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Several years ago during the height of the Edward Snowden/NSA spying scandal, Glenn Greenwald was sometimes described as the world’s most famous journalist. I think that characterization was probably correct, at least if we exclude Julian Assange from consideration.

The American government has emphatically denied that Assange was ever a journalist, now working to prosecute him for espionage and sentence him to life in a maximum security prison. Meanwhile, it did grudgingly concede that protective status to Greenwald. So the fates of the two most famous figures who revealed American crimes to the world sharply diverged, and the year after Assange was forced to desperately seek asylum in the Ecuadorian embassy in London and begin his long period of miserable confinement to a single room, Greenwald made worldwide headlines as founding editor of a lavishly-funded new journalistic enterprise that captured the imagination of the world.

That venture was First Look Media, established by Tech billionaire Pierre Omidyar, who pledged $250 million in financial support. Its first and only visible project has been The Intercept, an outlet intended to provide a home for fearless investigative journalism, free from the pressures and dishonest compromises so often found in traditional media outlets. Greenwald’s two fellow founding editors were Laura Poitras, an award-winning documentarian who had collaborated on the Snowden project, and Jeremy Scahill, whose best-selling books had lacerated the American crimes committed during our disastrous Iraq War, focusing especially upon the huge growth of international mercenary outfits, now euphemistically styled as “military contractors.”

Numerous other veteran journalists also soon eagerly came on board at a time when so many of American’s traditional media outlets were losing their advertising revenue to the Internet, resulting in crippling waves of layoffs and cut-backs. Backed by such enormous and apparently disinterested financial support, The Intercept seemed poised for an extremely bright future.

Unfortunately, the reality has been quite different. Creating a successful media outlet is a far more difficult and complex undertaking than merely hiring experienced journalists and providing them with heavy funding. Late last week Greenwald announced his resignation from The Intercept, explaining that the top editorial staff had repeatedly blocked him from publishing his lengthy article analyzing the huge corruption-scandal now swirling around Democratic Presidential candidate Joe Biden.

Greenwald was thus forced to abandon the high-profile publication that he himself had co-founded in order to regain his journalistic freedom, and that irony was hardly lost upon many other independent Internet voices, including his former colleague Matt Taibbi, Yves Smith of the Naked Capitalism blog, and the Moon of Alabama blogger.

Greenwald himself explained the situation in his scathing letter of resignation. According to him, in recent years The Intercept had increasingly abandoned its original stated mission and instead become more and more indistinguishable from all the other left-leaning publications on the Internet, adopting a fiercely partisan party-line and demonstrating Procrustean tendencies to shape its journalistic output in support of its ideological goals and favored candidates. The large crew of New York editors eventually brought on board tended to measure their success by the accolades they attracted from mainstream outlets while they lived in fear of Twitter denunciations. As a result, they soon came to closely resemble the establishmentarian media that their publication had originally been created to challenge. They and most of their mainstream media peers regarded the defeat of Donald Trump as an overriding goal and therefore seem to have somehow persuaded themselves that any temporary sacrifice of honest journalistic standards was a price well worth paying.

Julian Assange may soon be spending the rest of his life in a small prison cell, and compared to that outcome Greenwald’s humiliating treatment is a mere bagatelle, but both figures fell from ideological grace for similar reasons. As an anti-secrecy campaigner, Assange had become the toast of our liberal elite by exposing the crimes of the Bush era American military, but when he evenhandedly released DNC emails deeply embarrassing to Hillary Clinton and the Democrats, he was reviled as a traitor and a Russian stooge. Although Greenwald remains left-liberal in his personal views, his staunch refusal to avert his eyes from the flagrant political and media corruption on his side of the aisle has provoked deep resentments among his one-time ideological admirers.

Many details of Greenwald’s resignation can be found in the following articles, and he also explained the circumstances in an interview on Tucker Carlson Tonight:

 

Although I’d mostly lost track of both Greenwald and The Intercept over the last few years, the story of his sudden resignation didn’t particularly surprise me.

Donald Trump had always struck me as an ignorant buffoon and most of his proposed policies were ridiculous, but I felt that his establishmentarian political critics had almost been driven insane by their loathing for him. Since I regarded both Trump and Biden as such exceptionally awful candidates, I’d paid relatively little attention to the many months of heated presidential campaigning. However, the recent charges of massive financial corruption against the Biden family seemed pretty credible to me, and the unified media efforts to drag the Democratic ticket across the finish line by hiding the scandal from the American voters was utterly outrageous.

The New York Post is America’s oldest newspaper and after it broke the Biden corruption story a couple of weeks ago, both Facebook and Twitter took the unprecedented step of banning all links to the published account of that potentially massive political scandal. Compared to such absurd censorship, the unwillingness of The Intercept‘s Trump-hating editors to publish Greenwald’s article was shameful but hardly surprising. However once I looked into the background, other surprises did appear.

Every now and then I had read a story mentioning The Intercept in my morning newspapers, but few of the details stuck in my mind, so I browsed around a little, and found a Columbia Journalism Review article from last year describing some of the difficulties at that publication. Apparently, Omidyar had been fulfilling his financial commitments, donating nearly $90 million to First Look Media between 2013 and 2017, and apparently almost all of that massive funding had gone to The Intercept, whose annual staff compensation alone reached $9.3 million by 2017. The CJR article noted that the salaries paid “dwarf those at other center-left, nonprofit outlets.” My casual browsing didn’t uncover any detailed financial information for the last three years, but the webzine must surely have absorbed well over $100 million by now, perhaps even closer to $150 million.

With such enormous financial inputs, I wondered why I had heard so little about the publication in recent years, just an occasional story here and there in my newspapers, so I decided to take a look. Their website seemed no different in design or content than that found on dozens of other left-liberal webzines. The names of almost none of the writers were familiar to me while the topics they presented were all too familiar. So it wasn’t clear to me why anyone would read their publication.

I soon discovered that most of the world apparently had the same reaction. I had naturally assumed that such a lavishly-funded publication captained by highly-paid all-stars and having a large writing staff would possess a readership vastly larger than that of our own website, with traffic perhaps twenty or thirty times greater. Instead, I found to my utter astonishment that their Alexa Traffic Rank of 11,542 was less than 50% larger than that of our own small opinion webzine. Indeed, if not for our having been banned by Facebook and Google earlier this year, we might have even caught up with them by now. And according to SimilarWeb, although their website does get almost three times as many monthly visits as ours, the total time spent on our website is actually slightly higher, with most of their visitors quickly departing. This brought to mind the old story about the dog-food that dogs just won’t eat.

Although a few natural Internet monopolies such as Google, Facebook and Amazon seem impervious to easy challenge, the web has become a great leveler for opinion journalism, with the interest and quality of content material far outweighing many millions of dollars in bloated expenditures. The dilemma encountered by the decision-makers at The Intercept is that if you mostly publish articles that are exactly the same as those found everywhere else on the Internet, you provide people few reasons to favor your website over so many others.

Moreover, it’s quite possible that very heavy staff funding can itself become counter-productive. For example, an outraged Max Blumenthal revealed in a Tweet that The Intercept‘s top editor Betsy Reed is paid well over $400,000 per year, an extremely sizable sum in the world of non-profit journalism:

Any self-respecting individual drawing such a salary must justify her existence and earn her keep. While it would have been the easiest thing in the world to quickly approve Greenwald’s important article and then publish it on the website, any unpaid intern could have done as much, while someone whose annual salary is approaching the half-million dollar range must necessarily devote time and thought to all the deeper political implications, conferring at length with her staff and other top advisors before rendering her Solomonic judgment. Hence Greenwald’s angry departure.

Indeed, some of these existing problems seem to have appeared at the very beginning of the project, as recounted by Ken Silverstein, a left-liberal journalist with a long career at prestigious publications. As an early hire who soon resigned. he explained his reasons in a stinging 2015 Politico Magazine article entitled “Where Journalism Goes to Die,” describing the mixture of extreme editorial bureaucracy and severe ideological-correctness that led him to depart in disgust after just one year.

The contrast with our own webzine could not be greater. Although my title is Editor-in-Chief, I have neither salary nor staff, and since I’m so heavily preoccupied with my own reading and research, I doubt I spend more than a couple of hours a day on the publication, instead relying upon the highly-automated software I had built to do almost all the work.

Since I have made it very clear that I do not personally stand behind the articles I publish, I allow my writers to write whatever they want, even if much of their output might seem like nonsense to me. By providing such a large array of often-conflicting alternative perspectives, we therefore fulfill our alternative-media mission statement. And as far as I know, there are few if any other websites that regularly publish such a wide and varied array of highly-controversial material, thereby drawing readership roughly comparable to that produced by Omidyar’s $100 million-plus expenditure.

With comments on our website being very lightly moderated, we usually accrue a million additional words each week, thereby providing a public forum for regular discussion of all sorts of controversial topics banned almost everywhere else. Much of this material may be ignorant or insane, but those willing to mine the low-grade ore will discover a considerable sprinkling of gems. This process is facilitated by the commenting-software I have designed, which I think is far superior in many respects to what I have seen elsewhere.

 

The combination of Greenwald’s necessary departure from his own publication and the near-total censorship of the New York Post articles on the Biden corruption scandal may together mark a watershed in mainstream American journalism, as suggested by former New York Times journalist Chris Hedges and Matt Taibbi in a half-hour discussion on RT America:

But although these mainstream journalists seemed shocked that the entire media would now censor and ignore important stories merely because they were unpalatable, I had discovered much the same thing ten or fifteen years ago, which eventually led me to establish this webzine. A couple of months ago I noted a particularly egregious example:

As the winner of the Pulitzer Prize and two George Polk awards, the late Sydney Schanberg was widely regarded as one of the greatest American war correspondents of the twentieth century. His exploits during our ill-fated Indo-Chinese War had become the basis of the Oscar-winning film The Killing Fields, which probably established him as the most famous journalist in America after Woodward and Bernstein of Watergate fame, and he had also served as a top editor at The New York Times. A decade ago, he published his greatest expose, providing a mountain of evidence that America had deliberately left behind hundreds of POWs in Vietnam and he fingered then-presidential candidate John McCain as the central figure in the later official cover-up of that monstrous betrayal. The Arizona senator had traded on his national reputation as our best-known former POW to bury the story of those abandoned prisoners, permitting America’s political establishment to escape serious embarrassment. As a result, Sen. McCain earned the lush rewards of our generous ruling elites, much like his own father Admiral John S. McCain, Sr., who had led the cover-up of the deliberate 1967 Israeli attack on the U.S.S. Liberty, which killed or wounded over 200 American servicemen.

As publisher of The American Conservative, I ran Schanberg’s remarkable piece as a cover story, and across several websites over the years it has surely been read many hundreds of thousands of times, including a huge spike around the time of McCain’s death. I therefore find it rather difficult to believe that the many journalists investigating McCain’s background might have remained unaware of this material. Yet no hints of these facts were provided in any of the articles appearing in any remotely prominent media outlets as can be seen by searching for web pages containing “McCain and Schanberg” dated around the time of the Senator’s passing.

Schanberg’s journalistic stature had hardly been forgotten by his former colleagues. Upon his death a couple of years ago, the Times ran a very long and glowing obituary, and a few months later I attended the memorial tribute to his life and career held at the New York Times headquarters building, which included more than two hundred prominent journalists mostly from his own generation, including those of the highest rank. Times Publisher Arthur Sulzberger, Jr. gave a speech describing how as a young man he had always so greatly admired Schanberg and had been mortified by the unfortunate circumstances of his departure from the family’s newspaper. Former Executive Editor Joseph Lelyveld recounted the many years he had worked closely with the man he had long considered his closest friend and colleague, someone whom he almost seemed to regard as his older brother. But during the two hours of praise and remembrance scarcely a single word was uttered in public about the gigantic story that had occupied the last two decades of Schanberg’s celebrated career.

Although Google controls all but a slice of the worldwide search engine market, very similar technologies are employed by its various competitors such as Bing, DuckDuckGo, and Russia’s Yandex, and it is easy to compare their strikingly dissimilar results for the simple string “mccain pows”:

For Bing, Schanberg’s American Conservative cover-story ranks #1. For DuckDuckGo, it ranks #2, just below McCain’s Wikipedia entry. For Yandex, the republication on The Unz Review holds the top spot, with the American Conservative version placing #2. But Schanberg’s remarkable 8,200 word expose has been “disappeared” from Google’s search engine, nowhere to be found across at least the first ten pages of results.

Indeed, I would argue that much of my entire American Pravda series falls into this same category. And if our mainsteam media and Internet gatekeepers can so easily censor and ignore an important New York Post article in the heat of a presidential campaign, sensible people must surely recognize that many other important things may also have been censored and ignored in the past.

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  1. It’s pretty telling that all serious journalists now either have their own subscription-based income (Greenwald, Marc Tracey, Matt Taibi etc) or was forced to create their own media business from scratch (Max Blumenthal at The Grayzone).

    Mainstream media has essentially been exposed as stenographers of the Deep State. The term ‘fake news’ will outlive Trump long into the future.

    What’s most shocking is that the most shrill calls for censorship usually comes from mainstream “journalists” themselves and their Twitter blue-check mob-in-tow.

  2. GeeBee says:

    Many thanks for this piece Ron. What I found visually striking was that at first did not recognise the
    puffy, careworn face that appears on the video link to the Tucker Carlson interview as being the same man as the fresh-faced, almost youthful Greenwald pictured just six years ago at the start of your piece.

    As for the fact that ‘Schanberg’s remarkable 8,200 word expose has been “disappeared” from Google’s search engine’, I can only say that while one is scarcely surprised, there is none the less a feeling of burgeoning, if impotent, rage at witnessing such a blatant example of what ‘the Free World’ is now really like.

    • Agree: Jett Rucker, Kronos
    • Thanks: Richard B
  3. The commenting section on this site is the absolute best on the Internet.

    I never trusted Greenwald, and still don’t. He never finished publishing all the docs he had from Snowden. He took the money and shut up. Now that he’s probably got a nice fat bank account, he’s rediscovered his morals.

    No thanks. He’s tainted from here on out.

  4. Upper echelon of the Democratic party is astonishingly corrupt and, or, morally debased. The most troubling thing is the support the Democrats get from the media and the intel alphabet soup. A relative handful of well placed people lead us(mostly) around by the nose.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  5. Clyde says:

    Glenn Greenwald has the principle to leave a high paying job with a steady, reliable paycheck. Now he is on his own at Substack. I have only perused Matt Taibi there, he gets literate comments and gets 800 or so per blog entry. I am not a lib by any means, good luck to Mr. Greenwald. He lives in Brazil, must be less expensive than here. He can nurse his substack money there. Eating lots of black bean soup and yucca.

  6. Much of this material may be ignorant or insane, but those willing to mine the low-grade ore will discover a considerable sprinkling of gems.

    How dare you!

    All of Tugger & my words here are poetry – POETRY, I tell you!

    P.S. Duckduckgo, Bing or Yandex – never ever Google or Wikipedia.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  7. “Although a few natural Internet monopolies such as Google, Facebook and Amazon seem impervious to easy challenge . . . ”

    Say what?? The last time I checked, none of those “natural monopolies” had physical cables or pipelines running into my house. Please illuminate my narrow white country ass and leave your colonic smoke blowing machine zipped up in your doctor bag.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  8. RIP.

  9. Anon[392] • Disclaimer says:

    Good overview, but please do look into the Intercept’s record of exposing their confidential sources. It is so abysmal that many suspect the whole thing might just be a honeypot to attract well-meaning left-leaning whistleblowers in order to turn them in to the authorities.

    • Agree: Rubicon, Nodwink
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @Anonymous
  10. Greenwald looks like he’s carrying a lot on his soul. I’d be too if I fucked Snowden six ways to Sunday.

    • Agree: RoatanBill, DaveE
    • Thanks: Skeptikal
    • Replies: @Redman
    , @Skeptikal
    , @Skeptikal
  11. @Thulean Friend

    Mainstream media has essentially been exposed as stenographers of the Deep State. The term ‘fake news’ will outlive Trump long into the future.

    ‘Twas always so, Trump has been hugely beneficial for those on the dissident fringes of politics not in that he has done something in the favour of the dissidents using his executive power, but because he served as a canary in the coalmine and exposed the Deep State to the average member of the public, who otherwise might have regarded it all as a wacky Alex Jones-tier kookspiracy.

    Operation Mockingbird is an alleged large-scale program of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) that began in the early years of the Cold War and attempted to manipulate news media for propaganda purposes. It funded student and cultural organizations and magazines as front organizations.

    • Replies: @Bert
  12. The American government has emphatically denied that Assange was ever a journalist, now working to prosecute him for espionage and sentence him to life in a maximum security prison. Meanwhile, it did grudgingly concede that protective status to Greenwald.

    I wonder why Greenwald got protective status while Assange didn’t? What could possibly be different about the two men?

  13. @Thulean Friend

    Mainstream media has essentially been exposed as stenographers of the Deep State. The term ‘fake news’ will outlive Trump long into the future.

    How very true – unfortunately, a trend with apparently global reach. All the “competing” Australian mainstream news outlets parrot precisely the same syndicated “news” articles in sequence, day after day, every day of the year.

    And, to the extent that it has any relevance at all to Australians, all of it is decidedly biased against Trump, Russia, China, Venezuela, Syria, Iran etc etc etc… Whatever our American Overlords decree, is the narrative that we are fed. Just for good measure, over the last 10 months, we’ve been fed a steady diet of Corona Chan BS, waiting breathlessly for Bill Gates’ vaccine to come save us all.

    • Agree: follyofwar, Miro23
  14. @RoatanBill

    The commenting section on this site is the absolute best on the Internet.

    Completely agree, especially the New Comments feature. Thanks, Ron.

  15. ponderer says:

    I believe there was a typo. “Every now and then I had read a story mentioning The Internet in my morning newspapers, but few of the details stuck in my mind, so I browsed around a little, and found a Columbia Journalism Review article from last year describing some of the difficulties at that publication. ”
    I believe the start should stay “mentioning The Intercept in my morning newpapers”.

  16. @Clyde

    Greenwald is rich and lives a life of idle pleasures in Brazil with his “husband”. No rice and beans for him.

    • Agree: Jett Rucker, Cido, Rubicon
    • Replies: @Clyde
  17. @Thulean Friend

    RIP Robert Fisk

    This is a monumental loss to the world of true journalism.

  18. There’s a line in Citizen Kane where Kane, upbraided by his accountant for losing about $1mm a year, retorted “Well in 60 years I’ll have to stop publishing then”
    (or something similar.), Other than personal probity, there’s no discipline for these vanity projects.

    Fortunately Mr Unz exhibits the necessary and deserves a bit of self congratulation now and then.

    The Billionaire publisher phenomenon does get commented upon from time to time:
    https://ahtribune.com/us/2657-pierre-omidyar-resistance.html
    But not often enough.

    • Replies: @Rubicon
    , @Justsaying
  19. When I saw the Intercept publish an article praising the fictitious Syrian “White Helmets” in 2016, I knew the website was controlled by the same types that run the Washington Post, the Academy Awards etc –

    https://theintercept.com/2016/10/01/syrias-white-helmets-risk-everything-to-save-the-victims-of-airstrikes/

    • Thanks: FB
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  20. “Much of this material may be ignorant or insane…”

    This would look great as a disclaimer under the comment section heading. Whether you agree or not.

    • Agree: V. Hickel
    • Replies: @V. Hickel
    , @foolisholdman
  21. Royitis says:

    Great comment section, but please do as little moderating as possible, and the mix of writers and ideas is wonderful. I love seeing hasbara/sayanim/bodlim getting slapped around lol

  22. saggy says:
    @RoatanBill

    Greenwald used to write for an online site, I can’t remember the name, Salon when it was non-member?, or some similar site. What distinguished him is that he would respond to comments on his articles. I had a little exchange with him and he admitted(?) he was a Zionist. That’s all you need to know about Greenwald.

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @Felix Krull
    , @Skeptikal
  23. When I quit a job I just leave. Scathing resignation letters get ignored or laughed at. And while we are at it, enough of the “open letters” by groups of esteemed professionals of one stripe or another.

  24. peterike says:

    apparently almost all of that massive funding had gone to The Intercept, whose staff compensation alone reaching $9.3 million by 2017.

    That’s because everything the Left is leading — EVERYTHING — is essentially some kind of grift.

    • Agree: Thim
  25. He who pays the piper calls the tune. Pierre Omidyar is one of the low key oligarchs whose activities are often little reported. His ties to USAID and other Deep State fronts are manifold. He totally funded The Intercept right from the beginning. Obviously, his aim was to tie it in with his other interests.

    https://washingtonbabylon.com/why-did-omidyar-shut-down-the-intercepts-snowden-archive/

    This article in Ken Silverstein’s Washington Babylon website is rather long and some of the claims are rather tendentious, but the actual factual reporting seems accurate. The Intercept’s position on Snowdon was embarrassing for him, so he shut down access to the Snowdon Archive. Now he has gotten rid of Greenwald.
    Between The Intercept’s foundation and the falling out over Biden, Greenwald took his large salary and kept quiet. I have always regarded him as controlled opposition at best. Some regard him as a Deep State operative. Time, no doubt, will tell.

    • Thanks: Iris, FB
  26. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    In Orwell’s ‘Homage to Catalonia’ he wrote of how journalists fabricated stories outright, twisted facts and deceived their readership regarding what was happening in the Spanish Civil War where Orwell was on the ground and could observe things in person. He wrote that journalists were people paid to lie for a living. This was the 1930’s. It was true then and it’s true now. Honest types get elbowed out eventually. Where did I get the idea that news media bring me the facts? Oh yes, I read it in the paper and heard it on television so it must be true. Er, wait a second.

  27. cranc says:

    Greenwald’s column at the Guardian in the Snowden era was where I first realised the wealth of learning that could be gained from engaging with comment sections. His departure pretty much co-incided with the closure of commentary at that paper. He has just gone down and down in my estimations since that time.

    As an anti-secrecy campaigner, Assange had become the toast of our liberal elite by exposing the crimes of the Bush era American military, but when he evenhandedly released DNC emails deeply embarrassing to Hillary Clinton and the Democrats, he was reviled as a traitor and a Russian stooge.

    I don’t think this is correct. Although he was published in places like the Guardian, it was the Iraq war diaries that provoked the response. Assange was targeted under the Obama administration, as indeed were people like Chomsky and Hedges through the NDAA, except Julain was also stiched up in a false sex scandal in Sweden:
    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/08/julian_assange_1/
    Taibbi is a smart guy, but it is hard to listen to his denunciation of censorship and partisanship when he was so unapologetically dismissive of the counter evidence in the 9/11 investigations. Basically, Matt, you are waking up about 15 years too late.

    • Replies: @Pop Warner
    , @Squarebeard
  28. @Anon

    IMO, Pierre Omidyar is a CIA or Israeli operative. He created the idea of the Intercept to keep Greenwald on a leash so he couldn’t / wouldn’t print all the docs he had from Snowden.

    A few years ago, Greenwald stated point blank that the Intercept wouldn’t publish the remainder of Snowden’s material due to a shortage of funds. What blatant bullshit. Greenwald was bought off. He’s just another (((turd))).

    • Replies: @Wyatt
  29. Redman says:
    @Supply and Demand

    Is there something he didn’t publish that Snowden wanted published? If so, Snowden has been interviewed a lot since then. Presumably he could mention it. What did he supposedly want to get out that didn’t?

    • Agree: annamaria
  30. Although a few natural Internet monopolies such as Google, Facebook and Amazon seem impervious to easy challenge, the web has become a great leveler for opinion journalism, with the interest and quality of content material far outweighing many millions of dollars in bloated expenditures.

    Mr. Unz – have you considered expanding your sponsorship into the alternative/uncensored social media space?

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  31. Jett Rucker says: • Website

    It took the choice between Biden and Trump to finally make me vote my heart/mind.

    Libertarian.

    Maybe I “wasted” my vote, but it would have been worse than wasted on the other two.

  32. Charles says:

    Mr. Unz, I believe the two most important phrases in your article are: 1) “…highly-automated software I built…” and 2) “….commenting-software I have designed…”. Besides the contributors and (often times) extremely knowledgeable commenters, the fact you created two of the very mechanisms that allow your site to flourish tells me why this site is unique. I also believe the “American Pravda” articles should by law be required reading – yes, there will be a test – for all incoming college freshmen, regardless of school or major.

    • Agree: Alden
  33. Probably out of goodness of his heart, our Ron Unz didn’t say that Mr Greenwald had been wonderfully paid by CIA’s own Mr Omidyar not so much for his non-exceptional writing but rather for not writing and not publishing the Snowden trove of secret documents. This trove contained, inter alia, lists of all CIA secret agents overseas, and endless other jewels. Snowden did not want to take it to Russia, as he felt it is better to publish the stuff in the West – but his trust was misplaced. Greenwald gave it back to CIA, instead of publishing as he promised to Snowden. His companion in the venture, Laura Poitras, in addition, had betrayed Julian Assange, presumably for the same reason Greenwald betrayed Snowden. It is a sordid story.

    • Thanks: Mark Hunter, mark green, FB
  34. @Clyde

    Greenwald’s butt buddy is a member of the Brazilian elite. In his podcast interviews, he broadcasts from a room with red walls and dark mahogany furniture on top-level equipment. I am sure he is not suffering on low-quality protein and low-quality starch.

  35. I used to comment a lot at The Intercept, however, it has degraded over time. There just isn’t anything there worth commenting on. Also, the endless race hustling is annoying, and much of the writing is of inferior quality.

    The Intercept used to deal with things like computer security, domestic spying, foreign wars, coups etc. But now, not so much. It looks like a catch-and-kill operation. The commenting section got spammed to the point of unusability. With Greenwald’s departure, it’s value is pretty much gone.

    The Drudge Report has also gone downhill lately for some reason.

    I appreciate the Unz Review as one of the last places where you can comment freely.

    Thank you Mr. Unz.

    • Agree: V. Hickel, acementhead
  36. Who lasted longer working for VC cash, Philip Greenspun or Glenn Greenwald? The last I heard of Greenspun he was blogging about flying helicopters. At one time he had the greatest photography website I ever saw by a large margin.

    On a widely related tangent, thefixisin guy said that the NBA finals were fixed for the Lakers to cash in on Kobe memorial ostentation. That might have been the weirdest thing I read on the internet this year. Kobe isn’t completely forgotten yet? There is a serviceable market that gives a crap about Kobe Bryant now?

  37. CollDoll says:

    Thank you Ron Unz for praising Glenn Greenwald’s principled resignation. Greenwald is a Hero with a capital H in this instance and deserves 100% support.

    Nonetheless, we cannot forget Glenn Greenwald’s role in the pernicious Memory Holing of the Snowden files last March 2019. It was tantamount to insider censorship. The story is documented here: https://popularresistance.org/snowden-archives-at-great-risk-as-alarming-as-assanges-arrest/

    If anyone has an update on the Snowden files or corrections to the linked article, please comment accordingly.

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    https://www.google.com/search?q=happy+asian+woman&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjrv6fF79nsAhWiNOwKHfKaAO8Q2-cCegQIABAA&oq=happy+asian+woman&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzoECAAQEzoICAAQBxAeEBM6BggAEAcQHjoICAAQBxAFEB46CAgAEAgQBxAeOgQIABAeOgoIABAHEAUQHhATOgoIABAIEAcQHhATULH_AViuhgJgno8CaABwAHgAgAF3iAG1A5IBAzQuMZgBAKABAaoBC2d3cy13aXotaW1nwAEB&sclient=img&ei=uL6aX-uDG6LpsAfytYL4Dg&bih=694&biw=1536&client=firefox-b-d

    happy white woman

    https://www.google.com/search?q=happy+white+woman&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiUqfPW79nsAhWJs6QKHa_WCEQQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=happy+white+woman&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIECCMQJzoECAAQEzoICAAQBxAeEBM6BggAEAcQHlDElwJYwaICYJGmAmgAcAB4AIABX4gBiwOSAQE1mAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=3b6aX9TGFInnkgWvraOgBA&bih=694&biw=1536&client=firefox-b-d

    european people art

    https://www.google.com/search?q=european+people+art&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjwie_p79nsAhWC16QKHUEuBwEQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=european+people+art&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIECCMQJzIICAAQBRAeEBMyCAgAEAUQHhATMggIABAIEB4QEzoFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABADOgQIABBDOgQIABAeOgQIABATULqFAljGrgJg57gCaABwAHgAgAFUiAG8C5IBAjE5mAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=Bb-aX7DzBoKvkwXB3JwI&bih=694&biw=1536&client=firefox-b-d

    american inventors

    https://www.google.com/search?q=american+inventors&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiFtr-N8NnsAhWP_6QKHWB4BwYQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=american+inventors&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIECCMQJzIECAAQHjIECAAQHjIECAAQHjIECAAQHjIGCAAQBRAeMgYIABAFEB4yBggAEAUQHjIGCAAQBRAeMgYIABAFEB46BAgAEEM6BQgAELEDOgIIADoICAAQsQMQgwFQoD9YrWhg7GtoAHAAeACAAV6IAfkKkgECMTiYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=T7-aX8XSMo__kwXg8J0w&bih=694&biw=1536&client=firefox-b-d

    white american couple

    https://www.google.com/search?q=white+american+couple&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwi8wNOU8NnsAhXMuqQKHSj5AAYQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=white+american+couple&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIICAAQBRAeEBMyCAgAEAUQHhATOgQIIxAnOgQIABBDOgUIABCxAzoCCAA6BAgAEB46BAgAEBNQqckCWNb6AmDW_QJoAHAAeACAAV2IAY8NkgECMjGYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=Xr-aX7yZM8z1kgWo8oMw&bih=694&biw=1536&client=firefox-b-d

    happy american child

    https://www.google.com/search?q=happy+american+child&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=ALeKk03uceryVzYvySaJ5_NdaKSqN83Ssg:1603977154619&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj1gp3E8NnsAhWLkhQKHQQ6CfkQ_AUoAXoECAYQAw&biw=1536&bih=694&dpr=2.5

    european history people

    https://www.google.com/search?q=european+history+people&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiSpdXF8NnsAhWWvKQKHbNKBzoQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=european+history+people&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIECCMQJzIICAAQBRAeEBMyCAgAEAUQHhATMggIABAIEB4QEzIICAAQCBAeEBMyCAgAEAgQHhATMggIABAIEB4QEzIICAAQCBAeEBMyCAgAEAgQHhATMggIABAIEB4QEzoFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABADOgQIABBDOgcIABCxAxBDOgQIABAeOgQIABATUJjDAliU9gJgxYgDaABwAHgAgAGuAYgBkw-SAQQyMS4ymAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=xb-aX9KuJpb5kgWzlZ3QAw&bih=694&biw=1536&client=firefox-b-d

    who created white people?

    https://www.google.com/search?q=who+created+white+people%3F&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwikwb7e8NnsAhWCr6QKHdiqCJgQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=who+created+white+people%3F&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzoECCMQJzoFCAAQsQM6BAgAEEM6AggAOgQIABAeOgYIABAIEB46BAgAEBg6BAgAEBM6CAgAEAgQHhATUPf5AliDzgNg09oDaAJwAHgBgAF8iAGPEZIBBDI4LjGYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=-b-aX-TgKYLfkgXY1aLACQ&bih=694&biw=1536&client=firefox-b-d

    black couple

    https://www.google.com/search?q=black+couple&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwictfah8dnsAhXMs6QKHdgTCfQQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=black+couple&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzoECCMQJzoECAAQQzoFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAeUKbXAVjj9QFgs_gBaABwAHgAgAFdiAHGB5IBAjEymAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=h8CaX9zVBsznkgXYp6SgDw&bih=694&biw=1536&client=firefox-b-d

    white couple

    https://www.google.com/search?q=white+couple&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiSgs-x8dnsAhUWNuwKHdy5CdcQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=white+couple&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIECCMQJzoECAAQEzoICAAQBxAeEBM6BggAEAcQHlCvqwJYzbYCYMzBAmgAcAB4AIABdIgBvAOSAQM0LjGYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=qMCaX5KOAZbssAfc86a4DQ&bih=694&biw=1536&client=firefox-b-d

  39. @Johnny Smoggins

    Greenwald has already shot his load, so to speak, so persecuting him would only draw attention–and ongoing attention–to the Snowden story, which they can’t retract but want people to forget about. On the other hand, Assange probably has things to say that the government doesn’t want said. I suspect that he’s kept some things to himself over time on the theory that it was insurance, but what’s actually happened is that the government slowly closed in until it could silence him, and now it wants him to stay silenced to avoid spilling whatever beans he still has.

  40. Unz,

    Agree that the software you built is great. Actually, I wish you would make it available or other people to use.

    • Agree: JWalters
    • Replies: @Si1ver1ock
  41. @Thulean Friend

    I’ve corrected an error in your comments:

    …calls for censorship usually comes from mainstream (((jewish))) “journalists” themselves and their Twitter blue-check mob-in-tow.

    • Agree: Z-man
  42. No publisher that fails to report on the relation between Zionism, corporatism, the military-intelligence apparatus and their media-entertainment fronts should deserve praise. How difficult would it have been to foresee that a Ziocorporate-funded rag like The Intercept would end up being assimilated into the entropy of the world “order”, when even others with a bigger chance at being “independent” like RT.com have made a joke of their “question more” motto.

    Maybe people living in the bubble of unreality of the fake first-world “democracies” of the West can be stunned and enthralled with a few reports on, for example, the criminality and bloothirst of the US/UK regimes’ geopolitical schemes, but from the perspective of a third world shithole where those schemes are always evident, that kind of shallow journalism operating on the fringes of the mainstream, but mainstream either way, looks no different from common opportunism.

    The US killing people in Iraq, the partisan electioneering circus every 4 years, and, wait for it, the shocking, I tell ya, shocking revelation that the CIA spies on all of us (who’d have guessed those global coup-plotters/killers would do such things?) make for sensational although easy to forget headlines while the Ziocorporate terrorist globalist conglomerate goes on about its business while the unenlightened masses do just as much.

    • Thanks: gay troll
  43. @Thulean Friend

    “What’s most shocking is that the most shrill calls for censorship usually comes from mainstream ‘journalists’ themselves…”

    I am shocked, SHOCKED that paid gatekeepers would want to protect their salaries and perks by eliminating the competition.

    • Replies: @gaston julia
  44. Wyatt says:
    @RoatanBill

    I said this on a previous article and I will say it again. Glenn Greenwald got exactly what was coming to him for the people he sided with. If you get in bed with leftists, don’t be surprised when you wake up in a few years with a creeping, lethal, venereal disease that robs you of your job, your prestige and the confidence in your ideology.

    What did the dumbfuck think was gonna happen when he published things that damned the left? Leftists the world over really, really hate it when they get exposed for being stupid, unethical dipshits who lie through their teeth that they want to help people while secretly pocketing the charity. Biden is a massive con artist and his retard son revealed just how little business that crooked Irishman had in politics. But because the Dems are desperate and Orange Man Bad, no amount of truth or reality is acceptable.

    For whatever foibles the right has, there was never an attempt to deplatform Alex Jones for his conspiracies or punish left wing media for trying to expose Bush. Granted, that was because Bush was in the pocket of (((Glenn’s))) fellow tribesmen, but it still speaks volume about how little even RINO governments tried to curtail the free speech of average citizens.

    Let us laugh at his stupidity.

    • Agree: Redman
  45. Z-man says:
    @saggy

    99% of Them are.
    You can be a radical leftie chosen one or a right wing zealot or a secular upper east side sophisticate but they almost always support Zion.

  46. @Chrisnonymous

    I also urged him to make it Open Source, but he declined.

    I’m guessing he doesn’t want people making nasty comments on his (probably idiosyncratic) code.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  47. The Intercept revealed its true colours long ago when it unhesitatingly regurgitated the Empire’s crapaganda on Syria. As Tabibi asked about Greenwald’s resignation, “What took him so long?”

  48. GeeBee says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Thanks for those search results. I am astonished, even allowing for what I fully expected to include a degree of anti-White mischief. It’s as if we’re no longer allowed to exist as a race, and certainly never to regard ourselves as being anything remotely resembling a happy community of more or less homogenous people. Which is to say, that which all other races take for granted.

  49. Crass says:

    The Intercept has been spewing pure propaganda for years, mainly on the Ukrainian and Syrian Regime change operations. for anyone unaware, Pierre Omidyar, the Billionaire founder of eBay, Bankrolls The Intercept.
    Pierre Omidyar has been accused of directly financing Ukrainian Terrorist to overthrow the Yanukovich Government in the 2014 Coup.

    I hold The Intercept in the same regard as NATO’s propaganda arm Bellingcat, and the propagandists working at The Intercept, Jeremy Scahill and Glenn Greenwald, have Integrity on par with Eliot Higgins over at Bellingcat. I had the self inflicted burden of reading two of Jeremy Scahill Books so my friends did not have to. They were simply damage limitation pieces.

    Glenn Greenwald is simply playing Partisan Politics between two factions, with his resignation from The Intercept. This is not a Journalistic Stance he is taking, it is a Political one.

    If Glenn Greenwald wants a Journalistic topic to study, I will give him one.

    Both of Donald Trumps presidential rivals (Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden) had very damaging Emails (Leaked) just before the Presidential Elections. The DNC Leaks in 2016 probably cost Hillary Clinton the Presidency and the Biden Ukrainian-Corruption leaks of 2020 will have a very negative impact on Joe Biden.

    Considering the timings of both of these Leaks and the explosive content contained, do you believe it is just bad luck timing for both of Donald Trumps rivals or are there nefarious players who sat on the information and waited just before the Presidential Elections for them to have maximum Political impact?

    It is highly improbable that both leaks were just out of luck timing on both of Donald Trumps rivals. Considering Donald Trump is the first de-facto Jewish President of the United States, I believe some nefarious Intelligence Agencies had a part to play in both leaks.

    I should point out I am just playing Devils Advocate here. I have equal contempt for Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Donald Trump. They are all Swamp Creatures.

    Maybe Glenn Greenwald can now finally publish all the documents he got from Edward Snowden, now that he is free from the shackles of The Intercept?

    I suppose he could publish Snowden’s Prism Leaks, if himself and his corrupt fellow Presstitutes had not destroyed the Prism Leaks.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @utu
    , @utu
    , @foolisholdman
  50. This will sound off-topic but I would be very interested if anyone knows a good history of Chinese news and opinion media, and in particular important moments of censorship, leaks, publications or TV channels falling out of favor, and so on. Being able to accurately compare and contrast the Chinese and American systems, in all ways possible, is an empowering thing in today’s world.

  51. Chevrus says:

    I must admit the comment protocols you have made for this site are really quite excellent. Took a minute to figure it out but it makes sense.

  52. wrd9 says:

    I believe Greenwald was also getting a $400k paycheck from The Intercept. They were also covering lawyer costs and security in Brazil. He has 1.5M followers on Twitter, I’m sure he’ll be able to get enough subscribers to make his independent venture successful, particularly with the coverage it has received.

    I don’t agree with Greenwald’s leftist mentality but he has been very caustic regarding the Democrats’ and alphabet agencies’ efforts at the fake Russiagate and impeachment debacles. At least there are a few on the left willing to expose the criminality, god knows that the left won’t listen to anyone on the right. The Intercept really jumped the shark when they allowed Akela Lacy to label Lee Fang a racist. It was a disgusting episode and Greenwald should have quit then.

    It’s a riot reading through the comments on Greenwald’s Substack, quite a few leftists who are pompous regarding their perceived superiority over the right, one black supremacist(IMO) who thinks that Greenwald should be “centering Black and brown women” in his work.

    • Agree: John Achterhof
  53. nsa says:

    Another “inside jewball” article: Greenwald, Blumenthal, Silverstein, Google, Bernstein, Drudge, Facebook, Schanberg, Sulzberger………Unz.

    • Replies: @JWalters
  54. Excellent overview of the Greenwald affair and the shakeup occurring in journalism & media, Ron. Omidyar could take some advice from this piece and the Unz model on how to get a little better return on investment because he is counter-productively lavishing cash on his pet project like a drunken magnate.

  55. Clyde says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    Greenwald is rich…….

    Inherited wealth? No one gets rich being a journalist these days.

  56. V. Hickel says:

    Thanks for the great article, and for everything else, Mr U. I was also shocked that the AC McCain piece didnt have more legs. I guess the ‘maverick’ must be protected…

  57. @israel shamir

    It may have been the price paid for getting Chelsea Manning out of Ft. Leavenworth military prison.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/chelsea-manning-freed-from-kansas-military-prison

  58. Notsofast says:
    @Thulean Friend

    great man, great journalist, mercilessly attacked by mockingbird media talking heads even in death. calling out of the criminal nature of the white helmet swine in syria caused outrage among these complicit vermin. there is a special place in hell for these gatekeepers. who will replace the few remaining real journalists as they pass or retire. you almost have to be of a certain age to be able to remember the events that are being memory holed. if biden wins its all over, if trump wins and people dont go to jail its all political theater of the absurd and equally over. scary times in which we find ourselves.

  59. V. Hickel says:
    @Sollipsist

    I love Ron’s descriptions of the commentariat. ‘deranged’ was my favorite.

    • LOL: Iris
    • Replies: @JimmyB
  60. @Bardon Kaldian

    Thanks for that selection of Google search results.

    Can they be any more blatant about turning reality on its head to push their woke anti-white agenda?

    How can people be so dumbed down as to not comprehend this insidious BS propaganda?

    That’s about as close to Big Brother’s “Ministry of Truth” as I ever want to get.

  61. Ron Unz says:
    @Si1ver1ock

    Agree that the software you built is great. Actually, I wish you would make it available or other people to use.

    I also urged him to make it Open Source, but he declined.

    I’m guessing he doesn’t want people making nasty comments on his (probably idiosyncratic) code.

    Well, it’s rather off-topic, but I might as well try to address the issue…

    This website is built upon a WordPress core. WordPress is pretty much industry-standard, but the code is extremely complex, convoluted, and (at least for me) confusing. I also think that much of the database structure was very poorly designed. Just think of the old MS Windows system. I also use quite a number of third-party WP Plugins.

    However, virtually everything you see on the website is produced by my own customized PHP/Javascript code, interfacing with the WordPress foundation in complex and difficult ways. I’d like to think that my own code is fairly clean and modular, but over time I’ve often needed to sacrifice those aspects in favor of additional features, efficiency, and performance.

    I’m actually quite pleased with the structure and flexibility of my system. For example, a couple of days ago I decided to add Javascript-based “elapsed time” information to all comments (supplementing the GMT time), and the whole project only took me a couple of hours.

    But overall, the extremely interwoven nature of my own code and the full WordPress “blob” would make it extremely difficult to modularize and distribute as any sort of usable package.

    Frankly, the underlying WP system has so many bad aspects, I’ve sometimes thought of just trying to get rid of it entirely. But there are a couple of elements that would just take me too long to ever hope to effectively duplicate. Since the whole thing is (sort of) working, I’m very reluctant to “fix” it.

    Anyway, over the last couple of years I’ve been spending 10x as much time on my reading, research, and writing, which I think may be more important right now.

  62. anon[145] • Disclaimer says:

    The American government has emphatically denied that Assange was ever a journalist, now working to prosecute him for espionage and sentence him to life in a maximum security prison. Meanwhile, it did grudgingly concede that protective status to Greenwald.

    Mr. Unz,

    There are no provisions in our constitutions indicating the “protected” status of “journalists”. Can you point out where a “journalist” magically is awarded rights and privileges beyond that of an (ordinary?) citizen.

    First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances … unless it is in contradiction to the wishes and dictates of employees of Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the in the judgement of The New York Times and other Official Journalists is unacceptable.

    American journalists and journals award themselves a “prize” named after a shameless propagandist. This is all we need to know about American Journalism. And let’s note by their patron saint what is it this “special class” values. It is a typical circle jerk: they clap for each other. Look at this ‘august’ website, this “institution”. Are you not impressed by the gravitas of “American Journalism”?

    https://www.pulitzer.org/

    They have carved themselves a niche using nothing more than money, and now an establishment, of which they are all card carrying members.

    Here, Mr. Unz, is lending a hand in pushing the story of a questionable character — we do not forget, Greenwald. Who cares. Looking at all those doggies, doing the dirty work of suppressing truth has been rather good to Mr. Greenwald.

    Have you noticed folks how the “special people”, their every fucking move, needs to be published in the press and we get to waste time on this non-event of reassignment of spook Greenwald.

    But do upright, credentialed, principled, people with relevant expertise who question the laughable story of Covid peddled here and elsewhere, get the same number of column inches by “Journalists”?

    Rome is burning and these jokers have violins out for irrelevant stories. Someone give Ron Unz his Pulitzer. He, too, deserves it.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Alden
  63. anon[145] • Disclaimer says:

    Anyone who wants to read some actual timely reflection on the state of journalism in America, should read this piece, which spills the beans on why every breath Bill Gates makes needs to be plastered from New York Times to Zero Hedge to Russia Today (RT).

    https://www.cjr.org/criticism/gates-foundation-journalism-funding.php

    • Thanks: Orville H. Larson
  64. Ron Unz says:
    @anon

    There are no provisions in our constitutions indicating the “protected” status of “journalists”. Can you point out where a “journalist” magically is awarded rights and privileges beyond that of an (ordinary?) citizen.

    While I don’t necessarily disagree with you, it’s a question of perceptions and American traditions established since the 1960s with the Pentagon Papers, the Nixon Administration, and Watergate.

    Basically, prosecuting and locking up journalists who broke a huge international media story would look very bad to other journalists, and many of them would probably rally-round and cause lots of trouble. So the government went out of its way to argue that Assange wasn’t really a journalist, and although the argument is doubtful, it apparently succeeded in persuading the MSM to avoid defending him. However, lots of people have argued that the precedent set may make it much easier for the government to lock up journalists in the future, so the media people may have hurt their own future interests.

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @anon
    , @foolisholdman
  65. @saggy

    Greenwald also regularly responded to his commenters when he wrote for The Guardian.

    He’s not a bad boy, just confused.

  66. @RoatanBill

    It’s more than justified to be suspicious of Gleen Greenwald

    [MORE]

    Greenwald’s early business was being a seller of gay pornography – porno selling was also the early biz of his fellow Jewish media star, Jimmy Jimbo Wales, when the intel boyz recruited Wales to run global dis-info as supremo of the CIA-Mossad Wikipedia site

    Greenwald has worked in turn for media operations of three billionaire families – Bill Gates, the Rothschilds and Pierre Omidyar

    For those who don’t know, most all is fake about Greenwald’s partner ‘Edward Snowden’, who first allegedly ‘leaked’ to Dick Cheney’s friend & biographer at the Washington Post … when that was too obviously stupid, Greenwald was plucked from his Guardian job to be the new faux ‘brave journalist’ on the scam

    Both Julian Assange & Snowman were pumped by CIA media (NY Times, Guardian) who mostly ignore real dissidents … part of the game was to create ‘rat traps’ to identify and destroy real dissidents lured into contacting Assange or Greenwald … several people who did contact them, are dead or in jail … we don’t know how many real whistle-blowers, Greenwald may have helped silence and murder, because people thought he was an ‘investigative journalist’

    Re Greenwald-Snowden, there was little new in those ‘revelations’ really, the essence was in books & articles years earlier … and as with Mossad faker ‘never really lived in Ecuador Embassy’ Assange, Snowman also is anti-9-11-truth, and mostly shields Israel … as good CIA boyz, both avoid mention of USA Virginia federal judge bribery files which are blocking other extraditions, and which helped shut down the Mueller game as Mueller was implicated in them

    Putin himself publicly hints that Snowman is fake, but Putin plays along in the ongoing series of US-Russia intel ‘deals’ (Russia goes along with 9-11, US stays quiet about Chechnya, etc)

    Greenwald leaving Intercept-Omidyar, likely merely signals him going along with Netanyahu-nationalist & the Trump side of things, instead of the Soros-globalist & Biden-Harris side

    https://www.henrymakow.com/2018/11/assange-snowden-rat-traps.html

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/09/21/russia-govt-report-snowden-greenwald-are-cia-frauds/

  67. Ugetit says:
    @anonymous

    In Orwell’s ‘Homage to Catalonia’ he wrote of how journalists fabricated stories outright…

    And Mark Twain also admitted to embellishing stories and to making them up if the real news was slow.

    Also, here are a few relevant snips from Twain’s “License of the Press” speech if 1873.:

    “It has become a sarcastic proverb that a thing must be true if you saw it in a newspaper. That is the opinion intelligent people have of that lying vehicle in a nutshell. But the trouble is that the stupid people–who constitute the grand overwhelming majority of this and all other nations–do believe and are moulded and convinced by what they get out of a newspaper, and there is where the harm lies.”

    [MORE]

    “There are laws to protect the freedom of the press’s speech, but none that are worth anything to protect the people from the press.”

    “It seems to me that just in the ratio that our newspapers increase, our morals decay. The more newspapers the worse morals. Where we have one newspaper that does good, I think we have fifty that do harm. We ought to look upon the establishment of a newspaper of the average pattern in a virtuous village as a calamity.”

    “That awful power, the public opinion of a nation, is created in America by a horde of ignorant, self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditching and shoemaking and fetched up in journalism on their way to the poorhouse.”

    – Mark Twain “License of the Press” speech, 1873

    • Agree: Rubicon
  68. Syd Walker says: • Website

    Fascinating to hear a little about the backend of this extraordinary online publication you’ve built and managed so successfully, Mr Unz. A remarkable achievement in many ways!

    I have followed Glenn Greenwald’s journalism, not constantly, but from time to time, since the era when he wrote for Salon.com. One of the most fascinating internet investigations I’ve ever observed was his pursuit of the truth regarding the 2001 anthrax attacks. Glenn brilliantly dissected the FBI’s risible cover-up stories, starting with the framing of Steven Hatfill and moving eventually to the framing of Bruce Irvins, who conveniently suicided before he could have his day in court.

    If I recall correctly Glenn wrote a series of articles on this topic. The comments were extremely lively, often trolled but usually with some gems of informed opinion. Glenn seemed almost like a conductor, leading an excited orchestra of fellow investigators. By the time the curtain came down the FBI’s story was destroyed.

    Occasionally one or two commentators would mention 9/11. And on one occasion that seemed significant, one of the commentators issued a rather crude threat to Glenn to stay away from the topic of 9/11. It was stated bluntly, as though leaving 9/11 well alone had always been a tacit understanding and this was just a reminder.

    Anyhow, that’s a long preamble to asking why Glenn Greenwald, at least until now, has avoided the crucial issue of what really took place on 9/11.

    He has a very large following and he’s a very talented journalist and articulate free speech advocate. His intervention at this time to blow the lid on a 20-year old mega-lie would make a real difference.

    • Agree: Orville H. Larson
  69. Not Raul says:
    @Ron Unz

    I really like the “elapsed time” feature.

    It’s a shame that it isn’t standard with WP.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  70. @Thulean Friend

    As a recovering journalist, I wonder about the fate of those gatekeeper “journalists” if the SHTF. The financial, corporate and government toadies are quite well protected by private security outfits and all, but the ink slingers for hire are a dime a carload, no matter how noxious their sleazy sellout ethics happen to be.

    Meanwhile, the true journos like Robert Fisk will be a loss to common humanity. Their accumulated karmic credits will serve them well next go-round on the Great Wheel.

    I salute Fisk and all those other decent human beings with the stones to tell it like they see it. The greatest pity is that almost all the avenues to wide-scale recognition have been hermetically sealed off by the social-media guardians of the status-quo and their despicable ilk. Thus, will the upcoming replacements for these warriors for truth, justice and common-sense be handicapped in getting their messages out to the general public…all according to plan, of course.

  71. Corvinus says:
    @Thulean Friend

    “It’s pretty telling that all serious journalists…”

    Thanks for the No True Scotsman Fallacy. The fact of the matter is that in the case of Greenwald, the men and women at the Intercept, like other news outlets, sought verification. Greenwald punted. It’s not censorship going on here, but fact checking and authenticating.

    “Mainstream media has essentially been exposed as stenographers of the Deep State”.

    You do realize that Mr. Unz relies on stories from the MSM to support his arguments, right? And, as he admitted, he does not believe the MSM always lies, and that one may rely on their articles from them to help support one’s line of thinking. So, in light of these facts, do you still believe what you just said?

    • Troll: Redman, FB, lavoisier
  72. Miro23 says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    An amazing set of links. The Wokes at Google (top to bottom) have decided that whites don’t have a white (European) identity and any evidence of it has to be erased or falsified. Clean search results for a “white couples” search would unsurprisingly show white couples.

    If the integrity of internet search is ever legislated, then there’s enough evidence right here to shut down their whole multi-billion dollar search operation.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  73. Skeptikal says:
    @RoatanBill

    According to Sibel Edmonds Greenwald actually sold the remainder of the Snowden emails—the remainder being 99% of them– to Omidyar for $250 mill.

    Which if true put Omidyar in a good position to blackmail the blackmailers, as Edmonds observes.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @Ron Unz
  74. Crass says:

    Maybe Glenn Greenwald can now finally publish all the documents he got from Edward Snowden, now that he is free from the shackles of The Intercept?

    What was the excuse he gave again, oh yes I remember. He stated that The Intercept wouldn’t publish the remainder of Snowden’s material due to a shortage of funds. Maybe The Intercept needed a Trillionaire owner as their Billionaire owner simply had not got the funds to publish The Snowden Files. You are a Man of real Integrity Glenn Greenwald! Then again you are a Journalist, It is in you Job Description to tell Lies for a Living.

    I suppose he could publish Snowden’s Prism Leaks, if himself and his corrupt fellow Presstitutes had not destroyed the Prism Leaks, or returned them back to the NSA or CIA.

    A Job well done Glenn Greenwald, and for all your underhand dealings and the Propaganda you were spewing over at The Intercept, you deserve a Vacation. A Sodomy Tour of some remote Brazilian villages where you can bring your Culture to some unwilling Boys, should be just reward for you, because you have a lot of experience and practice at this sort of thing, as this is what you were doing to the naive imbeciles that read your articles over at The Intercept.

    • LOL: FB
  75. @Johnny Smoggins

    that protective status

    I see variations on this formulation occasionally, and I confess I don’t know what it means. Journalists have rights and protections above and beyond us ordinary citizens? That’s news to me. What are these special rights and privileges, who grants them, and how can ordinary mortals attain them?

    I wonder why Greenwald got protective status while Assange didn’t? What could possibly be different about the two men?

    I assume this is hinting at triple parentheses, but I’m still back here at square one, not knowing what “protective status” is.

  76. Controlled opposition:
    “Can we attack Greenwald for writing in support of the fraudulent war on terror to avenge 9/11? What about his benefactor (Omidyar) being directly involved in the staged revolution in Ukraine? Glenn sure knows how to pick em. Once a fraud, always a fraud.”

    “Glenn Greenwald fans pretending that Glenn Greenwald didn’t know exactly who Pierre Omidyar is and what he represents are really annoying to me. This was no principled stand, the real story is the fact that he chose to work for such an operation for so long in the first place.”

    • Replies: @Beautiful Evidence
  77. Skeptikal says:
    @Supply and Demand

    We need to find out exactly what deal Greenwald made with Snowden, and whether he stuck to it.

    Has Greenwald shared the reputed $250 mill with Snowden?
    Was Snowden informed of Greenwald’s deal with Omidyar?
    Quetions, questions . . .

    Which do not, however, IMHO, impugn the value of Greenwald’s reporting on the Biden mob. The problem there is that the Bidens moved too quickly to combine standard political with standard business corruption. They should have waited a generation or at least an electoral cycle, but got greedy.

  78. @Johnny Smoggins

    Assange used to work for them and he knows things that can never see the light of day. (that is not my original theory and I give it only a 70-30 shot at truth.)

  79. @brabantian

    If Snowden is CIA, why is he stuck in Moscow?

    If Putin thinks Snowden is fake, why does Putin tolerate him there?

  80. @anonymous

    The sports, weather, and financial reports are mostly accurate! : )

  81. Any thoughts on inviting Greenwald, Taibbi, et al. to publish on Unz.com?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    , @Ron Unz
  82. Rubicon says:
    @Bill Jones

    Thank you, Bill, for providing the link you found.
    It fully explains a very serious dilemma facing the US & the EU people in that it reveals the sinister motives behind these multi-billionaires and how their “message” denies real truths for the citizens.

    The vast majority of American/European citizens DO NOT have “discerning minds” leaving them
    a mass of useless carcasses while the Super Wealthy act in concert with each other in promoting:
    “THE GREAT RESET.” Covid/Lockdowns reveal the beginnings of The Great Reset.

    Get educated now about ITS’ implications.

  83. @Skeptikal

    I know of Sibel Edmonds and her history as a translator.

    How would she know about the deal you describe and specifically about the value?

    That Greenwald and Omidyar are snakes and would do such a thing wouldn’t surprise me at all. I just have trouble believing that anyone KNOWS this to be so and in such detail.

  84. Redman says:
    @gaston julia

    Remarkably bland comments from Scahill. Pure damage control.

  85. @Thulean Friend

    A great man of courage who wrote without spin,
    RIP truth warrior who walked the line.

  86. @RoatanBill

    “He’s tainted from here on out”

    Quite the opposite. The Intercept, a blog I once read regularly until it descended into distraction identity politics, is now a partisan rag. Like the NYTimes and WaPo, it’ll probably become a limited hangout for the intelligence barons. Greenwald leaving the outlet he helped create is a sign of integrity.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  87. @Ron Unz

    One significant complaint on your system, Ron. It’s the (commenting too much—take a rest blurb )which shows up at a certain frequency of postings. Well understandable in the earlier hours open to the commentariat. Some points of view which repeat, re-state and regurgitate can be a bit overwhelming. However, as time wears on and most posters have already had their say, this safeguard can get to be a bit of “one size fits all”. That, I find onerous. Is there any way that this possible oversight can be remedied?

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  88. @Syd Walker

    I’m not holding my breath on Greenwald fessing up on the 911 In$ide Job. Even couched away in Brazil with with his well-placed lover, Greenwald is well aware of the suicides (smirk) of Gary Webb and other gonzo journalists who opened the lid to one of Pandora’s many boxes just a bit too gapingly.

  89. GoodTwin says:

    Media bias is as old as time, does anyone recall an election that was so one-sided in the disinfo? Trump must be doing something right.

  90. @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Not all natural monopolies depend on physical cables or pipelines. Markets have natural monopolies because sellers want to be where the most buyers are and buyers want to be where the most sellers are. Once a market becomes that place, it has become the market hegemon.

    If you’re retailing commodity items, Amazon has the most buyers (and physical infrastructure too, but it consists of warehouses and delivery vehicles rather than pipes and cables). If you’re buying retail commodity items, Amazon has the most sellers. It is natural that one marketplace would dominate this trade, and Amazon has become it.

    Facebook has done the same as with interpersonal communication. You can go on MySpace if you want, but hardly anyone is there. If you want to keep up with your extended family, old friends, chances are Facebook is the way.

    I’d add Twitter as having done the same as an exchange for short-form news and opinion.

    Google certainly has monopoly-esque market share, but it is the least “natural” among those listed by Mr. Unz. To buttress their monopoly-esque market share, Google has branched out into a lot of things (Gmail, Android, Google Apps, Chrome browser, Chromebooks, etc.) that are not obviously related to search and may not make any money in and of themselves, but which tend to embed users deeper into the Google operating system. So they are certainly trying to be monopolists, irrespective of how naturally monopolitive their market is.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  91. @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    Social media is where discourse dumbs down, and complexity suffocates.

    People can and should invite other social media users to this website. But don’t cater to their taste for pablum. Those unwilling to read what’s published here aren’t worth worrying about.

  92. @SunBakedSuburb

    a sign of integrity

    Really?

    Look at all the people who suddenly developed a conscience or what some might term ‘found religion’ when the pendulum on the gig they were promoting started swinging the opposite direction.

    Judge Napolitano. He was a state worshiper and enforcer and then suddenly found a voice chastising the paymasters that supported him for decades.

    Karen Kwiatkowski. Military career lifer that suddenly turns around to see the negative side of the military that supported her sorry ass for decades.

    Larry Wilkerson. Career military / political bureaucrat that helps found the Transition Integrity Project. The same scumbag that worked for Colin Powell and helped him lie to the world holding a small vial of some powder.

    All the past senators and congresscritters that become lobbyists for foreign gov’ts.

    Do these people also have integrity, in your opinion?

    Sorry, but once you associate with the worst the society has to offer, you are forever a POS.

    • Troll: Biff, Redman
  93. Dumbo says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    happy white woman

    LOL. I suppose the main objective of Google these days is to demoralize white people (and in particular white males). I guess the main reason why they got this Hindoo dude Sundae Pikachu or however he’s called as CEO is not because he’s particularly bright, but just to stick it to white people.

    I’m trying to use Bing now, it’s less blatantly anti-white.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  94. As I’ve mentioned elsewhere, when The Intercept started I was excited for an integrity-filled left-wing news source, and I read it every day. But they got TDS, I stopped reading them, and I haven’t read anything on their cite in about 2-3 years. Sad!

    • Replies: @Redman
  95. anon[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    So the government went out of its way to argue that Assange wasn’t really a journalist, and although the argument is doubtful, it apparently succeeded in persuading the MSM to avoid defending him.

    The very phrasing of your sentence indicts your privileged mindset.

    The government is not and should be in the business of persuading MSM of anything. MSM and Americans (and foreigners ..) that make a living writing for American news companies are not the “jury of peers” and their acceptance is not require for anything, at all, as far as the Law is concerned.

    The subject of persuasion is supposed to be us, the “ordinary” American Citizens, siting in the jury box, and not the owners and employees of private corporations, many of whom are not even Americans.

  96. @Polite Intellectual

    Agree.

    They both have large followings and so would boost Unz.com’s circulation and prominence. And there could be fertile cross-pollination between their more independent-thinking readers and Unz’s independent-thinking readers.

    And they both don’t have much to lose since they are already getting censored by the Tech and Media Establishment.

    • Agree: davidgmillsatty
  97. @RoatanBill

    “My children are lovesome things, God wot!
    But other people’s nasty brats are not”
    The same, of course is true (with knobs on) for brainchildren. However, I cannot but agree with

    The commenting section on this site is the absolute best on the Internet.

    I would add that in spite of Ron Unz saying

    With comments on our website being very lightly moderated,

    the quality of the discussion here is far higher than on any other sites I have come across. MoA comes next, but there the numbering gets all tangled up by the moderation. Most other sites are so heavily moderated (censored) that they cease to be interesting or informative or they degenerate into name calling, while other get filled up with tired old lies. (“After Russia annexed Crimea…”) (“Russia which poisoned the Skripals…”) (“After the Russian attack on Georgia..”) and so on.

    Talking of “other sites”; the “Fact Checkers”, conveniently, provide one with a list of 200 “Unreliable ” sites!

  98. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:

    These days I am reminded of how the great Pauline Kael, reviewing “The Graduate,” says that Benjamin:

    “has nothing to communicate which is just what makes him an acceptable hero for the large movie audience. If he said anything or had any ideas, the audience would probably hate him.“

    Biden, an “acceptable hero,” cannily and of necessity has nothing to communicate; whereas The NY Post, and now Greenwald, have the audacity to try to communicate. Commenters and essayists here likewise have important observations and ideas to communicate, but I fear that under a Harris justice department, they will not be allowed to do so. Tucker asked Greenwald what his censoring portends for America. Greenwald totally ignored the question. Recently Tucker seems to worry about his own future censoring.

  99. Robjil says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Try

    happy caucasian woman

    The powers to be are not fiddling with that term.

    Caucasian should be the term for “white” any way.

    White, Black, Yellow, Red or Brown are just colors. They do not give any clues to ancestry.

  100. Daniel H says:

    This process is facilitated by the commenting-software I have designed, which I think is far superior in many respects to what I have seen elsewhere.

    Curious. What software language do you use to create and manage Unz review? Python?

    • Replies: @Daniel H
  101. dorkalope says:

    Mr Unz
    HIRE Greenwald and Taibbi for the UR

  102. Daniel H says:
    @Daniel H

    Didn’t read all the comments. You already answered. Thanks. Nonetheless, good work.

  103. “The large crew of New York editors” — ‘nuf said.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  104. republic says:
    @brabantian

    Did you ever make comments on ZeroHedge severals years ago?

  105. It was always a little unclear to me how this Intercept thingie was supposed to work. Okay, Greenwald and his confrères want to be free of editorial control. But then they hire a bunch of editors, give them control over what gets published, and pay their chief a vastly inflated salary! Well, how did they think that was going to work out?

    Similarly, besides Greenwald and Poitras, who actually did the work of the great Snowden revelation and brought the gift of that data, The Intercept had a third “founder”, the mediocre and vituperative Jeremy Scahill whose accomplishments are relatively small and whose motives are transparently more ideological. Why share credit—and authority—with someone with so much less talent and more bias?

    The only explanation I can see is that just as a fish doesn’t realize that it is wet, because it is not aware of non-wetness, Greenwald and Poitras didn’t realize how badly biased and ideological their new colleagues were because in the journalistic world, nearly everyone is biased and ideological. So when they thought they were starting a new and fresh platform, free of the “Procrustean tendencies” of the Old Establishment, they didn’t realize that those tendencies weren’t external structures they could leave behind, but rather those tendencies lived in the very hearts and minds of the people they were bringing on board. Ultimately, the inevitable happened.

    The main problem with journalism is journalists. You can’t fix that just by moving those same people onto a new platform.

    • Replies: @gaston julia
  106. @cranc

    A comments section is my litmus test for the transparency of a media outlet. Those without comment sections make it very clear that they have no intention to tell the truth or respond to criticism. Those with heavily moderated comment sections (The New York Times) curate the comment section into an echo chamber so it’s almost as bad as eliminating comments entirely. Really any comment section that uses an upvote/downvote system (any site that uses Disqus) will fall victim to this. Unz and certain infamous image boards are the exception, where unpopular comments actually receive more attention due to reactions and replies rather than a vote system that simply affirms the prejudices of the readership

  107. Thank you, Mr. Unz, for this article and thanks for this web site. It has become a site I scan daily. It is also has one of the few comment sections in which I participate. The comments are quite often as thought provoking as the articles.

    • Agree: gay troll
  108. @Greta Handel

    Maybe.
    The existence of lowest-common-denominator / low-road social media doesn’t, of itself, rule out the possibility of ascent-to-higher / high-road social media. Regardless of medium there’s always going to be a low road. Only question, usually, is whether there are high road alternatives for those who wish to take them.
    My observation: extremist politics advance by cutting off the high roads until everyone is fighting for the same low road.

  109. Richard B says:
    @GeeBee

    Many thanks for this piece Ron.

    “Mainstream media has essentially been exposed as stenographers of the Deep State. The term ‘fake news’ will outlive Trump long into the future.”

    Absolutely! Couldn’t agree more, to both the thanks to Ron and the above quote from your comment.

    careworn face that appears on the video link to the Tucker Carlson interview

    The old saying

    a picture’s worth a thousand words

    comes irresistably to mind. The expressions on the faces of both men in that video link are priceless. Really says it all. Caputres these times perfectly.

    • Agree: mark green
  110. @Almost Missouri

    I doubt they would share a platform with some of the other writers on this website, particularly the more racialist leaning ones and especially the likes of Andrew Joyce of the Occidental Observer whose articles are regularly republished here.

    • Agree: Dissident
    • Replies: @AndrewR
  111. @Robjil

    I think the point was not how to skirt around the propaganda, but rather that the propaganda exists in the first place, and exists inside a supposed neutral, unbiased, “don’t be evil” search engine.

    When writing these search algorithms, it is much more cost, work and overhead to introduce all these biases and exceptions into it. Yet this company, for whom shareholder value is supposed to be its top priority*, goes out of its way and incurs these extra costs just to injure and insult a segment of their users they dislike.

    These are not software bugs. These are deliberate programs, undertaken by real people, to harm other people and misreport reality. Why do they do that?

    And then consider that this is just the part of the iceberg that you happen to be able to see.

    ——

    *Remember in the old days when “activist” shareholders used to introduce shareholder resolutions to divest from South Africa or stick to their corporate knitting by forswearing ideological crusades or whatever? Good times, good times.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  112. @Sollipsist

    “Much of this material may be ignorant or insane…”

    Some of it is. However, compared to the msm. . . . . . .there is a degree of balance in UR that is lacking in the msm, where there is a relentless bias in one direction and a censoring that is blessedly absent here. For example, in msm reporting, even what one would normally think of as good news, coming from China or Russia, is twisted almost beyond recognition into something threatening or potentially disastrous or alternatively, completely ignored or denied. Any friendly action by any of the current bogey-countries is derided, twisted into” propaganda”, denied or ignored. Never, under any circumstances, is it to be welcomed. E.g. Russian Cuban and Chinese help to Italy at the start of the pandemic. It calls to mind not so much “looking a gift-horse in the mouth” as searching around the roots of its teeth, searching for individual pathological bacteria and then inflating them into a fatal disease!

    • Agree: Badger Down
  113. utu says:
    @israel shamir

    It might be possible that The Intercept was created and well funded solely to provide a vehicle to pay off Greenwald. The Intercept was launched in February 2014 which is about one year after Snowden reached out to Greenwald. This might be the reason, as Ron Unz observed, for unoriginal and meager record of The intercept.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  114. chris says:
    @GeeBee

    MSM journalism is dead, killed by the new printing press of the Internet. This tool finally exposed them as the frauds they had always been.

    But such a state of affairs has been profoundly embarrassing for the establishment in the US.gov for whom they’ve always functioned as the propaganda arm. Because the .gov couldn’t simply bail the MSM out the way they did all their other supporters on Wall Street, they reverted to plan B, in which oligarchs were encouraged to buy up existing, or to create new “news organizations” which were no longer to require profitability but were to serve as boutique entities feigning to function as a free press.

    Thus we got amazon’s WoPo, MSNBC, the Quincy Institute, the Intercept, etc.. The whole thing is a complete scam, unless you’re interested in what the deep state wants you to know, in which case you can just peruse the headlines of their propaganda outlets to find out.

  115. @Bardon Kaldian

    Thanks man. This material is telling.

  116. utu says:
    @Crass

    “Glenn Greenwald is simply playing Partisan Politics between two factions, with his resignation from The Intercept” – The question is why? Is it possible that the election is rigged for Trump and Hunter’s files revelation serves the same purpose as James Comey’s decision on Hillary’s emails and server just a week or so before voting in 2016? It is a message to media and pollsters to not overdo the hype of Biden’s winning just as they did overdo Hillary’s winning in 2016. In 2016 not everybody got the message that James Comey was sending.

  117. Miro23 says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    On reflection, there may not be so much wrong with Google search results.

    Minorities would be more likely to search for “happy Asian woman” or “happy Black woman” if they were Asian or Black since just “happy woman” would more likely just provide images of European women.

    I would find it unlikely that a European would search for “happy white woman”. Just “happy woman” would be good enough:

    https://www.google.es/search?q=happy+woman&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwif97L7zeTsAhXBw4UKHRmMCRsQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=happy+woman&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQDDICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAA6BAgjECc6BAgAEEM6BQgAELEDUI_DCliR4QpgxoMLaABwAHgAgAG3AogB8Q6SAQcxLjkuMC4xmAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=6F-gX5_jC8GHlwSZmKbYAQ&bih=757&biw=1440&safe=off

    The “happy white woman” search term looks unusual and unnatural, with its deliberately manipulated results. Google didn’t have to do the manipulating.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  118. utu says:
    @Crass

    “Maybe Glenn Greenwald can now finally publish all the documents he got from Edward Snowden, now that he is free from the shackles of The Intercept?” – No. He already took a lot of money for not publishing it. His mission now, as I speculate in previous comment, is on the behalf of the pro Trump Deep Sate. They are the same people who wanted to hide all Snowden leaks that could compromise Israel.

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
    , @Redman
  119. @anonymous

    The strange thing is that when someone has a keen or professional knowledge of a subject, be it farming, medicine, aeronautics or anything else, they know from experience, that what they read about it in the msm is largely rubbish and yet they STILL often believe what the msm says about things of which they (the reader) are ignorant!

    • Agree: RodW
  120. Handle25 says:

    Here’s the latest IRS Form 990 for First Look Media, the Intercept’s parent company. Compensation info is on page 8.

    https://firstlook.media/static/FLMW-2018-990.pdf

    Someone upthread wondered what Philip Greenspun is up to. He’s actively blogging:

    https://philip.greenspun.com/blog/

  121. @Ron Unz

    Let me add to the low-grade ore of the comment section of this webzine and say just this: The design of this comment section is – by far – the best I’ve come across so far.
    I just say thank you Ron Unz one more time. Free speech – for writers and commenters – is one of the most precious things that there are in the modern world.

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous, JackOH
    • Thanks: Ron Unz
  122. Anonymous[417] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    over the last couple of years I’ve been spending 10x as much time on my reading, research, and writing, which I think may be more important right now.

    Agree.

    Neighbors are almost to a doorstep Biden’s willing executioners.

    I print your essays and deliver them to those doorsteps

    It’s a Walt Whitman thing:

    I find letters from the God of alternative media dropt in the street, and every one is sign’d by that media God’s name,
    And I leave them where they are, for I know that wheresoe’er I go,
    Others will punctually come for ever and ever.

    — but the last line: Does Unz Review have a succession plan?
    Is it spawning other media godlets willing and talented enough to “come punctually for ever and ever” — or at least until the Borg is vanquished?

  123. Ron Unz says:
    @Syd Walker

    Anyhow, that’s a long preamble to asking why Glenn Greenwald, at least until now, has avoided the crucial issue of what really took place on 9/11.

    Well, my strong impression is that all sorts of influential mainstream people know or strongly suspect all sorts of “controversial” things, but keep silent about them for a variety of reasons.

    For example, they believe they must protect their “political viability” in order to accomplish lots of important things, including breaking crucial stories. Or they’re worried about the embarrassment or harassment they could suffer, including severe damage to their careers or livelihoods.

    I’ve actually occasionally tried to get a couple of such people I’m a little friendly with to move forward on at least some of the least dangerous of those issues, but with absolutely no luck though they’re certainly willing to freely discuss the topics in private.

    • Replies: @Majority of One
    , @SND
  124. Ron Unz says:
    @Skeptikal

    According to Sibel Edmonds Greenwald actually sold the remainder of the Snowden emails—the remainder being 99% of them– to Omidyar for $250 mill.

    Which if true put Omidyar in a good position to blackmail the blackmailers, as Edmonds observes.

    Frankly, this is exactly the sort of ridiculous nonsense that gives “conspiracy people” a bad reputation…

    First, if the story were true, how in the world would Edmonds be the only person to hear about it? Does she hang out with Omidyar every weekend, and once he got drunk and gossiped to her?

    Second, does the theory make any logical sense? If Greenwald had been paid $250 million years ago, and was unhappy with his editors at The Intercept, why didn’t he leave long ago? And why would he now resign after an angry exchange? I think journalists with $250M in the bank tend to act differently than journalists without $250M in the bank…

    • Agree: utu, Mr McKenna, CollDoll
    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    , @Anonymous
  125. @Ron Unz

    Edmonds has a personal problem in that she wants people to listen to her but she only has one good story and it’s 18 years old at this point. Although to be fair it was one hell of a good story.

    • Agree: Ron Unz, utu
  126. Ron Unz says:
    @Polite Intellectual

    Any thoughts on inviting Greenwald, Taibbi, et al. to publish on Unz.com?

    Well, I’d obviously be very eager to have them, but I very much tend to doubt they’d be willing…

    All of them, including Chris Hedges, may certainly bemoan various dishonest MSM cover-ups involving corruption or government abuses, but I think much of the material in my own American Pravda series would make their hair stand on end, or rather they fear it would make all their friends’ hair stand on end:

    https://www.unz.com/page/american-pravda-series/

    And even if my own 300,000 words of ultra-touchy “conspiracy theories” wouldn’t be enough to scare them off, my impression is that most individuals situated in the “conspiratorial Alt-Left” are totally horrified by the views and writings of members of the “racialist Alt-Right,” whom we also regularly publish:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/white-racialism-in-america-then-and-now/

  127. nebulafox says:
    @Corvinus

    CorvyLogic: since the Fourth Estate does not always lie or censor, they never do.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  128. Anon[223] • Disclaimer says:

    Ron,
    You wrote “I regarded Trump and Biden as exceptionally bad candidates”.
    I’m curious, who do you think, in the political world today, would be a good candidate? There has to at least be someone who you regard as positive for the country.
    Do you think that there is anyone in the country that can solve our problems(economic, demographic, corona, etc)?

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
  129. @Almost Missouri

    They are all “unnatural monopolies” in that they constructively monopolize (via political influence) the activities they are engaged in whilst utilizing a taxpayer funded infrastructure and underhanded tactics to twart competitors in the marketplace of ideas and merchandise/services.

  130. TKK says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    WOW!!!

    That is unbelievable. Google truly hates the heterosexual, white, traditional family.

    Thank you for that, Bardon.

    And, isn’t a writer like Ron Unz wonderful, in this dumbed down age, for forcing me to look up words I did not know:

    Procrustean
    bagatelle

    The search for intellectual truths continues on The Unz Review.

  131. @Robjil

    I went to Google search and entered “Happy Caucasian woman” and the answer I got was 8 images of Caucasian women. 8!

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  132. Ron Unz says:
    @utu

    It might be possible that The Intercept was created and well funded solely to provide a vehicle to pay off Greenwald. The Intercept was launched in February 2014 which is about one year after Snowden reached out to Greenwald.

    This seems very unlikely to me. I don’t think Greenwald ever earned more than around $500K per year at the publication, while Omidyar has probably already spent $150M on it, which seems an extremely inefficient pay-off method. If Greenwald were just being bribed, why not just put $50M into his secret Swiss bank account or something? Why hire all those highly-paid NYC editors to make his life miserable?

    I really think the more conspiratorially-minded commenters should read Ken Silverstein’s very negative 2015 article. The whole situation sounds exactly like the problems a generally well-intentioned but extremely naive Tech billionaire with no political or media experience would have in trying to start a new media outlet:

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/02/ken-silverstein-the-intercept-115586

    • Agree: John Achterhof
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    , @utu
    , @chris
    , @FB
  133. annamaria says:
    @israel shamir

    Decent people like Colonel Lang will disagree with you.
    Most likely, Snowden did not want to see the CIA agents endangered and killed because of publishing the trove. Snowden is an American patriot – unlike the majority of the US Congress. He has exposed the crimes of the deciders such as Clintons, Obama, Bushies, Cheney, and similar scam from a powerful clan of mega war-profiteers. This is why he has been treated so indecently by the ‘judicial’ system in the UK/US.
    Julian Assange was very clear about his desire to protect low-level functionaries as compared to high-level criminals.
    Along with Clinton’s “we came, we saw, he died” (see ruined Libya, the rise in child mortality and restoration of slave market there) her other famous expression was “Can we drone Assange?”

    • Agree: Ron Unz
  134. Alfred says:

    In Ukraine, they have a much better way of censoring this search:

    https://yandex.com/search/?text=mccain+pows

    You get a notice to tell you the following in Ukrainian:

    Dear subscriber!

    Access to this resource is blocked in accordance with the Decree of the President of Ukraine №184 / 2020 On the decision of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine of May 14, 2020 “On the application of personal special economic and other restrictive measures (sanctions)”.
    You can get online support and answers to questions on the Subscriber’s Portal,
    in the Volia Club community and on the official Facebook page.
    Thank you for staying with ВОЛЯ!

  135. nebulafox says:
    @Ron Unz

    After multiple decades of social conditioning, a lot of normally rational, intelligent people implicitly put racism on the same moral level as child molestation. Even if they are leery about the current direction of the American Left and recognize that the best way of encouraging white identity politics is engaging in the rhetoric the Democrats and their ideological allies have been for the past several years, this is so compulsive that guilt by association results, and partly explains the lack of pushback against objectively insane elite views on things like immigration or trade. Anyway, as you probably already could guess, many “Alt-Left” types at places like SSC who are disturbed at the current direction of their wing of the political spectrum in the US still genuinely think that you yourself are a white supremacist until evidence to the contrary is presented. Once that is done, you get the “Well, OK, but look at who is on there” spiel, complete with excerpts from some of the louder/more eccentric identitarian commentators. No, the reflexes are not passable. Tracey/Carlson is as good as it is going to get for the moment for cross-dissenter understanding.

    I’m not sure whether this instinctual response is how people have always been, or if our current historical moment is particularly egregious.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  136. conatus says:

    In the podcast with Hedges and Taibbi discuss(around 8:00 to 11:00) the fakery of the Caliphate, a NYT podcast, they characterize it as a ‘snuff film’.The storyteller, A Canadian citizen who ostensibly went over to fight with the Caliphate and committed horrendous acts of violence has been arrested in Canada for perpetrating a hoax. The NYT simply ignored the fakery because nobody cared. Its readership simply moved on.”Interesting story, lotsa gore, too bad it is not true”To me this smacks of an over eagerness to believe, a credulousness that overwhelms any critical faculties one might possess. An over willingness to suspend disbelief. I saw
    ‘The Equalizer ‘recently and a gripping tale of right over wrong it was. Denzel Washington is a Robin Hood type guy with almost superman like killing powers. His eye flicks around and he kills 5 Russian mob killers with gewgaws and bottle openers. Later he kills five more with Home Depot off-the-shelf items.I wanted to believe, I liked Denzel and he stuck up for the regular folk.But give me a break, my skepticism and disbelief quickly disappeared as the action and plot took over.Anyway I assume, due to computer gaming we are more willing to believe in guys like Denzel with computer eyes and  lightning reflexes. I think there is a similar process involved in the increasing credulity of the American public. “We are punished if we go off the reservation, what do you want us college grads to believe?”
    And are we rewarded for skepticism or disbelief? I don’t think so, better to suspend your disbelief and salaciously listen to the next episode of the New York Times  Caliphate podcast. Nurture that outrage, that is what you are supposed to do.

  137. @Miro23

    This would be meaningful if it was not for google.es (or any other type). Why would google.com give “happy asian woman” simply as Asian- and not in combination with a partner of another race- which is, by the way, more frequent than is the case with white women?

    No, that happy women… category is simply as manipulative as european history, american inventors etc.

    [MORE]

    european art

    https://www.google.com/search?q=european+art&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=ALeKk00cF1or_mkF1yzR-ye7mAE4PkcgvA:1604349436916&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi4qKGy2-TsAhXdBxAIHbE3BYAQ_AUoAXoECAUQAw&biw=1651&bih=787

    How can European art give search results that point to Africans & slavery in European art? Are these the most important artistic topics of European art?

    american scientists

    https://www.google.com/search?q=american+scientists&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwj-zf3c2-TsAhWGw4UKHUaTCmUQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=american+scientists&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIECCMQJzIECAAQEzIECAAQEzIECAAQEzIICAAQBRAeEBMyCAgAEAUQHhATMggIABAFEB4QEzIICAAQBRAeEBMyCAgAEAUQHhATMggIABAFEB4QEzoECAAQQzoFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAeUKNmWOGSAWComAFoAHAAeACAAYMBiAHLD5IBBDYuMTOYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=Vm6gX_7KHoaHlwTGpqqoBg&bih=787&biw=1651&client=firefox-b-d

    white man

    https://www.google.com/search?q=white+man&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjyuI6V3eTsAhUPVhoKHavNDvEQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=white+man&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIECCMQJzICCAAyAggAMgIIADIECAAQHjIECAAQHjIECAAQHjIECAAQHjIECAAQHjIECAAQHjoFCAAQsQM6BAgAEENQssYCWLz1AmD-_AJoA3AAeACAAXSIAcIJkgEDNi42mAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=2G-gX_LsJ4-saaubu4gP&bih=787&biw=1651&client=firefox-b-d

    black man

    https://www.google.com/search?q=black+man&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiEtOOs3eTsAhVa0oUKHZt8APAQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=black+man&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIECAAQQzICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADoECAAQEzoGCAAQBxAeUOe2AljyxAJg4M4CaABwAHgAgAGwAYgB5wSSAQMwLjWYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=CnCgX4SHEdqklwSb-YGADw&bih=787&biw=1651&client=firefox-b-d

    Alright- just compare “white man” and “black man”. And, do you see something….. weird?

  138. @Ron Unz

    So the government went out of its way to argue that Assange wasn’t really a journalist, and although the argument is doubtful, it apparently succeeded in persuading the MSM to avoid defending him.

    Here for once I find myself really disagreeing with Ron Unz; in my view the msm is no more independent of the government/establishment than is the civil service or the military. (Perhaps come to think about it, the military is MORE apt to ignore the government’s wishes!)

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
    • Replies: @utu
  139. Corvinus says:
    @nebulafox

    “CorvyLogic: since the Fourth Estate does not always lie or censor, they never do.”

    No, that would be your twisted rationale. I think you just can’t believe that Mr. Unz is not fully on board with the Fake News mantra that within the past four years has been making Americans intellectually sterile. Although, he does enable it to be perpetuated on his fine opinion webzine because it serves a useful purpose.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
  140. @Ron Unz

    I really think the more conspiratorially-minded commenters should read Ken Silverstein’s very negative 2015 article.

    It was not for no reason that Matt Taibbi retracted from signing on to The Intercept.

    Btw. – I do agree completely with your thesis, that it is difficult to create a useful publication.****

    As a rule of thump – it is no good sign if the title sucks. Now compare – Time Magazine, or The Atlantic, for example – to The Intercept. – Esp. if compared to rather perfect titles like the two I mentioned, The Intercept sounds – perfectly wrong, so to speak (I could have said awfully pretentious, too).

    **** Good publications have something in common with successful orders – they need a – spirit – – – and these articles can hardly be bought.

  141. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    You might be right. I really do not know. I speculate. But a “well-intentioned but extremely naive Tech billionaire” might be exactly a right person for the job. Transferring money to Swiss account is not the best idea for various reasons (including ethical on part of Greenwald), I think. But a salary of $500k per year for seven years is still substantial and most importantly legitimate.

    Rich benefactors often were used by CIA. When abstract expressionism was promoted in Europe in 1950s rich benefactors were sponsoring exhibitions but money was coming from CIA.

    One think we know (I think we do) is that the majority of files in Snowden’s trove were not published either by The Guardian or by The Intercept.

  142. @Ultrafart the Brave

    All the “competing” Australian mainstream news outlets parrot precisely the same syndicated “news” articles in sequence, day after day, every day of the year.

    That’s absolutely 100% true of foreign policy news – Australia has a gigantic conga line of Walter Duranty types, lining up to try to get a pat on the head from anyone with a US accent and a jones for bombing brown people.

    On domestic stuff there’s about 1.03 different voices, but that can get results.

    I watch and read very little mainstream news, but even I have become aware of the work being done by Sky News Straya to expose the corrupt, incompetent shitshow behind the Victorian government’s Stalinesque response to the Sick Old People virus.

    SkyOz’s coverage has already cost several senior bureaucrats their jobs – sadly it hasn’t resulted in them being torn apart by a vengeful mob, but modern metropolitan Australians are a bunch of soft-cocks.

    Sky News Straya is ‘mainstream’ in the same way as Fox News in the US is mainstream: it is a minnow compared with the major free-to-air networks, but it’s still mostly a bunch of lickspittle stenographers – the difference is that like Fox, SkyOz is consistently on one side of the political false-dichotomy, which happens coincidentally to be exactly the side that their proprietor would choose.

    It’s basically staffed with Liberal Party hacks, so the only reason they’ve taken aim at the Andrews government is because it’s a Labour government. If it was a Liberal government they wouldn’t have raised a peep (the rest of the press is not ‘pro-Labour’ per se: it’s pro-“Whoever’s in power“).

    Don’t get me wrong: I’m happy when anyone exposes political life for the corrupt bullshitting grubbery that it actually is – thankful for small mercies, as it were.

    Sky News Straya‘s recent performance shows that political grubbers are so bad at keeping secrets that motivated midwit journalists could expose corruption and dishonesty if they really want to… it’s just that they almost never want to.

    Peta Credlin’s better than a midwit, obviously. As a law student she won academic prizes[1] at THE University of Melbourne, which is a very good university (global #25). She became a political staffer the year after graduating: she must have done Articles, got admitted to practice, and then got a job as a staffer… so she is obviously is an amoral asshole with no actual principles, which makes her a good fit for both political-stafferdom, and partisan ‘journalism’.

    [1] She’s a Mick, and Newman’s a Mick college. I don’t know whether Credlin won subject (i.e., academic) prizes, or college (Mick) prizes: the latter are nonsense.

    She didn’t get an Honours degree, or else she would list it: LLB (Hons) from any of the Go8 is rarefied air.

    So she didn’t finish in the top few dozen students in her graduating year, but is better than an ‘also-ran’.

    For those outside Straya, Go8 is Australia’s 8 elite universities: ANU, U of Melbourne, Monash, UofQ, UofWA, UNSW, U of Sydney, U of Adelaide – of which, Melbourne is the best in discipline-agnostic terms. The top 4 (Melbourne, Sydney, UofQ, Monash) are all in the global top 50.

  143. chris says:
    @Ron Unz

    The whole situation sounds exactly like the problems a generally well-intentioned but extremely naive Tech billionaire with no political or media experience would have in trying to start a new media outlet:

    But your statement, Ron, implies that the establishment has no dog in the media business fight, as to who is to estsblish new or competing media outlets.

    Yet Greenwald’s current tribulations disprove such a passive stance on their part.

  144. @Dumbo

    “…I’m trying to use Bing now, it’s less blatantly anti-white…”

    If you search “happy white woman” in Bing, Images you get indeed pictures of mostly white women, but still also this one:

    and even this one:

    • Replies: @Crass
    , @Bill Jones
  145. utu says:
    @foolisholdman

    I sometimes wonder to what extend MSM is subsidized by the big business. Does really the big business need to advertise so much? Is somebody twisting their arms to advertise? MSM with its utmost important functions of narrative creation and cultural programming cannot be left to the whims of blind market forces.

  146. Robjil says:
    @Almost Missouri

    I agree.

    It is a very sad spectacle since 12.23.1913.

    The monster is at its apex in our time.

    A new version of the State of Liberty poem needs to be wrote.

    Not like the brazen giant of Zion fame,
    With conquering Zion deluded limbs astride from land to land;
    Here at our sea-washed, sunset ( Zion set) gates shall stand
    A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame ( no censorship, real freedom of speech)
    Is the imprisoned (Zion censored) lightning, and her name
    Mother of (Zion) Exiles. From her beacon ( no censorship , no propaganda)-hand
    Glows world-wide welcome (to real freedom of speech, no censorship ); her mild ( no restrictions of what to see) eyes command
    The air-bridged harbor that twin towers( that Zion destroyed) frame.

    “Keep, Zion lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
    With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor ( Zion regime change victims),
    Your (Zion brainwashed) huddled masses yearning to breathe free of Zion,
    The wretched refuse ( that Zion tormented) of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost ( by Torah delusions-tossed) to me,
    I lift my lamp ( no censorship, real freedom of speech) beside the golden door of freedom from Zion!”

    • LOL: gay troll
    • Replies: @gay troll
  147. @GeeBee

    He looks a little botox’d but I don’t blame him since he obviously will compare himself with his much younger Brazilian beefcake husband.

  148. Sean says:
    @Ron Unz

    For something to be properly called a conspiracy any participants must be cooperating in clandestine action to an end that is against the interests of their institution, and that they would be punished severely for if it were to come to light. The wider society and the institutions that make it up are quite good at ensuring their interests are not damaged by secret groups, and the individual looking to his own interests–as do we all– would have compelling selfish reasons not to violate the trust placed in him by society. For one thing, it is a massive leap of faith to join what one is told is a powerful high level secret group because as it has no formally organised structure there is no way to verify who is in it, what the objectives are, who is really pulling the strings, and whether they have good intentions toward one. Numerous other objections

    Firstly, it could be a sting operation by internal security.
    Secondly, the person telling you about it could be a con man, bushitter/psychotic.
    Thirdly how could one know whether the recruiters were greatly exaggerating the conspiracy’s ability to reward and protect its new members?
    Fourthly, how could anyone know that is was not a foreign intelligence service that stood behind a ostensibly domestic conspiracy they were being contacted by?
    Fifth, they would be opening an account that could never be closed; immediately they’d know too much to ever leave and be left alive to talk.

    This is the reason for honour among thieves, once you cut someone out there is no reason not to keep going and no end to it.

    Members of a conspiracy that is in a position to seize power must worry not only about being infiltrated from the outside, but also about being overthrown by some smaller coalition of insiders. If a group consists of a hundred people, and a majority of sixty can take power and disenfranchise the non-conspirators, what is then to stop a subset of thirty five from disenfranchising other twenty five? And then maybe subset of twenty disenfranchising the other fifteen. Each of the original hundred might have good reason to uphold certain established norms to prevent the general unraveling that would follow … (Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies by Nick Bostrom)

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  149. @gaston julia

    Comments closed on the Scahill article.

    Any time I see that, I know it’s someone to ignore: it shows that they are aware of the likelihood of criticism, but are too gutless to face its actual presence. Weak cuck no-balls-having faggotry.

  150. @utu

    So how was it his decision not to publish what he got from Snowden? Did he just withhold it from the Guardian or whomever he was working for at the time? If it belonged to the Guardian and the Guardian refused to publish it, how was that his fault? And then who paid him to withhold it if he held it from his employer? If you have answers I am all ears. Is Snowden on record somewhere about what documents he had that were not published? I would really like to know.

  151. Crass says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Is this a Spot the Difference game?

    Can I play…….. The Chimpanzee is not holding a Glass of Wine in the Second Picture. That’s the only difference I can make out.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  152. @Ron Unz

    As a recovering journalist I can attest to the inner meaning of “freedom of the press”. Only the owners of the rags have the freedom to print what they feel like printing. After being fired from the rinky-dink twice weekly small city rag: I said “fuck it” to the suit and tie and being seated directly beneath the front-office wall clock.

    Step number next was to write a number of essays, get in touch with a printer and begin publication of what became the most broadly circulated alternative monthly in my state. After putting out 56 editions, I burned out on all the tasks, told the readers why and headed off for half a year hitch-hiking around NW Europe.

    The local and state governments I had tagged likely breathed sighs of relief. I’d even had the state’s attorney general wrapped up in ex-cathedra pronunciamentos he could no way enforce.

  153. FB says: • Website

    Good article…

    It’s pretty obvious what The Intercept was meant to do from the beginning…to coopt alternative media voices and to quietly snuff them out with big fluffy pillows of cash…

    In fact, this was obvious to some right from the get-go…In a 2013 article shining light on the Oligarch Pierre Omidyar, Mark Ames and Yasha Levine found plenty to be skeptical about…even if Greenwald himself found the notion of ulterior motivation on the billionaire’s part rather ludicrous…

    Update [2013]: Glenn Greenwald responds to this piece on Twitter: “The idea that someone would build a pro-business, neoliberal outlet around Scahill, Poitras, Segura, Bates etc is just dumb.”

    When asked about Omidyar Network’s investment history, he said “I have no idea what you’re talking about there. I don’t speak for Omidyar Networks. You should ask them that.”

    –The Extraordinary Pierre Omidyar

    Poor Greenwald…dazzled by the big bucks, but ended up hoisted on his own petard…😂

    Of course none of this infiltration of alternative media is new…it is very very old stuff, going right back to the immediate postwar years and the mobilization of the oligarchy [partnering with the deep state] to combat communism and communist ‘propaganda’, which, curiously, seemed to be catching on with ordinary folks, especially the young and educated…

    Hence Operation Mockingbird, which saw mighty oligarch institutions like the Rockefeller and Ford foundations, teaming with the CIA to subvert student movements and alternative media…most often by co-opting, the most successful strategy by far…

    Today, you will see the Omidyar Network listed on the same donor pages to all the usual stink tanks and scumbag outfits as the Rockefellers and Fords…he is simply the latest billionaire scumbag trying to pull the wool over people’s eyes, and The Intercept was a big part of that…Omidyar looks at that $200 million as a worthwhile throw-away intended only to corrode from the inside the energy and lifeblood of the emerging, energetic alternate media voices that have decided to fight for truth and to shine the light on dark, shadowy corners…

    The idea that this scumbag would ever be for truth and transparency is utterly laughable…when will people learn that the oligarchs are not on your side…?

    Yeah, it’s all pretty disgusting, but par for the course that has been going on for decades…just a few of the more well known books on the subject, here…

    • Replies: @Majority of One
    , @Turk 152
  154. Skeptikal says:
    @Supply and Demand

    I certainly would like to find out more about the Greenwald-Snowden relationship.
    ‘Maybe Greenwald didn’t eff Snowden six ways to Sunday, but I think the public does deserve a clear explanation of what happened to 99% of Snowden’s material.

    Actually—no, I mean obviously—this material belongs to American taxpayers.

  155. @Ron Unz

    It would be useful to extend the permitted HTML tags to include ordered/unordered lists (<ol>/<ul> and <li>), plaintext (<pre>) and perhaps a few others that provide no obvious XSS/injection potential.

    In the olden days it was global variable $allowedtags in one of the WP config files somewhere; it can also be implemented by replacing WP’s custom wp_strip_all_tags() with standard PHP strip_tags() which permits a whitelist tag vector.

    <ol>/<ul> is important because although the numbers/bullets (and first-line indentation and spacing) can be had with HTML entities, the indentation of text for the individual bullet points aligns at the left margin, which is practically the same as BOLD ALLCAPS WALL OF TEXT for typography-tragics.

  156. Skeptikal says:
    @saggy

    Zionist.
    Ugh.
    Same goes for Chomsky.
    Biden has promised Israel a better deal than even Trump.
    That may explain why Chomsky has come out for him.

  157. SND says:
    @Ron Unz

    I have been a long time (since 2007) Greenwald watcher & admirer. Your feeling about protecting political viability is essentially correct. We commenters debated 9/11 with one another & with him fairly extensively with him when he was on Salon. The basic concept about his attitude was to refer to “Hallin’s spheres:” the sphere of consensus, the sphere of legitimate controversy, the sphere of deviance. Greenwald thought it was the right thing to do for the sake of his own journalistic/political influence to stay out of the sphere of deviance. So he walked a line. He felt that challenging the 9/11 narrative was over the line.

    Of course he didn’t put it that way. He said that he agreed with Noam Chomsky – that it would have taken so many people to have been in on the “conspiracy” that he didn’t believe it would have been possible for them all to have shut up about it. End of story. This seemed like an excuse to many of us reading him, but many of us (including myself) agreed that it might well be better for Glenn’s project if he stayed out of the “sphere of deviance.” There was an essential integrity there that we wanted to have wide influence.

    Glenn tried to resist Ed Snowden when he first contacted him, but Snowden persisted. Those of us who had been following Greenwald knew why he persisted: he too knew of the essential integrity that Greenwald, fairly uniquely embodied. I know many Unz commenters are skeptical of Greenwald. I myself admire Ron because he simply wallows in the “sphere of deviance.” Greenwald is different.

    I don’t know what happened to the rest of the Snowden material. I do know that the deal with Snowden was that Glenn was not to just dump it. Julian thought this was a bad deal. Sybil thought this was a bad deal. Lots of people thought so. But I don’t believe that Ed Snowden ever complained about Glenn’s treatment of his material.

    • Replies: @Biff
  158. gay troll says:
    @Robjil

    You need to edit an Emma Lazarus anthology.

    • Thanks: Robjil
  159. joe2.5 says:
    @Ron Unz

    Never say never. In fact, Greenwald and Taibbi, at least according to their statements, are as close a thing to free speech absolutists as one gets on a rainy day. Also, they sounded amenable to the idea of free speech journalism outlets open to all censored writers without restrictions — which this page is, with no competitors to speak of.

  160. @Ultrafart the Brave

    Your generalisations on the Australi an media are not based on enough research. If you had other education to try not to misinform UR readers you could hardly have omitted to note Australia’s longest serving Foreign Minister advocating a vote for Trump in recent days and an editorial favouring Trump both in The Australian.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  161. @edward bernays

    Has anyone here got any theories on the untimely death of the White Helmets’ declared founder, British soldier/spook James le Mesurier, who less than a year after his third marriage apparently hurled himself out of a third floor window?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Le_Mesurier

    I see that not only the Wiki article, but every other mainstream obituary, noted that criticism of the White Helmets was “Russian and Syrian disinformation”, and that there was “no evidence” he worked for MI6.

    There are references to financial irregularities.

    https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/founder-of-foundation-behind-white-helmets-admits-fraud~b5dacd0c/

    But who knows the truth?

    I hope he didn’t top himself due to his failure to get open (rather than covert) involvement of Western militaries against Assad in 2015/6 – after all, he was only one part of a huge propaganda effort, ranging from the BBC and Guardian to the former charity Save The Children (at the time headed by a former Danish PM, Helle Thorning-Schmidt, wife of Stephen Kinnock MP), all trying to get us to declare a no-fly zone over Aleppo.

  162. @Majority of One

    That’s an interesting idea–let the restriction persist for a certain length of time or number of comments and then expire… it would probably be an improvement.

  163. @Sean

    Tribal ties extending back 50 generations or more, particularly when many of those ties are cross-cousin marriages, are almost immune to such breakdowns in the infrastructure, particularly when there are penalties which punish those who stray off the reservation.

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  164. Tusk says:

    Conquest’s second law is always relevant. If you don’t want to get hijacked you’re going to have to be explicitly against these people.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  165. Since 2016, there’s been a fair amount of bleating about the damage Trump has done to this country.

    Trump’s pretty awful — albeit not as ghastly as the Biden-thing — but he’ll come and go, and I suspect any direct harm will be transitory. The permanent change has been the extent to which the media has utterly discredited itself.

    I used to go to the New York Times et al to find out what had happened. Now I go to see what the party line is. If an event is reported, it’s because the media wants me to hear about it.

    We no longer have a free press — and the press did it to themselves. Trump had nothing to do with it.

    • Agree: Skeptikal
  166. @FB

    Minorities organizing around a cause are usually co-opted by a simple stratagem. This happened with blacks, browns, gays and women. The emerging orgs are infiltrated by “talent’scouts” who work for the oilygarchs. Their mission is to befriend individuals who are amenable to getting a little “assistance”. Should they continue to play ball their new friend introduces them to an evident high-roller who “believes” in their cause and offers to fund a new organization “dedicated” to that cause.

    Next thing you know there’s a new Big Dog group out there which has the kind of funding that can enable them to get grant money from a major (Ford, Rockefeller, ad nauseam) foundation. Quiet hints are dropped to those suddenly enabled “leaders”. Usually they understand the message which is an ancient one: “Do not kill the goose which lays those nice, golden eggs”.

    Works just about every time.

    • Agree: JackOH
    • Replies: @JWalters
    , @JackOH
  167. Maestro at the New York Times building at the same time when a scion of that rag is making a speech… it just leaves me speechless.

  168. Iris says:
    @Syd Walker

    Anyhow, that’s a long preamble to asking why Glenn Greenwald, at least until now, has avoided the crucial issue of what really took place on 9/11.

    You correctly identified 9/11 at the “off-limits” subject, a topic that even journalists and analysts with reasonable professionalism and integrity refuse to even touch with a pole.

    And this applies to the non-Anglo-Saxon world too. Prominent Belgian political analyst Jean Bricmont for instance, whose voice amongst the intellectual dissidence is highly respected, enhanced by his scientist status (professor and member of the Royal Academy of Physics) and by his long-term friendship with Noam Chomsky, refuses absolutely to comment on 9/11.

    I long thought that this conspiracy of silence, running throughout the American and European alternative intelligentsia, was motivated by the silent acceptance of the War Economy that sustained Western economic growth for decades now. War being good for Western jobs , and 9/11 having been a primary boost for the so-called “War on Terror”, questioning the official 9/11 narrative would amount at putting in question the very vehicles that supported living standards in the West.

    I later realised that I was wrong. Europe’s alternative political analysts often diverge with the US regarding key economic and geopolitical decisions, but still keep mum about 9/11.

    The reason why 9/11 is “off-limits” is because of the atrocious, barbaric, monstrous, practical circumstances in which it was executed. The truth is too horrible to be told; it would result in the collapse of the American Republic. Any messenger uttering such truth will be liquidated, because even those US state actors totally innocent of 9/11 don’t want the American State to collapse.

    Not even the “9/11 Truth” organisations, no matter their integrity, want to be the harbingers of terrible news; so instead, they act as care-takers of the American public, guiding it blindfolded towards edulcorated questioning.

    The WTC was brought down by controlled demolition, using underground nuclear detonations. This fact has been undeniably demonstrated by a scientific proof. It is, however, unspeakable and forever unacceptable in the eyes of the American public, who would destroy their state in a revolution if they knew.

  169. KenH says:

    The Intercept was pretty good when they first burst onto the scene but it seemed to me that outside of some occasional articles mostly by Greenwald himself over time it degenerated into a typical left wing rag with all the stock left wing talking points.

  170. @Ron Unz

    In his Joe Rogan interview, Greenwald said he had avoided Rogan for years because he thought Rogan provided a platform for white supremacists and the alt-right. So, it’s highly unlikely he would countenance coming to Unz Review.

  171. JWalters says:
    @GeeBee

    Google, like the corporate media, especially suppresses facts that are especially detrimental to Israel. This is because examination of Israel’s crimes inevitably leads to the fanatical Talmudist banking cabal behind Israel, behind Wall Street, and behind the corporate media. The Talmudists are especially ruthless because of their supremacist ideology, and the Talmudist bankers exercise their financial power ruthlessly. They are responsible for the historical, so-called “Jewish problem”, which harms many innocent Jews in its blowback. Their roots lie in the Biblical past. How they captured Britain, and then America, is told in “War Profiteers and Israel’s Bank”
    https://warprofiteerstory.blogspot.com/p/war-profiteers-and-israels-bank.html

    • Agree: Acementhead
    • Replies: @Majority of One
  172. @Bardon Kaldian

    My explanation for this phenomenon is as follows. When the people who are posting these images are using metatags and writing text underneath the images and whatnot in the webpages, they will not mention the race of the entity (whether it be a family or a woman) if the race of the entity is White, they will mention it however if there is some inter-racial stuff involved, as race is a salient features. So if you have someone posting a picture of a happy woman with a child (both of whom are White), they will just describe it as “happy woman with child” as opposed to “happy White woman with child”. But if the woman has non-white children, then they will often specifiy the race of the woman. Same goes for families and couples.

    With nonwhites, the people posting the images know that their target audience is looking for a certain ethnic group, so they will add labels and metatags to describe the image regardless of whether the entity in question is inter-racial or mono-racial. After all when you look up “happy family” you get lots of happy White families, so you have to specifiy “happy black family” these photos has a lower proportion of inter-racial stuff going on as it is not considered taboo to specify the race when it comes to nonwhites (same reason why we have no taboo over black students associations but do with white students associations)

    happy woman with child

    Check out the above search term, it just comes up with pictures of White women with their White kids, there are also a smattering of women of other races but they too have kids of their own race. You would expect that if there was some sinsiter stuff going on, neutral search terms like “happy family” or “happy woman with child” would throw up lots and lots of inter-racial stuff but that’s not the case.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  173. “The WTC was brought down by controlled demolition, using underground nuclear detonations. This fact has been undeniably demonstrated by a scientific proof.”

    Any links to said proof? Is that one or many detonations? Wouldn’t anyone walking NYC with a Geiger counter or hospital dosimeter notice? Wouldn’t geologists monitoring quakes notice?

    Trouble with this sort of claim is that it’s exactly the kind of thing I’d write if I wanted to discredit alternative news sources like this one.

    PS – I presume its the usual suspects who are at it again in Vienna.

    • Agree: anaccount, Acementhead
    • Replies: @Iris
    , @anon
  174. @Crass

    Considering Donald Trump is the first de-facto Jewish President of the United States,

    Are you sure about that?

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Pictures+of+President+Nixon+&t=h_&ia=web

  175. JWalters says:
    @Ron Unz

    As someone who has developed quite of bit of software professionally, including websites, your strategy makes perfect sense. At one point I looked at WordPress and decided to not get entangled in it. But as with most software decisions, there are trade-offs. I suspected you designed your own comment system, because it is so well done. And I’m glad you don’t subcontract to someone like D*squs, whose moderators are clearly Zionist censors.

    • Thanks: Ron Unz
  176. @Crass

    The Chimpanzee is not holding a Glass of Wine in the Second Picture.

    You failed.

    You have confused both an adult human and a juvenile gorilla with a chimpanzee.

    No career in zoology for you.

  177. @Wizard of Oz

    Your generalisations on the Australi an media are not based on enough research.

    The anecdotal generalisations are valid. The instances you mention are but lone voices in the wilderness.

    It occasionally heartens me to see some independent figures calling for common sense and regard to Australia’s national interests in its foreign policy, but those appeals come from a fleeting minority.

    The bloody-minded politically motivated destruction of Australia’s trading relationship with China by the Prime Minister & Foreign Minister over Corona Chan with nary a dissenting voice amongst the political and news media communities bears witness to this one-sided affair.

  178. JWalters says:
    @nsa

    Jews are not a monolith, as your comment seems to assume. Many of the most powerful anti-Zionist voices are Jewish. Rolling them in with the Zionists is a huge factual and tactical mistake. In my view, the so-called “Jewish problem” stems from a fanatical cabal of Talmudist bankers. These people use their financial power ruthlessly, to dominate others, and to accumulate more power. They accuse their critics of anti-Semitism in order to hide behind the larger Jewish community. They are the bull-eye of the target we must focus on. Scattershot flailing at “the Jews” only helps these Talmudist bankers maintain their smokescreen, and harms some of our best, innocent allies.

    “War Profiteer Story”
    https://warprofiteerstory.blogspot.com

    • Agree: TheTrumanShow
  179. Art says:

    If Biden wins – what is next? What is going to happen – will Biden be enough for the left – or will they dump Biden and install Harris as president?

    As a result of the Biden win – something has happened to the left-wing pecking order hierarchy – there is a new boss in town. Social media has overtaken the NYT and WP in importance. Social media is the new kingmaker.

    Clearly social media has pulled the wool over the American people’s eyes. Biden was indisputably guilty of selling influence for personal family gain.

    Now Biden is vulnerable and weak. Everyone knows he is damaged goods. Will the social media giants move on to installing Harris as president? They have the proven ability to manipulate America.

    It will all be up to the social media titans – not the NYT or WP, who depend on social media clicks for their economic existence.

    (The NYT and WP never lifted a finger to support The New York Post and journalistic freedom.)

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  180. @Thulean Friend

    I know one should not speak ill of the dead so soon but Robert Fisk was a silly twat in some ways.
    Here is one of his essays in CounterPunch.

    December 4, 2019
    The Remembrance Poppy is Becoming a Weapon Against Immigrants to Canada
    by Robert Fisk
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/12/04/the-remembrance-poppy-is-becoming-a-weapon-against-immigrants-to-canada/
    […]
    And that’s the problem faced by all immigrant societies. For if you follow this insidious argument to its logical conclusion, the architecture of Canada would be as it is now – a series of great cities with Scottish and English street names and pseudo-baronial castles (try Banff) – but its inhabitants would be elk, grizzly bears and a dying white race. Don Cherry is in his eighties and would be one of them.

  181. Yevardian says:
    @GeeBee

    I have noticed recently a Google Search for ‘Unz’ gives about 4-5 pages of denunciations of either him or this website before a single link to the site even comes up.

  182. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:

    “I’ve actually occasionally tried to get a couple of such people I’m a little friendly with to move forward on at least some of the least dangerous of those issues, but with absolutely no luck though they’re certainly willing to freely discuss the topics in private.“ – Ron Unz

    Similarly, on a much greater scale, a few days ago The Wall Street Journal declined to endorse Mr. Trump. Their editorial lauded Mr. Trump, but they stopped short of an outright endorsement. (They noted that they have not endorsed anyone one way or the other since the Hoover election; as if they were bound by stare decisis.). Too bad. An outright endorsement might have made a big difference. Most voters sitting at Joe Biden’s “breakfast table” regard the economy as the most important issue. The WSJ is the most prestigious economic voice in the country.

    When Dante first descended into the underworld, the first souls he encountered were those who had made “the great refusal .” That is, they refused to take a stand.

  183. @YetAnotherAnon

    I hope he didn’t top himself…

    Why?

    It’s not as if he didn’t have a hand in many, many other persons getting “topped” (or perhaps we should say, “chopped”).

    • Replies: @acementhead
  184. Iris says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Trouble with this sort of claim is that it’s exactly the kind of thing I’d write if I wanted to discredit alternative news sources like this one.

    This is not a “claim” I am making to discredit the UR.

    [MORE]

    The scientific demonstration has been made, independently of any political consideration, by French Physics academic Pr Francois Roby, PhD.
    His article (61 pages, 72 references) is in English, in free-access and answers all your questions:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331650855_What_is_basic_physics_worth_Orders_of_magnitude_energy_and_overconfidence_in_technical_refinements

    In summary, using the publicly-available aerial thermal imaging of the WTC, and applying the classic equation of heat transfer by free convection, he demonstrated that over the weeks following its collapse, the WTC had released an amount of thermal energy of of at least 10 peta Joules, an astronomical figure, in the order of the monthly energy output of a medium-size 900 MVA nuclear reactor.

    No source of energy, other than nuclear, could ever have created the gigantic amount of heat released by the WTC and recorded by undeniable thermal imagery. Any other explanation is an ignorant joke that to physicist or engineer will ever endorse.

    As for the suspects, Pr Roby does not designate any, as his article is scientific, not political.
    I can offer my own personal conclusion, however. What went badly wrong for the perpetrators was the visible internal collateral damage incurred by the WTC7, following the controlled demolition of the Twin Towers. (Its internal staircase collapsed and its façade’s glazing exploded outwards).

    The signs of controlled demolition inside WTC7 were glaringly obvious, so the man in charge (Larry Silverstein) hastily improvised the decision to bring down the third, incriminating, building. The importance of Silverstein’s role indicates who the masterminds were.

    • Thanks: Ultrafart the Brave
  185. Old Jew says:

    Dear Mr. Unz,

    How did journalist Sydney Schanberg pronounce his family name?

    Did the vowel “a” sound like “ey” so the name would sound

    Sheynberg ?

  186. Yevardian says:
    @Thulean Friend

    RIP, one of the very last of the ‘old-school’ (he didn’t use the internet, never voted and even refused to even use email) journalists who were still able to make a full living from serious reporting in detailed pieces.

  187. JWalters says:
    @Majority of One

    That reminds me of a statement by Israeli Jewish scholar Israel Shahak:

    “The apparent enthusiasm displayed by American rabbis or by the Jewish organizations in the USA during the 1950s and the 1960s in support of the Blacks in the South, was motivated only by considerations of Jewish self-interest, just as was the communist support for the same Blacks. Its purpose in both cases was to try to capture the Black community politically, in the Jewish case to an unthinking support of Israeli policies in the Middle East.”
    “Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years”
    https://ifamericaknew.org/cur_sit/shahak.html

  188. Yevardian says:
    @Ron Unz

    Oh, so you are familiar with Chris Hedges, I recall suggesting his columns would sit well here. Considering that Norman Finkelstein, Chomsky and Patrick Cockburn, who are leftists of integrity, though all strongly staunchly ‘anti-racist’ are here, I simply assumed they didn’t pay much attention to where their articles were syndicated. Frankly, I find it especially hard to imagine that Finkelstein in particular has ever read this site, I assume he retains maximum distance/ignorance from here out of principle… although I did read he received a large amount of research money from Ron Unz.

    But yes, when I first read Hedges I truly considered him in the vanguard in expose and criticism of US policy, obviously it pales in comparison to much here.

  189. Donald Trump had always struck me as an ignorant buffoon and most of his proposed policies were ridiculous, but I felt that his establishmentarian political critics had almost been driven insane by their loathing for him. Since I regarded both Trump and Biden as such exceptionally awful candidates, I’d paid relatively little attention to the recent months of heated presidential campaigning. However, the recent charges of massive financial corruption against the Biden family seemed pretty credible to me, and the unified media efforts to drag the Democratic ticket across the finish line by hiding the scandal from the American voters was utterly outrageous.

    Bravo! My sentiments exactly.

    Much of this material may be ignorant or insane, but those willing to mine the low-grade ore will discover a considerable sprinkling of gems.

    A great subheading for the site!

    Thanks for the article, and also for unz.com.

  190. JackOH says:
    @Majority of One

    MoO, as a very minor local controversialist, I was visited by low-grade sending-a-message violence, a car break-in probably to check for incriminating drugs or porno, honey traps in various flavors, threats and hostility enough for me to check my car’s brakes and under the hood before starting up.
    Plenty more, which I roughly documented. Legal recourse wasn’t an option. I had no money to go civil, and the local PDs were dodgy. I persevered, and kept on writing and speaking, until after years I finally pooped out for lack of recognition and the legitimacy of big-ticket funding.

    Violence didn’t stop me, but scared the shit out of me for a while.

    I also received hints of a job offer, which would have meant a lard-assed, do-nothing government job in exchange for shutting my yap. I yelled at the top of my lungs at the stooge who’d been sent to deliver the offer.

    Long story short: I was very vulnerable to the lure of money and position, and luckily my gut knew it.
    Glad I yelled at the fucker. I was far less vulnerable to sex and violence. God bless, buddy.

  191. @Majority of One

    This is the closest thing to good documentation. I would say it is almost good. Believable but not citation-worthy.

    If anybody has a superior document to this I would be very interested in seeing it.

  192. @Ultrafart the Brave

    In my view, the so-called “Jewish problem” stems from a fanatical cabal of Talmudist bankers…

    Your assessment is correct in that “the Jews” are being utilised as a Trojan Horse to deflect scrutiny and disguise the true nature and intent of those Talmudic SOBs.

    However, IMO this also understates the problem inasmuch as the bankers are just one tendril of the distributed cabal of “Master Race” wannabes emanating from the core fungal infestation that is the Nazi State of Israel. Just like a hidden fungal infection, their infiltration and subversion of the global community to their malevolent ends is well advanced with little coherent awareness or opposition from the obliviously teeming herds of Goyim.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  193. @Ultrafart the Brave

    Well no use us quibbling over our samplings. But let me take you up on your Chin trade point which I agree with in part. It was at least bad optics that the Australian PM came out with a prima facie sensible request for an independent inquiry just after being one of only two foreign leaders to be given a state dinner by Trump. At the very least the wording should have been concilatory towards China (and flattering would be better). But I think you ignore the cunning form of China’s hostage diplomacy which it deploys against US allies, sometimes in the most literal sense, as in the arrest of a couple of Canadian businessmen in retaliation for the Huwei extradition case, though mostly on trade matters with Australia. Cunning, but not subtle, as it shows the world how little the US will, or can,do to help its allies.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  194. @Gidoutahere

    Please. All politicians and political entities/organizations/parties are corrupt in the USA. I would go as far as to include all of Europe too.

    What greenwald was pissed off about was how the media only focus on the shits trump spat out of his mouth, ignoring the piss senile biden is coughing up at the same time.

    Fake news is real.

    But trump has killed any real meaning attached to that label by using it against any negative news towards him.

    I am surprised so many unz readers are still thinking there are honest news outside of unz. Even unz articles are plagued by fake news sometimes. As ron has a hands off approach.

    About greenwald vs assange.

    The one who is prosecuted by the govt using every dirty trick in the book is the one we should trust. Snowden hopefully would be safe. At least one hero remains free.

    • Replies: @Gidoutahere
  195. Thank you Ron.

    Sydney Schanberg told me that my stories would never be printed by mainstream media- in particular The New York Times. Schanberg said that The Times would always protect their friends.

    I have stated that the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Department of Justice allowed drug smuggling and money laundering by Wall Street Millionaires.

    For more than 7 years I was a member of the American Stock Exchange and a friend from the Amex had become an FBI Agent. He believed me and arranged for me to meet with an FBI Agent.

    [MORE]

    The FBI proved that Wall Street millionaires were smuggling drugs and laundering drug money. Including for Jamaican Drug Gangs, The Shower Posse. The Shower Posse murdered 1,400 American citizens and the FBI did nothing.

    Visit wallstreetcrusader48.wordpress.com

    Read my letters to FBI Agents and various Assistant Directors of the FBI in charge of the New York Office.

    Furthermore, the FBI and Department of Justice passed copies of my letters to the Wall Street drug smugglers.

    I have recently submitted a pro-se, amicus curiae brief for the appeal of Joaquin Archivaldo Guzman Lorea, aka El Chapo. In my brief, which is reproduced on my website, wallstreetcrusader48.wordpress.com , I provide some detail information about the FBI providing copies of my letters to the FBI- including the names of individuals, who told me that they had seen the letters.

    One individual would frequently taunt me about money laundering by Amex member firms. And if you wish to know, the FBI asked me about accounts in the Cayman Islands.

    I have also reproduced several of my letters to the FBI about drug smuggling and money laundering.

    The investigation was dropped.

    Thank you.

    Edward Manfredonia

  196. DaveE says:

    Thank you Ron Unz for praising Glenn Greenwald’s principled resignation.
    ………..
    Nonetheless, we cannot forget Glenn Greenwald’s role in the pernicious Memory Holing of the Snowden files last March 2019.

    Your comment contradicts itself. To say his resignation was “principled” while his tenure at The Guardian was anything but (more like treacherous, opportunist and dishonest ) is ridiculous.

    Seems to me this is pretty strong evidence that Greewald left The Intercept because no-one was taking him seriously anymore, after his hideous betrayal of Assange.

    He’s just looking for a new marketing shtick, that’s all. A different disguise, a different audience and a new shot at relevance. How (((typical))).

  197. @JWalters

    ‘Jews are not a monolith, as your comment seems to assume. Many of the most powerful anti-Zionist voices are Jewish. Rolling them in with the Zionists is a huge factual and tactical mistake. In my view, the so-called “Jewish problem” stems from a fanatical cabal of Talmudist bankers. These people use their financial power ruthlessly, to dominate others, and to accumulate more power. They accuse their critics of anti-Semitism in order to hide behind the larger Jewish community. They are the bull-eye of the target we must focus on. Scattershot flailing at “the Jews” only helps these Talmudist bankers maintain their smokescreen, and harms some of our best, innocent allies.’

    In my experience — and it’s pretty extensive — at the end of the day, when push comes to shove, about 90% of all Jews support Israel. They may wish it could somehow be a nice Israel, but they support it.

    It’s not a ‘fanatical cabal of Talmudist bankers.’

    It’s Jews. Like that or not, it’s the way it is.

    • Agree: DaveE, MrVoid
    • Replies: @DaveE
    , @JWalters
  198. @Art

    ‘If Biden wins – what is next? What is going to happen – will Biden be enough for the left – or will they dump Biden and install Harris as president?’

    ? Isn’t Biden going to kind of ooze through the shower drain on his own?

    There won’t be a need to ‘dump’ him. At worst, all they’ll have to do is scramble the feeds on his teleprompter, and he’ll be dead.

  199. Biff says:
    @SND

    But I don’t believe that Ed Snowden ever complained about Glenn’s treatment of his material.

    He hasn’t and they remain friends. What Snowden wanted is what Greenwald accomplished – to expose the crimes of the government against the American people, and they only dumped/revealed the required evidence to make that case. Dumping more or the rest to satisfy deviants/skeptics/tabloid trench coats, and anarchists is completely irresponsible(unless there’s a story/reason of another lie or a crime to be exposed).

  200. @JWalters

    That’s a point that’s quite difficult to get across when people are taken over by their own religious dogmatism and racism, although it’s also true that very few Jews are anti-Zionist and some of them might be seen as plants by the way they try to operate on the public with mindless hate. The Jews that make the historical connection between Zionism, corporatism, networked elitism and their goal to dominate and control the global marketplace and mankind’s future within it are more hated and reviled than their non-Jewish peers.

    Greenwald, for his part, plays the cretinous game of partisanship, and can’t be counted among those Jews though, he operates on the fringe of the mainstream where “diversity” allows for a motley crew of posers to get good niche market access.

    • Replies: @JWalters
  201. @Ultrafart the Brave

    Your assessment is correct… etc etc

    This reply was supposed to be responding to JWalters at Post # 185.

    WTF?

    Sorry JWalters.

    • Replies: @JWalters
  202. Anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:

    Ron is a gem. That he pumps out The Unz Review gratis is, well, unzbelievable. And while he himself tends to eschew 900-word essays in favor of multi-thousand-word articles…they are invariably well-sourced, well-thought-out, and well-written. I just have to be in the mood for a “War & Peace”-length piece. (<:)

    Which I often am.

    I like Taki Mag, too, but less so now that it puts comments behind a paywall.

    I like Quillette, too, though it seems less open to publishing pieces decrying the Tribe. It also limits how many comments are viewed for free. Still, it isn't the usual Leftist echo-chamber.

    To be honest, I often like Comments more than actual articles. The rude-crude-lewd responses usually get quickly called-out and/or ignored. But even less-than-stellar ones often have me gasping for air…in the grip of belly-laughing due to their wit, insights, etc.

    If Don loses and Kamaltoe wins, I fear for free speech. America will likely quickly devolve into the latter days of the Weimar Republic, the ensuing decadence leading ineluctably toward worse antifa brownshirtism, ending with a Trump trumper far worse than anything the Left imagined DJT to be.

    • Agree: Bill Jones
  203. Anonymous[388] • Disclaimer says:

    With comments on our website being very lightly moderated, we usually accrue a million additional words each week… Much of this material may be ignorant or insane, but those willing to mine the low-grade ore will discover a considerable sprinkling of gems.

    Unz Review is the Bad News Bears, Animal House, and Stripes of the news.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  204. Anon[325] • Disclaimer says:

    For more readers, unz.com needs a sports and music section.

    And maybe unz cat videos. People love cat videos. Have the writers at Unz read their articles to cat videos on youtube.

    • Replies: @FB
  205. What is special about this Greenwald affair?

    Is it the case that this one particular instance of censorship at the Intercept becomes the censorship straw that finally breaks the independent-minded journalist’s reticence – thus after “a Long Train of Abuses” (US Dec. of Independence) Greenwald revolted, and declared his independence?

    The censored material included indications that increasingly addled Joe Biden turns out to be the head of the Biden Transnational Crime Family, which also simultaneously manages to be a deeply dysfunctional family. The American people were not to be told, on the very eve of the American elections, that one the two main protagonists is just about as bad a candidate for any responsible position as can be conceived. However one conceives Trump, compared to Joe Biden Trump now seems fabulous.

    Connected to Bidengate, and also kept under wraps, is that that some of those exemplary lawmen at the FBI had sat on the Biden information for many moons, while previously and simultaneously rummaging through every nook and cranny of Trump and his associates, trying to ferret out some suitably malodorous dirt.

    The FBI being only human, may perhaps had little energy left for Biden investigations, given the exhaustion and deflation they must have felt after spending so much energy obsessing over and stoking Russiagate hysteria and trying unsuccessfully to lynch Michael Flynn.

    Will news of Greenwald quitting the Intercept increase the public’s interest in and access to news about Bidengate, and FBI corruption?

    If the conversation I had today in the wilds of Canada is any indication, Greenwald’s move may have gained considerably more attention than I would have supposed. On the topic of the COVID- 19 scamdemic, and censorship of information pertaining to that issue, to my surprise, and without being prompted, with no previous reference to Greenwald, reference was made by my conversation partner to the Greenwald resignation from the Intercept as proof positive of just how much is being censored.

    What it all amounts to in the end is anyone’s guess.

    • Agree: SteveK9
  206. Journalism died a long time ago.

  207. @JWalters

    It is interesting to note that in a book I read over the past couple years authored by a high ranking Italian Mason, he pointed out that the Bnai Brith is the single, largest Masonic organization on the planet. He stated that their membership roll internationally is in excess of more than 500,000 men–usually of substance and power. It is a logical step to surmise that this exclusively Jewish organization includes in its membership an “American” contingent numbering half or more of their international total, as the American Jewish community is bigger than the Jewish population of Israel and thus, definitively, the largest such in the World.

    Now, turn back to the clock to Atlanta in the early 20’s when a Jewish factory owner was ultimately after one of America’s longest trials ever, convicted of murdering a 14 Y.O. female employee. Along the line, a very corruptible soon to finish his term, governor of Georgia, pardoned that convicted murderer. Outraged Georgians stormed the facility where the guy was being held and promptly took him to the woods and lynched him.

    During the long course of the trial, powerful Jewish voices (and money) gathered to protect their fellow Tribalist. Much of the organizing was done behind the scenes by the Bnai Brith. In the process they created a sub-organization, the ADL, or as some wags call it, “The Anti-Defecation League”.
    One wonders whether the duly lynched murderer dirtied his trousers during his demise. Over time, the ADL along with the SPLC (Southern Poverty Leadership Conference) have become the cutting-edge for those shotcallers, the largest secret society in existence.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Thanks: mark green
    • Replies: @JWalters
    , @RodW
  208. Sean says:

    That blood relations would have more cohesion is a fair point, but the WASP elite, which let us not forget the Bush family is part of, were similarly intermarried up until the sixties. There are people who will tell you that the WASPs maintained control by bring Catholics (Jews too though that is unspoken) so the WASPs are still in control. Total nonsense, they clearly are not and Jeb Bush was a joke candidate.

    Post is talking about the Deep State, which is very far from being 100% Jewish. I just don’t see how you could have a single conspiracy , and if there is more that one that is very problematic, because they would be rivals in the ways Mafia families are rather than cooperating. As I said in my previous comment, there is good reason to uphold certain established norms to prevent the general unraveling of a group that would follow it successfully making a power grab.

    Regarding the treatment Assange has got from the American and British governments and media, the fact that he is an Austrian is relevant to how they assessed his claim to be engaged in journalism. In his own country, Assange was very leniently treated for his youthful hacking. He was reluctant to go back there because he was having a good time in Europe. Ghislaine Maxwell stayed in America rather than going to France where as a citizen she could not have been extradited from, for the same reason. The knew they had infuriated the US government, but neither one realized the ‘get to the choppa’ position they were in with the legal system.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  209. JimmyB says:
    @V. Hickel

    ‘I love Ron’s descriptions of the commentariat. ‘Deranged’ was my favorite.’

    I agree with V. Hickel — although I also laughed when he said of the comments in TUR, ‘much of this material may be ignorant or insane…’ As for the article-writers in TUR, Ron says: ‘much of their output might seem like nonsense to me.’

    All of this is proof of Mr. Unz’ unfailing honesty. Thank you for that, Ron, and for this webzine.

  210. Getaclue says:
    @Corvinus

    You seem to be living in a dream world. Somehow you missed the last 4 years and the complete lying bs of the Mainslime Media — “Russia Collusion”etc. lying 24/7 — when from day one they knew from where it came — Hillary Clinton and her minions — no one I know who is sane, educated and well read has anything but utter contempt for the NYSlimes and most all of the NWO Globalist Mainslime Media and the “journalists” associated therewith — the fact you don’t get this is startling — you must be involved with them financially somehow?

    • Agree: SteveK9, foolisholdman
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  211. Why does he live in Brazil? He seems gay.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  212. @Wizard of Oz

    It was at least bad optics that the Australian PM came out with a prima facie sensible request for an independent inquiry just after being one of only two foreign leaders to be given a state dinner by Trump.

    At the very least the wording should have been concilatory towards China…

    Your sentiment is right-minded, but IMO far too lenient.

    I disagree with any characterization of the Australian Prime Minister & Foreign Minister’s call for an “independent inquiry” into Corona Chan as a benign appeal for an impartial international investigation. Rather, they positioned Australia uniquely in allegiance with the USA in calling for a kangaroo court to convict China for it’s “crimes” of negligence, to the extent of suggesting that compensation should be demanded from China for “causing” the alleged Corona Chan pandemic.

    That’s how I personally interpreted the situation, and apparently so did China.

    I genuinely cringed when Foreign Minister Payne appeared on national television spouting fire & brimstone against China for its alleged responsibility for the “pandemic”.

    Is it any wonder that China has responded in the way that it has? Despite disingenuous attempts by Morrison & company to retrospectively minimise their unprovoked political aggression against China and deny any bad intentions, the disrespect to China was profound and the damage has been done. China has the high moral ground on this one.

    If one gets all chummy with a big friendly gorilla, but then sneaks around behind it and kicks it in the nuts, how exactly should we expect the gorilla to react? Needless to say, anyone who picks a fight with a gorilla FOR NO REASON deserves everything that comes next.

    Unfortunately for the rest of the Australian community, we have to wear the irrevocable consequences of our politicians’ delusions of grandeur.

    But I think you ignore the cunning form of China’s hostage diplomacy which it deploys against US allies, sometimes in the most literal sense, as in the arrest of a couple of Canadian businessmen in retaliation for the Huwei extradition case, though mostly on trade matters with Australia.

    Why is China being held to a higher standard than the US and its “allies”? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. The USA is the world’s foremost rogue nation, spreading mischief, mayhem and murder over the planet, including unilateral military invasions of sovereign nations and routine high seas piracy, all in violation of international law. What justification is there for the attempted extraterritorial American kidnapping of a senior Huawei executive, apart from gaining leverage in the US economic war against China? Not unlike the ongoing effort to extradite Julian Assange to face American extraterritorial “justice”, aided and abetted by American “allies” including Australia.

    China’s cunning “hostage diplomacy” is nothing more than a tit-for-tat response to the USA’s own brand of blatant “hostage diplomacy”.

    … on trade matters with Australia … it shows the world how little the US will, or can, do to help its allies.

    It’s precisely because our idiot politicians have chosen to subordinate Australia’s national interests to the agressive American Empire that trade relations with China are now in such a mess.

    With “allies” like that, who needs enemies?

  213. Anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Good overview, but please do look into the Intercept’s record of exposing their confidential sources.

    On the other hand, when you’re as stupid as Reality Winner…

  214. @Ultrafart the Brave

    You seem to agree that China is fighting its war with the United States mostly by blows against the US’s piddling little allies. I’m not sure why you suggest we have to be specially understanding of China’s throwing its weight about merely because of America’s bad and/or erratic behaviour. As to which (US bad behaviour) have you an opinion of Michael Pembroke’s “Play by the Rules” on which Tom Switzer interviewed him on a recent “Between the Lines”.?

    I too am critical of the PM and Marise Payne and what they must have failed to say but you seem to recall “fire and brimstone” and “unprovoked political aggression” so…. can you please give me chapter and verse so I can beat my local Liberal MP around the head with it as he tends to be far too hairy chested on China, if not as totally idiotic as Eric Abetz.

    A last dissenting note. Whatever use may be made of a”a century of humiliation” domestically I don’t insulting China or showing disrespect comes into China’s reasons for action beyond the near afterthought that they had better not let disrespectful language go without occasional punishment just to show who’s boss.

  215. @Astuteobservor II

    Well, please, maestro of astuteness, if all are equally corrupt whence cometh this intense aversion to Trump.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  216. Lagertha says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Glen is one of the most important people in today’s American history. He is Paul Revere

  217. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    “Trouble with this sort of claim is that it’s exactly the kind of thing I’d write if I wanted to discredit alternative news sources like this one.”

    Well called, sir. (This flower Iris leaves a dubious scent.)

  218. utu says:

    When we have learned of Snowden I was somewhat surprised that his revelations about the surveillance state and NSA were revelatory. I thought that this was known and assumed to be true. James Bamford in the last of his three books on NSA (2008 – The Shadow Factory) revealed that all telecom companies allowed NSA to use splitters to pick all signals, though there was one obstinate CEO from Qwest who initially refused and few years later found himself prosecuted and convicted for inside trading. The most revelatory of Bamford’s information was that NSA subcontracted Israeli companies to do the job.

    Shady Companies With Ties to Israel Wiretap the U.S. for the NSA (04.03.2012)
    by James Bamford
    https://www.wired.com/2012/04/shady-companies-nsa/

    The NSA is growing bigger and more powerful. But behind its curtains of secrecy, the secretive spying agency is relying on contractors with checkered pasts and ties to Israeli intelligence to build out and run its massive eavesdropping operations.

    Debate Flares Over Israel’s Access to American Secrets (2008)
    http://old.forward.com/articles/14433/

    Michael Oren, an Israeli-American historian with the conservative Shalem Center in Jerusalem, charged that Bamford lacked proof to back up the Israeli-intelligence assertions made in the book. Oren has also criticized a previous Bamford book in which he accused the Israelis of purposely bombing an American spy ship off the Gaza Strip in 1967 during the Six-Day War.

    “Bamford makes far-reaching and unsubstantiated allegations about Jews and Israel,” Oren told the Forward. “In the latest instance, he makes two serious assertions, namely that Israelis working in high-tech are Mossad and the Mossad works against the U. S. But in keeping with his previous work, there is no evidence.”

    Somehow during Snowden festival I haven’t heard anybody getting too upset by this Israel connection that a foreign entity had an access to all surveillance data collected in the US. Did Greenwald even write about it? And I haven’t heard Bamford being properly acknowledged for providing this information five years before Snowden by doing an honest journalism via inside connections in NSA.

    BTW, NSA was very cooperative when he worked on his three books but apparently became unhappy with his third book and Bamford became persona non grata in NSA. In his earlier book he extensively wrote about the spy ship USS Liberty and Israeli attack and why possibly Israel attacked it and NSA did not get upset then. Is it possible that revealing Israel connection in his third book was the reason the NSA was upset and he was cut off?

    • Thanks: Iris
  219. Jiminy says:

    With reference to Assange, maybe it’s time that he converts to Judaism. That could be his way out.

    • Replies: @Sean
  220. Neoconned says:
    @RoatanBill

    He still went further than many ever will in exposing the Deep State. I remember when the spooks had his gay partner person baited & detained at an airport someplace& then Glenn went awol…..

    I don’t know much about his personal life or his former rag but my gut tells me his age and stress got the better of him….lifes been similar to me in recent years…..my gut tells me Glenn is still a good dude & will be viewed by history as a hero in the vein of JFK’s “Profiles in Courage”…..

  221. @Gidoutahere

    Because retard, I have a strong aversion to all politicians and all who spouts shit about who I should vote for like you.

    Reds = tax the middle give to the top 0.1%.

    Blues = tax the middle give to the blacks.

    And retards like you think trump is looking out for you. I mean it is 2020, one would think an unz reader would be smart enough to understand the game by now.

    • Replies: @Gidoutahere
  222. @Wizard of Oz

    Remember, punished the Chinese for thinking they can get rich without wearing collars on their necks like the Japs n Koreans. Especially so since they have been immune to Jewish immigrants. This immunity is why they must be put down.

    Tldr for you ultrafar.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  223. Consider the irony if GG is himself an intelligence officer. The vast majority of the Snowden docs have never made public appearance. And he’s spent the last few years beating up on Bolsonaro giving him the Putinhitler treatment. Perhaps Omidyar decided to pull the plug on his disastrous “investment” and this is GG spinning it to bolster his cred with us skeptics? It will be interesting to see what he does in the next few months. It’s not too hard to imagine the Snowden affair was stage managed in an attempt to discourage domestic terrorism and crime as well as cowing the dissident right even further. Anybody who had been paying attention was entirely unsurprised by the revelations.

  224. FB says: • Website
    @Anon

    And maybe unz cat videos. People love cat videos.

    Great idea…😺

    • LOL: freedom-cat
  225. Anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:
    @Not Raul

    I really like the “elapsed time” feature.

    If that took you “hours” you’re doing it wrong.

  226. @Ron Unz

    At least you’re not using “Front Page” which the owner of Informationclearinghouse.info still uses! I’m surprised he can still keep the site together with that old program.

  227. Alvin says:

    I used to enjoy reading the Intercept until the lockdowns – they supported it and other worst human rights violations (can’t work for a living, forced to wear a face mask in public, etc.) – and especially after the riots. They were either completely silent or supported the riots, looting, and violence. Glenn even went so far as to say he supported some targeted looting. That was it for me. I put with some “white bashing” in the past from the Intercept, but after the riots and the obvious anti-white thuggery and bigotry, I couldn’t stand to read their bullsht anymore. I am done with the Intercept forever.

    • Replies: @Blissex
  228. @Anonymous

    ‘Unz Review is the Bad News Bears, Animal House, and Stripes of the news.’

    But it’s all relative. As compared to who?

  229. m___ says:

    Can’t help but noticing the element of deceit: Jews bootstrapping Jews. Be not surprised to see Greenwald republished here at unz.com, after his white-wash as a fiery independent soul. Thanks Ron, add mild dish-washing soap.

  230. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Yeah, but….sorry, you’re wrong.

    For instance, if search was color-blind the way you suggest, it would have shown equally sizable bunch of Asian or Latina women with white partners or similar, because these families are much more prevalent when we talk about IR families. For instance, Native American/American Indian- white marriages are even more common than Indian-Indian ones. And nothing of the sort.

    Also, you can’t explain American inventors, scientists, European art people, European history people, … You’ll get also a bunch of Negroes if you search for European art, without people.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=European+art&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjVz5Xp-uXsAhVD_IUKHbZICk0Q2-cCegQIABAA&oq=European+art&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzICCAAyBAgAEB4yBAgAEB4yBAgAEB4yBAgAEB4yBAgAEB4yBAgAEB4yBAgAEB4yBAgAEB4yBAgAEB5QuUdYh0tgplFoAHAAeACAAWCIAYsCkgEBM5gBAKABAaoBC2d3cy13aXotaW1nwAEB&sclient=img&ei=KRWhX5WXEsP4lwS2kanoBA&bih=694&biw=1536&client=firefox-b-d

    How so?

  231. @Father O'Hara

    Brazil is gay Mecca. Gay pride parades in Rio are legendary.

  232. JWalters says:
    @Majority of One

    Very interesting, thank you. In the 1700’s a Scottish professor named John Robinson investigated stories that strange things were happening in Free Mason lodges on the Continent. His own experience with his local Free Mason lodge in Scotland was that it was simply a local socializing spot, essentially a place to have a drink and chat, perhaps much like a local VFW hall today. But in investigating tales of the Illuminati conspiracy on the Continent, he indeed found evidence that the Free Mason lodges were being infiltrated with the goal of steering their members and organizations toward ulterior purposes. The ultimate ulterior purposes were hidden from most members, who were given a set of more limited, uncontroversial goals to recruit them. There’s a book published in 1789 by John Robinson A.M. Professor Of Natural Philosophy, And Secretary To The Royal Society Of Edinburgh called “Proofs Of A Conspiracy Against All The Religions And Governments Of Europe, Carried On In The Secret Meetings Of Free Masons, Illuminati, And Reading Societies, Collected From Good Authorities”. I got a PDF from somewhere on the web. Not reading German, this was one of the few documents from that time on the Bavarian Illuminati story that I could read.

    What you are describing could definitely be a direct extension of the plot Robinson describes. It also fits the general story of the Illuminati strategy, drawing in existing organizations and notable people in society under false pretenses for some ulterior purpose. Interestingly, the Illuminati methods allegedly also included bribery, blackmail (Jeffrey Epstein), and gradual brainwashing (MK-ULTRA). The ultimate goal was raw power, based on the “philosophy” that morality is an illusion. The Illuminati plot parallels that of the Protocols. One story holds that the Illuminati project was launched by one of the Rothschilds, but I couldn’t find any independent verification of that.

    In my view there is nothing spiritually illuminated about such a project. The name “Illuminati” reminds me of the grandiosely named “Knights of the Golden Circle”, which was a secret society before the Civil War dedicated to expanding the territory of slavery.

  233. JWalters says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Thanks for the good try. It’s the thart that counts.

  234. JWalters says:
    @shylockcracy

    I agree that currently few Jews are anti-Zionist, but those are the most informed and courageous ones. A website run by some such is https://mondoweiss.net/

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  235. @Miro23

    I never use google. But I tried a search for happy black woman, and then happy white couple. Up comes this:
    https://twitter.com/FromoutsideAlan/status/1031193879217926144/photo/1

  236. @Wizard of Oz

    Chinese are eternal aliens, this is a sombre truth. Now, ca. 5% of Australia population is Chinese- something which should have never been allowed. What would be if 5% heritage Americans went to Australia?

    Nothing, they would become Aussies.

    Chinese, on the other hand, remain clearly isolated & individualized, frequently dominant ethnicity in Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Thailand,….

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_Chinese

    [MORE]

    Thai Chinese are the largest minority group in the country and the largest overseas Chinese community in the world with a population of over 11 million people, accounting for 14–16% of the total population of the country as of 2015.
    ……………………………………
    Despite their small numbers, the Chinese controlled virtually every line of business, from small retail trade to large industries. A mere ten percent of the population, ethnic Chinese dominate over four-fifths of the country’s rice, tin, rubber, and timber exports, and virtually the country’s entire wholesale and retail trade.[51] Virtually all new manufacturing establishments were Chinese controlled. Despite failed Thai affirmative action-based policies in the 1930s to economically empower the indigenous Thai majority, 70 percent of retail outlets and 80–90 percent of rice mills were controlled by ethnic Chinese.[10]:179[44]:55 A survey of Thailand’s roughly seventy most powerful business groups found that all but three were owned by Thai Chinese.[10] Bangkok’s Thai Chinese clan associations rose to prominence throughout the city as the clans are major property holders.[52]:193 The Chinese control more than 80 percent of public companies listed on the Stock Exchange of Thailand.[53][54] All the residential and commercial land in central Siam was owned by Thai Chinese.[10]:182 Fifty ethnic Chinese families controlled the country’s entire business sectors equivalent to 81–90 percent of the overall market capitalization of the Thai economy.[55][56][6]:10[57][58][14]:15 Highly publicized profiles of wealthy Chinese entrepreneurs attracted great public interest and were used to illustrate the community’s economic clout.[59] More than 80 percent of the top 40 richest people in Thailand are Thai of full or partial Chinese descent.[60] Thai Chinese entrepreneurs are influential in real estate, agriculture, banking, and finance, and the wholesale trading industries.[52]:193[61] In the 1990s, among the top ten Thai businesses in terms of sales, nine of them were Chinese-owned with only Siam Cement not being a Chinese-owned firm.[10]:179[44]:55 Of the five billionaires in Thailand in the late-20th century, all were all ethnic Chinese or of partial Chinese descent

    Why would they be any different in Australia? Where “racial distance” is even greater?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  237. AndrewR says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    If that’s true then they’re not dissidents in any meaningful sense.

    The Soviet Union and the Anglo countries had almost nothing in common (except ((()))), but they were happy to team up to beat Germany, who had been happy to split Poland with the USSR.

    And of course had the Axis won the war, some sort of cold war between Japan and Germany would have been likely, although the US would obviously have never truly been out of the game, barring enough horrific war crimes similar to what the US did to Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But I digress. My point is that when you want to win then sometimes you have to ally with people you might otherwise be mortal enemies with. And frankly I think that enmity isn’t even there. Even the hardcore white nationalists I know of have nothing against Greenwald. Just like Unz, he is truly one of the good ones, despite openly living a homosexual lifestyle.

  238. The irony that in order to find intellectually stimulating and thoughtful debate you need to avoid the MSM propaganda organs. Hedges and Taibbi discussing things on RT is a hoot!

  239. @Ultrafart the Brave

    its such a shame how the PM has abused and threatened his own citizenry over this nonsense.

  240. AndrewR says:
    @nebulafox

    Well “racism” is a loaded word. It could mean anything from casual stereotypes, to not wanting your daughter to marry a black man, to not wanting blacks in your neighborhood, to not wanting them in your country, to not wanting them to exist. People, especially on the left, have been conditioned to believe unchecked racism necessarily leads to slavery and genocides, or at least more Emmett Tills. Objectively, mass murdering children is infinitely worse than jerking a kid off, so once you’ve been conditioned to associate “racism” with the worst atrocities in history then it only makes sense to demonize “racists.”

    As for Greenwald, only time will tell if he’ll come on here. I hope Unz has had the sense to ask him. It’s not like it would be a hopeless waste of time to email Greenwald.

  241. AndrewR says:
    @JWalters

    The anti-Zionists tend to be pro open borders, if not openly anti-white.

    Given the history and nature of Jews, their only viable group strategies are either explicit, iron-fisted control of a nation-state (and the historical territory of Israel is the most obvious candidate for the location of this state), or subversion of their host populations. The worst part is that this isn’t an either/or but a both/and. They are having their cake and eating it too. Many Jews are so shameless as to be openly rabidly pro-Zionist (including the anti-Palestinian and anti-Persian racism that’s almost inherent to Zionism now) AND openly in favor of policies that objectively will lead to the elimination of all European ethnic groups as distinct and sovereign peoples (aka white genocide)

  242. Realist says:
    @Corvinus

    And, as he admitted, he does not believe the MSM always lies, and that one may rely on their articles from them to help support one’s line of thinking.

    One who lies sometime…can never be trusted.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @foolisholdman
  243. I am convinced that Antony Flew did not invent the No True Scotsman Fallacy, but merely observed and reported this noisy and vituperative national obsession in the wild. Incredibly, I have been personally dragged into this lunacy and could only escape by admitting that I was not in fact a true Scotsman, something a true Scotsman would never have admitted. This brought the question to an abrupt end, unsatisfying to my detractors who apparently wished a much longer and angrier argument.

  244. Turk 152 says:
    @FB

    Option A was a nice paying Journalism gig in a company he founded and he can write whatever he wants, within certain guidelines of course.

    Option B was an unfortunate plane crash while traveling on a Cessna.

  245. @Bardon Kaldian

    I went to school with upper class Thais and I don’t recall them complaining about the Chinese. My impression is that the Chinese in Australia, apartfrom university students planning to go back to China, are assimilating pretty well by way of their children going to private schools and the better,sometimes selective, state high schools. Also they are matched in numbers by Indians who,though with less money, are also subject to the same selective immigration criteria. And Australia’s very large pool of superannuation (pension fund) savings means Chinese in Australia have nothing like the advantage in accumulating capital that they have had in Thailand. For most of the time since first European settlement in 1788 Australia’s non indigenous population has consisted of entrepreneurial immigrants and their descendants – not indigenous Buddhist peasants. To the extent that old Aussie stock is deteriorating I welcome Asian immigrants selected so that they are almost certainly improving the country’s average IQ.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @Clyde
    , @sb
  246. kemerd says:
    @Ron Unz

    Yes, those alright nutjobs annoy me a lot but unz is the place where I recognize some on the right make sense on some issues; but they are mostly idiots as I suspected

  247. One lesson to be learned from this, at least for billionaires, is that it’s not enough to fund media – you must also fund education. You can spend all the money you like on your non-partisan truth-seeking media outfit, and tell the people you’ve hired what you expect of them, but it’ll all be for naught if they didn’t get a non-partisan truth-seeking education. They’re gonna stick to the ideas of right and wrong, and fair, and true, that they learned at school. “Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the man.”

    (Yes, you could do a better job of hiring than simply taking in people with the right credentials and reputation – except that you’re a billionaire with no media experience, so you must rely on someone else’s expertise, and how do you gauge that except via credentials and reputation?)

  248. Liberatus says:

    Yeah, Greenwald is perhaps just a sly Jew, cutting a figure and earning a buck on the backs of gullible American dissidents on the left.
    But nevermind about that for a second.
    Pay attention to what the man says in his conversation with Tucker C.
    Greenwald holds forth that one of the reasons why the US is currently in such a muddle is the fact that the spy services have been allowed to come too close to the mainstream media.
    In essence: The American media have been made CIA’s bitch.
    Greenwald is right. But Greenwald’s contention that the spy services have infiltrated and taken over the media ought to come as no surprise to anyone.
    The US were to all intents and purposes put on a war footing in 1947. There came into being an American War State. The world has had to cope with the factoid, borne out in real policy, of a new global war that absolutely had to be fought, since then. Churchill said there was a new war (Fulton Speach). George Kennan expounded on the nature of this war and how it should be prosecuted. The Brits helped to get the US a spy system on its back modelled after the British one, whereby the US was put on the way to becoming the same kind of totalitarian police state as the “United Kingdom”. The drunken senator, McCarthy, boisterously went after the “Communists”, playing Americans against each other, in order to make the whole lot of you dissentisized to and disinterested in the truth and morality. And the journalists went along.
    You Yanks cannot pretend in all seriousness not to have heard of this or of occurrances such as “Operation Mockingbird”.
    The change of the US from a republic to a war state is the real relevant backdrop to the mess you Americans find yourselves in, currently. You pay the price for what your oligarchs once deemed necessary for them to do to win the cold war.
    Yeah, you got the Commies, alright. But the price was truth and freedom. Yours and ours.

    • Replies: @Anon
  249. @Astuteobservor II

    I’m afraid that needs a lot more spelling out if I am to understand it. Perhaps ans aggressive Autofill has taken over to inflict near gibberish. No doubt you have an interesting point to make and I urge you to try again.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  250. @Wizard of Oz

    I completely disagree.

    First- what some random Thais who may or my not think about their life is irrelevant.

    Second- the Chinese are old & strong, capable culture. They dominate in SE Asia countries where they can be found in significant numbers. As regards countries populated by white race- they are both cultural & racial aliens. So- they won’t assimilate, ever, simply because races are, vastly, endogamous (forget about fetishes like yellow fever, this is simply a side show).

    Chinese in Australia are racial-cultural unassimilable aliens, like Hindu Indians & Muslims, different from Europeans like Greeks, Italians, Germans, Irish …..

    To let them in was a fatal stupidity.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/23/opinions/gladys-liu-china-australia-opinion-intl-hnk/index.html

    Australia’s Gladys Liu scandal shows how the Chinese Communist Party is weaponizing race (the title is deceptive- China could ditch their version of Communism & still remain an alien force re white inhabited countries, especially in the vicinity)

    https://www.amren.com/features/2013/03/what-happened-to-white-australia/

    What Happened to White Australia?

    • Agree: mark green, Mark Hunter
  251. Sean says:
    @Jiminy

    He has already behaved like a mixture of Jonathan Pollard, Ron Jeremy (complete with disgusting personal hygiene) and Bernie Madoff.

  252. Anon[180] • Disclaimer says:
    @Liberatus

    You totally undermine any truth in your comment by the absurdity of

    US a spy system on its back modelled after the British one, whereby the US was put on the way to becoming the same kind of totalitarian police state as the “United Kingdom”.

    I was there. In the 50s. At university and for a time in the armed services flying and parachuting. I lunched and dined with my father’s old friend from WW2, the deputy head of MI5. Much later in another country I had an ex head of MI6 to dinner who was an urbane non totalitarian whose old girlfriend, met in the ME, had stayed in touch and, living in the same country as I, brought her sweet nature to my table too. But maybe you would care to tell us your odd definition of totalitarian and then relate it to some evidence.

    • Replies: @Blissex
    , @Liberatus
  253. @Astuteobservor II

    Most Unz Review readers do not use the immature language you bandy about.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  254. Blissex says:

    «Their website seemed no different in design or content than that found on dozens of other left-liberal webzines.»

    Many things becomes clearer if they are described as right-liberal: the right has two main sides, the conservative/tory (nationalist, industrial) and the liberist/whig (globalist, financial) sides, and the Democrats and their supporters are almost entirely part of the liberist/whig right side. Both sides are for lower wages, more casual employment, bigger asset returns, the main differences are the type of assets, whether they are socially repressive or not, and nationalist or globalist.

    If anything it is the conservative/tory side that is in its “paternalistic one nation” variant, to which D Trump mostly belongs, that is more to the left, as to offering a better deal to the big majority of workers.

    • Agree: Iris
  255. Clyde says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You are fool cave in at you old age because your daughters have married into alien asians. All comes down to blood I suppose. Though yr posts are good in general.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  256. Sean says:

    In addition to his BA in philosophy Glen Greenwald was a national security blogger, one who the associates of Scooter Libby and John Brennan have little love for. I don’t think Greenwald being a journalist explains why he escaped prosecution, although him being an experienced attorney might. Greenwald was a a tech novice dealing with a CIA contractor computer expert; Assange an Australian convicted criminal hacker in contact with someone who needed help to crack a security system so he could access secret data, which belonged to the US government.

    Meanwhile, it did grudgingly concede that protective status to Greenwald.

    Assange was already an Australian convicted criminal on account of his hacking when he set up Wikileaks, and he is charged with breaking US hacking laws. He never described himself as a journalist until he thought that status might protect him. No bumbling computer nerd, Assange wanted to be James Bond sleeping with many women, and he achieved that for a time.

    Julian Assange may soon be spending the rest of his life in a small prison cell

    Or, as the prosecution are saying, he’ll be out in about five years. Whereupon he will write a book that will make him a millionaire.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  257. @Bardon Kaldian

    I often read your comments and I am surprised that you are so presumptuous as to say “I completely disagree” on a subject (indeed subjects I suspect as I don’t detect any great knowledge of Chinese ethnic and linguistic groups within the Han race) of which you are obviously quite ignorant.

    Your links are rashly proffered proof of the slight evidence on which you have based your views -never having lived in Australia, at least since 1960, for sure. You cite the opinion of some obscure Virginian based on an equally obscure Australian’s nostalgic dreaming. And an opinion by one John Lee that doesn’t justify your characterisation of the perfectly sensible opinion that government needs to do something to inhibit Communist Party of China attempts to put pressure on Chinese Australians. For the most part the Chinese who settle in Australia are either very well aware of why they want to be Australians because they are from Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore or Hong Kong and, apart from the Singaporeans, want security and rule of law OR they are from. mainland China and, even if they retain businesses there want the security further family of a home in Australia. Of course Australia’s major cities rank high amongst The Economist’s “world’s most liveable” and, unfortunately that is partly due to Australia’s easy prosperity because of enormous exports to China which can be interfered with. So far the nastiness of poor whites has only been taken out on comparatively poor Indians who live in the poorest suburbs.The Chinese, at least in Melbourne, ciity of 5 million, tend to live in the upper middle suburbs or better where they are more likely to be thanked for financing a school’s new swimming pool than abused or attacked.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @Jiminy
  258. Skeptikal says:
    @Tusk

    “For one thing, it is a massive leap of faith to join what one is told is a powerful high level secret group”

    Don’t be silly. Operatives are not told this.
    An effective “big” conspiracy is one that keep the moving parts separate. Only a very few know how they work. Example: A mob hit man drops of a couple of weapons at a road house. someone else picks them up. Neither one knows what they are to be used for. Etc.

  259. @Clyde

    I won’t plead guilty to being a fool unless my acccuser can say where I have said anything about my having daughters who have married Asians (or anyone).

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  260. Alden says:
    @anon

    In sure you’re aware that American laws are made more by judges than legislators mayors governors and mayors. It’s whats called the common law of England on which our legal system is based. Judge A makes a ruling, the entire country must obey. Examples, school desegregation, affirmative action, explicit pornography on all the streaming services.

    And then, for ever and ever amen all subsequent judges must follow judge A’s ruling or precedent no matter how destructive, dangerous and disastrous it may be.

    So, the first amendment has been interpreted many times by judges. That’s where freedom of the press, actually First amendment freedom of the press comes from. Goes back more that 200 years, Zenger and other cases. Check out the Mitchell brother pornographers first amendment cases that made certain porn practices most people never heard of legal.

    Written laws mean nothing in the US. It’s judge made law. It’s what the founders intended. Their model was Montesquieu. French aristocrat and judge who essentially believed only judges could make laws. Montesquieu wrote a great deal, and so did the founders . But all his and their writings can be summarized as.

    Laws are made by judges.

    Judges created freedom of the press through a series of findings and rulings over the years.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Sean
  261. Blissex says:
    @Anon

    «the deputy head of MI5. Much later in another country I had an ex head of MI6 to dinner who was an urbane non totalitarian»

    You are confusing good manners with good behaviour… The UK is run by a network of families where some members go into the city, some go into MI5/MI6, some go into the media, some into the army, some into politics. Most of them are well mannered, “nice” people, but also ruthless in protecting and pursuing the interests of that network and its ownership over the country.

    If through your father and other connections you had dinner with ex-MI5/MI6 people you probably belong at least peripherally to that network yourself, so from the inside it may be more difficult to see how tight is their control over the UK and its institutions, and how ruthlessly that control is maintained.

    One of my quotes from the obituary of an MI6 boss, which is so typical of the urbane yet ruthless ways of the UK elites:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/john-clibborn-9q99hkxt2
    Quintessentially English men happiest outside England often enter the clandestine world. […] His Roman Catholic faith remained central to him, although in later years, knowing himself, he did not take communion since he could not reconcile it with decisions he made in the office.

  262. Skeptikal says:
    @Iris

    Yep. Third Rail.
    But how long can this last?
    I mean, when does the Third Rail Defense lose its power/relevance/whatever?

    Large percentages of Americans already know about the Third Rail Defense.
    They know the ‘official narrative” is BS.
    What would it take to blow this situation?
    A martyr?
    What kind of martyr?

    • Replies: @Iris
  263. Skeptikal says:
    @Sean

    Whatever Assange did, he didn’t do it in the USA . . . Or Britain, AFAIK.

    Sleeping with women in not a crime . . . (yet)

    • Replies: @Sean
  264. Patricus says:

    Thanks Ron Unz for maintaining this site. The relatively unfiltered comments contain many “gems”. It’s the best site I know for that reason.

  265. DaveE says:
    @Colin Wright

    ……when push comes to shove, about 90% of all Jews support Israel.

    This comment nails the core of the matter, thanks. There’s no such thing as an anti “anti-zionist” Jew. The core tenets of Judaism , G_d’s Chosen People, their loan-sharking land-dealing “G_d” and all the special privilege and prophetic destiny of World Domination are the same tenets of zionism. Zionism talks about the specific tactics used to implement the basic tenets of Judaism, but conceptually they are the same.

    So don’t hold your breath waiting to find someone who calls himself a Jew and simultaneously thinks Israel should be returned to its rightful owners – or even admits that the whole “country” was stolen, piece by piece, over the last 150 years. No such animal exists.

    An anti-zionist Jew is an ex-Jew. Talking about anything else is like talking about Bankers Against Interest or Vegan Butchers or Hydrophobic Sailors or Honest CNN Producers…..

    • Agree: MrVoid
    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @JWalters
  266. Redman says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Greenwald has been great on some things, but he often gets too bogged down on an issue when he’s into it. For a while, all he seemed to write about were the injustices of Guantanamo. I get the point that since 9/11 what’s been going on there by our government is extremely dodgy (to wit, unconstitutional). But after a while, what’s the point in continuing to write about it? It’s never going to change and most people don’t care anyway. Time to move on.

    And in the last few years, whenever I checked Greenwald’s twitter feed he’d be waffling on about some irrelevancy in Brazil that nobody cares about.

    Jeremy Scahill was great when he wrote about the Obama administration’s horrific wars and extrajudicial killings (particularly the 16 American killed in Yemen). But once Trump (who’s essentially a noninterventionist ) came in, Scahill never seemed to get a new pet project.

    The more one thinks about it, the greater the possibility that the Intercept actually may have been a secret government ruse to capture the better heterodox leftist writers.

  267. Redman says:
    @utu

    What “pro-Trump deep state” are you talking about? Did you just land here from Mars? You might need to regulate your meds.

  268. @Alden

    I may have missed your point but, as surely you know, it is quite wrong to say Judge A’s ruling becomes law in our Common Law jurisdictions. If there is not already a judge made rule that covers the case Judge A may create a precedent but not one that necessarily has to be followed. Thus a judgement of a Federal Appeal Court would be binding as to any rule it laid down on all Federal judges lower in the hierarchy. The judgments of State Courts, like other single judges would, I suppose (without claiming definite knowledge of American law) have “persuasive” authority. All SCOTUS judgments would be binding precedents for whatever rule they established

    • Replies: @Alden
  269. Alden says:
    @Syd Walker

    Maybe Greenwald doesn’t want to be a martyr. He was forcibly retired as many people are. Perhaps he feels he’s done enough.

  270. Blissex says:
    @Alvin

    «the lockdowns – they supported it and other worst human rights violations (can’t work for a living, forced to wear a face mask in public, etc.)»

    Do other people have a human right to not be infected by you, or is your human right to spread potentially deadly infections the only one?
    The libertarian option is that you have a human right to infect as many people as you want, and the infected have the human right to sue you for damages if you do, especially if they are dead, and it is an option that does not seem realistic to many.

    • Replies: @Alvin
  271. @Gidoutahere

    No rebuttal, instant reach for the low hanging fruit.

    This anon just got figured out.

  272. @Wizard of Oz

    He is personally attacking you for having half Japanese relatives.

    But what he doesn’t know is that is how the jews are attempting to infiltrate the east Asian population centers.

  273. Corvinus says:
    @Realist

    “One who lies sometime…can never be trusted.”

    So how do you trust anyone or even yourself by that metric?

    • Replies: @Realist
  274. Corvinus says:
    @Getaclue

    “Somehow you missed the last 4 years and the complete lying bs of the Mainslime Media — “Russia Collusion”etc. lying 24/7 — when from day one they knew from where it came — Hillary Clinton and her minions”

    Wow, you really have been propagandized by your handlers.

    “no one I know who is sane, educated and well read has anything but utter contempt for the NYSlimes and most all of the NWO Globalist Mainslime Media and the “journalists” associated therewith —

    Wow, another No True Scottsman fallacy.

    “the fact you don’t get this is startling — you must be involved with them financially somehow?”

    It’s not really startling at all that you’ve been intellectually stunted as a result of your membership as a Fake News cultist.

  275. Alden says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You know nothing about American law. If you don’t believe my simple explanation of judge made law, who cares? Don’t embarrass yourself.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  276. @Alden

    You are such a fool that you didn’t realise how polite I was being. I actually know rather a lot about American law and merely didn’t want to waste time on checking something I was about 98 per cent I was dead right about. How ridiculous you are in your willingness to undermine any trust your readers have in the reliability of what you assert as fact. I do find it very peculiar that you could say anything so egregiously wrong

    • Replies: @Alden
  277. Liberatus says:
    @Anon

    Blimey!
    A Brit who claims to be cozy with the British spy services calls into question my assertion that the world’s spookiest state, “the United Kingdom”, is a totalitarian police state…
    Well, me voilà put properly in my place!
    And perhaps I should feel terribly afraid. The English have a chilling tradition of killing off perceived enemies – a tradition that they have brazenly but successfully tried to pass off to the world as a specific Russian specialty.
    It is evident from the reaction at hand that I have prodded a sore spot.
    Now, to answer what you try to pass off as a demand for evidence: England became a police state in the years following the eviction from England of the Church – yes the Catholic Church – and, by the way, of morality.
    What followed was the imposition of a police state, bracketed at first at the Catholics in England – that is on those of your compatriots who clung to the old faith – a conservative fraction of England, especially in the North, at the time making up more than half of the population.
    Most English still have no clue what terrible havoc was brought upon their ancestors by Henry VIII, Elizabeth I and their henchmen. The English were cut off from their catholic culture, history and identity and bereaved of all capacity to resist the band of ruthless mock-aristocratic plunderers who were taking over their country.
    The ancestors of these plunderers are still the proprietors of England and “the United Kingdom”.
    These plunderers and the laquais of these plunderers like to think of themselves as civilized, tolerant and liberal and of the system that they have put in place of a real society as the epitome of parliamentary and liberal democracy. But the country in which, for five hundred years, their compatriots have been reduced to make their sorry living is one of the scariest shitholes in the whole world.
    You looking for evidence?
    Well, how about the entirety of your history after the protestant looting operation?
    No? In that case I dare say I will find myself at very great pains of answering your “question”, to fulfill your demand of “evidence” in a manner that might satisfy you.

  278. FB says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    It might be possible that The Intercept was created and well funded solely to provide a vehicle to pay off Greenwald. The Intercept was launched in February 2014 which is about one year after Snowden reached out to Greenwald.

    This seems very unlikely to me…

    I really think the more conspiratorially-minded commenters should read Ken Silverstein’s very negative 2015 article. The whole situation sounds exactly like the problems a generally well-intentioned but extremely naive Tech billionaire with no political or media experience would have in trying to start a new media outlet:

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/02/ken-silverstein-the-intercept-115586

    Well…I read your linked Silverstein piece, and I don’t see how it supports your thesis that Omidyar is simply a ‘generally well-intentioned but extremely naive tech billionaire’…

    Silverstein’s piece paints a completely different picture…where stories are simply killed for nebulous reasons that point to a very clear agenda…

    Silverstein writes…

    The final straw came last Friday [2015] when The Intercept delayed, predictably, another of my stories, about a prominent U.S. architect of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. I quit that day (officially I was terminated on Monday).

    So a story exposing more dirty laundry about the Iraq invasion hit a ‘predictable’ snag…?

    Before that an expose of actor George Clooney’s involvement in the suffering country of Sudan was simply snuffed out by the ‘naive’ tech billionaire’s ‘well-intentioned’ media venture, and Silverstein had to publish the piece elsewhere, even though he was promised that he could write whatever he wanted…

    Many people probably do not know about the splitting of Sudan into two pieces back in 2011…yet another in the long line of splitting up real countries and creating fake new countries that the US has been doing for many years now…in the post-Cold War era this started with Yugoslavia beginning in 1990, then splitting Kosovo from Serbia…then smashing Libya, trying to do the same to Syria etc…

    In each of these imperial adventures, Hollywood has played a huge part in the propaganda that is meant to deceive the folks at home about how this stirring up of violence and separatism in a foreign land is actually a ‘good thing’…

    George Clooney, like so many Hollywood stars before him, decided he wanted to save the world too and for whatever reason he decided to save South Sudan.

    –Ken Silverstein: Why Is South Sudan a Hellhole? Blame George Clooney

    But according to you, there is nothing to see here…suspecting that Omidyar’s motives in regard to creating First Look Media is anything but pure, driven snow is just a ‘conspiracy’…?

  279. @Ultrafart the Brave

    It’s not as if he didn’t have a hand in many, many other persons getting “topped” (or perhaps we should say, “chopped”).

    Le Mesurier was an evil scumbag when he was alive. Now he’s a dead scumbag. Good riddance.

  280. Alvin says:
    @Blissex

    Where were the lockdowns and masks mandates prior to 2020? All these previous flu deaths could have been prevented by locking down and wearing masks? Sweden, Florida, Georgia, South Dakota must have very few people living anymore, since they have no mask mandates, right?

    [MORE]

    The survival rate is well over 99%. Most people have immunity. The people dying are dying WITH Covi not FROM Covid, assuming it’s even real. The collateral damage – the secondary consequences – are much worse, which your side fails to mention. Suicide and drug overdose deaths outpace deaths from Covid (CDC Director Redfield). Even CDC admitted that “6% only” died from Covid alone. I think that number is inflated as well.

    The only way out of any “pandemic” is to get infected, get immunity, so virus cannot be transmitted anymore to a vulnerable host. Lockdowns only prolong an epidemic by slowing down the rate of widespread immunity, not to mention all other non-Covid health problems. Again, you can’t hide and expect virus to go away on its own. Take it head on and get on with your life. We made the cure worse than the disease.

    • Agree: Chaco Cortes
    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  281. Sean says:
    @Skeptikal

    Assange was given bail from an English court and absconded leaving his sureties, one of whom had taken him into his home, in serious financial difficulties. That crime, for which he was sentenced to a 50 weeks term in prison, was a serious breach of the trust of decent people and shows the kind of man Assange is.

    Sleeping with women is not a crime . . . (yet)

    Depends, things that might be forgiven can appear in a different light once a man’s sincerity is in doubt. Which is why a narcissistic celebrity living a James Bond fantasy is quite likely to end up in court; women do not like being trifled with, and if they find out they’ve been taken for a fool …

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  282. @Iris

    War being good for Western jobs , and 9/11 having been a primary boost for the so-called “War on Terror”, questioning the official 9/11 narrative would amount at putting in question the very vehicles that supported living standards in the West.

    War is not “good for Western(or any other) jobs” and “jobs” are not a good, they are(at present) a necessary evil needed to produce goods that people need in order to live. A tiny percentage of people benefit from war, the vast majority do not.

    Living standards “ïn the West”(and everywhere else) are not supported by war; a few people benefit(some mightily) but the vast majority lose. Concentrated benefits, diffuse costs.

    • Thanks: Iris
  283. Sean says:
    @Alden

    Check out the Mitchell brother pornographers first amendment cases that made certain porn practices most people never heard of legal.

    The Mitchell brothers were successful with the assistance of local politically connected attorneys such as Terence Hallinan, so the Mitchels could go to the police and were as a result uniquely immune to Mafia shakedowns.

    I don’t think any supposed First Amendment case was fought on the grounds of an illegal act being legal because it was deemed to fall under freedom of expression. The defence to depicting illegal acts was that a film or photo of a crime was not a crime in itself. That is why child pornography was being openly sold in cities (especially New York) by the mid seventies.

    Supreme Court’s 1973 Miller v. California decision redefined obscenity from “utterly without socially redeeming value” to lacks “serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value”. Crucially, it made ‘contemporary community standards’ the criterion, holding that obscenity was not protected by the First Amendment; the ruling gave leeway to local judges to seize and destroy prints of films adjudged to violate local community standards, which were somewhat different in San Francisco I dare say.

    • Replies: @Alden
  284. Realist says:
    @Corvinus

    So how do you trust anyone or even yourself by that metric?

    My statement implies that the person,in question, is known to lie. Why would you trust a known liar?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  285. JWalters says:
    @Colin Wright

    I agree that currently most Jews support Israel. But even 90% is not All Jews. Further, the American Jewish community is undergoing a shift away from supporting Israel. In the past they have blindly supported Israel because they have been so heavily propagandized, far more than most Americans. But as they are learning about Israel’s atrocious actions, which are so at odds with the values they were told & sold Israel stands for, there is a building wave of buyer’s remorse, especially among the young.

    Further, in order to educate non-Jews it’s better to avoid phrasing that sounds anti-Semitic by broad-brushing all Jews. That will turn away many people. Carefully stating that the issue is not with all Jews will get more people to listen. A key point here is that anti-Zionism is not equal to anti-Semitism, since many Jews are anti-Zionist.

    Finally, it seems to me that broad-brushing all members of any group is usually inaccurate. And while it may occasionally be a convenient linguistic shorthand, in this case that inaccuracy is unfair to the courageous and principled Jews who are standing up vigorously against Zionism. Here’s an interesting article about anti-Zionist Jews in Germany.
    “In first application of anti-BDS law, Germany censors Israelis”
    https://mondoweiss.net/2020/11/in-first-application-of-anti-bds-law-germany-censors-israelis/

  286. JWalters says:
    @DaveE

    You are correct about the Talmud, but mistaken about there being no anti anti-Zionist Jews. There are Reform Jews who repudiate the Jewish supremacy theory of the Talmud and consider themselves Jews. There are staunchly anti-Zionist Jews who consider themselves Jews. Even Zionist Jews consider the Reform Jews to be Jews, but claim they are “self-hating” Jews.

    You may want to define them as “ex-Jews”, but it seems to me you have less authority to define them than they do themselves. By insisting on your own idiosyncratic definition you will only confuse people you try to educate about Talmudism, and discredit yourself in many of their eyes as being overly simple minded and bigoted. My suggestion is to use the standard definitions, and try to be precise in your explanations. That approach helps avoid fruitless sidetracks. You might also take a look at my reply to Colin Wright.

  287. @Wizard of Oz

    This is meaningless because you don’t ge
    t national identity (or at least it seems so). So, I’ll just c-p an old comment.

    It was a reaction to behavior of Israeli Haziony.

    To be more specific, there are essentially two models for nationhood: “Greek” & “Roman”. “Greek” is an ethno-nationalist (common ancestry, language, customs, frequently religion, a sense of common identity & destiny). “Roman” is the progenitor of “civic nationalism” – you belong to a nation if you are citizen, never mind your origin or race or culture. In reality, actual ancient Romans never developed anything from it.

    [MORE]

    “Greek” model became the template for Central & East European nations (Germans, Czechs, Poles, Croats, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Russians,…) & it was later called ethnic nationalism. “Roman” model was dominant in Western Europe (France, Britain, Spain,…), named “civic nationalism”.

    But “civic nationalism” is a conundrum. Essentially, more powerful ethnies in those countries used it as a fig-leaf to assimilate other peoples (linguistically, culturally) into their ethnic corpus, while pretending to remain “fair” & non-imposing. In France, French assimilated groups like Bretons or Gascons, and even clearly different German-speaking Alsatians; in Britain, English tried, with more or less success, to assimilate Welsh & Scots & others; in Spain, Castillans to absorb Catalans, Basques, Valencians, ..).

    So, in all cases of “civic nationalism” it is: a) a mask for more powerful ethnic nation to absorb phenotypically- unlike linguistically-culturally- not much different “others”, b) there was not, anytime, an intent to absorb different races (real race-mixing on a significant scale was not technically possible, or in rare cases, it was shunned) or to live side by side with really different cultures (Muslims, Hindus,…). Jews were generally allowed to stay, but they were put into ghettos. They themselves did not want to become a part of, say, French or Spanish “nation”, nor were locals- mostly- enthusiastic about that.

    Any real nation is an extended family with common identity & historical culture.

    So much for ordinary, historical peoples & nations.

    In the New World, national question is something like a puzzle. Are there nations at all?
    In my view, Canadian nation never existed; American nation did exist from, say, 1790s to 1970s & it was composed of English-speaking whites belonging to Western culture (forms of Christianity & marginally diluted Judaism) & cherishing specifically American national traditions (founding fathers etc). Freed blacks never belonged to the American nation, but they had been American national minority; various Indian peoples living in reservations were not “American” in any national sense.

    When we come to the Hispanic & Portuguese Americas, we see that Bolivar tried to unite all Hispanophone countries in a “nation”, but he failed. Are Mexicans a nation? I don’t know, perhaps they are, a Mestizo nation ruled by light Mestizo/white elite & common culture (language, religion, mostly post-Conquistador history). Peruvians? Bolivians? No, there are too many Indians speaking various non-European languages. Brazilians? Yes & no. They may be considered to be a stratified people where whites clearly dominate & they are defined by their language, different from Spanish (and in a few pockets of Dutch and English) by which they are surrounded.

    So, “proposition nation” has never existed & will never exist. In the world of mass migrations, anti-white advocates try to impose this ludicrous concept on “receiving” countries, which are almost 100% white European in history, culture or identity.

    We all know that there is no chance that anyone rational could consider a black to belong to the Swedish people, even if he speaks only Swedish & lives in that historical-geographic-cultural space; nor would we think that a bunch of whites of, say, Slovak origin could be considered Koreans, even if they totally assimilate into Korean culture. And numbers are crucial: just let, say, 100 million Chinese in Russia & let them assimilate, become Orthodox & speak only Russian as their national language. Would Evgeny Hungovich Pingpongovsky be a Russian, just like the rest- and those Pingponongovskies would constitute 40% of the country?

    No one will consider Gladys Chu or Brian Cheng an Aussie.

  288. Iris says:
    @Skeptikal

    But how long can this last?
    I mean, when does the Third Rail Defence lose its power/relevance/whatever?

    Large percentages of Americans already know about the Third Rail Defence.
    They know the ‘official narrative” is BS.
    What would it take to blow this situation?

    The truth about what happened at the WTC has already come out under the form of two excellent, impeccable and undisputed scientific works by accomplished academics:
    – The University of Alaska WTC7 civil engineering study proved what happened: controlled demolition.
    – Pr Roby’s thermal study proved how it happened: by underground nuclear detonations.

    [MORE]

    There is nothing of importance left to prove and the reckoning is inevitable, because 3000 people have died and their memory cannot be erased. And also because the truth is now in the hands of the global public, not even under control of state actors who could censor it for political gain.

    The only thing slowing down this public reckoning is the US’ unique superpower status. As this status erodes, more echo will be given to the real WTC story, until it becomes deafening.

    In 2015 already, on the 15th commemoration of 9/11, the very mainstream review of the European Society of Physics “Europhysics News” published an article affirming that the three WTC towers came down by controlled demolition:
    https://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2016/04/epn2016474p21.pdf

    Today, the evidence available is overwhelming compared to 2015. Scientists will not tire up and will not cover such a crime. It is just a matter of time until the truth is widely exposed, in parallel with the US supremacy being progressively challenged on the world scene.

  289. Jiminy says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I had to laugh today listening to the radio report about the latest China saga. Billions upon billions of dollars of Australian imports are now sitting, languishing on Chinese docks. Chairman Morrison has certainly shot himself in both feet with his sucking up to the US in insinuating China was responsible for the Maryland flu- and in demanding an enquiry. You would have thought that his fallback plan would have included a guarantee from the US to buy all rejected exports. If people think this year has been hard, wait till the repercussions of the Chinese export debacle start hitting home. On a lighter note, I wonder of the value of the unz site. Might be time to buy shares in it.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  290. Skeptikal says:
    @Sean

    “Which is why a narcissistic celebrity living a James Bond fantasy is quite likely to end up in court; women do not like being trifled with, and if they find out they’ve been taken for a fool …”

    This is adolescent, on the level of a high-school clique of jealous or mean girls. Or boys.
    Or “boys.”
    You sound like he scorned you!!
    Grow up.
    We are talking about actual laws, not rumors and gossip.

    • Replies: @Sean
  291. @JWalters

    It must be noted that there is no such entity as a (or the) Jewish people.

    There are at least four distinctive Jewish peoples. Largest group of Jews in America, for instance are descendants of the Khazarian tribal nation who were converted en masse by their Kagan (much the same as Khan) in the 700’s A.D. These people are a blend (according to their own site–Khazaria.com) from a blend of peoples including Turco-Ugrians, Persians, Armenians, Georgians, Kurds and a few smaller entities. Among them are a small elite cadre drawn from Baghdad and the Persian empires who were of the priestly or rabbinical classes. Their genes are found in probably less than 10 percent of the Ashkenazim or Yiddish speaking Jews who had lived for the most part in Ukraine and Russia.

    Second largest grouping in the U.S. are the Sephardim, who also include a small minority drawn from the ancient Hebrew diaspora across Northern Africa from Libya to Morocco. These Jews were actually into what the Christians would call “evangelism”–as they sought out converts to their system. Interestingly enough, most of these converts were from Berber tribes, many of whom were descendants of the ancient Carthaginians. In general, the Sephardics tend to be finer featured than the Khazarians and almost uniformly with darker eyes and hair color. These were the Jews who, along with the Muslim conquerors of the Mahgreb, went on to overcome the Visigoth kingdom in Spain and ultimately rule over perhaps 90% of the Iberian Peninsula.

    Most confusing to specify typologically are the Mizrahim. These people are indigenous to the Middle East, some of them of Hebrew heritage and others (such as the Yemenis and Arabians) were of the Jewish tradition long before the mythological Egyptian slavery period. The ancient Hebrews apparently did not originate in the Fertile Crescent, but in the southwestern Arabian peninsula. They also include a proportion of converts to Judaism.

    Least acceptable to the extremely racist Khazarian rulers of the Zionist State are the Ethiopian Jews. They do not look “Jewish” as they are of a dark-skinned Hamitic strain, similar to both Christian and Muslim Ethiopians as well as Eritreans and Somalis. Perhaps the primary, if unspoken, reason for the prejudice is that they are vivid testimony that Jews are generally and numerically NOT descended by the ancient Hebrews and their tribal mythology of escaping from slavery in Pharaonic Egypt.

    Though they may be mostly of the Khazarian heritage, the Neturei Karta and other ‘True Torah’ Jews follow only the Pentateuch (first five books of the O.T.) and want nothing to do with the Talmud. So far as the members of those groupings who happen to reside in the Zionist State are coneerned, they
    represent another pain in the ass to the Talmudists, as they utterly reject that encapsulating and exclusivist mania.

    Part of the Rothschild Crime Family’s Zionist program is to create a unified Jewish people. But these disparate groups are a bit hesitant about intermarriage and have become very factionalized. However,the Rothschild power is such that there are powerful bonds that hold this rogue colonialist nation together under the continued rule of the Pharisaical and Sadducean rabbis and the deep rulers behind those minions, the ultimate string-pullers, the “Wise Elders” who constitute the Sanhedrin.

    • Thanks: mark green, Iris
    • Replies: @JWalters
  292. @JWalters

    J.W.: I just finished typing out an addendum to your second most recent posting. In it I went through explanations of the origins of the four different strains of Jews (ethnographically). My prime thesis is/was that there is no such entity as THE Jewish people, rather Jewish peoples. Also that there exist powerful pressures from the Rothschild Crime Clan and the Sanhedrin and their minions to CREATE a unified Jewish people.

    My multi-paragraph mini-essay was duly “Publish Comment”ed, but never appeared on the blog. I severiously doubt that there was a mistake on my part or a glitch by my rather new iMac. My take is that a powerful intel agency closely connected with the Zs, saw where this posting was going and promptly “disappeared” it.

    It would seem that sometimes posters on Unz cut a bit close to the bone and even on this site there is a unique and magickal form of prior censorship.

    Have you or any other poster experienced anything similar?

    • Replies: @JWalters
  293. Ahh, and then…presto. It magically appears as #302 2:44 a.m. GMT.

  294. Alden says:
    @Sean

    One of the Mitchell brothers lawsuits made FFing and live FFing shows in their theater club legal and free speech protected by the Ist amendment

  295. Alden says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You know nothing about American law and that it’s made by judges and has been made by judges since Marbury vs Madison 1804.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  296. score says:

    Where has Mike Whitney gone?

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
  297. @Alden

    It’s a puzzle to know whether you have a short term memory problem (incipient dementia?), are exceptionally obtuse, or are just a bit dim.

    Have you forgotten that you were explaining things in terms of English law?

    It’s whats called the common law of England on which our legal system is based

    .

    You were not then basing anything on your claimed superior knowledge of Marburg v. Madison!

    Then there was this:

    Judge A makes a ruling, the entire country must obey.

    Absurd, of course,and, fwiw, nothing to do with Marbury v. Madison . I suggest you do a search for something like “the doctrine of precedent in the common law”. No thanks or apology expected.

  298. @score

    While you wait for a new article of him to appear at The Unz Review (supposing he is still publishing here), you can follow him at his blog (last update: yesterday):

    http://mikewhitneysgraspingatstraws.blogspot.com/

  299. @Wizard of Oz

    I’m not sure why you suggest we have to be specially understanding of China’s throwing its weight about merely because of America’s bad and/or erratic behaviour.

    At the very least, we should understand that China’s actions are a RESPONSE to the unfriendly & provocative behaviour of the USA in particular, and its various compliant minions in general. China didn’t start any of this – WE did (thanks to our own idiot short-sighted politicians with their slavish obedience to American imperatives).

    I feel sincere sympathy and empathy for China in its frustration in having to deal with countries that are ready to knife them in the back at the first opportunity. The economic, cultural and political engagement between Australia and China has taken a generation to build to its recent level of mutual trust and respect, only for us to see our politicians piss it all down the toilet overnight in a futile gesture of solidarity with their American masters.

    China has not threatened Australia, and in truth intends no threat to Australia, although they most certainly have the capacity to defend their interests if push comes to shove. The Chinese people have farmore pressing concerns, for example raising 1,500 million people to an acceptable level of prosperity while building a global framework for economic advancement through their Belt & Road Initiative. As for any perceived “economic threat”, it was Australia that banned Huawei long before China decided to take any reciprocal measures.

    Australia is a little fish in a world of economic opportunity, but whatever leverage we might have is predicated on mutual respect and cooperation. Lacking that, the truth is that a behemoth like China can get on quite fine without Australia. China doesn’t have to “throw its weight around”, all it has to do to relieve its annoyance is to ignore Australia.

    Perhaps the clowns in Canberra should pause to consider all these things every once in a while.

    I too am critical of the PM and Marise Payne and what they must have failed to say but you seem to recall “fire and brimstone” and “unprovoked political aggression” so…. can you please give me chapter and verse…

    FWIW I haven’t made a habit of recording daytime television broadcasts by our politicians, so I can’t oblige you there (I trawled around a bit looking for transcripts from the various news channels, but couldn’t locate the particular news item in question).

    During that trawling, however, I did stumble across an opinion piece that roughly mirrors my perception of events around that time –

    https://consortiumnews.com/2020/05/03/covid-19-australia-backing-off-trumps-who-inquiry-while-5-eyes-probe-possible-wuhan-lab-leak/

    ( Not that I personally subscribe to notions that Corona Chan “escaped” from a lab in Wuhan – there is far more evidence around now – including from genetic analyses conducted by universities in both Japan & Taiwan – to suggest that, like the Spanish Flu in 1918, Corona Chan originated somewhere in North America. All the more reason for China to be pissed off. )

    As to which (US bad behaviour) have you an opinion of Michael Pembroke’s “Play by the Rules” on which Tom Switzer interviewed him on a recent “Between the Lines”.?

    Thank for this reference – I was unaware of Mr. Pembroke’s book, but am impressed with the various online reviews. I’m inclined to get hold of it now.

    Nor was I privy to Tom Switzer’s interview with Pembroke, and I was unable to pinpoint the relevant transcript on the ABC’s website. Perhaps you might point it out if it can be found. I would be interested in an ex-Supreme Court Judge’s perspective on the trajectory of the American Empire.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  300. Fr. John says:
    @RoatanBill

    ‘From here on out?’

    Let’s just quote one sentence from this ‘article.’

    “…but both figures fell from ideological grace for similar reasons.”
    No, actually they didn’t, and it’s as plain as the nose on your face.
    Snowden is a ‘gentile,’ Greenwald is…. .

    Well, that’s the difference. Every Single Time.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  301. RodW says:
    @Majority of One

    Anti-Defecation League makes no sense. You should call them the Defamation League, because that’s their shtick. They defame honest people as ‘antisemites’. Referring to the ADL as the Defamation League in the company of normies has a very salutary awakening effect.

  302. @YetAnotherAnon

    Has anyone here got any theories on the untimely death of the White Helmets’ declared founder, British soldier/spook James le Mesurier, who less than a year after his third marriage apparently hurled himself out of a third floor window?

    Untimely? No it was very well-timed by those who eliminated him. Obviously, he was about to reveal embarrassing stuff or be exposed. Either way, this would be trouble for the state actors, including Turkey, who were funding the White Helmets. So violent death in Istanbul.
    In the old days, they did the assisted suicide business so much better. James Forrestal “fell” from the 16th floor of Bethesda Naval Hospital. Third floor window? You’d be more likely to break your ankles than anything else.

  303. @Ultrafart the Brave

    The way I find ABC programs these days is to put “abc between the lines [or Saturday extra or…]” in my phone’s Google search bar and then choose Past Programs, after which a quick scan usually locates what I want.

    In the Michael Pembroke case the link is
    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/betweenthelines/slavery-worsened-by-covid,-us-breaking-its-own-rules/12769190

    It is the second half of the program that you want.

    “China throwing its weight about” is perhaps too pejorative for your taste. Maybe I should have said “doing, because it is easy and unlikely to have serious adverse consequences whatever comes to the mind of relevant government officials of an authoritarian super power when dealing with a minnow”.

    Perhaps we might agree that China’s hostage diplomacy (as to both people and trade) is objectively undesirable in a peaceful mutually respectful world even if it is a response to wanting to combat America without war. And anything which panders to the necessarily primitive and uninformed nationalism of the bulk of any large population and still tries to make something of a century of humiliation is an order of magnitude more undesirable than beating up the (equally real) Holocaust which, anyway relies on others’ guilt feelings. The threats to Taiwan , combined with the possible truth of commenter Chinaman’s view that killing 20 million Yaiwanese would be just one of those mildly unfortunate things for a CCP government doesn’t make me think “Oh, but China’s just responding to provocation”.

  304. Bert says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Trump’s reception has indeed been illuminating. It’s interesting that spooks are so sure of their power that they would use a animal mimic as the name of a program for making journalists emit their propaganda.

    Mockingbird putatively mimicking a car alarm.

  305. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    I’ve heard that Greenwald was paid for the Snowden emails, but nothing like the $250 million figure. I would imagine the real amount was something like $2.5 million, which probably got inflated to $250 million as the story got passed around and sensationalized. $2.5 million is believable. Large enough to entice a journalist, but small enough for a billionaire like Omidyar to dish out quietly. In addition to the money, Greenwald is reportedly blackmailed by his lifestyle in Brazil and involvement with underage boys there.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  306. Sean says:
    @Skeptikal

    I was speaking of what might motivate a woman to lodge a complaint. Assange was not arraigned on the basis of gossip, or second hand information, but testimony by the women themselves that they had been victimised by him. It is not a rumour that women are listened to when they complain that a certain man sexually assaulted them, and so the way you press your advances on women can come back to bite you in the butt if they for any reason become motivated them to make a complaint. Assange posed as a peace-loving new man, but behaved towards educated Leftie feminists in a way that that they didn’t appreciate, especially when they found out they were not the only one.

    Celebrities are careful about this kind if thing because they don’t want court cases. The US is known for pursuing those who reveal its secrets, as with Jonathan Pollard serving 28 years imprisonment even though he was spying for an alleged ally. Assange thought he could do anything he wanted to do, but he either underestimated both America and Swedish women or was not giving it much thought to how his intelligence agent of the people act would play in a world of nation states and security concerns.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  307. @Wizard of Oz

    A good response to a latter day CCP apologist. Or is it just a China apologist?
    But then you produce another one of your ( in )famously obscurantist statements.

    And anything which panders to the necessarily primitive and uninformed nationalism of the bulk of any large population and still tries to make something of a century of humiliation is an order of magnitude more undesirable than beating up the (equally real) Holocaust which, anyway relies on others’ guilt feelings.

    What if nationalism of the bulk of the population is a perfectly rational response to a given situation and very well informed ? Historical example: Edward I of England invades Scotland. Was the Scottish Nationalist response primitive and uniformed?
    Was the reaction to the “century of humiliation” 10X worse ( order of magnitude ) than beating up the “Holocaust”. Not very explicit, but I take it you mean the promotion of the “Holocaust” by Jews and their surrogates?
    This is rather amusing as many columnists, including the proprietor of the website, don’t believe in the “Holocaust ” at all. Yes, all sides committed atrocities in WWII, but was there a “Holocaust” ?
    Why would Chinese rely on others’feelings of guilt? Where’s the evidence for this. As regards Latin Christianity, guilt is the greatest problem. In Orthodox Christianity, it’s suffering. Unsurprisingly, Orthodox Christians have been very unreceptive to Jewish claims. They are well aware of Jews causing very real suffering to Orthodox Christians both before and after the Bolshevik Revolution.
    Wiz, reply or forever hold your peace.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  308. R2b says:

    Correct me if IM wrong.
    But this Greenwald and this Snowden.
    Have they contributed with anything?
    Please tell me.
    In my eyes heres just one other dissimulator going to reap his benefits laughing all the way.
    Snowden snowflake!!!

  309. Corvinus says:
    @Realist

    “My statement implies that the person,in question, is known to lie. Why would you trust a known liar?”

    See, you are lying now. So why should anyone trust you, given how you stated that one who lies sometime can never be trusted?

  310. @Sean

    Sean, shut the **** up. Assamge was not charged with sexually assaulting Swedish women. Some weeks after the event, the women involved wanted Assange to get an HIV test. This is not the same as sexual assault. They did not, thereafter, want the Swedish State to press charges against Assange.

    • Replies: @Sean
  311. JWalters says:
    @Majority of One

    Thanks for that overview of the different Jewish populations. It’s the best I’ve seen. Interesting that there’s a small amount of Middle East genes in the Ashkenazis. I read that the leader of the Khazars who adopted Judaism invited a number of rabbis to come to Khazar and teach the population. They were probably quite priviledged and took wives. They would also have likely been motivated to maintain their position of priviledge, and maintain a tradition of strict religious obedience.

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  312. JWalters says:
    @Majority of One

    Sometimes when I post a comment at this site it does not display as usual, so I repost, with the same result (often late at night). But then it shows up later. I suspect this is a glitch in the system of displaying posts that are awaiting approval, because they have always appeared later. On some other sites, however, I’ve seen occasional posts disappear with no “awaiting moderation” message, and then never appear. Those posts were always ones that cut close to the forbidden truth. I suspected in those cases that the service subcontracting the comment system employed Zionist censors, or were hacked by them. I’ve seen that happen multiple times with both Disqus and Akismet comment boards. Evidently parts of the NYT-Google axis of disinformation.

  313. Sean says:
    @Verymuchalive

    You bet they wanted him to take an HIV test! He only spent ten days in Sweden and two white women said they were assaulted by him. One said he had ejaculated in her without her consent by surreptitiously tearing a condom she thought was protecting her from infection and pregnancy, while another awoke to find he had ejaculated in her while she was asleep.

    Anyone with two women accusing him of such behaviour would be likely to find themselves in court. There can be no argument that mister Hawkins AKA Assange absconded from bail and left some people of modest means who stood surety for him and provided him comfortable accommodation minus their life savings. The Aussie kibitzer had the temerity to assert he was somehow being confined in the Embassy that he had absconded into. As a convicted criminal he should never have been allowed into Britain. As he had not even enough brains to leave when the Swedish thing got reported I think his intellect has been greatly exaggerated.

  314. @Verymuchalive

    I think the reply I need to make is to say that I wasn’t suggesting that the Chinese might rely on othrrs’ feelings of guilt, merely acknowledging another deficiency in my analogy.

    As to genuine informed nationalism I am surprised that you think there is any comparison between a few thousand Scots resisting invasion by a few thousand Anglo-Normans and tens of millions of Chinese getting worked up by propaganda fed to them with a focus on what was done, and the way it was done, by non Chinese 150 years ago plus or minus 50-100,

  315. Incitatus says:
    @Iris

    “The reason why 9/11 is “off-limits” is because of the atrocious, barbaric, monstrous, practical circumstances in which it was executed. The truth is too horrible to be told; it would result in the collapse of the American Republic. Any messenger uttering such truth will be liquidated, because even those US state actors totally innocent of 9/11 don’t want the American State to collapse.”

    Yet, thankfully, you’re still living Iris! So much for ‘liquidation’, bodily purée and the rest. Do you have some charm (Oreo cookies, garlic, wolfbain, Infowars supplements?) you wear to ward-off Deep State assassins? Join Alex Jones and make a fortune hawking it (helpful marketing suggestion: claim it cures COVID-19). Sky’s the limit!

    [MORE]

    “Not even the “9/11 Truth” organisations, no matter their integrity, want to be the harbingers of terrible news; so instead, they act as care-takers of the American public, guiding it blindfolded towards edulcorated questioning.”

    “Integrity”? You’re too modest. Most are tax exempt ‘educational’ 501c3s that market conspiracy, opinion, ‘free-speech’, and thinly veiled lobbying curtesy of Uncle Sam’s tax law. Kind of like what you do on UR, but paid by taxpayer victims. Sweet spot indeed.

    501c3s are the “atrocious, barbaric, monstrous” entities spending millions to influence public opinion with pet propaganda to satisfy impatient (oft wingnut) donors with titillating theatre. American Enterprise Institute (AEI) for example. Prime cheerleader of the 2002-2003 Iraq War, hosting regular ‘coffees’ preached by the likes of Richard Perle.

    501c3s are the tapeworm set to devour the host. Average Americans don’t get a tax shelter for expressing views or broadcasting belief. Why should mega-donors and their slavish-for-hire ‘experts’?

    Do “educational” 501c3s hold classes or grant academic degrees? Don’t think so.

    As for 911 WTC, everyone (nudge-nudge, wink-wink; move along, nothing to see here) knows it was a Destructo Beam (first tested by Captain Proton at Chaotica’s Fortress of Doom, later adopted by the Klingons).

    Get with the program Iris. And, by all means, keep wearing garlic!

    • Replies: @Iris
  316. Ron Unz says:
    @Anonymous

    I’ve heard that Greenwald was paid for the Snowden emails, but nothing like the $250 million figure. I would imagine the real amount was something like $2.5 million, which probably got inflated to $250 million as the story got passed around and sensationalized. $2.5 million is believable. Large enough to entice a journalist, but small enough for a billionaire like Omidyar to dish out quietly. In addition to the money, Greenwald is reportedly blackmailed by his lifestyle in Brazil and involvement with underage boys there.

    Well, that’s certainly possible…

    On the other hand, even if it were totally untrue, I’d assume that rumors like that would be deliberately put into circulation for very obvious reasons…

    • Replies: @Chaco Cortes
  317. @Fr. John

    Well, that’s the difference.

    A very good point, easy to overlook.

    It might not be the deciding factor, but then again…

  318. @Wizard of Oz

    Thank you for the “Between the Lines” link…

    Meanwhile –

    Perhaps we might agree that China’s hostage diplomacy (as to both people and trade) is objectively undesirable in a peaceful mutually respectful world even if it is a response to wanting to combat America without war…

    Of course it’s undesirable, in the same way that a bar fight is undesirable to civilised persons.

    However, if a punch-drunk thug targets someone for a punch-up, how is the victim to respond?

    If ever there has been a caricature of a punch-drunk thug in the community of nations, the Exceptional Nation with its little band of Capos spread around the world is it.

    The analogy isn’t intended to be literal, just sufficiently extreme to expose the fundamental principle. If you push someone, they push back.

    I really don’t “get” this repeated reference to “China’s hostage diplomacy”, as though it is China who has authored the method. If one country expels another’s diplomats, reciprocation is the norm. If one country incarcerates another’s corporate executives for transparently ill-intentioned purposes, what response is more appropriate and even-handed than reciprocation?

    Again, of course all these things are undesirable. Mutual respect, genuine communication and cooperation are essential for harmonious coexistence, at every level of human endeavour. Underhanded or aggressive conduct unavoidably attracts a reaction in kind. If we don’t want to get ourselves into a fight, then we most certainly shouldn’t go out and pick a fight for no particular reason.

    As for this –

    The threats to Taiwan , combined with the possible truth of commenter Chinaman’s view that killing 20 million Yaiwanese would be just one of those mildly unfortunate things for a CCP government…

    … now it seems to me that you’re just letting your imagination run wild.

    The “possible truth of commenter Chinaman’s view” is hardly a basis to form a tangible world view of China’s regard for Taiwan.

    On the one hand, Taiwan has a history as a Chinese province, and the latter (comprising by far the bulk of the Chinese population) now views the former as a “renegade province”. China seems content to let Taiwan be, so long as Taiwan doesn’t get too uppity and make problems for China.

    On the other hand, Taiwan is being sized up as another potential colonial possession by the USA, alongside Japan and South Korea, with which to threaten China from it’s immediate vicinity – akin, if you like, to the Soviet Union’s presence in Cuba during the Cold War, multiplied by three. This amounts to an existential threat for China. Recall how the USA reacted to Cuba’s arming by the Soviet Union back in the 1960’s – did anyone begrudge President Kennedy’s threats against Cuba then?

    China has clearly and repeatedly articulated the red lines which Taiwan, as a “renegade province”, should not cross if it doesn’t want to be militarily subdued by China. That’s not a value judgement, that’s just what it is.

    Taiwan’s population is about the same as Australia’s and (ironically) Iraq’s, near 25 million. If China did decide to invade Taiwan, why in the world would they kill 20 million people or 80% of Taiwan’s population? Even the world’s foremost homicidal maniacs, the Americans, who seem to take great delight in killing hordes of foreigners in faraway lands, only slaughtered 30% (!!!) of the North Korean population (mostly civilians) during that long and protracted war. So why would China, after all these years of showing such restraint, suddenly decide to wipe out 20 million of their own people in Taiwan?

    Seriously, and with no intent to undervalue human life or the gravity of war, it sounds like you have absorbed a narrative tailor-made to support American ambitions by casting China as a homicidal axe-wielding maniac.

    I, for one, don’t swallow it.

    Sure, it would be a terrible thing if China invaded Taiwan. War is by nature a terrible thing, to be avaoided at all costs. China has been open and honest in this, repeatedly warning everyone about its red lines not to be crossed. No doubt, if it ever comes to pass, the usual suspects will be there furiously fomenting the course of events – what colour label will this revolution be given?

    Contrast this with the “honesty” of “Team America” in which Australia has proudly played, invading, bombing & generally trashing Iraq in the search for those non-existent “Weapons of Mass Destruction”, outright killing over a million innocent Iraqis (or about 4% of the population) in the process, and ultimately installing a puppet government and leaving the joint in a disastrous state ever since – while using Iraq as a launching platform for more murder and mayhem across the region.

    Not that China should be judged by the yardstick of American team behaviour. It goes without saying that no-one else since the British Empire has been able to get anywhere near that low Imperial standard.

    Bottom line – why the persistent mindset against China and alleged malevolent intentions? China is huge, they’ve raised 800 million people out of poverty over the last 30 years (while Australia now has 1 in 6 children living in poverty, and 40% of Americans are living on food stamps), and they have a legitimate and growing sphere of interest and influence. Putting all the trouble stirred up by the USA, its military and its horde of alphabet agencies aside, China has shown itself to be a willing friend and a force for good in the world. India also has that potential, if only they and the rest of the world would recognise it.

    My concern for Australia is that we are poised to flush the potential for a unique and prosperous position in a multipolar world down the toilet with an entrenched but obsolete imperial ideology.

  319. sb says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I’ve long noted that IQ is everything to you .
    No talk of maintaining a high trust society with large scale volunteerism , full of hobbies ,clubs and societies , people easily mixing ,maybe -dare I say it – egalitarianism and fraternalism . A” non bowling alone “culture if you like
    I might also add that you appear to have a lot of time on your hands

  320. @JWalters

    Years ago when it was current, I had a few listens to “Fiddler on the Roof”. One line stuck in my head. I believe it was Yenta the Matchmaker: “And SHE would marry the Rabbi’s SON???” Makes it all pretty clear if you think about it.

    Among the Baghdadi Jews who committed “missionary” work in Khazaria were a number of Levites and Aharonites—the priestly class. To me it is obvious that the line would have been well understood by even the second generation of the Ashkenazim who swarmed to these shores. The “real” Jews occupied a far higher rung on the scrotum pole throughout the Pale of Settlement, even on down to some of the most humble shtetls.

    If you would care to spend the requisite research time, check out the ‘Khazaria. com’ site. It reads almost as thickly as rabbinical discourses on the Babylonian Talmud, but is loaded with information, which appears to me to be a relatively honest discourse among schulers disputing according to their own predilections and perspectives.

    And thank YOU for sharing your experiences with disappearing postings.

    For some more insights into that swarming in of the Ashkenazim following Emma Lazarus’ now becoming infamous words on the Statue of Liberty. “Give me your tired, your poor and your huddled masses yearning to be free”…have a read of Stephen Birmingham’s “Our Crowd”. He describes in some detail how the primarily Sephardic New York Jews of the late 19th Century described their brothers in chosenness. Sticking their noses into the air, the mostly well to do 200,000 or so offspring of Jewish immigrants who had mostly arrived in America before the Civil War called the boat-people “Kikes” and “Yids”,while commenting disparagingly about their lack of hygiene and generally pushy and obnoxious behavioral patterns.

    Some things never change.

  321. Thanks. I hope to give it the attention and reply it deserves. Meantime, I agree with your last paragraph.

    Otherwise I can’t help noticing that America doesn’t appear to threaten us or be like to, but China could easily, and hints at it by what I have called its hostage diplomacy which is practised by doing damage to American allies or their individual citizens.(Mind you I’m dead against extradition in almost every case, not least to the US).

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  322. moon says: • Website

    Several years ago during the height of the Edward Snowden/NSA spying scandal, Glenn Greenwald was sometimes described as the world’s most famous journalist. I think that characterization was probably correct, at least if we exclude Julian Assange from consideration.

    Yes, he was a bit more hesitant in the early GWOT times. Got my attention at a later space in time, I seem to recall. I hear you, Ron Unz, supported Phil Weiss at one point in time? I understood what he tried to do … and there were earlier more personal posts I loved a lot, seems I am not able to find them again …

    I wondered how and when you got into or tried to read up on the (4000 year old*) Jewish question? Was it the high percentage support of Israelis concerning the Iraq war?

    * or was it two thousand only and thus we have now the Judeo-Christian unity?

  323. Iris says:
    @Incitatus

    Somebody has to tell you, Incitatus, you have no sense of humour whatsoever; your attempts at humour reveal the country bumpkin under the Hasbara. You are as funny as a drunk chimpanzee showing his backside at a wedding ceremony.

    Also, your spewing out like a senile leprechaun going on random diversionary tangents in defence of Israel every time 9/11 is evoked is becoming tiresome. Try something more sophisticated.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  324. vot tak says:

    Interesting. In the last couple of days I’ve noticed my access to this site has been kneecapped when alowing javascript. Ditto trying to post anything, as the page fails to completely download. Kill javascript and it works as before. This bs has happened here several time in the past. In every case before, this happened after I connected a white supremacist writer to zionazi psywar. Coincidence? Yeah, no doubt. Thereis alot of background crap going on in this site when javascript is allowed. A lot of scripts slowing things down quite a bit. It’s not just twitter, facebook, google and the rest of the zionazi-gay corporate psywar machine who play games behind the scenes, small fry likudites do it, in spades, as well. Censorship, limiting access to speak, and listen, is as rightwing as buggery. They whine as they clamp down themselves.

  325. vot tak says:

    This article is misleading. It really isn’t about Greenwald and the intercept. it’s about the site owner “banging his own drum”. IE: a narcissistic advert for the unz site.

  326. Incitatus says:
    @Iris

    “Somebody has to tell you, Incitatus, you have no sense of humour whatsoever”

    Sanguine words sputtered when caught in flagrant 9/11 paranoia (“Any messenger uttering such truth will be liquidated”).

    “bumpkin under the Hasbara…drunk chimpanzee showing his backside at a wedding ceremony”

    Quite the logician, aren’t you!

    “Also, your spewing out like a senile leprechaun going on random diversionary tangents in defence of Israel every time 9/11 is evoked is becoming tiresome. Try something more sophisticated.”

    Quote anything I’ve said in defense of Israel. Take your time, be specific.

    Whoops, forgot you’re a troll. How’s man-boobs Vlad doing? Still paying your salary?

  327. @JWalters

    ‘…Further, in order to educate non-Jews it’s better to avoid phrasing that sounds anti-Semitic by broad-brushing all Jews. That will turn away many people. Carefully stating that the issue is not with all Jews will get more people to listen. A key point here is that anti-Zionism is not equal to anti-Semitism, since many Jews are anti-Zionist…’

    The problem here is that the tide is coming in faster than you’re running, so to speak.

    Ten years ago the argument that I mustn’t alienate Jews but just help them to realize the evil of Israel would have worked great.

    The problem is that while you have caught up with that point, I have moved on.

    I’ve come to realize the pivotal role Jews play in advocating ‘come one, come all’ immigration, a universal black license to crime, successively more incredible forms of sexual degeneracy, etc, etc.

    So how would we help Jews to understand that? What would their repentance consist of?

    Why should I waste time seeking it?

    If, as you say, the audience is to be gentiles, hasn’t it become a matter of getting them to realize that Jews are the problem — not just with respect to Israel, but in general?

  328. @Wizard of Oz

    Otherwise I can’t help noticing that America doesn’t appear to threaten us or be like to…

    This outlook is entirely to be expected for a nation which has enjoyed a close cultural relationship with the USA for several generations, commencing with the mutual defence against Japanese imperial expansion across the Pacific during Exercise WWII.

    The USA in those early days unquestionably held the high moral ground.

    Those days are no more.

    The USA has become an empire aspiring to dominate the globe, and allies like Australia function as its occasionally useful henchmen. Moreover, the Australian & American people have little say in the matter – in fact, any notion that the USA is a democracy is an empirically confirmed delusion, and Australia is arguably sliding in the same direction. A small group of very wealthy & apparently not very nice families seem to be calling all the shots.

    Everything is nice and cosy so long as the henchmen continue to tow the line, but if Australia decided to go its own way and forge a genuinely independent foreign policy, things might get nasty.
    All of a sudden we might find ourselves in the midst of a “colour revolution”, followed by rapid regression to a more compliant governmental regime.

    It has already happened before. Gough Whitlam was fortunate in that they found a way to dispose of his government all nice and legal like, otherwise they might have decided to “JFK” him.

    It’s not a marriage of equals – Australia is a concubine, and the USA has us by the short & curlies.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  329. @Ultrafart the Brave

    Well I can’t help boasting (again probably) about the formulation I proposed for a speech I was to make in Boston 20 years ago. It was “I thank God for America saving the world from democracy. It is a plutocracy, tempered my meritocracy, within a framework of law, and flavoured by the rhetoric of democracy”. As I have learned more, every word seems well chosen.

    What I don’t agree with in your comment is the idea, not believed by Gough himself, that the US had any material part in getting rid of the Whitlam government. Apart from some American with an alleged CIA background who wrote a conspiracy mongering book for money I can’t think of where you might think there is evidence. As it happens I knew enough of the people who were undoubtedly part of the process leading to Gough’s dismissal to see any room for America’s playing a material part.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Ultrafart the Brave
  330. @cranc

    Taibbi is a smart guy, but it is hard to listen to his denunciation of censorship and partisanship when he was so unapologetically dismissive of the counter evidence in the 9/11 investigations. Basically, Matt, you are waking up about 15 years too late.

    I don’t agree with everything Taibbi writes but I certainly won’t condemn the guy for updating his political POV and realizing that censorship and state-involved coverups are a real problem.

    When someone who’s bought into the official 9/11 report says “hey, you were right about the government lying about what happened” do you react by ripping into them for believing a bunch of lies for 15 years? If so, why bother trying to change anyone’s mind about anything?

    Most people are too cowardly or lazy to step out of their comfort zone, seek out new information and publicly change their mind about a contentious issue. Why would you condemn them for that? Would you rather they hadn’t sought out new information and updated their opinion?

  331. Iris says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    What I don’t agree with in your comment is the idea, not believed by Gough himself, that the US had any material part in getting rid of the Whitlam government.

    While the USofA is a Zionist-ruled banana republic, Australia is even more less so.

    Recently released correspondence exchanged between the UK’s Queen and her representative in Australia, in the lead up to Australis’s only dismissal of a former prime minister, shows who really controls your country.

    Governor-General Sir John Kerr dismissed Labour prime minister Gough Whitlam in 1975 and replaced him with opposition leader Malcolm Fraser in one of the most controversial moments in the country’s political history.

    These letters should have been made public as “Commonwealth Record” in 2006, but another 14 years were required for the truth of the matter to become available to the public.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-29/queens-letters-over-australian-pms-dismissal-should-be-public-court-rules

    In summary, the USA and Britain are both political servants to the organised global Zionist alliance, with Britain playing a particular role in policing its Commonwealth minions, Australia, Canada, etc..
    But obviously, you know all that too well. Just playing your part, as usual.

    • Thanks: Ultrafart the Brave
  332. Donald Trump had always struck me as an ignorant buffoon and most of his proposed policies were ridiculous, but I felt that his establishmentarian political critics had almost been driven insane by their loathing for him. Since I regarded both Trump and Biden as such exceptionally awful candidates,

    I really never fail to NOT understand how smart people like Ron can say nonsense like Trump is an ignorant buffoon. Which of his proposed policies were ridiculous? The proposed policy of making NATO nations pay their fair share? Or the proposed policy of improving relations with Russia? Or maybe it was the proposed policy of drawing down ME wars? Perhaps it was the proposed policy of bringing manufacturing back to the US? Or could it have been the proposed policy of withdrawing from the phony, useless, senseless Paris Accords? Or maybe it was the proposed policy of fixing the completely broken Obamacare? Gee, might it have been the proposed policy of withdrawing from the insane “trade agreements” pushed by Obama?

    Ron? Which of these proposed policies signified that Trump was ignorant? Or a buffoon? You sound like the ignorant buffoon here. Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

    To whit: stop the “I really hate the guy, but” apologies that so many think they have to make to retain “credibility” in someone’s eyes (no one really knows who that someone is, but it doesn’t stop guys like you from doing the “Trump is stupid” thing “bu”t that you all do. Cut it out.).

    • Replies: @AReply
  333. @Ron Unz

    [Very long and totally off-topic comments are less likely to be published.]

  334. @Wizard of Oz

    It is a plutocracy, tempered by meritocracy, within a framework of law, and flavoured by the rhetoric of democracy

    This is an insightful quote – captures most of the smoke conveniently in one bottle.

    What I don’t agree with in your comment is the idea, not believed by Gough himself, that the US had any material part in getting rid of the Whitlam government.

    No-one is ever going to come out and admit it, of course, but IMO there’s sufficient investigative groundwork to warrant deep suspicions or even directly support the allegation, eg:

    http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-forgotten-coup-how-america-and-britain-crushed-the-government-of-their-ally-australia

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  335. @Ultrafart the Brave

    I don’t think Pilger is ever going to overcome in my mind the impression created by Auberon Waugh’s coining of “Pilgerise” (evenhandedly he used to pretend that Taki was a Greek waiter). In favour of Pilger is his support for Julian Assange but, in the present case, I point out that his article is dated 2014 and, since then the correspondence between Kerr and the Palace has been disclosed after FOI applications by historians who seem to have harboured suspicions like yours. They have been disappointed and I believe rightly because I got to know a former Labour leader in the House of Lords who, maybe as a Privy Councillor, gave advice to the Queen on the Kerr/Whitlam/Dismissal questions at the time. My strong impression was that the Brits at all levels, wanted to stay out of it. There was nothing in it for them..

  336. @Bill Jones

    Link doesn’t take you to the AHT site. Before this I had tried to go there for my weekly read but repeatedly failed to connect. Anyone know what’s going on? Thanks.

  337. HBM says:

    Greenwald effectively sold the Snowden cache to CIA cutout Omidyar for whatever millions he received in the founding of the Intercept. (And that’s, really, what happened– the Snowden docs were intercepted.) I trust the catty, fat-tongued, voluble Greenwald as far as I can throw up when I see that photo of his proud family. You can bet Snowden regrets his decision to choose Greenwald more than we can ever know and certainly more than he will ever say.

  338. @Bardon Kaldian

    I did search for “Happy White woman” and I got a lot, (really a lot!) of women of various shades frequently with Black boyfriends.

  339. @Sean

    Regarding the treatment Assange has got from the American and British governments and media, the fact that he is an Austrian is relevant to how they assessed his claim to be engaged in journalism.

    Are you sure” he is an Austrian”? I thought he was Australian.

  340. @Realist

    One who lies sometime…can never be trusted.

    This is true but it is also true that a source known to lie, should not be assumed to lie always. And if they lie because they are biased, when they are telling the truth it is usually because it is too obviously true to deny it. That even they admit it is true, can make a good propaganda point.

    • Replies: @Realist
  341. @Bardon Kaldian

    To let them in was a fatal stupidity.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/23/opinions/gladys-liu-china-australia-opinion-intl-hnk/index.html

    Interesting article! If one were to alter all the references to Chinese to Jews and to China and Taiwan to Israel and the West Bank and the references to Beijing to Tel Aviv, the article would make at least as much sense and maybe more!

    In the second article (https://www.amren.com/features/2013/03/what-happened-to-white-australia/) the abandonment of White-only immigration happened simultaneously (around the time that Israel was founded?) in Australia, Britain, Canada and the USA and the article blames it, at least in Australia, on communists and the media. Now, what is the common factor in the communists and the media? I shouldn’t wonder?!

  342. Realist says:
    @foolisholdman

    This is true but it is also true that a source known to lie, should not be assumed to lie always.

    One should never assume anything. A source known to lie can not be trusted.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  343. @Alvin

    The only way out of any “pandemic” is to get infected, get immunity, so virus cannot be transmitted anymore to a vulnerable host.

    Tell it to the Chinese.

  344. Miro23 says:
    @Realist

    @foolisholdman

    This is true but it is also true that a source known to lie, should not be assumed to lie always.

    One should never assume anything. A source known to lie cannot be trusted.

    I’m more for the usefulness of “A source known to lie cannot be trusted” – given that past behavior is the best guide to future behavior. But it’s also true that a source known to lie, should not be assumed to lie always. The practical problem is knowing when they’re lying and when they aren’t.

    Maybe known liars judge when they can successfully employ lies – so the best strategy is probably to get on the safe side, and reject all of their output (assume they’re always lying).

    Problem being that Western governments are now heavily into lying.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Realist
  345. FB says: • Website
    @Miro23

    Since this sub-thread started in reference to The new York Times as a ‘known liar’, it might worth to recall that our own, eminent host here on this site recently stated in one of his comments that probably 95 to 99 percent of what The Times writes is actually FACTUAL…😂

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Colin Wright
  346. Indeed, if not for our having been banned by Facebook and Google earlier this year, we might have even caught up with them by now.

    Consider yourself lucky, Mr. Unz. The American Herald Tribune has been completely wiped off the face of the internet. You simply cannot navigate to that webzine’s website. Used to visit the site for a weekly read. Funny thing is some of the contributors to AHT are folks like Philip Giraldi, Gilad Atzmon, Danny Haiphong who also writes for Black Agenda Report, Ramzy Baroud, and Jonathan Cook, the last two being regulars at Counterpunch. That is as far as I can best recall. I even tried reaching the editor and the email is undeliverable. A quick googling revealed that the FBI regards it as a webzine that writes articles “critical of American foreign policy”. Is it because the webzine is funded by the Iranian government? But is that not true of RT America, Al Jazeera, Voice of America and the BBC?

    Does anyone else know what is going on? The webzine’s namesake for Latin America, the Latin American Herald Tribune on the other hand appears like a US government propaganda mouthpiece (I could be wrong), judging from a single piece that I read that turned out to be rather superficial despite the inflated resume of the author. LAHT came up during my search for the reasons for AHT’s disappearance.

  347. Realist says:
    @FB

    Since this sub-thread started in reference to The new York Times as a ‘known liar’, it might worth to recall that our own, eminent host here on this site recently stated in one of his comments that probably 95 to 99 percent of what The Times writes is actually FACTUAL…😂

    The phrase, containing the words, probablyand actually FACTUAL is a dead give away. Unz just pulled that out of his ass.

    Because The Times gets the date correct is no reason to believe in the veracity of the paper…on issues that matter like all MSM they lie with abandon.

  348. Realist says:
    @Miro23

    Problem being that Western governments are now heavily into lying.

    Yes, it is a requirement for being a tool of the Deep State.

  349. @Corvinus

    Corvinus wrote:

    Thanks for the No True Scotsman Fallacy.

    Corvy, have you still not learned that the No True Scotsman Fallacy is itself a fallacy?

    Are you still unable to understand that it makes perfect sense to say “No true mathematician thinks there are a finite number of primes”?

    Are you always this slow to learn?

    Do you think anyone takes you seriously?

  350. @FB

    ‘Since this sub-thread started in reference to The new York Times as a ‘known liar’, it might worth to recall that our own, eminent host here on this site recently stated in one of his comments that probably 95 to 99 percent of what The Times writes is actually FACTUAL…’

    This is probably true. The Times has a peculiarly slimy way of being technically truthful but functionally deceitful.

    Give me an honest liar any day. You’re far less likely to be led astray.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  351. Ron Unz says:
    @Colin Wright

    ‘Since this sub-thread started in reference to The new York Times as a ‘known liar’, it might worth to recall that our own, eminent host here on this site recently stated in one of his comments that probably 95 to 99 percent of what The Times writes is actually FACTUAL…

    This is probably true. The Times has a peculiarly slimy way of being technically truthful but functionally deceitful.

    I agree entirely, and that was my whole point, though I think I’d used the figure 90-95%.

    Also keep in mind that the Times includes the Sports section and the Weather pages and the Movie schedules…

  352. @YetAnotherAnon

    James le Mesurier, who less than a year after his third marriage apparently hurled himself out of a third floor window?

    Three times, huh?

    Unsound mind, obviously.

  353. square says:

    The USA has evolved into a third world country when measured on a corruption scale.

  354. MEH 0910 says:


    [MORE]

    The journalist Matthew Yglesias, a co-founder of Vox, announced today that he is leaving that publication for the paid-newsletter platform Substack, so that he can enjoy more editorial independence.

    The move may prove a good fit for Yglesias, who began his career as a highly successful independent blogger before blogging at The Atlantic and then elsewhere. But his absence as a staffer (a Vox spokesperson noted that he will continue to host a podcast, The Weeds) will make the publication he co-founded less ideologically diverse at a moment when negative polarization makes that attribute important to the country.

    Like Andrew Sullivan, who joined Substack after parting ways with New York magazine, and Glenn Greenwald, who joined Substack after resigning from The Intercept, which he co-founded, Yglesias felt that he could no longer speak his mind without riling his colleagues. His managers wanted him to maintain a “restrained, institutional, statesmanlike voice,” he told me in a phone interview, in part because he was a co-founder of Vox. But as a relative moderate at the publication, he felt at times that it was important to challenge what he called the “dominant sensibility” in the “young-college-graduate bubble” that now sets the tone at many digital-media organizations.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  355. AReply says:
    @restless94110

    Howard Gardner will have to add another category to his conjecture of multiple intelligences; Trumptelligence!

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences

    OTOH Trump is not a misunderstood genius, unrecognized in his own time. He’s a great carnival barker.

    [MORE]

    As Reagan showed, you can use an actor for the job: someone who can memorize a script and recite it believably.

    Trump, however, wants to be celebrated for his actual competency as a statesman, which is where the whole thing flies apart.

    And that he was not only seriously considered to be Presidential, but made it to office is an astounding demonstration of the distortion and disfigurement the American mind. Which I attribute to intergenerational effects of television.

    I nurse a pet theory that as awful as our civic sphere is as it manifests through centralized media, that the guys who run this shit do it like this because if it were run well society would be even worse. Per Bernays and the fear that what radio catalyzed in Germany might happen elsewhere.

    But this seems absurdly simplistic. The media conduits of shared meaning are not dump-trucks or tubes:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_of_tubes

    So while electricity and garbage can be well-understood and managed, media is a whole other game.

    But just for fun, why not assume the derp state is benevolent; imagine cadres of carefully trained and highly competent operatives working secretively and earnestly to shape thought to enable you to dork around at whatever stupid hobby you love, keep the gas tank filled up, shelves stocked at the big-box, and help you get that kidney when needed.

    Maybe America, like Walmart, isn’t at all that legit, nor even tasteful, but who can say no to the value?!

    • Replies: @restless94110
  356. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

    If you visit Substack’s website, you’ll see leaderboards of the top twenty-five paid and free newsletters; the writers’ names are accompanied by their little circular avatars. The intention is declarative—you, too, can make it on Substack. But as you peruse the lists, something becomes clear: the most successful people on Substack are those who have already been well-served by existing media power structures. Most are white and male; several are conservative. Matt Taibbi, Andrew Sullivan, and most recently, Glenn Greenwald—who offer similar screeds about the dangers of cancel culture and the left—all land in the top ten. (Greenwald’s arrival bumped the like-minded Yascha Mounk to eleventh position; soon, Matthew Yglesias signed up for Substack, too.)

    [MORE]

    None of that is so surprising—it’s hard to earn four-fire-emoji status without having already built up a reputation within established institutions. And, as this year’s anti-racist activism has made all the more visible, those institutions are built from prejudiced systems, which form working environments that are often unsustainable for people who are nonwhite or non-elite. “I think one of the reasons why we often see that the top-twenty-five board at Substack is mostly white authors is because that’s an extension of the type of audience and recognition they get for their work on other platforms,” Harvin said.

  357. @AReply

    But just for fun, why not assume the deep state is benevolent; imagine cadres of carefully trained and highly competent operatives working secretively and earnestly to shape thought to enable you to dork around at whatever stupid hobby you love, keep the gas tank filled up, shelves stocked at the big-box, and help you get that kidney when needed.

    Just for fun, why not assume you have been spending a whole lot of time in your head masturbating some kind of utopia that represents a dystopia that no one in their right mind would ever want in their worst nightmares.

    Reagan was not just an actor saying lines. He was a deft manager and thus accomplished much. Trump is the same. Not just an MC but someone with heterodox ideas and not afraid to say and to implement them.

    You have drunk the Kool-Aid. You think a totalitarian technocracy would be a good thing? You think leaders like Reagan and Trump are somehow fake and false and thus have no value?

    I just don’t know what to say other than your stance is bankrupt on all levels.

  358. @RoatanBill

    Hear hear! Anybody linked to the Guardian is suspect in my opinion. The fact that he’s a (((Greenwald))) only compounds matters.

  359. MEH 0910 says:

  360. @Anon

    I’m curious, who do you think, in the political world today, would be a good candidate?

    Ron Unz.

  361. @brabantian

    Snowden wrote a book in which one word never shows up: ‘Israel’. He’s a complete and utter fraud as far as I’m concerned-just a CIA employee. Being a fake dissident is a job; all the fake counter-culture musicians of the 60’s and early 70’s fit one of two profiles: came from extremely wealthy and connected families, David Crosby types, or from military familes, Jim Morrison types. Not surprising at all, we find that the lead singer of The Doors had a father rather high in the U.S. Navy who just happened to command the ship involved in the false flag ‘Gulf of Tonkin’ operation. Wow. Just an amazing cohencidence.
    Assange may have been an activist. I’m not clear on him and don’t know what to make of him. His story of having grown up in a Christian religious-extremist cult via a step-father is a great cover story for someone with a thick Mk-Ultra file and the CIA often ran MK-Ultra operations in allied countries like Australia and Canada. This aspect alone makes Assange very suspect, in my eyes.
    I forget the name of the source, but I read an opinion that what Assange really did was to expose some operators from a certain tier of people and that the ‘leaks’ and subsequent problems experienced by people exposed effectively served to warn the rest.
    He has been used as a propaganda tool for years. As far as the average person is concerned, I’d say he serves as a warning to ‘just shut up and do what you’re told’.
    What if the average person just decided to say [email protected] it and called in sick for a week or, worse, went out in the streets in protest- a collective yellow vesting of a society? What do you do if a whole work force acts in concert and paralyzes all income generating activites?

    I believe this is their real fear and explains a great deal of the contortions that I see from my particular observation post.

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