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As most are surely aware, for more than two years I have been pointing to the strong perhaps even overwhelming evidence that the Covid outbreak that devastated our own country and the world was very likely the result of an exceptionally reckless American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran).

Under my analysis, the million American deaths and massive social disruption we have suffered would constitute the most disastrous blowback of any military operation in the history of the world, and if it became widely accepted, the domestic political consequences would be monumental.

My suggestion of a central American role in the creation of this global epidemic has been excluded not only from the mainstream media but from virtually all of the alternative media as well, presumably because the possibility is simply too horrific to contemplate. However, this situation may now be starting to change.

Last month, the prestigious journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences carried an opinion article authored by prominent Columbia University economist Jeffrey D. Sachs and a medical colleague suggesting an American role in the creation of the virus and arguing for an independent inquiry into that possibility.

Their paper also presented some of the very considerable evidence that the virus had been artificially engineered in a laboratory, providing a comparison chart noting the striking difference in structure between Covid and all of its closest natural relatives. Indeed, the former seems to have the sort of human-insert sequence that American researchers had been exploring in their scientific papers.

Sachs and his co-author also emphasized that the Eco-Health Alliance, heavily funded by our own Department of Defense, had been very active in organizing the collection of SARS-like bat-viruses from China, exactly the sort of viruses that probably would have constituted the precursor stock to a genetically-engineered Covid virus.

These sorts of implications are hardly surprising to those who have been following my own writings of the last couple of years, but they obviously have vastly greater impact when made by top mainstream scholars writing in one of America’s most influential academic journals. Although the two authors are careful to avoid touching upon the central thesis of my own articles, their analysis is entirely consistent with that framework.

 

So far, this potentially important paper seems to have received relatively little media coverage, but it may have already contributed to some renewed interest in my own work.

In February I had presented my ideas at length in several video interviews, including Kevin Barrett’s Truth Jihad, Geopolitics & Empire, and Red Ice TV, totaling nearly four hours of discussion. During the last ten days or so, these videos have attracted a great deal of new interest, adding another 60,000 total views, and are now rapidly approaching the half-million mark. Shortly after my interview with Kevin Barrett, he told me he hoped that the viewership might eventually break 100,000, a possibility I considered wildly optimistic at the time, but that video is now actually at the verge of reaching 200,000 views. If these trends continue, at some point media outlets may finally be forced to recognize the likely reality of what befell America and the rest of the world a couple of years ago.

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Meanwhile, I have recently been preoccupied with different matters. In June 2018 I resumed my writing, and during the last four years I have published more than a half-million words of articles and columns, the bulk of them in my American Pravda series. That lengthy collection of essays, focusing on the lapses and lacunae in our mainstream coverage of important past events has gradually grown into a comprehensive historical counter-narrative of the last one hundred years of Western history.

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Back in early 2016 I had collected my previous articles, mostly on racial and ethnic issues, and published them as a 700 page hardcover book entitled The Myth of American Meritocracy and Other Essays. Although that volume had been partially intended as an adjunct to our unsuccessful Free Harvard/Fair Harvard political campaign for the university’s Board of Overseers, I was very pleased to have my book available in hard copy on Amazon. However, the publication project had involved a great deal of time and effort while sales soon dwindled away to scarcely even a trickle.

Then last year I began collecting all my writings into a series of freely downloadable eBooks, available in both the ePub and Mobi/Kindle formats, and this seemed a much more cost-effective means of distribution.

Since their release, these eBooks have been downloaded roughly 70,000 times, a total roughly 70,000 larger than my total print sales during that same time period. As a consequence, I had never considered investing the time and effort to produce any new hard copy editions of my work.

However, while writing my recent retrospective survey on the Harvard campaign, I was reminded of the particular advantages of having a print book available for distribution, and I began reconsidering the idea, especially since various people over the years had expressed interest in obtaining my recent writings in print form.

Obviously, a collection running 400,000 or 500,000 words would be completely unmanageable as a single text, but I discovered that Amazon’s KDP system provides a relatively easy means of creating professional-quality books using Print On Demand technology. So I decided to produce an series of shorter, more narrowly focused collections, with each generally running 50,000 to 100,000 words.

Over the last few years my reading, research, and writing efforts have absorbed an enormous amount of my time, so applying another 1% or less to make this same material available in print editions seems a very cost-effective decision. A book that you can hold in your hand may often have considerably greater weight and impact than something merely read online or in some other electronic format.

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Two books in this new series are now available, each running less than 200 pages and reasonably priced at under \$10 in paperback. They constitute short collections of essays that can easily be read in just a day or two, and over the next few weeks, I’m planning to release several additional ones.

The first volume is entitled Encountering American Pravda, and represents something of a short introduction to my American Pravda series, with most of the essays coming from 2016 or earlier and the book priced at just \$8.99. I think this particular collection would be an ideally effective means of introducing others to the material, while doing so in a relatively non-threatening manner.

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I have also now published Our Covid-19 Catastrophe, priced at \$9.99. This contains my major Covid articles, presenting the American biowarfare hypothesis that has been the main focus of my writing and research efforts over the last two years.

Busy individuals are continually bombarded with emails and links and hence tend to disregard nearly all of them. However, I think that someone who receives an attractively printed book in the mail is much more likely to examine it rather than just throw it into the trash. So purchasing these hard copy editions for friends and acquaintances may be effective and relatively inexpensive means of getting this important information into much wider circulation.

I’m obviously eager to promote this material in reviews or podcasts. Therefore, I would be glad to provide complementary copies of my books to any bloggers or podcasters who think they would be interested in writing reviews or interviewing me. Just drop me an email with a link to your website or podcast and your mailing address, and I’ll have the copies sent right out.

As an example of this, I was interviewed a few days ago by Edward Dutton on his Jolly Heretics podcast. Prof. Dutton had initially been quite skeptical of my Covid biowarfare hypothesis, but the information provided in my eBook greatly surprised him, and he decided to interview me as a consequence. The 90m session is available on the Odysee platform, and I’ve also reposted it on Rumble:

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In addition, I had another hour-long radio interview with Kevin Barrett, with a copy of the transcript now available in transcript form.

 
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  1. JackOH says:

    Well, yes, of course, I’d want to see an independent inquiry into the origins of COVID-19!

    My thinking may sound simple-minded. I have known a very tiny number of government and private sector workers in responsible positions who’ve given the impression of being mentally unhinged. Some have made very bad decisions. I’ve known a larger number of nosebleed-arrogant workers who could persuade themselves to turn a blind eye to a diabolical masters-of-the-universe scheme such as Ron details. Of course, most salaried folks just go along without asking too many question.

    I’d like to know if we have a nutter (or nutters) in our government. That’s all.

    • Agree: Tom Welsh, JR Foley
  2. Sachs and co-author “were careful to avoid” seems to be evidence free tendentiousness. As one who has not been convinced that you found a “smoking gun” in the alleged medical intelligence reports and is equally unimpressed by your Iranian evidence I infer that Sachs is quite sensibly impressed by the degree of American involvement with what went on at Wuhan and the fact that it could have led to a lot of attempts to divert attention from it.

    • Agree: Dieter Kief
    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Dieter Kief
    , @JackOH
    , @Iris
  3. Anon[159] • Disclaimer says:

    Well done Mr. Unz.

    The smoking gun is the Iran deaths, early on. Only Jews wanted that.

    Now, about 9/11, the Jewish Anthrax attacks, the JFK/RFK/JFK Jr. Mossad hits, and numerous other examples of nefarious Jewish activity.

    Or how about the Jew Bourla (((Pfizer))) making the comment that significant deaths were necessary, and desired.

    Get to work.

    • Thanks: Jim Christian
  4. YLB says:

    In a nut shell, is possible to explain why this evil plan targeted only China and Iran, and not the rest of the world? IOW, do you think we “just fell into” everything else/CoViD worldwide, as result of a locale specific failed black ops mission? It doesn’t seem to make sense since patents, big pharma having ready-made solution plus simultaneous worldwide lock-step agenda, but probably I’m missing something..

    • Replies: @Levtraro
    , @Dystopian
  5. I still think that you should do a deep dive into Project Azorian and its world balance of power changing effects.

    The world would thank you more for that than you can imagine.

    Thanks!

  6. Biff says:

    An independent inquiry into the origins of COVID-19 would be subjected to, but not limited to:
    A kook conspiracy theory
    A media blackout
    An anti-Semitic trope
    Unscientific study
    Parallel studies debunking it
    Anti LGBTQ
    Misogynistic
    A threat to National security
    White supremacy
    Russian disinformation
    A joke

    • Thanks: GMC
  7. Sean says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Ukraine war: Fact-checking Russia’s biological weapons claims
    15 Mar 2022 — The BBC finds no evidence for Russian claims that Ukraine is developing biological weapons with US support.

    Not deliberately.

    https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2202769119

    “We do know that the insertion of such FCS sequences into SARS-like viruses was a specific goal of work proposed by the EHA-WIV-UNC partnership within a 2018 grant proposal (“DEFUSE”) that was submitted to the US Defense Advanced Research Projects (DARPA).”

    A credible cover story would be integral to a real US secret operation, so conspirators might have used the Wuhan lab and funded dangerous work there in order to have a way to blame China, assuming such incredibly stupid orders as to create a novel SARS virus that was extremely transmissible (only way it could crash the Chinese economy) would be obeyed by scientists. The probability of the Covid -19 pathogen being made deliberately is, according to Sachs, eight amino acids on the the famous spike protein of the pandemic virus are identical to an amino acid sequence in the cells lining the human respiratory system. The counter argument is it could have arisen naturally by a random process. however inasmuch “insertion of such FCS sequences into SARS-like viruses was a specific goal of work proposed by the EHA-WIV-UNC partnership within a 2018 grant proposal (“DEFUSE”) that was submitted to the US Defense Advanced Research Projects”, Sachs would seem to have a made a good case for an independent inquiry.

    Being familiar with the work done in the field due to their specialty, scientist ordered to secretly do this work would discern that the virus was intended to mimic the SARS work publicly going on in China after Ralph Baric taught Chinese researchers how to do an insertion similar to the aforementioned one.

    Raleigh News & Observer
    UNC-Chapel Hill researchers receive federal grant to help stave off another pandemic
    “We didn’t know about SARS-CoV-2 until it emerged,” said Ralph Baric, a coronavirus expert at University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
    .2 weeks ago

    He is at it again.

  8. Al Liguori says: • Website

    I propose genotyping the virus that killed the Summer 2019 cluster of nursing home patients in Maryland near Forts Detrick and Belvoir. http://judaism.is/jew-flu.html It will be difficult enough to moser the colonized USA, even more difficult to moser those who have been working on genetically specific bioweapons for decades: https://www.wired.com/1998/11/israels-ethnic-weapon/ Then there is PNAC’s wish list: “advanced forms of biological warfare that can ‘target’ specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.”

    https://archive.org/details/RebuildingAmericasDefenses/page/n71/mode/2up/search/specific+genotypes

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  9. lloyd says: • Website
    @Anon

    Ron appears to tip toe around the Mossad connection. He cannot really explain why Iran. Why is America so hostile to Iran? Were the infections in Iran Covid or more likely a Mossad poisoning? Iran is not a nuclear power as Russia and North Korea. It does not threaten America economically. America has got over the Iran revolution. America is not into ancient history. I thought it was a slip up of Ron to say “we” in reference to the assassinations of Iranian scientists. But he said “we” several times more in reference to this. I naively thought that was solely Mossad. Ron does say cabal more than once in reference to a tiny group of officials in US who he considers planned out the whole biowarfare operation. Does Ron make the distinction between the American three letter agencies and Mossad? Perhaps there now isn’t one. This “cabal” are Christian millenarians? Ron is still alive which might influence him. As a minor point. No one goes sight seeing in Chinese cities outside Beijing and the Western and Japanese historically occupied cities. Thee isn’t anything interesting to see.

    • Replies: @Mark Hunter
  10. Avianthro says:

    Here’s what I would find convincing enough proof for the hypothesis that the virus was a bioweapon: Show that the genome of the virus that first hit Wuhan is different from the one that first hit Iran, and that the differences would be ones expected if the viruses were specifically targeted to the local populations.

    Is there any way that could be shown?

    Show this, and then the finger must point at the USA.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Iris
  11. @JackOH

    …that the Covid outbreak that devastated our own country and the world

    …the million American deaths and massive social disruption

    Somebody should probably tell our host and author that it was all engineered TO devastate but, not in the ways he thinks. The Coof wasn’t very deadly at all. But the hospital protocols, withholding of effective treatments and toxic fake vaccine injections have been. He should dial-in to those stories.

    The “million deaths” is a blatant fraud and a fiction. He knows that. Gee, someone might soon call him a nutter.

    • Replies: @Old and Grumpy
  12. @Anon

    Bourla (((Pfizer))) making the comment that significant deaths were necessary, and desired.

    Bourla is a top-notch scumbag and criminal but, you fell for an intentionally-edited video clip that implied something different than what he was speaking about.

    PRO TIP: Whenever seeing very short clips online intended to reveal…whoa, a smoking gun!…do yourself a favor and perform a quick search for the longer video of the interview. You will, most often, find that that person was saying something other. Don’t get played, is what I’m saying.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @ariadna
  13. bert33 says:

    Paul said he’s going after Fauci in november so stay tuned for all the sordid details

  14. @Biff

    Your list of “why it won’t happen” is much more detailed and comprehensive than my own, but I suppose our conclusion is the same.

    My own focus was mostly on the “National Security” issue, and I suspect that would be the main reason offered as why nobody would cooperate.

    Even if there is an eventual dog-and-pony show of a “pretend” investigation, I think the conclusions would resemble the form letters I get after communicating with my Indiana Congress-Critters. Many words on some paper which add up to saying nothing meaningful at all.

  15. anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:

    Have you reviewed the memo by Major Joseph Murphy? He was a Marine Corps fellow at the US Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency in 2020-21 and produced a memo in August, 2021.

    https://assets.ctfassets.net/syq3snmxclc9/2mVob3c1aDd8CNvVnyei6n/95af7dbfd2958d4c2b8494048b4889b5/JAG_Docs_pt1_Og_WATERMARK_OVER_Redacted.pdf

    He contends covid was a US created bat vaccine. As in a vaccine designed for bats in Yunnan to prevent SARS.

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @Whitewhale
  16. Corvinus says:

    The journal article offers a scientific road map for the development of Covid as a bio weapon, but the key point is that Sachs and Harrison acknowledge that the sequence could have arisen naturally.

    “We do not know whether the insertion of the FCS was the result of natural evolution — perhaps via a recombination event in an intermediate mammal or a human — or was the result of a deliberate introduction of the FCS into a SARS-like virus as part of a laboratory experiment,” Sachs and Harrison write. “We do know that the insertion of such FCS sequences into SARS-like viruses was a specific goal of work proposed by the EHA-WIV-UNC partnership within a 2018 grant proposal (“DEFUSE”) that was submitted to the US Defense Advanced Research Projects (DARPA).”

    In other words, they are speculating, which does not become fact or truth until confirmed by several sources.

  17. ld says:

    Thank You Ron for your brilliant and comrehensive articles.
    It should surprise no one that the sole perpetrators of nuclear attacks against humanity are eagre to perpetrate any evil as a means to their ends.
    These sub-himan actors have no limits in their quest for global dominance.
    The only way to contain the rabid dog is euthanization.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  18. @Sean

    Let me see if I understand what you have told me.

    The work at Wuhan involved creating a Coronavirus that would incorporate a bulk insertion of genetic material for 8 amino acids using material from the human digestive system. Presumably that was known precisely by Fauci. Ron’s rogue actors could have learned from him or someone with similar knowledge what might be expected if the insert created a viable pathogen and was let loose on an unprotected population. They might be particularly struck by the idea that it could be highly infectious, not particularly lethal but very damaging to the economy. So, where do you go from there?

    I would have thought the conspirators would think first of arranging a lab leak in Wujan. But you seem to favour the idea that, to cover their tracks, they might plan to create a situation in Ukraine comparable to that im Wihan so far as providing a deniable source for Covid 19 was concerned. Am I missing something?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  19. Hitch says:

    US Department of Defense Finally Comes Clean – Admits in Public Document that There Are 46 US Military-Funded Biolabs in Ukraine

    The question is no longer if “covid” originated in a US lab, nor is the question how many “Covid Variants” originated in a US lab.

    The only remaining question is if there is any Judeo-media hyped “outbreak” or “epidemic” that did NOT originate in a US lab. SARS, MERS, Ebola, Monkey Pox, Covid, Avian Flu, Swine Flu. At this point the assumption has to be that everyone of them originated in a US lab.

  20. How about turning your attention to the vaccines. Obviously they don’t work and we were lied to that they would stop the spread of the virus. Numerous fully vaccinated people have got the virus, some several times since completing their course of vaccinations. So what was all that about? It is absolutely clear by now that the pharmaceutical industry, the medical establishment, the politicians and the media lied about the efficacy of the vaccines and continue to lie even though anyone with a grain of common sense can see through their lies. Exposing the lie of the Covid vaccine should be a priority in dissenting circles.

    • Agree: RoatanBill, Adam Smith
    • Replies: @Wild Man
  21. Dumbo says:

    You need to look no further than the Big Pharma meeting with Fauci in 2019 when they complain that “the flu is not sexy”, that “we have new mRNA vaccines but they will take 10 years to be approved” and “we need a disruptive event, it’s not too crazy that a new disease coming from China will make people panic”.

    This is, and always was, from the very beginning, about mRNA vaccines. Ron’s refusal to even address the issue reeks of misdirection. His theory is stupid.

    Last month, the prestigious journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences carried an opinion article authored by prominent Columbia University economist Jeffrey D. Sachs

    Goddamn, this “prominent” JEW is one of the main people behind the rape or Russia in the 1990s. He never paid the price for being wrong, then or now. The fact that he’s still considered a valid opinion on anything (much less on COVID!) is a travesty.

    • Replies: @thotmonger
  22. Anon[428] • Disclaimer says:

    Peking sure treated the Corona outbreak like a Bioweapon attack.

  23. Levtraro says:
    @YLB

    It doesn’t seem to make sense since patents, big pharma having ready-made solution

    But you are wrong. Big pharma took a year after the start of the epidemic to deliver vaccines and start to profit and they were relatively slow.

    The first approved vaccines was the Russian vector-based Sputnik-V from Aug 2020 (not big pharma) and the Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA vaccine was approved in Dec 2020 (big pharma).

    In fact Pfizer was so unready that they have to produce a vaccine created by another company in Germany, a company called BionTech.

    So no, your assumption that big pharma was ready is wrong. Big pharma acted opportunistically to something that came out from other human or natural agents.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @anonymous
  24. Levtraro says:

    You are right to highlight the opinion piece by Harrison and Sachs in PNAS and thanks to Iris for linking to it.

    PNAS is very influential in US scientific circles and Harrison and Sachs present interesting pieces of biomolecular evidence for the hypothesis that US biolabs program could be connected to the hypothetical lab creation of the virus. The best part is that they take down the paper by Holmes et al. (2021) that denied the possibility that the furin cleavage sequence was inserted.

    Harrison and Sachs clearly want the EcoHealth Alliance, the University of North Carolina, the University of California at Davis, NIH, and the USAID investigated.

    Harrison and Sachs even mention grant proposals that were not funded by DARPA and that precisely proposed to conduct the insertion in SARS-like viruses. How do they know about grant proposals sent to DARPA and that were not funded, one wonders?

    The fact that the paper has not been featured in the MSM is irrelevant. This is going to be an undercurrent that the populace need not be aware of until it upwells (yeah, the upwelling of undercurrents is a real thing).

    • Thanks: Iris
  25. So far, this potentially important [Harrison and Sachs] paper seems to have received relatively little media coverage.

    Several far less tendentious, vastly more authoritative papers have received almost none.

    The first is Serologic testing of U.S. blood donations to identify SARS-CoV-2-reactive antibodies. https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/72/12/e1004/6012472

    If we extrapolate the CDC’s figures from archived Red Cross blood, 4-6 million Americans were Covid seropositive in December, 2019.

    This, along with the CDC’s identification of the world’s first Covid death, Lovell Brown, on January 9, 2020, suggests that the virus was endemic in the US no later than 2019.(https://tinyurl.com/6zjzuj3k%5D

    As does regressing US infection and death numbers.

  26. @Al Liguori

    The PNAC (consisting of neo-conservatives ie mostly Zionazi Jews, many of them former Trots, and more than a few acolytes of Leo Strauss)wants genetically specific bio-weapons, just as Israel did in years of research to that end with its Doppelganger, apartheid South Africa. While the research ended in South Africa, I doubt that it did in Israel, or anywhere else that the Zionazis hold sway.

  27. @Sean

    I very much doubt, to the point of conviction, that all US bio-warfare research is on the public record. That is why the three letter agencies have ‘black budgets’ in the billions, and then there is the ‘private’
    sector. Even the ‘moratorium’ of 2014 only applied to open Government financing, and was rescinded by 2017. I believe the US bio-warfare attack on China theory because that is precisely the sort of atrocity that they constantly carry out.

    • Agree: Realist
  28. @Biff

    You omitted ‘transphobic’ you bigot. I am having an attack of the vapours brought on by your insensitivity.

  29. @Wizard of Oz

    That – plus it is not setteld science that there’d be no natural origin of the Sars-Cov-2 virus.

    In fact this WHO paper from 9th of June 2022 cocncludes that it is as of now still more likely that Sars-CoV-2 was a spill-over from nature. They also say that more work needs to be done on this subject:

    https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/scientific-advisory-group-on-the-origins-of-novel-pathogens/sago-report-09062022.pdf?sfvrsn=42b55bbc_1&download=true

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  30. The main scientific issues are
    1) the furin cleavage site with “human” arginine codons. No other related betacoronavirus in this group (the ones which could co-infect and exchange genetic material) has a furin cleavage site like this. Furin cleavage sites are also added in labs to make it easier to grow the viruses in cell cultures.
    2) SARS-Cov2 sprang forth “remarkably” optimized for human. Such viruses from animals that move to humans start out optimized for the animal host. They can be deadly to humans, but do not spread easily human to human (why SARS and MERS were not major pandemics like Covid). A virus optimized for humans suggest either a long history in humans, or tinkering in lab. A hypothesis: a regional common cold coronavirus optimized to humans had the furan cleavage site added massively increasing growth in lab human cell cultures, and also in human populations either through lab escape or intentionally.
    Unless some conscience-striken virologist responsible for >6.3 million Covid deaths comes clean (and we see most like Fauci desperately trying to cover up and keep “the water muddied”), we will never know what really happened.
    There are also anomalies such as the Kent/ Alpha variant and the Omicron variants which appeared with massive amounts of mutations, suggestive of lab manipulation. Most likely all future viral pandemics will have lab “contributions”. While Omicron might have been deadly in Covid naive people (are there any left?), it likely strengthened natural immunity in the unvaccinated (due to Original Antigenic Sin, there was likely less benefit to most spike-protein vaccinated).

  31. While websites with screeds or truths deviating from the official narratives can be censored, books can be burnt. It is the same mindset at work.

  32. All this is moot any more. The gun control bill presented will basically disarm the American people. They can confiscate any weapon if they deem the owners are a threat to harm people. Welcome to the Soviet Union with Soviet style elections(only can vote for communists). Why should I care about the origins of COVID-19? They can do whatever they want now.

    • Replies: @lysias
  33. lavoisier says:
    @Sean

    A credible cover story would be integral to a real US secret operation, so conspirators might have used the Wuhan lab and funded dangerous work there in order to have a way to blame China, assuming such incredibly stupid orders as to create a novel SARS virus that was extremely transmissible (only way it could crash the Chinese economy) would be obeyed by scientists.

    Most scientists would do this work so long as the money was good and there was prestige involved.

    Consider the atomic bomb. Few scientists asked to help to build an atomic bomb declined the offer due to moral objections. One of those exceptions was Lise Meitner, one of the discoverers of atomic fission. She had the good sense to know that such a weapon in human hands was incredibly dangerous to the planet.

    Justification for the work could be found in seeing it as a competition–we are the good guys so we need to get it before the bad guys get it.

    And so Pandora’s box was dynamited open.

    Scientists are human beings, with all the frailties that come with the human condition and the conviction that better they control dangerous work than someone else.

    But at the end of the day scientists make the discoveries and build the weapons. Control of these dangerous weapons and their use is then ceded to the military and the political leaders.

    Captain Nemo was right.

  34. JackOH says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    ” . . . Sachs is quite sensibly impressed by the degree of American involvement with what went on at Wuhan and the fact that it could have led to a lot of attempts to divert attention from it.”

    I scanned the Harrison-Sachs article, and that’s the sense I’m getting–they’re sniffing something not quite candid about the current state of the American inquiry into COVID-19.

    FWIW–in early 2020, I offered to speak to two area foundations about the coming pandemic. I’d written for years about the distribution of American health care—which is driven by bare-knuckled political utility–and I thought America’s response would be poor to a politics-indifferent contagion. I was right. I just don’t feel good about it.

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  35. Iris says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I infer that Sachs is quite sensibly impressed by the degree of American involvement with what went on at Wuhan

    You are very much lagging behind, as usual.

    I doubt that Jeffrey Sachs is some sort of Sleeping Beauty that suddenly woke up from her sleep 26 months after the pandemic broke out globally, to discover information that was already available in March 2020.

    The US military’s involvement in illegal biological research has been widely uncovered by what Russia discovered in their secret Ukraine laboratories, and she made sure to expose at the United Nation instances.

    The stench is so strong that yesterday, the Pentagon was obliged to publicly admit to funding as many as 46 bio-laboratories in the Ukraine.
    https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/us-funded-46-biolabs-in-ukraine:-pentagon

    To give an order of magnitude to this madness, the venerable and respectable Institut Pasteur has only 3 operating bio-medical laboratories in France, a country with 1,5 times the population of Ukraine. So what business had the Pentagon entertaining 48 units?

    And by which heath authorities were these laboratories inspected, audited and authorised? China took years to build and validate the safety of the WIV, and only did so by first calling for Western expertise. China also transparently opened the WIV to Western researchers. What competency had the Ukraine, to maintain as many as 46 bio research laboratories?

    It is far more likely that Sachs is impressed by the “biological debacle” that befell the careless American secret labs in the Ukraine. Either he is sincerely shocked by the extent of criminal ineptitude, or he is managing some damage control operation, to shift the blame and the stench onto the precedent Republican administration.

    Either way, this is what the American “victory” in the Ukraine has led to; this is what happens when deluded retards (your beloved NeoCon Zionists) are in charge.

    • Thanks: Dieter Kief, Joe Levantine
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Wizard of Oz
    , @skrik
  36. “Under my analysis, the million American deaths and massive social disruption we have suffered would constitute the most disastrous blowback of any military operation in the history of the world, and if it became widely accepted, the domestic political consequences would be monumental.”

    What makes you think the death toll and social upheaval were blowback of a military operation gone awry and not some deliberately planned strategy to undermine US?

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  37. Realist says:
    @Avianthro

    I believe the Covid-19 virus was engineered. And because I am aware of the nefarious, clandestine activities the U.S. has been involved in since 1945…there is no doubt in my mind that those that control this country and make decisions about the actions undertaken are capable of producing and deploying a virus that would wreak havoc on the world population.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Ralph B. Seymour
  38. anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Levtraro

    Your mention of the dodgy Russian ‘Sputnik V’ – apparently ‘nearly identical to AstraZeneca’ – and thus in fact quite ‘BIg Pharma’ (see links below) –

    points to the bigger theme Ron Unz and many may be missing –

    Which is that the whole covid-and-vaccine scamming framework, involves ALL of the major powers

    The shite-throwing regarding It Wuz China or It Wuz America seems a deceptive distraction

    Russia’s participation in the viral-plague hysteria and vaccine scamming, updating even now with monkeypox etc, is a strong argument that Russia is not the ‘anti-New-World-Order’ heroic country we are looking for

    Specifically on Russia regarding vaccine chicanery etc –

    https://edwardslavsquat.substack.com/p/russia-and-the-eternal-pandemic

    https://edwardslavsquat.substack.com/p/sputnik-v-what-youre-not-being-told

    • Disagree: Levtraro
  39. lysias says:
    @Robert Bruce

    The courts could strike down such legislation as unconstitutional. The battle is not yet lost.

    • Replies: @Realist
  40. geokat62 says:

    Last month, the prestigious journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences carried an opinion article authored by prominent Columbia University economist Jeffrey D. Sachs…

    Prominent economist, Jeffrey D. Sachs? Is this the same Jeffrey D. Sachs that strongly urged Boris Yeltsin to transition from communism to capitalism overnight? The same Jeffrey D. Sachs who urged him to follow the “shock and awe” precepts of the Washington Consensus, including the creation of “vouchers” that represented a minuscule ownership stake in the Crown Jewels of the Soviet economy, distributed to the Russian people and purchased for a song by a handful of (((Russian))) oligarchs?

    That “prominent economist,” Jeffrey D. Sachs?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  41. Corvinus says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “The work at Wuhan involved creating a Coronavirus that would incorporate a bulk insertion of genetic material for 8 amino acids using material from the human digestive system.”

    That hasn’t been proven.

    “Presumably that was known precisely by Fauci”

    In other words, speculation. You’re not really sure.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Sean
  42. sinewave says:
    @Hitch

    46 in Ukraine and more in other countries because it is illegal to do what they were/are doing in U.S.
    laboratories.

  43. Agent76 says:

    May 15, 2021 The Table Top “Event 201” Pandemic Rehearsal and Its Aftermath (that accurately “predicted” the Coronavirus “pandemic” 6 weeks before it happened)

    Less than two months prior to Event 201 (October 19, 2019), Bill Gates invested up to 55 million dollars in BioNTech stock – the company that co-developed – with Pfizer – the first experimental (and still unapproved (by the FDA) 2-dose mRNA vaccine.)

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-table-top-event-201-pandemic-rehearsal-and-its-aftermath/5744198

    [MORE]

    Mar 13, 2020 We ran a massive viral pandemic simulation. Here’s what we learned about managing Coronavirus by The World Economic Forum

    In October 2019, participants at a pandemic response exercise called Event 201 were confronted with a hypothetical scenario to test the world’s preparedness for a viral disease outbreak.

  44. @The Real World

    Ron Unz has sold me it was an American bioweapon. However I am with you that the uncomfortable dry coof was both treatable and survivable with the arsenal of current medications. My itsy bitsy problem with our host’s theory is that it was the Chinese that set up the international treatment protocol that killed the millions. Perhaps the Chinese were mere dopes, who just followed Gate’s and WHO’s recommendations.

    In the end it is indeed about economics and the golden oldie theory of Thomas Malthus. It appears like the Covid set up the fear for the real ingenious weapon – slow suicide by vaccine. No one made anyone take the shot folks. Just a stealth cull the human herd for the benefit of the herd.

    • Replies: @The Real World
  45. Anon[296] • Disclaimer says:

    Rather I’d suggest an independent Nuremberg II investigation of individuals, ‘vaccine’ companies, captured regulatory agencies and then follow the evidence trail to whichever countries and labs.

  46. Covid-19 does not exist, it has never been isolated, it is an illusion, it is the flu, colds and pneumonia renamed to scare the people into taking the MRNA genocide injection and the agenda is to depopulate the world.

    Covid-19 is the biggest scam and psyop in the history of the world, and all involved should be brought before a Nuremberg style trial for crimes against humanity.

    • Agree: Sisifo
    • Thanks: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • LOL: Realist
  47. @Hitch

    HIV is the one to investigate.

    There is 100X more documentation and the evidence is in there to find an overlooked smoking gun. If such can be found with a realistic amount of work.

  48. @Iris

    I have not taken enough interest in allegations of biowarfare facilities in Ukraine to have any view on the subject. I have read suggestions that the US has provided the resources to keep a lot of Soviet era labs going for se real obvious reasons, none necessarily evil.

    • Replies: @Iris
  49. Should China take over Taiwan, either through force or overwhelming political/economic pressure, the next day we’ll be told that COVID-19 was intentionally spread from a Chinese BioWeapon facility in Wuhan.

    • Replies: @Realist
  50. dearieme says:

    I’m entirely sceptical about bio-weapons: how do you prevent them killing your own people?

    If you think you can make a bio-weapon that selects for genetic differences then Iranian/European probably offers few targets. Even Chinese/European might not offer many.

    Anyway, suppose for the sake of argument that it was an American bio-weapon. The big question is Did Trump Know? Or was it action by that Deep State that he proved entirely ineffective at doing anything about?

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  51. @Hitch

    My main concern about the Russian SMO proceeding so slowly is that they may not have neutralised all these biowarfare laboratories. They should consider using missiles on any still operational. Any news on the underground lab that was in Azovstal? Since they’ve captured all those who were hiding there and have secured the facility are they releasing any information on that biolab?

  52. big daddy says:

    Most Americans still think bin Laden did 9/11. Or that Oswald killed Kennedy. Are we sad and hopeless?

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Sparkon
  53. Charles says:

    The important thing is that Ron Unz developed a theory, based on evidence, and then asked questions. Ron Unz may be entirely, somewhat, or not-at-all correct in his Covid quest, but he is asking the questions. In our world, when the statement of the simplest facts (race, biology) land a person in a show trial, Ron is doing what was once valued, respected, and expected, but is now characterized as a crime.

    • Agree: ariadna, James of Africa
  54. Agent76 says:

    May 30, 2022 WHO Pandemic Treaty: Austria’s Minister of Health Admits to “Abolishing Democracy”. WHO as New World Government Political privatization leads us to dictatorship

    [MORE]

    As Wochenblick reported, the 75th World Health Assembly (WHA, World Health Assembly) took place this week. In the course of this meeting, the WHO wanted to be made a potential world government. According to the plans of the elite around Bill Gates, the national constitutions are to be overturned.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/who-pandemic-treaty-minister-admits-abolishing-democracy/5781817

  55. geokat62 says:
    @big daddy

    Most Americans still think bin Laden did 9/11. Or that Oswald killed Kennedy.

    Why stop there?

    or the Nazis were worse than the Bolshies
    or that Saddam had WMD
    or the USS Liberty massacre was a case of mistaken identity
    or the dastardly Ruskies interfered in the 2016 election
    or that diversity is a strength (that a healthy level of ethnocentrism is tantamount to “racism”)
    or the ADL is a “human rights” organisation

    I’ll leave it to others to add to this list.

  56. Slav says:

    Those people are well beyond reach of any investigation.

  57. ariadna says:
    @The Real World

    Can you come with a “context” in which “significant deaths were necessary, and desired” means something entirely “something other” than what is apparent?

    • Replies: @The Real World
  58. @Sean

    “ Sachs would seem to have a made a good case for an independent inquiry.”

    But we have many examples of independent inquiries in the U.S. like the Warren Commission about the JFK assassination and the 9/11 Commission. Seeking the truth about Covid will be another pipe dream.

  59. Sparkon says:
    @big daddy

    Most Americans still think bin Laden did 9/11. Or that Oswald killed Kennedy.

    No. Most Americans have always believed that JFK was killed as a result of a conspiracy, according to several Gallup Polls conducted since 1963.

    Gallup has tracked the Kennedy conspiracy question since the day of the shooting. A poll taken immediately after the murder found that 52 percent of Americans believed “others were involved in a conspiracy” while 29 percent thought Oswald acted alone.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/jfk-assassination-files/one-thing-all-americans-agree-jfk-conspiracy-n815371

    You concluded:

    Are we sad and hopeless?

    You may be, but I’m not.

    Please do not try to speak for anyone but yourself, and maybe do a little fact checking before running your keyboard.

  60. Ron Unz says:
    @geokat62

    Prominent economist, Jeffrey D. Sachs? Is this the same Jeffrey D. Sachs that strongly urged Boris Yeltsin to transition from communism to capitalism overnight? The same Jeffrey D. Sachs who urged him to follow the “shock and awe” precepts of the Washington Consensus…

    Sure, and I certainly agree that Sachs severely damaged his economics credibility by his Russia involvement—I recall he later publicly apologized for the disaster. But given that he’s an economist, it’s anyway not even clear to me that he has any of the necessary technical knowledge related to Covid and its origins that his opinion really matters. My guess is that the paper was almost entirely the work of the lead author, Prof. Neil Harrison of the Medical School, who’s previously written on Covid issues, and Harrison might have merely recruited Sachs as a Big Name in order to raise the profile of the article and get it into PNAS. But for exactly that reason, Sachs’ direct involvement and public endorsement has major importance.

    Here’s an analogy. I don’t think much of Hillary Clinton and I doubt you do either. But suppose that she gave a public speech accusing rogue elements of the American national security establishment of having used Covid to launch a biowarfare attack against China (and Iran). That would have gigantic importance.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Jon Chance
  61. Iris says:
    @Corvinus

    Thanks for spreading disinformation.

    It is not me spreading anything, it is the Pentagon itself who officially recognised “entertaining” 46 bio-laboratories in Ukraine, which nobody knew about, neither audited, nor authorised, nor verified whether they complained with any GLP (Good Laboratory Practice) standards, nor verified whether their work violated international WMD conventions.

    https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3057517/fact-sheet-on-wmd-threat-reduction-efforts-with-ukraine-russia-and-other-former/

    Which part of this very simple logical statement did you not understand?
    You really are a profound retard.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @A B Coreopsis
  62. Realist says:
    @lysias

    The courts could strike down such legislation as unconstitutional. The battle is not yet lost.

    I would put no faith in that…even the SCOTUS is a political entity.

    The Deep State has no intention of missing its goal.

    • Agree: Robert Bruce
    • Replies: @Robert Bruce
  63. schrub says:

    I have a feeling that Israel also had contacts working at the Wuhan lab while all this Covid research was going on there and decided to slip a vial out of there to try it on Iran, its eternal enemy.

    I also have a feeling that the news about original infection in Wuhan was deliberately spread by Israel both at Wuhan and then outise the country via western media in order to cover its tracks with its involvement in the concurrent outbreak of the virus in Iran.

    There is no other explanation for such an early occurrence of the virus in far off and isolated Iran.

    This was done after Israel finally realized that an outbreak of the virus that appeared solely in Iran might have seemed just a little bit too convenient critics of Israel. This feeling would have been potentially apparent among the American and Chinese scientists themselves who had also been working on engineering the virus at the Wuhan lab. By having an outbreak of the virus occur both inside China and Iran at the same time, Israel could cover its tracks avoid any potential rumors involving “convenience”.

    Would Israel be capable of an act like this that was so reckless, callous, and cowardly?

    I have an idea. Why don’t we ask prominent Palestinian American journalist Shireen Abu Akleh about her opinion of Israel’s potential culpability.

    Oops! I am afraid that Miss Akleh’s is no longer unavailable to give her opinion. She is now apparently on permanent vacation leave.

    A feeling of deja vu is starting to overwhelm me as I write this. The names Phillip Zack and Fort Detrick keeps popping up from somewhere.

    https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/9/11_Anthrax_investigation_quietly_loses_urgency

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  64. geokat62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    I recall he later publicly apologized for the disaster.

    Well, in that case, all is forgiven.

    Here’s an analogy. I don’t think much of Hillary Clinton and I doubt you do either. But suppose that she gave a public speech accusing rogue elements of the American national security establishment of having used Covid to launch a biowarfare attack against China (and Iran). That would have gigantic importance.

    Ron, if Hitlery gave such a speech, it would probably do more to convince most thinking people that she was most likely spewing more propaganda to divert us from the truth of who the real perpetrators were behind the bioweapon attack. Kinda like the effect Jeffrey D. Sachs is having on me, but to a lesser degree.

  65. Realist says:
    @American Citizen

    Should China take over Taiwan, either through force or overwhelming political/economic pressure, the next day we’ll be told that COVID-19 was intentionally spread from a Chinese BioWeapon facility in Wuhan.

    Tucker Carlson has been saying Covid was released from Wuhan from the start.

    • Replies: @BobX
    , @American Citizen
  66. Iris says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I have not taken enough interest in allegations of biowarfare facilities in Ukraine to have any view on the subject.

    Well, the reality would surprise if only you took the pain of inform yourself instead of systematically antagonising those who do.

    One of the craziest, most demented findings the Russian army made in these secret, US-managed laboratories in Ukraine is the use of migrant birds as weapon of mass destruction.

    A mind-boggling “discovery” that Russian forces in Ukraine stumbled upon is the use of numbered birds by the Pentagon-funded labs.. The project works like this:

    To begin with, the Pentagon accesses the scientific data available with environmental specialists and zoologists after studying the migration of birds and observing them throughout the seasons, relating to the path these birds take each year on their seasonal journey from one country to another and even from one continent to another.

    On the basis of this data, groups of migratory birds are caught, digitised and capsules of germs are attached to them that carry a chip to be controlled through computers. They birds are then released to the flock of the migratory birds in those target countries toward which the US intelligence has malevolent intentions.

    During the long flight of the birds that have been digitised in the Pentagon bio-labs, their movement is monitored step by step by means of satellites and the exact locations are determined. The idea is that if the Biden Administration (or the CIA) has a requirement to inflict harm on, say, Russia or China (or India for that matter), the chip is destroyed when the bird is in their skies.

    Once the “digitised” bird is killed and the capsule of germs it carries is released, the disease spreads in the “X” or “Y” country. It becomes a highly cost-effective method of harming an enemy country without any need of war or coup d’état or colour revolution.

    https://www.indianpunchline.com/migratory-birds-of-mass-destruction/

    Such unspeakable crime against all of humankind was discussed at the United Nations and the proceedings are in free access on the Internet.

    Did you hear about it? Of course not, you are too busy being an echo chamber for Fox News and Tel-Aviv.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  67. geokat62 says:

    Ron, it is plainly obvious to many by now that we’re living in a Jew World Order. Do you really believe a bioweapon attack of this magnitude would occur without the connivance of the Masters of the Universe?

    That neocon rogues, Pompeo and/or Bolton, would mastermind this diabolical scheme on their own, without it being handed to them by representatives of the Masters of the Universe?

    By the way, you have identified them as neocons, haven’t you? What does this imply?

    • Replies: @HBM
  68. skrik says:
    @Iris

    G’day. A short ‘reprise,’ if I may: I ‘independently’ discovered the SARS-CoV-2 polybasic furin cleavage site (FCS) PRRA, as reported in this comment:

    307.skrik says:
    May 8, 2020 at 8:00 pm GMT • 300 Words

    Not actually knowing exactly what this discovery was, I pursued the theme doggedly, only ‘relaxing’ after I found then investigated this comment:

    528.迪路 says:
    November 11, 2021 at 3:41 pm GMT • 600 Words

    I spent some time and effort checking a particular assertion re PRRA in that comment, until I was satisfied that I had ‘removed all reasonable doubt’ arising from it. I recommend checking my work; the resulting inference [against ‘astronomical’ odds!] may reward the effort. rgds

    PS For ‘pedantic accuracy’ [as reference for others], the ‘correct’ description of the 12-nucleotide ‘insertion’ [citing Nicholas Wade] is: “T-CCT-CGG-CGG-GC” [off-frame!]

  69. Why did they find three coronaviruses in bats in Indochina last fall that were extremely close to Covid 19 if Covid 19 was a lab leak?

    https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-871965/v1

    Abstract:

    The animal reservoir of SARS-CoV-2 is unknown despite reports of various SARS-CoV-2-related viruses in Asian Rhinolophus bats, including the closest virus from R. affinis, RaTG13. Several studies have suggested the involvement of pangolin coronaviruses in SARS-CoV-2 emergence. SARS-CoV-2 presents a mosaic genome, to which different progenitors contribute. The spike sequence determines the binding affinity and accessibility of its receptor-binding domain (RBD) to the cellular angiotensin-converting
    enzyme 2 (ACE2) receptor and is responsible for host range. SARS-CoV-2 progenitor bat viruses genetically close to SARS-CoV-2 and able to enter human cells through a human ACE2 pathway have not
    yet been identified, though they would be key in understanding the origin of the epidemics. Here we show that such viruses indeed circulate in cave bats living in the limestone karstic terrain in North Laos, within the Indochinese peninsula. We found that the RBDs of these viruses differ from that of SARS-CoV-2 by
    only one or two residues, bind as efficiently to the hACE2 protein as the SARS-CoV-2 Wuhan strain isolated in early human cases, and mediate hACE2-dependent entry into human cells, which is inhibited by antibodies neutralizing SARS-CoV-2. None of these bat viruses harbors a furin cleavage site in the spike. Our findings therefore indicate that bat-borne SARS-CoV-2-like viruses potentially infectious for humans circulate in Rhinolophus spp. in the Indochinese peninsula.

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
    , @Sean
  70. Dystopian says:
    @YLB

    My guess is Ron is a Chinese shill. There is no doubt that this was a globally coordinated attack with the expressed purpose of destroying what is left of the old world order and bringing on the new. The idea that China was unaware of the research going on in Wuhan is laughable and their production of the staged videos of people collapsing in the streets makes them an obvious player. Ron is also unapologetically pro vaccine even though it is directly responsible for the maiming and deaths of hundreds of thousands. Yes, the United States government is in on it up to scrawny necks but most of them seem to be on foreign payrolls. All paths lead to the WEF and the Davos crowd but maybe they have bosses too.

  71. KenH says:

    Delivery method still hasn’t been adequately explained by anyone promoting the claim that the U.S. was responsible for the release of COVID. I’m not discounting that that is a possible theory but it’s a known fact that the Wuhan lab was performing gain of function research on bat borne SARS like viruses one of which was 96.4% similar to SARS-COVID-2 and the closest genomic match to date.

    Pompeo is a neocon zealot so I wouldn’t put anything past him. The assassination of Soleimani in early January 2020 may also have foreshadowed near future operations against Iran involving biowarfare.

    The only thing that could make the “The U.S. didit” theory more plausible is that perhaps the CIA had a Chinese asset or two inside the Wuhan lab who deliberately released the virus but it was made to appear like a typical lab leak that happens occasionally. The Chinese communist party does dissidents and internal opposition so no doubt there are Chinese secretly working for the CIA.

    But it’s still a mystery how the virus made it to a place in Iran with a lot of top Iranian government officials and where few if any Chinese travel to.

    • Replies: @map
    , @Iris
    , @W
  72. gnbRC says:

    … the prestigious journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences carried an opinion article authored by prominent Columbia University economist Jeffrey D. Sachs …

    Can someone remind me again why a ‘prestigious journal’ and ‘Columbia University’ are synonymous with quality, accurate, and well considered analyses and expositions – especially since Barack Obama [apparently] attended Columbia University, but there are no reports of his attending any classes? Perhaps this original Internet meme has been discredited – someone do tell. And not to mention, all this against the backdrop of seemingly quasi-competent leaders such as Blinken, Nudelman, Bernanke, Yellen, Walensky, etc. leading the charge against world problems, but all seemingly lacking any semblance of a skillset allowing for the intelligent analysis, organization, and resolution of anything under their purview.

    Regardless, considering the scope of the globalists’ one-sided war against humanity, why would we now even consider COVID as a bioweapon against China resulting in ‘blow-back’? It’s pretty obvious now that these laboratory developed biotoxins were/are being systematically distributed, probably by drone or other form of aerial spraying (e.g. COVID, bird flu, monkey pox, omicron, etc.), especially considering the parallel problems with vaccine testing/efficacy, supply chain and food distribution, Ukraine action and associated sanctions, fertilizer shortages, energy shortages, etc. Oh my god … it’s all such a coincidence!

    Maybe the ‘biowarfare blowback’ narrative is due for an update. Just saying …

  73. HBM says:
    @geokat62

    I agree about Pompeo. If COVID was released by the US he had something to do with it.

  74. Corvinus says:
    @Iris

    Wait, I thought we can’t trust the Pentagon, aka the Deep State, on anything it says. So is it credible or not credible on your eyes? Why?

    Regardless, the fact of the matter is you are spreading disinformation. The biolabs were part of a negotiated known deal between the U.S. and the Ukraine. The DoD acknowledged the exact number, as well as other details.

    • Replies: @Vidi
  75. whodat says:

    The article would have more credibility if the author stayed away from imputing motives, because the knee jerk reaction to a lot of people is that this is so extreme an accusation that it is dismissed out of hand. I don’t dismiss it but let people draw their own conclusions apart from the evidence and the audience that will consider it will grow. OR at least break the discussion into two or three articles with the evidence in the first one. I personally hold a belief (dismissed out of hand by practically everyone) that the deep state actors deliberately try to manufacture crisis to use as a reason to impose their heavy handed state power grab, at least initially until it is done and they can come out in the open, – who cares- it’s established. To actually go about creating crisis to farm seems absurd and fosters a devil theory about the deep state motives. Weather/climate, war with Russia or China, Public health emergencies of various kinds, provoke a trade environment that creates critical supply issues as a product of sanctions against Russia. (for doing what the US did in Serbia to Russia over Kosovo and in Iraq to Saddam over Kuwait ) but over protection of a persecuted blood brother issue in DPR,LPR being attacked for 8 years. It seems the lack of the ability to do any self introspection is evident. It is hard to think what kind of a warped reasoning could thing the US actions were designed to benefit the citizens on the street. If I am right, we are dealing with a malevolent dangerous deep state terror cult that has woven their tentacles into business, government, industry, the media, the armed forces, the police.– I catch myself because I sound like a nut, Jeff Rense,(sorry Jeff) but that’s my point, If the accusations grow sensational enough, even if true, they are DOFH (dismissed out of hand). We are doomed i guess. The USSR was never ever a fraction of this degree of evil. I think from this point there is no political salvation. Only a cataclysm , maybe world war III, can alter the trajectory. Surely the deep state would stop short of wanting this because what’s the point of running a police state when the country is basically a disconnected and practically dead set of canton like areas barely clinging onto life. If they are going to go there, then there is one answer. Satan. I hesitate to go that far, but we will see if their headlong rush to the brink is intended to stop just short to accrue power, or go over the edge. We will see. I have an open mind about that.

    • Replies: @Sean
  76. anon[141] • Disclaimer says:

    UNZILLA!!

    Sachs is Warren+Zelikow. He’s going to burp out the lamest whitewash in human history while China and Russia get the Khabarovsk II tribunal going and render Gina She-Wolf of the SIS for incommunicado interrogation and trial. CIA’s mad scientists are so technically, circumstantally busted to a moral certainty that Gina’s gonna plea bargain for a sandbag at her hanging.

    To bullshit your way out of this historic universal jurisdiction crime, you need this guy:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/carjacking-suspect-claims-actions-were-part-of-batman-filming/

    Now that’s the kind of airtight case no one at CIA has made.

  77. Dumbo says:

    Here a bit more about the “prominent” Jeffrey (((Sachs))):

    https://davidduke.com/jeffery-sachs-policies-russia-killed-millions-lancet-study/

    The fact that Mr. Unz takes him seriously while not even referring to the crimes of (((Fauci))) and (((Bourla))) makes me think he has a deflecting agenda here, despite his good work in other areas.

  78. Sean says:
    @Corvinus

    It is beyound dispute that “The work at Wuhan involved creating a Coronavirus that would incorporate a bulk insertion of genetic material for 8 amino acids using material from the human digestive system.” There has been some handwaving. E. C. Holmes et al., The origins of SARS-CoV-2: A critical review. Cell 184, 4848–4856 (2021) asserted that the Covid -19 pathogen had a furin cleavage site with a weird sequence most unlikely to have been designed by scientists and deliberately inserted, but such is not the case. The sequence was a known functional one in certain humans cells where it is involved in the epithelial sodium channel, found on human cells in the kidney, colon, and airways.

    https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2202769119

    The NIH has specifically stated (6) that there is a significant evolutionary distance between the published viral sequences and that of SARS-CoV-2 and that the pandemic virus could not have resulted from the work sponsored by NIH. Of course, this statement is only as good as the limited data on which it is based, and verification of this claim is dependent on gaining access to any other unpublished viral sequences that are deposited in relevant US and Chinese databases (7,8). On May 11, 2022, Acting NIH Director Lawrence Tabak testified before Congress that several such sequences in a US database were removed from public view, and that this was done at the request of both Chinese and US investigators.

    Wuhan researchers got grants from the US government for inserting sequences from human cells into a Coronavirus. The pathogen that caused the Covid-19 pandemic, which began in Wuhan, had a functional sequence from human cells’ in a furin cleavage site. While this is is far from unique because other coronaviruses have the furin cleavage site, no others in the subgenus of the pathogen that caused the Covid- global pandemic have it. The pandemic’s original virus was called “Wuhan-Hu-1”; that is Wuhan where the aforementioned insertion of human sequences work was being done , paid for by the US government. Wuhan is a considerable distance–several hundred miles and a different ecological zone away–from the caves where the bats carrying the closest relative to the SARS-CoV-2 virus live. It is not in dispute that the Wuhan institute researchers were going to those caves near the Laos border and bringing back huge numbers of virus samples. Or that they were planning to insert human cell sequences into such viruses.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
  79. Sean says:
    @whodat

    It is politically charged, and common sense tells one that the scientists involved in such research know that a lab origin is a hot potato. Sachs et al point to the dubiousness of the central assertion in the best known paper debunking a deliberate lab manufacture of the virus. A lot of scientists must have known that, but feared the consequences of speaking up for a point of view associated with Trump. Also seen as anti- science.

  80. The entire thing had been scripted.

  81. Wasn’t it the Obama Administration that (under guise of defunding bio weapons) moved gain of function research labs from Chapel Hill to places near and far that should a bio weapons leak escaped, USA would have its hands cleansed from any wrong doing?

    You don’t have to be a rocket scientist or privy to classified top secret docs to see the trail of money, lies and coverup used by not just five eyes, but most every eye on the planet.

    There is a GlobalHomoZioBIGsRxMIC3BLM conspiracy that encircles the earth, and anyone who is unable to see have been blinded by propaganda and disinformation emanating from the halls of every alphabet agency around the world.

    Some would call this a seed (virus) testing extinction event, I would call it “Twilights Last Glimmimg” .

    Enjoy the shitshow everyone, while it lasts.

  82. anon[232] • Disclaimer says:

    Sean’s back! Know why? Cause Daszak is CIA.

    https://kanekoa.substack.com/p/was-peter-daszak-working-for-the

    All the pukes who announced in Nature Medicine, “Shut up, Shut up, It was natural origin!!!” – they’re CIA.

    https://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2022/06/faucis-covid-origins-coverup-spook.html

    CIA did COVID just like CIA did Anthrax as part of its 911 provocation.

    https://911truth.org/2001-anthrax-deception-case-domestic-conspiracy/

    Russia finally got fed up, and they have selected the most inexcusable and atrocious of all CIA’s inexcusable atrocious crimes to drop the NHB into its footprint and free the Western bloc.

  83. anastasia says:

    If what Unz is saying is true, I do not believe it was “exceptionally reckless”. Even as it concerns US citizens, it was probably deliberate.

  84. anastasia says:

    The government is doing everything possible to destroy our own economy. Why not use Covid to that end also.

    • Replies: @Iris
  85. ARepli says:

    You can read Unz’ stuff or check out youtube for thousands of hours of old Manly P. Hall tapes.

    This is another Unz boilerplate: Nostradamus of Covid. Keep repeating wild conjectures hoping that one day what you suspect turns out to be true.

    All that’s required is for Unz to lead off with the evidence and let it speak for itself.

    But that’s not what Unz does. Like Hall, positions himself as a gatekeeper to arcane facts coded deeply into references many levels away from his claims. You must read Unz to read into the matter — these days hopefully by buying some short and reasonably priced books! They contain thousands of words per dollar.

    Any reader of Unz Review can quickly survey Ron’s patter, as he repeats precisely the same step-wise mantra about how his thinking has evolved from not much caring to an idle curiosity that unfolded into deep insights buttressed by “overwhelming evidence”. Evidence today which lays buried somewhere in the vast number of words he’s emitted. If you dig, you will find only factoids which amplify more convoluted conjectures. Charts and graphs add a tedious sense of quantification, but never clarify.

    Unz’ articles are the meanderings of a man who wishes to know something, but simply doesn’t, and who can’t take steps towards knowledge because they might lead away from what he wishes were true. He offers crackpot analysis of a kind that’s natural to the southern west coast white libertarian mindset: it’s not about understanding ideas but about being recognized for being smart and influential. If you can’t dazzle ’em with facts, make them with bullshit.

    I keep reading along to enjoy Ron’s sojourn into the mysteries of intellectual carnival barking, but find only disappointment Unz’ promises of an exposé, as his writing only ever offers more elliptical references and hews towards more self-aggrandizing postures.

    • Replies: @Charles
  86. @Hitch

    If this were a board game, it would be called “Plausible Deniability”.

    Everyone takes turn being accused of crimes against humanity.

    Your ability to win rest on how well you lie, deflect, and bribe your way out of being assassinated by CIA/Mossad agents.

  87. map says:
    @KenH

    It’s simpler than Unz imagines.

    The bioweapon was released in China by sabotaging the Wuhan bioweapons lab. In retaliation, the Chinese left their air travel open from Wuhan to the rest of the world.

  88. “an exceptionally reckless American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran)”

    What’s the logic behind China and Iran being so tight lipped about this potential attack?

    If this was a USA based bio attack on China why aren’t they complaining about it?

    • Replies: @picture111
    , @Ron Unz
  89. BobX says:
    @Realist

    “was released”

    To think the lab leak hypothesis is reasonable to not rule out before doing the work to investigate is not quite the same as “was released”.

    • Replies: @Realist
  90. The idea that a printed book will do more to change hearts and minds than video or online evidence is a nice thought, but bullies only understand violence and defeat.

    What the west needs right now is a massive domestic hardship, loss and death that can be clearly attributed to the failures and cruelty of our own leaders. Lucky for us all, tons of that is on the way.

  91. @dearieme

    “…it was an American bio-weapon. The big question is Did Trump Know?”

    Dr. Unz says, Mr. Trump might well not have known the .

  92. @davidgmillsatty

    I linked to the preprint article.

    Here is the final article published in Nature if anyone cares since most seem here to care much more about politics than virology:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04532-4

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  93. “A call for an independent inquiry into the origin of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.” Yes, this is what we need. They are approaching the issue the right way, with data.

    Ron Unz, what is your opinion about the monkeypox outbreak in the West? The monkeypox simulation became reality exactly when it was foretold. https://nypost.com/2022/05/28/monkeypox-simulation-in-2021-predicted-current-outbreak/

  94. Mark Hunter says: • Website
    @lloyd

    RU almost always mentions Iran in the same breath as China. In earlier articles he attributes the bio-attack against China (and Iran) to U.S. Neocons, whose sine qua non is fanatical support of Israel.

    Israel’s leaders hate Iran. It doesn’t matter that Iran is no threat to America. Neither was Iraq in 2003. Neocons infiltrated the U.S. government beginning with the Reagan administration and have held positions of power and influence ever since, including during the Trump administration.

    Whether Israel’s Mossad was involved in the bio-attack is another question. All that can be said at this point is that it is possible.

    lloyd’s  “This ‘cabal’ are Christian millenarians?”  is a silly straw man set up as the only alternative to the Mossad to make the latter look obvious.

    He insinuates that RU doesn’t criticize the Mossad because he fears for his life. Actually, less than a year ago he wrote an entire article arguing that the Mossad and its U.S. collaborators was very probably behind 9-11, part of his American Pravda series:  Seeking 9/11 Truth After Twenty Years.

    • Replies: @lloyd
  95. U.S. NIH and CDC know who invented this virus, and that is why CDC specifically asking NONE of the U.S. researchers can go back to do any gene sequencing of the pre-Dec. 2019 U.S. flu cases, or so called e-cig. pneumonia showing up as early as July 2019 in the U.S.

  96. @ariadna

    Answer: Yes.

    Please re-read my PRO TIP and source the video.
    Btw, the longer video interview is posted on one of these threads from a couple weeks ago. We’ve been through this already.

  97. chrimony says:

    I haven’t been on the site in months, but I come back and see this drivel again by the esteemed site owner, Mr. Unz. The overwhelming evidence is that it came out of the Wuhan Lab. Was the US partly to blame? Yes, they helped fund the research and were the progenitors of this type of research before outsourcing it to China. And let’s not forget the British snake Peter Daszak over at EchoHealth Alliance.

    Keep tilting at windmills, giving pardons to China, and ignoring insanely dangerous gain-of-function research.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  98. @Old and Grumpy

    Questions:

    was the Chinese that set up the international treatment protocol that killed the millions.

    I haven’t heard about that. Pls elaborate.

    golden oldie theory of Thomas Malthus

    And that theory is?

    Just a stealth cull the human herd for the benefit of the herd.

    Just a stealth cull the human herd for the benefit of the globalist 1%er types, their families and henchmen. FIFY…

    • Replies: @JM
    , @Anon
  99. @interesting

    China and Iran and as well as Russia have been very vocal about Covid-19 might be a U.S. Made bioweapon. but U.S. MSM categorically claiming they are conspiracies.

    https://www.voanews.com/a/science-health_coronavirus-outbreak_iranian-commander-suggests-virus-might-be-us-biological-weapon/6185406.html

    And in China, hundreds articles saying it was the U.S. players who spread the virus in Wuhan Military Game back in 2019.

    • Replies: @Sean
  100. Sean says:
    @picture111

    China and Russia could and surely would do something a lot more effective than bleat if they truly thought the Covid pandemic was a deliberate attack by the US with a purpose made bioweapon

    • Thanks: 36 ulster
    • Replies: @annamaria
  101. Jimmy4 says:

    Ron Unz continues to amaze with his public spiritedness & commitment to determining the truth — no matter how controversial & un-welcome (to the establishment) which that truth might be.

    The only downside to his behavior is that ordinary citizens like me inevitably compare our efforts to his & they seem feeble & pathetic!

  102. Vidi says:
    @Corvinus

    Wait, I thought we can’t trust the Pentagon, aka the Deep State, on anything it says. So is it credible or not credible on your eyes? Why?

    The Pentagon may or may not be your Deep State. But why would DoD actually back up what a hostile power (Russia) has been saying? The answer is that it was probably forced to do so by some other damning information — which gives the admission greater credibility.

  103. Thousands of words spent on a quite possibly totally irrelevant topic. Before we discuss the origin, we should discuss the very existence, don’t you agree? Let’s spend some time in research of electronic microscope shots, if any… any spectroscopy analyses… if any….how about presenting any evidence of existence of this particular virus and its actual virulence. Has it been isolated, what are its properties , how it differs from other viruses… Is there evidence on what actual disease this virus can cause… what exactly are the symptoms that uniquely characterize that particular disease….how does that particular disease actually differ from other diseases … what are vectors of spreading, if any … is it really transferable … etc…etc Talking about origin of an entity whose mere existence is not sufficiently backed up by facts can be … well you tell me.

    • Replies: @Ralph B. Seymour
  104. Sparkon says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    Thanks davidgmillsatty.

    I still see nothing to rule out an entirely natural origin for SARS-CoV-2.

    From their interview of Peter Daszak:

    [The Intercept] Did you find any of these cleavage sites in naturally occurring viruses that you collected?

    [Peter Daszak] The proposal was not funded so we didn’t do that work. We’ve not found polybasic cleavage sites. However, they are in many coronaviruses from bats. Papers from Europe show mutations around that cleavage site that suggest strongly that that furin cleavage site could evolve very easily in nature. I’m sure there are viruses out there with it. I’m convinced that it could have easily evolved during the first stages of the pandemic, as the virus got from bats, perhaps into an intermediate host in a wildlife farm, or into people.

    How many actual viruses do they have?

    [Daszal] WIV does not have the biggest collection of viruses from bats in the world. There’s 20,000 bat samples, something like that, tiny fecal pellets from bats.

    Right now I don’t know exactly how many bat coronaviruses are in culture and freezers at the WIV. But from our work, I know that out of the SARS-related coronavirus, they were only ever able to culture a handful. I think three cultures. It’s not easy to do.

    https://theintercept.com/2022/03/11/covid-nih-ecohealth-peter-daszak-interview/

    [my italic emphasis]

    • Thanks: davidgmillsatty
    • Replies: @Sean
    , @davidgmillsatty
  105. Charles says:
    @ARepli

    Unfortunately there is no “pedantic idiot” button for your comment.

  106. lloyd says: • Website
    @Mark Hunter

    The first person who investigated the Mossad role in 911, was shot in a car park by a gang of Somalis in America. I don’t recall the name. His mother was with him and had the temerity to take down the assassins’ number plate. The local cops arrested them. They were released on bail and disappeared permanently. Once information on secret Government actions is public, it is then allowed to be published as “conspiracy theories”. That delegates it to crack pot and also reveals the power of the secret Government. Maybe in a few years’ time, one might be able to report in archives the role of Mossad in Corona-19. I am not dogmatic about it myself. Surely Mossad would not put out a virus that kills and sickens huge numbers of Israelis. But the world now does appear to be run by maniacs.

  107. Ron Unz says:
    @interesting

    What’s the logic behind China and Iran being so tight lipped about this potential attack?

    If you bothered reading my articles or watching my video interviews, you’d know that the Iranian political and military leaders almost immediately accused American of having launched a Covid biowarfare attack against their own country (and China), and the former Iranian president even filed an official protest with the United Nations. But since none of that was ever reported in the American media, almost no Americans are aware of that controversy.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/#the-long-forgotten-early-iranian-outbreak

    Since the loud Iranian accusations were simply ignored, the Chinese probably decided not to bother, especially since the blowback of the outbreak had begun devastating American society. Anyway, neither the Iranians nor the Chinese had hard proof, and since America totally dominates the global media, they would just be portrayed as irresponsible lunatics.

    A related factor is that the American MSM had quickly proclaimed that the Covid virus was entirely natural and the outbreak a random event. Obviously, if Covid was natural, it couldn’t have been an American biowarfare attack against China or Iran.

    • Replies: @mcohen
    , @interesting
  108. Sean says:
    @Sparkon

    It’s not easy to do.

    Eight amino acids on the the famous spike protein of the pandemic virus are identical to a functional amino acid sequence in human respiratory cells

    The insertion of such FCS sequences into SARS-like viruses was a specific goal of work proposed by the EHA-WIV-UNC partnership within a 2018 grant proposal (“DEFUSE”) that was submitted to the US Defense Advanced Research Projects (DARPA)

    .”

    Daszak and Wuhan researchers in collaboration asked for US government money to for putting a sequence into a coronavirus of the SARS family. Then there was a novel coronavirus pandemic that originated in Wuhan; it was pathogenic and highly transmissible because it had just such a sequence in it

    • Thanks: annamaria
    • Replies: @Sparkon
  109. Voltara says:

    The facts no longer support Ron’s hypothesis. If the objective was an economic war with China why have the leaders of the west deliberately destroyed their nations’ economies? Surely part of an economic battle with China is not deliberately tanking your own economy? The whole covid narrative has been manufactured and has little in common with the scientific/medical reality, the economic damage inflicted on the USA/West was not necessary and could have been avoided. It makes no sense unless part of the plan was an attack on the American public.

    • Agree: Robert Bruce
    • Replies: @Ralph B. Seymour
    , @Vidi
  110. @Iris

    Obvious questions. Why would the US have so many labs for biowarfare in Ukraine? How is it possible if they were warfare related that the alleged details about migratory birds were allowed to fall into Russian hands? While one could not exclude the obtaining of knowledge valuable for biowarfare is it not likely, indeed certain, that the experiments with migratory birds could have sensible scientific explanatiiins? (Wat viruses were used in the tests?).

  111. Realist says:
    @BobX

    To think the lab leak hypothesis is reasonable to not rule out before doing the work to investigate is not quite the same as “was released”.

    Carlson has lived in this country for fifty-three years, he should know what this country has been doing for the past seventy-seven years…it’s all documented.

    Carlson is controlled opposition.

  112. Sparkon says:
    @Sean

    You’re taking Daszak’s remark completely out of context, and making flights of logic “It’s not easy to do” refers to starting SARS-related coronavirus cultures in a lab.

    …out of the SARS-related coronavirus, they were only ever able to culture a handful. I think three cultures. It’s not easy to do.

    — Peter Daszak

    You claimed

    Daszak and Wuhan researchers blah blah blah

    That was addressed in the Intercept interview I cited to quote Dasak:

    But you acknowledge that you proposed to DARPA to insert a furin cleavage site?

    [Peter Daszak] I refute that that was the goal of the DARPA proposal. The idea was not to insert a furin cleavage site in a virus to see what happens. That’s not what was proposed. The proposal was to look for those polybasic cleavage sites in nature because we knew that that was the potential to make a virus more able to infect people and move from person to person. If we found mutations around that polybasic cleavage site that looked like it could be evolvable, the idea was then that Ralph Baric’s lab at UNC would do some work to see how evolvable that site was. So that work never happened. The proposal was not funded.

    https://theintercept.com/2022/03/11/covid-nih-ecohealth-peter-daszak-interview/

    • Thanks: davidgmillsatty
    • Replies: @Sean
  113. mcohen says:
    @Ron Unz

    Hi Ron or who ever you are

    Back again with covid.It is too soon with the conspiracies.you need to wait at least 10 years.
    Conspiracies don’t fire up when you are living it.

    You have blown it vis a piss with the jew hatred.you will be gone by august

    • Replies: @annamaria
  114. JM says:
    @The Real World

    Agreed. One assertion after the other and all unsubstantiated.

    “Covid” has created an army of “experts” spreading disinformation and mostly unintentionally. One that was the smuggling in of the theory in the justified climate of doubt that that viruses don’t cause disease when the evidence to the contrary is overwhelming.

  115. While they dictate the need for two C19 Frankshots and more booster Clot Shots in order to have the right to travel abroad or dine inside, I’ll be waiting for the next round of mandatory Gay Monkey Pox shots with the addition of surgical butt plugs to compliment surgical face diaper’s.

    So let me get this straight, in order that anal sex GlobalHomo’s are not shamed, boo’d, beaten and burned at the stake, straights will be ordered to wear Big Pharma Approved butt plugs just in case you’re raped by feral monkeys. That’s right, here’s the video to prove Gay Monkeys infecting you with Pox are anal raping humans across the planet. (Video link of CIA/Mossad produced gay monkey rapes).

    How much crazier will they get?

    Voice in head: CQ, wait till they start slinging Schitt at walls faster than they can make it, that’s the sign of the coming great prophesy as foretold by ancient wizards.

    • Thanks: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  116. @schrub

    There is at least one flaw in your argument. There is nothing to be made of the difference between a two hour flight and a six hour flight from China. So, if there was a superspreading Islamic cleric in Iran as there was a superspreading Christian woman in Korea the problem has a different aspect.

  117. @Realist

    Precisely why I made the original comment. It seems either the legislature or SC cucks on the really important or hard issues. Look at the GOP Senate and the 10 that actually helped sponsor the gun control bill. The reading basically says your firearms can be confiscated if you are deemed to be dangerous or likely to hurt people.

    • Thanks: Realist
  118. Maybe 30 years from now when USA is reduced to a richer version of Brazil. No way this kind of investigation would go any where. It could even end up like 9/11, which is never. Because if the truth ever gets out, armed revolution would happen. Imagine 1.5 million American deaths at the hands of our own 3 letter agencies, blood would flow.

  119. @Realist

    You are certainly correct about the controllers.

    Does the US illegally develop all sorts of bioweapons? Yes it does. And you can believe that some of those bioweapons were selectively deployed in 2020 in order to convince the public that there was a ubiquitous novel and deadly corona virus that was infecting the public.

    But there is no “virus”. All the propaganda claiming that “covid 19” (whatever that is) is the result of a “virus” is a lie, a fairy tale.

    Why is there no test for the Sars Co V2 “virus” ? Because there is no Sars Co V2 “virus”.

    You may say, “but the Sars Co V2 “virus” is patented” . Yes, it is. And it exists only on the pages of that patent.

    The Sars Co V2 “virus” has never been isolated. End of story.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Realist
  120. @Voltara

    Great common sense point.

    But it has apparently never occurred to Ron.

    And why is that? Based on my past experience with Ron’s thinking, I think it’s because that particular elephant- in -the- room piece of logic has never appeared in pages of the NYT.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  121. @Sparkon

    I really don’t see much evidence that it is not natural.

  122. Sean says:
    @Sparkon

    Daszak has a dog in this fight, as he was the conduit for the supply of American government funding to the Wuhan Institute of Virology; despite that he was appointed a member on the joint China-Worlds Health Organisation investigation into the origin of the pandemic. In January 14, 2020 the WHO had told the world “Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China.” Lies.

    The idea was not to insert a furin cleavage site in a virus to see what happens.

    The aim of the research that Daszak unsucesssfull proposed the US military fund in 2018 was to find (in a remote abandoned mineshaft near the China-Laos border) a naturally evolved virus, and then create a clone of a naturally evolved virus with a naturally evolved furin cleavage site. Such a natural virus would be highly infectious between humans because it would interact with furin, which is an enzyme found in the cells lining human airways. So a clone would be an infectious respiratory disease clone. Prof Baric taught the Chinese how to make such a clone in preperation for creating the clone, and less than two years later just such a virus first appeared, not in the bat caves in South China but Wuhan, and this not long after there were roadblocks around the Wuhan Virology institute while cellphone use around it greatly decreased. The Covid-19 pathogen is unique among SARS-related betacoronaviruses in having a furin cleavage site.

    • Thanks: annamaria
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  123. Vidi says:
    @Voltara

    The facts no longer support Ron’s hypothesis. If the objective was an economic war with China why have the leaders of the west deliberately destroyed their nations’ economies?

    From the Merrian-Webster dictionary (link): “blowback: an unforeseen and unwanted effect, result, or set of repercussions”.

    In other words, the blowback was accidental, not deliberate. The perpetrators of COVID-19 (likely Americans) almost certainly did not intend to kill a million people in the US. Why would they want to inflict twenty Vietnam Wars on their own country? The megadeath was almost certainly an accident. Never attribute to deliberate malice that which can be explained by sheer incompetence. (Malice was certainly behind the initial attack, but not behind the blowback.)

    So Ron’s hypothesis continues to stand, and your attempted answer fails.

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
    , @YLB
    , @Voltara
  124. @ld

    I wouldn’t call them sub-human. That mitigates their evil. Lambs and ducks are subhuman, but love everyone.

    Agreed, euthanazing, maybe with gas, would be better than shooing them away, thus inflicting them on others.

  125. @Ralph B. Seymour

    Why is there no test for the Sars Co V2 “virus” ? Because there is no Sars Co V2 “virus”.

    How come I have to take a test every time I catch a cold or want to travel? I even have a choice of tests I can take.

    • Replies: @Ralph B. Seymour
  126. @Ron Unz

    As always you make some solid claims and I’ve been trying to do a deep dive in regards to your position on the topic, life interrupts. The MSM is worthless. I’ll do more reading and reevaluate.

    “that the Covid virus was entirely natural”

    having had the virus I can say, without question, that in my experience, it was anything BUT natural. I’ve never had a “cold” or “flu” like that, ever.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  127. @Dumbo

    Goddamn, this “prominent” JEW [Jeffrey Sachs] is one of the main people behind the rape or Russia in the 1990s. He never paid the price for being wrong, then or now.

    Sachs is often right. That is precisely how he made so much money along with the other opportunistic Jewish oligarchs in the plunder of Russia. So, his opinion can indeed be valid, but this does not mean he is not a criminal.

  128. Alfred says:

    Unlike Mr Unz, I am much more interested in the “vaccines” and what is coming down the road. At this point, the rear-view mirror is of not much use IMHO.

    I strongly suspect that there is a far more dangerous version of Covid is going to be released. Those who destroyed their immune system with gene therapies are done for. Russia and China did not play this game. Most of the third-world did not follow the script.

    Brutal countdown to the brutally obvious

    https://thedreizinreport.com/2022/06/13/brutal-countdown-to-the-brutally-obvious/

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Punch Brother Punch
  129. @Anon

    Who does not want to know with certainty about the true origins of this germ? Updates should be part of every White House press briefing until we get to the bottom of it.

    If Mr. Unz wants more coverage of his hypothesis, I suggest he do his own series of podcasts. In an earlier installment of this series Unz mentions he is friends with Nicolas Wade. There you go. Kick it off with a conversation with him. Then bring in other voices, like Dr. Robert Malone and Dr. Peter McCullough. Though, this will necessarily bring in the angle of epic criminal malfeasance around the lockdowns, mass censorship, vaccine mandates, etc. Exactly all the stuff Mr. Unz has totally avoided in his series of essays on Covid. And the primary reason I cannot take his thesis seriously. (That and its frail chronology and reliance on too much conjecture.)

    p.s. In a recent interview with Kevin Jihad Barrett, Linh Dinh blurted out something about Ron Unz being friends with Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla. This suggest a huge conflict of interest. IF true, it could explain a lot about why Mr. Unz has been so fantastically uncritical over the idiotic and tyrannical “public health” actions that have occurred around the world. Perhaps he could clear that up for his many wavering fans.

    (And sorry for the double post a minute ago; your system seemed to not have worked the first time.)

  130. eah says:

    The tests obviously don’t work Unz — the whole ‘pandemic’ narrative was held together by idiotically mass testing millions and millions of healthy people, many of them regularly (another kind of ‘mandate’), and counting every positive result, including huge numbers of false positives, as a ‘case’.

    • Replies: @Punch Brother Punch
  131. @interesting

    Just recently I have seen reports that the virus is bacteriophagic, and attacks the gut flora, possibly the cause of ‘long CoViD’. It also attacks T-cells, and appears to re-activate ‘dormant’ viruses in some lucky customers. It keeps getting more complicated. All those serial passages through human cell lines and ‘humanised’ mice have come up with a real doozy.

  132. @Sean

    The US created Sars CoV2, and, of course, releasing it near the WIV, the only such institute in China, was perfect for false attribution. They had set the scene with some US ‘diplothug’ lying, in 2018, that the WIV was ‘sub-standard’, those gooks being dumb compared to Whitey, eh Sean. It’s pretty much open and shut, what with the character of US ruling elites, which is unprecedentedly Evil.

  133. @Ralph B. Seymour

    The aim was to harm China, and crash the West, too, to prepare for the Great Reset, while blaming China, as a casus belli. Of course, no plan ever goes according to the planners’ ambitions. At the end of the Real Evil Empire the apparatchiki have become unprecedentedly reckless, and drunk on their own hubris and lust for destruction.

    • Agree: Slav
  134. Sean says:
    @Alfred

    Africans do not die of Covid because they don’t have any Neanderthal ancestry.

    • Replies: @thotmonger
  135. Old Bill says:

    Who was it who scooped up all those Japanese scientists from that appalling prison camp/research facility in China in 1945?

    Who was it who dropped plague infested rats over N Korea and China during the Korean War? (ref Wilfred Burchett)

    Who was it who showed absolutely no restraint in testing radioactive, chemical, and biological weapons on their own people?

    Who was it were sprung dead-to-rights conducting biowarfare research in Ukraine – with a specific intent to create slav-specific agents?

    Who has form?

  136. Sean says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    The border with Laos is a long way from Wuhan? The Wuhans researcher were gathering virus samples there, and the first outbreak in the World just happens to be down the road from thea lab? I think that propinquity is salient, The China-WHO team on the origin of Covid said in their official report that more investigation into the frozen fish from Europe hypothesis needs to be done. It is risible.

  137. I love Ed Dutton. Great to see Unz talking with him.

  138. @Alfred

    Those who destroyed their immune system with gene therapies are done for.

    As of June 12, 2022, 67% of the U.S. population has been fully vaccinated.  That’s around 222 million people. 

    If 222 million Americans were to drop dead, you would be living in a nightmarish, apocalyptical scenario beyond your wildest imaginings.

    I don’t think anti-vaxxers really understand what they’re asking for when they gleefully and malevolently gloat over the vaxxeds’ impending deaths.

    Russia and China did not play this game.

    China’s fully-vaxxed percentage is 89%. Russia’s is 50%.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
    , @interesting
    , @Alfred
  139. Slav says:

    It wasn’t a bioweapon, it was released to create conditions for implementing WEF’s Great Reset.

  140. @eah

    The tests obviously don’t work Unz — the whole ‘pandemic’ narrative was held together by idiotically mass testing millions and millions of healthy people,

    Weird how Unz keeps pointing out the glaring statistics on “excess deaths” since the start of the pandemic and nobody ever seems to address that point, other than to offer ludicrous conspiracy theories like demonic supervillain Fauci is killing all these people by pumping them full of Remdesivir or something.

    • Replies: @eah
  141. It has been known for some time that the covid virus originally came from University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. When gain of function study was outlawed, the work was packaged up and sent to the Wuhan biowar lab, along with the funding, which was laundered through an NGO, and the virus we know and love became what we know in the tender clutches of Chinese scientists.

    There is no news in any of this.

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  142. @Vidi

    Sorry, but I don’t consider Ron’s hypothesis to have much validity. I don’t consider his sources to have much in the way of expertise. What I constantly find to be troublesome with the lab leak theory is that nobody ever seems to be willing to to go to pubmed and search. There are hundreds of peer papers that support the hypothesis that Covid 19 was natural. From all over the world. And these are people who do this kind of research daily in the best labs of the world. Even the people who seem to have expertise and think the lab theory to be possible, do not seem to be actively engaged in doing research in major labs. With all of the enemies that China and the US have, certainly there would be peer review papers published from researchers in high quality labs supporting the lab leak theory. I don’t see them. The dog just doesn’t bark.

    • Replies: @Iris
  143. @Quartermaster

    “It has been known” has the same validity of “anonymous sources in the administration say.”

  144. @Commentator Mike

    You really don’t know?

    That’s just part of the fairy tale. This whole thing is a joke— on us.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  145. Madness says:

    Madness. The idea that malevolent powers in US government would unleash something so indiscriminate and statistically ineffective with the intent of targeting the populations of specific nations is just pure nuts. And there are no whistle-blowers?

    Sure, “our” scientists and “their” scientists have been dicking around with altering viruses because that’s what they do – to our peril. I think that’s what the paper you hold up as support to your theory is addressing – what was the US’s role in altering viruses. The paper has nothing whatsoever to do with your theory besides that one aspect.

    Yes, it’s my understanding that the US gave Chinese scientists altered viruses to do research on with the idea that better understanding could allow us to respond more effectively when animal viruses mutate and jump to humans.

    If there was one tangible shred of evidence that the US was behind the pandemic, the Chinese, along with the rest of the world, would be ripping us a new one – and they’re not. What the Chinese have done is actively impede any outside investigation into what may have happened in their country. What does that tell you?

    Scientists want to reactivate pathogens from hundreds of thousands if not millions of years ago and assure us that they will be contained and it’s all perfectly safe. Physicists at CERN want to pull threads from the fabric of the universe without knowing with absolute certainty what the consequences might be – and so far the universe hasn’t unraveled, but they’re not done yet.

    It’s the unintended consequences of well meaning but myopic scientists, supremely confident in their knowledge and abilities who are subject to all of the lesser human failings as well. I think of the doctor working with Ebola who contracted it and flew from Africa for treatment because he didn’t want to die and risked starting an epidemic elsewhere. Some scientist from the Wuhan lab screwed up on protocol and got infected and carried the virus out of the lab into the general population. Classic.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  146. Realist says:
    @Ralph B. Seymour

    We disagree.

    The virus does exist…and it is unlike any flu or pneumonia before.

  147. Ron Unz says:
    @Madness

    Madness. The idea that malevolent powers in US government would unleash something so indiscriminate and statistically ineffective with the intent of targeting the populations of specific nations is just pure nuts…

    Hmmm… So how do you explain that Robert Kadlec, America’s leading biowarfare advocate, spent eight months working with state and federal officials to prepare America against leakage from a dangerous respiratory virus that might suddenly appear in China just before exactly that “unexpected” event actually happened in Wuhan:

    For example, in 2017 Trump brought in Robert Kadlec, who since the 1990s had been one of America’s leading biowarfare advocates. The following year in 2018 a mysterious viral epidemic hit China’s poultry industry and in 2019, another mysterious viral epidemic devastated China’s pork industry…

    From the earliest days of the administration, leading Trump officials had regarded China as America’s most formidable geopolitical adversary, and orchestrated a policy of confrontation. Then from January to August 2019, Kadlec’s department ran the “Crimson Contagion” simulation exercise, involving the hypothetical outbreak of a dangerous respiratory viral disease in China, which eventually spreads into the United States, with the participants focusing on the necessary measures to control it in this country. As one of America’s foremost biowarfare experts, Kadlec had emphasized the unique effectiveness of bioweapons as far back as the late 1990s and we must commend him for his considerable prescience in having organized a major viral epidemic exercise in 2019 that was so remarkably similar to what actually began in the real world just a few months later.

    With leading Trump officials greatly enamored of biowarfare, fiercely hostile to China, and running large-scale 2019 simulations on the consequences of a mysterious viral outbreak in that country, it seems entirely unreasonable to completely disregard the possibility that such extremely reckless plans may have been privately discussed and eventually implemented, though probably without presidential authorization.

    I bet you never heard about that or all the other striking evidence. Maybe you should bother reading my articles or watching my video interviews or buying my book.

    https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/



    Video Link

  148. eah says:
    @Punch Brother Punch

    I didn’t say anything about ‘excess deaths’ — to be perfectly honest, I care far more about preserving my personal freedom, and preventing future authoritarian government measures, than investigating whether there have been ‘excess deaths’, or their cause (assuming there have been ‘excess deaths’).

    I’m concerned about coercion and authoritarian measures because I believe that a criterion one should use to judge the moral quality of a person is their willingness to use coercion on others, or to endorse state coercion used on others.

    I simply pointed out that the tests for COVID are wildly inaccurate, and that the ‘pandemic’ narrative was kept alive by (to repeat myself) mass testing millions and millions of healthy people, many of them regularly (another kind of ‘mandate’), and counting every positive result, including huge numbers of false positives, as a ‘case’ — which is the truth.

    Therefore, it is, to say the least, suspect to attribute any ‘excess deaths’ to COVID, since these are based on tests for COVID, which are not reliable.

    See the logic there?

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Punch Brother Punch
  149. Iris says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    There are hundreds of peer papers that support the hypothesis that Covid 19 was natural.

    More often than not, intelligent scientists are emphatic and good people, with a heightened sense of their responsibilities towards society.

    I think that most of them are conscious that questioning the origins of Covid amounts at opening the Pandora box of geopolitical confrontation, with the risk of a very serious confrontation, without even having the consolation of a definitive proof. As an ethical person, would you do it? Of course not, it is a “Judgement of Salomon” situation. Better letting the suspected state actor get scot-free than risking to harm millions of innocents in the process of getting justice.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  150. Iris says:
    @KenH

    But it’s still a mystery how the virus made it to a place in Iran with a lot of top Iranian government officials and where few if any Chinese travel to.

    Unfortunately, Iran has a relatively poor and large populations, amongst which black sheep can more easily be found.

    For instance, over the decades has unfolded a systematic plan of assassination of key Iranian nuclear scientists, masterminded and paid for without a doubt by Israel, but most likely carried out by corrupt nationals with the help of the Mujahideen Khaleq treacherous terrorist organisation.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10914861/Iran-suspects-Israel-POISONED-two-scientists.html

    https://www.voanews.com/a/extremism-watch_history-assassinations-irans-top-nuclear-scientists/6199135.html

    It would have been incomparably easier to find dumb local criminal operatives to spread Covid in Qom, Iran, than in it would have been in developed and modern Wuhan, China.

  151. Iris says:
    @anastasia

    The government is doing everything possible to destroy our own economy. Why not use Covid to that end also.

    Yes, I agree with you.

    Just before Covid was made to happen, the Wall Street financial scene went through the “Repo crisis” (Repurchase agreement crisis) in September 2019, which resonated as an ominous echo of the Bear Sterns failure of August 2007, which itself announced the Great Financial Crisis of 2008.

    https://wolfstreet.com/2019/10/09/the-day-repo-rates-blew-out-fed-recounts-a-fiasco-that-occurred-as-the-fomc-was-meeting-and-how-it-reacted/

    The Federal Reserve had to step in, but this crisis was the signal that the financialised Ponzi scheme Western economy was about to collapse, and that scapegoats(Covid and China) were necessary to ensure its softer landing and to deflect responsibilities.

  152. Levtraro says:
    @Punch Brother Punch

    China’s fully-vaxxed percentage is 89%. Russia’s is 50%.

    Wrong comparison. Russia’s vaccine is vector-based (as used prev. in humans against Ebola), China’s are inactivated virus (as India’s). Alfred is talking about western mRNA vaccines, done with a technology never used before in humans.

    • Replies: @Punch Brother Punch
  153. Iris says:
    @Avianthro

    Show that the genome of the virus that first hit Wuhan is different from the one that first hit Iran,

    Oh, there is definitely evidence that the strain of virus that hit Iran in the early days of the pandemic was distinctly differentiated from the one sequenced in Wuhan at the same time.

    Although, I believe, Iran did not carry out early genome sequencing, such research was indirectly performed in Australia.

    Travellers returning from Iran to Australia and New Zealand were found to have caught Covid and provided early samples in January and February 2020.

    These Iranian-acquired clads were notably different from the virus that appeared in China at the same time; they are represented in the greyed area to the right of the phylogenetic tree:

    Of note, the genomes of all patients with a history of travel to Iran were part of a monophyletic group defined by three nucleotide substitutions (G1397A, T28688C & G29742T) in the SARS-CoV-2 genome relative to the Wuhan prototype strain (Figure 1B). G1397A and T28688C both occur in coding regions with G1397A producing a non-synonymous change (V378I) in the ORF1ab encoded non-structural protein 2 region. G29742T occurs in the 3’ UTR.

    In addition to the Australian and New Zealand strains, this clade also included a traveller who had returned to Canada from Iran (BC_37_0-2), providing further evidence of its likely link to the Iranian epidemic.

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.15.992818v1.full

    So it seems that Covid would have appeared in Iran at almost the same time as in China, but with a noticeably different strain. What could explain such “coincidence” hitting two prime targets of the Anglo-Israeli NeoCons, if not for deliberate human action spreading up simultaneously two different clades of the virus?

    • Agree: d dan
    • Replies: @d dan
  154. @Levtraro

    China’s about to roll out mRNAs so I guess they’ll all be dead soon, too.

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202206/11/WS62a45929a310fd2b29e621d1.html

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  155. Anon[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @JackOH

    “I’d like to know if we have a nutter (or nutters) in our government. That’s all.”

    We do. You’re welcome.

  156. @eah

    assuming there have been ‘excess deaths’).

    There have been well over 1 million deaths in the U.S. in excess over what was expected since 2020.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/17/us-excess-deaths-pandemic-cdc

    So the question is, how did all these people die? The number is far too large to be accounted for by a sudden uptick in heart disease or drug overdoses or anything of that nature.

  157. Anon[319] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Real World

    Malthus was a British economist who preceded Adam Smith. Malthus’s theory is that population expands to the limit of the food supply. That limit is called the Malthusian Bound. The chief practical results of Malthus’s theory are public policy efforts to control this inescapable problem at either end, meaning either decreasing the population or increasing the food supply, or both. Conspiracy believers in depopulation agendas have historical warrant for their beliefs, e.g. not only the sometime official advocacy of eugenics or various means of birth control, but also the seasonal ritual of mass human sacrifice in the Aztec civilization. (Directed by leaders using made-up dogmas about a vampiric “sun god,” these rituals brought population in line with preceding or projected harvests.) On the other end, that of efforts to improve food supplies in quantity, quality, and availability, we have–to speak broadly–the Industrial Revolution. (For details on this point, you can read Julian Simon.) The bottom line of Malthus’s theory is that food supplies cannot ultimately outpace the population growth which they fuel–and so economic collapse, famines, and die-offs will continue to punctuate human history, regardless of what politico-economic system is prevailing or what technical advances are achieved. The only hope for mitigating the worst of such “resets” lies in continuing to attack the problem at both ends–that is, not only improving food stocks but also including at least some population control measures in public policy (ideally not overly harsh ones). There are people who think COVID and its effects were a population control measure, thus we see them using phrases like “thinning the human herd.”

  158. @Sean

    Ukraine war: Fact-checking Russia’s biological weapons claims 15 Mar 2022 — The BBC finds no evidence for Russian claims that Ukraine is developing biological weapons with US support.

    Anytime a news organization (or spokesperson) says “find no evidence” it means they haven`t looked for evidence.

  159. YLB says:
    @Vidi

    How do you know the perps didn’t intend things? All the aftermath points to a well planned event, foreshadowed by Event 201 in 2019 which included the Chinese CDC director, and heavily invested in pharma Gates et al, extreme unprecedented response vis-a-vis lock-down without real inquiry, massive censorship of all things counter single narrative, basically already prepared phony vaccines/death shots being promoted as savior cure from day one or was it day two, and on and on, not least of these is complete lack of empathy for destruction of business and social norms going back 100’s of years, and with nearly all positions of power on board, in rapid fire lock-step. And you think all this was due to an on-the-fly response as reaction to blow-back from a failed mission???

    All these years, over and over, far too many always carrying on about incompetence, let it happen and similar bumbling justifications, rationalizations or cover-up for either their own complicity or lack of courage to see things how they are, rather than how they’re hoped to be.

    It’s absurd people can’t get it through their thick heads that evil exists and evil has power and means and motive. And when eugenicist / great reset satanist say they’re going to do something, well, just look at all the adverse vaccine injury and deaths, ever increasing and increasing…

    Never mind, the rapid pace and plethora of new “health care” franchises opening up on every block in America. You think these businesses just happened to foresee all the sickness and death from these clot shots. No, rather these are smart businessmen who are in on whole scam and have ready solution to milk every cent of their unknowing gullible victims en route to their untimely deaths.

    • Replies: @Vidi
  160. geokat62 says:
    @Anon

    The bottom line of Malthus’s theory is that food supplies cannot ultimately outpace the population growth which they fuel–and so economic collapse, famines, and die-offs will continue to punctuate human history…

    Henceforth, the field of economics became known as the “dismal science.”

    • Replies: @Anon
  161. Ron Unz says:
    @Ronnie

    Another commentary on the PNAS article:

    Thanks, I hadn’t seen the article in The Intercept, which I’d highly recommend. It seems to be almost the only semi-MSM coverage of the crucial PNAS article.

    https://theintercept.com/2022/05/19/covid-lab-leak-evidence-jeffrey-sachs/

    I’d forgotten that Sachs had served as chairman of the Lancet’s Covid-19 Commission formed to investigate the origins of the epidemic, which had produced the public statement denouncing the “conspiracy theories” of a non-natural origin. So his apparent current reversal is far more significant than I’d realized.

  162. @Punch Brother Punch

    “when they gleefully and malevolently gloat over the vaxxeds’ impending deaths”

    I don’t hear anyone being “gleeful” about that but I DO HEAR folks saying “let them die” about those who have not taken the clot shot. OR “deny them hospital care” if they get sick.

    This is one again the “they accuse you of what they are doing” nonsense.

    • Replies: @Punch Brother Punch
  163. ARepli says:

    There will be nothing surprising at all if the story of Cobif-19 concludes with direct evidence of a lab leak. That’s the simplest explanation. As to where you draw the edges of the lab is less obvious: if SARs research led to commissioning of spelunking expeditions to caves a thousand miles away for the purpose of swabbing novel viruses from bat anuses, is that work part of the “lab”? If the same contractors swabbing bats also collect pangolins and bring them to markets and it just so happens SARS-Cov-2 hopped to humans along the way, is that part of the “lab”? If the disposal of test animal carcasses was mishandled and a worker took a microorganism to lunch… Etc and so on.

    The economic pressures to avoid and deny culpability of even minor errors is immense, there’s so much scientific livelihood at stake, we should expect nothing less than total rejection that an accident could result in a pandemic, especially when those researchers raison d’être is public welfare!

    As to risky research and disgusting ethical comprises, history is full of such facts.

    So after the great likelihood of error or misunderstanding creating Covid-19, there’s naturally the specter of malfeasance to boot.

    Chernobyl wasn’t just a civilian nuclear accident because there’s no clear way to separate military and civilian enterprise for such powerful technology.

    The U.S. can be funding biolabs in Ukraine for public health AND running bio-warfare programs and there’s no contradiction.

    Covid-19 can be a zoonotic event AND a political football for covert military operations against heads of state with no contradictions.

    Where Unz is misleading readers is by inventing stories to explain events by preference to intentions, while avoiding the sound prospects of other stories that are just as satisfactory as explanations. The job of the theorist is to provide a framework for understanding that radically clarifies a mystery. From such true hypotheses can be formed and experiments conducted to falsify the theory.

    This process can be faked by just making up convoluted ideas and running around in circles, science must content itself with eternal mysteries. Each for his own must reason to the encounter with mystery.

    Ron is promoting a thesis that reads like “My Theory That Covid is a Trump-era Biowarfare Mission Gone Wrong” and looking around the web for anything that embellishes his idea. As he accretes verbiage, he tally the words and argues that the weight of writing in sheer tonnage of prose has reached the carrying capacity of “overwhelming evidence”.

    Ron does not offer a theory of attack against foreign families of U.S. political enemies in terms of a history of covert biological conducted by rogue agents of a sitting U.S. president with a signature epidemiological trait rooted in the enterprise of the Army’s Fort Detrick programs, the connections to Wuhan, GoF research and the specifics of a genetic furon cleavage site that if found
    in organism samples taken from deceased Iranian leaders provides a smoking gun of U.S. culpability. Ron is pleased if your thinking goes that way, but he offers no system of thought to get you there, anymore so than Michael Crichton did to get you to think that Covid-19 is a space bug in Andromeda Strain.

    There’s truly nothing to see here as far as Covid is concerned.

    But there is something to see here about how communities who don’t know anything coalesce around preferred stories which exploit their ignorance, a topic of keen political relevance to Americans in this era.

    If Unz could step away from the topic at hand of preferred Covid conspiracies towards offering more soothsaying about how cultures of belief writhe and undulate within the body politic and across social media, a matter of which Ron has obvious significant experience, this portal could be a worthy endeavor.

    Make it about the medium, not the content.

    • Replies: @Sean
  164. Anon[319] • Disclaimer says:
    @geokat62

    A humorous and accurate reply (as I’m sure you know), thanks.

  165. Voltara says:
    @Vidi

    Thanks for your response, but as I mentioned in the post you have taken exception to it seemed there was a highly coordinated program rolling out in every western nation. All using the same strategy, the same messaging, the same lies in every country. All with the same result of tanking economies and wildly printing money. It seems a lot more than “blowback”.

  166. @Realist

    Well then, kindly tell me why you believe there is a “virus”.

    • Replies: @Realist
  167. @Anon

    VERY interesting, thank you. I’m always looking for more pertinent info about what is going on and that fills-in some important holes.

    Pure physics means that it does present a conundrum – the abundance of food creating a state of overpopulation which then threatens enough food supply. The pendulum swings…

    It’s very weird to say but, I suppose a “controlled demolition” of a percentage of the population is better than just eventually letting the wheels come off the bus i.e. mass starvation, panic, riots and wholesale destruction, etc..

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  168. Sean says:
    @ARepli

    There will be nothing surprising at all if the story of Cobif-19 concludes with direct evidence of a lab leak. That’s the simplest explanation. As to where you draw the edges of the lab is less obvious: if SARs research led to commissioning of spelunking expeditions to caves a thousand miles away for the purpose of swabbing novel viruses from bat anuses, is that work part of the “lab”? If the same contractors swabbing bats also collect pangolins and bring them to markets and it just so happens SARS-Cov-2 hopped to humans along the way, is that part of the “lab”? If the disposal of test animal carcasses was mishandled and a worker took a microorganism to lunch… Etc and so on.

    A natural virus of bats collected from the field infecting a Wuhan lab worker is a stretch to explain why the virus as soon as it was in a human was so instantly extremely transmissible between humans right out of the gate. There was a proposal to engineer a virus through manipulation in the laboratory, and Ralph Baric taught Wuhan researcher’ how to do it. The wet market was close to the origin and the Wuhan CDC lab was mere hundreds of yards from the market, and had moved there days before. Attribution of significance to these things is quite in order. The US collaborators of Wuhan need to reveal exactly what they were doing.

    Chernobyl wasn’t just a civilian nuclear accident because there’s no clear way to separate military and civilian enterprise for such powerful technology.

    The U.S. can be funding biolabs in Ukraine for public health AND running bio-warfare programs and there’s no contradiction.

    The accident in Chernobyl was caused by reckless Ukrainians. And it had a profound effect of Mikhail Gorbachev’s thinking after he ended the Cold War with the Soviet Union still standing tall.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  169. d dan says:
    @Iris

    “So it seems that Covid would have appeared in Iran at almost the same time as in China, but with a noticeably different strain. What could explain such “coincidence” hitting two prime targets of the Anglo-Israeli NeoCons,…”

    Agree, it is a damn evidence. Several not-so-informed commenters attribute the early occurrence of Covid-19 in Iran to the “close tie” between China and Iran. This is hardly an explanation because China-Iran trade is small compare with China’s overall trade volume, or compare with most of China’s trade partners. IIRC, Iran probably ranks about 45th place in terms of country. And politically, China-Iran didn’t have many interactions too. Furthermore, Iranian political leaders were much more unlikely to visit Wuhan than to visit Beijing, which happened to have very low infection rate similar to most of the cities inside and outside China. Also, if Iranian politicians would to get the virus through contact with Chinese leaders, why was there a lack of similar Covid-19 outbreak among Chinese political class? Unless people just want to believe that Iranian leaders had particular fondness to roam the seafood markets and night streets in Wuhan, particularly in November-December 2019.

    US has a long history of research in bioweapons, and is the only country in the world that has used all forms of WMD (nuclear, biological, chemical weapons), multiple times. It is like a serial killer, and nobody should underestimate its willing to use those weapons. So, when two of its most hated enemy, out of the 200 countries in the world, were hit in the same night, what should a neutral people conclude?

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
    • Thanks: Iris
    • Replies: @Iris
  170. Realist says:
    @Ralph B. Seymour

    Well then, kindly tell me why you believe there is a “virus”.

    Because I had it,

  171. @Realist

    OK, you were sick. What makes you believe a virus made you sick?

    • Replies: @Realist
  172. Wild Man says:
    @Commentator Mike

    If one believes it is likely that sars-cov-2 is a bioweapon engineered in a lab, somewhere on earth (as Mr. Unz maintains), and one recognizes that it was the spike protein that was so-engineered, and one also recognizes that it is by way of certain properties of the spike protein itself, that make sars-cov-2 pathogenic, does it not follow that the experimental western vaxxes (actually gene therapies) that force the metabolic expression of said spike protein, to present to immune system as antigen, ….. would also have to be deemed a likely bioweapon, risking same-said pathogenesis? Isn’t such conclusion just common sense?

    I have peppered Mr. Unz with this line of logic, since way back in the late spring of 2021. He won’t answer any such queries.

    • Replies: @Marcion
  173. Johan says:
    @Realist

    If you had ‘it’, the virus, you ought to have delivered it to the lab at once, there is even a substantial reward on it, if someone can deliver it. You’d become world famous, the first one ever delivering absolute proof, not mediated by any advanced monkey science and whatever tricks of make belief. You’d be rich and famous at once, even the industry would crave it, as it would deliver them from a vast propaganda industry, which costs them money too, eating at their profits.

    • Troll: Realist
  174. rplende says:

    Rand Paul has already exposed Fauci on this issue. There is no uncertainty that certain U.S. entities, including government personnel had a hand in its creation.

  175. @interesting

    I don’t hear anyone being “gleeful” about that but I DO HEAR folks saying “let them die” about those who have not taken the clot shot. OR “deny them hospital care” if they get sick.

    I was referring to the behavior of anti-vaxxers on this site which, from my experience, has featured a good deal of malevolent glee.

    You seem to be referring to the behavior of leftist-types on places like Twitter, where I dare not go anymore. Too infuriating.

    • Replies: @interesting
  176. Marcion says:
    @Wild Man

    Wildman…yes, you’ve been right all along. ‘Facts’ sound best when they line up with other facts.

    Mr. Unz seems to be mainly focused on convincing the masses in the mainstream Covid social movement who were in violent solidarity in lockdown. masking and solution – blocking. He is after all one of them.

    The mainstream covid cheerleaders, ie. most people, will never pay attention — they are successfully ‘building back better’ thanks to their social mandate cohesion, much more than they’d ever imagined.

    Anyway, the mainstream stays within its perimeters; topics like bioweapons or black crime are dead on arrival.

  177. YLB says:

    We require a simplistic approach to resolve our conundrum. To break down the overall situation into digestible components, moving from simple to more complex, evaluating each on their merit, then expanding from there. Building one truth upon the next, step by step.

    Here’s a basic example, yet of course a statistician or similar must develop a proper decision tree based on true scientific method. Once this is done, then the whole thesis can be submitted for peer review, while in parallel being presented to the world courts.

    Step 1. Is there proof that SARS-CoV-2 exists? Yes or no? If no, then no GoF, no lab leak, etc., then proceed to criminal trial for all who orchestrated worldwide fear psyop / phony vaccine campaign costing health, lives and \$\$\$. If yes, then next step. If inconclusive, then next step.

    Step 2. Was SARS-CoV-2 intentionally made/weaponized (via Gain of Function or whatever)? If yes, then proceed to criminal trial. And proceed to next step. If no, then is it because A, we are awaiting additional info or is it because B1, it’s impossible to prove or B2, it’s impossible to disprove? If A, then what can be done to procure this essential info.? If B1, then no further discussion on these grounds. If B2, that it’s impossible to disprove, then proceed to step 3 and step 4.

    Step 3. Can a lab leak be proven and or can it be proven that SARS-CoV-2 was intentionally seeded/released in any given country, such as China or Iran or USA or where ever? If yes, then proceed to step 4. If no, then is it because A, we are awaiting additional info or is it because B1, it’s impossible to prove? If A, then what can be done to procure this essential info.? If B1, that it’s impossible to prove, then no further discussion on these grounds. If B2, that it’s impossible to disprove, then proceed to step 4.

    Step 4. If yes a lab leak and or intentional release can be proven, and Step 1 and 2 affirmative criteria are met, then based on the ongoing results, looking at any location, whether China or Iran or US or Europe or Australia or where ever, it’s obvious there’s criminal intent, thus proceed to criminal trial.

    If B2, a lab leak or intentional release is impossible to disprove, perhaps we can only look at and base on the ongoing results, such as complaints from Iran, complaints from China, the huge amount of irregular activity and highly coordinated worldwide imposition of extreme measures resulting in economic and social destruction, of which there are plenty, and so on.

    Which is primarily where we’re at today, with majority of views and input based on what we have observed and how we’ve been affected. Yet with meat of the case still seemingly requiring data, requiring Building 7. Thus, with enough incriminating data, and importance of collaborating hard evidence from Steps 1, 2 and 3, Steps 2 and 3 especially, we could proceed to criminal trial.

    Step 5. Create worldwide plan for helping all who have suffered from this evil, such as end “vaccine” programs and provide remedies and curative treatment for those who are “vaxxed” and or suffering from “vaccine” side effects. Also, reimburse losses incurred by SME business owners, etc.

    Additional thought: It would be very helpful to present this data in a couple few forms. One may be a very light version where reader/judge/jury can easily surmise the facts and producers/researchers can easily update; while another intermediate form for more in depth study and yet another inclusive of every fine supporting detail.

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  178. Vidi says:
    @YLB

    If the COVID-19 perpetrators had an evil scheme to hurt the US, why did they do it indirectly by hitting China and Iran first? Wouldn’t directly infecting the US first have a better chance of working? Before you concoct elaborate conspiracy theories, please consider the probabilities.

    My assessment is that something like Ron’s conclusion is the most likely to be correct.

    • Replies: @YLB
  179. SafeNow says:

    “let them die”

    I will add the word “alone.”

  180. @Punch Brother Punch

    You may have a point. I was referring to the MSM and twitter mob

  181. YLB says:
    @Vidi

    See comment #25. There is time-line which shows both cases and death for CoViD in USA BEFORE China. Further, I made a quick search for when was first CoViD case in Iran and result show Feb 19, 2020. https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/483599-first-coronavirus-cases-reported-in-iran/
    This is also AFTER the first “official” case in USA, which is apparently Jan 20, 2020.

    So, lets suppose this time-line for US and China is wrong, and truth be known, the actual very first case was in Wuhan or somewhere in China, doesn’t it make sense that it must begin somewhere? Of course, and since, would you let it be known that it was in your own house in Chapel Hill thus making obvious trail or in another house, in particular that of location of bio-lab in question. Thus, makes for more easy to blame on absentminded professor who can’t tie his shoes.

    And, why also Italy with first “official” case just one or two days after Iran, yet developing measels-like rash since early Dec 2019; why not put forth thesis claiming US rogue was out to destroy its arch enemy Italy, as well? 🙂

    Anyway, some weeks or a couple months difference here and there, especially taking into account the rapid worldwide nearly ubiquitous progression, doesn’t really hold too much water for your claim; you’ve got to come up with something more substantial than the usual cry of bumbling incompetence.

    Especially since EVERY level of the rogue state desperately wants the masses to believe it’s all due to bumbling incompetence, same as 19 guys with box-cutter knives directed by a guy in a cave on dialysis beating a trillion \$\$\$ defense.

    Finally, this is all smoke and mirrors until we can prove something nefarious happened, and thus far, just saying people complained and it was here or there first, doesn’t smoke the gun. No, we all must find substantial evidence for whether or not it (SARS-CoV-2) exists first, then if it was weaponized, and then if it was released on purpose.

    Of course the CoViD protocol f0rced on the public by powers that shouldn’t be that think they are but really aren’t was/is criminal in itself, especially the ongoing economic and societal destruction and the phony vax death clot shots, and all this already easily makes for case at Nuremberg 2.0; the nuts and bolts of how it started will only add fuel to the fire.

    Getting this added fuel requires more evidence and if Mr Unz has crucial evidence that he’s holding back, then it seems pretty silly to force people to buy his books just to find out.

    This said, I prefer to give him benefit of the doubt and hope with all my heart that he can present his data in a concise manner so the argument becomes more easily apparent. Otherwise, if there’s gaps, then focus energy on filling those. I suppose that’s one main reason for this open discussion. At the very least, a synthesis of the gaps/missing pieces should be our take-away

    • Replies: @Vidi
  182. Levtraro says:
    @Punch Brother Punch

    Thanks for the link. But you exaggerate. The linked article didn’t say they are about to roll them out, quite the contrary, it says that these vaccines have just passed Phase 1 trials.

    • Replies: @Punch Brother Punch
  183. First they came for asymptomatics people.
    I did not say anything because I am not an asymptomatic.

    Then they came for unvaccinated people.
    I did not say anything either although I am an unvaccinated.

    Later they came for antivaxers.
    I kept calm because I am not an antivaxer.

    Now they come for me.
    I keep calm because I am no longer me.

  184. @Sean

    I doubt that Ralph Baric ‘taught’ the Chinese, but he and his crew did not pursue any such research at Chapel Hill or AMRIID at Fort Detrick, where we know he worked, and others places more covert.

    • Replies: @Sean
  185. @Sean

    “… they are going to get severe disease and death. Particularly Bangladesh. Very very prone to that…” [Since they have this cluster of Neanderthal DNA]

    Bangladesh, which per Worldometer has had 174 Covid 19 deaths per million people? That is a seriously low rate compared to many other nations, and that is where the epidemic fire should have taken off if these people are so vulnerable. Thus it is a pretty strange “correlation” especially when even “non-vulnerable” Japan has had 246 deaths/mil.

    Sorry on the face of it, it appears the most vulnerable ethnic populations have been those of European ancestry, not Bangladeshis, certainly not Africans. Something about the ACE 2 receptor. Indeed, if Covid 19 was an intentional GMO bioweapon mean to target an ethic group, Whites are the ones most likely under attack. That should be part of the investigation.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7360473/

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    • Agree: YLB
  186. @Iris

    Your reasoning is very far from a refutation given that you are conceding hundreds of peer reviewed papers but trying to cast doubt on the reality that there are many mentally disturbed and morally deficient scientists as well as the more usual good ones and that one sees no lack of scientific cranks positively trying to died something shocking to say if only to build their social media personae.

  187. @Realist

    I’m prepared to change my mind about anything—– if I get new information.

    So, if I am in fact making a fool of myself, please educate me

    Thank you for your patience.

    • Replies: @Realist
  188. Realist says:
    @Ralph B. Seymour

    OK, you were sick. What makes you believe a virus made you sick?

    Because the virus was found in samples taken. It is not correct that Covid has not been isolated. It has been isolated many times.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/grows-virus-cell-culture.html

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7045880/

    https://fullfact.org/health/CDC-document-viral-isolates/

    • Replies: @Ralph B. Seymour
  189. Sean says:

    There are multiple things that affect the likelihood of death from Covid. They include APOE*4, which is synergic with obesity for all sorts of illnesses. Boxers compete in weight categories though, and those with the APOE*4 variant need only have several fights before going ‘punchy ‘.

    A sixth of Europeans have the Neanderthal variant, two thirds of South Asians do. It has an effect of innate immunity and ACE2 . Doubles the risk of death in over sixty years’ old . In the UK South Asians were significantly more likely to die of Covid than whites(but less likely than blacks who have a third of the Neanderthal ancestry of Europeans. South Asians in western countries tend to be fat.

    • Replies: @thotmonger
  190. Realist says:
    @Ralph B. Seymour

    I’m prepared to change my mind about anything—– if I get new information.

    I am inclined to not believe that at all. You don’t need new information…you need to see information that has been around for at least two years. It is available on the internet. You have swallowed the bullshit presented by the no nothings on this blog.

  191. Sean says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02903-x
    In 2015, virologists led by Ralph Baric at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill reported the creation of their own chimaera. They took a version of the coronavirus responsible for the deadly outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in the early 2000s — now known as SARS-CoV — and adorned it with surface proteins from a different coronavirus taken from Chinese horseshoe bats. In the laboratory, this particular mash-up was able to break into human cells and also make mice ill1 […] But the 2015 study did raise broad interest for another reason: some wondered whether such an experiment should ever have been attempted. The work was considered by some an example of ‘gain-of-function’ virology, in which scientists bestow new abilities on pathogens to study them.

    Coronavirus conspiracy claim called ‘impossible’, ‘absurd’
    By Zhang Zhihao | China Daily | Updated: 2020-04-20 Scientists around the world rushed to debunk another wave of conspiracy theory recently hyped by some United States media and a French Nobel laureate claiming the novel coronavirus was artificially created.

    Yuan Zhiming, a senior virologist and the president of the Chinese Academy of Sciences Wuhan Branch, said “it is impossible” to synthesize the novel coronavirus for it would require “extraordinary knowledge and work” that surpasses current technological capabilities.

    https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2202769119
    [W]ork on SARS-like CoVs performed in Wuhan was part of an active and highly collaborative US–China scientific research program funded by the US Government (NIH, Defense Threat Reduction Agency [DTRA], and US Agency for International Development [USAID]), coordinated by researchers at EcoHealth Alliance (EHA), but involving researchers at several other US institutions. For this reason, it is important that US institutions be transparent about any knowledge of the detailed activities that were underway in Wuhan and in the United States. The evidence may also suggest that research institutions in other countries were involved, and those too should be asked to submit relevant information (e.g., with respect to unpublished sequences).
    Participating US institutions include the EHA, the University of North Carolina (UNC) ] [this is Baric}, the University of California at Davis (UCD), the NIH, and the USAID. Under a series of NIH grants and USAID contracts, EHA coordinated the collection of SARS-like bat CoVs from the field in southwest China and southeast Asia, the sequencing of these viruses, the archiving of these sequences (involving UCD), and the analysis and manipulation of these viruses (notably at UNC). A broad spectrum of coronavirus research work was done not only in Wuhan (including groups at Wuhan University and the Wuhan CDC, as well as WIV) but also in the United States. The exact details of the fieldwork and laboratory work of the EHA-WIV-UNC partnership, and the engagement of other institutions in the United States and China, has not been disclosed for independent analysis. The precise nature of the experiments that were conducted, including the full array of viruses collected from the field and the subsequent sequencing and manipulation of those viruses, remains unknown. EHA, UNC, NIH, USAID, and other research partners have failed to disclose their activities to the US scientific community and the US public, instead declaring that they were not involved in any experiments that could have resulted in the emergence of SARS-CoV-2.

    Baric and his defenders think he ought to be able to do anything he wants to do without oversight concomitant to the deleterious potential as assessed by those other than Baric and his cabal of international researchers. Subsequent analysis–what is the problem, ey? If you have any illusions about his judgement look at a photo: the man is obese.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  192. I’ve made my case. I invite you to make yours.

    Stating that I need to see information that has been around for two years doesn’t accomplish that.

    I”m waiting.

  193. @Realist

    Let me get this straight.

    In an attempt to prove that the “virus” exists, you cite the CDC website?

    • Replies: @Realist
  194. Realist says:

    Let me get this straight.

    In an attempt to prove that the “virus” exists, you cite the CDC website?

    Let me get this straight.

    So you think all the scientists at the CDC are lying? Who are your go-to experts?

    There are two other URLs cited.

  195. Iris says:
    @d dan

    Completely agree. Your thinking brings thoughts about another extremely unlikely occurrence that materialised anyway.

    There are only 57 Bio-Safety Level 4 (BSL-4) laboratories in the entire world: 25 in Europe, 14 in North America, 13 in Asia, 4 in Australia hosts four and 3 in Africa.

    Out of these 13 Asian labs, China only has 2, one in Wuhan, one in Beijing.


    https://www.globalbiolabs.org/map

    So, in a country as vast as China, very rural, with a very rich and varied animal life, what was the likelihood that a novel virus would appear precisely in one of the only two cities hosting a BSL-4 laboratories?

    Even more so, in a vast planet which comprises only 57 BSL-4 labs able to handle viruses, what was the likelihood for Sars-CoV 2 appearing precisely near such a laboratory?

    It is quite an obvious conclusion: the concomitant and simultaneous existence of a rare BSL-4 lab alongside the sudden appearance of a dangerous new virus can hardly be a coincidence: such unlikely geographical concomitance is in itself a striking evidence that the virus was engineered.

    The Sinophobes will of course, like Pavlov dogs, immediately scream of “lab leak”.

    More objective people will consider the fact that SARS-CoV-2 was not a medical prototype, for its genome was so different from any disease-bearing virus we know of, but designed as a bio-weapon from the onset.
    Since it took China 10 years to build the WIV, she would have had plenty of time, if she wanted to, to also build secret military labs away from one of its most important economic and academic metropolis.

    This extremely low likelihood is unbelievable, and such a “coincidence” cannot be possible. It proves that SARS-CoV-2 was indeed engineered. By the Neo-Cons who conveniently planted it in Wuhan so the dumb plebe conveniently screams of “lab leak”. Most certainly, the Covid virus was engineered.

  196. Ron may be right, but in a different way than he realizes.

    Yes, Covid was lab created. Perhaps, it was a USA deep state bio war weapon which ‘blew back’.

    But it’s not responsible for killing millions in the USA.

    And the head of the Chinese CDC, a co author or the first Covid scientific paper, and two months previous a very active participant of Event 201, proves that the Chinese knew what was going on.

    So, the bio weapon in fact was aimed FROM THE BEGINNING at the USA, with plausible deniability made solid by routing it through China and Europe. The globalist transhumanists, who used it as a pretext for, getting rid of Trump, lockdowns, wealth transfer, vaxx mandates, and the move to a digital currency, were aware that Covid was weak, a treatable type of flu, so they prevented early treatment to kill people and bring in the Vaxx.

    China was a beautiful ‘cover story’ for the USA Deep State to hide its tracks, because the tracks prove Covid is a neo con deep state globalist attack on the USA, especially the populist movement in the USA which elected Trump.

    • Agree: YLB
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  197. anon[284] • Disclaimer says:

    Give it up RonUNZ. It’s nothing more than another flu. A million deaths out of 330million average age 81 means nothing nothing nothing.

    If the American military went to Wuhan and sprinkled covid virus around town, the PRC could just have easily sprinkled covid virus around the hotels and stadiums of the Military games. So as to spread covid hoax virus around the world.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  198. @WingsofADove

    The USA suffered most because its ‘society’ is moribund, with no healthcare for the poor, garbage diet, poor health, mass obesity, and lots of dark-skinned people living at higher latitudes than is safe for them without preventative measures to increase Vitamin D levels.

  199. @Iris

    They are the BSL-4 labs we know of. A proper assessment of US bio-warfare activities has been thwarted by the USA through blocking, exclusively, the Bio-Weapons Treaty inspections regime, since 2002. EXCLUSIVELY from 180 signatories. Even the worst stooges like Austfailia have not joined in.

    • Replies: @Iris
  200. @Sean

    Indeed, Sean. The Chinese no doubt joined in US-controlled research efforts in order to keep an eye on US machinations, as best they could. As the victims of unending US subversion, sabotage, slander and bio-warfare attacks since 1949, they know what they are dealing with. The ‘Defence Threat Reduction Agency’ is a perfect Orwellian usage, is it not.

  201. geokat62 says:

    FDA Advisors Unanimously Endorse Pfizer, Moderna COVID Shots for Infants and Young Kids, Ignore Pleas to ‘First Do No Harm’

    “All the risks are to the innocent children and all of the billion-dollar rewards go to the government-protected pharmaceuticals,” said Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), after advisors to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration today voted 21-0 to recommend Pfizer’s and Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccines for infants and young children.

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/fda-eua-covid-shots-infants-young-kids/

  202. Sparkon says:
    @anon

    If the American military went to Wuhan and sprinkled covid virus around town, the PRC could just have easily sprinkled covid virus around the hotels

    Well I suppose it could be done, but it’s that sprinkling part that has always been something of a stumbling block for me with Ron’s theory, as in, how exactly would you do that sprinkling surreptitiously and avoid infecting yourself?

    Would something small and concealable like an inhaler, cigarette lighter or perfume bottle be able to maintain viral viability during an intercontinental plane flight, or would you need something larger to keep the viral culture viable?

    How would viable viral samples/virions of the coronavirus be maintained for the trip to Wuhan? How would you get them into China without being detected?

    对不起,先生,你手提箱里的那个装置是什么?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  203. Vidi says:
    @YLB

    See comment #25. There is time-line which shows both cases and death for CoViD in USA BEFORE China. Further, I made a quick search for when was first CoViD case in Iran and result show Feb 19, 2020. https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/483599-first-coronavirus-cases-reported-in-iran/
    This is also AFTER the first “official” case in USA, which is apparently Jan 20, 2020.

    You are not off the hook.

    Something like SARS-CoV-2 (perhaps a direct ancestor) may have arisen naturally in the US and around the world, and many Americans may have developed antibodies to that ancestral virus. Thus the seropositive antibodies found by Basavaraju et al may actually have been for the ancestral virus, not for the real SARS-CoV-2.

    Then someone, perhaps at Forth Detrick, may have applied some “gain of function” improvements to the ancestral virus and released the resulting monster in Wuhan. The rest is history.

    If there was a conspiracy to hurt the US, as you claim, then why were China and Iran the worst victims in early 2020? If the goal was to inflict a megadeath on the US, wouldn’t it have been easier to make American hospitals overflow first? Of course it would. Your conspiracy theory fails.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @YLB
  204. @YLB

    Non-organic events are far more predictable than organic ones.

    And it seems to me that the the lab leak theorists have a non-organic mindset rather than an organic mindset.

    Covid 19 was a black swan event. Improbable but bound to happen naturally sometime. Virologists knew it was coming. So anything they did to try and understand ahead of time what it might be like is bound to be considered as “gain of function” by those who think it was not likely to happen naturally.

    Building 7 is not an analogue because it is a non-organic event.

    • Replies: @YLB
  205. @Iris

    What about the three viruses they found in Laos last fall that are extremely close to Covid 19 and far closer than the closest known similar virus in the Wuhan lab? See my post above. Did the Wuhan labs make those?

  206. Iris says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    They are the BSL-4 labs we know of.

    Oh no, one can never insist enough on this. It takes a lot of means, expertise and expensive niche engineering to build a proper BSL-4 laboratory, which would also require to be independently audited and validated, to confirm that it is compliant with lab standards.

    If other proper BSL-4 had been built, their existence would be known.

    What the US is doing in its cheap, makeshift secret labs around the world is to carry out with highly dangerous bio-weapons experiments in unsuitable facilities without the safety and the protection provided by a BSL-4.

    So my remark remains valid: what was the likelihood of a novel virus randomly appearing just next to one of 57 rare occurrences of maximum safety laboratories around the world?
    The answer is clearly zero.; SARS-CoV-2 came from a (US) lab and was released next to a (Chinese) lab to make it look “natural”.

    • Replies: @Sean
  207. Ron Unz says:
    @Sparkon

    Well I suppose it could be done, but it’s that sprinkling part that has always been something of a stumbling block for me with Ron’s theory, as in, how exactly would you do that sprinkling surreptitiously and avoid infecting yourself?

    Would something small and concealable like an inhaler, cigarette lighter or perfume bottle be able to maintain viral viability during an intercontinental plane flight, or would you need something larger to keep the viral culture viable?

    This sort of argument has been raised before and here’s my response from a few months ago:

    I’m hardly a biowarfare expert, but I very much doubt that. America has spent \$100 billion over the years developing bioweapons, and I’m sure at least a little of that money was allocated to producing lots of surreptitious release-devices, perhaps along the lines of the ones in James Bond films.

    Perhaps the entire viral load was just contained in a couple of simple spray-devices, such as an asthma inhalers, and just casually sprayed onto various surfaces or confined locations by the operatives while they were sightseeing around Wuhan along with the thousands of other foreign military visitors. The food stalls of that Seafood Market that was one of the early epicenters of the outbreak might have been among the targets. Or maybe the devices could be left somewhere with a timed-release mechanism.

    Remember, we’re not talking about some deadly nerve gas, just an undetectable virus whose release wouldn’t be noticed by anyone for six or seven weeks, until large numbers of individuals began to feel a little sick. And the operatives were young and healthy, so they themselves would have had a 0% chance of dying even if they were careless enough to accidentally infect themselves, though I’d assume they washed their hands pretty thoroughly and might even have been isolated once they got back to the US. Keep in mind, Covid isn’t an anti-personnel bioweapon, it’s an anti-economy bioweapon

    When you spend seventy years and \$100 billion creating the world’s largest biowarfare program, I assume you’ve developed all sorts of training exercises and standard protocols for this sort of situation.

    If you haven’t already done so, you really should read the discussion we published in early 2020 by a retired 40-year veteran of American biodefense:

    https://www.unz.com/article/was-coronavirus-a-biowarfare-attack-against-china/

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/podcast-interview-geopolitics-empire/#comment-5164130

    How would viable viral samples/virions of the coronavirus be maintained for the trip to Wuhan? How would you get them into China without being detected?

    A tiny container would probably do fine, and that’s why the World Military Games were the perfect opportunity. With many thousands of military servicemen—including 300 Americans—traveling to Wuhan and wandering around the city, it would have been impossible for the Chinese government to effectively monitor their activity.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  208. Ron Unz says:
    @Vidi

    Something like SARS-CoV-2 (perhaps a direct ancestor) may have arisen naturally in the US and around the world, and many Americans may have developed antibodies to that ancestral virus. Thus the seropositive antibodies found by Basavaraju et al may actually have been for the ancestral virus, not for the real SARS-CoV-2.

    Those claims that antibodies to the Covid virus were detected in America or Europe prior to the Wuhan outbreak are almost certainly incorrect, based upon false positives or other testing errors. I discussed the issue at length in one of my articles:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/#false-narratives-based-upon-false-positives

    • Thanks: Vidi
  209. @Anon

    Not a good boost to credibility to start with getting Adam Smith’s and Thomas Malthus’s relative dates wrong. To be charitable maybe you were turning on half a well read old geezers brain and remembering that Malthus was before Darwin….

  210. @Ron Unz

    it would have been impossible for the Chinese government to effectively monitor their activity

    You prompt a question about what the Chinese government bothers to monitor. “Common prosperity” sounds nice but I wonder if Xi, any more than Mao, would be upset by the deaths of millions of old unproductive people. True, it could be argued that the total elimination of the virus being apparently aimed at until,at least, Xi wins his extended term, has genuine compassionate purposes but why think that any more than for a policy adopted by Trump?

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  211. YLB says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    There’s no such thing as a non-organic event

    How ’bout locking down and creating SADS, as just a couple examples from quite long list, was that ‘bound to happen’ as well?

    Nice try McFly; it’s common sense already this wasn’t naturally occurring, especially not with existence of 57+ bio labs, billions in funding and proven nut cases at the helm, but rather well planned. The usual Hegelian Dialectic X 1000 (or 8 billion rather) = WEF/Davos Great Reject

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  212. My suggestion of a central American role in the creation of this global epidemic has been excluded not only from the mainstream media but from virtually all of the alternative media as well, presumably because the possibility is simply too horrific to contemplate.

    Mr. Unz deserves due credit for his two years of analysis on this subject – and he’s emphatically correct in the underlying premise and conclusions of his thesis. Yes, core American involvement is undeniable.

    [MORE]

    BUT it’s just part of the picture – one piece of a larger, far more diabolical enterprise than just a geopolitically motivated attempt by American neocon psycopaths to undermine what they see as their main adversary, China.

    FWIW, the alternative media that I frequent have had no problem recognising the American role in the orchestrated Corona Chan “pandemic” – but they’ve also pursued the larger picture which goes well beyond just the intentional release of the engineered Corona Chan bug (or whatever passes for that alleged bug).

    The Corona Chan bug was the gateway to the real bioweapon, the fake “vaccines”.

    Insurance companies have verified what eminent medical experts have been warning for most of the past two years – the fake “vaccines” are designed to cause a die-off, a depopulation which Bill and Melinda smirk and giggle about with glee, live on camera. A 22% increase in all-cause mortality since the fake “vaccines” were rolled out in Australia, and 40% increase in the USA.

    And that’s just so far. Remember those Daegel forecasts?

    Anyone noticed the new mainstream media hysteria being pumped right alongside the bourgening “deadly monkeypox pandemic” – that they’re calling “Sudden Adult Death Syndrome” or “SADS”? The media and government and medical professions all claim that “SADS” is a mystery, we just don’t know what’s causing it.

    Yeah we do – we really do know what’s behind “SADS”. We do actually know why so many otherwise healthy young adults now seem to be dropping dead…

    https://www.brighteon.com/2cc9879d-4ffa-4473-a01a-0e42fff370ba

    All roads and tendrils lead back to the genocidal psycopaths in the World Economic Forum – who have their agents deeply entrenched in just about every Western government all around the world.

    AND let’s be clear – Corona Chan was just the opening salvo in the orchestrated civilisational collapse and depopulation needed to enable the Great Reset and New World Order, where we will all own nothing and be happy. Look around, and count the compounding crises – what are the chances?

    • Agree: YLB, IreneAthena
    • Replies: @IreneAthena
  213. YLB says:
    @Vidi

    Are you including the fake dead Chinese people in your analysis? 🙂
    Here’s some simple math. As of Aug 2020, China had CoViD mortality rate of approx. 0.0003%, Iran had 0.02% and USA had 0.04%. Of course all this may be mumbo jumbo, as is (almost) everything from MSM regarding Le Plandemic

    Something like, perhaps, may have, around, may have, may actually have been, (real) (then) someone, perhaps, may have, some, (monster) (rest is history)

    (conspiracy) (worst victims) (megadeath) (conspiracy theory)

    If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. (Or maybe she would be a reverse tranny? :))
    Hand waving and calling someone a conspiracy theorist are expired mode of subterfuge.

    Anyway, we ain’t fishin’ together. You wanna lead make-believe life or run cover for Dr Jekyll, that’s up to you, sad, but everyone does their thing, only someday you’ll maybe be asked why. Or maybe not, who knows, except our Creator.

    On a final note, and since we’re talkin’ fishin’, I hope you’ll find someone else to help you reel in your whopper. In meantime, I’ll be here in main street USA weaving this way and that amidst the Great Reject de-construction crews.

    Peace out.

    • Replies: @Vidi
  214. Anonymous[183] • Disclaimer says:

    Then there is PNAC’s wish list: “advanced forms of biological warfare that can ‘target’ specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.”

    Plus Israel has a track record of working on individual poisons. How about induced arrhythmias and medicalized assassinations — anything on record?

    Actions of the Death Cult State: killing Palestinians like insects, murdering Patton, Andreas Noack vaccine researcher (https://www.bitchute.com/video/GE44hQoZmdNd/), alleged atomizer attack (https://pathwhisperer.info/2022/05/25/fruit-of-3-thousand-years-of-talmudist-evil-handheld-atomizer-and-the-vaxx/).

  215. @Sean

    In the UK South Asians were significantly more likely to die of Covid than whites…

    Very well. In Britain. But why did Covid 19 not rip through South Asia as would be expected? If they are so vulnerable why did that powder keg never blow? I do not buy it. If it was a GMO, non-Jewish Whites were the target, or certainly the main victim.

    But let’s get back to the vaccine mandate madness, i.e. the destruction of informed consent. OR is the assault on the sanctity of the individual of no interest to any of you?

  216. geokat62 says:

    Telegram comment posted by Arkmedic’s feed:

    If you have not listened to this yet please stop what you are doing for 3 minutes. You will not regret it. Then post it in response to every FDA post on any social media platform repeatedly forever. This was Sam Dobson of To the Lifeboats monologue to the FDA today. Brilliant stuff!
    👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇
    https://rumble.com/v18l13s-my-feedback-to-the-fdas-attempts-to-inject-5-and-under-for-covid-19.html

  217. Caz says:

    Dr. Richard Fleming has shown data that demonstrates that the Sars-CoV-2 virus does not, I repeat DOES NOT, attach to bats. That’s it! There is no relation to the wet market theory. This is a bio-engineered-weapon. I don’t mind what your thoughts may be on whether it was for scientific purposes or not, the only thing we should be addressing is why there are humans, not being, just humans that are being financed, supported, encouraged and not being made responsible for the development of weapons of mass destruction by other humans, not being? I don’t care in what country! This is the same thing that the Nazis did and we took them to the Nuremberg trials but our hypocrisy is much larger, because many other countries, supposedly progressive and first rate countries included, were doing this too in the 1940’s and continue. Finding a smoking gun is fun and makes it easy to point a finger but it resolves nothing! Absolutely nothing! We need to address why we want to kill ourselves. Why we have over 10k nuclear weapons on the planet and still we look for ways to increase infection -gain of function- with deadly viruses. This is what needs to be discussed openly at the so called “UNITED” NATIONS.

  218. @YLB

    You obviously did not pass high school biology or chemistry, much less a graduate level course in biochemistry of virology.

    Everyone on the internet now thinks they are experts. Proof of the dumbing down of America.

  219. @Realist

    I meant that will become the official US Government Talking Point, replacing the previous Talking Point strenuously denying a Virology Lab was in any way involved.

    • Replies: @Realist
  220. Realist says:
    @American Citizen

    I meant that will become the official US Government Talking Point, replacing the previous Talking Point strenuously denying a Virology Lab was in any way involved.

    Got it…thanks.

  221. @Iris

    Iris, the fact that corvo nero gets his information from USA Today is evidence that you are not addressing a mental peer. However, your posts are always most informative to the non stunted.

    • Replies: @Iris
  222. Iris says:
    @A B Coreopsis

    Many thanks for the tip about USA Today from , and for your kind words too.

    I am very grateful and honoured to exchange views with real people from America and other parts of the world I don’t belong to, here on the Unz Review forum. It is a great intellectual privilege, and I learnt so much from so many people. The idiots and the Hasbara can never spoil that. All the best to you.

  223. I searched for news on Wuhan City a while back and didn’t find anyhing about recent lockups in Wuhan a la Shanghai etc..In fact I remember seeing young people partying at bars in Wuhan City on youtube videos not ,long after their outbreak as if nothing had ever happened while Australia, UK,Canada,EU,California etc were enforcing their lockdowns that only much later China would try and out do for whatever reason.To tell the truth I could care less if it was the U.S. or China or Israel that created covid or if it was just the flu by any other name.In the end just being shot or stabbed to death could get you on the list of covid deaths and turning yourself into a hospital because you had a cold could lead to death by respitator and drugs that caused you to stop breathing.

    As the video below explains no real increase in deaths from overall causes occured UNTIL the so.called vaccines were rolled out.

    WOW – Government Mortality Data Just Released – Unbelievable Stuff!

  224. Vidi says:
    @YLB

    Are you including the fake dead Chinese people in your analysis? 🙂

    The loser of an argument will often throw out red herrings. You are no exception.

  225. Sean says:
    @Iris

    What the US is doing in its cheap, makeshift secret labs around the world is to carry out with highly dangerous bio-weapons experiments in unsuitable facilities without the safety and the protection provided by a BSL-4.

    https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/06/29/1027290/gain-of-function-risky-bat-virus-engineering-links-america-to-wuhan/
    Baric asked Shi if he could have the genetic data for SHC014. “… His team introduced the virus modified with that code into mice and into a petri dish of human airway cells. Sure enough, the chimera exhibited “robust replication” in the human cells…. While Baric’s study was in progress, the National Institutes of Health announced that it would temporarily halt funding for “gain of function” research—experiments that make already dangerous viruses more virulent or transmissible—on SARS, MERS (which is also caused by a coronavirus), and influenza until the safety of such research could be assessed. The announcement brought Baric’s work to a standstill. […] In the paper, he spelled out the extra precautions he’d taken and held up the research as a test case. “The potential to prepare for and mitigate future outbreaks must be weighed against the risk of creating more dangerous pathogens,” he wrote. “Scientific review panels may deem similar studies building chimeric viruses based on circulating strains too risky to pursue.” The NIH decided the risk was worth it. In a potentially fateful decision, it funded work similar to Baric’s at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which soon used its own reverse-genetics technology to make numerous coronavirus chimeras.

    Unnoticed by most, however, was a key difference that significantly shifted the risk calculation. The Chinese work was carried out at biosafety level 2 (BSL-2), a much lower tier than Baric’s ‘s BSL-3+.

    Baric in North Carolina was not doing the Gain of Function work work at a BSL-4 facility. A US intelligence report says three researchers from the Wuhan laboratory were treated in hospital in November 2019. Biden closed down further investigation.

    So my remark remains valid: what was the likelihood of a novel virus randomly appearing just next to one of 57 rare occurrences of maximum safety laboratories around the world? The answer is clearly zero.; SARS-CoV-2 came from a (US) lab and was released next to a (Chinese) lab to make it look “natural”

    Quite possibly SARS-CoV-2 came from work done in Baric’s North Carolina lab being continued in Wuhan. It looks like arrogance by Baric, insouciance by the NIH, and blundering by Chinese technicians.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  226. geokat62 says:

    Moderna Tells the FDA VRBPAC Committee “It’s Just Critically Important to Start Vaccinating Babies”

    Full Video: Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee – 6/14/2022

  227. Ron Unz says:

    I’m pleased to say that my Kevin Barrett interview broke 200,000 views a day or two ago:



    Video Link

    It seems likely that my Red Ice video will do the same within another couple of weeks, and the combined total of my video interviews is now well past the half-million view mark. These are really very encouraging numbers for video interviews from small podcasters which aren’t available on Youtube.

    Also, here’s my recent Kevin Barrett radio interview:



    With a quick transcript available here:

    https://www.unz.com/kbarrett/january-6th-hearings-demonize-trump-but-miss-the-elephant-in-the-room/#ron-unz-why-cant-people-face-the-evidence-that-covid-19-emer

  228. IreneAthena says: • Website
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Yes, there’s something much more grotesque going on, and on a global scale, but we may be able to do something to resist. For those who don’t like “wasting time” getting information from videos, the link is accompanied by a transcript.

    https://vernoncoleman.org/videos/nightmare-your-street

    • Thanks: Ultrafart the Brave
  229. @Sean

    Oh, ‘blundering’ by them dumb ‘gooks’, eh Sean. You can’t keep your racism under control for long, can you? Have you ever read the list of US bio-lab ‘accidents’. I believe US Today collected a list, probably not comprehensive, some years ago. Scores and scores of them, including AMRIID at Fort Detrick closed by the CDC in July 2019 for failing to meet biosafety standards. One wonders how long that had been going on, and the date is intriguing, is it not. And you make yourself look moronic by quoting ‘US intelligence reports’. Still yearning for ‘Saddam’s WMD’, no doubt. Buffoon.

  230. @Wizard of Oz

    Dear me, Wizz-projecting your own misanthropy onto the Chinese, who have kept their death-toll down to a few thousand. Your ignorance is exemplary, too. The Chinese Government relentlessly polls public opinion to ensure that the populace accept their policies, or not. Then they adjust accordingly-it’s one of the many reasons why the Chinese see their system as democratic. It serves the people, not just the rich, as Western ‘democracies’ do.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  231. @Levtraro

    If you read the entire (brief) article it says:

    The Chinese vaccine maker said an industrialization base of the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine was under construction in Shanghai. It will enable the annual production capacity to reach 100 million doses by the end of 2022.

    That sounds like a roll-out to me.

    I am writing this on a cellphone. It is incredibly troublesome to me to correct basic incomprehensions like this. Please read articles fully before you comment on them.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  232. @mulga mumblebrain

    As usual you seem only interested in pretending to answer a comment so you can make your own point, if any. If you did not prefer your naive pose you would see that you effectively reinforce the question about what Xi would do to hang on to supreme power and how much CCP hard heads actually care about Chinese people aside from what it takes to stay in power.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  233. Jon Chance says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Covid-1984 is a global psyop by the “bank” corporations that rule every puppet regime in the world today.

    Communist China provides the muscle for Jews to collect “taxation” (theft) from Gentiles everywhere on the planet.

    It’s all about bondage:

    [MORE]

    “But here is the point: If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill. The element that makes the bond good makes the bill good, also. It is absurd to say our nation can issue bonds and cannot issue currency. Both are promises to pay, but one fattens the usurer and the other helps the people.”

    – Thomas Edison

    Read the First US Constitution (Articles of Confederation) and the 1776 Declaration of Rights by George Mason.

    https://PlandemicSeries.com

    http://TheMoneyMasters.Com

    The Pyramid of Power

    Who Rules Today’s “Governments”?

    1 – Bank of England (1694-today) https://edu.bankofengland.co.uk/about/history

    2 – Rothschild (1769-today) https://www.rothschildarchive.org/exhibitions/timeline

    3 – Brotherhood of the Covenant (1843-today) https://www.bnaibrith.org/175th.html

    4 – WZO (1897-today) https://www.wzo.org.il

    5 – Federal Reserve Bank (1913-today) https://www.newyorkfed.org/aboutthefed/history_article.html

    6 – CFR (1921-today) https://www.cfr.org/book/continuing-inquiry

    7 – CCP (1921-today) http://english.www.gov.cn/19thcpccongress

    8 – BIS (1930-today) https://www.bis.org/about/history.htm

    9 – World Bank Group (1944-today) https://www.worldbank.org/en/about/history

    10 – UN (1945-today) https://www.un.org/en/about-un

    11 – ISIS (1948-today) https://www.mossad.gov.il/eng/history/Pages/default.aspx

    12 – NATO (1949-today) https://www.nato.int/nato-welcome/index.html

    13 – Bilderberg Group (1954-today) https://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/background/brief-history

    14 – EU (1967-today) https://europarlamentti.info/en/European-union/history

    15 – Trilateral Commission (1973-today) https://trilateral.org/page/3/about-trilateral

    16 – ECB (1988-today) https://www.ecb.europa.eu/ecb/history/html/index.en.html

    17 – AIIB (2015-today) https://www.aiib.org/en/about-aiib/index.html

  234. annamaria says:
    @chrimony

    It is curious that your post appears as cheerleading for “ignoring insanely dangerous gain-of-function research.” Perhaps you need to take some steps back to get the scale of Mr. Unz’s endeavor.

    • Replies: @chrimony
  235. annamaria says:
    @Sean

    You seriously overestimate the presence of moral fiber in MSM journalists and the US administration. Just try to focus for a minute on the discovered forty-six (46) bio-weaponry labs in Ukraine. Even before this discovery, a report “The Pentagon Bio-weapons” (2018) by Dilyana Gaytandzhieva showed pics and data on the use of bio-weaponry by DAPRA (DTRA, CBEP, Metabiota) specialists in Ukraine. https://dilyana.bg/the-pentagon-bio-weapons/

    What would be your practical advice for doing “something a lot more effective” than publishing reports on the subhuman attempts at getting full-spectrum dominance by any means? PNAC is a great document exposing the supremacist (talmudic) mentality of the US deciders.
    https://www.voltairenet.org/article215855.html

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
  236. annamaria says:
    @mcohen

    Chill out. Hopefully, the outburst of hate did not give your a seizure.

  237. Realist says:
    @Ralph B. Seymour

    Let me get this straight.

    In an attempt to prove that the “virus” exists, you cite the CDC website?

    Let me get this straight.

    So you think all the scientists at the CDC are lying? Who are your go-to experts?

    There are two other URLs cited.

    What do you propose made me sick?

  238. chrimony says:
    @annamaria

    Has Mr. Unz ever called out the Wuhan lab in China? Or has he been laser focused on blaming Covid as a bioweapon attack committed by the US against China? Unz has become a full-blown anti-US crank. When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

  239. Iris says:
    @chrimony

    Unz has become a full-blown anti-US crank.

    Firstly, name-calling will not do it. There are are elaborate scientific arguments which independently lead to exactly the same conclusion reached by Mr Unz.

    Pr Christian Drosten, a foremost virologist specialising in coronaviruses and the lead to Germany’s response to the Covid pandemic, has very clearly explained why SARS-CoV-2 is singular. The virus’ structure is so different from anything we knew before that, if it is the result of gain-of-function manipulations, then these manipulations were not carried out for medical reasons, but with the deliberate intent to produce a bio-weapon.

    https://www.republik.ch/2021/06/05/herr-drosten-woher-kam-dieses-virus

    Second, Mr Unz does not accuse “the USA”, but , repeatedly, a group of “rogue NeoCons”. As a lambda reader, the way I personally understood it is that the legally-elected Trump administration was not responsible, but that there exist Deep State actors who are unaccountable to the American public and do whatever they want, including far-reaching political provocations.

    The Covid virus appearing near a BSL-4 laboratory cannot be a coincidence. But if the Chinese had been carrying out with bio weapon-intended GoF, they would not have been retarded enough to do so in one of their main cities. Ergo, the Covid virus was planted near the WIV by provocateurs whose strategy involves cutting down China.

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/03/14/the-longer-telegram-contain-china-or-usa/
    https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/content-series/atlantic-council-strategy-paper-series/the-longer-telegram/

  240. @chrimony

    God yeah!! Then ChiComm gooks-let’s nuke ’em!!

  241. @Wizard of Oz

    Nope, Wizz-your stupid racism offended me, so I answered it. You are plainly an ignorant Western supremacist bigot, with no idea how the CPC operates. How do you explain the massive support for their Government by Chinese citizens? Bamboo slivers under the finger-nails? You’re stuck in Fu Manchu mode. I’d say that you are John Howard (politician) if you were not too clever for that.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  242. @mulga mumblebrain

    What is “racist” about assuming provisionally that human nature is sufficiently the same amongst all people to make it sensible to raise the same questions. After all Chinese people don’t support Xi and the CCP because they know what they really think and are motivated by but by, particularly, their own experiences.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  243. chrimony says:
    @Iris

    But if the Chinese had been carrying out with bio weapon-intended GoF, they would not have been retarded enough to do so in one of their main cities.

    The problem with your logic is that it’s already retarded to be carrying out GoF research in the middle of a city. It doesn’t have to be designed as a bioweapon — it’s very nature is insanely dangerous. The head of the Wuhan lab, Shi Zhengli, already acknowledged this back in a 2015 paper:

    “Together, these data and restrictions represent a crossroads of GOF research concerns; the potential to prepare for and mitigate future outbreaks must be weighed against the risk of creating more dangerous pathogens. In developing policies moving forward, it is important to consider the value of the data generated by these studies and whether these types of chimeric virus studies warrant further investigation versus the inherent risks involved.”

    Yet these lunatics kept at it. This was a ticking timebomb waiting to go off.

    As an aside, using an airborne virus as a bioweapon attack against a single country is also retarded.

    • Replies: @Iris
  244. @Realist

    Wow, I actually agree with Realist for once, and sympathize, as I too got extremely sick from COVID.

    Maybe the Deniers serve a purpose after all. 🌈

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  245. Levtraro says:
    @Punch Brother Punch

    Your comment was a gross exaggeration. This is what you wrote:

    China’s about to roll out mRNAs so I guess they’ll all be dead soon, too.

    Do you know how long it takes to finish Pase III trials? 4 to 5 Years.

    https://pharma.nridigital.com/pharma_dec20/phase_iii_trials_improvements

    The Chinese working on mRNA vaccines are in Phase I trials, as per article you linked to.

    They haven’t yet reached Phase II trials.

    Ergo, any eventual rolling out of mRNA vaccines will take over 6-7 years.

    And you wrote the above quote.

    Gross exaggeration.

    • Replies: @Punch Brother Punch
  246. Ron Unz says:
    @chrimony

    Has Mr. Unz ever called out the Wuhan lab in China?

    It’s clear you’ve never read any of my articles or listened/watched any of my interviews, and I think you should do so:

    https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/

    You seem like someone who gets all his information from FoxNews or that sort of thing. There’s absolutely ZERO evidence that the Wuhan lab had anything to do with the Covid outbreak. Indeed, an experienced Australian virologist was working in the lab during that period and she’s very skeptical the virus was developed there, let alone that it somehow leaked out:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/

    • Replies: @chrimony
  247. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Iris

    Firstly, name-calling will not do it.

    Frau Unz spent ~2 years labeling questioners of Covid orthodoxy as ‘Anti-Vaxx Crackpots’, so your point is what, exactly?

    There are are elaborate scientific arguments which independently lead to exactly the same conclusion reached by Mr Unz.

    None of which explain the low death rate from this ‘deadly virus’ in primarily unvaxxed African nations. If you want to suck-off the kosher host, out of decency, get a room.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Ron Unz
  248. chrimony says:
    @Ron Unz

    It’s clear you’ve never read any of my articles

    Wrong. I’ve sparred with you before many months ago on this topic. When I came back to the site after a period of absence, I thought it was lame that you were still banging this drum.

    You seem like someone who gets all his information from FoxNews or that sort of thing.

    You sound like an anti-US crank with a hammer in search of nails.

    There’s absolutely ZERO evidence that the Wuhan lab had anything to do with the Covid outbreak.

    As a physicist, that you should make a statement like this is an embarrassment to your credentials. You do know there is such a thing as circumstantial evidence, right?

    o Wuhan lab studying bat viruses just happened to be at ground zero.
    o Wuhan lab was conducting experiments on GoF.
    o Virus looks like GoF research.
    o Paper in 2015 by Shi highlighted the dangers of GoF research.
    o Wuhan lab virus databases went offline.
    o Peter Daszak of EcoHealth Alliance and funder of Wuhan lab tried to whitewash lab leak as a “conspiracy theory”.

    Occam’s Razor says lab leak. And even IF it was a deliberate US attack, that doesn’t change the fact the research going on in the middle of a city was insanely dangerous and stupid, almost as stupid as the US using an airborne virus to target another country in the modern world.

    let alone that it somehow leaked out

    “somehow”

    You know these kinds of labs have had numerous accidents, right?

  249. Iris says:
    @Anon

    … labeling questioners of Covid orthodoxy as ‘Anti-Vaxx Crackpots’, so your point is what, exactly?

    Look dear, I have no interest in commenters like you.
    There are a number of you on this forum, who seem to be obsessed with antagonising R. Unz and toppling down his “image” every time they disagree with him, as if you were some jilted idolatresses whose cult master is not paying enough attention to.

    Your obsession with converting him to your ideas only reflects your own intellectual and psychological weakness. Why do you so badly and needily want him to agree with you? Why do you so needily care about him approving of your opinions?

    Regarding the COVID vaccines, may be you are right, or maybe be R. Unz is: the jury is still out on that one.
    Personally, having lost 3 perfectly healthy, late-50’s, early-60’s family members to Covid, I am not interested neither in reading your Covid denial nonsense, but you are entitled to your opinions and I must respect them.

    Just grow up, behave like an adult, take responsibility for your opinions , accept with confidence and urbanity to present your arguments, and agree to disagree with people if you can’t convince them instead of insulting them, even if these people are your secret and unacknowledged intellectual idol.

    Your comment is appalling: I came across many cats that show more class and grace than you do.

    Finally, believe it or not but for some the issue of vaccine efficacy is of secondary importance, and is almost a tiresome, narcissistic obsession compared to the big picture, that of the global-scale Covid provocation aiming at re-shaping the geopolitics of the world.
    Once you fully appreciate the extent of the disaster we are heading to, you may understand.

    • Replies: @Anon
  250. Ron Unz says:
    @Anon

    None of which explain the low death rate from this ‘deadly virus’ in primarily unvaxxed African nations.

    As you probably should realize, most countries in Sub-Saharan Africa have very poorly organized governments, and their public health statistics aren’t remotely reliable. So nobody really has any idea of how many Africans have died of Covid. One of the very few exceptions is South Africa, which still has a (somewhat) functioning public health infrastructure, and they’ve reported over 100,000 Covid deaths. That per capita death rate isn’t all that different from America’s, and about what you’d expect since the local population is so much more youthful than ours and also much thinner.

    What a remarkable coincidence! The one African country with the most solid public health statistics is also the one that reports huge numbers of Covid deaths.

    Similarly, the totally dishonest and incompetent Indian government had claimed very few Covid deaths, but the actual total of “excess deaths” seems to be well over 4 million.

    • Replies: @Anon
  251. Ron Unz says:
    @chrimony

    Wrong. I’ve sparred with you before many months ago on this topic. When I came back to the site after a period of absence, I thought it was lame that you were still banging this drum.

    You obviously haven’t read my articles because I’ve addressed all these points at considerable length. You’re just an ignorant Foxtard lapping up American propaganda.

    I won’t bother repeating myself, but here are a couple of the most relevant links:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-george-orwells-virus-lab-leak/#was-covid-developed-as-a-bioweapon

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-confronting-covid-crimestop/

    A key point to consider is that the only reason anyone suspects that the Wuhan lab was somehow involved is that the Covid outbreak began in Wuhan. Which is obviously one of the main reasons Wuhan was selected for the attack.

    You also haven’t explained how the virus almost immediately jumped 3,500 miles to hit the Iranian political and religious elites in the Holy City of Qom, which has almost no Chinese population, and did so just after America had assassinated Iran’s top military leader.

    • Replies: @chrimony
    , @Wizard of Oz
  252. Iris says:
    @chrimony

    The problem with your logic is that it’s already retarded to be carrying out GoF research in the middle of a city.

    Moving the goalpost only shows that you are losing the argument, you know that.

    There is no point diverting the subject about medical G0F: as far as we know, everybody has been doing it at least since 2011.

    Nobody can affirm that the Chinese were carrying with GoF at Wuhan precisely, but what we know for sure is that their biological research overall is extremely beneficial to humankind in its entirety. China has offered hundreds of millions of free Covid vaccines to poorer countries, far surpassing the UN humanitarian effort. She also has worked hard to develop ground-breaking Ebola vaccines for the most downtrodden on Earth, who cannot pay but will get them for free, too.
    https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1000149/the-man-behind-chinas-ebola-vaccine

    The core point is simple: the Covid virus, by its genetic structure, is not the product of medical gain-of-function research; it is designed as an optimised bioweapon.
    Why would the Chinese develop a bio-weapon in a laboratory where researchers from 5-eyes countries were regularly invited? Do you realise the immense capacities China can deploy to build any secret lab, if she wanted to?

    As an aside, using an airborne virus as a bioweapon attack against a single country is also retarded.

    Retardation is a trademark of the Zionist-Occupied Government’s cunning planning skills: just look at their latest sanction and military debacle in the Ukraine.

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @chrimony
  253. Ron Unz says:
    @chrimony

    You’re also probably unaware that a couple of recent academic papers by the leading Western researchers have determined that the Wuhan outbreak began around the Huanan outdoor market and seemed to have no geographical connection whatsoever with the Wuhan lab, which was miles away:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/02/26/science/covid-virus-wuhan-origins.html

    This deals a crippling blow to the accidental lab-leak hypothesis. However, if the virus were deliberately released, the Huanan market might have been a very logical target, given the huge local foot-traffic and the desire to blame the outbreak on an animal-sourced virus.

  254. @Iris

    Is there a presentation of Dorsten’s view accessible in English? A quick google search pulled almost nil.

    • Replies: @Iris
  255. chrimony says:
    @Iris

    Moving the goalpost only shows that you are losing the argument, you know that. There is no point diverting the subject about medical G0F: as far as we know, everybody has been doing it at least since 2011.

    What. The. Fuck. I applied YOUR logic to the topic at hand. That’s not “moving the goalposts”. My entire initial point is that the lab leak is the most likely explanation and is insanely dangerous. Just because you have no answer for it doesn’t mean you get to dismiss it by throwing darts at a logical fallacy bingo card.

    Nobody can affirm that the Chinese were carrying with GoF at Wuhan precisely, but what we know for sure is that their biological research overall is extremely beneficial to humankind in its entirety.

    Christ, you’re as bad as Fauci dissembling in front of Rand Paul. I QUOTED FROM THE 2015 PAPER WHICH SHOWED THAT WERE DOING EXACTLY THAT. In their own words, they ADMITTED the research was dangerous, and QUESTIONED the risk-benefit ratio. Could you sound anymore like a Chinese sycophant?

    The core point is simple: the Covid virus, by its genetic structure, is not the product of medical gain-of-function research; it is designed as an optimised bioweapon.

    It looks exactly like the kind of thing they were doing in 2015 when they reached a crossroads and chose the insanely dangerous route. A bioweapon against China at least could have been engineered against Chinese people, so that it wouldn’t boomerang.

    Retardation is a trademark of the Zionist-Occupied Government’s cunning planning skills: just look at their latest sanction and military debacle in the Ukraine.

    Retardation is also a trademark of scientists doing GoF research, but you’d rather divert to Ukraine than address that. China’s top-down government is also retarded. Just look at their bumbling, bureaucratic, authoritarian response still going on today as part of the Zero Covid policy. Locking up millions in their apartments — then having them all congregate together for tests. Truly centralized government at its most moronic.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  256. chrimony says:
    @Ron Unz

    You obviously haven’t read my articles because I’ve addressed all these points at considerable length.

    You obviously like to repeat wrong information despite being corrected, and like to handwave at your articles instead of dealing with Occam’s Razor. This was my last comment to you in June of last year, almost a year to the day:

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-covid-bioweapon-made-in-the-usa-aimed-at-china/?showcomments#comment-4727477

    That was a long thread in which I’ve addressed all your talking points, and I doubt you’ve come up with anything worthwhile since then.

    A key point to consider is that the only reason anyone suspects that the Wuhan lab was somehow involved is that the Covid outbreak began in Wuhan.

    Oh, is that all? Just that the lab doing insanely dangerous GoF research on bat viruses happened to be ground zero for an outbreak of a novel bat coronavirus that looks like the result of GoF research? BUT WE CAN DISMISS THAT because the US used an airborne virus as a bioweapon, and used the lab as cover! Brilliant!

    Did you address why the Wuhan lab databases went offline?

    You also haven’t explained how the virus almost immediately jumped 3,500 miles to hit the Iranian political and religious elites in the Holy City of Qom, which has almost no Chinese population, and did so just after America had assassinated Iran’s top military leader.

    I addressed that in the thread I linked to above last year. So instead of handwaving at your articles, I suggest you take your own advice and reread the thread. But you’d rather just rehash the same old stuff, and completely pretend that all the lab leak evidence doesn’t exist.

    You’re also probably unaware that a couple of recent academic papers by the leading Western researchers have determined that the Wuhan outbreak began around the Huanan outdoor market and seemed to have no geographical connection whatsoever with the Wuhan lab, which was miles away:

    I also address that in the thread from last year. yawn

  257. Ron Unz says:
    @chrimony

    You obviously like to repeat wrong information despite being corrected, and like to handwave at your articles instead of dealing with Occam’s Razor. This was my last comment to you in June of last year, almost a year to the day…That was a long thread in which I’ve addressed all your talking points, and I doubt you’ve come up with anything worthwhile since then.

    Against my better judgment, I glanced at some of your old comments and they were as pitifully weak as I had expected.

    You’ve also ignored numerous additional issues or seem entirely ignorant of them. Are you aware that Robert Kadlec, one of America’s foremost biowarfare advocates, spent the first eight months of 2019 running the Crimson Contagion exercise, in which he worked with state and federal officials on how best to safeguard America from any spillover infections if a dangerous respiratory virus suddenly appeared in China? And exactly that sort of virus suddenly appeared in Wuhan just a few weeks later. Yet another odd coincidence.

    You’re also probably unaware that a couple of recent academic papers by the leading Western researchers have determined that the Wuhan outbreak began around the Huanan outdoor market and seemed to have no geographical connection whatsoever with the Wuhan lab, which was miles away:

    I also address that in the thread from last year. yawn

    Very, very impressive. The academic papers I cited were only published this February, yet you’d already addressed their findings last year. You must have the the skill of precognition among your numerous talents.

    • Replies: @chrimony
  258. chrimony says:
    @Ron Unz

    Against my better judgment, I glanced at some of your old comments and they were as pitifully weak as I had expected.

    This coming from the clown that tried to dismiss the Occam’s Razor evidence of the Wuhan lab leak as “ZERO evidence”.

    I’ll ask again, why did the Wuhan lab databases go offline?

    Are you aware that Robert Kadlec, one of America’s foremost biowarfare advocates, spent the first eight months of 2019 running the Crimson Contagion exercise, in which he worked with state and federal officials on how best to safeguard America from any spillover infections if a dangerous respiratory virus suddenly appeared in China?

    Like SARS has in the past? Why use an airborne virus as a bioweapon? What was the conclusion of their simulation? That America would be ill-prepared to handle it? Why don’t you mention Event 201, which also happened in 2019? Or how about Clade X, which was done in 2018? Or how about the WHO’s “simulation for a global pandemic response involving more than 40 countries will take place 4-6 December, 2018”?

    Very, very impressive. The academic papers I cited were only published this February, yet you’d already addressed their findings last year.

    My apologies, I was talking about the earlier claim of a wet market in Wuhan being the epicenter. This new claim of a wetmarket in Wuhan being the epicenter changes everything! *rolls eyes*

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  259. @chrimony

    Dear me-the quality of trolls is falling. To add arrogant presumption to predictable mendacity is only to be expected from this type. Dying Empires breed this type like corpse flies. They attempt to compensate for the loss of vitality and cogency with ever more lurid posturing.

  260. @chrimony

    The racist contempt for the Chinese, and, no doubt for ALL the various global ‘niggas’, is only to be expected by an Imperial troll so late in the Real Evil Empire’s benighted existence. I do love the gall of a flunky of a decaying Empire abusing the Government of the country that has made the greatest economic, scientific, cultural and human welfare leap in all history. And just as he wades though the rivers of human urine and faeces awash on the streets of the USA’s great cities, kicking the typhus infested rats to one side as he goes.

  261. @Wizard of Oz

    Do you wish to re-submit that final sentence so I can work out whether I concur, or, more likely, not.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  262. @Levtraro

    Your comment was a gross exaggeration…Do you know how long it takes to finish Pase III trials? 4 to 5 Years.

    From the article:

    The Chinese vaccine maker said an industrialization base of the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine was under construction in Shanghai. It will enable the annual production capacity to reach 100 million doses by the end of 2022.

    A medical manufacturing facility of this size isn’t going to sit around inactive for 6-7 years. They are prepping this.

    Sorry if my previous response to you was hostile. But I genuinely think China is going to embrace mRNAs.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  263. @mulga mumblebrain

    After all Chinese people don’t support Xi and the CCP because they [the Chinese people] know what they [Chinese CCP rulers] really think and are motivated by that, but, much more, by their own experiences.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  264. @Ron Unz

    Hmm. Not like you to say something actually fallacious on the face of it but that is what the following par is when you take into account out temporal sequence.

    A key point to consider is that the only reason anyone suspects that the Wuhan lab was somehow involved is that the Covid outbreak began in Wuhan. Which is obviously one of the main reasons Wuhan was selected for the attack.

    You mean of course “the fact that the Wuhan lab could plausibly be accused of being the source of a lab leak was obviously one of the main reasons Wujan was selected for the attack”.

    OK my noticing such points is pedantry and maybe you will find merit in commenter chrimony that he doesn’t seem to have noticed.

  265. @chrimony

    You know these kinds of labs have had numerous accidents, right?

    That’s not the view of Dominic Dyer, the Australian representative on the WHO investigative team. The opposite of that was why he said they concluded that it wasn’t a lab leak.

    • Replies: @chrimony
  266. Ron Unz says:
    @chrimony

    I’ll ask again, why did the Wuhan lab databases go offline?

    Once again, you’ve demonstrated you haven’t read my articles. Just this once, I’ll quote a relevant paragraph:

    Numerous puzzling issues become less puzzling under this biowarfare scenario. Mutational and epidemiological evidence strongly suggests that Patient Zero of the Wuhan outbreak probably became infected sometime during the period from mid-October to mid-November 2019. The authors note that the Wuhan lab’s public virus database had been taken offline on September 12th, and they consider this quite suspicious, perhaps indicating that a lab-leak had just occurred. The official explanation provided was that the database had been repeatedly attacked by hackers, but they reject this as implausible: why would hackers have targeted the database months before the world learned of any outbreak? However, such an attempted hacking would make perfect sense in the context of a forthcoming biowarfare attack against China, which was intended to be blamed upon the Wuhan lab. Being scientists and science journalists, Chan and Ridley fail to consider events through the eyes of intelligence operatives or military planners.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-confronting-covid-crimestop/

    Under your hypothesis, the database was taken offline in September because a leak had occurred at the Wuhan lab. But it’s been solidly established that Patient Zero became infected at least a month or two later, which is entirely inconsistent with that chronology.

    Until you bother reading my articles, I doubt I’ll bother responding to your ignorant nonsense.

    • Replies: @chrimony
    , @Wizard of Oz
  267. chrimony says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You know these kinds of labs have had numerous accidents, right?

    That’s not the view of Dominic Dyer, the Australian representative on the WHO investigative team. The opposite of that was why he said they concluded that it wasn’t a lab leak.

    I can’t see a source for that. Here’s the one relevant source I found:

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/a-who-investigator-s-take-on-why-virus-lab-leak-theory-is-flawed-20210608-p57z16.html

    He gives his reasoning as, “The laboratory leak, for that to be the origin … meant they must have had the virus to begin with, and we don’t have evidence of that.”

    Of course, the Wuhan lab shut down access to their databases. When asked about that, he relays China’s pathetic excuse about trying to thwart hacking. And here’s the what-the-fuck moment in the article:

    “Professor Dwyer said the team was not asked to conduct a forensic audit of the institute’s files and viruses.”

    Really.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @geokat62
  268. chrimony says:
    @Ron Unz

    Under your hypothesis, the database was taken offline in September because a leak had occurred at the Wuhan lab. But it’s been solidly established that Patient Zero became infected at least a month or two later, which is entirely inconsistent with that chronology.

    Nothing has been “solidly established” about the date of the first case. Are you telling me, given the wide range of possibilities presented, it’s impossible the first case didn’t happen a single month earlier? All we have are assumptions and models based on sketchy data.

    WHY was it taken down in September? WHY didn’t China release the contents of the database amid questions? WHY didn’t the WHO investigate the databases? WHY did China ask US researchers to delete data?

    Until you bother reading my articles, I doubt I’ll bother responding to your ignorant nonsense.

    Fine with me, since you’re still peddling the same garbage from a year ago, like using Iran as a talking point: “the virus almost immediately jumped 3,500 miles to hit the Iranian political and religious elites in the Holy City of Qom”.

    Here’s a snippet of what I had to say about that last year:

    “So a full two months after Wuhan. Why did the spooks wait so long? It also hit Italy hard in February too. But you ignore that, because it doesn’t match the narrative.”

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-covid-bioweapon-made-in-the-usa-aimed-at-china/?showcomments#comment-4724374

  269. Iris says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Hello EKR.

    Pr Drosten’s opinion is well worth reading: he is one the scientist who discovered the first SARS 1 coronavirus created a PCR test accordingly.
    His interview was thoroughly translated to French by French alternative website “Les Crises“.
    https://www.les-crises.fr/sars-cov-2-d-ou-vient-ce-virus-interview-du-virologue-christian-drosten/
    Here is, translated to English, the section where he explains why the genomic structure of the SARS-CoV-2 virus is incompatible with it resulting from medical bio-research:

    Q: There is a theory that this virus may have escaped from a laboratory. This hypothesis is supported by the fact that the SARS-2 virus is particularly infectious for humans. So far, it is impossible to explain how it arose through natural selection, unlike the cases of MERS and SARS-1. There is also the theory that the virus mutated on Chinese fur farms. Mr. Drosten, where did this virus come from?

    I am also thinking of the fur industry. This laboratory hypothesis, of course exists. From a purely technical point of view, if we are content to look at the genome, it is within the realm of the possible. But I can say that I know very well the techniques that would be required to modify a virus in this way. If someone had developed SARS-2 this way, I would say they would have done it in a rather complicated way. There was no need to make it so difficult.

    Q: What are you trying to say ?

    Well, there are actually two lab hypotheses. The first is maliciousness, that someone deliberately designed such a virus. The other would be the accident of research, that is to say that an experiment had gone wrong despite good intentions and genuine intellectual curiosity. The hypothesis of malevolence, honestly, would have to be talked about with Intelligence Services. I can’t judge that as a scientist.

    Q: What about the research accident?

    If we think about it now, we would like to change some specific things [to the virus]. There is what is called the furin cleavage site, a genetic property of the spinal protein of the virus, the most obvious.

    Q: The furin cleavage site in SARS-2, allows the virus to better penetrate the human cell?

    That’s it. So imagine someone wants to see what happens if you give a coronavirus that furin cleavage site that we know of from studying influenza viruses, to see if it makes the virus more virulent. To that purpose, I would take the SARS -1 virus, in a form that I can also modify in the laboratory, a DNA clone. You understand me ?

    Q: We’re trying. Explain to us.

    You can’t just put a virus in a Petri dish and start experimenting on it. Building a DNA clone from a virus requires two to three years of molecular biology work. The researchers actually made such clones from the original SARS-1 virus. If one had wanted to develop a kind of SARS-2 in the laboratory, one would have inserted modifications, for example this furin site, into such a clone of SARS-1 in order to find out whether this adaptation makes the SARS-1 virus more infectious.
    But that was not the case here. The whole structure of this new virus is different: SARS-2 is full of differences from the original SARS-1 virus.

    Q: What does that mean, that the whole structure is different?

    Let me explain with an image: For example, to test whether adaptations make the virus more contagious, I would take an existing system, introduce the change there, and then compare it to the old system. If I want to know if a new car radio improves the sound, I’d take an existing car and change the car radio, then compare it to the initial car. I won’t be building a whole new car to make my comparison. But that’s exactly what happened with SARS-2: the whole car is different.

    Q: And that means?

    This idea of ​​a research accident [leak from the WIV] seems to me extremely improbable, because it [the new virus] would have been much too complex. As for the idea of ​​a malicious use of a secret service laboratory somewhere, in any case, it could not be the Wuhan Institute of Virology. It is a reputable academic institute. (End of extract)

    If you wish so, you can check for yourself the rest of the interview in this machine translation of the original interview in German. With regards.

    https://www-republik-ch.translate.goog/2021/06/05/herr-drosten-woher-kam-dieses-virus?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

    • Thanks: Emil Nikola Richard
  270. @chrimony

    I’m sorry my nitpicking a very small nit didn’t even give you Dwyer’s name correctly. But here

    https://theconversation.com/i-was-the-australian-doctor-on-the-whos-covid-19-mission-to-china-heres-what-we-found-about-the-origins-of-the-coronavirus-155554

    I fid this

    While viruses certainly do escape from laboratories, this is rare. So, we concluded it was extremely unlikely this had happened in Wuhan.

    In another lifetime I would read your current and past comments carefully and with considerable interest and respect but, for the time being, I shall content myself that I reject Ron’s two main arguments for his theory, not least because he has not attempted to answer my reasoning, his “smoking gun”, which I see as a clumsy anti Trump plot, and his failure to acknowledge how easily a superspreader (like the Korean Christian woman) explains what happened in Iran.

    • Replies: @chrimony
  271. @Ron Unz

    Under your hypothesis, the database was taken offline in September because a leak had occurred at the Wuhan lab. But it’s been solidly established that Patient Zero became infected aUndert least a month or two later, which is entirely inconsistent with that chronology.

    Not quite. Amongst the possibilities would be that they breathed a sigh of relief at the end of October in the belief that there had been no infections. But that could have been wrong because there may have been people who suffered only a very mild form of the disease which was not treated by doctors and/or others whose symptoms were close enough to flu or viral Pneumonia to be misidentified.

  272. @Wizard of Oz

    but ARE IN FACT MOTIVATED, much more, by their own experiences.

  273. chrimony says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    The Aussie doctor sayeth:

    While viruses certainly do escape from laboratories, this is rare. So, we concluded it was extremely unlikely this had happened in Wuhan.

    Do you know what’s also rare? A pandemic caused by a bat coronavirus that looks like an engineered gain-of-function virus emerging in the same vicinity of a lab that does gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
    , @Iris
  274. geokat62 says:
    @chrimony

    Of course, the Wuhan lab shut down access to their databases. When asked about that, he relays China’s pathetic excuse about trying to thwart hacking. And here’s the what-the-fuck moment in the article:

    “Professor Dwyer said the team was not asked to conduct a forensic audit of the institute’s files and viruses.”

    Really.

    Speaking of forensic audits…

    The allegation of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election was so serious that it could’ve led to the impeachment of a sitting president and the leading law enforcement agency of the land (FBI, better known as Cheka) was willing to allow a third party to conduct an “independent” investigation it alone was supposed to conduct. And what is Crowdstrike?

    What is CrowdStrike? Firm Hired by DNC has Ties to Hillary Clinton, a Ukrainian Billionaire and Google:

    In lieu of substantive evidence provided to the public that the alleged hacks which led to Wikileaks releases of DNC and Clinton Campaign Manager John Podesta’s emails were orchestrated by the Russian Government, CrowdStrike’s bias has been cited as undependable in its own assessment, in addition to its skeptical methods and conclusions. The firm’s CTO and co-founder, Dmitri Alperovitch*, is a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, a think tank with openly anti-Russian sentiments that is funded by Ukrainian billionaire Victor Pinchuk, who also happened to donate at least \$10 million to the Clinton Foundation.

    In 2013, the Atlantic Council awarded Hillary Clinton it’s Distinguished International Leadership Award. In 2014, the Atlantic Council hosted one of several events with former Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who took over after pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych was ousted in early 2014, who now lives in exile in Russia.

    http://www.maxkeiser.com/2017/03/what-is-crowdstrike-firm-hired-by-dnc-has-ties-to-hillary-clinton-a-ukrainian-billionaire-and-google/

    *”[Crowdstrike’s] founder and head, a Russian Jew and American citizen Dmitry Alperovich is a pathological Russia hater on the model of Masha Gessen and Max Boot.” Source: Israel Shamir

  275. Levtraro says:
    @Punch Brother Punch

    Thanks for being civil.

    Maybe the Chinese will embrace the mRNA vaccine technology but it seems they will do it after proper testing, that is Phase I, Phase II and Phase III trials. That’s how it should’ve been done in the West, instead of emergency approval of a biotechnology never before used in humans. Scientific protocols for drug development and release have been established over a very long period for very good reasons.

    • Agree: Punch Brother Punch
  276. TKON says:

    Sorry, the first warning for the (COVID) epidemic, in writing, is from 1947.

    The origin / creation of the bioweapon is the mid to late 1970’s.

    The first accidental escape from the labs was in 2002/2003 as SARS, which is a coronavirus.

    The second accidental escape from the labs was in EARLY and MID 2019.

    The originators were a powerful American and and powerful Chinese leader. It was the American’s idea.

    #37

    The target was the US.

    The originators died long ago.

  277. @chrimony

    In fact it appearing near the WIV (but not that close)points to the US bio-warfare attack hypothesis. Where better to leave a false trail than at the victims front-door. The US troops involved in the world military games were a perfect vector for transmission, and it’s simply the sort of thing the USA does, and I, for one, have been awaiting it for years. If it is true that the US military games team prepared near Fort Detrick, there is a vanishingly small chance that the contamination was accidental.

  278. Iris says:
    @chrimony

    Do you know what’s also rare? A pandemic …..

    I’ll tell what is rare after two years of Covid: it is to come across somebody, furthermore two people, so retarded that they fail to understand such a simple argument regarding the genetic composition of SARS-CoV-2. Congratulations to you both, you really stand out.

    Coronaviruses have a relatively simple genetic composition, made of about 30,000 nucleotide positions.

    They are analysed by comparison to other known viruses, using one virus as a baseline.

    Below is the similarity plot based on the full-length genome sequence of SARS-CoV-2. It has very little resemblance to the original SARS-1 (SARS CoV BJ01, in red), with nucleotide similarity varying between 80% to as low as 30%.

    Therefore, this new virus could not have been cloned out of a known virus for medical gain-of-Function research purposes, and is not the product of medical GoF experimentation.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2012-7

    • Thanks: Arthur MacBride
    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
    , @chrimony
  279. @Iris

    Dear Iris
    I have been distracted recently with moving house and unable to give UR more than fleeting visits, so it’s a real pleasure for me to see this very praiseworthy entry by Mr Unz on his ongoing campaign to get the USA government to actually tell the truth. As always, your information is most valuable and pertinent.
    With reference to the pair of hasbara trolls, those types grow more obvious and shameless as Truth closes them in.
    Kindest and Best regards to you Iris. And to Mr Unz and all strivers for Truth in these columns.

    • Thanks: Iris
    • Replies: @Iris
  280. chrimony says:
    @Iris

    I’ll tell what is rare after two years of Covid: it is to come across somebody, furthermore two people, so retarded

    Don’t be so hard on yourselves. You and Ron mean well, I’m sure.

    Below is the similarity plot based on the full-length genome sequence of SARS-CoV-2. It has very little resemblance to the original SARS-1 (SARS CoV BJ01, in red), with nucleotide similarity varying between 80% to as low as 30%.

    Yes, and?

    Therefore, this new virus could not have been cloned out of a known virus for medical gain-of-Function research purposes, and is not the product of medical GoF experimentation.

    Now that’s a pretty retarded conclusion. First off, access to the Wuhan database was shut down, and for some reason a forensic audit was never conducted. The Wuhan lab was continuously getting new samples of bat viruses. But more importantly, the graph you show has a very high correlation, in the >90% range, for Bat CoV RaTG13. So your entire point is nonsensical.

    What we know as a matter of fact, because they WROTE REPORTS ON IT, and money man Peter Daszak of EcoHealth alliance openly talked about it, is that the Wuhan institute would create novel gain-of-function viruses out of viruses collected from the wild to see if they might be dangerous. Yes, that’s as stupid as it sounds.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @mulga mumblebrain
  281. geokat62 says:

    Dr. Fleming is a whistleblower who testified under oath whether Covid-19 and related vaccines are a deliberate attack on the United States. Dr. Fleming consented to this testimony being used in any appropriate proceeding.

    Please watch the video in it’s entirety here:

    https://galleries.vidflow.co/awitness

    Incomplete transcript continued below related to Gain of Function research…

    3min Dr. Richard Fleming has written a book posing the question if covid-19… is a bioweapon. Dr. Fleming states that “the function of the book was to provide information that the general public could look at, and also provide evidence for the legal system and medical system to understand the Gain of Function research that has been carried out for a couple of decades, to show where the money came from, what papers were published, showing what types of Gain of Function research occurred and to show the patents, to clearly lay out two decades worth of work that’s been conducted funded primarily by the United States, although other countries have been involved, and to show how there’s no evidence that Sars-Cov-2, (the virus that causes Covid-19) is naturally occurring, no animal model for it, and to show the type of research that has been done with coronaviruses funded by the U.S., supported by NIAID, NIH, Department Of Defence, moneys that went to Peter Daszak, Ecohealth, to Ralph Baric, University of Carolina, to Shi Zhengli, Wuhan Institute of Virology, and several other universities around the country, including in the state of Texas.”

    [MORE]

    4m40 Dr. Fleming: The biological weapons convention treaty states that any adjustment or modification of a biological agent like this virus that doesn’t provide a benefit for mankind, is a biological weapon. These particular changes in this virus, including the PRRA inserts, which are amino acid that were inserted that are very critical for the Furin cleavage site for this virus to infect, the insertion sites that were made with HIV and simian or ape-like HIV equivalent viruses. The prion-like domain at the top of the spike protein as well as the HIV Glycoprotein 120 insert that’s critical for the attachment of this virus to cells, all of which are not naturally occurring. We’ve looked at all the different coronaviruses that exist on the planet. None of them have PRRA insert, none of them have this tremendous amount of HIV inserts, none of them have a regional binding domain that is a prion-like binding domain, which means it attaches to cells. And prions are things that are abnormal proteins that cause other proteins to become abnormally folded. To be clear, genetic changes were made to the spike protein in a lab to create what is known as Covid-19. That’s what the data shows.

    6m20 Interviewer: Research done in 2010 by Shi Zhengli, who’s often called the bat lady, her goal of that research was to increase for the ability of the virus to infect human cells. Naturally occurring spike protein from horseshoe bats were unable to bind to human ACE2 receptors. It sounds like you discovered at least two man-made inserts into the Sars-Cov-2 spike protein genetic code, that proved it was produced in a lab?”

    Dr. Fleming: Right, the research papers Shi Zhengli, Baric, and others published, they were very clear and somewhat proud of the fact that they’ve been able to modify the virus and insert changes to it that made it more infective and potentially more dangerous. [—–transcript missing—-]

    9m40 Interviewer: This genetic code for the Furin cleavage insert in the PRRA, is that found in any other coronaviruses in nature?

    Dr. Fleming: None. There is absolutely no other coronaviruses that has this PRRA insert. Since mutations occur one nucleotide base at a time, you will have to come up with a phenomenal explanation as to why 12 nucleotide bases suddenly inserted themselves into a virus that none of the other viruses in that category have. [—–transcript missing—-]

    11m Interviewer: Are you saying sections of the genetic code of HIV were inserted into SARS-COV-2 virus?

    Dr. Fleming: Shi Zhengli published this early on, many years ago, where she was very proud that she did this. She used a HIV pseudovirus to do it, and we also know that HIV glycoprotein 120 is a prion.

    Interviewer: So this is the HIV that became famous in the 80s and 90s. It’s THAT HIV!?” Dr. Fleming: Right.
    Interviewer: And somebody took pieces of a genetic code of HIV and put it into Sars-Cov-2?

    Dr. Fleming: That’s what Shi Zhengli admitted to in publications that she had yes. It was to increase infectivity to make it more infective. But it is even clearer that what she was going for was the development of a prion disease, because where everybody is coming up to speed with a virus and how challenging it can be to deal with it, what’s even more challenging to deal with are prions. Because prion diseases are relatively new in our understanding for treatment, and they cause permanent damage unless they can be reversed. So the development of a prion putting HIV glycoprotein 120 in there attaching to the sialic acid receptor, there is nothing about that, that is advantageous for people, and the ability to produce prion diseases is quite a weapon.

    Interviewer: How lethal are prion diseases?

    Dr. Fleming: People die from prion diseases.

    Interviewer: This process of inserting amino acids to increase infectivity, is that Gain-of-Function?

    Dr. Fleming: Right, so Gain-Of-Function is anything you do that changes a naturally occurring biological agent like this virus. The premise of Gain-Of-Function really has a good premise behind it. The original idea is that if you could step ahead of an infectious agent, you could do a good job at providing treatments for people, and knowing when and where it’s going to spread. This isn’t a step ahead. This isn’t a single nucleotide base. This is a spike protein that has an HIV glycoprotein-120 insert into it. This is a spike protein that has four amino acids to make a Furin cleavage site, the PRRA insert. This is a spike protein that has multiple HIV and SIH inserts. This is not something that evolutionary evolved. The evolution of something with this many changes would take hundreds or thousands of years, it’s not staying a step ahead of it. And making this provided no advantage to human beings so it makes it a biological weapons treaty violation. This is playing God.

    Dr. Fleming: That was a lie.

    Interviewer: And that lie can be proven by publicly available documents?

    Dr. Fleming: Dr. Fauci denied under oath that they provided any Gain-Of-Function research despite the fact that we have a long track record of Gain-Of-Function research. In fact, that Gain-Of-Function research even occurred during the time that it was shut down during the Clinton administration due to concerns by scientists like myself that saw problems with infections getting out from Gain-Of-Function research. That money still got funnelled around primarily through Peter Daszak to whom it got funneled out to Ralph Baric and Shi Zhengli and other sources, and they’re even denying that they’re connected to each other, which just completely goes in the face that they have publications, published papers, with both of their names, Baric and Zhi Zhengli are on there. You can find publications that show NIH funding. This was not a well hidden secret. NIH have now come out since with a statement, admitting that they have provided Gain-Of-Function research.

    Interviewer: Part of this Gain-Of-Function was designed to make bat coronavirus spike proteins infectious to humans when they were not before?

    Dr. Fleming: It’s very clear from the research grants that was payed for by the United States from the published papers that Shi Zhengli and the others have published, by the patents that have been published, that they’ve specifically set out to increase and made possible the ability of these viruses to infect, particularly with the HKU4(Tylonycteris bat coronavirus HKU4), and the HIV pseudovirus glycoprotein-120 inserts that Shi Zhengli and the others were involved with, that they intentionally sought to make this more infectious and in fact accomplished it.

    Interviewer: Who were the main players in these genetic engineering experiments?

    Dr. Fleming: The primary ones behind this that we know of is Peter Daszak, Ecohealth, Ralph Baric, University of Carolina, Shi Zhengli, Wuhan Institute of Virology. But we know there’s been other individuals involved, we know that other universities were involved including here in Texas. I began querying federal funding sources of Ecohealth and Gain-Of-Function research. That allowed me to run down the grant numbers. What we have is the actual grant numbers, how much moneys there were, wether it came from the Department Of Defence, which payed for half of this.

    18m55 Interviewer: Did you discover any attempts to cover up the funding of this gain of function research?

    Dr. Fleming: Yes, there were a lot of attempts, but they were not very good as far as I’m concerned, including the Lancet letter where Daszak and so many others got together and published that this was obviously a naturally occurring virus, doing everything imaginable to skew the scientific medical literature to get people to not consider the possibility of it being a Gain-Of-Function lab-oriented bioweapon.

    • Thanks: Arthur MacBride
  282. Iris says:
    @chrimony

    But more importantly, the graph you show has a very high correlation, in the >90% range, for Bat CoV RaTG13. S

    Not only you are a profound retard who does not understand simple things plainly explained to them, but you are also lagging by about two years in very basic Covid-related information.

    As everybody with minimal knowledge of Covid facts knows, RaTG13 is the virus found only in bats, often used as starting point for phylogenetic tress but which has never yet caused any proven disease in humans. Therefore it would never have been used for medical GoF.

    Your comments are beyond retarded; don’t expect any further reply.

    • Replies: @chrimony
  283. geokat62 says:

    Ron Unz fearlessly identifies culprits in America Pravda series:

    Greatest killers in last one hundred years… Jews
    JFK assassination… Jews
    USS Liberty… Jews
    911… Jews
    Iraq invasion… Jews

    But when it comes to the most nefarious bioweapon program released on humanity to help usher in the most totalitarian system designed to enslave humanity… John Bolton/Mike Pompeo

    • Replies: @IreneAthena
    , @Anon
  284. IreneAthena says: • Website
    @geokat62

    Geokat62, I’m sure I’m not the only one over the last many moons who has noticed/appreciated your contributions to the argument that both the c19 virus & “anti-c19-virus” injections are bioweapons.

    At (the very) least, Ron Unz has provided a space for you to have your say. The fact that he’s softening up the population to the idea that c19 at least is a bioweapon? “that isn’t hay,” as the colloquialism goes.

    Now, for some encouraging news: What would the evidence you talk about look like if presented in a court of law? Here are some ideas:

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/05/no_author/dr-david-e-martin-gives-explosive-jaw-dropping-information-in-canadian-zoom-meeting/

    United ( or possibly not) on that legal front is Francis Boyle, who has written “Resisting Medical Tyranny: Why the Covid19 Mandates are Criminal.” Kevin Barrett’s interview with him was posted recently on Unz.

    And another group of people (independently of the first two I mentioned, or not) pursuing legal action is led by Reiner Fuellmich:
    https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/grand-jury-probes-blackrock-gates-anthony-fauci---part-i/article_ad38e212-98e9-11ec-9f81-6382277afd20.html

  285. chrimony says:
    @Iris

    Not only you are a profound retard who does not understand simple things plainly explained to them, but you are also lagging by about two years in very basic Covid-related information.

    Do you always talk to yourself in the mirror this way?

    As everybody with minimal knowledge of Covid facts knows, RaTG13 is the virus found only in bats, often used as starting point for phylogenetic tress but which has never yet caused any proven disease in humans. Therefore it would never have been used for medical GoF.

    The entire point of EcoHealth Alliance and their funding of the Wuhan lab was trying to find diseases with the potential to emerge. To do this, they took all kinds of bat viruses that hadn’t yet caused a problem in humans and performed GAIN-OF-FUNCTION research on them. Was this insanely dangerous and stupid research, with the potential to harm far outweighing potential benefits? YES. But these lunatics did it anyways.

    And that is why I get angry at Unz’s tilting at windmills. He gives cover to insanely dangerous research going on in the open, while pointing fingers at a shadowy group that never will be held to account for anything.

    • LOL: Iris
  286. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    So nobody really has any idea of how many Africans have died of Covid. One of the very few exceptions is South Africa,

    If they had dropped dead by the millions, as originally hypothesized, it’d be on the radar, Champ.

    Perhaps you should stick with your forte, Pretend Fizziks & Selling User Data [to your fellow travelers].

  287. hillaire says:

    Unz was wrong.. about more or less everything ‘Covid Psy-Op’.. and now he feels that the foxes should investigate the hen house murders.. (undoubtedly he hopes to find beneficial intellectual concurrence)..

    this all seems sensible and appropriate to Ron…especially when evident truths are discarded..but at least he’s consistent (even if consistently wrong)…

    One wonders what his view of the forthcoming smallpox/moneypox and polio reboots will be.. rhetorically of course..

    and whether he will continue to ‘take’ his ‘boosters’ for what Bill Gates nowadays refers to as ‘ a mild flu like illness that mainly affects the old and infirm’.. (the common cold)..

    or whether injecting toddlers with untested genetic witches brews is necessary to protect them from the ‘Bo-Weapon’…

  288. Iris says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    Dear Arthur;
    It is lovely reading you, as ever. Comments from you and my other favourite commenters are like a tiny but shining golden thread of Truth that helps navigate one’s mental process through this ocean of lies were are drowned into.

    I guess each one of us has different persuasions, but yours I feel the closest to, because you principally carry strong pacifist ethics and messages.

    The UR is a broad chapel: each author and (genuine) commenter have their own main intellectual driver. Mr Unz and Giraldi want to fix the US government for the American people before it is too late, Mr Linh Din to speak the Truth as poetry, as prophets would do. Most readers are legitimately incensed by the multiform and creeping attacks on human liberty that Covid has allowed.

    As for me, I want to understand the economic and geopolitical motives underlying the major Covid provocation. Was it really a one-off, poorly-thought, false flag against China? Or is it part of a new geopolitical framework, reverting on Globalisation, splitting the world in two? Are the sanctions on Russia, and soon on its “friendly countries” not a continuation of the Covid de-coupling plan? What can one make of the Davos crowd’s plans of culling this part of humankind deemed useless to its interests? :

    “I think the biggest question in maybe in economics and politics of the coming decades will be what to do with all these useless people? The problem is more boredom and how what to do with them and how will they find some sense of meaning in life, when they are basically meaningless, worthless? My best guess, at present is a combination of drugs and computer games as a solution for [most]. It’s already happening…I think once you’re superfluous, you don’t have power.”

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/06/21/yuval-harari-unipolar-dystopia-vs-greater-eurasian-partnership-two-technological-paradigms-clash/

    A year back, Mr Unz’ Covid origins thesis was mentioned by France’s Olivier Berruyer on RT France, but apparently only to label it a “conspiracy theory”.
    https://www.les-crises.fr/interdit-d-interdire-origine-du-covid-complotisme-ou-pas-avec-olivier-berruyer/

    Mr Berruyer manages alternative website “Les Crises“, and did an excellent information job on the 2014 Ukraine coup.
    A few years later however, he lost any shred of credibility when he decided to nervously and angrily “debunk” the 9/11 Truth movement. It became very obvious over time that Mr Berruyer is indirectly or directly mentored by Noam Chomsky.
    Isn’t interesting that Noam Chomsky and his disciples get involved in denying Ron Unz’ thesis of Covid US origins in far away France? What do the recent acknowledgement of 46 American bio-labs in the Ukraine represent to the credibility of these people? Why such international coordination to keep the lid on Covid and 9/11 secrets, orchestrated by the same people?

    Every one pursues their own, different intellectual and existential quest. The UR webzine, by its content and its management, has furthered and fostered the coming into being of astonishing political truths that matter to human beings far beyond the borders of the USA.
    With warmest regards, dear friend.

  289. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Iris

    Look dear, I have no interest in commenters like you.
    There are a number of you on this forum, who seem to be obsessed with antagonising R. Unz and toppling down his “image” every time they disagree with him, as if you were some jilted idolatresses whose cult master is not paying enough attention to.

    Spoken like an aging broad with zero SMV whose husband tuned her out long ago – hence, your parasitic attachment to Ron’s every word.

    Your comment is appalling: I came across many cats that show more class and grace than you do.

    Spoken like an expert – I’ll lay odds you own a score of indoor cats . . . many feral, only half of them litter trained.

  290. @Iris

    Thank you, dear Iris for your kind as well as knowledgeable input which is an inspiration to many on UR, including those who do not and never will comment, as I believe. Others also like Geokat who provide a life positive example in contrast to the merchants of death and their snivelling worthless agents like the cheap insult one below your last comment.

    Chomsky imho is a false teacher (a useful category containing many so called intellectual so called experts) and is probably something a lot worse than just misguided. Like others I was obliged to plough through his language formation drivel and similar while an undergraduate… appalling unprovable junk which my Marxist profs thought as being ground breaking enlightenment. Many others like him.

    But now the mask is off and we see the murderous pervert satanists for what they are, them and their lackeys in government and media. We know them by the hellish chaos that they have and continue to produce across the world. One of our true teachers, the Lord Jesus, told us that we would know the children of satan by this. And we do.

    So now dear Iris we live in great and momentous times because the spawn of hell are not only being exposed but also are being herded into cauldrons prior to their destruction. See the equivalent In Donbass. Their servitors have the opportunity to change themselves and their misguided loyalty before it is too late.

    • Thanks: Iris, geokat62
  291. @Realist

    If you pay any attention at all to the CDC you haven’t been paying attention to what’s going on.

    EVERYTHING about Covid 19 is a fraud and a fiction.

    Watch this film and leave a comment.



    Video Link

    • Replies: @Realist
  292. @chrimony

    Why do you racist Sinophobes have no interest in Baric of the UNC and AMRIID at Fort Detrick, and the secret research in the hundreds of US bio-warfare labs worldwide. Because you’re a dissembling racist hypocrite, looking for a casus belli for war on China. This is why the USA has blocked the inspection process of the Bio-weapons Treaty for twenty years.

    • Replies: @chrimony
  293. chrimony says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Why do you racist Sinophobes

    It’s so cute that you think the word “racist” holds any power anymore, especially on a site like Unz.

    have no interest in Baric of the UNC and AMRIID at Fort Detrick

    On the contrary, I am opposed to all insanely dangerous bioresearch, no matter where it is conducted or by who, and I already called out Western actors, including the US:

    “Was the US partly to blame? Yes, they helped fund the research and were the progenitors of this type of research before outsourcing it to China. And let’s not forget the British snake Peter Daszak over at EchoHealth Alliance.”

    Unlike you, I’m not a propagandist defending one side and attacking another. Evil and outright stupidity doesn’t respect national borders.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  294. Realist says:
    @Ralph B. Seymour

    Space Busters…sounds very scientific. It is hard to believe anyone would take this video seriously let alone waste two and half hours watching it.

    There is no attribution for these silly ideas. Who produced this video? Who is the childish narrator? Only someone devoid of scientific knowledge would place any veracity in this video.

  295. You obviously didn’t watch it.

  296. @chrimony

    Yes you are-you’re a racist Sinophobe trying to pin a US bio-warfare attack on China as China’s fault. A very nassty pos.

  297. @Iris

    I probably should @ Mr. Unz this particular item but you might be interested in seeing it first particularly since one of the fellows who is co-author is author of epidemiology medical school text book.

    Although biased I nevertheless am going out on a limb here and say that he has joined me and all other informed persons in the growing party of anti vax kooks!

    1. https://www.unz.com/news/
    2. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4125239
    3. https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/06/links-6-25-2022.html#comment-3744546

    GOOD DAY

    • Thanks: Iris
  298. Alfred says:
    @Punch Brother Punch

    If 222 million Americans were to drop dead, you would be living in a nightmarish, apocalyptical scenario beyond your wildest imaginings.

    I agree.

    Here are the numbers for Nova Scotia, Canada.

    Do you know how to understand a graph? Or read a table of numbers?

    Canada: FOI Shows More Covid Injections Cause More Hospitalisations and More Deaths

  299. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @geokat62

    Ron Unz fearlessly identifies culprits in America Pravda series:

    Greatest killers in last one hundred years… Jews
    JFK assassination… Jews
    USS Liberty… Jews
    911… Jews
    Iraq invasion… Jews

    But when it comes to the most nefarious bioweapon program released on humanity to help usher in the most totalitarian system designed to enslave humanity… John Bolton/Mike Pompeo

    You forgot Ron’s succinct (Word Count: 89,362) and rather lovely musings on Holocaustianity & Duh ‘Moon’ Landing, prior to going full Chomsky on CoVaxx, and attacking legitimate questioning of the fallacious bullshit passing itself off as reasoned science on the public airwaves the past 2+ years.

    Imagine transforming yourself from fearless maverick anal-intellect, into cartoon character in a matter of mere months. The only alchemical ingredient combination I’m aware of accomplishing such a feat is cash, ingroup bias, paranoia & irrational fear of one’s mortality.

    Hey, Ron, what’s your booster count? (assuming you took the ClotShot to begin with)

  300. Since there has been nothing going on with this comment line for some time now, I’ve decided to stir the pot.

    I agree with Ron Unz that it is likely that the U.S. in general, and the FDA/CDC/NiH in particular, played a part in the outbreak of SARS-COV2 in Wuhan.

    I disagree, however, with the hypothesis that it was deliberately caused by neo-con ‘agents’ of former president Trump, and Bolton in particular. It is evident that for the most part, the scientists and bureaucrats in charge of NiH/CDC/FDA elaborately both hated and despised T, with all his works, and all his pomps. Had T or any of his minions used any of the bio-tech to cause the pandemic, those scientists and bureaucrats would have made a leak which would make a Noah’s Flood in comparison with Vindmann’s trickle of information regarding Ukraine. And judging from the sentiments of both Senate and Congress at the time, such a leak would have resulted not only in T’s impeachment, but his execution for being party to mass murder and crimes against humanity.

    [MORE]

    I am uninterested in arguing with Mr. Unz on this one, because it would seem that he is ignoring the evidence provided by both DRASTIC and Judicial Watch. My attitude is that disagreeing with their conclusions is one thing; simply ignoring the evidence which they provide is quite another. I am only interested in providing the following information for those willing to consider it.

    What *I* believe, on the basis of the available evidence, is that NiH and CDC cooperated with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, to conduct gain-of-function studies on various coronaviruses. The strong possibility also exists that a nearby PLA lab in Wuhan, which had been implicated in bioweapons research since the 1980s, had also been conducting research which originated in the WIV. Finally there was a third biolab, dedicated to providing experimental animals and disposing of biohazard waste for the other two labs, which could have been a vector for the disease. The subsequent actions (or inactions) of FDA, CDC, and NiH are better understood if they are seen as attempts to conceal the part which those agencies had played in the origins of the pandemic.

    In any event, my reasoning, the evidence supporting it, and my conclusions are as follows:

    One invaluable resource I have found has been http://www.drasticresearch.org, an independent open source intelligence group, which has been collecting the available data and information. I recommend that those interested look at its contents. I would also recommend looking at the FOIA requests of Judicial Watch and other watchdog associations.

    For my part, I believe that DRASTIC and Judicial Watch have provided convincing evidence of the following:

    a) That there were in fact three biolabs dealing with viral research in Wuhan: i) The Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), which engaged in the collection and research of bat and other coronaviruses; ii) a PLA (Peoples’ Liberation Army) biolab, which had been implicated since the 1980s in the development of bio-weapons; and iii) a lab dedicated to providing both WIV and PLA labs with experimental animals, and facilities for disposal of biohazard waste. All three of these labs had histories of the potential for lab leaks;

    b) Since at least 2014, at least the WIV had been working in association with the U.S. National Institute of Health, or NiH (under Dr. Fauci) and the CDC. During that time, both NiH and CDC funded coronavirus research at the WIV, together with a number of U.S. NGOs;

    c) While the WHO and the PRC jointly announced a pandemic of SARS-COV2 in mid-January of 2020, there is substantial genetic, epidemiological, and circumstantial evidence indicating that the initial outbreak took place in Wuhan sometime between August and October of 2019 (see DRASTIC’s “The October Surprise”);

    d) In mid- to late September of 2019, the NiH, at the request of the WIV, took off-line a large set of libraries of genomes and virions of coronaviruses and other organisms, which had been collected and processed by the WIV. Those libraries remain offline, and thus, remain unavailable to independent researchers;

    e) In October of 2019, the Center for Health Security, in association with Johns Hopkins, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the CDC under Dr. Anthony Fauci, and the NiH, hosted their ‘Event 201’, in which they conducted a ‘wargaming’ simulation of a lethal worldwide pandemic. While much of their resulting advice would appear to be reasonable (and which, alas, was mostly not followed by ‘the usual suspects’), one recommendation was that media organizations and U.S. health agencies work together to prevent the spread of ‘misinformation’ (and curiously, their website, http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org , appears to be ‘down’, or at least, unavailable to me); and

    f) Soon after the PRC and the WHO jointly announced the pandemic, in mid-January of 2020, Dr. Fauci, in association with the CDC, and a number of virologists, had a number of telephone conferences. While the subject and content of those conferences remain unknown, e-mails which the participants wrote (and which were made available by FOIA requests from Judicial Watch) indicate that the subject of those discussions was to coordinate a response in which a hypothesis of a zoonotic, or natural, transmission of SARS-COV2 was to be promoted, and a ‘lab-leak’ hypothesis was to be deprecated.

    In consequence, I believe that there is substantial circumstantial evidence to indicate the following:

    1) That sometime in August or September (and certainly no later than mid-September) of 2019, a lab leak had occurred in Wuhan;

    2) That the probabilities are 0.5 in both cases that its source was either a virus which had undergone ‘gain-of-function’ processing at WIV, or had been deliberately weaponized by the PLA biolab;

    3) That most likely the WIV discovered the outbreak, informed NiH of its possibility, and that both NiH and agreed to remove their virion and genome libraries from online access in mid to late September of 2019;

    4) That regardless of whether the virus was the result of GoF or bioweapons research, its release had been accidental. If it had been deliberate and premeditated, those libraries would not have been made available in the first place;

    5) It is at this point uncertain as to which parties had knowledge of the Fall 2019 outbreak, and which were ‘useful idiots’, but it is likely that at least NiH/CDC had that knowledge, and that ‘Event 201’ had been organized, at least in part, to organize a response which would effectively censor ‘misinformation’;

    6) In any event, it is likely that at least both the WIV and the NiH had taken a ‘wait-and-see’ attitude, to determine what form the outbreak would take: either a ‘fizzle’, or a pandemic.

    7) It is highly likely, however, that in light first of the ‘Event 201’ plans for censorship of ‘misinformation’, and next of the mid January 2020 efforts of Fauci and the NiH to advance the ‘zoonotic’ and to deprecate the ‘lab-leak’ hypotheses, that they had advance knowledge of the outbreak, and had organized a policy of misdirection and concealment of that outbreak, and the part that they had quite likely played in its origin.

    In consequence of all this, the subsequent ‘mistakes’ of local health agencies, the FDA, the CDC, and the NiH, must be seen in a far more sinister light than that of accident or happenstance. Those ‘mistakes’ would include the following:

    • The failure of the CDC and state and local health agencies to engage and coordinate in testing and contact tracing at the start of the pandemic;

    • The refusal of the FDA to permit use either of the WHO tests for SARS-COV2, or to allow emergency development of tests by anyone other than the CDC;

    • The ridiculously botched job which the CDC did of developing and promulgating antibody and other tests for SARS-COV2, thus delaying effective testing for the crucial months at the beginning of the U.S. tranch of that pandemic;

    • The censorship by social and other media of that minority of scientists and others who attempted to present accurate information regarding the pandemic; and

    • The promulgation of wildly inaccurate and frequently contradictory ‘information’ by the FDA, CDC, NiH, and the pharma companies that appear to have bought them, and supported by the media they all had rode in on.

    Have a nice day.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  301. anastasia says:

    If true, doesn’t it mean it was an aerosolized “virus”? How else would a country spread a biological weapon?

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  302. Sparkon says:
    @anastasia

    Your questions are related to those questions I’ve been asking about Ron’s theory. Ron Unz seems to think bad actors used “tiny” devices to spread the virus in Wuhan China during military games there in 2019, after which they simply washed their hands and walked away.

    From what I’ve read, SARS-CoV-2 fomites are thought to be viable for only a few hours or perhaps a day or two under ideal conditions.

    Fomites are inanimate objects or surfaces capable of spreading an infectious disease, so any gadget or germ gun capable of spreading COVID-19 is by definition a fomite.

    My question is, how do you keep the virions in the cleverly designed germ gun viable until the bad actor can deploy them?

    It’d be even trickier, I’d think, to keep any kind of aerosolized virions viable for any length of time, especially in a “tiny container,” to say little of safely deploying an aerosolized virus without infecting oneself in the most classic manifestation of blowback.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Iris
  303. @Bernard Brandt

    DRASTIC is an Imperial disinfo operation, rather like Bellingcrap.Of course they blame China.

  304. Ron Unz says:
    @Sparkon

    My question is, how do you keep the virions in the cleverly designed germ gun viable until the bad actor can deploy them?

    It’d be even trickier, I’d think, to keep any kind of aerosolized virions viable for any length of time, especially in a “tiny container,” to say little of safely deploying an aerosolized virus without infecting oneself in the most classic manifestation of blowback.

    These are just minor technical details. By some estimates, America has expended over \$100 billion on its biowarfare programs over the last three generations, and presumably at least some of that money was spent on developing effective dispersion devices. There seems quite a lot of evidence that we actually used biowarfare during the Korean War and also targeting food sources in Cuba, East Germany, and various other countries we didn’t like during the Cold War. The Russians claim to have evidence that we were developing anti-Russian biowarfare systems in those Ukrainian labs.

    Remember, in the case of Covid, we’re talking about a highly-contagious but low-lethality virus, almost totally harmless to the (youthful, fit) agents tasked with releasing it. Doing so hardly seems the most difficult thing in the world.

  305. @Alfred

    Or more COVID injections are correlated with (rather than causative of) more hospitalizations and deaths because people who get 3+ doses are more likely to be elderly and/or immunocompromised.

    I’m skeptical of your source. The article you linked to is credited to “Rhoda Wilson,” but the ‘about the author’ section gives a bio for one “Dr. Jessica Rose.”

    Expose-News or The Daily Expose appears to be run by a welder from Lincolnshire, England:

    https://www.logically.ai/articles/actors-behind-uk-misinformation-site-the-daily-expose

    The contributors are anonymous or voluntary and there’s no way to know if any of them have medical or scientific expertise.

    Also, if this data is from Nova Scotia why was it obtained with the Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA), an American law? Canada has something called the Access To Information Act (ATIA).

    • Replies: @W
  306. Stephane says:
    @Alfred

    As @Punch Brother Punch said,

    More COVID injections are correlated with (rather than causative of) more hospitalizations and deaths because people who get 3+ doses are more likely to be elderly and/or immunocompromised.

    The graphs show the number of cases broken down by vaccinal status, but is completely silent about the groups size, meaning the information is nearly useless because we cannot determine the case rate in each of the groups.

    If you have three times the number of cases in a population 20 times larger, this translate into a case rate approximatively 7 times lower.

    I have the feeling the author of the article you linked deliberately asked for the raw numbers, to better sell his (somewhat misleading) narrative with a veener of official numbers.

  307. W says:
    @KenH

    But it’s still a mystery how the virus made it to a place in Iran with a lot of top Iranian government officials and where few if any Chinese travel to.

    We don’t know how those Iranian officials died, we just know we were told. Considering the 99.9% survival rate and the average age of death being 80 it is highly unlikely that they died of covid1984.

  308. W says:
    @Punch Brother Punch

    Unfortunately it looks like we have to take the claims of logically.ai at face value. Here’s why a truther shouldn’t:

    The Daily Expose is a U.K.-focused conspiracy site created in November of last year, and since its establishment, it has promoted a standard portfolio of COVID-denialist, anti-vaxxer, and Great Reset myths framed as breaking news. It has grown to be extremely influential in the alt-news ecosystem, with its articles getting thousands of shares per day on Telegram, Twitter, and other private chat channels. Although the website is less than a year old, it has grown by more than 300,000 page views per month since January, with the last data available suggesting it had more than 1.5 million total cumulative views.

    Sources that engage in this boilerplate psudeoskeptic drivel are never to be trusted by non sheep.

    They are always liars and always disingenuous as anyone who supports the Ingsoc Narrative must be.

    More drivel

    The writers and contributors don’t request interviews with scientists, government officials, or other qualified experts to make sure they’re interpreting these documents correctly.

    The balls on you people, to this day you demonize or ignore qualified experts that contradict the Ingsoc Narrative and you have the audacity to to criticize a news site because the don’t request interviews from parrots of the IN.

  309. Iris says:
    @Sparkon

    My question is, how do you keep the virions in the cleverly designed germ gun viable until the bad actor can deploy them?

    But who mentioned any random survival mode being relied upon for a biological attack?

    There was no need to rely on live carriers, let alone on fomites. Everybody knows the difference between in vivo and in vitro. In the later case, the considered organism does not depend on a surface or on a contaminated being, but is multiplicated in a controlled growth medium, which is the optimised way of survival and proliferation anyway.

    Surely, you’ve heard of Petri dishes and Vero cells, how tiny they are and how easy it would have been to transport dozens of them to Wuhan, allowing the virus to survive and thrive for many, many days?

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32553545/#&gid=article-figures&pid=figure-1-uid-0

    Once the viral strains “safely” arrived to Wuhan in vitro, it would have been easy to dilute them in aerosol solutions, and spread them over, using mini drones fitted with pumps for instance. The US Robobee, with only 3cm wingspan and 1 gram weight would be an ideal candidate.
    Would you, in the dark, be able to spot it or even distinguish from a real insect?

    A possible scenario is that mini-drones were flown, most likely by night inside the Wuhan food market to give the pandemic a chance to take off and the “WIV lab leak” story a credibility. The people flying the equipment would have been outside and away, “innocently” typing on their phones or tablets to pilot the drones, without even being exposed. The daytime human concentration in the market would have suffice to initiate the catastrophe.

    Not even mentioning the persistent rumour that among the first Covid patients were hotel workers from where some American military were staying, and that a number of these military were taken to hospital with alleged “malaria”.

    The thing is, the more time passes without any scientific finding, the farther apart we drift to finding a natural source for SARS-CoV-2, and the more likely its engineered origin becomes.

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  310. @Stephane

    Yes. Amusingly, this can almost be inferred from just looking at the graph itself as, on the face of it, it appears visually anomalous. In each entry along the x-axis, the first category (0 doses) is higher in number of cases than the second (1 dose). It then goes up significantly for the third (2 doses) and again for the fourth categories (3+).

    Is the graph suggesting that one dose is the goldilocks number for preventing infection?

    It makes sense when you take into account the fact that significantly fewer people got one dose and then stopped than got no dose at all. And way, way more people got 2 or more doses than either of the first two categories.

  311. Sparkon says:
    @Iris

    Surely, you’ve heard of Petri dishes and Vero cells, how tiny they are and how easy it would have been to transport dozens of them to Wuhan, allowing the virus to survive and thrive for many, many days?

    Sure, under controlled conditions, Petri dishes and culture flasks are used in the lab to grow cell or viral cultures.

    Petri dishes are widely used in biology to cultivate microorganisms such as bacteria, yeasts, and molds. It is most suited for organisms that thrive on a solid or semisolid surface.

    But SARS-CoV-2 is primarily an airborne pathogen that needs to find the lungs of a live host to maintain viability. Like all viruses, coronaviruses may be difficult to grow in the lab because they need a living host to reproduce, and so this line of Green Monkey kidney-based Vero cells is used to cultivate SARS-CoV-2 in the lab.

    For long term storage, Vero cells are kept either in liquid nitrogen or at -80°C. This protocol describes how to start growing Vero cells obtained from frozen stock. After recovery from frozen stock, Vero cells usually take 2-3 passages to reach their regular growth rate, and this should be taken into account if planning to use the cells for experiments, infections, etc. It is important to note that Vero cells are anchorage-dependent cells and therefore cannot be grown in suspension.
    […]
    NOTE: All cell culture incubations are performed in a humidified 37°C incubator with 5% CO₂

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2657228/

    [my bold]

    The problem with tiny containers is that the growth medium soon dries out.

    Both viruses had an exponential decay in virus titer across all experimental conditions…The half-lives of SARS-CoV-2 and SARS-CoV-1 were similar in aerosols, with median estimates of approximately 1.1 to 1.2 hours…The half-lives of the two viruses were also similar on copper. On cardboard, the half-life of SARS-CoV-2 was longer than that of SARS-CoV-1. The longest viability of both viruses was on stainless steel and plastic; the estimated median half-life of SARS-CoV-2 was approximately 5.6 hours on stainless steel and 6.8 hours on plastic…

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973

    I see no engine or power supply for that winged gadget. let alone pumps. Maybe there’s a rubber band in there somewhere…

    The Russians found a vape pipe and hash oil in the luggage of an American basketball player, so I doubt the Chinese would have failed to notice an incubator with Petri dishes in the luggage of any bad actors arriving for the Wuhan games.

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  312. Ron Unz says:
    @Sparkon

    But SARS-CoV-2 is primarily an airborne pathogen that needs to find the lungs of a live host to maintain viability. Like all viruses, coronaviruses may be difficult to grow in the lab…The problem with tiny containers is that the growth medium soon dries out.

    You’re making ridiculous arguments. As far as I know, you don’t have any biowarfare expertise. The American government has spent over 70 years and many tens of billions of dollars on its biowarfare programs. Based upon that enormous effort, I think it extremely likely that they’ve developed some effective dispersion devices for viral agents. I’d think that something like an asthma inhaler would work fine, but since I’m not a biowarfare professional, that’s just a guess.

    The Russians found a vape pipe and hash oil in the luggage of an American basketball player, so I doubt the Chinese would have failed to notice an incubator with Petri dishes in the luggage of any bad actors arriving for the Wuhan games.

    More absurdities. I’d assume that the Russians had long-suspected that top American basketball star was a drug-user, and because of the international confrontation with America they decided to finally check her luggage and arrest her in order to put pressure on our country. This was obviously in retaliation for all the properties and yachts the West had seized from Russian oligarchs, plus the confiscation of \$300 billion from Russia’s central bank.

    In very sharp contrast, there were over 9,000 foreign military servicemen going to Wuhan for the military games, and rifling all of their luggage without any reasons for suspicion probably would have provoked numerous international incidents and damaged China’s reputation. That’s exactly why it was such a perfect opportunity for America to slip a couple of operatives into the group and have them release the virus.

  313. @Stephane

    How much does Pfizer pay these days?

  314. Iris says:

    Covid-19 may have originated in US biolab

    Lancet commission chair Jeffrey Sachs, who chairs Covid-19 commission at the prestigious medical journal, has claimed the deadly virus did not come out of nature

    https://www.rt.com/news/558191-economist-says-covid-escaped-us-lab/

    J. Sachs has publicly reiterated the claims of engineered origin of SARS-CoV-2 during a speech he gave at a conference hosted by the GATE Centre think tank, in Spain, in mid-June.

    It is interesting that RT is echoing these claims. I can’t wait to read what they have to say about 9/11, about which they will certainly start to talk freely in a couple of years.

  315. Stephane says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    How much does Pfizer pay these days?

    How would I know, I’m way beneath their notice.

    The article linked by the original commenter is deeply flawed because it lacks critical informations to evaluate if it’s conclusions are right or not : the population size of each vaccinal category.

    I will draw a parallel with seat belts statistics from the NHTSA (link provided, https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/occupant-protection/seat-belts/).

    In 2017 53.2% of the fatalities in car crashes were using their seatbelts, vs 46.8 NOT using them.

    If I did what the article did, I could stop here and claim that actually wearing the belt is at best ineffective – and even possibly a bit dangerous.

    But there is an extra information to consider : seatbelt use was 89% that year, which means that in a group nearly TEN TIMES SMALLER, there was nearly the same amount of death, and this paints a rather different picture.

  316. Seems Ron Unz blocked replies to his previous column where I left scientific musings on the notable Covid mortality in Slav-heavy populations in Europe??

    (Does this have anything to do with the 30+ bioweapons labs seized by Russians in Ukraine? “There are no coincidences”, often attributed to Sigmund Freud, probably paraphrased.)

    Seems other (Russian) scientists have noted a genetic connection to the increased mortality in Eastern Europe (Slavic countries):

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8575442/

    “Results
    The cartographic analysis revealed that rs11385942 distribution follows the West Eurasian pattern: the marker is frequent among the populations of Europe, West Asia and South Asia but rare or absent in all other parts of the globe. Notably, the transition from high to low rs11385942 frequencies across Eurasia is not abrupt but follows the clinal variation pattern instead. The distribution of rs657152 is more homogeneous. The analysis of correlations between the frequencies of the studied markers and the epidemiological characteristics of COVID-19 in a population revealed that higher frequencies of both risk alleles correlated positively with mortality from this disease. For rs657152, the correlation was especially strong (r = 0.59, p = 0.02). These reasonable correlations were observed for the “Russian” dataset only: no such correlations were established for the “world” dataset. This could be attributed to the differences in methodology used to collect COVID-19 statistics in different countries.”

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