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Although much of my research and writing over the last three years has been devoted to the global Covid epidemic, I’ve paradoxically paid very little attention to most of the various Covid-oriented websites.

That’s because I have narrowly concentrated on the origins of the epidemic while they have focused almost entirely upon the details of the disease and the controversial public health measures adopted to control it. I’ve had only slight interest in those latter topics, and partly for that reason most of my views have been vaguely mainstream, not too different from what I have regularly read in the pages of the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, or the Economist.

However, the daily lives of billions of individuals around the world have been tremendously disrupted by these government-imposed policies, which included lockdowns, masking, and social distancing, mandates that were often tremendously unpopular and had enormous social and economic consequences. Moreover, faced with a life-and-death situation, substantial portions of the public together with some medical professionals claimed that various treatments for Covid such as the use of HCQ and IVM were safe and effective but wrongly suppressed, a position loudly attacked and denounced by the outraged medical and media establishments. These battles grew even fiercer once a massive Covid vaccination drive began at the end of 2020, with critics noting that the mRNA vaccines being employed were based upon an entirely new biotechnology and had required the use of emergency waivers to circumvent what would have otherwise been a long and cautious clinical trial process.

During this entire period, the establishment media provided nearly lockstep support to the governmental positions on all of these hugely controversial issues, and this naturally fostered the growth of what might be called the alt-Covid community, a network of websites, bloggers, and podcasters who argued that many of these official policies were completely incorrect, often based more upon propaganda than science.

One of the more prominent nodes in this dissenting ecosystem was founded in April 2020 by Toby Young, a longtime British journalist and public intellectual, conservative-leaning but generally well-regarded. He launched Lockdown Sceptics, an Internet newsletter critiquing what he considered an ill-conceived public health measure as well as other Covid-related issues. Over time, he gradually expanded and extended its coverage, also taking on board Will Jones and Noah Carl, a couple of younger Ph.D.’s, with the former eventually serving as editor. By the time the British lockdowns finally ended in July 2021, his readership and impact had expanded to the point that he decided to rechristen his publication the Daily Sceptic and keep it in operation, providing careful analysis of other public policy issues, especially those avoided or mishandled by the mainstream media, though still with a strong emphasis on Covid-related matters.

Although I might not necessarily agree with all of his webzine’s conclusions, the articles that they run seem very sober and carefully reasoned, often based upon published scientific papers or quantitative analysis, a welcome change from the wild speculation and fear-mongering found on these subjects across much of the Internet. My impression is that the website has become quite influential within alt-Covid circles, while also being taken seriously by many mainstream journalists and scientists. According to SimilarWeb, its traffic has been growing rapidly, recently reaching over 7 million pageviews and 200,000 hours of readership per month, totals that are several times larger than those of Quillette, where Young had once served as Associate Editor, and substantially greater than our own.

 

Despite its growing visibility, the website’s subject matter and British focus meant that I’d been only slightly aware it until a few weeks ago when someone brought to my attention one of its articles that had been republished on Alex Jones’ conspiratorial InfoWars website, hugely popular but hardly reliable.

To my considerable surprise, the very solidly argued 3,200 word piece by Daily Sceptic Editor Will Jones directly addressed one of the absolutely critical questions that had been scrupulously avoided for nearly three years by our entire mainstream media, an issue that podcaster Kevin Barrett had appropriately dubbed the “Smoking Gun” of the Covid epidemic.

The opening paragraph asked an obvious question.

Here’s something that’s been bugging me. How did U.S. intelligence analysts pick up on what they deemed a dangerous novel virus in China at a time when there’s no good evidence China had picked up on it or was concerned? How did they spot the signal in all the noise of a normal Chinese flu season?

After carefully analyzing all of the fragmentary and somewhat contradictory evidence, the piece closed by very courageously presenting an explosive possible answer, highlighted with a telling quote from Dr. Robert Kadlec, a senior Trump Administration official and longstanding biowarfare advocate.

There is, it should be noted, one straightforward way to explain all of this, but it’s implications are disturbing to say the least. It is that the virus was deliberately released in China by some group or groups within the U.S. intelligence and security services. The purpose of such a release would be partly to disrupt China and partly as a live exercise for pandemic preparedness – which is, as we know, how the pandemic was in practice treated by those in the U.S. biodefence network. While shocking, this is not outside the bounds of possibility. Consider what Robert Kadlec wrote in a Pentagon strategy paper in 1998.

Using biological weapons under the cover of an endemic or natural disease occurrence provides an attacker the potential for plausible denial. Biological warfare’s potential to create significant economic loss and subsequent political instability, coupled with plausible denial, exceeds the possibilities of any other human weapon.

If this were the case, it may be that the addition of the furin cleavage site to the virus would be to enhance its infectiousness in order to increase the chance of a pandemic occurring (perhaps they’d tried before with a less infectious virus and it hadn’t worked so well). The virus would be deliberately relatively mild so it didn’t do too much harm, but severe enough to have the desired impact – at least when assisted with psyops and propaganda. Very few individuals would likely know the origin – most would be part of the live exercise.

Such a scenario would neatly explain how U.S. intelligence personnel were closely ‘following the spread’ in November despite China being oblivious. It would also explain why U.S. biodefence people were far more alarmist than the Chinese authorities from the get-go; why they have denied the virus could be engineered and squashed all efforts to investigate origins (and clung to discredited theories); and why they have followed through on the whole lockdown-and-wait-for-a-vaccine biodefence plan despite the virus plainly not warranting it (and the measures not working), and generally treated the whole thing like a live exercise. It’s uncontentious to point out that the pandemic was a golden opportunity to put their long-prepared plans into practice. But what if it was an opportunity they didn’t leave to chance?

None of us wants to draw this conclusion, of course. To disprove it, at least as far as this argument is concerned, we would need to see considerably more detail about what U.S. intelligence analysts were seeing and saying in November 2019, which would explain how they knew what China did not and why they were so concerned when China was not.

Short of this, it’s hard not to wonder: what if releasing the virus in China to disrupt the country and see how the world responds could have been some hare-brained scheme cooked up in the deeper recesses of the U.S. biosecurity state?

I passed this important article along to a few friends of mine, noting that it had been Tweeted out by Young to his 240,000 followers. As it happens, one of them knew Young and introduced me, so I was soon directly in touch with the author and we began a fruitful correspondence. Not long afterwards, he published a strong follow-up piece, which concluded by noting the extremely implausible aspects of the claims made by the analysts at America’s Defense Intelligence Agency.

Thus this Harvard report, intended to show how U.S. intelligence analysts spotted the virus in November 2019 in China even though China itself had not noticed it yet, has ended up inadvertently revealing there was no signal of a respiratory viral outbreak in Wuhan at that time and thus no way that U.S. intelligence analysts could have spotted one.

Naturally, this does nothing to diminish the growing suspicions about how U.S. intelligence came to be following the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan, and only Wuhan, at a time when no one else, including the Chinese, were even aware of its existence.

America’s Brownstone Institute is another leading alt-Covid website, and it regularly cross-publishes articles with Britain’s Daily Sceptic. Perhaps prompted by the suspicions raised in one of those pieces, Editor Jeffrey A. Tucker soon produced an article on America’s Crimson Contagion exercise, run by Kadlec and held just prior to the sudden appearance of the Covid virus in Wuhan. He presented all the details and closed by noting the extremely suspicious timing.

What does it all mean? Perhaps it is all just a series of coincidental data points, that what is called the worst pandemic in 100 years came only a few months after an elaborate multi-agency trial run of the same in which former high officials of the Trump administration participated. And perhaps the best person to run the Covid response also happened to be the very person who organized and managed the trial run in the previous season.

Many people will surely say there is nothing to see here. There is so much not to see these days.

Tweeting out the article to his 137,000 followers, Tucker described it as “the most intriguing element” he’d found in three years of writing about the Covid issue:

 

Since the early days of the outbreak, a topic of very heated debate had been the source of the virus, with most of the scientific and media establishment claiming it was natural, but a strong and vocal minority arguing that it had been bioengineered, presumably leaking from the Chinese virus research lab located in Wuhan.

For most of the first year, the dissenting perspective had been harshly repressed in scientific publications and social media, even being banned from Facebook, but then in May 2021 a seminal article by former New York Times Science Editor Nicholas Wade revived it. More recently, Prof. Jeffrey Sachs, chairman of the Lancet‘s Covid Commission, has strongly argued that the virus seemed artificial and denounced what he described as a governmental cover-up aimed at suppressing that reality.

This ongoing debate took an important turn last week as Jones published another excellent article analyzing that issue, a piece that was soon republished by the Brownstone Institute and excerpted by LewRockwell. But unlike nearly all the previous writers on that subject, he focused not on the evidence for or against a lab-leak itself but instead on the crucial implications of a related matter. His analysis is sufficiently important that I will excerpt it at considerable length.

Where did the lab leak theory come from? Who first promoted the idea and why? The answer to this question is surprising – and may be the key to unlocking the mystery of the origin of COVID-19.

The first known mention of the idea that the coronavirus may have originated in a Chinese lab appeared on January 9th 2020 in a report by Radio Free Asia (RFA). This was just days after the virus had first entered public consciousness, and at the time, no deaths had yet been reported and few people were worrying about the virus – including, it seems, the Chinese, who were claiming it wasn’t even clear whether it was spreading between humans.

Seemingly unhappy about the lack of alarm, RFA ran a comment from Ren Ruihong, former head of the medical assistance department at the Chinese Red Cross, who said she was confident it was spreading between humans. She also asserted it was a “new type of mutant coronavirus”, and immediately, without pausing for breath, raised the possibility it was a result of a Chinese biological attack on Hong Kong using a virus developed in the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). Bear in mind this was before a single person had been reported as dying from the virus, and no solid evidence was presented for the claim. It is the first time the WIV and the idea of a lab origin of the virus are mentioned in the media. The report then implies the WIV is hiding its involvement – though the basis for this insinuation is tenuous, to say the least.

Over the following two weeks RFA pushed hard on the idea of a Chinese biowarfare lab origin, and its reporting was picked up by the Washington Times on January 24th, which quoted Dany Shoham, an “Israeli biological warfare expert”.

The deadly animal virus epidemic spreading globally may have originated in a Wuhan laboratory linked to China’s covert biological weapons programme, according to an Israeli biological warfare expert.

Radio Free Asia this week rebroadcast a local Wuhan television report from 2015 showing China’s most advanced virus research laboratory known [as] the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Radio Free Asia reported.

The laboratory is the only declared site in China capable of working with deadly viruses.

Dany Shoham, a former Israeli military intelligence officer who has studied Chinese biowarfare, said the institute is linked to Beijing’s covert biological weapons programme.

“Certain laboratories in the institute have probably been engaged, in terms of research and development, in Chinese [biological weapons], at least collaterally, yet not as a principal facility of the Chinese [biological weapons] alignment,” Mr. Shoham told the Washington Times.

Why did Radio Free Asia and the Washington Times introduce and promote the idea of Covid as a Chinese bioweapon? RFA appears to have done so in order to counter the Chinese lack of concern about the virus, hence the heading: “Experts Cast Doubts on Chinese Official Claims Around ‘New’ Wuhan Coronavirus.” The Washington Times report indicates at one point it is in response to rumours “circulating on the Chinese Internet claiming the virus is part of a U.S. conspiracy to spread germ weapons”, citing an unnamed “U.S. official”.

One ominous sign, said a U.S. official, is that false rumours since the outbreak began several weeks ago have begun circulating on the Chinese Internet claiming the virus is part of a U.S. conspiracy to spread germ weapons.

That could indicate China is preparing propaganda outlets to counter future charges the new virus escaped from one of Wuhan’s civilian or defence research laboratories.

Why is the report anticipating “future charges” of a lab leak – particularly when it is in the process of making such charges?

The words of the anonymous U.S. official appear to state the Chinese rumours began “several weeks ago”, right back at the beginning of January or end of December; however, oddly, the article was soon updated to delete the words “since the outbreak began several weeks ago”, for reasons that are unclear.

In any case, the really strange thing about these “rumours circulating on the Chinese Internet” is that no evidence of them has ever been produced or found. Indeed, all the places you might expect to mention them do not. For instance, in February 2021 the DFRLab of the Atlantic Council published a lengthy document in conjunction with the Associated Press summarising all the “false rumours” and “hoaxes” regarding the origins of Covid. Its large research team scoured the internet for all rumours connected with Covid origins – yet the section on China doesn’t mention anything about these alleged January rumours of U.S bioweapons.

Another example is Larry Romanoff, an activist who writes on various ‘conspiracy theories’ and who has lived in China for many years. His columns in early 2020 on the Global Research website attacking the American position were tweeted out by senior Chinese figures, but he never mentions anything about these alleged early rumours on the “Chinese Internet”, which he surely would have done.

In addition, the rumours claim has never been repeated by any intelligence sources; this was the only time it was made.

Why then did RFA introduce the lab-engineered virus narrative, even before the first death? Why was it trying to ratchet up alarm? And why did the unnamed U.S. official claim to be responding to Chinese rumours that turned out not to exist?

The plot thickens when you realise that Radio Free Asia is a U.S.-Government-funded media outlet that is essentially a CIA front, once named by the New York Times as a key part in the agency’s “worldwide propaganda network”. As Whitney Webb pointed out right back in January 2020, though RFA is no longer run directly by the CIA, it is managed by the Government-funded Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG), which answers directly to the Secretary of State – who, at the outset of the pandemic was Mike Pompeo, whose previous job was as CIA Director.

This means we can see that the Covid lab origin narrative originated with the U.S. Government’s security services, and did so very early, prior to the first death, as part of a deliberate effort to increase alarm in China and elsewhere. It was also designed to counter the anticipated claims, which had not yet been made (though the anonymous U.S. official falsely claimed they had been), that the virus was a U.S. biological attack.

That the U.S. Government would be the source of the lab origin theory is no doubt surprising to many people, given that within weeks the same theory would be dismissed by Government officials as a ‘conspiracy theory’ and forcibly suppressed. In its place, official U.S. channels would endorse the wet market natural origin theory and seek to close down further debate and investigation. So what’s going on?

Here’s one possible explanation, which makes sense of all the known facts – though is admittedly highly disturbing. It may not be correct, but I confess I cannot currently think of a better one. Perhaps someone else can.

The explanation is that the Chinese lab origin narrative was put out by U.S. intelligence in early January as a cover story. A cover story for what? For a U.S. biological attack on China. As a cover story for an attack, it serves four key purposes. First, it preempts allegations of a U.S. attack (and indeed the anonymous U.S. official falsely claimed these had already been made). Second, it anticipates the need to explain the non-natural origin of the virus, which would be expected to be discovered, as a natural origin manifests differently to a non-natural origin – a natural origin should have animal reservoirs, early genetic diversity and evidence of adaptation to humans, which are lacking for SARS-CoV-2. Third, it spreads alarm in China – one of the purposes of the attack. And fourth, it justifies the U.S. and other countries activating biodefence protocols to defend themselves from any blowback – which we know is exactly what they did, treating it as a matter of national security, not public health.

The idea that the U.S. might deliberately release a virus in China might seem far-fetched to some. However, it’s well known that the Pentagon intensified its research into bat-borne viruses in the years approaching the pandemic. Though it said this was solely for defensive purposes given the supposed risk of bats being used as “bioweapons”, scientists have previously warned, in the journal Science, that another supposedly defensive Pentagon programme, DARPA’s “Insect Allies” programme, appeared really to be aimed at creating and delivering a “new class of biological weapon” and that it revealed “an intention to develop a means of delivery of HEGAAs for offensive purposes”. In addition, the Iranian Government was so convinced that its early COVID-19 outbreak in February 2020, which killed a significant number of its senior leaders, was due to a U.S. biological attack that it lodged a formal complaint with the UN. Such allegations don’t prove anything of course. But together these concerns do suggest that such an attack is not outside the realm of possibility and should at least be considered as an explanation for the origin of the virus.

But if the lab leak was the intended cover story, why was it shortly afterwards suppressed as a ‘conspiracy theory’? It is a matter of public record that this occurred largely due to the efforts of Anthony Fauci, Jeremy Farrar and other Western scientists, who organised a scientific cover-up of evidence that might implicate their complicity in the gain-of-function research that they suspected may have created the virus. Did they know about the attack? There’s no evidence they did. Which means they would also have been in the dark about the intended cover story. Indeed, one of the conspirators, Christian Drosten, in one of the disclosed emails directly asks the group where the “conspiracy theory” of a lab origin has come from. Farrar and Fauci, for their part, appear to be genuinely exploring the origin questions in their emails (while clearly aiming for a particular answer).

The fears of this group of scientists about being implicated in the creation of the virus led them to organise a highly effective effort to dismiss and suppress the lab origin theory. This intervention greatly complexified the cover story, with the result that the output from the U.S. intelligence community (IC) became confused and inconsistent.

The official endorsement by the intelligence community in late April and early May 2020 of the wet market theory (4) would then have occurred because of a switch amongst most of the intelligence community to the narrative created and endorsed by Anthony Fauci, Jeremy Farrar etc. Those in the IC not involved in the attack (likely the vast majority) had probably figured out what was going on, i.e., the lab leak theory was a cover story put out by reckless colleagues, and would be very aware of the terrible fallout should the truth become known. Hence also the suppression around this time within the U.S. Government of all Covid origins investigations, which a senior Government official said would only “open a can of worms“.

This tension between IC elements then continued with the 2021 declassified intelligence report (5), with most of the IC claiming not to know anything, but the NCMI still believing the lab leak was the best cover story and wanting it back in play.

By the time of the October 2022 Senate report (6) the natural origin theory was clearly collapsing. This report then represents an effort by some within the intelligence community to bring back the lab leak as the cover story, while directing all attention to China and the WIV and away from the U.S.

How plausible is all this? It certainly fits the evidence, though perhaps there is another, more innocent way of explaining it all.

However, those who would like to exclude the possibility of a U.S. biological attack – and indeed, I would like to exclude this – need to answer at least two key questions:

1. Why was the U.S. concerned about and following an outbreak in Wuhan in November 2019 which all the available evidence shows was not detectable at the time? Why did the U.S. falsely claim there was a signal of a large, worrying outbreak and brief allies about it?

2. Why did U.S. security services begin spreading rumours about the virus being engineered in China at the beginning of January, even before the first death had been reported, when they had no evidence of this (at least, they have never explained how they knew it) and no one else was worried about it, and based on the false claim that rumours were already being spread in China about a U.S. bioweapon?

Let’s be honest: it’s not looking good.

 

Millions or tens of millions of people worldwide ultimately draw their Covid information from the alt-Covid community, in which both the Daily Sceptic and the Brownstone Institute are major publications, whose contents may be widely circulated.

Dr. Robert W. Malone is a towering figure in those circles and he seemed to judge this Covid origins analysis as important as I did, tweeting out the article to his 900,000 followers and getting nearly 1,400 retweets.

If the tens of millions of individuals who have been concentrating their attention on the consequences of the Covid outbreak now also begin to consider its likely origins, I believe that the existing cover-up may collapse, with potentially enormous political ramifications.

Well over a million Americans died in the epidemic and if this tragedy came to be seen as the blowback from a botched American biowarfare attack, the impact might be staggering. Such a catastrophe would be a thousand times greater than the Chernobyl nuclear disaster that helped bring down Soviet regime that ruled the USSR.

Meanwhile, I’d also recommend my own long series of articles on the subject and several of them in particular:

But for those who prefer to receive the same information presented in a different format, three of my podcast video interviews from last February have been doing very well on Rumble, picking up a total of nearly 300,000 additional views during just the last couple of weeks.

Kevin Barrett, FFWN • February 16, 2022 • 15m

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Geopolitics & Empire • February 1, 2022 • 75m

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Red Ice TV • February 3, 2022 • 130m

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  1. Just look at the microscope. Graphene. La Quinta Columna…Telegram… Why do you only read English

  2. Question: If the Chinese rumors that began in early January weren’t related to nefarious US purposes, why did they choose the Wuhan military games? Why not blame it on the around 25,000 expats that lived there at the time? (That number dropped to 800 after the lockdowns let up )
    https://zhidao.baidu.com/question/1711731086609172900.html

    The Chinese health minister recently told the locals to avoid physical contact with foreigners to avoid contracting monkey pox after all.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2022-09-18/dont-touch-foreigners-to-reduce-monkeypox-risk-says-senior-chinese-health-official

    How much did the Chinese know about what happened in December and early January? Is it possible that Radio Free Asia just picked up and changed the meaning of reports to fit their messaging? I can’t imagine the language skills of their reporters are that high, and if they’re relying on outside sources maybe the message got mixed up like a game of “telephone”. For the Chinese to choose the military games has always seemed fishy to me, almost implying an attack from the US.

    • Replies: @Daemon
  3. You know, I always dismissed the idea of unidentified flying objects piloted by extraterrestrial alien life forms. Sure, I noticed the occasional brouhaha in the hinterlands and the rantings of the talk radio rubes.

    But then, aliens landed in Palo Alto, amongst a more informed set. That prompted me to review the last 100 years of literature about flying saucers, and guess what, they are real.

    …20,000 words…

    I’m no expert, but the evidence is persuasive that they do exist and that they are sent by extraterrestrial aliens. Especially since anyone can drive over to see them where they parked at the Stanford Golf Driving Range.

    Hey, that reminds me of another suppressed truth you might not have heard of at all: my idea that Covid-19 was a bioweapon inflicted on the world by rogue American neocons. Let me remind you I had a million views on Rumble talking about that. A million. Wow. Seven digits. Not many people have had a million views. Ten to the sixth.

    …1,000 words + 3 video links…

    Almost none of the commenters on my site agree with my rogue-neocon story, but they’ll be embarrassed soon enough. I approached the alien landing site and established communication. The first thing I asked them about is their take on my American bioweapon theory. They confirm I’m right! I have an appointment with them next week to review the new evidence.

    They also confirm that illegal aliens are great and they will also provide me with studies on that. I’ll soon be on Rumble summarizing the findings. Five million views this time, for sure, finally beating out Bongino and Greenwald, woo hoo!

  4. The Peul says:

    That Ron believes Americans believing that COVID is was engineered and released by the s U.S national security apparatus will depose it is wishful thinking.

    He keeps mentioning it in almost, if not, every one of his COVID articles.

    This dream is just silly.

    JFK. 9/11. Snowden NSA whistleblowing. Public opinion hasn’t moved the needle on the misbehavior of the government in decades let alone depose it.

  5. “ZeroHedge” and “Tyler Durden” have promoting the Chinese lab leak propaganda absolutely non-stop since day one as well.

    It certainly makes you wonder who is really behind that website.

  6. mkr says:

    Well over a million people did not die from Covid-19 in the US.

    Those numbers have been manipulated by including the “with” Covid deaths into the official tally even though the person died of a different cause.

    The virus itself has a patented strand of Moderna DNA at its furin cleavage site, the part of the virus that makes it human-transmissible:

    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fviro.2022.834808/full

    Here’s Maria Bartiromo from Fox Business confronting the CEO of Moderna about the paper; he doesn’t deny it, he says that “his people are looking into”, and then immediately goes into the “it’s possible there was a lab leak in Wuhan” business:

    https://rumble.com/vvve14-modernas-ceo-stephane-bancel-interviewed-by-maria-bartiromo-on-fox-news-reg.html

    If it has a patented Moderna strain of DNA, is Moderna making money on it? It if has a patented strain of Moderna DNA should the patent be rescinded since you can’t patent something that comes from nature, such as from a natural virus that came from bats? You can’t have it both ways, either the virus is artificial and Moderna owns a chunk of it or the virus is natural and Modernas patent needs to be rescinded. Something has to happen with this patent business, if it’s swept under the rug that’s just unacceptable.

    Here’s Tucker Carlson recently interviewing Glenn Beck where Beck states that he has info that Moderna and NIAID signed a confidential agreement two weeks before the virus’ existence was publically announced where they agreed to be partners in ownership of the “vaccine” that was jointly developed by NIAID and Moderna:

    https://rumble.com/v1ntiks-glenn-beck-two-weeks-before-the-pandemic-started.html

    • Agree: Pheasant
    • Replies: @mkr
    , @mkr
  7. why they have followed through on the whole lockdown-and-wait-for-a-vaccine biodefence plan

    This never happened in the USA, though. A handful of cities had halfassed lockdowns that they barely enforced and that’s it (which is why they didn’t accomplish much). USA had almost no federal government response at all.

  8. The powers that should not be need to stop fooling with mother nature.

    How many other species are/have been hellbent on self extermination?

  9. Franz says:
    @The Peul

    Not sure of that.

    But 911, JFK, all the Inner Party shenanigans for decades have been sort of… distant.

    If I had a young kid playing baseball and he died after the clot shot, or my neighbors little girl went into cardiac arrest and it could reasonably be connected to the CV Booster? Well.

    This one is personal. I think the Security State’s hair might get more than just a little mussed.

    • Replies: @The Real World
  10. JimDandy says:

    So the intention was to fuck up China’s economy, and it never dawned on them that it was going to fuck up America’s?

    • Agree: allergic2katz
  11. If the tens of millions of individuals who have been concentrating their attention on the consequences of the Covid outbreak now also begin to consider its likely origins, I believe that the existing cover-up may collapse, with potentially enormous political ramifications.

    What exactly would an enormous political ramification look like? Please give me an example however hypothetical.

    • Thanks: Emslander
    • Replies: @Thomas Faber
  12. @The Peul

    ‘That Ron believes Americans believing that COVID is was engineered and released by the s U.S national security apparatus will depose it is wishful thinking.”

    There is some antiwar/anti NATO activism brewing at least. Don’t you think countering the rabid pro war propaganda while reminding people of the billions of tax dollars spent with no oversight might move the voters mightily?

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  13. @New Dealer

    “But then, aliens landed in Palo Alto, amongst a more informed set. That prompted me to review the last 100 years of literature about flying saucers, and guess what, they are real.”

    All I know is that the experience of reading the various blogs and news sites is like a modern day Gulliver’s travels.

  14. mkr says:
    @mkr

    And this:

    “Coronavirus traces found in March 2019 sewage sample, Spanish study shows”

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-science-idUSKBN23X2HQ

    and

    “Italy sewage study suggests COVID-19 was there in December 2019”

    https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-italy-sewage-idINL1N2DV2XE

    and

    “Coronavirus: COVID-19 may have been spreading in Bay Area since late 2019, according to report”

    This quote is from the this article also: “Dr. Smith also said early detection of the virus lagged because of the severe flu season we were already having in the Bay Area and the overlap in symptoms with coronavirus”.

    That’s some “pandemic” when even the hospitals had no idea there was even a “pandemic” occurring until the CDC told them there was a pandemic and to test for it.

    https://abc7news.com/bay-area-coronavirus-update-california-shelter-in-place-lockdown/6099528/

    You can test wastewater samples taken in the past that have been stored. You can also test blood that was donated in the past.

    It may have come from Wuhan, it may have come from elsewhere. It’s pretty clear in all probability it came from a lab. We need the truth. We need facts not fiction, reality, not make-believe.

    • Thanks: Kim Jong Il
    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  15. Daemon says:
    @How do you know its a real Durer

    Expats in China are watched like a hawk, their every move and communication is monitored by state security. They are treated as de facto spies so the possibility of the source originating from them is extremely low. It must have come from somewhere where the Chinese would not have been able to monitor, i.e. overseas. That is why the Military Games immediately became the prime suspect.

  16. If this originated intentionally from a US lab (rather than unintentionally from a US funded Chinese lab, which seems to be the other most likely option), what we need is someone involved, a scientist perhaps, to come forward (even anonymously) and explain what they know. Well meaning people who thought maybe they were moving China towards “democracy” should see how big this fail was and how we need to prevent covert activity like that in the future. One of the mysteries on these alleged “conspiracy theories” is how they keep everyone involved quiet for so long. At least for the Kennedy assassination, we’ve now got an anon source with supposed inside info saying the CIA was complicit.

  17. Dumbo says:

    One must at least admire Ron’s tenacity in continuing with this silly idea, even when it’s more than proven that the “it’s just the flu, bro” people were the ones who were right all along. Even vaccinator maniac Bill Gates pretty much admitted that.

    https://www.kusi.com/bill-gates-says-covid-is-kind-of-like-the-flu-and-that-the-vaccines-are-imperfect/

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/12/bill-gatescovid-can-be-treated-more-like-seasonal-flu-after-omicron.html

    And from 2018, just before the “fakedemic”:

    https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/bill-gates-flu-vaccine-pandemics/

    • Agree: Che Guava, bike-anarkist
    • Replies: @botazefa
  18. Anon001 says:

    Not an expert, but thought to share. If true, then very worrisome.

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  19. But the conspiracy theory of a US bioterrorist attack against China doesn’t hold water when contrasted with the reality on the ground. Unless, of course, China is playing some sort of 6D-chess -the kind Trumptards with Qtardation are still claiming their orange Jesus is using against the “Deep State”- and readying a brave patriotic onslaught against the evil Western “globalist communists” to whom China owes its current status as an economic powerhouse. China and the terrorist USEUNATO conglomerate have been coordinating and mirroring their response the the global plandemic, treating it like a joint venture and taking advantage of WHO-led bioterrorism to impose arbitrary restrictive measures against their respective populations, and open markets and sell “vaccines”, ventilators, masks, etc. But the “US is bioattacking poor, innocent China” conspiracy does seem quite useful to cover for any number of additional catastrophes the powers behind the UN Security Council may be preparing to bring forth “multipolarity”.

    China actively publishing, sharing accurate COVID-related data with world
    It takes time to generate COVID-19 data amid caseload surge: epidemiologist
    By GT staff reporters Published: Jan 15, 2023 09:23 PM
    https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202301/1283835.shtml

  20. Alfred says:

    The US DoD did it. How else to get 80+ countries to implement rules which contradict everything in their prepared pandemic plans?

    𝐁𝐑𝐄𝐀𝐊𝐈𝐍𝐆: 𝐁𝐎𝐌𝐁𝐒𝐇𝐄𝐋𝐋 𝐀 𝐍𝐄𝐖 𝐑𝐄𝐏𝐎𝐑𝐓 𝐒𝐡𝐨𝐰𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐃𝐨𝐃 𝐂𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐫𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐂𝐎𝐕𝐈𝐃-𝟏𝟗 𝐏𝐫𝐨𝐠𝐫𝐚𝐦 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐕𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐁𝐞𝐠𝐢𝐧𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠, 𝐆𝐨𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐁𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐚𝐬 𝐟𝐚𝐫 𝐚𝐬 𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟑, 𝐔𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐎𝐛𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐀𝐝𝐦𝐢𝐧𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧

    https://didyouknow.ink/breaking-bombshell-a-new-report-showss-the-dod-controlled-the-covid-19-program-from-the-very-beginning-going-back-as-far-as-2013-during-the-obama-administration/

    Much more interesting is where we are now headed.

    𝐃𝐫. 𝐌𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝐘𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐨𝐧: 𝐋𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐄𝐯𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐏𝐫𝐞𝐦𝐞𝐝𝐢𝐭𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐌𝐚𝐬𝐬 𝐌𝐮𝐫𝐝𝐞𝐫 𝐛𝐲 𝐂𝐎𝐕𝐈𝐃 𝐯𝐚𝐜𝐜𝐢𝐧𝐞.



    Video Link

    • Thanks: amor fati
    • Replies: @amor fati
  21. Flu hoax, stop believing jew lies

    • Agree: Emslander
  22. Deadbeat says:
    @aldonichts

    Dr. Ryan Cole, analyzed the vials and stated that what is being identified as graphene oxide is really cholesterol.

  23. Tony Hall says:

    Ron Unz writes,

    “Well over a million Americans died in the epidemic.”

    Its well established in countless credible sources that the frauds connected to changing the rules for filling out death certificates formed one of the major early frauds in getting the manufactured COVID crisis up and running.

    [MORE]

    Why keep flogging this dead horse? There is no way to know presently how many of those who died supposedly of COVID– mostly sickly old folks before the injections started to poison the young and middle aged– actually met their end from co-morbidities including COVID. Moreover, it has been well established that many of those that died with COVID rather than from COVID were originally diagnosed as “positive” on the basis of the totally inaccurate Drosten COVID test.

    How many so-called COVID deaths actually had nothing to do with the supposedly “novel” coronavirus? The anecdotes concerning this question are many. Beyond that, there are multiple questions yet to be satisfactorily answered about what transpired in alleged “kill-box” nursing homes and hospitals.

    By now it is beyond question that, for purposes of fraud, Christian Drosten abusively co-opted Kary Mullis’ PCR procedure. The goal of Drosten and his backers was to pump up the “COVID case numbers.” This problem in testing has huge implications for the highly problematic calculations of COVID death statistics.

    The many obstructions put in the way of autopsies of supposed COVID corpses adds to the statistical uncertainties as well as to the massive and growing public distrust that the COVID officialdom rightfully deserves..

    At this moment the key issue that must be addressed is the onslaught of deaths and injuries from the injections. This genuine emergency includes the need to develop ameliorative medical procedures for those rendered sick and crippled from the jabs we now know to have been administered as “military countermeasures.” The cover-ups must be identified, highlighted, condemned and stopped.

    The Florida grand jury on COVID matters is providing an important prototype for the kind of procedures that must be initiated on a much broader scale.

  24. Tom Welsh says:

    It has been public knowledge for many years, but seems to be little mentioned nowadays, that China has suffered a whole series of unexplained virus outbreaks. Most of those afflicted animals – pigs, birds, etc. – that Chinese people rely on for food.

    Now we have seen a similar outbreak in humans. To my mind, it is quite likely that the outbreaks have been the visible signs of biological warfare.

    The US government has the means – the knowledge, the experience, and the equipment. It also confronts a stubborn obstacle in China, which will not yield to economic, financial, or military pressure. What could be more natural for an unscupulous group of power-hungry criminals than to resort clandestinely to biological warfare?

    It would be hardly surprising, too, if they bungled the attack so severely as to inflict more harm on their own people.

  25. All the China haters here looking like the drooling idiots we knew they were!

    • Agree: boynkin
    • Replies: @Kim Jong Il
    , @boynkin
  26. mijj says:

    > “The idea that the U.S. might deliberately release a virus in China might seem far-fetched to some.”

    thoso folks just haven’t been paying attention or live in a state of delusion. The USA regularly kills tens of thousands of people .. occasionally hundreds of thousands.
    Mass murder via Biowar is just routine by different means.

    • Agree: Son of a Jedi
  27. Veracitor says:

    Is the bird flu devastating the US chicken/egg industry now a retaliatory bioweapon attack?

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  28. Brosi says:

    The Omicron “Variant” was another bio-weapon attack, and the “Kraken” is now. These “Variants” originate from genetic branches that died out and then just miraculously reappear with newly gained functions.

    The Biowarfare attack is ongoing. The mRNA vaxxines are an integral component of the bio-warfare attack despite their not being safe, effective, nor even reducing transmission. Clearly they are lying about everything, yet some people think that they can select which parts of the narrative are true based on the word of the MSM.

    Yet the big Jewish Pharma propaganda machine to get “boostered” marches onward in complete defiance of reality. The cognitive dissonance of people liberals and boomers who can see young sports stars and media personalities dropping dead “suddenly” all around is one of the most stunning characteristics of the era we are living in.

    To me it directly related to the people who accept the New York Times and MSM as the ultimate arbiters of “facts”. If NYT didn’t report it, it didn’t happen. If NYT says the Vaxxes are safe, then they are safe until the NYT retracts. If the NYT says the US is winning the war agaist Russia, then the US is winning.

    One of the ways that the propaganda organs have succeeded in creating the reality void is by all the virtue they attach to political correctness. People who support Vaxx, Ukraine, Gun Control, AGW, Pedo Pete’s hidden top secret documents and Hunter Biden are “good”.

    [MORE]

    • Thanks: Emslander
  29. As usual, you tout your pet theory and gloss right over the most important piece of the PanicFest: Does anyone in America have a right to LOCKDOWN people, houses, and towns, based on hysterical fears of Black Death 2.0? (Even if it WERE the Black Death 2.o)

    Does anybody have a right to force untested gene therapy on Americans?

    The answer is NO to both. That is the big story here, Ron Unz. You’ve missed the gist of the biggest story of your era… so far…

  30. @Ghan-buri-Ghan

    The Chinese lab-leak explanation is the most common sense explanation. The gain-of-function research on these Corona viruses was being done there as directed by Fauci’s crowd and in collaboration with UNC (Chapel Hill, NC). This has been widely known, and Ron Unz has promoted articles about it.

    The labs in Wuhan were operating under BSL-2 instead of the required BSL-4 (safety levels), because it’s easier to get things done that way, and it is China. If you don’t know China, then you wouldn’t understand that Quality is not Job 1. If makes sense that this is where the virus first got out of the lab.

    Ron Unz’s theory assumes that the perpetrators didn’t care or didn’t realize that the virus would spread around the world from China. Chinese people travel all over. They “did not know that”. They didn’t even try to restrict travel as part of their plan? That’s not how you do a bioattack, people..

  31. > the origins are unraveling

    The origins have been obvious since early 2020. It’s not just from the United States, because assuming national borders / interests matter is a childish position. The assertion that the US overplayed the threat and that that is the smoking gun is naive, you really think a plan this large would be given off by some lowly lackey hyperventilating about how he dindu nuffin? No.

    It’s easy: the virus was made in a lab (where? who the fuck cares?) by the WEF / Schwab / Soros / Blackrock / Gates / Satanic / etc coalition that identified independent, rodeo-clown red blooded Americans as a threat and sought to wipe them out, this being the nail in the coffin, the insult to an injury, etc.

    The actual introduction of the virus and the way the news / “announcement” is handled are two very different things and the latter hardly ever gives a true picture of the former. Going about wondering why someone’s pointing the finger at some guy is a waste of time, it’s ticket-takers all the way down.

    Here’s what’s next: people are dying from complications from the MRNA “vaccine”. There are going to be major complications in pregnancies. Many new births will be autistic (as in, retarded, sub-80, unable to fend for themselves). Many vaxxed women will develop PCOS, then cancer, and then be fully sterile. Many, many people will develop auto-immune diseases.

    After all this, the truth will come out, and the WEF will do a rugpull. All their lackeys will be put up as an example of what NOT to do. Don’t expect this to be very public. Then the WEF (and associated) will promise the sky, they’ll promise technology and civilization and people will accept it with both hands. Yes, “the managers” are degenerate, blood-hungry psychopaths. No, they aren’t clueless, although they are indeed a far cry from what their ancestors were. These are merely the end-of-the-line “managers”, the ones with extreme inbreeding and diluted blood. Much like how the ultimate pharaoh was black. We wuz indeed, but look, on the bright side, brawndo’s got electrolytes!

  32. Is there anything ew in this article? Is there any way the case for the US rugged actors’ theory of origins is advanced beyond what has already appeared in TUR? I don’t think so. RU’s theory is hard to disprove from outside government, but absent the “smoking gun” existing and pointing to USG involvement shy keep it boring on at UR at least before FOIA inquiries turn up something suspicious?

  33. Tucker says:

    I was a hold-my-nose, two time Trump voter and would probably hold my nose a third time if he is the GOP nominee in 2024. But, I will also say this: I have discovered, somewhat late in life and much to my profound disappointment – that I am a very different kind of voter when it comes to keeping a sharp eye on not what politicians say, but what they actually do if they are elected.

    With that in mind, when Trump was elected in 2016 and moved into the White House – I was focused like a laser beam on who this guy was hiring into his administration and what I saw him doing very quickly made me realize that the guy was either a complete imbecile -or he was deliberately staffing his administration up with never-Trumpers, anti-MAGA rats, globalists, neocon war mongering psychopaths and RINOs and White race hating jews. Of those groups, the only category of rats that he made an effort to oppose were the war mongering neocons and he refused to let them sucker him into starting any new wars. He did, however, let them goad him into murdering Solemani and that put a permanent stain on his reputation and exposed what a cowardly, chicken-sh!t worm he can be when he lets himself be influenced by neocon psychopaths.

    What does this have to do with these dangerous and deadly death jabs? Unz and a few others have been trying to build a case that suggests that Trump was an active conspirator with Big Pharma and Bill Gates and that he had prior knowledge that, what Pfizer is now being forced to admit – that these vaccines contained ingredients that would cause serious harm and even be fatal to anyone who took them. Hence, Trump is just as guilty as Pfizer and Fauci and all of the other Big Pharma vaccine manufacturers and the CDC and the FDA who all played a role in promoting these dangerous vaccines.

    Well, I admit that I have a great deal of contempt for Trump based on how disappointing he was on a significant number of his 2016 campaign promises that he did not deliver on – and also, due to his inexcusable stupidity when it came time to hire pro-MAGA, pro-America First, anti-neocon, anti-War, anti-globalist, pro-populist people and instead of draining the swamp, he expanded it. But,
    without concrete evidence – I have trouble believing he was an active participant in this diabolically evil depopulation agenda and that he had complete knowledge of that the vaccines were designed to injure and sometimes kill people.

    I base my opinion on my conviction that Trump shows no indication of being an exceptionally intelligent individual. He is a narcissist and an ego maniac and has a typical, hyper obnoxious, abrasive, rude, and crude personality that is the default for anyone who has ever spent any amount of their lives living in New York City. New Yorkers are genetically programmed to be unlikeable, and Trump is a classic example of that.

    I am starting to wonder if these vaccines were deliberately designed to be dangerous and harmful by the anti-Trumpists who dominate Big Pharma, who then took advantage of Trump’s naivete and his big ego to snooker him into getting on board with their ‘Warp Speed’ roll-out, which he did without engaging a single critical thinking brain cell in his head (assuming he even has any such brain cells) and the idea was to wait for the adverse side effects and deaths to start happening and then shift the blame for those side effects onto Trump?

    To my knowledge, Trump has yet to publicly acknowledge these adverse side effects that are being caused by the vaccines and the idiot still brags about being ‘The Father of the Vaccines”, which usually draws an explosion of ‘boos’ from the crowds who attend his rallies. So, I ask myself – is it even remotely possible that Trump is still not aware of the hundreds and hundreds of news reports about the adverse side effects tied to the vaccines? I find it impossible to believe that the people he has in his inner circle, his campaign advisors are all completely ignorant of these adverse side effects – especially since they are now being discussed in the mainstream news. Would those advisors not share what they have learned with their Orange Boss?

    I am not a fan of Ron DeSantis, other than approving of him remaining as governor of Florida; this guy has Deep State war monger written all over him. But, DeSantis has moved to the right of Trump and he has been openly talking about the adverse side effects of the jabs. So, why is Trump still refusing to touch this critically important subject?

    • Thanks: Sarah
  34. anonymous[332] • Disclaimer says:

    Dr Robert Malone whose picture is at the top of this article – co-developer of MRNA tech, and admittedly vaxed himself – has had some big ultra-establishment connections in this life

    Malone is sometimes critiqued by the ‘conspiracy’ community as possibly a ‘limited hang-out’, slowly managing negatives as they arise but never quite going full-on against the establishment

    One recent foray of Malone’s that led to flak, is his suggestion they are beginning to vaccinate livestock who are rendered into meat for human consumption, as a backdoor to vaxing humans involuntarily
    https://www.revolver.news/2023/01/dr-malone-shares-dire-warning-mrna-vaccines-are-being-injected-into-our-food-supply/

    Malone hints we may become vaxed just by eating meat – ‘vaxed at McDonalds’ – as much as by the misfortune of going into hospitals and getting transfusions of vaxed blood … some think that Malone might be using his prestige to go ‘full conspiratard’ and distract us with a red herring

    This whole ‘who dun it’ about ‘bioweapon covid’ has the feel of a distraction, especially given the idea that at the top, big powers work together on things like covid, e.g., why is Russia’s Sputnik vax allegedly a rip-off of AstraZeneca, but the West doesn’t complain about this, the tech simply handed to the Russkis? Is this all a distraction from more important agendas? Such as this –

    • Agree: bike-anarkist
  35. cohen says:

    Glad the debate is on

    Get ready for WHO Pandemic Treaty under develpment. Digital identity, sanctions against non compliant nations, and censorship against disinformation and misinformation (except “Scientific” information).

    Stay tuned. Monkey POX died on it own. Now what? Apple POX

  36. Mark G. says:

    When people claim that the U.S. government is lying about the origins of Covid but at the same time say that same government is providing accurate information and statistics on whether the vaccines are safe and effective there is a certain inconsistency there. It seems more plausible the government, at least to me, is lying about both.

    I’m largely agnostic about whether the disease came from a botched biowarfare attack or from a botched attempt to contain it in a Chinese lab that had been funded by Fauci. Knowing the competence level of our current corrupt and evil elites, either one could be possible. It’s my belief, though, that if you accept that the government is dishonest about the origins of the disease it is quite likely they are also being dishonest about the vaccines and treatments.

    Early treatment programs were largely blocked by the government, with the government threatening to revoke the licenses of doctors trying to develop and implement them. These early treatment programs, if they had been easily available and widely implemented, might very well have reduced the risks of the disease. A comparison of the risks of getting vaccinated and then getting Covid compared with the risks of getting Covid and then treating it with an early treatment program might very well show the latter is the safer course.

  37. Che Guava says:
    @New Dealer

    However, the arguments for the neocon/U.S. ‘security’ state connections are convincing.

    On the other hand, proof against ‘the vaccines warn’t harmful’ idea that Mr. Unz also posits is mounting by the day. Sure, the huge number of elite and near-elite sports people, and older, so many still fit people who were formerly elite sportspeople dropping dead is a stochastic phenomenon, but is very real and without precedent.

    Statistical evidence for general pop’ns in the form of pre- and post-vax excess death figures is also easy to find.

  38. Che Guava says:
    @Ghan-buri-Ghan

    The very idea of using ‘Tyler Durden’ and an old photo of Brad Pitt playing that character is strange.

    I would guess that Pitt told his management somethimg like ‘Leave it alone, it is good publicity’.

    • Replies: @onetwothree
  39. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @The Peul

    JFK. 9/11. Snowden NSA whistleblowing. Public opinion hasn’t moved the needle on the misbehavior of the government in decades let alone depose it.

    I might add “Holocaust.” But It doesn’t really matter what the brainwashed public believes or doesnt believe. Unz, BTW, spends too much time reading and taking seriously the brainwashing organs of the Zionist establishment [UNZ: “I have regularly read in the pages of the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, or the Economist”] which is typical of retards who’ve been brainwashed into believing they’re “Jews” and not Satanists. That last statement explains entirely the Covid “vaccine” conspiracy contra HCQ and IVM. But back to my original point: what the brainwashed public believes is irrelevant to the objective truth (even though what the brainwashed public believes is relevant to the ability to spread the objective truth).

    UNZ: Moreover, faced with a life-and-death situation, substantial portions of the public together with some medical professionals claimed that various treatments for Covid such as the use of HCQ and IVM were safe and effective but wrongly suppressed, a position loudly attacked and denounced by the outraged medical and media establishments. These battles grew even fiercer once a massive Covid vaccination drive began at the end of 2020, with critics noting that the mRNA vaccines being employed were based upon an entirely new biotechnology and had required the use of emergency waivers to circumvent what would have otherwise been a long and cautious clinical trial process.

    An objective intellectual and not a brainwashed “Jew” would have been looking at the conspiracy to suppress those two treatments from the beginning and smelled a rat. But Unz would have had to smell himself, which usually isn’t going to happen. But I will say of, of all the rats, he stinks the least!

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  40. I get the feeling that we greatly overestimate our capacity to tamper with complex things. They are looking for bugs and betting that some of them will spread far, a thing that happens in nature from time to time. With the recent covid outbreak they hit the bullseye and got the opportunity to put their theories into action.

    One gets the idea that they would have wanted covid to be bit more deadly, as well as fast spreading, which is probably due to their highly aggressive marketing of both the disease and their championed cure. China has the correct circumstances in many places for new or changed communicable diseases to have a chance at big things, like many other places, only more so if you look at it like a betting scientist.

  41. anon[152] • Disclaimer says:

    Yoichi Shimatsu has been an execellent source of info on this matter for the last 3 years. Ron, you should check out his articles.

    • Agree: QCIC
    • Replies: @QCIC
  42. The Chinese reacted strongly on January 22, 2020 with the suspicion that they had been the victim of an enemy biological attack, which is why they applied the most severe measures possible against the virus.
    And that indicates a lot in his favor.

  43. If the tens of millions of individuals who have been concentrating their attention on the consequences of the Covid outbreak now also begin to consider its likely origins, I believe that the existing cover-up may collapse, with potentially enormous political ramifications.

    Even if the cover-up does “collapse”, the political ramifications will NOT be enourmous – the reaction of the US population will be minimal. Why? Well, the vast majority of the US public does NOT trust the government as it is, according to Pew Research:

    Today, two-in-ten Americans say they trust the government in Washington to do what is right just about always (2%) or most of the time (19%). Trust in government has remained at roughly this low level for more than a decade.

    Although the public does not trust the government, the vast majority follows the instructions of the government, as is seen by the following example from the site Statista:

    As of January 4, 2023, around 81 percent of the U.S. population had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccination.

    Even though the US public does NOT trust the government, the population will still follow the government’s instructions – even Ron Unz took the “vaccine”! And I am assuming he does not trust the government either.

    What does this show? That the US population is schizophrenic? That it is suffering from Stockholm syndrome? How can trust in the government be so low (around 20%) but the compliance rate with what the government dictates be so high (around 80%)?

    Therefore, even if the the “cover-up” collapses, with only 20% of the population believing in the narrative, the sheeple will still toe the line and do whatever the government tells it to do. It’s an example of the Pareto Principle: the 20% of the people who trust the government will still cause an 80% of compliance rate with the government. This does not bode too well for those, like Ron Unz, who think that a “cover-up collapse” will result in meaningful political consequences.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  44. SBaker says:

    Dr. Robert W. Malone is a towering figure in those circles and he seemed to judge this Covid origins analysis as important as I did, tweeting out the article to his 900,000 followers and getting nearly 1,400 retweets.

    Malone has been a horse rancher for the last 20 years. I can only find a couple of articles in refereed journals that Malone has published in the last 20 years. This is far from towering figure status. Ron, can you provide that list of his publications?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Truth Vigilante
  45. Crass says:

    Dr Vernon Coleman who has written over 100 books, stated In March 2020, after studying the covid death figures and comparing the death statistics in the UK to that of previous years, said that the threat of covid-19 had been wildly exaggerated and that there was no pandemic.

    He also categorically stated in 2020, that Covid-19 was just the rebranded Common Cold and Influenza. He was made an unperson by the UK Government/Social media for his assertion.

    But here we are in 2023, with the usual suspects still pushing the Covid-19 ruse.

  46. @aldonichts

    “… the origins of “Covid.”

    How can something, which has never, ever been conclusively demonstrated to exist, have an origin.

    • Troll: allergic2katz
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @1jonny
  47. It came from the DoD/DARPA. Here is the evidence:

    https://bitchute.com/video/Pf1r9xX6Gyb5

    Do yourself a favor and take the time to watch that. Seriously.

    • Agree: Rumpelstiltskin
  48. Anon[379] • Disclaimer says:

    I stopped reading at the end of the headline !

    This “Origin of Covid” is whack a mole with chopsticks. These endless and redundant articles so that endless and redundant readers can ruminate and wax over these endless and redundant ruminations, allegations, theories, hypotheses or whatever.

    People, you will get the facts in 2123 when all the players are dead. If you are still alive then you will get 40M pages of documents redacted. Fraudchi and the other players will be as obscure and unknown as Luther to an even more ignorant and uncaring public.

    In the meantime “writers” are reading the writing of other “writers” and coming up with another shill for the dummies. Its called literary ricochet !!

    I dont care of Covid started in the US, China or Timbuktu. These authors are spinning their wheels and reading this endless bunk is a waste of time.

    • Replies: @H. L. M
  49. Ron Unz says:
    @SBaker

    Malone has been a horse rancher for the last 20 years. I can only find a couple of articles in refereed journals that Malone has published in the last 20 years. This is far from towering figure status. Ron, can you provide that list of his publications?

    If you read what I said more carefully, you’ll see that I was describing Malone as a “towering figure” in alt-Covid and anti-vaxxing circles, which I think is entirely correct.

    He has substantially more followers on Twitter than RFK Jr. or Dr. Peter McCullough, two other very prominent alt-Covid figures, and several times as many as Steve Kirsch.

    • Replies: @govno
    , @A123
  50. Anon[379] • Disclaimer says:
    @TheTrumanShow

    Covid really exists, to date over 40,000 writers have told us so. In addition to MSM, Bitchute, YouTube and thousands of blogs have said the same thing. Even renowned bloggers like Anatoli Karlin, with his sword and Salvation Army threads have confirmed the existence of this microscopic cretin. Presidents, politicians and the heads of the CDC, WHO, ABC, FDA, XYZ, NFL, NRA and PAHO have said the same thing. Even the Jews have confirmed the virus right up to the CEO’s of Bigg Farma.

    There are even 18 year old teenagers, East Indians, Dindoos, high school drop outs and donkey cart men who have confirmed the existence of the bug, on the Internet !!!. They all wear masks dont they ? What more proof do you need.

    I am a believer too. That is why I have wrapped myself in plastic, put on three masks and have been hiding under my bed since early 2020. I have so far survived tbe Omicron, Macron, Macaroni, Alpha, Alpo and Jumbo variants.

    I was hoping that the war in Ukraine, Trump’s raid, Hunter;s laptop and lap jobs and blow jobs would get some traction. Then I would know for sure the epidemic, pandemic, endemic was over and could end my quarantine. Not so !

    Therefore unless some new drama is created to send the public into edge of the seat and nail biting mode, to terrify them, I will have to change my name to Dick Van Wrinkle and remain under my bed.

    Please believe this is true. The Politicians, MSM and every dunderhead with an internet connection have no reason to bullshit the gullible public.

    • Thanks: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Troll: 1jonny
    • Replies: @Emslander
  51. journey80 says:

    “rechristen,” not “rechristian.”
    Better yet, “rename” …

  52. @Achmed E. Newman

    Actually, you are the one missing the gist of the story. The lockdowns and coerced injections were part of a biodefense exercise. They, like the bio-attack itself, were part of a military operation, not a civilian public health response to a natural pandemic. Their purpose was to practice for the next bio-attack on China (and/or Russia and/or Iran) and build up a military capacity to unleash plagues at whatever level of virulence deemed most advantageous. The insistence on mRNA vaccines was all about testing a new military technology. The neocon-run US has a huge lead in that technology and wants to use its advantage to beat down challengers to its unipolar hegemon status, in accordance with the Wolfowitz Doctrine.

  53. anonymous[116] • Disclaimer says:

    really, at this point, origin is of little significance. i knew something was up in the year or two lead up to the “thing”. the demonization of anti vaxxers was reaching a crescendo during that time and it was deafening.

    then the people falling down dead in the streets in china. which at the time looked to me like graduate school projects in the horror movie vein…..

    then we were told that natural immunity doesn’t exist anymore.

    now we’re being told to trust statisticians…..at least here.

  54. govno says:
    @Ron Unz

    Yet another jew pushing the lie that some novel virus exists, working overtime for his few shekels.

    You would do yourself and your readers a great service by providing evidence that this (((virus))) exists. And by evidence, I mean actual isolation, and not a computer model.

    Oh wait, you can’t.

    Jews jewing goyim again, film at 11.

    • Troll: Olivier1973
    • Replies: @H. L. M
  55. mkr says:
    @mkr

    In addition to what I said here: “Those numbers have been manipulated by including the “with” Covid deaths into the official tally even though the person died of a different cause”; they have also used a PCR test that can be gamed to produce false positives by upping the amoung of cycles, they even admittedly gamed the tests when the CDC said that at one point “vaccinated” people in the hospital were using tests with less cycles while unvaccinated people were using the tests with higher cycles; I remember reading that; and the PCR test has been admitted to having trouble distinguishing between the seasonal flu and Covid-19. Where did the flu go in 2020 where you can clearly read that in December of 2019 the flu was supposedly raging, the masks did not stop the flu virus, so where did it go; right into the “with” Covid numbers along with false gamed positive tests and even “assumed Covid” positives without a test numbers; I remember hearing they were doing this also. The 1 million + Covid death number is bogus.

    Sorry, got too lazy for grammar. Point made though.

    • Thanks: Pheasant
  56. Coemgen says:

    1. a “hundred year virus”
    2. a virus that becomes a pandemic about the same time that we learned from impeachment witnesses, under oath, that the Bidens had an apparent conflict-of-interest in Ukraine.
    3. a highly contagious virus that has little effect on young people but kills elderly people
    4. deaths attributed to the virus were used to smear the sitting U.S. president who had a chance of being elected in spite of several previous smears (including a potential Katrina 2.0) failed to destroy his political viability.

    Random coincidences? What are the odds?

    • Replies: @SBaker
  57. The “lab leak” media narrative was started by a CIA run and CIA funded radio station.

    However, the narrative that COVID orginated from the Wuhan Military Games, was created and circulated in Chinese media by Israeli assets in Taiwan.

    The narrative that the COVID attack against China and Iran was a US Bioweapon attack, was circulated in China by Israelis. These rumors spread by Israelis in Taiwanese media reached The government and triggered the military response in Wuhan. Before that COVID was spreading in China for months but was ignored.

    Bart Classen wrote a highly supresses paper titled “COVID-19 and Illegal US Bioweapons Activity, an Insider’s Revelations”. He worked at US NIH/NIAID with Fauci until 1992. He claims that it was widely known that the agency was controlled by persons working for Israeli intelligence.

    He also states that NIH/NIAID was turned into an Israeli biological weapon program. He also states the names of the persons who developed and patented both the SARS and COVID virus and who were involved in their development.

    Covid is nothing except a power grab over society. A plot to consolidate power and attack Iran, China and other independent nations that are a threat to global hegemony. Today the EU, as a competitor nation, is being dismantled and its corporations sold to western interests in a bankrupcy sale. Brazilian election was stolen after support for BRICS. Brazil threatened independence from the US led global hegemony.

    Trump knew. Trump was involved with COVID. He knew what he was doing. Trump signed funding for this operation to the ESF. He knew.

    Even if it was used it against Trump and even if conditions created by virus allowed the election to be seized. He knew. He chose this. Trump signed the funding bill for the COVID operation.

    Remember the congress and white house received mono-clonal anti-body therapies for COVID long before the public was given the “vaccine”.

    Expect more viruses.

    SARS/COVID are not a virus. They are a platform for creating new viruses.

    [MORE]

    The S1 and S2 proteins are modular.

    The S1 and S2 sub units were developed in seperate labs.

    COVID is a warmup.

    COVID implements “Bioshield”.

    PCR testing at airport and restrictions on movement will allow NATO to offensively use biological weapons with no threat of leakage back to the attacking nation.

    New Zealand was a test bed for whether economic activity could continue with a complete, multi year shutdown of travel.

    Iran, Russia, China, Brazil and a few holdouts are the only pieces left to consolidate. Then they think the rest will fall in line and there will be no dissent and all will obey.

    COVID is about fixing a demographic problem in western nations.

    COVID is about maintaining capital flows into the US dollar system.

    COVID is about power.

    COVID is about control.

    The nation of Israel numbers in the millions. The nations of Amalek number 2 billion. Instead of being a tool to secure Israel and its future against Amalek, COVID became a tool to enslave and to control every person on earth. COVID was used to throw chains around the neck of every Jew.

    Everyone involved was lied to.

    The economic and military potential of biological weapons was demostrated by COVID. Now that the box has been opened, there is no going back.

    We are going forward into a world of unrestricted biological warfare for profit and control.

  58. Emslander says:

    conservative-leaning but generally well-regarded

    Whack!

    That backhand really stung.

  59. MLK says:

    What distinguishes Grand Conspiracies from the rest is the stakes. Those objectives determine the resources that will be applied.

    For my focused purpose here, that means lots of contingency planning, increasing in size and scope as the coalition of the willing and unwilling, if you will, necessarily expands.

    I’ve had only slight interest in those latter topics, and partly for that reason most of my views have been vaguely mainstream, not too different from what I have regularly read in the pages of the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, or the Economist.

    We all seek Safe Spaces, at least in terms of our expressed ideas. I won’t belabor this, suffice it to say that psychological operations know what buttons to push for each cohort.

    As I’ve mentioned before, the intelligence agencies — those charged with and paid to protect the national interest, for whom the Cardinal Error is a failure of imagination, expended enormous efforts after the Kennedy Assassination to condition anyone not authorized out of that disposition. Conspiracy theorizing, if yet verboten then the way it is to close now, was discouraged and stigmatized. The latter by the serendipitous appearance of Wacky Conspiracy Theories.

    In any event, returning to the Covid Madness, the JFK Assassination is the right Grand Conspiracy to consider because it’s a close analogue in putting one foreign power on the hot seat upon kickoff. But, here’s the key, Russia wasn’t alone there. It was joining factions of the US government.

    If past is prologue, the origins of Covid will wax and wane as have the origins, so to speak, of Kennedy Assassination.

    Not to put too fine a point on it, that’s because it’s never a search for the truth — remember, the stakes are too high, but is functional toward ongoing objectives, both offense and defense.

    Such a catastrophe would be a thousand times greater than the Chernobyl nuclear disaster that helped bring down Soviet regime that ruled the USSR.

    Ron isn’t the only one for whom Chernobyl as an analogue to consider comes to mind. Though, given the current state of affairs under the illegitimate Biden regime, his observation should be filed under a good contribution to ‘Let me count the ways. . .’

    Consider it instead in terms of what I mentioned at the beginning — a failure of imagination. Unless I miss my mark, Soviet authorities, Soviet-style, engaged in both conspiracy theorizing and information management thereof.

  60. @Daemon

    This leads to something that also bugged me, how would it be brought in? Were people infected with it before hand? Was it brought in someone’s luggage? How hard would it be to smuggle in a bottle of medicine? It’s not like customs is looking for anything like it. Hell, what would you need to even transport it without infecting yourself or everyone else?

    Wouldn’t the military be monitored even more? Especially in the middle of the trade war, you’d think any thing they brought would be checked? I don’t know if military athletes are treated any different than civilians, but surely they don’t receive a free pass into a fairly hostile country?

    I don’t know if it’s possible for Ron to find someone with more knowledge on how this could physically have been done.

    • Replies: @Daemon
  61. @Achmed E. Newman

    I don’t care about the virus or the virus origin one one trillionth as much as I do about the reactions to it. It’s exactly parallel to the so-called 911 attacks and the subsequent war on terror.

    What in hell is wrong with these people? Demonic possession seems far-fetched but it’s at the top my list of possibilities. I suppose Russian infiltration might work if I was liberal CIA.

    https://isgp-studies.com/liberal-cia-ngo-network

    • Replies: @Kim Jong Il
  62. theMann says:
    @Tom Welsh

    Most if the animal outbreaks are the visible sign of

    LACK OF SANITATION.

    Animal husbandry exists in an appalling state of filth and mistreatment in any number of the countries, including the USA.

    • Replies: @Syd Walker
  63. skrik says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The Chinese lab-leak explanation is the most common sense explanation

    No. I suggest that you look up the MSH3 paper, then explain, via your ‘common sense’ if you can [or any other method], why WIV would use a patented sequence to send a chimera’s infectivity through the roof – and if WIV [foolishly?] did do that, then knowing what they’d done, get so careless as to allow a ‘common or garden’ escape of a now explosively infective creation? Kindly get real. rgds

  64. @Tom Welsh

    But those outbreaks have been occurring naturally every few years for a century, how do we tell which are man made and which aren’t?

    Were the Africans also a victim of African swine flu attacks from neocons?

    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
  65. H. L. M says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    If you say so………….

    • Replies: @Random Anonymous
  66. botazefa says:
    @Dumbo

    Right, and in all likelihood China knew covid was really pretty mild. They must also have known it was a Us bio-attack. What does China do? Act like it’s a world ending virus, spreading scary videos of people dead in the streets and hospitals built in a week.

    Net result, the US population loses its mind and suffers worse consequences than China.

    Fast forward to a couple weeks ago and china finally admits, by ending covid zero, that there never was anything to worry about.

    China’s response to Pompeo’s stupidity is truly amazing – China won the battle.

    • Replies: @Rooster16
  67. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Key problems with an “attack” theory that have never been addressed:

    -1- Why intentionally choose SARS2 — a modified, more contagious coronavirus?
    -2- The Crimson Contagion exercise was a failure. It shown that contamination less severe than SARS2 could not be contained.

    Combine #1 plus #2 and it is immediately obvious that the idea of an “Attack on China” is a non-starter. Intentionally releasing SARS2 might be an “Attack on the Entire Planet”. However, that introduces additional complications.

    -3- Why choose Wuhan as the launch point for an “Attack on the Entire Planet”?
    -4- Why transport SARS2 from America to China?

    Rogue #NeverTrump Globalists would be partners with CCP Elites. And, they want to send more American jobs to China. Going to the trouble to start a 100% guaranteed global event in China works against the interests of the purported plotters.

    If the Rogues were targeting “world economic order” or “Trump’s reelection campaign”, why did the plotters not pick something much easier? Stealing SARS2 from America and releasing it at LAX or Heathrow Airport would be more effective and less risky.

    -5- Why not “Obtain SARS2 from WIV, releasing it in Wuhan”?

    If this was an “attack”, then this is the simplest sequence of events to intentionally contaminate Wuhan, China. Discussion of this obvious option is notably absent. This would be much easier than a complex international conspiracy.

    Testimony from Wuhan Institute of Virology [WIV]

    -6- The biggest “smoking gun” is the missing testimony. WIV was built as a collaborative effort between the French and Chinese governments. There should be 50-100 French nationals on the ground there at any time. Why have we not heard from them in quantity?

    -7- The Danielle Anderson ‘testimony’ has two glaring issues.

    She worked in the BSL4 laboratory portion of WIV. Coronavirus is handled in the BSL2 part of the facility. She has no direct knowledge of actual execution on the BSL2 floor.

    Worse yet, Anderson claimed that WIV could not be engaged in the exact research described in the Eco Health Alliance document dump. This effectively destroys her credibility. If she had given her ‘testimony’ under oath, she would likely be headed to trial for perjury.

    The NCMI Document shared with NATO+

    -8- Only MEDIA — No government has corroborated the existence of this document. Mr. Unz is relying on the American Lügenpresse who ran the ‘pee pee dossier’ story. Yes one MEDIA outlet in Israel also reported that anonymous sources said something. Subsequent investigative reporting either discovered nothing or there was no follow-up.

    -9- Timing — This document is supposed to be from November, but the public did not hear about it until April. That timing is highly suspicious. NATO leaks like sieve. If ~30 NATO country politicians had received this, we would have heard about it before Christmas.

    -10- No Document — Not a single page of this hugely important document has made it into public view. This strongly suggests that the document does not exit. Or, it was misrepresented to the media.

    Occam’s Razor continues to point at WIV as the source. There has been no compelling evidence to support a more convoluted explanation.

    PEACE 😇

    • Thanks: Kim Jong Il
    • Replies: @skrik
  68. Emslander says:
    @Tom Welsh

    The US government has the means – the knowledge, the experience, and the equipment.

    But it could never keep something like that secret for years. People involved retire, get consciences and spill the beans. Some just get sick of it while doing it, like Snowden. The Chinese would eventually catch on and execute the bastards. Nothing like that could be done without approval at the highest levels and people at high levels of the military provide themselves with good paper cover, which would be copied and sent to friendly reporters.

    • Replies: @folkvangr
  69. Brosi says:

    Myocarditis Was 4 cases per Million ➛ Now 25K Per Million?!

    That’s 1 in 40 FYI

    Dr. Peter McCullough explains the results of 2 new “peer reviewed” “scientific” studies.

    [MORE]

    The Vaxx is causing heart attacks, and there have been several incidents with pilots dying in flight and the copilot landing the aircraft. Now we have this:

    It is almost certain that these pilots were vaxxed. A 1 in 40 chance of a commercial pilot having a heart attack is far too risky, we need to ground all vaxxed pilots now. Do we now count all these 82 deaths as “died due to Pfizer Vaxx”? During the “Pandemic”, the Pharma Faithful were perfectly willing to call people who “tested positive ” and died, and even dead people who tested positive ex-post-facto, as “death by covid”, completely skewing all the covid death statistics. Now, in order to regain some balance, all these passengers should be listed as “killed by Vaxx”.

  70. Jim H says:

    ‘The virus was deliberately released in China by some group or groups within the U.S. intelligence and security services. The purpose of such a release would be partly to disrupt China and partly as a live exercise for pandemic preparedness.’ — Will Jones

    Assume, for purposes of discussion, that Jones is correct. This raises a question:

    Didn’t the malevolent spooks realize that international air travel quickly would spread the engineered virus around the world, including to the US?

    It’s like shooting at someone inside a steel-walled vault, and having the bullets ricochet back and wound the shooter himself.

    One accepts that the intel community are amoral sociopaths, and not nearly as bright as they imagine themselves to be.

    But would they really do something this gobsmackingly stupid? And what potential rewards would induce them to do so?

    • Replies: @Antiwar7
    , @skrik
    , @niceland
  71. @WorkingClass

    Consider how the rest of the world would react to this information, and take it from there.

    America was responsible for all this?!!!” – …

    Inside America, such a shift would also have serious consequences. Just imagine the blame-games!

  72. QCIC says:
    @anon

    Yoichi’s work is an acquired taste, but is always informative. I see his writing as intentionally somewhat “ethereal”, the way I imagine writing is when the regime will arrest and torture an author for writing the truth.

    IIRC he thought the virus was developed by Japan and Britain to attack China directly and indirectly the US. This may be a different theory than you have heard, but he builds it upon facts he has dredged up.

    Even if you disagree with his ideas, his works silently scream “do not take anything for granted” and are valuable for that reason alone. I think he believes that fieldwork is essential to understanding the crime.

  73. @Che Guava

    They used to have other posters with other characters from that dumb movie “fight club”. I don’t know what the appeal was supposed to be or how they got away with it. The site has enough reach now that you’d think some sort of trademark BS could get a lawsuit going. Maybe Bulgaria is out of reach.

    As for Ron’s crazy theories, he’s sticking with them, just like his theory that mass immigration is good for the USA. Simple game theory shows the suicidal effect of biowarfare and immigration both, but why bother?

    Ron Unz 2024!

  74. Emslander says:
    @Fin of a Cobra

    How can trust in the government be so low (around 20%) but the compliance rate with what the government dictates be so high (around 80%)?

    There are two reasons:

    1. The 80% includes those who figure out how to make it look like they comply,

    2. We’re all becoming good samizdat, the Russians who would never openly dispute or defy the Soviet government, but would slide under it, living normal lives.

    • Agree: 1jonny
  75. @SBaker

    Shlomo Baker writes :

    [Dr Robert] Malone [who pioneered the mRNA technology being used in the clot shots] has been a horse rancher for the last 20 years.

    Shlomo, I see you’re at it again, peddling the ‘Malone is just a horse rancher’ smear once more.

    Using you logic, because the greatest scientist that ever lived (Isaac Newton) blew his money speculating during the Tulip Bubble, we could then dismiss the entire body of his scientific/mathematical output and label him as a gambler and a loser.

    YOU’RE AN ABSOLUTE FUCKWIT SHLOMO.

    What hobby Dr Robert Malone pursues in his twilight years is of no consequence as far as his long and loud warnings to humanity to AVOID THE TOXIC CLOT SHOTS.

    If anyone would know of the shortcomings of the mRNA technology, who better to ask than THE PIONEER OF SAID TECHNOLOGY !!

    Dr Robert Malone is indeed a towering figure, not just in the alt-Covid/anti-vaxxing circles as Ron Unz is falsely claiming.
    Malone is highly regarded by all the Not-Beholden-To-ZOG world class medical community.

    Unfortunately for you Shlomo and for Ron Unz, neither of you take heed of what the non-ZOG aligned medical community are saying.
    If you didn’t read it in the New York Times or the Zio controlled MSM, then it isn’t true (as far as the two of you are concerned).

    The two of you have an axe to grind on behalf of your Big Pharma benefactors.

    • Agree: Durruti, bike-anarkist
    • Replies: @SBaker
  76. Antiwar7 says:
    @New Dealer

    Wow! Just like Ron! But without any facts, evidence, or reasoning. In other words, not at all like Ron.

  77. QCIC says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    My hunch is the Deep State (whoever that is) intentionally caused the COVID crisis to trigger what I think of as ‘Biowarfare Protocols’ which are presumably sweeping and draconian. Once this is put in motion it allows an unprecedented power grab. This idea may be too conspiratorial, but some of the precursors to this event look strongly like the predictive programming that is occasionally mentioned.

  78. @Kevin Barrett

    Since the US is launching biowarfare attacks why should any other country hold to the terms of the Biological and Toxic Weapons Convention. Unleash the biochem WMDs.

  79. Antiwar7 says:
    @Jim H

    Yes. As stupid as sanctioning a major world commodities producer. As stupid as driving China and Russia together. As stupid as withdrawing from Afghanistan so chaotically. As stupid as off-shoring their industrial capacity, and then starting an industrial proxy war. Etc, etc, etc.

    It’s the Incompetent Evil Empire. Every word of that description fits.

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  80. @aldonichts

    Apartheid Israhell pointed the finger at China after they released the virus,
    the same way they pointed the finger at Muslims after they did 911.

    http://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2020/03/07/the-dirty-secrets-behind-covid-19/

  81. @Achmed E. Newman

    Here is information that DOD is behind the whole scam.



    Video Link

    Alfred in post #20 linked to a variation on this information.

    I’ve contended for a long time that the US is a soft military dictatorship where the theater of elections and “representative government” is a facade for public consumption. DOD is the deep state along with their other malignant agencies like CIA, FBI, NSA, etc. They run the country for their benefit. The most logical source for all this is the deep state.

    • Agree: ld
    • Thanks: Adam Smith
  82. @Achmed E. Newman

    In order to implement all that they needed a pandemic. So if there was a “lab leak” it was deliberate not accidental. And since you know that China isn’t too strict on QC, so must have Fauci and others in US, so why did they allow that research to be done in China?

    And if Covid is just the flu then China must have colluded with others to present it as a deadly new virus since China was the first to raise the panic, way before the US. That would imply the conspirators instructed China to start calling the flu Covid and to implement those counter measures.

    So it seems more likely that it was a deliberate biowarfare attacks by US on China.

    • Replies: @werpor
  83. skrik says:
    @A123

    Occam’s Razor continues to point at WIV as the source

    No; the very fact that you assert this [nota bene hasbarat credibility = 0] means that the exact opposite is most likely to be the actual case – i.e. not lab escape from WIV, but deliberate black-hat [*not* Chinese] release near the Wuhan wet-market – quite possibly by nebulizer-equipped micro-drone, ditto in Iran/Qom. Kindly see my #64.

    • Replies: @A123
  84. So you cite Robert Malone when tweets out an article about Covid origins … but only after two years of ignoring his claims re: the vaccines and smearing everyone who agrees with him as an anti-vaxxer. #ConfirmationBias

    • Thanks: Jim H
  85. @DeepThroat

    PCR testing at airport and restrictions on movement will allow NATO to offensively use biological weapons with no threat of leakage back to the attacking nation.

    China had testing protocols at airports and month long quarantines for any new arrivals. They also tested random goods coming in, yet they were never able to completely eradicate the virus as it kept popping up.

  86. skrik says:
    @Jim H

    And what potential rewards would induce them to do so

    Not much really, where much = a few squillion $s in mRNA ‘vaxx’ sales. rgds

  87. @Tony Hall

    Tony, have you noticed how your fairly brief comment, is truncated by the [MORE] insertion ?

    Meanwhile, comments # 33, 68 (both far longer), and other comments that are either of equivalent length to yours or slightly longer, are allowed to stand in their FULL LENGTH format.

    Ron Unz does that to me* sometimes.
    (*In the interests of full disclosure, many of my longer comments are not truncated with the [MORE] insertion and that is appreciated).

    He did it to commenter Brosi in this thread (twice), despite the fact that both comments were only 200 words long.

    You see, Ron doesn’t like the opinions of those who post info that runs counter to his narrative.
    ‘Brosi’ is known for his penchant to swim against the tide with his quality output (that’s why he’s respected by many of us).

    UR readers, BE WARNED !!

    Unz Review (UR) is hardly a free speech webzine. I (and some others that I’m aware of), are BANNED from posting comments in the articles written by the Marxists/Maoists Michael Hudson and Larry Romanoff.

    • Agree: allergic2katz, Durruti
    • Thanks: Brosi
    • Replies: @Thomas Faber
  88. gay troll says:

    You don’t attack a country or even a hemisphere with a virus having an R0 of 3.8. The signature capability of SARS2 is how incredibly infective it is. Not incredibly deadly, with an initial IFR of .26%. Just incredibly contagious. The epidemiological “blowback” of such an attack on the perpetrator would be inevitable and easily understood. So why would the U.S. use it in a first strike?

    When such a virus is newly on the loose, you don’t tell people that blocking planes from China would be racist. You don’t spend months ignoring the possibility that the virus could reach U.S. shores, only to spring testing and prophylactic measures once it is too late. Nancy Pelosi was telling people to come on down to Chinatown at the end of February, two months after the virus was discovered in Wuhan. Everyone knew immediately how incredibly contagious this virus was. Yet there was no action taken by any of our leaders to slow or prevent its spread to the United States.

    It’s not an international act of war FFS, it’s an international coverup. SARS2 leaked out of Ft. Detrick in mid 2019 and immediately sparked an epidemic of novel pneumonia. This pneumonia was unscientifically associated with vaporizers in many cases, but scientists also noted an extreme surge in other respiratory outbreaks in mid to late 2019, while the CDC ended the year warning about a very early and severe flu season. Although COVID, EVALI, mystery pneumonia, and flu all have different names, they have mostly identical symptoms that cannot be distinguished without a test. Furthermore, there was never any way to test for EVALI, and COVID tests did not become available until EVALI disappeared.

    Here’s what really happened. A virus that leaked out of Ft. Detrick started spreading across the U.S. and killing people. The government tried to sweep it under the rug until Sept. 2019, when they decided to spoof its origin in Wuhan. The time and place was carefully chosen. They let it loose at the start of the Lunar New Year to ensure maximum spread. Furthermore, the “lab leak” origin in Wuhan has always been a fallback from the “wet market” in Wuhan.

    China immediately set the panicked tone of the pandemic response: emergency hospital construction, brutal lockdowns, people dropping dead in the street. Burning so many bodies that a sulfur dioxide plume was visible from space. This is the time period when the media was telling us not to be racist. America watched the threat of COVID meander over from China with extreme non chalance. I believe it was the policy of our government NOT to impede the spread of SARS2 from China to the U.S. in any way. Why? Because it was already here and widespread. They had to make it SEEM like it spread here from China.

    This also explains why the CDC was so stingy and controlling with early testing. They had absolute control over the official pandemic curve, including cases and deaths, through their control of testing. The growth of COVID in the U.S. in 2020-2021 was NOT only the result of the disease becoming more widespread. It was the result of steadily increasing testing capacity. The finest example of the CDC’s statistical manipulation surrounds the election and inauguration of Biden. According to official stats, COVID became 3x as prevalent per capita in the lead up to Inauguration. It peaked on Inauguration Day, then became 3x less prevalent (until Delta hit later in 2021). But the official statistics didn’t show a 3x spike; they showed a 9x spike! This is because the CDC was also performing 3x the number of tests per capita. After Biden was in, they rolled their testing rate all the way back down. It seems to me that the period from the election to the inauguration was an exercise in naked statistical fear mongering. The CDC never had a constant testing capacity. Instead they have had the ability to move COVID statistics at will.

    This explains the vaccines as well. SARS2 has a SARS backbone. But it’s spike protein is littered with genetic inserts. The spike protein is engineered. Furthermore, it is widely understood that the spike protein is the cause of many of COVID’s unusual pathologies. As the Salk institute showed, the spike protein causes injury and disease independently of cellular infection. Now, the vaccines force your cells to make the same spike protein. So it is entirely plausible that the vaccines also cause injury and disease.

    It also becomes apparent that the intent of the vaccines was never to protect individuals or slow the spread. The intent of the vaccines was to force mutations on the circulating SARS2 spike protein, so that circulating SARS2 would be less dangerous overall to everybody (whether vaccinated or not). By this metric the vaccines spread to have accomplished their goal. At some point we are going to be left with another endemic human coronavirus. Who, what, when, where, why, and how are still questions that deserve a definitive answer.

    Unz’ theory leaves way too many questions unanswered.

  89. niceland says:
    @Tony Hall

    Ron Unz writes,

    “Well over a million Americans died in the epidemic.”

    Its well established in countless credible sources that the frauds connected to changing the rules for filling out death certificates formed one of the major early frauds in getting the manufactured COVID crisis up and running. Why keep flogging this dead horse? There is no way to know presently how many of those who died supposedly of COVID– mostly sickly old folks before the injections started

    If only relatively few “mostly sickly old folks” died from covid before the injections — how do you explain this graph for the 25-44 age group in the U.S. ?

    Mind you: Total death figures don’t take into account what caused the deaths. Looking at them, the issue if someone died from Covid or with Covid or from something else is irrelevant. What caused the sudden jump in deaths for the 25-44 age group in the U.S. in the beginning of 2020?

    Sure, we don’t trust U.S. figures, so let’s compare the above figures with Canada, age group 0-45.
    To put the Canadian figures on the same scale as the U.S. I multiplied them by 5. Close enough to compare changes. Take a look:

    It really looks like Canada had similar experience as the U.S.

    Explain this: What caused this sudden rise in deaths almost a year before anyone was vaxxed – if it wasn’t Covid?

    You don’t want us to keep beating a dead horse do you?

  90. SBaker says:
    @Coemgen

    What are the odds that the novel virus engineered by the Chicom scientists, would manage to escape all responsibility for what they did to the world? Their motive–to get rid of Trump, the guy who threatened to re-industrialize the US. Trump made way too many enemies by putting American interests at the top of his list.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    , @Durruti
  91. Che Guava says:
    @Chris Moore

    I would be sure that the Economist has a pretty big satanic base. WSJ, NYT, synagogue of satan as the base.

  92. @Kevin Barrett

    The insistence on mRNA vaccines was all about testing a new military technology. The neocon-run US has a huge lead in that technology and wants to use its advantage to beat down challengers to its unipolar hegemon status, in accordance with the Wolfowitz Doctrine.

    I used to view Kevin Barrett as a credible alt-media figure … until he turned into Ron Unz’s lapdog and started pushing this inane (if not insane) hypothetical scenario as if it were somehow proven fact.

    Never mind that the real crime of this last three years has less to do with a virus and A LOT more to do with governments’ actions in response to said virus.

    • Agree: Durruti
    • Disagree: Deadbeat
  93. In the practice of modern medicine, sepsis, not the bugaboo coronavirus, is the overwhelming killer of hospitalized intensive care COVID-19 diagnosed patients. In modern medicine It has been believed to be a bacterial infection, not an invisible virus. Belgium doctor Jean Louis Vincent, MD, PhD, recently concluded that deaths attributed to COVID-19 cannot be distinguished from death by sepsis. Moreover, researchers from BioForce labs in France indicate that all COVID-19 deaths are actually hospital-acquired sepsis. Perhaps this explains why 137 independent researchers and laboratories in 25 countries have been unable to find or credibly photograph the bugaboo Coronavirus virus?

    Since sepsis is the unrecognized elephant in the hospital room of Coronavirus patients, there need not be any Coronavirus at all to result in the same magnitude of deaths attributed to it.

    • Replies: @SBaker
    , @Pheasant
  94. niceland says:
    @Jim H

    Didn’t the malevolent spooks realize that international air travel quickly would spread the engineered virus around the world, including to the US?

    Perhaps they had done something similar before that led them to think this wouldn’t be much problem? Perhaps they underestimated the R0 for the virus..

    • Replies: @A123
  95. Covid-19 does not exist, it is an illusion concocted by the WEF and the Rockefeller and Gates Foundations and UN Agenda 2030 and the WHO, etc., to scare the people into taking the genocide MRNA clot shots , which is a genocide agenda to depopulate the world.

    Over 5 million illegals have crossed the border since the covid-19 scam was thrust upon us and not one of the illegals has had the MRNA clot shot, and congress and their staffs are exempt as are the WHO, the UN members and staffs, the CDC, the NIH, etc., etc., it is a hoax and this proves it is a scam and a psyop and a hoax.

    All the elites needed was the perception of a pandemic, here in Montana , if you told someone there was a grizzly bear in the area, people would be scared, regardless if there was a bear in the area or not, it is the same method that was used with the covid-19 scam and psyop, just tell the people that there is a threat and the majority of people believed it.

    What covid-19 is , is the flu and colds and pneumonia renamed, that is all, and it got millions to take the genocide MRNA shot that has killed millions, mission accomplished.

    These demons behind this scam and psyop are most evil, draconian, demons on the face of the earth.

    • Disagree: 1jonny
    • Replies: @1jonny
  96. A123 says: • Website
    @skrik

    Thank you for helping my credibility.

    Being attacked by a known Iranian state operative, such as yourself, makes my case much more convincing.

    deliberate black-hat [*not* Chinese] release near the Wuhan wet-market – quite possibly by nebulizer-equipped micro-drone

    ROTFL — Again Occam’s Razor provides a much easier case for the presence of the WUHAN-19 virus at the Wuhan wet market.

    Non-scientist staff (e.g. security, building maintenance) are not particularly well paid. It is fairly easy to envision them stealing apparently healthy animals slated for destruction. They would then transport them to a place where they could be sold for personal profit, such as the Wuhan Wet Market.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @skrik
  97. geokat62 says:
    @niceland

    What caused the sudden jump in deaths for the 25-44 age group in the U.S. in the beginning of 2020?

    According to the CDC’s official statistics, certainly not Covid…

    • Replies: @niceland
    , @Anon
  98. This is a poorly written article and not very coherent. What I mean by that is that it needs drastic editing.
    Ron Unz proved long ago that Covid 19 was a US bio-weapon, but I now think Ron Unz should also admit that the untested pfizer and moderna vaccines ( the trials were faked) were and are not effective and downright fraudulent.
    These Jabs are proving to be more lethal than the virus they are supposed to protect against.
    If Unz cannot see this then I have no respect left for him.

  99. SBaker says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    You give your aboriginal sisters a bad name. If you weren’t such a gutless weasel you would take me up on the bet offer. Stop hiding behind your computer and put your money where your mouth.

  100. @Mark G.

    I don’t see how anyone can argue–in good faith–with the points you make.

  101. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    There’s too much at stake for the US to accept the blame. It’ll spend billions on disinformation, lies and spin throughout all media to keep people confused and apathetic. Many people find it hard to accept the idea that parts of their own government could be so sociopathic as to do something like this. Then there’s just the usual bread and circuses with which to distract the public, celebrity news and gossip, along with inflation, shortages and war hysteria. Mencken said one can’t go broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public so don’t hold your breath awaiting the great American awakening. It’s not happening.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  102. SBaker says:
    @Wayne Lusvardi

    Since sepsis is the unrecognized elephant in the hospital room of Coronavirus patients, there need not be any Coronavirus at all to result in the same magnitude of deaths attributed to it.

    You are right, many bacterial infections are secondary to viral infections, particularly when it involves pneumonias. We see this in humans and many other species. The virus is the primary invader, doing its damage in the respiratory tree, by breaking the protective barriers, to set the stage for the secondary bacterial components.

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  103. A123 says: • Website
    @niceland

    Didn’t the malevolent spooks realize that international air travel quickly would spread the engineered virus around the world, including to the US?

    Perhaps they had done something similar before that led them to think this wouldn’t be much problem? Perhaps they underestimated the R0 for the virus..

    This seems implausible. They would have to be simultaneously Smart & Stupid.

    • Dumb enough not to grasp a “juiced” SARS2 would be more contagious that the original SARS.
    • Smart enough to weaponize the virus and get it to Wuhan, with no mistakes along they way.

    If the plotters were incompetent fools who intentionally took SARS2, they would have lost control near where they stole it.
    ___

    This leads us back to WIV as source. It is the easiest place to obtain the enhanced SARS2.

    It is proven fact that WIV was performing “gain of function” research on coronavirus. They were using the techniques needed insert the public knowledge (though patented) gene sequence to increase communicability.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Thanks: Kim Jong Il
    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @1jonny
  104. @Kevin Barrett

    It was a dry run, a “what if?”. To “get the range” you need to launch two trial salvos. One deliberately too short, one too long. Bullseye on the third.

  105. @SBaker

    The mirror image of Ron’s argument. Kudos.

    • Replies: @SBaker
  106. Want to know why Ron wrote that article which attributed Vax injuries to Obesity? (Actually it was more muddled – “excess deaths” to Obesity..).

    1- Ron is, according to photos I’ve seen, a very slender individual.

    2- He’s wealthy and not only that.

  107. @Truth Vigilante

    Click the “more” button to read the entire comment…

    It looks like it is done to long, off-topic and/or rambling comments, to clean up the thread. It can hardly be called censorious when you can just open the comment by a single click.

    As for the different authors, I think they are allowed to set the commenting rules themselves. Did you try politeness?

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  108. @JimDandy

    So the intention was to fuck up China’s economy, and it never dawned on them that it was going to fuck up America’s?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange

    In a November 2004 Zogby International poll of 987 people, 79% of respondents thought the U.S. chemical companies which produced Agent Orange defoliant should compensate U.S. soldiers who were affected by the toxic chemical used during the war in Vietnam. Also, 51% said they supported compensation for Vietnamese Agent Orange victims.

    The desire of the American government to hurt Russia and China is so enormous that the White House and its associates are prepared to ignite WWIII and to destroy life on earth as we know it.

  109. amor fati says:
    @Tony Hall

    Ron Unz writes,

    “Well over a million Americans died in the epidemic.”

    He even had the audacity to make mention of Sweden in his “Anti-vaxxer smackdown*” while failing to engage the curious fact that Sweden had no excess deaths in 2020. Riddle me that?

    A. This adfuscation has been brought to you by the Friends of Pfizer.

    * https://www.unz.com/runz/obesity-and-the-end-of-the-vaxxing-debate/

  110. @gay troll

    When such a virus is newly on the loose, you don’t tell people that blocking planes from China would be racist. You don’t spend months ignoring the possibility that the virus could reach U.S. shores, only to spring testing and prophylactic measures once it is too late. Nancy Pelosi was telling people to come on down to Chinatown at the end of February, two months after the virus was discovered in Wuhan. Everyone knew immediately how incredibly contagious this virus was. Yet there was no action taken by any of our leaders to slow or prevent its spread to the United States.

    It’s not an international act of war FFS, it’s an international coverup.

    100%.

    • Agree: 1jonny
  111. Anon[282] • Disclaimer says:
    @JimDandy

    It’s as ridiculous as the 9/11 blowback theory, which is the official 9/11 conspiracy theory. The same people are still running the show, but now they’re so incompetent that they messed this terror operation up big-time. Good thing we have the (not a biological weapon) Covid vaccine to save the day. Not to mention, the same people pushed the global lockdown (which was actually a good thing).

    • Agree: allergic2katz
    • Replies: @Charles Martel France
  112. onebornfree says: • Website

    R.U.: “If the tens of millions of individuals who have been concentrating their attention on the consequences of the Covid outbreak now also begin to consider its likely origins, I believe that the existing cover-up may collapse, with potentially enormous political ramifications.

    What sort of “enormous political ramifications” are envisioned here?

    [MORE]

    Violent revolution?

    More, bigger government, more laws etc. etc., [Which is where this is all “naturally” headed, regardless]?

    Slightly less government? A lot _less_ government?

    Or [gasp!], a government strictly limited to its original constitutional powers, making it around 95% smaller than its current size?

    Nah, that last option is completely out of the question as far as Mr Ron, “Minimum Wage” Unz is concerned 🙂 .

    I say: “We’ve got to start us a new revolution
    And get back to the old constitution
    We’ve got to stand up and fight for the whole Bill of Rights
    Its time to start over again”

    From song: “New Revolution”:

    Regards onebornfree
    https://onebornfree-mythbusters.blogspot.com/

  113. Durruti says:
    @SBaker

    Their motive–to get rid of Trump, the guy who threatened to re-industrialize the US. Trump made way too many enemies by putting American interests at the top of his list.

    Yipes!

    Casino Trump threatened no such thing. He is one of them, an old friend of Epstein, Maxwell, Barak, & company.

    [MORE]

    https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/from-left-american-real-estate-developer-donald-trump-and-news-photo/1192977790

    He also hung with the Clintons, & supported them politically. – use the links

    And golfing – Just use the links Clinton & Trump golfing.

    Ask for photos.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  114. amor fati says:
    @Alfred

    I miss the old days. Back then a long American Pravda essay by Ron Unz would start out like unflavored oatmeal. For several pages (yes I would print them out) they were bland and boring. But as I kept chewing and reached the end something would happen. I would feel a great surge of energy and mental nourishment. I really got something out of his work.

    These days it is the opposite. For the past couple years his essays start out pretty strong. And for a moment I think: here is some righteous almond roca ice cream to delight in. But, by the time I get to the end I fell as though he just put a cup of sawdust in my mouth. No way am I going to swallow it (i.e. that this was some a small rogue element, a Pompeo stunt). Face it: something else is going on.

    p.s. Ron, the legitimate dissenters do not need to come over to you. You need to move over to them.
    Start with Dr. Peter McCullough and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya and the Great Barrington Declaration. There are many others including, yes, Dr. Michael Yeadon. (Thank you Alfred, comment # 20). And of course, RFK Jr. has fruits of insight to last you years.

    • Agree: Notsofast
    • Thanks: Alfred
  115. geokat62 says:

    As a side note, and this may be just a conspiracy theory, goy, but my sense is the Masters of the Universe will be subjecting the goyim, especially those in the West, to psyop after psyop to distract them from the most sensitive phase of the demographic shift they’ve initiated…

    [MORE]

    • LOL: Kim Jong Il
  116. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Kevin Barrett

    The lockdowns and coerced injections were part of a biodefense exercise. They, like the bio-attack itself, were part of a military operation, not a civilian public health response to a natural pandemic. Their purpose was to practice for the next bio-attack on China (and/or Russia and/or Iran) and build up a military capacity to unleash plagues at whatever level of virulence deemed most advantageous. The insistence on mRNA vaccines was all about testing a new military technology. The neocon-run US has a huge lead in that technology and wants to use its advantage to beat down challengers to its unipolar hegemon status, in accordance with the Wolfowitz Doctrine.

    This makes sense. While Russian traditional military technology has now far outstripped the US (as the fiasco for Ukraine — backed by NATO — has proven) the ZOG-US probably has an advantage in biowarfare technology, and willingness to use it (because ZOG-US is Satanic).

  117. @Unintended Consequence

    countering the rabid pro war propaganda

    Unfortunately, not enough!

  118. Wild Man says:

    Quoting Unz from his article:

    “If the tens of millions of individuals who have been concentrating their attention on the consequences of the Covid outbreak now also begin to consider its likely origins, I believe that the existing cover-up may collapse, with potentially enormous political ramifications.”

    Mr Unz: Thank-you for the re-attribution. Those of us concerned with the officialdom responses to the covid phenomenon, are the vaxx-hesitant (actually covid-gene-therapy-hesitant). You have noticed that the wonky officialdom responses, have all been in support of this crazy-making-vaxx-program-as-executed, – yes? Anyways, … maybe you are slowly coming around on dropping the anti-vaxxer rhetoric (I hope so). But mainly, I thought I should weigh in here, on this precise passage of yours, because of course, you could not have missed that all the crazy anti-vaxxers (actually covid-gene-therapy-hesitant, aka ‘those of us concerned with the officialdom responses to the covid phenomenon’) among your commentariat, have been very focused and concerned about it’s likely origins, all along, and largely agree with many of your speculations, but also see that you are emphasizing the wrong elements. The conspiracy (among those controlling things in our western jurisdictions – the faux-west gl0balists) is larger and deeper than you think. It is actually you Unz, that populate the less sophisticated take upon all the evidence, as compared to your average vaxx-hesitant folk, ….. you still think the sars-cov-2 blowback upon all the western population was not foreseen. I guess Will Jones thinks that as well (because he says so). Yet Will Jones asks us to consider that what we are looking at is the Deep State Crimson Contagion exercise going live, as it was planned to. Yes, ….. of course it’s that, and more. There has been no sense of panic emerging, from any corner of the officialdom edifice, at any juncture. The blowback topic is mishandled by Will Jones, and by proxy then, Unz now, too. Why is that, … why or how does Will Jones avoid the blowback topic? I don’t know why, but I do know how. He avoids it by avoiding any discussion of the CPP culpability with respect to accepting the patsy-ship they have taken on, which must have been in play by September 12th, 2019, that is, unless I am all wet with respect to this claim of mine, as per comment thread exchanges with you (Unz) back in Oct/22.

    So, by your rationale, if it wasn’t for this reason that it made ‘perfect sense’ to launch said rogue neocon Deep State false flag hack, …. then what was the reason? Note that the American virologists working within the team effort with Dr. Shi’s lab (EcoHealth Alliance, Ralph Baric and company) already had access to the shared database that were taken down, but only prior to September 12th, 2019.

    Let’s suppose these CCP actions of September 12, 2019 are evidence of the CCP’s acquaintance with some new knowledge (perhaps suspicions by then, that the coming patsyship-ploy-play was now coming into effect, holy sh*t!). In that event, nearly every one of Will Jones’ conclusions in the 3 Jones’ articles Unz references, (and therefore Unz too, by proxy), are only right by half-measure, and therefore wrong by half-measure (i.e – not nearly sophisticated enough …. we need speculations, conjectures and theories that fit all the evidence).

  119. @SBaker

    Oh dear ! It seems I’ve upset Shlomo Baker.

  120. @mkr

    Most humans don’t eat shit so why focus on sewage that has been exposed to much harsher conditions for survival than what would normally happen. TPTB have just sensationalized shit!

    I am amazed at what serious deflection/distraction gets proposed, then get many jurisdictions to analyze their wastewater to kingdome come, on the taxcattle’s dime.

    • Replies: @mkr
  121. @Achmed E. Newman

    Ron Unz’s theory assumes that the perpetrators didn’t care or didn’t realize that the virus would spread around the world from China.

    I’ve often wondered why Ron (or anyone) would assume this.
    I believe this attack was not limited to China and Iran.
    This was designed to be global. We were all targeted.

  122. @Thomas Faber

    Thomas Fibber writes :

    Click the “more” button to read the entire comment…

    I know how it works sonny.

    Did you try politeness?

    Oh, you mean sucking up to Ron Unz and going out of my way to flatter him and be a yes-man like you Tommy.

    No thanks.

    Unlike you, I will keep telling the truth irrespective of the consequences.

    • Thanks: Brosi
    • Replies: @Thomas Faber
  123. @Veracitor

    Why is there a problem with bird flu in chickens?
    Because the sanitary conditions; the quality of food general environment is abuse to animals, chicken or not’
    Industrial chicken batteries are an incubator for diseases, just like slums with poor sanitation are a harbinger of communicable illness and disease.

    The chickens really don’t have a problem with bird flu.

    • Replies: @SBaker
  124. niceland says:
    @geokat62

    These are not official CDC figures according to this:
    https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/why-the-covid-19-survival-rate-is-not-over-99/

    To minimize the importance of vaccination, an Instagram post claimed that the COVID-19 survival rate is over 99% for most age groups, while the COVID-19 vaccine’s effectiveness was 94%.

    The post’s alleged survival rate for COVID-19:

    0 – 19 years, 99.997%
    20 – 49 years, 99.98%
    50 – 69 years, 99.5%
    70+ years, 94.6%
    An incorrect use of data

    The Instagram post misrepresents data from the CDC’s COVID-19 Pandemic Planning Scenarios document published in September 2020. It was created so public health officials who use mathematical models could help hospitals and policymakers react to different levels of severity of the pandemic. The data does not show the likelihood of surviving COVID-19.

    These numbers are meant to be used for estimates of death over time, said Dr. Ruth Etzioni, a professor of biostatistics at the University of Washington School of Public Health.

    If this is incorrect: provide a link to the CDC figures. Quick search didn’t reveal any such figures on the CDC website for me.

    Besides: Whatever the IFR is for this age group – the question remains, what caused this sharp rise in deaths in early 2020?

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Dnought
  125. BuelahMan says:

    How convenient to discount the real problems with the kill shot, ignoring doctors with far more medical understanding about the harms from said shot than Malone, continually pushing the origin story in his many articles (as if that is the most important aspect) and still never denying that the shot is bad (contrarily, virtually bragging about the fact that this monumental intellect TOOK the GD shot).

    BS

    Does he want you dead, too? The jews that made the shit do.

    Stupid is as stupid does.

    If you take that shot because this guy did you are an even bigger monumental fool.

  126. @RoatanBill

    Probably much closer to the truth than most folks realize . . .

    Well said.

  127. @Ghan-buri-Ghan

    according to jungfreud, the jews are behind every website you have ever visited and every browser you have ever used.

  128. @Achmed E. Newman

    The labs in Wuhan were operating under BSL-2 instead of the required BSL-4 (safety levels),

    That is the allegation, but there is little evidence of that, beyond allegations.
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/australian-scientist-the-sole-foreign-researcher-at-the-wuhan-lab-speaks-out-20210628-p584sv.html

    • Replies: @mike99588
  129. Anon[379] • Disclaimer says:
    @geokat62

    The last time I was sick was in 1996. I came home feeling as fit as a fiddle and two minutes later was flat on my back. I lay on the family room couch for one week in the same clothes, not eating, not drinking and hallucinating, chills and sweats etc.

    I never took any medication as I was too weak to go to the pharmacy or Doctor. One week later it was all over and that was that

    I did not catch Covid during the freak show circus of the past three years.I was not vaccinated as I am too cynical where MSM, the Politicians and Doctors are concerned.

    Here is the rub though. My Sister in Law caught “Covid” AND her symptoms were the same as my stupid flu/ cold or whatever 26 years ago. After a week whatever it was disappeared the same way it appeared and she is as right as rain. No one else in her household got anything..

    So, while I am not a Doctor, as far as I am concerned the Flu (whatever the strain) is the same as Covid (whatever the name). The whole thing in my opinion was a load of shite.

    [MORE]

    As a side note, guys like Dr Malone brush up their image to look like TV Doctors, the white hair, the white beard, the searching look that can detect a dose of the clap before you even drop your pants and pull back the foreskin.

    In todays media driven world we have Dr MArcus Wellby, Trapper John and Gonzo, Dr Baloney, sorry I meant Dr Malone. They all look the same and it is for each of us to believe or not believe the diagnoses they spew.

    As for me, it seems that Hollywood influences reality rather than reality influencing Hollywood. To me, the whole lot of them are full of shit. I see some comments that suggest that since Dr Baloney has gazillions of followers then he must be “credible”. Bully for him and his followers but as a thinking man the names of Ponzi, Madoff and SBF come to mind.

    If there is a sucker born every minute then I posit there is a cunt born every second and these Doctors and their shills roped a lot of them into the circus with many more lined up ready to bend over for the anal exploration. I wish them all a happy fisting Baloney style !

  130. @Anon

    It’s as ridiculous as the 9/11 blowback theory, which is the official 9/11 conspiracy theory.

    What do you mean ?

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  131. Begins Unraveling Origins of COVID-19? Pathetic and ridiculous article. Alex Jones told us all about Crimson Contagion back when it happened in 2019 and what it meant. I’m constantly reading slurs against AJ here, while at the same time telling me “news” he told me about YEARS AGO. Yeah, but he’s so unreliable. Jealousy plain and simple.

  132. SBaker says:
    @ThreeCranes

    The mirror image of Ron’s argument.

    How so? Ron blames the US involvement.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  133. geokat62 says:
    @niceland

    These are not official CDC figures according to this:

    In your lengthy citation from this source, you neglected to include this pertinent information:

    The CDC data shows that most people who have died from COVID-19, about 79%, have been people ages 65 and older. People between 45 and 64 years old account for about 18% of COVID-19 deaths, and people under 45 years account for 2.8% of such deaths, according to the CDC’s data as of Aug. 6.

    The fact still remains, relatively young people are dying at rather low rates from this virus.

  134. @SBaker

    The virus is the primary invader, doing its damage in the respiratory tree, by breaking the protective barriers, to set the stage for the secondary bacterial components.

    An initial bacterial infection, especially in hospitals is likely to have infected patients sick with cold symptoms get tested by the fraudulent PCR (positive of course!) then the invasive practises of allopathic medicine with Pharma poisons and cool technology end up getting the desired outcome:

    A CoVid Death.

  135. @Charles Martel France

    You are daft.
    Don’t expect an explanation.

  136. @Tom Welsh

    It would be hardly surprising, too, if they bungled the attack so severely as to inflict more harm on their own people.

    Agreed – in fact with Talmudic Jews running the west, that would be a feature, not a bug.

    Not sure why Ron of all people can’t see that the Jews hate the Goyim and are doing everything possible to destroy the west; depopulation by Covid vax (vaxassination?), depopulation w/ chemicals that mimic hormones and destroy fertility, overrunning the west with low IQ / low civilization populations, queer ideology, genital mutilation of children, CRT & anti-white racism, fear of climate change so that those who could actually raise a family won’t, etc. etc. etc.

    The idea that the “leaders” who run the west are trying to preserve and advance western civilization and populations is completely absurd. Those who run the west (Jews) hate the west. Period.

    The idea that “our” government is working on behalf of its population is fucking retarded. So Ron is now either retarded or worse. What a serious drag considering the brilliant work he did exposing the Jew.

    • Agree: allergic2katz
  137. 1jonny says:
    @TheTrumanShow

    Covid exists. I’ve had it. Awhile back I caught the flu, about the same symptom-wise as I’ve had a number of times. A couple of months later I had Covid. It had some similarities in symptoms and some differences. Many others whom I know have had Covid and report the same thing. “It was a little bit like the flu, but different, as well.” I tested for Covid in both cases. In the first, I was negative. In the second, when it was somewhat like the flu, but somewhat different, I tested positive for Covid. BTW, it wasn’t as bad as the flu.

    You guys who draw the conclusion that Covid “has never, ever been conclusively demonstrated to exist” means that it doesn’t exist are thinking very wishfully. It’s common for people, otherwise intelligent, to put aside their normal reasoning ability to believe and promote poorly thought out crap just because it suits their agenda. It’s why the term “conspiracy theory” was easily able to be linked to the image of unshaven mental misfits in their mother’s basement. This that you seem to be promoting, that it doesn’t really exist, is the stupid crap that discredits legitimate, fact-based study of behind-the-scenes public manipulation.

  138. Wasn’t Covid-19 a joint venture by the US and China the parties who control both countries benefited by the plandemic.

  139. @Achmed E. Newman

    Ron Unz’s theory assumes that the perpetrators didn’t care or didn’t realize that the virus would spread around the world from China.

    When you recognize that the perpetrators DID NOT CARE, then you’re getting closer to the real crime here – the Jews hate the West and will do everything they can to destroy it including nuclear war with Russia.

    Ron – the JEWS HATE US. Start with that and then fix your ridiculously myopic theory.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  140. @Tucker

    Best description of Trump I’ve seen (and DeSantis).
    Your conclusions make so much more sense that poor Ron’s.

  141. SBaker says:
    @bike-anarkist

    Wow. You best stick with bike anarchy, something more suited to your knowledge base.

  142. @gay troll

    Especially when the RT PCR test cannot determine where the RNA comes from, only that it is RNA.

  143. Ed Kendrick says: • Website

    The US outsourced gain of function research to Wuhan in early 2015. https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/covid-19-origins-crimes-against-humanity/

    Amish and Ashkenazi Jews are least affected by the spike proteins. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32844124/

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  144. Anon[713] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tom Welsh

    A few years before the covid outbreak, I recall Adam Schiff, the US senator, going on the media stating that the West Nile outbreak could be a terrorist plot by Arabs against the US. I thought then; he’s just promoting more hatred and war mongering. Covid knocked that narrative out of the park, vis a vis middle eastern Arabs, but it made me aware that the US uses virus outbreaks for political reasons. If they do that, with such narratives about West Nile, who knows what they actually do in the labs ? Projecting on Arabs what they would like to do to them, followed by what they actually did to China; spreading the covid bioweapon to them [and targeted Iranians] and then blaming China when it boomeranged?

  145. @Mark G.

    Thank you. That was very well stated.

  146. skrik says:
    @A123

    Thank you for helping my credibility

    You’re ‘welcome,’ and since you regard ‘credibility = 0’ as ‘helping,’ we can assume your credibility started ‘from a low base,’ haw.

    easy to envision them stealing apparently healthy animals

    Well, all I can say is ‘easy for you to envision’ suggests an out of control fantasy state – reinforced by your allegation ‘known Iranian state operative.’ Haw#2. Also, we note that you do not contest ‘hasbarat.’

    Back towards reality, ‘Occam’s Razor’ must fit to ‘means, motive & opportunity;’ the world-wide blackest of hats demonstrably are zusa&Co. Only some psychotic grouping could construct SARS-CoV-2, let alone deliberately release it.

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
  147. Dnought says:
    @niceland

    First off-that “explanation” is from Politifact, who I trust about as much as my friendly neighborhood meth dealer in terms of honesty, accuracy and intellectual rigor.

    But beyond that, the text indicates that those survival rate figures were developed to be used as model inputs. Fine! I did mathermatical modeling in the transportation sector for over 25 years.

    In order to model travel behavior accurately I needed realistic estimates (derived from various surveys and observations) for numerous real-world travel behavior characteristics and socio-economic characteristics in order to develop accurate model parameters and calibrate/validate the models.

    Those CDC survival rates given in the initial table, as far as I can tell, are the Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) the number of the overall population that is infected, that is expected to survive infection.

    As a part of their “refutation” of the use of this CDC table as an accurate estimate of the overall survival rate, the Politifact “explainer” gives an overall fatality rate figure of 1.7% of reported cases again derived from CDC figures.

    But by definition that is the Case Fatality Rate a totally different animal, that again, only takes into account individuals whose cases were reported either by a doctor or a public health agency. But many cases obviously go unreported (including mine earlier this year), usually because the infection is so mild the individual doesn’t need medical attention. They may not even know they have “COVID”. This was certainly true even in 2020 when those figures were published, and accounts for the discrepency between the two estimates.

    Ask yourself this: why would CDC be using inaccurate figures as model inputs to forecast the effects on the health care system of the COVID pandemic? They wouldn’t, no responsible modeler would.

    • Replies: @niceland
  148. @SBaker

    And you blamed the Chinese who, for motives of their own, wanted to destroy American potential to reindustrialize (whether Trump was serious about or could actually bring about that end is moot). Unz claims the USA was using Covid to deindustrialize or at the very least, hamstring, China. Seems fairly symmetric to my eyes.

  149. @Truth Vigilante

    No, politeness isn’t your thing, I see 😉 .

    You may want to consider why Jesus chose to remain silent when he was asked “what is Truth?”. And also what kind of civilization you can expect if civility is not practiced.

    Things are not so simple as tend to think.

    But ask yourself this, perhaps: “would there be more or less free speech on the internet if Ron Unz decided to close down shop?” – I think the answer is obvious.

  150. @I'm still Goygeous

    Newman is a Jew himself, the China hate is the usual hasbara.

  151. Fuzzy says:

    I happened to be watching one of the Covid news conferences on TV in early April 2020. Pompeo and Trump were there along with Fauci. Pompeo says to Trump “It’s an exercise.” Then Trump retorts “Thanks for telling me.”

    My question has always been – Why was Fort Detrick closed in October 2019?

    Found it: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4875167/user-clip-mike-pompeo-live-exercise

  152. I gave up on this one, for everything seems to go back to a person named Toby Young. Things I read about this person are not at all reassuring.

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-sceptic-bias/

    ”Global warming started to run out of steam over two decades ago… Half of the apparent global temperature increase from January 1910 to January 2000 is due to administrative adjustments.”

    “Covid Vaccines More Likely to Put You in Hospital Than Keep You Out”

    More than twice as many Americans have lost a household member to a Covid vaccine injury as have lost one to Covid.

    “Natural variation explains a substantial part of global warming observed since 1850;” no statistical evidence that global warming is intensifying natural disasters, or making them more frequent.

    Mr. Young seems to me to be the sort who will publish anything.

    As an aside, while looking into the claims about US Intelligence knowing about the Covid Pandemic before China did, I found this:

    More to the point, the DNI’s annual briefing has repeatedly warned about the risk of a global pandemic. The intelligence community first raised the alert immediately after President Barack Obama took office in January 2009, when then-DNI Dennis Blair testified that, “The most pressing transnational health challenge for the United States is still the potential for emergence of a severe pandemic, with the primary candidate being a highly lethal influenza virus.” Following the 2009 H1N1 (swine flu) outbreak, Blair doubled down in 2010, highlighting the potential for a pandemic to disrupt the economy. A “lack of consistent surveillance and diagnostic capability for diseases in animals,” he said, “undermines the United States’ ability to identify, contain, and warn about local outbreaks before they spread.”

    Blair’s successor, James Clapper, delivered the same message in March 2013, but also refined the US assessment of the threat with prescient detail. Pointing to the growing danger posed by zoonotic viruses, he warned that “an easily transmissible, novel respiratory pathogen that kills or incapacitates more than one percent of its victims is among the most disruptive events possible. Such an outbreak would result in a global pandemic.”

    If US Agencies predict an epidemic every month or so, eventually they’re going to be “right”.

    The Spies Who Predicted COVID-19 | by Kent Harrington

    https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/us-intelligence-coronavirus-pandemic-by-kent-harrington-2020-04

  153. sally says:
    @Ghan-buri-Ghan

    mRNA vaccines being employed were based upon an entirely new biotechnology and had required the use of emergency waivers to circumvent what would have otherwise been a long and cautious clinical trial process.

    anyone with a grain of biological education would agree mRNA is not “an entirely new biology”. mRNA is a root element involved the translation of DNA to proteins. One thing mRNA is not, is a vaccine. mRNA is at the basis of protein production its been known about since the Watson and Crick first discovered DNA and the protein product schema. mRNA is a genetic element involved in many different biological processes. Change any one of the processes is a walk into the unknown and most likely will adversely affect about 2% of the population subjected to mRNA treatment. My 2% estimate is based on experience in the laboratory with cells in solution many moons ago. https://byjus.com/neet/difference-between-mrna-trna-and-rrna/

    I blame Ron for his refusal to investigate this matter much earlier then now. Comments providing data indicating mRNA was a dangerous thing to be playing with, were denied appearance on the website in the early days.. ..

    • Thanks: Pierre de Craon
  154. mike99588 says:
    @Curmudgeon

    ahem.

    There were many prior complaints that BSL4 in Chinese practice was not BSL4 in Europe or USA.
    ———–

    Although my corp biolab experience is four decades ago, the less regulated lab was more than 10x (100x?) more productive than the more formal labs working the same problem.

    Who was more successful? Depends on how you count.
    The less regulated lab solved all the immediate problems in under a year and some outside patents, moved on to other projects while still fighting downstream political stuff for some years.

    The more formal labs generated over 10x the infrastructure (>10x people etc) and collected grants and salaries for two decades, arriving a similar conclusions in somewhat greater detail but (copied?) same concepts. Personally, they collected huge payoffs for much less results per person per year.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  155. @H. L. M

    Exactly what I was going to write (except only three dots …).

  156. SteveK9 says:

    Begins !!!! My God !!!

    I read this paper in April 2020. I’m not even in the field and it was pretty damned obvious what the origins were.

    ‘A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence’

    Vineet D Menachery1, Boyd L Yount Jr1, Kari Debbink1,2, Sudhakar Agnihothram3, Lisa E Gralinski1, Jessica A Plante1, Rachel L Graham1, Trevor Scobey1, Xing-Yi Ge4, Eric F Donaldson1, Scott H Randell5,6, Antonio Lanzavecchia7, Wayne A Marasco8,9, Zhengli-Li Shi4 & Ralph S Baric1,2

    Note the names, Ralph S. Baric, and Zhengli-Li Shi. This paper is virtually a description of the development of SARS-Cov-2 with a few minor details changed.

    VOLUME 21 | NUMBER 12 | DECEMBER 2015 nature medicine

    I also posted this on this website almost 3 years ago.

    • Thanks: Emslander
  157. Tucker says:
    @DeepThroat

    So you are discounting the clearly obvious and easily proven evidence that Trump is probably one of the biggest and most easily manipulated imbeciles to ever take a dump into the toilet adjacent to the Oval Office?

    Let’s get serious here. If Trump were really as sneaky, conniving, devious and treasonous as you claim, and if he was fully involved and cognizant of the evil depopulation agenda behind these death jabs – why would he staff up his administration with so many Deep State, war mongering jewish neocons and globalist, open borders and amnesty supporting RINO slabs of dog manure? A truly clever and devious worm would have realized that he would tip off his critics by doing that, and they would question his sincerity for the America First, pro-MAGA, populist, Nationalist agenda.

    I don’t think that Trump has the intellectual ability to be trusted by the evil jewish cabal to be brought into a conspiracy that is this enormous. They hate his guts and I do not believe anyone who tries to say that the jewish hatred for Trump is fake and not legitimate. I am about 90 percent convinced that jews studied his personality and developed a psychiatric profile on the guy and knew how they could most easily capitalize on his abundance of character defects (narcissism, egotism, his being a conceited blowhard, etc.) and they manipulated the dumb NYC rube to do their bidding.

    I will also say this. If America was a 100 percent White European Christian nation and there were not a single jew allowed to reside inside our nation – Trump would be the absolutely perfect president, because his basic instincts seem to be good for such a nation. He does seem to care about America and at some level, I think he does notice that the nation is being subverted and deliberately destroyed from within. Unfortunately, he is dumber than 30 bags of 6 month old dog manure when it comes to him being able to grasp the identity of the race of subversives who are orchestrating the destruction of America.

    I mean, he has allowed his own family to be contaminated by the group who are working day and night to destroy White Western Nations.

    • Agree: 1jonny
  158. @Franz

    I think the Security State’s hair might get more than just a little mussed.

    Baahh, I wouldn’t wager a single dime on that and I’m the wagering kind if the odds are good.

    Let the parents try to prove the clot shot caused the harm. Just let them try. Good luck finding a coroner who will give that conclusion. Clearly, most of in that profession have been ‘”talked to”.

    Hell, try to have a legit conversation with your own Doc about anything Covid related. My experience is they smooth right past it without saying anything descriptive or conclusive. Majority of Docs are EMPLOYEES now – they do as instructed at risk of losing their jobs and big incomes.

    TPTB have many more actions they can deploy should things start to get a little too hot. Sooo many things could be done to distract the ADD public and it would work, no problem.

    • Agree: 1jonny
    • Replies: @Franz
  159. The Smart People are a hopelessly fanatic religious faithful. They will never stop praying at the Altar of Citations From Credible Sources in the Church of Well-Actually.

    They cannot, will not admit they’ve been had. So they double-down on their religious dogma. It’s all they have left.

    I have nothing but pity left for people still seeking truth and validation in “official” data.

  160. Wild Man says:
    @gay troll

    I like your take on the middle parts of the potential narrative you present, as to: ‘Covid phenomenon: What actually happened’.

    But on the origins: You might be right but there are those that would argue hard against that. It does sound within the realm of possibility to me, despite these criticisms. But as well, the origins issue might be more sinister. I wonder about that, because I still wonder why didn’t the CCP tell the world when they were being made a patsy of, and prove it by widely releasing the links between Dr. Shi’s work and Ralph Baric’s work, instead of doing the opposite and censoring those links, and doing that quite early on, by September 12, 2019? There is still a story to be told there, ….. like I start to wonder, is the PLA so important and so powerful an organization within China, that they get to shove the Party around, and force the opposite of what would be a geo-political victory, by the medium-term, because the PLA wanted to protect their bioweapon turf? I mean, if it’s that, then, I start to think to myself – holy crap …. this means we are in the midst of a biowar! This all seems rather dark to me, instead of rather innocent (on the origins).

    So that leaves, for examination, your concluding remarks about the – ‘Covid phenomenon: What actually happened’:

    “The intent of the vaccines was to force mutations on the circulating SARS2 spike protein, so that circulating SARS2 would be less dangerous overall to everybody (whether vaccinated or not). By this metric the vaccines spread to have accomplished their goal. At some point we are going to be left with another endemic human coronavirus.”

    I hope so, but there is still elevated excess all-cause mortality in many western jurisdictions. And it looks to be vaxx-mediated. The vaxx mediation may be as simple as mostly consisting of a potentiating of covid, …. covid that perhaps has been under-reported all along. Mmmmm gay troll, you are one smart cookie. I guess that is what you are saying – eh? In your estimation then, …. when do we come out of this?, …. I mean, when do the authorities stop recommending vaxxes, that according to your scenario (perhaps) drives clade-variant-spikes, with the associated spikes in illness and death, to avoid worse spikes in illness and death that may have occurred without the vaxx-fast-lane emerging as a tool to drive the emergence and spiking of less lethal clade variants? Also, I dunno ….. it sounds a bit like that first episode of Black Mirror to me, ….. bizarre and surreal. It seems like your narrative is about manipulation upon manipulation, to hide even earlier manipulations, all done in order to maintain the manipulative order of things. All well and good but what is this ‘manipulative order of things’ all about, and why does Deep State seem to love mRNA tech so much, when it is not yet ready for prime time? In other words, what is Deep State’s agenda really about, around all this manipulative activity? I tend to think this might be about forcing the mRNA tech well before it is ready for prime time, so as to work out all the kinks on us guinea pigs, for what is actually a hidden ulterior transhumanist agenda of life extension research (which is just a conjecture), whereas you seem to believe that the fact the mRNA tech doesn’t work, and in fact probably potentiates covid, is a feature not a bug. I mean, thinking this through, … I guess I still really don’t get it, your stance. I don’t sense that mRNA tech, useful as an anti-antidote then, I guess, would feature much, after this episode, …. yet it seems there is only a growing list of new mRNA tech research and apps in the works, announced since Jan 1st.

    I hope no offense taken. What you are doing is what is needed, – offering conjectures. Just thinking out loud.

    • Replies: @Random Anonymous
  161. A123 says: • Website
    @skrik

    Thank you for helping my credibility. Being attacked by a known Iranian state operative, such as yourself, makes my case much more convincing.

    You’re ‘welcome’.

    Your admission that you are an Iranian state operative is appreciated.

    Non-scientist staff (e.g. security, building maintenance) are not particularly well paid. It is fairly easy to envision them stealing apparently healthy animals slated for destruction. They would then transport them to a place where they could be sold for personal profit, such as the Wuhan Wet Market.

    ‘Occam’s Razor’ must fit to ‘means, motive & opportunity;’

    MEANS = Carrying a cage with an animal in it is pretty easy
    MOTIVE = Personal (though petty) gain
    OPPORTUNITY = Building Security Staff access to the complex

    This is vastly more probable than a thriller scheme that sounds like a Tom Clancy novel.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @skrik
  162. Rooster16 says:
    @botazefa

    I believe China’s zero-covid policy really didn’t have anything to do with Covid. I think it was a bit of an experiment to see what effects a hard lockdown would have on future pathogens that possibly could be more deadly; prepare with a virus they know is pretty mild. They were also gauging how obedient the citizenry was to their demands, and how far they could push the limit before people started to break.

    They also knew shutting down would affect American supply chains greatly, and have financial ramifications within the U.S. With the BRICS alliance growing stronger, taking a stealth swipe at the U.S. financial system, they could be pressure testing us for future attacks.

    • Replies: @Voltara
  163. @niceland

    I don’t know what caused the jump at the start of 2020, but it’s interesting that the spike in late 2021 coincides pretty well with Biden’s various vaccine mandates, which is what got me a lot more interested in the vaxx issue in late summer/fall, because I was subject to them. The smaller spike later in 2021 coincides pretty well with the December deadline to get vaxxed or get fired. Not saying that’s definitely the cause, but maybe connected.

    • Replies: @niceland
  164. Judd says:

    i trust malone as far as i can throw him

    • Agree: QCIC
    • LOL: Zane
  165. @SBaker

    I don’t know that what bike-anarkist says is true, but it seems fairly plausible. Do you have some evidence that it’s not?

  166. @Tucker

    I am not a fan of Ron DeSantis, other than approving of him remaining as governor of Florida; this guy has Deep State war monger written all over him.

    Ya think?

    https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/i-was-screaming-and-he-was-smiling:-desantis-ran-guantanamo

  167. niceland says:
    @Dnought

    Thankfully we don’t have to rely on fact checkers, because they provide link to follow:
    The document these supisious figures came from is here:
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios-archive/planning-ccenarios-2021-03-19.pdf

    Last updated sept 2020

    Same or similar planning scenario, later version is here;
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html#box1
    Last updated april 2021

    It contains these figures;

    Infection fatality ratio (Estimated number of deaths per 1,000,000 infections)†

    0–17 years old: 20
    18–49 years old: 500
    50–64 years old: 6,000
    65+ years old: 90,000

    † These estimates are based on age-specific estimates of infection fatality ratios from Levin AT, Hanage WP, Owusu-Boaitey N, et al. Assessing the age specificity of infection fatality rates for COVID-19: Systematic review, meta-analysis, and public policy implications. Euro J Epidemiol. 2020; 35(12):1123–1135.

    Using a meta regression of data from England, France, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Geneva (Switzerland), Belgium, Sweden, Ontario (Canada), and 12 U.S. locations (Atlanta, Georgia; Connecticut; Indiana; Louisiana; Miami;, Minneapolis, Minnesota; Missouri; New York; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; Salt Lake City, Utah; San Francisco, California; and Seattle, Washington), Levin et al. produced estimates of IFR and associated 95% confidence intervals for 0.5–year age bands from 1 to 96 years old. To obtain the estimated values for each scenario, the IFR estimates by age were averaged to broader age groups, using weights based on the age distribution of cases from COVID-19 Case Surveillance Data reported by February 14, 2021 (public use version of data: https://data.cdc.gov/Case-Surveillance/COVID-19-Case-Surveillance-Public-Use-Data/vbim-akqf).

    So in April 2021 the CDC is using research that appeared in European Journal of Epidemiology in 2020 as source for IFR numbers.

    I don’t think these count as official CDC figures either.

    • Thanks: Dnought
  168. H. L. M says:
    @govno

    Yes, Ron has made himself a laughing stock by repeating the jew world order “operation covid” propaganda.

    Only a fool would buy into it, much less repeat it– unless he has an agenda.

    • Agree: Emslander
    • Replies: @Thomm
  169. People are having to go into hiding to avoid being institutionalised and forcibly injected with Covid vaccines against their will. Especially if they’re 85 year old Russian survivors of Nazi concentration camps living in Germany:

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2023/01/15/germany-orders-russian-holocaust-survivor-institutionalized-because-she-refused-the-covid-19-shot/

    So if you fit the intersectionality of 85 year old, female, Nazi concentration camp survivor, music composer, living in Germany you better go into hiding. On the other hand, even if you don’t fit this intersectionality you better run and hide from forcible injection of Covid vaccines. At least in Germany. You’ve been warned.

  170. @anonymous

    The call for the indictment for fraud of the senior corporate leadership of the Big Pharma firms involved in the Fauci-Funded US Bioweapon, could turn out to be a piece of strategic genius.

    Fraud is the ultimate solvent, contractually speaking.

    If fraud is proved against the major players – in how they doctored and massaged the data they presented to get the EUA for their Magic Jizz – then all their immunity from lawsuit goes away.

    This is – almost certainly – why the corrupt shitbags at the FDA and CDC have been hell-bent on getting the ClotShots into the quasi-mandatory childhood vaccine schedule.

    [MORE]

    If they get the ClotShot into that, they get the liability protection afforded by Bruesewitz v. Wyeth LLC 562 U.S. 223 [2011].

    It’s worth noting that
     ▪️ Wyeth is now part of Pfizer (it was acquired by Pfizer in 2009*); and
     ▪️ the majority opinion in Bruesewitz was written by obese Opus Dei whackball self-flagellator Scalia – who fortunately is now dead and can do no more harm.

    FWIW: that decision shows – decisively, and irrefutably – that the BlackRobes have absolutely no fucking idea how the human immune system is impacted by pharmaceuticals: Scalia’s opinion asserts that

    “A side effect of a vaccine could always have been avoidable by use of a differently designed vaccine not containing the harmful element. The language of the provision thus suggests that the design of the vaccine is a given, not subject to question in the tort action. What the statute establishes as a complete defense must be unavoidability (given safe manufacture and warning) with respect to the particular design. Which plainly implies that the design itself is not open to question.” – bold emphasis mine.

    I guess it’s OK that the SCOTUS majority reveal themselves to be ignorant fuckwits, because the Pharma companies themselves also have no idea how their stuff works (assuming arguendo that it ‘works’)… and furthermore they are not remotely interested in finding out.

    Still… Bruesewitz was one of the cases that further hardened my already long-held view that the BlackRobes are power’s lickspittles, and that We The Livestock should not live in the vain hope that the judicial branch will prevent the descent into tyranny.

    And what I’ve seen since 2020 in this regard – where judiciaries the world over have written copious justifications for the obvious breaches of Human Rights conventions that governments have perpetrated – has just made that fact more obvious.

    If tyranny is to be prevented, it wil be through blood and iron,: appealing to government-controlled mechanisms for redress of government malfeasance is wasting everyone’s time and energy.

    It’s machete time. There’s only a few thousand of these pieces of shit in each country; the unpleasantness could be done with in an afternoon.

    There is justification for overthrowing government as it is currently configured throughout the Empire of Lies: in fact we are obligated to do so according to the document that furnished the raison d’être of the united States –

    But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

    [*] Bruesewitz concerned vaccine-induced harm that related to a Wyeth product that pre-dated the acquisition of Wyeth by Pfizer.

  171. @Fuzzy

    Thanks for the link. I can see how some might take that literally, or as a slip, but surely it’s more plausible that it’s a metaphor or analogy. I.e., it’s “not a drill”. Also, I don’t hear Trump saying “Thanks for telling me.”

  172. meamjojo says:

    “Well over a million Americans died in the epidemic and if this tragedy came to be seen as the blowback from a botched American biowarfare attack, the impact might be staggering.”

    The above statement is completely invalid and therefore brings into question all else that you premise.

    Most people didn’t die FROM Covid but instead from some other sickness WITH Covid.

    • Agree: Zane
  173. @Fuzzy

    Yes, that detail has always bothered me. Very specifically, Pompeo says, “We’re in a live exercise here”.

    Trump, behind him, mumbles but it’s audible, “you should have let us know.” So,WTH is that all about?

    I will add that it was very obvious that at several (many?) points in time in 2020, Trump seemed absolutely drugged. Like Valium had been put in his food. He spoke slower with words garbled a bit, his eyes looked glassy and he delivered his speech or impromptu monologue like a zombie. The best example of it is his State of the Union speech in 2020. Unreal. Pelosi was asked about that the next day and she said something to the effect, “he seemed drugged or something”. Yea, because I bet she knew that he had been.

  174. @Wild Man

    I also liked gay troll’s comment. Your reference to Black Mirror reminded me of another TV show I recommended to my family and friends. Here is what I wrote:

    [MORE]

    I’ve been watching this British TV series “Utopia” on YT [not the US remake]. If you want to watch it, that’s the place to do so. The version on Amazon is cut in ways I need not go into (google it if you care), especially visually. There were two 6-episode seasons, about 0:50 hours/episode.

    I thought it might be interesting because the plot involves a vaccine conspiracy, it was very highly rated, and I like movies and shows that take me to other places and times (though in this case it’s contemporary). Halfway through the second episode of the second season, I don’t rate it as highly as that, but it is definitely interesting and unusual.

    The most immediately obvious is that the visual style uses an unusual color palette, as well as a lot of shots of empty landscapes, usually urban — probably not too realistic for the UK. It’s kind of relentlessly creepy, although not intensely so, and as part of that, a little gory, though not extremely so. That actually makes it less than inviting to watch, and makes each episode seem rather long to me. It’s an unusual combination of mystery/thriller, creepiness, and shades of black humor and satire of government, bureaucracy, and media. In fact, it’s the unusual degree of black humor in the current episode that made me want to pause the show and write this. I was going to wait until I finished the whole thing.

    I went into it knowing little more than what I wrote in the first and second paragraphs. If you’re interested, I’d suggest minimal additional research, to avoid spoiler effects and maximize impact. I’m sure it won’t be everyone’s cup of tea, perhaps none of yours.

    After finishing it, I give it thumbs up.

  175. niceland says:
    @Random Anonymous

    I don’t know what caused the jump at the start of 2020, but it’s interesting that the spike in late 2021 coincides pretty well with Biden’s various vaccine mandates,

    The strange thing is, the hills and peaks during the pandemic years seen on this plot are not visible in most countries for this age group. In some countries you can’t find the pandemic years on similar plot for the same age group. It’s not there. They have death deficit over the pandemic years for working age group 15-65.

    I think the U.S. pandemic experience is unparalleled across the world for young people. The rest of the total death statistics for the U.S. is along the same lines. I am not sure if it’s positive for the U.S. but those countries who could possibly have messed up the pandemic response as badly – due to extreme poverty, corruption or bad leadership – don’t have any statistics.

  176. @DeepThroat

    COVID is about fixing a demographic problem in western nations.

    If that was genuinely part of the objective, “they” should’ve made sure that their preferred countermeasure (the jabs) didn’t affect fertility.

    Western-nation TFRs are falling, and have been for quite some time.

    It’s true that COVID itself killed inform old people preferentially – the extent to which that’s true is confounded by the fact that it gave the health industry ‘cover’ to knock off infirm elderly people who were clogging up returement homes and failing to die on cue. The massive increase in the use of midazolam in UK retirement settings is pretty clear evidence of that.

    Still: those aged-infirm had an expected remaining lifespan of about 6 months – so getting rid of them a few months early doesn’t help much.

    The real demograp0hic problem faced by the developed world: Boomers are the largest cohort, with the most savings, and the most invested in risk assets.

    That cohort is retiring now, and as a direct result will move away from risk assets. The cohort taking their place – GenX – is much smaller; has far less savings; and is far less invested.

    I’m not usually one to sing the praises of Peter Zeihan – who is usually spouting whatever the State Department wants midwit-normies to think. So Zeihan can’t speak on any topic without mentioning how the US Navy subsidised global trade since WWII (the new “White Man’s Burden“).

    That said: Zeihan’s recent piece on the demographic issues confronted by the West (really, by industrialised nations generally) is excellent – once you get past the bit where he blathers about US CBGs making the seas safe for global trade.

    It’s a bit more than nine minutes long, and it should be quite sobering. Watch it or don’t, but know this: government responses to COVID were the exact opposite of what élite supervillains would do if they were had objectives that included ‘fixing a demographic problem in western nations‘. Killing a few tens of thousands of sickly octagenarians who were going to die in 6 months anyway, is more than offset by the deleterious consequences for healthy-people incomes, savings, sanity and reproduction.

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @HbutnotG
    , @QCIC
  177. Ron Unz says:
    @Zachary Smith

    I gave up on this one, for everything seems to go back to a person named Toby Young. Things I read about this person are not at all reassuring.

    Toby Young is a reasonably prominent conservative journalist and public intellectual in Britain, just as I had said. Since you’re not a conservative, you regard his views as anathema, but that’s being foolish. Moreover, his website is a prominent alt-Covid publication, so it unsurprisingly promotes alt-Covid views. And you also might want to take a look at this:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/two-cheers-for-heresy-on-global-warming/

    As an aside, while looking into the claims about US Intelligence knowing about the Covid Pandemic before China did, I found this…If US Agencies predict an epidemic every month or so, eventually they’re going to be “right”.

    It’s important to carefully consider these particular examples. After the outbreaks of SARS-1 in 2002 and MERS in 2012, it’s hardly surprising that both the American government and international bodies would be concerned about possible future epidemics, run exercises, and periodically issue warnings. There is absolutely nothing suspicious about these, which took place every few years, including the examples your article you cited in 2009 and 2010.

    However, that’s extremely different from the case discussed in my article. During the first eight months of 2019, Robert Kadlec, America’s leading biowarfare advocate, ran the Crimson Contagion exercise, preparing America for defense against a dangerous Covid-like respiratory virus if one happened to appear in China. Then Two months after the end of that exercise, Covid suddenly appeared in Wuhan. That seems like an absolutely extraordinary coincidence.

    If someone takes out an extremely large fire insurance policy on his factory and it burns down, well, such things happen. But if the factory burns down just a few weeks after the policy was signed, the insurance company becomes extremely suspicious.

    Finally, I should emphasize to everyone that this is not a vaxxing thread, and such comments are seriously off-topic. My previous two articles focused on vaxxing, and you’re certainly welcome to leave your vaxxing comments there or on other vaxxing-related threads. But not this one.

  178. Wild Man says:
    @gay troll

    Hello again. Further to the conjecture I offered in my first response comment (#166):

    I tend to think this might be about forcing the mRNA tech well before it is ready for prime time, so as to work out all the kinks on us guinea pigs, for what is actually a hidden ulterior transhumanist agenda of life extension research (which is just a conjecture),

    , ….. note the Sam Harris take here:

    https://www.infowars.com/posts/wtf-sam-harris-complains-not-enough-children-died-during-pandemic-to-derail-vaccine-skepticism/

    , ….. as an example of what I mean, ….. a certain attitude common among the technocratic elites, ….. as if their life counted, as a much older person, as much as child’s life …… like to me, the only way the attitude would make any sense in terms of the persona’s (Sam Harris’s) worldview, is if he thought that for all intents and purposes, his life expectancy was the same as a child’s. Mmmmmm? It seems to me there is a lot of this such BS (pretty much a stance of ‘radical individualism postmodernist-style), laying about, simmering in the background, within officialdom circles, that would indeed seek to excuse a grand transhumanist-technocratic-faux-west-globalist mRNA life-extension research project at the expense of the greater population, amongst themselves, as enabled by the postmodernist radical individualistic outlook.

    Look, Sam Harris asks for it, because he is in the philosophy/ethics game. He should know better. Is this all fantasy or is there actually something simmering in the background, with the likes of Sam Harris and his ilk, by way of his implied wonky postmodernist radical individualistic worldview? In other words, … just how far along, are these nuts, with respect to executing their professed frightening technocratic faux-west globalist future, post-history-style or neoliberal-style or what ever you want to call it, with its fake rules based order and all that?

  179. HbutnotG says:

    3 Points (because looking at this article costed me 45 minutes of my life I will never get back)

    1. Clickbait. Dr Malone is one of the very few people I will listen to regarding the virus or the novel mRNA mechanism of the (under researched-untested) vaccine. I clicked on this hoping he was going to talk about the origin – i.e., what was this “gain of function” business I’ve heard tidbits about here & there, and the term “Adenovirus” that was present in that discussion. Known for at least 40 years, Adenovirus causes myocarditis (Coronavirus not commonly known to). Myocarditis is the hallmark of the Adenovirus class. Nope. Nothing. Just some connect some vague CIA-dots baloney I’d be unlikely to consult Dr Malone about.

    BUT

    2. Trump was apparently completely left in the dark regarding the virus. Apparently HIS agencies working under him (or somebody responsible for relaying the info to him) kept it from him. He was clueless. You want someone like him in the White House? Not me. Stick to high end real estate Donnie. We’ve got Russia’s dander up. Not a time for entertainment figures running the country.

    3. So, like, why (and who) would be interested in fucking China’s economy? My goodness. Where would we get our goddamned toys from? We don’t make anything here – we just wrap, ship, and bill.

  180. Anonymous[295] • Disclaimer says:

    Too funny.

    • Thanks: JimDandy
    • Replies: @Wild Man
  181. Wait…so it IS real now and definitely NOT fake and gay?
    The muh “alternative” media is certainly NOT reinforcing the mainstream narrative that it IS real and in no way fake and/or gay?

    Interdasting. Very interdasting.

  182. HbutnotG says:
    @Kratoklastes

    Oh cry me a river.

    For petesakes, not only the largest workforce but now the nit goes off to work too to potentially double the workforce again?? And to top it off, they shipped all the manufacturing off to China, so that we could TRIPLE x 4 (12x) the number of clerks (each drawing pay) behind each and everything you consume? And 2 paychecks are of course going to double the price of a house. You charge what you can get. Frankly I’m not a bit surprised a Lean Cuisine costs $5 and a pizza pie $40. It’s simple math.

    This is 3rd grade arithmetic. Don’t you learn anything in those biz degree courses?

    And, of course GenX is hostile to boomers (especially the white guy) because the poor fucker was born too godamned late and now is catching on to that ugly fact. [but, don’t blame me – I’m quite sure I didn’t fertilize that egg]

  183. Daemon says:
    @How do you know its a real Durer

    If you look at the headlines from the Chinese side from early 2021, say this piece
    https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1183658.shtml
    you will find that the Chinese have already identified possible individuals who may be vectors to have brought covid into the country. It would not have been smuggled in as a bottle of pathogens or something that could be decisively concluded as a smoking gun – the risk for blowback would have been too large. It would be placed somewhere where it cannot be searched: inside the human body. It is highly likely some grunt signed some NDA for some important “experimental” shots in exchange for material rewards or perhaps blackmail, not knowing he or she was signing up for covert biowarfare action.

    All China had to do to connect the dots is to rely on the vast array of surveillance tools they have on hand and they will have a pretty good idea of who brought it in.

  184. Voltara says:

    Looks like the limited hangout pivot is ON and Ron got the memo

  185. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:

    All right, lext lemma: So evidently somebody precisely coordinated years of intricate programs of the State Department, HHS, DHS, DoD, and other cabinet-level agencies (down to the last-minute micromanagement of firing the HHS domain experts and putting grunts and FEMA nitwits in charge.) This was effected covertly at the most stringent levels of classification and compartmentation (recall that SCIFs are CIA’s Sensitive Compartmented Information Facilities.)

    As in CIA’s AMERITHRAX attack on civilian populations, the smoking gun is state signaling and war propaganda to obscure attribution and support legal pretexts for additional illegal acts. (see MacQueen, The 2001 Anthrax Deception.) As in CIA’s AMERITHRAX attack on civilian populations, the attack rests on manifest development and use of banned biological weapons – federal felonies under BWATA and, more to the point, crimes against peace under the 1929 Geneva Convention.

    Whatever you want to call these guys, it’s sure as shit not “the deeper recesses” of anything. This is the apical command structure of the US state, the highest levels. As you will see, it’s CIA, who continued germ warfare covertly when Nixon criminalized it – CIA, not rogue, not out of control, but firmly in control. Your government is CIA; decapitate that and we’re off the hook, you won’t get nuked.

    When it’s time for scumbags to swing for this in universal jurisdiction, you know where to look.

  186. @Random Anonymous

    I don’t mind Ron hiding most of my comment under a More tag, I should have done that myself, but I do want to put this part “above the fold”: “I thought [the British TV series ‘Utopia’] might be interesting because the plot involves a vaccine conspiracy, it was very highly rated, [etc.]”

  187. Finally, I should emphasize to everyone that this is not a vaxxing thread, and such comments are seriously off-topic.

    If had you bothered to look at the Media Bias link you’d have seen that Mr. Toby Young is currently milking the Covid 19 hobby horse for all it’s worth. I provided only the two examples of his anti-vaxxer views because reprinting all 11 of them seemed to be excessive.

    Since you’re not a conservative, you regard his views as anathema, but that’s being foolish.

    I happen to be an USian American living in the State of Indiana. As such, I don’t give a hoot about the politics of some far-away UK nutcase. My objection to the man is that he is an unscrupulous self-promoting ass.
    Disclaimer: I am aware this thread is not about Women’s Cleavage, and the following “quotes” about that are solely to display one of the character traits of the Boy Wonder Young.

    Toby Young: writer who is no stranger to controversy

     While watching Comic Relief in 2009 he commented: “What happened to Winkleman’s breasts Put on some weight girlie.” A few hours later he wrote: “Alan Carr has bigger breasts than Claudia Winkelman” (sic)

    While watching Prime Minister’s Questions in 2011 he wrote: “That’s quite a cleavage behind EdM.”

    In 2012 during PMQs he tweeted: “Serious cleavage behind Ed Miliband’s head. Anyone know who it belongs to? #pmqs”

    He followed it up with “Breaking: Cleavage belongs to @pamela_nash #pmqs”, referring to former Airdrie and Shotts MP Pamela Nash.

    In 2013 he responded to criticism of his previous comments by saying: “Women who display a lot of cleavage shouldn’t then complain when men notice them.”

    Mr. Toby Young had an earlier run at trying for fame – promoting Eugenics.

    In 2015 he wrote in support of embryo screening to weed out children deemed less likely to have high IQs.

    Mr. Toby Young will do anything to get attention and to promote himself. One more example of that from a wiki which he is said to endlessly edit:

    One tweet by Young was in response to a BBC Comic Relief appeal in 2009 for starving Kenyan children.[104] During the broadcast, a Twitter user commented that she had “gone through about 5 boxes of kleenex” whilst watching. Toby Young replied: “Me too, I havn’t [sic] wanked so much in ages”.[105]


    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I ought to have been more explicit in my first post about the exact point the ‘logic’ of this story started falling apart for me.

    Here’s something that’s been bugging me. How did U.S. intelligence analysts pick up on what they deemed a dangerous novel virus in China at a time when there’s no good evidence China had picked up on it or was concerned?

    I have “no good evidence” Mr. Ron Unz knows how to tie his shoe laces. Nor have I seen any convincing demonstration Mr. Unz knows the difference between football and basketball. Am I therefore entitled to write a long essay starting on the basis of things “I don’t know” into a tale of the owner of the Unz Review being an extremely strange fellow? I don’t think so.

    Mr. Toby Young (UK Conservative) is a less successful version of RFK Jr. (US Liberal). Both are attention-seeking jerks who are milking the Covid Pandemic for all it’s worth.

    *** The assumption China doesn’t keep close track of events within China is quite unbelievable. ***

    I’m OK with Covid being a US biowar stunt directed against China. China being a clueless babe in the woods about such a project is not so OK. That’s why I’m also easily persuaded there may be a connection between a potential Covid biowar project in China to the $4/dozen eggs I saw today at the supermarket.

  188. Wild Man says:
    @Anonymous

    Wow. Just watched the whole 5:29 clip. It is worse than I thought (comment #184). OK, we actually have Sam Harris here, shamelessly out there shilling (academaically) for coming rRNA tech onslaught (if you read between his lines … lord is he so transparent). Sam Harris = globalist shill. Do’in his part. Too pedestrian to be suitable for any other purpose.

  189. @New Dealer

    “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery” – Oscar Wilde

  190. Voltara says:
    @Rooster16

    China’s zero covid policy ended the moment the public turned against it.

    The reports out of China emphasised the totalitarian nature of the policy. People being welded into their homes, starved, their dogs shot, daily testing, queuing all night in the rain, faceless armies of goons in white coveralls, etc.

    The Chinese claimed almost zero deaths – so their policies, though brutal, were “successful”.

    Message = lockdowns and restrictions “save lives”.

    No mRNA vaccines available in China.

    Western media now claims Chinese cases and deaths “skyrocketing”.

    Western lockdowns/passports/mandates now appear moderate compared to China’s.

    China suffers brutal restrictions but necessary because no vaccines.

    The west avoids more brutal restrictions and saves lives thanks to vaccines.

    Western lockdowns/mandates appear moderate

    Chinese lockdowns/mandates save lives

    Vaccines = doubleplusgood

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  191. Liza says:

    “Germs” don’t cause disease; disease causes germs. That 99% of the population wants to always blame something “out there” for acute respiratory “infectious” syndromes is an ominous sign indeed. It used to be evil constellations or demonic entities, but they’ve been renamed “viruses”. LOL.

  192. @1jonny

    How do you know that you actuallly had covid? The tests aren’t accurate and the supposed gold standard the rtPCR test is prone to providing false postives and the late Kary Mullis is rolling in his grave over its use to detect a virus.Can you even determine from an autopsy that somebody died from covid and ,if so, how is it done?

    • Replies: @1jonny
  193. @Kratoklastes

    I’ve known a lot of judges in the Angoshere’s highest courts of appeal and I cannot accept your

    my already long-held view that the BlackRobes are power’s lickspittles

    Of course they are not immune from having acquired ignorant prejudices from upbringing or (higher) education or Zeitgeist but being conditioned to being anyone’s “lickspittles” is simply not the way of the ablest products of legal education.

  194. The Covid pandemic is probably the financial crime of the century.Can someone figure out how much was misspent and who benefited from the largesse?

  195. Ron Unz says:
    @Zachary Smith

    If had you bothered to look at the Media Bias link you’d have seen that Mr. Toby Young is currently milking the Covid 19 hobby horse for all it’s worth. I provided only the two examples of his anti-vaxxer views because reprinting all 11 of them seemed to be excessive.

    Just out of curiosity, I went to that Media Bias link and glanced at all the nasty things they said about Young and his Daily Sceptic website. Okay.

    But I think it’s important to calibrate the credibility of that Media Bias website: “Who Guards the Guardians?”

    My impression is that you’re an anti-Zionist leftist of some sort. And here’s how Media Bias described the Mondoweiss website: “Antisemitic Propaganda, Hate Group, Misinformation.”

    I suspect that your opinion of Mondoweiss is quite different. And if you discover that website so sharply mischaracterizes Mondoweiss, perhaps you should be more caution in believing it on other matters.

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @RobinG
  196. Notsofast says:
    @Zachary Smith

    agree….we need more discussion of the furin cleavage site

    • LOL: Random Anonymous
    • Replies: @skrik
  197. @Daemon

    Yes, by December 2019 they had “connected the dots” to 5 soldier athletes who had gotten fevers during the games.

    This timeline puts the Chinese theory of US military involvement, I.e likely bio-weapon attack before the VOA piece.

    If the US is going to infect some grunt, how do they stop any blowback before leaving the country? If they took a plane over, how do you prevent all the other athletes from getting sick? How did only 5 soldiers get a fever during their time in Wuhan and not more? Why not just infect someone and send them in the country as a civilian? Using your own soldiers seems too obvious, especially when they danger of “leakage” is so high.

    Funny enough, while researching I encountered many “where are they now” pieces about the 5 soldiers. Reminded me of the dancing Israeli interviews from Israeli TV..

    https://zhidao.baidu.com/question/1502920493993687219/answer/3630726886.html

    Summary is that no news exists about them after returning to America. Spooky.

  198. H. L. M says:
    @Anon

    Thank you.

    Writers analyzing a hoax using lies, propaganda and misinformation!

  199. @RoatanBill

    Lotypova’s substack:

    https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/it-doesnt-add-up

    This was the first time I saw her. Thank you sir!

  200. Skeptikal says:

    “Despite its growing visibility, the website’s subject matter and British focus meant that I’d been only slightly aware it until a few weeks ago”

    Hilarious. As usual, Ron Unz just wasn’t paying attention. Regardless of the intelligent information available at his very own forum.

    Ron Unz is always behind the curve. But notice his gratuitous kick at the supposed crazy alt-covid sites. Hmm, where do you think Toby Young was getting his information? Answer: From just these types of sites—people who on their own time and using their own resources, lacking the resources of the government and established research organizations did the analyses that the official sources were ignoring and actively suppressing. And many formerly high-profile scientists were of course sidelined from the MSM in this process but were still able to provide cogent analysis to the (curious, attention-paying, truth-seeking) public. They were also offering the public solid information—that part of the public who searched for it. This did not include Mr. Unz.

    It is the commenters —all of those “anti-vaxxers”—who are way out ahead, certainly in the matter of covid.

    I wonder why?

    Could it be because those “fearful anti-vaxxers” were actually the ones out on the cutting edge of truth seeking and cutting through the BS in this new world of 24/7 propaganda?

    As for me, I was aware of Lockdown Sceptic as soon as it went online. I don’t know why it has taken Ron Unz so long.

    Perhaps Mr. Unz has been so invested in spending his time and his column inches insulting his commenters that he has fallen 2.5 years behind. At this point he should at least say Thank-you to his commenters for leading the way.

    Oh, BTW, also hysterical is the new Unz usage “alt=covid.” What is wrong now with “anti-vaxxer”?????

    Did a memo go out to eschew “anti-vaxxer” and switch to “alt-covid”??

    Can Ron Unz actually think for himself?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  201. Eric94123 says:
    @RoatanBill

    I agree that Covid-19 is a bio-engineered virus (or just bio-weapon as David Martin would say) deliberately released. The whole false dichotomy discussion (is it natural – is it accidental release) pretty much shows that. Mainstream media always stays with natural/accidental false dichotomy.

    What I can’t understand is how Ron Unz can, on the one hand, assert deliberate release, and yet seem to believe that the vaccine is somehow benign. It’s clear that deliberate release and vaccine were created by the same parties. How could vaccine ever possibly be benign? Unless Ron believes deliberate release was also benign.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  202. Ron Unz says:
    @Skeptikal

    Hilarious. As usual, Ron Unz just wasn’t paying attention. Regardless of the intelligent information available at his very own forum…Ron Unz is always behind the curve…As for me, I was aware of Lockdown Sceptic as soon as it went online. I don’t know why it has taken Ron Unz so long.

    I gave the explanation very clearly right at the beginning. My impression is that Lockdown Sceptic focused very heavily upon lockdowns, masking, social distancing, the dangerousness of the Covid virus, and eventually vaxxing. None of these topics have been of much interest to me, so why would I pay attention to a British website concentrating on them? Since you were interested in those topics, you naturally did.

    Did a memo go out to eschew “anti-vaxxer” and switch to “alt-covid”??

    Not really. I’d define alt-Covid as a super-set including anti-vaxxers but also including those who have alternative views on lockdowns, masking, HCQ/IVM, the dangerousness of the virus, and everything else connected with Covid.

    If you don’t like the alt-Covid term I just invented, what would you call them?

  203. The majority of Americans are so totally brainwashed that NOTHING will convince them that their governing elites are capable of this crime, even though it is just one of thousands such crimes, if a huge one, committed by the USA since its inception. As Freud supposedly observed, America is a mistake. Humanity’s Nemesis.

    • Replies: @RestiveUs
  204. QCIC says:
    @Kratoklastes

    In the context of maintaining our prosperous high tech USA society, I think the main problem is the decline of meritocracy much more than demographics.

    Superstars have been replaced by stars,
    Stars have been replaced by midwits,
    Midwits have been replaced by dimwits,
    Dimwits have been replaced by nitwits,
    You get the idea.

    Many “tech” people are not competent enough to recognize this, so they have more meetings and Zoom calls where people with little idea of what is supposed to be going on call the shots.

    This Zeihan piece is a heavy-handed promotion of immigration. The problem with invasion (some call it immigration) is that most of the influx is at the level of nitwit to dimwit once basic capability, education and language are accounted for. They are not sending their best.

  205. Pancho says:

    According to Unz: “Alex Jones’ conspiratorial InfoWars website, hugely popular but hardly reliable.” Well, actually InfoWars has proved to be much more reliable than the Unz Review. Actually, most of the criticism currently appearing in the Unz Review appeared in InfoWars many years ago.

    The Unz Review is a sort of Salvation Army store of information: Mos of what you get there is valuable, but second hand.

    • LOL: Brosi
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  206. Eric94123 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Ron Unz’s theory assumes that the perpetrators didn’t care or didn’t realize that the virus would spread around the world from China.

    That’s not true. You’re assuming that the perpetrators had certain “goals”. How do you know what their goals are?

    You remind me of some critics of 911 Truth. They ask: “Why would they do that?” As though you have to know a criminal’s motive before you can arrest him. Cheney shut down US air defenses on 911. Why’d he do it? Many motives have been proposed. Doesn’t matter. Cheney shut down US defenses. That’s a fact.

    If a policeman sees evidence that one person killed another, he arrests the killer. He doesn’t say “Oh, I can’t arrest this man because I don’t know why he did it.” He says, “This guy killed this other guy. Who knows why he did it? I don’t care. I’m gonna arrest him.”

  207. I called out that Soviet-style sudden terminology shift here. “We have never been at war with anti-vaxxers; we have always been at war with Eastasia.” Politics makes strange bedfellows.

  208. @Wizard of Oz

    Kratoklastes’ point was proven, yet again, by the hilarious seven to nil effort of the High Court to exonerate the odious Pell. A jury, who found Pell GUILTY, unanimously, on all five counts, two appeal court judges and many other victims whose cases the police, somehow, decided not to pursue, were all fools beside these judicial paragons of elite rule, and they beg to differ. As do I. But the ‘judges’ found a ‘legal technicality’ to order, to protect a high Rightwing and elite asset. Filthy, and, in my opinion, quite clearly an exercise in complicity.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  209. @Adam Smith

    Thanks, Adam! I think I’ve seen it before, but it really hits the spot here.

  210. @Voltara

    Quite a collection of moronic, racist, lies concerning China, from yet another moronic racist.

    • Replies: @Voltara
  211. But I think it’s important to calibrate the credibility of that Media Bias website: “Who Guards the Guardians?”

    When I make a search on the internet I almost always use DuckDuckGo. Media Bias is not a site I have bookmarked, but DID show up after the search.

    Are you suggesting the Media Bias site made up those quotes? That they cannot be found anywhere else? If that’s the case I’ll waste some more of my time and look for the “originals” – if you don’t believe they exist.

    My impression is that you’re an anti-Zionist leftist of some sort.

    Your impression about “anti-Zionist” is a solid hit. As for the “leftist” business, I can’t say. During my voting lifetime I’ve known of only one person was even remotely “Left” – Bernard Sanders. Unfortunately Mr. Sanders was and remains a warmongering neocon, but I was willing to take half a loaf with his “leftie” domestic stances.

    Once upon a time – long, long ago I had the Mondoweiss site bookmarked. Why I rather quickly dumped that bookmark is something I can’t quite remember, but the “Misinformation” tag may be the reason. In an effort to recall what the site was about, I’ve made another DuckDuckGo search, and turned up a story at another site I do not have bookmarked.

    Disclaimer: I am not responsible for the DuckDuckGo results of any particular search. This is the one wacko one I’m highlighting:

    https://alethonews.com/tag/mondoweiss/

    Mondoweiss: …. We are tired of serving as a platform for this discussion, including in the comment section, and don’t see the conversation as a productive one. From here on out, the Mondoweiss comment section will no longer serve as a forum to pillory Jewish culture and religion as the driving factors in Israeli and US policy.

    (reply posted below this Linked-to-Mondoweiss statement)

    Xymphora responds: I look forward to the ‘Roots of Slavery in the Old South’ forum, which consists entirely of a discussion of the sufferings of the slaveholders, and how their actions derived entirely from the racism experienced by their Scots-Irish forefathers.

    Of course, the deeper issue is that Zionism is based, not in Jewish suffering or the mythology of a universal irrational hatred of Jews, but in Jewish violent group supremacism. ….

    So why did I leave Mondoweiss and never return? A combination of guesswork and dim memory suggests I concluded they served as a soothing conscience to American Jews who have hesitated to support the horrors of the Apartheid state. “Somebody cares about the Palestinians, and you (American Jew Joe Schmoe) don’t have to stick YOUR neck out. Just keep your head down and don’t rock the Zionist boat. All will be well.”

    Protecting the horrors perpetrated by the pissant state is very important, and the list of sites where I’ve had to either shut-up-or-leave is quite long. They include Consortium News, Moon of Alabama, AmericaBlog, AntiWar, and Mike The Mad Biologist. In each case I chose to depart.

  212. @Kratoklastes

    An insightful reflection worth its weight in pure gold, thanks.

  213. 1jonny says:
    @9/11 inside job

    I don’t know how to determine if someone has died from Covid. So what? I also can’t 100% positive sure that’s what I had, or my wife either, who had the same symptoms and tested positive at the same time. I had Covid, bro. It exists. My wife has had it twice. The first time she lost her sense of smell for a month. Her sense of taste was affected, too. The second time she didn’t have those symptoms, but others. Now, are the fatality counts completely accurate. If I had to guess, I’d guess no, but that they are roughly accurate.

  214. @Ron Unz

    I think that was a good attempt at coining a new term, but you’re trying to encompass a much too broad set of views:

    … have alternative views on lockdowns, masking, HCQ/IVM, the dangerousness of the virus, and everything else connected with Covid.

    The first 2 added on to those (most of whom you erroneously called “anti-vaxxers) who are against mandatory vaccination are, well, there’s been a term around for 1/2 a century – Libertarians.

    The HCQ/IVM anti-ventilator, anti-big pharma crowd, I’d called alt-med folks, how ’bout that?

    Then, those not so concerned about this virus and panic brought on by it – Non-hysterics perhaps?

    Those who think the vaccines were purposefully made by evil Globalists to de-populate the world, via sickness or anti-fertility – Conspiracy theorists who may very well be right?

    Those who are more concerned with the origins of the virus than any of the Totalitarianism, nasty effects of the virus, or suppression of alternative medicine – Conspiracy theorists who aren’t even after the biggest conspiracy.

    If you don’t like the alt-Covid term I just invented, what would you call them?

    Commenters with variously differing opinions from yours?

    • Agree: Durruti
    • Replies: @Rurik
  215. @Eric94123

    My worldview has gov’t, all gov’ts, as mafia operations; criminal enterprises comprised of the worst scum in every society. When covid first popped up, I didn’t know what to make of it. Soon, gov’t action convinced me it was a giant gov’t program for more control to position the various mafias before the fiat currency systems collapsed.

    With the US Dollar as the world’s reserve currency, it was obvious that the US would spearhead the effort to gain maximum advantage over the US population and convince their vassals to go along. At first, I found it puzzling that Russia, China and other mafias that are nominally the US’s enemies were also involved in gaslighting their populations, but then they all rely on fiat for their survival and they just saw an opportunity to never let a crisis go to waste.

    The warp speed rollout of the “vaccines” also told me they were not to be trusted since all previous attempts at the tech had failed and now, all of a sudden, we have not one success but several and that’s just not credible. I surmised that lots would die from the injections but initially I never considered them a weapon against the population as a planned genocide, but I do believe that now.



    Video Link

    • Thanks: Kim Jong Il
  216. I like the part where gain of function, patented features, biological war games, toxic ‘vaccines’, censorship, propaganda and basic mass murder etc etc etc result in nobody ever being held accountable for anything.

    • Agree: Zane
  217. F Kuzmich says:

    Alt-covid = half truth liars for the jew bankers.

    Covid is fake.
    Germ theory is fake.
    The lab leak is fake.

    All a scam every last moment of the covid hoax. Just a phony “virus” fraud purposed to cull the goy.

    The “alt-covid” crew should hang along with the others.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  218. @Kevin Barrett

    The lockdowns and coerced injections were part of a biodefense exercise. They, like the bio-attack itself, were part of a military operation, not a civilian public health response to a natural pandemic.

    No, of course they were not. This was a PanicFest led by the Lyin’ Press and governments of all levels. Why is it that Governor DeSantis and Florida in general spent so much less times with their panties in wads than did the nasty Totalitarian bitches like Stretchin’ Gretchin and Hochul the Hutt in Michigan and New York State respectively. Federalism showed its benefits, as some civilian governors, mayors and the like outdid each other in their Totalitarian stupidity, while others (in very popular States right now) took a common-sense approach, using some perspective.

    The insistence on mRNA vaccines was all about testing a new military technology.

    No, it was about testing American’s compliance level and belief in the goodness of government. It wasn’t the military doing this, but Big Gov hand-in-hand with Big Biz and Big Ed*. The results were not so encouraging for those wanting compliant Americans. We’ve had enough. Many of us were threatened with firing, but, sorry, we were never gonna take it.

    You’re delusional, Kevin. The big story was pretty damned obvious. Think back to what you saw almost 3 years back.

    * The university students in the US, as opposed to the brave opponents of CCP Covid~Zero stupidity in China, were abject failures. They are the most pitiful “free-thinking” university students this country has ever had.

    • Agree: dimples
  219. How is it possible, and by what method, did all business in the USA get such quick notice to close their doors and send everyone home and push the jab, ALL within a week or so? It seems odd every business joined in this charade simultaneously, harming their own business, at the bequest of what govt agency and by what means?

    • Agree: Emslander
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  220. Rurik says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    … have alternative views on lockdowns, masking, HCQ/IVM, the dangerousness of the virus, and everything else connected with Covid.

    well, I think his term (insofar as it describes the above) is sound and concise and succinct.

    and also because it describes me.

    Just as ‘alt-right’ more or less describes people like myself, who are in strong opposition to the ‘official right, otherwise known as ‘Cuckservative Inc. that loves wars and immigration and debt spending and lock downs and mandates and above all else, Israel.

    So in a way, alt-Covid seems perfect.

    Those of us who’re ‘alt-Covid’ think the government and media and Big Pharma are lying. We believe that none of those entities, (like Fauci or the rest) have anyone’s interests at heart other than their own, and that just like with Cuckservative Inc, they’re perfectly willing and eager to sacrifice us all to wars or vaccines or anything else, without one second’s consideration for anything other than their own self-interest. Oh yea, and the love, love, Love power and control.

    So yea, I’m alt-right, and I’m alt-Covid.

    Or, anti-anything the government and media agree on. In the case of Covid, also anti-Fauci, anti Big Pharma, anti-CDC, anti-WHO, anti-Google, and on and on..

    You get the idea.

    Just as we’re anti-Kevin McCarthy, the current face of Cuckservative Inc.

    Alt-right, alt-Covid, all day long.

    • Replies: @Random Anonymous
  221. @Durruti

    Good to see you in this thread Durruti, my knowledgeable Libertarian-minded friend.

    That was a nice little slap down of yours, responding to the comment of Shlomo Baker (aka SBaker), a known Talmudic disinfo peddler here in the UR.

    On the subject of Donald Trump, his history is even sleazier than most imagine.
    Take for example the following article titled ‘A Gay Relationship Between Roy Cohn and Donald Trump’ :

    [MORE]

    https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=208741

    Yes kiddies, Donald J Chump was the toy boy of Mob lawyer Roy Cohn. How else can one explain his meteoric rise ?
    Let’s face it, the Orang-U-tan (as opposed to the Orange Man), is not the brightest of fellows and had few marketable skills.

    Trump’s decade or more long dalliance with Cohn was an open secret. Everyone in NYC society knew about it. The loved-up couple would be seen having romantic dinners and expressing their affection for one another in public.

    Here is a young Trump and Cohn at some fancy dress themed function :

    Yes, Cohn liked to imagine his boy Donald as a Roman centurion (wearing make up), before sodomising him.
    By all accounts, it was a sordid little relationship that they had.

    From the article :

    Roger Stone believes and has stated that Roy Cohn wasn’t really a homosexual, though few or none agree with Stone on this or much else.
    Stone claimed he simply liked having sex with young men like Donald Trump.
    You see, as a young man, from the photo above, onward, until his death from AIDS, Roy Cohn was the constant companion of Donald Trump.

    Also from the article :

    Our sources say Trump hired publicists to spread rumours of his sexual conquests, women in this case, and that he often, in public, would sexually assault women, often in crowded New York clubs.
    I have direct access to an insider here who had spent many an hour with Trump and Epstein, the accused paedophile who we believe was murdered to protect Donald Trump.
    We have evidence that Epstein was in a 20 year plus homosexual relationship with a fashion billionaire who gave Epstein a private plane, a home with over 70 million dollars, another home as well, and the money that made Epstein seem wealthy.

    Behind this, it is alleged, was a CIA/Mossad homosexual blackmail ring; and those stories are now all coming out.

    What is less known is that Roy Cohn was accused of starting it all while he and “the Donald” were the “gay blades” of the New York club scene.

    • Replies: @Durruti
  222. @Boiled Logic

    As a business owner before covid, let me answer your question.

    There’s no point in staying open when the customers stop showing up. Those businesses that tried to stay open needed employees and gov’t mandate forced them to comply with the jab. The business owners were caught between a rock and a hard place.

  223. Rurik says:
    @F Kuzmich

    The “alt-covid” crew should hang along with the others.

    that seems perhaps a bit harsh, no?

    I’ve said from the beginning, that we’re being lied to, and I still say that.

    But I’ve known and talked to people who (their doctors told them), had Covid. And some of them had pretty bad cases, and a couple of them were out for weeks with it, and you could tell it was worse than your common flu. Even as some of them were told they had Covid, with almost no symptoms.

    So while I’m very sympathetic to skeptics and those who don’t trust the gov or media or our institutions and so forth, I’m skeptical of the idea that ‘there is no such thing as Covid’, when I’ve personally known people who suffered from it. Or, if not Covid, then what was it? What flu knocks you down for almost two weeks?

  224. mkr says:
    @bike-anarkist

    That’s not a scientific argument for why Covid-19 can’t be detected in wastewater/sewage.

    Show us data that Covid-19 can’t be detected in wastewater/sewage.

    Most likely it came from the Fauci/Ecohealth alliance, Moderna, other participants, some lab somewhere, but when?

  225. mkr says:

    I prefer Covid truth rather than alt-Covid.

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  226. RobinG says:
    @Ron Unz

    “… perhaps you [Zach Smith] should be more caution in believing it on other matters.?” Doubtful, because…

    The Gell-Mann Effect, also called the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect describes the phenomenon of an expert believing news articles on topics outside of their field of expertise even after acknowledging that articles written in the same publication that are within the expert’s field of expertise are error-ridden and full of misunderstanding.

    Thanks for trying. BTW, are you familiar with Sam’s work?

    Chernoh Bah on Possible Lab Origin of the 2014 Ebola Outbreak — Video and Audio
    https://husseini.substack.com/p/chernoh-bah-on-possible-lab-origin

    Peter Daszak’s EcoHealth Alliance Has Hidden Almost $40 Million In Pentagon Funding And Militarized Pandemic Science
    https://www.independentsciencenews.org/news/peter-daszaks-ecohealth-alliance-has-hidden-almost-40-million-in-pentagon-funding/

    • Thanks: Ron Unz
  227. @Rurik

    Achmed’s points are very well-taken. Ron deliberately used the term anti-vaxxers for nearly three years to lump wildly disparate and largely very reasonable people into one crazy-sounding group.

    That said, if he is going to drop that term and use alt-Covid going forward, I’ll be happy to see that.

  228. gnbRC says:

    I find it interesting that, under the subtext of COVID discussions, the pro-vaccine camp seems to present their case devoid of human characteristics – lack of human compassion, lack of human empathy – lack of humanity, in general. It’s like a portion of this group’s consciousness is completely missing.

    On the other hand, the COVID anti-vaccine camp argues from a position of human compassion, empathy, sense of right and wrong, ethical and moral thought processes, etc. It’s like maybe they are overthinking the ‘goodness’ of humanity.

    Which camp provides a better outcome for humanity? Difficult to say: the pro-vaccine camp is protecting the upper caste of humanity to further the human race, after having done whatever is necessary to prevent the develop human potential; the anti-vaccine camp would rather give every human the chance to develop fully.

    Perhaps no side of the discussion is proper discourse – humans only shine when they develop themselves without outside interference.

    Perhaps Ron Unz can relate his position with more clarity in his COVID essays.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  229. Rurik says:
    @Random Anonymous

    Achmed’s points are very well-taken.

    yes, I generally agree with Achmed, it’s just that

    ‘Commenters with variously differing opinions from yours’ – seems a bit long.

    I just noticed mkr suggested ‘Covid truth’, and that works for me too.

    Ron deliberately used the term anti-vaxxers

    Yes, but sometimes we all make mistakes, and if it turns out that the vaccines are not what they were marketed as, I’m pretty sure he’ll concede the point.

    I just liked alt-Covid because I’m an alt-right’er, and based on the criteria given, it sounded like I’m an ‘alt-Covid’er as well.

    Can’t stand the GOP, Cuckservative Inc. and can’t stand the Fauci, Big Pharma, media and government lies about Covid.

    It just seemed to fit, at least in my case.

  230. @Zachary Smith

    ‘Toby’. Says it all, really.

    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
  231. @1jonny

    I tested positive for Covid. BTW, it wasn’t as bad as the flu.

    You guys who draw the conclusion that Covid “has never, ever been conclusively demonstrated to exist” means that it doesn’t exist are thinking very wishfully.
    It’s common for people, otherwise intelligent, to put aside their normal reasoning ability to believe and promote poorly thought out crap just because it suits their agenda.

    And you Jonny, are one such person who has put aside his reasoning ability to believe some poorly thought out crap that the ‘Gubmint’ told you.

    FACT : You have NO IDEA whether or not you actually got Covid.

    PCR tests are typically run at cycle thresholds (CT) of 35-40. As the inventor of the PCR test (Nobel Laureate Kary Mullis) himself said :

    ‘At such high thresholds you’ll end up with a whole lot of something out of a whole lot of nothing’.

    In other words, it’ll pick up just about anything and give a positive reading.
    Mullis himself said that the PCR should NOT be used to diagnose infection.

    At CT’s in the 35-40 range, you will get 97% False Positives.

    You may well have also tested positive on the R.A.T test (ie: the Rapid Asinine Test – because it quickly detects that you’re an ASS for using it in the first place).
    By all accounts, that test is even more unreliable.

    Jonny, you should eat some humble pie and admit that you know precious little about how you’ve been played by the Zio orchestrators of the Covid Psyop.

    To the extent that you know ‘anything’, it is misinfo that has been planted in your head by the likes of the corrupt MSM and, judging from his output on the danger of the clot shots, the likes of Ron Unz.

    • Agree: Durruti
  232. A123 says: • Website
    @Random Anonymous

    Achmed’s points are very well-taken. Ron deliberately used the term anti-vaxxers for nearly three years to lump wildly disparate and largely very reasonable people into one crazy-sounding group. … That said, if he is going to drop that term and use alt-Covid going forward, I’ll be happy to see that.

    Alt-Covid still covers too much ground. Let me restate my prior suggestion:

    A more functional split is:

    ♦ Vaxx-Realists
    ♦ Manda-vaxxers

    Manda-vaxxers are authoritarians. Force and threats must be deployed so that BigPharma can roll in filthy lucre. If people have to suffer and die, that is irrelevant (or a population control side bonus).

    Vaxx-Realists want individuals to have voluntary choices and good information. Some elderly with multiple pre-existing conditions may choose to take the experimental jab. There is little reason for the young & healthy to participate in the mRNA experiment.

    This realistic, follow the science, conclusion applies if the death toll is millions, hundreds of thousands, or only the ~30,000 that made it to VAERS. No one should be compelled to receive the mRNA experimental jab.

    Regardless of the source of the WUHAN-19 Virus, this is the critical knife edge distinction for analyzing & understanding the authoritarian UN/NWO mandates.

    PEACE 😇

  233. Skeptikal says:
    @Ron Unz

    ” My impression is that Lockdown Sceptic focused very heavily upon lockdowns, masking, social distancing, the dangerousness of the Covid virus, and eventually vaxxing. ”

    How could you have any “impression” at all if you weren’t paying attention and didn’t actually know anything about the Lockdown Skeptics site? I reckon youj were unaware of the early Lockdown Skeptics site until l mentioned it a couple of weeks ago.

    LS focused on ALL aspects of the covid operation. Including, for instance, providing a platform for the Great Barrington Declaration and those who formulated it. This means that their assessment of the “dangerousness” of the virus—namely, not as dangerous as the lockdown maniacs were insisting—was also highlighted. I seem to recall that there were links to the website of the Swiss Policy Research, who was providing ongoing updates of available data along with independent analyses of the data, graphs, and links to “alt=covid” studies that did not support the mainstream panic narrative (https://swprs.org/covid19-facts/).

    I am quite sure that experts such as Dr. Michael Yeadon, Sugit Bakhtra (sp?) and others were given a platform at LS, because for quite a long time LS was my primary source of alternative info on the covid operation. However, to prove this I would have to dig into the LS archives.

    Furthermore, your “my impression” explanation/excuse ignores the reasons behind UK citizens’ protests: They were also getting alternative information about covid—the actual level of danger it posed (namely, considerably less to the general public than what the panic mongerers were selling), which you have consistently exaggerated—and were aware that the public was being lied to and was being subjected to a huge propaganda operation. Also their awareness that the NHS was (1) being used by the perpetrators of the operation, (*2) that the UK public was being deprived of access to its health service, and (3) that elderly people were dying under the most appalling circumstances of neglect and isolation because of this false narrative. Of course these types of crazy things were also occurring in the USA, which one could read about on the LS’s “news update” feature.

    UK protesters got this info from alternative sources. One primary such source, which you would I suppose characterize with the “anti-vaxx’ insult, being the UK Column, its experienced and probing investigators Brian Gerrish and Mike Robinson, and its seasoned nursing correspondent/reporter, Debi Evans. Ever heard of her? It’s not too late, even though 2. 5 years does seem kind of late. They were early on presenting detailed analyses of the UK’s yellow card data (analogous to the VAERS system) which showed the actual health consequences of the jabs. With their determined efforts and expertise they breached the user-unfriendly wall of the yellow card system, to inform the public as to what the available data showed. They also ran interviews with active NHS nurses who were witnesses to some of the egregious events going on within the system.

    Early on the UK Column also exposed the internal communications of the UK govt.-connected propaganda organization to gin up fear and put people under various sorts of psychological pressure to change their behavior and get jabbed.

    Because of your tunnel vision regarding the “origin” of the virus or whatever it actually is, and your arrogant and demeaning labeling as “anti-vaxxers” those who were providing valuable “alt-covid” (as you now call it) information, you totally discounted the context within which this operation was taking place, including the actual medical consequences for the populace caught up in it and the level of knowledge of protesters in the UK. You didn’t grasp the point that excavating the “origins” was not separate from understanding the actual nature of the operation, and its goals and outcomes (which we still do not really know). One really weird thing is that three main “alternative” media platforms—TUR, The Saker Blog, and Bernhard, of Moon of Alabama—all were taken in by the covid story and the need for untested jabs. Weird.

    In addition, one cannot avoid the conclusion that your own failure to detect the lies that accompanied the “vaccine” rollout and thus your acceptance of obviously untested jabs affected your ability to examine the whole covid19 pys-op objectively. I expect your own fear of the virus—your believing the panic mongerers and your consequent sense of vulnerability— drove your decision to get jabbed and your disdainful attitude toward those who did not make that fateful, ill-informed choice.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  234. Ron Unz says:
    @Skeptikal

    How could you have any “impression” at all if you weren’t paying attention and didn’t actually know anything about the Lockdown Skeptics site? I reckon youj were unaware of the early Lockdown Skeptics site until l mentioned it a couple of weeks ago.

    LS focused on ALL aspects of the covid operation.

    Like I said, I think I was very vaguely aware of it, maybe occasionally seeing a link here or there. Or perhaps I’m confusing it with some other website.

    Based upon your description, its coverage was exactly what I thought it was, all those different Covid-related issues in which I’ve had very little interest, but probably almost nothing on the origins question that has been my own focus. So I’m not sure what you’re disputing.

    I glanced over some of their recent articles, read the “About” section of their website, and browsed around Wikipedia a little. That, plus my vague (possibly mistaken) recollections of a few past links I’d seen was how I formed my impression of their coverage, which you seem to have confirmed for me.

    Meanwhile, you’re just some agitated anti-vaxxer, having beliefs that I regard as total nonsense, and which I think I already pretty effectively debunked in my previous two articles.

  235. RobinG says:
    @gnbRC

    Oh, fuck off. The “COVID anti-vaccine camp” could care less if everyone over 65 years drops dead, regardless of caste. They’ve made that very clear.

    • Troll: JimDandy
    • Replies: @amor fati
    , @Tom Welsh
  236. @Random Anonymous

    How about further sub-divisions for even more clarity? Most people will belong to more than one:

    1. Alt-covid-disease – They propose that viruses do not cause illness. Instead they are a symptom of it. Covid is being used to take people away from how they lived eons past. Victory comes through what we put in our bodies.

    2. Alt-covid-origins – Can be either a lab leak or bio-weapon. Victory comes from gaining more information in regards to who perpetrated the crime and when.

    3. Alt-covid-motive – Most people would belong in the WEF/Klaus Schwab camp. The “virus” is being used by globalists (including the Chinese and Russians – remember Putin was a young future leader chosen by WEF) to further consolidate their control over the entire planet and reduce the population. Victory comes through going off the grid as much as possible, libertarian politics, and other such methods used by Alex Jones types since the 90s. Gold should be stockpiled under your bed. I would put Ron’s Neocon theory in here as well, although his end game is much different than the WEFers. Maybe an even smaller sub-grouping is for those that recognize the corruption in the pharmaceutical and medical industries and their search for profits, but see it as a fortunate occasion they took advantage of.

    4. Alt-covid-vaxx – the Vax is a deadly Bio-weapon used for culling the “sheeple”. Similar to 1 where victory is gained in regards to what we put in our bodies and 3 with motive. Hopefully you got the saline one. If not, a detox diet with some vitamin supplements may do the trick. If all else fails that stock of Ivermectin next to your gold bars will do it, studies have shown it effective in mild to moderate cases.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  237. Voltara says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    I was trying to explain the psyop messaging and collusion between Chinese and western governments. I don’t see how this is racism.

    Ron Unz claims the Chinese covid response was a means of conditioning the public to accept future restrictions when another biological warfare agent is released. That doesn’t make sense to me. Why do you think China enforced lockdowns etc long after the rest of the world had moved on then suddenly dropped them for no apparent reason?

  238. Durruti says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    On the subject of Donald Trump, his history is even sleazier than most imagine.

    Indeed, their Trump, Clintons, Roy Cohn, (and all the other gauleiters), history of depravity (also matched by their sordid personal lives), is hard to “imagine.”

    The Romans of Caesar’s time had a choice; Either Restore their Republic, or later, collapse ignominiously, in a heap of corruption, and finally, watch the Goths burn their capital and brutalize their civilians.

    Stiff upper lip. Your Libertarian-minded friend.

  239. Covid certaintly allowed manufacturers to halve their production and double their profit, either USA, China or others. Definitely an adrenaline shot into the almighty dollar to keep it floating another 5 years. Post covid bottom line….dig a little deeper in your wallet and keep working the treadmill until you either die from pandemic or exhaustion. This playbook gets old after awhile. The govt used to do this every 20 years, then every 10 and now every 5. I feel the govt has finally run out of other peoples money as recent $trillion printing has shown. Most won’t realize it till the POTUS election in 2024, and this one will be a doozy. No cheating this time, instead outright tyranny and theft. We won’t know who POTUS is for a very long time, if ever, as they delay vote counting. They install a group or committee to act as the executive branch in the interim. No one will know who’s in charge of the USA or ever will again. It’s called a silent coup. A nation within a nation comes to mind.
    Trump was our last duly elected president 2016. Biden was the cheat 2020. There will be not be a POTUS 2024.

  240. Ron Unz says:
    @Pancho

    According to Unz: “Alex Jones’ conspiratorial InfoWars website, hugely popular but hardly reliable.” Well, actually InfoWars has proved to be much more reliable than the Unz Review. Actually, most of the criticism currently appearing in the Unz Review appeared in InfoWars many years ago.

    I’m afraid I have a pretty negative opinion of Alex Jones and his work, and explained why in an article a few months ago:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/alex-jones-cass-sunstein-and-cognitive-infiltration/

  241. RobinG says:
    @How do you know its a real Durer

    Very nice, but this is definitely a different group.. (& there may be more)

    Maybe an even smaller sub-grouping is for those that recognize the corruption in the pharmaceutical and medical industries and their search for profits, but see it as a fortunate occasion they took advantage of.

  242. @Rurik

    Thanks. My wife got sick with what they said was Covid during the first months of the so called pandemic. Whatever she had it was not the flue. She was in real trouble. She was gasping for breath and turning blue. She was in the hospital for 14 days. They only treated her symptoms. They sent her home with an oxygen generator. After a couple of weeks She didn’t need the oxygen any more. She had intermittent fevers and high blood pressure for months and was treated for blood clots in her lungs. My wife is in her 60’s and over weight. I was never tested and never had any symptoms. Neither of us have had the vax.

    If not covid then what was it?

    • Agree: Rurik
  243. @mkr

    There is NO COVID therefore alt-CoVid cannot exist.

    • Replies: @mkr
  244. RestiveUs says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    You don’t know the majority of Americans, Mumblebrainless.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  245. @Ghan-buri-Ghan

    Maybe both Chinese Communist Party “elites” as well as a rogue group of Western Globalist “elites” worked together on disseminating this virus around the world. It’s pretty weird that responses all over the world were systematically aligned with one another. Many Western Globalists were caught lauding Chinese responses, such as the German who runs the World Economic Forum.

  246. @Wizard of Oz

    Anecdotes make for bad policy, and worse analysis.

    Like you, I have chums who play dressup in the stupid quasi-ecclesiastic set-pieces in which we peons have to participate as supplicants (even to the extent of bowing before taking a seat at the Bar table when re-entering court).

    [MORE]

    And of course those guys are all top blokes – super pukkha sahibs, don’t you know, Lovely Boy; I won’t hear a word against them.

    It’s every other robe-wearing bastard who should be hanged from a streetlamp.

    And let’s not for a second forget the non-robed halfwits who comprise the majority of the Adminsitrative Appeals Tribunal – the 70 or so AAT ‘members’ who were appointed for loyal service to the Coalition – or for loyally servicing John Howard in the stationary cupboard (she knows who she is, and she knows that everyone who appears before her knows how she got to be something other than an also-ran journalist).

    As one of my/our compatriots pointed out before I got a chance: the Australia BlackRobes “set aside” the conviction of duly convicted child rapist George Pell, on the basis that the jury should not have been ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ based on the BlackRobes’ reading of the evidence.

    That’s not how it works – it’s not how it would work if the defendant was, say, me… even in a situation where nobody’s ever found the body. (This is a hypothetical).

    Reading that judgement made it absolutely clear that they had simply decided that they wanted Georgie the Kiddie-Fucker to go free, and so they just did it (waiting for the opportunity).

    The only thing they didn’t include was a few paragraphs about how the jury system shouldn’t apply to their mates, and anyone who disagrees can just go and get fucked.

    The most obvious ‘tell’ is that the Federal Court found the COVID-period bullshit was kosher.

    There’s a long and interesting story about my study chum [M] – exceptional student (as good as me, but less numerate); went straight to the Bar after Uni; made silk bang-on the 10th anniversary of signing the Bar roll… then, while defending Mokhbel, discovered that the VicPol had been invalidly swearing warrants.

    Not the odd one here and there: tens of thousands of warrants – 30 years’ worth, admitted on the stand.

    Everyone incarcerated as a result of evidence from those warrants, ought to have walked – or at least been released pending a new trial. Anyone who paid more than lip service to the Law knew that.

    Well! Can’t have that. Egg on faces… so (in no particular order)…

     ▪️ [M] got a red robe and a long wig;
     ▪️ VicGov passed retrospective legislation that purported to make all past warrants valid;
     ▪️ all the crims who were de jure ‘innocent’ (because the evidence against them was f. of the p. t.) stayed in chokey; and
     ▪️ it was made clear to the entire Bar that challenging the consitutionality of the law would be a career-ending move.

    Now [M] quite clearly deserved the red blanket – at his investiture the CJ waxed about how he was the first Vic Supreme who went to a non-selective government school and how he used to be a logging driver.

    I would like to think that I would’ve told then to cram their red blanket up their arse – but Vic Supremes make pretty good dough and have legions of people to do their thinking for them, and have a pension of 100% of terminal salary that can be got 20 years before the Dirt People.

    [M] was doing pretty well for himself as a barrister, but when they say “Crime Doesn’t Pay” they are really talking about a career at the Criminal Bar. (Although it’s gotta be said: Crim silks are only relatively badly remunerated)

  247. @RobinG

    Yea, something like:

    Alt-covid-chance – pharmaceutical companies were struggling to get returns on their expensive new research. Their eyes popped out of their head with the prospect of unlimited government money going into their accounts. Same with hospitals, who received money for each report of a covid death.

    Most likely agnostic towards origin and motive, preferring a natural origin theory until more information can be provided. Victory is when guilty parties on trial for putting innocent lives at risk unnecessarily.

  248. Wild Man says:
    @Random Anonymous

    This Utopia series sounds intriguing, ….. I will check it out. On the cringe thing, …. I kn0w what you mean, …. way back I couldn’t get nearly to the end of House of Cards, …. even though the drama did show the real idiosyncrasies that abound within the lives of psychopathy-in-leadership, and so had value in showing something real …. the creepiness just got to me at one point and I had to drop it (been there, done that IRL ….. why revisit that pain?).

    [MORE]

    This whole covid fiasco, sure is creepy, that’s for sure. If it turns out it is all about giving the emerging mRNA tech a helping hand (my current suspicion), …. I will actually be somewhat relieved, because just knowing what the ulterior agenda is, relieves some of the secrecy-of-misdirection creep-factor, even if the ulterior agenda is creepy in of itself, ….. and this emerging mRNA tech narrative is creepy indeed, ….. it seems that in the medium-to-long-term, humanity-wise (i.e. – 20+ years), we are all going to be f*cked, …. collectively choosing to play God. The hubris here is crazy. To my mind, with this emerging new mRNA tech, bound for prime time no matter what, really amounts to the animal and plant domesticaters (that’s us … being doing that for 10,000 years) now commencing self-domestication, …. except not by way of the tried and true slow process of deciding who gets to f*ck who, …. but instead skipping the perhaps 100,000 metabolic steps involved in providing the next generation with gene-therapy options, f*ck-and-adapt-style, aka ‘procreation’, ….. the new plan is to do this type of thing, all at once, within-generation, skipping the 100,000 metabolic steps geared towards a subtle interplay of homeostasis/propagation that we do not understand, ……. we really have no clue in what we are doing in other words, but will do it anyways, rouge-sorcerer’s-apprentice-style.

    We really should be having a public conversation about all this. The psychopathy-in-leadership have toy’s to play with, that are too dangerous now. We would be crazy to continue to allow this type of leadership to have access to these powerful new tools. I think that means, … the leadership is going to have to change.

  249. Franz says:
    @The Real World

    Majority of Docs are EMPLOYEES now

    That part I have to agree with.

    Still. The whole counter-Covid thing started early, makes much noise… but nothing so far tangible is happening. If you are right about thee other stuff, then I’m beginning to deduce that the more connected individuals are, the more ineffective they are.

    The same way nobody believed 911 and nothing happened anyway.

  250. werpor says:
    @Commentator Mike

    “And if Covid is just the flu then China must have colluded with others to present it as a deadly new virus since China was the first to raise the panic, way before the US.”

    From the article:
    To my considerable surprise, the very solidly argued 3,200 word piece by Daily Sceptic Editor Will Jones directly addressed one of the absolutely critical questions that had been scrupulously avoided for nearly three years by our entire mainstream media, an issue that podcaster Kevin Barrett had appropriately dubbed the “Smoking Gun” of the Covid epidemic.

    The opening paragraph asked an obvious question.

    Here’s something that’s been bugging me. How did U.S. intelligence analysts pick up on what they deemed a dangerous novel virus in China at a time when there’s no good evidence China had picked up on it or was concerned? How did they spot the signal in all the noise of a normal Chinese flu season?

  251. folkvangr says:
    @Emslander

    But it could never keep something like that secret for years.

    They’ve got stupid Ukrainians for that who work for $500/mo to keep ther mouth shut.

    • LOL: Emslander
  252. Pheasant says:
    @gay troll

    ‘China immediately set the panicked tone of the pandemic response: emergency hospital construction, brutal lockdowns, people dropping dead in the street. Burning so many bodies that a sulfur dioxide plume was visible from space. This is the time period when the media was telling us not to be racist. America watched the threat of COVID meander over from China with extreme non chalance. I believe it was the policy of our government NOT to impede the spread of SARS2 from China to the U.S. in any way. Why? Because it was already here and widespread. They had to make it SEEM like it spread here from China.’

    Interesting. Remember all of the talk about popcorn lung in the U.s in early 2019? Fake media narratives for why those vulnerable were dying of respiritory diseases (in this case blaming vapes). It might also explain why people dying of heart attacks etc were called death by covid. The numbers were fudged.

  253. Pheasant says:
    @Wayne Lusvardi

    ‘In the practice of modern medicine, sepsis, not the bugaboo coronavirus, is the overwhelming killer of hospitalized intensive care COVID-19 diagnosed patients. In modern medicine It has been believed to be a bacterial infection, not an invisible virus. Belgium doctor Jean Louis Vincent, MD, PhD, recently concluded that deaths attributed to COVID-19 cannot be distinguished from death by sepsis. Moreover, researchers from BioForce labs in France indicate that all COVID-19 deaths are actually hospital-acquired sepsis. Perhaps this explains why 137 independent researchers and laboratories in 25 countries have been unable to find or credibly photograph the bugaboo Coronavirus virus?

    Since sepsis is the unrecognized elephant in the hospital room of Coronavirus patients, there need not be any Coronavirus at all to result in the same magnitude of deaths attributed to it.’

    Thank you.

  254. @Zachary Smith

    RFK Jr. (US Liberal) …. [is an] …. attention-seeking jerk who is milking the Covid Pandemic for all it’s worth.

    Like all Talmudic degenerates that celebrated when JFK and brother Bobby were murdered by ZOG, you won’t be happy until all the Kennedy’s are dead.

    Zach, I know it really CUTS TO THE BONE how RFK Jr has been exposing vaccine injuries for many years.
    In fact well before Covid came on the scene, Bobby Jr was telling us about the dangers of the HPV Gardasil vaccine and the correlation between childhood vaccines and autism.

    Zach, seeing as you have a large stock holding in Merck (the manufacturer of Gardasil), and knowing that RFK Jr’s diligent work has cost Merck hundreds of millions (if not billions) in lost revenue, you’re understandably upset that he’s exposed this Big Pharma behemoth as a distributor of toxins, and thus beaten down the Merck share price.

    Bottom Line : Anyone, with even an infinitesimal amount of morality knows that RFK Jr is not just a U.S National Treasure, but a planetary treasure.

    As an Australian, I can see that from far across the ocean.

    The good Bobby Jr has done for the world is immeasurable. That you would speak about him as you are Zach, is indicative of the fact that you’re a mendacious David Ben Gurion worshipping piece of shit – as we’ve all suspected from the start.

    • Agree: Durruti
  255. @Kevin Barrett

    That may explain the discovery and then silence over the biolabs in Ukraine.

  256. @SBaker

    Are you the SBaker who hasn’t answered my questions (#821) under Mr. Unz’s last COVID article?

  257. amor fati says:
    @RobinG

    Oh, fuck off. The “COVID anti-vaccine camp” could care less if everyone over 65 years drops dead, regardless of caste. They’ve made that very clear.

    This is so offensive to me, I challenge you to a duel. If not with tomahawks, at least thumb wrestling.

    p.s. Not sure what sort of dirty ignorant Poles hang out at your alleged” Covid anti-vaxx camp”. But those of us who are vaccine safety (e.g. RFK Jr.) and Health Freedom (read defenders of the right to informed consent, supporters of the Nuremberg Code, Helsinki Declaration, etc.) have been very moved by the great harm the recent WHO/CDC/Pfizer malfeasance has exacted on the elderly.

    For example, my mother (RIP). A year into her forced isolation (where she is dying of loneliness) she gets covid 19 and sails through it no problem. A month later, curse the bozos, they vaccinate her. This knocked her out. She slept for a week. My sister calls in hospice; we thought Mother was a goner. She recovered (somewhat?) to live another year. Why the duplication of efforts when her own immune system had worked perfectly well? This double jeopardy was completely unnecessary and harmed my mother. Why was this event NOT reported to VAERS? A. The hospice nurse says narcolepsy is no big deal…. Put that one together (!!!) and tell me: Who really has been the most careless?

    If only people had listened to Unz right off the bat we might have caught these bioterrorists who are still at large. Thank goodness people are finally starting to listen to him. Long live the Queen.

  258. Judd says:

    malone is as deep as deep state gets; he is obviously a limited hangout, he just happened to have a drug for covid which he was working on and didnt reveal until he went on rogan’s podcast, almost a year after he was out there talking his BS where he never mentioned anything, then all of a sudden he reveals on Rogan that oh yeah I have a patent on a covid drug that will be available soon, well shit, I guess that means he is a good guy w no conflicts of interest, he just wants to make people better, he is deep into FDA DTRA DOD, I dont believe one fucking word coming out this assholes mouth.

    • Agree: QCIC
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  259. It appears to me that as like 1919 Spanish Flu eventuating from, Fort Detrick the same was in 2019. Hence the U.S started its allegations against China to draw attention away from a woman having died near Fort Detrick and its laboratory having been closes for a short time for a clean-up. Let’s not overlook that Deagel USA DoD pursued to decimate the world population by billions (DEPOPULATION) and as such it was a well planned event to falsely accuse China. See https://www.scribd.com/inspectorrikati

  260. mkr says:
    @bike-anarkist

    I too suspect that Covid-19 may not exist at all. No one has shown me anything that is convinces me that Covid-19 definitely exists.

    The “vaccine” does exist though.

    If you look at the “news” articles from December of 2019 (like the ones in my previous comments on this article) supposedly the seasonal flu was raging, but supposedly “Covid-19” was here also, but doctors weren’t noticing it because they “assumed it was the flu” (they assumed a new pandemic was the flu, that’s some pandemic that you don’t even notice it) and weren’t testing for it using an obviously gamed and calibrated PCR test. Then in 2020 the flu essentially disappeared and the regime attributes it to mask wearing which is absurd as those masks do nothing to stop viral transmission.

    If “Covid-19” does not exist then “Covid-19” antibody dependent enhancement does not exist also, but the “vaccine” does exist, and the data shows that the more shots a person gets the worse their health becomes.

  261. @werpor

    A doctor in Wuhan had a wechat group and tried to warn about it. He was initially silenced on 12/30/2019, but later became somewhat of a martyr after dying of covid in a few months later.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51364382

    I wonder if US intelligence had been monitoring wechat groups through a back door somehow. Would explain why 1. No evidence can be found on the regular internet regarding covid rumours in China before western reports Ron mentioned and 2. Why they may have retracted the information (didn’t want Chinese knowing how much they watching?)

    Anyway, just a theory.

  262. What is unclear is what the phrase “as far back as November” refers to.

    Were agencies aware as “far back as November” or, after becoming aware at a later time, go back and look at archived data and find they could see evidence of unusual activity “as far back as November”.

    There is a big difference.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Ron Unz
    , @werpor
  263. Emslander says:
    @Ron Unz

    I love “Alt-Covid”. That’s a perfect umbrella term and several of my viewpoints on the matter fit nicely under it.

    Good coinage, Mr. Unz.

    • Replies: @folkvangr
  264. Emslander says:
    @Rurik

    What flu knocks you down for almost two weeks?

    All of them. A flu killed my father-in-law in 1972. Just the flu.

    • Agree: Tom Welsh, H. L. M
    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
  265. A123 says: • Website
    @another fred

    What is unclear is what the phrase “as far back as November” refers to.

    Were agencies aware as “far back as November” or, after becoming aware at a later time, go back and look at archived data and find they could see evidence of unusual activity “as far back as November”.

    There is a big difference.

    The entire “November” narrative has fallen apart. Supposedly, a politically inflammatory NCMI document was shared with NATO countries plus others in November. However, there are critical problems with this claim.

    • Two media outlets, using 100% anonymous sources, in APRIL said there was a 5 month old document. There has been no substantive follow up.

    • NATO politicians leak like sieves. If a highly charged document was shared in November — It would have made the news everywhere before Christmas. The April timing is an #EpicFail.

    • If the document exists, why has it not become available in some form? Anything widely shared in NATO would have been thoroughly scrubbed to protect sources & methods.
    ___

    Smart & honest observers believe that the “NCMI document” is 100% mythical or was substantially misrepresented to create media propaganda.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  266. boynkin says:
    @Supply and Demand

    Besides, it’s the jab that’s the bioweapon.

  267. Tom Welsh says:
    @How do you know its a real Durer

    Well, those that happened before humans learned how to manipulate genes were presumably not freshly designed and created in the lab. But, just as with anthrax, it would presumably be easy to spread viral diseases just by putting them in food or water, etc.

    Do you have any source for the statement that “those outbreaks have been occurring naturally every few years for a century”? I had thought they were obvious only since around 2000.

    As for the Africans, I have no knowledge about swine flu. But I have a very strong notion that millions of Africans have been killed or harmed by American organisations messing around with viruses in Africa. (Well, they wouldn’t do it at home, would they?)

    Bill Gates and his “polio vaccines”, for example.

  268. Ron Unz says:
    @another fred

    What is unclear is what the phrase “as far back as November” refers to.

    Were agencies aware as “far back as November” or, after becoming aware at a later time, go back and look at archived data and find they could see evidence of unusual activity “as far back as November”.

    Just read a few of my own key paragraphs:

    https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/#summary-analysis

    Or watch my video interview that broke a million views on Rumble:



    Video Link

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  269. Tom Welsh says:
    @Emslander

    The subject has been somewhat confused by people who get a bad cold and claim that they have flu. Similar to the so-called “man flu”, perhaps.

  270. skrik says:
    @Notsofast

    we need more discussion of the furin cleavage site

    Is this comment seriously meant? mkr #6 mentions it, and in my #64, I suggested that a follow up on MSH3 could be ‘worth it’ but no response. This time around I’ll help; here is a link (same article as mkr’s):

    https://doi.org/10.3389/fviro.2022.834808

    MSH3 Homology and Potential Recombination Link to SARS-CoV-2 Furin Cleavage Site (19-nucleotide sequence CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG)

    1st cite of this article in UR was by davidgmillsatty, February 22, 2022 11:32 AM. My own 1st significant “Ah-ha!” find of cggcgg was on November 14, 2021 at 11:34 am. My ‘original’ discovery of PRRA started on May 8, 2020 at 8:00 pm.

    Any more Qs on FCS = furin cleavage site, just ask. rgds

    • Thanks: Notsofast
  271. Tom Welsh says:
    @RobinG

    Oh, fuck off. The “COVID anti-vaccine camp” could care less if everyone over 65 years drops dead, regardless of caste. They’ve made that very clear.

    That’s funny. I am a signed up, card carrying member of that “camp”, and I am 74.

    What’s even funnier is that I declined all the jabs because I didn’t want to drop dead.

    This is (in full) the reply I sent to my local GP surgery in February 2021 when they asked me if I would like to be “vaccinated”:

    I decline any and all vaccines and “vaccines” for Covid-19, now and always. First because I am in good health and do not feel at risk; second because there has not been enough time to test the vaccines; and also because of the widely reported harms following vaccination.

    Twenty-three months later, all of that holds good. I have not had so much as a bad cold since October 2019. Maybe that was Covid – if so, I hardly noticed it.

    By the way, can you offer us even one single reference to any person from the “COVID anti-vaccine camp” saying what you describe? Just one?

    • Thanks: Emslander
  272. @Rurik

    Several years ago pre-covid I believe I had a bad case of the flu , it took me three weeks or so to get over it and while ill I felt deathly ill. Is there a good test for the flu or are they inaccurate and untrustworthy like the tests for Covid?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  273. Skeptikal says:
    @Judd

    Agree.

    Malone’s lawsuit against Dr. Peter Breggin and his wife, Ginger Breggin, because Breggin (imo rightly) criticized Mattheus Desmet’s “mass formation” theory is bizarre, to say the least.

    [MORE]

    Why is Malone so invested in Desmet’s theory—in a field in which Malone knows nothing? Malone introduced Desmet’s superficial ideas to a national audience on the Joe Rogan show. Soon, at some conference called to launch his new organization, Malone was slinging around the names Hannah Arendt and Joost Merloo. Now, everyone has heard the name Hannah Arendt and knows she has something to do with Nazi Germany and totalitarianism. But who has heard of Joost Merloo? Very few people. I bet Malone had heard of Merloo a couple of days prior.

    As soon as Malone “went there” for the Desmet theory my antennae started to twitch.
    Malone is neither a historian nor a psychologist of any stripe.
    So what is the deal?
    What is the quid pro quo for mentioning Desmet on the Joe Rogan show? And why does he make a point of mentioning Desmet, Arendt, and Merloo in the first minutes of his address to the audience at his launch? It was, again, bizarre. As bizarre as the lawsuit against the Breggins.

    Malone is playing some kind game/role in the big picture.

    I think it is possible that he is being rolled out as a potential political candidate down the line.

    I also find it . . . notable . . . that Ron Unz chooses Malone as his “alt-covid” avatar.

    There are far better men—and women—out there to bear aloft the “alt-covid” banner.

    Why does Unz lionize Malone—-IOW.why is Malone the “approved” face of the new alt-covid ?

    Funny that both Malone and Unz are jabbed. They certainly were not thinking for themselves in 2020!

    • Agree: Rumpelstiltskin
    • Thanks: geokat62
  274. Tom Welsh says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    “‘Toby’. Says it all, really”.

    As does your comment. Could you trumpet your prejudice any louder?

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  275. @SBaker

    Wow. You best stick with bike anarchy, something more suited to your knowledge base.

    I agree with you that his approach is too simplistic for a serious and more complicated problem.

  276. “Covid” does not exist. It’s the rebranded flu. Anyone who does not realize this by now is literally retarded.

  277. Skeptikal says:
    @Ron Unz

    “you’re just some agitated anti-vaxxer, having beliefs that I regard as total nonsense, and which I think I already pretty effectively debunked in my previous two articles.”

    Oh, come on, surely you can do better than doubling down on childish insults!

    Obviously not.

    • Agree: Emslander
  278. werpor says:
    @Kratoklastes

    It ought to be obvious now that “we the people”, i.e. citizens of the United States, have no rights they can access, without incurring the countervailing resistance of what has become an unelected establishment, i.e., the state.

    [MORE]

    When these words were written, “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security,”
    — they were written as though such a thing was unimaginable since they (the words) obviously referred to Great Britain from which America had recently won its independence.

    Further on in in the Declaration of Independence one reads, “The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States.”

    Surely though these words were meant in general as though the particular birthed the general. The first quote precedes its qualifier therefore the first quote means what is written “to throw off such a government.”

    Clearly the time has come and gone when “such a government was birthed.”

    Unfortunately history as taught and generally understood glosses over the reasons the Revolution was fomented and successfully resolved. It was about money! The Tea Party was a symbol not a cause of the Revolution. The real issue was taxation without representation and insufficient specie without which commerce was constrained.

    Not incidentally Britain was bankrupt. In spite of victory, the cost of the Seven Years’ War had been enormous and Britain’s National Debt had increased from £74 million to £133 million during the war.
    The war doubled the British national debt. Interest payments alone consumed over half the income.

    Greater enforcement of imperial trade laws had to be put in place. Parliament had to find ways to raise revenue to pay off the crippling debt from the war. Everyone would have to contribute their expected share, including their British subjects across the Atlantic.

    Not incidentally debts are owed to somebody. The Bank of England was primarily founded to fund the war effort against France. England and France were engaged in a forever war. This earlier war than the Seven Years War, like all wars cost money. The original Royal Charter of 1694, granted by King William and Queen Mary, explained that the Bank was founded to ‘promote the public Good and Benefit of our people’.

    The Royal Charter was a consequence of having to pay debts incurred to fight a war. Naturally this opened the door wide to Bank control over the economy. Sovereign control was lost.

    Clearly, bankers understood much earlier than 1694 the benefit of financing wars. In addition to the interest expected, it was prudent to secure the debt by offering it on the condition that a charted for a central bank be granted. In the instance Sovereign control was lost forever. Naturally this inevitably provided the bankers with policy control over a countries activities. No better policy for bankers can be imagined than financing war. Debts are not only extended to nations but to thousands of enterprises providing the material. After the war, of course, many enterprises cash flows all but stops. Companies are either allowed to go bankrupt, forfeiting the remaining assets to the bank. The remaining companies are tethered to the banks by debt, i.e., monies lent to enable the businesses to continue.

    Most people in the United States believe a conventional narrative about such things as wars. The belligerents were told a story before the Civil War, another story during the Civil War, and a completely different story after Appomattox. Banks made fortunes while increasing their hold over the U.S. economy and their influence over policy and the public narrative.

    Andrew Jackson well understood the threat to the autonomy of the United States that bankers represented. He vetoed the bill rechartering the Second Bank of the United States in July 1832, arguing that in the form presented to him it was incompatible with “justice,” “sound policy” and the Constitution. For more about this veto and why see (moaf.org) Jackson Vetoes Re-Charter of the Second Bank of the U.S.

    Bankers promulgate almost all wars! Bankers win every war! No matter which side ‘wins.’

    The United States finally succumbed to absolute Bank rule in 1913. The history of the United States began as a revolt against Bank Rule. The American Revolution was not between the Colonial Settlers and Great Britain, but between an agrarian elite frustrated by taxes, high tariffs, and what they saw as the distant control of their economic independence by Great Britain but ultimately by the presence and power of foreign bankers over their affairs.

    The “people” were never successful in their Revolution. Today Bank Rule prevails. Bank Rule is rule of the unelected, by the unelected, for the unelected.

    What now? America is run by a foreign power. Its policies are decided by people whom are not loyal Americans but are loyal Zionists. The Zionist homeland is Israel. Zionist power is Bank Power. Zionists of course practice Nationalism in their homeland and preach Internationalism in the United States. The United States is a satrapy of Zionist Bankers whose homeland and refuge for their tribe is Israel.

    Is now the time for a Second American Revolution? Have loyal American citizens had enough? Are Americans sufficiently debauched and subverted by “abuse” and “usurpation” under a foreign “Despotism” that they are ready to revolt?

    We’ll see…

  279. werpor says:
    @another fred

    From Ron Unz

    “But with the horrific consequences of our own later governmental inaction being obvious, elements within our intelligence agencies have sought to demonstrate that they were not the ones asleep at the switch. Earlier this month, an ABC News story cited four separate government sources to reveal that as far back as late November, a special medical intelligence unit within our Defense Intelligence Agency had produced a report warning that an out-of-control disease epidemic was occurring in the Wuhan area of China, and widely distributed that document throughout the top ranks of our government, warning that steps should be taken to protect US forces based in Asia. After the story aired, a Pentagon spokesman officially denied the existence of that November report, while various other top level government and intelligence officials refused to comment. But a few days later, Israeli television mentioned that in November American intelligence had indeed shared such a report on the Wuhan disease outbreak with its NATO and Israeli allies, thus seeming to independently confirm the complete accuracy of the original ABC News story and its several government sources.

    It therefore appears that elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency were aware of the deadly viral outbreak in Wuhan more than a month before any officials in the Chinese government itself. Unless our intelligence agencies have pioneered the technology of precognition, I think this may have happened for the same reason that arsonists have the earliest knowledge of future fires.”

  280. 1jonny says:
    @A123

    I still think it’s probably an inadvertent lab leak. Why would either government, or any, want to intentionally release a bioweapon over which they have no control, but could well come back to adversely affect them. Weirder things happen, I know.

    • Replies: @A123
  281. Rurik says:
    @9/11 inside job

    it took me three weeks or so to get over it and while ill I felt deathly ill. Is there a good test for the flu or are they inaccurate and untrustworthy like the tests for Covid?

    Ok, so there are a lot of people insisting that what my brother and his wife experienced (and WorkingClass’ wife) was not Covid, but just the flu, (or something)

    I don’t know. I’m not an expert, but there are a lot of experts who insist, that yes, while we’re being lied to about the vaccine and other things, that Covid, (whatever its actual lethality), does, in fact exist.

    Perhaps they’re all mistaken or lying too. And then there are all those doctors and nurses and others, on the front lines, (many or most of them, are generally decent people), and they’d have to all be lying too?

    Or are the tests manufactured to give false readings for something that doesn’t exist?

    I don’t know.

    All I know is that we’re being lied to. If Covid is all a lie, then I wouldn’t be surprised. I saw how they lied about AIDS back in the 80s, it was all lies all day long. From the entire length and breath of the medical establishment to the media to the government, they created a false hysteria, (led by Fauci, of all people) that AIDs was a dire threat to the non-homosexual, non-drug using community. It turns out that they did so because our leaders decided that Reagan and most straight, non-drug using Americans were not as worried about AIDs as much as they should be, because it was a disease for homos and drug users, so in a campaign of lies and mendacity, they deliberately created this hysteria without one scintilla of proof or evidence, other than the ‘woke’ (at the time) agenda of the Politically Correct.

    So it’s not like I don’t think they would lie, just that it seems to me that for Covid to all be a lie, then all those people who contacted ‘it’, and with the complicity of all nurses and doctors all lying, (or being deceived themselves) seems a bit much. Particularly when this is global, and would require even nations who aren’t aligned with ZOG/Big Pharma/WEF, etc…, to also participate in the Great Hoax.

    Which of course they all do with 9/11, and so forth, so as far as I’m concerned, I guess I’m agnostic on the issue. Maybe my brother’s wife and so many others, did just have a really bad case of the flu, or something else, and all their doctors and nurses all lied to them, or were deceived themselves. I don’t know.

    For what it’s worth, I wouldn’t take the vaccine for any amount of money. But I don’t begrudge people who do, unless they insist others take the jab, and then fuck em.

    I don’t know all the truth, (hardly), but I do know the PTB are rotten, lying scum, who never have people like my-self’s best interest in mind, and actually quite the contrary.

    If they’re talking they’re telling agenda driven lies and half-truths, at best. That’s the only thing I know for sure.

    • Replies: @9/11 inside job
  282. 1jonny says:
    @Desert Fox

    You Covid-doesn’t-exist’ers are nuts. Yes, it does exist. At first it was pretty bad for many, more lately, not so much. Mine and my wife’s cases recently weren’t very bad at all. My wife’s case in 2020 was somewhat worse. In that period I knew several who died because of it (all either old or overweight/diabetic).

    It doesn’t help getting to the bottom of things, as most folks on this board seem to want to do, (I assume you lost-your-mind Covid-not-real’ers also do, but you need to start reasoning again.) to posit or promote very very unlikely theories. It just makes the whole get-to-the-bottom-of-what’s-really-going-on-in-the-world movement lose all its credibility again. We just get dismissed, as in the past, as “conspiracy theorists”.

  283. Judd says:
    @Skeptikal

    thanks for your awesome comment and I agree 100%

    re unz: I assume this place is a honeypot either on purpose or inadvertently; in 2023 anyone pushing covid shots as “vaccines” is 100% a criminal.

    many others who are legit like the breggins you mentioned, dr peter McCullough, dr pierre kory, micheal yeaton etc.

  284. @Ron Unz

    What do you think about this?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  285. Anastasia says:

    I think Mr Unz make a good solid case. I do wonder why China would not investigate and/or make a formal complaint and why it only rose to internet rumor in China. Must be difficult to detect the “who done it”. Also I think it qualifies more than mere “blowback”. The negligence is beyond reckless. Borders on deliberate

  286. Wild Man says:
    @Ron Unz

    “Meanwhile, you’re just some agitated anti-vaxxer, having beliefs that I regard as total nonsense, and which I think I already pretty effectively debunked in my previous two articles.”

    There is a pretty good chance, that some permutation of this, is what we are seeing (i.e. – this is the simplest interpretation of the emerging data):

    covid worse than reported (in keeping with Unz’s earlier contentions) => rather false bifurcation of excess all-cause mortality into the ‘covid’ and the ‘not covid’ categories + vaxx potentiates covid => results in the mixed data signals we see

    Collectively, the vaxx-hestitant group, exchanging comments under the other article that you would prefer that information is relegated to, which is comment-thread under this article:

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/vaccine-smackdown-editor-ron-unz-vs-anti-vaxx-crackpot/#comment-5764034

    , ….. have recently started to wonder about the above-captioned conjecture, as it is made up of a mixture of some pretty good evidence-analysis:

    1) Ron’s theory on covid temporal variance linked to ‘non-covid excess all-cause mortality’, is a medium correlation deemed very unlikely to be an anomalous signal

    2) The vaxx-hesitant’s theory on ‘non-covid excess all-cause mortality’ temporal variance linked to vaxx rate temporal variance, is at least a mild correlation deemed very unlikely to be an anomalous signal

    3) The vaxx-hesitant’s worthy but not-fully-substantiated conjecture that elevated vaaxing rates are linked to subsequent covid case and death loads.

    You have not pretty effectively debunked this emerging nuanced take on all the data, taken together, in your previous two articles (but you did provide insights as to #1, … so thank-you for that, an important contribution). You should stop claiming you had achieved a cognitive or rational ‘stopping condition’, ….. that is what the word ‘debunks’ denotes, ….. but you have not achieved that and should stop pretending that you have.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  287. Ron Unz says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    What do you think about this?

    Not much. I don’t care whether you call it “long Covid” or something else, but fatal heart attacks and strokes rose sharply in America after the Covid epidemic began and before vaxxing, and they’ve remained at that elevated level. So it seems clear that Covid has been an important contributing factor, long after the immediate symptoms disappeared.

    If you look at the working-age mortality statistics of many other countries, you’ll discover similar things. I think relatively few of these deaths are due to immediate Covid, but they seem a longer-term consequence of previous Covid infections.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
    , @Wizard of Oz
  288. Wild Man says:
    @Ron Unz

    “So it seems clear that Covid has been an important contributing factor, long after the immediate symptoms disappeared.”

    Please be more careful with your claims. It is clear from the temporal links between covid case and death loads, and elevated non-covid excess all-cause mortality, as per the data that you shared (and thank-you for that data), is not so much a “contributing factor, long after the immediate symptoms disappeared”, so much as it is evidence that: – ‘covid has been an important contributing factor, during time periods whilst the immediate covid symptoms persist, epidemiological-wise as measured across the entire population, upon the non-covid excess all-cause mortality’

    Just as I suspected would occur, you are falling for the long-covid potential red herring, without carefully checking your assumptions against the data. Do better please.

  289. I like your article and think there is another explanation for the origins. I think during Trumps tenure as President there is little argument that a whole sector of the government was in opposition to his leadership and often subverted his directions and policies. Fauci was one of them. evidence shows he was involved in partially funding the Wuhan lab through NIH amongst many others even in Ukraine all supporting gain of function research.

    If we also look at the results of the virus outbreak specifically with regards to the 202o election, there were benefits to be reaped by certain political organizations within the US with the outbreak and subsequent lockdowns.

    What if a section of the US government without official sanction supported the release of the virus in China with the intent of a global pandemic. The lockdowns and election changes part of the goal in mind. You would have differing viewpoints within our own government until after the election when the suppression of information and push of propaganda became more uniform. The impacted election and push to vaccinate with, at the very least a less than effective at worse deadly vaccine, all fit into someone’s narrative for what some call the Global Reset.

    Some things are too coincidental to not suspect some part of our government in the US was in some way culpable for the virus release. The biggest question is how far up within the government was it supported? Only the release of information, probably heavily secured and unavailable for the public view, could shed light on it. It will probably end up like the information surrounding the JFK assassination. Released in 70 years after everyone responsible is dead. Thanks for the article. Keep up the good work.
    Mel S.

  290. @The Peul

    “JFK. 9/11. Snowden NSA whistleblowing”

    And lord knows what else is “out there” that we don’t even know about yet.

  291. @Rurik

    Thank you for your response to my comment.I believe that most doctors and nurses didn’t lie ,like us they were led to believe that Covid was a dangerous pandemic and that vaccines were “safe and effective”,even if they had misgivings they wouldn’t” leave the reservation “because they saw what happened to those who did. The medical profession has been corrupted by money, big pharma and the AMA and the Rockefeller influence on the medical industry and profession, Eustace Mullins wrote an eye-opening book about corruption in the medical profession called “Murder by Injection”,it was published in 1988 and it’s possible to get it free online in PDF form by going to the website “educateyourself”and searching under Eustace Mullins.I agree that the PTB are rotten,lying scum, at least people are being made aware of this because of their creation of the Covid plandemic and their censorship of opposing viewpoints.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  292. @Mark G.

    In retrospect it is becoming increasingly clear that research into “early treatment” should have been the primary step, vaccination being secondary. I was never comfortable with this Manhattan Project-style rush to get a vaccine on the market asap and have always suspected that the government jumped the gun in getting the vaccine on the market for fear of a general panic (it took decades to develop the Salk vaccine for example).

    • Agree: Skeptikal
  293. How many hundreds of thousands of words has Ron Unz now written about every imaginable aspect of the virus fantasy? [NB: This is a rhetorical question. No answer is sought or desired.]

    Not long before he died, J. R. R. Tolkien wrote to his son Christopher that he was losing patience with the Middle-earth fanatics, people who plagued him with letters demanding ever more information about the place—its history and development, its peoples, etc.—and about the other regions and aspects of his imaginary, constructed planet (Arda) and universe. The correspondents he liked best, he told Christopher, were the ones who were happy that The Lord of the Rings ended in a satisfying way and thought that the Shire must have been a nice place to live.

    If Mr. Unz ever takes a fancy to Tolkien’s imaginary world, I think that UR readers will have to consider themselves fortunate if he draws the line at two million words about the internal politics of Valinor alone. Still, his treating that locale as real would do less harm than he has done by his cultish obsession with a medically trivial virus that has been and continues to be used as a tool to eliminate privacy and freedom of association in every part of the world and to smash every distinction founded upon race, religion, ethnicity, or political or historical continuity.

    • Agree: Emslander
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Corvinus
    , @Emslander
  294. Skeptikal says:
    @Wild Man

    Not sure I am following your argument.

    The bottom line is that the vaxx-hesitant were hesitant before very much data at all had showed up.

    So later-appearing data cannot be a reason for their hesitancy.

    There were plenty of red flags concerning these jabs long before this.

    Mainly, as I have said previously, only a science illiterate would have consented to untested jabs after the control arm of the supposed trials was canceled.

    A better term than “anti-vaxx” would be “anti-obviously-junk-science.”

    The covid-fearful went ahead and followed orders.

  295. @Skeptikal

    ‘Vaxx hesitant’ is an insulting creation of BigPharma PR and the MSM vermin, as if these poor fools simply need some ‘education’.

    • Replies: @MacOisdealbhtoo
  296. @Tom Welsh

    Toby indicates the UK Tory elite. SCUM. Is that loud enough for you?

  297. @Skeptikal

    I think that you’re reading too much into it. Malone has worked in the belly of the beast of the US ‘National Security’ apparatus for decades. That makes him an highly useful insider, a limited hangout operation or a complete Trojan Horse. Time will tell. Malone was jabbed because he needed to be in order to travel, and has said that he regrets it.
    As for ‘mass formation’, Jung called it a ‘psychic epidemic’ describing Europe in the 30s and 40s, ‘Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds’, by Charles Mackay was published in 1841, Elias Canetti’s ‘Crowds and Power’ covers similar terrain, and Gustave le Bon’s ‘The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind’ is referenced by many students of mass movements. So Desmet is simply standing on the shoulders of others, as are we all. Why he was attacked, I do not know. Why Malone is suing Breggins, I don’t know. It looks like the usual confusing and confounding shit-fight when egos clash.

  298. Ron Unz says:
    @Pierre de Craon

    How many hundreds of thousands of words has Ron Unz now written about every imaginable aspect of the virus fantasy?…his treating that locale as real would do less harm than he has done by his cultish obsession with a medically trivial virus that has been and continues to be used as a tool to eliminate privacy and freedom of association

    It sounds like you don’t believe that Covid is real. Okay, but most people do, and according to that large majority, Covid has killed around 18 million people around the world, including well over a million Americans, so it’s a pretty big deal. Taking into account the billions of lives disrupted, I’d argue that except for the two world wars, it’s quite possibly the most important event of the last 100 years, easily having more impact than the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    And if my hypothesis is correct and it was the result of a botch American biowarfare attack, it’s surely one of the biggest stories in the history of the world.

    So according to that metric, I doubt that the 20 or 30 pieces I’ve written on the subject over the last three years is all that excessive.

  299. Wild Man says:
    @Skeptikal

    Yes, …. I agree and always have with your sentiment that anyone paying attention would have noticed things were already wonky, official-messaging-wise, since the end of April/20 (when the inconsistencies first start accruing, to my mind), and the whole lying dynamic, since then, has only grown and grown, with the clear intent imputed by the inter-re-enforcing nature (web-like) of the growing matrix of officialdom lies, …. with all threads of probable intent coalescing or intersecting upon ‘It’s all about the vaxx, baby!’, every step of the way.

    [MORE]

    Only a fool, among those paying attention, would claim not to be anything but vaxx-hesitant, once Jan 1st 2021 came along, …… and so, should have been watching closely, …… and for those that were, these suspicions were fulfilled by June/21 at the latest, with only more gaudy globalist technicolor fulfillment of those suspicions, since then, by way of officialdom intentional behavior since then, culminating in silly, bizarre and harmful mandates aimed at pret-near the demographic of the entire population (so as such, … the mandates were hard to imagine as something that would really arise, but yet mandates are predicted by this string-of lies even well before Jan 1st, 2021, ….. and then guess what, the very unlikely event predicted, actually happened. It’s like the cherry on top, or more like the ‘slap in the face’ on top of all the other prior clearly intentional nonsense). This I think, is really beyond any kind of argument that is based on rationality. It’s: case closed.

    But that leaves two unresolved question categories:

    1) How bad is this? With subset of the question: What is the cause of the continuing excess non-covid all-cause mortality?

    2) Precisely who is behind all this, and what is their agenda?

    The answers to these two question-categories, are just now slowly emerging. My comment #296 was mainly focused on a difference of opinion with Unz on ‘What is the cause of the continuing excess non-covid all-cause mortality?’, …. Unz doesn’t seem to like any hint of vaxx involvement in narratives about the overall fiasco known as the covid phenomenon. In other words, Unz is vaxx-hesitant-very-come-lately, and so much so, that he doesn’t even really want to admit that publicly yet. The latest innings of this Unz tendency are playing out within the difference of opinion around this question of – ‘What is the cause of the continuing excess non-covid all-cause mortality?’ I think what is going on here, is that Unz is still holding out hope that the vaxx on balance did save lives. But there is no evidence for that. I suppose Unz is still holding out hope that some evidence soon will emerge that the vaxx on balance did save lives, because he still hasn’t really groked that he resides in the midst of a clown show among his esteemed colleagues, ….. and is still trying to avoid groking that, because that is gonna be a tough pill to swallow, when it comes for him (unless something more sinister with Unz is going on, … I kinda don’t think so and I hope not, but we’ll see).

  300. Scooby scooby doo, where are you, you got something to do now.

    The bdmwar crew are always steps ahead, this was a flu, bad one perhaps but still a flu, all this was cart before the horse.

    Malone is a shill as well, cut outs galore, all making us argue over that which is not.

    Magicians trick on steroids!

    No one gets this much press unless???

    Come on man.
    🇨🇦☘️🤺

  301. Anonymous[585] • Disclaimer says:

    This is nice work – comprehensive documentary evidence of the common plan and conspiracy for war, Nuremberg (or Khabarovsk) Count 1.

    https://bailiwicknewsarchives.files.wordpress.com/2023/01/jan.-2023-legal-history-american-domestic-bioterrorism-program.pdf?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

    However it doesn’t quite get at the relationship between banned biological weapons and their antidotes. So it calls experiments germ warfare attacks, and strains credulity with the claim that US nationals are being attacked.

  302. @Ron Unz

    Tell us where we can find the isolated covid virus as per Koch’s postulates Ron!

    Any that have been offered were contaminated by human genetic material, plus whatever else was in the human sample providers system.

    [MORE]

    USCDC have confirmed in writing they do not possess a samp, many times.

    No court cases have begun for fake vaxx passports in Canada, because the govt cannot produce scientific evidence of the covid strain, and can’t risk that exposure. not one case.

    -The action of isolating: the fact or condition of being isolated or standing alone; separation from other things or persons; solitariness. Oxford English Dictionary.

    Also, the genetic sequence of something that has never been found can never be known.

    When of the fake reports mention Vero cells as the host specimen, you know it’s fraud.

    No electron microscope pics have yet to appear.

    When asked for evidence , the response is always:

    There were not enough virus particles found in samples from patients to analyze.
    or
    Viruses are intracellular parasites; they can’t be found outside the cell in this manner.

    If the latter is correct, and we cannot find the virus in the sputum of people, then on what evidence do we say it is lethal or even dangerous?

    If the former, then how does the virus spread from person to person?

    We are told it emerges from the cell to infect others!
    Then why is it not possible to find it!

    Can’t have it both ways Ron. Research and your essays are not compatible.

    You parrot cherrypicked info from U$ govt sources to back up the deep state, which Elon the electronic stockyard whip is showing is very, very real. That’s WEF hubris by the way.

    Biggest years of death were related to largest moments of stress induced illness , pneumonia mostly, as proven by Denis Rancourt using American Data.

    Let’s see another essay refuting his stunning work, outside the box thinkers always shine in history, not scooby doobers like you.

    Rancourt proves that including this fake scamdemic, both world wars and the stock market crash of 31, viral pneumonia infections and flus have done all the killing, mostly in poorer areas of USA.

    No body was fat during the dust bowl years Ron, or during world wars, but stress has always been the killer.

  303. Rurik says:
    @9/11 inside job

    I believe that most doctors and nurses didn’t lie

    thanks for your thoughtful reply

    I generally don’t like to belabor minutia, but it seems to me the veracity of the very existence of Covid, would be a good thing to settle, if only so that the more salient Covid issues, (where did it come from, why was the response so draconian, is the vaccine safe, and so forth) could be parsed out.

    Let’s just take an everyday nurse, and she’s given a test for Covid to administer, and it comes back positive, we both agree she’s not lying about it, but then the only remaining possibility, is that the test is a fraud, no?

    Is that what people who don’t believe in Covid think, that the tests are fake, since I think we’d all agree that to have all those many millions of nurses and doctors, all lying, seems unlikely.

    The medical profession has been corrupted by money

    I’ve known this for a long time. I used to go to parties at a friend’s house, and there was a (cute and sweet) hospital administrator who would often come, and once she got sufficiently ‘at ease’, she would start to get despondent, and almost in tears, talk about how corrupt and greedy the medical field had become. I’ll never forget seeing her agonize over it, because she was a good person, who wasn’t comfortable with the rot in her field. Recently I talked to a man who had just earned his M.D. as a psychiatrist, and when I asked him about it, he was surprisingly frank, and said he’s basically just trained to prescribe pharmaceuticals, in a way, suggesting that he was trained by Big Pharma, and now works for Big Pharma as a kind of well-paid and highly educated drug pusher.

    It sort of took me aback, but I appreciated his candor.

    Sorry for the anecdotes.

    The point is I guess, that I agree, that it’s become corrupt to the high heavens.

    But even so, has there been (I haven’t done the research) any whistle blowers out there, from any nation, or from some backwater in say, North America somewhere, who claims Covid doesn’t exist?

    I’ve seen all kinds of claims about where Covid came from, and that the vaccine is a weapon, and other stuff, but I’m not aware of any book that’s been written, or any scientist or let’s say guys like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. or all the skeptics of the vaccine, who claim that Covid doesn’t exist, other than those of us, like so many here at Unz, who’re (understandably) skeptical about anything the media and government and CDC, et cetera are telling us.

    Like your handle about 9/11, there are gobs of websites and organizations and professionals and experts who all agree it was an inside job, (and it was ; ), but are there similar websites or professionals who agree with you that Covid does not exist?

  304. @mulga mumblebrain

    Same as conspiracy theorist, cia , vaxx hesitant cia too, come on man, all social media is is mind control .

    Tavistock Institute anyone😩

    US military started the internet, first satellites were theirs, as it was, so shall it be.

  305. Dutch says:

    Ron, you’re such a clueless idiot. Fuck your stupid ‘furan cleavage site’ and show me a virus that exists at all.

    [MORE]
    You keep talking about it and it keeps not existing and you sound like a fucking moron with your nonsense ‘bioweapon’ con-theories. WHAT FUCKING BIOWEAPONS? We’ve heard this spook story for nearly 50 years. Where and when has one actually ever existed? What proof do you have? Now you have an alleged virus that nobody has ever seen, that allegedly kills 6 out of 10000 people, and you are dumb enough to actually pretend any of it could be real. You remember what phones looked like 50 years ago versus now? But this is what we have to show for 50 years of ‘bioweapon research’ AND YOU STILL DONT GET THAT IT WAS JUST MONEY LAUNDERING?!?! So you’ve concocted some retarded cloak and dagger coincidence story that makes no sense. If we released a virus and it spread worldwide why 3 years later has not one single molecule of it been isolated?! Why do you believe it has been when it hasn’t? Why are you such a fucking idiot. You insist against reams of data and evidence that the vaccine is super safe and effective, then turn around and tell us this nonsense movie script story about BIOWEAPONS never even proven or verified to exist. “But everybody says so. So by blindly believing it I am a journalist!”. That how fucking dense you are. Really, it’s sad to see. Stop writing scripts and check your facts!

  306. Mr. Unz has been very slow to grasp the bigger picture surrounding the attempted global genocide orchestrated by the WEF’s fake Corona Chan “pandemic” and follow-on LOCKSTEP (Mr. Unz’ own words from this article, BTW) international government policies and media response, complete with totalitarian tyranny taken straight out of the pages of George Orwell’s 1984 plus the new innovation of universally forced injection of an extremely sophisticate eugenic bioweapon disguised as a “vaccine”.

    I suppose Mr. Unz deserves some credit for admitting…

    That’s because I have narrowly concentrated on the origins of the epidemic while they have focused almost entirely upon the details of the disease and the controversial public health measures adopted to control it.

    However, even if now very timidly and gingerly raising his head to peek outside that carefully constructed and strictly confined investigative box of his, Mr. Unz still has a long way to go before he catches up with the reality which has been unfolding upon the world.

    Here’s a couple of teensy weensy pointers to encourage your voyage to enlightenment, Mr. Unz…

    1. Yes, folks, the global genocide program inaugurated by the fake Corona Chan “pandemic” and the consequent global imposition of a eugenic bioweapon injection was managed by none other than a f*cking Satanic Globalist psychopath super-villain disguised as an inconsequential mild-mannered door-to-door shoe salesman, none other than Klaus Schwab himself, effectively hijacking the planet through his control of the WEF with it’s legions of Young Global Leaders and captains of industry entrenched in key positions of governance in just about every nation on Earth. Here’s a very mild example of the absolute control that the WEF has achieved over the global media organs, which march in LOCKSTEP with the WEF’s edicts…

    [MORE]

    https://www.rebelnews.com/cnbc_vice_president_threatens_to_punch_out_avi_yemini_in_davos?utm_campaign=cnbc_threat&utm_medium=email&utm_source=therebel

    2. Yes, folks, the fake “vaccines” are indeed a highly sophisticated eugenic bioweapon, manufactured specifically to kill off as many people around the world as possible. Mr. Unz might have a spontaneous embolic stroke at the revelation that the fake Corona Chan “vaccines” are in fact bioweapons specifically developed and manufactured at the direction of, and paid for by, the US Department of Defence. Mr. Unz seems to have come around to the understanding that the US DoD might have had “something” to do with the alleged Corona Chan “pandemic” outbreak, but perhaps it will be a leap too far to go all the way and acknowledge that the “pandemic” was just the Trojan Horse to catalyse delivery of the DoD’s fake “vaccine” bioweapon injections to the global population.

    Maybe Mr. Unz will meticulously ignore the compelling evidence that the US DoD owns the fake Corona Chan “vaccine” bioweapons, and he might even try to persuade his readers that such an allegation is simply too preposterous (“unreasonable”?) to even contemplate – good luck with that.

    Facts are facts.

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-01-16-dod-hhs-big-pharma-murder-covid-vaccines.html

    https://cairnsnews.org/2023/01/01/covid-us-dod-and-other-world-governments-bioterrorism-program-confirmed-by-twitterfiles-releases/

    https://rumble.com/v24lew4-whistleblower-us-department-of-defense-owns-implements-oversees-covid19-vac.html

    One might hope that our adorably eccentric uncle figure, Mr. Unz, will gradually emerge from his self-imposed comfort cubicle to deploy the full might of his prodigious analytic skills for the benefit of humanity in the face of the attempted subjugation of Earth to serve the Satanic Globalists.

    After all, there are way more dimensions to the WEF’s Great Reset and New World Order beyond just the fake Corona Chan “pandemic” and the fake “vaccine” bioweapons – all involving death, destruction, tyranny and slavery, and (does it really need to be said?) none of it is good.

  307. A123 says: • Website
    @1jonny

    I still think it’s probably an inadvertent lab leak. Why would either government, or any, want to intentionally release a bioweapon over which they have no control, but could well come back to adversely affect them. Weirder things happen, I know.

    I concur.

    However, lab leak suggests something on the order of a dropped test tube. The CCP shills will jump on this with earnest/paid deflection, “How did it reach the Wet Market?” Then they will try to shift the blame elsewhere.

    When dealing with CCP shills, it is important to use accurate language. For example, “Corrupt trade in infected animals contaminated the Wet Market.” This clearly ties CCP Elites to failures that their incompetence (or greed) created in their own country.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  308. @Ron Unz

    Covid has killed around 18 million people around the world, including well over a million Americans, so it’s a pretty big deal. Taking into account the billions of lives disrupted, I’d argue that except for the two world wars, it’s quite possibly the most important event of the last 100 years, easily having more impact than the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    How are you going to get people worked up consistently with the importance? Most of the dead are “useless eaters” whose deaths sadden few so compare with the multimillion lives lost to abortion as many would think. And wouldn’t just the negative health consequences of the USSR’s collapse on Russia alone exceed the perceived harm of Covid?

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  309. @Tom Welsh

    Do you have any source for the statement that “those outbreaks have been occurring naturally every few years for a century”? I had thought they were obvious only since around 2000.

    Choose whatever you like, nit pick wherever you like. Note “the Spanish flu” also likely came from China. Also in the first half of the 20th century China was being wrecked by war and famine, and the 2nd half a very closed system, thus likely affecting data collection efforts. Feel free to do you own search as well, I just sent top few search results.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30180422/

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/avianflu/timeline/avian-timeline-references.html

    https://www.foxnews.com/story/timeline-avian-and-pandemic-influenza

    https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2020/02/18/why_do_new_disease_outbreaks_always_seem_to_start_in_china.html

    1957-1958 — The “Asian flu” causes the second pandemic of the 20th century. Caused by an H2N2 virus, it begins in China and kills 1 million people worldwide, including 70,000 Americans.

    Bill gates is giving Africa 5% of what the entire content needs for food and health. How many Africans has he saved? Why do you need these fancy depopulation plans when you can just not give them money for a generation?

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bill-gates-pledges-5-wealth-090000640.html

  310. Corvinus says:
    @Pierre de Craon

    “used as a tool to eliminate privacy and freedom of association in every part of the world and to smash every distinction founded upon race, religion, ethnicity, or political or historical continuity.“

    Thanks for your excuse and scare tactic.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  311. @Tom Welsh

    Extreme pandemics aren’t as rare as we may think, according to a new study.
    The study looked at disease outbreaks over the past 400 years to estimate the yearly probability of them recurring.
    It found the probability of a pandemic with similar impact to COVID-19 is about 2% in any year.
    This means that someone born in the year 2000 would have a 38% chance of experiencing one by now.
    On this basis, a pandemic similar in scale to COVID-19 could be likely within 59 years.
    The COVID-19 pandemic may be the deadliest viral outbreak the world has seen in more than a century, but statistically, such extreme events aren’t as rare as we may think, a new study shows.

    The study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences used a newly assembled record of novel disease outbreaks over the past 400 years to estimate the intensity of those events and the yearly probability of them recurring.

    It found the probability of a pandemic with similar impact to COVID-19 is about 2% in any year, meaning that someone born in the year 2000 would have about a 38% chance of experiencing one by now.

    And that probability is only growing, which the authors say highlights the need to adjust perceptions of pandemic risks and expectations for preparedness.

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/09/pandemics-epidemics-disease-covid-likelyhood/

    So likely occurring more than every few years, just the ones that become global are rarer. (Yes I quoted WEF on purpose!)

  312. spud999 says:

    I don’t really see how this is supposed to ‘attack [only] china’ if it is a contagious virus and we have international flights every day. That’s just my basic problem with this theory. If it was deliberate, ‘attack the world because we are bored and have mental health issues, and want to see what our 10-year old MRNA research does in humans’ seems to make more sense. As we know, the military loves testing dangerous vaccines on it’s own soldiers.

    Anyway, I honestly don’t really care as much about origin speculations — if it’s like 9/11, the who and why will never be proven, all we know is the official story is a lie — and these things frighten me even more and are totally concrete:

    1) We had a world wide IQ/math test for 2+ years and most people and countries failed spectacularly
    2) The media is totally owned and useless
    3) Big pharma and state medical boards are completely corrupt, and all controlled by http://www.fsmb.org. Including internationally. Nobody gives a damn about health
    4) DOD/CIA psyops against Americans, similar to Iraq war but even more fearful, and “social media” censorship
    5) Vaccines in general should not be trusted for safety until there are long term placebo controlled trials. We’re nothing but livestock to CDC, currently they do 45 day testing and say look, no autism.
    6) Clinical trials of drugs/shots gaslight injured people and misclassify their symptoms. Disgusting and fraudulent.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  313. @Ron Unz

    It sounds like you don’t believe that Covid is real.

    I suppose that suggesting that that is my position is as good a way as any of writing me off as a crank. Perhaps I am, since I am certainly a bloody fool for scribbling a reply to you here in the ever-shifting sands of the Internet.

    Although I am in marked sympathy with the arguments of those who point out that the virus hasn’t been isolated—if it has, why are the powers that be so tight-lipped about making the evidence public?—I am nevertheless in little doubt that some sort of coronavirus exists behind all the blather, lies, and propaganda. I am in even less doubt, however, that the actual death toll for which the virus is truly responsible is no greater than the toll one might expect from a seasonal flu. (I have heard Dr. Ryan Cole and several others say that the toll is actually smaller, but never mind.)

    From the outset, the US government and its governmental serfs in capitals the world over have lied outright, both manipulated and falsified data, and killed, via their takeover of Western medicine, thousands of people who would almost certainly have recovered completely had doctors and hospitals been allowed to treat them with something other than killer ventilators and remdesivir and the other cures-of-the-week.

    The two-week lockdown to flatten the curve (will day 15 ever arrive, Ron?), the PCR test as Fauci’s gold standard (and its Nobel Prize–winning inventor’s opinion to the contrary be damned), the decertification and public shaming of MDs who cured patients with HCQ and Ivermectin (who the f–– was Hippocrates anyway, especially now that we have Fauci?)—these are just three of perhaps a score of murderously senseless, medically counterproductive, socially catastrophic, politically tyrannical, and antiscientific components of what has plainly been a larger plan* to get an already brainwashed population to surrender several more of their few remaining liberties (not to mention their income) so that literally several trillion dollars in wealth and an inconceivable quantum of political and social power could be transferred to people who already have more wealth than they could spend in thirty lifetimes.

    Via a process psychologically akin to waterboarding, it is to these power- and money-obsessed people that you have steered hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Able and Willing Conformists Posing in Their Bathroom Mirrors as Deep Thinkers, all of whom march in lockstep behind you into what looks to me like the moral and intellectual equivalent of the anteroom of Guantanamo. Congratulations.
    _____________
    *Catherine Austin Fitts sees the covid hoax and the BLM riots as intrinsic to a larger plan to radically impoverish and destroy the mobility of the middle class for the indefinite future—i.e., forever. Once one sees the evidence, it’s impossible to unsee it.

    • Thanks: Mehen
    • Replies: @Zachary Smith
    , @Emslander
  314. Wild Man says:
    @Ron Unz

    Further to my first reply comment (#296) note that this conjecture has now been elevated from conjecture status to theory status:

    covid worse than reported (in keeping with Unz’s earlier contentions) => rather false bifurcation of excess all-cause mortality into the ‘covid’ and the ‘not covid’ categories + vaxx potentiates covid => results in the mixed data signals we see

    This means the vaxx program must now completely stop. So perhaps now, we could use said theory to make some predictions, so as to test other conjectures at hand. If the false narrative front for the vaxx (as now proved false), is about creating a vehicle for forced roll-out of mRNA, we will expect that there will be moves to protect that aspect of the prior narrative now proven false. Since the prior narrative has now proven false, we should expect officialdom moves to address this (however surprisingly, and crazy like, I have noticed this can take a long time – seems like 6 months is normal). So, …. perhaps this comment can serve as a milestone on our quest to know if the ulterior agenda is truly about forcing mRNA tech upon us.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  315. @Wizard of Oz

    Mr. Unz said…

    I’d argue that except for the two world wars, it’s quite possibly the most important event of the last 100 years, easily having more impact than the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    And the Wiz said…

    Most of the dead are “useless eaters” whose deaths sadden few so compare with the multimillion lives lost to abortion as many would think.

    .. and (paradoxically?) both are right.

    We’re dealing with what’s shaping up to be the most massive genocide in recorded human history. This is becoming part of a pattern, BTW – the normalisation of the expendability of human life, as epitomised by the fully legalised and government-endorsed “full term abortion” industry in Australia, where newborn babies have their living brains sucked out and then are chopped up and sold on the meat and organ market. This is now perfectly legal and normal in every Australian state and territory.

    [MORE]

    Victorian State Premier Dictator Dan has expressed his personal intention to legalise “post birth abortion” up to 28 days after birth – and TAKE NOTE that Deadly Dan personally blocked legislation that would have required pain killers for the slaughtered babies, because that would have contaminated the baby meat and organs and rendered it unsuitable for sale. In case the penny hasn’t dropped – Dictator Dan claims to be “Catholic” but in reality worships Lucifer.

    Meanwhile, the FACT that most of the alleged Corona Chan “pandemic” deaths are actually fake “vaccine” bioweapon deaths (with many MANY millions more yet to come) is perhaps just a detail – the scale of the carnage is breathtaking, and it won’t be too long before the LOCKSTEPPED mainstream media’s smoke screen is wafted away by the enormity of the growing casualty count. Just ask the insurance actuaries or funeral directors around the world for their take on the situation.

    FWIW, the unrelenting systematic rollout of the WEF’s Great Reset will likely keep a good portion of us disoriented and off-balance. The “Climate Emergency”, “Catastrophic Contagion”, “Cyber Polygon”, the deadly “Monkeypox Pandemic”, and Lord knows what else, are all war-gamed beforehand and professionally rehearsed by a Luciferian cabal with stupendous global resources comparable only to the sinister fictional “Spectre” crime syndicate or perhaps – for those with a sense of humour – Dr. Evil’s gang.

    Maybe Klaus Schwab’s uncanny resemblance to Dr. Evil is intentional. Who would believe that such a comical figure could actually represent a serious threat to the world? The same might be said of Klaus Schwab’s uber-nerdy Mini-Me, creepy Bill Gates – except we KNOW that avowed eugenicist creepy Bill has unquestionably been responsible for the deaths of many thousands of children and the covert sterilisation of hundreds of thousand of young women with his “vaccination” programs across African, Asian and Pacific island nations.

    While we are successively focussed on and bickering about the details of each new “crisis”, the WEF leverages the hegelian dialectic to continuously nudge us all toward their “Great Reset”, complete with 90% depopulation, universal Mark of the Beast and elimination of “free will”, a New World Order in which we will all “own nothing, and be happy”.

    • Thanks: Emslander
    • LOL: Wizard of Oz
  316. RobinG says:
    @Rurik

    Suppose it wasn’t a unicorn called Covid, but just a very contagious strain of influenza. What difference would that make? I won’t even say virulent, because we knew from very early that it wasn’t statistically very lethal, but that it spread so readily that the small percentage of mortality would add up to big numbers in absolute terms.

    So I don’t care what you call it. I knew for shit sure that I didn’t want a severe deep respiratory infection. I got something 25 years ago. Didn’t go to the Dr. so don’t really know cold, flu, other. (And would the Dr. really know, anyway? How accurate are any tests?) The point is, it took a long time to recover and there was some permanent damage. Clinically observable damage. Now I’m older, weaker, and not looking for medical adventures like testing my immune system.

    They make vaccines for flu every year. Now they say this was something else and they tried to make a vaccine for it. Too soon to tell exactly how [un]successful they were.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @9/11 inside job
  317. @Wild Man

    So, …. perhaps this comment can serve as a milestone on our quest to know if the ulterior agenda is truly about forcing mRNA tech upon us.

    Dude, you nailed it with this hard core logic.

    And your postulate has ALREADY been emphatically verified, on the one hand because, far from backing down (they only ever double down), governments are now pushing these mRNA bioweapons onto annual childhood vaccination schedules and (for example) in Queensland, Australia, they are now pushing untested mRNA “vaccines” for various mild seasonal bugs beyond the alleged Corona Chan virus…

    [MORE]

    … and on the other hand, they are pushing forward with plans to inject this poisonous bioweapon shit into the food supply, just to make sure that NO-ONE can escape…

    https://cairnsnews.org/2022/10/04/nsw-liberals-as-agents-of-the-wef-intend-to-wipe-out-cattle-herd-with-mrna-jabs-where-is-the-nff/

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-01-16-us-meat-supply-infected-with-mrna-proteins.html

    Oh, and just BTW…

    https://rumble.com/v24lew4-whistleblower-us-department-of-defense-owns-implements-oversees-covid19-vac.html

    Yes, folks, this mRNA shit is poisonous, it’s a deadly US DoD bioweapon, and they are going to make damn sure that everyone on earth gets their dose.

    You can run – but you can’t hide.

  318. @Ron Unz

    Adding to my comment about your likely difficulty in getting people to agree with your assessment of the pandemics importance I note this paragraph from today’s Australian Financial Review

    The one-child policy, introduced by former leader Deng Xiaoping in 1976 in response to the country’s extreme poverty, was hugely unpopular. Described as the largest social experiment in human history, it enforced draconian limits on women’s rights to have more than one baby.

    Also

    China says its population fell by 850,000 to 1.412 billion in 2022, as births continued to drop

    As China was still locking down and not shedding surplus old geezers those figures are far more significant than anything to do with Covid.

  319. @Pierre de Craon

    Catherine Austin Fitts sees the covid hoax…

    I suppose I owe you a ‘thank you’ for revising my ideas about this woman. I’ve long had the impression she wasn’t an idiot, and that her long essays about topics like the Prison Industrial Complex were reliable. Gotta find those old files and review them. Possibly delete them.

    Regarding the isolation of the Covid viruses, don’t Internet Search Programs work for you?

    It took me all of a couple of minutes to find https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-rna-idUSL1N2LS27P listing 4 different groups which were successful. The virus has been genome sequenced at least three times!

    Pardon my sour mood, but I’ve just come from another thread where somebody was referencing a damn-fool doctor in Canada on the theme that the US didn’t use nuclear weapons in WW2 Japan.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  320. folkvangr says:
    @Emslander

    Good coinage, Mr. Unz.

    Covid=Covert Operation “Vaccine Induced Death”
    Therefore ALT-COVID sounds confusing. Anti- would sound more precise. Unz is an obfuscation virtuoso.

  321. @Zachary Smith

    Pardon my sour mood …

    There’s nothing to apologize for. The sarcasm is hardly unexpected. I can take it, as can Mrs. Fitts, though she doubtless has better things to do than linger hereabouts. Thanks for not disappointing.

  322. @Wizard of Oz

    Plus the lack of children by those born after 1990. Kids go through a grueling school system to be met by soaring houseing costs and poor job prospects. The cost to raise just one kid let alone 2-3 is enormous. The 内卷 (involution) has led to a generation that only wants to 躺平 (lay at home and do nothing because what’s the point to try anymore).

    The government has created the double reduction policy (双减) to address this, plus capped housing costs while making it harder for people not living thay city to buy real estate there. Still it’s too little too late as the damage of one child plus massive economic growth has made it more and more unattractive for the young to reproduce.

    I would look for more and more media and blockbuster movies to have a focus on raising kids in the coming future. You can already see some of this in the Covid movie they made.

    https://m.imdb.com/title/tt13696296/

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
  323. Thomm says:
    @H. L. M

    Yes, Ron has made himself a laughing stock by repeating the jew world order “operation covid” propaganda.

    Only a fool would buy into it, much less repeat it– unless he has an agenda.

    The true purpose of this website has been obvious all along.

  324. skrik says:
    @A123

    Thank you for helping my credibility. Being attacked by a known Iranian state operative, such as yourself, makes my case much more convincing.

    You’re ‘welcome’.

    This is an inaccurate quote = a deliberate lie.

    From my comment:

    Thank you for helping my credibility

    You’re ‘welcome,’ and since you regard ‘credibility = 0’ as ‘helping,’ we can assume your credibility started ‘from a low base,’ haw

    Just *one* deliberate lie sets credibility to *zero*, par for the “hasbarat” course; ho-hum: Self-convicted.

    • Replies: @A123
  325. @Skeptikal

    Big picture, what is Unz’s COVID-19 message?

    1 – Origin. Nutshell – COVID-19 was a bioweapon attack perpetrated by a small group of people, a ‘rogue faction’, in the USA against China. Effect: stoke animosity between China & US; provide cover for anything larger than a ‘rogue faction’.

    He insists on maintaining a strangely artificial separation between discussion of the origin of the COVID-19 and discussion of the response to it.

    2 – Response to COVID-19. Pro-lockdowns; parrots corrupted stats on COVID-19 deaths; seeks to attribute excess deaths in USA to obesity while absolving gene+nanotech jabs. Gives creedence to mortality #s, but blows off VAERS. Dismissive of all science related to jabs, while giving lip service to ‘reasonable concerns’ that ‘fortunately appear to be refuted’.

    All the while engaging in blatantly dishonest rhetoric and argumentation.

    Won’t acknowledge: PCR fraud; redefinition of ‘pandemic’ and ‘vaccine’; natural immunity fraud; $ incentives to attribute death to covid; jab trial fraud; etc. Just repeats talking points: million+ dead of covid; VAERS is nonsense; doesn’t know or care about alternative treatments; never discusses propaganda blitz and censorship; etc.

    Is Unz a criminal accomplice?

    • Troll: Corvinus
  326. @Wizard of Oz

    Lucky China. A sustainable population, living in an ‘ecological civilization’, with growing standards of living, with production more and more performed by robots, automation, computers, AI etc. Poor old India will over-populate to ecological catastrophe, amid rapid climate destabilisation, although the birth-rate is falling there, too. Your type will swallow ANY bilge that slanders China or predicts its doom. Racism is like that.

  327. @A123

    When dealing with lying racist Zionist trolls it is best to take a shower afterwards.

  328. @Ghan-buri-Ghan

    Malone was on Breitbart Bannon war room (founded in Israel, funded from abroad). Nearly all the players here in promoting the wuhan lab leak, and now the 2nd order backup Pentagon MIHOP theory are neocon linked, Not to mention the pfizer and other business links to Israel.

    Recall the entire story of Pentagon prior knowledge comes from the Times of Israel

    9/11 MIHOP was a fallback psyop, as is the Covid MIHOP.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  329. abcdzee says:

    If the virus was a fake just to get people to take the shots….what is in the shots?? why did they want everyone to get the shots?? and who really created the contents of the shots??

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  330. abcdzee says:
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    Have you read Michael Senger’s book: Snake oil
    https:// michaelpsenger.substack.com/p/interview-with-russell-brand

  331. @Rumpelstiltskin

    I’ve been saying for a long time that

    1. He has devoted much time and the cuttingly edgy reputation of this website to the provenance of the virus as a bio weapon.

    2. He’s stuck.

    [August 2, 2021]

    And I still think that explains why he’s so dug in.

    But the points you’ve well summarized — and his sporadic censorship of my comments since last September — have me questioning Mr. Unz’s motives and good faith.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  332. @mulga mumblebrain

    How is this sustainable?

    The total fertility rate in 2020 is 1.3, you can see that the main force of fertility is mainly the 90s, followed by the 85s, and then the 95s, as for the post-80s fertility rate is not even half of the 95s, you must know that many post-95s are still in school to find a job, and the online post-95 fertility intention is not high, it can be seen that many people will basically not have children after the age of 35.

    There is also a data, according to the National Bureau of Statistics, post-90s women already have 0.5 children in 2020 (here refers to those born in 1991-2000), and those born in 1991-1995 already have 0.8 children, and post-95s only 0.2 children in 2020, which is also normal, most of the post-95s are still in school and looking for jobs in 2019, who has the intention to get married and have children?

    https://www.zhihu.com/question/468556640?utm_id=0

    How much you wanna bet all those strong and independent post 95 “Xi-la’s” delay having kids to pursue a career?

    Maybe everyone will start living like they do in fantasy 古装片, where there is no disease and everyone is smart and beautiful (Be cool anyway). Total ecological wonderland, just wonder where all those sparrows, river dolphins and arable land went…

    Seriously you must be Chinese, you bark like a guard dog at even the tiniest inkling of a fraction of a possibility of losing face.

  333. @mulga mumblebrain

    As usual you or hominid team mascot has missed the point completely.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  334. @Ron Unz

    according to that large majority, Covid has killed around 18 million people around the world, including well over a million Americans, so it’s a pretty big deal.

    That’s hardly a very convincing yardstick.

    The ‘large majority’ also believe that :

    1) There were Manned Moon Missions
    2) A lone gunman killed JFK
    3) 19 Arabs hijacked four aircraft on 9/11, impacting with two buildings in NYC and miraculously demolishing three
    4) That eating four eggs EVERY day will raise your cholesterol levels and harm your health

    FACT : The majority believe what they do because the corrupt Zio owned MSM (ie: the New York Times and the Economist for example) told them so.

    Seriously Ron, how much of a gullible dupe would one have to be to believe anything geopolitical/pandemic related/globally consequential coming from (as Gerald Celente refers to the NYT), ‘The Toilet Paper of Record’ ?

    You also wrote (alluding to the Flu-By-Another-Name) :

    Taking into account the billions of lives disrupted, I’d argue that except for the two world wars, it’s quite possibly the most important event of the last 100 years

    As we’ve all seen, it was the GOVERNMENT RESPONSE TO COVID that resulted in said disruption.
    ie: lockdowns/fear mongering/curfews/closing down and bankrupting of non-essential businesses/purposely engineered supply chain bottlenecks/accelerated money printing that results in runaway inflation etc.
    And last, but certainly MOST, the intimidation/coercion to take these toxic clot shots which have wreaked untold havoc.

    Yes, all of the above have caused untold disruption and loss of life.
    Covid itself, as the statistics in every country that honestly reported deaths and didn’t label deaths WITH Covid as deaths FROM Covid will testify, was akin to a garden variety flu season.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  335. @Ron Unz

    I haven’t seen much on UR threads that doesn’t portrayed Pfizer in a bad, indeed malign, light so….

    CDC, FDA Flag Early Signal of Stroke Risk With Bivalent

    https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/102644

  336. @spud999

    I honestly don’t really care as much about origin speculations — if it’s like 9/11, the who and why will never be proven

    In relation to 9/11, what are you talking about ? Mr Potato-head/Spud, were you born yesterday ?

    The likes of Christopher Bollyn (to name just one among countless others), have emphatically proven the who and why behind 9/11 ?

    In fact, the ‘who’ part is exceedingly easy to answer, seeing as this depraved entity has orchestrated all of the most egregious crimes of the last century or more.
    (I’ll give you a clue: It starts with ‘Z’ and rhymes with dog).

  337. Emslander says:
    @Pierre de Craon

    Indeed.

    Unz has revealed a lot about himself with his sycophantic adherence to the fantasies of the pharmaceutical complex. I must say that I had a higher opinion of him before his panicked rush to the peanut gallery. Even the septuagenarians I sometimes have a breakfast with have started to doubt the Fauci Fantasy as they begin contracting Covid-identified sicknesses after being fully jabbed.

    I doubt that Unz is as stupid as my friends, so I have to assume that he’s become a propagandist for the moneyed lords.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  338. Emslander says:
    @Pierre de Craon

    Let’s just say that Covid is a bad cold that can be identified with the test the pharma crowd devised to do so. Maybe it’s even a lab-enhanced sickness.

    Identified as such, many millions died while their bodies contained that microbe. It’s already been shown a billion times that those deaths were either from obesity combined with hysteria, old age, cancer or car accident.

    You’re still a liar, Unz.

  339. A123 says: • Website
    @skrik

    😆 ROTFLMAO 😂

    From #98 “my original quote”

    Thank you for helping my credibility.

    Being attacked by a known Iranian state operative, such as yourself, makes my case much more convincing.

    From #151 “your inaccurate quote” — note the part in italics above that is missing.

    Thank you for helping my credibility

    You’re ‘welcome,’ and since you regard ‘credibility = 0’ as ‘helping,’ we can assume your credibility started ‘from a low base,’ haw.

    From #335 “your rule”

    This is an inaccurate quote = a deliberate lie.

    Just *one* deliberate lie sets credibility to *zero*,

    Therefore, BY YOUR OWN STANDARD, you are a deliberate liar with no credibility.

    Your paid Iranian whinging on about being treated the way you treat others is comical. You have successfully humiliated your pay master Khamenei. You really should stop posting and immediately return to Tehran for remedial re-education.

    ==============================
         We are not laughing with you.
            We are all laughing AT you.
    ==============================

    PEACE 😇

    [MORE]

    • Troll: skrik
    • Replies: @skrik
  340. Skeptikal says:
    @Greta Handel

    You and Rump. pretty much sum it up.

    Very strange indeed.

    Actually, someday a possible thesis topic for someone studying the “covid-19” information terrain.

  341. @Rurik

    I am not sure that Covid doesn’t exist I am aware of that argument, if it does exist it’s a minor illness and probably less harmful than the seasonal flu and was probably created in the Wuhan lab by Chinese and American scientists. It was probably deliberately released ,both the Chinese and US governments have tried to use it to their benefit.The Chinese have used the pandemic to further authoritarianism and censorship, and so have the Americans and other countries like the UK, no wonder people have been calling for the end of “medical tyranny!”.Covid tests are suspect and produce false positives and in the US they are produced under the low standard of an Emergency Use Authorization(EUA).Has any test been properly validated in a randomized, double-blind study? I believe that Kary Mullis stated that PCR should not be used to detect a virus.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  342. @Ron Unz

    Ron, in relation to this claim of yours that you keep repeating :

    Covid has killed around 18 million people around the world, including well over a million Americans

    You should look at the following tweet that has an admission from CNN’s Dr Leana Wen :

    That’s right Ron, even CNN’s resident doctor ADMITS that :

    the U.S. has been DRAMATICALLY overcounting Covid deaths

    Ron, it’s not too late to salvage some credibility.
    Pretty soon the whole MSM will follow in lockstep and concede that they were purposely exaggerating the numbers so as to alarm as many people as possible into taking the clot shots.

    Don’t wait to be the last to jump on the bandwagon of Covid truth.

    • Thanks: Ultrafart the Brave
  343. skrik says:
    @A123

    IF troll THEN I**3;

    1. Identify (self-convicted liar),

    2. Inform, thereafter

    3. Ignore.

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
  344. @abcdzee

    If the virus was a fake just to get people to take the shots….what is in the shots?? why did they want everyone to get the shots?? and who really created the contents of the shots??

    Dude, you sound like the proverbial voice in the wilderness.

    Rest assured, the truth is out there, and it’s available…

    https://rumble.com/v24lew4-whistleblower-us-department-of-defense-owns-implements-oversees-covid19-vac.html

    … and this…

    https://rumble.com/v25lb44-dr.-peter-mccullough-sudden-deaths-and-cardiac-events-exploding-parallel-he.html

    … and so much more, all for the finding.

    Simples!

  345. A123 says: • Website
    @skrik

    1. Identify (self-convicted liar),
    2. Inform, thereafter

    I Inform you that you have been Identified as self convicted Iranian liar.

    3. Ignore.

    I suppose you could “Ignore” yourself. But…. how would that work? In your case, it would be better to stop Taqiyya Trolling for Iran. After all you don’t want to self-convict again.

    I feel pity for you, and I offer forgiveness.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  346. @Rurik

    Recently I talked to a man who had just earned his M.D. as a psychiatrist, and when I asked him about it, he was surprisingly frank, and said he’s basically just trained to prescribe pharmaceuticals, in a way, suggesting that he was trained by Big Pharma, and now works for Big Pharma as a kind of well-paid and highly educated drug pusher.

    The ones I have known are true believers in progress. They are convinced the modern chemicals are very safe. They think a xanax prescription is excessive but will give SSRI meds to a nine-year-old.

    It’s pretty weird to be sitting in a doctor’s wait room and the pharmaceutical rep wearing an 800 dollar suit wheels in a hand-truck with five cases of new samples but marketing is way ahead of us. Almost all anyway. How many people who go to the doctor are not vaccinated? I’m not vaccine-hesitant; at this point I’m medical-establishment hesitant.

    Mr. Unz trusts his doctor. Only God could know why.

    • Agree: Rurik
  347. the idea that this was a pLandemic is as old as the pandemic, certainly in the alt-Covid community. but nobody I know thinks this was a “bioweapon” or an attack against China. the virus was rather mild except for old people and it spread globally like the flu. I think it was more about totalitarian and technocratic control of society. Ron Unz has totally missed the big picture imho.

  348. @Ron Unz

    ” Taking into account the billions of lives disrupted”

    You live in California and Newsom certainly disrupted your life. But in Florida and Sweden and other places life hasn’t been disrupted at all. Politicians disrupted life, not a mild coronavirus.

    • Agree: allergic2katz
  349. If one believes SARS-COV2/COVID-19 is real and that it is a bioweapon, and truly desires to figure out the truth of who is responsible, wouldn’t such a person carefully scrutinize the suppression of early and effective treatments that appeared long before the gene jab?

    My observation, when Ron has a clever pilpul answer he responds, when he doesn’t — silence and back to grinding his axe. Which will it be this time?

    [MORE]

    https://www.winterwatch.net/2022/12/the-use-of-pilpul-to-cloud-and-obscure-issues-and-discussions/

    “The more I debated with them the more familiar I became with their argumentative tactics. At the outset they counted upon the stupidity of their opponents, but when they got so entangled that they could not find a way out they played the trick of acting as innocent simpletons. Should they fail, in spite of their tricks of logic, they acted as if they could not understand the counter arguments and bolted away to another field of discussion. They would lay down truisms and platitudes; and, if you accepted these, then they were applied to other problems and matters of an essentially different nature from the original theme. If you faced them with this point they would escape again, and you could not bring them to make any precise statement. Whenever one tried to get a firm grip on any of these apostles one’s hand grasped only jelly and slime which slipped through the fingers and combined again into a solid mass a moment afterwards. If your adversary felt forced to give in to your argument, on account of the observers present, and if you then thought that at last you had gained ground, a surprise was in store for you on the following day. The Jew would be utterly oblivious to what had happened the day before, and he would start once again by repeating his former absurdities, as if nothing had happened. Should you become indignant and remind him of yesterday’s defeat, he pretended astonishment and could not remember anything, except that on the previous day he had proved that his statements were correct. Sometimes I was dumbfounded. I do not know what amazed me the more–the abundance of their verbiage or the artful way in which they dressed up their falsehoods.”

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  350. @Emil Nikola Richard

    Mr. Unz trusts his doctor. Only God could know why.

    Seriously – even God doesn’t know why.

  351. according to yhwh Ptaah (the overseer of planet erra, terra, and amateban) sinoamerican virus was leaked from wuhan institute in january 2019 (not november) due to the carelessness of two laboratory workers. both of them had died in 2019. it is unclear whether they died because of the virus or something else (such as falling from the stairs, getting hit by an electric shock, or some others). yhwh Ptaah only said that both of them had died.

    on a different occasion, yhwh Ptaah said that sinoamerican virus (sars cov 2) has almost no similarity with sars virus. to me, that is interesting. if sars cov 2 is not the sequel of sars cov, then of what?

  352. Rurik says:
    @RobinG

    Suppose it wasn’t a unicorn called Covid, but just a very contagious strain of influenza. What difference would that make?

    a pretext for hysteria and excuse for government extreme overreaction?

    like I said, Fauci was instrumental in lying to the nation about AIDs, for their own dishonest agenda. I see no reason to think he’d become reformed in the years since, but rather only more arrogant.

    and they needed to get rid of Trump, the plandemic provided the means.

    from what I know, Sweden didn’t do lock-downs and other draconian abuses of power, and they ended up just fine.

    I think they hyped it. They always hype things that suit some agenda of theirs. Why do you think they control the media, if not to abuse the power from time to time. What’s the point of all that power, if you don’t avail yourself of it, if only for amusement, to see the lab-rats all scurrying around.

    In the case of Covid, it seems, (at least insofar as Murka used it) was to get rid of Trump, (even if it was a gift) and foist upon the people this vaccine, which, like you mention, the end result of is not yet fully known.

    As for your own, personal prudence, why wouldn’t you take caution? All the at-risk people I knew, (the elderly and so forth) all did so, and why not?

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @RobinG
  353. Rurik says:
    @9/11 inside job

    I agree with all you stated, and I confess I really don’t know about the Covid test.

    Maybe it’s fake. I’m no expert, but I do wonder why the experts seem to know so little about Covid, and its provenance. You’d think with all the technology at their finger tips, that they’d know a little more than ‘we don’t know where it came from’, but it’s so serious with a 99.4% (or whatever) survival rate, that we’re going to strip you of all your rights, and lock you down, and mandate masks and this new experimental vaccine, to keep you all ‘safe’.

    To me it’s like they’re treating us like cattle. Like we’re their livestock. And the sad thing is, so often, that how ‘we’re’ acting.

  354. RobinG says:

    This is almost 2 hrs., but may be interesting.

    The Pandemic Origin and the Biowarfare Arms Race with Sam Husseini
    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/straight-talk-md/id1060256849?i=1000595055373

    “Sam has covered the COVID-19 pandemic origins since the beginning and covered WMD’s since 9/11. Today, we discuss the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic, the origins of the massive escalation in the bioweapons/biodefense arms race, Amerithrax, Dr Fauci, and the concerted disinformation campaign to misdirect the public’s attention away from highly risky biodefense research.”

  355. @RobinG

    Yes, they make vaccines for the flu and like the Covid vaccines they are neither safe nor effective.I have known people who have become quite sick from the flu vaccine and the studies show they aren’t that effective from preventing the flu, it’s just another huge money maker for big pharma as the market for flu vaccines is so huge and the marketing so pervasive, unfortunately, people believe that vaccines are a magic bullet

    • Replies: @RobinG
  356. Rurik says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    Mr. Unz:

    Taking into account the billions of lives disrupted, I’d argue that except for the two world wars, it’s quite possibly the most important event of the last 100 years

    As we’ve all seen, it was the GOVERNMENT RESPONSE TO COVID that resulted in said disruption.

    there was, also as you mentioned, 9/11

    which I consider to be the seminal event of the 21st century

    Covid may have caused the death of millions, but they likely died in a bed, surrounded by loved ones.

    Whereas 9/11 has been used to slaughter, maim, torture, orphan and displace untold millions, and not because they were elderly with co-morbidities, but children and young people in the prime of their lives, and murdered all due to ZOG’s genocidal treachery and devil’s lies.

    It’s one thing to die of, say heart disease or Covid, because of fate or God or someone’s accident, or even malfeasance, but to destroy entire nations, and plunge millions upon millions of people into a hell on earth, for the worst ‘reasons’ known to man, (blood-lust and race-hate), including the treasonous evisceration of the hard-won Constitutional freedoms in this country, is far, far worse than what Covid has wrought.

    The only way I see Covid rising to the level of demented, murderous treachery as 9/11, and significance to the human species, is if the vaccine is a calculated weapon of further subjugation and genocide, (targeting specific populations in specific ways), and if everything I know about these people is true, then it possibly is.

    But we won’t know the extent of it, until the long-term consequences of the vaccine are better known.

    But we do know that 9/11 was conceived, and perpetrated to mass-murder untold millions, and ‘destroy seven nations in five years’, and extinguish the hard-won freedoms of the Western world, all so that ZOG could enslave to planet to its eternal, genocidal blood-lust.

    For Covid to reach those depths, is going to require some pretty nasty vaccine outcomes.

  357. @Emil Nikola Richard

    I’m not vaccine-hesitant; at this point I’m medical-establishment hesitant.

    Very aptly worded indeed. I have felt the same for nigh on to two years now.

    I have known my cardiologist, an independent integrative practitioner who was a protégé of Robert Atkins, for more than twenty years. Since he accepts neither Medicare nor any form of insurance, seeing him has long been a financial hardship but one I thought was worth it. Almost from the start of the covid hoax, however, he has played along 100 percent with the Establishment grift, right down to the useless and pointless masking nonsense and the pretense that the covid monster is hiding under every bed and desk, just waiting to devour the unvaxxed and unwary. Better to be ill than to pay for the privilege of being lied to!
    _______________
    A new column by Paul Craig Roberts examines how the practice of medicine has been utterly corrupted in the past thirty years. I recommend it to all.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  358. @Emslander

    You are fortunate to have a better class of septuagenarians to associate with than I do—and I say that as a septuagenarian myself (though not for much longer).

    There are many kindhearted and generous oldsters in my apartment building (I’ve lived here thirty years), but sadly, their minds are closed to everything but the (((Narrative))). During the hoax’s first eighteen months, some of them expressed dismay and criticism when they saw that I never wore a mask. The two people I know best and like most are a couple that has lived here much longer than I have. All their kids were very young when I moved here, and they are now middle-aged and have lovely kids of their own. When I saw my neighbors two or three days ago, they were just returning from a local chain drugstore, where they had gotten their fourth booster.

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I learned long ago that, with them and with a great many others, silence is best. They refuse to see the truth because truth isn’t what the government and other “authorized” sources are dispensing. I hope that their closemindedness doesn’t cost them their lives.
    __________

    This being Wednesday, it’s the day that the weekly newsletter from Pierre Kory and the FLCCC hits my mailbox. Here’s a link to the cover page: https://frontlinecovid-19criticalcarealliance.salsalabs.org/mystoryandfortherecordbiweeklynews1?wvpId=37438a6f-260a-437d-9290-bb0cb470798a

  359. @Wizard of Oz

    No, Wizz-I grasp the facts, not ‘the point’. The ‘point’ is the agit-prop trope that you have swallowed, holus-bolus, as ever. I alse ‘miss’ eating cat-shit, but there you go.

  360. Skeptikal says:
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    ” he pretended astonishment and could not remember anything, except that on the previous day he had proved that his statements were correct.”

    Most entertaining.

    Precisely describes Ron Unz’s constant assertions that “As for every other point you raise, I think I have clearly debunked them.”

    The gourmet treatment is first to bestow a childish insult on the rational debater, and THEN, like a common braggart, congratulate himself on his successful “debunking.”

  361. Wild Man says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I read the piece. I dunno about Curtis Yarvin. His writing, when I infrequently come across it, seems to never fail to leave me unimpressed, … like something is off, ….. because he draws word pictures and then the word-picture conclusions he draws often do not follow. This is what I mean, with respect to this article:

    Though the article is from May 17, 2021 , – parsing his central message, he seems to be saying that the western (and the Chinese and everyone’s) response to the covid phenomenon, has been not-so-good, and the seeds of these shortcomings were planted well before the outbreak was an ‘inkling in a humanized mouse’s eye’, due to the specialists (the scientific specialists) deciding upon:

    Meta-science—the decision of what science to do—is a customer of scientific knowledge, but its decisions are phronetic

    Phronetic basically means ‘with practical wisdom’. Yarvin thinks that the meta-science-decisioning should be made by generalists (I think hew means polymaths, but whatever), and I see his good point. But then Yarvin uses that set-up, to go on to imply this means the outcomes experienced (wonky covid officialdom decisions, but mainly the outbreak in the first place) are a product of this problem of us having allowed the ‘specialists to decide which problems to tackle’ dynamic, occurring within western science (and by proxy, the product of western science as practiced in China, as well). All well and good, but has Yarvin failed to notice that it is not really the specialists that decide which problems to tackle (though I can see how some particularly narrowly-focused specialists may indeed think that to be the case)?

    Let me give a non-covid example, to better illustrate what I mean. The climate change narrative has been manipulated by generalists, who have achieved that manipulation, by deciding which ‘specialists’ have the floor, with respect to meta-science-decisioning. It’s beyond obvious, once you take a closer look.

    It seems to me that Yarvin is just another variety of those that cover for those generalists, …. i.e. – those who indeed decide which ‘specialists’ have the floor, with respect to meta-science-decisioning, …. and I must say, these generalists are better described as corporative-faux-west-globalists. It appears that Yarvin is just another shell-game-chump-maker, for a slightly higher intelligence bracket (look here – at the abysmal state of our science-making or science-doing, because specialist are not generalists, but not over there, where you will otherwise see that yes, Yarvin has it half right, …. because the narrow specialists are often going to be too narrowly focused to see how they have been featured as a funded-dupe, …. but then, on the other hand, Yarvin has it primarily wrong, because it isn’t the specialists actually calling the shots (but many specialists, as funded-dupes who have been chosen to get to decide what other specialists in their field get funding, and for what, probably think they are).

    It’s as if this Curtis Yarvin doesn’t have an imagination, i.e. – isn’t imaginative enough to see what I spelled out in the paragraph above (when we know he does, by his writing style, ….. like I said … something is off).

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  362. Corvinus says:
    @Pierre de Craon

    Don’t be too hard on yourself. Just stay in your lane and things will be fine.

  363. Mehen says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Mr. Unz trusts his doctor. Only God could know why.

    I think I know why.

    The medical establishment — whether direct provider, hospital administration, academic journals, etc — evinces the same over representation of The Tribe as we see in many other sectors of American society.

    And hubris is a key, central psychosocial feature of this sub-population.

    They know best, as distinct from the proles, you see.

    You wouldn’t want to be “anti-science,” would you, goy?

    The goy upper-middle “Professional Managerial Class” who have bought into the myth of the “Religion Of Progress” go along to get along, since they assume their Khazarian “managers” have only the best intentions.

    And they want to be on the side of SCIENCE and PROGRESS.

    They think history is a linear progression without end, and not a circular cycle.

    Ron is either blinded by his pride, or compromised.

    I see no third option.

    I do, however, begin to appreciate Thomm’s warnings that this site is a honeypot.

    Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t.

    Either way I’ll look forward to spending time with my favorite TUR commenters in the 21st century gulag (you know who you are).

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  364. Either way I’ll look forward to spending time with my favorite TUR commenters in the 21st century gulag (you know who you are).

    Holy Shit!

    … alternatively – Pig’s Arse!

  365. @Mehen

    Ron is either blinded by his pride, or compromised.

    I see no third option.

    Still on the matter of Ron’s blind obsession with the ‘official’ Covid deaths in the U.S and elsewhere, comes this excerpt from a newsletter I got emailed to me by the makers of ‘The Real Anthony Fauci’ film :

    [MORE]

    According to Statista, there have been 1.1 million COVlD-related deaths recorded in the US.

    But we already know this is NOT an accurate representation… because these deaths were perpetrated to make the world believe that COVlD is lethal – when it’s not.

    In fact, the US has the highest number of deaths due to the mandate of deadly protocols.

    Dr. Bryan Ardis was one of the first to publicise this after he heartbreakingly lost his father-in-law after being hospitalised for COVlD…

    “My father-in-law walked into a hospital in February with fever and headache. He was murdered over a 9-day period in a hospital here in Dallas, Texas because of the protocols they used to drug him to death, which is what they did.”

    A slew of other experts and whistleblowers have reported the same thing.

    Yes Ron Unz, there was excess all cause mortality in the U.S (especially in 2020), but this was due to the RESPONSE by the USG and corrupt U.S Health bureaucracies.

    Bottom Line : In the last year or so, Ron Unz did make the concession that the vaxx may well be killing thousands, but he countered by saying that the vaxx was saving the lives of millions.

    As the vaxx death toll kept rising, Ron would once again counter by saying that Covid was killing countless millions worldwide, that it was SO DEADLY that we had to take the risk and forfeit the lives of many thousands due to vaxx adverse outcomes, because there would be a NET benefit.

    That’s why Ron is FORCED to keep pumping up the ‘numbers killed by Covid’ narrative.
    That way, no matter how many fall by the wayside from the vaxx, Ron will justify it by saying that the vaxx saved multiples more from this ‘deadly contagion’.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
    , @Wild Man
  366. @How do you know its a real Durer

    You are wrong. The loudest CCP dogs like mulga mumblebrain don’t live in China. And in his case, doesn’t even have Chinese language skills. He would’t even know about this latest Chinese internet meme,

    https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/人矿

    You are also wrong about China’s population decline. Qing was already overpopulated at 450 million on the eve of Taiping War. This would be the first time China’s population declined without massive civil war, famine, and practice of cannibalism. A sign of progress.

  367. @How do you know its a real Durer

    Well, you are plainly a Sinophobe racist. Me, I just admire them. They’ll face up to their problems, and no-one is better equipped than they to deal with them. Day after day, year after year, racist Sinophobes discover new ways in which China will ‘collapse’. It’s just wishful thinking of those who imagine that the White, Judeo-Christian, West is the summit of humanity, and all others merely lesser beings. That China, over the last seventy years, has disproved that racist religion, has set Western supremacist Sinophobes apoplectic with RAGE, and, as I said, wishful thinking. PS the sparrows are fine, now, arable land is stable at c.13% of the country and has been for forty years, and reforested land is growing nicely. One species of river dolphin (the finless porpoise)was saved, the other lost, as were several other unique river species.
    However, the Chinese are capable of learning, unlike Westerners like you who simply know-it-all. Very strong efforts are ongoing to improve the environment of the country, and a lower human population will help. You no doubt know NOTHING of China’s determination to create an ‘ecological civilization’ because your type want NOTHING to do with any good news from China.

  368. @Israeli bio weapon

    Destroying China is a Zionazi IMPERATIVE. If China rises to a position where countries need no longer bow and scrape before Thanatopolis DC, there goes decades of effort by the Zionazis to take over the global Big Boss, and run it from behind, and, increasingly, in the front of, the scenes.
    No Zionazi can ever melt into the background in China. The Chinese regard Jews as fellow human beings, not ‘Gods Upon the Earth’. Jews cannot simply buy politics as they do in the West, in China. They cannot control the MSM or the Internet in China, or ‘entertainment’. The Chinese suffered a several times greater ‘Holocaust’ during WW2 than did the Jews, so they, while respecting Jewish suffering and memory, will never allow it to be used as a form of moral blackmail. When Bibi Nutty-yahoo visits China he is politely received, but when he visits the US colonies, the natives throw themselves onto the floor, in ecstasies of groveling hysteria.

  369. @Wild Man

    The trick to reading a text like this is if you see something off, don’t store that part. Just skim ahead.

    Texts that are worth digesting in their entirety will rarely (almost never) do that. Rule of thumb: if it doesn’t make sense it isn’t true. This ain’t quantum mechanics. : )

  370. @mulga mumblebrain

    The first jury was apparently split but in favour of acquittal and I’d you read the long judgment of Mark Winberg in the minority on the Court of Appeal but the one really experienced ad vapable criminal lawyer involved you would nderstand why a retired non religious Court of Appeal judge said to me “thank G for Mark Weinberg”. As a sceptics scepticism and contrarian I would have ac epted that George Pell might have had a mirky sexual pastas a young priest but all the people I know who knew him, Jewish, atheist, agnostic, Anglican whatever thought him innocent and said so.

  371. @Kratoklastes

    if I have time I may follow this up as you, unlike MM seem to have a same and knowledgeable enough approach. it eing a small world I intersect your story as the person who brought about the sacking of a shadow Attorney-General by discovering that he had given a reference to/for Mokbel😎

  372. RobinG says:
    @9/11 inside job

    Rabies. ((Thats all for you.)

  373. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    You are also wrong about China’s population decline. Qing was already overpopulated at 450 million on the eve of Taiping War. This would be the first time China’s population declined without massive civil war, famine, and practice of cannibalism. A sign of progress.

    Well the Chinese themselves certainly don’t think so otherwise they wouldn’t have built so many apartment flats, have 60% of their people’s wealth in real estate, or you know, the law changes I mentioned that are encouraging people to have more kids-they killed the multi-billion dollar training school industry in a matter of months to decrease the perceived cost of raising a kid. I also probably largely agree with you guys that eternal population growth is not good (more immigrants good oh vey!), but the .2 children per women born after 95 they’re looking at now needs to be addressed before we can get to the promised land. Also population numbers before and after the invention of NPK fertilizer need to be taken in ro consideration.

    I guess we’ll see what direction they go in now that zero covid is finally over.

    https://www.rba.gov.au/publications/bulletin/2020/jun/chinas-residential-property-sector.html#:~:text=This%20has%20led%20to%20real%20estate%20accounting%20for,properties%2C%20rental%20markets%20are%20still%20developing%20in%20China.

    人矿 is new for me as well, thanks for sharing that. Also I think he may be ABC or just takes Anglin to literally, but that’s just speculation.

  374. RobinG says:
    @Rurik

    a pretext for hysteria and excuse for government extreme overreaction?

    No. (And there may be a term for this type of speculation, a kind of logical fallacy perhaps.) They didn’t need a pretext. If they called it flu, they could cite the specter of 1918. Italy was the trigger, IMO. The exponential spread, the sudden death count, the local quarantines. What to do here? Panic, and a hodge-podge response. US had no real lockdown, as much as people complain.

    Governments are vulnerable. They’re blamed no matter what happens. (If they do emergency drills, they’re accused of plotting something. But if they cope badly with disasters, they’re accused of being ill-prepared.) Sweden did okay. (I have lots of cousins there.) But Norway did much better, as did Belarus which is about the same size. There are way too many variables to make a cursory judgement.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  375. FWIW, here’s someone that Mr. Unz considers to be no more than an inconsequential door-to-door shoe salesman – but he apparently regards himself as Planet Earth’s upcoming Supreme Ruler…

    https://truthtube.video/watch/klaus-schwab-says-the-world-will-no-longer-be-run-by-superpowers-like-america_ztlaRtS2CVPxlEX.html

    To be fair, Mr. Schwab, alias nondescript mild-mannered door-to-door shoe salesman, counts the likes of creepy Bill and George Soros and Larry Fink as his “partners”, and he has legions of his WEF Young Global Leader apprentices entrenched in key positions of governance in just about every nation on Earth, and they are ALL determined to bring in their New World Order in which we will all “own nothing, and be happy” – a world uncannily similar to George Orwell’s 1984.

    Even Martin Armstrong (whose AI program Socrates has NEVER been wrong – EVER) warns that the WEF is a pack of psychos who represent an existential threat to the entire world, although Socrates forecasts that they will ultimately be decisively defeated by sometime around 2032.

    So who’s right, Mr. Unz – you or Klaus Schwab?

  376. @Kratoklastes

    I’ve wasted enough time following the clues you have given and can’t identify your friend M vy either first name or surname or fame as a criminal lawyer. Who was it?

    Thecsupposed problem with the retrospective legislation is non existent. The general principle against retrospectively is that it shouldn’t change substantive rights and duties as contrasted with procedural ones, and that nearly always makes good sense

    I don’t believe for a moment that barristers received threats that challenge to the constitutionality of the legislation would be career ending or that any self respecting barrister (99%) would take it seriously other than to object to its impropriety. Perhaps you have got confused by a nutty barrister being told he was abusing the processes of the Court and likely to he barred as a vexatious litigant???

  377. @anonymous



    Video Link

    We Should Be Very Suspicious- Dr. Lee Merritt About Dr. Robert Malone – 4-23-22

    CIA O

  378. pq says:

    How long will Ron continue with this dumb idea? If you want to say a virus either escaped or was released, explain to me step by step the exact technology used to make this happen.

    [MORE]

    Does he really not understand that a “virus” is nothing more than a bunch of nucleic acids, proteins and other goop that show up as an IMAGE on a COMPUTER? Software is then used to code and sequence the fluorescence and come up with a bunch of letters.

    A virus is not like arsenic that can be poured into someone’s drink or some spray that can be released into the air like DDT or other pesticides. When they say they used viruses to kill rats in labs, they inject rats with large doses of toxic stuff, so of course the rats dies. Viruses do not have legs to either escape or be released.

    The reference sequence from Wuhan, i.e. the first ever sars cov 2 sequence. The only reason it’s the first is because it was published as the first. If they’d gone around taking lung fluid from every person on the planet who had pneumonia in December 2019, we’d have about five million “new” viruses.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/1798174254

    THIS IS THE FIRST 300 characters of the “VIRUS”:
    1 attaaaggtt tataccttcc caggtaacaa accaaccaac tttcgatctc ttgtagatct
    61 gttctctaaa cgaactttaa aatctgtgtg gctgtcactc ggctgcatgc ttagtgcact
    121 cacgcagtat aattaataac taattactgt cgttgacagg acacgagtaa ctcgtctatc
    181 ttctgcaggc tgcttacggt ttcgtccgtg ttgcagccga tcatcagcac atctaggttt
    241 cgtccgggtg tgaccgaaag gtaagatgga gagccttgtc cctggtttca acgagaaaac

    https://www.researchgate.net/figure/A-Influenza-low-density-microarray-layout-Sequences-1-7-and-10-13-target-influenza-A_fig2_51239862

    This is how one strain of fly virus looks. It’s a mathematical MATRIX of fluorescence.

  379. folks let’s face it, Ron Unz is a paranoid crank. He probably always was one, but during the last three years he has gone completely nuts. Just imagine seriously supporting Chinese lockdowns. And apparently he totally missed that indy media for three years have suspected that cov was a planned pandemic = plandemic.

    • Agree: Emslander
  380. “He insists on maintaining a strangely artificial separation between discussion of the origin of the COVID-19 and discussion of the response to it.”

    Yes, but this is because he falsely believed the cov was a “bioweapon”, and so he supported the whole lockdown and suppression agenda. If he admitted he was wrong about the bioweapon, he would have to admit he was wrong about everything else, and he wasted three years of his life as a useful idiot on behalf of the deep state. Which is precisely what he did!

    • Replies: @RobinG
  381. Wild Man says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    “That’s why Ron is FORCED to keep pumping up the ‘numbers killed by Covid’ narrative. That way, no matter how many fall by the wayside from the vaxx, Ron will justify it by saying that the vaxx saved multiples more from this ‘deadly contagion’.”

    Maybe not quite like that. Let’s suppose vaxx potentiates covid. In all likelihood, as the data is showing, that is at least one of the causal themes apparent (but there is more than one causal them apparent, as we can intuit, by way of the mild to middling size of the various correlations, as deemed non-anomalous), …. correlations of 1) rising rates of covid tied to concurrent rising rates of non-covid excess all-cause mortality (Unz’s main data interpretation point, but perhaps he is glossing over the ‘concurrent’ aspect)…. and 2) the correlations between rising vaxxing rates and subsequent rise in both (a) covid mortality; and (b) non-covid all-cause mortality.

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    The feedback-circularity of some of these correlations, I (and others, … Mehen, and perhaps gay troll, and perhaps others here) think shows some permutation of the following is probably the simplest way to interpret the data:

    covid worse than reported (in keeping with Unz’s earlier contentions) => rather false bifurcation of excess all-cause mortality into the ‘covid’ and the ‘not covid’ categories + vaxx potentiates covid => results in the mixed data signals we see

    There was a comment-thread under another recent article about all this, culminating in this comment, outlining all this in greater detail:

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/vaccine-smackdown-editor-ron-unz-vs-anti-vaxx-crackpot/#comment-5765038

    Of course it could be more complicated that that, with a side eddy of vaxx more directly implicated in some of the excess all cause mortality as well, and that is the more likely scenario, to my mind, at least at this moment.

    I really don’t see how Ron has a way to argue that the vaxx saved any lives, on balance, despite the potential for a sliding range on the actual covid IFR. If the vaxx truly potentiates covid, then it is game over for the vaxxing folks’ pretensions that on balance, the vaxx saved lives. I mean, ….. the covid officialdom authorities were actually saying something very close to that, right to our faces, as they were perpetrating this vaxx fiasco on us all, ….. the official word coming from them at the time, was that there was some begrudging acknowledgement that vaxx wasn’t really de-potentiating covid (the whole ‘vaxx efficacy against transmission’ ever-changing vastly-wonky and stunningly-crazy officialdom claims) but was somehow reducing overall sickness (illness severity and death) anyways. How does that wonky narrative work? It amounts to naming the vaxx program, by the officialdom authorities, as a ‘therapeutic’ and not a ‘vaxx’, by that juncture. OK, …. that means we are to judge this product based solely on it’s therapeutic agency. How do we measure that? By the epidemiological measures, after elevated rates of this so-called ‘vaxx’ therapeutic are introduced, upon subsequent covid mortality and all-cause mortality. What do we see? Instead of falling rates of covid mortality and all-cause mortality, we see the opposite.

    I must admit it is really quite stunning to me that much of this has gone over Unz’s head (if we are to take him at his word on the topic). If we are take Unz at his word, then he will soon have to be in the business of discrediting the worthiness of the esteem he has featured for those in his elitist circles. I can imagine that process would be quite emotionally painful, and something to be avoided, if possible.

    It seems that Steven Hsu might be one enamored with transhumanist technologies. This whole covid phenomenon, has shed some bad light on transhumanisn overall, … revealing that it is not nearly ready for prime time, yet practitioners seem to possess the pretension that it is. Is Unz’s vision clouded because he is hanging with the wrong people? Like I said, to me … that admission would be really quite stunning to me. Isn’t Unz, with his high-rank IQ, supposed to be a thought-leader?

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  382. @ govno Ron Unz is pretty openminded though imv / he runs this site & allows critical comments towards his persona

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    Video Link

    Albert Bourla Pfffff ceo / confronted with an avalanch of questions / lost his tongue

    Note the comment of Marc Charles

    “Staged. There is no way Bourla would be in the open for this long, and walking down the street. Bourla’s assistant says, “Albert this way” as they “try” to find the VIP entrance. Theatre to mock the masses. Also the puppet “reporters” don’t have security badges, or the special hologram security badge. ”

    ( Reminds me of we are change Luke Rudkovsky “confronting” Jacob R. in the streets in the evening and Larry Silverstein 10+ years ago / these 2 vids are on youtube btw )

    CIA O

  383. Ron Unz says “…most of the scientific and media establishment claiming it was natural, but a strong and vocal minority arguing that it had been bioengineered, presumably leaking from the Chinese virus research lab located in Wuhan.” This is not true at all, and is risible. The virologists involved (Fauci’s funded friends) put up a great media-supported cover-up, but in PRIVATE most scientists I correspond with felt the virus was probably engineered in a lab (see human not coronavirus Arginine codons in the furin cleavage site). The minority who tried to comment were heavily censored, and most scientists KNOW that their funding, livelihoods, and careers depend on NOT contradicting the Official Narratives; only fools (or we retired people) tried to speak out (mostly censored).
    The US has extensively used biowarfare against agricultural products (crops and livestock) since at least the Korean War. It is a small step to unleashing bioweapons targeting the Elderly (the Leaders in most countries) as SARS-CoV2 was known to do from first Chinese observations in early 2020. It is a slippery slope.
    Increasingly SARS-CoV2 strains have been discovered in biological samples from at least as early as August 2019; most likely there were several “leaks” of the virus until the Wuhan strain attracted global attention. Whether this was from the CIA or other war criminal organizations, or just escape in young lab workers (where Covid is essentially a mild cold or flu, common everywhere).
    Increasingly also it is obvious that there were no million Americans dying OF Covid. When you give physicians and families a financial incentive for deaths to be labelled Covid, the numbers will go up. Even as incompetent (malicious?) as the US health care system is their Covid response looked worse than just about every other country, which is implausible (but kept the fear porn at fever pitch). While many countries did not distinguish between dying OF or WITH Covid, the US was the most egregious (compassionate?) example labelling traffic accident, fentanyl overdose, and dementia deaths, etc as Covid deaths, for the increased hospital and family federal funding.

    • Thanks: Emslander
    • Replies: @RobinG
  384. Wild Man says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    Further to my first response comment (#394), I am going to be as succinct as possible here, as to what happened over the course of the summer and fall of 2021:

    [MORE]

    The people were told that if they took the mRNA jab therapy, then, when they did subsequently get sick with covid, it would be milder than it would be otherwise, because the therapy screws with their antibody mix.

    In a nutshell, that is what we were told. Why would anyone sign up for that? But, especially Unz? I think children, even, are intuitively aware of how immunity works, and that the gift of partial immunity is no gift at all, but a bag-o-shite. Before puberty even, your average child has been sick enough times, to know, whilst in the doldrums of partial immunity during a recovery from an illness that drags on, ….. this, is not a happy place to be and seems to be a place fraught with the potential danger of quickly turning bad again.

    Once the vaxx mandates followed this lemming like uptake of what I think should have appeared to be snake oil to your average 12 year old, … now in the late fall/early winter of 2021, we crossed over the line into absolute bizzaro world. No other way to see it. Why most others didn’t and some still don’t, is quite mysterious to me. Prior to covid, generally, I had a higher opinion of the body politic. I am still trying to reconcile that.

  385. mkr says:

    Here’s a paper showing that Covid-19 has a patented strand of Moderna DNA at its furin cleavage site, the part of the virus that makes it human transmissible. Moderna patented this strand of DNA in 2017:

    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fviro.2022.834808/full

    Here’s the Moderna CEO on the Maria Bartiromo show being confronted about the patented Moderna DNA, he says “his people are looking into it”, and “it’s possible that it might be a gain of function virus released from Wuhan”:

    https://rumble.com/vvw4rt-moderna-ceo-confronted-dna-in-corona-virus-contain-sequences-patented-by-mo.html

    The “vaccine” made by Moderna uses mRNA instructions that instruct the body to manufacture the virus’ spike protein, the spike protein includes the virus’ furin cleavage site that incorporates the patented strain of Moderna DNA that makes it human transmissible, how then could Moderna not know this whole time that their patented strand of DNA was present in the virus’ spike protein since they made mRNA for the virus’ spike protein that includes their patented DNA sequence? It seems (I’m being generous here) that he is buying time by not acknowledging the gravity of the Moderna patented DNA sequence being present in the virus and also present in the “vaccines” mRNA instructions.

    It’s lie after lie after lie with these people, just one thing after another, how anyone trusts anything at all regime Covid is beyond me. Can’t trust the masks, social distancing, lockdowns, PCR tests, PCR test swabs, quick tests, quick test swabs, the “vaccine”, Remdesivir, Paxlovid, regime statistics, the regimes word, the regimes deeds, the virus’ origin, hospitals, universities, corporations, the military, the government in general, the deep state, the FBI, the CIA, the FDA, the CDC, NIAID, complicit foreign governments, the WEF, the so-called West, the five eyes nations, the list goes on and on, everything regime Covid is not trustworthy, proven lies, it’s all a fraud, the only thing we know for sure that is not a fraud is that they are injecting people with a substance that is neither safe nor effective, causes disability and death, and does nothing to prevent Covid infections, ICU admissions, and Covid deaths.

    • Thanks: Emslander
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  386. Sean says:

    Here’s something that’s been bugging me. How did U.S. intelligence analysts pick up on what they deemed a dangerous novel virus in China at a time when there’s no good evidence China had picked up on it or was concerned?

    First of all we do not really know when the first cases were known or when pandemic started or what the Chinese government knew and when. Also the local CCP bos tried to keep news about the pandemic quiet.

    It was the DIA that supposedly came up with the warning and the DIA are about analyzing a vast amount of data gathered from satellites and electronic intercepts and finding patterns in it. It was the DIA that pinpointed where ten Russian generals in Ukraine were so they could be killed. The head of Russian army electronic warfare was certainly assassinated that way.

    Using biological weapons under the cover of an endemic or natural disease occurrence provides an attacker the potential for plausible denial.

    One would have to assume the Chinese were some kind of morons to think that a denial would work. If the covid pandemic was a bioweapon then the Chinese know it was. So they are just sitting there quietly waiting for the next and much more precisely ethnic genetic bioweapon, are they? Give me strength!

    Why did Radio Free Asia and the Washington Times introduce and promote the idea of Covid as a Chinese bioweapon/

    If they did then it must be because they are numbskulls who don’t think about the plausibility of the Chinese attacking ethnic Chinese with a bioweapon on China’s doorstep. A mistake at Wuhan by China’s own researchers is the most likely origin for the pandemic.

    • Agree: Johnny Rico
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  387. Skeptikal says:

    Mulga (comment 307, I believe):
    The idea that Malone took the jab because he “had to travel” is ludicrous.
    If anyone knew that the jabs were wonky—somewhere between useless and life-threatening—it was Malone.
    Where did he have to travel to?
    Vacation?
    When did he start to “regret” it?
    When the s—started to hit the fan when true health advocates such as Dr. Peter McCullough and Dr. Zelenko started to hit the air waves?

    [MORE]

    I expect he got a saline jab and decided to “come out” re “regretting” when the timing was right, for him or for someone else.
    He is now on the public bandwagon and has some kind of political role to play.
    Surprised that you would fall for this.

    Regarding “mass formation,” Le Bon, Desmet, et al., and now the microbiologist Malone (!!), surely you can see that this theory basically is a misdirection away from the real target: the planners of this whole psy-op.
    Who are still, BTW, planning.
    It’s all just people’s “hysteria”!
    Here is C. J. Hopkins clarifying what should be obvious-:

    “Let me try to refresh your memory.

    In March and April of 2020, in the course of roughly five to six weeks, the majority of societies throughout the world were transformed into pathologized-totalitarian police states. A global “shock-and-awe” campaign was conducted. Constitutional rights were suspended. The masses were locked down inside their homes, where they were subjected to the most massive official propaganda blitzkrieg in human history. Goon squads roamed the streets of Europe, the USA, the UK, Canada, Australia, Asia, the Americas, and elsewhere [don’t forget poor little New Zealand with its WEF zealot PM Jacinda Ardern]]], beating and arresting people for being outdoors without permission and not wearing medical-looking masks. Corporate media around the world informed us that life as we knew it was over … a “new normal” was coming, and we needed to get used to it.

    “The entire official pandemic narrative was rolled out during those first few weeks. Everything. Masks. Mandatory “vaccines.” “Vaccination” passports. The segregation of “the Unvaccinated.” The censorship and demonization of dissent. Everything. The whole “New Normal” package. It was rolled out all at once, globally. . . .”

    According to folks like Alex Berenson, and Desmet, and now Malone, “ the events of the last three years [are] simply due to mass hysteria. . . . people just went kind of crazy, and overreacted, and “mistakes were made.””

    Are you effing kidding?
    Malone certainly appears to be positioning himself to helm this limited hangout and using Desmet to get things straight on the ground floor: Nothing to see here, and you all are just hysterical, suffering from mass formation psychosis.

    https://consentfactory.org/2023/01/11/the-mother-of-all-limited-hangouts/
    ++++++++++++

    The “reply” and “More” functions are working very patchily, at least for me.

    Most often I am finding that these do not work, and refreshing the page does not fix it.

  388. RobinG says:
    @michael888

    Data set: “most scientists I correspond with”

    LOL.

  389. RobinG says:
    @Ronnie Boy

    Ron Unz is a paranoid crank, a useful idiot on behalf of the deep state.

    Okaaay…. you believe “cov was a planned pandemic = plandemic…” planned by the Deep State that purposely killed people off world wide, etc., etc… and Ron’s the paranoid one? Riiight.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  390. Rurik says:
    @RobinG

    a pretext for hysteria and excuse for government extreme overreaction?

    No. (And there may be a term for this type of speculation, a kind of logical fallacy perhaps.)

    a ‘logical fallacy’?

    government using some event or happenstance to create hysteria for their own agenda?

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    what would you call Saddam’s WMD, or Gaddafi’s ‘Viagra-besotted rape armies’, if not trumped-up hysteria and an excuse for government overreaction?

    Just like ‘AIDs is going to kill you all! Unless you all make common cause to find a cure!

    And they didn’t need, (as you point out) to call it Covid, but could have called it anything, unless it was Covid.

    they could cite the specter of 1918

    exactly

    so I’m not sure I understand your point.

    Are you suggesting that the government’s (and media and CDC, et al), response to Covid was measured and thoughtful and put the interests of the American people, (in the case of the U.S.) first and foremost?

    But Norway did much better,..

    I guess that’s what your point is. (I hate to put words into people’s mouths)

    So, as to that, from my view, the government and media are never thoughtful and measured, and never have the well-being of the citizens of America at heart, ever.

    I’ve come to discover that because everything they do- from immigration to debt spending to wars and torture camps and the response to the ‘insurrection’, and NDAA and 100% slavish servility to Israel- are all very much *not* in the best interests of the American people, their lies 24/7 notwithstanding.

    It’s even become so prevalent, that you can set your watch by it.

    If the ZUS government is doing something, then it is prima facia bad for the American people.

    Perhaps one has to be careful with that, because what if, by accident, or say some dual agenda of theirs, they actually do something good for the American people, and it’s opposed by all, because, just like whatever comes out of a sewer, you don’t want to swim in, everybody kneejerk considers a potentially good thing, to be bad, because it’s from the ZUS government.

    OK, so I see the danger of a kneejerk, assumption that it’s all bad.

    OK, then we should look at the response to Covid in an objective, and clinical way? Yes?, and what- do you think the Trump and Biden’s administrations have handled Covid in the best and most thoughtful way they could?

    Do you consider the vaccines to be utterly and undeniably safe?

    There are way too many variables to make a cursory judgement.

    Well, I saw in Michigan, they told people they couldn’t use an aluminum boat to go fishing in the lake behind their house, even by themselves. It had to be a canoe or a kayak.

    It’s walleye fishing season, yet no motorboats are allowed on the water in Michigan, making the most recent revision of the stay-at-home order a difficult one for fishermen.

    https://www.13abc.com/content/news/Boating-banned-in--569596981.html

    You couldn’t take your jet-ski out on the lake behind your home, even if alone, and you were the only one on the lake, for fear of Covid – due to the iron-fisted edicts from on high. (even as the governor broke her own rules, and partied with wanton abandon).

    I saw them say the vaccine would stop the spread, I saw them tell people who had recovered from Covid, and therefor had the antibodies, that they needed the vaccine anyway.

    I saw so much hysteria and government overstep and outright petty tyrannies and tyrants run amok, that I really can’t understand how anyone could suggest that the response to Covid was anything other than draconian. And anathema to a free country and a free people.

    But they took it, and I was amazed, if not often amused, as I remember being almost the only one on the (usually busy) roads, and so I simply found and used the silver linings.

    I’m going to put most of this under a MORE tag, because I’m not sure it’s quite on topic.

  391. The virologists involved (likely responsible for 6 million or so Covid deaths) not surprisingly refuse to acknowledge the possibility that SARS-CoV2 came from a lab (the best evidence for a lab origin is the furin cleavage site, never observed in the SARS clade of beta-coronaviruses, which contains two HUMAN not CORONAVIRUS arginine codons).
    Somehow not discussed in detail in this obfuscating, cover-up article:
    https://theintercept.com/2023/01/19/covid-origin-nih-emails/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The%20Intercept%20Newsletter

  392. Wild Man says:
    @Skeptikal

    ““The entire official pandemic narrative was rolled out during those first few weeks. Everything. Masks. Mandatory “vaccines.” “Vaccination” passports. The segregation of “the Unvaccinated.” The censorship and demonization of dissent. Everything. The whole “New Normal” package. It was rolled out all at once, globally. . . .””

    Yes, ….. very important point, and though maybe I wouldn’t say it quite so strongly myself, … what I would say, is that by the end of April/20, there was already ample evidence that covid officialdom was not playing straight, … and you are right, ….. it was precisely those issues you mentioned, that were already part and parcel of the emerging gal-light-writ-large, …. all those elements were already simmering within mainstream discussions by the end of April/20, and then the glimmerings of those simmerings (which you could observe as you state, you are correct) coalesced straight towards the: – ‘its all about the up-coming vaxx, baby!’ grand implied covert narrative, which such strange signal soon became so unbearably strong it was impossible to miss.

    All those implying that was not a concerted campaign off deception (like their indeed was) are steering us wrong. I don’t actually think Malone is of that view though (even though he does buy the mass formation idea), but I’ll read your link and perhaps I’ll change my mind. I’m more thinking about Curtis Yarvin or even the eugyppius substack (but eugyppius otherwise, has done very very good work on the covid phenomenon). Frankly, I’m not even sure where Alex Berenson is on this issue, …. if he is implying there was no concerted campaign of deception, …. you know, … how would it be that people who have revealed some Deep State shenanigans think there is no orchestration to these shenanigans? That would be weird if true of Berenson. Also, there was that weird confrontation between Berenson and Malone of about a year ago know, over Berenson’s contention that Malone was all wet about efficacy of Ivermectin, and as such, given Malone’s apparently overstated credentials (according to Berenson, but I don’t really think it is at all true that Malone overstated his credentials), … these two issues together makes Malone an enemy of the vaxx skeptics, … poisoning-the-soup-wise. Except I believe Berenson was proved wrong on all 3 accounts (about Ivermectin, about Malone’s take on Ivermectin at that time, and about Malone’s credential-claims). But otherwise, yes it is very weird that Malone, of all people, would have subjected himself to the vaxx, at any time, even early on in the case of someone like him with his specific knowledge-base and credentials.

    I will read your link.

  393. @Rurik

    1. Good rant.

    2. …

    I’m going to put most of this under a MORE tag, because I’m not sure it’s quite on topic.

    Dude, trust me, everything you said is on-topic.

    Even the most basic interpretation of the article’s title “The Alt-Covid Community Begins Unraveling the Origins of Covid” would accept the possibility that the entire purpose of the fake Corona Chan “pandemic”, and therefore it’s ORIGINS, involved a genocidal pack of megalomaniac psycopaths with stooges entrenched in every government on Earth using their fake “pandemic” as a Trojan horse to force their DoD-sponsored fake “vaccine” bioweapon injection onto the planet’s population.

    If that possibility, however remote, isn’t conceded, then the article isn’t genuine.

    Because we now KNOW that the fake “vaccines” were in fact developed and paid for by the US DoD.

    And even our adorably eccentric uncle figure, Mr. Unz, has acknowledged in the parent article that the US DoD might have had some involvement in the supposed release of the alleged Corona Chan bug (or whatever accomplished the simultaneous outbreak of the alleged deadly “pandemic” at multiple widely disparate locations across the Earth).

    And we KNOW that most of this Corona Chan shit was already PATENTED years before the Event 201 rehearsal in October 2019, months before the actual “outbreak” in early 2020.

    So don’t stress, Dude – you’re so on-topic it hurts (and trust me – we know all about how much the fake Coroan Chan “pandemic” hurts down here in Australia).

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Rurik
  394. RobinG says:
    @Rurik

    You’re flying all over the place. My reply was to your response to this. That’s all.

    Suppose it wasn’t a unicorn called Covid, but just a very contagious strain of influenza. What difference would that make?

    No difference, you seem to agree. ((And they didn’t need, (as you point out) to call it Covid, but could have called it anything,)) And the fallacy isn’t in the [2nd] question itself, but in the fact that it doesn’t really address the question. When I get a chance, I’ll ask a friend who keeps track of proper jargon, lol.

    • Thanks: Rurik
  395. Wild Man says:
    @Skeptikal

    Further to my first response comment (#405), see this interesting substack article:

    [MORE]

    https://chrisbray.substack.com/p/play-long

    Seems Chris Bray is on to something here. Sam Harris is a good case study on this type of thing. Those controlling Sam Harris know he is a putz though (even if Sam Harris himself, possibly, might be too dumb to grok that he himself indeed is a putz, or that he himself, even, is controlled). This corporative-faux-west globalism running roughshod over all of us with these constant psyops, that could be featured as a constant elitist drive to ensure that the mimetic society we all find ourselves in, continues to feature homage-making to superstitious rituals as a measure of one’s elitist value.

    Look, …. among my more extended family, I have one cousin that is in the elitist camp, and has become really quite wealthy indeed, due to these international career activities. But the shocking thing, is that being my cousin, … I know how smart said individual is, …. and yet this smart individual, during a nice high-class restaurant dinner, this past summer (summer of 2022) did profess, upon my asking, that yes indeed, in their view, it was absolutely completely appropriate that I and my vaxx-hesitant brethren will so cavalierly discriminated against, and that the Canadian convoy phenomenon, was good cause for Trudeau’s draconian actions, and even though this international career was in high finance, my cousin seemed to be completely unaware that Trudeau did at one point, make moves to seize people’s assets based on their contribution to a completely legal convoy gofundme. This is a person that probably has been involved with the handling of ten of millions, if not hundreds of millions of dollars at a time, for rich investors.This cousin is also highly Roman Catholic religious. And this cousin, my own blood, will choose the so-called ‘rules-based-order’, which is fake, over me? I think it is all rather disgusting, but said cousin probably can’t even grok my level of disgust, and that is doubly disgusting. What happened to my smart cousin, along the way? Her constant Jacinda-Ardern-like-bubbly-I-love-the-matrix disposition is startling. And very femmy (the fems have the floor and they are basic superstition-loving idiots apparently, that squandered their intellectual gifts on femmy-good-feelz).

  396. Rurik says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Thanks UtB,

    it’s ORIGINS, involved a genocidal pack of megalomaniac psycopaths

    of course I can’t say with any certainty that the DoD synthesized the virus or the vaccine, (even if I’m sympathetic to those suggestions), but what I do feel I can say with some certainty, based on everything I’ve seen or read or figured out, lo these many decades, is that your description of the PTB as a ‘genocidal pack of megalomaniac psychopaths’, is spot on.

    [MORE]

    So, would they create such a virus and/or vaccine, for nefarious, genocidal reasons of their own? I consider a no-brainier. In fact, I suspect every bio-lab in the former Ukraine and all of the ones in Israel and all the rest, are all guided by the same myopic, monomaniacal obsession with genocide and dominance and power, even if some of the research is relegated to more obscure or even contradictory efforts, just in case there’s ever any inconvenient questions they’re forced to answer.

    But with our rulers and elites, its genocide, all day, every day. Either the Great Replacement, or more harsh methods like what going on in the Ukraine today, to liquidate the goyim, to make room for their own agenda(s). Even if the non-tribal members of the elites are just going along with the tribe, and have no ideological agreement other than their own wallets and perks.

    And now, since I have gotten off track, I’ll put this one under a MORE tag too.

    I appreciate Mr. Unz brave research and tenacity in attempting to discover the origins of the virus, and perhaps most important, publish it and give such discussions wings, so that we all aren’t reliant upon the same corrupt msm for our info.

    But even so, even if Mr. Unz heroically and near single-handedly drags out the truth, that Covid was designed as a weapon to use against China and Iran and others, with perhaps the ancillary benefit of destroying the people of the planet’s civil rights, and giving unprecedented powers to the regimes that farm them, I still don’t think it would even get one day’s, let alone one hour’s traction in the msm, and therefor would be dead on arrival, other than in hamlets in the cyber world like Mr. Unz own site.

    Most thoughtful people by now all know 9/11 was an inside job, but for all practical purposes, it doesn’t make any difference, since ‘The Narrative’ is controlled by the PTB.

    This is what they’d do as well, even if it became as abundantly as obvious as Building Seven imploding into its basement, that Covid was a bio-weapon attack waged by the ZUS DoD.

    The explosive news would be heralded with the thunderous sound of crickets chirping in a field in Nebraska.

    IMHO

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  397. @Rurik

    I have to agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments.

    BTW, IMO your use of the “More” tag is just a courtesy for browsing readers – I do the same when a comment gets a bit long (or have it done FOR me by the UR moderators in any case).

    Also BTW, you said –

    … of course I can’t say with any certainty that the DoD synthesized the virus or the vaccine…

    As it happens, there are now quite a few people who assert exactly that, complete with substantial evidence to support it…

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-01-16-dod-hhs-big-pharma-murder-covid-vaccines.html

    https://cairnsnews.org/2023/01/01/covid-us-dod-and-other-world-governments-bioterrorism-program-confirmed-by-twitterfiles-releases/



    Video Link

    I can’t resist the urge to pose the question for Mr. Unz – is he really really sure that the alleged Corona Chan virus is the actual problem?

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-01-19-bbc-buildings-plastered-photos-covid-vaccine-dead.html

    Of course, the question is rhetorical.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Deadbeat
  398. @Skeptikal

    You can have a ‘plandemic’ with a man-made chimeric viral bio-weapon, poisonous mRNA injections posing as vaccines and totalitarian suppression of early treatments and ALL scientific/medical debate, AND have a campaign of fearful mass hysteria induced by the powers that be and their MSM presstitute vermin. You can chew gum and fart at the same time.
    The psychic epidemic is the fear-induced hysteria that allowed the plandemic measures to be imposed on populations. All the measures you list, and their coming permanent entrenchment through the WHO, are only possible because of mass hysteria.

  399. @Sean

    The MOST likely explanation is a deliberate bio-warfare attack by US elements on China. All else is gibberish. Radio Free Asia and the Moonie Times are lying, Sinophobic, hard Right propaganda shit-holes. I would bet my life that biosecurity at the WIV is vastly better that in the VAST archipelago of US bio-warfare labs, at home and strewn across the world, in at least thirty or so countries.

  400. Rurik says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    … of course I can’t say with any certainty that the DoD synthesized the virus or the vaccine…

    As it happens, there are now quite a few people who assert exactly that,

    Mr. Unz – is he really really sure that the alleged Corona Chan virus is the actual problem?

    well, it seems to me Mr. Unz is convinced that the virus could have been created by the DoD, (if I’m not mistaken), then I’m not sure why the leap from the virus to the vaccine would be a bridge too far.

  401. @mkr

    Medication requirements. Right patient- the mRNA gene shots may be transmissable, through bodily fluids, breast milk, blood transfusion and who knows whatever other mechanisms. Right dose-the mRNA gene shots produce spike protein throughout the body, for at least a couple of months. At least. Right route-the gene shots enter the blood system, either directly through improper injection methods, or through cellular transportation mechanisms. Right time-24/7 for an indeterminate length of time. Etc-the rest escape my recollection. A right stuff-up, years in the planning.

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    , @Ultrafart the Brave
    , @mkr
  402. mkr says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    From a common sense point of view, I don’t see shedding spike proteins from a “vaccinated” person as being much more dangerous than the virus itself; both shedding spike proteins and the virus itself should not compel the body’s cells/organs to manufacturer spike proteins the way that mRNA instructions do; I don’t think the body is shedding mRNA instructions but rather only spike proteins, and even if it were shedding mRNA instructions I don’t believe that they would be able to enter the body the way that the “vaccine” does, therefore making shedding mRNA instructions ineffectual as a “gene therapy”, the mRNA instructions need a medium to enter the body, in this case it is purportedly the lipid nanoparticles and a needle that is injected into the muscle or as you have pointed out, into the bloodstream.

    Purportedly there is such a thing as shedding “vaccines” that transfer from human being to human being during human contact or being in close proximity to one another, but I haven’t read much about it.

    This business about the “vaccine” being injected into people’s bloodstreams by “accident” instead of into the muscle, is very interesting and there are videos/literature about it that you can find, such as videos showing the “vaccine” being really bad for direct blood contact; I haven’t studied this aspect of the “vaccine” very much.

  403. Jos says: • Website

    You might be interested in the video from John Mark Dougan about a biolab in Ukraine. You wil find out why the Pharmaceutical industry was so convinced their vaccines would work.

  404. foolmenot says:

    Connecting dots is not so difficult.

    Consider this: the USA was first to patent the method to create the virus.
    US 7220852 B1, granted 22 May 1977.

    Followed by the means to test and detect Covid.
    Application 62/240783 filed 13 October 2015. [4 years before the epidemic !]
    Granted patent US 2020/0279585 A1, upon 3 September 2020.

    At the Wuhan military games, many US soldiers arrived in very ill health, and were sent to the local hospital for life support, then flown to the US. At the games, the US teams lost every single match. Since when have you heard any US sportsman losing all matches? Against 3rd world opponents?

    Where did China first notice the outbreak? guess. At the hospital that received the US soldiers. The wet market story is bogus.

    And there is very much more to tell.

  405. @RobinG

    Okaaay…. you believe “cov was a planned pandemic = plandemic…” planned by the Deep State that purposely killed people off world wide, etc., etc… and Ron’s the paranoid one?

    Well obviously most sane people believe that, because the deluge of objective evidence is suggesting that.

    The same entity that is behind the Covid Psyop is behind the orchestration of :

    1. The Ukraine proxy war
    2. 9/11
    3. The Anthropogenic Global Warming hoax
    4. The Holohoax fable
    5. The Manned Moon Mission(s) hoax
    6. The murder of JFK, RFK, JFK Jr, MLK Jr, Senator Paul Wellstone and much more.

    Robin, how is it that you’re not aware of these things ? Have you been living under a rock ?

    As for Ron being paranoid … well, isn’t it obvious that he is ?

    He’s the one that was so sucked in by the obvious government/MSM propaganda exaggerating the harm of this Flu-By-Another-Name (which has meanwhile been proven to be akin to seasonal flu), that he went off with the lemmings and got vaxxed with the clot shots.

    Those of us who are pure-bloods were not frightened by it. We had the common sense to conduct a risk/benefit analysis and avoid taking an experimental gene ‘therapy’ that had not undergone long (or short) term Randomised Double-blind placebo controlled clinical trials.

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    , @mulga mumblebrain
  406. @mulga mumblebrain

    Good broad-stroke summary.

    In short – these fake “vaccine” bioweapons maim and kill people, and sterilise men and women and poison and kill infants, through a plurality of vectors.

    [MORE]

    I’ve read some guff that the US DoD has put specific effort into self-replicating “vaccines” (read – bioweapons) that have already been used successfully on certain animal species. The sophistication of these fake Corona Chan “vaccines” continues to astound researchers the deeper they investigate – so it’s probably wise to expect the worst until / unless proven otherwise.

    There’s some bright light here and there at the end of certain tunnels, however.

    Here’s a couple of useful tidbits recently revealed via Mike Adams and Dr. Bryan Ardis (amongst others)…

    1. Those white fibrin clot structures that seem to grow in injected peoples’ veins and arteries until it blocks blood flow and they drop dead – it’s not helped by conventional anti-clotting measures, because it’s not blood.

    Turns out Licorice Root has a chemical which helps the body to degrade and eliminate those white clot structures. So licorice tea, or licorice tincture, or just plain old traditional licorice candy, however one chooses to consume it, should provide some mitigation of the fatal fake “vaccine” clot risk, provide one takes it regularly.

    Some people can’t take Licorice in any form, because it can raise their blood pressure. Thankfully, there’s also ANOTHER chemical, called Suramin, which allegedly also helps the body eliminate that white shit, and Suramin is one of the chemicals found in Pine Needle Tea – something most people should be able to get hold of.

    2. As for the so-called “Spike Protein” (whatever the hell that is) according to the boffins on Natural News, a combination of Cysteine (an amino acid) and Bromelain ( the proteolytic enzyme found in Pineapples) supposedly KILLS the “Spike Protein” – that is, renders it unable to do whatever bad things it does.

    Cysteine is available from things like chicken, eggs, garlic and other foodstuffs (look it up) or can be delivered in abundance by supplementing with the readily available health supplement NAC (N-Acetyl Cysteine). Bromelain is in pineapples, and also available in capsules as a health supplement.

    3. Another one from Dr. Ardis (I think?) is Nicotene (available from cigarettes, and also from Nicotene Gum for those that prefer not to smoke – it DISPLACES the “Spike Protein” from attaching to cells in organs and especially in the BRAIN. Lots of people who supposedly had “Long Covid” (ie, the “Spike Protein” from the fake “vaccines” poisoned their brains) cured themselves by chewing Nicotene gum on a daily basis for a couple of weeks (and people who habitually smoke allegedly never got “Long Covid” in the first place).

    4. CHELATION – clearing the fake “vaccine” shit out of the body – Dr. Peter McCullough says that the enzyme Nattokinase from the Japanese fermented food Natto, will clean a lot of the fake “vaccine” poison (especially the “Spike Protein”, plus other toxins) out of the body. Nattokinase is also available in capsule form as a health supplement.

    A South African doctor (forget her name) also swears by Zeolite Clinoptilolite to chelate the fake “vaccine” shit out of people – she said that she’s had huge success treating people with Zeolite, which is cheap and readily available in South Africa, the US, New Zealand and Australia to name just a few countries. Zeolite Clinoptilolite is essentially benign, completely non-toxic and even tasteless – it’s normally consumed by mixing a spoonful into fruit juice and just drinking it. John Adams cautions against overdoing the Zeolite thing, because it can have some undesirable minerals in it – but if it’s a choice between some toxicity from an essentially non-toxic supplement, and dying from fake “vaccine” poisong – what are you going to do?

    SO there’s some good news already, and as time goes on more remedies / mitigations will likely be found. I believe some people are already figuring out ways to safely disable / zap / destroy the circuitry shit and MAC addresses that the fake “vaccines” seem to be assembling inside injected people. On the flip side, there’s also a great deal we have yet to learn about these fake “vaccine” bioweapons, so it’s an ogoing challenge.

    Also expect the “health authorities” to try to block information and block peoples’ access to medicines and supplements that might be able to help them. Just look at how they rubbished and banned Ivermectin, for example.

    It would be better for everyone if people would just stop lining up for their injections, or even better if all the arseholes pushing this genocidal shit were just dragged into the streets and hung from lamp posts. Whatever it takes.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  407. RobinG says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    If you and Ronnie Boy can’t afford dictionaries, you know that you can look up paranoid online…

  408. @Ron Unz

    “Based upon your description, its coverage was exactly what I thought it was, all those different Covid-related issues in which I’ve had very little interest”

    Right, because who would have any interest in such trifling matters as totalitarian lockdowns, vaccine and mask mandates, vaccine injuries, government/big pharma collusion, unprecedented censorship, and other trivialities. Much better to focus on digging up bias-confirming evidence for an inane theory about a “neocon attack on China and Iran.”

  409. @mike99588

    It was the French, world leaders in microbiology, that set up the lab and initially in charge of training. I’m not suggesting that there wasn’t a lack of compliance at some level. I know people who work(ed) in the Level 4 lab in Winnipeg, as well as many people in hospitals with Level 3 labs. There are, from time to time, minor non-compliance issues. As you are likely aware, that happens in every laboratory, to a greater or lesser extent. My issue is that in a medical setting, Level 2 is what a small hospital would use. While the Chinese may have a lower tolerance for safety, generally speaking, it is highly unlikely that something designated a Level 4 pathogen would be worked up, intentionally, in a Level 2 lab. The reverse, a pathogen sent to a higher level, is not uncommon, eg TB being moved from Level 3 to Level 4.
    As for productivity, in any organization, regardless of the industry, the larger the staff, the more politics/turf wars take place. The “inefficiency” is seldom in the bottom end of the hierarchy, which is bogged down by those seeking control. I have seen staff in the “larger” basically ignore what was directed to get things using “misunderstanding” as an excuse. Every now and then, they would go into what used to be called “malicious compliance” by following every policy and directive to the letter, causing havoc. Hey! I’m just following policy!

  410. mkr says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Just to be clear, in my other reply to this comment that you have made here, I am saying that “I believe”, and not that “I know”, for all I know the “vaccinated” are shedding mRNA instructions/”vaccination” to the unvaccinated and then the unvaccinated peoples bodies are being “vaccinated” and thus being compelled to manufacture the spike protein; I have no idea, although I don’t suspect it’s happening as the unvaccinated are not experiencing any of the higher Covid hospitalizations, ICU admissions, or deaths, nor are they experiencing the “side effects” such as blood clots, myocarditis, heart attacks, strokes, sudden death, etc.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  411. @mkr

    Yes, indeed. We ‘know’ nothing, even when we ‘know’ it all. What I do ‘know’, through some desultory reading of a few sources, quoting research that the powers that be seemingly wish to ignore or slander, is that the chimeric SARS CoV2 bio-weapon appears fiendishly ingenious in its ongoing harms, and the mRNA gene therapy injections are catastrophically destructive.
    By ‘know’ I mean ‘believe’ on the balance of probabilities as assessed by me. I’m no expert in anything but cynicism, but in the ‘Free World’ you can never be too cynical. My only remaining dilemma is whether to believe that the mRNA disaster is an hyperstrophe driven by insatiable greed, or the long-awaited ‘Great Culling’ of the ‘useless eaters’. I, more and more, tend to believe that the latter is more likely.

  412. @Ultrafart the Brave

    One cousin had a decent doctor who prescribed IVM for her, but then the pharmacists were ordered not to dispense it. Another cousin got the horse paste and administered it according to his body weight, and was OK. It is, of course, one of the safest medications known.
    I asked for fluvoxamine, but the local GPs refused, despite my directing them to various trial results. So I relied on nasal lavage, zinc, Vitamin D, being outside a lot, and had N-AC as a back-up, before it too was banned, temporarily.
    I’ve long known that the Western medical industrial complex was irredeemably corrupt, bent on profit, not human well-being, but they’ve really outdone themselves this time. Humanity has NO future (in any case) as long as the West dominates the planet. It’s as simple as that. The capitalists care only for loot, and hate other people.

  413. @Truth Vigilante

    Truth, don’t you EVER learn. The powers that be are behind the LACK of action regarding anthropogenic climate destabilisation. They are the ones who own the fossil fuel assets, valued in the tens of trillions, which is why emissions are still rising, COP Conferences are dominated by fossil fuel interests and the Right are still uniformly denialist, despite the overwhelming evidence from climate disasters and the last nine years being the nine warmest ever recorded, as per NASA/NOAA. Is it just an ego thing? I mean you are pretty clued up about many things, but here you are somewhat robopathic and obstinate, as if your self-image was at risk.

  414. RobinG says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Is T.V. an Aryan, maybe a Galician? Why the “Those of us who are pure-bloods…?”

  415. @mulga mumblebrain

    Is it just an ego thing?

    Yes it is, Mulga you silly billy.

    YOURS.

    But we still love you anyway.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  416. Wild Man says:
    @Wild Man

    Further to comment #394 , whereby I offered:

    [MORE]

    It seems that Steven Hsu might be one enamored with transhumanist technologies. This whole covid phenomenon, has shed some bad light on transhumanisn overall, … revealing that it is not nearly ready for prime time, yet practitioners seem to possess the pretension that it is. Is Unz’s vision clouded because he is hanging with the wrong people? Like I said, to me … that admission would be really quite stunning to me. Isn’t Unz, with his high-rank IQ, supposed to be a thought-leader?

    , … see this:

    https://sinclair.hms.harvard.edu/research

    Quoting from the article:

    “Our work has led us to the conclusion that the loss of epigenetic information is likely the root cause of aging. By analogy, if DNA is the digital information on a compact disc, then aging is due to scratches. We are searching for the polish. Our work has led us to identify reprogramming factors that we believe will enable us to reset a cell’s epigenetic status and reverse its age. We have developed human-compatible viral vectors to deliver the reprogramming genes to specific tissues or the entire body, thereby causing cells to act younger and wounds to heal faster. Our current focus is on nerve regeneration and the reversal of other symptoms of aging. We see treatments being possible for companion animals and humans to dramatically improve their health and lifespan.”

    The development of “human-compatible viral vectors to deliver the reprogramming genes to specific tissues or the entire body”, is an avenue worthy of exploration, around the growing contention that there is a transhumanist life-extension element to the Covid Officialdom long trail of obfuscation, misdirection and general deceit, all seemingly aimed at getting as many jabs into arms, as possible. Perhaps the covid phenomenon is mainly about humanity now being blindingly led into the midst of some sort of grand transhumanist experiment around working out some of the kinks in this emerging tech. Perhaps Unz is in on this precise potential psyops.

    • Agree: Mehen
    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
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  417. Wild Man says:
    @Wild Man

    Further to my speculation (as offered in comment #429) that:

    Perhaps the covid phenomenon is mainly about humanity now being blindingly led into the midst of some sort of grand transhumanist experiment around working out some of the kinks in this emerging tech. Perhaps Unz is in on this precise potential psyops.

    , …. see this:

    https://www.infowars.com/posts/dangerous-gain-of-function-research-continues-to-go-on-in-us-because-of-poor-oversight/

    Of course, the matrix of the nodes of Officialdom, ensures gof-research continues. Is that surprising? Not if what I am speculating upon, ends up being true (that there is a covert life-extension transhumanist agenda at play here). Let’s see how Unz responds to the more nuanced take on all the data about the source of the excess non-covid all-cause mortality, very recently offered (by myself and others) here:

    [MORE]

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/vaccine-smackdown-editor-ron-unz-vs-anti-vaxx-crackpot/#comment-5769524

    , … incorporating his contentions, whilst at the same time incorporating the other very worth contentions that Unz has consistently smeared. If he continues smearing ….. then its is pretty much conclusive that this website is part and parcel of the psyops being played upon the populace (in this case,a psyops for the more intelligent portion of the populace).

    It’s time for Unz to show his hand. He cannot refuse, if he doesn’t want to lose the bulk of the more intelligent here. In that eventuality, the bulk of the more intelligent here, will slowly come around, to commence attacking Unz by way of alternative platforms. Is he ready for that eventuality, if indeed he signed-up for being ‘smear-meister fro the more intelligent’?

    I don’t like liars. I don’t like them so much, ….. I WILL do something about this, if true. Let Unz prove he is not really a psyops-colluding-liar (so far, he has really only showed his hand as a small-fry liar, here and there, so we know he has the propensity towards cavalier lying, … we just don’t know how bad it is). It might be far worse than many suspect, here. If I happen to go on to do that, if it turns out such action is warranted, I will show that Unz is not really representative of the views of those he writes for (on pretty much any topic), ….. and such a potentially-needed psyops-take-down of the UR, in no way, should discount the good work put in here, by the most of the non-Unz authors, and the best of the commentariat (which is sometimes better than even the article’s author).

  418. Doryphore says:

    One objection to the intentional bioweapon release hypothesis was always “but why did they release such a low fatality virus instead of a more powerful one?”

    The answer is that the US was well aware of blowback. They do not want to cripple the US economy and society as a whole with blowback from a virus that kills large portion of their population. They want a weapon that harms the enemy far more. That’s the whole idea of warfare including biowarfare. So a low lethality virus with particular characteristics that is more specific to certain societies will more likely do far more damage to them than us (at least that was the initial reasoning).

    What might those characteristics be?

    Say a virus that has a hockeystick shaped mortality curve that harms the older far more than the younger generation would be perfect as a weapon to cause mass economic and social chaos in some East Asia societies that have an unusually high regard for their older generation.

    This virus kills off hundreds of thousands of old people in the States but leaves its younger more economically productive population intact. While in China it causes near mass hysteria and massive economic lockdowns. That was the plan. What the IC did not foresee was the economic lockdowns and other policies that were also implemented causing havoc here as well. The IC ran simulations months before the release of their virus and they seemed confident the healthcare capacities of the US and public reaction would be able to handle the blowback without crippling society. But they were wrong.

    As a side note, there is a video of Dr. Baric (one of if not main designers of Sars-CoV-2) in 2018 (available on YouTube) saying that some respiratory viruses including coronaviruses function effectively as a kind of population control to weed out older people.

  419. Skeptikal says:

    Wild Man, # 408:

    Once again I cannot open the “more” function so cannot read what you wrote at #405 or #408.

    It seems kind of weird.

    I mean, arbitrary.
    It feelsl like some commenters are consigned to “more” after a couple of sentences, whereas others’ long comments are allowed to appear in toto. ???

    In any event, the much-vaunted comment-link system at this blog is working only very intermittently for me—kind of like wind power . . .

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  420. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    If you don’t like the alt-Covid term I just invented, what would you call them?

    ‘Smart’, that’s what you can call them.

    On the other hand, we need coin a succinct moniker for the millions of ‘High IQ’ retards that bought into this shit.

    Speaking of which, aren’t you about 4 boosters behind the rest of your team?

    You might want to get on that, otherwise you’re in danger of being called ‘smart’ yourself.

    • Replies: @mkr
  421. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:

    Scott Adams’ latest on why the best & brightest took the vaccine by accident, and why the dummies didn’t take it by mistake – the meat begins at ~30 minutes:

    • Replies: @Mehen
    , @Wizard of Oz
  422. Mehen says:
    @Anon

    Thanks for that video.

    It would seem Mr. Scott Adams demonstrates a greater degree of self-awareness, humility, and intellectual integrity than our estimable host Ron Unz. On this topic, at least.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Wild Man
  423. @Skeptikal

    It feels like some commenters are consigned to “more” after a couple of sentences, whereas others’ long comments are allowed to appear in toto.

    FWIW, this seems to be symptomatic of Mr. Unz’ articles much more so than other authors.

    Or, sometines, comments filtered out entirely and simply not posted at all.

    Mind you, it IS Mr. Unz’ sand-box, he developed it and paid for it and made it freely available to rabble like us (who Klaus Schwab refers to as “let us say, other creatures”), so we don’t really have any legitimate grounds for complaint.

    Whatever ulterior motives might be at play are entirely open to conjecture – but no-one is being compelled to participate, and the price is right, so “buyer beware”.

  424. @Anon

    You have time in your life to watch that video long enough to discover that he says something interesting [in your opinion] after 30 minutes!?

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  425. Seems a whole bunch of UK doctors implicitly disagree with Mr. Unz’ recalcitrant yet strangely “disinterested” position on those “safe & effective” fake “vaccines”…

    https://doctorsforpatientsuk.com/press-release/

    [MORE]

    … and here it is on Rumble, just for good measure…

    https://rumble.com/v26k158--uk-doctors-are-speaking-out-and-saying-no-more-mrna-shots-the-pharma.html

    What sayeth Mr. Unz?

  426. RobinG says:
    @Mehen

    At least he says (and repeats) “at the moment” but while he may show self-awareness, he displays limited Covid awareness. There’s currently much uncertainty and debate about ‘long Covid’ and it will be a long time before that’s even possible to evaluate meaningfully.

    And don’t imagine that myocarditis is a slam dunk. There’s an argument about whether there’s more of that caused by Covid or by the vax.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  427. Mehen says:

    Has it ever been determined if commenter “Wizard of Oz” is male or female?

    It’s really hard to tell, and that bothers me.

    • Replies: @Anon
  428. @Wizard of Oz

    You have time in your life to watch that video long enough to discover that he says something interesting [in your opinion] after 30 minutes!?

    Obviously, some people have time to do other things besides scratching their balls all day like you (albeit with a magnifying glass) and perving on kindergarten photos from back in your school-teacher-come-kiddie-grooming days.

    Let’s be honest, here, Wiz – that’s why you think killing newborn babies for cash is SUCH FUN!

    Creepy Bill and Klaus would be so PLEASED with you.

  429. @Ultrafart the Brave

    No, silly. With me it’s ‘Monsters from the Id’.

  430. mkr says:
    @Anon

    I like that, the smart people, or, since the truth is above all lies, truth covid is fine with me also, alt-covid is what regime/cabal covid has been pushing the whold time, the alt signifying alternative “truth” which is of course all lies, essentially a cult.

  431. Wild Man says:
    @RobinG

    “And don’t imagine that myocarditis is a slam dunk. There’s an argument about whether there’s more of that caused by Covid or by the vax.”

    Another twist on this, is that it is very likely that the theory that ‘vaxx potentiates covid’, is correct. As such, a feedback circularity that is confusing people looking at the data.

  432. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mehen

    Has it ever been determined if commenter “Wizard of Oz” is male or female?

    From perusing the comment history, Wiz is either a bitchy gamma male or an angry masculinized female – so six of one, half-dozen of the other.

    Whatever it is, it appears to live here.

    • Agree: Mehen
  433. Wild Man says:
    @Mehen

    [This is NOT a vaxxing thread and such comments will be trashed. Keep up your bad behavior and all your comments everywhere will be trashed. Take your views to the vaxxing threads.]

    [MORE]

    Ont thing the bother me a little bit about the Scott Adams thing, is that at around 32:00 he is claiming that those that have achieved natural immunity without the vaxx, are better off. But that is precisely what I have argued here, (May – July/21) since really weighing in on this whole covid phenomenon, …. that the proper way to measure that vaxx efficacy, is to compare what the other option available would probably be vs. vaxx, and the only other option available at that time, was to try to achieve herd immunity by way of infection-recovery of the population. I did the calcs, comparing those two scenarios, based on the data coming in at the time (May – July/21), and shared them here (and those findings showed much cause for worry). The covid authorities (including those in the Trump admin, … and to my mind, if I were Trump under those conditions, I would have had conniption-fits galore, going full-f0rce verbally ballistic upon the enemies within my own admin, …. until I got my way, ….. taking this to the people, if necessary, to get my way) didn’t want that, though. There would be no way in the world, as Trump, I would have signed-off on Project Warp-speed, without a backdoor to get me out of that potential mess, if needed, ….. by way of absolutely insisting this simple clinical trials condition, be put in place, or there would be civil war, …. that I would use their officialdom-contra-insistence (if it even got to that point, highly doubtful) to start a war against Deep State. It it is absolutely crazy this was not insisted upon all-round, but especially by Trump (because of course, he knew there was massive Deep-State-type collusion against him, on every front). As Trump, here precisely, is what I would have absolutely insisted upon:

    I would have insisted that the clinical trial design incorporated two control groups – both the unvaxxed-infection-niave, as well as the unvaxxed-but-prior-infected. But the clinical trials were designed to measure by way of only the first mentioned control group – the ‘unvaxxed-infection-niave’. How is it the the clinical trial was designed in a way that ignores comparing the upcoming vaxx program, to the only other option available at that time, for achieving herd immunity? Look ….. Trump came from a real estate business background (same as me, but all I was is some sort of very-well-respected management lieutenant without much personal money of my own). In the business world, there are ulterior agendas galore, always at play (they advertise these management jobs as ‘working in a fast-paced business environment’, and you know, during real estate asset acquisitions or asset sales, …. that quip is an understatement ….. 80 hour weeks are in the cards during those times). In business, you have to keep your head up with eyes on all the elements of the game, or people will take advantage of you, and whatever power you possess. I find it strange that Trump’s entire admin missed this set-up for Deep State ulterior agenda, …. but especially Trump himself. To me, this miss (coming from a business perspective) was mickey-mouse-type incompetence.Was Trump only good on real estate because he had loyal lieutenants that are not dumb?

    Where I worked, this level of management incompetence would not have been tolerated. Money is like that. It keeps things real.

  434. QCIC says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    M&M,

    What do you consider the single most important piece of evidence supporting the AGW theory?

    Thx.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  435. Brewer says:

    Dr Jordan B Peterson and Matt Ridley go in depth to explore the Covid 19 outbreak, scrutinizing the lack of criticism, the inherent red flags widely accepted as benign, the possible motive for a multi-government cover up, and ultimately the demise of the scientific enlightenment as it bends to a more fearsome pandemic: totalitarianism.

    Matt Ridley is a British writer, journalist, and public speaker. His books collectively have sold over a million copies, and have been translated into 31 languages. His books include The Red Queen, The Origins of Virtue, Genome, Nature via Nurture, Francis Crick, The Rational Optimist, The Evolution of Everything, and How Innovation Works. He is also frequently published in the Wall Street Journal, and in the Times (London), as a columnist. As a speaker, Ridley has seen over two million views for his TED talk, “When Ideas Have Sex.” Ridley focuses on the area of science for his writings, and held the role of science editor at the Economist for nine years.

  436. folkvangr says:

    Good news! At least 10-15% of the world population still have brains AND know how to use them!

    This is one of those videos that age well and are still worth watching



    Video Link

    “If we lose, that’ll be the end of Huanity” says Dr. Reiner Fuelmich.

  437. @QCIC

    The Laws of Physics which describe how CO2 and other greenhouse gases trap re-radiated heat in the atmosphere. Pretty basic. After that there are mountains of theoretical evidence, peer reviewed over and over again, backed by experimentation and observation, that have been accumulated since about 1840.
    The rapid heating of the planet since the Industrial Revolution, now approaching 1.5 degrees Celsius, plus the IMMENSE amount of heat sequestered in the oceans totalling, since 1990 alone, to 0.5 to 1 watt of energy per square metre, amounting to 2 x 10 to the 23rd power joules, ie five Hiroshima bombs every SECOND, and the increasing number and degree of weather and climate disasters, are irrefutable. Against that denialism has fossil fuel cash, psychopathy, a hatred of Life on Earth and general ‘human’ villainy.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @QCIC
  438. Skeptikal says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    [I’m going to have to really crack down on completely off-topic comments on this thread.]

    “The Laws of Physics which describe how CO2 and other greenhouse gases trap re-radiated heat in the atmosphere. Pretty basic.”

    [MORE]

    Well, quite a few highly qualified physicists—such as William Happer, an astrophyisicist who is dean of the faculty and Princeton, and Wallace Manheimer, a nuclear physicist of MIT (now retired, I believe)—assert that the formulae are misunderstood by the alarmists/believers. There are man;y ;more than just these two. In fact, thousands of scientists in various fields that are part of “climate science” outright blast the AGW believers/alarmists and their sloppy math.

    Happer might have been the one who actually developed the mathematical formula for calculating the effect of CO2 on radiation.

    It is a bad idea to cite “laws of physics” when you—not a physicist, I assume—don’t understand the formulae and math in question. But a lot of actual physicists also are messing up with their calculations and models.

    For more information on leading physicists and others who debunk and disprove the AGW argument and hysteria—-except that it is now so dangerous to humankind—see Manheimer, https://ccsenet.org/journal/index.php/jsd/article/view/0/47745

  439. QCIC says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    I foolishly took the bait in an earlier comment and did not intend to hijack the thread.

    It was a serious question and this is a weak answer.

    I wrote: “What do you consider the single most important piece of evidence supporting the AGW theory?”

    The points you mention turn out to be subtle and not settled. The “Hiroshima” fear porn is par for the course.

    I agree there are unpleasant human traits which come to the fore in many situations discussed here on Unz.

    No need to respond, we can chew on this next time there is a climate article.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  440. Tony Hall says:
    @Ron Unz

    I’d call the “alt-covid” term a phrase cooked up by Ron Unz to try to mitigate what a fool he made of himself by sticking to his “antivaxx crackpottery” approach” far too long given the magnitude of the orgy of murder and mayhem he ignored. Ron’s approach runs along the same lines as those of Justin Trudeau.

  441. @QCIC

    The Hiroshima facts are simply an expression of just how much heat energy is being trapped in the Earth system by greenhouse gases-that measurement IS settled. If you are too stupid to understand the science that’s your problem, but to call such a FACT, that puts dread into the mind of every sane and decent person, ‘fear porn’, is despicable imbecility.

    • LOL: QCIC
  442. @Brewer

    Ridley is a fanatic hard Right Sinophobe. He is a vulgar anthropogenic climate destabilisation denialist, unsurprising as his family wealth is based in part on fossil fuels. He led the Northern Rock ‘Bank’, once a building society but privatised in the Thatcher looting, to insolvency and the first bank run in the UK for one hundred and fifty years after reckless borrowing on the money markets. A fit interlocutor for the imbecile fraud, Peterson. Morons squared.

  443. @Ed Kendrick

    Ahhh-so the Amish are behind it. I suspected as much. The meek will inherit the Earth after all.

  444. @Brewer

    Peterson is deliberately misrepresented as a ‘dangerous truth teller’ to pull conservatives and dissidents in only to then serve as a deradicalizing influence whilst dishing up Jewish propaganda.

    This video, and how heavily it’s automatically promoted by youtube (BUT MUH COVID IS DANGEROUS TOPIC SUPPRESSED :DDD) made me somewhat suspicious when I first noticed it. I flicked through it, but there were no new major revelations in it particularly I gleaned.

    It certainly doesn’t mean therefore Unz’s biowar theory is true, but it does mean someone wishes to instill or reinforce the idea of the lab leak in the public using Peterson as a reliable channel. If one is going down the conspiracy route – as Peterson’s handler’s are Jews (and some people claim ties between The Daily Wire and Israeli intelligence)- you can draw your own conclusion.

    I see another commenter has some info on this bald guest which I wasn’t aware of.

  445. @theMann

    Animal husbandry exists in an appalling state of filth and mistreatment in any number of the countries, including the USA.

    Well said – although the word “husbandry” might better be reserved for more civilised behaviour. Factory farming and mass slaughter of sentient animals is abusive behaviour on a truly horrific scale – only possible in a society that’s become desensitised towards and cynical about the suffering of others.

  446. Ron Unz says:

    Another excellent article by the editor of the Daily Sceptic, sharply crititiquing the Wuhan lab-leak theory, very widely promoted in alt-media circles for the last three years:

    https://dailysceptic.org/2023/01/25/why-the-lab-leak-theory-is-almost-certainly-false/

    • Replies: @RobinG
  447. Anon[249] • Disclaimer says:

    Covid hoax was a giant scam by governments and the pharmacuetical industry. Governments did it to see how far they could go in harassing the population and establishing despotical controls Pharmacy companies did it for money money money.

  448. RobinG says:
    @Ron Unz

    First, let me say I’m very sympathetic to your biowarfare hypothesis. But then, I wonder what is sharp or special about Will Jones or this piece of his, and why you want to use him as a reference. It seems just a summary of known work, with links.

    Here’s a critique in The Skeptic (is that former branding of The Daily Skeptic, or something else?) of Jones’ earlier work. Not too flattering.
    https://www.skeptic.org.uk/2021/06/how-the-lockdown-sceptics-misquote-research-in-their-quest-to-appear-scientific/

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  449. folkvangr says:



    Video Link
    At 28:29:
    A doctor says that in Amish and the Ashkenazi Jews the up regulation of the spike protein is close to %. Does that mean that the “vaccine” has a strong racial compenent in it?

  450. Ron Unz says:
    @RobinG

    First, let me say I’m very sympathetic to your biowarfare hypothesis. But then, I wonder what is sharp or special about Will Jones or this piece of his, and why you want to use him as a reference. It seems just a summary of known work, with links.

    Well, for almost three years nearly all the articles in the alt-media have been promoting the ridiculous Wuhan lab-leak theory, despite the near-total lack of any evidence in favor and quite a bit against. Meanwhile, the MSM articles have sometimes ignored the issue, sometimes endorsed a lab-leak, and sometime merely denounced the lab-leak as “a conspiracy theory.”

    Given that situation, I found it incredibly refreshing to read a solid, sensible analysis of the hypothesis and why it didn’t make much sense. Moreover, Toby Young Tweeted it out to his 250,000 followers, so it should get some reasonable visibility:

    It also got republished by the Brownstone Institute, one of America’s leading alt-Covid publications:

    https://brownstone.org/articles/engineered-but-in-wuhan-lab/

  451. @Ron Unz

    The article is good.

    It puts a lot of weight on Chinese sources.

    Some of the comments on the article are excellent.

    The best data is classified. Informing the public ain’t gonna happen unless CNN, Fox, MSNBC, New York Times, Wall Street Journal are taken down or get a regime change.

  452. Vick says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Please check recent substack by Brian Mowrey.

    https://unglossed.substack.com/p/lab-leak-op-confirmed

    “Under my paradigm, Wuhan was a stage designed and choreographed for years in advance to foster a great, big distracting “controversy” between a WIV and Huanan origin. Thus, the only reason to release the virus in Wuhan in the first place was to seed this controversy; in other words, Wuhan’s location in China was secondary to the broader aims.

    Jones has assembled a compelling overview of Unz’s case that China was the target, not merely a vector for global release, and that Kadlec et al.’s pandemic countermeasures were meant to effect containment, rather than being an end in of themselves. In other words, the orchestrators of this scheme were literal, raging idiots.

    They thought containment would work, despite the US not being an island. Why?
    They thought the virus wouldn’t spread well, despite this being unknowable in advance. Why?
    They thought anyone would listen to them in November, facilitating containment. Why?
    They didn’t feel it necessary to make the link between Wuhan Institute of Virology and SARS-CoV-2 air-tight, despite having set up the frame in advance. Why?
    They thought no one else in academia and government would care that the links between Wuhan Institute of Virology and Ecohealth, carefully planted in advance, would be potentially career-ending. Why?
    To rephrase 3 and 4, what the Unz-Jones case proposes is that the orchestrators of the virus’s release planned to frame elements of the Public Health Apparatus for SARS-CoV-2, but rather than enticement to commit an actual crime (get WIV to create SARS-CoV-2), left partial exoneration on the table (there is no indication WIV was working on a precursor to SARS-CoV-2). It just simply didn’t occur to this arm of the intelligence community to expect resistance from the other actors in government they were trying to implicate!

    On the other hand, perhaps the problem with my theory — that the WIV origin was always meant to be unprovable and therefore suppressible, leading to the construction of a false dichotomy between two fatally flawed theories — is the opposite: It implies that the perpetrators weren’t raging idiots.”

  453. RobinG says:
    @Ron Unz

    Well, now comes Project Veritas to bolster the lab leak theory. (Should we ask if P.V. works for the MIC to bury thoughts of intentional release?)

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  454. Ron Unz says:
    @RobinG

    Well, now comes Project Veritas to bolster the lab leak theory. (Should we ask if P.V. works for the MIC to bury thoughts of intentional release?)

    Ha, ha…you might be right.

    The guy just seems like some random idiot spouting off after a couple of drinks. Apparently, he does have a medical degree, but his recent role has mostly been as a marketing consultant so it’s not clear that he really knows anything. Frankly, I’d be very curious to see his SAT scores.

    This sort of nonsense gets lots of Retweets but is pretty worthless as evidence.

  455. Deadbeat says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Seeing Maria Zeee & Sasha Latypova (Mother of Soph) accusing the DoD make me really suspect that the DoD was behind it and that their plan was to “exterminate the population”. This looks like a deflection. The person who spilled the beans was Victoria Nuland meaning that the real perpetrators was the State Dept and the CIA which means (((Mossad))) and the (((Chosen Ones))).

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