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In Roger Zelazny’s classic 1967 science fiction novel Lord of Light, humans on a distant planet have employed technological devices to establish themselves as gods of the Hindu pantheon, each having particular aspects and attributes. Mara is the Lord of Illusion, able to reshape the perceived world in the minds of all those around him. Such an ability is powerful but not invincible since the physical reality remains unchanged, and Mara is slain in the very first chapter.

I think that story stands as an effective metaphor for America’s strengths in today’s world. Our country is so utterly dominant in the distribution of information and propaganda, including the electronic and social media, that we can easily persuade most of the world to accept as truth our manufactured illusions. But we cannot alter the underlying reality, perhaps leading to disastrous ultimate consequences.

Russia possesses a nuclear arsenal equal to our own and its revolutionary hypersonic weapons provide it considerable superiority in delivery systems. Lieutenant-General Igor Kirillov serves as the head of Russia’s Radiation, Chemical, and Biological Defense Forces, and a couple of weeks ago he held a public briefing at which he suggested that elements of the American government had probably been responsible for unleashing the global Covid epidemic.

I mentioned his explosive accusations in a column, but otherwise they seem to have been almost entirely ignored in both the American mainstream and even alternative media. Instead, the only significant American response was that Twitter suspended the official account of the Russian Foreign Ministry after it distributed the remarks of that top Russian general.

Once again, except for a column of my own, the censorship Twitter had suddenly imposed upon the Russian government for such accusatory statements passed almost entirely unnoticed by American mainstream and alternative media outlets alike.

Major declarations by top Russian military leaders surely receive extensive coverage in Russia’s own domestic media, so I’d assume that a substantial fraction of the Russian population now believes that the Covid virus which has killed more than 15 million people worldwide may have been an American product, engineered and released by our national security apparatus. But a near-total media embargo—extending to alternative outlets—has ensured that such notions remain completely excluded from American minds. Apparently, our editors follow the principle “What we don’t know can’t hurt us.”

Over the last couple of years I have been repeatedly struck by the complete unwillingness of virtually any mainstream or alternative Western journalist to take notice of the very strong evidence of America’s culpability in the Covid epidemic, evidence that I have presented in a long series of articles first beginning in April 2020.

Earlier this month I sent this plaintive note to a member of America’s elite establishment with whom I’ve been friendly for many years:

…the whole situation just staggers the imagination.

For the same of argument, let’s assume I’m correct and there’s at least a pretty good chance that the blowback from an unauthorized biowarfare attack has now killed a million Americans.

Can you think of anything in the history of the world let alone the history of America that’s comparable to that? As I argued in one of my recent articles, it’s probably 1000x a greater worldwide disaster than Chernobyl.

And the notion that absolutely no one is willing to discuss it is just unbelievable. It’s not like Stalin’s NKVD will ship them off to the Gulag if they say anything. I mean it’s one thing if people are fearful of being shot, but it’s another thing if they’re merely fearful of being criticized on Twitter…

I just can’t understand why absolutely no one is willing to take a public stand on this issue. Once all the facts came out more than a year ago, I assumed the dam would break any week.

And his reply:

It is quite amazing.

 

From the very beginning of the epidemic, our media and propaganda organs, whether mainstream or alternative, have successfully insulated the American public from the crucial information that might allow them to properly understand what had happened in their lives. As I noted in my original April 2020 article:

As the coronavirus gradually began to spread beyond China’s own borders, another development occurred that greatly multiplied my suspicions. Most of these early cases had occurred exactly where one might expect, among the East Asian countries bordering China. But by late February Iran had become the second epicenter of the global outbreak. Even more surprisingly, its political elites had been especially hard-hit, with a full 10% of the entire Iranian parliament soon infected and at least a dozen of its officials and politicians dying of the disease, including some who were quite senior. Indeed, Neocon activists on Twitter began gleefully noting that their hated Iranian enemies were now dropping like flies.

Let us consider the implications of these facts. Across the entire world the only political elites that have yet suffered any significant human losses have been those of Iran, and they died at a very early stage, before significant outbreaks had even occurred almost anywhere else in the world outside China. Thus, we have America assassinating Iran’s top military commander on Jan. 2nd and then just a few weeks later large portions of the Iranian ruling elites became infected by a mysterious and deadly new virus, with many of them soon dying as a consequence. Could any rational individual possibly regard this as a mere coincidence?

In a later article I emphasized that Iran’s top leadership had certainly recognized these obvious facts at the time:

By early March 2020, the Iranian general overseeing his country’s biowarfare defense had already begun suggesting that Covid was a Western biological attack against his country and China, and a couple of days later the semiofficial Iranian news agency FARS quoted Iran’s top Revolutionary Guards military commander as declaring:

Today, the country is engaged in a biological battle. We will prevail in the fight against this virus, which might be the product of an American biological [attack], which first spread in China and then to the rest of the world…America should know that if it has done so, it will return to itself.

Soon afterward, Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei took the same public position, while populist former president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad became especially vocal on Twitter for several months, even directing his formal accusations to UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres. Just a single one of his numerous Tweets drew many thousands of Retweets and Likes.

Iranian radio and television and its international news service repeatedly carried these stories, backed by supportive interviews with a top political aide to Malaysia’s former prime minister. But America’s overwhelming domination over the English-language global media ensured that this major international controversy never came to my attention at the time it occurred.

The blockade preventing these Iranian charges from reaching the English-speaking world was further facilitated by American control over the basic infrastructure of the Internet. Just one month earlier, Iran’s PressTV channel for Britain had been deleted by YouTube, following the earlier removal of its main global channel. Most recently, the American government took the unprecedented action of seizing PressTV‘s Internet domain, completely eliminating all access to that website.

The original Covid outbreak had struck Wuhan at the height of China’s confrontation with the United States. By March 2020 official Chinese media was reporting that the virus might have been brought to that city by American military personnel when they participated in the World Military Games held there, with an official spokesman for China’s Foreign Ministry creating a diplomatic incident when he Tweeted out those accusations.

I’ve been told that such theories of American responsibility have become endemic on Chinese social media, and last year China’s second largest official news agency briefly summarized my own views on its website.

Similarly, Sputnik News, a mainstream Russian media outlet with 20 million visits per month, recently published a short interview with me regarding the likely origins of Covid. Around the same time, a leading Iranian television channel interviewed me for five hours in preparation for a series they plan to broadcast in the near future.

 

Government officials and the general public of Russia, Iran, and China both seem increasingly aware of these important facts and the controversial scenario they suggest, so I find it difficult to understand how legitimate American national interests are served by keeping that same information away from the American people. Yet this continuing climate of near-absolute censorship has been maintained not only within the mainstream media but also by nearly all alternative journalists and outlets. Even when American figures of the greatest public stature and credibility have broken their silence, their statements have been ignored across almost the entire alternative media landscape.

Prof. Jeffrey Sachs of Columbia University is the very high-ranking American academic who had served as the chairman of the Covid Commission established by the Lancet, a leading medical journal. In May he co-authored an important article in the prestigious PNAS journal arguing that the virus had probably been produced in a lab and calling for an independent inquiry into its true origins.

This bombshell declaration, which should have reached the front pages of the New York Times, was instead ignored by virtually every mainstream and alternative media outlet.

The following month, he reiterated his views while speaking at a small think-tank gathering in Spain, and a short clip of his remarks went super-viral, being retweeted out more than 11,000 times and attracting over a million views.

With the exception of an article in the London Daily Mail, this further bombshell was again entirely ignored by all outlets in both the mainstream and alternative press.

Finally, earlier this month he gave a lengthy and remarkably candid interview to Current Affairs, a small alternative media webzine, in which he focused on the strong evidence he had encountered of an apparent cover-up of Covid’s possible origins by individuals associated with the American government:

Once again, virtually no alternative journalist reported those astonishing allegations by the academic figure who had been best placed to make them.

When I brought his recent interview to the attention of several prominent mainstream individuals whom I personally know, they found it absolutely stunning. But apparently nearly every journalist in America thought otherwise, so its impact on the public debate has been almost nil.

 

Last week I published an account of the shocking McCain/POW scandal uncovered by the late Sydney Schanberg. Despite his stellar journalistic reputation and the mountain of evidence he had accumulated, his findings were totally ignored by the entire media, including by the Times, where he himself had previously served as one of the top editors. This notion of a story being too big or too dangerous for the media to cover certainly applies to the origins of the Covid epidemic.

Furthermore, the strategies used to suppress challenges to establishmentarian dogma may have grown much more sophisticated and effective. A couple of weeks ago I discussed this possibility in the aftermath of the Alex Jones trial, suggesting that techniques of “cognitive infiltration” may have been deployed against alternative organizations and activists, diverting them into blind alleys that dissipate their energies and severely damage their public credibility:

I speculated that the huge, sudden rise of a massive anti-vaxxing movement in America might be an example of this. A couple of years ago, vaccine issues were almost invisible, but soon after questions arose regarding the true origins of the Covid virus, the vaccination controversy moved to the absolute center stage of American public life, completely dominating the thoughts of most of those willing to challenge official orthodoxy on any other matter.

As a result, I suspect that a thousand times as much time and effort has recently been devoted to debating the safety and efficacy of Covid vaccines than to investigating the true origins of the disease that made them necessary. And individuals or organizations who proclaim their fear that Bill Gates is the architect of a diabolical plot to exterminate most of the human race are hardly likely to be taken seriously by credible journalists or academics on any other matters.

The difficult year or two of lockdown conditions under which so many Americans had suffered fostered the social isolation that naturally allowed even the most fantastical ideas to take root among the fearful. Such an environment would have been ideal for the successful promotion across the Internet of debilitating nonsense promoted by organized propaganda-operatives.

 

Thus, since early 2020, the likely reality of an event of monumental historical importance—the unauthorized release of a military bioweapon that has killed so many millions worldwide—has been successfully suppressed within America and the rest of the West. In the past, other dramatic events such as the JFK assassination and the 9/11 attacks quickly sparked large-scale movements of citizen-activism challenging the questionable official narrative, but there currently exists no similar “Covid Truth Movement.”

Despite this unfortunate situation, there are some signs of hope, indications of a few embers that might eventually burst into flame.

First, growing coverage in the Russian, Iranian, and Chinese media may help pierce the wall of silence maintained by Western outlets, especially because the latter have become so severely discredited by their extremely skewed coverage of the conflict in Ukraine and the confrontation over Taiwan. At the very least, alternative journalists may finally gain the necessary courage to begin seriously exploring the origins of Covid.

In addition, Jeffrey Sachs, an extremely senior figure in the mainstream Covid firmament, has seemingly become willing to break the conspiracy of silence and raise issues that have been suppressed for more than two years. Although media outlets have scrupulously avoided publishing his statements, his public stature raises the possibility of successfully circumventing such gatekeepers.

Meanwhile, the facts are still out there. I recently reread my original April 2020 article that first raised these issues, and although more than two years have passed I found little in the text that I would wish to change.

Just days after that piece ran, our entire webzine was banned by Facebook and all our pages were deranked by Google. But although those harsh actions successfully suppressed what had been the viral spread of that article, they also underscored the potential importance of the arguments being made.

Over the next two years, I greatly expanded that first work into a lengthy series of articles, comprehensively covering the topic. Taken together, those pieces have now been viewed more than a half-million times, and the entire collection is now available both as a freely downloadable eBook and also as an Amazon paperback.

Even more heartening has been the growing viewership of my video presentations. Back in February, just before the outbreak of the Ukraine war diverted all attention in a different direction, I was interviewed several times by small podcasters, and these shows have attracted considerable audiences. Totaling around four hours of discussion, they have now accumulated over a million views on Rumble, with more than half of these coming during the last few weeks. Circumventing media gatekeepers is a crucial step in piercing the veil of ignorance maintained by the West’s reigning Lords of Illusion, and recognizing the reality of our global disaster.

Kevin Barrett, FFWN • February 16, 2022 • 15m

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Geopolitics & Empire • February 1, 2022 • 75m

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Red Ice TV • February 3, 2022 • 130m

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  1. Control over the message has long been the psywar modus operandi of the ruling financial elite, operating through their primary minion, the Central Intelligence Agency, which apparently was created as the ultimate control mechanism over the perceptions of the English-speaking world by means of their bribery and blackmail “ownership” over Main$cream mass media.

    That a biowar weapon, calculated as a mass fear induction system, could and would be used against the people of the world and ultimately in the “homeland”, indicates that the ruling financier elite is fully serious about “culling the herd” and getting rid of numerous “useless eaters” and various and numerous human examples of what they prefer to describe as “collateral damage”.

    Multidimensional implications of Covid are harnessed to the WEF diktat of “You will own nothing and be happy” (eating bugs).

    Then we may add to the equation the principles of weather warfare which has long been exposed by Dane Wigginton. Forest fires, floods, the hurricane which was tracking directly toward the hyper-wealthy enclave of Palm Beach, Florida and then mysteriously became stalled over Grand Bahama and surrounding islands for a couple of days, was ample proof that something is rife with the aroma of rotting fish throughout the halls of power.

    Ultimately, ironically and amazingly, Big Pharma, founded by J.D. Rottenfeller in the early 20th Century, discovered a platinum mine with their “vaccines”, laced with graphene and other deleterious substances, which are killing family members, neighbors and friends all across the fruited plain. The deepest irony is the level of profitability, combined with a balls to the walls drive by government and mass media for people to take the jab. Mordantly amusing, huh?

    Yet, the first law of physics demands that for each action there is an equal but opposite reaction. What the would-be world masters do not realize is that this law has an equivalancy on the metaphysical plane.

    Grumbling and rumbling is currently a growth industry amongst most particularly those whose incomes are not highly dependent on remaining “on message” in a state of near-terminal cognitive dissonance. Working class men, particularly those who are not employed by major corporate interests and country folk in general, have come to realizations akin to the little boy in Hans Christian Andersen’s classic: “The Emperor’s New Clothes”.

    The Awakening is soon upon us on a global scale. As inflation explodes and many types of food become prohibitively expensive, except for those secure in their cognitively dissonant occupations; the grumbling and rumbling bears an acute resonance with the San Andreas Fault. Mama Nature herself is not amused and neither are an emerging majority of upset and disgusted people.

    • Thanks: Rurik, Ann Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @Pikachu
    , @Doug Ryler
  2. Dude, you are so eccentric – how can we not love you?

    On one hand, you’ve beaten this drum just about to death – you don’t have to convince us, we’re already sold. The USA was intimately involved, perhaps even instrumental, in the genesis and worldwide dissemination of the fake Corona Chan “pandemic”.

    A good proportion of your audience may differ on the details of the larger campaign and who is actually behind it, but the essential thrust of your position remains compelling and well supported by your considerable research effort.

    On the other hand, I suppose your periodic repetition of these materials will serve to arouse the curiosity of the growing cadre of formerly comatose individuals who – having weathered over two years of full-retard tyranny with a fake “pandemic” and forced bioweapon injections, alongside deliberate orchestrated economic and societal destruction – have started to wake up and are now seeking answers.

    And in fairness, you have taken the trouble to integrate more recent developments and revelations into your original understanding of the situation.

    So all credit to you – like the proverbial dog with a bone, you still deserve our encouragement.

    Perhaps at some time in the future, you might see fit to incorporate that nondescript door-to-door shoe salesman into the narrative.

  3. Anon[306] • Disclaimer says:

    For the same of argument, let’s assume I’m correct and there’s at least a pretty good chance that the blowback from an unauthorized biowarfare attack has now killed a million Americans.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  4. Yes Ron but it wasn’t an American attack against China it was a Khazar Jewish attack against humanity. The whole point is to excite War between China and United States between Russia and United States between Iran and the United States. Because Khazars take Deuteronomy very seriously: pull down and Destroy Every Other Nation.

    Let’s you and him fight.

    • Agree: TheTrumanShow
    • Replies: @Wade
  5. JWalters says:

    A striking feature of the media’s fiction is how they all sing the same lies in perfect unison. Historically, we know that a consolidation of media began in 1915 when the JP Morgan bank bought up editorial control of the 20 most influential newspapers in America. And we know that the JP Morgan bank had become the dominant bank in the US by becoming an extension of the dominant bank in Europe, the Rothschild bank.
    War Profiteers and Israel’s Bank
    https://warprofiteerstory.blogspot.com/p/war-profiteers-and-israels-bank.html

    We also know the Rothschild bank financed the establishment of Israel, and the corporate media has relentlessly covered up Israel’s ongoing crimes of mass murder and land theft. They also cover up Israel’s enormous influence in directing the US Congress to spend American lives and money in Middle East wars to benefit Israel.

    In addition to financial pressures, the Zionists also resort to blackmail and murder.
    American Pravda: Mossad Assassinations
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-mossad-assassinations/

    So the corporate reporters don’t want to get fired and blacklisted, and the alternative reporters don’t want to get assassinated. We’re living under a reign of terror, of which the general public is, amazingly, unaware. It shows what you can get away with once you’ve stolen enough money.

    • Replies: @anon
  6. “All the News That’s Print to Fit”

    The New York Times

  7. jimbojones says: • Website

    Unz deserves praise and probably a Pulitzer nomination for figuring out the release of the virus so quickly even though he struggled with seeing through the lockdowns and the syringes. He also deserves credit for permitting the many “anti-vaxxer” articles on the site. Looking forward to more glorious UR wins.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @The Real World
  8. meamjojo says:

    No one cares and you have not successfully made the case as to WHY we should care.

    On the outside chance that you happen to be right in this matter, so what? It’s just business as usual. Nothing new and nothing is going to change. [shrug]

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
    , @Rahan
    , @ISL
  9. bert33 says:

    fauci2bighouse. Why, ’cause he lied. Rand Paul wants to deconstruct the NAIADthing and probably NIH with it and take a good look at the other entities and agencies involved in medical and medicine probably along the same lines of reform or possible abolition, too much power and presumed authority concentrated in the hands of too few and those hands belonging to ignorant people who have no clue what the apparatus is up to nor in their supposed fields or areas of specialty, and the reason its a big deal is because infectious disease has the potential, the capacity, to pretty much kill us all, which is why ‘i am the science’ guy, fauci, needs prosecuted. as far as the WHO is concerned, same story, too much authority coupled with deep ignorance, get rid of it. Lets not let bureaucratic incompetence run amok here. Checks balances oversight and regulation and prevention of catastrophe, thats what its about, and a little thing called ‘nuremberg’ bhaving to do with prohibition on human experimentation…

  10. Alrenous says: • Website

    Assuming every single one of those viewers is unique, found the message convincing, and is a voting-age adult in America, then you only have around 149 million views to go before it matters.

    • Replies: @Abbybwood
  11. I speculated that the huge, sudden rise of a massive anti-vaxxing movement in America might be an example of this.

    [i.e. Techniques of cognitive infiltration deployed by sophisticated establishmentarian strategists within the Anglosphere against activists to dissipate their energy and damage credibility… Or some such. Indeed >> Welcome to UR?]

    A far more likely explanation is that Covid vax mandates deeply offended the sensibilities of the blessed sane remnant of our society. After all, the vaccine mandates, and coercion and censorship, came on the heels of government assurances mandates would never be in the picture. Lies on top of lies.

    This frontal assault on informed consent is even more appalling than how masking mandates damaged the physical and cognitive health of hundreds of millions of children around the world. It was and remains a direct threat to the sanctity of the individual. Every individual. And there will no end to it: friend, if you walk through that door, you and the future of humanity are entering a dungeon of horrors.

    Why Unz takes no interest in this aspect of recent events has been a huge disappointment.

    https://zeroanthropology.net/2022/08/20/nuremberg-covid-and-anthropology-never-again/

    For a salient retrospective on the politics of covid, see this discussion w/ Del Bigtree and Sen. Ron Johnson.



    Video Link

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    • Thanks: Thor Walhovd, Zumbuddi
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  12. Dumbo says:

    LOL. Mr. Unz is certainly very sneaky. He talks of “cognitive infiltration”, but does EXACTLY that. He diverts the attention away from the vaccines and from the awful policies such as the “lockdowns” — painted by him as a necessary consequence of Covid, when no similar “solution” had ever been applied before to any disease, and when it should be clear after “two weeks” that turned into two years (!) that it didn’t work at all.

    CoVid is a flu-like disease of no significance or importance, so its origins are mostly irrelevant. What we should be discussing are the origins of the “fight against Covid”, and why the same useless and harmful methods have been applied everywhere, and why a useless (and harmful?) mRNA vaccine has been pushed so hard and continues to be pushed hard by the establishment (including Mr. Unz).

  13. Alfred says:

    Good luck with getting a serious investigation going as to the source of “Covid”

    Personally, I am much more interested in the consequences of the poisonous “vaccines” and the unnecessary and lethal lockdowns and mandates.

    FWIW, a Chinese diplomat has had the audacity to point out that the official 9/11 investigation is BS – 21 years after the event. But whether that will change the credulous minds of hundreds of millions of Americans and others is a different matter. I can only hope that this is eventually raised at the UN

    Prominent Chinese diplomat suggests US carried out 9/11 attacks

  14. MPJ says:

    The difficult year or two of lockdown conditions under which so many Americans had suffered fostered the social isolation that naturally allowed even the most fantastical ideas to take root among the fearful. Such an environment would have been ideal for the successful promotion across the Internet of debilitating nonsense promoted by organized propaganda-operatives.

    Astonishing! How a person can be so astute and daft at the same time. There are so many problems with this narrative of Ron’s, I don’t know where to even begin. Let’s start with basic logic. Just because theories start to emerge following a major event does not invalidate the theories. Also, if the theories overtake other aspects of the event/crisis, that also does not invalidate the theories. There is simply nothing of substance in this argument of Ron’s.

    By this logic, the single-most annoying and pervasive subject of chatter and “conspiracy talk” following 9/11 was the matter of 9/11 being an “inside job”. Any half-brain knows that the bulk of the evidence regarding 9/11 overwhelmingly supports these conspiracies over the official lie, specifically with regards to the destruction of the twin towers and especially WTC 7. Same thing with JFK assassination…need I go on? This line of reasoning is entirely juvenile.

    What I find absolutely and completely befuddling is that as Ron expresses his dismay at the covid origin story being shoved under the proverbial carpet and his distrust of vaccine skepticism and conspiracy, he seems completely oblivious to the fact that the SAME ACTORS benefit from both the suppression of the origins truth and that of vaccine adverse effects. The chief actors on account of the evidence are the WEF and Bill Gates.

    How can this basic most manifest of realities escape Ron that despite the very vocal and spirited covid vaccine skepticism that he finds so irritating, the concerted, heavy-handed and relentless campaign by Big Tech, media and the authorities to target and suppress covid vaccine skepticism has been largely successful and has managed to keep the public in the dark about the jab’s deadly effects in the SAME MANNER as the covid origins truth?

    It would be one thing if vaccine skepticism, if it was the brainchild of some hidden elites as Ron claims it to be, was making headway in gaining official recognition and going from strength to strength in converting mainstream figures to its cause. Despite its traction with the lay masses and independent medical voices, there’s no evidence it is being taken seriously by ANY authorities, medical, media-related, governmental or otherwise.

    It’s extremely hubrisitic and narrow-minded of Ron to blame vaccine skepticism for having stolen the spotlight from the origins truth. How do we know killing millions of people wasn’t the prime objective when the vaccine’s primary benefactors have a clear and documented history of complaining about overpopulation and supporting eugenics? Why then should the vaccines NOT be the central story? Who cares how exactly the virus came to be created and released when it is ITS intended goal of reducing human population and creating a techno-medical tyrannical surveillance state that is far more important to consider and reflect upon?

    It is also puerile to posit, as Ron has, a singular goal for an event and occurence of this magnitude, i.e. the only purpose of releasing covid in his estimation is geopolitical, i.e. to damage America’s adversaries, namely China and Iran. Why can’t there be MORE than one goal (and perpetrator) behind something as gargantuan as releasing covid upon the world? If 9/11 benefited not just the craven PNAC miscreants, but also Israel, weapons manufacturers and defense contractors to name a few, why can’t releasing covid benefit the U.S. government, the WEF, Bill Gates, Big Pharma, Big Tech, Big Business…?

    Put simply, why can’t you understand Ron that if the powers that be take claims of vaccine inefficacy and adverse events seriously, that they’d have to face the hard truths about ALL aspects of the pandemic, i.e. the complete inefficacy of masks and the theater surrounding it, the sham of PCR testing and of infection and fatality case counts and most important of all, for you, its origins?

  15. skrik says:

    Mr Unz:

    suggesting that techniques of “cognitive infiltration” may have been deployed against alternative organizations and activists

    Me:

    suggesting that techniques of “cognitive infiltration” *must* have been deployed against alternative organizations and activists

    There, FIFY. I am on record in this blog as having independently discovered the PRRA polybasic furin cleavage site in the genetic sequence of the spike in the SARS-CoV-2 virus, not actually knowing then what it was that I had found. Much later a doctoral dissertation by a Chinese academic was brought to my notice, identifying the 12-nucleotide off-frame insertion as being contained in a 19-nucleotide sequence in a US patent. Of course, although this may have identified the origin of the PRRA insert, since patents are in the public domain, there is no information there to identify the perpetrator(s). Just saying.

    But moving on and since we don’t ‘do’ coincidences, cognitive infiltration must also explain the West-wide outbreak of anti-Russian hate-hysteria, and so much so, that a great majority of people in the German electorate seems to support their mad ample-coalition’s deliberate destruction of German industry plus the immanent freezing of that electorate in the coming winter. Brrr!

    Getting even more ‘extreme,’ some authorities in Europe are already anticipating protests by freezing, unemployed citizens, and preparing to brand such as extremist rabid conspiracy activists, again just saying. rgds

    • Replies: @skrik
    , @skrik
  16. skrik says:
    @skrik

    imminent freezing, but both could apply.

  17. skrik says:
    @skrik

    “Ampel-Koalition” – sorry; too hasty.

  18. Pikachu says:
    @emerging majority

    All this crazy weather we’re seeing has HAARP written all over it.

  19. Anon[357] • Disclaimer says:

    There was no structure to any of the thought here 2 years ago, and there’s less structure to the thought here now.

    Ron, note to self: Staunchly repeating nonsense doesn’t manifest evidence. If you’ve got something just put it out there. These mealy-mouth diatribes are way long in the tooth.

    Everything Ron claims could be true! Or not.

    The popular press will pick up on it when it gets beyond begging questions and exposes some dirt.

    These articles could just as well be laments about why isn’t there a national dialog about my psoriasis ?! When will joos be fingered for my achy knees?! What about Bill Gates and my gingivitis?! If I cut and paste my laments so that they equal 100,000 words, will Murdoch take me more seriously?

    BTW—It looks like RFK finally got booted from the only platform he had left for mouthing off similar nonsense that stands in the way of basic public health. RFK’s incredible pitch? “But what about the children! Who will think of the children?!”

    Hearts and minds.

    Oh, and Ivermectin was just horse dewormer, and that’s all. Paging Dr. Benghazi!

    My god, this site is so tedious.

    But I keep reading just like I keep scratching my balls.

    Pls try to make it less angry and more entertaining?

    As we learned from Q, it’s not necessary for news to be true in any deep sense. Have more fun with it.

    And who knows you could be right! Or not.

  20. I speculated that the huge, sudden rise of a massive anti-vaxxing movement in America might be an example of this. A couple of years ago, vaccine issues were almost invisible, but soon after questions arose regarding the true origins of the Covid virus, the vaccination controversy moved to the absolute center stage of American public life, completely dominating the thoughts of most of those willing to challenge official orthodoxy on any other matter.

    Ahhh, geeze, Edith … Again, the vaccine “issue” before the mRNA gene therapy was rolled out had been small – there was discussion of increased autism due to the general material in all vaccines. I take no side in this controversy, except to note that, the question of coercion was a big part of the discussion.

    Why did this “controversy move to the absolute center stage ..”? It’s not the same issue, that’s why. Here’s the new controversy:

    1) The Kung Flu vaccines are not seen to be simple vaccines – they are more like gene therapy.

    2) They are not vaccines by working definition, as they neither prevent those taking it from getting the disease they are supposed to inoculate one from nor do they prevent spread of the virus.

    3) They are made for a disease that is at this point a nothingburger and was nothing but a nothingburger for all but the obese and/or very old from the beginning.

    This adds up, for most sane people, to:

    4) The risk/benefit ratio for it is very high.* There are very few people for which I would have it’d pay off early on, and now, I’d say there is nobody for which it does.

    That’d all not be controversial even so, were there not a huge attempt in many States/nations, schools, place of employment, etc. to make these vaccines mandatory.

    Those who a) don’t like the idea of another Totalitarian mandatory “response” to the Kung Flu and/or b) don’t want to take it for the reasons above have all fought against their (and others’) being made to take it.

    What in the hell is so hard to understand about that? Rather than being some conspiracy chaff per your theory of conspiracies, this anti-Covid-vax movement has coalesced due to lots of people simply NOT wanting to take the vax and resisting being force to. Those of us who kept fighting have been successful not only resisting taking it, but in stopping the calls for these mandatory “vaccines”.**

    How do you know this issue “completely dominates the thoughts” of we who are not up for this coercion? I’m pretty sure what dominates the thoughts of about 1/2 of us is still the same as what it’s always been: pussy.

    .

    * I haven’t even mentioned the unknown risks to fertility – those that should be worried, in that category, are young ladies, who have virtually zero risk of dying from the Covid-one-niner.

    ** We went to the UK – it’s all over with, even there. No vax was required (not even a Photoshopped™ “vaccine passport” and not even a + test result was. Nobody cares!

  21. @Dumbo

    Without seeking to support your theme I note that your “everywhere” is wrong because China’s no-Covid policy is completely different from most countries’ approach but reconcilable with the view that governments are exploiting Covid 19 for dubious purposes

    • Replies: @Blissex
  22. As a result, I suspect that a thousand times as much time and effort has recently been devoted to debating the safety and efficacy of Covid vaccines than to investigating the true origins of the disease that made them necessary.

    And rightly so if it is 1,000 times, I might add. The mandatory vaxxing was effecting people personally, killing many even. OTOH, many of us remember previous viruses out of the Orient and never noticed huge PanicFests being created before about them.

    The origins might be important to you, because blaming everything that’s ever gone on in the world on America is your thing. Most of us have the common sense that sees that “million”-man blowback as evidence against it* being an American plot, understand Chinese Q/C, and may have read something along the way of the labs in Wuhan.

    .

    * “It” being the virus itself. The 2-year PanicFest most certainly could have been a plot, but more of a worldwide one – Bill Gates, I dunno – I think Windows 10 was likely the extent of the damage he’s done to the world. (That doesn’t stop him from trying, though – look at what he’s done in Africa.)

  23. Simon D says:
    @Dumbo

    He also quotes the death-toll put out by the mainstream media he purports to denigrate, when we have proof that the numbers were deliberately inflated. Hospitals and individual doctors were paid to ascribe as many deaths as possible to ‘Covid’. Anyone who died within 30 days of a positive test (the PCR tests themselves being fraudulently run to 45 cycles and above, and in any case not fit for purpose, according to the inventor) was deemed to have died of Covid, an absurdity that even included victims of traffic accidents. Moreover, there was deliberate conflation of death ‘with’ and death ‘of’ Covid. In short the 15 million figure is meaningless.

    Then Mr Unz downplays the deleterious effects of the ‘vaccines’ (which of course are not vaccines at all in the accepted sense, even though the definition has been recently changed, the truth being malleable these days). Check out the Substack page run by Steve Kirsch, one of the most indefatigable investigators of harms caused by the jabs:

    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/

    Finally we have all this stuff about lockdowns and masks, none of which makes any scientific sense if the object is to minimize the medical and economic damage caused by a viral pandemic. It makes sense only if there is another purpose, and the fact that these policies were adopted almost worldwide suggests that this was not all an American enterprise.

    I would not be surprised if the original agent had been concocted in the Devil’s Kitchen of U.S. biolabs, but there is a lot more to this story than a mere desire to impoverish China and assassinate Iranian leaders.

    • Agree: Agent76, MPJ
    • Thanks: Nancy
    • Replies: @MPJ
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  24. Ron Unz says:
    @Anon

    For the same of argument, let’s assume I’m correct and there’s at least a pretty good chance that the blowback from an unauthorized biowarfare attack has now killed a million Americans.

    Sure, I noticed that typo long ago. But since I’m quoting that casual email I sent to that friend of mine a couple of weeks ago, it really wouldn’t be proper to “correct” the text.

    • Agree: AlexanderEngUK
  25. The difficult year or two of lockdown conditions under which so many Americans had suffered fostered the social isolation that naturally allowed even the most fantastical ideas to take root among the fearful.

    Yes, upon reflection, we came upon the fantastical idea that purposefully ruining what was left of economies around the world, making people wear ridiculous ineffective face masks, urging the incessant wiping off of anything and everything, putting silly stickers on floors, on walls, in elevators, and the rest of it, all on the constantly changing whims of EXPERTS, was a fairly successful attempt at increasing Totalitarianism, with this latest virus being used as the excuse.

    Yes, I do know your intention of this sentence. You mean to imply people got a little crazy. Yes, the BLM and the antifa Commies were given carte blanche to destroy, loot, burn, and even kill for the summer of ’20 and beyond. Those are some people with some fantastical ideas for you…

    • Agree: roonaldo
  26. @Ultrafart the Brave

    Ron often mentions several higher up Iranian politicians dying of Covid-19 early on and I suppose that is suspicious. But the deaths of several African heads of state who refused to introduce the Covid-19 vaccines, of Covid-19 or whatever, is far more astounding and deserves attention.

    • Agree: Nancy, MPJ
    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  27. To dissent from a dissenter who doesn’t dissent on key establishment assumptions (now being discredited even in the certain sections of the establishment media) is I propose true dissent. Because it’s the assent that the dissenter gives key establishment assumptions that is the truly dangerous assent.

    The dissenter in question assents to core establishment narratives.

    The real dissenter questions the core establishment narratives on: lockdowns, early treatment protocols, repurposed drugs, mandates, maskism, covid vaxxism, intentional criminal foreknowlege and preparation (Event 201 etc), digital currency as a goal.

    I’m with the real dissenters, but I applaud assenting dissenters also. Inch by inch row by row together we’ll make the garden grow.

  28. Levtraro says:

    Our country is so utterly dominant in the distribution of information and propaganda, including the electronic and social media, that we can easily persuade most of the world to accept as truth our manufactured illusions. But we cannot alter the underlying reality, perhaps leading to disastrous ultimate consequences.

    One funny consequence of the mistmacth between Western PR-driven perception and hardcore physical reality is that westerners mistakenly think that everybody else in the world is worried about what the West think of them. Westerners think that others think:

    Will the West see my actions in a good light? What will the West think of this? Will the West find my actions democratic enough? Will the West let me use its finantial system? Will the West accept our “aspirations” to become like the West? Are we doing enough to be and appear to be more West-esque?

    I guess this particular degrading of the intellectual fibre of the West is caused by excessive feminization of Western ideological discourse.

  29. And so it goes. The pantheon of lies grows ever larger. While the biolab may be part of the scam it is the lockstep “reaponse” by world entities to the supposed release that marks it as an entirely scripted affair.

  30. @Ron Unz

    Since a most important subject raised by your article is why your brilliant insights and passionately argued convictions have had little influence so far where it could matter I draw attention to something missed by the quibbling anon but which screams for attention. No one could say on the evidence of your successful English for the Children campaigns that you had a tin ear. Of course they were grounded in hard facts. By contrast most of your American Pravda theories against conventional wisdom has been founded on the reading of many books. And your Covid origins theory? Maybe sui generically something which is peculiarly yours and quite capable at least of obstructing hearing. My “tin ear” reference is inspired by

    Earlier this month I sent this plaintive note to a member of America’s elite establishment with whom I’ve been friendly for many years

    followed by your lengthy complaint,and then

    And his reply:

    It is quite amazing.

    And you didn’t read that as quietly humouring you? Of course there may be more but the fact that you didn’t think it necessary to give any more is telling.

    Your general complaint can be fairly said to be against those in the MSM who are editors or actual or wannabe op-ed writers. And they must understand you as the op-ed writer under pressure to be exciting, passionately convinced and convincing almost daily and shrug their shoulders cynically as they find any ready excuse to treat you as a sometimes interesting eccentric whom it is no loss to ignore.

    I have had this wiped out too often, so TBC

  31. SafeNow says:

    During the Challenger-disaster hearings, top-scientist Richard Feynman immersed some o-ring material into a glass of ice water, then compressed it to show it had lost its necessary resiliency. This clip was played and replayed countless times throughout the world, and made the case understandably and explosively in a way that no well-meaning spokesman such as Sachs could have accomplished through abstract explanation. Unfortunately, as Mao knew, this is how most receivers of information think. (See “Curating Revolution,” a superb book by Yale’s Denise Ho. The Mao phrase for the effect of a physical artifact is “proof of crime” or “ironclad evidence.” The people who raided Trump were seeking their own tangible, “classified” “proof of crime.”

    Btw, regarding Ron’s typo, as business travelers used to say, “If you don’t miss a few planes a year, you are spending too much time at airports.”

  32. Sam Smith says:

    Thus, since early 2020, the likely reality of an event of monumental historical importance—the unauthorized release of a military bioweapon that has killed so many millions worldwide—has been successfully suppressed within America and the rest of the West.

    Ron, how do you know that Covid-19 was an unauthorized release? I think on this point, you are out on a limb. On the contrary, I believe it was an authorized release by the US govt to slow down China’s astonishing progress and development. Instead, it blew up in America’s face.

    Americans and the sheeple in the West are basically living in the information bubble of the Matrix. It’s highly effective but dangerous. It is dangerous to their sheeple. Look at the results of this biowarfare blowback: over a million death in the US alone. Nobody really knows, except the good folks at Ft. Detrick, what the INTENDED LONG TERM effects are of this Covid-19 virus. There has been a few reports here and there, mostly on RT and Sputnik News, but nothing definitive.

    For those who have contracted it, I suspect that some of the long term effects of Covid-19 include infertility and other neurosystemic problems that will be “activated” in the near future.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  33. @Ron Unz

    Continued.

    I see little similarity between the barriers to communication inflicted on you in April 2020 by Google and FB and Twitter’s cutting off a Russian general in time of war when the Kremlin can be guaranteed to ensure that unfriendly Russian purpose would beat truth every time. Have you ever got to the bottom of what Google and FB did to UR in 2020? I doubted then that your biowarfare theory was your real problem and I haven’t read anything to change that tentative opinion.

    Were other media than Google and FB also asked to ban or restrict you?

    As I note below I think you may attach too much weight in the American psyche to that 1 million excess deaths that I don’t despite you have correctly calculated. So it was I beieve quite likely that your stalkers at the ADL and/or SPLC saw an opportunity when fear of the unknown was rising and pressured Google and FB to act against you. It fits with the probability that, whoever initiated the complaint, it wouldn’t have been confine to Google and FB. So maybe there was some push back. Some took no action and Google was half hearted about it. Have you learned more about it?

    An inessential but definitely part of the case you make against yout theory being ignores is the unprecedentedly horrendous nature of the 1 million excess deaths. Your characterisation is overblown. Lincoln’s folly in attacking states which wanted to secede was many times as damaging in relative numbers and the age of those killed and wounded. Even allowing for high demographic changes it is clear that the deaths in bed of mostly elderly and poor people whom one wasn’t close to is quickly passed over. A relative just back from two weeks in the US told me that both one mentioned Covid :they seem to be over it”. And that’s not counting all those who think there was no ‘it”.

    Back yo why a theory of yours which is strongly disputed but stubbornly asserted with no new evidence may carry little weight with those MSM and other Alt Media types who neglect mention of it, maybe it is not helped by the company you keep amongst contributing authors on your website who in the last couple of years have become lopsidedly a large cranky bunch. And it hasn’t done your own credit much good to accept the likes of Scott Ritter as carrying any authority.

    • Troll: AlexanderEngUK
  34. ” . . . large portions of the Iranian ruling elites became infected by a mysterious and deadly new virus, with many of them soon dying as a consequence. Could any rational individual possibly regard this as a mere coincidence?”

    How was the ‘virus’ introduced and transmitted in Iran?

    • Replies: @skrik
  35. Abbybwood says:
    @Alrenous

    There is also this little scenario referred to as a “tipping point”.

    I believe it is around 20% of the public figuring out what is going on (take the jabs and their now known none safety and none effectiveness as an example. They have been proven to be unsafe with hundreds of younger males developing myocarditis as one example has been proven, they obviously are not classic “vaccines” by any stretch as by now a majority of the jabbed and triple jabbed and boosted have gotten Covid sometimes twice AND they are transmitting it to others as well.

    Once that certain 20% realize personally the truth about the jabs and the tipping point is reached the time will only accelerate until enough people understand the truth. Enough people to break through the censorship bubble to achieve a mainstream knowing relegating Twitter, FB and the NYT as mere “rocks in the stream” that must be ignored and swum around.

    The revelation of COVID’s origin will follow the same tipping point. Just one solid, credible whistleblower with one or two solid members of Congress who have lost their fear of reprisals will do the job of reaching a tipping point on this as well. Due to the general cowardice and apathy of the American people, probably voting as many of the criminal liars out of Congress will be the best the American people will be capable of doing.

    Only a matter of time.

  36. trindel says:

    Not a big fan of Ron w.r.t. the vaccines and immigration, but I have to say his explanation on the origins of Covid is the one which convinced me. It also helped me understand the behaviors of the Chinese and Iranian governments.
    The vaccine issue however, is still pertinent, and in this regard Robert Kennedy gets it right.

  37. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s said that one can’t fool all the people all the time, which is true enough but is unnecessary. All that’s needed is to fool most of them all the time. They’ll respond in the right way and acquiesce for anything, form mobs to suppress dissident thinkers as unpatriotic, spreading false information, being conduits of foreign propaganda, etc. Americans live in a bubble, a fish tank that’s self contained with little inflow of contrary information. They’re also naive and stupidly unconcerned. As Barnum said about a sucker being born every minute, as soon as someone starts to see through the smoke and mirrors and begins to wise up two more of the next generation of fools comes up to replace them. America is a test tube example of a full spectrum 24/7 propaganda environment that operates full blast from the moment a child becomes sentient enough to start absorbing things from their surroundings. Looking at it it’s a wonder anybody can think at all.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    , @Anon
  38. cohen says:

    I hate to repeat myself but the facts outweigh my fear.
    This web site and specially the commentators do a great job on information dissemination. It was great to learn many great things during Covid scare, like Kennedy’s book, Dr. Peter McCullough, Dr. Robert Malone and Dr. Kary Mullis to name a few, Such discussions were enough to keep me away from Jabs.
    I had taken more than 30 PCR tests because of travel requirements but not the vaccine (one bebefits of being American to get by with PCR test in Foreign countries). Those were the days. The good old days.
    In late December, 2021, the cost of PCR test at JFK airport sky rocketed to $ 500.00 and there was a big line of panicky passengers to get the magic paper to travel.

    Converse observations:
    1. Why we are avoiding discussion of vaccine hoaxes. How can a vaccine be made without isolating the virus. Does anyone care?

    2. More than 40,000 deaths are attributed to Codvid vaccines (of course it will be investigated in the year 2050 due to national security reasons…). In 1980s or so, one of the vaccine was taken off the market after 25 deaths were caused by the vaccine…. as I recall). A discussion would have been great. We still have time to discuss and put the culprits behind bars.

    3. The real science on face mask N-95 was shrugged off on this site. The technology exists (IBM nano tech to size nano particle). Legitimate questions regarding the size of Virus were ignored and laughed at. We are talking about science. It was like coming up with a solution without defining the problem (Dr. Edward Demming). To this day, there is no debate or any investigation. One one of the podcast of two doctors asking from their listeners information/science on the subject of filtration. I dont know how to get in touch with them (may be laziness or who knows??? on my part)

    4. And above all:
    Since when the writers or intellectuals became expert on scientific matters, including Ron UNZ. I remember my favorite writer Alex Cockburn of Counterpunch once giving his expert opinion on C-SPAN regarding 9-11 , Same with Noam Chomsky who not only provides his expertise on 9-11 but on Covid, and now we have Ron is Joining the crowd of the experts. These people have not business in misleading people on the subjects they dont know anything about. Or at least they could use a disclaimer as a courtesy.

    • Replies: @AlexanderEngUK
  39. Karl1906 says:

    Not to repeat myself but BOTH – China & Russia – have stated VERY CLEARLY that they WILL consider a virological attack of this kind a declaration of war. And retaliate with nuclear weapons “accordingly”. There is nothing to be debated here.

    No wonder the American establishment and its accomplices in the main stream media keep their mouths shut and their assholes tight about this. They know why.

  40. Anon[357] • Disclaimer says:

    Just for grins, a journalistic investigation into origins of pandemic might look something like trying to gather actual evidence, as difficult as it may be due to do many interests that may be threatened by proximity to the outbreak.

    This is what research looks like, working from the bottom up, fighting for access to records and discovering patterns.

    Unz works from the top down, he hears stories and cobbles together a preferred narrative, cherrypicking and draining what advances his narrative, and makes things up for dramatic effect: such as USA has bioweapons programs, USA it out for Iran, Iranians died, Iran claims they died of bio-attack, therefore Covid is a biowarfare operation. QED. And whatabout everything that doesn’t fit this narrative? Well, you see, Covid was a “failed” or “corrupted” or “incompetent” biowarfare operation.

    The hallmark of the modern conspiracist is his perfect knowledge of what’s not understood. The world is imperfect in that it doesn’t fit the presuppositions of the theory, and those imperfections must be eliminated. It’s intellectually bigoted and relies on getting others to embrace the narrative, then backfill it. And this is Ron’s claim: Why is his narrative not being entertained? This is precisely Trump’s m.o. where truth begins with political expediency: first you are on my side, then we go from there. What Ron fails to appreciate in his pleas is if he has only conjecture, and no political power to sway others, why should anyone else ascribe to his version of events?

    The recent article by Larry Romanoff “Americans are Criminally Insane” is a specific correlate to Ron’s distorted thoughts patterns:

    https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/americans-are-criminally-insane/

    In this article Romanoff does a wide but superficial survey of American atrocities, which are doubtably true. Doubtable not in the sense that the reported events are false, or even misleading, but in the sense that the events by pure manner of presentation are disconnected from any situational context which helps understand why they transpired as they did. Romanoff wants to rhetorically connect “pure evil” and “USA” and “events” in a manner to cause his reader intense cognitive dissonance. This has to to do with attention-seeking, not a principled review of history informing a political commonwealth.

    Ron’s grievance that a million Americans died is literally subordinate in Ron’s mind to the fact that Ron isn’t getting the attention he wants for his pet theory.

    Trump feels the sane way about the last Presidential election: He won in his mind, and he has legion of minions running around trying to eliminate the news that he didn’t.

    This dovetails with Arrendt’s thesis on the Banality of Evil, which is that so much of the horror we see comes from the rarefied retrospective of the impassioned observer trying and failing to take stock of a world of a magnitude that defies his common sense, when a more careful reading of history shows the process of the commission of atrocities is actually mundane and mechanical. This feature of reality let the head of the Nazi rocket program stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Walt Disney to announce the Apollo project, and the moonshot, which by an enormous preponderance of evidence is rightly believed to have actually happened!

    Could you wake up one day and discover you’d always been lied to. Sure, but the same applies to everything you think, including your thought that you’ve been caught in a lie: the conspiracy is so vast, even your reckoning that you’re caught in a lie is part of a greater lie.

    There’s a dimension of the American right that assumed that it can’t believe itself anymore, rightly so, because the movement is predicated on such vast willful deceit, where the cognitive dissonance generated by liberal thought among conservatism as it regards its own history has caused a psychotic split: as evinced by Romanoff whose revue of American atrocities is an indictment of American conservative policy: My Country Tis of Thee, a unipolar, aggressive, powerful America that makes its own reality according to righteous channeling of God’s Will and a Spirit of Adventure.

    What Ron’s account of the debacle of Covid leaves out is the Conservative mantra for all of the harms America has wreaked: Yes we failed, but we meant well; sacrifices were necessary, etc and so on.

    How Conservatism got from errors in interpreting Divine Justice to Ron’s looping USA Libertarianism buttressed by Romanoff’s wailing self-hatred is one of the great political mysteries. It’s like Republicans who think Trump is just too much, and is wrecking the party: the Party made Trump: he is the profound expression of the party values and a lynchpin to its power. If Trump isn’t working out for you, you have discovered you are not a Republican! Which is why all the actual conservatives are Democrats. The so-called “independents” are a ragtag band of true Republicans, who hibernate waiting for the sunshine of the next Dear Leader. In Ron’s case, his hibernation is attended by very vivid dreams and in Romanoff’s it’s night terrors.

    • Troll: AlexanderEngUK
  41. Challenging America’s Lords of Illusion

    Isn’t labeling today’s low-rent media flimflam artists “Lords of Illusion” rather overselling their current abilities?

    Sure, when people primarily got their information through newspapers and television, efforts like Operation Mockingbird meant something. After all, who were you going to compare notes with? Your friends and neighbours? They were probably reading the same newspapers and watching the same TV programmes you were.

    In 2022, however, the peasants are now able to compare notes. Worse, bright, articulate peasants have a way to reach an audience of other peasants who are casting about and trying to make sense of the world without the dubious “help” of long-compromised mainstream media outlets.

    While I do not doubt the efforts of politicians and profiteers to divert attention away from their stupidity and wrongdoing will continue, I do not see their efforts being nearly as successful as they once might have been.

    The point being: the epithet “Lords of Illusion” may serve to lend the present cheat and liars who try to control the West an air of mastery they have not had for some time. Perhaps if you could see your way to replacing “Lords of Illusion” with something that better conveys the despicable qualities of these chronic liars (“Pissants of Perjury” has a ring to it), your writing might hew closer to the media landscape your readers face.

    • Replies: @AlexanderEngUK
  42. I still like my own conspiracy theory best, which I arrived at shortly after solid numbers from Covid were available: It was a worldwide attempt to make pension schemes whole by killing the beneficiaries a few years early. I say “pension schemes” loosely, because even poorer countries have to take care of their elders in some–typically expensive–fashion. What else could China and the US agree on so readily?

    Ron’s conspiracy theory makes as much sense as releasing chlorine gas into a headwinds.

    • Replies: @Cowboy
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  43. geokat62 says:

    Challenging America’s Lords of Illusion

    America’s?

    “By way of deception thou shalt do war.” – Mossad

  44. roonaldo says:

    Through much of the article, Mr. Unz speaks in extreme terms, “absolutely no one is willing to discuss it” – “absolutely no one is willing to take a public stand” – “near absolute censorship…by nearly all alternative journalists” – “complete unwillingness of virtually any mainstream or alternative Western journalist to take notice…”

    He’s impressed by the power of U.S. propaganda to “utterly dominate” most of the world stage, as a Lord of Illusion. But examples he cites make one suspect the world ain’t buying the bullshit.

    He thinks antivax sentiment suddenly mushroomed up from out of nowhere, but eminent virologists were sounding caution alarms as soon as mRNA technology was proposed as a means to produce vaccines against covid19. Prominent democrats were among the earliest “antivaxxers” as they pooh-poohed the Orange Man’s pronouncements.

    Mr. Unz’s writings on covid origins are a very worthwhile compilation of materials which were already known to curious internet denizens. We’re fortunate that he originated and maintains this website, and for that I thank him. But far more people on this planet than he realizes are not drinking the Lord of Illusion’s Kool-aid.

    • Agree: MPJ
  45. Covid-19 is the biggest illusion of them all, it does not exist, but has been used to terrify the people into getting the MRNA genocide shot to depopulate the world and it is all based on an illusion concocted by the WEF and UN Agenda 2030 and the Rockefeller and Gates Foundations and the WHO, etc..

    The covid-19 scam and psyop and genocide agenda is the greatest crime against humanity in the history of the world.

    • Troll: AlexanderEngUK
    • Replies: @mkr
  46. mkr says:
    @Desert Fox

    I too believe that Covid-19 may not even exist at all. Everything leads to that conclusion. There are articles where a Stanford epidemiologist says that Covid-19 has been around since 2019 (using PCR test) and that if it weren’t for PCR tests calibrated to detect “Covid-19” they would have thought it was just another flu season. The health authorities even admitted that the PCR test confuses the flu and Covid-19. The flu essentially disappeared from statistics in 2020, they want us to think that the flu disappeared because of masks and social distancing which do nothing to stop viral transmission.

    The “vaccine” does exist.

    I had “Covid-19” two months ago, the rapid test said so, yeah right, more like a cold or a super mild flu.

  47. Chris Moore says: • Website

    When I brought his recent interview to the attention of several prominent mainstream individuals whom I personally know, they found it absolutely stunning. But apparently nearly every journalist in America thought otherwise, so its impact on the public debate has been almost nil.

    Supposedly the ((method actors)) that now comprise the American establishment find revelations about probable establishment atrocities “stunning”? I’m sure they’ve professed to find accusations of Judeofascist atrocities committed by Israel against Palestinians “stunning” over the years, too… then gone right back to their phony, method acting existence.

    These are people whose entire existence is a bankster and big government created bubble, totally insulated from the realities of the average folk — just like the Judeofascists of Israel reliant upon unlimited Federal Reserve notes.

    Facing reality is not the kosherite forte. In fact, quite the opposite. Clinging to delusions, illusions and fantasies inside their kosher echo chambers — with the occasional shocked… shocked! line of dialog to break the monotony, is the true ZOG way.

  48. Anonymous[133] • Disclaimer says:

    Langley has installed illegal domestic agents in Google and Facebook, for thought control, and they’re busy caricaturing every grain of truth for mass media ridicule. There’s no such thing as a virus. There’s teeny tiny nanocarbon self-assembling space stations in the vaccine. Buffoonish dotard Klaus Schwab did it. Jewry did it.

    Rigorous scrutiny of the vaccine sector comes not from anonymous Q-cleared insiders but from RFK Jr., who is demonstrably not on CIA’s side. (“My family has been in a 60 year battle…”)

    Renz has the best functional synthesis of vaccine and germ agent. The crime of SARS2 vaccines is not the known effects. The crime is mass medical experimentation under ulterior constraint and coercion – a crime against humanity, regardless of efficacy and safety.

    And vaccine development is best understood as an inchoate crime against peace. When you cook up the banned biological weapon you cook up the vaccine too. The public/private partnership of CIA’s sneak attack shows us open-source documentary proof of CIA’s plan and conspiracy for war.

  49. So basically Ron is saying that we should be very skeptical of the origins of Covid, but only an insane “anti vaxxer” would question the veracity of big pharma’s extremely profitable response to it.

    Who is distracting whom?

    • Agree: MPJ
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  50. Cowboy says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    My reaction to his elite buddies reaction was, is his elite buddy really that stupid?

  51. Cowboy says:
    @onetwothree

    I figured that same thing when the govenors were sending infected patients back into the rest homes so they could infect and kill off the rest of them.

  52. @jimbojones

    for figuring out the release of the virus so quickly

    Yes but, did he really?

    The way China has been carrying-on the last few months regarding Covid is highly suspect. Meaning more lockdowns there and people wearing hazmat-type, body-to-toe, suits with masks and face shields sitting at a table at a playground and swabbing little kids coming by. In June 2022! What the heck is that? Smells like scam to me. Seems as if China is trying to keep The Coof hysteria alive. Why? Because they want more needles in arms of their special potion?

    Until someone proves otherwise, I am of the mind that all of the powerful countries in the world were in on the Covid scam. Their uniform and coordinated reactions to the “pandemic” are a huge tell.

    He also deserves credit for permitting the many “anti-vaxxer” articles on the site.

    Why special credit for that? It would have been inappropriate not to have a variety of angles and views represented on any aspect of the “pandemic”.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  53. This jew is still pushing covid.

  54. MarkU says:

    Like many others here I am puzzled by Ron Unz’s stance on some Covid issues.

    We have a man who has no problem imagining that Covid-19 was created in a lab and that it was intended (and possibly used) as a bio-weapon against the west’s political rivals.

    Yet the same man appears to be resistant to the following :-

    1) That pharmaceutical companies might exaggerate the effectiveness and safety of their product.

    2) That pharmaceutical companies might have deliberately suppressed other treatments in order to get emergency authorisation for their experimental treatments (thus adding to the death toll)

    3) That pharmaceutical companies might (with the help of their stooges in government and the health service) seek to exaggerate the actual lethality of Covid-19 by promoting the use of unreasonably wide counting criteria in order to increase the demand for their product.

    4) That our ruling oligarchs might use the crisis in order to further their agenda (never let a crisis go to waste) and use ‘Covid passes’ as a sneaky way to introduce ID cards and curtail civil liberties.

    Does this make me a crazed anti-vaxxer?

  55. ld says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    I would like to access your website
    the link provided does not work

  56. Anon[854] • Disclaimer says:

    I could give a shit if Covid originated in Hillory’s pant suit. Viruses can never be completely eradicated. They still exist and under the right conditions explode again.

    Malaria for example was discovered in 1880 and since then there must be close to a dozen different strains. No amount of spraying with the most deadly chemicals or vaccine medications is going to wipe it out. These microbes have as strong a desire to survive and adapt as any other living thing.The human body, when strong and properly nourished, can take these germs and build a natural immunity. If it were not so humans would be extinct. Those who are weak die. That is how nature operates !

    That said. the survival rate for Covid was around 99.85%. The Powers that be need to come out and say if you want to mask up, quarantine for the next hundred years under your bed and get boosters every day, then go for it. Its a personal choice, no one cares, you take responsibility for your own health. The rest of us are tired of this thing and want to move on.

    Covid was a hoax and money and control was the motivation. Prominent idiots with multiple shots still got the virus because the vaccines were crap. As an aside, when the virus became boring the Ukraine War was the next drama and as we lost interest in that the Mar O Lago raid. The vulgar rabble love to Jitterbug to the MSM’s funk.

    The thinking people among us know all this. The problem is the 80% who are malleable idiots. As for speculating any more as to the how when and where of the virus, I dont care ! Life is a blip as it is and we need to LIVE and enjoy it. Frightened Fridays can listen to the Gummint bullshit, obsess about the virus and lock themselves up. Their choice ! The rest of us have had enough !

    • Thanks: RestiveUs
    • Replies: @Anymike
  57. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:

    Unz,

    You keep having to make the same point, over and over and over again…

    ….Because you’re still pointing at the mouse in the room and pointedly ignoring the elephants.

    Like indicating a fuscia-painted house, and replying, “no, it’s clearly goldenrod” after someone has just named it yellow. Meanwhile most everyone else sees it as pink. It’s a bit closer to the reality, but the reality is so extreme that the bit only matters to people who are legally blind, and therefore unaware of the approaching collossi in the middle distance.

    If you’re aware of this and trying to save some blind people by prying their overton window over a thousand small steps, you do you. Otherwise, there’s no point wailing at people who won’t turn fast enough to survive anyway.

  58. @meamjojo

    “Why care” (about COVID truth)? At the risk of belaboring the obvious, if the origin of COVID in a US bio-attack on Wuhan and Qom fully escapes containment, two extremely positive developments will likely follow:

    1) Bioweapons will be effectively outlawed, with a “truth and reconciliation” scenario imposed on the $100+-billion global biowar sector alongside a strengthened BWC and draconian inspections regime. This alone will likely save humanity from an otherwise horrific and inevitable fate. On the movement to effectively outlaw biological weapons, check out Josh Mitteldorf’s excellent new piece: https://mitteldorf.substack.com/p/tell-your-congressman-outlaw-bioweapons

    2) The US (Zio) empire will take such a massive PR hit that it will see the writing on the wall, fold up its tent, and close its 800+ military bases that occupy 130 countries around the world, officially inaugurating the new multipolar era. That will give American patriots a chance to restore the Republic, and patriots in other nations a chance to regain genuine sovereignty and self-determination.

    The consequences of COVID truth (like 9/11-anthrax truth circa 2001-2008) are so potentially powerful that even if the truth movement has only a 1% chance of success, it would be worth dropping everything you’re doing and devoting serious time and effort to promoting it. We came close, “too close for comfort” from the Establishment’s viewpoint, after 9/11. This time, let’s push it across the finish line!

    • Agree: Sam Smith
    • Replies: @A123
    , @Kurt Knispel
  59. FifthDim says:

    Perhaps we should form a World Depopulation Brainstorming Committee. I am positive that after a few minutes into the brainstorm we would realize in which kind of consciousness level these criminals operate.

  60. Chebyshev says:

    How will the rest of the world retaliate once they all find out our government is responsible for the pandemic? I know the virus and the response to it have caused lots of damage in the U.S., but is that sufficient for everyone to just move on after it’s over?

  61. A123 says: • Website

    There are certainly some useful pieces of information in what Mr. Unz has released. Most notably that COVID-19:

        • Almost certainly came from a laboratory
        • The critical sequence was available to everyone (patent filing)

    blowback from an unauthorized biowarfare attack has now killed a million Americans. … Can you think of anything in the history of the world let alone the history of America that’s comparable to that?

    While being lab engineered COVID-19 is an exceedingly poor choice for intentional use. The base coronavirus is known to be:
        ♦ Highly contagious
        ♦ Highly mutable
    There is even recent history of these undesirable, non weapon like characteristics with the SARS 2002-04 outbreak.

    Why use something that is near 100% guaranteed to “go global”?

    Stealing COVID-19 from Fort Detrick leads towards two possibilities. The traitorous, anti-American thieves were:
        -1- Incompetent, not understanding what they stole
        -2- Targeting the entire planet (not China)

    This poses huge problems for the Fort Detrick conspiracy theories.

    -1- A well crafted plan releasing the wrong agent?

    The first part of the plot was incompetent, but the rest was executed perfectly. While not impossible, this seems improbable. An operation that bungled the theft would be likely to make other technical errors along the complex path of weaponization, transport, and deployment.

    -2- Targeting everyone involved transportation to Wuhan, China?

    Knowing that world wide contamination was inevitable, the anti-American traitors weaved a complex web of steps to move the material from Fort Detrick, USA to Wuhan, China. Again, while not impossible, this seems improbable. If these was a competent anti-American plot, intentionally targeting Americans (along with everyone else), why go through all if the complex steps required to stage the release in Wuhan? There are much easier options to spread the agent to the globe, such as contaminating several major international air terminals.
    ___

    Here is an alternative conspiracy scenario. COVID-19 was:
        ♦ Stolen from Wuhan Institute of Virology [WIV]
        ♦ Released in Wuhan, China

    This simpler “WIV as source” conspiracy is consistent with either base case:

    -1- The plotters were less than competent. They did not fully understand what they stole, and accidentally released it by mishandling.

    -2- The plotters were competent. Knowing that worldwide spread was inevitable they intentionally released it with the minimum number of extra steps after the theft.

    Any “WIV as source” conspiracy is vastly simpler, and thus more likely, versus as similar conspiracy involving “Fort Detrick source to Wuhan” complexity.

    PEACE 😇

  62. skrik says:
    @James Charles

    How was the ‘virus’ introduced and transmitted in Iran?

    My guess: Aerosol-dispensing [mini]drones. I’ve seen such, each looks like an helicopter about 4cm long; never to be found after use, i.e. by ditching into the closest body of water. Iran is [reputedly] overrun by (((covert))) operatives. I expect the same drones were deployed into Russia; they had an otherwise ‘unexplainable’ infection spread. Russia is under attack by ZUSA, most of their anti-R covert operatives are ZUSA/NGO corrupted ‘natives’ = vile traitors. rgds

    • Agree: emersonreturn
    • Replies: @A B Coreopsis
  63. @emerging majority

    Jewish Jeffrey Sachs is shilling for his fellow Jews in Apartheid Israhell where Covid 19 was born.

    http://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2020/03/07/the-dirty-secrets-behind-covid-19/

  64. @anonymous

    America is a test tube example of a full spectrum 24/7 propaganda environment that operates full blast from the moment a child becomes sentient enough to start absorbing things from their surroundings. Looking at it it’s a wonder anybody can think at all.

    Terence McKenna had some great insights on this topic that are still valid today.

    He argued that children are indoctrinated into the “culture” of lies in every culture as part of the “education” process.

    Then young adults remain convinced of the lies as they are repeated at their place of employment.

    By middle age they figure out that their employers have told lie after lie after lie and they start (quietly) questioning what they are told about their work environment.

    As they get a little older they begin (again quietly) questioning everything about their culture and begin to figure out that they have been told a large number of lies.

    In their old age they realize that their entire culture is a pack of lies–and there is nothing they can do about it–because even if the current culture were overthrown the next one would have its own set of lies.

    Rinse and repeat.

    • Thanks: Random Anonymous
    • Replies: @werpor
  65. @MarkU

    5) That pharmaceutical companies and their Western government (intelligence agencies) backers may have murdered several African leaders who opposed their Covid-19 vaccines.

  66. @thotmonger

    Mr. Unz seems to take the position that an evil US government unleashed the virus, but then a benevalent US government quickly developed a vaccine (which has been completely useless, at best) to help the people of the world.

    I don’t know the full truth about the vaccine, but to dismiss those who ask questions about it as crazies doesn’t make sense given Mr. Unz’s deep distrust of the US government. (BTW, I share that deep distrust.)

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @MPJ
    , @Anthony Nugent
  67. Ron Unz says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    So basically Ron is saying that we should be very skeptical of the origins of Covid, but only an insane “anti vaxxer” would question the veracity of big pharma’s extremely profitable response to it.

    Who is distracting whom?

    For the sake of argument, let’s assume your analysis is correct…

    I’d say roughly 15-30% of all Americans are loosely in the anti-vaxxer camp, and there are many thousands or even tens of thousands of zealous anti-vaxxers promoting their views all across the Internet.

    Meanwhile, aside from myself, I can scarcely think of a single individual anywhere actively promoting the Covid/Biowarfare hypothesis that I advocate.

    So if the Deep State is trying to distract people away from anti-vaxxing ideas, they should probably hire a different group of “Cass Sunstein” operatives…

    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
    , @MPJ
    , @Rich
    , @mkr
  68. On a related note the academic works of Alexander Dugin which have been purged at Amazon and Barnes-Noble are not available even at books a million.

    You can still buy his books from the publisher. Arktos. 4th political theory is currently sold out. Ethnos and Sociology is still in stock!

    https://arktos.com/product/ethnosociology/

  69. A123 says: • Website
    @Kevin Barrett

    At the risk of belaboring the obvious, if the origin of COVID in a US bio-attack on Wuhan and Qom fully escapes containment, two extremely positive developments will likely follow:

    2) The US (Zio) empire will take such a massive PR hit that it will see the writing on the wall, fold up its tent, and close its 800+ military bases that occupy 130 countries around the world, officially inaugurating the new multipolar era. That will give American patriots a chance to restore the Republic, and patriots in other nations a chance to regain genuine sovereignty and self-determination.

    So…

    What happens it is proven that the WUHAN-19 virus was a CCP bio-weapon release?

    The CCP empire will take such a massive PR hit that it will see the writing on the wall, fold up its tent, and close its artificial island building in the South China Sea inaugurating the new multipolar era.

    Even better.

    Will the PRC submit, undergoing reunification with a capital in Taipei?

    A single non communist ROC bringing prosperity to the continent. That would give Chinese patriots a chance to restore the Republic, and patriots in other Asian nations a chance to express their sovereignty and self-determination without fearing CCP aggression.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: Sam Smith, A B Coreopsis
  70. @Commentator Mike

    Ron often mentions several higher up Iranian politicians dying of Covid-19 early on…

    IMO there’s no doubt that the Iranian officials were targeted with some sort of pathogen. That definitely supports the narrative that Mr. Unz has meticulously assembled from the early events in the fake Corona Chan “pandemic”.

    FWIW, I suspect that the low-level stooges being manipulated and exploited by the Globalists – including the US military – actually thought that they were running the show and tried to score some points against their strategic adversaries. Hence the release of weaponised pathogens here and there across the globe. A chaotic sub-plot within a larger managed scheme, if you will.

    In any case, whatever they did and whoever did it, ultimately played conveniently into the real game – an orchestrated hysteria to stampede everyone into lining up for their bioweapon injections.

    But the deaths of several African heads of state who refused to introduce the Covid-19 vaccines, of Covid-19 or whatever, is far more astounding and deserves attention.

    I agree, those covert assassinations are a screaming red flag that organised mischief was afoot – quite clearly driven by the Globalists’ push to inject everyone on the planet.

    Self-evident to anyone willing to open their eyes and connect the dots.

    Perhaps with time and the release of new information, Mr. Unz’ narrative may eventually evolve to accept and incorporate the larger reality.

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
  71. Pancho says:

    I expect that, very soon, The Unz Review will be banned for publishing disinformation.

    Disinformation: Any information the New World Order globalists do not like.

    Don’t miss this book: Coronavirus for Dunces. In it you’ll find that the U.S. has a long history of using bacteriological warfare against people, sometimes against it own people.

  72. Johan says:

    I speculated that the huge, sudden rise of a massive anti-vaxxing movement in America might be an example of this. A couple of years ago, vaccine issues were almost invisible, but soon after questions arose regarding the true origins of the Covid virus, the vaccination controversy moved to the absolute center stage of American public life, completely dominating the thoughts of most of those willing to challenge official orthodoxy on any other matter.

    Is there any data about the number of people who do not take the second or third or fourth jab?
    Meaning, these people apparently are in between, they are believers, but on their own account and for their own reasons, they started to defy recommendations.
    How many people do not take the COVID jabs for other reasons, they might be sceptics in between, normally believers. In what category do they fit?

    Meaning that the powers that be have overplayed their hands a bit, which leads to the growth of sceptics and anti-vaxxers. There has been critique of virus theory and vaccinations since the inception of the virus theory, it has become marginal in time, when the promoters of that theory convinced the governments, it is pushed away by the dominant belief, but it is now back in the spotlights.
    Personally I ran across theories which are critical of virus theory and vaccinations several times during the last twenty years, but I never bothered to investigate these more closely, as I have many other interests too, but the alleged pandemic and all its consequences forces many people to start to really inspect the matter.
    Just like many people now have become sort of ‘experts’ in virus theory and vaccinations, people who formerly knew about nothing of it, there is an opposite group, and an in between group who now have their own opinion.

  73. @Ron Unz

    Thanks for your reply Ron.

    I just don’t know how you can believe that everyone should be deeply skeptical of what government and media have said about the origins of Covid on one hand, but also believe that the same government and media are telling the stone cold truth when it comes to the vaccines that came with it.

    I share your skepticism about the former, but also have skepticism about the latter.

    Personally, I don’t (yet) accept the idea that Bill Gates and the WEF are trying to kill everyone, but I can absolutely believe that big pharma is greedy, corrupt and dishonest enough to push through a potentially dangerous, untested medical procedure for profit. We’re all familiar with Purdue Pharma and the oxycontin scam.

    The fact that Gates and the WEF have said repeatedly that they want billions fewer people on the planet isn’t a smoking gun, but it does raise suspicions. If I told you again and again and again that I wanted my neighbour dead, and then he was found with a bullet in his head one day, would you be suspicious?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  74. MPJ says:
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Mr. Unz seems to take the position that an evil US government unleashed the virus, but then a benevalent US government quickly developed a vaccine (which has been completely useless, at best) to help the people of the world.

    Tell me if there can be more stark cognitive dissonance. The simplest and most plausible explanation that even a caveman can’t deny is that BOTH wings of the U.S. government/establishment are corrupt, i.e. the virus releasing one and the one profiting from the ‘treatment’ and mounting the deadly and destructive ‘covid response’.

    Such confused reasoning is deeply revealing of Mr. Unz’s commitment to the truth. If he cared about the truth of the matter, he’d follow where the evidence leads, in the simplest, most direct manner. But he’s so invested and enthralled by his origins narrative that anything that detracts from it, even if by accident, let alone by design, no matter how legitimate, must be the work of the devil and of dark forces arisen solely with the mission of depriving him $$$, prestige and recognition.

  75. Lord of Light is one of Zelazny’s better efforts. It won both the Hugo and Nebula awards. One of my favorites.

    The thing about covid is there is nothing to be done. The officials themselves won’t touch it. All we can do is our own research and try to determine who is truthful and who is scamming us.

    These people are lying to us about some pretty important things, vaccines, ivermectin, covid origins, etc. They really crossed the line when they okayed vaccines for children six months old and up. There is simply no trusting these people about anything from now on. Russia-gate hoax, Hunter Biden’s laptop and on and on.

    Time to pull up the drawbridge.

  76. MPJ says:
    @Simon D

    but there is a lot more to this story than a mere desire to impoverish China and assassinate Iranian leaders.

    Precisely the point I’ve been harping about. Why must there be a singular goal behind a manufactured crisis of this magnitude and complexity? The fact that a very advanced and sophisticated vaccine was ready, simply waiting in the wings for an excuse for deployment, was entirely due to chance? If a child walked up to me and told me that he thinks Albert Bourla disguised himself as a tourist and released the pathogen in Wuhan with his own hands, I’d be more inclined to believe him over Ron’s origin story. Such is the strength of the Big Pharma connection here.

    Steve Kirsch is an absolute gem and his work has been indispensable to myself and countless others looking for clarity and truth in this very sordid affair.

    Mr. Unz on the other hand blew this opportunity. He had the chance to be on the right side of history but chose to parrot the very establishment he feigns independence from. One year ago, one could make some sort of a feeble excuse for not being clued in on the vaccine scam, maybe even six months ago. Now though, there is simply no excuse with the mountain of evidence to sustain mRNA vaccine advocacy. With every passing day, Ron works hard to erase whatever credibility he has left on this subject.

    The tell for me is simply that Ron refuses to address vaccine adverse effects with even pretentious sobriety. That’s how you know that as a reader, you’re being had.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  77. MPJ says:
    @Ron Unz

    Why must EVERY opposition to establishment narratives be the work of controlled opposition and intelligence operatives? Is it not possible for the masses to retaliate in a natural, organic and very human way to perceived injustices? Thousands of people DID lose their jobs due to vaccine mandates. Hundreds of thousands WERE injured by the vaccine and DID die. Tens of millions of people WERE sidelined and demonized as anti-science luddites for their principled and very reasonable stance on bodily autonomy.

    Why MUST there be a boogeyman around every corner Ron? Is it not possible that the establishment simply overplayed their hand and those who suffered this tyranny rightly rose up in opposition?

    • Replies: @IreneAthena
  78. Ron Unz says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    I just don’t know how you can believe that everyone should be deeply skeptical of what government and media have said about the origins of Covid on one hand, but also believe that the same government and media are telling the stone cold truth when it comes to the vaccines that came with it.

    Sure, I’ve discussed those issues at length in my articles over the last year or so, including my lengthy review of RFK Jr.’s excellent book:

    https://www.unz.com/page/public-health-articles/

    It’s pretty obvious that the MSM and the Pharma companies have been grossly exaggerating the effectiveness of the vaccines from the beginning, and they don’t seem too useful in preventing infection or transmission. Moreover, the massive efforts to vaccinate younger people and even children seems extremely doubtful based on everything I’ve seen. So just as in many situations, both sides of the public debate are substantially wrong, in different ways.

    But there are probably something like 50 to 100 million anti-vaxxers in the the US, and the positions of the louder and more “excitable” ones seem totally ridiculous, very similar to the QAnon lunacy or the “crisis actors” hysteria. As I explained in a recent article, I strongly suspect all these movements were orchestrated by the sort of “cognitive infiltration” associated with Cass Sunstein:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/alex-jones-cass-sunstein-and-cognitive-infiltration/

    If the real goal of the Deep State and its MSM allies was to prevent the rise of an anti-vaxxing movement, this is surely the worst failure in their history. But why in the world would America’s ruling elites care about an anti-vaxxing movement?

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  79. Johan says:

    I entertain the hypothesis of mass psychosis, which can produce real diseases. I have to say so far that people who had COVID, or suggested on their own analysis that they had COVID, in my environment, are people who according to my judgement are weak of mind and credulous, thus very much open to suggestion.

    http://www.davidpratt.info/psycho.htm

    I took one jab of Johnson ‘Adenovirus’ garbage, just to satisfy my germaphobic girlfriend, and to get her of my back, I was more worried about the junk injected in my body than COVID (which did not worry me the slightest), and promptly I developed an auto-immune disease after the jab…

    Like I said, it is an hypothesis. And it does not imply that there is no real first cause, that all of it is the product of suggestion through mass psychosis, but rather that mass psychosis makes it much worse. Aside of the MSM media there is also the movie propaganda industry, which heavily engages in the production of mass suggestion through dystopian movies, and the elites have been curiously obsessed with pandemics and virus outbreaks for a decade and longer (self-hypnosis among elite mobs).

  80. Nothing is more daunting than trying to separate a pseudo-thinker from his pet idea. Mr. Unz is deeply determined to Believe that the US War State is responsible for unleashing “the virus”. He cites a lot of circumstantial evidence in support of his beloved idea.

    But where is any proof for the existence of this virus, or any other virus? There is no proof-not for coronavirus, nor smallpox, nor measles, nor HIV and on and on. There is, in fact, no evidence backing up virology and all its false claims and improper “public health” decrees. It is pseudo-science, as anyone who is willing to actually investigate, and think can understand. This is not an issue of intelligence but of integrity.

    Get and Read Tom Cowan’s “Breaking the Spell” available for ten bucks at his website drtomcowan.com. If Mr. Unz wants a free copy to read, I would mail him one.

    Refusing to think and investigate this is not good behavior, it is irrational behavior.

    • LOL: Wizard of Oz
  81. Thinking of the apparent lack of curiosity of the main media and all their columnists, is it possible that these people already know, or strongly suspect, US initiation of COVID, but that this is a forbidden topic? That no columnist would dare to write about it and that no news outlet would publish it?

    When the news was released about the report being circulated not only internally but also to NATO and the Israelis, surely that would have severely jolted anyone who wasn’t fast asleep.

    If anyone did publish such a ‘speculation’ that would legitimise the topic for public conversation and throw open the floodgates. It seems this would almost have to be a conspiracy involving the media because not all reporters and columnists are asleep.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Ron Unz
  82. MPJ says:
    @MarkU

    Welcome to the steadily growing group of those who can see the Ron Unz Paradox.

  83. Rahan says:
    @meamjojo

    No one cares and you have not successfully made the case as to WHY we should care

    *straight face mode*: The coordinated global suppression of this discussion is because no one cares.

  84. sinoamerican pandemy (covid 19) has killed 6 million people. That is about 3 million people peryear. Air pollution by carbon monoxide and some other gases kills about 13 million people peryear. We have seen social distancing and lockdown related to the pandemy, but no draconian measures related to the very lethal air pollution. Everytime we watch a kabuki, the kabuki watches us.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  85. Anonymous[342] • Disclaimer says:

    People working in media have to look over their shoulder, or else they might end up like Chris Hedges who won the Pulitzer but that didn’t save him from getting the axe. Journalists are like hound dogs. They track down the scent given to them and bark at whatever is disapproved.

    Media behavior has to be attributed to the owners and publishers who hand orders to the editors. And anyone who gets out of line is put on the blacklist and won’t be hired by anyone. Chris Hedges worked for RT because no US media would have him.

    Also, given most journos are product of colleges that heavily lean Democratic, they see the world in binaries of Evil vs less-evil. They consider the Right to be so evil that anything, even lies, that undermine the Right is deemed justified. Most knew Russia Collusion hoax was fake but went along, as did ‘intellectuals’ like Sam Harris. And the Deep State that pushed the like that Hunter’s laptop was Russian disinfo.

    I suspect many Democrats sense that wherever Covid started, it was good for their side to lock down the economy and manipulate the economy and the election. It got Trump out of office. So, they don’t want to dig in too deep and discover the dark truth about the deep state that they now value as bulwark against populism.

    As for conservatives and dissident patriotic types, they don’t want to look too deep into it because they’d rather blame Democratic Fauci and China-China-China. They don’t want to discover that rogue elements in Trump’s regime were behind it.

    So, both globalists and nationalists have something to fear from the truth. If the truth is the US deep state did it, the globalists will have to admit the institutions they support are evil. And if rogue elements in Trump’s administration did it, it would mean Trump is a fool and dupe, and the US is guilty.

    And given the institutions most involved in push the Covid thing were Jewish-dominant, Jews don’t want the truth coming out either.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  86. @The Real World

    Their uniform and coordinated reactions to the “pandemic” are a huge tell.

    That’s what you say of “all poerful countries”. But just to take the two most unarguably powerful it’s nowhere near right is it? Compare China and the US.

    • Replies: @The Real World
  87. @Larry Romanoff

    You don’t really believe that BS do you?

    When the news was released about the report being circulated not only internally but also to NATO and the Israelis

    proves you have ne er paid attention to Ron’s sacred fable/smoking gun or that we shouldn’t trust your memory.

    Nothing was released. The nearest to a probably true account is that some of the many anti Trump intrl people planted story to damage him.

    • Replies: @Larry Romanoff
  88. Cking says:

    Mr. Unz, Excellent coverage, information, and communication. Mr. Romanoff’s article here, describing US/CIA history in bioweaponry and nuclear ‘experiments’ on Americans as well as foreign countries’ populations cements your case. Your dedication at this site is admirable.

    • Agree: Sam Smith
  89. Wild Man says:

    From the article:

    “A couple of weeks ago I discussed this possibility in the aftermath of the Alex Jones trial, suggesting that techniques of “cognitive infiltration” may have been deployed against alternative organizations and activists, diverting them into blind alleys that dissipate their energies and severely damage their public credibility:

    I speculated that the huge, sudden rise of a massive anti-vaxxing movement in America might be an example of this. A couple of years ago, vaccine issues were almost invisible, but soon after questions arose regarding the true origins of the Covid virus, the vaccination controversy moved to the absolute center stage of American public life, completely dominating the thoughts of most of those willing to challenge official orthodoxy on any other matter.

    As a result, I suspect that a thousand times as much time and effort has recently been devoted to debating the safety and efficacy of Covid vaccines than to investigating the true origins of the disease that made them necessary. And individuals or organizations who proclaim their fear that Bill Gates is the architect of a diabolical plot to exterminate most of the human race are hardly likely to be taken seriously by credible journalists or academics on any other matters.”

    There are 3 glaringly obvious errors in this section of Unz’s argument.

    1) For cr*ssakes already, Unz, …… stop misrepresenting the sentiment of the gene-therapy-hesitant (what you keep calling ‘anti-vaxxing’). The gene-therapy-hesitant became a huge movement, because these are unproven experimental therapies, for which there was alot of prior empirical evidence to suggest that prior attempts to use said experimental therapies (mRNA), in a broad way, failed to provide any positive efficacy for the pathology at hand; together with the fact that there was alot of prior empirical evidence that the coronavirus family of viruses have been impenetrable to successful vaccine schemes, of any kind (either of traditional vaccine-tech varieties or more experimental vaccine-tech varieties), for any coronavirus, for any species; together with the fact that those that were hesitant and waited, and watched for signs that this prior empirical evidence will be vindicated in this event as well, … and then found that such signs were everywhere in the emerging data, once we could observe the effects of the vaxx roll-out (by about May/21), yet the authorities downplayed all this and always attempted to sweep said emerging data under the rug.

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    The simpler explanation is more often the correct one. The simpler explanation for the huge gene-therapy-hesitancy movement is because the provision of this therapy has been IRRATIONAL (for all the reasons I just stated). You are just plain wrong, when you attempt to conflate the actual rationale for the massive arising of this gene-therapy-hesitancy movement, with ‘cognitive infiltration’ by operators of false conspiracy theories. In fact, you are so wrong about this, so willing to put false words in the mouths of those you seek to discredit, …. it turns out it is actually you that is attempting to operate a ‘cognitive infiltration’ of the type you feature, upon the gene-therapy-hesitant crowd. Too funny.

    2) The gene-therapy hesitant (those hesitant to take to so-called mRNA ‘vaccine’) don’t necessarily think that “Bill Gates is the architect of a diabolical plot to exterminate most of the human race”, so much as accurately seeing Bill Gates as an ignorant, puerile, incompetent tyrant using his money to build a place for himself as a hero within his sycophantic bubbletry ploys, whereas in reality, all that personal effort instead is actually setting up Gates as the ‘sorcerer’s apprentice’ (of Nutcracker Suite fame, …. akin to ‘naive chaos-maker’), without Gates himself, realizing that is the role he has selected for himself (instead, inaccurately, he sees himself as the heroic kid that put his finger in the dike to save the world). You keep inaccurately quoting the position of the gene-therapy-hesitant with respect to Gates. Please stop with that. It makes you look obtuse, to continue with that, after all this time. Gates is too dumb to actually harbor a purposely diabolical plot to exterminate most of the human race. Instead (in keeping with his cognitive attributes) Gates harbors a fantasy, that he uniquely has the money to uphold by way of paying for the associated sycophancy, that he should lead us all to some golden future, by way of his superior intellect. But the thing is, Gates does not actually possess a superior intellect. And we should not kneejerk, by way of his behind the scenes manipulations, towards thinking that we don’t need to think about the issues at hand, because Gates has got our back on that front. How can one who does not possess a superior intellect (Gates) get that role for themselves? They get that role for themselves because of stupid people like you, Mr. Unz, who allow for that. Stop being so stupid. Just because Gates isn’t actually ‘the architect of a diabolical plot to exterminate most of the human race’ doesn’t mean that he is not something even worse, ….. an extremely wealthy individual, who has the power to manipulate the milieus he chooses to dominate, … which by way of his personal idiosyncrasies of character, said domination takes the form of the ‘highly-competent hero-fantasy’ covering for the reality of ‘incompetent chaos-maker enthralled with his own hubris and as empowered by huge personal wealth to manipulate behind the scenes, so as to eventuate a sycophantic bubble for such deluded person, to reside in’. Why do you continue to make argument-moves to defend Gates with your strawman argument, when he is otherwise such a dud, such a schmuck, such a putz? Gates does not deserve even a smidgen, of your obfuscatory defense of him. Stop it already. Gates’ fantasy is worse than if he actually were self-knowingly diabolical. He is an extremely flawed human being, who doesn’t know about his own flaws, has done everything he can to not come to know about his own flaws (by way of his passion for psycophantic bubbletry), and as such, is dangerous in the ‘incompetent’ way, which of course, can lead to huge catastrophes, that look diabolical (and indeed, at one level of human morality, could be considered indirectly diabolical because said person did not do the necessary work to uncover their own ontological conceit, to personally work on) if left unchecked. But you are not using this sense of ‘indirect diabolicalness’, when you are putting that word ‘diabolical’ into the mouths of the gene-therapy-hesitant – are you? Instead you meant, that the gene-therapy-hesitant, think that Gates is directly, or purposely, diabolical – right? Sorry, no. More complicated than that (the views of the gene-therapy-hesitant). Much more nuance please.

    Bottom line on Gates: He is hugely part of the problem, on the promotion of inaccurate information (i.e – the promotion of Covid Officialdom lying) throughout the sars-cov-2 ordeal. As such, Unz’s misdirection in this vein, is highly suspect.

    3) The gene-therapy-hesitant, seeing all the inherent problems with these therapies (as explained in point #1 above), and taking a RATIONAL view of these circumstances, which leads directly to the rational speculation, as to why our Covid Officialdom authorities are otherwise behaving IRRATIONALLY, ….. and put that together with all the controversy around the origins of sars-cov-2, …. leads to the rational speculation, among the gene-therapy-hesitant, that the virus itself, is implicated (within this IRRATIONAL Covid Officialdom operation), given the near perfect replication of the original sars-cov-2 clade spike protein, within the experimental gene-therapies (otherwise known as ‘western experimental vaxxes’), and also given that it is the spike protein component of the overall virus, itself, that is the source of the virus’ pathogenic qualities (and as such, the gene-therapies pathogenic qualities).

    But Unz maintains that the gene-therapy-hesitant, with all their vaxxo-shite concerns, are stealing light from the original problem (bio-engineered virus), with these concerns. Hahahaha! Too funny. Because it is actually Unz that is doing that (by way of discrediting the links between gene-therapy-spike, and original sars-cov-2 clade spike). All the way through discussion here, since I first became involved in commenting here in earnest (around April 2021), I have been struck by Unz’s insistence that seeing sars-cov-2 as bioweapon has nothing to do with its links to the wonky vaxx program, when in fact, that is the best evidence for ‘sars-cov-2 as bioweapon’ (i.e. – the sars-cov-2 links to the wonky vaxx program by way of spike pathogenesis). Otherwise, all Unz has got on the ‘sars-cov-2 as bioweapon’ front, is some circumstantial evidence around potential rogue player motives (which circumstantial evidence the gene-therapy-hesitant do not need to support their suspicion of sars-cov-2 as bioweapon), plus all the evidence around the coronavirus family of virus bio-engineering that has been widely conducted (in the U.S., as well as in China, as well as in labs outside of these two nations), which evidence serves both the gene-therapy-hesitant’s speculations around sars-cov-2 as bioweapon, as well Mr. Unz’s more obtuse speculation in that regards, without favoring either. As such, it is actually Unz that is discounting the most important information that supports the ‘sars-cov-2 as bioweapon’ theorizing, …. and that is the information that Covid Officialdom lied in a myriad of ways, for over 2 years, over the safety and efficacy of the gene-therapies they coerced by mandates, for which said gene-therapies featured the metabolic expression of the pathogenic component of the pathogen, as antigen.

    Why would Unz continue with his insistence, that the gene-therapy-hesitant claim, that the Covid Officialdom lying has been all about ‘vaxxo-shite or die’, by way of the consistently ongoing nature of the lying obfuscating behavior, is a ‘nothing burger’? When actually, all this Covid Officialdom consistently ongoing lying behavior belies precisely that sentiment (that, as of the summer of 2020, that Covid Officialdom began to display clear signs that they would go on to coerce as many people as possible to get vaxxed with very very questionable products, without the provision of informed consent)?

    Now, here is the one glaring difference in the current position of the gene-therapy-hesitant’s claims of ‘sars-cov-2 as bioweapon’, and Mr. Unz’s differing claims in that regards: The gene-therapy-hesitant still do not claim to know the reason why this fiasco has been shoved down our throats. All we claim is that something dastardly has occurred, but that we still don’t really know why (and as such, that is why there has been a ton of speculation in that regards among the gene-therapy-hesitant, as to motivation for all this Covid Officialdom lying, …. like we still don’t know what said motivation is, beyond a myriad of speculations that have not been ironed out yet). Unz on the other hand, thinks he knows what the motivations for the events of the last two years are (Unz thinks the motivations for the core perpetrators of this ‘sars-cov-2/vaxxo-shite’ fiasco, was a rogue element in support of dumb ideological concepts around American exceptionalism). But that doesn’t really explain all the subsequent ancillary lying as conducted by Covid Officialdom – does it? Unz is pretending he has got a theory that covers off all the evidence … no …. he is purposely discounting more than half the evidence (that the vaxxo-shite is actually shite). It appears that it is Unz that is prematurely jumping to conclusions, vis-a-vis the gene-therapy-hesitant, …. yet he wants to say that it is us who is not careful in our thinking, when the opposite is the truth (that it is Unz, who has displayed the hubris of uncareful thinking).

    Unz should stop already, with his unqualified manifold derisions he spouts off towards the gene-therapy-hesitant. That is foolish. And as such, makes Unz look like a fool. And his moves in this regards, is the opposite of helpful to his agenda (his stated agenda= proving out that sars-cov-2 is an American rogue-element bioweapon unleashed upon the CCP and the people of China). Because, said derisions directed towards the gene-therapy-hesitant, turns out to be a discounting of the very best evidence in support of the ‘bioweapon’ component of his overall theory.

  90. geokat62 says:
    @Kim Jong Il

    We have seen social distancing and lockdown related to the pandemy, but no draconian measures related to the very lethal air pollution.

    It must be Spring, as the seed-planting has officially begun!

    • Replies: @Kim Jong Il
  91. @Complex Pseudonymic Handle

    My uncle used to to say of the NYT “All the News That’s Print to Fit, and Most That Isn’t.”

  92. @Simon D

    I am in full agreement with you, Simon, with one small correction:

    Hospitals and individual doctors were paid to ascribe as many deaths as possible to ‘Covid’.

    “Were”? Nope, this is STILL going on. A few weeks ago a friend of mine’s 86 y/o Dad died of some major GI problem (sharp pain, lots of blood in stool and urine), for which they were not going to do exploratory surgery.

    Because he’d been Covid tested at the assisted-living place before being taken to the hospital, and was positive on that, the doctor at the hospital logged this as a Covid death. GI problems have NEVER been one of the symptoms of the Kung Flu, but see, wait, there’s $9,000 for the widow if you do it this way*, and there’s some deal about $13,000 for either the hospital or the doctor*.

    The incentives, both political and financial, have been, and still are, tremendous. Peak Stupidity noted this early on (mid-April ’20) in “Kung Flu Mission Creep + Goosing the Numbers” and “Are Kung Flu death counts being goosed for insurance reasons?”

    .

    * Don’t worry. It’s not your money. It’s just US Feral Gov’t money. They got plenty!

    • Thanks: Simon D
  93. @Wizard of Oz

    I don’t believe your convictions on this issue have foundation or merit. Israeli news media confirmed receipt of that report or one similar by their own military. They aren’t in the habit of fabricating such news. There was also the circulation to NATO commanders.

    If you want to dismiss these releases as a planned set-up, empty claims don’t satisfy as evidence. ABC news claimed four different sources for their report. If you have evidence these people lied, please submit it.

  94. @Wizard of Oz

    1) Scientists invent deadly viruses which deviously kill 20 million with millions more slated for death. Scientists are Americans in North Carolinastein. Their technique allows them to vary and tinker with these viruses and disseminate lies: “Our Messenger RNA vaccines not only shrink newborn’s heads in South America in their early versions, but can be automatically adjusted to cure all the variants we make and distribute and guess what – we won’t share them with anyone. They also no longer cause Mad Cow Disease.”

    2) Nicholas Wade reveals in May 2020 that is almost certainly what happened. (After lots of people understood almost immediately in Jan 2020 it happened that way with high probability).

    3) Coincidentally after becoming president, Joe Biden starts World War 3, and gets No no Nanette Pelosi to get World War 4 boiling, though Joey’s boss Obombmema started it in 2014 so that Great White Massah would respeck him.

    4) The Pentagon reports that flying saucers are actual fact.

    5) A secret poll of the entire world population reveals that Vladimir Putin would be unanimously elected Emperor of the Earth if an election was held versus every other known head of state either individually head to head or by any other scheme known to political science.

    • LOL: Wizard of Oz
  95. Rich says:
    @Ron Unz

    The cdc is unable to say how many Americans were vaxxed. The top end would appear to be 63% (probably lower). Of those, a high percentage were forced to get the shot to keep their jobs. So if 37% percent of the population refused the free “greatest, most remarkable, safe and effective vaccine ever created”, and a high percent were forced at the threat of losing their livelihoods, I think the percent of “anti-vaxxers” is well ove your 30%. With the cdc almost admitting that its 63% number is a fake, it has to be at least 50% or more who are anti-vaxx.

    • Replies: @Copperhead
  96. Ron Unz says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Thinking of the apparent lack of curiosity of the main media and all their columnists, is it possible that these people already know, or strongly suspect, US initiation of COVID, but that this is a forbidden topic? That no columnist would dare to write about it and that no news outlet would publish it?

    Hard to say. I think very little of the crucial information has circulated, so most journalists don’t have the necessary facts, and those that do just keep quiet for careerist reasons. None of the smart, knowledgeable people to whom I’ve presented these facts had previously been aware of them, and although I think most of them now agree I’m probably correct, they’d certainly never say anything publicly. Several people I know have podcasts, and they’ve told me flat-out they’d be fearful of the career consequences if they interviewed me, even if they expressed total disagreement.

    Here’s a good analogy. From the very beginning, there was overwhelming scientific evidence that the Covid virus had been bioengineered, but for political reasons a few associated with NIH said it was natural and everyone else shut up, so natural it universally became until Nicholas Wade published his seminal article that opened the floodgates:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-george-orwells-virus-lab-leak/

    For example, the 45-year Times veteran who’d run their Covid coverage said until Wade’s article he’d spent more than a year just ignoring talk of a lab-virus as QAnon-type nonsense:

    https://donaldgmcneiljr1954.medium.com/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-lab-leak-theory-f4f88446b04d

    Basically, the vast, vast majority of people just tend to repeat whatever all those around them are saying. That certainly applies to the 50-100 million Americans who have become anti-vaxxers.

    • Replies: @Larry Romanoff
  97. Ron Unz says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    I don’t believe your convictions on this issue have foundation or merit…If you have evidence these people lied, please submit it.

    For the last year, WoZ has repeatedly promoted the theory that both JFK and RFK were accidentally shot and killed by their own bodyguards. Compared to such beliefs, his current assertions regarding Covid are extremely mild ones.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  98. Wild Man says:
    @Ron Unz

    On this portion of your comment:

    “It’s pretty obvious that the MSM and the Pharma companies have been grossly exaggerating the effectiveness of the vaccines from the beginning, and they don’t seem too useful in preventing infection or transmission. Moreover, the massive efforts to vaccinate younger people and even children seems extremely doubtful based on everything I’ve seen. So just as in many situations, both sides of the public debate are substantially wrong, in different ways.

    But there are probably something like 50 to 100 million anti-vaxxers in the the US, and the positions of the louder and more “excitable” ones seem totally ridiculous, very similar to the QAnon lunacy or the “crisis actors” hysteria. As I explained in a recent article, I strongly suspect all these movements were orchestrated by the sort of “cognitive infiltration” associated with Cass Sunstein:”

    OK, … further to the points I made in comment #90, I think it makes alot more sense, to see this phenomenon of 50 to 100 million American people who are averse (or hesitant) to taking this particular vaxx (actually experimental gene-therapies), as such people realizing they have been lied to, as outlined in your first quoted paragraph, and then going on to demand to know why they are being lied to? What is the true agenda? And then just getting some more lying bogus answers to such queries, from our Covid Officialdom authorities (which therefore converted many ‘hesitant’ to ‘averse’, which is the case for me ….. I cannot convert my original ‘hesitancy that then became averseness because of the continued lying’ back to the original ‘hesitancy’, and then perhaps ‘compliance’, until the lying is cleared, and the truth is told, and since that still isn’t occurring, the onus is not actually on me, or my fellow ‘hesitant’ to resolve this, our collective-tendency move towards ‘averseness because of continued unresolved Officialdom lying’). The onus is on Covid Officialdom.

    OK, … if you will grant me, that what I just said in the paragraph above, is a reasonable position to hold, then, of course it is just completely natural, that said parties (the ‘hesitant’ converted into the ‘averse’, due to ongoing unrelenting Covid Officialdom lying) ….. will then wonder, as the months and months and months pass, with no resolution to the Covid Officialdom lying, … what is the motivation for this lying fiasco? And since we are operating in an information vacuum (only the Covid Officialdom lies emerge as officially proffered ‘information’ which is actually disinformation – i.e. – lies) so that we don’t get any real answer to the question ‘why is Covid Officialdom lying to us? what is their motivation for these lies?’ …… it follows that this info-vacuum will naturally be filled with all kinds of speculative conjectures. Yet you want to conflate these speculative conjectures with hysteria? What is wrong with you? Like I said, the onus is not on me, or my fellow gene-therapy-hesitant, to sort this out. The onus is on the lying party. Yet you carry water for the lying party (Covid Officialdom) by way of conflating the natural speculative drive (of the people who noticed they were being lied to) in the face of a dearth of truthful information, with hysteria?

    Unz … it is you that is hysterical (i.e. – affected by uncontrolled extreme emotion to the point that you would conflate a natural human drive stemming from a realized milieu of lies, with over-emotion). I am pretty sure it is completely natural indeed, to initially become very very angry, once one notices they are being played by dirty lying shell games (look here, not there). Unz as a hysterical ‘pearl-clutcher’ when faced with perfectly natural anger? It sure looks like that.

    On this portion of your overall comment:

    “But why in the world would America’s ruling elites care about an anti-vaxxing movement?”

    Good point (which is the gene-therapy-hesitant’s point). Why would they care so much? Yet they do care, because they brashly coerced. So what gives? Do you have an answer? If so, please say so. But if you don’t, … then you and I are in the same boat ….. that the Covid Officialdom behavior (the lying), does not make any sense, without considering the case for ulterior agendas.

    Why do you continue to want to make enemies (by name-calling and smearing and such) of the very people who you should see as your allies? Is it because you are pro-CCP, and if you make common ground with the gene-therapy-hesitant, this then would no longer be a pro-CCP narrative that you would be flogging, because it would be immediately apparent then, that the true marks, were us western citizens (and not the CCP and the peopler of China) like you want to be true?

    • Replies: @Random Anonymous
  99. mkr says:
    @Ron Unz

    Your hypothesis that Covid-19 is a bioweapon attack against China and Iran’s economies makes no sense at all:

    The virus isn’t contained to those two countries alone, it is worldwide; if one accepts that it is a bioweapon attack directed against people and economies then it was a worldwide attack.

    Twelve or so Iranian “officials” supposedly dying of “Covid-19” is a small number.

    Your hypothesis says that it was an attack against those specific countries and that’s all there is to it, end of story, and that the “vaccine” was “necessary”, necessary for what, to do what exactly, what does the “vaccine” do for anyone at all, can you even answer that?

    They knew since day one that the “vaccine” wasn’t designed to prevent infection (hasn’t since day one), that it was likely to cause antibody dependent enhancement (which we are witnessing now) and that it was an mRNA vaccine which may cause gene editing (we now know it edits the DNA in human liver cells in vitro), moreover the “vaccine”, since it is a leaky “vaccine”, it has been since day one likely to cause variants to emerge as the “vaccine” only targets one part of the virus, so the virus will work its way around the “protection” afforded by the “vaccine” thus making variants emerge.

    A) There is nothing good about the “vaccine” B) bioweapon attack directed at China and Iran alone makes no sense C) the people pushing the “vaccine” are known depopulationists and deindustrialists D) The origins of the virus are being studied alongside the so-called “vaccine”, what it’s actual ingredients are, and what it actually does in the body; the two go hand in hand, just like those US labs worldwide make two products: viruses and their accompanying “vaccines”.

  100. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:

    1) is the virus man-made or natural?
    2) if manmade is the release accidental or deliberate?
    3) if deliberate, by who targeting who?

    Bioweapon targeting China and Iran is only one possible theory.

    Questions- How do you explain the spread and attack of the virus on the populations of Europe and America? Did the perpetrators think it could be contained? Genetic targeting that didn’t work out as planned?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  101. anon[133] • Disclaimer says:

    (((Unz))) Pretends ‘Covid’ Is A Real Thing =))
    Quote: “the unauthorized release of a military bioweapon that has killed so many millions worldwide”
    = It’s ‘just the flu’, & colds & other random forms of ‘hospital death’ like ‘ventilator murders’ (((Rebranded))) & everybody on earth knows it, including (((Unz))) =P Always scroll 2 the end of an article written by a joo or somebody employed by their many (((Z.O.G.))) & (((R.I.N.O.-Tard))) outlets 2 C them ‘flip the script’ 2 $UPPORT the ((($cams))) of their (((Tribe))) =))
    How 2 Spot ((($hill-Tards))) =) ~> https://justpaste.it/27myg

  102. Ron Unz says:
    @Anonymous

    Sure, those are exactly the right questions. For the answers, just read my series of articles:

    https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/

    But since people don’t like to read, you can just watch my video podcast interviews, which have now accumulated more than a million views:

    https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/#podcast-interviews

    • Replies: @A123
  103. @Ron Unz

    Okay. Maybe more asleep than I thought. I hadn’t realised you have become so toxic. My Compliments.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  104. A123 says: • Website
    @Larry Romanoff

    When the news was released about the report being circulated not only internally but also to NATO and the Israelis

    Nothing was released. The nearest to a probably true account is that some of the many anti Trump intrl people planted story to damage him.

    Israeli news media confirmed receipt of that report or one similar by their own military. They aren’t in the habit of fabricating such news.

    They are also not in the habit of burning their own national security.

    Except for Haaretz, but that is not the source for this item.

    ABC news claimed four different sources for their report. If you have evidence these people lied, please submit it.

    The evidence is they are paid propagandists for ABC.

     

     

    If “Leni” Riefenstahl told you something, would you believe it? No. If she were available today, she would be vastly more credible that the Fake Stream Media [FSM]. They have deception technology she would weep for.
    ___

    Without the original document, the FSM sensationalism cannot be vetted for accuracy.

    If it was only the known propaganda corps at ABC, I would score it as a 100% fabrication and move on. With international media involved, perhaps there is a document with DIA printed in the front page. However, editing a PDF so that it says DIA would take about 30 seconds.

    The Burden of Proof is on the FSM. If they want the DIA narrative to have credibility they need to release the ORIGINAL document in FULL. Without that, the number of scenarios for misleading quotes/redaction and other shenanigans is simply too far for rational human beings to go.

    PEACE 😇

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
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  105. SafeNow says:

    Several comments above focus on journalists who shut up. Also shut-uppers are the faculty members at elite medical institutions. They of course feared for their grants and careers. This deprived the rare outspoken colleague of theirs the chance to say “I have the support of my colleagues on this.” Thus, the rare outspoken elite academic appeared to be a solitary outlier arrayed against Dr. Fauci‘s tens of thousands. My fantasy is that Dr. Makary at Hopkins , for example, would be able to hold up a letter saying “I polled 25 knowledgeable colleagues of mine on this issue. 23 agreed with me, and two had no comment. Here are their signatures to this effect.”

    The above point is strengthened by the fact that the true-narrative outlier scientist is normally a civil, decent, rather nerdy fellow, who lacks what Joan Didion and others have called “the con style.” Americans embrace the con style. Thus, Decent Fellow is in need of elite-colleague support as a con-style substitute. Fauci, of course, possesses the con style in abundance.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  106. @Dumbo

    Your tidy dismissal of the significance of the origins of the “virus” is logically inconsistent with your claim of interest in the origins of the “fight against Covid”. I suppose you’re merely showily calling attention to your moniker.

  107. anon[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @JWalters

    They also pack the governement with psychopathic war viruses too. To wit:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Spartz

    Spartz’s tenure has been marked by high staff turnover. Congressional watchdog Legistorm measured her turnover in 2021 at three and half times the average of offices of House members, the highest turnover for a non-retiring member.[32][33] In May 2022, Politico reported of a toxic environment within her office, with Spartz’s temper quickly jumping from tepid to boiling, and reported that “aides who have left after a couple of months did so because the work environment became untenable.” Examples of the office environment included Spartz ordering staff to record her direction to staff and later denying the previously expressed instructions, despite the recordings. One former aide said, “the common theme: Staffers do their job, and then Victoria comes in saying that they have no idea what they’re doing, that they are ‘morons,’ calling them ‘idiots.’” Spartz responded that her working style is “not for everyone” and that her critics “need to ‘toughen up’

  108. Jovanda says:

    To be fair, only a small minority of human nervous systems are capable of processing the breadth and depth of this information, making it/you an asset to the cooperative cultural creators–and a threat to the competitive cultural predators. Why is it the “wisdom keepers” rarely succeed in uniting to prevent the destructive ignorance/fear/violence/tyranny of harmful aggressors? Because the latter invent and savagely operate deadly weapons? Because even the beneficent wise cannot produce, or agree on, a regenerative plan for humanity and biosphere? Both? And?

  109. @Anon

    An extended flatulent episode.

  110. It’s stupid and depressing.

    All the white trash and most of the black trash think China caused covid. End of sentence. They don’t hate their own government at all. They don’t blame their rulers for anything. They hate the rich a little, but not enough to do anything about it.

    You think people are getting wise? Nope. Oh, yeah, sure, the usual suspects get wise like they always do. But they are a small, atomized, impotent minority.

  111. Ron Unz says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Okay. Maybe more asleep than I thought. I hadn’t realised you have become so toxic. My Compliments.

    Actually, the recent Prof. Jeffrey Sachs situation is an excellent test case. Sachs is the ultra-high-ranking establishment academic who served as chairman of the Covid Commission. Yet his major article in the prestigious PNAS journal and his lengthy public interview have gotten almost zero media coverage.

    My guess is that only 2% of journalists became aware of his material, mostly the ones following Covid issues, and they knew perfectly well they’d get into serious trouble if they covered his disclosures. Or maybe their editors vetoed such a story.

    And since nothing appeared in the MSM, few of the other 98% of journalists ever heard of it.

    For example, I brought Sachs’ explosive material to the attention of a few prominent mainstream academic friends of mine who are very smart and knowledgeable, and they were absolutely stunned. If not for me, they certainly never would have heard of it.

    • Replies: @Larry Romanoff
    , @A123
  112. Blissex says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    «China’s no-Covid policy is completely different from most countries’ approach but reconcilable with the view that governments are exploiting Covid 19 for dubious purposes »

    Several other states have adopted the same policy, in part or full, for at least some time, from Korea-south to Thailand to Australia to Singapore to Norway, resulting in 10-100 times lower death and sickness rates than in the USA and most EU countries.

    That may seem a dubious purpose only to anti-China propaganda.

    https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&uniformYAxis=0&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=aged_65_older&Metric=Deaths+and+excess+mortality&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Color+by+test+positivity=false&country=USA~AUS~JPN~NZL~KOR~CAN~TWN~GBR~CHN~POL~NOR~IRL~ISL~DEU~FIN~THA~SWE~ITA~CUB~DNK~FRA~HKG~SGP

    While perhaps the USA government was behind the Wuhan initial event, the really big thing that matters is that countries where governments adopted a “let it rip” or “half-baked lockdowns” approaches have had death rates (and sickness rates) 10-100 times bigger than countries where governments enforced zero-COVID.

    Sometimes I suspect that anti-vaccination, COVID-denial and even origin-of-COVID campaigns are usually designed to distract from the really big thing of the large numbers of dead and gravely sick people who would not have died or been gravely sick if their governments had adopted zero-COVID.

    Because of his record I think that Ron Unz is focusing his attention on the origin-of-COVID story for good reasons, even I reckon that it is far less important than the zero-COVID story, that has been mentioned very rarely.

  113. @Rich

    It’s considerably higher than that. Only 48.4% of the double-vexxed have taken the third shot, according to CDC. If 63% took the first two, it follows that 30.5% of Americans are boosted (I’ve seen 36% claimed – perhaps), and a non-trivial portion of those did it under duress. That’s about the same as the fraction who still believe the Russia hoax. Likely the same percentage who still believe officer Sicknick was bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher, or that 1 in 4 college girls are raped.
    Calling the other 64-70% a derisive slur that implies some mental imbalance (anti-vaxxers), 99+% of whom have taken traditional vaccines and taken their kids for traditional vaccines, is farcical. Rachel Maddow level stuff.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  114. @skrik

    The long, hidden history of the US and its agents in spreading pathogenic disease throughout the world using multiple pathways is the most neglected truth yet to be uncovered. It will likely never see the light of the media as, in the 20th century, this driving forces behind biological warfare have been the Japanese and Jews.

  115. Blissex says:

    « I brought Sachs’ explosive material to the attention of a few prominent mainstream academic friends of mine who are very smart and knowledgeable, and they were absolutely stunned.»

    I did the same with some (less prominent) academics with the graphs on the difference in death rates between zero-COVID and “Washington Consensus” countries and most were like “So what? All that matters is vaccination”, such was their instinctive adhesion to the “conventional wisdom”.
    In most “Washington Consensus” countries upper-middle class people know that “the nail that sticks out will be hammered”.

  116. Wild Man says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    What precisely is Unz’s argument, for why all Trump’s myriad of enemies, didn’t try to make hay, over these early intelligence reports of November/19 uncontrollable covid in China, given that many of his globalist foreign adversaries within Nato, apparently had this dirt to make Trump look very bad for initial downplaying, but decided not to? Why wasn’t there an international leakorama conducted by Nato officials, pile-on-wise on Trump, once the Israelis started the ball-rolling?

    Because that would make Nato look bad? But that is what Trump wanted (dissolution of Nato as globalist-converged, if reform was not possible). Both parties had incentives to use the existence of said early intelligence reports, to smear the other party (both globalist-smearing Trump, as well as Trump-smearing faux-west globalists). Isn’t it more likely that either this is an attempted frame-up of Trump that didn’t stick (wow, has there ever been alot of those over the years – eh?), and as such, there was no early intelligence report of November/19 uncontrollable covid in China, or if there was, … alternatively, Nato nations collective prior inaction on this startling and anxiety-provoking news, should therefore be taken as a clear sign that all these nato countries are in on this uncontrollable outbreak, being all about a nato-prior-knowledge-of-bioweapon?

    I dunno, on first blush, it just doesn’t add-up. Do you or Unz have more compelling evidence around this, like verification and vetting of the 4 claimed ABC sources? If you do, and this is indeed true, ….. this then opens up, a whole can of worms along the lines of nato-prior-knowledge.

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
    , @Ron Unz
  117. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    1) is the virus man-made or natural?
    2) if manmade is the release accidental or deliberate?
    3) if deliberate, by who targeting who?

    Sure, those are exactly the right questions. For the answers, just read my series of articles:

    While I have not read every article in full depth, I have not seen a direct explanation of

    -A- If manmade, could it have been made at Wuhan Inside of Virology [WIV]? Yes.

    WIV is a French designed and co-built level 4 facility. Could they have used the easily accessed patent information to perform the gene sequencing? Or, is that some how technically impossible for WIV?

    -B- Did WIV have coronavirus on site? Yes.

    While the EcoHealth Alliance research may have had CIA undercurrents, it does prove that WIV has coronavirus on-site. Is there any evidence that WIV was a “coronavirus free” facility?

    With these facts in mind:
        ♦ WIV had the necessary technical capability
        ♦ WIV had the necessary raw materials

    Why is Fort Detrick an easier and more credible source versus WIV?

    Any conspiracy involving a Wuhan release would have a much simpler task stealing the virus from WIV and releasing it in Wuhan.

    Why burden a conspiracy with excessive complexity and mission failure risk associated with:
        • Transferring the WUHAN-19 virus from Maryland,
        • Through CCP border customers, and
        • Then further internally to Wuhan
    This is a really hard sequence of necessary events. Do you want us to believe this overly complex, failure risk prone, chain is correct?

    If so, you need to some how explains why the much, much simpler “WIV as Source” scenario is not possible.

    PEACE 😇

  118. @Ron Unz

    “I brought Sachs’ explosive material to the attention of a few prominent mainstream academic friends of mine who are very smart and knowledgeable, and they were absolutely stunned. If not for me, they certainly never would have heard of it.”

    I believe what you say. This stuns me.

  119. Wild Man says:
    @SafeNow

    This issue of people not speaking up against a converged narrative as enforced by the state, was something I first came across, right after 9/11. Back at that time, for my management position at that time, I had the pleasure of employing several different pricey structural engineers on a variety of projects, and so I picked the brain of each one of them, one on one, about bldg 7 (which absolutely freaked my out day of). Not one of them would offer anything more than a fence-sitting position. I told them it was in confidence. It didn’t matter. It is what it is. That is the way people are, when they got to get paid. And almost all of us, have got to get paid.

    • Thanks: SafeNow
  120. Ron Unz, you are fixated on your rogue neocon theory of Covid-19 invention and dissemination. Lately, you’ve been feverishly promoting Jeffrey Sachs’ remarks as if they support your hypothesis. As if his agreement is your ultimate vindication. Above, you suggest that Sachs agrees with you, that recently “he focused on the strong evidence he had encountered of an apparent cover-up of Covid’s possible origins by individuals associated with the American government.” Sachs’ remarks don’t support rogue-neocon. They tentatively support the lab accident hypothesis. Sachs’ interviewer in that same Current Affairs piece remarks, and Sachs does not object, that

    I think it’s very important to make clear that the “alternative hypothesis” is mainly a hypothesis about an accident, and scientific hubris. It’s important to distinguish the kooky theories from the incredibly plausible theories. Because what you’re talking about is people who did not appreciate the dangers of what they were doing.

    I wouldn’t emotively dismiss your rogue-neocon hypothesis as kooky, but it is admittedly speculative and otherwise thinly supported by evidence, especially in comparison to alternative hypotheses. No one supports rogue-neocon except for you and occasionally the propaganda organs of three U.S. geopolitical rivals. In contrast, evidence for some kind of lab accident hypothesis is abundant, is developed by a wide range of independent researchers (DRASTIC teams 1 and 2 have done 10,000 times the work you have on the topic), and is convergent. See for example https://twitter.com/BillyBostickson There is much less evidence for deliberate Chinese leak, less for wild meat market, and least for rogue-neocon.

    Sachs originally said that he was pretty convinced that the virus was the result of “US lab biotechnology.” You latched on to a Daily Mail piece with the misleading headline, Covid leaked from an AMERICAN lab and not the notorious Chinese facility at centre of pandemic cover-up, claims top US professor described as ‘Xi propagandist’. The piece itself says in the eighth paragraph that, “It is unclear if Professor Sachs believes Covid originated in the US or was borne out of a collaboration between American and Chinese scientists in Wuhan.” The title of the piece is the opposite of its content.

    Clearly, Sachs believes the latter and that Chinese lab blunder is the most likely explanation.

    A large part of my success as an academic came from checking the footnotes of leading figures. When you can show that the sources referenced plainly contradict the point that the authority cited them for, that indicates at least a recklessness in reasoning and one is entitled to doubt the remainder of the argument.

    Also, your obsessively high priors on this question lower my estimate of credence with respect to the remainder of your heterodox claims.

  121. @Ron Unz

    Warning. Ron has now stumbled into an area where some kind of psychopathy has to be suspected. On the evidence I can speak as the ultimate expert and with checkable evidence. The references to some accidental shot killing JFK, and quite separately, RFK, and with little coincidence of details I brought to the
    attention of UR readers several years ago but never to advocate them except for their one apparent merit, namely, that each provided a comparatively hum drum and innocent explanation for cover up. Moreover I have repeatedly made all that clear in answer to RU’s evident lapses of memory – or whatever. For the increasing nimber of readers who must be
    becoming worried about thr admirable author of The Myth of American Meritocracy, and opponent of the
    Iraq War, to go back no futher, I say check for yourselves.

    • Agree: bombthe3gorgesdam
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  122. saggy says: • Website

    I mentioned his explosive accusations in a column, but otherwise they seem to have been almost entirely ignored in both the American mainstream and even alternative media

    .

    You are deliberately mischaracterizing the Russian announcement. That’s why your column is being ignored.

    Here is a bulletin – there is a war in Ukraine that threatens the world. Why not focus on that for a bit?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  123. Anon[227] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    They’re also naive and stupidly unconcerned. As Barnum said about a sucker being born every minute, as soon as someone starts to see through the smoke and mirrors and begins to wise up two more of the next generation of fools comes up to replace them. America is a test tube example of a full spectrum 24/7 propaganda environment

    Man, you hit the nail on the head. The shit we accept as fact these days would have my Parents and Grand Parents aghast. A fellow would get a slap around the head for listening to a jackass.

    There was a time up to I think the mid 1980’s when TV stations went off at around 2 am. These day one can look at this shit all day and every MSM Head covers the same thing over and over with a herd of experts.

    Today in the Supermarket I heard two women talking with the cashier. One had her house robbed and trashed. They even took a shit all over her counter tops and into her toaster. The perps were illegals from Latin America. The other one complained that for the money she just paid she used to get 4 bags of groceries and she does not know how she is going to make it as pensioner on a fixed income. Yet they both loved Corn Pop because he told them things were going to get better etc. When the cashier disagreed both these old bitches became very aggressive.

    No one thinks these days. They just accept what they are told ie someone else tells them what to think ! Its scary to think what this country has become and where it is going !

  124. @Larry Romanoff

    Why does it stun you that busy intelligent Americans should not be alert to suggestions from others of the great and good that the chance that the real origin of the 2019 pandemic virus was an understandably covered up development in a US lab? It is 2022. Russia’s war on Ukraine and China’s cirrent maladaptation to Covid are amongst issues capable of filling the urgent issues space in the woryjy informed citizen’s mind. BTW do you think many Americanns now care much about that 1 mlion excess deaths amongst minorities and elderly? There don’t seem to be multi million payouts to families of criminals upset by police readily available.

  125. @Blissex

    I don t seek to disagree with you but I yhink it will be interesting to see whether China maintains the policy which has so upset residents of Shanghai and apparently damaged the national economy after Xi is reelected President.

  126. @Wild Man

    Another possibility was tossed out here in the last week. It was noted that there had been reports of some kind of virus surrounding the military games in October. People have tried to argue that this proves that CV-19 was around as early as October, but that’s not really relevant. Even if this was a completely different virus, it may have caused some initial reports to circulate. Those reports may then have been retconned into reports about CV-19, even if the sickness at the military games had nothing to do with CV-19. Then once it became obvious that the warnings from October were not really about CV-19, the issue may have been just quietly buried in order to leave the impression that Trump knew about CV-19.

    • Thanks: Wild Man
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  127. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:

    I speculated that the huge, sudden rise of a massive anti-vaxxing movement in America might be an example of this. A couple of years ago, vaccine issues were almost invisible, but soon after questions arose regarding the true origins of the Covid virus, the vaccination controversy moved to the absolute center stage of American public life, completely dominating the thoughts of most of those willing to challenge official orthodoxy on any other matter.

    Anti-vaccine movement used to be a minor thing, hardly a blip on the radar. It had vocal supporters, but most people got their vaccines(and got their kids vaccinated for stuff like chicken pox and measles).

    But covid ‘vaccines’ are not real vaccines, and it was rolled out too fast, almost as if big pharma had such treatment almost all ready to go. Even without Sunsteinian dirty tricks, many people were alarmed by the drug.

    So, instead of approaching this in terms of bio-weapon vs vaccine-efficacy, the two themes should be evaluated together as part of the same pattern of conspiracy, deception, and fraud.

    Not that those involved in the ‘vaccines’ took part in the bio-weapon and its possible release. But it’s unlikely that those very smart men in Big Pharma just naively thought it was just some natural outbreak, and that’s that. They must have known or suspected something was up, either to use against foreign nations or on the West itself to manipulate elections, boost profits for big retail and big pharma, tank the economy to make Trump look bad, and justify statist control over the populace showing troubling signs of populism and nationalism.

    After all, people in the media had no role in the bio-weapon development(and release), but almost every single one of them played along to the script. While plenty of journalists are idiots and hacks, surely there were many intelligent and curious ones who privately wondered what really happened. But as long as Covid was a boon for the deep state to gain more control and manipulate things(especially against Trump), they gladly nodded along and joined the cries for the suppression of any ‘disinformation’. They were raised on the ideology of ’empowerment’, which means it all comes down to who has the power and how it is used.

    So, while it’s certainly true that we may lose sight of one(bio-weapon) for the other(vaccine controversy), we can tie both threads into one, i.e. the deep state was able to get away with the bio-weapon precisely because so much of the media and medical community were willing parties to the pandemic narrative. Big Pharma pretended it was a natural outbreak, and Deep State pretended the ‘vaccines’ are top notch medicine. In truth, it’s more likely massive fraud all around. Also, consider how porous the barriers between Big Pharma and regulatory agencies are. Regulatory capture, and this goes for the media too.

    • Replies: @MPJ
  128. Wild Man says:

    Mr. Unz … you have advised us all, that sometimes you compare notes with some of your very smart and esteemed colleagues, and as well, at one point you did mention that you are good friends with Stephen Hsu, who happens to have the kind of background, to see what is what, with respect to:

    1) the origins of sars-cov-2

    2) the links between sars-cov-2 pathogenesis by way of spike, and potential pathogenesis of western experimental vaxxes (actually gene-therapies) by way of forcing the metabolic expression of spike, … and what such analysis would say about lack of the gene-therapy efficacy and safety

    Did you qizz your friend Stephen Hsu about these two interesting topics within his bailiwick, when he recently visited you? I am sure you must have. What is his take on these two topics? I notice that at his blogspot, that he at first seemed to agree with the technocratic take on the pandemic response, early on, but then, once the vaxxes did roll-out and there was data available around that, he has not posted anything further (since his May 26, 2021 article within the tag labeled ‘epidemics’ at his blogspot, though the May 26, 2021 article wasn’t about the initial incoming vaxx data). So it does not appear that Mr. Hsu has weighed in on the two questions noted above, within his blogspot.

    Maybe he had a change of heart, with respect to some of his early technocratic takes on the emerging covid phenomenon, once he saw the emerging vaxxo-shite data, starting to come in around the time of his last article within the ‘epidemics’ tag. Did he indicate to you, anything around that, during his recent visit to you?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  129. @Anon

    That’s far too much weight on the average UR brain. Besides you are 1 or 2 per cent wrong and 1 or 2 per cent off the planet😎

  130. I don’t think we will ever find out who created Covid19, if Israel was behind 9-11, who was responsible for Kennedy’s assasination, what dreams mean, and why Chrysler Corporation thought the 1976 Plymouth Volare was a good idea.

    • Agree: MPJ
  131. @Anonymous

    In all that there is a pretty good basis for the most credible explanation for Ron’s “smoking gun” namely a clique of anti-Trimprrs planting evidence.

  132. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Mr.Unz,

    Clearly, I am not your #1 supporter. But I agree that there are TWO wholly different issues.

    –#1 — How did this start?
    –#2 — How did BigPharma exploit the situation?

    For #1 the “Fort Detrick to Wuhan” complexity is too extreme to be credible.

    For #2 the 100% jab fiends that placed BigPharma above individual choice are miserable DNC MegaCorporations.

    ♦♦ For those 65+ with multiple pre-existing conditions. Participating in the mRNA vaccine experiment was a no brainer. I would have gladly taken the jab if I was in that much risk.

    ♦♦ For those 50- with no preexisting conditions, the risks associated with the essentially non-existent benefit of mRNA experimentation are unreasonable.

    Safe and effective treatments accelerating recovery in the 50yr- category (e.g. HCQ/AZ) were ruthlessly suppressed to maximize highly profitable, experimental nRNA jabs. The fact that BigPharma wants massive gibs for experimenting on school children is obscene.

    I agree with you on some things. Disagree with you on rather more. But facts are facts, regardless of the source unvestifaton:

    — WUHAN-19 exists
    — WUHAN-19 massively increases mortality among those who are 65+ and have pre-existing conditions.
    — BigPharma ruthlessly exploited the situation for DNC MegaCorporation gain.

    Properly punishing BigPharma executive requires “old school” traditions. Free but mandatory one-way tickets to Golgatha, wood, rope, rusty tetanus nails, and so forth.

    However, none of that can possibly distract from the fact this is ultimately from the CCP’s WIV lab in Wuhan, China. Not some overly complex Fort Detrick convoluted scheme.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @MPJ
  133. @Larry Romanoff

    Apparently you assume the “four different sources” you cite as reason for belief are four separate uncoordinated independent authoritative sources. Why? Unless you have more faith in ABC journalistic staff than is likely on UR you would be interested to know how often ABC people, keen to validate a story, were told “well that’s my understanding, but you should speak to X”. But you have no idea do you? But we know Intel people ganged up on Trump don’t we?

  134. @onetwothree

    That’s about the same amount of speculation inherent in Ron Unz’ theory, with a much simpler and more likely motive. Ron’s one has the motivation of bio-war by a lab that knows about viruses, but they NEVER EVER expected them to spread east! Viruses only spread west, right?

    BTW, I blew up that blurb by the Iranian guy, and just as I pointed out for two articles Mr. Unz says support his theory, here (about a Nicholas Wade article and a recent Wired one). I don’t think he supports this theory as much as Mr. Unz does.

    The Iranian mentions “big powers”. That would be both the US AND China. Were they working in cahoots? Yes, that is widely known. Would they attack each other with it? Well, more like both countries, if it wasn’t the most obvious thing, an accident, attacked their own people with it. It didn’t really take as Black Death 2.0, but it did take as a massive PanicFest for Totalitarianism.

    Ron’s conspiracy theory makes as much sense as releasing chlorine gas into a headwinds.

    You said it better. Thanks.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  135. @Patrick McNally

    It is perhaps worth mentioning again my earliest reason for doubting that Ron had a “smoking gun”.

    Bolton had downgraded the medical intelligence unit which would have had an incentive to grab attention. I no longer put any significant weight on that as explanation but it remains a valid reason for criticising Ron’s over certainties.

  136. MPJ says:
    @New Dealer

    Thanks for your informed commentary. Regardless of which claim to origins is the correct one, do you find it at all curious how quickly such a novel medical product (mRNA based) was produced as a response to the virus? More importantly, how it very quickly became the only permissible medical intervention, promoted, supported, advocated for and legislated by virtually all in authority, anywhere?

    • Replies: @New Dealer
  137. MPJ says:
    @A123

    There’s ample evidence connecting NIH and Daszak to the Bat Lady and WIV. Why does it matter if it was produced in Ft. Detrick or WIV? Does it matter if Microsoft’s engineers in Redmond write the code or their hired grunts in Bangalore, India? What matters is who created it, why, who benefits from it (and from the medical products deployed to combat it). Also, where it was released, accidentally or intentionally, is more important IMO than where it was developed.

    Multi-national co-operation is standard business in the globalized world and has been for decades now. Producing virus, missiles, software or trinkets doesn’t matter all that much.

  138. TKK says:

    Perhaps Fauci announced his retirement today because he does not fancy a “Republican” Congress questioning the origins of the virus.

    Nothing will happen, of course, but he probably wants to side step the hassle.

  139. “…suspect that a thousand times as much time and effort has recently been devoted to debating the safety and efficacy of Covid vaccines than to investigating the true origins of the disease that made them necessary.”

    They were never necessary.

    They aren’t vaccines.

    You are part of the disinformation efforts of the Establishment.

  140. MPJ says:
    @Anonymous

    Ron has also utterly failed to indicate any coherent, plausible motive for how anyone benefits from vaccine hesitancy and skepticism. Covid anti-vaxxerism isn’t some belief like Russiagate or birther-ism or even 9/11 truth that you can wholeheartedly believe in but suffer no more than a disparaging label of unorthodoxy from amused acquaintances.

    Covid vaccine hesitancy cost people their careers, their reputations, their freedom to travel, their ability to be with dying loved ones. You don’t just take this belief on and invite real suffering just because you saw a YouTube video.

    • Agree: Random Anonymous, Mehen
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  141. Ron Unz says:
    @New Dealer

    Ron Unz, you are fixated on your rogue neocon theory of Covid-19 invention and dissemination. Lately, you’ve been feverishly promoting Jeffrey Sachs’ remarks as if they support your hypothesis.

    No, you’re confused. Sachs is an ultra-establishmentarian figure, and I’m certainly not claiming that he’s endorsed my ultra-controversial biowarfare hypothesis, of which I seem to be virtually the only regular public proponent. However, the claims he made in his important article and his astonishing interview are certainly major steps in my direction. And the fact that they’ve received essentially 0% coverage in the media despite his role as chairman of the Covid Commission certainly tends to support my arguments for a massive mainstream and alternative media cover-up on the issue.

    So we have thousands of agitated anti-vaxxers ranting about Bill Gates’ diabolical plot to exterminate the human race and virtually no one anywhere noticing that the chairman of the Covid Commission has declared that Covid probably came from an American biolab and its true origins are being covered up by the US government.

    • Agree: emersonreturn
    • Thanks: Iris
    • Replies: @New Dealer
    , @hardlooker
  142. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Moreover I have repeatedly made all that clear in answer to RU’s evident lapses of memory – or whatever.

    Look, I don’t mean to keep harping on this issue, but you’re simply being dishonest…or forgetful.

    Over the last year, you repeatedly—at least 5 or 6 times—urged me to watch some stupid video that you said persuasively argued that JFK had been accidentally shot and killed by one of his own Secret Service agents, which explained the subsequent JFK assassination cover-up.

    More recently, you repeatedly argued that RFK may have been accidentally shot and killed by one of his own bodyguards, which you said best explained the motive of the ensuing cover-up.

    I brought these issues up because they demonstrate your extreme gullibility and lack of logical common sense, which applies to all other matters, certainly including your very poor analysis of the origins of Covid.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  143. @Wild Man

    Excellent comments #90 and #100 overall, Wild Man, though for the benefit of others I’d say don’t necessarily agree with every detail. Assuming Ron Unz is not being disingenuous about his views, he clearly developed an apparently incurable “anti-anti-vaxx” bias that has prevented him from giving any kind of rational let alone sympathetic hearing to the many rational covid-vaxx-hesitant voices on his own site, let alone other sites.

    Ron writes:

    It’s pretty obvious that the MSM and the Pharma companies have been grossly exaggerating the effectiveness of the vaccines from the beginning, and they don’t seem too useful in preventing infection or transmission. Moreover, the massive efforts to vaccinate younger people and even children seems extremely doubtful based on everything I’ve seen. So just as in many situations, both sides of the public debate are substantially wrong, in different ways.

    But Ron studiously ignores that it’s not just “the MSM and the Pharma companies that have been grossly exaggerating the effectiveness of the vaccines from the beginning, [which] don’t seem too useful in preventing infection or transmission.” It’s the very US Government that has been doing so. The MSM and the Pharma companies have no legal authority to mandate lockdowns, vaccinations, masking, and other insane responses to Covid. Only the government (arguably) does.

    But there are probably something like 50 to 100 million anti-vaxxers in the the US, and the positions of the louder and more “excitable” ones seem totally ridiculous, very similar to the QAnon lunacy or the “crisis actors” hysteria.

    So effing what, Mr. Unz? Why are you unwilling or unable to put aside your aversion to the ridiculous ones and instead actually listen to those who actually make sense, and indeed often acknowledge that there’s plenty that they don’t know about what’s driving government policy (besides the MSM and the Pharma companies), but who can see that — exactly as Wild Man says — the government has been lying and its polices have been insane, as you yourself substantially acknowledge in the first blockquote above? Yet you don’t realize the half of it, because your bias has left you unwilling to really listen, even as you very gradually come to partially understand and acknowledge what others have been pointing out years ahead of your own realization.

    • Agree: Mehen
    • Thanks: Wild Man
    • Replies: @Random Anonymous
  144. Ron Unz says:
    @saggy

    You are deliberately mischaracterizing the Russian announcement. That’s why your column is being ignored.

    Well, I don’t speak Russian and I wasn’t at the Russian Defense Ministry briefing conducted by Lieutenant-General Igor Kirillov, head of Biological Defense, but this is what RT reported:

    Russia now suspects that USAID might have been directly responsible for the emergence of the Covid-19 virus…“The implementation of the COVID-19 development scenario and USAID’s emergency phasing out of the Predict program in 2019 suggest the deliberate nature of the pandemic and US involvement in its occurrence,” Kirillov said.

    https://www.rt.com/news/560246-usaid-covid-origin-moscow/

    And Twitter suspended Russia’s Foreign Ministry for sending out this Tweet:

    It sure sounds to me like Russia is accusing America of having been responsible for the Covid epidemic. They’re not claiming to have solid proof, but they’re certainly making serious accusations.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @saggy
  145. @Wizard of Oz

    Disagree. You haven’t followed closely enough.

  146. Ron Unz says:
    @Wild Man

    Mr. Unz … you have advised us all, that sometimes you compare notes with some of your very smart and esteemed colleagues, and as well, at one point you did mention that you are good friends with Stephen Hsu, who happens to have the kind of background.

    Sure, Steve’s a very smart guy, with perfectly sensible views on almost everything. He’s certainly generally aware of my controversial Covid origins analysis, though he hasn’t personally investigated the issue. In fact, he was the one who originally suggested I start doing video podcast interviews, something that I’d never previously considered, so I owe him my million Rumble views.

    With regard to his views on vaxxing, as far as I know they’re identical to my own. I think he told me he doesn’t personally know a single anti-vaxxer. None of the smart, sensible people I know, whose opinions I respect, are anti-vaxxers or even know any anti-vaxxers. Anti-vaxxing is mostly limited to the ideological fringes or corners of the Internet such as this website.

    By early 2021, Goldman Sachs had required all its employees to be vaxxed, and I think that’s true of many other elite companies. I’d certainly admit that at least 15-30% of Americans loosely fall into the anti-vaxxing camp, and someone upthread argued the figure was even higher. Maybe. But I’d guess that 99% of America’s ruling elites have been vaxxed. I think the least vaxxed groups in America are urban blacks and rural whites in places like West Virginia.

    So I guess once everyone at Goldman Sachs has died from vaxxing, the local blacks will move into their fancy Manhattan homes.

    And what you don’t seem to realize is that quite a few reasonably prominent alt-activists quietly think anti-vaxxing is crazy, but they’re fearful of saying anything lest a horde of fervent anti-vaxxers attack and denounce them. Meanwhile, all the anti-vaxxers rant and rave and stir each other up into greater lunacy.

  147. @Ron Unz

    Sad, you really are losing it. Perhaps the most telling fact is that you seem indifferent to the fact that it can all be checked and that you have enough opponents on this site to make it quite probable that someone will do the laborious boring job of proving that you are wrong and your claims getting wilder and wilder.

    PS to anyone tuning in; another commenter has give
    a very persuasive detailed account of RFK being shot by a security guard long after I had simply brought up the theoretical possibility because it might explain a cover up. FWIW my reference to a theory about JFK also being accidentally shot was also related only to the need to explain cover ups.

  148. Ron Unz says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    BTW, I blew up that blurb by the Iranian guy, and just as I pointed out for two articles Mr. Unz says support his theory, here…I don’t think he supports this theory as much as Mr. Unz does.

    Look, you’re just a lazy dimwit. I specifically cited statements by several different top Iranian political and military leaders, who explicitly said they suspected America of having been behind a Covid biowarfare attack on Iran (and China). They certainly didn’t claim to have proof—I don’t claim to have proof-–but here’s a quote by their top military commander as reported in Iran’s official news agency:

    Today, the country is engaged in a biological battle. We will prevail in the fight against this virus, which might be the product of an American biological [attack], which first spread in China and then to the rest of the world…America should know that if it has done so, it will return to itself.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/#the-long-forgotten-early-iranian-outbreak

    If you don’t bother even reading what I’ve written, I can’t see why I should bother wasting any time on your nonsense.

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  149. Ron Unz says:
    @MPJ

    Ron has also utterly failed to indicate any coherent, plausible motive for how anyone benefits from vaccine hesitancy and skepticism…Covid vaccine hesitancy cost people their careers, their reputations, their freedom to travel, their ability to be with dying loved ones. You don’t just take this belief on and invite real suffering just because you saw a YouTube video

    Obviously, the anti-vaxxers themselves don’t benefit. They’re mostly just stupid, gullible people, the same sort of people who fell for the QAnon nonsense.

    But the anti-vaxxing movement absorbed the energies of tens of thousands of people, exactly the sort of anti-establishment activists who might otherwise have gotten interested in the true cause of the Covid outbreak. Also, all the elites regard the anti-vaxxers as ignorant and crazy, so they don’t pay any attention to other issues regarding Covid, such as the ones I’ve been raising. It may very well have been a classic “Cass Sunstein” type operation:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/alex-jones-cass-sunstein-and-cognitive-infiltration/

    Basically, you and the other anti-vaxxers have been following a very useful distraction on the whole Covid issue.

  150. @Ron Unz

    A million Rumble views sounds good. What is it actually adding to the attentive readership of UR? How many already read UR. More likely to be tracked: how long do they watch and listen for?

  151. @Ron Unz

    Have you yet taken the obvious step of seeking your “smoking gun” by FOIA request, or following closely someone else’s efforts? If not, why not?

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  152. Ron Unz says:
    @Wild Man

    What precisely is Unz’s argument, for why all Trump’s myriad of enemies, didn’t try to make hay, over these early intelligence reports of November/19 uncontrollable covid in China

    Well, I guess you didn’t read my previous article:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/a-story-too-big-for-the-new-york-times/

    During the 2008 presidential election, Sydney Schanberg released his stunning expose on the McCain/POW Scandal, that would have totally destroyed the reputation of John McCain, the Republican Presidential candidate. But not a single Democratic-leaning media outlet was willing to publish or cover it.

    Earlier this month I asked that same elite establishment friend of mine—whose background is the left/liberal wing of the Democratic Party—whether there was a possibility that the Democrats might be willing to use the Covid issue against the Republicans, given that it was probably orchestrated by (rogue) elements of the Trump Administration. His response:

    Ron, easy – not a chance.

    It simply can’t be turned into a partisan question. Both sides are totally invested in both the military establishment and the anti-China narratives.

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  153. Blissex says:
    @Ron Unz

    «But the anti-vaxxing movement absorbed the energies of tens of thousands of people, exactly the sort of anti-establishment activists who might otherwise have gotten interested in the true cause of the Covid outbreak.»

    That movement and the “COVID-is-a-hoax” movement have also been very effective at distracting many people from considering the 10-100 times lower death and sickness rates of countries with zero-COVID governments. A factor of 10-100 is pretty huge thing, that somehow very few people seem interested in.

    «whether there was a possibility that the Democrats might be willing to use the Covid issue against the Republicans»

    Trumpists, Republicans, Democrats have also been totally invested in avoiding zero-COVID type policies, so little chance the success of zero-COVID will become an issue.

  154. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    A million Rumble views sounds good. What is it actually adding to the attentive readership of UR? How many already read UR. More likely to be tracked: how long do they watch and listen for?

    Well, for comparison, how about that stupid Youtube video you were endlessly promoting that claimed JFK had been accidentally shot and killed by one of his own Secret Service agents? Why don’t you find the link and so we see when it came out and how many views it’s gotten?

    I think Youtube has an available audience something like 100x greater than Rumble, so surely it must have been watched many millions of times.

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  155. werpor says:
    @Justvisiting

    Forgetting history…
    Not a week goes by that the holocaust is not larded into a newspaper article as a touch stone to amplify otherwise untenable opinions about some minor grievance. Few people are interested in history. Most people see the study of history as dryly academic; therefore hardly relevant. Why is that?

    School curriculums are established and set up to narrowly channel the minds of the students towards passive compliance of the received. In a word students are brainwashed.

    I was born in 1948. The world, engulfed by WWII was licking wounds which still have not healed. Baby Boomers when I was a kid were called War Babies. Growing up the new medium, TV had quickly become a device to convey certain points of view while omitting any and all countervailing points of view.

    T.V. was particularly potent as a means of brainwashing society. Unless it was you job to create the content you would have no idea the extent you were being brainwashed. As Marshall McLuhan wrote, “…the medium IS the message.” News, entertainment, advertising, drama, comedy, talk shows — all reference the conventional wisdom. The drum beat of war paced every kind of content. Most of it was a lie. The truth was turned upside down. Of course Vietnam punctured societies inflated myths.

    But the powers that be have doubled down and the lies just kept on coming. And they have not stopped. The bubble those powers inhabit is being puncture by another medium — the internet — a medium relentless in its distributive potency. My 7 year old grandson is far more skeptical in his take-it-for-granted-way than his teacher. He said to his mom; “she has her point of view and so do I.” Amazing! I still have to remind myself that I am probably being lied too about most things.

    The process used to generate mass compliance is a studied method. Compliance is rewarded. Only those passively accepting their programming graduate from within a system established to engender passivity. Passive acceptance of the received is intentionally rewarded. All that’s required by the process is that graduates lard their conversations and their correspondences with the accepted tropes and that they passively accept the same tropes when they watch T.V. or read the opinions of journalists, or hear them mouthed repeatedly on the radio. Such people have been ever so gently coerced by years and years and years of sitting passively in their seats while certain messaging is repeated over and over again.

    Few people are truly educated — what most people want is that which they are programmed to want. Few are curious about much beyond their own very personal pursuits. We are bathed in infinite gestures of images meant to convey a particular message of compliant acceptance — certainly we are cynical but we comply anyway. We may complain but complaints are tropes as well. We all complain about the same things. Unfortunately complaining is circuitously recycled. When people complain everyone has their own example of the same complaint. Here’s an experiment: at the next family gathering complain about say, bad service or exorbitant costs, or the changing weather — or the “war in Ukraine.” Quickly everyone chimes in with what they seem to think is a unique slant.

    But question the premises in some way, suggesting a flaw in their reasoning, and you might be thought treasonous or worse, plain ignorant — when in fact passive acceptance and ignorance are dance partners. Listen to the music; if you do not hum the same tune you’ll be kicked out of the choir.

    Mention history say F.D.Roosevelt’s confiscation of gold in the 1930s, if the conversation is about whether to invest in gold or not you’ll be stared at as the you had made a rude noise. Most people revere F.D.R. without knowing a thing about him, his family, his friends, his associates, or of his calculatingly sacrificing Americans at Pear Harbour. His behaviour leading up to the U.S. entry into the war is no longer a secret. Historians’ have undermined the conventional narrative — but who cares?

    What about the evident connivance of money lenders, i.e. the international banking community in promulgating WW I and WWII? How is it possible to discuss war, without mentioning taxes, debt, government contracts, money, borrowing, the lenders and their history? But not having been taught to think, or taught to question the conventional wisdom that “everybody knows”, or indeed to question at all, one is bound in those circumstances to more or less keep one’s mouth shut — or risk one’s sister in law alluding to your tendency to shake things up and ruin the conversation!

    The entirety of modern society is so completely brainwashed. Anyone, expecting anything but chaos at the margins and stubbornly deterministic and ruinous policies to continue at the centre, has not read enough history. By refusing to pin the tail on the donkey society gradually collapses or collapses suddenly; but collapse it does. Even in the face of collapse most people expect things will eventually get back to the way they were. Soon though we forget! When the larger body of society forgets history repeats.

    My son and daughter in law automatically reach for their computers or cell phones to verify the stuff which dominates the news. Even I have an app listing all the English newspapers available throughout the world — there are hundreds and hundreds. Their content makes a mockery of the NY Times, the Washington Post, and even more so Canada’s Globe and Mail. In fact I find myself occasionally laughing out loud at the collective stupidity of those operating as though they were not thoroughly transparent in their ridiculous performances.

    Bob Dylan was prescient. To paraphrase; the president is naked. It is impossible to believe the President of the United States is in charge, rather than a foolish puppet. The same here in Canada. The Canadian Prime Minister has made a complete mockery of of his position. Of course, these two are typical of government leaders around the world. Look at them obliquely. …A pack of dangerous and malevolent clowns dancing a tune only they can hear. Fewer and fewer people believe anything said by public figures. The peoples trust in our traditional institutions is busted. The message you might say is fragmented beyond recognition. In this age of the Internet the calculated divide and conquer is busted too. A public with a million points of view is hardly stable either. We are most certainly on the yawning cusp of something entirely novel.

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  156. @Blissex

    zero-COVID governments

    Can you please define what you mean by the phrase “zero-Covid government”?

  157. MPJ says:
    @Ron Unz

    I’m more than convinced that you are not interested in serious investigation of the so-called vaccine and related matters. You clearly get a kick out of name-calling and this knee-jerk response of yours to disparage vaccine skeptics is a clear indication of your closed-mindedness and inability to consider any facts that don’t fit your preconceived ideas.

    I work for a well-known tech firm, an elite one too, and hate to burst your bubble built from your handful of anecdotes, there are plenty like me. We have a social media group too, of highly educated, Silicon Valley tech professionals who have suffered due to our stance on the matter. I find your flippant dismissal and gross mis-characterization of us to be offensive and extremely ignorant.

    What about the plethora of medical professionals like Peter McCullough, Pierre Kory, Paul Marik etc.? Are they all also useful idiots?

    [MORE]

    As for my comment, you very clearly evaded the crux of my assertion: why would anti-vaxxers invite clear harm by taking the stand that they did? QAnon didn’t require any sacrifices, professional or personal, other than posting messages to a social media app. Vaccine hesitancy did. You’re delusional if you think you can equate this matter with all the other conspiracy theories that modern peoples have associated with. Vaccine hesitancy and resistance had and still has, very real, tangible and quantifiable harms, something that your mind just can’t seem to comprehend. Something that no one willingly invites upon himself.

    To my knowledge, you’ve never addressed vaccine safety matters. Why? Are you afraid of something? Surely an intrepid investigator like you wouldn’t shy away from discussing this with a vaccine skeptic like Steve Kirsch? In the time you’ve spent mocking anti-vaxxers, you could have educated yourself on the matter by perusing his very informative blog. Your reluctance to seriously engage legitimate questions around vaccine efficacy and safety are a big red flag for me when it comes to your integrity and commitment to truth-seeking.

    Another aspect of your messaging that completely bewilders me is a question of method. Why do you think that origin questions are the best way to arrive at the truth? Do you seriously think it’s easy or even remotely possible to uncover the very origins of major, once-in-a-generation crises? I think it’s utterly childish to expect the elites, the media, the authorities to take any concrete steps to wards uncovering the origins of such grave matters. There’s a reason why no event of import in the modern times since WWII has been fully uncovered and perpetrators clearly and widely identified, let alone prosecuted or brought to justice. JFK, USS liberty, 9/11, Covid-19. Even facts around WWII only came out decades later and that too because the enemy in this case had been so thoroughly vanquished.

    If the deep state and other powerful global actors are behind many of these events, then why would you expect anyone to be brought to justice or for there to even be any serious attempt in doing so? All that the lay masses can do is to pursue the visible, direct effects of the main event and the auxiliary actions, events and occurrences related to the main event to be able to create enough doubt about the official explanations and provide enough evidence or trail thereof to attract more resourceful and powerful peoples and voices to the cause in the hopes of taking things further and eventually towards full resolution and exposition of the matter.

    That’s how most investigations proceed, carried out by professionals or by the masses. To go straight for the origins and hope to gain the confidence and cooperation of the very authorities and media you suspect to have been involved or at least implicated to some degree in the cover-up, to cooperate with you is sheer folly. I’m just flabbergasted at such naive a position that you have on this. I think it’s this naivete around this question of method that’s the reason for your tunnel-vision on this matter, i.e. anything that obstructs or even detracts from any investigation into the origins of a matter, you deem it to be so faulty and so methodologically wrong as to be malicious and deliberate at that.

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  158. @Ron Unz

    By education, the least covid-vaxxed per capita are Ph.Ds. Or perhaps that’s another fact that your oft-declared lack of interest in the covid vaccines has left you unaware of. For example, see https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/americans-with-phds-are-most-reluctant-to-get-vaccinated-against-covid/ar-AANjRHh.

    And, for the millionth time, anti-vaxxers and anti-mandatory-covid-vaxxers are not the same.

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  159. @Wizard of Oz

    How green is your sally, Wizz? Obscurity is its own reward.

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  160. @Ron Unz

    Sorry, the link in my previous comment regarding Ph.Ds being most skeptical of covid vaxxes was copied directly from a Google search, but it seems to go nowhere. Here’s a different link. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9893465/Americans-PhDs-reluctant-vaccinated-against-COVID-study-finds.html

  161. @Wizard of Oz

    I just saw a beaut example of the utility of FOIA requests. A doughty citizen requested the communications regarding US regulatory authorities and their ‘deliberations’ re. ivermectin. They received 180 odd pages, every single skerrick redacted ie blacked out. 100%. Thank God we live in the ‘Free World’ eh, Wizz.

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  162. @Ron Unz

    But you continue to use a blanket perjorative-‘antivaxxer’. That animadversion is now being applied to those daring to mention the great number of adverse reactions that these ‘vaccines’ have produced so far. Or to those who have noted, correctly, that natural immunity is superior to vaccine-acquired immunity, the balance of harms that says that children need not be ‘vaccinated’ and to those denying the efficacy or safety of endless ‘boosters’. Many of these people would happily have traditional, tested, vaccines, but draw the line at being human guinea-pigs in the service of BigPharma profits and who knows what other purposes.

    • Agree: MPJ
  163. @Ron Unz

    I wrote the last time why I won’t go through every one of your articles on this. However, THIS article is the one with the tweet by Mr. Ahmadinejad in it. Whatever you put here ought to support your point, should it not? Mr. Ahmadinejad wrote HERE:

    Nowadays, it is clear to the world people that the mutated and intelligent Coronavirus 2019, was produced in laboratories, and more clearly put, by the warfare stock houses of biologic war belonging to the world hegemonic powers, and is much more anti-human destructive and horrible than the other anti-human weapons such as nuclear and chemical ones as well as Harp.

    That’s my bold there. Other than his last opinion of which weapon is more horrible (Harp, really?), since I’d take the Kung Flu any time over a nuclear blast or chemical weapon – I have, in fact – I agree with the guy.

    Yes, it was made in laboratories that belong to the “hegemonic powers”. That’d be in the “gain-of-function” (no different than bioweapons) labs in Chapel Hill, N. Carolina and Wuhan, China. We know that! It’s out in the open. How it got to the public, well, my common sense tells me poor Q/C in China.

    The thing is, this tweet doesn’t support your theory. It doesn’t rule it out, but it doesn’t specifically support it. Then, as I wrote you before, Nicholas Wade was confident that the virus wasn’t spread by animals, within your theory, but concentrated on lab conditions, a spread of the virus due to that, and didn’t claim a purposeful spread of it. You’d written that it supported your theory. Then, the Wired article YOU referred to in that previous post reckoned the version of the virus that got out was spread via animals. It is in opposition to the Wade article. Their conclusions can’t both be true, so they can’t both support your theory.

    .

    PS: I may have even read that one, going by your excerpt. No doubt, with that assassination and continuous neo-Con hatred of Iran, they would have every reason to claim foul play. As you say, that statement is no proof of anything. In the articles you write, you have put in allegedly “supporting” articles that simply don’t support your theory. That’s what I’m going by.

  164. @Random Anonymous

    To correct a typo: “I’d say I don’t necessarily agree with every detail.”

  165. Andreas says:

    The Harrison / Sachs paper is a polite call for transparency.

    The “unusual furin cleavage site (FCS) in SARS-CoV-2” is interesting, but apparently not so compelling as to cause any real signs of a stir amongst researchers in this field. I’m guessing that there are too many variables for anyone to speculate publicly without further evidence to give it substance.

    Until there is transparency, there won’t be any useful information forthcoming that might help to explain it. And given that there is virtually zero chance of transparency by any of the organizations involved, no such information will ever be provided. Any information that does exist will have to be leaked, found or otherwise obtained.

    We might as well be waiting for Godot.

  166. Hydronium says:

    All or most of the major militaries have a biodefense (biowar) program. This is monstrously absurd and unacceptable. Unlike monstrously absurd and unacceptable nuclear weapons, any knucklehead in a virology lab could release a virus. Weaponizing contagious biological agents is an obvious crime against humanity, and many are guilty of this crime.
    It is not a great mystery that the pinnacles of power associated with these militaries and security agencies might collude with allies and adversaries alike to distract the global population from this truth.
    Psywar is simple but embarrassingly effective, particularly against the “well educated” and the “well off”, who are more prone to trust authorities.
    Mr. Unz’ “discoveries” are at least two years behind the cutting edge of investigative reporting, and he still appears to ignore or to be unaware of many essential pieces of the picture. The earliest reports that made sense to me were not from authoritative or credentialed sources, perhaps. Early in 2020, Whitney Webb and The Last American Vagabond, for example, issued many compelling reports which I believe have stood up over time.
    Covid 19 and its mRNA and adenoviral vaccines are certainly derived from US centered research, but the CCP and Chinese military are clearly complicit. The research goes back about twenty years to the first SARS outbreaks.
    Iran and Israel have “biodefense” programs. Russia, obviously, and even US occupied Ukraine. Who will cast the first stone?
    People need to cast stones at governments. It’s governments vs peoples.
    Mr. Unz, the spike protein vaccines are not sufficiently safe or effective for use on the population at large. They come from exactly the same programs that produced the virus. That means they came from crazy people. The technology is somewhat sophisticated, but the actual science behind them is 50-60 years old. These people are not wizards. Every aspect of the technology is experimental in humans. FDA approval, always dubious, has been forced through via threats and the actions of officials who have been installed in key positions. We have many authorities who have been installed in key positions. This procedure has enabled all manner of atrocities over the years, as we well know.

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  167. Alfred says:

    Dr. Peter Hotez, dean for the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, has repeatedly dismissed the idea of a lab accident or deliberate spread, calling it “an outlandish conspiracy theory”

    Pro-Vax Bully Implicated in Virus Engineering Program

  168. @Blissex

    Sometimes I suspect that anti-vaccination, COVID-denial and even origin-of-COVID campaigns are usually designed to distract from the really big thing of the large numbers of dead and gravely sick people who would not have died or been gravely sick if their governments had adopted zero-COVID.

    Yeah, China is shooting for Covid~Zero, as they had only 2 deaths in an 18 month period! What about those people that keeled over in the streets of Wuhan? Like the guy that got turned into a newt by that witch in The Holy Grail, they got better!

    To keep reaching for that magical Covid~Zero, the Chinese CCP has been instituting LOCKDOWN II this past Spring and still this Summer*. Peak Stupidity (barely!) remembers an old commercial, spoofed in “How does it feel, like you’re some kind of hero?”. If anyone here can remember that old Mustang II commerial:

    How does it feel, got that Flu Manchu?
    How does it feel, you’re in LOCKDOWN II?
    How does if feel, like you’re some kind of hero?
    Go on, LOCKDOWN II, Covid~Zero!

    Here ya’ go:

    .

    * Someone I know of in Canton, living with her family of four in one of 26 high-rise buildings in a big complex (we estimated ~25,000 people) has just come under lockdown. They have 2 months worth of rice, at least, so there’s that … and they’re wearing sunglasses …

  169. @Copperhead

    Out of [Agree]s here, but great comment, Copperhead!

  170. And the notion that absolutely no one is willing to discuss it is just unbelievable. It’s not like Stalin’s NKVD will ship them off to the Gulag if they say anything. I mean it’s one thing if people are fearful of being shot, but it’s another thing if they’re merely fearful of being criticized on Twitter…

    Modern Americans are characterized by moral cowardice. Among other instances of faint-heartedness, they have allowed sub-Saharans to destroy most of the country’s great cities and are now allowing sodomites to openly recruit their children.

    Clearly, past generations of Americans were not cowards. Too much of the good life and not enough of the Christian life did this to them.

  171. @Kevin Barrett

    Do you know how violent the Jew is?
    (Certainly you know how violent “Jewmerican hyena” are?!)
    Only violence changes born violence.
    They know it and have been arming up for decades against the American citizen.
    There is one part in me that is gleefully looking forward to an American civil war.
    There is not a single part in me but my whole being, every atom of this heap of flesh, that is desiring to return every iota of violence to the occupiers and collaborators of Germany.

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  172. @MPJ

    do you find it at all curious how quickly such a novel medical product (mRNA based) was produced as a response to the virus? More importantly, how it very quickly became the only permissible medical intervention, promoted, supported, advocated for and legislated by virtually all in authority, anywhere?

    Yes, do think it happened the way you say it did and I find it curious. Maybe pharma greed and power, government corruption, and conformity in face of panic is enough to explain it (RFK Jr). It’s plausible too that the same gain-of-function cabal had been fiddling around with Covid vaccines and just pulled one off the shelf. Baric at UNC? See this document dated 12/12/2019, a Material Transfer Agreement among NIAID, Moderna, and UNC, the material being “mRNA coronavirus vaccine candidates developed and jointly owned by the NIAID and Moderna.” https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/6935295/NIH-Moderna-Confidential-Agreements.pdf Another possibility is that Covid-19 itself was an experimental contagious vaccine that misfired and then exploded in the population. IIRC a internet personality named Ethical Skeptic has written about this, but I didn’t work to understand the technical arguments.

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  173. @Ron Unz

    It looks to me like you wrote up Sachs, intentionally or carelessly, in a way that would mislead the vast majority of readers who would fail to check the source into thinking that Sachs supports your rogue-neocon hypothesis. Several commenters interpreted you in that manner.

    Sachs’ claims are major steps in your direction? No, his claims are steps in another direction: a) attention to the widely known and acknowledged collaboration of the US gain of function cabal with PRC Wuhan lab and b) the Wuhan lab accident hypothesis that has been widely entertained although zealously avoided and dismissed by cabal forces.

    You also say

    the fact that they’ve received essentially 0% coverage in the media despite his role as chairman of the Covid Commission certainly tends to support my arguments for a massive mainstream and alternative media cover-up on the issue.

    Mainstream and alternative media all know the truth of the rogue-neocon hypothesis, so they work together to cover up authoritative Sach’s tentative endorsement of China lab blunder so as to deflect attention from the rogue-neocon issue? A less fanciful explanation is that the gain of function cabal (that includes some powerful and guilty USG elements) has both the motive and the means to powerfully propagandize against the likely China-lab-blunder hypothesis.

  174. Ron Unz says:
    @MPJ

    I’m more than convinced that you are not interested in serious investigation of the so-called vaccine and related matters. You clearly get a kick out of name-calling and this knee-jerk response of yours to disparage vaccine skeptics is a clear indication of your closed-mindedness and inability to consider any facts that don’t fit your preconceived ideas.

    You seemly like a typically ignorant anti-vaxxer.

    I don’t have any interest in the vaxxing issue, but I just checked and as of the end of the end of last year, apparently 85% of American adults had already gotten a Covid vaccination:

    https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/12/who-are-the-adults-not-vaccinated-against-covid.html

    So I’d guess that the figure is well over 90% by now. Furthermore, the overwhelming majority of the unvaxxed were younger than 50, for whom the Covid virus isn’t very dangerous.

    Otherwise, blacks and high school dropouts were the most likely to be unvaccinated. The quoted data about many Ph.D.’s being “vaccine hesitant” was a year old and I doubt whether it’s still the case today.

    This isn’t an anti-vaxxing website, so why are you even commenting here? Why don’t you go away and spend your time ranting about vaccines with the other anti-vaxxers somewhere else?

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  175. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    And what you don’t seem to realize is that quite a few reasonably prominent alt-activists quietly think anti-vaxxing is crazy, but they’re fearful of saying anything lest a horde of fervent anti-vaxxers attack and denounce them. Meanwhile, all the anti-vaxxers rant and rave and stir each other up into greater lunacy.

    You forget to condemn the even more extreme Manda-vaxx crazies.

    The old and sick getting the jab made sense. Then BigPharma stoked up the Manda-vaxx nutters. To make money they needed everyone to be jabbed, so they encouraged Manda-vaxx hysteria. Even if you are young a healthy you must get the jab. Even that was not enough $$$ for BigPharma so the ratcheted up the hysteria further. Kids must be jabbed to go to school. Then they came for even more $$$ with the boosters. The Manda-vaxx extremists, brainwashed by BigPharma, were well on their way to annual COVID shots for permanent profitability before the wheels fell off.

    They couldn’t get it written into law, so they bullied business into Manda-vaxx. The implicit threat was that companies would be sued for damages if a patron or employee caught the virus. It is not clear that big firms really believed in the jab. They simply could not bear the legal risk of opposing Manda-vaxx extremists.

    Manda-vaxx is finally losing credibility among the people, and BigPharma is not taking it well. They push the Manda-vaxx extremists to rail against the dying of the light… ranting and raving and stirring each other up into greater lunacy.

    PEACE 😇

  176. @A123

    You are so full of yourself. What would a pretender like you know about Leni Riefenstahl apart from Jewmerican propaganda?! Your life is, just like the censoring Con’s, a “Burden of Proof”.

  177. Wade says:
    @Fungus Among Us

    Ron’s theory is definitely the best one and the most well thought out with the best evidence. But like all theories it has weaker points based on reasonable assumptions. Two of those have always been that the rogue operative was a familiar neocon figure like Bolton or Pompeo and that blowback to the US was entirely unintentional.

    Ron I believe has relaxed his stance on the second assumption. Regarding the first assumption, I really don’t regard it as completely essential to his theory other than it illustrates that the release of a biological attack doesn’t have to involve very many people being “in the know” and might very well have been one of those two people since they were in a position to do it.

    But the whole scenario reminds me of the Anthrax attack after 911 and how a mole within Fort Detrick (I believe it was) had provided the Anthrax for the terrorists (Mossad?) to use. I suppose if the formal chain of command is so weak that it can be broken by a single neocon it can just as easily be circumvented entirely by someone who has a mole on the inside willing to provide the COVID virus samples.

    I’m also reminded of Stuxnet virus episode where the NSA/Unit 8200 managed to get their virus across an air-gap onto Iran’s nuclear centrifuges which apparently required a mole willing to take in a thumb drive. If there was a mole inside Iran’s nuclear program willing to provide this service to Israel, how much easier would it be for Israel (or the CIA) to have a mole inside one of the US’s bioweapons labs willing to do the same?

    For this reason I’ve always considered Ron’s remarks about Bolton and Pompeo to be illustrative only and to be taken with a grain of salt.

  178. @Blissex

    Sometimes I suspect that anti-vaccination, COVID-denial and even origin-of-COVID campaigns are usually designed to distract from the really big thing of the large numbers of dead and gravely sick people who would not have died or been gravely sick if their governments had adopted zero-COVID.

    Dude, you are going to get so much blowback with this sort of comment. You have emphatically turned reality on its head.

    Have you examined the government data coming out of “zero COVID” countries like Australia and New Zealand?

    Neither country had any significant increase in all-cause mortality until after they rolled out the fake “vaccines” – and now it’s through the roof. Up by over 20% in Australia (and up by over 40% in the USA, just BTW). I recommend you find someone who understands statistics and ask them about the significance of those numbers (or just ask the insurance companies for their take on it).

    Meanwhile, government data in BOTH Australia and New Zealand – both “zero COVID” countries – reveals that all the supposed Corona Chan hospitalisations and deaths are amongst the double, triple and quadruple vaccinated – a veritable epidemic that didn’t start in either country until after they rolled out the fake “vaccines” (which you might understand is a logical necessity given that it’s the “vaccinated” that are dropping like flies).

    Even Mr. Unz won’t rail against these statements as being “anti-vaxxer” hype, for the simple reason that – despite his eccentricity – he’s an honest man at heart and those details are just statements of the inconvenient facts which have been cited in response to your ill-founded assertion.

    [MORE]

    As to what China is up to with their continued lockdowns – let me know when you find out. I’m sure they know, and probably God too, but for everyone else it’s a mystery.

    Meanwhile, Corona Chan is so dated now – the agents of mischief (I personally like to call them Globalists, but to each their own) have moved on from their opening campaign in the war against humanity. Don’t be fooled by the dreaded gay-bar Monkeypox and it’s corresponding fake “vaccines” (which were already stockpiled even before Monkeypox was released) – that’s all effectively just a distraction.

    Maybe they will spring a new and truly deadly pathogen on us, something that will do the job that the Trojan Horse Corona Chan and the fake “vaccines” have only marginally accomplished. For the time being, that’s just speculation.

    It’s not speculation that various nations are now accelerating adoption of the World Economic Forum’s model for a global digital identity platform tied to a government-controlled digital currency that will capture all possible data associated with every individual and deliver control of this information to government agencies and contracted corporate entities – the WEF’s version of the “Mark of the Beast”, whereby they plan to track and utterly control everyone. The legal framework to enable all of this is already well advanced in Canada and Australia, just to mention a couple.

    Nor is it speculation that the Masters of the Universe now begun campaigns to disrupt the global economic, food and energy systems (have a look at Sri Lanka if you need clarification, and maybe examine the situations right now in Europe and Argentina), and possibly get Exercise WWIII going against China and Russia. All of these undertakings are implicitly directed at collapsing governments, destroying economies and reducing the global population, though one shouldn’t need to have that pointed out (just to be perfectly clear, it should all be self-evident). Whether you starve or freeze to death or get shot in the face, you’re still dead. And if this happens to enough people, then the problems start cascading.

    FWIW, I don’t disagree with Mr. Unz’ assertion of the involvement of renegade neocons in the mayhem that has spread across the globe these past several years – I just differ on the position of those renegades in the pecking order. I doubt that they yet grasp their actual position in the scheme of things themselves (hint – they’re a long way down the ladder, and they’re expendable).

    • Replies: @Blissex
  179. I ask this question in all sincerity….

    What difference does it make if ALL the horrendous CRIMES against humanity, just in the last 20 years, are ALL fully exposed, detailed and documented….

    IF NO ONE REALLY GIVES A SHIT ?

    IF THERE IS NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO ABOUT IT ?

    IF THE ONLY SOLUTION APPEARS TO BE VIOLENT REVOLUTION AND A CHAIN REACTION IS SET OFF WHICH ULTIMATELY CONCLUDES WITH THE POWER CRAZED DEGENERATE LUNATICS IN CONTROL OF OUR DESTINY DECIDING IT THEY ARE GOING DOWN, THEN FUCK IT, THEY ARE TAKING EVERYONE DOWN WITH THEM ? EVERYONE.

    Perhaps one of your future editorials can address some of these questions ?

    And, as an aside, you might want to have a “cursory” look at REVELATION, for a possibly “informative”, if not “entertaining” view of how this whole mess ENDS.

  180. MPJ says:
    @Random Anonymous

    I’ve quibbled with him before over his crass generalization of all skeptics as anti-vaxxers. He simply does not care and as he said in his reply to my comment, he just doesn’t have any interest whatsoever in investigating the vaccine issue. This level of closed-mindedness typifies the vast majority of simpletons who swallowed all official covid misinformation from masks to case counts to vaccines to the natural origin and everything in between.

    He is pathetically mainstream in all his thinking except the origins question where he feels the vaccine skepticism has stolen the thunder from his narrative. That’s sad and funny at the same time.

    • Replies: @Maple Curtain
  181. @A123

    The old and sick getting the jab made sense.

    Scum like you and The Censor here getting the jab would make sense.

  182. MPJ says:
    @New Dealer

    Yes, familiar with Ethical Skeptic’s work. He also puts the timeline of the virus much earlier than 2019.

  183. And, as an aside, you might want to have a “cursory” look at REVELATION, for a possibly “informative”, if not “entertaining” view of how this whole mess ENDS.

    True, there are a lot of pointers to where the situation is heading, including Biblical and other religious sources.

    There are also (relatively) more recent mystical insights from various places and times around the globe which disclose a coming world war (Exercise WWIII to follow the nomenclature) and other destruction – so people should probably be making efforts to secure their resources and bone up on their survival skills (or find a safe place to hide).

    FWIW, you’ll probably be encouraged to know that a contemporary technologically driven source – see https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/ – asserts that the Satanists (or Globalists, for anyone who hesitates to acknowledge the spiritual dimension) will ultimately fail in their push for their One World Government – although there will be horrendous collateral damage before it’s all over sometime around 2032.

    A lot can happen in just 10 years.

    It unfortunately seems that what we’ve seen so far is just the beginning,

  184. Anon[307] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    * Someone I know of in Canton, living with her family of four in one of 26 high-rise buildings in a big complex (we estimated ~25,000 people) has just come under lockdown. They have 2 months worth of rice, at least, so there’s that … and they’re wearing sunglasses …

    Just hold on a second. There are people on this site who assert China is a Utopia. You know the ones I am talking about. What you are saying is contrary.

    Please explain.

    As for China having zero Covid, I cannot help but laugh. The virus and all its mutations does not give a shit about Xi’s zero policy. I dont know of any disease or virus that has been forever eradicated. I thought these people were smart, or is the CCP giving their folks the good old in out !?

    NB: I hope your friends have toilet paper !

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  185. @A123

    You forget to condemn the even more extreme Manda-vaxx crazies.

    This is an interesting take on the situation – which I suppose acknowledges the ease with which a herding species can be excited to stampede in a particular direction.

    Of course, that requires a catalysing agent, and the controlled Western media and corrupt governments, in blatant collusion with Big Pharma, have provided that in spades, 24/7 for over two years.

    The implicit threat was that companies would be sued for damages if a patron or employee caught the virus.

    … the irony being that those same companies are now exposed to massive class action lawsuits from all those employees whose health and economic status were damaged (let alone those who were outright killed) by those illegally enforced mandates.

    • Replies: @A123
  186. @Hydronium

    Excellent post – particularly this…

    People need to cast stones at governments. It’s governments vs peoples.

    That pretty much brings the real problem into focus.

    Were it just one corrupt government waging war on its people, then we’d have a much easier time sorting it out.

    However, we have numerous governments around the world marching in lockstep, dancing to the tune of the World Economic Forum, all lining up against their own people. They’re all being directed by a tiny highly organised and regimented cabal of genocidal psycopaths.

    It seems to me that the most direct path to a solution would be to (as the Russians say) “target the decision making centers”. That would be the membership of the WEF and its associated institutions, together with its legion of ideologic agents entrenched throughout the governing structures of the planet.

    How hard can it be?

  187. anastasia says:

    Well, it certainly is a “virus” like no other. The symptoms are as numerous as the sands on the sea, just like AIDS.

  188. H. L. M says:

    Dear Ron,

    Don’t you get it? “Operation Covid”, the scam used to “vaccinate” the western world with toxic substances, is not a US operation perpetrated against its enemies. It’s a lot bigger than that.

    It’s a top to bottom international jew operation designed to decimate the world’s population, concentrate wealth in jewish hands and perfect Agenda 2030. In other words, perfect the New World Order.

    Is the USG govt complicit? Of course.
    Is the Chinese govt complicit? Of course.
    Are enemies of Israel (Iranian leaders) convenient victims? Of course.

    Think about the players:

    Jewish Central Banking
    Jewish Big Pharma
    Jewish Big Tech
    Jewish Media

    • Replies: @Blissex
  189. Blissex says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    «Have you examined the government data coming out of “zero COVID” countries like Australia and New Zealand?»

    Australia has abandoned zero-COVID and switched to “let it rip” quite a while ago, under the illusion that vaccinations on their own can deal with the epidemic.

    Anyhow your bizarre argument are directly contradicted by the graph I posted here it is again:

    https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&uniformYAxis=0&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=aged_65_older&Metric=Deaths+and+excess+mortality&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Color+by+test+positivity=false&country=USA~AUS~JPN~NZL~KOR~CAN~TWN~GBR~CHN~POL~NOR~IRL~ISL~DEU~FIN~THA~SWE~ITA~CUB~DNK~FRA~HKG~SGP

    In this graph you could have seen cumulative COVID deaths per million residents and overall excess death rates, and you could have noticed two glaring situations:

    * Excess deaths and COVID death rates are approximately the same, and there has been no surge in excess deaths with vaccinations, but when some countries ended zero-COVID to rely solely on vaccinations there was an increase in deaths.

    * Excess deaths and COVID death rates are 10-100 times lower in some countries than in others, and they happen to be 10-100 times lower where and when zero-COVID was used, at least in part.

    The biggest excess death rates, and COVID death rates, are in UK, Poland, USA, Italy, France, Sweden, Germany among those listed.

    Norway, New Zealand, Korea-south, Singapore, Thailand, Japan, China have COVID death rates 10-100 times lower.

    The data on excess death rates for Norway, Denmark, New Zealand are 10 times lower, even if there has been widespread vaccination there (Norway 80%, Denmark 82%, New Zealand 80%).

    https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?yScale=log&zoomToSelection=true&facet=none&uniformYAxis=0&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=aged_65_older&Metric=People+fully+vaccinated&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Color+by+test+positivity=false&country=USA~AUS~JPN~NZL~KOR~CAN~TWN~GBR~CHN~POL~NOR~IRL~ISL~DEU~FIN~THA~SWE~ITA~CUB~DNK~FRA~HKG~SGP

    Also:

    https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=aged_65_older&Metric=Excess+mortality+%28estimates%29&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Color+by+test+positivity=false&country=USA~AUS~JPN~NZL~KOR~CAN~TWN~GBR~CHN~POL~NOR~IRL~ISL~DEU~FIN~THA~SWE~ITA~CUB~DNK~FRA~HKG~SGP

    In New Zealand the excess death rate is *negative*, despite 80% being fully vaccinated, presumably because zero-COVID has also prevented the spread of other diseases (there have been reports that in several countries the ordinary flu simply disappeared).

    Are those NZ negative excess death reports faked to hide the widespread deaths among the 80% of vaccinated people there?
    Why there is no excess death surge during the first half of 2021 when most people in those countries got vaccinated? Are excess death reports in every country faked?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  190. A123 says: • Website
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    You forget to condemn the even more extreme Manda-vaxx crazies.

    This is an interesting take on the situation

    Regrettably, inaccurate terminology like pro and anti vaxx have trapped a large number of people into a mindscape that simply does not work. I use these descriptions for the sides:

        • Vaxx-Realist
        • Manda-Vaxx

    Vaxx-Realists see the ultra rapid & experimental mRNA development for what it is. They rationally observe that corners were cut to create an emergency vaccine. There is sound science supporting the belief that the COVID jab is much more dangerous than other vaccines.

    — For those at maximum risk due to both age and pre-existing conditions, participating in the experiment could be a reasonable choice.

    — The mRNA vaccine is of little or no benefit to those who are young & healthy. Why participate in a medical experiment when there is little to no upside?

    acknowledges the ease with which a herding species can be excited to stampede in a particular direction.

    Of course, that requires a catalysing agent, and the controlled Western media and corrupt governments, in blatant collusion with Big Pharma, have provided that in spades, 24/7 for over two years.

    Exactly right.

    Manda-vaxxers are science denying *Sheeple*. The media and the government tell them to panic. Then they instruct them to obey. The Manda-vaxx extremists not only act against their own interests, the stampede they create carries along others who do not want to be trampled.

    BigPharma wins, science loses, and people are unnecessarily injured.

    … the irony being that those same companies are now exposed to massive class action lawsuits from all those employees whose health and economic status were damaged (let alone those who were outright killed) by those illegally enforced mandates.

    Businesses will point to CDC guidance and state that they were doing what the government told them to do. Winning such a suit would be difficult to impossble.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  191. Blissex says:
    @H. L. M

    «“Operation Covid”, the scam used to “vaccinate” the western world with toxic substances»

    * Are excess death rates in *every* country, including Iran, and other non-western ones, completely faked?

    * If they are, why are excess death rates 10-100 times lower in zero-COVID countries?

    * If they are not, what explains the surge in excess deaths *before* vaccinations?

  192. @Blissex

    That movement (the anti-vaxxing movement) and the “COVID-is-a-hoax” movement have also been very effective at distracting many people from considering the 10-100 times lower death and sickness rates of countries with zero-COVID governments.

    That “lower death and sickness rate” was notable in the initial months of the alleged Corona Chan “pandemic” for many countries around the Pacific Rim – China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand, etc – no question about that.

    But fair suck of the sauce bottle, let’s be honest here and face the music – check out the rate of supposed Corona Chan cases, hospitalisations and deaths in Australia after the “vaccine” rollout commenced. What was previously a non-existent “pandemic” has now exploded to the worst rate of alleged Corona Chan cases, hospitalisations and deaths in the entire world

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-interactive/2022/feb/21/covid-19-australia-data-tracker-map-cases-today-coronavirus-tracking-stats-live-data-update-by-state-melbourne-regional-victoria-vic-sydney-nsw-how-many-new-active-case-numbers-statistics-deaths-death-toll

    Hey, it’s not much, but suffices to make the point.

    [MORE]

    A factor of 10-100 is pretty huge thing, that somehow very few people seem interested in.

    Yes, a factor of 10 – 100 is indeed a pretty huge thing – that somehow you yourself seem uninterested in.

    BTW, the measures enforced to accomplish those “zero COVID” results in the early months of the alleged “pandemic” have themselves inflicted enormous damage on the targeted “zero COVID” societies – arguably 20x worse than anything the alleged Corona Chan bug itself might have caused…

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/disease/lockdowns-20x-more-deadly-than-covid/

    Perhaps that might partly account for the massive increase in all cause mortality observed in multiple nations around the world (>40% in the USA, just so you know) – but strangely this didn’t arise until after the “vaccine” rollout commenced (which is why insurance companies are now positioning to sue Big Pharma to mitigate the explosion of life insurance payouts after the rollout of the “vaccines”)…

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-08-22-uk-insurers-see-increase-covid-payouts-2021.html

    … note the short video near the end of that article which explains that some insurance companies are now refusing to pay out on life-insured “vaccine” deaths, because they classify death from taking an experimental injection as suicide.

    No “anti-vaxxers” here, Mr. Unz – just the inconvenient truth.

  193. A123 says: • Website
    @Anon

    Shanghai is not going to tolerate the “COVID Zero” crazy much longer.

    Karlin, who no longer posts here, posited that Xi and the CCP were specifically targeting Shanghai for unusually stringent enforcement.

    PEACE 😇

  194. @A123

    Businesses will point to CDC guidance and state that they were doing what the government told them to do. Winning such a suit would be difficult to impossble.

    We can always be hopeful. The insurance companies just lately seem to be targeting Big Pharma to recover some of the explosion in life insurance payouts over the last year (following the “vaccine” rollout).

    But as you say – the government told them to do it, so logically that should make the government liable…

    https://cairnsnews.org/2022/08/22/australian-governments-face-class-action-over-draconian-illegal-covid-powers/

    Meanwhile, Dr. Reiner Fuellmich and his global alliance of legal professionals have been working toward suing the pants off governments and Big Pharma for some time now…



    Video Link

    … it all seems to be a very long drawn out process – perhaps once a precedent is set in one country, the dam walls will break.

  195. This is a very important article Mr. Unz. I think that very important informations about the atrocities being performed in the name of supposedly higher moral causes by Western agencies are being hidden from the population. However tthey will be exposed. Some things have changed since the end of the Cold War. The main change is the development of the Internet and that provides a space where people and events can’t hide for long. Of course, many who go to the Web just want to be entertained or comforted, but I find that even with the current level of censorship more information goes through right now than it was ever the case during the preceding e period I know about, namely from the 1950’s to the beginning of the new millenium. Your website is very helpful.

    • Agree: Ultrafart the Brave
  196. And – truth be told – it certaonly doesnt help matters that that typical ‘Murcan is as dumb as a fkin donut!🙄

  197. H. L. M says:
    @Blissex

    That’s a very good point. In fact, it’s one of the most important to understand.

    Because almost all governments are controlled, you can’t believe their stats. A good example of this are the CDC’s flue stats for 2019 and 2020. Look it up and you’ll see how ridiculous they are.

    Better to use insurance industry stats—– and common sense.

  198. I posted a screenshot of the Russian MFA statement and the URL of this article on Instagram. It was taken down after about one minute. There was an explanation about protecting their community from misinformation, blah, blah, blah.

  199. @Blissex

    * Are excess death rates in *every* country, including Iran, and other non-western ones, completely faked?

    Obviously, they are not faked. For example, insurance companies have calculated a 22% increase in all cause mortality in Australia and 40% in the USA – but that was not until AFTER the “vaccine” rollout commenced.

    * If they are, why are excess death rates 10-100 times lower in zero-COVID countries?

    The answer is that they are not 10-100 times lower in “zero COVID” countries – not since the “vaccines” were rolled out. Australia now has the highest per-capita alleged Corona Chan case rate in the world and a 22% increase in all cause mortalityAFTER the “vaccine” rollout, not before.

    * If they are not, what explains the surge in excess deaths *before* vaccinations?

    Nothing can explain what you have proposed, because it is simply false. The surge in excess deaths happened AFTER the “vaccine” rollout commenced, not before.

    That’s why insurance companies are now moving to sue Big Pharma to recover life insurance payouts which exploded after the rollout of the “vaccines”.

    Here’s a few charts and other info that spells it out in no uncertain terms – I know, I’m lazy, I’ve already referenced it before – but maybe it will seep in at some point…

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-interactive/2022/feb/21/covid-19-australia-data-tracker-map-cases-today-coronavirus-tracking-stats-live-data-update-by-state-melbourne-regional-victoria-vic-sydney-nsw-how-many-new-active-case-numbers-statistics-deaths-death-toll

    … if not, then I suggest go have a close look at Israel’s experience. If that doesn’t stir up the moths, nothing will.

    • Replies: @Blissex
    , @Blissex
  200. The screenshot of the MFA statement has been restored on IG, but the URL to this article is missing. I’ve already received one “like.”

  201. @Larry Romanoff

    This is a simple and straightforward result of hyper specialization.

    You have multiple people with PhD’s on a single chemical reaction inside a certain type star inside a special variety of galaxy. They don’t know anything substantial about anything else. They think Game of Thrones is a rendition of medieval history.

    If it wasn’t on a power point slide show at their job it is avoidable and useless mind clutter.

    You don’t know anybody like this? I don’t know very many people who are not like this.

  202. Seems like human nature to regard everybody else’s pet theories as distractions from the real truth, which is of course always your own pet theory.

    It’s funniest when the biggest splits arise from only minor distinctions between the theories. I suppose if it weren’t for this, mass movements like Christianity, communism, democracy and LGBT+ would have done even more damage.

    Their internal squabbles helped to keep them from fighting the real enemy, which is of course hyperintelligent reptilian aliens who assume human form to conquer our planet.

    • LOL: Mehen
  203. @mulga mumblebrain

    Meaning? Have you a comment relevant to the subject?

    • Replies: @A123
    , @mulga mumblebrain
  204. @Ron Unz

    My apologies. That rather pathetic defensive reply was perhaps provoked by my insensitively curt inquiry. Unfortunately I have been suffering wipeouts of carefully composed, longer, more tactfully worded comments and this genuine inquiry about the true scope of your increasing coverage ended up like that.

  205. Zumbuddi says:
    @Kurt Knispel

    Although it is surely small comfort, know, Kurt Knispel, know that you are not alone in the “desire to return every iota of violence to the occupiers and collaborators [in the destruction] of Germany.”

    Let it be.

  206. Hydronium says:
    @Ron Unz

    I am very grateful for this website and for your extraordinary efforts to bring to light suppressed truths and distorted narratives. Your caliber and energy far exceed my own.
    With this comment, you have switched from argument from authority to argument from consensus.
    Your estimate is good; the CDC now estimates that 90% of adults have received a vaccine dose, but, surprisingly perhaps, only about 77% are estimated to be fully vaccinated. These are all estimates, since the CDC does not receive personally identifiable information.
    Moving on, a little over 50% of adults have received a their first booster.
    Only 36% of Boosted adults over age 50 have taken a second booster.
    I could offer a silly hypothesis, that the incidence of ignorant anti-vaxxer syndrome paradoxically increases with each with each subsequent dose.
    Thought leaders have suggested a less alarming and more likely alternative: the mandates strongly contributed to initial vaccine uptake rates.
    Likely, far more than the 23% of adults currently not-fully-vaccinated would have taken the path of ignorance all along, given the choice.

    Many governments now place the unboosted in the same legal category as the unvaxxed. Absent this caveat, heavily vaccinated populations have certainly suffered epidemics of the vaccinated.
    It is possible that periodic boosters reduce morbidity and mortality (not overall, but from Covid-19) in vulnerable populations. Hard
    to demonstrate, given the less virulent strains currently circulating. (Impossible to prove, given that nothing is scientifically proven, by definition.)
    I was horrified to see that the CDC states that 60% of Americans ages 12-17 are fully vaxxed, as well as 30% of 5-11 year olds, and an additional 11 million children under age 5. Efficacy was never demonstrated for the younger groups; it was not possible since they so rarely become seriously ill from the disease. Serological detection of an immune response to the vaccine was presumed to indicate efficacy. Really.
    You state in this comment that you are not interested (not very informed) in vaccine debates. You can surely see how your subsequent use of the expression “ignorant anti-vaxxer” raises eyebrows. And riles lowbrows.
    You have been very explicit that you don’t want to hear any more of this crap. Not sorry. You’re something of a hero to some of us (Say it ain’t so, Joe!) but the harming of children, for example, is far more important than your feelings.

    • Replies: @MPJ
    , @Ron Unz
    , @JimDandy
  207. A123 says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    Mulga NoBrain never has comments relevant to anything. It is a very sad troll thing.

    Above post #1 in each thread is the [Commenters to Ignore] feature. The UR site becomes much more pleasant when lobotomite trolls are squelched. I placed a useful starter list below the [MORE] tag.

    You can tell how little self worth Mulga NoBrain has. It should know than I have had it on the blocked list for over a year. Yet it craves my attention so much it slavishly follows me around placing ‘troll’ marks on my posts.

    The key characteristic of the Mulga archetype is desperation, with large side orders of pathetic, InCel, and needy.

    PEACE 😇

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  208. Mehen says:

    Would be interesting to know if Mr. Unz has any money tied up in Pfizer/Big Pharma

    • Replies: @MPJ
  209. Blissex says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    «The answer is that they are not 10-100 times lower in “zero COVID” countries – not since the “vaccines” were rolled out.»

    Well, the reported ones are. The issue is: if all governments of every country are complicit in faking the reported death rates, why are some governments, those that have chosen zero COVID still reporting death rates 10-100 times lower than the governments that chose “let it rip” or half-assed lockdowns, before vaccines?

    The inconsistent worldwide faking of death statistics looks like a very poorly executed conspiracy :-).

  210. saggy says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Well, I don’t speak Russian and I wasn’t at the Russian Defense Ministry briefing conducted by Lieutenant-General Igor Kirillov, head of Biological Defense, but this is what RT reported:

    I don’t speak Russian either, but my wife is Russian :). It’s common knowledge that the US has been conducting research on bats, SARS, etc., and was sponsoring research at Wuhan. So to say that the US might have been responsible for the Covid outbreak is a given.

    But that is not what you are claiming, you’re conflating that with the idea that the US launched a biological attack against China, and that is preposterous.

    Get off this nonsense! We’re all about to be blown off the face of the earth! We have a military conflict between two nuclear powers and neither has any intention of losing. There is only one possible outcome.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  211. MPJ says:
    @Hydronium

    As you interact with his narrative on this topic, his irrational intransigence, as fully displayed in this comment of his, will ensure your dismay turns into the realization that he’s as mainstream as they come with precious little pet disagreements with the status quo.

    The website is the real deal though and for that, we owe him thanks. If he could only be as committed to the pursuit of truth as he is to free speech…

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  212. MPJ says:
    @Mehen

    That could be it but he doesn’t need the money, we know that. I suspect it’s something more simple, more base, something to do with the mind, psychology.

  213. Blissex says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    «Here’s a few charts and other info that spells it out in no uncertain terms – I know, I’m lazy, I’ve already referenced it before – but maybe it will seep in at some point…»

    Nut those are from government data! How can you trust them? 🙂

    I see that there was a ramping up of hospitalization and deaths after the removal of zero-COVID restrictions in October 2021, from nearly zero levels to low levels, and that in states that kept some of them there was not much of that, but NSW had it different as they were so keen on removing all restrictions.

    The reported all-Australia COVID deaths are currently 60-80 per day, or around 25,000 per year, and out of 26 million that is around 1 per year in 1,000 death rate.

    The australian death rate in the 10 years before COVID was around 7 per year per 1,000, so that’s a 14% increase. Vaccines are not completely effective, especially against new variants, and that’s why sensible places still do (or have done for as long as possible) zero-COVID too, instead of “let it rip”.

    The officially reported total death rates per million residents for COVID in the two years after March 2020 have been:

    Not zero-COVID:

    * Peru 6,290.94, Hungary 4,661.07
    * Poland 2,997.33, USA 2,905.23, Italy 2,678.92
    * Iran 1,591.96, Switzerland 1,554.06, Israel 1,125.82

    Zero-COVID at least in part at least for an extended period:

    * Finland 539.20, Vietnam 433.56, Norway 432.91
    * Thailand 345.18, South Korea 287.46,
    * Singapore 228.47, Australia 227.34, Japan 222.41
    * New Zealand 53.22, Taiwan 35.75, China 3.24

    All government statistics are fake, but why are they so different if they are all on the same conspiracy?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  214. @MPJ

    Yes, and it is unfathomable to long-time readers of this sight that Unz can be so proud of his ignorance on the subject yet so dismissive of those who know more than him about it.

  215. @Ron Unz

    None of the smart, sensible people I know, whose opinions I respect, are anti-vaxxers or even know any anti-vaxxers.

    That’s quite an echo chamber you’ve built for yourself (or maybe you all just play truth cards very close to the chest).

    • Replies: @Random Anonymous
  216. Ron Unz says:
    @Blissex

    I’m very glad that you’re willing to take the time to challenge all these silly anti-vaxxers with these important statistics.

  217. @A123

    I have to say that obwandiyag, who is on your ignore list, made one of my all time favorite comments concerning Mr. Unz’s standard American Pravda shtick:

    Mr. Unz is always being staggered.

    It’s like, he’s all naive, then he’s staggered, then he’s naive again, then he’s staggered again.

    I personally would just stop reading the New York Times. It causes too much staggering.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-public-health-problems/?showcomments#comment-5109940

    Nevertheless, I still have great appreciation for the American Pravda series. I just hope eventually Mr. Unz will also be staggered when he finally understands the true balance of costs and benefits from the government’s Covid-19 policies.

  218. @Anon

    They were warned about keeping up with the toilet paper. Thank you, #307, for caring. ;-}

    Now, I feel like an idiot for not writing in that footnote my point. See, that whole damned apartment complex (the Chinese really like living in 20-30 story buildings) got locked down because one, that’s 1!, of the residents tested positive for the Flu Manchu.

    Americans who think WE have it bad ought to open their eyes and realize that stupidity doesn’t stop at the California coastline.

  219. @Rumpelstiltskin

    The New York based film critic Pauline Kael famously stated she knew almost no one who voted for Richard Nixon in 1972.

    “I live in a rather special world. I only know one person who voted for Nixon. Where they are I don’t know. They’re outside my ken. But sometimes when I’m in a theater I can feel them.”

    Probably she was staggered when Nixon won the election.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  220. @Ron Unz

    I think you forgot to award the much-coveted gold box.

  221. @New Dealer

    Ron Unz, you are fixated on your rogue neocon theory of Covid-19 invention and dissemination.

    Yes, exactly! Here you brought up yet another example of how Mr. Unz claims support of his theory where there is none. His response is that “… the claims he made in his important article and his astonishing interview are certainly major steps in my direction.”

    Major steps in that direction? Yeah, sure. The recent raise I’ve gotten is a major step in the direction of my becoming a Billionaire.

  222. Ron Unz says:
    @Random Anonymous

    The New York based film critic Pauline Kael famously stated she knew almost no one who voted for Richard Nixon in 1972…Probably she was staggered when Nixon won the election.

    Well, supposedly 90% of American adults have been vaxxed against Covid. And I do know who dominates the remaining 10%, apparently urban blacks and rural white rightwingers, especially the ones who never graduated high school. Plus a few eccentrics on the Internet. Maybe that’s why those friends of mine don’t personally know any anti-vaxxers.

    I’d guess that something like 99% of America’s elites have been vaxxed. So when they all die off from the “clot-shot” you can seize their property.

  223. Ron Unz says:
    @saggy

    But that is not what you are claiming, you’re conflating that with the idea that the US launched a biological attack against China, and that is preposterous.

    Look, you’re a notorious “concern troll” on this website, who regularly rants about the Holocaust.

    However, there’s almost overwhelming evidence that the Covid outbreak was due to an American attack on China (and Iran), as I’ve demonstrated in my long series of articles and explained in my video interviews:

    https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/#podcast-interviews

    And I’m certainly not the only one to notice these facts. That top Russian general just claimed that America was probably responsible for the Covid epidemic, the top Iranian leaders have said the same thing, and Chinese government spokesmen have suggested it also.

    Obviously, you’ll just ignore all of these statements and go back to ranting about the Holocaust…

    • Replies: @saggy
    , @A123
  224. Ron Unz says:
    @Hydronium

    I was horrified to see that the CDC states that 60% of Americans ages 12-17 are fully vaxxed, as well as 30% of 5-11 year olds, and an additional 11 million children under age 5. Efficacy was never demonstrated for the younger groups

    Sure, it seems pretty ridiculous to vaccinate people younger than about 40, let alone children. But the government and the media advocate all sorts of other ridiculous things these days, and people get purged from Twitter if they claim that only women can give birth.

    Anyway, the vaccines supposedly aren’t that effective against Omicron and subsequent variants, but fortunately they aren’t too dangerous, so I don’t think the vaccination issue is that important these days. For example, I never bothered getting any boosters, and lots of other people haven’t either.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  225. Ron Unz says:
    @Blissex

    In New Zealand the excess death rate is *negative*, despite 80% being fully vaccinated, presumably because zero-COVID has also prevented the spread of other diseases (there have been reports that in several countries the ordinary flu simply disappeared).

    Are those NZ negative excess death reports faked to hide the widespread deaths among the 80% of vaccinated people there?
    Why there is no excess death surge during the first half of 2021 when most people in those countries got vaccinated? Are excess death reports in every country faked?

    Yes, New Zealand is the best example, which I’m regularly citing to the crazy anti-vaxxers.

    Most other countries had both substantial rates of early infection and vaxxing, so the anti-vaxxers foolishly claim the excess deaths are due to the latter. However, that doesn’t apply to New Zealand, where infections had been minimal prior to the vaxxing.

    Since excess deaths are negative, that conclusively proves that vaxxing deaths are absolutely negligible, so negligible that they’re completely swamped by things like reductions in the ordinary flu.

    The fanatic anti-vaxxers refuse to recognize this reality, and admit that they’ve fallen for a ridiculous hoax.

    • Replies: @MPJ
  226. @Ron Unz

    In a recent survey taken as part of the 2022 Democracy Perception Index, [a substantial] majority of respondents agreed with the prompt, “My government has done too much to limit people’s freedoms during the coronavirus crisis.” …

    The results are based on population-normalized interviews with 52,785 respondents from 53 countries between March 30 and May 10, 2022. Notably, of the 53 countries surveyed, Taiwan, Sweden, and China were the only three in which a majority didn’t think their governments limited freedom too much…

    As lonely as it may sometimes seem being an anti-lockdown activist, these poll results go to show that it’s not just a handful of us who feel as we do—it’s actually billions.

    https://michaelpsenger.substack.com/p/vast-majority-in-world-say-they-lost

  227. @Ron Unz

    Is the intent of

    “So we have thousands of agitated anti-vaxxers ranting about Bill Gates’ diabolical plot to exterminate the human race and virtually no one anywhere noticing that the chairman of the Covid Commission has declared that Covid probably came from an American biolab and its true origins are being covered up by the US government.”

    to suggest that a “plot to exterminate the human race” is dichotomous to Covid’s “true origins… being covered up by the US government”?

    Perhaps some or many of the “thousands of agitated anti-vaxxers” appreciate that anti-human misanthropic eugenicist psychopaths are more likely to get their way at the global scale by co-opting an anti-human militarist supranational psy-ops and oppression network having an established scaffold of information control, oath-taking/oath-making, secrecy enforcement, and interfacing for public relations, bribery, propaganda, formulaic obfuscation, extortion, assassination, and the preservation of deniability.

    Actors within such a process follow their part within a fascistic formula intending upon the establishment of tyranny and rule by decree, with concurrent nullification of individual agency.

    Fascism is but one expression of the great driver and menace today, which is luciferianism. One needn’t be a spiritualist to conclude that we are beset by spiritualists – agents operating to satisfy motivations which are oath-bound and transcendental in perspective and outlook.

  228. JimDandy says:
    @Hydronium

    I don’t believe that 90% of American adults have gotten a dose. If your position is that the CDC wouldn’t lie, well…

  229. Levtraro says:
    @Ron Unz

    Excellent. Don’t get any booster. I know many people in your age range with the same attitude, just stopped bothering after the 2nd shot.

    But the government and the media advocate all sorts of other ridiculous things these days, and people get purged from Twitter if they claim that only women can give birth.

    Yesterday my grandma told me that the extension and depth of censoring on social media and the uniformity of discourse in MSM is due to fear that a spark may start a large fire any time soon. I disagreed. I told her there is no such risk and that the drive to purge and censor is just one more step in the development of a totalitarian system. Suprisingly, she replied that a totalitarian system, a one-party political system, might be a good thing, that in general multi-party systems are inferior to a good one-party system. I wanted to know why she thinks like that but then she said she was tired and that I should try to work it out myself.

  230. @A123

    It’s better than being a FANATIC racist liar. As far as nassty trolls go, you’re one of a kind. I’ve not blocked you because you are SO poisonous that you deserve reflexive condemnation.

  231. @Wizard of Oz

    I thought that my meaning was quite plain. Green as in envy, old thing.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  232. @mulga mumblebrain

    Still not clear at all . While the late Peter Ryan (I think) introduced me to Helmut S choice’s fascinating “Envy: a Theory of Social Behaviour” decades ago and I was left with no doubt about its potential importance I was happy to note that one if many blessings in life was to be free of that unhappy emotion as I couldn’t help noting that, apart from a couple of devastating blows, my life was and is a lucky one.

    I suspect that a lot of the antisemites on UR are smitten with envy. They certainly sound nasty enough – and that’s without even visiting Israel and seeing them unvarnished😎

  233. ErikSF99 says:

    I am confused: the constant “no alternative media” makes no sense to me. Alex Jones had Prof. Boyle on from the git-go about the virus being a bio-weapon and had him on again and again to explain the bio-weapon. Dr. David Martin has detailed and documented the origins of the bio-weapon again and again–at his website and in all his interviews. Glenn Beck had a special program on it. I cannot think of an alternative news source that has not mentioned it. Does he mean “mainstream-alternative media” like Breitbart or The Rubin Report or The Blaze or Newsmax? I have no idea what they’ve reported.

    As a side note: But even Tucker Carlson interviewed Dr. Li Meng Yan about the funding. Her point-of-view is different: she told Carlson that China would have developed the virus on its own without American funding. One can disagree or not with her: the point is, we know TC is the exception in mainstream media BUT he did report on it.

    Of course, Mr. Unz does not have time to watch the whole darn internet so I can’t fault him at all. Perhaps, though, just as most people still rely on mainstream media, Mr. Unz follows the mainstream of the alternative media. We can’t forget that the same day Trump joined Rumble they changed their rules to restrict criticism of a certain country and group of people. Mr. Unz mentions ” the possibility of successfully circumventing such gatekeepers” referring to mainstream…but Rumble has joined the gatekeepers–albeit, not on the level of actual mainstream media.

    But, is not his anti-antivax position sort of…er…an extremely naive belief in mainstream media and mainstream medical practice? How can Mr. Unz be so upset over the non-coverage (in mainstream media and his choice of alternative media) yet hold himself blind to the massively documented crippling and murderous clot-shots? Amazing.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  234. @MPJ

    The website is the real deal though and for that, we owe him thanks. If he could only be as committed to the pursuit of truth as he is to free speech…

    True words indeed.

    I suspect that Mr. Unz is deeply entrenched in a paradigm that he’s unable to shake. That’s no discredit to him, by the way – the “paradigm” is a genuine psychological trap that’s built into the human psyche, having as much to do with our biology as our intellectual dispositions. I believe it’s intimately related to the hard-wired behaviour associated with any herding species.

    Mr. Unz’ reliance on Globalist-controlled media sources speaks to the inescapable dilemma that binds so many – metophorically trapped in The Matrix.

    Meanwhile, the same old adversarial discourse over the “vaccine” issue persists – with those “Manda-vaxxers” (as A123 calls them) stubbornly waving the most dubious of tenets to substantiate their position while blithely overlooking mountains of accumulating and emphatically contrary data. As Jesus suggested, pointing out the splinter in our eye while neglecting the plank embedded in their own.

    Those are the ones that Mr. Unz has cast his lot with – history will be the final judge, one way or another.

    In any case, I say, let an old man have his fun – the issues facing us all now are rather more existential than scoring points on a web forum or restoring sight to the willingly blind. We are, after all, presumably adults (do bots count?) and ultimately each responsible for their own destiny.

    Those who continue to endorse “vaccines” and lockdowns and “Quarantine Camps” and experimenting on pregnant women, children and infants are welcome to it, but IMO, let’s first see them lead by example. If we’re all going to be frog-marched into the New World Order, let them lead the way.

    Let them show us all how to live on a permanent diet of grubs and liquified corpses, and “own nothing, and be happy”.

    • Replies: @A123
  235. @Ron Unz

    Your 90% number is bogus, obtained through rectal extraction. Even a big company I work with, in which the vax was pushed with threats of coming firings up through the end of ’21, has only 81% vaccinated* – lots of those are compliant office drone types who see the big shots daily and take the woke HR emails seriously. Others, like me, put up a stand, and WON.

    I’d guess that something like 99% of America’s elites have been vaxxed. So when they all die off from the “clot-shot” you can seize their property.

    Can I have your website software? (Remember, I asked first.)

    .

    * That 81% is not “fully vaccinated”, meaning, keeping up with all the boosters. Some have wisened up from experience.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  236. roonaldo says:

    So, the Blissex and Unz tag-team swoon over cherry-picked covid death stats per million with a weasel-worded category of “zero covid at least in part at least for an extended period,” in comment 216.

    Well, Johns Hopkins’s coronavirus.jhu.edu lists mortality statistics per hundred thousand people for nearly every country and one can cherry pick examples of what you could call “no lockdown no hysteria that’ll screw yer brain right up” like India, Egypt, Bangladesh, Kenya, Haiti, Nicaragua, Nigeria, and Tanzania that, adjusted to show per million people, died from covid at rates of about 380, 240, 180, 110, 70, 40, 20, 10, respectively. ‘Splain that to me, Lucy!

    Then, they get all juicy over the miracle of New Zealand with supposedly “negative” excess deaths in #230. But it ain’t all rosy in kiwiville, as NZDSOS.com reveals. This is a group of physicians there raising hell about the excess deaths and serious injuries. Dr. Guy Hatchard shows the graphs and argues for significant, non-covid excess deaths. He calls government obfuscation and inaction there “criminal.”

    In a comment, Mr. Unz says this isn’t an “antivaxxer” website and tells a commenter to bug off. Perhaps he should reread his former contributor Gilad Atzmon’s pieces. Besides, he exposes himself as one of those crazies he detests when he says he doesn’t think kids or those under age 40 merit jabbing, and that he took no boosters–what the hell are you, man!–some kind of crazy, lunatic, stupid, self-hating antivaxxer?

  237. @Achmed E. Newman

    Oops, I shouldn’t have written “your number”. I see that a commenter brought that 90% up first. It’s very doubtful to me.

    To clear it up, at the big corp in question, 19% have gotten no Covid vaccine. Of the 81%, like you, many have not gotten the boosters to be “fully vaccinated”.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  238. @A123

    A123, Mumbledbrain has been pretty coherent on a number of topics. It’s just that you can’t mention ANYTHING bad involving “C” “h” “i” “n” “a”. Mr. MM is a Chinaman living in Australia, and he is rightly pissed that the Aussies that he lives among do not properly cater to and kiss the ass of, the Chinese people gracious enough to live in Australia rather than China.

    Your comments here, along with MPJ’s and a number of others’, have been excellent. Thank you.

    • Thanks: A123, MPJ
  239. @Ron Unz

    Well, supposedly 90% of American adults have been vaxxed against Covid. And I do know who dominates the remaining 10%, apparently urban blacks and rural white rightwingers, especially the ones who never graduated high school. Plus a few eccentrics on the Internet. Maybe that’s why those friends of mine don’t personally know any anti-vaxxers.

    Is that you Tiny Duck? You forgot to add your usual coda about all the white women flocking to black men.

  240. saggy says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    However, there’s almost overwhelming evidence that the Covid outbreak was due to an American attack on China (and Iran), as I’ve demonstrated in my long series of articles and explained in my video interviews:

    You haven’t demonstrated a damn thing and you’re beginning to sound like a crackpot. I don’t really think you believe it, but even if you do believe it, that’s not enough. A preposterous claim can be true, but it requires real hard evidence to prove it, not circumstantial inferences.

    And, I think you may be using ‘concern troll’ incorrectly. I first encountered the term on Moon of Alabama’s blog, and at least there it refers to anyone who doesn’t accept Russian propaganda at face value, and expresses concern that what is happening there could lead to a worldwide disaster.

    And I’m certainly not the only one to notice these facts (an American attack on China (and Iran)). That top Russian general just claimed that America was probably responsible for the Covid epidemic, the top Iranian leaders have said the same thing, and Chinese government spokesmen have suggested it also.

    For crying out loud, I accused you of conflating ‘responsibility for the covid virus’ with an attack on China and you respond by conflating responsibility for the covid virus with an attack on China !

  241. @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Mr. Unz seems to take the position that an evil US government unleashed the virus, but then a benevalent US government quickly developed a vaccine (which has been completely useless, at best) to help the people of the world.

    Covid is Fake so is the Jabs! Best thing happened to mankind, and it will keep on happening until most of the Mammon is destroyed. This doesn’t mean we will be back to riding donkeys and horses.

    This is the only way to defeat the Deceiver and his twelve tribes. The rat race has to be stopped and rapping the environment. The combined good Ethos of Christians-Islamic Ethos are slowly, slowly being introduced.

    Nugent

  242. geokat62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    I’m very glad that you’re willing to take the time to challenge all these silly anti-vaxxers with these important statistics.

    Speaking of important statistics…

    Excerpt from Updated Johns Hopkins Study on Lockdowns Debunks the Fact Checkers:

    Such a standard benefit-cost calculation leads to a strong conclusion: until future research based on credible empirical evidence can prove that lockdowns have large and significant reductions in mortality, lockdowns should be rejected out of hand as a pandemic policy instrument.

    https://brownstone.org/articles/updated-johns-hopkins-study-on-lockdowns-debunks-the-fact-checkers/

  243. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz,

    Your use of language makes it very hard to follow what you are proposing. Take this as logical starting point:

        • An American attack would have required authorization
        • An anti-American action, by anti-American traitors, is inherently anti-American.

    This is how the vast majority of people actually think. Whether you agree or not, you will much more effective if you package your message in this framework that exists and cannot be changed.
    ___

    Here is an exact parallel — Hypothetically — If the WIV lab in Wuhan is the source, will you use the phrase “Chinese Attack” hundreds even thousands of times while knowing that Chairman/President Xi did not authorize an attack?

    I do not think you would.

    I suspect you would rarely or never use the inflammatory and inaccurate phrase “Chinese Attack”. It would unnecessarily create problems for vast numbers of uninvolved Chinese people.
    ____

    You start well with this:

    an unauthorized biowarfare attack has now killed a million Americans.

    Unauthorized theft and use of WMD (biologic) in attempt to start WW III, or any other reason, is an anti-American activity. The anti-American action has killed millions of Americans. While not as clear as it could be, the message works.

    Unfortunately, you follow with this:

    However, there’s almost overwhelming evidence that the Covid outbreak was due to an American attack on China (and Iran),

    It was not authorized. It thus cannot be an American Attack. It simply cannot be.

    What you could have said was:

    there’s almost overwhelming evidence that the Covid outbreak was launched by anti-American traitors attacking America, China, Iran, and every other nation on the planet

    That places focus squarely on the actors you wish to blame. Anti-American NeoConDemocrats who were upset that President Trump wisely refused to go to war despite Khamenei’s provocative behaviour. It is a #NeverTrumpVirus plot to install a DNC War Party administration. And, at some level, it worked.

    In part due to the #NeverTrumpVirus, the War Party illicitly occupies the White House. While less pliable than the anti-American traitors wanted, Not-The-President Biden is spending Billions and Billions of dollars on crazy violent things. For example, the huge flow of money supporting the war between Russia and Ukraine.
    ____

    As long as you keep mislabelling an anti-American operation as an “American Attack”, you will receive at best very limited traction outside of the medium you personally fund. It comes across as “anti-American Americanism”. Or possibly “American anti-Americanism”. Or, some other message damaged and incomprehensible by audience cognitive dissonance.

    If you correctly label the anti-American event as “anti-American”, you greatly increase your potential audience.

    Begin using the hash tag #NeverTrumpVirus and you could get an interview spot on Tucker Carlson’s show. That would likely net 1,000,000+ views in less than week.

    PEACE 😇

  244. ISL says:
    @meamjojo

    Because strike engenders counter-strike. Is your immune system ready?

  245. A123 says: • Website
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Mr. Unz is deeply entrenched in a paradigm that he’s unable to shake. That’s no discredit to him, by the way – the “paradigm” is a genuine psychological trap that’s built into the human psyche, having as much to do with our biology as our intellectual dispositions.

    Many others are also entrenched. The binary sides are *not*:
        — Anti-Vaxx
        — Pro-Vaxx
    That lumps everyone with mild concerns about the jab in the same pool as nutters who claim Bill Gates is injecting us with microchips.

    The two sides with large numbers of people are

        ♦ Vaxx-Realists
        ♦ Manda-vaxxers

    Mr. Unz is a genuine Vaxx-Realist based on his positions #229

    Sure, it seems pretty ridiculous to vaccinate people younger than about 40, let alone children. But the government and the media advocate all sorts of other ridiculous things these days, and people get purged from Twitter if they claim that only women can give birth.

    Anyway, the vaccines supposedly aren’t that effective against Omicron and subsequent variants, but fortunately they aren’t too dangerous, so I don’t think the vaccination issue is that important these days. For example, I never bothered getting any boosters, and lots of other people haven’t either.

    I do not understand why Mr. Unz does not see Manda-vaxx as a dangerous faction:

    — Why waste time on the few who worry about being “chipped” by Bill Gates?
    — Why not focus on the threat posed by BigPharma?

    PEACE 😇

  246. MPJ says:
    @Ron Unz

    The data on New Zealand would like to disagree with your assertion Ron.

    https://repec.its.waikato.ac.nz/wai/econwp/2211.pdf

    Conclusions

    Weekly data on all deaths in New Zealand, from 2011 through the end of March 2022, are used here to calculate excess mortality during the rollout of COVID-19 vaccines. There is a close relationship between booster rollout and rising excess mortality. This relationship was not seen with the rollout of the original protocol vaccine doses. The age groups most likely to use boosters had 7–10 percentage point rises in excess mortality rates as boosters were rolled out while the age group that is mostly too young for boosters saw no rise in excess mortality. Instrumental variables estimates that exploit a plausible source of exogenous variation in the rate of administering booster doses suggest 16 excess deaths per 100,000 booster doses given, amounting to over 400 excess deaths from New Zealand’s booster rollout. Value of statistical life of these excess deaths is over $1.6 billion. Even a small fraction of this (say, one percent) would have been sufficient to fund robust evidence on the impacts of rolling out COVID-19 booster vaccines.

  247. Ron Unz says:
    @ErikSF99

    I am confused: the constant “no alternative media” makes no sense to me. Alex Jones had Prof. Boyle on from the git-go about the virus being a bio-weapon and had him on again and again to explain the bio-weapon…But even Tucker Carlson interviewed Dr. Li Meng Yan about the funding.

    Sorry for the confusion. If you read my articles, you’d know I emphasized that the Internet was filled with claims that Covid was a bioweapon from almost the moment the outbreak reached the news media in mid-January 2019, and that sort of coverage has continued, certainly including conspiracy-activists like Alex Jones and rightwingers like Tucker Carlson. In fact, prominent members of the Trump administration said or at least strongly implied that same thing.

    https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/

    However, all those individuals were talking about Covid being a Chinese bioweapon, accidentally released in Wuhan. That’s just total nonsense, while there’s strong almost overwhelming evidence that Covid was actually an American bioweapon, used to attack China (and Iran). That’s also what the Russian, Iranian, and Chinese governments have been saying or at least suggesting.

    However, aside from myself, virtually no one else in the Western media has been making that obvious point. If you can find examples in the alternative media, please pass them along.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Iris
    , @Rumpelstiltskin
  248. Ron Unz says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Oops, I shouldn’t have written “your number”. I see that a commenter brought that 90% up first. It’s very doubtful to me.

    Well, according to that Census report I linked upthread, 85% of American adults had gotten a Covid shot by the end of last year, and an anti-vaxxer says the current figure is over 90%. The same report I cited says blacks and high-school dropouts are the groups least likely to be vaxxed. Meanwhile, everyone at companies like Goldman Sachs are 100% vaxxed by corporate requirement.

    This is not an vaxxing article or a vaxxing discussion, I don’t have any interest in the vaxxing issue one way or the other, but those are the official statistics.

    I think I’ll keep an eye on the comments on this thread and just trash any subsequent anti-vaxxing nonsense. Maybe once I’ve trashed enough of your comments, all you stupid anti-vaxxers will relocate to a different website focused on vaxxing.

  249. Blissex says:
    @Ron Unz

    «very glad that you’re willing to take the time»

    Thanks for the appreciation, but I already did so: in my previous comment I put in links to some graphs that I took quite some time to curate to show various differences (from OurWorldInData.com which has a pretty comprehensive COVID stats grapher)
    The data I put in as text were copied from one of those graphs.

    «all these silly anti-vaxxers with these important statistics»

    I believe most anti-vaxxers are silly too, but also that there is a kernel of truth in what they think enlarged to disproportionate and ridiculous extremes; here I can summarise something of what I wrote in various previous posts:

    * Mass deploying a less thoroughly mass-tested technology like mRNA was quite a gamble, but fortunately it did work (I got myself mRNA vaccinated, but “cowardly” some months after seeing a few millions got it without mass issues).

    * Never mind the active thing itself, even just the solution in which it is dissolved can cause at least allergic reactions in some small percentage of the vaccinated. There is no absolutely safe medication, people can even die of “water poisoning”.

    * COVID-Sars-2 vaccines are not fully effective, and do not seem to reduce transmission significantly (I though they would reduce it), so zero-COVID should still be used.

    * I think that there was a disgusting international campaign to push USA-marketed vaccines in “Washington Consensus” countries, especially Pfizer for corrupt reasons.

    * Never mind the campaign this site has highlighted to ignore the possibility that the epicentre was in Wuhan because of economic biowarfare; which ended up hitting USA health and GDP far more than either China, because the latter chose much more effective “public health” approaches).

    * There is also an ongoing and even more disgusting international campaign to denigrate zero-COVID approaches, I think to cover the reckless culpability of those (neoliberal, “public health management is collectivism”) governments that did not adopt it.

    I recently found for the UK an interesting and very serious additional small study on excess deaths (it also uses OurWorldInData.com) with very enlightening graphs, where it shows that currently most excess deaths in the UK seem attributable to a partial collapse of the NHS due to the overloading and fatigue from the epidemic in the past 2 years, originally in the FT:

    In particular these graphs:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FazlNKCXwAEc9Fl?format=jpg
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FazmEdgX0AA77Zf?format=jpg

  250. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Despite lengthy articles, it is 100% proven it is neither PRC/Xi or a US/Trump bio weapon. Use of WMD’s must be authorized.

    Therefore the most likely scenario is that the release is simultaneously both anti-American and anti-Chinese.
    ___

    What could be done in Fort Detrick that could not be done in WIV?

    -1A- Did WIV have the facilities? — YES — It is a French designed and co built BSL 4 laboratory.

    -1B- Did WIV have the technical information? — YES — The key gene sequence existed in a patent. Anyone in the virus editing field could have read the details.

    -1C- Did WIV have coronavirus in hand? — YES — Regardless of contract size the EcoHealth Alliance work proves that WIV had coronavirus.

    -1D- Would potential conspirators know where in WIV to find mutated coronavirus? — YES — If EcoHealth is a cover for rogue anti-American traitors, that would have given them details about the specific section of WIV working on coronavirus projects.

    Any laboratory experimenting on coronavirus could do this work. There is nothing that conclusively fingers Fort Detrick. Which conspiracy is more likely, the material was stolen from:
        • WIV and released in Wuhan?
        • Fort Detrick and a complex scheme transported it to China?
    ___

    Why insist that the source *must* be a US lab? It is not even critical to the core point of your conspiracy theory.

    Perhaps deranged #NeverTrump operatives funded and organized the theft from WIV. It would take immensely unhinged, mouth frothing, anti-American hatred, to release COVID-19 knowing that the entire world would suffer.

    Blaming anti-American traitors is a reasonable assumption. However, their nefarious conspiracy would be vastly simpler if they acquired the material from WIV.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  251. geokat62 says:
    @Mehen

    • Thanks: Mehen
  252. Iris says:
    @Ron Unz

    That’s just total nonsense, while there’s strong almost overwhelming evidence that Covid was actually an American bioweapon, used to attack China

    “Le Monde Diplomatique” is a decades-old staple of France’s intellectual journalism, definitely and by very far the most respected news review because it seems to survive with almost no advertising and manages to keep a relatively balanced stand on difficult topics all other newspapers now avoid altogether.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Monde_diplomatique

    In this month’s issue, there is a paper by a Chinese lady novelist, called Fang Fang, who lives in Wuhan and was there during the pandemic.
    She wrote a diary, one page everyday, throughout the pandemic, now made as a book and published in French.
    https://www.babelio.com/livres/Fang-Wuhan-ville-close/1255667

    The subject of her “Monde Diplomatique” article seemed really promising.

    Unfortunately, she just whinges about how cruel it was to impose a 65 days lockdown in Wuhan, and how the Chinese authorities must pay for all the cruel and untimely Covid deaths.
    Which made me roll my eyes in disbelief, because the situation in Europe was hundred of times worse, from all aspects of the pandemic. So I will not be buying her book.

    However, she mentions something noticeable in the article: according to the rumours shared between its inhabitants at the time, when the epidemic started, the city of Wuhan got besieged by military units of biowarfare defence:

    selon la rumeur, Wuhan était alors encerclée par des unités militaires de défense biochimique

    https://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/2022/08/FANG/64957

  253. @Ron Unz

    If I may boldly say so, Mr. Unz, You started it!.

    You’ve got this article about a different subject. (I happen to not agree and also think it’s NOT the biggest issue of the whole Covid mess.) However, you put this in:

    I speculated that the huge, sudden rise of a massive anti-vaxxing movement in America might be an example of this. A couple of years ago, vaccine issues were almost invisible, but soon after questions arose regarding the true origins of the Covid virus, the vaccination controversy moved to the absolute center stage of American public life, completely dominating the thoughts of most of those willing to challenge official orthodoxy on any other matter.

    That’s begging for an explanation, which I gave you already here. My very specific answer to your wonderment of how this movement came out of nowhere was this:

    What in the hell is so hard to understand about that? Rather than being some conspiracy chaff per your theory of conspiracies, this anti-Covid-vax movement has coalesced due to lots of people simply NOT wanting to take the vax and resisting being force[d] to. Those of us who kept fighting have been successful not only resisting taking it, but in stopping the calls for these mandatory “vaccines”.

    The strange thing is that not many of whom you call “anti-vaxxers” differ much from your views on the matter.

    You, also, don’t think it should be mandatory. You, also, don’t think it’s a good idea for children to take this. In fact you mentioned anyone under 40. I would guess the risk/benefit is too high for almost anyone at this point with the Omicron being a nothingburger, but there need be no argument, so long as it’s not made mandatory. Don’t you understand that compliance has been pushed hard by the entire Establishment, government (the military, for example), universities, big corporations, etc.?

    As a result, I suspect that a thousand times as much time and effort has recently been devoted to debating the safety and efficacy of Covid vaccines than to investigating the true origins of the disease that made them necessary.

    (“Necessary”?… BS). We’ve all got different priorities. Most Americans are rightly more concerned about their health and how the Covid PanicFest was used to help destroy society rather than Whodunnit?, I’m sorry to tell you.

    • Replies: @MPJ
  254. Let’s get ONE thing straight in order to stop the BS and endless tail chasing……..There is NO damn VIRUS! This has all been refuted by Lanka, Kaufman, Cowan, Bailey, and others. Virology is a myth and another ‘Fear Tool’ to be used by Our Masters whenever they like …… and the SHEEP always respond as trained and expected, Certainly, there is some type of poison or toxin released by these satanic AAA-holes but the ‘Virus’ is the VACCINE. Time to grow up……..and put an end to this evil nonsense!

  255. MPJ says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Thank you. He is very particular about how he wants this plandemic to play out, isn’t he. He wants recognition for his detective work but doesn’t want to deal with any of the unsavory aspects of the crisis.

    Earth to Ron, this isn’t a video game, this is real.

    And here’s the hard data to refute his “vaccines are safe” nonsense. Since I know you’re doing to at least look at the data but not talk about it because it goes against your “safe and effective”narrative, skip to 4:05 for the hard data if you don’t want to hear the personal stories.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  256. @Ron Unz

    Now, as related to your long investigation into Who Done it?: I appreciate all you’ve done politically (the end of bilingual ed in California) and with your well-working free-speech platform here. I think you have the best of intentions in your writing. I’ve read some of your American Pravda articles, especially agreeing with the writing about the Vietnam MIA’s and John McCain, but also the stuff about the real story of the American entry into WWI and WWII,, etc.

    However, as Ultrafart the Brave wrote here, I think this latest theory is one you are committed to, damn the lack of hard evidence and damn the relative unimportance. It’s an “in for a penny, in for a pound” thing for you by this point.

    I really wish you were on the side of the American people on this one, who have been burdened with additional Totalitarianism due to the huge ginned-up PanicFest that came with this just another bad virus out of the Orient. These come about every decade or so, but the media hasn’t before had the tools for uber-saturation of the narrative. You are one that unfortunately seems to be buying the Lyin’ Press narrative too.

    We appreciate your site and your work no matter what, but we could really use you in this fight against what may end up being worse than the Bolshevik takeover of Russia or Mao’s takeover of China. That’s the fight. We’re involved. You’ve been sidetracked and have lost the big picture on this, a REAL TIME piece of future history.

    It’s not nearly a time to be as optimistic as it was when Jesus Jones came out with this great tune. We’re on the other end of it now.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  257. @A123

    And if one has to give a 2 per cent weight to the Bolton-Pompeo rogue actors thesis why not 4 per cent to the money motive of a Chinese priceling running a hedge fund and some of his mates with STEM degrees?

    • Replies: @A B Coreopsis
  258. Ron Unz says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    who have been burdened with additional Totalitarianism due to the huge ginned-up PanicFest that came with this just another bad virus out of the Orient. These come about every decade or so

    Look, this “bad virus” has killed around 18 million people worldwide, including well over a million Americans. No disease outbreak remotely this serious has happened in the world since the Spanish Flu about a century ago. Some people bring up the Hong Kong Flu back in 1968, but the official estimates are that it only killed 1-4 million people, so this was roughly an order-of-magnitude worse.

    Indeed, if the very mild Omicron strain hadn’t suddenly appeared, total deaths would surely now be many millions higher.

    In fact, I saw some wild speculation somewhere that the Omicron strain might have actually been bioengineered to be ultra-infectious but ultra-mild so as to wind down the Covid epidemic despite the resistance to the vaccines.

    There really seems a huge overlap between the Flu Hoaxers and the anti-Vaxxers…

    Incidentally, Jeffrey Sachs was just interviewed a few days ago on RFK Jr.’s podcast and I thought he did an excellent job of discussing these Covid origin issues:

  259. @cohen

    Why do you think the size of the covid virus is important when it does not tend to exist on its own? Instead it is usually suspended in aerosols – tiny drops of liquid which people breath out – thus making it far bigger, and catchable by masks.

  260. @Drive-by poster

    Seems to me the efforts of the media liars have been very successful. For example, for the last six months about 1/5 of Russia’s soldiers have been engaged in carefully grinding down the armed forces of what was the second largest army in Europe. The Russians have won almost every single day, almost always gaining ground, with greatly superior kill ratios of something like 5 to 1 (more than that nowadays, probably). And yet, until very recently, the vast majority of Western people believed Ukraine was winning, or at the very least could win – in total defiance of the real-world situation. Probably they still nearly all believe Putin is evil, and Ukraine is a free and democratic country (none of which has ever been true).

    The only reason some in the West now belatedly realise the Ukrainians may lose is because Western media decided to insert a little reality here and there, and they did that only because Ukraine is close to military collapse in the Donbas and Western MSM doubt their ability to spin complete defeat in the Donbas into a victory. In other words, it seems the Western public will believe more or less anything if you present it in the traditional good-guy/bad-guy format, and the bad guy is someone they didn’t like to begin with.

  261. Ron Unz says:

    Stepping back a bit, let’s review the origins of the Covid epidemic:

    Leaving aside the Flu Hoaxers, there are three possibilities:

    (1) The virus is natural.

    (2) The virus was bioengineered and accidentally released, presumably by the Wuhan lab.

    (3) The virus was deliberately released, i.e. the epidemic was due to a biowarfare attack.

    Theory (1) was widely promoted by the scientific/media establishment, but as Nicholas Wade’s seminal article more than a year ago demonstrated, there’s absolutely no evidence for it and a great deal of evidence against it. In his articles and interviews, Jeffrey Sachs notes that all the experts early on said that the virus looked artificial, but then “coordinated” their positions to say it was natural. As the chairman of the Covid Commission, he encountered a massive cover-up of these facts. Just listen to his RFK interview.

    So we’re probably down to (2) and (3). The large Pekar research team is the most authoritative in analyzing the outbreak, and their study published earlier this year found that the Wuhan outbreak had absolutely no geographical connection with the Wuhan lab and started on the other side of the huge city. If there were an accidental lab-leak in the Bronx, we wouldn’t expect the resulting epidemic to be centered in Coney Island. The best Western eyewitness is Australian virologist Danielle Anderson, who was working at the Wuhan lab, and she said she saw no indications of a lab-leak. There’s basically ZERO evidence of a lab-leak. Note that Sachs never once suggests a lab-leak in his interview.

    So we’re down to (3), a deliberate biowarfare attack that has killed 18 million people and entirely disrupted the world. So who did it and why?

    Well, which countries were initially hit? China and Iran. Hmmmmm…

    Who apparently knew about the attack ahead of time? Well, Robert Kadlec, America’s top biowarfare expert, spent eight months running the Crimson Contagion exercise to prepare America against a dangerous respiratory virus that might suddenly appear in China, an exercise that ended just a few weeks before the Covid virus suddenly appeared in Wuhan. A secret DIA report described a potentially “cataclysmic” disease outbreak in Wuhan several weeks before it actually began. Hmmmm…

    The governmental and military leaders of Russia, Iran, and China all say they strongly suspect that Covid was an American virus, deliberately released. Hmmmmm…

    Naturally, there are all sorts of different scenarios. Upthread, WoZ suggests that Covid was deliberately released in Wuhan by Chinese businessmen in hopes of manipulating the stock market, then just randomly jumped 3500 miles to also infect Iran’s top political and religious leadership just after America had assassinated Iran’s top military leader. This is certainly possible, but seems about as likely as WoZ’s other theory that both JFK and RFK were accidentally shot and killed by their own bodyguards.

    If my version of (3) is correct, it’s arguably one of the biggest stories in the history of the world, and I find it very odd that despite the enormous amount of evidence, I’m still just about the only person anywhere advocating it. Privately, quite a few smart people I know think I’m probably correct, but nobody will say anything. Even everyone on the alt-media fringe is too scared.

    That’s why I don’t want this comment-thread cluttered up with anti-vaxxing nonsense.

    • Agree: Levtraro
    • Replies: @Chebyshev
    , @A123
    , @Wizard of Oz
  262. JamesinNM says:

    Dr David E Martin’s research suggests a multinational racketeering program to concurrently develop and use Covid and the associated vaccines as bioweapons for numerous political and economic reasons: crimes against humanity /genocide.

  263. geokat62 says:

    The “safe and effective” narrative is falling apart
    Here is my list of over 50 leading indicators that the momentum is moving in our favor. I’d be surprised if the narrative doesn’t fall apart soon. It’s now unravelling quickly in the UK.

    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/the-safe-and-effective-narrative

    • Thanks: roonaldo
  264. geokat62 says:

  265. @Wizard of Oz

    It’s sad that someone with your profound analytical brilliance wasn’t tapped for a higher purpose in life.

    Do you know how venture funds there in China? Do you think some of them have people are as highly connected to powerful people as, say, Hunter Biden is to Joe Biden?

    And a Chinese person with a STEM degree….why that’s a clear smoking gun, idinit?

    Let me introduce you to a technical term for brilliant people like you: Eselkopf.

  266. @Ron Unz

    Indeed, if the very mild Omicron strain hadn’t suddenly appeared, total deaths would surely now be many millions higher.

    What do you mean “suddenly appeared”? It’s just a mutation of the original. This is what viruses do. Note that nobody is making a fuss of one of the Swine Flu’s or the H1N1 anymore. Do you think they were suddenly “defeated”? Nah, whatever they mutated to are less deadly, so it’s “the flu, bro.”

    In fact, I saw some wild speculation somewhere that the Omicron strain might have actually been bioengineered to be ultra-infectious but ultra-mild so as to wind down the Covid epidemic despite the resistance to the vaccines.

    Or, as my common sense would have no need to wildly speculate, “it’s just the flu, bro”, and that’s how viruses operate.

    Anyway, thanks for the reply, Mr. Unz.

  267. Chebyshev says:
    @Ron Unz

    No one can refute your theory, hence the cluttering up with anti-vaxx nonsense.

    But it’s odd that no other prominent person in the alternative media is advocating your theory. They can’t all lack critical thinking skills and/or be susceptible to cognitive infiltration, can they?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Ron Unz
  268. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz,

    This is extraordinarily long form for me. Please excuse any typing, grammar, or formatting mistakes. There are bound to be some.
    ___

    There is so much evidence pointing to genetic sequences that are highly unlikely to appear in nature, few are still pushing natural sources. Let us make the sound assumption that it has a laboratory origin.

    (2) The virus was bioengineered and accidentally released, presumably by the Wuhan lab.

    (3) The virus was deliberately released, i.e. the epidemic was due to a biowarfare attack.

    It is cleaner to start with potential sources and then analyze cases for that origin. This gives us four primary options:

    2 WIV source
    –2A– Accident or “Leak”
    –2B– Criminal conspiracy (non political)
    –2C– Political conspiracy / anti-American, anti-China, or both

    3 Fort Detrick source (or other US)
    –3A & 3B– Highly Unlikely — Accident or crime
    –3C– Political, anti-American, conspiracy

    4 Red Herrings. Counters to certain assertions that do not hold up to scrutiny.
    _____

    their study published earlier this year found that the Wuhan outbreak had absolutely no geographical connection with the Wuhan lab and started on the other side of the huge city.

    –2A– WIV “Leak”

    COVID-19 has a very unusual characteristic. It turns young & healthy individuals into asymptomatic carriers. It would not be surprising to find the virus away from the “Leak”. Instead the epicenter would be concentrations of the elderly and immune challenged.

    Crossing the entire city is genuinely problematic, but not inherently disqualifying. Demographic information would be required to determine if the pattern aligns to groups most prone to symptomatic patients.

    _______________________________________

    So we’re down to (3), a deliberate biowarfare attack that has killed 18 million people and entirely disrupted the world.

    So who did it and why?

    This assumption is premature. We are down to a much broader set of potential events. The material was intentionally (& probably illegally) removed from a laboratory.

    Who did it and why? — These are excellent questions.

    –2B– WIV “Crime”

    Simpler conspiracies are much more probable than complex ones. Fewer people is almost always better.

    Who did it • It only takes two or three people for a “crime”. Someone in security to deal with cameras and records. One or two people on the floor to move the material.

    Why? • Money is most likely reason. The participants would likely be the lowest paid, non-scientists at WIV. Not understanding what was stolen, is also a sound connection to losing control of the material after it left the laboratory.

    WoZ suggests that Covid was deliberately released in Wuhan by Chinese businessmen in hopes of manipulating the stock market

    The WoZ version of 2B is solid on funding, but a bit more complex in terms of execution. It requires inclusion of a scientist who could make a selection on what to steal. Such a person would have much better understanding of the disease outcome. The plan requires viciously blackmailing a single person while the other onsite conspirators would be blissfully ignorant until it was too late.
    ___

    –2C– WIV “Conspiracy”

    Who did it • The mechanics and number of people are similar to 2B. However a political complaint shared by PhD’s would make it vastly easier to form a cohesive group of conspirators with sufficient understanding to beat lab security.

    Why? • Possibly, the CCP’s systematic destruction of Hong Kong’s economy after reunification? Even those not passionate about HK would be recruitable on the basis “The CCP harms they proletariat. They are bourgeoisie traitors, betrayers of the revolution”. The number of Chinese people who despise the CCP is quite lengthy.

    The other spin on 2C is that ultimate funders were *anti-American traitors*, though that detail was not shared with the WIV staff that compromised the laboratory. More deception, bribery, and blackmail would be required on the ground, but it avoids an extremely complex chain of events required by 3C.
    _____

    –3C– Fort Detrick “Conspiracy”

    Who did it • The sheer number of conspirators is quite large. There are at least three core concepts requiring different competencies:

    -i- Material recovery from Fort Detrick
    -ii- Weaponization of the virus for safe international transport and reliable release
    -iii- Action Team(s) to handle:
        — — US to China
        — — Sneaking a suspicious device through customs
        — — China border to Wuhan
        — — Wuhan release operations
    To avoid losing everything at the last second, there would likely be multiple action teams.

    The cells would be isolated, requiring a core of ideologically pure *anti-American traitors*, with fanatic loyalty to the #NeverTrump cause. This core would control funding and provide hand offs between the cells.

    Why? • This is where 3C has huge problems. A scheme by *anti-American traitors* should have no requirement for international transportation.

    › If the goal is undermining Trump, why not target domestic locations known to attract MAGA crowds?
    › If the goal is provoking US-China conflict with the Wuhan release, why not opt for 2C stealing a contagion from WIV?

    Any group able and willing to conduct 3C has vastly easier, cheaper, safer, faster, better options to achieve their goals. The “Fort Detrick as source” scenario is exceedingly improbable.
    ____

    RED HERRINGS

    What nations dislike the U.S., are willing to lie, and have control of media outlets to spread propaganda? The most likely nations that spring to mind are North Korea, China, Iran, and Russia. Three of these are countries quoted as accusing the U.S. Their self serving statements are dubious at best.

    which countries were initially hit? China and Iran. Hmmmmm…

    randomly jumped 3500 miles to also infect Iran’s top political and religious leadership

    As I mentioned earlier COVID has a truly unique feature. The young and healthy can be infected and serve as asymptomatic carriers.

    China saw the problems from USSR slowly fading geriatric leadership. In response they have been actively pushing for middle aged & healthier top level leadership. At the same time, Iran is still in a “revolutionary” mode. Many slots are filled with older ideologues.

    Iran’s #1 diplomatic partner is China. Younger Chinese diplomats accidentally contaminating their Iranian counterparts is wholly unsurprising. It may not be the diplomats themselves, asymptomatic carriers could be the even younger & healthier security entourage.

    America’s top biowarfare expert, spent eight months running the Crimson Contagion exercise to prepare America against a dangerous respiratory virus that might suddenly appear in China,

    America ran a drill based on SARS1. There is nothing suspicious about running a drill on the planet’s most recent bio crisis.

    A secret DIA report described a potentially “cataclysmic” disease outbreak in Wuhan several weeks before it actually began. Hmmmm…

    The #1 source for the report is ABC News. Why is anything from ABC believed… Ever? There is one confirmation from Israeli media, but they are not in the habit of burning their own security.

    NATO is notoriously insecure on some issues. It seems unlikely that DIA, would circulate anything important that widely. Without a full release of the document there is no way to confirm its authenticity. Chances of this being an actual DIA product are slim to none.

    If my version of (3) is correct, it’s arguably one of the biggest stories in the history of the world, and I find it very odd that despite the enormous amount of evidence, I’m still just about the only person anywhere advocating it. Privately, quite a few smart people I know think I’m probably correct, but nobody will say anything.

    Media outlets do not like setting themselves up for ridicule. Your insistence on using the phrase “American Attack” makes the entire item untouchable for redistribution. It immediately parses out as parody fodder:

    — Anti-American “American Attack” by Traitors to America —

    Everyone, including yourself, agrees that this was not a Trump/USA authorized WMD (biologic) first strike. The pejorative phrase “American Attack” is highly misleading and a WW III level inflammatory accusation.

    Simply repackaging the idea as explicitly *anti-American*, which is 100% accurate, and calling out anti-American traitors would make your idea much more likely to obtain coverage.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  269. @Ron Unz

    No wonder your well connected friends humour uou with non committal pseudo supportive responses as they are saddened by your becoming a stubborn obsessive. Adding to what I can now only call lies about my supposed advocacy of theories about the JFK and RFK murders you now misrepresent the way in which I brought up the theoretical possibility that a certain imagined financial motive might have 4 [from memory] per cent probability if your Pompeu-Bolton rogue act has ors theory was 2% probable.

    Your failure to follow the line my comments have frequently opened up over several years, namely to question the source of cover up and figure out why it is being perpetuated has left you hanging on ridiculously to your rogue actors fantasy. Yet you should have been saved by open minded listening to that excellent RFK Jr – Jeffrey Sachs conversation that you linked. That the work at the Wuhan lab was being done at US taxpayers’ expense to further the work of Fauci and friends that had been closed down in the US by Obama was demonstrably a motive for guilty obfuscation and confected lies. Nothing can be made of Sachs not referring to a lab leak; or if there is at what point for what reason should Sachs have suggested it? All Sachs has given you is that the Covid 19 virus was likely to have been in the WIV and quite likely to have been created there. And if the question is then how it spread from WIV and by whom you have made almost no case for preferring one way it got out over another, whether the wet market was involved, whether it was deliberate, and what the motive was if deliberate. Why would you exclude any number of Chinese or American speculators and their friends from the conspiracy?

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  270. geokat62 says:

    Unvaccinated Novak Djokovic out of U.S. Open, can’t travel to America

    https://www.cbc.ca/sports/tennis/unvaccinated-novak-djokovic-to-miss-us-open-1.6561792

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  271. Thank you, Ron, for your excellently programmed and nigh glitch-free website, you’ve collected a lot of fascinating content here, growing by the hour. I calculate I’ve spent a solid 83 days of my earthly existence trawling and trolling Unz Review.

  272. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    what I can now only call lies about my supposed advocacy of theories about the JFK and RFK murders

    I’ve always regarded you as rather dim-witted and gullible, but not dishonest. So your repeated accusations about my alleged “lies” finally prompted me to spend a few minutes tracking down some of your previous comments promoting those ridiculous theories that both JFK and RFK had been accidentally shot and killed by their own bodyguards.

    Naturally enough, my memory was faulty. I’d thought you’d only had promoted those theories in 5-6 comments over the last year, but instead it was more like 20-30 comments going back over four years. Even elderly dimwits shouldn’t think they can get away with calling me a “liar” without a proper response on my part.

    Here are just a few of your past comments, with plenty of additional ones after the MORE tag. I’m only including a total of 10, but could easily have doubled or even tripled that number, and in the future I can just link to this comment when you accuse me of being a liar.

    (1) https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-anne-frank-sirhan-sirhan-and-aids/?showcomments#comment-5165543

    The whole point of interest was that if the incompetence or dishonesty of the Warren Commission shrieked “cover up” you would certainly have found reason for a cover up if a Secret Service man in the car behind had accidentally fired a shot which killed JFK.

    (2) https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-jfk-assassination-part-ii-who-did-it/?showcomments#comment-4343756

    I’ve no favourite theory though I wouldn’t be totally surprised if most of the cover up or appearance of it resulted from an accidental shot from a secret service man being the one that killed JFK.

    (3) https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-anne-frank-sirhan-sirhan-and-aids/?showcomments#comment-5160940

    I did note that the JFK killing could have explained a cover up if the quite well worked out theory of a retired Australian policeman, based on someone else’s suggestion, was true.

    [MORE]

    (4) https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-how-the-cia-invented-conspiracy-theories/?showcomments#comment-1557950

    What do you make of the update by Colin McLaren on the humanly plausible conspiracy theory that the bullet which killed Kennedy was fired accidentally by a Secret Service man standing in the car behind? Are there any knock down arguments against it? Or big holes?

    (5) https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-jfk-assassination-part-i-what-happened/?showcomments#comment-2383519

    Nobody makes a film like the Colin McLaren one if there is a photo which clearly shows the agent didn’t do it.

    (6) https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-jfk-assassination-part-i-what-happened/?showcomments#comment-2398369

    Replying to your last paragraph I suggest your assumptions and question are wrong. Suppose George Hickey died and one of the tiny handfull of people who were convinced that he had accidentally fired the fatal bullet said “now we can tell the true story” how would you go about convincing the management (or Deep State if you like) that there was any good reason to say anything. Apart from anything else it is less likely that the story would have been accepted than that another round of conspiracy theories would be launched.

    (7) https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-jfk-assassination-part-i-what-happened/?showcomments#comment-2400085

    See the documentary “JFK: The Smoking Gun” based on the theory first (I think) advanced in the book “Mortal Error: The Shot That Killed JFK,” by Bonar Menninger.

    Shame, guilt and embarrassment are the only things that could drive the Secret Service to cover up and destroy evidence.

    Yes it has a nice Occamish flavour to it.

    (8) https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-anne-frank-sirhan-sirhan-and-aids/?showcomments#comment-5161379

    On the JFK shooting did you ever watch the documentary of the retired Australian policeman’s theory and his testing of it? Did you immediately see it as flawed? (I say it was certainly not obvious, subject to someone proving that it was).

    You seem embarrassed at your inability to show that my question about shooting by Eugene Cesar was not a reasonable one. And you have a big problem explaining why local police and prosecutors would cover up for him if

    1. They had even a hint that he deliberately killed RFK

    2.They could not, in good conscience, attribute the tragedy to Sirhan Sirhan. (If he had been hypnotised why would they suspect that?). Even if the bullets from SS’s gun that struck Kennedy hadn’t been the proximate cause of death the offences for which they would be able to have him convicted would have put him away for a very long time, so the locals could honestly enough claim that it was in the public interest not to complicate the case.

    3.They we concerned that publicising Eugene Cesar’s fatal error would lead to rich elderly cranks promoting conspiracy theories with a nation shaking impact.

    (9) https://www.unz.com/kbarrett/alan-israel-did-9-11-sabrosky-most-censored-man-in-america/?showcomments#comment-3118438

    Likewise, you even mistake the way I referred to McLaren et als, theory about the head shot from the Secret Service man. I merely observed (a) that I hadn’t come across any dismissal of its physical possibility, and that, *if* you wanted a conspiracy you could believe in, and a reason for some pretty odd behaviour by the Secret Service, this possible one had the advantage that you didn’t even have to postulate wickedness to understand why it might have been covered up.

    (10) https://www.unz.com/kbarrett/covid-19-bio-attack-smoking-gun-video-with-ron-unz/#comment-5184111

    I merely applied Occam’s Razor to see if a less complicated explanation might fit. So I asked if there was a problem about Caesar having fired the fatal shot but its being an accident caused by Srhan Sirhan’s bullets having made RFK fall backwards and sideways.

    I also located the stupid video on Youtube claiming that JFK had been accidentally shot and killed by one of his Secret Service agents, the video that you had endlessly pestered me to watch. I didn’t watch it and certainly won’t, but here it is for anyone so interested. Despite the explosive content, after four years, it’s only been viewed 44K times:

  273. @Chebyshev

    No one can eefute you theory”

    On balance I don’t think that you would affirm that in that simple form. Nonetheless I invite you to tell us what would count as a refutation of Ron’s theory. Enough to show that his “smoking gun” the supposed Medical Intelligence report that cane to Ron’s attention about the beginning of April 2020 did not exist? And? Or?

    • Replies: @Chebyshev
  274. Mehen says:

    How strange.

    [MORE]

    I will keep saying this until someone pays attention: NO ONE EXPECTED DEATHS TO REMAIN ABOVE NORMAL ONCE COVID DEATHS FELL.

    In fact, demographers and scientists generally assumed the opposite would occur. Covid deaths typically occur in people near the end of their lives, either from advanced age, morbid obesity, or other severe comorbidities. So demographic experts generally imagined deaths would run below average for months or years after Covid ended or nearly nearly ended.

    Instead the opposite has occurred.

    Worse, the most pronounced change (compared to the expected number of deaths) is occurring in teenagers and adults under 50, who – in Europe, anyway – hardly had any extra deaths from Covid or during the 2020 or the first half of 2021.

    The second chart above shows this clearly; deaths in people under 15 were below normal in Europe until about a year ago. Since then they have been well above normal. For Europeans 15-44, the trend is even clearer and more striking.

    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/another-week-with-deaths-far-above

    • Thanks: roonaldo
  275. @geokat62

    That’s just as well, GeoKat. Part of the excitement of top-level sports these day is seeing guys drop dead in mid-play. This guy would just bore us with hard serves, slams at the net and all that…

    • LOL: geokat62
    • Replies: @A123
  276. A123 says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Pshaw…. Sports…

    Game shows are where the action is at. Jump to 2:00 for the critical bit.

    PEACE 😇

  277. Chebyshev says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Nonetheless I invite you to tell us what would count as a refutation of Ron’s theory. Enough to show that his “smoking gun” the supposed Medical Intelligence report that cane to Ron’s attention about the beginning of April 2020 did not exist? And? Or?

    I think in order to refute his theory, you’d have to show that the things that seem to only make sense if the virus was an American bioweapon actually make sense in the lab leak scenario. So yes, you’d have to show that the U.S. intelligence report, which was written before anyone had been infected with Covid, didn’t exist. There has to be an explanation of how the virus could’ve first spread in Wuhan the way it did assuming it started out in the virology institute, and also some plausible explanation for Qom having one of the very first outbreaks.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Wizard of Oz
  278. @Ron Unz

    LSince you make my point in the clearest possible way by citing as your first three quotes my reference to its being a logical, if not actual, reason for a cover up without horrendous implications I have to withdraw my word “lies” and replace it with “failure of intellect”. I’ll keep this short so that it leaves time for anyone concerned to check the record for themselves.They will I am sure not find “advocate” as a generally appropriate word and, indeed,discover that you have brought up the subject of accidental shootings more often than I – my alleged advocacy simply being responses to your errors of memory.

    BTW did you ever respond to the Commenter who showed in detail the case for saying that my glancing reference to the possibility that RFK was killed by a bullet from a security guard didn’t go far enough but that it was clear that it was a bullet from the guard hit Kennedy’s head?

  279. A123 says: • Website
    @Chebyshev

    I covered all of your points here:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/challenging-americas-lords-of-illusion-with-a-million-contrary-rumble-views/#comment-5511391

    actually make sense in the lab leak scenario

    WoZ is not suggesting a leak. He is suggesting a crime. See 2B.

    show that the U.S. intelligence report, which was written before anyone had been infected with Covid, didn’t exist

    ABC say many things that are not true. See RED HERRINGS.

    plausible explanation for Qom having one of the very first outbreaks

    Plausibility suggests it was carried by asymptomatic Chinese. See RED HERRINGS.
    ____

    I hope Mr. Unz is not ignoring my posts.

    If he wants to convince anyone that Fort Detrick is the source he will have to directly refute the much more probable scenarios… 2B “WIV Crime” and 2C “WIV Conspiracy”

    PEACE 😇

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
  280. @Chebyshev

    Fair enough if you are happy to allow plausibility to anything that Ron, with free range imagination, tosses up. Then you are crediting him with a prima facie case which requires positive refutation. But I suggest that you focus on his one “smoking gun” that has been denied existence by USG, not even searched for by FOIA request by Ron and is easily explained as one of the intelligence community’s efforts to prevent Trump being reflected.

  281. @Ron Unz

    Your YouTube link may be a video I have previously watched. Unfortunately it is so long I went to sleep after, admittedly, searching within it for something that seemed evidently fallacious. Why won’t you watch it?

    Given the evidence now provided by a recent commenter that actually makes it seem likely that the fatal shot to RFK was from the gun of a security guard it is surely hard to justify refusing even to consider an alternative to Mossad/Johnson/mob/Cuban malevolence and conspiracy in the case of JFK.

    You mention the paucity of YouTube viewings. Is it your new enthusiasm for video presentations by yourself on Rumble that causes you to sneer? It would be of genuine interest to your readers if you were to review that video with a critical eye.

  282. Ron Unz says:
    @Chebyshev

    But it’s odd that no other prominent person in the alternative media is advocating your theory. They can’t all lack critical thinking skills and/or be susceptible to cognitive infiltration, can they?

    Well, I’ve been as mystified—as shocked—as you are. I had expected the dam to burst soon after Nicholas Wade’s article was published in May 2021. But here’s the best explanation I can provide:

    (1) Many journalists or podcasters are just terrified their careers will be destroyed or they’ll get purged if they go near the issue. Several of them have told me that explicitly. They think that even just arguing with me or criticizing my theory might still get them deplatformed.

    (2) Lots of the more wild-eyed and “excitable” writers and podcasters aren’t as fearful about those practical concerns. But nearly all of those have become fanatic anti-vaxxers or believers in similar nonsense, and they’re not interested in the origins of the Covid outbreak. Plus they regard me as an enemy or a Bill Gates stooge because I’m not an anti-vaxxer.

    For example, earlier this month I approached a reasonably prominent alt-podcaster, and this was his reply:

    I appreciate the suggestion, but I I don’t buy the lab leak hypothesis. I don’t believe SARS is a real virus, as Denis Rancourt explained here. I am convinced that is a digital sequence like a computer virus, and doesn’t exist outside of computer modelling software.

    I think the unusual deaths we’re seeing is a collection of lockdowns, isolation, stress, 5G, and the jab. For me, Covid is a massive propaganda campaign designed to shift the world’s economic and surveillance situation.

    I wouldn’t do your conversation justice, and it wouldn’t be fair.

    I’ve speculated that all these crazy ideas were injected into alt-media circles for exactly this sort of purpose in a Cass Sunstein-type strategy:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/alex-jones-cass-sunstein-and-cognitive-infiltration/

    After all, lots of these anti-vaxxers believe that many hundreds of millions of people will soon die from vaxxing, including 1/3 of America’s population. And if you believe that, why in the world would you bother focusing on Covid itself, which has only killed 18 million people, including a measly million Americans?

    • Agree: Chebyshev
    • Replies: @MPJ
    , @Anon
    , @Bumpkin
  283. Ron Unz says:
    @A123

    –2A– WIV “Leak”

    COVID-19 has a very unusual characteristic. It turns young & healthy individuals into asymptomatic carriers. It would not be surprising to find the virus away from the “Leak”. Instead the epicenter would be concentrations of the elderly and immune challenged.

    Crossing the entire city is genuinely problematic, but not inherently disqualifying. Demographic information would be required to determine if the pattern aligns to groups most prone to symptomatic patients.

    Asymptotic carriers would simply infect others near them. We’re talking about a city much larger than NYC, and the geographical spread of the early cases had absolutely no connection with WIV but was across the city on the other side of the river. The Pekar paper really seems very persuasive to me, and I think it was to most journalists and scientists.

    Based upon those findings, an accidental WIV lab-leak seems extremely implausible.

    What could be done in Fort Detrick that could not be done in WIV?…Why insist that the source *must* be a US lab? It is not even critical to the core point of your conspiracy theory.

    Sure, from a purely technological perspective, the Covid virus probably could have been produced in the Wuhan lab, Ft. Detrick, UNC, or numerous other biolabs anywhere in the world. There’s no way of knowing.

    That’s why I focus on other pieces of evidence:

    (A) Just prior to the appearance of the virus in Wuhan, America’s leading biowarfare advocate had spent eight months preparing America for the sudden appearance of a Covid-type virus in China. Hmmm…

    (B) Around the time that the virus appeared in Wuhan but weeks before any significant number of individuals would have become seriously ill, our DIA released a secret report describing a potentially “cataclysmic” disease outbreak taking place in Wuhan. Hmmmm…

    (C) Meanwhile, based upon all available evidence, no one in the Chinese government was aware of the Wuhan outbreak until almost two months after it began.

    (D) Finally, the other country hit earliest by the Covid virus was Iran, especially its top political and religious leadership. Hmmmm…

    Just as you say, anyone in the world could have produced the Covid virus, and numerous organizations could have released it in Wuhan. But elements of the American national security establishment apparently became aware of the outbreak before anyone else in the world, and that’s what points the finger of blame in a particular direction.

    WoZ suggests that Chinese stock-market manipulators released an ultra-dangerous bioweapon in one of China’s largest cities shortly before the Lunar New Year Holiday in hopes of wrecking China’s entire economy and society, which seems the extraordinarily implausible suggestion of a notorious dimwit. But even under that absurd scenario, would they have alerted the American government almost a year earlier to begin its Crimson Contagion exercise? Would they have told our DIA to produce its secret intelligence report? Would they have deliberately infected Iran’s top political leadership?

    The only responses that you or WoZ have to all of this evidence is to claim:

    (A) is pure coincidence.

    (B) is fraudulent. ABC News was lying, their four separate intelligence sources were lying, and the Israeli government that confirmed the existence of the DIA report was lying. So everything you don’t like is just a lie.

    (D) is pure coincidence.

    Obviously, if you can just freely dismiss all contrary evidence as fraudulent and also accept astonishingly implausible coincidences, you can debunk any theory.

    So we have a huge amount of evidence pointing in one direction and absolutely no evidence pointing in any other direction.

    Simply repackaging the idea as explicitly *anti-American*, which is 100% accurate, and calling out anti-American traitors would make your idea much more likely to obtain coverage.

    That’s because I’m packaging it for smart, honest people. For example, Jeffrey Sachs was chairman of the Covid Commission, and I’m pretty sure he’s now at least somewhat aware of my analysis. If you read or listen to his interviews that I’ve linked upthread, he’s been emphasizing that there’s an enormous American cover-up taking place, apparently orchestrated by elements of the American government.

    If the American government is working so hard to cover up the origins of the virus, that certainly makes them look like they have something to hide.

  284. @Ron Unz

    This is not an vaxxing article or a vaxxing discussion, I don’t have any interest in the vaxxing issue one way or the other, but those are the official statistics.

    I think I’ll keep an eye on the comments on this thread and just trash any subsequent anti-vaxxing nonsense. Maybe once I’ve trashed enough of your comments, all you stupid anti-vaxxers will relocate

    LOL LOL I must thank you for the laughs, Mr. Unz!

  285. @Ron Unz

    That’s because I’m packaging it for smart, honest people. For example, Jeffrey Sachs was chairman of the Covid Commission, and I’m pretty sure he’s now at least somewhat aware of my analysis. If you read or listen to his interviews that I’ve linked upthread, he’s been emphasizing that there’s an enormous American cover-up taking place, apparently orchestrated by elements of the American government.

    If the American government is working so hard to cover up the origins of the virus, that certainly makes them look like they have something to hide.

    Sachs tentatively endorses Chinese lab blunder. I can’t believe Ron Unz has gone back to insinuating that Sachs instead agrees with Unz’s rogue-neocon hypothesis. I busted Unz for that claim upthread at Comment 122, and he backed off in Comment 143, with the dodge that I must be “confused” for thinking any such thing.

    This the first time I’ve repeated a point in any thread, but I’m exasperated. At Comment 175, I dissected Unz’s USG suppression claim as follows:

    Mainstream and alternative media all know the truth of the rogue-neocon hypothesis, so they work together to cover up authoritative Sach’s tentative endorsement of China lab blunder so as to deflect attention from the rogue-neocon issue? A less fanciful explanation is that the gain of function cabal (that includes some powerful and guilty USG elements) has both the motive and the means to powerfully propagandize against the likely China-lab-blunder hypothesis.

    No comment from Unz. And now he’s back to repeating that a) Sachs supports Unz and b) suppression of origins inquiry is organized by Unz’s rogue neocons (no explicit evidence) rather than the gain-of-function cabal (plenty of explicit and widely attested evidence).

    Sheesh!

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  286. @Ron Unz

    WoZ suggests that Chinese stock-market manipulators released an ultra-dangerous bioweapon in one of China’s largest cities shortly before the the Lunar New Year Holiday in hopes of wrecking China’s entire economy and society

    You do stick your neck out don’t you? Again you misrepresent something that a smart 2nd grader could get right. I merely offered an example of the way the common motive of greed MIGHT logically have to be considered, and I suggested that the purpose would have nothing to do with destroying an economy but, rather, feckless opportunism.

    So, here we are back with your credibility being made a central issue, by your self. Has it occurred to you that the company you have attracted and the platform you have given to maddies and extremists (as most MSM journalists would regard them) makes straight people pretty nervous of even being seen to take you seriously enough for discussion, not least when they could rationally fear that, even after many years of correspondence and familiarity they might be called notorious dimwits and worse?

    No matter. Here is something I was looking for to see what your critical faculties could make of it. This long, very recent video turned up on my screen and I watched all of it, with particular interest in the clear assertion that US navy bombers had taken off to bomb Cairo military installations with nuclear weapons in June 1967 when the USS Liberty was attacked.

    [MORE]

    I have moved a little from my previous position which included thinking it unlikely that LBJ would have taken on a war with Egypt, especially given its support by the USSR, when Vietnam was causing him so much angst. Now it occurs to me that he could have been sold on the idea of something decisive and simple which might incidentally intimidate the USSR if it was conveniently set up. But – can you disagree? -there could be no way he would agree in advance to an Israeli plan to, explicitly, destroy a US Navy vessel and kill all its crew. (Whatever you think of LBJ he would know that others who had to know about it would be horrified and incapable of staying silent).

    So, the hypothesis has to be, if the nuclear armed bombers did take off, that he was promised by the Israelis just a vague and undefined false flag that would justify a nuclear attack.

    It seems quite likely that the Israelis were only counting on doing enough damage to the Liberty and displaying Arab savagery before they destroyed communications with the US fleet. Whatever one thinks of Israeli ruthlessness it seems absurd to suppose that they would actually count on being able to kill every last one of the crew.

    So…. IF the bombers took off with nuclear weapons it seems probable that the Israelis had been seeking to give Johnson the excuse he needed but that once Johnson understood the clumsy reality of what had been set up by the Israelis. I am of course aware that this is a more plausible hypothesis than and idea that the Israellis were trying to stop Liberty listening in on their radio traffic concerning the Golan Heights or anything else.

    What do you think?

  287. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Sure, from a purely technological perspective, the Covid virus probably could have been produced in the Wuhan lab, Ft. Detrick, UNC, or numerous other biolabs anywhere in the world. There’s no way of knowing.

    There is no smoking gun explicitly breaking an individual step in the highly complex conspiracy you weave. It falls apart because any group capable of the entire chain of all of the required steps had better alternatives.

    Which scenario is more plausible in terms of a deliberate action:
        2B or 2C — A tiny group of people for WIV as source?
        3C — A large conspiracy to support international transport?

    This leads back to the key point I gave been trying to make:

    Why? • This is where “Fort Detrick as source” has huge problems. A scheme by *anti-American traitors* should have no requirement for international transportation.

    › If the goal is undermining Trump, a straightforward plot would be a domestic theft then targeting domestic locations known to attract MAGA crowds.

    › If the goal is provoking US-China conflict with the Wuhan release, why not opt for stealing a contagion from WIV?

    Any group able and willing to conduct your preferred plot has vastly easier, cheaper, safer, faster, better options to achieve their goals. The “Fort Detrick as source” scenario is exceedingly improbable.

    [MORE]

    –2A– WIV “Leak”

    COVID-19 has a very unusual characteristic. It turns young & healthy individuals into asymptomatic carriers. It would not be surprising to find the virus away from the “Leak”.

    Asymptotic carriers would simply infect others near them. We’re talking about a city much larger than NYC, and the geographical spread of the early cases had absolutely no connection with WIV but was across the city on the other side of the river. The Pekar paper really seems very persuasive to me, and I think it was to most journalists and scientists.

    Based upon those findings, an accidental WIV lab-leak seems extremely implausible.

    Symptomatic carriers feel sick, they would tend to travel as little as possible. They would infect others near them.

    Asymptomatic carriers would travel inside large cities like NYC or Wuhan based on their employment. They would simply infect others in a pattern based on business travel.

    The Pekar work certainly casts legitimate doubt on the “WIV Leak” scenario. However, immediately jumping to extremely implausible seems like over reach. I believe the other WIV source scenarios are equally or more plausible, however slamming the door shut on an accident is premature.

    (A) Just prior to the appearance of the virus in Wuhan, America’s leading biowarfare advocate had spent eight months preparing America for the sudden appearance of a Covid-type virus in China. Hmmm…

    High quality exercises based on real world events like SARS1 are intended to anticipate things that have a chance of actually happening. That such overlaps occur is “inevitable” not evidence.

    The U.S. military now uses obvious fiction such as “zombies” and “aliens” on their exercises to avoid optics problems when the inevitable happens.

    Iran’s #1 diplomatic partner is China. Younger Chinese diplomats accidentally contaminating their Iranian counterparts is wholly unsurprising. It may not be the diplomats themselves, asymptomatic carriers could be the even younger & healthier security entourage.

    (D) Finally, the other country hit earliest by the Covid virus was Iran, especially its top political and religious leadership. Hmmmm…

    There are things that are not coincidence. One of them is COVID travels on airplanes. Iran’s business and political lifeline is China. Commercial contacts between Wuhan and Tehran spreading COVID is “inevitable” not evidence.

    Simply repackaging the idea as explicitly *anti-American*, which is 100% accurate, and calling out anti-American traitors would make your idea much more likely to obtain coverage.

    That’s because I’m packaging it for smart, honest people.

    How many months have been using your current packaging?
    Has it gotten coverage anywhere?
    Would it hurt to try improved, more accurate packaging?

    Smart honest people intuitively understand that the phrase “American Attack” has only one possible meaning — An authorized WMD (Biologic) first strike.

    Your packaging is self defeating. Smart honest people read with the standard definition of “American Attack”. Then they disconnect when they perceive you advocating an authorized “American Attack” WMD first strike that never happened. Very few people reach the part where you insert the custom definition to replace the standard one.

    Trust me, I understand the issue. To make my points about the jab, I need new terms like “Manda-vaxx” and “Vaxx-Realist”. Alas, people are still trapped using the dysfunctional pro/anti structure. At least my attempt to coin new terms provides some intuitive way for readers to follow. It is a packaging problem, but I do not have a good alternative.

    Your attempt to redefine the existing term “American Attack” is totally non-intuitive. It is self inflicted packaging problem. However, you do not need new terms. You know that *anti-American* traitors would be required to steal from Fort Detrick. This gives you an array of language options that would be more accurate and effective.

    there’s an enormous American cover-up taking place, apparently orchestrated by elements of the American government.

    Do you mean the legitimate American government that ended in January 2021?
    Or the illicit coup regime of Not-The-President Biden?

    I am willing to believe that those who have overthrown the government are engaging in cover ups to back fill an anti-American #NeverTrumpVirus plot that facilitated their illicit takeover. That is very “coup like” behaviour. They are applying equal zeal to preventing investigation of ballot fraud in swing states.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  288. geokat62 says:

    Introductory paragraphs to Bravo to the lockdown sceptics, who were smeared and dismissed for daring to defend freedom:

    Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. It’s happened at last. Yes, one of the most senior members of government during that whole lockdown business has finally admitted that the strategy was overdone, badly handled and badly communicated. Take a bow, Rishi Sunak.

    I had to do a double take when I saw the reports. For those long lockdown months, nobody in government, let alone the Cabinet, was prepared to say any such thing. It was left to a few courageous journalists and scientists to take on the overwhelming force of the lockdown fanatics, with police fining people for sitting on park benches and neighbours eagerly shopping each other like this was some authoritarian country.

    The brave few kept the flag of personal freedom alive. That really is no exaggeration. And they paid heavily for it. On social media the abuse was intense. You don’t care about lives! they snarled. You’re murderers! they claimed. And in the mainstream, things weren’t much better. You’re a “small, disproportionately influential faction,” moaned a Guardian Leader, that “denies the virulence of the virus”. Thanks for that…

    https://www.vtlnews.com/bravo-to-the-lockdown-sceptics-who-were-smeared-and-dismissed-for-daring-to-defend-freedom/

  289. Ron Unz says:
    @New Dealer

    Sachs tentatively endorses Chinese lab blunder. I can’t believe Ron Unz has gone back to insinuating that Sachs instead agrees with Unz’s rogue-neocon hypothesis…No comment from Unz.

    I don’t think that’s an accurate characterization of Sachs’ position.

    For more than two years, a vast number of media outlets have been touting the lab-leak theory, and that was the central idea of the very important articles by Nicholas Wade, Nicholson Baker, and numerous others, as well as several books.

    Given all of that, it’s hardly surprising that Sachs at one point briefly mentioned the idea. But I don’t he’s said anything about it more recently, especially after the Pekar study seemingly demolished the possibility.

    For example, take his excellent hour-long interview with RFK Jr. At one point, Kennedy mentioned the lab-leak idea, and Sachs completely ignored it, focusing his entire analysis on the attempts by the American government and its beneficiaries to cover-up the fact that the virus was artificial:

    If he actually believed that the lab-leak theory was plausible, why wouldn’t he have mentioned it in any of his lengthy presentations or interviews over the last few months? His clip that went super-viral focused entirely upon Covid’s origins in “US lab biotechnology”:

    • Replies: @New Dealer
  290. @A123

    A big problem with the RU-thesis is that depends upon modifying the ABC report while keeping what sounds good. When I listened to the ABC report it definitely came off as “Trump Knew, Covid” in the same was as “Bush Knew, 911” or “Obama Knew, Benghazi” as in earlier popular memes. The ABC report was telling us that Trump could have stopped Covid early because he knew about it.

    RU offers the more internally consistent idea that any COVID-conspiracy was likely done behind Trump’s back. That is a more plausible scenario, if there was a conspiracy. Trump is such a loud-mouthed blowhard that if Bolton and Pompeo were doing something like this, they would almost certainly leave him in the dark. But in that case, the ABC report sounds a bit off key. That’s why we would really need to have some original document as a primary source before this story could really be assessed.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Ron Unz
  291. Mehen says:

    Regarding the discussion upthread concerning New Zealand all-cause death data, Guy Hatchard reports:

    https://hatchardreport.com/how-a-small-scientific-elite-dictates-government-policy/

    [MORE]

    A naive reading of the graph, which was presumably the approach of the various poorly qualified science explainers in MSM, appears to show that excess deaths per million are currently at a rate of 200 deaths below previous levels (per week, per year, per three years??? the blog doesn’t tell you), but you would be completely wrong to read the graph like this.

    If you go vertically up from the date 1 July 2022 to the graph and then across to the Y access, as we are trained to do in school, you reach a figure—minus 250. If you think that means in the week ending 1st of July all-cause deaths were 250 below the long term average, you are being misled. The all-cause death rate for the most recent week of August is actually 246 ABOVE the long term average.

  292. A123 says: • Website
    @Patrick McNally

    A big problem with the RU-thesis is that depends upon modifying the ABC report while keeping what sounds good. When I listened to the ABC report it definitely came off as “Trump Knew, Covid

    the ABC report sounds a bit off key. That’s why we would really need to have some original document as a primary source before this story could really be assessed.

    I concur.

    Trusting ABC goes in the same category as trusting Not-The-President Biden around a sniffable 10 year old. It is in obvious “No Chance!” scenario.

    likely done behind Trump’s back. That is a more plausible scenario, if there was a conspiracy. Trump is such a loud-mouthed blowhard that if Bolton and Pompeo were doing something

    It really makes no sense even for them. At some level they have irrevocably committed to the GOP and it is too late to switch horses.

    To steal a virus and release a global pandemic requires true anti-American, #NeverTrump motivation. Proximity to the West Wing would be a disqualifier. Even Bolton lacks the necessary depraved in dereference to human life.

    So, starting with a premise that the plotters are #NeverTrump fanatics, they have multiple choices:
    — U.S. Domestic — Fort Detrick to MAGA voters
    — China Domestic — WIV to Wuhan
    — International — Fort Detrick to Wuhan

    Both of the domestic scenarios are much easier #TeamEvil. Obtaining the #NeverTrumpVirus from WIV is a no brainer.

    Given the paucity of US»Iran flights versus China»Iran flights. If a conspiracy wants to smuggle a virus into Iran, which is easier. Fort Detrick as Origin? Or, WIV as Origin?

    Sure, from a purely technological perspective, the Covid virus probably could have been produced in the Wuhan lab, Ft. Detrick, UNC, or numerous other biolabs anywhere in the world. There’s no way of knowing.

    The Sachs clip makes lab biotechnology much more likely. How is the WIV BSL4 (France/China build) lab versus Fort Detrick BSL4 (America build) different in a way that definitively shows WIV cannot be responsible?

    With out a smoking gun that make Fort Detrick an exclusive source. Trying to involve them is in exceedingly improbable versus much better choices.
    ____

    A global conspiracy where *anti-American* DNC operatives illicitly obtained the #NeverTrumpVirus from WIV holds together well.

    Is feels like there is a hidden agenda in play. China must be 100% super duper, double special plus, ultra innocent, with no involvement what so ever. It is hard to see how service to the CCP could possibly benefit Mr. Unz. Thus, the unwavering zeal and commitment to absolute China exoneration is hard to fathom.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  293. MPJ says:
    @Ron Unz

    What a crock of sh*t. Taking the worst of anti-vaxxer nonsense and generalizing from there. The vast majority of those who have refused the vaccine are those who don’t want to be FORCED to take a medical product, period, full stop. Their number 1 concern is safety, medical safety. They don’t want to subject themselves to unnecessary medical risk, knowing full well the very low risk the disease itself poses. Everything else, and I mean EVERYTHING else, is secondary.

    When I hear 5G or anything like “the virus isn’t real”, I know that the person bringing it up is not interested in a good-willed, honest study of the subject matter of vaccine safety. Rather, they’re interested in cherry-picking the craziest conspiracy theories and tarnishing all vaccine refuseniks with that brush.

    I can BET that Steve Kirsch or Brett Weinstein wouldn’t turn down your offer to talk and voice your view on covid origins because they’re open minded on the origins of this virus or any other aspect of it. The real issue here is YOUR reluctance and YOUR closed-mindedness in consider anything THEY have to say about vaccine safety. Sure these two gentlemen don’t cover geopolitics often but any publicity is good publicity, no? Especially when these guys have millions of followers on YouTube, Twitter and Telegram?

    C’mon Ron, you really do regard your readers as morons when you post stuff like this.

    • Replies: @roonaldo
    , @Ron Unz
  294. roonaldo says:
    @MPJ

    Despite his feigned indifference, Mr. Unz studied matters, saw Omicron posed little danger and that the booster was ineffective against it, then assessed benefit vs. risk and determined the possibility of vaccine injury outweighed the potential health benefit. He also assessed that the risk doesn’t warrant vaxxing kids and adults under forty.

    It is the same assessment many of us made, only we applied it to the initial shot. Were we wrong? We say no, Mr. Unz says yes–then bizarrely labels us lunatics for declining poorly tested, rushed-to-market, experimental gene therapeutics using unproven mRNA technology with nanolipid or viral vector delivery agents that turn your body into a spike protein factory.

    And all brought to us by the eminently trustworthy Pfizer, BioNtech, Moderna, J&J, CDC, NIH, WHO, and the loveable Dr. Fauci. Who could possibly say no to that?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  295. @roonaldo

    I was under the impression that Mr. Unz agrees with us regarding the initial shot too, at least the part about no shots for kids (absolutely no benefit with unknown risk) and, most importantly, that it shouldn’t be mandatory.

    That’s what we’ve been fighting, the mandatory part. That’s pretty much the gist of the whole movement, yet Ron Unz agrees with us as he wonders how this strange movement got so big and overshadowed the one guy and his theory of WhoDunnit.

    Hey Ron Unz, guess what? You’re an anti-vaxxer. Where do you want your membership card sent to?

    • Agree: roonaldo, A123
    • Replies: @Random Anonymous
    , @A123
  296. Ron Unz says:
    @Patrick McNally

    A big problem with the RU-thesis is that depends upon modifying the ABC report while keeping what sounds good. When I listened to the ABC report it definitely came off as “Trump Knew, Covid” in the same was as “Bush Knew, 911” or “Obama Knew, Benghazi” as in earlier popular memes. The ABC report was telling us that Trump could have stopped Covid early because he knew about it.

    You’re confused, as usual…

    According to the four Intelligence sources cited by ABC and later confirmed by the Israelis, a secret DIA report was sent to the White House and other top government agencies warning of the ongoing disease epidemic in Wuhan, but that report was ignored. Hardly surprising, there are probably many, many such warning reports being sent to the government officials, and Trump was notoriously “not a heavy reader.”

    That’s just run-of-the-mill blame-shifting that follows every major disaster, and no big deal. Not any different than the 9/11 and Benghazi examples you mentioned.

    But then people realized that the DIA report had been produced before the Wuhan epidemic actually began, which is a very, very big deal.

  297. Ron Unz says:
    @MPJ

    What a crock of sh*t. Taking the worst of anti-vaxxer nonsense and generalizing from there…I can BET that Steve Kirsch or Brett Weinstein wouldn’t turn down your offer to talk and voice your view on covid origins because they’re open minded on the origins of this virus or any other aspect of it…C’mon Ron, you really do regard your readers as morons when you post stuff like this.

    Nope, I think you’re just a gullible dupe.

    Since I’d been complaining about the difficulty of getting anyone to discuss this Covid origins issue, someone knowledgeable about the alt-media world gave me a list of about a dozen leading podcasters to contact, which I did, suggesting interviews. ZERO positive responses. The negative response I quoted was from someone said to be a leading anti-vaxx podcaster, so that’s what he apparently believes. Such ideas seem not uncommon among anti-vaxxers, including the commenters on this website.

    As for your suggestions, Kirsch doesn’t have a podcast but Weinstein does, and for many months various commenters have been trying to get him to debate me on the issue, but with zero success, despite his alleged “open-mindedness.” Give it a try yourself and see what happens. He won’t go near the issue.

    That’s because while ranting about Bill Gates and anti-vaxxing is fun, seriously discussing the possibility that an American biowarfare attack has now killed over a million Americans is “dangerous.” For example, I’ve been informed that a prominent national journalist wanted to get a copy of my book, but was too fearful to even buy it on Amazon.

    Since you’re just an ignorant anti-vaxxer who only recently showed up here, let me give you a few facts.

    Back in February, I did interviews with three very small podcasters, and those shows generated up to 1000x the viewership on Rumble of most of their other interviews. Here are the links and you can confirm what I’m saying for yourself just by using CTRL-F with my name:

    https://rumble.com/c/GeopoliticsAndEmpire?page=2

    https://rumble.com/user/FFWN?page=2

    https://rumble.com/user/redicetv?page=4

    Given that my topic had generated hundreds of times the usual podcast viewership, with over a million total views, I had assumed lots of other podcasters would soon be willing to cover it. Nope! Several podcasters I’ve been friendly with for years have explicitly told me they won’t go near the issue—they’re terrified of what would happen to their careers. I assume lots of the others are like that as well. Plus a few of them, like the one I quoted, apparently either don’t believe the Covid virus exists or have other silly ideas.

    https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/#podcast-interviews

    Like I said, I’d be very glad to discuss the origins theory with Weinstein or anyone else you can suggest. But they won’t touch it—they’re scared.

    Just try contacting them yourself, and you’ll see that I’m correct.

    If hundreds or thousands of bloggers, Tweeters, or podcasters are freely discussing every aspect of the anti-vaxxing controversy, including accusing Pfizer or Bill Gates of genocide, but absolutely none of them will go near my Covid analysis, you can draw your own conclusions about what’s considered safe and what’s considered “dangerous.”

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @MPJ
  298. Question for Mr. Unz (or anyone else who lives in California):

    Is it Mr. Unz’ experience that, in his part of California, businesses and public venues are still asking would-be patrons for proof of vaccination?

    I ask because I was interested (“amazed” might be nearer the mark) to learn that the organisers of an event in San Francisco, CA are still, as of this writing, insisting that anyone who wishes to attend their event provide proof of vaccination.

    I would have thought the Americans had done away with that sort of thing by now. Is California a special case in that it continues to insist on people being vaccinated before they can attend a public event?

    (Or, perhaps, San Francisco per se has a death-grip on the idea that Covid vaccines remain useful and refuses to let go?)

  299. @Ron Unz

    But then people realized that the DIA report had been produced before the Wuhan epidemic actually began, which is a very, very big deal.

    Yes but…. why wasn’t it a very big deal for Fauci and other medical adventurers? If it didn’t spoil thir Christmas we know they were soon gearing up to distract attention from their dubious relations with WIV. And if they had or hadn’t known of the report when it was (supposedly) written issues would arise about hothe knowledge was handled. It is not difficult to think of circumstances under which they might counsel the denying of the report. So why would denial result from a limited number of rogues rather than a much larger number of the medical quite great and good who even felt quite virtuous in their conspiring a cover up?

    Of course I maintain my preference for the view that the report did not exist but was beaten up as an anti Trump ploy.

  300. @Achmed E. Newman

    Game, set, and match. Well done!

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  301. @A123

    You have provided yet another believable, though unlikely, motive for deliberate spreading of the virus. Rather than Pompeo or Bolton why not Democrat never Trumpers indeed?

    • Thanks: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    , @mulga mumblebrain
  302. @Ron Unz

    If he actually believed that the lab-leak theory was plausible, why wouldn’t he have mentioned it in any of his lengthy presentations or interviews over the last few months? His clip that went super-viral focused entirely upon Covid’s origins in “US lab biotechnology”

    Ron Unz, I suggest that you reread Sach’s output with scientific integrity and greater care.

    A five minute internet search and ten minutes spent scanning an interview with Sachs on Youtube, yields this remark by Sachs:

    We’ve got two rival hypotheses here…if this really came out of scientific research by accident – by the way nobody I know of, seriously, nobody, nobody seriously views this as intentional, if it did come out of a lab it was an accident, and I take that view entirely…

    https://www.jeffsachs.org/interviewsandmedia/j2wprez2ab38lh5marhlmkg8yz24e3 starting at 15:00.

    What are the two rival hypotheses? According to Harrison and Sachs in PNAS they are: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2202769119

    The two main hypotheses are that the virus emerged from human exposure to an infected animal [“zoonosis” (2)] or that it emerged in a research-related incident (3)….

    Throughout his recent output, Sachs states that the two rival hypotheses are wet market and lab leak. It would be tedious to relate the instances. Why you would say the opposite is baffling.

    Next, Harrison and Sachs target the entity I have termed the gain-of-function cabal, including both Chinese and American elements, as possibly responsible for a lab blunder and definitely responsible for the suppression of the lab-blunder hypothesis. They do not target Unz’s rogue neocons.

    Much of the work on SARS-like CoVs performed in Wuhan was part of an active and highly collaborative US–China scientific research program funded by the US Government (NIH, Defense Threat Reduction Agency [DTRA], and US Agency for International Development [USAID]), coordinated by researchers at EcoHealth Alliance (EHA), but involving researchers at several other US institutions….

    Participating US institutions include the EHA, the University of North Carolina (UNC), the University of California at Davis (UCD), the NIH, and the USAID. Under a series of NIH grants and USAID contracts, EHA coordinated the collection of SARS-like bat CoVs from the field in southwest China and southeast Asia, the sequencing of these viruses, the archiving of these sequences (involving UCD), and the analysis and manipulation of these viruses (notably at UNC). A broad spectrum of coronavirus research work was done not only in Wuhan (including groups at Wuhan University and the Wuhan CDC, as well as WIV) but also in the United States.

    So my point is, there is a huge amount of reason to believe that that research was underway. Because there are published papers on this. There are interviews on this. There are research proposals. But NIH isn’t talking. It’s not asking. And these scientists have never asked either. From the very first day, they have kept hidden from view the alternative. And when they discuss the alternative, they don’t discuss the research program. They discuss complete straw men about the lab, not the actual kind of research that was underway, which was to stick furin cleavage sites into SARS-like viruses in a way that could have created SARS-Cov-2.

    What I’m calling for is not the conclusion. I’m calling for the investigation. Finally, after two and a half years of this, it’s time to fess up that it might have come out of a lab and here’s the data that we need to know to find out whether it did.

    I was imprecise in stating that Sachs tentatively endorses lab leak. The most he claims with confidence is that zoonotic origin and lab blunder are the two rival hypotheses (and not rogue neocon). He does believe, contrary to the gain of function cabal, that there is good evidence for lab-blunder and that further investigation is required. The fervor with which he states the case for lab-leak suggests he leans that way, but he cannot decide in its favor with the limited evidence at hand.

    Next, I need to repeat the quote I posted in Comment 122, the interviewer’s question to Sachs in Current Affairs, the Sachs source you put the most emphasis on:

    I think it’s very important to make clear that the “alternative hypothesis” is mainly a hypothesis about an accident, and scientific hubris. It’s important to distinguish the kooky theories from the incredibly plausible theories. Because what you’re talking about is people who did not appreciate the dangers of what they were doing.

    In response, Sachs discussed scientific hubris and activities of the gain of function cabal to suppress inquiry into the lab blunder hypothesis. Once again, he never discusses anything like rogue neocons. Not one hint or whisper.

    Ron Unz, please scrutinize with care these words by Sachs:

    We’ve got two rival hypotheses here…if this really came out of scientific research by accident – by the way nobody I know of, seriously, nobody, nobody seriously views this as intentional, if it did come out of a lab it was an accident, and I take that view entirely…

    • Agree: A123, Random Anonymous
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  303. @Ron Unz

    You’re skipping over the fact that there was something going on at Wuhan, which has been cited as “proof” that CV-19 appeared earlier than claimed. The rebuttal against this assertion has been that the thing at the military games around Wuhan was not CV-19. You’ve argued that extensively here, maintaining that if it had been then CV-19 would have spread a lot faster and sooner. But even granting that it wasn’t CV-19, there obviously was some kind of sickness going around. It’s not obvious that earlier warnings, if such existed, were really about CV-19 instead of maybe just being about the sickness which had occurred at the military games. What is clear is that the ABC report was meant to make viewers think that Trump had ignored a warning. It was a politically motivated report. But we would need original documents to be able to determine whether or not that earlier alleged warning really occurred and was really about CV-19, as opposed to possibly being about the sickness at the military games in Wuhan which apparently was not CV-19.

  304. That’s because while ranting about Bill Gates and anti-vaxxing is fun, seriously discussing the possibility that an American biowarfare attack has now killed over a million Americans is “dangerous.”

    … “dangerous” for Americans, perhaps.

    I for one accept your thesis – with the qualification that I regard what you have uncovered as being just one piece in a larger puzzle – an opening campaign (and IMO a Trojan Horse) in a wider and far more deadly battle for control of the world.

    If you’re interested in gaining some visibilty for your research on alternative media platforms (because that’s definitely the only place you will find a receptive audience) then I’d suggest Maria Zee at https://zeeemedia.com/ , or maybe Stew Peters at https://www.redvoicemedia.com/category/pc-radio/ , or Mike Adams at https://naturalnews.com/ , or maybe even Del Bigtree at https://thehighwire.com/ .

    I’d expect the only reason that any of those broadcasters / publishers might turn you down is simply because they have their work cut out for them just dealing with present developments which still involve but have gone well beyond the admittedly catastrophic but ultimately niche issue of the Corona Chan “pandemic”.

    FWIW, the German Corona Investigative Committee ( https://worlddoctorsalliance.com/tags/reiner-fuellmich/ ) managed by Dr. Reiner Fuellmich would very likely welcome your input as valuable expert testimony in their ongoing efforts to build a case to hold the perpetrators accountable for the entire global Corona Chan “pandemic” fiasco.

    That assumes, of course, that you have the desire at this point to bring such outlets’ attention to your arguably controversial findings. As things are unfolding, most everyone is finding new and pressing priorities demanding more of their limited time and resources.

  305. A123 says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    That’s what we’ve been fighting, the mandatory part. That’s pretty much the gist of the whole movement,

    Hey Ron Unz, guess what? You’re an anti-vaxxer. Where do you want your membership card sent to?

    Three key points that apply across collective action:

    -1- Terminology strongly impacts thought. Bad terminology creates unnecessary problems.

    -2- Humans pick sides. They do so early. And, once chosen, it stays locked in. Flipping to the other binary choice is not compatible with how human brains work.

    -3- Changing the structure of a binary conflict gives the human brain the chance to pick a new side.
    ____

    How does this apply in the vaccine scenario?

    Trying to convince Mr. Unz that he is “anti-vaxx” is not going be effective. He, like 99%+ of people, will not execute a 180°. The way out is reframing the binary political sides:

        ♦ Vaxx-Realist
        ♦ Manda-vaxx

    The Vaxx-Realist side can accept that some people (e.g. elderly with preexisting conditions) may want the experimental jab. While at the same time accepting large swaths of the population, for good scientific reasons, do not want to participate in mRNA research & development.

    The other side runs on highly charged emotions and science denial. Grandma died so everyone must receive the experiential jab! Sheeple rapidly found this poorly grounded but comforting Safety Blanket. BigPharma helped themselves by building this construct into the narratives.

    Deploying the term Manda-vaxx refrains the issue. It focuses on BigPharma and their Big $$$ as the opposition. There is a question that BigPharma does not want people to hear, “Do you want medical experimentation on your child?”

    People who were “Pro-vaxx for Nana” can honorably jettison Manda-vaxx to save their kids. But they will never identify as Anti-vaxx.
    _____

    This same binary has broken American politics for decades:

        • Left/DNC — SJW’s, Open Borders
        • Right/GOP — MegaCorporations, Wall Street

    Left/Right perpetuates failure. It has to go. The way out is reframing the sides:

        ♦ Globalist/DNC — SJW’s, Open Borders, MegaCorporations, Wall Street
        ♦ Populist/GOP — MAGA, Good jobs for workers, Low or no immigration, Traditional family values

    “Christian Populist” is also an option. It is very powerful for moving domestic American issues the correct direction. However, it adds difficulty to some international ones. Fortunately, “Populist” and “Christian Populist” can coexist as interchangeable labels for fundamentally the same side.

    It will be a long slog to fully change the GOP(e) to GOP(MAGA). But, at least there is now a side to be for.

    PEACE 😇

  306. A123 says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    You have provided yet another believable, though unlikely, motive for deliberate spreading of the virus. Rather than Pompeo or Bolton why not Democrat never Trumpers indeed?

    Thanks. It really drives at a simple thought process at the very beginning of the chain.

    Assumption: The conspirators are on the ___________ side.

    Question: What is the easiest source for _________ side planners to target for the theft:

    -A- Fort Detrick
    -B- Wuhan Institute of Virology [WIV]
    -C- Other: Specify

    Whether it is a “leak”, or a botched crime, or a successful conspiracy. The answer is always the same for every possible actor. WIV is the most logical source.

    — Is Fort Detrick the only possible source? Nope.
    — Is there concrete evidence that shows WIV was not capable? Nope.

    In fact, there is ample evidence that shows that WIV was engaged in the type of coronavirus experimentation that could yield the WUHAN-19 virus.
    ____

    Even Mr. Unz own theories are made stronger by WIV as source for WUHAN-19 virus.

    Attacking Iran from China is the path of least resistance. Perhaps the weapon was carried in an diplomatic pouch that the Iranians would never search?

    Would a CCP functionary in Iran perform strange actions based on sealed orders?
        -1- Remove item A from diplomatic pouch
        -2- Insert A into in location B
        -3- Pull tab C
        -4- Ignore sounds for five minutes, when noise stops
        -5- Place item A back in diplomatic pouch
        -6- Upon return to PRC embassy, place pouch in destruction chute

    If item A looks like a scanner or other electronic device, odds are good the instructions would be obeyed. It is a WIN-WIN once the ball is rolling. Either the plan works as intended, or Iranian security captures a CCP saboteur.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  307. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    But nearly all of those have become fanatic anti-vaxxers or believers in similar nonsense, and they’re not interested in the origins of the Covid outbreak.

    Like you, for instance?

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe you mentioned that you’ve refused getting boosted.

    Science Denier much, Ron – why do want to kill our grannies?

    • Agree: MPJ
  308. Continuing my Comment 305.

    Upon reflection I feel it apt to strengthen my statement.

    Intellectual hygiene for Ron Unz:

    1. Consider all plausible alternative hypotheses.
    2. Pursue and review all available evidence.
    3. If one favors a hypothesis, look as hard for contrary evidence as for supporting evidence.
    4. At every step, take pains to avoid confirmation bias.
    5. Be ready to discard a favored hypothesis.

    It’s a free country and you can keep barking at the moon for as long as you like. But STOP misrepresenting Sachs as the prestigious authority who supports your views. There is NOTHING in Sach’s analyses that support your friendless rogue-neocon hypothesis.

  309. Bumpkin says:
    @Ron Unz

    After all, lots of these anti-vaxxers believe that many hundreds of millions of people will soon die from vaxxing, including 1/3 of America’s population. And if you believe that, why in the world would you bother focusing on Covid itself, which has only killed 18 million people, including a measly million Americans?

    Doesn’t this suggest you’ve made a strategic mistake by not looking into the vaccines much, ie always claiming you’re not an “anti-vaxxer,” whatever that means, but that “I don’t know or care anything about vaccine trials?”

    After all, there is nothing contradictory in believing that Covid was a US bioweapon, as you believe, and this alt-podcaster’s belief that the Covid response of “lockdowns, isolation, stress, 5G, and the jab” were even worse. Different people believe in different combinations of those: you believe Covid was mostly to blame for excess deaths whereas he thinks it was completely because of those non-Covid reasons, eg I think the latter may have killed more than the former, but find it hard to believe Covid was faked like he does.

    Why not look into the Rancourt and other data and see what you think, rather than just dismissing that data out of hand and always ridiculing the “anti-vaxxers” as believing all of the vaccinated will keel over, which most vaccine skeptics don’t believe? It is quite funny how you employ the same tactics on the vaccine skeptics that others apply to you, ie using derogatory and meaningless MSM terms like “anti-vaxxers,” tarring the entire movement with the views of the most extreme fringe, and conveniently refusing to investigate because “everyone know that’s stupid.”

    • Replies: @MPJ
  310. Mehen says:

    My last two relatively tame comments were dimmed by the mods with the [MORE] tag.

    The excess-mortality data from many countries keeps rolling in, Ron. It’s like a slow moving rising tide.

    I suggest you consider the implications if you still care about your future credibility.

    There is still time.

    Maybe.

    • Agree: MPJ
  311. Ron Unz says:
    @New Dealer

    Throughout his recent output, Sachs states that the two rival hypotheses are wet market and lab leak. It would be tedious to relate the instances. Why you would say the opposite is baffling.

    I’d already emphasized that the only two theories promoted in the MSM are “natural virus” and “accidental lab-leak,” so that’s what Sachs probably assumed three months ago, when he provided that quote. Sachs is an ultra-respectable, ultra-Establishment figure, and the notion of an American biowarfare attack is ultra-controversial. He obviously wouldn’t mention it under any circumstances whatsoever.

    But he avoids saying “lab-leak” anywhere in his hour-long RFK interview or his long Current Affairs interview. He never directs even a hint of blame towards the Chinese or the Wuhan lab, while he emphasizes the massive cover-up of the true Covid origins being maintained by the American government and its suborned academics, and also focuses on the long history of American biowarfare programs, which were moved over to Fauci’s NIH a couple of decades ago.

    So according to Sachs, we have a massive, longstanding American biowarfare program and a dangerous bioengineered virus that’s killed 18 million people, whose true origins the American government has been hiding from Day One in a gigantic scientific cover-up. Hmmmm….I wonder what he might be suggesting?….

    You’ve got to understand something. I’ve never dealt with Sachs himself, but I’ve certainly been in frequent communication with very high-ranking academics and journalists, some of them in his immediate circle. Most of these individuals have been reading my articles for more than two years now. They’ve always had a lot of respect for me, but although at first they were quite skeptical of my Covid analysis, I think most of them have now come around to accepting it. But nonetheless, not a single one of them has ever used the phrase “biowarfare attack” in even a single private note to me. They can think it, but they can’t say it—it’s too explosive.

    Assuming my hypothesis is correct, this might be about the biggest story in the history of the world, with World War II the only clear rival.

    That’s why my videos with those tiny podcasters have already racked up a million views…and also why every other podcaster or journalist is too scared to go near it, at least for now.

  312. Ron Unz says:

    As I’ve said, over the last week or two I’ve been in regular touch with a number of very high-ranking academics and journalists who are just as appalled by the current Covid media cover-up as I am. Just listen to what Sachs says about that in his various interviews. He’s the chairman of the Covid Commission and nobody in the media will report his explosive accusations.

    In discussing this very unfortunate situation with one of these individuals, I emphasized that I had absolutely no expertise in the scientific issues involved. I’m not a microbiologist or a virologist, and for that reason I’ve never discussed the science in any of my Covid articles, and have to rely on the professional knowledge of others. So I can’t provide any special insight in those areas.

    However, I do have a great deal of experience in political/media strategy, especially in circumventing blockages in the mainstream media, and that’s the assistance I’ve been providing some of these individuals.

    Plus I’m willing to say out loud what I strongly suspect many of these individuals are quietly thinking.

    • Replies: @MPJ
    , @New Dealer
  313. MPJ says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron, if I may ask, what’s your view on who did 9/11?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Wizard of Oz
  314. MPJ says:
    @Ron Unz

    I won’t disagree that the implications of your origins claims are explosive and that people are deathly scared of talking about it. But do you not think that IF the vaccine itself is dangerous, which many of us “anti-vaxxers” believe, and that IF it has killed and injured so many people and worldwide, that the vaccine is a story as big as the origins itself?

    Maybe the covid researchers/podcasters regard your claim about vaccine safety or at least your flippant attitude towards its serious adverse effects to be entirely unjustified? Something that renders your claims about origins or anything else by extension to be unworthy of any further consideration.

    If you regard yourself as more politically or geopolitically savvy and aware than the average podcaster, they regard themselves as WAY more medically aware about the vaccine itself and about the workings and corruption of Big Pharma and regulatory agencies in the U.S, than you.

    Anyway, what you fail to see and/or admit is that neither issue, origins or vaccine safety or the agenda behind it, is mutually exclusive. I’d argue that the vaccine issue has far more explanatory power in explaining almost all aspects of the pandemic than the origins story which explain just the origins. How the vaccine seems to be pivotal to the pandemic response by the establishments has been covered extensively here by many commenters.

    Nevertheless, I’ll reach out to Kirsch and Weinstein and try my luck. I’m a nobody to them but since you asked, I will do so. Don’t hold your breath though for a response.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  315. MPJ says:
    @Bumpkin

    Couldn’t agree more. Ron’s tactics are the exact same as his origins detractors.

  316. Mr. Unz no doubt means well in trying to attribute the pandemic to a “virus” purposefully unleashed as a weapon against China and Iran by the War State of the USSA. After all, t’s not like doing so would violate the scruples of such people. Just look at history.

    What I object to is the abandonment by Mr. Unz (and most other commentators) of reason.

    [MORE]

    If there were a government agency and Establishment charged with the mission of proving the mathematical cause and source of Existence, the mathematics would be complex. Math PhD’s would be paid big salaries to develop the mathematical superstructure of Existence. An Establishment funded by tax dollars and structured around coercion would promote and advance such mathematical theorizing; awe struck citizen-subjects would defer to Establishment “proof” about Existence.

    But someone with the ability to think critically identifies a problem with the dazzling mathematical “proof”. The entire proof stands on a proposition that 2+2=5. The critical thinker wonders, “Is this true? I should check this.” So, the thinker gathers 4 pool balls and counts them out as such: one TWO….three Four. Two plus two is FOUR, so two plus two can never be five. So the entire mathematical proof is false.

    Mathematical establishment experts respond with ad hominem attacks: the critical thinker has no higher math degree, all mathematical experts uphold the proof, this is dangerous disinformation, etc. None address the obvious problem that since 2+2 is 4, not 5, the Establishment Proof is pseudo-science.

    This is what is wrong with virology, a government program from inception. They pretend to prove “infection” without first isolating and characterizing any “virion”, by poisoning with antibiotics and starving the cell culture to be “infected”. When one so prepares a cell culture and then inoculates that with “infected snot” or whatever, days later cells die. But when one poisons and starves an identical cell culture WITHOUT INOCULATING WITH “INFECTED SNOT cells also die.

    Virologists and their defender’s scorn those who point out this problem and numerous other logical problems with “virus theory”. They never EVER directly address the problems, just as establishment math experts never address the fact that 2 + 2 is 4.

    Ignoring this giant and obvious problem with virology is irrational–a renunciation of reason. That is bad behavior. “Good intentions” are irrelevant, because Mr. Unz can think, if he so chooses.

    Which is more important: grooming a pet idea and promoting its advancement, even though it is fatally flawed? Or upholding reason and exposing massive fraud and philosophical irrationalism?

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  317. @Ron Unz

    I rather think that the mounting evidence of a crash in the birth-rate in a number (and growing)of countries may point to the real ambition of our Masters. Population reduction of the ‘useless eaters’ by demographic attrition, not massacre. ‘Children of Men’, leaps to mind.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  318. @A123

    I am ever impressed by the sheer Evil of your Zionazi hive-mind.

  319. @Wizard of Oz

    I do think that you, dear Wizz, and A123 are a match made in, if not Heaven, then in another transcendental abode, but one with less pleasant weather.

  320. geokat62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    Sachs is an ultra-respectable…

    Yes, indeed… especially by the Russian people who managed to survive the 90s. He’s ultra admired by them.

  321. @Mark Humphrey

    What I object to is the abandonment by Mr. Unz (and most other commentators) of reason.

    … sounds like we done gonna have us a hoedown.

    If there were a government agency and Establishment charged with the mission of proving the mathematical cause and source of Existence, the mathematics would be complex.

    1. Any mathematics, being embedded in and derived from the substrate of material reality, can at best only serve to substantiate the basis of Existence, not its cause.

    [MORE]

    2. The mathematice is not complex at all – in fact, its simplicity is Divine — [ 0 ≠ 1 ].

    The effort to use “mathematics” or “science” to uncover the mystery of Existence is all a bit circular – something along philosophical lines might be more suited to the task.

    Anyway, misfit of the analogy notwithstanding, we get your point, which boils down to…

    Which is more important: grooming a pet idea and promoting its advancement, even though it is fatally flawed? Or upholding reason and exposing massive fraud and philosophical irrationalism?

    On the one hand, FWIW I agree with the basic premise of your position.

    Pushing a deficient theory in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary is a species of deception (both to self and others) – in the same vein (though nowhere near the same level of culpability) as the intentionally malevolent deluge of BS propaganda spread globally by the Satanic Globalists, their owned politicians and media organs, vested corporate interests and legions of assorted stooges against the best interests of the people for the past few years (actually, much longer than that – but let’s just stick with the present).

    On the other hand, that’s not what Mr. Unz is doing. Mr. Unz is just trying to publicize his personal research findings on what he believes is the genesis of the alleged “Corona Chan” pandemic, and TBH I believe that he has a compelling case.

    I don’t accept that Mr. Unz’ thesis captures the whole truth of the matter, in the same way that someone focused on “who was really behind the Maidan massacre of 2014” would not be addressing the follow-on developments for the next 8 years that have precipitated Russia’s Special Military Operation in Ukraine now in 2022 – although both events are intimately related, and taken together have far greater implications for the planet and its people than just the initiating event considered in isolation.

    But it is what it is – and Mr. Unz is entitled to his personal point of view on matters which fall outside the purview of his strictly limited assessment of the origins of the alleged Corona Chan bug and alleged “pandemic”.

    There are numerous other researchers who have done their own due diligence on the subject and provided equally compelling perspectives on exactly who and what are behind all the Corona Chan mayhem and its ultimate purpose – Dr. David Martin and Dr. Reiner Fuellmich are two very good examples – but they cannot complete the picture if taken in isolation. The puzzle consists of many pieces, and none of us are privy to all of them (except maybe a certain non-descript door-to-door shoe salesman and his handlers).

    Credit where credit is due.

  322. A123 says: • Website

    nonetheless, not a single one of them has ever used the phrase “biowarfare attack” in even a single private note to me. They can think it, but they can’t say it—it’s too explosive. .. Assuming my hypothesis is correct, this might be about the biggest story in the history of the world, with World War II the only clear rival

    Mr. Unz,

    How deep is the Rabbit Hole ? (1)

    Steven Hoffenberg, known mentor to Jeffrey Epstein and a convicted Ponzi schemer, was found dead in an apartment in Derby, Connecticut on Friday morning. Police could not identify the body initially due to extreme decomposition over the course of at least seven days. The cause of death has not been released but autopsy reports indicate no signs of trauma.

    A private investigator for a woman who identified herself as a sexual assault victim of Epstein’s called police and requested a welfare check at the multifamily home on Tuesday, she had not heard from Hoffenberg for five days and that was unusual, police said.

    It should be noted that this suggests that Hoffenberg was in fact in contact with one of Epstein’s alleged victims for an extended period of time leading up to his death.

    Combined with this from 2021, just last year: (2)

    Veteran Alabama reporter and anchor Christopher Sign, who previously worked in Phoenix for more than a decade, was found dead by the local Hoover police Saturday morning, according to Hoover Police Department Capt. Keith Czeskleba.

    Sign broke the news of a 2016 meeting between former President Bill Clinton, whose wife Hillary Clinton at the time was running for president and was being investigated by the FBI, and the then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch at the Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport tarmac. At the time, their meeting was cast as a potential conflict of interest.

    Would you like to suggest a very tangible reason why people are disinclined to cross The Mafioso Hillary Clinton? And, her #NeverTrump co-conspirators?

    ______

    I sincerely believe the primary reason you cannot obtain any traction is that smart, honest people grasp the seriousness of a WMD (biologic) first strike. No one will say “American Attack” or “biowarfare attack” as those are actions are *literally* Acts of War .

    Those phrases should not exist with a full congressional Declaration of War. Alas, the War Powers Act is law. Those terms cannot exist without at least Executive Branch authorization.

    Among smart, honest people the concept of an “Unauthorized WMD (biologic) American Attack / First Strike” is a non starter. If you want a WMD (biologic) attack concept to obtain traction outside this venue you have to make an exclusionary choice “Unauthorized” *or* “American/Authorized”.

    I respectfully suggest you should view this as an Opportunity, Not a Burden.

    A not-American, or better yet anti-American, conspiracy does not have to be crippled by the highly implausible, virtually impossible, Fort Detrick as Source blocker. A global, anti-American/anti-Trump conspiracy could obtain the active material from anywhere.

    The individuals who loathe Donald Trump, America, and MAGA, are filled with almost unimaginable, rabid, mouth frothing, rage. Burning the entire planet to stop Trump’s 2nd term is very believable.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mentor-jeffrey-epstein-found-dead-connecticut-apartment

    (2) https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2021/06/13/former-phoenix-reporter-who-broke-clinton-lynch-tarmac-story-dies/7679503002/

  323. Ron Unz says:
    @MPJ

    Ron, if I may ask, what’s your view on who did 9/11?

    Gee, not only are you a gullible and ignorant anti-vaxxer, but a very lazy one as well. I’ve written several long articles on exactly that subject, one of which I referenced in the third paragraph of a recent article, so why don’t you take a look and decide for yourself:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/alex-jones-cass-sunstein-and-cognitive-infiltration/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/seeking-9-11-truth-after-twenty-years/

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  324. Ron Unz says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    I rather think that the mounting evidence of a crash in the birth-rate in a number (and growing)of countries may point to the real ambition of our Masters.

    Anti-vaxxers have regularly raised that birth-rate crash issue, but a few months ago I looked at the global statistics, and there didn’t seem much relationship to the widespread vaxxing using Western vaccines. Some of the sharpest drops occurred in countries not using Western vaccines, and some of the countries using Western vaccines showed little drop.

    The drop is pretty clearly related to the economic problems and social disruption rather than the use of mRNA vaccines.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  325. @Ron Unz

    thank you, ron unz. this podcast deserves a thread of its own.

  326. @MPJ

    I don’t know how anyone can be so lazy. When you don’t even have to pay to read Ron’s million words or so of text and links you fail to devote the week or so which is all of your valueless time you would need to follow Ron’s tortuous course to whatever he thinks now about 9/11.

    It took me less than an hour to be reminded of this gem

    In a Counterpunch article, I’d discovered that immediately following the attacks, the supposed terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden had publicly denied any involvement, even declaring that no good Muslim would have committed such deeds.

    Once I checked around a little and fully confirmed that fact, I was flabbergasted. 9/11 was not only the most successful terrorist attack in the history of the world, but may have been greater in its physical magnitude than all past terrorist operations combined. The entire purpose of terrorism is to allow a small organization to show the world that it can inflict serious losses upon a powerful state, and I had never previously heard of any terrorist leader denying his role in a successful operation, let alone the greatest in history. Something seemed extremely wrong in the media-generated narrative that I had previously accepted. I began to wonder if I had been as deluded as the tens of millions of Americans in 2003 and 2004 who naively believed that Saddam had been the mastermind behind the September 11th attacks.

    Ron has never admitted that this genesis for his interest 10 or more years ago was absurd since ObL had to fear being given up by Mullah Omar if he didn’t play his pious Muslim card. Also that he had not the slightest need to boast of Al Qaeda achievements as Amrricans would do it for him.

    After that down the rabbit hole further and further in search of Mossad and neocons. After reading a number of books while still in his sneering at videos phase he came up with the idea that analytically the whole 9/11 truth issue could be divided analyticallly into the How and the Why and that he could pass on from the How because, at different times, he said there were at least 20 or hundreds of anomalies in the “official story” which made it clearly false.

    He never articulated the How case as far as I know. Just handwaving and moving to the Jewish and neocon sources of evil. I have conceded that it is quite possible to believe that Israel/Mossad knew more about the jihadist Arab hijackers than they successfully alerted the White Hiuse or relevant American agencies to but that’s it OK at some stage they may have even facilitated some of what the Arabs did like getting into flying schools in the US No more even made to seem probable.

    I’m afraid Ron is left looking like a credulous believer in the clever plotters making an aircraft full of passengers disappear and a rocket, instead of the plane, hitting the Pentagon. And he is required to argue that WTC 1 and 2 were prepared for demolition which couldn’t have been caused by fire-weakening and gravity?

    Yes, really 😎

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  327. Ron Unz is to be commended for carrying on in response to contrary arguments.

    Nevertheless he still constructs fantastical epicycles.

    I showed in my last comment with direct quotation that Sachs considers the alternatives wet market or lab leak. Unz says Sachs hasn’t said the phrase “lab leak” recently. I’m going to check that claim later, and I wish I could lay a bet on finding Unz wrong, and I count synonymous constructions, such as “accident” as wrong.

    Unz says Sachs “never directs even a hint of blame towards the Chinese or the Wuhan lab.” In my previous comment that he is responding to I quoted Sachs who blames both Americans and Chinese for the scientific hubris that may have have resulted in a “lab accident”(!): “A broad spectrum of coronavirus research work was done…in Wuhan (including groups at Wuhan University and the Wuhan CDC, as well as WIV).

    In my previous comment I quote Sachs as follows. “We’ve got two rival hypotheses here…if this really came out of scientific research by accident – by the way nobody I know of, seriously, nobody, nobody seriously views this as intentional, if it did come out of a lab it was an accident, and I take that view entirely…”

    Nobody I know of. Seriously, nobody. Nobody seriously views this as intentional. I take that view entirely. So says Sachs.

    Unz takes Sachs’ firm denial of deliberate biowarfare as evidence that Sachs is hiding something!!! This is unfalsifiable evidence: if Sachs says biowarfare, then it’s biowarfare; if Sachs says not biowarfare then it’s biowarfare.

    Finally, Unz says he regularly talks with important people. Not one of them has used the phrase “biowarfare,” but Unz knows that is what they are thinking! Again: if important people say biowarfare it’s biowarfare, if important people don’t say biowarfare it’s still biowarfare. If I were one of these friendly insiders and was talking to Unz about this I’d be politely vague in response to his isolated views.

    By the way this is the way some (not all) Straussians are able to interpret most of political thought as an exoteric statement of the single esoteric truth that only the few in history, Strauss, and his students are permitted to know. If any statement in a coherent text can be read as it is written, or as its clandestine negation, then the text can be convincingly interpreted in a thousand different ways.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman, A123
    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  328. @New Dealer

    Exactly, New Dealer. Every time I read a source that Mr. Unz says supports his theory, I find out it DOESN’T. None of them completely refute it – though Mr. Sacks’ insistence here that it wasn’t intentional does so via his opinion.

    This is why I quit reading most of the long articles on his theory. I’m pointed to a source, I read it, and think, “so what?”

    Face it, he’s too deep into this one to quit now.

    • Agree: New Dealer
  329. @Ron Unz

    I have concluded that you cannot trust Ron Unz’s evidentiary analyses and assertions. I have been arguing that his claims that his rogue-neocon hypothesis is tacitly supported by Jeff Sachs and other “important people” are not justified.

    He has responded with consistent equivocation and falsehood, and in his most recent entry with hallucinaton. He claimed that he could read the minds of Sachs et al. who publicly support the lab-leak hypothesis. They secretly agree with him but for some reason won’t say so to him or to the public.

    Most outrageously, when I provided direct quotation from Sachs in Current Affairs that he firmly rejects deliberate biowarfare (presumably by China or USA), Unz responded:

    I’d already emphasized that the only two theories promoted in the MSM are “natural virus” and “accidental lab-leak,” so that’s what Sachs probably assumed three months ago, when he provided that quote….

    But he avoids saying “lab-leak” anywhere in his hour-long RFK interview or his long Current Affairs interview. He never directs even a hint of blame towards the Chinese or the Wuhan lab, while he emphasizes the massive cover-up of the true Covid origins being maintained by the American government….

    Always check the footnotes. Lab leak was endorsed by RFKjr in the first sentence of the podcast. Sachs immediately says he agrees, and says “lab leak” by minute 5.

    https://www.jeffsachs.org/interviewsandmedia/42e9ferc84jsdc3h76srlypk5mztfl

    RFKjr: …Your belief is that the best evidence is that the Covid-19 virus came from a Chinese lab and it was based on US funded technology and I would have to agree with you on that….
    1:35

    JS: …You put it clearly…I assumed it was yet another one of these so-called zoonoses…05:3] I was not in any way on the lab leak side in the beginning… over the period of two years I was lied to so many times [fired Daszak]….none of them have told the truth….something is really really wrong about this…09:00 what is clear about this is that there are two viable hypotheses, and one of them is out of a lab and there is nothing outlandish about it at all, and in fact like you said I think it is the odds-on explanation….

    ….18:00]People started to explain to me…what the research in the US and Wuhan which is dangerous….he was lying to me about many things….[Daszak clique repeatedly lied and trashed Sachs].…NIH grants around Tony Fauci and his group….I find it pretty low-life…[Daszak, Baric at UNC, Wuhan group, DEFUSE proposal]…32:20 a lot of this work is around the biowfare highly classified environment…it’s because of Fauci’s biodefense portfolio…

    RFKJr: An intelligence officer shows up at one of those meetings and says We cannot investigate Wuhan because US intelligence agencies were funding the work over there.

    I do not know why Unz is repeatedly making untrue claims, but I do know that he is.

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  330. joreg says:

    Well articulared narrative

  331. Levtraro says:
    @MPJ

    I won’t disagree that the implications of your origins claims are explosive and that people are deathly scared of talking about it. But do you not think that IF the vaccine itself is dangerous, which many of us “anti-vaxxers” believe, and that IF it has killed and injured so many people and worldwide, that the vaccine is a story as big as the origins itself?

    No. The story of the mRNA substances is not nearly as big as the story of the origin of the virus IF Ron Unz is correct with his theory.

    The story of the mRNA substances is run-of-the-mill greed and mismanagement by well-placed actors and gullibility and docility of the populace. There are many examples of that, perhaps on a lesser scale.

    The story of the origin of the virus on the other hand is potentially a story of a declining great power carrying out an act of war against an ascending power in a cowardly and incompetent manner leading to substantial blowback.

    Having said that, I don’t think any of those stories is as explosive as Ron Unz and you think. I told Ron Unz in the comments of his previous article that even if American operatives or decision-makers confessed on having released the virus on China and Iran, the only thing that would happen is that the US govt and the MSM would blame Trump. In fact the MSM is starting to blame Trump for COVID mRNA substances. Next, if need arise, they will blame Trump for COVID itself.

  332. @Ron Unz

    “However, aside from myself, virtually no one else in the Western media has been making that obvious point. If you can find examples in the alternative media, please pass them along.”

    ‘Western media’ and ‘alternative media’ are amorphous concepts. But this is what one of America’s top cardiologists, Peter McCullough, recently said to the United Healthcare Workers of Michigan:

    https://rumble.com/v1dgd7p-dr.-peter-a.-mccullough-united-for-healthcare-summit-2022.html

    [MORE]

    00:08:43 “… the two most important references that basically indicate that this was man-made. That this was formed. The papers are actually from University of North Carolina Chapel Hill. The vast majority of the authors here are actually not Chinese. And so, reading the literature on this starting back from 2006 forward, this virus was intentionally modified with a fusion of a bat spike protein and the human coronavirus, in order to make this spike protein far more invasive and lethal. And in these papers you’re seeing NC Chapel Hill was actually using animals that had a human epithelial lining in the respiratory tract, actually by design, to try to make the virus infect human cells. It’s right in the papers, you can just read it. This isn’t a conjecture. And right along with it is the development of vaccines. So in each one of these papers, they go back — there’s actually one at U. Texas medical branch in Galveston, where the first author is saying, where side by side they’re trying to modify the virus and make a vaccine for it. Modify the virus, make a [garbled] vaccine for it. It’s in the published literature. This was funded by the National Institutes of Health division called BARDA, which is actually a biosafety division. And then there’s a Dept. of Defense division called DARPA. These are the same divisions that actually funded the vaccine manufacturers. My read on this is that some of the experimental work was done in China, but some was done in the United States. Very few Chinese investigators… this appears to be a US operation. I want you to understand — the vast majority of people on these signature lines here are American citizens.”

    00:52:33 “Anything that could possibly help people, our government has suppressed. Our government! Not the vaccine companies, our government. This is starting to sound like a government operation. Honestly, it really is.”

    01:02:01 “It looks to me based on the original publications from UNC Chapel Hill, what came out of Wuhan China, how the vaccine was being developed concurrently with the virus, with the planning events — In Peter Breggin’s book ‘Covid-19 and the Global Predators’ there’s 36 coronavirus pandemic preparedness meetings. Thirty-six. Twenty-five of them generated documents you can look at, and six of them were face-to-face meetings. So our current white house coordinator for Covid — the guy who went up against me in the US Senate — he was at the planning meeting in 2019, where they’re planning for this. So was Gates Foundation. So was the Chinese CDC. They were at the planning meeting! ‘It’s gonna happen.’ Okay. It’s all there. This is all in the open. The threat and the vaccine. And by the way there’s a concurrent development of Smallpox–Monkeypox; the threat and the vaccine. They’re being developed together. Aspergillus spores. The threat and the response. That’s BARDA and DARPA. This appears to be a US operation is what I’m telling you. And that’s the reason why there is such wonderful control through the medical systems, through the medical boards. You can imagine the Chinese or Pfizer-Moderna, they couldn’t have the power that the US government does through what’s called ‘Emergency Countermeasures’.”

    01:13:29
    “Peter Breggin’s book is the encyclopedic timeline, the timeline of how the virus was devised, how the research was done, with the vaccines concomitantly with the virus. How this was all planned. There’s a timeline. He’s got 1,100 references, and they are pinpoint. There are papers stating that SARS-COV2 is a bioweapon. It actually meets the definition in the published literature. There’s three papers cited on this. Three papers. This is what’s going on. The two threats were the infection and now the vaccine. It’s like a double hit, basically.”

    If that doesn’t qualify for you as ‘media’, well, McCullough has quite a lead on you in viewing numbers (not to mention credentials):

    01:08:15 “I set all records on Joe Rogan… this was a breakthrough interview. This, and I’ve had Tucker Carlson, I’ve gone on Daystar three times. Daystar is bigger by the way. Rogan I think I had nearly, in the end with all the Rumbles and repeats and stuff, we hit about half the nation, 160 million with Rogan… But when I go on Daystar, which is the largest Christian broadcasting network, and it’s out of Dallas. They have 200 million paid subscribers worldwide. 145 countries. They estimate about 3 people watch it per show, so that’s 600 million per view.”

    • Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin
  333. @Rumpelstiltskin

    Another. Steve Kirsch may not have a podcast, but he does have a good following and he is doing podcasts. He published one he did with leading American pathologist Ryan Cole on August 12, 2022.
    https://rumble.com/v1fsq9h-ryan-cole-on-how-to-identify-a-person-killed-by-the-covid-vaccine.html

    49:42 Kirsch: “The virus. Everything I have seen says this virus was created in a lab, and it’s tied to US labs. And professor Jeffrey Sachs who was head of the committee to investigat the source of the virus, his conclusion was, ‘as far as we can tell this thing was manufactured in a US biolab.’ And now the United States doesn’t want to pursue it anymore to see exactly where and who… Why didn’t anybody in Congress ask for Tony Fauci’s unredacted emails? … Because any democratic committee chairman can send a letter to the NIH requesting Tony Fauci’s unredacted emails, and get it. The Republicans can’t, because they’re not committee chairmen. But the Democrats can get the unredacted emails and we would see exactly what happened…”

    Dr. Cole: “There are sequences in that spike protein, like the furin cleavage site, that’s not–you don’t find that in nature…in this family of viruses.”

    Kirsch: “But you do find it in a 2015/2016 Moderna patent.”

    Cole: “Yes, you do.”

    Kirsch: “So you find it only in a Moderna patent, on a vaccine for SARS-COV2, that was done years before the virus gets released. And ALSO, you have, Stefan Bancel is the CEO of Moderna. But he had a business partner. His business partner was involved in the construction of the Wuhan Institute of Virology… Nobody’s talking about this stuff, Ryan.”

    Cole: “Everybody blames it on China, but this was gain-of-function research occurring in Baric’s lab in North Carolina [Kirsch: that we funded!] yeah, that we funded [Kirsch: And Tony funded it!] Right, and then he has an interest on the board of Moderna, and he has an interest at the NIH and the monies going back, etc. And again, basic sequencing tells you, okay, natural virus, unnatural, natural, unnatural, engineered. And other inserts within the viral spike sequence don’t belong in the coronavirus family. So it’s clearly biologically manipulated experimentally. And, you know, intentionally released, accidentally, who knows? Nobody can prove that yet. Nobody’s looking. Or maybe they are and not telling us. I don’t know. But at the end of the day… there are conflicts of interest galore, and then they’re being swept under the rug… The answers ARE available, if people are truthful and transparent. But they’re not. And these agencies have not been truthful and transparent. The science and the communications could clearly answer these questions.”

    Kirsch: “And nobody wants to know the answers to these questions on the Democrat side, on the Whitehouse side.”

    • Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin
    , @A123
  334. @Rumpelstiltskin

    And then there’s this commentary from UK-based doctor Philippe van Welbergen, who’s new to me:
    https://rumble.com/v111kzr-dr.-philippe-van-welbergen-part-two-the-blood-slides-12-february-2022.html

    00:08:27 “This is a manufactured, it is an engineered virus. It is NOT, it never was, a naturally occurring virus. This thing was engineered in the Moderna lab with Gates’ money. He patented this man-made form and then shipped it… whilst it was in Wuhan, the so-called virus, the not-naturally-occurring virus, but a manmade construct, was then subjected to further engineering to enable it to jump species and to infect humans. And THEN it was released.”

    So if you’re not hearing people talk about the origin of Covid then you’re listening to the wrong people; perhaps due to your ‘Anti-Vaxxer Derangement Syndrome’ (AVDS)?

    Based on McCullough’s word, Peter Breggin is the man you should talk to. And I bet Steve Kirsch would help set it up if necessary. Others who, like Breggin, have done extensive work tracing the patent trail for the SARS-COV2 virus are eminent scientist Peter Fleming and (your favorite) David Martin. I’ve linked to those sources in previous comments going back to Nov ’21:
    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/excess-deaths-point-to-depopulation-agenda/?showcomments#comment-4993077
    https://www.unz.com/runz/vaxxing-conspiracies-and-700000-rumble-views/?showcomments#comment-5449677

    Dr. Mercola (another one off the Unz radar due to AVDS, no doubt) interviewed Breggin in Sept. of 2021 (transcript):
    https://undercurrents723949620.wordpress.com/2021/09/19/the-plan-to-destroy-western-civilization/

    It’s seemed likely since early on that SARS-COV2 was engineered, and enough professionals have long since weighed in to confirm that. Likewise, observing all the lies and utterly misguided public health response ‘mis-steps’, intentional release has also seemed like a very good bet for a long time.

    If you really believe that most critics of the Covid gene jabs think the virus is natural or accidentally released, well… I don’t have the data to prove you’re wrong, but it seems very likely.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Ron Unz
  335. A123 says: • Website
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    “The virus. Everything I have seen says this virus was created in a lab, and it’s tied to US labs. And professor Jeffrey Sachs who was head of the committee to investigat the source of the virus, his conclusion was, ‘as far as we can tell this thing was manufactured in a US biolab.’

    Kirsch is repeating a badly mangled non-quote.

    Actually, Sachs referred to U.S. technology. At least in part, that technology is a patent that was filed, publicly disclosed, and available globally. Here is the key test, “Explain the difference in a experimental virus if it is from? ”

    — U.S. Design BSL4 lab (e.g. Fort Detrick)
    — France Design BSL4 lab (e.g. WIV)

    There is no difference. Someone through negligence (or malice) misquoted Sachs. And, that misquote has run rampant.
    ___

    Here is the much better, direct information:

    RFKjr: …Your belief is that the best evidence is that the Covid-19 virus came from a Chinese lab and it was based on US funded technology and I would have to agree with you on that….
    1:35

    JS: …You put it clearly…I assumed it was yet another one of these so-called zoonoses…05:3] I was not in any way on the lab leak side in the beginning… over the period of two years I was lied to so many times [fired Daszak]….none of them have told the truth….something is really really wrong about this…09:00 what is clear about this is that there are two viable hypotheses, and one of them is out of a lab and there is nothing outlandish about it at all, and in fact like you said I think it is the odds-on explanation…

    Sachs explicitly indictates that a Chinese lab is the “odds-on explanation”.

    PEACE 😇

  336. geokat62 says:
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    Others who, like Breggin, have done extensive work tracing the patent trail for the SARS-COV2 virus are eminent scientist Peter Fleming…

    You’re probably referring to the honourable Dr Richard Fleming?

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Rumpelstiltskin
  337. A123 says: • Website
    @geokat62

    How about Ian Fleming?

        • Dr. Covid / 1962
        • From Covid with Love / 1963
        • Covid Is Forever / 1971
        • The Man with the Golden Covid / 1974

    PEACE 😇

  338. @geokat62

    Oops! Lol. Thanks for catching that.

  339. @A123

    Thanks for the clarification. Agreed, sloppy wording from Kirsch, and it is important. I was focused on refuting Mr. Unz’s view that no one is talking about the origin question, and so wasn’t paying any attention to how Kirsch presented Sachs’ view.

    • Thanks: A123
    • Replies: @A123
  340. I’m sure Ron will be mentioning this himself soon, maybe even before this posts, but he’s got a new article of sorts out (under Announcements), where he says things like:

    My entire knowledge of Sachs’ views is based upon his public statements, and he has never suggested the deliberate biowarfare attack hypothesis that I have been publicly proposing for more than two years. But I do find it quite intriguing that nowhere in any of his lengthy, extended discussions does he ever direct any blame towards China for creating the virus nor does he even mention the Wuhan lab, the alleged site of the supposed Covid lab-leak…

    Sachs is a public figure of the highest establishment reputation and it would be grossly improper for him to even hint at an explosive hypothesis such as my own unless and until far more solid evidence became available. Moreover, he is currently playing an absolutely crucial role in using his reputation to draw attention to the bioengineered nature of the Covid virus and the massive ongoing attempt by the media and scientific communities to conceal that reality, so provoking any additional controversies would be a fatal distraction.

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/prof-jeffrey-sachs-on-the-covid-origins-cover-up/

    • Replies: @New Dealer
  341. @A123

    The badly mangled quote originated from an unusually dishonest Daily Mail article back around May. I linked it somewhere upthread. Headline said something like Xi apologist blames US. The body of the text though contradicted the headline. Picked up by a few dozen alt websites including Unz himself. (Search for Jeffrey Sachs lab leak). Also IIRC echoed by Iran Russia China?

    • Thanks: A123
  342. A123 says: • Website
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    Thanks,

    Though in fairness I must offer full credit to @New_Dealer. I cribbed his research from #337.

    PEACE 😇

  343. @Random Anonymous

    Read comments 335 and 337 my friend.

    • Replies: @Random Anonymous
  344. @New Dealer

    Thanks, but I’m not sure what your point is. I already skimmed them, and skimmed Ron’s new piece. My impression is that in his new piece Ron is partially walking back what he has said previously about Sachs, in response to criticisms such as yours. However, I just glanced while working, so I could be mistaken.

  345. Ron Unz says:
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    So if you’re not hearing people talk about the origin of Covid then you’re listening to the wrong people; perhaps due to your ‘Anti-Vaxxer Derangement Syndrome’ (AVDS)?

    Thanks for those recent references to McCullough and Kirsch, and it does sound like Jeffrey Sachs’ very high-profile public statements in the last few weeks have finally gotten some of the anti-vaxxers saying that the Covid virus was likely American in origin. But I was talking about something a little more specific than what they seem to be saying, and actually much simpler.

    Since early 2020, there’s been a huge amount of “chatter” on the Internet claiming that Covid was artificial, but until very recently probably 99% of that “chatter” claimed it was a Chinese virus produced at the Wuhan lab, which then accidentally leaked out, starting the epidemic. You could probably find thousands or tens of thousands of blog posts or Tweets taking this position.

    A few pro-China propaganda-activists have claimed that Covid was actually created in America and then accidentally leaked out of Ft. Detrick, but then mysteriously jumped over to Wuhan for some reason. And a few anti-globalization activists have claimed that China, America, and most of the world governments together developed Covid and released it worldwide for some nefarious purposes. Those references you provided seem to almost fall into this category, or at least they don’t seem to explain how an American virus somehow got out and infected Wuhan on the opposite side of the world.

    My narrative is much simpler. The American government has spent 70 years and something like $100 billion on its biowarfare capabilities and regarded China as our most formidable international adversary. Therefore, elements of the American government deliberately released Covid in a biowarfare attack against China, hitting the leadership of our other enemy Iran very soon afterwards.

    The whole story is extremely simple and there’s actually a great deal of evidence supporting it. I presented nearly all that evidence in my original April 2020 article and everything that’s come out since then has merely strengthened the case:

    https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/

    If you can find anyone else out there who’s been claiming that the Covid outbreak was probably due to a deliberate American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran), please let me know. But I didn’t see any of that in the passages you quoted. Still, it’s nice to discover that Sachs’ revelations have finally gotten some of the anti-vaxxers interested in the origins of the virus itself rather than just the vaccines.

    • Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin
  346. Ron Unz says:
    @A123

    Sachs explicitly indictates that a Chinese lab is the “odds-on explanation”.

    I strongly disagree and it’s easy to understand why Kirsch, the Daily Mail, and most other individuals have concurred with my interpretation of Sachs rather than yours. I discussed some of this in my new column, focused entirely on Sachs:

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/prof-jeffrey-sachs-on-the-covid-origins-cover-up/

    First, Sachs is a very high-profile American academic, an absolute insider who served as chairman of the Covid Commission. It would be exceptionally risky and even dangerous for him to adopt my public position and say that the Covid outbreak was due to an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran). Even just explicitly saying that Covid was produced in an American lab would be going much too far, since people would then naturally ask “But how did it get to China and Iran?”

    Furthermore, Sachs right now is very courageously deploying his public standing and his authority to establish that the Covid virus was bioengineered rather than natural. Given the 100% opposition he currently faces from the political/media establishment, that’s a very difficult task, and the last thing he should be doing is risking his effort by discussing even more outlandish “conspiracy theories.” All of that can wait.

    Consider the current media landscape. Over the last couple of years, probably 99+% of all the articles arguing that Covid is artificial have claimed that it was a Chinese virus that leaked from the Wuhan lab, and that’s the context in which we have to interpret Sachs’ remarks.

    Now just read Sachs long interviews or listen to his podcasts with an open mind. He barely even talks about China and never once mentions the Wuhan lab. Probably 95% of his discussion is about American biolab technology, American biowarfare capabilities, American military/intelligence funding, and an American orchestrated cover-up of the true origins of the virus.

    For example, Daszak was funded by the Pentagon and I think Sachs even says that Daszak’s links to biolabs worldwide (including Wuhan) were just part of a US espionage operation. The Covid precursor virus probably came from the Wuhan lab, and we can now easily guess how it got to America.

    Sachs is obviously a very smart guy. Everything he’s saying is absolutely correct and any implications have plausible-deniability, so that no one can possibly attack him for promoting “crazy conspiracy theories.” But it’s also pretty clear what happens when anyone objectively connect the dots, including Kirsch and the Daily Mail reporter.

    Sachs’ Kennedy interview runs an hour and I’d guess the transcript would be something like 8,000 words long. You managed to locate a couple of ambiguous sentences that you believe support your interpretation of his meaning. But anyone reading or listening to the entirety would immediately see that 95% of what he says supports my interpretation.

    Sachs is handling a very tricky situation exactly the right way, and all the high-end friends of mine who’ve been following his interviews feel the same.

  347. @Wizard of Oz

    You accusing others of being credulous takes the prize for global humbug. If a plane hit the Pentagon, where did its wreckage go? How did it perform an impossible maneuvre before hitting the building, allegedly at the control of a talentless novice pilot? How did dastardly ‘al Qaeda’ (itself a US creation) cause the ONLY steel-framed buildings to ever collapse, to fall into their foot-prints at gravitational acceleration? How were the ‘dancing Israelis’ ready and filming in Liberty Park as the first plane hit, then celebrated wildly? Are you REALLY this stupid, or would your social life collapse if you grew a brain?

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  348. @New Dealer

    I suppose I have to withdraw my light
    hearted and somewhat lightweight suggestion that Ron give space to a fellow heretic Eric Lerner who has recently returned to the no Big Bang (or Dark Matter or Dark Energy) school of a Nobel Prize winner who offered an alternative explanation for knownphenomena. So why not here where I may be read by those who will enjoy this from one of the articles countering Lerner’s recent attempt to say that the Webb Space telescope was turning up evidence to support him (a kind of Sachsian intervention perhaps).

    Why would one state, “The Big Bang never

    happened?”

    There are some people that seem to have it baked into their bones to disagree with whatever it is that everyone else thinks, regardless of whatever it is that the evidence shows. In science, this can be a healthy attitude if done correctly, as it’s frequently up to us to be our own harshest critics. Whatever hypotheses we have, it’s up to us to try and knock them down, to scrutinize their various aspects closely and scrupulously, and to look for any discrepancies that might poke holes in the standard, accepted picture.

    But there’s a cardinal sin you absolutely must not commit: you cannot ignore the full suite of evidence at hand, particularly the bits that contradict your own position, while focusing on just a few cherry-picked pieces of evidence that support it. This is the hallmark of unscrupulous contrarians, crackpots, and heretics everywhere, as well as those who support long-discredited theories.

    • The one asserting that “The Big Bang never happened” in this latest recent viral… messy situation, let’s politely call it, is Eric Lerner, a longtime advocate of an alternative cosmology to the mainstream, known either as a plasma cosmology or the electric universe.

    That’s from

    https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/has-jwst-disproven-big-bang/

    If you want something more substantial on the Science look at

    https://www.inverse.com/science/the-latest-webb-observations-dont-disprove-the-big-bang-but-they-are-interesting

  349. @mulga mumblebrain

    If a plane hit the Pentagon, where did its wreckage go?

    Occam’s Razor says – it was a cruise missile flying low to the ground which punched that neat 15-foot hole in the Pentagon’s outer wall (before the overhead structure later collapsed), while leaving all adjacent windows undamaged and not the slightest shred of disturbance or any wreckage whatsoever outside of that mysterious 15-foot hole.

    What little video evidence was not confiscated and hidden away forever by the FBI also supports this.

    If nothing else, plain old common sense screams that no big old jet airliner hit the Pentagon on that fateful day. Ergo, anyone swallowing the official story is seriously lacking in common sense.

    [MORE]

    How did it perform an impossible maneuvre before hitting the building, allegedly at the control of a talentless novice pilot?

    Occam’s Razor says – it didn’t, because it didn’t have to, because it wasn’t actually there in the first place.

    And that cruise missile didn’t have to do any maneuvering at all – just a linear low-altitude trajectory straight to the target.

    How did dastardly ‘al Qaeda’ (itself a US creation) cause the ONLY steel-framed buildings to ever collapse, to fall into their foot-prints at gravitational acceleration?

    It wasn’t the ONLY steel-framed buildings to ever collapse in that way, plenty of tall buildings before and since have done precisely that in professionally planned, prepared and executed controlled demolitions.

    Ain’t none ever done that, before or since, from either an aircraft impact (a US Air Force bomber actually flew into the Empire State Building, and it didn’t even raise a sweat!) or from any kerosene fire (let alone a couple of trivial office fires).

    So Occam’s Razor says – controlled demolition. Lots of emergency responders who were there on the day say the same thing.

    How were the ‘dancing Israelis’ ready and filming in Liberty Park as the first plane hit, then celebrated wildly?

    Occam’s Razor says – the bastards were in on it. And a lot of other shady characters up to mischief around the area who were caught by red-blooded American cops before they could blow up tunnels and bridges and so on. Funny how they were all then allowed to fly out of the country during a supposed nation-wide grounding of all air traffic.

    Are you REALLY this stupid, or would your social life collapse if you grew a brain?

    Occam’s Razor says…

    Incidentally, for some strange reason, whenever I think of Occam’s Razor, I get a mental picture of sliding down a 40-foot razor blade…

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  350. The obvious implication of the following citations is that both SARS-COV2 and the gene jabs are bioweapons. It’s simply not credible that all the pharmaceutical companies and government agencies responsible for getting these jabs into people were unaware that the spike protein is pathogenic. The jabs therefore provide a key evidentiary trail leading to the culprits responsible for SARS-COV2 and the plan/scamdemic. To discard this hypothesis would require compelling evidence and argument. Something more than Unz’s clearly diversionary, ‘That’s stupid, gullible anti-vaxx crackpottery that no prestigious people believe.’

    [MORE]

    Daszak (20191209): 30:00 “Spike protein drives a lot of what happens with the coronavirus.”
    https://www.
    bitchute.com/video/fXeO4AVgNG9o/

    Yeadon (20210609): 17:30 “These Covid-19 vaccines are not safe…because the gene-based design makes your body manufacture virus spike protein, and we know, and we’ve known for years, the virus spike proteins trigger blood clots. [It’s in the] literature. No one can fault the statement I’ve just made.”
    https://rumble.com/vib2nd-episode-1010-the-trojan-horse-pandemic.html

    McCullough (202207): 10:49 “The spike protein is where all the lethality of this illnes is… the only reason why this coronavirus has led to death is because of the spike protein. The ball is innocuous… [Whether DNA or mRNA,] the vaccines all produce the spike protein…identical to the original Wuhan strain of the virus. The vaccines are producing the lethal part of the virus. The vaccines are the genetic code for the lethal protein that has killed millions of people worldwide. The vaccine provides the genetic code to produce the lethal protein for an uncontrolled duration of time and an uncontrolled quantity.”
    https://rumble.com/v1dgd7p-dr.-peter-a.-mccullough-united-for-healthcare-summit-2022.html

    Cole (20220812): 14:49 “The gene-based shots make more spike protein than the natural infection does. And we know that from multiple studies…”
    https://rumble.com/v1fsq9h-ryan-cole-on-how-to-identify-a-person-killed-by-the-covid-vaccine.html
    (More spike protein, and far more pervasively throughout the body in the case of the mRNA jabs, since the nanolipids carry the mRNA everywhere.)

    Note also in my posts above (340-342):
    – McCullough’s repeated emphasis that the pathogen and the vaccine were created together;
    – Kirsch, Cole & Welbergen all connect Moderna to the engineering of the virus; Kirsch & Cole also point out the Moderna/NIH collaboration on the Moderna gene jab.

    One more:
    Choice of full-length spike protein by competing companies as sole Covid vaccine target reveals bioweapon operation: Yeadon
    https://hillmd.substack.com/p/spike-proteins-choice-by-competing

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  351. @Ron Unz

    Well, you’re single minded and good at staying on message, I’ll give you that. But not so good on reading comprehension.

    Still, it’s nice to discover that Sachs’ revelations have finally gotten some of the anti-vaxxers interested in the origins of the virus itself rather than just the vaccines.

    Maybe you missed the date on some of these. Mercola interviewed both Fleming and Breggins 11.5 months ago (separately). Reiner Fuellmich interviewed David Martin in July of 2021. Rand Paul was jousting with Fauci over funding GOF research at Wuhan no later than May of 2021. The Gateway Pundit wrote the following at the beginning of May, 2020:

    “Now we can report that the leader of the US task force overseeing the country’s response to the China coronavirus, Dr. Tony Fauci, was the one who funded the Wuhan bat virus work and kept it going.”
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/updated-dr-fauci-likely-broke-us-law-funded-wuhan-lab-continue-coronavirus-projects-banned-us-2014/

    So Sachs barely caught my attention because it was old news. Still good of him to point it out and help settle at least one interminable inane debate, but old news.

    Whether as a dupe or an agent of a Cass-Sunstein gambit, you’ve focused on distractions and name calling, and missed what the most intelligent and best-informed people talking about Covid are saying.

    I’m not aware of anyone else pushing the hypothesis of ‘a deliberate American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran)’. McCullough, however did point out that BARDA and DARPA were involved, and that it looks like a US gov’t operation. I would guess he got that from Breggin, but I haven’t read the book. I’d be surprised if Fleming and Martin do not also reveal US govt. involvement. With the exception of Martin, I would guess that all of these men stick more closely to the data than you do, rather than getting too far out over their skis; there are multiple interpretations of what is known.

    But if we want to speculate out loud, a better hypothesis than yours, imo, which I stated (in less detail) here in Nov. ’21, is that SARS-COV2, the disastrous public health response, and the deadly gene jabs–all prongs of a single attack, on all of humanity, but especially the hated Europeans and their descendants–were engineered by globalist Jews and their minions. They used the US like a two-bit whore, as usual; launching it in Wuhan worked toward the Jewish fav, ‘Let’s you and him fight’; and of course they couldn’t resist attacking Iran. They used it to distract attention from the consecuences of their financial looting, which was breaking late 2019; to get their puppet, Biden, into office; get the Jewish war in Ukraine; and as distraction & cover for their full-court-press toward abolishing cash & privacy and instituting technocratic feudalism.

    This hypothesis also offers an explanation for why you have become so irrational.

    • Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin
  352. @Rumpelstiltskin

    The obvious implication of the following citations is that both SARS-COV2 and the gene jabs are bioweapons. It’s simply not credible that all the pharmaceutical companies and government agencies responsible for getting these jabs into people were unaware that the spike protein is pathogenic. The jabs therefore provide a key evidentiary trail leading to the culprits responsible for SARS-COV2 and the plan/scamdemic.

    Good comment – all in all, a good summary of the malevolent foundation of the fake Corona Chan “pandemic”.

    You might also have referenced the extensive investigative research of Dr. David Martin and Dr. Reiner Fuellmich, which taken together with all the other expert testimony leave little doubt as to the perpetrators of the singular most massive genocidal war crime in human history.

    Mr. Unz has done some good work, but IMO he’s focused on a single tree – albeit a big one – while entirely missing the forest all around it.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  353. @Rumpelstiltskin

    In support of that hypothesis, note Kirsch’s words in my post #341:

    “Why didn’t anybody in Congress ask for Tony Fauci’s unredacted emails? … Because any democratic committee chairman can send a letter to the NIH requesting Tony Fauci’s unredacted emails, and get it. The Republicans can’t, because they’re not committee chairmen. But the Democrats can get the unredacted emails and we would see exactly what happened…”

    “And nobody wants to know the answers to these questions on the Democrat side, on the Whitehouse side.”

    Who runs Biden? Jews. Who runs American politics? Jews.

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jews-in-the-biden-administration
    https://www.jta.org/2021/01/20/politics/all-the-jews-joe-biden-has-tapped-for-top-roles-in-his-administration
    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/MAGAZINE-enough-for-a-minyan-a-jewish-who-s-who-of-biden-s-cabinet-to-be-1.9464584
    https://nationalvanguard.org/2019/11/why-did-all-of-bidens-children-marry-jews/

    For anyone who is not aware of how Jews took control of the American presidency in 1912 with Woodrow Wilson, and the help of Teddy Roosevelt, Douglas Reed’s treatment of the topic in The Controversy of Zion is essential reading, imo.
    https://archive.org/search.php?query=douglas+reed+controversy+zion&sin=

    • Replies: @geokat62
  354. geokat62 says:
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    For anyone who is not aware of how Jews took control of the American presidency in 1912 with Woodrow Wilson, and the help of Teddy Roosevelt, Douglas Reed’s treatment of the topic in The Controversy of Zion is essential reading, imo.

    I recently finished reading this very provocative book and as is my wont, I created a collection of the most pertinent quotes. Those who have neither the time nor the inclination to read the entire book may find these quotes useful…

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/the-zionists-on-the-defensive/?showcomments#comment-4678663

    • Thanks: Mehen
  355. With no intent to bias anyone’s perspective one way or another, here’s a reality check on the current government posture on the Corona Chan situation here in Australia…

    https://rumble.com/v1i1j2l-documents-reveal-australian-govts-openly-schemed-to-poison-citizens-childre.html

    Two personal observations…

    1. “Vaccines” mandates continue to be applied to employees of major Australian corporations (most visibly in retail companies such as Coles and Woolworths etc). “Unvaccinated” are sacked.

    2. All levels – all of them – of Australian governance are infested with Globalist psycopaths. We could really use the services of The Cleaner from La Femme Nikita right about now.

  356. Anymike says:
    @Anon

    The people in the government were little shocked that we, the people, bent but didn’t break. They thought, perhaps, that we would become fervent the same way we became fervent after the 9-11 attack. Didn’t happen. Most people did the workaround thing and waited it out. The smartest were to a great extent skeptical, except for the hardcore liberals, and what was the takeaway of the common man?

    The common man and common woman have decided, it’s not worth it going to work when you’re not paid enough to live a normal life, or maybe you should put it, it’s not worth going it to work when the system is designed so that you cannot live on what the boss can afford to pay you. Most bosses can afford a raise. Almost none of them can afford to double your pay and still stay in business.

    I just did the workaround thing. Somehow, the whole shtick never got into my dome.

  357. @Ultrafart the Brave

    Too many fallacies and plain errors dealt with long ago so I’ll confine my response to asking where a passenger airliner with a known and published passenger list fisappeaewd to if it didn’t jit the Pentagon.

    But BTW there are pictures of of street lamps struck by the plane and of a damaged tail plane on the lawn outside the Pentagon.
    Also, the pilot was the only one of the hijackers who had been a professional pilot. So much for the exceptional skil required.

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  358. @Wizard of Oz

    But BTW there are pictures of of street lamps struck by the plane and of a damaged tail plane on the lawn outside the Pentagon.

    Perhaps there are such pictures, but if so, they are emphatically illegitimate – “manufactured evidence”, if you will.

    No such “evidence” existed when the original television news crew turned up to report on the event – at which point all there was to see was a pristine lawn with no wreckage of any description, and a neat 15-foot hole in the Pentagon wall (with large glass windows either side of the hole undamaged in any way).

    In that very same news broadcast, the reporter stated that this was not an aircraft incident, because there was no wreckage whatsoever to be seen at the site, and just a 15-foot hole in the Pentagon wall.

    I have a copy of that television news report right here on my hard drive, but good luck finding it anywhere on the WWW now, because it was purged shortly after it was initially published.

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    Too many fallacies and plain errors dealt with long ago so I’ll confine my response to asking where a passenger airliner with a known and published passenger list fisappeaewd to if it didn’t jit the Pentagon.

    You speak of “fallacies? Seriously? You likely could benefit from some coaching in the exercise of basic logic.

    I could equally ask you where Daisy Bell the cow complete with a bell inscribed with her name disappeared to if she didn’t go beserk and cause a train derailment just down the road – despite not the slightest trace of any cow (let alone Diasy Bell) being found in the train wreckage. And yet, if Daisy Bell didn’t cause the train crash, then where did she go, hmmmm?

    It’s not my or anyone else’s problem to feed you an explanation of where, why or how some airplane supposedly went missing to substantiate the assertion that no airplane hit the Pentagon. By your flawed logic, you should be arguing that they totally screwed up the search for Malaysian Air Flight 370 in the Indian Ocean all those years ago – clearly it must have hit the Pentagon, otherwise where did it go?

    A thoroughly contorted Alice-In-Wonderland narrative not unlike the idiotic story that a massive airliner crashed in Pennsylvania leaving nothing but a relatively small and completely empty bomb crater in a field with no trace whatsoever of any wreckage or residue at all.

    Of course, if some airplane didn’t crash in a Pennsylvania field and magically fold itself up origami-style and disappear entirely into the ground never to be seen or heard from again, then where did it go?

    Allow me to clear away your mental log-jam – we don’t need any airplanes to do magical impossible things in support of ludicrous official narratives in order to make them go away. If that really keeps you awake at night, then I’d suggest go bone up on the Northwoods protocols to get some idea of the possibilities.

    In any case, such concerns are irrelevant. It’s sufficient for common sense to accept that whatever might or might not have been done to “disappear” any aircraft, no big old jet airliners played any part in the damage to the Pentagon, or for that matter to any field in Pennsylvania.

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  359. Dear Dr. Unz,

    Thank you so much Ron for your website being such an awesome bastion of free-speech, and for the depth and breadth of geo-cultural topics that sustained 19 months of diligent lurking. So please receive a potent defense of your refusal to jump into the maelstrom of paranoia that surrounds the anti-vaxx and hoax issues, a defense inspired by research into the role of retrocausation in culture. As you read on, please keep in mind a saying from modern physics: “We know this new theory is crazy, but is it crazy enough that it might actually be right? For it is relevant to what follows!

    Aside from whatever pressure you may or may not be under from the PTB to toe the line on vaxx and hoax claims, there is a primal issue best introduced with the old saying: “Keep your powder dry, and don’t shoot until you can see the whites of their eyes.” Let’s assume a worst case scenario in regard to “death jabs for depopulation” and “hoaxing for tyranny.” The assumption of implacable evil endemic to the self-polarizing mindset of the west could easily fuel wild crusades that blow off the question of whether we might be facing some form of rationally knowable and curable mass insanity. You kept your powder dry by not jumping off the mainstream cliff into the maelstrom of paranoia that drenches heart, mind, and soul. You continue to wait until “you can see the whites of their eyes” by continuing to wait to see the true Reality of the situation! Your avoidance of this maelstrom is wise in that: a) the issue of infectious mass insanity has hardly been touched on your site let alone explored in depth, b) verification of infectious insanity would justify repentance and forgiveness even for the ring leaders of a worst case vaxx scenario, c) allowing them all to save face is not crass politics but vital to the role of public confession in healing the insanity! This passionate defense of your restraint sprang from my work on an article entitled: “Hope for the Hopelessly Paranoid.”

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    A deeper defense relates to the many accusations on your own forum witnessed over the last 18 months of how “stubborn” you seem, along with calumnies of being so willfully blind as to be irrational if not immoral, or even a “minion”: One thing I’ve learned to a painful but heartfelt depth is that people can be guided by their higher selves to act with exactly this kind of “stubbornness” in response to issues unknown to one’s rational conscious mind, but not unknown to one’s higher self via the ability of our mind/body system to subconsciously integrate cellular signals arriving retrocausally (via our cytoskeletons) from an array of possible futures. One might expect one’s level of “stubbornness” to be somehow proportional to the product of the (“risk x novelty”) of upcoming situations as yet unknown to one’s conscious mind. Since a potential worst-case scenario of death jabs or sudden economic collapse would be apocalyptic in regard to risk, and since the novel planet-wide roll out of the lockstep overreaction plandemic and misdirection scamdemic might be the work of some heretofore unknown unwitting cultural insanity of planetary scale, not only is your “stubbornness” justified in resisting the anti-vaxx maelstrom, but so too might the stubborn hatred of Jews for Christianity, stubborn lust of technocrats for control, stubborn plans of the elite for a cull, and stubborn paranoia of the red-pilled and black-pilled all be justified as the stubborn subconscious choices of many varied people for a lesser of evils in response to a vaguely perceived but as yet uncharacterized threat!

    You, Ron, may or may not believe that true subjectivity derives from retrocausal energy flow complete with an ability to receive subconscious retrocausal signals (versus the strong-AI dogma that all subjectivity is but the product of mechanistic forward-in-time computation). But you seem either way to be in tune with your higher self in choosing to act with the needed extreme reticence amid the “fog of war” in a very delicate situation involving forces transcendent to the flow of mundane time far beyond the conscious understanding of the western mindset: liberal or conservative, Christian or post-Christian. In short, the western solar mindset has long been oblivious to retrocausation as a logically and empirically knowable aspect of God’s Power. But since the Jewish mindset tends to be more open to God’s retrocausal power, might you, Ron, with your Jewish background, extreme polymath intelligence, and physics expertise be one of the best qualified people in the world to formally tackle the role of retrocausation as a key driver of the natural quantum computation behind all true upward evolution, biological and cultural? Many people could fight the vaccine issue if need be, but in having kept your powder from the maelstrom of paranoia, you have preserved your likely unique value on the topic of retrocausation in culture!

    As evidence of knowable mass insanity, a 6750-word guest article would summarize the mountain of empirical evidence that exists to show that western socioeconomic development did closely track the evolution of a supergiant star from the early protostar phase to the current brink of core collapse over the last 500+ years via a verified timing wherein one long-wave Kondratieff cycle == one type of fuel in the star’s core == one generation of technology. It will show that not only did this in-depth parallel require a mere dozen socioeconomic primitives (and two adjustable stellar parameters) with interactions modeled solely on the laws of physics — but so too did it predict the now unfolding runaway processes that signal imminent core collapse that commenced in sync with the “lockdowns” of 2020 including: a) runaway concentration of wealth, b) runaway political polarization, c) runaway institutional deception, d) runaway plundering of the masses, e) runaway shutdown of churches via atheistic medical dogma, and f) runaway cultural insanity unseen since the witch burnings, genocidal holy wars, and Kabbalistic lunacy of the 17th century! This spooky parallel is the core unwitting conspiracy that does clearly manifest itself as infectious mass insanity. And it does clearly foretell an impending “socioeconomic neutron star” as per the technological singularity inherent to agenda-2030, wherein a “Global Panopticon Police State” would seek to enforce coercive medicalized atheism, ecologism, and trans-humanism as the only legal religion on a radically depopulated planet.

    The above parallel roots in an unorthodox but empirically potent logic on the role of retrocausation in culture. Your qualifications combine with the impassioned pleas of commenters who’ve begged for suggestions on how to free us from the insane evil that has our world by the balls to inspire me to share this seemingly fertile mix of heresy and lunacy. If you feel that the parallel unveiled in article I is for real, a 2nd article would unveil the details of this new time-symmetric logic to argue that this parallel is the result of an actual supergiant star in an “inverse-spacetime continuum” retrocausally imposing an accelerated non-linear forward-in-time reflection of its own fate on western culture. If you all agree that this parallel is both empirically and logically sound, a 3rd article would offer a do-or-die empirical test of our ability to transmute this stellar parallel into a radically beneficent alternate destiny. The article on stellar socioeconomic theory is key, for the parallel is so deep and so spooky as to shatter mainstream belief in materialistic life science and economics in favor of the holism of time-symmetric theory; this will create a space for radical new ideas that would otherwise never be considered. If you host the full eight-part feature series, you might be pleasantly surprised at how often and deeply the new time-symmetric logic would draw on some facet of your physics expertise, to support a possible unspoken dream come true for your website and forum: to facilitate the healing of this mass insanity by serving as an empowered bastion for the supernal force of free speech!

    With Cascades of Overflowing Love
    Tom the Bomb, Heretic Extraordinaire

  360. @Ultrafart the Brave

    Why haven’t you posted that video of a news report if you are so sure it will support you?

    Are you BTW arguing that American Airlines Flight 77 ended up in the ocean somewhere?

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  361. @Ultrafart the Brave

    This is from a link to the “Current Affairs” magazine provided by Unz in this article.
    SACHS:
    The most interesting things that I got as chair of the Lancet commission came from Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuits and whistleblower leaks from inside the U.S. government. Isn’t that terrible? NIH was actually asked at one point: give us your research program on SARS-like viruses. And you know what they did? They released the cover page and redacted 290 pages. They gave us a cover page and 290 blank pages! That’s NIH, for heaven’s sake. That’s not some corporation. That is the U.S. government charged with keeping us healthy.

    Wake up American brothers, the world is not your enemy. Your zionist government is.

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  362. @Rev. Spooner

    Would you not agree that there could have been material in those 290 pages which it might be better were not known to Russia or China if not considered as friends? If so, can you not imagine a middling level bureaucrat saying “OMG, how many weeks of back and forth and finding out who to speak to and how to speak to them is this going to take me? I’ll just redact the lot and see if he goes away like most of the time wasting trouble makers”?

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  363. @Wizard of Oz

    Why haven’t you posted that video of a news report if you are so sure it will support you?

    I’ve not been so motivated as to create web accounts just to publish a 2 MByte file kept on my hard drive for my own personal reference.

    BTW, none of us got to see any of the security camera footage confiscated by the FBI within 2 hours from various establishments lining the highway adjacent to the Pentagon. Forewarned is fore-armed, it would seem. All that footage remains locked away in “Top Secret” vaults somewhere.

    BUT one piece of security camera footage – from a Pentagon security access station – was leaked, which shows just a split-second image of a tail-plane prior to the impact – something apparently skimming only a few feet above the ground and far smaller than any big old jet airliner.

    Sadly, I neglected to capture that particular security camera footage. Maybe it’s still floating around on the Web somewhere, or on the Wayback Machine.

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    Are you BTW arguing that American Airlines Flight 77 ended up in the ocean somewhere?

    I fear you’ve missed the point entirely.

    I’m saying Malaysian Flight 370 disappeared, and it didn’t have to hit the Pentagon in order for that to happen.

    Whereas you are saying that American Airlines Flight 77 disappeared, and that it had to hit the Pentagon in order for that to happen.

    Your chain of logic is flawed. Notwithstanding that an impact on a building establishes nothing about the whereabouts of an aircraft if no trace of that aircraft can be found at the point of impact, I refer you once again to Operation Northwoods for hints about what had actually been proposed by American government stooges to make various passenger aircraft “disappear” in planned false flag events.

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
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  364. IreneAthena says: • Website
    @MPJ

    Is it not possible that the establishment simply overplayed their hand and those who suffered this tyranny rightly rose up in opposition? — MPJ

    I don’t know if there are enough decent people of influence in the US justice system, but there’s more than one group of people very actively seeing justice for:

    (1)the victims of the covid19 bioweapon
    (2)the victims of the covid19 shutdowns
    (3)the victims of the covid19 mRNA gene therapy

    Ron Unz has expressed concern that focus on (3) is a distraction from getting justice for (1) and (2)…but it really isn’t. A strong case in one of these areas strengthens the case in the other two. The villains are all the same.

    https://palbulletin.com/2022/06/13/closing-arguments-from-dr-reiner-fuellmich-court-of-public-opinion-grand-jury-on-crimes-against-humanity-video/

  365. @Wizard of Oz

    Rubbery thinking, Wizz. 290 pages TOTALLY redacted. Totalitarian information suppression, and it’s OK for Wizz the Great, because Russia and China might learn something from it. The Imperial paranoiac in all its pathetic depravity.
    Might not the US citizenry have learned something? Oh, I forgot-they are the ‘Enemy Within’, Trumpees and MAGAites etc. I really thought that there was a Biological Weapons Convention that made secret biowarfare research unlawful. You know-The Rules Based International Order, and all that. Of course I know that is a joke, but it gets lot of exposure, not the least from Austfailian toadies like Payne and Wong. And I suppose we all know who, single-handedly, has blocked the inspection regime under this Treaty, for twenty years. Evil Russia? No. Eviler China then? No. Ever wonderful, the object of Wizz’s displaced erotomanic drive, the United States of America, that’s who.

  366. @Ultrafart the Brave

    You have to remember that the Wizz will slavishly regurgitate ANY Imperial agit-prop, no matter how ludicrous, lest his legion of ‘friends’ in the Establishment ostracise him. Turn over any toady to the US Reich and you’ll find the Wizz, or one of his type, underneath, crawling away.

    • LOL: Wizard of Oz
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  367. The spike protein is the bio-weapon.

    Lots of debate has done the rounds as to whether the alleged Corona Chan bug even actually exists.

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    I’m not convinced either way – after all, those many FOIs failed to turn up any isolated Corona Chan specimen in any government lab anywhere around the world.

    So what exactly were the PCR and now the RAT “tests” testing for? That’s a rhetorical question, of course – any thinking person already knows that all of those “tests” are total BS. We know from published documents that the PCR “tests” were “calibrated” against what are claimed to be pieces of the common cold virus (because they had nothing else handy to use for the purpose). Even worse, the RAT “tests” specifically detect the very same “spike proteins” that are being injected into people by the fake “vaccines”!.

    Funny how all the new “positive” cases are all “vaccinated”. Actually, on closer inspection, not so funny, but inevitable.

    However, if some creepy little bug does exist somewhere with the computer-generated “spike protein” poking out of it’s skin, we know 100% that it can only be there because they put it there.

    And we know damn sure that they put it in their fake “vaccines” – along with a shitload of other secret-squirrel eugenic poisonous shit.

  368. @mulga mumblebrain

    You have to remember that the Wizz will slavishly regurgitate ANY Imperial agit-prop, no matter how ludicrous…

    Granted, he does seem to have a persistent immunity to the clarity that comes with simple logic.

    That in itself probably serves to dissuade the thinking public from much of his analysis.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  369. @Ultrafart the Brave

    You are being obtuse. Of course I am saying that the disappearance of Flight 77 and passengers and crew needs explanation if you don’t think it hit the Pentagon. And it still does.

  370. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:

    All the woes of the collective West spring from two facts: On the other side of the Atlantic, plutocracy is displacing democracy and in Europe a new form of “paganism” is dictating the lifestyle of the fun society.

  371. @Sam Smith

    I think he’s made that point very strongly, that Donald Trump did not authorize the Covid biowarfare attack on China or Iran, not anywhere. So Covid-19 was an unauthorized release.

  372. @Ultrafart the Brave

    The ENTIRE Austfailian ruling elite, as scabrous a collection of the dregs of the primate order as it is possible to imagine in some horrific dope dream or acid flash-back, LOVE the USA with all their …bowels (having neither heart no soul). To criticise any Yankee atrocity brings slander as ‘anti-American’, and social ostracism. It’s worse with Jews, of course, but you get the picture. Colonial arse-lickers, keeping up appearances for the Boss in Thanatopolis DC. The Yankeephiles in the Right of the ALP are particularly repulsive.

  373. The ENTIRE Austfailian ruling elite, as scabrous a collection of the dregs of the primate order as it is possible to imagine in some horrific dope dream or acid flash-back, LOVE the USA with all their …bowels (having neither heart no soul).

    Not even a shriveled, raisin-sized relic of a ticker? Even vampires have that.

    I have to agree with your assessment of the Australian ruling class – but feel compelled to observe that their fealty to our current colonial masters might not be such a bad thing, if the American ruling elite weren’t such a collection of degenerate homicidal Satanic Globalist psycopaths.

    On the other hand, just as a basic matter of principle, Australia would be so very much better off under all circumstances if Australians were free to rule Australia for Australians. IMO that applies emphatically to our entire sovereign history up to this point, as well as to the foreseeable future.

    Just remember that Libya provides a cautionary lesson in sovereignty – don’t strive for independence without the means to defend it. Gadaffi was a good man – look how that turned out.

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