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I came of age during the late Cold War Era, and while the possibility of nuclear war was regarded as horrifying, it was hardly unthinkable, being the subject of countless films and stories and with the rival U.S. and Soviet arsenals regularly compared in newspapers and magazines.

However, biological warfare did indeed seem unthinkable. Back in 1969, President Richard Nixon had ordered the destruction of our entire biowarfare arsenal and soon signed an international treaty with his Soviet counterparts to outlaw those horrifying weapons. The release of deadly, self-replicating biological organisms that respected no national borders obviously raised uniquely dangerous risks, and I easily understood why such weapons could never possibly be used in combat, especially by our own government.

Preconceived notions sometimes crack and crumble a bit before they finally collapse. For years I’d begun to see claims about the past use of biological weapons floating around the Internet, but the collapse only began in early January when I read a remarkable 12,000 word cover story in New York magazine. The author was Nicholson Baker, a prominent writer and liberal public intellectual, and he made a detailed and rather persuasive case that instead of being natural, the Covid virus devastating our country and the rest of the world was artificial, the product of some lab. As an intelligent layman rather than a scientist Baker’s expertise on the topic came from the many years of research that he had undertaken for Baseless, his 2020 book documenting America’s own extensive biological warfare program.

Nearly all of Baker’s very long article concerned the Covid issue, but a few facts from that book were mentioned here and there, and these greatly surprised me. Apparently during the 1950s our biowarfare program had been assigned a priority and importance comparable to that of nuclear weapons development, and the project had also resulted in numerous accidents, many of them fatal, which was hardly something I’d ever seen mentioned in my introductory textbooks. So the actual history of the topic was apparently far more complex than I’d realized.

At the time, my focus was entirely on Covid matters and my analysis that our disastrous global epidemic was probably the result of an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran). But after producing a long series of articles on that topic, I decided to take a closer look at the history of American biowarfare programs, with Baker’s own book being a natural starting point.

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Baker opened his volume by explaining that in 2009 he had begun to wonder about certain disputed events from the Korean War, a conflict that ended in 1953, years before he was even born. At the time, the Communist world had loudly accused the Americans of engaging in illegal “germ warfare” and the Americans had hotly denied those charges. Although never fully resolved during the decades that followed, most mainstream historians seemed to have come down on the American side, but Baker wondered who had really been telling the truth.

His initial exploration of books and articles led him to available government documents, including those found at a couple of presidential libraries and the National Archives, and he also interviewed some of the knowledgeable individuals and researchers. But none of the material he found seemed conclusive, so in 2012 he began using the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) in hopes of obtaining some restricted documents that might finally resolve the matter.

He continued filing such FOIA requests for seven more years, and the nature of that landmark 1966 law, now seemingly honored as much in the breach as the observance, is a central theme of his book, almost as important as the particular historical question that originally prompted his effort, leading him to subtitle his volume “My Search for Secrets in the Ruins of the Freedom of Information Act.” Such criticism seems warranted given that the original statute required that agencies should respond with their documents within twenty working days, and if another agency needed to be consulted, they should do so “with all practicable speed.” But in reality, years of delay are not uncommon, with one outstanding FOIA request now more than a quarter-century old. Furthermore, such documents when finally released are sometimes rendered almost unintelligible by the whited-out redactions of words, sentences, paragraphs, or multiple pages.

The alleged legal justification for holding back or heavily mutilating such documents is that their release would endanger our current national security, but we must ask ourselves how plausible this really seems. The events of interest to Baker took place during a war that ended almost seventy years ago, fought against a global Communist coalition that no longer exists, and it hardly seems likely that any of the operational plans or technologies from that era would have much relevance today, while surely even the grandchildren of the individuals mentioned are now quite elderly if they are even still alive.

After the fall of the USSR, the old Soviet archives were generally thrown open to the world, allowing Western historians to discover many important facts and resolve various longstanding controversies such as the Katyn Forest Massacre, but over the last couple of decades they have mostly been closed back up again. Can anyone seriously argue that keeping secret the minutes of Stalin’s old Politburo meetings is vital for protecting current Russian national security rather than merely preventing Russian national embarrassment? And the same must surely be true with regard to almost all our own secret documents from the early 1950s.

At one point in his quest, Baker described sitting in a reading room of the National Archives building knowing that just on the other side of a thin wall were the 21 unavailable documents that would conclusively resolve his long investigation one way or the other. Instead, he was forced to make do with what he had been able to obtain, massive redactions and all.

By 2019 Baker had spent more than a decade on his project, punctuated by writing several unrelated but successful books and novels, and having reached his mid-sixties, he felt sure that the patient government bureaucrats would successfully outlast him. He had accumulated thousands of pages of notes and many boxes of reports and other materials, as well as a great deal of important personal knowledge that would not survive him, so he finally decided to write a book telling others what he had learned and allowing them to use the information for themselves.

Lacking access to the documents he had spent so many years fruitlessly seeking, he abandoned any effort to produce a polished chronological narrative. The author is best known as a novelist, so rather than writing in a dryly academic style, he instead chose to produce several months’ worth of long diary-style entries, mostly discussing and analyzing the contents and implications of the various documents he had uncovered, but leavening his account by including brief descriptions of his personal life and activities. Although his style was unassuming and informal, the main text itself, running less than 150,000 words, was backed by more than fifty pages of detailed source notes. The credibility of his material is indicated by the glowing cover-blurbs from noted writers who had covered related subjects.

 

Given that the crucial secret documents still remain secret, Baker’s analysis is necessarily based upon circumstantial evidence, including the unredacted portions of those documents that had been released, and he fully admits this difficulty, providing all his facts and conclusions in plain sight and drawing likelihoods and plausible inferences rather than expounding certitudes. Overall, I found him a very judicious analyst, and believe he made a strong even overwhelming case that America did indeed engage in biological warfare during the early stages of the Korean conflict, much as our Communist adversaries had charged at the time. The separate elements of this historical puzzle fit together to produce a reasonably persuasive whole.

First, over the decades it has been thoroughly documented that America did have a very substantial biowarfare program based at Ft. Detrick, originally established during World War II and then continuing into the postwar era, heavily augmented by the absorption of Japan’s own very extensive biowarfare resources after the close of hostilities. The Japanese had developed the feather as an ideal means of widely disseminating all sorts of deadly biological agents from the air, and our own military researchers soon built and tested a variety of “feather bombs” for that purpose, generally using the same physical containers that had been developed to distribute propaganda leaflets from planes.

In late 1950 American forces suffered a series of disastrous defeats in Korea at the hands of Chinese troops, and the report from a Pentagon committee in early December emphasized the importance of accelerating the development of bioweapons such as Q Fever, plague, and anthrax together with the necessary delivery mechanisms for covert use, while especially praising the CIA for its effectiveness in that regard. This secret report was eventually declassified by a FOIA request in 1996.

Around the same time that report was being written, a British sergeant retreating through a deserted North Korean village before advancing Chinese troops observed American military personnel, masked and gloved, carefully removing large quantities of feathers from special containers and flinging them into the empty houses before he was warned away by American MPs. He later stated that he had obviously witnessed “a clandestine operation” of some sort and mentioned that a few days afterward he was required to take an unspecified vaccine. This curious vignette appears in Unit 731, a 1989 historical account of Japan’s biowarfare program written by two BBC journalists, but oddly enough the incident was removed from the American edition of that same book.

Months later, the North Korean foreign minister issued a formal complaint to the United Nations that America had used illegal biological warfare, attacking his own troops and those of China with smallpox. These mysterious outbreaks had occurred a few months earlier, but only in areas recently occupied by retreating American forces. The accusations briefly appeared in the Western media, but were ridiculed and hotly denied by American government spokesmen.

Around the same time that Communist troops were sickening and dying, around two hundred American soldiers in the same theater had also been suddenly stricken by a mysterious outbreak of Songo fever, never before seen in Korea but with symptoms quite similar to smallpox and a specialty of America’s Japanese biowarfare mentors. Strict censorship prevented these stories from reaching the American media until many months later, at which point our government claimed that the illnesses had been spread by Chinese troops. But the disease seemed entirely absent from the hundreds of miles of Korean territory the enemy forces had traversed, and only appeared in a narrow belt along the front lines, with our stricken servicemen believing that they seemed to be spread by infected field mice or voles. Voles had long been regarded by American researchers as an excellent vector for their bioweapons, and when interviewed years later for a history of the Korean War, one of the leaders of our local CIA efforts explained that his covert operations had created a defensive belt along the front lines.

The diarist format used by Baker scatters these closely-connected facts across nearly 200 pages. So although I think any reader of Baker’s entire book will find his thesis quite convincing, any few pages read in isolation provide only a small portion of the crucial story, lacking the necessary juxtaposition to make the strongest case.

Although this round of events in 1951 and the accompanying Communist accusations received some world media coverage, a far greater volume of controversy came the following year, when Communist media organs issued widespread charges that America had begun a much larger round of biowarfare, claiming that American planes were dropping all sorts of diseased insects and voles in Korea and even parts of nearby China, once again trying to unleash an epidemic. Sensing the opportunity for a major propaganda coup, the Chinese organized an independent international fact-finding commission to investigate their accusations and interview local witnesses, managing to enlist as its head Dr. Joseph Needham, one of Britain’s most celebrated scientists and China experts, and the 665 page report eventually published claimed to have confirmed the Chinese case. An especially important element were the public confessions of numerous captured American pilots who admitted that they had taken part in such illegal germ warfare attacks.

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However, these new accusations were once again blasted as a hoax by the much more powerful Western media, and after repatriation, the captured Americans claimed their statements had been coerced. Many later historians have come to the same conclusion, especially after 1998 when previously secret documents of the Soviet KGB archives revealed that they had created fake areas of disease exposure for propaganda purposes. As an example of this historical consensus, The Man Who Loved China, Simon Winchester’s widely-praised 2008 biography of Needham, devoted almost 20 pages to this episode, which nearly wrecked his subject’s career, and he firmly concluded that that the Communist charges were fallacious.

Baker, however, suggests a more nuanced reconstruction. The notion that American planes were dropping insects and rodents from the sky seems quite an extraordinary claim, less likely to be the sort of plausible-sounding story fabricated for a war propaganda plan, especially given the very large number of seemingly-credible eyewitnesses later interviewed by Needham and other investigators, and the author wonders whether thousands of individuals could have been enlisted into such a long-standing hoax. Moreover, in 2007 the CIA finally declassified and made available on its website a large cache of secret American documents, and these included numerous communication intercepts of Chinese and North Korean commanders reporting these events and urgently requesting vaccines or DDT to protect their troops from the expected disease outbreaks. So although the evidence for such actual epidemics seems minimal and possibly fabricated, the Communist forces certainly believed that they were under biological attack, suggesting that something very odd was happening.

Baker notes that psychological warfare was a central element of CIA operations, and memos from that period indicate that all sorts of possible strategies were being explored to demoralize enemy troops, including the unusual idea of using planes to spread “fake radioactive dust” and convince the Communist forces that they were in deadly peril. Absent a public and self-defeating American announcement, it is difficult to imagine that any such dust would have even been noticed let alone regarded as dangerous, but dropping large numbers of mysterious insects and rodents might have immediately persuaded the enemy they were suffering another round of American biological attacks, with the American pilots involved assuming the same thing, and Baker believes this best fits the limited available evidence. To a considerable extent, this resembles another bizarre but solidly documented action called Operation Red Frog, in which the CIA caught a hundred Korean frogs, painted them red, then had them dropped from planes to unnerve the opposing military forces.

Moreover, top Pentagon officials believed that full-scale war against the Soviets and the Chinese might break out at any moment, and this operation allowed them to test their biological delivery systems, which would have become a crucial element of their military strategy in such a conflict. So Baker believes that a small-scale covert biological warfare operation beginning in late 1950 afterward became confused and conflated with a large-scale psychological warfare operation in 1952, leading many later historians to discount the reality of the former.

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Aside from the numerous FOIA documents that he had personally obtained, one of Baker’s most important sources was a short 1998 volume by Canadian historians Stephen Endicott and Edward Hagerman aptly entitled The United States and Biological Warfare. He became personally friendly with the authors, whom he interviewed early in his project, and was later given twenty boxes of their accumulated research materials.

Published by a small American university press, the Endicott/Hagerman volume contains an enormous wealth of very detailed factual material, and was glowingly praised by Prof. Richard Falk of Princeton, an eminent scholar of international law, as well as mainstream historian Stephen Ambrose, who had built his career upon Eisenhower hagiography. But the text is written in a very dry and dull manner, so I found the Baker book, despite its lack of a chronological sequence, much more useful, although it was obviously built upon the research foundation provided by that earlier work.

The authors differ with Baker by firmly believing that the aerial drops of 1952 were also biological attacks, but their evidence seems overwhelmingly circumstantial and most of it could easily be explained within Baker’s framework.

One crucial point they properly emphasize is the terrible scale of the American defeat at the hands of the intervening Chinese ground forces during late 1950. They quote from Disaster in Korea, the definitive military account of that conflict by Lt. Col. Roy E. Appleman, who characterizes the situation in extreme terms: “…a series of disasters unequaled in our country’s history…a massive retreat, without parallel in U.S. military history.” As a consequence, both President Truman and the Joint Chiefs of Staff agreed that atomic bombs should be used if necessary to avert total defeat. Under such circumstances, is it really plausible that our forces would have balked at the use of biological warfare, especially in a very limited capacity and deployed in a plausibly-deniable manner?

Unless and until our remaining secret documents from seven decades ago are finally made available, Baker’s reconstruction strikes me as the most balanced and consistent with the somewhat contradictory evidence, and Winchester apparently agrees, seeming to reverse the conclusions of his Needham biography of a dozen years earlier by providing a long and glowing blurb for Baker’s book.

 

Preparation for the full use of offensive biowarfare against large enemy population centers obviously requires extensive field testing, and these efforts sometimes provoked great controversy when they eventually came to light. During September 1950, a mysterious fog with a strange odor enveloped the city of San Francisco for several days, and only decades later was this discovered to have been caused by a major biowarfare field test, as an offshore minesweeper blew a huge cloud of bacterial spores intended as a stand-in for anthrax towards the city. Although the spores were purportedly harmless, they actually produced a number of serious infections among the local residents, including at least one death. In 1975, the New York Times revealed that a decade earlier the CIA had filled New York City’s subways with “a harmless simulant of a disease-carrying gas” provoking further outrage.

There also seems reasonable evidence that far more permanent mistakes sometimes occurred. Lyme disease, transmitted by ticks, can produce itches, rashes, and sometimes more serious ailments and annually infects some 300,000 Americans and countless pets, plaguing the inhabitants of New England and much of the coastal North East. It was first diagnosed in 1975, a suspiciously recent date for the sudden appearance of an entirely natural disease, and based upon Lab 257, a heavily-researched 2005 book by Michael Carroll, Baker argues it was probably an inadvertent consequence of our biowarfare experiments. Apparently, nearby Plum Island had long been the center of CIA- and Army-funded research into tick-borne livestock diseases, and these could have accidentally infected local deer or birds, which then crossed the bay to Lyme, Connecticut, producing the endemic infestation.

Although hardly as controversial as those aimed at humans, such biological weapons targeting food supply had also constituted an important element of America’s military plans from the earliest stages, though they seem to have almost entirely disappeared from the historical record.

By early 1945, Ft. Detrick researchers had developed and tested a variety of weapons aimed at destroying Japan’s rice harvest, producing bombs to deliver mold, fungus, or bacteria for that purpose, while other military experts argued that spraying fuel oil would be the most effective means of destroying rice seedlings. Combined with America’s complete blockade of Japan’s home islands and the destruction of her fishing fleet, the strategy was intended to reduce the overcrowded Japanese population to total starvation.

Although the key documents regarding any actual implementation of these war plans remain classified or so heavily redacted as to be unreadable, we do know that the Joint Chiefs of Staff at some point officially authorized the full use of “plant BW[Biowarfare].” Baker notes that Japan’s rice crop failed in 1945, producing the worst harvest since 1909, when the population had been one-third smaller, and Japan only survived because Gen. MacArthur’s occupation government imported huge quantities of food. After the close of hostilities, leading biowarfare figures intervened with the media to suppress or downplay any stories of the methods that had been used to destroy Japanese agriculture.

Given such apparent success against Japan, it was hardly surprising that such anti-crop techniques soon became an important component of our Cold War strategy, though the consequences may have sometimes been counter-productive.

Wheat was as important to the Soviet food supply as rice had been to Japan’s, and our biowarfare experts investigated parasitic “wheat stem rust,” which they believed might be effective at destroying Soviet agriculture. By 1949 they had developed powerful anti-wheat strains, and the project was put into full production. A huge stockpile of spores was required in order to be able to deal a crushing blow to the USSR food supply, far more than could be produced in the enclosed Ft. Detrick greenhouses that had been used for testing purposes, so our experts began cultivating the fungal parasite on large sections of open acreage.

The spores were extremely light, could be lofted up to 10,000 feet into the air by winds, and a single pustule might produce 350,000 new spores. Although our biowarriors surely tried to be careful, mistakes do sometimes happen, and while no attack upon Soviet agriculture ever took place, beginning in 1950 our own wheat crop was devastated by five years of mysterious wheat rust epidemics, which eventually encompassed twelve states and by 1954 had destroyed a quarter of our bread wheat and three-quarters of our pasta wheat. This timing may have been purely coincidental, but Baker notes that a declassified Air Force report reveals that the main spore cultivation efforts had occurred in generally the same states which then became the epicenters of the spreading blight.

Sometimes such mistakes must be repeated before they are fully admitted. By the early 1960s, Ft. Detrick researchers were once again cultivating wheat rust in several acres of an experimental crop-station in Kansas, and their reports boasted of their success in reducing crop yields by 70%. This effort continued until 1965 when a huge wheat rust epidemic severely damaged the farmlands of much of Kansas and Nebraska, after which the project was halted.

Other anti-food projects were aimed at livestock, and Baker strongly suspects that hog cholera was used against East Germany’s swine herds, with the epidemic beginning soon after the CIA-abetted Berlin riots of 1953 and forcing the destruction of many tens of thousands of pigs. Such methods became part of the CIA’s standard toolkit, and according to Newsday their operatives in 1971 successfully infected Cuba’s herds with the African swine flu virus, forcing the slaughter of 500,000 pigs and completely eliminating the availability of pork, a staple of the Cuban diet, although similar efforts to destroy Cuba’s poultry industry failed. These historical events seem eerily reminiscent of the mysterious viral epidemics that began devastating China’s poultry and pork industries in 2018 and 2019, soon after the Trump Administration had brought on board one of America’s leading biowarfare advocates.

 

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Although most of these historical facts have been known to academic specialists for decades, or could be discovered by those who actively searched them out, they have been much less likely to appear in more general works. For example, one of the glowing blurbs provided to Baker’s book is by Pulitzer Prize winner Tim Weiner, who had spent decades covering intelligence issues at the New York Times and elsewhere. His 2007 work Legacy of Ashes runs 700 pages, and is considered an authoritative history of the CIA, but when I read it a year or two ago, I saw virtually no mention anywhere of biological weapons let alone their actual use, and rechecking the index just now confirmed my recollection.

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However, this climate of media avoidance has recently begun changing. Another strong endorsement of Baker’s book came from Stephen Kinzer, who just a year earlier had published Poisoner in Chief, primarily focused upon the notorious MK-ULTRA mind-control projects of Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, the CIA researcher described in the title. Kinzer’s book attracted glowing accolades from Pulitzer Prize winners Seymour Hersh and Kai Bird, both writers with great experience on intelligence matters, and received quite favorable reviews in the elite mainstream media.

At first glance, mind-control and biological warfare might seem entirely dissimilar topics, but they actually share considerable areas of overlap. Both required the creation and use of dangerous biological or biochemical agents, which for maximal effectiveness must then be tested upon unwilling human subjects, often in dangerous or lethal ways. Since in this regard they obviously operate outside the boundaries of normal legality, especially in peacetime, their use must be kept entirely secret, naturally matching them with the proclivities of an intelligence agency such as the CIA. Throughout his book Kinzer emphasized the considerable overlapping personnel and resources between these two domains. Indeed, as the CIA’s “chief poisoner,” Gottlieb developed a wide range of deadly biological compounds which he deployed in a number of mostly unsuccessful attempts to assassinate foreign leaders such as Prime Ministers Zhou Enlai of China and Patrice Lumumba of the Congo, as well as Cuba’s Fidel Castro.

But Gottlieb’s great personal quest was to create an effective system of mind-control, the use of chemical compounds or physical techniques to gain mental control over an unwilling subject, which he persuaded CIA leaders represented the Holy Grail of their espionage efforts.

There is an additional and rather ironic connection between the Ft. Detrick biowarfare programs and the unsuccessful CIA efforts at mind-control. As discussed above, there seems to be overwhelming evidence that the severe military setbacks of the early Korean War had prompted America to surreptitiously employ biological warfare, though the military impact was hardly enormous. Then in 1952, a much larger aerial effort dropped insects, rodents, and other obvious potential disease carriers on Communist-held territory, including parts of China. Baker believes that these later attacks were mostly elements of psychological warfare, with no effort made to infect the potential carriers with diseases, but obviously both the enemy governments and the pilots involved would have assumed that actual biological attacks were once again taking place. So when some of the American pilots were shot down and captured, they confessed to these apparent germ-warfare attacks, signing statements and admitting the facts to foreign visitors, thereby serving as the centerpiece of a major Communist propaganda campaign.

Since such actions would have been considered war-crimes, their widespread recognition might have produced a huge public relations disaster for America, and they were heatedly denied in the strongest possible terms as ridiculous Communist propaganda, with these determined public efforts to suppress the facts largely succeeding within the Western bloc.

Upon their return, these captured flyers were threatened with court-martials, causing them to repudiate their statements as having been made under duress. But the records show that any such coercion was almost entirely psychological, with virtually no claims of harsh physical treatment or torture.

This naturally raised the problem of explaining away the detailed and seemingly credible public statements of those captured American officers and why they had confessed to supposedly non-existent war crimes. The response was the creation of a widespread myth that the Chinese Communists had pioneered “brainwashing” as a powerful technique of mind-control. This suggested that our Cold War adversaries had made a major breakthrough in a potentially important military technology, and prompted CIA efforts to match their techniques and close the “brainwashing-gap.”

These ideas also soon entered the popular culture, with the classic example being The Manchurian Candidate, a 1959 bestseller that became an even more influential 1962 film. The fictional work tells the story of a captured American soldier transformed by Chinese brainwashing into a programmed assassin used to remove any human obstacles to a Communist seizure of our political system, and for decades afterward brainwashing remained a staple of fictional suspense plots. Yet Kinzer notes that right around the time the film appeared, the CIA finally abandoned the project as a failure despite the heavy resources expended, hardly surprising since the underlying premise had been entirely fallacious.

One major element of these failed CIA efforts had been the widespread utilization of LSD and other hallucinogenic drugs, often tested upon unwitting civilian subjects, and the use of these drugs eventually leaked out into our wider society, with serious negative consequences. So to some extent, our official refusal to acknowledge that we had illegally waged biological warfare in the early 1950s may have indirectly helped promote the creation of the drug culture that so greatly transformed our society by the late 1960s.

 

Although Gottlieb’s mind-control efforts had gone into high gear in the aftermath of the Korean War, they had actually begun during the early stages of that conflict, as Kinzer quotes in this grisly excerpt:

“In 1951 a team of CIA scientists led by Dr. Gottlieb flew to Tokyo,” according to one study. “Four Japanese suspected of working for the Russians were secretly brought to a location where the CIA doctors injected them with a variety of depressents and stimulants…Under relentless questioning, they confessed to working for the Russians. They were taken out into Tokyo Bay, shot and dumped overboard. The CIA team flew to Seoul in South Korea and repeated the experiment on twenty-five North Korean prisoners-of-war. They were asked to denounce Communism. They refused and were executed…In 1952 Dulles brought Dr. Gottlieb and his team to post-war Munich in southern Germany. They set up a base in a safe house…Throughout the winter of 1952-3 scores of ‘expendables’ were brought to the safe house. They were given massive amounts of drugs, some of which Frank Olson had prepared back at Detrick, to see if their minds could be altered. Others were given electro-convulsive shocks. Each experiment failed. The ‘expendables’ were killed and their bodies burned.”

This remarkable passage came from one of Kinzer’s major sources, Secrets and Lies by Gordon Thomas, which was published by a small American press in 2007 and bore the provocative subtitle “A History of CIA Mind Control and Germ Warfare.” Intrigued by this material, I decided to order a copy for myself, which proved a less trivial undertaking than I had assumed.

At one point in Baker’s account, he related the anecdote that when one of the earliest books revealing CIA activities appeared in 1964, representatives of the agency threatened to buy up all the copies and thereby remove it from circulation. This plan was immediately frustrated when the editor at Random House said he would simply order another print run, but such a strategy would obviously be much more effective if directed against books produced by small presses and that were no longer being printed. When I checked Amazon for the Thomas book, the cheapest hard copy available was listed at over \$500, a price I had never previously encountered for a mainstream hardcover less than 15 years old and the only copy listed at AbeBooks.com turned out to be missing. But fortunately I was able to locate a more reasonably priced copy elsewhere.

The extreme rarity of that particular book is certainly quite different from the dozens of others in Thomas’s huge oeuvre, which accumulated an astonishing 45 million in total sales. Although produced by an extremely successful author and BBC broadcaster on historical and intelligence matters, this volume lacks any source notes and is also replete with the sort of detailed private conversations likely to have been invented by Thomas, who probably hoped the work would be made into a film, as had been the case with seven of his previous books. These factors naturally gave me some pause compared with the carefully-documented Baker, Endicott/Hagerman, and Kinzer volumes.

However, Thomas claimed that much of his information came from CDs containing 22,000 secret CIA documents that a whistleblower had sent him in 2001, and he republished some of these in his book, while his material had been treated as fully authentic by later writers such as Kinzer. The author also drew heavily upon extensive personal interviews, with his most important source being William Buckley, a thirty-year CIA veteran at the heart of the events, who had been close to both Allen Dulles and William Casey, two leading directors of the agency. So on balance, I regarded Thomas’s material as uniquely valuable and reasonably credible, though perhaps not quite as solid as the explicitly document-based works by Baker and Kinzer.

Thomas’s material strongly supported Baker’s account of American biowarfare attacks during the Korean War, and he even expanded the story in important ways. For example, he suggested that during 1951 Gottlieb and our other biowarfare experts may have tested their lab-cultured diseases upon 20,000 North Korean POWs, of whom nearly 1,800 died, with the full CIA records of this damaging incident possibly having been destroyed during 1972-1973. According to Thomas, Buckley also investigated the records of the confessions of our captured pilots, and noted that their detailed descriptions so perfectly matched our actual biowarfare technologies as to seem very persuasive.

And if Thomas and his personal sources can be credited, his account may have resolved one of the most puzzling and notorious incidents of the 1950s, widely discussed in other works.

In 1953 one of our leading biowarfare experts, Dr. Frank Olson, began behaving very oddly and after being taken to New York City for treatment by a psychiatrist was found dead on the pavement beneath the broken windows of his fifth floor hotel room, with the official verdict being suicide due to sudden mental illness. Decades later it came out that he had secretly been given a heavy dose of LSD as part of the CIA’s mind-control research project, and the incident was regarded as a notorious example of the potentially deadly effects of that hallucinogenic drug, which had been introduced into our society and tested upon unsuspecting Americans by CIA researchers. As compensation, the Olson family received a large financial settlement. But according to Thomas, the truth may have actually been far darker than even this story.

The development of deadly toxins and other biological weapons obviously requires considerable human testing to be effective, and during World War II Japan’s extremely large biowarfare program apparently consumed thousands of human subjects—euphemistically labeled “logs” in their reports—mostly hapless Chinese but also including some American and other Western POWs. The claims that similar lethal human experiments had been performed upon the inmates of some Nazi concentration camps figured quite prominently at the Nuremberg Tribunals. But practical needs transcend ideologies, and America’s own growing biowarfare program of the postwar years seems to have adopted entirely similar methods of testing, much of it taking place at a large secluded compound in the Black Forest region of occupied Germany, with the victims—various suspicious characters or other such “expendables”—afterwards eliminated if they somehow managed to survive the weapon tests themselves.

In 1953 Olson took his first trip to that field establishment and apparently was deeply horrified at personally witnessing the actual use of the deadly technologies he had spent the last dozen years developing in his laboratory. Returning home via Britain, his distraught state was apparent to one of his British biowarfare colleagues, who reported the facts to his superiors and the information was immediately passed along to their opposite numbers in America. It appears that Gottlieb, the head of the American program, became fearful that Olson might eventually reveal the sordid facts to the media, so he arranged to have him quickly killed, first administering a massive dose of LSD to produce the sudden behavioral changes that would support a verdict of suicide.

Apparently CIA Director Allen Dulles was very suspicious of the official suicide story, telling his close aide Buckley that Olson had seemed almost the last person in the world to commit suicide, and he tasked that officer with getting to the bottom of what had really happened. Buckley believed he had done so, even determining the identity of the assassin employed, and decades later the exhumation and autopsy of Olson’s corpse seemed to strongly support that reconstruction, so that a New York public prosecutor was preparing a homicide indictment against Gottlieb in 1999 shortly before the latter’s death. But the sordid incident was completely hushed up at the time, and after the fall of Communism, the files of the KGB and the East German Stasi revealed that they used the example of Olson’s demise as a case study of “the perfect murder by suicide.”

Kinzer seems to support this same reconstruction, though lacking access to Thomas’s documents or the benefit of his personal interviews with Buckley, he is much more circumspect in his conclusion.

 

Reading these books also helped to fully resolve an additional biowarfare question that had remained in the back of my mind for the last couple of years.

David Irving quite possibly ranks as Britain’s most internationally successful historian of the last one hundred years, and some of his archival research produced remarkable revelations. As I wrote in 2018:

Along with the laws prohibiting the bombing of cities, all nations had similarly agreed to ban the first use of poison gas, while stockpiling quantities for necessary retaliation. Since Germany was the world-leader in chemistry, the Nazis had produced the most lethal forms of new nerve gases, such as Tabun and Sarin, whose use might have easily resulted in major military victories on both the Eastern and Western fronts, but Hitler had scrupulously obeyed the international protocols that his nation had signed. However, late in the war during 1944 the relentless Allied bombardment of German cities led to the devastating retaliatory attacks of the V-1 flying bombs against London, and an outraged Churchill became adamant that German cities should be attacked with poison gas in counter-retaliation. If Churchill had gotten his way, many millions of British might soon have perished from German nerve gas counter-strikes. Around the same time, Churchill was also blocked in his proposal to bombard Germany with hundreds of thousands of deadly anthrax bombs, an operation that might have rendered much of Central and Western Europe uninhabitable for generations.

According to Irving, only the stubborn resistance of Churchill’s appalled military and political subordinates prevented the drunken wartime leader from carrying out his plan to to annihilate the heart of Europe with biological warfare. The great historian gives the details in one of his riveting public lectures, once easily available on YouTube, but now confined to Bitchute:

Video Link

Under normal circumstances, I would consider such astonishing claims almost impossible to believe. However, during the notorious 2000 libel trial that wrecked Irving’s career and bankrupted him, his Jewish tormenters drew upon their almost unlimited funding to hire an army of researchers who spent a year or more subjecting Irving’s vast corpus of writings to line-by-line and footnote-by-footnote scrutiny, a degree of hostile fact-checking surely unprecedented in the annals of historiography. And since they never challenged any of these striking statements, I felt confident in accepting that the claims were correct. But I was still gratified to see these facts seemingly confirmed by the Kinzer, Endicott/Hagerman, and Thomas books, which each reported Churchill’s urgent 1944 order for the mass-production of anthrax bombs by his domestic industry and also his successful demand that the Americans ship him another 500,000 from our own stockpile.

 

One of the odd aspects of America’s informational landscape is that so many of the most controversial historical facts seem to be hidden in very plain sight. Both Nicholson Baker and Stephen Kinzer are fully mainstream and well-regarded authors, with their books heavily praised by prominent reviewers and easily available for purchase on Amazon.com, and the same is true for the much earlier history by Stephen Endicott and Edward Hagerman. The volume by Gordon Thomas is somewhat more difficult to obtain in hard copy, but the Kindle version is priced at just \$9.99, and his other books had racked up many tens of millions in sales while being made into seven films. No one could possibly describe these writers as marginalized figures, purged for their controversial historical claims. And the stories they told of America’s extensive use of biological warfare and the lethal experiments conducted upon large numbers of human victims seem quite explosive. We are obviously not living in a totalitarian state that imposes a wall of secrecy upon these sordid facts. Anyone can click a button on Amazon and begin reading the material a day or two later, or buy the Kindle version and open the book within seconds.

Yet sales of such books have probably been limited to the thousands or low tens of thousands of copies, and none of this history is promoted in the mainstream media or incorporated into our standard textbooks, which would allow it to reach many millions of readers. Most importantly, it is entirely ignored by our electronic media, which is the primary source of information for the vast majority of our population. As a consequence, I had been completely ignorant of this material, and when I contacted several knowledgeable and well-read individuals, some of whom are primarily focused upon national security issues, the same was true for them as well. Merely by failing to sufficiently emphasize certain facts, the media is hiding them almost as effectively as if they had been declared official state secrets.

One might easily argue that although quite distasteful these past events had little effect upon the world and are merely details of history, unimportant to our present-day lives. Our biowarfare attacks during the Korean War killed or injured merely the tiniest sliver of the casualties that were inflicted by our massive strategic bombing campaign or the rest of the conventional fighting on the ground. And except for Midwestern farmers whose wheat crops were devastated during the early 1950s or Northeasterners who still suffer the pangs of Lyme disease, the number of Americans impacted by these policies or their unintentional blowback, has been absolutely negligible.

But biological weapons do create enormous potential dangers, as President Nixon had emphasized when he decided to ban them, and playing Russian Roulette may seem absolutely safe until one time when it suddenly isn’t.

Consider the reality of today’s global Covid epidemic. Although still just partway through its second year, the outbreak has already killed perhaps 14 million people worldwide, and together with the efforts at control has heavily affected the lives of nearly all the world’s eight billion people, touching every continent and city. Many hundreds of thousands of Americans have been among the dead, and our own society has been enormously disrupted. By any reasonable measure, the Covid outbreak has already had an impact upon the world many times greater than that of the 9/11 attacks and the two decades of major wars and population displacements that followed, certainly making it one of the three or four most momentous events of the last one hundred years.

From April 2020 onward I have been presenting the strong perhaps even overwhelming evidence that the disease outbreak was unleashed by an exceptionally reckless American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran). The numerous articles in my series have now been viewed more than 350,000 times, a total perhaps as much as an order-of-magnitude greater than the combined sales of the various major books discussed in this article. Yet for exactly the same reasons—the studious avoidance of the mainstream and electronic media—only the tiniest fraction of those impacted by these disastrous events have become aware of the likely cause of their plight.

Perhaps if the unfortunate historical facts of America’s past decades of biowarfare development and use had become better known over the last couple of generations, our current calamity might have been avoided.

 

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  1. Anonymous[374] • Disclaimer says:

    Rubbish!

    • Agree: emersonreturn
    • Troll: Rahan
  2. Larry says:

    This article was about to break the internet when, voilà, Unz was able to gratifyingly insert a a dig at Jews.

    All is well with the world.

  3. You are doing outstanding work Mr. Unz. All very detailed and very unwelcome by our government.
    I was searching “Fort Detrick” for some clues about their real mission and stumbled upon a 2020 article about serious “lab leak” incidents there in 2019.

    https://wjla.com/news/local/cdc-shut-down-army-germ-lab-health-concerns

    • Agree: Tor597, GomezAdddams
    • Thanks: Jim Christian
    • Replies: @Iva
    , @GomezAdddams
  4. Rahan says:

    Another excellent article which reads in one breath like an adventure novelette.
    Hats off!

    • Replies: @Realist
  5. Mr. Unz, you might be interested in this. I knew a man, years ago, who had been in US Special Forces during the Indochina war. He was present at a meeting during the Vietnam War in which a CIA leader proposed introducing plague to North Vietnam. If memory serves, the CIA’s proposed way to do it was via the water supply but I may be wrong about that. It was years ago. According to my friend, the head of Special Forces at the meeting (not my friend) informed the CIA man that if this ever happened, he (the head Special Forces guy) would personally track down and kill the CIA man.

    That ended the conversation.

    I have no doubts about the credibility of my source. He was horrified by this and other memories and had long since got religion (literally), repented of what he viewed as his sins, and turned his hand to productive activities. Still the burden of this and other memories stayed with him.

    I can say no more as I’ve already said as much as I can about him. But he was not lying, of that I’m sure.

  6. I don’t know why we don’t wonder about the Spanish flu. It arises at the end of a terrible war in which the participants developed other bioweapons. It was very atypically dangerous. Why does no-one suggest this?

  7. Great article, thanks! Learned some new stuff.

    The inaction on investigating the source of Lyme Disease is appalling. The only reasonable conclusion one can reach is that it was indeed a “lab-leak” and a coverup. What you didn’t add was Morgellons (undoubtedly biowarfare) and the CDC fraud attendant to that.

    On the Wuhan Lab Leak theory though, I’d like to mention a speculative possible alternative: They are possibly a patsy. This is not to muddle the water, and it makes Fauci even more nefarious. What if they were set up with this research so that a U.S.(maybe Canadian/British/Israeli) produced virus could be released in the vicinity?

    Yes, I am aware of the Military games origin theory, this would dovetail with that.

    Before anybody bothers replying in this regard: It does not seem consistent with the early W.H.O./Chinese behavior, unless they thought it was a lab leak.

    Mere speculation provided in order for some to not to jump to conclusions, but insist on more and better investigations into the origin. Whether lab-leaked by accident, or deliberately released, if it is indeed an artificial virus which is the product of “GOF” research (functionally, not weasel wordedly), those responsible for any regulatory shortcuts (which obviously includes Fauci) should be held responsible criminally at a personal level.

    It’s way past time for the government to come clean on this history. Bravo to Mr. Baker!

    • Replies: @ADKC
    , @mulga mumblebrain
  8. Anonymous[325] • Disclaimer says:

    Whether Covid was part of biological warfare or not, it certainly was part of psychological warfare. The deep state, big pharma, and big media all colluded to spread hysteria for profits, social control, and political expediency(with massive voting irregularities that would remove Trump).

    Its psychological impact was many times its medical impact.

    In that sense, it was similar to US strategy in Korea. Bio-Scare was more effective in spooking the Reds than actual bio-weapon attack.

    • Agree: Realist, Adam Smith
  9. Another impressive addition to Mr. Unz’s series about biological warfare and Covid 19.

    More proof that the Assange ideology of transparency is a true threat, should it become widespread, to the financial elite, who are defended/led by the CIA and other deep state organizations.

    More proof that one of the media’s main techniques of population is propaganda by omission.

    Finally, we must ask, in relation to Mr. Unz’s previous dialogue with Mike Whitney, and his comments on the thread accompanying that article, how he can be so trustful of government statistics, and so unwilling to examine some of the basic reasons so many have joined and participate in the current anti technocratic freedom movement.

    For example, if governments and international institutions and state/corporate media can be corrupted and false and murderous and lawless concerning their own citizens as well as other countries’ citizens concerning biologicial warfare why can they not:

    [MORE]

    promote relentlessly a ‘PCR test’ that, used fraudulently, systematically misrepresents the mortality and case statistics of Covid 19?

    take control of countries’ health care by first demanding binding treaties with the World Health Organization and then using that organization to, by proclaiming a ‘pandemic’, trigger lockdowns and trigger the state move towards vaccine passports.

    promote the development of experimental mRNA ‘vaccines’ and force them on the population, meanwhile making billions for BigPharma executives and investors

    ignore the vast number of deaths caused by the lockdowns

    censor, both directly and via omission, experts and non experts who dissent from the dominant Covid 19 narrative

    In short, Mr. Unz can convincingly expose the evil, currently and historic, of our elite institutions and their leaders, public and private, but cannot recognize the possibility that this same elite has created a psychological warfare program and a “health” program and a wealth transfer program whose aim is, via Covid 19, to transform world society into a permanent technocracy, a worldwide surveillance state, world wide medical martial law. In short, The Great Reset.

    • Thanks: Rurik
    • Replies: @BaronAsh
    , @thotmonger
  10. SafeNow says:

    Robert Kennedy used to say that if he became President, he would then, finally, have the power to compel the investigation that would reveal the truth of his brother’s assassination. He apparently paid the price for this. Donald Trump said he would release the secret John Kennedy files, but then changed his mind. The US government lies about everything, always has, and always will. Definitive, credible, conclusive, evidence of the truth is never permitted to emerge. The best that can be done is to meticulously assemble, as Ron Unz has done here, a mountain of overwhelming circumstantial evidence. And then send it out to a limited audience. And thus put a small dent into the government ethos of “we can get away with anything.”

    Until Covid, the ethos of “we can get away with anything” impacted a relatively small number of people, as Ron Unz notes. But Covid may, before it is finished, wreak consequences that are even more catastrophic, far more catastrophic, than those we have seen thus far. I refer to both the political and societal, and, to the biological.

    • Replies: @sally
    , @MLK
  11. Dumbo says:

    Mr. Unz seems very sure of himself and his theory, but, it’s strange that with so much preparation for “biowarfare”, when the U.S. tries to supposedly “attack China”, they: a) do not prepare an antidote or a vaccine in advance b) do not take precautions to seal borders immediately c) end up causing much more damage to the US and the Western world allies than to China. In fact, China soon recovers (even Iran recovers quickly), while the Western world goes full clown-world and institutes “vaccine passports” and “lockdowns” but still fails to contain anything and is now battling the nth wave.

    My theory is simpler, the intended result was not a pointless “attack against China”, it was from the very beginning a global operation, with the idea of introducing new technology and authoritarian controls (mRNA vaccines, tracking apps. vaxx passports etc.) and it wouldn’t be limited to “Covid”. The idea is really a complete change of paradigm in how people are treated – now we are all seen as “walking bioweapons” until proof in contrary and treated as such, and we must give them our DNA information and all our personal data.

    The idea that this will end with “Covid” is risible (we still have to take off our shoes at the airport and can’t carry water bottles even after long passing the peak of the “war on terror”). So the obvious conclusion is that “Covid” is just an excuse, just as the shoebomber and the almost forgotten Anthrax letters were also an excuse.

    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
    , @lysias
    , @haha
  12. @Anonymous

    my late husband’s mother had been hospitalized in montreal & unfortunately became a subject in the ultra MK tests. he remembered regularly coming home from school to find her running a kitchen knife along her arms. it was only years later when a member of parliament’s wife had also been subjected to these experiments that it became public & he began to understand what she had gone through. imprisoning the chinese princess is merely the latest in canada’s illustrious history.

  13. GMC says:

    Another great article – Thanks R U.
    Kazakhstan people are just starting to wake up to the fact that the US MIlitary has a secret 400 million dollar BioWeapons lab {” Research Center”} in their country at Alma-Ata , along with a few smaller satellites near the northern border.
    They have just discovered that many of their calves and younger cattle, in the northern areas, have an old old disease called blackleg. I guess the Corona virus have helped to open their eyes, also.
    Of course the Kazak leaders are still backing the pro US ” Research Center ” and claiming that it actually is – just another R C . \$\$\$ – recent article from Vladimir Platov- Neo.

    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
  14. ADKC says:

    In my view, for this to be true (i.e. a biological attack on China & unintended blowback, or vice versa) then the method of attack would have to be something other that a virus (modified or other). It would have to be bacterial or chemical or something else .

    For reasons to tiresome to explain (and which never convince true-believers), viruses do not really exist (as we understand them), they have never really been isolated, and have never been shown to cause disease. Yet, no one considers any other idea other than a virus or bio-engineered virus?

    If it was a western bio-weapon of some sort why have the West not been more rational and efficient in dealing with it when the West should have had total knowledge of the “weapon” and how it works – yet no insight is apparent. It is a strange bio-weapon that only takes the vulnerable and susceptible and that most healthy people don’t even notice when they are supposed to be “infected”.

    It is also strange that PCR tests designed to respond to “unique Covid-19 identifiers” appear to return positive results to anything with vitamin C/Citric Acid, goats or the flu – How could this be the case? This must mean that the “unique Covid-19 identifiers” are bogus – How could this be? This must that the Covid-19 virus has not been identifted – How could this be the case? This must mean, for all intents and purposes, the Covid-19 virus does not exist – unless, of course, we wish to believe in things that have not been proven to exist, or follow an ideology or cult, and abandon rational thinking

    Excess deaths can be explained by inappropriate treatment, copious use of DNRs, psychological enfeeblement of the vulnerable, neglect and denial of access to health services. In a large country (large area, large population) it is hard to see the effects of these methods but with a smaller country it is easier to discern these impacts. In the US you can discern a similar effect if you look at smaller areas and the actions of Cuomo in New York state (re: care homes and inappropriate treatment of the elderly and vulnerable) seem to have caused many thousands of deaths.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    , @ebear
  15. Ron,

    The author’s name is Gordon (first name) Thomas (last name,) and not Thomas Gordon. Otherwise, kudos on your report.

  16. Richard Nixon had ordered the destruction of our entire biowarfare arsenal and soon signed an international treaty with his Soviet counterparts to outlaw those horrifying weapons.

    What, Ron Unz thought the Anal Empire would actually honor an agreement? Ronny doesn’t understand the Anal Empire is on the right side of History and is, therefore, not bound to honor any agreements. It would be irresponsible—indeed it would be a dereliction of our duty toward History—to slow down the march of History over a piece paper. It’s the will of History—obviously—for every child to be turned into a tranny, for every country to have a black majority, and for Jews to own 100 percent of the world’s wealth so they can better guide the black rulers.

    • Replies: @Fidelios Automata
  17. milosevic says:

    Communist media organs issued widespread charges that America had begun a much larger round of biowarfare, claiming that American planes were dropping all sorts of diseased insects and voles in Korea and even parts of nearby China, once again trying to unleash an epidemic. Sensing the opportunity for a major propaganda coup, the Chinese organized an independent international fact-finding commission to investigate their accusations and interview local witnesses, managing to enlist as its head Dr. Joseph Needham, one of Britain’s most celebrated scientists and China experts, and the 665 page report eventually published claimed to have confirmed the Chinese case.

    Report of the International Scientific Commission for the Investigation of the Facts Concerning Bacterial Warfare in Korea and China

    https://mronline.org/2018/02/21/the-long-suppressed-korean-war-report-on-u-s-use-of-biological-weapons-released-at-last/

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4334133-ISC-Full-Report-Pub-Copy.html

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-long-suppressed-korean-war-report-on-u-s-use-of-biological-weapons-released-at-last/5629882

    • Replies: @Rose
  18. Readers interested in the Korean bioweapons attacks can read the statements of all 29 USAF personnel (from colonel to navigator) in The Report of the International Scientific Commission for the Investigation of Facts Concerning Bacteriological Warfare in Korea and China (the ISC report)

    The \$9.95 book, in addition to the Scientific Commission’s report, also provides a useful account of the war’s origins, and reports of Western journalists’ impressions of American POWs’ condition in the camps.

    • Thanks: Rahan, emersonreturn
  19. Magchiel says:

    9pm 05
    I was wondering why Mr. Unz does not refer to the 911 anthrax attacks. Not long ago the Lawers’ Committee for 911 Inqury send a petition to the Senate to reopen the Anthrax investigation which had bee halted by Obama after a ‘suicide’ of the suspect.
    Read the petition on Lawyers’ Committee for 911 Inquiry. org
    Impressive interview on David Knights show with Mic Harisson and David Micewinkle. Lawyers from the Committee

  20. ADKC says:

    This is an article which describes how vulnerable people in the UK were killed during the Covid-19 pandemic:

    https://in-this-together.com/planned-euthanasia/

    [MORE]

    What the article indicates is deliberate policy of euthanising the vulnerable via denying caare, restricting care and inappropriate care. A bio-weapon was completely superfluous to this process.

    Extracts:

    “The UK government not only created the legislation to enable healthcare providers to increase the risks to the most vulnerable, they fully understood those risks. They had previously identified them in training exercises and had extensively modelled those risks.”

    “During an allegedly unprecedented health crisis the UK government removed the NHS duty to assess a patient’s health status (and conditions) before discharging them from hospital. They then issued instructions compelling the NHS to discharge as many patients as possible.”

    “An August 2020 study by the Queen’s Nursing Institute found the following practices commonly operating in Care Homes during the spring 2020 outbreak. We should note the element of compulsion: “Having to accept patients from hospitals with unknown Covid-19 status, being told about plans not to resuscitate residents without consulting families, residents or care home staff…..21% of respondents said that their home accepted people discharged from hospital who had tested positive for Covid-19…..a substantial number found it difficult to access District Nursing and GP services….25% in total reporting it somewhat difficult or very difficult during March-May 2020.” ”

    “Once the vulnerable were trapped in abandoned care homes, which were knowingly understaffed, the remaining, unprotected staff were then left to deal with both their own safety fears and the mounting mortality. The government decided this was an opportune moment to suspend all safety inspections in both hospital and care settings. This was supposed to “limit infections,” although every other decision they made appeared to increase them. Yet again, ending inspections raised the mortality risk for the most vulnerable.”

    “At the same time, Do Not Resuscitate (DNAR) notices were being attached to vulnerable people’s care plans, often without their consent or even their knowledge. This coincided with a massive increase in orders for the potentially life ending medication midazolam….In March 2020 the NHS purchased the equivalent of two years worth of supply.”

    “….the UK government encouraged widespread adoption of the Clap for Carers, often referred to as “clap for the NHS.” During lockdowns, as the whole nation was told to self isolate indoors and avoid all unnecessary congregation, between the 26th March and the 28th May, we were “allowed” to simultaneously congregate on the streets and show our appreciation by clapping, banging pots and pans and ringing bells….Meanwhile vulnerable people were being discharged into unsafe care homes where access o medical care was withdrawn and essential social care removed. Clapping for this was obscene. The government clearly used this ploy both as a distraction and as propaganda. This does not suggest that doctors, nurses and carers do not deserve our support. Any medical professional or carer who blows the whistle is almost certainly making a career ending decision.”

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
    • Thanks: Rahan
  21. i’ve read about this history and Mr Unz’s research does coincide w/my own layman research.

    John Potash came out with a book a few years back documenting the CIA’s role in secretly dosing up society during the 60s:
    https://tubitv.com/movies/566779/drugs-as-weapons-against-us?start=true

    BUT …. we also have to take into account Uncle Sam’s track record w/previous FAKE pandemics, epidemics, etc.:

    [MORE]

    AIDS Epidemic was fake:

    1976 Swine Flu of NJ was fake:



    Video Link

    there were others.. such as Spanish Flu, SARS, etc.. but those lack video documentaries & require reading and research.

    my hunch: it’s a fake ‘flu renamed covid’ pandemic. especially after watching the fake AIDS Epidemic documentary. in conjunction w/the CDC faking death counts, death certificates, incentives to hospitals to put people on ventilators, the faulty/deceptive PCR test, propaganda, coercion, censorship, deceptions, media hype/lies, and the overall totalitarian-ready GOVT revealing itself. this leads me to believe there’s an evil ulterior agenda.

  22. Anonymous[146] • Disclaimer says:

    A blogger named Jeffrey Kaye has done some interesting research recently documenting US biological warfare during the Korean War:

    • Thanks: GomezAdddams
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  23. Tor597 says:

    @Ron Unz,

    I would look into the work of Jeff Kaye who has covered this extensively.

    • Thanks: RedpilledAF
  24. Magchiel says:

    In regard to the upcoming 20-year remembrance of 9/11 we also have to point at the book by Graeme McQueen, The Anthrax Deception. He was one of the first to mention the Anthrax letters and the plane attacks as parts of One Operation.

  25. Ed Case says:
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Why does no-one suggest this?

    The insurmountable problem the BioWarfare Warriors have encountered in an effective mass delivery system.
    Injection remains by far the most effective way to cause disease, so it’s fair to assume this is a rerun of the Spanish Flu Epidemic.

  26. Lots of great information. I had always heard that far from standing against Churchill the RAF were quite happily going to murder millions with poison gas and anthrax but the fact Allied troops were going to be affected prevented them from doing so. The fact Germany collapsed so fast in the final stages with fast allied advances on all fronts saved them from that fate.

    Churchill always was a nasty character. He was the MP for my hometown of Dundee from 1913 to 1922 and when he was ejected by the people he told one of his friends not to worry as if letting them stick an x on a piece of paper every few years actually let them change anything we wouldn’t let them do it. He was found a safe seat down in England soon after and continued doing whatever his backers were paying him to do. It came out in the 50’s that he had been bankrolled by a very well know “British” banking family and his policies of war war and not jaw jaw had been identical to theirs since the 20’s at which point I think he went onto their books as a front man for their family.

    As David Irving also stated based on civil servant diaries. In private, completely illegal under British law, meetings with another head of state (Roosevelt in this case), British law demands that civil servants always be present at such meetings but they were ejected by the Americans, Churchill almost certainly arranged the handover of the British empire to his mother country the US. He was a traitor par excellence and was once voted greatest Briton of all time ……. If only they had known the facts about him he would have been executed not feted as he was.

    As a footnote the councillors of Dundee presented him with an award during the War but by a vote of only one in favour and he refused to accept it and was heard to say that he would see the grass grow in the streets of Dundee before he would ever allow any government funds to go there. Such a man wo so clearly detested the people he owed everything to should never have been put in charge of a whelk stall let alone an empire but it suited that family to do so, so long as he did exactly as he was told to do by them.

    Did a drunk really order the murder of millions or was he a drunk for other reasons, the public face and private face reality eating him up inside?

    • Thanks: Jon Chance
  27. Bioweapons terrify me. They are invisible. You can’t see them. You can’t fight them.

    More terrifying is knowing that we now have the capability to engineer viruses like the COVID-19 abomination that will in the future have a lethality of say 50%.

    Imagine if COVID-19 was actually a massive killer of humanity. Imagine the fear and insanity in America if every other person you know drops dead.

    We are living in terrifying times. Bio-weapons are much much easier to build than nuclear warheads. And they are literally untraceable once released on earth. What is to stop some nefarious billionaire from building a research lab and hiring some angry, far-left geneticist.

    Imagine Israel creating a Gene Engine and releasing on the world…..specifically designed to kill an entire race of people.

    • Replies: @BlackFlag
  28. Andreas says:

    There is a terrible plausibility to Mr. Unz’s thesis that the US is engaging in biological warfare given the current research and documented historical record.

    However, during the cold war, communism was an existential threat given the perceived immediate likelihood of a nuclear holocaust; and the rout of UN forces by the Chinese was an immediate threat to the survival of those armies.

    Thus, under these circumstances the risk calculation might have favored the use of biological weapons, despite the obvious risks.

    But given the profound lack of accuracy and precision in the delivery of such weapons, by analogy it seems similar, although more diffuse, to infantry calling in artillery on their own position as a last desperate effort to avoid a complete defeat.

    Therefore, I have a very difficult time fully accepting Mr. Unz’s thesis because I cannot conceive of what is so dire about the immediate circumstances – economic, military or otherwise – that the US would risk using biological agents against China and Iran. For obviously, if what Mr. Unz is suggesting is true, then the risk calculation failed spectacularly… again.

    • Replies: @UltraQ
    , @anonymous
  29. ADKC says:
    @Randy Dazzler

    First, we need to be clear exactly what happened in Wuhan. There is a lot of misinformation about Wuhan, the video below covers the real known facts and points a finger at the most probable suspect behind the “pandemic”:

    https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/Once-Upon-A-Time-in-Wuhan-Odysee-Exclusive-Comp:2

  30. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    The Spanish flu affected the proceedings of the negotiators at Versailles, most notably, Mark Sykes, then 39 years old, died quickly of the disease, and Woodrow Wilson was sickened and weakened by the combination of the disease itself and his profound grief over the death of Sykes.

    Chaim Weizmann notes in his autobiography that Sykes had “been of service” to the zionists in their quest to acquire Palestine, but Weizmann makes no mention whatsoever of Sykes’s early death, of which he had to have been aware.

  31. If you believe that the USA launched a despicable and reckless bio-warfare attack on China, which I certainly do, then the earlier examples are made far more likely. Certain I would say. As for ‘KGB documents’ proving otherwise in the Korean case, all I can say is ‘Pull the other one’. Russia in the 90s, under the drunken Quisling Yeltsin, was the perfect opportunity for Western intelligence and Russian traitors to fabricate such reports. In the end one fact is salient-the USA has long been the greatest force for Evil in EVERY way, on Earth. Bioi-warfare is PRECISELY the sort of atrocity it commits, day after day.

  32. onebornfree says: • Website

    Ok Ron, let’s assume you are correct- the current plandemic was masterminded/initiated by the US government.

    So what do you suggest we do about that( if anything)?

    How about reducing the US Federal government down to, at the very least, it’s original constitutional size and functions, eliminating _all_ of its entirely unconstitutional agencies (CIA NSA FBI IRS FDA EPA etc etc ad naseum), and re- chaining it down to those original, strictly limited functions and powers?

    Although far from perfect, wouldn’t that be a good start in the right direction, at the very least?

    Regards, onebornfree

  33. Great ron unz.RESPECT!! Best regards.

  34. “the outbreak has already killed perhaps 14 million people worldwide”
    I would rephrase this line as:
    “the outbreak has already assisted in killing perhaps 14 million people worldwide”

    I read a more detailed account of Frank Olson’s story elsewhere but can’t remember where. That is going to play on my mind until I find it again.

  35. What i find disturbing is that human beings masked as scientists go about their daily “job” of tinkering with lethal pathogens as though they were simply baking a cake. Thats a sign of something far more sinister and sick going on.

    • Replies: @GMC
    , @denk
  36. Anon[170] • Disclaimer says:

    No doubt that biowar research has continued in every state that is able to carry it out. Still, all of this discussion about where “COVID-19” came from, how it has mutated, &c seems to be talking past the sale. The precise nature of this discussion doesn’t much matter. As long as the population at large is constantly bombarded with banter which implicitly accepts the notion that there is a legitimate health threat named “COVID” spreading and re-spreading throughout the worldwide population, the goal of creating a pretense for literal tyranny is accomplished.

    COVID-19 is nothing. It probably doesn’t even exist (there is no sequence/isolation in existence, anyways. I’m often given a link to a paper which cites sequences of SARS-CoV-2 found in 2012/2014 as a rebuttal to this, but I’ve yet to see anything legit), and if it does exist it is no more dangerous than many moderate respiratory diseases. It is all a pretext.

    A pretext for? A pretext for destroying economies, drastically altering election processes, and for carrot/stick’ing people into accepting an injection of “experimental” mRNA poison. I use scare quotes here because it likely that those who are pushing the shots might be aware of what is going to happen.

    [MORE]

    I’ve honestly no idea what is really going on. I do know that the government/media/pharma complex has never historically CARED SO FUCKING HARD about the health of the plebs as it does today. Food Pyramid (plus soda companies, plus big agri, plus &c) encourages diabetes for decades? No problem. Sackler family encourages opiate addiction? No problem. Tobacco and alcohol kill millions? No problem. Sedentary office jobs kill millions? No problem. The overall modern lifestyle leaves many (if not most, at this point) Americans stuck in a loop of working at absurd, do-nothing, soul-crushing jobs/”careers” which drain them of the most energetic hours of their days (while their children are miseducated by state institutions and face the same absurd future as the parents)? No problem.

    A virus which is not much worse than many respiratory viruses (even if we take institutional numbers at face value rather than assume that these are amplified by at least an order of magnitude due to obvious pressures) appears? BIG PROBLEM! THE GOVERNMENTS OF THE WORLD HAVE BEEN FORCED TO SAVE HUMANITY BY CRUSHING HUMANITY!

    It’s all so incongruous and tiresome. The official narrative has become so self-contradictory that I have a difficult time imagining that those who bleat it out aren’t ashamed of themselves. “The vaccinated are still able to contract, spread, and suffer from the disease, thus the unvaccinated are to blame for the mutations that BigPharma couldn’t forsee, thus everything is going to shut down again this fall, and thus we will eventually force you all to take the vaccine (which doesn’t stop you from contracting, spreading, or suffering from this virus).” Give me a break.

    If this virus actually exists, then the vaccinated are more likely the incubator for new variants (and perhaps by design if we’re really going to put our tinfoil hats on). Marek’s disease (chicken hosts) is a case of this. Look it up if you’re unfamiliar.

    If something similar can be cooked up in humans then we’ll be living in a new hell. Granting that there is a COVID-19 virus for the sake of argument: “You’re a dissident, no more vaxx refreshes for you!” (as the now inorganically destructive virus, a result of leaky vaccines, rampages around the globe while adapting to every ‘booster’ vaccine within six or so months). A global tyrant’s wet dream.

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
    • Replies: @sbio
    , @anarchyst
  37. Walter says:

    See the corpus of Jeffery Kaye on the biowar…a very large and documented body of work.

    Thanks Ron for doing what you do!

    https://jeff-kaye.medium.com/

    (as a side note, some may be aware that the arsonist always sets up the arson to blame the guy that did not do it… This tactic is deception 101. Oftentimes the arsonist is found bearing traces of “gasoline”, which creates in arsonist the imperative to increase the stridency of his denials and accusations…sound familiar?….today Phaowcee of medical fame blames the un”Vaccinated” for infecting the “vaccinated…see RT!)

    • Replies: @Zachary Smith
  38. theMann says:

    Most people dont actually die in hospitals, but it would seem that 100% of Covid deaths occur in hospitals.

    People die of cancer, strokes, accidents, and so forth across an age spectrum, but it seems that 100% of Covid deaths occur in the same average age as all deaths, which, as I pointed out last Spring, is statistical bullshit.

    Most vaccine developments dont arrive with massive censorship and a hard press campaign to force an untested product on a duped population, but Covid has.

    100% of CoronaFraud is a lie

    [MORE]
    , has been since day one, and the lies are becoming ever more brazen and absurd.

  39. Mike Tre says:

    If the Corona covid SARS-2 point oh beer flu is a biological weapon, then it is the biggest failure of a bioweapon in history. An effective bioweapon would be designed to target a population’s healthy contingent – its young adults and children – and not its already sick and elderly. It is proven through data – that Unz willfully ignores – that this virus is virtually harmless to children and healthy adults.

    Ironically, the real bioweapon is this mystery fluid falsely labelled a vaccine, that governments are forcing people at near gunpoint to receive.

    • Agree: Realist, theMann
  40. Dumbo says:
    @ADKC

    While an apparent novel (?) disease with certain symptoms such as lack of taste and smell, cough, lung infection etc. exists, and appears to be transmissible (although perhaps not in the way suggested), I agree that the “virus” theory lacks a lot of actual proof and clear, real information.

    [MORE]

    It’s like the “HIV virus”, never well-proven exactly how or if it caused Aids. But there was a lot of clouding of the issue at the time, and teenagers in the 80s were told that every teenager would die of Aids if they didn’t use a condom, when really it was mostly limited to homosexuals and drug users. Perhaps the whole Aids scare was planned to reduce teenage pregnancies? Well, it’s an idea.

    I’m not even sure that viruses work in the way we assume they do, but that’s another story.

    Even assuming it’s all true, I agree also that creating a “bioweapon” with viruses, and especially a respiratory virus that affects more old or immunocompromised people (and some younger people in an apparent random way), and that we don’t even seem to understand very well, and without having any preparation for it, seems a really weird idea.

    Besides, why would they want to attack China and Iran this way? What would they gain?

    If they just wanted to “weaken China” (?), why not just use their usual financial tricks and “ISIS attacks”and “colour revolutions” which are much safer, with no risk of “blowback”? I know, neocons are insane, but this whole theory of a virus attack doesn’t make a lot of sense to me even taking that into account.

    • Replies: @ivegotrythm
  41. Realist says:
    @Rahan

    Another excellent article which reads in one breath like an adventure novelette.

    It reads that way because it is a novelette.

    • Agree: SBaker
  42. geokat62 says:

    Contra Ron Unz’s thesis that Covid-19 was a bioweapon attack launched against China (and Iran) by 5 or 6 rogue neocons in the Trumpstein administration, my hunch is that this bio-warfare operation was launched by the same group of people who launched the 2001 Anthrax attacks:

    … and just as the culprits of the Anthrax Attacks were never identified, we’ll never know who was behind the launch of the Covid Attacks.

    That said, still interested to see who most Unzers think the leading candidates are as the group responsible for the Anthrax attacks?

    • Replies: @SBaker
  43. GMC says:
    @InnerCynic

    Totally Agree – if I may add to that, these people/lab techs/ psychopaths work in hundreds of million dollar ” Research Centers” in many countries and evry one of these Bio weapons Labs – Leak into the public. Plenty of evidence of leaks/experiments from the Lugar Lab in Tbilisi Georgia and the numerous labs in Ukraine and now in Kazakhstan, yet every leader of that country { no matter who it is } will back the US Military Biolabs as being only Research Centers – which no one is allowed to inspect – independently. The US Crime Syndicate rules and even Russia or China does nothing about it, and they are in their backyards. Thanks.

    • Replies: @InnerCynic
  44. The US (NATO) killed off 10-20% of the North Korean civilian population. The people at the top are psychopaths will no moral grounding. The CIA are even worse. However, it is almost pointless to try to figure out accurately what happened 70 years ago. The really important documents are gone (our leaders learned that from the scrupulous NAZI records at Nuremberg). Recently reading Tom O’Neil’s “Chaos” about Charlie Manson and the CIA, I shared the author’s hopeless frustration (but not his obsession) at trying to construct what happened back in the ’60s, with almost every clue ending in dead ends: law enforcement and prosecutors freely destroying evidence without accountability, and important witnesses dead or closed mouthed, burying the past. It could have happened, sure, but even with painstaking documentation, it remains speculation.

    For SARS-CoV2 it very likely came from a lab (the “human” arginine codon doublet in the furin cleavage site– the only such site- in the B lineage of betacoronaviruses strongly suggests molecular engineering). We do not know which lab(s) it came from. Anthony Fauci and friends stonewalling for a year– “SARS-CoV2 did NOT come from a lab!”– gave ample opportunity to destroy smoking gun documents everywhere.

    At present the big concerns are whether variants will escape immunity (the delta outbreak in Cape Cod shows that the vaccinated spread Covid-19 as well, initially, as the unvaccinated. We had better hope there is no selection in the vaccinated against their S-1 partial antigen of the virus.)
    A bigger concern is antibody enhancement of the virus. Much of the Global South/ Third World has been vaccinated with inactivated whole virus, while the West is universally vaccinated with the S1 portion of the virus. It would be relatively easy for Bioweapons labs to select for variants that bypass the S1 protein (likely the CIA is overseeing this in our allies labs!) If the variants still bind ineffective antibodies, these could even target the vaccinated. With Biden recently demanding that the US military be vaccinated against Covid-19 (pointless, as the SS Theodore Roosevelt infection showed), there is now a major incentive to create variants that bypass S-1 proteins, their antibodies and the West’s S1 vaccines.

    Of course the Bat Lady Shi Zhengli and her global counterparts understand antibody enhancement well: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7022351/
    This research was funded by three RO1AI grants; the AI stands for the national institute of Allergy and Infectious diseases, Anthony Fauci’s bailiwick.

    • Thanks: InnerCynic
  45. @Dumbo

    we still have to take off our shoes at the airport and can’t carry water bottles even after long passing the peak of the “war on terror”).

    And add to that now wearing a mask throughout your entire flight, getting screamed at (or worse) by the flight crew if it accidentally slides down between bites of your meal and, if you’re in the U.S., the ever present threat of a chimpout at 30 000 feet.

    All of which would come to a screeching halt if everyone just said “No”. If everyone stopped flying unless they had no choice, like work or attending a faraway funeral, airlines might be forced to treat their passengers like human beings again.

    Boycott, boycott, boycott.

    • Agree: TTSSYF
  46. most mainstream [American ?] historians seemed to have come down on the American side,

    these new accusations were once again blasted as a hoax by the much more powerful Western media,

    Many later historians have come to the same conclusion,

    As an example of this historical consensus, Simon Winchester’s widely-praised 2008 biography of Needham devoted almost 20 pages to this episode, which nearly wrecked his subject’s career, and firmly concluded that that the Communist charges were fallacious.

    Etc.

    Thank you for this enquiry, Ron Unz.

    Some readers may still wonder why their Free West country is a wreck as they continue to sit in front of the teevee, read “newspapers” and nod sagely at Court Historians’ accounts of how Hitler wanted to take over the world, not forgetting Josef Mengele’s human experiments, and why therefore WW2 deaths (conservatively 60million) and the wreckage of entire continents were a good thing or at best “unavoidable” … heroic US military … atom bomb saving lives …
    Marxist useful idiots and hasbara trolls alike can be relied on for this.
    Not knowing or caring abt that little Latin phrase —

    “Cui bono ?”

  47. @Proximaking

    Churchill’s mother, Jenny Jerome, was the daughter of a New York robber baron once known as “the king of Wall Street.” Arranged marriages between penniless British aristocrats and status-craving American nouveau rich were quite the fad in the Gilded Era. Her burning ambition was to see her feckless husband Lord Randolph Churchill become Prime Minister. She ignored her young son in the single-minded pursuit of this goal, which ended with Randolph’s premature death, some say due to his wife’s insistence that he advance to a position which he knew he was unfit to hold.

    She was nicknamed “Lady Randy” in political circles for her eagerness to use her sexuality to advance her husband’s career. It is known that she, as well as Winston’s grandfather and uncle had dealings with the Rothschilds banking establishment, which bought the former’s land holdings in Buckinghamshire in 1862 and loaned enormous sums to the latter in the 1870s and ’80s.

    It is appealing but unfortunately futile to speculate whether Winston Churchill’s obsessive need to draw the U.S. into his mad crusades against Germany was rooted in a subconscious yearning to be saved by the neglectful American mother who abandoned him in his boyhood. He was certainly as mentally unbalanced a man as has ever occupied a position of national prominence.

    It is the great American tragedy that Winston’s madness so resonated with FDR’s megalomania. A crippled man confined to a wheelchair, the American President dreamed of being the great savior of mankind, burning with a passion to finally surpass cousin Theodore Roosevelt, his rival hated since boyhood. No lie to the American people, no violation of American law, was too extreme for him in his quest to drag us into an unnecessary war against a foe that posed no threat to us, and which was opposed by the vast majority of his countrymen.

    Meanwhile the archenemy of freedom, Joseph Stalin, successfully exploited both men’s neuroses to expand his murderous empire of human misery

    • Thanks: Jon Chance
    • Replies: @RedpilledAF
  48. geokat62 says:
    @Mike Tre

    An effective bioweapon would be designed to target a population’s healthy contingent – its young adults and children – and not its already sick and elderly.

    Problem – Reaction – Solution

    It’s always they solution we should be worried about, not the (mfged) problem.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
  49. Melvin says:

    In the 1990s the New Yorker magazine had an extensive interview with Ken Alibek, leading Soviet biological warfare chief (can’t remember which issue). He detailed the history of biological warfare experiments in the Soviet Union. An island used for experiments was so contaminated that it was closed to all visitation. Mr. Alibek moved to the US in 1992, so far I haven’t seen any interviews with him about COVID 19. It would be interesting to read or hear his take on COVID-19.

  50. @Nathaniel Eli

    If I had a division of such men this war would be over in six weeks.

    That’s not verbatim but Oliver Stone wrote it. Oliver Stone who I guess P~.2 is a child rapist but hey nobody is perfect.

    I have heard for years that Game of Nations by Copeland is the book you need to read for the inside dope on how things work. Those people who told me that were mistaken. Like almost all books about intelligence (non-fiction–James Bond and John LeCarre are great stuff) this book is unbelievably dull. But there was one golden kernel inside the horse poop. Copeland said the prime directive for the guys on the top of the pyramid is to keep the nukes un-detonated. And this is just unbelievably stressful. Like for a five year old to not eat a marshmallow except times a thousand. So we give them a pass on all the rest. The lying, the stealing, the cheating, the killing, the raping, the kidnapping, the torturing. Just give it a pass.

    Now that is a load of utter crap but I have little doubt that people like Copeland and Colby and Dulles bought into it 90 percent or more.

  51. COVID may be meant to target our constitutional rights.

    Concerning the Korean War allegations, you used to be able to see the US service members confessions on YouTube. Also there was a Press TV documentary on the subject. Both hard to find now.

  52. peterike says:

    I’m drawn particularly to the stories of people conveniently committing “suicide.” A long standing tactic, it seems. And now we have what? Five or six of the “Capital police” killing themselves over the “trauma” of the selfie-Insurrection? It’s ludicrous on its face, yet the media presents each new death with a straight face, and nobody asks any questions.

    The question is, if they are being Arkancided in some way, why? There must be a reason to the rhyme.

  53. profnasty says:
    @Nathaniel Eli

    Curtis Lemay had a proclivity for burning alive little children. When asked about this, his answer was: The only mercy in war is brevity.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  54. There is one thing I’ve wondered about.

    The North Koreans actually saved some of the evidence from that era and forensic/genetic research has come a long way since then.

    I wonder if they have considered using modern forensic techniques to try and establish the truth of what happened. Like a rape case that gets DNA evidence decades after the fact and ends up setting someone free from prison.

    Be interesting to find out.

  55. At this point I tend to think the Wuhan lab was the intended infection point. It would for the US be an easy enough target with access due to the working relationship. Also the Wuhan lab could get the blame if the bat soup excuse didn’t fly. However it seems like the vaccine is the real weapon, and everyone not elite is the target.

    Iran just was a convenient bonus target. For all the hoopla that Trump didn’t start a war, he sure tried to get one started with Iran.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  56. lysias says:
    @Dumbo

    Even if, as you suggest, we, and not China, are the true intended targets of covid, attacking China could have been the cover story used to persuade operatives to take part in the covid operation.

  57. Mr. Unz writes in passing:

    The development of deadly toxins and other biological weapons obviously requires considerable human testing to be effective, and during World War II Japan’s extremely large biowarfare program apparently consumed thousands of human subjects—euphemistically labeled “logs” in their reports—mostly hapless Chinese but also including some American and other Western POWs. The claims that similar lethal human experiments had been performed upon the inmates of some Nazi concentration camps figured quite prominently at the Nuremberg Tribunals.

    It is interesting to note that the claims about Japanese medical atrocities (often summarized under the label “Unit 731”) are basically the Chinese Communist equivalent of the more familiar “Holocaust” narrative promoted by Soviet and Western media. It has the same prominence in their histories as proof of the enemy’s limitless depravity. And similarly, the evidence is based entirely on testimonies by supposed eyewitnesses and perpetrators — in the case of the latter, usually after they had been held in captivity by the Chinese for great lengths of time.

    These stories are then regurgitated as fact by the lazy Western media, since they serve equally well to feed their own “Good War” myth.

    The allegations are sometimes very extravagant. For example, it is claimed that the Japanese forced white men to rape Chinese women to study the transmission of venereal diseases. Or that they literally cooked Chinese babies on stoves for unclear purposes, somewhat like the famous Nayirah testimony. Without any documentation to corroborate these claims, critical readers may perhaps be inclined at least to view them with caution. Yet it seems to publicly question such stories makes you almost the equivalent of a “Holocaust Denier” these days.

    After all, it was the evil Nazis Japanese Imperialists who did all this, and we know a priori that there was no evil of which they were not capable. How can you accuse the poor victims who suffered at their hands of not telling the truth? You must be an apologist for fascism.

    This is not to say that the Japanese were necessarily completely blameless. I don’t find it impossible to believe that they really did have a biological warfare program of some kind; after all, so did the Americans, the Soviets and the British, so it wouldn’t be odd in the context of the time if they did. (Although the Germans, strangely enough, seem not to have had one, or we’d have heard of it from the people who use every other excuse to demonize them.) But any truth about it is buried deep beneath mountains of sensationalism and atrocity propaganda.

    To put it another way, there is infinitely more evidence of United States biowarfare in Korea than any by the Japanese in China. This is shown beyond doubt by the book by Endicott and Hagerman referenced in this article, whether one ultimately agrees with their thesis or not. Yet believing in the alleged American atrocities is considered a conspiracy theory at best, while “denying” the alleged Japanese atrocities provokes outrage.

    How very familiar.

    This aside and some disagreements with the final paragraphs notwithstanding, our thanks to the author, who has as usual produced an informative, thoughtful and very valuable historical article on an important topic. Godspeed.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
    • Replies: @denk
  58. Yoda says:

    For those who haven’t read it yet, I also highly recommend Kris Newby’s book “Bitten” about Lyme disease. The best book on the topic, very well referenced too.

  59. UltraQ says:
    @Andreas

    There are many who believe US is on the ropes — China on verge of delivering an economic knock-out blow. Some crackpot in national security, with or without knowledge of Donald Trump, proposes biowar attack on China. Why would it not affect US? Because it was believed that, like SARS I, it would not spread, or not spread significantly, beyond China and East Asia. Or, perhaps because the antidote was in the works — but there were some problems with the vaccines and they were not delivered on time. (In any event, US could not appear to have already prepared the antidote so was ready to sacrifice lives as an alibi.)

  60. gottlieb says:

    Great read, thanks Unz.

    The evidence of CIA evil ever since its inception is overwhelming and undebatable. Though perhaps the ’cause’ against Communism waged by upper class elites justify the means. Wealth/evil are two sides of the same coin.

    911 and the immediate ensuing Anthrax attacks were connected in that they both supported the ‘narrative’ of Islamic Extremism. (Who’d want to do that?)

    As a namesake, Sidney Gottlieb is quite an embarrassment. Part of me wants to believe the mad scientist really was born Joe Scheider, and changed his name… but that just doesn’t make sense.

    Certainly the work involved was to “de-pattern” a personality through drugs, electroshock and hypnotism to create a “Manchurian Candidate.” Some think Sirhan Sirhan was a fruit of this work.

  61. Schuetze says:

    Lymes disease is spread all across Europe too. It has negatively affected the lives of untold millions, any many millions of those severely. The US has conducted Biowarfare experiments and attacks all across the planet for decades, if not for over century. A few short years after hanging innocent German officers for fake “war crimes” and “crimes against humanity”, the US was developing and experimenting with bioweapons in Germany, Japan, Korea and the US. The Morgentau plan and the Rhine Meadows Camps were a manifestation of the plans of Morgentau, Roosevelt and Eisenhower to actually attempt a genocide.

    So in light of the overwhelming proof that the US has conducted these heinous crimes against humanity for over 70 years, people like Ron Unz really need to stop calling other curious readers “nutters” and “crackpots” for believing that the US would commit other kinds of crimes against humanity. This moral corruption of the US government has lowered the bar of burden of proof to where “plausible deniability” is no longer a yard stick that can used to smear people for believing in conspiracy theories. This article alone illustrates that the real bar is now “plausible believability“.

    I am thinking of Weather Warfare here. If the US would, as illustrated in this article, try to poison the food supplies of target populations, would the US not stoop to Weather Warfare in an attempt to accomplish the same feat? Is the HAARP Ionospheric heater in Fairbanks really any different than the biowarfare labs in Ft. Detrich if they are both being used to develop and deploy weapons that are used against humanity?

    [MORE]

    Apparently Ron Unz can easily believe that the US would deploy a bioweapon against China, but not use weather modification to cause flooding, crop damage and the breaking of dams there. Ron Unz can believe that the US would destroy rice and wheat crops with bioweapons in Japan and Cuba, but would not cause droughts in Syria, Ukraine, Tunisia, Libya and Egypt with weather weapons in order to instigate revolutions. Ron Unz can believe that the US would spray biowarfare agents on San Francisco, but wouldn’t deliberately cause wild fires across the west coast in order to promote the global warming narrative.

    I will also add that the Korean War, where Ron Unz has become convinced that the US deployed Biowarfare agents, was actually a UN “police action”. Many, including myself, believe that the Korean War as set up as a kind of Proof of Concept of the UN as a global military force. It mostly failed in this effort, but it does show that the globalist plans for the UN were always far larger than it just being a toothless congress of world leaders. What Klaus Schwab at WEF is pushing with the Great Reset really just the UN’s Agenda 20 and Agenda 2030. The UN IPCC is the embodiment of the globalist usage of “Global Warming” as a tool to gain control of the entire planet. It is the UN that wants to impose a global carbon tax.

    So if we can believe that US was willing to use Biowarfare to advance the globalist UN agenda in Korea in 1952, why can’t we believe that the US wouldn’t use Weather Warfare along with Biowarfare to advance the globalist UN agenda in 2021?

  62. Another terrific article from Ron Unz. I’ve read most of the books he cited; Kinzer’s book on Sidney Gottlieb is especially revelatory. Would like, however, to see the mRNA vaccine linked to the COVID 19 bio-weapon. One can believe in the general efficacy of vaccines and see that the current coercive measures pushed hard by the authoritarian technocrats regarding the COVID vaccine reeks of skullduggery.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  63. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    Hugo Chavez of Venezuela was suspicious that his cancer and that of other Latin American leaders was induced in some way by US operatives. Paranoia? Perhaps but the pattern of inconvenient leaders dying prematurely seems to exist. John Perkins of Economic Hitman fame has also raised this issue of covert rub-outs. Besides the biowarfare weapons perhaps the US has found ways to beam cancer-causing radiation blasts at people who then later come down with it. CIA agents have supposedly suffered what’s been called Havana Syndrome so who knows what they’ve been playing around with and suffered some blowback. There’s probably an entire range of nasty things that have been and are being done that we don’t know about. What will we find out years down the road about what’s going on now? US govt and its spook agencies are just a mafia, a regular Murder Inc with vast resources. Things are hidden in plain sight but still requires some digging around. Vast majority get their info from MSM and are satisfied with it. That’s all you need to run things.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  64. Yee says:

    Si1ver1ock,

    “I wonder if they have considered using modern forensic techniques to try and establish the truth of what happened. Like a rape case that gets DNA evidence decades after the fact and ends up setting someone free from prison.”

    You don’t need new techniques to identify the germs. The germs were identified at that time. There were over 10 kinds, including pestis, Cholera, anthrax, dysentery. But the bio-attack didn’t cause heavy damage, only 126 Chinese soldiers died of infectious diseases.

    Using existing diseases would have this “limited damage” problem, because there’re vaccines and cures available, also knowledge of what to do to contain them… So you’d need bio-labs all over the world to find new ones.

  65. lysias says:

    I happen to possess a paperback copy of Gordon Thomas’s “Secrets & Lies,” which I ordered from Amazon in 2007. Amazon site tells me I paid \$27 and some change. (Copies are still available from ebay for about \$21.)

    I wonder if Amazon’s price went up so high because government-associated people are trying to buy up all copies.

  66. @Larry

    “Unz was able to gratifyingly insert a a dig at Jews”

    What, the bit about “Irving’s tormentors”? That seemed pretty fair comment.

    There’s been a similar case in the UK recently involving one Tony Greenstein, of whom I know nowt. He was accused of being an anti-semite, sued and lost, so had to pay costs of £81k. Lawfare seems to be a game you can play if you have deep pockets.

    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/greenstein-bankrupt-after-failed-antisemite-libel-suit-1.518626

    Back on topic, Ron could have mentioned that the 1977 Russia/China H1N1 outbreak may have been a Russian lab escape or perhaps a live vaccine trial that went wrong.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Russian_flu

    The 1977 H1N1 strain was almost identical to (but not the same as) the strain in the 1950s, which was not circulating around the world until its reappearance in 1977. (Meanwhile there had been some isolated report of other H1N1 strain such as the one in the early 1960s). This feature of the 1977 strain has been interpreted as an anthropogenic origin of the virus.

  67. @Melvin

    “An island used for experiments was so contaminated that it was closed to all visitation.”

    How shocking!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gruinard_Island

    In 1942, during the Second World War, a biological warfare test was carried out on Gruinard by British military scientists from the Biology Department of Porton Down.[9] The British government was investigating the feasibility of a bioweapons attack using anthrax.[10] It was recognised that tests would cause long-lasting contamination of the immediate area by anthrax spores, so a remote and uninhabited island was required. Gruinard was surveyed, deemed suitable, and requisitioned from its owners by the British Government.[11] Porton Down meteorologist Sir Oliver Graham Sutton was put in charge of a fifty-man team to conduct the trial, with David Henderson in charge of the germ bomb. Biology Department head Paul Fildes made frequent visits.[12]

    The anthrax strain chosen was a highly virulent type called “Vollum 14578”, named after R. L. Vollum, Professor of Bacteriology at the University of Oxford, who supplied it.[13] Eighty sheep were taken to the island and bombs filled with anthrax spores were exploded close to where selected groups were tethered. The sheep became infected with anthrax and began to die within days of exposure.[9]

    Some of the experiments were recorded on 16 mm colour movie film, which was declassified in 1997. One sequence shows the detonation of an anthrax bomb fixed at the end of a tall pole supported with guy ropes. After the bomb explodes, a brownish aerosol cloud drifts away towards the target animals. A later sequence shows anthrax-infected sheep carcasses being burned in incinerators at the end of the experiment.[14]

    After the tests were completed, scientists concluded that a large release of anthrax spores would thoroughly pollute German cities, rendering them uninhabitable for decades afterwards.[9] Those conclusions were supported by the inability to decontaminate the island after the experiment—the spores were sufficiently durable to resist any efforts at decontamination.

    In 1945, when the island’s owner sought its return, the Ministry of Supply recognised that the island was contaminated, and so could not be de-requisitioned until it was deemed safe. In 1946, the government agreed to acquire the island and to take responsibility for it. The owner or her heirs would be able to repurchase the island for £500 when it was declared “fit for habitation by man and beast”.

    For many years, it was judged too hazardous and expensive to decontaminate the island sufficiently to allow public access, and Gruinard Island was quarantined indefinitely. Visits to the island were prohibited, except for periodic checks by Porton Down personnel to determine the level of contamination.[15]

    Operation Dark Harvest
    In 1981 newspapers began receiving messages with the heading “Operation Dark Harvest” which demanded that the government decontaminate the island, and reported that a “team of microbiologists from two universities” had landed on the island with the aid of local people and collected 300 pounds (140 kilograms) of soil.

    The group threatened to leave samples of the soil “at appropriate points that will ensure the rapid loss of indifference of the government and the equally rapid education of the general public”. The same day a sealed package of soil was left outside the military research facility at Porton Down; tests revealed that it contained anthrax bacilli. A few days later another sealed package of soil was left in Blackpool, where the ruling Conservative Party was holding its annual conference. The soil did not contain anthrax, but officials said that the soil was similar to that found on the island.

  68. lysias says:

    Another very good book on biological warfare in Korea is Dave Chaddock’s This must be the Place: How the U.S. Waged Germ Warfare in the Korean War and Denied it Ever Since (2013).

  69. Anon[125] • Disclaimer says:

    Isn’t North Korea still at war?

  70. Excellent article. Just a couple thoughts: a) I seem to remember from my own research years ago that there were several massive crop failures in the 1960s and 1970s in the U.S.S.R. which drastically impacted economic and political policy and direction, and b) also based on my research years ago, there is no way that Gottlieb would have made a move without Dulles giving the green light in such a matter. In fact Dulles would have been the one ordering it.

    Once again, excellent article.

    • Agree: emersonreturn
  71. @gottlieb

    The OSS/CIA brainwashing program might itself be an interesting topic for full length treatment in a dedicated American Pravda article. Horrific as the subject is in itself, there are also all sorts of curious data points floating about in the literature on it that could make for a striking mosaic if assembled in one place.

    For example, one of the top MK-ULTRA doctors other than Gottlieb actually worked on at least some of the captive Nazi leaders before the Nuremberg Trials. Some marginal historians have felt free to wonder what impact the involvement of a brainwashing expert might have had on their testimonies.

    This of course sounds like such an absurd conspiracy theory that one is likely to get laughed out of town for even mentioning it. And yet it’s right there on his Wikipedia page as of August 9, 2021.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Ewen_Cameron#Nuremberg_trials

    This line of inquiry is covered in a bit more detail by Lynn Picknett, Clive Prince, and Stephen Prior in their book on the case of Rudolf Hess, Double Standards. Unfortunately these writers are firmly established as conspiracy theorists, and some of their ideas are a bit out there, so they should be read with caution. But if nothing else their bibliography is still useful.

    In any case I highly recommend further study of Dr. Donald Ewen Cameron as well as Dr. Gottlieb to such of our readers as have strong stomachs. His proposals for psychiatric reeducation of the German people may be compared to what actually took place after the war. And his experiments are far more frightening than anything in The Manchurian Candidate.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  72. @Larry

    Run along Menachem, we are enjoying a great article and a great discussion in the comments.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  73. Mevashir says:

    I suspect that the biowarfare scientists are an international brotherhood. My father operated a recombinant DNA research lab that had graduate students from China, Japan, and Israel. They all had the same skill sets and intelligence. But once they returned home with their PhDs, they probably would go to work for their military-intelligence-apparatus and be transformed into enemies. These people are usually non-ideological and just chasing the money to be able to live and prosper, like anyone else. They consider themselves morally neutral and not responsible for the nefarious ways their discoveries and inventions are put to use by the political echelons who fund them.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  74. Mevashir says:
    @John Regan

    Gottlieb was a Jew and his name means “Lover of God” in Yiddish. I wonder if that necessitates being a “Hater of Goyim” at the same time?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adYGUai7PNc

  75. Mevashir says:
    @RedpilledAF

    Run along Menachem, we are enjoying a great article and a great discussion in the comments.

    ???

  76. The great historian gives the details in one of his riveting public lectures, once easily available on YouTube, but now confined to Bitchute:

    JFI — Bitch-Yute now seems to be part of the Dark Side like YT. They decide to not show material, such as this of David Irving on the alcoholic mass-murderer, on the grounds of “hate speech” (really). Personally I have ceased accessing that channel.

    Here is the same footage of a brilliant young historian.
    This is Brand New Tube, uploaded 3 days ago.

    https://brandnewtube.com/watch/churchill-alcohol-and-anthrax-david-irving_F9bu1Xdq7JKELRs.html?lang=spanish

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  77. anonymous[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @gottlieb

    One of the “therapeutic successes” chronicled in Kinzer’s book about the uber-ghoul Gottlieb (God love?) was taking a bright, successful Canadian high school girl, and giving her LSD every day for months (months!), while employing his “psychic-driving” headphones taped to skull until she became a drooling shadow of her former self.

    Of such successes are our freedoms built. Now put on your mask and shuddup.

    Also, Burgdorfer admitted before his death that yes, he had placed the ricketsia in the deer, and that he was surprised years later, when Lyme disease was spreading, that the infected deer were able to swim the 7 miles from Plum Island to the mainland. At least they named the organism after him.

  78. @Mike Tre

    I don’t think you can create a disease that “targets” people less vulnerable to diseases in general.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  79. Schuetze says:
    @Mevashir

    IIRC your parents both attended Stanford. Stanford Research Institute was a hotbed of MKUltra and LSD research. Ken Kesey took his first doses there, and the Grateful Dead got their free LSD and their start in Palo Alto. Are you certain that they were only operating a “recombinant DNA research lab”? It looks pretty damning if “graduate students from China, Japan, and Israel” were there at the height of the MKUltra and the Cold War. And your parents were both jews to boot…

    I do agree that “biowarfare scientists are an international brotherhood“, as are the Freemasons in general and the Bnai Brith is specific. Were your parents members of Bnai Brith?

    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @Mevashir
  80. sally says:
    @Nathaniel Eli

    The morality of mankind is important to its own survival. The ideas put forth by institutions certain state government suggesting the future anticipates human bodies and their minds integrated with or inserted and attached to the flows of electrons, photons, neutrons, etc. and used to enhance the human to capabilities which promote human performance to super human levels should threaten all religion and mortify all humanity.

    Imagine non human sexual interaction as the means by which reproduction takes place. The great reset seems to be aimed along such lines but to be successful man’s own morality must be wiped out. I just cannot believe moral man will allow itself to become the bio device that is operated by a central hardware supervisor that is programmed to serve the benefit of the oligarch? The human becomes a small part of the device connected to a computer ( cannot help but lead to a bio fascist automation state).

    The showing of the images of people getting a shot is important to dehumanizing humanity and to must be supplemented with external nano sized devices, and the longer term idea that the human will become not the central device, but instead the human will become an live living auxiliary connected to a non human device which is connected to a central control system.

  81. @Arthur MacBride

    Larry Arn, president of Hillsdale College, is still hopelessly enamored of Churchill & promotes that ego-based infatuation to Hillsdale students and faculty.

  82. How many times have we been here? Note: It’s not Event 201 but (global) Event 21.

    https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/players/

  83. Rose says:
    @milosevic

    Well done, THIS is it, this report is the only true confirmation of what happened in North Korea. It is a 700 pages military declassified detailed description of the agents and the methods used, it’s unbelievably gross and since the Japanese had just exchanged their insane research for their freedom, this could very well be the shiny new toy the US couldn’t wait to try on someone… but not too close though, over there was perfect.
    Just like the time they tested how fast a virus would spread worldwide if they released it in some international event like for example… The 2019 Wuhan International Military Games where 10,000 athletes came from all over the world and went home carrying a little friend they introduced to all their friends, and so on, and so on…

    • Replies: @BlackFlag
    , @GomezAdddams
  84. @peterike

    The question is, if they are being Arkancided in some way, why? There must be a reason to the rhyme.

    Let’s not forget Dr. David Kelly, who just happened to suicide himself in 2003 by cutting through the matchstick-sized ulnar artery deep in his wrist while on a walk in the woods and without losing a significant amount of blood. Kelly, it seems, had some connection to Porton Down, the British biological and chemical weapons research facility.

    Just might have had some inside information on anthrax.

  85. Thomasina says:
    @peterike

    “I’m drawn particularly to the stories of people conveniently committing ‘suicide’.”

    Me too. I’ve brought this up several times because these “suicides” just don’t make sense. Your boss, warned ahead of time to provide more police, but deliberately doesn’t, puts the blame on you for not holding the line, he yells at you, and you then go home and off yourself? I don’t think so.

    “The question is, if they are being Arkancided in some way, why?”

    I suspect these individuals refused to go along with the narrative, refused to state that these people were violent and bent on overthrowing the government, refused to agree that this was an “insurrection”. When you’re inventing a story, you can’t have loose ends hanging around like that. Look at the Capitol Police who testified before Congress last week: all tears and testimony of being in fear for their lives. Exactly what Congress wanted to hear.

    Because these people were going to tell the truth, they paid for it with their lives.

    The government is now busily ridding itself of people who don’t blindly go along, who ask too many questions, who don’t follow the narrative, people who object to trannies on women’s teams, who refuse to get vaccinated, who refuse to bow down to blacks. These last three are tests of who will go along and who won’t.

  86. I just looked up Gordon Thomas’s “Secrets and Lies” on Bookfinder.com, which I believe is an Amazon subsidiary, and there are several used copies available for less than 20 dollars. I am sorry to say that Ron Unz’s statement about finding only a book priced at \$500 is hard to accept; is his search ability so poor or is his statement false? I cannot fathom why anyone would go to all the trouble of writing such a long report and fabricating such an easily disproved assertion, so I invite enlightenment.

  87. @Old and Grumpy

    For all the hoopla that Trump didn’t start a war, he sure tried to get one started with Iran.

    He had the perfect excuse when Iran shot down the big American drone and then again when it pummeled the American base in Iraq with missiles. Instead of starting a war, he stumbled all over himself trying to say they were no big deal. Even when it would have got him the Jewish vote.

  88. AReply says:

    The context and tone of this article are set by the observation that ‘there was a time before-and-after biological warfare was the subject for a movie plot’ then Unz segues into a boilerplate personal moment of reflection regarding his own mind’s clanky inner workings in relation to something he read on the intertubez.

    There’s commonly probed pleasure zone connecting political analysis and conservative fan-fiction, which Ron Unz is determined to penetrate and widen, maybe for the groyper kicks, or maybe for pay, but a template has been cut and is being used to guide all these articles.

    It comes off as absurd, due to certain gimmicks. For example, Ron’s perennial and singular measure of insight is a word-count, and by that count he experiences a degree of carnal revelation about something he at one time in his youth thought was unthinkable, then he saw something on the internet, a revelation that makes the unthinkable thinkable. From this point of revelation he hits the hut on a hike out to beg some question intended to convert the impossible to the possible.

    The topic is vague, say space-lizard reproductive modalities and hygiene, because the point is to use it as a delivery vector for a shit-ton of scurrilous references.

    Every report has the same pattern, and runs off into the weeds of his own mind in the same large circling amble across a field of possible conspiracies, passing historical references, and tangential links. Where the fabrication system gets glitchy is that Ron returns to his own writing, sometimes regurgitated by an intermediary, but sometimes just directly cribbed from his previous write-ups as the source of his revelations.

    This makes the binding trait of discourse here that of Ron had a thought, Ron posted his thought, Ron encounters his thought on the web, so Ron forges another darker, more menacing thought from those thoughts, where the thoughts are his thoughts.

    If you regard Ron as a spiritual manifestation of a karmic cycle, the Hindu spiritual wheel starts to make a lot of sense, but to keep to a more Western motif, such as Bros. Grimm, trolls gather along Rons way to add threat to add a monstrous threat to the ‘topic’ and over a cyclical series Ron is attempting to birth a creature something like an editorial Medusa or King Rat.

    The biggest trick is that the implication of the creature is disturbing enough to generate shocked gasps at the horror of it all, but the specimen is too malformed and indistinct to actually mean anything beyond a minor taxonomic addition to the course of conservative cray-cray in the current prion disease of American media.

    I find the cognitive dissonance that attends Ron’s working enjoyable on it on its own rambling terms but his prose is just crap. The enjoyment comes from following his sort of not-exposé which feels like I’m learning something while at the same time my understanding is being irretrievably reduced from the consumption. It induces mental hyperglycemia. If the linguistic effect Ron intends is something like H.P. Lovecraft, the actual effect is more like the mild queasy sensation of looking out a train window and thinking your train is departing the platform, when actually it’s the train on the next track that’s leaving.

    But given the material Ron is promoting, regarding the pandemic and the public-health crisis, it’s also very dangerous. There’s a line where negligence crosses to criminal intent and Ron’s Review sits on the line.

    What for pure fiction may work as a cacophonous jumble of gimmicks where super-villains vie for bragging rights and spoils, for political speech may operate as a monstrous modality of malware for the public mind.

    Don’t dick your readers over, Ron!

    • Agree: Triteleia Laxa
    • LOL: New Dealer
  89. lysias says:
    @Tono Bungay

    It’s true that the amazon.com website only offers copies at \$500. But, as I and you have found, there are much cheaper copies available from sites like ebay. Anybody who pays the \$500 is just being cheated by amazon.

  90. anon[417] • Disclaimer says:

    i guess the nazis were too stupid to herd all the jews of europe into the general governorate and then release plague and claim they didn’t.

    imagine how much better the world would be today if nazis weren’t so stupid.

  91. Has there been any investigation into the mysterious upper respiratory virus that broke out in an Assisted Living place in Fairfax County, VA the summer of 2019? Sixty three people became ill and three people died. Fort Detrick Lab is only an hour’s drive away and was shut down within a month of the mysterious illness break out.

  92. @anonymous

    Hugo Chavez of Venezuela was suspicious that his cancer and that of other Latin American leaders was induced in some way by US operatives.

    It doesn’t necessarily take radiation to induce cancer in people. Injecting cancer cells into the bloodstream will do it just as well.

    Besides Chavez, we might also wonder about Jack Ruby. Personally I suspect Neville Chamberlain might have met a similar demise.

    And though not by cancer, then there’s Dorothy Kilgallen, who was suicided at 52 by a fatal overdose after talking to Jack Ruby and threatening to blow the whole JFK case wide open in 1965.

  93. @RedpilledAF

    “Jenny Jerome was a Jewess”

    First I’ve heard of it.

    I imagine the fact that WSC was bailed out financially by people like Ernest Cassell, Henry Strakosch, Alexander Korda and IIRC the Waley-Cohens was more influential – and I’m not sure if its known who wrote two cheques for over a million to clear his debts in 1939, or who paid £2.5m for the film rights to his life of Marlborough (no film was made).

  94. Mevashir says:
    @Schuetze

    https://www.aol.com/news/pentagon-require-covid-vaccine-troops-165248307-171444768.html

    Look at the comments below this article despising any soldier who would dare refuse the jab! I guess the military mind(less)set is alive and well here.

    You are well informed Mr. Schuetze. My parents were educated at Harvard, but my father worked at Stanford. He was on the Medical School faculty in pathology. It seemed everyone in the department was doing recombinant DNA research in the 1970s. Same as the biochemistry department, also in the Med School.

    My father told us the research was to find a cure for cancer. Maybe he believed that, but since it was all funded by NIH I am certain there were many biowarfare applications they developed as well.

    I worked for six months at SRI after I graduated from college. I had a petty job in an economics unit dredging up data in the library. Eventually they saw that my contribution was negligible and they terminated me. I did meet one guy in the department who had CIA connections but I never heard about MK Ultra work there. But it was a huge place and I wouldn’t have known about it even if it was occurring.

    I do believe I might have been part of an MK Ultra experiment when I was an undergraduate at Harvard. In the winter of my sophomore year, I took a job helping collate course syllabuses for a graduate student in the Government Department after completing my Fall semester exams. At the end of the week, this student invited all of us who had been working for him to a party at his home on Friday night. Having nothing better to do, I went there. It was filled with grad students I had never met before. There were drugs in the food or punch and I got a bad dose of either LSD or Angel’s Dust. I had never used drugs before and had no idea what was happening to me, but it was terrifying and I ended up in the campus infirmary for three days unconscious. When I left life carried on as normal, except my personality underwent a dramatic change. I became extroverted, aggressive and sexually promiscuous. I also had flashbacks for two years and auditory and nasal hallucinations. At this same time I decided out of the blue to visit Israel and turned into an ardent Zionist.

    The grad students at the party were former Peace Corp operatives who had been undergraduates in the 1960s and probably were all experienced drug users. I always have felt I was part of some kind of experiment but have never been able to confirm it with hard evidence. But that unfortunate experience changed the trajectory of my life completely.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  95. Notsofast says:
    @gottlieb

    … kinzer notes that around the time the film appeared, the c.i.a. finally abandoned the project (m.k. ultra) as a failure… i don’t agree with kinzer on this and sirhan sirhan was imo a classic example of an m.k. ultra unwitting assassin. 25 witnesses saw his handler “the girl in the polka dot dress” who was later dismissed as a figment of the imagination of an overwrought campaign worker. hinckley was probably another example (who would have become president if reagan had died?). mark david chapman another likely candidate as well.

    • Agree: Thim, RedpilledAF
  96. Ron Unz says:
    @Tono Bungay

    I just looked up Gordon Thomas’s “Secrets and Lies” on Bookfinder.com, which I believe is an Amazon subsidiary, and there are several used copies available for less than 20 dollars. I am sorry to say that Ron Unz’s statement about finding only a book priced at \$500 is hard to accept; is his search ability so poor or is his statement false?

    Well, I normally just go to the ordinary Amazon.com page to purchase a book, and you’ll see that the cheapest copy available is \$549.99

    That seemed ridiculous, so I went to AbeBooks.com, which had a copy available for \$25, so I went ahead and ordered it. But a couple of days later, I got an email refunding my payment and saying it wasn’t available after all. I then hunted around a little and bought a copy elsewhere.

    Just as you say, Bookfinder is able to locate quite a lot of inexpensive copies available for sale by various merchants. But I’ll bet that 95% of people who buy books use either Amazon or AbeBooks, for convenience sake.

    • Replies: @lysias
    , @SolontoCroesus
  97. Mevashir says:
    @AReply

    WOW. WHAT AN ELOQUENT DISSECTION OF UNZ. NOTE THAT UNZ MEANS “US” AS IN WE’RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.

    • Agree: profnasty
  98. Mevashir says:
    @Schuetze

    I do agree that “biowarfare scientists are an international brotherhood“, as are the Freemasons in general and the Bnai Brith is specific. Were your parents members of Bnai Brith?

    Not to my knowledge. We were members of a local Reform Synagogue but weren’t really active. My parents had few overt connections to Jewish organizations. They were surprised by my interest in Zionism and decision to move to Israel, since that had no appeal to them at all.

    [MORE]

    They were completely loyal to Stanford as an institution. I suspect that the Stanford Board of Directors knew all about biowarfare applications being developed there. During the 1960s, Stanford had a large ROTC program and the Computer Science Department was burned to the ground by rioting students after it was revealed that they were developing software to target US bombing missions over North Vietnam.

    Like any large university, Stanford was up to its gills with the MIC. I don’t think it was a Jewish thing at all. Stanford at that time was a very WASP institution, with Jews dominating the medical school but with a pretty small presence elsewhere on campus.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  99. lysias says:
    @Ron Unz

    I would bet that the copy turned out to be unavailable because all copies have been bought up by interested parties.

  100. Anon[113] • Disclaimer says:

    All right then. The US government killed 14 million humans worldwide with an inherently indiscriminate banned biological weapon illegal in universal jurisdiction, as a sneak-attack crime of aggression.

    Why the fuck do we allow the US government to exist? This is not your government, this is your fucking mortal enemy. Failing to nuke the beltway with a 100MT airburst is morally and illegally indefensible. These psycho fuckers need to be wiped out for all time.

  101. haha says:
    @Dumbo

    At first read your theory is tempting to believe in. But a little thinking about “My theory is simpler, the intended result was not a pointless “attack against China”, it was from the very beginning a global operation…” makes it rather implausible. Why? Think about it: the sheer number of conspirators from all over the world required to coordinate it. The Russians and Chinese leaders and elites would have had to be in on the grand plan to remake the world. An individual leader, or a couple of them, could plausibly plan some grand evil scheme. But for all of the world leaders to come together on such scale is impossible to believe in.

    Then there is the problem of maintaining secrecy. If all the world elites were in on planning and executing this vile deed, how did they manage to maintain secrecy? The larger and viler the conspiracy, the fewer the people ‘who need to know’. Imagine the US President ringing up Putin to say “Hi Putin, we have a great idea on how to turn the world’s people into sheeple. Just play along with us, free of cost, and you will emerge with a hundred times more control over your citizens…”. Plausible? Not in the least.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  102. Thank you. This is an important addition to a growing body of evidence.

  103. @AReply

    If you regard Ron as a spiritual manifestation of a karmic cycle, the Hindu spiritual wheel starts to make a lot of sense, but to keep to a more Western motif, such as Bros. Grimm, trolls gather along Rons way to add threat to add a monstrous threat to the ‘topic’ and over a cyclical series Ron is attempting to birth a creature something like an editorial Medusa or King Rat.

    You’ve certainly reminded me of that old saw about a thousand monkeys typing away on a thousand typewriters for a thousand years trying to produce a Shakespearean play and producing nothing but garbage.

    The monkeys at least would have edited out the repetitive adding threat language

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride, JoeFour
  104. profnasty says:

    No one, but no one does word porridge like Ron Unz. I’m sure he sits in his hammock and talks into a digi recorder, ad nauseum. But I promise you this, nothing he says will make an ounce of difference.
    Internet is masturbation. Until you raise your arms, you are semen in the sink. You are nothing.

  105. When big claims are in ordinary books but get ignored that is because normal people recognise them as interesting and mostly speculative.

    Then you come along with extreme selection bias and decide that these are facts which are also somehow obscured because nobody else has the extreme selection bias you have.

    Notice how also the complete failure of the mind control experiments blows your RFK theory out of the water.

    Ultimately, your defence, when someone calls you out and you have to retreat to it, always rests on “anything is possible” which is true, but also renders your argument solely speculative and with no reason for anyone to believe it, except that it makes them feel smart.

    From April 2020 onward I have been presenting the strong perhaps even overwhelming evidence that the disease outbreak was unleashed by an exceptionally reckless American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran).

    Overwhelmingly vacuous:

    [MORE]

    1. Military cover is the least likely cover for the US to use. That’s like trying to sneak into China with a sign saying “search me I am suspicious” written on it

    2. If the Israeli news report was correct or relevant. All of NATO was informed, but none of NATO took action and it is ridiculous to think that a list of 30 countries, including Turkey, would be able to keep it a secret, or even be minded to.

    3. Covid-19 appears to be the most contagious lethal virus in the world. It is absurd to think that it would be used as a bioweapon against the US’s biggest trade partner.

    4. The US not only didn’t have a cure, but didn’t have any idea how to test for it, nor how to treat it in even the most basic manner. People who can develop a complex bioweapon would also do at least some of that.

    5. The US and every other NATO country kept borders open with China, despite supposedly knowing.

    6. Alleging that the US already perpetrated a bioweapons attack to take out the Chinese pig industry is absurd on the face of it. China is not stuck in the Great Leap Forward.

    7. It is somewhat interesting that Iranian politicians got the virus second, at the same time as Italy. The country has various deals with China at the moment and was in election season. This explains it far better than the US sending in a super-Corona, which is speculative in the same way as thinking Martians did it.

    8. You have to be smoking crack to think that the US seeded the world’s most contagious virus into Italy, in the middle of borderless Europe, which makes the Iranian “theory” look boring.

  106. @peterike

    I’m drawn particularly to the stories of people conveniently committing “suicide.”

    Yes. Like Iris Chang who wrote the super-emotional title “Rape of Nanking” (1997) about the 1937 mass rape and slaughter by Japanese soldiers of “between 260,000 and 350,000 Chinese civilians, where torture and gang-rape was commonplace” …

    China has erected a “Holocaust Memorial” with 300,000 in bold on the facade.

    Over three months, she was put on several medications, including Celexa, Abilify, and Risperdal, before she took her life.

    https://www.straight.com/article-394514/vancouver/pills-linked-changs-death

    One problem is that Nanking at that time contained 200 to (max) 250,000 people …
    And there are very many other difficulties, too …
    Sorry Iris, and you were just 36 years old when you put that gun in your mouth …

    https://ww2truth.com/2017/12/02/the-so-called-nanking-massacre-was-a-fabrication/

  107. ebear says:
    @ADKC

    “For reasons to tiresome to explain (and which never convince true-believers), viruses do not really exist (as we understand them), they have never really been isolated, and have never been shown to cause disease. ”

    I see this claim being made all over the place, but never with any supporting evidence. Go ahead and explain it to us please. If credible, I guarantee I won’t find it tiresome. On the contrary, such a theory, if supported by facts, would be of immense interest to me and many others.

    But no, all we ever hear are the claims. If I were to let paranoia rule my thinking, I’d almost believe they were an attempt to discredit the anti-vaxers – a guilt by association strategy – although there are already enough “true-believers” that such an operation would probably be redundant.

    Extracting the general principle, I’d say there’s enough hare-brained conspiracy theories out there to make any intelligence operations along the same lines pale by comparison. This is the curse of citizen journalism: a fervent desire to get at the truth without the underlying skills (or data) to actually make the case.

  108. Reading this reminds me of how venerable we are to deep state tactics in their ability to knock us off with impunity, using any number of pathogens, opioids or mechanical failures at their disposal.

    They know they’re not going to kill everyone, just enough to break us into submission. The stronger variants mixed with the jab will be our final demise.

  109. To Moderator-Editor:

    Could you please provide a full link to the David Irving video presentation? I’ve been trying to watch it without success as the stream is constantly interrupted—likely because so many others are trying to watch it from your servers which are not up to the task.
    Thank you for your consideration in advance.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  110. d dan says:

    As damning as Ron Unz evidences, I think he is still too cautious in his implications and assessments. Readers may find additional info provided by the following links interesting. Sorry I don’t have time to organize them, nor can I write as well as Ron Unz. Also some links here are circularly referenced and info provided may overlaps those already in the article.

    Also, some links regarding Fort Detrick have been removed since 2020.

    —- cold war era research: all forms of WMD (nuclear, bio, chemical) ——-

    From the United States General Accounting Office (i.e. directly from the horse’ mouth)

    Human Experimentation: an overview on cold war era programs:

    [MORE]

    “To date, over 200 radiation tests and experiments have been identified involving over 210,000 test participants involved in a test or experiment… the Army conducted tests of protective clothing and equipment in which thousands of people were exposed to mustard gas and lewisite agents… ”

    http://archive.gao.gov/t2pbat2/152601.pdf

    Cold War Radiation Test on Humans To Undergo a Congressional Review:

    “…conducted experiments on 88 cancer patients, ages 9 to 84, exposing them to intense doses of radiation and recording their physical and mental responses. All but one of the patients were terminally ill and, with the exception of that young woman, have been dead for years. Most were poor; 60 percent were black.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/1994/04/11/us/cold-war-radiation-test-on-humans-to-undergo-a-congressional-review.html

    ——- psychological manipulation and mind controls projects ———-

    “BLUEBIRD blows the whistle on extensive political abuse of psychiatry in North America in the second half of the 20th century. Many thousands of prisoners and mental patients were subjected to unethical mind control experiments by leading psychiatrists and medical schools. Organized academic psychiatry has never acknowledged this history.

    The participation of psychiatrists and medical schools in mind control research was not a matter of a few scattered doctors pursuing questionable lines of investigation. Rather, the mind control experimentation was systematic, organized, and involved many leading psychiatrists and medical schools. The mind control experiments were interwoven with radiation experiments, and research on chemical and biological weapons. They were funded by the CIA, Army, Navy, Air Force, and by other agencies including the Public Health Service and the Scottish Rite Foundation.”

    https://www.wanttoknow.info/bluebird10pg

    Implantable electronic chip mind control, Voice to Skull Technologies, Mind reading technologies, Patents of Mind Control Technologies
    https://www.g-casa.com/conferences/shanghai/paper_pdf/Liu-mindcontrol.pdf

    ALTERED STATES: ‘Bluebird’, CIA Project MK-ULTRA (Part 2) – By Larry Romanoff
    https://rielpolitik.com/2020/07/31/altered-states-bluebird-cia-project-mk-ultra-part-2-by-larry-romanoff/

    ——– Bioweapons uses during Korea War ——-

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/09/cia-intercepts-suggest-us-lied-about-biological-weapon-use-during-its-war-on-korea.html

    During the Korea war U.S. pilots, captured by China, admitted to dropping biological weapons on China. The U.S. long denied the use of biological weapons and claimed that the pilots had been tortured and made false confessions. Decades later secret files were released which proved that the claims the pilots had made had been correct.

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/06/roman-protasevich-casualty-of-the-ryanair-incident-in-belarus-is-spilling-the-beans.html#more

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/09/cia-intercepts-suggest-us-lied-about-biological-weapon-use-during-its-war-on-korea.html

    other links related to bioweapons in Korea War:
    https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/chinas-false-allegations-the-use-biological-weapons-the-united-states-during-the-korean

    https://shadowproof.com/2018/02/22/read-long-suppressed-official-report-us-biological-warfare-north-korea/

    https://jeff-kaye.medium.com/a-real-flood-of-bacteria-and-germs-communications-intelligence-and-charges-of-u-s-4decafdc762

    https://jeff-kaye.medium.com/censored-north-korea-accused-u-s-of-working-with-unit-731-war-criminals-on-bw-attacks-d7fd819ed8b7

    https://jeff-kaye.medium.com/a-concealed-war-crime-u-s-anthrax-bombings-of-china-during-the-korean-war-14782ceb40a9

    ——- use of bioweapon in Caribbean —
    Uses of Syphilis in Guatemalan
    https://www.arcgis.com/apps/MapJournal/index.html?appid=d367e14956a8458eb639304b66892d71#:~:text=%20Guatemala%20Syphilis%20Experiment%20%201%20Overview%20%28Optional%29.,inspired%20by%20the%20U.S.%20Public%20Health…%20More%20

    Attack in Cuba
    https://whowhatwhy.org/2018/05/09/jfk-files-reveal-us-biological-warfare-plans-against-cuba/

    ——– use of bioweapons against its own people ——–

    In 1950, a US Navy ship sprayed a cloud of microbes into the air over San Francisco. The military was testing how a biological weapon attack would affect the 800,000 residents of the city; the testing lasted seven days.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/military-government-secret-experiments-biological-chemical-weapons-2016-9?IR=T

    The infamous Tuskegee experiment to study syphilis started in 1932, but secretly continued until 1972, long after penicillin had been discovered an used to treat this terrible disease.
    It resulted in dozens of participants unnecessarily dying, getting blind or insane, and passing the disease to their wives and children.

    https://www.history.com/news/the-infamous-40-year-tuskegee-study#:~:text=The%20Tuskegee%20experiment%20began%20in%201932%2C%20at%20at,to%20study%20the%20full%20progression%20of%20the%20disease.

    —— info about US bio labs worldwide ——-

    “A USA TODAY Network investigation reveals that hundreds of lab mistakes, safety violations and near-miss incidents have occurred in biological laboratories coast to coast in recent years, putting scientists, their colleagues and sometimes even the public at risk…

    Oversight of biological research labs is fragmented, often secretive and largely self-policing, the investigation found. And even when research facilities commit the most egregious safety or security breaches — as more than 100 labs have — federal regulators keep their names secret.”

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/05/28/biolabs-pathogens-location-incidents/26587505/

    To identify the list of known biolabs in US, use the following link:
    https://www.usatoday.com/pages/interactives/biolabs/

    The researchers at University of North Carolina Chapel Hill manipulated corona viruses to make them more human transmissible.
    “A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence”
    https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

    “The Pentagon Bio-weapons”
    http://dilyana.bg/the-pentagon-bio-weapons/

    other links:
    https://armswatch.com/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=pmd_55179cf1b9d49535ab014d89d47b6ef0a049b020-1626398818-0-gqNtZGzNAg2jcnBszQbO

    “New data leak from the Pentagon biolaboratory in Georgia”
    https://armswatch.com/new-data-leak-from-the-pentagon-biolaboratory-in-georgia/

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2013/09/03/germ-war-the-us-record-2/

    “Pentagon Biological Weapons Program Never Ended: US Bio-labs Around The World” by Dilyana Gaytandzhieva
    https://www.sott.net/article/375723-Pentagon-Biological-Weapons-Program-Never-Ended-US-Bio-labs-Around-The-World

    “Did COVID-19 escape Fort Detrick vaccine trial? Evidence that virus originated in US bioweapons lab” by Larry Romanoff
    https://www.sott.net/article/431324-Did-COVID-19-escape-Fort-Detrick-vaccine-trial-Evidence-that-virus-originated-in-US-bioweapons-lab

    “The Long History of Accidental Laboratory Releases of Potential Pandemic Pathogens Is Being Ignored In the COVID-19 Media Coverage” by Sam Husseini
    https://www.independentsciencenews.org/health/the-long-history-of-accidental-laboratory-releases-of-potential-pandemic-pathogens/

    ——- US research in bats and other animals

    The US scientists studied bats in Eastern Asia (mainly China) and Africa from 2009 to 2019 under the \$200 million USAID Predict program whose primary objective was to exactly predict pandemics. (Click on dots to see what were collected, use left handle to zoom in to map):
    http://data.predict.global/

    “Project G-2101: Pentagon biolab discovered MERS and SARS-like coronaviruses in bats”
    https://armswatch.com/project-g-2101-pentagon-biolab-discovered-mers-and-sars-like-coronaviruses-in-bats/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=3259f36cf71b7145a3d51bee04983ba82041c294-1624600377-0-AeTUsKeqaJXONWrwSQX-_uA7ZDhoMbGC2mDUDfU3PX6lCcipOFeQpguOHap7busNYUQAdqS7BbMkOKv8bKafrVHniUb3qZH6zFlpRmiOnpOMRS8720mSzVvtvELc9cIdBu8Ma7QKgYlEGfcPUDi5haBgWIe1sTz-fpULfIxOthoDwtnNvpsB5cmNiKgx3HiFEb9GVc15TTp7Vjj_aUkKS2JDujBWC-wP79LL78fASDGXiGU60OfIUzoM4SH-DHDCius1fiPksXxiD3SvOMUkRV4TcIRLPIB4PZEZe-vpTBSt_O4JcF6gbgk6eZ4hx1NCTnWlT6Dg2CuJZN51KhPtqKF-dGRZF_nUfqqxdNhs0zcrBg_MnnYswpPWdo0chvEMksPA3nfAqknKIj_hFk5k1KxIR-_opYVm-U3lD3arrN0MgGmn10wJ2kUM8p7G8E_qnaAUq5FZHWSxp4tVtfHtD-A0O39V1ShTB5-GhTKi7OjxVL4eCYnLkowlDoEojeo3V5Cf6HPy12t4BlcW0s8FncJ_EEacdBHQ0nWGsrYHsxc2k5nSm8H_Igva1tKmzYFXwQ

    ——- Chinese sources ——-

    【逸语道破】我从未见过如此厚颜无耻之国!
    https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1yy4y1v7RA?from=search&seid=11037851894139553724

    地狱空荡荡,恶魔在美国!深度揭秘美军比基尼岛绝密核试验兽行
    https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1jB4y1P7v9/?spm_id_from=333.788.recommend_more_video.1

    CIA brainwash project 3:35 Bluebird, Artichoke, Mkultra
    小丑竟是我自己?美国中情局洗脑计划翻车记【乌鸦校尉】
    https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Rf4y1C77C?from=search&seid=5247827979647285600

    There are a lot more links in Chinese, but I don’t have the time to collect them all.

    • Agree: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • Thanks: Schuetze
  111. Ron Unz says:
    @Anonymous

    A blogger named Jeffrey Kaye has done some interesting research recently documenting US biological warfare during the Korean War:

    Thanks for the tip. The name actually sounded a little familiar, and I confirmed that his work was among the many sources Baker cited in his book.

    • Replies: @GayDad69
  112. Schuetze says:
    @Mevashir

    You didn’t answer my question about Bnai Brith. My Grandfather was a Freemason and a pilot in France during WWI.

    [MORE]

    So your parents were at Harvard, the home of Timothy Leary before they moved to Stanford, home of Ken Keasey, where they were researching “cancer cures” and training people from around the world, even communist China before Nixon and Kissinger “opened China”. Nothing to see here.

    I too was a victim of MKUltra, as is practically every American since the Beatles hit the US, or at least since the “Summer of Love”. LSD mind control was developed in LA/San Francisco in the mid 1960’s and taken nation wide at Woodstock (performed on a jew owned farm in the jew run town of Woodstock).

    One of the MKUtra gang at Stanford’s favorite methods was spiking the koolaid for unsuspecting victims. Keasey and Wolf were a part of the Electric Koolaid Acid test where unknowing victims were spiked with LSD, just like the johns visiting Sidney Gottlieb and George Whites bordello’s in Operation Midnight Climax. That you, a jew, got caught up in a very nasty psychological operation that your jewish parents very well might have been involved in could be construed as karmic justice.

    Of course Aleister Crowley was already spiking his curries with Pharmaceutical Mescaline and feeding them to unsuspecting visitors in New York during WWI when he was working as a spy for England trying to drag the US into the first World War for Israel. This kind of Masonic/Tamudic/Kabbalistic mind poisoning has a long, long history.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  113. Dumbo says:
    @haha

    Maybe. But you don’t really need neither complete coordination nor total secrecy for a conspiracy to work.

    Think about 9/11. Was it really just some angry Arabs with box cutters, following orders from some crazy dude in a cave in Afghanistan, and no one else knew about it? Maybe… But probably not. And perhaps we’ll never know what really happened.

    What about the Holocaust? Granted, there was some persecution and murder of Jews, but was it on the “six million” scale? I don’t think so, but you can’t really question it. And perhaps we’ll never know what really happened.

    So, something like Covid, how does it happen? Well, for once, there is an actual disease, even if the level of hysteria about it may be unwarranted. And so it makes sense to “fight against a pandemic”. But, the “plan to combat the pandemic” has been created much before… Waiting for an opportunity to be used. And lots of things in it, are not so much to “fight the pandemic” but for other reasons, too.

    So, I don’t think it’s a “pure conspiracy”, some things are real, some not, but some people “never let a crisis go to waste” and use it for their own ends.

    I think Rahan or some other commenter explained better, in any conspiracy you have three levels of people, the manipulators who create the deception, then the followers who know about it but just go along with it and keep quiet for fear or other reason, then the third level of idiots or true believers who don’t know anything and just believe that they are really “working for the common good.”

    So, I guess with Covid too, we’ll never know “what really happened”.

    • Replies: @haha
  114. Schuetze says:
    @Mevashir

    Thanks Mevashir. Please ignore my question below your comment here and above this reply.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  115. Mevashir says:
    @Schuetze

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-waging-biological-warfare/#comment-4830403

    The Chinese graduate students came over after Nixon went to China in 1973. So you can set aside that paranoia.

    To my parents’ credit, they would not allow me to attend peace marches or any other public events where drugs were being used indiscriminately. My father was quite conservative in his worldview. He was the only professor I knew of at Stanford who voted for Nixon against McGovern.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  116. GayDad69 says:
    @Ron Unz

    A lady by the name of Wendy S. Painting wrote a book about Timothy McVeigh which – based on interviews with people who met him, his family, and witnesses at the OKC bombing – alleges there was at least FBI foreknowledge of the bombing and that McVeigh was involved in something the FBI called PatCon, or Patriot Conspiracy. There’s quite a lot to unpack in the book so instead I’ll link it to you, along with a podcast that gives a somewhat lengthy rundown of it.

    Aberration in the Heartland of the Real: The Secret Lives of Timothy McVeigh
    By Wendy S. Painting

    https://b-ok.cc/book/5946636/5fc65f

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  117. @Ron Unz

    Amazon bought Abe Books a few years ago.

    I now prefer ThriftBooks.com. To best of my knowledge, ThriftBooks is Bezosfree.

  118. anonymous[651] • Disclaimer says:
    @Andreas

    I’d guess the loss of their primacy would be a good reason. Covid was a failed Hail Mary pass.

  119. @d dan

    Congratulations on this impressive list, d dan.

    Truth is Truth, and it must be said that China building a Holocaust Memorial to a lie is very disappointing in those of us who have come to expect better of China.
    Certainly better that the murderous Crime Cartel known as USA.
    Where did China learn that trick, do you suppose ?

    Just fixing a “troll” marker on my brief post on Iris Chang’s fantasy doesn’t change reality, dan. It is certainly likely that that poor woman was mentally as well as emotionally unbalanced and no doubt the pills didn’t help as her mother said.

    China is not adding to her reputation by promoting an obvious and malicious lie.
    It will not be to China’s benefit to do this.
    If you have any influence, please ask them to carefully consider this.
    Thank you.

    • Disagree: GomezAdddams
    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • Replies: @d dan
  120. Thanks, Mr. Unz. Could you please do an deeper dive on Dr. Fauci and the trail of human misery in his wake over four decades?

  121. Ron Unz says:
    @GayDad69

    A lady by the name of Wendy S. Painting wrote a book about Timothy McVeigh which – based on interviews with people who met him, his family, and witnesses at the OKC bombing – alleges there was at least FBI foreknowledge of the bombing and that McVeigh was involved in something the FBI called PatCon, or Patriot Conspiracy.

    Sure. Just a few months ago, I read a couple of books on the Oklahoma City Bombing by one of the local officers assigned to investigate it, and although he was too “conspiratorial” for my tastes, there seem to be an enormous numbers of exceptionally suspicious elements in the official story. Lots of other pretty knowledgeable people have been 100% sure the official story was false, though they argue a great deal about what might have really happened. I checked with some else whose opinion I respect, and he was also sure the official story wasn’t true.

    So overall, I’d say I’m probably 70%-80% sure things didn’t happen as officially claimed, but it was almost 30 years ago and has mostly been forgotten, and I’m not interested enough to bother investigating it, while I doubt I could add anything new even if I did.

    • Replies: @GayDad69
    , @lysias
  122. Ron Unz says:
    @David from Alaska

    Could you please provide a full link to the David Irving video presentation? I’ve been trying to watch it without success as the stream is constantly interrupted—likely because so many others are trying to watch it from your servers which are not up to the task.

    Unfortunately, that Bitchute video is the only link I have, which someone put up a couple of years ago I think. If you want, here’s the raw link—just remove the xxx:

    httpsxxx://www.bitchute.com/embed/C9z1fCgUn5If/

    However, someone upthread did provide a different video link to the short portion of the Irving lecture dealing with the poison gas and anthrax issues:

    https://brandnewtube.com/watch/churchill-alcohol-and-anthrax-david-irving_F9bu1Xdq7JKELRs.html

  123. GayDad69 says:
    @Ron Unz

    It’s a lot worse than that according to this book. Just listen to that podcast while you mow the lawn or something to see for yourself.

    Off the top of my head…

    McVeigh showed signs of autism, which are often used in FBI entrapment schemes. He also was a self-taught computer hacker as a kid so he was known to the FBI before he enlisted.

    He told his sister that he was part of a special forces group whose job was to penetrate and arrest right wing or white supremacist groups.

    He told his first set of lawyers that he was recruited while in the national guard, and that the bomb was just supposed to blow some windows, and he thought the trucks were switched. One of the lawyers, an ex infantry marine vet who fought in Vietnam, quit the case and went into hiding.

    The bomb was actually impossible to transport as made, it was leftover trash. Had it actually worked as designed it would have exploded at the first pothole.

    This is just the first 20 minutes of the podcast. It gets worse.

    • Replies: @GayDad69
    , @Ron Unz
  124. and resolve various longstanding controversies such as the Katyn Forest Massacre

    The fact that the Katyn Forest Massacre was ever controversial speaks volumes about the power of propaganda. A simple look at a map would have debunked the Allies’ version. Hint: Katyn is near Smolensk. That’s east of not only WW2 Poland, but present day Belarus.

  125. GayDad69 says:
    @GayDad69

    The autism stuff, what he told his sister, and the oddities about the bomb that should have either not worked at all or left a smoking crater in one of Oklahoma’s pot-hole filled roads occurs later in the podcast, that’s just what I remembered before I relistened to it to jog by memory. I should have clarified that.

  126. @Ron Unz

  127. BlackFlag says:
    @Mike Fridelle

    What is to stop some nefarious billionaire from building a research lab and hiring some angry, far-left geneticist.

    Worse, what if a measly millionaire could do it? Dramatically increases the probability. Cheapening WMDs pretty much guarantees the trend of creeping totalitarianism will increase.

  128. lysias says:
    @Ron Unz

    My recollection is that it came out, before McVeigh was executed, that his defense was denied evidence that it should have been provided under the Brady rule. I believe that there should at least have been a redo of the penalty phase of his trial. There wasn’t. Instead, there was an indecent rush to execute him.

  129. haha says:
    @Dumbo

    It is quite conceivable that Covid, whatever its origins, presented itself as an opportunity to many of the world’s leaders to tighten control over their citizens. Thus, if the response to Covid unfolded pretty much the same way all over the world (“Where are your vaxx papers, citizen?”) it was not because of conspiracy among all leaders but simply because they all “Never let the crisis go to waste”. That part was explained very well by you.

    The way the world reacted to – and changed – post 9/11 has many similarities to the changes being brought about by responses to Covid. Twenty years ago we cheerfully embraced body searches and needing to go shoeless in airports; now we are calling for mandatory vaccinations, compulsory masks, and hundreds of other compulsions, penalties, and restrictions.

  130. d dan says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    “China is not adding to her reputation by promoting an obvious and malicious lie.”

    Nanjing Massacre is a fact, the evidences are overwhelming and not restricted to Iris Chang’s book.

    BTW, her other book Thread Of The Silkworm about Qian Xuesen is very well researched and balanced – which proves that she was a serious and competent person. I know you like to lick Japanese boot (“honorable”, “restrained”, “conservative” blah, blah), but let the poor woman and her family a rest, would you?

    p/s: This thread is about bioweapon, in case you forget.

    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
  131. Millions of GI’s from at least 1947 to the present day were receiving CBR Training in Boot Camp.

    “C B R” = Chemical – Biological – Radiological

    That was the meme impressed on us raw recruits at Ft. Ord in 1961. Class after class after class; then field training and mock-ups.

    Why?

    Because those were the weapons the US military was going to USE in any conflict, and we, as raw recruits needed to be ready to function on the battlefield under those conditions.

    Gas Mask training was mandatory and thorough. Going through the maze in the smoke-filled building; mask ON you get out; panic and rip the mask OFF and you die.

    Gas mask training and use was more important then than rifle marksmanship or hand-to-hand combat training; mask up FIRST and complete the mission – regardless of conditions; no mask and the mission fails. And without the mask, YOU die.

    Hell – I was even dumb enough to offer my arm for a Mustard Gas demonstration in Basic Training. I still wear that little round, ¼” diameter skin burn on the inside of my right forearm today – 60 years later.

    The Cold War was ON. Nothing changed during NCO Academy training at Ft. Riley in 1964 – except the Cold War was even HOTTER! And CBR training was MORE intense.

    All that “CBR history” with no mention of Dugway Proving Ground and the ‘6,000 sheep kill’?

    Anyone born before the War who lived during the Cold War knows most all this CBR history stuff already. We’ve lived with it.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  132. Matt B says:

    I think Mr Unz managed to hit on most of the historical cases of BW and the ugliest side of MKULTRA that I’ve stumbled upon in hundreds of hours of internet trawling,

    one underground project I did find was a documentary series called Evidence of Revision,

    it uses a vast archive of tv and news reel clips, some not seen since their original broadcast, to go back over the assassinations of JFK, MLK & RFK,

    in the 2nd half of Part 5 it goes into MKULTRA and the Jonestown Massacre, another deeply disturbing episode in US history that has never been satisfactorily explained,

    if anyone goes to the trouble of watching this collection in it’s entirety they’ll likely come out of it deeply suspiscious of anything and everything the USG says or does.

  133. BlackFlag says:
    @Rose

    Reminds me of the Japanese operation where they floated balloons across the Pacific towards USA in order to randomly bomb the US and cause terror. To me, always seemed a ridiculous plan. But maybe a more plausible plan would be to use the balloons to spread disease; the bombs being decoys. Just a thought.

    https://www.history.com/news/attack-of-japans-killer-wwii-balloons-70-years-ago

    • Replies: @Carlton Meyer
  134. @d dan

    Well done dan. Anyone with any knowledge of the true record of Evil committed by the US elites over 200 years could not doubt that germ warfare is as American as apple pie, solitary confinement, water-boarding, A-bombs, napalm, incendiary bombs, cluster bombs designed to look like childs’ toys, mass incarceration, Agents Orange, White, Purple etc, small-pox infected blankets etc. One could go on all day. The greatest and most intractable force for EVIL in all history.

  135. sbio says:
    @Anon

    To those people who continue to spout that the SAR2 virus does not exist, here is the genome, sequenced by Indian Scientists in January 2020. Their findings of four HIV insertions was also confirmed by Dr. Luc Montagnier, Nobel Laureate for the discovery of HIV.

    SARS2 is a genetically engineered virus. The genome exists; therefore it exists.

    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/suppressed-science-indicates-covid-19-man-made-jenna-luche-thayer/

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @S0S
  136. @BlackFlag

    The only thing that stops science in the hands of a bad man is science in the hands of a good man.

    Restore science and technology teaching in the schools and at the universities that have been degraded into social clubs for the scions of the elite and neo-communist brainwashing machines for the hoi polloi, and they will produce scientists capable of more than the current “vaccine” crap.

  137. @Arthur MacBride

    Oh dear-how viciously slimy can you get? A REAL Holocaust deniers. A denier of the barbarity, the murders, rapes, burials alive, live bayonet practise etc. What drives this filth? I suspect that racist Sinophobic hatred that has the vilest vermin in the West in a frenzy of pre-genocidal fury.

    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
  138. Fr33man says:

    Covid-1984 is a Zioinist biowarfare attack against America (and the West) using China as a proxy. Since the international Jewish oligarchy that funded both sides of every war from Napoleon to WW2 and which has been directing affairs in Wall St & Washington ever since, had already transferred most of America’s industrial capacity and manufacturing base to China, they decided to release a real but mostly non-lethal bio-virus in order to orchestrate a media manufactured fake pandemic as a pretext to take down America and the free world before they jump ship and attach themselves to another host, the emerging Chinese superpower.

    For proof of this thesis, just watch closely (and weep) over the coming years as Biden kowtows to China like a blackmailed pedophile under the control of his inner circle of predominantly Jewish advisors and sells out the rest of whatever remains of America to the emerging superpower in the East.

  139. @Ray Caruso

    This is why the Russians say we are *not agreement capable*

  140. JLK says:

    Good article. The psy-ops angle in the Korean War allegations, as opposed to real use, is quite possible, although it wasn’t too many years after Hiroshima. Biotech was primitive back then by today’s standards. Today, and this is something I found scrubbed from the Internet decades ago, it’s quite possible that selective viruses can be engineered to be more transmissible or deadly for people having specific sequences, which may translate into targeted phenotypes. It may also be possible to engineer the effects to a surprising level of detail. Look at what biotech has done for agriculture.

    I don’t see much evidence so far that the COVID virus acts as such, but the data is still being collected. Some of it, such as long term effects on fertility, won’t be known for a long time.

    I doubt from the entirety of the fact pattern that we’re getting the complete story about what our own government knows about the origin of this virus, or what other variants may be out there in the hands of the potentially malicious. The large-scale mitigation measures were very expensive for a virus where mortality is a fraction of one percent of those infected. I raised the possibility a few weeks ago that a scenario where they know something similar but more deadly leaked from a lab might fit the scenario. The vaccines may be prophylaxis against known lab-created strains that are genetically similar.

    Remember the stories about the unprofessional climate at Ft. Detrick after the anthrax attacks, like the hazing of the Arab-American researcher? They don’t inspire confidence that our own labs are leak-proof.

    • Agree: thotmonger
  141. @profnasty

    ‘All the other stuff, the love, the democracy, the floundering into lust, is a sort of by-play. The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic and a killer. It has never yet melted’. DH Lawrence. I’d find a different world for ‘soul’ however.

  142. Mevashir says:
    @Schuetze

    Thank you for all the information you have shared. I had heard of Sidney Gottlieb but I had no idea what a nefarious piece of scheiß he truly was. I suppose he could be a poster child for the evil Jew. He makes Dr Mengele look like a boy scout.

    I used to tell my father that his Jewish gene-manipulating colleagues are far worse than Dr. Mengele ever was. He hated hearing that and called me a Neo-Nazi and eventually disinherited me. But this Sidney Gottlieb certainly fits the bill of one of the most evil and perverse Jewish scientists I’ve ever heard of.

    You might be onto something about my father. When I was in the infirmary after the drugging incident, my mother wanted him to fly out to Harvard to visit me. I wanted his help to track down the graduate student who had thrown the party, to confront him, and to find out what really happened there. But my father refused to come out, offering some lame excuse. To this day 40 years later he refuses to discuss the whole incident with me.

    [MORE]

    When I was a kid I used to visit his laboratory at Stanford. The Stanford Medical School basement was where they kept the experimental animals. Cages and cages of cats dogs and monkeys with electrodes drilled into their heads and protruding through their skulls. Pathetically mewing or barking. It was like a scene out of a horror movie.

    I tend to favor the perspective of the Unabomber that technology is almost universally evil. There may be a few beneficial offshoots, but I think in aggregate most scientific research is put to destructive ends and certainly is financed by evil and destructive agencies.

    You could argue that technology gives us the blessings of the Unz review. But it seems that most of what we read here is simply trying to keep up with the bad guys. There’s nothing positive that comes out of the Unz review. It’s a constant postmortem of human depravity.

    We’d all be a lot better off living with the innocence of the Polynesians on their Pacific island paradises. The very places the Christian missionaries go to and when they see the people walking around virtually naked start screaming that they’re evil and need to be exposed to Western religion. I suspect the Polynesian natives don’t even know what evil is. One thing I’ve learned from Christians is the more they talk about love the less they actually demonstrate it in their own lives or are able to share it with others.

    Shitknee Rotpeeve

    • Replies: @JLK
    , @Schuetze
  143. jadan says:

    The matter of bioweapons has come to the forefront because a professor of international law at the University of Illinois, one Dr. Francis Boyle, announced in February, 2020. that the coronavirus was a bioweapon. Boyle is a credible source of information on bioweapons, having drafted the 1989 Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act which was signed into law by Bush the Elder. Unfortunately for Boyle, he is an honest man who denied that the 2001 anthrax “attack” was perpetrated by Arab terrorists, since the quality of the weaponized material could have only been produced domestically. He has been blackballed ever since. He has a couple of books in print and is an authority of larger stature than the individuals you mention, yet you don’t seem to know his name. Why is that?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @JLK
  144. @Tono Bungay

    finding only a book priced at \$500 is hard to accept;

    Amazon offers Irving’s Churchill’s War, Part 1 in paperback at \$903 (plus shipping)

    do wealthy elites buy Irving’s books at any price?
    If all the white supremacists in every red state emptied their wallets, would they come up with \$903 to buy a book?

  145. JLK says:
    @Mevashir

    When I was a kid I used to visit his laboratory at Stanford. The Stanford Medical School basement was where they kept the experimental animals. Cages and cages of cats dogs and monkeys with electrodes drilled into their heads and protruding through their skulls. Pathetically mewing or barking. It was like a scene out of a horror movie.

    I tend to favor the perspective of the Unabomber that technology is almost universally evil. There may be a few beneficial offshoots, but I think in aggregate most scientific research is put to destructive ends and certainly is financed by evil and destructive agencies.

    Do you think quality of life was better before primates learned to use simple tools? Maybe for the termites they couldn’t reach without a stick.

    • Troll: Schuetze
    • Replies: @Jack McArthur
  146. @BlackFlag

    Reminds me of the Japanese operation where they floated balloons across the Pacific towards USA in order to randomly bomb the US and cause terror. To me, always seemed a ridiculous plan.

    These bombs were incendiaries designed to start forest fires. But proper forest management back then prevented major fires. If used today they’d be very effective. There is little news coverage of the annual and preventable mass forest fires in the West, whose smoke greatly contributes to the air pollution that some say will cause global warming.

    You’d think there would be a massive logging effort to once again cut wide firebreaks, clear brush from the side of paved roads to serve as fire breaks, urban planning (tree limits), organized burns ect. But no news and little effort as crazed leaders just blame global warming.

    • Replies: @BlackFlag
  147. @d dan

    In respect for the dead I will discontinue this exchange as you suggest.

    The facts on Nanking are very far from settled and I repeat that your country is doing itself a great disservice by following a blatant lie.

    Far from your juvenile remark about licking boots, I wish you well.

    And remind you — Truth will always emerge.

    • Replies: @Joe Wong
  148. Bookish1 says:

    This may be off topic but what happened to the bed bug scare? We were all suppose to have it by now.

  149. Anon[103] • Disclaimer says:
    @sbio

    Abstract

    This paper has been withdrawn by its authors. They intend to revise it in response to comments received from the research community on their technical approach and their interpretation of the results. If you have any questions, please contact the corresponding author.

    Nice.

  150. S0S says:
    @Melvin

    In the 1990s the New Yorker magazine had an extensive interview with Ken Alibek, leading Soviet biological warfare chief (can’t remember which issue). He detailed the history of biological warfare experiments in the Soviet Union.

    Ref: Interview with Dr. Kanatjan Alibekov, (Ken Alibek)

    The article was in the Annals of Warfare section of the The New Yorker, March 9, 1998 P. 52, entitled The Bioweaponeers by Richard Preston

    A reprint of the full article is in the Senate Congressional Record Volume 144, Number 26 (Thursday, March 12, 1998)

  151. @JLK

    The classic example I suppose was Ancient Egypt which took hundreds of years to integrate technological innovations into the mainstream. The young American genius who invented an all electronic TV system turned against the medium quickly when he recognised that it was a tool for the destroyer of cultures.

    • Replies: @JLK
  152. The numerous articles in my series have now been viewed more than 350,000 times…

    To put this in perspective, my niece has been on YouTube documenting life on the farm — starting last October or so. Her most recent video of two weeks ago has been viewed 65,000 times and total views of her videos are in the millions…

    Those who are interested in alternative views like those at unz.com are in a small club. While I appreciate these views, I do realize that it is a small club.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  153. Thank’s Ron. I did not know any of those facts and allegations. Some people are really bad. It’s hard to believe. The mainstream medias typically focus on just one story at a time and then they will repeat the same things for weeks. How much will they cover in a whole year? Not much. One needs to read Russian or other foreign media to get the larger picture.

    So what are those US research labs really doing all over the world in Kasakhstan, Georgia, etc?

    https://journal-neo.org/2021/08/06/what-viruses-are-being-studied-by-u-s-military-bio-laboratories-in-kazakhstan/

  154. @Mike Tre

    Agreed, instead of thinking China vs USA vs Russia vs EU vs “the global south”,

    think: the “Powerful & Privileged” vs the Plebs.

    The mrna shots are a far more comprehensive delivery system.

  155. JLK says:
    @Jack McArthur

    The basic problem as I see things is that human systems such as governments haven’t advanced at anywhere near that of technology, if they have advanced at all.

    Probably started with the Gatling gun.

  156. Art says:

    Clearly if this was an US government biological attack on China – then it was a Jew guided operation. Jews control all our security operations – not a crossed ‘t” or a dotted “i” happens in US security operations without Jew knowledge. The suspected US operators in this article are all neocons who work for Israel – not America. End of story.

    China and Iran were the two countries biologically attacked. They are Israel’s main enemies. China is the only threat to Jew domination of world economic affairs. China threatens world-wide Jew oligarch money. China does not fear the Jews like the elite of the West does. Iran is an old-world tribal enemy that has war making power. Therefor it must be destroyed. The Jew credo is kill first. It is their stated creed.

    There have been many articles on Israeli biological warfare. Israel had to be in the Covic know. They have been at biological warfare for over 50 years. All the knowledge that the US government had on biological warfare – Israel was sure to have.

    Hmm — Israel was early at claiming a Covic vaccine. Israel was the first to get everyone vaccinated. Pfizer was the first with a vaccine – and is Jew controlled.

    If America is involved in this evil – one way or another Jews own Covic.

    It is time we name and go after the real bad guys in our country. The Jews.

  157. Ron Unz says:
    @GayDad69

    The bomb was actually impossible to transport as made, it was leftover trash. Had it actually worked as designed it would have exploded at the first pothole.

    I really don’t want to help divert this thread to off-topic issues, but there seemed to be several dozen huge flaws in the OKC Bombing story.

    The biggest ones that stuck in my mind were that several bomb experts said it was totally impossible for the purported home-made explosives in the truck parked outside to have destroyed the building in the way it did, and only bombs inside could have done the damage. Moreover, the emergency crews that entered said that they found several unexploded bombs within, which they had to defuse. The seismic readings showed several large explosions rather than just one. Many, many other examples of this sort of thing.

    Back a few months ago I’d given some thought to doing an article on OKC, but decided I’d probably have to read 3-4 additional books, and since OKC is almost forgotten these days, nobody would be very interested.

    I’ll try to make these my final remarks on OKC in this thread.

  158. JLK says:
    @Ron Unz

    to have destroyed the building in the way it did, and only bombs inside could have done the damage.

    Not the last time that happened.

  159. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Have you ever considered the possibility that you are insane, Manglebrain ?

    I mean, a real yoyo and loop-the-loop ?

    I used to think you were somewhat amusing with your unvaried rabid antifa blather, the UR resident Loony Leftist, an old down and out panhandling for small change with the same patter, same vicious poisonous spite posing as universal leftist love …

    So I decided, rather overdue, to put you on Ignore.

    Have a Nice Day.

  160. This is why I am a Misanthrope.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
  161. Ron Unz says:
    @jadan

    The matter of bioweapons has come to the forefront because a professor of international law at the University of Illinois, one Dr. Francis Boyle, announced in February, 2020. that the coronavirus was a bioweapon…He has a couple of books in print and is an authority of larger stature than the individuals you mention, yet you don’t seem to know his name. Why is that?

    Sure, I’m familiar with Boyle. But he’s a law professor lacking (as far as I know) any serious scientific background in virology or microbiology.

    If you followed the story or read my articles, you’d know that anti-China propagandists had claimed that Covid was a Chinese bioweapon almost from the moment the outbreak began. Then someone came and did a video interview with Boyle, in which he (rather ignorantly and foolishly) said exactly the same thing, denouncing it as a Chinese bioweapon. Since Boyle is a prominent liberal, that allowed all the rightwing anti-China propagandists to promote his stupid remarks far and wide, providing them a fig-leaf of bipartisanship. Frankly, he seriously damaged his credibility by his irresponsible remarks, which were based upon ZERO evidence.

    You really might want to take a look at some of my Covid articles, linked at the bottom of this one.

    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
    , @jadan
    , @Antiwar7
  162. Iva says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    I live not far from MD and in May 2019 I was very , very sick for a week ,like never in my life. I couldn’t get up from bed and didn’t eat all week. Just taking bottles of colloidal silver.

    • Replies: @Ed Case
  163. Ron Unz says:
    @boomeritis

    To put this in perspective, my niece has been on YouTube documenting life on the farm — starting last October or so. Her most recent video of two weeks ago has been viewed 65,000 times and total views of her videos are in the millions…

    I’m sure that’s absolutely true. I think lots of teenage TikTok stars have done videos on their make-up tricks that have racked up many millions of views.

    There’s simply a gigantic gap between the number of people interested in reading serious non-fiction about public policy issues and the number interested in watching videos on far less weighty subjects. I think 50,000 sales will put a non-fiction book into the “best seller” category, while before Covid super-hero movies might sell tens of millions of tickets.

    • Replies: @GayDad69
  164. GayDad69 says:
    @Ron Unz

    OKC is related to PATCON, and PATCON seems like a blueprint or first effort at the post-9/11 security state and especially like the Deep State efforts to squash Trump and nationalists in general.

    The methods used against nationalists in the 90s were refined against Muslims in the 2000s and perfected in neutering left wing opposition to globalism.

    Many of the exact same people were involved: Comey, the Clintons, numerous other FBI agents (some who were involved in impeachment proceedings against Trump) and journalists (translation: secret police informers and propagandists), Bush cronies, quack psychiatrists trying to make assassins out of unmedicated schizophrenics (an old mob tactic) with drugs, trauma, and hypnosis, Gulf War syndrome related autoimmune diseases caused by experimental vaccines and exposure to environmental pollutants…

    It all starts with McVeigh. He was the original test dummy (emphasis on dummy) for all this.

    To unravel it all you need a loose string, and the Deep State’s reticence regarding anything OKC related is a tell. If OKC is revealed as a lie, then 1/6 can be too. People like Glen Greenwald and Tucker Carlson can then mainstream your work, bringing down an entire wall in the media’s fortress, which opens up new opportunities.

    Things will not get better for any of us until the truth is revealed.

  165. JLK says:
    @jadan

    It’s pretty clear that those who direct the spin writers have teeth when an expert steps forward to contradict the preferred narrative.

    I’m surprised that the dialogue about the bioweapon possibility hasn’t included more detail about what may be possible in this day and age. Aren’t we all curious about what added functionality this virus or future variants could potentially have? To the extent there is any discussion, most of it is examples from WWII or the Cold War.

    The possibility of targeted gene bioweapons was being raised by experts over 20 years ago. See for example, Block, Steven M. “Living nightmares: Biological threats enabled by molecular biology.” The new terror: Facing the threat of biological and chemical weapons (1999): 39-75.

    How far has technology advanced since then? As I mentioned previously, there are plenty of analogues in agro biotechnology used commercially. Here’s another paper worth reading from ~20 years ago (see in particular pp. 17-22):

    https://fas.org/irp/threat/cbw/nextgen.pdf

    Consider the prospect of blackmail discussed on p.21.

  166. sally says:
    @SafeNow

    The US government lies about everything, always has, and always will. <==humm..

    The USG can netierh lie or tell the truth. Only those humans associated with operations conducted under color of government, can lie. Upon becoming a member of the hall of power, the politician in charge is made to sign non disclosure national defense agreements, and many seem to be easily Epsteinized (controlled by threat of exposure for unbecoming behavior). Both the NDA and the Epstein evidence, prevent the truth to issue from the months of the governors; personal consequences prevent it. Where in the constitution is the politicians or high ranking member of government, given the power or the authority to conduct their activities in private and to express their actions in contravention to the truth? I think we can assign the source of that authority, not to the constitution, but to to the parties that lurk behind the scene of the political government ( the Oligarch and his or her leg breaker, monopoly powered, privately owned, corporations).

    It is the responsibility of the governed to uncover and to deal with that hidden powers. (Hence UNZ).

    The part I cannot get a handle on, is whether or not Epstein evidence is a condition demanded of persons who are allowed to man the halls of power? If so, who makes such demands?

    What is interesting to me is that Article II of the US constitution grants to a single person the power to deal in all foreign affairs and to manage all non legislative and non judicial domestic affairs. . A few members of the house and senate share knowledge of the presidential power but have no power themselves to control such matters.

  167. GayDad69 says:
    @Ron Unz

    There’s simply a gigantic gap between the number of people interested in reading serious non-fiction about public policy issues and the number interested in watching videos on far less weighty subjects. I think 50,000 sales will put a non-fiction book into the “best seller” category, while before Covid super-hero movies might sell tens of millions of tickets.

    I am trained in computer programming and my hobbies include enraging people at scale, so perhaps I can bridge the marketing gap for you.

    You need to engage with the shitposters. They are smart and driven, and can understand your writings. They are media saavy and masters of rhetoric: whatever obstacles exist for you in packaging your findings in easy-to-digest chunks they can easily overcome with a bit of lateral thinking and visuo-spatial intuition (memes).

    One in particular comes to mind, a Croatian who grew up in Canada and Boston, who goes by the name of Fisted by Foucault (a sly reference to the philosophers homosexual pederasty). He has a Substack which brings him quite a lot of money, and his specialty is raucous interviews of iconoclasts across the political spectrum.

    His Substack is here:
    https://niccolo.substack.com/people/9090889-niccolo-soldo

    You will need a Substack account to contact him. Substack by the way is basically WordPress with paywall-able articles for actual journalists, writers, teachers, and other text-based content creators. Though I doubt you need it you could make 5 figures from it yearly, and it is full of free-thinking literary types.

    A good example of his interviewing style is the one with Curtis Yarvin:
    https://niccolo.substack.com/p/the-agrigento-interviews-curtis-moldbug

    Speaking of Curtis, you should consider reaching out to him, to go on the podcast circuit, to aid you in marketing (or direct you to those who can aid you), and to learn more about the distributed censorship-resistant internet software stack he is developing. The latter is called Urbit, and if you don’t know about it already it is I think something you can make useful contributions to and benefit from.

    Substack has another advantage: there is very little noise and a lot of signal. You don’t need to sort though a huge volume of crap to speak to the influencers, and there are no non-obvious psyops like you find on Gab, Poa.st, or Parler. Your message will filter down from the influencers to the common masses of shitposters, namefag and anon alike, and they will work like microbes to repurpose your work into praxis.

  168. as much in the breech as the observance

    It’s a breach, like a breach of contract. Like break.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  169. @Melvin

    Plague Wars by Mangold and Goldberg covers Ken Alibek’s story and much more relating to the USSR’s/Russia’s massive and massively illegal offensive biowar program. They produced and stored vast quantities of deadly pathogens, more than enough to make North America permanently uninhabitable, and perfected an ICBM-MIRV delivery system. Some of it probably remains on-line today.

    When their American counterparts found out about it in the 1990s they were furious and determined to one-up the Russians. Conveniently, the 2001 anthrax deception boosted the biowar budget 1000% overnight and created the biowar-industrial complex behind the neocon COVID attack on China.

    • Thanks: Schuetze, Tor597
    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  170. Biff says:
    @Ron Unz

    Back a few months ago I’d given some thought to doing an article on OKC, but decided I’d probably have to read 3-4 additional books, and since OKC is almost forgotten these days, nobody would be very interested.

    The “interested” wouldn’t mind if you did do an article.

    • Agree: James N. Kennett
  171. Did China weaponize the standard C-19 treatment before the worldwide virus outbreak?

    The February 18, 2020 issue of the so-called definitive medical journal, Lancet, contained an article “Pathological Finding of COID-19 Associated with Acute Respiratory Syndrome”. LINK
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30076-X/fulltext

    The 18 authors of the article are all associated with Wuhan University in China, where the coronavirus is suspected of starting.

    Dr. Claus Kohnlein, MD, author of the book Virus Mania, points out in an interview that the model treatments prescribed in the article are “toxic” and suppress the immune system, especially the application of cortisone and interferons which reduce inflammation but “stops the defense mechanism”. Lopinavir and Ritonavir, both AIDS treatments were further prescribed which Kohnlein called “toxic stuff . It is Kohnlein’s opinion that this treatment protocol is “malpractice”. Interview here in German with English subtitles: https://vimeo.com/404203138

    Use of cortisone is prevalent in Italian hospitals (see “Use of Corticosteroids in Coronavirus Disease 2019 Pneumonia”, Frontiers in Medicine, April 24, 2020). There are indications that C-19 patients have been treated with steroids in New York (here, here, here, here, here, here). Sixteen of the 76 treatment regimens (21%) used to treat coronavirus prescribe interferons.

    The above was the established standard of care for coronavirus around the world at the onset of the epidemic. So the treatment method was also weaponized?

    The Lancet has received significant funding from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation https://www.hqsscommission.org/funding/

  172. @Carlton Meyer

    Fort Debrick following WWII ( the big one) paid big money for the Japanese biological studies conducted in Harbin China years 1937-1945 and the Japanese were using all kinds of biological weapons on the Chinese —most were anthrax related —spread by feathers. Oddly enough the Japanese who were at Harbin in Unit 731 later surfaced in Fort Detrick after WWII and continued working or contributing. Their joint work with feathers and anthrax later appeared again North Korea 1951. One unwitting pilot dropping these bundles of toxins was shot down and captured but was NOT aware of what cargo he was unloading. “What the hell am I going to tell my son when I return to America–your father is a monster?” In reality –this pilot was led to believe by his higher ups that his payload was Food for starving civilians. Last question—why were those Japanese at Fort Detrick not tried as War Criminals??

  173. @Ron Unz

    Tho ONLY countries with Direct Expericnce using Biological Weapons are the Japaniese followed by the USA —-began by Japanese Harbin China Unit 731 and fololwing WWII the Japanese “scientists” appear in USA at Fort Detrick continuing their work and biolgical weapons again appear in North Korea 1951 and thingns from here have never looked back———You make and “plant” the virus and then blame the victim—and NEWS media does the Cover ” China is the Sick Man of the World” an d just like the bik and MH Flight —Fox and CNN know ALL —30 seconds following the shoot down and the outbreak–on USA Mainline TV—- ALL known–perfect script–Gold Medal for the “Macabre Olympics”–perfect execution and performance worth a 10???.

  174. @GomezAdddams

    The great Australian journalist, Wilfred Burchett, was one of the first into Japanese cities nuked by Uncle Satan. He warned the world of the ‘plague’ of radiation sickness. He also knew of Unit 731, and its leader, Shiro Ishii, and when he became aware that Shiro was in southern, fascist occupied, Korea in 1950 or 51, he knew that something very dirty was afoot. I believe plague was used by Unit 731 more than anthrax. And they used not just feathers, but arthropods as well, and spiders and insects were discovered to be being used as vectors.

    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
  175. @Kevin Barrett

    Alibeck is a defector who relies on his new controllers for his continued existence. Believing defectors is simply silly. Lies about ‘massive’ Soviet programs (Novichok anybody?) serve only to justify the very real and unrelenting US bio-warfare effort.

  176. @Badger Down

    Perhaps he meant ‘breech’ as in breech birth ie arse about. There is an awful lot of it, nowadays.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  177. Mehen says:
    @GayDad69

    Fully agree. I do believe Ron would be wise to seriously consider your suggestions.

    • Thanks: GayDad69
  178. So given that Mr Unz has taken a close look at US biowarfare in the 1950s, does this mean we’ll get his indepth and interested look into covid in 2090? 😉

  179. @Dumbo

    White man speaks with forked tongue. Sometimes true sometimes false. Reservation agent. A word to the wise is sufficient.

  180. denk says:

    I seldom bother with vid, but when i do….

  181. utu says:

    Milton Leitenberg wrote several articles analyzing documents from Soviet archives

    [MORE]

    New Russian Evidence on the Korean War Biological Warfare Allegations: Background and Analysi
    https://www.cpp.edu/~zywang/leitenberg.pdf

    “For Mao Zedong

    The Soviet Government and the Central Committee of the CPSU were misled. The spread in the press of information about the use by the Americans of bacteriological weapons in Korea was based on false information. The accusations against the Americans were fictitious.”

    -Resolution of the Presidium of the Council of Ministers of the USSR about letters to the Ambassador of the USSR in the PRC, V.V. Kuznetsov, and to the Chargé d’Affaires of the USSR in the DPRK, S.P. Suzdalev, 2 May 1953.

    False Allegations of U.S. Biological Weapons Use during the Korean War (Chapter 6) by Milton Leitenberg
    https://cissm.umd.edu/sites/default/files/2019-07/leitenberg_biological_weapons_korea.pdf

    “Moreover, in 2002, analysis was carried out under U.S.-Chinese collaboration in the United States of some 200 samples of B. anthracis isolates from Chinese culture collections; it found all to be indigenous Chinese strains, even those identified by the Chinese as being from the alleged U.S. anthrax attacks.”

    “Soviet military advisors, together with North Korean personnel, created “false areas of exposure” prior to the arrival of the ISC members, using cholera bacteria obtained from corpses in China. “Sites of infection” were also created before the Lawyer’s Commission arrived. Soviet advisors created “false plague regions,” in which corpses were arranged and cholera and plague bacterial samples were supplied for the ISC investigation. To hurry the ISC out of viewing areas, Soviet advisors and North Korean personnel set off explosions close to them.”

    ‘It is possible that other Soviet documentation on the Korean War allegations might establish exactly whose idea the false allegations were—whether the USSR’s or China’s—and provide a more detailed understanding of the nature and degree of the technical assistance that Soviet advisers contributed. The available documents imply first a Chinese and then a North Korean initiative, with Soviet personnel as collaborators. After the appearance of the Lawyers’ Commission reports in early April 1952, the United States learned that Soviet representatives in North Korea had “reprimanded the North Koreans and Chinese for failing to produce a better propaganda case on bacteriological warfare.”’

    • Thanks: Brás Cubas
  182. Schuetze says:
    @Mevashir

    My father actually threw my older brother out of the family when he found out he had started smoking pot while in college in about 1970. My father told him “I don’t want one bad apple spoiling the whole bunch”. They reconciled later and my brother has led a very successful life including founding and running several small businesses.

    [MORE]

    The entire Boomer generation were victims of a mass psychological operation conducted out of Tavistock, Harvard, Stanford, Columbia, Escalon and likely even Ft. Detrich.

    Information of the extent of our programming keeps dribbling in. One amazing fact I recently discovered was the relationship between Frankfurt School Theodor Adorno and the Beetles.

    “Picture the scene. It’s 1963 and Lennon and McCartney are struggling struggle with the composition of ‘She Loves You’. “She loves you,” says Lennon. “What comes next?” “Yeah, yeah, yeah?” chips in Adorno. “Brilliant, Teddie, just brilliant,” says McCartney. And , as a result, the song becomes a transatlantic smash, the Beatles’ all-time best-selling single. True story.

    In fact, of course, Adorno, as you might expected, despised the mop-topped Scouse beat combo and everything they stood for. “What can be urged against the Beatles,” he said during a discussion in the magazine Akzente in 1965, ” is simply that what these people have to offer is something that is retarded in terms of its own objective content. It can be shown that the means of expression that are employed and preserved here are in reality no more than traditional techniques in a degraded form.” ”

  183. Whilst it’s an interesting article, there is an amusing sleight of hand going on.
    None of the examples mentioned strengthen Unz’s central covid claim, namely that it was an american bio-weapon.
    That rests entirely and completely implausibly on the seeming anomaly of an early outbreak in Iran which Unz, until corrected, seems to have positioned thousands of miles away from its actual location.
    That’s it. Plus a few war stories from the 1950s.
    Nevertheless, an interesting article.

  184. Schuetze says:
    @Mevashir

    “Cages and cages of cats dogs and monkeys with electrodes drilled into their heads and protruding through their skulls. Pathetically mewing or barking. It was like a scene out of a horror movie.”

    This is what “science” has allowed itself to be perverted into. There was a time when engineers like Henry Ford truly wanted to create things that improved life for all of humanity, but they were engineers, not scientists. One of my favorite sayings is “Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach“.

    Of course engineering has now also been corrupted, how else could we have a continual stream of WMD’s dreamed up by science and created by engineers. The real issue here is where did it all go wrong?

    I am certain that I am not alone among the readership when I say that once the central banks fell under Rothschild and Sabbatean Frankist control every thing has been down hill from there. Mayer Rothschild famously said “Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes the laws.“. Today the talmudist central banks are running the entire planet and are busy buying up all property, and every soul, on the face of it.

    • Replies: @Kapyong
  185. @GayDad69

    Along with FbF (who is still around on Twitter as @morlacchiaa) there was a guy called Spandrell who’s been unpersoned by twitter and was a big Urbit fan. He was interesting on China.

    https://spandrell.com/2021/8/8/owning-space

    I think he’s only posting on urbit now.

    • Replies: @GayDad69
  186. Ron Unz, thank you for this great essay. As far as I’m concerned, this is one of the best forums on the net to balance out the usual main stream sources of information that have proved to be so wanting in informing Americans on the truth of just about anything, due to the fact that they are almost all serving a political agenda, instead of serving the truth.. Balance, always balance–“The truth lies somewhere in the middle.”,etc.

  187. @Thomasina

    I bet not 99 out of every 100 people would believe the conclusion you reached. Yet, if history demonstrates anything, it’s that all governments have proven to be this evil at one time or another. Being lazy intellectually goes hand in hand with being naive and willfully ignorant. No news is good news. See no evil, think no evil, hear no evil. Life is much easier that way but not worthy of human potential. Great post!!

  188. jadan says:
    @Ron Unz

    You are misinformed, Ron. Francis Boyle did not denounce the virus as a Chinese bioweapon. He said it originated in the University of North Carolina. You can easily verify what he said by watching the video interview posted on GreatGameIndia website. You are spreading misinformation.

    • Agree: Mevashir
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  189. @Thomasina

    No significant difference from the interrogator forcing Winston Smith to recite “2+2=5”. The biggest difference is that is explicitly fiction.

  190. MLK says:
    @SafeNow

    Yeah, even if we want to we can’t leave until the show is over.

    I’ll give you the one bit of good news, with everyone at each others throats about seemingly everything these days, all agree that “unbelievable!” is inapplicable at the moment.

    It’s worth remembering, since to my observation the process of what in the end is self-memory-holing (with professional counseling!), that it wasn’t always like this. Life has become unrelentingly more surreal. I thought it was strange before the end of 2019, alas that was before getting a taste of 2020.

    So, rather than bite off more than you can chew in search of some sort of dues ex machina in the form of the nature, origin, and liability for SARS-CoV-2 (or whatever), try your hand at seemingly easier to explain oddities. Say, for example, the Australian government imposing martial law. You’ll note that I didn’t append that sentence with ‘what looks a lot like’ or some other qualifier.

    I don’t have some snappy answer for you, which is really my point. A year and and half in and we don’t have any clarity on subsidiary questions and around the edges.

    By any reasonable measure, the Covid outbreak has already had an impact upon the world many times greater than that of the 9/11 attacks and the two decades of major wars and population displacements that followed, certainly making it one of the three or four most momentous events of the last one hundred years.

    Yes, though as historical analogues including the 1918 Spanish Flu teach, the pandemic/epidemic/plague isn’t the main event. It’s enough of a placeholder conclusion to note that this time it came earlier and is playing a more prominent role in the broader struggle.

    I find even intelligent people these days are hearing but not listening. With we now know about Obama and those behind his installation, it’s kinda important when he declares the US Constitution and Bill of Rights “just a piece of parchment.” That’s evolving in the wrong direction from the Bush era “the Constitution isn’t a suicide pact.”

    I’ll give this author and those who subscribe to his point of view this — but be careful, it ain’t as much of a concession as you might think, CCP China, Iran and even Russia have acted as we would have forecast they would since the kickoff.

    It’s the West, with the US in the lead, that has gone off the deep end. Apply some common sense, ruling and governing classes effect their interests to the extent they are able, and don’t lose any sleep over what happens to the rest of humanity. Most still can’t get their minds around this simple truism even knowing recent 20th C. examples contained within one country (e.g. Stalinism; Maoism).

    So that’s the place to begin. Recognize that China remains on the same trajectory it’s been since its admittance into the WTO. Iran too is still tormenting its people with more of what it began in 1979. Russia remains in recovery from the Yeltsin nadir and what came before him. The point being, and it in no manner or form absolves them, we in the West are doing this to ourselves, even if the powers that be behind the American “Yeltsin” illegitimately occupying the White House are receiving key assistance in destroying our great republic.

  191. Joe Wong says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    The Westerners have been committing war crimes, crimes against peace and crimes against humanity around the world since they could sail out of Mediterranean Sea. They are the liberty, equality and justice destroyers.

    Questing, smearing and lying about historical facts is the only way they can whitewash their own sin and ugly past, as well as they are the biggest humanitarian disaster in human history. Allowing the Westerners gained advantage in science and technology over others is the biggest mistake God has made.

    Jap is the proxy of the West, defending Jap’s barbaric, ruthless and insidious war crimes is a proxy war the West whitewashing their own sin and ugly past.

  192. GayDad69 says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Thank you for helping my find FbF again, I had lost track of him after his last Twitter ban.

    Please reach out to FbF and share with him my comments at Ron, both those advocating an interview and the ones about Wendy’s book.

    I don’t think Spandrell does any podcasts but he is very proficient with Urbit. He’s another good candidate for an interview.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  193. Kapyong says:
    @Schuetze

    Gday Schuetze,

    One of my favorite sayings is “Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach“.

    I’ve heard teachers jokingly extend that saying –

    Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach.
    Those who can’t teach, teach teachers.

    • LOL: Mevashir
    • Replies: @Lev Myshkin
  194. @GayDad69

    I can’t reach out, not being a twitterer, but if you’re prepared to give him an email address you can comment here:

    https://niccolo.substack.com/p/the-agrigento-interviews-michael/comments

  195. Antiwar7 says:
    @Ron Unz

    Francis Boyle already blew his credibility, completely, in his writings about the wars in the former Yugoslavia in the 1990’s. He can be overly credulous (that’s putting it mildly) to testimony that fits his prejudices.

  196. Ron Unz says:
    @orchardist

    All that “CBR history” with no mention of Dugway Proving Ground and the ‘6,000 sheep kill’?

    Sure, I’m aware of those 6,000 sheep in Utah which were apparently killed by an accidental nerve-gas discharge during the late 1960s. But nerve gas isn’t a biological weapon, which is the topic of this article, so it’s not really relevant.

    In that regard, I’ve noticed that some people are trying to inject disputes over Covid or vaxxing or related matters into this discussion, and such off-topic comments will get trashed. Some of the worst offenders are just rambling on about entirely unrelated matters, and if they keep up this bad behavior, their access to this website may end up getting sharply restricted.

  197. Ron Unz says:
    @jadan

    You are misinformed, Ron. Francis Boyle did not denounce the virus as a Chinese bioweapon. He said it originated in the University of North Carolina. You can easily verify what he said by watching the video interview posted on GreatGameIndia website. You are spreading misinformation.

    Well, it only took me a few seconds to locate this summary of Boyle’s public views on the website you suggested:

    In an exclusive interview given to Geopolitics and Empire, Dr. Boyle discusses the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan, China and the Biosafety Level 4 laboratory (BSL-4) from which he believes the infectious disease escaped. He believes the virus is potentially lethal and an offensive biological warfare weapon or dual-use biowarfare weapons agent genetically modified with gain of function properties, which is why the Chinese government originally tried to cover it up and is now taking drastic measures to contain it. The Wuhan BSL-4 lab is also a specially designated World Health Organization (WHO) research lab and Dr. Boyle contends that the WHO knows full well what is occurring.

    https://greatgameindia.com/dr-francis-boyle-creator-of-bioweapons-act-says-coronavirus-is-biological-warfare-weapon/

    So by the beginning of February 2020, Boyle was claiming that Covid was a deadly offensive bioweapon that leaked out of the Wuhan Lab, exactly the position taken by the most extreme anti-China propagandists and their Neocon allies, which is exactly what I was saying. Those views were based upon ZERO evidence, and suggest that whatever his background decades ago, these days Boyle has become a gullible fringe crackpot, or perhaps more precisely a “useful idiot.”

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    , @jadan
  198. Probable this Covid 19 was let loose to set back Chinese a little bit. But in my experience I do know that nothing works precisely according to the plan. Now we have four variants each one more virulent.
    Maybe some variant is coming that will wipe out most of the humanity.
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    And the Omen of the Twelve Monkey’s will be fulfilled.

  199. Ron Unz says:

    I should add that I think GreatGameIndia was one of those anti-China crackpot-fringe websites that around the same time was promoting an alleged speech a dozen years ago by a top Chinese general who explained his country’s diabolical plans to use deadly bioweapons to conquer the world, exterminate all non-Chinese people, and then send Chinese settlers to occupy their now-depopulated countries.

    • Replies: @Malla
  200. Alden says:
    @Proximaking

    Churchill was a terrible person. Gave central Europe to Stalin and the Empire to American commercial interests. More than any other one person instigated WW2. Of course if he had turned the Jewish bankers down, they would have found someone else. His financial troubles were caused by heavy gambling debts. Something never mentioned in his hagiographies.

    • Replies: @Malla
  201. Alden says:

    Wonderful article. I really like Ron’s discursive style relating how he does the research and how he arrives at his conclusions.

    • Troll: Schuetze
  202. Eagle Eye says:

    John W. Powell deserves an honorable mention for bringing Chinese claims of U.S. bacteriological warfare during the Korean War to the attention of a broader audience in the West and connecting them to U.S. records obtained through FOIA requests. Powell, his wife and a collaborator were tried for sedition but the (federal) judge had the courage to declare a mistrial. A separate charge for treason was later dismissed when RFK became attorney general.

    In 1981, Powell published an article entitled “Japan’s Biological Weapons, 1930-1945” arguing that some details of Japan’s biological weapons program were still being kept under wraps by the U.S. government.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_W._Powell

    • Agree: Ron Unz
  203. S0S says:
    @sbio

    To those people who continue to spout that the SAR2 virus does not exist, here is the genome, sequenced by Indian Scientists in January 2020.

    Yes, the study was withdrawn. The reason given for that is interesting:

    Covid-19 lab leak theory: Indian scientists had flagged ‘unnatural insertions’ in its genome, were forced to withdraw study

    One of the writers of that paper . . .

    . . . said that their study had correctly identified sections of the genome that are giving this virus its speciality. When asked why they had withdrawn the paper, he said that was withdrawn due to the pressure from the people with vested interests.

    . . . also said that this paper was just a section of the different studies that they had conducted and they wanted to include the entire findings in the updated version. But the revised manuscripts were hard-blocked by the publishers. He said that in the revised manuscript, they have provided information on why the virus infection remains asymptomatic and why it infects human beings so easily. But it never was allowed to come out, he said.

    Commenting on how a scientific paper is being blocked to favour a particular agenda, he said, “Science is the new medieval church, those who are popes of it censor at their will”.

    • Thanks: Arthur MacBride
  204. @Ron Unz

    has become a gullible fringe crackpot, or perhaps more precisely a “useful idiot.”

  205. @Ron Unz

    The BitChute video is not available in Europe. Instead:

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    • Replies: @Carlton Meyer
  206. utu says:

    One more article by Milton Leitenberg (2016) on brief memoir written in 1997 by Wu Zhili, who was Director of the Chinese People’s Volunteer Army Health Division during the Korean War. See my previous comment on two earlier articles by Milton Leitenberg that were based on Soviet sources.

    A Chinese Admission of False Korean War Allegations of Biological Weapon Use by the United States
    https://muse.jhu.edu/article/713889/summary

    Those charges have now been refuted in a striking posthu­ mous publication written by Wu Zhili, who was Director of the Chinese People’s Volunteer Army Health Division during the Korean War. Wu wrote a brief memoir in September 1997 that was found among his papers after he died in 2008. It was pub­ lished in a Chinese journal only in November 2013; an English translation first became available in April 2015 (Wu 2013).1 In 1952, Wu was critically involved in the Chinese government’s manipulations that produced the Korean War biological weapons allegations. His own testimonial contains a second one as well, by Huang Kecheng, chief of staff of the Chinese Army during the Korean War and later secretary-general of the Central Military Commission. Wu Zhili’s testimonial overturns everything previ­ ously published in a Chinese source.

    • Thanks: Brás Cubas
  207. jadan says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron, why don’t you listen to what Boyle says in the video interview @ GreatGameIndia? You’d rather read a Cliff’s Notes than the real book? C’mon man, be a scholar, not a partisan hack. If Boyle wants to speak to the world he has to go where he’ll be welcomed. He was talking with Alex Jones most recently to warn the world against the experimental mRNA vaccines. He has an interesting take on the subject which doesn’t mean he’s right. He’s a lawyer not a microbiologist, but I daresay he knows more about bioweapons than you do. He’s blacklisted since the phony anthrax attack in 2001, and you are part of the black list. He’s not pointing the finger at China exclusively. He says there was international below the radar bioweapons research known to WHO, Fauci, etc, supported and funded by the US. Your partisan take is not helpful, nor is it true.

    • Agree: Schuetze
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  208. @Anonymous

    i hit the agree button in mistake & attempted to cancel however it failed to delete or cancel. i am sorry, please, excuse my error.

    thank you, ron unz, for posting this essay. thank you for your persistent search to explore, uncover & discover the truth. i agree this is the most horrendous & epic bomb of our lifetime, perhaps in all history. i try to stay abreast of world events in russia, china, iran, america, europe, the mena, syria, lebanon, afghanistan—& there are tremendous events unfolding globally, however, this biowarfare eclipses or is the core of all other hybrid wars. thank you, ron, for this site & your continuing battle to find the truth, in spite of a steady stream of slings & arrows, thank you for not giving up, for not abandoning the search as other sites have. thank you for carrying on. bless you.

  209. @Proximaking

    Although Churchill did urge his staff on July 6, 1944, to examine the possibility of using mustard gas against Germany, he stated explicitly that this would not be used unless it could shorten the war by a year. That never was an issue since the war in Europe ended 10 months after Churchill floated the idea. As far as anthrax, Churchill was very clear that this was only in preparation for a possible retaliation if the Germans used it first. The actual documentary record of all this is discussed in Julian Lewis, Changing Direction: British Military Planning for Post-War Strategic Defense, 1942-47. Churchill’s own memo of May 21, 1944, specifies “counter-measures” as the goal, not the initiation by the Allies of bio-warfare. All of the pertinent documents show that there was no intent of initiating anthrax attacks without a first strike from the German side. David Irving has always been prone to playing a bit fast and loose with these kinds of facts, but he isn’t the only one. Robert Harris had spread this kind of disinformation back in the 1980s and it was Lewis’s early rebuttals which probably caused Harris to drop the claims from the big A Higher Form of Killing which he then published.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  210. Ron Unz says:
    @utu

    One more article by Milton Leitenberg (2016) on brief memoir written in 1997 by Wu Zhili, who was Director of the Chinese People’s Volunteer Army Health Division during the Korean War. See my previous comment on two earlier articles by Milton Leitenberg that were based on Soviet sources.

    But as far as I can tell, the article you’re quoting is entirely consistent with Baker’s analysis, which I summarized in my article. By the late 1990s, documents from the Soviet KGB archives had been released, discussing their plans to produce false evidence of disease outbreaks caused by the alleged American biowarfare attacks of 1952.

    It’s possible that this evidence was merely meant to “strengthen” the case for something that had actually happened, but Baker believes that the aerial drops of insects and rodents merely psychological warfare, intended to make the Chinese troops believe they were under biowarfare attack. Meanwhile, there seems very solid evidence for the late 1950 biowarfare attacks, which were something entirely different.

    One problem is that governments on both sides usually lie. So when e.g. the archives of the Soviets were opened up, that allowed Americans to claim they’d been telling the truth all along. But since the Americans have refused to open their corresponding archives, it seems very likely to me that their documents would reveal the reality of the biowarfare attacks.

    • Replies: @utu
  211. Ron Unz says:
    @jadan

    Ron, why don’t you listen to what Boyle says in the video interview @ GreatGameIndia? You’d rather read a Cliff’s Notes than the real book?

    You’re the one told me I should look at his statements on the GreatGameIndia conspiracy-website, which I did. According to them, he claimed that Covid was a bioweapon that leaked from the Wuhan lab. I’m not going to waste my time watching his stupid video. He strikes me as a total crank and a crackpot.

    He was talking with Alex Jones most recently to warn the world against the experimental mRNA vaccines.

    And now you’re defending him by explaining he’s gone on Alex Jones to denounce vaxxing as a terrible danger. Yep, a total crank and a crackpot.

  212. Ron Unz says:
    @Patrick McNally

    Although Churchill did urge his staff on July 6, 1944, to examine the possibility of using mustard gas against Germany, he stated explicitly that this would not be used unless it could shorten the war by a year…David Irving has always been prone to playing a bit fast and loose with these kinds of facts

    During the 2000 libel trial Irving’s Jewish enemies spent \$13 million dollars to hire 40 researchers to check every single one of his claims and references in this many dozens of books and articles, and a couple of years later Deborah Lipstadt published a book boasting about her victory, and cataloging all of Irving’s most egregious errors. I read that book very carefully, and she never challenged Irving’s claims on those remarkable points, so I can safely assume that Irving was correct. You should read my 2018 article on the subject:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-remarkable-historiography-of-david-irving/

    Most recently, you were claiming that the huge famine produced by Mao’s Great Leap Forward never actually happened and is just an American hoax. As far as I can tell, you’re just an incompetent fake-historian who has admitted he has no serious background in history, nor has ever published an article. So why should I or any else take anything you say seriously on these matters?

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
    • Replies: @Tor597
    , @Patrick McNally
  213. this volume lacks any source notes and is also replete with the sort of detailed private conversations likely to have been invented by Thomas

    For all we know, Gordon Thomas invented some or all of his affidavit of his conversations with William Sargant. The affidavit has been specifically criticised for referring to CIA HQ in 1953 as “Langley”, although construction at Langley did not begin until 1959 and the building was not occupied until 1961.

    And yet the main elements of Thomas’ story – the existence of secret locations in West Germany where “expendables” were interrogated to death; and Frank Olson’s crisis of conscience – are corroborated in the film “Code Name Artichoke” (2002) by Egmont Koch and Michael Wech. The film also reveals the involvement of the former Nazi Kurt Blome, who was acquitted of war crimes and spared execution in return for sharing his knowledge of biological warfare with the USA. The film suggests that Frank Olson was killed because he had been talking too much, but it is not clear whether his breaking point was the things he had witnessed in Germany, or the American use of biological weapons in the Korean war.

    https://www.cultureunplugged.com/documentary/watch-online/play/9586/Code-Name-Artichoke

    The film’s evidence is summarised in the penultimate section, “Closure”, of this article in the Larouche publication “Executive Intelligence Review” (article begins on p6 of the PDF, “Closure” is on pp16-17)

    https://larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2005/eirv32n44-20051111/eirv32n44-20051111.pdf

    • Thanks: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
  214. @Ron Unz

    I had demolition training and experience in the military. I’ve read lots of about the odd OKC incident. You are correct, an exterior bomb blast that size could not cause a partial collapse of a modern concrete/steel building, it would just blow out windows and perhaps outer walls, as evidenced by windows in buildings across the street. The blast would have to be inside (for tamping) or right next to columns to cause them to fail. This was shown in the larger Khobar Towers terror blast.

    • Thanks: Alden
  215. @GayDad69

    The Yarvin interview on net is not bad.

    The signal-to-noise ratio is low and it only raises to not bad by virtue of having a very few 24k gold nuggets.

    Ever seen a picture of America’s ultimate convention of young nobles–Burning Man? Not only is Burning Man whiter than Google, it’s probably whiter than the Klan.

    This is clever but also probably obsolete. For the second consecutive year Burning Man is not because of the virus. Larry Harvey is dead and the ones left behind seem to be trying to strangle this golden-egg-laying goose. Burning Man may be over with.

    Never heard of F by F but if you want to point out other examples of his top ten I will give them a try.

    • Replies: @GayDad69
  216. @James N. Kennett

    Last week I learned that unz.com cannot be accessed from hospitals, schools, and libraries whose wi-fi is set to restricted mode. Half my historical Youtube videos do not show up either, for no sane reason. Let us trust almighty Google to protect our children.

  217. Malla says:
    @Ron Unz

    It is an Indian Nationalist website. And it goes out with the typical Indian nationalist premise that the Whole World is conspiring against India from rising, out of jealousy and fear of superior “Indian talent”. The West including the British who still “run” India behind the scenes, China, Pakistan, Arabs, Martians etc… Basically this is partly the result of the crackpot Marxist “Colonial loot” theory. Since according to their theory Britain became rich by looting India and India with “superior talented people” is still a poor shithole, decades after independence, there must be some hidden forces working overtime to keep India down. And China along with the West is always a target of accusation by Indian nationalists.
    Chinese Wumao nationalists are not much different in mentality than Indian Nationalists though. They both deserve each other.

    • Agree: Triteleia Laxa
  218. Malla says:
    @Alden

    Churchill was a terrible person. Gave central Europe to Stalin

    LOL. Very true but yet the Left keeps targeting him all the time but for wrong fake reasons such as the Bengal Famine (he was not responsible). LOL, Karma, alright.

    I do defent Churchill on the Bengal Famine issue as it is easy to defend on historical facts and I think it is wrong to falsely accuse some one of something. However when I think about the damage he has done to the world, I wonder if it is really worth it.

    • Replies: @Alden
  219. BlackFlag says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Thanks, your explanation is reasonable. I remember hearing from a NPR podcast that the Japanese were doing it for terror reasons. Still, a bio-attack by hot-air balloon across the pacific would be pretty clever.

  220. Although still just partway through its second year, the outbreak has already killed perhaps 14 million people worldwide,

    Well, that seems like a population fatality rate of 0.2% but how many of those counts were inflated like the Santa Clara and Alameda County Covid-19 death rates that they recently admitted were inflated by (at least) 28% and 33%.

    However, it looks like SARS-CoV-2 is the perfect instrument for Boomercide so I suspect younger members of the US establishment!

  221. anonymous[129] • Disclaimer says:

    Comment 214 is very credible. SAP or SCI programs frequently have a cover program, often at the collateral level (plain-vanilla secret or top secret.) Fake germ warfare PSYOPS could be promising exculpatory evidence for real germ warfare. When the victims produce evidence of banned biological weapons, CIA can divert attention to their let’s-not-and-say-we-did OPSEC.

  222. anarchyst says:
    @Anon

    The “solution” is not to take the “jab” at all…none of them. Since DNA sequences can be patented, anyone who takes the”jab” no longer owns their body…

  223. @GayDad69

    Went to your link “niccolo.substack”. A new standard of prolix idiocy. Actually physically nauseating to wade through. All noise, no signal. “Media savvy and masters of rhetoric”? No, merely bad writing.

  224. GayDad69 says:
    @Morton's toes

    Just look over his weekly reading lists to get an idea of how ahead of the curve he is.

    The Darren Beatty interview is good too.

  225. This comment is slightly off-topic, but some may find it interesting so with apologies here goes.
    I was struck by the scale of the defeat of the US in the battles near the Chinese border in late 1950 which RU mentions in the article. Of course as a former Marine I was aware of this since the legend of the 1st Marine division’s breakout from the Chosin Reservoir is taught to all Marines. But the scale of the defeat is epic, with entire regiments, such as RCT-31, being wiped out and the Army second division losing all its equipment and 40% of its manpower. The 8th US Army essentially collapsed under the weight of a surprise attack. It is believed that 240,000 Chinese crossed the Yalu river in one day alone.
    Finally I come to my point. If ever a military situation called for the use of atomic weapons, this was it. Bombing the Chinese assembly areas could have saved the 8th Army. Would the Russians have engaged in world war to save a Chinese Army? I doubt it. And the Americans didn’t hesitate to use bacteriological weapons as RU describes. So why not use nukes?
    By contrast we’re told the US used atomic bombs against a prostrate, starving and defeated Japan in order to “send a message” to Russia. No US army fighting for its life to be seen anywhere.
    I call bullshit on this. There are several lines of evidence that nukes are fake. Failure to use nukes in Korea is not super strong evidence, but it’s thought provoking to me. Thanks for your patience.

  226. denk says:

    the satanists predictive programming actually started way back in 1997, when William Cohen ‘warned’ the world about ‘Others‘ [sic] engaging in all kind of Frankenstein program, …

    Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes, remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.
    So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations.

    There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus

    [1]
    Poor gringos, must be the world’s most endangered species.
    Forever Living in fear of Commies, Moslems, chicoms, russkies, evil scientists from other countries….enuff to make a grown man cry.

    Nevertheless,
    Dont take an insider like Cohen lightly, they know what they are talking about.

    2002, China hit by SARS, the world’s first race specific bio weapon.

    2014 came the Ebola scare. [2]

    Weather around the world seem to be going haywire lately,. China is currently battered by a once in thousand years deluge.

    [1]
    https://educate-yourself.org/cn/cohendodearthquakecapabilitytestimony28apr97.shtml

    [2]

    Dongen dismissed another myth according to which Aids and Ebola came from monkeys in Congo because Congolese people eat monkeys and human contact with monkeys resulted in the outbreaks. African people have been hunting for centuries and eating wild animals has not decimated the whole African population

    Rings a bell ?

    Those bat eating chicoms gave us this gawd damned covid.

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/01/21/new-improved-sars-bioweapon-tested-in-china/

  227. Ron Unz says:
    @Sparkylyle92

    I was struck by the scale of the defeat of the US in the battles near the Chinese border in late 1950 which RU mentions in the article….If ever a military situation called for the use of atomic weapons, this was it. Bombing the Chinese assembly areas could have saved the 8th Army….So why not use nukes?…There are several lines of evidence that nukes are fake. Failure to use nukes in Korea is not super strong evidence, but it’s thought provoking to me.

    An interesting interpretation, but I very much tend to doubt it. Among other things, the declassified secret documents have the President and the Joint Chiefs of Staff discussing whether or not to use nuclear weapons, and agreeing that they might be necessary. Are you arguing that the documents are fake? Or that the President and JCS weren’t aware that our nukes were fake? Neither case seems very likely.

  228. denk says:
    @John Regan

    It is interesting to note that the claims about Japanese medical atrocities (often summarized under the label “Unit 731”) are basically the Chinese Communist equivalent of the more familiar “Holocaust” narrative promoted by Soviet and Western media.

    No Punishment, Little Remorse
    unit 731 veteran…

    There’s a possibility this could happen again,” the old man said, smiling genially. “Because in a war, you have to win.”

    [1]

    I heard the QUAD is needed to defend oh so defenceless jp , India, FUKUSAustralia from big bad China.

    BUt Abe san doesnt seem to be quacking in his boots…


    [2]

    [1]
    http://www.toddlertime.com/bobbystringer/unit-731.htm#noremorse

    [2]
    Abe san

    “we are coming after you again”

    https://space4peace.blogspot.com/2013/06/loose-ends-from-berkeley-conference.html

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  229. I recently finished two short videos about this topic that will appear soon. The issue is that MacArthur wanted to expand the war to all of China, landing Nationalist forces from Taiwan. Truman and his team did not want to get bogged down in an endless war there whilst the Soviets threatened Europe. Thus they didn’t want to give Mac control of nukes, and we only had 12 to use in all of Asia.

    BTW, the Chinese didn’t win with overwhelming human wave assaults, their armies were the same size. They outmaneuvered the road bound Americans with foot marches by light infantry thru hilly terrain. Mac assumed air power would destroy the Chinese, but they had learned to hide from that after years of fighting the Japanese.

    • Disagree: GazaPlanet
  230. @denk

    When High Priest Cohen blamed others, Israel and South Africa had been studying genetically selective bio-weapons, together, for years.

    • Replies: @denk
  231. @Sparkylyle92

    If the Chinese attack came as a ‘surprise’, after much US blathering about not stopping at the Yalu, and numerous Chinese warnings, then the US military is more stupid and arrogant that I thought.

    • Replies: @Joe Wong
  232. @utu

    If you believe that story, utu, than you’re dumber than I thought. I bet you’ve turned up a ‘secret note’ from Mao, admitting his conversion to Judaism, too.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  233. Alden says:
    @Malla

    You’re the expert on India. I’m more familiar with his 10 years of bribed by the Jews warmongering to start WW2 in Europe. He was probably the best publicity & advertising man ever; for himself that is.

    Dunkirk a total defeat and rout of the British forces on the continent. They British army only survived because the French army protected them and British civilians brought them back to England. Churchill sent the British navy to the west coast off Ireland for protection. And civilians ships and boats had to rescue the army.

    Worst was his ordering the bombing of the Mediterranean fleet of the French navy and murdering I believe about 1,5000 French sailors maybe more.

    Churchill’s excuse for that was to prevent the capture of the Mediterranean fleet by the Germans. But the French admirals already had plans to leave the Mediterranean join up and sail to to the French islands off S America safe from the Germans. More deaths than when the Israelis killed American sailors on the USS Liberty.

    After the war there was a good 30 years of propaganda that every British person not eager to destroy Germany from 1930 on was a screaming anti semitic Nazi. His grandiosity was appalling. Just like his ancestors Jack and Sarah Churchill. His History of the British People isn’t the most accurate either. Too much early 19th century romantic movement chauvinism for me.

    After WW1 he tried to solve the unemployed veteran problem by re enlisting them and sending them off to Ireland to make the problem worse. Stull, he wrote his own hustiry

    • Replies: @ivan
  234. Alden says:
    @denk

    Veteranstoday is no more trust worthy than Washington Post NYTimes The Atlantic CNN NPR or any tv channel or newspaper in America.

  235. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    The whole issue is extremely complex with many layers of lies and counter lies. They can’t be disentangled. It is very hard to make a sensible narrative that would be somewhere in the mid way that would incorporate all data points where on the one hand the USRR, China and NK engaged in a full scale propaganda that involved fabrication of evidence to which they admitted and otoh there was some truth to their allegations. This is a Gordian knot that must be cut and my choice is to accept the narrative that from beginning to end the world fell a victim of communist propaganda. So this is how I cut the knot. Somebody else my cut it differently and accept the communist propaganda entirely.

    Here are premises that guided me:

    (1) Using biological weapons against the yellow race was on the minds of leftists, even if only as projections of what the evil capitalist would do, since the Russo-Japanese war in 1905. Jack London in 1910 wrote “The Unparalleled Invasion”:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unparalleled_Invasion
    Under the influence of Japan, China modernizes and undergoes its own version of the Meiji Reforms in the 1910s. In 1922, China breaks away from Japan and fights a brief war that culminates in the Chinese annexation of the Japanese possessions of Korea, Formosa, and Manchuria. Over the next half century, China’s population steadily grows, and eventually migration overwhelms European colonies in Asia. The United States and the other Western powers launch a biological warfare campaign against China, resulting in the total destruction of China’s population, the few survivors of the plague being killed out of hand by European and American troops, and China then being colonized by the Western powers. Wiki

    Jack London was probably the most popular American writer in the Soviet Union.

    (2) Bolsheviks used chemical weapons against rebellious peasants during the civil war and very likely used a biological weapon against Germans during the Battle of Stalingrad, that apparently – what is really strange – Germans were completely oblivious to. A perpetrator who gets away with a crime projects his evildoing success on others. He will be much more skillful in making fabricated accusations.

    (3) About six months before the Korean War started in December 1949 twelve members of the Japanese Kwantung Army were tried as war criminals for manufacturing and using biological weapons during World War II (see Khabarovsk War Crime Trials – wiki) in Khabarovsk, USSR 30 kilometers from the China-Russia Border. In 1950 English language document was published by Soviet Union: “Materials on the Trial of Former Servicemen of the Japanese Army Charged with Manufacturing and Employing Bacteriological Weapons.” The Khabarovsk War Crime Trials were widely publicized always in the context that Americans did not want to cooperate and granted the chief perpetrators including Surgeon General Shirō Ishii immunity from prosecution.

    Biological weapons were on the minds of the communists just as the war was about to begin.

    (4) In 1940s the Soviet Union had great influence in the West on the public opinion with many communist and pro-communist newspapers, magazines and other publications. There were scores and scores of agents of influence placed in all kinds of positions. Australian journalist Wilfred Burchett (see wiki) was one of them. His reports from China and N. Korea were very influential to solidify the narrative about the biological warfare by the US. He was visiting Americans POWs and interviewing them to corroborate that their statements were made not under duress. One POW camp he compared to a “luxury resort”, a “holiday resort in Switzerland.” Tibor Méray a Hungarian communist journalist referred to a POW camp as “Peace Fighter Camp” which had no fences. Jack London was Wilfred Burchett’s favorite writer. Later it was revealed he was paid agent of Soviet MVD.

    [MORE]

    Excerpts from Jack London’ “The Unparalleled Invasion”

    And high up in the blue he would have beheld a tiny dot of black, which, because of its orderly evolutions, he would have identified as an airship. From this airship, as it curved its flight back and forth over the city, fell missiles – strange, harmless missiles, tubes of fragile glass that shattered into thousands of fragments on the streets and housetops. But there was nothing deadly about these tubes of glass. Nothing happened. There were no explosions. It is true, three Chinese were killed by the tubes dropping on their heads from so enormous a height; but what were three Chinese against an excess birth rate of twenty millions? One tube struck perpendicularly in a fish-pond in a garden and was not broken. It was dragged ashore by the master of the house. He did not dare to open it, but, accompanied by his friends, and surrounded by an ever-increasing crowd, he carried the mysterious tube to the magistrate of the district. The latter was a brave man. With all eyes upon him, he shattered the tube with a blow from his brass-bowled pipe. Nothing happened. Of those who were very near, one or two thought they saw some mosquitoes fly out. That was all. The crowd set up a great laugh and dispersed.

    The plague smote them all. Nor was it one plague, nor two plagues; it was a score of plagues. Every virulent form of infectious death stalked through the land. Too late the Chinese government apprehended the meaning of the colossal preparations, the marshalling of the world-hosts, the flights of the tin airships, and the rain of the tubes of glass. The proclamations of the government were vain. They could not stop the eleven million plague-stricken wretches, fleeing from the one city of Peking to spread disease through all the land. The physicians and health officers died at their posts; and death, the all-conqueror, rode over the decrees of the Emperor and Li Tang Fwung. It rode over them as well, for Li Tang Fwung died in the second week, and the Emperor, hidden away in the Summer Palace, died in the fourth week.

    Had there been one plague, China might have coped with it. But from a score of plagues no creature was immune. The man who escaped smallpox went down before scarlet fever. The man who was immune to yellow fever was carried away by cholera; and if he were immune to that, too, the Black Death, which was the bubonic plague, swept him away. For it was these bacteria, and germs, and microbes, and bacilli, cultured in the laboratories of the West, that had come down upon China in the rain of glass.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  236. @Arthur MacBride

    Arkansas has 8 hospital beds available for treating Covid –I say shut the hospitals down and send these fake illness types home with a bottle of lysol —

  237. @denk

    Poor gringos, must be the world’s most endangered species.
    Forever Living in fear of Commies, Moslems, chicoms, russkies, evil scientists from other countries….enuff to make a grown man cry.

    There have been several people now responding to UR Chinese posters saying that they are no more than crude/juvenile racists.

    How is anyone to take seriously a post that starts like the above ?

    You and your colleagues are maybe not ideal to publicly represent your country.
    Are there no educated Chinese more suitable than you ?

    Otoh, your open racism does support a popular view abt Chinese, so maybe you are after all providing a public service and an outcome contrary to your aims.

    • Replies: @Littlereddot
    , @d dan
  238. TTSSYF says:
    @The_MasterWang

    You can if you target the immune system.

  239. JohnH says:

    “Arthur McBride” sounds like a nom de plume of tribal member, kind of like “Robert Maxwell”.

  240. @Arthur MacBride

    Why do you assume they are from China?

    The ethnic slur terms he uses are not normally used in Asia, and are mostly American in origin. Can you not detect that he is using American slur terms to show up American racism in an ironic way, and not because he was inherently racist?

    But then again sarcasm is mostly wasted on Americans. They take things way too literally. Subtlety is lost on Yanks. Thats why their world diplomacy in tatters.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  241. @Deep Thought

    Actually Japan has been a thorn in Chinas side for a millenium.

    The present problem is that Japan has probably enough nuclear material to make hundreds of warheads. And they have no doubt prepared the parts to make many missiles in a matter of months if they need to.

    If there is indeed a nuclear exchange with the US, it must be assumed that China will target enough of Japan, so that it will never bring grief to China for another millenium.

  242. “Arthur McBride” sounds like a nom de plume of tribal member, kind of like “Robert Maxwell”.

    I’ll let you into a secret, John, as you seem to be American and therefore unlikely to know your left hand from your right … I have to use a nom-de-plume b/c having a 00-prefix, it is now strictly prohibited to use real names. James Bond did so frequently and look at the trouble he got into. All those explosions and white cats terrorised.

    Here’s a word from Paul Brady giving you further information —
    (you must promise never to reveal this)

    • Replies: @JohnH
  243. d dan says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    “There have been several people now responding to UR Chinese posters saying that they are no more than crude/juvenile racists.”

    Sadly, it takes racism to fight racism. Chinese people in general and Chinese commenters have been too “honorable”, too “restrained”, too “conservative” (your words), and on top of that, too courteous and reserved in language, manners and replies. That have been taken as weaknesses by too many trolls (including fair number of Whites), in here or elsewhere.

    Sorry you or others don’t like that. Blame freedom of speech, blame Internet, blame the moderators, blame Ron Unz, blame the Whites and other offenders, the moon and your dog first before you come to us.

    “your open racism does support a popular view abt Chinese…”

    Good try to hang the hat on all Chinese – typical “crude/juvenile racists” behavior by Whites when running out of argument. See how I can play tip-for-tat too?

  244. @Littlereddot

    What I am thinking of are the Mongols and Manchus as examples. And since other West Pacific peoples were also victims of jap horrors and atrocities, they should join in too. In fact, if I could have my way, I would also invite African soldiers to join in the adventure. They could then inject their superior African Y-chromosomes into every Jap women. That would forever kill off the “Master Yamato Race” and the Yamato-Damashii, which were the justification of jap behaviour in WWII.

    • LOL: Littlereddot
    • Replies: @Smith
  245. Ron Unz says:

    Sadly, it takes racism to fight racism…Sorry you or others don’t like that. Blame freedom of speech, blame Internet, blame the moderators, blame Ron Unz, blame the Whites and other offenders, the moon and your dog first before you come to us.

    You should probably keep in mind that 95% of the readers of this website never leave a comment. Therefore, it probably makes much more sense to aim your remarks at that large, unseen audience than engage in back-and-forth stupid and nasty insults with a handful of other commenters.

    There are a multitude of different ideological camps represented on this website, and it seems to me that in each case a good fraction of the commenters representing that position are very actively sabotaging their own side by their bad behavior.

    • Agree: Raches
  246. @Littlereddot

    But then again sarcasm is mostly wasted on Americans. They take things way too literally. Subtlety is lost on Yanks. Thats why their world diplomacy in tatters.

    No wonder that murrikans are inseparable from the japs like 2 siamese twins of different races. Given below is an exchange on The Economist forum some years ago:

    [MORE]

    Devils Advocate_1in reply to ben haoApr 17th, 05:31

    ben haoApr 15th, 23:53

    Deng thanked the Japanese profusely for helping the CCP to take power from Chiang and the China’s economy has progressed significantly thanks to the investments from Japan. China should return to the policies of the 1980’s under Deng Xiaoping, introducing Japanese literature, movies, TV and other products of Japanese culture on a wide scale IMO.

    .
    Deng NEVER said that. It was Mao who were said to have made that remark to Tanaka and he did so ONCE, not profusely:
    .
    ‘Prime Minister Tanaka was accorded the same diplomatic courtesies as Nixon, and the outcome of his visit was a joint communiqué announcing the establishment of formal diplomatic relations between China and Japan. Mao thought his talks with Tanaka had been warmer and more intimate than his meeting with Nixon. When Tanaka tried to apologize for his country’s invasion of China, Mao assured him that it was the “help” of the Japanese invasion that made the communist victory and this visit between communist and Japanese leaders possible.’
    .
    http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=109780
    .
    Mao’s remark carried 2 messages:
    .
    1) For Tanaka who tried to apologize for what the atrocious IJA had done to China and the Chinese. The aim was to put Tanaka, who seemed to understand, and regret, the viciousness of the Japanese against the Chinese people, at ease for the meeting.
    .
    2) The 2nd message is for the Japanese of today. This message is sarcastic. Mao knew that his successors of the 21st century would not be as generous and as forgiving as he was. Japan’s “help” in the victory by the CCP over the KMT therefore created its own nemesis for the future. I don’t expect the Japanese to get this second message since they are well-known to lack the sense of irony.
    .
    Events have since proved him right. As I have said repeatedly, generosity and forgiveness breed contempt. The Japanese of today see Chinese forgiveness as another weakness they can further exploit.
    .
    Devil’s

  247. Levtraro says:
    @utu

    Bolsheviks used chemical weapons against rebellious peasants during the civil war and very likely used a biological weapon against Germans during the Battle of Stalingrad, that apparently – what is really strange – Germans were completely oblivious to.

    Source for the allegation of use of biological weapons against Fritzes by Ivans in the Battle of Stalingrad? I’ve read extensively on that topic and this is the first time that I encounter the allegation.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
  248. @Levtraro

    You will find it mentioned here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_biological_weapons_program

    The source is the following book:
    Alibek, Ken and Steven Handelman (1999), Biohazard: The Chilling True Story of the Largest Covert Biological Weapons Program in the World – Told from Inside by the Man Who Ran It

    Disagreeing viewpoints are found in the following links:

    Tularemia, Biological Warfare, and the Battle for Stalingrad (1942–1943)
    https://academic.oup.com/milmed/article/166/10/837/4819330

    Alibek, Tularaemia and The Battle of Stalingrad
    http://www.sussex.ac.uk/Units/spru/hsp/documents/Geissler.pdf

    I didn’t find any work supporting Alibek’s account.

    • Thanks: utu, Levtraro, Anon62
    • Replies: @Schuetze
  249. denk says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    When Cohen warned about ‘others‘ doing all that
    shit stuffs, like ‘race specific bio weapon‘, he forgot to compare note with his neocons mates who publicised their PNAC manifesto at the same time….

    New methods of attack — electronic, ‘non-lethal’, biological — will be more widely available … combat likely will take place in new dimensions, in space, cyberspace, and perhaps the world of microbes … advanced forms of biological warfare that can ‘target’ specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool‘;

    https://www.wanttoknow.info/020907pnacprojectnewamericancentury

  250. BaronAsh says:
    @WingsofADove

    I think there is an important fault line emerging in this sort of cyber population (those interested in peeking behind the curtain), namely:
    Group A. Those who believe that our systems are basically good but have been tainted by a minority of corrupted individuals or scattered networks.
    Group B. Those who are becoming increasingly convinced that we are in the midst of something like a global asymmetric war in which the object of one side is to replace the existing civilizational paradigm with a new one.

    Those in Group A find much of the attitudes, theories and expressions of Group B increasingly tedious or outrageously unpleasant (especially when expressed in tedious, tendentious, unpleasant ways as too often happens unfortunately) and vice versa.

    So although both sides are open to the notion that there is far more skullduggery in the mix than the dominant mainstream narratives let on – indeed deliberately obfuscate – nevertheless there is a degree of distrust, hostility and cynicism on the part of Group B that Group A simply cannot countenance.

    Aside/afterthought: if there IS a concerted push to change the current world order, this division in the ranks of the better informed and generally more intelligent alternate-viewers is just what the Evil Doctor ordered for it will ensure that this segment of the generally better informed public will remain forever divided – and with increasing bitterness.

    My wife and I are quiet, unimportant, non-ideological people who are soon going shopping for emergency supplies given that it looks increasingly likely that things are going to get much worse before they can even begin to get any better. My guess is that we are in the first phase of a several phase world war which may or may not get conventionally ‘kinetic’ and what we have gone through so far is a form of softening up along with geopolitical coordination systems-checks. Soon it will get much more intense and demanding. I sincerely hope am wrong.

  251. denk says:
    @Deep Thought

    Apparently even Abe san was deemed too dovish by his mentors in Washington, he had to step down on health reason.

    The new Pm Suga san just declared TW a FUKUS/JP joint protectorate.
    Considering jp robbed TW from China in 1898, this is even more in your face than Abe’s 731 taunt

    Yet they tell us jp is being bullied by China and needs to join the new Eight nations alliance defence league

    heheheh

  252. @Ron Unz

    Lipstadt was not concerned with charges about Churchill planning to make a first strike on Germany using anthrax. She was charging Irving with denying the alleged gas chambers. The book by Julian Lewis, Changing Direction, 2nd edition, does quite specifically address the documentary record of what Churchill said about biological weapons and gas warfare. Lipstadt has no relevance to this.

    [MORE]

    You really seem to have developed a hang-up on fake statistics used by Yang Kisheng in his fraudulent book Tombstone. As I pointed very clearly in other relevant thread, Judith Banister’s estimate of 44.6 deaths per thousand in the year 1960 is quite plausible. This would indeed constitute a famine similar in scale to many previous famines which China had frequently had in the century before the revolution. The primary cause of this famine was the natural disaster which is described in detail in Roderick MacFarquhar, The Origins of the Cultural Revolution, Volume 2. What has always stirred controversy around is that in 1958 Mao attempted a bungling Great Leap Forward which had proven a failure by 1959 when the whole thing started winding down, before the natural disasters of 1960 had hit.

    Every demographic study of China in these years, including most especially Banister, has agreed that the years 1958-9 saw a rise in mortality over that of 1957, while the death rates remained well below anything which had ever occurred in pre-revolutionary times. The Great Leap Forward was a wasteful failure, but did not result in “tens of millions” of deaths. It only brought a partial setback from the improvements in mortality which had been achieved in the years 1949-57. What liars like Yang Jisheng and Jung Chang have done is not merely to cite data for increased mortality in 1058-9 over 1957 out of the context of the agreed massive drop in mortality achieved in 1949-57 (which would be dishonest in itself) but to actually take data from the Statistical Yearbook of China 1986 which everyone knows was based upon uniform underestimates of Chinese death rates. By feeding people the false statistics from the Statistical Yearbook Yang Jisheng leads the reader to think that China had attained a mortality rate of 10.8 per thousand in 1957 rather than the 18.12 which Banister more realistically assigns. But when shifting to 1960 Yang Jisheng no longer uses the 25.43 deaths per thousand which the Statistical Yearbook gives. Instead he jumps over to more realistic numbers such as Banister would give. The result is a book of fakery by Yang Jisheng.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  253. BaronAsh says:

    Having suffered from Lyme Disease for about 20 years, I can tell you that the Plum Island theory rings fairly true. That said, “Otzi” the neolithic man found in the Alps tested positive for the borrelia bacteria, albeit Lyme Disease is an ever-morphing bacterial and viral cocktail. Indeed, it is most likely some special sort of cocktail developed on Plum Island that constitutes what we call Lyme Disease.

    The 300,000 a year figure is probably wrong. The spreading vector described for decades based on the observed distances of ticks attached to deer are also entirely wrong because nearly every songbird tested carries it all over the place including into countries that still maintain they don’t have it yet. Also, the list of symptoms in your summary is definitely on the light side. There are many very serious, life-ruining ones including death, though that happens, like covid, with co-morbidities.

    The reason for this comment is to point out that this Lyme Disease sufferer believes that, just as seemingly seems to be the case with Covid, it is proving almost impossible for the conventional medical community to come up with viable therapeutics perhaps because the nature and origin of the pathogens is a closely guarded secret. (That said, it seems there ARE viable therapeutics for covid, but their availability is being criminally suppressed – including the mysterious fire that burned down one of only 2 factories world wide creating the prerequisite materials for HCQ.)

    I personally doubt that Lyme was released on purpose – most likely it was carried from the island by rodents swimming or birds and mosquitoes flying. However it looks more likely that covid – if not released deliberately in 2019 by bad actors – contains elements from biolabs that are designed to make it effective in certain ways, some of which presumably would be politico-social as part of asymmetric war campaigns. So for all the value there may (or may not be) in discussing the medical ins and outs of the phenomenon, I feel strongly that it is 80% a global socio-political event and only 20% a bona fide medical event. That doesn’t mean that it isn’t a bona fide medical event but that the impact it is having, and the way it is being used to impact all of us, is principally geopolitical. If this is true, then most of facts and figures published about covid have to be taken with a large grain of salt, making the whole thing even more fraught with doubt, confusion and mistrust.

    Because they are all part of the asymmetric war we are all currently a part of. That being so, it would be good for all of us to maintain calm and a certain basic level of decorum lest we all descend into a medically-induced dystopia!

  254. denk says:

    Alden

    Veteranstoday is no more trust worthy than Washington Post NYTimes The Atlantic CNN NPR or any tv channel or newspaper in America.

    I heard brickbats about VT
    NO site is perfect, its all about S/N ratio these days.
    VT clearly has a much higher S/N ratio than the likes of CNN, FOX/, whose cred is practically 0

    iN ANY case,
    I had long concluded that sARS1/SARS2/EBOLA…..were made in USA.
    tHE circumstantial evidences are simply too compelling to ignore.

    At the end of day, we should judge each author by its own merit, regardless of the site.
    UNZ has it fair share of dolts, such as JOhn Derbyshire.

    ——————————–

    Arthur Macbridge

    There have been several people now responding to UR Chinese posters saying that they are no more than crude/juvenile racists.

    You and your colleagues are maybe not ideal to publicly represent your country.
    Are there no educated Chinese more suitable than you ?

    BY last count,
    96% of gringos say they’r living in fear of China.
    This is classic wolf crying wolves shibboleth
    Says more about the accusers psychosis than any alleged Chinese maleficence.

    [MORE]

    ———————————

    Ever heard about the Vanderberg doctrine.?…[1]

    Dont worry about the sheeples, all we’ve to do is scare the hell outta them.

    China is the current bogeyman de jure.

    Pilger observation

    gringos are like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed BS all day long

    Thats a nice way of saying..

    gringos are the most dumbed down dunce

    Even so,
    He got lambasted as a ‘self hating whitey’

    Too bad you dont appreciate my attempt at satire either

    [1]
    https://thediplomat.com/2019/07/the-us-scare-campaign-against-china/

    PS
    I dont represent China , never mind the Chinese.

    For the umpteen time…
    Mainland Chinese seldom post at forums like this, they have their own turf.

    • Replies: @InnerCynic
  255. I feel strongly that it is 80% a global socio-political event and only 20% a bona fide medical event. That doesn’t mean that it isn’t a bona fide medical event but that the impact it is having, and the way it is being used to impact all of us, is principally geopolitical. If this is true, then most of facts and figures published about covid have to be taken with a large grain of salt, making the whole thing even more fraught with doubt, confusion and mistrust.

    Totally agree with this assessment. Nicely articulated.

    • Thanks: BaronAsh
  256. ivan says:
    @Alden

    History will forgive me for I shall write it.

    — Winston Churchill

    • Replies: @geokat62
  257. geokat62 says:
    @ivan

    “History will forgive me for I shall write it.” — Winston Churchill

    Poor Winnie! Little did he realise that thanks to David Irving’s incredible research skills, he would go down in history as a “traitorous Shabbos goy” for the large part he played in facilitating the destruction of Western civilisation.

    • Replies: @ivan
  258. @Kapyong

    Actually, they become Principals.

    • LOL: Kapyong
  259. Ron Unz says:
    @Patrick McNally

    Lipstadt was not concerned with charges about Churchill planning to make a first strike on Germany using anthrax. She was charging Irving with denying the alleged gas chambers.

    You seem rather confused. Obviously Lipstadt and her allies were attacking Irving for exactly that reason, but since Irving had never written a word about the Holocaust or the gas chambers, they focused their scrutiny on absolutely everything he had written, subjecting all his many dozens of books to the most exceptionally detailed investigation. Lipstadt’s triumphalist volume then highlighted all the worst errors that they had managed to find, which seemed extremely paltry to me, and certainly excluded the items under current discussion.

    Since it’s obvious you’ve never read the Lipstadt book, you’re hardly strengthening your credibility by commenting on it.

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
    , @BaronAsh
  260. @GMC

    I remember reading about the Lugar lab in Georgia. I believe there was a leak and some serious illness that occurred around it. But it is creepy that you have “research” labs funded by the deep state all over the world carrying out Frankenstein experiments that im sure would raise the hair on ones neck. I’d also like to know more about the purported lab that Gates and Zuckerberg were claiming they’d build and sequence the covid virus. In Cambodia no less!

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  261. @denk

    Mainland Chinese wouldn’t waste their time communicating on a forum they’d likely have next to zero interest in unless they had some cultural and historical literacy about the topics in play.

  262. @WingsofADove

    In short, Mr. Unz … cannot recognize the possibility that this same elite has created a psychological warfare program and a “health” program and a wealth transfer program whose aim is, via Covid 19, to transform world society into a permanent technocracy, a worldwide surveillance state, world wide medical martial law. In short, The Great Reset.

    Strange how Mr. Unz again finds no room to express any concern about the vast power grabbing and throttling of our liberties via astounding levels of hypocritical propaganda.

    IF the start of the pandemic was a malicious act by a FEW “rogue” operators, what explains this apparent mass coverup and total avoidance by all to bust their asses? If the evidence is so “overwhelming” where is the block of reputable signatures backing this theory?

    I have trouble with narratives that prefer to remain in their own echo chamber.

    p.s. Unz’s prime suspects, the Neocons, are understood by many to be code for Israel First – Jewish Power. Why would they mess with China this way? They have a bunch of huge long-term business deals together. Why wouldn’t JP target USA and Europe instead? Would it be the first time?

    Elsewhere, Mr. Unz expresses his belief that Mossad was behind the 9/11 mass murder. Furthermore, the 2001 anthrax attack, which attempted to murder US Senators Patrick Leahy and Tom Daschle, can be tied to Israel (which lied about the anthrax link to Iraq and flubbed the timing of mailings/threats and thereby showed their hand).

    Here at the 20th anniversary of those atrocities, I wish Mr. Unz would at least get back to barking up the right tree.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  263. Ron Unz says:
    @thotmonger

    Here at the 20th anniversary of those atrocities, I wish Mr. Unz would at least get back to barking up the right tree.

    I calls ’em like I sees ’em…

    But I really must warn all of you that this is not a comment-thread dealing with Covid, except in a rather peripheral way, and such off-topic comments have a solid chance of getting trashed.

    • Thanks: thotmonger
  264. This is all GREAT INFO, but how do I get it to my audience on FB? Even if I begin to use any portion of UNZ it gets rejected. I am an old guy (81) and began my FB connections long ago and I assume that like me, they plan on staying there because of all of the obstacles to any attempted change. Pretty hard to get a large group to suddenly change over to BitSchute all at once when most have never heard of it and the rest of us cannot even spell it.

    Any ideas to help me get these things past the censoring algorithms?

  265. @James N. Kennett

    The affidavit has been specifically criticised for referring to CIA HQ in 1953 as “Langley”, although construction at Langley did not begin until 1959 and the building was not occupied until 1961.

    The book that made this criticism leads to a rabbit hole that extends as far as Dallas, 22nd November 1963.

    That book is “A Terrible Mistake: The Murder of Frank Olson and the CIA’s Secret Cold War Experiments” by H. P. Albarelli Jr.

    It is reviewed by Anthony Frewin in pp4-29 of Lobster Magazine, issue 59:

    https://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/free/lobster59/lobster59.pdf

    Quotes below are from Frewin’s review.

    Albarelli names Olson’s murderers as Pierre Lafitte and Francois Spirito. Spirito was a Sicilian-born drug trafficker. Lafitte was possibly born in Corsica. Under cover of work as a chef he appears to have organised drug deals for the Marseille mob before WWII, and worked for the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and FBI after the war. He was working at the Statler Hotel in New York City when Frank Olson died.

    Lafitte has two connections with the assassination of JFK. In 1967 or 1968 he was one of a team that burgled Jim Garrison’s office to retrieve documents about his prosecution of Clay Shaw.

    In 1963, both Lafitte and Lee Harvey Oswald had worked at a New Orleans company with suspected CIA connections, but possibly not at the same time:

    On 9 May 1963 Lee Harvey Oswald applied for work at the William B Reily Coffee Company in New Orleans. The eponymous Reily was a rabid anti-communist who gave financial support both to Sergio Arcacha Smith’s Crusade to Free Cuba Committee and Ed Butler’s partially CIA-funded propaganda outfit, the Information Council of the Americas (INCA). The Reily vice-president, William Monaghan, was a former FBI agent and was a charter member of INCA. Jim Garrison believed that Reily’s was part of an intelligence apparatus. A view bolstered somewhat by Gerry Patrick Hemming’s claim that William Reily had worked for the CIA for years.

    Oswald worked for Reily May through July, and Albarelli notes that ‘Around the time of JFK assassination’ Lafitte too was working for the Reily company. The world gets smaller and smaller.

    Lafitte is unknown in the literature of the JFK assassination. I checked the indices of some ten works. He’s obviously a person for whom further and better partics are needed.

    Regarding Gordon Thomas’ affidavit of his conversations with William Sargant:

    [MORE]

    Sargant told Thomas he could publish what he was saying, but only after his death.

    If Sargant had really wanted to leave a testament, he could have sworn an affidavit himself. Thomas’ affidavit attempts to recall conversations that had taken place at least a decade earlier.

    Albarelli states that there is no corroborating evidence that Sargant ever met Gottlieb, Helms, Lashbrook or, indeed, Frank Olson. The reader can feel confident that if there had been, he would have turned it up.

    This reader does not share Frewin’s confidence. The visitors’ book at Porton Down for 1950-1953 almost certainly remains classified, along with any other records of collaborations with outsiders such as Sargant and Olson.

    The affidavit raises other questions. If Sargant was an active intelligence officer or closely related to the intelligence services why was he talking to Thomas?

    Because they happened to be personal friends; and they were discussing events that had taken place many years earlier.

    And if we take at face value the claims made in the affidavit, why was Olson opening his heart and breeching security to Sargant when he knew full well who he was, who he worked for, and the likelihood that Sargant would report it upwards, if for no other reason than to keep himself in the clear?

    Olson confided in his personal friend Norman Cournoyer because the latter still had appropriate security clearance. He probably met Sargant through his work at Porton Down, and chose him as a confidant for similar reasons.

    Lastly, Olson’s state of mind. There is no evidence that Olson had psychiatric problems or mental health ‘issues’ at this time. They would come later after the dosing at the Deep Creek Lake meeting.

    However, as Albarelli notes, the red flag of being “talkative” was raised as early as 1951, and this is corroborated by Norman Cournoyer. Combined with qualms of conscience, this would have been sufficient for Sargant to be concerned about Olson’s security clearance.

  266. ivan says:
    @geokat62

    I respect WC as a great man warts and all. The trouble with Mr Irving’s accounts is that while he never lies, one can almost hear him clicking his heels at every mention of AH.

    • Replies: @BaronAsh
  267. Joe Wong says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Mafia culture is in the American gene from underground to high politics in all walks of life. The US won most of time in confrontations by doubling down. Chinese warnings were viewed as as bluffing in
    Washington where the political environment was permeated with Mafia culture.

    Such tradition is still well alive in Washington as well as in the American societies unchanged. The American and their lackeys like the Japs and Taiwanese all believe that more pressure one can put on the Chinese more benefits one can squeeze out of the Chinese. That is why Donald Trump and Joe Biden administrations like to use extreme pressure tactics to deal with the Chinese. The American and their lackeys believe if they did not get what they want, it means they have not apply enough pressure on the Chinese, they just have to double down again and again until they get wreck on the head.

    Whether it is stupid or arrogant, but this is American way of life, it can’t be changed.

  268. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    That makes you sound like a rather Junior member of Rom’s “swarm”: very quick on the trigger to defend the team but absolutely no reason to accept that you even really know what it is that you should be answering. I had never heard any of what utu proffered but, if anything, I am inclined to give it some credence because of the total emptiness of your answer. I don’t suppose that could have been your very subtle purpose??😎

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  269. @Joe Wong

    How do you know all those amazing things about Aerica and its culture? If you were to be expert witness called by legal counsel who was briefing himself on what you could say how would you substantiate your expertise.

    • Replies: @Joe Wong
  270. denk says:

    The satanists ptb enjoy broadcasting their plan via message hidden in plain sight.

    2019 pre Wuhan

    [MORE]


    2020 post Wuhan

    CertificateOfVaccineID

    Mission Accomplished.

    I win, you lose

    Get over it, enjoy your new normal

    ——————————

    One from the archive…
    Suicided, murdered microbiologists following Cohen’s dire warning about race specific bio weapons, their speciality…..DNA manipulation
    and sequencing.

    https://www.sott.net/article/182997-Dead-scientists-genetically-engineered-viruses-and-government-pandemics-Conspiracy-theorists-were-so-right

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  271. JohnH says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    You missed my point but still protests too much.

    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
  272. @Rose

    OK –we have the Japanese and Unit 731 at Harbin—following WWII —-the same Harbin crew heads to Fort Detrick Maryland –and then Korean War 1951 and biological weapons used on North Koreans and most recently 2019-2020 —-have leaks at Chapel Hill North Carolina. Usually a guilty party accuses the innocent party of what they have previously done —–study North Carolina –Chapel Hill –they had many strains of SARs and some leaked….or did they come across Covid by accident and had it harnessed for future release under IDEAL cirumstances –a “big” gathering and doing it right before Spring Festival so the entire nation will collapse and having CNN and FOX ready for fast news releases and informing God’s spokesperson Adrian Zenz–the brew is ready —–. If it was NOT man made –I argue it was a fluke found in nature and harvested for future release. Chapel Hill from Fort Detrick and all is well in DC.

  273. @Littlereddot

    Your knowledge of Asian athropology is 0 –

    • Replies: @Littlereddot
  274. @Joe Wong

    No, it’s not, not for most of us, and I don’t think you are as familiar with normal European-Americans and our culture as you seem to think.

    • Replies: @Joe Wong
  275. @GMC

    What is the link between Fort Detrick and Chapel Hill, North Carolina ( they have had leaks of SARs 2019- and it was more than 1 leak). Perhaps they came across a new Covid –by accident and thought–WOW –how can we use this??

  276. @JohnH

    With many apologies, John, for missing your point.
    It was obviously far too cryptic for me. Still is tbh … (lol)

    And my attempt at a humorous response far too cryptic for you.

    As they say in France “C’est la vie” …

  277. @Wizard of Oz

    I’m a team of one, Wiz, and, a la Groucho, don not like being part of a team that would have me as a member. I do know what team you are on, old boy.

  278. @Joe Wong

    I agree entirely, but we must hope that, somehow, the End of Empire will unleash the ‘better angels’ of the US population. However, seeing as we are at the early stage of the final ecological collapse of human existence on Earth, and an at least 90% or so depopulation of humanity is now inevitable, it is a moot concern.

  279. @InnerCynic

    The Lugar lab was involved in experiments with insect vectors to spread disease. Locals reported numerous previously unknown diseases and arthropods and insects appearing in the region, but, naturally, the vermin of the MSM are quite uninterested.

    • Agree: InnerCynic
    • Replies: @InnerCynic
  280. @denk

    I look at the 2019 cover and the only possibility I see is the critter who sort of resembles a pangolin on a map outline of Colombia-Venezuala. I read the Economist just like competitors’ intelligence agencies read it–the propaganda sheet of the powers that claim/seem to be. I don’t think they have any great powers of divination. One of the copies I saved is the one they published the week of the 2016 president’s election Clinton on the cover when everybody thought she was winning P~.95 or something.

    Don’t they still believe in self-driving cars?

    • Replies: @denk
  281. @GomezAdddams

    What do you mean by Asian anthropology?

  282. When will someone ask Dr. Fauci, the Robert Oppenheimer of US Biowarfare, about the gain of function research being performed at Ft. Detrick?

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  283. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Naturally. One doesn’t see what one is paid not to see.

  284. Joe Wong says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    It is a common view of the American in the world in according to the American’s deeds in the past, present and most likely in the future. It is a constructive reminder to the Americans from the rest of world that the Americans is doing themselves a great disservice by following their Mafia culture.

    The world is expecting better of the USA, and hope the Americans could return to their sense, stop being a destructive force of the world and a negative energy of humanity.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @RobinG
  285. Joe Wong says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Perhaps I am not as familiar with normal European-Americans and you culture as you claimed, but this the view of non European-Americans about the Americans.

    Anyhow it was a constructive reminder to the Americans from the rest of world that the Americans is doing themselves a great disservice by following their Mafia culture.

    The world is expecting better of the USA, and hope the Americans could return to their sense, stop being a destructive force of the world and a negative energy of humanity.

  286. The Ogs says:

    Let’s review. The USA has spent thousands of millions of dollars (taxpayer money) on Biological Warfare Research at more than a dozen locations around the world, for many decades.
    Then, this COVID thing appears in China (and Iran) in 2019.
    Well at least America has world-leading experts with vast knowledge in these matters, right?
    But apparently not. The American scientists report “no clue. We are baffled…”
    Uh-huh. And the American public BELIEVES them!
    Oh no, America would never mess with biological weapons. That would be unethical, immoral, illegal and unrighteous… wouldn’t it? /s
    America. The single greatest threat to all life on the planet, to anyone with more than just a couple of neurons firing…

  287. @Ron Unz

    You’re the one who is confused. The book by Julian Lewis, Changing Direction, was printed in its 2nd edition in 2003. The Irving-Lipstadt case happened in 2000. The newly released documents which Lewis draws upon would have just been making their way into the hands of well-connected academic researchers like Lewis at the time of the trial and so would have been of no relevance to Lipstadt’s case.

    Lipstadt focused a lot on the hoax of the 135,000 which Irving had dabbled in over Dresden. To be fair, Irving did acknowledge as far back as July 7, 1966, that the actual number of deaths at Dresden was more like 25,000 instead of the fabled 135,000:

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/General/Dresden/TheTimes070766.html

    Let’s give the man some credit for this. But one can see a common problem here. Both the inflated 135,000 claim about Dresden as well as the false charges that Churchill desired to instigate anthrax warfare instead of simply holding it as a retaliatory measure are examples of Irving’s overexuberance at work. He comes of like a high school senior who is thrilled at exposing some new charge against Churchill and rushes recklessly to make the accusation before all the facts are in. With Dresden he at least acknowledged his own fallacy a few years after publication, although the myth of the 135,000 lives on among the internet.

    But with the charges of anthrax there would have been no reason for Lipstadt to bother finding out about what newly released documents showed. At best she might win an admission from Irving that the new evidence needs to be looked, but no one would have faulted him for not looking at documents which were only released in the early 2000s. Hitting on the Dresden claims made sense however since even though Irving did formally disassociate himself from that hoax more than 55 years ago it still lives on in the imaginations of many readers.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Ron Unz
    , @Ron Unz
  288. @Joe Wong

    The problem with attributing Mafia culture to Americans is that the Mafia, Camorra, Calabrian Ndrangheta etc are essential secretive local organisations cut off from the wider society. You surely can’t conflate Mormons, Evangelicals and Mennonites as if they were criminal organisations. How about China having a triad culture? Does that make sense to you ?

  289. @Arthur MacBride

    One problem is that Nanking at that time contained 200 to (max) 250,000 people …

    That statement is nonsense. Even Japanese historians state higher numbers, and Nanjing at the time contained by most estimates around one million refugees who fled the atrocities in other cities. There are always people eager to downplay the suffering of others, or the atrocities of others. After all, we can’t have competition for the “holocaust”. This same person will no doubt tell you the Ukranian famine was a hoax and WWII never really happened.

    • Agree: Mulga Mumblebrain
  290. denk says:
    @Morton's toes

    Look at the 2019 cover again…
    YOu missed the four horseman of Apocalypse, one with mask ?

    [MORE]

    https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/6529087674?profile=RESIZE_710x&width=396

    The deep state is crawling with satanic end time cultists.
    Their finger print are all over this covid caper.
    SARS2 is their ticket to the new world order, after the old one is destroyed.

    Listen to Barbara HUbbard,
    US Army Delta Force.

    ‘Out of the full spectrum of human personality, one-fourth is electing to transcend.
    One-fourth is destructive [and] they are defective seeds. In the past they were permitted to die a ‘natural death.’
    Now as we approach the quantum shift from the creature-human to the co-creative human — the human who is an inheritor of god-like powers — the destructive one-fourth must be eliminated from the social body.
    Fortunately, you are not responsible for this act.
    We are.
    We are in charge of God’s selection process for planet Earth.
    He selects, we destroy. We are the riders of the pale horse, Death
    .’

    https://medium.com/spiritual-warfare-the-new-predator/the-pale-horse-extermination-cult-3de5e43fd90

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Morton's toes
  291. Ron Unz says:
    @Patrick McNally

    You’re the one who is confused. The book by Julian Lewis, Changing Direction, was printed in its 2nd edition in 2003. The Irving-Lipstadt case happened in 2000.

    I haven’t read the Julian Lewis book, but I find it extremely suspicious that the second edition you focus upon came out just after Irving had been bankrupted and destroyed in court. Its sales rank is #8,165,574, perhaps the highest I’ve ever seen, suggesting that it almost never sells any copies.

    I think it’s plausible that the British Establishment took that opportunity to try to repress all the massively important information that Irving had unearthed in previous decades, and return WWII history to its previous state. Indeed, a couple of years later Irving was imprisoned in Austria for about a year on “heresy” charges and his massive accumulated archives meanwhile seized by the authorities.

    As for the disputed casualty figures for Dresden, which had been one of centerpiece’s of Lipstadt’s book, I found this fairly recent review of the conflicting claims by John Wear quite comprehensive and reasonably persuasive:

    https://www.unz.com/article/how-many-germans-died-under-raf-bombs-at-dresden-in-1945/

    • Agree: JLK, BaronAsh
    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  292. CIA drug experiments likely created one of the 20th Century’s most notorious killers: Charles Manson.

    This book by Tom O’Neill shows that Vincent Bugliosi’s “Helter-Skelter” explanation is completely wrong. O’Neill provides circumstantial evidence that Charles Manson was a subject of experiments akin to MK-ULTRA.

    The information below is from this review of the book:
    https://justinward.medium.com/was-charles-manson-a-cia-lab-rat-42f167277a05

    The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic (HAFMC) was partly financed to study the effects of illegal drugs by the National Institute for Mental Health (NIMH), which had been used as a front for CIA money during the MK-ULTRA psychedelic experiments. One of the researchers working out of the HAFMC was Louis Jolyon West, a psychologist who was a contractor to the CIA’s MK-ULTRA. Another researcher there was Roger Smith, who was Charles Manson’s parole officer and was also a graduate student in Criminology. His research into the effects of speed on violent behavior in street gangs was funded by NIMH.

    In his doctoral thesis, Smith wrote about the importance of shielding test subjects from prosecution; and he appears to have provided a “get out of jail free card” to Manson and his “family”, resolving the mystery of why Manson himself remained free despite numerous violations of his parole.

    HAFMC was frequented by Charles Manson and members of his “family”, notably for treatment of STIs.

    Louis Jolyon West also ran the Haight-Ashbury Project (HAP), which

    bears an uncanny resemblance to an infamous MKULTRA experiment called Operation Midnight Climax, in which fake brothels were set up throughout the Bay Area and unwitting patrons were dosed with mind-altering drugs.

    For HAP, West similarly set up fake “crash pads” for hippies and had grad students dress in hippie garb to take notes on their behavior. Though the records don’t seem to indicate that the project provided the subjects with drugs, it would be consistent with the standard modus operandi of MKULTRA experiments, which tended to use marginal groups, like prisoners or mental patients.

    In the end, O’Neill was never able to find a definitive link between Manson and West aside from the fact that the two had occupied the same space at the same time.

  293. geokat62 says:
    @denk

    Look at the 2019 cover again…
    YOu missed the four horseman of Apocalypse, one with mask ?

    • Thanks: denk
    • Replies: @A punter
  294. @denk

    Yes I missed the mask on the one of the four horsemen. Great catch.

    Hubbard was a crackpot and I don’t know how you tie her to the United States Army. Pretty sure no official statement by any American soldier ever promoted killing 25% of humans. At least she didn’t go full Georgia Guidestones and promote culling 11/12.

    Wouldn’t that be amazing if the crew who got (almost) everybody to wear the useless masks did it for aesthetic purposes to square up with arcana of an Economist cover?

    • Replies: @denk
  295. @Wizard of Oz

    Maybe mafia culture is really media mafia culture like Godfather, Goodfellas, &c.

    The only people who know what goes on inside the mafia (they almost certainly don’t call it that) are in the mafia.

    To be clear maybe call it “might makes right” which is unambiguous and dates to Thucydides and Plato at least. It remains very popular today and it’s association with America is because of America’s might. You think the Portuguese wouldn’t be doing it if they had the numbers?

  296. denk says:
    @Morton's toes

    HUbbard is a crackpot

    She’s in some mighty good company tho..

    Im sure you heard about these…

    BIll Gates

    The world today has 6.8 billion people…that’s headed up to about 9 billion. If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 to 15 percent.”

    [MORE]

    Rockefeller

    For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure–one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”

    We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis.

    Eric Pianka

    “War and famine would not do. Instead, disease offered the most efficient and fastest way to kill the billions that must soon die if the population crisis is to be solved. AIDS is not an efficient killer because it is too slow. My favorite candidate for eliminating 90 percent of the world’s population is airborne Ebola (Ebola Reston), because it is both highly lethal and it kills in days, instead of years. “We’ve got airborne diseases with 90 percent mortality in humans. Killing humans. Think about that. “You know, the bird flu’s good, too. For everyone who survives, he will have to bury nine” ~

    ~ Prince Philip

    In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation.

    Tip of an iceberg.

    pssst…
    Is this their victory lap ?

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1236255/Coronavirus-latest-four-horsemen-coaches-british-flight

    • Thanks: kali
  297. denk says:
    @InnerCynic

    Scratch any known deadly virus and you find a US gof underneath..

    SARS, SARS2, eBOLA, swine flu,
    Spanish flu, bird flu…

    ON h5n1, h7n9

    This planet has already achieved a delicate balance between all species, long before we arrived. But the self-deluded geniuses wanted more excitement to the show. There is a conspiracy to spread the flu virus at the widest coverage possible, and it’s not just a theory.

    The scientists themselves who were conducting the specific research on how they made H7N9 virus increase its rate of human transmissions are already publicizing it.

    https://eclinik.net/heres-the-proof-flu-virus-was-deliberately-weaponized-for-widest-transmission/

    H5N1 AND H7N9 have hit China multiple times.

  298. @Wizard of Oz

    JUDEO-MASONIC culture. How’s that instead of the red herring of Sicilian mafia (“the Mafia”, “the Mob”) to characterize organized crime everywhere. Which most people associate with Marlon Brando and Al Pacino.

  299. Smith says:
    @Deep Thought

    Ewww, disgusting thoughts.

    You have a sick mind, dude.

  300. @Ken Meyercord

    AND the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. And many more places, in the USA and abroad, as well.

  301. Joe Wong says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Kidnapping, blackmail, assassination, violence, waging wars, lie, cheat, steal, ransacking, cult culture, etc. morally defunct and unscrupulous behavior and characteristics are associated with Mafia or triad. People attribute Mafia culture to Americans because Americans and their government have been demonstrating the same behavior and characteristics as the behavior and characteristics associated with Mafia.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Blissex
  302. @Ron Unz

    That commentary by JW appears to miss what should be the most outstanding point at issue for any wanna-be Holocaust revisionist: cremation. The document which Irving himself was citing in the letter to the Times of 1966 was from March 10, 1945, where the German authorities themselves had found 18,375 at Dresden and were expecting to find more until the total reached about 25,000. Now it’s true that such numbers should not be set in stone. There is the possibility that eventually the real numbers might actually double. But the only way one can hope to go far 35,000 as a plausible theoretical guess is if one assumes that huge numbers of bodies were incinerated in the bombing without a trace being left.

    [MORE]

    It’s not really relevant how many refugees were in the city at the time. All that matters is how many bodies were turning up after the bombing. If anything remotely comparable to the famed 135,000 had actually died in the bombing then the report of March 10. 1945, should indicate at least 50,000 bodies having been swiftly found with many more turning up everyday. The fact that the report is of 18,375 bodies found with an anticipation of this eventually reaching 25,000 places a severe limit on any further realistic estimates. It’s irrelevant how many refugees were in the city. All that matters is where are the bodies?

    This is ironic because one of the most pertinent points made by the more cool-headed Holocaust revisionists centers on cremation. Did 437,000 Hungarian Jews really all go up in smoke within just a few summer months at Auschwitz? There are grounds for questioning that claim. But that charge is certainly more plausible than the assertions made about Dresden which would require a rapid vanishing of bodies in the midst of a firestorm caused by a bombing which, no matter destructive, was really a brief operation.

    As far as the sales rank of the Lewis volume, that makes no sense as an argument. If you wanted to believe that somehow the documents which he had gained access to were all being faked in an effort to discredit Irving then it would make more sense to expect his book to be extensively featured in the New York Review of Books and such. The fact that his book was largely ignored doesn’t fit with the idea of this as a stealth operation to discredit Irving. Of course there’s nothing surprising about such a book being ignored. Most of the historical studies which release new pertinent information are not given wide publicity and have low sales. Both Irving and Lipstadt have outsold Lewis many times over. That is totally irrelevant to the historical truth.

    • Replies: @BaronAsh
  303. @Joe Wong

    Of course you will see that a problem worthy of posing to Confucius and other sages is posed. How far should collective punishment go for what is outside people’s control. When can one justifiably swallow the humbug and pretend millions of people are responsible enough to be punished? That the Chinese government kidnaps people and holds them hostage** is well known and intended by the new super power to be well known. Germans and Japanese were not being “punished” by bombing in WW2. That was just the only terrorist pressure available at the time against opponents who had rather large armed forces available and in use.

    We should perhaps try and be clear too about what constitutes punishing the powerless. When it became clear that sanctions against Iraq were being made to affect child mortality more than the comfort of Baathist cadres did that become wanton punishment of the innocent? Was there a realistic likelihood of it leading to a morally acceptable government being established in Iraq or some other justification?

    Given that, in even the countries closest to being anything that degrees the name of democracy there is likely to be substantial oppositiion to government policies (lie invading Iraq) and that authoritarian governments like China’s are no more a reflection of the personal morality of Chinese than the workings of DC emerge from middle America how can one justify attributions such as yours to Americans, or Chinese? Can one find an exception in a country like Nazi Germany where, years after Hitler’s election and abolition of democratic forms he won the votes of huge majorities? Clearly one can’t attribute foreknowledge of full Nazi wickedness to those voters who were both subjected to sophisticated propaganda and benefiting from prosperity (as in China today). As I write the best justification for anything like judgement on whole peoples that they may have to be, in effect, punished, is that they have been taken over by a totally unacceptable mind set. That could maybe have been said of Nazi Germany. If it had only been the Jews who were the intended victims of that mind set the world could have responded as in the end it did, albeit mostly inadequately, with humane treatment of refugees. [I got diverted here. Maybe we are both/all lucky. FWIW I would like informed comment on my source of diversion: emails from Electroverse.net]. Historically supernatural and ideological religions have taken over to the point where it could be argues that potentially genocidal attacks on them seem to be necessary. Moses and God couldn’t think of any other way of dealing with the Midianites or Amalekites. Jihadist Islam might qualify several Muslim countries for devastating clash-if-civilisations blows if they weren’t so backward technologically that they can be simply monitored as was not possible for Medieval Christianity (or Muslims wrt the crusaders) any more than Protestantidm could safely ignore counter Reformation Catholicism.

    **my friend just retired from President Xi’s service as interpreter tells me that I should recognise the superbly Confucian finesse that the obvious candidates for my concern are, amongst civilised people who, unlike Muslim Uighurs, count, it was just a couple of Canadians who would understand how delicately the point was being made as they suffered in 5 Star accommodation.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  304. RobinG says:
    @Joe Wong

    The world is expecting better of the USA, and hope the Americans could return to their sense, stop being a destructive force of the world and a negative energy of humanity.

    [Many?] Americans also hope.

  305. BaronAsh says:
    @Ron Unz

    I didn’t read the Lipstadt book but I did read most of the 2000 page court transcript of the trial (also much of the two Zundel trials when they were still available including the fascinating Vrba eyewitness testimony), and one interesting takeway from Judge Gray (?) was that, even though he came down against Irving, he was extremely surprised to learn just how little about the Holocaust was indeed factually established. It had been touted as ‘the most documented event in human history’ which might indeed be true, but documents and facts are not necessarily co-emergent. Lord of the Rings, for example, is a document.

    As I recall, they used the many minutia in his many works plus known association with right-leaning groups who attended his lectures to establish a pattern that he was a Hitler-worshiping, Churchill-hating fanatic who thus minimized Hitler’s atrocities since they didn’t fit in with his biased portrayals. What of course they buried is that one of Irving’s prime characteristics as a historian of the period is that he went to the original source material, be it found in German or, later, Russian archives, basing his conclusions on such materials.

    Sukarov has many interesting articles/books on how the Russian axis strategy and tactics were far different from how post-war historians portray them, principally that Hitlers attack in the summer was pre-emptive (also why it was rushed). Germany had their own secret service (run in part by ‘Gestapo Mueller’ who was later extensively interviewed) and they determined that Russia was about to attack the West, starting in Germany, and had already amassed a force of about one million paratroopers who would land along with airplanes whose wings would be unbolted and the remaining central body were tanks capable of cruising at speed on the German autobahn (no such highways existed where the airplane-tanks were mustered on Russia’s Western front). These forces were not configured to defend against an attack and so were folded up rapidly once the German divisions came marching in. About 900,000 ‘Free Europeans’ – including small contingents of French and English – volunteered to defend European civilization from a communist takeover. Stalin had announced that he intended to go all the way to Lisbon. He might have succeeded to if he had managed to roll up the Germans first with that initial massive surprise attack. Many of these volunteer divisions suffered 90% casualty rates in the ensuing war. The West owes much to these unsung heroes whose sacrifice goes largely unknown and thus unrecognised because it doesn’t fit the established post-war narratives.

    It was these post-war narratives that Irving mainly exposed as logically and factually challenged and if some of the conclusions one could reach from his different fact pattern were followed logically, other narratives – such as the Holocaust ones – started to become wobbly. And since that is not to be desired under any circumstances, even though he never mentioned it all that much, people who were into revising that narrative were drawn to his reappraisal of the entire sweep of WWII, including especially a very different view of who Hitler was and what he was trying to accomplish. To this day writing about him as anything other than a demented demon is a dicey business. It’s even worse than coming out as someone who doesn’t think it a good idea to take an untested new type of shot which is falsely describing itself as a ‘vaccine’ and whose original developers are warning that it is being way over-prescribed, especially to the young and non-immune compromised.

    Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme…..

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @SolontoCroesus
  306. BaronAsh says:
    @ivan

    I get the cut of your jib. That’s the problem with extremist propaganda / rhetoric. It is so extreme that in order to countermand it one tends to be extreme in the opposite direction. Indeed, extremism generally makes the reasonable middle hard to discern since many inculcated with Extreme X or Extreme Y find Middle M also extreme since anything that does not agree with their own extreme view appears extremely confrontational and thus beyond the pale of acceptable discourse and hence worthy of ostracization, shunning, censorship.

    Irving grew up steeped in post-war propaganda about AH whose principal purpose was to cast we the Allies as the Good Guys and our opponents as Devils Incarnate. That we starved hundred of thousands – indeed millions – to death between 1945 – 1948 is to this day largely unknown. I seem to recall that about 13 million Germans were killed and/or displaced during those three years, with far more deaths than during the entire war, and with over three million German women, including young prepubescent girls and old crones, being raped by the invading Russian military men. American troops were also terrible in this regard but in far lower numbers.

    So anything Irving wrote against the dominant narratives which were long established as ‘facts’ would involve going straight into Force 10 culturo-historical headwinds. It is strange: in many ways he has more than proved most of his main points, but the result has been that he ended up being silenced and marginalized. In such meta-narrative wars, he who is standing last with the megaphone in the public square gets the last word. The meta-narratives from WWII remain in place to this day despite having been largely debunked.

    (Just like the 9/11 narrative and the JFK narrative.
    And (sorry @Ron) the Covid narrative.
    As long as that Establishment megaphone is left blaring like a siren in the public square, people will continue to believe that another wave of bombings is underway and run for cover accordingly.)

    So Irving basically chose to write in a storm. And in turn stirred up more foul weather himself. Just as no war is entirely clean – for it is a nasty, violent business after all – so no war over meta-narratives allow any party in the fray to get out unsullied.

    • Replies: @ivan
  307. BaronAsh says:
    @Patrick McNally

    I recommend actually reading Irving’s book. As I recall, the heat was so intense that cement pavements turned into glass, and people who had been incinerated on them were transformed into vague outlines in that glass with nary a particle remaining. Some corpses were found at the tops of tall trees blown there by the massive updrafts.

    In Hamburg – and no doubt also in Dresden – most people died before being incinerated as the huge firestorms consumed all the oxygen available creating a type of vacuum which in turn created a huge wind of in-rushing air which fueled the fires further. How did they die before being incinerated you might ask: because their lungs were sucked out of their chests by the fire-engendered vacuum.

    Simply put, the reason there were few corpses than might be expected is because most of Dresden had become a massive outdoor crematorium and the hundreds of thousands therein incinerated had simply ceased to exist in any recognisable physical form. Again: many pavements were exposed to such intense heat that they turned to glass. This is far hotter than any crematorium – many orders of magnitude hotter.

    One final gruesome tale: in Hamburg, there are photos showing entire families roasted alive in the Gaskammer’s all over the city. These were airtight shelters designed against bombing raids although we incorrectly translated them as ‘gas chambers.’ In many of them after one of the first firestorm raids earlier on, the gaskammers were opened up as soon as the streets had cooled down enough to permit passage over them in thick boots, and it was then found that all the people inside had been roasted alive and were entirely desicated such that when touched many of them disintegrated into a combination of ash and dust. It was not possible to transport their bodies out in one piece, put it that way.

    If this happened to people far below the surface in well constructed air raid shelters, imagine what happened to those many above, the hundreds of thousands of refugees mainly in the streets and other open spaces. Basically, they were (literally) holocausted into non-existence, hence their numbers will never be known.

    The 25,000 figure is a completely unrealistic low ball number. Irving may have been bullied into a denial later, but if you read the book it is both compelling and well documented.

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  308. Tdstype2 says:
    @Anonymous

    Er, rubbish just because you say so?

  309. Our lovely little Empire of Evil.

    That being said, any other country, race or culture might be happily doing the same, if it were in the same circumstances.

    Just that our culture of corruption, lack of accountability, and delusions about transparency and “greatness” have allowed this sort of cancer to fester since the WW2.

    We have truly become the Evil Empire, and that’s why we are in a decline that is irreversible.

  310. @GomezAdddams

    You ask: “Why were those Japanese at Fort Detrick not tried as War Criminals?”

    Ans: “Because the US establishment at that time were ALSO War Criminals. Criminals don’t prosecute Criminals.”

  311. ivan says:
    @BaronAsh

    I have always respected David Irving as an honest man, a quality that sad to say varies amongst mainstream historians. I have to agree that the post-war conduct of the Allies was nothing to write home about. Nonetheless one sees the boosters of the Soviet Union, which committed much of these atrocities also ganging up on WC. The simple fact is if Britain had wanted to fight on after the loss of France, there was no way to do it without the USSR.

    I can’t say that those who are against WC for fighting on regardless are all wrong. There is truth on all sides.

    • Replies: @Rose
  312. Ron Unz says:
    @Patrick McNally

    The book by Julian Lewis, Changing Direction

    As an indication that I’m a pretty reasonable person, I’ve gone ahead and ordered the Julian Lewis book. The list price was \$155, and I never would have considered wasting that much money, but I picked up a very good used copy for \$15.

    The book had originally come out in the early 1980s, and I’m extremely suspicious that this second edition supposedly refuting Irving’s claims came out twenty years later, just after Irving was destroyed by that libel lawsuit, giving the Establishment an obvious opening to roll back the facts. So I doubt anything it claims will persuade me, but I’m willing to take a look.

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
    , @L.K
  313. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    That the Chinese government kidnaps people and holds them hostage** is well known and intended by the new super power to be well known…. it was just a couple of Canadians who would understand how delicately the point was being made as they suffered in 5 Star accommodation.

    As usual, you’ve got the facts entirely backwards. It was Canada, at America’s request, that actually kidnapped that top Chinese technology executive as she was merely changing planes in that country. Obviously, if you kidnap an important Chinese individual, it’s hardly surprising that the Chinese might arrest a couple of your nationals who may have been involved in illegal activities in China:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/averting-world-conflict-with-china/

    • LOL: utu
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Tdstype2
  314. I once again want to thank Ron Unz.

    His American Pravda series has been absolutely seminal in both breadth and scope, and has confirmed beyond reasonable doubt long held general intutions of mine, as well as several theories I have held to just be more likely true than not based on what can best be called guesstimates.

    The series have, most importantly from a personal perspective, showed myself – that even though I by no means hold mainstream opinions on most subjects – how much of what the elite doesn’t want the people to know I too have have been unaware of and that in general I have given way too little of my time to investigating what in the liberal postwar world is so often called “conspiracy theories” (And which today is almost is anything the powers that be don’t want people in general to investigate further).

    It is doubtlessly the case as Hermann Göring said while incarcerated during the sham Nüremberg trials: “It is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship”.

    This is even more true today in the western democracies than when Göring said it. In the west today the same people who rule over us have what is in effect a complete control over what can, or will be allowed to, be expressed in mainstream media, television, movies and mainstream publishing and so on.

    Many cheers for Ron Unz!

    • Agree: Rose, emersonreturn
    • Thanks: Ron Unz
  315. RobinG says:
    @BaronAsh

    …airplanes whose wings would be unbolted and the remaining central body were tanks capable of cruising at speed on the German autobahn..

    Presumably you’ve seen the preserved evidence of the existence of these tank-planes? Do tell.

  316. Rose says:

    Hi guys, I was into this a lot last year, nothing like a good conspiracy to keep you fresh and awake BUT, now that even Ron Unz talks about it : ) I kinda moved on to other bizzare horizons but I still have tons of material on US biowarfare and the 1918 Kansas Flu and medical experimentation and the other wonderful things governments do to people. Fortunately they’re kind enough not to tell us about it, some of us might panic and we don’t want that do we! SO, I included a video where they show us how they did the spray experiments in the Bay, no wonder they’re good at it, they’ve been doing it forever. Enjoy!

    US Navy Offensive Biological Warfare “Training” Video Says It All

    1977 Declassified BioWeapons Report
    https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB58/RNCBW_USABWP.pdf

    [MORE]

    Dilyana Gaytandzhieva’s The Pentagon’s Massive Bioweapons Program
    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/07/15/the-pentagon-bio-weapons/

    The Pentagon’s Biological Weapons Program Never Ended, Did Anyone Believe Nixon?
    https://goldenageofgaia.com/2020/04/20/pentagon-biological-weapons-program-never-ended/

    THE NIXON ADMINISTRATION’S DECISION TO END U.S. BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAMS
    https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB58/#9

    U.S. Army Medical History Department
    https://history.amedd.army.mil/booksdocs/wwi/1918flu/ARSG1919/ARSG1919Intro.htm

    A Timeline of Dr. Fauci’s Involvement in Gain-of-Function Research
    https://openairoutreach.wordpress.com/2020/04/29/dr-fauci-funded-the-wuhan-lab-when-it-was-illegal-to-fund-gain-of-function-research-a-brief-timeline-of-the-wuhan-lab-dr-fauci-funded-for-coronavirus-experiments-2/

    For the fans of Peter Daszak
    http://www.peterdaszak.com

    And Finally, The Story of COVID-19 told by Her Creator Shi Zheng-Li Herself

    • Thanks: emersonreturn
    • Replies: @Tdstype2
  317. Rose says:

    Oh, I forgot, Eustace Mullins also told the story of Churchill and his plans to kill most of us with Anthrax.

  318. @BaronAsh

    I read it back in high school in the early 1980s. That link which I posted from Irving’s own site reproduces a letter to the Times which he wrote in 1966 just a few years after the original publication in 1963. It was definitely n0t bullied out of him. He wrote the letter because he himself found the documentation from German sources which showed that German officials had found 18,375 bodies and were expecting the number of dead to rise to 25,000 in the end.

    If there were any reason to suspect that a significant number of bodies had somehow been vaporized without leaving even skeletal remains then you would expect that this would pop up in the assessment of German officials themselves. While the 25,000 is certainly not something to be etched in stone, it does set serious bounds on any higher claim that is realistic. As I recall Richard Evans attributed 35,000 casualties to the bombing. Perfectly plausible, even though it goes beyond what the German officials saw as likely. But if you’re going to start claiming 135,000 then you’re now committed to maintaining that more than 100,000 bodies were so completely vaporized that the German officials themselves didn’t find a trace. That’s not realistic at all.

  319. @Ron Unz

    A sign of a good attitude. At the risk of stating the obvious, the book was not written as a polemic against Irving or even as reference to him. It’s the kind of military history which is really more immersed in other details having nothing to do with the anthrax claims. This is simply something which arises in the course of a bigger book. Hence as is common with any historical inquiry one can expect to go reading through huge amounts of material which is obviously irrelevant to an original point of interest while simply absorbing a larger text. For better or worse that is usually the way that historical data is published.

  320. Thanks Ron!

    Why am I not surprised?

    Read this:

    https://armswatch.com

    Especially Project G-2101.

  321. ld says:

    12 Monkeys came to the games
    with a present from Fort Detrik
    all players got crown of strains
    to take home and make them sick

    We MUST be number one
    we must KILL the competition
    even if it takes
    a biological emission

    Once the enemy is ravaged
    we’ll sell our vaccination
    but not too soon until we prune
    our elder population

    Then we’ll point our finger
    at the countries we deplore
    and blame them for our crimes
    like so many times before

  322. Rose says:
    @ivan

    Churchill had been saved from bankruptcy twice and he was going to be taken care of IF he obeyed his financiers. They were part of a rabid anti-nazi group called the Focus and since Hitler had kicked the masters of international finance, they were very angry, and very Jewish. Hitler wasn’t half anti-semite as we were told he was, there were 150,000 Jewish soldiers in the German military and all those who were useful and wanted to stay in Germany could stay. There were some restricting measures, that was because during the Weimar period many rich Jews were buying the country at one tenth the price while Germans were starving to death so the NS imposed some measures but those were only for the duration of the war, after many partly Jewish people would be given full citizenship. You have to remember also that Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Churchill and Stalin were all half Jewish so they were easy to convince. Hitler let go the Brits at Dunkirk, he sent peace offer upon peace offer, he sent Hesse with a message, he used the Swedish embassy, nothing would move Churchill but once, lord Halifax proposed to at least study one of Hitler’s peace offers, which were very generous, Germany couldn’t fight on two fronts, she was still using 700,000 horses and had very few good tanks, SO Churchill of course got angry and refused to even consider it and after a fight in the Commons, fat boy being more vicious than his opponent won the day, condemning the world to 70 million deaths and the destruction of Europe but the way the allies tortured, starved, raped and killed the German people is unequaled in the annals of the human race, 11 million Germans were killed after the war had ended, which makes no sense unless you have a plan for the extermination of the German race called the Morgenthau Plan, of course. Here are a few links:

  323. ld says:

    12 Monkeys came to the games
    with a virus in their veins
    giving all their crown of strains
    a present from Fort Detrik

    Homeward bound contestants went
    all sickened with the flu
    carrying contagion
    spread by you know who

    We MUST be number one
    we must KILL the competition
    even if it takes
    a biological emission

    Once the enemy is ravaged
    we’ll sell our vaccination
    but not too soon until we prune
    our elder population

    Then we’ll point our finger
    at the countries we deplore
    and blame them for our crimes
    like so many times before

    SORRY WRONG ITERATION

    • Replies: @denk
  324. @RobinG

    Baron Ash wrote:

    . . .a force of about one million paratroopers who would land along with airplanes whose wings would be unbolted and the remaining central body were tanks capable of cruising at speed on the German autobahn

    Robin G responded:

    Presumably you’ve seen the preserved evidence of the existence of these tank-planes? Do tell.

    A quick internet search reveals that Stalin’s engineers produced several novel armored flying tanks

    The Iluyshi II-2
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-2

    The Il-2 is a single-engine, propeller-driven, low-wing monoplane of mixed construction with a crew of two (one in early versions), specially designed for assault operations. Its most notable feature was the inclusion of armor in an airframe load-bearing scheme. Armor plates replaced the frame and paneling throughout the nacelle and middle part of the fuselage, and an armored hull made of riveted homogeneous armor steel AB-1 (AB-2) secured the aircraft’s engine, cockpit, water and oil radiators, and fuel tanks.

    The authors of Never Mind, We’ll Do It Ourselves report that US military in conjunction with CIA developed the Predator —

    https://tinyurl.com/4n9urbsz

    “One of the unexpected benefits of Predator was that we could unbolt the wings, flip them over and rest a missile on top of its pylon . . .”

    So Baron Ash’s description of a plane whose wings could be unbolted, etc., is not that far-fetched.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  325. RobinG says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Get real, and so what. “BaronAsh” wrote –

    “Germany had their own secret service…..and they determined that Russia was about to attack the West, starting in Germany, and had already amassed a force of about one million paratroopers who would land along with airplanes whose wings would be unbolted and the remaining central body were tanks capable of cruising at speed on the German autobahn…”

    He depicts a huge force poised on the border. As opposed to a concept that might (or not) be developed at some future. Buck Rogers vs history. The Baron’s got nothing.

    • Replies: @L.K
  326. L.K says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron Unz to Patrick McNally

    As far as I can tell, you’re just an incompetent fake-historian who has admitted he has no serious background in history, nor has ever published an article. So why should I or any else take anything you say seriously on these matters?

    This Patrick McNally has also ridiculously claimed that the famines which took place in the Lenin/Stalin era Soviet Union were NOT caused by the regime.

    Russian historian Alexander Nikolaevich Yakovlev, himself initially a fervent Stalinist, states:

    Stalin indeed turned out to be a worthy pupil of Lenin’s in his hatred and in his taste for blood. He not only carried on doggedly with Lenin’s criminal endeavors but completed the destruction of the peasant class in the dreadful years of collectivization and dekulakization, the most tragic in Russia’s history. To the sound of executions by rifle and machine gun, the country entered a frightful phase of its development, comparable perhaps only to the years of World War II. The Bolshevik regime did colossal damage to the national economy, destroyed the centuries-old traditions and foundations of the Russian village, and created an essentially feudal kolkhoz-sovkhoz system. The peasantry was finished off—finished off cruelly, bloodily. Except for the lords and masters of the nomenklatura, the entire country was forced for years to stand in line for bread and meat. It is a sin to forget this, a great sin.

    SOURCE: Yakovlev, Alexander N. A Century of Violence in Soviet Russia (pp. 91-92).

    Another leading Russian historian of the Stalinist period, Oleg Khlevniuk, a senior researcher at the State Archive of the Russian Federation in Moscow, wrote in his book “Stalin: new biography of a dictator”:

    …Furthermore, in addition to the 26 million who were shot, imprisoned, or subjected to internal exile, tens of millions were forced to labor on difficult and dangerous projects, arrested, subjected to lengthy imprisonment without charges, or fired from their jobs and evicted from their homes for being relatives of “enemies of the people.” Overall, the Stalinist dictatorship subjected at least 60 million people to some sort of “hard” or “soft” repression and discrimination.

    To this figure we must add the victims of periodic famines or starvation, which during 1932–1933 alone took the lives of between 5 and 7 million people. The Stalinist famine was largely the result of political decisions. In its campaign to break peasant opposition to collectivization, the Stalinist government used famine as a means of “punishing” the countryside. All opportunities to relieve the situation—such as purchasing grain abroad—were rejected. Starving villages had their last stores of food expropriated.

  327. Baron Ash can speak for himself.

    I think Baron Ash’s major point was that Russians had many things that flew and that could attack and did successfully attack Germans in the Eastern campaign.

    Wikipedia seems to agree.

    One implication of this fact-pattern is that Russians were preparing to ATTACK; the Ilyushin-2 was an ATTACK weapon/capability, not a defensive capability: heavy as it was, it was not so nimble that it could engage in border-protecting dogfights with Germans:

    The Il-2 is a single-engine, propeller-driven, low-wing monoplane of mixed construction with a crew of two (one in early versions), specially designed for assault operations.

    Ilyushin-2 was not a border-patrol vehicle, it was a machine built as sturdily as a tank that could fly to where the enemy was and attack the enemy from the air.

    Baron Ash wrote:

    “one million paratroopers who would land along with airplanes whose wings would be unbolted and the remaining central body were tanks capable of cruising at speed on the German autobahn

    Yeah, flight-of-fancy: could be one or two or more of the Il-2 crashed, lost its wings, but stayed in the fight. Surely Spielberg would have scripted it that way. Boeing would have been envious and urged its spies to gather those loosened bolts.

    Larger point is the Il-2 acted like a tank-that-flew, and successfully attacked the enemy in the same manner as a tank.

    RobinG wrote:

    “He [Baron Ash] depicts a huge force poised on the border. As opposed to a concept that might (or not) be developed at some future.”

    In the beginning, wiki says, Russians had fewer than 300 of the craft, but

    “In early 1941, the Il-2 was ordered into production at four factories, and was eventually produced in greater numbers than any other military aircraft in aviation history.
    {snip}
    With 36,183 units of the Il-2 produced during the war, and in combination with its successor, the Ilyushin Il-10, a total of 42,330 were built, ”

  328. L.K says:
    @RobinG

    He depicts a huge force poised on the border.

    Not just poised on the border, but being deployed to attack. In that he is 100% CORRECT.

    In May of 1991, the Moscow daily Pravda, for once, told its readers the truth:

    “Unrealistic (Soviet) plans of an offensive nature were drawn up before the war as a result of an overestimation of our own capabilities and an underestimation of the enemy’s. In accordance with these plans we began deploying our forces on the western frontier. But the enemy beat us to it.”

    • Replies: @RobinG
  329. RobinG says:
    @L.K

    Yeah, thanks to S2C, who got it from the omnipotent Wiki-P, they had <300 of these clunkers. Mr. BaronAsh made the mistake of throwing a fat turd in his own punchbowl, thus tainting himself and his posts irreparably. LOL.

  330. you forgot to mention agent orange as an ¿un?intended bio weapon.

  331. @BaronAsh

    1. In a 1999 review of Viktor Suvorov’s Icebreaker, Teddy J. Uldricks wrote in Slavic Review https://www.jstor.org/stable/2697571?read-now=1&refreqid=excelsior%3A59722c2119b21abb77027e25a7356c8a&seq=2#page_scan_tab_contents
    that Suvorov

    “argues in great detail that Stalin was preparing to launch . . .an attack on German forces in the summer of 1941, . .
    In support of this scheme, Suvorov conjures up images of tens of thousands of Soviet tanks equipped with wheels rather than tank tracks designed to speed down the Autobahn, of fabulous flying tanks whose wings and tails could be discarded as the vehicles entered combat, and of enough crack paratroopers to darken the skied over Germany!”

    It appears Baron Ash got his information not from Buck Rogers but from Viktor Suvorov.

    Since Uldricks’ 1999 essay, Suvorov’s arguments have been studied assiduously and supported in the main argument — that Stalin started World War II — by mainstream historians such as Sean McMeekin, as well as by several regular contributors to Unz Review:

    PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
    https://www.unz.com/proberts/rescuing-the-history-of-world-war-ii-wear-vs-suvorov/

    LAURENT GUYÉNOT
    https://www.unz.com/article/barbarossa-suvorovs-revisionism-goes-mainstream/

    2. How were the bolts loosened/removed?

    3. Suvorov discusses Russian tanks that exceeded anything Germans or USA had in design and quantity. Among other things, the caterpillar tracks could be removed and so the tank could run on paved roads. Russia did not have paved roads; this design element contemplated invading another country; it was an offensive-aggressive, not defensive, design.

    4. What evidence is there for “one million paratroopers?”

    5. According to Suvorov (not Sukarov), Russians began planning the Il-2 “virtually a flying tank” (Suvorov, Icebreaker) in ~1938; according to Wiki, “In early 1941, the Il-2 was ordered into production at four factories.”
    Operation Barbarossa commenced end of June, 1941. From a starting-point of 249 planes, Russia began building aggressive airplanes that were “unique in all of aviation” at least 3 months before the German operation began.

    6. Aircraft with folding wings are not Buck Rogers fantasies; they exist. Did Russia make planes whose wings could be removed? Why is that the most important notion to attack?

  332. denk says:
    @ld

    Then we’ll point our finger at the countries we deplore
    and blame them for our crimes like so many times before

    Thats their MO alright.

    Spanish flu, SARS, bird flu,
    swine flu, Ebola, BUbonic, …..SARS2 aka COVID.

    The fact that several selective delivery systems for biological/chemical warfare have already been documented within the borders of the United States adds credence to the perception that a flu planted in another country could be used as a cover for a selective devastation of certain demographic groups within the First World. The declaration of a global pandemic gives the WHO the power to mandate vaccinations, overriding sovereign national law concerning the right of refusal.

    https://www.activistpost.com/2013/05/united-states-accused-of-planting-avian.html

    • Replies: @Blissex
  333. @Ron Unz

    LOL! Given your accumulating errors of fact (not too bad for a journalist** writing as much as you do, though the occasional admission of error would be a nice surprise) that’s pretty rich. I was inclined to throw up my hands and shout BS with an obscene laugh until I remembered that the law was a curious omission from your known interests or even humble bragging profession of ignorance.

    I share your distaste and disdain for the Canadian behaviour in the case of the Huawei executive (and fear Australia might have done no better) but is it not a straightforward regular extradition case as a matter of law? (Again, if you object to extradition in nearly every case – especially to overcharging, plea bargaining America where the pretence is made that Australian defendant and jury would speak the same language – I am with you).

    I am not sure your logic hasn’t also let you down. How do you get from the US and Canada misusing extradition law to justifying China”s retaliation? Natural for an unfettered super power, and not easy for an American to be pious about, but, in the end how are you going to rebut my small country’s objections to China’s taking hostages just as I object to America warping our IP law (the “Disney Clause” in our so-called Free Trade Agreement which George W and our PM confected) and extraditing a young man to the US who had never been there so 5 years of incarceration could be wound up with a plea bargain?

    Most of what you linked relevantly is here:

    “Canada had arrested Ms. Meng on American orders, and this morning’s newspapers reported that a former Canadian diplomat had suddenly been detained in China, presumably as a small bargaining-chip to encourage Ms. Meng’s release. But I very much doubt such measures will have much effect. Once we forgo traditional international practices and adopt the Law of the Jungle, it becomes very important to recognize the true lines of power and control, and Canada is merely acting as an American political puppet in this matter. Would threatening the puppet rather than the puppet-master be likely to have much effect?”

    So, why have you now added “kidnap” and the suggestions of criminality by the Canadian hostages to your story?

    No, it was not a good chance to hunt down incidental error when you chose to pick up that minor part of my reflective reply to Joe Wong. If you want to make an extended case for China being a “normal” country as you have described it in contrast to the US then at least a dedicated article will be needed. I don’t envy you: Godfrey Roberts is sure to try and help.

    **no insult intended. You might wish one day, like Julian Assange, that you counted as a journalist.

  334. Tdstype2 says:
    @Ron Unz

    It’s not a case of may be guilty, those 2 Canadians are guilty as hell. The drug smuggler was arrested 3 times in Canada for drug offences. The guy who claimed to be “ just doing business” was, well he admitted he was doing business with N Korea. Any person caught by the US doing business with N Korea under US sanctions will be jailed by Uncle Sam as well…

  335. Tdstype2 says:
    @Rose

    Truth is not stranger than fiction, just more unbelievable!

  336. kali says:

    At first glance, mind-control and biological warfare might seem entirely dissimilar topics, but they actually share considerable areas of overlap. Both required the creation and use of dangerous biological or biochemical agents, which for maximal effectiveness must then be tested upon unwilling human subjects, often in dangerous or lethal ways. Since in this regard they obviously operate outside the boundaries of normal legality, especially in peacetime, their use must be kept entirely secret, naturally matching them with the proclivities of an intelligence agency such as the CIA. Throughout his book Kinzer emphasized the considerable overlapping personnel and resources between these two domains.

    Is it, therefore, beyond the realms of possibility that an initial outbreak in China was then used as a psychological weapon against the rest of the world, particularly the west, to induce mass panic within entire populations?

    And leading on from that, is it also beyond the realms of possibility that a biological warfare agent might be deliver into those populations via injection of that agent directly into the bloodstream?

    [MORE]

    Given:a
    – The stated agenda of so many globalist organisations and individuals to significantly reduce the worlds population,
    – The inevitability of population collapse due to peak-oil.
    – The Plutocratic global elites desire to maintain their monopoly of power.
    – Resulting in a need for them to control the demolition of said populations,

    Is it beyond the realms of possibility that those organisations and individuals would conspire to bamboozle their “subjects” into agreeing, or acquiescing under duress, to participation in a purported “vaccine” drive, albeit that said “vaccine” is, IN FACT an experimental genetic technology which induces the subjects own body to produce a foreign and deadly protein? Particularly given the indisputable fact that cures and treatments for the disease already exist and are being deliberately suppressed.

    https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-ivermectin-blackout/article_e3db8f46-f942-11eb-9eea-77d5e2519364.html

    Or should we limit our enquiry into this world-changing event to discovering the origins of an initial outbreak of a new disease in China? Ought we limit our intellectual curiosity to answering just this one question in a sea of so many important questions?

    May I humbly submit that only a fool, a compromised individual or a co-conspirator would consistently, to the exclusion of all other key elements of this attack on humanity, not only focus on this one, increasingly trivial question, but would simultaneously castigate those who explore all other questions as “conspiracy theorists” and “crackpots”.

    Regards,
    Kali.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  337. Ron Unz says:
    @kali

    And leading on from that, is it also beyond the realms of possibility that a biological warfare agent might be deliver into those populations via injection of that agent directly into the bloodstream?

    This is not a vaxxing article and only very slightly touches on Covid. There’s now a new place for you to go on those topics, and future comments here along those lines will mostly be trashed:

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/covid-to-vaxx-or-not-to-vaxx/

    Also, it’s partly my fault but comments focusing primarily on WWII including the Suvorov Hypothesis are also off-topic here, and less likely to be published.

    • Replies: @kali
  338. @RedpilledAF

    I would be a little surpised if Churchill – the Prime Minister of the Uk for most of WWII – had a jewish mother since it has never been mentioned by for instance David Irving – for instance in the video that Mr Unz inlcuded in an embedded form in this article or in his book Churchill’s war but it’s certtainly not impossible.

    It fits with what Obervator said of the woman, She was apparently known to use her sexuality to advance her interests – in other words openly flouting the mainstream norms of the (host) society in which she lived which is typical for the radical trait present in the jewish people and also typical of the jewish tendency to subvert the prevailing norms of the host society (Both of the traits are of course very closely linked).

    Ordinarily I wouldn’t ask about your statement – no offense meant but almost every important controversial person that has acted against the interests of christian euopeans has been has accused of being jewish or having jewish ancestors at some time or another – but your statement together with Obervator’s description of the woman make this intrugue me more than usual.

    I am always a bit sceptical when so and so who is a controversial, important person is claimed to be jewish without any evidence or sources given by somebody I don’t know – It’s nothing personal but I many times have seen claims of a similar type made that when investigated are faulty or where it’s impossible to reach any definite or any conclusion at al.

    I would terribly grateful if you could provide a source with hard facts about the matter at hand so I would be able to make my own assessment.

    If what your saying is true Churchill’s personal hatred of Hitler and also his wish to commit a genocide against them falls in a new light.

    Thank you in advance.

  339. Blissex says:

    As to “strange” chemical/biological warfare the most terrifying news that I have read in a long while have been:

    http://www.newsweek.com/2014/08/01/behind-scenes-putins-court-private-habits-latter-day-dictator-260640.html

    [MORE]

    «The luxury hotel his administration will occupy is inspected. The FSB and the SVR cooperate in this delicate matter. How secure is that room? How bio-contaminable is this bathroom?
    The court has established itself on foreign soil a week before he arrives. The hotel becomes the Kremlin. They have booked and sealed 200 rooms. There is a special lift uniquely prepared for the presidential use. Diplomats cluck and confer with pot-bellied FSO inspectors and clammy-handed protocol officers.
    His room is sealed: no one is allowed access to it. This is the work of the special security team. The hotel sheets and toiletries are removed and replaced. Their places filled with wash stuffs and fresh fruit under special Kremlin anti-contamination seals.
    Meanwhile everything he will need arrives by the planeload: Russian cooks, Russian cleaners, Russian waiters. Russian lorries bleep and dock with two tons of Russian food. He will sleep on this soil one night. Meanwhile, teams of diplomats engage in multi-session food negotiations with the host.
    The President cannot be served milk products, though that is contradicted by orders of Russian security services. The President cannot be offered food by the host – including the head of state or government. The embassy finds itself negotiating a tough position in countries with a rich culinary heritage: the President cannot consume foreign foodstuffs that have not been cleared by the Kremlin.
    There is uncertainty here amongst the negotiators. Perhaps the President is secretly lactose intolerant? More likely, he is merely paranoid about poisoning. Russian materials are shipped in advance for the Presidential platter, where local cooks will be supervised by the FSB, SVR, FSO and their team of tasters. The President has refused to even touch food at foreign banquets.»

    BTW the USA president’s food and supplies are subject to the same security measures at both the White House and abroad:

    https://www.thrillist.com/travel/a-guide-to-nashvilles-funky-side

    «With a strictness rivaled only by movie theaters, you’re not allowed to take outside food into the White House. When visiting chefs cook there, they can’t bring pre-prepared sauces, as all ingredients must be obtained by the kitchen staff through secret and secure sources.»

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vladimir-putin-employs-a-full-time-food-taster-to-ensure-his-meals-arent-poisoned-9624380.html&gt;

    «the US president doesn’t eat anything that hasn’t been prepared by White House stewards and served by a White House heavy in waiter’s uniform. If the Prez is attending a foreign summit, his minders find out what’s on the menu before the trip, and fly the ingredients over from Washington. Anyone dining with Mr Putin these days will probably find that the same rule applies – and that he’s brought his own salt, pepper, HP sauce, bottled water and napkin along with him.»

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2293943/Mystery-remains-Obamas-rumored-Taster-Chief-president-forgoes-eating-Republicans-Hill-food-screener-wasnt-hand.html

    «Former Secret Service agent Joseph Petro didn’t go into much detail in his 2005 book about his career protecting presidents but did write, ‘In principle, nothing edible gets near the President unless we know where it comes from and who has handled it.’ In his book, Standing Next to History, Mr Petro revealed that when the president travels abroad, special White House stewards are given the menu in advance for formal dinners. The stewards bring the ingredients from the U.S., prepare the food and serve it to the president, though it will appear exactly like those options presented to the other guests. […] George H.W. Bush would frequently eat out in the Beltway and according to a Washington Post article in July 1990, he always brought his taster, bottled water and his own condiments to a restaurant. The Post reported that on one occasion, Bush’s Taster-in-Chief actually washed all the flatware and plates before the first couple ate. The taster would also sample food and taste any wine that was served.»

    The crucial detail here that many people miss is that in the usian and russian case these are not anti-poisoning precautions, they are designed to prevent contamination with *non-lethal* “stuff”. That is what is terrifying.

  340. Blissex says:
    @denk

    «The declaration of a global pandemic gives the WHO the power to mandate vaccinations, overriding sovereign national law concerning the right of refusal.»

    How many ICBMs has the WHO got in their vast military arsenal? Please tell us… 🙂
    Of all the stupid imbecilities that one can read, the notion that the WHO can give order to nuclear armed powers like Israel, India, UK, France, USA, Russia, China, and these nuclear armed powers cannot refuse the orders of the WHO, is one of the most amazingly stupid.

    • Replies: @denk
  341. Blissex says:
    @Joe Wong

    «Kidnapping, blackmail, assassination, violence, waging wars, lie, cheat, steal, ransacking, cult culture, etc. morally defunct and unscrupulous behavior and characteristics are associated with Mafia or triad.»

    It is quite the opposite: those are associated with many governments since time immemorial and since the “mafia” and the “triads” and organized gangs are in effect alternative governments (control of territory. protection racket, are characteristics of feudalism: feudalism was territorial gangsterism and viceversa territorial gangsterism is feudalism) they use those behaviors too.

  342. geokat62 says:

    Ahnold speaking on behalf of our hostile elites…

    Schwarzenegger: You’re a Schmuck! Screw Your Freedom!”

  343. denk says:
    @Blissex

    kiddo

    During the SARS scare, the master of universe aka FUKUS deep state actually floated the idea of giving WHO the mandate to quarantine any country hit by a pandemic, they had their sight on
    China of course.

    WHO needs ICBM when sheeples are already scared shitless and line up for the jab, the recalcitrant ones are darkly warned that very soon those without the mark of beast will not be allowed to participate in society , effectively rendered an outcast. ?

    now go back to your harry potter .

  344. kali says:
    @Ron Unz

    Thank you for your reply and for opening up a dedicated thread for such a vital conversation, Mr Unz.

    [MORE]

    I have to admit to being somewhat perplexed that in a conversation specifically about biowarfare, which includes the very likely “sars-cov2” bioweapon, discussion of another likely delivery mechanism for bioweapons is excluded, but of course I will respect your wishes and say no more about it here.

    But I owe you an apology, Mr Unz. I have repeated my evaluation (fool/compromised/complicit) more than once on your website. Yet upon deeper reflection, a fourth possibility presents itself, that, like so many others since the beginning of this world-changing event, you are fearful. And who on earth can blame you for that!

    I therefore offer you my sincere apology. I may not understand the position you take on this matter, and I may even harbour certain suspicions regarding that position given your record of intellectual curiosity and capacity for exacting analysis of data, but none of that is an excuse to overlook your natural human inclinations. We are all, indeed, created equal, and all equally free to choose our own path even though it may be beset with dangers.

    Once again I would urge you to take seriously the fears many of us using your website are expressing with regard to the deployment of a deadly bioweapon via “the vaxx” and ask that, rather than relegate us to an ignored sand-box on your site, that you join us there from time to time to read what we have to say.

    I hope this comment is not too far off topic to warrant publication.

    Thanks,
    Kali.

  345. Blissex says:

    «he made a detailed and rather persuasive case that instead of being natural, the Covid virus devastating our country and the rest of the world was artificial, the product of some lab. […] his 2020 book documenting America’s own extensive biological warfare program.»

    But the two things are not necessarily related: a bioweapon can be entirely natural simply harvested from the field (as demonstrated by the SARS-CoV-2 Alpha and Delta variants that seem to have evolved quite naturally), and an artificially modified virus does not need to be a bioweapon, it can just be an experiment. If some government hostile to China had wanted to sabotage with a bioweapon an important economic node like Wuhan they should have preferred a naturally evolved virus.

    My guess is that it is somewhat likely that Wuhan was targeted for sabotage with an epidemic, but I would think that Vietnam or India are more likely sources than the USA, being engaged in direct confrontation with it (South China Sea and Himalaya), and wishing to weaken its economy, which is China’s main advantage over them, and both certainly have the capability to select and spread some suitable virus.

  346. @Blissex

    My guess is that it is somewhat likely that Wuhan was targeted for sabotage with an epidemic, but I would think that Vietnam or India are more likely sources than the USA,

    Are you trying to say that the WHO should now search for the Covid origin in India and/or Vietnam? So, why doesn’t the US of A be honest and publicly say so– instead of trying to insinuate China?!!!

  347. Blissex says:

    «the WHO should now search for»

    The WHO is a bureaucracy, not an investigative agency, so the WHO as such cannot do investigations, but it can one day perhaps endorse somebody else’s investigation with its brand. So I would not expect much from the WHO.

    «the Covid origin in India and/or Vietnam?»

    The virus could have evolved in Colombia or Mozambique, and then “harvested” by someone, or developed in any laboratory wherever, and then acquired by someone.
    The question is, wherever the virus was found, whether the virus was engineered, who was most likely brought it to Wuhan to sabotage a central node of the chinese economy, if that was done (and it is not unlikely). The USA have an economic dispute with China, but Vietnam and India have territorial claims on China, and have fought wars with China far more recently than the USA.

    «So, why doesn’t the US of A be honest and publicly say so– instead of trying to insinuate China?!!! »

    Vietnam and India are with Japan and the USA part of the “Quad” group of declared adversaries of China, and the USA and Japanese government would presumably very happy indeed if the former two government do dirty deeds against China, far from denouncing it.

    [MORE]

    The USA has shredded the Nuclear Non-Proliferation-Treaty to help India develop nuclear bombs, and as to Vietnam it has made by far the most outrageous claims in the South China Sea, and has built many based on fake islands there, to control trade among ASEAN members and vital chinese supply routes, but the USA never say anything about that, and only blame China:

    https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/how-vietnam-quietly-built-10-islands-asias-most-disputed-seahttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Spratly_with_flags.jpg

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  348. @Triteleia Laxa

    I actually agree to a very large degree with your post, your troll repliews from other people withstanding.

    I find it incredibly unlikely that the release of Sara-Cov-2 would be a biowarfare attack since the any biowarfare attack, if you don’t want to expose yourself as the culprit immedately by shutting down your borders (Anthrax being an exception), implies the risk of serious blowback.

    I also agree with your assessment that if this were a biowarfare attack the US would have had either an antiviral drug or a vaccine almost ready to use (almost to provide plausible deniability).

    However, the value of the American Pravda articles is not always the main thesis being examined, but nuggets of information about things related to the matter at hand to be found in the text that one can use to strengthen or weaken theories one has thought about earlier.

    And some theories brought forward are more plausible than others, with the texts argumenting for the planned demolition of WTC 1 and 2 and these texts the weakest in my opinion – in the case of WTC 1 and 2 the placed demolition charges and the electrical wiring or the detonation cord would have had to withstand first an incredibly violent impact with several tens of tons of material travelling at approx 150 m/s which surely would destroyed many charges and broken the detonation cord and/or electrical wiring in coutless places, and the wiring and detonation cord would also have to withstand about 30 minutes of 800 degrees C because of the fire. That doesn’t add up.

    You have yourself listed the strongest arguments against Sars-Cov-2 being a biowarfare attack in your comment that I’m replying to.

    Still, there are many interesting bits of fact to be found in the text, and in general I trust Mr Unz ability to read a text and see which side of a question has the strongest arguments since his evalutions of books I’ve read match closely with my own (They are not many, but we hold very similar opnions about those texts/essays/books). When I read a semester long course in philosophy there was a two month period when we were trained in formal argumentative analysis and that is probably the most valuable course I have ever taken which I found pretty easy but very enlightening and useful for making sense of an argument (In the sense of a discussion between two or more people with differing or opposite views on a subject).

    So I think that even when I have found they main theory being argumented for by Unz very unconvincing (Less than 10 % chance of being true) I have almost always picked up some interesting facts which I have been able to use to stregthen or lessen my opinion on some other matter.

    Mostly these texts show, and keep reminding oneself of, how utterly evil and/or dysfunctional the institutions which are created to educate the population about the truth of important things are in our society and how much oneself is unaware of even if one holds very unorthodox opinions where the facts goes against the aminstream narrative and is quite well-read or interested in current affairs, and the texts almost all of the time also raise interesting questions which often cannot be answered by a simple yes or no, but must be answered with a probability, although some texts have been able to provide a answer to a question that is undoubtedly right, in my opinion, within reasonable doubt.

    I feel forever grateful towards Unz for writing the series American Pravda, even though there are a few texts whose main thesis I find severly unconvincing, and I hope he continues writing the series for as long as possible.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  349. Ron Unz says:
    @The Ghost Of Emanuel Swedenborg

    I find it incredibly unlikely that the release of Sara-Cov-2 would be a biowarfare attack since the any biowarfare attack, if you don’t want to expose yourself as the culprit immedately by shutting down your borders (Anthrax being an exception), implies the risk of serious blowback.

    I also agree with your assessment that if this were a biowarfare attack the US would have had either an antiviral drug or a vaccine almost ready to use (almost to provide plausible deniability).

    But under my reconstruction, the biowarfare attack was an unauthorized rogue operation, probably orchestrated by a tiny handful of individuals associated with the Deep State Neocons. So the sort of considerations you’re making wouldn’t necessarily apply.

    Also, didn’t the Fall of Kabul just demonstrate the astonishing incompetence of America’s ruling elites? We wasted twenty years and over two trillion dollars for absolutely nothing. Isn’t it possible that such total incompetence might also manifest itself in an exceptionally reckless and ultimately disastrous biowarfare attack against China (and Iran)?

    Don’t forget that as I discussed in my article America’s 1960s plans for using biowarfare to destroy the Soviet wheat crop spectacularly backfired, and apparently destroyed much of the American wheat crop instead.

  350. @Blissex

    A very long reply to 2 “tongue in cheek” questions!!! 😉

  351. When the past, the real past, and our true present are recognized for what they are, America will be able to remake itself into something better.

    Purge what is undesirable and rotten. Fix what makes it so mad and self-destructive. Etc. That and public struggle sessions and executions of anyone advocating or involved in bio-weapon testing (an argument can be made for certain labs, but I think these should be, ironically, public.)

    Maybe then, we can finally unite the damn continent.

  352. Dr. Rock says:

    Quite simply an amazing accounting of mostly forgotten (read:buried) history; I’ve shared it with many.
    I stumbled across “Wormwood” on Netflix, which further humanizes parts of this saga.

  353. JLK says:
    @Ron Unz

    Also, didn’t the Fall of Kabul just demonstrate the astonishing incompetence of America’s ruling elites? We wasted twenty years and over two trillion dollars for absolutely nothing.

    If you’re a contractor with a no-bid arrangement, former military “consultants” on payroll or a politician on their gravy chain, it must have been a good run..

  354. Ed Case says:
    @Iva

    I was very , very sick for a week ,like never in my life. I couldn’t get up from bed and didn’t eat all week.

    Similar happened to me in 1974.
    About 25 years later I had a Q-Fever test and described those symptoms to the doctor.
    He said it sounded like the Flu, which, according to him, is a dangerous illness and
    what most people call Flu is just a bad cold.

  355. Gerard says:

    I think it is also possible that the attacks in China and Iran were by the hand of corporate interests, perhaps big pharma.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  356. Ron Unz says:

    For those so interested, here’s a podcast I just did with Kevin Barrett on this article :

    https://www.unz.com/audio/kbarrett_ron-unz-on-waging-biological-warfare/

  357. Ron Unz says:
    @Patrick McNally

    The book by Julian Lewis, Changing Direction, was printed in its 2nd edition in 2003. The Irving-Lipstadt case happened in 2000. The newly released documents which Lewis draws upon would have just been making their way into the hands of well-connected academic researchers like Lewis at the time of the trial and so would have been of no relevance to Lipstadt’s case.

    The Julian Lewis book arrived, and after reviewing the material, Irving seems almost entirely vindicated. For those interested, here’s the relevant clip of his public lecture under dispute:

    First, the Lewis book was re-released in 2003, just after Irving was destroyed and bankrupted by the libel trial, and as I said it was very likely intended to reaffirm the Official Narrative of WWII now that its leading critic had been eliminated. At the time, Lewis was serving as Tory Shadow Defence Minister, which provides a good sense of his ideological and establishmentarian leanings.

    The text of the book itself provides almost no discussion of the anthrax issue, which instead is referenced in Appendix 8, which merely republishes the author’s article from a February 1982 issue of Encounter, already available on this website for anyone interested, so I could have saved myself the \$15 for a used copy let alone \$155 for a new one:

    https://www.unz.com/print/Encounter-1982feb-00018/

    For those unaware, Encounter for decades was one of the most influential Neocon publications, secretly funded by the CIA during its early years. That doesn’t necessarily mean its articles are false, but should make us a bit cautious.

    As it happens, the charges that Churchill wanted to bombard Germany with hundreds of thousands of anthrax bombs were made in a long feature by BBC Newsnight, one of Britain’s top mainstream news programs in 1981, and reported in more detail by all the leading British newspapers, so it really doesn’t have anything to do with Irving’s own research.

    In particular, documents show that a government warfare committee developed a plan to bombard six of Germany’s largest cities with those anthrax bombs, which they estimated would immediately kill 50% of the entire population, with many dying soon afterward later.

    There are specific quoted documents demonstrating that just as Irving claimed, Churchill wanted to (illegally) bombard Germany’s cities with poison gas in retaliation for Germany’s bombing attacks on London (which were in retaliation for British bombing attacks on Germany). The only question under dispute is whether Churchill also wanted to use anthrax. He said he wanted to “drench Germany with poison gas” and do “anything” else necessary to stop their bombing attacks. So the dispute is over whether or not this also included using the hundreds of thousands of anthrax bombs that Churchill had ordered prepared and tested. The argument made by Churchill’s unwilling subordinates was that the available anthrax bombs weren’t sufficient to destroy all six of the targeted cities, so it would be better to wait.

    I’d entirely admit that the historical interpretation is under dispute, and although Irving certainly seems correct about the poison gas issue, it’s possible that the BBC/MSM version he was relating was incorrect. Maybe “anything” didn’t include anthrax.

    But relative to the Official Narrative of WWII, I’d say that clip of Irving’s was at least 95% accurate. Anyone who disagrees can read the Julian Lewis “debunking” in Encounter linked above.

    It’s always nice when the long-hidden facts are so overwhelming that they can are conveniently collected together in the leading “debunking” article.

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  358. @Ron Unz

    The introduction to the 2nd edition does specifically cite the documents where Churchill spells out his intent that the preparations for anthrax are to be done in preparation for a retaliatory attack if the Germans strike first. You must have skipped over this in order to still maintain the claim that Churchill was planning a first strike. He never did.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  359. Ron Unz says:
    @Patrick McNally

    The introduction to the 2nd edition does specifically cite the documents

    You’re entirely correct. Since the Lewis book was over 550 pages long and deadly-dull, I relied upon the index to locate the relevant pages, and it apparently failed to cover that 2nd edition Introduction, which I’ve now examined.

    Just as you claim, it contains numerous excerpts from bureaucratic documents indicating that the British biowarfare arsenal was only being developed for potentially retaliatory purposes, and wouldn’t involve first use. But if you take this material as conclusive proof of your position, you’re rather naive and gullible.

    As Nicholson Baker and others have documented, America’s own biowarfare program was originally developed under absolutely identical circumstances, and I’m sure you could locate dozens of bureaucratic documents saying exactly the same thing. But when military circumstances demanded it, there is overwhelming evidence that the weapons were used in a first-use, offensive fashion.

    Once again, I find it highly suspicious that the Simon book was reissued with its very long new Introduction immediately after Irving had been destroyed. Moreover, Simon was then serving as Tory Shadow Defence Minister, and I suspect that if other documents had suggested a different picture of Britain’s biowarfare plans under Churchill, he might have excluded those from his new Introduction. With Irving “preoccupied” with his personal banktruptcy and the loss of his home, he would have been in much less of a position to point this out.

    Keep in mind that Britain had similarly signed firm international agreements against the first use of poison gas, yet the documents cited have Churchill planning to “drench” Germany’s largest cities in gas, just as Irving claimed. Also, Britain had similarly signed agreements against the aerial bombardments of open cities, but Churchill had violated these in 1940 primarily in hopes of forcing the Germans to retaliate in kind thereby continuing the war.

    So under the circumstances, it’s far from clear whether or not the hints of Churchill’s plans for use of anthrax bombs can be excluded. However, I’d still grant you that the weight of the evidence has now shifted to the other side, suggesting that the 1980s BBC documentary and its MSM follow-ons may have been mistaken.

    Incidentally, if you haven’t already done so, you really should read the relevant portions of a couple of my own articles on some of these matters:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-secrets-of-military-intelligence/#p_1_69

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-understanding-world-war-ii/

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  360. anaccount says:

    “But under my reconstruction, the biowarfare attack was an unauthorized rogue operation, probably orchestrated by a tiny handful of individuals associated with the Deep State Neocons.”

    That could be true but isn’t it just as probable that the blowback was planned? In other words it wasn’t a bug, it was a feature. Just look at the way society has changed over the last 2 years. All of the major power structures have been bolstered while everyone else has been subdued.

    In order to believe that this was just a rogue operation, you have to assume that these operatives didn’t know the first thing about biological warfare.

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  361. @Randy Dazzler

    The Chinese ‘behaviour’ was consistent with some local slackness early on, then concerted efforts by the Government to suppress what they knew was the long anticipated US bio-warfare attack. It coincides with the economic implosion first seen in the Repo detonation in September 2019, but which was set in chain by the powers that be a few months beforehand. I still think it is a depopulation program, possibly through mass sterilisation, plus a casus belli for war on China, plus a drive to institute totalitarian surveillance and control policies throughout the West, where mass death and impoverishment might set the serfs athinking.

    • Agree: acementhead
  362. @anaccount

    I’d say that the attack was LONG planned as China rose and various subversion efforts were thwarted, and set in train by Pompeo et al. Pompeo strikes me as the most unambiguously Evil creature I’ve ever seen, and that is a ‘Melbourne Cup field’ as they say hereabouts.

    • Agree: acementhead
  363. @Blissex

    The US can release an obviously manufactured chimeric virus with a furin cleavage site simply inserted because it knows the NO MSM presstitute vermin anywhere in the ‘Free World’ will mention its obvious creators nor the gigantic apparatus of the US bio-warfare Establishment or its hideous history. Anyone reliant on those vermin would believe that the only biological lab on Earth is in Wuhan.

    • Agree: emersonreturn
  364. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Yes, I suppose if one approaches something arse-first, it’s difficult to observe it.

  365. Schuetze says:
    @Brás Cubas

    Here is another case I recently stumbled across of the Allies using biowarfare against the German army, in this case it was Typhoid delivered on lice.

    https://archive.org/details/ReportFromPolishSecretArmyOfPolandTyphoidFeverAsAWeaponBiologicalWeaponDuringWorldWarTwo1943/page/n7/mode/2up

    This report from the Polish terrorists working behind German lines, reporting directly to the Polish Government in exile and the English Army, lists the number of their attacks (a few hundred cases in 4 months from January to April 1943) and biowarfare parcels sent (a few hundred). Since this was translated into English it is clear that it was not only created for consumption by Polish leadership.

    This would also be consistent with the continual struggle Germany was having keeping Typhoid outbreaks under control at their labor camps. At Auschwitz in one outbreak thousands of workers died. It is highly likely that these outbreaks were the result of a coordinated attempt to poison and debilitate the workers and also to precipitate mass deaths that would be blamed on Germany after the war. This is consistent with the destruction of rail lines critical for suppling the labor camps with food, and also for the complete obliteration of Dresden a rail hub providing critical food supplies to the labor camps.

    Not only did the Allies blame their fake “holocaust” on Germany, they are the ones who deliberately murdered with bioweapons the thousands of Jews who actually did die.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  366. Schuetze says:

    “Britain had similarly signed agreements against the aerial bombardments of open cities, but Churchill had violated these in 1940 primarily in hopes of forcing the Germans to retaliate in kind thereby continuing the war.”

    Thank you for that. Churchill was an unpredictable drunken madman, and there is no way of being certain under what circumstances he might have used bio or chemical weapons against Germany. Roosevelt, or his German hating officer corps was no better. The double hits by the US against Dresden on the day after it had been firebombed is proof of that.

    We also have the Bari air raid where the Allies were shipping Mustard gas into Italy in preparation for Anzio beach invasion. The US and UK had become bogged down in Italy and were preparing a “daring” landing at Anzio in order to out flank the German army, and they had a supply of Mustard gas ready, supposedly, again, “just in case” the Germans used it “first”. Bari is also on the east coast of Italy, and Churchill and Roosevelt were supplying the Communist Tito in Yugoslavia with all kinds of weapons and supplies. In any case, the Luftwaffe bombed the ships in Bari and the Liberty ship Bari exploded with 600 Mustard gas bombs.

    ” British Prime Minister Winston S. Churchill was partiularly adamant that this aspect of the tragedy remain a secret. It was embarrassing enough that the raid occurred at a port under British jurisdiction. Churchill believed that publicizing the fiasco would hand the Germans a propaganda coup.

    Although the gas was mentioned in official American records, Churchill insisted British medical records be purged and mustard gas deaths listed as the result of “burns due to enemy action.” Churchill’s attempts at secrecy may have caused more deaths, because had the word gone out, more victims, especially Italian civilians, might have sought proper treatment. ”

    WWII Luftwaffe Raid On Bari Revealed US Mustard Gas Shipment

    https://rense.com/general16/WWIIluftwaffe.htm

  367. @Ron Unz

    “still grant”

    Fair enough. I’d just have to reemphasize that even in the bona fide document where Churchill speaks of using gas against Germany he clearly states that this is only to be done if it can shorten the war by a year. That document was written 10 months before VE-Day so there was never really a prospect of gas being using in Europe. Of course anything can be justified when military circumstances demand so there isn’t much point in quibbling over that. The real issue raised by some of the early BBC reports was just about how hell-bent on using this was Churchill, as opposed to just preparing for all options which “military circumstances demanded.”

  368. @Ron Unz

    I am sorry I am replying so late, I never thought I’d get a reply from you.

    The thing that makes me assign a low probability of it being a biowarfare attack is the arguments I’ve listed but i’ll flesh out some of my premises here.

    The mani premise that makes me come to a different conclusion is that I think one has to make a difference between two different kinds of incompetence and stupidity, that might at first glance look the same, but is in fact quite different, with one sort being responsible for the Afghanistan debacle, and a completely other sort of stupidity and incompete4nce having to have been of importance if COVID-19 was indeed biowarfare blowback.

    I wholeheartedly agree with you that the Afghanistan nation building project was doomed to fail and many people, including myself as soon as I became politically aware enough to be interested in geopolitics, realized it was never going to work out fine for the US because of the Afghan culture and the Afghan temperament.
    There is a pashtun saying that goes something like this: “If you’re nearly drowning, stand on the head of your son”. Compare this with the arab saying that goes like “Me against my brother. Me and my brother against my cousins. Me, my brother and my cousins against the world”. Both are extremely nihilistic sayings, but the afghan is clearly worse and shows how the afghans lack any of the qualities neccessary to live in anything but a brutal dictatorship which punishes freeloaders swiftly and without mercy and rather judges someone guilty than sets them free – and if Iraq was a failure we here have one reason why Afghanistan was even worse a failure.

    But back to the incompetence, the incompetence in Afghanistan is of a kind that was all the time completely in line with what mainstream opinion has been in the western international affairs/security policy circles (The Afhan Papers presented in the Washington Post in 2019 where swiftly memory-holed and the foreign policy Blob continued believing in their liberal/tikkun olam delusions of the possibility of a social engineering without any limits, as is the standard view in our liberal society with it’s worship of the blank slate theory.
    Also, no large mainstream campaigns have been brought out against the Afghan war, the Blob was universally of the opinion that things were going fine in Afghanistan.

    But the incompetence and stupidity necessary for a rogue part of the deep state spreading a biowarfare agent in China and then not having taken any precautions, then not doing anything to get the executive to react in the early days after relase of the agent by using leaks to media, for instance: “An anonymous source high up in the intel community says that the new virus epidemic in China is most likely to have a 10 % mortality rate” Washington post would have blared if someone of the usual suspects in the deep state told them that but instead we saw a uniform media response in the beginning that was dismissive of the danger the new virus posed, If I am not completely mistaken (My memory isn’t what it used to be).
    At least Trump took that view early on and we saw no anonymous sources in the IC/deep state trying to whip up fear for the virus to put pressure on Trump to act more forcefully early through leaks to the media.

    To release a biowarfare agent capable of human-to-human-transmission the mainstream opinion is that you have to have a vaccine or treatment ready for your population, or otherwise abstain but if you must release the agent surely an attempt to completely shut down the borders and start a quite authoritarian quarantine even for returning citizens would be the bare minimum things to do, at the absolute latest when the effects of the attack is being seen on international news.
    But here, there was absolutely no reason for a rogue deep state faction to believe that this would be the case with the southern American border being incredibly leaky and slmost impossible to close, and anybody who knows anything about american politics knows that closing that border is among the most controversial things a US president might do, and the neocons are among the people who works most fervently against any heightened security at the southern border sinec they want a minority white USA where jewry has less to fear of whites.

    My point is that in the Afghan case the stupidity and incompetence shown by the foreign policy establishment is easily explained by group think and by the deep state and neocons following mainstream opinion, being that everything in Afghanistan was going great.
    But a lack of the prearations I listed in my previous comment cannot be explained by the same mechanism, since the mainstream view is that if you are to use a biological warfare agent, you need to have a vaccine or a treatment ready, or otherwise preferably abstain from releasing the agent or at the least having a 100 % chance of shutting down your borders completely very early after release of the agent.

    And trusting the executive branch to shut down a notoriously leaky border (which as said the deep state neocons has done their best to frustrate every attempt by Trump to close – which the rogue element must surely have been aware of, if not outright a part of) is an incredibly risky proposition with a biowarfare agent that spreads human-to-human and where about 25 % of Covid-infected persons spread the disease to at least one individual so only four people would have to cross the border during their incubation time – which is on average 7 days with a median time of 5 days for a Sars-Cov-2 infection – to likely introduce the disease in the US.

    Further, the disease chosen by the rogue deep state faction is also much harder to stop than many other diseases since an infected person’s viral load is typically highest just before (and just after) symptoms show up and persons can be highly contagious and have extremely high viral loads without having any symptoms themselves which almost gurantaees an introduction of the disease to your own country if the border is not completely solid. The viral load typically rises linearly the 24 hours before onset of symptoms – if any, with a plateau of maybe 8 hours where the viral load is the highest and then the viral load shrinks to a very low level during the next 24 hours – this is the typical case but of course esxceptions exist. This must have have been known to the rogue neocon faction. >Itäs not realsitic they would choose a disease they knew almost nothing about and released it to the world. It could have had a 28 day mean incubation period, with 25 % being asymtomatic and as likely to spread the disease as anybody who is symptomatic, with a 15 % IFR among young people, which would be something akin to the black plague and a catastrophe if introduced to any impoirtant friendly country, if they had known nothing about the agent they were about to release.

    So this being a case of biowarfare blowback would be a wholly different kind of incomptence and stupidity than what the neocons have done in afghanistan where they went with mainstream opinion as they are want to do (Even though mainstream opnion was clearly faulty to see for anybody not believing in tikkun olam or western late liberalism).
    The rogue neocons would have to have gone completely against mainstream opinion on how to perform a biowarfare attack to have created a biowarfare blowback scenario such as you describe

    And I don’t think most of the neocons are unintelligent, even if many of them do not come of as very bright either, but htey are not dumb.
    Their highly damaging preoccupations seem to me tocome from the countless faulty premises they hold to be absolutely true, much more than their lack of intelligence, and these premises are practically always in tune with mainstream opinion and most often of a highly ideological nature – for instance the blank slate theory, the theory that people living in very different cultures or religions aren’t really that different and the idea that practically everybody yearns for democracy and western style late liberalism.
    But that they should hold the premises that no vaccine or available treatment in the US was needed since the disease wouldn’t arrive there even with an extrmely leaky southern border the neocons have been a part of keeping leaky, also that they should hold the premise that it wasn’t necessary to make up leaks to the press to put pressure on Trump when he was the “it’s just a flu, guy”-guy for the first one-two months of the start of the epidemic/pandemic, also that they should have held the premise that open flights as usual were no problem long after the release of the agent since they did not put pressure on Trump to act early there either – these and similar arguments are a too big of leap of faith for me to take.

    So this to me is what makes the biowarfare blowback scenario much less likely than the countless other cases you so persuasively have argued for in my opinion. Often what you argue for i sdone in a very watertight way so to say where no obvious counterarguments can be found (with the sole exception of the essay making the case that WTC 1 and 2 were a case of controlled demolitions).

    Nevertheless, I want to stresss that I find all your American Pravda articles highly fascinating and enlightening, even if there have been a very few times I have but a low probablility of the main thesis being true.

    /TGoES

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  369. Ron Unz says:
    @The Ghost Of Emanuel Swedenborg

    The thing that makes me assign a low probability of it being a biowarfare attack is the arguments I’ve listed but i’ll flesh out some of my premises here.

    Although your comment history is only a few weeks old, I noticed that you had some sensible things to say on the vaxxing issue. However, I don’t think your arguments about the origins of Covid are very strong. If you haven’t already done so, I would strongly urge you to read my most recent articles on the subject:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-truth-and-the-whole-truth-on-the-origins-of-covid-19/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-george-orwells-virus-lab-leak/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-covid-wuhan-iran-and-several-red-herrings/

    For more than a year after the global epidemic began, there was an overwhelming elite/MSM consensus that the virus was natural, but it seemed based upon almost no solid evidence and nwo appears to have largely collapsed. The MSM consensus increasingly assumes that the virus was artificial and came from a lab. Therefore, there are two realistic possibilities:

    (A) A Chinese lab in Wuhan, with the virus leaking out.

    (B) An American lab, with the outbreak due to an American biowarfare attack on China (and Iran).

    Roughly 100% of the MSM coverage focuses on (A), while I’ve been just about the only person in the world suggesting (B), a position I’ve consistently taken since April 2020.

    As far as I can tell, your only argument against (B) is that you can’t possibly imagine even rogue elements of the American government behaving in such an incredibly reckless manner, which led to our global disaster.

    Okay, but just because you can’t imagine it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Didn’t we publicly assassinate Iran’s top military commander right around the same time? Wasn’t that pretty reckless? And as my article above discusses, during the 1950s and 1960s, our efforts to develop biowarfare weapons to destroy the Soviet wheat harvest disastrously backfired and destroyed much of the American wheat harvest instead. Isn’t that a reasonable analogy?

    If you read through my articles, you’ll see that there’s absolutely ZERO evidence that Covid was created at the Wuhan lab and also ZERO evidence of any lab-leak. Indeed, Australian virologist Danielle Anderson was working at the Wuhan lab at the time, making her the closest thing we have to a credible eyewitness, and she’s extremely doubtful that (1) the virus was created there and (2) that any lab-leak occurred. Again, despite oceans of MSM chatter about a Wuhan lab-leak, there’s absolutely ZERO supporting evidence.

    Meanwhile, there’s enormous evidence of a biowarfare attack against China (and Iran), including the fact that the Iranian political elites in Qom were hit very hard almost immediately after the initial Wuhan outbreak.

    Don’t forget that Robert Kadlec, one of America’s leading biowarfare advocates, had joined the Trump Administration in 2017, and then during 2018 and 2019 mysterious viral epidemics had devastated China’s poultry and pork industries. From Jan to Aug 2019, Kadlec then conducted a national simulation-exercise on how America could best protect itself from the sudden appearance of a dangerous respiratory virus in China…and two months later, exactly that sort of virus appeared in China. What a remarkable coincidence!

    During early November 2019, our DIA circulated a secret report describing a “potentially cataclysmic” disease outbreak in Wuhan…before there was any sign of disease outbreak in Wuhan.

    I summarized much of this in a previous column:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/chinese-media-coverage-biowarfare-and-my-covid-ebook/

    Basically there’s ZERO evidence for (A) and a HUGE mountain of evidence for (B).

    Your only argument on the other side is that you can’t believe anyone associated with the American government could have done something so stupid and disastrous. But given the recent behavior of our government leaders, I think that’s a pretty weak straw to clutch.

    I think that one reason that 100% of the MSM discussion focuses on (A) and 0.00% on (B) is that the evidence for (B) is so enormously strong that if MSM even broached the possibility, almost everyone would see that was obviously what probably happened.

  370. [Note that this is not a thread focusing on origins of the Wuhan Covid outbreak, and such comments are much less likely to be published.]

    Occam’s Razor has provided the simplest explanation that explains all the reported, or at least the reliably reported, events: WIV was, in fact working with bat viruses, including SARS and doing gain of function research. It was, in fact funded by EcoHealth Alliance with USG funds. (It’s kind of hard to conceal academic research done around the world and widely published.)

    [MORE]

    This has been my leading contender since I first found out about the North Carolina GOF research being transferred to Wuhan. I simply can’t understand why this type of research is even allowed. The arguments for it are weak and incredibly stretched. So, in a sense, both the US and Chinese governments are responsible since this research was being done with the knowledge and funding of both.

    When somebody is framed, it is made to look like the most obvious answer. This has a tinge of the most obvious answer being too convenient. Not the circumstances themselves, but the very strange behavior of media reporting.

    Some of the alleged parties in these matters are masters of deception. It is their profession.

    The active squashing of dissenting opinion, even against doctors, is the most damning thing I’ve ever seen in my life. If you understand Science properly you know that it never says it has the correct answer, only the best answer so far supported by experiment. Yet, the policy makers are acting as if the latest scientific opinion is The Truth carved in stone and feel justified in crafting draconian policy that would make the dictators of yore blush. Thus, any voices speaking out against the official narrative are ostracized. WTF? This is the very definition of unscientific.

    It is the iron fisted control of the narrative that should be the greatest concern to everyone who fears a totalitarian government.

    Rogue elements of government have repeatedly demonstrated the worst possible deluded “the ends justify the means” thinking ever demonstrated by mankind, so hypothesizing that some black ops group may have planted the virus is not unreasonable at all.

    I don’t know enough about the Chinese government to figure out the motivation for their behavior. I don’t have a problem with them being mistrustful of a US based inquiry. There is so much about this pandemic that was not handled by long standing standard procedures that thorough investigation is surely called for.

    Something stinks really bad and I think everybody will find out eventually in a verifiable manner. One just has to be generous in the definition of eventually, so no rash actions should be taken. Particularly irreversible ones. Wars and executions come to mind as examples.

    Some forget that the tabloids had some of the most damning reporting on the Bush and Clinton administrations, pre-widespread internet, and were also prime targets in the Anthrax attacks.

    Lyme Disease is another underreported possible biowarfare escape.

  371. SBaker says:

    Wow, a very long article indeed. I would be willing to bet not many people have taught courses on bio-warfare and worked with several of the former offensive program officer scientists that once worked at Ft Detrick. This program was ended in the early 70s according the directive of Richard Nixon. This directive did not cover the Chicoms that instigated the current ongoing pandemic and economic devastation.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  372. izzy says:
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Though I can’t recall the reference right now, it has been suggested. The account started with some sort of very early bio-weapons project sponsored by the Rockefeller Foundation, which intentionally infected Army personnel who were then sent to Europe during the war to spread it around.

    As an interesting aside, in 2008 a NIH paper titled “Predominant role of bacterial pneumonia as a cause of death in pandemic influenza: implications for pandemic influenza preparedness”, co-authored by none other than Anthony Fauci, found that it was actually bacterial pneumonia that caused most of the 1918 Spanish Flu deaths, not the flu itself, Spanish or otherwise. One of the known problems with prolonged mask-wearing is the tendency of such pathogens to build up and generate disease. And that was also a prominent practice during the 1918 scourge as well.

    And just this past spring, the Salk Institute put out a study determining that with Covid, the virus itself is doing little damage, it’s the action of the gain-of-function spike protein causing the problems. The very thing these mRNA inoculations are instructing the body to start producing internally.

    It’s just crazy. And diabolical.

  373. @SBaker

    An alpha liar, racist and Yankee Doodle hypocrite. The US no more ‘ended’ its bio-warfare programs than I was elected Pope.

  374. mike99588 says:

    A different context for China’s version of the Covid – USA story.
    Another “great leap forward”, perhaps war and threats thereof.

    • Troll: d dan
  375. Schuetze says:
    @Schuetze

    Here is more evidence of Typhus being used as biological warfare against Germany in 1943-1946:

    [MORE]


    German corpses at Buchenwald passed off as Jews

    I have read multiple times about how the corpses of dead “Disarmed Enemy Combatants” (who were German POW’s stripped of their legal Geneva Convention rights by an Eisenhower decree) had been transported to the Labor Camps where they were used a props for the “Holocaust” narrative. Recently I found some supporting evidence where I ran across this sentence from the testimony of a German soldier:

    “They agreed that the cattle cars were filled with captured German soldiers who were infected with typhus and dysentery.”

    The article goes on to describe how Alfred Hitchock produced an entire fake “documentary” about the “holocaust victims”. At the bottom of the article there is a link to a Youtube video that I can’t view because I don’t have a Youtube account and it is “age limited”. Of course all the most famous Hollywood directors were shipped into Germany to “document” the “Holocaust”, Frank Capra being one of the most infamous.

    The point here is that in this article the auther describes railroad cars parked off of a shunted track with starving POW’s who “were infected” with “typhus and dysentery”. I submit that this was a deliberate biowarfare war crime instigated, after the wars end, to push the holocaust narrative.

    [MORE]

    Dead Germans from Rhine-Meadows death camp brought to Buchenwald

    “The following is an excerpt from the corroborated eye witness testimony of a captured German soldier:

    In 1977, during a visit to New York and Cape May, I recounted the story of the trainload of dying German prisoners to two former US officers. They had both been stationed in Heidelberg shortly after the war and they knew all about it. They agreed that the cattle cars were filled with captured German soldiers who were infected with typhus and dysentery.

    …On a sunny day in mid-June 1945, I hopped on a freight train and went to Erfurt. The train stopped about a kilometer and a half before the station, so I shouldered my rucksack and began walking toward the station. I soon noticed a freight train of about 20 cattle cars sitting on a side track. A bad odor was coming from that direction. As I came closer I saw hands protruding from ventilation holes and heard sounds of moaning, so I crossed several tracks and approached the cattle cars. The people inside noticed me and began crying “Water, comrade, water!” Then I reached the train and recognized the terrible stench of feces and rotting corpses. The sliding doors and ventilation holes were crisscrossed with barbed wire securely nailed. Urine and partially dried feces oozed from under the sliding doors and between the boards.

    …They were in fact unwitting extras in a movie being made by Alfred Hitchcock, the Hollywood horror-film specialist. He had been awarded a contract to make a movie about concentration camps for the Nuremberg tribunal.

    At night the dead prisoners would be unloaded at Buchenwald, Dachau and other concentration camps by those who were still alive. Hitchcock would then film them, depicting the heaps of corpses as victims of German atrocities. A large number of corpses were dumped at Buchenwald at night, and next day the citizens of Weimar were forced to walk past the heaps of rotting corpses and smell the sickening stench.

    Some of them actually believed the American propaganda, that the corpses had been concentration-camp inmates. It was all filmed as part of Hitchcock’s movie. Afterwards the corpses were shoved into mass graves in the vicinity. That too was part of the script. This is the explanation that the two former officers of the US Army gave me concerning the trainload of dying German prisoners that I witnessed on June 16, 1945.

    I certify that my testimony is a true account of what I myself have personally seen and experienced.

    [Note: Alfred Hitchcock was persuaded by his friend and movie producer the British Jew, Sidney Bernstein, to leave Hollywood to assist on project “F3080.” F3080 was the name British Intelligence gave to a project to compile a documentary film on German atrocities.

    The project originated in February 1945 in the Psychological Warfare Division of SHAEF (Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force). Hitchcock was recorded expressing his primary concern that “we should try to prevent people thinking that any of this was faked.”]”

    https://ww2truth.com/2021/05/29/piles-of-corpses-at-dachau-buchenwald-were-dead-german-soldiers-staged-for-propaganda-by-jews-in-us-military/

  376. Ron,
    Here’s an analogy for you- ever seen the opening of ” the Simpsons?” Do you know when Homer throws the Nuclear rod out of his car and Bart picks it it up with his skateboard? Well, where do you think the the skateboard radioactive material comes from? A meteor? Perhaps, But the obvious answer? The nuclear plant.

    You know Ron-, I had a friend working in the white house who saw what a cluster fuck it was. In fact, he had the same scholarship you did 7 8 years after to Cambridge.

    He saw the the the writing on the wall and was confirmed as an ambassador to a major Euro nation renowned for its social life a few weeks before shit hit the fan.

    You csn trust me me or not, I don’t care.I saw the compartlentalized intel report– it came from CHINA.

  377. @Ron Unz

    I think that one reason that 100% of the MSM discussion focuses on (A) and 0.00% on (B) is that the evidence for (B) is so enormously strong that if MSM even broached the possibility, almost everyone would see that was obviously what probably happened.

    It’s almost like 100% of the MSM is 100% controlled by U.S. intelligence services.

    • Agree: JLK
  378. Ron Unz says:
    @Ginko

    Me thinks this might basically confirm your suspicions…..

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ccp-dissident-claims-china-released-covid-military-world-games-october-2019

    What a diabolically clever plot by the ChiComs! They deliberately released a dangerous, extremely contagious virus in one of their own largest cities and a key transit hub shortly before the Lunar New Year holiday travels.

    They must be taking lessons of Fu Manchu…

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  379. Excellent investigative journalism, I wasn’t aware of so many bio weapon attacks on humanity, only suspicious that we are never told the truth and must always seek it out.

  380. @Ron Unz

    Sorry for the late reply again, I didn’t thin kyou would reply to such a late comment but I will be more attentive when I @ you.

    First I shall admit I haven’t read your earlier essays on Covid as biowarfare except for maybe one early article and this I will do after I read your new essay on Isreali attack on the USS Liberty.

    But I also must say that you are not doing the most generous reading of my text. My main argument is not that I am sceptical of Sars-Cov-2 as biowarfare because I cannot fathom how this rogue faction could be so incompetent, but rather that there is a fundamental assymetry between the incompetence leading to things like the swift collapse of the earlier Afghan government and the bungled US withdrawal and the supposed incompetence leading to a biowarfare attack attack on China spreading to the US.

    That assymetry is that in the first case – Afghanistan – everybody responsible for that debacle has always acted in tune with mainstream opinion on the war in Afghanistan, nationa building, forreign policy and so on and this can readily explain the disastrous outcome of that neocon adventure.
    But in the case of Sars-Cov-2 being biowarfare blowback – everybody involved in this rogue faction would have to have been acting completely against mainstream opinion and mainstream wisdom on how to do a biowarfare attack.

    Not many people with any sway at all in the IC and who thus have the possibility to get such an operation under way – in other words the introduction of Sars-Cov-2 in China – in the US security state institutions would hold many non-mainstream opinions (And here not only non-mainstream opinions, but anti-mainstream opinions would have to be necessary to explain this conduct), since holding non-mainstream opinions disqualifies one from career advancement in the IC.

    That is why I am sceptical of COVID as biowarfare blowback, but I’ll give a new assement after reading all your esays on the issue. It might take a few days since I am somewhat busy right now.

    As always, thank you for continuing writing American Pravda. It’s definitely among the top ten most fascinating, thought-ptocoking and important collection of texts published in the 21st century.

  381. SBaker says:
    @geokat62

    No one knows for certain, but the notes suggest the muslims were the culprits, and, based on the proximity in time to the airliners they used to murder a couple of thousand unarmed men, women and children, it might just be the muslims were also responsible for the anthrax spore release. Anthrax spores are easy to obtain, since it is a disease endemic to the US and a 100 other countries, but, the weaponization of said spores is technically far more difficult. The former USSR had a massive program dwarfing the dozen or so other countries also in the game.

  382. @Walter

    Mr. Kaye has also connected-the-dots from biowar to torture. All the confessions by the US pilots had to be explained away, and so the “they were tortured” theme was adopted. The CIA got another huge pile of money to research Torture so our heroic servicemen could resist it. Naturally the US of A is one of the most efficient torturers on the planet these days.

    Germ Weapons Were Ready (March, 1946 Popular Science)

    tinyurl.com/yckt7473

    The US had a WW2 germ war program, and when the chance to get the tested Japanese version came, the powers-that-be grabbed it. Some of the war’s worst criminals were allowed to ‘live long and prosper”.

    Mr. Kaye suspects that the temptation to try out the new toys was irresistible, and that’s why the bioweapons got used in China and Korea.

    Mr. Unz spoke of efforts to get “mind control” weapons, and I suspect that’s a work in progress. Nature can do it, and given enough time and money, humans will do it too.

    https://cuyleryu.medium.com/the-mind-controlling-fungus-28c2784b40b1

    A couple of days ago Naked Capitalism had a link to this science story:
    An immune system molecule makes you more social. Wait, what?
    https://uvamagazine.org/articles/an_immune_system_molecule_makes_you_more_social

    Our very own immune system can act to spread the disease it is fighting! Yes, I think the spooks will someday have their Mind Control agents – assuming they don’t already.

    There is no good reason for the US to have biolabs scattered around the world. Probably their only option now is to scream Russian Disinformation with ever-increasing volume.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  383. I read the article earlier and though I would think about it.

    So what and so what and so what . . .

    The US operated a biolab on the Ukraine alongside Ukrainian researchers —- tadaa!

    And the sauce for the goose doesn’t make much sense. The Ukraine is nothing the center or evem remoted connected to the flu, the measles or COVID

  384. @Zachary Smith

    Mr Kaye suspects that the temptation to try out the new toys was irresistible, a.nd that’s why the bioweapons got used in China and Korea.

    Thank you for including that. It may help some of the Holocaust deniers on UR use their imaginations to see that some of the needs, or even the bureeaucrats, dealing with Jews en masse in WW2, MIGHT, given what we observe of human nature, have thought the bright idea of gassing undesirables should be tried.

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  385. @Ron Unz

    Or they could have some rogue bunglers to equal the idiocy of your rogue elements in the Deep State led or influenced by Pompeo or Bolton😎

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  386. @Wizard of Oz

    Sorry about typo. “Nerds” of course.

  387. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Or they could have some rogue bunglers to equal the idiocy of your rogue elements in the Deep State led or influenced by Pompeo or Bolton

    As usual, you seem confused…

    Suppose Pompeo or Bolton release a dangerous virus in China, assuming it will devastate that country but mistakenly believing it won’t substantially spread back to America. That’s obvious bungling.

    But the scenario you’re discussing is different. The analogy would be that Pompeo or Bolton release a dangerous virus in New York City right before Christmas, with their actual goal being to infect China.

    Such an plan could be described with many adjectives, but “bungling” isn’t one of them…

  388. @Ron Unz

    Obviously I wasn’t being serious but with your usual lack of imagination you accuse me of an illogical argument. No, I am supposing that the Chinese Pompeo or Bolton intended to infect some American military athletes as they left to fly home, or maybe after they got home with a little present for the spouse to unwrap. I may give you an example of bad logic as a hoax or tease one day.

  389. Anon[159] • Disclaimer says:

    Boo!

  390. Regarding the Needham Korean War report solicited by China:

    An especially important element were the public confessions of numerous captured American pilots who admitted that they had taken part in such illegal germ warfare attacks.

    Instead of “important” maybe “prominent” would be a more descriptive adjective.  Public confessions of POWs in China or Korea mean absolutely nothing.  On the other hand they are not automatically false either.  The public denials of the former POWs when back in the U.S. are not worth much either, for the same reason.

    From the article “The long-suppressed Korean War report on U.S. use of biological weapons released at last”:

    … captured U.S. flyers told their North Korean and Chinese captors about the use of such weapons. Later, after the prisoners were returned to U.S. custody, counterintelligence experts and psychiatrists interrogated them. They were told under the threat of court martial to renounce their confessions about germ warfare. They all did so.

    The author does not say how he knows this. According to the Nedham Korean War report, four captured airmen testified before the commission. This was while they were still POWs in China, so their testimony is necessarily suspect.

    One annoying thing about the Needham report is its sucking up to Chinese academics, who would not hold the positions they have were they not beholden to the Chinese government.

    Anyway, the airmen testimony is only one part of the evidence for a biowarfare attack.

  391. @Ron Unz

    Now get real Ron. Here’s te chance for you to cancel all the cancels and go from eccentric outsider to national and international hero in one leap.

    Have a look at this which came up in my Inbox from a source I rarely find time for.

    https://theconversation.com/3-ways-russia-has-shown-military-incompetence-during-its-invasion-of-ukraine-178895

    Given that the biggest problem faced by the West in undoing 30 years of arrogant ignorance and incompetence e in dealing with Russia is the extent to which anti Western pro Putin attitudes have been embedded in the Russian population by education and TV it is vital that undeniably credible media products be got into Russian heads.

    It is beyond my comprehension that the methods I have proposed to break through haven’t been tried. You would have been quick to point to my obvious foolishness if I was missing something critical and obvious.

    My earlier ideas progressed from distributing from eastward floating balloons millions of pamphlets to distributing millions of mass produced electronic memory devices for easy plug ins to view films, interviews etc. Now I see no reason to confine distribution to balloons. All sorts of drones and casual drops by individuals into cattle trucks and milk distributors – mainly to drive the authorities frantic and to do stupid counter-productive things – is the way to go.

    Add now tens of thousands of \$5 Rasberry Pi computers that I am sorry to say I have only just heard of and you give hope to every dissident.

    The man who can organise that team you ad to run for the Harvard Board of Overseers can do it and has no excuse not to try. Instead of swatting g foolish trivia make this your finest hour. OK tell me about the battle that may ensue when success has pushed rattled Putin forces into trying to persuade the mass Russian mind that quite evidently genuine film is fake. You’ve won if they just go back to classicallycynical Soviet era attitudes.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  392. Ron Unz says:

    pro Putin attitudes have been embedded in the Russian population by education and TV it is vital that undeniably credible media products be got into Russian heads…My earlier ideas progressed from distributing from eastward floating balloons millions of pamphlets to distributing millions of mass produced electronic memory devices for easy plug ins to view films, interviews etc.

    You seem to be working very, very hard to convince me that you’re just as absolutely brainless as everyone else here believes you to be.

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  393. Dear Ron

    I do not know if you moderate comments on your own articles or leave it up to professional moderators, if it is professional moderators I would appreciate it if you would pass this comment on to Ron even if you do not publish it. Feel free to edit out this introduction anyway, but please do know how much I appreciate this website even if I do sometimes have to put up with a bunch of anti-Semites when reading it. Still no worse than the Young Republicans in Wyomissing PA in the 1980s.

    I think that you are almost certainly right about COVID being a biological weapon, but I am not sure you are right about the reason. The US has had biological weapons programs since it took over the Japanese bio weapons program along with the Gestapo intelligence services at the end of WWII. They have had a long time to develop the program and it was used in the Anthrax attacks against the US government (only against those unimportant bits of government such as the democratic institutions). So the bio weapon part makes perfect sense. It is the rogue elements of the Deep State (as opposed to its entirety) part that does not.

    Washington, that shining city, is in reality Nucky Thomson’s Boardwalk Empire on a global scale, with its constant percentages for the big guy (or girl). For some reason Washington is miffed with Russia and it has been subject to demonization (which from my memory of all of those bad Hollywood movies where Russian gangsters were the enemies goes back as far as the fall of the Soviet Union). Perhaps DC did not get their full percentage, perhaps Bill Browder and others made the right contributions, perhaps the war on terror was no excuse for the renewal of major weapon systems. So, for whatever reason, the bear needed to be poked.

    I think we need to combine COVID with Ukraine and a long term plan for the mother of all regime changes/color revolutions.

    How about COVID as a trial run for targeted bio weapons (Iran) and/or blowback control (Moderna/Pfizer/Omicron) and/or an experiment in social control (how many will resist, how many will double mask, how many will put their child in the trunk to get to a testing station, how many will cheer actual Nazis in the Ukraine) with the added advantage of getting rid of an outsider (Trump) who might not go along with the cunning regime change plan and anyway did not belong in the club (his mother was a Gaelic speaking crofter’s daughter, in other words a peasant).

    Russia who seem to be reading all of the cunning US plans, messed up the plan by acting first in a way they had not foreseen (was Anna Chapman just the tip of the iceberg? How about Vicky Nuland as a Russian illegal? Her phone call was leaked – maybe she did it herself! – she leaked the info on our top secret – only in the MSM – bio weapons program – I don’t think she is – Marco Rubio screwed up the question and she was exhausted and under oath – Rubio was only supposed to ask about chemical weapons not chemical and bio weapons).

    Think about it, that is if we are all not here next month as our lords and masters, that shoal of fish of nonentities in Washington (watch them all move together from one incompatible position to another), are for the moment continuing with their mad regime change plans with the risk of accidentally starting WWIII. Such a pity we humans always exhibit the same failings.

    Please also consider posting on your website (if he agrees) this show/article from Ezra Levant “Why is Canada supporting a Nazi battalion in Ukraine?”
    https://www.rebelnews.com/ezra_levant_show_march_10_2022
    It is a good read.

  394. anon[426] • Disclaimer says:

    The fundamental reason why Russia had to go into Ukraine: CIA crimes are state secrets. The judiciary up through the Supreme Court has been corrupted to obstruct universal jurisdiction law. The supreme court is in breach of CAT Article 1. They’ll do it for CIA BWATA felons too.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/supreme-court-says-torture-cia-black-site-state-secret/5774189

    So with jus cogens balked in the US apex court, Russia has to enforce the law at gunpoint. And maybe try some more scumbag judges at Nuremberg. Dibs on the hangman job for that pedo Roberts!

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  395. @Wizard of Oz

    What is an ‘undeniably credible..’ MSM source in the West? Your beloved Murdoch sewer? The BBC? Radio Free Europe? It is to laugh. Back in your comic mode I see.

  396. @Ron Unz

    So what do you think would be the tendency of shifts in belief if you could get 500,000 conservative conventionally minded Russians to watch and enjoy some exciting well produced well acted films that had several dozen details in them which would be inconsistent with their government’s propaganda and a lot of plausible lines in favour of disbelief designed to return many people at least to Soviet levels of cynicism. Imagination would be required as well as technical knowledge. One could have plots where the means adopted by the baddies to inculcate false ideas would induce most people with room temperature IQs to get and accept the point. Mind you I hear from my Ukrainian based friends how even elderly Ukrainians can get upset at trenchant criticisms of the Soviet Union. I don’t suggest that there would be easy answers. But what would be the harm of trying especially if some people were made curious to see these wicked electronic communications that State TV anathematised so trenchantly.

    You seem to be working very, very hard to convince me that you’re just as absolutely brainless as everyone – the 99.99% – who wouldn’t be seen dead on UR believes you to be.

  397. @mulga mumblebrain

    Very difficult. Fortunately it doesn’t have to be right first time. But, given Ron’s enthusiastic scorning of the mass of ma kind for being duped and miseducated by the MSM and school history books I would have thought he might see merit in aiming to reprogram some of the lumpen ignoramuses who give approval ratings for their leaders swinging in almost no time from 20% to 80%.

  398. @anon

    Thanks for the link. I’m not sure that I agree with anything else you have said but I am very disappointed in Breyer J’s judgment! I find it difficult to reconcile with his civilised values.

  399. @mulga mumblebrain

    Addendum. I am sure I have a deficiency in understanding the rock solid certainties of even intelligent people who couldn’t rationally be so certain. (Just you remember… if you are at a legal conference of Paustan’s leading lawyers you be careful about what you say about Allahe the Meriful or you may find a Chief Justice wanting you flogged and castrated).

    Believe it or not I count as friends Cardinal and a senior Rabbi who both insist on there veing an Abraham’s deity.

    So…. my point is that, though the task of persuading dumb Russians that killing fellow Christians in Ukraine is not OK is not a simple matter of logic, we would have something else going for us. That is the lack of sophistication of the old Russian TV viewer. Given that they tend to bite what they see in MSM format one should be able to get through their defences without too much trouble.

  400. @Gerard

    Or a Chinese princeling turned speculator and hedge fund operator? Or….

  401. Mark Hunter says: • Website

    This is a minor point but some readers have commented on it.

    There also seems reasonable evidence that far more permanent mistakes sometimes occurred. Lyme disease … was first diagnosed in 1975, a suspiciously recent date for the sudden appearance of an entirely natural disease, and based upon Lab 257, a heavily-researched 2005 book by Michael Carroll, Baker argues it was probably an inadvertent consequence of our biowarfare experiments.

    Maybe so. I haven’t read Carroll’s book but the following is from the book Bull’s Eye by Jonathan Edlow, M.D. published two years before. From pages 148-149:

    [Dr, David Persing] and his colleagues used PCR [a genetic test] on 102 dried-out or alcohol-preserved tick specimens from the Museum of Comparative Zoology in Cambridge, Massachusetts. The ticks had been collected from various areas in New England between 1945 and 1951 … The researchers also examined another batch of ticks from the Smithsonian collection in Washington, D.C., some dating back as far as 1924. They found ticks that were positive for … B. burgdorferi from Montauk Point and from the adjacent Heather Hills State Park from the mid 1940s.

    Several years later, the same group with additional colleagues reported the results of similar experiments done on tiny biopsy specimens taken from the ears of archived mice from the same museum. They found two specimens that tested positive by PCR analysis for B. burgdorferi from mice originally captured near Dennis, Massachusetts (on Cape Cod), in 1894! [These specimens were genetically] identical to the B31 strain that Willy Burgdorfer had found on Shelter Island.

    European investigators have reproduced these experiments using archived ticks from various parts of Europe including England and have found borrelial [ticks] dating back to the late 1880s as well.

    Edlow goes on to ask why it took so long for Lyme disease to be recognized medically. His answer, in the next chapter, is that it was because of reforestation and the resulting increase in the population of deer and white-footed mice.

  402. A punter says:
    @geokat62

    Is it not the metal grill of a full helmet? In medieval iconography one of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse was depicted with a closed helm, I think. Adds mystery to the menace. – in today’s marketing parlance, brand maximisation.

  403. “A real flood of bacteria and germs” — Communications Intelligence and Charges of U.S. Germ Warfare during the Korean War

    https://jeff-kaye.medium.com/a-real-flood-of-bacteria-and-germs-communications-intelligence-and-charges-of-u-s-4decafdc762

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