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Opioids as the White Death

All of us necessarily focus on different areas, and until quite recently I’d never paid much attention to public health issues, naively assuming that these were in the hands of reasonably competent and reasonably honest government servants, monitored by journalists and academics of similar reliability.

For many of us, myself included, an important crack in that assumption came in 2015, when the pages of the New York Times and our other major newspapers were filled with reports of a shocking new study by Anne Case and Angus Deaton, a married pair of eminent economists, with Deaton’s career having been crowned a few weeks earlier by winning the Nobel Prize in his discipline.

Their remarkable finding was that during the previous 15 years, the health and survival rates of middle-aged white Americans had undergone a precipitous decline, completely breaking with the pattern of non-white American groups or with whites living in other developed nations. Moreover, this sharp fall in physical well-being represented a radical departure from the trends of the previous half-century, being almost unprecedented in modern Western history.

Although their short paper filled merely a half-dozen pages in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, it was quickly endorsed by a host of prominent public health experts and other scholars, who emphasized the dramatic nature of the discovery. A couple of Dartmouth professors told the Times “It is difficult to find modern settings with survival losses of this magnitude,” while an expert in mortality trends exclaimed “Wow.” Their striking results were illustrated by numerous simple graphs based upon easily obtained government statistics.

The two authors were both economists, whose normal work was distant from public health issues, and according to their account, they had stumbled into these remarkable results quite accidentally, while exploring a different topic. So the natural question that came to my mind was how such a momentous calamity affecting a large fraction of the American population could have been entirely ignored for so long by all the academics and researchers actually working in public health. Perhaps a short trend of three or four years might have escaped notice, but missing fifteen years of such a deadly national decline?

Moreover, the source of this drastic reversal in long-term mortality trends was narrowly confined to a few particular categories. For white Americans aged 45-54, deaths due to drug overdoses and other poisonings had soared almost 10-fold during the period in question, easily overtaking lung cancer to become the leading cause of death.

Mortality by cause, white non-Hispanics ages 45-54 (PNAS)
Mortality by cause, white non-Hispanics ages 45-54 (PNAS)

Together with the steep rise in suicides and chronic alcoholism, drug deaths accounted for the great change in life-expectancy. This situation was particularly acute for the working-class, with the death rates soaring a remarkable 22% for white Americans who lacked a college-education.

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Case and Deaton grouped together drug overdoses, suicides, and chronic alcoholism as “deaths of despair,” and in 2020 they expanded their ground-breaking study into a book of that title, which was widely discussed and praised. Their subtitle emphasized “the Future of Capitalism” and they argued that the central cause of America’s deadly predicament was the opioid prescription drug epidemic, produced by the FDA’s 1996 approval of addictive OxyContin and its subsequent massive marketing by Purdue Pharmaceutical. Under the pressure of manipulative corporate lobbying, our government had “essentially legalized heroin,” with the consequences being exactly as might be expected. By 2015, 98 million Americans—more than one-third of all adults—had been prescribed opioids and the level of drug overdoses and other deaths of despair reached 158,000 per year by 2017.

Unlike other pharmaceutical giants, Purdue was privately owned by the Sackler family, who were the central villains in this story. The Sacklers earned more than \$12 billion in profits from these drug sales and reached the pinnacle of American wealth even as millions of lives were destroyed, with sales of their OxyContin drug alone totaling as much as \$50 billion. The authors drew a close analogy with the key figures in the 19th century British East India company, who earned their huge fortunes by organizing the opium trade into China, despite the devastating social consequences for that country.

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The same year that Case and Deaton published their seminal PNAS article, former Los Angeles Times reporter Sam Quinones released Dreamland, his deeply-reported account of the human side of our national opioid tragedy, which was widely praised and won the National Book Circle Award.

The most striking declines in life-expectancy had been among the working-class, but Quinones emphasized that unlike most previous drug epidemics, this one was not only entirely concentrated in America’s white population, but even heavily afflicted the middle and upper-middle class whites of small towns and suburbia, among whom such hard drug use had previously been very rare.

These powerful opioids were massively marketed as legitimate pain medication, prescribed by doctors and obtained from pharmacies in bottles. This entirely respectable distribution channel overcame the previous social stigma, but once the victims had become addicted, large numbers began injecting the drugs and eventually turned to similar but far cheaper illegal heroin. So a star high school football player from a successful family would be given OxyContin to alleviate a minor injury, and within a couple of years he might have become a heroin junkie, dying of a drug overdose in his own bedroom. An unprecedented wave of such grisly heroin deaths suddenly flooded affluent white communities, which had never previously experienced such events.

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Beth Macy’s national bestseller Dopesick appeared in 2018 and covered some of the same ground, focused primarily upon the opioid and other drug addictions in Appalachia and nearby portions of Virginia. Her account seemed fully consistent with that of Quinones and was filled with numerous moving personal stories. However, since it was so overwhelmingly descriptive and anecdotal rather than analytical, I generally found it less useful.

Case and Deaton are among the most respectable of mainstream academics, but the historical narrative that they and their journalistic counterparts provide is a horrifying one, with millions of American families destroyed by the deliberate corporate policies that elevated the Sacklers into becoming one of the world’s wealthiest families, surpassing the Rockefellers and the Mellons. But in an unusual twist, a considerable slice of their victims were from affluent, well-educated backgrounds and thus could effectively articulate their rage over what had been done to their communities.

One such individual writes under the pen-name Giles Corey. Coming from a supportive, wealthy family in a small white Southern town, he says he began using heroin in high school and eventually spent years suffering from severe drug addiction. Having lost many of his friends to overdoses and suicides, he was intensely hostile to the Sacklers, and in 2020 he drew upon all these fully mainstream books as well as Gerald Posner’s encyclopedic Pharma: Greed, Lies, and the Poisoning of America to produce a blistering 20,000 word portrayal of their business and political history, which we republished. Although obviously skewed by his extreme ideological views, he mined the 1,900 pages of those underlying sources to produce a gripping history of what he calls “the white plague” that can be read within a couple of hours.

  • The White Plague
    Giles Corey • The Unz Review • July 25, 2020 • 19,400 Words

The Forgotten Vioxx Disaster

In 2015 I was greatly surprised to discover that these striking American mortality trends had been ignored for so many years by our media and research establishments, but perhaps I should not have been. The cause of this epidemic of death was the widespread use of dangerous but highly lucrative opioid prescription drugs, and just a few years earlier I had published an article about the similarly ignored public health consequences of Vioxx, another very profitable but harmful prescription drug. As I told the story in 2012:

In September 2004, Merck, one of America’s largest pharmaceutical companies, suddenly announced that it was voluntarily recalling Vioxx, its popular anti-pain medication widely used to treat arthritis-related ailments. This abrupt recall came just days after Merck discovered that a top medical journal was about to publish a massive study by an FDA investigator indicating that the drug in question greatly increased the risk of fatal heart attacks and strokes and had probably been responsible for at least 55,000 American deaths during the five years it had been on the market.

Within weeks of the recall, journalists discovered that Merck had found strong evidence of the potentially fatal side-effects of this drug even before its initial 1999 introduction, but had ignored these worrisome indicators and avoided additional testing, while suppressing the concerns of its own scientists. Boosted by a television advertising budget averaging a hundred million dollars per year, Vioxx soon became one of Merck’s most lucrative products, generating over \$2 billion in yearly revenue. Merck had also secretly ghostwritten dozens of the published research studies emphasizing the beneficial aspects of the drug and encouraging doctors to widely prescribe it, thus transforming science into marketing support. Twenty-five million Americans were eventually prescribed Vioxx as an aspirin-substitute thought to produce fewer complications.

Although the Vioxx scandal certainly did generate several days of newspaper headlines and intermittently returned to the front pages as the resulting lawsuits gradually moved through our judicial system, the coverage still seemed scanty relative to the number of estimated fatalities, which matched America’s total losses in the Vietnam War. In fact, the media coverage often seemed considerably less than that later accorded to the Chinese infant food scandal, which had caused just a handful of deaths on the other side of the world.

The circumstances of this case were exceptionally egregious, with many tens of thousands of American deaths due to the sale of a highly lucrative but sometimes fatal drug, whose harmful effects had long been known to its manufacturer. But there is no sign that criminal charges were ever considered.

A massive class-action lawsuit dragged its way through the courts for years, eventually being settled for \$4.85 billion in 2007, with almost half the money going to the trial lawyers. Merck shareholders also paid large sums to settle various other lawsuits and government penalties and cover the heavy legal costs of fighting all of these cases. But the loss of continuing Vioxx sales represented the greatest financial penalty of all, which provides a disturbing insight into the cost-benefit calculations behind the company’s original cover-up.

This story of serious corporate malfeasance largely forgiven and forgotten by government and media is depressing enough, but it leaves out a crucial factual detail that seems to have almost totally escaped public notice. The year after Vioxx had been pulled from the market, the New York Times and other major media outlets published a minor news item, generally buried near the bottom of their back pages, which noted that American death rates had suddenly undergone a striking and completely unexpected decline.

The headline of the short article that ran in the April 19, 2005 edition of USA Today was typical: “USA Records Largest Drop in Annual Deaths in at Least 60 Years.” During that one year, American deaths had fallen by 50,000 despite the growth in both the size and the age of the nation’s population. Government health experts were quoted as being greatly “surprised” and “scratching [their] heads” over this strange anomaly, which was led by a sharp drop in fatal heart attacks.

On April 24, 2005, the New York Times ran another of its long stories about the continuing Vioxx controversy, disclosing that Merck officials had knowingly concealed evidence that their drug greatly increased the risk of heart-related fatalities. But the Times journalist made no mention of the seemingly inexplicable drop in national mortality rates that had occurred once the drug was taken off the market, although the news had been reported in his own paper just a few days earlier.

A cursory examination of the most recent 15 years worth of national mortality data provided on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention website offers some intriguing clues to this mystery. We find the largest rise in American mortality rates occurred in 1999, the year Vioxx was introduced, while the largest drop occurred in 2004, the year it was withdrawn. Vioxx was almost entirely marketed to the elderly, and these substantial changes in national death-rate were completely concentrated within the 65-plus population. The FDA studies had proven that use of Vioxx led to deaths from cardiovascular diseases such as heart attacks and strokes, and these were exactly the factors driving the changes in national mortality rates.

The impact of these shifts was not small. After a decade of remaining roughly constant, the overall American death rate began a substantial decline in 2004, soon falling by approximately 5 percent, despite the continued aging of the population. This drop corresponds to roughly 100,000 fewer deaths per year. The age-adjusted decline in death rates was considerably greater.

AIDS and the Duesberg Hypothesis

I published my Vioxx analysis almost a decade ago, and although it generated some discussion at the time and even provoked a bit of secondary coverage in the mainstream media, the matter was soon once again forgotten. Vioxx had already been withdrawn years earlier, and whether its past use had resulted in tens of thousands or instead hundreds of thousands of premature American deaths among the elderly was merely water under the bridge, of little interest to most journalists.

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Over the years, I occasionally referred to my findings in subsequent articles, but hardly paid much attention to the related issues of prescription drugs or public health, even after the current Covid epidemic brought those topics back to center-stage.

However, in November I happened to read Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.’s new book on exactly these issues, and was very impressed with the enormous amount of important material he provided, most of it entirely unfamiliar to me. As a result, I wrote a long and strongly favorable review which was widely read and even linked on the author’s own website.

Kennedy’s central theme was the total corruption of the American public health system at the hands of profit-hungry corporations, which had effectively subverted the regulatory process to ensure that lucrative drugs—sometimes even dangerous ones—were mass-marketed to our unprotected citizenry like any other consumer product. The forgotten Vioxx Scandal seemed a perfect example of this, so I included a brief mention of my 2012 findings in the review, and was quite gratified a couple of weeks later when Kennedy resurrected the Vioxx story during his lengthy interview with Jimmy Dore.

Although I found much of Kennedy’s criticism of the pharmaceutical industry reasonably persuasive, under normal circumstances his book would not have drawn me into public health issues, given my lack of familiarity with the topic. But what completely shocked me was that nearly half his text—some 200 pages—was devoted to presenting and promoting the astonishing claim that everything we have been told about HIV/AIDS for more than 35 years probably constituted a hoax. This issue became the heart of my review, especially because it had previously received almost no attention from his readers.

Yet according to the information provided in Kennedy’s #1 Amazon bestseller, this well-known and solidly-established picture, which I had never seriously questioned, is almost entirely false and fraudulent, essentially amounting to a medical media hoax. Instead of being responsible for AIDS, the HIV virus is probably harmless and had nothing to do with the disease. But when individuals were found to be infected with HIV, they were subjected to the early, extremely lucrative AIDS drugs, which were actually lethal and often killed them. The earliest AIDS cases had mostly been caused by very heavy use of particular illegal drugs, and the HIV virus had been misdiagnosed as being responsible. But since Fauci and the profit-hungry drug companies soon built enormous empires upon that misdiagnosis, for more than 35 years they have fought very hard to maintain and protect it, exerting all their influence to suppress the truth in the media while destroying the careers of any honest researchers who challenged that fraud. Meanwhile, AIDS in Africa was something entirely different, probably caused mostly by malnutrition or other local conditions.

I found Kennedy’s account as shocking as anything I have ever encountered.

I was deeply impressed by the scientific credibility of some of the individuals supporting Kennedy’s seemingly outlandish claims.

However, the first endorsement on the back cover is from Prof. Luc Montagnier, the medical researcher who won a Nobel Prize for discovering the HIV virus in 1984, and he writes: “Tragically for humanity, there are many, many untruths emanating from Fauci and his minions. RFK Jr. exposes the decades of lies.” Moreover, we are told that as far back as the San Francisco International AIDS Conference of June 1990, Montagnier had publicly declared “the HIV virus is harmless and passive, a benign virus.”

Perhaps this Nobel Laureate endorsed the book for other reasons and perhaps the meaning of his striking 1990 statement has been misconstrued. But surely the opinion of the researcher who won a Nobel Prize for discovering the HIV virus should not be totally ignored in assessing its possible role.

Kennedy noted that three additional science Nobel Laureates have expressed similar public skepticism for the conventional HIV/AIDS narrative, one of them being Kary Mullis, the renowned creator of the revolutionary PCR test.

The medical and media establishments were intensely hostile to Kennedy and his huge bestseller, and I became extremely suspicious when I noticed that their very harsh attacks scrupulously ignored the “HIV/AIDS Denialism” that constituted the largest and most explosive portion of his book, suggesting that they feared to challenge his claims.

Prior to the recent Covid outbreak, AIDS had probably spent four decades as the world’s highest-profile disease, and I was staggered by the notion that I might have been completely misled for all those years by our dishonest public health establishment and its subservient media. So I began exploring that half-forgotten controversy of the 1990s, which I had largely ignored at the time.

One of the major scientific heroes in Kennedy’s account is Prof. Peter H. Duesberg of Berkeley. During the 1970s and 1980s, Duesberg had been widely regarded as among the world’s foremost virologists, elected to the prestigious National Academy of Sciences at age 50, making him one of its youngest members in history. As early as 1987 he began raising serious doubts about the HIV/AIDS hypothesis and highlighting the dangers of AZT, eventually publishing a series of journal articles on the subject that gradually won over many others, including Montagnier. In 1996 he published Inventing the AIDS Virus, a massive 712 page volume setting forth his case, with the Foreword provided by Nobel Laureate Kary Mullis, the renowned inventor of PCR technology and himself another leading public critic of the HIV/AIDS hypothesis. Duesberg even underscored the confidence of his HIV skepticism by offering to be injected with HIV-tainted blood.

But rather than openly debate such a strong scientific opponent, Fauci and his allies blacklisted Duesberg from receiving any government funding, thereby wrecking his research career, while also vilifying him and pressuring others to do the same. According to fellow researchers quoted by Kennedy, Duesberg was destroyed as a warning and an example to others. Meanwhile, Fauci deployed his influence to have his critics banned from the major national media, ensuring that few outside a narrow segment of the scientific community ever even became aware of the continuing controversy.

One of Duesberg’s central claims was that the disease known as “AIDS” didn’t actually exist, but was merely the official label attached to a group of more than two dozen different illnesses, all of which had a variety of different causes, with only some of these being infectious agents. Indeed, most of these illnesses had been known and treated for many decades, but they were only designated “AIDS” if the victim was also found to test positive for the HIV virus, which probably had nothing to do with the condition.

In support of their contrary position, the authors noted that the various groups at high risk for “AIDS” only tended to get particular versions of the disease, with the “AIDS” suffered by hemophiliacs usually being very different from the “AIDS” of African villagers and only slightly overlapping with the diseases of gay men or intervenous drug addicts. Indeed, the pattern of “AIDS” in Africa seemed utterly divergent from that in the developed world. But if all these different illnesses were actually caused by a single HIV virus, such completely disparate syndromes would seem puzzling anomalies, difficult to explain from a scientific perspective.

As I discussed in this article, during the 1990s many fully mainstream publications had provided a public platform for Duesberg and his allies to make their case against their orthodox opponents, and when I read the resulting debates and discussions in Policy Review, Reason, the New York Review of Books, and several other publications, I felt that the Duesberg camp had generally gotten the better of the exchanges. Kennedy argued that the establishment had ultimately succeeded in suppressing the Duesberg Hypothesis only because of its vastly greater political power and funding rather than due to the evidence or logic behind its position, and this seemed plausible to me.

 

In 1996 Duesberg had published a book setting forth his controversial theories for a general audience, but its length of more than 700 pages initially intimidated me and the used copies on Amazon started at over \$600. However, I soon learned that the public-spirited author had simultaneously released a freely downloadable PDF copy on the Internet, and I discovered that academic journal articles and end notes filled almost half the length, reducing the body of the main text to very manageable proportions, considerably shorter than the Kennedy book.

The endorsement and Foreword by Nobel Laureate Mullis persuaded me to try a chapter or two, and I found the material so fascinating I quickly read the entire work. Duesberg very persuasively placed the HIV/AIDS controversy within the broader context of past public health debacles and the massive professional pressures faced by infectious disease researchers. His book had apparently been produced under difficult political circumstances and was ultimately released by the Regnery Company, the leading conservative press, whose publisher provided an unusual explanatory Preface, containing the following paragraphs:

The book you are about to read has been a long time in coming. Why? It is at once enormously controversial and impeccably documented. It comes from a scientist and writer of great ability and courage. It will cause, we believe, a firestorm of yet undetermined proportions in both the scientific and lay communities. And it is, I think I am safe in saying, about the most difficult book that the Regnery Company has published in nearly 50 years in the business.

If Duesberg is right in what he says about AIDS, and we think he is, he documents one of the great science scandals of the century. AIDS is the first political disease, the disease that consumes more government research money, more press time, and indeed probably more heartache—much of it unnecessary—than any other. Duesberg tells us why.

Although the text is easy reading, well-written for a general audience, it contains a huge amount of surprising medical information difficult for the non-specialist to check, and this would normally leave me cautious. However, the Lancet is one of the world’s leading medical journals, and although its editor was a strong supporter of the orthodox HIV/AIDS consensus, his 10,000 word review in the New York Review of Books treated both Duesberg and his book very respectfully, so I doubt the work contains any obvious errors or blatant falsehoods. Although Duesberg’s opus is now a quarter-century old, as far as I can tell, very little has changed since it was written, and the same disputes of the mid-1990s are just as relevant today, so I would urge everyone interested in the subject to read it. Since the original PDF was so enormous, I have broken it up by chapters for the convenience of readers.

For those more interested in the scientific details, Duesberg and two co-authors also published a very lengthy academic journal review article in 2003, summarizing their position, and as a non-specialist I found it very solidly presented.

Celia Farber was a leading AIDS journalist during the 1990s, who covered Duesberg and the other main figures in the controversy, and just a few days ago she released on Substack a long 2004 article she had originally written for Harpers on the controversial Berkeley researcher, which later became the first chapter of one of her books.

  • The Passion of Peter Duesberg
    How Anthony Fauci And His AIDS Industry Sacrificed One Of America’s Greatest Cancer Scientists
    Celia Farber • Substack • January 2, 2022 • 11,000 Words

 

Duesberg’s writings provide by far the most comprehensive exposition of his material, but for those who prefer a different format, I would strongly recommend his hour-long Red Ice podcast interview from a decade ago, conveniently available on Youtube.

Youtube videos are widely popular among those less inclined to read, and the same year that Duesberg’s opus was published, Starvision Productions released a two hour documentary entitled “HIV=AIDS: Fact or Fraud,” which very effectively covers much of the same material. The feature includes interviews with the Berkeley researcher and several of his key scientific allies in the controversy, one of whom describes the scandal in American medical science as worse than the notorious Lysenko fraud of the old Soviet Union.

Among the many telling points, the documentary notes that although nearly 90% of those Americans suffering from AIDS are male, HIV tests administered to our new military recruits indicate that the general rate of HIV infection in the population is equal between men and women, a very strange divergence between the illness and its alleged cause. Furthermore, the incidence rates of sexually-transmitted diseases and HIV have sharply diverged over the years, raising serious doubts about whether the virus actually follows that mode of transmission.

Although both Duesberg and most of the other scientists in his camp seemed to be very conventional and even buttoned-down researchers, an important exception was Nobel Laureate Kary Mullis, widely regarded as a brilliant but eccentric and iconoclastic figure. For those interested in his views on the HIV/AIDS debate, I would recommend the following two hour interview by Dr. Gary Null, also released in 1996.

Mullis’s demeanor is extremely informal and almost boyish, and some of the questions he raises have an “Emperor’s New Clothes” feel about them. He notes that substantial numbers of the young military enlistees who annually test positive for HIV grew up in small rural towns that are hardly likely to be AIDS hotbeds, and suggests that their mothers be tested for the virus, which is known to be transmitted to the newborn. If those women also tested positive, that would prove the virus had already been widespread eighteen or twenty years earlier, completely demolishing the established AIDS narrative. Naturally, none of our many thousands of dedicated AIDS researchers showed any interest in implementing this extremely simple research proposal.

Destroying Our Faith in American Public Health

The story that Duesberg tells is a simple one. After the successful eradication of polio in the 1950s, America’s enormous existing infrastructure of infectious disease professionals lost most of the reason for its existence, and its leaders eventually began searching for some new means of justifying their continued government funding. The War on Cancer begun in the late 1960s proved a dismal failure and the massively-hyped warnings of a deadly Swine Flu epidemic in 1976 became a complete debacle, leading to the ouster of some top officials. So a few years later when the AIDS label was affixed to a group of apparently unrelated illnesses, Anthony Fauci and others had a tremendous incentive to claim that the cause was an infectious agent, and despite the lack of any solid evidence soon fingered the HIV virus as the culprit. Once that original misdiagnosis had spawned an enormous multi-billion-dollar industry, its researchers, administrators, and corporate beneficiaries were committed to protecting it.

However, if so many of our infectious disease professionals have spent decades fighting the phantom of HIV, they must necessarily be less well prepared to cope with any real contagion that might appear. In late 2019 international organizations had ranked our country as the best prepared in the world to handle any epidemic outbreak, but the reality proved quite different.

From the beginning, the public health measures America adopted to combat the Covid outbreak were extremely divisive, but I think that all ideological camps can agree that our national performance has been absolutely disastrous, leading to a combination of many hundreds of thousands of deaths, year-long lockdowns in much of the country, and the continuing severe disruption to the daily lives of our entire population. By any reasonable standard of success, America’s public health system has completely failed.

My own entrance into the long-dormant HIV/AIDS controversy came about after the current vaxxing debate prompted me to read Kennedy’s recent book, only to discover that so much of it was actually focused on AIDS. Despite Kennedy’s efforts, my own position on Covid vaccinations or other related public health measures still remains very conventional, not too different from what might be found in the pages of the Times or the Economist. But as I have previously emphasized, although my views haven’t changed, my confidence in those views has been severely shaken:

As an outside observer with no special expertise in these areas of medicine, I was impressed by much of the material that Kennedy marshaled in support of his unorthodox views on vaccines and Covid treatments, but found that the evidence he provided on HIV and AIDS was vastly more comprehensive and persuasive, while being backed by far more authoritative experts. But if as he argues, the truth about HIV and AIDS has been successfully suppressed for decades by the entire medical industry, we must necessarily become very suspicious about other medical claims, including those regarding Covid and vaccinations.

I even wonder if this might not represent part of the hidden subtext of the bitter current battle over vaxxing and the almost paranoid reaction of so many opponents. Those who have challenged the official scientific dogma on AIDS have long since been driven out of the public square so that few who draw their information from the mainstream media are even aware of the dispute. But the sort of divergent theories presented by Kennedy have probably circulated for years within particular segments of the population, and these individuals have become firmly convinced that huge numbers of Americans died because the medical establishment inflicted the deadly AZT treatment to combat the harmless HIV virus. So they would now grow extremely suspicious when they learned that a low-mortality Covid virus was being treated by the widespread use of experimental new vaccines that had completely circumvented the usual testing process through a set of emergency waivers. After absorbing the remarkable contents of Kennedy’s important book, I think these are not unreasonable concerns to have.

The corrupt machinations of Purdue Pharmaceutical destroyed millions of American families with opioids while producing a multi-billion-dollar fortune for the Sackler family, but our national media and health establishments ignored the disaster for more than a dozen years. Merck’s Vioxx probably cut short the lives of hundreds of thousands of elderly Americans, but that transgression was quickly forgiven and forgotten. And I am now seriously starting to wonder whether the four decade campaign against HIV/AIDS, involving so many thousands of academics and researchers, may indeed be a scientific fraud on a par with the Lysenko scandal of the USSR.

Given such a dismal recent public health track-record, now capped by the Covid disaster, I have become much more sympathetic to the sometimes almost paranoid suspicions of so many of America’s agitated anti-vaxxers.

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  1. Ghali says:

    The map above is a distortion of reality. I shows that Australia, Britain and the USA are the “most prepared” countries. This is not true. I live in Australia and it is the most unprepared. In Britain it is worse, and we all know how bad the situation in the USA. One million deaths. It is the worst in the world.

  2. Just saw an interesting video today about how it takes around 17 years for the American medical establishment to endorse a new treatment, unless it’s a new med approved by Big Pharma/FDA.

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  3. Americans consume drugs of all types at rates far higher than the rest of the world. The bigger questions no one seems to ask is why do Americans drug themselves at rates far higher than anyone else? The only thing I have seen that sets the US apart from the rest of the world is the rate at which we drug our children.

    Each year six or seven million children are diagnosed with ADHD, Attention Deficit HyperActive Disorder, and the vast majority are then drugged with amphetamines to “treat” the ADHD. Especially boys. When the kids turn 18 they tend to lose the amphetamine prescriptions. It should not be a surprise that many of the drugged children, cut off from their legal speed prescriptions turn to other drugs, including street drugs to self medicate.

    Noting or thinking there might be a connection between drugging millions of children each year with amphetamines for a condition that was only created 40 years ago or so, and other drug addictions later in life, is considered beyond the pale. The pharma industry and government which sponsor most medical research in the country have not really delved into this topic nor would they want to.

    Hugo Chavez, normally someone I would characterize as a blowhard, observed the problem was not Latin America producing drugs but American’s insatiable appetite for them. Why do Americans crave drugs far more than the rest of the world? Drugging children seems to be the one thing the US does in mass numbers that the rest of the world does not. Apparently they do not have children with ADHD or if they do, don’t think giving speed or psychotropic medications is the best way to deal with it.

    But of all the medicated children with ADHD, there don’t seem to be any/many success stories. There sure seems to be a lot of train wrecks though. Suicidal ideation is also a known side effect of the ADHD medications as well. Maybe it should be no surprise that drugging Americans from the time they are toddlers might make them more prone to drug addiction (is it an addiction if they are prescribed drugs for years or decades on end for ailments that just don’t get better or go away?), alcoholism and suicide.

    Are a hundred thousand drug overdose deaths significant in a country of 330 million people? 3 to 4 million people a year die of something in the US. How important is it from a macro level?

  4. Biff says:

    A well written piece that is a comprehensive compilation of what appears to be money making rackets aimed at peoples need for healthcare, which is a great place to perch economic monopolies – then capture the regulators with your billions.

    Preying on human vulnerabilities for their need for better health is so americanna capitolacea
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    I have become much more sympathetic to the sometimes almost paranoid suspicions of so many of America’s agitated anti-vaxxers.

    Personally, I’m not anti-vax; just anti-mandate. Don’t need it; don’t want it.

  5. theMann says:

    WePublic Health, working even better than Public Education.

    It really is very simple:

    1. Follow the money, find the corruption
    2. The average licensed medical practitioner is a script monkey – they can test, then they can prescribe, outside of that they are clueless.
    3. (Or, 1A,) 60% of TV advertising revenue comes from Bjg Pharma. Money well spent, as it buys a megaphone of lies.
    4. And most important, if the average American wasn’t a grade a shiteater, looking for magic pills and magic shots, they would look to their own health.

  6. Anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:

    The PDF link goes to a different article.

  7. Anon62 says:

    So they would now grow extremely suspicious when they learned that a low-mortality Covid virus was being treated by the widespread use of experimental new vaccines that had completely circumvented the usual testing process through a set of emergency waivers. After absorbing the remarkable contents of Kennedy’s important book, I think these are not unreasonable concerns to have.

    Thank you.

    It only took roughly two years, and I don’t know how many thousands of words contributed by concerned UR readers, for you to finally acknolwedge the “COVID quacks” may be more sane than the authoritarian elite may wish you to know.

    I also thank you for the fact that dispite your own scepticism in regard to the concerns raised by the “COVID quacks” you continued to host thier comments and discussion on UR. Speaking for myself, I can say that this community exchange / debate in columns hosted by UR was one of the best sources of information available on the web.

    Cheers!

  8. Anon62 says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Apparantly this is one of the reasons for the lack of Ivermectin treatments.

    It takes something in excess of \$50,000,000 to shepard a new drug through the approval process. No for-profit firm is going to spend that amount of money to gain FDA approval for a low cost oinment available at almost any feed store. You cannot patent an existing formula or therapy.

    Since no for-profit compnay is willing to undertake that expense the FDA bureaucrats refuse to recognize any theraputic beneft and American citizens die.

    What the for-profit firm can do is to mix the Invermectin active ingredient in with a few other non-essential compounds and create a “new” formula they can then patent and profitably market.

    The bureaucrats are happy, the drug companies are happy, their investors are happy, the markets are jubuliant and few hundred thousand dead make not a word of complaint.

    • Thanks: JimDandy, Badger Down
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @Carroll price
  9. In late 2019 international organizations had ranked our country as the best prepared in the world to handle any epidemic outbreak, but the reality proved quite different.

    The graphic presented here by Mr. Unz is very useful indeed. As they say, a picture paints 1,000 words.

    One angle, as Mr. Unz correctly pointed out, is that the reality over the last two years has been the exact inverse of the graphic’s claim – those nations supposedly “best prepared” for a “pandemic” have performed the worst (and in the case of Australia, which has morphed into a real life version of George Orwell’s 1984 – presumably to be followed by “The Walking Dead” in 2022 – the very worst of the worst).

    In the same vein, on the flip side, those nations labeled “least prepared” for a “pandemic” have weathered the Corona Chan hoax the best (especially across the African continent).

    One might interpret this subject from a different angle, however. Those nations pinned by the graphic as “best prepared” have indeed been best prepared in advance by the infiltration of the Satanic Globalists throughout the political, corporate, judicial and media classes in those countries to carry out their planned “pandemic” psyop and “vaccination” response in the exact same way as they meticulously gamed in their 2019 Event 201 rehearsal.

    Is it any wonder that the common folk – the “useless eaters” – in those particular countries (the supposedly “best prepared”) have fared so poorly under the Satanic Globalists’ relentless drive towards their long-planned Great Reset and New World Order?

    I’ll bet Klaus Schwab has that exact map on his wall to help plan out the next stages of the WEF’s global plans.

    • Replies: @DevilAdvocate
  10. “After the successful eradication of polio in the 1950s, America’s enormous existing infrastructure of infectious disease professionals lost most of the reason for its existence, and its leaders eventually began searching for some new means of justifying their continued government funding.

    Gee I could have sworn he was talking about nuclear scientists after their reason for being was destroyed by the end of WWII. They immediately began searching for some new means to justify their continued government funding. And they found it. In the world’s most expensive method of boiling water. In the worlds most expensive and complex earthquake fault detector.

    • Agree: Kali
  11. When I was cop (now retired), I was utterly shocked at how many people I encountered who were on some kind of Prozac or psychotropic drug. People were depressed and had absolutely no coping skills, so they would turn to some opiate narcotic to make themselves feel better. It was amazing too at how many physicians seemed to not even give any thought about the many prescriptions they were handing out to their patients.

    Almost all my calls during my shift were in some way drug or alcohol related. It seemed to be a very rare occurrence to encounter someone who was balanced and well-adjusted and who didn’t have a drug addiction of some type. I used to ask my fellow officers, “Is everyone on drugs?” I know there are some people who can drink responsibly, but in my former profession I rarely met these types. Many cops too had serious alcohol issues.

    What was especially tragic was how many children and teenagers were on Ritalin or some drug to keep them under control. I noticed that single mothers who couldn’t handle their young boy’s rambunctious ways would seek help from the family physician who was all too happy to place them on a sedative protocol. As the kids entered their teenage years, that’s when we’d start to get calls about their suicide attempts.

    Alcohol, and especially opiates, have proven to be a plague on White Americans. From childhood into adulthood, we are bombarded with constant messages about how alcohol makes life better. It’s a lie. I don’t believe it for a minute.

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason, Rich
    • Thanks: Levtraro, Kali, Carroll price
  12. Bert33 says:

    Hypochondria also kills and misuse of medications can lead to overdose. We have become habituated to the idea that all our ills and ailments can be cured with the contents of little brown bottles, including stress and good ol’ heartbreak. The other little brown bottle has alcohol in it, and while drowning your sorrows provides temporary respite, what it really does is buy your problems time to regroup and strategize their next mass attack.

    We eat, but poorly, we sleep fitfully, we push too hard for too many hours, and then everyone is lined up getting treated for depression and high blood pressure instead of making changes long overdue in what we do and how we do it and relying on GP’s and specialist referrals to keep us out of the morgue so we can keep right on doing as we’ve always done, all for a small monthly fee plus copay.

    Maybe it’s time to stop expecting the healthscare industry to perform miracles and administer panaceas when the correct answer is to eat better, sleep better, disconnect from the idiot box and social media, and live at a more human pace, and not chase that dollar right off a cliff.

    • Agree: DevilAdvocate
    • Thanks: Joe Levantine
  13. Mr. Unz is always being staggered.

    It’s like, he’s all naive, then he’s staggered, then he’s naive again, then he’s staggered again.

    I personally would just stop reading the New York Times. It causes too much staggering.

  14. In late 2019 international organizations had ranked our country as the best prepared in the world to handle any epidemic outbreak, but the reality proved quite different…

    the public health measures America adopted…

    By any reasonable standard of success, America’s public health system has completely failed.

    I’d say the plot to exploit either the regular flu or a biolab engineered coronavirus for purposes of social control, radical escalation of the totalitarian police state and of course the usual elite plundering, as demonstrated in the 2019 strategy conclaves held by the Gates Foundation, the WEF, other globalization cadres and every kind of governmental and military agency along with the imperial media and academia, prepared the US establishment very well for its “Covid” onslaught starting with the full-court-press terrorist propaganda campaign followed immediately by the welter of lawless, unconstitutional, anti-scientific policy assaults (lockdowns, face diapers, hex distancing, and ASAP the experimental gene-altering injections falsely and anti-scientifically dubbed “vaccines”).

    The instantaneous and unanimous full court press of every US institution from the federal government to state governments to big corporations to system NGOs to every media and academic institution to most local governments and employers, has been truly impressive, as well as one of the best proofs that the entire big lie and totalitarian policy onslaught were fully premeditated and precoordinated.

    They even somehow knew ahead of time to be far along in development of the exact gene-altering agents (and patenting of same) they were going to proclaim were “Covid-19 vaccines”.

    No, I’d say the US institutional system was very well prepared for the fake pandemic it planned to invent and exploit.

    By any reasonable standard of success, America’s public health system has completely failed.

    So far it has succeeded very well according to its actual, real-world standard of success, as opposed to boy-scout-good-civics-textbook fantasies about what that standard is supposed to be. Certainly the actual standard isn’t reasonable, but then what sentient person thinks there’s anything reasonable about the US establishment?

    the public health measures America adopted…

    There were, of course, never any such measures. Literally every measure and every talking point were designed deliberately to destroy all public and individual health and make as many people as possible as sick as possible, killing as many as possible. To the extent there actually have been excess deaths in 2020 and 2021 these all were caused by the lockdowns themselves, by the wholesale abdication and dereliction of the entire US medical and health care establishment, by the deliberate euthanasia campaigns in the care facilities, and increasingly by the injections: The epidemic of injection-caused heart attacks, strokes etc., and soon the impending real pandemic of Vaccine-Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome as the injections cumulatively demolish the immune functioning of those who submit to them.

    Unlike AIDS, VAIDS is a clear-cut discrete conditi0n with a clear causality. And, like the fake “Covid” pandemic which served as the set-up for it, this bona fide pandemic will be deliberate and premeditated.

  15. Anonymous[586] • Disclaimer says:

    Thanks Ron for all you do. Your bravery and integrity are inspiring. You don’t seem to be the type who is moved much by compliments, so I’ll leave it at that.

    Whenever I (like many others, I presume) have been exposed to men similarly inspirational in their bravery and integrity, my instinct is to learn more about them (if they are historical figures, I search for a good biography). In your case, I can only imagine (backed by vague recollections) how slanted and slanderous any story about you that I’m likely to find online would be, so I’m curious if you can refer me (us) to any link that describes your life and personality in a way in which you approve. A post about yourself would be even better, but I’m aware of course that there’s a strong possibility you wish your life to remain as private as possible at this weird inflection point in history. If so, ignore this paragraph. But I figured rather than just thank you for another movingly honest and informative column, I’d take the opportunity to ask, under the assumption that many of your readers (including long time lurkers like me) are of similar mind.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes, Irish Savant
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  16. Sepp says:

    It is very clear to many, if not most, UR readers that the ((US)) is waging biological warfare not only across the entire planet, but especially within the borders of the US itself.

    This bio-warfare has a MIC component as well as a big Pharma component. Scientists cross over between Big Pharma and the MIC as easily as lipid coated mRNA crosses the blood brain barrier. Fauci, who perversely is allowed to own patents, has been conducting gain of function research with billions of cash stuffed into his pockets by the NIH.

    Here is a recent example of the wanton recklessness of this unholy big Pharma/MIC alliance:

    Kazakhstan Denies US-Funded ‘Military Biological Lab’ Seized By Rioters After Russia Claims Potential Pathogen Leak

    “According to Russian media, the biolab near Almaty – built in 2017 and used to study outbreaks of particularly dangerous infections – was ‘compromised,’ resulting in a potential leak of dangerous pathogens. Kazakh officials have denied the claim.”

    All across the planet these labs are conducting all kinds of nefarious research and experiments by what have to be considered mad scientists. It has become a lawless free for all, like some mining town in a Clint Eastwood western.

    The holy grail for these corrupt big Jewish Pharma companies is indemnification. By working with the MIC and the Deep State in these far flung biolabs, big Pharma can indemnify themselves from liability for “lab leaks” or experiments that run amok. This is an environment where mad scientists are conducting a profusion of experiments running the gamut from DNA modifying mRNA to mind control, all with indemnification by the MIC.

    In this bio-frontier atmosphere, in 2020, Trump the Zio-puppet releases “Operation Warp Speed”. Within months “Emergency Use Authorization” indemnification was granted, and we had the Big Jewish Pharma shootout at the OK Corral. Astra Zenica was the first to fall. Then J&J. Moderna has taken a few hits, and Pfizer appears to be the winner of the shoot out. Millions of innocent bystanders have been hit by stray needles. That the Sackler’s are passing out Laudanum to the victims of the big Pharma shoot out is just a side show.

    • Agree: GMC, Mevashir, Nancy, Skeptikal
  17. Anon[394] • Disclaimer says:

    Is the iatrogenic epidemic of drug addiction caused to a large extent by pharmaceutical advertising and government fast track approval any different from the epidemic of ignorance produced by the corporate media? America’s unwarranted belief in their country’s exceptionalism has created arguably the most gullible people on the planet. Consequently, their unwittingly buying into dubious schemes of endless quick fixes so they can indulge themselves in their other addictions of rampant consumerism and trivial pursuits will remain a permanent fixture of American life.

    It therefore stands to reason that the inventors of bizarre diseases such as PTSD, SAD (Seasonal Adjustment Syndrome), ADD, CFS (Chronic Fatigue Syndrome) that are almost exclusively American ailments should also prompt the pharmaceutical industry to invent their remedies that would rake in billions of dollars in profits. The AIDS and Covid conundrums fit perfectly into this scheme.

    Whether or not one is skeptical about the HIV being a cause of AIDS, is a separate matter. But to cavalierly dismiss poor nutrition as a possible cause of AIDS in Africa, a continent of some 54 sovereign countries with different economies, climate zones is a cover for ignorance and yielding to bigoted stereotyping from exceptionalist hordes.

  18. I started this long (>29,000 words) expecting it to be about the first photograph and the initial Header – Opioids as the White Death.

    Either the Corporate Media hasn’t done much reporting about the Rising morbidity and mortality in midlife among white non-Hispanic Americans in the 21st century study, or I’ve just missed seeing anything about it. Totally new story for me.

    Suddenly the topic changed to Vioxx. I assume this abomination was caused by the takeover of the FDA by Big Pharma, and a dangerous drug was allowed on the market so B.P. could make piles of money, and damn the consequences. This kind of regulatory capture was certainly a problem back then, and dangerous and/or useless drugs are still allowed to reach the marketplace if the profit potential is great enough.

    The next gear shift was quite unexpected. AIDS and the Duesberg Hypothesis

    Never mind that it simply doesn’t belong here. It’s my opinion this topic veers into “Tooth Fairy” land, but even if I’m wrong about that, this would be “Scientific Fraud” instead of an “American Health Problem.” If my WP word counter can be trusted, this third part of the piece was the longest at 17,000 words.

    The fourth and final wrenching change was the last paragraph:

    Given such a dismal recent public health track-record, now capped by the Covid disaster, I have become much more sympathetic to the sometimes almost paranoid suspicions of so many of America’s agitated anti-vaxxers.

    Yes, Covid in the US is a disaster all right. But not in China where they did some sensible things. The US of A is in fact about the worst on the planet in terms of screwing thing up. (The CDC still recommends avoiding N95 masks.) Yet the American Covid disaster somehow validates the lunatic Covid Deniers?

    No, it does not.

    Mr. Unz ought to have ended this long essay right after the Vioxx part.

    ***********

    Back to the opioids for a moment. Below is a link to an interesting and explanatory article I found.

    Deaths of Despair or Access to Healthcare?
    https://rockinst.org/blog/stories-from-sullivan-deaths-of-despair-or-access-to-healthcare/

  19. Franz says:

    Dr Josh Bloom has collected a set of articles and graphs on the Opioid Epidemic and implies == actually he shouts it in literally a hundred articles — that it has been misreported seriously. It is mostly a Fentanyl and its analogs epidemic.

    Most of us who’ve researched this figured it was China via Mexico moving the Fentanyl. This might be as big an error as letting Perdue sell pills. Either way, Dr Bloom covers that subject and covers it well.

    https://www.acsh.org/news/2021/10/05/analyzing-opioid-crisis-updated-100-articles-published-op-eds-15848

    • Agree: Bro43rd
  20. @Anon62

    @Ron Unz

    Let me quote a larger context than Anon62 did:

    But the sort of divergent theories presented by Kennedy have probably circulated for years within particular segments of the population, and these individuals have become firmly convinced that huge numbers of Americans died because the medical establishment inflicted the deadly AZT treatment to combat the harmless HIV virus. So they would now grow extremely suspicious when they learned that a low-mortality Covid virus was being treated by the widespread use of experimental new vaccines that had completely circumvented the usual testing process through a set of emergency waivers. After absorbing the remarkable contents of Kennedy’s important book, I think these are not unreasonable concerns to have.

    Ron, driven by your preconceptions and your vestigal trust in the establishment media, you still fail to grasp that it is not at all the small number of traditional “anti-vaxxers” and people with “divergent theories” who are driving the resistance to the Covid-19 vaccine mandates and policies.

    It is simply people who have realized that these policies make no sense, and most of them have no or only passing acquaintance with such views and theories, or have only recently become interested in them as the result, not the cause of their resistance to to the Covid-19 vaccine mandates and policies forced upon them.

    The historical record of previous medical fiascos, while relevant, is utterly and completely unnecessary for understanding the current fiasco that has been unfolding for two years right under your nose.

    (Let me add that I think Mike Whitney’s views are a lot more extreme than most of the Covid-policy-skeptic commenters here. He is not at all representative.)

    • Agree: Mehen, W
    • Replies: @Dutch Boy
    , @Nancy
  21. GMC says:

    You can Not get pain pills in my part of Russia , unless you have cancer, the only relief you can buy is an anti inflammatory – 100mg and aspirin. But the WHO and the Gates Foundation walked right into Moscow and made the Government and Gamaleya do whatever they asked them to do, concerning the Covid “virus “. I’ll also assume that those 20+ Biological Labs surrounding Russia, belong to Big Pharma and Gates, since Russia doesn’t consider them as much of a threat as Natos armies.

    It’s beginning to look like all those BioWeapons labs are part of the Sampson option that Israel and the NWO – West has implemented around the world, in order to extort each country. And certainly those labs are spreading more than Covid 19. Take out those BioWeapons labs around Russia and watch NWO Nato and their puppet states stand down – fast. Start with the 6 in Kazakhstan.

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  22. JimDandy says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Trump is an interesting character in all of this. He is destroying himself politically by alienating his base with his vaccine cheerleading. It seems obvious that he simply wants praise for field marshaling vaxx development, but what choice does he have? Technically, he’s to blame for rushing these potions into circulation. If/when the winds shift, he could be the fall guy.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  23. Refl says:

    It seems that we are getting there! I appreciate that Mr Unz is taking his time to come to a sober understanding of the COVID-thing. Be the details as they may, in the end it will go down history as a disastrous case of administrative cack-handling, easily putting an end to the supposed superiority of Western civilisation, possibly taking a sizable portion of its people down with it into the dustbin of history. I could live with that, would it not be for a number of people close to me whom I would have liked to save from that fate.

    AIDS is the first political disease

    That is the most worrying part, for COVID is even more of a politized disease. And my tin-foiled hat tells me that the two are related:
    AIDS became a huge factor in promoting homosexuality as a lifestyle and prepared our societies for ever more excessive tolerance for sexual deviation – so much so that in this era a sizable part of the politicans in charge are such deviants who have no sense of responsibility for society as a whole and will easily torture and even kill children with mask mandates and poisonous injections.

    I still remember the scandal that arrose when the idea came up to quarantine people diagnosed with HIV. For the life of me, I would never have inagined that the deviants would end up having me quarantined and my family forcefully exposed to medical experiments!

  24. Ron, your use of “paranoid”, esp the first time, makes you sound paranoid. No, not quite that. I hope you have an appointment with a psychiatrist to get a more accurate diagnosis.

    The suppression of Ivermectin is a smoking gun. There are others. Can’t you see the very thick smoke?

    Here we have the scurrilous scamdemic scoundrel Skerrit near the top of the TGA controlling all Australia’s physicians, making it impossible, career-destroying, for them to prescribe Ivermectin.

    And coming up with absurd insistence that it ìs not sufficiently tested while giving emergency approvals to

    • Agree: SteveK9
    • Thanks: Joe Levantine
    • Replies: @SteveK9
  25. Mr. Anon says:

    The US public health establishment, as embodied and represented by Anthony Fauci, seems to be enamored of infectious disease. I wonder if there is perhaps a deep-seated reason for this. This is a purely subjective and seat-of-the-pants observation, but here goes:

    That public health establishment is dominated by the pharmaceutical industry. Regulatory capture is the term of art. I don’t think this is really in dispute, at least among people who are intellectually honest.

    Well, the pharmaceutical industry is joined at the hip with the chemical industry. Actually, pharmaceutical companies ARE chemical companies. But, even more importantly, historically they are linked. Bayer, for example, traditionally made industrial chemicals and pharmaceuticals. Still does for that matter (they now own what used to be Monsanto). If one were to disentangle the links of cross-ownership, one might find some interesting relationships between big-pharma and the industrial chemical (including petro-chemical) industry.

    So emphasizing infectious agents as the cause for disease is a way of saying “Don’t look here at chemical and mineral agents (like Dioxin, Asbestos, Heavy Metals, Benzene, etc.) as a source of disease; look over here at all these viruses – this is what is making you sick.

    Mind you, I’m not one of these guys who deny the existence of microbes. I think there are viruses and bacteria and that they can cause disease. But there are also chemical agents and these can also be harmful too.

    Then there is also the fact that viruses are so sociologically useful, for dissolving the bonds between people, so that only the bonds between citizens (i.e. subjects) and the State, or between consumers and the corporation remain. They can be used to separate and isolate people – as we have seen during the COVID pandemic. Those people over there – strangers, friends, relatives, your grandchildren even, those awful unvaccinated people – are the enemy. They make you sick. You need to isolate yourselves from people in order to be healthy. Stay at home – stay “safe at home” – alone, sterile, protected from those unclean, diseased germ-vectors (formerly known as other people).

    Fear of disease is an excellent way to separate people from one another. Mere fear of chemicals doesn’t do that.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
    • Thanks: Thor Walhovd
    • Replies: @Anon
  26. Jim123 says:

    From March to June 2020, when Sars CoV2 first came to USA, infecting thousands, outpatient care visits plummeted.

    A pandemic is declared in March 2020; tens of thousands become infected; outpatient care services steeply decline, when medical care is most needed.

    Below is weekly CDC data showing weekly outpatient visits summed for all ages groups, Oct. 2019 to July 2020; and observe March 2020 and next several weeks. [There was no plan for outpatient care during this critical 90 days. There was no treatments recommended. And if a person got so sick needed hospital care, then and only then, when in many instances it was too late. This data demonstrates this horrible response.]

    [MORE]

    OCTOBER 2019
    763025
    768168
    757541
    782857
    764227
    766534
    757295
    796074
    733104
    795314
    807441
    806331
    824741
    JANUARY 2020
    847926
    832552
    826554
    828223
    870767
    868888
    858098
    781956
    810298
    838741
    824052
    621110
    MARCH 2020
    502427
    440714
    422219
    411921
    443859
    463959
    489780
    503922
    708310
    734723
    757640
    796864
    842509
    JULY 2020
    895768
    912157

    sources:

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2020-2021/data/iliage39.html

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2021-2022/data/iliage52.html

    -30-

  27. Percival says:

    Quinones’s more recent book (The Least of Us) paints a slightly different picture regarding the opioid epidemic. Perhaps we are right to revile the Sacklers for getting millions of Americans addicted to painkillers, but it seems unlikely OxyContin and similar pills are responsible for the increase in mortality rates. Rather, highly potent synthetic opioids (fentanyl, etc.) coming first from China and increasingly from Mexico began to flood the black market. These drugs have proved so deadly, chiefly for to two reasons: the utter incompetence of drug dealers who adulterate their product but fail to mix substances homogeneously, and the extreme potency of these new drugs. The end results are pills containing lethal doses, or cocktails of drugs like meth adulterated with opioids unbeknownst to the buyer. Then there’s the calamity of P2P meth, but that’s a whole other story.
    In fact, if you want to know why George Floyd died, The Least of Us indirectly provides a rather comprehensive explanation.

  28. Scaurus says:

    Peter Duesberg gave an hour-long video presentation in May 2009 at Hans-Hermann Hoppe’s Property and Freedom Society in Bodrum, Turkey. This is an annual conference where over the years other Unz Review contributors such as Steve Sailer, John Derbyshire, and Jared Taylor, have also presented. You may wish to add the link as video material for those readers who are not so inclined to read the written word.

    It is only one hour, and you can see Duesberg speaking and presenting his own slides. He was in great form that day.

    • Thanks: Ron Unz
  29. After reading Empire Of Pain, the story of the Sackler family, I find it hard to retain any faith in humanity, let alone the utterly corrupt ‘health’ racket. Hippocrates must be turning in his grave.

    • Replies: @BuelahMan
  30. cranc says:

    A strange article to see. Basically, it concludes that the US public health system is essentially best viewed as corrupt, easily scam-able. (It basically avoids any delve into global public health, its politics and relation to Big Pharma). The piece concludes with a re-statement of belief supportive of the key public health response to Covid (i.e. the injections).
    This is such a strange sentence :

    Given such a dismal recent public health track-record, now capped by the Covid disaster, I have become much more sympathetic to the sometimes almost paranoid suspicions of so many of America’s agitated anti-vaxxers.

    Are ‘anti-vaxxers’ paranoid (i.e. irrationally suspicious of the products from Big Pharma) ? What does ‘sometimes almost paranoid’ mean? What does Unz mean by ‘anti-vaxxer’ anyway : someone who opposes all vaccination outright as a medical intervention, someone who declines certain vaccines, someone who opposes mandatory/ coerced vaccination, someone who doesn’t consider mRNA injections to qualify as ‘vaccines’, or someone who argues that the Covid shots specifically are not needed/ tested/ effective/ safe ? For the hundredth time, the label is dismissive and shuts down debate.
    It is almost as if the brain dead stripped down binary of ‘conventional’ versus ‘antivaxxer’ into which media and government narratives insist we fit, cannot answer the questions that now scream out to be answered.
    Recommendation to Ron Unz: study the treatments for Covid and how they have been used and restricted around the world. Report back to us on that and how it fits with your new interest in public health matters. Many esteemed doctors, scientists and thinkers have concluded that, basically, very few need have died from this disease if a different course had been taken.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Mr Anatta
  31. @Anon62

    Well that’s the whole point and explains why the UR is imo the best info/opinion forum on the Web.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes, Anon62
  32. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    its leaders eventually began searching for some new means of justifying their continued government funding

    Covid has been a real shot in the arm, so to speak, for innumerable companies and opportunistic people who’ve jumped on the bandwagon. It’s become a huge gravy train. If the shots were so safe and effective there wouldn’t need to be all this massive censorship; the facts would speak for themselves. Instead of open discussion the media are in uniform lockstep with one another in trying to keep contrary reporting out of the public realm, a sign that there’s something to hide. The money being thrown around is vastly corrupting.
    The chart ranking of ‘most prepared’ is now exposed as just political propaganda. China ranked rather low and N Korea around the bottom. You can see it as just another product of the massive lie factory we have here, this one posing as ‘science’ info.

  33. rvdemonk says:

    Regardless of the conclusion you end up reaching concerning the covid vaccine, I admire your open mind Ron, and the platform you provide for intellectual dissent.

    The implications of the AIDS hoax and Vioxx debacle certainly cast a long and dark shadow on the events unfolding globally as we speak. However, the sheer scope of the covid vaccine roll-out and the ubiquity of its usage is surely a material distinction. AIDs and Vioxx affected much smaller subsets of the world population. What would a fallout from this public health crisis even look out? Or does the scale of the impact preclude any recognition or reckoning?

  34. So – white death & opioids has now gone mainstream.

    Uh – it’s almost as if Steve Sailer had been onto something here by pointing these facts out for – years now, ins’t it?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  35. This article is a 3-in-1, with sections the White Death, the real story on AIDS/HIV, and the Covid-19 PanicFest.

    *****************
    1) This has been ignored by the Lyin’ Press because White lived don’t matter. Another thing to understand about it is that the White middle/working classes are anathema to them. They want them GONE whether via blatant government persecution, attack by a can-do-no-wrong black contingent, despair, or (takes longer but more effective) long-term population replacement.

    Steve Sailer, here on your own blog, Mr. Unz, has been writing about the opioid crises for a number of years now. Just because you picked up a book on it, doesn’t mean it’s something nobody ever thought about before.

    *****************
    2) This is interesting stuff, but I’m no expert or worrier about it, being neither a sodomite nor a druggie.

    *****************
    3) Who cares?! You’re missing the point. The Covid PanicFest was something ginned up by the Establishment around the world to take advantage of what was just another deadlier strain of virus out of the Orient to greatly increase Totalitarianism. Even if backed off on, the precedents have been set.

    That map misses the point. Besides having an advisory capacity (the mission of the CDC, if anyone could still recall!), the best the US Feral Gov’t could have done is stay the hell out. Doctors, hospitals, and local officials, and most importantly INDIVIDUALS, could have made their own choices in treatments.

    Preparedness, my ass! People left responsible by a small government will make their own wise and best choices. That goes for healthcare too, in addition to what we already know, in the spending of money, the education of their kids … etc… etc.

    Instead we got the PanicFest and a nation of hysterics. This is why Peak Stupidity will post a quick take called “Menopause Nation” this week, as one of our well over 100 posts on this Kung Flu Stupidity.

    • Agree: Emslander, Adam Smith
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  36. Kali says:

    https://odysee.com/@Corona-Investigative-Committee:5/Mike-Session-86-en:0

    I’m sure that by now most here have heard or read the name ‘Dr Mike Yeadon’, though I fear some may have dismissed this respiratory virology expert who spent thirty years as head of respiratory virology at pfiizer as an “anti-vaxx crackpot” or similar.

    The Corona Investigative Committee has been hard at work for months gathering the evidence of fraud and malfeasence in regard to all aspects of the alledged SARS-cov2/covid19-disease ‘pandemic’, with a view to bringing this evidence before a grand jury for review, in what has been dubbed “Nurenberg 2.0”, but what looks likeky to be a court of public opinion, as this evidence is systematically ignored/dismissed as “flu hoaxery” and “anti-vaxx crackpottery” by all establishment players (because it all goes against the pandemic narrative which is being used as cover for a complete restructuring of the economic, political, social foundations which currently undrepin our daily lives, as is clearly outlined and stated by the globalists behind this “great reset”, as they themselves call it).

    The committee will soon complete its evidence gathering stage, and the testimony of over 150 expert witnesses will be brought before a “grand jury” to decide if criminal proceeding ought to be brought. I’m uncertain how the committee intend to structure the grad jury hearing, but I imagine that “we the people” will have a large part to play in its outcome.

    Above is Dr Mike Yeadons testemony to the committee.

    I pray you take the time to listen to him, and to the testimony of other experts who’ve come forward with their own evidence.

    Best regards and best wishes,
    Kali.

  37. A huge part of the problem in the US is that the bulk of the population wants to be treated like children. Very few actually think for themselves. From the medical perspective, the whole system is designed to be high cost low effectiveness with repeat business the ideal outcome.

    There should be no such thing as a prescription drug. There should be no such thing as a prescription at least not as a permission slip to obtain the drug. The prescription pad is THE major income stream for the average pill pusher and is why people go see a doctor. If all drugs were over the counter, the doctor’s waiting rooms would be mostly empty.

    There should be no laws against heroin, cocaine, etc because all that does is staff the gov’t with ineffective people that haven’t solved the illicit drug problem in 50 years but has helped produce the US police state with money laundering laws, structuring laws, a huge prison population, etc and all for no actual benefit. There should be no mention of drugs in the law books. It’s none of the gov’ts business.

    That lots of people have killed themselves with drugs isn’t a problem for anyone but themselves and their family. Everyone knows that drugs kill and yet people keep taking the chance that this time will be different. These are the stupid in the society and their passing isn’t a loss.

    That the Vioxx fiasco never made any significant waves is probably due to the limited number of people affected. The covid fiasco is a completely different story. As the deaths pile up due to the purposely misnamed “vaccines”, the majority of the country will realize that they’ve been poisoned by Big Pharma with the full cooperation and support of Big Gov’t. Maybe, just maybe, heads will roll this time because that’s what’s needed to stop the relentless attacks on the population by the predators in power.

    • Agree: anarchyst, Mevashir
  38. If challenged about a decision to thus far decline COVID injections, I shouldn’t have to say more than “Remember OxyContin and Vioxx?”

    But most of the likely challengers wouldn’t make the connection, if they even recognize the names.

    Another good example of propagandizing by omission. For the typically incurious person, there’s no history or other information beyond what’s served up by his newspaper, TV, or the “news feed” and “social media” on his phone.

  39. @Carlton Meyer

    Dr. Pierre Kory is a medical doctor with a big heart and poor analytical abilities. A sub-optimal scientist, to put it mildly.- The paper he wrote on Ivermctin had to be retracted, because it featured major scientific errors, mistakes and flaws. For details have a look here:

    https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/ivermectin-much-more-than-you-wanted

    • Replies: @Random Anonymous
  40. gotmituns says:

    All anyone has to do to figure out the health of Americans is look at them. Many are at least overweight and some are so obese they don’t even have the human form anymore. Then, on the other end of the spectrum are those waifs walking around who look as if they can be knocked over with a feather. But the worst is the dumb manner of living adopted by Americans, seldom ever going outdoors for more than a few minutes at a time for months and months. It’s unhealthy to even look at Americans.

  41. Fred777 says:
    @Ghali

    Based on the last two years you could argue the US, UK, Australia, and other western governments were very well prepared for this pandemic.

    Too well prepared.

  42. What are Whites to do? The worthless gop pretends Whites don’t exist, since if they don’t exist how can they have their own racial interests? (Insert meme of black guy tapping temple)

    The shitlib half of the uniparty has a more standard ((( narrative ))): Whites are a privileged class, carried around on palanquins by 4 minorities apiece, usually blacks (oddly, no one calls out Chinese privilege in China or Indian privilege in India or Jewish privilege in every majority-White country.)

  43. ….my own position on Covid vaccinations or other related public health measures still remains very conventional, not too different from what might be found in the pages of the Times or the Economist. But as I have previously emphasized, although my views haven’t changed, my confidence in those views has been severely shaken:

    You still don’t get it Ron? At this late date, you still believe the fairy tales you read in the NYT?

    Well, here’s a news flash for you—- from somebody with an eighth grade education:

    Covid, along with the entire vaccine industry, is a top to bottom scam.

    • Agree: Fart Blossom
  44. The pill for every ill mentality is very deeply embedded in American culture and certainly goes back as far as Pinkham’s medicinal compound and Dr Doan’s Pills.

    In the 18th and 19th centuries, there was barely any distinction between doctors and con men.

    It was only really after World War II that evidence-based medicine became a thing, and of course there have still been terrible disasters like thalidomide, which is not mentioned in the above article.

    But the real question about thalidomide might be why a sleeping pill was being prescribed to pregnant women at all, and in fact to many other people.

    Why do Americans have so much trouble sleeping? Is this something that is a bigger problem in the US than in other countries? Is it because there is all night television, and people leave their TVs on at night?

    A lot more research is needed. Here in Ecuador everything shuts down by 9:00 p.m., except for maybe a few nightclubs and emergency rooms. Even in the capital city, there is hardly a car, bus, or taxi on the road after 9:00 p.m.

    One of Duesberg’s central claims was that the disease known as “AIDS” didn’t actually exist, but was merely the official label attached to a group of more than two dozen different illnesses, all of which had a variety of different causes, with only some of these being infectious agents. Indeed, most of these illnesses had been known and treated for many decades, but they were only designated “AIDS” if the victim was also found to test positive for the HIV virus, which probably had nothing to do with the condition.

    You could say exactly the same thing about schizophrenia, but the difference is that it is now scientifically clear that age is caused by the HIV virus.

    However mental illness is still a mystery.

    This is an excellent article, except for the part about Duesberg’s theory of AIDS, which Ron Unz seems to be obsessed about. But the main part of the article raises interesting questions about the role of medicine in America.

    I personally voted for Donald Trump largely on the basis that he came into office promising to severely clip the wings of the pharmaceutical industry and the massive tolls that it extorts from Americans. But I am still waiting.

  45. Although I agree with the fact that dangerous drugs over-prescription is a very probable cause of the increased mortality, I think this is just the iceberg’s tip.
    Why aren’t US Hispanics apparently not affected ? They certainly get a similar medical advising and treatment as their white non-hispanic fellows.

    IMO this rampant mortality (or at least non-decreasing, as the other countries) is due to a combination of several factors:
    1- Very bad eating habits – Food pyramid wrong, too much pre-packaged and pre-made food, too many toxic foods and additives, too much sugar, etc
    2- Environmental toxic soup – Europe is more reactive to some proved toxins, in US Monsanto reigns unrestricted.
    3- High levels of personal isolation and depression – A consequence of family destruction.

    Joseph Mercola has been calling for these issues since a long time ago.

    US Hispanics are probably more shielded against these plagues, with different eating habits and family behaviour.

    • Agree: The Alarmist
  46. Biff says:
    @RockaBoatus

    we are bombarded with constant messages about how alcohol makes life better. It’s a lie. I don’t believe it for a minute.

    Beer; the temporary solution for everything.

    • Thanks: GMC
  47. Mr Anatta says:

    Will you hear my voice Ron,if I come and reside in your exceptional American dream land that you seem to be finding out bit by bit was a sham all along?.

    • Thanks: Jonathan Mason
    • Replies: @Ralph B. Seymour
  48. gsjackson says:
    @obwandiyag

    Agree, but I think the NYT is more implicated in the naivete part.

  49. @Zachary Smith

    Are you fully injected? This

    Yet the American Covid disaster somehow validates the lunatic Covid Deniers?

    No, it does not.

    Mr. Unz ought to have ended this long essay right after the Vioxx part.

    sounds like someone who doesn’t want to reconsider being stuck.

    What good is history if it can’t help people think critically about the present and future?

  50. @Ultrafart the Brave

    Those nations pinned by the graphic as “best prepared” have indeed been best prepared in advance by the infiltration of the Satanic Globalists throughout the political, corporate, judicial and media classes in those countries to carry out their planned “pandemic” psyop and “vaccination” response in the exact same way as they meticulously gamed in their 2019 Event 201 rehearsal.

    I would rather say those nations have been prepared by a demolishing system since many years ago. (Please see my comment #46)
    The pandemic psyop and vaccination response are simply the continuation of the latter series. The series’ episodes have been taken now to a higher degree of action…

    • Agree: Ultrafart the Brave
  51. annamaria says:
    @theMann

    “They” also aggressively bun, slander, and destroy anyone who presents truthful information inconvenient for Big Pharma profiteers.

    Malone, an mRNA platform inventor, was permanently banned from Twitter, likely triggered by a post that included a video by the Canadian COVID Care Alliance, which reviewed Pfizer data showing the COVID jab causes more illness than it prevents, and that the Pfizer trial was flawed both in design and construction. https://media.mercola.com/ImageServer/Public/2022/January/PDF/censored-mrna-vaccine-inventor-tells-all-pdf.pdf

    Pfizer 6-month data show that Pfizer’s Covid-19 inoculations cause more illness than they prevent.

    Malone believes the U.S. government is “out of control” and “lawless” in their COVID response and that their actions have resulted in, probably, half a million excess deaths. COVID jab mandates are “explicitly illegal” as the shots are experimental.

    The predicted life-threatening problems:

    When it comes to reproductive health, he warns that the lipid nanoparticles in the COVID shots can have adverse effects on the ovaries. He also reviews how the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein can cause blood clots, regardless of whether they come from natural infection or the COVID jab, and how the spike protein can disrupt the blood-brain-barrier..

    The profiteering criminals have names:

    Early treatment with drugs such as hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin is very effective and both drugs have also been safely administered for several decades. …

    The Trusted News Initiative led by the BBC [chairperson ‘sir’ David Clementi] is central to the censorship campaign… It labels anyone who disagrees with the social narrative on vaccines as an “anti-vaxxer,” and suppresses anything that goes against “approved” sources such as Anthony Fauci and the World Health Organization. …

    Thomson-Reuters, which has ties to Pfizer, is a primary fact-checker of Twitter. … not to mention that James C. Smith, chairman of the Thomson Reuters Foundation, also has been a director at Pfizer and chair of their compensation committee since 2014.

    • Agree: Fart Blossom, Thomasina
  52. JackOH says:

    Many thanks, Ron, for this article. Your Vioxx piece from years ago was my entry point to UR.

    I’ve done a bit of local health care commentary—letters to the editor, essays, local radio, issue-oriented stump-speaking, all that.

    We are, in my opinion, not even close to understanding how America’s medical establishment has suborned government processes, the academy, and the ordinary, commonsensical critical ability of reasonably educated people to achieve what might be called “factional superiority”, for want of a better term.

    Big Medicine’s capacity for political initiative and political veto is so great, in my opinion, that it amounts to something of an extra-governmental “internal hegemon” that, I think, calculates correctly nearly all the time it can avoid responsibility for the ill consequences of its decision-making.

    Think of it–the Sackler family appears to have eluded the criminal penalties routinely meted out to low-level street drug dealers whose customers have died from overdoses. Our state-licensed medical doctors have routinely refused to accept uninsured cash patients since the 1970s, and the American public has blockheadedly refused to believe the involuntary deferral and denial of medical attention even exists. They mumble something about “free stuff in the ER” and “gummint programs”.

  53. Anonymous[661] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m old enough to remember the pharmas turning morning sickness, a normal side effect of pregnancy, into a dreaded disease that demanded chemical treatment. Their solution was thalidomide, and we know how that turned out.

    Like the lady said, “It’s all about the Benjamins.”

  54. Anon[341] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    For the last 20 some years, every single time I have a annual checkup, my GP proscribes some drug. Every single time, I tell my GP ‘thanks, but no thanks’

    He always gives me a curious knowing look and says nothing.

    • Replies: @Mustapha Mond
  55. onebornfree says: • Website

    R. Unz said: ” ….naively assuming that these were in the hands of reasonably competent and reasonably honest government servants,”

    Assuming that government employees are “reasonably competent and reasonably honest”, is a fatal mistake. Millions of Americans ( let alone inhabitants of other countries) have made, and will continue to make, the exact same fatal assumption. And now, look where we’ve ended up, directly _because_ of that wrong assumption.

    Q: What will it take for you to completely abandon that assumption?

    R. Unz said: “I was staggered by the notion that I might have been completely misled for all those years by our dishonest public health establishment and its subservient media”

    “Staggered” enough to completely abandon the obviously (dangerously) wrong assumption you have made to date, “wipe the slate clean” , and maybe start from the assumption that:

    “Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure”

    ….as Robert LeFevere once quipped?, and take it from there?

    R. Unz said: “By any reasonable standard of success, America’s public health system has completely failed.”

    Another fatally wrong assumption would be to further (naively) assume that the problem is confined to the government run ( ie socialized) ,”health care” system, when the fact of the matter is that any area socialized/ run by government has also completely failed- you just haven’t noticed yet😎.

    Also, to assume that these failures can be subsequently corrected via more laws, more government spending, and by electing the “right” people to run these socialized systems, is no less fatal, and only guarantees ( and magnifies) the furtherance of the problems you are already aware of, and inevitably adds to them.

    This “just” in:

    (To repeat): “Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure” Robert LeFevere

    “Everything government touches turns to crap” Ringo Starr

    “The kind of man who wants the government to adopt and enforce his ideas is always the kind of man whose ideas are idiotic” H.L.Mencken

    “Taking the State wherever found, striking into its history at any point, one sees no way to differentiate the activities of its founders, administrators and beneficiaries from those of a professional-criminal class.” Albert J. Nock
    https://mises.org/library/our-enemy-state-0

    “Regards” onebornfree

    • Thanks: Emslander
    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  56. Speaking of the Sacklers, none of their crimes should come as a surprise. The nexuses between big pharma, mass media, big money, government, the education rackets, and the global mafia are nothing new. From the UNZ archives, 60 years ago.:

    HERE is a curious parallel here with the case of Henry Welch, Ph.D., the U.S. Food and Drug Administration antibiotic division chief who lost his job after being discovered in the private pay of antibiotics promotion journals. Dr. Welch became associated with those journals after a meeting between the original co-owner of them and Dr. Arthur Sackler, a psychiatrist who chairs the board of William Douglas Mc – Adams, Inc., the biggest drug advertising agency in America (see SR/ 3 March 1962). And the recent incitement of medical opposition to Congressional restriction on unlimited freedom in doctors’ use of human guinea pigs has centered in a series of reports in Medical Tribune, a paramedical newspaper that was founded by Dr. Arthur Sackler among others and has been serviced editorially by an oganization owned by Dr. Arthur Sackler.

    Human Guinea Pigs and the Law
    by John Lear
    The Saturday Review, October 6, 1962, p. 55

    Human Guinea Pigs and the Law, by John Lear, THE SATURDAY REVIEW – The Unz Review https://www.unz.com/print/SaturdayRev-1962oct06-00055/

    And here’s another fact, among the endless pile of them that should be remembered,

    An interesting side-note to these deceptions, is that some years ago, the NutraSweet company had bought and paid for an expensive special wing at the Chapel Hill teaching hospital. Later, an aspartame study was performed at Chapel Hill, through Monsanto’s NutraSweet Company, and they found no problems with the toxic sweetener. Gee, isn’t that surprising?!

    MY HOSPITAL EXPERIENCE…
    …AND THE MISTAKES WE MAKE!
    By Arthur M. Evangelista, Ph.D., a former FDA Investigator

    Web Site: http://www.qualityassurance.synthasite.com

    http://wnho.net/my_hospital_experience.htm

    • Thanks: annamaria
  57. BuelahMan says:
    @Irish Savant

    It might be because certain facts are generally left out of these posts from Ron.

    Purdue was privately owned by the Sackler family

    Because it is important, the sentence SHOULD read: Purdue was privately owned by the jewish Sackler family

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Irish Savant
  58. @Anon

    Time to shit-can your GP…….. long overdue.

  59. With how the ‘leaders’ of the West all jumped into lock-step on the Covid plan for forced jabs, crushing lock-downs, quickly embracing the Great Reset/Green Revolution, etc., it almost seemed as if they all went to the same secret school that provided the same script they all (must) follow.

    Well, it seems they did, in fact:

    https://www.sott.net/article/462845-Exposed-Klaus-Schwabs-school-for-covid-dictators-plan-for-Great-Reset

    A relatively short, very interesting read, indeed…..

  60. @prison expert

    I think part of this is that Americans are enamored of the idea of not having to change their unhealthy behavior when as an alternative they can just take a drug. I’m guilty of this behavior myself. I love red meat, and when I was told I had to go on statin drugs to reduce my cholesterol I fully embraced them rather than cut out red meat and other high cholesterol foods.

  61. @Bert33

    “ Maybe it’s time to stop expecting the healthscare industry to perform miracles and administer panaceas when the correct answer is to eat better, sleep better, disconnect from the idiot box and social media, and live at a more human pace, and not chase that dollar right off a cliff.”

    Very true, though without a true revival of family and community living, the chances for such a paradigm shift are zilch. As long as the bigs are getting bigger, corporate America will lead the masses to their ultimate misery by portraying life as a constant quest for hedonistic pursuits, an idea that dominated the modus operandi of some American presidents like FDR and his ilk, whereby the emphasis was on constantly promoting the Imperium and the Emporium. Thus the combination of materialism and aggressive wars of imperialism and the constant erosion of real values within American society and the rise of American society’s number one enemy: loneliness.

    • Agree: DevilAdvocate
  62. Anon[205] • Disclaimer says:

    Mr. Unz, thank you for an excellent article with so many valuable links.

    I hope you are wrong to mistrust the health overlords. However, here is a danish study about Ómicron. You will notice one of the authors is Danemark’s Chief epidemiologist, Tyra Grove Krause. If I read this correctly, it says the vaccines have caused antibody-facilitated infections. (The ADE storyline of the anti-vaxxers, though thankfully less severe in the latest variant).

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.27.21268278v1

    Will we ever know how many cases of more severe Delta were facilitated by faulty vaccines? Are the many infections that happened within ten days of vaccination the reason one was counted as “fully vaccinated” until 14 days after the last dose? Will four doses of these vaccines (in one year!) have any medium or long-term impact on the immune system of that cohort of population?

    In minute 7:40 below, you have a graph from well-regarded IHU Marseille, that shows 35% of Ómicron infections occurring within 2-3 weeks of vaccination. This number is probably low, since people were told to regard fever and body aches following vaccination as normal. Raoult mentions a New England Journal paper which provides similar numbers to their own, but I have not been able to locate it.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  63. @Hapalong Cassidy

    Red meat is NOT the culprit for high cholesterol, neither other foods rich in cholesterol (eggs, cheese, shellfish, etc).
    The real culprit is an unbalanced body system, caused by a myriad of other causes, which starts then to not assimilate and metabolize cholesterol properly.
    Read Jack Kruze.

  64. There is an obvious war on white people.

    And an invisible enemy behind the attacks.

  65. R2b says:

    What a pleasing article. Thank you Mr Unz!
    Focus on Aids as unrelated to Hiv, will no doubt show the weakness in many parts of virolgy.
    Köhnlein/ Engelbrecht whom I cited here and read in the beginning of the Scamdemic/Plandemic, is also an important source for JFK’s Fauci-book, and covers just that Aids-topic related here.
    No doubt might this be the lever that turn the tables in the corona/covid1984 scam.

  66. Anon[205] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon62

    @ It only took roughly two years, and I don’t know how many thousands of words contributed by concerned UR readers, for you to finally acknolwedge the ..”

    I think Unz is an extremely, extremely savvy fellow. And patient.

    • Agree: Nancy
    • Replies: @Anon62
  67. Emslander says:

    Kennedy’s central theme was the total corruption of the American public health system at the hands of profit-hungry corporations, which had effectively subverted the regulatory process to ensure that lucrative drugs—sometimes even dangerous ones—were mass-marketed to our unprotected citizenry like any other consumer product. The forgotten Vioxx Scandal seemed a perfect example of this, so I included a brief mention of my 2012 findings in the review, and was quite gratified a couple of weeks later when Kennedy resurrected the Vioxx story during his lengthy interview with Jimmy Dore.

    Thank you, Mr. Unz. Your progressively better informed reporting on these matters, as well as the educated commentary on your website have effectively distilled the evidence into an emerging set of conclusions. They will probably be reflected at some point into a similar consensus in the thinking of the general public.

    Our public health authorities have, across all political leanings, engineered the massive disaster that the SARS2CV19 operation has become. The autopsy of a dead USA will be significantly influenced by the waste of its vaunted health care enterprise.

    There aren’t going to be too many heroes to this saga, but the few will be most readily identified by the number of public outlets that have cancelled them.

    • Agree: Thor Walhovd
  68. annamaria says:
    @BuelahMan

    This is a traditional Jewish business. See massive opium trade by the Sassoons family in China. The results of the trade (supported by British bayonets) can qualify as genocide. https://newsroom24x7.com/2022/01/02/india-should-resurrect-heroes-of-the-opium-war/

    The Jewish Encyclopaedia of 1905, states that Sassoon expanded his opium trade into China and Japan. He placed his eight sons in charge of the various major opium exchanges in China. … It is estimated that during 1830 – 1831 Sassoon traded nearly 18,956 chests of opium earning millions of dollars. Part of the profits went to Queen Victoria and the British government. In the year 1836 the trade increased to over 30,000 chests and drug addiction in coastal cities of China became endemic and uncontrollable.

    In 1839, the Manchu Emperor ordered that the Opium trade be halted. He ordered the Commissioner of Canton, Lin Tse-hsu, to lead a campaign against opium. Lin seized 2,000 chests of Sassoon’s Opium and threw it into the river. An outraged David Sassoon demanded that Great Britain retaliate militarily. Thus, the Opium Wars began with the British Army fighting as mercenaries of the Sassoon’s! …

    The war culminated in 1842 with the signing of “The Treaty of Nanking”. This included special clauses inserted to guarantee the Sassoons the right to trade Opium in China absolutely unhindered. Britain launched the Opium Wars to give the Sassoons exclusive rights to drug an entire nation! David Sassoon and his sons came to be known as “The Rothschilds of The Far East” for their complete monopoly over the opium trade.

    The whole story reminds of the current activities of the Friends of Israel in the UK.
    Sassoons were mass murderers. They are still hailed by the Jewish community at large as the greatest Jewish philanthropists, which brings to mind the glorification of a rapist and murderer Leo Frank by the Anti-Defamation League. The same ADL that supports neo-nazism in Ukraine.

    • Agree: BuelahMan
  69. @Dieter Kief

    Uh – it’s almost as if Steve Sailer had been onto something here by pointing these facts out for – years now, ins’t it?

    Indeed. Shouldn’t you have asked iSteve if you could use his “It’s almost if …” bit? ;-}

    (I hadn’t seen your comment when I wrote mine, of course.)

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  70. geokat62 says:
    @cranc

    This is such a strange sentence :

    Given such a dismal recent public health track-record, now capped by the Covid disaster, I have become much more sympathetic to the sometimes almost paranoid suspicions of so many of America’s agitated anti-vaxxers.

    I made the same observation.

    However, the sentence is even stranger as it soon followed this one:

    The corrupt machinations of Purdue Pharmaceutical destroyed millions of American families with opioids while producing a multi-billion-dollar fortune for the Sackler family, but our national media and health establishments ignored the disaster for more than a dozen years.

    It seems Ron is struggling of late to connect the dots.

    In the immortal words of John Lennon, “most peculiar, mamma!”

    • Agree: Emslander
    • Replies: @cranc
  71. Thankyou Ron Unz for another great update!!!

    Regarding the current ‘health care hoax’… (see image below… for Sweden… but similar for all countries)… the all-cause excess death numbers attributed to Covid in 2020-21 (e.g. 500K Americans in 2020) were well within the ‘normal’ year-to-year fluctuations cause by a ‘bad flu season’ (e.g. up 15% in 2020). This FACT alone proves that the ‘pandemic’ was a ‘health’/security industry crime.

    Here I posted video links to Ivor Cummins’ data analysis videos… which PROVE that Covid was NOT a ‘health crisis’…

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-conspiracy-theorists-were-right-it-is-a-poison-death-shot/?showcomments#comment-4907735

  72. Malla says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Is red meat really that unhealthy? I think excessive consumption of carbs (white flour) and hydrogenated oils/fats are far more harmful. Excessive consumption of sugar and even worse, fructose corn syrup products or aspertine are far more harmful than organic red meat has ever been.

    • Agree: Marcion, Nancy
  73. Anonymous[956] • Disclaimer says:

    Great article. As a European, I was only vaguely aware of the US Opioid Crisis and completely unaware of its scale. Once again, the relevant “authorities” have failed to see what they’re supposedly paid to see. This is not surprising, though. I’m still waiting for someone to announce the low-T pandemic among (mostly Western) men. Losing more than half of their sperm counts and testosterone in the past 50 years is a big deal, no?

    I also strongly suspect that the profit motive was only a secondary, nice-to-have consideration for the (((Sacklers))).

  74. @prison expert

    When the overdose deaths are of working and parenting aged people it matters. Obviously there is the financial impact, but there is the bigger emotional impacting aging parents and any kids. As for the US medicating itself into oblivion, this was always implicit in the Rockefeller plans for their allopathy healthcare system. Not sure why we obliged except for TV programming , its advertising, and the subsequent mass formation psychosis. Never heard of it before the Malone interview, but now that I have it is everywhere. I tend to think the psychosis is an easily manipulated result due to decline of the family and its emotional support system. That brings us back to why a hundred thousand drug overdose deaths matter. It feeds the Rockefeller (and now) Gates wealth derived from legal l drugs quite nicely. So in the end we are all doped up worker zombified human bees, except that isn’t working out as plan. Hence immigration, which is a whole other issue.

  75. @Bert33

    Ron —

    American Pravda: Our Public Health Problems

    Public health is different from Government health.

    I suggest that the Problem area is Government health.

    thanks for informative essay.

    ___
    re bert23:

    “Maybe it’s time to . . . live at a more human pace”

    “Eric Newhill” comments frequently on Pat Lang’s blog.
    Newhill is an insurance executive with long experience and expertise in the medical-insurance area.
    He wrote this recently:

    I have a spiritual outlook on what life really is; what’s really happening. We are not meat robots. Man does not live by bread alone. We are souls connected to other souls and energies on many dimensional levels. When there is a massed, continuous crossfire of bad mojo aimed [at] people, the soul/psyche suffers and that suffering is manifested in the physical expression, the body. Then the body breaks at its weakest point. 
The speed and ferocity of the ubiquitous hate media that everyone is wired to 24/7 is unprecedented.
    https://turcopolier.com/cdc-just-published-a-paper-that-admits-that-vaers-is-underreported-by-at-least-6-5x/#comment-194180

  76. @Anon62

    Well said, Anon 63. Ron Unz has done a smashing job in just 5,500 words. Kudos.

    This is the authoritative and long overdue essay that politely broaches the ultimate political question: Is our smoothly orchestrated Covid-19 coercion program of experimental mass vaccination the latest and greatest installment in a half-century of serial public health atrocities with increasingly deadly consequences?

    Unz has grasped that this question couldn’t even be posed without first spotlighting the cautionary historic procession of Covid-19’s most notorious forerunners –Vioxx, AIDS/HIV, OxyCondone, etc., all featuring lucrative new drugs eagerly yearning for some scary new scourge to be invented.

    As a random collection of mere symptoms conflated into a single “novel” virus with the help of a supposed “gold standard” PCR test well known to be non-diagnostic, Covid-19 perfectly fits that squalid pattern, now enshrined as scientific doctrine by our captured public health bureaucracy.

    A healthy political system would offer the means to put a stop to this scam. But that can’t even be discussed in the oligarchic Western world where corporate money rules and the public’s mainstream media slavishly follow the script.

    So, the next question for RFK jr., Ron Unz and those who have noticed the problem: What can we do about it, short of insurrection?

    • Replies: @skrik
  77. “After the successful eradication of polio in the 1950s, America’s enormous existing infrastructure of infectious disease professionals lost most of the reason for its existence…”

    That “successful eradication of polio” may have done more harm than good. Leaving aside the question of whether polio-related paralysis is multifactorial, it seems that polio vaccines were contaminated with carcinogenic monkey viruses which caused the rise in cancer rates since 1955. Establishmentarian take: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/02/the-virus-and-the-vaccine/377999/ Conspiracy take: https://www.amazon.com/Dr-Marys-Monkey-Cancer-Causing-Assassination/dp/0977795306 (Haslam’s book offers the most outrageous-sounding conspiracy theory I’ve ever encountered that turned out to be probably true—it might make a good American Pravda piece!)

    • Replies: @Fart Blossom
  78. Emslander says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Why do Americans have so much trouble sleeping?

    Well, doctor, in addition to the problems you point out, there is the overindulgence in caffeine.

    A long time ago, when I was doing all sorts of irrational things as the result of my being a young male human in a capital city run over with young desperate female humans, a medical student told me that I ought to cut down on caffeine. I was taken aback. I thought I needed to cut back on my associations. He said that caffeine could cause all sorts of irrational mental disorders as a result of its interference with natural sleep patterns.

    I have never forgotten his advice. I still imbibe in caffeine but control my intake as scrupulously as I would a pain prescription. I see the rest of America going in the opposite direction.

  79. @BuelahMan

    In fairness I think everyone knows that. And the way they used the Tribal ecosystem to get away with their misdeeds was something to behold.

    • Agree: profnasty
  80. Maddaugh says:

    Our public health crisis is due to the following:

    >Eating junk foods and soda pop drinks
    >Excessive coffee drinking
    >Too much meat eating (these are loaded with chemicals and disease)
    >Over eating
    >Not loading up on fruits and vegetables
    >No exercise
    >Not enough water, sunshine, bed rest
    >Use of recreational drugs
    >Heavy smoking and drinking
    >Not enough fresh air
    >Heavy use of non-prescription drugs for every ache and pain
    >Believing in and acting on the SM and MSM propaganda 24/7

    This leads to disease and in turn to the Doctor who prescribes more drugs, then a return visit to “fine tune your medication”, then a visit to the Surgeon who reduces/ removes all the body parts you can give up without dying. In the meantime the “health”professionals bleed off all the \$\$ they can in batteries of tests which only stop when your insurance company’s limits are reached and you yourself can no longer afford it.

    The food industry does not care about your health, the drug industry wants you sick but not dead and the Doctor will prescribe a glass of anti-freeze a day if he can make a buck.

    The only person who cares about your health and can do something about it is YOU. The fact is no one really cares about you, they won;t even be sad when a person crops off and they lose the income because there will be another sucker to fill in the profit shortfall.

    • Agree: PDXLibertarian
    • Replies: @Emslander
    , @Franz
  81. Despite Kennedy’s efforts, my own position on Covid vaccinations or other related public health measures still remains very conventional, not too different from what might be found in the pages of the Times or the Economist.

    And why wouldn’t it be? Unlike the filthy swine at Purdue, Merck and other drug companies, the top executives and shareholders at Pfizer are completely honest and moral people who aren’t at all motivated by greed and have only the best interests of humanity at heart.

  82. @Anon

    Didn’t you mean to say,

    Are the many infections that happened within ten days of vaccination the reason one was not counted as “fully vaccinated” until 14 days after the last dose?

  83. @Malla

    An apple a day keeps Doctor Mengele and Doctor Fauci away!

    • Replies: @Marcion
  84. Mevashir says:

    This is a fabulous article full of important links. Thank you for opening this information up to the wider public. About this quote:

    Despite Kennedy’s efforts, my own position on Covid vaccinations or other related public health measures still remains very conventional, not too different from what might be found in the pages of the Times or the Economist. But as I have previously emphasized, although my views haven’t changed, my confidence in those views has been severely shaken.

    I think only a gifted psychoanalyst or perhaps a spiritual counselor can explain why someone would maintain views in which he admits to have little confidence. It almost sounds like a Rodney Dangerfield joke: I went to my psychiatrist and told him I’m feeling suicidal. He said: From now on you have to pay in advance.

  85. @RockaBoatus

    Alcoholics have a suicide rate 10x higher than non alcoholics. Other drugs may kill you faster, but few can rival alcohol’s ability to destroy one’s life.

    Only aboriginal people have more alcohol related problems than Whites. As a race, we should recognize that alcohol is bad news for many people of European backgrounds and should generally be avoided completely.

    • Agree: Mevashir, Kali
    • Replies: @Francis Miville
  86. Emslander says:
    @Maddaugh

    The only person who cares about your health and can do something about it is YOU.

    I’ve stopped doing an annual check-up and, as a result, stopped taking the usual cholesterol and blood pressure medicines. I’ve never felt better. I’ve lost weight and increased exercise outdoors.

    I wonder whether any studies have been done on the general health of those who go for their annual as opposed to those who don’t.

  87. Anon[175] • Disclaimer says:
    @RockaBoatus

    The common denominator is always single moms / female influence.

    The “feminization” of society is the root cause of all of these problems.

    From women comes nothing but entropy and death.

  88. Lysias says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    The war against cholesterol is part of Big Medicine’s scam, just as statins are part of Big Pharma’s scam.

  89. Ron Unz says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Steve Sailer, here on your own blog, Mr. Unz, has been writing about the opioid crises for a number of years now. Just because you picked up a book on it, doesn’t mean it’s something nobody ever thought about before.

    Sure, that’s correct, but Steve first discovered the opioid crisis exactly the same way I did, by reading that big 2015 story in the New York Times about the shocking Case/Deaton paper. If you just do a search on his archives, this is the first post that comes up:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/whitelivesdontmatter/

    I’ve somewhat followed the issue since then and read the very long Giles Corey article when we republished it a couple of years ago along with the important Case/Deaton book, though I only read the Quinones and Macy books very recently.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  90. Mevashir says:

    My father is a leading biomedical researcher who strongly supports the official US covid policies. We had an interesting phone conversation last night which went well until he launched into a tirade against anti-vaxxers who are “destroying America.” He claimed that Covid would kill indiscriminately 95% of our population if left untreated by vaccines. And then he stated that Americans would have to learn to accept boosters in perpetuity as Covid constantly mutates against current treatment modalities. He called Americans ignorant science despisers. I sent him the following in an email:

    [MORE]

    Dear Dad,

    …. I admire your passion and concern about the problems facing our society. I do not mean to trivialize them or to denigrate your expertise. I have read articles online by respected virologists and microbiologists who completely repudiate the policies of Fauci and the CDC. As eminent a scientist as Fauci may be, and many experts question his reputation, the fact is he has assumed powers over society of a dictator. He is not an elected official and he no longer is trusted by the public whose lives he has upended and overturned.

    These are links to the life insurance company executive who explains that death rates have increased among his policyholders by 40% since the rollout of vaccines in 2021:

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/nuclear-truth-bomb-explodes-illuminate-war-humanity/5766485

    https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64/article_71473b12-6b1e-11ec-8641-5b2c06725e2c.html
    https://medicalkidnap.com/2022/01/03/crisis-in-america-deaths-up-40-among-those-aged-18-64-based-on-life-insurance-claims-for-2021-after-covid-19-vaccine-roll-outs/

    Crisis in America: Deaths Up 40% Among Those Aged 18-64 Based on Life Insurance Claims for 2021 After COVID-19 Vaccine Roll Outs.

    The average American sees that the pharmaceutical industry has reaped enormous profits, that their CEOs are rolling in money, while their lives have been upended with job losses home forfeitures deaths and suicides. Mental Health cases have skyrocketed due to enforced quarantines and isolation. Society has forced the closure of churches and houses of worship while it permits wild and unrestrained mass demonstrations in the streets by aggrieved racial minority groups.

    What seems clear to the average American is that the elites are imposing unbearable costs on the rest of us while they maintain their affluent comfortable luxuriant lifestyles. Let the elites who are so concerned about the health of the public and the welfare of the planet’s climate move into log cabins and downsize and simplify their lives and lead by example rather than try to dictate from their luxurious castles looking down on everybody else. I’m sorry but the elites simply are not providing an example of leadership of being willing to suffer for a greater cause. Rather they are imposing suffering on the rest of us by diktat. And the result is a massive loss of respect by the public for these elites.

    I remind you that at least nominally agencies like CDC FDA and people like Fauci are all taxpayer supported. You can denounce despise and speak contemptuously about the American public, but you have no a priori right to their tax money to support your research and your way of life, especially since you have failed in the art of persuasion to demonstrate that you know what you’re doing and that the rest of us should trust you.

    You sound a bit like the Communist overseers of the old Soviet Union who forced massive social upheavals down the throats of the Russian public and inflicted incredible losses death and destruction on them. But unlike the Russians, the American public are heavily armed and will not hesitate to employ weapons in self-defense against overreaching governmental bureaucrats. It doesn’t matter how well-intentioned and idealistic you are. If you fail to persuade the public to trust you and that you know what you’re doing, the public will not comply. At the worst there will be an overt civil war.

    If that tragedy comes to pass you have only yourselves to blame. You have assumed an attitude of contempt to the public. You don’t recognize the terrible sacrifices that the draconian covid restrictions have imposed upon the American public and you don’t want to admit that the public is tired of these restrictions and no longer willing to comply.

    The American public will never agree to incessant perpetual covid booster shots that will enrich the pharmaceutical industry to unimaginable degrees. We see that your covid policies have utterly and completely failed. We know that the countries that are the most heavily vaccinated in the world are the ones with the greatest caseload of covid today. We believe that the vaccines are driving the mutations. We also believe that the vaccines are weakening the innate human immune system. We know that left untreated covid would kill only the extreme elderly with dangerous comorbidities. That is sad, but it’s better that that cohort should die than all of society should be ruined by a misguided and fallacious public Health policy that only worsens the disease and enriches the pharmaceutical executives who roll out these useless vaccines.

    You might resent my words, Dad, but this is how the American public views the present situation. I would suggest that if you are so terribly unhappy with the ignorant masses of Americans, you should move to Israel. That country is 97% vaccinated and it is already up to its fourth or fifth booster shot as covid explodes and overwhelms the Israeli hospital system. You can go there and find a society completely compliant with public health policies that are failing across the board. You can make your last stand with all the Jewish people in Israel who face a Medical Masada.

    Or you can humble yourself, read and learn from other expert voices who reject the policies of Fauci and the CDC, respect the concerns of the average American, and demonstrate some compassion for their suffering. And then you’re welcome to stay here and make a meaningful contribution to our society.

    I hope and pray you will make the right choice.

    This morning I thought more about his near-hysteria regarding this disease. It reminds me of the Jewish obsession with ritual purity laws. I wonder if the Jewish dominated Biosciences, Pharmaceutical companies, and Regulatory Agencies are projecting a classical Jewish contempt for Gentiles as unclean into their Covid policies. It’s easy to hear in their voices a contempt for our ignorance and our essential identities as unclean vile creatures who must comply with incessant medical technological meddling or be exterminated, exactly as Jews classically view Gentile cultures.

    • Thanks: Bro43rd, Adam Smith, Nancy
    • Replies: @Lysias
    , @geokat62
    , @Publius 2
  91. cranc says:
    @geokat62

    It seems Ron is struggling of late to connect the dots.

    I can’t explain that, but a lot of people are not connecting dots. Maybe his recourse to publications like the Economist and The New York Times has something to do with it (!).
    It increasingly seems to me that there is rather one very large ‘dot’ which encompasses all the others.
    Whoever owns Vanguard, owns the other asset holding companies, and they in turn own Big Media and Big Pharma (and everything else of course). The world is shaped by perception – which is itself shaped by those who send the biggest signals into the information stream, is it any more complex than that ?

    https://inproportion2.talkigy.com/covid_money_2022-01.html

  92. Ron Unz says:
    @Zachary Smith

    I started this long (>29,000 words) expecting it to be about the first photograph and the initial Header – Opioids as the White Death…The next gear shift was quite unexpected. AIDS and the Duesberg Hypothesis…Never mind that it simply doesn’t belong here. It’s my opinion this topic veers into “Tooth Fairy” land, but even if I’m wrong about that, this would be “Scientific Fraud” instead of an “American Health Problem.” If my WP word counter can be trusted, this third part of the piece was the longest at 17,000 words.

    The entire article is only 5,500 words as you can see in the heading, and the rest of your analysis is just as incorrect. If Duesberg is even partially correct, the HIV/AIDS scandal is of monumental proportions, and if the media and medical establishments covered it up for 35 years, the popular reaction should be absolutely gigantic.

    • Agree: Bro43rd, Adam Smith
  93. Rich says:
    @RoatanBill

    Dr David Graham, in testimony before the US Senate, estimated that between 88,000 and 139,000 people suffered heart attacks from Vioxx, with between 27,00 and 55,000 preventable deaths. Not really insignificant, but with the complicity of the controlled media, and the insouciance of most people, easily covered up. Because so many were coerced and propagandized into taking the mRNA shot, they’ll have a harder time keeping it quiet and covering it up, if the skeptics are right about the coming storm of side effects and deaths that may come from this experiment.

    • Agree: RoatanBill
  94. Mevashir says:
    @Emslander

    I have read that whenever there are widespread hospital strikes and closures, the death rate drops across the nation!

    • Agree: Marcion
  95. Bro43rd says:
    @RoatanBill

    While I mostly agree with your comment, you totally disregard some facts about the article. And some side effects of the drug war. First, a good portion of those dying from drug overdose are productive citizens seeking legitimate pain relief. Due to our 5th column being totally captured by gov/bigbusiness a lot of people are unaware of prescription medicines eminent danger. Secondly due to the drug war it has become increasingly difficult to obtain pharmaceutical pain relief via prescription leading to a preponderance of illegally produced pain meds (mostly fentenyl). As another commenter stated these are being produced by the black market that look exactly like the pharma versions. Yes the users should be aware of this by now but it isn’t like “the sky is blue” common knowledge yet. So even experienced users are falling victim to fentenyl. I personally have experienced this & so aren’t as ready to write off these deaths as just the stupid is as stupid does. I’d compare them to the innocents caught in the crossfire of a driveby, wrong place wrong time.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  96. Ron Unz says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    This is an excellent article, except for the part about Duesberg’s theory of AIDS, which Ron Unz seems to be obsessed about. But the main part of the article raises interesting questions about the role of medicine in America.

    I very strongly disagree. As I’ve repeatedly emphasized, the evidence presented in the 200 pages of Kennedy’s book dealing with HIV/AIDS seems vastly stronger than the rest of the material, hardly surprising since it draws upon 35 years of accumulated research. Moreover, it’s backed by FOUR science Nobel Laureates and numerous other top academic figures.

    Based upon all the material I’ve now read and reviewed, I think there’s a pretty good chance that Duesberg is at least substantially correct, and if so, the media and medical establishments have spent 35 years covering up one of the biggest scientific frauds of the last 100 years, possibly larger than the notorious Lysenko scandal under Stalin.

    If all of this finally comes out and is generally accepted, both ordinary people and our educated elites would be so shocked that they would suddenly become much more willing to consider for the first time lots of the other complaints that you and other commenters have on various other medical issues. Otherwise, the establishment will just keep on denouncing you, social media will censor you, the electronic media will ignore you, and you’ll remain an angry and agitated 20% of the population will no power or influence.

    • Agree: Mark Hunter
    • Replies: @Anon
  97. Lysias says:
    @Mevashir

    If your father really believes that covid untreated will kill 95 percent of people, I don’t think he’s qualified to be a medical researcher.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  98. Ron Unz says:
    @Anonymous

    Thanks Ron for all you do. Your bravery and integrity are inspiring….In your case, I can only imagine (backed by vague recollections) how slanted and slanderous any story about you that I’m likely to find online would be, so I’m curious if you can refer me (us) to any link that describes your life and personality in a way in which you approve.

    Thanks for the very kind words. There’s actually a small section of this website called “Who is Ron Unz?” that provides some of that sort of information:

    https://www.unz.com/masthead/#who-is-ron-unz

    Back a couple of decades ago when I was much more active in politics, there were some major profiles of me and my activities in The New Republic, The New York Times, The Economist, and various other publications, and some of them are linked there.

  99. Lysias says:
    @cranc

    Anyone at this point who has not lost faith in the “trusted” media has not been paying attention.

  100. geokat62 says:
    @Mevashir

    These words merit a higher profile:

    It reminds me of the Jewish obsession with ritual purity laws. I wonder if the Jewish dominated Biosciences, Pharmaceutical companies, and Regulatory Agencies are projecting a classical Jewish contempt for Gentiles as unclean into their Covid policies. It’s easy to hear in their voices a contempt for our ignorance and our essential identities as unclean vile creatures who must comply with incessant medical technological meddling or be exterminated, exactly as Jews classically view Gentile cultures.

    • Agree: Mehen, Sepp
    • Thanks: Mevashir
  101. Jett Rucker says: • Website

    Drugs (legal and illegal) and alcohol are (among other things), weapons of slow suicide. Suicide can also be accomplished with a gun. Banning any of these things is not just futile, but destructive in its own right.
    The problem is not the drugs, alcohol, or guns. The problem is the suicides. And the resolution of their cause(s) is a matter far deeper than any government should, or even can go to any good effect.
    If and as it tries, only God can help us. And she’s busy with other things.

  102. cranc says:

    One thing that I have struggled with in all of Ron Unz’s articles that have touched upon these subjects the past two years, has been a fixation upon the American experience. Why has the US, ostensibly, fared so badly ? What about the context of other countries ?
    The subject of Sweden was raised again and again, to no avail. That country has not gone away though, and its sharply contrasting approach to public health in this era shows the lie of what has taken place.

    ‘2021 is shaping up to be the second lowest per capita all cause deaths year in the history of sweden as a nation.
    …2020, the peak covid year, was about the same as noted “years absolutely no one noticed” 2011 and 2012. it was so similar to the period of 2013-18 that it would likely have passed without comment absent the covidian obsession…’

    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/more-perspective-on-sweden-and-the

    • Agree: Dieter Kief, Mr Anatta, Kali
  103. @Mr Anatta

    Ha, ha. Isn’t that the truth.

    Apparently you don’t learn much about the real world ​at Harvard.

    That reminds me of another sham– the higher education sham.

    But maybe that’s not true and Ron’s just a slow learner.

  104. @Achmed E. Newman

    Shouldn’t you have asked iSteve if you could use his “It’s almost if …” bit? ;-}

    Heheh! – No, I wouldn’t have to asked iSteve – because I use such wording since puberty (=a while back, heheh) – – – we had a thing going with such facons de parler when we were kids and – believe it or not, we once created a rubber-stamp, with one of our favorites which read: Good Morning CIA! – Done by my dear friend Michael Jourdan from Schwetzingen, who later became an emergency nurse (part time) and an artist (mostly sculpture/ part time) and jazz msusician (piano, guitar, saxes – full time). His friend was an art historian and singer, with very pale skin and blond hair, called – – Janis… – the rubber stamp we pressed freely on books at school and our hands etc. pp. – lots of fun!

    Coda

    _ Michael died with 24 from a heart attack – turned out after the fact, that he had sufferd from a condition, which could have been cured quite easily – – – – at the very clinic he’d been working! – As we used to say then: Isn’t it ironic? (We were cool cats – soft ‘n’ hard nosed too… – those were the days).

    I was just about to make fun about your faggot remark when I decided to head to the woods for the rest of the afternoon – and wwhen I was there, I thought, I should not teat Amdam Smith too badly for his – hoho! – Ron-Unz-joke… – and so I canceld that, – – .-. heheh!

  105. Mevashir says:
    @cranc

    I can’t explain that, but a lot of people are not connecting dots.

    I think it’s pretty clear in what direction Ron is leaning. Let’s assume he is trying to preserve the good reputation of his website and not be unfairly smeared as a kook or crackpot. It’s a very narrow tightrope to walk. We should be praying for him.

    • Agree: Nancy
    • Replies: @geokat62
  106. Mr Anatta says:
    @cranc

    I found that final paragraph in the article very interesting for Mr Unz need for the use of the word ‘America’s’, bearing in mind that everyone gains access to his site via the ‘world wide web’ and thus commenters about covid being a sham can and do come from anywhere.

    I am not saying i don’t agree with the general gist of what you are saying though,as I do.

  107. @Biff

    A well written piece

    You really think so? My honest impression is that Unz is in dire need of some editorial assistance in writing these articles.

    Personally, I’m not anti-vax

    “Anti-vax” is just a bullshit construct, kind of like “conspiracy theorist”. A sensible person is not generally anti-vax or pro-vax. He’s in favor of vaccines or any medical treatment for which the benefits outweight the drawbacks. And if the benefits don’t clearly outweigh the risks, then one should be against it.

    It’s akin to talking about people being “anti-surgery” just generally. One is against unnecessary surgery, sure. This whole thing of “agitated anti-vaxxers” is just a completely dishonest framing of the whole question.

    just anti-mandate. Don’t need it; don’t want it.

    Me neither. 🙂

    And, by the way, I am not generally in favor or against conspiracy theories. Like any sensible person, I’m in favor of the ones that are true and against the ones that are untrue!

    • Agree: Random Anonymous
  108. onebornfree says: • Website
    @RoatanBill

    “Everyone knows that drugs kill and yet people keep taking the chance that this time will be different. These are the stupid in the society and their passing isn’t a loss.”

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Mr Anatta
  109. Mevashir says:
    @Lysias

    It’s rather an indictment of their entire profession as captives to Big Pharma and biotech companies who fund their research and then patent their results, as well as the governmental regulatory agencies in which their colleagues serve via the revolving door. They are trained to instinctively trust authority and obey their commands: https://www.amacad.org/person/david-korn

  110. @Ron Unz

    If there’s be a cool cat knob, I’d press it now.
    (That NYT article escaped me)

  111. @Bro43rd

    The US population is drug crazy. They are forced to purchase insurance and then for the slightest sniffle, they run to the doctor to get a script for some drug to claw back some of that insurance premium money. It’s a great scam that benefits the doctors, Big Pharma, the insurance mafia for rate increases, and it’s in no one’s best interest to reduce costs; a never ending up cycle that is helping bankrupt the country.

    There are very few people that really need pain meds for the rest of their lives. For short term pain relief, people have to realize that there’s a potential cost in psychological addiction that may lead to physical addiction. Those that don’t realize it or choose to ignore common sense are the terminally stupid.

    It’s the weak of mind that want to get high and look forward to getting spaced out on some drug legal or illicit. I never understood why people wanted to get so plastered they couldn’t walk. The bulk of the US population wants to get stoned and will use any excuse to claim it’s some necessity. I call bullshit on the claim they are innocent victims.

    It’s the people that have no will power and little intelligence that get tangled up in the drug scene. Anyone that wants to can manage prescription drugs to not get hooked by using them sparingly and if they get hooked, should seek treatment. That’s not how most people look at the situation. They can get a mind altering substance from a doctor or the local dope pusher (same thing), have insurance pay for it, get high, so what’s not to like?

    Sorry, but the average person is ultimately responsible for his own actions. Those that end up ruining their lives asked for it by blaming the evil doctor for giving them what they wanted and the evil drug supplier, legal or illicit, for providing the product they wanted.

  112. @ Ron Unz

    The entire article is only 5,500 words as you can see in the heading, and the rest of your analysis is just as incorrect. If Duesberg is even partially correct, the HIV/AIDS scandal is of monumental proportions, and if the media and medical establishments covered it up for 35 years, the popular reaction should be absolutely gigantic.

    I stand corrected on the word count – the number I gave was the “character count”.

    Yes, if Duesberg is even partially correct, the scandal would be enormous. It would rank right up there with the coverup by the media and the entire world’s science/technology establishments if all the Apollo landings had been faked.

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-moon-landing-a-giant-hoax-for-mankind/

    Most wealthy nations have HIV research programs which have been operating since very early on.

    Europe: https://ec.europa.eu/info/research-and-innovation/research-area/health-research-and-innovation/hiv-aids_en

    Japan: https://www.amed.go.jp/en/program/list/15/01/026_kadaiichiran_h28.html

    China: http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/doi/10.46234/ccdcw2021.249

    A publicity-seeking crank named Robert F. Kennedy jr. allied with a small handful of HIV/Aids Deniers means every single HIV research program on the planet has it wrong. And of course the massive coverup by all of them continues to this day.

    I doubt it.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  113. geokat62 says:
    @Mevashir

    Let’s assume he is trying to preserve the good reputation of his website and not be unfairly smeared as a kook or crackpot. It’s a very narrow tightrope to walk. We should be praying for him.

    Good reputation?

    As far as Organized Jewry is concerned,
    Ron sealed his reputation as “a kook or crackpot,” after penning these words:

    “But combine them together with the relatively tiny size of worldwide Jewry, around 16 million prior to World War II, and the inescapable conclusion is that in per capita terms Jews were the greatest mass-murderers of the twentieth century, holding that unfortunate distinction by an enormous margin and with no other nationality coming even remotely close. And yet, by the astonishing alchemy of Hollywood, the greatest killers of the last one hundred years have somehow been transmuted into being seen as the greatest victims, a transformation so seemingly implausible that future generations will surely be left gasping in awe.” – Ron Unz

    • Disagree: Mevashir
    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @Johnny Johnny
  114. @Hapalong Cassidy

    You may want to question some of that. The cholesterol scare is likely another scam.

    Cholesterol lowering has no impact
    -Malcolm McKendrick
    5th August 2020

    https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/category/cholesterol-statins/

    Meanwhile,

    Our Public Health Problems

    Have been at issue for some time. The issues, with minor changes to the particulars excepted, appear largely unchanged since at least 1860.

    A medicine [including a “vaccine”]—that is, a noxious agent…should always be presumed to be hurtful. It always is directly hurtful; it may sometimes be indirectly beneficial…and I firmly believe that if the whole materia medica, as now used, could be sunk to the bottom of the sea, it would be all the better for mankind,—and all the worse for the fishes.

    Great as the loss would be if certain active remedies could no longer be obtained, it would leave the medical profession the most essential part of it’s duties, and … it would be the death-blow to charlatanism, which depends for its success almost entirely on drugs, or at least on a nomenclature that suggests them.

    Currents and Counter-Currents in Medical Science (1860)
    by Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

    An Address delivered before the Massachusetts Medical Society, at the Annual Meeting, May 30, 1860.

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Currents_and_Counter-Currents_in_Medical_Science

  115. Let me suggest that Mr. Unz do an in-depth essay on the Fluorine/Fluoride crime: – beginning with the Manhattan Project and moving into the toothpaste and water supplies.

    Hell, who knows how many of us are just half a bubble off-plumb because of that shit.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  116. skrik says:
    @St-Germain

    Q:

    What can we do about it, short of insurrection?

    A: Nothing.

    Newton’s 1st: No change without effective force. But as citizens, we cannot use physical force [the tyrants would easily kill any/all ‘forceful’ agitators]; we must use *passive* resistance, à la Gandhi.

    Just say “*NO!*” [F-IW = Freedom-I Won’t!]

    Harrison said, “What if every living being in the Empire, all the way from Prometheus to Kaldor Four, across eighteen hundred light-years of space, gets an income-tax demand, tears it up and says, ‘I won’t!’? What happens then?”
    “We’d need a second universe for a pen and a third one to provide the guards.”

    PS Thanks for this article, Mr Unz and especially this:

    I have become much more sympathetic to the sometimes almost paranoid suspicions of so many of America’s agitated anti-vaxxers

    Me: The true problem is not “anti-vaxxers” so much as anti-tyranny.

    PPS Medicine for profit yields profit before health, thanks, but “No, thanks!” to neoliberalism, the scourge of ‘Western/capitalist’ societies. rgds

  117. @Hapalong Cassidy

    read “Strong Medicine” by Dr. Blake F. Donaldson – then enjoy that next Ribeye on me!

  118. Marcion says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    A modern apple is a sugar bomb.
    If you must eat fruit have olives, avocado, squash or a few berries, not hybridized sickening sweet ones.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
  119. Well done again, Mr. Unz. Remarkable work. Thanks for using your gift for processing enormous amounts of information in such a positive and helpful way.

  120. Mevashir says:
    @geokat62

    They may consider him an anti-Semite, but I don’t think they’d call him a crackpot. He’s too careful to document his articles with extensive and credible source material. Ron is a very cautious thinker and comes to his conclusions slowly but tenaciously. This is exactly the kind of approach that his critics cannot easily dismiss.

  121. @GMC

    “ Take out those BioWeapons labs around Russia and watch NWO Nato and their puppet states stand down – fast. Start with the 6 in Kazakhstan.”

    Maybe Russia and Kazakhstan should have kicked the ass of all Western NGO’s a long time ago. Why they have tolerated their sticky and potentially seditious presence for so long is beyond me. Those countries who are in the crosshairs of the West should not make a trade off between gaining scientific knowledge from foreign Western operated labs and the risk involved in letting them carry out dangerous experiments. Never try to outsmart the devil!

    • Agree: GMC
    • Replies: @geokat62
  122. @Kevin Barrett

    Thanks for bringing that up. You would surely be interested in the fact that,

    Every vaccine has been grown in animal tissue, usually of several different species, including monkey,mouse, bird, and cow. Each one of these cross-species events has the potential to transfer a pathogen to humans or to create some new strain that can cause harm. We have fired several billion bullets of biological ammunition at the human species, and it is the height of arrogance to believe we have caused zero damage.

    – Dr. Judy Mikovits and Kent Heckenlively, JD, Plague of Corruption, p 150, (2020). Foreward by Robert F. kennedy,Jr.

    On page 149 the authors state that bovine leukemia virus has been found in human breast cancer tissue and that there is essentially zero testing of animal virus contamination of vaccines and other medical products. On pages 160-1 they quote an Italian study that found “proteobacteria and nematode worms, 10 other viruses…in the Riox Tetra quadrivalent vaccine…”

    The book is another “must read” for vaccine zealots as well as vaccine realists.

    A big “thanks” to the many other realists here who cannot be acknowledged with the “Thanks” button due to arbitray limitations imposed on the privilege.

    • Thanks: Dutch Boy
    • Replies: @Dutch Boy
    , @Badger Down
  123. Ron Unz says:
    @Zachary Smith

    Yes, if Duesberg is even partially correct, the scandal would be enormous. It would rank right up there with the coverup by the media and the entire world’s science/technology establishments if all the Apollo landings had been faked.

    That’s absolutely correct. But keep in mind that America’s media and medical establishment totally dominates and influences that of most of the rest of the world, and that was especially true during the first couple of decades after the collapse of the Soviet Union when the HIV/AIDS controversy was a major issue. I’d guess that 80-90% of all the academic journal articles on the subject were published either in the US or Britain. So when someone like South Africa President Thabo Mbeki starting raising serious doubts about HIV/AIDS, he was massively vilified by the entire Western MSM, and his reputation destroyed. That surely persuaded other prominent leaders to avoid the subject, which was anyway mostly irrelevant to their activities. And foreign researchers surely wanted to publish in leading American journals and get jobs at American universities.

    As for Moon Hoaxery, if you can find me four science Nobel Laureates who have endorsed it, numerous top scientific researchers and academics who have heavily promoted it in their books and academic journal writings, and long articles presenting the theory in Policy Review, Reason, and the New York Review of Books, I’ll be glad to start taking it seriously and investigating the topic.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/aids-and-the-revival-of-the-duesberg-hypothesis/

    • Agree: JimDandy
  124. geokat62 says:
    @Joe Levantine

    Maybe Russia and Kazakhstan should have kicked the ass of all Western NGO’s a long time ago.

    NGOs = Non-Goyim Organisations

  125. geokat62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    But keep in mind that America’s media and medical establishment totally dominates and influences that of most of the rest of the world…

    And the elves totally dominate and influence America’s media and medical establishment.

  126. @Ron Unz

    Besides the thanks for checking that out, I want to add that Steve puts very good graphs up in some of these posts. I know he’s had a few showing the various races/ethnicities for comparison. It looks terrible for White people in America.

  127. @Anon62

    I’d add one more \$\$\$\$ consideration. In the late 1980s there was a successful push to extend the patent on drugs to 25 years. A number of hospital pharmacists told me that prices started to rise immediately after that was done, and a number of “new” drug patents were really only new binding agents for the “active” chemical, meaning that “new” drug was essentially an 25 year extension of the “old” drug.
    Big Pharma – proud to have been poisoning you for more than a 100 years and making obscene profits at the same time!

  128. @Ron Unz

    America’s media and medical establishment totally dominates and influences that of most of the rest of the world, and that was especially true during the first couple of decades after the collapse of the Soviet Union “

    After the CIA/Deep State caused the collapse of the USSR in Dec. 1991, they were on top of the world, and could do almost anything;

    controlling publishing would have been a piece of cake

  129. @geokat62

    What’s wrong with his statement?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  130. @Hapalong Cassidy

    Another few medical lies. Statins don’t actually work and dietary cholesterol has no effect on blood cholesterol. There was a few papers a few years ago that were completed buried.
    Also there is no proof cholesterol causes plaque build-up. They just happen at the same time.
    It’s called getting old.
    Over 40 male? Your testosterone goes down and your cholesterol goes up. What they don’t tell you is testosterone is made from cholesterol. And they’ve known this for decades, but instead of giving you the enzyme that converts cholesterol into testosterone they invented some expensive garbage that doesn’t work.

  131. @ Ron Unz

    As for Moon Hoaxery, if you can find me four science Nobel Laureates who have endorsed it, numerous top scientific researchers and academics who have heavily promoted it in their books and academic journal writings, and long articles presenting the theory in Policy Review, Reason, and the New York Review of Books, I’ll be glad to start taking it seriously and investigating the topic.

    You took the “Moon Hoaxery” seriously enough to publish it on your site.

    How are we to tell when you’re just yanking the chains of your readers?

  132. geokat62 says:
    @Johnny Johnny

    What’s wrong with his statement?

    Not a single word is wrong with his statement.

    But when did that prevent Organised Jewry from condemning, purging, and ostracising someone for being a so-called “anti-Semite” or a “self hating Jew”?

  133. Dutch Boy says:
    @Random Anonymous

    Duesberg has an extensive section in his book on previous medical fiascos to emphasize the fallibility of our supposedly infallible medical authorities.

    • Thanks: Nancy
  134. Dutch Boy says:
    @Fart Blossom

    Mikovits thinks that chronic fatigue syndrome is caused by a murine retrovirus contaminant in vaccines. She wrote a paper based on her research that was deep-sixed after a study done to replicate her research failed to do so. She pointed out that the exclusionary criteria for the followup study eliminated many of the conditions that are commonly associated with CFS. Such manipulations are a common means to invalidate studies that incriminate vaccines (similar tactics were used to dismiss the association between mercury exposure and autism and MMR vaccination and autism).

    • Replies: @Fart Blossom
  135. Geowhizz says:
    @theMann

    Following the money is usually not “simple”. The Purdue/Sackler instance excepted.

  136. Alfred says:

    But as I have previously emphasized, although my views haven’t changed, my confidence in those views has been severely shaken

    Thank you for being prepared to accept new ways of thinking. I apologise for being somewhat rude to you in the past.

    I found out many years ago that pharmaceutical companies, medical researchers and the vast majority of doctors are not interested in the health of people. They have a vested interest in sickness persisting. I was married to a successful lady GP for 18 years and my son is a doctor. I am familiar with their way of thinking.

    The reality is that we are each, together with our parents/guardians, responsible to a large degree for our own health. Many afflictions that some people are born with are a consequence of an unfortunate choice of partner by their parents – inbreeding perhaps.

    People who follow the advice of obese, unhealthy-looking, doctors are fools. I can think of no other way of describing them. You don’t ask someone who is a bad driver to daily take your kid to school. Why should health be treated differently from everything else?

    If you find a healthy-looking, slim, doctor in his 60’s, you should stay with him. That is if such people actually do exist. 🙂

    I strongly recommend the mailing list of Dr Mercola. The fact that he is being heavily censored is the best recommendation. He has been obliged to put his articles, after 2 days, behind a paywall (\$5 per month)

    http://www.mercola.com

    I don’t subscribe myself because his advice is largely common-sense to me. The last time I had a vaccine was over 20 years ago. Probably to be allowed to enter some country.

    • Agree: Maddaugh
  137. Mevashir says:
    @RoatanBill

    Very powerfully stated. I once met a woman who had worked as a makeup artist in Hollywood. She told me she would be invited frequently to the parties thrown by the movie stars in their mansions. She said almost every party had a designated drug room where a long table was laid out as a buffet with every conceivable drug of choice. The cops were well aware of this and did nothing to intervene.

    From that story I surmised that the main reason for drugs being illegal is to prevent crime from the poor part of the population that become addicted but can’t afford to buy these things. Of course it’s a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy, because if the drugs were not illegal they would be cheap enough for those people to afford.

    While I generally agree with your comment, it’s worth recalling what happened to China after the opium wars in the nineteenth century. Supposedly a huge portion of the Chinese population became addicted and it became a true public health crisis. How would you deal with such a problem if it occurred here today?

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  138. Dutch Boy says:
    @obwandiyag

    It is necessary not to confuse science as a methodology (which is sound) and science as an economic enterprise (corrupt). The enterprise of medical science is now dominated by economic and ideological interests that care little for public health and are more interested in profit and advancing the interests of the administrative state. The whole Covid disaster has revealed this process in all its ugliness. This is a tough pill for the science worshipers to swallow and many of them refuse to do so, which has led them to support an experimental vaccination program that is as dangerous as it is useless.

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
  139. Tar says:

    Well Ron , you impress me .
    As a long time “ red pilled “ researcher and voracious reader it was rapidly obvious within weeks of the “ outbreak “ that it was a scam .
    So i tend to disregard the opinions of people like the saker who are determined to remain oblivious , ignorant denialists . Because if they/ he cant see through such a blatent tissue of lies , then what value their other opinions ?
    So to see you actually becoming educated in the situstion and then modifying your opinions based on the knowledge …. your a bigger man than most .

    • Agree: bike-anarkist, profnasty
  140. @RoatanBill

    I’m sure you’ve led a respectable life.

    But aren’t you flattering yourself and others of us who through moral rectitude, good fortune, or some portion of each haven’t become addicts? And aren’t you also giving a pass to those who have preyed upon the weak and unfortunate?

    The addicts have earned more scorn from you, and more pity from Bro43rd. But we should first acknowledge that their predators have earned nothing but contempt.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @Bro43rd
  141. @Dutch Boy

    Thanks. I scanned the book for that but I have the book so marked up with great points that it’s lost in the mess.

    I’m pretty sure she said that all live vaccines use the process of culturing viruses in successive animal tissue cultures to make them less dangerous but another of the many risks is as you state.

    There is much more to all this than the covid silliness and similar things have been done repeatedly over the past century.

    But medical quackery as well as treachery goes back a couple of thousand years and here’s one amusing example.:

    [The Greeks]… are a most iniquitous and intractable race, and you may take my word as the word of a prophet, when I tell you, that whenever that nation shall bestow its literature upon Rome it will mar everything; and that all the sooner, if it sends its physicians among us. They have conspired among themselves to murder all barbarians with their medicine; a profession which they exercise for lucre, in order that they may win our confidence,2 and dispatch us all the more easily… I forbid you to have anything to do with physicians.

    2 On the principle that that which costs money must be worth having.

    The Natural History. Pliny the Elder. Plin. Nat. 29.7

    John Bostock, M.D., F.R.S. H.T. Riley, Esq., B.A. London. Taylor and Francis, Red Lion Court, Fleet Street. 1855.
    https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0137%3Abook%3D29%3Achapter%3D7

    • Agree: Alfred
  142. @Mevashir

    I’d put vending machines in strategic places for people to purchase as much of it as they wanted in the hope that they off themselves so as to reduce the amount of human trash in the society. The amount of welfare moochers that could be gotten rid of would be a real benefit. I’d place advertising mocking them for their stupidity right on the machine. TV and Internet adverts would highlight where the machines are while calling those patronizing the machines the morons they are. Truth in advertising.

    If someone wants to kill himself, I say go for it. If your wife, husband, mother, father, etc can’t convince you you’re going to die, then you’re a lost cause and a write off.

    All the drug laws are a farce, including the laws that give some people a “license” to sell drugs that others may not. It’s nothing but a ridiculous control system that shouldn’t exist. It was tried with liquor and prohibition was a disaster. So, the deep state learned a valuable (for them) lesson and they got into the drug business while making it illegal for their competitors and simultaneously jacking up the price. That scam has been going on at least since Vietnam when Air America was flying dope in from South East Asia.

    Too many people in the US want to get stoned and therefore provide the largest drug demand in the world. It’s their fault for their problem. I don’t give a shit about them.

    • Replies: @Milo Minderbinder
  143. @cranc

    Whoever owns Vanguard, owns the other asset holding companies, and they in turn own Big Media and Big Pharma (and everything else of course).

    We own Vanguard. Their function is to manage our retirement money. It is a pity their only priority in exercising their stockholder votes is that the capital increases since the last time they voted. Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos do not have Vanguard managing their money. We are the only ones goofy enough to do that.

    Have you looked at the numbers on your brokerage account web page lately? Since the last dip in early 2020 it’s been like a George Floyd riot looters’ caper.

    • Replies: @Sepp
  144. @Dieter Kief

    I read that (or scanned, it’s very long) when it came out. My take as a layman was that Alexander’s was an interesting hypothesis about why ivermectin would seem to work in Africa but not work in other places, due to other non-Covid health issues that ivermectin was addressing, but more research would be necessary to confirm it.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  145. @onebornfree

    Another fatally wrong assumption would be to further (naively) assume that the problem is confined to the government run ( ie socialized) ,”health care” system, when the fact of the matter is that any area socialized/ run by government has also completely failed- you just haven’t noticed yet😎.

    You love to forget that ANY system is only as good as the competency of its practitioners.
    “Socialist” medicine has worked rather well in Canada, until maybe mid to late eighties, when the right leaning government of the day began the Canada?U\$A/Mexico “Free” “Trade” “Agreement”.
    Then the corrupt invocations of “efficiency” and “economics” began the decline.

  146. The majority of the American medical doctors have shown themselves to be cowards and immoral , for going along with the scam and psyop and genocide of the covid-19 which is an illusion pushed by the zionists to further their population reduction scheme and bring in a satanic new world order one world government via the MRNA injections which are killing people all over the world.

    Covid-19 is the biggest scam and psyop and genocide operation in the history of the world!

  147. Just say No! to drugs.

    My understanding is that when a patient, diagnosed as suffering from some “condition”, complains to his credentialed doctor that he is experiencing [severe] pain, that the CD must treat the pain, i.e. offer to write a prescription for a painkiller. Otherwise, the patient can sue the CD for medical malpractice.

    Don’t say No! to drugs.

    If the patient subsequently becomes addicted to painkillers, the circumstances will catch the attention of credentialed lawyers. I don’t know whether that makes for a successful malpractice case, but prosecutors will want to know how many pills that doctor regularly prescribes.

    Sometimes say No! to drugs.

    A public school will try to make a boy who is unruly in class (i.e. bored out of his mind) take Ritalin. I recall reading about how when a kid’s parent refused to allow it, she was hauled into court.

    Say Yes! to drugs, when we insist.

    Abolish this insane, War on Drugs.

  148. SteveK9 says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    I absolutely agree about Ivermectin. I’ve commented in a number of places, that probably the clearest proof of the corruption of Medicine is the suppression of Ivermectin (and HCQ before that). Never, not ever, have Doctors been blocked from prescribing an approved medication like Ivermectin, particularly one with an outstanding safety profile (it was OTC in France before Covid). How could it hurt to try, when there was no standard of care? What it would hurt, and completely destroy was the ocean of money flowing into the Pharma coffers. There would be NO EUA if there was a treatment available. The drug was off-patent, so no money to be made.

    It is a staggering indictment of the medical profession that they allowed patients to die, because they were afraid to act against the Pharma propaganda onslaught. There are still people who are not in favor of these ‘vaccines’, who state that you should make your medical decision in consultation with your Doctor. Well, 99% of the time that would have proven to be useless. Personally my marginally low trust of Doctors, has sunk considerably lower.

  149. US public health has been a failure since the 1920s, when ALLOPATHY was forced upon the medical system, replacing HOMEOPATHY, which worked for hundreds if not thouands of years. What wasn’t broken got “fixed” by the Rockefellers and the rest of the criminal psycho elites.

  150. profnasty says:

    It’s one big ball of worms.
    Blue collar jobs sent, in order, to Japan, Korea, China, Mexico. For jobs, re construction, unexportable, Mexicans were imported.
    You dead Whitey.
    So, turn to booze, defile your skin in angst, and the ((Sacklers)) will do the rest. [Oh, don’t forget to bow down to the negroes. They’re your Masters now.]
    Byeeee….

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  151. SafeNow says:

    Aside from evil, there is incompetence. One should have reservations about U.S. medical-care competence. An international ranking of “skill and competence of medical staff” placed the US at number 27. (Japan was number one). A 2016 Hopkins study concluded that 250,000 Americans die annually as a result of medical negligence. (And that is mortality; one must add to that, negligence-caused excess morbidity.)

    One cause of the above malfeasance is an acceptance of “good enough” as the proficiency standard; “get it basically right.” This unraveled standard afflicts, to varying degrees, all services and manufacturing. I can’t imagine where this originated.

    • Replies: @Flying Dutchman
  152. anon[973] • Disclaimer says:

    A critical factor: US chemical weapons development. This here’s not just good shit. It is not even really, really, really, really good shit. These are chemical weapons.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0108250&type=printable

    And who’s cooking it up? Lawrence Livermore Labs, right in your backyard. The nuclear strangeloves. Opioids may be dual-use technology (Russians have used it as an antiterror agent) but beyond a certain point it’s fully weaponized. CIA’s been doing this to you for years, hooking you on heroin from Nam and then from Afghanistan and then they just synthesized it to kill you better. Sackler would not have exterminated america if he wasn’t sure he would get away with it.

    • Replies: @orchardist
  153. ariadna says:

    Those who criticize Ron for this statement:

    “although my views haven’t changed, my confidence in those views has been severely shaken”

    fail to appreciate its elegance of expression. Throw in a litotes for an English touch:

    “although my views have not changed, Mr Snodgrass, I am prepared to admit that the damage suffered by my attachment to them has not been entirely inconsequential.”

  154. @Biff

    Mandatory medical interventions are totally contradictory to the Nuremberg Laws, the Helsinki Declaration of the World Medical Association from 1964 and the UNESCO Declaration on Medical Bio-ethics. But, what the feck! We want everyone injected with experimental gene therapies so feck bio-ethics! The behaviour of the medical Mafias, those Mengeles and Shiro Ishiis, the totally corrupt ‘regulatory’ agencies, the MSM and Western politicians has been Evil in the extreme. And the worst is yet to come. Decades of total Rightwing control in the West has driven all but psychopaths from public life, and this is the fruit of that catastrophe.

    • Agree: Dutch Boy
    • Replies: @Wild Man
  155. profnasty says:
    @Zachary Smith

    Moon Hoaxery is neither here nor there.
    The real hoaxes are on America’s face. Covid, BLM, masked Antifa. None of it real. But probably the biggest Hoax of all? The Declaration of Independence. Did you know 3/4s of it’s signers were hanged, died otherwise as a result, or were bankrupted? And half of the time since we’ve been a client state of England. So hooray for FreeMasonry. One big hoax.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  156. Wild Man says:
    @JimDandy

    On this portion of your comment:

    “If/when the winds shift, he could be the fall guy.”

    In my view, … yes, ….. in coming innings, probably by fall 2022, the winds will shift and the globalist cabal will switch the narrative to …. ‘Project warpspeed was obviously an idiot move by an idiot’. It’s part of their overall plan, imo (and I have been emphatically saying so since very early spring of 2021, but really, I have been insinuating this probable eventuality since about late April/20, when big pharma’s shenanigans first began to be revealed … it was already clear by then that this was gonna be the daft tableaux set-up for us westerners). Squash civic nationalism aka as MAGA, aka as classical liberalism, aka as ‘true-west’, is one of the highest near-term priorities for said cabal. Poor little Anthony Fauci will be crucified during this portion of the unfolding of this pre-planned drama (he is probably going to end up dead, one way or the other, probably taken out by the globalists so as to avoid too much collateral damage for them).

    Now don’t get me wrong, …. I don’t think Trump is actually an idiot, but nevertheless, that is gonna be the shtick that sticks. He is not an idiot because he clearly saw that he couldn’t win the 2020 election without going along with the big pharma lunacy. He was smart enough to read the tea leaves correctly, and see that he could and would win the election, by playing his cards correctly on the big pharma front (by way of initial acquiescence), …. and imo, in the fullness of time, it will be proved that Trump’s instincts were correct, ….. because it looks to me that he in fact did win the 2020 election fairly, but he did not anticipate that, nevertheless, he would not prevail with respect to the truth of those claims. So p0or little Mr. Trump got massively played. He is not there to execute and finesses his next moves on the covid fiasco, which would have been to accentuate and ensure that these warpspeed vaxxes must be offered on a voluntary basis only. He is toast. I guess we will have to see if MAGA becomes toast as well (which is the gloabist cabal’s goal in this vein).

    Trump is far more brilliant, politically, than people tend to give him credit for. But the ongoing decades-long globalist attacks on classical liberalism (aka MAGA) is a much better organized endeavor, than a re-invigoration of classical liberalism has been. As such Trump is toast. If it turns out he can somehow prevail politically, in the late 2022 to 2024 period, ….. then Trump would rise to the level of political super-genius. Sorry … not seeing it (but I would like it if it turns out I am wrong about this, … but let’s face it … Trump though very sharp politically, is not a ‘super-genius’ in that vein). Project Warpspeed was a set-up. Trump got massively played. He thought he was smart enough to finesse and prevail, anyways, and he was wrong about that. I believe that the latter part of 2022 is gonna turn very ugly, in America (and the west in general). Basically, Trump got played by the globalist Jews he allowed to influence him. He thought he could finesse the necessity (under the current geopolitical realities) of cow-towing to these globalists, as led by their strange Jewish ideological leaders. He was wrong.

  157. @KeaponLaffin

    but instead of giving you the enzyme that converts cholesterol into testosterone

    But this enzyme has been isolated and synthesized through a feasible procedure ?

  158. @Zachary Smith

    Why are you so intent on extolling the virtues of self-annihilation and furthering the pandemic of ‘Obedience Disorder”? Also, how can you appear so ignorant?

    What \$\$\$ incentive have you received to be plying the smoothening of the waters that the discerning self-aware and non-compliant commenters that have NO INCENTIVE, other than the upholding their inalienable rights to their health sovereignty?

    You are so self-destructively confident, I would think you are a closet U\$ elite neo-con/lib!

    Or perhaps, Hasbara, but I there are many as brainwashed as you that don’t need the Zio seal of approval.

  159. Fr. John says:

    “Unlike other pharmaceutical giants, Purdue was privately owned by the (((Sackler))) family, who were the central villains in this story.

    The central JEWISH villains. Every. Single. Time.

  160. niceland says:

    Thanks Ron

    When workload permits I have to read up on the AIDS controversy. Never paid much attention to AIDS but in past years I have been wondering – what happened to AIDS, where did it go?

    Meaning, when it was first discovered it was such a horrible sexually transmitted disease that young people -like me- were worried. The next years I saw interviews with AIDS patients, frequently only to read about their deaths months later.

    But then, somehow it faded away. In recent years I have seen warnings from health officials over here regarding STD’s on the rise, mentioning the usual suspects , but never AIDS. It’s as if AIDS has become the common cold – nothing to worry about. The reason – new treatments that work so well!?

    A bit strange situation.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
    , @Mr. Anon
  161. @profnasty

    Blunt honesty IS the best medicine.

  162. Bro43rd says:
    @RoatanBill

    Your broad generalization of users is incorrect. Maybe you’ve been on roatan isle too long. My personal experience is of a person who injured themselves exercising. This person was not a regular drug user. They attempted to get pain relief the legitimate way via Dr & prescription. But due to the drug war, Dr’s are afraid of being labeled a pill factory & aren’t prescribing pain meds as they once were. Desperate for relief so that they could get some sleep & be able to function at their job. So from the black market they obtained what appeared to be legitimate pain medicine but was in fact fentanyl. Died in their sleep that night. Ultimately it was their own fault for trusting the black market. But many of the circumstances were essentially beyond their control. Thus I am not willing to write off these deaths as stupid people who “deserve” what they got. That’s just obtuse.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @Badger Down
  163. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    Latest study at Stanford Medical School found that Omicron may have started from an HIV+ patient. They think the reason it started in South Africa is because there are a lot of people with untreated HIV in SA, their compromised immunity allows the virus to stay in the body longer and mutates. It doesn’t sound like people who get Omicron are going to get HIV, it just means people who are HIV+ and are untreated are at greater risk for generating more mutations. That would explain why new variants keep coming out of SA:
    https://stanforddaily.com/2022/01/09/stanford-covid-19-case-suggests-possible-link-between-omicron-variant-and-hiv/

    Meanwhile, a bit of good news. Two scientists in TX developed a new Covid vaccine, CORBEVAX that is 90% effective, uses tried and true very safe decades old technology, and are giving out their patent for free so the vaccine is now mass produced in poor countries like India. The only way to stem out Covid is we allow poor countries access to the vaccine. Effing Pfizer and Moderna want to make a boat load of money and refuse the share their tech. Now let’s hope this new vaccine kick them to the curb, make them completely irrelevant:
    https://news.yahoo.com/texas-pediatrician-professor-developed-low-004105672.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw&tsrc=twtr

    • LOL: Thim
  164. @Greta Handel

    Where are these predators that you speak of in this case?

    Are they the doctors that prescribed what the patient asked for, because Big Pharma advertised some potion as exactly what they needed and they’re too stupid to figure out that they have a responsibility to judge the information, especially in a sales pitch? Are the predators in Big Pharma that concocted some chemical, got the gov’t to agree it’s efficacious and safe, the same gov’t the dolts voted into office?

    Did the pain med reduce pain – yes or no? If no, then the patient should have been smart enough to stop taking it. If yes, then the med did as advertised. The product is exonerated.

    The claim is that the patients got hooked on the prescription drug. OK. Did they immediately seek help to wean themselves off of it? I’d bet the answer is no in near 100% of cases because they want to get stoned but prefer to place blame on someone else, especially if there’s an ambulance chaser informing them or their survivors of their potential windfall.

    The medical understanding required for a pain med should be within the average person’s ability to comprehend. It’s not like it’s open heart surgery or rocket propulsion that they need to contemplate. There are warning that the average person won’t read. The doctor probably also provides a small lecture on the drug’s proper use and dosage. The manufacturer explicitly warns about the dangers associated with various medications to make sure there’s plenty of information available in its ads. What more should or can the doctor and manufacturer do that wasn’t done?

    I see no predators in this scenario, just willing dopers. The country is chock full of willing dopers. In the case of Purdue, I think they got a raw deal due to political pressure and were told to shut up, take the hit and they can keep the rest of their money because they did nothing wrong. That some jury, made up of voters, convicted only proves that when you restrict the jury pool to only the dumbest people in an area, the prosecution can get any verdict it wants.

    Now I will tell you where real predators are to be found. It’s when they lie about some sewage they quickly threw together, call it a vaccine and get gov’t liability shielding and then the sewage is mandated in one form or another. It’s when the gov’t predators team up with the pharma predators and purposely poison the population in a world wide experiment for an illness that has a survival rate of over 99%. Now that’s a crime.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  165. Bro43rd says:
    @Wild Man

    Why does Trump continue to shill for the vaccines? Rhetorical question, because we’re the dupes & he’s part of the establishment.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  166. Bro43rd says:
    @Greta Handel

    Over my 8 hr limit so “Thanks”

  167. @ profnasty

    You may be right about the word “hoax”.

    STORY ABOUT FOUNDERS FACTUALLY FLOUNDERS
    https://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-xpm-2000-07-12-0007120286-story.html

    and

    https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/860

    Still, with Fine Americans like General Myers, Ann Landers, Oliver North, Pat Buchanan, Jonah ‘doughy pantload’ Goldberg, Paul Harvey, and Rush ‘druggie’ Limpaugh pushing the story, maybe this New Reality ought to be respected. And the so-called “history books” seriously questioned. There just might have been a massive coverup by the media and ‘history establishment’ for the past two hundred forty years.

  168. @RoatanBill

    It’s the people that have no will power and little intelligence that get tangled up in the drug scene.

    Yeah, it’s all their fault. Even the low intelligence. If they’d had the sense to choose better parents and better genes, then they wouldn’t be so fucked up. But people have to live with the consequences of their own bad decisions.

    Anyone that wants to can manage prescription drugs to not get hooked by using them sparingly and if they get hooked, should seek treatment.

    Yeah, it really is that simple. Obviously, it’s easy not to get hooked on drugs and if you do, you should seek treatment. It’s really easy and simple. But these people are too stupid for that. Well, obviously they are. If they were smart, they would have chosen better parents and better genetics and a better socioeconomic environment to be born into.

    Sorry, but the average person is ultimately responsible for his own actions.

    Yeah, absolutely. That’s why it would be downright immoral for the rest of society to try to give them a helping hand. It only encourages irresponsible behavior, after all.

    • LOL: RoatanBill
  169. Wild Man says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    mulga – you have many problems with your reality lens. You being a total goof on climate change is only one of your issues with respect to seeing reality through a warped lens. This is what I mean: On this passage of your comment:

    “The behaviour of the medical Mafias, those Mengeles and Shiro Ishiis, the totally corrupt ‘regulatory’ agencies, the MSM and Western politicians has been Evil in the extreme. And the worst is yet to come. Decades of total Rightwing control in the West has driven all but psychopaths from public life, and this is the fruit of that catastrophe.”

    If you can’t see that what you call “Rightwing control in the West’, has, since the 1970’s slowly morphed into a ‘leftwing control in the west’ …. well, there is no help for you then. Unless you don’t actually live in the west (which might excuse your ignorance in this vein). Where do you live?

    Alternatively, you may have been hoodwinked by the entire western political science machine (like so so many others), that since the end of world war 2, have butchered the left/center/right political/economic spectrum definitions so as to render said model nonsense and rubbish. ‘Left’ is actually supposed to mean more collective control (both within the political bailiwick, and within the economic bailiwick). ‘Right’ is supposed to mean more individual liberties (both within the political bailiwick, and within the economic bailiwick). Please use these terms correctly. If you don’t, you reduce yourself to akin to a ‘globalist pawn’.

    • Agree: Emslander
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  170. @Random Anonymous

    Alexander’s was an interesting hypothesis about why ivermectin would seem to work in Africa but not work in other places

    Right.Plus: Scott Alexander wrote that Dr. Pierre Kory can’t be taken serious as a scientist – let alone an Ivermectine-scientist.

    A complete take-down of that man – as a scientist, saying something worthtwhile about Ivermectin, that’s what Scott Alexander preformed on this man. Bitter.

    Chapter II –

    Sweet Dr. Kory – (an inverse story of Dr. Jeykill and Mr. Hide, in a way, – the uplifting version of The One and Only Real Dr.-Pierre-Kory-Story!)

    It goes like this: I don’t think, that Dr. Kory lied when giving his positive Ivermectin- testamony before the Senate.

    Or when he gives talks – or when he actually treated patients.

    It might well be that he did have more success than other docs! – One good reason to think so: He did put his patients on ventilators**** very late, if at all and. These are two things that – as we know now – are both very beneficial. Plus: He is a nice caring man, which is very good to have around, when you are ill.

    **** a iatrogenic cause of many deaths in the beginnign of the pandemic, when lots of people died in intensive care – on ventilators.

    It took hundreds, if not thousands, horribile dictu – ventilator deaths, before the medical community realised, that there was something very wrong (=big scale deadly) going on here.

    This is a kind of fairy tale version of the naive man being brighter than the bright men – some sort of tricky version of the Grimm Brother’s Brave Little Taylorman fairy tale… if that sounds somehow plausible?! Dr. Kory was the one, who belived in the wrong thing (Ivermectin) and – because his believe system was so strong, he in the end turned out stronger than the supposedly super-strong ones (the medical establishment) – whom he indeed might have – overtrumped…(because they duped themselves, whereas he did dupe just himself – but not his patients…whom he unintentionally but pure-heartedly did indeed save from the deadly machines of the super-docs).- This would be a movie plot for – a director who would have to have a lot of experience with a GRimm-brothers plot – et voilá – there is one who could handle the enourmous amounts of blood an suffering that comes up with this story: Quentin Tarratino of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood-fame – he could be the right man – if not: Lars von Trier might give it try! With Björk as Dr. Petra Kory. – Perfect!

    (I’d be ok with a honorable mention – and 100k or so inspirational bucks…in Bitcoin to a PC address on a remote mountaintop in Lichtenstein, heheh).

    • Replies: @Random Anonymous
  171. Wild Man says:
    @Bro43rd

    “Why does Trump continue to shill for the vaccines? ”

    Because the globalists have boxed him in on this topic (which will ultimately be his downfall). What else can he do now that he came out very bad on the losing end of his political confrontation with the globalists? Did he, or didn’t he confront the globalists, with his MAGA political message, which is antithetical to the globalist agenda? In my view, the Trump MAGA message was a big confrontation of the ongoing globalist agenda. Do you agree? If so, how to you square that with your contention that Trump himself is a member of this globalist cabal, simply doing his part as said member?

  172. @Zachary Smith

    I think I could probably find four Nobel laureates in science, or even perhaps in medicine and physiology who would express the opposite opinion regarding the relationship between HIV and AIDS.

    I don’t know why Ron is so fixated on these four Nobel laureates.

    These scientists were given a prize, and deservedly so as far as I know, for scientific achievements, and therefore they suddenly become sources of valid knowledge for other things that they may not have not researched?

    I don’t quite understand that.

    It is a bit like the idea that Fauci and Duesberg ought to get up together and debate the matter on the Tucker Carlson show!

    It might sell some advertising time for Viagra, but it betrays a lack of understanding of how medical science evolves.

    • LOL: Emslander
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Zachary Smith
  173. The Opioid story is more complex. They make for good antidepressants for those who are dangerously depressed. Happy people don’t like them. Consider the Rat Park experiment where only rats alone in mesh cages would take morphine water, but rats in a nice large cage with aromatic wood shavings, frens, and places to explore and hide didn’t take to the morphine water. Even rats moved from the misery cage to the rat park stopped using morphine, despite the researchers expecting them to continue the habit.

    Same story with Vietnamese water buffalo. They would rarely eat poppies until Americans started bombing their villages. Then they took to the poppies to regulate their nervous system.

    Fentanyl needs to be geometrically diluted. It is easy for one non-white criminal gangster set-up to use food mixers and kill whites, because they don’t really care. The best option here is to expand the availability of buprenorphine. It has high affinity for opioid receptors, but low potency. This means it blocks potentially fatal opioids, while being impossible to kill yourself with because of its ceiling effect (note: you can still kill yourself if you hit the spirits or benzos).

    Another critically underused antidepressant which would save lives is the MAOI group. These are the best drugs for depression, but because the pharma companies write the doctor medicine manuals, they are rarely prescribed without patient request. They have fewer side effects than SSRIs, won’t reduce the birth rate with sex dysfunction, and may have a neuroprotective effect. The risks from aged foods has been greatly reduced in the past 60 years because starter cultures have improved, and tyramine content is much lower.

    • Thanks: Dieter Kief
    • Replies: @Southwest
  174. @anon

    Speaking of toxins, food, healthcare and American Pravda:

    The Manhattan Project created massive amounts of radioactive waste in its quest to produce the first A-bomb.

    There were those among the highest in the Manhattan Project who knew they would have to somehow “justify” the Project if the Bomb did not work.

    So Enrico Fermi (yes, THAT Fermi) suggested to Oppenheimer that if the bomb did not work, then they could “grind up all the radioactive waste generated by the production of Plutonium and lace the German civilian food supply with it in order to win the war (by another means)”.

    That Proposal was disallowed – but it WAS formally submitted and pondered upon first.

    “Creative thinking” by the top of the top.

  175. @KeaponLaffin

    Statins and the Cholesterol myth would make a great American Pravda piece, as would the dietary recommendations eminating from USDA.

    Cholesterol is a natural part of the human body and a vital part of its repair mechanism … the crap foods people are eating are damaging, inter alia, their circulatory systems through mechanisms like elevated blood sugars, thanks in no small part to things like High Fructose Corn Syrup, excess sugar, and overly processed carb sources like white flour.

    The cholesterol isn’t the problem, it is the body’s natural attempt to repair the damage inflicted by our modern lifestyle and diet.

    Two scandals in one: Big Pharma pushing statins based on a conveniently flawed medical belief system that cholesterol is a problem (ask Dr. Kendrick what it’s like to be a specialist pushing against Big Med orthodoxy), and Big Gov pushing Big Ag products that cause the harm for which statins are being pushed, much the same way the only acceptable way through COVID Clown World are the magic vaxxes.

    • Agree: Mehen
    • Thanks: Nancy, Emslander
    • Replies: @Emslander
  176. @obwandiyag

    Mr. Unz is always being staggered.

    It’s like, he’s all naive, then he’s staggered, then he’s naive again, then he’s staggered again.

    Well, the thing to understand is that, just as some countries suffer from the “resource curse”, Ron Unz suffers from the “IQ curse”. A country with the “resource curse” is poor and underdeveloped despite being endowed with immense natural resources. Similarly, Ron Unz is always wrong about every topic despite his immense IQ.

    So, naturally, this comes as a surprise. Even the 100th time in a row of being wrong, Unz is, as you say, staggered. He thinks: How could a man with my privileged one-in-a-million mind be wrong? Yet again… It’s so paradoxical… it makes no sense…

    I have a similar problem except that it is an attractiveness curse. It so happens that I am incredibly attractive. I am such a beautiful man that women lust after me. Thus, when yet another woman rejects my advances for the 100th time in a row, it is still surprising to me. I reason: How could a man with my incredible good looks be rejected yet again?

    There is no logical explanation for this sort of thing. It just makes no sense…

    • Thanks: Jonathan Mason
    • LOL: Franz, Mehen
  177. Wild Man says:
    @niceland

    Hello niceland from Iceland. Back during the summer of 2021, you were quite adamant that the healthcare officials in Iceland, were doing a very good job. Yet, as far as I know, the same thing occurred in Iceland as has occurred in so many other places in the west, whereby the western experimental vaccines (more accurately labeled as ‘gene therapies’) have now been so well shown, not to be ‘effective’ and not to be ‘safe’.

    Are you still willing to give the Icelandic healthcare authorities high marks with respect to their supposedly highly pro-social attitude towards Icelandic citizens?

    Look …. I’m not asking to may hay (I was right and you were wrong type of thing). I don’t really care much about that at this point (that argument is over, thankfully, by this point, as far as I can tell, and I was right, and I am fine with de-emphasizing this point, …. I don’t want to purposely rile people up, with no good reason). What I am very interested in though, at this point, is the psychological process, whereby somebody serious and studious (like you) may come around, once they see they have been lied to. That is why I am asking. I want to know more about that psychological process. It is important to know more about that, at this critical juncture (whereby more and more people are waking up to the reality the we have been massively screwed, by big pharma and our own governments, over these wonky experimental gene therapies).

    Anything you can offer in that vein, maybe helpful to me, to better understand how this whole covid fiasco will ultimately resolve.

    • Agree: Kali
    • Replies: @niceland
  178. @Wild Man

    What else can he do now that he came out very bad on the losing end of his political confrontation with the globalists?

    I dunno. STFU maybe?

    (Oh sorry, I forgot we were talking about Donald Trump here…)

    • LOL: Mr. Anon
    • Replies: @Wild Man
  179. Franz says:
    @Maddaugh

    >Excessive coffee drinking

    I think that depends on the person. Coffee is a great natural liver cleanser.

    My old man drank two pots a day all his life. He dropped dead of natural causes at 90. On one of his last medical check ups the doc interpreting the results told him his liver was cleaner and had better function than some people in their 30s.

    Since he also smoked cigars and loved his vodka, I am almost certain his coffee habit was key. I’ve talked to several centenarians who had coffee or tea and a smoke to clear their head in the morning, and I think it keeps dementia away also.

    Victor Hugo beat the odds for his era, and he had a rough and tumble life. He started each morning with a raw egg and black coffee, often followed by a brisk walk and then more black coffee during his day writing. Living till 83 was excellent for that period, outliving his sons who probably chided him for his coffee habit.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    , @Maddaugh
  180. Wild Man says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I am not going to disagree with you that Trump does display narcissistic psychological tendencies (but it is important note, …. his psychological shortcomings are not in the same category of severity as the even more severe psychopathological psychological traits shared by so many of our political elites). So Trump is sorta congenitally unable to STFU. But none of theses psychological traits of Trump changes the reality, as to what is now occurring politically, as I outlined in my comment #159 above.

    • Replies: @Flying Dutchman
  181. Rurik says:

    Purdue Pharmaceutical destroyed millions of American families with opioids while producing a multi-billion-dollar fortune for the Sackler family, but our national media and health establishments ignored the disaster for more than a dozen years.

    because they approved of it, because it was/is white men (Nazis/Cosaacks) who were/are dying.

    In an uncharactoristic moment of candor, a Dem ((senate candidate)) blurts out ((their)) true feelings.

    but as he cautions, their true feelings should always be hushed.

    “The best way to see the mechanizations and motivations of the tribe, is simply to pay attention to their media, and notice what gets hyped, and what gets spiked.

    Their id is right on display in their media. But pay most attention to the news that gets spiked.”

    >><<

    “It is by their silence, that you will know what’s in their genocidal, black hearts.

    And white Americans better start listening to that silence, because what’s coming their way, has been done over and over again to just about every other white nation and land. And all too often, by the time those tragic people finally figured it out, it was always too late.”

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/the-totalitarian-moment/#comment-5075432

    as for Covid, (and AIDs and all the rest).

    What I’ve said from day one, is that the only thing that is certain, is that we’re being ((lied to)).

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  182. Dutch Boy says:

    To any of you who suffer from chronic pain or know someone who does, I suggest you try an herbal pain relief substance called Kratom. It is derived from plants native to Asia. It is not an opioid but does bind to the mu opioid receptor on cells so it has some mild opioid effect, as well as a caffeine-like effect. The capsules take about 45 minutes to take effect but tablets and powders can work in as little as fifteen minutes. The pain relief lasts 3-4 hours. I compare the effect of 3-4 one gram capsules to 1/2 of a regular strength Vicodin plus a large cup of coffee. I have used it for almost four years so I could work out despite my severe degenerative joint disease (I have had ten orthopedic surgeries). Dr. Mercola likes it and the feds have made attempts to get it banned, which is tantamount to an official government endorsement.

    • Thanks: 9/11 inside job, Bro43rd
  183. @Wild Man

    As a cretin you cannot discern that ALL the political actors in the West are Rightwing ie ‘conservative’, pro-‘Market’ (ie servants of the rich), Western supremacist, anti-labour, only pro-environment in a demonstrative, but NOT substantive, manner, pro-Israel, anti-China, Russia, Iran etc. To call the, possibly, somewhat less, Rightwing, parties like the US Democrazies, UK ‘Labour’, Australian Labor etc ‘Left’ in any meaningful sense, is proof positive of a moron brainwashed from birth. The growing inequality, elite wealth, NATO aggression, depraved ‘kultur’, ecological destruction, cult of greedy egotism etc, are absolutely symptoms of Rightwing Authoritarians like you, with their utter fear and hatred of others, at work.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  184. @Wild Man

    Translating from the gibberish-‘ Classical liberalism’ ie the fear and hatred of others, no compunction in exploiting them, and the worship of greed, called ‘private property’. Nowadays seen as neo-feudalism.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  185. @SteveK9

    I worked in hospitals for decades. The higher a ‘doctor’ rose in the hierarchy, the more likely they were to be utter shits. Plenty were fine, but rising through the ranks selected for egotists and, frankly, psychopaths. The speaking down to elderly patients as if they were worthless refuse was COMMON, particularly in certain ‘disciplines’.
    The suppression of HCQ and IVM with lies and slander and faked research (eg Surgisphere), faked MSM reports (pardon the tautology)eg IVM overdoses in Oklahoma etc, plus FULL MSM complicity will have caused hundreds of thousands of avoidable deaths. Monsters. Fecking Evil monsters, but we knew that already.

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @DevilAdvocate
  186. @Jonathan Revusky

    I would guess that Ron Unz does not have a wife.

    George Orwell was a great thinker, but many of his ideas were shot down by his first wife Eileen who had a lot more practical common sense than he did.

    For example, Orwell thought that everybody ought to be allowed to have a hog in their backyard to get fattened up eating the garbage, and which could then be slaughtered and made into bacon.

    Unfortunately, Orwell argued, there was a conspiracy involving the bacon industry that promoted laws forbidding people from keeping hogs in their yard.

    His wife told him that he was silly, and that people did not want smelly and noisy hogs in their backyard or in the neighbor’s backyard.

    So Orwell wrote Animal Farm instead, in which the main villains were scheming pigs.

  187. @Dieter Kief

    Not looking to get into an argument, but “Kory” appears only once in the Scott Alexander article you cited, so I’m not too sure what you’re talking about.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  188. Ron Unz says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I think I could probably find four Nobel laureates in science, or even perhaps in medicine and physiology who would express the opposite opinion regarding the relationship between HIV and AIDS.

    I don’t know why Ron is so fixated on these four Nobel laureates.

    It’s obviously an issue of threshold credibility. There are thousands of crazy, half-baked theories floating around and no sensible person has time to investigate even a sliver of them. However, I think very few such theories have the public endorsement of four science Nobel Laureates (plus lots of other highly-credible academics and researchers).

    For decades, the orthodox HIV/AIDS framework has been backed by billions of dollars in annual research funding, plus overwhelming MSM support. So it’s easy to get huge numbers of people to endorse it, presumably including lots of Nobel Laureates. However, getting people to oppose it, lose all their future funding, and be vilified by the MSM is much more difficult. That’s why I’ve been greatly impressed by the considerable number of those who have.

    Over the last few weeks, I’ve asked various people I know whether they were familiar with the heterodox theory of HIV/AIDS and what they thought about it. The majority said they’d either never heard of it or hadn’t paid much attention to it, and just assumed that the mainstream view was correct. This was exactly the category I’d been in myself. But a substantial minority said they’d been familiar with the Duesberg Hypothesis for many years and believed it was probably correct.

    So it sounded like everyone who’d actually looked into the issue generally tended to support Duesberg, but most people had not. This represents the power of the MSM to shape reality.

  189. @Ron Unz

    As for Moon Hoaxery, if you can find me four science Nobel Laureates who have endorsed it,

    Does it really have to be four Nobel Laureates?

    Is there any flexibility on that?

    Like, suppose, say, we had three Nobel Laureates… the guy with the all-time high score on Jeopardy…. and I dunno… some broad who always completes the Sunday Times crossword puzzle in record time….

    Would that be good enough?

  190. @Franz

    Since he also smoked cigars and loved his vodka, I am almost certain his coffee habit was key.

    Woha – not so fast here, Franz. I mean, couldn’t it have been the perfect balance your dad had found: I mean: Cigars and Vodka are good against Coffee-stress – they seduce ya, don’t they?

    • Replies: @Franz
  191. @profnasty

    Did you know 3/4s of it’s signers were hanged, died otherwise as a result, or were bankrupted?

    Nope.

    I don’t mean “Nope” as in “I didn’t know that”.

    I mean “Nope” as in it is not possible to know it, according to one of the most basic principles of epistemic logic – the veridicality principle.

    [MORE]

    The veridicality principle is easiest stated thus:

    Kφφ
      where
        Kφ reads “Agent a Knows that the proposition φ is true”.

    Stated in words: If a proposition is known, then it is true.

    This has as a corollary that if a proposition is true , there exists an agent a by whom it can be known.

    φ → ∃ a: Kφ

    By inversion: if a proposition is not true, it cannot be known (if φ is not true, there cannot exist a person a who knows φ).

    ¬φ → ∄ a: Kφ

    The proposition φ = “3/4s of [the US Constitution]’s signers were hanged, died otherwise as a result, or were bankrupted” is not true, so it can’t be known.

    People who believe that they know, are mistaken.

    Beliefs are governed by different – laxer – logical rules: veridicality is not required for belief (that is to say: there is no logical inconsistency for a person to believe a proposition that is false, so there is no requirement that people only believe things that are true).

    This is why doxa – belief – is inferior to episteme – knowledge.

    Doxa is for proles.

    • Thanks: geokat62
    • Replies: @DevilAdvocate
    , @profnasty
  192. @Ron Unz

    So it sounded like everyone who’d actually looked into the issue generally tended to support Duesberg, but most people had not.

    This conforms to my experience as well. As I’ve noted before, until the 1990s it described me.

  193. @RoatanBill

    So five-year-olds buying Heroin?

    Sounds like the Libertarian Dream!

  194. Wild Man says:
    @Rurik

    Wow …. that comment of yours that you linked from previous thread ….. 100% correct. This is the strange thing about all this JQ thing. Why does the larger Jewish community-proper, tolerate all this vile behavior by their elites? And why can’t the overall host civilization populace, grasp what is going on? There are tons of the kinds of tells like the ones you describe. It’s beyond obvious that there is very high contempt, for the host civilization, displayed over and over and over again, by Jewsih elites. What is not so clear, is what is occurring, in finer detail within the larger Jewish community-proper, around the promotion of this contempt by their ethnic patrons. Much opacity there.

    For instance …. our good host, Mr Unz himself, who is most generous with respect to fostering lively debate (a huge necessity for the operation of this host culture …. which is ‘true-west’), and is so good in that vein, that this site is the go-to, for the latest, on measured outlooks, on the current state of the culture, and as such is a huge boon to true-west culture, …. yet Mr. Unz doesn’t seem to understand how someone like Jared Diamond’s (of Guns, Germs and Steel’ fame) shtick is so offensive to, and contemptuous of, said host culture (true-west). This is astounding to me and so baffling to me. The JQ appears to be a very very deep and layered conundrum. But it’s best we get on with exploring it (so as to try to resolve it to everyone’s satisfaction, win/win-style).

    Mr Unz, …. if you do end up seeing this comment, … I am referring to your comment in a previous thread a few weeks ago (in response to a comment of mine) that you had read ‘Guns, Germs and Steel’ and thought it was just dandy. Sorry I didn’t respond at the time, but I was muchly discouraged that you responded that way and figured I didn’t want to engage in that issue with you at that time, until you came around on these awful western experimental covid vaxxes, first (otherwise too many contentious issues with one person does not foster a path forward). I see now that your are very close to coming around on that now. So my calculus (as to whether it’s worth the effort to try to engage with you, at this time, on the JQ) has changed.

    As such, Mr. Unz …. are you not aware that Mr. Diamond uses that book’s thesis (that ethnic Europeans, by way of Darwinian selection processes, have been muchly advantaged by ‘environment’, over other ethnic groups that had been shaped in differing environments, but by way of ‘without altering the Caucasian genome’ … which is just preposterous and the most putrid of bunk, especially coming from a professed Darwinist such as Mr. Diamond), to contemptuously preach down to Caucasians? For crissakes, Mr. Diamond is mainly Caucasian (Ashkenazi Jewish roots) … what the heck is going on with this kind of shtick?

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Ron Unz
  195. Typical mental midget comment. Grow up.

    Are 5 year old kids buying liquor now?

    • Replies: @Milo Minderbinder
  196. Wild Man says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    You do have it right that the true-west system (aka civic nationalism, aka classical liberalism, aka MAGA) borne of Lockian enlightenment principles, as enshrined in the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, is contingent upon upholding the principle of ‘private property’.

    So ….. your comment has made things interesting (as to better getting to know just who Mr. Mumblebrain is). Mulga …. I’m not getting your insinuated denigration of the true-west principle of ‘private property’. Are you against private property? Are you a Marxist?

  197. @Malla

    Yes, of course. Think about what “meat” really is: a dead animal. Is eating it unhealthful? I should coco!
    OK, now for your “red meat”. This is not just some random dead animal. No, this animal has been bred, fed, fattened, injected, dosed, overcrowded, and worse. Did I say “fed”? Your average dead-animal-eating punter thinks cows eat grass!
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cattle+feed+boost+growth&t=h_&ia=web

    Perhaps you’d rather eat the exudate from modified sweat glands:
    https://www.notmilk.com/

    • Replies: @Malla
  198. @Jonathan Mason

    From what little information I can find, it’s 2 Nobel Guys.

    https://www.aidstruth.org/Nobel-Denial.pdf

    Pauling had declared – during his dotage – that Vitamin C could cure anything, including cancer. No sign whatever he was an HIV Denier.

    But if Walter Gilbert was ever a denialist, does he remain so today?

    Apparently not: correspondence between Walter Gilbert and Richard Jeffery s was published on the Internet in 2006, demonstrating that, whatever Gilbert once thought about HIV, he now recognizes the virus as the cause of AIDS. The effectiveness of antiviral drugs, Gilbert explains, satisfied any lingering doubts he had. Neve rtheless, denialists continue to consider Gilbert one of their own. Like so many who have recanted their positions on this issue, Walter Gilbert remains on the denialist internet petitions, demonstrating how quick denialists are to abuse the scientific credentials of others – but how slow to respect the scientists (and science) behind them, how unwilling to print the truth.

    https://www.aidstruth.org/Nobel-Denial.pdf

    Kary Mullis for sure.

    Luc Montagnier? When I made a search for the quote below, I found a whole 15 results on Google.

    “the HIV virus is harmless and passive, a benign virus.”

    Again, 2 Nobel guys at the most. And I’d like to learn what Mr. Montagnier has been saying on the subject of the HIV/AIDS business lately. The man doesn’t care for Fauci, but then neither do I.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  199. Rurik says:
    @Ron Unz

    the power of the MSM to shape reality.

    for what it’s worth, I’ve always assumed that the reason you’ve always stated your interest in reading the NYT, was because it’s true, that the media shapes “reality”, and the NYT is sort of the leading edge of that media.

    If the NYT says that Serbia is commuting human rights atrocities, and that the KLA (Muslim terrorists, human and narcotics traffickers demanding to carve off an ancient part of Serbia for their criminal enterprises and Islamic, ethnic hegemony), are the victims, then the actual reality doesn’t matter, does it? Because the “reality” written in the NYT will become America’s marching orders, and all good liberals in good standing, and all savvy politicians and academics will all fall in line, knowing what the “reality” now is, and conduct themselves accordingly.

    This is how the lies about AIDs and Covid are all used to foment policy.

    This is how the pretexts for the war on Iraq was disseminated.

    And the untold thousands upon thousands of other Jewish supremacist lies and atrocities. Like the idiotic “Capital insurrection’ narrative, among so many others..

    Sort of like this neocon is spelling out, whereby:

    “…we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.” ― Karl Rove

    This is why I’ve always assumed that your interest in the NYT, was because it is “respectable” and the “newspaper of record”. Not that it’s has a scintilla of credibility. That’s beyond laughable. But as a source for “realty”, it is, (or at least has been), the go-to source for that “reality”. Or ((reality)), as the case may be 😉

    This was one of Trump’s few triumphs, in using his ‘bully pulpit’ to point out that the NYT ((and CNN and the rest)), are the ‘enemies of the American people’.

    That was a huge thing for a sitting ZUS president to say! And it cuts to the core of America’s existential threat, (not only domestically, but to Russia and China and beyond).

    But what I wonder is.. didn’t you, (and all other liberals and academics and politicians, and so forth), all know the NYT is a den of lying scoundrels?

    While reading it to find out what “reality” is, so as to plot one’s course accordingly, I’ve always wondered how many people were actually duped into believing the serial lies spewing out of that orifice of agenda-driven horse shit and Jewish supremacist mendacity.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  200. Thim says:

    A fine article in most respects. Still accepts American official Covid deaths, which are at least 90% overstated. Most of these deaths are iatragenic, and many are just misattributed. There has existed since Trump instituted it, the financial incentive to attribute every death to CovId. Quite a few are from the lockdown disaster. And a few are legitimate Covid deaths.

    Italy reduced their Covid deaths to about 3,000, in an inexplicable outburst of honesty. An honest American would do the same, reduce the actual deaths by 90% or more. Its just like with AIDS in the 90’s. People were dying, yes, but of what exactly?

    As aside, I believe the Kennedy book may well have two distinct authors. One doesn’t believe HIV causes any disease, while the second dwells extensively and passionately in his section on the disaster of HIV infections, and how the Gates Fauci type imperialists have made HIV infections worse in Africa.

    The second author believes the HIV causation. And he is the author who virulently believes In White Mad Bad, Black Man Good. This is the traditional Kennedy like hatred of all things white.

    Either two authors or one schizophrenic.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  201. @Fart Blossom

    Yet another reason to be vegan. Even if you don’t care about exploiting some worm, fleecing some woolly mammals, or suffocating a bunch of fish. Even if self-interest is your only interest, you’d be better off not getting too close to other species’ dirty DNA. That BGH done you any GBH yet?*

    bovine growth hormone; grievous bodily harm

  202. Rurik says:
    @Wild Man

    It’s beyond obvious that there is very high contempt, for the host civilization, displayed over and over and over again, by Jewsih elites. What is not so clear, is what is occurring, in finer detail within the larger Jewish community-proper,

    thank you Wild Man,

    As for Mr. Unz, I agree with you, he’s a mensch and a bit of an outlier, with regard to fealty to Jewish tropes. And, obviously, the JS imperative to crush all free speech and dissent.

    As for the wider question of regular Jews always falling in line with the J-supremacist agenda, I think it’s simply they want to be ‘good’ people. Just like Gentiles want to be ‘good’.

    But for a Jew, being good means being a ‘good Jew’, and being a good Jew, means falling in line behind the powerful Jews/Jewish leadership. This has been going on for thousands of years, and it isn’t just hardwired, (to one degree or another), into the Jewish DNA, but it’s also a major part of their upbringing.

    And that narrative tells them that the Gentiles have ‘poisecuted them for centuries’, because the Gentiles are too stubborn to accept their (Talmud ordained) role as slaves (like two-legged beasts of burden) to Jews.

    I know that sounds fantastic, but it seems to be the underlying and motivating principle of all those decent and good average Jews (of whom I know quite a few), who are decent and honest, but yet cling to the depraved lunacies of the Jewish religion out of some misguided need to be considered ‘good Jews’.

    Scumbag supremacists like Jared Diamond are not good people, but are, like many Jews, seeking to use their cleverness to undermine Gentile society, so that their dream of owning (especially white) Gentiles as slaves, will one day come to pass.

    It is written.

    Sorry for OT. But in a way, I suppose it’s not too far off.

    Also, that was hastily written and only an opinion.

    • Thanks: Wild Man, Mehen
  203. Wild Man says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    On this portion of your comment:

    “….. you cannot discern that ALL the political actors in the West are Rightwing ie ‘conservative’, pro-‘Market’ (ie servants of the rich), Western supremacist, anti-labour, only pro-environment in a demonstrative, but NOT substantive, manner, pro-Israel, anti-China, Russia, Iran etc.”

    Yes I can discern that pretty much all the political actors in the west are pro-market (even when they may say they are not …. but there are also idiots among our political actors, such as AOC and Squad, whom seem to be so dumb they actually believe their anti-free-market hype, unlike someone like that old psychopathic battleax Nancy Pelosi, who knows it’s all lip-service so as to enrich insiders), and western supremacist (but with the important proviso that ‘western’ has become so perverted, that in reality, it’s not actually ‘western supremacist’, but instead ‘counterfeit globalist usurper supremacists of the true-west mantel, as led by very strange Jewish ideologues within said gloabist camp’).

    On this passage of your comment:

    “of Rightwing Authoritarians like you”

    Mulga, mulga, mulga … you are still not getting it. The left/center/right economic/political spectrum model, as presented to us by our political science experts, since world war 2, is a charade. Rightwing doesn’t mean authoritarian. Leftwing does. For the record I’m a centrist. Too much rightwing libertarianism invites too many psychos to crash the party and feck things up (which is sorta what has happened, as per my original contention, that the entire western political landscape has undergone a massive facelift since the 1970’s, towards authoritarian collective Leftism, with some princes at the top of the pyramid to reap the rewards of this racket ….. that is the Left’s failing weakness …. it pretends that these princes don’t emerge each and every time that Leftist collectivism gains steam ….. when in history has that not happened? Never. Leftism is bunk because it pretends some things about human nature, like an implacable need for competition, are not true.).

    Your misrepresentations of reality continue not to be helpful.

    • Replies: @Maddaugh
  204. Publius 2 says:
    @Mevashir

    Why can’t boomers learn?

  205. Wild Man says:
    @Rurik

    You got it right about the NYT. Even a crazed Leftist loon like Chris Hedges saw through the NYT shtick, when he wrote for them, during the lead-up to the 2nd Iraq war, and became disgusted.

  206. @RoatanBill

    You’re angry about something else, aren’t you?

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  207. Nancy says:
    @prison expert

    Bertrand Russell’s prediction and proscription: Diet, (sugar, starch, seed oils) injections, (as in past and current ‘vaccinations’) and injunctions (mandating ‘papers please’) will combine, from a very early age, (over 5 now) to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible (not yet, as I’ve quietly confirmed in random shopping, etc). Even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves happy, because the government will tell them that they are so. (Blessed be the skeptical! 🙂

    Check out some real history re: vax’s – Raymond Obomsawin (recently died)

    • Thanks: Alfred
    • Replies: @Caruthers
  208. Ron Unz says:
    @Zachary Smith

    From what little information I can find, it’s 2 Nobel Guys.

    That’s not correct. According to the account in the Kennedy book, Linus Pauling signed the public statement drafted by the pro-Duesberg group, arguing that there were very serious doubts about the HIV/AIDS hypothesis and that it should be reexamined.

    Walter Gilbert was a leading figure in that group. Whether or not in 2006 more than a dozen years later, he “changed his mind” is irrelevant in my opinion. By 2006, the Duesberg forces had been politically routed, and I’d assume considerable pressure was exerted on the “heretics” to recant. Indeed, Duesberg himself tells the story of how major efforts were made to entice him to follow the Galileo trajectory, but he refused.

    It’s not a complicated question in my mind. When one side has billions of dollars and total MSM control and the other side has nothing, it’s a lot easier to get people to support the former.

    Just consider how many public figures these days are very reluctant to claim that only women can give birth, and that particular orthodoxy would have been seen as total lunacy just a few years ago. The HIV/AIDS issue is a much more obscure question, and people can easily convince themselves that the “safe” answer happens to be the correct one, especially after 20-25 years of massive public pressure.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Zachary Smith
  209. Ron Unz says:
    @Wild Man

    Mr. Unz doesn’t seem to understand how someone like Jared Diamond’s (of Guns, Germs and Steel’ fame) shtick is so offensive to, and contemptuous of, said host culture (true-west)….I am referring to your comment in a previous thread a few weeks ago (in response to a comment of mine) that you had read ‘Guns, Germs and Steel’ and thought it was just dandy.

    Well, I read the Diamond book about twenty years ago, and I remember it seemed excellent to me. I disagreed with some parts of it, but excellent nonetheless.

    Over the years, I’ve seen lots of ignorant rightwingers on the Internet ranting about the Diamond book and how horrible it was, but it’s never been clear to me whether any of them actually read it. A dozen years ago a couple of rightwing bloggers quoted a few sentences and denounced the book, and I suspect that where 95% of the critics have gotten their information. My impression is that a pretty small fraction of angry commenters on the Internet actually read books as opposed to Tweets about books.

    So here’s my question to you. Did you actually read the Diamond book, or merely read various people denouncing it?

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  210. Nancy says:
    @Random Anonymous

    How anyone could not fall off their chair when, almost immediately, the idea of ‘early treatment’ and the ‘use of potentially beneficial & safe drugs’ were viciously squashed. Doctors’ historical freedom to prescribe ‘off label’ AND the ‘precautionary principle’ were thrown out the window…. it didn’t take an ‘anti-vax-nut’ to be astonished and frightened at this development.

  211. @Greta Handel

    What is that supposed to mean? Are you some kind of shrink? If you stop speaking in code and say what you mean we might get somewhere.

    I don’t have a filter. I’ve never had a filter. I say what’s on my mind straight out. If what I see as the truth offends anyone, I don’t care. The commenter’s friend was the poster child for stupid.

    I’ve lived on Roatan island for 16 years. It has a US DEA radar installation on a hill above the airport. The island is a known drug transshipment point. I know of some high level drug dealers that live here. Having said all that, I have no idea where to get any illicit drugs. So, if I had a pain, I would have no idea who to contact for some street remedy. That the commenter’s friend got some street drugs tells me he/she probably already had a drug history. Do people advertise that they’re dopers? Some do, who don’t care. Others that want to hide their occasional use might be discrete enough for their friends to assume they had no drug issues.

    Bottom line – play stupid games win stupid prizes.

  212. Ron Unz says:
    @Zachary Smith

    You took the “Moon Hoaxery” seriously enough to publish it on your site.

    If you believe I take seriously let alone endorse all the articles and posts published on this website, you’re making yourself look very foolish.

  213. Maddaugh says:
    @Franz

    Franz said::

    >Excessive coffee drinking

    I think that depends on the person. Coffee is a great natural liver cleanser.

    My old man drank two pots a day all his life. He dropped dead of natural causes at 90. On one of his last medical check ups the doc interpreting the results told him his liver was cleaner and had better function than some people in their 30s.
    ===========================================================================

    Yes it is an INDIVIDUAL thing. However, for every man like your Daddy or Victor Hugo, there are 100,000 who are not so fortunate to live to a ripe old age. Carlo Gambino used to drink 11 cups of coffee a day and died at the age of 74. Ernest Hemmingway was a heavy drinker and smoker of Cuban cigars and died at age 61.

    There are all sorts of studies claiming coffee does this and cigars do that. I of course am sceptical as these studies are always sponsored by someone with a vested interest in these commodities. Again, for every study that says one thing there is another that asserts the opposite. However, MY aim is to shut out all avenues of disease and sickness. I consider both coffee, alcohol consumption and smoking dangerous because while a few men may live to a ripe old age, thousands of others using these products are indulging in a game of hazard and uncertainty.

    We can see the results of using any of these products on the general population of the West. Most people are sick !

    To those who wish to eat, drink and smoke whatever, whenever and how much they please I say go for it. Its their choice and their consequences. For me however, every little bit counts. I liken it to locking all doors and windows from bandits but leaving the skylight open. I liken it to the man who rides his motorbike at 100 miles per hour and gets away with it. It may look like a safe practice but he is one in a million and the others who think they can do they same are dickering with their health !

    • Replies: @Franz
    , @gsjackson
  214. Anon62 says:
    @Anon

    I do not recognize your handle. It comes with the standard UR disclaimer to “beware of anonymous comments” and fails to report your comment history.

    I am inclined to agree with you. But, if you were to sift back thorough the tens of thousands of words found in multiple threads on this site, I think you will find Mr Unz expressed what is best described euphemistically as “aggressive scepticism” and less euphemistically as pejorative rants, accusations of mental instability, intolerance, threats to terminate the discussion, and repeated support for the authoritarian elite he now deigns to critique.

    I am glad of his changed outlook and look forward to more of his incisive commentary. But the long term participants in the prior COVID threads will note the volte face in Mr Unz’ position.

    • Agree: Mehen
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  215. Don Unf says:

    One recent book on the opioid epidemic that you might have missed:

    https://www.antelopehillpublishing.com/product-page/opioids-for-the-masses-by-trey-garrison-and-richard-mcclure

    When does a crisis become a crime?

    Most importantly, who are the victims? In this investigative tour-de-force, Trey Garrison and Richard McClure delve into the human stories behind the epidemic which has killed over 400,000 Americans since 1999 and destroyed the lives of millions more. Down winding roads and up beautiful mountains, the journey into this modern heart of darkness is narrated with grim detail and interspersed with research giving systemic context to personal stories. Throughout it all, rays of light shine through in these accounts of the courage, perseverance, and dignity of those who have overcome or are fighting back against a force so much stronger than themselves out of love for their people. Well-sourced and hard hitting, this book is a must have for anyone who wants to learn more about the sad state of the forgotten man.

    At a time when good journalism is the exception to the rule, especially when the victims are rural Whites, these authors provide a sobering look into the Opioid Epidemic. Antelope Hill is proud to present Trey Garrison and Richard McClure’s Opioids for the Masses, the true story of an America that has been forgotten and betrayed.

  216. Caruthers says:
    @Nancy

    Where does Russell express this view?

  217. Maddaugh says:
    @Wild Man

    Good commentary.

    However, Mulga is what I call an outlier. He lives in a hazy world of delusion all his own, the right world because HE says so.

    Example: the West is shit and full of evil whites but Mulgo who is Chinese lives in Australia and hangs on UR.

    His opinions and actions are the opposite of what he believes and conform to what he believes at the moment and not what is !

    There are a few floor boards loose in his attic and that coupled with the cobwebs, spiders and bats ensure Mulgo will continue to live in a fantasy world of his own hallucinations. No amount of reason is going to get him out of the straight jacket of his fosslized mind.

    Very respectfully, Wild Man, replying to his comments is a waste of time !

    • Thanks: Wild Man
  218. @Hapalong Cassidy

    My wife and I both tried this and after 5 years are heart health is much improved and neither of us has had a cold or flu since starting it: https://paulingtherapy.com/

  219. Mr. Anon says:
    @niceland

    Meaning, when it was first discovered it was such a horrible sexually transmitted disease that young people -like me- were worried. The next years I saw interviews with AIDS patients, frequently only to read about their deaths months later.

    If someone wanted to promote a decrease in population, one could hardly do better than promote the idea that a socially stigmatizing, sexually transmitted disease with a 100% probability of death was primed to break out into the general population. It might be expected to get a lot of people to forgo sex and/or use condoms.

  220. Mr. Anon says:
    @Ron Unz

    Just consider how many public figures these days are very reluctant to claim that only women can give birth, and that particular orthodoxy would have been seen as total lunacy just a few years ago.

    And this seems to be an increasing tendency almost day by day. This point that you raise here – this point alone should give anyone pause who thinks that a whole establishment of ostensible experts can’t be wrong. There are now armies of medical experts who “believe” that Rachel (nee Richard) Levine or Kaitlyn (nee Bruce) Jenner are women, and wouldn’t be caught dead saying otherwise.

    • Agree: Dieter Kief
  221. @Anon62

    The new Covid pill is relabeled Ivermectin.

  222. There are actually 2 parallel narratives in Dreamland. One is as you describe, the pushing of opioids by quacks like Canadian David Procter. The other is the Mexican heroin distribution system, no less sophisticated than McDonald’s franchising system. I won’t go into the details here, but it takes up about half the book. And yet it merits no mention.

  223. Maddaugh says:
    @Emslander

    I am shocked ! I have not been to my Doctor in years. The crowning moment was a visit for a workplace checkup. I had dropped my car off at the mechanic and decided to walk to my Physician. It was summer and about 86 farenheit.

    I was told that I had high blood pressure (a stroke was imminent) and subject to panic attacks. (because I was sweating) My medical expert barely registered the fact that I had walked 1/2 hour at a pace in the summer heat. Solution to these “terminal” conditions ? Drugs ! The good Doctor knew exactly what was wrong with me and just what was needed in under 5 minutes. Then, he had to rush to his other patient waiting in another room.

    That’s what a man of common sense can expect from a highly trained Doctor. Of course I refused and got “THE LOOK”.

    Back home once my exertions had died down I took three measurements on my heart monitor and the rate was that of a teenager.

    Visiting the Doctor, while we are at it, is like taking the 2022 Rolls Royce to the mechanic for an oil change.. You go in for an oil change but after a few minutes the weak person is convinced his car is a piece of shit requiring thousands of dollars to fix thousands of non existent problems.

    • Agree: Emslander
  224. @Jonathan Mason

    Thalidomide was a British and Canadian shitshow you dope. The FDA didn’t approve the drug. British regulators did, which is why there are lots of Limeys still running around with flippers instead of arms. And wow are they having a tough time getting compensation!

    In all my years I have never seen a Thalidomide baby in the U.S.

    So to pose your question again, correctly: why did the Brits prescribe Thalidomide to pregnant mums?

    Of course, British mums like to drink whole bottles of Presecco in one sitting while pregnant, so if it wasn’t Thalidomide that caused birth defects, it was going to be something else.

  225. @Flying Dutchman

    Unlike AIDS, VAIDS is a clear-cut discrete conditi0n with a clear causality. And, like the fake “Covid” pandemic which served as the set-up for it, this bona fide pandemic will be deliberate and premeditated.

    Indeed, it’s all out there in the open for anyone with eyes to see.

    Maria Zeee interviews Reiner Fuellmich

    https://bluecat.media/irrefutable-evidence-of-pre-meditated-murder-there-will-be-a-final-reckoning-maria-zee-interviews-dr-reiner-fuellmich/

  226. Franz says:
    @Maddaugh

    Yes it is an INDIVIDUAL thing.

    I’m in total agreement there. Humans don’t come in batches like cookies.

    Family history and knowing your own body is the big thing. Dad was a polio baby and didn’t walk till he was nearly five. It is my guess that the youngsters who were poor and had it, fought it off with the Sister Kenny method, got a permanent boost to their immune system. The Depression babies either got 100 percent cured or died. The ones that didn’t die really were tough.

    He didn’t exactly do whatever he wanted. Mother would never allow him more than three jiggers of hooch a day and made sure he ate all his peas and went to bed at the same time every night. Having a dictator who cares for you helps too.

  227. Franz says:
    @Dieter Kief

    I mean, couldn’t it have been the perfect balance your dad had found

    I thing you’re right.

    The late science fiction author Jerry Pournelle once said would brainstorm by staying up all night with cigars and Irish coffee. Cigars help focus the mind and the whiskey in the coffee loosened the inhibitions, in Jerry’s case to prod his creativity. Meanwhile the coffee kept the whiskey from making him groggy.

    The trick was, he didn’t do it that often. I doubt tobacco. caffeine, and alcohol played any part in his death. It was the balance of it, like you say.

  228. Ron Unz says:
    @Anon62

    I am glad of his changed outlook and look forward to more of his incisive commentary. But the long term participants in the prior COVID threads will note the volte face in Mr Unz’ position.

    I’m not trying to be disagreeable, but I don’t see things the way you do…

    I’d freely admit that after reading Kennedy’s outstanding book and spending a few weeks investigating the issue, I’ve totally reversed my position on HIV/AIDS, and feel I’d been 100% wrong for just blindly assuming the establishment position for decades. But then again, I’d never paid any attention to the topic, and I’m not sure I’ve ever written one word about it.

    Meanwhile, with regard to the issues you’re focusing upon, I don’t think almost any of my views have changed, and I’ve said that several times. Here’s a link to my 9,000 word interview with Mike Whitney from a few months ago. Look through it and see if you can find any statements that you think I’ve now taken back:

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/are-the-opponents-of-the-covid-injections-anti-vaxx-crackpots/

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  229. gsjackson says:
    @Emslander

    Any James Howard Kunstler readers out there? It’s been over 17 years since he got off statins, reviled and fired by his doctor for doing so. Last I knew he was still holding forth with vigor. Anybody know if he has weighed in on this subject in recent years?

    My first rule of health care has long been stay away from doctors, and at 71 I’m doing fine — knock wood. Last regular checkup was in 1973.

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  230. @Bro43rd

    Attempt to bypass RBill’s clumsy English! The POINT is that if drugs were legal, there would be no black market and no pushers. If your friend had taken the correct dose of fentanyl, he would have been fine. You need a label, a standard strength and dosage, and so on. I’ve had pushers offer me all kinds of junk from horse-tranks, through muscle-relaxants, to “cialis” whatever TF that is; but no-one has ever tried to sell me aspirin.

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  231. gsjackson says:
    @Maddaugh

    You’ll probably want to find another example besides Hemingway when next making this point. He killed himself the fast way — I believe with a shotgun.

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  232. @Ron Unz

    That’s not correct. According to the account in the Kennedy book, Linus Pauling signed the public statement drafted by the pro-Duesberg group, arguing that there were very serious doubts about the HIV/AIDS hypothesis and that it should be reexamined.

    I made a web search for Pauling the last time this issue came up on another thread, and found nothing. This time that search was even more determined. It came up empty yet again. Since I don’t trust Mr. Kennedy any further than I can throw him with my left hand, I need some other evidence for Mr. Pauling’s signature. Do you know of any?

    Regarding Mr. Gilbert, I suspect somebody told him to zip his lip and try to limit the self-inflicted damage to his reputation. So do you have any evidence of the gentleman being intimidated, or are we left with ‘dueling suspicions’ for this fellow?

    If you believe I take seriously let alone endorse all the articles and posts published on this website, you’re making yourself look very foolish.

    At your Wiki is this:

    Unz says he mostly posts articles that have already been published, and “I don’t even read most of the articles I publish, and I certainly don’t edit them. I’m busy.”

    I’ll admit I don’t read most of them either, for a growing list of the authors you host are on my moron and/or monster list.

    But what about the Covid Crap you permit here? It is going to kill some people.

    Some of the deaths will be caused by the absence of beds for sudden emergencies like appendectomies or accidents. Some will happen on account the difference between the “vaccinated” and the “unvaccinated”. Yes, the vaccinated can catch and do Covid, but for them the resulting illness is typically the equivalent of a bad head cold. The unvaccinated may either die or have the lingering results they call “long covid”.

    Could you kindly tell me how you justify that to yourself.

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  233. Wild Man says:
    @Ron Unz

    I will answer, but first I want to tell you how I came to this Jared Diamond shtick. I had an ongoing discussion, with another cerebral fellow in my extended circle, which would re-commence every six months or so when I would see him again, socially at a party or gathering. He kept bringing up Diamond’s book ‘Guns, Germs and Steel’ as the central thesis that allowed this good friend of mine, to feel justified in denigrating Caucasians as probably irredeemably immoral, as such the need for the ‘white privilege’ penance they now teach in our schools (note that this fellow is of Scottish/English/Irish heritage, just like me). Now this all occurred over a couple of years, with the last exchange going back at least a couple of years now. Now this fellow is an influential high school social studies teacher. I suppose he teaches the social studies material that way (the material about European history). Now, …. I didn’t quite grasp, during these convos, precisely why he thought Diamond had helped set the record straight about how the Caucasian interface with other racial cohorts, was all about happy coincidental happenstance (apparently details about – the ‘European environment’ shaped Caucasian tolerance for germs, Caucasian success with animal husbandry and domestication and agriculture, and Caucasian development of superior technologies, including coercive technologies like guns, …. which allowed for the events of the European colonial period), which apparently therefore implied Caucasians had taken unfair advantage (according to my friend, whom pointed to Diamond’s book as the evidence for this stance). I get it, that these evolutionary events are all about either happy or unhappy happenstance (with the infinite possibilities implied by an ever-changing environment, ….. as per Darwinism, … this also implies it’s all rather happenstance). But taking it that this happy happenstance (for the Caucasian cohort) somehow marked them as undeserving of their success and therefore somehow immoral is not implied by the happenstance condition (because the happenstance condition is a neutral morality-free condition – no?). It took several convos, over two years (and then email exchanges for a year after that), for my friend to articulate his position enough, that I finally understood he in fact was saying just that (I guess I was bamboozled at first because I wasn’t willing to consider the this cerebral friend of mine’s thinking on this matter could be just so glaringly sloppy). So upon the last convo, when I realized my friend could not actually articulate how Diamond apparently provided evidence for this, in that book ….. I finally took a look at what was in the book. I read several book reviews.

    I’ll now cut to the chase. After reading this particular entire book review, I determined, for myself, that this book is not worth any more of my time:

    https://www.litcharts.com/lit/guns-germs-and-steel/summary

    [MORE]

    Mr. Unz ….. is this entire book review (but especially the summary portion) a good representation of the contents of the book? From what I gather, upon multiple sources, it is. If I am mistaken about this, in your view, I would appreciate any correction you may think is warranted. Assuming that the above provided book review is thorough and accurate in your view, this is what follows:

    I believe this book review does a very good job of outlining Diamond’s thesis. And it (Diamond’s thesis) is a well-reasoned thesis, until you get to the last paragraph of the book review summary, which is a review of the conclusions that Diamond reaches, by way of his thesis. Here is this book review’s outline of Diamond’s conclusions that Diamond thinks results from his thesis:

    “In conclusion, Diamond argues, the differences between different peoples and societies of the world are largely attributable to geographic differences between different regions of the world. In certain parts of the world, humans began pursuing agriculture because the fertile soil and temperate climate made agriculture a good use of time and resources. Agricultural societies then gained tremendous advantages over non-agricultural societies, because the increase in leisure time enabled people to develop technologies and centralized political structures, and the proximity to animals gave people immunities to deadly diseases. As a result, some societies were able to conquer others.”

    See … the thing is …. this conclusion does not just naturally flow, (like as per a rigid logical deduction) from the thesis. The Bantu (that Diamond references) have lactose tolerance into adulthood (like the majority of Europeans) because both these groups developed cattle breeding operations, for milk and meat. And as such, these breeding cohorts developed adaptations (that are genomically encoded, as in – “a biological matrix that the adaption must be embedded in – lest it will not survive”). Ditto for Diamond’s arguments around the development of immunities to germs, and differences between breeding cohorts around that (i.e. – once again these adaptations must be genomically encoded, as in – “a biological matrix that the adaption must be embedded in – lest it will not survive”). Diamond agrees with this. In fact his overall argument is contingent upon the reality of these adaptations as per the genomically encoded dynamic … and Diamond (as far as I can tell), is not shy about expressing this dynamic, and expressing his view around the accuracy of this dynamic.

    OK – so then what to make of the book review’s claim that Diamond’s final conclusion stemming from his thesis is:

    “the differences between different peoples and societies of the world are largely attributable to geographic differences between different regions of the world.”

    That claim is a half-truth – no? Sure he is right about the ever-changing conditions wandering humans found themselves in, whom found adaptations to these ever-changing conditions …. that is basic Darwinian natural selection. But that doesn’t mean that these breeding cohorts were not selectively shaped (which by way of later-day Darwinism, after much more was known about genetics than was known in Darwin’s day, implies this ‘selective shaping’ is genomically encoded) by these adaptations. What I discovered was that my cerebral friend glossed over the necessary reality of said genomic encodement of said recent Caucasian adaptations, (as enabled by Diamond’s similar glossing-over in the book), because he did not wish to consider the implications around these ‘adaptations’, and furthermore, I found out that he did not wish to consider the implications around these adaptations, because this consideration apparently caused him to harbor racist or supremacist sentiments, which he did not want to take on, so he therefore emotionally globs on to Diamond’s glossing-over shtick, so he can use ‘deference to expert authority’ as cover, to ignore the racist and supremacist considerations he thinks arise, by way of considering that the surviving recent Caucasian adaptations imply genomic changes. What a nut it turns out my cerebral friend is. It turns out that, on this topic, he is a subliminally-(un)aware cryptic Caucasian racist who is willing to throw fellow Caucasians under the bus in order to virtue-signal otherwise. What a putz. So after I discovered that, the question for me became, well ….. my friend was getting this vibe from Jared Diamond, …. could it actually be true that Jared Diamond could be putz-like in the same way, or was my friend so stupid he couldn’t understand what Diamond was saying (an eventuality I highly doubted …. this friend is far far from stupid)?

    Just because different breeding cohorts will show differing adaptations around various environmental factors, does not mean that we are marching down the road towards racism. Evolution doesn’t work that way. That would be a very very naive view of Darwinian concepts. Could it be true that an avowed expert Darwinist like Diamond could be so obtuse? I endeavored to find out.

    So I thought I should look around for something in summary form, that Diamond may have offered, around his book ‘Guns, Germs and Steel’, to see if I could find anything whereby he more narrowly expounds on racialist topics. I found this (a talk from 1997):

    https://www.edge.org/conversation/jared_diamond-why-did-human-history-unfold-differently-on-different-continents-for-the

    OK …. of particular interest, is the Introduction, in which the author of this piece quotes Diamond, as follows:

    “Most people are explicitly racists,” he (Diamond) says. “In parts of the world — so called educated, so-called western society — we’ve learned that it is not polite to be racist, and so often we don’t express racist views, but nevertheless I’ve given lectures on this subject, and members of the National Academy of Sciences come up to me afterwards and say, but native Australians, they’re so primitive. Racism is one of the big issues in the world today. Racism is the big social problem in the United States.

    So why are people racists? According to Diamond, racism involves the belief that other people are not capable of being educated. Or being human — that they’re different from us, and they’re less than human. It was through his work in New Guinea for the last 30 years that convinced him that it’s not true. “‘They’ are smarter than we are,” he says. But perhaps the main reason why people resort to racist explanations, he notes, is that they don’t have another answer. Until there’s a convincing answer why history really took the course that it did, people are going to fall back on the racist explanation. Jared believes that the big world impact of his ideas may being in demolishing the basis for racist theories of history and racist views.”

    Alright …. this section is quite telling. This author is claiming that Diamond’s motivation for writing the book is to demolish the basis for racist theories of history and racist views. Mmmmm …… I suspect the problem is that Diamond, and his admirers (whom he apparently hopes to save from racist tendencies) are both, mis-defining racism. I suspect that this mis-defining of the term ‘racism’ is borne of a misguided and non-nuanced understanding of Darwinism. Furthermore I suspect that, as per the summary of the thesis of ‘Guns, Germs and Steel’ that Diamond provided by way of the talk-proper, in the piece above, ….. he glosses over the existence of group selection (a controversy that I think is settled … group selection does occur, …. a thorny topic the E.O. Wilson weighed-in on, and prevailed, along with his mathematics collaborators on this topic …. they deserve much of the credit around that too).

    As an aside …. what a common fool this Diamond is, on the face of it, whereby he claims on the one hand, as per the quotes provided above, that – “‘They’ (the New Guineans) are smarter than we are,” …… and then on the other hand, in the 7th paragraph of his talk-proper, he claims:

    “Many people, or even most people, assume that the answer involves biological differences in average IQ among the world’s populations, despite the fact that there is no evidence for the existence of such IQ differences.”

    What a putz. A putz for thinking his audience is so dumb that he can actually get away with talking out of both sides of his mouth, in the same piece, like this ….. and also a schmuck. A schmuck for lying about normative IQ differences upon racial cohorts. But none of this bunky shite he offers as per my paragraph above, need be examined, in any event, to sort this all out (i.e. – we can just ignore these idiotic comments, obviously meant to sow deception). To sort this all out let’s just cut to the chase and talk about definitions of racism.

    I am all for intellectual rigor. So I should fill in the blanks better as to what precisely I meant by, my comment above:

    “Mmmmm …… I suspect the problem is that Diamond, and his admirers (whom he apparently hopes to save from racist tendencies) are both, mis-defining racism. I suspect that this mis-defining of the term ‘racism’ is borne of a misguided and non-nuanced understanding of Darwinism.”

    OK … what do I mean by Diamond’s misguided and non-nuanced understanding of Darwinism, (beyond what I have already offered, …. that my claim here is informed by Diamond’s obvious unwarranted uneven use of the Darwinian concept of ‘adaptation’, as applied to recent human evolution), informing a mis-defining of the term ‘racism’? This is what I mean:

    1) Darwinism is an information systems approach for understanding the expression of the life-force ….. the life-force that is all around us (and in us)

    2) Prior to Darwin, some of this was already understood. As humans have been breeding and cross-breeding (and as such domesticating) many plants and animals, for thousands of years ….. the principle of hybrid vigor was already well understood. Hybridization offers an array of new choices for which adaptations to the natural environment (by way of natural selection) may be transmogrified into adaptations to the abstract environment (the environment selected by humans, for said domestication projects).

    3) Darwin saw that said ‘adaptions to the abstract environment’ (the environment selected by humans, for said domestication projects) ….. implies that there exists a natural correlate, within the natural world …. a ‘natural selection’ thus forming adaptations to said natural environments, by way of the selective sieve of the natural environment itself, which is in of itself also an abstraction ….. because said natural environment is not static (but forever changing).

    4) As such … ‘survival of the fittest’, from the information systems perspective, means much more than sheer win/lose game structure (because the information systems game structure is open-ended, by way of the ever-changing environment). As such win/win may also prevail. As such this implies that the abstract concepts at play here, are both competition, as well as collaboration (or cooperation if you like).

    5) By way of information systems opened-ended game structure ….. the principle of ’emergence’ comes into play. Thus, the exponentializing supercharging of searches within the principle of selectivity, by way of the emergence of sexual selection.

    6) Sexual selection implies speciation (i.e. – the limits of interchangeability). Thus, breeding cohorts limited to said speciation.

    7) Reality itself (or more accurately – ‘reality potentiality’), from the information systems perspective, by way of Georg Cantor, is open-ended (infinite). As such, all ‘exponentializing supercharging of searches within the principle of selectivity, by way of the emergence of sexual selection’, cannot discount all future probabilities, possibilities and potentialities. As such individuation/speciation is a polarity that cannot be unilaterally defined, pole-wise. As such breeding cohorts made up of individuations vs. other breeding cohorts made up of other dissimilar individuations, within the same speciation (i.e. – within the same limits of interchangeability) cannot be judged as ‘inferior’ or ‘superior’, existentially, but only with certain constrained measurement contests.

    8) As such, individuations, or differing breeding cohorts made up of dissimilar individuations, within the same speciation (i.e. – within the same limits of interchangeability) can only be measured as better adapted, along the narrower confines of the present. The future is open-ended, in this vein.

    9) As such ‘racism’, defined as:

    “Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral trait norms, which can be discerned, and can be divided based on the superiority of one group’s matrix of behavioral trait norms, over others, as measured against success in certain endeavors, which is all obvious and uncontroversial, however, racism also includes the very controversial conditionality that ‘as measured against success in certain endeavors’ can in some way be conflated with ‘as measured against success in all endeavors’, which is very controversial stance to take, and patently a false idea.”

    is, as per the rational flow of points #1, thru #8 above ….. a patently false concept, by way of a nuanced (and therefore not misguided) understanding of Darwinism.

    10) As such, since Diamond’s motivation for writing the book, ‘Germs, Guns and Steel’, is to demolish the basis for racist theories of history and racist views …. why didn’t he simply appeal to the nuanced (and therefore not misguided) understanding, of Darwinism, as outlined in points #1 thru #8 above? Diamond’s bio (as per Wikipedia) advises that he is an expert in the field of evolutionary biology. As such, he must understand (at least my layman’s understanding of) Darwinism, as outlined in point #1 thru #8 above. In fact, as an expert, I expect him to understand beyond this (because what I provided above is just the simple general outline of Darwinism). Yet Diamond dismisses said obvious nuance, so as to instead attempt to demolish the basis for racist theories of history and racist views, in a way that falsely denigrates the European racial breeding cohort (by way of instead playing an exceedingly idiotic shell game ….. showing the European breeding cohort’s ‘adaptations’ but hide the biological matrix that said adaptions must be embedded in – lest they will not survive).

    To pull this off Diamond offers an overly mechanistic description of the Darwinian history of breeding cohort interfaces over the last 13,000 years (emphasizing competition themes and deemphasizing collaboration themes). As such he pisses on the beauty of the information systems approach used by Darwinism. He lowers his handling of Darwinian concept, to below 4th rate (i.e. – bunk) in order to denigrate the European racial breeding cohort. While pretending that he is doing this in order to ‘save current members of the European racial breeding cohort, from themselves, … for their supposed inherent racism’. Except racism is stupid on the face of it, without all these Diamondian convolutions, as shown by a nuanced (and therefore not misguided) description of Darwinism, as per point #1 thru #9 above. Diamond is a poseur, an imposter, a deceiver, a putz, a schmuck, and someone whom apparently hates Europeans, and wants to con Europeans themselves, into hating themselves (as such, Diamond is someone, like Barack Obama that does everything he can, to break the operation of personal self-respect, in others.) As westernism is contingent on the healthy operation of psychic self-respect ….. Diamond is someone that is apparently knowingly dealing in westernism-breaking operations (like Obama), and since westernism is a system the offers better outcomes for more people, above all other systems, in my view, he indeed is an evil man (as is Obama).

    Mr Unz – what in heavens name could you ever have seen of any value in this Diamondian bunk?

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    , @geokat62
  234. Southwest says:
    @Tendrilled Mandrill

    Thank you for that thoughtful response. Depression and chronic physical pain do seem to be related and caused by the functioning of the same region of the brain. This goes against the medical dogma that an SSRI with a placebo effect that makes up most of the stated response rate must be a great cure. Pain/depression may be treatable with similar drugs thus explaining why some people find them so psychologically addictive as well as physically.

    The misanthropes here (I will not mention them) are particularly insufferable today due to their ignorant, casual disdain for people suffering. If they were to be given these drugs in a hospital or other setting and became addicted, would they still cast their judgment on others? Or would they continue to proclaim their moral infallibility amidst the shards of broken glass?

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  235. Sepp says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    You are ignoring the pernicious effect of the tax code here. 401k’s, IRA’s, Capital Gains Tax, Inheritance Tax at Federal and State level have all been fine tuned to herd the goyim cattle to asset slaughter and the theft of their voting rights in corporate management. Vanguard pioneered low cost mutual funds and ETF’s. ETF’s help “investors” to minimize not only management fees, but more importantly defer Capital Gains until they possible even avoid a “step up” at death. Little people cannot afford or meet the minimum investment hurdle of Hedge Funds and their carried interest tax evasion scam that is only available to the ultra-rich.

    This is of course not a bug, but a feature of the entire financial system, just as an over dependence on allopathic medicine is a design feature of the Healthcare-Pharma industrial complex where the stupid goy cattle are literally being herded to the Hospital abbatoire. Obamacare is just as instrumental in this multi-faceted fleecing as the IRS tax code is.

    This is one of the critical aspects of our current dilemma that these primadonna doctors like Malone, Yeadon and McCullough. They got fabulously rich off of developing and testing “block buster” drugs for big Pharma, while big Pharma used their monopoly on medicine to suppress natural medicine and natural cures, even to the point of making them illegal.

    CBD and Cannabis oil are two prime examples of this suppression, but what they have been doing to Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine are criminal. McCullough has been very honest about this criminal suppression, but Yeadon and Malone much less so.

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  236. @SafeNow

    One cause of the above malfeasance is an acceptance of “good enough” as the proficiency standard; “get it basically right.” This unraveled standard afflicts, to varying degrees, all services and manufacturing. I can’t imagine where this originated.

    As corporate neoliberalism (which dovetails ideologically with post-WW2 globalization and technocracy) attained dominion it imposed the same contempt for “consumers” (using that term in the broad way the corporate mindset uses it, for example including students at schools or, in this case, medical patients at institutional facilities) as employers always had for workers: Squeeze them for every drop of blood.

    Since they don’t actually care whether patients are healthy, whether sick patients get better*, or whether they live or die, it follows that the health care system should make only the minimum expenditure to achieve the minimum outcome which would cause enough people to remain inert and submissive to the status quo and prevent a critical mass from changing their inertia to refusal, rejection and embracing an alternative.

    *A core ideological element of scientism/technocracy going back to the 19th century is the position that any difference between health and illness is purely a measure of what can be alleged to be changed by a disruptive technological or policy intervention, with the alleged “improvement” always spun or invented solely to serve as the pretext for the intervention. The ideological goal always is technocratic control for the sake of control. (Of course this ideology always coincides perfectly with the more venal motives of profit and power.)

    Covidianism as propagated by the system is the most extreme totalitarian metastasis of this.

    The ideological proposition that laboratory-generated artifices are not qualitatively different from the products of evolution goes back to 19th century German physiology. Among such physiologists as Carl Ludwig and Hermann Helmholtz there was a general neglect of Darwinism and a consensus that it was irrelevant. They tended to take the organism as given and focused on its current state. Physiologists posited a binary state of normality/health vs. pathology. Where a condition was seen as pathological, the goal was to learn how to manipulate in order to restore the organism to its “normal”, healthy condition. So physiologists would tend toward seeking control since they undertook their work within the framework of this normal-pathological binary, with the focus being on pathology and the goal being to change this to the opposite state.
    .
    The lust for control above all other things loomed ever larger. Starting in the 1870s practitioners began rejecting the normality/pathology binary and increasingly focused on physiological manipulation as such without regard to whether it was in the direction of the organism’s better or worse health. Bolstered by the instrumental science philosophy of Ernst Mach and the techno-evangelism of Mach’s close associate Josef Popper-Lynkeus, researchers within this framework relinquished any concern for whether or not scientific research or technological development produced humanly beneficial results. Technological control and manipulation as such was religiously assumed to be its own self-caused primary value, with all other values subordinate to it. These researchers added to their negligent contempt for Darwinism the attitude that health vs. sickness, comfort vs. pain, normality vs. pathology were meaningless distinctions…

    https://attempter.wordpress.com/2015/09/30/the-historical-context-of-the-genetic-engineering-conventional-breeding-lie/

  237. Mr Anatta says:
    @onebornfree

    Drugs don’t kill no more than drinking ‘contaminated’ water or drinking ‘too much’ pure water kills.

  238. Malla says:
    @Badger Down

    Thanks, maybe organic meat and organic milk are they way to go.

  239. @Wild Man

    how to you square that with your contention that Trump himself is a member of this globalist cabal, simply doing his part as said member?

    Trump’s cabalist actions and advocacy prove his membership in this cabal. Or I should say his support for it, though the cabal’s total demonization of him demonstrates how they feel about his yearning to join them. Pretty pathetic to keep begging for four years and beyond when one obviously was rejected from the start.

    I suppose you think Trump is a true-blue anti-globalist in his heart of hearts, but those nasty pro-globalist liberals prevented him from doing all the wonderful things he so ardently wanted to do.

    Funny how Trumpbots are the exact mirror image of the kind of Obamabot and Clintonbot who admit that Obama and Clinton did nothing but evil, but still insist these evil-doers really wanted in their heart of hearts to do the good, but those nasty Republicans always prevented them.

    How being prevented from doing the good, if that’s ever what really happens to any president (offhand I can’t think of any examples), forces anyone to then actively do evil instead of just doing nothing, is a mystery you never explain. Even if Trump really wanted to oppose the mass deployment of the experimental gene-altering injections but somehow was prevented by the cabal, that doesn’t explain why he would then flip to the opposite extreme of becoming a despicable pro-injection carnival barker.

    It doesn’t explain why TO THIS DAY he won’t just STFU but CONTINUES his vile shilling.

    I really don’t care about the terminal sheep that still believe there can be any grace and redemption from within this system. But since the Covidian onslaught looks more and more like the advent of the Antichrist’s regime and Great Tribulation, and since Trump continues his vile propagandizing on behalf of Satan’s injection onslaught, I still bother to stipulate from time to time that he is, after all, a Satanist every bit as much as any other system politician.

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  240. @Wild Man

    Trump is sorta congenitally unable to STFU

    I see that for that comment you dropped the “globalists made him (and continue to make him) do it.”

    We still don’t understand why, given that Trump cannot STFU in general, why he shills FOR the injections instead of denouncing them, or why he still is compelled to talk about the injections at all if some leprechaun won’t let him denounce or even criticize them.

    What was the Trump tweet I saw just a week or so ago – “We have the best vaccinations in the world!!!!!!!”

    That sounds to me like Trump truly likes the injection program.

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  241. @Ron Unz

    So it sounded like everyone who’d actually looked into the issue generally tended to support Duesberg, but most people had not. This represents the power of the MSM to shape reality.

    I don’t think I’ll ever understand the mindset which goes:

    “I’ve researched some controversies, and in each case I researched I found that the MSM narrative is a total lie. But where it comes to controversies I have not researched, I never attain the default that the MSM probably is lying about those as well, but continue in my faith that in those cases the MSM is truthful.”

    It’s not regular conformism since the people who do this have found their way to question the system propaganda in some matters. But somehow they lack the faculty of ever drawing a general conclusion from a consistent empirically observed pattern.

    Of course the most extreme example by far is the near-unanimous apostasy of pre-2020 self-alleged “radicals”, “dissidents”, “anti-authoritarians”, “anti-globalists”, “anti-imperialists”, “anti-war” types, as well as “Christians”, “libertarians”, “small-government” types etc. Way over 99% of them flipped overnight to their extreme opposites in order rapturously to embrace the new Covidian cult.

    That’s how Covidianism went from being what should have remained an idiotic media astroturf to becoming the most explosively growing, most widely distributed religion in all of history by many orders of magnitude. “They all worshipped the beast.”

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  242. Anon[394] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    There are two sides to the Duesberg hypothesis coin: first that HIV is not the cause of AIDS. Now it is quite possible that the demonstration of circulating antibodies to the virus using Western blot, PCR tests used for strain identification, viral load tests that quantitate relative virus amounts in circulation could all be artifacts of a highly compromised immune system. The apparent and dramatic turnaround of the clinical disease course in subjects treated with the purportedly highly effective and specific anti-retroviral (ARV) cocktails (created via molecular modeling) could well be a corollary artifact and extension of the initial take of the innocuous virus.

    One will have a hard time telling subjects who believe that the ARVs they have been taking daily for up to two decades and that have saved many (not all) of them from certain death that these drugs are not only toxic, but utterly useless.

    Be that as it may, Duesberg’s initial argument stated that the HIV hypothesis simply did not satisfy Koch’s postulates is true. But which of Koch’s postulates do Duesberg’s own notions of proposing that a hodgepodge of recreational drugs as the underlying cause(s) hof AIDS satisfy such postulates? Exactly what percent of drug users succumb to AIDS and what percentage doesn’t, even if only the intravenous users are considered? If the idea of needle contamination is invoked (in cases of sharing), then it behooves is ione to identify the contaminating culprits If HIV is to be ignored, then we are left with hepatitis B and C. Their clinical courses and manifestations are quite different from those of AIDS. Another aside: HIV positive individuals are routinely tested for hep B. Mine was negative.

    Even if we were to forgive the lazy stereotyping of poor nutrition as a possible explanation for the African AIDS, a continent of over a billion residents with frank starvation confined to certain arid regions of some countries, his t theories are no more credible than the HIV-based ones. Besides, the virus, for whatever that’s worth, has been demonstrated in people in all continents and in subjects with the varied syndromes of severe immunodeficiency and the majority of whom are were neither drug users nor gays for whom AIDS was supposed to be exclusively confined to their community, at least when AIDS was first described in San Francisco.

    Now let me come closer to home. In early 1994 I was diagnosed as HIV positive at a time when a positive test would delay the issuing of one’s resident visa to the US by the US embassy in the country where I resided. I was required to make a written commitment to seek medical attention and treatment upon arrival in the US. At the time, my attending physician recommended that I start a course of AZT (zidovudine). Information available at the time dissuaded me from accepting that recommendation. From what I had read, the drug had sent thousands to their deaths. It’s important that I mention here that I have not once consumed any recreational drugs and that I am heterosexual and well nourished. The doctor also suggested that I do another blood HIV test and check my CD4 cell count. The test was positive and my CD4 count was 223.

    After reading some of the earlier Duesberg debates, I took comfort from the fact that the HIV in my body was no more than a harmless passenger, especially since I was totally asymptomatic and healthy as a fiddle.

    Nonetheless I did have unprotected sex several times and at a time when the AIDS scare was just taking a hold in my country. I chose to continued with this practice until you later. Whether or not that was what the source of my HIV, I cannot tell.

    Long story short, in 2011 I noticed white patches in my oral mucosa. I sought medical attention. One of the questions I was asked was whether I had been diagnosed with HIV. I lied. My doctor said he would prescribe anti fungal medication but suggested that I take a blood test for HIV. As expected, it was positive. He then asked me to do a CD4 cell count and a viral load. My CD4 count was 64 (normal numbers range from 600 to 1000). My HIV load stood at over 200,000 (undetectable in healthy subjects or those on ARV cocktails). My survival instincts pushed me to start taking a prescribed cocktail of 3-in-one ARVs. In 6 months my CD4 count stood at 342 and the viral load down to undetectable. The thrush was long gone never to recrudesce.

    Whatever the cause of AIDS maybe – and I don’t give a flying fk, I simply was not about to watch myself slide towards a slow and agonizing demise. At 76 years I am still on these life saving poisons, aside from a brief bout of pneumonia, my numbers are normal and I remain healthier than many of my HIV-negative contemporaries.

    I am not saying anything about what the cause of AIDS may or may not be, but in light of my own experience – and as a former disciple of Duesberg – I remain equally skeptical about the validity of his thoughts on the cause of AIDS.

    Here, I have tried to describe my situation and views on the HIV debate as honestly as I can and welcome any comments on the substance of my post. I will respond in the best way I know how but will not respond to ad hominem attacks.

  243. @Ron Unz

    I’ve totally reversed my position on HIV/AIDS, and feel I’d been 100% wrong for just blindly assuming the establishment position for decades.

    Well, c’mon…

    Look at it this way, Ron. Suppose you’re talking with a religious fundamentalist and he keeps repeating bible stories. When you challenge him on any of this, asking him pointedly what proof there is that whatever bible story is true, he answers: “It’s in the bible.

    (That’s for real, by the way. That’s how these people behave.)

    Now, I would put it to you that, once this guy admits that any given bible story is untrue — or even possibly untrue — he is in a very bad position, whether he admits it or not.

    By the same token, you are in the exact same untenable position — again, whether you want to admit it or not. While the religious fundamentalist’s “proof” of any bible story is that it is in the bible, when it comes to a whole set of issues, your “proof” of whatever establishment narrative is that it is the establishment narrative. “This is the establishment narrative and all the establishment people uphold it (or at the very least, they don’t openly contradict it) so therefore it’s true and therefore anybody who questions it is self-evidently crazy and I don’t even have to engage with what they’re saying.

    Once you concede that some very entrenched establishment narrative, like HIV/AIDS is untrue (or even just probably or possibly untrue) you’re in the same position as the religious fundamentalist who admits that a given bible story is untrue. You’re admitting that the basic “argument” you were trotting out continually (the bible story is true because it’s in the bible… the establishment narrative is true because it’s the establishment narrative…) is simply not an argument. (Well, of course, it never was an argument, but now you yourself are really tacitly admitting that!)

    Meanwhile, with regard to the issues you’re focusing upon, I don’t think almost any of my views have changed, and I’ve said that several times.

    Well, the problem is that once you admit that your core reasoning was wrong, then…

    Now, okay, granted, it is logically possible that one bible story is true while another is false, but if your basic reasoning for believing both stories was the same (It’s in the bible, therefore it must be true.) then when you concede that one story was untrue, you’re conceding that your reasoning was invalid — in BOTH cases!

    So, maybe Jesus didn’t raise people from the dead after all, but he did walk on the water. Well, maybe… but if your reason for believing both stories was the same (It’s there in the bible, dummy!) then once you question one story, you really have to question the other one now as well!

    And doesn’t that correspond to the most basic common sense? It boils down to the same thing. If Fauci et al were selling a whole line about AIDS and that turned out to be BS, then it makes perfect sense to be extremely skeptical about what they’ve been saying about COVID. Once you admit that the AIDS story is untrue (even just possibly untrue), to keep characterizing the people who don’t believe the COVID story as a bunch of obvious nutters and “anti-vaxxers” (which is just code for nutter) it now totally untenable.

    Your position is in tatters. It’s totally untenable.

    I think everybody else in this conversation can see that. Are you now going to insist that you cannot see what everybody else can see? Or are we now reaching an endgame. (Or just resignation or checkmate.)

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Thanks: Mevashir
  244. JosephD says:
    @prison expert

    Drugging children seems to be the one thing the US does in mass numbers that the rest of the world does not. Apparently they do not have children with ADHD or if they do, don’t think giving speed or psychotropic medications is the best way to deal with it.

    One issue is the US population’s white genetics differ from much of the rest of the world. Many of our immigrants were low-level criminals who were bad enough to ship across the ocean, but not bad enough to hang. Another large block of immigrants was malcontents who didn’t fit into their European societies. Such a population would probably be high in ADHD.

    As a sanity check, Britain’s fallback penal colony of Australia also has a globally high rate of ADHD. I remember reading that theory years ago in pre-web days. Some quick web searches suggest Australia is #2 in ADHD rate.

  245. @Random Anonymous

    I’ve looked it up – memory did not serve me perfectly well. You’re right, Scott Alexander only mentions him once, saying – rathr ironically – that Dr. Kory could not be taken seriously and: He also hints at the dismanteling of Dr. Pierre Kory by Data Detective, which Scott Alexander defends.

    Plus: There is a takedown of Dr. Pierre Kory I somehow blended into Scott Alexander’s article. It is written by the science-blogger Respectful Insolence. In his article about Dr. Robert Malone. It tunrs out, Dr. Malone co-authored the frauadulent Ivermectin article of Pierre Kory, which later was retracted because of major flaws. The Ivermctin-praise in this article by those two turned out to be useless. Dr. Kory gave up on it. And he even stopped using Ivermectin in the hospital after some time, declaring that it would be ineffective against the Delta variant. – An easy way out for Dres. Kory & Malone, methinks.

    Here is the very well written article by blogger Respectful Insolence about Dres. Robert Malone – (and Pierre Kory)

    https://respectfulinsolence.com/2021/12/17/dr-robert-malone-goes-full-antivaccine-conspiracist/

    • Replies: @Random Anonymous
  246. NoVaxEver says:

    I have lost all faith in the modern stone-age medical system. I am now my own doctor and still surviving…age 71. When we have had a constant tidal wave of killer drugs, vaccines and mRNA injections marketed to the public over the last 70 years, how can one trust these people? The lies, propaganda and hidden trial data does not speak well of pharma. No wonder pfizer wants 75 years before releasing all the mRNA injection data from the first 3 months of use. More death and destruction to humanity is taking place right now with mRNA injections.

  247. @Jonathan Revusky

    . I reason: How could a man with my incredible good looks be rejected yet again?

    There is no logical explanation for this sort of thing. It just makes no sense…

    Existential conundrums disguised as priviledge. – Fate & destiny are bitches.

  248. @Ghali

    The opium wars, American edition?

    Opioids are mind-control drugs; MKULTRA is alive and well
    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2017/11/21/opioids-are-mind-control-drugs-mkultra-is-alive-and-well/

    The Deep State trafficking killer opioids
    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2017/11/03/the-deep-state-trafficking-killer-opioids/

    Medical destruction: It’s not just opioids
    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2017/11/17/medical-destruction-its-not-just-opioids/

    [MORE]

    China, Mexican cartels; the opioid war against America; is no one paying attention?
    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2021/08/20/china-mexican-cartels-opioid-war-against-america/

    Pandemic: follow the real money, the unthinkable amount of money
    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2021/05/12/pandemic-follow-the-real-money-the-unthinkable-amount-of-money/

    COVID: Three men who own corporate America
    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2021/06/21/covid-three-men-who-own-corporate-america/
    MORE: https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/tag/opioids/

    Pfizer, Moderna To Rake in Combined \$93 Billion in 2022 Covid Vaccine Sales
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/pfizer-moderna-to-rake-in-combined-93-billion-in-2022-covid-vaccine-sales-2/

    Pandemic Created 130 New Billionaires, \$2.1 Trillion in New Wealth, While Millions Suffered
    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/covid-pandemic-billionaires-trillions-new-wealth/

    Has Anyone Noticed That the World’s Billionaires During the Covid Fraud Are Getting Richer While Everyone Else Is Facing Poverty?
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/10/gary-d-barnett/has-anyone-noticed-that-the-worlds-billionaires-during-the-covid-fraud-are-getting-richer-while-everyone-else-is-facing-poverty/

    Critics Must Be Silenced for Billionaires to Keep Profiting From Pandemic
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/02/no_author/critics-must-be-silenced-for-billionaires-to-keep-profiting-from-pandemic/

    Bishop Schneider: I´ll not exclude that behind global vaxxination campaign is depopulation agenda
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/#post-831319

  249. @mulga mumblebrain

    The higher a ‘doctor’ rose in the hierarchy, the more likely they were to be utter shits. Plenty were fine, but rising through the ranks selected for egotists and, frankly, psychopaths.

    This is just the normal way of things, in any field.
    Just point me ONE field where this does not happen.
    Something is very very wrong in the way we select for our elites and power positions…

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  250. Emslander says:
    @RoatanBill

    I had an operation several years ago to correct the effects of bad doctoring that I’d received as a youth. It required a fairly long period of healing. I was given a pain medication and was given a schedule of use. It was an amazing drug. It did more than just relieve pain. It gave me such a feeling of overall well-being that I knew it was dangerous.

    I was raised Catholic and knew that such good feelings were probably demonic. (LOL).

    So, I’d wait for the pain to start before I took a pill. When there was no more pain, I had several pills left in the bottle. I called the nurse and asked what I should do. I thought I’d got the FBI. She started asking me all kinds of questions about why I wanted more and stuff like that. I knew I was getting onto incriminating terrain and assured her quickly that I didn’t want any more of the pills. I disposed of the last few I had at the drug store.

    I could see that addiction to such things was a very big threat.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  251. Ron Unz says:
    @Wild Man

    I’ll now cut to the chase. After reading this particular entire book review, I determined, for myself, that this book is not worth any more of my time:

    So just as I suspected, you’ve apparently spent years ranting about a book you’d never actually bothered to read. You originally became agitated when someone you know began regularly citing and praising it, though from what you’re saying, it’s not clear whether he’d ever read it either.

    Given all your other ranting about “globalists” and Covid and all sorts of other things, this doesn’t surprise me in the least. I actually wonder how many books you’ve ever read. Our very lightly moderated website tends to draw in people who’ve been banned almost everywhere else.

    • Replies: @Antiwar7
    , @Wild Man
  252. Emslander says:
    @Wild Man

    Trump didn’t realize that the rhetoric he was using to sell himself was actually TRUTH. He thought he was just spewing bs, like all the politicians he’d been studying. When he got into office, he couldn’t believe that the US government was everything his supporters believed it was.

    He didn’t have any idea how to combat the evil forces emanating from the swamp and was eaten alive.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  253. @Kratoklastes

    Beliefs are governed by different – laxer – logical rules: veridicality is not required for belief (that is to say: there is no logical inconsistency for a person to believe a proposition that is false, so there is no requirement that people only believe things that are true).

    This is why doxa – belief – is inferior to episteme – knowledge.

    True beliefs are based in knowledge.
    The problem today is because we have reduced the scope of knowledge to only what can pass through either the immediate sense perception or through the sieve of mechanistic science.

    For example: you probably have someone you love in your life (a wife, children, or parents). This love you have for them is a knowledge or a belief ? If it’s a stated knowledge, can you show me the factual proof they exist ?
    If it’s just a belief, can I dismiss your feelings and consider they are probably false ?

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  254. geokat62 says:
    @Wild Man

    Diamond is a poseur, an imposter, a deceiver, a putz, a schmuck, and someone whom apparently hates Europeans, and wants to con Europeans themselves, into hating themselves

    You could’ve saved yourself a great deal of time and effort if you had simply consulted Wikipedia’s Early Life section:

    Both of [Diamond’s] parents were from Ashkenazi Jewish families who had emigrated to the United States.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Diamond

    Just like Franz Boas before him, Jared Diamond had a preconceived agenda… deceive the white goyim into believing race was simply a social construct.

    Their false ideology was designed to facilitate the introduction of Hart-Celler that would open the floodgates to the third world and make America (and the rest of the West) a multiracial society, with all its attendant glories.

  255. Emslander says:
    @The Alarmist

    You touch on Big Ag.

    I don’t know who reads these comments, but I’d propose an article on the sewer that American agriculture (called “farming” when normal people engaged in it) has become under the tutelage of the feral government.

    If I were younger, I’d do an in-depth study and expose of the ways that the entire nation has been damaged by farming policies begun in the 1930’s. I might even mention the names of some Jews. LOL.

    • Agree: The Alarmist
  256. @Anon

    One of the questions I was asked was whether I had been diagnosed with HIV. I lied.

    It is very common for people who have been given a scary diagnosis, but feel OK at the time to use a mental defense mechanism called denial.

    My own sister, who was a doctor, knew that she had symptoms that could be of cancer, and yet she ignored them because she had planned to go on a two-month vacation to Australia, and thought that the trip would do her good. Long story short, she died a few months ago, when, if she had sought immediate surgical treatment and had complied with chemotherapy, she would mostly likely still be alive and my brother in law would not be a widower.

    Steve Jobs was another case in which many people believe that he might have had his cancer cured if he had sought early surgery, but he resisted and many people say that he tried to treat himself with fruit juices. (Of course it is impossible to know the whole truth about his medical history and treatment, but we do know he died relatively young from cancer.)

    You have certainly raised a very interesting argument that persons who are diagnosed as HIV+ve should wait until their CD4 count is in the basement before starting antiviral medications–which could buy several extra years– and that many people who did take AZT before the appearance of opportunistic infections might have had a better end result if they had waited for better medications to come along.

    Hindsight is invariably 20/20, and if medical science had known then what it knows now, then many more lives might have been preserved, but you showed great foresight.

    • Replies: @Anon
  257. @Emslander

    I’ve had 5 knee surgeries on my right knee over many years. A 300lb local doctor skied into me and a friend while we were standing next to a trail sign in Jackson Hole, Wyoming and blasted us into it knocking both of us out. I ended up with a torn up knee.

    Like you I avoid pain pills and most other pills unless absolutely necessary. There’s no way I’m getting hooked on anything because I don’t like feeling out of control. Doctors always want to write a script. I tell them not to bother since I won’t fill it most of the time.

    Some people like getting high. I don’t. I don’t understand the desire for pot, cocaine, etc. I have no use for that stuff. I grew up with working buddies during high school that would get blasted every Friday night while I stayed sober. I’d have a beer or two, but to drink to excess was out of the question. All I had to do is look at these guys to know their path is no way to live.

    The folks dropping dead from licit or illicit drugs are largely of a personality type that is self destructive, IMO.

    • Agree: Emslander
  258. tosca says:

    Have you ever read ‘Murder by Injection’ by Eustace Mullins? Interviews are still to be seen on youtube. How can still an ounce of crediblity be conveyed to the medical system’? SOS.

    • Replies: @Fart Blossom
  259. Maddaugh says:
    @gsjackson

    Quite right. The word varies. Some say it was an accident and others suicide. However what do not know is that Hemmingway had extensive military experience and the thought that he would accidentally kill himself is hocus. Besides, the shotgun so it is said was a long double barrelled which is kind of difficult to accidentally point to yourself.

    Hemmingway never tired of abusing his body to the point where he became severely ill, suffered intense pain that more alcohol, cigarettes and drugs could not alleviate. Fact: He was usually drunk by 11 am. The medical facilities in Cuba being what they were and are, were of no help to him and he refused to go to the US for treatment, which given his condition would have done no good.

    So he finished the job himself. Hemmingway died with a shotgun blast but not from a shotgun blast…….kinda like Covid.

    [MORE]

    I visited his home in Cuba. Hemmingway had a fetish for military boots and one home in the room is dedicated to his collection. His house was situated on a rise that overlooked Havana. It was an old lookout point dating back to the Conquest. If ever you get a chance go visit the place. The curator and resident expert on his life is an enormous Cuban woman. The house has a log of Hemmingway’s visitors for years and teetotallers were not welcome.

    Hope that clears up the confusion in your head. Alcohol consumption destroys more people than illicit drugs. Since you asked here are some examples

    >Richard Burton (1925-1984) …59
    >Truman Capote (1924-1984) …60
    >Errol Flynn (1909-1959) …50
    >Billie Holiday (1915-1959) ..44.
    >Jack Kerouac (1922 – 1969) …47
    >Mickey Mantle (1931 – 1995) …64
    >Hank Williams (1923 – 1953)…30

    Everyone knows some relative who mixed his Ozark moonshine with Jamaican high wine and lived to 105. However, these men are exceptions and anyone who thinks they can replicate their performance is risking their life on a chimera.

    • Thanks: gsjackson
  260. @Thim

    Thim wrote:

    Italy reduced their Covid deaths to about 3,000, in an inexplicable outburst of honesty. An honest American would do the same, reduce the actual deaths by 90% or more.

    Ron Unz, I hope you’re reading this – especially in the context of the alleged Covid mortality in the U.S of around 700K – 800K (which you claim is under-counted by a large margin, whereas most of us that were wise to the Covid psyop from Day 1 believe this figure to be greatly in excess of the true figure).

    [MORE]

    Well Ron, please take the time to listen to this 22 sec video of CDC head Rochelle Walensky:

    Yes Ron, the CDC is now admitting that:

    Over 75% [of reported Covid deaths in the U.S] occurred in people that had at least four (4) comorbidities.

    Let me rephrase that statement another way.

    Of the remaining 25% of alleged Covid deaths, no doubt there were many (perhaps even a majority), that had one, two or three comorbidities.

    At the end of the day, what difference does it make if you had only ONE (1) comorbiditiy or several if it turns out that this SINGLE comorbidity (say late stage cancer), was actually responsible for killing you and not Covid.

    Ron, from the very beginning you always relied on OFFICIAL statistics from GOVERNMENT sources like the CDC for Covid mortality.

    Well Ron, here it is – it’s coming from the CDC.

    Are you FINALLY now going to swallow your pride and admit that the official U.S Covid mortality stats are wildly exaggerated ?

    • Agree: Mehen
  261. Rurik says:
    @geokat62

    Just like Franz Boas before him,

    I was thinking the exact, same thing.

    Diamond is just yet another Boas, doing what they do.

    The irony with this lot, is that their shtick is that ‘there is no such thing as race’, and anyone who disagrees is surely a vile and irredeemable ‘racist’. But the irony is, that few people on the planet, or even historically, are more obsessed with racial hegemony and ascendancy, (are, in a word, more racist) than fellows like Boas (ADL, SPLC, et al)

    But rather than technological genius, military prowess, guts, bravery and moral fortitude, this lot opts for deceit, guile and treachery to prevail in their racial war. And I wonder if even one of them ever takes a moment to reflect on the irony that while they’re busy denigrating whites as cheats for exploiting their talents to survive and prosper, (that makes non-whites envious), they themselves are busily engaged in using what Providence has given them, (cleverness, duplicity and guile), to strike down and destroy their racial/tribal rivals.

    You know, do they laugh to themselves, as they’re standing up there giving lectures to their wide-eyed university students.. ‘White people have taken unfair advantage of the gifts that nature has bequeathed to them, though no personal effort of their own (‘You didn’t build that’), to run roughshod over other races and nations and tribes’. All the while knowing that every word, every inflection and every thought that is being wielded, is nothing more than a racial weapon of tribal hegemony over their intellectually weaker racial rivals, as they perceive it.

    Do they get that irony, or are they just doing what they do?

    Excellent article here:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/white-racialism-in-america-then-and-now/

  262. @Jonathan Revusky

    It also all goes back to Karl Popper’s theories about science and knowledge.

    In practical terms we cannot personally verify every piece of knowledge, so we have to take things on trust.

    Scientific series usually cannot be positively proved, but experiments can be carried out to falsify them.

    For instance certain stories in the Bible might theoretically be falsified by archaeological research, thus proving that the Bible is not an infallible source of knowledge.

    However you cannot really falsify a theory by pointing to the fact that a small number of eccentric Nobel laureates did not believe in it 30 years ago.

    Or you can say is that 30 years ago there was a heated discussion about whether the HIV virus caused AIDS, and that even a few distinguished scientists took the point of view that the HIV virus did not cause AIDS.

  263. Antiwar7 says:
    @Ron Unz

    Hilarious! I remember when I read Guns, Germs, and Steel, I found it very interesting and provocative, even though I thought some of his theories were more convincing than others. (I do think there’s some truth to the domesticable animals part, for example.)

    I also found his book, The Third Chimpanzee, eye-opening and worth reading. I think I read Collapse, too.

    I feel sad for people that never got into the habit of reading.

  264. Dutch says:

    Interesting point not really touched on here is how times have changed. It’s pertinent to “what it is to be Boomer”. Back in the 80s when. AIDS broke there was still the illusion of real journalism. Newsmen, like everyone else, wore suits. The spoke in a measured manner. They pretended to have your interests at heart. And they didn’t tweet personal nonsense that revealed what uninformed communist idiots they actually were. You knew little about them beyond the uber-groomed personas they presented on the evening news. So when they told you there was a new virus that magically gave poor people the symptoms of poverty, gave drug users the symptoms of drug abuse, and gave gays the symptoms of lifestyle abuse, you had no reason not to believe them. Because you were a Boomer and why would the TV lie anyway? And therein lies the whole ticket to all of it. We’ve had 3-4 generations now COMPLETELY VOID OF ANY CAPACITY FOR DISCERNMENT. Never learned it, never had it, were taught to scorn it, and even now in the face of so many Revelations that the new media has brought us, are too old to even learn it. Ron is one of the rare few boomers who was and is consistently able to break from his programming. Just the mere admission that “hey I never knew this about AIDS, but given the evidence I now believe it”. I will give you a 100% guarantee that Ron is the only journalist you’ll hear make a statement like that. Maybe in your entire lifetime. But sadly he is one of a rare few. Nonetheless the fact remains that the shitboat in the shitcreek that we’re currently paddling up is the result of generations of Americans brainwashed and programmed from birth to uphold as gospel that which the TV tells them, and view skepticism, inquiry, verification , and alternative theories as Hitler and Satan’s lovechild. The sad mplication is that we cannot be saved. Not now at least. Not without a few decades of concerted effort working directly against this brainwashing. Unwriting and rewriting the endless ‘facts’ that aren’t facts at all or even close. AIDS is a big one, but its not alone nor the biggest. The younger generation seems to be emerging from this fog on their own and that’s encouraging. But they’re still outnumbered by those raised on a steady diet of lies and fact blind browbeating with fantastic lies. The rushed panic of COViD tells me that those behind the brainwashing see their golden age is coming to an end. They know the number of completely subordinate useful idiots is declining. But at the same time they’ve reached a point in their lives and careers where they occupy top positions and have maximum influence to play out their fake sagas. That is in a nutshell the story of COViD. Their big goal line stand to push their new world agenda, 50 years in the making, across the goal line. And I fear America lacks the mental defense to stop it. Ron does but he’s tragically outnumbered. It is what it is. Be ready to see how the movie ends, but don’t be surprised if the bad guys win. The good guys are all watching Cuties on Netflix.

    • Agree: Mehen
  265. Ron Unz says:
    @Anon

    In early 1994 I was diagnosed as HIV positive…It’s important that I mention here that I have not once consumed any recreational drugs and that I am heterosexual and well nourished. The doctor also suggested that I do another blood HIV test and check my CD4 cell count. The test was positive and my CD4 count was 223…Long story short, in 2011 I noticed white patches in my oral mucosa…My CD4 count was 64 (normal numbers range from 600 to 1000). My HIV load stood at over 200,000 (undetectable in healthy subjects or those on ARV cocktails).

    That’s an interesting story, and I think it actually tends to challenge the orthodox narrative opposed by Duesberg.

    You’re heterosexual and don’t use drugs, yet you were HIV-positive in 1994. Assuming that you’re male, getting infected with HIV via normal sex is supposedly exceptionally difficult, so your 1994 infection seems very implausible under the orthodox narrative.

    However, according to Duesberg the harmless HIV virus has probably been endemic at a low level for centuries. He notes that large numbers of military recruits turn out to be HIV each year, including from small towns not known for AIDS. So that seems much more consistent with your case.

    Meanwhile, you were asymptomatic and took no anti-AIDS drugs, but your immune problem only appeared 17 years(!) later, and perhaps much longer than that since you might have been HIV-positive for many years before you were tested. Given the 17+ years between your HIV infection and any illness, it really seems doubtful to me that the two had any connection whatsoever. I think even the orthodox AIDS model only claims an HIV latency period of 10 years or so.

    I suspect if you’d immediately started taking AZT in 1994 as your doctor recommended, you’d have developed “AIDS” very quickly, and quite possibly died, thereby adding to the mortality statistics proving that HIV causes AIDS.

    And I think that Duesberg would argue that once your immune system later collapsed, for unrelated reasons, the residual HIV in your body then began multiplying to high levels. Under this reconstruction, the immune collapse would be the cause rather than the consequence of the heavy HIV load.

    So overall I think I’d tend to place your account on the Duesberg side of the ledger.

    • Replies: @Anon
  266. @Jonathan Mason

    However you cannot really falsify a theory by pointing to the fact that a small number of eccentric Nobel laureates did not believe in it 30 years ago.

    Or you can say is that 30 years ago there was a heated discussion about whether the HIV virus caused AIDS, and that even a few distinguished scientists took the point of view that the HIV virus did not cause AIDS.

    And we could always keep in mind that it is normal that people disagree with theories – that is not the least bit dubious – how high ranking those diagreeing might ever be. It is a dire feature of our system, that people are free to disagree. Advantage Evening’s Empire.

    Wether or not the disagrement is important then must show – in real world (= scientific, medical, / economic, / cultural, (=everyday life)/ religious, / philosophical/ juridical, / sociological/ …) consequences.

  267. Jiminy says:

    My poor old wife came home yesterday from work all confused. Before surgery now, every patient has to be rapid antigen tested for the moronic cold. The boss just couldn’t put her head around the concept that nobody tested positive all day. I could almost hear the cogs rolling over.
    For weeks she’s been listening to the premier telling us that the new cold is cutting a swathe through the city leaving a trail of devastation in its path. I believe that once my wife, who is a front row believer, realises that it’s all a conjob then the game is over. The government will have lost.
    As I’ve said to her repeatedly, “no cold virus is going to take off in 34 degree heat, 85% humidity.” It’s just not going to happen.
    As for trusting doctors, the last time I had anything to do with the family doc he put me on statins for a cholesterol reading of 16. Five is usually the nice round figure to aim for. So this was instead of doing a follow up blood test to see what caused the high cholesterol level. It turned out that my thyroid gland had shut up shop. The thyroid gland actually helps to control a lot of systems in the body, but there was the doc pushing statins when all I needed was thyroxin. I think maybe he just had a quota to fill.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  268. @gsjackson

    JHK has a regular spot at lewrockwell dot com. It’s one of the few things I still read on that site because JHK is an irreverent SOB and takes no prisoners. He’s worth reading.

  269. Wild Man says:
    @Ron Unz

    “Given all your other ranting about “globalists” and Covid and all sorts of other things, this doesn’t surprise me in the least. I actually wonder how many books you’ve ever read. Our very lightly moderated website tends to draw in people who’ve been banned almost everywhere else. ”

    Hahaha! Too funny. Look – I suppose you are twisting things here, making it out that I am a dumb ass, in order to use that contempt, to discount what I offered. Did you read any of my long comment #237, beyond the first link? I provided a 2nd summary of the book (though the first link was also just fine) right from the horse’s mouth (Diamond’s mouth) in the 2nd link. Am I to pretend that this 2nd link does not exist (like you apparently)?

    [MORE]

    At any rate, to clear the air on this Jared Diamond thing (whom I am featuring as a subverso-Jew playing a stupid intellectual shell game around Caucasian attributes and the responsibilities that may stem thereof, as upheld by the perversion that our Academy has become under relentless subversive Jewish anti-intellectual anti-Academy activities parading as the actual Academy, ….. I mean what a joke – even good ole Steven Pinker praises this Diamondian bunk, like you), and to humor your insinuation that I have not made proper efforts to understand what the contents of the book are (though I disagree that I have not made proper efforts for the reasons as I stated in comment #237), …. I will read the book now and come back to you on this. And since you have goaded me into putting in extra effort (that I highly suspect will not produce any new revelations for me, vis-a-vis Diamond’s shtick and so will probably be wasted time), I will expect the same from you in return (no more lame attempts at ad hominem on your part – engagement with the content will be fully expected, upon my comments that will be directed to you, after I have read the full book).

    P.S. – The neocons that you are so fond of fingering as a nasty bunch (and rightfully so in my view) are one face of said ‘globalists’. So if I rant about ‘globalists’, … you do too (but choose different words to describe it, whilst there is a large contingent of your readership that would much better understand your precise meanings around that, if you would start using the terminology favored by many here, to designate the phenomenon).

    • Replies: @W
  270. @Emslander

    There is a photograph of Trump on election night 2016 where the wife and family are huddled around him smiling with jubilation and the look on his face is shock and awe. I jumped to a couple of conclusions:

    1. he was more surprised and somewhat aghast at what does he do now?
    2. he was deeply worried that his recent amphetamine consumption was over the threshold into permanent damage territory.

    He did not look at all like his pal Richard Nixon did when his results were finalized in 1968. That was a happy man.

  271. Mark Hunter says: • Website
    @Anon62

    Assuming Unz cares what you think, is the following sarcasm calculated to persuade him to agree with you?

    It only took roughly two years, and I don’t know how many thousands of words contributed by concerned UR readers, for you …

    And in any case, it was Kennedy’s book that made him reconsider the solidity of his position, as he says.

    Before you click “Publish Comment,” especially if you make a personal remark, ask yourself, what will the reader be thinking as he reads?

    Here is a man who tells you his position hasn’t really changed but now he is not as sure of it as he was. And some cipher comes along and sarcastically says to him that he is mentally slow.

    The reason this annoys me is that I am one of the concerned UR readers you mention and I don’t want to be associated with that stupid paragraph in your post.

  272. Anon[394] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Your point about denial is well taken and with which I am familiar. When I was first diagnosed with HIV by the embassy accredited lab, I was working in a research lab (I am a DVM with a Ph.D in experimental immunology) funded by the WHO. I anonymously submitted my blood sample along with that of a colleague and mine came out positive but not my colleague’s.

    Upon arrival in the US, I was required to submit another blood test; not surprisingly, it came out positive. I was under no illusion about my HIV status, given my own understanding of the diagnostic tests at the time. In fact I was not in denial at all. Later after reading Duesberg’s earlier debates and given my asymptomatic state, I was secretly hoping that the virus would simply be harmlessly existing in my body.

    The final test which led to the CD4 count and viral load, together with the oral thrush that prompted me to seek professional help, it was clear to me that my immune system was headed south. It was time to act. And act I did.

    I should mention that I made a conscious decision to delay starting on a course of ARV trusting that the enormous funding that was poured into AIDS research would lead to more effective treatments becoming available.

    I will step back to a couple of years before my last visit to my doctor that I mention here. I was working for a research company in Ft. Lauderdale, FL, that tested ARV cocktail effectiveness in AIDS patients. And as newer ARVs were tested, I witnessed first hand a dramatic drop in fatalities with patients exhibiting many of the complications of AIDS, including KS, cytomegalovirus retinitis, occasional tuberculosis and a variety of intestinal parasites. The majority of patients that participated in the trials were gay, hence the prevalence of complications not normally observed in the heterosexual population.

    If my first hand experience at the research center was not definitive proof of HIV being the cause of AIDS, there was little doubt in my mind about the benefits of ARV cocktails. We can now fast forward to my third HIV diagnosis and my decision to take the prescribed cocktail which I continue to use to this day. Given my family history of cardiovascular conditions, I now believe that I am highly unlikely to succumb to the complications of AIDS.

  273. Tony Hall says:

    More evidence of pre-meditated mass murder with full intent? Experiments within experiments on human subjects?

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-new-findings-about-covid-19-vaccines-reiner-fuellmich-dr-wolfgang-wodarg-dr-sam-white/5766806

  274. saggy says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    So it sounded like everyone who’d actually looked into the issue generally tended to support Duesberg,

    How completely idiotic can you be ….. but, no problem … I”ll fix it for you ….

    So it sounded like everyone who’d actually looked into the issue, with the exception of the worldwide medical establishment consisting of thousands of researchers and doctors, generally tended to support Duesberg,

    For example … https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3106263/ ‘Update on Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV)-2 Infection’ one of thousands of articles that don’t tend to support Duesberg.

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  275. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anon

    Thanks for volunteering your own experiences. I’m sure it can be difficult to talk about personal medical matters, especially such a sensitive one, and I appreciate you doing so in the interest of helping people come to a better understanding of this contentious topic.

    One question: It sounds like you remained normally healthy for many years after your diagnosis, up until about 10 years ago when you went to see your doctor and he diagnosed Thrush and discovered your low T-cell count. I gather that a decrease in T-cell count can result from aging, although it sounds like yours was quite low. Were you taking steroids at the time? From what I have read, long term steroid use (for example steroid inhalers for asthma) can lead to Thrush as well as depressed T-cell counts.

    I hasten to add, I am not a doctor. Whatever knowledge I possess in this area is not based on long years of experience. I am not trying to diagnose you; or to recommend or discourage any particular course of treatment. I’m just trying to gain a better understanding.

    • Replies: @Anon
  276. Anon[394] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    To the best of my recollection, the only steroid treatment I received was a single injection into my knee many years before the HIV detection. At the time that my CD4 count was at its lowest, it was still too low, even after being corrected for my age at the time. And no, I am not asthmatic.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  277. W says:
    @Flying Dutchman

    That sounds to me like Trump truly likes the program.

    The best conman con themselves first.
    This fat, Eskimo worshipping traitor doesn’t want to admit that he is bent over a desk, so he convinces himself that the killshot program is a good idea.

    That’s the charible interpretation.

  278. W says:
    @Wild Man

    Hahaha! Too funny. Look – I suppose you are twisting things here, making it out that I am a dumb ass, in order to use that contempt, to discount what I offered.

    You’re a Trump supporter aren’t you?

    You make yourself look like a dumb ass every time you insist that Zion Don has no agency and every bad thing he does is to be blamed on “globalist”.

    And you still believe Trump is the best president Eva!

    Even Vox Day walked away from Trump.

    PS.

    Use paragraphs dam you.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  279. Alden says:
    @obwandiyag

    I have found the New York Times to be an infallible falsehood lie detector. Absolutely 100 percent reliable.

    It’s very simple. Every word in the New York Times is false. On every single subject. Every word is a lie.

    • Agree: Emslander, acementhead
  280. geokat62 says:

    Telegram comment posted by Kanekoa The Great:

    Dr. Scott Atlas: The Reality Is The Lockdowns Killed People

    •Lockdowns pushed 130M people into abject poverty.
    •400,000 new deaths from Tuberculosis.
    •Tens of millions more babies dying of malaria.
    •325,000 Americans skipped chemo in Spring 2020.
    •50% of heart attack/strokes did not call ambulance.
    •65% to 75% of cancer screenings missed.
    •85% of living organ transplants not done.
    •300% increase in teenage self-harm.
    •200% to 300% increase in teenage anxiety and depression.
    •52% of college-aged kids gained unwanted 28 pounds in 2020.

    https://rumble.com/vsbvz4-dr.-scott-atlas-the-failure-of-lockdown-policy.html

    @KanekoaTheGreat

    https://t.me/KanekoaTheGreat/3130

    • Thanks: Dieter Kief
  281. anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:

    Unz,
    Nice article, I really do like how you layer your past findings with your new ones to create more irrefutable and effective arguments. An interesting thing I noticed when reading your article: Lots of people critical of the government argue that the FDA and other governmental agencies are too strict in regulating medical products, but your arguments take the opposite stance and state that lax regulations have killed large sums of Americans. Perhaps the WSJ should take your articles and run them instead of some libertarian economist arguing for deregulating the FDA.

    Offtopic, but in light of America’s broken healthcare system, California is experimenting with single payer again:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/single-payer-medicine-makes-a-california-comeback-gavin-newsom-xavier-becerra-healthcare-11641853914

    I wonder what your feelings on this is. You live in California and are one of the new people who operate outside the mainstream that is positive on the state. Do you think that the taxes will be too high from such a move, or that the benefits outweigh the costs?

  282. Ron Unz says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    However you cannot really falsify a theory by pointing to the fact that a small number of eccentric Nobel laureates did not believe in it 30 years ago.

    Or you can say is that 30 years ago there was a heated discussion about whether the HIV virus caused AIDS, and that even a few distinguished scientists took the point of view that the HIV virus did not cause AIDS.

    As I’ve emphasized, the positions of those Noble Laureates merely help provide the threshold credibility for me to seriously consider such a shocking hypothesis. But since you’re apparently a strong supporter of the orthodox HIV/AIDS framework, perhaps you can answer these questions I raised, which are extracted from my article:

    In support of their contrary position, the authors noted that the various groups at high risk for “AIDS” only tended to get particular versions of the disease, with the “AIDS” suffered by hemophiliacs usually being very different from the “AIDS” of African villagers and only slightly overlapping with the diseases of gay men or intervenous drug addicts. Indeed, the pattern of “AIDS” in Africa seemed utterly divergent from that in the developed world. But if all these different illnesses were actually caused by a single HIV virus, such completely disparate syndromes would seem puzzling anomalies, difficult to explain from a scientific perspective.

    Among the many telling points, the documentary notes that although nearly 90% of those Americans suffering from AIDS are male, HIV tests administered to our new military recruits indicate that the general rate of HIV infection in the population is equal between men and women, a very strange divergence between the illness and its alleged cause. Furthermore, the incidence rates of sexually-transmitted diseases and HIV have sharply diverged over the years, raising serious doubts about whether the virus actually follows that mode of transmission.

    He notes that substantial numbers of the young military enlistees who annually test positive for HIV grew up in small rural towns that are hardly likely to be AIDS hotbeds, and suggests that their mothers be tested for the virus, which is known to be transmitted to the newborn. If those women also tested positive, that would prove the virus had already been widespread eighteen or twenty years earlier, completely demolishing the established AIDS narrative.

    A reigning theory enjoying billions of dollars of annual research funding and employing tens of thousands of researchers should obviously have very easy answers for these troubling questions raised by tiny handful of unfunded critics.

  283. profnasty says:
    @Kratoklastes

    I KNOW you’re just fkn with me.
    I got the info from Paul Harvey and checked it with wiki.
    I have a math background but your explanation seems insincere and frankly irrelevant.
    The DoI lives in disgrace. This Truth I hold self-evident.

  284. geokat62 says:

    How many times must Charlie Brown get fooled by Lucy?

  285. MB says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Thank you.
    Great interview. I don’t usually have much patience, even when you speed them up. Even at this late stage of the game, I have not sat down and listened to Kory all the way through before, though I’ve agreed with his take and protocol re. the virus. The the early alternative treatments are key.
    He’s a great American, a great humanitarian.

  286. @DevilAdvocate

    True beliefs are based in knowledge.

    There is no requirement for a proposition to be true, for a belief in the proposition to ‘work’.

    By ‘work’ I mean that the belief functions as a part of a person’s weltanschauung without generating inconsistencies. (Look around you: people believe all sorts of stupid shit, and they make their way through life jes’ fine).

    Talking about ‘true beliefs’ is almost oxymoronic, because a belief in a false proposition is valid – in that it satisfies all the properties required within the relevant (doxastic) logical framework.

    [MORE]

    There is no veridicality principle in doxastic logic (which is a part of the modal framework that extends epistemic logic to incorporate beliefs).

    Take the example of a proposition (A, say).

    Some basic principles:

     • If you know A, then A is true (veridicality).
     • If you know A, you know you know A (positive introspection).
     • If you know A, you cannot believe that A is false.
     • If you know A, and you know that A implies B, then you know B.

    Contrast this with belief in the same thing:

     • If you believe A, then A doesn’t have to be true (no-veridicality).
     • If you believe A, you believe you believe A.
     • If you believe A, you know you believe A.
     • If you believe A, and A implies B, you don’t have to believe B.

    It all comes down to the absence of veridicality for belief: things believed do not need to be true.

    This is the defining difference between the two notions, and is why knowledge is superior to belief – and has been known to be superior since before Plato (e.g., in Theatetus Plato asserts that knowing a proposition implies that you believe it).

    Belief in a false proposition is not ‘false belief’; belief in a true proposition is not ‘true belief’. Both types of belief are ‘valid’ beliefs.

    Belief and knowledge are two different things.

    So the proposition

    True beliefs are based in knowledge.

        makes no sense unless you define a ‘true belief’ as ‘belief in a proposition that is true‘.

    How does the person having the belief know that the proposition is true?

    If he believes that the proposition is true, there is no constraint to ensure that he’s not wrong.

    He has to know the proposition is true – so why bother asserting belief? Belief is the ugly, retarded, primitive cousin of knowledge.

    Since knowledge is superior to belief, if a proposition is true it is sensible to know, rather than to believe.

    Again: doxa is for Cave-dwellers.

    People who consider this stuff seriously, have known this since Ancient Athens.

    • Replies: @DevilAdvocate
    , @Emslander
  287. @Jonathan Revusky

    I’ll defend Unz’s position here (though I’m personally very skeptical of the official COVID line).

    There are multiple dissident COVID narratives. They can be arranged roughly on a spectrum from “incompetence” to “conspiracy”.

    incompetence “The poor COVID management is not a function of greed or malice, just bumbling midwit bureaucrats in way over their heads.”
    conspiracy “The vax is a bioweapon designed to kill people.”
    middle “Irrational COVID-mania is driven by a toxic brew of incompetence, greed-fueled corruption, don’t-rock-the-boat careerism, and political ass-covering.”

    The dissident HIV/AIDS narrative endorsed by Unz is most similar to the middle option above. There is very little in the narrative that bears on the credibility of more malicious conspiracies of the type promulgated by Mike Whitney etc.

    And indeed, since his HIV/AIDS discovery, Unz has conceded that something similar could be going on with the COVID vaccines– he just hasn’t yet seen the sort of evidence that led him to conclude that it was likely going on with HIV/AIDS. In Bayesian terms, his priors have been updated but not his conclusions.

    This position seems rational to me, although I am surprised Unz remains so apparently incurious about the science of the genetic vaccines and the many narrative-dissonant notes in the COVID epidemological data.

    The substacker Eugyppius is an intelligent and level-headed analyst of COVID, both quantitatively and narratively. His recent post about the evidence of negative vaccine efficacy would be a good place to start… https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/are-the-vaccines-doomed-or-are-we

  288. @Jiminy

    Somewhere in the MSM, in recent days. it was disclosed that research somewhere or other had shown that previous exposure to cold-causing coronaviruses conferred T-cell immunity to CoViD19 on most people thus exposed. Further proof I would say that the PCR testing at high cycle thresholds had delivered a lot of false readings from viral debris, handled by T-cells.
    Moreover this research was studiously ignored, of course (we don’t want the fearful hysteria being lessened, do we)as was similar such findings at least eighteen months ago! The whole fiasco stinks to high Heaven.

  289. @geokat62

    Of course Diamond has an ‘agenda’, ‘pre-conceived’ when? You have an agenda too, so you need to support yours and criticise his. Both may be right, in parts.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  290. Wild Man says:
    @W

    I think you are inaccurately quoting my position on Trump.

    I was a reluctant Trump supporter all along (reluctant because he obviously has some narcissistic psychological issues which was super obvious right from the get-go), but the planks of his campaign platform, in 2015-2016, were on paper, vastly superior to all the other Republican candidates trying for the primary (even though there was wonky stuff in there, in his campaign, about ongoing oversized support for Israel … which I don’t agree is prudent to continue with ….. America must become neutral on Israel). So he was the choice of those such as myself that saw beyond the globalist uni-party in America (Dems + Republicans, together, have formed such uni-party, for many years now), and saw that Trump, at least on paper, represented a populist revolt against the globalist controlled uni-party, and globalism and the globalists themselves.

    The American Jewish network seem to hate this man with a passion despite his support for Israel. Ask yourself why that may be (but there are those that are so dense here, that therefore won’t find that answer on their own). My answer to that question is – ‘because of the special relationship the Jewish people have, via their ethnic patrons, which are the Jewish globalist oligarchs (punching at 100x, globalist-oligarch-wise, over what otherwise would be expected by way of normative per capita rates of oligarch ethnicity)’. Is the really another explanation that makes any sense?

    But Trump was only the leading potential path towards the prize I think we are after (a MAGAian re-invigoration of true-west). As I said in comments above, it is no longer true, imo, that Trump has any kind of a chance, to continue on that path (as he was massively played by these same globalists into a scenario that will ultimately lead to a shit-hitting-the-fan event, very soon, over these very awful experimental western covid gene therapies, with Trump as the ultimate fall-guy). We should try to ensure MAGA doesn’t die with Trump’s coming fall (that is the globalist hoped for result. F*ck them.).

  291. @DevilAdvocate

    The power of life and death makes medical psychopaths much more dangerous than those in other fields. On the other hand I did see some almost saintly doctors at work, from time to time, too. I certainly concur that ‘liberal, Western, Free Market capitalism’ selects for psychopaths.

    • Replies: @DevilAdvocate
  292. geokat62 says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    ‘pre-conceived’ when?

    1190, the year in which Moses Maimonides’ A Guide for the Perplexed was published.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  293. @Jonathan Mason

    For instance certain stories in the Bible might theoretically be falsified by archaeological research, thus proving that the Bible is not an infallible source of knowledge.

    You seem to be missing my point, which was much more limited and simple than you seem to think.

    For starters, properly understood, what I said has nothing to do with the Bible per se. You could replace the Bible with something else and the point stands. For example:

    If somebody’s “argument” is that a story must be true because it was in the BibleNew York Times, once he admits that any given BibleNew York Times story is untrue, he is admitting that his whole line of argumentation is invalid.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  294. Wokechoke says:
    @Ghali

    The population is unusually fat diabetic and old. That’s all folks.

  295. Wild Man says:
    @Cranberries

    On the western experimental covid vaxxes (really gene therapies), Unz’s position, by logic, must be of the ‘conspiracy’ type you outlined above, because he believes that sars-c0v-2 is very likely a bioweapon. Said bioweapon operation of sars-cov-2 apparently would operate by way of spike protein pathogenesis, …. and these experimental vaxxes force the expression of precisely this. Ergo …. if Mr. Unz entertains the possibility that sars-cov-2 is a bioweapon, but believes the vaxxes cannot be …. he has some explaining to do. I (and others here) over many months, have repeatedly asked Mr. Unz to better explain his position as to the conundrum I just mentioned, his position otherwise leads to. He has been asked countless times. Still crickets. Weird for a smart dude.

  296. @saggy

    Bullets pointed at individuals’ and/or their loved one’s heads will create an awful amount of bias and poor scientific rigour.

    • Replies: @Fart Blossom
  297. @mulga mumblebrain

    The power of life and death makes medical psychopaths much more dangerous than those in other fields.

    Not more dangerous than power in the hands of political leaders (and those who pull their strings behind them).

  298. Wild Man says:
    @geokat62

    I brought up the Jared Diamond thing on this thread, because Jared Diamond is Ashkenazi Jewish (as I already mentioned), yet Diamond is also a goof-Darwinist (with an undeserved reputation among our Jew-false-ideology-c0nverged Academy, as a star-Darwinist), and uses his goof-Darwinism to preach to Caucasians about ‘racism’, … yet it appears, once one unpackages his claims, that Diamond may in fact be a cryptic racist himself.

    [MORE]

    Now the kicker on all this is: …… Diamond as goof-Darwinist parading as a star-Darwinist, commits his intellectual goofdom, in glaring super-obvious ways, yet this goes right over most everyone’s heads. Diamond’s goof-Darwinism is goofy because he prescribes to the dictates of Darwinist theory (adaptations must be encoded in a biological matrix, which is the genome, lest said adaptation will not survive) when it suits him (most of the time, because after all, he is a practicing Darwinist), but when it doesn’t suit him, he says it’s pretty much all just due to environmental factors. When does it not suit him? When talking about Caucasian success. How can this stinky irrational shtick go right over Unz’s head? A Darwinist who wields the theory, only when it suits him, but then, when it doesn’t suit him, he pisses on it. And he gets Pulitzer for said pissing. Give me a break. It’s just blatantly idiotic. Too funny people like Unz don’t seem to get it. I’m not impressed.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  299. @Kratoklastes

    makes no sense unless you define a ‘true belief’ as ‘belief in a proposition that is true‘.
    How does the person having the belief know that the proposition is true?
    If he believes that the proposition is true, there is no constraint to ensure that he’s not wrong.
    He has to know the proposition is true – so why bother asserting belief? Belief is the ugly, retarded, primitive cousin of knowledge.

    I agree. In the end, only knowledge really counts.
    But my point is: there are many fields (of knowledge) which cannot be demonstrated (to others) as being true, through the usual means of either sense perception or science standards. They are “real knowledge” for some people, while all the others see it as “beliefs”, because they have not the means to assert their validity, and truthfulness, for themselves.

    Since knowledge is superior to belief, if a proposition is true it is sensible to know, rather than to believe.

    Please define sensible to know.
    This is the crux of the matter at stake.

  300. geokat62 says:
    @Wild Man

    How can this stinky irrational shtick go right over Unz’s head?

    Ron supports the ADL’s tagline that Diversity Is A Strength.

    You can’t get any more irrational than that!

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  301. @RoatanBill

    No 5 years olds aren’t buy booze now, because there are laws against it.

    In your world of no drug laws and dope-dispensing vending machines what’s to stop kids from getting hooked? It’s bad enough now with sugar.

    • Troll: RoatanBill
  302. @Badger Down

    So if we legalize all drugs, then drugs will no longer kill anyone?

    What about all the people dead from Vioxx?

  303. Wild Man says:
    @geokat62

    It’s quite hard to know where any one person stands over a whole range of issues and topics without a whole lot of back and forth (and to get anywhere interesting and of value to both parties, this whole lot of back and forth will inevitably involve a good deal of contentious friction, from time to time, as an unavoidable but unpleasant necessity, at times, nevertheless).

    [MORE]

    So geokat62, I don’t really know why “Ron supports the ADL’s tagline that Diversity Is A Strength”, as you say. I would only be guessing. Since I’m a centrist I have personal bias to that center position. As such, when forming this type of guesstimate about the probable sentiment of another person, before any back-and-forth with them on the topic, ….. I tend to start with a ‘center’ assumption or guesstimate, and then explore from there. In that vein, maybe Mr. Unz’s sentiment on diversity might be something like mine. And my sentiment on diversity goes like this: Look at it from the Darwinian perspective. There is gonna be a sweetspot of hybrid vigor attained, by way of the introduction of said diversity, which vigor cannot be obtained by other methods, which such hybrid vigor outcomes are obtained within a background of hybrid deficients, a high cost, and the matrix of hybrid vigor preponderance vs. hybrid deficients preponderance will change depending upon the interface constituents,… and furthermore, each breeding cohort (or nation) will have tendencies towards either more diversity, or less diversity, to achieve said hybrid vigor sweetspot. So maybe Mr. Unz means that??

    If I recall, you are an ethnic nationalist – right? I’m a civic nationalist. I guess I would assume Mr. Unz is a civic nationalist as well, though that is only a guess (I can’t recall him weighing in on that). Once again, I probably assume that as part of my centrist outlook and bias, and therefore strategies. I could be very wrong about that. Maybe Mr. Unz will weigh-in? Anyways – an ethnic nationalist would naturally be more sensitive to diversity issues than a civic nationalist. But as a civic nationalist and a centrist, in my view, there needs to be much better management of the diversity issues, to ensure that it’s optimum. If one gets carried away, and isn’t measuring this as to calculus of ‘hybrid-vigor advantages vs. hybrid-defecients problems to deal with’, then one may easily fall into the trap of losing the culture completely. Every culture needs to promote it’s premises and dictates, as the dominate feature in the social milieu, because any culture that doesn’t protect it’s dominant influence within it’s jurisdiction will soon not be dominant, and thus on the way out. So geokat62 …. I agree with you that diversity can easily become a soft cultural takeover, if not careful. Unfortunately, none of the western leadership in western nations seem to be measuring immigration parameters in the necessarily careful way I just outlined (this is a worry to me because I see true-west culture as the goose the lays the golden eggs of better outcomes for more people). I drilled down on this quite a few years ago now, with respect to Canada’s multicultural policies as based on Charles Taylor’s philosophy, … and found that Mr. Taylor does everything he can to avoid asking the immigration question, as to when is it too much, …. ever (and he has been handsomely rewarded for this obfuscation to the tune of several large cash prizes, I think two over \$1 million each). Canada is just making it up as it goes along on this. Who knows how it will ultimately turn out. One way of looking at it, perhaps, for a country like Canada (huge country with huge amount of uninhabited land), is …… global demographics seem to indicate that Canada will be eventually over-run by migrants, at some point in the future, anyways ….. so why not try to manage against that, by choosing now, which foreigners from all over the world, get to come (thus picking the most ambitious and most prone to liking true-west principles). I used to tell myself that maybe our Canadian leaders were going about it that way (without saying so), …. but since Camp Covidian Canada (2 years ago or so), ….. no, I don’t think that anymore. I don’t trust our leadership (in the entire west) at all at this point. All westerners have been so viciously lied to, for so long now, …… it’s impossible to extend any benefit of the doubt to the leadership on any issue, at this juncture. Its’ now always high alert, incoming BS.

    But I suppose you are right that at least with respect to the ADL’s use of the term, they mean by their ‘diversity’ promotion – ‘soft cultural takeover’. Did Mr. Unz really weigh-in, on ADL’s particular usage of ‘Diversity Is A Strength’ favorably though? That would be weird if true. I am sure Mr. Unz would know the ADL means nothing positive for true-west culture, by their use of such phrasing.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  304. @tosca

    How can still an ounce of crediblity be conveyed to the medical system’?

    Indeed.

    “Concerning those Greeks… They are a most iniquitous and intractable race, and you may take my word as the word of a prophet, when I tell you, that whenever that nation shall bestow its literature upon Rome it will mar everything; and that all the sooner, if it sends its physicians among us. They have conspired among themselves to murder all barbarians with their medicine; a profession which they exercise for [bags of money], in order that they may win our confidence,2 and dispatch us all the more easily. They are in the common habit, too, of calling us barbarians, and stigmatize us beyond all other nations, by giving us the abominable appellation of [rednecks]. I forbid you to have anything to do with physicians.

    The Natural History. Pliny the Elder. ~77-78AD Plin. Nat. 29.7
    John Bostock, M.D., F.R.S. H.T. Riley, Esq., B.A. London. Taylor and Francis, Red Lion Court, Fleet Street. 1855.

    https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0137%3Abook%3D29%3Achapter%3D7

    Although he addressed remedies and cures, I cannot yet find that he addressed the Big Pharm of his time, Big Media, or the Big Schooling rackets, but I bet he would have if they existed.

  305. Wild Man says:
    @Flying Dutchman

    You are misrepresenting what I said. Ask yourself these questions:

    In late April/20 social environment of globalist-spun hysteria could Mr. Trump had any chance of winning the 2020 election, if he had called their bluff? Did Trump test the waters around this? Who brought in Scott Atlas to provide a different perspective (though Trump should have done even more and demanded a special circumstances executive reordering of the NIH leadership so that it reported to Trump aid Scott Atlas)? Who was doing early pushback on the wonky hydroxychloroquine narrative of the time? Trump – right?

    Look …. personally if I was Trump I would have gone a different way. I woudl have called the bluff as at late April/20, taking all arrows and assaults, become completely discredited, maybe even impeached, maybe even jailed, maybe even taken-out, no chance in the 2020 election ….. as the moral thing to do.

    Trump ain’t no angel. How did you get the idea I would think along those lines.? He is politician for crissakes. It was obvious he was gonna play to win. He is a narcissist. Easy to read. And as such, he got massively played. It’s too bad. MAGA is gonna haveta regroup.

    • Agree: Emslander
  306. @bike-anarkist

    Bullets pointed at individuals’ and/or their loved one’s heads will create an awful amount of bias and poor scientific rigour.

    True.

    In their superb book, (forward by RFK, Jr.), “Plague of Corruption” Mikovits and Heckenlively describe at least two gentlemen who were shot and dumped into streams because they dared speak some uncomfortable truths relating to the vax industry.

    In chapter 3, “The Dead Doctors-What is Real?, ” they describe the stories of Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a “premier” autism specialist, who was found dead in 2015 from a gunshot to the chest and Dr. Timothy Cunningham a senior scientist who became concerned that the flu shots were killing people and was found dead in 2018. They also mention others who died under supicious circumstances as well.

    I highly recommend the book to all who want to know more about the corruption in the “scientific” world when big money and big government get their slimy hands in the pot.

  307. Olorin says:

    Just a reminder that the Sacklers’ flagship drug–for which Art Sackler became the first pharmapeddler to sell \$100m a year, earning him a spot in the Medical Advertising Hall of Fame–is skyrocketing in overdose deaths as well as contributing to other deaths, including deaths caused by falls in seniors.

    That drug–diazepam, originally trade named Valium.

    I found it unspeakably precious how, when the Sackler family was being rightly called out for its OxyContin-related mass deaths, Elizabeth Sackler–who bought herself an eponymous “feminist art” wing in the Brooklyn Museum–quickly distanced herself from her sibs and half-sibs, pointing out that she didn’t get her millions from Oxy.

    She didn’t point out, and no journo I saw made the connection, that she got it from the widely abused Valium. There are some numbers on Valium/diazepam poisonings over the years, but I haven’t seen any on this drug’s contribution to early or senior deaths via falls, car crashes, etc.

    My recollection is that Art Sackler’s second wife, Marietta Lutze Sackler, worked in the Hoffman-La Roche lab of Leo Sternbach, who identified the first benzo (Librium) in the late ’50s, then Valium in the early ’60s.

    Elizabeth Sackler was Art Sackler’s daughter by Else Jorgensen, his first wife.

    For a good time look up the connection between Art Sackler and Pfizer’s rise. He helped them figure out how to convert from a chemical to a pharma company. Today they are headed by a literal jewish veterinarian (Albert Bourla, Dr. CovVaxx) who views you as cattle to be regularly needleboosted for profit.

    • Thanks: Fart Blossom
  308. @Wild Man

    I don’t see a conundrum here.

    First, it’s not clear that spike is the primary disease agent in the COVID-infected. I understand there is evidence that suggests this, but it remains unclear. Spike pathogenesis was (publicly) discovered *after* COVID started and vax development began. And even if SARS-2 is a bioweapon, the designers need not know the mechanism of action beforehand.

    Second, let’s posit that SARS-CoV-2 IS an engineered bioweapon, with spike known to be the primary disease agent. It does not follow that the vaccine is also a bioweapon just because it also produces spike. This is for a simple reason, which is the same reason it’s possible that the vax is worse than COVID. In biology, it matters *where* a substance is expressed. It also matters what a particular biomolecule is complexed with. The vax makers have a coherent (not the same as true) story for why vax spike is not harmful. They claim that it will only be expressed in certain target tissues, and that it will be anchored to cell membranes and therefore unable to cause the damage it might in uncontrolled circulation. This sounds like overly optimistic thinking to me, but hey, a lot of these people also believe that throwing money at public schools will close racial gaps. I can totally believe they’ve invested in an overly optimistic model of genetic vax function.

    Lastly, your premise would imply almost all vaccines are bioweapons, because they too contain fragments or attenuated forms of pathogenic agents. That’s clearly not true.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  309. @Ron Unz

    In support of their contrary position, the authors noted that the various groups at high risk for “AIDS” only tended to get particular versions of the disease, with the “AIDS” suffered by hemophiliacs usually being very different from the “AIDS” of African villagers and only slightly overlapping with the diseases of gay men or intervenous drug addicts. Indeed, the pattern of “AIDS” in Africa seemed utterly divergent from that in the developed world. But if all these different illnesses were actually caused by a single HIV virus, such completely disparate syndromes would seem puzzling anomalies, difficult to explain from a scientific perspective.

    Different opportunistic organisms thrive in different environments and climates. Consider how bread-making yeasts vary in flavor in different parts of the world.

    Among the many telling points, the documentary notes that although nearly 90% of those Americans suffering from AIDS are male, HIV tests administered to our new military recruits indicate that the general rate of HIV infection in the population is equal between men and women, a very strange divergence between the illness and its alleged cause. Furthermore, the incidence rates of sexually-transmitted diseases and HIV have sharply diverged over the years, raising serious doubts about whether the virus actually follows that mode of transmission.

    No it doesn’t. The report cited below quite clearly states that there were more male than female recruits testing positive for HIV.

    Overall (January 2014–June 2019) HIV antibody seroprevalences were highest among Army reservists, Army National Guard members, and Navy reservists. Across active and reserve components of all services, HIV antibody seroprevalences continued to be higher among men than women.

    Civilian applicants

    From January 2018 through June 2019, a total of 497,673 civilian applicants for U.S. military service were tested for antibodies to HIV, and 146 applicants were identified as HIV antibody positive (seroprevalence: 0.29 per 1,000 applicants tested) (Table 1). During the surveillance period, full-year seroprevalences among applicants for service peaked in 2015 (0.34 per 1,000 tested) and then decreased during the subsequent 2 years (0.33 and 0.29 per 1,000 tested, respectively) (Table 1, Figure 1). In 2018, the seroprevalence remained stable at 0.29 per 1,000 tested.

    Throughout the surveillance period, annual HIV antibody seroprevalences among male applicants were consistently higher than among female applicants (Table 1, Figure 1). Seroprevalences were much higher among non-Hispanic blacks compared with other race/ethnicity groups (Table 2, Figure 2). During 2018, on average, 1 civilian applicant for service was detected with antibodies to HIV per 3,564 screening tests (Table 1).

    https://health.mil/-/media/Images/MHS/Photos/AFHSB-MSMR/August-2019/Article-1-Figure-1.ashx?la=en&hash=A68DB556AB5B9BB4F01463CA7C6DBC3CEC6388FF11BF76CEDFAF6B497737D603

    Furthermore, the report goes on to say:

    It is important to note that because applicants for military service are not randomly selected from the general population of U.S. young adults, seroprevalences among applicants are not directly indicative of HIV prevalences, infection rates, or trends in the U.S. civilian population. As such, relatively low prevalences of HIV among civilian applicants for military service do not necessarily indicate low prevalences or incidence rates of HIV among young adults in the U.S. in general.

    It also notes that most of the people who tested positive for HIV were African Americans.

    https://health.mil/-/media/Images/MHS/Photos/AFHSB-MSMR/August-2019/Article-1-Figure-2.ashx?la=en&hash=D56802D888CA82DA12B16677273327F93B6BC7716AFFB0F1E5523740D4ABF1C7

    Source:

    https://health.mil/News/Articles/2019/08/01/Routine-Screening-for-Antibodies?type=Fact+Sheets

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  310. @Jonathan Revusky

    No I understood your point perfectly well, but just chose to use falsification of the Bible as a historical record as a whimsical example of falsifying a hypothesis. I agree that it is a complete waste of time arguing with Jehovah’s witnesses who show up on your doorstep.

    Anyway Popper’s argument can be applied to falsification of medical orthodoxy–if you have a better understanding of the causes of AIDS, then let’s see your treatment results.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  311. @Cranberries

    Yes, Eugyppius is one of the sources I’ve been recommending. Interestingly, he’s relatively non-conspiratorial and indeed very explicitly so, arguing in several posts for something not much past the middle position. Most of his commenters and I don’t really buy that, though most don’t go anywhere near full-conspiracy, still trying to work out how much conspiracy is involved and being cautious about it, as I’d say are most of the Covid policy skeptic commenters here on Unz.

    • Replies: @Random Anonymous
  312. @Wild Man

    If one wanted to get really paranoid, one could speculate that the Covid vaccine fiasco was designed as such, to prime the populace to resist government (or other) measures against a coming second bioweapon, one that would actually kill a lot of people. Not that I believe that, but it’s game theory and 5-D chess all the way down…

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  313. Ron Unz says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    No it doesn’t. The report cited below quite clearly states that there were more male than female recruits testing positive for HIV.

    Thanks, that’s interesting. But remember, the documentary making that claim was produced in 1996, and apparently the sex-ratio were very different back then. With ten seconds of Googling, I located a 1990 WashPost article containing the following passage:

    A new study of military recruits suggests that American teenagers are more likely to be infected with the Human Immunodeficiency Virus that causes AIDS than previously thought and that teenage girls are contracting the disease at similar rates to boys.

    The study of blood drawn from 1.1 million adolescents who sought enlistment from October 1985 to March 1989 found that 1 in every 3,000 applicants tested positive for HIV. Of those tested, according to the report by researchers from the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research, 345 males and 48 females were infected.

    The researchers, led by Col. Donald S. Burke, found that the gender gap among teenage applicants was narrower than other data suggest. Among adult AIDS patients, men have vastly outnumbered women, by a ratio of 9.3 to 1. Among teenagers with AIDS, males outnumber females 4 to 1. But in the study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, the ratio of HIV-infected adolescent males and females was 1.09 to 1.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/wellness/1990/04/24/female-recruits-get-aids-at-same-rate-as-males/8f256846-e91f-4622-8c1c-d9e1acc4d8e1/

    Offhand, it’s not obvious to me why the ratios would have changed so dramatically since then, under either the orthodox or the Duesberg framework.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  314. Mr. Anon says:

    Are there any other viruses that target the immune system itself? HIV does have a remarkable life-cycle. It is primarily spread by sexual contact (I’m excluding IV drug use as that is only a recent factor in human/pathogen ecology), yet it primarily attacks the immune system, specifically T-cells. You might think that attacking the immune system itself would be a useful adaptation in a pathogen and expect more viruses to do it. But perhaps not.

  315. @Zachary Smith

    Re:

    Mr. Unz ought to have ended this long essay right after the Vioxx part.

    I think the point of this article is to say that if everything the author thought he knew about ‘AIDS’ turned out to be wrong, then everything he thought he knew about public health and modern medicine might also be wrong – and therefore, it’s a good idea to be skeptical and keep an open mind.

    As a gay man, discovering I was living a lie about AIDS and HIV took quite a bit of time to digest for myself- more than the month and a half Ron has been studying this issue. Judging by his article, he gravitated toward quality sources. When ‘Corona’ hit, I was mentally prepared to understand it within the context of the AIDS deception – something that for most people will require a shift.

    Corona is a tautology just like AIDS:
    poztest + pneumonia = Covid
    negtest + pneumonia = pneumonia
    poztest +healthy = Covid
    negtest + healthy = healthy

    Well, then you get the logical fallacy:
    Poztest+ pneumonia = poztest + healthy
    therefore: pneumonia = healthy

    About ‘Covid’ – Willa Cather said: “if you give them a new name, they’ll think they have a new fact”

  316. Mr. Anon says:

    Ordinarily, the presence of anti-bodies means that you have been exposed to a disease and mounted a defence against it. That defence may or may not be successful. Often a person will have some level of anti-bodies even after the virus has been cleared from the body.

    With HIV, the anti-bodies themselves are often used as the determinant of whether someone has the virus. I don’t know if PCR tests are used to look for specific sequences of the virus itself. Even if that is the case, the recent experience with SARS-COV-2 and Mullis’s own reservations about that raise some questions.

    However, even within the establishment picture of HIV/AIDS, wouldn’t there be some people who carry the anti-bodies yet do not have the virus, because their body successfully fought it off before it could take hold? HIV is relatively difficult to transmit. That suggests that it must frequently be defeated by the bodies own defences (before it has a chance to undermine those same defences). One would then expect to see some people, perhaps many people, with anti-bodies but no virus.

    Is that the case? If not, why?

  317. @Zachary Smith

    I can tell you exactly how nobel laureate Walter Gilbert came to doubt the HIV/AIDS Hypothesis:

    As a Harvard professor, he had engaged a research assistant named Neenyah Oostram. Oostram was later engaged by Charles Ortleb of the gay interest newspaper New York Native to write about AIDS and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Ortleb had started to doubt HIV in 1984 when he caught Epidemic Intelligence Service officer Donald Francis in a lie – and it appears the CDC’s original plan was to feed the disinformation that made it into Crewdson’s “science fictions” (Crewdson was a long-time CIA reporter) to Ortleb – this was all about the “Gallo stole the virus from Montagnier” backstory that has the same red-herring function as the “lab leak” backstory in the Covid psyop.

    Oostram went to Gilbert at Harvard for her own reporting, and he started questioning HIV based on the information he was furnished by his trusted friend and former research assistant. Oostram put Gilbert into contact with John Rappoport who was a reporter for an alternative weekly in San Jose and for the Oakland Tribune who started quoting Gilbert when Rappoport was reporting on Duesberg – this was in 1987 before the hatchet came down hard. Also, Gilbert was a friend of Charlie Thomas who was a Harvard Biochemistry professor who funded the Stephen Allen film from his own personal inherited fortune. Gilbert’s position on Duesberg is very fairly presented in Duesberg’s own book.

    Stepping back, what you see is a clear break between university scientists tenured around 1970 – pre 1970, they are independent and supporting Duesberg. Tenured post 1970- they are controlled by intelligence agencies and forced to spout a lie in the AIDS psyop.

    • Thanks: Truth Vigilante
    • Replies: @acementhead
  318. @geokat62

    Do you have ANY evidence that Diamond is a devotee of the Rambam, or any other Talmudist authority? All I see in Diamond is an argument for avoiding ecological collapse through unhindered economic expansion, and a few pretty unarguable observations regarding European expansionism.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  319. Wild Man says:
    @Cranberries

    This link should clear up the various misconceptions contained in your 2nd and 3rd paragraphs:

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=244774

    As to your 4th paragraph:

    “Lastly, your premise would imply almost all vaccines are bioweapons, because they too contain fragments or attenuated forms of pathogenic agents. That’s clearly not true.”

    No, …. my premise would imply that an engineered viral bioweapon may possibly, in special circumstances, implicate a vaccine developed for said engineered viral bioweapon, as also a bioweapon. The special circumstances would be the one whereby the mode of pathogenesis for the engineered viral bioweapon is the mode chosen for vaccine expression. For the western experimental vaxxes, this special circumstance holds.

    Thus, the conundrum, and Mr. Unz’s continued silence on this front, both do stand as issues.

  320. @Wild Man

    You wrote:

    the planks of his [Trump’s] campaign platform, in 2015-2016, were on paper, vastly superior to all the other Republican candidates

    That statement above is true – as far as comparison to the ‘establishment’ GOP candidates (like ‘low energy’ Jeb and ‘Little Marco) are concerned.

    The same could not be said for GOP candidate Rand Paul – who was head an shoulders better than Trump on everything.

    In any case, it matters little. That’s because Trump never intended to honour any of his commitments (like reinvestigating 9/11 and telling us ‘who really did it’).

    We now know, with TOTAL certainty, that Trump always was nothing more than Controlled Opposition – an out and out Zio sock puppet.

    Trump is nicely summed up by a prominent physician that’s been at the forefront in exposing the Covid Scamdemic:

    Trump’s presidency was a pre-psyop to kick off the planned pandemic and woo the conservative followers into accepting mRNA vaccinations. His acting paid off. Despite proof that Trump’s past political views were liberal, and his tight friendships with collectivists, like the Clintons, were many, Trump seduced half of America to believe that he had a change of heart. His actions contradicted his numerous and repetitive speeches that promised he would make “America great again.” The conservative camp fell under his spell and refused to make him accountable.

    The pandemic was birthed under Trump’s presidency. He permitted constant violations of civil rights, ignored federal law, and closed his eyes to medical know-how by allowing inhumane lockdowns, forced business closures, and unhealthy mask wearing. He quickly introduced Operation Warp Speed to facilitate and accelerate development, manufacturing, and distribution of the Covid-19 vaccines. He wrongfully activated the military to participate in administering the vaccines on American soil (he did this because the military is running the psyop and funding the vaccine companies).

    Trump did not make America great again. Under his administration the United States lost its freedoms, and sunk into a battlefield of division, oppression and lawlessness. His only success as a president was his cunning knack in seducing the minds of his audience.

    …. from the article ‘Covid-19: A Psychological Military Operation, Part I’ by Dr. Igor Shepherd.

    • Agree: Francis Miville
    • Replies: @Francis Miville
    , @Wild Man
  321. Wild Man says:
    @Random Anonymous

    Yeah …. I find this all rather dystopian because all this constant lying to the populace about so so many things, for years and years now (I think I provided a big list here weeks and weeks ago now, of the lies ….. it’s probably something like 50 or so lies, many many of which have been covid lies … if I recall my sub-list on the covid lies was 11 or 12 before I lost interest in even identifying any more of them …. its’ all just so dreary and tedious) has engendered very low trust in the leadership, by people like me.

    It’s like we live at the Psycho’s Funhouse amusement at the state fair. Don’t get lost in The Hall of Mirrors. It’s incoming BS 24/7.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  322. niceland says:
    @Wild Man

    My views towards Icelandic health officials haven’t changed.
    And while the vaccines provide little if any protection against infection or transmission they do indeed provide considerable, even good protection against serious outcomes from covid disease.

    This is easy to see when over half of hospitalizations from covid disease come from our small group of unvaxxed, probably less than 10% of the population. Last week we had 7 people in ICU – 6 of them unvaxxed. After the main vaxx campaign last summer – death rate from covid dropped like stone.

    The main focus over here is on our main hospital, it’s in crisis mode after the new Omikron variant spread like wildfire and Delta isn’t gone yet either. So it’s easy to understand why our doctors and health officials keep pressuring vaccines, booster shots etc. That’s their job description and what they believe is the correct thing to do.

    I think they would benefit from reading Robert Kennedy’s book and Mr Unz articles. And the verdict is possibly still out – was it all worth it? (like vaccinating young children) This is very difficult to access right now. Long covid exists and we honestly don’t know how serious it is. And much about side effects from these new vaccines is unclear.

  323. @Random Anonymous

    For example, this recent article.

    I don’t deny that there are many bad actors scattered across our governments, and that these bad actors coordinate, plan and conspire. The question, is not whether there are conspiracies, or whether these policies benefit our oligarchic elites, or whether I’ve looked into Event 201. The question, is what is the dominant force driving containment and universal vaccination right now.

    The one thing I want to convey here, more than anything else, is the complexity and extent of modern western governments. These are unbelievably elaborate systems, and they are not easily controlled or understood by individuals or confined groups…

    As for plans and conspiracies, there two of them which played a huge part in making what should have been a middle-of-the-road pandemic influenza-type event into a worldwide catastrophe:

    1) There is, firstly, the decades-long retooling of biodefence planning and preparedness into pandemic planning and preparedness… Our benevolent public health authorities and their allies in academia suddenly became deeply interested in pandemics… this entire network of think tanks, schemers and philanthropic organisations had begun to represent a truly dangerous threat to our economies and societies.

    2) Then, secondly, there is the specific role of shadowy actors, mostly from mainland China, in promoting mass containment after January 2020… [I don’t know anything about the Event 201 he discusses here.]

    So yes, the inception of this involved a lot of planning. Now, however, the initiators are no longer in the driver’s seat. They shouted fire in a theatre and caused a stampede to the exits; the crowd will continue to rush out whatever anybody does.

  324. @Jonathan Mason

    No I understood your point perfectly well, but just chose to use falsification of the Bible as a historical record as a whimsical example of falsifying a hypothesis. I agree that it is a complete waste of time arguing with Jehovah’s witnesses who show up on your doorstep.

    Well, maybe you did understand my point. However, yet again, anybody reading what you say would infer that you think I was talking about religion. I wasn’t.

    Aside from that, I really think it is unfair to compare Ron Unz to Jehovah’s witnesses. The Jehovah’s witnesses actually believe the silly things they are saying.

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  325. @niceland

    Doesn’t that dilemma as you’ve framed it call for application of the Precautionary Principle, embodied in standard, multi-phase, fulsome trials on animals and willing people?

    Yet the Establishment and dempanicked won’t condone those of us whose position is, “No, not yet.”

  326. @Ron Unz

    Among the many telling points, the documentary notes that although nearly 90% of those Americans suffering from AIDS are male, HIV tests administered to our new military recruits indicate that the general rate of HIV infection in the population is equal between men and women, a very strange divergence between the illness and its alleged cause.

    Least strange divergence in the world. Gay men were banned from joining the military. It is doubtless that this would reduce the number of gay men, apart from closet cases escaping small towns by their only known method. Meanwhile women in the military, especially back then, tended to be extremely promiscuous.

    He notes that substantial numbers of the young military enlistees who annually test positive for HIV grew up in small rural towns that are hardly likely to be AIDS hotbeds, and suggests that their mothers be tested for the virus, which is known to be transmitted to the newborn.

    Closet cases are most likely to leave their home towns and end up confusedly stumbling into the big city bath house.

    In support of their contrary position, the authors noted that the various groups at high risk for “AIDS” only tended to get particular versions of the disease, with the “AIDS” suffered by hemophiliacs usually being very different from the “AIDS” of African villagers and only slightly overlapping with the diseases of gay men or intervenous drug addicts.

    Suppressed immune systems will result in different diseases in different conditions, in different countries and at different ages. Exactly as non-compromised immune systems also result in difference diseases in different conditions, in different countries and at different ages.

    But this is all ridiculous. We have treatments for AIDS that counter the HIV virus and work exceptionally well. We also have drugs that work as a prophylactic and also work exceptionally well. Duesberg et al were extremely wrong and events in the last 20 years have confirmed that beyond all doubt. This is just yet another example of your inability to think past “gee, well there were some doubts in the past, so because people now have no patience for doubts, those doubts must be suppressed and it is a conspiracy against poor old Ron Unz.” When actually it is just that the conversation has moved on and you no longer understand it.

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  327. Ron Unz says:
    @niceland

    And while the vaccines provide little if any protection against infection or transmission they do indeed provide considerable, even good protection against serious outcomes from covid disease.

    This is easy to see when over half of hospitalizations from covid disease come from our small group of unvaxxed, probably less than 10% of the population. Last week we had 7 people in ICU – 6 of them unvaxxed. After the main vaxx campaign last summer – death rate from covid dropped like stone.

    Thanks for your extremely useful empirical information about Iceland’s vaccination experience.

    One major uncertainty in America is that our media and ruling elites these days are so dishonest, corrupt, and incompetent it’s sometimes difficult to be sure what’s really happening. It’s easy to become so “conspiratorial” that we discount all the information we receive, and begin to suspect that our elites are outright malicious.

    Fortunately, Iceland is sufficiently small and homogeneous that your elites are very unlikely to be totally misaligned with their own population, nor could they effectively conceal important local developments. They might obviously be misled on broader issues by the global Western MSM, but they would certainly know what was actually happening in their own country, especially since the global media pays so little attention to it. And you’ve always been a very solid and level-headed Icelandic informant, so I tend to trust everything you’re saying about your own country.

    Your description of the situation in Iceland very closely matches my own Covid/vaxxing framework, but it’s very nice to have it strongly reinforced by such a credible firsthand source.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    , @Mark Hunter
  328. JackOH says:
    @Ron Unz

    One major uncertainty in America is that our media and ruling elites these days are so dishonest, corrupt, and incompetent it’s sometimes difficult to be sure what’s really happening. It’s easy to become so “conspiratorial” that we discount all the information we receive, and begin to suspect that our elites are outright malicious.

    Yes.

    It makes a significant difference, at least in my book, whether a particular government or corporate behavior stems from ignorance or honest error, or sinister motives, such as intent to deceive or to draw in potential big-ticket bribes (viz., regulatory capture).

    From a reasonably honest citizen’s point of view, I guess there’s a real peril of paralysis by analysis, or the embracing of unsupported “conspiracy” theories, which to me seems an admission of complete disempowerment and futility, or supporting those arthritically mainstream “controlled opposition” groups that feebly “manage the damage”.

  329. @Ron Unz

    Thanks, that’s interesting. But remember, the documentary making that claim was produced in 1996, and apparently the sex-ratio were very different back then. With ten seconds of Googling, I located a 1990 WashPost article containing the following passage:

    Ron, you are living in the past and your documentary is also from the very early days of AIDS.

    The medical profession is very backwards in IT, and still uses faxes widely, but in other respects it has moved on a bit in the last 25 years.

    Did your documentary mention the racial breakdown of the people who were testing positive back then?

    You have this notion that a quarter century ago a lot of corn-fed farm boys and girls were testing positive for HIV when they tried to join the army to be all that they could be.

    Imagine the remake of this commercial where the sergeant says: “Son there is one more thing, congratulations on your negative HIV test!” and then the little jingle “Join the armee, if you be HIV free.”

    I also suggest that when you talk to some “doctor friends” about AIDS and Duesberg, that instead of talking to retired doctors at the country club, you speak to physicians who are actively engaged in treating people who are HIV positive or have AIDS, or active researcher in 2021.

    You are starting to sound like Donald Trump who was always saying things like “I don’t know, but my people are telling me the moon may be made of green cheese” but never identifying the sources of presidential astronomical advice.

    You are a nationally known journalist and author who once ran for high office, so like a kind of Boris Johnson in reverse, so you should be able to get access to creditable sources in the global pandemic both within and outside the US.

    https://www.avert.org/professionals/hiv-around-world/eastern-europe-central-asia/russia

    Perhaps you sympathize with Duesberg, because you feel the California establishment has treated you the same way and not taken you seriously?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  330. Wokechoke says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Women in the military testing HIV poz likely to be urban black women.

  331. @JackOH

    That sounds good, but it’s abstract.

    If I remember correctly, you were hesitant for a while last year, but then, after deciding to be injected, dismissive of those who weren’t. I asked about that, but am pretty sure that you never replied to my last comment in our exchange.

    So what’s your current take and status on injections, including boosters?

  332. geokat62 says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Do you have ANY evidence that Diamond is a devotee of the Rambam, or any other Talmudist authority?

    I referred back to the Great Eagles’ Guide for the Perplexed because he was the first to insist that anti-Semitism isn’t genetic, it was cultural. Since it was taught from one generation to the next, the challenge was to change what the next generation was taught.

    I’m convinced that most Jewish scholars are well versed in the Rambam’s teachings. Diamond, like Boas, insisting that race is a social construct is a strong indicator he was well versed in Maimonides’ teachings.

    “Ye shall know them by their fruits.”

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  333. @niceland

    Niceman wrote:

    And while the vaccines provide little if any protection against infection or transmission they do indeed provide considerable, even good protection against serious outcomes from covid disease.

    Yeah sure – tell that to the countless number of previously healthy young people who were at NO RISK from Covid, who now have myocarditis and pericarditis heart conditions that will likely lead to their premature demise in the coming years (not to mention the many that have already dropped dead).

    So much for ‘good protection’ provided by these experimental gene therapies that are masquerading as vaccines.

    Niceman, why do you repeat the talking points from Big Pharma and the corrupt western health bureaucracies by saying that these ‘vaccines’ provide ‘considerable/good protection against serious Covid disease’ ?

    I have seen NO independently verified confirmation that these ‘vaccines’ provide ANY protection of note relative to the unvaccinated.

    And, your remarks that hospitalisations in your country are disproportionately among the unvaccinated flys in the face of data from nearly every other country in the world which clearly shows that the vaccinated are the bulk of the hospitalised.

    [MORE]

    Let’s go deeper still and look at how ‘vaccinated’ is defined in your country.

    I’m aware that Iceland, like Israel, is one of the most vaccinated places on the planet and amongst the first to be double (and triple) jabbed with the booster.

    I assume that the third (booster) jab has long been available in your part of the world and that many in your country have had it. Is that correct ?
    And, does your country define ‘fully vaxxed’ as someone who’s had the third (booster) jab ?

    Meanwhile, after having been single or double jabbed, many are now experiencing ‘buyers remorse’ after observing adverse reactions among family and friends or contracting Covid after being promised that they wouldn’t.
    Isn’t it just possible that these single and double jabbed contingent are clogging up the hospitals after experiencing a vaccines adverse reaction, which appears in the statistics as an unvaxxed Covid case ?

    Similarly, we know that the Pfizer vaxx is administered with two jabs, roughly one month apart.
    And, an individual is still classified as unvaxxed until two weeks has elapsed after the second jab (because Big Pharma claims that it takes two weeks after the second jab for the vaccine to ‘kick in’ and become effective).

    In other words, if someone comes down with Covid or suffers a severe adverse reaction to the vaccines in that 6-7 week period between the first jab and the second jab being deemed ‘effective’, said individual is classified as being unvaccinated and artificially bumps up the stats for this latter group.

    Niceman, doesn’t this OBVIOUS chicanery and distortion of the statistics concern you ?

    The people of Iceland are, from what I’ve observed from afar, very likely a decent and honest bunch when viewed as a collective.

    But, as in the western nations, the cabal behind the Covid Psyop need only capture a select handful of corrupt politicians and health bureaucrats in your country to pull off this hoax.

    Is it beyond the realm of possibility to suggest that perhaps, just PERHAPS, this is in fact what has transpired in your country and that you’ve been conned like the rest of the western world ?

    • Agree: Mehen
  334. geokat62 says:
    @Wild Man

    And my sentiment on diversity goes like this: Look at it from the Darwinian perspective. There is gonna be a sweetspot of hybrid vigor attained, by way of the introduction of said diversity…

    Ah, yes. The golden sweet-spot!

    So, what would you say is the sweet spot in terms of what the upper limit should be in terms of the percentage of the population that is not part of the core demographic? In the context of European and European-derived countries, we’re talking about non-Europeans.

    [MORE]

    At what level of non-European immigration do these Western countries become nonfunctional?

    1%, 5%, 10%, 25%, 50%?

    The good news is that an organisation, the SPLC, was keenly interested in tracking these demographic trends.

    So interested, in fact, that one of their directors, Mark Potok, pinned a post it note on his office wall:

    A bit of background may be helpful in interpreting the numbers on that post it note. Prior to Jewish Supremacist Organisations (JSOs) pushing for unrestricted immigration legislation, the Hart-Celler Act in 1965, the United States had a demographic core that was 90% of European origin.

    The last year Potok recorded was 2015, noting the non-Hispanic white population had dropped to 62%.

    We were just informed that for the first time in America’s history, the white population had actually contracted (rather than increased) in absolute numbers.

    According to 2018 US Census Bureau estimates, California’s population was just 37% non-Hispanic white.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_California

    That was four years ago.

    Have we departed from the sweet spot, yet?

    Wild Man you’ve noted I’m an ethno-nationalist and that you’re a civic-nationalist.

    The whole concept of civic-nationalism is a new one. Before the 20th century, everyone subscribed to ethno-nationalism. It was JSOs who pushed to make the untenable concept of civic-nationalism more palatable to homogeneous societies. I wonder why? Have you been to London, lately? Here’s a clue:

    Friday rush hour. Euston station [in London]. Who’s here? Who isn’t. A kaleidoscope of skin colours. The world in one terminus. Barbara Roche can see it over the rim of her cup of Americano coffee. “I love the diversity of London,” she tells me. “I just feel comfortable.” (Hideously Diverse Britain: The immigration ‘conspiracy’, The Guardian, 2nd March 2011)

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/03/11/roche-motel-revisited-the-comfort-of-an-atomized-society/

    Did Mr. Unz really weigh-in, on ADL’s particular usage of ‘Diversity Is A Strength’ favorably though?

    The best evidence we have on record regarding Ron’s views on the ADL’s tagline that Diversity Is A Strength is this quote he made in favour granting illegal aliens amnesty:

    Most Californians view illegal immigrants as unwanted house guests. One very effective means of getting rid of such guests is to set your house on fire and burn it to the ground. This is Proposition 187’s solution to illegal immigration. It would be a financial and social disaster for California, and the worst moral disaster for our state since the internment of Japanese Americans. No decent Californian should support it.

    http://www.ronunz.org/1994/10/03/against-prop-187/

    Bottom Line: Ron just feels comfortable.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  335. Emslander says:
    @Kratoklastes

    Belief is the ugly, retarded, primitive cousin of knowledge.

    Socrates said that there is no knowledge. All assertions are opinion, he said. I assume that opinion is like belief.

    The Oracle at Delphi supported his statement. When asked who the most intelligent man in the world was, it declared, “Socrates is the most intelligent man in the world, because he knows that he knows nothing.”

    I don’t think anyone asked about women.

  336. @Truth Vigilante

    Thanks for some good questions prompted by critical thinking.

  337. Percival says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    I think part of this is that Americans are enamored of the idea of not having to change their unhealthy behavior

    It’s part of the American materialist mindset that there are solutions to every problem and that suffering is not an essential part of life.

    • Agree: Emslander
  338. Ron Unz says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    You have this notion that a quarter century ago a lot of corn-fed farm boys and girls were testing positive for HIV when they tried to join the army to be all that they could be.

    One reason I have that “notion” is because I found a Washington Post article quoting a study from the Journal of the American Medical Association saying exactly that, with equal numbers of HIV-positive male and female American military enlistees. If you can explain why the study was incorrect, go ahead and do so.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  339. Ron Unz says:

    The co-author of Duesberg’s long book was his former doctoral student Bryan Ellison, and after a couple of publishers broke their contracts to release the book, Ellison decided to self-publish it, leading to a break with Duesberg and an unfortunate subsequent lawsuit.

    Someone brought to my attention a 1995 lecture by Ellison that runs almost two hours and covers much of the book’s material. He comes across as quite credible and persuasive, and I’d strongly recommend it for those without the time or inclination to read the book itself:

  340. @Johnny Smoggins

    I think so. Alcohol had done its time.

  341. Emslander says:
    @Wild Man

    I spent a lot of time working for government, at almost every level, State, Federal, Local. Someone had the audacity to ask me one time what I did for the governments. I had to think of a good one-line summary, and this is what came to mind:

    “I supported, drafted and issued lies to the public.”

    I stand by that.

    • Thanks: Wild Man
  342. Alfred says:
    @Sepp

    McCullough has been very honest about this criminal suppression, but Yeadon and Malone much less so.

    Far from it. Here is Yeadon. It seems he left the UK because he felt his life is in danger.



    Video Link

  343. Rurik says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    I have seen NO independently verified confirmation that these ‘vaccines’ provide ANY protection of note relative to the unvaccinated.

    curious, I thought I’d poke around a bit

    this has for a chart for active cases from the highly vaccinated Iceland

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/iceland/

    then I sought for a chart for active cases from the least vaccinated country, which like Iceland, is also an island.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/haiti/

    Not sure of the significance of that, but perhaps there is some.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  344. @Truth Vigilante

    I perfectly agree. Some say that the plandemic was launched to thwart a certain Trump re-election, as he had just come out clean of two impeachment lawsuits filed against him about Russian involvement in his unexpected victory of 2016. Nothing can be further from the truth.

    [MORE]
    Trump had disappointed to the utmost the desperate American workers who had only given him a try as the Dems had for so long turned out to be nothing more than diet Republicans, and it just turned out that Trump’s financial policy was just Reagan on steroids : further tax breaks for the millionaires and billionaires to be paid for by the debt bequeathed to the following generations. Trump knew that these workers who had just given a try would not consent to be fooled twice and that he was never to recover his winning margin of 2016, and that all he could do was to consolidate his personality cult basis up to a glass ceiling at 42% (45% including people voting Trump by hostility to the US) by a religious argumentation only : he could not go beyond the reach of heavy-duty Evangelism and Prosperity Gospel. Wherever the argument as to him being a new Cyrus the Great did not reach, he could not convince anybody to vote for him. Trump was perfectly informed of the fact from early 2019 onwards and that translated into his loser’s body language.

    Trump come out clean of impeachment about Russia for one single reason : the Russians that helped him most including Putin also had Israeli passports or Chabad Lubavitch acquaintances and the Russian operation was masterminded in Israel : that could not be said, this would have instantly turned the Democratic Party’s own woke basis into one of the most antisemitic task force ever. Trump’s victory was, actually, a direct intervention of Israel into the US interior politics bypassing even the most ardently Zionist local media elite to name themselves their own governor so as to remind them they were no longer a sovereign state, that Israel exerted veto right upon any employment in the US however meritoriously Zionist the winner, and that their own brains were no longer in demand, only their heart brawn, as they would be now more and more like any South American or African Zionist colony. Hence the utter panic attack the MSM voiced towards Trump : the sudden realization that their job too could be outsourced to cheap intellectual labour countries if they didn’t toe to the Israeli line close enough and that their brain power was no longer needed. They had to prove they were more religious and unthinking in their own way than the Zionist churches.

    When the powers that be that the Trump cult was stupid enough to pardon absolutely everything to their Messiah, even his abandonment of Julian Assange, they concluded that the US had ceased to be a first world country and could be treated scot free like Congo where facts no longer matter to everyone nor any semblance of logic : the time was ripe to launch the plandemic.

  345. @Wild Man

    Jewish Israeli, Russian and Indian citizens love him with a passion and cry his demise with a passion, together with that suffered by Bibi, that’s all that counts. Jews outside the US no longer want to identify with any form of left or care for the underdog however fake. They want to stand out as the eternal ruling class installed by their creator God since creation day and having been promised to whole earth, not so much that tiny piece of land in the ME.

  346. @Ron Unz

    Ron! Was this article in this morning’s Washington Post, or was it in a Washington Post article of 30 years ago.

    Newspapers are ephemera. We read them one day, and the next day we crumple them to pack a cardboard box or use them to start a fire.

    Do you really think you are going to get state of the art knowledge about AIDS by perusing The Washington Post of 30 years ago?

    You are looking for truth in all the wrong places!

    You have been given plenty of explanations and now you are getting desperate. Why not be a man and admit that you were wrong?

    Did you know that many science textbooks of 30 years ago have had to be rewritten because there is new knowledge?

    Of course this changing in scientific knowledge could be all a conspiracy to make more money for textbook authors and publishers, and if we can find a couple of Nobel prize for literature winners to support that point of view, then maybe we have an argument.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Emslander
  347. @Truth Vigilante

    I have seen NO independently verified confirmation that these ‘vaccines’ provide ANY protection of note relative to the unvaccinated.

    What exactly do you mean by that? What would count for you as independently verified? And how much have you looked?

    I’ve been a pretty strong Covid policy skeptic based on the analyses from sources I’ve been recommending. But nearly all of them agree that the ‘vaccines’ appear to provide some protection of note relative to the unvaccinated. In fact, they use that data to show that vaccine efficacy appears to decline and become negative, meaning that eventually you’re MORE likely to get Covid if you’ve been vaccinated than not. Perhaps they’ve been taking the veracity of the data too much for granted, but do you have any real argument for that, particularly any quantitative one?

    I do agree that the numbers are rigged somewhat by counting people as unvaxed until some time after their second shot or booster, though.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
    , @Truth Vigilante
  348. Ron Unz says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Do you really think you are going to get state of the art knowledge about AIDS by perusing The Washington Post of 30 years ago?

    Reality doesn’t change over the decades.

    According to the JAMA study reported by the Post, male and female HIV infections in the youthful American population were approximately equal around 1990. But 90% of AIDS cases around then were male. That seems to severely challenge the orthodox framework.

    Given the tens of thousands of AIDS researchers funded by the establishment, they presumably published numerous academic papers explaining that apparent discrepancy, which you can easily locate. If they didn’t and you can’t, that raises very troubling questions.

    • Agree: Mehen
  349. @niceland

    I doubt Long Covid exists, but your observations on how the vaccinated fare better than the unvaccinated are confirmed in every country.

  350. @geokat62

    I suppose the corollary is that Jewishness is cultural, not racial. ‘Antisemitism’, history tells us, grows out of lived experience, not necessarily social conditioning and indoctrination. It’s complicated and dynamic, but ‘antigoyism’ does seem inherent to Judaic belief.

  351. @Jonathan Revusky

    My grandfather, who knew the Bible, back to front, in English, French and Spanish, would invite early US ‘missionaries’, mostly Mormons, inside for tea and talk. They left somewhat chastened by the experience.

  352. @niceland

    The medical voices raised against the experimental gene therapy injections are NOT ‘antivaxxers’. They merely ask why the usual practises of public health, ie ‘vaccinate’ and otherwise protect the vulnerable, ie the elderly and the co-morbid, was NEVER the object, but rather mass injection of experimental drugs never before used, on ALL the population, including those at NO real risk from the disease. And enforced with the threat of job loss, social amenity loss, monetary fines and imprisonment in one’s home.
    To accomplish that mass injection project an atmosphere of HYSTERICAL fear has been induced in the population by the MSM vermin, the ‘medical authorities’, all LONG corrupted by BigPharma and other medical-industrial complex moneys, have behaved ABOMINABLY, even denying immunity after infection etc, and ALL previous bedrocks of medical bio-ethics, based on the Nuremberg, Helsinki and UNESCO principles, that state that medical interventions must NOT be made compulsory, have been tossed aside. And, concurrently, ALL dissent, even from the most respected figures, has been suppressed in a totalitarian exercise of media power.
    Moreover, information concerning the huge number of vaccine adverse reactions, that make the ‘vaxxes’ more dangerous that the disease for a majority of the population, have also been ruthlessly suppressed. Safe, highly effective and cheap early interventions like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin have been similarly ruthlessly suppressed with campaigns of lying, slander, faked research and character assassination, all while the ‘vaccines’ have proved next to useless to stop transmission and infection (contrary to initial assurances by ‘experts’ like Rachel Madcow)and we only have the assurances of the criminals in charge that they reduce morbidity and mortality in the vulnerable. And we are now to get yet further injections of mRNA every THREE months,what-forever? Do tell-of your tragically ICU bound patients, what are their ages and co-morbidities, and when were they last injected?

  353. Wild Man says:
    @geokat62

    Thank-you for the reply.

    Alright – as I suspected Mr. Unz didn’t actually bless the ADL’s particular twisted use of the term ‘Diversity Is A Strength’, though I interpret the 1994 article you linked on Unz’s views on California’s Proposition 187 of that era, as Mr. Unz being a realist on the worldwide demographic facts (immigrants, legal or otherwise, tend to hail from places that don’t have social safety nets like the U.S.), and being a semi-realist as to the limits of one state’s ability to effect federal immigration policy.

    [MORE]

    Obviously the problem is that the federal government has refused to enforce it’s immigration policy. This has been going on for decades and decades. It seems to me that Mr. Unz is indicating just that, by way of the 1994 article’s conclusion. If the federal government enacts immigration policies, that it does not enforce (or enforced piecemeal and willy-nilly), then the individual states affected by this refusal of federal responsibility, are left with dealing with the consequence of that. I agree that the totalitarian measures outlined in the proposition were preposterous and Mr. Unz is not off-base saying so (do I need to remind anyone of this, really, given the gross contempt being visited upon the entire citizenry by our current moronic covid totalitarianism?). Yet enforcement of federal immigration polices, or course, must be of the ‘coercion’ variety, on some level …. otherwise all we get is this refusal of federal responsibility, and passing the buck to the States as to the consequences of that. So at what level, should federal immigration policy coercion, act? I think it has to be at the employer level. It should be illegal to hire an illegal immigrant. Companies that do, should be assessed huge and punishing fines when found out. It’s supply and demand. Reduce the demand for this illegal labor and said labor pool will begin to dry up. I’m not sure what Mr. Unz would say about that. I would be surprised if he thinks that there should be absolutely no coercive action of any kind to enforce federal immigration policy (because that is the central problem and so cannot be left unaddressed if anyone hopes things to change on this front). As well, I would wonder, as to the Mr. Unz of 1994, why he wouldn’t see that, a better solution as to any individual State passing propositions and such, to address immigration enforcement (because the feds won’t act), …. why not just institute the ’employer very high-fines punishment’, for employing illegal immigrants, as the in-state solution? Why couldn’t that work at the State level?

    geokat62 – you make very good points as to ‘what is the immigration sweetspot as informed by hyrbrid vigor dynamics’. I don’t know. It seems no one does. That was one of the points I was making (though perhaps I was not clear enough) ….., but to restate said sentiment, – our western leaders don’t seem to be in the business of even asking the question, and it’s smoke and mirrors, because in places like Canada, the multicultural policies are based on the philosophical work of a very charming man, …. this Charles Taylor, …. and he had mastered the craft of philosophical misdirection to the point that he doesn’t have to answer that question, and is very very well-rewarded for being such ideological obfuscator ( I suppose he is a globalist’s ticket-taker).

    Look …. civic nationalism is a big tent and people can come to it in many different ways. I have read alot of ethno-nationalistic commentary, and said commentators tend to make very good and logical points. But what I also see, as a weakness with ethno-nationalistic commentary, is that commentators are often just so prickly about ‘otherness’ that they allow that to cloud their vision as to the art of what is possible and what is not. The world is a much different place than it was in the 1800’s. It was already quite cosmopolitan in places, in that era, but this cosmopolitanism has just exploded since then. Face it ….. the ethnicities (of differing races) are mixing to some degree. And that is completely expected as per the consequence of this exploding cosmopolitanism. So things are morphing for the humans species (completely expected as per Darwinian theory …. nothing stays the same, the environment is ever-changing and this continually shapes the genomic coding responsible for fixing the adaptations to these changing conditions). With 8 billion souls, ….. I don’t think it is a good strategy to demolish cosmopolitanism (or even possible, really, in the longer term). With 8 billion of us, we must think differently now. Truly, we have reached a point (humanity) whereby our successes (as enjoyed by pretty much every last man, woman or child on the planet, despite how weirdo Lefties would try to invert this fact), have forced more cosmopolitanism, ….. and it’s an extremely tough row-to-hoe, to set successful policy that goes against nature. I am saying that our successes, for humanity, has brought (even forced) cosmopolitanism, as a natural consequence of said success, …. and as such, I am not sure there in fact really is any way to reign in cosmopolitanism without reducing the overall humanity-success-level (i.e. – to remove the natural inclination towards species-morphing that is the consequence of supercharged cosmopolitanism, which in turn was enabled by out-sized human success, … probably means less-success, go forward, if the cosmopolitanism is severely reigned in). So….. let’s go for diversity sweetspot instead. Let’s tell our Jewish-led globalist masters to f*ck-off already, with respect to their constant obfuscating around these basic facts of humanity, so we can begin to look at this rationally, to figure out what’s best for any particular culture, with respect to hybrid vigor dynamics, as informed by a certain level of cosmopolitanism. There is one major group that stands in the way of this rational analysis … and that is the Jew-false-ideology-converged western Academy. People like goof-Darwinist Jared Diamond. These people are not humanity’s friend.

    • Agree: Mehen
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  354. Ron Unz says:
    @Wild Man

    Alright – as I suspected Mr. Unz didn’t actually bless the ADL’s particular twisted use of the term ‘Diversity Is A Strength’, though I interpret the 1994 article you linked on Unz’s views on California’s Proposition 187 of that era

    Look, this is absolutely not a thread on immigration or related issues, and don’t be surprised if such comments get trashed.

    For about two decades beginning in the early 1990s, I probably published more and more widely in America on race/ethnicity issues than anyone else whose name comes to mind. You seem utterly ignorant of that background, much like you’d apparently spent years ranting about the Diamond book without ever having bothered to read it.

    My most significant Race/Ethnicity articles are conveniently grouped here:

    https://www.unz.com/page/race-ethnicity-articles/

    A much broader collection is also provided in my Meritocracy eBook, which I’d originally published in hard copy a few years ago:

    https://www.unz.com/ebook/the-meritocracy-collection-ebook/

    Instead of just continuing to rant in an ignorant manner on topics you don’t understand, maybe you should actually read some of this relevant material, especially since it’s available at your fingertips.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  355. Wild Man says:
    @Random Anonymous

    On this passage of your comment:

    “In fact, they use that data to show that vaccine efficacy appears to decline and become negative, meaning that eventually you’re MORE likely to get Covid if you’ve been vaccinated than not”.

    So, all in all, does your comment not imply Truth Vigilante’s claim that:

    “I have seen NO independently verified confirmation that these ‘vaccines’ provide ANY protection of note relative to the unvaccinated.”

    is an accurate assessment?

    • Replies: @Random Anonymous
  356. Wild Man says:
    @Ron Unz

    On this passage of your comment:

    “You seem utterly ignorant of that background, much like you’d apparently spent years ranting about the Diamond book without ever having bothered to read it.”

    For crissakes Ron you come across like a condescending book-reading snob.

    [MORE]
    You got no clue about my reading habits. How is it that you are so sure that I have spent years ranting about the Diamond book? Like I said, I had some exchanges with an acquaintance, over about 2 years, on topics that he thought were well-informed by the book, without really being able to tell me precisely how. He read the book. Weird (and with unwarranted contempt) that you would even doubt that, when I already told you he read the book. The book had a strong impression on him. It turns out he possesses the hallmarks of a cryptic racist. It turns out that his interpretation of the book informs his apparent cryptic racism. So I looked into the book (extensively, by way of reviews plus fairly in-depth overviews), and the author (like that 1997 talk Diamond gave which I linked for you), to see how such a curious thing could happen. I gave that all to you in comment #237 above. You either didn’t read that comment, or are making it our like you didn’t (like it is beneath you or something, to your mind, because you have decided I apparently don’t read books, when in fact you got no clue). Why not listen to your own advise Ron, and read some words yourself, before so arrogantly mouthing-off. A book-reading snob that is above reading words? Hahaha! You continue to crack me up. I am laughing because your arrogance is so completely misplaced. Not a good look.

    On this passage of you comment (plus the 2nd link you provided):

    “Look, this is absolutely not a thread on immigration or related issues, and don’t be surprised if such comments get trashed.

    For about two decades beginning in the early 1990s, I probably published more and more widely in America on race/ethnicity issues than anyone else whose name comes to mind.”

    OK – fair enough. And thank-you for the links.

    On this passage of your comment:

    “Instead of just continuing to rant in an ignorant manner on topics you don’t understand, maybe you shuld actually read some of this relevant material, especially since it’s available at your fingertips. ”

    Holy cow are you ever and arrogant jerk at times. You think you got authority-dibs over others on opinions with regards to ‘race/ethnicity issues’? You are person. I am a person. You have an ethnicity and I have an ethnicity. Sorry, but your arrogance is truly misplaced. You have dibs over precisely no one with regards to authority on these issues, because they are existential issues. Wtf is wrong with you?

    On this passage of your comment:

    “You seem utterly ignorant of that background”

    So? Is that some sort of sin in your books? I am not ‘less than’, or ‘substandard in thinking’ just because I haven’t read all Unz. I will continue to read whatever portion of Unz I deem appropriate for myself. If you truly think that the fact that I haven’t read your series on race/ethnicity yet, but apparently have the unwarranted audacity to comment on race and ethnicity anyways with others on this blogspot, ….. wow ….. control freak you? Like I said above, race/ethnicity – existential matters – you have authority-dibs over precisely no one, on that topic. Just one opinion in a crowd of opinions. To think otherwise, on existential matters, is a condition that is at the root of the JQ issue.

  357. @Wild Man

    Not exactly, although you might prefer to say “all in all” no protection of note. Before the efficacy declines below zero, it’s positive, which means that during that period you’re less likely to get Covid if you’re vaxxed than unvaxxed. (Although in that post and here I really mean get a severe case or die, rather than just get a case, since I think the former is where there appears to be some efficacy, not the latter.)

    Also, I was reacting primarily to Truth Vigilante’s “NO independently verified confirmation” rather than his “provide ANY protection of note”, since the former seemed to be the primary part of his statement. He can correct me on that if needed.

    • Thanks: Wild Man
    • Replies: @Random Anonymous
  358. @Ron Unz

    If you were elected governor of California tomorrow, what instructions would you issue regarding teaching about AIDS to adolescents in health education in California state schools?

  359. The open letter by Ehud Qimron, head of the Department of Microbiology and Immunology at Tel Aviv University and one of the leading Israeli immunologists that was anonymously posted in newslinks

    https://swprs.org/professor-ehud-qimron-ministry-of-health-its-time-to-admit-failure/

    is fascinating, written 10 January and that page claims over 2 million views so far for their English translation.

    • Thanks: Mevashir
    • Replies: @Mevashir
  360. Mark Hunter says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Quoting  niceland  in Iceland:

    … while the vaccines provide little if any protection against infection or transmission they do indeed provide considerable, even good protection against serious outcomes from covid disease.

    This is easy to see when over half of hospitalizations from covid disease come from our small group of unvaxxed, probably less than 10% of the population.  Last week we had 7 people in ICU – 6 of them unvaxxed.  After the main vaxx campaign last summer – death rate from covid dropped like stone.

    All very well as far as it goes but an important detail is missing.  In the period before the vaxx campaign, how were the unvaxxed, if they contracted covid, treated?

    Safe and effective treatment for covid exists.  The comparison we should make is not between
          vaccination and no vaccination
    but between
          vaccination and prophylaxis / treatment.

    The existence of safe and effective treatment renders the covid vaccines pointless considering how dangerous they are.  (Covid treatment is multifaceted and performed in stages.  Prophylaxis consists of some parts of the treatment.  See the pamphlet  A Guide to Home-Based Covid Treatment  put out by the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons.)

    While promoting the dangerous vaccines the Medical Establishment (government-granted medicine) and their admirers in mainstream media suppress the existence of safe and effective treatment, what Dr. Peter McCullough calls  therapeutic nihilism.

    I’m currently reading Dr. Peter Breggin’s book COVID-19 and the Global Predators: We Are the Prey.  The Amazon reviews are here, an interview Breggin gave promoting the book is here.  (The paper used in the book isn’t opaque enough; while reading you see a faint shadow of the print on the reverse side of a page.  It’s a big book, still, for a \$27 paperback the publisher could have afforded better paper.  If you tolerate electronic books consider the Kindle edition.)

    Early in the book Breggin buys the story told by Li-Meng Yan and three other Chinese expatriates that China created covid in the lab and intentionally released it in China (knowing it would reach the U.S.) in order to interfere with Trump’s presidency.  He seems unaware of the Unz Hypothesis and the reasons behind it. Even if he is mistaken to trust Yan there’s much solid information in the book.

    By the way, at the bottom of the book’s Amazon page are two sections “Frequently bought together” and “Products related to this item,” and neither mentions Kennedy’s book on Fauci.  (The reverse is also true – Breggin’s book isn’t mentioned on Kennedy’s page – but not unexpected because Breggin’s book hasn’t been out long.)

    Our public health problems are due to the collusion of Medicine and State. The two should be separated, all federal funds and special favors to the Medical Establishment ended, so that there is no Medical Establishment, only individual doctors and researchers paying their own way. Fauci and his ilk are entirely creatures of government grants. A medical fiefdom like theirs can only be maintained by the iron hand of the state.

    • Thanks: Emslander, JimDandy
    • Replies: @Mevashir
  361. Mevashir says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    EXCELLENT QUESTION!

    Presumably his instructions would be to read the RFK Jr book along with Ron’s own analysis and other writings. He might try to publish his writings as an official California state textbook. He would allow those students to ponder the contrary evidence but never to reach a firm conclusion but always to remain in a state of suspended judgment, because that’s the PC thing to do.

    • Thanks: Jonathan Mason
  362. @Random Anonymous

    However, in some new analyses today, substack’s boriquagato, one of the analysts I follow, writes (all emphasis added by me):

    i’m getting pretty skeptical that vaccines are helping on severity anymore. even if they once did (and this is arguable based on how stacked the math that was used has been [which he elaborates on in the other new post I mention below], though i suspect they were at least marginally effective) it does not look like they are doing much or even anything anymore.

    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/your-vaccine-does-not-protect-me

    Moreover, he also does a long analysis via examples of the effect of the rigged counting of unvaxxed, partially vaxxed, and fully vaxxed, and the effects look to be potentially more significant than expected (although one would have to look closer to see if that’s just an artifact of the numbers chosen for the examples):

    [MORE]

    this is a pattern we keep seeing in reported data.

    the way these terms are being defined causes a risk cascade downstream and will always favor whatever group become “fully vaxxed” most recently.

    it’s a mathematical rig job. (and i doubt very much it was an accident, this definition was not chosen out of hat. it was selected by highly sophisticated drug developers to occlude an issue of which a struggle to imagine they were not aware.

    we can slice this 30 different ways, but it’s easy to see how perverse and error riddled this rapidly becomes.

    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/bayesian-datacrime-defining-vaccine

    He goes on to point out:

    even, if by some miracle of measurement, you followed JUST the patients and perfectly accounted for ALL cohort size issues and shifted none of the excess cases from risk periods into any other group, you STILL would not get the right answer because your sample would still be salted with injected bias because of the sequential selection effects

    this is WHY randomized controlled trials are used. you need to get all the bias out and equalized BEFORE you start. there is a reason that study design and enrollment randomization and balance are a whole separate subfield. once the data starts getting confounded in complex ways, you cannot untangle it. you’re lost.

    ending the vaccine trials so early and eliminating the control groups by vaccinating them was a massive mistake (or a deliberate dodge). that was our one shot at any real long term understanding and it’s long gone.

    this issue around dropping the two risk enhanced weeks has been with us from the beginning. it was baked into the drug trials as well and folks like pfizer do not make mistakes about issues like this, they make choices.

    And a commenter points out:

    This is part of how the trick is done with rates per 100k, the unvaccinated cohort gets smaller and the vaccinated bigger while the vaccinated cases count as unvaccinated.

  363. Mevashir says:
    @Mark Hunter

    Our public health problems are due to the collusion of Medicine and State. The two should be separated, all federal funds and special favors to the Medical Establishment ended, so that there is no Medical Establishment, only individual doctors and researchers paying their own way. Fauci and his ilk are entirely creatures of government grants. A medical fiefdom like theirs can only be maintained by the iron hand of the state.

    This is a great idea but completely unrealistic. You miss the point that all of this Federal funding is directly or indirectly for military applications, in this case for bioweapons research. Anything relating to the military necessarily comes under federal financial control. The researchers on the ground don’t seem to care who sends the money their way or who they are really working for. They are content gerbils on their research treadmills blithely ignorant of the larger (nefarious) implications of their work.

    • Replies: @Mark Hunter
  364. Mehen says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    If you were elected governor of California tomorrow, what instructions would you issue regarding teaching about AIDS to adolescents in health education in California state schools?

    My Gods…

    I am continually Gobsmacked by the lengths your kind will go to maintain dominance…with the pilpul…the shifting goal-posts…the double-standards…basically every psychological trick in the Book to keep from acknowledging you and your kind are both FACTUALLY wrong as well as MORALLY wrong.

    Fuck you and your Mammon-worshipping kind.

    There are other worlds than these…

    There are possible worlds just beyond our collective psyche that involve values far beyond status and riches and pleasure.

    • Thanks: Emslander, Marcion
  365. Ron Unz says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    If you were elected governor of California tomorrow, what instructions would you issue regarding teaching about AIDS to adolescents in health education in California state schools?

    That’s a foolish question. Obviously, the first thing would be to provide a major public platform at which Duesberg and his adherents could freely debate the scientific and medical question with Fauci and whomsoever he selects of the 30,000(?) orthodox HIV/AIDS researchers he’s funded. This should have been done thirty years ago and would finally allow the scientific and journalistic communities to hear both sides and decide who was probably correct. Once that determination has been made, all those other decisions can be put into place.

    From a policy perspective, there’s no huge rush. According to Duesberg’s framework, the current anti-AIDS drugs are largely harmless and the use of lethal levels of AZT was discontinued decades ago. So “AIDS” deaths have declined to almost nothing.

    On the other hand, Duesberg is now 85, and and Nobel Prizes can’t be awarded posthumously, so it wouldn’t be good to dawdle.

    • Thanks: Alfred
  366. Mark Hunter says: • Website
    @Mevashir

    … all of this Federal funding is directly or indirectly for military applications, in this case for bioweapons research. Anything relating to the military necessarily comes under federal financial control. …

    First, only a small fraction of medical funding is connected to the military.

    Second, that fraction consists of funding for biowarfare research (euphemistically called biodefense or gain of function research) and should not even exist. Such research should be defunded and closed down immediately, not just phased out over time.

    America would have an economic renaissance overnight if people and businesses could keep the earnings they are now taxed out of (directly by ordinary taxes and indirectly by inflating the money supply), to end up in the pockets of legions of government toadies.

  367. @orchardist

    Hell, who knows how many of us are just half a bubble off-plumb because of that shit.

    That’s the way the overlords prefer it: keeping the livestock overfed-but-malnourished and metabolically (and cognitively) off-kilter reduces the risk that we rebel en masse.

    It only costs a modest amount to buy fluoride-free drinking water (I drink quite a bit of water – my brand costs 84.5¢ a litre, i.e., \$8.45 for a 10l, which lasts me 4 days).

    I am skeptical about under-sink systems (be they ‘activated alumina’ or reverse osmosis) that claim to remove fluoride: it is very easy to make claims – for example, some US-led fraudsters have claimed that the gene-jabs are ‘SAFE AND EFFECTIVE‘ when they are neither (unless you’re metabolically fucked, in which case it’s a wash).

    For whatever reason, this discussion has motivated me to acquire a (cheap-ish) setup that claims to remove fluoride, and a fluoride testing meter. If the claim is false, I’ll send it back.

  368. @Rurik

    Thanks for those links Rurik but I’m not so sure that Iceland Vs Haiti is an apples to apples comparison.

    Case in Point: We’re all familiar with the high mortality in sub-Saharan Africa allegedly due to AIDS but could it be that most of these deaths, as some well credentialled scientists suggest, are the result of a grab-bag of different conditions like malnutrition, poor hygiene, inaccessibility of clean drinking water etc ? (Not to mention deaths that may well have been caused by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation’s vaccination initiatives).

    As always, correlation does not equal causation. And the fact that Iceland has about one Covid death per 1000 cases is not indicative of the efficacy of vaccines but RATHER, the more obvious conclusion that Covid (in all its variations), is and never was a deadly pathogen, and that it is akin to seasonal flu in its severity.

    I’m in Australia and in 2020, at a time when zero % of the population was vaccinated, we had an All Cause Mortality that was LESS than non-pandemic year 2019.
    And, of the 900 or so Covid deaths that were alleged in 2020, over 80% came from just ONE state (not even the most populous state), where it appears U.S style Covid statistical chicanery was adopted, whereby deaths WITH Covid were recorded as deaths FROM Covid.

    Then, in 2021, a year when the LESS VIRULENT Delta and Omicron strains dominated, and a significant proportion of Aussies got vaxxed, all of a sudden the Covid death count is well up on 2020.

    If the vaccines really were effective in reducing the severity of Covid illnesses and death (as Niceman from Iceland claims), shouldn’t Covid mortality have DECREASED in 2021 ?

    Of course that’s a rhetorical question.

    Even Vision-impaired Victor can see that these experimental gene therapies were never designed for altruistic purposes.
    They were ALWAYS about initiating a cull and exacerbating illnesses in pursuit of an agenda.

    • Thanks: Rurik
  369. @Random Anonymous

    You write:

    What exactly do you mean by that? What would count for you as independently verified? And how much have you looked?

    and …

    In fact, they [many of the same experts like Peter McCullough and Robert Malone that both you and I are likely referencing] use that data to show that vaccine efficacy appears to decline and become negative ….

    At the end of the day, no one is 100% objective on any issue. There will always be a degree of subjectivity in their opinions.

    [MORE]

    That said, those that have come out at great personal risk, who have had their reputations smeared, have been fired from their jobs and had their future career prospects decimated etc (whilst simultaneously possessing world best accreditation and a history of unimpeachable integrity), would fall into the category of best being able to ‘independently verify’.

    Certainly, the likes of Stanford’s John Ioannides or the Great Barrington’s lead signatories (Kulldorff, Gupta and Bhattacharya) would fall into that category – as would Malone, McCullough and honest journalists like Alex Berenson.

    The VAERS data alone for the U.S (20,000 dead and 800,000 vaccine adverse affects – more than all the other 70 + vaccines combined for the last THIRTY (30) years), tells us the Covid vaccines are the most lethal vaxxes in human history, and by a LARGE margin.

    And that’s based on acceptance of the RAW NUMBERS coming out of VAERS – which are likely undercounted by a huge factor. (VAERS whistleblowers claim it’s undercounted by at least a factor of FIVE and other reputable sources say it’s a factor of anywhere between 10 and a 100).

    So RA, my contention is this:

    How can an experimental gene therapy that masquerades as a vaccine be designed to be a PROVEN KILLER/DISABLER and yet simultaneously be designed to alleviate human suffering and misery by lessening the effects of Covid and reducing the severity of illness ?

    It strains credulity to believe that it does both.

    It’s either one or the other.

    And, the fact that there are far more dead in 2021 (the year when a significant chunk of the 1st world has been vaxxed), than died in the unvaxxed year of 2020 (a year which encountered a more lethal strain of Covid than the mutated and less virulent Delta and Omicron strains that predominated in 2021), should be more than enough info to answer that question.

  370. Mr. Anon says:
    @Ron Unz

    I have followed the discussion on these threads closely, and watched a number of the videos, and am now reading Duesberg’s book, which you have provided here. He makes a lot of good points – points which were not addressed by the medical/research establishment back when he made them and apparently still haven’t been addressed up to the present today.

    However, there are some points that Duesberg raises that don’t make sense to me:

    1.) He has often said that HIV does not follow the usual course of an infectious disease, with rapid exponential growth over the period of a few months. But this is (or at least is supposed to be) a sexually transmitted disease, not a respiratory virus like SARS-COV-2. I would expect a longer time-constant for an STD than for an airborne virus. People breathe a lot more often than they have sex. When syphilis first ripped through Europe in the 16th century it did so over the course of a several years, not a few months

    2.) Duesberg claims that HIV/AIDS has never broken out into a heterosexual populsion. Leaving aside Africa, where the data is perhaps not so good, what about other, more developed countries? According to people who track this stuff (and, to be fair, they are all squarely in the establishment camp), HIV/AIDS in Russia is now largely a heterosexual disease, with 57% of AIDS cases found among heterosexual non IV-drug users, as of 2018.

    https://www.avert.org/professionals/hiv-around-world/eastern-europe-central-asia/russia

    Now, I can see some potential problems with these numbers. The government of Russia is hard on both homosexuals and IV drug users, so maybe there is a lot of under-reporting of those behaviors. Still, the Duesberg Hypothesis camp needs to address this.

    3.) What about people like commenter Anon above, who is heterosexual, a non IV-drug user, HIV+, and whose immune system started to go South and who developed conditions characteristic of AIDS. I asked him if he was a frequent user of corticosteroids (which can also suppress the immune system and leave one open to fungal infections like Thrush) and he said he was not. There are other things that can cause those too – i didn’t ask him about those because I don’t want to be inquisatorial. But still, cases like this need to be addressed. How is it that HIV+ people who do not carry the lifestyle health burden of classic AIDS patients (homosexuals, drug users) can still develop opportunistic infections and have depleted T-cell counts? The Duesberg-camp needs to address this as well.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @PDXLibertarian
  371. Ron Unz says:
    @Mr. Anon

    However, there are some points that Duesberg raises that don’t make sense to me:

    Sure, I agree that there are various holes and weaknesses in the Duesberg Hypothesis, but given the fact that it’s had essentially zero funding and almost zero researchers for the last 20-30 years, I tend to cut it a lot more slack. That’s why I suggest it might be “substantially correct” rather than completely so.

    3.) What about people like commenter Anon above, who is heterosexual, a non IV-drug user, HIV+, and whose immune system started to go South and who developed conditions characteristic of AIDS.

    As I mentioned upthread, Anon said he discovered he was HIV+ at least 17 years before he developed any immune system problems, and it’s quite possibly he’d have been HIV+ for many years before being tested. I think that’s far longer than the official HIV latency period, so I doubt there’s any connection whatsoever between the two. A certain fraction of people have always developed immune problems, and if they’re HIV- it’s just ascribed to something else.

    2.) Duesberg claims that HIV/AIDS has never broken out into a heterosexual populsion… According to people who track this stuff (and, to be fair, they are all squarely in the establishment camp), HIV/AIDS in Russia is now largely a heterosexual disease, with 57% of AIDS cases found among heterosexual non IV-drug users, as of 2018.

    According to that Russian webpage, in 2017 1M Russians were known to be infected with HIV and only 35% were taking the antiretroviral drugs, with the true figure probably closer to 2M, of whom only 1/6 were on treatment. It’s now five years later and unless treatment rates enormously increased, I think we’d expect to have seen something like a million AIDS deaths by now, even assuming no additional infections.

    Surely a million Russian AIDS deaths would have been loudly reported by the West’s anti-Russian MSM and blamed on Putin. Yet there’s absolutely no sign of that—the AIDS issue seems to have disappeared from public attention. So I’d say that the Russia data tends to challenge the orthodox theory.

    • Agree: JimDandy
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  372. @Ron Unz

    You continue to fail to understand that medical science does not move forwards by means of TV public debates between Dr Fauci and Joe Rogan, or Howard Stern, or whomever.

    You could have a whole series of public debates between celebrity AIDS deniers and scientists, but that would not advance anybody’s knowledge.

    So you are saying that as putative governor of California, you have not yet made up your mind, but you would make policy decisions that could affect the future lives and deaths of tens of thousands of people based on mass media talking head debates?

    How exactly would this be done? After the debates, would the public be charged a dollar per vote to call a phone in line and cast their votes as if this were a reality show like Survivor?

    Is this the way that you would also deal with other public issues?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  373. @Ron Unz

    That’s a foolish question.

    There are no foolish questions, and this is a very serious question.

    [MORE]

    You, I understand, once ran for office as Governor of California.

    California is the largest US state by population, and would be ranked as a mid size nation if it were an independent country, with a population equal or more than the Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden, and Luxembourg combined. The land area is about equal to that of Paraguay. So pretty big.

    As Governor one would have considerable opportunity to provide guidance to the state departments of health and education, and to appoint people as executives who would carry out the policies that you believed were best for the young people of California.

    You have a particular interest in how AIDS is transmitted to teenagers.

    Now look at the italicized text that follows, which pertains to a particular California law called the California Healthy Youth Act.

    Comprehensive Sexual Health & HIV/AIDS Instruction

    Information on comprehensive sexual health education and HIV/AIDS/STD prevention; includes legal requirements for education in these areas and additional resources for quality instructional programs.

    Enacted January 1, 2016, this law integrates the instruction of comprehensive sexual health education and HIV prevention education.

    The bill renamed the California Comprehensive Sexual Health and HIV/AIDS Prevention Education Act to the California Healthy Youth Act.

    The bill requires school districts to ensure that all pupils in grades seven to twelve, inclusive, receive comprehensive sexual health education and HIV prevention education.

    California Healthy Youth Act

    The California Healthy Youth Act has five primary purposes:

    To provide pupils with the knowledge and skills necessary to protect their sexual and reproductive health from HIV and other sexually transmitted infections and from unintended pregnancy;
    To provide pupils with the knowledge and skills they need to develop healthy attitudes concerning adolescent growth and development, body image, gender, sexual orientation, relationships, marriage, and family;
    To promote understanding of sexuality as a normal part of human development;
    To ensure pupils receive integrated, comprehensive, accurate, and unbiased sexual health and HIV prevention instruction and provide educators with clear tools and guidance to accomplish that end;
    To provide pupils with the knowledge and skills necessary to have healthy, positive, and safe relationships…

    The question is a simple one. What changes would a putative Unz administration make to this law? Would be curriculum be changed to say that there is no evidence that condom use can prevent the spread of HIV and AIDS?

  374. @Ron Unz

    Reality doesn’t change over the decades.

    The light changes though over time in which we perceive past realities. Scientific ones too.

  375. Emslander says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Did you know that many science textbooks of 30 years ago have had to be rewritten because there is new knowledge?

    Doctor, you continue to insist that there is a new system of knowledge on AIDS, contrary to what the non-Fauci scientists assert. All you point to are new drugs that have been calibrated down over the past forty years so that they don’t kill as quickly. Fauci was pimping his 737th, or so, failed HIV vaccine about two years ago, when he found more glorification and emergency-motivated largess with the CV19 fear mongering.

    The question is whether HIV causes AIDS, as I understand it. Pretty straightforward. I have no idea whether that’s true or not, but neither do you or Fauci.

    When these NIAID HIV vaccines (Damn! I hate acronyms!) were consistently killing more people than they were saving, according to their trials, one of the researchers declared something revealing. He said, “It’s beginning to look like we’re nowhere near understanding the mechanism behind viruses and the immunity process.”

  376. Emslander says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    If you were elected governor of California tomorrow, what instructions would you issue regarding teaching about AIDS to adolescents in health education in California state schools?

    I’m not presuming to answer for Mr. Unz or to ever be governor of anything, but the answer is easy.

    I’d pull out the health education books used in public schools in the 1950’s or the Baltimore Catechism used the Catholic schools and instruct the children that sexual activity is dangerous, unhealthy and sinful if practiced outside of a blessed marriage of two people of opposite genders.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  377. Anon[394] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Meanwhile, you were asymptomatic and took no anti-AIDS drugs, but your immune problem only appeared 17 years(!) later, and perhaps much longer than that since you might have been HIV-positive for many years before you were tested. Given the 17+ years between your HIV infection and any illness, it really seems doubtful to me that the two had any connection whatsoever. I think even the orthodox AIDS model only claims an HIV latency period of 10 years or so.

    When I took the unusual step of relating my HIV/AIDS experience, I also encouraged responses that steered clear of ad hominem attacks. Your above attempt at analyzing my situation certainly does not qualify as ad hominem. Regardless, you invoke orthodox models which you regard with suspicion, since your recent conversion to the Duesberg camp. My own conversion went back much earlier, going back to his animated debates in the PNAS. I have no reason to completely reject his hypotheses, save for some lingering questions which I will return to later. If you read my posts in their entirety, I stated that none of the events I describe on my condition, constitute definitive proof of HIV being a cause of AIDS. Whatever led to my immune system collapse as you put it, I merely stated that the southward direction of my numbers took a northward direction after taking the later safer cocktail of ARVs. Since I can not with any certainty ascribe this change to the ARV, I will continue taking them for lack of better treatment options. In fact, should the recently described formulation of injectable ARVs become available in my country of residence, I would gladly switch – after a careful assessment of safety, adverse events and their impact on the course of AIDS. I am attracted to the idea of fortnightly injections compared to daily ARV cocktails. This is simple pragmatism on my part.

    And I think that Duesberg would argue that once your immune system later collapsed, for unrelated reasons, the residual HIV in your body then began multiplying to high levels.

    Again, I will not dwell on your speculation (whatever may be implied by ‘
    “…collapse… for unrelated reasons”. With due respect, your offer of some diagnostic cum prognostic explanation, which can neither be accepted nor refuted, reflecting a groping for plausible answers. You are also putting words in Duesberg’s mouth about issues he passionately debated and enunciated in the face of determined opposition from his detractors about my own situation.

    All that said, let me turn to Duesberg’s central argument underlying his opposition to the then HIV/AIDS orthodoxy. He was absolutely spot on (barring of course the advances in diagnostic methods that were not available during Koch’s time) in asserting that none of Koch’s 4 postulates were satisfied by the orthodox HIV/AIDS models. I am speaking from memory (along with Duesberg’s presentation that I attended) and please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. In advancing this thesis, he also proposed the use of recreational drugs as a potential set of etiological factors that lead to AIDS. However, I do not recall Duesberg explaining how his proposed multiple recreational drug etiologies satisfied any of Koch’s postulates other than by tenuous, not causal, association. In fact few, if any of the myriad of infectious diseases have done that; they have largely relied on the isolation and identification of organisms in diseased individuals and their absence in healthy ones. Although lab animals including primates have been (and still are) used to reproduce human diseases by infecting them with the suspect microbes, as helpful as they would seem, they are only extrapolations and cannot be taken as definitive proof of disease pathogenesis in human subjects.

    I took Duesberg to task during his presentation on African AIDS in his other assertion, which you repeated in your lengthy piece under discussion: that the African version was “different” without elaborating further. In your piece, there is casual reference to “poor nutrition” in African AIDS, without duly recognizing a continent of over one billion residents and some 54 sovereign nations, some of which experience frank starvation in their arid areas, even when the more arable areas in the same countries do not have suffer such problems. Many of them have more wholesome diets than many Americans. Further the well known phenomenon of genetic makeup affecting disease incidence, progression, presentation and outcomes are is barely addressed. When I raised this issue with Duesberg, he did not provide any satisfactory explanation. To paraphrase you, his theories are not without their holes.

    On a different note and without patronizing, your putting up UR is a breath of fresh air on several counts: first, I am not aware of any website that challenges Jewish power in American foreign policy to the extent that UR does. So much so that I even asked you a question once as to how you have been able to escape seizure of your website by the FBI as happened with the now defunct American Herald Tribune, which was far less scathing on criticizing Jewish power in America, You did not respond. Still, I do not read all articles here, including yours (not in their entirety) because of an apparent weakness of focus and length of your pieces. That should not detract from your doing a lot of research in putting them together. I also love the delightful essays of Linh Dinh which I rarely miss as I do reading Giraldi, Cook and Atzmon.

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  378. aandrews says:

    Yes, totally amazing. What could be the explanation??

    I was duped by the Covid lab leak deniers
    That senior scientists saw evidence for theories that they trashed in public has shattered trust in science
    The Telegraph
    Matt Ridley
    12 January 2022 • 5:48pm

  379. @Anon

    Your comments are very well written, helping to set a high standard.

    By the way, Linh Dinh recently left The Unz Review. He’s indicated why in his subsequent essays and comments posted on his own site; I’m pretty sure that it wasn’t due to comments like yours.

    • Replies: @aandrews
  380. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    You continue to fail to understand that medical science does not move forwards by means of TV public debates between Dr Fauci and Joe Rogan, or Howard Stern, or whomever.

    It moved forward – or was deemed to have moved forward – a whole great leap with Robert Gallo’s press conference in 1984, and that was before the work of him and his NIH team had been published and allowed to be hashed out in normal scientific debate conducted in the technical literature.

    One thing my science professors drummed into us was the various markers of “pathological science”. Science-by-Press-Conference was one of them. Scientists are supposed to publish their work, making the claim “I think I am right – let’s debate whether or not I am”, not “The Federal Government is now declaring I’m right – so I’m right – end of debate”.

    Gallo got away with it because it was deemed to be a matter of national urgency. Perhaps his short circuiting of normal scientific method was one reason he was not awarded the Nobel Prize (well that and his misconduct). The same urgency was used to justify unblinding the AZT trials and breaking the control group. When I first read about that, even then, I did not understand it. The argument was that it was immoral to give a placebo to the control group, because this was a life-saving drug that they needed. Hang on a minute – the whole purpose of the trial is to determine if it really is a life-saving drug. The presumption of success seemed to have been built into the trial from the start.

    • Replies: @Flying Dutchman
  381. Mr. Anon says:
    @Ron Unz

    According to that Russian webpage, in 2017 1M Russians were known to be infected with HIV and only 35% were taking the antiretroviral drugs, with the true figure probably closer to 2M, of whom only 1/6 were on treatment. It’s now five years later and unless treatment rates enormously increased, I think we’d expect to have seen something like a million AIDS deaths by now, even assuming no additional infections.

    Surely a million Russian AIDS deaths would have been loudly reported by the West’s anti-Russian MSM and blamed on Putin. Yet there’s absolutely no sign of that—the AIDS issue seems to have disappeared from public attention. So I’d say that the Russia data tends to challenge the orthodox theory.

    That is a reasonable point. It’s difficult to get statistics that make much sense on the topic. They are largely compiled by people with a stake in the argument and are almost never presented in a way that would readily permit them to be analyzed. And, as you say, it is a good question as to why the issue is not used as yet one more stick with which to beat the Putin regime.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  382. Wild Man says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    On this passage of your comment:

    “The same could not be said for GOP candidate Rand Paul – who was head an shoulders better than Trump on everything.”

    Point taken (though I think Ron Paul was/is better that Rand).

    [MORE]
    I discounted the Rand Paul candidacy (within my comment) because it didn’t stand a chance. How would a Rand Paul have stood up against the globalist onslaught, if he had won the primary? In my estimation he would have been decimated. I think that Trump prevailed during that period, because he viscerally understands the globalists better than Ron Paul and Rand Paul do. For them, …. it’s still much of an abstraction (though, for the current time frame, on Rand Paul vs. Fauci, Rand is getting a big taste of the ‘visceral understanding’ of what he is up against, globalism-wise, now). For Trump, due to his psychological proclivities (and by his Manhattan real state experience) , … he understands the perversion that is this globalist shtick, viscerally. Also, I should say …. Trump would not have prevailed during that time period, without his support on Israel. Would Rand or Ron Paul support Israel that way, in order to try to win? I don’t think so. Both MSM media as well as the Academy are filled with subverso-Jews at key levers of power. Rand Paul would have been chewed up and spit-out onto the floor, by these powers.

    On this passage of you comment:

    “In any case, it matters little. That’s because Trump never intended to honour any of his commitments (like reinvestigating 9/11 and telling us ‘who really did it’).”

    No … I don’t think so. You are conflating ‘any of his commitments’ with his failure of 9/11 re-investigation. However on the 9/11 campaign promise failure …. yes … I can’t argue against your contention that for the 9/11 campaign promise, perhaps the promise wasn’t really sincere (or perhaps Trump was sincere but then found out after he obtained the presidency that he could not act on that promise …. the smoke and mirrors on 9/11 misdirection and obfuscation runs extremely deep).

    On this passage of your comment:

    “We now know, with TOTAL certainty, that Trump always was nothing more than Controlled Opposition – an out and out Zio sock puppet.”

    Wut? How do we know that with any certainty? Look Truth Vigilante – you seem to be missing giant pieces of the puzzle as to what occurred during the Trump presidency. It’s just complete BS that Trump was Putin’s stooge. That claim has been completely demolished. Why not follow Revolver News or the Gateway Pundit, so as to get a different perspective? Both publications, have painstakingly, documented all of the goings on around this extremely vapid and stupid ‘those evil Russians!’ thing. The globalists use their depictions of Russia, as a convenient scapegoat, in order to misdirect. To not see through that, for any commentator, would be disastrous as to their overall take on what occurred during the Trump administration.

    On this passage of your comment:

    “Trump is nicely summed up by a prominent physician that’s been at the forefront in exposing the Covid Scamdemic:”

    No, … the quotes you attribute to this prominent physician are vapid and completely wrong. It’s as if this physician doesn’t know what globalism is, and is therefore blinded by his ignorance, I suppose.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  383. Ron Unz says:
    @Anon

    My own conversion went back much earlier, going back to his animated debates in the PNAS. I have no reason to completely reject his hypotheses, save for some lingering questions which I will return to later.

    Sorry, I’d had the mistaken impression that you were a supporter of HIV/AIDS orthodoxy, who’d never considered anything else, but you’ve clearly been following the issue for nearly thirty years while I only discovered it a month or two ago.

    But as I said, while your own personal case doesn’t necessarily support Duesberg, it seems to sharply contradict the orthodox theory.

  384. Ron Unz says:
    @aandrews

    I was duped by the Covid lab leak deniers
    That senior scientists saw evidence for theories that they trashed in public has shattered trust in science
    The Telegraph
    Matt Ridley

    Actually, I reviewed Ridley’s recent book, and found some of his own omissions very notable:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-confronting-covid-crimestop/

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  385. Ron Unz says:
    @Mr. Anon

    That is a reasonable point. It’s difficult to get statistics that make much sense on the topic.

    There are obviously important weaknesses and flaws in both camps. But when one side is backed by billions of dollars per year, tens of thousands of researchers, and 100% MSM support, and the other consists of an 85-year-old researcher and a handful of activists on the Internet, I think that enormous imbalance must be taken into account in assessing who’s probably correct.

    • Replies: @Mehen
  386. Marcion says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    You’re right. There are so many factors indicating that the vaccine itself has been an incredible failure. A healthy person who takes experimental drugs is without a doubt mentally unstable and investing in more irrationality.

    https://3speak.tv/watch?v=rair2/adnlxxqi

  387. @Emslander

    I’d pull out the health education books used in public schools in the 1950’s or the Baltimore Catechism used the Catholic schools and instruct the children that sexual activity is dangerous, unhealthy and sinful if practiced outside of a blessed marriage of two people of opposite genders.

    The merits of that model of marital relations would certainly be worth discussing, but it could not form the whole syllabus without incurring allegations that it was teaching religion.

    You could also add in some creation science perhaps?

    Actually when I was a teenager we had sex education in England in the 60s, and I remember our teacher explaining a bit about how pregnancy occurred, and then basically telling us to forget about it, and don’t have sex until we are married, because otherwise we would catch a venereal diseases.

    Since he was a veteran of World War II, no doubt he knew of which he spoke.

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  388. Biff K says:

    This oxycontin addiction thing is such a bunch of overblown shit. Invented and perpetrated by people not even practicing medicine – never attended a patient of any type in their entire life; know zilch about pharmacology.

    There is a difference between the oxycodone preparations of yesteryear and oxycontin that is used today. Specifically, oxycontin is a moderate-strong anti-pain relief medication that is a reformulation of oxycodone, specifically reformulated to be less addictive. This was done by nerdy white men, using scientific research methods as much as possible despite the subjective nature of this research, and old timey statistical analysis of that data (not business statistics), this done before pharmaceutical companies financialized their products and as we see now, employ politicians as drug salesmen. In plain street lingo, oxycontin is not anywhere nearly as addictive as oxycodone was. Why? Much less “high” with just as much pain relief. You can’t get 100% around the codeine part of it when you’re treating severe pain, like from joint replacements, for example. There simply aren’t safe effective, and non-addictive alternatives to codeine congeners. Getting addicted to oxycontin is about 10% as likely to happen as it was with oxycodone. But there are stupid schmucks that’ll use oxycontin just as likely as they did oxycodone to get what is with oxycontin, some feeble high, just because somebody said so. And ironically most of them today probably do so, just because they hear about this largely overblown oxycontin addiction thing, incessantly, on TV. It’s almost like selling a high that actually doesn’t really exist. I had a script for oxycodone 50 years ago for a wisdom tooth extraction, and an oxycontin script a few years back for a hip replacement. Oxycodone got me high as a kite, and had an authentic “crash” when I discontinued it a few days after I started taking it; oxycontin had equal pain relief ability, but stopping it affected me not at all even though I used it (increasingly sporadically) for 2 weeks. Big effing difference there!

    But just because of a few schmucks, your medical care is now being run by a band of clueless bureaucrats, who really should have no skin in the game. Today, a doctor is pushed up against the wall to (purely defensively) deprive a patient of little or no risk of addiction, in need of a strong pain reliever, just because somebody having nothing to do with medicine says so, and the MSM (there to sell advertising) parrots the total BS, which has now become nothing less than a cult, a cult that would make Jim Jones look like Annette Funicello. It’;s like no matter who you are, like it or not, you’re living in an episode of “Intervention” and your DEA licensed doctor is now automatically coined “dope dealer” just because he’s practicing “compassionate” medicine using modern tools of the trade.

    You stupid idiots. Just wait until you jog your knee joints into a pulverized mess “keeping fit” but 15 years later they have to replace those knee joints. Then tell us about that “terrible addictive stuff” you’ll have to beg beg for post op, “addict” or not, just to get a few hours relief of excruciating pain! And note the look on that DEA licensed, trained doctor’s face as he reluctantly writes that script – something he was actually trained to do and is required to do for medical, not financial reasons.

    A distraction? Probably. The “War on Drugs” now known by anybody half aware, to be a colossal joke, has in 50 years put a lot of those \$1.5 million dollar oceanfront homes there – all by dirty money. And like a lot of things people are just now getting a grasp of, they got that money selling drugs and young tender pussy. And the lazy shits never lifted a finger to acquire that ill-gotten dough.

  389. anastasia says:

    This is the death blow to medicine and science. Who will trust these people anymore? Certainly, not me. I have never witnessed such pathetic pusillanimity in medicine.

    My doctor said to me today, “they” (and he does not tell me who “they” were. I had to ask) are now telling us to give colonoscopies to those over 80 years old. In the past, he said, they recommended against it for fear of the damage it could cause the elderly. I asked him “Who are ‘they’, by the way?” He replied, “the Gastroenterologists.” Really? Yet, I remember long ago receiving a call from my insurance company recommending that I have one. You have to wonder: “does the chicken come before the egg?”

    Thirty five years ago, I went into Central Jury to select a jury. There are only 6 rooms to select juries at the trial level court (of major cases) of that County. . Three of the rooms had lawyers in them that day ALL with cases of perforated bowel from a prophylactic colonoscopy. I wondered why it had not made the news on television. I didn’t have that case. I had another type of case. But at the time, I have never heard that many people got their bowels perforated by a colonoscopy, or so many as to fill up three of the six jury rooms, and could not believe it was mere coincidence that the cases in this one day, filled up three of the six rooms in Central Jury. I thought about it at the time, and put it aside, as something that did not concern me. But I was young then. I am not so young anymore.

    The doctor today then said, “you should have a mammography”, I replied that if anyone put my breasts in a vice, I would press criminal charges, and go to the hospital to determine what damage was done to me.

    I feel very sorry for young people. They’ll be dead before they have an inkling about what is going on.

    Hippocratic oath: “First, do no harm”. There was even something in there about abortion.

    Good night nurse.

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  390. Emslander says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I don’t know the relevance of creation science to AIDS, so I assume you’re just being an asshole.

    However, it is amazing how well the marriage model as suggested by nearly every religion does work to keep you healthy, happy and in good custody of your soul. I’m sure they teach religion now in the California public schools, but it’s the religion called “science”.

  391. Emslander says:
    @anastasia

    I feel very sorry for young people. They’ll be dead before they have an inkling about what is going on.

    Yes. Of course, the “they” were the administrators of the hospital or doctor’s group you visited.

    I’ve always been healthy. When I had bad patches, I quickly got past them by changing whatever practice caused them. I was going to a pretty good doctor for checkups, and he warned that my blood pressure was pushing the acceptable number. I lost some weight, did more regular exercises and was careful about sodium. My numbers resumed normal levels.

    The next year, I got my pressure check and the doctor said he wanted to put me on a daily pill. I said, “WTH! My number is better than ever.” He said they lowered the number for a healthy blood pressure. I didn’t ask “who” as you did, I just stopped going to doctors. American health care is a criminal enterprise.

    • Agree: Fart Blossom
  392. @Ron Unz

    Ridley is an hereditary English fascist. He caused the Northern Rock bank-run with his neo-liberal shennanigans, he is a very crude anthropogenic climate destabilisation denialist, and, I would bet, a dedicated Sinophobe, as are most English Tories. The ‘lab leak’ theory is plainly correct, and the only question is whether it was an accident, or bio-warfare, which is definitely my pick. As for which lab, the way in which the MSM in the West has brainwashed the serfs into imagining that the Wuhan lab is the ONLY such facility on Earth has been exemplary.

  393. @aandrews

    Ridley is hard Right, therefore almost certainly a dedicated Sinophobe Hellbent on ‘bringing China down’. The lab leak theory is just designed to be a casus belli for aggressive war on China, painting the victim of a bio-warfare attack as the aggressor. These are GENOCIDAL racists, be assured of that.

  394. @Truth Vigilante

    I have to admire the manner in which the Austfailian MSM vermin have suppressed ALL information regarding ‘vaccine’ adverse reactions. These are truly the scum de la scum of human perfidy.

    • Agree: Truth Vigilante
  395. @Emslander

    The next year, I got my pressure check and the doctor said he wanted to put me on a daily pill. I said, “WTH! My number is better than ever.” He said they lowered the number for a healthy blood pressure. I didn’t ask “who” as you did, I just stopped going to doctors. American health care is a criminal enterprise

    Many years ago in England I was told that normal blood pressure for the systolic was “100 plus your age”, so for example for a 70-year-old person it would be 170/?

    Any doctor who said that today would probably lose their license for malpractice!

    Basically what happens today in the US is that Medicare sets the guidelines for what the parameters are for blood pressure, what your Ha1C should be, or for how often you need to have a colonoscopy, and all the rest of it.

    The basic aim of Medicare is that elderly Americans should be kept alive as long as possible and milk for medical profits, especially at the end of life. I have seen people who are massively obese given artificial knee joint transplants shortly before their death, at a cost of approximately \$15,000 per knee for the surgeon. Lol.

    So this is part of why it is such a big deal to keep Medicare patients alive when they have Covid-19.

    You have very little in the press about covid-19 and Medicare, and yet covid-19 is the biggest Medicare issue of our time. During all of 2020 thought Fauci was on TV everyday, and yet you hardly ever heard from the Medicare people. Strange

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  396. Biff K says:
    @Emslander

    Well…you’re catching on, but probably for the wrong reason.

    I had a minor stroke and while in the ER my BP was 160/85. IN THE ER! Right after I was transported there, left face drooped, in a fucking ambulance with sirens screaming and some jackass taking scissors and cutting off my jeans like I was some fucking lowlife prostitute found dead in a field! (my jeans are 28″ inseam – costs me \$30 just to get available jeans altered to fit me).

    While hospitalised, the neurologist insisted I take a BP med because of my “hypertension.” As a doctor, myself (who had performed over 1000 medical autopsies in my career including brain cutting and extra time studying neuropathology) my reply: This was a lacunar stroke – and hypertension is not proven to be associated with lacunar strokes, just those big hemispheric dislodged carotid artery plaque – induced strokes that are often fatal. I reminded him that a few years earlier, I had a TIA at which time a coagulation abnormality of some sort was found (which, btw, you don’t come anywhere near me with that experimental, clot-inducing vaccination) and was considered probably the cause of my TIA. I also re-iterated that importantly, for the previous 40 years, my BP was always 110/55. But, no. He insisted I take this now “big bullet” BP med (not the olden day, water pill, and, if not effective enough some other mild BP reducer, step by step) – NO! the big gun. OK. I was sent home and stupidly took the big gun “ARB” antihypertensive (that they now universally prescribe to anybody with a BP with a diastolic over 80). 3 days later, that little lacunar stroke that I had already recovered from recurred, now, 4X as big and made me permanently disabled.

    There’s a lesson here: You don’t practice medicine checking off boxes on some form that some bureaucrat from who knows where put together (that’s the laptop you see). This totally ruined the rest of my fucking life! I was 62. That extension of my “little” stroke (which, itself, resolved in 48 hours) should have never happened. But I followed that “specialist’s” orders and I will pay the price for the rest of my living days! They came up with a riproaring Angiotensin II Inhibitor antihypertensive med (originally developed for “malignant hypertension” which is a rare medical emergency) and now they all prescribe it no matter who you are or what your BP history. Because the numbers look good on that fucking laptop checklist.

    Morons practicing medicine with a bowling alley mentality.

    • Thanks: JackOH, Emslander, gsjackson
  397. Mr. Anon says:
    @anastasia

    My doctor said to me today, “they” (and he does not tell me who “they” were. I had to ask) are now telling us to give colonoscopies to those over 80 years old.

    A few years ago, an in-law of mine was telling me about a relative of his. She was north of 80 and had no family history of cancer, yet her doctor recommended she get a colonoscopy. They perforated her bowel, she went into sepsis, then a coma, then died.

    I think a lot of these procedures are just ordered for profit. When it’s a diagnostic procedure, it’s at least relatively harmless, but any kind of surgical procedure is a risk.

    One needs to always remember: 50% of all doctors are below average.

    Get a good doctor. It’s important.

    • Agree: PDXLibertarian
  398. Mr. Anon says:
    @Emslander

    The next year, I got my pressure check and the doctor said he wanted to put me on a daily pill. I said, “WTH! My number is better than ever.” He said they lowered the number for a healthy blood pressure. I didn’t ask “who” as you did, I just stopped going to doctors. American health care is a criminal enterprise.

    They keep narrowing the recommended margins for a lot of health markers. One doctor told me it was because they want to induce people to deal with the underlying condition before it becomes a big problem. But I half suspect it is done just to increase the market for whatever prescription drug they’re pushing.

    Doctors and public health officials have not covered themselves in glory these last two years. I suspect a lot of people have lost a lot of their previous respect for the medical professions.

    • Agree: Emslander, Mehen
  399. WHEN DOES RON UNZ GET TO TAKE A VICTORY LAP?

    https://www.thesun.ie/news/8179523/western-troops-ill-wuhan-months-before-covid-outbreak/

    Come on, admit it. Most of us thought Ron had gone over the edge when he proposed that CoVid19 was a western biowarfare attack on the Celestial Empire. But when you combine the above with the recent Project Veritas publication of the leaked US military documents showing Fauci et. al. continued to pursue bat virus gain of function research surreptitiously after the Obama ban, Ron is looking ever more prescient.

  400. @Ron Unz

    Some of the best more-recent epidemiological data exposing the paradoxes of HIV and AIDS seroprevalance between men and women from an “AIDS Dissident” viewpoint is by Professor Henry H. Bauer, professor emeritus of chemistry and dean emeritus of Arts and Sciences at Virginia Tech. In 2007, he published a book, “The Origins, Persistence and Failings of HIV/AIDS Theory” by McFarland press:

    Table 1 on Page 17 gives the most comprehensive assessment of ratio of male to female frequency of HIV in military cohorts and in the general population spanning multiple decades. What Bauer points out is that there were multiple definition changes over time that created the false appearance the sex-ratio-paradox was evening out, when really the CDC covered it up through a definition change.

    This is a highly academic work but accessible to general readers, and Bauer discusses military HIV frequency among active duty and recruits extensively. He had access to current Military HIV and AIDS surveillance data. If you go through the book, Bauer proves 20 different ways that HIV doesn’t cause AIDS. Bauer’s research was completely independent of Duesberg.

    Some of Bauer’s published academic articles are online:
    “Demographic Characteristics of HIV: Why does HIV Discriminate by Race”
    https://www.scientificexploration.org/docs/20/jse_20_2_bauer.pdf

    “What determines the Frequency of Positive HIV tests”
    https://www.scientificexploration.org/docs/20/jse_20_1_bauer.pdf

    “How did HIV Spread”
    https://www.scientificexploration.org/docs/19/jse_19_4_bauer.pdf

    Another absolutely fantastic book is by mathematician Rebecca Culshaw called “Science Sold Out.” It’s out of print now, but here is her article from Lew Rockwell:
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2006/03/rebecca-v-culshaw/why-i-quit-hiv/

    Here are some lectures by Bauer on AIDS:

    Dr. Bauer also maintains this blog:
    https://hivskeptic.wordpress.com/

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  401. @Mr. Anon

    I can respond to Question 3 on behalf of the Duesberg Camp:

    3.) What about people like commenter Anon above, who is heterosexual, a non IV-drug user, HIV+, and whose immune system started to go South and who developed conditions characteristic of AIDS. I asked him if he was a frequent user of corticosteroids (which can also suppress the immune system and leave one open to fungal infections like Thrush) and he said he was not. There are other things that can cause those too – i didn’t ask him about those because I don’t want to be inquisatorial. But still, cases like this need to be addressed. How is it that HIV+ people who do not carry the lifestyle health burden of classic AIDS patients (homosexuals, drug users) can still develop opportunistic infections and have depleted T-cell counts? The Duesberg-camp needs to address this as well.

    The trick is to understand how the HIV test was designed: It is a test for elevated levels of antibodies that have been associated with HIV. Now, every single human being has HIV antibodies – what the test does is dilute the serum 400-fold, meaning it’s not a test for the presence of antibodies, but rather a test for elevated levels of those antibodies. This is indicative of a condition called hypergammaglobulanemia, which means having too many antibodies to too many things. There are numerous causes for this, but it does have predictive value of something going wrong with the immune system.

    When they indirectly “isolated” HIV from culture (not a true isolation) in 1983/84, there was no way to know what HIV was made of, so of the thirty or so possible retroviral proteins that could be part of HIV, Gallo and Montagnier selected ten as being “specific” to HIV and nothing else. They basically “made up” the structure of HIV in a crazy display of circular logic by selecting the 10 proteins that most commonly reacted with “pre-AIDS” patients. That’s why there is correlation between testing HIV-positive and developing AIDS in some (but not all) risk groups. One risk group where there is not correlation is the Military – this is based on studies by Col. Frank Anders published in 2009.

    To learn more from the “Duesberg Camp,” a good start would be the article “HIV Tests are not HIV tests:”
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwilnoe5xLD1AhUWJUQIHbw_DS0QFnoECAYQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jpands.org%2Fvol15no1%2Fbauer.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2EPKLDjguf46C7QFBWJtk5

    But also keep in mind that in commenter Anon’s case – there is heightened vigilance for the detection of “conditions Characteristic of AIDS.” Suddenly a simple yeast infection or a hacking cough from a cold gets turned into “OMG – I’m finally getting AIDS.” If Anon had never been tested and never been told he/she was certain to get sick, the whole perception of the illness would be different: “oh, I feel under the weather. let me rest, get some chicken soup, reduce life stress, let the body heal itself.” Instead, because of the test: “OMG – I’m gonna die! Help Doctor! It’s AIDS-Thrush” and the result is overtreatment with toxic chemotherapy and it spirals down from there until Anon checks into an AIDS hospice. If there was some light oral thrush and there wasn’t a positive HIV test, the doctor would prescribe some antifungal lozenges for the Thrush, and Anon would be on his/her way, and things would clear up after a few weeks because that’s what Thrush does (unless you’re on something like cancer chemotherapy).

    I also want to remind the commenter: low T-cell counts have NOTHING to do with health. It was pointed out in RFK Jr’s book (the Rodriguez Case Western Reserve Study.” It’s a totally invalid surrogate marker – something that was proven in 1996 and confirmed in 2008. Once again – it’s the HIV test that caused Anon to get the T-cell count test in the first place and then obsess over it and freak out when it appears low. Obsessing about tests leads to persistent psychological stress and the release of cortisol, which even Anthony Fauci proved in 1974 leads to AIDS-like immunodeficiency.

    The trick to ending HIV: DONT TAKE THE TEST.

  402. @Biff K

    Morons practicing medicine with a bowling alley mentality.

    You mean ignorant morons. With typically asshole attitudes to boot. I take my sister to the doc (kidney problems which I attribute to one of the jabs years ago, but what do I know…) and am appalled at what those jokers come up with. I’m embarrassed for ’em. The younger crops of “crecentialed” cretins, with precious few exceptions, is positively abominable.

    My new rule of thumb is to completely avoid the jab-quacks no matter what. And given the history of big pharma, who knows what poisons they put in that crap? I notice that a lot of meds are produced in China* (melamine in the milk anyone?) and Israel seems big into pharmaceuticals as well. Those two facts alone make me cringe. And who could ever trust the media or politicians to begin with?

    *I know that sounds ray-sist, but it ain’t. I grow my own food as much as possible since I have no reason to trust big ag or the big food processors here in the USA any more than I would all the pretty food from Mexico and parts South, and I have a friend in the Phillipines who got sick from eating tomatoes which turned out to have been trated with formaldehyde. When I lived in Florida and would drive South of Miami, the pesticide smell in the air around the farm fields caused me to abort trips several times. Who would willingly ingest such garbage?

  403. And another thing about our public health problems. Malcolm Kendrick calls the hypercholesterolemia and statin craze a scam and I believe he’s onto something.

    Interpretation
    In people older than 85 years, high total
    cholesterol concentrations are associated with longevity
    owing to lower mortality from cancer and infection.
    The
    effects of cholesterol-lowering therapy have yet to be
    assessed.

    Lancet 1997; 350: 1119–23
    https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(97)04430-9.pdf

    Further, they did say that,

    …two metaanalyses have shown that treatment with inhibitors of hydroxymethylglutaryl-coA reductase reduces stroke risk by 30%.26,27

    But they’re probably talking about relative risk and of course correlation may not be causation.

    They also added that,

    A conclusion about the balance between the benefit and the risk of cholesterol-lowering therapy in the oldest has yet to be reached.

    I’m surprised such a study was even funded and I suspect that if more valid studies were done, the age limits would steadily drop.

  404. aspnaz says:

    Drugs licensed after 1980 are all corrupt. Ask your physician for drugs licensed before this date.

    I choose 1980 because Fauci got power in 1984, I allow 4 years to cover the guy who introduced him to big pharma then promoted him.

  405. Feryl says:
    @prison expert

    The stigma surrounding drugs started declining in the mid-90’s. In fact, plenty of people in the pro-drug camp still are ridiculing the just say no Reagan-Bush era, in spite of the fact that drugs have literally killed millions of people over the last 20 years and as you mention, there is no historical precedent for the mass drugging of children which America commenced in the mid-90’s. Anti-depression drugs, anti-hyper-activity drugs, and anti-pain meds are all heavily over-hyped, over-promoted, and over-used. Americans have either gone delusional or are so miserable that they can’t face the idea of living a normal life

  406. @Wild Man

    You wrote:

    I think Ron Paul was/is better that Rand

    Ron Paul is a once in a millennium phenomenon – Rand was always going to be against it to clear a hurdle that high.

    You also said:

    [MORE]

    How would a Rand Paul have stood up against the globalist onslaught, if he had won the primary?

    Had Rand Paul been the GOP nominee, I think he would’ve won the Presidency (in a fair election – not that this was ever likely to occur).
    Of course, that’s a moot point. Just like no one from the Kennedy clan is ever going to be allowed to rise to Commander in Chief, so too will no progeny of Ron Paul ever win through in the primaries.

    They cheated Ron Paul out of the GOP nomination in 2012, so not difficult to prophesise the same fate for his son.

    (BTW, quit with the use of the term ‘Globalists’, you’re beginning to sound like Alex Jones. This term is generally used to muddy the waters. It means different things to different people – purposely so, to give the impression that it’s some shadowy group of individuals that we’ll never be able to ascertain the identity of.
    Let’s call a spade a spade and call them out for who they are. ie: the Zionist Usury Banking Cartel – aka the Zio cabal. An entity with financial wherewithal of multiples of U.S GDP (at a minimum), an entity that controls the entirety of the western financial system, the western MSM, academia, the western health bureaucracy and, with the ownership/control of the Federal Reserve/ECB/BOE and other western central banks, can (and DOES) create trillions ex nihilo to dole out amongst its Zio cronies whenever a bail out is needed due to their reckless financial chicanery).

    You also wrote:

    Both MSM media as well as the Academy are filled with subverso-Jews at key levers of power. Rand Paul would have been chewed up and spit-out onto the floor, by these powers.

    ‘Spit out’ ? You mean smeared like the Zio owned media constantly smeared Trump in the lead up to the 2016 election ?

    Had Rand Paul been the GOP nominee, the constant demonisation by the media would have worked in Rand Paul’s FAVOUR – exactly as it did for Trump.

    The bulk of the public know that the MSM is fake news. Hence, if the MSM roots for one candidate, as they did for Hillary, the critical thinkers among the general public will take the opposite tack.

    That’s not to say that Trump was anti-Zionist establishment. No, not at all. Trump was ALWAYS a Zio sock puppet but his handlers crafted a devious script whereby he would pretend to be anti-MSM, anti-establishment.
    But this was all THEATRE. Trump was always Controlled Opposition.

    You wrote:

    You are conflating ‘any of his commitments’ with his failure of 9/11 re-investigation.

    It’s just complete BS that Trump was Putin’s stooge.

    For me personally, his complete reversal on the 9/11 reinvestigation matter and his back-stabbing of Julian Assange, were unforgiveable.
    Witness this 56 sec clip:

    It could be argued that the Wikileaks revelations about Hillary and the DNC did more than any other contributing factor to get Chump elected and yet he did this to Assange – and didn’t even have the contrition to pardon Julian in the last days of his administration (yet managed to pardon all manner of Zio scum).

    Where I’m from, this sort of person is called a C_NT.

    As for Trump’s other commitments, he delivered NONE of substance. On the biggest commitment of all, to MAGA, he and his Saturated-with-Zionist-Minions administration (Wilbur Ross was a long time N.M Rothschild employee to name just one among the many) did the EXACT OPPOSITE.

    By running the biggest deficits in U.S history, by presiding over the greatest expansion of the money supply in U.S history (by a wide margin), no previous President has done more to make future Americans beholden to the Zionist Usury Banking Cartel by increasing the debt load.

    Trump promised to bring jobs and manufacturing home by imposing tariffs and restrictions on Chinese products and reduce the trade deficit.
    End Result: America became even MORE dependent on foreign goods as the Trade Deficit blew out by a RECORD MARGIN under his Presidency (listen to the audio from 9:20 – 13:30 in this clip):

    No American POTUS has done more damage to the U.S economy than Chump – it’s blue sky to second place.

    Lastly, as to Trump being a Putin stooge, I never said that.

    Trump (aka Chump), ALWAYS was Baron Jacob Rothschild’s stooge.

    Of this, there is no doubt.

  407. @Mr. Anon

    The same urgency was used to justify unblinding the AZT trials and breaking the control group. When I first read about that, even then, I did not understand it. The argument was that it was immoral to give a placebo to the control group, because this was a life-saving drug that they needed. Hang on a minute – the whole purpose of the trial is to determine if it really is a life-saving drug. The presumption of success seemed to have been built into the trial from the start.

    Just one of the many close parallels between the “AIDS” propaganda rollout and the “Covid” rollout, and why the former can be seen as, at the least, a rehearsal for the latter.

    The fact that the manufacturers of the experimental gene-altering injections ran only the most threadbare fraudulent “trials” and then eliminated what few control groups there were (but some of the “control” groups in the trials actually received an alternate active injection rather than a placebo and therefore never were control groups in the first place) by injecting them at the end of the trials is in itself proof that these never were scientific trials and never sought medical knowledge but were premeditated propaganda exercises.

    It was also step one in eradicating the very existence of ANY uninjected control group amid the real trial, the mass experimental deployment of the experimental injections upon the population as a whole. This is a core reason why children are the number one target of the injectors, with pregnant women also being specially targeted, although neither of these groups is statistically vulnerable to alleged “Covid” nor, according to pre-2020 epidemiological science (that is, according to the science, period, since across the board science ceased to be performed starting in 2020), should either be focused upon for vaccination in a case like this. (Both those groups were scrupulously excluded from the “trials” because the manufacturers feared a premature epidemic of injection-driven deaths and injuries among groups so especially vulnerable to the inherent harms of the injections.)

    And that’s the core reason for such hysterical, openly fascistic propaganda and attempted mandates seeking forced 100% injections. Once the control group of the uninjected ceases to exist it will be much harder to discern the true pandemics of injection-driven deaths like heart attacks and incipient VAIDS.

    Which brings us back full circle to the “Covid” project as the logical extension and vast magnification of the “AIDS” project.

    • Agree: PDXLibertarian
  408. @PDXLibertarian

    Obsessing about tests leads to persistent psychological stress and the release of cortisol, which even Anthony Fauci proved in 1974 leads to AIDS-like immunodeficiency.

    The trick to ending HIV: DONT TAKE THE TEST.

    We can say that with even greater emphasis where it comes to “Covid”.

    Meanwhile the psychotic masses seem more obsessed than ever with “getting tested”. That too will drive the pandemic of fake positives – these wingnuts in the mass aren’t going to accept negative tests. (Each wants a negative for himself but a very high “positive” rate for the mass.) They’re clinging ever more desperately to their cult faith that there is a “pandemic”, and that there ever was one.

    Especially since they yearn to settle into a new phase state of conformity with a “new normal” based upon their cult.

    This truly is the “Omicron”-Moronic test to end all moron tests.

    • Agree: PDXLibertarian
  409. Mevashir says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    [This is not a Covid/Vaxxing thread. These sorts of comments may get trashed.]>

    I wrote to this Israeli professor and thought you’d like to read his response:

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    Dear Prof Qimron,
    https://en-med.tau.ac.il/profile/ehudq

    I have shared your letter with a number of friends healthcare professionals and medical scientists. Most of them react with skepticism, claiming that since so many current covid hospitalizations are from the unvaccinated, your cynicism is unwarranted. But I have read other accounts that in Europe and Israel the vast majority of covid hospitalizations are from the already vaccinated. These articles also claim that the covid vaccine drives the evolution of new variants.

    Can you explain what you mean by this sentence in your letter:

    “Two years late, you finally realize that a respiratory virus cannot be defeated and that any such attempt is doomed to fail.”

    Does this mean you dispute the use of conventional flu vaccines? Are you claiming there is no viable medical intervention to deal with flu or Covid?

    Also have you seen this recent study from Stanford that shows that apart from people with comorbidities the covid fatality rate is well below a fraction of 1%!
    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/covid-survival-rate-under-20s-999987-stanford-epidemiolgy-prof-study

    Dear Menachem,

    Thank you for your letter.

    I do not oppose vaccine’s use. As long as there is transparency