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Back in 2012 I published this major article in The American Conservative, comparing China with America and discussing their likely future prospects. Important recent events have now brought this topic to the fore, and although eight years is an eternity in global geopolitics, I would still stand by virtually everything I wrote at the time. Others can judge for themselves how well—or how poorly—my analysis seems to have fared.

TAC-ChinaAmericaViewAsPDF2 The rise of China surely ranks among the most important world developments of the last 100 years. With America still trapped in its fifth year of economic hardship, and the Chinese economy poised to surpass our own before the end of this decade, China looms very large on the horizon. We are living in the early years of what journalists once dubbed “The Pacific Century,” yet there are worrisome signs it may instead become known as “The Chinese Century.”

But does the Chinese giant have feet of clay? In a recently published book, Why Nations Fail, economists Daron Acemoglu and James A. Robinson characterize China’s ruling elites as “extractive”—parasitic and corrupt—and predict that Chinese economic growth will soon falter and decline, while America’s “inclusive” governing institutions have taken us from strength to strength. They argue that a country governed as a one-party state, without the free media or checks and balances of our own democratic system, cannot long prosper in the modern world. The glowing tributes this book has received from a vast array of America’s most prominent public intellectuals, including six Nobel laureates in economics, testifies to the widespread popularity of this optimistic message.

Yet do the facts about China and America really warrant this conclusion?

China Shakes the World

pudongg By the late 1970s, three decades of Communist central planning had managed to increase China’s production at a respectable rate, but with tremendous fits and starts, and often at a terrible cost: 35 million or more Chinese had starved to death during the disastrous 1959–1961 famine caused by Mao’s forced industrialization policy of the Great Leap Forward.

China’s population had also grown very rapidly during this period, so the typical standard of living had improved only slightly, perhaps 2 percent per year between 1958 and 1978, and this from an extremely low base. Adjusted for purchasing power, most Chinese in 1980 had an income 60–70 percent below that of the citizens in other major Third World countries such as Indonesia, Nigeria, Pakistan, and Kenya, none of which were considered great economic success stories. In those days, even Haitians were far wealthier than Chinese.

All this began to change very rapidly once Deng Xiaoping initiated his free-market reforms in 1978, first throughout the countryside and eventually in the smaller industrial enterprises of the coastal provinces. By 1985, The Economist ran a cover story praising China’s 700,000,000 peasants for having doubled their agricultural production in just seven years, an achievement almost unprecedented in world history. Meanwhile, China’s newly adopted one-child policy, despite its considerable unpopularity, had sharply reduced population growth rates in a country possessing relatively little arable land.

A combination of slowing population growth and rapidly accelerating economic output has obvious implications for national prosperity. During the three decades to 2010, China achieved perhaps the most rapid sustained rate of economic development in the history of the human species, with its real economy growing almost 40-fold between 1978 and 2010. In 1978, America’s economy was 15 times larger, but according to most international estimates, China is now set to surpass America’s total economic output within just another few years.

Furthermore, the vast majority of China’s newly created economic wealth has flowed to ordinary Chinese workers, who have moved from oxen and bicycles to the verge of automobiles in just a single generation. While median American incomes have been stagnant for almost forty years, those in China have nearly doubled every decade, with the real wages of workers outside the farm-sector rising about 150 percent over the last ten years alone. The Chinese of 1980 were desperately poor compared to Pakistanis, Nigerians, or Kenyans; but today, they are several times wealthier, representing more than a tenfold shift in relative income.

A World Bank report recently highlighted the huge drop in global poverty rates from 1980 to 2008, but critics noted that over 100 percent of that decline came from China alone: the number of Chinese living in dire poverty fell by a remarkable 662 million, while the impoverished population in the rest of the world actually rose by 13 million. And although India is often paired with China in the Western media, a large fraction of Indians have actually grown poorer over time. The bottom half of India’s still rapidly growing population has seen its daily caloric intake steadily decline for the last 30 years, with half of all children under five now being malnourished.

China’s economic progress is especially impressive when matched against historical parallels. Between 1870 and 1900, America enjoyed unprecedented industrial expansion, such that even Karl Marx and his followers began to doubt that a Communist revolution would be necessary or even possible in a country whose people were achieving such widely shared prosperity through capitalistic expansion. During those 30 years America’s real per capita income grew by 100 percent. But over the last 30 years, real per capita income in China has grown by more than 1,300 percent.

Over the last decade alone, China quadrupled its industrial output, which is now comparable to that of the U.S. In the crucial sector of automobiles, China raised its production ninefold, from 2 million cars in 2000 to 18 million in 2010, a figure now greater than the combined totals for America and Japan. China accounted for fully 85 percent of the total world increase in auto manufacturing during that decade.

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It is true that many of China’s highest-tech exports are more apparent than real. Nearly all Apple’s iPhones and iPads come from China, but this is largely due to the use of cheap Chinese labor for final assembly, with just 4 percent of the value added in those world-leading items being Chinese. This distorts Chinese trade statistics, leading to unnecessary friction. However, some high-tech China exports are indeed fully Chinese, notably those of Huawei, which now ranks alongside Sweden’s Ericsson as one of the world’s two leading telecommunications manufacturers, while once powerful North American competitors such Lucent-Alcatel and Nortel have fallen into steep decline or even bankruptcy. And although America originally pioneered the Human Genome Project, the Beijing Genomics Institute (BGI) today probably stands as the world leader in that enormously important emerging scientific field.

China’s recent rise should hardly surprise us. For most of the last 3,000 years, China together with the Mediterranean world and its adjoining European peninsula have constituted the two greatest world centers of technological and economic progress. During the 13th century, Marco Polo traveled from his native Venice to the Chinese Empire and described the latter as vastly wealthier and more advanced than any European country. As late as the 18th century, many leading European philosophers such as Voltaire often looked to Chinese society as an intellectual exemplar, while both the British and the Prussians used the Chinese mandarinate as their model for establishing a meritocratic civil service based on competitive examinations.

Even a century ago, near the nadir of China’s later weakness and decay, some of America’s foremost public intellectuals, such as Edward A. Ross and Lothrop Stoddard, boldly predicted the forthcoming restoration of the Chinese nation to global influence, the former with equanimity and the latter with serious concern. Indeed, Stoddard argued that only three major inventions effectively separated the world of classical antiquity from that of 18th-century Europe—gunpowder, the mariner’s compass, and the printing press. All three seem to have first appeared in China, though for various social, political, and ideological reasons, none were properly implemented.

Does China’s rise necessarily imply America’s decline? Not at all: human economic progress is not a zero-sum game. Under the right circumstances, the rapid development of one large country should tend to improve living standards for the rest of the world.

This is most obvious for those nations whose economic strengths directly complement those of a growing China. Massive industrial expansion clearly requires a similar increase in raw-material consumption, and China is now the world’s largest producer and user of electricity, concrete, steel, and many other basic materials, with its iron-ore imports surging by a factor of ten between 2000 and 2011. This has driven huge increases in the costs of most commodities; for example, copper’s world price rose more than eightfold during the last decade. As a direct consequence, these years have generally been very good ones for the economies of countries that heavily rely upon the export of natural resources—Australia, Russia, Brazil, Saudi Arabia, and parts of Africa.

Meanwhile, as China’s growth gradually doubles total world industrial production, the resulting “China price” reduces the cost of manufactured goods, making them much more easily affordable to everyone, and thereby greatly increases the global standard of living. While this process may negatively impact those particular industries and countries directly competing with China, it provides enormous opportunities as well, not merely to the aforementioned raw-material suppliers but also to countries like Germany, whose advanced equipment and machine tools have found a huge Chinese market, thereby helping to reduce German unemployment to the lowest level in 20 years.

And as ordinary Chinese grow wealthier, they provide a larger market as well for the goods and services of leading Western companies, ranging from fast-food chains to consumer products to luxury goods. Chinese workers not only assemble Apple’s iPhones and iPads, but are also very eager to purchase them, and China has now become that company’s second largest market, with nearly all of the extravagant profit margins flowing back to its American owners and employees. In 2011 General Motors sold more cars in China than in the U.S., and that rapidly growing market became a crucial factor in the survival of an iconic American corporation. China has become the third largest market in the world for McDonald’s, and the main driver of global profits for the American parent company of Pizza Hut, Taco Bell, and KFC.

Social Costs of a Rapid Rise

Transforming a country in little more than a single generation from a land of nearly a billion peasants to one of nearly a billion city-dwellers is no easy task, and such a breakneck pace of industrial and economic development inevitably leads to substantial social costs. Chinese urban pollution is among the worst in the world, and traffic is rapidly heading toward that same point. China now contains the second largest number of billionaires after America, together with more than a million dollar-millionaires, and although many of these individuals came by their fortunes honestly, many others did not. Official corruption is a leading source of popular resentment against the various levels of Chinese government, ranging from local village councils to the highest officials in Beijing.

But we must maintain a proper sense of proportion. As someone who grew up in Los Angeles when it still had the most notorious smog in America, I recognize that such trends can be reversed with time and money, and indeed the Chinese government has expressed intense interest in the emerging technology of non-polluting electric cars. Rapidly growing national wealth can be deployed to solve many problems.

Similarly, plutocrats who grow rich through friends in high places or even outright corruption are easier to tolerate when a rising tide is rapidly lifting all boats. Ordinary Chinese workers have increased their real income by well over 1,000 percent in recent decades, while the corresponding figure for most American workers has been close to zero. If typical American wages were doubling every decade, there would be far less anger in our own society directed against the “One Percent.” Indeed, under the standard GINI index used to measure wealth inequality, China’s score is not particularly high, being roughly the same as that of the United States, though certainly indicating greater inequality than most of the social democracies of Western Europe.

Many American pundits and politicians still focus their attention on the tragic Tiananmen Square incident of 1989, during which hundreds of determined Chinese protesters were massacred by government troops. But although that event loomed very large at the time, in hindsight it generated merely a blip in the upward trajectory of China’s development and today seems virtually forgotten among ordinary Chinese, whose real incomes have increased several-fold in the quarter century since then.

Much of the Tiananmen protest had been driven by popular outrage at government corruption, and certainly there have been additional major scandals in recent years, often heavily splashed across the pages of America’s leading newspapers. But a closer examination paints a more nuanced picture, especially when contrasted with America’s own situation.

For example, over the last few years one of the most ambitious Chinese projects has been a plan to create the world’s largest and most advanced network of high-speed rail transport, an effort that absorbed a remarkable $200 billion of government investment. The result was the construction of over 6,000 miles of track, a total probably now greater than that of all the world’s other nations combined. Unfortunately, this project also involved considerable corruption, as was widely reported in the world media, which estimated that hundreds of millions of dollars had been misappropriated through bribery and graft. This scandal eventually led to the arrest or removal of numerous government officials, notably including China’s powerful Railways Minister.

Obviously such serious corruption would seem horrifying in a country with the pristine standards of a Sweden or a Norway. But based on the published accounts, it appears that the funds diverted amounted to perhaps as little as 0.2 percent of the total, with the remaining 99.8 percent generally spent as intended. So serious corruption notwithstanding, the project succeeded and China does indeed now possess the world’s largest and most advanced network of high-speed rail, constructed almost entirely in the last five or six years.

Meanwhile, America has no high-speed rail whatsoever, despite decades of debate and vast amounts of time and money spent on lobbying, hearings, political campaigns, planning efforts, and environmental-impact reports. China’s high-speed rail system may be far from perfect, but it actually exists, while America’s does not. Annual Chinese ridership now totals over 25 million trips per year, and although an occasional disaster—such as the 2011 crash in Weizhou, which killed 40 passengers—is tragic, it is hardly unexpected. After all, America’s aging low-speed trains are not exempt from similar calamities, as we saw in the 2008 Chatsworth crash that killed 25 in California.

For many years Western journalists regularly reported that the dismantling of China’s old Maoist system of government-guaranteed healthcare had led to serious social stresses, forcing ordinary workers to save an unreasonable fraction of their salaries to pay for medical treatment if they or their families became ill. But over the last couple of years, the government has taken major steps to reduce this problem by establishing a national healthcare insurance system whose coverage now extends to 95 percent or so of the total population, a far better ratio than is found in wealthy America and at a tiny fraction of the cost. Once again, competent leaders with access to growing national wealth can effectively solve these sorts of major social problems.

Although Chinese cities have negligible crime and are almost entirely free of the horrible slums found in many rapidly urbanizing Third World countries, housing for ordinary workers is often quite inadequate. But national concerns over rising unemployment due to the global recession gave the government a perfect opportunity late last year to announce a bold plan to construct over 35 million modern new government apartments, which would then be provided to ordinary workers on a subsidized basis.

All of this follows the pattern of Lee Kwan Yew’s mixed-development model, combining state socialism and free enterprise, which raised Singapore’s people from the desperate, abject poverty of 1945 to a standard of living now considerably higher than that of most Europeans or Americans, including a per capita GDP almost $12,000 above that of the United States. Obviously, implementing such a program for the world’s largest population and on a continental scale is far more challenging than doing so in a tiny city-state with a population of a few million and inherited British colonial institutions, but so far China has done very well in confounding its skeptics.

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America’s Economic Decline

These facts do not provide much evidence for the thesis in Why Nations Fail that China’s leaders constitute a self-serving and venal “extractive” elite. Unfortunately, such indications seem far more apparent when we direct our gaze inward, toward the recent economic and social trajectory of our own country

Against the backdrop of remarkable Chinese progress, America mostly presents a very gloomy picture. Certainly America’s top engineers and entrepreneurs have created many of the world’s most important technologies, sometimes becoming enormously wealthy in the process. But these economic successes are not typical nor have their benefits been widely distributed. Over the last 40 years, a large majority of American workers have seen their real incomes stagnate or decline.

Meanwhile, the rapid concentration of American wealth continues apace: the richest 1 percent of America’s population now holds as much net wealth as the bottom 90–95 percent, and these trends may even be accelerating. A recent study revealed that during our supposed recovery of the last couple of years, 93 percent of the total increase in national income went to the top 1 percent, with an astonishing 37 percent being captured by just the wealthiest 0.01 percent of the population, 15,000 households in a nation of well over 300 million people.

Evidence for the long-term decline in our economic circumstances is most apparent when we consider the situation of younger Americans. The national media endlessly trumpets the tiny number of youthful Facebook millionaires, but the prospects for most of their contemporaries are actually quite grim. According to research from the Pew Center, barely half of 18- to 24-year-old Americans are currently employed, the lowest level since 1948, a time long before most women had joined the labor force. Nearly one-fifth of young men age 25–34 are still living with their parents, while the wealth of all households headed by those younger than 35 is 68 percent lower today than it was in 1984.

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The total outstanding amount of non-dischargeable student-loan debt has crossed the trillion-dollar mark, now surpassing the combined total of credit-card and auto-loan debt—and with a quarter of all student-loan payers now delinquent, there are worrisome indicators that much of it will remain a permanent burden, reducing many millions to long-term debt peonage. A huge swath of America’s younger generation seems completely impoverished, and likely to remain so.

International trade statistics, meanwhile, demonstrate that although Apple and Google are doing quite well, our overall economy is not. For many years now our largest goods export has been government IOUs, whose dollar value has sometimes been greater than that of the next ten categories combined. At some point, perhaps sooner than we think, the rest of the world will lose its appetite for this non-functional product, and our currency will collapse, together with our standard of living. Similar Cassandra-like warnings were issued for years about the housing bubble or the profligacy of the Greek government, and were proven false year after year until one day they suddenly became true.

Ironically enough, there is actually one major category in which American expansion still easily tops that of China, both today and for the indefinite future: population growth. The rate of America’s demographic increase passed that of China over 20 years ago and has been greater every year since, sometimes by as much as a factor of two. According to standard projections, China’s population in 2050 will be almost exactly what it was in 2000, with the country having achieved the population stability typical of advanced, prosperous societies. But during that same half-century, the number of America’s inhabitants will have grown by almost 50 percent, a rate totally unprecedented in the developed world and actually greater than that found in numerous Third World countries such as Colombia, Algeria, Thailand, Mexico, or Indonesia. A combination of very rapid population growth and doubtful prospects for equally rapid economic growth does not bode well for the likely quality of the 2050 American Dream.

China rises while America falls, but are there major causal connections between these two concurrent trends now reshaping the future of our world? Not that I can see. American politicians and pundits are naturally fearful of taking on the fierce special interest groups that dominate their political universe, so they often seek an external scapegoat to explicate the misery of their constituents, sometimes choosing to focus on China. But this is merely political theater for the ignorant and the gullible.

Various studies have suggested that China’s currency may be substantially undervalued, but even if the frequent demands of Paul Krugman and others were met and the yuan rapidly appreciated another 15 or 20 percent, few industrial jobs would return to American shores, while working-class Americans might pay much more for their basic necessities. And if China opened wide its borders to more American movies or financial services, the multimillionaires of Hollywood and Wall Street might grow even richer, but ordinary Americans would see little benefit. It is always easier for a nation to point an accusing finger at foreigners rather than honestly admit that almost all its terrible problems are essentially self-inflicted.

Decay of Constitutional Democracy

The central theme of Why Nations Fail is that political institutions and the behavior of ruling elites largely determine the economic success or failure of countries. If most Americans have experienced virtually no economic gains for decades, perhaps we should cast our gaze at these factors in our own society.

Our elites boast about the greatness of our constitutional democracy, the wondrous human rights we enjoy, the freedom and rule of law that have long made America a light unto the nations of the world and a spiritual draw for oppressed peoples everywhere, including China itself. But are these claims actually correct? They often stack up very strangely when they appear in the opinion pages of our major newspapers, coming just after the news reporting, whose facts tell a very different story.

Just last year, the Obama administration initiated a massive months-long bombing campaign against the duly recognized government of Libya on “humanitarian” grounds, then argued with a straight face that a military effort comprising hundreds of bombing sorties and over a billion dollars in combat costs did not actually constitute “warfare,” and hence was completely exempt from the established provisions of the Congressional War Powers Act. A few months later, Congress overwhelmingly passed and President Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act, granting the president power to permanently imprison without trial or charges any American whom he classifies as a national-security threat based on his own judgment and secret evidence. When we consider that American society has experienced virtually no domestic terrorism during the past decade, we must wonder how long our remaining constitutional liberties would survive if we were facing frequent real-life attacks by an actual terrorist underground, such as had been the case for many years with the IRA in Britain, ETA in Spain, or the Red Brigades in Italy.

Most recently, President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder have claimed the inherent right of an American president to summarily execute anyone anywhere in the world, American citizen or not, whom White House advisors have privately decided was a “bad person.” While it is certainly true that major world governments have occasionally assassinated their political enemies abroad, I have never before heard these dark deeds publicly proclaimed as legitimate and aboveboard. Certainly if the governments of Russia or China, let alone Iran, declared their inherent right to kill anyone anywhere in the world whom they didn’t like, our media pundits would immediately blast these statements as proof of their total criminal insanity.

These are very strange notions of the “rule of law” for the administration of a president who had once served as top editor of the Harvard Law Review and who was routinely flattered in his political campaigns by being described as a “constitutional scholar.”

Many of these negative ideological trends have been absorbed and accepted by the popular culture and much of the American public. Over the last decade one of the highest-rated shows on American television was “24”, created by Joel Surnow and chronicling Kiefer Sutherland as a patriotic but ruthless Secret Service agent, with each episode constituting a single hour of his desperate efforts to thwart terrorist plots and safeguard our national security. Numerous episodes featured our hero torturing suspected evildoers in order to extract the information necessary to save innocent lives, with the entire series representing a popular weekly glorification of graphic government torture on behalf of the greater good.

Now soft-headed protestations to the contrary, most governments around the world have at least occasionally practiced torture, especially when combating popular insurgencies, and some of the more brutal regimes, including Stalinist Russia and Nazi Germany, even professionalized the process. But such dark deeds done in secret were always vigorously denied in public, and the popular films and other media of Stalin’s Soviet Union invariably featured pure-hearted workers and peasants bravely doing their honorable and patriotic duty for the Motherland, rather than the terrible torments being daily inflicted in the cellars of the Lubyanka prison. Throughout all of modern history, I am not aware of a single even semi-civilized country that publicly celebrated the activities of its professional government torturers in the popular media. Certainly such sentiments would have been totally abhorrent and unthinkable in the “conservative Hollywood” of the Cold War 1950s.

And since we live in a entertainment-dominated society, sentiments affirmed on the screen often have direct real-world consequences. At one point, senior American military and counter-terrorism officials felt the need to travel to Hollywood and urge its screenwriters to stop glorifying American torture, since their shows were encouraging U.S. soldiers to torture Muslim captives even when their commanding officers repeatedly ordered them not to do so.

Given these facts, we should hardly be surprised that international surveys over the past decade have regularly ranked America as the world’s most hated major nation, a remarkable achievement given the dominant global role of American media and entertainment and also the enormous international sympathy that initially flowed to our country following the 9/11 attacks.

An Emerging One-Party State

So far at least, these extra-constitutional and often brutal methods have not been directed toward controlling America’s own political system; we remain a democracy rather than a dictatorship. But does our current system actually possess the central feature of a true democracy, namely a high degree of popular influence over major government policies? Here the evidence seems more ambiguous.

Consider the pattern of the last decade. With two ruinous wars and a financial collapse to his record, George W. Bush was widely regarded as one of the most disastrous presidents in American history, and at times his public approval numbers sank to the lowest levels ever measured. The sweeping victory of his successor, Barack Obama, represented more a repudiation of Bush and his policies than anything else, and leading political activists, left and right alike, characterized Obama as Bush’s absolute antithesis, both in background and in ideology. This sentiment was certainly shared abroad, with Obama being selected for the Nobel Peace Prize just months after entering office, based on the widespread assumption that he was certain to reverse most of the policies of his detested predecessor and restore America to sanity.

Yet almost none of these reversals took place. Instead, the continuity of administration policy has been so complete and so obvious that many critics now routinely speak of the Bush/Obama administration.

The harsh violations of constitutional principles and civil liberties which Bush pioneered following the 9/11 attacks have only further intensified under Obama, the heralded Harvard constitutional scholar and ardent civil libertarian, and this has occurred without the excuse of any major new terrorist attacks. During his Democratic primary campaign, Obama promised that he would move to end Bush’s futile Iraq War immediately upon taking office, but instead large American forces remained in place for years until heavy pressure from the Iraqi government finally forced their removal; meanwhile, America’s occupation army in Afghanistan actually tripled in size. The government bailout of the hated financial manipulators of Wall Street, begun under Bush, continued apace under Obama, with no serious attempts at either government prosecution or drastic reform. Americans are still mostly suffering through the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression, but Wall Street profits and multimillion-dollar bonuses soon returned to record levels.

In particular, the continuity of top officials has been remarkable. As Bush’s second defense secretary, Robert Gates had been responsible for the ongoing management of America’s foreign wars and military occupations since 2006; Obama kept him on, and he continued to play the same role in the new administration. Similarly, Timothy Geithner had been one of Bush’s most senior financial appointments, playing a crucial role in the widely unpopular financial bailout of Wall Street; Obama promoted him to Treasury secretary and authorized continuation of those same policies. Ben Bernanke had been appointed chairman of the Federal Reserve by Bush and was reappointed by Obama. Bush wars and bailouts became Obama wars and bailouts. The American public voted for an anti-Bush, but got Bush’s third term instead.

During the Cold War, Soviet propagandists routinely characterized our democracy as a sham, with the American public merely selecting which of the two intertwined branches of their single political party should alternate in office, while the actual underlying policies remained essentially unchanged, being decided and implemented by the same corrupt ruling class. This accusation may have been mostly false at the time it was made but seems disturbingly accurate today.

When times are hard and government policies are widely unpopular, but voters are only offered a choice between the rival slick marketing campaigns of Coke and Pepsi, cynicism can reach extreme proportions. Over the last year, surveys have shown that the public non-approval of Congress—representing Washington’s political establishment—has ranged as high as 90–95 percent, which is completely unprecedented.

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But if our government policies are so broadly unpopular, why are we unable to change them through the sacred power of the vote? The answer is that America’s system of government has increasingly morphed from being a representative democracy to becoming something closer to a mixture of plutocracy and mediacracy, with elections almost entirely determined by money and media, not necessarily in that order. Political leaders are made or broken depending on whether they receive the cash and visibility needed to win office.

National campaigns increasingly seem sordid reality shows for second-rate political celebrities, while our country continues along its path toward multiple looming calamities. Candidates who depart from the script or deviate from the elite D.C. consensus regarding wars or bailouts—notably a principled ideologue such as Ron Paul—are routinely stigmatized in the media as dangerous extremists or even entirely airbrushed out of campaign news coverage, as has been humorously highlighted by comedian Jon Stewart.

We know from the collapsed communist states of Eastern Europe that control over the media may determine public perceptions of reality, but it does not change the underlying reality itself, and reality usually has the last laugh. Economics Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz and his colleagues have conservatively estimated the total long-term cost of our disastrous Iraq War at $3 trillion, representing over one-fifth of our entire accumulated national debt, or almost $30,000 per American household. And even now the direct ongoing costs of our Afghanistan War still run $120 billion per year, many times the size of Afghanistan’s total GDP. Meanwhile, during these same years the international price of oil has risen from $25 to $125 per barrel—partly as a consequence of these past military disruptions and growing fears of future ones—thereby imposing gigantic economic costs upon our society.

And we suffer other costs as well. A recent New York Times story described the morale-building visit of Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta to our forces in Afghanistan and noted that all American troops had been required to surrender their weapons before attending his speech and none were allowed to remain armed in his vicinity. Such a command decision seems almost unprecedented in American history and does not reflect well upon the perceived state of our military morale.

Future historians may eventually regard these two failed wars, fought for entirely irrational reasons, as the proximate cause of America’s financial and political collapse, representing the historical bookend to our World War II victory, which originally established American global dominance.

Our Extractive Elites

When parasitic elites govern a society along “extractive” lines, a central feature is the massive upward flow of extracted wealth, regardless of any contrary laws or regulations. Certainly America has experienced an enormous growth of officially tolerated corruption as our political system has increasingly consolidated into a one-party state controlled by a unified media-plutocracy.

Consider the late 2011 collapse of MF Global, a midsize but highly reputable brokerage firm. Although this debacle was far smaller than the Lehman bankruptcy or the Enron fraud, it effectively illustrates the incestuous activities of America’s overlapping elites. Just a year earlier, Jon Corzine had been installed as CEO, following his terms as Democratic governor and U.S. senator from New Jersey and his previous career as CEO of Goldman Sachs. Perhaps no other American had such a combination of stellar political and financial credentials on his resume. Soon after taking the reins, Corzine decided to boost his company’s profits by betting its entire capital and more against the possibility that any European countries might default on their national debts. When he lost that bet, his multi-billion-dollar firm tumbled into bankruptcy.

At this point, the story moves from a commonplace tale of Wall Street arrogance and greed into something out of the Twilight Zone, or perhaps Monty Python. The major newspapers began reporting that customer funds, eventually said to total $1.6 billion, had mysteriously disappeared during the collapse, and no one could determine what had become of them, a very strange claim in our age of massively computerized financial records. Weeks and eventually months passed, tens of millions of dollars were spent on armies of investigators and forensic accountants, but all those customer funds stayed “missing,” while the elite media covered this bizarre situation in the most gingerly possible fashion. As an example, a front page Wall Street Journal story on February 23, 2012 suggested that after so many months, there seemed little likelihood that the disappeared customer funds might ever reappear, but also emphasized that absolutely no one was being accused of any wrongdoing. Presumably the journalists were suggesting that the $1.6 billion dollars of customer money had simply walked out the door on its own two feet.

Stories like this give the lie to the endless boasts of our politicians and business pundits that America’s financial system is the most transparent and least corrupt in today’s world. Certainly America is not unique in the existence of long-term corporate fraud, as was recently shown in the fall of Japan’s Olympus Corporation following the discovery of more than a billion dollars in long-hidden investment losses. But when we consider the largest corporate collapses of the last decade that were substantially due to fraud, nearly all the names are American: WorldCom, Enron, Tyco, Global Crossing, and Adelphia. And this list leaves out all the American financial institutions destroyed by the financial meltdown—such as Lehman, Bear Stearns, Merrill Lynch, Washington Mutual, and Wachovia—and the many trillions of dollars in American homeowner equity and top-rated MBS securities which evaporated during that process. Meanwhile, the largest and longest Ponzi Scheme in world history, that of Bernie Madoff, had survived for decades under the very nose of the SEC, despite a long series of detailed warnings and complaints. The second largest such fraud, that of Allen R. Stanford, also bears the label “Made in the USA.”

Some of the sources of Chinese success and American decay are not entirely mysterious. As it happens, the typical professional background of a member of China’s political elite is engineering; they were taught to build things. Meanwhile, a remarkable fraction of America’s political leadership class attended law school, where they were trained to argue effectively and to manipulate. Thus, we should not be greatly surprised that while China’s leaders tend to build, America’s leaders seem to prefer endless manipulation, whether of words, money, or people.

How corrupt is the American society fashioned by our current ruling elites? That question is perhaps more ambiguous than it might seem. According to the standard world rankings produced by Transparency International, the United States is a reasonably clean country, with corruption being considerably higher than in the nations of Northern Europe or elsewhere in the Anglosphere, but much lower than in most of the rest of the world, including China.

But I suspect that this one-dimensional metric fails to capture some of the central anomalies of America’s current social dilemma. Unlike the situation in many Third World countries, American teachers and tax inspectors very rarely solicit bribes, and there is little overlap in personnel between our local police and the criminals whom they pursue. Most ordinary Americans are generally honest. So by these basic measures of day-to-day corruption, America is quite clean, not too different from Germany or Japan.

By contrast, local village authorities in China have a notorious tendency to seize public land and sell it to real estate developers for huge personal profits. This sort of daily misbehavior has produced an annual Chinese total of up to 90,000 so-called “mass incidents”—public strikes, protests, or riots—usually directed against corrupt local officials or businessmen.

However, although American micro-corruption is rare, we seem to suffer from appalling levels of macro-corruption, situations in which our various ruling elites squander or misappropriate tens or even hundreds of billions of dollars of our national wealth, sometimes doing so just barely on one side of technical legality and sometimes on the other.

Sweden is among the cleanest societies in Europe, while Sicily is perhaps the most corrupt. But suppose a large clan of ruthless Sicilian Mafiosi moved to Sweden and somehow managed to gain control of its government. On a day-to-day basis, little would change, with Swedish traffic policemen and building inspectors performing their duties with the same sort of incorruptible efficiency as before, and I suspect that Sweden’s Transparency International rankings would scarcely decline. But meanwhile, a large fraction of Sweden’s accumulated national wealth might gradually be stolen and transferred to secret Cayman Islands bank accounts, or invested in Latin American drug cartels, and eventually the entire plundered economy would collapse.

Ordinary Americans who work hard and seek to earn an honest living for themselves and their families appear to be suffering the ill effects of exactly this same sort of elite-driven economic pillage. The roots of our national decline will be found at the very top of our society, among the One Percent, or more likely the 0.1 percent.

 

Thus, the ideas presented in Why Nations Fail seem both true and false. The claim that harmful political institutions and corrupt elites can inflict huge economic damage upon a society seems absolutely correct. But while the authors turn a harsh eye toward elite misbehavior across time and space—from ancient Rome to Czarist Russia to rising China—their vision seems to turn rosy-tinted when they consider present-day America, the society in which they themselves live and whose ruling elites lavishly fund the academic institutions with which they are affiliated. Given the American realities of the last dozen years, it is quite remarkable that the scholars who wrote a book entitled Why Nations Fail never glanced outside their own office windows.

A similar dangerous reticence may afflict most of our media, which appears much more eager to focus on self-inflicted disasters in foreign countries than on those here at home. Presented below is a companion case-study, “Chinese Melamine and American Vioxx: A Comparison,” in which I point out that while the American media a few years ago joined its Chinese counterparts in devoting enormous coverage to the deaths of a few Chinese children from tainted infant formula, it paid relatively little attention to a somewhat similar domestic public-health disaster that killed many tens or even hundreds of thousands of Americans.

A society’s media and academic organs constitute the sensory apparatus and central nervous system of its body politic, and if the information these provide is seriously misleading, looming dangers may fester and grow. A media and academy that are highly corrupt or dishonest constitute a deadly national peril. And although the political leadership of undemocratic China might dearly wish to hide all its major mistakes, its crude propaganda machinery often fails at this self-destructive task. But America’s own societal information system is vastly more skilled and experienced in shaping reality to meet the needs of business and government leaders, and this very success does tremendous damage to our country.

Perhaps Americans really do prefer that their broadcasters provide Happy News and that their political campaigns constitute amusing reality shows. Certainly the cheering coliseum crowds of the Roman Empire favored their bread and circuses over the difficult and dangerous tasks that their ancestors had undertaken during Rome’s rise to world greatness. And so long as we can continue to trade bits of printed paper carrying presidential portraits for flat-screen TVs from Chinese factories, perhaps all is well and no one need be too concerned about the apparent course of our national trajectory, least of all our political leadership class.

But if so, then we must admit that Richard Lynn, a prominent British scholar, has been correct in predicting for a decade or longer that the global dominance of the European-derived peoples is rapidly drawing to its end and within the foreseeable future the torch of human progress and world leadership will inevitably pass into Chinese hands.

Ron Unz is publisher of The American Conservative and founder of Unz.org.

(Republished from The American Conservative by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Good for those that prosper around the globe – may all do so.

    There is also much more to a “good life” than materialism.

    But – it’s incontrovertible that not only financial security but liberty are being terribly lost in America by most of us.

    Our nation was decided to live by the sword, so we are perishing by its costs – both those financially and spiritual.

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    , @sally
  2. Very good piece and very perceptive about reality in the U.S.

  3. Mr.Unz……..An excellent article and right to the point. America has been hijacked over the last 100 years or so by Globalist Elitists who have rammed their New World Order down our throats. All 10 Planks to the Communist Manifesto,in one form or another,have been implemented into the American fabric. The American Constitution has been so changed around,warped,misinterpreted and or ignored that it bares little resemblance to the founder’s intent.
    Over half of the American voting population are net tax consumers. Yet,if one becomes an entrepreneur,creates jobs,pays taxes and is successful then that person is vilified and condemned as an exploiter. The Cultural Marxists have done a good job of creating a climate of class warfare. The transfer of wealth from the Economic Class to the Political Class is obvious to any observer. Over 60% of the wealth of the nation is now being taken directly or indirectly by Government on one level or another.Yet,the State still wants more. In essence, we have forgotten in the Western World what creates a high standard of living. Hard work,property rights,being able to keep the fruits of ones labor,the rule of law. All of this has been replaced by the entitlement mentality. You right in your thesis. Unless the course of history is altered China will surpass the West economically.

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  4. platocrat says:

    This piece hits it out of the goddamn ball park. Fact rich and acute. Right on, Mr. Unz. This one’s going out to everyone I know.

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    , @OilcanFloyd
  5. Rossbach says:

    “According to standard projections, China’s population in 2050 will be almost exactly what it was in 2000, with the country having achieved the population stability typical of advanced, prosperous societies. But during that same half-century, the number of America’s inhabitants will have grown by almost 50 percent, a rate totally unprecedented in the developed world and actually greater than that found in numerous Third World countries such as Colombia, Algeria, Thailand, Mexico, or Indonesia.”

    It is singular that this article pays very close attention to the reason for China’s population stability but does not even hint at why the US has such a high rate of population growth. This failure suggests another reason for the decay of US (and Western European) society: political correctness.

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  6. Jack Ross says:

    Definitely on the money regarding the U.S., I’m not sure the outlook for China though is quite so rosy. I fear you made a serious mistake of burying the lead. That said, one other issue you should have mentioned is the way the two major parties monopolize access to the ballot, as discussed in a recent Al Jazeera series on the frauds of American democracy.

  7. platocrat says:

    “Certainly America has experienced an enormous growth of officially tolerated corruption as our political system has increasingly consolidated into a one-party state controlled by a unified media-plutocracy.”

    In a nutshell.

  8. JonF says:

    Re: This failure suggests another reason for the decay of US (and Western European) society: political correctness

    Huh? And while demographics may not be destiny, demography should not be ignored either. The US is likely to have a younger population structure than China which, as others have noted, is going to grow old without first growing rich– not an enviable situation. Moreover that population is likely to include a fair number of unmarried men for whom no women are available. That’s pretty muich unprecedented in history (although the reverse has occasionally happened due to wars), and I have no idea how it will play out, but I suspect it will not be a mark in China’s plus column.

    This piece whistewashes China’s enormous challenges while exaggerating America’s. That’s not to say we have no challenges nor that China does not have its strengths. Still, I would sooner bet the farm on the US coming through this century without major political calamity than China doing so. (Note: I said “calamity”, I did not say “change”. Both countries, will need to change a lot– something true of the whole world)

  9. JonF says:

    Re: Over half of the American voting population are net tax consumers

    This is simply not true. While it may be true that about half the country pays no federal income tax (although I am skeptical as to that claim), they are still paying other taxes.
    Moreover you cannot determine who is a net tax consumer and who is not from a single slice of time: that needs to be considered over the course of an entire lifetime. Every single child, for example, is obviously a net tax consumer, but that’s always going to be true (assuming we do not return to sending five year olds to the coal mines).

  10. Rossbach says:

    @ JonF – The missing piece of the demographic puzzle: The US Census Bureau estimates that we will add 100 million people to the US population over the next 40 years, a 33% increase. Approximately 82% of that growth will be from mass immigration (over 1 million annually, plus all of their descendents). Congress has no plans to curtail this – ever.

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  11. Dave says:

    1/ I saw this movie before-in the ’70’s. Only then ‘China’ was called ‘Japan’.

    2/ As to history and the 2 party system, nothing new:

    Gates was Bush’s Sec’y of Defense and became Obama’s Sec’y of Defense.

    Stanton was Buchanan’s Sec’y of War and became Lincoln’s Sec’y of War.

    And America has always had its plunderers-see the Gilded Age-Jay Gould (et al) plundered as do today’s plutocrats.

    And American governments have gone around killing US citizens without seriously attempting to arrest them (see J Dillinger, C Barrow, B Parker)

  12. jsmith says:

    When I come to a red light on the street, I notice a Hyundai in front of me, a Mercedes Benz on my left, a Toyota on my right, and a Nissan behind me. While corporate greed is destroying us, we have ourselves to blame. At least I drive an American car. I have a 5 year plan to get out of this doomed country while the getting out is still good!

  13. America’s worse than third world style population growth isn’t an advantage in any way, shape or form. Firstly, energy availability (and not labor) will be the bounding factor for economic growth over the next few decades, and secondly the only sectors of the population that are growing are those with the absolute least level of relevant skills that will be needed in years that are to come.

    No other developed nation, save almost empty Canada and Austrailia, have ever seen massive population growth such as this.

  14. beowulf says:

    Excellent piece Ron. China is very good at learning what works in America. In terms of govt policy, alas, that means what we were doing a century ago. As tax Yoda David Cay Johnston explains:

    “One country actually has created a very simple income tax. That would be China, its income tax filing rules modeled on those of the U.S. Congress circa 1913-1942…. The United States once had a very simple tax return, but that was almost a century ago when the modern income tax began. The 1913 income tax form consisted of three pages plus one page of instructions. Only those at the top paid income taxes, filling out that simple form, just as in China today…”

    “If we dumped all the tax favors, all else being equal, we could make one of three choices. We could cut tax rates across the board. We could bring in enough money to make the perennial federal budget deficits the kind of minor concern they were before the Reagan era. Or we could exempt at least 72 percent of American workers from paying income tax, as China did until this month [Sept 2011].
    Imagine the talk in Washington if, as in China now, 92.3 percent of American workers were exempt from income tax.”
    http://blogs.reuters.com/david-cay-johnston/2011/09/06/a-simple-income-tax/

  15. Japan and China is not remotely a fair comparison – Japan has only 127 million people whereas China has 1331 million people. When China reaches American levels of economic development, as Japan did in the 1980’s, the implications for America, both political and economic, are going to be vastly more severe than they were when Japan emerged as a developed nation. Think of 2030 China as being ten and a half 2012 Japans to get an rough idea of what’s coming.

    JonF:

    A good number of hunter gatherer societies that survived into modern times, such as the Yanomano in South America, had much more lopsided sex ratios than China does today. This isn’t new.

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  16. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Do not blame the elites, blame the people.

    The US has become a de facto theocracy and the would-be patriots and learned americans have never questioned the current state of affairs. They keep going to the poll like sheep with their media reports in their hands.

    How can Americans believe in political illusionism when even a kid sees that things are falling apart? The separation of church and state no longer apply. The Chief of the armed forces can kill americans at will…. The constitution becomes just a scratch paper – and people still go to the poll!!!

    Even if China is not the world economic superpower in 10-20 years from now, it doesn’t mean that the US is going to grow. The US external debt is now close to $16trillion – I can’t even count the zeros after 16 so I just write trillion!!!

    Do you really believe that a country that is paying $500billion per year just to service its debt is a viable country? I am not even talking about reimbursing the capital. How can an economy that generates $15trillion has a debt of $16trillion? Doesn’t that mean that the US is already bankrupt?

    You can argue that the UK has an external debt of $9trillion for a GDP of $2trillion and is not bankrupt yet, but this is a virtual countries that would disappear if all foreign investors decided to withdraw at least $2trillion of their money at the same time!!! The future is in Asia (not only in China) , Brazil and Russia. Europe and the US are the countries of the past whether they want to know their fate or not…

    Europe and the US decided to delocalize all their industries to China and I don’t see them coming back anytime soon. Now they’re switching some from China to other cheap labor havens in Asia and Asia is the future and the old empires can only decline and fall.

  17. Zhu Bajie says:

    “China’s recent rise should hardly surprise us. For most of the last 3,000 years, China together with the Mediterranean world and its adjoining European peninsula have constituted the two greatest world centers of technological and economic progress.”

    He’s mistaken about the Euro peninsula. It should be Indian peninsula and Middle East, including Greece. Europe offered nothing special before 1500 or so.

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  18. JonF says:

    Bob Arctor,

    Yes, some societies have had an excess of women after many men have been killed in warfare: Germany and France after WWI, or the American South after the Civil War. But an excess of men is pretty much unprecedented.

  19. JonF says:

    Also, Bob, people are not born into the world with skills; they acquire them. And if there is a demand for those skills (and compensation offered for gaining them, and a means to do so) then people will acquire them.
    Last I checked the US (and indeed much of the world) has high unemployment and is not demadning much in those terms. But I am not much worried that if things turn around in that respect people will not gain the skills they need, assuming only that there exists a means by which they may do so.
    We’ve been fussing and fretting about a “‘skills gap” since the days of Sputnik yet that gap has always been more mythical than real. And people have fretting that the “wrong people” are having children since at least the days of Caesar Augustus, yet believe it or not humanity has not regressed into imbecility. America’s demography and its openness to immigration and to innovation are strengths not weakness. The societies of East Asia are much more likely to grow sclerotic than we are. Yes, there are a lot challenmges facing us– and all the world. But as I said I expect the US to have a better opportunity to weather them than China.

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  20. A. Aftab says:

    The biggest offenders here are those who brush aside the obvious decline of the U.S. and are lying to themselves when they deny the obvious. Without going into the history or the causes……the devastation is all around us folks. You know it, you feel it and you see it!

    There are no jobs! There’s no industry! and no one knows how in the hell would this corrupt government and the elite plan on bringing this decrepit economy back on its feet?

    People are beginning to leave the country now to find work in Canada, the ME and even Australia. I see more and more qualified and educated Americans coming to Australia now to find good jobs in the lucrative mining industry.

    Thank God I left the U.S in 2006…..just in the nick of time.

  21. Rossbach says:

    The connection between massive, uncontrolled population growth (really, the mass importation of poverty) and political correctness is this: If we were to actually have a rational discussion about the risks and benefits of mass immigration, we would be forced to conclude that there is no benefit to the average American. So, the proponents of perpetual mass immigration have a vital interest in ensuring that no such discussion occurs. As soon as the the “nation of immigrants” argument and all the Gunga-Din stories are exposed as myth, the name-calling begins:racist, hater, xenophobe, nativist, fascist, nazi, etc,, etc.

  22. Jamie says: • Website

    America has become the most hated country on earth along with Israel,and the tyranicle government that controlls the country with all their crimes and lies will make America a country no smart person would want to be a citizen.America can do better if people wake up to the coruption and stop spending as much as the rest of the world on their military.It’s not a matter of if but when China becomes the biggest economy,but also the strongest military by far on earth.I just hope China don’t act like the American criminal government wasting tax payers money on illegal wars baised on lies.It’s been happening for over 100 years,but know they do it in the open and have tottaly ignored the constitution.The 1 thing that made America great was the constitution and as time goes by it is ignored to the point the rest of the world and Americans see that America has no high ground,unless you call mudering innocent civilians in illegal wars.America is bankrupt and when they can no longer afford to bribe others it will collapes and the hatred it has caused for it’self will turn the entire world against it.Even Israel will no longer be because of their warmongering and raceist government.

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  23. The Industrial Revolution began in Britain, which had huge deposits of coal to power the new industries. Nonetheless the Germans, who entered this phase of societal development nearly a century after Britain, came to dominate technology within 50 years of starting. The new guys get to learn from, and avoid, many of the mistakes made by the pioneers. China is entering its’ Digital Revolution later than the Western powers, but as Germany did, they will come to be a world leader in short order.

    Is this a bad thing? I do not think so. Chinese history is surprisingly slim on foreign conquest, even going back to their previous hayday in the 13th century. Their naval power made what the Europeans could bring to bear look pitiful in comparison, even pushing forward in time several centuries for the Europeans. The Chinese are a smart, educated, and hard-working people. All societies have their ups and downs…and we might want to give that idea some serious thought.

  24. c matt says:

    How can an economy that generates $15trillion has a debt of $16trillion? Doesn’t that mean that the US is already bankrupt?

    If the $15T refers to GDP/income, technically that would not be bankrupt (depending on your defintions, of course). You would have to compare debt to assets, not income, and if debt exceed assets you are bankrupt. The other definition generally used is the inability to pay debts as they become due. The US credit rating has been downgraded by some, but i have not heard of the US defaulting on any debt payments. Not saying we are in good shape by a longshot, but only that we do not meet the definition of bankruptcy (under the most commonly used definitions). But it sure looks like we are headed that way.

  25. c matt says:

    There’s no industry! and no one knows how in the hell would this corrupt government and the elite plan on bringing this decrepit economy back on its feet?

    Simple – they don’t plan to.

  26. c matt says:

    that there is no benefit to the average American

    depending on your defintion of average American, I am not so sure. Illegal immigration does provide cheap unskilled and semi-skilled labor, which keeps costs down, in particular for agriculture, construction, and domestic service/hospitality industries. Not saying it’s right, but there is at least some benefit.

  27. c matt says:

    I just hope China don’t act like the American criminal government wasting tax payers money on illegal wars baised on lies

    You never know, but I would hope they would learn from our mistakes. Far better to dominate economically than militarily.

  28. Grace says:

    People forget the most basic things in life. China and Japan share the East China Sea water table. Fukushima has poisoned the global water tables.

    If everyone drinks the same cancerous cesium poison what does it matter how many there are?

    There will be no one to lift guns,power robots, or push nuke buttons.

    China will be useless in five years as a superpower unless Fukushima is managed.

  29. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    The subtitle, “Which superpower is more threatened by its “extractive elites”?” reflects what I believe is the most important political issue of the times. As one commenter pointed out above, really there is nothing all that different now. I suspect this is largely true in that ‘the masses’ have usually lived many steps removed from understanding what is ‘really going on.’ However today we are all linked on the material plane through electronic communication and transportation in a way that before was never possible in that most ordinary people lived nearly all of their lives bounded within a very small geographical, aka ‘local’ area. They were place-bound, in other words. Now we are not. And because we are not the opportunity and scope for mass deception have greatly increased along with the ability of ruling elites to be more and more extractive.

    I suspect you could almost make a mathematical formula out of it along the lines of: S = F+O * (E/C), where S = Society or Stable & Sane Society, F = Freedom (opportunity, creativity etc.), O = Organisation (cultural institutions of education, governance, manners, language, both in terms of efficiency and levels of corruption/deceit etc. ), E = Elites/Leadership class and C = Checks and Balances.

    Something like that. Assuming a scale of 1-100 in each case, in the US I think it is about: S = 70+50 * (95/35) = 120 * 2.7 = 325.7.

    China: S = 45+65(110) * (75/50) = 100* 1.5 = 150.

    China has 45 F-freedom to US 70.
    China has 65 O-Organisation to US 50.
    China has 75 E-Elites to US 95.
    China has 50 C-Checks to US 35.

    All of these are highly arguable of course but I think most would agree their freedom quotient is lower, albeit the US has some of the worst upward / class mobility figures in the West as a 10-year NYT study showed a while back.
    China seems to have far greater organisational skills, as witnessed by their development of high speed rail of late, which the US is incapable of doing.
    Because of much greater power on the local level, I have given Chinese Elites a lower score even though if we were to believe our own media, you would think that the US doesn’t really have any elites and China is a monolithic top-down beast.
    For the same reason, I put in more Checks for China since I believe their people demonstrate and organise far more energetically than those in the West, and that the Elites have to pay far more attention to them. This is a wild guess.

    Anyway, thanks for a GREAT article!

  30. Luke Lea says:

    Of course Unz is assuming he knows what is really going on in China.

  31. China’s rise and America’s fall was masterfully engineered. The driving force was finance(international)

  32. Rossbach says:

    @ c matt – “Illegal immigration does provide cheap unskilled and semi-skilled labor, which keeps costs down, in particular for agriculture, construction, and domestic service/hospitality industries”

    Immigration (both legal and illegal) provides cheap labor to low-wage employers, not to the average American. This tends to drive down wages for Americans who work in the same industries. In addition, these low-paid workers use more public services to supplement their meager incomes and Americans must pay for that. In short, immigration (both legal and illegal) is a subsidy to the industries that use them, enabling them to privatize the gain and commonize the cost.

  33. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Interesting that the author noted the power of media propaganda by way of TV programs like “24”. A big part of that series’ indoctrination was prepping the American public to root for and support a black presidential candidate-before Barack Obama was on the scene – by means of what was undeniably the most sympathetic character in the long running series.

    In both instances, making torture and Obama acceptable, we got taken for a ride.

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  34. The notion of “extractive elites” inadvertently wrecking their own country’s future prospects is rich with irony—of the Alfred E. Neumann kind (“What, me worry?”). What about the extraction of coal? It is the U.S. that is bribing China with coal exports—America’s relatively most abundant natural resource—so that the Chinese will tolerate America’s fiscal irresponsibility by continuing to prop up the dollar. Six months ago I sent a letter about this to my local county council, which will decide in the next year whether to allow the largest coal terminal in North America to be built (at the behest of Goldman Sachs, among others) just a few miles from where I was living until recently, in the idyllic town of Ferndale, WA. I maintained that one doesn’t need to be a Green Party member in order to oppose the coal terminal project—any ardent nationalist worth his salt can, and ought to, oppose it tooth and nail.

    Coal terminals which make possible the shipping of millions of tons of coal to China would be a disaster on several counts. Symbolically and as a matter of policy, the coal exports would demonstrate America’s economic subjection to China, the “Caesar” to whom we would be paying tribute. Environmentally, the mercury and other pollution will drift back across the Atlantic to the Pacific Northwest. These are just two of the problems. So why is the Republican Party bending over backwards to join Peabody Coal and Goldman Sachs in trying to build the largest coal terminal on the continent in Whatcom County, and other terminals elsewhere in Washington and Oregon? What besides money, greed, and shortsightedness is behind conservatives’ obliviousness to the long-term dangers, both real and symbolic, of America’s bowing down to China with massive coal exports?

    The Stupid Party, indeed

  35. Azar Gat’s “War in Human Civilization” (page 75) shows about 25 examples of modern hunter-gather, pastoralist, and horticulturalist societies with persistently far more males than females, sometimes 60 percent more, including some in Europe up through the early Middle Ages. Archeological digs in sites from the Paleolithic era often find the same pattern.

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  36. Correction: Across the *Pacific*.

  37. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Thank you for an excellent article on what is happening. My only criticism is that it appears that these things “just happen”. With your insight and erudition, could you please address “why” the situation has arisen. What could be the motivation behind actions and policies which so clearly will destroy not only the 99% but also the basic wealth of the1%?
    This is not something new, but a recurrent theme in world affairs.

    “…Behind all the governments and the armies there was a big subterranean movement going on, engineered by very dangerous people.”

    “Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organised, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”
    – Woodrow Wilson, 28th President of the United States (1856-1924)

    “So you see, my dear Coningsby, that the world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes.” 
    – Benjamin Disraeli, British Prime Minister
    (1804-1881)
    President Franklin Delano Roosevelt wrote in November 1933 to Col. Edward House: “The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centres has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson.”
    Many thanks

  38. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    China will really take off when the Communist political dictatorship goes away. For China being a totalitarian state was a roadblock to growth and success.
    Thanks to the reforms that the Chinese implemented China succeeded where other Communist societies failed primarily the entire Soviet Bloc. And look At North Korea that did not do any reforms at all not the kind Khrushchev did or for that mater Brezhnev, Kosygin and Podgorny And how about Perestroika & glasnost of Gorbachev times.
    China did not participated in the arms race NATO & Warsaw Pact. And there are many differences between China and Soviet Union & the soviet satellite states of Eastern Europe. When Richard Nixon & Henry Kissinger
    open doors to China USA invested in these relationship heavily and China although a communist was viewed as an asset during the Cold War.The Cold War primarily was Soviet Bloc against NATO and the West. China never was a member of Warsaw Pact. The USA and west did not do
    The kind thing in the Soviet Bloc that it did in China. All the factories and Manufacturing facilities that were build in China with the western capitol & Know haw. The Universities and colleges across USA & western Europe Are loaded with Chinese students getting all kinds of degrees.
    By any chance did the Soviet Bloc during the cold war allowed its citizen To go to west in saturated numbers to get education and expertise What to Hell was The Berlin Wall for hardly any one was going to the West.

  39. mp says:

    “By the late 1970s, three decades of Communist central planning had managed to increase China’s production at a respectable rate but…often at a terrible cost:

    “Often” at a terrible cost? A “respectable” rate? This is obviously written by someone who knows little of Chinese history. By the end of the Cultural Revolution there was nothing respectable about China’s economic infrastructure, and the cost, in both human and infrastructure terms, from the GLF and CR was worse than terrible. I suggest Frank Dikötter’s recently published, “Mao’s Great Famine” as an antidote to Unz.

    “But we must maintain a proper sense of proportion. …the Chinese government has expressed intense interest in the emerging technology of non-polluting electric cars.”

    Electric cars will do nothing to cure Chinese pollution. To bring up electric cars shows that the author is enamored with liberal greenisms, and quite out of touch with the dynamics of large scale industrial development and the attendant pollution it creates. A trip to China will dispel such romantic thinking very quickly.

    “Although Chinese cities have negligible crime and are almost entirely free of the horrible slums found in many rapidly urbanizing Third World countries…”

    I wonder if the author has been to China? Crime is quite prevalent, but manifests differently than “inner city” American crime. Theft and murder are not uncommon. Drug use is not, since the penalty is death. Slums? Try the so-called “chocolate city” section of Guangzhou, where Africans live in relative squalor.

    One must be realistic about China. The government is not much more than an organized criminal enterprise, and sets the tone: as Mao said, “serve the people.” For example, last week’s arrest (for suspicion of murdering her UK business partner) of Gu Kailai, wife of recently ousted Chongqing party boss, Bo Xilai (who himself is implicated in a coup along with security chief Zhou Yongkang), is probably just the tip of the CCP criminal iceberg. God knows what these men are up to.

    On the other hand, the Chinese do not have a misguided doctrine of multiculturalism. The fact that they are mostly all Chinese cannot be discounted, inasmuch as diversity is mostly responsible for the fall of the U.S., whether anyone is willing to face up to it or not.

    • Replies: @nikto
    , @Anon
  40. JonF says:

    Re: Azar Gat’s “War in Human Civilization” (page 75) shows about 25 examples of modern hunter-gather, pastoralist, and horticulturalist societies with persistently far more males than females

    Not credible. There’s no mechanism for that result (assuming the human birth ratios are constant across all populations in all times). Probably the women (at least the young and high status ones) were to some extent kept secluded from the researchers.
    Or maybe ceredible in one limited case: if the clan in question had recently suffered defeat by it neighbors and some of its women had been kidnapped as a result (a la he rape of the Sabine women). But that would be a transient result that natural borth rates would eventually rectify.

    Re: I see more and more qualified and educated Americans coming to Australia

    In a country of 300 million you will find anything happening that does not violate the basic laws of nature. However there is zero evidence that the US is experiencing a large outflow of population.
    And why would (truly) educated people anyone need to emigrate to Australia? There’s no job shortage for people with good skills and experience; the jobs drought is for people without useful skills (which, yes, may include college graduates with fairly useless degress)

  41. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Excellent, excellent article by Unz.
    Acemoglu and Robinson “characterize China’s ruling elites as “extractive”—parasitic and corrupt—and predict that Chinese economic growth will soon falter and decline”
    China’s ruling elites!
    China’s ruling elites are extractive, parasitic & corrupt!

    Bwaaahaaahaaahaaaa

    What are Acemoglu and Robinson on? Crack? LSD? Crystal Meth?

    China’s ruling elites are frigging angels and saints compared to the monsters, maniacs and morons creating misery amidst colossal wealth (stolen by them) in the USA. The US elite is a parasite so bloated and stupid it is killing its host and maybe the rest of the planet too.

  42. traveler says:

    @Zhu Bajie,

    …”Europe offered nothing special before 1500 or so”….

    Ya right. The Greeks, the Romans, just footnotes?

  43. cortesar says:

    The heart of the matter is that the Chinese political elites is a way ahead of any western one in thinking, in action, in efficiency or any other realm that is significant to good governance

    But we place high hopes in Mitt and the trees that are just of the right height,his car elevator and above all in his unwavering principles and his integrity

  44. cortesar says:

    …”Europe offered nothing special before 1500 or so”….

    Ya right. The Greeks, the Romans, just footnotes?

    ——————————————————————————
    It did not offered anything between the fall of Roman empire and 1500
    This represents 1000 years lost in the darkest of dark ages under the heavy oppression of semitic sect which in not yet fully understood a fashion has succeeded in defeating the most powerful empire that ever existed replacing the ethos of action and conquest with the adoration of mediocrity and human failure

    Western renewal starts around 1500 with protestant revolution and Renaissance two out of 3 revolutions which were necessary to defeat the most powerful dogma that ever ruled the world,
    first one by virtue of dividing it and the second one by placing the man as measure of all things and renewing interest in classic Athens and Rome, art and science
    It would steel require Voltaire and 500 years before the infamy was crashed

    • Replies: @Sushi musashi
    , @Dule
  45. Well said.

    It gets little press, but John Maynard Keynes was a disciple of Malthus, who felt that demographics was the single most important factor in an economy.

    Under Mao the Chinese deliberately engineered a population explosion, which reduced the average Chinese to such dire poverty that even the communists nearly lost control. Only after the government switched to not forcing increases in the population did things get better.

    Before WWII, the Japanese government also had a policy of forcing population increases – and despite the fastest industrialization of any nation in history, by the eve of WWII Japan was on the verge of collapse. Only after the government stopped forcing population up did Japan become prosperous.

    Lately Singapore has imported record numbers of foreign workers – and wages have gone down and rents gone up.

    The Mexican oligarchs created a population explosion, even giving medals to women with large numbers of children, and now Mexico is on the verge of collapse. But Mexico created a record number of billionaires. Nothing is as profitable as cheap labor.

    Since 1970 the American elites have imported record numbers of foreign nationals to jack up the population. We are looking at reaching 500 million people by 2050, and passing a billion before the end of the century. This is by design. It WILL create poverty for the many, and profits for the few. It always has in the past.

  46. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The state of US politics can only be accurately described as self-destructive. The government’s hubris is bringing down the foundations of the economy, and it’s only a matter of time before we end up living in the ruins of a dead civilization.

    The basic fact that supports any capitalist system, is that increasing productivity will increase wealth, that is, real wealth. Huge military expenditures all towards the goal of keeping raw resources a little bit cheaper, and a financial structure increasingly designed to encourage making money from money, are absolutely insane. This is Ancient Rome all over again.

    The issues of energy and pollution are serious enough to threaten the global economy in the long-term, but the social system here doesn’t sufficiently support innovation to do much about them. How is America supposed to be competitive in the future if we don’t?

    For example, we’re not going to “run out” of oil any time soon, but when it comes primarily from tar sands and underwater drilling, it’s going to be tremendously expensive, and with more expensive energy, our standard of living will decline. Other common energy sources have the same problem. Common sense dictates that we innovate ahead of time. The possibility of resource substitution doesn’t happen by magic. But of course, that would require an conscious investment in that direction.

    And as for pollution, maybe high-speed rail and electric cars are part of a solution, maybe they’re not, as some commenters have suggested, but what’s definitely not a solution is not trying anything all. We need clean air and clean water, or else we’ll die. Our food sources do, too.

    And it’s not entirely obvious to people who don’t read about what makes China attractive for investment, but it’s not solely cheap labor. (In fact, Chinese labor is more expensive than in, say, India or Bangladesh. Not to mention that Chinese bureaucracy is not all that easy to deal with!) China has constructed highly attractive logistics systems, and has an increasingly educated and disciplined labor force. In America, we have infrastructure that’s becoming obsolete, and an education system that produces a lot of stupid citizens who have no idea how to create value. With the latter, it’s no wonder we have an “entitlement culture.”

    If this all doesn’t change, I’m not sticking around, waiting for this ship to sink.

  47. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Finally! A Conservative who tells the truth. Sir, you and Paul Craig Roberts are just the men to lead the GOP out of the wilderness and back to sanity.

    Your words coincide with the words of pissed off Progressives (such as myself) and the youth at OWS movements.

    We need more honesty from your side, such as Buddy Roehmer offered before the recent GOP primary devolved into the Clown Reality Show which avoided hard topics such as these you’ve addressed head on in “China’s Rise, America’s Fall”.

    If the GOP has no room for you, Mr. Unz, maybe you should join the Green Party or help concerned Americans from both sides start a new party. Just a thought.

    Your honesty is courageous. And I believe when the Neo-Cons and Oligarchs on the Right read your words, you’ll be in for a rough ride with Rush and Faux News. Stay the course. Stay true to what you have written here. Courage.

    Just this one piece you have written will move me to subscribe to your magazine, a first for me, subscribing to a magazine with the word “Conservative” in it.

    Teddy Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, Abraham Lincoln and Barry Goldwater would be proud of what you wrote, Sir. As would Martin Luther King, John F. Kennedy, and Franklin D. Roosevelt.

    Rock Trueblood

  48. jako says:

    @Zhu Bajie
    “He’s mistaken about the Euro peninsula. It should be Indian peninsula and Middle East, including Greece. Europe offered nothing special before 1500 or so.”

    How IGNORANT to say that! Greece is in EUROPE!
    And “Mediterranean world and its adjoining European peninsula” indikates on Romans and Greeks!

  49. Vickie says:

    Hopefully China will continue to improve and the people there get more freedom. However, the Tienanmen Square incident is not a small thing. I suspect the elites in China have no more respect for their people than ours do. Infanticide, forced abortion and summary execution are not policies to emulate. What the west has, the importance of the individual, the idea that the State is supposed to be subservient to a higher law are not ideas to trade away for a mess of pottage.

    I do agree, however with earlier commentators about American lack of discipline. Years ago, cutting through the Engineering School at Rutgers, I was struck that the vast majority of students were foreigners, mostly Asian. Americans at that time just went to school to party.

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  50. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    With her extractive elites America has taken a different path but has, ironically, arrived at the same terminus as the old Soviet Union: Too much economic power in the hands of too few.

  51. Steve Roth says: • Website

    I find it amazing what is not mentioned here: that the dynamic of extractive elites being described started its rapid upward trajectory at exactly the time that Reagan “conservative” policies came to dominate public policy discourse.

  52. To some extent, the relative decline of the US economically owes a good deal to idiotic levels of spending on “defence”. Trillions of dollars have been squandered over the past two or three decades.

  53. Kolya – – The Soviet Union spent far too much on “defence”. Putin has noted this fact as partly explaining the collapse of the USSR.

  54. Anonymous [AKA "swoosh"] says:

    When you don’t stand for your own principle, you have the US today.

  55. Matt says:

    The author has forgotten to mention race and diversity as a factor that ensures America will not rise again. China is an homogeneous country with no need of a parasitic diversity industry hovering overhead trying to enforce its ideas of what any given activity should ‘look like’. Chinese have an average intelligence above that of whites and are not saddled with untold millions of low IQ third world people hanging like a millstone round their necks. An entirely white America might have had half a chance of keeping pace with Chinese growth, but today’s America has no chance at all.

    • Replies: @lloyd
  56. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    “For most of the last 3,000 years, China together with the Mediterranean world and its adjoining European peninsula have constituted the two greatest world centers of technological and economic progress.”

    SHAME ON YOU!

    You are rewriting history in most shameful way. Civilisation started 7,000 years ago in modern day Iraq by people who spoke a language that the Rev. A.H. Sayce described as recognisable in modern Baghdad and Cairo. I leave the identity of these people to the smart reader to figure out.

    Civilisation would develop for thousands of years before slowly spreading out; as to the European Peninsula it didn’t have any civilisation worth speaking of until 2,500 years ago and even then it was right at the edge (nearer to Baghdad than Paris).

    When Rome fell after a 1,000 years civilisation had yet to cross the Rhine-Danube boundary. Places like Denmark was in the dark until about only a 1,000 years ago. At the same time the Islamic-Arabic world was richer, more advanced, more civilised than anything in Europe.

    As to China its civilisation started about 2,000 years ago with the Qin empire (pronounced ‘chin’ it gives the country its name) and followed by the Han empire (ethnic Chinese are called Han Chinese).

    The Europeans had a nice five-hundred years of supremacy; only 1/14th of human civilisation history. Even this small stint is coming to an end (see my blog http://appliedphilosophy.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/the-story-of-europe/).

  57. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Thanks – this piece is right on target, and revealed to me a good deal of economic chicanery of which I had previously been unaware.

    I would like to add to Unz’s list of things that distort democracy in America the most blatant and the least covered in the media: computerized election theft. Historically, election theft has been done one-vote-at-a-time, stuffing ballot boxes. But since 2002, computerized vote theft has gradually become institutionalized. There is a 5-10% shift – always toward the Republicans – in Federal elections across the nation. You can read more about how we can know this is true at http://blackboxvoting.org and http://electiondefensealliance.org .

  58. A. Aftab says:

    Calgacus, you’re right on the money with that comment of yours! A lot of wealthy Americans now live in Costa Rica, HK, Thailand and Malaysia and AUS/NZ. Donald Trump has been investing in Costa Rica very heavily…..and there are probably thousands of other billionaires doing the same.

    In case people here haven’t noticed, a lot of our super elites have been leaving the U.S. in droves, due to the disproportionally high taxes levied on them now. They are doing this because they are smarter than the rest of us. This started 5 years ago just before the housing crash. Probably has accelerated since 2010 where this article is from.

    Have a whiff folks:

    http://actionamerica.org/taxecon/ticktick.shtml

    And also these:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/16/us/more-us-children-of-immigrants-are-leaving-us.html?pagewanted=all

    http://rt.com/usa/news/leaving-us-america-country-289/

    It’s becoming a joke Calgacus…..you’re right some of these comments here seem to be absolutely retarded!

    A good reality check on the economic situation is to ask around your friends and relatives on whose making the big money now!…..The answer will be pretty obvious.

  59. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Even if China’s economy outgrows ours, it would have to be 4x as large as the US economy to match it’s per capita income. The Chinese know that they are running against the clock to modernize it’s economy. They’re nowhere near as energy efficient in their manufacturing processes and they are burning through their profits to build a big enough energy infrastructure to meet the economic growth needs. SinoPec is already partnered with ArAmCo and Exxon to build refineries in China which means those Western Companies are already raiding the Chinese treasure chest. GM and Walmart aren’t selling their products for free, either. In other words, China has been caught in the global economic web and they’re going to get played just like everybody else.

  60. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Why will 9 out of 10 of the people I send this to, not get the message? Why cant they notice the foundation below them is collapsing!? How can I help them learn? Who is John Galt?

  61. JonF – you might consider the logic of natural selection applied to a population where single men greatly outnumbered single women. If we assume today, and probably in hunter-gatherer societies, that women do/did a lot of choosing of the men who would father their children (not forgetting the theory that African women’s supposed promiscuity was good for countering the parasitic burden of life in Africa by thoroughly mixing the genes) then the quality of the population so far as determined by their genetic inheritance ought to increase. Women will choose the best potential providers for their family or simply choose those who appear to be smartest and strongest and most determined and, in any case, the result will be choosing, on average, fathers who will have smarter more productive progeny than those of the average male.

  62. Two questions.

    Does the US not suffer a serioius political Catch 22? You could clean up much of the excessive influence of money for campaigning and the targeting of self-interest simply to get people to bother to vote by adopting the compulsory voting which means that, in Australia, about 90 per cent of those eligible do vote. But what would it do to actual policy when you have such a high proportion of poorly educated and ethnically disaffected poor people with existing entitlements which cause resentment amongst what was once middle America?

    And here is an issue for serious empirical study. Why should a great concentration of wealth in the hands of the 1 per cent, or 5 per cent, or 0.1 per cent matter? It is perfectly clear that the very very rich don’t consume significantly more of anything scarce or particularly valuable unless one counts the economically painless transfer or Titians and Tintorettos from one billionaired to another before ending up in a public gallery. It is obviously not impossible for a large super-rich class to so indulge themselves in competitive display by building palatial residences, private airstrips and golf courses and so on, that their country’s economy is starved of attention and capital. But any suggestion that such a situation is to be found in the US needs to be demonstrated. It seems more likely that high taxes and regulatory burdens are adding so much to the cost of doing business in the US and even driving entrepreneurs to set up elsewhere, so that the owners of capital are not deploying it to the greatest advantage of US citizens. Yet that hypothesis doesn’t stand well with the number of Australian software entrepreneurs who leave a country where it is very easy and quick to start a business doesn’t have too punitive a tax regime to start or restart in California where public finances are such a threatening mess.

    If the US then is still a good place to deploy one’s capital in order to make a lot of money (and not do it entirely by Wall Street fiddles) and there are large concentrations of wealth which means large concentrations of investable capital what is the problem? Clearly it is what is being done to the average American of no special talent, intelligence, education or skill whose income is no longer supported by the advantages America had for many years after WW2 and is being suppressed by high immigration. To an outsider it is slightly less clear that the situation is made almost intolerable for the squeezed middle classes by tax burdens which are not fairly born by the very rich. It is perhaps a little more certain that the cost of living of the squeezed middle, including the absurdly high costs of health care, are inflated damagingly by the transfer payments to the under classes and elderly poor which don’t give much benefit to the working poor unless one puts a high value on the contribution of their state sales taxes to the keeping of aggressive or hopeless young males in prison…..

  63. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    China is not to blame for America’s decline, America has to face its own ghosts; the 15 trillion dollars debt, the unemployment,inequality,huge military spending,endless wars… that is what you have to confront.

    Blaming others for Americas decline is not the solution. Be A man america and pick yourself,learn from your mistakes and move on

  64. denk says:

    china is governed by engineers
    amerika is ruled by banksters, lawyers
    http://tinyurl.com/6n2f5ho

  65. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Amina:

    America needs to get the 100 trillion back. It needs a media (integrity in a mainstream vehicle and government) and law
    enforcement.

  66. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Another blogger jumping on the bandwagon. So easy to say using numbers without any understanding that numbers don’t rule the world – to the dismay of mathematicians everywhere.

    None of this takes into account that most of China’s population lives in poverty. And if our own “War on Poverty” taught us anything is that their poor will remain poor for a very long time. There’s also no consideration that China is [still] a Communist country. This experiment simply gained them a bypass in the militarization highway. They needed to up their might quicker. It doesn’t take into consideration that their 5,000yo culture doesn’t celebrate individuality -never has- and this means the creativity needed to push forth on the leaderboard is nonexistent. In fact, the most creative Chinese are those that come to the USA. You can’t lead by proxy.

    I am not amazed that the China-uber-allez belief is a conservative thing. Just by definition they cannot forecast the future. The future is full of X factors. X is at the core of America. Your insular perspective of what this nation is all about and what makes it tick make you the LAST ones who will decide where this country goes. I know you’re just dying to sell it to someone else before the price goes down. But you, and some of your commentors, have no idea the self-contained power America holds.

    PS: having lived in third world countries I can give you a warning if you’re thinking of moving to Costa Rica or similar places. The people there don’t like loaded-freeloaders. Most of your retirement will be spent on security. And just wait ’til you get your first emergency. Seriously, you’re going to be waiting a good while. America still has the best GOVERNMENTAL services in the WORLD. Ouch I said the “G” word. Little known secret: Libertarians don’t turn down fast rides to the hospital.

  67. Never was a piece written so needed to be read. We are a one party country. We are totally failed by our media for the “most” part. God how is Corzine walking around . Why did no one on MSNBC challenge Obama on pulling out of Iraq. The Democratic Party promised in 96 if they got control of both Houses of Congress they would end Iraq. Where are you MSNBC, Ed, Rachel, “Mathews forget Mathews he’s been in ther tank for either Party in the White House for years” and the loser on at 10 I can’t even remember his name.
    Then the Attorney General has he arrested anybody? His only claim to work is the ridiculous suit again Sheriff Arpaio. Holder is beyond doubt the worst AG in decades. Also finally again someone stated the wealth of the upper 1% compared to the bottom 95% . It is time to throw the bums out in both parties.Obama has got to go we need change even if it fails like him. We are in sad shape how many know friends working endless hours of over time not to be payed for it or hanging on not sure if their job will be there next Monday. It’s sad how did they ruined our Country. Buchanan is canned for his book, because it’s racist give me a break. Pathetic!!!

  68. JonF says:

    Re: Civilisation started 7,000 years ago in modern day Iraq by people who spoke a language that the Rev. A.H. Sayce described as recognisable in modern Baghdad and Cairo.

    Quibbles:
    Ancient Sumerian, which was totally unrelated to any modern language (except maybe at prehistoric remove), would not be recognized by anyone in Baghdad today. Ancient Egyptian might be recognized as something vaguely familiar by a modern Copt since the Coptic liturgy still uses a language descended from it.
    And if civilization means written language, organized govermment, organized religion, metallurgy, civic works etc. then it started a little over 5000 years ago (c. 3200BC) not 7000.

    James Guest,
    I have a certain healthy skepticism about genetic determinism in any guise, especvialkly since women are not always known for the sagacity of their choices in mates in our own era. And again, given that men and women are born in approximately equal numbers and that neither sex is more vulnerable to childhood illnesses than the other, the only mechanisms I can conceive of to produce a huge male-heavy gender imablance in a low-tech society would be if the society was subject to routine woman-stealing by outsiders. That’s possible, but I’m not sure you can find very good evidence for it.
    By the way, modern hunter-gatherer societies are suspect as stand-ins for the prehistoric sort. For one thing they are all subject to the influence of modern high-tech cultures around them, and the few that remain are under enormous deforming stress from the outside world.

  69. JonF – you seem to have forgotten that you posited that China would have and probably suffer from an imbalance in the sex ratio whereby there would be a lot of unmarried males because of the shortage of marriageable females so I am surprised at your now struggling to see how there could be a “gender imbalance in a low-tech society”. Even the lowest tech societies can manage infanticide when they don’t have access to X-rays and many did. But, anyway, the point was about China which we know has a great excess of males, partly exacerbated probably by the one child policy although also the product of a traditional preference for male children.

    My point about the possible improvement of the population by natural (or, if you think it more accurate, sexual) selection under such circumstances is hardly “genetic determinism”, that is unless you don’t think genetic inheritance has anything much to do with an individual’s intelligence, energy level or character and are therefore repudiating the idea that, for example, clever parents tend to have clever children. Even if, contrary to all human experience, you deny that females in conditions where they are not indulged as little princesses are going to attempt to mate with males who can provide well for her and her children, as well as defend them, and that it isn’t difficult in most societies to detect the most reliable indicia of such qualities, you might concede that the male who is cleverer and more energetic and determined than average is likely to be more successful in finding a woman to marry him than those who are below average. The result is the same. Logic suggests that an imbalance in the sexes should be conducive to the improvement of useful cognitive abilities and other qualities in the population. Can you cite facts which would trump that logic with evidence?

  70. JonF:

    “I have a certain healthy skepticism about genetic determinism in any guise, especially since women are not always known for the sagacity of their choices in mates in our own era.”

    Is this some sort of joke? What does this mean?

    Angel:

    “There’s also no consideration that China is [still] a Communist country.”

    No, it’s not, and it hasn’t been since the era of Deng Xiaoping in the 1980’s. The Chinese state spends a smaller percentage of GDP than almost any Western nation, 22% versus an average of ~40% in EU/US: some “communism.”

    “And if our own “War on Poverty” taught us anything is that their poor will remain poor for a very long time. ”

    These are two totally separate issues with two totally separate etiologies that really can’t be conflated with one another at all. American inner city poverty is the result of educational underachievement relative to the majority population whereas Chinese poverty is a simple lack of physical infrastructure: factories, mines, railroads, etc. The other East Asian states on China’s Pacific littoral such as Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macao, Singapore, et alia all managed to overcome that infrastructural shortfall in a few decades and I don’t see why China will be any exception. The last three decades of absolutely incredible Chinese growth don’t give any indication at all that China is an exception to the general East Asian trend.

    “I am not amazed that the China-uber-allez belief is a conservative thing. Just by definition they cannot forecast the future. The future is full of X factors. X is at the core of America.”

    Wow, what utterly meaningless babble. Never mind.

  71. JonF says:

    James Guest,

    I suppose I ought explain myself a bit more fully.
    First off, I do not believe in genetic determinism, at least not beyond the level of blue eyes, hemophilia and the like. We are not preprogrammed robots.

    By low-tech society I do not mean modern China. I don’t even mean ancient China, or Bronze Age Sumeria. I am speaking of hunter-gathrers or very simple agriculturalists. You say such people *might* pracrtice female infanrticide, but is there any evidence they did so, and secondly, why would they do so? Infanticide of infants born sickly or deformed– yes, I don’t doubt they would do that. But in primitive societies a healthy child, male or female, was a valuable resource for the family or band– just about the only resource in fact since, other than maybe dogs, they had no source of labor except human labor– and daughters could work just as hard as sons, if not at all the same tasks, but still at tasks crucial for survival. You really do not find women being devalued until you start seeing a economic surplus develop in societies and daughters become less useful for labor– and even for childbearing, as a population surplus develops as a result of agriculture. In very primitive groups however childbearing is a of numinous value (it’s debated when and how humans even learned how conception comes about) and women are to be valued for that reason above all else.
    So no, I do not see primitive societies developing a surplus of males, but to the contrary a (slight) surplus of females as the men were liable to killed in hunting mishaps or in some cases in violent confrontations with other peoples.
    Also, do not read back modern American mating customs on the distant past (or even the recent past). Young people, and especially young women, are not known for making wise choices about such things, and for much of history families did everything they could to steer their children toward more suitable matches than the emotional follies of youth might lead them to. So it would not have have been *women* making those choices, but families, perhaps the community as a whole. And yes, this may have produced good pairings, but again, beware genetic determinism. Surely a short history of any noble or royal family in historical times is proof against the notion that “great” men and women always produce “great” offspring. Regression to the mean (and sometimes to less than it) would seem to be the rule instead.

  72. Felipe says:

    Interesting comments from folks. As one who left the U.S. in dismay and disgust at the depths to which the George W. Bush administration dragged the U.S. and at his election (not re-election since he was not elected in 2000 but appointed by the Supreme Court) in 2004 and one who returned a year ago mostly due to the hope engendered by Obama’s election, I tend to be more optimistic about the U.S. but only if we are able to challenge the dark forces that keep the majority of U.S. voters in a state of ignorance and anxiety. The main challenge right now, as I see it, is to get a constitutional amendment passed that overturns the “Corporations are people, money is free speech” absurd court rulings as, if these are left to stand, will destroy the U.S. faster than a thermonuclear attack. The U.S. has overcome adversity before. We tend to solve problems pretty well when we know what they are and when we’re agreed upon what they are. Right now, folks are puzzled and confused about the way forward. And the small size of Obama’s successes are a testament not to failings on his part but to the appalling state of the system in which he’s forced to operate and the enormous power of forces much bigger than he is. We are ruled by unelected corporations whose Boards pre-select candidates from whom we elect ‘freely’. We are all responsbible for allowing the system to deteriorate this far and for allowing its continuation. But America has come through before … why all the doom and gloom now? As an aside, I agree with those who see our continuing and increasing diversity and large-scale immigration as our greatest strengths and these should be nurtured and treasured, not feared. Nobody ever moved forward from a position of fear. Fear can only lead us backward.

  73. Felipe:

    Funnily enough, Japan, Korea, Taiwan and and a score of European nations managed to build First World economies with negligible diversity. It’s also rather peculiar that the much less diverse “America” of decades past had a much stronger economy than does modern day America, or that non-diverse China is progressing economically much, much faster than insanely diverse India.

    It’s almost as if diversity is utterly and completely worthless. I wonder why that is…

  74. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    unbelievably superficial.

    the reason u. s . is failing democracy is because citizens do not participate.
    and what jefferson prophesied about bankers takeover is exactly accurate.

  75. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    This is one of the best all encompassing essays/ articles I’ve ever read. What I think we all need to see is that America is in super big trouble. No industry, no jobs, poor healthcare system made worse by Barrys super health plan which he has shoved down our throats. Our government is corrupt, heartless and self serving. They don’t care about the people they represent at all. And they’re completely, absolutely out of touch with American citizens. And guess what–we now face 6 months of obnoxious tv ads with barry and milt slamming each other instead of focusing on the issues. Worse, taxpayer money subsidizes some of their ads. And the corrupt senile Supreme court paved the way for unlimited spending and now these fossils are deciding the fate of the healthcare bill which doesn’t affect them at all, btw.

    Yes, America IS bankrupt. Ben keeps printing money. China holds the markers and loans us our own money to prop up our phony standard of living.

    We have ourselves to blame–Americans distract themselves with the most nonsensical, meaningless crap–celebrities, dwts, idol, biggest loser, pro sports, tabloid trash, stupid sitcoms. Oh yes, now the NFL draft—so important when many Americans are struggling to keep a roof over their heads. We have no attention span, nobody cares and we are totally asleep at the switch. Or heads buried in our iphones. All this time China has focused with laser like precision on becoming the worlds economic superpower and they have succeeded Other countries must laugh at us. We just don’t seem to want to save ourselves. Nobody cares.

    Okay a bit negative, and some of you may criticize me for it as is your right. But check this out…I am doing my part to help this country in a huge way having opened the only “Made IN USA” product store in Colorado and the Rocky Mountains. Business is slow still but we are hopeful that Americans will wake up and learn that buying American stuff will create many many jobs, etc. http://www.strictlyusa.com.
    Essentially I’m not getting rich—I am doing it for all of you. Really.

    I am confident with hard work and FOCUS on the job ahead, we can regain our country.

  76. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The question is “who are the extractive elite”?

  77. JonF says:

    China is not a homogenous country; it too has diversity, albeit mainly from peoples it has conquered over the centuries rather than through immigration.
    And when was the USA not diverse? Jim Crow did not mean black people did not exist, and in times past Italians, Irish, Slavs, etc. played the “foreigner” role that Hispanics are assigned today.

  78. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    I liked the side-bar on Vioxx (a drug I took [6/99 to 12/00] because my PCP recommended it; probably because the pharma rep “sold” it to her). I had TIAs, migraines (cradle cap and visual), and a few mini-strokes until 4/2005. I have to take aggrenox, clonazpam, and protonix (Merck) to prevent any left-over “issues” that Vioxx did to my CV system.
    I quickly read most of Mr. Unz’s main article. My takes from his article are: the oft-quoted “the enemy is us [sic], and we have met them.” and many scenes from Peter Seller’s last movie (Being There). IMHO, it was a brilliantly and painfully funny movie about just how “mad” this world is. I think two scenes early in the film mirror what Mr. Unz may be saying: 1) when Sellers leaves the old bow-front house and enters a street scene full of blacks, and 2) when he stops in front of a TV showroom at night (before the car backs into him). The in-store video-cam focuses on him; however, he cannot understand how he appears on all the TV sets. My take: we take no interest in others around us (even though it would be good for all of us in the long-run) and we ignore our own means to see through the lies, deceits, and hypocrisies.

  79. @libertarianjerry, “Over half of the American voting population are net tax consumers. Yet,if one becomes an entrepreneur,creates jobs,pays taxes and is successful then that person is vilified and condemned as an exploiter. The Cultural Marxists have done a good job of creating a climate of class warfare. ”

    you seem to have entirely missed the point of the article. Mr. Unz quite correctly points out the source of our economic and political difficulties is rent extraction by our elites:

    “The roots of our national decline will be found at the very top of our society, among the One Percent, or more likely the 0.1 percent.”

    Yet somehow you turn this into a condemnation of millions of working people who are merely trying to survive in the corrupt system created by the .01%.

  80. james says:

    We should learn from china’s achievement and try to compete with it. instead of try to contain it.
    We are more advance in technologies and innovations.
    We will achieve if our Gov. really want to do it.

  81. tito perdue says: • Website

    The US is likely to have a younger population structure than China

    Yes, but what will be the quality of all these younger people? Hispanics? Negroes? Liberals?

  82. Gil says:

    In what way will China become the #1 nation? By outgrowing the U.S. and Jpaan? Or by the economies of the U.S. and Japan tanking? Last time I looked the Chinese government is quick to pick winners in their economy, divert fund to exploring “Green” alternative technologies and, ultimately, suppressing criticism. In other words, China has moved from a Third-World nation to a Second-World. While the U.S. has moved from a First-World nation to a Second-Word. In other words, China’s economy is growing as the U.S. economy has fallen but whether China is becoming a First World nation is doubtful as the Chinese Government aren’t going to step aside and let the private sector do as they see fit. Hence China and the U.S. both intend to become Second-World: a nation of Fascists and Crony Capitalists. It’s not bad as being an outright Third World nation of famine and despotism but it sure as Hell ain’t free either.

  83. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “competent leaders with access to growing national wealth can effectively solve these sorts of major social problems.”

    Mr. Utz, are you suggesting that collectivist, top down solutions to problems caused by collectivist, top down policies are desirable? China’s economic growth is taking place despite the collectivist nature of the national government, not because of it.

    Maybe I’m misreading your article, but it seems you’re recommending some large tweaks to our current command economy rather than any turn away from government control.

    In my view, the very idea of “competent leaders” in a political system is absurd. Politics creates problems, not solutions. Allowing these “competent leaders” access to “national wealth” is a prescription for disaster, because wealth isn’t national, it’s personal, unless property rights do not exist, with all wealth being collective, under the control of a central government.

    Please explain what you mean.

    • Replies: @Alden
  84. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Absolutely brilliant essay, Mr. Unz. I write a column for our weekly alternative newspaper, and will be citing this frequently in coming weeks, in opposition to our local Americans For Prosperity (of the 1%) mouthpiece.

  85. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Good riddance, after all the trouble, genocide and wars, one ought to pay for the crass they caused.

    Respect for China.

  86. Alex says: • Website

    individual says:
    April 24, 2012 at 5:58 pm
    The question is “who are the extractive elite”?

    http://www.subvertednation.net
    see_the_truth.webs.com

    It’s obvious both our and China’s government is subverted by a foreign entity. The whole “they don’t care for their own” meme relies on people not actually searching the names of the driving force behind these civil disasters and doing some research to find a common theme with them all.

  87. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Meanwhile, the largest and longest Ponzi Scheme in world history, that of Bernie Madoff, had survived for decades under the very nose of the SEC, despite a long series of detailed warnings and complaints. The second largest such fraud, that of Allen R. Stanford, also bears the label “Made in the USA.”

    That is incorrect. The fraud at the Grays Building Society in England lasted even longer, being handed down over generations of perpetrators.

  88. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    From the CIA Factbook:

    China 91% “Han”, 9% Other (Korean, TIbetan, & 53 others comprising a total population of 105 million people)
    Languages: 7 major language groups (Jin, Wu, Yue, Min, Xiang, Hakka, Gan) comprising hundreds of dialects and sub-languages

    USA 80% White, 12% Black, 8% Other
    Languages: 82% English, 10% Spanish, 8% Other

    So it seems to me that the USA is only slightly more “diverse” than China in percentage terms when you spell things out in terms of Black and White. However, looking at the cultural variations and especially language, it becomes quite clear that the designation of “Han Chinese” is as meaningful or meaningless as the designation “White American.”

    I agree however that a nation unable to cope with its own diversity and the challenges it presents by discarding bigotry is doomed to failure.

  89. G Man says:

    Let’s See: There is democratic capitalism, socialist capitalism, communist capitalism. Is capitalism economics or politics? Does it matter in a global economy? The real forces in a globnal economy are plutocratic and autocratic, whether state or corporation. The real marketplace does not tolerate the slow moving politics of democracies or republics. Meet me in the CEO’s office and the Boardroom.

  90. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    One commenter wrote: “Hopefully China will continue to improve and the people there get more freedom. However, the Tienanmen Square incident is not a small thing.”

    The Tiananmen Square conflict has been widely distorted in the West. It should be noted that China’s prime minister Deng Xiaoping was forced to resign, and apparently was willing to do so, after having ordered the soldiers to clear the square from illegal occupation, leading to a death toll he had not intended.

    It should also be noted that some of the demonstration leaders did everything they could to provoke the army into attacking, so they could have a martyr cause to rally around. Initially the military had been highly positive toward the demonstrators, there are many pictures of videos of soldiers singing together with the demonstrators (not on the square itself, but those around the square, who tried to block the roads so the military couldn’t get through to the square), who were the same age as them. This was not discouraged by the officers, and so it went on for days. Until the demonstrators turned hostile.

    Before that, Deng Xiaoping had invited the leaders of the demonstrators to talk with him directly, which they did on national television. Imagine a U.S. president inviting “Occupy” protesters to sit down with him on television. Or Ron Paul-inspired demonstrators – it would never happen.

    Deng Xiaoping was the man who ended communist control of China. He had been forced into exile to the western outback, but returned after Mao’s death. He filled the Chinese government with other men who had been imprisoned or exiled by Mao. He changed the economy and saved the country from economic collapse, thus being responsible for saving hundreds of millions of people from poverty. And yet he resigned after Tiananmen Square.

    Note also how the demonstrations started. We only hear that the involved called for “democracy”. The truth: they were students who wanted more money and perks, like students always do. They started by attacking dorms with Third World students from Africa and elsewhere, dragging them out and beating them. They cheered Mao and demanded a return to his society, which they imagined was a way to get free money taken from those who did actual work. Typical leftist students.

    The distortion of the Tiananmen Square story perfectly illustrates Ron Unz’ point about the leftist media elite controlling the information flow. They loved China when it was communist, and made sure slogans such as “China out of Tibet” never got wide attention, focusing instead on “America out of Vietnam”. Now that China is Nationalist, they hate it for playing its own game, without being controlled by the globalist elite.

  91. Jasmine says: • Website

    The giant has awaken and he will swipe everything in his path

  92. http://www.wipo.int/export/sites/www/freepublications/en/intproperty/941/wipo_pub_941_2012.pdf

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12885271

    Ron,

    You might be interested to mention next time that China has overtaken the United States in patent filings, utility model patents, industrial design patents, trade mark filings, as well as scientific paper publications.

  93. Mark Green says: • Website

    Hi Ron. That was yet another outstanding overview and analysis. Well done!

    You have provided your readers a very nuanced view of the countless variables–some intangible, many virtually invisible–that propel a civilization forward, or even over a cliff. There’s much to contemplate here. Thank you!

  94. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What makes a state fall is well described in “the rise and decline of great powers” and it is related with spending money on misiles and the like. when a state or country begins to spend more money than the amount she gets in return for the expenses, she is doomed. perhaps america will retain much of her power but she is doomed as far as i understand.

  95. The US is an plutocracy, not a democracy.

    • Replies: @Robert Bruce
  96. B-Real says:

    A great analysis. The decline of the US and the rest of the west reminds me of the Fall of the Roman Empire, but I’ll have to a little bit more reading to back that up.

    And by the way: Remember to be a little bit proud every day of the way you are spending your money. Sites like this is increasingly important in the Age of Misinformation.

  97. conatus says:

    Wow! only four comments! This is an eye opening essay.
    Our elite are lawyers and they manipulate, China’s elite are engineers and they build things.
    Three trillion on Bush’s stupid wars(‘fought for completely irrational reasons”) and our non participating(no draft) populace quietly went along with the entire show!
    Why?
    Mr. Unz said, “And since we live in a entertainment-dominated society, sentiments affirmed on then screen often have direct real-world consequences.”
    Double Wow or bow-wow, great point!

    I also think we are encouraged NOT to participate in the Democratic process as that seems ‘angry.’ We are shown that in our entertainment.
    People who complain about the way-things-are-now are party p0opers and impolite. The first media approved reaction is to scoff and then shun them.
    I also think the only safe topic 0f conversation around the water cooler is sports. Again, no politics allowed, unless you are an approved victim. But generally the major league sports of baseball, football and basketball are THE only thing you can talk about publicly, on which you can safely agree. The racial divisions we have created with our blessed multiculturalism, have starkly different interests and the differences are too real in the workplace to discuss them so we all act like Putnam’s turtles and talk NFL training camp lingo.
    As long as our GDP increases one per cent a year and six-packs of beer are available for Joe Six-pack, everything will be fine, but if the increase turns to a decrease…watch out!

  98. “Sweden is among the cleanest societies in Europe, while Sicily is perhaps the most corrupt. But suppose a large clan of ruthless Sicilian Mafiosi moved to Sweden and somehow managed to gain control of its government. On a day-to-day basis, little would change, with Swedish traffic policemen and building inspectors performing their duties with the same sort of incorruptible efficiency as before, and I suspect that Sweden’s Transparency International rankings would scarcely decline. But meanwhile, a large fraction of Sweden’s accumulated national wealth might gradually be stolen and transferred to secret Cayman Islands bank accounts, or invested in Latin American drug cartels, and eventually the entire plundered economy would collapse.”

    It’s happening in Sweden, unfortunately.

    In Iceland, it already happened, over a very short span of time. But the Icelandic native populace literally ejected them corporally from the govt. buildings, and now the heads of the major banks have been criminally sentenced and imprisoned, Iceland has the only PM to have been criminally convicted in the financial crisis. Dire predictions by other mafiosi of economic meltdown as a consequence of the “too big to fail” going to jail have yet to materialise, Iceland is doing fine.

  99. Joe says:
    Wow! only four comments! This is an eye opening essay.
    —————————–

    Of course. Unz is a serious analyst who eschews cheap red meat bait re “the yellow peril”- the kind that builds easy comment counts elsewhere.
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    People who complain about the way-things-are-now are party p0opers and impolite. The first media approved reaction is to scoff and then shun them.

    ^^Indeed so on some counts, in some mainstream media and academia, unless the compaints are along approved liberal lines.
    —————————————–

    But generally the major league sports of baseball, football and basketball are THE only thing you can talk about publicly, on which you can safely agree. The racial divisions we have created with our blessed multiculturalism, have starkly different interests and the differences are too real in the workplace to discuss them so we all act like Putnam’s turtles and talk NFL training camp lingo.
    ——————————-

    ^Rather a stretch. No one has muzzled right wingers from speaking out, as the torrent of books, articles, blogs, tweets, web sites, talk radio venues and even Fox News reporting shows. Workplaces are/were never ideal places to discuss politics anyway- as workers who have offended their bosses on some political position can attest. Water cooler chat as a realistic metric is rather problematic. Also keep in mind that “racial divisions” were in place in America and prospering at a healthy clip long before the multi-culti fads of the 1980s and 1990s. Racial divisions have been in place since the start of US history- they are not something created recently. Actually they are somewhat less now than in the past.
    ———————————-

    RON UNZ says:
    But if so, then we must admit that Richard Lynn, a prominent British scholar, has been correct in predicting for a decade or longer that the global dominance of the European-derived peoples is rapidly drawing to its end and within the foreseeable future the torch of human progress and world leadership will inevitably pass into Chinese hands.

    Two points.
    Yes that global dominance is declining but this does not mean China automatically assumes the reins. In fact as your article itself points out, China has several structural weaknesses and demographic ones too. Then there is China’s reliance on trade with European/Euro-derived nations. If this collapses, so does a huge chunk of Chinese wealth and/or growth, particularly their export sector. European decline thus may also be accompanied by Chinese decline in the long run.

    Second, the torch of human progress is only one side of the coin. There are also the depths of human depravity and filth pioneered or expanded by Europeans- as Stalin’s Holodomor, Hitler’s Shoah, the destructive burdens of Marxism, the burgeoning child porn production of Europe, “gay” marriage, and other assorted evils in between. The era of fulsome European dominance produced 2 massively destructive world wars and countless other smaller conflicts in the 20th century. Backtrack before that and European hegemony has a very mixed record- new medicine for the natives in some places, but genocide too, and so on. The European record, like that of other peoples, is a mixed one that is hardly a beacon of human progress or “role model” of moral goodness when the total picture is looked at.

  100. RON UNZ ssid:
    “Given the American realities of the last dozen years, it is quite remarkable that the scholars who wrote a book entitled Why Nations Fail never glanced outside their own office windows.”

    ^Another excellent, unflinching analysis…

  101. nikto says: • Website
    @Zhu Bajie

    You’re correct. However, the dilapidated 19th century Greco-Roman myth of origin, especially the Roman part, is too dear to Anglo-Saxon education to be retired easily. Even those with clear eyes on current reality tend to make that mistake since it costs them little to do so; except perhaps in losing great sources of analogies.

    • Replies: @jbwilson24
    , @Alden
  102. nikto says: • Website
    @mp

    I suggest Frank Dikötter’s recently published, “Mao’s Great Famine” as an antidote to Unz.

    I suggest Rosling’s statistics as an antidote to politically bankrupt expat ideologues–i.e., Feng Ke, aka Frank Dikoetter.

    The fact that they are mostly all Chinese cannot be discounted, inasmuch as diversity is mostly responsible for the fall of the U.S., whether anyone is willing to face up to it or not.

    The Han nation isn’t Han, actually. Except in name. CCP knows this and has lately had to pay significantly more attention to its inherent diversity. You know, the people who had “always” been there. The main difference with the US is that China doesn’t have Anglo-German types like you who claim originality by having arrived a wee bit sooner to a violently depopulated continent.

    China’s uniformity is political in nature, not “racial” or cultural.

  103. The psychology department at Beijing Normal University has been openly teaching / discussing /
    London School authors like H J. Eysenck, Arthur Jensen, Richard Lynn, J. P. Rushton, et al.
    since the mid 1980’s. Discussions are low key and sober but with none of the hem hawing and
    mud throwing that would typify any such effort on the average American campus nowadays.
    “China’s rise and America’s fall” might just be a framework within which “the great taboo” would
    collapse within the US and the UK?

  104. Oldeguy says:

    A Thousand Thanks, Mr Unz. This article was an education in itself. Not for the first time you have caused me to let go of some of my old ideas. Bravo !

  105. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The evolution of societies: Hunting, .. Agricultural, industrial, service industrial, “informational (?)”. The US is at post-service industrial and the beginning of informational(?). There is no such “informational” society that ever exists in human history. The top 5% (?) of the intellectuals will take care themselves financially, the bottom ones will be taken care by a democracy government by shear number of votes. How about the middle ones? At the end, there will be no middle class theoretically by “pure” democracy voting system which ensures voting for your “wallets”. I am not optimistic.

  106. Randal says:

    Excellent piece.

    Some of the sources of Chinese success and American decay are not entirely mysterious. As it happens, the typical professional background of a member of China’s political elite is engineering; they were taught to build things. Meanwhile, a remarkable fraction of America’s political leadership class attended law school, where they were trained to argue effectively and to manipulate. Thus, we should not be greatly surprised that while China’s leaders tend to build, America’s leaders seem to prefer endless manipulation, whether of words, money, or people.

    Great stuff.

    It’s also noticeable that when China creates a “crisis” it’s by building new land, whereas the US creates crises by fomenting strife and bombing. Construction versus destruction seems to be a theme.

  107. Agent76 says:

    Aug 26, 2015 How the West Re-colonized China

    The “Chinese dragon” of the last two decades may be faltering but it is still hailed by many as an economic miracle. Far from a great advance for Chinese workers, however, it is the direct result of a consolidation of power in the hands of a small clique of powerful families, families that have actively collaborated with Western financial oligarchs.

  108. Anonymous [AKA "Low IQ fan of VVP"] says:

    Interesting that the map for China up at the top of the article is the map of the Qing Dynasty at its prime plus Korea.

  109. Hrw-500 says:

    China rises, but how long they could stay on top?
    Some said then China’s military had begun to patrol in Afghanistan.

    and one Youtube poster nicknamed Rob M pondered the following https://archive.is/imnc9 and I quote:“I say it’s Chinas turn to take over the never ending Afghan war. Russia had a go, the US had a go, now its Chinas turn to prove the PLA can actually do something other than read communist books and intimidate its own people.”

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  110. @Hrw-500

    If China’s leaders have any of that gaokao-tested intelligence, may they please minimize participation in this global assclownery.

  111. unseated says:
    @Anonymous

    It depends what you mean by civilization, but writing seems to have been developed essentially independently in China, Egypt, and Sumeria well before 2000 years ago. I would think that Chinese civilization could be traced back at least to the Shang Dynasty (~ 1600BCE). China had organized social structures – the usual definition of civilization – much earlier (as did the Middle East).

    • Replies: @Thirdeye
  112. Anonymous [AKA "nodomino"] says:
    @Rossbach

    Thailand has very stable population having benefited from the most successful non-coercive population control project anywhere starting back in the 1970’s. As a result, it has very low unemployment.

  113. Johann says:
    @Bob Arctor

    At least China will not finance the Islamic take over of the world in the manner that American elitists plan to do.

  114. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @platocrat

    Most people usually ignore those type of emails……………………

  115. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jamie

    America has become the most hated country on earth

    A lot of people trying desperately to enter ” the most hated country on earth ” !! Don’t know about too many people dying to live in China. Heck I bet 90%+ of Chinese citizens would prefer to live in USA . How many Americans would prefer to live in China ?? .0002% ??

    .I just hope China don’t act like the American criminal government wasting tax payers money on illegal wars baised on lies

    No need to hope . Look at Tibet , Xinyang . See the paradise of North Korea . Marvel at the Chinese claiming islands that are 20 miles from the Phillipine shore and having territorial disputes with all of their neighbors .

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @Pop Warner
  116. Thirdeye says:

    Adjusted for purchasing power, most Chinese in 1980 had an income 60–70 percent below that of the citizens in other major Third World countries such as Indonesia, Nigeria, Pakistan, and Kenya….

    Not a completely valid comparison, since a lot of the disbursement of economic benefits in pre-1978 China was based not on purchasing power but services and in-kind benefits doled out by the government. Politics substituted for currency. By 1978 the standard of living for most was low but relatively secure.

    China’s big challenge now is keeping its economic system free of the neoliberal cancer that infests the West. If they can do that, they should continue to thrive. If they allow their banking system to become the center of the wheel around which all other interests rotate, they could rot from the inside just the same way we are. I am somewhat optimistic for China because for them capitalism is a means to and end, focused on national goals and priorities. Our banking system has been manipulating national goals and priorities to the detriment of national interest for over a century.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  117. @anon

    Heck I bet 90%+ of Chinese citizens would prefer to live in USA .

    Incorrect. A substantial percentage might, and I’m not interested in arguing with you, but that is categorically untrue. There’s enough “nice things” unique to China and not found in the US such as the high speed transit system, proliferation of electronic currency, and general convenience that most citizens wish to stay. There are particular issues, especially property insecurity and the sense of cutthroat competition, which is a causing a specific class of citizens to wish to flee with capital, I agree.

    • Replies: @anon
  118. Thirdeye says:
    @unseated

    Wet rice farming was key to the development of Chinese civilization, as it was an enterprise that required a high degree of social organization. It can be traced to the Yangtze basin as far back as the fifth millennium BCE. Where wet rice farming spread, so did Sinitic culture.

  119. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Nevertheless its indisputable that a vanishingly small portion of Americans , certainly less than a fraction of 1% , would prefer to live in China…………………

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  120. @anon

    Of course. This situation may not endure forever, however, but to be fair, it is an alien culture no matter what so even if China economically advanced further and had better results overall, for example, to be like Japan, I would think that a lot of Americans would not wish to move there.

    Frankly, I don’t see how the West will be moving forward for much longer. The West has been stalling out really hard for the last two decades, and has a degree of waste that is astounding. The giant Chinese bureaucracy only consumes 22% of the country’s GDP, while most European nations average around 40%.

    This doesn’t seem to be getting fixed, even acknowledged.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  121. DanC says:

    Remember that the communist government of Mao was an anomaly, a historical blip in the 5,000 year history of Han Chinese civilazaton. The type of convulsion that occurs every few centuries until the shock is absorbed back into the equilibrium of China’s natural form of government and things return to “the way they have always been in the Middle Kingdom.”

    China has never been a democracy. It probably never will.

    Over the past few decades, China has bascially reverted, as it always does, to the form of government it has had for millenia: an authoritarian, centrally-governed bureaucracy with a figurehead called the Emperor, Chancellor, President, whatever, who presides over a central council that governs the provincial bureaucracies, appointing civil servants picked according to the examination system that is itself thousands of years old.

    China may be the original authoritarian meritocracy. It has lasted longer than the entire course of Western history, and the chattering academics who predict its coming demise based on their social & political theories du jour will be serenely ignored by the Chinese themselves.

  122. DanC says:

    > Economists Daron Acemoglu and James A. Robinson claim that:
    > America’s “inclusive” governing institutions have taken us from strength to strength. They argue that a country governed as a one-party state, without the free media or checks and balances of our own democratic system, cannot long prosper in the modern world.

    This blithering by academics who appear to live on a different planet really needs to be deconstructed point-by-point:

    1. The USA has been governed as a one-party state since at least the 1950s. Republicrats and Dempublicans? They all end up doing the same thing once they’re in. The few Quixotic types who actually try to do something different get squashed, a la Jimmy Carter, or worse, JFK, or Hale Boggs, or Mike Kelly, or Paul Wellstone . . .

    2. Free media? In the USA? Puhleeeeze . . .

    3. Checks? Balances? You mean like the stacked Supreme Court, the co-opted media, gerrymandered districts? You mean like government by executive order?

    Americans, and most of all American academics, really do live in a bubble of delusion.

    • Agree: dfordoom, Old fogey
  123. @Rossbach

    “the number of America’s inhabitants will have grown by almost 50 percent, a rate totally unprecedented in the developed world and actually greater than that found in numerous Third World countries such as Colombia, Algeria, Thailand, Mexico, or Indonesia.”

    You forgot about Sub Saharan Africa. At about a billion now soon to be two billion and eventually top out at four billion. That’s a lot of food and toilet paper to be consumed.

  124. Well well?
    China Communist country.
    Nobody likes China.
    Nobody does business with China.
    Hong Kong Capitalistic Island.
    Hong Kong belong to England Lease 100 years.
    Lease expires Hong Kong belongs to China.
    Hong Kong has access to business all over the world.
    Has an access to any request for quotes of any business in the world.
    Hong Kong Quotes cheep.
    Getting the contract Hong Kong tell China to make the product.
    China eager to get hard currency.
    China does everything needed to supply the product.
    China makes many factories because there is the market for products.
    China learns the business.
    China starts directly deal with customers.
    Many foreign companies start to build factories in China.
    Great success for China.

    • Troll: Daniel Chieh
  125. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Vickie

    Hopefully China will continue to improve and the people there get more freedom.

    As long as the Chinese don’t make the mistake of introducing democracy they have a bright future.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  126. @Thirdeye

    chinese govt knows this. it is why wallstreet tried to ask mr xi to open up their banks and financial markets when he visited usa few years back. I am pretty sure(not 100% on this) xi gave them the finger.

  127. @Daniel Chieh

    I am trying to make my comments as short as possible in order to take not too much space, and not to take too much time to read it. In my opinion these are precious. I am only writing the essence of my thoughts.
    Do you find this style of writing unacceptable?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  128. denk says:

    ‘America Has Been at War 93% of the Time – 222 out of 239 Years – Since 1776

    The U.S. Has Only Been At Peace For 21 Years Total Since Its Birth’

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-has-been-at-war-93-of-the-time-222-out-of-239-years-since-1776/5565946

    Wrong !

    Murkka has been at war 100 % since its birth !
    During those 21 ‘peaceful’ years, murkka was either busy playing war games with its ‘allies’ [ read lapdogs] or orchestrating coups, assasinations. !

  129. Anonymous [AKA "bluenose"] says:
    @libertarian jerry

    right on ! we need more writers like to spread the word. peace brings prosperity, not wars.

  130. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    My opinion is that paragraphs are a wonderful thing.

  131. @JonF

    When someone pays no federal income tax — and in fact gets “back” money that he never paid, though the Orwellian “refundable(sic) earned income tax credit”, for decades on end, it is little consolation that he is still paying federal payroll tax (FICA for social security, and Medicare tax).

    Would his FICA and Medicare taxes even offset the EITC subsidy?

    And even for people receiving nothing through EITC, how often do their paltry FICA and medicare taxes cover even their own basic retirement and seem decent portion of their children’s medical care? Rarely, if ever.

    It is indeed a grave budgetary and moral problem when a large portion of US residents (I won’t say “Americans”) pay no fed income tax, and the other fed taxes don’t nearly make up for it.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Sam 12123
    , @Biff
  132. @jsmith

    Most of those toyotas are at least assembled in the USA, but your basic point stands. Even when assembled here, which is welcome, foreign vehicles often contain a majority of parts manufactured in the home country (Japan and Germany and Korea for now, China soon enough).

    People need to have more loyalty to and solidarity with their supposed “fellow Americans.”

    Besides, as a practical matter, a cheaper foreign product isn’t so cheap when you cause your fellow American to lose his job and perhaps his whole career path. He and his family then end up on food stamps, Medicaid, and other programs funded by the dwindling number of taxpayers still working at goodpaying jobs.

  133. @dfordoom

    As long as they keep ruthlessly favoring kindred people of their own nation, they can have a bright future. Our nation, conversely, will not survive in anything like our current size, strength, and prosperity, at least not in the short run.

    And I mean nation, not “country”

  134. TG says:

    Interesting but missing something critical.

    When Mao first took over he engineered a massive population explosion. Honest economists like Ma Yinchu were purged (look him up on wikipedia) and the population soared and created so much poverty that even the communists worried that they could not keep control.

    In desperation they instituted the one-family one-child policy, and as the rate of population growth slowed down it became easier to accumulate per-capita wealth.

    It is an iron law of development that FIRST population growth moderates, THEN (if everything else goes halfway right) living standards rise.

    Even as a hangover is not generally ascribed to stopping drinking but too drinking too much the night before, the sometimes painful nature of the one-child policy was due to a government demanding that more people are always better and pushing to jam in more workers.

    Now it is the West that is demanding that populations be jacked up because more is always better (or perhaps because cheaper labor is always more profitable) – and as usual, that will eventually lead down not up.

    The greatest strength of America is that it had a modest population and abundant resources. And our elites are now throwing that legacy away, and once it’s gone, it’s never coming back.

  135. It’s a pretty sad state of affairs with American Character.

    Capitalism and individual rights brought forth the greatest wealth for the common man in human history.

    China, implementing market reforms (we won’t call it free market, but certainly in that direction, especially the special economic zones) grew with spectacular success. Ron did a great job in his article, focusing on data rather than rhetoric.

    Instead of improving ourselves, we see the politics of jealousy and envy with this tragically stupid policy of “containing China”. It isn’t limited to China of course – we seem to think that being able to bomb people in the present is what will secure ourselves in the future.

    Just look at the South China Sea: China is spending billions building artificial islands that will not only spur hydrocarbon development, but have outstanding prospects for international trans-shipment nodes like Singapore.

    What is the USA doing? It’s all about war, and we’re just a paper tiger at that. In ten years the Chinese will be extracting hydrocarbons and making bank with docking fees. They’ll have expensive hotels, high end hookers – the works. We’ll have produced nothing but hot air and more crushing debt that is funding transfer payments and bloated government programs.

    • Replies: @denk
  136. Mr. Unz, is it possible to have a permanent link function for a specific comment? Basically linking directly to a comment. It will make it possible for me to share some of the great comments on other forums or social media.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  137. Ron Unz says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Mr. Unz, is it possible to have a permanent link function for a specific comment? Basically linking directly to a comment. It will make it possible for me to share some of the great comments on other forums or social media.

    Sure, it’s actually very easy. The Date/Time line just above the body of a comment links directly to that comment. For example, here’s the one to yours: https://www.unz.com/runz/chinas-rise-americas-fall/#comment-1805308

    Also, if you open the Agree/Disagree popup window, it allows specific comments to be emailed or Tweeted out, though since I put it in long ago and I think few people use it, I’m not 100% it’s working.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  138. @Ron Unz

    Ahhh, just mousing over the timeline gives needed info for direct linking. Thanks. Copy link location over the timeline works wonders 🙂

  139. donut says:

    Excuse me Ron , this is OT but why can’t I “agree , disagree , LOL on this site ? God knows it would be better than having me comment . Can you help me with this minor problem ?

    [Just as the popup states, in order to use the Agree/Disagree/*** feature, you need to save your Email+Name by selecting the “Remember My Information” checkbox when you comment, and also publish a sufficient number of recent comments.]

    • Replies: @Seneca
  140. denk says:
    @Backwoods Bob

    The trouble with murkka is, their ‘elected’ leaders spend all their time in ruling the world, no time for the crumbling home front.

  141. donut says:

    Oh , thank you Ron . It’s just that this internet is so confusing to me . BTW I just LOL inappropriately at a comment of Steve’s which is kind of LOL in itself .

  142. @cortesar

    The adoption of Christianity did not lead to Rome’s decline…. it was Rome’s decline that lead to the need for Christianity.

    And don’t even get me started on voltaire. Yah… the smugly monopolistic and corrupted church did need the reformation to force it to get it’s act together, and the renaissance did open the European mind to a fuller variety of its faculties,but voltair was just a proto-prog. I’m guessing your one of those blame everything on the jews odinist/Nietzschean types…. but voltair is just as much a part of the Wests decline as Karl Marx or Franz boaz.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Sushi musashi
    , @dfordoom
  143. @Sushi musashi

    Wow… I just argued with a 5 year old comment… My bad. Stupid stupid stupid.

  144. In the 5 years since this article was originally written China has printed more money than the FED, ECB, and BOJ combined.

    Why do these China articles always only look at one side of the balance sheet? China may very well be the biggest debt bubble in the history of the world. At least Harry Dent thinks so and I’m inclined to agree with him.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  145. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Sushi musashi

    but voltair is just as much a part of the Wests decline as Karl Marx or Franz boaz.

    Very much so. The Enlightenment was a catastrophe for western civilisation.

  146. @interesting

    Provide source for the Chinese money printing comparison? I am very curious.

    • Replies: @interesting
  147. @Dave

    Yes, I recall something about Japan taking over the world in the 1980s. I haven’t turned Japanese.

    China has aborted itself out of existence. It is the society aging the fastest in the world.

    Asians don’t have the “zigzag in the brain” to do much. China has reached its peak and is in decline.

    (((Ron Unz))) is typical of his tribe who are marrying Asians and blacks.

    Caucasians/Europeans will continue to rule.

    • Replies: @TT
  148. Old fogey says:
    @Anonymous

    Excellent points, Anonymous.

  149. George says:

    If you want to see China as future world leader, go to the capital of Nigeria Abuja. China built a new railway there. Commuters in the capital of the most populous African nation will be traveling daily on a Chinese build and operated railroad. Should the same Nigerians ever travel to the US and say ride Amtrak to DC they will see more or less new Accela rolling stock on a completely decrepit and obsolete track system.

    While the US fails to solve problems in the ‘failed state belt’, China will likely succeed through modern logistics.

    Hybrid Warfare Scenarios: China and the Geopolitics of West Africa. “The Sahel Silk Road”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/hybrid-warfare-scenarios-china-and-the-geopolitics-of-west-africa-the-sahel-silk-road/5580482

    • Replies: @AnAnon
  150. Anonymous [AKA "Peter Grosse G"] says:

    China is not the enemy. It is Mexico and Muslims . Mexico must be destroyed first.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  151. Agent76 says:

    Oct 1, 2016 RISE OF CHINA – China’s Yuan / RMB Joins Elite Global Reserve Currency Club

    Currency’s entry into IMF basket a milestone in long march to international acceptance Renminbi joins U.S. dollar, euro, yen, and British pound in SDR basket Change represents important milestone for IMF, SDR, and China Move recognizes and reinforces China’s continuing reform progress.

    https://youtu.be/rflIS_J6WRw

  152. @Astuteobservor II

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-25/chart-day-how-chinas-stunning-15-trillion-new-liquidity-blew-bernankes-qe-out-water

    not the actual article where i read the claim of what i mentioned BUT pretty telling never the less……..and this was as of 2013, the printing presses haven’t slowed much. BUT they are printing as bad OR far worse than any other central bank AND going around the world and buying it up at (Canada, Australian, US, real-estate) $1,000,000+ over asking. Some just roll their eyes at articles from the hedge, that’s up to you.

    another example of the insanity……as China “takes over the world” LOL!!!

    http://www.cknw.com/2016/04/21/the-lynda-steele-show-7200-seconds-to-60-million-vancouvers-craziest-real-estate-deal-2/

    A pair of land parcels in Downtown Vancouver, valued at $16 million, that sold for $60 million – in an investor stampede that lasted a mere 7,200 seconds.

    But why pay so much, when the land was assessed by BC Assessment at $16 million?

    Young says the answer came a month later when that same land was flipped to another Chinese investor, Mr. Gao Shan, for $68 million.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  153. @interesting

    So, no source 🙁 damn, I was curious.

    About chinese buying up real estate in vancouver, it is nothing new and tells nothing.

    • Replies: @interesting
  154. China is sowing the seeds of their eventually decline. By focusing on material wealth, they will create entire generations of self-entitled children. This will increase the possibility of these deluded fools becoming part of the Communist Party apparatus. Once the oppressors stop oppressing, their economic miracle will stagnate and, like the USSR, the soldiers will be less likely to fire on the populace. When any oppressive ideology no longer has the will to power, the end is in sight.

    • Replies: @Robert Bruce
  155. @Astuteobservor II

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-26/chart-day-how-five-short-years-breakneck-liquification-china-humiliated-worlds-centr

    In other words, China has expanded its financial balance sheet by 50% more than the assets of all global central banks combined!

  156. @Anonymous

    Why the need to destroy Mexico? We can simply secure our border by building a wall across the whole length of our border, and stationing heavily armed-and-armored troops at frequent intervals across the whole length of the border.

    No need to harm Mexicans in Mexico, and we shouldn’t.

  157. FKA Max says:

    I would like to have Unz Review readers’ and commenters’ feedback on this development. Do you think, this is a good thing or a bad thing for China? It likely will boost average Chinese IQ, since males on average have slightly higher IQs, but could it also lead to social and political internal strife — which could possibly lead to a more expansionist/extractionist (in Africa) and aggressive Chinese foreign policy to distract from domestic inequities/problems — due to increasing mating/marriage competition among Chinese men and/or unmarried men becoming more easily politically radicalized, etc.?

    One-Child Policy Didn’t Give China Too Many Boys

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-02-03/one-child-policy-didn-t-give-china-too-many-boys

    Last week China released new census data showing that Chinese families favor sons over daughters. In 2014, according to the data, Chinese women gave birth to 115.9 boys for every 100 girls. (The natural human birth ratio is around 105 boys to every 100 girls.)
    […]
    But if China’s family planning policies didn’t create the gender imbalance, what did? Research suggests that China’s liberalizing economic reforms of the 1970s and 1980s — reforms that were initiated around the same time as the one-child policy — may be responsible, by providing Chinese women with the economic means to travel and pay for ultrasounds (and sex selective abortions). According to a 2014 study, women in China with high school educations (and, presumably, more earning power) were 7.4 percent more likely to have a boy as their second child than women with no formal schooling, while sex ratio imbalances were most pronounced in counties with the greatest growth in economic output.

    In other words, economic development seems to enable families to act on existing cultural biases.

    Another environmental factor associated with sociosexuality is imbalanced sex-ratio (Barber, 2008). —– For example, in societies where there are more men than women available for marriage, levels of sociosexuality tend to be lower. This would apply to China at the moment, where there is an oversupply of young males

    https://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-secret-in-your-eyes/#comment-1821795

    Is this the solution to the problem? But this would surely decrease Chinese average IQ in the long-term. Good for Africa and the World, but (maybe) bad for China?:

    Uganda is worried about the number of Chinese men marrying their women

    https://qz.com/857156/uganda-is-worried-about-the-number-of-chinese-men-marrying-their-women/

    “But we have many who are marrying and even producing… Even our Ugandan women are accepting to [reproduce] with these men,”an official from Uganda’s directorate of citizenship and immigration control told the committee.
    […]
    Annoyed during the briefing, Zhong Weidong, managing director of the company, told the panel, “China assists African countries to develop. If you don’t like, it can stop; we can stop.”

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  158. Anonymous [AKA "Pete the Poet"] says:

    A bullshit article full of establishment pseudo-academic Western assumptions about social reality. A bit of a laugh really seeing the current state of the degenerate Western empire. The assumptions include: (i) The superiority of the Western System with its so-called “Free Market”; (ii) The claimed superiority of “Inclusive Western Institutions”; (iii) The imagined “Separation of Powers”; (iv) The superiority of Democracy and the multi-party system; “The myth of the “Rule of Law” as existing above society and the lie that private property, linked to the ideological notion of human greed, is the only nexus for ALL civilizations; (eg., so-called Human Nature) All the above are mere assertions of a non-existent Western reality; the superiority of the “White Man’s Burden” whereby a handful of European/Anglo-American countries have a “Manifold Destiny” to rule the world, starting with the Spanish genocidal colonalization of the Americas. Followed by the blood soaked 300 year long colonial era of slavery and mass murder.
    Reality is somewhat different:
    So-called Democracy happened as an accident in late Medieval England when a syphilitic King (Henry VIII) stole a third of the best land in England from the Catholic Church and sold it to merchants to pay his bills, using the excuse of divorce. In the 19th century Imperial England filched the myth of Democracy from Ancient Greek tradition to justify their class based/racial Empire to their masses. Ancient Greece was not a Democracy but an ologopoly run by a tiny propertied elite based on slavery. Today two or ten political parties with the same economic system owned by a tiny elite (with absolute information/wealth hegemony) is hardly Democracy. A myth like the US slop that their Constitutional Republic was Democratic with its Electorial Colleges, denial of Negro equality (plus Native American) women, and a property qualification to vote. Not that the vote meant jackshite when real power is in the hands of private property mongols whose economic power is forged by inherited wealth. In like manner all the above assumptions are nonsense. Representation, free markets (meaning monopolies/cartels); the right to tell other nations what system to have; separation of powers, (separated from property laws?) In short the slightest depth of thought exposes all the above tripe for what it is. But think of the soft jobs in the System such academic arse kissing of elites means re position, pelth and place! What a crock and who do you think you’re kind are fooling?

  159. anon • Disclaimer says:

    China’s rise / America’s fall.

    Note that rising China has zero immigration while falling America has record high levels of immigration, especially from non-traditional sources.

    Could there be a connection? Hmmm..

  160. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The Chinese have always had a superior understanding of “spirituality” and like it or not “spirituality” has a substantial impact/influence on our physical reality.

    For example, the Chinese people(s) learned a very very long time ago that contradiction(s) … weakness/strength … dialectic(s) … weakness/strength … given enough time without intervention … without hostility and violence … will work itself/themselves out.

    The West has yet to learn this lesson.

  161. AnAnon says:
    @George

    Nigeria’s rail system is run by Chinese. DC’s rail system is run by Africans.

  162. FKA Max says:
    @FKA Max

    Some fascinating new insights, I was not aware of yet:

    Culture and policy explain why sex ratios are skewed in Asia

    http://asia.nikkei.com/Features/Too-many-men/Culture-and-policy-explain-why-sex-ratios-are-skewed-in-Asia?page=2

    China’s late registrations However, new research has found evidence that this same lax enforcement of the one-child policy may mean that China’s rural sex imbalance is not as pronounced as first thought. University of Kansas professor John James Kennedy found that rather than pointing solely to lost females — either as a result of abortion or infanticide — many of the missing girls may simply not have been officially registered at birth.
    […]
    The registration surges can be seen in the marked declines (toward balance) in the sex ratio for children around age 10 in China and India. This is the age where children often move from local schools, where registration is often not required, to larger schools where official status is needed. Another jump is visible around age 20 in China, when many women in rural areas marry.

    But regardless of late registrations, China and India both still exhibit highly male-skewed child sex ratios today, with only muted signs of a rebalancing.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  163. FKA Max says:
    @FKA Max

    Asia’s gender imbalance is bad news for growth
    From a lack of brides to economic efficiency, why too many men can mean trouble
    http://asia.nikkei.com/Features/Too-many-men/Asia-s-gender-imbalance-is-bad-news-for-growth?page=2

    Recent data suggests the male surplus is smaller than has long been thought because, researchers argue, many parents did not register the birth of daughters. But trafficking cases suggest that Chinese men face a real difficulty in getting married. The number of births in China increased by 1.31 million, or 7.9%, in 2016 from the previous year, but the imbalance in the marrying age will continue for many years.
    […]
    This male-heavy gender imbalance is not seen in some emerging nations, such as Thailand, Indonesia and the Philippines, partly because these countries have matriarchal cultures. However, the demographic changes in India, China and Vietnam, which account for about 60% of Asia’s population, have a big impact on the rest of the region.
    […]
    It is difficult to change the deeply ingrained cultural preference for sons. But as India’s Motherson Sumi, Bikxie and Sheroes show, there are steps private sector can take to address the imbalance and help women achieve higher earning power.

    The public sector should continue its efforts to crack down on prenatal sex-selections, according to Suzuki of the National Institute of Population and Social Security Research. He also points to the need for better social safety nets, as many parents currently have sons as a form of “social security” for the future. “If parents could live on a public pension, they wouldn’t conduct sex-selective abortions, so we can say imbalances would naturally disappear by introducing enough social security protection,” he said.

  164. China needs to appreciate that the Zionated States of America is planning a war with China. This cannot be avoided by China no matter what it does and it must react accordingly. The same applies to Russia and Iran. Any concession or attempt to negotiate will just be interpreted as weakness and encourage further aggression.

  165. @jsmith

    For just under half my life (I am 49),I have worked for logistics groups that handle the delivery of Ford Motor Co car/truck parts to their different dealerships in whatever areas my employers had covered. It would surprise you that over 90% of car/truck parts in Ford vehicles are made in practically every region on the globe. Only a few parts are actually 100% American made, with many other parts just having components made in the US, with the bulk of the part made overseas. In short, my point is that there really isn’t an American made car out there. Everything has been outsourced up the wazoo. To skirt unions, the multinationals went overseas. I doubt they want to come back!!!!!!!!

  166. @Anonymous White Male

    It is far easier in China to start your own personal business up than in the US. Your entire post could be made about present day America. Chinese kids are hustling, while our college kids are partying way too much and care more about protesting about “woke” issues.

  167. @Robert Anderson

    You have that right Rob!!!!!!!!!

  168. China is proof that American expertise can change a large country from extreme poverty to unbelievable wealth by practicing free enterprise ( which is what China in reality has practiced in the last 30 years) and anybody that has visited China will confirm; this combined by an American government that has no idea how wealth is created,and the pursuit of wealth of our politicians without giving a damn about the country, shipped our industries to China, while at the same time saddling American manufacturing with myriads of ridiculous regulations , increasing the cost for American companies, and in de facto, giving advantages to the free wheeling Chinese companies.

    China today is a product of American stupidity.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Lo
  169. @JonF

    Any government worker that “pays taxes” is really a person who gets tax money to begin with, so in reality he or she does not “pay”taxes, the reality is that the net pay is taxes. Furthermore they get ridiculous pensions (compared to social security) which adds to the tax burden.

  170. TG says:

    MALTHUS WAS RIGHT.

    He’s always been right.

    He never predicted a global catastrophe. he only pointed out that if the elites force population growth upwards, it will drive wages down for the many and rents and profits up for the few. Duh.

    One is reminded that when Mao took power, he initially insisted that the Chinese all have seven kids a pop in order to achieve “strength through numbers.” That very nearly tore the country apart. The one-family one-child policy was a reaction against the previous one-family-seven-kids policy.

    It is an iron law of development, that for countries without an open frontier, FIRST a countries population is allowed to stabilize or grow slowly, THEN, and ONLY THEN, if everything else goes right, people can slowly accumulate per capita wealth.

    But the rich want cheap labor, so they have spread the lie that people trying to have more children than they can support are guaranteed to produce prosperity. Hah.

  171. I came to this site because of Ron Unz. the man is strong intellectually. I am envious.
    I will bat with this contribution for some days, a week or so to absorb it. it appears very useful indeed..and timely.
    a lot more of this from positive western intellectuals may help avert war, help the west to accept its failure, circle up its wagons, deal with western social problem…socialist-democratic social reorganization perhaps, changing the western flow, so the west can come again in the world, in multi-polarity and nationalist but cooperative success: no more war?

    • Replies: @Lo
  172. Patricus says:
    @JonF

    A few years ago I read an economist’s article (in The Economist paper) where he attempted to figure out how much taxes were paid by rich, middle and poor citizens. It is enormously complicated because every product we consume includes taxes in the cost. There are federal, state, local, tariffs and countless other taxes. He estimated the lower 20%, who have about 3% of national income, pay 2% of the taxes. The system is progressive but only slightly so. Those who only cite federal income taxes are at best disingenuous. Mitt Romney shot himself in the foot with that one.

  173. Lo says:
    @Common sense Joe

    practicing free enterprise ( which is what China in reality has practiced in the last 30 years)

    No. Chinese economic system is not a free market. It is a Fascist economy. No one wants to admit it because of WW2 and the fact that Fascists lost the war.

  174. Lo says:
    @ben sampson

    a lot more of this from positive western intellectuals may help avert war, help the west to accept its failure, circle up its wagons, deal with western social problem…

    You are assuming parasitic elites are not aware of issues they are causing, and that they are not aware of war threat. They do. They just don’t care. War is good for business, good for culling the population, good for silencing local opposition… They are neither British aristocrats nor Japanese nobles, they don’t fight the wars they start, they let others fight them.

  175. George says:

    Michael Kinsley. “The scandal isn’t what’s illegal, the scandal is what’s legal” was written by Kinsley in June 1986, in a story about Wall Street insider trading.

  176. I would like to see Mr. Unz write an update to this article since so much has happened in the last 7 years. We now have bitcoin, Trump, trade wars, and even further decline in our American society.

    The decline in our young people is heartbreaking. Where I live there are hundreds of young people wandering the streets in drugged up haze. Our young people are dying and there is an increase in suicide. A lady at work told me she is on “Obama’s program” for her student loan, where she pays her $40 a month for 20 years and then the balance is written off. She said the payment would be about $500 a month otherwise. How is that a good way to live? Did they tell her that once the balance is wiped off after 20 years, the balance may be considered income and the IRS will tax her? Not sure if they are still doing that, but it’s doubtful after having the loan “wiped off” it will not continue to impact their lives.

  177. JHW says:

    Why do you hesitate? The state is illegitimate, plunderers are in control, the parties are owned by the plunderers, and democracy as we know it has failed. It is past time to call a spade a spade. The public will avoid acknowledging all of this until they are sufficiently hurt by it. Until then they will only whistle past the graveyard hoping the spooks will not choose them.

    Until someone with organizational capability can organize the resentful against the government successfully and in support of a policy which will be constructive nothing is going to change. Analysis of decay is fine but increasingly irrelevant. Those who want to know, know; those who do not will not.

    We need effective calls to action which will be supported and acted upon. It is really time to demand action which will mostly have to come from outside the current system and be organized in a way which cannot be easily suppressed. This will require real talent. Show us some of it.

  178. Eighthman says:

    I’d like to read an indepth analysis of the problem of loss of purpose in life and societal goals.

    I fear that the West/US will see a wave of suicide like never before as people lose interest in the challenge of living together with a decline in religious influence. I think Japan is already well down this road. Add on drug use, video games,and internet porn and societies just fade away.

  179. BobRed says:
    @jsmith

    https://www.unz.com/runz/chinas-rise-americas-fall/#comment-595364

    “…I have a 5 year plan to get out of this doomed country while the getting out is still good!…”

    Hows that working out for ya?

  180. Ron Unz has the unusual ability to see two sides of an argument. This is vital if mankind is ever to break the pattern of history. People incorrectly think wars are fought over ideas or values: they are not, they are fought over power. Power (manifested as interest) has been present in every conflict of the past – no exception. During the Thirty Years war the French Bourbons and Spanish Habsburgs, the two big catholic dynasties in Europe, fought on opposing sides. That war was supposed to be about religion: it was about power. After the Treaty of Westphalia France became the main European hegemon. Prussia rose from a small state, to dominate Europe in the 19th century, after the Franco-Prussian war in 1871. To reverse its defeat, republican pluralist France allied itself with the autocratic monarchy of Russia, where to sing la Marseillaise was an act of subversion. This alliance, based on interests, was a factor leading to World War I. The alliance system was similar in World War II: the USSR, after a short dalliance with Berlin, allied with the West to defeat Germany: once again interest. Interest cuts across all apparently unifying principles: family, kin, nation, religion, ideology, politics – everything. We unite with the enemies of our principles, because that is what serves our interest. It is power, not any of the above concepts, that is the cause of war. And it has eventually brought every empire/civilization to its own destruction. Can we avoid world war III? Only if nations can learn the lesson of history, or take Ron Unz’s advice.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

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  181. Totally brilliant article.
    It is must read for everyone.
    Concerning predictions, this will continue until living standard in China will be nearing living standard in US. (International communism.)
    Than the true competition will start.
    In my opinion US will be starting winning again!
    After all progress in China was buttressed by American consumers.

    • Replies: @ben sampson
  182. Miro23 says:

    It’s interesting to look at this article 8 years forward and check on US/China trends.

    The conclusion has to be that they’re continuing – with the US showing some serious signs of economic stress.

    In a recently published book, Why Nations Fail, economists Daron Acemoglu and James A. Robinson characterize China’s ruling elites as “extractive”—parasitic and corrupt—and predict that Chinese economic growth will soon falter and decline, while America’s “inclusive” governing institutions have taken us from strength to strength.

    Just propaganda for which they were celebrated and well paid.

    World Bank report recently highlighted the huge drop in global poverty rates from 1980 to 2008, but critics noted that over 100 percent of that decline came from China alone: the number of Chinese living in dire poverty fell by a remarkable 662 million..

    This really is a remarkable statistic but it wasn’t just the opening of China under Deng, Chinese nationalism , unity and the influence of Lee Kuan Yew. It was also the advent of digitalization, the internet, and the desire (and ability) of Western corporations to relocate their manufacturing and supply networks to low cost Asia.

    CHINA

    However, some high-tech China exports are indeed fully Chinese, notably those of Huawei, which now ranks alongside Sweden’s Ericsson as one of the world’s two leading telecommunications manufacturers

    This probably accounts for current US hostility towards Huawei. China was supposed to remain a plantation of low cost coolies, however they’re now displacing companies like Apple (same product lower price).

    Meanwhile, as China’s growth gradually doubles total world industrial production, the resulting “China price” reduces the cost of manufactured goods, making them much more easily affordable to everyone, and thereby greatly increases the global standard of living.

    True, but a lot of skilled better paid work has been removed from the West. There’s a limit to the wealth that can be generated by a service economy.

    Germany, whose advanced equipment and machine tools have found a huge Chinese market, thereby helping to reduce German unemployment to the lowest level in 20 years.

    The assumption here is that China will climb the technology curve as they trying to do with aerospace. The Germans, intelligently, are not so willing to part with their technology.

    And as ordinary Chinese grow wealthier, they provide a larger market as well for the goods and services of leading Western companies, ranging from fast-food chains to consumer products to luxury goods. Chinese workers not only assemble Apple’s iPhones and iPads, but are also very eager to purchase them.

    More Huawei than Apple now, but good for top luxury Italian and French brands.

    Similarly, plutocrats who grow rich through friends in high places or even outright corruption are easier to tolerate when a rising tide is rapidly lifting all boats. Ordinary Chinese workers have increased their real income by well over 1,000 percent in recent decades, while the corresponding figure for most American workers has been close to zero.

    Not surprising if US manufacturing has gone to China and open frontiers immigration push lower skills US workers towards minimum wage.

    But over the last couple of years, the government has taken major steps to reduce this problem by establishing a national healthcare insurance system whose coverage now extends to 95 percent or so of the total population, a far better ratio than is found in wealthy America and at a tiny fraction of the cost.

    US healthcare still the worst value in the world + incomplete coverage.

    All of this follows the pattern of Lee Kwan Yew’s mixed-development model, combining state socialism and free enterprise, which raised Singapore’s people from the desperate, abject poverty of 1945 to a standard of living now considerably higher than that of most Europeans or Americans, including a per capita GDP almost $12,000 above that of the United States.

    LKW took great advantage of the great Western outsourcing boom with an intense focus on education and developing skills.

    USA

    A recent study revealed that during our supposed recovery of the last couple of years, 93 percent of the total increase in national income went to the top 1 percent, with an astonishing 37 percent being captured by just the wealthiest 0.01 percent of the population, 15,000 households in a nation of well over 300 million people.

    Key mechanisms here are probably the bubble to burst to QE cycles + corporate outsourcing profits + subverting politics to develop their monopolies.

    According to research from the Pew Center, barely half of 18- to 24-year-old Americans are currently employed, the lowest level since 1948, a time long before most women had joined the labor force. Nearly one-fifth of young men age 25–34 are still living with their parents, while the wealth of all households headed by those younger than 35 is 68 percent lower today than it was in 1984.

    These 18 – 24 year olds are now 26 – 32 and it would be interesting to know what they are doing.

    The total outstanding amount of non-dischargeable student-loan debt has crossed the trillion-dollar mark, now surpassing the combined total of credit-card and auto-loan debt—and with a quarter of all student-loan payers now delinquent,

    For many years now our largest goods export has been government IOUs, whose dollar value has sometimes been greater than that of the next ten categories combined. At some point, perhaps sooner than we think, the rest of the world will lose its appetite for this non-functional product, and our currency will collapse, together with our standard of living. Similar Cassandra-like warnings were issued for years about the housing bubble or the profligacy of the Greek government, and were proven false year after year until one day they suddenly became true.

    Agreed that this could be quite sudden. When loss of confidence starts it tends to accelerate. That’s how it went with DMark bonds and the DMark itself in Weimar. In this event the Chinese stop accepting dollars for their goods = stop supplying goods to the US.

    China’s population in 2050 will be almost exactly what it was in 2000, with the country having achieved the population stability typical of advanced, prosperous societies. But during that same half-century, the number of America’s inhabitants will have grown by almost 50 percent, a rate totally unprecedented in the developed world and actually greater than that found in numerous Third World countries such as Colombia, Algeria, Thailand, Mexico, or Indonesia.

    This doesn’t seem to be doing any harm to China. In fact it raises wages/standard of living.

    American politicians and pundits are naturally fearful of taking on the fierce special interest groups that dominate their political universe, so they often seek an external scapegoat to explicate the misery of their constituents, sometimes choosing to focus on China. But this is merely political theater for the ignorant and the gullible.

    Agreed.

    The harsh violations of constitutional principles and civil liberties which Bush pioneered following the 9/11 attacks have only further intensified under Obama, the heralded Harvard constitutional scholar and ardent civil libertarian, and this has occurred without the excuse of any major new terrorist attacks.

    This hasn’t been reversed – in fact it is intensifying with “hate speech ” laws etc.

    During his Democratic primary campaign, Obama promised that he would move to end Bush’s futile Iraq War immediately upon taking office, but instead large American forces remained in place for years until heavy pressure from the Iraqi government finally forced their removal; meanwhile, America’s occupation army in Afghanistan actually tripled in size.

    The US is still in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    The government bailout of the hated financial manipulators of Wall Street, begun under Bush, continued apace under Obama, with no serious attempts at either government prosecution or drastic reform.

    No change here. The QE bailout money makes its way into Wall St speculation. Including the current Coronavirus $ 1.2 trillion (QE4).

    But if our government policies are so broadly unpopular, why are we unable to change them through the sacred power of the vote? The answer is that America’s system of government has increasingly morphed from being a representative democracy to becoming something closer to a mixture of plutocracy and mediacracy, with elections almost entirely determined by money and media, not necessarily in that order. Political leaders are made or broken depending on whether they receive the cash and visibility needed to win office.

    Yes. The plutocracy and MSM select a crowd of front men.

    Economics Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz and his colleagues have conservatively estimated the total long-term cost of our disastrous Iraq War at $3 trillion, representing over one-fifth of our entire accumulated national debt, or almost $30,000 per American household.

    That’s 15 times the cost of a high speed rail network for the US (15 x $200 billion) or maybe just 7 times the cost if high speed rail networks are twice as expensive to build in the US as they are in China. Alternatively the US could have had a complete new national health service with all new hospitals, equipment and national coverage (healthcare for everyone at half the cost).

    When parasitic elites govern a society along “extractive” lines, a central feature is the massive upward flow of extracted wealth, regardless of any contrary laws or regulations. Certainly America has experienced an enormous growth of officially tolerated corruption as our political system has increasingly consolidated into a one-party state controlled by a unified media-plutocracy.

    This is the Congressional crowd of puppets that gave Netanyahu 28 standing ovations in 47 minutes.

    However, although American micro-corruption is rare, we seem to suffer from appalling levels of macro-corruption, situations in which our various ruling elites squander or misappropriate tens or even hundreds of billions of dollars of our national wealth, sometimes doing so just barely on one side of technical legality and sometimes on the other.

    What Sam Walton in his biography called “Looting from the top”.

    Sweden is among the cleanest societies in Europe, while Sicily is perhaps the most corrupt. But suppose a large clan of ruthless Sicilian Mafiosi moved to Sweden and somehow managed to gain control of its government. On a day-to-day basis, little would change, with Swedish traffic policemen and building inspectors performing their duties with the same sort of incorruptible efficiency as before, and I suspect that Sweden’s Transparency International rankings would scarcely decline. But meanwhile, a large fraction of Sweden’s accumulated national wealth might gradually be stolen and transferred to secret Cayman Islands bank accounts, or invested in Latin American drug cartels, and eventually the entire plundered economy would collapse.

    They can gain control of government if it’s weak and divided. IOW it’s an opportunistic infection. Example Russia under Yeltsin in the post-Soviet chaos.

    Ordinary Americans who work hard and seek to earn an honest living for themselves and their families appear to be suffering the ill effects of exactly this same sort of elite-driven economic pillage. The roots of our national decline will be found at the very top of our society, among the One Percent, or more likely the 0.1 percent.

    Agreed. It’s a corrupt aristocracy with its own rules.

    Perhaps Americans really do prefer that their broadcasters provide Happy News and that their political campaigns constitute amusing reality shows. Certainly the cheering coliseum crowds of the Roman Empire favored their bread and circuses over the difficult and dangerous tasks that their ancestors had undertaken during Rome’s rise to world greatness.

    Agreed that the US is well into the bread and circus stage of Empire. If it follows the example of Imperial Rome, they get disastrous wars, a worthless currency and social collapse.

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  183. Impressive perspicacity and analytical skills.

  184. @Miro23

    I am sorry but I respectfully disagree. Rome was never a nation it was only a city established by not very numerous Latin tribe. Eventually from onset due to organization capabilities and particularly by creating standing army the power of the city did grow very rapidly. But that was not followed by population growth. All vacancies in Rome were replaced by emigrants.
    US from beginning was a monolithic English speaking nation. It still is but emigration is danger for US
    that eventually will follow the pattern of Rome. The blacks Mexicans and Jews are creating their own nations within US.

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  185. Anonymous[432] • Disclaimer says:
    @JonF

    It’s very amusing to see how embarrassingly wrong this take was 8 years later.

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  186. Miro23 says:
    @Zarathustra

    I am sorry but I respectfully disagree. Rome was never a nation it was only a city established by not very numerous Latin tribe. Eventually from onset due to organization capabilities and particularly by creating standing army the power of the city did grow very rapidly. But that was not followed by population growth. All vacancies in Rome were replaced by emigrants.
    US from beginning was a monolithic English speaking nation. It still is but emigration is danger for US.

    Empire is a home state (and ethnicity) extending its rule over many different ethnicities and countries (i.e. one tribe dominating a variety of others).

    The Roman Empire was created over centuries through annual military campaigns (required of leaders). They conferred high status (when successful) plus rents from the new territories. The professional core of the legions was Italian (not just from Rome) and the legions were a lifetime commitment with a land grant (for example in Mediterranean north Africa) from the state on retirement. Auxiliaries came from different peoples within the Empire. All of this weakened later.

    US and Russian imperial projects also built up Empires in traditional way in the 18th & 19th centuries – Russia in Asia and the US by extending south and west into Spanish and Indian territory (both with settlers).

    The unusual aspect of the 20th century (with WW1 and WW2) was the extension of both the US and Russian Empires into Europe, meeting at the Iron Curtain – which happened to split Germany into a western half (US Empire) and eastern half (Soviet Russian Empire).

    Imperialist have the general problem of dealing with the locals. The Roman Empire probably lasted as long as it did because it offered them a good deal. In return for taxation, the Empire provided excellent infrastructure, a “Pax Romana”, stable currency, well designed legal system, new opportunities for trade, and the possibility for prominent locals of Roman citizenship.

    The early US Anglo imperialists offered very little (same as early Russian imperialists). The US native Indians got various fake treaties and were eliminated, while their territories (and the ex- Spanish ones) were settled by Anglos.

    The contrast, in the 20th century, imperial expansionists (US Anglos and Russians – WW2) gained dominance over European territory with large and technologically advanced populations. They offered different deals.

    The US Anglos offered west Germans the Anglo corporate model (and economic reconstruction), with security in a defensive alliance (NATO) in return for political allegiance (NATO, World Bank etc.). The Russians offered east Germans social security, good quality education, a defensive alliance (Warsaw Pact) and incorporation into the planned economy of the Eastern Block in return for heavy handed political control (censorship, controlled press, secret police, restricted travel etc.).

    Europeans preferred the US Anglo deal and it prevailed with the economic and political collapse of the Soviet Union in 1989.

    The point here, is that the present US (2020)no longer offers the Anglo US imperial deal and modern Russia has mostly withdrawn from Empire. It is looking after its own affairs in an entirely different non-Communist way.

    The present US offers a very different imperial Zio-Globalist deal, which is coercive rather than consensual . It uses the CIA, “Regime change”, the US military, financial and economic sanctions and media censorship. For example, a country in its orbit like Germany, is required to cancel contracts with Russia, break important agreements with Iran, follow it’s “hate speech” laws, accept a Zio-Glob run MSM, open its borders to mass immigration and subscribe to the debt ridden US dollar as a Reserve Currency.

    The expectation is that western Europe and other states under Zio-Globalism will look for independence, in the same way as the Imperial Provinces did under the late Roman Imperialism. When Rome became a corrupt exploitative multicultural mess run by special interests it lost its Empire and slid into military defeats, inflation and collapse.

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @Agathoklis
  187. Miro23 says:
    @Miro23

    It’s the difference between US Anglo-Globalism and US Zio-Globalism.

    The Chinese have had experience of both, but are currently having to work out how to deal the Zio-Globalist variant.

  188. Syd Walker says: • Website

    Superb analysis that deserves to be widely read, Mr Unz!

    All the more remarkable because it was written eight years ago!

    • Agree: Miro23
  189. annamaria says:

    “Given these facts, we should hardly be surprised that international surveys over the past decade have regularly ranked America as the world’s most hated major nation, a remarkable achievement given … the enormous international sympathy that initially flowed to our country following the 9/11 attacks.”

    — Where did we hear about the similar transformation of the enormous international sympathy into the enormous international disgust? — The Holobiz and the Jewish State’s amazing deeds (crimes) against Palestinians, as well as the dual-citizens’ prominent role in the initiation of the Wars for Israel in the Middle East.

  190. annamaria says:

    The two gentlemen, Daron Acemoglu from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and James A. Robinson from the University of Chicago, happen to be two banal opportunists. The opportunism and willful ignorance have paid off well in the ZUSA:

    Kamer Daron Acemoğlu is a Turkish-born American economist who has taught at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology since 1993. He is currently the Elizabeth and James Killian Professor of Economics at MIT. He was named Institute Professor in 2019.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daron_Acemoglu

    James Robinson is the Reverend Dr. Richard L. Pearson Professor of Global Conflict Studies and University Professor at the Harris School of Public Policy at the University of Chicago and Institute Director of The Pearson Institute for the Study and Resolution of Global Conflicts.

    https://voices.uchicago.edu/jamesrobinson/

  191. antibeast says:

    Highly prescient, Mr. Unz. This article will stand the test of time.

    Eight years have passed and how has the world changed! Nobody expected a guy named Trump to become President and start thrashing the USA Empire, called NATO “obsolete”, withdrew the US military from Syria and Afghanistan, stopped the joint US-South Korean military exercises in order to negotiate with Kim, approved the scrapping of the joint US-Philippine military exercises by Duterte, withdrew the USA from the TPP, withdrew the USA from the Iran Nuclear Deal, withdrew the USA from the Paris Climate Accord, canceled the US contribution to the WHO, built the border wall, piled up $3T in debt in three years plus a few trillion more for the Corona bailout, gutted Obamacare/Medicare/Medicaid, gutted environmental protection, promoted fossil fuel industries, started trade wars, imposed import tariffs, withdrew the USA from NAFTA, called out the Western Media as “Fake News”, suffered from Russiagate, Ukrainegate and Coronagate, called out his own State Department as “Deep State Department”, hired his son-in-law to be his unofficial advisor to supplant his official advisors for national security/foreign policy/economic affairs, made a lot of money promoting his Trump properties, cut taxes for his capitalist class, etc.

    And that’s only on his first term.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  192. @Miro23

    And again! If Latins did live on all territories as present Italy how come Latin language did not survive.
    And another thing! All mafia members are actually of Greek descent.

  193. I haven’t gone through all of the comments above so I don’t know if someone up there might have said the same as what I’m about to say, but as I see it both America and China — indeed the entire industrialized world — are screwed, and probably much sooner than we think. The scourge of resource depletion, above all the depletion of cheap fossil fuel, will see to that.

    There can be no denying that all the amazing developments in the modern industrialized world have been made possible only by the discovery and use of cheap and abundant fossil fuel — which is now running out. People like Richard Heinberg, James Howard Kunstler, the late Michael Ruppert (here’s one American I’d look up to as a true hero), Gail Tverberg and others have all said as much. Nor is there anything that can prove as powerful and versatile as fossil fuel in providing us the energy we need to keep the machinery of the modern industrial world running.

    I anticipate the decades (or even years) ahead will entail a very painful return to a pre-industrial, agrarian way of life for the entire industrialized world, America and China included.

  194. Obviously such serious corruption would seem horrifying in a country with the pristine standards of a Sweden or a Norway. But based on the published accounts, it appears that the funds diverted amounted to perhaps as little as 0.2 percent of the total, with the remaining 99.8 percent generally spent as intended. So serious corruption notwithstanding, the project succeeded and China does indeed now possess the world’s largest and most advanced network of high-speed rail, constructed almost entirely in the last five or six years.

    Just compare that to Berlin’s BER Airport.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Brandenburg_Airport

    • Replies: @Been_there_done_that
  195. Miro23 says:
    @antibeast

    Eight years have passed and how has the world changed! Nobody expected a guy named Trump to become President and start …..

    Well, Obama promised “change” but it was Trump who brought it.

    Still nobody seems to be happy ( Zios – He won’t attack Iran! / Red states – Where’s the wall?, / Corona virus – We don’t want to drink disinfectant! / Economy – Why does Wall St. always get the money?) but he’s still on line to beat Biden who must be really bad.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  196. Miro23 says:
    @Zarathustra

    And again! If Latins did live on all territories as present Italy how come Latin language did not survive.

    When the Latin speaking Romans invaded the British Isles the locals spoke Welsh. Those locals are still there but now they speak English ( and the Romans themselves now speak Italian).

    And another thing! All mafia members are actually of Greek descent.

    Not sure about that one.

  197. @Anonymous

    The Chinese are inheritors of dna from their ancestors. As such, they exhibit characterstics that developed through generations of cooperative effort, a requirement in a highly populated country. It’s one of those Darwinian things. As such they are good at production in the modern world. They have talent.
    There’s a reason why many modern western companies have, for the last thirty years, gone to China for their most modern equipment. And it’s not just the price.

    Bringing the jobs back was one of Trumps campaign promises. It can’t be done. The Archie Bunkers of America, educated or not, cannot compete with the Chinese when it comes to making modern stuff.

    Fortunately, food production is low tech. And we don’t need high speed rail, because we have high speed air. At least, for now.

    • Agree: vox4non
    • Troll: Trinity, GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  198. @Miro23

    Rome continued quite successfully in the East with an overwhelming Greek-speaking core and stable currency for many centuries.

  199. @Zarathustra

    ‘And another thing! All mafia members are actually of Greek descent.’

    Any proof of that claim?

    Most of the Mafia activity in Sicily was in the west of the island where the Greeks never had a strong presence with the exception of the south-west. The last holdouts of Greek presence in Sicily were in the north-east around Messina and Taormina and villages in the Nebrodi mountains. Greek ancestry in western Sicily remains much lower than the east. Do not be fooled by the great Byzantine art in and around Palermo. The artists were often shipped in from Constantinople by the Norman kings rather than using locals.

    • Replies: @JDTrader
  200. @Zarathustra

    Some useful maps of historic Mafia activity in Sicily:

    https://voxeu.org/article/causes-and-consequences-sicilian-mafia

    As mentioned above, Mafia activity was less intense in the eastern ‘Greek’ areas of Sicily.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  201. Anonymous[432] • Disclaimer says:
    @HallParvey

    Yeah… I think it’s a lot less the Archie Bunkers and more the Jamals and Pacos. You do you, though.

  202. JDTrader says:
    @Agathoklis

    That comment reminds of the scene from the movie True Romance with Dennis Hopper’s character explaining to Christopher Walken’s character how the Sicilians descended from “eggplants”

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  203. JDTrader says:

    While China’s economic growth has been impressive, it’s wealth is concentrated in it’s east coast cities and they are facing the same kinds of income inequality that the US suffers, Good piece here:

    https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/businessreview/2019/04/01/income-inequality-is-growing-fast-in-china-and-making-it-look-more-like-the-us/

    Poverty or near poverty is a big problem in most of western China and they need a huge pool of cheap labor to keep their manufacturing advantage. They built massive high speed rail systems so they could draw upon the huge numbers of impoverished citizens from far away provinces see the article below for a peek behind the curtain of their war on poverty. It’s hard to look at numbers to see where the “average” Chinese citizen fits in. Many of China’s biggest companies are owned , all or in part, by those who are part of or are connected to the ruling political party. Sound familiar? The banks are notoriously putting out numbers that wouldn’t be believed by even the dumbest analysts, not to mention that they are propped up by the central government. I’m not buying the tide raising all ships theory of China’s economic revolution. Just like Russia’s “privatization” after the breakup of the USSR, crony capitalism is the way of China.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/08/chinas-war-on-poverty-could-hurt-the-poor-most/

    • Replies: @Wrenchturner
  204. Njall says:
    @peter mcloughlin

    Note: as of 4/28/2020:
    entering the above website blog link results in the following response:

    This site is not secure

    This might mean that someone’s trying to fool you or steal any info you send to the server. You should close this site immediately.

    Your thoughts on this matter, Peter McLoughlin?

  205. TG says:

    Well said. Kudos.

    Minor point: “this is largely due to the use of cheap Chinese labor for final assembly, with just 4 percent of the value added in those world-leading items being Chinese.” Missing the point! The value added here is in dollars! What really matters is person-hours of labor!

    Imagine a US corporation has a factory in China that builds a product using 1000 person-hours of labor. It is imported into the US, 10 person-hours of labor are used to package and ship it, and and it is sold for $1,000. The US corporation arbitrarily claims that the 1000 person hours of labor in China are only worth $100, and the 10 person-hours in the US are worth $900, so the “value added” in China is just 10%. BUT: the product was made in China, entirely! The calculation is nonsense!

    • Agree: GazaPlanet, Denis
    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @Fuerchtegott
  206. China doesn’t have a hostile foreign elite that expresses open contempt and hatred for its host population. That seems to be an advantage

  207. antibeast says:
    @Miro23

    Still nobody seems to be happy ( Zios – He won’t attack Iran! / Red states – Where’s the wall?, / Corona virus – We don’t want to drink disinfectant! / Economy – Why does Wall St. always get the money?) but he’s still on line to beat Biden who must be really bad.

    Yeah, but that’s his job as a latter-day Alaric. A second term of Trump “sacking Rome” could very well bring about the “Fall of Rome” which would be welcomed by Trump’s deplorables as their “liberation” from Rome.

  208. J says:

    Unz leaves out the fact that nations live or die by their military power. America has a growing population and an aggressive, experienced war machine. China always was and is today a very rich country perceived by everybody as potential prey. The Mongols, the British, almost all European nations (even the Austro-Hungarians) and lately the Japanese took succulent bites of it.

  209. DB Cooper says:
    @J

    India also got a piece, South Tibet, in 1951. The difference is that India is still holding to this land grab with no sign of relinquishing it.

  210. antibeast says:
    @TG

    Imagine a US corporation has a factory in China that builds a product using 1000 person-hours of labor. It is imported into the US, 10 person-hours of labor are used to package and ship it, and and it is sold for $1,000. The US corporation arbitrarily claims that the 1000 person hours of labor in China are only worth $100, and the 10 person-hours in the US are worth $900, so the “value added” in China is just 10%. BUT: the product was made in China, entirely! The calculation is nonsense!

    That’s the difference between the cost of goods made in China vs the price of goods sold in the USA. What happens is worse than your example because labor cost is only a small portion of the price of the goods sold in the USA. Using your example, the US corporation builds a product using 1000 person-hours of labor in China. Let’s assign a cost to those 1000 person-hours of labor as $3,000 at $3 per hour. The cost of materials is $1000. Total cost of goods made in China is $4,000. Its HK subsidiary buys the $4,000 worth of goods and resells it to the US corporation at a cost of $9,000. The cost of shipping to the USA is $100 while the cost of labor to market and distribute that product is $200 for 10 person-hours at $20 per hour. So the total cost of the goods sold in the USA is $9,000 + $100 + 200 = $9,300.00. The US corporation sells it for $10,000, making a profit of and paying taxes on $700. But its HK subsidiary keeps the bulk of the profits which is $5,000.00, tax-free. That product will add to the trade deficit between China and the USA which will be reported as $9,000. Why is the HK subsidiary allowed to charge $5,000? That’s called transfer pricing which is their biggest source of profits via tax evasion.

    Outsourcing is very lucrative for precisely this reason.

  211. @anon

    They laugh at us while they take our bread and stab us in the back. Just because they want to parasite off our resources doesn’t mean they like us

  212. Seraphim says:
    @J

    And you sincerely believe that China would permit that happening again? Can you really picture the Americans taking even small bites of China, supposing that they could get near it? You would rather see the Mexicans taking succulent bites of America.

  213. @J

    I haven’t reread Ron’s article but went straight to the end of Comments.

    Your comment is misguided. You would have to give a special narrow definition to “nation” to justify your “nations live or die by their military power”. And you omit the considerations of time and, most recently, of the demographics of the world since just after Malthus wrote.

    Even your suggestion that the British viewed China as prey is misleading since the interest was commercial. However point about being potential prey and seen as such is now most clearly wrong as China is clearly militarily impregnable. Even if some devilish plot to use bioweapons was devised its effect would not be to allow China to be treated as prey but only to weaken its clout in the region and world.

  214. Hegar says:

    Great article by Ron Unz! He is a great writer. I only wish he’d get rid of some of the trash who get to write on this site.

    It is an extremely uneven site because of Marxist losers like “Eric Striker,” who claims the Soviet Union would have been a great success if it had been run by Germans instead of Slavs. (Conveniently forgetting East Germany, of course.)

    China improved at a fantastic rate after ditching communist economics, just like West Germany easily beat East Germany, the U.S. easily beat the Soviet Union’s “Land of Plenty” that couldn’t even feed its own population without secret grains shipments from the U.S. in the 1980s, and South Koreans are many dozens of times richer than North Koreans who only get 800 calories a day.

    Yet we have idiohts who still think a government-“planned” economy works. Whenever someone acts badly and he’s in a boardroom, they blame “capitalism,” but when workers do the same, of course it’s not “the proletariat” that is to blame. So workers are not to blame for enabling the Left with its mass immigration for many decades, for example. (They pretend “workers started leaving the Left because of their Cultural Marxism,” which is false. Workers started leaving because of the failed economic policies that nearly bankrupted Britain before Margaret Thatcher turned the economy around, for example. The Left always had Cultural Marxism with the workers still voting for them. But after they started steadily losing voters, because of their economics, they increased the Cultural Marxism to mold new groups of voters.)

    Note also the huge difference in basic humanity and decency in Taiwan vs China. Taiwanese act normal, but in communist countries they are molded to be cynical and only look out for themselves. That is the result of being slaves for generations to a small cabal that owns everything.

    As usual communists are guilty of what they then accuse their targets of. “CAPITALISM!! is greedy!” Communists are the greediest people on Earth, who want to own everything in a country without working, and preventing the slaves from leaving. “CAPITALISM!! makes people act bad!” Communist countries destroy the nation’s human spirit for generations. This happened in China, in Vietnam, in Cambodia, and so on.

    In Vietnam, the communist party dehumanizes men when they do their military service. They come home snarling at their mothers and sisters, acting sadistic, taking pleasure in throwing their weight around and daring people to say no. They have learned that they are “the nation’s soldiers” blah blah and can do what they want. It’s encouraged. This hatred of normal society is useful for beating down dissent.

    In Cambodia, a little girl fell from a tree and cracked her head against the pavement. Only a U.S. journalist, from a “CAPITALIST!!” country, rushed to help her. Everyone else walked by. That is what communism does to a society. That would never happen on a street in Bangkok, for example. (Not that Thailand is perfect, far from it. But people act a whole lot better.)

    “Capitalism” was of course the Jew Karl Marx’ slur against the normal, human economy, where people can produce goods and services, own, invest, buy and sell. He singled out the part that was easiest to attack, that people could invest “capital” and slowly get money back for doing so. This was what he could hold up to the barely literate workers as something to target. Just like they attack “racism” when they want to attack White people’s nationalism – single out the part that is easiest to attack.

    And yet we have traitors who use Karl Marx’ slur. Even here, on this site.

    • Replies: @Biff
  215. Anon[397] • Disclaimer says:

    I am a Chinese.

    1.
    That map of China is ridiculous. Such carelessness or provoking instigation from UNZ is a sign of deep rooted arrogance and depression. It imply that China will take over Korea, Mongolia, partially Russia when China rise, yet somehow Taiwan/ROC will be let go.
    If there will be any thing in this world that would mark the rise of China in the future, it will be the re-unification of China AKA Taiwan return to PRC.

    2.
    It’s also a lie that ’35 million or more Chinese had starved to death during the disastrous 1959–1961 famine caused by Mao’s forced industrialization policy of the Great Leap Forward.’
    Do the simplest math! What’s the population of China at that time? 655million.
    35 million starve to death? That’s 5.34% of the whole population. What an odds!
    My parent, the poorest farmers’ children born in the 40s and 50s in the most rural village in the most poor province of China Gansu, they have 12 siblings, all of them alive even today, no dead siblings ever, not yet, one spouse died of cancer in 2018. Four grand parents were alive in the 90s.
    Yes, they all have severe famine memories! Yes, they appreciate food and loathe the waste of food.
    Yes, my great-grandpa died in the 60s when he was almost 70 years old. But did he starve to death?
    NO! He was always the most prioritized person in the family when it comes to food and any other good stuff.
    No, my parent don’t have dead sibling nor dead uncles/aunties in the 60s. They all managed through the hardship.
    So this 35 million death come from the CCP prioritized comparatively urban place of China?
    hmmm, interesting.
    Yes, you can continue eat the lies and spread the lies. Repeat it always.
    Yes, all your fantasy and hopes about the past reality will come true magically since you are the only one holding the speakers.

    3.
    It’s purely injustice to Mao by giving all the credit to Deng.
    But, whatever, why should anyone other than true Chinese care about it.

    4.
    Want to know the future of America? Just kidding here for amusement.
    Here are some other fantasy and hopes, but never the less, they are mostly about the future.
    On 2018-05-13, an astrologer AKA future teller posted on line about the future of America:
    2004-2023:California forest fire, west drought, same sex marriage go legal, play boy run the white house.
    2020: pandemic, famine
    2024~2040: money and fame suddenly go away. China ask for the debt.
    2024: eclipse track mark the place of earthquake/volcano in US, or war, even a nuclear war.
    in the end:disease, financial lose, drugs, venereal disease, bloody war… sick man of North America

    Sorry, I can’t offer the link, it’s not in English. Plus, it’s not serious, just astrologer sayings.
    But to me, even the pure astrologer sayings are much more authentic and reliable than lies & fantasy about the past.

    • Replies: @Ber
  216. @J

    The nukes provide the check needed on all conventional conflicts between nuclear states since the start of cold war.

    And you need to refresh your knowledge of Chinese conventional military power. This is 2020.

  217. Daemon says:
    @J

    Kinda weird how a country that sucks at war like China has a landmass that is equal in size to the United States. You’d think a country that everyone and their dog can just walk all over, would have been broken up into little bitty chunks by other stronger countries permanently a long long time ago, right?

    Has it occured to you – Like maybe, just maybe, everything you think you know is hilariously untrue?

    Nah, that would require thinking and nuance. And thats for fags.

  218. Biff says:
    @Hegar

    Another simpleton post that believes the “ists” and “isms” show up in their purest forms. You should get together with onebornfried and spin together your idealist fantasies.

  219. Frankly, I don’t know where you’ve been getting your figures, Mr Unz.

    Most of China’s economy is propped up the same way ours is. The government lies about economic figures on a daily basis and corporations collapse at the merest breath of trouble. The whole house of cards in China is even more delicate than ours by a huge degree. One of the biggest problems China has is providing enough food for one and a third billion people. Their solution? The US sends sells it to them. They buy it by the boatload, and if that supply ever ran out they’d go back to eating their own babies like the bad old days.

    China relies on captive labor to fuel its economy, so while more citizens become affluent, the less fortunate find themselves running afoul of draconian laws that ensure they end up at a factory workstation and no way out. Satellite photos show China has been building more and more of the factory prisons to sustain their growth.

    During the lockdown, those factories never stopped running, because the slaves were entirely expendable. Based on Carbon Monoxide emissions during that time period, bodies were burned at an astounding rate as workers found themselves ill, out, and dead.

    They aren’t on their way up. They are on their way out, and not because the US has anything to say about it, but because their economy has become too top heavy to support itself on the shoddy foundation of slavery. If you want to laud that system as a success, then you and I are going to have to differ on that particular defefinition. As for myself, I’ll stick to the dictionary.

    • Replies: @Biff
  220. China is the rising Zionist imperialist horse, expertly ridden out of its socialist flow into a new and pristine capitalist tool of world domination..replete with all the amies of force essenial for carrying through the program of the ‘Chosen’

    Russia is not to far behind as support as well. the fact that Russia and China long now made their partnership deal we see a kind of world order already established between the two.

    America has collapsed! looted and exhausted, its ability to police the planet fading fast. but are th 25 million Zionists in the world worried?

    no! they seem fine to me, confident and moving as ususal… as if they are as usual protected by force in the world great enough to ensure their control in perpetuity. they are there making all kinds of deals with the Chinese. China as socialist is an impression that is fading too..like old exhausted bled to death america

    I hope the Chinese know whats in store for them. ..and the rest of the world too. whats to happen to america’s army of unemployed now? I have seen no concern expressed about them yet..indeed about the entire american population

    Far from representing a positive Human future the rise of China appears to me at least to represent anything but

  221. 450.org says:

    Excellent article. Prescient and spot on.

    Case in point. As Trump tells us the pandemic has washed over us and it’s all good now, Chinese scientists warn that it will be with us for a long time like the flu or the common cold, something I’ve been saying for the past two months now to deaf ears and blind eyes. Thankfully, China is not deaf dumb and blind like America and most Americans.

    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/494975-chinese-scientists-predict-coronavirus-wont-be-eradicated

    The Chinese are capable of being honest with themselves and hubris is at the low end of the spectrum in China. America is the exact opposite. Truth, or anything resembling it, is nowhere to be found and in fact is anathema to the rotting, fetid status quo.
    Chinese scientists said this week that they believe the novel coronavirus will not be eradicated, predicting that the disease could possibly return periodically like the flu.

    A group of Chinese viral and medical researchers told reporters in Beijing on Monday that the virus will likely not disappear like SARS because it can infect asymptomatic carriers, Bloomberg News reported, so people can spread the virus without experiencing symptoms like a fever and cough.

    The researchers said Chinese health officials are still confirming dozens of asymptomatic carriers every day, the news outlet reported.

    “This is very likely to be an epidemic that co-exists with humans for a long time, becomes seasonal and is sustained within human bodies,” Jin Qi, director of the Institute of Pathogen Biology at the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, said.

  222. 450.org says:

    China has something America doesn’t and America never will have, mostly because America soon enough will be no more and perhaps because it was never in the cards for America due to its DNA. China has amazing resilience. It can turn on a dime unlike the American Titanic which is highly inflexible and cumbersome and is, by the way, rapidly sinking as the upper class fleeces the lower classes until the whole Megillah rests for eternity 20,000 leagues beneath the Atlantic.

    It’s in this way the biowarfare attack on China is a complete failure that boomeranged. It has made China that much stronger and highlighted China’s impressive unprecedented resiliency for a country its size while doing exactly the converse for America.

    The malevolent Neocon psychos have handed China a huge unintended serendipitous gift. They thought it was a smallpox blanket but instead it was a golden goose. The price of unchecked criminally psychotic intractable hubris.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  223. @Fuerchtegott

    Just compare that to Berlin’s BER Airport.

    Greens and other assorted “leftists”, who control local politics in Berlin, are eager to transform most of the city into the “Turd World”, with a strong LGBT accent, which they approvingly refer to as “Multi-Kulti” (Refugees welcome, especially Jews from Israel). They are able to indulge in such frivolity because of substantial federal budget subsidies, extracted primarily from surpluses out of Bavaria.

    The Green mind-set (basically analogous to that of Greta Cultists and Extinction Rebellion activists) is opposed to air travel. (They got the outcome they had planned to occur ten years from now in only ten weeks, so they must be happy.) They do not really want a big new international airport in Berlin, even if it is named after Willy Brandt, so they would prefer to sabotage or delay its ultimate completion.

  224. Biff says:
    @Sliyaroh Modus

    One of the biggest problems China has is providing enough food for one and a third billion people. Their solution? The US sends sells it to them.

    I just can’t picture Chinese people eating foot long winnies with chopsticks? Also, China is a net food exporter; their biggest import from America is beans, and the trade war put the brakes on that. In addition, you got to have a good agriculture system in place before you can come up with a billion people.

    Have you even noticed lately Americans waiting in long lines for food and toilet paper? Get a clue mate, the Russians are laughing at you!

    • Replies: @Sliyaroh Modus
  225. @Zarathustra

    how can the USA start winning again..as all the capital flows to China?

    I see the Zionist and the Chinese are as thick as thieves. the Zionists and the Russians also..are as thick as thieves. America is a hollowed out debt ridden hulk, suffocated by a financial system that can only worsen the condtion of america as the debts must be repaid.

    will the bankers write off americas’ debt?

    why should they.. or would they? as long as they can enforce repayment there will be no relief for the USA. wrting off the debt would let america up..to what point relevent to its destroyers..to rise to fight them in the future?

    and we know their depopulation agenda: to allow america to rise again defeats what we all accuse the zionist off..world domination and the structuring of world poplation by the numbers to suit their existential needs of permanent world control.

    so by all we have aver accused the zionists of the USA will not be allowed to rise again. they are toast beyond ability to consume some level of Chinese exposts while they last

    for the usa to become the real possible USA ..not the same but a pristine socialist, totally conscious democracy..educated by their experience fully, by what they will see in the rise of China as their suffering deepens, the american people must rise up in revolution and cleanese their nation, repudiate ALL DEBT! organize democratically allowing the people fully into the political/social process

    that and only that can save the amrican nation!

    it is a simple job in theory but monumental in practise given all that they are right now after their long period of exceptionalist bullshit. oh man are they in for a wake up call or what! the massive unemloyment should have teased their consciousness but there is more to come

    but if they are to be free and prosperous the people are going to have to do it by democratic/socialist means..overthrow their useless hollowed dispensation and create for themslves the form(s) of organization that would meet all their needs..the people in revolutonary action…minus their elite classes whom they should deport to China… or other locations down under

  226. newsbud.com;”The Rockefellers and Rothschilds in China :a long intimate relationship” :
    “The history of Wall Street and Anglo-American finance in China is one that is rarely discussed in Western media or even academia , whereas knowing it would explain much about both China’s stunning economic rise over the past 70 years ,as well as seemingly rising tensions between China and the US today.”

  227. America’s decline is found in this simple chart based upon USDA statistics that demonstrates where the root of the economic problem: Extraction of wealth from the farmers and hence the whole economy that is forced to borrow money to make up the difference.

    http://www.normeconomics.org/parity_table_45-16eb.pdf

    The chart and accompanying letter comes from the National Organization for Raw Materials which advocates that economic analysis known as Raw Material Economics who understand that when you pay producers of raw materials, particularly food, a parity price, one that allows the producer to buy goods and services from manufacturing and service sectors at an even playing field of purchasing power, then an economy can not have a depression..

    Full implementation of Parity, a law enacted by Congress in 1933, but not until World War II was it actually carried out, such that commodity markets were shut down, as prices at the first point of sale were set at 90% of parity.

    Starvation will be the norm in America if we do not address this crisis which as the letter accompanying the chart informs the President of the powers available.

  228. MLK says:
    @Fran Macadam

    The following short paragraph encapsulates where you went awry:

    Does China’s rise necessarily imply America’s decline? Not at all: human economic progress is not a zero-sum game. Under the right circumstances, the rapid development of one large country should tend to improve living standards for the rest of the world.

    Let’s consider this one sentence at a time.

    Does China’s rise necessarily imply America’s decline?

    This is exactly backwards from an historical perspective. At least for someone such as yourself, accepting China’s rise as real and enduring. Consciously or not, I suspect you wrote it that way, rather than “Does China’s rise make America’s decline inevitable?” because that would have derailed this entire piece thematically.

    Not at all: human economic progress is not a zero-sum game.

    You switched from the relationship between China’s rise and America’s decline to human progress. Rather obviously because it would have been unwise in the extreme in such a thoughtful piece to write the following, particularly near the beginning: ‘Not at all: geopolitical and geo-economic power is not a zero-sum game.’

    Uh, in a word, yes they are. Indeed, at any moment in time, and down to the most granular level, all economic activity is effectively zero-sum.

    China’s rapid ascent to the world’s manufacturing superpower was through wide-open access (WTO) to American markets.

    Look, the whole shebang is a sad, if not downright pathetic, story. Our unipolar moment turned out to be just that, a mere blink of an eye since the end of The Cold War before we lost it like someone taking candy away from a baby.

    In other words, China won the post-Cold War quarter century, hands down.

    We’re entering year four in which the American Governing Class remains split between those who want to reverse our decline and those who would rather enter second-class status with Chinese overlords than admit that Trump was prescient; that he’s The Indispensable Man.

    The die isn’t cast yet. Though The American Project is at inflection point of monumental importance. Trump cannot singlehandedly maintain our mojo for much longer against a Governing Elite that for a variety of reasons, selfish and desperate in turn, wants to learn from and model CCP China.

  229. @9/11 Inside job

    a most precise and relevant contribution

    • Thanks: 9/11 Inside job
  230. Sam 12123 says:
    @RadicalCenter

    The people who pay no income tax are people who have no money that can be taxed. Sixty percent of Americans don’t have a thousand dollars in savings. Nearly half don’t have four hundred dollars liquid with which to meet an emergency expense. There is a moral problem here but it isn’t the failure of low-income Americans to pay taxes.

  231. onebornfree says: • Website

    This just in: The Chinese economy, [aka”the Chinese Miracle”] is currently in free-fall, and may well fully collapse in the near future. [i.e. 1 to 10 years].

    This might well be the primary reason why it  is now “grasping at straws”[ e.g. the complete takeover of the the Hong Kong and Taiwan economies, plus its murderous enforcement of pandemic quarantines on millions of its citizens, thereby having a convenient excuse to shut down all anti-government protests in Hong Kong and on the mainland], in order to try to keep the Chi-coms  totalitarian dictatorial power structure afloat for a little longer, and to try to stave off the inevitable almost complete collapse of the Chinese economy, which must/will happen if China continues on its present  [hard-core Communist/fascist], anti-free market, anti-human agenda of total control of its population under the “guidance”of the mad,idiot communist and murderous dictator Xi and his sycophantic enablers.

    The only way to reverse this coming complete collapse of the Chinese economy is  for  the Chinese government  to fully revert to the [slightly] more free-market economic policies of Deng Xiaoping : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xioping  

    It was these these, [slightly  more free-market] economic policies that directly led to what is now called “the Chinese miracle”],  simply because more freedom for individuals always
     results in a wealthier society as a whole .

    The “Chinese miracle” directly instigated via the economic reforms and policies of  Deng Xiaoping are a perfect demonstration  of this principle [ more economic  and personal freedom brings about a wealthier society] .

    But idiots, economic illiterates  and Communist/fascist megalomaniacs like Xi [and pro- China useful idiots at Unz. com and elsewhere], are  incapable of ever understanding that, of course.

    Since the demise of  Xiaoping, China under Xi has [idiotically]reverted to the exact same economic policies that  Xiaoping had previously partly eliminated; i.e. to  a hard-core communist agenda which had, prior to Xiaoping, previously mired China in economic poverty and stagnation for many  years.

    And sadly, the US is, and has for many years, been on the exact same course [i.e. more and more top-down centralization of the economy, and fewer free markets], and now itself has, just like China, the perfect,fake, plandemic excuse to take a giant step further in that direction, instead of going in the exact opposite direction of total decentralization of the economy via free trade and free markets.

    Regards, onebornfree

  232. Cleburne says:

    Mr Unz, it’s a shame you’re still not at the helm of AmCon. Between Rod Dreher’s endless Advertisements for Himself and Daniel Larison writing the same three stories twenty times a week, it’s damn near unreadable. The corruption of the good ole US of A’s elites is on par with what you’d find in any commie nation, and has been the case since “Honest” “Abe” and Useless “Friend of Bob” Grant. I’d like to think we will see the end of this farce in our lifetimes. Thanks for what you do with this site.

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
  233. @Agathoklis

    Rome from the onset with senate and emperor has established system of central rule.
    Greeks always had independent rulers over small areas called kings.
    Greeks were united only under rule of Alexander the great, but that lasted only few years.
    After death of Alexander Greeks Greeks fell back to their old system.
    Greeks settled Sicily long before Rome become into existence.
    Rome did take over Sicily, but there were no massacres and population replacement.
    Sicily did maintain their Greek system of rulers over small areas.
    Through centuries these rulers to maintain their influence changed into Dons of mafia.

  234. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    Well, why don’t the Jews, Muslims, Koreans, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Africans etc… go raise their families in China where they are much smarter and the education is free, jobs will be more plentiful. They can take the Mexican gardener with them. While America is in a downturn with no high speed rail would be a good time.
    Why someone like Mr. Unz, would waste his considerable talents in America is a mystery, when the exotic of China awaits and all the money and high speed rail is there for the truly industrious. Maybe he could teach how to get rid of smog. For a decade under Clinton it was “Most Favored Nation”. No one should be denied such an opportunity as this. But not just China, but the Middle East too. There are so many opportunities for the young to build their own business empire. Go East for opportunities to create new.

  235. Aryan. says:

    aryans literally built the ancient world from portugal to western china.

    Andronovo an aryan tribe building the system that still exist in india.
    Sintashta building the ethno genesis of iranian people that would end up spreading all over the middle east forming the first modern empire.
    Hittites another aryan tribe building a country that alongside egypt would became the most powefull in the bronze age, were the ones who invented iron metalurgy.
    Mitanni and cassites indo iranian elite dominating the rest of the middle east.
    Scythians becoming the king of the steppe and teaching the finno ugric and mongols the way of the life of the steppe
    Afanasievo and tocharians spreading metalurgy, horse, chariots, apiculture to china that would let them start their first civilization.
    sea people starting the iron age conquering the east mediterranean empires and spreading iron metalurgy
    the leaders of the gorkturk empire were ashina tribe of wussuns origins (another aryan tribe) and the oficil language was sigdian another aryan laguange

    View post on imgur.com

    then greek and romans would built the proto modern world psientific method,democracy ,phylosophy ,literature,programatic math,literacy rate over 15% when in china and egypt was under 1% ,olympic sports ,…..

    in the year zero 90% of eurasia and noth africa spoke an aryan language

    View post on imgur.com

    then in the reinasance we embraced our graeco roman heritage and like our ancestors we spreading all over the world to conquer and built the modern world

    Sadly we have entered in a new dark age since 1900s and a secularized version of cristianity putt in place by the usual suspects but we will supere it like always have done to grow stronger than ever to start a new golden age the next parade; the stars

    ITS OUR DESTINY

    View post on imgur.com

  236. sally says:
    @Fran Macadam

    Absolutely not, our nation has made no such determination.. In fact it has not even been debated.

    A few criminal minded, greedy folks may have made the decision, in the back rooms of wall street, but we the governed Americans have been kept in the dark.. for ever ..by the secretive big bad persons who run the USA.

    Governed Americans are not allowed to bring to the media important narratives, not allowed to debate those narratives, not allowed to force the authorities to arrest and convict, imprison and execute those who abuse our society ( a hungry homeless is punished more for begging, than executive negligence. , . agent $Trillion from Washington is going to tell the media what to say, who is allowed to say it, and how much the person authorized is allowed to say; once the authorized person is appointed, the media is then permitted to spill the carefully crafted message he lays out in the form and according to meaning dictated by agent $Trillion everywhere in a process called delivered false, mislead, or cover Propaganda. .

    Since 1948 , the USA has made the Americans it governs suffer increasingly bad experiences. The Article Ron wrote is among the best I have yet seen..

  237. I must say Ron made many good points and predictions in his article of several years ago. America has been a clown world of a one-party political system since the end of WWII. Never before has it been so obvious we have a government of, by, and for the rich corporate kleptocrat’s who control every aspect of life in this country.
    The continued dumbing down of the American populace becomes more in your face every day. It can be no more obvious than in this latest campaign commercial for Valerie Plame in my home state of New Mexico. Plame, just another in the long list of “carpet bagger’s” who see NM as the first step into the seedy world of politics, assumes the role of some kind of wonder woman, who will ride her Chevy Camero into our state and deliver us from all evil. She is almost guaranteed a victory as long as she runs as a Democrat.
    Our last heroine “carpet bagger” was ex-governor Susana Martinez, who hailed from El Paso Texas. What I found amazing was she actually won running as a Republican. I guess the only card she needed at the time was the woman card.
    So enjoy, and witness how politics has morphed into some kind weird Hollywood script.
    https://heavy.com/news/2019/09/valerie-plame-cia-agent-campaign-ad/

    • Replies: @anon
  238. Z-man says:

    You should have a debate with Gordon Chang, a Tucker fave, and fervent anti Communist Chinese.
    As for China in it’s present tense I figure the ChiComms figured they could survive a pandemic better than the West because of their authoritarian present and their Confucian/Mongoloid heritage. Thus they sabotaged the rest of the world for their ultimate benefit. This has backfired as even sicophants like the Marxist head of the WHO is backing off the slavish support he previously gave to the Chinese.
    Italy and the rest of Europe, and of course the USA, should sue for reperations from the Commie Chinese devils.

  239. Biff says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Would his FICA and Medicare taxes even offset the EITC subsidy?

    Ah yea! The FICA is matched by his employer(me for decades) plus federal payroll taxes, and whole lot of other federal taxes. I can’t believe there are idiots still out there beating this dead horse?
    Everybody pays taxes! Get over your Mitt Romney nonsense!

  240. Ron “every Christmas I go to a Chinese restaurant” Unz is positively gloating at the prospect of declining America … the wandering Jew has been a “friend” of the White Christian West for way too long (who needs enemies) and thankfully, he is moving on to China, in large part by the diplomatic “breakthrough” achieved by the corpulent criminal Henry “I hate the schwarzes but love the chinks” Kissinger. Let the chinaman host the “geniuses” for the next millennium … good riddance!

    • Replies: @Z-man
  241. @Dave

    I saw this movie before-in the ’70’s. Only then ‘China’ was called ‘Japan’.

    Japan is still doing much, much better than the USA. You should not confuse the state of the Nikkei vs the S&P with Japan vs USA.

    What car do you drive?

    Japan makes stuff, stuff that people all over the world want to buy – just as the USA did forty years ago. Machine tools, robots, silicon, carbon fibre.

    The fact that China with 10x the population has overtaken her from a size of economy perspective, and that the US has forgotten about her, is not an argument for Japanese failure.

    CV19 has exposed the countries with real, productive economies, and the financialised ones, waiting, like the UK and USA, for planes from across the sea to bring masks, pulse oximeters, gowns, gloves, PCR machines, chemical reagents. Doesn’t that bother you? As a Brit I consider it a national humiliation for my country.

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  242. anon[608] • Disclaimer says:

    in 1880 the usa jews made up only 0.3% of the population and were all sepahrdic jews integrated in the american community, it is around 1880 with the massive arrival of ashkenazi jews from russia and eastern europe fleeing from the polgron of the tsarist authorities that usa went from 0.3% jews to in only 30 years make up 3.5% of the population in 1920.

    if we take into account that all the jewish emigrants were concentrated in the big cities, especially in new york where in 1910 they were already 30% of the population, and controlling the financial capital of the country meant de facto controlling all America, we can start to understand better what happened
    History of the Jews in the United States – Wikipedia

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    in 1913 the federal reserve is founded

    in 1914 the first world war begins

    in 1917 jewish bankers from new york finance the bolsheviks

    in 1920 the european american elites frightened with the incredible increase of the jewish power counteract and limit the immigration only to western europeans ,the jews are excluded from the elite universities ,hotels ,elite urbanizations,…..
    Emergency Quota Act – Wikipedia

    this is the time when henry ford publishes his book on jewish power that would inspire nazis and fascist all across europe

    But it was too late jews controlled an important part of the economic power, and partly thanks to the crash of 1929, the Jews took control of the main media and financial companies that were in the hands of European Americans. In 1965, any discriminatory treatment of all non-European groups was finally suspended, establishing de facto a new constitution and allowing that not only Europeans could emigrate,intermarry ….

    Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 – Wikipedia

    from 1900 to 1945 europeans lost controll of russia usa and the mayority of europe ,you dont need big numbers only all the of the jews concentrated in the superpower of the world and all of them concentrated in the financial capital of the superpower

    from 1965 onward the hell for the west begins

    Slaves to false education. Everything in life is prepared and oriented in that you must be a producer ant for those above. Schools are farms to indoctrinate and castrate children, where they don’t teach them shit. The university is another sheep pen, where you create pawns for the oligarchy and docile voters

    – Slaves to work and money. The only meaning of life is that you spend it all rowing in galleys. Come on, let’s have the chicken. From the time you get up to the time you go to bed, you row and row and row. Except for two weeks in August and two or three long weeks during the year. And that’s it. The rest of the days, slave. So until your retirement day comes, when you’re 70 years old, tired, broken and sick. And if you haven’t died, then euthanasia. And if you haven’t, they’ll take out a virus and kill you themselves.

    – Slaves of USURE. Something that the Bible already condemned, because the Jews have always been crazy about being usurers and sucking the blood of others. We have a legal system based on the interests of the world’s banks. Everything is done to favor them, and everything is done for their benefit. Because Western laws are dictated by them. All their fucking lives, rowing to pay a fucking mortgage, or to pay any other kind of debt. Always the same story, debt debt debt debt. Total slavery. Basic goods and services that are overpriced, so that you, the unhappy slave, feel obliged to row all your fucking life to make arch millionaires and kings of the world out of a tiny group of motherfuckers.

    – Slaves of CONSUMERISM. All your fucking life rowing to spend the fruit of your efforts on ultra-realistic shit that you don’t even need. Ultra expensive shit cars that you don’t even need and that get broken in 4 days, shitty gasoline sold by terrorists that cost like fucking unicorn blood, shitty phones that cost 2 months’ fucking salary, little gadgets and shitty assholes that get broken in 2 years, brand name clothes, rags and faggots that are worth 20 cents and charge you 200 bucks and break in 4 washes. Toooodo is based on fucking consumerism, on paddling and paddling and paddling and paddling, to pay and pay and pay.

    – Slaves to ideology. They call memocracy to tyrannical Orwellian shitty regimes that have made society more destroyed and rundown than ever. They have made a sex war that is literally extinguishing the white race. They’ve made families all broken up and hate each other. They have made people despise and denigrate the FRIENDS who are the most valuable thing a man has in his life. They have turned every god into an alienated, isolated, lonely, consumerist, lobotomized, unhinged, unhappy fucking life. SLAVES ALL.

    do you think its fucking normal to live in a fucking society where we’re all fucking alienated slaves ?
    -Where all the industry is deslocalizated to china the biggest geostrategical adversary of the west while americans are dying by opium overdose?
    ->Where womans are confronted to men white s to non whites and jews mock of everyone else?
    -Where you don’t work for a living, but everything in your life is based on the fucking slavery of rowing to PAY DEBTS imposed on you?
    -Where from 16 to 70 you’re not going to have more life than a miserable existence of rowing and rowing and rowing until you die, and if you don’t die at 70 you’ll get a puncture to kill you?
    -Where you only get to live two miserable fucking weeks a year and 52 disgusting, obnoxious fucking Sundays?
    -Where you don’t have fucking time to raise your children, or to take care of your sick parents, or to develop your interests and hobbies, or to have a cordial love relationship, or to take care of your friends?
    -Where a single person can’t afford a 70-meter fucking shithole made out of fucking ass paper, and it would take you 80 years to pay for it by yourself and you literally wouldn’t have YEARS IN YOUR LIFE TO PAY FOR IT?
    -Where they charge you hyper-inflated fucking prices for absolutely everything and your fucking purchasing power is fucking bullshit?
    -Where you are denied the fucking right to use even your own fucking language in your own fucking country and the fucking languages of the globalist Jewish banker are imposed on you?
    -Where do they want to annihilate your fucking national, cultural and racial identity?
    -Where they want to fuck you, third world you, and make you eat black dick every day and you have to thank them for it?
    -Where they want to cut off your four-year-old’s tail and the state can castrate him against your fucking will?
    -Where creating small businesses is more and more impossible because it’s absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to compete against all the fucking tyrannical shit oligarchies that suck everything up like a fucking black hole?
    -Where they force you to live in constant fucking fear and force you to accept that being run over by a truck or being cut down by a fucking goat fuck is the new normality?
    -Do they force you to paddle too, to keep millions of fucking parasite criminals from turning your fucking life into hell?

    And I could go on and on and on! Do you really think that the fucking satanic dystopia they’ve set up for us as a modern world is normal? This is freedom? Is this liberalism? This is memocracy? Fuck liberalism and all its fucking dead THIS IS JUDEO TYRANY

    Let’s see if you realize that we are not only being fucked up, but that we are being killed, KILLED, KILLED, KILLED, KILLED!!!!!!

    HAVE THE STRENGH TO BE A FREE MEN AND RAISE TO DESTROY THE PARASITES THAT ARE DESTROYING OUR PEOPLE AND OUR COUNTRIES

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  243. The USA has huge geographic advantages over China. We are separated from the world by the Atlantic and Pacific oceans and bordered by two nations we are at peace with and who are no threat to us. Our Founding Fathers recognized our geographic advantages from the start and sought policies that took advantage of this. Today, our geographic situation is even more secure than it was for much of our history.

    China is bordered on all sides by rivals–Russia to the north, India to the south, Japan and Taiwan boxing it in to the east, and Islamic states to the west. It has a long and complex border it needs to defend from rivals and a relatively small coastline that offers complications due to the many nations it shares seaways with. The USA has none of these disadvantages.

    America’s current disadvantages and decline stem from policies that have been put in place over the 20th century by elites who replaced the traditional American policies that made us the richest and freest nation on Earth with globalist policies that use America’s advantages in ways that harm the average American and people all around the world. These elites usurped our financial system, government, media and academia and have been trading away our wealth and freedom for wars and economic imperialism in pursuit of non-American globalist goals.

    Reversing American decline and increasing the prosperity and freedom of the average American is a simple matter in regards to policy:

    1. Return to the American System of economics as advocated by Alexander Hamilton, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, etc., as opposed to the English System of “free trade” that our elites adopted after WWII. That means ending our current “free trade” policy and replacing it with high tariffs on imports to protect American industry from overseas competition. Increase tariffs and end the income tax. That was our trade policy before 1913 and what made us the richest economy on Earth with the world’s highest standard of living.

    2. End our current foreign policy of interventionism abroad and replace it with neutrality in foreign affairs and non-interventionism abroad as advocated by George Washington. End all foreign wars, shut down American military bases overseas and bring the troops home. End all entangling alliances like NATO and instead refocus the American military on defending the North American continent only. We can do this easily with a strong Navy and Air Force based at home and a small Army made up mostly of reservists. This would bring us greater national security and enormous savings. “Isolationism” is a slur used by warmongers to brainwash Americans into dying in overseas wars fought for foreign interests. That word should be recognized as such. If China wants rocks in the South China Sea or Russia has border conflicts with Ukraine or Israel has conflicts with its neighbors, that really is none of our business and not something Americans should die over. That’s their business not ours.

    3. End mass immigration. America is the third most populous country on Earth after China and India. We don’t need more people. Immigration has lowered wages in the USA, increased costs for such things as housing and education, increased pollution, increased traffic and sprawl, etc. Immigration benefits the rich who want cheap labor and harms American citizens, not to mention fills our country with people who have loyalties to other parts of the world, not to our nation. End immigration and our standard of living will rise and the American way of life will be preserved.

    4. Kill the Federal Reserve and replace it with a U.S. Monetary Council with members appointed by Congress. This U.S. Monetary Council should be based on American principles and the U.S. Constitution with transparency and accountability to the electorate, tasked to regulate the American money supply to benefit American commerce and the needs of the people, unlike our current system that benefits a small clique of usurers, speculators and corporate insiders that the Fed serves today.

    These are simple policies that worked in the past. The difficulty is in enacting them due to the current political climate and the monopoly the globalists have over our financial system, media and academia. They have an army of think tank propagandists and lobbyists working relentlessly to keep the current policies of “free trade,” mass immigration, foreign interventionism, overseas wars, and their destructive Federal Reserve in place.

    The globalists are highly organized and have infinite monetary resources. The only way to overcome them is through organization and action.

    More on the financial power and solutions here:

    http://thetyrannyofthefederalreserve.blogspot.com/

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  244. @9/11 Inside job

    Due to “…Wall Street and Anglo-American finance” it is estimated that the US has lost 38 million manufacturing jobs to China .

  245. AaronB says:

    I can totally see why China is the Great Hope of technocratic control types who see the world in numbers.

    China basically abandoned its ancient values and is developing one aspect of Western Enlightenment culture to an extreme – the faceless, mass control, technocratic type.

    Modern China is basically a Western derived country, like nearly the whole world today – and there are certainly many people in the West who admire this aspect of Western culture most, and deeply regret that the West never fully and completely developed into a faceless technocratic culture.

    I do not begrudge these people their Chinese Dream.

    But for people who care about culture, creativity, civilization, and the spirit – modern China does not offer any alternative to the decaying West. Rather, the West – precisely because it is sonewhat decaying and inefficient – is developing cracks through which the light might shine through.

    There are so many different types of people in the world, with different ideals and values and ways of life that they prefer – wouldn’t it be great if the world could host multiple ways of life instead of everyone thinking their way must be imposed on everyone?

    The technocratic numbers type deserve their paradise, as empty and hollow as it might appear to me. And the world is big enough. I deserve my warm glowing human and nature based paradise, as “messy and inefficient” as it may appear to the abstract numbers types.

    But alas, Enlightenment derived cultures are maximalist.

  246. Z-man says:
    @Really No Shit

    Funny, years ago, say 8-12 years ago, when China was the rising star of the ‘elite’ in the West and not as threatening as it is now and making the globohomo internationalists $Billions$ there was a funny story in the MSM about Jews claiming/finding ancient ancestors in China. A yenta, I believe, was being interviewed about her and her rabbi husband with their brood settting up a Jew-ish school in Shanghai or wherever which had been there centuries before. LOL! I’m sure they made money in less ‘scholarly’, more money lending ways. Oy Vey! (Big grin)

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  247. @Anonymous

    “…Civilisation started 7,000 years ago in modern day Iraq by people who spoke a language that the Rev. A.H. Sayce described as recognisable in modern Baghdad and Cairo. I leave the identity of these people to the smart reader to figure out…”

    Two wrongs. Civilization started indeed in Iraq but not 7,000 years ago but about 5,000 years ago, and not by a Semitic speaking people but by the Sumerians, who spoke a language that is considered an isolate (not related to Semitic).

    “…as to the European Peninsula it didn’t have any civilisation worth speaking of until 2,500 years ago and even then it was right at the edge (nearer to Baghdad than Paris)…”

    There was the pre-Greek Minoan civilization on Crete from 2700 BC to 1450 BC and a the pre-Roman Etruscan civilization in Italy from 900 BC to 27 BC.

    “…The Europeans had a nice five-hundred years of supremacy; only 1/14th of human civilisation history…”

    Right, but to fully appreciate those “only 1/14 of human civilization history” take a look at Charles Murray’s book Human Accomplishment.

    “…”Achievements that require mental and spiritual effort are the highest forms of human endeavor, Murray says. He has scanned the most reputable biographical dictionaries and histories of the arts, philosophy, and sciences to find who and what, during 800 B.C.-1950, are mentioned in them. He came up with 4,139 persons and a list of events and ponders 20 persons in each of nine scientific, three philosophic, and nine artistic fields who were most extensively covered in the resources. More than 80 percent are “dead white males,” and Murray carefully examines why. The greatest achievements of India, China, Japan, and Islam occurred well before the West took off during the Renaissance, and each of those cultures valued duty, family, and consensus, whereas the West prefers individualism, the sine qua non of scientific debate and discovery…”

    Source: Wikipedia, Human Accomplishment.

    The so-called “meteoric rise” of China is due to copying Western civilizational concepts. Arab civilization too at its highest was to a great extent practising Greek philosophy and science. Without the West the world would have risen at most to medieval hights in some parts.

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  248. anon[608] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    do you think nazism is comparable to that faceless technocratic chinese model ?

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  249. Anonymous[125] • Disclaimer says:

    But America’s own societal information system is vastly more skilled and experienced in shaping reality to meet the needs of business and government leaders, and this very success does tremendous damage to our country.

    This is a very important insight. A hypertrophied media machine in the service of the “elite” makes them dumber, greedier and less competent with time while the fortress they’ve built turns into a house of cards. We need a reset – badly.

    • Replies: @450.org
  250. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Plames husband was an ambassador during the Bush administration wrote a piece for the New York Times…What I didn’t find in Iraq.
    “Did the Bush administration manipulate intelligence about Saddam Hussein’s weapons programs to justify an invasion of Iraq?

    Based on my experience with the administration in the months leading up to the war, I have little choice but to conclude that some of the intelligence related to Iraq’s nuclear weapons program was twisted to exaggerate the Iraqi threat.”

    He was writing this while his leftist wife was in the CIA. Then they were all but hurt when his leftist wife was outed, and she made a bit of money out of it too, book and movie deals. She tried going after them for money and failed failed failed.
    Considering the 1998 Iraq Liberation act was already signed and the left world now gung-ho to use all money and resources to liberate the women of Afghanistan, what was the administration to do? Ever notice it’s as if there was ever only one intervention; Iraq? Everyone always pretends that nothing else existed, say Bosnia, Afghanistan, Libya, Tunisia, Egypt, Syria, Georgia multiple places in Africa, that’s because the only one that can be pinned on Bush is Iraq. That’s why nothing else exists, but that Liberation Act was signed BEFORE Bush was president.
    People think moving equipment and people is cheap and that no planning has to go into effect, probably years of logistics planning. Say during the Clinton administration they were preparing for Iraq and had people submit ideas, like the PNAC, but this is still all just planning and tossing about ideas. Part of Bush’s platform when he ran for office of the president was that he was not going to do any “nation building” along with a tax break he intended on/and did keep, which infuriated the left. Part of the logistics planning would go into rebuilding the country, but if the resources that were initially for Iraq used for say Afghanistan, that would mean that the Bush administration would have to gather together companies for a different area. This would be where companies like Haliburton come into the conspiracy theory.
    Then you have those other kinds of back-stabbers like Colin Powell, who later came out in support of Obama, and said Republics still have racists, and that him going to the UN in support of the Bush administration was a mistake. But that’s a different conspiracy.

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  251. 450.org says:
    @Anonymous

    Ted Kaczynski opined about this. Now he rots in jail, versus a cabin, for crimes he may not have committed. Does anyone trust the FBI? Look what they did to Richard Jewell. They’ve done it to many others as well, so Kaczynski isn’t or wouldn’t be the exception to the rule.

    Here’s an excellent documentary that deals with the creation of this American “societal information system.” There’s nothing else like it that deals so comprehensively with this topic. America went insane in the late fifties and has been chronically insane ever since. John Brockman, scumbag extraordinaire, is highlighted. What a malevolent psycho he is. And yet Kaczynski rots in jail. It should be the other way around. In a just society, it would be.

    Brockman and Epstein were blood brothers. Brockman’s fate should be Epstein’s fate.

    https://newrepublic.com/article/154826/jeffrey-epsteins-intellectual-enabler

    [MORE]

    Over the course of my research into the history of digital culture, I’ve got to know quite a lot about John’s role in shaping the digital—and especially the intellectual—world that we live in. I’ve examined and scanned many of his letters in the archives of famous men (and they are mostly men), such as Marshall McLuhan, Stewart Brand, and Gregory Bateson. He is no mere literary agent; he is a true “organic intellectual” of the digital revolution, shaping trends rather than responding to them. Would the MIT Media Lab, TED Conferences, and Wired have the clout and the intellectual orientation that they have now without the extensive network cultivated by Brockman over decades? I, for one, very much doubt it.

    Lately, John has been in the news for other reasons, namely because of his troubling connections to Jeffrey Epstein, the so-called financier who reportedly hanged himself earlier this month while facing federal charges of sex-trafficking. Epstein participated in the Edge Foundation’s annual questions, and attended its “billionaires’ dinners.” Brockman may also be the reason why so many prominent academics—from Steven Pinker to Daniel Dennett—have found themselves answering awkward questions about their associations with Epstein; they are clients of Brockman’s. Marvin Minsky, the prominent MIT scientist who surfaced as one of Epstein’s island buddies? A client of Brockman’s. Joi Ito, the director of the elite research facility MIT Media Lab, who has recently acknowledged extensive ties to Epstein? Also, a client of Brockman’s.

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  252. denk says:
    @Brian O'Brien

    If I were the president, I could stop terrorist attacks against the United States in a few days. Permanently. I would first apologize to all the widows and orphans, the tortured and impoverished, and all the many millions of other victims of American imperialism. Then I would announce, in all sincerity, to every corner of the world, that America’s global interventions have come to an end, and inform Israel that it is no longer the 51st state of the USA but now — oddly enough — a foreign country. I would then reduce the military budget by at least 90% and use the savings to pay reparations to the victims. There would be more than enough money. One year’s military budget of 330 billion dollars is equal to more than $18,000 an hour for every hour since Jesus Christ was born. That’s what I’d do on my first three days in the White House. On the fourth day, I’d be assassinated.

    https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/WhyThateUS.html

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  253. @anon

    I really like Aaron B’s insight. but I just knew someone would up and make a mess on it just like that.

  254. @AaronB

    I love this comment! it makes all the sense in the world to me..relative to the capitalist/feudalist river threatening to drown us all

    Mao has been turning restless in his grave for a long time as the counter-revolution has prevailed in China. western money there, done that..got invoved from the start and in time turned the revolution rightwards

  255. Agent76 says:

    Apr 23, 2020 How the US makes countries pay for wars: Economics of American imperialism with Michael Hudson

    Max Blumenthal and Ben Norton discuss the economics of Washington’s empire, the role of the IMF and World Bank, BRICS and attempts to create alternative financial systems, and the new cold war on China and Russia.

  256. Art says:

    China’s Rise, America’s Fall
    Which superpower is more threatened by its “extractive elites”?

    (China’s Rise, Jew America’s Fall)

    The America that went to the Moon – would not fail. The JFK America had grit and can do.

    Sixty years later Jew America is already failing. Our overall inventiveness is waning. Creativity is sent offshore by the Jews. Large scale enterprise genuflects to Jew oligarch Wall Street quarterly profits. Every business bows to Jew banking and Jew advertising. Our government grovels before the Jews. Nearly all our public officials kneel to the Jews. Jew wars are sucking us dry – making us offensive to our neighbors. We are doomed to failure.

    No matter what the Chinese do – they will win – because the Jews are stifling and choking our culture. The Jew hold on us is almost total.

    Only a massive economic failure causing a revolt – will change our fortunes.

    p.s. The only time that the people are in control is during a revolution.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  257. SafeNow says:

    In America 2.0, an ethos of proficient/conscientious/fastidious has unraveled into “get it basically okay.” Thus, as I have posted before, we got the “basically okay” Boeing Max, and we endure 250,000 annual deaths from medical negligence (2016 Hopkins Report). This unraveling became contagious across geography, institutions, government, and daily life. Where are the masks and the test kits?

    Here in California, a partially offsetting influence and contribution has been our immigrants from China, for they are industrious, competent, smart, and decent. Americans should separate their often-seen anxiety and hostility toward China from what they think about Chinese-Americans. An ironic way to meet the challenge China poses is to applaud and maximize the contributions of Chinese-Americans. Harvard discriminates against Chinese-Americans, and mayor Deblasio is trying to end meritocratic admission to New York City‘s elite high schools. They have hold of the wrong end of the stick (if anyone still uses that expression.)

    • Replies: @Aster
  258. @Miro23

    “ It’s the difference between US Anglo-Globalism and US Zio-Globalism“

    We tend to refer to the Washington, the City, Tel Aviv axis as the Anglo Zionist empire. It is very perceptive of you to point to the mutation from US Anglo-Globalism to US Zio-Globalism. As far as Europe is concerned, the differentiation between the two sides of imperialism looks relevant. However, with respect to the third world, such as India, the Middle East and Central and South America, do you think the difference between the two types of imperialism is valid? Western imperialism as it applied to the latter category was wickedly exploitative and voraciously extractive with very little in return.

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  259. @Z-man

    It may have been about the Jews of Kaifeng … let them welcome their long lost “brethren!”

  260. Probably your best article ever, Mr. Unz. Thanks!

  261. There does seem to be a causal link between China’s growth and the decline of the US, but it is something for which the US and not China is responsible: US monetary and foreign exchange policies, which have de industrialized the US for the benefit of the financial sector.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  262. Miro23 says:
    @Art

    The America that went to the Moon – would not fail. The JFK America had grit and can do.

    NASA and space exploration are Anglo type things. Anglos (along with Germans), like engineering projects and technical challenges, and it was inventors like the Wright brothers and engineers like Henry Ford that built the US into the world’s leading industrial power. They harnessed electricity, radio etc. to found new industries.

    In contrast, America’s new leadership is more into Jewish type things. Finance, speculation, deal making, publishing, show business, films. The heroes are the billionaire hedge fund managers (speculators) investment bankers (deal makers), billionaire media owners, Hollywood and big money types in general.

    It’s a different psychology, and there’s no question that the Anglo model was better for the general public.

  263. lloyd says: • Website
    @Matt

    Most mainland Chinese are actually pretty stupid. A white South African I knew in China put their IQ as lower than the blacks in South Africa. He said the black South Africans have after all been living in a Western country for several hundred years. The flaws of the Mao years actually came out of the flaws of the Chinese culture. The elites had been overthrown and the entire country devoted itself to catching flies and making dud metal. The South African and I discussed some of their stupidity might just be a communication problem and concluded no. All civilisations that have occupied China from Genghis Khan to Horatio made the Han Chinese both socially and legally second class or non citizens. That old slander of no dogs and Chinese actually makes sense if you live long enough in China. That said, they have a bee like hive mind and their elites are Queen bees. They get things done with extraordinary speed like bees.

    • Troll: d dan
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    , @TT
  264. Alden says:
    @Bob Arctor

    The shortage of women was due to childbirth deaths. In all societies races geographic areas, about one third of all girl babies born died in childbirth until about 1900 after Pasteur discovered germs and the medical profession began practicing strict sanitation. With no more childbirth deaths, the sexes balanced by 1920.

    As for the one child era Chinese men, they’re importing buying wives from Vietnam Cambodia Laos Thailand Philippines Indonesia.

    It isn’t good for the foreign wives bought by peasant farmers. More like slaves working 16 hours a day during planting and picking.

    The one child era men are now middle aged. There hasn’t been a revolution or serious unrest because of the sex imbalance yet. With those men aging and good economic times, there won’t be.

  265. Anonymous[125] • Disclaimer says:
    @450.org

    That looks like a poster for a horror movie.

  266. Mefobills says:

    while both the British and the Prussians used the Chinese mandarinate as their model for establishing a meritocratic civil service based on competitive examinations.

    Hitler and NSDAP evolved this to also include natural leaders. Hitler schools were places to train a meritocratic elite. Not an aristocracy, Hitler hated aristocrats and people who were “birthed” into their upper class – and tended to not earn merit.

    Any hierarchy requires competent people. Fill your hierarchy with low IQ morons, or sociopaths, then stand back and watch the destruction.

    U.S. anybody?

    • Replies: @Alden
  267. lloyd says: • Website

    The Harvard Law Review is a student magazine. It is not exactly a student rag but is not classed in the top hundred law magazines in America. A black being editor of it was so astonishing that it merited a New York Times article in 1990. Obama’s academic marks from kindergarten up have been concealed. Sometimes I understand why blacks hate whites. I was puzzled at first at the role of the Greek Government in the housing bubble crisis. Then I assumed it was in reference to Cassandra warnings in the previous sentence. In that case, it should have been written the Trojan Government.

  268. @anon

    Thanks anon[414], I’m sure all you say is well researched. I remember the Plame/Libby scandal under Bush Jr. I always thought it was just more political theater for the sheeple.
    All I’m saying is I don’t want her CIA(once a company man, always a company man), carpet baggin’ ass anywhere near the levers of power in my state. That goes for here carpet baggin’ husband or her carpet baggin’ kids.

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  269. @YetAnotherAnon

    Yep, have to admit those Japaneses are industrious little fckers.
    And by the way, I drive a Toyota..

  270. Anon[567] • Disclaimer says:
    @mp

    Despite living in the Chinatown known as Santa Clara County, Ca, Ron UNZ doesn’t seem to know any Chinese immigrants who can tell him something of what’s going on in China. One or ten people don’t know everything of course. But speak with enough People’s Republicans here on work, student, or university research visas and bits and pieces emerge.

    “ I never saw the sky till I arrived here” That’s a common observation due to the pollution in China. “ My mother died after her 4th abortion when I was 10”

    The People’s Republicans in America are unlike Russian and other immigrants who freely criticize their native countries. The PRs never never say a bad word about China. But bits and pieces emerge that give a better picture than whatever the Chinese government says about GNP

    If the quarantine ever lifts, Ron should drive to Ocean Beach, Sea Cliff or the Marin Headlands or to the Presidio and walk around under the Golden Gate Bridge approach around 2-4pm any day. Then he can see the yellow and brown pollution pouring in all the way from China.

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  271. Mefobills says:

    Lee Kwan Yew’s mixed-development model, combining state socialism and free enterprise, which raised Singapore’s people from the desperate, abject poverty of 1945 to a standard of living now considerably higher than that of most Europeans or Americans, including a per capita GDP almost $12,000 above that of the United States.

    Lee Kwan Yew and Taiwan’s model are cousins. Chiang Kai-Shek learned the American system from Henry Carey’s son while in Hawaii.

    Tragically, American’s don’t know that the mixed development model used today by China, Taiwan, Singapore is the American System of Economy.

    The U.S. is now in thrall to the British/Jewish usury system of neo-liberalism. In neo-liberalism, the world is cast as competition – you only get ahead by killing off your enemies.

    An island nation, like Britain, took to the concept because of limited resources. So, you get ass-hats like Malthus who think in terms of diminishing resources. Then of course, there are the greedy Jews in the background, rubbing their hands and conspiring to control the world. The Jews were OK with China when it was making them rich, but now they feel threatened … in the same way they were threatened by the American system which they undermined in 1912.

  272. Mefobills says:
    @lloyd

    No they are not:

    Most mainland Chinese are actually pretty stupid. A white South African I knew in China put their IQ as lower than the blacks in South Africa.

    Your entire diatribe is you projecting your fears. Your amygdala is overactive.

    The farmer peasants in China average IQ is around 105, which is 5 points higher than the average Caucasian.

    They do tend to be lower in verbal IQ, but make up for it in abstract reasoning. G loading is a little lower than whites.

    Overall, they are a competent people, and the only thing that held them back in the past, was artificial constraints, not their inherent genetics.

    I’m a white person, and I’m not whistling past the graveyard. People that refuse to see reality have something wrong with their brain-function.

    Don’t you want other races on the planet to also be competent, and not like the mass of brown clowns with IQs averaging in the 90’s, and much lower in Sub-Sahara Africa?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  273. Miro23 says:
    @Joe Levantine

    As far as Europe is concerned, the differentiation between the two sides of imperialism looks relevant. However, with respect to the third world, such as India, the Middle East and Central and South America, do you think the difference between the two types of imperialism is valid?

    It looks as if every Empire has a different history and characteristics.

    The British Empire didn’t even regard itself as an empire until the 19th century. Before that, it was a mixed bag of territories and trading posts around the world with plenty of alliances with local leaders. British settlers went to America, Canada, Australia, South Africa and New Zealand, but few went to India, Africa or the Middle East (mostly only administrators in these places).

    The thirteen American colonies were concerned with settlement, looking for “Lebensraum” in the south and west while eliminating native Indian tribes. This was the same as Hitler’s “drive to the east” but as far as I can see, the idea of the USA being an Empire didn’t arrive until after WW2 when Anglo-Americans found that they were the world’s premier industrial and financial power (it helped that everywhere else was destroyed).

    The Zionist Empire (1985+?) exists in the shell of the Anglo- American Empire, and exerts its power through having subverted the power structure. It now directs US financial affairs, the US media, controls politics and directs foreign policy. Israel on its own is not much (about the same population as Scotland). The Jewish US empire also includes settlement . The 6 million Jews in the US regard themselves as permanent US settlers (the US is their country) and don’t have plans to move to Israel when they retire.

    Both the Anglo-US empire and the Zionist-US empire are/were harsh in enforcing their interests on less developed nations and the 3rd world (organizing coups etc.).

    The British Empire was less aggressive (after its settlement phase), and it’s administrators were also notably uncorrupt, learnt local languages and made a genuine effort to develop native administrative skills – although it’s very unfashionable to say so nowadays.

  274. Baz7 says:
    @denk

    I don’t think it would be the fourth day. It would be the first day before you could announce your policy. Oh on second thoughts you’d be dealt with before the election.

    • Replies: @denk
  275. China’s rise was planned by the zionist kabal when Rockefeller sent his hired gun Kissinger into China to open up their slave labor to the ZUS industries, since that time America has been deindustrialized according to the zionist plan aka UN Agenda 2030 and the rest is going on right now with the coronavirus planned scamdemic!

    America is being destroyed!

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
  276. Anonymous[589] • Disclaimer says:

    It is undeniable that China has made impressive achievements since the Maosits revolution to date. BUT lets be realistic pre1973 China still a Nation with markedly 3th world living standards, even today with a soft racist inuendos , people speak about the Chinese must adopt better hygiene standards personally and privately. Before 1973 China had mainly 3th world status, eversince Nixon or Kissinger?)pened China US Corporate Capitalists inundated Chinas economic landscape,in other words the real, KEY bases for Chinas economic succes remain USA Corporations majority perhaps more than 70% of their industrial output, although China has wisely constraint, restrain the USA/World FINANCIAL cartels..(Soros speclation against te yuan, ans Soros Opensociety inflkuence in HongKong)…Can China remian stable internally with a growing well travel eeducated savvy midde Class, and a POOR lower working class with meager salaries, slave like labor conditions, and opressive political controls, thats a recipe for a social cauldron.. will the chinese proletariat demand more “democracy” western/eastern oriented reforms??.. The main drqwback to Chinas ability to become the 1thworld powers is their entrenched insular racist society eventhough they are morethan 1.5billions Chinese how many are afrochinese, muslims, anglos, mongols, etc. Can the chinese deal with Multiculturalism within a Centrallly commanded ONE party/ confusian society?? do teh chinese become more OPEN borders, pro immigration, enpower women, lgbt/transgender/pansexual communities tolerancem , “free” press, media, free financial markets??? China has become GREAT because teh USA decided to become poor…a Spartan, byzantinne, militaristic, mercenary rogue nation at service of the Globaloists ELITES which do not care about that cosmological romantic lyrical notion of America.

  277. @nikto

    ” the dilapidated 19th century Greco-Roman myth of origin, especially the Roman part, is too dear to Anglo-Saxon education to be retired easily. Even those with clear eyes on current reality tend to make that mistake since it costs them little to do so; except perhaps in losing great sources of analogies.”

    Ugh, your last sentence is horrendous in terms of clarity. What on earth are you talking about by ‘Greco-Roman myth of origin’?

    What’s the point of writing a comment if no one else can understand what you are talking about? The primary purpose of communication is to convey ideas to the other parties, not to chortle to oneself.

    Your post screams ‘gamma male’.

  278. Interesting article. Got to wonder with the looming world depression does this change China’s prospects for their better or worse?

  279. Excellent, Mr. Unz. British, American and Jewish elites need to be isolated, they are obviously an enemy of the whole human race. Ethno Nationalism for all peoples of the world, protected by all peoples of the world, is the most sensible solution. Isolate the warmongers, secret societies and criminal’s. No more war’s and heal the earth. It’s up to us.

  280. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    If people don’t hurry, the best places to move will all be full!

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2016/04/23/chinas-largest-ghost-city-is-now-90-full-but-theres-a-twist/#de4da1067c83
    “Would you believe me if I said that Ordos Kangbashi, “China’s largest ghost city,” is now almost completely full? Maybe you would cite the work from one of the long procession of photographers who went there to take pictures of empty buildings, or the myriad news reports which called the place a “modern ghost town,” or even my own article that was published just last week which claimed that the place is currently one-third full to present a very convincing counter-argument. But it is a fact, I was recently informed that Ordos Kangbashi is now almost completely occupied.”

    There’s GOLD in China, can swim around and just find it.

  281. @donald j tingle

    There is no link.

    If you check the economic growth of both USA and China since China joined the WTO, you would noticed that both countries made about the same amount of money – use the GDP or PPP numbers. Most of the wealth in the USA went to the top 1%. This is especially true for the last 12 years in the USA. If you don’t partake in the stock market, you are literally left out of the economic gains of the last 12 years.

    This is a wealth distribution problem. With economic gains all going to the top 1%.

  282. Alden says:
    @nikto

    Have you looked at a high school or college history book published since 1965? They barely mention Rome. Greece is nothing but how oppressed the women were. Or, that the ancient Greeks and Romans were actually Arabs and or Africans.

    The Anglo Saxon thing is a hold over from the early 19th century romantic movement. When the Anglo Saxon thing was at its peak, 19th early 20th century the Saxon worshipping historians were very very anti Rome.

    You can find college course listings on line. Read descriptions of the history courses. They’re all very anti Greco Roman culture and achievements

  283. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Ya know too what happened to Bush’s father when he didn’t finish the job in the Iraq? He didn’t get to do a second term in office. Then we had the no fly zone on Iraq for years and years until finally in 1998 the Iraqi Liberation Act was signed by Congress, I’m sure all the intel was there when it was signed, but maybe someone who wanted to go to Afghanistan moved intel on Al Qa’ida from Iraq to Afghanistan, and could not find any reason for Iraq, because we all know we threw out the Taliban and never fought Al Queda. It’s all speculation though. Funny the same oil for food program UN who could find bad in Iraq at one time no longer could without lot’s of pressure but they could find Al Qa’ida, in Afghanistan. It’s all so confusing. 🙂

  284. jsinton says:

    I just wouldn’t be so quick to predict the fall of the US visa vis China. The Chinese have now picked all the low hanging fruit, and it will become harder for them to sustain growth with no natural resources, pressing population problems, and now the spectre of national debt crisis. China is just a giant Wal-mart. Everything is fine so long as the customers are filling the aisles. Take away the customers and watch them starve. Yes, they can make microwaves, but will they sell?

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @Daemon
  285. Anonymous[432] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mefobills

    Don’t you want other races on the planet to also be competent, and not like the mass of brown clowns with IQs averaging in the 90’s, and much lower in Sub-Sahara Africa?

    No, he’s just trying to cobble together some shill anecdote that can rationalize getting Whitey riled up to go to war for a country he’s a 10th class citizen in and fluff up the pet niggers the “West” bet on and lost. Rest assured, the number of Whites, especially White men within spitting distance of draft eligibility, this is working on is pretty much zero.

  286. Biff says:
    @jsinton

    Take away the customers and watch them starve.

    Who are these customers?

  287. Alden says:
    @Mefobills

    Protocol 4 of the 1895 edition of The Protocols Of The Elders of Zion is affirmative action

    “ We shall see to it my brothers that they the goyim appoint none but the unfit and incompetent to their government offices. And thus we shall easily conquer them when the time comes”

  288. @Biff

    Net exporter of food? That’s an outright lie. Show me the numbers before you spout utter nonsense. The biggest impact COVID-9 has had on China is the change in the food supply line from states like Iowa and Idaho. So, before you make up complete bullshit, you should at least pretend to do the research.

  289. Pft says:

    Sigh. People need to stop thinking 2 dimensionally along Hegelian thesis-antithesis lines (eg good vs evil, left vs right, socialism vs capitalism, china vs US)

    While these divisions certainly exist, one must see in 3D and look up. These are exploited to divide and confuse. At the top of the pyramid the global elite, consisting of elites from US, Europe, Asia/China, etc are pulling the strings. They have joined forces and are seeking total domination over the bottom 99.9 They will share the power and loot among the chosen few (600,000)

    Not to say there is not infighting among the elite but they have a common cause. They will do nothing to jeopardize the progress they have made.

    Elite rule has existed all through human civilization, but up until 1990 history was driven by them fighting among themselves. They needed us to help fight their wars against each other. This was less so following WWII until Communist East and Capitalist West came together under neoliberalism. The East realized their elites were not living the good life as in the West and wanted to join the party.

    The subsequent GWOT and now GWOP(andemics)are wars on the bottom 90%. The West provided the capital and technology for China to create the model for global governance. Total control, no democracy, total surveillance and social credit scores. This model is now ready to roll out thanks to Corona and 5G.

    The US may keep its fake democracy. The party’s are basically the same party in 2 different flavors and have been since JFK got knocked off and the elites finally took over by forcing out Nixon. Since then we have been a 1 party state like China. In China the elite are the party. In US the elite control the party (both) and government. Wealth inequality the same in both places. Same-same.

    One World Government is here. They just aren’t ready to tell us. They pursue lockstep at their pace. When they have sufficient control with digital id/currency, social credit scores, 5G/IoT monitoring every move, transaction, action, etc, then we will be told. At least, those who are left since depopulation is big on the list of things to do.

  290. lloyd says: • Website
    @lloyd

    I said most. The IQ said average. There are many very clever mainland Chinese. But manual work is despised, and the clever ones go into abstract mind work. Waiting an hour for a wine while the restaurant cooks a dish gives some idea about their abstract thinking.

  291. Alden says:
    @Anonymous

    I believe what Ron means is that an organized economy such as China has and America had until 1970 is more successful than America’s present beggar thy neighbor, cannibal capitalism, cheap immigrant labor mess.

  292. They argue that a country governed as a one-party state, without the free media or checks and balances of our own democratic system, cannot long prosper in the modern world.

    And, here my friends is the crux of the biscuit. The media in the West today is neither free nor a method of checking and balancing systems. It is a tool of the elites and their intelligence agencies, who with a wink from the CIA, PNAC and the other neoconservative think tanks stimulate the headline du-jour to be broadcast from Rome and Berlin to London New York and LA. We the people are the toast and jam at a Bernay style breakfast. We are run by Organized Criminals that get their kicks pulling off global heist after global heist such as the 911/anthrax scare, todays world plandemic, and everything in between. The American public is uncomplaining and believes they are progressing because the Media Networks lead them to believe so through their vicarious use of celebrity, and if you begin to feel depressed,well don’t worry because the next commercial will guide you to a pill, one gaurenteed to fix that little problem. Just ask your doctor.

    • Replies: @450.org
  293. @Franklin Ryckaert

    We’re going to have to go back to the medieval way of life anyway, if not the Stone Age (assuming we don’t go extinct), given the enormities brought about by the modern West — environmental degradation and resource shortage. Whatever might have been the cultural/intellectual/whatever deficiencies of non-whites, they at any rate did not bring about the two terrible behemoths now standing at the door of the modern world. On the other hand, what number of great (ho-hum) accomplishments by dead white males is going to compensate for the magnitude of the damage the two would inflict?

    To look at just one aspect of one of the deadly duo, environmental degradation, there are at present 450 nuclear reactors around the world. A reactor requires enormous amounts of water and fossil fuel input to operate and maintain at all times, or it goes Chernobyl. Imagine what’s going to happen when we run out of enough fossil fuel to keep them running. And right now all the drillers are about to go broke because hardly anyone is buying their oil. Go figure the rest.

    It defeats me what there is for ol’ whitey to be proud about.

  294. When we consider that American society has experienced virtually no domestic terrorism during the past decade, we must wonder how long our remaining constitutional liberties would survive if we were facing frequent real-life attacks by an actual terrorist underground, such as had been the case for many years with the IRA in Britain, ETA in Spain, or the Red Brigades in Italy.

    The ETA in Spain and the Red Brigade in Italy were both Western sponsored products of OPERATION GLADIO, and as far as the IRA are concerned MI6 had a lot to say about what happened in Ireland. For mor info on this read Paul Williams book, “OPERATION GLADIO”

    However, although American micro-corruption is rare, we seem to suffer from appalling levels of macro-corruption, situations in which our various ruling elites squander or misappropriate tens or even hundreds of billions of dollars of our national wealth, sometimes doing so just barely on one side of technical legality and sometimes on the other.

    Example: Visit Catherin Austin Fits at her missingmoney.solari.com – for information on $21 trillion dollars (the confirmed audited amount in 2016) missing from just 3 US government departments: DoD, HUD and 1 other. It is estimated that the total amount missing from our treasury tops $40,000,000,000,000, forty trillion dollars. Go figure.

  295. denk says:
    @Baz7

    Oh on second thoughts you’d be dealt with before the election.

    How did the yanks managed to ‘elect’ 44 war criminals in a row ?
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/all-us-presidents-living-and-dead-are-war-criminals/5662099

    Cuz its a feature, not a bug.
    The system is rigged.

    That’s why in the western ‘democracy’,
    Assholes like Pompass run the show, as per ptb script,
    decent people write op-eds.
    The rest are like mushrooms,
    kept in the dark and fed B.S. all day long.

  296. Sam J. says:

    The Jews have been running the US for decades now and they are running it into the ground. Their greed has no end at all. There is no of level poverty that the US has to sink to before they recognize they have gone too far. The only option left to us is to get rid of them. The Jews must go. Peacefully if we can get it but by any means possible they must be expelled. The Jews have been kicked out of every single country they have gone to for thousands of years for the same reasons we should kick them out now. It’s a complete waste of time dealing with them in any manner what so ever except getting rid of them. Every single country that has gotten rid of the Jews has seen an immediate increase in well being, prosperity and general relief at not being preyed on by psychopathic savages that act like vicious animals. Some say that Jews are not the only or the major problem, fine, I still say get rid of the Jews THEN we will deal with the others. I suspect it will be a far less bothersome task than the Jews were.

    The Jews know they are loathsome evil shits. They tell us so all the time.

    Robert Crumb: When the Goddam Jews Take Over America!

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @denk
  297. TT says:
    @lloyd

    Most mainland Chinese are actually pretty stupid. A white South African I knew in China put their IQ as lower than the blacks in South Africa. He said …..

    But the truth is: Look at facts & results, not what come out of your friend’s hip. If most Chinese is considered stupid, then what most US & Africa whites will be?

    Chinese aveIQ=105 & PISA ranked No.1. All Chinese majority nations like HK, Macau, Spore & Taiwan ranked aveIQ=108, PISA Top1~5.

    US ave IQ 98 (below 100 implied subpar), PISA ranked below 20 in maths & science.

    1 Hong Kong 108
    1 Singapore 108
    2 South Korea 106
    3 Japan 105
    3 China 105
    4 Taiwan 104
    5 Italy 102
    6 Iceland 101
    6 Mongolia101
    6 Switzerland 101
    7 Austria 100
    7 Luxembourg100
    7 Netherlands 100
    7 Norway 100
    7 UK 100
    8 Belgium 99
    8 Canada 99
    8 Estonia 99
    8 Finland 99
    8 Germany99
    8 Poland 99
    8 Sweden 99
    9 Andorra 98
    9 Australia98
    9 Czech Republic98
    9 Denmark98
    9 France 98
    9 Hungary98
    9 Latvia 98
    9 Spain 98
    9 US 98
    10 Belarus 97
    10 Malta 97
    10 Russia 97
    10 Ukraine 97


    [MORE]

    If these are still not convincing for you & your brightest African friend you most trusted as source of info, then read on.

    China patents filing ranked No.1 for a long time, equivalent to Next 11 nations combined.

    Still not convince? Then read on.

    China’s Shanghai province, which participated in PISA for the first time(2009), scored the highest in reading. It also topped the charts in mathematics and science. “More than one-quarter of Shanghai’s 15 year olds demonstrated advanced mathematical thinking skills to solve complex problems, compared to an OECD average of just 3%,” noted the analysis.

    The states of Tamil Nadu and Himachal Pradesh, showpieces for education and development, were selected by the central government to participate in PISA, but their test results were damning. 15-yr-old Indians 200 points behind global topper(Chinese).

    Comparing scores, experts estimate that an Indian eighth grader is at the level of a South Korean third grader in math abilities or a second-year student from Shanghai when it comes to reading skills.

    https://m.timesofindia.com/home/education/news/Indian-students-rank-2nd-last-in-global-test/articleshow/11492508.cms

    If taking Shanghai alone, China will not just Rank No.1, but actually two grades above the OECD beyond comparison. There are 8x more advanced Chinese students than OECD average. Chinese is 6 Grades higher than Indians, yet Indians helmed most US Corps to rule the brightest White Americans, forming 25% of its MDrs.

    Did your white African friend in his first ever budget trip out of Africa, visited the wrong country, say US, and mistaken its dilapidated infrastructures (US metro as Chinese FSR) & millions homeless poors as Chinese best elites?

    https://www.tes.com/news/pisa-glance-global-education-rankings-science-maths-and-reading?amp=

    2015(2012) PISA Ranking

    *2015 PISA Test when included 4 provinces (Beijing, Shanghai, Jiangsu, Guangdong 113.46M), China ranking dropped to Top6 Maths /10 Science /27 Reading. Some analyst reckoned that the drop was a result of lacking computer skill/accessibility in some rural schools after the PISA test was switched from paper to PC based. But China rectify that weakness and kept its Top1 position again in 2018.

    • Replies: @denk
    , @Jeff Stryker
    , @Aster
  298. denk says:
    @Brian O'Brien

    YOu forget to add…
    China is encircled by dozens of US military bases, its the only country ringed by nuclear powers on all sides.

    Yet everyday we hear genius such as z-man, no real shit etc, bleat about China’s ‘threat’, ask silly questions like…

    WTF with China’s military build up

    while Lockheed Martin, Boeing, GE, are laughing all the way to the bank !

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  299. DB Cooper says:
    @denk

    No real shit has been drinking too much cow piss. He is a subcon.

    • Replies: @denk
  300. denk says:
    @TT

    Somebody , could be Tim Cotton, says that Chinese should be banned from doing stem courses in the U.S.,
    let them study Shakespears and democracy ,

    LOL

    • Replies: @TT
  301. denk says:
    @DB Cooper

    he’s a mushroom club member alright.

    There’r often subcon trolls doing mischief tho.

    • Replies: @Lin
  302. @TT

    If Mongolians are smarter than Icelanders why is their country poor?

    And what about Jewish IQ? Aren’t European Jews supposed to have an average IQ of 115?

    One can see the IQ difference in Southeast Asia where Chinese merchant cartels own the Philippines economy.

    • Replies: @TT
  303. @AaronB

    China, throw down your weapons, open your gates, let the rape commence!!!

  304. TT says:
    @lloyd

    I hope showing you all the HARD TRUTH is not too depressing for you to tear your white African friend ass apart. Still there is no need to prove yourself further with more retard diatribe.

    Certainly Black Africans are much wiser and intelligent than you & white kins. At least they opt for Chinese win-win BRI investment to help them build up infrastructures, turbo charged their broken economy with fair trade, breaking free from predatory loan trap that ZUS/WBank-EU/IMF evil axis imposed to enslave Africans.

    And what have you American whites voted for? Jews & anglozionists banksters to lord over you from Tel Aviv, paying $2.5T annual tax collected to FED jews owners as usury interest, flooding yourself with millions of low grade migrants to suppress WASP, and fighting endless wars for jews capitalists.

    That foolishness is what we called mostly stupid whites with below Black African IQ. My stupid gov is just like you, importing millions of IQ75 Indians to suppress majority IQ108 stock just to join bankcrupted ZUS fight China to our own detriment.

    • LOL: denk
  305. TT says:
    @attilathehen

    (((Ron Unz))) is typical of his tribe who are marrying Asians and blacks.

    Attila the hen still can’t get over no white men want to marry fat obese white women that want to wear trousers at home. Try India dating Apps, some browns might still prefer white obese over Indian fat mama.

  306. TT says:
    @Brian O'Brien

    1. Return to the American System of economics as advocated by Alexander Hamilton, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, etc.

    US would have 50% global mfg GDP today if keeping this system. So its not Chinese fault afterall, but Americans have chosen their future with 14M race from Tel Aviv, and now, adding super India.

    America’s Future Is with India and Israel
    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/americas-future-india-israel-21629

    Did Modi sold the legendary sulaimani tea to astronaut Neil Armstrong on the moon?
    https://m.khaleejtimes.com/editorials-columns/india-in-the-business-of-meaning-business

    Bharatiya Janata Party’s Biplab Kumar Deb, Chief Minister of Tripura, says the Internet existed in the days of the Mahabharata and the Europeans and Americans were wrong in claiming the invention.

    Minister of State for HRD Satyapal Singh that it was an Indian called Shivakar Babuji Talpade who invented airplanes eight years before the Wright brothers did.

    According to Uttar Pradesh Deputy Chief Minister Dinesh Sharma, deity Sita, the wife of Rama, was the first test tube baby in the world.

    Modiji himself that Ganesha was the first ever example of plastic surgery. He also believes Karna, a character of the epic Mahabharata was born due to genetic engineering.

    India conducted nuclear test hundreds of thousands of years ago.

    Bharat Ratna for discovering that the law of gravity was, in fact, discovered by Indian scientist Brahmagupta II one thousand years before Issac Newton.

    With 1.4B Indians mighty technology help, US will sure to surpass all its past glory and colonize Mars soon.

    2. End our current foreign policy of interventionism abroad and replace it with neutrality in foreign affairs and non-interventionism abroad as advocated by George Washington.

    $700B defense budget, $1T nuke renewal, $6T Iraq-Afgh war funds, $20T missing Pentagon fund…you can rebuild US 20x with enough left for free education & healthcare.

    3. End mass immigration. America is the third most populous country on Earth after China and India.

    It was only 20M peaceful Americans, until the whites arrive. Time to deport all foregners.

    4. Kill the Federal Reserve and replace it with a U.S. Monetary Council

    RIP. All Potus who advocate that ended 6ft underground.

    • Replies: @Malla
  307. TT says:
    @denk

    Im sure Chinese will also excel & top the Shakespeare & democracy subject chart with their better reading skills than Americans. But they have better thing to do than studying these useless junks that i was fed in high school.

    If Chinese stop studying STEMS in US and stay over to support its research, we might see a huge decline of US research fields. Most papers i read in my Uni time, they carried Chinese researchers names, author by white.

    I last read that half of U.S. A.I. researchers are Asians. Majority of them are Chinese. If they stop going to US, China will surpass US even faster.

    • Replies: @denk
  308. denk says:
    @TT

    sINCE [[[they]]] are so cagey about Chinese in their midst doing stem, been ethnic cleansing them from Uni , even purging Chinese cancer researchers from their labs…..why’d they sponsor joint research in CV bet Wuhan and NUC, NIH, even granting 3.8b to Shi to continue her work back in China ??

    You and I both feel that [[[ they]]] have been setting the Chinese up to take the rap for this FF

    Looks like we’ve company, Gordon Duff also smell a rat,

    The National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases (Fauci is the Head) gave a $3.7 million grant to the Wuhan Virology lab to study bat coronaviruses between 2010 and 2015. Was this just science, or to develop trust for cover to introduce COVID-19 into the Wuhan area and destroy the Chinese economy? (https://jamesfetzer.org/2020/04/gordon-duff-documentary-proof-university-of-north-carolina-generated-covid-19/)

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/what-did-u-s-intel-really-know-about-the-chinese-virus/#comment-3855300

    • Replies: @TT
  309. Anonymous[798] • Disclaimer says:
    @450.org

    It’s in this way the biowarfare attack on China is a complete failure that boomeranged. It has made China that much stronger and highlighted China’s impressive unprecedented resiliency for a country its size while doing exactly the converse for America.

    The malevolent Neocon psychos have handed China a huge unintended serendipitous gift. They thought it was a smallpox blanket but instead it was a golden goose. The price of unchecked criminally psychotic intractable hubris.

    Agreed, the above is absolutely correct. BUT . . .

    Ask yourself, what would a criminally insane, utterly ruthless, but furious and frustrated Deep State Cabal do, after suffering such monumental blow-back due to their own evil?

    Do you believe for one minute they would re-evaluate, or engage in self-reflection? NO! They will do no such thing.

    What they’re going to do is double down. They will utilize the one tool where the U.S. still has the advantage, albeit eroding. You guessed it:

    WAR. The Deep State will provoke, or failing that, will attack first themselves, and try to spin it all as “China’s (and Russia’s) aggression”.

    I was at another forum lately, and there were (obviously to me) partisan commentators there, who were (get this) “asking about ideas to reinstitute the Draft (!) by stealth, under the radar”! It raised a lot of red flags. Typical Deep State Cabal, not even bothering to explain to the American people what they are getting us into.

    The Deep State lunatics are planning something huge, as in world-shaking, probably within the next several years.

    Watch the signs, friends. Watch the signs.

  310. TT says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    If Mongolians are smarter than Icelanders why is their country poor?

    You are asking an invalid qn. Chinese Hans are not Mongolian, but Mongolians are absorbed into Hans civilization as a minority after Yuan Dynasty was toppled by Ming Dynasty. Its strange Hans didn’t culled all Mongolians that treated them ruthlessly. Similarly for Qing Dynasty Manchurians.

    Outer Mongolia has one of worst land locked arid land. Leaving to Mongolians ruling after Soviet forced independent, years of over grazing has turned huge swath of lands in to useless desert. 80% of its economy relied on China now.

    To be fair, let’s compare with the Han’s ruled inner Mongolia of similar Mongolian ethnic.

    Letting Hans to run it, they will turn these desert land to green pasture of medical herbs, crops and timbers, as they did to 1/3 of inner Mongolia Kubuqi (18,600 sq. km) desert since 1988. Inner Mongolia is ranked 10th in highest disposable income & GDP per cap in China.

    https://time.com/4851013/china-greening-kubuqi-desert-land-restoration/?amp=true

    https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201907/29/WS5d3df3c8a310d8305640162f.html

    [MORE]

    2007

    2017

    2019

    You can see these similarly in Qinghai, Xinjiang, Tibet, Uyghur…, Hans gov will turn all arid barren lands into green farms, tomatoes(world No.1 exporter), fruits,..using drip watering irrigation and green houses. Then passed to local minorities as part of poverty alleviation program. Cross the border to Kazakhstan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, India…you can only see bare lands & deserts roam by poors.

    For jews high IQ, my Jewish friends told me there are many stupid jews as well, just that they knew how to project themselves shrewdly. They might be no different like West in IQ. Israel will be a good reference, with ave IQ 95.

    You seem harbour a grude with Chinese ethnic in Philippines, never fail to complaint once.

    Chinese are borned diligent and business minded, they will engage in business in whatever country they set foot.

    Just like white Vikings will colonize and plunder any lands within their reach, or jews will monopolize financial sectors & stranglehold any gov it touches. Their tentacles are stretching deep into China Kaifeng reviving thousands of Chinese jews there, grooming them for next AIPAC.

    In Spore, its said 3/4 of assets are owned by one jews, Zionism President of Asia, Manasseh Meyer. He was borned in Iraq, had deep link in India.

    Born in Baghdad and educated in Calcutta, Manasseh Meyer came to Singapore in 1861 aged 15 and…
    founded his own import-export business known as Meyer Brothers involved in the opium trade.[7] The firm grew to dominate all trade with India, linked by the two then flourishing Baghdadi Jewish communities of Calcutta and Singapore. Raphael Sassoon, born in Aleppo.

    Not only was he one of the richest men in Singapore, at one point he was believed to own three-fourths of the island.[13]
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manasseh_Meyer

  311. 450.org says:
    @the grand wazoo

    And, here my friends is the crux of the biscuit. The media in the West today is neither free nor a method of checking and balancing systems. It is a tool of the elites and their intelligence agencies, who with a wink from the CIA, PNAC and the other neoconservative think tanks stimulate the headline du-jour to be broadcast from Rome and Berlin to London New York and LA.

    True that, but it’s ALL media and that includes OAN and Fox News and The National Review and any and all so-called “conservative” media organizations and venues. They’re all cattle pens for the dull, naive minds if they can even be called minds. Russia Today? Same thing, just replace KGB for CIA, and yes, it will always be the KGB to me — just because it changes the name and thus the acronym doesn’t mean the substance and mission has changed. It’s ALL perception management. Propaganda to varying degrees. Agenda driven.

  312. The Rise and Fall of both the USA and China is the work of the same clique of people.

    “In mid-1913 the United Kingdom became the first country to promote the use of the yuan in Europe. Germany, France, Switzerland and Luxembourg entered the competition through the installation of OCB to facilitate the use of the «people’s currency» (‘renminbi’). Nevertheless, none of these constituted a serious threat to the United Kingdom. The City of London has more than half of operations denominated in yuan in the European continent.”

    https://www.voltairenet.org/article189193.html

  313. @Pft

    Agree with everything you say except JFK was anti-globalist. JFK was perhaps the biggest pusher of the UN and a one world style government of any American president.
    Greatest proof of this was his signing of PL87-297 Arms Control and Disarmament Act /
    State Department Publication No.7277. If you read this document you will find the end result was the total disarmament of the American citizens and the eventual surrender of the US Military to UN authority.
    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/guns/dos7277.htm

    Another lie that must be exposed is that of JFK’s signing of Executive Order 11110 was designed to start the elimination of the Federal Reserve.

    Cheers

  314. Daemon says:
    @jsinton

    Ah yes, we’ll all be heating up our tv-dinners and hotpockets with nothing but our bare hands, just like in the good ol’ days. \s

    I hope you and your fellow countrymen enjoy spending 5x as long shopping for stuff that isnt made in China. That’ll show them sneaky slants!

    I swear, China-Derangement-Syndrome is just as cognitively destructive as TDS it seems.

  315. Richard B says:

    I would still stand by virtually everything I wrote at the time.

    This could just be because Ron’s not capable of questioning his own assumptions and changing his mind, or admitting he’s wrong.

    In this respect, the best refutation for any of Ron’s articles is his website.

    You can’t adequately analyze something that you can’t, or won’t, properly define.

    Jewish Supremacy Inc. for the last 100+ years has tightened its death grip on each and every choke point of American culture.

    Though many have no interest in root cause analysis and are unable to explain it as a result, few would deny that America is being suffocated to death.

    Or, as a Jewish professor once said to me, “How can anything Jewish be democratic?”

    Which means Americans, that is to say, those commonly associated with America as a geographical extension of Europe, ie; Whites*, can not and have not had an influence on their own country for ages.

    So, it’s inaccurate to say “America” without naming those who drive its Foreign, Domestic, and Economic Policies, control its teaching-learning institutions, and media and manage the currency that pays for it all.

    If JSI is permitted to slander Americans with impunity while not only demanding to be placed above criticism, or else, but actually have the power to effectuate this insane demand, then it’s inaccurate and unjust to use the word “America” as it is used in this article.

    The whole article needs to be read from the perspective that the only two super powers in the world today, Jewish Supremacy Inc. and The Chinese Communist Party, have partnered, and that the basis of this partnership is their mutual love of Marxism, a belief-system central to JSI.

    And I don’t mean Marx simply in terms of communism. But of materialism.

    A materialism that has no problem at all using capitalism to bring the planet earth to heel under a communist dictatorship. Which is what is happening now.

    A fact that invalidates Ron’s use of the word American.

    When something so obvious eludes the mind of someone as perceptive and intelligent as Ron Unz, you can be sure that it’s because a ruling orientation is blocking the way, making it impossible for him to even be aware of his own assumptions, let alone question them.

    A ruling orientation, moreover, with obvious and profound cultural roots.

    *Sorry E. Michael Jones, but “White” is a valid category. Far more than your precious “Logos.”

  316. @platocrat

    I agree that Unz hit this one out of the park, but it hooked foul when he ignored immigration as a major issue in the disintegration of this country. The immigrants and the elites who invite them here are both major problems. America is now about as functional as a step-family or foster-family. China is made up of Chinese, and they have no doubt about who they are.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
  317. @Alden

    As L. Fry documents irrefutably in Waters Flowing Eastward (1933), the 1895 Protocols publication is genuinely what it purports to be.

    Please note this, Dr. Kevin MacDonald and Dr. David Duke.

  318. @Alden

    It started with the Bolsheviks. We may need a Stalin instead of a Hitler. I’d take just about anyone who isn’t corrupt over the snakes and traitors running the country now.

    https://muse.jhu.edu/book/52766

  319. @Alden

    In a similar vein … (The translation from the original French is a little awkward in places.)

    “The Bolchevik method relied on gathering the masses and turn them in a sort of a steamroller to crush everything in front. The Menchevik method uses poisons to divide people, to ruin the middle class, to corrupt and pervert everyone, to blackmail everybody, to plunge people into confusion by cutting their roots in order that people commit self-destruction. That is the method used today.”

    http://jean.de.peyrelongue.free.fr/war.htm

  320. TT says:
    @denk

    Thks for the sharing of Gordon Duff great article.

    [MORE]

    Gordon:
    The proof is here, simply scroll down. The study was run by the University of North Carolina and funded by USAID/CIA. It chose a Chinese bat virus and chose to include a medical facility in Wuhan as well.

    Now we know why, a smokescreen of the blame for a program China had little or nothing to do with, something satanically evil and purely American.

    In November 2015, a study was published outlining the capability of producing the virus we are dealing with now. Among the many involved was a lab in Wuhan, China. It was listed from the beginning as one of the dozens, mostly American, working on this project.

    However, one key participant was left out, USAID. It is suspected, deeply so, that USAID is a front for American bio-warfare research such as that done in Tbilisi, Georgia and elsewhere, much documented. This is the citation that adds USAID to the research funding group.

    Here’s one peer reviewing paper saying COVID is HIV inserted bioweapon can’t be natural.

    COVID-19 Pandemic: Its Origin, Implications and Treatments
    Article (PDF Available) in Open Journal of Regenerative Medicine 09(02):43-64 · January 2020 with 7,779 Reads 
    DOI: 10.4236/ojrm.2020.92006
    Cite this publication
    Peter K. Law

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340786428_COVID-19_Pandemic_Its_Origin_Implications_and_Treatments

    There were techniques to exploit the HIV-1 virus to en-gineer vectors for gene transfer, the combining of viruses with polymers or ca-tionic lipids to improve gene transfer, the attachment of nuclear localization signal peptides to oligonucleotides to direct them to nuclei, and the invention of molecular switch systems allowing genes to be turned on or off at will [3].

    2. Origin of COVID-19 2019-nCoV genomics indicated that it was a recombinant virus of SARS-CoV and HIV origins. The two species of viruses had distinct and distance pedigrees, and because of the different space and time of their existence, their recombinant had never appeared in a natural setting [4]. Therefore, 2019-nCoV could not be a product of nature, but rather a product of human genetic engineering.

    Since 911, under Bush, US had withdrawn from 1972 Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention (BTWC). Then it threatened & prevented UNSC setting up a monitoring mechanism for the execution of the BTWC Convention. Is it standing in the way of developing biological weapon for the U.S.?

    Biological Weapons Convention (BWC) Compliance Protocol
    https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/biological-weapons-convention-bwc/

    #Why US need increase its BSL4 Lab from 2 to 12, BSL3 Labs increase by 900 after 911?
    https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/biosecurity-in-question-at-us-germ-labs/

    #Why Pentagon need to patent attenuated Coronavirus, and war funded 400 bioweapon Labs set up globally, it can’t be using war fund for peaceful purpose to mankind.
    https://patents.justia.com/patent/10130701

    The Pentagon Bio-weapons
    http://dilyana.bg/the-pentagon-bio-weapons/amp/

    • Replies: @denk
  321. Lin says:
    @denk

    8 reasons why india will rule the world in 2050 according to ‘The European’

  322. bluefire says:

    Europeans will not allow Asians to rule them. The only reason Europeans allow Jews any position within their sphere at all is the Christian religion. The structural power the Church wielded. The structural power and influence of Christianity. Asians aren’t in it at all outside of being potential converts. Otherwise, they are just a strange and foreign race and are especially not in a unique position. Jews are .. for good or bad. In middle age Europe Jews were still special in a to be “feared and avoided” way. Now it has shifted to the extreme opposite but what remains constant is their place within it.

    At different times I’ve read/listened to Jews speak on “getting rid” of Christianity because they are annoyed by it or despise it. But these kinds haven’t thought it through. Christianity by being tied to that “Old Testament” is the root of the problem for Europeans and I do not see a way for it to be remedied because if/when Europeans begin straying away from it (renaissance) another form just rises to take its place. Communism and Liberalism have combined and transformed into Holocaustianity. But regardless of this.. Islam exists. Europeans will never be free , ironically, without what can only be described as “divine intervention” , ie an outside of human control form of power .. whether that be a comet/meteor or actual “divine” interference. Humanity itself is enslaved to this forever. The next form for European, and all non-Jewish humanity submission is Islam. Ishmael , the “broom of Israel” will rid the planet of all non-abrahamics. No more Tibetans. No more Hindus. No more Bhuddists. No more PAGANS. This is the real black pill.

    How UN-fortunate it was that that “old” testament was included into the “new” religion.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  323. DB Cooper says:
    @Lin

    India’s superpower fetish has been going on for decades. It has its origin right at the beginning when the country was born out of the polity left behind by the British and the leaders of the new country saw India as the rightful successor to the Raj. In other words a land grabbing and bullying hegemonic imperial power. India is one of the few countries post WWII that has invaded and land grabbed every single of its neighbors and this is why India is hated in its own neigbhood. The most recent land grab is the formal annexation of a part of Nepal when Indian troops start squating there since 1962. This imperial power mindset was reincarnated when the term superpower became part of the geopolitic lexicon and Indians became fixated with this superpower thing ever since.

    http://oneworld.press/?module=articles&action=view&id=1320

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  324. DB Cooper says:
    @Lin


    The hopes of India’s over 1.3 billion people were shattered after their country objectively failed to become the “superpower” that many of their leading “influencers” (read: propagandists) predicted it would be by 2020, with this finally being acknowledged by the popular Hindu nationalist Shiv Sena party last week after it did an about-face by pleading for Trump to reclassify their country as a “developing” one because it “is miles away from the status of developed countries on parameters like education, health, employment, cleanliness and poverty alleviation” and thus supposedly deserves to retain tariff-free access to the American market.

    The shithole is hated by its smaller neighbors because they see India as a bully. India is still coveting Bhutan and the last thing the Bhutanese want to see is their country becomes the next Sikkim, a tiny independent Himalayan kingdom that was annexed by the shithole in 1975.

    • Replies: @Vidi
    , @TT
  325. @Pft

    What is your opinion of Trump (and whoever backs him) in all this?

  326. antibeast says:
    @Lin

    Yes, I agree. In addition to the reasons listed, here’s my top ten reason why India will replace the USA as the world superpower by 2050:

    [MORE]

    1. India has a young population which will surpass China’s aging population by four hundred million by 2050.
    2. India has the largest English-speaking population in the world which makes Indians the ideal workforce for English-speaking Western countries.
    3. India has a Western-style democracy which makes Indians ideologically compatible with White Westerners who share the same passion for freedom and democracy.
    4. India has the highest number of English-speaking college graduates in the world, which makes them an ideal workforce for their knowledge-based service skills which would be in high demand in the English-speaking countries as the white middle-class, college-educated professional workforce retire en masse in the next decade.
    5. India has the highest number of English-speaking doctors in the world, which makes Indian doctors the ideal workforce to take care of the aging white population of English-speaking countries.
    6. India has the highest number of English-speaking IT professionals in the world, which makes Indian IT professionals the ideal workforce to replace the aging IT workforce of English-speaking countries.
    7. India has the highest number of English-speaking lawyers in the world, which makes Indian lawyers the ideal politicians of English-speaking countries who share the same English common law as English-speaking India.
    8. India has the highest number of English-speaking journalists in the world, which makes Indian journalists the ideal journalists of English-speaking countries who believe in the same Western liberal values of freedom of speech and of the press.
    9. India has the highest number of English-speaking CPAs/MBAs in the world, which makes Indian CPAs/MBAs the ideal bean counters for English-speaking countries who share the same passion for corporate profits and neoliberal Capitalism.
    10. India has the biggest entertainment industry in the world, Bollywood, which makes Indian actors/actresses the ideal replacement for aging Hollywood stars/starlets who spend all their time and money on plastic surgery to make them look young and pretty.

    So the next superpower in the world is not China, Japan, EU or Russia but India.

    White people in English-speaking Western countries should learn Yoga, study the Sanskrit, eat Indian curry, watch Bollywood, worship Cows, visit the Taj Mahal and work for Mukesh Ambani, because Indians are their new masters, courtesy of the globalist City-of-London/Wall-Street/Globo-Homo/PC$LGBTQ Empire.

    • LOL: Erebus
  327. denk says:
    @TT

    Gordon Duff

    satanically evil

    Did Gordon Duff says ‘satanic’ ?

    By now it’s open secret FUKUS is ruled by a satanic creed, who believe [[[They]]] are gawd’s chosen people.
    The world is awash with useless eaters, gawd gives them the mandate to decide who should die to make way for the entitled.
    The old must be destroyed, [[[they]]]’d be the king in a pristine planet free of the those teeming turd world mass,.
    Apocalypse now.

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/no-weapon-left-behind-the-american-hybrid-war-on-china/#comment-3743459

  328. denk says:
    @Lin

    Do you think this is a goof up ??

    uncle sham,

    : China, India threat to US!

    https://zeenews.india.com/news/world/panettas-goof-up-china-india-threat-to-us_742459.html

    Me think its a Freudian slip !

    The George Kennan doctrine,

    Brook no competitor.

    China is an ‘enemy’ cuz its a peer competitor.
    India isnt in the same league , yet its naked aspiration to stardom cannot go unnoticed in Washington.

    Indian sinophobes should listen to uncle M Bhrakakumar…

    Be careful what you wish for,
    China’s woes today might be your nightmare, before you know it.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  329. Dule says:
    @cortesar

    You completely forgot to mention the Roman empire of Constantinople that outlived the western empire for 977 years, out of which for over 700 hundred years it was at the pinnacle of human civilization. Actually, the so-called Renaissance started only after the sack and pillage of Constantinople in 1204 by the Crusaders, when bits and peaces of its riches and intellectual achievements were stolen and brought to the West. Certainly, the West refuses to admit not only its grand theft, but even the very existence of such supreme Christian (but non-catholic!) civilization.

  330. Patagonia Man [AKA "PTG Mann"] says:
    @DB Cooper

    Totally agree.

    It will be a long, long time before India ever becomes a superpower, if ever, for the following reasons:
    1. India has done nothing to take responsibility for their population growth rate;
    2. the British saddled India with inefficient state monopolies – and no political party, to date, has been brave enough to reform the public sector (so what they basically have is disguised unemployment);
    3. India’s obscene inequality of wealth (where the ~300 million people who are middle or upper middle class have satisfying lifestyles yet the vast majority of the population, ~50%+ of people still live in poverty) actually acts as a drag on the country’s economic growth (as measured by GDP); and
    4. not to mention said 50%+ who live in towns and villages (not cities) still defecate in the streets.

    The standing international joke about China (which has lifted ~800 million people out of poverty since the 1970s) and India goes: ‘If you want someone to do it, get the Chinese – but if you want somebody to talk about it, get the Indians.’

    And furthermore, the only reason Modi is as popular as he is, is because he’s actually being marketed to an unsuspecting, naive population.

    He is well and truly in the vice-like grip of the Anglo-Zionist empire as his recent pic on Twitter being feted by war criminals Henry Kissinger, Condoleeza Rice, Tony Blair and John Howard reveals.

  331. Patagonia Man [AKA "PTG Mann"] says:
    @Patagonia Man

    I forgot to mention Robert Gates.

    Excellent discussions with these global thought leaders. pic.twitter.com/OPBheNkpPe

    “Global thought leaders”? Now there’s a political use of language ever I’ve heard one!

  332. Anon[397] • Disclaimer says:

    @Ber, #312 said:
    Did Mao Really Kill Millions in the Great Leap Forward?
    by Joseph Ball.

    https://monthlyreview.org/commentary/did-mao-really-kill-millions-in-the-great-leap-forward/

    ——————-

    Thank you for the link! I can’t reply you directly due to my internet, or Chinese GreatFireWall, or my laptop setups, I don’t know which.
    It’s long, it’s in English, it’s a paper! But it worth reading. I go through it by the help of online translate.
    From this paper, I could say that the author Joseph Ball is a decent scholar. This decency is in short of supply among many Chinese scholars/officers when it comes to Mao.
    Smear and slander Mao as much as they want, it won’t work in China since the peasants remembers, and most Chinese people are still children and grandchildren of peasants.
    Peasants talk.
    These children grow up and know the fact that Deng’s grandson and relatives own big money and industry in China and even USA, yet Mao’s son died in Korea war, grandson become the laugh material puppet loser general to his peers who make their winners’ life enjoyable based on corruption and power.

    What a world of lies.
    To those lie spreaders, those who keep surround oneself with lies, it will serve them very well till the day they truly believe in their own lies.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  333. denk says:

    CV19
    One stone kills how many birds ?

    [MORE]

    Controlled demolition of economy
    check

    De-coupling from China
    work still in progress, cant fault them for trying.

    Greatest heist of the century,
    Gengi compensation mark 2
    New eight nations alliance demand reparation from China.
    work in progress

    Global Chinese exclusion Act,
    check
    Chinese , Singaporeans, from teens, students to grandma, abused/taunted/assaulted in
    FUKUS, OZ, CANADA….did I miss anything in NZ ?
    hMMM, THE [[[five liars]]]

    Outta Africa !!
    works in progress
    NIgeria following the Eight nations alliance to sue China in ICJ.
    Tanzania, SA, Kenya…follows OZ’s lead to nullify/renege on BRI contracts, demanding reparation as well.

    It seems only yesterday that USA is the most hated country on earth, with one fell swoop, [[[they]]] turn the table on China, with all oversea Chinese as collateral damages.

    Brilliant, satanically brilliant.

  334. Smith says:

    The China problem will disappear after the USA is defeated.

    China’s SOLE rise to power is through their economy, which is maintained by the global supply chain, guarded by the USA.

    If USA is destroyed, China is forced to invest a lot in its navy and ground force to maintain its global supply line, and they will get into military adventures, and this will doom China when they become world police.

    Culturally, spiritually, China has nothing to offer the world, and its art is getting increasingly worse as their economy improves.

  335. DB Cooper says:
    @Anon

    US did China a favor by killing Mao’s son. Had his son not been killed we won’t just see a Kim dynasty in North Korea but also a Mao dynasty in China. China today would be ruled by Mao’s grandson, just like in North Korea. The cult of Mao is much worst than the cult of Kim.

    One thing is evident. Mao absolutely don’t care about China and the Chinese people. He only cares about himself and he would do whatever it takes to keep himself in power even at the expense of the Chinese nation and the Chinese people.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
    , @Vidi
  336. UK says:

    When there are as many Westerners in China as there are Chinese in the West, I’ll be willing to reconsider my position on the CCP.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  337. DB Cooper says:
    @denk

    The establishment doesn’t have a clue of India’s naked ambition (and I mean in a sinister way) to be the number one hegemon in the world. But I don’t think the shithole will ever become anything other than a bully to its smaller neighbors because it has a ready supplies of hungry filthy rapey low IQ retards that can overwhelm its smaller neighbors. Remember, average Indian IQ is 76.

  338. Lin says:
    @Patagonia Man

    The problems you listed aren’t too different from those of most of the poor 3rd world countries. As a long time observer of Bharat, my observation:
    –India has very short history as a unified and independent entity. That spinning wheel on the indian national flag is NOT Gandhi’s weaving wheel; actually it’s the emblem of King Asoka(lived in 3rd century BC), under his reign, india or at least the northern part was unified. Added to the problem is that traditional hindu notion of governance is localized or atomized that as long as local caste hierarchy is observed, life goes on. Another unpleasant phenomena is their lack of proper historiography; ancient hindu elite were more interested in fairy tales like Mahabharata than keeping history records. https://www.mihirbose.com/index.php/indias-missing-historians/.
    –Lack proper sense of prioritization of objectives, eg they’ve success in establishing an IT enabled service industry for the more educated upper caste but didn’t care much about low-valued added manufacture that can employ a lot more low caste Indians. That’s just one of many examples.
    –To me a patriot is a person who realizes his well beings are linked to those of his country and he identifies with the common people. Seems the indian elite, Modi included, celebrate brain drain: https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2020/feb/21/modi-to-take-up-h1b-visa-civil-nuke-ties-with-trump-2106429.html.
    — What hold a country together? I guess mostly it has to do with things like common language, same ‘race’, share the same sense of destiny and lineage, same religion… Too bad that india is very racially diversed, has 16 national languages, lacks proper historiography…, so little wonder indian nationalism became hindu nationalism for the simple fact that the majority of Indians are hindus and it’s a rallying point against perceived antagonists. Such religious nationalism is like a mental opioid; it’s a pain killer, a stimulant, addictive and excessive doses result in psychosis.

    • Agree: Miro23
    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    , @Malla
  339. DB Cooper says:
    @Lin

    ” ancient hindu elite were more interested in fairy tales like Mahabharata than keeping history records. ”

    It has more to do with a lack of a written language than the interested in fairy tales. Mahabharata is passed down as an oral epic from generations to generations. People memorized and recited this long tale of epic drama usually in a sort of sing song manner as part of a traditional performing art form. This is actually not unique to South Asia. Many central Asian cultures don’t have a written language but have a tradition of reciting long oral epic memorized and passed down from generations to generations. Granted Sanskrit is an ancient language but it is used in a very small area of the country. The majority of the people in India don’t have a written language until fairly recently and that includes the native speaker of the present day Hindi language.

    • Replies: @Lin
    , @Malla
  340. @UK

    Lol. The Chinese CCP is quaking in fear!!! A Zionist internet troll doesn’t like the CCP. Omfgbbq!!!

  341. @DB Cooper

    I think you severely underestimate the other members of the Chinese CCP.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  342. DB Cooper says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    No, not at all. The other members of the CCP are no more couldn’t care less than say politicians of other countries. That is just human nature. People are individuals and membership of a particular organization does not change the integrity or lack thereof of the person in that organization. But Mao was in a position to do the greatest harm to the interest of China. It is under Mao that China concedes the most territory. Mongolia was conceded because Mao’s patron the Soviet Union was instrumental in the independence of Mongolia. South Tibet was invaded and land grabbed by the shithole India under Mao’s watch (even though the PRC never recognized the land grab) and it is because of Mao’s couldn’t careless altitude in China’s territorial integrity that the Jap cretin start coveting the Diaoyutai when the US end its occupation of Japan in 1972. When the Jap cretin said the PRC didn’t make a big fuss when the issue of Diaoyutai first came up in 1972 the Jap cretin have a point. All the islands occupied by the various SE Asian countries in the South China Sea happened under Mao’s watch and this is why we have this mess today.

    • Replies: @Smith
    , @Astuteobservor II
  343. Smith says:
    @DB Cooper

    We have this mess today because of China’s amibition. By pushing the nine dash line, China wants this mess to happen.

    And bring it on.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  344. DB Cooper says:
    @Smith

    We have this mess today because Vietnam is a land grabber. The nine dash line is actually smaller than the eleven dash line which the Republic of China (Taiwan) recognized. Vietnam is the most aggressive land grabber in the South China Sea bar none.

    https://thediplomat.com/2015/06/who-is-the-biggest-aggressor-in-the-south-china-sea/

    An excerpt:

    “In 1996, Vietnam occupied 24 features in the Spratly Islands (source). At that time, according to the same source, China occupied nine. By 2015, according to the United States government, Vietnam occupied 48 features, and China occupied eight.
    On May 13, U.S. Assistant Secretary of Defense, David Shear, said this to the Senate Foreign relations Committee: “Vietnam has 48 outposts; the Philippines, 8; China, 8; Malaysia, 5, and Taiwan, 1.”
    In the past 20 years, according to the United States, China has not physically occupied additional features. By contrast, Vietnam has doubled its holdings, and much of that activity has occurred recently. The Vietnamese occupations appear to have increased from 30 to 48 in the last six years.
    Shear also pointed out that as of his speech, China did not have an airfield as other claimants did. ”

    If you want a primer of who occupy what and when in the South China Sea, this is a good start:

    https://chasfreeman.net/diplomacy-on-the-rocks-china-and-other-claimants-in-the-south-china-sea/

    Don’t feign victimhood because Vietnam is smaller than China. Yes I hope China will bring it on and kick out the Vietnamese squatters on Chinese islands.

    • Replies: @Smith
  345. Lin says:
    @DB Cooper

    Mahabharata is passed down as an oral epic from generations to generations

    But Mahabharata was indeeded written down; how widely circulated is another matter. Chinese buddhist pilgrims did travel to buddhist kingdoms there to fetch buddhist scripture in sanskrit.
    It’s probably a bit more complicate than being an ‘oral tradition’ in early form.
    I read the brits had diciphered a number of lost languages in india.
    Sanskrit was the language of the aryan conquerors.
    A parallel: what % of black south africans know Afrikaan in the modern age of more accessible language media?
    Overall, historiography and language lineage are deficient components of india civilization which hindu nationalists seldom talk about. Or mildly, it’s a feature of traditional governance there.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  346. Smith says:
    @DB Cooper

    Any looking at the map will show the truth. This is their so-called “nine-dash line”, a straight out robbery of all other countries, while these islands literally have jackshit to do with China.

    While Vietnam is accused of being guilty for “grabbing” islands that viets have claimed and inhabited since the Nguyen friggin’ dynasty.

    And can’t wait for it, tbh, the moment chinks are defeated on the sea, that’s the moment their dream is over.

    • Troll: d dan
  347. Vidi says:
    @DB Cooper

    India is still coveting Bhutan and the last thing the Bhutanese want to see is their country becomes the next Sikkim, a tiny independent Himalayan kingdom that was annexed by the [sh*thole] in 1975.

    Indians aren’t insulting Chinese here; why are you insulting Indians?

    You pretend to be Chinese, but what you really are is a slave of the Anglo Zionist Empire. You do what the Empire wants — and you do it shamelessly.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  348. DB Cooper says:
    @Lin

    “But Mahabharata was indeeded written down; how widely circulated is another matter. ”

    Yes Mahabharata was eventually written down when the people who passed it down finally have a written language. But in its earliest form it was memoralized and orally passed down from generations to generations. It is a form of story telling.

    “Chinese buddhist pilgrims did travel to buddhist kingdoms there to fetch buddhist scripture in sanskrit.”

    Thats true but Sanskrit was confined to a small region and has pretty much nothing to do with the speakers of today India’s various language.

    “I read the brits had diciphered a number of lost languages in india.”

    We need to see what the Brits claim they did or didn’t in India with a grain of salt. A lot of the times the dubious Brits has ulterior motives and did things for political purpose. A good example is a pseudo historian by the name of James Prinsep in the Raj era who claimed he has discovered the Mauryan empire by claiming a piece of stone here and there as artifacts and cooked up some fake history. Curiously the territory of the Mauryan empire roughly correspond to the British empire in South Asia. The reason the British did this is that the British found it hard to govern a disparate group of people with no common history, language and who has no affinities to each other and this pseudo history is to try to instill a sense of common community for better governance. This is obvious fake history because according to the British the Mauryan empire stretches all the way to Iran but the Persian historians certainly has never mentioned such an empire in their east. The Persians wrote a lot about the Greeks and vice versa but has never written anything about this supposed Mauryan empire. And if this vast Mauryan empire ever existed shouldn’t the native Indian people themselves has some recollection of its existence instead of being totally oblivion of its existence until told by a foreigner? It is as if the European have never heard of Julius Caesar and the Roman empire until they were told by some non-European. Today the Indians resurrect this fake history (which at that time has been discredited by Indian scholars because they see it as another example of British duplicities) because it now serves their political purpose.

    “A parallel: what % of black south africans know Afrikaan in the modern age of more accessible language media?”

    A more apt example is the Ethiopian written language Amharic. Amharic is a very old language dating back to the Biblical times. In fact one of the four languages the early Bible was written in is Amharic. And Amharic has nothing to do with the speakers of the numerous languages in the Africa continent. Sanskrit is basically to India what Amharic is to Africa. The majority of the people in India historically does not have a written language and this is the reason why India historiography is so lacking.

    • Replies: @Malla
  349. DB Cooper says:
    @Vidi

    India is still occupying South Tibet (since 1951) as we speak. Just worship Mao and go fuck yourself ok?

    • Replies: @Vidi
  350. Vidi says:
    @DB Cooper

    US did China a favor by killing Mao’s son.

    See below.

    One thing is evident. Mao absolutely don’t care about China and the Chinese people. He only cares about himself and he would do whatever it takes to keep himself in power even at the expense of the Chinese nation and the Chinese people.

    If Mao Zedong only cared about himself and his family, why did he send his son to the Korean War? (As the first quote shows, even you admit that he sent his son there.)

    By the way, during the war, the young Mao Anying was only a lieutenant, the lowest rank of officer, in spite of being the Chairman’s son. He died as a lieutenant. The son of the Chairman didn’t get special privileges; I think this proves that Mao Zedong was an honest man.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    , @DB Cooper
  351. Anon[397] • Disclaimer says:

    @DB Cooper
    I see, you are lunatic Taiwanese. That explains all your BS.
    You think Mao have only one son and no other familiar members so once Mao lost the son at Korea, he has no other hope in his blood. So you continue the joke of his dead son suggest China would like another Kim dynasty. Typical Taiwanese mindset.
    At the same time, according to your portrait of Mao as the leader of China who should be so capable at everything that he should have successfully get everything back to China, everything lost under Qing dynasty, under ROC regime, everything China can’t hold during her weakest time, yet Mao miracle should have took them back.
    Mao should have work out all kinds of wonders no matter what circumstances and realities, otherwise he is evil, the biggest evil of all human being of all time.
    Do you see your logic?
    Under your logic, Mao is God.
    God failed you, so he is devil.
    Why are you so lunatic? You are Taiwanese, that explains everything. Deep down you are some lunatic decayed Chinese, you think the leader of China should be either God or devil. Just not a human being. China is neither a country nor nation nor civilization, in your conception it’s either eternal heavenly kingdom or doomed hell. Just not a real world.

    Please wake up and stop your lunatics. Your can appreciate the beauty of a real world no matter how ugly it can get.

  352. DB Cooper says:
    @Vidi

    I am speechless. Mao was a scheming mother fucker piece of shit. Mao Anying was taken special care of during the Korean war by PengDehai but was killed unexpectedly by an ariel bomb. He certainly wasn’t some kind of ordinarily foot soldiers in the front line. For this and Peng’s outspoken manner in the Lushan convention when he pointed out the disaster of the Great Leap Forward Peng paid a heavy price. He was visciously persecuted and died an unnatural death, just like many many others of his long time comrades who ran a foul with this mother fucking piece of shit. An honest man will despise the cult of personality and being chant long live this and long live that, especially given China’s long tradition of imperial rule. Instead Mao personally cultivate the cult of personality and activately encourage people to chant long live. Honest man indeed.

    • Replies: @Vidi
  353. DB Cooper says:
    @Vidi

    Mao was a consummate manipulator. He was briefly out of power for ten years after the Great Leap Forward but manipulated himself back into the number one spot by launching the Cultural Revolution as a pretext and visciously persecuted anyone who could challenged him including his predessesor LiuShaoqi. An honest person will easily be out maneouvered and will not survived much less ruled with basically absolute power till death.

  354. Smith says:

    This Mao vs Deng shit is just hilarious to me. I was right that this ideological founding myth (was it Mao or Deng that birth modern China?) is gonna end China.

    All praise Ho Chi Minh, true leader.

  355. Anon[397] • Disclaimer says:

    @DB Cooper
    So in your illusion, a newly built poor country, outside there are the imperialists cold war ideology divided world, inside full of poorest even some opium addicted peasants with no religion no education no trust no faith but only the mixed tradition from the decayed feudalism empire and half colony warlords rulers warring experience. They should curse their comrade leader to hell, and then what? Follow Taiwan? Follow USA? Follow USSR and become a vassal? Follow your illusionary eternal heavenly kingdom spirit and go back to the decayed feudalism empire? What?
    What’s your point?
    Mao successfully transformed the mindset of the biggest mass population. People start to believe something like equality, some Max dreams, some modernity industry targets. Whatever solutions, better than your illusions.
    Idol warship is in the blood of Chinese more than millenniums. See those gods of Chinese tales and genesis myth, those gods are originally human beings that lead people out of disasters. They become gods among the people because of their great deeds. Talk about traditions!
    One ordinary people do something great—other common people see him as model/god—trust him,remember him, follow him—common people also see the possibility of themselves become a model/god—thus the whole team of population get the chance to go next level
    This sober logic of Chinese people is much more helpful than your lunatics.
    You lunatic mindset keep confusing yourself.

    You suggest Mao revenged Peng for his dead son. You mean Mao and CCP should be the special regime in Chinese history that the first ruler don’t kill/torture his pals after the team acquire the dominion while the internal pollical conflicts drastically grow nasty over different interest and political ideas as always?

    Wake up, wake up, wake up!

    • Replies: @Smith
  356. Smith says:
    @Anon

    Wake up and worship Mao, really?

    I’d sooner worship Lin Biao.

    • Troll: d dan
  357. Anon[397] • Disclaimer says:

    @DB Cooper
    I just know it, you will go on with culture revolution topic.
    No matter how mess up and chaotic the revolution became, more and more Chinese nowadays have realized that without the culture revolution, China would have long gone to oligarch economic & politic, and collapse and surrender way before USSR.
    Culture revolution is a lesson Mao take and give:
    to the elite in China: you are still one of the people, no matter who you are.
    to the people in China: you have power in front of any elite, any tradition, any rule.
    Culture revolution is the vaccine Chinese took before the color revolution. It works also with side effect. Nothing is free for China. Price paid.

    @Smith
    I only want my own fellowman to wake up from lies about Mao and China, from lunatic dreams, to realize the real China, real Mao.
    It doesn’t matter to you Vietnamese. You don’t need to wake up from anything. You can join their lies and go on with your unique illusion as you wish. You are free to do that. Yes please.

    You can join any team you want. West white, East Asia, pick your side as you like. Small country like yours have the right to pick side. Big country like China can’t pick side, but only her own side to stand for.
    You hate commie, you hate China, you hate your leader, you hate your skin, you hate you history.
    Your life is f**ked so you are free to do that.
    You don’t offer any solution but surrenders. You only have mouth and fingers in function, because you brain f**ked.
    Yes, please, go on kissing USA, kissing white ass. They will come in your pretty yellow face.
    Yes you can betray everything of your ancestors and emigrant to their promising land. Yes your grandson will be white enough to s**k a white c**k.
    Maybe you are already there. You run fast, don’t you?

    Want to destroy a nation? Destroy her record of history, destroy her memory of heroes, of leaders. Destroy her confidence about herself, her path, her continuity, her narrative.
    Make up lies, repeat it, repeat it, repeat it. Fool her people.But if you fail to fool others, you may end up fool yourself. Watch out.

    @Smith
    What do you really know about Mao, except all the lies they fed you? What do you really know about China, except all the lies you choose to believe?
    What concrete thing can you say about Mao’s China except all those lies you eat and vomit? Or just more simply curse as you did?

  358. @DB Cooper

    You are severely underestimating other members of the CCP.

    This is entirely base on my own reading n reasoning. Mao was untouchable because of what he did for China. Ending the century of humiliation. I 100% doubt his sons or relatives had the same halo effect. Wasn’t that why the gang of four was ousted n jailed or executed?

    About the various border wars. Kinda hard for China to do anything with USA and USSR hounding it’s door steps. China did really well considering the situation it was in. That island was only an issue because USA wanted to stink up the free trade agreement between China Japan and south Korea. Same with the SK comfort women issue. That was a masterful move by USA.

  359. @Smith

    Honest question, do you think Vietnam can really go up against China? Even with US backing? And please don’t give me propaganda lines.

    • Replies: @Smith
  360. Anon[397] • Disclaimer says:

    @Smith

    To your bad luck, the Mao or Deng that birth modern China topic is not gonna to end China.
    Because both CCP and Chinese people are wise enough to realize the continuality and inherit relationship between Mao and Deng. They have balanced credits and controversial errors in our record, so we stop discuss about it anymore. We know our focus and we concentrate on present and the future, instead of tangle on the past.

    But to our bad luck, we do have many lunatic Chinese(Taiwanese, oversea Chinese, brain washed Chinese, ABC double face parasites, etc.)

    That’s why whenever I have a chance, I debate with them. Try to make a voice so that they won’t be all fed up with lies from their surroundings.

    West favor in Deng, not only because they hate Mao and commie, also because they are in the fantasy that Deng’s spirit will lead China to full surrender, from economically to politically.
    They don’t know, Deng inherit Mao, Deng’s economic policy of open up inherit Mao’s early plans about China which Mao don’t have the chance/environment to carry out, Deng was kept alive during all his ups and downs exactly because Mao see him as other potential successor for future.

    So the steps are: slander Mao, slander commie, slander Chinese political system, slander modern China path, China give up just the way USSR did.
    What a beautiful dream.

    No one here except me and @Ber really cared about the lie of 35 million death.
    No one read the link, simply go on with curse Mao and continue the lies.
    Without thinking about that if people can lie about 35 million life to slander Mao, what else they won’t lie about Mao?

  361. antibeast says:
    @Smith

    While Vietnam is accused of being guilty for “grabbing” islands that viets have claimed and inhabited since the Nguyen friggin’ dynasty.

    Dude, you forgot the Champa Kingdom which existed before that friggin’ Nguyen proclaimed himself the Emperor of Dai Nam. Here’s its Wikipedia entry:

    Champa or Tsiompa (Cham: Campa; Vietnamese: Chăm Pa) was a collection of independent Cham polities that extended across the coast of what is today central and southern Vietnam from approximately the 2nd century AD before being absorbed and annexed by Vietnamese Emperor Minh Mạng in AD 1832. The kingdom was known variously as nagara Campa (Sanskrit: नगरः चम्पः; Khmer: ចាម្ប៉ា) in the Chamic and Cambodian inscriptions, Chăm Pa in Vietnamese (Chiêm Thành in Sino-Vietnamese vocabulary) and 占城 (Zhànchéng) in Chinese records.

    The Chams of modern Vietnam and Cambodia are the remnants of this former kingdom. They speak Chamic languages, a subfamily of Malayo-Polynesian closely related to the Malayic and Bali–Sasak languages.

    The political entity called “Vietnam” annexed the Champa Kingdom which had ruled over what is now Central and Southern Vietnam until 1832, followed by the French who later colonized Vietnam in 1883 until after WWII. Under the Treaty of Taipei, Japanese invaders then handed the Paracel and Spratly Islands over to the Republic of China which had moved its capital to Taiwan after the Communist victory in mainland China. In other words, the only time Vietnam ruled the former territories of the Champa Kingdom was during the period from 1832 to 1883 for a total of 51 years!!! Vietnam could not possibly claim the Paracel and Spratly Islands prior to 1832 because Champa faced the South China Sea before landlocked Vietnam. The same issue invalidates the other claimants such as the Philippines which didn’t exist as a political entity until after WWII. The Sultan of Sulu (which was never part of Spanish Philippines) claims the island of Palawan facing the South China Sea, thereby invaliding whatever claims the Philippines makes today. Both the Champa Kingdom and the Sultan of Sulu are seafaring States in Southeast Asia with a history of maritime trade with China which could allow them to assert sovereign claims over the Paracel and Spratly Islands. But both the Champa Kingdom and the Sultan of Sulu ceased to exist as political entities after their annexation by Vietnam and the Philippines, respectively, thereby nullifying whatever sovereign claims they might have over those offshore islands based on their political and economic history in the South China Sea.

  362. Aster says:
    @TT

    Nobody can believ that chinese results are much better than koreans or japonese they are very limited samples from very limited regions .
    And it doent matter 99% of all the teorical and practical scientific aplications are all developed in the west .

  363. Aster says:
    @SafeNow

    If you care soo much about eficiency china should open the gates to all smart people around the world high iq indians and europeans ,jews, persians…..
    Not even han chinese could stand the inmigration of all the smart people in the world without trasforming thenselfs in a powerless minority in 100 years
    But of course it never gonna happen only a retard would sacrifice his country for shorth term eficiency

  364. Smith says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Yes?

    All Vietnam needs to do is get China into a landwar quagmire and shooting down chinese ships.

    China has more to lose by fighting in Vietnam than vice versa.

    @ antibeast:
    Vietnam annexed Champa via military and political marriage, and thus claim its territory , this was since the Le Dynasty, and up to Nguyen dynasty, Vietnam has claimed these islands and inhabited them.

    Japanese have no say in this matter, since the Viet Minh revolted and took back the government and thus the japs have no right to give away any islands.

    @ Anon[397]
    Do I really need to slander Mao? Mao speaks for himself, he betrays the USSR, he betrays vietnamese, he shakes hands with Nixon and Kissinger and laughs about sending chink women to the USA. Meanwhile, his army is outdated until Deng takes over past-1980s and opens up to the USA, all of Commie China’s foundation is built upon the Soviet and then the USA.

    Mao is no Stalin and Mao is no Ho Chi Minh, just a scoundrel.

    And LOL Deng following Mao, Deng was purged by Mao MANY TIMES and the Gang of four were literal Maoist being purged by Deng when he gets to power, there’s bad blood between them and their style of ruling is completely different from each other. And tbh, China deserves both of them.

  365. @Smith

    Damn, this will teach me to ask a serious question on some random retarded troll.

    • Agree: d dan, Patagonia Man
  366. Lin says:
    @Smith

    All Vietnam needs to do is get China into a landwar quagmire and shooting down chinese ships

    Look, (let me repeat what I said before)Vietnam is a narrow strip of land and N vietnam is 400 km within china island Hainan and that’s within range of Chinese multi-barrel artillery rockets.

    Vietnam annexed Champa via military and political marriage, and thus claim its territory , this was since the Le Dynasty,

    Haha…..

    All China needs to do is get Vietnam into a landwar quagmire …..

    • Replies: @Smith
  367. Daniel H says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    The immigrants and the elites who invite them here are both major problems. America is now about as functional as a step-family or foster-family.

    Step-family, foster-family, that is a good way of putting it, but this will be a feature of America going forward, forever. Drop the fantasy of immigrants and/or their descendants returning to their lands of national origin (either willingly or by force). It’s not going to happen, ever.

    Going forward, we have to get used to limping. We have to recognized that to a great extent we are crippled, and adjust our horizons accordingly.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @OilcanFloyd
  368. Daniel H says:

    The Chinese have now picked all the low hanging fruit, and it will become harder for them to sustain growth with no natural resources, pressing population problems, and now the spectre of national debt crisis. China is just a giant Wal-mart.

    Better:

    The USA has now picked all the low hanging fruit, and it will become harder for them to sustain growth with diminishing natural resources, pressing population problems, and now the spectre of national debt crisis. The USA is just a giant Wal-mart, that China happens to supply.

  369. Vidi says:
    @DB Cooper

    India is still occupying South Tibet (since 1951) as we speak.

    No, that is only an excuse for your hostility. If one issue won’t do, you will seize another. If not one country, then another. (I noticed your attacks on Japan, but I was too busy to respond then.)

    You pretend to be a Chinese, but your job as slave of the Anglo Zionist Empire is to serve the Empire’s interests, not China’s, You raise as much hostility as possible between mainland China and her neighbors. You don’t care whether you do it with truth or lies, as you are entirely shameless.

    Just worship Mao

    I just tell the truth about Mao Zedong. I have caught you spreading vicious lies about him, exactly as the Anglo Zionist Empire would want; I want to fix that. And I don’t care if being exposed as a liar bothers you, O slave of the Empire.

  370. TT says:
    @Lin

    That VID Bollywood propagandist has overemphasized his AmE accent. He is deemed STUPID in all his 8 Points because:

    “India was a SUPERPOWER since 2012”, India most revered ex-Prez Kalam. India has already surpassed China, challenging US by 2020″, BJP M Swamy.
    https://scroll.in/article/948319/india-superpower-2020-tracing-the-brief-history-of-a-spectacularly-incorrect-prediction

    [MORE]

    In 2008, a decade after his book was published, Kalam (India most revered Missile Man & ex-Prez) brought forward India’s rendezvous date with superpowerdom to 2012. “Though I have envisioned India to become a superpower by 2020, the attitude and the confidence of the youth, to conquer everything in the right spirit, would make the country a global leader and super power within five years,” the by-then former president said with an admirable sense of self-belief.

    BJP MP Subramanian Swamy
    @Swamy39
    By next Deepavali we patriots will have much to celebrate. By 2020 India would have overtaken China, and economically challenge US. Jai Hind

    This is 2020 India.
    India proved its military might with its first and only indigenous best fighter jet after 35yrs development. Tejas.

    http://www.youtube.com.sg/watch?v=NN8QHrQDx5Y

    India 2020: ‘Superpower’ or Still ‘Super Poor’?
    By Andrew Korybko
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/india-2020-superpower-still-super-poor/5704107

    Trumps Calls India’s “Superpower” Bluff. US recently reclassified India as a “developed economy” ahead of Trump’s visit. $5 Billion In Economic Restrictions Got Shiv Sena To Switch Their Narrative.

    Shiv Sena, forgetting all about everything that it had said in the previous years about India’s supposedly imminent “superpower” status, furiously lashed out at the US last week by describing its move as “a big blow to our economy…a big crisis for India.”

    By 2050, PWC projected GDP(PPP)
    China GDP = $103T.
    India GDP =$50T, based on Inda perpetual above 8% growth rate.
    https://qphs.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b41a64db0c44e200ba359f8630c60c3e

    Does India have a second chance to replicate China to become the global centre for manufacturing considering the trade-war between the US and China?
    https://www.quora.com/Does-India-have-a-second-chance-to-replicate-China-to-become-the-global-centre-for-manufacturing-considering-the-trade-war-between-the-US-and-China/answer/Thomas-Edward-71

    Never. No one in the world can ever replicate China global manufacturing hub status now, which is projected to grow to global 50% capacity by 2030.

    Although India has a same huge 1400M population like China, its fast growing poor population is in fact India’s greatest liability instead.

    India will never be a superpower, but very likely to implode in 2 decades. Why?
    https://www.quora.com/Will-India-be-the-number-1-superpower-as-US-India-propagate-or-implode-with-1-6B-unemployable-poorly-educated-population-by-2030/answer/Thomas-Edward-71

    India $2.7T GDP(equal to China export) growing at current 7.5% rate will need increase to 30% to outpace China $13.5T GDP growth at 6.5% in actual amount, or 127yrs to surpass China. So these West & Indian experts propaganda is obvious to debunk. India can never surpass China GDP in 100yrs even its lucky to keep growing.

    http://www.acting-man.com/?p=48501

    The so called India “young population bonus” is in fact a monster that will turn back to haunt & devour up India in 20yrs time with so much problems. Should India failed to create 20M new jobs every year to employ its explosive growing population, social unrest & crimes can become serious problems.

    Will Indians dominate the world?
    https://www.quora.com/Will-Indians-dominate-the-world/answer/Thomas-Edward-71

    In today’s world, Weapon of Mass Destruction is no longer the deadliest weapon to invade another nation or dominate the world, it’s
    Weapons of Mass Migration: Are You a Target?

    WMM in short is a weapon applied by a huge population nation like India that systematically export their many millions of people into another countries to work & live, applied for its citizenship to form the largest vote swing, gradually occupy their gov important positions, and eventually overwhelm them to replace the entire host nation.

    When these India huge population of 1380M hit the road towards your country, you can understand how this lethal deadliest weapon can work.

    Also its a ZUS-Indian propaganda that are spreading the myth that India will surpass US & China in economy to become No.1 superpower, or Indians are the smartest to lead all West big corps.

    Which country, if any, is poised to become the next superpower?
    https://www.quora.com/Which-country-if-any-is-poised-to-become-the-next-superpower/answer/Thomas-Edward-71

  371. Vidi says:
    @DB Cooper

    Mao Anying was taken special care of during the Korean war by PengDehai but was killed unexpectedly by an ariel bomb.

    If Mao Zedong was so concerned about his son’s privileges, why was the young man only a Lieutenant in the Korean War, not a General?

    To me, the most important fact is that Mao Zedong did not protect his oldest son, but sent him to the war. To me, that is proof of Mao’s love for China. That the young man was only a Lieutenant, the lowest officer rank, proves that his father was an honest man.

    [Mao was evil, blah blah blah]

    You were lying about Mao and Zhou Enlai, and I proved it. I doubt you are being any more honest now.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  372. TT says:
    @DB Cooper

    The real India that West MSM don’t want the World to know.

    India invaded every single neighbors and lands its can reach since 1947.
    https://www.quora.com/Did-Indians-invade-or-rule-any-country-in-the-past/answer/Thomas-Edward-71

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    “India had previously been lecturing the world about the virtues of nonviolence, President Kennedy told the Indian ambassador to the US, “You spend the last fifteen years preaching morality to us, and then you go ahead and act the way any normal country would behave… People are saying, the preacher has been caught coming out of the brothel.”[77]

    Nehru said: ” Let India be strong and be able to assume the leadership of Asia, which is its right”( P.D.Saggi, Life & Works of Vallabhbhai Patel, Bombay n.d.p.89).

    On 7 November 1950, Patel wrote to Nehru: “the undefined state of the frontier (in the north and north-east) and the existence on our side of the population with its affinities to Tibetans or Chinese have all the elements of potential trouble between China and ourselves…Our northern or north-eastern approaches consist of Nepal, Bhutan, Sikkim, Darjeeling(area) and tribal areas in Assam…

    The people inhabiting these portions have no established loyalty or devotion to India”. So he proposed that “political and administrative steps” should be taken “to strengthen our northern and north-eastern frontiers. This would include the whole of the border, i.e., Nepal, Bhutan, Sikkim, Darjeeling and the tribal territory in Assam”(Durga Das,ed. Sardar Patel’s Correspondence, vol.X,pp.337-8,340).

    Toeing in the line of Nehru that small nationalities are bound to be doomed to pave the way for the creation of the ‘Indian nation’, Patel advocated the establishment of Indian domination over all these countries and regions in the north and the north-east.

    Did above famous quote of India founding fathers reveal India had long harbouring ambitious to be Asia leader as its birth right, and determined to invade all neighbours, esp all the Chinese ethnic borderlands of China that it deemed will not be loyal to brown Indians?

  373. Anonymous[432] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel H

    We can still spark a civil war that will wreck their lives forever beyond repair and then we’ll see how much they like it here.

  374. Wielgus says:
    @Vidi

    Mao Anying had trained as a Russian interpreter and was probably sent to Korea to communicate with Soviet diplomats and military personnel, and perhaps also with Soviet-trained North Koreans.

  375. @Mefobills

    The Jews were OK with China when it was making them rich, but now they feel threatened … in the same way they were threatened by the American system which they undermined in 1912.

    You by this had already answered the question the always prescient Andrew Anglin asked today:

    https://dailystormer.su/china-is-going-to-bury-the-united-states-in-this-new-world/

    I now believe that there is no way to deny that the US Government has staged this lockdown in order to strip people of their rights, collapse the economy and create a permanent police state where people are broke and living in a state of fear and chaos.

    Although it is easy to see why the Jews that run our government would want to create such a situation, the reason I was having a hard time accepting it is that the dynamics of this mean that China is going to be the dominant global power going forward.

    But the US has done this on purpose, and what that indicates is that the US is planning to have a war with China in the very immediate future. Like, before the election.

    Remember: all they have to do is sink a boat.

    Then try to think of any reason they would be doing that other than that they want this economy as destroyed as it possibly can be.

    If you sit until you think of any other possible explanation, you’re going to be sitting a very long time.

    This is on purpose. They are doing this on purpose.

    I am unable to believe that part of this insane agenda is to turn over total control of the planet to the Chinese, so the only thing that makes any sense at all is that they’re planning a war.

    So, get ready for that, I guess.

  376. Smith says:
    @Lin

    Yeah, because bombing Vietnam will win the war. Remember when the US did that?

    • Replies: @Lin
  377. @Daniel H

    Drop the fantasy of immigrants and/or their descendants returning to their lands of national origin (either willingly or by force). It’s not going to happen, ever.

    The fantasy is believing that the current situation can last. History is full of people being moved around. The squatters were allowed in, and they can be moved out. It’s happened before.

  378. Anon[397] • Disclaimer says:

    @Smith
    Can you just read yourself again, please.
    You are exactly dreaming in your unique illusions, as what I have said.

    ‘ Mao speaks for himself, he betrays the USSR, he betrays vietnamese, he shakes hands with Nixon and Kissinger and laughs about sending chink women to the USA. Meanwhile, his army is outdated until Deng takes over past-1980s and opens up to the USA, all of Commie China’s foundation is built upon the Soviet and then the USA.’

    What betray? As leader of China, it’s impossible for Mao to betray USSR or Vietnam. Because Mao only need to be loyal to Chinese people. Mao can not be accused of betray USSR or Vietnam because he is not the leader of USSR or Vietnam. Just imagine that a Chinese accusing Trump betray China. OMG! OMG! OMG!
    By the way, it’s the same logic that Putin can not be accused of betray China. Simply because Putin is not Chinese Chairman.

    Mao Shake hands with Nixon and Kissinger, what’s wrong with that? Are they infectious? Mao should not shake hands with them? Oh my!

    Mao make jokes about many things. It’s his style. Send enough Chinese to any other country would be very scary to that country (maybe not India). So it’s also other country’s bless that China is a safe place for most Chinese to live in, and majority Chinese don’t immigrant to other country. You can’t get it? Go EU, go Paris, you will get it.

    You suggest the poorest country at the time to maintain an updated army. Interesting idea.
    Mao’s outdated army go to Korea against USA lead UN army. With the outdated army, Mao still managed to sustain general peace and safety within China during the cold war.

    Are Soviet and USA idiots in your mind? They come to China to build China, why did they do that? Have you ever think about that? What did Mao and other Chinese do to let that happen? Is it so that in your illusions, Chinese sleeps away and wake up to see that how well China is built by USSR and USA, er, not good enough, so let’s take another nap to see it later? Ah, finally the good USSR and good USA finished their hard work of building China, now the Chinese can get up to enjoy it. I guess the same thing is happening now in Vietnam. Good USA and good Chinese is there building Vietnam, right?

    Got purged so many times by Mao, why was Deng still alive to come back to power again and again and again? Deng had spare life in his pocket? You don’t read history, do you?

    I don’t know many things about Stalin, no much about Ho Chi Minh, so I shut up about that.

    @Smith
    You have a mindset of kid. Illusionary thinking.
    I will stop discuss anything with you. It’s not my duty to educate you.
    Hope you and your Vietnam fellows grow up and see the true color of this world.

    • Replies: @Smith
  379. Smith says:
    @Anon

    So let me educate you.

    And yes, China betrays the USSR, the USSR-China-Vietnam-Cuba and such are the Marxist alliance and have solidarity. China is the weak link and their split destroys the USSR.

    Mao splits from the USSR due to ideological differences, Deng attacks Vietnam on false charges, and now modern China wants to grab the South East Asian sea, meanwhile Mao “jokes” about sending his whores abroad (and it’s not a joke, that is still happening, worldwide).

    Mao’s outdated army comprises of infantries beat the americans, then again, we viets also beat the americans and we are also outdated compared to the americans. The difference is that Vietnam is low on resources and has a 30-55 million manpower and is on constant warfare, meanwhile China is vast, has 900mil to 1.3bil manpowers, has resources, not in war and yet is still the “poorest” country. Quite funny.

    And here’s the truth: Vietnam has grown up since the we beat the chinks in the Ly dynasty, when will YOU grow up and abandon your imperial ambition, I wonder?

    • Troll: d dan
  380. Lin says:
    @Smith

    Yeah, because bombing Vietnam will win the war. Remember when the US did that?

    There’s no need to bomb B52 style. Just launch a large number of guided rockets and drones to hit Vietnam key industrial and military assets. North Vietnam has no defense in depth with respect to china. Right now Vietnam imports electricity from china.

    • Replies: @Smith
  381. Anonymous[798] • Disclaimer says:
    @bluefire

    The next form for European, and all non-Jewish humanity submission is Islam.

    Let us assume, for the sake of argument, that this is possible. HOW exactly will it happen? It certainly shows no sign of happening now.

    For Islam to spread outside of its borders now, the first requirement is for the core identities of non-Islamic civilizations to crumble, as occurred when the Classical paradigm no longer served the needs of late-antiquity Europeans, and Christianity arose.

    Is there any evidence of weakening identity in East Asia or in India? It seems the opposite is true today. Is Islam gaining coverts even in South East Asia or in South America? There is no indication of it.

    Islam is patient, but the cultures of East Asia and South and South-East Asia are equally patient. So time will tell.

  382. Smith says:
    @Lin

    You know, exactly like what US did with B52, did that win for the US?

    The lucky thing with chink arm chair generals is that they think exactly like americans, just bomb “key buildings” to ashes then the locales will go out and worship their feet, just like what happened in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Syria and Lybia.

  383. @Smith

    You must be the paid for shit stain assigned to derail the comments section on this fine article by Ron.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
  384. antibeast says:
    @Smith

    Vietnam annexed Champa via military and political marriage, and thus claim its territory , this was since the Le Dynasty, and up to Nguyen dynasty, Vietnam has claimed these islands and inhabited them.

    So you’re now admitting that Vietnam didn’t own those islands because Champa owned them in the past? By the way, Champa sought protection from China after Vietnam waged imperialist wars of aggression against them. To Champa, China = good while Vietnam = bad. Same with Cambodia.

    Japanese have no say in this matter, since the Viet Minh revolted and took back the government and thus the japs have no right to give away any islands.

    Both the French and the Japanese acknowledged China’s sovereignty over those offshore islands after WWII. Remember that the French wanted to move back to Vietnam while the Americans helped them but both were defeated by the Vietnamese with Chinese support. And the Vietnamese did acknowledge Chinese sovereignty over those offshore islands during the Vietnam War. Only after Vietnam invaded Cambodia did China withdrew its support for Vietnam as did ASEAN.

  385. China is proof that American expertise can change a large country from extreme poverty to unbelievable wealth by practicing free enterprise and anybody that has visited China will confirm.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  386. Lin says:
    @Smith

    just bomb “key buildings” to ashes then the locales will go out and worship their feet, just like what happened in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Syria and Lybia.

    You can’t tell the difference? Agent orange has done more damage to your(or your parents’) brain than I thought.

    –The yanks bombed those places to suppress certain ideologies, like communism, islam, arab nationalism or on behalf of israeli interests. Vietnam(back then) and afganistan had very little industrial assets. Those 2 wars required massive logistics.
    –China and Vietnam have a common border. I’m sure china can make huge amount of rockets and drones quick. Another China-VN war will be fought over other matter like VN invasion of Laos/Cambodia…or over some islands of S.China Sea.

  387. thetruth says:
    @Smith

    white trash like you cannot even tell the U.S. did NOT win at Viet Nam! how pathetic!

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @Daemon
  388. @Daniel Johnson

    Lol. I guess that is one way to comfort one’s self.

    Always your fault, always to my credit.

    Now that I think about it, that eerily sounds like Christianity.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  389. @JDTrader

    Well, genetic testing now confirms what was already observable with the naked eye. Sicilians in fact have Arab and North African genetic contribution that is substantial — and is far more than mainland Italians (like some of my ancestors), who typically had and have very little.

    So the mafia would tend to be people first and foremost of Italian genetics, but often with a meaningful amount of African and more so characteristically Arab genes. Greek, not so much.

  390. @Astuteobservor II

    Not the Christianity that I’ve learned, either as a Catholic or more recently as a Protestant, but of course there are many groups calling themselves Christians.

    A better objection to Christianity would seem to be 180 degrees opposite that one.

    It would make more sense to object to the “turn the other cheek” and “don’t care about tomorrow” counsel of Christianity. Christians have gone to great lengths trying to explain his those phrases shouldn’t be interpreted in the way the plain meaning of the words would suggest— and without such “explanations” of “context” and what they “really” meant in Aramaic, Hebrew or Greek, they are immoral and just plain stupid advice.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  391. @thetruth

    In some 1990s movie, maybe A Fish Called Wanda, Kevin Kline played “the ugly American” and told a British character “at least Americans are winners.”

    When the Brit taunted “oh yeah, winners, like in Vietnam??”, Kline shrieked back, “stop it, Vietnam was a TIE !!!”

    • Agree: Wielgus
    • Replies: @Wielgus
  392. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    Not true, there were written languages in India from ancient times, check out Ashoka’s edicts. Of course only a tiny percentage of the population could read and write.
    The truth is the ancient language deserving respect is Prakrit not Sanskrit. Prakrit was the ancient language and the name Prakrit comes from ‘Prakriti’ which means nature, in other words Prakrit is ‘Natural Speech’. Sanskrit comes from the term ‘Sanskar’ which means culture or in other words Sanskrit is ‘Cultured Speech’. Sanskrit is an artificial but a more perfected language presumably created by Brahmans for rituals and the writing of knowledge and most probably not a normal language of every day communication. That is not only because the lower castes were forbidden to speak Sanskrit, women too were forbidden in the past to speak Sanskrit. How could a natural language spoken by the population work where women in the household did not speak or understand the language?
    That is why the Buddha gave his messages in Pali, a dialect of Prakrit instead of Sanskrit (Sanskrit may not have even existed at the time) so that people could understand.
    It may even happen that Sanskrit is not the mother language after all (it was most probably Prakrit) and was even more recent in origin (AD period not BC). There are stones with the edicts of Emperor Ashoka where eddicts are written in Prakrit, Greek and even Aramaic !!!! but not in Sanskrit. That would have been impossible if Sanskrit would have been in existence. Also Aramaic was the Pali to Hebrew and thus Jesus mostly spoke in Aramaic, the common man’s speech. Strange similarities in between Gautam Buddha and Jesus Christ. Aramaic was also the common speech in the Persian Empire.

    Indian history being all fables and nonsense has nothing to do with lack of written knowledge it has everything to do with tendencies of Indians to make bombastic claims and to manipulate history to suit fantasies. And most of all, Brahmins dominated this field of history (itihasa), just like Jews bombastically claimed B.S. about how all the Greek philosophers “learnt everything” from Moses, brahmins write up fantasies to suit their agenda and ego and that is presented as history. LOL.
    It was only when Muslims came that real history was written and it was only when the British came that some real pre-Islamic history was found out, like Emperor Ashoka for example.

  393. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    We need to see what the Brits claim they did or didn’t in India with a grain of salt. A lot of the times the dubious Brits has ulterior motives and did things for political purpose. A good example is a pseudo historian by the name of James Prinsep in the Raj era who claimed he has discovered the Mauryan empire by claiming a piece of stone here and there as artifacts and cooked up some fake history. Curiously the territory of the Mauryan empire roughly correspond to the British empire in South Asia. The reason the British did this is that the British found it hard to govern a disparate group of people with no common history, language and who has no affinities to each other and this pseudo history is to try to instill a sense of common community for better governance. This is obvious fake history because according to the British the Mauryan empire stretches all the way to Iran but the Persian historians certainly has never mentioned such an empire in their east. The Persians wrote a lot about the Greeks and vice versa but has never written anything about this supposed Mauryan empire.

    B.S. The Maurian Empire and Emperor Ashoka existed. We have enough proof with, rock engravings throughout the subcontinent. Agreed that it’s reach may not have been as big assumed by many but it definitely existed. It may have been smaller in geographical reach.
    The people had forgotten about Emperor Ashoka because the Brahmins after destroying Buddhist India destroyed all its signs and symbols. They tried to scrub Buddhism out of the minds of other Indians for ever. Most Hindu temples in India, including many famous ones are built on the site of earlier Buddhist Pagodas. Recently a temple in South India collapsed and lo and behold there was a Buddhist temple below it. They have found Mauryan stone inscriptions below other temples that had nothing to do with Hinduism (Brahmanism). India was once a Buddhist nation and Ancient India’s golden period was a Buddhist Golden period. The ancient Universities of Nalanda was Buddhist not Hindu. These Brahmins conspired to destroy Buddhist India completely from India and scrub out its history. Buddhist Pagodas destroyed and Hindu temples built over them.
    Explain me this how is it that Buddhism spread to so many countries including Japan, Korea, China, Vietnam, Thailand etc… but more or less disappeared from India? How is that possible? It was destroyed that is why. It survived only in Sri Lanka and the regions of the Indian subcontinent bordering Tibet (Bhutan, Ladakh etc…).
    The Brahmins then made up this Hinduism calling it Sanatan Dharma, a ‘religion which existed from the beginning of time’, made up fairy tale history, called the new holy books Purans. Puran comes from ‘Purana’ or old. They are trying to advertise that these new holy books are very very old. Why would you have to advertise that? Because these new books are not old, they were recent. Present day Hinduism is not Vedic Hinduism but Puranic Hinduism.
    They made Buddha a avatar of Hindu God Vishnu which was never claimed by Buddha. Even the name of Gautam Buddha as a prince, ‘Siddhartha’ is suspect. Gautama Buddha was an Indo-Scythian. The name Siddhartha was given centuries after he existed and most probably was not his real name.

    • Thanks: Miro23
  394. Malla says:
    @Lin

    To me a patriot is a person who realizes his well beings are linked to those of his country and he identifies with the common people. Seems the indian elite, Modi included, celebrate brain drain:

    They celebrate brain drain because they know that 90% of Indians wherever we settle will always be loyal to mother India even after generations. We are not like German immigrants who would integrate into a country like America in a short time. Indian nationalists actually want millions of Indians to go to all the nations of the world and take over these nations from inside. Only fools like the British or Japanese build empires by invading and having millions of soldiers killed in battle. We can build an empire by exporting our excess population who will become fifth columns within nations. And that many Indians are settling in developed White countries, countries with such advanced technology, wealth and military fill the hearts of Indian nationalists with gleeeee.
    The diaspora will also send money from form those cursed foreign nations and send it back to mother India and some of that money could be used to build Hindutva Superpower India. People do not know how much money comes from outside into the coffers of Hindu fundamentalist RSS, a lot of money. Using the money of the hated foreigner mleccha barbarians to build our Hindu superpower, isn’t that awesome!?!?

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
    , @Anon
    , @Lin
    , @TT
  395. Daemon says:
    @thetruth

    He aint even white. Just a viet ultranationalist.

  396. Daemon says:
    @Smith

    The chinese didn’t just bomb ‘key buildings’ hoping you’d submit. They leveled and looted your northern industrial centers so badly you had to spend 20 years of valuable time rebuilding it, enough to make sure you missed the benefits of globalisation right at its peak.

    Then they kicked the ladder after they had ascended it. Now the whole world knows how the game works and never again will they let another country (let alone a communist asian country) build themselves up like the chinese did. You will never be able to leverage cheap labor for crucial technology like your bigger brother did and therefore will be stuck forever with the lower margin manufacturing (in factories owned by the chinese).

    If it makes you feel any better, at least you ‘won’ the war.

  397. Wielgus says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Kevin Kline’s character is also spectacularly stupid. Jamie Lee Curtis’s character corrects certain errors of his, such as thinking that the London Underground is a political movement.

  398. After so many years still using railway system that English built for you?

    • Replies: @Daemon
  399. Daemon says:
    @Zarathustra

    Financed. The railway system the English financed. The english didn’t build shit in China.

    Besides, if Chinese labor was good enough for the transcontinental railroads, it’s good enough for the chinese themselves.

  400. @TG

    Americans are just exceptional packers.

  401. @RadicalCenter

    Then you would be one of the few who are different.

    I am not attacking Christians, but it has been my experience that Christians attribute everything good in their life to God n Jesus. Everything bad on themselves.

    Not sure if that is true of other religions.

  402. @Malla

    If true, you are learning very well from the Jewish playbook. And there is no curry ceiling in the USA.

  403. Anon[332] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    Indians aren’t loyal to ‘Mother India.’ They are loyal to their caste.

    India sends people abroad because they send money back home.

    Indians can take over countries, but only because Jewish rulers prevent natives from fighting back. If Jews are overthrown, then Indians can be sent home tomorrow and they will not be able to resist.

    Indians don’t have to conquer the West because the Jews already did.

    Indians aren’t that powerful either. All the major Western countries are pro-Pakistan. Even Canada is sympathetic to Khalistanis

    ‘Indian power’ is built on Jewish power. Indians can only get away with this because Jews enable them.

  404. Smith says:

    Champa does not exist anymore, Vietnam annexed it, most champa people now live in Vietnam, and no, Champa asked China for aid, not to the whole of Champa to China. Champa also has no connection with Kampuchea/Alkor, and Kampuchea and China both let Champa to death. There’s also no record or proof proving that Champa claimed these islands, the legal and the actual artifacts remain prove that it was inhabited by vietnamese.

    [MORE]

    And really? French and japanese? They have no right to give those islands to China in the first place. It’s like saying China still belongs to the 8 nations.

    And about the Cambodian invasion. Are you defending Pol Pot? Pol Pot was killing vietnamese in the South, and not just vietnamese but everyone including his own people and chinese and americans, this was a war which is funded by BOTH the chinks and the americans, what Vietnam did at the time was self-defense.

    @Lin
    What difference? Are you saying China will bomb and invade Vietnam with no ideology, thus the bombs would be somehow more effective and require no logistics, what?

    The border between Laos/China and Vietnam are perfect for fighting chinks since they are mountains, chinks can zerg rush, but that’s it, viets are experienced in fighting against zerg rushing enemy. At that point, no technology matters but fighting spirit and small arms.

    Meanwhile if we talk naval warfare, China ships can blockade Vietnam, but Vietnam can also make missiles to shoot down China ships, Iran-style, missiles vs ships, who do you will lose?

    @thetruth
    I cannot believe you read that post and say the US won in Vietnam. I guess you believe China will win in Vietnam by shelling/droning “key buildings” too? Do you?

    @ Daemon:
    Oh I encounter that lie in quora too, let me ask you what industrial area that chinks have destroyed in 1979 exactly, can you name any specific ones? Most of the fighting happened in Lang Son – Ha Noi, the former is mountainous village area, and the latter is already bombed to crap by the americans. Meanwhile, Vietnam has only started to industrialize since the 80s via Doi Moi.

    And yeah, man, totally, we should just lose to the chinese and let them “industrialize” us, you know, like how the americans promised to bring wealth to Vietnam if you let them occupy our country.

    It’s pretty funny the way chinks and muricans argue, it’s very alike.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  405. Lin says:
    @Malla

    Indian nationalists actually want millions of Indians to go to all the nations of the world and take over these nations from inside………… We can build an empire by exporting our excess population who will become fifth columns within nations. And that many Indians are settling in developed White countries, countries with such advanced technology, wealth and military fill the hearts of Indian nationalists with gleeeee.

    My hindi bhai, I fully understand your aspiration and I hope your fellow hindutwadis would have a certain measure of success but the reality is:
    1)The majority of Indians who managed to get out really did so for the purpose of getting higher income, not that there isn’t a fraction with nationalists aspiration. ‘Dr’ Abdul Kalam wasn’t a rocket scientist as many Indians labelled him as one but at least he managed to take home the blue print of the American Scout rocket which formed the design basis of the first indian satellite launcher. He has my respect. How would you weight the opportunity benefit/cost if those elite Indians stay home and do their best for bharat?
    2)Most of the remittance money sent back to india came from Gulf arab countries, not from US. Obviously the bulk of the money go to the family coffer of the overseas Indians. Is there any big indian firm mainly funded by these remittance and focused on nationalistic endeavor like making things india badly needed like fighter jets, hi-speed rails, machine tools…? If there’s 1 or 2, then you’re correct 80%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remittances_to_India
    3)Obviously the hindutwadis want to follow the jewish softpower route in US; but the jews are a special case because undeniably there’s a cultural linkage between US Christianity and Judaism which would not be extended to other cultures.
    4)I fully understand the aspiration of the hindutwadis and I browse a number of their sites; but as a human being, what really turn me off is their ‘elitist’ attitude and they hardly discuss the issues that plague low caste Indians most like poor diet, poor schools, unemployment and under-employment….(it’s well known the employment problem is grossly understated by the indian govt)
    Bharat Uday(India Shining)is all they want to say
    As Steve Sailer said, india is a nation of ‘jews’ and ‘gypsies’.
    5)Modi wants more H1B visas for the indian firms that do service trade with US because such firms support whoever is in power in New Delhi

    • Agree: Malla
    • Replies: @Malla
  406. Considering those that call themselves jews built up china , china are the jews chosen country for conquest leading to ashes and those that call themselves jews having their capital in jerusalem .

    communism is judaism in practice

  407. antibeast says:
    @Smith

    Champa does not exist anymore, Vietnam annexed it, most champa people now live in Vietnam, and no, Champa asked China for aid, not to the whole of Champa to China. Champa also has no connection with Kampuchea/Alkor, and Kampuchea and China both let Champa to death. There’s also no record or proof proving that Champa claimed these islands, the legal and the actual artifacts remain prove that it was inhabited by Vietnamese.

    The material and historical evidence prove otherwise. Here’s an article in the National Geographic:

    [MORE]

    Given how clear and long-standing the evidence of Cham influence over the South China Sea is, why doesn’t Vietnam now use the authority of Champa history to bolster its territorial claims in the region?

    Relations between the Hanoi government and ethnic minorities are sensitive. In 2001 and 2004 massive human rights protests by hill tribes resulted in deaths and mass imprisonments. For some time after that, the Central Highlands were sealed off to foreigners.

    Sporadic protests and riots on a smaller scale still occur, and accusations of human rights violations by the government are common in minority areas.

    Although they’re full Vietnamese citizens, the Cham are nonetheless a conquered people. If they themselves raise the issue of Champa’s historical sovereignty over the South China Sea, which in turn would raise questions about their lost autonomy in their ancestral land, this could upset the Vietnamese government.

    Looking at the map in the article, it’s quite clear that the only Southeast Asian States which could claim sovereign rights over the Paracel and Spratly Islands are 1). the Champa Kingdom, and 2). the Sultanate of Sulu, both of which had tributary relationships with China. There’s plenty of material evidence to suggest that maritime trade between China and Southeast Asia was carried out via the South China Sea, which included trade with the Champa Kingdom and the Sultanate of Sulu. But Vietnam and Spanish Philippines hardly participated in that maritime trade. So how are they’re going to claim the maritime history of the Champa Kingdom and the Sultanate of Sulu as part of their own non-existent maritime history in the South China Sea?

    The Champa Kingdom no longer exists but their cultural history has been preserved in the numerous UNESCO World Heritage Sites in their ancestral homeland. Meanwhile, the Philippines has been fighting a 50-year Muslim insurgency in the South with the Duterte Administration recently signing a peace agreement granting autonomy to the Muslim rebels. Both Vietnam and the Philippines love casting China as the aggressor and like to paint themselves as the victims. But the political reality is that both of them were the aggressors who conquered their victims — the Champa Kingdom and the Sultanate of Sulu — respectively.

    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @Smith
  408. Malla says:

    @Anon[332]@Astuteobservor II
    Very true but Jews are allowing us in because they need us to keep the White and black goyims in check. We are becoming some kind of supervisors for our Jewish masters.

  409. Malla says:
    @Lin

    Most of the remittance money sent back to india came from Gulf arab countries, not from US.

    Yes but Hindu fundamentalist groups like the RSS get millions of US Dollars/ GBP/Euros/SG Dollars/ Aus Dollars/NZ Dollars/Rands etc… every year from Indians settled in White countries/Singapore. Many Indians in the West are either always hyper fundamentalist or become hyper fundamentalist because of identity issues or superiority-inferiority complex feelings w.r.t outsiders.

    • Replies: @Anon
  410. Malla says:
    @TT

    Shivakar Babuji Talpade who invented airplanes eight years before the Wright brothers did.

    LOl Talpade’s airplane design was a made up design by a person with no understanding of avionics. He claimed that a Hindu holyman gave him the design. The whole thing is a big joke and the plane would have run on a steam engine. LOL. Presently an Indian Institute of science had a look at Talpade’s airplane design and came to the conclusion that the design is totally flawed, the designer had no knowledge of what he was doing and such a plane would never take off.

    • Replies: @TT
  411. TT says:
    @Malla

    Those were just jokes some Indians took a dig on ridiculous Modi RSS BJP nationalistic claims.

    But in Buddhist Scriptures, i did read about how ancient craftsman in Jumbupida (rose apple Island, the shape of ancient India continent) built flying planes using wood. According to Buddhism, our world is repeatedly destroyed and appeared again in nature cycle, so civilization come and go.

    Very few Brahmin gurus in India can still master ancient vedas & charms. They are also extremely selective in choosing candidates to pass down their knowledge. One of my very talented friend wrnt to India to learn from these gurus with mystical power.

    So real Brahmin gurus don’t built plane, because they don’t need. They can fly by charms, or by commanding Naga & Garuda, or some yakhas. Buddhism also taught how to develop psychic power for flying by meditation.

    Since you work at home for healthcare, Delhi lockdown shouldn’t affect you that much right. Btw, how’s your marriage life so far? I saw most Indian damsels double their waist after giving birth, and grow triple size after 40.

    • Replies: @Malla
  412. TT says:
    @Malla

    The last time i check it was US$80B p.a. remittance, a huge forex income for India consider its annual export is only about $300B.

    Will Indians conquer the world by Weapon of Mass Migration?
    https://www.quora.com/Will-Indians-dominate-the-world/answer/Thomas-Edward-71

    [MORE]

    In the past, rich countries colonized poor by the sword. Today, the poor colonize rich countries via economic migration.

    Globally, remittances have grown from $296 billion in 2007 to $445 billion in 2016, according to a new report released by the U.N.The report estimates that between 2015 and 2030, more than $6.5 trillion will be sent to low- and middle-income countries

    India is today single No.1 largest net exporter nation working & living overseas at over 45M, will continue to increase exponentially in future as population grow quickly with more jobless.

    The growth of Indians moving in to these countries as shown in above charts is explosive, already overwhelming all these small wealthy nations like Emirates, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, Saudi, and of course tiny Singapore that is not shown. They will be taken over by Indians eventually if they are not cautious to act swiftly before been overwhelmed like Singapore.

    Some argue that one reason Westerners have become so open to demographic replacement is due to the pressures from other alien groups themselves. French researcher Hervé Ryssen:

    Jews have always encouraged immigration into all the countries in which they have ever settled, not just because a multicultural society corresponds to their politico-religious plans, but also because the resulting dissolution of national identity protects them from any “nationalistic” upheavals.

  413. Anon[319] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    There is no significant Hindu hyperfundamentalism in the West. Hindu libtards in India (mostly Congress Party) spread garbage rumors about such activities to incite Muslims. They want Muslim votes.

    Congress (since Gandhi and Nehru time) has always been soft on Muslims.

    Lots of Indians in the Gulf and West are Muslims too. They send money back to their families too. It’s not just Hindus who go abroad.

    Lots of Khalistani Sikh have gone to Canada, then sent back money to Khalistanis in Punjab. The libtard Congress has permitted this because they are weak and pathetic.

    The biggest threat to Muslims are White countries, like America and England. They have destroyed many Muslim countries, like Iraq, Syria, Libya.

    Weakling Hindus can’t even crush Pakistan.

    Weakling Hindus talk of 3,000 Muslims killed in Gujarat, but Whites ignore millions killed in the Middle East.

    • Replies: @Malla
  414. Malla says:
    @TT

    Hello TT, things are OK for me. My job is safe. Not married yet, just engaged. Have to delay marrying as cannot have huge marriage functions due to Covid 19 restrictions. You are correct about Indian women, however my fiance is a health freak, likes to exercise, so I keep finger crossed she does not end up like typical Indian fatso wife. LOL
    I hope you are keeping well TT. Stay Safe.

  415. Malla says:
    @Anon

    There is no significant Hindu hyperfundamentalism in the West.

    There is a hidden Hindu hyperfundamentalism in the West not as overt as Muslim fundamentalism. There is even a “friends of BJP” group in the UK. Imagine a “friends of Conservatives” group in India, low IQ Indian nationalists would have a riot. Except Israel, any such group about a foreign nation would be deemed anti-national and low IQ nationalists would jump on them.
    The Hindu fundamentalist RSS get a lot of money from outside India.

    Hindu libtards in India (mostly Congress Party) spread garbage rumors about such activities to incite Muslims. They want Muslim votes.

    This is B.S. You are an Indian are you not. That is no rumour. Vishwabandhu Gupta was a IAS (Indian Administrative Services) officer who had to give up his job because he was investigating the monetary scam in the RSS and VHP Hindu organisations during the Babri Mosque days of Advani. Guess who forced him to leave his job because he uncovered financial irregularities in their finances including millions of dollars from abroad? The Congress ruled Government of its day. Makes me sometimes wonder how much of an enemy is the Congress and BJP behind the scenes.

    Weakling Hindus can’t even crush Pakistan.

    Weakling Hindus talk of 3,000 Muslims killed in Gujarat, but Whites ignore millions killed in the Middle East.

    Militarily yes but socially no. Socially Westerners are at a much weaker position than immigrant muslims because the Western Governments are firstly anti-White, they support any non muslim non White, even Indians at the expense of local Whites. Therefore you have Sharia Patrol, White girls sexually molested by barbaric Muslim gangs, areas of West becoming no go for native Europeans etc… In India, barbaric Hindu mobs would bash up barbaric Muslim mobs and teach them a lesson. Europeans are either too civilized today or and have too much guilt w.r.t darkies even though Northern Euro Whites are obviously physically much tougher than most browns, South Asian or Middle Eastern/ North Africans.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anonymous
  416. @Patagonia Man

    1. India has done nothing to take responsibility for their population growth rate;

    India’s TFR in 2019 is 2.2 and is at replacement level. A lot of states are below replacement level. India will go way below replacement level over next decade just like many countries in the world.

    2. the British saddled India with inefficient state monopolies – and no political party, to date, has been brave enough to reform the public sector (so what they basically have is disguised unemployment);

    Although India did not shut down all the PSU’s, it did sell many PSU’s in the past. Several examples like BALCO, Hindustan Zinc, IPCL, VSNL come to mind. Air India is on chopping block as we speak.

    3. India’s obscene inequality of wealth (where the ~300 million people who are middle or upper middle class have satisfying lifestyles yet the vast majority of the population, ~50%+ of people still live in poverty) actually acts as a drag on the country’s economic growth (as measured by GDP); and

    India looks bad only if compared to China. India lifted 271 million people out of poverty between 2006-2016. Every minute 44 Indians move from extreme poverty to lower middle class. Since 2019, Nigeria had more people in extreme poverty compare to India. Currently less than 63 million people live in extreme poverty in India and going down fast. BTW until early nineties it was China which had most number of poor people in the world. India held that crown of ignominy for around 25 years.

    It doesn’t mean that everything is hunky dory. It just means that things are rapidly improving in India.

    4. not to mention said 50%+ who live in towns and villages (not cities) still defecate in the streets.

    Google Swachh Bharat Abiyaan. In 2014 only 38% of rural India had indoor toilets. It rose to 100% by Oct 2019. Even the critics admit that coverage is well over 90% now.

    The standing international joke about China (which has lifted ~800 million people out of poverty since the 1970s) and India goes: ‘If you want someone to do it, get the Chinese – but if you want somebody to talk about it, get the Indians.’

    China started economic reforms 14 years before India (1978 vs 1991). Indian economy today ($2.9 Trillion) is where Chinese economy was 14 years ago (2006 – $2.75 Trillion). Of course you can argue that India will not go to 14 trillion in next 14 years. That’s fine. But Indian economy grew by 10 fold since economic reforms in 1991.

    And furthermore, the only reason Modi is as popular as he is, is because he’s actually being marketed to an unsuspecting, naive population.

    LoL. No other Indian politician has been vilified as viciously as Modi. He won in spite of that.

    He is well and truly in the vice-like grip of the Anglo-Zionist empire as his recent pic on Twitter being feted by war criminals Henry Kissinger, Condoleeza Rice, Tony Blair and John Howard reveals.

    Modi is a pragmatist and not an ideologue. He is simply focused on improving India. US is an important trade and security partner for India. He will not let past (BTW read how hostile Henry Kissinger was towards India in 1971 during Indo-pak war) come in the way of improving future ties.

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  417. Anon[373] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    Hindu fundamentalism is only a tiny fraction of Muslim or even Sikh fundamentalism. Has anybody in the West ever been killed by a Hindu fundamentalist? Where can I find a Hindu fundamentalist neighborhood?

    BJP has lots of supporters of Trump. They wouldn’t riot and shutdown a “Friends of Conservatives” in India. Trump was received well by Modi. Muslims would riot, as they dislike Trump’s Muslim ban.

    [MORE]

    RSS is neccessary to combat Muslim extremism, which has stolen Pak&Bangla and is very much a problem in the Hindi belt. Most libtard Hindus in Congress and the media don’t like RSS anyway.

    Are you denying Congress and these various parties (BSP, Samajwadi, Communists) haven’t bent over for Muslims for the last 75 years? Why do Pak and Bangla even exist? Why are all Hindus gone from Pak, but there are 200 million Muslims in India? Why are Hindus gone from Kashmir?

    Why do Hindu libtards care so much for the Babri Mosque? It’s a symbol of barbaric invaders. White American & British destroyed many mosques in Iraq, Syria, Libya. Nobody cares. BJP destroyed 1 mosque and everybody goes crazy.

    They haven’t even built the Ram temple anyway.

    Whites are disadvantaged mostly because they don’t have the strong family system of Indians. Too individualistic. Also, the Jewish people run the govts of Western countries.

    Whites aren’t that civilized. They go around wrecking Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen. When will India wreck Pak and Bangla? Why not force Muslims out of Kashmir and put them in refugee camps, then put Hindu pandits back in charge?

    In England, there are lots of wild Muslims running around, and the Hindus won’t fight them either. A bunch of Pakistanis destroyed the Indian commission in London, whose mayor is a Pak. Hindus did nothing to retaliate. Hindus are even wimpier than White British, who have BNP and EDL.

  418. Patagonia Man [AKA "PTG Mann"] says:
    @82-IQ H1B Indian

    The top 20 largest economies in the world (in $USbillions in 2016)

    In 2016 the US ranked 1st – $US18,562; China 2nd – $US11,392 and India 7th – $US2,251
    By 2030 China will rank 1st – $US 26,499; US 2nd – $US23,475 and India 3rd – $US 7,841
    By 2050 China will rank 1st – $US 49,853; US 2nd – $US34,102 and India 3rd – $US 28,021

    Source: The Long View – How will the global economic order change by 2050? – PricewaterhouseCoopers (February 2017)
    https://www.pwc.com/gx/en/world-2050/assets/pwc-the-world-in-2050-full-report-feb-2017.pdf

    • Replies: @Miro23
  419. The South China Sea is the open ocean, Chinese claims are illegitimate, and little more than a bad joke.

  420. Miro23 says:
    @Patagonia Man

    This result incorporates the famous assumption “All other things being equal”.

    In the real world, there are wars and revolutions. Economic success comes and goes (cyclical rather than linear). Potential Nº 1 China is no friend of the US (or India) and feels itself militarily threatened, same as Russia. Plus, the US has already shown already that it will use military force to defend $/oil – so it just depends.

  421. Smith says:
    @antibeast

    I don’t see any ACTUAL proof that Champa claims ownership of these islands tho.

    They just say it’s clear, but where are the actual proofs? All the artifacts and land-posts remaining in those islands are majorly vietnamese.

    And second, the chinks are aggressors in this case because even if Champa still exists, they would sue the chinks for occupying their islands. The fact you bring Champa up doesn’t change the political situation of foreigners (chinks) to the SEA doing land grab.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  422. antibeast says:
    @Smith

    I don’t see any ACTUAL proof that Champa claims ownership of these islands tho. They just say it’s clear, but where are the actual proofs? All the artifacts and land-posts remaining in those islands are majorly Vietnamese.

    You didn’t even read the article from National Geographic which is a US magazine. It says that the Champa Kingdom occupied what is now Central and South Vietnam which includes several islands off its coast. There’s even a picture of a Champa woman, weaving a textile which they’re known for.

    And second, the chinks are aggressors in this case because even if Champa still exists, they would sue the chinks for occupying their islands. The fact you bring Champa up doesn’t change the political situation of foreigners (chinks) to the SEA doing land grab.

    Dai Viet has a long history of imperialist aggression in Southeast Asia, as attested to by its numerous wars against the Champa, Thai and Khmer Kingdoms. Vietnam’s claims are based on its imperialist history not on its maritime trade in the South China Sea. Occupation does not imply sovereignty as the French has an imperialist history in Southeast Asia too. Does that imply that the French has sovereign claims on Vietnam because they once occupied Indochina?

    Vietnam can’t claim the maritime history of Champa as part of its own history because Dai Viet invaded, conquered and annexed Champa which no longer exist today, as you’ve admitted in your earlier post. The Dai Viets committed genocide against the Champas which is why only remnants of Champa culture exists today in the numerous UNESCO World Heritage Sites in Vietnam as well as in the Champa people still living there.

    Lastly, resorting to ethnic slurs doesn’t support your arguments but merely confirms the racist, imperialist history of the Dai Viets.

    • Agree: vox4non
  423. Anonymous[374] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    You think there aren’t foreign lobbying organisations in every country? You focus on “Friends of BJP”, but fail to mentions such things are necessary to protect group interests, after all, there are also millions of Muslims in the UK who shill for Kashmir.

    And yes, the Congress party do spread rumours, notably about the CAA which caused the riots in Delhi, coincidentally on the same day Trump visited. Of course later they admitted than Muslims of India would not become stateless.

    This world is brutal, a struggle for existence, I don’t get why you think it is so seeing for Indians to be hypocrites, as this is a useful quality in politics. Yes, Indians are racist amongst themselves and cry racism when in wh*te countries, yes they lobby their host nations governments to own their own interests. But then again, Chinese refuse to let a single racial foreigners settler become a citizen yet have lobbying organisation in the West to demand an end to discrimination and racism, and they too lobby for Chinese interests.

    Of course you are a sepoy cuck who has watched too much Ryan Faulk and thinks wh*tes are this noble race that dindu nuffin and were screwed over by evil darky, but this is only true when you look at them after the Jewish brainwashing they have endured, before that they were unbashedly ethnocentric and wanted to exploit others, most of them are living on land “stolen’ from others, and why shouldn’t they? They took it by natural law, just as non-whites will take white lands by natural law and sick out the capital from it. Or perhaps you would prefer if only chinks and pakis used weapons of mass migration to gain more influence?

  424. Sam J. says:
    @denk

    “…What about that 300lbs beast…

    MIC ???…”

    Uhh…what about we get rid of the damn Jews first “then” worry about the MIC. Jews run the MIC so by getting rid of them it will solve two problems at the same time.

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