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In the Anglosphere’s increasingly globalized media landscape different publications naturally seek out their own specific market-niches.

The New York Times promotes the official narrative of the establishmentarian mainstream, though larded these days with an increasingly irritating dollop of “wokeness.” The Financial Times and the Wall Street Journal provide the most authoritative daily business reporting, as well as news coverage that is generally more sober and less skewed than that of the Times. And London’s Daily Mail has doubled-down upon its tabloid roots to attract enormous worldwide traffic by covering stories too “hot” for its more staid rivals, or presenting these same events in a much more populist and candid fashion, rather than sanding off the rough edges.

The Mail‘s journalistic strategy has been extremely successful, and an outlet once obscure to everyone outside the British Isles has been transformed into a global media powerhouse, attracting more than twice the traffic of the Washington Post and five times that of the Wall Street Journal, with its total readership sometimes approaching that of the Gray Lady itself.

A perfect example of the Mail‘s boldness came a couple of weeks ago when it was the first and only Western media outlet to cover the remarkable public statements of Prof. Jeffrey Sachs of Columbia University, a very high-ranking academic who had served as chair of the Lancet’s Covid commission.

In May, he had co-authored an academic paper in the prestigious PNAS journal declaring that the Covid virus had clearly been produced in a lab, and calling for an independent investigation into its possible American origins. A few weeks later, he spoke even more plainly at a think-tank conference in Spain, and at the beginning of July a short clip of those remarks went super-viral on Twitter, attracting more than 11,000 Retweets and a million views:

These public revelations by an establishment insider of such high standing surely deserved worldwide banner-headlines, but instead they were totally ignored almost everywhere in the mainstream media. However, the Mail broke this embargo of silence and its story quickly attracted a couple of thousand shares and over 1,800 comments:

Back in February, the publication had also run an article presenting new scientific evidence that a crucial component of the Covid virus came from a sequence previously developed and patented years earlier by Moderna, a leading American biotech company. Although there was no evidence that Moderna itself had any direct connection with Covid, these explosive facts seemed to establish that the virus was indeed artificial and also suggested its American roots, so that story was shared some 36,000 times on social media:

 

The Mail has built its success by its adhering to a policy of getting there “firstest with the mostest,” focusing on the big stories ignored by the rest of the media and breaking them before any competitor. But late last week, the same Mail journalist published a long article on the origins of Covid that seemed to completely violate that rule:

According to the article’s subtitle, “Two explosive new studies seem to tip scale back in favour of natural spillover despite lab leak concerns.” The academic papers described had demonstrated that the entire pattern of early Covid infections seemed to radiate out of the vicinity of the Huanan wet market and had no geographical connection with the Wuhan lab, which was located eight miles away. Such findings severely undercut the Lab-Leak Hypothesis, widely regarded as the primary alternative to the natural virus theory.

These studies were by top researchers and based upon my reading, they seemed quite solid, with important scientific conclusions. But they were released as preprints five months ago, and had already been featured in February on the front-page of the New York Times, whose article had a similar title and parallel conclusions to those of the Mail.

I very much doubt that Mail built its global readership by merely following in the wake of the Times, let alone doing so with a five month time-lag.

Instead, I suspect that the Jeffrey Sachs story they had run a few weeks ago was just a little too “hot.” Suggesting American origins for the virus that has devastated the world and killed more than fifteen million people probably brought enormous pressure down on the Mail and its writers, so publishing this clone of a February Times article may have been offered up as compensatory damage control.

Yet oddly enough, if the Mail had merely added a couple of extra paragraphs, the result would have been a hyper-explosive new story fully worthy of its best muckraking traditions. One of the earliest sentences of the article reads:

A second study claims to have pinpointed the exact date the first animal-to-human infection occurred — November 18, 2019 — after carrying out genetic analysis on hundreds of samples from the first human carriers.

However, as I’ve repeatedly emphasized in my own writings, we also know when America’s Defense Intelligence Agency first reported the Wuhan outbreak:

But with the horrific consequences of our own later governmental inaction being obvious, elements within our intelligence agencies have sought to demonstrate that they were not the ones asleep at the switch. Earlier this month, an ABC News story cited four separate government sources to reveal that as far back as late November, a special medical intelligence unit within our Defense Intelligence Agency had produced a report warning that an out-of-control disease epidemic was occurring in the Wuhan area of China, and widely distributed that document throughout the top ranks of our government, warning that steps should be taken to protect US forces based in Asia. After the story aired, a Pentagon spokesman officially denied the existence of that November report, while various other top level government and intelligence officials refused to comment. But a few days later, Israeli television mentioned that in November American intelligence had indeed shared such a report on the Wuhan disease outbreak with its NATO and Israeli allies, thus seeming to independently confirm the complete accuracy of the original ABC News story and its several government sources.

According to these multiply-sourced mainstream media accounts, by “the second week of November” our Defense Intelligence Agency was already preparing a secret report warning of a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak taking place in Wuhan.

So it therefore appears that America’s secret DIA report warning of a potentially “cataclysmic” disease outbreak in Wuhan was written before the first person had even been infected in that city, and several weeks before any symptoms would have appeared.

The implications of this massive discrepancy in timing are rather obvious, yet have been totally ignored by the Mail, the Times, CNN, and every other Western media outlet that has now reported on these important new scientific studies.

 

Fortunately, although the West dominates the global media, such dominance is not absolute. The bitter Ukraine proxy war between Russia and NATO has opened a few doors to other media opportunities, and due to some fortuitous timing, I was just interviewed by Russia’s Sputnik News, a major publication that draws 20 million website visits per month.

This provided me the first opportunity to present my Covid theories in a mainstream media outlet, and I naturally included mention of the striking Wuhan timing anomalies revealed by those new scientific studies. So feisty Sputnik has now scooped the suddenly faint-hearted Daily Mail on a matter of potentially world-historic importance:

The Russian government has publicly claimed that it seized evidence in Ukraine proving that the Pentagon was funding local biolabs developing biological weapons for use against Russia. As Glenn Greenwald and Tucker Carlson have emphasized, the admissions made by Victoria Nuland in sworn Senate testimony seem to support those allegations.

If the American government were so totally reckless as to be preparing biowarfare attacks against a country whose enormous nuclear arsenal could quickly incinerate the bulk of our population, it is easy to imagine that some officials would also have considered much smaller-scale attacks against other international adversaries, attacks that would have had the advantage of maintaining plausible deniability.

For more than two years, I have been publishing a series of articles arguing that there is very strong evidence that the global Covid outbreak was the result of an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran) by rogue elements of our own national security establishment.

If this reconstruction is correct, then more than a million Americans have now recently died due to the reckless and illegal actions of their own government, an event of monumental historic importance. The incident would rank as America’s own Chernobyl disaster, but a thousand times greater in global magnitude, perhaps having similar political consequences for the survival of our own American regime.

Quite a large number of highly-regarded figures in mainstream American policy and journalistic circles are certainly aware of my hypothesis, and many of them privately regard my analysis as reasonably plausible. However, not a single one of these individuals has dared to publicly discuss it, with the topic remaining totally excluded from virtually all of the alternative media let alone its mainstream counterpart.

Indeed, I have been reliably informed that a prominent national journalist wanted to obtain a copy of my recently published Covid book but was too fearful of buying it on Amazon, or even merely reading the individual articles on my website.

Fortunately, my trilogy of Covid biowarfare video interviews from earlier this year are easily available on Rumble and these can be freely shared on social media. They provide nearly four hours of discussion on the topic, and have attracted very strong viewership, accumulating well over 800,000 total views, including more than 300,000 views during July. So perhaps this Sputnik interview will merely become the first of many.

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  1. Biff says:

    I admire the perseverance of getting this saga to the forefront of human consciousness; and repetition is the ‘gain of function’.

    Keep up the good fight. :^)

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  2. Charles says:

    I know (for fear of their livelihoods) that Ron cannot name the people in the MSM and perhaps gov’t agencies with whom he has personal and friendly contact, but it sure would be interesting to know who those rational people are. I am already familiar with the irrational ones.

  3. Curle says:

    I haven’t read the Daily Mail for some time but when I did I enjoyed their coverage of things like the Lotto Lout, inner city drunkenness, ASBOs (anti-social behavior orders) and various off limits practices such as providing pictures of black perpetrators, Arab terrorists and they gave heavy coverage to the systemic rape of white girls by ‘Asian’ men (intended to cover folks Americans wouldn’t think of as Asian. When Gordon Brown insulted an older white woman they gave it huge coverage. They also regularly told readers the value of homes owned by politicians, celebrities and journalists especially when any of the former were talking down to common people.

  4. All damage control aside, America’s track record in its methods of killing innocents – including the deliberate infection of its own citizens and those of Guatemala with syphilis, should provide enough nails on the coffin on the origins of Covid-19. The missing link may be that of a potential Jewish connection. The early emergence of the disease in Iran should lead to that link.

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
    , @annamaria
  5. Thank you for your efforts pushing for this hypothesis Mr Unz. I also think that Covid is a US bioweapon that ran out of control.

    However, I dont see any possibilities for the US military/shadow government to admit this crime. Perhaps in 100 years someone will dig into into this and publicly confirm the bioweapon origin of Covid. But, who knows, by then this will be considered yet another little peccadillo of the rather hyperactive US elite of the 2000’s.

  6. From an Amazon review of a book about Sachs:

    Sachs is a controversial a character; his own book makes that clear. There are only two types of people in the world, according to “The End of Povery”: smart, noble people who agree with and unquestioningly offer their enthusiastic support to Jeffrey Sachs, and ignorant, unprofessional, and painfully misguided buffoons who do not. One of the main themes in “The Idealist” is that Sachs simply does not tolerate dissent, no matter how honestly and innocently voiced. “In effect,” Munk writes, Sachs demands that you “trust him, to accept without question his approach to ending poverty, to participate in a kind of collective magical thinking.” Any criticism or questioning of his vision or approach is reliably met with “…his usual impatience and blind faith,” often ending in cruelly directed scorn and humiliating name-calling, Or, as Munk describes it in one of her rare charitable moments toward the subject of her book: “It’s never easy to disagree with Jeffrey Sachs.”

    Given that Sachs is a known Vulture Capitalist with an old PhD in Economics, I suppose I’d value his thoughts about Covid in about the same way as I would those of Trump or Biden.

    Not a one of them know any more about the disease than for gossip they encounter within their respective circles.

  7. Another worthy contribution from our favorite author and endearingly eccentric uncle.

    Here’s a quote from the article that is unambiguously and emphatically 100% correct…

    If this reconstruction is correct, then more than a million Americans have now recently died due to the reckless and illegal actions of their own government, an event of monumental historic importance.

    … which makes previous efforts like Pearl Harbour or 9/11 pale into insignificance (although much worse is yet to come).

    Here’s another quote that is also inarguably (and perhaps prophetically) accurate, with a qualified caveat or two…

    The incident would rank as America’s own Chernobyl disaster, but a thousand times greater in global magnitude, perhaps having similar political consequences for the survival of our own American regime.

    The first caveat that I would add is that Chernobyl was (officially, at least, and also plausibly) unintentional. Those aware of the Globalists’ influence consider the entire Corona Chan “pandemic” as thoroughly intentional, being planned for at least several decades in advance, complete with all relevant patents, enabling legislation and treaties, massive ongoing illicit government funding of bioweapon development and “gain of function” viral research, and volumes of incriminating video evidence.

    Moreover, notwithstanding the apparent release of some sort of targeted pathologic agent simultaneously in several locations around the planet, a major part of the fake “pandemic” exercise seems to have been catalysing global acceptance of eugenic bioweapon injections marketed as “vaccines”. Again, all the unheeded warning signs and clues are embedded in the historic records. We are now seeing the consequences of that effort in the huge spike in all-cause mortality across Western nations since the fake “vaccines” were injected en masse (eg, +22% in Australia, +44% in the USA).

    BTW, it’s interesting that the alleged “deadly Monkeypox” outbreaks have occurred ONLY in nations subject to the fake Pfizer “vaccines”. Creepy Bill did say on camera that “the next one would… get their attention!” (while exchanging cheeky grins with Melinda). Is the “deadly Monkeypox” the “next one”, or is something much worse still coming down the pipes?

    Kudos to Mr. Unz for his persistence in keeping the Corona Chan origin question alive.

    While the details might be contested, the overall picture speaks to a colossal crime against humanity, the consequences of which have yet to fully play out.

    Martin Armstrong has stated that Socrates predicts another civil war followed by the breakup of the USA, starting sometime in 2023. The fake Corona Chan “pandemic” will have played a part in that – and it’s ultimately consistent with the Globalist plan for the Great Reset and their New World Order (although, with much of the planet now railing against the Globalists, their insidious plans will ultimately fail – so sayeth Socrates).

    • Agree: Kali, Toza
    • Replies: @jimmy1969
    , @Tsar Nicholas
    , @JM
  8. Franz says:

    If the American government were so totally reckless

    Or stupid.

    The concept of “not fouling your own nest” is not the sort of lesson you want to learn the hard way.

    Fine article. The guilty parties probably won’t read or listen, good try anyway.

  9. D. K. says:

    ***

    The data report, obtained by the [sic] NBC News in London, said there was no phone activity in a high-security portion of the Wuhan Institute of Virology from October 7 to October 24, 2019.

    It indicates that there may have been a “hazardous event” sometime between October 6 and October 11.

    ***

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11586875/wuhan-lab-studying-bats-shut-october/

    (originally published May 9, 2020)

    ***

    U.S. lawmakers are demanding an investigation into the 2019 Military World Games in Wuhan, China, where athletes complained of COVID-like symptoms and described the city as a ‘ghost town’ weeks before authorities admitted the spread of a new virus.

    Almost 10,000 international competitors from 100 countries took part in what is known as the ‘military Olympics’ in October 2019, two months before Beijing confirmed they were treating patients with an ‘unknown pneumonia’.

    But today the city is at the center of concerns the virus leaked from a virology lab triggering fresh calls for investigators to examine claims that athletes fell ill.

    One athlete from Luxembourg reported “nearly empty” streets in Wuhan during the games, recalling, “It was a ghost town” and “There were rumors that the government warned the inhabitants not to go out,”‘ wrote Rep. Mike Gallagher in a letter to the Pentagon first reported by the Washington Post.

    . . .

    Italian fencer Matteo Tagliariol also said everyone in his Wuhan apartment fell ill with ‘symptoms that looked like those of Covid-19’, which later spread to the 37-year-old’s son and girlfriend.

    Oliver Gorges, a triathlete from Luxembourg, said he also suffered flu-like symptoms.

    And he described how Wuhan’s streets were ‘nearly empty’ when he went for a cycle ride in the city.

    ‘It was a ghost town,’ he said. ‘There were rumours that the government warned the inhabitants not to go out.’

    Gorges, 22, said he had his temperature recorded on arrival at the airport, while athletes were forced to wash their hands every time they entered the canteen and were ordered not to take food out of the premises.

    ‘It was strange,’ he added.

    ***

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9717133/Congress-demands-investigation-2019-Wuhan-Military-Games-athletes-showed-COVID-symptoms.html

    (originally published June 23, 2021)

    ****

    QUERY: If the United States Government, or rogue elements therein, brought the disease to China for the Military World Games, in October 2019, why was the host city (with a population about the size of New York City and the City of Los Angeles combined!) virtually shut down like “a ghost town” already, why were the Chinese authorities already taking the temperatures of foreign arrivals at the airport, and why were guest-athletes forced to wash their hands, whenever they entered the venue’s canteen?

  10. JR Foley says:

    Good for Ron Unz and Sputnik –both do circles around Western news sites !!!!!

    • Agree: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @Anthony Nugent
  11. Anon001 says:

    More bad news from Russia regarding immunization [1] – expiring/expired jabs will not be wasted. In other words, as they say, injections will continue until morale improves. Also, Sputnik V seems to be just rebranded AstraZeneca [2][3][4] – I guess Russian population was the trial group!

    [1] COVID Russia: Impressive clot-shot nihilism:
    https://edwardslavsquat.substack.com/p/covid-russia-impressive-clot-shot

    [2] Sputnik V: What you’re not being told:
    https://edwardslavsquat.substack.com/p/sputnik-v-what-youre-not-being-told

    [4] More non-stop lying from Sputnik V scientists:
    https://edwardslavsquat.substack.com/p/more-non-stop-lying-from-sputnik

    [4] Russia pushes for AstraZeneca/Sputnik V cocktail:
    https://edwardslavsquat.substack.com/p/russia-pushes-for-astrazenecasputnik

  12. sulu says:

    How ironic that an Unz story about the virus mentions The Daily Mail. Said News outlet has a story up at the time of this writing detailing the fact that Australian teen girls are suddenly suffering from a Tourette’s like affliction where they are having involuntary movements. The Daily Mail even cheekily suggests it might be related to all the time the teens spend online. They even go on to casually mention that it’s increasing all over the World. And of course the medical establishment is completely baffled by it all.

    It’s fortunate we have an intelligent educated man like Unz here to explain how irrational and wrong headed the concept of vaccine injury is. Ron just knows that none of this could be caused by the vaccine. It’s only the Rubes that think this could be a vaccine related injury.

    There is a difference between rational skepticism and pure pig headed stubbornness. I suspect in time the vaccine related injuries will be so great in number and magnitude that even a true believer such as Ron will have to at least admit the possibility of vaccine injury. That is assuming, of course, that he was not simply being disingenuous all along.

    Sulu

  13. dimples says:
    @D. K.

    “QUERY: If the United States Government, or rogue elements therein, brought the disease to China for the Military World Games, in October 2019, why was the host city (with a population about the size of New York City and the City of Los Angeles combined!) virtually shut down like “a ghost town” already, why were the Chinese authorities already taking the temperatures of foreign arrivals at the airport, and why were guest-athletes forced to wash their hands, whenever they entered the venue’s canteen?”

    You need not ask this question. Any form of evidence or allegation contrary to Mr Unz’s covid biowarfare narrative are never answered since they do not compute. Since the narrative is fixed in stone it cannot change to accommodate variant facts or allegations of variant facts.

    • Troll: Hoyeru
    • Replies: @dimples
  14. @sulu

    “vaccine related injuries will be so great in number and magnitude that even”

    It’s my opinion we passed that point a long time ago. AND Fauci and Biden prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the “vaccine” should be voluntary, since it does not stop transmission or infection, and anyone who has lost their job or livelihood for not talking it compensated or reinstated.

    I can understand (but still would not recommend) an 81 year old with comorbidities taking it but for everyone else it’s nonsensical

    • Agree: sulu
    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  15. JR Foley says:

    Good for Ron Unz and Sputnik —double header —Sputnik is better than Western fake news…

    • Agree: Notsofast, Iris
  16. meamjojo says:

    If I were Taiwan, I’d be manufacturing nasty viruses to be released over China, should China attack the island.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  17. @Anon001

    It was easy to get some of them. Lots of people that grew up during Communism when state force was regular. Mind you many many didn’t, and if you speak to people (for me around Moscow and Podmoskovie), lots of people are now “anti-vaxxers”, but on the whole they avoid the idiot-box!

    But I wrote letters to the ministry of health about whether they should create (they don’t have one atm) a VAERS like reporting system for adverse effects, and nada, no replies (and fortunately no knocks on doors by uniformed men with machine guns!).

    Russians are easy ginny pigs though. So afraid of the cold, or the snow, or rain, or whatever the hell. For at least the Rus 75%, given how genetically strong they are, they can act so weak it boggles at least my mind!

    • Replies: @acementhead
  18. JR Foley says:
    @D. K.

    Complete nonsense—-the city was vibrant and active until the eve of Spring Festival –to back and check the TV reports of the games—

    • Replies: @D. K.
    , @Random Anonymous
  19. @Franz

    Surely these people would have known that you can’t contain an airborne virus like Covid-19. Perhaps they intended to cripple China first before it came back to them. But then they weren’t even prepared to deal with it while China acted promptly to minimise the damage to its own economy and population. So yeah, maybe they intended to cause harm to themselves to cover up for an already failng economy and deepening crisis as well as cut down on their population, especially the old ones eating up pensions and social security. Easy enough to replace them with younger immigrants invading across the southern border. They’re even bussing them to Washington DC and want to mobilise the National Guard to speed up the process. No big loss for the billionaire elite and deep state players.

    • Agree: Franz
  20. @Anon001

    Thanks for the supplemental info on the Sputnik injection.

    Also, Sputnik V seems to be just rebranded AstraZeneca [2][3][4] – I guess Russian population was the trial group!

    … this is probably a misconception. The Astrazeneca product was allegedly developed with assistance from the Russian team responsible for the Sputnik product, after Sputnik was already being trialed on the market.

    So, if we accept that narrative, then they’re definitely closely related – but it would be more accurate (although only tenuously so) to characterise the Astrazeneca as a rebranded Sputnik product.

    Either way, best not to be injected with something that’s neither effective nor necessary.

    • Replies: @Anon001
  21. Jon Chance says: • Website

    “As for what is not true, you will always find abundance in the newspapers.”

    – Thomas Jefferson

    https://PlandemicSeries.com

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/bombshell-document-dump-pfizer-vaccine-data/5763397

  22. Anonymous[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @sulu

    Yes and you’re being pig headed stubborn to be stupid

    • Replies: @sulu
  23. 2020
    Chinese government said that Sinoamerican virus came from the bats. Later it revoked its statement after an australian microbiologist said that the virus can not infect the bats.

    2021
    Chinese government said that Sinoamerican virus came from the pangolins. Some weeks later it revoked its statement after a russian microbiologist said that the pangolins got the virus from humans, not the opposite. It was a human to animal transmission.

    2022
    Chinese government said that Sinoamerican virus came from Pokemon. There was a silence for two days, then the laughters of niggers, whiteys, chins, and japs heard all over the world.

  24. EdwardM says:

    Indeed, I have been reliably informed that a prominent national journalist wanted to obtain a copy of my recently published Covid book but was too fearful of buying it on Amazon, or even merely reading the individual articles on my website.

    Pretty much sums up our media, and entire establishment for that matter. I don’t know which is worse, the proverbial sticking fingers in his ears while shouting “Nananana,” or the belief that he couldn’t visit this web site at all in good conscience.

    • Replies: @Drive-by poster
  25. Dear Mr. Unz, let’s make a deal, we will accept that rogue ‘elements’ in the USA deep state created covid as a bio weapon if you will accept that covid was not dangerous for most people, was a media psy op preparing us for billion dollar vaxx babies from Pfitzer and Moderna, that lack of early treatment due to corporate and govt suppression killed millons, that statistical fraud of PCR and death counting inflated the covid death numbers, and that finally the vaxx and boosters are deadly to many and make many more sick and that lockdowns killled millions and destroyed the economy and that it’s all part of a goal of destroying our current system and bringing in a digital currency and globalist rule and….and….and….come on, let’s make a deal!

    • Agree: Thirdtwin, Toza
  26. Renoman says:

    Too long Ron, shorten er up!

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  27. mkr says:

    The theory that Covid 19 is an American bio-weapon attack against China and Iran doesn’t make any sense. Did the US first seal off China and Iran so as to isolate the attack to those two countries in order to ruin their economies? No. The virus is a worldwide event. If one accepts that Covid 19 is an American bio-weapon (ie Moderna patented DNA at his furin cleavage site and the unearthing of American funded and ran biolabs around the world who explicitly work on making coronaviruses human-transmissible), which seems most plausible, and if one accepts that it was deliberately released, which to me is most plausible, who benefits as the release affects the whole planet? I think it’s obvious that it’s destroyers of civilization who benefit, the ones who want to tear it all down and rebuild it; in addition, the purveyors of depopulation as a necessity and overpopulation presented as a fact; all of these people, the WEF, the “global warming” is going to kill us all crowd, the socialists/communists of the world, the people who want a digital currency, etc, they all went Covid insane with the same talking points and the same goal: “vaccinate everyone on Earth”, with a coronavirus “vaccine” which in all probability causes antibody dependent enhancement, greater infection, greater transmission, greater affects of the virus, rather than preventing the virus or mitigating the symptoms.

    All these things have been pushed by the same crowd (and blamed in some way on Russia since 2016, or the resistance to such crimes have been blamed on “Russian” disinformation since 2016, even Bernie Sanders was a willful or unwillful “Russian asset”/propaganda stooge, I don’t like that commie but I don’t like stealing elections even more):

    [MORE]

    1) got caught stealing primary election from Bernie Sanders in 2016
    2) got caught having used the state to spy on candidate for President Donald Trump in 2016 based on known-at-the-time lies
    3) got caught having falsely investigated a sitting President of the United States for supposedly being a “Russian agent” for three years straight, in order to remove him from office, a coup, based on known-at-the-time lies
    4) went ape with the “all white people are racists and oppressors and there is nothing good about them, all persons-of-color (POC, description of all non-white people worldwide, whites against everyone else, completely racist term) “can’t” be racists, or oppressors, and there is nothing bad about them, white people bad everyone else good. It’s a cult, a stupid illogical cult.
    5) transgender ideology, literally says that men can be women and vice versa, instructs children to become gender dysphoric, the regimes “doctors” say it is a medical condition requiring drugs and surgery, kids who can’t consent to tattoos and sex are said to be able to consent to life-altering drugs and surgery, kids don’t have the life experience or the intelligence to consent to such things, yet the cult says they do
    6) Covid release and all Covid implements such as the “vaccine” are completely fraudulent, everything the regime said about the whole thing is lies; the “blame China” without evidence line of attack, Trump even wanted 10 trillion from them, was another “blame Iraq for 9/11” idiocracy, you have to be dupe to buy it and not see the fraud in all of it; we’ll find out who did what as time goes on.
    7) The Ukraine war which is an ethnic and cultural conflict between native Ukrainians and their respective superpower overlords, never mind the right of the people to the land they were born and raised on, human rights and property rights, no, it’s another land and natural resource and military base European quagmire/high likelihood igniter of WWIII, another wretched European dumpster fire, a total failure from the start unless realizes that failure is probably the goal to begin with, whose on the side of the people in Ukraine to have a government that each ethnic and cultural group can agree to, you know, governance of, by, and for the people, the US government is not doing that, it appears that Russia is the one fighting for the will of the people, human rights, and property rights

    The whole things is gross, pushed by the same people, a cult, obviously.

    To keep saying that there are 1 million plus Covid deaths in America is absurd, they’ve already been forced to acknowledge that the PCR tests have troble distinguishing between the flu, the common cold, and Covid 19. In addition they were forced to admit they counted (may still) count all hospital death as Covid deaths irrespective of what the person actually died of, and, lastly, what happened to the flu, they want you to think those stupid masks and “socially distancing” wiped out the flu, which is absurd, stupid, and dangerous to people who want to avoid contracting Covid.

    I’ll add, Trump is a weirdo, promoted the “vaccine” to get elected, wanted “warp-speed” without testing, etc, dude is unelectable to me, can’t stand him, blowhard, wanted 10 trillion from China for a virus that the US probably released = if and when the evidence comes out the Chinese will want 10 trillion from American taxpayers, I hate Trump, loser.

    That’s my rant. Good luck. The cult isn’t done with their tyranny yet. We’ll see what happens as time goes on.

  28. Anon[271] • Disclaimer says:

    A one Jonathan Harmsworth, “4th Viscount Rothemere”, is the controlling shareholder, through a series of trusts and other special tax-status investments, of The Daily Mail. An example of true noblesse oblige apparently.

    Hopefully Corona will someday be viewed like 9/11, but even more so, as many tens of millions will learn to distrust our lying-establishment and hold its feet to the fire. I personally think China knew what we were up to but let us make what will turn out to be a gigantic Great Game mistake. Look at all the stupid mistakes we have made to our military and commercial aviation with vaxx mandates leading so many to leave those professions. Look at all the lost trust, self-inflicted economic, academic, and social damage the West self administered post Corona. The Chinese helped us cut off our own nose to spite the reflection of Donald Trump-populism off the nation’s face. The will probably see the end of the petrodollar and cheap energy when they will have needed both. Patriotism at all-time lows. Chinese planning>Pentagram/Mossad. Longer view is winning one.

    • Agree: Rev. Spooner
  29. Jake Dee says:

    Covid has been an utter disaster. I can’t get a slice of fresh Chinese Muntjac or Amur hedgehog for love nor money these days.
    As for it’s origins, maybe it was caused by the Chinese eating bats and Siberian weasels. But then again maybe it was caused by the Chinese not eating enough bats and Siberian weasels. They are medicinal you know.

  30. Bert says:

    Assuming SARS-2 was a U.S. product, would the CDC, NIH and FDA suppression of early treatment be a tactic to inflict damage on its own population so that the U.S. seemed a victim? Victimhood facilitates plausible deniability. Such a motivation for treatment suppression makes more sense than the “Letter Agencies” simply being creatures of Pfizer/Moderna.

    This would be the “benign” alternative to WingsofADove’s (25) mega-view of causation.

  31. Cohen says:

    I hope the new discussion could be shifted to vaccine profiteers, criminals, subverters, and government officials on one hands and hero like volunteers, truth seekers, writers, medical activities, innocent victims and the whole shabang.

    We should not rest until these vaccine promoters/criminal are brought to justice. No need to investigate anything to pacify the public (mostly fools). Direct law suits. I hope there are activist lawyers who are reading this.

    • Agree: Thor Walhovd
  32. Anon001 says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Quote: The Astrazeneca product was allegedly developed with assistance from the Russian team responsible for the Sputnik product, after Sputnik was already being trialed on the market.

    What are your references for this claim? References I provided, tell the opposite in no uncertain terms – including public statements by officials that AZ product was licensed for production to Russia.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  33. D. K. says:
    @JR Foley

    Congratulations! You earned a gold box from Ron Unz– for defending Ron Unz– and all without the bother of even citing, or else linking to, any evidence counter to the quotes from participants cited in the excerpts that I included in the comment to which you were responding, let alone to the two entire articles to which I had linked, above. When you, next, “refute” the explicit claims those participants made about temperature readings at the airport, upon their arrivals, mandatory hand-washing at the canteen, during the Games, and illnesses among the athletes and their companions, both during and immediately after the Games, by simply calling them “nonsense”, perhaps Mr. Unz will be able to code you up a new platinum box, as a reward for your service?

    • Replies: @Yee
  34. geokat62 says:

    Fortunately, although the West dominates the global media…

    It’s (((the West))) that dominates the global media, Ron.

    • Agree: Chuck Orloski
  35. @Curle

    They’ve always been the most right wing news outlet and despised by the left. They’ve always covered crimes of all sorts by immigrants to such an extent they’re considered a sensational kinda rag. But they obviously don’t fabricate the news. So credit where it’s due. They dig out the worms and splash their pictures for all to see.

    Having said this, their news coverage of the Ukraine crisis(where they collected millions for the “poor” Ukrainians) and jubilation at the reportage of any Russian military incidents have proven to me nobody knows the actual truth. Everybody is being played. The real truth can never be mainstream.

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
  36. Horus says:

    Covid looks like it was engineered. Most likely by the Chinese with American backing. Ergo both sides have an active interest in suppressing the truth and playing politics with it. China blames the US the US blames China. Its as expected.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    , @CBB
  37. “For more than two years, I have been publishing a series of articles arguing that there is very strong evidence that the global Covid outbreak was the result of an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran) by rogue elements of our own national security establishment.”

    Not very ‘effective’?
    “The Washington Post reported that 5 million people left Wuhan between January 10 (the start of the Chinese New Year travel rush) and the lockdown.[1] . . .
    Already we have very strong evidence that Covid-19 was deliberately spread. The disease was observed to spread rapidly throughout Wuhan indicating it was very contagious, yet millions left Wuhan for the new-year celebrations in their ancestral towns, and barely spread the disease, indicating it is hardly contagious at all. Then it suddenly becomes very contagious in Iran, and Italy.” ??

    http://www.preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1184&sid=ffcd77e902b4bcb97131e5472ed2bf12

  38. neutral says:

    In the end all those ZOG propaganda outlets are the same for all the things that really matter. They all promote race mixing, racial equality, normalizing homosexuality, obedience of Israel. With those things fixed and beyond discussion, they pretend they are ideological rivals when they are all on the same side discussing trivial issues.

  39. I surprised myself a few days ago… ever since Ron Unz suggested that “over a million Americans” dying of Covid was “unprecedented”… I thought he was suggesting that over a million of 330 million people dead over the course of 2.5 years from a virus was “unprecedented” (which is NOT true… those are the numbers typically produced in a bad flu season)… NO… what Ron Unz is really saying is that over a million Americans (and >15 worldwide) dead from the use of a bioweapon is “unprecedented”.

    Ron Unz supports his thesis that Covid was a U.S. bioweapon attack against China and Iran with rather convincing circumstantial evidence (most evidence is circumstantial).

    Isn’t the fact that China has locked down hundreds of millions of people (the most) convincing circumstantial evidence???

    Why would China do massive lockdowns against a virus that’s no more lethal than over a dozen global virus events in the last 100 years???

    If, as suggested by Ron Unz, the U.S. used bioweapons repeatedly against China in the last few years (i.e. swine + poultry + human attacks)… why wouldn’t China’s zero-Covid policy actually support Ron Unz’s theory… that China knows they have been and will continue to be under bioweapons attack… that China’s lockdowns are a war-time response… the Chinese people are being conditioned to protect themselves from bioweapons attacks???

    • Replies: @Thirdtwin
  40. @Franz

    You forget that globalist consider the entire world their nest. Therefore, the conventional concept of “not fouling your own nest” does not apply to these people responsible for creating and releasing viruses that damage or eliminate economic competitors (like the Swine and Avian Flu viruses that wiped out China’s swine and poultry industry) or Covid 19 designed to reduce the world’s population by killing-off the aged, while sterilizing the young with DNA-altering vaccines.

    • Agree: Rich, Franz
  41. @WingsofADove

    I was with you completely… until a few days ago… see my comment #39 below… I simply didn’t understand what Mr. Unz was saying (… though I must say that he could have expressed himself better?).

  42. anarchyst says:

    There have been many claims about the origin of viruses, especially today’s latest
    “COVID-19 coronavirus”.

    However, there is a long history of viruses throughout human history and false claims as to their points of origin.

    In fact, the “1918 Spanish flu” virus actually originated in the United States of America and was spread to Europe during the First World War, transmitted by the U. S. military during American military transports to Europe. The “culprit” was an experimental meningitis “vaccine” that was administered to an American military trade delegation. Sound familiar? The commonly-accepted misinformation that this virus originated in Europe is false and can easily be proven by careful research.

    The majority of “1918 Spanish flu pandemic” deaths were not from the virus itself, but were from the then common practice of mask-wearing. In fact, “mask-wearers” were being buried by non-mask-wearers.

    You see, just as is the case today, breathing in one’s own exhalations is dangerous and is being promoted by the misguided government-imposed mandates to wear masks.

    99% of the deaths during the “1918 Spanish flu pandemic” were a result of bacterial pneumonia, NOT from the virus itself. As there were no treatments for bacterial pneumonia in those days, the death rate was horrendously high. Those who contracted the flu, but not pneumonia survived. As is the case today, almost everyone that dies with COVID-19 dies from complications from other causes, NOT from the virus itself.

    Fast forward to today, with our latest “COVID-19 pandemic”.

    Today’s “Chinese COVID-19 pandemic” actually originated at the American bioweapons research facility at Fort Detrick Maryland and was purposely brought to China by an American military “trade delegation” where it was released into the Chinese population. Biowarfare at its worst…

    The “COVID-19 vaccines” being pushed are “game changers” as they are replete with substances which will materially change human DNA, unlike previous vaccines which were merely weakened or killed virus remnants which would evoke a protective antibody response. Since the “Supreme Court” ruled that artificially sequenced DNA could be patented, anyone who takes the mRNA “jabs” becomes a “slave”, owned by the artificially sequenced DNA patent holder.

    Sound familiar?

    Today’s “COVID-19 pandemic” is actually a “plandemic” being used to take down a legally elected president and to usher in a “new world order” in which medical tyranny will be used to subjugate an entire world population, using FEAR as a weapon.

    Today’s “pandemic” is misnamed as it does not meet the definition of a “pandemic” but is being touted as such for political reasons—nothing more. Observe non-medical types such as Bill Gates and others touting untested vaccines with questionable substances, mask-wearing, and other social restrictions such as (selective) business closures, lockdowns and social distancing.

    For one, Bill Gates is not a “doctor”, has no medical training, and is a major proponent of “depopulation”–genocide. Gates is a “silver spoon” recipient, both of his parents being proponents of forced sterilization and eventual world depopulation.

    In fact, Bill Gates’ “vaccination schemes” have resulted in not only diseases being spread, but the use of birth-control and sterilization agents surreptitiously being a part of Gates’ “vaccination” schemes without “informed consent” being a part of the vaccination protocol speaks VOLUMES. Recipients of Gates’ “vaccines” were not informed that they were being sterilized—a violation of the Nuremberg protocols on “informed consent”.

    It is easy to see that there is much more going on than a response to a minor seasonal “flu virus”. Notice that there hasn’t been a “seasonal flu” epidemic in over two years–perfectly coinciding with the COVID-19 “plandemic”.

    Its about CONTROL and eventual human genocide—nothing more.

    WAKE UP PEOPLE!

    • Replies: @Carroll price
  43. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    million Americans have now recently died due to the reckless and illegal actions of their own government

    This is a government that has had few qualms in killing and destroying the lives of millions of people all over the world when they became impediments to US economic and political interests. US also has a track record of using biowarfare in places like Korea and Cuba so this isn’t out of line with past behavior. We know the saying, one death a tragedy, a million a statistic. Most normal people can’t wrap their heads around such extreme sociopathy that they dismiss the idea that it is being done by what is supposedly their “own government”.

    has dared to publicly discuss it

    We’re living in an environment of intimidation and fear, not as overtly as under previous notorious dictatorships but it’s there, bubbling beneath the surface. It’s a gloved fist that ratchets up the pressure as needed.

  44. Treg says:

    Now that Russia has it, it will trigger everyone emotionally to assert that this is “clearly propaganda. And if you keep repeating it, then you’re clearly on the side of Russia”.

  45. IronForge says:

    Great Scoop on Sputnik, Mister Unz:

    Hope Sputnik, RT, CGTN, and/or Global Times will do their Versions of Comprehensive “Coverage Series” involving your Hypothesis.

    I say this because the West is suppressing this heavily – I suspect because of the BioWarfare R&D/Acts Committed and Pharma Profiteering already gone Out of Hand and exposed. We need prominent “Polar Powers of the World” to shed light upon this in a sustained manner. Some of us have read deeply into this to learn a great deal; but the General “Western Public” are kept away, aloof, and consumed – much like the “Eloi” of H.G. Wells’ Novel “Time Machine”.

    Again, Thank you.

  46. Yee says:
    @D. K.

    the explicit claims those participants made about temperature readings at the airport, upon their arrivals, mandatory hand-washing at the canteen, during the Games, and illnesses among the athletes and their companions, both during and immediately after the Games,

    Why is checking temperature and insist hand washing before eating suspicious?

    You have all these people coming from every part of the world, isn’t it reasonable to assume someone could carry some sort of contagious disease from their native country? Your doctor would have given you the same advice in disease prevention.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  47. Deep respect for Ron Unz. For once the term “fearlessly proclaiming truth the power” legitimately applies.

  48. Jimmy1969 says:

    Another great article displaying a breadth of knowledge presented in a concise format. The bad mouthing of the NYT here is horse that is well beaten from the moderate right; I think that someone should take a good shot at CNBC. They are a pretend business site hiding the fact that they are a woke far left liberal propaganda outfit. They feature some of the brightest sharpest minds of Wall St but only if they stick to neutral safe topics. They never allow a right wing guy on their set to say: what about black crime, or what about the unsafe conditions in NYC 5 minutes from where I work on Wall St; what about off shore money and who is running and hiding those trillion; how much tax write offs go to Israel from Goldman Sachs; what about the Antifa summer of terror and who financed the guys like Joe Rosenbaum? Can we expose and bad mouth George Soros…can we get some guy on here to do that. No they won’t, they are supreme hypocrites ….messing around with the billionaires and multi millionaires of the business world but acting as mindless woke cheerleaders. The sickening thing is that many of the zillionaire guests dress up in preppy costumes and talk like they are the struggling guy next door. Ron write something on CNBC and destroy their hypocrisy.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  49. Karl1906 says:

    At this point I feel like an (American) indian in the 19th century must have felt who has just been told that the blankets they were given by white traders had been deliberately infected with smallpox to exterminate them all. And you all know how much “consequence” and “accountability” has come from this crime.

    I’d even EXPECT them at some point (not too far in the future) to freely admit that Covid19 was deliberately released for “the good of Western civilisation”. Say, sometime next year when they had their winter of hell to push us against the wall and their jack boots firmly in place in all of the NATO-states and the EU to stamp out any opposition. Just look what they did in Canada.

  50. anon[310] • Disclaimer says:

    US use of the banned biological weapon SARS2 is a historical turning point. We’ve seen this process of CIA asserting its impunity by committing increasingly grave crimes from mass murder and torture to aggression and signaling, “What are you gonna do about it?” They call it killing two birds with one stone, getting your way while discrediting the authority of the UN Charter.

    It works until it doesn’t. SARS2 combines sneak-attack aggression with mass medical experimentation, arguably the gravest crime against humanity and peace ever committed. Now, unfortunately, the US happens to be on the short end of a missile gap, a real one, with an atrophied defense industrial base.

    Ukraine is best viewed as CIA’s flucht nacht vorn. Their only chance is to start a national emergency to justify states of exception that save their neck, at least at home. It’s not gonna work.

    Command responsibility, bitchez. Bob Gates, Hayden, Pompeo, Daszak, Kadlek, Avril and Gina She-Wolf of the SIS are going to be squirming in the glass booth at Khabarovsk. Or they’re gonna wind up like De’Andrea and Mitrione.

  51. Thirdtwin says:
    @Steve in Dallas

    Are you saying that whatever “covid” is apparently running rampant in China is not the same as what we had here and is actually deadly? Is it something that HCQ, Ivermectin and all the other cheap therapies cannot defeat? Is China grimly fighting for its life in tight-lipped diplomatic silence while fighting back by other means?

    I have wondered about the continued extreme lockdowns there while the rest of the world seems to be coming around, though I chalked it up to Central Planning and reactionary brute force. But I keep reading stories in the media about how China’s government and economy are in real trouble, even though they appear to be strong, and I have to wonder if we are being groomed with a narrative of which Eastern Covid is an unspoken part. And the current alliance between Russia and China likely figures in somewhere.

    Something big must be going on just below the surface, when a thing like Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan is fraught with peril. I remember W being tested in the Summer of 2001 after the Chinese forced our surveillance plane to land on Hainan island, and it was the biggest thing in the news, until September.

  52. @sulu

    Immediate vax injury, “long covid” vax injury, immune system damage, and then god knows what all! I had heard of the increase in “all-cause mortality”, but this is the first info indicating/confirming possible fertility issues/”damage”. It ain’t over.

    • Thanks: sulu, Agent76
  53. TKK says:

    The interplay between the US Government admitting any culpability in COVID-19 and the billions of dollars of insurance claims that are being blanket denied would be profound.

    I worked briefly on a case that peeled back the layers of the thousands of small business, and some large, that are filing COVID-19 claims for loss and interruption of business from the US Government forced shut downs. All of them are being denied under a ridiculous, arcane reading of the word “virus” and “government action” in the context of business interruption in the policy documents.

    There was some email chatter I read that opined if the COVID 19 claims were paid, most mega insurance companies would go bankrupt. Perhaps the US government has paid the Big Boys of the Insurance world to deny the claims and “hold the line” on their official story?

  54. @EdwardM

    Indeed, I have been reliably informed that a prominent national journalist wanted to obtain a copy of my recently published Covid book but was too fearful of buying it on Amazon, or even merely reading the individual articles on my website.

    What?

    Don’t journalists (nationally prominent or otherwise) routinely visit “fringe” websites as part of their research for articles? I cannot understand why any journalist would be afraid to be caught visiting the Unz site or buying an R. Unz authored book when any journalist worthy of the name spends a fair amount of time investigating fringe people and websites to see whether they might have something or are just having a laugh.

    Anyway, Idea #1: with the ubiquity of cell phones, I do not know if cybercafes still exist in the US. If they do, that would be one way the Prominent National Journalist (PNR) could browse the site worry-free, provided he pays cash and dumps his browser history before he leaves.

    Idea #2: it may surprise the PNR to learn of this, but: it turns out there are other places to purchase books besides Amazon! No, really, it’s true! They are called “bookshops” and, as a rule, will sell (or order) any kind of book you may wish to read.

    Pay cash, wear dark glasses and/or a Coof mask and Bob’s your uncle!

    Likewise, the PNR could use WorldCat to see if there is a library/institution near them that has a copy of Ron’s book. I refuse to believe that a library couldn’t purchase a copy and put it in the “UFOs-and-other-kook-stuff” section without raising a fuss.

    Frankly, any journalist who cannot concoct a way to look at so-called “forbidden” material without getting caught ought to consider finding a different job.

    (Are journalists really this timid and/or uninventive in 2022? No wonder I pay little attention to the news.)

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  55. @sulu

    It’s fortunate we have an intelligent educated man like Unz here to explain how irrational and wrong headed the concept of vaccine injury is. Ron just knows that none of this could be caused by the vaccine. It’s only the Rubes that think this could be a vaccine related injury.

    I think you are mischaracterizing Ron’s critique of the anti-vaxxers. As I read it — maybe I got it wrong — his view was/is that the anti-vaxxers were fact-challenged and extreme, while he assesses that the protective value of the vax against hospitalization and death was significantly greater than the risk of adverse events.

    It is entirely possible that as this plays out long term, his initial assessment of the risk-versus-protective-value may flip.

    Meanwhile, your rebuttal of his position could be a little more “collegial”.

    • Replies: @A B Coreopsis
  56. Thirdtwin says:
    @Thirdtwin

    Okay, looking back, and not relying on my crusty memory, the whole P3 incident was over before Summer. Sorry for the unnecessary added drama lol

  57. Covid-19 does not exist, it has never been isolated, it is the flu and colds and pneumonia renamed to terrify people into taking the genocide shot which is not a vax, it is a genocide shot and is the kill shot for the WEF and UN depopulation agenda.

    Millions pouring across the southern border without having to take the shot, proves that this is a white population replacement agenda, the whites in America are suckered into taking the genocide shot while the illegals are exempt and congress is exempt, the WHO is exempt, the CDC is exempt, the NIH is exempt, all of which prove covid-19 is a scam and a psyop, the biggest scam and psyop in the history of the world.

    • Agree: Towey, H. L. M
    • Thanks: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  58. MGB says:
    @sulu

    It’s only the Rubes that think this could be a vaccine related injury.

    see above reference to Sach’s narcissistic, no truck for dissent approach. unz (hats off to his site’s openness) claims never to investigate issues which interfere with his narrative, e.g. he is a proponent of the pre-crime aspects of the viral component of the ‘pandemic’, but ignores the long trajectory of the vaccine’s development, and hence corporate involvement in the scheme. half a good job, unz!

    • Agree: sulu
    • Replies: @I'm Goygeous
  59. @Thirdtwin

    Covid was a bioweapon targeted for China and Iran primarily, but was mild enough for most people such that if a blowback and contagion did happen in the west, the blowback should mostly be manageable. At least that was the plan, but western leadership expectedly managed to botch the response to blowback.

    But future bioweapon attacks could be China-specific, genetically targeting them. The Chinese leadership is preparing the population for such a future. Lockdowns and masking are Chinese response drill for future bio-wars similar to how Covid was mostly an attacking drill for US++ empire.

    Some of the lockdowns could be specific intelligence driven and preventative, too. We will never know.

    • Replies: @MarkU
  60. JackOH says:

    Ron, Dr. Amy Acton spoke here yesterday. Dr. Acton was the Ohio health commissioner during the early days of the pandemic. I’m not sure if her speech was a one-off. She spent some of her growing-up years here, and does have a genuine up from adversity story to tell.

    She was quoted as saying:

    ” . . . [A] ‘pandemic playbook’ was written during the President George W. Bush administration . . .”.

    “Acton added she hopes to see a commission . . . appointed that would feature ‘the right people around the table and the best minds” and operate similarly to the 9/11 Commission . . .”.

    I’d welcome an authoritative inquiry into the pandemic, as I’ve mentioned several times. I’d like to see Ron’s theory given a fair hearing. I think it’d be worthwhile to investigate Ron’s theory to reveal the connections between America’s biomedical establishment, international biomedical institutions, and the American military.

    My big concern is such a commission will fail to recognize our medical establishment’s strong bias against examining how the distribution of American health care contributed to America doing worse than Mexico and much worse than Canada on a per capita basis. Doctors, hospitals, Big Pharma, and others will fight like hell to block national health care from even being hinted at.

    • Replies: @Jim H
  61. @Biff

    Russia has become what America has always said it stands for: democracy, freedom, individualism, respect for the individual, due process, etc. These are gone.

    Russia actually reminds me more that a bit how America was in the 1950s. The sewage of the West, its social and cultural diseases are blocked in Russia, deliberately.

  62. @Desert Fox

    Show some respect! Noticing stuff that is happening in plain sight doesn’t go down well when the brothers and sisters of the Unz Lodge of the Ancient and Venerable Order of COVID Obsession gather for their weekly meeting.

    • LOL: Bro43rd
  63. jimmy1969 says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    sucking up to the boss…you little browner

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  64. Jim H says:
    @JackOH

    ‘a commission [featuring] ‘the right people around the table and the best minds’ and operate similarly to the 9/11 Commission . . .” — JackOH

    With due credit for her good intentions, Dr Amy Acton is going to have to peel away a few more layers of the onion to get to the heart of the matter.

    A bipartisan commission of ‘the right people and the best minds’ is only going to produce a whitewash, like the Warren commission and the 9/11 commission.

    Perps cannot investigate their own crimes. They can only divert attention: Look, over there, a squirrel!

    • Replies: @JackOH
  65. @anarchyst

    …breathing in one’s own exhalations is dangerous….

    Obviously. You see what it did to Joe and Kamala’s brain.

  66. Khan says:

    mRNA spike protein synthesis is bad for you if not fatal…… Data driven analysis can be viewed by searching Dr Peter McCullough. Dr David E. Martin also provides context by quoting the “rogue” elements of our criminal “elite” establishment in their own words.
    That they have yet to be arrested and prosecuted is prima facie evidence that we live in a dictatorship where the crimes of the State are ignored!
    Why do we think that Ron Unz can put a better case than David Martin or Peter McCullough?
    Research Smedley Butler, JFK, 9/11……. Millions murdered and Phillip Zelikow 9/11 Commission, a Warren Commision cover-up…these neo cons keep skating free!
    The idea that the Daily Mail is anything other than soft porn click-bait trash is such an obvious pseudo objective sophistry.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  67. JackOH says:

    Poupon, a year or so ago I heard the following on a German crime drama TV show broadcast here on MHz. I’m paraphrasing from memory:

    Police Official #1: The suspect will have to go to trial. Maybe we can get him then!

    Police Official #2: This isn’t America. The suspect needs a fair trial. We’ll have to find evidence.

    Yeah, it’s just TV. But, that line—this is not America–wouldn’t have made it to script unless a large number of German viewers were known to be skeptical of America’s “cover story”.

    • Replies: @MGB
  68. @Desert Fox

    I do not agree : COVID exists, kills and above all, cripples for life when it manifests in its long form. It is, like polio used to be before Sabin (Salk’s thing didn’t work), a disease that doesn’t kill so much (which it does at old age) as it incapacitates physically and mentally in a permanent way mot often (which it does at any age equally). One of the possible frequent effects is the “mental fog”. The vaccine’s multiple possible side-effects, when they occur, are of the very same kind, though far milder and far less frequent. I have no trouble imagining it is most probably a weaponized virus. In particular the myocarditis that incapacitates so many former athletes who risk dying of a stroke if they don’t give up their physical activity manifests even more frequently as a side effet of long or asymptomatic COVID as that of the vaccine, though the latter must not be excused or discounted. Ivermectin and Quinine can contribute indeed, among others and in intelligent hands, to prevent the COVID from killing through respiratory incapacitation when administered at the very right time, but the more long-term damages the virus can leave behind are not mitigated. It leaves behind, in the countries that are more resistant to it (Africa in particular) about the same kind of permanent mental damages as malaria. One proof of what I am advancing is that the migrants from Central America you refer to are as a rule very favourable to vaccination, as they make their judgements based on the practical experience of their close ones, not on internet rumours.

  69. @Anon001

    What are your references for this claim?

    TBH I wouldn’t characterise my contribution as a”claim”, more as just a recollection of the published information as it unfolded at the time. In other words, I was there (as were you) and took note of events as they happened and were reported.

    In that sense, I don’t have any specific references on hand to substantiate my recall – but I’ll stand by it nonetheless.

    However, a bit of digging around serves to confirm the notion that Sputnik V came first, and Astrazeneca followed after, and that the boffins at Astrazeneca enlisted the aid of their Russian counterparts at the Gamaleya National Research Center and incorporated at least part of the Sputnik V product into their own vaccine candidate…

    (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30402-1/fulltext ]

    (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01813-2 ]

    (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41587-020-00804-4 ]

    We could keep digging deeper, but the sequence of events reported way back then as they were happening does seem to support my understanding of the matter. Meaning no disrespect to Mr. Slavsquat, but first-hand observations of real-time media reporting of events from a couple of years ago do leave a lasting impression.

    Whatever may have transpired since those early days is another matter entirely.

  70. MGB says:
    @JackOH

    what’s the name of the show?

    • Replies: @JackOH
  71. Rich says:

    At the beginning, I was doubtful that the US would have been involved in this kind of biological warfare. But some very cogent arguments, and evidence of American bio-warfare labs in Ukraine have brought me to a more neutral position, even leaning towards Mr Unz’ position. The rush to lockdown and to force an experimental drug on millions without adequate testing leads me to believe that the US government was unsure how dangerous its biological agent actually was. The way almost every government in the world went along with the program also indicates that word was passed that this was an artificially created “virus” which was expected to be much worse. Unfortunately, like the JFK assassination, 9-11,bin Laden’s death and a hundred other things, we’ll never get the answer.

  72. @Khan

    The idea that the Daily Mail is anything other than soft porn click-bait trash is such an obvious pseudo objective sophistry.

    Sad to say, it is easy to remember when no man on either side of the Atlantic who valued his self-respect would even think to look at the Daily Mail—and when no man who wished to keep the respect of others, whether he merited it or not, would admit to looking at it.

    Thanks to a century of Jewish control of soi-disant entertainment, the phrase “soft-porn trash” now has the ring of praise to perhaps 80 percent of America’s brainwashed, sex-obsessed population. I suspect the sitaution isn’t much better in Europe.

  73. @interesting

    I can understand … an 81 year old with comorbidities taking [the vaxx jab] …

    It is especially understandable for an 81-year-old who notices that his comorbidities, by themselves, don’t seem to be slowing his progress toward his 82nd birthday as much as he hoped they would.

  74. JackOH says:
    @Jim H

    Jim, agree 100%.

    Dr. Amy’s probably decent enough within her limits. Early on in the pandemic, she affected a public manner of likeable young schoolmarm patiently explaining the science to a confused and frightened Ohio public. The persona fit her. I liked her.

    Then an Ohio newsman asked her about an uninsured Ohioan who complained of COVID-like symptoms and who was refused admission to a hospital. Dr. Amy broke character and snapped: “I haven’t heard of that.” I don’t recall the newsman following up. I was skeptical of her Nice Public Health Person mojo thereafter.

    I agree that a whitewash-quality inquiry is most likely, and the participants’ll be as credentialed up as a Christmas tree hidden under tinsel.

  75. sulu says:
    @Anonymous

    Why don’t you try again? It’s obvious you are desperately trying to say something but your grasp of the English language is simply not up to the task.

    Sulu

  76. Ron Unz says:
    @Drive-by poster

    Don’t journalists (nationally prominent or otherwise) routinely visit “fringe” websites as part of their research for articles? I cannot understand why any journalist would be afraid to be caught visiting the Unz site or buying an R. Unz authored book when any journalist worthy of the name spends a fair amount of time investigating fringe people and websites to see whether they might have something or are just having a laugh.

    Frankly, I’d never heard of anyone being fearful of buying some book on Amazon and it seemed ridiculous, but that’s what I was told by the person the journalist spoke with. Apparently, the concern was doing anything that would leave a trail. Probably some journalists are just more paranoid than others.

    My eBook versions are all freely downloadable and they can be uploaded to other websites, so I can’t see why shouldn’t be easy to obtain.

  77. D. K. says:
    @Yee

    “Why is checking temperature and insist hand washing before eating suspicious?

    “You have all these people coming from every part of the world, isn’t it reasonable to assume someone could carry some sort of contagious disease from their native country? Your doctor would have given you the same advice in disease prevention.”

    To repeat:

    ***

    Italian fencer Matteo Tagliariol also said everyone in his Wuhan apartment fell ill with ‘symptoms that looked like those of Covid-19’, which later spread to the 37-year-old’s son and girlfriend.

    Oliver Gorges, a triathlete from Luxembourg, said he also suffered flu-like symptoms.

    And he described how Wuhan’s streets were ‘nearly empty’ when he went for a cycle ride in the city.

    ‘It was a ghost town,’ he said. ‘There were rumours that the government warned the inhabitants not to go out.’

    Gorges, 22, said he had his temperature recorded on arrival at the airport, while athletes were forced to wash their hands every time they entered the canteen and were ordered not to take food out of the premises.

    ‘It was strange,’ he added. [emphasis added]

    ***

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9717133/Congress-demands-investigation-2019-Wuhan-Military-Games-athletes-showed-COVID-symptoms.html

    (originally published June 23, 2021)

    ***

    Did any such international athletic event prior to October 2019, including the 2008 Summer Olympics in China itself, use such measures as mere common-sensical health precautions, not to fight a known outbreak of contagious disease?

    • Replies: @Yee
  78. Dumbo says:

    Zzzz….

    A “bio weapon” that is basically just like the flu…

    Then why not just “release” the normal flu virus?

    No matter how many views it has, Ron Unz’s theory is STUPID.

    COVID is/was a NOTHING BURGER. The “fight against COVID” was what caused all the trouble.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Hoyeru
  79. The possible lab origin was hardly the Daily Mail scoop. See the January 2020 lab paper referenced in the following article, HIV inserts and Moderna sequence.

    https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/sars-cov-2-was-lab-made-under-project

    Link to paper

    https://s.rfi.fr/media/display/22fb1820-f9a0-11ea-9ad9-005056bff430/02%20Uncanny_similarity_of_unique_inserts_in_the_2019-n.pdf

  80. Ron Unz says:
    @Dumbo

    COVID is/was a NOTHING BURGER. The “fight against COVID” was what caused all the trouble.

    I really should earlier emphasized that this thread is not for arguing about vaxxing or whether Covid exists, and such comments are less likely to be published. I wrote a column a couple of weeks ago focused on those issues, so you can discuss them there.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  81. Jett Rucker says: • Website

    The toll of COVID pales by comparison with the toll of a war between the US and China.

    • Thanks: Pierre de Craon
  82. Dumbo says:
    @Ron Unz

    I am not arguing about vaxxing (I didn’t mention vaccines) nor that COVID doesn’t exist. I suppose it exists, as I seem to have had it a few weeks ago. It was like a mild flu. Not just for me, for millions of people. Average age of death in Italy was 82 years old. 84 years old in Spain.

    My argument is, COVID is not that a big deal. Perhaps the first wave was a bit stronger, but it is stupid to argue about COVID while simply ignoring all the unprecedented stuff that was done “against it” such as lockdowns, mask mandates, vaccine mandates, vaccine passports, etc, etc, etc. THAT was what was shocking and unprecedented, not a virus that really doesn’t seem all that abnormal and may even have already existed before Wuhan.

    Not once I have seen you even mentioning any of that psychological and social chaos that was created, let alone criticizing those worldwide measures. For something that (at least right now) it’s not stronger than a flu.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  83. harfang67 says:

    Didn’t complete my previous comment.
    Thanks you very much Mr Unz for this post. And please keep us updated on this matter.
    Will circulate it to some leadsrship people in my area to allow them to make appropriate décisions on this matter.
    Have downloaded your ebook material on the above and more.

  84. Anon[101] • Disclaimer says:

    The Chinese certainly reacted as if they were being attacked with a Bioweapon

  85. MarkU says:
    @China Silence

    But future bioweapon attacks could be China-specific, genetically targeting them.

    I consider that one of the most dangerous ideas imaginable.

    The idea that viruses, which are capable of jumping species, could be reliably restricted to one ethnic/genetic population group is dangerously insane. I don’t doubt that some psychopathic and scientifically challenged corporate/political leaders might be sold the idea by some equally psychopathic and ambitious ‘experts’ but it is well nigh certain to backfire disastrously. Anyone who is promoting or working on that line of research should be sacked (because they are clearly incompetent) and then committed to an institution for the criminally insane.

    • Replies: @China Silence
    , @Ron Unz
  86. Ferrari says:
    @Ron Unz

    Some particular journalist in recent memory got in trouble for leaving a comment on VDARE or Amren (or possibly this site, I don’t totally recall the details). The comment actually defended left wing ideology and the person who wrote the comment got in trouble/bad personal press.

    I can’t remember the specifics of the situation though — but the example exists.

    I would imagine early career journalists in their 20s/3os do everything they can to signal allegiance to the correct ideology and don’t want to be viewed as traitors to the mainstream media regime. That said, I am absolutely sure that editors and some senior writers of the mainstream media do read this website and other fringe websites that they feel are somewhat coherent enough to read. Ron has written about this regarding that there seems to be a campaign in the media to never mention the website UNZ Review. His case was persuasive in that regard.

    The mainstream media also gives it away that they read the “far right” websites. They constantly reference “far right conspiracy theories” and the latest anti-vaxing arguments. They aren’t pulling 5G causes Covid arguments out of thin air — they just check the websites and present the worst arguments the far right makes to the general public in order to disparage them.

    • Replies: @Drive-by poster
  87. ebear says:

    “….by rogue elements of our own national security establishment.”

    Plausible deniability: I swear, it wasn’t us! It was those pesky rogue elements!

    • LOL: Bro43rd
  88. @meamjojo

    Yes, deranged genocidal Zionist maniacs like you do regularly exhibit a comprehensive and completely psychopathic blind hatred and disdain for the lives of the citizens of the nations which they consider their sworn political and cultural enemies – Russia, China, Iran etc.

    Die soon, You-am-Jew-Jew.

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Thanks: meamjojo
  89. JackOH says:
    @MGB

    I can’t recall. May have been Tatort, which I think is “crime scene”. Shortly after, MHz became subscription-only, and I declined..

  90. Cookie says:

    The only reason that I became aware of the Wuhan flu story of the wet market again was because Australian media ran it last week as “new evidence” when -as you explain Ron- it isn’t.

    One has to ask is this a subtle brainwashing exercise to reinforce in public minds a false story?

    It may be a strange coincidence that the web site of W M Briggs has a story on the persistence of false beliefs.

    https://www.wmbriggs.com/post/41394/

    Is this the role now of Western media to reinforce false narratives?

    The real question is…is how long can we allow such reckless people to run our societies…and in the U.S case the world?

    This is a problem for all the world now because the American people have failed to act and reign in the “out of control” ideologues that run their state.

    The overreaction of the response to the Wuhan virus always suggested that a core group of highly placed people knew where it came from.

    If this virus turned out as deadly as intended then we would not be debating this now.

    Are we going to wait for an Omega Man type situation before we act?

  91. @Renoman

    “Too long” ? 1800 words ? You’re joking, right ?

    Have you read anything here by Jung-Freud recently ?

  92. A thunder of jets in an open sky, a streak of gray and a cheerful “Hi!” A loop, a whirl, a vertical climb, and once again you know it’s time for…

    Rocky Rhinolophus Bats, Fauci BS and Friends
    – National Institutes of Health, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, EcoHealth Alliance president Peter Daszak, World Economic Forum

    https://nypost.com/2021/11/04/letter-confirms-wuhan-lab-virus-study-was-funded-by-taxpayers/

    Meanwhile Nature Magazine is still blaming the Bats as of September 2021

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02596-2

    But IT’s Plot is really more about the Clot shot, depopulation, the great reset, population reduction, crashing economies WORLDWIDE, IT IS A GLOBAL THING

  93. @Thirdtwin

    I don’t remember the (below) numbers exactly… but I remember they were shockingly huge… something like…

    1) in 2018(?), to stop the spread of a swine virus epidemic, the Chinese eliminated 40%(?) of their pig populations… hundreds of millions(?) of pigs.

    2) the next year(?), to stop the spread of a poultry virus epidemic, the Chinese eliminated 1/3(?) of their poultry populations… again, hundreds of millions(?) of animals.

    So… if the Chinese resorted to killing large percentages of whole animal populations… what would they do to stop the spread of a human virus epidemic? Eliminate hundreds of millions… or just lock them up in their homes… for months… years?

    I don’t know how lethal the Chinese swine and poultry epidemics were… but basic logic says… if Covid (a virus no more lethal than many viruses over the past 100 years) was a natural virus … then the Chinese would NOT have locked-up hundreds of millions of people… so… the Chinese lockdown response seems to be a clear indication that Covid was a bioweapon attack… and Ron Unz is correct… 15 million have already died in WWIII.

    Sarcasm/Synicism…

    The whole subject is stupid… why would anyone even care… because as we all know… we the “global woke” are correct when we say… “bio-weapons” are nothing… totally unimportant… compared to “global warming”… why bother to investigate/prosecute/punish our wonderfully woke global leaders for developing/using bioweapons… when we need to get busy punishing the whole human race for everything we do… we need to be eliminated… to stop global warming!

    • LOL: Bro43rd
  94. @Horus

    Covid looks like it was engineered. Most likely by the Chinese with American backing.

    Boring maybe. But possibly right nevertheless.

  95. GoySoy says:

    Its amazing that unz is still reference the economic con man jeffrey sachs. He participated in the looting operations in Russia in the nineties, and have as much credentials to chair the committee as the school dropout, liar and thief, bill gates , who is advising people and governments about vaccines. However, there is a connection between these people; members of the degenerate tribe.

  96. @MarkU

    They should be, sure. But who will? Collectively the mass has not shown any resistance at all to inconsistent nad implausible media narratives,m and vaccine mandates, and has not shown much receptivity to bio weapons hypothesis even when Russian and Iranian head of state brought that up.

    Last 30 months can only have emboldened the worst psychos within TPTB that runs the world.

    Our only hope seems to be within TPTB, there is a relatively saner group that will dissuade the worst psychos within them. As we have seen from Baric, Fauci etc if there is demand from the political psychos, there is no lack of supply within scientific psycho community.

  97. Ron Unz says:
    @Dumbo

    I am not arguing about vaxxing (I didn’t mention vaccines) nor that COVID doesn’t exist…My argument is, COVID is not that a big deal.

    Well, keep in mind your comment was published. But I got fed up and trashed a bunch of agitated anti-vaxxing comments because this thread isn’t about vaxxing. I did a column about vaxxing a couple of weeks ago and people are welcome to rant about vaxxing as much as they want on that one.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  98. @sulu

    @sulu
    Yes, the Daily Mail does mention Tourette – https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9648101/Teens-reveal-Tourettes-brought-anxiety-lockdown-changed-life.html
    So do other sources including the Wall Street Journal – https://www.wsj.com/articles/teen-girls-are-developing-tics-doctors-say-tiktok-could-be-a-factor-11634389201. Its headline is:-
    Teen Girls Are Developing Tics. Doctors Say TikTok Could Be a Factor.

    Not very different from the down market Mail is it? Are your sneers warranted?

  99. These studies were by top researchers and based upon my reading, they seemed quite solid, with important scientific conclusions. But they were released as preprints five months ago, and had already been featured in February on the front-page of the New York Times, whose article had a similar title and parallel conclusions to those of the Mail.

    The articles have been updated and now peer reviewed.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/26/health/wuhan-market-covid-19/index.html

    Notice that although the intermediate host of SARS-CoV-2 was probably located at the Wuhan wet market, nobody knows the original reservoir of the virus. But then again, it took more than a decade to find out the original host of SARS-CoV-1 with some certainty.

  100. Mark Hunter says: • Website
    @D. K.

    Timeline of events:

    October 7 – telephone activity in a high-security part of the Wuhan institute of Virology Inexplicably stops for about two weeks, suggesting the cover-up of a disaster, according to NBC News, London.

    October 2019 – American servicemen experience Covid-like symptoms at the Military World Games, held in Wuhan, according to a The Sun article.

    18 November 2019 – The first person comes down with Covid, according to the not-too-reliable Chinese, determined long after the outbreak was apparent.

    Late November – America’s Defense Intelligence Agency reports the Wuhan outbreak.

    • Replies: @Mark Hunter
  101. @WingsofADove

    You nail it WingsofADove!
    Great that Ron may uncover new forms of American responsibility for the bioweapon SARS COV 2.
    But terribly unfortunate that Ron is so clueless about:

    1) the fact that we already know our American tax dollars were used by our own government to illegally fund Gain of Function research. The USG is complicit even if Ron’s theory is wrong.

    2) the “vaccine” appears to be the real bioweapon

    and everything else WingsofADove said!

    Ron, do you ever answer these points? These points are collectively more important than whether our govt is as evil as you say. Of COURSE our government is that evil! In fact they and the Globalist Satanist are even more evil than you seem to be able to realize.

    • Thanks: WingsofADove
  102. If I were “a prominent national journalist” wanting to read the individual articles on your website, I would put on my “Groucho Marx” kit and pay a random stranger \$100 to print them out.

  103. @MGB

    As annoyed as I am with Ron for being clueless about some of the most important aspects of the Scamdemic – THANK YOU RON FOR KEEPING THIS SITE OPEN!!!!

    • Replies: @MGB
  104. Ron Unz says:
    @D. K.

    You must realize that Western intelligence operatives regularly use the British tabloids you quote to circulate stories to support their agendas, even those upon total fictions.

    Wuhan is a city of 11 million, 35% larger than NYC, and probably many thousands of Westerners live and work there. Do you seriously believe that it became a “ghost town” during October 2019 and absolutely no one in the world had noticed that shocking fact except a single visiting athlete quoted in a tabloid almost two years later?

    Given the extremely contagious nature of Covid, there’s absolutely zero chance that it was circulating among the military athletes participating in the Wuhan games during late October 2019. If any significant number had become infected, they would had carried the disease back to there home countries and large Covid epidemics would have begun there by late 2019, many months earlier than was the case.

    This ridiculous theory is more commonly circulated by pro-China propaganda-activists, who claim that Covid was widespread in America during mid-2019 because of a lab-leak at Ft. Detrick and then was carried to Wuhan by our military athletes. A section of one of my articles explained why that’s obvious nonsense:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/#promoting-a-ft-detrick-lab-leak-as-a-failure-of-nerve

    People have a tendency to lap-up whatever casual remarks or fictitious stories get inserted into the media, which was exactly how the hoax of Saddam’s WMDs was created. All sorts of mutually-contradictory stories claiming that a wave of Covid infections began in Wuhan during August or September or October or November in connection with the Wuhan lab have been promoted in the media, very likely by American Deep State operatives, and these became especially frequent after ABC News broke the story of the secret DIA report warning of the massive epidemic before it had actually begun.

    However, the best single Western eyewitness was Danielle Anderson, an experienced Australian virologist, who was actually working at the Wuhan lab during that time period. In an interview with Bloomberg, she said the safety conditions were outstanding, no one at the lab became ill with Covid-like symptoms, and she very much doubted there was any lab-leak or that Covid had been created there.

    I’d take her testimony over claims by anonymous intelligence sources very similar to those that promoted Saddam’s WMDs. Indeed, one of the striking things I noticed is that several of the key figures at the center of the Wuhan lab-leak story had previously been at the center of the Saddam WMD story two decades earlier.

    I read all the books produced by committed pro-Wuhan lab-leak journalists and none of their material was convincing. Some of the alleged facts you cite from those tabloid papers are so obviously fraudulent that they all excluded these from their texts. Here’s my review:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-confronting-covid-crimestop/

    Anyway, none of this would explain why the Covid virus almost immediately jumped from Wuhan 3,500 miles to the Holy City of Qom in Iran and infected so many of the Iranian political and religious elites just a few weeks after America had assassinated Iran’s top military commander.

    Here’s a link to my very lengthy article going through all of this information in exhaustive detail.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/

    For a quicker overview, just watch one or two of those video interviews, which are now pushing toward 900,000 total views. They were grouped at the bottom of my column and are also on this other page:

    https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/#podcast-interviews

    • Thanks: A B Coreopsis
    • Replies: @D. K.
  105. Ron Unz says:
    @D. K.

    Just to show I wasn’t kidding about the Iraqi WMDs connection, here’s a paragraph from one of my articles:

    This situation carried disturbing echoes of how those same mainstream media organs had played a similar role twenty years ago in fostering the hoax of Saddam’s WMD and promoting our disastrous Iraq War. Indeed, I found it rather ironic that one of the main Trump Administration Covid experts quoted in that article and others was David Feith, whose father Douglas Feith had been one of the leading Neocons involved in that notorious Bush Administration intelligence fraud. Moreover, the lead author of the front-page Wall Street Journal story that helped to revive the lab-leak theory in late May was Michael R. Gordon, who had previously shared a byline with Judith Miller on most of the fraudulent Iraqi WMD stories that had propelled us into war. And in early 2020, former Mossad agent Dany Shoham had been one of the earliest figures suggesting that Covid was a Chinese bioweapon leaked from the Wuhan lab, with few remembering that in 2001 he had falsely fingered Saddam’s regime as the source of the Anthrax mailings. It almost seemed that members of the old Iraqi WMD cast were reassembling for a revival.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/

    • Replies: @ImaBotKnot
    , @nsa
  106. @Jimmy1969

    Ron write something on CNBC and destroy their hypocrisy

    Or perhaps, since you seem to have 15 lines ‘ worth of information here which I for one have not heard about, you should write something instead – and send it to Ron with a request for publication here ?

    • Replies: @jimmy1969
  107. @Justrambling

    The Iran component is certainly one of those things that makes you go “hmmm,” but that isn’t the only thing that points to our best friend and only democracy in the Middle East as the one calling the shots for those “rogue elements of our own national security establishment.”

    When the outbreak was just getting started, remember, there were military games occurring in Wuhan. I happened to catch a Chinese-language sportscast from Taiwan in which the very animated sportcaster was going bananas over the USA’s poor showing at the games (something like 31st place overall). He just couldn’t believe the US could produce such a poor showing. I tended to agree, but then went back and checked and, in fact, we never do very well in those games for whatever reason. True, never that badly, but it wasn’t so fantastic as the Taiwanese sportscaster seemed to think it was. Anyway, he conjectured the poor showing had to do with the American team having Covid. But, here’s the interesting part. At the end of his broadcast, he did a hat tip to the sender of the email that had brought that angle of the story to his attention. The email was from someone in Israel and began with the word “RED.”

    So what is an Israeli doing sending emails to Chinese-language media making sure they get the connection between the American team and Covid?

    Ron theorizes that the bio-weapon, if such it was, was an economic weapon. I believe a much more plausible theory is that it was a shit-stirrer–a casus belli set spinning into the world. Inflaming hatreds and igniting wars is one of the things the Khazars who run Israel do best. Whether it’s the proletariat against the bourgeoisie, the blacks against the whites, the Russians against the Ukrainians, the Austrians against the Serbs, the Moors against the Spaniards, the Americans against the Germans, labor against management, always and everywhere there is the Khazar in the background whispering, let’s you and him fight.

    There was also the curious case of the Israeli pharmaceutical company in the first days of Covid announcing that it already had a vaccine. It was all over the news and then suddenly wasn’t–exactly like one of the moving parts had slipped out of its track and a few phone calls from higher up quickly put it back in place and shut down all media mention of it.

    One of the ancient antisemitic canards–i.e., historically factual accusation–against the Khazar Jews was that they poisoned wells. I can see the vaccines being exactly that on a global scale. Israel was one of the early leaders in getting its population vaccinated. We have no idea whether the vaccines the Israelis got and the ones everyone else got were the same vaccines.

  108. Oubok says:

    The article is obfuscasation, covid was a scam…nothing else really matters. All articles like this do is keep people debating a load of bollocks while not going after the shysters who implemented the demented convid rules and regulations.

    • Agree: Thor Walhovd, sulu
  109. Hoyeru says:
    @Dumbo

    you seem to not remember the famous saying: “Never let a good crisis go to waste.” Americans are super clever and they prepare 10 steps ahead, ALWAYS. Simple Game Theory. Look how cleverly they are gaming China right now with Peloshi. No matter what CHina does it loses: it doesnt do anything, it loses face, it does something, USA along with its “allies” and “partners” sanctions them to death and steals their trillions from Western banks.
    You did glimpse the truth and it stared you in the face when you said: The “fight against COVID” was what caused all the trouble.” Exactly! That WAS the real plan. Ruining the economy of the world and vaxxing the sheeple is what they were REALLY after. Covid was the red herring. So you answered your own question.

  110. Ron Unz says:
    @MarkU

    The idea that viruses, which are capable of jumping species, could be reliably restricted to one ethnic/genetic population group is dangerously insane.

    Actually, the notion of ethnically-targeted bioweapons has been around for many decades, though it’s not clear whether anyone has successfully developed them.

    For example, back in 1990s the London Times broke a big story that the Israelis had been trying for many years to develop bioweapons that would only target Arabs, but supposedly they hadn’t succeeded since the viruses also hit Sephardic Jews. I think the South Africans were also working on bioweapons targeting blacks. I’m sure if you hunt around on the Internet you can find references to some of these MSM stories.

    In the early days of the Covid outbreak in Wuhan, there were some indications that only Chinese or East Asians were vulnerable, and a writer at VDare published several articles making that case, which seemed somewhat persuasive. That obviously would have been a very strong indicator that it was a bioweapon. But just as I was starting to become convinced, the virus spread to Iran and then Italy, Spain, and other European countries, and the theory collapsed. That’s exactly why I try to be very careful and cautious in the articles I write.

    Because China suppressed the virus so effectively, probably 90-95% of fatalities worldwide have been of Caucasians, giving them a global per capita Covid death rate probably around 5,000% higher than Asians. For this reason, some people last year started speculating that whites were especially vulnerable to Covid. But once I tracked down the mortality data in California, which has a very large Asian population, Asians and whites of the same age seemed to have roughly similar fatality rates.

    Other people have noted that black African countries have had very low numbers of Covid deaths and therefore argue that Africans might be immune. But most countries in Sub-Saharan Africa don’t have functioning public health systems, so their Covid reporting is probably non-existent. South Africa is the one exception, and it’s reported a huge number of Covid deaths, about what you’d expect based upon the age distribution of its population. Also, American blacks have had very high levels of Covid deaths, probably due to their high obesity.

    Overall, there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that different racial/ethnic groups have substantially different Covid vulnerabilities. Maybe they do, but the differences are probably swamped by the age-skew vulnerability factor.

    So it’s very unlikely that Covid was a fancy genetically-targeted bioweapon. Instead, it was probably just an off-the-shelf, plain-vanilla low-fatality/high-communicability anti-economy bioweapon, just as that retired 40-year veteran of American biodefense suggested back in 2020:

    https://www.unz.com/article/was-coronavirus-a-biowarfare-attack-against-china/

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @A B Coreopsis
    , @dux.ie
    , @MarkU
  111. @Ron Unz

    Frankly, I’d never heard of anyone being fearful of buying some book on Amazon and it seemed ridiculous, but that’s what I was told by the person the journalist spoke with. Apparently, the concern was doing anything that would leave a trail. Probably some journalists are just more paranoid than others.

    Alternatively, this particular journalist could just be more stupid than others.

    My understanding of reporters is that, if nothing else, they are good at obtaining information by any means possible. Reporters misrepresent facts, mislead people, and concoct devious ways to get the story they are after all the time.

    Yet, this cretin can’t figure out a way to look at a book or a website anonymously?

    This chap cannot borrow someone’s phone or laptop for a few minutes (“Hey, my phone/laptop is busted, can I use yours?”) and wipe the browser history before giving it back? Places like e.g. public libraries do not have Internet-capable computers for public use? He cannot buy a crap, second-hand laptop for cash and use a coffee shop’s free wifi in a distant town?

    How hard can this be?

    Honestly, I have to wonder if this journalist’s “prominence” was earned, not by dint of cleverness and hard work, but by licking boots and kissing arses. Yes, I understand this person does not wish to be associated with the Intellectual Deviant and All-Round Naughty Person known as Ron Unz. However, I cannot bring myself to believe that any capable journalist would allow himself to be paralysed by fear in such a way.

    Has today’s journalism deteriorated to the point where someone’s career can be ended simply by his visiting the “wrong” website, or reading the “wrong” book, even in the course of research? That is the impression I have formed from all of this; I hope it is a mistaken one.

    • Replies: @TBA
  112. @Ilya G Poimandres

    “Russians are easy ginny pigs…”

    I must disagree with that I’m afraid. The ginny pigs are much more to be found in London. Russians are much more likely to be Voddy pigs.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  113. @Ron Unz

    People at the Pentagon in 2001

    Control F Feith

    https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CDIR-2001-12-07/pdf/CDIR-2001-12-07-DEPARTMENTS-3.pdf

    Download this but at this point even 9/11 and the Second Iraq war are just distractions as the New World Order has ITS way with the entire world…… remember they set up the economic crashes, and the wars, they want us all to fight each other world wide

  114. @Ferrari

    Some particular journalist in recent memory got in trouble for leaving a comment on VDARE or Amren (or possibly this site, I don’t totally recall the details). The comment actually defended left wing ideology and the person who wrote the comment got in trouble/bad personal press.

    I can’t remember the specifics of the situation though — but the example exists.

    Did the reporter use his real name when commenting? Was he on a company or a personal Internet connection? Is it likely this same trouble would have resulted had the journalist simply visited the website and left it at that?

    The devil is in the details. If anyone knows more about the specifics involved in this case, I would certainly like to hear them. I suppose it is possible that a reporter visiting a website using a company network might be singled out and censured for doing so. However, to my mind, visiting a site and commenting on a site are two different things.

    The former can be explained away (“I accidentally clicked on a link and…”). The latter, however, is deliberate and no one ever “accidentally” comments on a site.

    (I wonder if his getting busted moved him closer to a right-wing worldview?)

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  115. dimples says:
    @dimples

    In fact Mr Unz’s theory is completely immune to logic or criticism since any flaws in the theory are due to the perpetrators being classified in the theory as brain dead. So for example, the military games being the worst place to release the virus since the infected attendees will all return home and spread the virus around the world, whereas the supposed intention is to only infect China, is not relevant at all since the brain dead perpetrators were too stupid to think about this. Any irrationalities in the theory can thus be explained in the same way.

    • Replies: @gay troll
    , @Ron Unz
  116. The drug companies published publicly-available material safety data sheets on the jabs in 2020, disclosing in plain English that they would not prevent infection or transmission. I found and read them myself in November 2020 over the course of a few hours.

    It was the government public health agencies and the corporate media who lied to us from the very beginning, and they are still lying today.

    Lost my job of 24 years with the City of Portland because I would not take the jab. Grateful now to be gone, as I no longer work for a fascist totalitarian oligarchy of lies and endless wars (and the violently intolerant enablers of same). Sorry for all my friends and family who were brutally propagandized and submitted to the jab, and unlike the Don Lemon types I will not be cheering when they get sick or die, just because they find themselves on the other side of this greatest ever scam.

    • Thanks: geokat62, meamjojo, Emslander
  117. @Ron Unz

    Quite a large number of highly-regarded figures in mainstream American policy and journalistic circles are certainly aware of my hypothesis, and many of them privately regard my analysis as reasonably plausible. However, not a single one of these individuals has dared to publicly discuss it, with the topic remaining totally excluded from virtually all of the alternative media let alone its mainstream counterpart.

    Indeed, I have been reliably informed that a prominent national journalist wanted to obtain a copy of my recently published Covid book but was too fearful of buying it on Amazon, or even merely reading the individual articles on my website.

    How much of a people person do you consider yourself to be Ron? (I don’t claim to be a great one myself – whatever that somewhat jargonistic expression means to the coiners of it)
    You can be very rude, dismissive and vituperative, at least on UR threads. How likely is it that even not so timid creatures might feel it to be sensible to humour you?

    • LOL: sulu
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @A B Coreopsis
  118. D. K. says:
    @Ron Unz

    I posted quotes from real people (among others quoted in the linked articles) who, unlike you, were in the city and the event, back in October 2019, Mr. Unz. Your (typical) attempt to discredit them with negative generalities– “Oh, that paper is a front for Western intelligence, so the quotes are probably all made up, or simply bald-faced lies by the quoted parties; and, besides, those quoted athletes don’t have IQs over 200, like I do!– does not impress me. If you had gone on to law school, you would have learned that neither theories nor arguments are themselves evidence. Your theories are always long on overripe generalities and tortuous arguments, but short on factual evidence in support of your claims. I seriously doubt that you have won over, say, your own star blogger….

    As for your instant theory, it is ridiculous on the face of it that anyone would think that he could start a novel and deadly viral epidemic in a city of over 10 million residents, in a country of nearly one and a half billion people, in this day and age, yet not risk having it spread uncontrollably around the world, including to his own country, like many other such casually transmitted viral epidemics (e.g., the three worldwide pandemics during my own lifetime, to date). What is known now, despite the earlier lies of our public institutions, is that the United States Government supported gain-of-function research on just such viruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Unlike you, I do not trust the self-serving claims of integrity and propriety by a Wuhan-associated virologist who assures us that the Institute, in the autumn of 2019, was above and beyond reproach. I personally prefer to hear the first-hand account of Huang Yanling. When you locate her and procure an affidavit, Mr. Unz, do be sure to let us all know….

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  119. TKK says:
    @Desert Fox

    How can anyone dispute what you have written?

    If COVID-19 is a deadly virus that required our entire economy to grind to a halt, why have 2 million illegal immigrants been allowed entry with NO testing and NO vax? Flown to major urban centers, secretly and in full darkness: unvetted in any manner.

    When I would tell normies this- you realize you cannot see your mother in the hospital for her breast cancer, attend church, school, or a funeral – millions of foreigners were landing all over America daily with NO restrictions, NO quarantines …not even a temperature check….most responded with hostility as it was incredulous to them.

    But it was true.

    No one seemed to notice the little blurb I posted above- that all COVID-19 claims are being denied by insurance carriers for business interruptions. It is undisputed that a large swatch of small businesses could not survive the forced government shut downs. I would be interested to see the data regarding the racial breakdowns of the businesses that did not survive.

    I do know that blacks employed by state and federal governments received an email : “ROAD MAP TO RELIEF” explaining to them exactly how to get many forms of COVID 19 financial assistance, more broad than the stimulus checks and incredibly detailed. I never received any such guidance.

    Nor do I know any whites who did.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  120. Some lab, they created a virus that is identical to common cold and seasonal flu. Check the CDC’s own web site to compare the symptoms and morbidity. Just a PR scam.

    There is no Covid19. No need for the bad jabs, lock downs, etc.

    Screwing with the People around the globe, to show that it can be done without faking another world war.

    For Covid all nations suddenly became aligned and unipolar.

    Didn’t that strike anyone else as odd behavior?

  121. MGB says:
    @I'm Goygeous

    Agreed. There is a lot I don’t agree with here, but he does allow free space and sharp elbows. Something I appreciate as a recovering liberal.

  122. @Ron Unz

    You are remarkably tolerant of obsessive antivaxxers. But are you perhaps too tolerant – and too unquestioning – of your own idées fixes – to face up to the most plarsible alternative explanations to what you repeatedly refer to as “the smoking gun”?

    You might find it rewarding to listen to the whole of this long “Uncommon Knowledge” interview by Peter Robinson of the Hoover Institute because you will find former Attorney-,General Willsm Barr in remarkable agreement with you on the American media

    Watch “More Than “One Damn Thing,” with Bill Barr” on YouTube

    But my immediate point is to get you to consider what he says perhaps 90% of the way through about 30 intelligence people ganging up to damage Trump by falsely denying the validity of censored claims that Hunter Biden’s laptop’s hard drive had been found and read.

    Given that unimpeachable evidence about the intell community can you not bring yourself to address seriously the most obviously plausible alternative explanation for the alleged 5 Intel agents supposedly confirming to ABC News that a suspiciously dated Medical Intelligence report had been circulated so as to have been bound to have reached the White House. One curious supposed confirmation in Israel: not a problem when you have professional mates. Clearly lots of Intel people wanted Trump defeated. Not having acted on that alleged (but officially denied) report would be bad for Trump. QED? If not why not?

    • Agree: Dieter Kief
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  123. gay troll says:
    @dimples

    Yes, Unz’ is the Wile E. Coyote theory of germ warfare. Or maybe Pompey O. Coyote. Our national security apparatus is just that hilarious. Looking forward to our slapstick nuclear exchange with the Chicoms.

  124. @tiger_road

    ….the rather hyperactive US elite of the 2000’s.

    Hyperactive is the key word to identify the people who initiate many things or get involved in them with the enormous risk of causing suffering to all of us.

  125. @Jeff Davis

    A valuable comment that stirs me to make a suggestion to our host:

    The comments here seem increasingly to segregate themselves into (i) the serious and substantive; and the (ii) the snarky and abusive.

    Although there’s a mechanism to bypass specific contributors, the rate at which apparently new and rude comments are proliferating leads me to the suggestion that — without in any way removing this distracting detritus — such comments be “bracketed” with a notation to show that it has been deemed to be an impediment to the main lines of discussion and moved to another part of the site [sequestered with others of the same ilk].

    Reading the comments sequentially and suddenly coming across across a vituperative, vulgar or even graphic comment that contributes nothing of value to the discussion is more than tiresome and a downside of this admirable and essential site as it configured today.

    Must we all have the patience to endure, let alone admonish, as Mr Davis did, every nasty or moronic poster?

    • Disagree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Polemos
  126. @Ron Unz

    This seems a reasonable preliminary analysis based on what are necessarily incomplete and data from what should be a longitudinal study.

    However, it also seems entirely possible that the release of an ethnically-targeted pathogen was made without expectations that it would have complete effectiveness. Even a 60% rate of on target effects would result in major harm and would justify its introduction by a malicious agent.

  127. @JR Foley

    What are you talking about? Are you saying Spring Festival is in Autumn?!

  128. nsa says:
    @Ron Unz

    More accurately, Cheney and Crew would plant WMD stories with Jewess Miller in the paper of record with the full connivance of the JYTimes editors. Cheney would then cite his own planted fibs as proof and casus belli. This is a common practice wherever there is a so-called free press. Remember the Serbian rape camps, Kuwaiti babies ripped out of incubators and used as frisbees, Maddox attacked by commie kayaks, etc, etc? Works every time.

    • Agree: acementhead
  129. Chebyshev says:

    Thank you, Israeli intelligence, for confirming the existence of that November 2019 report.

  130. Ron Unz says:
    @Drive-by poster

    Did the reporter use his real name when commenting?…However, to my mind, visiting a site and commenting on a site are two different things.

    Exactly. As far as I know, virtually all the people who’ve been purged for this sort of thing have gotten into trouble because they left large numbers of comments on “controversial” websites, often with the comments themselves being very “controversial.” They’ve usually been doing this for years and either revealed their identities to various people whom they later quarreled with, or left so many details that a bitter on-line enemy could track them down.

    But I think that 95% of the purges you hear about are caused by someone sending out a “controversial” Tweet on his own Twitter account rather than doing anything anonymously.

    • Replies: @Drive-by poster
  131. Ron Unz says:
    @dimples

    In fact Mr Unz’s theory is completely immune to logic or criticism since any flaws in the theory are due to the perpetrators being classified in the theory as brain dead. So for example, the military games being the worst place to release the virus since the infected attendees will all return home and spread the virus around the world, whereas the supposed intention is to only infect China, is not relevant at all since the brain dead perpetrators were too stupid to think about this.

    No, you’re totally confused and obviously haven’t read a single one of my articles or watched any of my video interviews.

    https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/

    Releasing the virus at the Wuhan Military Games would have been just as stupid as you suggest, which is why nobody would have possibly done it and nobody did.

    However, the Military Games brought many thousands of foreign military servicemen to Wuhan, including 300 Americans. This provided a perfect opportunity to slip in a couple of American agents who then released the virus elsewhere in the city of Wuhan before they departed. The Huanan wet market might have been the site selected.

    There’s absolutely ZERO evidence that Covid was circulating among the participants at the Military Games, and very strong evidence that it wasn’t.

  132. Yee says:
    @D. K.

    And he described how Wuhan’s streets were ‘nearly empty’ when he went for a cycle ride in the city.

    ‘It was a ghost town,’ he said. ‘There were rumours that the government warned the inhabitants not to go out.’

    I never heard government warning people not to go out. Absolutely no news of business and other activities being disrupted in the city. Several open exams were held during that time. Either he went to a quiet part of town or lie.

    If athletes had flu symptom, it’s worth investigating. It’s more likely they get it from other athletes than from local people. I don’t see they had close contact with locals to catch disease.

    I don’t know the details of running sports events, but washing hands before eating is taught even in kindergartens. I’m not sure why is that so strange to you.

  133. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You can be very rude, dismissive and vituperative, at least on UR threads. How likely is it that even not so timid creatures might feel it to be sensible to humour you?

    Actually, I think I tend to be reasonably polite to people who warrant it, and that certainly includes the individuals to whom I’m describing.

    Presumably, you’re focusing on the treatment you yourself received, due to the endless pro-Ukraine/anti-Putin videos you kept shoving in my face, the ones claiming that Putin was seeking to reestablish the USSR and also currently dying of cancer, and you’ve emailed me many of them as well.

    Your problem is that you’re an extremely gullible individual, easily taken in by the most ridiculous nonsense. The best example is your effort to promote the theory that both JFK and RFK were each accidentally shot and killed by their own bodyguards. Other than you, I’m not sure there’s ever been anyone in the history of the world who has proposed such total nonsense.

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  134. Ron Unz says:
    @D. K.

    I posted quotes from real people

    I saw exactly one quote:

    One athlete from Luxembourg reported “nearly empty” streets in Wuhan during the games, recalling, “It was a ghost town”

    So a city much larger than NYC became a “ghost town” during October 2019 and the only evidence you can offer is a single phrase by a foreign visitor almost two years later.

    If in 2021 some Japanese tourist was quoted in some Japanese newspaper describing 2019 NYC in those terms, would you take that as proof that everyone had vanished in NYC during 2019?

    On the other issue, we know for an absolute fact that Covid wasn’t circulating among the thousands of military athletes at the Wuhan Games. The single most important fact about Covid is that it’s ultra, ultra contagious. Most of the huge outbreaks in the countries of Europe were traced to one or two infected individuals. If any of the athletes at the Games had been infected, they would have quickly spread it to hundreds of other athletes, and all their countries would have had huge outbreaks a month or two after they returned home.

    No such outbreaks occurred, so we can be sure that none of the athletes actually had Covid.

  135. denk says:

    covid , Ukraine was the one two punch to ‘reset’ world economy, get rid of the useless eaters, asset strip the third world.

    All these engineered pandemic, fuel crunch, food crisis, hyper inflation…

    cui bono,. ?

    MIC, big pharma, big oil, Big Agri, WARst...

    Who suffers ?
    The useless eaters at home,
    third world countries bankrupted by hyper inflation, at the tender mercy of IMF, Black rock..

    Sri Lanka first to bite the dust, more to follow….

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-capitalism-friedrich-boris/5785964

  136. Pixo says:
    @D. K.

    “ not risk having it spread uncontrollably around the world, including to his own country”

    It was common knowledge in Jan 2020 that China was better at containing respiratory epidemics. They have them more often due to higher population density and poorer hygiene, and have a lot of experience with their successful containment. They mask up when the government tells them to, and often without. The government also is more willing to lock down cities and regions.

  137. meamjojo says:
    @Ron Unz

    “The single most important fact about Covid is that it’s ultra, ultra contagious.”

    I am not sure about that. I went almost 2 full years, unvaxxed and doing nothing notable to prevent Covid w/o getting it. I shopped at stores regularly, worked out at the gym when it was open, visited a few friends, wore my mask below my nose and loose, etc.

    I finally caught it (Omicron I am assuming) when I went into Stanford hospital for elective surgery early Feb 2022. Over it in a week with a mild cough that lingered for a month). Since then, I again do nothing special to avoid reinfection and remain uber healthy at 70yo.

    I think Covid WAS something that was being experimented on and got released from the lab. Whether accidentally or on purpose is the open question. The fact that crap like this is being worked on and has been supported by the NIH and other agencies is why Fauci should be sent to prison for his remaining years.

  138. Cookie says:

    If you wanted to release a virus to a particular economic cohort of the population…the ones who do the work…then a major industrial cities food market is about right, you pick up some food for closer inspection…maybe wearing infected gloves, you do it a number of times to give the best chance of spread…the math would of been done.

    If you wanted a world spread then an international airport would of been the target, maybe touching toilet doors or luggage trolleys.

  139. There was no malice at Chernobyl. The whole thing was human error committed by low-level people. If Ron Unz is right about this, then it was all about malice, and at high levels.

    “Covid” aside, the US is objectively the worst regime there has ever been. Not even the Khmer Rouge was as genocidal toward the nation’s core population as ZOG is toward Americans.

  140. dux.ie says:
    @Ron Unz

    > But once I tracked down the mortality data in California, which has a very large Asian population, Asians and whites of the same age seemed to have roughly similar fatality rates.

    You do realize that AsianAmerican is a very diverse group in US? Owing to the different genetics there are vastly different COVID mortality rate between East Asian and South Asian. The results are very obvious in UK as Asian British are mostly from South Asia. Read the paper,

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41588-021-00955-3
    Identification of LZTFL1 as a candidate effector gene at a COVID-19 risk locus
    Additionally, the risk variants at this locus are carried by >60% of individuals with South Asian ancestry (SAS), compared to 15% of European ancestry (EUR) groups, partially explaining the ongoing higher death rate in this population in the UK.

    The mutation affects the functioning of the lung and the patients usually need mechanical ventilators. SouthAsian have high percentage of the COVID succeptable mutation rs17713054A, geno AA is virtually absent in EastAsian and European populations but exists at 9.4% in the Indian population. The distribution of the lesser mutation geno AG in SAS, EUR and EAS are 40.3%, 16.1% and 1% respectively. Thus Indian could be about 40x and European 16x more succeptable to COVID death than Chinese.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  141. @Ron Unz

    A lizard posing as a wizard.

    • LOL: Commentator Mike
  142. D. K. says:
    @Ron Unz

    “I saw exactly one quote…”

    How is it that a Harvard-educated theoretical physicist and self-declared super-genius, who reputedly claimed on his resumes (as he has here on his eponymous Web site) that he has an IQ of just over 200 (i.e., c. seven standard deviations above the American average) cannot count beyond one?

    To repeat, in part, from my original comment, supra:

    [MORE]

    ***

    Italian fencer Matteo Tagliariol also said everyone in his Wuhan apartment fell ill with ‘symptoms that looked like those of Covid-19’, which later spread to the 37-year-old’s son and girlfriend. [first quote]

    Oliver Gorges, a triathlete from Luxembourg, said he also suffered flu-like symptoms.

    And he described how Wuhan’s streets were ‘nearly empty’ when he went for a cycle ride in the city. [second quote]

    ‘It was a ghost town,’ he said. ‘There were rumours that the government warned the inhabitants not to go out.’ [third and fourth quotes]

    Gorges, 22, said he had his temperature recorded on arrival at the airport, while athletes were forced to wash their hands every time they entered the canteen and were ordered not to take food out of the premises.

    ‘It was strange,’ he added. [fifth quote]

    ***

    Those were just the directly attributed quotes, in the small extract that I originally posted above. As I also noted above, more recently, there were other athletes quoted in the linked article (that you either failed to read or now fail to remember). Here, in context, are the other direct quotations from that one article (of many such articles available to us all, online, on the same topic):

    ***

    Multiple athletes have also described contracting similar symptoms during the games.

    Jacqueline Bock, part of the German volleyball team, told The Mail on Sunday last year how she and her colleagues contracted something similar to Covid-19 at the event in the city.

    ‘After a few days, some athletes from my team got ill,’ she said. I got sick in the last two days.’

    Miss Bock’s father also became ill a few weeks after her return.

    ‘I have never felt so sick,’ she said. ‘Either it was a very bad cold or Covid-19. I think it was Covid-19.’

    French pentathlete Elodie Clouvel, 31, claimed she and her 27-year-old partner Valentin Belaud contracted the virus at the Games.

    [My repeated extract, herein, followed the above extract in the linked article.]

    ***

    “So a city much larger than NYC became a ‘ghost town’ during October 2019 and the only evidence you can offer is a single phrase by a foreign visitor almost two years later.

    “If in 2021 some Japanese tourist was quoted in some Japanese newspaper describing 2019 NYC in those terms, would you take that as proof that everyone had vanished in NYC during 2019?”

    The several athletes quoted in the article, well under two years later, were in the city and the Games, and were reporting what they had seen and experienced– including an entire apartment of athletes coming down with symptoms that were believed, in retrospect, to be Covid-19. Your notion that none of those military athletes is a credible source, let alone collectively credible about their similar Games experiences, comparing them all to a hypothetical and anonymous Japanese tourist who had traveled to New York, is standard operating procedure for your flights of fancy: actual witnesses, on the record, are dismissed out of hand for being inconsistent with your own theories, while you expect your readers to swallow whole your own evidence-free speculations about what “likely” happened, based upon your own subjective appreciation of the supposed gestalt of “how the real world really works.”

    “On the other issue, we know for an absolute fact that Covid wasn’t circulating among the thousands of military athletes at the Wuhan Games. The single most important fact about Covid is that it’s ultra, ultra contagious. Most of the huge outbreaks in the countries of Europe were traced to one or two infected individuals. If any of the athletes at the Games had been infected, they would have quickly spread it to hundreds of other athletes, and all their countries would have had huge outbreaks a month or two after they returned home.

    “No such outbreaks occurred, so we can be sure that none of the athletes actually had Covid.”

    You are so full of ‘it, you reek! The only reason that we have only the witnesses’ own recollections and speculations about Covid-19 is because their governments did not study their cases and test for Covid antibodies, after the Chinese had belatedly admitted that an epidemic had broken out in Wuhan.

    Here is an excerpt from a recent column (6/18/22) by Jeffrey Tucker of the Brownstone Institute on this very issue:

    ***

    So far there have been no deep investigations into the question. US personnel were never tested. But the fact of widespread sickness after the games was well known by everyone who was there, and this was true in most countries. Doctors examining patients at the time described it as a “bad cold” but the symptoms they reported are unmistakably Covid, of the most severe variety (“wild type”), lasting many weeks with long recovery periods.

    . . .

    Another telling sign that everyone noticed upon arrival in Wuhan in October: the city was empty. The highways had no cars. The retail shops were closed. No one was on the streets. For a city of 11 million, this was spooky. The CCP bragged that they had cleared out the city to make life special for the athletes but it was clearly a first sign of lockdown.

    ***

    https://brownstone.org/articles/at-the-military-olympics-october-2019-wuhan-china-athletes-caught-covid/

    Mr. Tucker then quoted at length from a June 2021 column in “The Washington Post”:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/23/congress-wuhan-military-games-2019-covid/

    Tucker then quoted from a minority (GOP) report for the House Foreign Affairs Committee:

    ***

    During the games, many of the international athletes became sick with what now appear to be symptoms of COVID-19. In one interview, an athlete from Luxembourg described Wuhan as a “ghost town,” and recalls having his temperature taken upon arriving at the city’s airport. In an interview with The Financial Post, a Canadian newspaper, one member of the Canadian Armed Forces who participated in the games said (emphasis added):

    “This was a city of 15 million people that was in lockdown. It was strange, but we were told this was to make it easy for the Games’ participants to get around. [I got] very sick 12 days after we arrived, with fever, chills, vomiting, insomnia…. On our flight to come home, 60 Canadian athletes on the flight were put in isolation [at the back of the plane] for the 12-hour flight. We were sick with symptoms ranging from coughs to diarrhea and in between.”

    The service member also revealed his family members became ill as his symptoms increased, a development that is consistent with both human-to-human transmission of a viral infection and COVID-19. Similar claims about COVID-19 like symptoms have been made by athletes from Germany, France, Italy, and Sweden.

    [footnotes deleted]

    ***

    https://gop-foreignaffairs.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/ORIGINS-OF-COVID-19-REPORT.pdf

    Your beloved Chinese Communist Party bragged about largely shutting the city down during the Games that October! So much for “a single phrase from a foreign visitor….” Likewise, so much for “No such outbreaks occurred, so we can be sure that none of the athletes actually had Covid.”

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Polemos
  143. @Curle

    Gordon Brown didn’t ‘insult’ the crone. He accurately described her, but with a microphone about. Politicians should tell bigots that they are bigots, otherwise standards inevitably descend.

    • Replies: @Curle
    , @JM
  144. @Wizard of Oz

    Worse, by far, than ‘obsessive anti-vaxxers’ are dogmatic vaccine fanatics. This type, in which I include you, lied, or were hideously misinformed, about the efficacy of the ‘vaccines’. Remember when the Imperial Party Line was that you would not get infected, or pass it on to others, if vaccinated?
    Remember how your comrades said one or two shots and you’d be immune for life? Remember how they said that the mRNA injections were ‘fully tested and safe’? Remember how they said that if you had had your umpteenth ‘boosters’ that, at least, you’d be protected from serious disease and death? Remember how they repressed knowledge of the serious side-effects of the vaccines as they became known? Remember how they lied about and slandered highly effective and safe medications like ivermectin in order to force people to be vaccinated?
    And, most of all, given our glorious ‘Rules Based’ Empire, remember how the Nuremberg Laws, Helsinki Accords and UNESCO declaration on medical bio-ethics, all of which outlaw forced medical treatment, were flushed down the toilet so that vaccination could be made ‘mandatory’. Surely you remember all that malfeasance and malevolence?

  145. @D. K.

    Does Huang Yanling even exist? I only see the usual lying Sinophobe agit-prop peddled by race-hating bigots like you. Why don’t you crawl back under your rock.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  146. @Ron Unz

    Really Ron you are coming across now as a deranged crank ,-and a very gullible one – who has raised by this reply the poddibilities that
    1. You are morally adrift as it is hard to believe the untrue statements you repeatedly make about what I have contributed on the deaths of JFK and RFK after I have repeatedly dealt with your falsehoods have slipped your mind

    2 you are suffering from early onset dementia (sadly not unusual: one of Australia’s most dynamic public servants has has to give up his retirement consultancy in his early 70s because of it and an extraordinary number of Rhodes Scholars who became Chief Justuces, Court if Aopeal Judges and Attorneys-General, all known to me, have started their rapid declines in their early 70s.)

    3 You have a personality flaw which either makes you cling to felt certainties or makes you unwilling to confront the possibility of error.

    Of course I don’t care a damn about your rudeness to me. Even 20 years ago it merely amused me when you gratuitously called me “naive”. You are very rude to many commenters and no doubt it us a help to let off steam when you work so hard for negligible reward.
    But if you still want to be taken seriously beyond the lunatic fringe who are 90% of your commenters you really do need to address heavy weight arguments such as William Barr’s statements about the intelligence apparatchiks allow to be mounted against your “smoking gun”

    On a couple of specifics: When someone makes such a fool of himself as to treat Scott Ritter and Larry C. Johnson as authorities on Ukraine and Putin’s war it is hard to know just how insouciantly ignorant you have been on Ukraine and Russia and what might get through and inform you it’s better. I note BTW that you don’t seem to make anything of Mearsheimer’s reasons for advocating that Ukraine keep its nuclear weapons despite the respect you accord to your fellow prophet without honour in his own country. Why? The logic seems clear enough.

    I do not think that Putin wants to re-establish the Sovirt Union. (Fwiw I think a reuniting of all territories with substantial Russian speaking populations (and Little Russia as he tendentiously calls all Ukraine is the legacy he appears to want, if not a Czarist extension to Poland.).

    I believe I did once, early on, try to help you fill out the picture I presumed you would want to get right by sending some detailed but unconfirmed stories of Puin’s medical condition. So what? I hope that has meant that you have kept in mind that Putin’s health, quite often speculated about, could be important.

    I have had the advantage of being well informed about Ukraine by someone whose potential biases I keep in mind and question. You seem incapable of intellectual detachment. A pity. And your politeness to people whom the amazingly trivial point you chose to latch on to focuses allows more than one explsnation for ehat they say to you. They could even be occasional readers of UR w who observe the vituperation you are capable of and see no reason to take rusks with a publisher who can do them no good.

    Good luck with Jeffrey Sachs. Are you in touch with him? He would surely give such a rightly famous Harvard alumnus the time if day, If not why not?

  147. @Ron Unz

    So a city much larger than NYC became a “ghost town” during October 2019 and the only evidence you can offer is a single phrase by a foreign visitor almost two years later.

    I’m not really joining this discussion, but, for the sake of verity, this story is from mid-2020. The same Daily Mail covered it a year earlier than the 2021 piece linked to by commenter D.K.. And there were more than one ahtlete who said they (and others) had fallen ill.

    Why DID so many athletes fall sick in Wuhan in October? More competitors reveal they were ill at the World Military Games months before China admitted coronavirus could be passed between humans
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8327047/More-competitors-reveal-ill-World-Military-Games.html

    In January 2022, one anonymous athlete from Canada is allegedly still convinced he had caught Covid-19 in Wuhan and, also allegedly, was still suffering its aftereffects:
    REVEALED: Canadian military officer calls for a probe into a ground zero ‘Covid’ outbreak at Wuhan forces games TWO MONTHS before world was alerted to the ‘mysterious new illness’
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10382127/Canadian-military-officer-calls-probe-ground-zero-Covid-outbreak-Wuhan-games.html

  148. @Ron Unz

    You are losing it Ron. A couple of own goals here.

    On the other issue, we know for an absolute fact that Covid wasn’t circulating among the thousands of military athletes at the Wuhan Games.

    Maybe I’ve missed the evidence. But perhaps you are neglecting the fact that fit young athletes may have been very little affected.

    The single most important fact about Covid is that it’s ultra, ultra contagious. Most of the huge outbreaks in the countries of Europe were traced to one or two infected individuals. If any of the athletes at the Games had been infected, they would have quickly spread it to hundreds of other athletes and all their countries would have had huge outbreaks a month or two after they returned home.

    Exactly my point about the Iranian outbreak for which I have hypothesised a superspreader and you have now mentioned “one or two infected individuals”. So, strike out Iranian cases of Covid from your conspiracy theory too.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  149. @Ron Unz

    Exactly. As far as I know, virtually all the people who’ve been purged for this sort of thing have gotten into trouble because they left large numbers of comments on “controversial” websites, often with the comments themselves being very “controversial.” They’ve usually been doing this for years and either revealed their identities to various people whom they later quarreled with, or left so many details that a bitter on-line enemy could track them down.

    Perhaps I am alone in this, but I am often amazed (and sometimes appalled) by what people will say on a medium that, in practical terms, retains what they say forever. People who are now in their twenties and thirties have never known a world in which the Internet did not exist, yet, somehow, they seem to have a more poorly developed sense of restraint than older people.

    Has anyone ever actually looked to see whether an inverse correlation exists between age and Internet indiscretion?

    What I mean is: younger people seem to be more apt to say whatever comes into their heads online. It is my belief (and it is only a belief; I have no numbers to back it up) that older people who have seen the Internet evolve over the past three decades have seen it go from being a fairly free and welcoming place to the noisy, angst-producing cash machine it is today.

    Experiencing this change firsthand and being old enough to understand what they were seeing has, I think, allowed them to develop a better appreciation for the fact that the Internet Never Forgets, and they express themselves online accordingly.

    I am afraid that the Internet is, for younger people, much like water is for fish: a fish must first understand what water is in order to develop a respect for it. Alas, being a fish, this is nearly impossible because they have never known anything else.

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  150. Ron Unz says:
    @dux.ie

    You do realize that AsianAmerican is a very diverse group in US? Owing to the different genetics there are vastly different COVID mortality rate between East Asian and South Asian.

    Sure, but I think something like 80% of the Asians in California are East Asians rather than South Asians.

    The mutation affects the functioning of the lung and the patients usually need mechanical ventilators. SouthAsian have high percentage of the COVID succeptable mutation rs17713054A

    That’s an interesting factor. But early in 2020, there were other academic articles noting that East Asians had much higher concentrations of the ACE2 sites, therefore making them especially vulnerable to Covid. So there seem to be all sorts of conflicting biological factors, and we should focus on the empirical evidence.

    Also, the death rate among Chinese during the initial Wuhan outbreak was very high, certainly far above 1%, which is why the world was so extremely concerned. Given that very high initial death rate, it seems unlikely that East Asians are much less vulnerable than Caucasians.

    • Replies: @dux.ie
    , @dux.ie
  151. Ron Unz says:
    @D. K.

    You seem to be confusing two separate issues.

    (1) There was one fellow from Luxembourg quoted two years later as describing Wuhan as a “ghost town.”

    (2) There were several participants who believed that they’d become infected with Covid during the Military Games.

    However, (2) seems medically impossible. Given the extremely contagious nature of the disease, they almost certainly would have spread it to large numbers of other athletes, later producing huge outbreaks in their own countries after they returned home. Not a single such outbreak occurred anywhere in the world during late 2019, therefore they weren’t infected.

    As for your claims that I regularly go around bragging about my IQ on this website or elsewhere, perhaps you can find a single example of this. Try long and hard and take all the time you need.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  152. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    When someone makes such a fool of himself as to treat Scott Ritter and Larry C. Johnson as authorities on Ukraine and Putin’s war it is hard to know just how insouciantly ignorant you have been on Ukraine and Russia and what might get through and inform you it’s better….Mearsheimer…Jeffrey Sachs.

    Look, this isn’t a Russia-Ukraine thread, but I’d certainly take the views of top national security experts such as John Mearsheimer, Ray McGovern, Douglas Macgregor, Jack Matlock, Stephen Cohen, Scott Ritter, and Larry Johnson over those stupid Neocons whose stupid videos you’re endlessly promoting.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  153. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Maybe I’ve missed the evidence. But perhaps you are neglecting the fact that fit young athletes may have been very little affected.

    As usual, you’re totally confused. Those fit young athletes certainly wouldn’t have become seriously ill from Covid if they’d been infected at the Wuhan Military Games in late October 2019. But they would have still been contagious, and given the nature of Covid, they would have spread the disease in their own countries once they returned home a few days later. So if the virus had been circulating among the athletes, there would have been numerous Covid outbreaks all across the world by late 2019. Not a single such outbreak occurred, so we can be sure that the athletes weren’t infected.

    Exactly my point about the Iranian outbreak for which I have hypothesised a superspreader and you have now mentioned “one or two infected individuals”. So, strike out Iranian cases of Covid from your conspiracy theory too.

    There’s a difference between something being possible and something being plausible.

    It’s absolutely possible that the a single super-spreader happened to carry Covid from Wuhan in China to immediately Iran’s political elites in the Holy City of Qom, despite almost no Chinese living there, and coincidentally right after America had assassinated Iran’s top military commander. But it seems extremely unlikely that among all the cities in the world, Qom would be the second one hit by Covid after Wuhan.

    Similarly, it’s possible that both JFK and RFK were each accidentally shot and killed by their own bodyguards. But although you’ve promoted that theory on this website, it seems extremely implausible to me.

  154. JackOH says:
    @Drive-by poster

    Drive-by, interesting points. I’m an old-timer, and my computer knowledge is minimal. I have very mixed feelings about computers, the Web, all that.

    I occasionally overhear students at my local Podunk Tech talking in what seems to me an unduly breezy way about bad computer experiences. Or, at least to my mind they’re bad experiences. They sent a term paper to “the cloud”—and couldn’t retrieve it. They received a bill for an online purchase, and couldn’t understand the charges on the statement, and there was no one there to help. There are other examples of unexplained insouciance that don’t come readily to mind.

    If the students have accustomed themselves to not getting angry about things about which to my mind they ought to be angry, maybe they’ve by default adopted a devil-may-care attitude toward posting as they please without a second thought. Just a thought. I’d agree there’s a sort of generational difference in how we view computers and the Web.

    • Replies: @Drive-by poster
  155. jimmy1969 says:
    @Dave Bowman

    Not my game but if I wanted to write some, and polish them up a few times like I did during 9 years of ivy league University, mine would be better than 99% on here.

  156. Andreas says:

    Quite a large number of highly-regarded figures in mainstream American policy and journalistic circles are certainly aware of my hypothesis, and many of them privately regard my analysis as reasonably plausible. However, not a single one of these individuals has dared to publicly discuss it, with the topic remaining totally excluded from virtually all of the alternative media let alone its mainstream counterpart.

    This should not be a surprise. The American bio-weapons theory as it stands now is shaky. Its claims rest entirely on circumstantial evidence. For each claim, a likelier alternative explanation exists. That reduces the probability of each claim further. Taken in conjunction, the probability of all these claims being true at the same time is, therefore, exceptionally small.

    The theory could be strengthened by simply replacing the cartoonish “rogue elements” with “Deep State”. The mainstream elements of the US government have repeatedly shown over its history that they are already quite capable of carrying out what are by any objective measure depraved acts of psychopathic evil. By parsimony, there is no need to postulate some new entity when an existing entity will suffice.

    I suspect such a conceptual replacement has already been made; not in print, but quietly in the cognitive realm. It is one thing to accuse rogue elements of an unauthorized bio-weapons attack. It is quite another to accuse the US government publicly of directly perpetrating such an attack.

    So let “rogue elements” be “Deep State”. Only then do things become more plausible.

    There is still the problem of blow-back. The risk is too high. Such risks are taken only when the alternative is certain to be worse. Unanswered is exactly what was so dire as to warrant the virtual certainty of blow-back. The survivors of an infantry platoon who were about to be overrun and who called an artillery strike on their own position can at least point to the bodies of fallen attackers to justify their decision despite their own losses. Surely, after over two years, some evidence of some dire threat would have emerged. Yet, there seemingly is none.

    Journalists are not coming forth. There are too many logical inconsistencies and not enough real evidence.

    • Disagree: Mark Hunter
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    , @Ron Unz
  157. There have been so many lies about Coivd-19 and the vaccines that it is hard to get to the bottom of what is the truth. Look at this Biden getting Covid-19 again just after he had it a few weeks earlier. The medical authorities were spreading the lie that if you recovered from Covid-19 you had natural immunity for a certain time, and you can even use a medical certificate showing that you had recently recovered from Covid-19 in lieu of a PCR test or vaccination certificate to gain access to some countries and venues. The case of Biden shows that those claims were BS and that people who had recovered from Covid-19 may have got it again and spread it to places they gained access to based on those medical certificates.

    Of course the concern is that they’ll say that each time these people get Covid-19 that it is a new variant and that you need vaccines for each and every variant as it comes up so that you may end up getting pumped endlessly with new vaccines for hundreds or even thousands of variants, because each vaccine they produce will be a failure as people will still get Covid-19 regardless of the claims of the vaccine developers. This would be a nightmare scenario where you will have to get vaccinated at ever more frequent intervals requiring updates of your vaccination certificates, much more frequently than these Microsoft software updates but courtesy of the same guy who found a new way to make money offering vaccine updates/patches.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  158. @Wizard of Oz

    When someone makes such a fool of himself as to treat Scott Ritter and Larry C. Johnson as authorities on Ukraine and Putin’s war it is hard to know just how insouciantly ignorant you have been on Ukraine and Russia and what might get through and inform you it’s better.

    I think you better check the dictionary definition of “insouciant” as you have used it incorrectly in this context. Nowhere has Ron Unz expressed that he is calm and untroubled; carefree; indifferent; free from concern, worry, or anxiety; or nonchalant on Ukraine and Russia – it’s just that his concerns are different from those of yourself, and you expect everybody to accept your point of view as the only valid one. And he is certainly not ignorant of the issues involved as he publishes many articles on the subject by different authors and partakes in the discussions with knowledgeable comments and references to various media presentations, but it is just that you don’t like his references and citations. You are increasingly becoming a pest on UR threads, especially with your persistent absurd, meaningless, and pointless questioning.

    Perhaps you suffer from an extreme case of solipsism, and the definition I’m implying is “extreme preoccupation with and indulgence of one’s feelings, desires, etc.; egoistic self-absorption”.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  159. @TKK

    You are correct that illegal immigrants are allowed across borders with no controls to spread their diseases but regular law abiding citizen travellers are not. This is just one of many many absurdities and insanities of the ZOG NWO. But it doesn’t prove either way if Covid-19 exists or not. It is important to keep pointing the absurdities as you do, like so many others such as vaccines not working, frequent recurrent infections as in the case of Biden, etc.

  160. CBB says:
    @Horus

    The patents go back to 1999. Dr. David Martin has done much longer analyses of the patent record, but here’s a summary in seven minutes:

    https://ugetube.com/watch/did-you-know-that-coronavirus-was-patented-david-e-martin-phd_k2CzUIByC4M2QHK.html

    There are of course more than just the two possibilities for the lab origin of Covid: (1) The U.S. did it, or (2) the Chinese did it. How about the World Economic Forum globalists did it? The WEF (essentially the hundred largest global corporations and the governments they control) loves China, loves its social credit system and how it has complete control of its population. They want the same for themselves, and have been planning at least since Darwin and Galton to get it. Remember when the Washington Post ran an editorial hoping that Xi Jinping might “save us” from Trump? That was the WEF position. It’s not a war of China versus the U.S. It’s the globalists (Klaus Schwab, Prince Charles, Bill Gates, Larry Fink, George Soros et al) controlling the U.S. and China against everyone else. Think it was an accident that Gates bought up control of WHO, CDC, etc. and invested heavily in vaccines prior to the outbreak? Think it was coincidental that Gates, the WEF, and Johns Hopkins held Event 201 in October 2019 to “war game” how they’d control the media during a mock coronavirus outbreak (like the one just starting no more than a month later)? That Gates and his associate Jeffrey Epstein were blackmailing not just politicians but also scientists?

  161. @mulga mumblebrain

    Nope, as I am not any kind of active pro vaxxer, I didn’t interest myself in those things and know little or nothing about them. Come to think of it nearly a year ago I suggested my younger relations should hold off bring vaccinated with mRNA vaccines until more was known about them. I have had vaccinations a my life and just went with the flow ,2 Astra Zeneca. 1 Pfizer, 1 bout of Covid and 1 Moderna.

  162. @Ron Unz

    Which neocons that I am “endlessly promoting” and of whom you, completely anschronistically, claim to know what irrational biases they held decades ago and presume that they hold now? Anne Applebaum , better educated than you and married to an upper class Pole? An attractive young woman called IIRC Julia Joffe.? And what gives with this obsessive nonsense about the Kennedys that you trot out for the umpteenth time in your next reply to me. It’s bizarre .

    Still if you can go on boosting your ridiculous very mixed assortment of “top national security experts” I suppose you could probably meet the loyalty requirements for a job in the next Trump Administration. But why not face the fact that Mearsheimer has called Putin a thug and anticipated that Russia would invade nearly 20 years ago and try to tell us what you think he’s right about for decision making NOW. Do you and he really think it doesn’t matter if the US/NATO is seen to be defeated now? Even that it doesn’t matter to America?

    Also, you noticed that I had referred to Jeffrey Sachs. Let me be quite explicit. If you are a serious person who seriously wants to do good things for your country as your record suggests you should have contacted Sachs already to coordinate whatever aims you may agree you have in common and determine where you may have to agree to differ. In the unlikely event that he would take more than a few seconds to remember who you are and quite a lot about you it is inconceivable that you can’t find a suitable intermediary to prompt him. Or is that beneath your dignity? Must he come by Zoom to you waving a printed out copy of your article featuring him?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Iris
  163. @Ron Unz

    I thought it was common knowledge that at least one Ayatollah had met some of the few Chinese pilgrims at Qom and it is on that basis that I see no reason to doubt that your description of “one infected person” being responsible for multiple infections is more than plausibly applicable. I can’t see how you could doubt it. If you now want to argue that no Ayatollah met any pilgrim from China hen that is to open up a new front

    As to te infections of military people at the Wuhan games I think other commebters have shown up your understandable failure to cover all sources. It seems that there is good reason to follow up the many complaints of illness amongst athletes and their fanilies, though it may be too late unlessfamilum some died soon after the games before living body processes could destroy the evidence. One line of research would be to look at the medical records of the athletes and their families and close contacts with a view to picking up evidence od what may have been Covid though not diagnosed as such.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  164. MarkU says:
    @Ron Unz

    Actually, the notion of ethnically-targeted bioweapons has been around for many decades, though it’s not clear whether anyone has successfully developed them.

    I am perfectly well aware that the idea of ethnically-targeted bioweapons has been around a long time and I’m sure that some deluded psychopaths have already tried to turn it into a reality. I am still of the opinion that it is an extremely dangerous thing to attempt and the idea that it could be reliably restricted to one ethnic group is risible.

    In the early days of the Covid outbreak in Wuhan, there were some indications that only Chinese or East Asians were vulnerable, and a writer at VDare published several articles making that case, which seemed somewhat persuasive. That obviously would have been a very strong indicator that it was a bioweapon.

    I did actually wonder about that myself in the early days of Covid, the fact that it ended up being equally dangerous to just about everyone would be no surprise to me, even if it was intended to be ethnically specific. It seems intuitively obvious that sooner or later a mutation would arise which would enable it to infect other ethnic groups, this is particularly true of RNA viruses because of their high mutation rate. Attempting to use an RNA virus as an ethnically-targeted bioweapon would be particularly stupid for that reason alone. Sadly, the fact that something is inherently stupid is not a reliable inference that our deluded overlords wouldn’t try it.

    • Replies: @China Silence
  165. @Commentator Mike

    The medical authorities were spreading the lie that if you recovered from Covid-19 you had natural immunity for a certain time…

    It probably speaks to the competence of the particular “medical authorities” giving that advice, and whatever narrative they might be promoting.

    It should go without saying that (as confirmed by numerous studies around the world) catching and recovering from the alleged “deadly” Corona Chan just once confers robust and enduring immunity to all strains of Corona Chan.

    However, and meanwhile, a cursory glance at data published by various governments across the Western world shows fairly clearly that it’s the “vaccinated” who are filling hospitals and dying in droves, allegedly from the “deadly” Corona Chan.

    That’s quite understandable in the context of the immune system destruction (ADE, VAIDS, etc) caused by successive injection with the fake “vaccines”, not to mention the various other vectors by which these poisonous injections cause harm to their recipients (myocarfitis, pericarditis, shingles, and about 1,500 other serious adverse effects disclosed in Pfizer’s own documents). Just take a look at what’s been growing inside the “Sudden Adult Death Syndrome” victims (all “vaccinated”, of course)…

    (https://www.bitchute.com/video/1HB9FlTE3EAf/ ]

    … getting back to the subject, given the info now readily available, it’s not unreasonable to suspect the “vaccinated” keep on “testing positive” for Corona Chan because (being “vaccinated”) they no longer have the capacity to develop natural immunity to the alleged “deadly” Corona Chan bug (or most any other bug).

    An alternative proposition is that the Rapid Antigen Tests, which have been calibrated to “detect” the infamous “spike protein”, are throwing a positive result each time they get used on anyone whose blood is teeming with that very same “spike protein” injected with the fake “vaccines”. Ergo, it’s the “vaccinated” who will test “positive”, over and over and over again.

    Just saying.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  166. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Which neocons that I am “endlessly promoting”…Anne Applebaum…Julia Joffe

    Sure, those were two of the fanatic Neocons whose videos ranting about Putin you were endlessly promoting.

    I thought it was common knowledge that at least one Ayatollah had met some of the few Chinese pilgrims at Qom

    I’ve never heard that story, so perhaps you can find a reference.

    At the time you’re describing, probably something like 1 in 100,000 Chinese had been infected with Covid, nearly all of them near Wuhan, which doesn’t have a large Muslim population. Moreover, almost all of China’s Muslims are Sunnis rather than Shias, and only the latter would ever be interested in visiting Iran on a pilgrimage.

    So your theory is that one of those very, very few infected Chinese Shia Muslims happened to travel to the Holy City of Qom in Iran and met with an Ayatollah, who then spread the disease to all of Iran’s political and military elites…right after America had assassinated Iran’s top military commander.

    It’s not impossible, but it’s about as plausible as your theory that JFK was accidentally shot and killed by a Secret Service agent.

    As to te infections of military people at the Wuhan games I think other commebters have shown up your understandable failure to cover all sources. It seems that there is good reason to follow up the many complaints of illness amongst athletes and their fanilies, though it may be too late unlessfamilum some died soon after the games before living body processes could destroy the evidence

    Your growing profusion of typos probably reflects your increasing embarrassment. Covid is extremely contagious and if any significant number of the athletes at Wuhan had been infected, they would have spread the disease back to all their countries during late 2019. There wasn’t a single outbreak anywhere in the world, so none of the athletes were infected.

  167. TBA says:
    @Drive-by poster

    When buying something from Amazon, Amazon gets your payment info. It might be paranoid to believe they would spread it, but just because you’re paranoid…
    It still seems odd not to read The Unz Review; he could always use Tor. True, Tor might have backdoors, but there are limits to rational paranoia.

    • Replies: @Drive-by poster
  168. @Ron Unz

    Apologies for the typos but I fear that your memory has contributed to what should be your embarrassment, not mine,which I can assure you does not occur when on a UR thread. My typos are a consequence of physical eye problems: repaired but retina damaging druse in one eye and suddenly arising AMD in the other which result in one letter per line of an eye chart down to about the 6/12 [20/40] level going missing if I don’t move my head. Irritating when I used to have 20/12 vision, almost like a test pilot or traditional Aborigine. I think I remember explaining most of that and you expressing sympathy which I valued considering how much effort and discomfort it must have required.

    Like you, I could be wrong in a trivial recollection. Your assertions about the inevitable results of contagiousness may be right but there appear to be a couple of commenters enthusiastically taking you on as to what did actually result from athletes picking up some infection which was never diagnosed as Covid because they caught it before anyone knew Covid existed.

  169. @MarkU

    Over the last week, I travelled a lot along the west coast and noticed a sharp difference in the percentages of Asians masked vs. non-Asians masked. Probably in the order of 4x difference: 80-90% of Asians masked vs. 20-25% non-Asians masked.

    Part of this difference in masking rate is probably attributable to experiences with SARS-1 and the culture of wearing masks to avoid pollution in highly polluted Asian countries.

    But I wonder if the Asian American population is collectively more aware of the bioweapon hypothesis and are expecting future targeted — or at least presumed to be targeted — attacks, and that Asian apprehension, which is not accessible to English-language media, is playing a role.

    • Replies: @meamjojo
  170. @JackOH

    If the students have accustomed themselves to not getting angry about things about which to my mind they ought to be angry, maybe they’ve by default adopted a devil-may-care attitude toward posting as they please without a second thought.

    Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I wonder if their lack of anger may be due to an inability to focus on any one thing long enough to get angry about it?

    Someone recently posted about a book called The Shallows: What the Internet Is Doing to Our Brains in one of the forum threads. One of the things the book makes clear is that long-term Internet use tends to alter the human brain to favour short-term, rapid thinking at the expense of so-called “deep reading,” the ability to focus on a text for a matter of hours rather than mere seconds.

    Likewise, these short-term thinkers have greater difficulty solving problems that require long-term thinking because their quick-thinking, impulsive brains do not allow them to stay with more difficult problems long enough to solve them.

    In fact, the more I think about it, the less funny the plight of the “prominent national journalist” mentioned in the thread article seems. That is, the problems that, to him, appear to be quite serious and insurmountable might not seem nearly so serious were he to simply sit down and think things through for a bit.

    However, the nature of today’s short attention span journalism that has writers apologising for any story that goes beyond three paragraphs may mean that this person simply does not have this ability. And just as it would be ridiculous to become upset with a cripple for not running a marathon, the contempt I felt for this chap until just a few moments ago may have been completely misdirected as well.

    In any case, I hope that he is eventually able to overcome his fear and finally read the book/website he is too fearful to seek at present. Montaigne is credited with saying, “there is no torture greater than that of a man who is unable to express what is in his soul.” He might have added, “or read whatever it is he would like to read.”

    • Replies: @JackOH
  171. Iris says:
    @Andreas

    There is still the problem of blow-back. The risk is too high. Such risks are taken only when the alternative is certain to be worse. Unanswered is exactly what was so dire as to warrant the virtual certainty of blow-back.

    But reality itself proves this to be wrong.

    While China formally communicated the existence of a new respiratory virus to the WHO during the first week of January 2020, and started taking drastic large-scale pandemic prevention measures straightaway, nothing of the sort happened in Western Europe.

    During 2 months and half, our politicians did absolutely nothing to prevent Covid from disseminating in Europe, as if our borders were impermeable to germs. Then, on exactly the 16th March 2029, Macron all of a sudden entered in full panic mode and kicked out the first lockdown. He was immediately followed on the 17th by Boris Johnson shutting down Britain.

    Needless to add that during the 2,5 months that preceded, absolutely no preparatory action of any sort was taken, not even purchases of masks, gloves, etc, which left hospitals un-provided with basic necessities to face the situation when push came to shove.

    So we suddenly, overnight, went from nothing to all. It is testimony and evidence that during the time elapsing after the Chinese WHO declaration early January, our leaders were convinced, either that the pandemic would remain a Chinese problem, or that the virus was quite innocuous.

    I will venture that it was the latter. Boris Johnson is a full-fledged Globalist gauleiter, and he kept carefreely affirming that Covid would not be a problem because “herd immunity”, as he called it, will naturally build up.

    BoJo may play the clown, but he is indisputably an insider. What I conclude is that the Neo-Cons who carried out the Covid biological attack on China did so, not because they dismissed the risk of blowback, but because they were convinced that the new coronavirus, under its early genomic they planted in Wuhan was relatively harmless.

    They must have convinced themselves following trials, leaks, experiments, or whatever reason.

    IMHO, Ron Unz is right, but the NeoCons are even more stupid than he thinks.
    They thought they would be immune to blowback and would just cause a big scare and disturbance to China, which has pandemic PTSD because of her past woes. They did not understand (1) that small-scale trials are not significant to represent epidemic episodes (2) that a virus’ genome evolves and may do so under a much more harmful form.

  172. @mulga mumblebrain

    Amen mulga mumblebrain!

    And what is most concerning (Charles Eisenstein does a great job explaining this) is that for a large portion of the population, including Ron, nothing has changed that will stop the psychopaths’ from foisting this misery on us again and again.

    Ron and crew are ready to go back into lockdowns, mask mandates and vaccine mandates just as soon as the next scary thing becomes convincing enough.

    The MOST IMPORTANT THING any of us can do is wake people up so that they, along with us, REFUSE TO COMPLY WITH ALL MANDATES.

    @Ron Unz – if I am misrepresenting you, PLEASE CORRECT ME!

    I and many here, would be grateful to see you clearly state that NONE of the mandates achieved anything but harm.

    And it’d be ESPECIALLY GREAT to see you unloose your inner Libertarian / Non-Aggression Principle supporting / Voluntaryism self such that you acknowledge that NO ONE and NO GOVERNMENT get to coerce ANYONE into taking any medical intervention whether Mask, “vaccine” or lockdown.

    Adults will always make better decisions for themselves and families than ANY government EVER will!!!

  173. Iris says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Must he come by Zoom to you waving a printed out copy of your article featuring him?

    Do you actually read any of the articles you profusely comment upon?
    Have you taken the pain to at least browse Pr Jeffrey Sachs Covid articles?

    Pr Sachs definitely comes through as a convinced and intelligent liberal, who even praised socialist economic policies at times. He is definitely “on the left”, whatever that means nowadays. He went as far as calling to vote for HRC, although he bluntly and bravely called her a warmonger.

    American political polarisation is such that I can’t see how a man so entrenched in the Democratic side of the divide could participate in a right wing website giving voice to the most repressed among Conservative voices.

    Also, Pr Sachs displays a much milder position than Ron Unz: he does not accuse anybody of deliberately releasing the virus, just calls for investigating past research. So Pr Sachs may actually be trying to defuse a situation, as these investigations could provide a honourable exit door to the Neo-Cons, if they were smart enough to seize it. The arguments he presented in favour of an engineered origin of SARS-C0V-2 are entirely scientific hence neutral, while Mr Unz’ are entirely political.

    It is quite obvious that Pr Sachs is the messenger of questions and interrogations that have been going on for a long time inside the larger scientific community he has access to. These questions then exploded into the global public scene after the discoveries made in Ukraine labs by the Russian military. So Pr Sachs is nudging those involved in the biowarfare to take responsibility before they are accused by other, foreign parties. He may be sincere, but it is a preservation attitude, not a radical one.

    Anyway, one can be sure that the good professor, God bless, is deluding himself.
    The US Deep State warmongers will never stop, as proven by the current escalation against China to make up for their debacle in the Ukraine. They will only stop when a powerful enough coalition of countries gives them a very bloody nose.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  174. @Ultrafart the Brave

    Maybe, but even before the vaccines there were cases of people repeatedly getting Covid-19 like some very old Italian woman who had it three times in the first year before vaccines were made available. Now that so many are vaccinated it may be hard to determine but it’s probable that some unvaccinated people are still getting Covid-19 repeatedly.

  175. Ron Unz says:
    @Andreas

    The theory could be strengthened by simply replacing the cartoonish “rogue elements” with “Deep State”. The mainstream elements of the US government have repeatedly shown over its history that they are already quite capable of carrying out what are by any objective measure depraved acts of psychopathic evil. By parsimony, there is no need to postulate some new entity when an existing entity will suffice…So let “rogue elements” be “Deep State”. Only then do things become more plausible.

    I think it’s just a matter of semantics…

    There seems very strong evidence that the Covid outbreak was due to an American attack against China (and Iran). But based upon Trump’s lackadaisical reaction once Covid began circulating in the US, I think it’s extremely unlikely he was aware of what had happened.

    If America launches a biowarfare attack against China and Iran without the authorization of the President, I’d say it’s a “rogue operation” by definition.

    The prime suspects would have been Mike Pompeo, John Bolton, and the people in their circles, namely the “Deep State Neocons.”

    So it sounds like we agree on the reality of what probably happened, so if you want to say it was likely carried out by the Deep State Neocons, that’s fine with me.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Andreas
  176. @JR Foley

    Good for Ron Unz and Sputnik –both do circles around Western news sites !!!!!

    Very true! Especially for Ron Unz.

    Nugent

  177. Sputnik is owned by the Putin regime and is one of their main conduits of propaganda. Nothing that is published there can be trusted.

    • Agree: meamjojo
    • Troll: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Pierre de Craon
  178. @Ron Unz

    Wow!

    fanatic Neocons whose videos ranting about Putin

    which you accuse me of relentlessly promoting.

    Well, I have just sent this to my friend who knows far more Cabot Ukraine and Russia than either of us with the comment that Putin comes across as smart and sophisticated. He is unlikely to deny that but I wonder what he will add – maybe “yes that’s what makes him so dangerous”.

    Have you read the speech and Q and A? Perhaps you would agree that it suggests a somewhat different interpretation of what Putin says, especially in the spoken word. Nothing inconsistent with his being a shameless confident liar and cynical propagandist, but also perhaps urbane and capable of humour while not sticking solemnly to truth. I still think Putin probably wants to gather Russophones into Russia as his great achievement, and to fend off America, and he certainly is ruthless but I find his motives from time to time elusive.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  179. Iris says:
    @Quartermaster

    There is a very big difference between Russian propaganda and Western propaganda, that any intelligent person should pick up.

    The former may hide things that are unfavourable to the Russian government. For instance, there is no credible reporting on Russian casualties in the Ukraine.

    The latter, on the other hand, makes up ludicrous fake news altogether, and in real time for that matter: the Ukraine is winning the war, Azovstal is a Ukrainian victory, Putin is dying, Putin will soon be deposed by a coup, etc.. We’ve been reading such grotesque fabrications for months, against what was visibly the opposite in reality. Living constantly in a world of make-believe badly reflects on Western intellectual standards, much more so than Russian limited and selective censorship.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  180. @acementhead

    LOL

    Too subtle for most, I’m afraid. Initially I was going to be subtle enough to correct the “Guinea” mis-spelling – but then frankly, I just couldn’t be bothered.

    Keep the faith, friend. We need all the black humour we can get if we’re not all going to start slitting our own throats after… err… a final long, cold Danish lager.

    • Thanks: acementhead
  181. @Wizard of Oz

    I do not think that Putin wants to re-establish the Sovirt Union. (Fwiw I think a reuniting of all territories with substantial Russian speaking populations (and Little Russia as he tendentiously calls all Ukraine is the legacy he appears to want, if not a Czarist extension to Poland.)

    Wrong again, Wizard – as, frankly, you so often are. I’m all in favour of rarely or never believing anything you read online. But I do think you should probably do your best to understand, accept and remember straightforward documented facts:

    https://en.tempo.co/read/566762/former-adviser-says-putin-wants-to-re-unite-soviet-union

    I’m not at all clear how exactly you imagine that “a reuniting of all territories with substantial Russian speaking populations” [ie. with OR without the agreement of their respective populations] is construable by any rational, intelligent mind as anything other than the “re-establishment of the Soviet Union”. You’re really saying exactly the same thing using different words – but insisting the meaning is different.

    Are you a Born-Again, by any chance ?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  182. @Commentator Mike

    You are increasingly becoming a pest on UR threads, especially with your persistent absurd, meaningless, and pointless questioning

    Thank you, Sir, on behalf of, I suspect, most of the population of the Commentariat here, for bitch-slapping the tedious, self-obsessed yapping cur.

    • Agree: acementhead
  183. geokat62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    … so if you want to say it was likely carried out by the Deep State Neocons, that’s fine with me.

    Well, that settles it then. It’s officially six for six…

    Greatest killers in last one hundred years… Jews
    JFK assassination… Jews
    USS Liberty… Jews
    911… Jews
    Iraq invasion… Jews
    Covid bioweapon… John Bolton/Mike Pompeo Jews

    • LOL: meamjojo
  184. Having caught SARS 1 a year before SARS 2/C19 arrived, I’m convinced SARS 1 was a precursor to SARS 2/C19, to test of its ability to spread and how lethal it could be to various age groups before they implemented gain of function and nanovax rollout.
    SARS 1 was deadly if I had not seeked emergency care.

  185. @Ron Unz

    “… the theory that both JFK and RFK were each accidentally shot and killed by their own bodyguards. Other than you, I’m not sure there’s ever been anyone in the history of the world who has proposed such total nonsense.”

    A friend of mine claimed decades ago that JFK was accidently shot by a guard in the following car. He averred that there was a book written by someone, whose name I can not remember, that put that forward as a conjecture/hypothesis.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Anon
  186. JackOH says:
    @Drive-by poster

    Thanks. I’m not really sure of my ground, but there does seem something wobbly about the relations between young people and computers. Maybe it’s the astounding ease of transactions, “forced compression” (Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, all that).

    That “prominent national journalist”—if he’s a real pro–has a sort of negative professional reason to give Ron’s theory at least a quick scan. We don’t yet have any authoritative explanation for the origin and spread of COVID, or America’s poor response to it, AFAIK. In the absence of anything definitive, and given Ron’s conviction about his own theory, why not give it some tentative credibility pending further investigation? I guess that journalist will have to find his own way to that conclusion.

  187. @JackOH

    I believe that Whitney Webb et al are making a convincing case that the globalists, having fallen out of love with Artificial Machine Intelligence, are now studying how to shape human intelligence to more closely resemble what they have created with machines. ‘Transhumanism’ as a Great Leap Backwards for the ‘useless eaters’.

    • Replies: @JackOH
  188. @Wizard of Oz

    Please, Wizz-give us ONE example of Putin’s ‘shameless lying’. Just one, otherwise I’ll file it under, ‘Wizz, Psychological Projection’, with all the others.

  189. @Dave Bowman

    I’m sure I’m not a Born Again even though I don’t / know what it means😉. Something to do with religion? Definitely not me.

    You seem to have missed the considerable discussions of Putin’s enthusiasm for (at any rate his selective and/or distorted version of Russia’s imperial history. Even though he described the fall of the Soviet Union as a great tragedy – for reasons I don’t remember him spelling out – it is his nostalgia for pre Soviet traditions and culture that you may find most striking if you read, for example, the English transcript of his October 2021 Valdai Discussion Club speech. I omitted link it above to Ron so here is Putin’s very clever seduction of Westerners with what elements of true beef it is hard to say
    https://valdaiclub.com/events/posts/articles/vladimir-putin-meets-with-members-of-the-valdai-discussion-club-transcript-of-the-18th-plenary-session/

  190. @TBA

    When buying something from Amazon, Amazon gets your payment info. It might be paranoid to believe they would spread it, but just because you’re paranoid…

    Out of curiosity, would it be possible for someone to purchase an Amazon gift card at a shop with cash and pay for purchases anonymously that way? I don’t understand much about gift cards, but perhaps someone here might know.

    Payment information concerns aside, I have always found Amazon unsettling for the simple reason that they retain a record of everything you have ever bought from them forever. There is something eerie about being able to look at your “past orders” and see books you bought from them years ago, read, and have long since forgotten. But there they are, right there on the site.

    I rarely buy books from them because of this “feature.” I know millions swear by Amazon, but I don’t think you have to be particularly paranoid to be chary of a company that gives me the impression of being not so much a retailer as an enormous data mining operation.

    • Replies: @meamjojo
  191. @Wizard of Oz

    Very few Chinese Moslems are Shia, so I find that ‘story’, particularly coming so recently, highly suspect. I see that al-Arabiya, Saudi agit-prop, is the source for this ‘scoop’. As for participants in the Military Games getting sick, they were mingling with the Americans, were they not? I am sorry to hear of your eye problems-sounds like kale for the lutein and a low fat diet to combat the drusen may be useful.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  192. @Ron Unz

    Sorry, poor eyesight and not enough sleep led to my omission of this important link to Putin’s very clever speech and Q and A in October 2021 at the Valdai Club

    https://valdaiclub.com/events/posts/articles/vladimir-putin-meets-with-members-of-the-valdai-discussion-club-transcript-of-the-18th-plenary-session/

    This is what I got back from my well informed friend of Ukrainian ancestry when I linked it to him

    I do recall this speech when he gave it.

    You can see how Russia sucks in many conservatives and religious zealots (ie suckers) with its propaganda.
    Like all propaganda there is a mixture of truth and lies in this .
    As we have seen with his disastrous decision to invade Ukraine, Putin is isolated from the real world and believes his own propaganda.

    There are these problems in western society, but Shakespeare is not being banned from schools. I would hope the West brings back Orwell in a big way, because that describes societies like Russia and China pretty well and citizens of the West need to know what that means.

    The idea that Russia is some kind of religious conservative nirvana is also a nonsense. The church is headed by an ex KGB agent, and the degree of actual religiosity is not different from the West on average, and is probably lower among nominal Christians in Russia because Muslims make up 15% of the population and they are religious. Religiosity is far higher in the US than in Russia, but the US is an outlier in the West on that score.

    Where this supposedly “traditional values” Russian society completely outscores the US is in its murder rate, which is about twice that of the US (even without the guns!), and 4 times that of Western European countries. A big kicker (if you pardon this horrible pun) in the Russian murder rate comes from female partners being bashed to death by their husband or boyfriend. Also read Peter Pomerantsev to get an idea of the degree of debauchery that exists in Russia. The non-Muslim population is falling fast.

    The murderous chatter on Russian social media during this new invasion of Ukraine shows how sick that society actually is.

  193. Ron Unz says:
    @acementhead

    A friend of mine claimed decades ago that JFK was accidently shot by a guard in the following car. He averred that there was a book written by someone, whose name I can not remember, that put that forward as a conjecture/hypothesis.

    Sure. I assume that book was the basis of the stupid video that WoZ kept promoting to me. Frankly, the idea seems so totally ridiculous that I’d never waste any time looking into it.

    But WoZ didn’t stop there. He later argued that RFK had also probably been accidentally shot and killed by one of his own security guards.

    As far as I can think, I’m not sure that a single significant world leader has ever been accidentally shot and killed by his own guards, so to claim that fate befell both of the Kennedy brothers is really quite extraordinary, and other than WoZ I doubt that anyone in the history of the world has ever proposed that theory.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  194. Mr Unz still doesn’t get it. What a shame ! He’s still pushing his ridiculous bio warfare meme. A bio weapon to which 99% people survive ! Hilarious. We can’t take anything he writes seriously.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  195. meamjojo says:
    @China Silence

    “Over the last week, I travelled a lot along the west coast and noticed a sharp difference in the percentages of Asians masked vs. non-Asians masked. Probably in the order of 4x difference: 80-90% of Asians masked vs. 20-25% non-Asians masked. ”

    Asians are known to be more compliant in following orders and suggestions.

  196. meamjojo says:
    @Commentator Mike

    “Now that so many are vaccinated it may be hard to determine but it’s probable that some unvaccinated people are still getting Covid-19 repeatedly.”

    Or not. A blanket statement like this has the same value as Ron’s continually repeated contention that Covid is “extremely contagious”. And that value is bupkis.

  197. meamjojo says:
    @Drive-by poster

    “Payment information concerns aside, I have always found Amazon unsettling for the simple reason that they retain a record of everything you have ever bought from them forever. There is something eerie about being able to look at your “past orders” and see books you bought from them years ago, read, and have long since forgotten. But there they are, right there on the site.”

    Don’t worry, be happy. Just looked at my Amazon account. I have made 80 purchases in 2022! Nothing untoward has happened to me yet.

    • Replies: @neutral
  198. @mulga mumblebrain

    Any autocrat who didn’t tell lies or cringed with shame about it wouldn’t last long. Maybe any head of government. Off the top of my hea head what about insisting on “special operation”?

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  199. @JackOH

    Thanks for adding interesting observation to interesting observation/speculation.

  200. @Ron Unz

    These are lies or signs of Ron’s premature senility as it used to be called. The only point I ever made was that, though I was in no position to support the physical possibility independent of the apparently professional investigation that a retired Australian police detective and others described the theory had the merit of offering a comparatively innocent explanation of at least part of the cover up. And the merit of that, if it needs spelling out, is that apparent cover ups are always advanced as reasons for believing a conspiracy exists.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  201. D. K. says:
    @Ron Unz

    “You seem to be confusing two separate issues.”

    No, Mr. Unz, my discussing two different aspects of the apparent Covid-19 (avant la lettre) outbreak at the Military World Games in Wuhan, in October 2019, neither implies nor constitutes confusion on my part. As a retired attorney, inter alia, I am quite competent at discerning and distinguishing separate issues related to the same underlying set of facts, thanks just the same. I have discussed both of those issues at some length, already, above.

    “However, (2) seems medically impossible.”

    Is that your professional opinion, as a qualified and licensed medical expert, Mr. Unz? Regardless, others, as demonstrated by the many quotes in my earlier comments, as well as in the many linked sources that I have cited, obviously disagree with your own blanket statement of what is “medically impossible.” Should I seek affidavits from my family members and close friends who are medical doctors or nurses?

    “However, (2) seems medically impossible. Given the extremely contagious nature of the disease, they almost certainly would have spread it to large numbers of other athletes, later producing huge outbreaks in their own countries after they returned home. Not a single such outbreak occurred anywhere in the world during late 2019, therefore they weren’t infected.”

    As already noted in my earlier comments, many athletes on various teams came down sick in Wuhan. One said that everyone in his apartment in Wuhan came down sick, followed by his family members. A Canadian athlete said that sixty members of his team were sick and isolated, on their flight back home to Canada. Superspreader events, such as at Italian and other ski resorts, happened because of the social aspects of those venues, such as dance floors in the ski lodges– not from skiing alone down mountain sides! People interacting intimately– e.g., face-to-face on a hot and crowded dance floor– while not realizing, yet, that they were infected with a casually transmissible virus, was what caused the super-spread, early in the pandemic. Sick athletes, after returning home from China, were not about to head for the dance floors at the nearest ski lodges; their housemates would be the primary targets for any normal person-to-person spread of the virus– as indeed happened, according to those athletes’ own accounts.

    “As for your claims that I regularly go around bragging about my IQ on this website or elsewhere, perhaps you can find a single example of this. Try long and hard and take all the time you need.”

    I did not say that you “regularly go around bragging about [your] IQ on this website or elsewhere;” I was merely pointing out your noted tendency to talk down to commenters who disagree with you, as if we were all literally cretins. As for your challenge, though, does your reposting of a magazine article, elsewhere on the Internet, count?

    ***

    “Affirmation came at school. In second grade, Unz was tested as having a 214 IQ at a time when, as one of his former teachers recalls, the Guinness Book of World Records listed 200 as the highest on record. Programs for gifted kids followed. Unz eschewed girls, cars, and sports in favor of math and debate competitions. At 17, he won the prestigious national Westinghouse Science Talent Search for a paper on black holes.

    . . .

    “At the same time, some of Unz’s Harvard buddies had gone to Wall Street, where the Bonfire of the Vanities era was in full swing. At their urging, Unz looked for a summer job and caught First Boston’s eye in part by noting his IQ on his resume. What Unz thought would be a brief summer hitch in 1987 turned into six years in New York, the abandonment of his Ph.D., and the conviction that he could earn and save enough to pursue his policy passions independently.” [emphasis added]

    ***

    https://www.onenation.org/opinion/this-man-controls-california/

    N.B.: An IQ score of 214 on a childhood IQ test taken at roughly age 7 (e.g., second grade) is roughly equivalent to a 15-year-old’s scoring an IQ of 100 on the same test. Childhood IQ scores, of course, conflate native intelligence with maturation, causing an inflation of high scores in the right tail of the IQ-score distribution curve vis-a-vis the normal curve. Adults should be rated on an adult IQ test– not use their childhood IQ scores as if they were attained on an adult IQ test and meant the same as if they had been.

    I happened to discuss all of this, with you and others, as an aside, back in March/April 2015, in an iSteve comment thread about the Amanda Knox murder case in Perugia, Italy, after the inestimable commenter ‘Truth’ said that I was “more like a flying squirrel” (than “a Dinka Tribesman” [sic]) when compared to you, intellectually. (He credited you with an IQ of 215, rather than a mere 214.)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/haven-monahan-john-doerr-and-now-amanda-knox-three-great-white-defendants-walk-in-one-week/

    As I noted there:

    ***

    The only reason that someone like Marilyn Mach vos Savant scores a 228 on a childhood IQ test is because childhood IQ scores are derived by calculating the ratio of “mental age” to actual chronological age, and then multiplying by 100. Such ratio-IQ tests, and the scores derived from them, are conflating g with maturation rate! Someone who has an extreme of g, but also has matured much more quickly than the average child, gets a markedly higher IQ score, at that age, than a normally matured child with the same extreme of g, let alone a slow-to-mature child with the same extreme of g. Ms. Savant’s reported 186 score on the Mega Test, as an adult, is about what I would have expected.

    ***

    Actually, the young Miss vos Savant benefited somewhat, as well, from a technical misunderstanding on the part of her childhood psychometrician. Nonetheless, those of you otherworldly geniuses who scored over 200 (or anywhere close to it) on IQ tests, as children, are likely to score “only” in the 180s, on a professionally administered adult IQ test taken in adulthood. I am so confident of that prediction that my offer from March 30, 2015 still stands:

    “If Mr. Unz can manage to pull a 215 on a professionally administered deviation-IQ exam, these days, I will eat my thirty-five-year-old [now 42-year-old] copy of the DSM III (if I can lay my hands on it)!?!?!”

  202. dux.ie says:
    @Ron Unz

    > Sure, but I think something like 80% of the Asians in California are East Asians rather than South Asians.

    Yes. But are EastAsian Californian the typical EastAsian? The global empirical data have shown them to be different and the reasons you did not want to know. Some might question the accuracy of the Chinese data but the Japanese data are also similar. There is a impartial paper from the Russian, I think they wanted to know if SARS2 is aimed at them and the paper has COVID data with respect to genetics for people all over different part of Russia and as well as comparison data for European, South Asian and EastAsian. The paper identified another 2 genetic markers sensitive to COVID. For rs11385942 the SouthAsian hit the jackpot again while European is moderate and EastAsian almost nil. For rs657152 SouthAsian again have slightly higher percentage, European in the middle and EastAsian slightly lower.


    Rs657152 is also loosely related to blood group A which has high percentage in European while SouthAsian are mostly group B and EastAsian are mostly group O. Another paper based on massive 23andMe data also has shown that blood group A is more subceptable to COVID. Wuhan is a odd city in China with higher percentage of blood group A due to the many descendents of the ancent normadic invaders from the north and west. Horse back calvary did not go well in hot, wet, muddy and jungle terrains south of the Yangtze River.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34764675/
    Variation of Genomic Sites Associated with Severe Covid-19 Across Populations: Global and National Patterns
    According to Zeberg and Pääbo,7 the frequencies of these SNP varied among the populations included in the 1000 Genomes project and the highest frequency occurs in South Asia (Bangladesh). Zeberg and Pääbo also cited the report where individuals of Bangladeshi origin in the UK have an about two times higher risk of dying from COVID-19 than the general (White British) population.
    Rs11385942 is strongly associated with severe COVID-19. Its highest frequency (20–30%) is observed in South Asia, followed by West Asia and Europe (5–15%). This SNP is found in the populations of North Africa but is rare or undetected in East Asia, North Asia (Siberia), native American populations, and sub-Saharan Africa.
    Another genomic site strongly associated with severe COVID-19 is rs657152; it is located at the ABO blood group locus. The association between the ABO blood group system and COVID-19 severity has been reported in a number of studies. For example, the risk of COVID-19-associated respiratory failure was the highest in patients with blood type A; by contrast, patients with blood type O were at the lowest risk for COVID-19-associated respiratory failure.

  203. Curle says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    I stand corrected. He insulted her for making an accurate observation about immigration.

  204. Curle says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “On a couple of specifics: When someone makes such a fool of himself as to treat Scott Ritter and Larry C. Johnson as authorities on Ukraine and Putin’s war it is hard to know just how insouciantly ignorant you have been on Ukraine and Russia and what might get through and inform you it’s better.”

    Your predictions at the start of Putin’s (or is it NATO’s?) war compared to Ritter’s please. At least let us see which authority (you vs Ritter) was reliable as opposed to just verbose.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  205. @JackOH

    We don’t yet have any authoritative explanation for the origin and spread of COVID, or America’s poor response to it, AFAIK.

    Well, now you know…



    Video Link

  206. Anon[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @acementhead

    A TV show in Australia claimed that an SS rifleman in the car behind slipped and accidentally discharged his weapon hitting JFK in the head and the simple-minded Wizard swallowed so much of it that he can’t stop himself from regurgitating it from time to time.

    There was another silly claim once that JFK’s own driver turned around and shot him but these nonsense stories just serve to muddy the water and cloud the fact that there were shooters in a culvert, on a building roof, near the overpass and on the grass knoll.

    The Wizard may just be autistic as well as a pest.

    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  207. @Commentator Mike

    … some very old Italian woman who had it three times in the first year before vaccines were made available.

    This is an interesting data point – but personally I’d qualify that with the following observatons…

    1. A very elderly person’s immune system might be suspect, much more so than someone of working age or younger.

    2. The PCR test which was used to “detect” the “deadly” Corona Chan bug prior to and some time after the rollout of the fake “vaccines” was calibrated against fragments of the Common Cold virus (as they had nothing else to work with). That’s on the public record. So the PCR test is crap, it can’t “detect” anything, although it’s deliberately designed to spit out “positives” in order to generate a convenient “pandemic”.

    So that old lady might have been catching bugs, but IMO that’s just something some old ladies do.

    The American CDC shelved the PCR test because they finally publicly acknowledged that it can’t actually “detect” anything. That’s when they brought in the Rapid Antigen Tests, which incidentally are calibrated to “detect” the same shit that the fake “vaccines” inject into people’s blood. All very convenient.

    All this leads to the argument by some on these forums that there is no actual Corona Chan “virus”, and never was. That’s actually supported by the FOIs all around the world where not a single government or health agency has been able to produce any isolate of the alleged virus. I’m of an open mind on this, because Dr. David Martin has proven the existence of numerous patents for relevant engineered Corona Chan bugs or similar by Fauci and his crew – but whether any actual Corona Chan “virus” is involved in the current genocide is another matter (it appears the fake “vaccines” have proven sufficient for this phase of the Great Reset).

  208. Polemos says:
    @A B Coreopsis

    Do you read every single comment in detail or do you skim, skip over entire sections, or what?

    Nobody stops you from twiggling your finger long enough to move the words on the screen away from your precious eyes and beautiful soul, but other types, wretched villains with vulgar minds and abridged dictionaries, might enjoy a different online experience.

    Open every chakra, and all this changes.

  209. @mulga mumblebrain

    Thanks. Now I’ve got it. How many people did you poison, how many blokes accidentally castrate, before you were struck off?😎

    Come to think of it you’ll have picked me as an imaginative opportunist (and always generously willing to help those in trouble, like our generous host indeed). Well I have this old friend who has an ex first wife who has become incorrigibly expensive and so vindictive that she managed to block his cheap flight expedition to Los Vegas. Any thoughts?😇

  210. Polemos says:
    @D. K.

    Thank you for your citations. The detail beneath the more tag demonstrates your point, hence the tag to hide it from people who don’t have the time or patience for curiosity or love for truth.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  211. @mulga mumblebrain

    If you want “shameless lies” by Putin consider this which just popped up on my screen

    https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/there-can-be-no-winners-russian-president-vladimir-putin-denounces-nuclear-war-in-letter-to-treaty/news-story/6d5cbf4a40b59aa6789e5250b6261f04

    Now he wants to pull back from his lying threats. I wonder what that might do to embolden NATO.

    • Thanks: meamjojo
  212. @Wizard of Oz

    Yes, I am a universal sceptic. After Googling I have asked my friend to justify his comparative murder figures up to date. Of course US figures are deplorable – partly because of deplorables with guns – and deplorables elected Trump over an even more deplorable alternate!

    PS Ron, my epiphany has been different from yours. Life has been good and nearly all lucky from the start and I had a benign view if the world which I am now trying to re-examine. But I never was naive as you claimed to be about media,even before I read McLean. I had as first boss one of the most sophisticated and knowledgeable sceptics n the world ans

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  213. @Wizard of Oz

    Addenda and corrigenda. McLuhan od course – though Autodial is a millennial and hasn’t heard of him. And I recorded in a letter home from university that whenever read in Time magazine about something I knew about I discovered errors. I don’t claim to have been been ahead of you in knowing sophistication but you should recognise that a psychologically comfortable upbringing is not even a aprobable prescription for naivetè or gullibility.

  214. neutral says:
    @meamjojo

    Nothing untoward has happened to me yet.

    A good little ZOG bot such as you is the ideal Amazon thrall, ahem I meant customer.

    • Thanks: meamjojo
  215. @Wizard of Oz

    Your punctuation needs attention, Wizz. The ‘JFK shot from behind’ GARBAGE requires the lethal head shot to have done a wide, 180 or so degree, curve, before entering his head from the front. Laughable garbage, as I said. When does a ‘useful idiot’ lose his utility?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  216. @mulga mumblebrain

    I Googled for “what lies has Putin told” and got a pretty good selection of responses, mostly about Russia’s lies that mostly would have to be owned by Putin but I thought this might be best for you

    Everyone keeps saying ‘Putin lies’ – but does he? | The Independent

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/putin-lies-russia-ukraine-war-salisbury-b2112686.html

    But I like this much better and it will get your heart rate and BP up to athletic levels.

    https://theconversation.com/vladimir-putins-lying-game-100513

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  217. @Wizard of Oz

    The Russians do things by the book. A Declaration of War is different from an anti-terrorist special operation, one going well, but, unfortunately, taking many Ukrainians with it. Not all neo-Nazis. Here, of course, with your beloved Liberals, it is MUCH easier to note when they do NOT lie, to save aeons of time and mountains of paper.

    • LOL: Wizard of Oz
  218. @Wizard of Oz

    Your Ukrainian ‘friend’ sounds like a true Banderite racist fanatic. Just the sort to be sought out by the likes of you. Russia’s murder rate is but half of which it was under Yeltsin, no doubt a hero of yours. It has been falling steadily since 2008. And I love the stinking gall of a Banderite accusing Russia of ‘murderous chatter’. Pot and kettle, or what.
    As for Putin being ‘isolated’, the cleansing of Nazis in the Ukraine has the approval of the Russian ruling circles, and 82% or so of the population. As we see from ?elensky, the Ukronazis have a real gift for hysterical mendacity, getting worse as Russia crushes their little Reich.

  219. Why did the Daily Mail counter-argue? It might have been a lack of nerve. Or did Lord Rothermere, the owner intervene?

    He is very much an Establishment man but Private Eye, the satirical magazine tells us that he has achieved non-domiciled status in spite of spending a lot of time in England. Losing non-dom status would cost him tax money. He is also trying it on in Dorset. His 4,500 acre estate, Bryanston near Blandford Forum might become a “temporary” trailer park for those poor, poor Ukrainian refugees, turning a green field site into a brown field site. It would make planning permission for a housing estate easier. The pay off would be millions. It is worth making your face fit.

  220. Andreas says:
    @Ron Unz

    I think it’s just a matter of semantics…

    But hopefully not to imply superficial word play.

    I will be blunt. I am humbly urging you to make a public revision to your bio-weapons theory.

    I’m driven by what makes sense to form a good theory. Because there is already nothing off limits for the existing US government, there is no need to entertain “rogue elements”. Given any two theories that purport to explain some event, the best one is the simplest, i.e. the most efficient.

    I think this is incontrovertible. If one can accept that there is nothing in principle that is more scurrilous about your claims regarding Covid than anything else the US government has ever done, then logic demands such a revision.

    Now the claim becomes more rational without sacrificing the overall premise.

    The US government planned and carried out a deliberate bio-weapons attack against China.

    It’s still an extraordinary and provocative claim. But it no longer sounds like an X-File.

    The fact that your theory sounds very much like an X-File is why I believe no one is openly coming forth in support of it. No one will risk their career or reputation chasing a shadowy cabal of “rogue elements”.

    Not only is the conspiratorial notion of “rogue elements” logically inefficient, it also forms a self-inflicted attack surface by which you can be publicly ridiculed by the mainstream and dismissed as a conspiracy theorist.

    Get rid of “rogue elements” and name the most likely suspects instead.

    As for the “private” interest expressed by some that your theory is “reasonably plausible” yet who are not coming forth, well… they are thinking exactly what I am thinking.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  221. @mulga mumblebrain

    I’m afraid you suffer from a similarly highly strung temperament to RU which makes uncertainty difficult to bear. Whether or not the fatal bullet struck Kennedy from the front has always been something I have been content to leave in the contestable and contested basket. It is thus perfectly logical to consider whether a conscientiously compiled shot from behind theory might have merit, not least because it reduces the appearance of intolerably evil cover up. (Remembering the old rule that if you have choice between a conspiracy and cock-ups you choose the cockup). I have no belief in the shot from behind by a security service officer FWIW.

  222. @Wizard of Oz

    I Googled for “what lies has Putin told” and got a pretty good selection of responses…

    You “Googled”? Seriously?

    You mean the same Google that is owned by Alphabet and serves the Globalists?

    The same Google that promotes official American regime narratives and throttles any alternatives?

    That Google?

    This is more than a little like a chicken asking the foxes for advice.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  223. JackOH says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    mulga, I’m too weak an observer of young people-computer interactions, and my observations are very scanty.

    But, there does seem to be a strong hint at least, in my opinion, that young people are docilely molding themselves to templates of communication and thought created by Zuckerberg, et. al.

    That docility may speak to Drive-by’s point(s). That docility, if my cobbled-together reasoning makes any sense, may offer some explanation for young people (and some journalists, I suppose) having a hard time distinguishing “private communications space” from “public communications space”.

    My thinking isn’t all that clear, but I think there’s something out there for finer minds to explore.

  224. @Andreas

    I can’t avoid quibbling even when you are trying to push Ron towards better sense. Your version of Ockham’s Razor that the simplest theory is best and or because it us mist efficient is not correct. Applying Ockham’s Razor is only a preliminary rule of thumb. The true answer may turn out to be very complex with many variables. Still, I am reminded of that teasing question of the form “Is it more likely that a recently arrived immigrant woman will be found collapsed in the street or that a recently arrived immigrantcwoman who is pregnant will be?” The logically required answer is obvious but often not given.

    It serves to focus attention on the curious way Ron has put his theory together. The “smoking gun” Ron won’t give up, though he should now see how little weight it has, leads him to find a plausible scenario in what he imagines about people like Pompeo and Bolton because he can’t bring himself to see it as government policy. Sorry for boring trivia but when you’ve tapp with onred out an exercise Iin clear thinking with one finger it seems a pity to give it up.

  225. @Eugene MAZAMBA

    You’ve come to the conversation late and you may be right in your view of his theory but for te wrong reason. Ron long ago pointed out what damage could be done to an economy by a highly contagious but not particularly lethal disease and posited an economic attack from the outset. Events around the world support him in that.

  226. @Anon

    Extraordinary that one so detached from reality should be flinging the word autistic around when it us really applicable to one who can provide a version of my contributuion which is totally false while compelling a Troll tag to be applied for

    There was another silly claim once that JFK’s own driver turned around and shot him

    OK….

    but these nonsense stories just serve to muddy the water and cloud the fact that there were shooters in a culvert, on a building roof, near the overpass and on the grass knoll.

    Yes, and in a helicopter overhead flown by LBJ’s Mossad contact

  227. Didn’t some people in India, in the very early stages of this fiasco, not report that they found the supposed “virus” to be suspiciously engineered? They were subsequently silenced.

  228. @Iris

    You are a typically innumerate person – like most politicians and journalists – who ignores the fact that Western media output, including alternative media, is probably 500 times as voluminous as Russian and that you are only keeping up with a tiny fraction of it selected according to whatever biases you knowingly or unknowingly apply.

  229. @JackOH

    That “prominent national journalist”—if he’s a real pro–has a sort of negative professional reason to give Ron’s theory at least a quick scan. We don’t yet have any authoritative explanation for the origin and spread of COVID, or America’s poor response to it, AFAIK. In the absence of anything definitive, and given Ron’s conviction about his own theory, why not give it some tentative credibility pending further investigation?

    My thoughts exactly: give the site/book a look, see what Mr. Unz has to say for himself, then make up your own mind as to the worth of the material.

    Perhaps the actual source of the pnj’s reluctance to take the plunge is a simple reluctance to change his existing worldview? From time to time I meet people who are not only reluctant to embrace new ideas, they are hostile to even considering them. Their entire lives seem to consist of getting through the immediate tasks of the workday, then heading home, picking up the remote, and numbing themselves out on whatever violent trash comes up on the TV.

    I do not know if today’s journalists are part of that demographic. I do know that a lot of mainstream journalism careers depend largely on the ability to uncritically pass on the talking points contained in official press releases and leaving it at that. Ask questions? They wouldn’t dare.

    If there is one thing that drives this site, it’s curiosity. Unfortunately, curiosity seems much less highly prized than conformity in journalism at present, so I doubt we will see many of the ideas found in these forums aired on the MSM any time soon in anything other than a “Lookit the kooks!” context.

    • Agree: JackOH
  230. @mulga mumblebrain

    Drop the silly stuff like “Banderite” and, for that matter calling my friend “Ukrainian” who was born 70 years ago in Australia and has, as an avocation, even written books about Australian war heroes.

    Consistently with the sceptical attention I persistently give to facts and evidence I was concerned that he might have been out of date in his concluding gibe about Russian criminality and, as already noted, I have taken that up with him.

    It is fair to conclude that Putin is “isolated” partly on tw a priori ground that autocrats inevitably end up with discreet yes men around them and partly by observing that extraordinary publicly broadcast affair in February as he was about to launch his invasion.

    His popular support is a completely different matter. As it happens it may be genuine and not greatly dependent on people being cautious in response tonpolls which they might fear were organised by security services. I only listened to the following podcast while walking briskly in a local park so I wasn’t able to take it all in and analyse its validity. But I can guarantee you brilliant like it.

    Watch “How popular is Putin in Russia?” on YouTube

    After various tricks to get at genuine opinions pollsters seem to thunk Putin is almost as popular as the published figures say

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  231. @Wizard of Oz

    I would hope the West brings back Orwell in a big way, because that describes societies like Russia and China pretty well and citizens of the West need to know what that means.

    I do not know what one can read into this about Russia, but the best Orwell site I know of is Russian: https://orwell.ru/

    If your chum is waiting for the West to re-embrace Orwell, I suspect his wait will be in vain. Orwell may have described life in the countries behind the then-Iron Curtain fairly well, but he described what life in the West would eventually become to a T.

    (Particularly the “war is peace” bit.)

  232. @Curle

    If you want verbose you should try listening to Ritter. I take it you haven’t or you wouldn’t have so lightly tossed off an intellectually deficient challenge. Deficient because you apparently haven’t considered the valuecof sceptical curiosity about matters on which one is properly uncertain. To return to Ritter’s bloviating rubbish is too much to ask of me unless you want to put to me something from him that you approve of. But I will mention that I have expressed scepticism about te effectiveness of sanctions – and am pleasantly surprised when I hear that they may be working. I have tentativelybsuggested that there does seem to be a case for believing Ukraine can win if the US doesn’t lose its nerve. (And, unless America is willing to retreat into being te centre of a Central and North American economic block and abandon its worldwide influence it must prevail against such a weak pretender to superpower status as Russia

  233. @Ultrafart the Brave

    Pleasecdon’t waste my time with irrelevant blather. It is a case if you bothered to think it through where it makes not the slightest difference what search engine is used.

  234. Anonymous[468] • Disclaimer says:

    “Neocons” is a step in the right direction. But the elements of the crime of aggression do not apply to factions. They apply to individuals organized in institutions. So the question is, How did these so-called Neocons control the state to effect sneak-attack undeclared aggression with banned biological weapons?

    With municipal-law impunity. Without impunity you can’t break banned biological weapons out of secure storage and attack the whole world while censoring civil society to obscure attribution of the wrongful act.

    So, hmm, impunity, Who has that? You need rad hacker warez to doxx the Deep State, so let’s fire up Prodigy and look it up in Altavista…

    Hah, we’re in! The National Security Act, the Central Intelligence Agency Act, The Intelligence Identities Protection Act, the operational files exemption, the political questions doctrine, the state secrets privilege, the utmost deference doctrine, the deference upon deference doctrine, FASAB Standard 56, NSC 10/2, the National Security Directive of December 19, 1947, the Rogers-Huston memo et seq. Right there in black and white.

    Whadda ya know. Son of a bitch. CIA. Who’d a thunk it?

    Really, if you come out and say the blindingly obvious fact that CIA’s arbitrary power makes them the perp, what are they gonna do, send you to Nam? Everybody in the whole world knows this.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  235. @Anonymous

    But do tell us,: which people in the CIA/ Deep State? Not necessarilly all the names but how do the relevant people self organise (and are they always on te same side in one group)? No doubt if there is an established key group at the core how do they recruit likely co-conspirators, what do they do about new recruits who turn them down and what do those who turn them down or are never invited to join but learn a lot about it do?

  236. @D. K.

    Good to read sane informed stuff on s UR tread. A question about IQs. I know very well someone whose mother in England was the owner of her own little school when her daughter was young and , it seemed, mildly dyslexic (“I couldn’t teach my own daughter to read!” she said to me). Daughter in time wrote botanical books and didn’t seem to have trouble with the botanical names and, as well as being obviously very bright was almost ambidextrous and very quick with her hands r.g in a kitchen.

    Do teacher mother had her tested, twice I think. and her IQ was measured at about 173 in. I guess, about 1948/9 in southern England. An idea whether it might have been Cattell with SD 24 rather than Stanford Binet or Wechsler with SD 15? And would there have been any likelihood that if she was tested at 8 or9 the Von Ssvant effect might have been applicsble?

    • Replies: @D. K.
  237. @mulga mumblebrain

    As a result of my quoting figures to my friend which suggested not much difference between US deplorable murder rates and Russia’s more deplorable rates he replied this:

    Murder rate comparisons I have seen in the past support my view about Russia v USA.

    I had another look just now and found several studies / sources that support that view.

    For 2022 World Population Review has Russia 8.21 and US 4.96 (both 2018 numbers).

    IndexMundi had the same numbers.

    World Atlas has Russia 9.2 and USA 5.3 in 2020.

    I would not believe any numbers coming out of the USSR and Russia is also suspect.

    However, I would not be surprised that the murder rate increases for a country coming out of a system of state terror. Democracy in China would increase the murder rate massively. I’m sure the murder rate in Nazi Germany was very small, as opposed to state sanctioned murder. Hence, I would not be surprised if Russia’s murder rate actually declines as Putin’s fascist regime tightens screws on that society.

    My point was merely to note that Russia’s society has its problems, just as the USSR’s did. The massive inequality of income is another thing about Russia that is under-appreciated. Sumlenny who grew up in Moscow comments about that – you see photos of shiny skyscrapers in Moscow and think that’s Russia. Just today I heard how groups of Russian (far east) soldiers shot at each other over looted washing machines and dryers in the occupied Kherson region. The FSB apparently moved in on those left standing.

    In other words, Putin’s implication that Russia is some kind of model for conservatives is far from the truth. Lies are Russia’s stock in trade and they are damned good at it.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    , @mulga mumblebrain
  238. @Ultrafart the Brave

    Martin Armstrong has stated that Socrates predicts another civil war followed by the breakup of the USA, starting sometime in 2023.

    Socrates reminds me of a fictional computer in Shea and Wilson’s Illuminatus trilogy back in the 1970s. The computer was called FUCKUP – First Universal Cybernetic- Kinetic-Ultramicro-Programmer. FUCKUP predicted trends by collecting and processing information about current developments in politics, economics, the weather, astrology, astronomy, the IChing, and technology.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  239. JackOH says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Just today I heard how groups of Russian (far east) soldiers shot at each other over looted washing machines and dryers in the occupied Kherson region. The FSB apparently moved in on those left standing.

    I think Prof. R. M. Morgan, author of Orderly and Humane, mentions a battle in 1945 between Soviet troops and enemy forces in the one-time Breslau. Soviets vs. German Army bitter-enders? No. Soviet troops fighting other Soviet troops over looting “rights” in Breslau’s shopping district.

    One can only imagine the frame of mind that has conquering troops believing a soon-to-be-defeated people on their last legs have a mess of consumer goods from which they need to be relieved.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  240. @Iris

    I’m not sure whether you intend that to have relevance to my challenge to Ron to do his best to get in touch with Sachs. You do not make it clear whether you support or oppose his even trying nor what your reasons might be.

  241. @Ron Unz

    Ron, I think you have caught methodological problem that I identified in my first reply to Iris on this thread. It is the problem of coming to conclusions when there are still a vast number of potential sources which might provide material which should affect your conclusions. Apparently you have remained unaware of a great deal of online informatuon available about infections and illness of athletes atvthe Wuhan games and their connections. You seem to think you have tapped enough sources of information to because to form an opinion and believe in it. I think D K. In particular has shown that to be wrong.

    Furthermore your confident assertions about contagiousness and its implications seem at best a great over statement. For over two and a half years in what amounts to a compound where perhaps 12 people frequently come and go, eat and sleep with little social distancing. In all I was mildly infected with Covid after 2.25 years. A rather unhealthy but active 80 year old woman has not been. Neither mother nor father, both of whom associate with a wide neteork of peple, nor daughter at university in a residentual college have caught Covid and only their 16 year old son as returned home for a week from his boarding school where many are infected, as he is. I see no evidence of a contagiousness which is inconsistent with a number if athletes having caught a nysterious disease which happened to be Covid 19, in Wuhan.

  242. @Tsar Nicholas

    FUCKUP predicted trends by collecting and processing information about current developments in politics, economics, the weather, astrology, astronomy, the IChing, and technology.

    How very interesting – fiction in the 1970’s becoming reality only a couple of decades later. I expect Martin Armstrong would be somewhat amused at the irony of this, seeing as how he was incarcerated and tortured by the CIA for a number of years in an effort to acquire his very real proprietary AI system for their own use.

    It begs the question – how many other flights of sci-fi fancy have discreetly crept into reality without the general public’s knowledge? That has particular relevance to the core subject of the parent article here, given the horrific revelations now coming to light of self-assembling nanotechnology being injected into people with the fake Corona Chan “vaccines”.

  243. D. K. says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    The younger the child, the greater the chance of her IQ score conflating an unusual maturation rate, whether hyper- or hypo-, with her actual native intelligence. Since the ceiling is essentially sixteen years of age, a twelve-year-old is only one-third of her age from the ceiling, while an eight-year-old is 100% of her age from the ceiling, and a four-year-old is 300% of her age from the ceiling. (The main reason that women are considered equally intelligent with men, besides ideological compulsion, is because most IQ data sets come from elementary schools, where children are captive audiences and ready guinea pigs. Since girls collectively mature faster than boys, and also are more compliant with school discipline, they have a testing advantage, in elementary schools, that they will lose by their late teens. Adult men appear to have a few-point advantage over adult women, IQ-wise, as well as greater score variation, meaning that there are far more male super-geniuses like Ron Unz, in adulthood, than there are female super-geniuses like Marilyn vos Savant.) If the girl in question was given the Cattell, rather than the Stanford-Binet (which then had a standard deviation of 16), her score would have been the equivalent to a 148 or 149 on the latter (leaving her one or two points shy of the genius mark of 150, on such a test). Regardless of the test taken, though, the conflation of native intelligence with the test-taker’s maturation level remains.

    I assume– because I cannot recall, from my days in Personality and Social Psychology (M.S., Purdue– forty years ago tomorrow!), anything to the contrary– that native intelligence and maturation rate are essentially independent variables. Ergo, I would expect all of those at any given level of g to have their childhood IQ scores normally distributed around a set IQ score, equivalent to what adults with that same level of g score on adult IQ tests. The bottom line, though, is that the purpose of childhood IQ tests are to find out how individual children should be taught, while they are still children. Adults who want to brag about how “superior” they are (that being an actual IQ range, either 120-129 or 121-130, depending upon the test scale), should invest in a professional IQ examination, and then live with the consequences. (They can keep getting retested, of course; but, IQ scores are not like bowling scores– where you get to spend the rest of your life bragging about your highest score, while never bothering to cite your lifetime average!) In all honesty, I wish that I had not started taking IQ tests on the Internet, twenty-five years ago, leading eventually to my taking the admission test for one of the many high-intelligence societies, when I was about fifty years old. Getting better results than I expected– albeit over a ridiculous range of fifty points!– has not been good for me.

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
  244. D. K. says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Sorry, I was slithering under my rock, or I would have responded to your query more quickly:

    https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Yanling-Huang-2035568207

    ***

    He demanded a sample of their virus used to determine the genetic code and requested answers on ‘the apparent disappearance of Huang Yanling, a scientist/researcher who worked in the Wuhan Institute of Virology but whose lab web presence has been deleted’.

    The young researcher was identified on social media as Patient Zero soon after the virus erupted in Wuhan. The institute denied she had come to any harm, insisting she had completed her studies and moved to another part of China.

    ***

    http://www.hideoutnow.com/2020/08/where-is-wuhan-virus-researcher-who-was.html

  245. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:

    Still pretending to be cutting edge while a year behind the good callouts and falling further behind.

    It’s not of “American” origin. All of the progenitor companies and organizations behind this are multinational. I know that doesn’t serve your propaganda purposes of distracting from which self-identified group owns those multinationals. You’re just going to kick the dog that is easy.

    We’re talking about Globalists here. Also self-identified or immediately descended from people who self-identified as you know whos, not because it’s genetic, but because it’s a protected class of pathological liars who traditionally join via self identification.

    They had the mRNA sequences they claimed were the detectable identifiers of Covid patented prior to 2016. Every last one of them.

    The patents were illegally obtained via bribes, and often questionably held by ostensibly givernment entities such as the CDC. Illegally obtained because you can’t legally patent preexisting/naturally occurring genetic material.

    Scoop up that trail and you’ll at least have caught up by six months. Otherwise you’ll continue to fall further behind until you get from irrelevant-but-still-provocative to irrelevant-and-boring. Kicking the dog that has been dead for over a century, and which your people killed, is not going to avail you much longer.

  246. @D. K.

    Bog standard disinfo, like the outright lies spread about the tennis player, Peng Shuai. Researchgate is an interesting set-up, publishing paedophile ‘research’ despite numerous protests, not respecting copyright, financed by Peter Thiel of all creatures etc. An easy disinfo propagator. The question is-are you credulous, or just another Sinophobe fanatic?

    • Replies: @D. K.
  247. @Wizard of Oz

    Your ‘friend’ is plainly, as expected, a fascist lunatic. To describe Russia and China as States under ‘State terror’ is deranged Banderite insanity, but you swallow it. The falling Russian murder rate is one of a country slowly emerging from a regime of ‘neo-liberal terror’ under Yeltsin, where the country was looted by oligarchs, the population immiserated, life expectancy fell and Mafias ruled the roost. Rather like Ukraine to today.
    There is NO evidence that Putin is a ‘fascist’. That I assume is just Banderite projection, nor is there any evidence that he is putting screws on society. The dwindling slime of traitorous pro-Western groups in Moscow and St. Petersburg are scuttling out of the country, a boon for Russia to be sure. Elsewhere Putin is still massively supported, and no amount of deranged lying can change that. And the old ‘just today’, a a meeting of Azov Battalion survivors no doubt, or at ?elensky’s latest coke-fueled press conference, or some other seance, to peddle lies-you really are growing ever more detestable in your fascistic rantings, Wizz. A true Liberal to your bootstraps. Peter Dutton needs your sage advice.

    • Agree: Iris, acementhead
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  248. @Wizard of Oz

    You’re the one who said that he was ‘..of Ukrainian ancestry’. That means, almost certainly, a descendant of those genocidal Banderite fascists who were settled here after WW2. Pure inherited Russophobe fascism, just the type I’d see you ‘befriending’.
    Of course Putin is popular. He ended Western organised economic looting under neo-liberal policies instituted by the Evil traitor Yeltsin. He has raised Russian standards of living, despite incessant Western aggression and sabotage, and, after the fascist putsch in Kiev in 2014, sanctions. In the non-Western world he is widely admired for standing up to Western aggression and arrogance, hence the few countries outside the West joining in the sanctions.
    Putin is a giant compared to the senile, dementing, crooked, corrupt, malignant buffoons running the West. The way he and his team have turned Western sanctions against the West has been masterful. One only hopes that he finds a capable successor to follow him, but certainly not the slimy Medvedev.

    • Agree: Iris, acementhead
    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  249. @Wizard of Oz

    You are clearly unhappy with the lack of respect you garner. Your anger is getting the better of you.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  250. Ron Unz says:
    @D. K.

    I did not say that you “regularly go around bragging about [your] IQ on this website or elsewhere;”

    I’m glad that’s clarified since that certainly seemed to be the implication of your remarks.

    does your reposting of a magazine article, elsewhere on the Internet, count?

    Given that my website is called The Unz Review, there’s naturally a section describing who I am, including links to various profiles of my background and activities from the Economist, the New York Times, Harvard Magazine, and other MSM publications, including the cover story in the New Republic you reference:

    https://www.unz.com/masthead/#who-is-ron-unz

    • Replies: @D. K.
  251. D. K. says:
    @Ron Unz

    N.B.: The link that I included was not to a reposting of that article here on your eponymous Web site.

    As for your reputedly putting your IQ score (one presumes the aforementioned 214 score from second grade!?!) on your resumes, in 1987:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co.

    In the apocryphal words of a world-famous clown (from an urban myth that was current during my own Chicagoland upbringing, in the 1960s): “That’s a Bozo no-no!”

  252. Ron Unz says:
    @D. K.

    I checked and you haven’t left a single comment on any of my articles in four years so it’s very possible you haven’t read any of them, including my many Covid articles. Based upon your remarks, it sounds like you’d been completely taken in by the vast amount of anti-China Internet propaganda that began circulating on social media suspiciously early, before almost anyone in the world was paying attention to some obscure disease outbreak in a Chinese city nobody had ever heard of. I discussed those matters at considerable length in my articles, and I suggest you take a look at those:

    https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/

    As already noted in my earlier comments, many athletes on various teams came down sick in Wuhan. One said that everyone in his apartment in Wuhan came down sick, followed by his family members. A Canadian athlete said that sixty members of his team were sick and isolated, on their flight back home to Canada.

    Around 9,000 foreign athletes were attending the Wuhan Games and it was the height of flu season, so it’s perfectly possible that many of them came down with the flu. But it’s virtually impossible that they were infected with Covid as you seem to believe.

    Based the later outbreaks elsewhere, public health authorities determined that without strong public health measures, Covid infections grow exponentially, with the number of victims generally doubling every 3-6 days, so increasing roughly 100x to 1000x each month. Obviously the spread of such infections is stochastic, and it’s perfectly possible a tiny handful of infected people won’t spread the disease and it will die out. But once a sufficient number are infected that statistics take over, you almost inevitably see that sort of exponential growth curve.

    You seem to believe that 60(!) Canadian athletes were infected and then returned home, without a single one of them spreading the disease. That is extraordinarily implausible. And if 60 Canadian athletes were infected, surely many, many hundreds of the other 9,000 participants were as well, and they all would have returned home at the end of October, touching off a huge wave of national outbreaks all across the world.

    Yet nothing like that happened anywhere. Based upon blood and wastewater analysis, there is absolutely no evidence that the Covid virus was found anywhere in the world during that period. Instead, the visible outbreaks all began 4-5 months later, around February or March, in most cases touched off by just one or two infected individuals.

    He demanded a sample of their virus used to determine the genetic code and requested answers on ‘the apparent disappearance of Huang Yanling, a scientist/researcher who worked in the Wuhan Institute of Virology but whose lab web presence has been deleted’.

    The young researcher was identified on social media as Patient Zero soon after the virus erupted in Wuhan. The institute denied she had come to any harm, insisting she had completed her studies and moved to another part of China.

    If you’d been reading my articles, you have known that almost two years ago I highlighted an absolutely outstanding 31,000 word investigative series on Covid that had been published in Quillette by Philippe Lemoine, a Cornell graduate student:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/31000-words-missing-from-the-atlantic-and-the-new-york-times-sunday-magazine/

    One of his articles included discussion of the absurd Internet rumors about “Huang Yanling” that were floating around on anti-China websites and shows how totally fraudulent some of the claims obviously were, and I suggest you read it:

    https://quillette.com/2020/09/02/the-china-syndrome-part-iii-wet-markets-and-biolabs/

    There was a massive very early outpouring of anti-China conspiracy-propaganda, which was one reason I quickly became so extremely suspicious about the true causes of the outbreak.

    Perhaps you’d already read the 150,000 words of material in all of these articles and simply disagree. But I think it’s much more likely that you haven’t read them and have instead have simply been taken in by the propaganda-hoax that dominated so much of the rightwing electronic and social media. If reading all these lengthy articles is too much for you, I strongly suggest that you watch one or two of my video interviews, which have now reached almost 900,000 views on Rumble:

    https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/#podcast-interviews

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @D. K.
  253. D. K. says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    “The question is-are [sic] you credulous, or just another Sinophobe [sic] fanatic?”

    No; anything else…?

  254. @A B Coreopsis

    Totally 100% wrong. I haven’t experienced anger for so many years I can barely imagine what it’s like. Indeed I realised some years ago that the only negative emotion I came near to and had to beware of was contempt – an unpleasant emotion to stain one’s personality.

    Sadly I wonder if Ron means all that he says on threads in demeaning language because I would not like to end up feeling contempt for him whom at worst I would like to balue as one of my clever eccentric friends and acquaintances.

  255. @Ron Unz

    Prima facie fair enough. But I’m not going to visit or revisit your old stuff to check whether it supports what you are now saying so I hope very much that D.K. does. He seems to be honest and balanced without a barrow to push. I regard myself as having a justified lack of any positive or presumptive belief in your US biowarfare theory so I will wait on any validation arising from new sources.

    • Replies: @Anon
  256. Ron Unz says:
    @D. K.

    He demanded a sample of their virus used to determine the genetic code and requested answers on ‘the apparent disappearance of Huang Yanling, a scientist/researcher who worked in the Wuhan Institute of Virology but whose lab web presence has been deleted’.

    Here’s an indication of how totally fraudulent the “Huang Yanling” story seems to be…

    Last year, several books were published by major journalists arguing that the Covid outbreak had resulted from the alleged Wuhan lab-leak, covered up by the Chinese government. I carefully read all these books and discussed them in a long article:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-confronting-covid-crimestop/

    Most of these journalists were fiercely hostile to China and some of the conspiracy theories they advanced were completely unsubstantiated and even ridiculous. One of them even suggested that Chinese officials had deliberately released Covid in Wuhan as part of an internal PRC power-struggle.

    But none of them mentioned the “Huang Yanling” story, which early on had been ubiquitous in anti-China circles. Presumably, that’s because they recognized it was so totally fraudulent that it would destroy their credibility.

    Instead of just blindly accepted every random thing you happen to read on the Internet, I strongly suggest that you read all of those books, along with my own articles, which take an absolutely contrary position.

    • Thanks: Iris
    • Replies: @D. K.
  257. dux.ie says:
    @Ron Unz

    > But early in 2020, there were other academic articles noting that East Asians had much higher concentrations of the ACE2 sites, therefore making them especially vulnerable to Covid. So there seem to be all sorts of conflicting biological factors, and we should focus on the empirical evidence.

    Yes. It should be consider in empirical as well as TOTAL biological context. The effects from SARSCOV2 can be break down in 5 stages, of which No. 5 is the crucial one that cause mortality. Infection can be mild or asymtomatic if the immune system DO NOT OVER-REACT AND KILL THE HOST.
    1. amount of inhaling SARS2 viral load
    2. SARS2 interaction with the antibody
    3. ease of entry into host cells for replication, i.e. number of ACE2 receptors
    4. efficiency of replication
    5. POSSIBLE OVER SENSITIVITY OF THE IMMUNE SYSTEM CAUSING GRAVE PROBLEMS.

    Meshing the SAAB dataset (https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/genetics-research/article/geographic-distribution-of-the-ace-ii-genotype-a-novel-finding/6DC14A0774C181C37981E5E732E92E45) of the fraction distributions of ACE2 from various population and the EMPIRICAL COVID mortality data from John Hopkin University, IT IS APPARENT THAT THE EFFECTS OF HIGHER ACE2 IS MORE THAN NEGATED BY OTHER BIOLOGICAL FACTORS. Yes, EastAsian are more easily infected BUT THE MORTALITY RATES ARE LOW.

    https://f1000research.com/articles/10-196/v1
    Most Japanese individuals are genetically predisposed to recognize an immunogenic protein fragment shared between COVID-19 and common cold coronaviruses

    A year into the pandemic, the accumulated number of COVID-19 deaths per million inhabitants in Japan is 45, which is >30 times fewer than in countries such as Italy (1465), the UK (1559), and the USA (1362) (on February 1st, 2021, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/). At least for the initial wave of the disease in the first half of 2020 the apparent low prevalence of COVID-19 was supported by finding specific antibodies in only ~0.1% of citizens of Tokyo in June 2020 (governmental report https://www.mhlw.go.jp/content/000648706.pdf) and minimal or even negative excess mortality rates until at least July 2020 (Yorifuji et al., 2021). These low numbers are quite surprising since the stringency of behavioral regulations to protect against COVID-19 have been less severe in Japan than in most Western countries (https://www.bsg.ox.ac.uk/research/research-projects/coronavirus-government-response-tracker; Hale et al., 2020). The surprise about the relatively low incidence of COVID-19 in Japan was captured well in the title of a BBC article on July 2020 “Coronavirus: Japan’s mysteriously low virus death rate” (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53188847)

    In short, (i) most Japanese individuals possess the MHC-I allele HLA-A*24:02 that presents a highly immunogenic SARS-CoV-2 T cell epitope VYI, (ii) in recent years many of them have been exposed to this epitope by HCoV-OC43 infection, and (iii) at the time of the first COVID-19 wave many of them had an elevated immune status of their respiratory tracts because of pollen allergy.

    Concluding remarks. The only CD8+ T cell epitope shared between CCCoVs and SARS-CoV-2 for which the immunogenicity was convincingly proven is the VYIGDPAQL peptide if presented by HLA-A*24:02. This MHC-I allele is found in the majority of the Japanese population and may help explain their surprising resistance to the virus.

    The genetic of Chinese is close to that of Japanese. From the Harvard HLA dataset,
    AFreq | Allele | Pop
    0.156 | HLA-A*2402 | CHB | Beijing Chinese
    0.089 | HLA-A*2402 | CEU | US White
    Chinese or Japanese pops have double the percentage of HLA-A*2402 which provide resistance to SARSCOV2 compare to US White.

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/12/11/national/riken-research-covid-19/
    A team of scientists at Japan’s government-backed Riken research institute studied the HLA-A24 molecule, which is found in around 60% of Japanese but only about 10% to 20% of people in Europe and the U.S. They then investigated the spike protein of the virus that causes COVID-19 and identified an antigen component, or epitope peptide, called QYI that binds to HLA-A24, activates the T cells and multiplies them. Basically, it signals to the body’s immune system that there is an intruder that must be fought off.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-021-02885-6#Abs1
    Identification of TCR repertoires in functionally competent cytotoxic T cells cross-reactive to SARS-CoV-2

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  258. Ron Unz says:
    @dux.ie

    Yes, EastAsian are more easily infected BUT THE MORTALITY RATES ARE LOW.

    Maybe. I just took a quick look at the Worldmeter Covid tables. I’m not necessarily saying they’re entirely accurate, but let’s use them as a benchmark:

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

    For Japan, deaths/infection is 0.25% and 0.12% for South Korea, which are certainly low compared to e.g. Britain, which is 0.8% or Germany which is 0.46%. But overwhelmingly Caucasian Australia is only 0.12%.

    So the rates seem to vary dramatically between racially-similar countries, and may be more heavily determined by the effectiveness of public health measures, vaccination rates, obesity, age-skew, and the particular variant that caused most of the infections.

    Reporting issues may also play an important role. For example, India reports only 500K Covid deaths, but most observers agree that the true figure is almost 10x greater.

  259. Anon[388] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Can you wait quietly? Please.

    • LOL: Wizard of Oz
  260. D. K. says:
    @Ron Unz

    “I checked and you haven’t left a single comment on any of my articles in four years so it’s very possible you haven’t read any of them, including my many Covid articles. Based upon your remarks, it sounds like you’d been completely taken in by the vast amount of anti-China Internet propaganda that began circulating on social media suspiciously early, before almost anyone in the world was paying attention to some obscure disease outbreak in a Chinese city nobody had ever heard of. I discussed those matters at considerable length in my articles, and I suggest you take a look at those….”

    I have read most of your long articles, over the past many years, including on your Covid-19 theory, Mr. Unz, and I rarely comment on them– just as I rarely comment on most of the other people whom I read regularly here on The Unz Review. The vast majority of my comments are at Steve Sailer’s blog, which I read quasi-religiously (although not most of the comments thereunto); and, even there, I often go for long periods without commenting at all. (I do not believe that I have left a comment at iSteve since last year– nor anywhere else on your site, this year, prior to this particular comment thread!?!) “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence,” as they say.

    Unlike many of your readers [supra], I am not easily taken in by claims that are not supported by evidence. As I have noted before, neither theories of a case nor arguments about those theories are themselves evidence. Even as a long-lapsed lawyer, I could now list countless evidentiary questions pertaining to your theory that you would be utterly unable to answer for me and your other readers.

    Something’s being theoretically possible is not evidence that it occurred. Someone’s having a motive for a crime is not evidence of his committing that crime– even if the fact of the crime, unlike here, is not in doubt. You are essentially accusing people, if not by name, of committing a monumental crime– deliberately releasing a potentially deadly pathogen among a civilian population, with the intent to injure and kill– without any actual evidence of those people (nor anyone else) having done the thing of which you are accusing them!

    “You seem to believe that 60(!) Canadian athletes were infected and then returned home, without a single one of them spreading the disease. That is extraordinarily implausible. And if 60 Canadian athletes were infected, surely many, many hundreds of the other 9,000 participants were as well, and they all would have returned home at the end of October, touching off a huge wave of national outbreaks all across the world.”

    I already discussed and explained this, above. You start with a false statement, and then you just keep on going….

    “If reading all these lengthy articles is too much for you….”

    This is precisely the type of condescension that I was referring to, earlier, as being typical of your style, Mr. Unz. If you should suppose that I earned four university degrees, a Phi Beta Kappa key, and a full graduate fellowship, among other academic honors, let alone practiced law for years, without my being able to read copious volumes of turgid prose, like your own, then you, like ‘Rick Blaine’ before you, have been misinformed.

    Oh, by the way, Bobby Kennedy was killed by a bullet to his brain, fired from his right-rear, at an upward trajectory and from virtually point-blank range– one to three inches from behind his right ear. The other two bullets that struck him (while another pierced his suit jacket without wounding him) also were fired from his right-rear, at an upward trajectory and from virtually point-blank range.

    Sirhan Sirhan opened fire from in front of the senator, was never standing closer than a few feet from his target, with the gun in his outstretched arm never closer than about a eighteen inches from the victim; Sirhan was tackled back onto a tabletop, after his second shot, by Kennedy’s celebrity bodyguards, and fired his last six bullets wildly into the room, piercing the ceiling tiles with one bullet and lodging another into the doorframe at the back of the room (from Sirhan’s perspective– i.e., the doorway that the candidate had entered the hotel pantry through, moments before the shooting). The eyewitness testimony is completely at odds with the official theory of the case; the autopsy findings are not in dispute, and the RFK postmortem is considered to be a textbook example of the art (whereas the JFK autopsy was quite the opposite).

    The neophyte security guard had hold of Senator Kennedy’s right arm with the guard’s own left hand, at the time of the shooting, and both fell backward onto the floor of the pantry, with Senator Kennedy inadvertently pulling off the guard’s clip-on tie. The guard admitted to pulling his gun, but denied firing it; he also denied using his personal gun, which matched the type of gun that killed the senator, rather than the gun issued by his new employer. The guard then quickly got rid of his personal gun, in the wake of the assassination, by selling it. The guard’s accidentally shooting his assigned VIP, while trying to return fire at Sirhan, as both the guard and the senator fell backward onto the floor, would be consistent with the autopsy findings. Despite his denials, there was testimony that there was a second shooter– and even one of the other shooting victims, a California politico, still maintains that Sirhan Sirhan’s shots did not kill Bobby Kennedy!

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Wizard of Oz
  261. D. K. says:
    @Ron Unz

    “But none of them mentioned the ‘Huang Yanling’ story, which early on had been ubiquitous in anti-China circles. Presumably, that’s because they recognized it was so totally fraudulent that it would destroy their credibility.”

    Meaning what . . . ? . . . that Huang Yanling does not exist, and never has existed? . . . that she was not a researcher at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, as of October 1, 2019? . . . that her list of academic papers that I linked to, above, is “totally fraudulent?” . . . that the Chinese authorities’ claim that she had finished her academic course of study and then moved elsewhere in China was a fake statement about a non-existent person? . . . that the alleged statement from her, in answer to the controversy, was faked by right-wing anti-Chinese activists in the United States, not by the Chinese authorities?

    As a Russian celebrity often noted: “Is a puzzlement!”

    “Instead of just blindly accepted [sic] every random thing you happen to read on the Internet, I strongly suggest that you read all of those books, along with my own articles, which take an absolutely contrary position.”

    If the former supposition were the case, Mr. Unz, I would be fully expected to swallow your loads whole, too, now wouldn’t I?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  262. @mulga mumblebrain

    Nazis have got a wind in their back from the Western support for Ukraine’s war against the Russian people and the old codger WizzofOzz himself has gone over to their side. UkroNazis, Croat Nazis, Nazi collaborators in Bosnia and Kosovo, Nazis in the Baltics, as another example shows

    https://www.rt.com/news/560160-latvia-destroy-soviet-soldiers-monument/

    are all on the rise. Still the Nazis in the West are doing next to nothing to defend their own countries from daily foreign invasions and seem to have found their calling as mercenary volunteers in the Ukraine where they’re promptly wiped out by Russian missiles. I’m still waiting to see these Nazis who profess to be nationalists defend their own nations instead of participation in aggression in foreign lands.

  263. @mulga mumblebrain

    Can you say any of this is reported in bad faith or even as honest mistake of fact?

    Reality of Ukraine war hidden from Fortress Russia –

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62331061.amp

    Please take note of

    I leave the village and head to the regional capital, Pskov. As I drive past a military base, the slogan on the poster outside catches my eye: “The borders of Russia never end!”

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Anon
    , @mulga mumblebrain
  264. Ron Unz says:
    @D. K.

    If you should suppose that I earned four university degrees, a Phi Beta Kappa key, and a full graduate fellowship, among other academic honors, let alone practiced law for years…

    You’re now reminded me of your tendency to endlessly brag about your academic honors and professional achievements.

    Over the years, I’ve left nearly 7,000 comments on this website totaling over 1.2 million words, and my articles and columns total another 1.2 million words. But I think that one paragraph of yours includes more bragging about your academic background and intellectual qualifications than can be found in almost everything I’ve written on this entire website.

    So I suspect “projection” may be the reason you seemed so convinced I constantly went around bragging about my IQ.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  265. Iris says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You should get a passport and travel outside, including outside of the intellectual backwater you enjoy so much.

    Russia is a country so big that they have trouble protecting their current territory and endless borders. It is a country so vast that hardly any Russian citizen gets to visit regions other than their own during their lifetime.

    Russia is not trying to increase her territory, she doesn’t need to, but to eliminate the threat of nuclear heads placed at its borders by the Globo-Zionist imperialists you support.

    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
  266. Ron Unz says:
    @D. K.

    “But none of them mentioned the ‘Huang Yanling’ story, which early on had been ubiquitous in anti-China circles. Presumably, that’s because they recognized it was so totally fraudulent that it would destroy their credibility.”

    Meaning what . . . ? . . . that Huang Yanling does not exist, and never has existed? . . . that she was not a researcher at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, as of October 1, 2019? .

    Well, if you’d followed my suggestion and read that outstanding 31,000 word series of articles by Lemoine that ran in Quillette during 2020, you’d have gotten the answer to that question, as indicated by this summary sentence:

    It is true that someone named Huang Yanling used to be a graduate student at the WIV, but nothing else about this story seems to be supported by any evidence.

    As Lemoine eventually concludes:

    So there is no real evidence that Huang Yanling had anything to do with the outbreak in Wuhan and, in fact, we have every reason to believe she stopped working at the WIV several years ago.

    In fact, Lemoine points out that the main National Review article promoting the Wuhan Lab-Leak/Huang Yanling theory seemed to deliberately falsify the evidence it was quoting.

    This is very likely the reason that none of the major books promoting the Wuhan Lab-Leak theory ever mentioned Huang’s name.

    Over the last couple of years, I’ve published close to 100,000 words on the Covid issue. Maybe you read some of them without ever leaving a single comment, and maybe you didn’t.

    But if you’re still touting the Huang Yanling Hoax long after everyone else has long abandoned it, you obviously didn’t read Lemoine’s lengthy Quillette series, nor probably the numerous other major articles I cited in my writing, nor the several books that were published last year, even though these last actually take your side of the Wuhan Lab-Leak debate.

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Yee
    , @D. K.
  267. It’s good to see that, despite these reams of hard research evidence, obvious time and statement comparisons, heavy circumstantial suggestion, dozens of loose ends in the pandemic narrative, and the word well and truly out “on the street” that the shit came from a lab, parts of the “mainstream media” are still running round like blue-arsed flies, desperately trying to run damage control for a lost cause. Part of that effort to control still comes in the form of newly-manufactured falsehoods, as per this genius at Yahoo who’s gone fully back to basics with the original and best “Huanan Seafood Market” smokescreen – thereby ignoring every piece of evidence Ron has painstakingly uncovered and put together over the past two years ! LMAO

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/heres-why-covid-didnt-come-from-a-chinese-laboratory-173121150.html

    And best of all, what an amazing surprise that one of the two “studies” mentioned in the link article, which purports to “prove” the Seafood Market origin and does nothing of the sort, was run by ((( Jonathan Pekar )) and ((( Joel Wertheim ))) . As if I couldn’t have guessed.

  268. @Quartermaster

    Sputnik is owned by the Putin regime and is one of their main conduits of propaganda.

    With you and meamjojo, your fellow Hasbara subversive, being in full accord about Sputnik, it must be a reliable source of information.

  269. annamaria says:
    @Justrambling

    Things are getting clearer: https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/08/ukraine-open-thread-2022-122.html#comments

    Work continues on the study of biological samples from Ukrainian soldiers who have voluntarily laid down their arms. … High concentrations of antibiotics were found in their blood, as well as immunological markers indicative of exposure to the renal syndrome and West Nile pathogens, which were being studied by the Pentagon as part of the Ukrainian UP-4 and UP-8 projects.

    Particular attention should be paid to the discovery of narcotic drugs, including opioids such as methadone, codepsin, codeterp, as well as ephedrine-type substances: t-phedrine and tri-phedrine, at positions abandoned by Ukrainian military personnel. A side effect of such addictive drugs is primarily excessive aggression.

    Since 2009, USAID [!] has funded the Predict programme, which has investigated new species of coronaviruses by capturing bats that carry the viruses. One of the contractors for the project was Metabiota [enters Hunter Biden the crackhead]. During the special military operation, documents were seized indicating that USAID and its main contractor, Labyrinth Ukraine, have been participating in the US military bioweapons programme since 2019.

    Labyrinth Ukraine is a division of the US company Labyrinth Global Health, and its founders are former employees of Metabiota, a key Pentagon contractor in the military-biological field. One of Labyrinth Global Health’s research areas has been the study of coronaviruses and monkeypox virus.

    “Barack Obama spearheaded setting up of dangerous bio-weapon lab in Ukraine, US President Joe Biden’s son Hunter Biden secured funding for it:” https://www.opindia.com/2022/03/baraka-obama-spearheaded-bio-weapon-lab-in-ukraine-hunter-biden-secured-funding-reports/

    Former President Barack Obama had pushed an arrangement to develop bio-weapon labs processing “especially dangerous pathogens” in Ukraine… The latest reports confirm that Washington was working with Kiev on dangerous pathogens in those labs authorised by former US President Barack Obama himself. The now-deleted report titled “Biolab Opens in Ukraine” gives details how Obama, while serving as an Illinois Senator, helped negotiate a deal to build a level-3 biosafety lab in the Ukrainian city of Odessa….

    The emails show Hunter Biden was particularly involved in Metabiota’s operations in Ukraine. Biden’s firm invested at least \$500,000 in Metabiota through their firm Rosemont Seneca Technology Partners. … Hunter Biden raised funds close to \$2.4 billion. …

    Meanwhile, the US government spending records show the Department of Defense awarded an \$18.4million contract to Metabiota between February 2014 and November 2016, with \$307,091 earmarked for ‘Ukraine research projects.’ The US-funded bio-weapon labs project has turned into a national security liability for Ukraine as Russian forces have uncovered these secret facilities run by the United States, exposing the nefarious designs of the US administration.

    Looks like the US-run Nazification of Ukraine went hand in hand with the development of bioweaponry by using Ukrainian as “human models.” The Zioinized USA has become addicted to crimes against humanity.

    • Thanks: acementhead, Iris
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  270. Yee says:
    @Ron Unz

    Huang Yanling has left WIV and the city since 2015. Both she and her current employer came out to deny she had covid or know anything about the outbreak. It was in February 2020. That’s why she wasn’t mentioned in any of the later articles.
    https://news.sina.cn/2020-02-16/detail-iimxxstf1890379.d.html?from=wap

    • Thanks: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  271. @annamaria

    Thanks. Like WWII Nazis high on meth. And their leader Zelenski a coke head, a druggie, like Hitler, or so it has been claimed.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @annamaria
  272. D. K. says:
    @Ron Unz

    “You’re [sic] now reminded me of your tendency to endlessly brag [sic] about your academic honors and professional achievements.”

    “No brag, just fact!” –‘Will Sonnett’

    I am not proud of my academic degrees; I am actually regretful, as I often have stated in comments on this Web site. I wasted the prime years of my life as a student, and most of that was to please someone else. “Cherchez les femmes!” When some asshole starts impugning my intellect, knowledge, and even my reading ability, however, I am entitled to assert undeniable evidence to the contrary, as you again had caused me to do, above.

    I have frequently referred to you as a “super-genius,” as above, even though your claim of a 214 IQ is ridiculous on its face, and based upon a childhood IQ score that you allegedly attained in the second grade. (If that is indeed the very same IQ score that you reputedly put on your resumes, almost twenty years later, then you are the one who should be embarrassed about your bragging– on top of the fact that it was illegal for First Boston to hire you because of any IQ score that you had claimed!) It is odd, however, that a super-genius was marginally older when he graduated from high school and college than I, a non-genius, was when I had done the same, five years earlier in each case!?!

    You, on the other hand, regularly denigrate me and any other commenter who dares to question the plausibility of your wild-eyed and evidence-free theories. For the record, I listened, this morning, to you narrate your original column on this issue, followed by my reading the next installment myself. Just as I had remembered, there was not a whit of evidence that you could place before a grand jury, let alone a petit jury in a criminal trial, even if you had someone(s), in particular, to charge with the criminal conspiracy that you are implying– which, of course, you do not! Why not use your pull, as a rich and successful Harvard alumnus, Mr. Unz, to put your case before a mock jury at the Harvard Law School? You would be lucky not to be laughed out of the room and the building….

    “Over the years, I’ve left nearly 7,000 comments on this website totaling over 1.2 million words, and my articles and columns total another 1.2 million words. But I think that one paragraph of yours includes more bragging about your academic background and intellectual qualifications than can be found in almost everything I’ve written on this entire website.”

    [MORE]

    Yes, and, in all undue modesty, you merely link to seven “Major Media Profiles” and five glowing blurbs about your “Meritocracy collection” from five of your fellow public intellectuals.

    https://www.unz.com/masthead/

    “So I suspect ‘projection’ may be the reason you seemed so convinced I constantly went around bragging about my IQ.”

    Why am I not surprised that you happen to subscribe, also, to a psychological precept propounded by the leader of a thoroughly debunked pseudo-scientific cult?

    Pro bono publico: You and Steve Sailer both need to work on your irritating habit of splitting your infinitives.

  273. Souza says:

    As said by Dostoievski: through a lie, we will achieve the truth.

    RT headline of 4 August 2022: ‘US may be complicit in emergence of COVID – Russian MoD’

  274. D. K. says:
    @Ron Unz

    “Well, if you’d followed my suggestion and read that outstanding 31,000 word [sic] series of articles by Lemoine that ran in Quillette during 2020, you’d have gotten the answer to that question, as indicated by this summary sentence….”

    I am not required, either by law or common courtesy, Mr. Unz, to read a suggested “31,000 word [sic] series of articles” on some other Web site before taking the simple measure of replying to one of your unsatisfactory replies to me.

    “Over the last couple of years, I’ve published close to 100,000 words on the Covid issue. Maybe you read some of them without ever leaving a single comment, and maybe you didn’t.”

    If you are implying that I have lied to you, whether above or elsewhere on this Web site, Mr. Unz, I have some pro bono legal advice for you: “VAFFANCULO!”

    “But if you’re still touting the Huang Yanling Hoax long after everyone else has long abandoned it, you obviously didn’t read Lemoine’s lengthy Quillette series, nor probably the numerous other major articles I cited in my writing, nor the several books that were published last year, even though these last actually take your side of the Wuhan Lab-Leak debate.”

    All I did was raise the issue of the woman’s current circumstances, and her yet-unknown opinion of the origin of the Covid-19 pandemic. Your claiming that I was thereby “touting the Huang Yanling Hoax long after everyone else abandoned it” is par for your particular course of discourse. As for my “side of the Wuhan Lab-Leak debate,” you have no idea which side of any such debate I might be on; all you know, as opposed to assume, is that I am quite sanguine that your theory is utterly full of shit.

  275. annamaria says:
    @Commentator Mike

    The rabid desire of western corporations to get access to the rich black soil of Ukraine is one of the explanations for the ongoing war and the enormous losses of Ukrainian lives. The fascists and Ziocons want to create “a land without a people” (Golda Meir). https://www.australiannationalreview.com/lifestyle/three-large-american-multinationals-bought-17-million-hectares-of-ukrainian-agricultural-land/

    Three large American multinationals bought 17 million hectares of Ukrainian agricultural land.

    These are Cargill, Dupont, and Monsanto (which is officially German-Australian but with American capital). Five percent of Ukrainian agricultural land was subsequently purchased by the Chinese state. For comparison, the whole of Italy has 16.7 million hectares of agricultural land.

    In short, three American companies bought more useful agricultural land in Ukraine than the whole of Italy. Among the main shareholders of these three companies are Vanguard, Blackrock, Blackstone. The usual suspects again…

    Mr. Ze follows his US handlers’ diktat religiously while selling Ukraine and Ukrainian lives to a higher bidder. https://www.ritimo.org/A-qui-profite-vraiment-la-creation-d-un-marche-des-terres-en-Ukraine

    [In 2021], Ukrainian President Zelensky has enacted a law on the deregulation of land relations. The government and international institutions have presented agricultural reform as a way to “unleash” the full potential of Ukrainian farmland by making the sector more attractive to international investors. But according to an April 2021 poll, this rhetoric is opposed by a large part of the Ukrainian people, with more than 64% of the population declaring themselves against the creation of an agricultural market. The Ukrainian state’s agricultural reform law will make access to land more difficult for farmers. …

    Many small-scale farmers will not be able to buy much land until 2024, because of high prices, but also because many are already struggling financially and in debt. … According to the Ukrainian Rural Development Network based in Kiev, “most of the privatized land is leased by large commercial farms for years to come,” so the land will not even be not available for sale for the benefit of independent farmers until 2024, when they will start to face competition from large groups – knowing that the latter will always have the financial capacity to prevail.

    Due to rampant corruption and a weakened rule of law, seeing smallholders generally deprived of legal means to assert their rights in the face of growing competition from agricultural companies is a widely shared fear. For many citizens, the main concern with this law is that it could allow foreigners to acquire land illegally, for example, by creating a Ukrainian company that would serve as a front, taking advantage of loopholes in the judicial framework and regulations. Several of the most important contracts in Ukraine recently have been concluded by foreign companies who may try to circumvent the new law in order to obtain a title deed.

    The entire area of Ukraine is 600,000 sq. km; 170,000 sq. km is 28% of all the land in Ukraine. The war has been waged for the benefit of banksters and multinational fascist corporations like Vanguard, BlackRock, StateStreet.

    “BlackRock and Vanguard: The same shady people own Big Pharma and the Media:” https://noqreport.com/2021/06/15/blackrock-and-vanguard-the-same-shady-people-own-big-pharma-and-the-media/

    • Thanks: Iris, Commentator Mike
  276. annamaria says:
    @Commentator Mike

    The “moral eunuchs” and whores in the UK Parliament want to sound important by making noises about the alleged violations of the Geneva Conventions by a journalist. There are no honorable people in the UK Parliament and government anymore.

    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
  277. Anon[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    The BBC? FFS! I watch it just so I can count the number of outright lies in every single broadcast. I hadn’t considered that it’s possible to have even less respect for you now than previously.

    The BBC is probably the main reason why most Britons have their heads so far up their arses and the ABC works the same magic on Australians, you consuming both of them with relish explains the deeper still penetration of your own echo-chamber head up your own fat arse.

    • Agree: Towey
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Towey
  278. @Yee

    Here’s an irritating but not really trollish quibbling question. How many (hudreds) of Huang Yanlings would there be in China?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  279. @D. K.

    You radically misconceive Ron’s interest in punishing the wicked. He intends nothing so demeaning as trials before a collection of deplorable. He runs Royal Commissions in his mind and publishes the often defamatory privileged findings. As Czar, Kaiser, King he can be sure that the appointment of Commissioner follows the old rule that you don’t appoint a Com.issioner without knowing the result.

    *** *** ***

    BTW. What were you fingerings as “pseudoscientific”. Was it the concept of projection?

    • Replies: @D. K.
  280. @Anon

    What a pathetic advertisement of intellectual deficiency!. You don’t like or respect the BBC so it can never produce something which is true and honest. If you have a regular moniker it is easy to see why you deploy Anon for such idiocy.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  281. Anon[364] • Disclaimer says:

    The pathetic advertisement of intellectual deficiency that should concern you the most is the one that allows you to accept as factual the repeated dishonesty in the reporting of important events by the BBC and the ABC.

    Did you get your fourth booster shot yet? Hurry, there are still some left.

    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
  282. Ron Unz says:
    @D. K.

    You seem strangely obsessed with my IQ. I think over the last couple of days you’ve devoted more words to the topic than the combined total of everyone else on this website since the day it was launched.

    “Over the last couple of years, I’ve published close to 100,000 words on the Covid issue. Maybe you read some of them without ever leaving a single comment, and maybe you didn’t.”

    If you are implying that I have lied to you, whether above or elsewhere on this Web site, Mr. Unz, I have some pro bono legal advice for you: “VAFFANCULO!”

    You seem a very quarrelsome and opinionated individual and you’ve left 15 comments on this one article because you were so convinced that my Covid analysis was incorrect.

    Since early 2020, I’ve probably published 40-odd articles and columns on the Covid epidemic, totaling perhaps 100,000 words. Glancing at your Commenter Archive, it looks like you’ve left well over 600 comments during that same period, but not a single one of these was on any of my articles. That reasonably leads me to suspect that you probably hadn’t read almost any of them, though perhaps you glanced at a few paragraphs here and there.

    The fact that you were still promoting the ridiculous Huang Yanling Hoax long after everyone else had abandoned it suggests that you hadn’t been paying any attention to the Covid origins issue, even aside from my articles.

    Perhaps your legal background is as impressive as you endlessly proclaim, but you clearly don’t seem to have an intuitive grasp of public health issues or epidemiology. If many dozens or even hundreds of individuals were infected with an ultra-contagious disease at the Wuhan Games, gigantic outbreaks would have occurred all around the world within a month or two after they returned home. The fact that you never recognized this obvious reality demonstrates that you never read my articles or even discussed the matter with anyone having a little common sense.

    For the record, I listened, this morning, to you narrate your original column on this issue, followed by my reading the next installment myself. Just as I had remembered, there was not a whit of evidence that you could place before a grand jury, let alone a petit jury in a criminal trial, even if you had someone(s), in particular, to charge with the criminal conspiracy that you are implying– which, of course, you do not!

    The sort of investigation performed by intelligence analysts, national security experts, or historians is very different from that of prosecutors or trial lawyers.

    If you’d bothered reading my articles or my associated comments, you’d know:

    (1) There’s very strong evidence that elements of the American government were very likely behind the Covid attack on China (and Iran).

    (2) There’s no way of knowing who in particular was involved. Mike Pompeo or John Bolton seem the most obvious suspects, but that’s pure speculation.

    Since you don’t seem inclined to bother reading my articles, you might as well take a look at a few paragraphs of my summary analysis, or even just watch one or two of my video interviews, which lay out much of the crucial information:

    https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/#summary-analysis



    Video Link



    Video Link

  283. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    How many (hudreds) of Huang Yanlings would there be in China?

    I very much doubt that there were two different Huang Yanlings who were both working the Wuhan Institute of Virology during the period in question.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  284. @Ron Unz

    I absolutely agree but I wonder if the commenter I replied to had firmed up the link between the alibi and the Huang Yanling who had been at WIV. Just a small quibble.

  285. @Ron Unz

    (2) There’s no way of knowing who in particular was involved. Mike Pompeo or John Bolton seem the most obvious suspects, but that’s pure speculation.

    Cui bono? Neither Mike Pompeo nor John Bolton would have had much to gain by the Covid attacks. If either were involved, it was likely in the same capacity they were involved in anything else–ignorant Christian Zionist puppets slavishly doing the bidding of their Israeli bosses.

    One entity that certainly profited from Covid was Pfizer. The main shareholders of Pfizer–Vanguard Group Inc., BlackRock Inc., and State Street Corp.–are the same crew currently profiting off the Russia/Ukraine war as detailed in another article on this site.

    I’ve argued elsewhere on this site that the dual purpose of the Covid attacks was to foment enmity between the US and China and to implement the global vaccination program. The vaccines could easily be the modern version of the charge so often leveled against Jews in the past of “poisoning the well.” Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla, the “son of Holocaust survivors,” received a doctorate in the biotechnology of reproduction. Could the vaccines be a mass sterilization? There are such rumblings out there.

    My guess is the particular persons involved will be found in a nexus between the State Dept, the Dept of Defense, and Vanguard, BlackRock, and State Street.

  286. @Wizard of Oz

    Of course the BBC produces ‘true and honest’ gardening shows, most of its documentaries, broadcasts of The Proms etc. But in politics-no, they produce ONLY Imperial agit-prop, now so hysterically dishonest as to be laughable.

    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
  287. @Wizard of Oz

    The BBC???!!! You must be fecking joking, surely? The BBC is an open sewer of lies and disinformation regarding Ukraine. How’s that ‘Counter-offensive in Kherson’ going? Are you REALLY this stupid, or fatuously credulous? It’s a loyalty test is it? You yearly dues at the IPA and the Philip Lynch Memorial Theme Park due, are they?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  288. JM says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Let the Unz audience be the judge:

    Gordon Brown calls Labour supporter a “bigoted woman”

    This should let all know – were that necessary for most – that both the anti-White, anti-Australian, Chinese agent of unknown background (‘mulga mumblebrain’) and Brown, are, politically speaking, PsOS.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  289. @Ron Unz

    I submit this with some apprehension to you and D.K. but it was sent to me by one of my sisters who got first class honours in both Pure and Allied maths (4 3 hour papers) at Matriculation Level (say 1st year A Level in UK) aged 15.

    And itt is likely to tell you something important (at least to many peoplel you may not have been fully informed about converting Covid 19. My clever device and Dr Google turned it into a female voiced podcast for me but I think I got-it as my Google ASsistant says

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2022-07-29/covid-19-three-myths-challenge-lies-ahead/101274980

    Moral: don’t think you’ve got away with it or that vaccine makers are smarter than the mutating bug.

    And she also forwarded this

    Habitual mask-wearing is likely helping Japan, Singapore and South Korea bring daily Omicron deaths down, epidemiologists say
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-01/japan-singapore-south-korea-omicron-wave-and-mask-wearing-impact/101266844

  290. JM says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Apart from questioning the “1M dead from ‘covid’ – official – figure”. I’d also differ on this:

    Moreover, notwithstanding the apparent release of some sort of targeted pathologic agent simultaneously in several locations around the planet, a major part of the fake “pandemic” exercise seems to have been catalysing global acceptance of eugenic bioweapon injections marketed as “vaccines”. Again, all the unheeded warning signs and clues are embedded in the historic records. We are now seeing the consequences of that effort in the huge spike in all-cause mortality across Western nations since the fake “vaccines” were injected en masse (eg, +22% in Australia, +44% in the USA).

    I’d say that much/most of this variation could be explained as an effect of the Lockdowns/masking/restricted movement/generally retarded human intercourse, restricting the flow of viruses/bacteria/pathogens in general among human and animal populations, all critical to developing immunity to ALL new (and old) strains of pathogens. Hence with the lifting of these restrictions, people are far more vulnerable to disease than they were in the datum period. As well. the seriously retarded health provisions associated with the ‘Covid’ – exercise – would also play a predictable part in the current spike in mortalities.

  291. @D. K.

    I don’t recall all the detail you give about where all the bullets came from and went to when RFK was killed. But I do remember a version in which the security heard who shot the fatal bullet was no neophyte but/and was an enemy of the Kennedys, not that I gave that any credence.

    I note, with some pleasure, that you have cast indirect light on the JFK assassination by greatly reducing the probability that RFK was killed to stop him, as President, having JFK’s murder reinvestigated.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    , @D. K.
  292. D. K. says:
    @Ron Unz

    “You seem strangely obsessed with my IQ. I think over the last couple of days you’ve devoted more words to the topic than the combined total of everyone else on this website since the day it was launched.”

    Did you put your (purported) IQ on your resumes, in 1987, Mr. Unz, as the magazine article that you yourself choose to highlight on your “masthead” page (as well as elsewhere on the Web) claims that you did? If so, what IQ score did you claim, and were you aware, then, that it was illegal for potential employers to hire you based (in whole or in part) on an IQ score, as it had been since 1971? I would say that someone who put(s) his (purported) IQ score on his resumes, even if he’s woefully ignorant of the legal implications of his doing so, has some noteworthy degree of fascination with his own supposed brilliance, even if his understanding of the basics of psychometrics is as poor as his understanding of American Employment Law.

    “You seem a very quarrelsome and opinionated individual and you’ve left 15 comments on this one article because you were so convinced that my Covid analysis was incorrect.”

    I have left however many comments on this thread as I have because I have replied to (most of the) people who have replied to me. Had you and the others not replied to me– most of you negatively, and some of you hostilely– I would have left only the first comment, which, as I noted above, I believe was the first comment that I had left, this calendar year, on this entire Web site, despite my reading it on virtually a daily basis. Your calling me, or any other commenter, “very quarrelsome and opinionated” is in the heart of pot-meets-kettle territory, Mr. Unz. You also seem to have no problem, at all, with your own “dittoheads” being not only “very quarrelsome and opinionated” but outright defamatory, so long as they remain your own faithful disciples.

    “Since early 2020, I’ve probably published 40-odd articles and columns on the Covid epidemic, totaling perhaps 100,000 words. Glancing at your Commenter Archive, it looks like you’ve left well over 600 comments during that same period, but not a single one of these was on any of my articles. That reasonably leads me to suspect that you probably hadn’t read almost any of them, though perhaps you glanced at a few paragraphs here and there.”

    I told you that I had read most of your long articles, over the many years that you have operated this eponymous Web site, Mr. Unz, including your Covid-19 articles of the past couple of years. You then implied that I was lying, based solely on the fact that I rarely comment on your articles, and I let you know how unhappy I am to be called a liar. Now, here you are again, making an even stronger claim that I am lying, using the same autistic metric. For the third time, I never lie on the Internet, because I have no need to do so; I rarely– and I mean rarely, not merely seldom– lie in real life, where it often would be in my interest to do so. That is the essential core that I took away from my upbringing as a devout Roman Catholic, despite my unfortunately losing the Faith in my twenties.

    When a visiting niece, who is a nurse, and who had had a very nasty case of Covid-19, as a result, implored me to get vaccinated, I surprised her (and everyone else in the room) by letting her know that I was vaccinated. When she replied that she hoped that that was true, my sister, who had no idea that I had recently gone and gotten vaccinated, without telling either family or friends, immediately said, “If he says that he got vaccinated, then he got vaccinated.” That is my reputation among my family, my friends and my former colleagues. I have a lot of faults– which I am, more often than not, the first to admit and to bring up– but dishonesty is not one of them. I wonder who else here can say the same with both a straight face and his fingers uncrossed….

    [MORE]

    “The fact that you were still promoting the ridiculous Huang Yanling Hoax long after everyone else had abandoned it suggests that you hadn’t been paying any attention to the Covid origins issue, even aside from my articles.”

    I already addressed this fatuous claim by you, Mr. Unz; yet, here you repeat it, as if I had not. Is that because you are autistic, or just because you yourself are the intellectually dishonest one? (Fortunately for you, I will not accuse you of the pseudo-scientific Freudian fraud of “projection!”)

    “Perhaps your legal background is as impressive as you endlessly proclaim, but you clearly don’t seem to have an intuitive grasp of public health issues or epidemiology. If many dozens or even hundreds of individuals were infected with an ultra-contagious disease at the Wuhan Games, gigantic outbreaks would have occurred all around the world within a month or two after they returned home. The fact that you never recognized this obvious reality demonstrates that you never read my articles or even discussed the matter with anyone having a little common sense.”

    I have never referred to my legal background as “impressive,” Mr. Unz. Indeed, I have elsewhere on this site explained how I unfortunately fell into practicing law, due to exigent circumstances, despite my previous intentions–before, during, and immediately after law school– of never practicing law. That is precisely why I earned an M.B.A., while practicing law in downtown Seattle, retired from active practice, and eventually, in 2001, resigned from the Bar altogether. I have noted this history elsewhere on your Web site– not to brag about how “impressive” my legal career had been, but to demonstrate just how flukish and regrettable that career had been to me.

    As for your own “intuitive grasp of public health issues or epidemiology”:

    “I have no background in microbiology let alone biological warfare, so I would be hopelessly adrift in evaluating such conflicting scientific and technical claims.”

    Yes, Mr. Unz, you clearly are “hopelessly adrift” in doing so, and your preternatural verbosity is still insufficient to shield that reality from your discerning readers (however few and far between we might be).

    As for the remainder of your paragraph, you autistically repeat the same inapt argument, despite my already explaining, multiple times, why sick athletes returning home from Wuhan, in late-October 2019, would not have caused major outbreaks in their hometowns, akin to those that subsequently broke out, the following winter, through super-spreader events at ski resorts and the like. Your belief that Covid-19 is, or ever was, some super-disease, whose “super-spread” was fundamentally different from every similar virus that had preceded it, is simply a delusion. Your inability to grasp this fact leads you, once again, to claim that I am lying. “Wash-Rinse-Repeat!”

    The crux of the matter, Mr. Unz, is that your own admittedly amateurish understanding of microbiology, public health and epidemiology has been shown for what it was and is. Your fulsome embrace of the alarmist and totalitarian reactions of your beloved Chinese Communist Party, and the Western governments that then opportunistically followed in its wake, are precisely the overarching world crisis of the past two and a half years:

    https://michaelpsenger.substack.com/p/the-dragnet-in-lombardy-italy-patient

    You and your fellow totalitarian technocrats, Mr. Unz, are the very disease to which you all purport to be the cure.

    “The sort of investigation performed by intelligence analysts, national security experts, or historians is very different from that of prosecutors or trial lawyers.”

    You are none of those people, Mr. Unz. Your Harvard degree no more makes you an historian than my Purdue degree does. (You may commiserate with fellow Harvard alumni Michael Beschloss and Doris Kearns Goodwin, neither of whom has earned a degree in History, even at the undergraduate level.)

    “If you’d bothered reading my articles or my associated comments….”

    There you go, yet again, accusing me of lying.

    “(1) There’s very strong evidence that elements of the American government were very likely behind the Covid attack on China (and Iran).

    “(2) There’s no way of knowing who in particular was involved. Mike Pompeo or John Bolton seem the most obvious suspects, but that’s pure speculation.”

    If there is “very strong evidence,” Mr. Unz, you showed remarkable restraint in not printing any of it in your many articles on the issue. If the United States Government, or rogue elements thereof, set off a biowarfare attack in China (and/or Iran), then there are ways to track down who did it. Someone would had to have done so, and who it was in China, when and where, could be reconstructed, much like the Federal Government has tracked down every innocent grandmother who was ushered into the United States Capitol by the Capitol Police, on January 6, 2021.

    All you do, Mr. Unz, in your 100,000 (or whatever) words on the subject, is to theorize and speculate, while discussing distant history that is, at best, tangential to your theory. That someone claims that the United States used biowarfare in Korea, seventy years ago, during a war, is not evidence that the United States, or anyone therefrom, unleashed a respiratory virus in China, with whom we are not at war, in 2019. Your belief that it is just demonstrates that you are unfit to be either an historian or an attorney. You should have stuck to black holes, or to some other obsession for which you have some natural affinity.

    “Since you don’t seem inclined to bother reading my articles, you might as well take a look at a few paragraphs of my summary analysis, or even just watch one or two of my video interviews, which lay out much of the crucial information….”

    For the umpteenth time, you accuse me of lying. Fuck you, asshole!

  293. JM says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Are you Jewish? Your criticism sounds very in-house to me. Ethnicity, though not always decisive, as e.g. Ron Unz’s diverse assessments/opinions indicate, is always an important factor in the serious kind of debates raised here.

  294. D. K. says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “BTW. What were you fingerings as ‘pseudoscientific’. Was it the concept of projection?”

    I was alluding, more broadly, to the pseudo-scientific cult of Psychoanalysis (a.k.a. ‘Freudianism’):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection#Psychoanalytic_developments

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  295. Yevardian says:
    @D. K.

    Pro bono publico: You and Steve Sailer both need to work on your irritating habit of splitting your infinitives.

    Just came across this scrolling through Ron Unz’s comments for something interesting, though unforuntunately, Our Benevolent Overlord is still spending too much time responding to covid-denialists, morons, cranks and pedants such as yourself.

    Complaining about split infinitives is the sure sign of a pretentious bore. You know one of the most grevious culprits for split infinitives? Shakespeare. The grammatical precept originally derives from the romance languages anyway, and practically never corrupts a sentence’s meaning in a language like English, a reliable sign of a rule’s irrelevance.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  296. @mulga mumblebrain

    You are sounding as stupid as the anon I criticised for leaping from a personal adverse judgment on the BBC as a whole to refusing to accept that it is even possible that one reporter and one producer or editor might combine to produce a report like that which was a conscientious attempt to report the truth.

    It seems your ignorance extends to the people at the BBC. I have known a lot of them. Indeed close family members have been reporters, producers, chiefs of staff, foreign bureau chiefs etc. They would react with outrage at any attempt to corrupt their objective professionalism.

    Would you like to pit your money wher your mouth is and axxept my challenge by betting \$10,000 that you can prove within three years some substantial falsehood or plain error in that BBC story? Steve Sailer, say, to be judge.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  297. @D. K.

    Good. I’m glad you weren’t maligning the balance or honesty of my fact oriented friend Steve Sailer.

  298. @tiger_road

    No need to wait for 100 years; after the fall of the Soviet Union, many secrets of the Communist regime came out. Similarly, after the economic collapse of the present American regime, we may all get to learn about some of the horrible things they did to the human society, provided that

    1. we survive a possible nuclear war unleashed by the western oligarchs, and

    2. the collapse was so sudden the 17 agencies had no time to destroy the evidence.

  299. D. K. says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    The security guard just had taken the job, to supplement his income, as I recall, and the evening of June 4, 1968– Primary Election Night in California– was literally his first night on the job for the security company that just had hired him.

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
  300. @Yevardian

    This is the type of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put.

    A genuine Churchill witticism I like to think😉

  301. @Wizard of Oz

    Stop blathering, Wizz. The BBC is a tool of the British Establishment and to argue otherwise is either a sign of loyalty to the Five Eyes Gods Upon the Earth (you might be a lesser semi-divinity, I suppose, perhaps a satyr)or of dementia. The BBC coverage of Ukraine has been 1000% biased and propagandistic, dishonest and, latterly, hysterical, as their Nazi friends get crushed.

    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  302. @JM

    Yes, JM, but she was acting as a female bigot. I suppose you share her bigotry, so see it differently.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @JM
  303. Anon[496] • Disclaimer says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    What a pity that “bigoted” woman isn’t in the running for the role of PM instead of that Truss bimbo.

  304. @mulga mumblebrain

    The BBC coverage of Ukraine has been 1000% biased and propagandistic, dishonest and, latterly, hysterical

    You or your team have time to notice far more BBC content than I so please proffer say 5 or 10 cases to justify your generalisation.

    as their Nazi friends get crushed.

    Please provide your personally accepted evidence for both the description “Nazi friends” and that they or any Ukrainians are getting crushed.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  305. JM says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Only a twisted freak like you, shitfa, would assess the episode in that way. You’ll use any lies to undermine European nationality.

    • Agree: Towey
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  306. @Wizard of Oz

    You appear to have left reality far behind. Your Ukronazi idols are now sending 75 year olds into the meat-grinder. How’s that ‘Kherson counter-attack’ going. Two holes in a railway bridge?
    ‘Nazi friends’ means real Nazis, direct descendants of WW2 Banderite butchers, their bodies covered with Nazi tattoos, with whom you are on plainly friendly terms. It’s quite simple. As for BBC bias-it is raw and vitriolic, and present in EVERY BBC broadcast concerning Ukraine-to deny it is a sure sign of moral insanity or dementia. Give me ONE example of an even-handed BBC broadcast re. Ukraine.

    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
  307. @JM

    Being a racist bigot is NOT part of ‘European nationality’, you buffoon. It is indicative of racist bigotry, which is multinational and universal among humanity’s lowest specimens.

    • Replies: @Anon
  308. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Why is the woman a bigot for simply stating that there are too many immigrants in Britain when actually, there are way too many immigrants in Britain? She works for the council, her people. She stated her concerns for her grandchildren’s future. The immigrants, many from vastly different cultures and with vastly different values, drive scarcity in housing, healthcare, education and employment. Did I mention the crime?

    You may call her a bigot but anyone with a sound core would consider her a real treasure.

    Bliar/Brown are scum, BTW.

  309. D. K. says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    P.S. According to his aides, RFK was very much intending to get to the bottom of his big brother’s assassination, in the unlikely event that Bobby ever became president. As even his campaign manager later admitted, Kennedy’s only chance of even becoming his party’s nominee, in 1968, was to convince Hubert Humphrey’s convention delegates to renege wholesale on their commitments to vote for the Vice President, at the Party’s upcoming national convention. The widespread belief, ever since June 6, 1968, that RFK had been a virtual shoo-in for both the nomination and the presidency, as a result of his win in the California Democratic Primary, is nothing but a myth created by the media and the pro-Kennedy wing of the Democratic Party establishment. It was a far different nomination process, back in 1968, than it now has become, early in the 21st Century; Vice President Hubert Humphrey, not (junior) Senator Robert Kennedy, had the Democratic Party establishment behind his nomination, with the majority of the convention delegates still not chosen as a result of primary elections, in 1968.

    Here is a book that I can recommend, despite its frustratingly amateurish editing:

    It puts forth evidence for a theory of why JFK was assassinated, and why the conspirators required that that be done by a date certain. Whether or not one buys the assassination theory put forth by the authors, the book makes clear that (a) RFK was intent on belated justice for his “martyred” brother, if and when Bobby became president, and (b) his campaign manager knew that RFK’s nomination over Hubert Humphrey was still only a long-shot possibility, despite the senator’s win in California.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Wizard of Oz
  310. Iris says:
    @D. K.

    It puts forth evidence for a theory of why JFK was assassinated, and why the conspirators required that that be done by a date certain.

    This is already known from the release of JFK’s correspondence with Israeli leadership, and it is not a “theory”.

    JFK was killed in November 1963, just one month before his nuclear inspectors were scheduled to inspect the Israeli Dimona nuclear reactor. By that time, they would have discovered that, unknown to the American government, Dimona had already secretly gone live in July 1963 in order to hide some of its key features and its weapon-producing real intent. American presidential hellfire would have fallen over Israel.

    But fortunately for Israel, a (((( miracle )))) happened and a (((( lone gunmen )))) murdered JFK just one month before the fatal deadline.

    https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/nuclear-vault/2019-05-02/battle-letters-1963-john-f-kennedy-david-ben-gurion-levi-eshkol-us-inspections-dimona#:~:text=The%20Battle%20of%20the%20Letters%2C%201963%3A%20John%20F.,be%20%E2%80%9CSeriously%20Jeopardized%E2%80%9D%20Absent%20Inspection%20of%20Dimona%20Reactor

  311. Towey says:
    @Anon

    The BBC and the NHS, the two sacred cows of postwar Britain, have been weaponised to destroy the very people who have funded them for the past eighty years or more.

  312. @D. K.

    Thanks. I might even be prompted to follow up Iris’s response which tells me of dates I hadn’t heard about and might be significant. I have withdrawn from my earlier prima facie view that people like Abb Eban could and would have ruled out assassinating a US President in 1963.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  313. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:

    I can only see here those who speculate on corpses or just run to the smell of corpses, because no matter how many articles or posts will appear, nothing will ever change as long as Soros and his comrades rule the world.

  314. @Wizard of Oz

    Come on Wizz-creatures like Eban, a truly pompous, supremacist, racist prick, would not have been ‘in the loop’ for such a dangerous operation.

  315. Yes, that’s what I thought likely. What did you think was my view?

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