remember, man, that you are dust and in dust you will return, to milk our ears with much more melodic and soothing refrains, made of goodness and mercy at a kilo. Spiritually we have realized the weakness, not to say the inconsistency, of our faith, if Catholic, and of our lay points of reference, if not believers. We have realized that we are fragile and frightened like children: because when the knots come to the comb, one discovers what a man is made of; and we have realized that we are made of wax.

    Who knows what good may come from all this. It will not be an automatic thing: the hashtag #ItWillBeAllRight is nonsense, if understood as an automatically effective incantation. Trials do not make people better, if anything worse, if they are not lived with the right disposition of spirit. We must reconvert our lives from frivolity to seriousness, from unconsciousness to awareness, from superficiality to reflection. We have to go back to wondering who we are and what we are doing in the world, why we are in this world

    http://www.accademianuovaitalia.it/media/com_form2content/documents/c3/a8633/f30/Ora,%20almeno,%20le%20cose%20diventano%20più%20chiare.pdf

  39. AFriend says:

    This type of hyper exaggeration looks like cultural to you guys. Always dramatically receiving a phone call and saving millions. You need to deify every person. What is the evidence that she saved $1 million? And if she saved $1 million, what about the doctors in Wuhan who isolated the RNA? They must have saved the entire human race. Oh, No. They are criminals for not telling you their state secrets. Everything is hollywood style drama for you guys. A few years ago a homosexual (why this was relevant, I don’t know) apparently saved $20 million lives in the Second World War, by farting around and “discovering,” from others, that the Nazis used “Heil Hitler” to sign off their letters. What was the evidence about this miraculous saving? As if the 20 million Red Army dead was insignificant to win the war, and this jerk is credited with not only saving the world itself. Come on, Ron. I thought you were more realistic than this type of exceptionalist garbage.

  40. Richard B says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Millions perhaps even tens of millions of Chinese owe their lives to the decisiveness of their bold and courageous national leadership.

    Do you have any idea how Chi-Com boilerplate that sounds?

    The above quote is literally followed by

    China and America have different political systems, each with its own strengths and weaknesses.

    In other words, China Good! America Bad! Ugh! Communism Good! Freedom Bad! Ugh!

    The two super powers of the world today are

    Jewish Supremacy Inc. and The Chi-Com International.

    They’ve formed a partnership with the goal of Full Spectrum Dominance.

    They’re bascially splitting up the world between them, natural resources and human resources.

    Both of which need to be firmly controlled. Especially their human resources.

    But they’re not going to just attack the world! That’d be too obvious and not their style, since they like to sneak and hide and spy and much prefer false flags, hate hoaxes, and now, pandemics.

    For more information read The Unz Review.

    [MORE]

    Both the Jewish and Chinese are cultures of blind obedience to its authority and have been for thousands of years. As a Jewish professor from Israel once said to another Jew who insisted Israel be Jewish and Democratic. “How can anything Jewish be Democratic?”
    Both cultures are aggressively collectivist, conformist and anti-democratic and anti-Western.
    Both cultures demand to be 1. placed above criticism 2. loved unconditionally 3. blindly obeyed.

    But more importantly, both cultures have the power to effectuate those demands.

    In short, both have motive and opportunity.

    Both do not hesitate to impose the four sanctions found in all cultures from time immemorial of economic deprivation, imprisonment, torture and death on the people they control. Which, today, is effectively, the world.

    Both hate with a deadly savagery European man and his geographical extensions, ie; especially the USA. Because European man is the ONLY one in world history to try to invert those four sanctions into economic ease, the privileges of freedom, respect for the individual and the value of life.

    All through the Rule of Law.

    Whereas JSI and CCI prefer the more primitive Rule of Man.

    European man is also the only one in human history to permit his authority to be criticized.

    Something that JSI and CCI have never and will never do – ever.

    Like any psychotic, or authoritarian (same thing) they are extremely resistant to exposure.

    And today, thanks to the Internet, the tools of critical thinking, advanced histriography, etc. they’ve been exposed.

    This pandemic is their joint response.

    As the online joke goes, “Oy vey! Shut it down! They know!”

    And that’s exactly what they are doing.

    Two groups whose ideas and actions have slaughtered 100 million people in less than 80 years won’t hesitate for one second to unleash a “virus” that they

    Who needs a Conpiracy Theory when you have

    The Facts of Cultural History
    The Patterns of Human Behavior
    The Reality of Current Events
    More precise knowledge (quantity and quality) about human beings than ever before in history.
    The Internet, which gives us insant access to that knoweldge.
    And websites on the Internet such as TUR, The Occidental Observer and others?

    The answer obviously is – You don’t! You don’t need a Conspiracy Theory.

    You just need to do your homework.

    After that all you’ve got to do is exercise your right to free speech and assembly.

    And now we’re back to why JSI and CCI have merged to Shut It Down!

    Their victory is humanity’s defeat. Making their victory Pyrrhic.

    To use their own words against them,

    Treason Against Jewish Supremacy Inc.* Is Loyalty To Humanity

    *and their CCI Frankenstein

  41. 36 ulster says:
    @Anonymous

    I can only hope you’re right. The past two weeks haven’t been bad for me; I’m liking the semi-monastic life, but I can afford the luxury of doing so. Not so many others. I live in a solid, friendly neighborhood where people are behaving rather well–an upside of life in a city neighborhood where many people know each other. If this thing extends into summer, people will be going stir-crazy (me, too), the economy might crash (much to the SCHADENFREUDE of the disloyalist party leadership), and we may be faced with the choice between steadily more fatalities or a state of nature. Once again, let’s hope you’re spot on. All the best.

  42. Anonymous[603] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Yes. Scary stories of millions of dead are quickly, casually scaled down to ‘10’s of thousands’ which will very likely get pruned down to a couple of thousand. Dr. Cody saved the day, fine. I’m still not convinced that if everyone walked around licking door knobs this panic was warranted.

    I hope there is a full investigation of every aspect of this gong show, but I somehow doubt we’ll ever get any straight answers. We are living in very strange time.

  43. I’ve said this twice already, but now I’m going to say it a third time very simply.

    Curve-flattening does absolutely nothing to reduce the number of people who will contract and presumably die from the virus. All it does is spread the deaths over a longer period of time. It’s all about saving the healthcare system, not people’s lives. When you hear the neologism “social distancing,” which is currently preventing millions of people from earning a living, you should think “You, citizen, are hereby consripted to take up the slack for the healthcare system that does not feel like doing its job.”

    I know, I know. Someone is going to come back with the argument that if the healthcare system gets overwhelmed by corona patients, then people with other routine health problems are going to die because they won’t be able to get care. This is ridiculous. There are other ways to expand the capacity of the healthcare system that do not require telling 330 million Americans to hunker down and not leave their homes.

    This is not necessary. Flattening the curve is nonsense, and plunging the economy into suspended animation is nefarious. Something very bizarre is going on here.

  44. @anon

    [email protected] those disgusting Chinese. You watch as they wipe out the wildlife in Africa,

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  45. @A123

    Well said. Thank you. Our semi-hysterical news media is fanning the flames of panic and despair.

    Example:

    (Recent online HEADLINE from USA Today):

    CBS News’ Maria Mercader dies at 54 from Coronavirus.

    But it turns out that Mercader’s death–like the ‘sudden’ demise of so many unhealthy and elderly victims of Covid-19–should not be quite so unexpected or shocking after all.

    As the reader moves towards the end of the article, USA Today discloses:

    Mercader battled cancer and “related illnesses” for more than 20 years and had been on medical leave “for an unrelated matter” since the end of February, CBS added.

    Mercader had been in poor health since her early 3os! Her belated death is natural selection doing its thankless job. RIP.

    Chronically unhealthy individuals tend to die young, especially during flu season. This shocks you?

    Yet this panic-inducing HEADLINE (like countless others like it) implied deliberately and falsely that Covid-19 was the exclusive cause of Mercader’s death.
    Bullshit.

    Misleading news reports are being manufactured to amplify the bloated death count associated with this seasonal virus. Medical science is being corrupted and contaminated by Big Media and sleazoid politics.

    It’s time to let the young and healthy resume their lives.

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike, hetro
    • Thanks: A123
  46. Alfred says:

    I hope this chart will clear up any misunderstandings about what is happening in Italy. The original report is at the link at the top of the image. It is in English.

    Please click on image to see it full-size.

    Of course, in the USA the distribution might be different – because the USA is a society largely composed of sick and obese people. 🙁

    • Thanks: mark green
    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @Gzibordi
  47. refl says:

    An update from Germany:
    – the critic Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg (pneumologist, epidemologist, former member of parliament, lost his seat over the exposure of the Tamiflu-scandal) has been denounced for speaking to Online-magazines, which are regarded as right wing, and has thus lost his position with Transparency International.
    Incidentally, I would recomend Mr. Unz to hire the man for an article. He is certainly busy, in huge trouble right now, but he is able to expose his ideas quite relaxedly. His interviews are a ray of hope, indeed.
    – There are the first calls to arrest critics, which as it happens have been the critics of the government for the last couple of years.
    – The law, which all this is based upon, bears the innocent name of INFEKTIONSSCHUTZGESETZ. Memories of the GESETZ ZUM SCHUTZ VON VOLK UND STAAT are not intentional.
    While in the old days Jews and Libertarians were regarded as a disease to the country, nowadays conventional wisom has accepted that a disease is a tiny little thing, that you don’t see, and not the person, who somehow or other is a nuissance to the authorities. It involves slightly more effort in the framing process, but it does not stink just as much of superstition and malevolence.

    [MORE]

    So ask yourselves, if such reporting as the following will last for much longer, and what the consequences for the authors might be:
    https://multipolar-magazin.de/artikel/coronavirus-irrefuhrung-fallzahlen
    Some exerpts by Google translate:

    A look at this report shows for the first time: The increase in the number of cases has been presented by the government and the media in a very misleading manner. On page 6 of the management report there is a table on the number of tests in calendar weeks 11 and 12 – this corresponds to the period from 9.3. until March 22 From this it can be seen that in KW 11 almost 8,000 people in Germany tested positive, in KW 12 almost three times as much, almost 24,000. These numbers are already known from the media.

    What was previously unknown: the number of tests carried out in Germany was just under 130,000 in KW 11, but almost 350,000 in KW 12. Not only has the number of cases tested positive tripled, but also the number of tests. The actual increase in cases, based on the number of tests, is only one (!) Percentage point: in calendar week 11, just under 6% of those examined tested positive, in KW 12, however, 7%
    (…)
    If one criterion is removed, it follows that the number of tests – and thus the number of new cases to be expected – will continue to increase, while maintaining the remaining access restrictions for the test (focusing on risk groups) should ensure that the mortality rate will be relatively high in the future will lie. There are reasonable reasons for these criteria, but one should keep an eye on the expected effects on the future figures, which will also have a psychological and thus political effect.

    According to the latest data from the RKI (March 27), the proportion of the deceased among the positively tested is 0.6%. According to RKI boss Wieler, their average age (!) Is 81 years. It is hardly possible to derive an extreme threat to the entire population from this – especially since it is still completely unclear whether the proven virus DNA material is actually the cause of death in most of these cases, or other previous diseases.

    (…)

    Whether you find something with PCR or not has nothing to do with the question of whether the species in question, to which the examined DNA belongs, is the cause of the disease. (…) There are a large number of viral pathogens that can cause mild or severe respiratory diseases, for example flu viruses. In all cases, one would have to prove this with PCR or not to exclude it. However, if you only look for SARS-CoV-2 with PCR, you will only find that or assign SARS-CoV-2. It cannot be said whether SARS-CoV-2 (exclusively) is the cause of the respiratory disease. (…)

    The mood in biomedicine is this: everything that seems dangerous to fatal drives research. And research is always good. Can you ever know enough? However, instead of creating knowledge, it is often enough to only reach a somewhat contradictory consensus. That doesn’t bother anyone as long as the research billions and profits flow. (…) PCR diagnostics is a billion dollar market. ”
    All in all, the scientific data available in no way justify the policy measures adopted. The potential for manipulation – and thus the temptation to exploit it – is currently great. The ongoing fixation on the pure number of cases, without classification, and in particular the decision to make these numbers the yardstick of politics, is manipulative and is currently endangering the existence of civil rights in Germany and many other countries.

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @refl
  48. @FB

    There have been literally thousands of retarded comments on this website that the whole coronavirus thing is a hoax

    It’s just the flu bro…

    [MORE]

    [nytimes.com]
    Swine Flu: First, Sow No Panic

    By Elisabeth Rosenthal

    If hand-washing is the first lesson of the SARS epidemic to apply to today’s swine flu outbreak, the others are: Masks, the symbol of protection, are only rarely useful.

    I hate seeing pictures of people in Mexico riding bicycles and walking down the street in masks. Infectious diseases are not transmitted well outside and in sunlight.

    I can tell you from my experience in Beijing that having an entire city of masked people is devastating to the social fabric. It is hard to have conversation through a mask — you can’t see smiles or frowns. Also, not all masks are equal. A good mask, well fitted and worn properly, is uncomfortable and hard to breathe through. And wearing a mask casually draped over your ears is more of a totem against disease than a scientifically valid form of protection.

    In a normal season in the United States, tens of thousands of people die of complications of influenza. A baby’s death in Texas or the 200 people who have succumbed in Mexico are tragic cases, but not by themselves worrisome totals. They could even suggest that this strain of swine influenza is quite mild. We have no idea how many people came down with lesser infections — presumably a huge number — that went unrecorded by the public health system. More data is needed to sort this out.

    Even with SARS, which had a high death rate (1,000 people died and about 8,000 fell ill), you could argue that the most profound consequences were economic. Panicked people canceled conferences and trips throughout the region for months afterward, devastating local economies.

    As a physician, as a student of public health and even as a journalist, I cringe when I see the swine flu, or H1N1, called “the deadly virus.” Evidence to date does not suggest that it is any more deadly than the average flu.

  49. Alfred says:
    @Miro23

    Governments could have opted to only extend protection to high risk groups (over 70’s with existing medical problems) and kept everyone else working.

    You are absolutely correct.

    It is pathetic, utterly pathetic, when a country like the USA is prepared to kill millions in the Middle East and yet is unable to handle an almost irrelevant event like this infection. The whole world outside the USA is watching with incredulity how the West is morally weak and corrupt. 🙁

    A cartoonist should update this old one:

  50. onebornfree says: • Website

    “I am aware of no precedent in modern American history for locking down a major city for health reasons, an action that appears absolutely contrary to our widespread notions of civil liberties and constitutional rights. ”

    And yet , that’s exactly what you advocate, apparently.🤮

    Yes, I’m sick. But not from some supposedly “deadly” virus. Sick of people like you and all the rest of the mindless “do gooders” infected with the mind-rotting disease called “socialism”, who now fantasize about running everyone’s life /health for them at the point of a gun via federal , state and local governments, for the [supposed] “greater good of society”, because of some newly concocted, fake threat.

    See: “The Rockefeller “Lockstep” Global Pandemic Scam”
    http://onebornfree-mythbusters.blogspot.com/2020/03/onebornfrees-special-scam-alerts-no136.html

    “Every socialist is a disguised dictator.”Ludwig von Mises

    “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” H.L.Mencken

    “Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.”
    George Carlin

    No regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Tucker
  51. @Anonymous

    “Swedes are not a touchy-touchy people.”

    Good thing they’re busily importing a rapey-rapey people!

    Muslims: happily “touching” all de white wimminz that Swedes won’t touch.

  52. @Carlton Meyer

    Small problem. Covid19 has apparently mutated. At least one of its 2 Chinese variants, S & L, now seems to be “hunting” the fit and young, even babies. If so, isolating the elderly might save them but letting the fit and young work together could be devastating to the work force and families. Total lockdown, until we know much more, seems the best approach.

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @follyofwar
  53. alchemist says:

    The US is caught unprepared by the Covid-19 pandemic (now called Chinese or CCP virus). Had the US intended to spread the virus in Wuhan during the military competition with the presence of US military personnels, it would have prepared vaccine in advance in case the infection spreads to this country. This shows Ron Unz’s theory is unfounded that the US is responsible for releasing the virus. In contrast, it is reported that the PRC had prepared vaccine before the current virus outbreak.

    During Jiang’s rule, China’s Minister of Defense General Chi Haotian has delivered a speech to a select group of high level party cadres at a Conference on Future War Strategy in 2005. In that speech General Chi has expressed the use of bioweapons in a surprise attack against the US. Jiang Zemin had in mind what the building of the Wuhan P4 lab was for development of bioweapons. Upon studying the speech for more details one can come to the conclusion that the PRC under Jiang’s rule had considered the use of bioweapons against the US with the intention of wiping out the US population and repopulating America with Chinese.
    https://jrnyquist.blog/2019/09/11/the-secret-speech-of-general-chi-haotian/?fbclid=IwAR0mbLEp6TjWRT4QzDu20b-AdYapYUp1ZdBxs-OhbBdeMn6ffcwL0xi3C7M.

    There are two factions in chinese politics and bad blood between Jiang Zemin and Xi Jinping who launched a campaign of anti-corruption to weed out the party of Jiang’s henchmen. The corona virus epidemic must be seen in this context. Jiang’s people are believed to have released the virus in a plot to undermine Xi’s rule. The infighting threatens to tear the party apart and spell the end of the CCP.

    There is talk in western circles of declaring China a pariah state and enforcing economic isolation.

    • Troll: Huskynut
    • Replies: @foolisholdman
    , @obwandiyag
  54. Huskynut says:
    @bolteric

    Agree – Ron did that for me too.

    And yes, saving lives is part of the JD, along with preserving social cohesiveness. I don’t care much for the economy per se, only its consequences on people, and the current uncertainty seems to me to shit on the precariat excessively, compared to the upper classes

    I don’t think it was liberty that’s spiraled out of control, just the disconnect between rhetoric and reality. In times of relative certainty, that fabric is pretty elastic, but instantiate time where people objectively die, starve or are thrown out on the streets than ain’t no BS gonna obscure that reality..

  55. Huskynut says:
    @Miro23

    oh G_d yes..
    call Hillary: the virus is not respecting out safe spaces…!!!
    snarking safe spaces, not you..

  56. Antares says:

    China completely locked down and quarantined the city of Wuhan at a point when only 300 detected infections and 17 deaths had occurred, thereby strictly confining all 11 million residents to their homes. Not long afterward, similar measures were applied to the 60 million residents of the surrounding province of Hubei, and later extended to include some 700 million Chinese across the country, a medical quarantine perhaps a thousand times larger than any such previous effort in human history.

    It is in the best interest of mankind that the Chinese approach will backfire devastatingly. I would feel really sorry for the Chinese who would suffer but their collective approach requires collective punishment, or we will all be subjected to their ant-like collectivism.

    And it wouldn’t stop there. Next year there wil be another coronavirus and it will meet a weaker population than this time. But it worked the last time so shut up. This should really explode in their hands.

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @Anonymous
    , @skrik
  57. ANON[228] • Disclaimer says:

    I certainly cannot prove that this virus was manufactured and released on purpose. What I beleiev though with much certainty is that this is going to be a catalyst of very important (for the worse that is) changes of global scale.

    NEVER LET A CRISIS GET WASTED !!!!! Turn it to opportunity. That is what these people believe (the deep state actors). That is why they let the whole thing explode so that to find an excuse…….

  58. Huskynut says:
    @Alfred

    Thanks Alfred – that’s handy bio.

    I’m fairly left historically, and don’t have anything against her personally. To understand she studied at the feet of the media BS master Tony Blair makes sense 100% in everything I’ve intuited on her in the past, ie: heart in the right place. Brain completely highjacked by the urge to power.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  59. @Intelligent Dasein

    Ron is the same guy who spent the early part of this pandemic claiming, with terribly weak circumstantial evidence, that this virus was a US bioweapon attack. Now he’s claiming that curve-flattening works, and that the experts being touted by the mainstream media are correct.

    • Replies: @Patric
  60. anonguy says:
    @danand

    This decisive action in California will give the state quite a bit of cultural confidence as well as credibility to others.

    No doubt blue state policies helped fuel the outbreak there, but that is axiomatic, it is a blue state place. Plenty of red state follies are playing out now.

    The important thing is they believed their indications and took action, which is the basics, and didn’t fall prey to normalcy bias, controlled flight into terrain, all that.

    Trump is increasingly irrelevant to these people, as he has been an all heat no light sideshow.

    The opposite of love isn’t hate, it is indifference. And vice versa.

    Stanford closing was super helpful. It was useful as an example in my local efforts to spread awareness.

  61. A problem for all who like numbers and rational analysis is that the numbers can’t be trusted.

    China has every reason to suppress the number of infections and deaths. There are increasing reports that they have done just that with the latest news about the number of urns shopped to wuhan mortuaries.

    The US, on the other hand, appears to be inflating the numbers at least insofar as deaths. For example, a friend’s grandmother died this weekend and her death was attributed to SARS-CoV-2. Notably, this woman was an octogenarian living (barely) in Hospice. Likewise when I scan the news looking for details on the victims, comorbidity is never mentioned.

    People don’t go to Hospice to live, they go to Hospice specifically for the purpose of dying. While it’s certainly possible that SARS-CoV-2 was the proximate cause of death for an 80-something year old in Hospice, it’s also quite possible that a slight chill in the room was the culprit.

    As long as we continue to play political games with this, we will see increasing distrust of media/gov and if it continues long enough I expect some major civil disobedience.

    • Replies: @UK
    , @Corvinus
    , @foolisholdman
  62. pieceofmindful.com”California dreaming-COVID-19 cases [in Santa Clara]that have no origin”:
    “…Santa Clara has no testing facility for Coronavirus…So a perfectly valid hypothesis might be this that the County’s online scoreboard is FRAUDULENT. There are no proven cases at all,These reported cases of so-called COVID-19 are nothing more than the flu [even that is a stretch because how do you confirm whether or not a person has the flu] , because there is no testing procedure in the whole of the Bay Area that can diagnose the disease…”

    revealingfraud.com:”35 sources showing the COVID-19/Coronavirus is over-hyped and likely FRAUD”

  63. Miro23 says:
    @Alfred

    And meanwhile Bloomberg reports (30th March):

    Refineries globally have been cutting back activity. Last week, Gruppo API SpA indefinitely stopped its Falconara facility in Italy until fuel demand recovers. The nation’s fuel consumption has declined by about 85%, a spokesman for the company said, citing a union of retail gas stations. Meanwhile, huge refineries across Asia are cutting back as billions of people stay home.

    Fuel consumption is a good indicator of economic activity, so this is turning into an economic catastrophe.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  64. utu says:
    @Milton

    Yes, very good. Thank you for translating and posting.

  65. @Intelligent Dasein

    This is not necessary. Flattening the curve is nonsense, and plunging the economy into suspended animation is nefarious. Something very bizarre is going on here.

    Your fellow bible thumpers are making hay from the apocalyptic angle, politicians are feathering their nests and plundering the Treasury, the media is marketing irrational fear, I see nothing out of the ordinary at all.

  66. We all recall with pride and gratitude how, back in mid-January, Pelosi, Nadler and Schiff solemnly addressed the nation, saying: Although we take these Ukraine accusations against the President very seriously, however, in light of the news coming out of Wuhan, China concerning a possible pandemic and its possible spread to our shores, we have concluded that now is not the right time to explore an impeachment proceeding. The President and his entire staff must be free, unhindered, and undistracted to assess the situation and take whatever timely measures are necessary to protect the American people. It is possible that very bold and aggressive steps will need to be taken, steps which have the potential to appear unpopular or controversial, indeed perhaps even authoritarian, yet necessary to preserve the health of the nation. In which case it is the duty of this Congress to support the President and not to constantly undermine, subvert and second-guess him, which would potentially negate the effectiveness of decisions from the White House and further endanger us all. We call on the press in this time of crisis to put aside its habitual hostility and second-guessing of the president and to report the news with clarity and honesty, in the name of national solidarity. United, we shall all come through this safely.

    Remember when she said that? Remember how relieved we all felt?

  67. padre says:
    @A123

    I really admire people, who admire Trump!

  68. iffen says:

    My own Santa Clara County was then the national epicenter of the Coronavirus outbreak

    Maybe if Dr. Cody had not suppressed the identifying information for the individual local mini epicenters within the county, Santa Clara residents could have avoided those locations and the county would not have become the national epicenter. Imagine how many lives might have been saved if residents had known which businesses and locations to avoid. It is possible that a county lock down would not have been necessary if the individual sites spreading the virus could have been “locked downed” by people armed with the knowledge that going to that location was extremely risky. But of course they couldn’t avoid the sites because only a select group had the information, and they were not about to let it go. It’s called equal opportunity for catching the virus. Just because hazard avoiding information is available doesn’t mean that everyone should have an equal opportunity to utilize that information. It means that some people have the virus “you” need to share the same equal opportunity to acquire the virus that they had.

    • Agree: Hibernian, Dissident
    • Replies: @Alfred
  69. Tucker says:
    @onebornfree

    I read this article and came away from it with mixed emotions.

    Also, a few questions. Is Ron Unz advocating for America to become the same kind of totalitarian society as Communist Red China? He praises how aggressively the Chinese Communist government tackled this coronavirus pandemic – and indirectly gives the reader the impression that he wishes the US government could do likewise, but cannot, since our U.S. Constitution and commitment to the Bill of Rights carries with it a historical respect for individual liberty and freedom from tyranny.

    I also wonder if he is thinking that there is a way whereby we in the USA can preserve our Constitution and Bill of Rights – but, at the same time, have some kind of ‘on/off’ switch on the wall of the Oval Office where a President could reach over and flip it and instantly transform the USA from a Constitutional Republic to a clone of Communist Red China whenever a dire situation like this coronavirus pandemic were to occur? That’s just not possible. And, even if it were – who in their right mind would want to have such a switch in the Oval Office and risk having a diabolically evil Democrat wind up becoming President and having access to that switch? Imagine Nancy Pelosi or Maxine Waters or AOC having such a switch? Does anyone think for a second that any of these crazy democrats would not use that switch for political purposes that had nothing whatsoever to do with a pandemic or any other legitimate crisis?

    Here is what I worry about the most. Granted, I believe that this coronavirus pandemic should be taken very, very seriously. But, I also know from history that political ruling elites have a long track record of taking advantage of crisis situations to enact totalitarian laws and to deprive people of their sacred liberties – and they always use the excuse that ‘this is for our own good and, besides, these new laws and restrictions are only temporary’. They are lying when they tell us this kind of baloney – because these laws and infringements on our liberties never seem to be repealed or rolled back, once the crisis is over.

    Here is an analogy for Ron Unz to consider. Let’s use a US Navy aircraft carrier. When a ship that size is ordered to reverse course and execute a 180 degree turn – it doesn’t happen immediately. A ship that size requires a great deal of water to make a complete turn and head 180 degrees in the opposite direction. The same principle applies to the profound differences between a Communist totalitarian system of government and a Constitutional Representative Republic such as the United States. China has been a totalitarian nation for many decades and the basic infrastructure was already in place which made it easier for them to lock down and to get this coronavirus pandemic under control. This was their advantage. The USA, just like that aircraft carrier, cannot turn on a dime and duplicate what happened in Red China overnight.

    This is to our disadvantage, but does this mean we need to put Crazy Bernie into the White House and tear up the Constitution and Bill of Rights and turn the USA into another USSR?

    • Replies: @Polemos
    , @onebornfree
  70. Hello,

    “especially true in America, given our total lack of adequate testing capabilities.”

    Seems like this hurdle is now overcome with upwards of 800,000 tests done in the US daily.

    I would certainly agree that millions of lives were saved in the US and I have to admit that I very much doubted that a favorable outcome (virus not spreading to more than 20% of the population) would be reached. This is due to the sluggish first response.

    Currently there are some 18, 000 new cases daily, which will probably continue for a couple of weeks with a couple of thousand margin.

    I’m optimistic that no more than 30,000 deaths will be recorded, which for a country of 350 million is a fraction of a percent.

    Still better initial reaction could have probably kept the numbers at or bellow the China number of just under 4000 deaths.

    Cheers

  71. Bill P says:

    Thanks for the positive article, Ron. It’s been demoralizing and upsetting to me to see so many people dumping on Americans right now when this is a very difficult time for many of us.

    • Replies: @Biff
  72. DNC Dispatch: “When we’re certain we can steal the November election via mail-in ballots, ballot harvesting and keeping the economy at a standstill, only then will we end #coronahoax.”

  73. Patric says:

    This article is such a load of crap I could only read 1/2 of it. The bs was too thick to swallow. And I am big admirer of Ron Unz. I saw him as a great guy someone who freed himself from his Jewish shackles. But wait………………..he hasn’t it seems. He sponges up this fear porn just like the Jews sponge up their holohoax stories. It’s a shame and I guess shows why we cannot ‘trust’ Jews scratch them on the surface and you see a leopard does not chage it’s spots

    • Troll: Corvinus, L.K
  74. UK says:

    This article is a perfect case-study in the Dunning-Krueger effect.

    Ron thinks he’s uniquely smart for understanding exponential curves but really he has no idea how much smarter all of the other people are on this. He just doesn’t even begin to get how little he knows.

    Nevermind the incredibly embarrassing earlier accusations of the US Military Games team supposedly releasing this virus and all of his moronic posts stating that anything else was extremely implausible…*smh

    Here’s an article going through considerations Ron cannot even seem to conceive of:

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-to-understand-and-report-figures-for-covid-19-deaths-

    • Replies: @mark green
  75. Biff says:
    @Antares

    Next year there wil be another coronavirus and it will meet a weaker population than this time.

    Weaker population or a vaccinated population? Ya never know?

  76. @Carlton Meyer

    “343 GIs Have Coronavirus, None Died”

    Of course, if they received a vaccine…

  77. UK says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Victim cultures (the contemporary West, sadly) will inflate the numbers. All of the incentives (socio, cultural and economic) lie that way. Just as face-saving cultures will deflate them. Again, in line with the incentives.

  78. Alfred says:
    @Milton

    I have tried to translate as best I could

    Thank you Milton for a fantastic piece. That is precisely why society is going to break up.

  79. JackOH says:

    OT question, maybe a bit.

    Has there been any mention by journalists or any competent authority at all of whether and how America’s distribution of health care either accelerates or retards the transmission of communicable disease? Or, possibly, has no effect at all?

    I’m thinking of two persons, one uninsured and one insured, both infected by COVID-19, and both becoming symptomatic on the same day. The insured person presumably has the ready option of calling a doctor for an examination and diagnosis at relatively little out of pocket cost to himself. The uninsured person has what option?

    I’m also thinking of the millions of insured workers and their insured contractually qualifying dependents who will face the potential loss of group health insurance coverage as a consequence of the COVID-19 restrictions.

    Anyone know if there’s been any competent discussion of this anywhere?

    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
  80. Patric says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Yes I can only think scratch a (((person))) on the surface and all the old fear of extermination and paranoia surfaces. I put it down to their practice of circumcision which then spread to the whole world. Now we are like (((them))) or most of us. Luckily for me I was not done in that way and can still think a bit. Feel sorry for (((them))) not that will slake their thirst.

  81. BuelahMan says:

    I’m in sales and daily speak with many people. As this thing has gone on, I continually ask evertyone I work with, plus friends, family and customers, “Do you know anyone that is sick?”

    I have not heard from a single person that they know anyone in person with even a headache. The only ones they know of are media driven.

    Maybe there is. Maybe there isn’t.

    But I do know that the wealthiest people in America are getting richer while most people I know (poor to middle class) are going broke.

    How’s Ron’s bottom line?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  82. @Carlton Meyer

    Yes, we must be very afraid, just like this man who woke up dead from the Corona Virus.

    HUDSON, FL — Despite the Florida Department of Health reporting his death Friday, 46-year-old Hudson resident Gene Della Sala, the first Pasco County resident to test positive for the coronavirus, said he’s feeling “90 percent better.”

    “The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated,” he told Patch lightly, using Star Trek character Capt. Jean Luc Picard’s adaptation of the famous Mark Twain quote.

    Della Sala and his family were a bit taken aback when the Florida Department of Health reported his death at 6 p.m. Friday

    https://patch.com/florida/landolakes/pasco-man-surprised-see-state-announce-death-coronavirus

  83. Stealth says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    You don’t know much about Stephen Greer, do you? I notice that your reply makes no mention of his primary specialty.

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
  84. @The Scalpel

    I don’t think the MAGA hat is necessary, but the point is a valid one. COVID-19 is a deadly and quite contagious infectious disease, even for some people without underlying conditions. Why would anyone want to take unnecessary risks with that?

    • Replies: @UK
    , @The Bell Tolls
  85. Jake says:

    “The unimaginable human disaster now facing our country has several obvious roots. Our oceans had protected our home front from any attack during the two world wars while modern medicine had rendered disease epidemics a fading memory for three generations. Our arrogant and incompetent national leadership simply could not comprehend the possibility that their missteps might actually kill hundreds of thousands or millions of Americans.”

    That hubris proceeds from WASP culture – think of the Brit WASP Elites and their centuries old faith in their island and their fleets as virtually invincible protector, at least of their class. A key part isn in the long totally secularized Reformation/Calvinist faith in being God’s Chosen Race/Nation that is beyond good and evil, that is saved by its faith only and by Election and cannot lose its salvation.

  86. eah says:

    The rapid spread of COVID-19 over the last few weeks to nearly every inhabited corner of the planet is a truly remarkable epidemiological phenomenon, one perhaps without precedent in human history — it is also largely unexplained and unquestioned.

    Also remarkable as a scientific and logistical feat is the rapid development of diagnostic tests for COVID-19, testing capability that now seems to be available wherever needed, and able to satisfy seemingly unlimited demand everywhere, even though fairly sophisticated instruments and software are required (CDC link) — also here the results are never questioned, e.g. there is virtually no discussion of the reliability of these tests, or what they actually indicate; whatever results or numbers are reported, no matter how large (or small), they are accepted — here’s what the CDC says:

    Results are for the identification of 2019-nCoV RNA. The 2019-nCoV RNA is generally detectable in upper and lower respiratory specimens during infection. Positive results are indicative of active infection with 2019-nCoV but do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses. The agent detected may not be the definite cause of disease. Laboratories within the United States and its territories are required to report all positive results to the appropriate public health authorities.

    Negative results do not preclude 2019-nCoV infection and should not be used as the sole basis for treatment or other patient management decisions. Negative results must be combined with clinical observations, patient history, and epidemiological information.

    Note: “Positive results are indicative of active infection with 2019-nCoV”, but “Negative results do not preclude 2019-nCoV infection” — this must be the first diagnostic test in history with zero probability of a false positive, but non-zero probability of a false negative — ? — also a positive test does not mean COVID-19 is what’s making you sick.

    Ron Unz has published, even written himself, skeptical articles about many topics, from the ‘Holocaust’ to the moon landings, but seems to express no skepticism whatsoever about COVID-19.

  87. Hibernian says:

    Effective at midnight and lasting three weeks all non-essential businesses would be closed, all large public gatherings prohibited, and all residents required to spend their time at home, with certain reasonable exceptions. [Emphasis mine.]

    This. A sunset provision. The order can always be extended if necessary. This is in contrast to the open ended declarations by Lori Lightfoot and J.B. Pritzker. Not sure about New York, California (statewide) and other states.

  88. Hibernian says:
    @FB

    A hoax and overplayed are not the same thing. And better safe than sorry applies to the prospect of economic collapse, with attendant drug overdoses and suicides, too.

  89. Biff says:
    @Bill P

    It’s been demoralizing and upsetting to me to see so many people dumping on Americans right now when this is a very difficult time for many of us.

    Which Americans? The victims or the perps? The perps completely financialized the economy, while socializing the risks and privatizing the profits, and that is completely evident in the latest 2 trillion dollar stimulus package that has most of the wealth heading towards the corporate insiders, and crumbs for the victims(working class)
    The perps also finacialized healthcare system for maximum profits by monopolizing the entire system as a “scarcity”, so they could apply premium prices for everything and anything. The scarcity rules can have drastic consequences of short supplies such as ventilators and facial masks – which is why I believe people were told not to wear facial masks – the powers at be knew they would run out, and be exposed as unequipped – healthcare is now political!

    The American perps need to be exposed for the scum that they are, and I guess it takes a pandemic to do it….

    • Agree: Republic
  90. Hibernian says:
    @Pft

    Trump wins by a land slide for saving the day…

    That one is a lesser evil than having President Biden or Cuomo.

    • Replies: @Pft
  91. orionyx says:

    The whole response to this Wuhan flu has been an effort to minimize person-to-person transmission. All well and good. But surely it’s far better to ensure that when the virus lands on someone, it can’t do any harm because that person’s defenses are adequate. And those defenses can be made adequate by supplements: vitamin c, vitamin D3, vitamin B1, and zinc – all of which are deficient in most American diets.
    If we all took those supplements, we could all go back to work and while the transmission rate would increase – thus giving us all natural immunity – the rate of pathology would decrease, and we would all end up healthier than before it all began.

    • Replies: @Polemos
  92. Corvinus says:
    @Stan d Mute

    “The US, on the other hand, appears to be inflating the numbers at least insofar as deaths.”

    Sources?

    “For example, a friend’s grandmother died this weekend and her death was attributed to SARS-CoV-2. Notably, this woman was an octogenarian living (barely) in Hospice. Likewise when I scan the news looking for details on the victims, comorbidity is never mentioned.”

    That is common practice. It is a matter of privacy.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  93. Alfred says:
    @Huskynut

    heart in the right place

    Psychopaths have no hearts. You are so very naive. I am sorry to have say that. You seem to be lucky not have had many dealings with them.

    Blair was in charge when princess Diana was executed at his orders. He made a very moving speech at her funeral. When are guys like you going to ever wake up? 🙁

    Psychopaths have brains that function differently. It can be proven by brain scans.

    Here’s what a psychopath’s brain looks like

    Though I speak with tongues of men and of angels,but have not love,
    I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal …

    Princess Diana’s Funeral Part 16: Tony Blair and Elton John

  94. Polemos says:
    @Anonymous

    utu is right: Smith is saying that actual trials should trump the anecdotes, because people who were already going to improve will think the improvement came from the HC&A. He wants it to go through the verification he’s sure works for medical knowledge.

    It is interesting he’s saying 98% see improvement anyway. Perhaps that’s a more encouraging takeaway, like a Kahneman insight about how to help people frame this.

  95. @Jake

    You are wrong. By contrast, American leaders today – WASP, Jew, or otherwise – are convinced that there is no life beyond this material world. They are therefore terrified of death, and willing to accept the most hysterical conclusions in order to justify a self-perpetuating virus police state.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  96. @eah

    Ron Unz has published, even written himself, skeptical articles about many topics, from the ‘Holocaust’ to the moon landings, but seems to express no skepticism whatsoever about COVID-19.

    Actually, he did express some skepticism early, when he claimed it was all a US bioweapon attack. But unlike his excellent articles about the Holohoax, Ron did not rely on any proof for his claims. Now he’s switched to writing about the supposed necessity of an open-ended “lockdown,” relying on mathematical models and claims that many here have shown to be troublesome.

    I have read all of his ‘Our American Pravda’ series and have now stunned to find him accepting the official party lines of establishment hacks like Andrew Cuomo.

    However, to be fair, Ron has never expressed skepticism about the moon landings. You’re wrong about that.

  97. UK says:
    @The Scalpel

    Why don’t you spend your entire life in a hermetically sealed bubble in your basement? Oh, I forgot, this is Unz.com, you probably do.

    • Replies: @The Scalpel
  98. Z-man says:
    @Alfred

    I’ve seen her in action, she’s got to be one of the dumbest woman in the history of mankind. And look at that face, uggh!
    I feel sorry for New Zealand.
    At most she should be a meeter greeter at one of the terminals at the airport there. (Big grin)

  99. @Anon

    Anon (197) said:

    “This psyop, as usual, has been hinted at for at least a year and even had a couple practice runs.”

    Do tell more – what’s your evidence?
    If you can back it up, I’ll read it.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  100. @TomSchmidt

    It will be interesting to see what the suicide rate does in the next couple of years with tens of millions of people living with the realization that their lives have been irreparably and deliberately economically destroyed,

    • Agree: refl, Maiasta
    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    , @Les Toolish
  101. Alfred says:
    @Miro23

    Fuel consumption is a good indicator of economic activity

    Very true. When shale collapses in the USA, it will never restart. It was never cash flow positive. Gail Tverberg has explained for years that oil will peak when we can no longer afford it – and that its price will collapse. I think this is working out much faster than she expected.

    It is easy to overdo COVID-19 quarantines

    I wonder what this graph will look like in a few months?

    • Replies: @A123
  102. Alfred says:
    @iffen

    But of course they couldn’t avoid the sites because only a select group had the information, and they were not about to let it go. It’s called equal opportunity for catching the virus

    It reminds me of the Communist overlords who fled with their families from the Chernobyl region before anyone else. Same mentality. You can be sure this woman and her friends knew just where to stay away from.

    California gets the politicians it deserves.

    • Replies: @iffen
  103. Ron-Please visit clinics,doctors , hospitals , nurses , EMT’s and pathologists in Santa Clara County and find out how they are diagnosing cases of Coronavirus/COVID-19 and which test , if any , they used to make the diagnosis. Thank you.

  104. Anonymous[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tor597

    It’s a pretty simple chemical with a published synthesis. If the government fixed a price and promised to buy at least 100 kg from each custom synthesis company in the country, it would arrive pretty damned fast.

  105. @Carlton Meyer

    That’s more or less the approach that Sweden has adopted (‘herd immunity’):

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-23/swedes-try-laissez-faire-model-in-controversial-virus-response

    And so far, it seems to be working fine; their death rate shows no appreciable increase over last year. In fact, that is basically true all over Europe with the lone exception of Italy–the only country there that has gone absolutely nuts with the quarantining:

    https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/30/covid19-yet-to-impact-europes-overall-mortality/

    Food for thought, everybody …

  106. W. Baker says:

    I’m not sure I see how England and their numbers fit into this thesis, Mr. Unz. They ‘reacted’ much later than California, considering their geographical proximity to Chinese and European vectors.

    Any guesses?

  107. cranc says:

    Just for the tally, I consider this to be ridiculously and dangerously one sided Ron.
    You haven’t answered any of the points raised by this man:

    or, this man:
    https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/29/watch-perspectives-on-the-pandemic/

    ..and nor have any of the people who decry those who raise these important questions as ‘deniers’ or believers in a ‘hoax’.

    I’ve grown a great respect for this website over the past two years, but you seem scared to delve into the possibility that the lockdown is going to unnecessarily kill more people than Covid 19. Where is the precautionary principle as applied to the emergence of a fascist system ? Why is it ‘safer’ to shutdown society ?
    The evidence is against you Ron, are you sure you are not just regurgitating propaganda?

    • Replies: @refl
    , @Richard B
    , @Will
  108. Anonymous[214] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfred

    Your point is what must be concealed by shouting you down. As you say, the tests give false positives when otherwise they’re grossly misleading because they do not differentiate between coronaviruses or incidental infection as the cause of death.

    What is being deflected is discussion of the likelihood of hyperinflationary depression, which will kill millions. My take is that this is a false flag scenario following the script laid out during Event 201 justifying an eventual cut in our standard of living by about half—with the Orwellian twist of hyperinflationary helicopter money being green lighted by Congress as coming to the aid of the most vulnerable among us who’ll in fact be those most punished by the “bailout.” See the article by Professor Michael Chossudovsky on the meetings held just before WHO’s January 30 announcement and who attended for a chilling glimpse into orchestration of the response. Giving $trillions in no-cost/no-liability credit to the very persons responsible for the lethal lack of liquidity will eventually, as Congress knows full well, wipe out the purchasing power of wages and amount to a confiscation of savings at a time when savings are the only possible source of reconstruction and survival for the elderly. Orwellian to the point of being Satanic, and this is our government?

    This virus’ suspected mutations now shows all the marks of having been manufactured in China following Chinese biological espionage, which in one major case was orchestrated by a scientist from Harvard who not merely had close ties to Israel as EMJ reports in the adjacent article, but was in all likelihood working for Israel.

    Also, how about amateur videos directly contradicting the official narrative of hospitals so overloaded with cases and deaths that bodies are being stacked like cordwood in refrigerated trailers backed up to America’s ERs? In one set I just watched, a man visits three “overwhelmed” major hospitals in Louisville, Kentucky on consecutive days and videos show nurses and admission staff lounging around with no patients at all except a two or three apparently healthy people walking in casually in the last hospital visit.

    People are right. The false flag perpetrated by Israel during a shut down of the US government’s defenses on 9/11 did change everything, and it’s not just giving us the language of learned helplessness, but ensuring mass action flows from it as we see everywhere around us. Jacques Ellul pointed out that the purpose of propaganda—such as the almost demonic, non-stop fear porn coming from TV news now 24/7–isn’t to simply change minds, but to so emotionally charge the new beliefs as to cause action of its own accord. Ordinary civil servants in uniform are now “first responders” who’re “heroes” for merely wearing a uniform, now using the jargon of warfare lockdown by “putting boots on the ground” in superhuman heroics for our common good, if we’ll only “shelter in place” and “hunker down,” ad nauseam. The net effect is very much a national induced coma in which the subject nation’s brain function is shut down to allow drastic surgery, which in this case is the greatest wealth transfer from the victims to the perpetrators in history.

  109. TG says:

    Well said.

    However: “China and America have different political systems, each with its own strengths and weaknesses.” I think you miss the big point, here.

    The main difference is that in China, the elites have at least some concern for the well being of the nation as a whole. In the United States, the elites have pretty much given up caring about the nation as a whole.

    Almost any political system can be made to work, more-or-less, if the elites are not completely self-centered self-serving and corrupt. And there is no formal system of check-and-balances that cannot be ignored and made irrelevant, if the elites don’t care and simply choose to ignore it.

    Back when the United States had elites that cared, we had industrial policy and the nation was blessed with the greatest productive capacity the world had ever seen. Now our elites have shipped it all away, and guess what? We don’t have masks, we don’t have tests – and we don’t have the reagents to make the tests, and we don’t have the factories to make the reagents to make the tests, etc. It’s all gone, so the elites could make a big killing on all that lovely cheap labor. Meanwhile, US companies are using all of their profits and borrowing like crazy simply to buy back their stock – real investment be damned.

    And liars and whores like Paul Krugman, who swore that ‘free trade’ could not possibly have any down side, staring at the human catastrophe of a nation deprived of the most basic life-saving products, sails along with smug serenity. There is no guilt, there is no reckoning, there is no concern for having made a mistake, neither on Mr. Krugman’s part nor on the elites that boost and reward him. THAT is the rot, not the details of the political system, but a lack of accountability and concern at the top.

  110. Dr. Cody, a true blue American who saved myriad lives…

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  111. Polemos says:
    @Tucker

    Your carrier analogy suggests that we could turn the US around into doing what a totalitarian state does quickly, but it will take a while, time and lots of water, to get it that way.

    Many people on UR point out the USA has been losing its Constitutional protections gradually, with key points being the catastrophe needed for cementing the changes: 1913, 1963, 1971, 2001, &tc. Lots of water has passed by. Lots of turning course.

    So, hasn’t the ship turned?

    Hasn’t the Constitution already become superfluous? This is not the same country, and could it be after 200 years, after its history and its lies?

    Why not a different ship? Why this same one Theseus set sail in?

  112. @anon

    China gave us this Virus as a result of their incredibly irresponsible and incompetent policies with respect to hygiene practices in their disgusting and cruel animal markets.

    Is it any wonder that they took strong measures to contain the Virus. After all, they have more experience than any nation in the world at creating homegrown viruses and spreading them around the world.

    Incidentally, epidemiologists have been predicting for some time that the next great virus would originate in China, since that is where so many of the world’s viruses emanate from.

  113. Aw, shucks. I was hoping this was one of those “Government Employee Goes Postal, Shoots The Rest of The Government Employees” stories. No such luck, it’s just another “Let’s All Panic For a Year or Two” stories. What a gyp. I fell for the clickbait title.

    • LOL: NoseytheDuke
  114. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Tucker

    “does this mean we need to put Crazy Bernie into the White House and tear up the Constitution and Bill of Rights and turn the USA into another USSR?”

    I say, the only thing that needs to be “locked down” RIGHT NOW, is the entire Federal government, via the chains of the Constitution, and if those chains are no longer sufficient, then we need new , far stronger chains. LOCKDOWN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, NOW!

    Mr Unz is a lost cause. Beyond saving. This article promotes [almost adores] the “for our own good” actions of a government official, a snot-nosed anti-freedom female nazi who should be immediately “locked down ” with all of her “work” mates.

    In sum, a truly disgusting, government worshiping article by Unz. But what do I expect from a foaming at the mouth, fully indoctrinated worshiper of the nanny state? God help us all.

    Regards, onebornfree

  115. Trinity says:

    Lets see, I am a 58 year old fart, a late boomer who despite what some out of shape, skinny fat and older than his years 20-something year old momma’s boy claims, had nothing to do with the downfall of America. Matter of fact, you 20-somethings have had more to do with the downfall of this nation than anyone with the exception of the greatest cuck generation ever, the WWII generation.

    Back to bidness. I am pushing 60, go around unmasked, sans gloves, go grab produce in a crowded Walmart where people snatching apples, oranges, avocados, cabbage, etc., appear to be within a couple of feet of each other. MOST still don’t wear masks, a few of the sheeple do. Now, don’t get me wrong, I don’t blame the elderly, or the people with preexisting conditions for being cautious, but you retards that are healthy, young and virile ( not many twenty somethings are virile, at least not the majority) give me a break.

    This is how retarded this whole shit has become. They shut down a park where I live where not many people went to begin with. The park is HUGE, and it wasn’t like you would have a problem distancing yourself from someone, and most people who went there were usually lone joggers or hikers anyhow, occasionally you had people playing tennis, soccer or softball. YET, places like crowed Walmarts still operate as usual except for shorter hours. How close do you get to the person checking you out? How close are you to people in line while waiting to check out? You go down an aisle that might have 6 people, sometimes you are right up someone’s ass while reaching for that box of spaghetti or your favorite cereal. Yup, still don’t know a single person who has contracted this virus, nor do I know anyone who has been tested. Yup, I see the celebritards stepping up and outing themselves as coronavirus sickos, probably were PAID and want the publicity and of course the hip & cool points that go along with going along with the program. Some country music singer apparently died of the virus yesterday, never heard of the guy but then again I don’t know much about country music. What a charade this whole thing has become.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @refl
    , @anonymous
  116. @jsinton

    Many live hand to mouth paycheck to paycheck. Many live foot to mouth ie paycheck to paycheck plus pay day loans to be repaid from next months pay with a sweet 20% premium added. Now I hear tenants and landlords are the next drama about to be played out on April 1st. What is going to happen when the tenant(s) have no money to pay the rent and the landlord tries to evict them ? What happens when those tenants are the dark ones and decide to run amok ? The people flogging this virus may find they let the genie out of the box. The virus may become old news as the homies raze entire hoods to the ground.

  117. On October 18, 2019, Bill Gates hosted the World Economic Forum Event 201 on the coming coronavirus pandemic, they knew they were going to pull off this scam on the people of the world, coronavirus is no more dangerous than the common flu , but they had their plan in place to panic and terrorize the world, these satanic bastards should all face trial as terrorists!

  118. Polemos says:
    @orionyx

    What is your take on why helping people to boost their immune systems naturally and individually is not high on the recommendations?

    How does a vaccine compare to the supplement ritual you’re describing?

  119. My own Santa Clara County was then the national epicenter of the Coronavirus outbreak…

    It must have seemed that way from a local perspective, but extensive community transmission was first documented in Washington state — and as of March 9, Bloomberg (located in neither Santa Clara County nor Washington State) was declaring that:

    The Seattle area, which had 118 infections and 18 deaths as of Sunday, is now the center of the most severe known U.S. outbreak

    And if we look at the trajectory of deaths from the disease in various locations (# of deaths is log scale, origin is the date on which the 10th death occurred), CA is doing considerable better than NY — but early leader Washington is even lower. Sure, there may be some effect from the early spike in deaths from the nursing home outbreak — which elevated the number of deaths relative to cases compared to other locations — but the slope has stayed flatter than CA over time.

    The outbreak in Washington traced back to undetected community transmission that started between Jan. 15-19 from the original case that was imported from Wuhan. It was first discovered by investigators from the Seattle Flu Study, who were testing specimens on their own despite a CDC, FDA, and state health department ban. Washington seems to be doing a better job overall with testing than most places, with surveillance program in place as well as some excellent work in tracking transmission patterns via genomic sequencing.

    If anything similar had ever happened in American history, I’m certainly unaware of it.

    Perhaps not as extreme, but lockdowns involving school closures, bans on public gatherings, and mandatory mask-wearing in public were not uncommon during the 1918 influenza pandemic. Like this one in Seattle.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  120. @Paul Jolliffe

    “This psyop, as usual, has been hinted at for at least a year and even had a couple practice runs.”

    Do tell more – what’s your evidence?

    Try this.

    [World Economic Forum]
    Event 201

    The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019, in New York, NY. The exercise illustrated areas where public/private partnerships will be necessary during the response to a severe pandemic in order to diminish large-scale economic and societal consequences.

    We ran a massive viral pandemic simulation. Here’s what we learned about managing Coronavirus.

    Event 201 Pandemic Exercise: Segment 1, Intro and Medical Countermeasures (MCM) Discussion

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  121. @anon

    I agree. At one time Karlin, another esteemed Russian genius on this site, predicted millions dead. Hence a government bureaucratic pencil pusher and paper shuffler “SAVED” millions. What a colossal crock of manure. This reminds me of the girl they touted as a big hero in the Gulf War only that fairy tale turned out to be propaganda rubbish.

    I would say that Karlin saved millions. The germs fled when they saw that big sword and his grubby clothes. I mean, what self respecting virus would want to come in contact with him ?

    So to our esteemed heroine I say YAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  122. onebornfree says: • Website

    “Dear clueless America,

    You are now living under the tyranny you deserve. For the last four years, as truth-telling websites like Natural News were smeared, de-platformed and silenced, you said nothing. You were more interested in your Starbucks lattes, your inflated stock market shares, and virtue signaling your obedience to pop culture than defending the right of people to tell the truth.

    You let the world’s “facts” be determined by the most evil, communist-infiltrated techno-fascists imaginable: Google, Wikipedia, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and many more. You said nothing as they silenced independent publishers who told the truth about natural cures, herbal remedies and the dangers of biological weapons research (which we desperately warned the world about in 2012). As long as YOU weren’t banned, that was the most important priority in your mind, and you rapidly self-censored your own speech to make sure you could continue to earn ad revenue on YouTube by complying with their “community guidelines” that outlawed truth and reason.

    The reason you are stuck in an apartment in a high-density city, beating your head against the wall while your stock market portfolio vanishes with each passing day is because you thought it was more important to be obedient than free. …..you altered your own speech to come into “compliance” with the censors, and you stopped sharing links to the banned sites, for fear of being banned yourself for promoting banned speech. In other words, you became became your own jailer for your pathetic mental prison.

    You did that because you are a coward. You have no ethics, no morals, no courage and no principles. You helped build the very prison in which you now find yourself, and you can’t find a way out because you’ve never had a thought that was implanted into your consciousness by someone else.

    Instead of supporting diversity of thought, you demanded obedient conformity to a tiny set of twisted, fraudulent ideas, claiming the world would be a better place if “non-popular” content was systematically erased from the internet so that all the remaining voices would be in agreement. You called it “consensus” and explained that “fringe” voices were dangerous to society. So you supported Google and the tech giants carrying out a form of online ethnic cleansing, to rid the internet of information you didn’t want to see, since it opposed your own twisted worldview that was wholly derived from conformity with popular delusions rather than diverse, independent thinking…..”:

    From: https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-03-28-dear-america-you-are-now-living-under-the-tyranny-you-deserve.html

    Regards, onebornfree

  123. Robjil says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    I think that is the problem with our ZioElites.

    They believe in no afterlife. So they think their is no consequences for their actions.

    In Ancient Egypt, there were 42 Divine principles to follow. If not followed, the soul was devoured by Ammit.

    Most of 42 Divine principles are quite reasonable. Most can be still followed today.

    http://maatlaws.blogspot.com/

    Here is something about Ammit.

    http://www.thekeep.org/~kunoichi/kunoichi/themestream/ammut.html

    I think the ZioElites will not have much of an afterlife. Goodness growths after death. Badness devours itself and destroys itself after death.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  124. Levtraro says:
    @eah

    In just a few weeks Covid-19 has become the main cause of mortality in Spain. Hospital ICUs are overwhelmed in Madrid, so much that extra beds are being set up with respirators and other equipment to care for infected people in exhibition centres and hotels. New people in the thousands per day of a range of ages are joining other many thousands all of them hospitalized and passing though a life-threatening disease while testing positive for a new RNA strain identified for the first time in early February. So how can a reasonably intelligent person be skeptic of that?

    • Replies: @refl
  125. Alex says:

    The normal flu kills 80,000 people every year. I suspect when we can extrapolate the mortality of 2020, we’ll find out we’ll just be slightly above our yearly average.

  126. RodW says:

    Smoking seems to be a factor in how much people suffer and die from corona. In Japan, a much loved heavy smoking comedian has just died at 70 after quickly going into a coma and not recovering. Many people are saying that this should be the corona wake up for Japan. Wrong target perhaps? Maybe people who care should be looking at controlling readily available products that serve no purpose but to degrade health and lung capacity.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  127. @Anonymous

    Yeah, that might be part of the difference in German versus Italian results, too. Even in Switzerland: German Swiss tracks German death rates, while Italian Swiss are about half Italian death rates, but still 8-10x German ones.

    Of course, the Danes and Finns are much like the Swedes, but the former have locked down. Makes a nice experiment,

    • Replies: @Sean
  128. FLgeezer says:
    @A123

    >6 MM doses

    The doses have been allocated and will only cover about 25% of America’s holocaust survivors. ☹️

  129. @eah

    The rapid spread of COVID-19 over the last few weeks to nearly every inhabited corner of the planet is a truly remarkable epidemiological phenomenon, one perhaps without precedent in human history — it is also largely “unexplained”…

    Really.

    Note: “Positive results are indicative of active infection with 2019-nCoV”, but “Negative results do not preclude 2019-nCoV infection” — this must be the first diagnostic test in history with zero probability of a false positive, but non-zero probability of a false negative — ?

    No, it means that the test’s specificity is considerably better than its sensitivity — especially with nasopharyngeal swabs.

    — also a positive test “does not mean COVID-19 is what’s making you sick.”

    What does “co-infection” mean? Why did they use this word?

  130. Fear porn, pure and simple.

    Can’t wait to see the rates of suicide among working class whites recorded during this lockdown bullshit at the end of all this.

    Oh wait, it’ll be determined by some vapid bureaucratic bimbo, similar to the one lauded in this article, that covid-19 causes suicidal thoughts as well, so sticking a gun in your mouth and pulling the trigger will be recorded as a covid-19 death.

  131. A123 says:
    @Alfred

    When shale collapses in the USA, it will never restart. It was never cash flow positive.

    It is a much more complex situation:

    — Shale Oil and Shale Gas are very different.
    — Oil quality (sweet/sour) has a huge impact on price.

    The most desirable situation is sweet crude, adjacent to an existing pipeline. Commonly found in OK/TX, these efforts can be cash flow positive at $15-20/bbl. Further North, less desirable grades, no convenient pipelines — the worst case break even is much higher ($55-60/bbl). Of course, there are a significant number of cases between these two extremes.

    Highly leveraged firms are in a great deal of trouble and there will be bankruptcies. However, new buyers will obtain the producing assets from the Chapter 7 or 11 resolution.

    The big unknown at this point is, “How long will prices stay low”? There will be very little bank financing available for new wells until prices recover.

    PEACE 😷

    • Replies: @Alfred
  132. Mr. Byrd says:

    Ron,

    You are spreading false information, and fanning the flames of hysteria here. I provide two links (I could provide many more): The first shows that many mainstream virologists and epidemiologists see this panic as unnecessary and overblown. Second I have included a link to a story by an informed journalist who appreciates the financial havoc this is generating.

    Let’s start with the UK Guardian story:

    https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=87f4e5e21aaf3f357c1c239778efe9e55c8d8a3f-1585320395-0-AeE7dZJLu6saY-yR4_CM8dWBqo7H5DmIdouK3wImMoqGkAyshf7_wSnavkKLz4mgosMJAXisA1980HZu0oDb9-5E7z4KY3IL1AzN9Rdv4LrHQ0Khbi70tIvIBzcw6luP4ox-wNpqvxxBnvvCZeYu2dmAXS7uj74hhpmOBHuEfVsBY7hN5Izhhg03XqlTo08GS52X3NTWGPc1N7cTmHC2R3ruYabGI4dlh44saZD_MT4f8FeP4Gg56dYcoLqHI7rsBXeDmAk907XsavpErj9j1huzXDbRnjcqoGEd4HC2vf8l6ttujlLO2GJz7HT5BY3S-qwqbr17oBejmwviL7sHr3JFu0aSOGdU7lNDsYl-rYIR

    And a little closer to home: https://trendsresearch.com/coronavirus-pandemic-hype-vs-facts/

    • Replies: @kgbgb
  133. @Bill Jones

    Offset, perhaps, by the people who didn’t die in traffic accidents?

    I’ve come to the realization that the pre-COVID world is irretrievably gone. The cascading defaults set off by the immiseration of the working classes are going to, in the words of W, take this sucker down.

  134. Kim says:
    @Anonymous

    Yes, this is an orchestrated takedown of the economy and the general standard of living around the world.

    It was going to happen anyway, the signs have been clear, but the virus panic is providing cover as the process of impoverishment is implemented. So this is just the first of a series of large downward stair steps into poverty that they have planned for us.

    We will become with each step poorer, weaker, and more vulnerable, and then we shall begin to disappear. Georgia Guidestones, here we come.

    • Agree: AB_Anonymous
    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  135. refl says:
    @cranc

    Prof. Sucharit Bhakdi is the son of Thay diplomats, born in Washington DC, so it should be possible to get an interview or article from him in plain American english.
    Maybe Mr. Unz is able to get something from him. That should terminate this mindless discussion here.

    As the video is in German, I can only say that his educated German and soft accent are impressive. How is it possible that this man evidently cares more for the health and safety of his adopted people then the entirety of officials on the level of the federal governmetn, of 16 Länder, of the entirety of more then 700 members of parliament and the useless person that in all her infinite incompetence pretends to hold the office of federal chancellour?

    Soon, he will be crucified as a Nazi in this country.

  136. On the other hand there is this curious graph from Europe:

    from here: https://www.euromomo.eu/index.html

    And this:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/covid-19-saving-lives

    We use CDC data (detailed below) to analyze weekly US deaths over the last five years (as accessed on March 28 , 2020 ). Figure 1 shows weekly deaths for all ages. For the year 2020, we have data through week 10, or through the week of March 7, 2020.

    There is a clear strong downward sloping trend in the number of deaths at all ages for the current year as compared to the previous 5 years. Moreover, the current year appears to be a break in trend from the previous 5 years. Comparing the difference of the previous 5 -year average with 2020 deaths through March 7 and we find that for week 10, there were close to 9000 fewer deaths – this is nearly a 20 percent decrease in the number of the deaths! The decrease is most evident after week 7 (week ending February 15 , 2020 ).

    • Thanks: Alfred
    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
  137. @Tor597

    “To shut down the whole country would have saved America”

    So we are doomed, then? You either shut down America or you don’t save America. Not much of a choice there.

  138. Trinity says:

    I think yesterday the (((media))) was claiming 2,300 plus deaths in America, and then you had President Kushner’s boy, the guy known as Donald J. Trump state that some hospital in Queens, NY had so many dead bodies from this (((virus))) that they were loading them into HUGE refrigerated trucks. Not sure how big Trump said these trucks were but he made them sound pretty damn HUGE.

    Okay, so the (((media))) is claiming 2,300 deaths plus as of yesterday out of a country of 330 million people give or take. And you know damn well those figures ARE FUDGED. But even if the figures were real, this doesn’t sound that bad. Hell, the way Trump was describing the scene at that Queens hospital, you would have thought that 2,000 of those dead had come from the hospital in Queens alone.

    ANY POSTERS live in the NYC area? IF so, most of us would appreciate IF you could give us the REAL STORY about the “epidemic” of (((coronavirus))) deaths in NYC and the surrounding area. Obviously, “President” Trump is either ignorant or he is in on this shit. Someone told me the Orange Clown was out golfing over the weekend. Now, don’t get me wrong, everyone deserves time off, but if this shit is so serious, what the hell is the man in charge doing out on a golf course? LMAO. I mean didn’t the Orange Man claim we were in a “medical war?” smdh and lol at the LIES.

  139. Wally says:
    @Tor597

    – Get serious, comrade.

    Your epic-fail-Marxists were too busy with their sham TDS ‘impeachment’ proceedings to do or say anything.

    – Trump was way out in front of this and you just can’t handle the truth.

    Once again, Trump was right and the media were wrong: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/once_again_trump_was_right_and_the_media_were_wrong.html
    The NIH had 13 Years to Prepare for Coronavirus But Still Didn’t: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/no_author/the-nih-had-13-years-to-prepare-for-coronavirus-but-still-didnt/
    exc.:
    “In New York, the bureaucracy opted to spend $500 million on illegal aliens instead of on ventilators. Likewise, during the Obama administration, after the 2009 H1N1 epidemic, the Obama administration, despite warnings, never bothered to replenish stockpiles of N95.”
    Trump’s Health Crisis Approval Ratings Top Obama’s: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/27/nolte-trumps-health-crisis-approval-ratings-top-obamas/
    Gallup’s latest survey found that 60% of Americans approve of Mr. Trump’s handling of the coronavirus, https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/24/donald-trumps-job-approval-rating-shows-coronaviru/
    Trump Approval Rating On Handling Of Coronavirus Skyrockets: https://www.dailywire.com/news/trump-approval-rating-on-handling-of-coronavirus-skyrockets
    Trump Town Hall Scores Massive Ratings: https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-town-hall-scores-massive-ratings-for-fox-news/
    Pew Research: 95 Percent of Americans Say Trump’s Travel Bans ‘Necessary’ to Stop Coronavirus: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/26/pew-research-95-percent-of-americans-say-trumps-travel-bans-necessary-to-stop-coronavirus/

  140. @Alfred

    It’s not very clear to anyone what she actually did in Tony Blair’s office. She wasn’t in the inner sanctum. She seems to have wrangled a secondment via Labour party connections, but she is none too bright to say the least, so it’s hard to know what use she was. As a NZer in her late 20s in London she probably spent a fair bit of time in the pub or travelling.

    She’s probably as surprised as anyone to be in the role – she wasn’t elected – but appointed due to the vagaries of the political system. It is extremely dispiriting to read the hagiographic nonsense spouted about her by regiments of AWFLs in the media and on Facebook.

    The country seems to have descended into a childlike state – mostly what happens to societies like this is that barbarians sweep in from the east and kill the men and take the women. NZ is surrounded by so much ocean that we can probably take this experiment to the nth degree and will end up with hereditary child leaders like Tibet or something, and a religion based around devotion to the memory of Jacinda.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  141. refl says:
    @Trinity

    They shut down a park where I live where not many people went to begin with.

    Where I live, the childrens playgrounds have been cordoned off. I imagine the mothers explaining to their little ones that the playgrounds cannot be used because touching the things there can make them sick. Will these children ever want to enter a playground again?
    These kids have been bombarded with “climate catastrophe” and “extinction rebellion” just last year. What sort of a generation is being brought up in this fashion? I just hope that a reasonable number of them will grow up to hate the shitheads who scared them into this situation from the get go.

    • Agree: St-Germain, Alfred
  142. @Carlton Meyer

    Agree. It is noteworthy to contemplate the possibility that the world might not rid itself of the virus for many more months to come. So what would plan b all about. If governments are to quarantine their population for such a long period, those who will pass away from sheer frustration, poverty and desperation and the disastrous economic effects of such a measure would outdo the death toll from Covid19. In Italy more than 95% of those who died from the disease so far are over eighty or were suffering from serious chronic illnesses. Sweden is defying the trend of full lockdown and trusting that people will act responsibly to avoid getting infected. In other countries, people are defying official orders to stay home so they could honour the Friday prayer at mosques. Different strokes for different folks.
    Professor Didier Raoult of France, a world authority on infectious diseases, is fighting hard against establishment resistance to push for chloroquine and derivatives of chloroquine which up to yesterday fully cured more than 700 patients. That would be a big loss to big Pharma.

  143. Wally says:
    @danand

    LOL

    Trump, in spite of the ridiculous ‘impeachment’ distractions, was way out in front of this latest cause celeb Cody.

  144. bjondo says:

    Coronavirus deaths in New York were running at around 50 per day

    Probably higher. The homeless done away with.

    China completely locked down and quarantined the city of Wuhan at a point when only 300 detected infections and 17 deaths had occurred, thereby strictly confining all 11 million residents to their homes

    The Chinese quickly realized they were under attack by the NeoLibCons.
    The Boltons, not Trump.

    5 dancing shlomos

  145. refl says:
    @Levtraro

    This map shows you that Madrid is next to Northern Italy the area with the highest air polution in Europe.

    (From Swiss Propaganda Research https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/ )

    Yo he vivido ahi un par de anos y conosco lo malo que es. UE os ha dado esto, destruindo hospitales que ya eran malos antes con su austeridad. No fue ningun virus. Utilizan esto para cubrir la chapuza que os han hecho.

    • Agree: Jett Rucker
  146. @jack garbo

    More who work in “essential” businesses are calling in sick, maybe whether they are or not. With C-19 hysteria at a fever pitch due to gov’t/media fear porn, what worker is not afraid of catching the virus? Amazon workers are refusing to work, stating their workplaces are dirty and unsafe, with some going on strike (forget 2 day delivery). Those who deliver packages to the locked-down are doing the same, and are demanding more in tips. Strikes may soon happen everywhere.

    Now, with laid off workers soon to get $600/week in non-taxable stimulus money (added on top of their UC), those out-of-work and locked-down like sheep could wind up getting as much $1000 per week, depending on how generous their state UC benefits are.

    Most of those working in grocery stores and warehouses may not make anywhere near the $600, yet they pay taxes on it. They are not only working for nothing, they are losing money by working. There will be cries to: Please lay me off!

    Once those still working come to realize this, who knows what happens next? Will they be ordered to work at the barrel of a gun? This is what happens when you combine lockdowns with excessive government largesse. There can be no such thing as a TOTAL LOCKDOWN, unless we all choose to starve. If they only knew it, those still working are in the driver’s seat, and have the rest of us by the balls.

    • Agree: Jett Rucker
  147. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @UK

    Actually, I am a board-certified Emergency Physician working full-time in emergency departments and additionally, at this time, working in a government temporary hospital set up for helping with the coronavirus epidemic

    • Replies: @UK
  148. Truth says:

    Mr. Unz, Please; more of this silly nonsense. It is the flu, nothing more, and you know it. What do they have pictures of you doing, Old Sport?

    • LOL: Will
    • Replies: @James Scott
  149. anaccount says:

    How can people not see through this global hoax? Covid-19 is a new strain of the common cold and just like many Coronavirus’ it can be lethal to the elderly or immune compromised. That happens every year and yet no concern, apparently everyone was born yesterday.

    Don’t believe me? I don’t blame you, read a little from Dr. John Ioannidis:

    https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/

    Of course there are around 8 new strains running around the world, apparently all from the same batch of bat soup. I bet people believe that one too.

    • Replies: @Truth
  150. skrik says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Flattening the curve is nonsense

    By one definition, ‘socialism’ arose due to government providing services that ‘capitalism’ didn’t want to provide – in most countries, such things as utilities = water, sewage, electricity, telecoms, roads and railways. Back in ‘the day’ governments also provided hospitals and the more enlightened ones, ‘single-payer’ health systems.

    Then some *criminal idiot* neoliberals got the idea to privatise everything in sight, and most costs went ‘through the roof’ – mostly to make the rich ever richer, while service-qualities generally plummeted.

    See my point yet? IF not THEN: Neoliberal capitalism is shown by COVID-19 to be a total failure for us, we the people. To those who say “It’s just the flu,” kindly try to explain collapsing hospital systems so far in Italy and Spain, UK probably next and over 25,000 dead in Europe alone, pending the NY & whole US end-results. Some proof of the above thesis is Trump ordering industry to provide what’s required but currently missing = socialism making a comeback. rgds

    • Agree: FB
  151. Does anyone else think Unz is covering his tracks? A day or so ago he was predicting Armageddon. Now that he realizes this outcome is highly unlikely, he’s looking for a way to wriggle out of his apocalyptic prophecies. He’s got himself covered every which way to Sunday. And he found his Joan of Arc — Dr. Sarah Cody. How convenient.

  152. @Tor597

    Coulda, woulda, shoulda! Trump is only human.

    Do you really think Crooked Hillary, Crazy Bernie or Sleepy Joe would have done better?

    • Agree: Charles
  153. I can’t help but wonder if COVID will follow the pattern of the 1918 flu. If so, its deadly form will arrive in late summer, after the nations have used up their limited resources dealing with the present weak strain.

    Nature’s way of reducing excessive animal populations is by famine or epidemic disease. It’s a foolish conceit that humans can plan for and prevent every negative eventuality. In spite of the ancient superstition, the world is not ours to have dominion over.

  154. bjondo says:

    I was aware of no precedent in modern American history for locking down a major city for health reasons, an action that appeared completely contrary to our widespread notions of civil liberties and constitutional rights.

    A hero/heroine needed for propaganda.

    This virus real; viruses exist. The severity is hype. For what purpose?

    America has survived much worse and the worse was real.

    Always good to shut down Silicon Valley.

    Silicon V geniuses good for spotting truths then censoring.

    Elite Univs. (and the not-so-elite) are centers for new evils.

    5 dancing shlomos

  155. geokat62 says:

    The Government Employee Who May Have Saved a Million American Lives

    Are you revising your one million-plus estimate, Ron… or simply hedging your bet?

  156. God bless The Unz Review and Dr Cody — but if she saved a million lives can we at least hint at how and why before paragraph 19?

  157. refl says:
    @refl

    Hey, somebody lifted my MORE-tag to the beginning of the quote and made my bolds invisible.
    Thank god that I am just a conspiracy nut and not outright paranoid!

  158. @Alfred

    An excellent add-on to your spot-on comment is “The Day of the Pillow” by Jim Goad (Taki’s Magazine, 10-21-19). Even if there was no ‘pandemic,’ (and there wasn’t when he wrote it), no one in nursing or personal care homes should consider themselves safe.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  159. Jett Rucker says: • Website

    … remains of a youthful squirrel …

    Imaginative writing, Ron. How did you ascertain the squirrels’ ages?

    Your special insights notwithstanding, I will opine that the deceased squirrels were, like the great majority of COVID-19’s victims, aged, if not outright infirm.

    They might, in the experience of advanced age, have known to get out of the cars’ way, but between reflexes and declining muscle strength, not to mention eyesight, that advanced age ultimately did them in.

    I’m not a squirrel, but I know all about advanced age …

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  160. Pindos says:

    Perhaps it will turn out that Sarah was the first “Medical Professional” to start the panic ball rolling.

    • LOL: Twodees Partain
  161. @FB

    If you believe the mob that controls the US government shut everything down because they care if a few million die I have a bridge in San Francisco for sale cheap.

    • Agree: Thomasina
    • LOL: Trinity
    • Replies: @Trinity
  162. Wielgus says:
    @Tor597

    I have been wondering how his hotels have been doing. All these cancelled flights, closed borders and lockdowns.

  163. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Only two verys. Verry good. LOL.

  164. UK says:
    @The Scalpel

    Then why don’t you understand that there is always a risk, just as there is always an opportunity cost? Or were you just playing dumb?

    • Replies: @The Scalpel
  165. @Stan d Mute

    Your fellow bible thumpers are making hay from the apocalyptic angle

    What is that even supposed to mean? Most Christian churches have voluntarily closed themselves with only a few tiny exceptions.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  166. @skrik

    To those who say “It’s just the flu,”

    You mean like Dr. Fauci and the New England Journal of Medicine?

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

    “This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2”

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  167. Wielgus says:
    @MrFoSquare

    He seemed uncharacteristically bitter against people not pushing a “we’re all going to die!” line, even suggesting lynching might be a good idea. Rather odd for someone promoting non-standard media.

  168. @Alfred

    Unz is not naive he is just showing his true colors. The people who read this site are the people who will make sure everyone knows jews are responsible for the financial straits the West is in.

    Ron is carrying water for his tribe in hopes they will get to stay in charge after their fake Federal Reserve Note crashes and loses world reserve currency status.

    The elite always get replaced after a currency crashes (think every jew pogrom) and this time will be no different no matter how many lies the jews tell. Ron Unz is proving without a doubt that jews will never help solve our jew problem.

    • Agree: Trinity
  169. Agent76 says:

    March 26, 2020 This Is How Many People Die From the Flu Each Year, According to the CDC

    This year’s flu season is shaping up to be possibly less severe than the 2017-2018 season, when 61,000 deaths were linked to the virus. However, it could equal or surpass the 2018-2019 season’s 34,200 flu-related deaths.

    https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year

    MARCH 27, 2020 101-Year-Old Man Who Survived Spanish Flu Pandemic Recovers From The Coronavirus

    The patient, who the hospital identified only as “Mr. P” was born during one of the greatest pandemics in history—the Spanish flu pandemic that killed roughly 50 million people and sickened a quarter of the world’s population.

    https://www.naturalblaze.com/2020/03/101-year-old-man-who-survived-spanish-flu-pandemic-recovers-from-the-coronavirus.html

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  170. ANZ says:

    During a very deadly pandemic, having “lockdowns” is a justifiable course of action because the benefits of saving lives is worth the cost of economic hardship. Spanish flu, which killed healthy adults in their prime would be something that I would support, or also Ebola where the mortality is around 50%. By most indications, COVID is mainly fatal for the elderly.

    That said, “lockdowns” would be much more acceptable in a healthy society where there is high trust as social solidarity. The current state of U.S. affairs is anything but. We live in a predatory economy where bad actors are using these times to fleece the public and further consolidate their power. Our economy was on the brink of collapse before the current virus scare. In this light, it’s more difficult to argue that the instigators of mass self-quarantines are saviors. They may well be part of the vehicle that enslaves more of us to debt peonage.

  171. Anonymous[246] • Disclaimer says:
    @Antares

    Yours is probably the dumbest comment in the thread and that wasn’t an easy task given the fierce competition.

    They have it under control now which gives them time to perfect treatments and testing. As long as the national borders are tightly monitored (everything and everyone entering the country tested and quarantined) they can allow their people and businesses to operate with minimal internal restrictions. This is by far the best approach for any sane country that wants to save lives and businesses.

    The biggest danger is a deliberate attempt to restart the cycle from abroad.

  172. Good article.

    China completely locked down and quarantined the city of Wuhan at a point when only 300 detected infections and 17 deaths had occurred, thereby strictly confining all 11 million residents to their homes. Not long afterward, similar measures were applied to the 60 million residents of the surrounding province of Hubei, and later extended to include some 700 million Chinese across the country, a medical quarantine perhaps a thousand times larger than any such previous effort in human history.

    I’m grunching, but I wager many have objected to the foregoing’s veracity. To the naysayers, who may well be right, I would remind of Zheng He. The Chinese have a strange and underused capacity for almost superhuman orchestrations.

    At this stage, no one can easily predict how many Americans may die from the Coronavirus by early summer, and perhaps some miracle drug will come along quickly enough to change the situation.

    The solution seems obvious if unpalatable to civil libertarians. Establish 1) quick testing facilities at all major businesses, such as grocery stores, gas stations or other major public accommodations. 2) Those who test negative will be given a credential indicating their health status. This could be in the form of some kind of electronic token on a cellular device, or even a card worn around the neck or any similar credentialization scheme.

    Those testing positive will be relegated to mandatory 21-day stay-at-home quarantines. 3) All public accomodations, including minor ones that lack testing facilities, will deny entry to anyone not credentialed as negative.

    This would be, of course, an extreme breach of multiple republican principles, some codified in the Constitution. But the good news is that such a scheme would only need to be run for a limited time period as it would devastate the virus’ reproduction. I don’t know how Zeno’s paradox squares with the terminal behavior of epidemics. But I imagine strict prohibition from public accommodations of the infected would stamp it out entirely in a matter of weeks.

    If this is not feasible and the epidemic drags on, census testing the entire population and ordering the sick into strict quarantines would be a close second place.

  173. Pindos says:

    The whole store got the flu.

  174. Yeah, about those widespread notions of civil liberties. Widespread US notions of civil liberties are decades behind the world standard, which permits derogation of all the relevant rights (assembly, movement, etc.) subject to the provisos of ICCPR Article 4 and the Siracusa Principles. But US officials are so indoctrinated to blithe ignorance that they vilify countries like China that lawfully derogate rights, until they panic and blow off our rights pell-mell with no regard to the law.

    COVID-19 is the USA’s Chernobyl. The CIA regime developed a viral chimera in breach of the Biological Weapons Convention; CIA performed medical experiments on the US population in a crime against humanity in the meaning of the Moscow Declaration; CIA used it on the civilian population in breach of the 1925 Geneva Convention and the Convention Relative to the Opening of hostilities. The USA has breached its responsibility to protect. Its crimes make it a failed state in law. That means the world, including US regions, have erga omnes obligation to step in.

    The federal government is terminally diseased by CIA impunity, incapacitated by kleptocracy and violence. Local and regional officials urgently need to educate themselves on the requisites of responsible sovereignty. This is anarchy – anarchy is nothing more than peoples taking on duties the state shirks. Any US region can assert its sovereignty by acceding to three instruments: the International Bill of Human Rights, the Rome Statute, and the UN Charter. At that point you’re an independent state – you can carry out your responsibility to protect without federal interference. International recognition will follow as you prove your good faith in interpreting the instruments.

    It’s long past time time to do to the USA what we did to the USSR. Break it up into peaceful successor states. We should not lift a finger to elect any local politician who doesn’t understand this.

  175. Mr. Anon says:
    @RodW

    Maybe people who care should be looking at controlling readily available products that serve no purpose but to degrade health and lung capacity.

    Who says smoking doesn’t serve a purpose? People do it because they like it. They like the taste, the sensation, and the effect. Sure, it’s bad for you, and it has consequences. Nobody needs to ski, kayak, bicycle, or climb mountains either (all of which can have some pretty serious health consequences).

  176. @jsinton

    The reality is that those living in poverty generally have weaker immune systems than those who do not live in poverty. It’s not only nutritional. Lack of proper rest/sleep weakens the immune system, and those living in poverty are more likely to have proper rest/sleep.
    Since the US, and much of (((the West))) decided large numbers of the population were disposable, poverty has risen, which puts more people at risk for all diseases. If large numbers of the disposables die, it’s a win/win for the psychopaths who run the show:
    – the wealth transfer goes off without a hitch;
    – the panic will allow mass vaccinations of questionable efficacy to make Big Pharma more profitable;
    – the bailout will not require the cause (derivatives) of the market collapse to be dismantled;
    – they can run the same programme in about 100 years.

  177. Truth says:
    @anaccount

    It boggles the mind a bit doesn’t it?

    It makes you wonder just how many shills the Overseers have on payroll. The general (Middle Class, White) population can’t be this stupid.

  178. Sokrates says:
    @FB

    Something is REALLY fishy.

    Read on:

    Coronavirus outbreak: The German government was warned of the dangers of a looming pandemic and did nothing.

    The government was warned of the danger of such an outbreak nearly a decade ago—and did nothing. As early as 2012, a study had pointed out that the necessary medical care for the population in the event of a virus pandemic “exceeds existing capacities many times over.” The study had been prepared by the Robert Koch Institute and submitted to the Bundestag (federal parliament) by the government itself, as part of the “Reporting on Risk Analysis in Civil Protection 2012.”

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/03/16/coro-m16.html

  179. Based upon the data I’ve seen, I hope that Santa Clara County can escape with just a few hundred fatalities, while I fear that the death toll in New York may be in the many tens of thousands or even higher

    You fear nothing of the sort. It’s clear from your scribblings that you wish great harm upon the rest of the country, a result of that weird California nativism which requires dumping on all states that aren’t California. I believe this inferiority complex has gotten worse in recent years as more people mock California for passing ridiculous things like SB-54 and allowing the homeless to control its 2 major cities.

    And the reason California has relatively few cases vs. cold Northern cities is because of warm weather, not Dr. Sarah Cody. Weather has saved your asses. So far.

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
  180. @utu

    Taiwan probably had the best intelligence on what really was going on in China

    Possibly, and if true, that would explain why a couple of Taiwanese virologists were convinced this started in the US.

  181. @Intelligent Dasein

    Curve-flattening does absolutely nothing to reduce the number of people who will contract and presumably die from the virus. All it does is spread the deaths over a longer period of time. It’s all about saving the healthcare system, not people’s lives.

    If the healthcare system is overwhelmed, it effectively ceases to exist for all patients subsequent to its demise. In the particular case of Covid 19, it is uncertain to what degree the purported 15 percent of those requiring hospitalization benefit from it. But if their number is significant, then what you claim is false.

    I know, I know. Someone is going to come back with the argument that if the healthcare system gets overwhelmed by corona patients, then people with other routine health problems are going to die because they won’t be able to get care. This is ridiculous. There are other ways to expand the capacity of the healthcare system that do not require telling 330 million Americans to hunker down and not leave their homes.

    Expanding the healthcare system means expanding facilities and personnel. How long, on average, do you figure it takes to bring the average critical healthcare worker from off the street to being able to offer patients a better chance at survival than just staying home, much less providing optimal care?

  182. Mr. Anon says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Event 201 Pandemic Exercise: Segment 1, Intro and Medical Countermeasures (MCM) Discussion

    “Comments are turned off”

    Why are comments turned off? Too many questions?

  183. Alfred says:
    @A123

    Commonly found in OK/TX, these efforts can be cash flow positive at $15-20/bbl.

    That oil is no longer there – because it was obviously the first to go. This chart shows how quick the decline is for more recent drilling.

    The idea that someone will come in and buy cheaply the assets and make money on the deal is a nonsense. The costs are generated by constant drilling and the need to lay new pipelines – running costs. The moment drilling stops, depletion sets in. Newer wells deplete in 12 months. It is the very opposite of buying an aircraft with a high capital and low running cost. Of course, today no one wants to buy a civilian aircraft at almost any price.

    As for gas, it is being flared in newer wells. The price has been too low for years to justify selling it. The drilling was strictly for the oil.

    • Replies: @A123
  184. hetro says:
    @danand

    Did the infected faculty member die? What are the specifics of that person’s case?

  185. Anonymous[214] • Disclaimer says:
    @MrFoSquare

    How about Dr Fauci’s claim that 100-200k deaths are possible, setting Americans up for accepting an eventual unproved assertion that the subsequent lack of such deaths was due to government intervention, which then serves as justification for more.

    This insulting logical fallacy characterizing government interventions that Fauci’s setting up goes like this: “Unless you accept our interventions, there will be 100-200k deaths. There were not 100-200k deaths; therefore, our interventions were successful.”

    Or how about brainwashing so effective that citizens start mumbling about “flattening the curve.”

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  186. @Richard B

    China and America have different political systems, each with its own strengths and weaknesses.

    “In other words, China Good! America Bad! Ugh! Communism Good! Freedom Bad! Ugh!”

    On the other hand, it could mean both are imperfect, which would be accurate. There are many political “systems” in the world, whether republics or democracies. They have different rules for elections, voter eligibility, representation, and many other internal workings. The fact that there are so many different systems is an indication that no system is perfect. In every case, there is corruption. The type and level of corruption varies depending on the strengths and weaknesses of that particular system.

    Freedom? In China, you can’t criticize the government, but you can criticize race, creed, colour, religion, homosexuality, and a myriad of other topics without being punished or harassed by the government. It depends on how you define “freedom”.

    • Replies: @Georgia
    , @onebornfree
  187. The CIA regime is busted for germ warfare. The SCO is preparing its bill of indictment for the war crimes trials to come.

    https://indianpunchline.com/russia-quizzes-us-on-coronavirus-parentage/

    What will you have to say for yourself when the good guys win and the Red Army comes to mop up?

  188. @MrFoSquare

    That’s exactly what he’s doing and what they’re all doing. After global deaths peter put at less than 100,000 they will all applaud their own efforts and act as if they saved millions of lives, just like Bernanke did with the financial system. There is something wrong with that generation.

  189. @The Scalpel

    According to the CDC there were 80,000 death in the US due to flu complications in 2018. That was a particularly bad year with “the “normal” range being between 20,000 and 50,000, again according to CDC numbers. Given those stats, it is hardly surprising that there have been a great many deaths from flu complications in 2020.

    If WWI was said to have been fought by lions led by donkeys and WWII by “the greatest generation” will it later be said that those of WWIII threw in the towel early and gave up their freedoms due to a nasty bout of the flu and poor access to toilet rolls? The wimpiest generation perhaps? Don’t squeeze the Charmin!

    • Replies: @The Scalpel
  190. skrik says:
    @Antares

    It is in the best interest of mankind that the Chinese approach will backfire devastatingly

    Whatever it takes – and Wuhan/China appears to be ‘out of the woods;’ Italy, Spain, NYC, USA etc. not so much.

    But it wasn’t ‘just’ a total lock-down [however much you may love your precious ‘freedoms’], try this:

    ...”The lockdown in Wuhan on January 23 was not enough to end the growth of the number of cases.

    It was only after February 2, when Wuhan introduced the isolation of suspected cases and of people who had close contact with confirmed cases, that it gained a grip on the crisis:

    What really turned the tide in Wuhan was a shift after Feb. 2 to a more aggressive and systematic quarantine regime whereby suspected or mild cases—and even healthy close contacts of confirmed cases—were sent to makeshift hospitals and temporary quarantine centers.

    The tactics required turning hundreds of hotels, schools and other places into quarantine centers, as well as building two new hospitals and creating 14 temporary ones in public buildings. It also underscored the importance of coronavirus testing capacity, which local authorities say was expanded from 200 tests a day in late January to 7,000 daily by mid-February.

    To send anyone who has mild symptoms home to be cared for by family only increases the speed of the epidemic as all family members are then likely to get catch the virus.

    Tests and care for Covid-19 must be for free. We need hospitals to care for only the critical cases. We need quarantine centers to isolate the milder cases from the wider population.”

    Hospitals in ‘the West’ are showing a collapse-tendency [also, now over 25,000 dead in Europe in a short interval], has this happened lately with ‘normal’ flu? rgds

    • Replies: @refl
    , @Twodees Partain
  191. Alfred says:
    @Cowboy Shaw

    I agree completely. She was not a decision-maker. In fact, Tony Blair was not a decision-maker either. The point I am making is that it is not a large office and there is no possible way that those doing any sort of secretarial, archival or PR work were not 100% committed to fooling the public of the UK. Heavens, even those looking after the toilets knew what was going on.

  192. tempus says:

    How do we know that all the people whom governments and the medical industry claim to have died from coronavirus have really died from the coronavirus? These people lie to us all the time. Why should we believe them now?

    • Replies: @Trinity
  193. onebornfree says: • Website

    “Fiddling The Figures – The Magic Trick – David Icke ‘Virus’ Update”:

    Attention All Slaves! Food For Thought! Various videos that document no patients at CV-19 “treatment centers”

    “Heroic Citizens Going to Local Hospitals and Fact-Checking the LYING MSM”:

    “Nothing is going on, quiet, no ambulances racing in, empty, nothing happening…It’s all BS!!!! The MSM is giving the impression that hospitals are war zone, bodies are piling up, we are in the medical crisis of our lives, yet when these people visit their local hospitals, NOTHING is happening, they are ghost towns!! Tons of ambulances just sitting their parked, EMTs hanging out and playing with their phones, etc,

    Jason Goodman- NYC Man Searches NYC Hospital for CV-19 Patients, Can’t Find Any??
    “It’s odd that in a city as big as NYC, in the midst of a pandemic, a key hospital looks quiet and employees haven’t seen any victims”

    To view the videos go here : http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?102096-Heroic-Citizens-Fact-Check-the-LYING-MSM-about-Corona

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Thanks: Agent76
  194. Alfred says:
    @follyofwar

    no one in nursing or personal care homes should consider themselves safe

    If they are lucky, some doctor will speed them on their way. 🙂

    Harold Shipman: Doctor Death Who Killed 250 Patients

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @Robjil
  195. Cyrano says:

    China completely locked down and quarantined the city of Wuhan at a point when only 300 detected infections and 17 deaths had occurred, thereby strictly confining all 11 million residents to their homes. Not long afterward, similar measures were applied to the 60 million residents of the surrounding province of Hubei, and later extended to include some 700 million Chinese across the country, a medical quarantine perhaps a thousand times larger than any such previous effort in human history.

    Everybody is praising China and their quick response to the virus – maybe too quick. How come the Chinese had their wits about them and knew what they are dealing with, so soon after the outbreak? How come they knew right away that quarantining 700 million people is not going to be an overkill?

    The only conclusion that I can come up with is that the Chinese had intimate knowledge of the Corona virus. In fact their knowledge of the virus was so intimate, that I suspect that they were sleeping with the virus. And since the virus was basically underage at that time – I guess you can call the Chinese – a virus molesters. They took advantage of the poor virus when it wasn’t of legal age to give its consent.

    • Replies: @Huskynut
  196. Anonymous[246] • Disclaimer says:
    @MrFoSquare

    No, moron. We’ll see soon enough how badly COVID-19 will end up affecting nations that decide to walk it off.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  197. Agent76 says:

    Who knew the government always has practice exercise before any event happens?

    Nov 4, 2019 Event 201 Pandemic Exercise: Segment 4, Communications Discussion and Epilogue Video

    Event 201 is a pandemic tabletop exercise hosted by The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. The exercise illustrated the pandemic preparedness efforts needed to diminish the large-scale economic and societal consequences of a severe pandemic.

  198. These virus threads provide a great opportunity to hone critical thinking skills. There are posts ranging from “these are obviously the end times” to “this is a obviously a plot by someone to destroy the economy” to “it’s just the flu.” You don’t know whether the posters are everyday people, 9/11 truthers, holocaust deniers, CCP trolls, or just plain crazy, so you can’t separate signal from noise based on the personal motivation of the poster. All you have to go on is the evidence presented (frequently none) and whether the argument is sound.

    I think the only thing missing is a claim that the virus was deliberately unleashed by radical environmentalists to cleanse the Earth of humans. But I’m sure that has been said by someone somewhere.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  199. @The Grim Joker

    This reminds me of the girl they touted as a big hero in the Gulf War only that fairy tale turned out to be propaganda rubbish.

    Jessica Lynch

    • Replies: @The Grim Joker
  200. Mr. Anon says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    You mean like Dr. Fauci and the New England Journal of Medicine?

    Like John Kerry on the Gulf War, Fauci was for the coronavirus before he was against it.

    As you point out, the man who told USA Today that America had nothing to worry about from Coronavirus about the same time he was scaring Congressmen enough for them to dump their stock portfolios is the man the nation turns to to “keep us safe”.

  201. @Peripatetic Commenter

    I blame the Trump Effect.

    Clearly, all those people who should have died said:

    Fuck you Trump. We are going to live until you are defeated!

  202. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @UK

    Do you wear a seatbelt?

    In a crowded space, do you cover your mouth if you cough?

    Your prior answers indicate no, which makes you wreckless and selfish on most other’s scale. You are probably OK with that. I have a wife and kids I care about, as well as well-intentioned people in general. I have no issue with those taking reasonable precautions, and I will allow others to be free to define what is “reasonable” for themselves. You are entitled to your definition of “reasonable.” Please just stay away from others if you develop a cough or fever.

  203. A123 says:
    @Alfred

    I believe that chart is wrong, but I do not have an equivalent at my fingertips. Even though it is labelled oil it looks like the trends for gas.

    When there is an “on topic ” thread for oil/gas we can pick up this discussion again.

    PEACE 😷

  204. Wielgus says:
    @Agent76

    Was the 1918 flu dangerous to the very young, though? It took a toll of young, healthy adults for the most part.

  205. @onebornfree

    I have watched this video and it blows the coronavirus scam out of the water!

  206. jlc says:

    Ron,
    These novel bugs hang around until until 60%+ of the population is infected thus allowing “herd immunity.” Any infections prevented now will pick up in the fall and winter, as in the much more difficult Second Wave infections of fall/winter 1918 compared to the spring infections of 1918.
    Vaccine or drugs only hope till herd immunity reached.

  207. Trinity says:
    @James Scott

    Best post on the Jew Flu epidemic that I have read so far.

  208. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    “Within ten days both idiot governors of NV and MI will be forced to rescind their bogus restrictions on HCQ. The history books will say the decisive battles were won in Didier Raoult’s hospital first quarter 2020 and from here it will be an extended period of mop up operations.”

    You punching through a waterfall.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
    , @anonymous
  209. Trinity says:
    @tempus

    EXACTLY. Noted lies from the past the (((media))) and ZOG have fed the gullible public.

    Pearl Harbor
    WWII
    Holohoax
    JFK
    USS Liberty “accident”
    Gulf of Tonkin
    9-11 “official narrative”
    5 dancing Shlomos were completely innocent
    “they are jealous of our freedoms” ( I particularly love this gem by ZIO puppet Dubya)
    WMD ( people, have we forgotten this one already?)
    IMO they lied about killing Osama Bin Laden, that geezer probably died years prior
    Assad was gassing his own people

    These are just a few that come to mind, I am sure there are many others.

    • Agree: anarchyst, follyofwar, Rurik
    • Replies: @Rurik
  210. Dutch Boy says:

    The Chinese took decisive action after they allowed 5 million to leave Wuhan for the Chinese New Year.

  211. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @NoseytheDuke

    I’m not advocating giving up freedoms. I am advocating, to put it in your terms, winning the battle by putting to use our military discipline, and then going out and having a beer with you after the battle is over because, well, you are still alive, and we helped save each others ass.

    • Replies: @The Scalpel
  212. The two-birds-with-one-stone solution is as plain as the nose on Pinocchio’s face. We elderly males are highly vulnerable and will benefit from lockdown. Providing the young with employment is a vital priority. Therefore, the government should subsidize the salaries of healthy nubile young women who will provide us round the clock care, preferably working in shifts . Q.E.D.:Problem solved!

    • LOL: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Wielgus
    , @Alfred
  213. @TomSchmidt

    “We had to destroy the nation in order to save it”

    • Agree: Wielgus
    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  214. Charles says:

    Only time will tell if Cody’s actions were meaningful, that is saved lives which would otherwise have been lost, but I am not getting why commentors are attacking Unz for pointing her out. None of the people claiming he’s “covering his tracks” or otherwise being dishonest in his motives would ever – even if they had the time and capacity to do so – start a website publishing far-flung and banned opinions. MSM outlets claim Unz is a “failed politician” who runs an “anti-Semitic, racist, White supremacy” website. If those things were true, he’d have 10x the readership. I don’t read all his columnists, but those he does publish prove that Unz really believes in that old canard “free speech”.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  215. Mr. Unz is to be heartily thanked for running E. Michael Jones’  article alongside his own of today. In doing so, he has provided his readership with the explication of his own thesis’ evidence-free, contradictory and non- sequitur foundation: 

    UNZ:  “The Coronavirus is extremely contagious …  

    JONES:  “…if you admit the existence of COVID-19… 

    UNZ:  …and once it has significantly established itself within a community, the only effective means of halting the rapid spread is through a full social lock-down.”

     JONES:  …you must accede to the state’s guidelines in dealing with it..”

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  216. Will says:

    Ron continues pushing “pandemic” flatulence based on a 0.01% US “infection” rate & a 1% mortality rate, less severe, BTW, than the common flu which statistics the CDC also inflates to dupe the goyim into vaccinations.

    Unz himself is becoming a propaganda-pushing clown with more authors, most recently Andrew Joyce, with his panegyric to 60 Minutes for identifying the virus source as the Wuhan fish market, hopping on the goy duping bandwagon. Why not the North Pole, Andrew?

    Mr. Unz, true to the form of all the MSM fake “mass shootings”, would like to offer us a hero as well, a woman in a cape who miraculously saved millions, who knows, maybe all of California or the world even from infection/death. In her Bolshevik-style lockdown, not allowing people the liberty to do as they please, their right to assemble, their liberty to get sick if they so choose, etc., Dr. Sarebear saved you from the evil, non-threatening, non-lethal Coronavirus. Stalin in a skirt who saved us from nothing is the archetypal hero Unzy would like for us to embrace. No thanks. I’ll take economic liberty, freedom of assembly, the freedom to be human and make bad decisions after being warned or informed.


    Unz.com is quickly becoming a propaganda operation aside from Philip Giraldi and a few others.

    For your consideration:

    [MORE]

    https://ncov2019.live/

    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/03/17/corona-bologna-the-truth-begins-to-leak-out/

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/25/inaccurate-virus-models-are-panicking-officials-into-ill-advised-lockdowns/

    https://mises.org/power-market/cash-and-coronavirus

  217. @Alfred

    Keeping old and sick institutionalized people alive indefinitely has mostly to do with keeping the Medicare/Medicaid dollars flowing. Why should the staff give a sh*t about the incontinent inmates, whose stinking sh*t they must clean up every day?

    A case of Covid-19 running rampant thru a nursing home is a powerful incentive to give them the needle, not hook them up to a ventilator. Regardless, they will be listed as another C-19 death, not that they died of old age.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  218. utu says:

    NYC and NYS data when looked at together have some problems. The NYC data do not show exponential growth and sometimes exceed NYS values. Furthermore I can’t find an official site providing the numbers. Daily Mail often publishes the graphs.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  219. anonymous[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    After all your deranged postings here in support of the truth of the Trump/Russia collusion hoax why should anyone trust your opinions? You always speak with such certainty and yet you are mostly wrong when it comes to the facts.

    In fact, looking back on your past posts, you really have very little of substance to ever add to any conversation. Usually just ill-founded criticisms and sarcasm.

    There must be something seriously lacking in your life for you to behave in such a way.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  220. @Charles

    I don’t read all his columnists, but those he does publish prove that Unz really believes in that old canard “free speech”.

    Ron Unz on December 26th, 2019:

    One major source of confusion is that I have NEVER claimed anywhere that this is some sort of “free speech” website

    Read the entire comment. You’ll find it…enlightening.

    • Thanks: AaronB
    • Troll: L.K
  221. Jason Goodman exposes NYTimes’and Colleen Smith’s and Donald,Trump’s fake news about Elmhurst,Hospital,Bronx.

    Colleen Smith who doesn’t even work at Elmhurst,Hospital ,NY and NYTimes admit filming is illegal at hospital knowingly brake the law to make fake coronavirus ‘news’!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8156481/ER-doctor-films-coronavirus-crisis-inside-Elmhurst-Hospital-Queens.html

    Note:that the source,of Times for-Trump,and-NY Times Lies About Coronavirus

    at-Bronx Elmhurst,Hospital is ‘Dr. Colleen Smith who:doesn’t,appear to be a doctor

    at, Elmhurst,Hospital but runs emergency ‘simulations’instead!:

    Colleen Smith, MD – FemInEM

    Video:Trump,NY Times Lie About Coronavirus

    Trump Describes Seeing Body Bags At NYC hospital: ‘I’ve …
    10 hours ago – President Trump described scenes from Elmhurst Hospital near his native home in Queens, N.Y. The president explained seeing television reports showing “body bags” in trucks and said, “I’ve never seen anything like it.”». … TRUMP BREAKING NEWS

    Is-Trump-lieing-along-with-NY-Times-about-massive-deaths-at-Elmhurst-Hospital-in-Queens?

    See-this-bs-from-Trump-about-‘body-bags’-then-the-citizen-investigation-with-link-below-it-exposing-the-lie.

    Trump Describes Seeing Body Bags At NYC hospital: ‘I’ve Never Seen Anything

    ………

    Truth-about-Trump ‘s-Elmlhust-Hospital-in-Queens.Trump-lies-about-NY–CORONAVIRUS-HOAX-JUST-AS-HE-DID-ABOUT-ARABS-CELEBRATING-IN-NY-ON-9/11-WHEN-INSTEAD-THEY-WERE-iSRAELIS! Trump-and-NY-Times-and-the-Demorats-WORK’-TOGETHER-AGAINST-US-!.

    crowdsourcethetruth-exposes–Truth-about-Elmhurst-Hospital.:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1653&v=35dMy28hWuM&feature=emb_logo

    • Replies: @Trinity
    , @onebornfree
  222. Robjil says:
    @Alfred

    This is happening all over the US.

    Older sick patients are given “palliative” care with morphine until they die.

    https://www.choiceillusion.org/2018/11/linda-isner-of-murdered-by-hospice-vote.html

    Withholding water and food is legal in all 50 states. I seen it in action. I was horrified that it could be done in the USA.

    Because terminal sedation, and the withholding of food and water (now considered a medical treatment) are legal in 50 states, it’s not legal when it is done without consent and against someone’s knowledge. This is murder.

    It is a big business, anyone can be “enrolled” in it.

    The fraud of illegally enrolling patients who aren’t dying, misdiagnosed, records falsifications, malpractices, has caused an innumerable number of deaths. From not being told they must give up all treatment to the one size fits all prescription of the above mentioned drugs this has been going on since at least 1998 as The NY Times reported on Hospice Boom Giving Rise To New Fraud. Since then nothing has been done to ensure patients safety.

    The US can easily up the Covid- 19 deaths with this gimmick.

  223. Andrew P says:
    @Daniel Rich

    Nope. Higher temperatures and full sun will make doorknobs and car interiors hot, and that will kill virus on those surfaces. But it does nothing for indoor spaces, and does nothing to mitigate the spread between persons. Most virus spread is from asymptomatic and presymptomatic people who are simply breathing.

  224. Coronavirus epidemic

    I’ve seen this word epidemic thrown around haphazardly as of late.

    I think it is irresponsible to do so at this time.

    Allow me to rehash a comment I just made under a different article.

    [MORE]

    Epidemic = affecting or tending to affect a disproportionately large number of individuals within a population, community, or region at the same time.

    When it comes to the flu the CDC defines an epidemic as 7.3% of the population. Maybe that number should be a little different for corona (I am open to suggestions if someone thinks there is a better number to use), but let’s run with it because it seems like a reasonable number that fits the definition of an epidemic.

    145542 Americans have been diagnosed with the coronavirus.

    145542/327000000 = 0.00044508256

    That is 4.4 hundredths of one percent of the total U.S. population.

    Quite short of the 7.3% “epidemic threshold”.

    I live in Georgia. Georgia has 2809 cases and a population of 10.52 million people.

    2809/10520000 = 0.0002670152

    2.6 hundredths of one percent of Georgians have been diagnosed with coronavirus.

    New York has been hit the hardest.

    New York state has 60679 cases and a population of 19.54 million people.

    60679/19540000 = 0.00310537359

    0.3% of New Yorkers have been diagnosed with the coronavirus.

    Still 7% shy of a an epidemic.

    While I understand everyone’s concern, especially as the media has cranked the hysteria dial to 11, I do not think the time for panic is upon us. Panic will not improve our situation and likely will cloud our best judgment.

    Cheers to everyone’s continued health and wellbeing.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  225. Sean says:

    Maybe democracy just does not work and we need the Chinese Communist Party, or the rule of technocrats serving wealth under the guise of elections deciding anything. I dare say the so called family offices in London watching the Santa Clara billionaires’ money have much of it invested in China. Everyone’s pension funds are there anyway. Santa Clara is big Tech land, the richest county in the US, it is also very densely populated and with racial diversity disguising economic inequality. Skin in the game is worrying about what the neighbours might do; it makes for a very trenchant analysis. No coincidence that it was Santa Clara that precipitated the national lockdown.

    THE ratio of Bill Gates’s wealth pile to that of the average US citizen is roughly the same as that of the richest Roman aristocrats in AD400. Scheidel observes that, left to their own devices, most societies – including ancient Rome – seem to reach a demographic and technological limit of inequality. “Only specific types of violence have consistently forced down inequality,” Scheidel writes. War has to be total; revolution has to be ultraviolent and socially pervasive; state failure has to lead to violence so intense that “it wipes the slate clean”. Ditto the social effects of pandemics.

    The growth of China applied pressure to the West, and from being meta stable the West has simply collapsed. Thi is a coup de main, China has started World War 3 and almost won it at a stroke. As suggested by the Four Horsemen, war gives infectious disease its chance, but epidemics let the rising power double down. More soldiers died in the US Civil War from infectious disease than combat. World War One was the first conflict in which most of the deaths among soldiers were due to wounds from combat, but there were still a substantial proportion, something like a third, killed by infectious disease even in WW1. The rising power (the US) was better able to cope with the Spanish Flu. Byzantium had the Justinian Plague, and the Neolithic farmers of Europe had their settlements (with the largest buildings in the world at that time) devastated by disease before the Yamnaya turned up.

    Carelessly concluding that extreme close contact with infected materiel at a market caused the Wuhan outbreak, the Chinese said on 7 Jan that they had identified the Wuhan pathogen as a Coronavirus, but it did not spread between people. Now they are preening as the great fighters of COVID-19, but they are largely responsible for causing it. Because pangolin scales are a ‘masculinity enhancer’ it is the most trafficked animal in the world. Chinese men wish to be more masculine than nature has made them, a bat,/pangolin chimera with an ACE-2 hook from a pangolin infect the West vastly more effectively . Nasal tissue is rich in ACE-2, first symptom of COVID-19 is loss of smell, that shows the virus is infecting neurons, ACE-2 is also abundant in the testis. Coronavirus will not change the balls and brains of Westerners for the better.

    Meanwhile, China has had no domestically caught COVID-19 cases for days and banned foreigners entering China in case they suffer the decimation being visited on the West by the pathogen Chinese greed, insecurity, and incompetence have caused. The Chinese Communist party surely see this crisis as shaping up as a way for China to attain world preeminence or at least a position it can be reached from.

    Dr. Anthony S. Fauci of the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland, stated that as of now MERS-CoV “does not spread in a sustained person to person way at all.”

    Also from a bat, MERS was via a camel instead of a pangolin like the Wuhan pathogen. However the Chinese assumed the Wuhan pathogen (SARS-CoV-2) was like MERS-CoV. Fauci, now a member of the White House Task Force, said on March 25 that COVID-19 could become endemic, and a second cycle beginning in the October 2020 is ‘inevitable’. Every twenty 0r thirty years there is a flu epidemic, and people have been saying we were overdue for one for decades.

    The lockdown is not just stopping deaths from COVID-19, but also preventing those deaths that would have otherwise occurred from endemic influenza, which is what finishes the elderly and infirm off. Thus, the lockdown means dry tinder accumulating on the forest floor. Those who would have died of endemic influenza constitute a vulnerable substrate for an influenza epidemic and an exceedingly difficult political problem. When we come out of lockdown, there are going to be a vast number of deaths in a short space of time, even if COVID-19 is completely eradicated.

  226. refl says:
    @skrik

    Wuhan introduced the isolation of suspected cases and of people who had close contact with confirmed cases, that it gained a grip on the crisis:

    Apart from the fact that you uncritically use that number of 25 000 (which is not even much, regarding that you are talking about a number of highly populated countries combined) and that you still don’t get that these are cases WITH corona, not necessarily suffering anything FROM corona, this quote about the message used in China gives me an idea:
    If in the next stage they start to isolate by force the contacts of their “corona cases” – will they track the mobile devices of all of us to pick out people who have clustered nearby a “case”?
    I mean, the truth is dripping out that the hospitals are in some areas virtually empty. All it takes is ordering forced hospitalisations of some bogus risk carriers. It is easy to find out who has been in proximity to whom, find out where they are and send a riot police squad to break into their houses. Why should the abdication of habeas corpus stop at a point as marginally important as your front door?
    And while they already have you hospitalized, what hinders any incompetent doctor to shove a ventilator down your throat? Apply some medicine that does you more harm then good? If the only thing between reality and the narrative they need is an impressive number of hospitalisations and an impressive body count, that can be done!

    • LOL: PetrOldSack
    • Replies: @skrik
  227. @UK

    Thank you for the link to that insightful and nuanced article by a healthcare professional. It properly puts Covid-19 into perspective. Here’s that article again for those who missed it. Recommended!

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-to-understand-and-report-figures-for-covid-19-deaths-

    • Replies: @The Scalpel
    , @The Scalpel
  228. @NoseytheDuke

    That is exactly what the zionists are doing to America!

  229. Wielgus says:
    @Montefrío

    It would be nice if it happened, but I fear this is a trifle utopian.

  230. Georgia says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Meaning in China you can do what the “Party” says you can do — exactly the system we are seeing now imposed here also with an iron fist over a bad Cold Virus….NWO “Elites” love the ChiCom “Party” system and we are being told how great it is constantly by the NYSlimes and Mainslime Media now UNZ is telling us that too — there is no free Media in China, no UNZ type opinion places questioning the “Party” are allowed, so what the truth is in WuHan we actually have zero idea. I saw some videos of riots yesterday there and cop cars rolled over–are those fake? Suicides, hopeless people jumping off buildings also filmed–yet we have people praising them based on pure propaganda….

    • Replies: @Richard B
    , @follyofwar
  231. The US-American system has room for people like Sarah Codyet. al. – and helps even the president o the United States (Bodb Dylan) to – learn even in a state of emergency. Now its up to him. If he does not get what’s up, – he can shut up too. Why not? – Play a round of golf and let the experts do what is necessary. – – Then come back and – get re-elected!?

  232. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Curmudgeon

    “Freedom? In China, you can’t criticize the government, but you can criticize race, creed, colour, religion, homosexuality, and a myriad of other topics without being punished or harassed by the government”

    Except that if you are the “wrong” religion [ eg Muslim , or Falun Gong] or homosexual, they either lock you in “reeducation”camps, or just harvest your organs [while your still alive apparently] . If that ain’t punishment, or harassment, then I don’t exactly know what you’d consider it to be.

    “Regards” onebornfree

  233. refl says:
    @Wielgus

    Thank you for posting this. It is remarkable that such an event in these conditions can pass by without much notice.

    Apart, from the article to all those who just won’t listen:

    In Germany itself, more than 80% of fatalities are elderly – over 60 years old – and more than 75% had underlying diseases present such as cardiovascular and cardiovascular diseases, diabetes and, in some cases, tumor.

    According to the latest data of the Italian National Health Institute ISS, the average age of the positively-tested deceased in Italy is currently about 81 years. 10% of the deceased are over 90 years old. 90% of the deceased are over 70 years old. 80% of the deceased had suffered from two or more chronic diseases. 50% of the deceased had suffered from three or more chronic diseases. The chronic diseases include in particular cardiovascular problems, diabetes, respiratory problems and cancer.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  234. Alfred says:
    @Montefrío

    healthy nubile young women who will provide us round the clock care

    Last time I looked, there were few girls like that in the States. But as the slump progresses and Frito-Lays become unobtainable, they will gradually return to normal – just like in Eastern Europe.

  235. Trinity says:

    More suspect lies, coverups and shady fairy tales spun my ZOG and the (((media))) IMO of course, hehe. ( continued from last post)

    Gaddafi was a tyrannical dictator and his people hated him

    Epstein “suicided” himself. IMO, Epstein is walking around in Israel more than likely or MAYBE in Saudi Arabia, America’s second bestest best friend in the whole wide world of sports.

    The accidental death of General Patton

    The COMPLETE coverup of Whites being slaughtered in South Africa and Palestinians being slaughtered in Israel. Over 70,000 Whites were butchered and slaughtered by Blacks in S. Africa from 1994-2014. One can only imagine what the number is now. Still, America won’t send “our” troops over there. No need to help Whites, but we can send our troops everywhere else to help nonwhites.

    Coverup of Black on White rape and other violent crimes in America. LIES, COVERUPS, DISTORTING THE TRUTH, one after another, and people continue to believe the shit these PROVEN LIARS tell them??? Fool me once.

    • Agree: FLgeezer, Alfred
    • Replies: @Rurik
  236. @Huskynut

    There’s been a lot of discussion around underlying infection rate given lack of testing coverage, and also of fatality rate, ie the causality in dying with Covid as opposed to dying from it.

    Skin in the game, is the driver of all this “exponentiality”. Simply pitching mortality rates overall to mortality rates of “Corona cases declared” would shed light. Then of course as a second testing. That would give data worth the name to input into any model, analysis.

    The fact that overall, alas all causes mortality is withheld is criminal, since it allows to exploit the Coronavirus “crises” and in it´s surge, then the backtracking. Skin in the game is the motivation for the fear mongering and “exponential” abuse along the lines of social engineering, and financial thrift of the elites.

  237. Trinity says:
    @Tony Ryals

    LMAO. Yeah that fool was telling Americans with a straight face that they were chunking shitloads of bodies into HUGE refrigerator trucks. Only 2,400 deaths that ZOG is claiming that the (((virus))) terminated in a country of 330 MILLION. Hell, the way the Orange Clown was describing the scene at the hospital in Queens, you would have thought all 2,400 “claimed” to have died from the (((virus))) were at that one hospital. WHAT A COMPLETE TOOL THIS CLOWN HAS TURNED OUT TO BE, BUT DO WE THINK JEW SANDERS OR ZIONIST BOOT LICKER BIDEN WOULD TELL A DIFFERENT TALE? DO YOU THINK EVEN TULSI WOULD GO AGAINST THE SCRIPT? HELL NO, THE WOULDN’T. We are definitely a controlled country.

  238. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Kim

    this is an orchestrated takedown of the economy and the general standard of living around the world.

    that is the inevitable logic of elite thinking.

    In times past, an extra pair of hands meant an extra few bushels of grain produced or animals raised, a portion of which could be expropriated for the maintenance of the landowners and aristocracy.

    Then, in the age of total war, every able-bodied male was needed by the army in time of war, while the woman manned the armaments production line.

    But in the age of automation and AI, of high-tech weaponry and a professional army, what use is a pleb?

    So now sex ed means learning every art of non-reproductive sex, while treating reproduction as the only sexual vice.

    Meantime, the state funds abortion and legalizes infanticide, aka, after-birth abortion.

    What next? Lower the standard of living, obviously.

    What point is there in consumption by people who offer no service of value to the elite? The sooner the plebs stop cluttering the better beaches and tourist centers the better.

    The sooner the plebs can no longer afford their SUVs and boats, their MacMansions and cottages, the sooner will the planet be a place fit for those who own it.

    Question is, what have the plebs to say for themselves?

    Do the plebs have no way forward, whatever?

    • Replies: @FB
  239. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Tony Ryals

    “Is-Trump-lieing-along-with-NY-Times-about-massive-deaths-at-Elmhurst-Hospital-in-Queens?”

    Not to mean to defend Trump, but isn’t it highly likely that he never went to the hospital in person , and just saw a report on TV?

    There are many videos popping up now that reveal these Cv-19 treatment centers are almost empty of patients.

    See: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?102096-Heroic-Citizens-Fact-Check-the-LYING-MSM-about-Corona

    Also, as an aside, are you aware that _all_ 5 of the USS MSM ‘s “live ” coverage morning broadcasts of the events of 9/11 were fake, 100% pre-manufactured [on computer] broadcasts? I’m guessing no, you’re not.

    See:”The 9/11 Scam-The Faked “Live” MSM Imagery”: http://onebornfrees911researchreview.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-911-scam-faked-live-msm-imagery.html

    So the “live” TV footage I’m guessing Trump saw could also be entirely fake.

    Regards, onebornfree

  240. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @mark green

    “retired pathology professor”

    professor = little or no clinical experience
    retired = knowledge base possibly dated
    pathology = not a real medical doctor, more of a lab scientist

    • Replies: @mark green
  241. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Felix Culpa

    …once it has significantly established itself within a community, the only effective means of halting the rapid spread is through a full social lock-down

    That is, of course, wrong. The purpose of the lock down is not to prevent the spread of the disease throughout the community but merely to slow the spread, supposedly so that hospitals are not overwhelmed.

  242. alpha7B5 says:

    Great and important story of which significance can only grow throughout the time!

    Greeting and all well from Slovenia!
    We are at the beginning of our third week of complete lock down here in my country.

    J.K.

    P.S.: So far there were 11 corona virus related deaths reported.

  243. SafeNow says:

    It seems to me that the U.S. government has hold of the wrong end of the stick in being anti-“price gouging.” Shouldn’t the government have said (three months ago): “Produce vast quantities of masks, ventilators, and hospital beds, money is no object. We will print money and pay you lavishly.” The same backwards approach will now be used for the production of the therapeutic drugs, and vaccine trials, and vaccine production.

  244. Wielgus says:
    @refl

    It may be early days but I am sensing increasing attempts to walk back from the hysteria, and although I wouldn’t call myself a “denier”, hysteria is what we have been seeing. Basically, lockdowns etc. cannot go on forever.

    • Replies: @Anon
  245. CanSpeccy says:
    @Adam Smith

    While we’re rehashing comments, here’s an idea I think worth adoption, though subject to possible refinements as suggested by Res.

    In considering lives lost due to the corona virus, it might be worthwhile to calculate a Loss of Expected Lifetime (LEL) whereby the number of deaths is multiplied by a factor equal to (E – D)/E, where E is life expectancy at birth, D is mean age at death. Due to the great age of most of those killed by the virus, this would reduce the headline number concerning the impact of the virus by a factor of perhaps ten or twenty.

    Furthermore, one might adjust LEL by an age-dependent life quality index (LQI), with a value of 1 at birth and 0.01 at age 100. This would likely deflate the headline loss numbers by a further factor of ten or thereabouts.

    Overall, such calculations would reduce the apparent devastation of, say, one million Covid-19 deaths to something like 10,000 LQI-adjusted LELs, which is not only less appalling, but more accurately reflective of the harm suffered.

  246. Agent76 says:

    Mar 23, 2020 Possible New Cure for Chinese Coronavirus?

  247. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @mark green

    John Lee – retired pathology professor lol. He starts out sounding all scientific, and I don’t doubt his statistical abilities.

    He then goes on to prove the adage that one can prove anything using statistics by making flimsy assumptions and using anecdotal evidence,and extrapolating that to a best case scenario. His bias is evident when he cites ONLY cases with pre-existing conditions and uses the death rate of the best performing, highly advanced nation where almost all treatment is optimized. This is surely not the case everywhere. Actually it is not the case anywhere else. Subsequently, he concludes that COVID-19 is not too deadly after all!

    Myself, I will use the number of refrigerated morgue trucks parked outside NYC hospitals as my anecdotal evidence. My chi-square seat-of-the pants statistical analysis p< .005 tells me there is something unusually dangerous going on.

  248. @alchemist

    The speech was translated into English and first published by the EPOCH TIMES in 2005.

    Now! There’s a surprise!

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  249. Wally says:
    @Biff

    Indeed, ‘the media’, aka: the ‘Democrats’ / Marxists.

    ‘Democrats’ Who Blame Trump: Sang a different song a month ago: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/dear_democrats_who_blame_trump_you_sang_a_different_song_a_month_ago.html

    the media ignores this:
    Gov Cuomo refused to buy ventilators knowing they’d be needed
    https://www.independentsentinel.com/gov-cuomo-refused-to-buy-ventilators-in-2015-despite-knowing-theyd-be-needed/

    and this:
    California and New York sowed the seeds of their destruction
    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/california_and_new_york_sowed_the_seeds_of_their_destruction.html

  250. Banks were seizing up in September, 2019. This required the Federal Reserve to begin lending into the overnight Repo market to prevent a banking seizure.
    It never stopped.

    If the Wuhan Flu hadn’t of come along the people at the Federal Reserve, Wall St and the President would ALL have had to explain why TRILLIONS were needed to prop up the ‘Capitalist’ banks.
    But they don’t have to now. Do they?
    “How convenient”

    • Agree: Robert Dolan, Alfred
  251. Mehen says:

    I’ve been following UR for a couple of years now, but never commented. Up until this point, I was fully on board with Ron’s outlook and had great faith in him. With this article, however, I believe UR has jumped the shark.

    And I worry that James Scott’s comment #174 might have some merit.

    Don’t let us down Ron.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  252. Why do so many anons like to talk shit with out checking the numbers.

    Simply look at the covid 19 numbers of CA and NY, and you would 100% understand the point of this article.

  253. skrik says:
    @refl

    you paranoid, much?

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @refl
  254. M_Young says:
    @Anonymous

    What do the French know about microbiology?

  255. The virus is real, and it’s effects on the unhealthy regardless of age, can have consequences including death. Just like the flu. Except the flu routinely kills more per annum than this virus will.

    The 3rd leading cause of death in the USA is Doctor or Hospital caused (i.e. ‘iatrogenesis’). That’s every year. This means medical systems are highly prone to error.

    The tests used to determine the validity of the number of these “Corona deaths” fall into that category; error, and lots of it.

    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/03/30/corona-creating-the-illusion-of-a-pandemic-through-diagnostic-tests/

    Deriving from Stalin’s words on vote counting, “it doesn’t matter how many die from Corona, it’s who counts the deaths that matter.”

  256. glib says:

    This article surely and for a long time sinks the prestige of a previously distinguished website. We are past zerohedge levels.

    • Agree: refl, Twodees Partain
  257. Agent76 says:

    Mar 30, 2020 The Totally Spontaneous Health Worker Balcony Applause Phenomenon – #PropagandaWatch

    Are you thanking the valiant soldiers in the war on the invisible enemy? Yes? Good. But are your thanking them in the right way? At the appropriate time? Using the state-sanctioned hashtag? No?

  258. @Stan d Mute

    I see that people are claiming that the number of deaths in Wuhan and in Hubei greatly exceeds the number of deaths the authorities mention as being caused by covid-19. This is only to be expected unless one believes, that the epidemic will somehow prevent people dying of every other cause of death. In Hubei Province live some 57 million people. The published figure for life expectancy in China is 76.7 years average. So unless I am somehow fooling myself, that means that in an average day (i.e. not a day during an epidemic which kills more people than usual) one would expect about 2,142 deaths. If one says that the epidemic was raging in Hubei for about 60 days that would (in “normal” times) mean about 128,504 bodies needing to be disposed of. Since Wuhan is notorious for its air quality one might expect that those figures are an underestimate. Of course these are extremely crude calculations but I think the figure will be in the right ball park.

    • Replies: @Jean-Marie L.
  259. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Trinity

    They shut down the lakefront and parks in Chicago, places with plenty of space to jog, walk or bike out in the open air apart from anyone else. It was probably the only place left for people to stretch their legs and get some fresh air. I’ve sounded out different people on their thoughts about this panic, people I know as well as strangers in line at the grocery, etc. They’re all true believers. There’s not much use in talking about this with anyone. We’ll see in a couple weeks what comes to pass. If it’s a big nothingburger they’ll take credit for having stopped the Apocalypse. Meanwhile they’ve engineered a depression affecting millions upon millions.

  260. Richard B says:
    @Georgia

    so what the truth is in WuHan we actually have zero idea.

    Exactly!

    A fact worth repeating as often as possible, for as long as we can.

  261. @M_Young

    No…fat, diabetes, hypertension, lung disease….death!

  262. @The Scalpel

    The media is still a hoax……they should be hanged for negligence.

    • Agree: The Scalpel
  263. @Lockean Proviso

    Plus the cops won’t go into their shit hole ghettos as they rot away in the near future!

  264. @Anonymous

    Damn these fucking crisis actors – 61 Doctors dead in Italy – just a flu eh Unztards

    https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-30-20-intl-hnk/h_d385acb67991afbdcf4c87aed856f0e6

    In Italy, 61 doctors who caught the coronavirus have died, the Italian Association of Doctors said Monday.

    In all, 8,358 health workers have tested positive for coronavirus, according to the Italian National Institute of Health.

    Damn these liars.

  265. @Mehen

    There is nothing wrong with being wrong. I am hoping Ron is wrong too, cause I don’t want that many ppl to die.

    It is just few more weeks. We will find out who is right or wrong.

    I am sure Ron would be happy to be wrong in this case.

    Deliberate blocking of data collection by the govt makes it really hard to make accurate predictions.

    • Replies: @Mehen
    , @Mehen
  266. Richard B says:
    @cranc

    I’ve grown a great respect for this website over the past two years, but you seem scared to delve into the possibility that the lockdown is going to unnecessarily kill more people than Covid 19. Where is the precautionary principle as applied to the emergence of a fascist system ?

    Why is it ‘safer’ to shutdown society ?

    The evidence is against you Ron, are you sure you are not just regurgitating propaganda?

    Bravo! Couldn’t agree more.

    I’ve been visiting TUR for a while and think it’s the best there is.

    I see no need to compare Ron’s work to anyone else and certainly not to my personal expectations. Not at all.

    As with any writer, or content provider, I simply compare his latest work to his previous work.

    In doing so it’s impossible not to notice the sudden about face.

    My gut response to Ron’s latest article, and not just Ron, was that they got to him.

    I turned out to be wrong in the case of another writer.

    I hope I am with Ron as well.

    His website is simply too important.

    In any event, and wherever this goes, it looks like we’re going to find out sooner than later.

  267. Anonymous[214] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Scalpel

    You’re a doctor. If each bagged body takes 8 cubic feet, that’s 400 bodies in each trailer, with the rear doors opened 40 times or so. If the hospital morgue is full, the bodies are not frozen when put into storage, with the interior pack remaining at ambient temperature. What do you say to that? In the video you’re apparently referring to, a “joe” is allowed to walk in on and film emergency morgue operations at Elmhurst Hospital, including putting his head into the trailer for a good look, with bodies suspiciously all over the place creating the impression of overwhelming chaos as the dead pile up like cordwood. You believe this?

    How about the amateur videos taken on consecutive days by some fellow in a mask acting like a walk-in in Louisville, Kentucky showing three “overwhelmed” major hospital ERs with nurses and clerks sitting around doing nothing at all, no patients anywhere, an not even any people in the waiting room?

  268. @Georgia

    Where can I see those videos, Georgia?

    In any case if there are riots, with cop cars rolled over, they have more backbone than the American sheeple. As for suicides, who knows how many we have here? Most are committed in private, with the family covering it up. I read the obits in my small town newspaper every morning, and keep seeing young men from 20 to 50 dying “Suddenly at Home” all the time.

  269. @The Scalpel

    Let’s agree to disagree. But Dr. Lee is not alone. His arguments and analyses are logical and persuasive. Dr. Lee notes that the projected contagions and mortalities that are being tied to this non-unique virus are grounded upon highly incomplete data and dubious models. This appears to be true.

    The catastrophic scenarios concerning Covid-19 that are now being marketed by medical authorities are reminiscent of ‘expert’ projections involving (anthropogenic) ‘climate change’. Yet the result has been:

    No human or animal extinctions (due to anthropogenic global warming).
    No flooded metropolises.
    No ‘unnatural’ weather catastrophes.

    But tens of billions of dollars have been squandered and countless lives have been turned upside-down over faulty climate models cooked up by ‘experts’.

    Media-driven hysteria is once-again producing gross political excess. It looks as if the
    ‘cure’ is worse than the disease.

    • Agree: Alfred, DaveE
    • Replies: @The Scalpel
    , @A123
    , @Skeptikal
  270. Lol says:
    @TomSchmidt

    Sweden also tests only the gravely sick and hospital personnel so their infection rate is probably higher than reporter and it’s hard to trust Sweden’s statistics on anything considering how they attempt to fudge criminality data to justify their own policies.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    , @Jean-Marie L.
  271. Emslander says:

    Ron Unz has probably had some good advice from his lawyers that he’s got to run some articles that support the medical experts or he might run into liability problems. The family of some 80-year-old who had this site bookmarked and died of Covid19 might claim damages for misleading the guy.

    • LOL: Ron Unz
  272. @Faraday's Bobcat

    The Extinction Rebellion nutcases must be ecstatic.

  273. Levtraro says:
    @Anonymous

    There is no logical fallacy if the methodology yielding the range of the 100-200k deaths was correct and the interventions altered a crucial parameter of the rate of contagion. You need to deal with those scientific issues to make your case. Maybe there is some degree of ill intent but -assuming the models are correct- it is opportunistic ill-intent.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  274. Wielgus says:
    @foolisholdman

    Years ago I read a free print edition of this in a café in Scotland. My first thought was that there was money behind them, as it was quite well-produced. My second was that they really, really, really do not like the Chinese government.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  275. A123 says:

    More potentially good news about the CQ/AZ/Zinc combo.

    There isn’t enough detail to call this a scientific study. However, this medical facility is doing better than it peers. With no other available options, this combo will be used widely. (1)

    Dr. Zelenko provides updates on the treatment after he successfully treated 699 COVID-19 patients in New York. In an exclusive interview with former New York Mayor, Rudy Giuliani, Dr. Vladmir Zelenko shares the results of his latest study, which showed that out of his 699 patients treated, zero patients died, zero patients intubated, and four hospitalizations.

    Dr. Zelenko said the whole treatment costs only $20 over a period of 5 days with 100% success. He defines success as “Not to die.” Dr. Zelenko first posted his Facebook video message last week calling on President Trump to “advise the country that they should be taking this medication.”

    “Cutting the top off the Curve” by keeping patients at less advanced stages is statistically better that “Flattening the Vurve” which extends the time line.

    PEACE 😷
    _______

    (1) https://techstartups.com/2020/03/28/dr-vladimir-zelenko-now-treated-699-coronavirus-patients-100-success-using-hydroxychloroquine-sulfate-zinc-z-pak-update/

  276. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Richard B

    I hope I am with Ron as well.

    His website is simply too important.

    Actually, the articles are nearly all crap. It’s the comment software, which is exceptionally good, that draws the crowd.

    • Agree: Thomm
    • LOL: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Kim
  277. DFC says:

    There is a false dilemma that you can “save” the economy letting people working and living as usual and OK, some thousands old people die a few years before they would die anyway, and that is all the history, but in this case, with this “bitch” if you let 70 – 80% of the population infected, the expected results is some millions people needing ventilators or similar treatment that cannot be provided.

    Data from CDC about the age of people requiring hospitalization and ICU in USA from February 12 to March 16:

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm

    This is not China, this is for USA, and the CDC say:

    “Among 508 (12%) patients known to have been hospitalized, 9% were aged ≥85 years, 36% were aged 65–84 years, 17% were aged 55–64 years, 18% were 45–54 years, and 20% were aged 20–44 years. Less than 1% of hospitalizations were among persons aged ≤19 years (Figure 2). The percentage of persons hospitalized increased with age, from 2%–3% among persons aged ≤19 years, to ≥31% among adults aged ≥85 years. (Table).”

    So the percentage of people that required hospital care, mainly due to acute dyspnea, with less than 65years is = 55% of all of them, so in the USA, more than half of all the cases. For people with less than 54 years is 38% of all of them, so very significant

    They continue:

    “Among 121 patients known to have been admitted to an ICU, 7% of cases were reported among adults ≥85 years, 46% among adults aged 65–84 years, 36% among adults aged 45–64 years, and 12% among adults aged 20–44 years (Figure 2). No ICU admissions were reported among persons aged ≤19 years. Percentages of ICU admissions were lowest among adults aged 20–44 years (2%–4%) and highest among adults aged 75–84 years (11%–31%) (Table).”

    So, the percentage of people in ICU’s with less than 64 years is 48%, almost half of all the cases; and 12% between 20 and 44 years, so it is not very low

    The people in ICU’s need mechanical intubation or EMCO or similar treatment, otherwise they’ll die, so if the ICU’s become overwhelmed a lot of people below 64 years old will die, for sure

    The stimations in China, Spain, Italy and USA is that around 15% of the cases need hospital care (beds in hospitals) and around 5 – 7% ICU’s.

    So when you have many many millions seriously ill and probably few millions dead, how do thing the economy will go?, in the face of a human disater 100 bigger than WWII how do you think the social, political and economic fabric of the country will behave. Do you think the people will be quite in front of the hospitals guarded by armed police preventing them the access, what do you do in such situation with your wife seriosly ill?

    If the chinese government, not famous of how they care the workers and the population from accidents or pollution was so scare to shut-down the whole country, I am sure it is cause they have seen with their own eyes what this bitch can do, and it is nasty.

  278. Coronavirus is Literally Just the Flu
    Andrew Anglin
    Daily Stormer
    March 30, 2020

    [MORE]

    Here we have a German doctor, the awesomely named Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, explaining that Coronavirus is literally the flu. Not “a flu,” but “THE flu.”

    He explains that every year, there are over 100 different respiratory viruses that cause what we label “the flu,” and that these viruses constantly change every year to avoid the human immune system, and that one of the classes of these viruses is Coronavirus. I didn’t know this, but it is true.

    He cites a study in Scotland that took place from 2005 to 2013, where they did mass tests on the various forms of winter virus that cause the flu, and found that 7-15% of flu cases are caused by Coronaviruses. Or at least that was the case in Glasgow from 2005 to 2013.

    Here’s the study on the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences website.

    This graph shows the variances of the viruses that were found to be causing the flu, with Coronaviruses in light green (CoV).
    Dr. Wodarg goes on to explain that Wuhan is the Chinese capital of viral research, and that they initially, in late 2019, did tests on under 50 people, looking at the RNA of the viruses they were infected with. They found a new type of Coronavirus and were intrigued by it. The Chinese entered it into a database, which scientists in Berlin examined to try to create a test. They came up with one and submitted it to WHO very quickly, and WHO very quickly accepted it.

    He says that this 7-15% of people that get the virus would be expected to test positive in the general population, but when you are doing tests specifically in hospitals, a much higher percentage of people will have it. This is what they are doing in Italy. They are not making any differentiation between who dies WITH the Coronavirus and who dies OF the Coronavirus.

    This lines up with an Italian study that showed that nearly 100% of people who die of the virus have preexisting conditions, many of them being literal terminal diseases.

    He goes on to say that the only way to know if the virus is actually something more dangerous than the regular flu would be to see if the number of people who die every year from the flu has gone up. Every year, 0.1% of people – 1/1000th – who get the flu die from it.

    If a Coronavirus is simply a part of the normal acute seasonal respiratory disease – the flu – cycle, and he is correct that it is, then of course we should only be looking at the total number of flu deaths as a reference point, instead of attempting to look specifically at Coronavirus. The people who are being recorded as dying from the Coronavirus could be dying of literally anything else, including even other strands of the flu, as people are infected with multiple different viruses at one time.

    He says that if you would have done mass tests in a retirement home in any previous year, you would find thousands of people dying from a Coronavirus. More than are recorded as having died now.

    He goes on to say that when the Chinese got the test back from Germany, they were extremely excited about it and started panicking. Which, if you’ve ever been around Asians, is a standard behavior. They are a completely neurotic race. They are obsessed with these thermometer guns and use them nonstop, all winter long.

    And half of them wear masks even in the summer time.

    The Chinese, as we know, also believe that this is a biological weapon released by the United States. So their reaction on that level makes sense.

    He says, accurately, that when China began panicking, every politician in the world was required to give a response on what they thought about the Coronavirus. They consulted their own virologists, and came to the conclusion that they should develop a test themselves. Then the testing began. Of course, when the tests were given, yes, people were dying with Coronavirus. And so the hysteria was unleashed.

    With where we are now, in the midst of this absolute hysteria, no one can come out and say “look, it’s literally just the flu,” because everyone has doubled and tripled and sextupled down on this weird hoax.

    I was not aware of all of this, but everything he is saying is true.

    There are not more people dying of the Coronavirus than of the flu every year. In fact, according to the statistics being presented, the flu bodycount is low this year. It is presumably because the people dying with Coronavirus are being classified as dying of a different disease, when every previous year, people who died of a Coronavirus would have been put in the statistics with the other flu deaths.

    You’d think that someone would run it through their brain when it’s announced that flu cases are dropping at the same time Coronavirus cases are rising.

    This is all just absolute and unadulterated mass hysteria.

    Everyone with the ability to influence the narrative is benefiting from this hoax.

    The scientists and medical establishment in every country are saying that it’s dangerous because they want to get money, the media is promoting it because it is scandalous (and they think it will hurt Donald Trump) and the government wants to take away freedoms from people and do whatever other weird activities.

    Furthermore, like everyone else, most of the people working in these entities actually believe in the hoax.

    But it is literally the flu.

    This means that the Coronavirus Doom Cult is even dumber than we’d previously imagined.

    In the future, you need to remember that I told you this was the flu and everyone had gone insane. And you need to remember all of these people who got on board with this lunatic freakout. Nothing about what is going on is rational or sane. After this is over, we are going to be left with a completely collapsed economy and fewer freedoms than we’ve ever had.

    It was announced today that the economy of the UK is expected to shrink by 15% as a result of this, and that they’re going to go into austerity after they decide to let people out of their houses. They’re also maintaining that they’re going to keep people in their houses for six more months.

    I think that’s going to be about standard across the Western world.

    This is the biggest, stupidest hoax in all of human history. It has officially surpassed that other thing.

    This is a society that is literally too stupid to exist. It is fitting that it will end in the dumbest way imaginable.

    • Replies: @pepperinmono
    , @Antares
  279. Sean says:
    @skrik

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL1aR2hZ5t0&feature=youtu.be&t=309

    Some countries you can be paranoid or dead, in the US it is optional.

  280. Trinity says:

    “The (((Government))) Employee Who May Have Saved A MILLION LIVES.” hahaha.

    (((The Government))) to the rescue, people. You see, sheeple, you need the gubmint, you want the gubmint to hep you, hep me from the virus, lawd, hep me. smdh. MY GOD, IF you people can’t SEE THROUGH THIS OVER-HYPED SHIT, all hope is gone. Curfews, food rationing, fudging death counts, stock market, jobless people depending on “they” gubmint check, fudging the number of (((coronavirus cases))), celebritards and (((politicians))) claiming to have the (((virus))) blah, blah, blah. Trumpstein talking about filling giant sized refrigerated trucks with body bags. Hep me, lawd, save me from the “chronosvirus,” lawd. Sheesh, if some freak gets a cough or a sore throat, they will be diagnosed with the coronavirus.

    IF this is the final test run on how the sheeple will react to a MANUFACTURED crisis then the people have not disappointed for the most part. However, the people I am encountering in my neck of the woods aren’t biting for the most part, THANK GOD there are still some people that think for themselves.

  281. refl says:
    @skrik

    People who fear being killed by a super bug and leave their house only with plastic gloves and a mask, try not to let anyone near them and shower themselves with disinfectant used to be called paranoid.
    Now, this behaviour is recommended or might even become mandatory.

    People who take a walk in the sunshine, take life easy and make an ironical joke about the government used to be called sociable fellows. Now, they are regarded as a public danger.

    The shift has taken place within less then a fortnight across the Western hemisphere. I will not hold opinions about who and what is paranoid or not until the smoke settles.
    Virus or not, the longterm effect of what is happening now cannot by any reason be other then disastrous for our societies.

    The idea that they smash in your front door, throw you on the floor and stab a syringe into your body also sounds paranoid to me, but we are getting closer to that scenario.

    • Agree: Trinity, Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  282. Tim K says:

    Dr Fauci said the COVID19 could kill as man as 200,000 Americans. Wow! That’s almost as many people who are killed by doctors each year. This is serious folks!

    • LOL: mark green, Truth
    • Replies: @Truth
  283. niceland says:

    In most populations, sizable portion is immune to the seasonal flue so only relatively small portion of the population gets infected. Furthermore, this immunity greatly reduces the infection rate.

    For covid-19 there is no immunity to speak of. So even with the same (IFR) death rate as the seasonal flue it kills many more people, many times faster. This is the key to understand the situation.

  284. KenH says:

    I wonder if Dr. Sarah Cody would be in favor of a lockdown if she didn’t get paid for the duration of said lockdown? Or if there was a 50/50 chance that she would lose her job after the lockdown was lifted as some Americans will?

    Dr. Sarah Cody, Dr. Anthony Fauci and other smug health experts get paid and eat no matter what so it’s an easy for them to recommend a lockdown since they have almost no idea how it impacts all the little people in flyover America and probably don’t care.

    • Agree: mark green
  285. iffen says:
    @Alfred

    In a just and righteous polity she would be charged with dereliction of duty. She owed fidelity to the public, instead she opted to cater to the individuals that she selected.

  286. Anon[603] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wielgus

    I’m afraid they’re going to sheepishly admit this is a nothing burger, or claim Dr. Cody miraculously saved us all, and as soon as things get back to relative normal…. *then* they hit us with the real pandemic. This is not as crazy as one might think. Terrorists often use multiple attacks to heighten the psychological effect. And if this situation is an any way planned…that is exactly what we’re dealing with, terrorists.

    Just because I’m a paranoid nut…. doesn’t mean there aren’t real, evil psychopaths out there attempting to do unimaginably devious things.

  287. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    I’m not sure of the picture you paint, but my trusted friends and colleagues have described the situation where excess morgue capacity is needed – morgue trucks. Excess ICU capacity is needed. I can assure you they are trusted friends and are not part of a conspiracy.

    As a reference point, I absolutely do not believe building 7 came down because of fires.

    Say what you want about statistics, odd circumstances, etc. This COVID-19 virus is definitely causing a significant number of EXCESS deaths and illness requiring intensive care. I am not paranoid. I am still seeing patients some of whom are infected with COVID-19. But I am not stupid. I take reasonable precautions. There is very little downside to taking reasonable precautions. People who advocate against this are uninformed, or trolls, or political extremists. None of that bothers me as long as they do not misinform others

  288. Sean says:
    @TomSchmidt

    According to the MIT study transmission of COVID-19 with a cough is especially effective in hot and humid conditions.

    In German-speaking Switzerland, Ticino is nicknamed Sonnenstube (sun porch), owing to the more than 2,300 sunshine hours the canton receives every year, compared to 1,700 for Zurich.[11]

    Wasn’t Switzerland the place where TB patient were sent? The Italian speaking areas are poorer, and they must have got more people fleeing infected areas of Italy. I find it very difficult to believe there is anything genetic. That said, a 19 year old with no known disease died in the UK the other day of COVID-19 and he was an Italian.

    • Thanks: Johnny Rico
    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @Alfred
  289. @Pft

    The importance of this can hardly be overstated.

    If it is true that the experts believe this flu is no worse than the pandemics of 1957 and 1968, then why are the proposed and enacted measures so harsh and repressive?

    The answer is two-fold:

    1) Our country is apparently so unhealthy, and our hospital system so inept/overwhelmed/corrupt, that it cannot handle what the country once handled with ease. Those friends of mine who are old enough to remember the 1968 pandemic do not remember it at all. This speaks volumes.

    2) Our elites want to use this as an opportunity to do more social engineering.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  290. The rate of new confirmed cases in the United States overall measured as a percentage of the cumulative cases from the day before has fallen for 7 consecutive days from approximately 32% a day to 18% a day.

    The US reached 1000 cases on March 11th. It will reach 160,000 today (the 30th). That is approximately a doubling every 3 days.

    But the data from the last 7 days suggests a slowing.

    A rate of 32% means a doubling in 3 days. 18% – 5 days.

    If that trend continues, this will not paint a picture of explosive/exponential growth.

  291. refl says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    Are we that far that CNN is the back up for the Unz Review?
    Swiss Propaganda Research does not have this story. Instead, on the number of positives, they have this:

    The Milan microbiologist Maria Rita Gismondo calls on the Italian government to stop communicating the daily number of „corona positives“ as these figures are „fake“ and put the population in unnecessary panic. The number of test-positives depends very much on the type and number of tests and says nothing about the state of health.

    She is by far not the first to point this out.

    Source: https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
    Original source: https://www.secoloditalia.it/2020/03/coronavirus-la-gismondo-ammonisce-duramente-basta-snocciolare-numeri-sui-positivi-sono-dati-falsati/

    The Italian site, which I don’t know, is linked to rightwing Italian politicians, of which there are many and who form a sizable part of Italian political life.
    If doctors are heroically dying in the fight against Corona, the EU denying help after killing the Italian health care system with decade long austerity, I am sure that they would not let the opportunity pass and expose it in their sense.
    Maybe, someone who reads Italian can scan for the original sources of CNNs claim.
    Have they died of corona? Have they died, while fighting the pandemic? Or are these people with a medical degree, who have died of old age or whatever in recent weeks somewhere in Italy and have pre-or post mortem been tested positive?
    There will be a basis, I suppose, but I want to know what it is worth.

  292. Mehen says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    There have been many links posted in these comment threads quoting qualified professionals casting doubt on the wisdom of the current course of action. And such articles continue to grow.

    I’ve been parallel processing 2 seemingly(?) mutually exclusive notions:

    1) This is a bioweapon of some sort. Disregarding the debate over its putative origins: we’re fucked.

    1a) This was an accidental release of an experimental virus bred in a lab for gain-of-function: we’re possibly/probably fucked.

    2) This virus is just a bad flu (whether natural or manmade) However, it’s high transmissibility means sheer numbers will overwhelm health care, this is a true danger, but not apocalyptic. Hopefully this experience will shine a light on the greedy hospital administrators who cut things to the bone. I lean toward option 2 myself at the moment.

    Unfortunately, even if 2 is correct, then people who should no better are disregarding the evidence and enacting sweeping measures with profound and possibly unforeseen consequences. If that’s the case, this suggests our “leaders” have something else up their sleeve, most likely involving financial shenanigans of historic significance.

    In which case: we’re fucked.

    The only possible hope is if we soon begin to see our “leaders” acknowledge their overreaction, grant that the skeptical professionals had a point and undo to the best of their ability the damage already caused. But it might already be too late — economics is not my strong suit.

  293. Hibernian says:
    @Corvinus

    The comorbidities are private but the death and the fact that the deceased was positive for COVID-19 are made very public. Not just in the aggregate, but in individual cases, not usually by name, but as “a 48 year old man from such and such a suburb who was very well liked,” etc. Sometimes by name, with additional details, such as the fact that so and so was a pro athlete, with no mention of how many years ago they retired or other health problems, etc. Obvious propaganda.

  294. Ruckus says:

    I think you’re two days early, Unz. The pandemic was planned: http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/scenario.html

    Regardless of how dangerous the virus actually is, it’s a given that the numbers are fudged (Italy says hello). And here you are, eating it all up. Disappointed to say the least.

  295. Mehen says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    “Deliberate blocking of data collection by the govt makes it really hard to make accurate predictions”

    Yes, that’s might odd, isn’t it?

    Speaking of “accurate predictions”, it appears the tests are not accurate. We’re performing math upon shifting sands of human subjectivity.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/manufactured-pandemic-testing-people-any-strain-coronavirus-not-specifically-covid-19/5707781

  296. Corvinus says:
    @anonymous

    “After all your deranged postings here in support of the truth of the Trump/Russia collusion hoax…”

    Except it wasn’t a hoax, and the postings contained a blend of fact and analysis. I know it’s above your pay grade, so that is why you label it “deranged”.

    “You always speak with such certainty and yet you are mostly wrong when it comes to the facts.”

    Do you need a primer on discourse? I can certainly help you here.

    “In fact, looking back on your past posts, you really have very little of substance to ever add to any conversation.”

    Realize that your projection doesn’t help your cause.

  297. Trinity says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    INTERESTING POST !!! Thanks for sharing.

  298. @The Scalpel

    How can you be sure that they are infected with COVID-19? What test did they use? From what I have read about the tests there are presently none which are accurate or reliable in the field ,and that even in a lab it is extremely difficult to determine whether or not a person was infected with COVID-19.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  299. Hibernian says:
    @Anonymous

    Louisville is not a center of cosmopolitanism, and the spreading of infections internationally, like NYC.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Trinity
  300. @Robert Dolan

    All cause deaths in NYC (everywhere?) have not changed
    Methinks you (and others) are most likely correct
    Fauci has been spectacularly wrong in past about HIV
    While some prudence is in order, what the world is doing now is crazy
    Can’t believe Ron and Steve are swallowing this H,L,& S

  301. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @The Scalpel

    We have a test which takes several days and it is pretty good. We combine those test results with our findings on physical exam, laboratory testing, radiologic testing, and other tests such as pulse-oximitry to arrive at a diagnosis with a very high probability of being correct. That is the way we make all diagnoses, by combining as many high probability results as possible. The only certainties in life are death and taxes, and maybe not taxes

  302. Gzibordi says: • Website
    @Alfred

    In January, February and March in Italy we had 164k deaths
    Last year, 2109, we had 183k deaths. Go ISTAT website. So, the 10k deaths with Corona virus are not a crisis, this year less people died in Italy. I checked the numbers on ISTA 3 times, but the same exact thing is reported in the USA. Italy though had so far 20 times as a % of ppl than the USA. I like Ron, but he is wrong

    • Replies: @Alfred
  303. @The Scalpel

    ” My chi-square seat-of-the pants statistical analysis p< .005 tells me there is something unusually dangerous going on."

    Or the Security Theater is better than it used to be. Easier to park a bunch of trucks than explode a bunch of Mohamed's, I suppose.

  304. utu says:

    Ron Unz, fyi: number of deaths per day model for the US, NYS and other states

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

    For NYS last data point is 237 on March 29 and the following days projections are: 277, 332, 391… with peak of 798 on April 10.

    • Replies: @utu
  305. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @mark green

    I agree that the fear might be overblown, but that is not to say that there is nothing to fear. As we speak there is a 35 year old male with no co-morbidities intubated being admitted on a ventilator. Positive COVID-19.

    I don’t believe that there is a strict definition of over-reacting to a valid threat. That is a subjective assessment. A positive way to look at it would be that it is a “free country.” People are entitled to over-react if they so desire.

    That opens up opportunities for those who react appropriately. In the days of the internet everyone has access to information which they may interpret according to their interest and abilities. If they don’t have the ability to interpret information correctly, there is not much one can do about that in the long run.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  306. Ryan2 says:

    Why aren’t the major lenders in the U.S. ( there are probably only three or four really) making a blanket statement that everything is on pause for 3 months across the board. No interest, no payments, no problem. We all need to stay home and get through this. ?

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  307. anonymous[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Except it wasn’t a hoax

    You and Max Boot are the only people who think so at this point.

    the postings contained a blend of fact and analysis.

    Another of your lies.

    I know it’s above your pay grade

    Stop acting like a catty woman.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  308. @Lol

    If they test only gravely ill then their death rate is shown much higher than it actually is, while their infection rate, as you say, would appear to be much lower.

    Worldometers, comparing locked down Norway to non locked down Sweden, gives:
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    cases deaths Cases/million deaths/mm
    4,445 32 820/mm 6
    4028 146 399 14

    So on objective measures of deaths/mm, Sweden is doing worse than Norway at 6, and the USA at 9, about the same as Denmark at 13, and much better than locked down Italy at 192 or Spain at 165.

    Herd immunity Dutchmen are at 50, 3.5x worse than Sweden.

    Intriguing is that the USA at 9/mm is very close to Germany at 8/mm.

    • Replies: @Antares
  309. Lolz, the elites and their police state social media gateways – delivering the same survelliance porn as always but clearly in an existential funk of fear like never before. Drowning in hand sanitizer in their million dollar bunkers isn’t going to work. The possibility of a servant uprising is far more terrifying than any remote chance of lethal infection.

  310. anastasia says:

    Please explain the exponential growth they scientists anticipated and swore to with MERS, SARS, EBOLA, SWINE FLU, BIRD FLU , ETC. I personally know doctors hysterical about the “contagion”

    You take a test, proven by the very instructions and warnings of the CDC itself as to its lack of validity, and assemble an exponential growth from diagnosis made from this bogus test, and expect people to accept this?

    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/03/30/corona-creating-the-illusion-of-a-pandemic-through-diagnostic-tests/

    https://infectiousmyth.podbean.com/e/the-infectious-myth-david-tackles-the-coronavirus-panic/

    The people dying, bar none, have major underlying illnesses. We have not heard about ONE who has died from one disease – corona virus.

    The vast majority of people who others believe are “diseased” with corona virus have no symptoms, belying the very definition of “disease.

    Who, name one person who was VERY SICK, AND DIED OF THIS VIRUS AND NOTHING ELSE.
    NAME ONE.

    And then read about the test.

    The people on this site draw every inference from the one significant lie that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. But these lies, far more significant, far more numerous, everyones swallowing whole.

    Ron Unz majored in Physics. That explains alot.

  311. Corvinus says:
    @BuelahMan

    “I’m in sales and daily speak with many people. As this thing has gone on, I continually ask evertyone I work with, plus friends, family and customers, “Do you know anyone that is sick?” I have not heard from a single person that they know anyone in person with even a headache. The only ones they know of are media driven.”

    That is a story that is hard to believe.

    “But I do know that the wealthiest people in America are getting richer while most people I know (poor to middle class) are going broke.”

    And you know this…how?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @BuelahMan
  312. Sean says:
    @Hibernian

    What about scaling. If a city doubles in size, it need only only 85 percent more resources. “When you double the population, everything that’s related to the social network goes up by the same percentage.”. When (AOTBE) a city doubles in size, all sorts of things things from crime and wages to traffic will increase by around 15 per cent. Influenza does too.

  313. anastasia says:

    You are writing this article a little precipitously. It is very obvious that they will (because they MUST) reassemble the victims, and the bogus test will not be given to those who are asymptomatic, or to those with major underlying illnesses, with one foot on a banana peel and the other in a grave.

    The numbers will go down, and it will appear as if they “won the war against the pandemic”, patting themselves on the back, and we will all hail the heros who fought on the “front lines” like the subject of this article.

    Your article is premature. There will be at least another 1 to 2 weeks of test taking of both this type of patsy, before we see the numbers go down.

    • Agree: refl
  314. Truth says:
    @Tim K

    Yeah, and almost 1/5 of the fat asses who die of heart disease, but I don’t see the government forcing anyone to buy a gym membership.

  315. FB says: • Website
    @CanSpeccy

    this is an orchestrated takedown of the economy and the general standard of living around the world.

    that is the inevitable logic of elite thinking.

    Of course, no question about that…the elite has always despised the ‘little people’ with an utterly imperious contempt…they have never cared about the common good…only their own selfish interests…

    Question is, what have the plebs to say for themselves?

    Do the plebs have no way forward, whatever?

    Indeed…and looking at the comments on this board one can quickly see what the problem is…

    The ‘plebes’ are brainwashed…that is the first and biggest obstacle to any forward progress…because their entire belief system is completely wrong on just about everything…

    For instance, one of the big currents here is the fact that the corona lockdown will cause economic pain for ordinary people…

    No doubt this is true…BUT…in the same breath they rail against ‘communism’ and the Chinese way of doing things, when in fact the Chinese system [and that of other socialist economies] has in place an extensive system of social support, and they know they will be looked after…nobody in China is screaming in panic about losing their livelihood…despite the fact that the Chinese reaction to the virus will no doubt have a huge impact on their economy…

    So there is the disconnect with reality right there…why are Americans so worried about the economic devastation, if the capitalist system is so great…surely everything the folks here say about this marvelous system is true, and capitalism is the only decent way to live as a human on this planet…?

    Why worry then…you have just told us how lousy the Chinese communist system is, so you have nothing to fear right…?

    Another interesting current here is that of perceived cultural superiority [besides the political superiority of capitalism]…

    Everybody here fully believes that the ‘white man’ invented everything…and that the ‘turd world’ has never contributed, nor led the way…just received from our culture and science…

    Of course to any serious scientist who is aware of the history of mathematics, science and the progress of technology, that is simply a silly delusion…a disneyland fable that has nothing to do with reality…

    Take medicine for instance…a thousand years ago the Chinese had already figured out inoculation against smallpox, a virus that has killed huge swaths of humanity throughout history…observing that those who survived the pox never got the disease again, Chinese doctors would take scabs from an infected child, grind the pustules into a powder and blow it into the nostrils of a child with a long silver pipe…

    Is this one of the reasons the Chinese are over one billion strong…?

    Eventually the Arabs learned this from the Chinese, and the Indians from the Arabs…so that by the 1700s you had smallpox inoculation in Sudan…an African, black-skinned country where many children were saved by this early form of vaccine, while European children, even those of the nobility, died helplessly…

    In the 1700s Lady Mary Wortley Montagu, the wife of the British Ambassador to Constantinople, who had been left with a pitted face from surviving smallpox in her youth, witnessed the practice, and wrote to a friend…

    The old woman comes with a nut-shell full of the matter of the best sort of small-pox, and asks what vein you please to have opened…puts into the vein as much matter as can lie upon the head of her needle.

    They have very rarely above twenty or thirty [scabs] in their faces, which never mark; and in eight days’ time they are as well as before their illness.

    You may believe I am well satisfied of the safety of this experiment, since I intend to try it on my dear little son.

    Lady Montagu’s son never got the pox…

    Bottom line is that the rampant ignorance of the plebes is mostly to blame for our plight…and is almost certainly why there will be no forward progress…

    It is an open question right now whether the lockdown will do more harm than good…we simply do not know…the medical fact is that young people are vulnerable too [many have died already, including infants]…if allowed to spread unconstrained, many thousands of young people will need an ICU bed and a ventilator…what happens when there is not enough…?

    What happens to the economy if many people with needed skills die or are permanently sidelined…which is worse…a temporary but certainly significant pause in economic activity, or a permanent demographic disruption whose scale we can only guess at…?

    The only thing we know for sure is that the Chinese reacted very forcefully and they have beaten this thing…the people living in their communist system seem hardly scathed at all…unlike our own people they are not worried…they do trust their government and their elite, and we see now that they have good reason to…

    Unlike our own elites, the Chinese elite do seem to actually care about the common good, and do take care of their people…

  316. Rooster1 says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Why do you think they said they were going to keep the military’s numbers confidential? The official narrative is that it’s for national security or some b.s. Really it’s because when no one dies it destroys the narrative!

    Think of the original Diamond Princess cruise ship, with 3,711 passengers who were mostly elderly, 634 got infected and I believe 3 died… that means in an isolated environment, .5% of the senior citizens who got the disease died… and of the total passengers, .08% died. That doesn’t keep people tuning in to the news.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  317. utu says:
    @utu

    The lower bound projection by the model of the total number of deaths for NYS is 14,000 by April 20, i.e, 14,000 deaths due to covid in March 15-April 20 period of 35 days which 12,000 deaths per 30-day month. Providing that by the heroic efforts of Gov. Cuomo and all New Yorkers the victory will be announced in 20 days with the total number of deaths of 14,000 dead how possibly the covid skeptics and hoaxer could challenge it? Could they claim that the 12,000 deaths in the 30-day period is hidden in the usual mortality statistics?

    Annual mortality in the US is 8.5/1000 which means that monthly in NYS 14116 people die. The hoaxers would have to claim that almost all people who died in NYS were classified as covid casualties. What about the skeptics clamming that this is just like a flu epidemic. Past flu epidemics could take 60,000 people in the flu season that, say, may last 3 months, which is 20,000 in one month which for NYS (6.25% of US population) would be 1,250 death in usual fee epidemic in one month.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  318. A123 says:
    @mark green

    The catastrophic scenarios concerning Covid-19 that are now being marketed by medical authorities are reminiscent of ‘expert’ projections involving (anthropogenic) ‘climate change’. Yet the result has been:

    No human or animal extinctions (due to anthropogenic global warming).
    No flooded metropolises.
    No ‘unnatural’ weather catastrophes.

    But tens of billions of dollars have been squandered and countless lives have turned upside-down over faulty climate models cooked up by ‘experts’.

    What? Models generated by government grants must be right. After all, government experts never lie!

    Let us look at the picture below. The climate change vessel has discovered something retroactively predicted by the expert model. The existence of hot-cold ice. The model unequivocally shows, When temperatures increase things get colder.

    In this instance, global warming was so severe that the hot-cold ice trapped the vessel. Do not accept the simple answer that the ice formed because temperatures were low. You must believe the government approved model that has been carefully retconned adjusted to scientifically prove that this hot-cold ice is the product of global warming.

    The Expert Committee on ReverseInfoSpeak Approves this ++GoodFact Announcement.

    Obedience is Strength — Compliance is Mandatory — Government is Your Best Friend

    😂
    _______

    • LOL: mark green
  319. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Nowhere in the article is there any mention of FACE MASKS.

    Dr. Sarah Cody and her colleagues should use the massive financial resources and political heft currently at their disposal to get a stack of surgical face to every man, woman and child in their districts.

    The Czech Republic, Taiwan and other countries were able to ramp up mask production and use in a matter of days. The only reason we are not seeing this in the U.S. is because there is STILL no willingness to set aside regulatory hurdles from bygone eras, and health officials by definition are steeped in an anti-market, top-down culture with no understanding of the benefits of market forces.

    Are masks a good idea for the general public? Despite a lot of double-talk from CDC and other “health leaders,” the bottom line is that masks are quite useful and generally recommended in Asia.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30134-X/fulltext

    The real reason that CDC and state health officers in the U.S. continue to pooh-pooh the idea appears to be out of a perception that there is a mask shortage (true – due to massive regulatory intervention), and that the few masks available should be reserved for medical personnel.

    It’s EITHER-OR.

    EITHER we are serious about minimizing R-0 throughout the community. In that case, masks can help push R-0 down, perhaps below the magical threshold of 1.0, meaning that the pandemic recedes as it rose, exponentially.

    OR we are simply not serious, in which case “shelter in place” is just an expensive charade.

  320. @Carlton Meyer

    somewhat surprised that Unz, whose IQ is to the rest of us combined as Mt. Olympus is to a molehill, would go along with the gubmint line. Beyond the event horizon, Emperor Haxo IV may have to re-evaluate his Honorary Aryan status. “Coronovirus Pandemic” is a serendipitous scam that the (((PTB))) is using to smokescreen

    1) another multi-trillion debtbuck collapse and bail-out of (((Wall Street))),

    2) liquidation of (white) Main Street, and

    3) massive extension of ZOG political tyranny.

  321. @Corvinus

    No Corvinus. You have Trump Derangement Syndrome and Vox Day Derangement Syndrome.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  322. vot tak says:

    Human life must trump economics in a pandemic. THIS is why China is succeeding in war on Covid-19 and US is on path to disaster

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/484517-china-us-disastrous-pandemic-response/

    “More generally, for real human beings, the most fundamental issue in your life is not whether you can use Facebook, or cast a vote for a politician who promises one thing at an election and then does something completely different after it in a system which gives no real control over them, but the real ability to stay alive when faced with a deadly threat, and to have a decent and rising standard of living, to have health care, to have education, and innumerable other real concerns of people.

    But what was the response of the so called ‘human rights’ organizations in the West to this? Total and criminal condemnation of China’s successful strategy!

    Kenneth Roth, executive director of ‘Human Rights Watch,’ declared: “In typical Chinese Communist Party fashion, Beijing confines 35 million people rather than pursuing the transparent and targeted approach to the Wuhan coronavirus that public health and human rights require.” The Guardian in Britain published article after article attacking China’s methods of dealing with the virus before finally admitting on March 20, almost two months after China started its decisive actions: “Rigid travel restrictions and social distancing requirements appear to have had their desired effect.”

    Joshua Wong, a supporter of the Hong Kong rioters, called for the WHO director general’s resignation because the organization supported China’s successful strategy.

    If the advice of Roth, the Guardian, or Wong had been taken, by now thousands more people, more probably tens of thousands, would be dead.

    So, for example, WHO data for March 28 shows the US had 16,894 new daily coronavirus cases – 4.3 times as high as China’s worst daily peak of 3,887. But China’s population is 4.25 times that of the US. So, in proportion to China’s population, the US figures are equal to 71,799 (16,894 x 4.25). The relative intensity of the impact of the coronavirus in the US is therefore already more than 18 times as great as the worst day in China! And the number of daily cases in the US is on a strongly rising upward curve. A literal catastrophe is unfolding in the US.

    The geopolitical consequences of this situation are both immediate and long term. In the short term, so far, the coronavirus has only hit three regions with mass force – China, the US, and Western Europe. Countries in other regions will feel its full force in the coming weeks. They can either attempt to follow the successful path of China or they can follow the disastrous one of the US.

    In the last 12 years, the world has passed through two huge global tests – the international financial crisis and the coronavirus pandemic. In both, China has far outperformed the US. This will necessarily lead to a major shift in geopolitics in favor of China. The longer the US continues with its present disastrous response to the coronavirus, the greater that shift will be.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  323. @follyofwar

    Why should the staff give a sh*t about the incontinent inmates, whose stinking sh*t they must clean up every day?

    Compassion? Dignity? Respect for human life, especially those who contributed so much to the society that they live in? An understanding that they too will be old and infirm one day? Any one of the many other reasons that any decent person would come up with?

    Perhaps also because mature and responsible adults understand that they themselves chose to do the work and are being paid for doing it. Imagine being a responsible adult… Oh, never mind, you cannot.

    Your comments reflect the thinking of a very, very flawed and selfish minded petty-person and it’s sad for you that your parents did such a poor job on teaching you any real values. Sad for you also that you will grow old yourself amongst people who will likely be even much worse than yourself, if present day behaviour is anything to go by.

  324. FB says: • Website
    @Tor597

    [Trump] could have still come out on top by bailing out the people instead of Walstreet.

    What…?

    Not bailing out wall street and Boeing and Richard Branson and the rest of the billionaires…?

    Bailing out the PEOPLE instead…?

    Are you some kind of communist…?

    Don’t you know that we love everything about capitalism, including bailouts for the super wealthy that choose to recklessly gamble billions on the wall street crapshoot, secure in the knowledge that if they lose any money at all that the taxpayers’ veins will be swiftly sliced open to make up their losses…?

    Those are the rules of capitalism that we all love so much…one rule for them and another for the rest of us…try mortgaging your house and blowing it at a casino…then go for a bailout…?

  325. Corvinus says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    “From what I have read about the tests there are presently none which are accurate or reliable in the field, and that even in a lab it is extremely difficult to determine whether or not a person was infected with COVID-19.”

    Regardless of their flaws, they are tools used to combat a global pandemic, one that is REAL.

    https://ourworldindata.org/covid-testing

  326. Trinity says:
    @Hibernian

    Louisville isn’t a particularly huge city like NYC but it isn’t exactly Mayberry either. Have to check out the population but I am sure the metro has to be well over a million plus. There were two posters on another article claiming they lived in the NYC area and that what we are being told is mostly BULLSHIT. Another poster just recently posted on this article that America experienced two similar flu epidemics in the years of 1957 and 1968 and America handled it without all the media hoopla and blatant over the top hysteria. The poster cited that maybe this might be due to our medical system being inept/corrupt and overwhelmed and not up to snuff like it was back then, or maybe we have a much more unhealthy population. IMO, he is right on both counts. Wasn’t alive in ’57 and only a young tyke in ’68, but anyone who has been around since the 80’s can tell you how incompetent hospitals, doctors, etc., are compared to yesteryear. No doubt that America was far less populated in the late 50’s and late 60’s. America was also an 85-90% WHITE country back then as well. Hmm, might that have something to do with how our country handled the situation back then as well? Nah, claiming something like that would be “racist,” and everyone knows that “diversity is our greatest strength.”

  327. Art says:

    But then on Monday, March 16th a miracle occurred. With no prior warning or public discussion, Santa Clara County Public Health Officer Dr. Sarah Cody and her counterparts from five other SF Bay Area counties announced that they had issued a “Shelter in Place” order, their somewhat euphemistic term for a full regional lock-down.

    On Jan 31 Trump halted travel from China – this saved many many lives.

    Major credit is due.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
  328. Ron Unz says:
    @James Forrestal

    My own Santa Clara County was then the national epicenter of the Coronavirus outbreak…

    It must have seemed that way from a local perspective, but extensive community transmission was first documented in Washington state — and as of March 9, Bloomberg (located in neither Santa Clara County nor Washington State) was declaring that:

    The Seattle area, which had 118 infections and 18 deaths as of Sunday, is now the center of the most severe known U.S. outbreak

    Sure, that’s fair. But I think the Washington State cases were heavily concentrated in that one particular nursing home, while the ones in Santa Clara County were spread out and completely unconnected, making it seem more like a widespread pattern of infection.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  329. Ron Unz says:
    @Jett Rucker

    … remains of a youthful squirrel …

    Imaginative writing, Ron. How did you ascertain the squirrels’ ages?

    Well, each Spring the new generation of young squirrels come out, and they often seem a little confused and inexperienced. And Springtime is when I generally see the remains of dead squirrels on the roadways…

    • Replies: @Sean
  330. Mehen says:

    Here’s a comment I sent to my cousin the other night while in a state of drunken enlightenment. Deluded? Insightful?

    —————-

    It has occurred to me (along with many others) that the current situation mirrors in many ways the Global Warming Hoax. Consider: you have a group of scientists who are dependent on funding, who want to feel “relevant” and like heroes pushing the political agenda. Then you have the so-called “Deniers”, a.k.a Skeptics who are equally qualified experts who say “well, this is way overhyped and it’s all based on models using unverified assumptions” yadda yadda yadda. And the Skeptics point out that if we were to undertake the proposals put forward by the Climate Alarmists that it would cost trillions and bankrupt us, all the while barely making a dent in the supposed problem.

    I’m sure you are aware that the Right has perceived these attempts by the Left to control the world as power grabs that would take money from the populace to redistribute it to the elites.

    Well, it seems that the Elite’s attempts with Global Warming have not managed to move the needle very much.

    Even with poor little Greta Thurnberg.

    It seems that a far off catastrophe years in the future doesn’t work.

    So how how how to get the population to give up their money and become debt slaves?

    As one commenter put it: “The elites decided that it had to be an alien invasion or a virus. They chose virus.” LOL

    So now, it seems, even formerly rational people who are normally skeptical get the shit scared out of them and are willing to give up any and all freedoms, and are willing to mortgage their children’s future over this.

    The same result.

    I like to consider myself to have a decent bullshit-detector but I can’t believe I fell for this!!!!

    All the money I spent, all the stress and sleepless nights.

    Someone needs to pay.

    • Replies: @Spanky
  331. @Really No Shit

    The virus is likely a very bad one, so no. The number of people who are claimed to have died from it, probably is, due to the inability or unwillingness to test for this specific virus and the addition of a great many old and very sick people dying while also claimed to be infected. A great many people also die from seasonal flu every year.

    The OTT media hysteria and insane government responses are indeed a hoax and we have already seen a great many incidences where simulations and drills either precede the real thing or have been claimed to be the real thing.

    Remember Morgan’s Law, There are two reasons for everything, a good reason and the real reason.

  332. Pft says:
    @Hibernian

    Funny how these disasters (9/11, 2008 and 2020) happen when the neocons are in control. Not that I think the Dems/Biden are any prize (frankly they seem to have conceded the next 4 years to the neocons even before covid). Probably a secret handshake where each party takes turns every 8 years to keep the game looking like a Democracy. Bolsheviks or Mensheviks, hard choices (not that we have one really), different kind of evils.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  333. Skeptikal says:

    Why do so many people relish the idea of a pandemic?They really seem to want it finally to happen.
    Yep, it’s The Big One.
    It has finally arrived.

    Doomsayers seem to love the prospect of this type of catastrophe.
    Do they read too much science fiction?

    There are many slow-moving catastrophes that these doomsayer take zero interest in.
    Perhaps because dealing with them requires a long political slog, whereas reacting to a pandemic is a sudden series of extreme measures, which somehow feels good.

    Possibly the pandemic lovers harbor a genuine hope that a pandemic will finally concentrate minds and genuine changes in society will follow.

    A pandemic cuts across political lines (or should), so it provides a welcome diversion from the god-awful ongoing reality of actual politics.

    Of course the “pandemic” is a perfect opportunity for “politics” to proceed in the background without the onerous (to both the citizens and their bosses) machinery of the normal political processes. Since the citizens are stuck at home. Can’t gather, can’t demonstrate, can’t protest, can’t besiege lawmakers’ offices in DC. Etc.

    Mainly, the pandemic lovers seek, I believe, an emotional charge. “IT” has finally happened. It is apocalyptic thinking.

    What amazes me is that the same educated crowd who swallowed the Russiagate line hook line and sinker are once again failing to exercise their skepticism gene. Yes, it is a serious disease. No, it is not “business as UNusual.” It should be much closer to business as usual.

    Another reason to welcome the pandemic catastrophe: In a state of exception, lots of things are simply on hold. There is no need to feel guilty for indecisiveness because in effect all decisions have been put on the back burner indefinitely.

    Yay! Freedom from the need to make decisions!

  334. anonymous[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    And you know this…how?

    The same way you and Max Boot know Trump and Putin are conspiring together to overthrow the U.S. of A.

    Actually, BuelahMan probably has better (i.e. non-TDS) reasons.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  335. I had no idea that the Chinese Coronavirus Pandemic would lead to the use of Chinese Medicine!

    IV Vitamin C “Widely Used” To Treat COVID-19 In NY Hospitals

    The regimen is based on experimental treatments administered to people with the coronavirus in Shanghai, China, Weber said.

  336. @Art

    Bad Orange Man gets credit for nothing!

  337. hetro says:

    On the squirrel reference, squirrels get confused. They’re ready to heave across a road, and they’re very quick, but they hear the vehicle and hesitate. Which way to go? Sadly, too often they choose the wrong way and leap right into the path of a vehicle.

    Is there a symbol here for this moment, maybe–except squirrels are lovable little guys. Personally I brake for them.

    Now, the Unz Review here in this very article demonstrates something puzzling to me in that we have major sources of alternative news (as also with RT and Sputnik) readily with beaming smiles pushing the conventional story.

    Once again, with Ron’s piece here it’s all generalization instead of particularization. That is, the situation is simplifed (well, over-simplified) to the formula: test positive = infection= decline soon to hospitalization = rapid spread to everybody = equals horrible death.

    This is the message we’re all getting crammed down our throats.

    This behavior actually has a name: it’s called alarmism. It’s not simply caution, which everbody is aware of now. It’s actually the reason so much toilet paper has been purchased and hoarded. When a lot of the you know, stuff, is coming out of you because you’re so freaked out, well, the TP bill goes up!

    I would like to appeal in just two ways:

    *Try to contextualize what’s happening now with the exercise back in October, the planning for this (sort of) event and b) as with 9/11 wonder a bit about all these indications of people having advanced knowledge of what’s going on.

    Instead of blanket generalizing when we’re talking about the most alarming aspects–the jump in cases overnight; the number of deaths overnight; the automatic speculation these generalized numbers mean specific results–instead of this let us break down the cases into their details; distinguish who is mild; who severe; pre-existing/non-preexisting–in short a details diagnosis?

    *And can we at least ask questions, be skeptical, instead of being dismissed as denialists? Looking back, to 9/11, might we bit a tad skeptical do you suppose?

    Perhaps what the governing forces are doing is only honorable stupidity? (Sorry, Ron.) Yes, let’s explore that too.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
    • Replies: @Marshall Lentini
  338. Skeptikal says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I agree.
    This is just too weird.

  339. Rurik says:
    @Trinity

    I am sure there are many others.

    Putin poisoned Skripal

    Putin shot the plane down

    Putin’s ‘aggression’ in Ukraine

    Babies on German bayonets

    Kuwaiti incubators

    Lusitania (it was full of armaments)

    Edward Snowden is a traitor

    Clapper: the NSA does not collect data on Americans

    Those people were ‘whackos’ at Waco

    Oklahoma building

    Seth Rich was killed in a robbery

    McCain was a war hero

    Gadhafi / Benghazi / ‘what difference does it make?’

    Pat Tillman was killed by the Taliban

    US supports “democracies” in Ukraine and Egypt and elsewhere.

    Israel is our friend and ally

    Russia meddles in our democracy

    Trump is an agent of an hostile foreign government (Oops, that one is true! ; )

    I am sure there are many others.

    • Thanks: Trinity
  340. Kim says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Actually, the articles are nearly all crap. It’s the comment software, which is exceptionally good, that draws the crowd.

    Fact.

  341. Good to know there are competent government employees, at least at the local level.

  342. Anonymous[214] • Disclaimer says:
    @Levtraro

    You don’t understand what affirming the consequent means, do you? Stop wasting people’s time.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  343. Sean says:
    @Ron Unz

    For a month or two, our national government and its top health officials seemed similarly paralyzed with horror as they began to recognize the oncoming locomotive of a deadly disease rapidly approaching them. But during this crucial period, they did little or nothing and vast numbers of Americans may die as a consequence.

    Let’s get this straight. On the 7th of January 2020 the Chinese publicly announced that the Wuhan disease was a coronavirus, but was not spreading from person to person with any frequency.

    Now the Chinese Doctor Deaths are telling us that the pandemic may decline in October this year.

    Between Spring and Autumn the squirrels get better at being squirrels. If that virus returns in October more virulent and with a W graph mortality, then there will be no question about where it has been. And China will have something coming.

  344. Anonymous[214] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Scalpel

    I apologize if my tone was insulting. But have a look at the video of many ERs around the country, presently up at Infowars, which shows nothing at all going on, not just in Louisville, but in other big cities, including LA, which is supposedly one of the epicenters. It’s a mixed picture, but way too much doesn’t add up to go along with the fear porn coming from TV news.

  345. Rurik says:
    @Trinity

    Epstein “suicided” himself

    The accidental death of General Patton

    I knew there were more..

    I forgot those two doozies when I was making my impromptu list.

    How many more lies did they (are they) tell(ing)?

    [MORE]

    Gary Webb committed suicide by shooting himself in the head – twice

    Vincent Foster

    Ron Brown

    Yellow cake

    Global warming

    ‘hands up – don’t shoot’

    White supremacist and racist murderer George Zimmerman / white supremacist and racist murderer Nikolas Cruz / white supremacist Nick Sandmann / white supremacist Steve Bannon…

    university mattress/rape girl

    Duke Lacrosse rapists

    Tawana Brawley rape

    Hurricane Carter was innocent

    The Civil war was about slavery

    Hunter Biden did not engage in corruption (I actually heard that recently on NPR)

    Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack

    Hitler wanted to take over the world

    • Replies: @Trinity
  346. Ron Unz says:
    @utu

    The hoaxers would have to claim that almost all people who died in NYS were classified as covid casualties. What about the skeptics clamming that this is just like a flu epidemic.

    Well, upthread someone noticed that that according to their professional association, 61 Italian doctors had already died of Coronavirus during the current outbreak:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-government-employee-who-may-have-saved-a-million-american-lives/#comment-3806303

    If that’s the typical mortality rate for Italian doctors every flu season, their medical schools must have a hard time recruiting applicants.

    My guess is that some of the hoaxers will soon admit they were mistaken, while the others will just begin to claim that absolutely all death statistics and other information about the outbreak is entirely fictional…

  347. Skeptikal says:
    @Richard B

    “I turned out to be wrong in the case of another writer. ”

    Was that by any chance “b,” of Moon of Alabama?

    • Replies: @Richard B
  348. Skeptikal says:
    @mark green

    Don’t forget Y2K!!
    That was really the end of the world, because of a digit rolling over.

    Actually, the worst thing about Y2K was that it effectively confused everyone as to the actual beginning of the next millennium, and each decade thereof.

    The new millennium started on Jan. 1, 2001—not Jan. 1, 2000.

    We do not have year zero; we have year 1 and year 10 and year 100.

    This means that the new millennium cannot start on a “zero” year. That is actually year 10 of the previous decade/millennium.

  349. Hibernian says:
    @The Scalpel

    Do you test for HIV?

    • Replies: @The Scalpel
  350. Hibernian says:
    @Ryan2

    Because they’re too highly leveraged.

  351. ken19 says:

    Shutting down the economy will cause more pain, misery and deaths than the virus itself. Enjoy your cells.

  352. Spanky says:
    @Mehen

    …how to get the population to give up their money and become debt slaves?

    …it seems, even formerly rational people who are normally skeptical get the shit scared out of them and are willing to give up any and all freedoms… — Mehen

    Here is where all “the global elite want totalitarian control” arguments fall apart, for me at least. Two points:

    First, the global elite are far from unified. Factionalism abounds as everyone’s interests are not always (if ever) perfectly aligned. Elites pursue their own interests and are constantly jockeying for position with their peers for whom no love is lost.

    Second, apparently most Americans are already debt slaves. Why would US elites want to jeopardize their current domination of the nation’s political, economic and financial systems for tighter, and thus more obvious, control? They already own about 80% of everything and command both political parties, the media and monetary system which makes that possible. By removing the velvet glove in favor of an iron fist they risk awakening and alienating a well propagandized, surveilled and quiescent population… Where is the upside in that?

    • Agree: mark green
    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @NoseytheDuke
  353. Rurik says:

    My guess is that some of the hoaxers will soon admit they were mistaken,

    I suspect so, but I would also suggest they can be forgiven their skepticism, when every time our government or media say something, they’re almost certainly telling agenda-driven lies.

    And how this virus has been a Godsend to the regimes of the world. It’s almost like they couldn’t have prayed for a more perfect gift.

    China gets to silence the Hong Kong protesters, and no doubt the Uyghurs will be tossed under the bus. The Chinese people’s data will be even more vacuumed up and quantified and collated and sifted though for the benefit of the regime. As will happen now in virtually all nations effected by this virus. It’s going to be an orgy of data collection the likes of which Orwell could never have imagined.

    The West gets to increase their police state powers, to only dreamed-of levels.

    The ZUS gets to loot the American people and their Treasury of untold trillions, while deploying the military and setting up logistical sites. Southern Europe is going to be looking for debt forgiveness.

    It’s such win/win for every regime on the planet, that I think it’s simply prudent to listen to it all with a ton of skepticism. Even if it’s for real, the idea of the elderly dying off in droves, must make the governments of the world giddy. If they had created it in a lab, they couldn’t have designed it to better suit most of the governments of the world.

    How many here believe the governments and elites of the world care about their people’s welfare and want their people to have more freedom, and longer lifespans?

    I bet not one person.

  354. utu says:

    I wish there were more data and analyses on responses of Taiwan, Japan and also Canada to the epidemic. Most importantly Taiwan which has the best intelligence on China.

  355. @MrFoSquare

    It’s typical Unz behavior. Stick around a few years and you’ll also be able to see it coming.

  356. SafeNow says:

    Many Australians, disgusted with the government’s coronavirus response, are now saying that they should surrender their country to New Zealand; annex us, and tell us what to do. America should reverse Japan’s World War II surrender, and surrender to Japan; tell us what to do. Or surrender to South Korea. America should have done this a few months ago, but better late than never.

  357. Corvinus says:
    @anonymous

    “You and Max Boot are the only people who think so at this point.”

    It’s actually more than you believe. But I wouldn’t expect you to comprehend such challenging matters.

    “Stop acting like a catty woman.”

    I think last time you had your temper tantrum you called me a Jew. Drink your prune juice. A little warm milk in it will take the bite of the taste.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  358. Corvinus says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    “You have Trump Derangement Syndrome and Vox Day Derangement Syndrome.”

    No, I’m just being critical of two blowhards. What’s your excuse for defending them? Big book deal at Castalia House?

  359. Wally says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    – So how old were these “doctors”.

    – What test is given? Was it merely a test for a corona virus? IOW, did it simply find any one of the 19 corona viruses?

    CNN? LOL

    Notice the CNN article talks about the total number of alleged CV-19 cases while ignoring the small comparative size of US deaths .

  360. Maiasta says:
    @Ron Unz

    Annual death rate in Italy is slightly under 1%. That translates into 600,000 fatalities per year.

    Italy has ranked among the top countries for physicians per 100,000 people since 2001. In 2007, for example, it had 420 doctors per 100,000 people.

    https://www.infoplease.com/world/health-and-social-statistics/physicians-100000-people-country

    Now, 0.42 percent of 600,000 is 2,520. If annual deaths were distributed evenly across all occupations, this is how many Italian doctors we would expect to die in one year. 2,520, not 61. Are we even sure that all 61 died in the field battling coronavirus?

    Let’s view it another way: Italy says that 10,779 people have died of the Coronavirus. It also says that 61 doctors have died of it. That would be 0.57 percent of the fatalities, i.e barely more than the national proportion of Italy’s doctors.

    • Agree: utu, 2stateshmustate
    • Thanks: Yevardian
  361. Rurik says:
    @Spanky

    First, the global elite are far from unified. Factionalism abounds as everyone’s interests are not always (if ever) perfectly aligned.

    I would posit that they’re all perfectly aligned with each other, and in perfect agreement, that they’d all love to have more (‘absolute’ would be best) power over the lives of their respective populations.

    Why would US elites want to jeopardize their current domination of the nation’s political, economic and financial systems for tighter, and thus more obvious, control?

    You answered your own question.

    By removing the velvet glove in favor of an iron fist they risk awakening and alienating a well propagandized, surveilled and quiescent population… Where is the upside in that?

    In the fun of it.

    What fun is it for them to rule over a quiescent population of soma-imbibing drones?

    It’s the ol Huxley vs. Orwell conundrum. Which is better? A population of anesthetized but ‘happy’ and willing zombies?

    Or an iron fist smashing into their brutalized and bloody faces?

    We already know their nature (at least those of us in the West), by how they treated the Kulaks or now the Palestinians. They LOVE to torment and mercilessly make them suffer, for the fun of it. For the raw power they can exert over their victims on a daily basis. The humiliations seems to give them orgiastic, triumphant glee.

    The unbridled expression of absolute power over others. The suffering you subject them to. The humiliations and misery.

    If they could create happy places where homogeneity and bonhomie were the order of the day, and massive production and economic output were a natural consequence,

    vs.

    forcing incompatible populations into the same space, to watch with leering satisfaction as the strife and misery and bloodshed compound…

    which do you think they’d go for? Even if it meant less money in their hands, the rewards of watching the people suffer, would far, far outweigh the loss of lucre, which is only a means after all, to more power.

    People with power want more of it. And once they get enough, well, they can never have enough.

    All of human history tells us this is so. Everything we know about human nature, screams that this is the hardwiring. Power, for it’s own sake. Exactly as Orwell said.

    “The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently.”

    If the powers of the world would agree on anything, then a scheme to make them all far more powerful over their respective citizens, would be the one thing I suspect that they’d all agree on. Enthusiastically.

    • LOL: Spanky
    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  362. @TomSchmidt

    “My 401K going down means the end of the country.”

    • Replies: @Spanky
  363. @Richard B

    Agree 100% with CanSpaccy’s reply: it’s the comments that make TUR worth reading. Moreover, Ron Unz’s change of tone is not the only one: Phil Giraldi’s latest piece is similarly off key.

  364. @skrik

    I’ve noticed that you seem to know a hell of a lot that just isn’t so. Do you just watch too much TV, or are you shilling for a particular client?

    • Replies: @skrik
  365. Jimsy says:

    I dunno, Biff. Hearing that the USA will suffer worse from this Covid plague than other countries left me unmoved. For 75 years — and especially the last 18 — the USA has caused suffering and loss of life in countries around the world, but how many ordinary Americans speak up out about this? Maybe Covid in the USA is a kind of karma.

  366. @Desert Fox

    Fox, you are a master of understatement. 😉

  367. onebornfree says: • Website

    All of you idiotic government lockdown fans need to closely watch this short video, and think really hard, for once in your sorry-ass , miserable, little, government worshiping lives, which, by the way, are all about to get a hell of a lot more sorry-assed and miserable now, thanks to Trump’s latest idiocy:

    “WTF?! Trump EXTENDS SHUTDOWN, Admits It’ll Cause “MASSIVE DEATH!””

    Enjoy your $1200 , suckers!

    “Regards”, onebornfree

  368. @Alfred

    You first, meathead. Get out there and mingle!

    • LOL: Alfred
  369. @Rurik

    Agree, the book The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed documents that the zionists have been in control for several generations, this book can be had on amazon.com and is one of the most important books I have ever read.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  370. Anonymous[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron, please read the whole of the link below. I know you’re usually a little slow on the uptake and I know you usually get there in the end, but these events are happening in real time and it would be great if you could get up to speed while it’s still relevant.

    https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

    • Agree: kgbgb
    • Replies: @kgbgb
  371. @Corvinus

    What’s your excuse for defending them? Big book deal at Castalia House?

    Actually, Vox turned down my submission.

    I guess he must have turned yours down as well!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  372. @Spanky

    Those pesky American plebes still think that they have a Bill of Rights and are armed to the teeth because of it. Unlike the British, Australians and New Zealanders they are still unlikely to give them up easily.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  373. @alchemist

    No. The US is a stumblebum. It didn’t “release” the virus in Wuhan. Soldiers based nearby Ft. Detrick Maryland got infected from an accidental, let’s call it a spill. Like those chemical spills that always seem to happen on the Oakland Bay Bridge during rush hour. And then those infected soldiers brought it to Wuhan when they attended the war games there. Classic total FUBAR. An American Specialty, for 244 years.

  374. Well, good to know the brutal mass murdering commies are still kicking our free asses, by saving peoples lives. Yes, we are free, free to die bankrupt. Yee haw!

    I’ve noticed lately that all the CIA propagandists are repeating the line that China is lying about the numbers of infected/dead. So I am going to safely assume that the US is projecting and they are definitely lying about our numbers of infected/dead. So be sure to keep this in mind for future estimates Mr. Travis.

    Did anyone notice this?

    https://www.state.gov/the-united-states-announces-assistance-to-combat-the-novel-coronavirus/

    This week the State Department has facilitated the transportation of nearly 17.8 tons of donated medical supplies to the Chinese people, including masks, gowns, gauze, respirators, and other vital materials. These donations are a testament to the generosity of the American people.

    I also read that up to 300 million masks in the US are being sold to foreign buyers daily. That doesn’t say much for free market capitalism does it?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2020/03/30/i-spent-a-day-in-the-coronavirus-driven-feeding-frenzy-of-n95-mask-sellers-and-buyers-and-this-is-what-i-learned/#67e73a5856d4

    What is this dudes Unz handle?

  375. Trinity says:
    @Rurik

    haha. You could probably fill up a few pages with the lies they have told the American public. I had forgotten about some of those whoppers you listed in your previous post. Wow, that was an impressive list and all lies indeed. So why on earth would anyone believe they aren’t lying now? smdh and lol.

  376. swamped says:

    “At this stage, no one can easily predict how many Americans may die from the Coronavirus by early summer”…so no one can predict how many might have been saved. ‘Lockdowns’, such as they are, would be tried anyway, as a measure of desperation and helplessness, Santa Clara or no Santa Clara. But if a million lives all across the vast USA were saved by little Santa Clara County then more power (& glory)to you:IF! However that’s still about the same number as the number of abortions every year in this country. About 3,000 abortions a day on average in the U.S. & 125,000 abortions a day worldwide according to WHO estimates. That’s 40-5o million per year; over 10 million already this year. Will Santa Clara save them?

  377. @utu

    Even the people in Japan know the government was suppressing deaths for the sake of the 2020 summer Olympics….don’t be naive.

  378. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Hibernian

    Sometimes, depending on the scenario, but admittedly not as often as the flu because I am not sharing needles with HIV patients or having sex with them.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  379. bjondo says:

    Couldn’t find much info about the 61 dead Italian drs.

    How soon after testing positive … for something? Ten minutes? Six weeks?

    Death direct result of Ft Det 19; simply during outbreak; positive but other disease?

    Did any ride Vespa into a tree after testing positive?

    Owed money to the mafia?

    Tested positive but died from exhaustion nonstop treating others?

    5 dancing shlomos

    • Replies: @kgbgb
  380. Corvinus says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    “Actually, Vox turned down my submission.”

    Sure, Secret King.

    “I guess he must have turned yours down as well!”

    It was the other way around. I prefer more reputable companies.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
  381. Bill Daly says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    No, please leave the schools closed for as long as possible. It will give some children and parents a chance to regain some commonsense, as Malcolm Muggridge suggested a few decades ago. Actually, Muggeridge also suggested closing the universities and the media and for 5 years with that objective in mind.

    Here in New Zealand I presently see families out for walks which is otherwise very rare, and there is a wonderful quietness about the place, and also greater friendliness.

  382. Here’s the endgame from one of Bernie’s health care policy wizards:

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  383. @Corvinus

    Sure. We believe you!

    Your secret is safe with us.

  384. Huskynut says:
    @A123

    Yeah it is a relatively big request, explaining the context may clarify.
    Ron as I see has two co-mingled roles:
    1. As author of any number of excellent articles
    2. As software developer and host of the website
    In the first role, Ron’s typical output involves researching a topic deeply and presenting insights from a variety of compelling sources. That also typically involves investigating the counter narratives and presenting their merits where relevant.
    Covid is a current and emerging topic, with content evolving daily. Ron’s usual methods of historical analysis are simply not possible on this topic at this time.
    An alternative method of rational scrutiny might be to utilise the current platform and its participants to facilitate some form of crowd-sourced critique.
    I would argue that Ron’s longer historical pieces demonstrate that in-depth subject knowledge is not a pre-requisite to informed participation in discussing even complex political or scientific topics. I’d go further and argue that contrarians willing to participate in informed discussion whilst making their source material visible and subject to open critique is typically far more productive than deferring to specialists who are unable to communicate their subject in terms accessible to an informed and critical mind. It certainly removes the BS via “Wizard of Oz” factor.
    I have no position on Ron’s formula – it may be accurate and predictive within fixed boundaries (exponential growth forever is clearly impossible, so an upper boundary exists by definition).
    To my mind, the question of the extent of causality vs correlation is critical in assessing the usefulness of any mathematical model in predicting future events.
    Hence my question to Ron – is it possible (or worthwhile) to use/extend the platform to facilitate discussion around key threads, such that each genuinely interested participant is able to immediately see what other points (and narratives) drawn on by others?
    If so, it would be making a valuable contribution to facilitating debate and extending understanding.
    And yes, I do understand that scientific journals exist for precisely that purpose. My observation would be that they have their merits and also their dismerits – in that they are narrowly focused on the scientific context and must therefore neglect political and economic context.

  385. Huskynut says:
    @Cyrano

    “The only conclusion that I can come up with is that the Chinese had intimate knowledge of the Corona virus.”
    I disagree. I think the Chinese rapidly came to the conclusion they were under a bio-attack and acted from an abundance of caution.
    Regardless of whether it was, if that were believed, then their actions were clearly proportionate and positively intentioned.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  386. Miro23 says:

    On the one hand you have a stock market crunch WITHOUT a pandemic (1929), and on the other hand you have a stock market crunch WITH a pandemic (2020).

    Wall St. welcomes the WITH pandemic version since it can dump its overpriced stock, blame the medical crisis – and the government bails out the hardest hit sectors ($ 2 trillion virus Rescue Plan).

    Equals a blameless exit from the market, reduced social unrest and more government debt – so a useful “pandemic”. Note that it’s their own pet MSM whipping up the coronavirus hysteria. Also, they can heroically get back into the market at much lower prices on the back of that Rescue Plan.

    The bill is largely a win for the retail, hotel and restaurant industries that initially viewed lawmakers as favoring the airline industry. Trade groups representing those sectors lobbied Congress hard for loans, grants and unemployment assistance because their businesses have also suffered coronavirus-related revenue losses.

    “We see it as an important win,” said Austen Jensen of the Retail Industry Leaders Association. “Yes, airlines are in a tough spot, but the retail industry is equally in a difficult position.”
    Bloomberg

    I’ve said it before, but the US public is being hopelessly looted/indebted by its 0,1%

  387. mike99588 says:
    @Daniel Rich

    I’m locked down in the Philippines right now in a nice subdivision with big houses over 4000 SF. Temperatures are 30s in the shade. Nice weather day after day. A bordering subdivision, several blocks over has 5 check points to get through it after at least 1-2 deaths. 30C is not a magic bullet.

  388. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    My guess is that some of the hoaxers will soon admit they were mistaken, while the others will just begin to claim that absolutely all death statistics and other information about the outbreak is entirely fictional…

    Or variants. Someone I know spent weeks insisting that Covid was genetically engineered to attack ethnic Chinese. Now he says Covid is a scare orchestrated to establish marshall law, or some such thing. Whatever happens, there will be a self-serving theory.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  389. Spanky says:
    @Alexander Turok

    Finally, the most pressing concern of every “middle class” American laid bare…

    How else to explain public support for Wall Street depredations? Call it the “wealth effect” (market bubbles) cause it reassures and lulles otherwise smart people into cheering for a ponzi picking their pockets (inflation) then pulls the chair out from under them when the music stops (market crash).

    One can’t argue with the effectiveness of the empire’s propaganda and economic agenda — it’s got the debt and wage slaves begging, demanding, to be returned to their salt mines posthaste. Pity, it’s an opportunity lost.

  390. @hetro

    You’re right, and it’s astonishing to me how ready everyone has been to scare themselves and each other into hiding, letting governments conduct a practice run on shutting everything down when things get uncomfortable.

    Over what? A few-thousand deaths, with however many thousands more to come, the majority over 60 and infirm. And yet the media are as always obscuring the facts with their usual casuistry. They’re cherry-picking cases of twenty- or thirty-somethings dying of it which is infinitesimally rare to give everyone the impression that they too are at risk, and therefore most obey the media and social media edict of #stayhome.

    The Moscow Times, a very weak liberal news org over here, put out an article with the headline: Most of Moscow’s New Coronavirus Patients Younger than 40. The caption under the predictable photo of a guy in a biohazard suit reads: “Moscow’s coronavirus crisis center said that 45% of patients in serious condition are younger than 60 years old.”

    Notice the shifted goalposts. As I speculate somewhere —

    “People will not read this as “most of the new patients”, with the ratio clearly in mind. In this article, they deliberately avoid giving the total ratio, focusing only on new patients to give the illusion that it’s “mostly younger people”.
    The caption under the photo reads: “Moscow’s coronavirus crisis center said that 45% of patients in serious condition are younger than 60 years old.”
    Notice first the changed goalpost: the headline says 40, but this says 60 so that they can hit the reader with “45%”.
    That means 55% are still over 60, and that some fraction of that 45% will be in their fifties (including 60) — probably a large one, as we see in obituaries coming out of Lombardy, where a good percentage of dead were in their fifties.
    It is abundantly obvious that susceptibility is an upside-down pyramid, as one would expect, and precisely as it is with other such infections: frequency increases with age. This does not rule out correlation with infirmity in all age groups, or genetic, social, and other / unknown factors, but it is *the rule*.
    So, why are the media pushing this narrative that everyone is “equally” susceptible? are they trying to protect babushka or scare everyone? and what, psychologically, would their motive be in the latter?”

    Oh well. I guess they don’t want eight-billion paeans keeping the global elite’s portfolios healthy after all. Can’t wait til the next year, since our masters have now completely ruled out natural selection and herd immunity as a strategy for dealing with virii, as has been routine forever.

  391. Alfred says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    Almost all these “Italian doctors” are retired and had nothing to do with treating patients of this virus. Many of them were psychiatrists and suchlike. This is a total lie.

    Doctors are human and some die every day. That is normal.

    • Agree: kgbgb
  392. I live in Palo Alto, and every now and then I see a squirrel wander into the middle of a street, then remain frozen in fear as an approaching car bears down upon him. Almost invariably, the squirrel leaps away to the nearby pavement at the last moment, saving its life. But occasionally I have noticed the remains of a youthful squirrel who did not react in time.

    You live in Palo Alto.

    Anyway, there’s a much more obvious lesson there. Instead of expecting the state to clamp down on the people to counteract “natural” selection (allowing for cars here), why not just let the chips fall where they may, as they do every fucking year with all the other coronaviridae? I and mine have to be kept in home quarantine because boomers and the elderly are at vastly greater risk of complications from infection than we are? and no one in public positions will do me the courtesy of just admitting it?

    But what am I thinking; modern dogma is totally anti-Darwinian, and the state of affairs is completely emblematic of how backward it all is. The reason they’re forcing us to stay home is essentially the same reason they won’t ‘fess up to black crime or the Holocaust myth and are forcing immigrants and trannies on us: the masters are as cowardly as their servants.

    Everyone is afraid of dying so everyone has to hide indoors until — what? This isn’t how it works. You let virii stabilize in a population and accept the annual losses, not put it off to next year by isolating everyone.

    I just checked out Cochran’s blog to see what he thinks. I’m not sure why I expected better, as he too is old:

    “Various people are arguing that we should let Wuflu rip ( for the economy !), eschewing strategies that would likely get it under control at fairly high economic cost. This would ending up causing the death of a lot of people’s parents and it’s at least possible that some wouldn’t understand and accept that it was all for the greater good. Some people are just soreheads, impossible to please.”

    Elsewhere he belabors the difference between frequency of infection and frequency of complications, as if the same isn’t true of the flu or pneumonia.

    What we have here, at least in one respect, is a bunch of older people in government, entertainment, finance, academia, high society, etc., getting really scared and conspiring to shut everything down to keep themselves safe from a new virus that kicks the shit out of them.

    In another respect, it’s the emotional contagion of alarmism, as someone else here noted — people love scaring themselves and each other, and it gives them something important to talk about. And then, of course, you have the signalling aspect — white people wasted no time making it into a trend on social media, so you’d better be hip and stay home like we cool people! Lastly, people are worried about their parents and grandparents; understandable, but I’m sorry, not a reason to bring the world economy to a halt. And please no moralism about “reconnecting”.

    One positive aspect, to be totally cynical, is that this bullshit has pushed us further along the path to everyday totalitarianism. We were headed there anyhow, why not let this be the hair that broke the camel’s back.

    • Replies: @hetro
  393. @Anonymous

    Go check out recent interviews of Bill Gates. His face is lit up like a Christmas Tree! He could barely contain himself in a couple interviews I saw.

    He’s bragging up a storm about how he called this years ago. Makes it easy to “make the call” when you are part of the cabal creating this crisis. He’s just interested in all the data collected on the “reactions” by the masses.

    Disgusting man. He then calls for more time in lock down for the masses. Easy for him, since he knew this was going to happen and he has billions to buffer himself.

    People should be more worried about what these Globalist freaks intentions are (including the potential depression you describe) more than the virus

    • Agree: Trinity
    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  394. @Wielgus

    It is basically funded by the CIA.

    I find it shocking so many take it seriously, but they also take Alex Jones seriously. So………

    And there are also those that hates China for whatever reason, epoch times is a convenient tool for them.

    You can use it as a metric, anyone who uses them as a source you can instantly dismiss. No need to waste time on their garbage.

    • Replies: @alchemist
  395. @Change that Matters

    Privatizing profits.

    Socializing risks.

    I can understand where she comes from after the 2 trillion bail out.

    2,000,000,000,000

    That is the new reality.

  396. Alfred says:
    @Sean

    a 19 year old with no known disease died in the UK the other day of COVID-19 and he was an Italian

    Stalin reputedly said that the death of one person is a tragedy but that of a million a statistic. I am sure the Daily Mail and Daily Express made a lot of money out of that story.

    When I left my expensive English boarding school in 1968, parents gave several of my school mates new sports cars. Within a few months, a large proportion of them were killed in accidents. Others killed pedestrians. But we made no big deal of it. Every succeeding year, another cohort of boys were given brand new sports cars. I was lucky because my parents gave me nothing. 🙂

    The headmaster gave all school leavers a lecture and mentioned this statistic and implored us not to follow our predecessors.

    Now, I am amazed at how young people have become afraid of death. They are the zombie generation IMHO.

    ‘Very healthy’ Italian chef, 19, living in London dies ‘from coronavirus after doctor told him he was young, strong and had no need to worry’

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Pindos
    , @Trinity
  397. Alfred says:
    @Gzibordi

    I like Ron, but he is wrong

    I also like Ron. But I suspect that he knows that he is wrong. 🙁

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @DaveE
    , @Truth
  398. Levtraro says:
    @Anonymous

    Sure, it’s just talking in a certain way, but your problem is that explaining rhetorical tricks is not enough to make your case, you have to deal with the scientific calculations. I am starting to suspect that you are not able to examine the scientific calculations.

  399. Anonymous[197] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rooster1

    with 3,711 passengers who were mostly elderly

    The crew on these types of ships is huge (30%+). Most of them are young and live in cramped conditions.

  400. Anonymous[246] • Disclaimer says:
    @vot tak

    Kenneth Roth, executive director of ‘Human Rights Watch,’ declared: “In typical Chinese Communist Party fashion, Beijing confines 35 million people rather than pursuing the transparent and targeted approach to the Wuhan coronavirus that public health and human rights require.”

    Typical globalist political commissar. I wonder what he’s saying now, from a likely self-imposed “confinement”.

  401. Unz Fan says:

    So many countries on ‘lockdown’, with so many varying interests. The one connection is the WHO, of whom the biggest non state funder is Bill Gates.

    From the article below:
    As Foreign Affairs noted, “few policy initiatives or normative standards set by the World Health Organization are announced before they have been casually, unofficially vetted by Gates Foundation staff.”

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/faux-generosity-how-bill-gates-bought-his-power-and-influence/263208/

    https://id2020.org/digital-identity

  402. Antares says:
    @Robert Dolan

    and started panicking. Which, if you’ve ever been around Asians, is a standard behavior. They are a completely neurotic race. They are obsessed with these thermometer guns and use them nonstop, all winter long.

    And half of them wear masks even in the summer time.

    This corresponds with my observations in China.

    the media is promoting it because it is scandalous (and they think it will hurt Donald Trump)

    The news is a commercial product with a political message.

    The funny thing about news it that we as humans process it in the same way as a message from a villager that we have known for our whole life time, and trust it likewise, thanks to how our brains are wired. That villager would however face repercussions if the message turned out to be a lie.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  403. Yevardian says:

    Regular influenza kills between 300-650k people around the globe every year. So far CV19 has taken a toll of barely 40K in roughly a third of year, practically of whom have been elderly or with pre-existing conditions, usually both. Forgive me, but I’m still extremely doubtful that this latest Flu strain warrants such a hysterical response.

  404. Palo Alto opens 5G-enabled hospital for veterans amid coronavirus crisis

    “The Veterans Administration’s (VA) Palo Alto Health Care System has announced the launch of the nation’s first 5G-enabled hospital, also among the first in the world, which just so happens to coincide with the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) global pandemic.

    Director and Army Veteran Thomas J. Fitzgerald III said in a recent statement that the VA Palo Alto Health Care System is the first VA hospital to be equipped with 5G, joining a few other non-VA hospitals in the United States that have similarly launched 5G capability.”

    Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters of MKUltra fame originated from the Veterans Hospital in Palo Alto. Now as Santa Clara county becomes a Plandemic hotspot we find out that they have implemented 5G at the Veterans Hospital. Funny how Wuhan was also the first city in China to go live with 5g. This “government employee” is far more likely to a part of the cause of the death of millions of Americans than their salvation.

  405. Antares says:
    @TomSchmidt

    Good thing to compare the numbers, some help with the numbers from NL:

    Herd immunity Dutchmen are at 50, 3.5x worse than Sweden.

    The spike in Noord-Brabant (NL) is contributed to the recent carnaval (mardi gras). A woman from one of the affected villages spoke about this on the Dutch radio (BNR) last week. It is limited to a very small area.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  406. and no one in public positions will do me the courtesy of just admitting it

    Someone proved me wrong — no less than the Director of the CDC:

    One of the [pieces of] information that we have pretty much confirmed now is that a significant number of individuals that are infected actually remain asymptomatic. That may be as many as 25%. That’s important, because now you have individuals that may not have any symptoms that can contribute to transmission, and we have learned that in fact they do contribute to transmission.

    At the end of the day, most of us who get this infection will recover. The majority of people do — probably 98%, almost 98.5%, 99% recover. The challenge is the older, the vulnerable, the elderly, those with significant medical conditions where this virus has shown a propensity to have a significant mortality.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/31/824155179/cdc-director-on-models-for-the-months-to-come-this-virus-is-going-to-be-with-us

    • Thanks: hetro
    • Replies: @TheTrumanShow
  407. Wielgus says:
    @Antares

    I remember a photo taken in China of a street scene in the 1960s, probably in Beijing. A woman was wearing a white face mask.

  408. skrik says:
    @Twodees Partain

    are you shilling for a particular client?

    Oh, no you don’t, kindly take your ad hominem fallacy and stick it. My posts are a) what I have accepted as facts [no, not what I believe, since I don’t do ‘belief’] and/or b) valid opinions based on such facts. Although you are unlikely to admit to your motive, to attack me/my post marks you as a ‘black hat.’ rgds

  409. @Ron Unz

    If there’s no accurate or reliable test for the Coronavirus /COVID-19 , how do they know that these doctors died from it?

    • Replies: @Maiasta
  410. Anonymous[384] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Another empty post by Corvy. Well, not empty, but empty of substance. It is full of indirect ad hominem and cattiness which seems to be his only methods of argument.

    I never called you a Jew. Calling me an anti semite. Another indirect ad hominem.

    Vox Day was correct in kicking you out. Do you not NOTICE: You are poison to any conversation.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  411. DaveE says:
    @Alfred

    I’m beginning to suspect that Ron got the order from Zion Central Command to “fall in line”. I couldn’t find the link – it appears to have been “scrubbed” – but I recall a comment made by Noam Chomsky, years ago, to the effect of:

    “The Israelis have a long history of appearing to switch sides, last minute, to avoid being blamed.”

    • Replies: @DaveE
  412. Robjil says:

    It is all about the Benjamins

    Benjamin is sick.

    Our rulers did WWI, WWII and now WWIII since 9 11

    Millions died in these fabricated wars

    Most of those millions who died were not loved by our rulers

    Do you think our rulers are really worried about the underlings of the world?

    Underlings being sick is not their worry at all.

    Benjamin is very sick. That is their worry.

    The virus real or created to spread is the patsy for Benjamin being sick.

    What will Benjamin look like when this virus ends?

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
    • Replies: @TheTrumanShow
  413. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    “It is full of indirect ad hominem and cattiness which seems to be his only methods of argument.”

    Actually, I employ a wide range of arguments. You choose not to NOTICE.

    “I never called you a Jew. Calling me an anti semite. Another indirect ad hominem.”

    There is no such thing as being an anti-semite, at least that’s what some commenters here say.

    “Vox Day was correct in kicking you out.”

    So under what name was I allegedly kicked out under?

  414. DaveE says:
    @DaveE

    I meant to add that I’m not blaming Mr. Unz. Fear of assassination and / or torture has a “funny” way of making people change their opinions, particularly on topics that Zion finds problematic.

    • LOL: Ron Unz
  415. Hibernian says:
    @The Scalpel

    but admittedly not as often as the flu because I am not sharing needles with HIV patients or having sex with them.

    And whether or not someone is HIV positive is not relevant to their diagnosis and treatment, only to your safety? I’m not sure how expensive HIV tests are or what the turnaround time is, but the armed services, at least when I was in one of them, tested for HIV massively.

    • Replies: @The Scalpel
  416. P.D. Mangan, 65, meat-only diet, opposing the “stay inside and be afraid” dogma:

    At least one boomer not arguing from pusillanimous self-interest.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  417. @Ron Unz

    Here’s an idea you might like Ron. In my country a 40 ish Member of Parliament of my acquaintance is considering a call for volunteers in the 28 to 42 age range approx. who would agree to be infected with Covid 19 so they could form a presumably immune cohort in the workforce. Obviously they would want thorough medical checking to establish low risk and, as well, guarantees of the highest grade hospital care if needed.
    He is hoping to be able to volunteer himself to absolve him from accusations of, let’s call it “draft dodging” of the Bush, Clinton and Trump kind.

    In the US wouldn’t it be a great chance for those young female Democrat Congresswomen to win admiration and acclaim. You might suggest it to them!

  418. How is it rapper Dr Creep was rapping about the CV19 2020 PLANdemonic in 1996 ?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=50&v=zvafgF1PjS8&feature=emb_logo

    • Replies: @Spanky
    , @Brás Cubas
  419. @Alfred

    the economie is an spider web where the exponentials are many times more complex than the virus,beyond the comprehentsion not of Ron but of Kepler,stop it in its track is destroying web,and we are the only fools that has ever do that.
    in 1918 europe deal with ww1 and spanish flu(a real killer)and they did not shot down the economy.
    Same exponential math can be used to show that with virus is always to late

  420. @Alfred

    Yet ANOTHER armchair noob volunteers to clean the ICUs of infected coronavirus patients, w/without the appropriate PPE!

    Do his parents know?

    • LOL: Spanky
  421. @NoseytheDuke

    Thanks Duke. I could not remember her name and as well could not even be bothered looking it up. I am really nonchalant huh ??

    America needs its heroes even if they are fake. My experience is that those who truly are, shun the limelight and consider their deeds nothing more than their duty. Those who shit their pants when a cockroach runs across their feet are the ones who get touted and are only too eager to accept hero status. Human nature I guess ~

    • Replies: @Rurik
  422. @freedom-cat

    Bill Gates is a satanist and one of the creators of the coronavirus scam, which is a strain of flu, but he wants to kill a couple hundred million people or so, if their was any justice in this world he would be on trial for terrorism.

    • Replies: @freedom-cat
  423. @onebornfree

    OBF- You said there is nothing going on, no ambulances racing etc. Is this really so >

    I hear tales of ambulances racing about with sirens blaring and responding to serious emergencies ie speeding to the donut store, to cop a bunch of fresh donuts and a brew. Also reports of emergency vehicles parked down an alley with the crews chatting and eating.

    Strangely enough in a City where sirens are such a part of the environment that one does not hear them anymore, there are now no sirens to be heard. Very strange indeed !!??

  424. HZ says:

    I was initially with your position Ron but I’ve swifted towards the ‘it’s just a flu’ mode. It appears like the econmic consequences will be far worse than what the virus might have done. Time will verify but I would prefer if my country lifted the quarantine. Young people who aren’t fat won’t die from it anyway, being unemployeed on the other hand..

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  425. Alfred says:
    @Sean

    Here is an antidote to the article by the Daily Mail about a 19 year old Italian chef dying in London.

    The publication is “thelocal.it”. I suspect it does not belong to Mr Murdoch and his friends. The Daily Mail is owned by DMG Media – which used to be called Associate Newspapers. It will never contradict the BBC so it may be considered to be a government organ.

    Italian 101-year-old leaves hospital after recovering from coronavirus

    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
    , @Sean
  426. @onebornfree

    No doubt Trumpenstein is turning out to be a key player in this whole scam, yet every “Christian” or “conservative” still singing this ass hats praises. Un-freakin’-real!

    • Agree: Meimou
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  427. Spanky says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    So, are you implying this black rapper is psychic?

    Or that super-secret satanist, illuminati, jewish global elite conspiracists brought a poor ghetto hood-rat into their fold and entrusted him encoding and publicizing their plans, in verse, for a coronavirus pandemic some twenty odd years down the road?

    Do you understand how this sounds… to sane people.

    • LOL: Ron Unz
  428. hetro says:
    @Marshall Lentini

    Plus the question of how unhealthy being locked-down is, as with preventing herd immunity. Staying indoors generally is not healthy activity for anybody. Couple of days back in Spain I think two kids playing soccer in their back yard brought the cops down on the household. Elsewhere hikers on empty trails busted. France, fines if you don’t have gov’t permission to be outside. These are hysterical over-reactions from the righteous for a rule, no exceptions. I’m very old and about to kick off anyway, and I do not agree that the elderly should be singled out for protection at the expense of economic and social ruin for the rest of the population. If not stupidity, the brazen nature of the solution suggests something else is going on–as with in the US (for starters) covering all the trillions going to Wall Street. Another attempt to get rid of Trump may also be in the mix (not that I’m a fan of his).

    • Thanks: Marshall Lentini
  429. Truth says:
    @Alfred

    …They have pictures.

  430. @Antares

    Whats the reaction amongst the Dutch population to the different tack? I admired how the Dutch PM leveled with people about what was coming and what they were doing, which I suspect was the same approach in Norway, which did choose to lock down.

    That kind of honesty is a distant dream here.

    thanks for your input.

    • Replies: @Antares
  431. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfred

    They push the anomalous cases to show that anybody anywhere can fall victim to this killer virus. But what do we really know about this particular person? Was he a heavy smoker? Did he vape? Use drugs? Supposedly healthy young people often die unexpectedly on a playing field after exerting themselves, revealing an undiagnosed underlying condition. Can’t always tell what the real facts are.

    • Agree: Maiasta
  432. @onebornfree

    What amazes me is that the same people who regard the entire Coronavirus as the invention of some kind of ‘vast Jewish conspiracy,’ are simultaneously wailing and bemoaning any possible damage to the fabled ‘economy’ and the temporary loss of their 15 sheckles, in a steroeotypically Jewish fashion. If you’re really ok with killing my parents and aunts and uncles in cold blood, with literally causing millions of deaths, over two months’ lost wages, you are the utter lowest possible denominator of subhuman scum.

    Yes, economic damage can occasionally cause suicide. The 2008 depression caused an increase in the suicide rate of working age individuals by about 3% (https://www.everydayhealth.com/depression/2008-recession-linked-to-thousands-of-suicides-study-finds-2226.aspx). The US had about 35,000 suicides per year at that point, so even assuming 100% were working age (the actual number is obviously lower), that would be an increase of ~1000.

    So the US, EVEN WITH strict preventative measures, has already seen *3 times* as many COVID-19 deaths as plausible suicide deaths. In the “business as usual” approach favored by just-the-flu types, deaths would conservatively be (.7 infection rate)x(320 m people)x(.01 death rate) = 2.2 million people. The observed death rate has been far higher than this 1% figure.

    Also, the guy you posted is laughably clueless about economic theory. He claims the economy will crash becuase no one is spending money, then literally two sentences later, claims the 1200$ stimulus will cause “inflation.” Even goldbugs aren’t usually that stupid.

    • Agree: Spanky
    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  433. Rurik says:
    @Desert Fox

    Agree, the book The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed documents that the zionists have been in control for several generations, this book can be had on amazon.com and is one of the most important books I have ever read.

    I recall (the inimitable) Jacques Sheete touting that book, and have read excerpts here on Unz.

    But I’ll betray something of my own moral cowardice to you, because at some point, I really am loath to know more about their eternal malevolent scheming. And their netherworld, infinite hatred for my kind.

    I wonder if at times I get too saturated with it, and forget to enjoy the ineffable pleasures of life, because just when it think I’ve glimmered the depths of their dark psychosis, am repulsed by something even more depraved. Sometimes I just want to listen to the birdsong, and forget there are so many sinister people around. If I immerse myself in The Controversy of Zion, will I end up like Nietzsche’s ‘fighter of monsters’?

    Sometimes I think I know enough about them already. (enough to last me a thousand lifetimes).

    Thanks Desert Fox

  434. Maiasta says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    If there’s no accurate or reliable test for the Coronavirus /COVID-19 , how do they know that these doctors died from it?

    Yeah, they don’t, obviously. They’re using surrogate tests and a set of primarily heuristic methods to estimate the numbers. And it shows in the results. As Peter Hitchens points out, there’s zero relation between the containment measures employed by the different countries and the specific outcomes (which appear to be essentially random).

    Additionally, since most diseases are multifactorial, how are they untangling the different contributions to mortality? 98% of Italian fatalities had comorbidities. In this context, to ignore the impact of northern Italy’s air pollution (the worst in Europe) in respiratory-related deaths is to be grossly negligent and outright unscientific.

    It boggles the mind that so many otherwise intelligent people are falling for this claptrap.

  435. Rurik says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Those pesky American plebes still think that they have a Bill of Rights and are armed to the teeth because of it. Unlike the British, Australians and New Zealanders they are still unlikely to give them up easily.

    Here, here!

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  436. geokat62 says:

    Ramzpaul created this video to remind red blooded Americans that Lockdowns are for prisoners:

    Description:

    The governor of Virginia extends the lockdown until June. The mayor of Washington DC threatens to jail anyone who violates her lockdown decree.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  437. @Alfred

    The mainstream media “all the LIES that are fit to print”, the Coronavirus stories are all government propaganda ,if people are getting their news from the mainstream media they are sadly misinformed .

  438. alchemist says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    One must differentiate between China and the CCP, China is not the problem but the CCP is. It’s unwise to dismiss secret documents smuggled out by well meaning chinese citizens to alert the outside world and regard such documents as fabrication by the CIA.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  439. Rurik says:
    @The Grim Joker

    America needs its heroes even if they are fake. My experience is that those who truly are, shun the limelight and consider their deeds nothing more than their duty

    they tried to turn her into a Hollywood celebrity type of real-life ‘Wonder Woman’, kicking terrorist’s arses for breakfast!

    what a recruiting tool she could have been!

    But instead, she went public and said the whole account of her ‘warrior heroism’ was based entirely on lies, and that the Iraqis who were taking care of her, were doctors who had attended to her broken bones from a truck accident, and were all kind and thoughtful. The entire farce of ‘brave American solders breaking into the terrorist’s compound to rescue their fellow soldier’… was all a crock of lies.

    She, like Pat Tillman, were and are actual American heroes. Because they told the truth. Something almost incomprehensible in America today.

    Unlike those Navy SEALs who ‘killed Bin Laden’, and then wrote books (lies) about it all, for fame and fortune.

    • Agree: 9/11 Inside job
    • Thanks: Johnny Walker Read
  440. Pindos says:
    @Alfred

    Men who wear earrings die of corona.

  441. refl says:

    Here a new interview with Dr. Ioannidis – about an hour long and certainly very balanced and informed.

    Perspectives on the Pandemic | Dr John Ioannidis of Stanford University | Interview

    • Thanks: Sean
    • Replies: @Sean
    , @hetro
  442. Trinity says:
    @Alfred

    Healthy? My gawd, that kid has a neck the size of my forearm, not that muscles mean you are healthy mind you and is that kid an EYE-talian or some kind of Middle Easterner? He doesn’t look like guido to me in any shape or form. The kid looks pretty sickly in that photo, young people can be sickly and suffer from a disease just like old farts. This kid surely isn’t the picture of health.

    • Replies: @glib
  443. Trinity says:
    @geokat62

    And in the great state of Virginia the home of so many of our past White Gentile Presidents, they seek to ban criticism of Israel. Phil Gripaldi has written about this in his latest article. So with Americans ALLEGEDLY DROPPING LIKE FLIES, we still must think about our bestest best friend in the whole wide world of sports being criticized by a bunch of college kids, “anti-Semites” and/or “Nazis” over imagining that Israel is stealing land and killing Palestinian women and children. Remember people, even in a crisis that is ALLEGEDLY killing thousands of Americans, Israel comes first, and to think otherwise would be “anti-Semitic.”

    Men like the men who founded and built this country no longer exist in America. OUR Founding Fathers are probably turning over in their graves. For the most part ( there are an exceptional few) many White men are disgustingly cowardly in America and Europe. Hey, the troof is the troof. And I am speaking as a White male.

    • Agree: Rurik, DaveE
  444. Sean says:
    @Alfred

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8058353/Worlds-new-oldest-man-111-retired-55-years-ago-cheeky-message-Majesty.html
    Bob Weighton is spry, beady, dryly funny and has better hearing than me. He pops down to Waitrose, does his own cooking, reads avidly, writes poetry, makes furniture and ornaments out of recycled materials, is well-versed in current affairs and has only recently given up his ecological column in Church News. Which, had he been 80, would be pretty good going. But Bob is 111 years old — he’ll be 112 in a few weeks. He’s the oldest man in the world

    Survived the Spanish Flu and now his 112th birthday party has been cancelled. Bob’s most memorable brush with death was not in a sports car, but an air raid. … by a Zeppelin. Bob’s been retired 55 years, here is a more recent retiree with what I think is a pointed critique but some may see as icy English condescension.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/The-evidence-on-Covid-19-is-not-as-clear-as-we-think
    As anyone who has worked with sick people will know, any testing regime that is based only in hospitals will over-estimate the virulence of an infection. […] Sir Patrick Vallance, the government’s chief scientific adviser,… . If he’s right, the headline death rate due to this virus is likely to be ten to 20 times lower, say 0.25 per cent to 0.5 per cent. That puts the Covid-19 mortality rate in the range associated with infections like flu. [S]ince September, flu has infected 38 million Americans, hospitalised 390,000 and killed 23,000.

    It certainly seems reasonable, now, that a degree of social distancing should be maintained for a while, especially for the elderly and the immune-suppressed. But when drastic measures are introduced, they should be based on clear evidence. In the case of Covid-19, the evidence is not clear.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @9/11 Inside job
  445. Truth says:
    @Spanky

    Well that’s some unusual coincidence.

  446. Cyrano says:
    @Huskynut

    Here is another theory: The reason why the Chinese responded so quickly to the Corona virus – is because the Corona virus is a totalitarian virus – it doesn’t leave you too many options. You either respond to it, or you are toast. Democratic virus will give you an option – do you want to respond or not. That’s why the western “democracies” response was so dismal, because they are not used to this kind of totalitarian viruses.

    No, all joking aside, I find it very suspicious that the Chinese had an idea what they are dealing with right away. By any logic, the responses by China and the west should have been reversed. China gets hit first, doesn’t know yet what it is, underestimates it – gets hammered. The west sees this, when they get hit, they respond proportionately – they are saved. Amazingly enough, their reactions are totally opposite of what they should have been, given the chronological sequence of how the virus attacked China first, then the west.

    • Replies: @novichuk
  447. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Well, upthread someone noticed that that according to their professional association, 61 Italian doctors had already died of Coronavirus during the current outbreak:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-government-employee-who-may-have-saved-a-million-american-lives/#comment-3806303

    If that’s the typical mortality rate for Italian doctors every flu season, their medical schools must have a hard time recruiting applicants.

    My guess is that some of the hoaxers will soon admit they were mistaken, while the others will just begin to claim that absolutely all death statistics and other information about the outbreak is entirely fictional…

    You seem to be having difficulty in handling numbers sensibly. There are, or were in 1999, 336,000 Italian Doctors, according to this report. Assuming an even age distribution, that would imply, something like 4000 deaths per year or 329 per month. So even if there have been a couple of dozen excess monthly deaths among Italian physicians due to covid19, it is hardly a holocaust.

    An enhanced risk of death due to contact with infectious patients has always been an aspect of medical life, and among the reasons why doctors and others in the healthcare profession receive widespread public respect, such respect being, presumably, one of the attractions of the job.

  448. That’s great. This also must mean that Dr. Cody is focused on stopping people dying of the flu. Where are the numbers for flu victims right now?

    Who is the individual verifying that the testing for Covid-19 is valid. Can we trust these doctors? When did the media networks begin to be worthy of being trusted again? Can we trust the World Health Organization? Who is the head of the WHO?

    Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus is from Ethiopia and affiliated with the Tigray People’s Liberation Front. The TPL is still listed as a terrorist organization. Ghebreyesus is NOT a medical doctor. He was responsible for the coverup of a cholera pandemic. The WHO was also caught creating hysteria over the SWine Flu.

    https://www.who.int/images/default-source/people/who-people/director-general/dr-tedros/hq-dr-tedros-unog-presser-07feb2018-0216.tmb-768v.jpg?sfvrsn=544ac8ad_2
    https://www.who.int/dg/biography

    • Agree: 9/11 Inside job, Alfred
  449. @Rurik

    I understand, just sitting here in Montana watching the snow come down, am glad to be here, snow and all, the world has gone crazy.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  450. If the infection was airborne Ebola with a 80 percent death rate and accompanying video, I suspect most people would make a “choice” to self quarantine, much the same way the older people I know are “chosing” to do so with enthusiasm due to this virus regardless of the coercion of the bureaucrats.

    The big disconnect here, aside from the politics clearly underlying all this, is that most people perceive they have less risk personally than Mr. Unz or the public health bureaucrats want them to believe. Interestingly, they are probably right, in spite of Mr. Unz characterization of the “inability of individuals to grasp the dynamic situation…” blah blah.

    Question is, are you a collectivist who believes all-knowing bureaucrats should use the force of government to do what is best for the “us”, or do you believe in the liberty of the individual to chose the best thing for themselves given the facts as they see them.

    Overreaching governments have killed far more people than this virus ever could. In a time of crisis do you speak for liberty or immediately join the herd being led by the likes of Cuomo, De Blasio, Trump, Biden, Boris, Xi and the Ayotollahs.

    Or, maybe you trust your good government to do what is right?

    I just bet Dr. Sarah Cody has all kinds of plans for Mr. Unz health safety after all this is over, and the way the media will spin it I bet she and the “public health” bureaucrats will be rewarded with some of that power too.

  451. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @FB

    Everybody here fully believes that the ‘white man’ invented everything…and that the ‘turd world’ has never contributed, nor led the way…just received from our culture and science…

    Thanks for your thoughtful response to my question.

    Undoubtedly Europeans did have an age of extraordinary glory during which they transformed the world and ruled nearly all of it, other than China. But yes, they stood on the shoulders of giants, Chinese, Arab, Indian, and others.

    Of course, no question about that…the elite has always despised the ‘little people’ with an utterly imperious contempt…they have never cared about the common good…only their own selfish interests…

    This it seems to me is the problem with any social system (problem for the common man, that is). Man cannot live except in society. Every society has its elite, and every elite is prone to arrogance and brutal exploitation of those without power.

    It is, however, no accident that European society liberated the people more than the common mass of mankind has ever previously been liberated. The key to that liberation was Christianity, a religion with three unique characteristics.

    First, God, in the form of a man, died voluntarily to prove the truth of his ministry. This extraordinary claim imbued Christian society with a belief in the importance and virtue of sacrifice for the common good.

    Second, the Christian god was not a vain, cruel, arrogant, and basically stupid supernatural version of an oriental despot, but a father to every human creature, however humble. That every man is a child of God was thus a huge stimulus to egalitarian ideas.

    Third, was the promise of eternal life to those who had faith.

    These were, I believe, truly causal factors in the rise of European science, wealth and power (the Christians kept the Jewish Torah as a guide to dealing with the “lesser breeds without the law”). It created conditions for fair dealing among all people, not merely those of one’s own family, class or community, and for the creation of a more or less meritocratic society.

    Now, surely no self-respecting bishop of the Anglican church would admit to a belief in the existence of God, so the whole basis of European superiority has gone. The alternatives now are Bryn, Bezos, Buffet, and Gates, and their servants in Congress versus Xi or Putin.

    At present, a case can be made that Chinese Communism is more benign that Western capitalism, but for how long. Both systems depend on ruthless top-down control based on propaganda and, as necessary, overwhelming force. Meantime, the plebes have lost their bargaining power, increasingly unnecessary in agriculture, manufacturing, administration or war, and perhaps soon entirely expendable with the advent of AI and the advancement of automation, the common folk seem destined for extinction.

    • Agree: freedom-cat
    • Replies: @freedom-cat
    , @FB
  452. Alfred says:
    @Sean

    Bob sounds a lot more worthy of life than that unfortunate 19 year old Italian chef.

  453. @Desert Fox

    I don’t know about the ‘Satanist’ part, but something is up with this guy. He just happens to be discussing how there will be a pandemic and then when it happens he is linked to the drill that was taking place and he begins making his rounds on Mainstream Media…and calling for longer quarantines, which will not ultimately hurt those with money.

  454. Antares says:
    @TomSchmidt

    Whats the reaction amongst the Dutch population to the different tack?

    Well, I don’t think that there is a reaction to the different tack.

    A little girl waved from out of the dormer and since there was no one else she could have waved to I waved in return. My town is low in the figures but the streets are very silent. We are allowed to go outside, in small numbers, but there is not much to go to. Only a few fines (€400) were handed out to people who were in too large company (over two persons). Virtually everyone abides by the rules.

  455. @CanSpeccy

    Really excellent comment! thx

  456. anastasia says:

    This article gave me a good idea for an additional stimulus of our economy when this thing is over.

    When our Nanny give us the “all clear”, and tells us we may come out of our rooms, and go to restaurants and stores again, the people may be still a little hesitant about going out.

    Maybe the people will need more than seeing dwindling numbers and receiving the All Clear from our Nanny. Maybe Nanny should have some parades and ceremonies, where they could pin medals on each other, and others, like the woman in this article – people who acted with particular bravery in our “war against the virus.”

    Maybe Ron can send around a Petition to have this young lady honored for “saving millions”. We can call her the Bureaucrat who fought the Battle that Flattened the Bulge.

    • Replies: @Marshall Lentini
  457. Puffdaddy says:
    @M_Young

    Because most Americans have chronic “lifestyle” diseases like diabetes, a big factor in Corona deaths, obesity, high blood pressure and so forth

  458. @Sean

    “But Bob is a 111 and he’ll be a 112 in a few weeks ” , it’s a lovely story but as Mark Twain is reported to have said ” If you don’t read newspapers you are uninformed , if you do read newspapers you are misinformed ” The Daily Mail is known for its “yellow journalism”, see Wikipedia/talk:Yellow journalisin , sort of like the “fear porn” and sensationalism being generated by the massmedia to scare the hell out of people ,so that they will agree to anything ,including mandatory vaccinations which will likely shorten their lives in order for Bill Gates and the Duke of Edinburgh’s population reduction goals to be reached. According to the Georgia Guidestones they are shooting to reduce the World’s population to 500,000,000 ,

  459. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Hibernian

    And whether or not someone is HIV positive is not relevant to their diagnosis and treatment, only to your safety?

    As far as HIV goes, that is more or less correct. Remember, I am an Emergency Physician. My role is to identify and treat the acute illness which could be the result of an underlying immune disorder, but is not the immune disorder itself. That workup is certainly done but in the interest of time, is left to other specialties. Patients are only in the ED for a few hours and no significant treatment of HIV occurs in that time frame. In, the ED we order that test in needle stick and sexual assault cases when we need to know if someone was exposed to HIV unknowingly. We will also usually do it if the patient suspects they might have HIV and requests the test.

  460. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @FB

    I have been reading this site for years for the insightful and independent points of view. As the site has grown more popular, I believe it is “regressing towards the mean” in terms of the intelligence of the average commenter.

    The comments to this particular article have pretty much finished off my expectations of the general comments so from now on, I suspect that I will use the “followed commenter” function much more exclusively to follow you and others who are worth following.

    Trying to provide some unbiased medical insights on this COVID-19 issue from the trenches and with 28 years of Emergency Department experience was futile. It’s all ground up and lost in the general ignorance.

    Anymore, the stupid runs deep here, and the tide of stupidity is washing over the entire site.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @FB
    , @Meimou
  461. It appears that the elites are DELIBERATELY causing a depression using a fake pandemic , Goldman Sachs is forecasting an unemployment rate of over 30% in which case there will be a real pandemic of mortgage foreclosures and personal bankruptcies . Cui bono? People like Warren Buffet who is sitting on the sidelines with mountains of cash and is waiting for “more blood in the water” before investing . Who benefited from the last crash in 2008 ?The banks which bought foreclosed properties cheap and the people on the inside who knew the ENGINEERED financial crisis was coming and either sold the market short or who sold before the crash at the market’s height and then bought after the market bottomed out. There is a deliberate plot afoot to destroy the middle class , and for large corporations to obtain more monopoly power, as smaller corporations are forced out of business or into bankruptcy.

    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
    , @bjondo
  462. novichuk says:
    @Cyrano

    You know damn well why the west failed to respond quickly. Multiculturalism. If it wasn’t for multiculturalism we would be kicking ass.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  463. JimB says:

    But an important contributing factor is surely the inability of most individuals to grasp the unusual dynamics of an exponentially-growing process. In such a situation, seemingly insignificant delays can have enormous consequences.

    It also explains why so many Americans end up old and broke.

  464. @Johnny Walker Read

    That album was released in 2013, not in 1996. For what it’s worth.

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  465. @Grahamsno(G64)

    Damn these fucking crisis actors

    Yeah.

    Kathy Griffin hospitalised with agonising coronavirus symptoms as she slams Trump’s lack of tests

    American comedian and TV star Kathy Griffin shared a picture of herself in an isolation ward room after contracting the COVID-19 coronavirus

    Kathy Griffin has slammed president Donald Trump’s lack of coronavirus testing in the United States as she confirmed she’s been hospitalised with COVID-19.


    Oops, false flag alarm.

    Kathy Griffin Diagnosed with Abdominal Infection After Condemning Trump’s Coronavirus Response

    …in a new interview with the Los Angeles Times, Griffin revealed that she does not have the deadly virus… she is recovering at home after being diagnosed with an abdominal infection

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  466. JimB says:
    @FB

    There have been literally thousands of retarded comments on this website that the whole coronavirus thing is a hoax, or that it is overhyped etc…

    Well, I couldn’t resist making a retarded comment. If the US government did nothing, modelling shows that up to two million Americans might die.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8124327/Two-million-die-coronavirus-did-social-distancing-cut-that.html

    But, as Sweden is demonstrating, even if the government doesn’t intervene, people get the hint when a deadly virus is spreading and, although they may not take extreme measures to self-isolate, they will significantly reduce social contact, avoid public transit, and spontaneously flatten the curve. And while a million deaths are a lot to endure before herd immunity takes hold, the Obama administration ignored Chinese fentanyl brought across the southern border by illegal Mexicans which killed nearly a half million people. If nothing is done to decouple us economically from China, 500,000 more Americans will die deaths of despair in the next decade because they aren’t as smart as Ron Unz and can’t survive on an Uber wage when the local factory moves to China.

    A few hundred thousand people here, a few hundred thousand people there, and before you know it the cost of globalism adds up to a holocaust.

  467. @The Scalpel

    Myself, I will use the number of refrigerated morgue trucks parked outside NYC hospitals as my anecdotal evidence

    I, on the other hand will use it as evidence of theatrics.

    Why not just drive the bodies to somewhere else that has spare morgue space? A two day drive and you can be anywhere in America. Heck, you can even fly them out on a jet.

    Why park body trucks in in the parking lot?

    • Replies: @The Scalpel
  468. Sean says:
    @refl

    Excellent. He supplies the missing piece of the puzzle. The previous two novel coronaviruses (SARS and MERS) had extremely high mortality but were not contagious by aerosol and before the people got sick, and so did not spread easily between people. On January 7th 2020, stupid and careless Chinese scientists announced the Wuhan disease (COVID-19) was not spread between people, so it was just like the previous two novel coronaviruses (SARS and MERS).

    When the Chinese found out that COVID-19 did in fact spread very easily between people and, moreover, let people be mobile while they were going about spreading it, they freaked out. Repeating their mistake of thinking COVID-19 was just like MERS and SARS, they put it out that COVID-19 had a death rate of between 5 and 15 per cent, just like SARS and MERS are known to have.

    Data from the cruise ship, Iceland and an Italian city that tested everyone indicate that the COVID-19 disease caused by SARS-CoV-2 has a death rate in the flu ballpark. However, because COVID-19 is novel far more people will get it and the very old and infirm will die of it at relatively high rates. Italy had a system that was barely able to cope with seasonal endemic flu, and a lot of smokers and old folk getting COVID-19, along with their policy of admitting everyone with it to hospital (ie not prioritising) has led to their high death rate. Most of the population of Bergamo were celebrating their team win a Champions league match on 19 February by drinking and slobbering all over one another into the early hours. Italians spend about a third of their wages on football season tickets, while Germans are taxed that amount to pay for hospitals

    Ending the lockdown for people not in vulnerable groups should be done at Easter, and will. Trump was right as he so often is. He must have an IQ of 150, and that enormous head of his from his Scottish mother gives him the scaling advantage that Geoffrey West talks about. Still this has been a useful exercise, we now have the mechanisms to cope with the real deal if and when it comes. Also, we know not to listen to anything the Chinese try and tell us.

  469. Garhett says: • Website

    I’m at a loss. I consider you (Ron) and Steve Sailer to be my brilliant guides in the statistics department. Yet, I am not clear on why you are NOT suggesting a “sampling” method of testing? I haven’t read your entire comments but I’ve been trying to keep an eye on Steve’s blog. When I need baseball stats (or any sports stats…) he da’ man. Steve was very happy that full population testing is in process for that town in Colorado. But, again, that is most likely not accurate for a nationwide measurement. Correct? I mean it is testing…but…maybe a slight example is, if I have 10 machine tool lines that run 100,000 parts apiece but only test a batch of 10,000 from machine 1…I really cannot tell you how accurate my 100,000 parts are, no?

    Is “sampling” not an accurate method for epidemics? In my very basic high school stats class (or hell, maybe it was my basic college stats), it was suggested, to get an accurate read, when high volumes are involved, “sampling” is the only reliable method. Is this only for manufacturing and quality testing?

    I think you make the point Ron…there is a overload of data but its useless. Then you explain how important it was to initiate a shelter-in-place and this doc should be lauded. How come?

    My fear is, we are already in Oceania and we were fighting Eurasia (Iraq/China/Russia…take your pick), our new enemy is Eastasia (pandemics/China/etc) while our economy was already crumbling since Sept and my normal “go to” skeptics now are fully in line with big brother? Scares me…I went you and Steve back to being skeptical…

  470. eah says:

    Excerpt:

    Should “COVID-19” be reported on the death certificate only with a confirmed test?

    COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death.

    Authorities obviously intend to inflate the COVID-19 death toll.

    Likely characteristics of the ‘post corona era’ are 1) increased social atomization, and 2) more authoritarianism and promoted reliance on government.

  471. @Anonymous

    If each bagged body takes 8 cubic feet, that’s 400 bodies in each trailer

    Wow. That’s really packing them in like sardines. That’s 30 tons of man-meat. Might be over spec.

    Seems they put 12 in a truck.

    [Labels blurred in above photo to protect privacy]

  472. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Because the bodies are being added so fast that they need the truck there. Replacements are on a schedule so there is always a truck there. This is not rocket science

    • Replies: @Rurik
  473. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Santa Clara’s Dr. Sarah has just updated her “order,” apparently in concert with other Bay Area counties.

    Ctrl-F “mask” – no result.

    https://www.sccgov.org/sites/phd/DiseaseInformation/novel-coronavirus/Pages/order-health-officer-033120.aspx

  474. Wielgus says:
    @FB

    Stalin survived a bout of smallpox in his childhood that left him with some facial scarring, mostly on his right cheek, which was usually airbrushed from photos. Inoculation against smallpox was patchy in the Tsarist Empire.

  475. Cyrano says:
    @novichuk

    My take is slightly different. The Chinese knew what they were dealing with, the west didn’t. I think that the Chinese chernobylized themselves, they were experimenting with something, the experiment got out of hand, but they understood the scope of the threat. It was probably an accident. Then, when they realized what they have done, they felt bad, that’s why they are flying planes with relief supplies all over the world, at least they are showing remorse. The west didn’t respond properly, because they didn’t want to show that they are afraid off the commie virus. Plain stupidity, is what it is. But you are right, multiculturalism is of course a contributing factor.

  476. @9/11 Inside job

    The Motley Fool : “Here’s Warren Buffett’s first move in the Coronavirus bear market”fool.com
    The ” vulture capitalists” emerge to take advantage of the “faux pandemic”

  477. Trinity says:

    Me thinks the (((Jew Flu))) is as EXAGGERATED AS THAT OTHER HOAX THAT ALL THE “RETARDS” BELIEVE IN TO THIS DAY DESPITE ALL THE EVIDENCE THAT SHOWS IT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE.

    And many of the “RETARDS” who believe in or PUSH the holocaust HOAX or the (((same people))) who pushed the 9-11 “official narrative”, WMD, Assad gassed his own people, etc., etc. Yep, you have to be a “retard” not to trust all these (((doctors))) and (((scientists))) who are about as credible as Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz. LMAO at the REAL RETARDS who think that the MUST believe anyone who claims to be a (((scientist))) or a (((doctor.))) People, I knew a cardiovascular surgeon as well as a General and he said that most doctors are crooks, no different than a shade tree mechanic gouging you for money. I don’t trust doctors named Clancy, Murphy, Stewart, MacDonald, etc., much less one named Horowitz, Goldstein, Goldberg or Shekelberg.

    Remember people, the people that didn’t believe the “official narrative” about 9-11 were “retards,” and wackos as well. LMAO.

  478. Rurik says:
    @The Scalpel

    Thank you Scalpel, for your honest and professional perspective on all of this.

    It is appreciated.

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke, Spanky
    • Thanks: The Scalpel
  479. hetro says:
    @refl

    Thanks for this link. Balanced, informed, reasonable, yes. His main emphasis is lack of data on which to make effective decisions as to what is the best policy. He also suggests that by emphasizing single specific cases of horrible deaths the media is exaggerating and sensationalizing, and adding in to the panic. Also, 60 million deaths per year on the planet. Typically, 25-60,000 deaths from influenza per year in the US. This year so far 23,o00 deaths from flu vs. the 3,000 approximately corona deaths. He also speaks of the range of severity in corona infections, and discusses how the situation in Italy has been sensationalized by concentrating on specific areas and specific members of the population there. Also, while self-isolating as precaution, he expresses concern over the economic consequences of a prolonged lockdown. Stresses unity and working together to get the data and figure it out.

    • Agree: Sean
  480. colm says:

    She might have saved Santa Clara but fucked up world economy.

  481. @Brás Cubas

    Yes I know, copy and paste error..

  482. @Spanky

    Oh I’m sorry, I’m sure you’re correct. Only thing in play here is Hanlon’s razor. How could one like you question the CDC or REAL “scientist” like Neil deGrasse Tyson.

    • Replies: @Spanky
  483. barankai says:

    This is the 1st time i think Ron Unz’s totally out of track. There’re 3 common sense arguments why there’s no Armageddon risk from C19.
    1 Empirical: There’re countries like SE or SG n more where there’s NO lockdown n they did (very) well. So lockdown is much more a govt miscarriage than a necessity.
    2 Scienitific. There isn’t a single feature of this C19 whammy which couldn’t be seriously questioned with minimal critical thinking n existing medical n epidemical experience. Plenty of renowned experts there out saying its overhyped. Also leading professional med magazines like Lancet do not confirm the hysteria about C19. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/The-evidence-on-Covid-19-is-not-as-clear-as-we-think
    3 Finally, n that’s the most important point why C19’s a big fallacy: it CAN be prevented n cured very well n the main tools known for decades. The old antimalaria med hydroxychloroquine used since the Vietnam war just not used now… but, the even more striking evidence about the cheap n extremely efficient VitC cures, known n widely applied since the 30ies n recently in Asia as well.

    (“”Coronavirus – Covid-19 – Andrew Saul Q&A Webinar 1” on youtube) n the famous Marik protocol: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/could-deadly-infections-be-cured-vitamin-c-180963843/
    Let me put it straight: C19’s been an opportunity for crony govts n Big Pharma. That’s it.

    • Agree: Maiasta
    • Replies: @Sean
  484. @Marshall Lentini

    I’m sure that you would agree that it would be a case of extreme simple-mindedness to assume that all baby Boomers think alike. Isn’t that so?

    • Agree: Marshall Lentini
  485. @Elmer's Washable School Glue

    If you’re really ok with killing my parents and aunts and uncles in cold blood

    Ya know, your aunts and uncles can simply just not leave the house for a couple of months and reemerge after the carnage has run it’s course.

  486. @Rurik

    Knowledge is indeed a burden whilst ignorance is bliss. Add to that just how much knowledge itself has been corrupted and it is depressing. Luckily I’m not the depressed type. Cheers

    • Replies: @Rurik
  487. @Desert Fox

    Montana has always been a great place to be and right now I would think it is one of the best ones to be.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  488. Art says:

    Words from the Bob Dylan song on JFK.

    [MORE]

    I’ve blood in my eye, got blood in my ear
    I’m never gonna make it to the new frontier
    Zapruder’s film I seen night before
    Seen it thirty-three times, maybe more
    It’s vile and deceitful, it’s cruel and it’s mean
    Ugliest thing that you ever have seen
    They killed him once and they killed him twice
    Killed him like a human sacrifice
    The day that they killed him, someone said to me, “Son
    The age of the Antichrist has just only begun”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=3NbQkyvbw18&feature=emb_logo

    On hearing this song, 57 years of dormant anguish welled up in me.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  489. nimo says:

    So I live out of the USA. But I called my NY doctor to review some blood work I had taken when in NY 3 weeks ago. During the course of the consultation he told me, in a cautious but emphatic way, that he was working remotely trying to fill out the paperwork to apply for the compensation from the government for his employees, but the government paperwork was so confusing and time consumng, he barely had time to see to his patients.
    He then told me this was a complete over-reaction, that almost all of his colleagues in the medical profession felt the same, that he didnt feel it more than a bad flu, and there could have been steps taken to handle this better.
    But the most interesting thing he said was that for 2-3 weeks now he as well as some of his colleagues had been trying to obtain from the relevant government and health agencies the number of those infected and dead from the normal FLU this year, in order to have a comparison. But that they were not releasing any of the figures of the normal FLU. Therefore it seemed obvious to them that the C-Virus numbers had been manipulated to include those infected and dying from the normal flu as well, and who knows what other causes.
    So Mr. UNZ, although you may be right on in many ways, there are many people who do not agree with your hero story, and complete isolation……which in my opinion will do more harm than the virus.

  490. @NoseytheDuke

    I was born here, and am thankful every day of my life for that, it snowed today but thats nothing as we have had snow here in May, tomorrow its supposed to 30 for a high, but we are only about 90 miles from Yellowstone Park, so its just par for the course.

    Thanks for your reply.

  491. @Marshall Lentini

    And you’re not worried about the “pre-crime” implications of the Director of the CDC’s statement?

    • Replies: @Marshall Lentini
  492. glib says:
    @Trinity

    I think you mean Fabio.

  493. @Rurik

    How is life treating you my brother, Rurik

    I love reading your comments, you remind me of me sometimes! Jaja

    You, Trinity and I know from past experience that the “Powers That Be” always “create a situation” that is used to reach “a desired outcome”. For instance the 9-11 attacks (situation) was planned and carried out by the PTB which then led to the Wars in the Middle East (outcome). If we look at this Coronav19 pandemic as a “situation” created to achieve a certain “outcome”, what is the outcome they want to achieve?

    People need to start looking ahead for what’s coming, because it’s not going to be good! Thanks for mentioning Jaques Sheete, I miss that fucking guy! I wish he would have used the email I posted, maybe I’ll get a surprise one day.

    Take care my brother, it looks like the desired outcome might be the separation of the American continent from the Eurasian/African land mass with Greater Israel as the center of power. The Belt and Road Initiative serving as the new global economic structure, and we are not part of that plan.

    In 1997, Zbignew Brzezinzki published The Grand Chessboard, American Primacy and it’s Geostrategic Imperatives. In his book Brzezinzki notes, Eurasia is thus the chessboard on which the struggle for global primacy continues to be played, and that struggle involves geostrategy – the strategic management of geopolitical interests. It is noteworthy that as recently as 1940 two aspirants to global power, Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin, agreed explicitly (in the secret negotiations of November of that year) that America should be excluded from Eurasia. Each realized that the injection of American power into Eurasia would preclude his ambitions regarding global domination. Each shared the assumption that Eurasia is the center of the world and that he who controls Eurasia controls the world.

    From beautiful Mexico, with love…J.G.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
    , @Rurik
  494. @alchemist

    I wouldn’t call you stupid, but you 100% deserved to be called naive.

    There is no separation of the govt and it’s people. You are very naive.

    • Replies: @alchemist
  495. Sean says:
    @barankai

    I used to take an insane amount of Vitamin C but now 200mg does me. Enzymes degrade it when you take more, so the blood concentration of ascorbate is not raised with more than 150mg.

    My experience is it it difficult to lose weight when you are happy or active. When an animal is fighting infection it appears to be depressed, becoming socially reclusive and losing interest in food reward (in lab rats they ignore sugar which they usually love).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autophagy#Xenophagy

    Cellular autophagic machinery also play an important role in innate immunity. Intracellular pathogens, such as Mycobacterium tuberculosis (the bacterium which is responsible for tuberculosis) are targeted for degradation by the same cellular machinery and regulatory mechanisms that target host mitochondria for degradation.[73] . This process generally leads to the destruction of the invasive microorganism, although some bacteria can block the maturation of phagosomes into degradative organelles called phagolysosomes.[74] Stimulation of autophagy in infected cells can help overcome this phenomenon, restoring pathogen degradation

    Limit your intake of calories and protein to switch on autophagy. Don’t lose more than a couple of pounds a week or you may greatly increase the risk of gallstone trouble. You are going to be stuck in for a while anyway so might as well use it to improve your health and increase resistance to infection. We all look like like film stars so no improvement in one’s appearance will be possible, obviously.

    • Replies: @Maiasta
  496. bjondo says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    Sack a Goldman, create a job.

    Use Buffet as fish bait. If a fish bites,
    this is his value. Otherwise, he is worthless.

    Carry a tire iron to greet any AI/robot.

    5 dancing shlomos

  497. Cyrano says:
    @J. Gutierrez

    Brzezinski was a retard. He fancied himself an intellectual. Polak and intellectual in the same sentence is an oxymoron – well ok, maybe just a moron in his case. His theory of Grand Chessboard was developed based on the equally moronic British theory of the 19th century – the Great Game. The cornerstone of this brilliant, brilliant idea was that whoever controls Afghanistan, controls Asia (you see, because Afghanistan is in the center of Asia).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Game

    Who concocts such moronic theories – a 9 year old kid who just happened to look at the map of the world? By the same logic – whoever controls Switzerland, controls Europe, whoever controls Rwanda controls Africa and so on. It’s pure idiocy. No wonder the British lost the Empire, with “ideas” like that. Afghanistan is a s**thole, it has always been, and it will always be. It’s irrelevant, no major trading routes go through it, no strategic resources, nothing. Somehow, Brzezinski managed to convince the Americans that Afghanistan is still the key. Sure. Keep on fighting over there, once you subdue Afghanistan, Asia is yours. Forget about that China is taking over the world, hold on tight on Afghanistan, because the “intellectual” Brzezinski told you so.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Peter Gent
    , @J. Gutierrez
  498. Anonymous[323] • Disclaimer says:
    @nimo

    But the most interesting thing he said was that for 2-3 weeks now he as well as some of his colleagues had been trying to obtain from the relevant government and health agencies the number of those infected and dead from the normal FLU this year, in order to have a comparison. But that they were not releasing any of the figures of the normal FLU. Therefore it seemed obvious to them that the C-Virus numbers had been manipulated to include those infected and dying from the normal flu as well, and who knows what other causes.

    It seems to be either some sort of pandemic simulation exercise on a societal scale, or part of a limited bioweapon attack on Iran and China in which the attack is concealed by the natural pandemic simulation.

  499. utu says:
    @Cyrano

    His theories were part of a bait to draw Russians to Afghanistan. And it worked. Russia took the bait and moved into Afghanistan and it was the beginning of the end of the USSR. Brzezinski succeeded.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  500. Iris says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Or may be all governments are taking seemingly extravagant precautions because they know for certain something we, the public, don’t: that they are dealing with an engineered virus that has gone loose worldwide and for which building herd immunity would be a previously unseen situation.

  501. You are really missing it here, Mr. Unz. In a major way. You are looking at this through the lens of “insouciant media” and “incompetent, timorous politicians” and “I’m a science/math guy who wants to impress you with with ad hoc modeling and tell you how you and most other folks don’t understand the concept of exponential growth.”

    You are wrong. Many basic bitch Americans understand the concept of exponential growth. I hate the media and the political, managerial/technocratic/administrative/therapeutic class in this country more than you do. However, I am sensing that there is a major area of deficiency in your knowledge, regarding disease processes, microbiology, epidemiology, etc. See my comment on your other recent thread regarding a cause of death versus a contributing factor to death. I am beginning to wonder if you have a full appreciation for just how incompetent and insouciant the media are in this country. Please also see these two articles I link below, pay particular attention to the first two videos.

    Hundreds of Americans die every week, and have been dying every week for decades and decades and decades – in hospitals, at home, or in nursing homes – that if we had swab tested for particular species of coronavirus – would have tested positive. Can the death be properly attributed to coronavirus? No. That may have been an immediate precipitating factor but the individual’s health was seriously or more often *severely* compromised to begin with.

    How on earth are you missing the real story on this?!

    https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/

    https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/28/10-more-experts-criticising-the-coronavirus-panic/

    • Replies: @John Watts
    , @utu
  502. Cyrano says:
    @utu

    Brzezinski didn’t hate the Russians because they were communists. He hated the Russians because they were Russian. That kind of motivation will get you nowhere. It didn’t do anything for Germany, no snowball chance in hell it can work for a shithole like Poland, and it’s not going to do anything for US either. It’s 1812 and 1941 all over again. Russia is the only hope that the western civilization has to save them from their own lunacy. Phoniness can never be a good recipe for saving anybody from anything.

    • Replies: @utu
  503. Alfred says:
    @The Scalpel

    Dear Scalpel,

    No need to despair. I simply skip the people who are clearly working for some outside party. I ignore their comments. I only reply to apparently well-meaning, constructive people

    • Thanks: The Scalpel
  504. This-nbc-article-doesn’t-mention-Jason-Goodman-who-filmed-the-quite-block-suurounding-Elmhust-Hospital-in-the-Bronx-where-Trump-clais-to-have-seen_all-those-bodies-in-body-bags.Are-the-dead-showing-up-on-the-governent’s-official-records?Wher-are-all-the-funerals?Have-they-all-been-cremated?
    If-only-THE-CORONAVIRUS–killed-Biden,Trump-and-Pelosi-that-might-be-worth-a-million-of-us………Or-how-about-if-it-took–out-even-Bill-Gates-and-Bezos?Now-that-would-be-a-miracle-wouldn’t-it?-OF-COURSE-NETANYAHU-WOULD-BE-WORTH-HALF-OF-US……

    Quiet Empty Hospital in Brooklyn NY Filmed by Todd Starnes …

    https://www.youtube.com/embed/128hX0_R6VU

    https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/coronavirus-deniers-take-aim-hospitals-pandemic-grows-n1172336

    Coronavirus deniers take aim at hospitals as pandemic grows

    Two videos illustrate the stark disparity in how the coronavirus outbreak is being portrayed on different parts of the internet.

    March 30, 2020, 3:53 PM CST / Updated March 31, 2020, 1:19 PM CST
    By Brandy Zadrozny and Ben Collins
    On Saturday, a video taken outside the Brooklyn Hospital Center in New York went viral, showing a quiet scene in an attempt to counter the idea that the coronavirus pandemic has strained some hospitals.

    [MORE]

    The video, taken by former Fox News commentator Todd Starnes, jump-started a conspiracy theory that resulted in a trending hashtag and millions of video views — all of which pushed the idea that the pandemic has been overblown by public health organizations and the media.

    A day later, a different video of the same hospital went viral on Facebook and Twitter. It showed bodies being loaded onto an 18-wheeler outside the same hospital. The video, which was retweeted by a member of the New York City Council, was later confirmed as legitimate by the hospital.

    The two videos illustrate the stark disparity in how the coronavirus outbreak is being portrayed on different parts of the internet, with many people on the far right going so far as to allege that overworked health care professionals are not telling the real story…….

    Starnes’ tweet — viewed 1.3 million times — was one of the first and most popular examples of the wider conspiracy theory that spread on social media over the weekend centered on the #FilmYourHospital hashtag, which called for people to go to hospitals and capture what was happening……..

    Starnes did not initially respond to requests for comment from NBC News. But after this story was published, Starnes said in an email that he has taken the coronavirus outbreak very seriously and not disputed its spread. He said the intention of his video was to “push back against the media narrative that NYC had been turned into some sort of dystopian society.”

    Full coverage of the coronavirus outbreak

    NBC News found more than a dozen videos pushing the #FilmYourHospital conspiracy. The videos were mostly recorded outside hospitals in New York City, a region shouldering the brunt of the U.S. outbreak, with more than 66,000 cases and more than 1,200 deaths. A few videos came from other states, including New Jersey, California and Ohio. Shared by far-right conservatives and conspiracy accounts across Twitter, YouTube and Facebook, the videos collectively had been viewed millions of times as of Monday.

    The #FilmYourHospital hashtag had been tweeted by more than 5,000 accounts by Monday afternoon, although some people were critical of the conspiracy theory……………..

    DeAnna Lorraine, a recently defeated California Republican congressional candidate, was among the first to use the hashtag alongside a video outside Torrance Memorial Medical Center, a hospital in Los Angeles County.

    Lorraine’s tweet ranked as the most popular in the hashtag, garnering 760,000 views, 18,000 retweets and 28,000 likes.

    Fox News contributor Sara Carter helped propel the video, quote-tweeting it to her 1 million followers. “Interesting, for sure…I’ll be watching #FilmYourHospital closely,” she tweeted, adding follow-up questions about whether Lorraine had called the hospital, which Lorraine did not answer.

    Lorraine and Carter did not respond to requests for comment. Carter deleted her tweet Monday afternoon after it had been retweeted 6,200 times.

    DeAnna Lorraine, a recently defeated California Republican congressional candidate, was among the first to use the hashtag alongside a video outside Torrance Memorial Medical Center, a hospital in Los Angeles County.

    Lorraine’s tweet ranked as the most popular in the hashtag, garnering 760,000 views, 18,000 retweets and 28,000 likes.

    Fox News contributor Sara Carter helped propel the video, quote-tweeting it to her 1 million followers. “Interesting, for sure…I’ll be watching #FilmYourHospital closely,” she tweeted, adding follow-up questions about whether Lorraine had called the hospital, which Lorraine did not answer.

    Lorraine and Carter did not respond to requests for comment. Carter deleted her tweet Monday afternoon after it had been retweeted 6,200 times.

    The #FilmYourHospital trend is just the newest citizen journalist form of a popular conspiracy theory that has followed the pandemic since January, said Joan Donovan, director of Harvard University’s Technology and Social Change Research Project.

    The conspiracy, which has carried hashtags like #dempanic and #plandemic, suggests that the Democrats and their allies are hoping that the economy will tank, that President Donald Trump will fail to contain the crisis and that their own political futures will thus be secured.

    With sourcing and context missing from nearly all of the #FilmYourHospital content, the videos are likely to add to the polluted information environment that has surrounded the outbreak so far.

    “We’re going to see all kinds of different theories and ideas about what the impact of this virus is, shrouded in circumstantial evidence,” Donovan said. “And because we can’t source many of these materials, especially on social media, it’s going to become a serious problem in the long run.”

  505. @Carlton Meyer

    Actually, if everyone just took enough D3, as well as Vitamin C and K2, this wouldn’t be a problem. Some info you can use on D3 and stopping the cytokine storm, which is the real way to save people. http://www.jefftbowles.com and https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/0418-Blaylock.pdf.

  506. @Cyrano

    Actually it may be a very large source of rare earths, which would make it very important.

  507. FB says: • Website
    @The Scalpel

    Agree, Doc…

    I watched here as you tried, as a doctor, to actually bring some bona fide knowledge and experience to the corona question here…only to be drowned out by wall to wall ignorance…

    Still, I applaud you for your efforts…you can be sure that some, perhaps many, are capable enough of separating the what from the chaff…

    • Thanks: The Scalpel
  508. FB says: • Website
    @CanSpeccy

    Man cannot live except in society. Every society has its elite, and every elite is prone to arrogance and brutal exploitation of those without power.

    Agree, of course…

    At present, a case can be made that Chinese Communism is more benign that Western capitalism, but for how long?

    Yes, a reasonable question given the history of human politics…

    Still, I believe we can only go forward if we stop pretending that we can’t learn from others…our capitalist system is perhaps the worst of the worst right now…

    Delusion runs very very deep…maybe you missed this, posted on the other thread…just last year a group of top ‘experts’ published this so-called global health security index…ranking countries in order of their supposed ‘preparedness’ to handle an epidemic…

    Us ‘ranked’ number one of course…China in 51’st place…

    So much for these ‘experts’ which consisted of the technocratic ‘cream’ of the