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Nearly 30,000 Americans have died from the coronavirus during the last two weeks, and by some estimates this is a substantial under-count, while the death-toll continues to rapidly mount. Meanwhile, measures to control the spread of this deadly infection have already cost 22 million Americans their jobs, an unprecedented economic collapse that has pushed our unemployment rates to Great Depression levels. Our country is facing a crisis as grave as almost any in our national history.

For many weeks President Trump and his political allies had regularly dismissed or minimized this terrible health threat, and suddenly now faced with such a manifest disaster, they have naturally begun seeking other culprits to blame.

The obvious choice is China, where the global epidemic first began in late 2019. Over the last week or two our media has been increasingly filled with accusations that the dishonesty and incompetence of the Chinese government played a major role in producing our own health catastrophe.

Even more serious charges are also being raised, with senior government officials informing the media that they suspect that the Covid-19 virus was developed in a Chinese laboratory in Wuhan and then carelessly released upon a vulnerable world. Such “conspiracy theories” were once confined to the extreme political fringe of the Internet, but they are now found in the respectable pages of my morning New York Times and Wall Street Journal.

Whether plausible or not, such accusations carry the gravest international implications, and there are growing demands that China financially compensate our country for its trillions of dollars in economic losses. A new global Cold War along both political and economic lines may soon be at hand.

 

I have no personal expertise in biowarfare technology, nor access to the secret American intelligence reports that seem to have been taken seriously by our most elite national newspapers. But I do think that a careful exploration of previous Sino-American clashes over the last couple of decades may provide some useful insight into the relative credibility of those two governments as well as that of our own media.

During the late 1990s, America seemed to reach the peak of its global power and prosperity, basking in the aftermath of its historic victory in the long Cold War, while ordinary Americans greatly benefited from the record-long economic expansion of that decade. A huge Tech Boom was at its height, and Islamic terrorism seemed a vague and distant thing, almost entirely confined to Hollywood movies. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, the possibility of large scale war seemed to have dissipated so political leaders boasted of the “peace dividend” that citizens were starting to enjoy as our huge military forces, built up over nearly a half-century, were downsized amid sweeping cuts in the bloated defense budget. America was finally returning to a regular peacetime economy, with the benefits apparent to everyone.

At the time, I was overwhelmingly focused on domestic political issues, so I only paid slight attention to our one small military operation of that period, the 1999 NATO air war against Serbia, intended to safeguard the Kosovo Albanians from ethnic cleansing and massacre, a Clinton Administration project that I fully endorsed at the time.

Although our limited bombing campaign seemed quite successful and soon forced the Serbs to the bargaining table, the short war did include one very embarrassing mishap. The use of old maps had led to a targeting error that caused one of our smart bombs to accidentally strike the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade, killing three members of its delegation and wounding dozens more. The Chinese were outraged by this incident, and their propaganda organs began claiming that the attack had been deliberate, a reckless accusation that obviously made no logical sense.

In those days I watched the PBS Newshour every night, and was I shocked to see their U.S. Ambassador raise those absurd charges with host Jim Lehrer, whose disbelief matched my own. But when I considered that the Chinese government was still stubbornly denying the reality of its massacre of the protesting students in Tiananmen Square a decade earlier, I concluded that unreasonable behavior by PRC officials was only to be expected. Indeed, there was even some speculation that China was cynically milking the unfortunate accident for domestic reasons, hoping to stoke the sort of jingoist anti-Americanism among the Chinese people that would finally help bind the social wounds of that 1989 outrage.

Such at least were my thoughts on that matter more than two decades ago. But in the years that followed, my understanding of the world and of many pivotal events of modern history underwent the sweeping transformations that I have described in my American Pravda series. And some of my 1990s assumptions were among them.

Consider, for example, the Tiananmen Square Massacre, which every June 4th still evokes an annual wave of harsh condemnations in the news and opinion pages of our leading national newspapers. I had never originally doubted those facts, but a year or two ago I happened to come across a short article by journalist Jay Matthews entitled “The Myth of Tiananmen” that completely upended that apparent reality.

According to Matthews the infamous massacre had likely never happened, but was merely a media artifact produced by confused Western reporters and dishonest propaganda, a mistaken belief that had quickly become embedded in our standard media storyline, endlessly repeated by so many ignorant journalists that they all eventually believed it to be true. Instead, as near as could be determined, the protesting students had all left Tiananmen Square peacefully, just as the Chinese government had always maintained. Indeed, leading newspapers such as the New York Times and the Washington Post had occasionally acknowledged these facts over the years, but usually buried those scanty admissions so deep in their stories that few ever noticed. Meanwhile, the bulk of the mainstream media had fallen for an apparent hoax.

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Matthews himself had been the Beijing Bureau Chief of the Washington Post, personally covering the protests at the time, and his article appeared in the Columbia Journalism Review, our most prestigious venue for media criticism. This authoritative analysis containing such explosive conclusions was first published in 1998, and I find it difficult to believe that many reporters or editors covering China have remained ignorant of this information, yet the impact has been absolutely nil. For over twenty years virtually every mainstream media account I have read has continued to promote the Tiananmen Square Massacre Hoax, usually implicitly but sometimes explicitly.

 

Even more remarkable were the discoveries I made regarding our supposedly accidental bombing of the Chinese Embassy in 1999. Not long after launching this website, I added former Asia Times contributor Peter Lee as a columnist, incorporating his China Matters blogsite archives that stretched back for a decade. He soon published a 7,000 word article on the Belgrade Embassy bombing, representing a compilation of material already contained in a half-dozen previous pieces he’d written on that subject from 2007 onward. To my considerable surprise, he provided a great deal of persuasive evidence that the American attack on the Chinese embassy had indeed been deliberate, just as China had always claimed.

According to Lee, Beijing had allowed its embassy to be used as a site for secure radio transmission facilities by the Serbian military, whose own communications network was a primary target of NATO airstrikes. Meanwhile, Serbian air defenses had shot down an advanced American F-117A fighter, whose top-secret stealth technology was a crucial U.S. military secret. Portions of that enormously valuable wreckage were carefully gathered by the grateful Serbs, who delivered it to the Chinese for temporary storage at their embassy prior to transport back home. This vital technological acquisition later allowed China to deploy its own J20 stealth fighter in early 2011, many years sooner than American military analysts had believed possible.

Based upon this analysis, Lee argued that the Chinese embassy was attacked in order to destroy the Serbian retransmission facilities located there, while punishing the Chinese for allowing such use. There were also widespread rumors in China that another motive had been an unsuccessful attempt to destroy the stealth debris stored within. Later Congressional testimony revealed that the among all the hundreds of NATO airstrikes, the attack on the Chinese embassy was the only one directly ordered by the CIA, a highly-suspicious detail.

I was only slightly familiar with Lee’s work, and under normal circumstances I would have been very cautious in accepting his remarkable claims against the contrary position universally held by all our own elite media outlets. But the sources he cited completely shifted that balance.

Although the American media dominates the English-language world, many British publications also possess a strong global reputation, and since they are often much less in thrall to our own national security state, they have sometimes covered important stories that were ignored here. And in this case, the Sunday Observer published a remarkable expose in October 1999, citing several NATO military and intelligence sources who fully confirmed the deliberate nature of the American bombing of the Chinese embassy, with a US colonel even reportedly boasting that their smartbomb had hit the exact room intended.

This important story was immediately summarized in the Guardian, a sister publication, and also covered by the rival Times of London and many of the world’s other most prestigious publications, but encountered an absolute wall of silence in our own country. Such a bizarre divergence on a story of global strategic importance—a deliberate and deadly US attack against Chinese diplomatic territory—drew the attention of FAIR, a leading American media watchdog group, which published an initial critique and a subsequent follow-up. These two pieces totaled some 3,000 words, and effectively summarized both the overwhelming evidence of the facts and also the heavy international coverage, while reporting the weak excuses made by top American editors to explain their continuing silence. Based upon these articles, I consider the matter settled.

 

Few Americans remember our 1999 attack upon the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, and if not for the annual waving of a bloody June 4th flag by our ignorant and disingenuous media, the “Tiananmen Square Massacre” would also have long since faded from memory. Neither of these events has much direct importance today, at least for our own citizens. But the broader media implications of these examples do seem quite significant.

These incidents represented two of the most serious flashpoints between the Chinese and American governments during the last thirty-odd years. In both cases the claims of the Chinese government were entirely correct, although they were denied by our own top political leaders and dismissed or ridiculed by virtually our entire mainstream media. Moreover, within a few months or a year the true facts became known to many journalists, even being reported in fully respectable venues. But that reality was still completely ignored and suppressed for decades, so that today almost no American whose information comes from our regular media would even be aware of it. Indeed, since many younger journalists draw their knowledge of the world from these same elite media sources, I suspect that many of them have never learned what their predecessors knew but dared not mention.

Most leading Chinese media outlets are owned or controlled by the Chinese government, and they tend to broadly follow the government line. Leading American media outlets have a corporate ownership structure and often boast of their fierce independence; but on many crucial matters, I think the actual reality is not so very different from that in China.

I tend to doubt that Chinese leaders have any overwhelming commitment to the truth, and the reasons for their greater veracity are probably practical ones. American news and entertainment completely dominate the global media landscape and they face no significant domestic rival. So China recognizes that it is vastly outmatched in any propaganda conflict, and as the far weaker party must necessarily try to stick closer to the truth, lest its lies be immediately exposed. Meanwhile, America’s overwhelming control over global information may inspire considerable hubris, with the government sometimes promoting the most outrageous and ridiculous falsehoods in the confident belief that a supportive American media will cover for any mistakes.

These considerations should be kept in mind as we attempt to sift the accounts of our often unreliable and dishonest media in hopes of extracting the true circumstances of the current coronavirus epidemic. Unlike careful historical studies, we are working in real-time and our analysis is greatly hindered by the ongoing fog of war, so that any conclusions are necessarily very preliminary ones. But given the high stakes, such an attempt seems warranted.

 

When my morning newspapers first began mentioning the appearance of a mysterious new illness in China during mid-January, I paid little attention, absorbed as I was in the aftermath of our sudden assassination of Iran’s top military leader and the dangerous possibility of a yet another Middle Eastern war. But the reports persisted and grew, with deaths occurring and evidence growing that the viral disease could be transmitted between humans. China’s early conventional efforts seemed unsuccessful in halting the spread of the disease.

Then on Jan. 23rd and after only 17 deaths, the Chinese government took the astonishing step of locking down and quarantining the entire 11 million inhabitants of the city of Wuhan, a story that drew worldwide attention. They soon extended this policy to the 60 million Chinese of Hubei province, and not longer afterward shut down their entire national economy and confined 700 million Chinese to their homes, a public health measure probably a thousand times larger than anything previously undertaken in human history. So either China’s leadership had suddenly gone insane, or they regarded this new virus as an absolutely deadly national threat, one that needed to be controlled at any possible cost.

Given these dramatic Chinese actions and the international headlines that they generated, the current accusations by Trump Administration officials that China had attempted to minimize or conceal the serious nature of the disease outbreak is so ludicrous as to defy rationality. In any event, the record shows that on December 31st, the Chinese had already alerted the World Health Organization to the strange new illness, and Chinese scientists published the entire genome of the virus on Jan. 12th, allowing diagnostic tests to be produced worldwide.

Unlike other nations, China had received no advance warning of the nature or existence of the deadly new disease, and therefore faced unique obstacles. But their government implemented public health control measures unprecedented in the history of the world and managed to almost completely eradicate the disease with merely the loss of a few thousand lives. Meanwhile, many other Western countries such as the US, Italy, Spain, France, and Britain dawdled for months and ignored the potential threat, and have now suffered well over 100,000 dead as a consequence, with the toll still rapidly mounting. For any of these nations or their media organs to criticize China for its ineffectiveness or slow response represents an absolute inversion of reality.

Some governments took full advantage of the early warning and scientific information provided by China. Although nearby East Asian nations such as South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and Singapore had been at greatest risk and were among the first infected, their competent and energetic responses allowed them to almost completely suppress any major outbreak, and they have suffered minimal fatalities. But America and several European countries avoiding adopting these same early measures such as widespread testing, quarantine, and contact-tracing, and have paid a terrible price for their insouciance.

A few weeks ago British Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that his own disease strategy for Britain was based upon rapidly achieving “herd immunity”—essentially encouraging the bulk of his citizens to become infected—then quickly backed away after his desperate advisors recognized that the result might entail a million or more British deaths.

By any reasonable measure, the response to this global health crisis by China and most East Asian countries has been absolutely exemplary, while that of many Western countries has been equally disastrous. Maintaining reasonable public health has been a basic function of governments since the days of the city-states of Sumeria, and the sheer and total incompetence of America and most of its European vassals has been breathtaking. If the Western media attempts to pretend otherwise, it will permanently forfeit whatever remaining international credibility it still possesses.

 

I do not think these particular facts are much disputed except among the most blinkered partisans, and the Trump Administration probably recognizes the hopelessness of arguing otherwise. This may explain its recent shift towards a far more explosive and controversial narrative, namely claiming that Covid-19 may have been the product of Chinese research into deadly viruses at a Wuhan laboratory, which suggests that the blood of hundreds of thousands or millions of victims around the world will be on Chinese hands. Dramatic accusations backed by overwhelming international media power may deeply resonate across the globe.

News reports appearing in the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times have been reasonably consistent. Senior Trump Administration officials have pointed to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a leading Chinese biolab, as the possible source of the infection, with the deadly virus having been accidentally released, subsequently spreading first throughout China and later worldwide. Trump himself has publicly voiced similar suspicions, as did Secretary of State and former CIA Director Mike Pompeo in a FoxNews interview. Private lawsuits against China in the multi-trillion-dollar range have already been filed by rightwing activists and Republican senators Tom Cotton and Lindsey Graham have raised similar governmental demands.

I obviously have no personal access to the classified intelligence reports that have been the basis of these charges by Trump, Pompeo, and other top administration officials. But in reading these recent news accounts, I noticed something rather odd.

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Back in January, few Americans were paying much attention to the early reports of an unusual disease outbreak in the Chinese city of Wuhan, which was hardly a household name. Instead, overwhelming political attention was focused on the battle over Trump’s impeachment and the aftermath of our dangerous military confrontation with Iran. But towards the end of that month, I discovered that the fringes of the Internet were awash with claims that the disease was caused by a Chinese bioweapon accidentally released from that same Wuhan laboratory, with former Trump advisor Steve Bannon and ZeroHedge, a popular right-wing conspiracy-website, playing leading roles in advancing the theory. Indeed, the stories became so widespread in those ideological circles that Sen. Tom Cotton, a leading Republican Neocon, began promoting them on Twitter and FoxNews, thereby provoking an article in the NYT on those “fringe conspiracy theories.”

I suspect that it may be more than purely coincidental that the biowarfare theories which erupted in such concerted fashion on small political websites and Social Media accounts back in January so closely match those now publicly advocated by top Trump Administration officials and supposedly based upon our most secure intelligence sources. Perhaps a few intrepid citizen-activists managed to replicate the findings of our multi-billion-dollar intelligence apparatus, and did so in days while the latter required weeks or months. But a more likely scenario is that the wave of January speculation was driven by private leaks and “guidance” provided by exactly the same elements that today are very publicly leveling similar charges in the elite media. Initially promoting controversial theories in less mainstream outlets has long been a fairly standard intelligence practice.

Regardless of the origins of the idea, does it seem plausible that the coronavirus outbreak might have originated as an accidental leak from that Chinese laboratory? I am not privy to the security procedures of Chinese government facilities, but applying a little common sense may shed some light on that question.

Although the coronavirus is only moderately lethal, apparently having a fatality rate of 1% or less, it is extremely contagious, including during an extended pre-symptomatic period and also among asymptomatic carriers. Thus, portions of the US and Europe are now suffering heavy casualties, while the policies adopted to control the spread have devastated their national economies. Although the virus is unlikely to kill more than a small sliver of our population, we have seen to our dismay how a major outbreak can so easily wreck our entire economic life.

During January, the journalists reporting on China’s mushrooming health crisis regularly emphasized that the mysterious new viral outbreak had occurred at the worst possible place and time, appearing in the major transport hub of Wuhan just prior to the Lunar New Year holiday, when hundreds of millions of Chinese would normally travel to their distant family homes for the celebration, thereby potentially spreading the disease to all parts of the country and producing a permanent, uncontrollable epidemic. The Chinese government avoided that grim fate by the unprecedented decision to shut down its entire national economy and confine 700 million Chinese to their own homes for many weeks. But the outcome seems to have been a very near thing, and if Wuhan had remained open for just a few days longer, China might easily have suffered long-term economic and social devastation.

The timing of an accidental laboratory release would obviously be entirely random. Yet the outbreak seems to have begun during the precise period of time most likely to damage China, the worst possible ten-day or perhaps thirty-day window. As I noted in January, I saw no solid evidence that the coronavirus was a bioweapon, but if it were, the timing of the release seemed very unlikely to have been accidental.

 

If the virus was released intentionally, the context and motive for such a biowarfare attack against China could not be more obvious. Although our disingenuous media continues to pretend otherwise, the size of China’s economy surpassed that of our own several years ago, and has continued to grow much more rapidly. Chinese companies have also taken the lead in several crucial technologies, with Huawei becoming the world’s leading telecommunications equipment manufacturer and dominating the important 5G market. China’s sweeping Belt and Road Initiative has threatened to reorient global trade around an interconnected Eurasian landmass, greatly diminishing the leverage of America’s own control over the seas. I have closely followed China for over forty years, and the trend-lines have never been more apparent. Back in 2012, I published an article bearing the provocative title “China’s Rise, America’s Fall?” and since then I have seen no reason to reassess my verdict.

For three generations following the end of World War II, America had stood as the world’s supreme economic and technological power, while the collapse of the Soviet Union thirty years ago left us as the sole remaining superpower, facing no conceivable military rival. A growing sense that we were rapidly losing that unchallenged position had certainly inspired the anti-China rhetoric of many senior figures in the Trump Administration, who launched a major trade war soon after coming into office. The increasing misery and impoverishment of large sections of the American population naturally left these voters searching for a convenient scapegoat, and the prosperous, rising Chinese made a perfect target.

Despite America’s growing economic conflict with China over the last couple of years, I had never considered the possibility that matters might take a military turn. The Chinese had long ago deployed advanced intermediate range missiles that many believed could easily sink our carriers in the region, and they had also generally improved their conventional military deterrent. Moreover, China was on quite good terms with Russia, which itself had been the target of intense American hostility for several years; and Russia’s new suite of revolutionary hypersonic missiles had drastically reduced any American strategic advantage. Thus, a conventional war against China seemed an absolutely hopeless undertaking, while China’s outstanding businessmen and engineers were steadily gaining ground against America’s decaying and heavily-financialized economic system.

Under these difficult circumstances, an American biowarfare attack against China might have seemed the only remaining card to play in hopes of maintaining American supremacy. Plausible deniability would minimize the risk of any direct Chinese retaliation, and if successful, the terrible blow inflicted to China’s economy would set it back for many years, perhaps even destabilizing its social and political system. Using alternative media to immediately promote theories that the coronavirus outbreak was the result of a leak from a Chinese biowarfare lab was a natural means of preempting any later Chinese accusations along similar lines, thereby allowing America to win the international propaganda war before China had even begun to play.

A decision by elements of our national security establishment to wage biological warfare in hopes of maintaining American world power would certainly have been an extremely reckless act, but extreme recklessness has become a regular aspect of American behavior since 2001, especially under the Trump Administration. Just a year earlier we had kidnapped the daughter of Huawei’s founder and chairman, who also served as CFO and ranked as one of China’s most top executives, while at the beginning of January we suddenly assassinated Iran’s top military leader.

 

These were the thoughts that entered my mind during the last week of January once I discovered the widely circulating theories suggesting that China’s massive disease epidemic had been the self-inflicted consequence of its own biowarfare research. I saw no solid evidence that the coronavirus was a bioweapon, but if it were, China was surely the innocent victim of the attack, presumably carried out by elements of the American national security establishment.

Soon afterward, someone brought to my attention a very long article by an American ex-pat living in China who called himself “Metallicman” and held a wide range of eccentric and implausible beliefs. I have long recognized that flawed individuals can often serve as the vessels of important information otherwise unavailable, and this case constituted a perfect example. His piece denounced the outbreak as a likely American biowarfare attack, and provided a great wealth of factual material I had not previously considered. Since he authorized republication elsewhere I did so, and his 15,000 word analysis, although somewhat raw and unpolished, began attracting an enormous amount of readership on our website, probably being one of the very first English-language pieces to suggest that the mysterious new disease was an American bioweapon. Many of his arguments appeared doubtful to me or have been obviated by later developments, but several seemed quite telling.

He pointed out that during the previous two years, the Chinese economy had already suffered serious blows from other mysterious new diseases, although these had targeted farm animals rather than people. During 2018 a new Avian Flu virus had swept the country, eliminating large portions of China’s poultry industry, and during 2019 the Swine Flu viral epidemic had devastated China’s pig farms, destroying 40% of the nation’s primary domestic source of meat, with widespread claims that the latter disease was being spread by mysterious small drones. My morning newspapers had hardly ignored these important business stories, noting that the sudden collapse of much of China’s domestic food production might prove a huge boon to American farm exports at the height of our trade conflict, but I had never considered the obvious implications. So for three years in a row, China had been severely impacted by strange new viral diseases, though only the most recent had been deadly to humans. This evidence was merely circumstantial, but the pattern seemed highly suspicious.

The writer also noted that shortly before the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan, that city had hosted 300 visiting American military officers, who came to participate in the 2019 Military World Games, an absolutely remarkable coincidence of timing. As I pointed out at the time, how would Americans react if 300 Chinese military officers had paid an extended visit to Chicago, and soon afterward a mysterious and deadly epidemic had suddenly broken out in that city? Once again, the evidence was merely circumstantial but certainly raised dark suspicions.

Scientific investigation of the coronavirus had already pointed to its origins in a bat virus, leading to widespread media speculation that bats sold as food in the Wuhan open markets had been the original disease vector. Meanwhile, the orchestrated waves of anti-China accusations had emphasized Chinese laboratory research on that same viral source. But we soon published a lengthy article by investigative journalist Whitney Webb providing copious evidence of America’s own enormous biowarfare research efforts, which had similarly focused for years on bat viruses. Webb was then associated with MintPress News, but that publication had strangely declined to publish her important piece, perhaps skittish about the grave suspicions it directed towards the US government on so momentous an issue. So without the benefit of our platform, her major contribution to the public debate might have attracted relatively little readership.

 

Around the same time, I noted another extremely strange coincidence that failed to attract any interest from our somnolent national media. Although his name had meant nothing to me, in late January my morning newspapers carried major stories on the sudden arrest of Prof. Charles Lieber, one of Harvard University’s top scientists and Chairman of its Chemistry Department, sometimes characterized as a potential future Nobel Laureate.

The circumstances of that case seemed utterly bizarre to me. Like numerous other prominent American academics, Lieber had had decades of close research ties with China, holding joint appointments and receiving substantial funding for his work. But now he was accused of financial reporting violations in the disclosure portions of his government grant applications—the most obscure sort of offense—and on the basis of those accusations, he was seized by the FBI in an early-morning raid on his suburban Lexington home and dragged off in shackles, potentially facing years of federal imprisonment.

Such government action against an academic seemed almost without precedent. During the height of the Cold War, numerous American scientists and technicians were rightfully accused of having stolen our nuclear weapons secrets for delivery to Stalin, yet I had never heard of any of them treated in so harsh a manner, let alone a scholar of Prof. Lieber’s stature, who was merely charged with technical disclosure violations. Indeed, this incident recalled accounts of NKVD raids during the Soviet purges of the 1930s.

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Although Lieber was described as a chemistry professor, a few seconds of Googling revealed that some of his most important work had been in virology, including technology for the detection of viruses. So a massive and deadly new viral epidemic had broken out in China and almost simultaneously, a top American scholar with close Chinese ties and expertise in viruses was suddenly arrested by the federal government, yet no one in the media expressed any curiosity at a possible connection between these two events.

I think we can safely assume that Lieber’s arrest by the FBI had been prompted by the concurrent coronavirus epidemic, but anything more is mere speculation. Those now accusing China of having created the coronavirus might surely suggest that our intelligence agencies discovered that the Harvard professor had been personally involved with that deadly research. But I think a far more likely possibility is that Lieber began to wonder whether the epidemic in China might not be the result of an American biowarfare attack, and was perhaps a little too free in voicing his suspicions, thereby drawing the wrath of our national security establishment. Inflicting such extremely harsh treatment upon a top Harvard scientist would greatly intimidate all of his lesser colleagues elsewhere, who would surely now think twice before broaching certain controversial theories to any journalist.

 

By the end of January, our webzine had published a dozen articles and posts on the coronavirus outbreak, then added many more by the middle of February. These pieces totaled tens of thousands of words and attracted a half million words of comments, probably representing the primary English-language source for a particular perspective on the deadly epidemic, with this material eventually drawing many hundreds of thousands of pageviews. A few weeks later, the Chinese government began gingerly raising the possibility that the coronavirus may have been brought to Wuhan by the 300 American military officers visiting that city, and was fiercely attacked by the Trump Administration for spreading anti-American propaganda. But I strongly suspect that the Chinese had gotten that idea from our own publication.

As the coronavirus gradually began to spread beyond China’s own borders, another development occurred that greatly multiplied my suspicions. Most of these early cases had occurred exactly where one might expect, among the East Asian countries bordering China. But by late February Iran had become the second epicenter of the global outbreak. Even more surprisingly, its political elites had been especially hard-hit, with a full 10% of the entire Iranian parliament soon infected and at least a dozen of its officials and politicians dying of the disease, including some who were quite senior. Indeed, Neocon activists on Twitter began gleefully noting that their hatred Iranian enemies were now dropping like flies.

Let us consider the implications of these facts. Across the entire world the only political elites that have yet suffered any significant human losses have been those of Iran, and they died at a very early stage, before significant outbreaks had even occurred almost anywhere else in the world outside China. Thus, we have America assassinating Iran’s top military commander on Jan. 2nd and then just a few weeks later large portions of the Iranian ruling elites became infected by a mysterious and deadly new virus, with many of them soon dying as a consequence. Could any rational individual possibly regard this as a mere coincidence?

Biological warfare is a highly technical subject, and those possessing such expertise are unlikely to candidly report their classified research activities in the pages of our major newspapers, perhaps even less so after Prof. Lieber was dragged off to prison in chains. My own knowledge is nil. But in mid-March I came across several extremely long and detailed comments on the coronavirus outbreak that had been posted on a small website by an individual calling himself “OldMicrobiologist” and who claimed to be a retired forty-year veteran of American biodefense. The style and details of his material struck me as quite credible, and after a little further investigation I concluded that there was a high likelihood his background was exactly as he had described. I made arrangements to republish his comments in the form of a 3,400 word article, which soon attracted a great deal of traffic and 80,000 words of further comments.

Although the writer emphasized the lack of any hard evidence, he said that his experience led him to strongly suspect that the coronavirus outbreak was indeed an American biowarfare attack against China, probably carried out by agents brought into that country under cover of the Military Games held at Wuhan in late October, the sort of sabotage operation our intelligence agencies had sometimes undertaken elsewhere. One important point he made was that high lethality was often counter-productive in a bioweapon since debilitating or hospitalizing large numbers of individuals may impose far greater economic costs on a country than a biological agent which simply inflicts an equal number of deaths. In his words “a high communicability, low lethality disease is perfect for ruining an economy,” suggesting that the apparent characteristics of the coronavirus were close to optimal in this regard. Those so interested should read his analysis and judge for themselves his possible credibility and persuasiveness.

One intriguing aspect of the situation was that almost from the first moment that reports of the strange new epidemic in China reached the international media, a large and orchestrated campaign had been launched on numerous websites and Social Media platforms to identify the cause as a Chinese bioweapon carelessly released in its own country. Meanwhile, the far more plausible hypothesis that China was the victim rather than the perpetrator had received virtually no organized support anywhere, and only began to take shape as I gradually located and republished relevant material, usually drawn from very obscure quarters and often anonymously authored. So it seemed that only the side hostile to China was waging an active information war. The outbreak of the disease and the nearly simultaneous launch of such a major propaganda campaign may not necessarily prove that an actual biowarfare attack had occurred, but I do think it tends to support such a theory.

 

When considering the hypothesis of an American biowarfare attack, certain natural objections come to mind. The major drawback to biological warfare has always been the obvious fact that the self-replicating agents employed will not respect national borders, thus raising the serious risk that the disease might eventually return to the land of its origin and inflict substantial casualties. For this reason, it seems very doubtful that any rational and half-competent American leadership would have unleashed the coronavirus against China.

But as we see absolutely demonstrated in our daily news headlines, America’s current government is grotesquely and manifestly incompetent, more incompetent than one could almost possibly imagine, with tens of thousands of Americans having now already paid with their lives for such extreme incompetence. Rationality and competence are obviously nowhere to be found among the Deep State Neocons that President Donald Trump has appointed to so many crucial positions throughout our national security apparatus.

Moreover, the extremely lackadaisical notion that a massive coronavirus outbreak in China would never spread back to America might have seemed plausible to individuals who carelessly assumed that past historical analogies would continue to apply. As I wrote a few weeks ago:

Reasonable people have suggested that if the coronavirus was a bioweapon deployed by elements of the American national security apparatus against China (and Iran), it’s difficult to imagine why the they didn’t assume it would naturally leak back in the US and start a huge pandemic here, as is currently happening.

The most obvious answer is that they were stupid and incompetent, but here’s another point to consider…

In late 2002 there was the outbreak of SARS in China, a related virus but that was far more deadly and somewhat different in other characteristics. The virus killed hundreds of Chinese and spread into a few other countries before it was controlled and stamped out. The impact on the US and Europe was negligible, with just a small scattering of cases and only a death or two.

So if American biowarfare analysts were considering a coronavirus attack against China, isn’t it quite possible they would have said to themselves that since SARS never significantly leaked back into the US or Europe, we’d similarly remain insulated from the coronavirus? Obviously, such an analysis was foolish and mistaken, but would it have seemed so implausible at the time?

 

As some must have surely noticed, I have deliberately avoided investigating any of the scientific details of the coronavirus. In principle, an objective and accurate analysis of the characteristics and structure of the virus might help suggest whether it was entirely natural or rather the product of a research laboratory, and in the latter case, perhaps whether the likely source was China, America, or some third country.

But we are dealing with a cataclysmic world event and those questions obviously have enormous political ramifications, so the entire subject is shrouded by a thick fog of complex propaganda, with numerous conflicting claims being advanced by interested parties. I have no background in microbiology let alone biological warfare, so I would be hopelessly adrift in evaluating such conflicting scientific and technical claims. I suspect that this is equally true of the overwhelming majority of other observers as well, although committed partisans are loathe to admit that fact, and will eagerly seize upon any scientific argument that supports their preferred position while rejecting those that contradict it.

Therefore, by necessity, my own focus is on evidence that can at least be understood by every layman, if not necessarily always accepted. And I believe that the simple juxtaposition of several recent disclosures in the mainstream media leads to a rather telling conclusion.

For obvious reasons, the Trump Administration has become very eager to emphasize the early missteps and delays in the Chinese reaction to the viral outbreak in Wuhan, and has presumably encouraged our media outlets to direct their focus in that direction.

As an example of this, the Associated Press Investigative Unit recently published a rather detailed analysis of those early events purportedly based upon confidential Chinese documents. Provocatively entitled “China Didn’t Warn Public of Likely Pandemic for 6 Key Days”, the piece was widely distributed, running in abridged form in the NYT and elsewhere. According to this reconstruction, the Chinese government first became aware of the seriousness of this public health crisis on Jan. 14th, but delayed taking any major action until Jan. 20th, a period of time during which the number of infections greatly multiplied.

Last month, a team of five WSJ reporters produced a very detailed and thorough 4,400 word analysis of the same period, and the NYT has published a helpful timeline of those early events as well. Although there may be some differences of emphasis or minor disagreements, all these American media sources agree that Chinese officials first became aware of the serious viral outbreak in Wuhan in early to mid-January, with the first known death occurring on Jan. 11th, and finally implemented major new public health measures later that same month. No one has apparently disputed these basic facts.

But with the horrific consequences of our own later governmental inaction being obvious, elements within our intelligence agencies have sought to demonstrate that they were not the ones asleep at the switch. Earlier this month, an ABC News story cited four separate government sources to reveal that as far back as late November, a special medical intelligence unit within our Defense Intelligence Agency had produced a report warning that an out-of-control disease epidemic was occurring in the Wuhan area of China, and widely distributed that document throughout the top ranks of our government, warning that steps should be taken to protect US forces based in Asia. After the story aired, a Pentagon spokesman officially denied the existence of that November report, while various other top level government and intelligence officials refused to comment. But a few days later, Israeli television mentioned that in November American intelligence had indeed shared such a report on the Wuhan disease outbreak with its NATO and Israeli allies, thus seeming to independently confirm the complete accuracy of the original ABC News story and its several government sources.

ORDER IT NOW

It therefore appears that elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency were aware of the deadly viral outbreak in Wuhan more than a month before any officials in the Chinese government itself. Unless our intelligence agencies have pioneered the technology of precognition, I think this may have happened for the same reason that arsonists have the earliest knowledge of future fires.

Back in February, before a single American had died from the disease, I wrote my own overview of the possible course of events, and I would still stand by it today:

Consider a particularly ironic outcome of this situation, not particularly likely but certainly possible…

Everyone knows that America’s ruling elites are criminal, crazy, and also extremely incompetent.

So perhaps the coronavirus outbreak was indeed a deliberate biowarfare attack against China, hitting that nation just before Lunar New Year, the worst possible time to produce a permanent nationwide pandemic. However, the PRC responded with remarkable speed and efficiency, implementing by far the largest quarantine in human history, and the deadly disease now seems to be in decline there.

Meanwhile, the disease naturally leaks back into the US, and despite all the advance warning, our totally incompetent government mismanages the situation, producing a huge national health disaster, and the collapse of our economy and decrepit political system.

As I said, not particularly likely, but certainly a very fitting end to the American Empire…

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  1. But their government implemented public health control measures unprecedented in the history of the world and managed to almost completely eradicate the disease with merely the loss of a few thousand lives

    And if you can’t trust China’s numbers, who can you trust?

    The timing of an accidental laboratory release would obviously be entirely random. Yet the outbreak seems to have begun during precise period of time most likely to damage China

    It almost sounds like putting a virus lab in the middle of twelve million people was a bad idea.

    Lol. I can’t believe you’re doubling down on this jackassery.

  2. Ron Unz has done it again!! Good job, I’ve always thought the standard “Wuhan lab leak” theory seemed flawed

  3. Mr Unz, also have you read David Cole’s theory on this (at TakiMag)? I know you and him got in blog beef a couple years ago over your Pravda article on Holocaust, but his theory also criticized the Wuhan “lab leak” and believes the wet markets originated the virus while the state lab was trying to cover up the “natural market” zoonotic mess. Would be fun to (again) watch you 2 debate notes.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    , @hs4691506
  4. Tor597 says:

    If I had told you a year ago that Iran would have its top General assassinated and then its country decimated by a viral infection, that China would be a world pariah with calls for trillion in reparations, that Nicolas Maduro of Venezuela would have a bounty on his head for lol being involved in the cocaine trade, and that Kim Jong Un would be dead who do you think would be the architect of this future?

    Chinese elites or American ones?

    American neocons are literally getting everything they want.

    You can look at all of the damage to the American economy relative to China, but who is really being hurt in America? Regular Americans are being hurt. But the elites are getting bailed out and will buy US assets for pennies on the dollar.

  5. “When considering the hypothesis of an American biowarfare attack, certain natural objections come to mind. The major drawback to biological warfare has always been the obvious fact that the self-replicating agents employed are not prone to respect national borders, raising the serious risk that the disease might eventually return to the land of its origin and inflict substantial casualties. For this reason, it seems quite doubtful that any rational and half-competent American leadership would have unleashed the coronavirus against China.”

    Unless, of course, those in power knew exactly what that ‘blowback’ would entail, as they had modeled it over and over, for years, maybe decades.

    They would be in a position to crash the stock market (and get out at the very top), assure a new alliance between the Federal Reserve and the US Treasury (allowing the elites to use the American taxpayers to fund their losses indefinitely), destroy the middle and lower classes through government ordered ‘lockdowns’ (driving down wages yet again, and making Americans frightened, unemployed and angry, and thereby easily mislead like in the 9/11 aftermath), create a world political environment allowing medical tyranny to make universal yearly vaccines and mandatory microchipping of everyone acceptable to the masses (ala Bill Gates/Tony Fauci/WHO and their Pig Pharma vaccine brigade), drop the price of oil indefinitely to fatally weaken Iran, hurt Russia and allow our predator capitalist banks to scoop up the failing US shale oil industry for pennies (which they are fully preparing to do), and ultimately allow the elites to perfectly time the inevitable deflation of the world’s derivatives bubble, further sending the commoners into complete panic mode (and making their primal fears easily directed against the Western world’s now common enemy, the Red Yellow Hordes.)

    Doesn’t sound very ‘incompetent’ to me. Sounds like utterly evil, but undeniably brilliant, military-economic planning. And it is looking like they may pull this one off, just like 9/11, and get the scared and terminally gullible Western plebes on board for their own further destruction economically, politically, and very possibly physically.

    End Result: the PTB get to blame China for everything; make China foot the bill (or else); and when China balks, prepare the West’s gullible, easily controlled citizens for military conflict if the Chinese don’t roll over and cough up to the West’s satisfaction.

    Incompetence?

    Sure looks to me like a neoliberal zionist-neocon elitist wet dream come true…..

  6. @Otto von Komsmark

    If you believe that the virus originated in a wet market, what’s your theory on why China immediately allowed wet markets to open back up (albeit with guards posted to prevent pics). Are they just exceptionally slow learners or do they realize that the wet market theory was always bogus?

  7. swamped says:

    “…the Chinese government began gingerly raising the possibility that the coronavirus may have been brought to Wuhan by the 300 American military officers visiting that city, and was fiercely attacked by the Trump Administration for spreading anti-American propaganda. But I strongly suspect that the Chinese had gotten that idea from our own publication”…not at all improbable since said publication has a very deep current of slavish devotion to the Chinese state; such that one might even strongly suspect that the publication is getting its ideas from the Chinese totalitarians as much as the other way round. But since ‘false flag’ theories are another popular concept in such discussions, it might be conceivable that the human rights regime in Beijing deliberately released the mystery bug in China & Iran first, in order to throw suspicion on the U.S. The Chinese & Iranian tallies so far have been surprisingly low despite starting there earlier, so if they’re not suppressing the facts, maybe they knew what to expect & were prepared. And the brunt of it would then be borne by their Western ‘adversaries’. Not to mention, that the Chinese despots could reinforce their iron grip on Chinese society with their customary contempt for civil liberties. China’s “current government is grotesquely and manifestly” incompatible with personal freedom, more incompatible than “one could almost possibly imagine”, with tens of millions of Uighurs, Tibetans, dissidents, workers having now already paid with their lives & freedom for such extreme incompatibility.
    “Rationality and competence are obviously nowhere to be found among the Deep State Neocons that President Donald Trump has appointed to so many crucial positions throughout our national security apparatus”…and certainly rationality, competence, humanity are never to be found among Neo-cons anywhere. The President has been wise to largely ignore them. If Trump had been President in ’99, it’s very likely that the absolutely unnecessary, devastating war on Serbia by Hillary & Bill – based on deliberate lies – would never have gotten off the ground.
    President Trump now faces the daunting dilemma of how to protect the society while at the same time not displaying the same disdain for political & civic freedom that is the hallmark of the CCP. An end to America Empire would be a good thing – the President knows that, as he again reiterated the trillions misspent in the M.E. at his daily press conference today – but this isn’t the way to do it. Only a Chinese communist or fellow traveler could believe that.

  8. “At the time, I was overwhelmingly focused on domestic political issues, so I only paid slight attention to our one small military operation of those years, the 1999 NATO air war against Serbia, intended to safeguard the Bosnian Muslims from ethnic cleansing and massacre, a Clinton Administration project that I fully endorsed.” And why should one believe our government and media about “safeguard(ing) the Bosnian Muslims from ethnic cleansing and massacre” any more than one should believe their other lies?

  9. TG says:

    For most of this post, I can’t say one way or the other. I personally think this was either the result of the so-called “wet-markets” in China – long known to be the primary source of the annual flu epidemics (why the heck haven’t they been shut down??) or a criminally NEGLIGENT release from a research lab.

    But.

    “China recognizes that it is vastly outmatched in any propaganda conflict, and so as the far weaker party must necessarily try to stick closer to the truth, lest its lies be immediately exposed. Meanwhile, America’s overwhelming control over information may lead to considerable hubris, with the government sometimes promoting the most outrageous and ridiculous falsehoods in the confident belief that a supportive American media will cover for any mistakes.”

    OUCH! Good one. Nicely said.

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @Anon
  10. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Nearly 30,000 Americans have died from the coronavirus during the last two weeks, and by some estimates this is a substantial under-count

    Quoted numbers of deaths are as unreliable as the number of infections.

    Cause of death as stated in a death certificate is often, and even usually, wrong, and during an epidemic caused by a virus that induces respiratory difficulty it is likely that virtually all deaths due to respiratory dysfunction will be attributed to the virus without confirmatory evidence.

    Furthermore, virtually all deaths of persons testing positive for covid19 will be attributed to the virus even though the deceased may have had multiple other diseases, any one of which could have been the cause of death.

    But as this epidemic is shaping up, it is likely that the estimated death toll will be comparable to that of the seasonal flu in a bad year. Herd immunity is likely now widespread, so the thing should fizzle out soon, with or without continued population incarceration.

    • Agree: Hail, druid55
    • Replies: @anon
    , @Spanky
    , @Gleongelpi
  11. Tor597 says:

    Unz, just wanted to say that it has been quite a ride to read this blog during the outbreak.

    Stuff we talked about 2 months ago is starting to trickle out into the mainstream with the appropriate spin of course.

    There really is no other place where alternative views such as your get a proper viewing.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  12. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Boris Johnson boldly declared that his own coronavirus plan for Britain was based upon rapidly achieving “herd immunity”—essentially encouraging the bulk of his citizens to become infected—then quickly backed away after his desperate advisors recognized that the result might entail a million or more British deaths.

    LOL. Neil Ferguson an Imperial College epidemiologist with an awesomely bad track record in predicting the course of epidemics, made some such prediction which he soon modified to a very much smaller number – 20,000 I believe, a number not yet reached.

    In fact, the original plan was abandoned for fear that unrestricted spread of the virus would result in a concentration of infections, which at the peak, would overload hospitals by that minority of cases requiring hospital treatment.

    • Replies: @anon
  13. Getaclue says:
    @Ozymandias

    Seems they could and did: https://fromrome.info/2020/03/26/rai-in-2015-reported-that-the-chinese-had-developed-covid-19/

    https://fromrome.info/2020/03/17/multiple-studies-point-to-chinese-biowarfare-lab-in-wuhan-as-designer-of-covid-19/

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/update-dr-shi-zhengli-ran-coronavirus-research-wuhan-us-project-shut-dhs-2014-risky-prior-leak-killed-researcher/

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/france-also-involved-wuhan-coronavirus-facility-awarded-bat-doctor-shi-high-level-french-civil-medal/

    Not just NWO ChiCom China of course– they’re just the tool, the NWO “Elites”/Globalists, who shipped USA Manufacturing to China and destroyed the Middle Class in the USA etc., have made China the “Model” for us all — “Social Credit Scores” for the Peons, an authoritarian “Party” of “Elites” with all power, Peons having to get a “green” signal on their cell phones every time they go outside…. — NWO Globalist “Elites” actually running the CVirus show/”Production”/911 “Event” Part 2 — “Invisible Terrorists Forever”– meanwhile most “journalists” are cheering the loss of freedoms and anyone who points out what is going on wants to “kill Grandma” is “Selfish” it’s all about on a Junior High School level but after getting away with 911 Demolition anyone not a rube, grifter/or in on it knew they’d be back to finish it off– and so they are here with the Plandemic:
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/elite-covid-19-coup-against-terrified-humanity-resisting-powerfully/5709479

    Side note: Interesting the Mainslime Media is not all over China’s Racism towards Blacks as evidenced in their Ad here against “Diversity” and “Race Mixing”– they aren’t kidding! Seems ChiComs can do what YT could never….: https://twitter.com/sadir_Palwan/status/1250570077163925509

    All of it laid out on the Walls of the creepy NWO/Masonic Denver Airport: https://thechive.com/2012/03/08/something-is-rotten-in-the-denver-airport-25-photos/

    Rothschild Magazine too: https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/order-out-of-chaos-how-the-elites-plans-were-foretold-in-popular-culture/

    • Agree: Christopher Marlowe
    • Replies: @AB_Anonymous
  14. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Grossly unfair to blame the Trump administration for the depredations of the deep state.

    • LOL: bluedog
    • Replies: @Greg the American
    , @Julius
  15. “The Myth of Tiananmen”

    .

    Nanjing anti-African protests

    The Nanjing protests were groundbreaking dissidence for China and went from solely expressing concern about alleged [sic] improprieties by African men to increasingly calling for democracy or human rights. They were paralleled by burgeoning demonstrations in other cities during the period between the Nanjing and the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, with some elements of the original protests that started in Nanjing still evident in Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, such as banners proclaiming “Stop Taking Advantage of Chinese Women” even though the vast majority of African students had left the country by that point.

  16. Jeremygg5 says:
    @Ozymandias

    And if you can’t trust China’s numbers, who can you trust?

    It’s very true that China’s numbers is perhaps the best numbers that you could trust.

    Moritz Kraemer, a scholar at Oxford University who is leading a team of researchers in mapping the global spread of the coronavirus, says China’s data “provided incredible detail,” including a patient’s age, sex, travel history and history of chronic disease, as well as where the case was reported, and the dates of the onset of symptoms, hospitalization and confirmation of infection.
    The United States, he said, “has been slow in collecting data in a systematic way.”. The article not only showing the chaotic situation in different states, but highlights the limited information shared with scientific community.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/us/coronavirus-data-privacy.html

    The WHO too only had high praises for China’s transparency and efficiency.

    The only parties challenging these are Trump, Mike Pompeo, and the US Intelligence. Make a pick who to trust.

  17. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    But in mid-March I came across several extremely long and detailed comments on the coronavirus outbreak that had been posted on a small website by an individual calling himself “OldMicrobiologist” and who claimed to be a retired forty-year veteran of American biodefense. The style and details of his material struck me as quite credible, and after a little further investigation I concluded that there was a high likelihood that his background was exactly as he had described. I made arrangements to republish his comments in the form of a 3,400 word article, which soon attracted a great deal of traffic and 80,000 words of further comments.

    Although the writer said that he had absolutely no proof, he said that his experience led him to strongly suspect that the coronavirus outbreak was indeed an American biowarfare attack against China, probably carried out by agents brought into that country under cover of the Military Games held at Wuhan in late October, the sort of sabotage operation our intelligence agencies had sometimes undertaken elsewhere.

    Oh God, that crap again. Some geezer who may or may not have any relevant expertise, had a suspicion, but absolutely no proof, of a goofy theory that to launch a biowarfare attack on China the US Government had the brilliant idea of having the agent released by a contingent of 300 American soldiers participating in the international military games held in Wuhan, China.

    Is that a stupid idea, or what?

    And anyhow, there is evidence just published in the Proceedings of the US National Academy of Sciences that the viral epidemic in China did not begin in Wuhan and, furthermore, it began earlier than originally believed, i.e., before the Military Games.

    But we are dealing with a cataclysmic world event

    Not really. Just a new disease out of China, one of many from China since the year dot, which has a lethality comparable to the seasonal flu. The event is cataclysmic only because of the economic consequences of the public policy response in most Western states, though not Sweden.

  18. nsa says:
    @Ozymandias

    Hey Ozy, The Australians claimed to have suffered only 120 wu-wu virus deaths total. The South Koreans claim only 250 wu-wu deaths total. In Ozy world, are they liars too along with the Chinese? Or is it possible they have a functional public health system and moderately competent politicians who decided to fix the wu-wu virus problem……….instead of playing golf and bullshitting the public for six weeks. The wu-wu virus death total in the essential exceptional nation is now 42,000 and rising. No other country is even close. It’s like Trumpie heard the experts advise “fatten the curve” instead of “flatten the curve”.

    • LOL: Parfois1
    • Replies: @Seraphim
  19. Anonymous[886] • Disclaimer says:

    So, you “fully endorsed” Clinton Administration 1999 NATO air war against Serbia, and you don’t even know that it wasn’t “intended to safeguard the Bosnian Muslims from ethnic cleansing and massacre”,
    because war in Bosnia was already done long before 1999 (war finished in 1995).

    • Replies: @Gorgeous George
    , @sarz
  20. Hail says: • Website

    the Tiananmen Square Massacre Hoax

    a year or two ago I happened to come across a short article by journalist Jay Matthews entitled “The Myth of Tiananmen” that completely upended that apparent reality.

    According to Matthews the infamous massacre had likely never happened, but was merely a media artifact produced by confused Western reporters and dishonest propaganda, a mistaken belief that had quickly become embedded in our standard media storyline, endlessly repeated by so many ignorant journalists that they all eventually believed it to be true.

    the protesting students had all left Tiananmen Square peacefully, just as the Chinese government had always maintained.

    the bulk of the mainstream media had fallen for an apparent hoax.

    This is like saying the St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre was a hoax because most of the deaths occurred overnight, past midnight, no longer St. Bartholomew’s Day, ergo “the St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre” was a Hoax. Throwing the baby out with a technicality.

    Checking the Jay Matthews story, I see this:

    Hundreds of people, most of them workers and passersby, did die that night, but in a different place and under different circumstances.

    The Chinese government estimates more than 300 fatalities. Western estimates are somewhat higher. Many victims were shot by soldiers on stretches of Changan Jie, the Avenue of Eternal Peace, about a mile west of the square, and in scattered confrontations in other parts of the city

  21. thordaddy says:

    And now back to the local scene… There is no “there” there.

  22. Nils says:

    Many things to discuss…

    Regarding SARS inability to spread further, that’s why the glycoprotein 120 was added: it’s an external protein they borrowed from HIV and CRISPR’d onto the Covid-19.

    Interesting enough by including this mechanism in the novel virus they have perhaps laid the ground for future AIDS type syndromes in those who get the virus or some variant of it. That’s another topic deserving it’s own crowd funded public research.

    Much of the suddenly far reaching effects of this novel virus derive from the advent of CRISP technology and the ability to fuse different parts of virus into one. Of course, zoonotic transmission still needs to occur hence all the special grants to Wuhan Institute and North Carolina in doing this type of research, going out and collecting the special virus out of bat shit 600 miles away from Wuhan in caves in remote China, and feeding it to pigs and chimps who die and the process is repeated until a stable virus is developed.

    Interesting enough… Dr Fauci is an expert on HIV and specifically glycoprotein 120. He’s worked to run private trial tests while working in the government probably for his Fort Detrick buddies.

    Everyone reading this article and still intrigued for more information out to check out two key players that researching the origins of the virus and it’s likely bioengineered origins:

    George Webb on YouTube

    Dr. Paul Cottrell on YouTube

    This virus has links to Fauci, research at Fort Detrick, as well as research carried out in North Carolina and Wuhan that was paid for by grants from Fauci while running major government groups.

    It appears part of this operation utilized the NATO transport network for transporting deadly diseases and nuclear material. In fact, one such courier was in Wuhan as an American cyclist for the military games…

    But I digress.

    The blowback part Ron mentions being the consequence of stupidity from the government are possible but I think unlikely. If you follow parallel developments in geopolitics and, specifically, finance (not withstanding all of Bill Gates work with companies to have a vaccine ready to go…), you’ll see perhaps the makings of a grand conspiracy to (1) cement the strength of the dollar and (2) sequester Chinese economic growth and power all at once.

    For this to work most of the government would not know what’s going on and that probably includes Trump. Plus, what better way to hide culpability than to inflict a wound on yourself?

    For links to articles discussing this topic see below:

    https://thesaker.is/strengthening-the-us-dollar-comments-on-ramin-mazaheri/

  23. Mike-SMO says:

    Everyone is enjoying the screaming and paranoia but China (East Asia) has been producing new and “wonderful” diseases for several thousand years. They used to have bacterial variations but in the last few centuries have moved to designer viruses.

    South China has wall-to-wall rice paddies where wild and migratory animals feed, drink and sh*t with farm animals under the care of a billion or so humans with primitive concepts of sanitation and minimal, to no, modern healthcare, so “rare” or “unlikely” bug mutations and species “jumps” are just a matter of time. The wild birds of China Summer in Siberia and Alaska with all the other birds of the world. The “Real” Globalism…..

    The appearance of Corona variants in Kazhakstan, Iran, the Gulf States, and Israeli ckickens, or the appearance of “pig flu” in Mexico, or the Spanish Flu (1918?) in Kansas, all under major bird migratory routes, should not be too much of a surprise. Even if a US, UN or Chinese agency finds it. Be aware that this used to happen before Boeing and AirBus joined the game.

    Be careful cleaning the poop off your windshield and/or yard furniture.

    Damn flying dinosaurs are dangerous. If you find some poop with a “made in China” label, call the authorities. They will love the warning about the poison from a flying Chinese Communist dragon.

    • Agree: Gleimhart Mantooso
  24. Anonymous[785] • Disclaimer says:

    Tl;dr

    The coronavirus is serial! Thooper serial! Look at all these in depth political analyses and ignore the facts in plain view!

    Blowback is a particularly telling choice of word, since I remember Noam Chomsky using the same term. He used it to add weight to the official 9/11 story by claiming the events were a direct result of US foreign policy, which re-enforced the Muslim terrorist angle and stopped people from looking for the real culprits.

  25. utu says:

    Ron, when exactly did you republish the Metallicman’s blog? The following seems to imply that it was in late January:

    These were the thoughts that came to mind during the last week of January…..

    At that point,….a very long article by an American ex-pat living in China who called himself “Metallicman” ….

    and the date under the title is January 27 but the first comment was on February 14.

    • Thanks: Ron Unz
  26. Anon[605] • Disclaimer says:

    Another great installment in the American Pravda series. I use to work in the federal government and always wondered why employees of the Nationals Archives* needed a top secret U.S. government clearance and why employees of Presidential libraries needed to have the same security clearance as a nuclear submarine commander (top secret- sensitive compartmented information). What secrets could there possibly be from 60 years ago?? Then it dawned on me that it could never be known by the general public how their country behaves toward other countries and why and how we go to war. We would lose all faith in our government.

    I have only one small correction:

    [Charles Lieber] was seized by the FBI in an early-morning raid on his Cambridge home and dragged off in shackles, potentially facing decades of federal imprisonment.

    He lives in a wooded suburban neighborhood in Lexington, MA, not in the city of Cambridge.

    * https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/565429100

    • Agree: Ber
    • Thanks: Ron Unz
  27. Vaterland says:

    On the one hand a bio-warfare attack on China is something I can absolutely see the American elites post 9/11 do. Their track-record speaks for itself.

    There have also been significant shifts in Europe’s alignment, on which US global dominance critically depends: the continuation of Northstream 2 against the explicit wishes of the Americans, 5 G expansion and Huawei cooperation in the European market, plans of replacing NATO with a European army (talks on the fringe of the right about a defense pact with Russia), the Belt and Road trillion dollar project which has its better European name as “The New Silk Road”. Eurasian integration goes directly against the global dominance strategy of the US Empire. Europe is also now caught between an intense and visible propaganda warfare of the USA and China/Russia.

    And there were also the proxy-war in Ukraine and the refugee crisis: the latter at minimum a fallout of US-Israeli wars in the Middle East and the Zionist assault against Libya; yet not unlikely itself a direct assault against Europe. And not only Willy Wimmer, closest adviser to our old chancellor Helmut Kohl, strongly suspected as much already back in 2015. Wimmer had been part of several war games in Langley in his time in the German government, quite clearly reasoning that in modern warfare you cannot initiate a conflict without knowing where the refugees will go – it is part of the planning process.

    There also exists this paper:
    https://www.belfercenter.org/publication/strategic-engineered-migration-weapon-war

    On the other hand we must recognize the long term and massive investments of for example Blackrock and Vanguard into China; the ambitions to liberalize Chinese society and further open their economy for foreign, especially US investments; the attempts of Zionism to set up shop in China; the key role of Israel in the Belt and Road project and the admiration the Chinese have for Jews and their material success.

    If it was a bio-warfare attack and if the ambition is to lock the USA and China in a new Cold War with potential proxy wars, then Americas financial and Jewish elite, which so very much dominate the deep state neocons, must be of the opinion that their profits will not be affected by it.

    And if it was the long-term plan of Zionism and much of Americas financial, largely Jewish, elite to shift their power-base from the USA which they have effectively subjugated to the less secured China, then a bio-warfare attack would hardly be a smart move to keep the transition as quiet as possible.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
    , @refl
  28. Seraphim says:

    @if American biowarfare analysts were considering a coronavirus attack against China, isn’t it quite possible they would have said to themselves that since SARS never significantly leaked back into the US or Europe, we’d similarly remain insulated from the coronavirus? Obviously, such an analysis was foolish and mistaken, but would it have seemed so implausible at the time?

    Albert Einstein: “Insanity Is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting Different Results”.
    Moreover, in establishing whether a crime was committed, the criminal investigation has to establish first that there was a motive, the means and the opportunity to commit the crime. All these criteria are satisfied in this case pointing to a biological attack against China and its allies.
    The possibility of biowarfare (and its desirability) was unequivocally formulated in September 2000 when the ‘Project for the New American Century’ released “Rebuilding America’s Defenses”, a report that promotes “the belief that America should seek to preserve and extend its position of global leadership by maintaining the preeminence of U.S. military forces.” The report also states, “advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool”.
    The first bioweapons research program was initiated in America by Sir Frederick Banting with corporate sponsorship in 1940.
    From Wikipedia (no secrets): In 1942 “U.S. Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson requested that the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) undertake consideration of U.S. biological warfare. In response the NAS formed a committee, the War Bureau of Consultants (WBC), which issued a report on the subject in February 1942.The report, among other items, recommended the research and development of an offensive biological weapons program.
    The British, and the research undertaken by the WBC, pressured the U.S. to begin biological weapons research and development and in November 1942 U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt officially approved an American biological weapons program. In response to the information provided by the WBC, Roosevelt ordered Stimson to form the War Research Service (WRS). Established within the Federal Security Agency, the WRS’ stated purpose was to promote “public security and health”, but, in reality, the WRS was tasked with coordinating and supervising the U.S. biological warfare program. In the spring of 1943 the U.S. Army Biological Warfare Laboratories were established at Fort (then Camp) Detrick in Maryland”.
    The Chinese read their James Bond: “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action”.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
    • Thanks: annamaria
  29. It doesn’t make sense to me that the US would fly drones over chinese pig farms half way around the world in order to infect half the pigs in China with African swine flu.
    Smithfield is the largest producer of pork in the US. Smithfield is owned by a Chinese firm. So China is making up for their lack of domestic pork by buying their own US pork. How would this risky venture benefit the US? Yet this was the accusation labelled against the US by many Chinese. With zero proof.

    The timing of this pandemic is very beneficial to the deep state, and the MSM is hyping the heck out of it; and the CDC et al are pumping up the numbers to make it seems as bad as possible. It’s like they WANT a global pandemic. To crash the market and make DJT look bad? That is what the Biden for drooling pres campaign videos are hyping already.

    If there is a germ war going on, it is China doing it to its communist shit-hole self. I don’t know why anybody trades with them. The Chinese state literally kills Uyghurs and Falun Gong and steals their organs, but they have favored nation trading status? wtf

    • Replies: @anon
  30. Octavian says: • Website

    Interesting take.

    It is fairly congruent with my own writeup from a few weeks back. Although I did not go so far as to definitively endorse any particular theory. The idea of this all being an American strike on China is the interesting hypothesis to me and fits my understanding of how America’s geopolitical toolbox might work best. There is also a case to be made that the blowback stateside is a feature not a bug.

    The United States could come out ahead in terms of the great game with China. But only if it can play its cards correctly.

    Ultimately, what enough people think about this whole situation is what will define outcomes and right now things are on track for the bulk of the Chinese population to think that this is an American attack and for a significant number of Americans to believe that this is either accidental or deliberate Chinese action.

    I think those popular attitudes are very valuable to their respective governments.

    It’s not helpful to onshore blame.

    Thanks for another engaging article!

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  31. anon[227] • Disclaimer says:

    Devil’s advocacy is always an important intellectual activity, but you seemed to have pretty much pointed out the hole in your grand theory yourself.

    If we’re going to imagine the US gov’t apparatus is competent enough to start the virus in China, one would have to presume (if their collective IQ’s approach anywhere near 90) that they would also set up for the contingency that it might come to the US too.

    Imagining otherwise is akin to thinking the US top brass have the intelligence of some of those bonehead crooks who sometimes make the news for their stupid (and funny) attempts at crime. The US top brass might be dumb, but c’mon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn5CvDgaZSc

  32. Miro23 says:

    I think we can safely assume that Lieber’s arrest by the FBI had been prompted by the coronavirus epidemic, but anything more is mere speculation. Those now accusing China of having created the coronavirus might surely suggest that our intelligence agencies discovered that the Harvard professor had been personally involved with that deadly research. But I think a far more likely possibility is that Lieber began to wonder whether the epidemic in China might not be the result of an American biowarfare attack, and was perhaps a little too free in voicing his suspicions, thereby drawing the wrath of our national security establishment.

    Or alternatively, who would a laboratory whistleblower turn to other than a respected Harvard professor, who would understand the technical aspects, and who he may actually already have known and trusted?

    Thus, we have America assassinating Iran’s top military commander on Jan. 2nd and then just a few weeks later large portions of the Iran’s ruling elites became infected by a mysterious and deadly new virus, with many of them soon dying as a consequence. Could any rational individual possibly regard this as a mere coincidence?

    An irresistible add-on like Larry Silverstein’s extra insurance cover and payout.

    One intriguing aspect of the situation was that almost from the first moment that reports of the strange new epidemic in China reached the international media, a large and orchestrated campaign had been launched on numerous websites and Social Media to identify the cause as a Chinese bioweapon carelessly released in its own country.

    Again similar to 9/11 with an instant media explanation trumpeted around the world (no investigation necessary).

    It therefore appears that elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency were aware of the deadly viral outbreak in Wuhan more than a month before any officials in the Chinese government itself. Unless our intelligence agencies have pioneered the technology of precognition, I think this may have happened for the same reason that arsonists have the earliest knowledge of future fires.

    Agreed – they really messed it up – and it would be a world class irony if it was their own virus that wrecks the US economy.

  33. mike99588 says:

    The Chinese embassy in Serbia is an interesting side story. However, as much as I disagreed with why we were there, another Clinton abuse of office, China was apparently participating as a combatant providing crucial signals support to the Serbian military. Topped off by handling sensitive F117 residuals that we wanted destroyed. Or perhaps only some of US, given various conflicts of interests in both Clinton globalism and sharing/planned obsolescence by arms makers….

    CV19
    The “US did it” is a possibility that certainly should be addressed in the continuum of many possibilities. I certainly would look for linkages between BHO administration/Gates/academia/DeepGreen/China. China certainly does not act innocent, covering up the early patients’ stories and physical evidence a la our JFK scale.

    As for US incompetence, the globalist media favors CCP; liberalism; Big Tech; Big Medicine; the Democratic Party; along with the O/Clintonista FDA and CDC, have done everything possible to hamstring accurate CV19 information amongst the citizenry, and specifically against Trump. Huge TDS.

    Months of near total shutdown on IV vitamin C, bowel tolerance dosing of vitamin C, high dose vitamin D, quercetin and orthomolecular cocktails for prophylaxis and treatment. As well as censorship and savage attacks on people trying to evolve the HCQ+AZM+zinc cocktail.

  34. A few loose thoughts, firstly that China accusation is one of the most egregious exhibitions of chutzpah by the western government & media.
    Trial by media, if you will.
    We now have ignoramuses spouting that “China has exterminated 21 million virus carriers” despite rational economic explanation of the phenomenon https://www.tweaktown.com/news/71555/21-million-chinese-phone-users-vanished-not-attributed-to-coronavirus/index.html

    Prof Lieber’s greatest “crime” is probably because he is responsible for saving untold numbers of potential infectees, at least in the early stages
    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2004/10/sensor-detects-identifies-single-viruses/
    ie his work on virus detection & identification is why the Chinese government was able to deal with the pandemic so quickly & effectively.

    A bioweapon does Not have to have a high bodycount to work as intended; weapons of mass destruction – even nukes (despite western brainwashing that they “ended WWII”) – have very few military applications and primarily target civilians.
    Their main effect is disruption & demoralisation; in this Covid-19 has succeeded beyond possible expectations.

    The USA has patents for coronaviruses going back to 2003, post-SARS:
    https://patents.google.com/patent/US7220852B1/en
    https://patents.google.com/patent/US10130701B2/en
    https://patents.justia.com/patent/10130701
    Whilst these are Not the Covid-19 variant, it goes to show that they can indeed be vat-grown.
    Even should the current coronavirus be a natural mutation, it can still be weaponised.
    Many of the most fearsome pathogens such as smallpox, anthrax and the bubonic plague are also natural-born killers. Supposedly they have been eradicated from the face of the planet, safely existing only in military laboratories around the globe, for research purposes of course.

    The circumstantial evidence that Cov19 is a bioattack is enormous, and the likelihood of US origin is pretty damning. The US government will be desperate to point fingers everywhere else, and is using the tried&tested trial by media +obfuscation, rather than logic and reasoning.
    If hard proof of US culpability manifests then the appropriate level of China’s response will be “nuclear” (I don’t mean actual nukes, but something like dumping US treasury bonds).

    • Replies: @annamaria
  35. Meanwhile, the disease naturally leaks back into the US

    How?

    Is there specific information tracing this “leak” to China?

    Is it possible — is it even conceivable — that the same logic that you detailed to tip the scales in favor of US biowarfare against China can also suggest that the bioweapon did not “naturally leak” into the US but was deliberately deployed against the people of the United States?

    Follow the money: the goal of (speculated) biowar against China was, as you wrote, not to kill but to economically devastate a formidable competitor-turned-adversary (same thing the US has been doing to Iran by sanctions since at least 1995 with Clinton’s executive order, made permanent by the D’Amato Iran Libya Sanctions Act).

    The goal of biowar against the people of the USA is to cripple the economy, to Weimarize American commerce and enable those left standing to scoop up the life’s work and investment of millions of entrepreneurs for pennies on the dollar, with the added travesty that those left standing are supplied with dollars by the very taxpayers whose assets are being snapped up!

    • Agree: annamaria, bjondo
    • Replies: @Derer
  36. The Chinese government lied and continues to lie about the virus.

    The Wuhan leadership knew in mid December and arrested doctors who leaked the info and destroyed lab records.

    Xi likely knew no later than January 1.

    There are thousands of wet markets in southern China and SE Asia, but only the one a short walk from the Wuhan Institute of Virology allegedly was the source.

    Chinese researchers worked in America to develop this exact virus, adding HIV to SARS, and left in 2015 to work in Wuhan.

    Chinese national was arrested in 2018 in Detroit while carrying live SARS and MERS viruses.

    Chinese scientists working in Canada were kicked out in 2019 for shipping stolen biological material to Wuhan.

    It was developed in the lab, but I suspect the release was accidental. The cover up and letting the virus spread around the world was intentional.

    Xi is fighting to maintain power. He might not succeed……

    The US government did fund the research of those Chinese researchers at UNC. They continued to fund them in China.

    China’s economy had already stalled. Then it lost the trade war. Banks were failing. Foreign companies were moving out. Xi used the opportunity of the virus to avoid the disaster of economic collapse and to hurt the rest of the world…… after the Century of Humiliation, China would rather take the rest of the world down rather than go down alone.

  37. @ Ron Unz,

    Although nearby East Asian nations such as South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and Singapore had been at greatest risk and were among the first infected, their competent and energetic responses….

    Japan’s reaction to the Corona virus is/was not competent and energetic, unless you want to count the way how the Japanese government dealt with the cruise ship ‘Diamond Princess’ as a resounding success. Send army recruits without protection to the ship, start with 10 patients, quarantine the entire ship, end up with 765 infected individuals, and then send people [tourists] home. I live on one of the 4 big islands and there is no lock down here. Below is a picture I took just now [what they refer to as a Junior High School], Tuesday, 21 April, 2020 ~16:00 P.M. fro the window of my apartment.

    Judge for yourself.

    No masks. No distance. No governmental guidance. Japan is run by bureaucrats and it shows.

    Thanks for the article. It was a pleasure to read.

  38. Hail says: • Website

    According to this reconstruction, the Chinese government first became aware of the seriousness of this public health crisis on Jan. 14th, but delayed taking any major action until Jan. 20th, a period of time during which the number of infections greatly multiplied.

    This also fits in with an alternative explanation, which is admittedly wild but which I would say is considerably less wild than the bioweapon-blowback theory:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/for-want-of-a-nail/#comment-3847340

    J.Ross has proposed […] this whole thing may be a Chinese Communist Party ‘Hoax,’ in the sense that while the ‘new’ virus is real (there are always ‘new viruses’), the reaction was at least 1000x what was necessary to deal with a bad flu strain and that China played it up to scare people, especially the US. China’s actions (mass shutdown) triggered a series of events that scared everyone. But none of the data we have corroborate the Mass Killer Apocalypse Virus fears. So what was this?

    [MORE]

    [This] theory would have it that the CCP’s sudden about-face on The New Virus — a literally overnight about-face [Jan. 20] from “not a big deal” to “shut down a region with 60 million people, cue the Virus Apocalypse Movie film reels and the hazmat suits” — was a calculated bid to hurt the US and to hurt Western economies. By the time of the unexpected about-face, they had 100% certainty it had spread to the US and elsewhere, AND that these countries had the kind of media that would go into hysteria mode AND had the technological capacity to do “testing.”

    This theory would attribute to the CCP a calculated bid to create a false virus panic with plausible deniability (“so sorry! we didn’t have the data! it was early; we reacted the best we could; and hey even the highly-neutral WHO are calling us heroes”) which would scare people and trigger a series of events that throw the US and its satellites in Western Europe into chaos, making the latter easier pickings for Belt & Road and Huawi colonization, etc.; countries dazed by a mass-hysteria-recession are suddenly beggars, not choosers.

    The Chinese Communist Party’s calculation would have been, on that fateful ‘about-face’ evening, that the West was much less ready to handle a panic than Communist China would be. It was a risk to them but it worked.

    If this theory is right, in fact, the CCP succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. A case of the dog finally catching the car bumper; what the heck now? The results for China’s regime itself are unclear, given that the cynical triggering of mass-hysteria-recessions in major trading partners equates to a drought that sinks all boats.

    The alternative, and many would say more plausible theory, is that the Chinese Communist Party panicked, too, and reacted highly irrationally, taking a sledgehammer to a handful of mosquitoes and then salting the earth where the flattened bodies of the mosquitoes landed. Or a synthesis of the two may be true. It’s hard to disentangle motivations. But the unexplained ‘about-face’ is real and needs explanation.

    • Replies: @utu
  39. In the end, does it matter? Even if we take the more innocuous version at face value: the virus had nothing to do with bioweapons and simply mutated naturally from bats to humans, the response of the West has been utterly atrocious either way.

    We’re now seeing a Yellow Peril 2.0 campaign ramped up at astonishing speed. The so-called “liberal class”, posturing as tolerant and sophisticated, is now trying to run on Trump’s right flank on China. Joe Biden’s campaign ads on China are Cold War-style cariactures.

    I’ve been seeing the consequences play out even in neutral places. I frequent quite a few technology-related subreddits and the unmitigated hatred of China is truly a sight to be hold. Even the most tangential topics get hijacked by zealots. For all the talk about how the media’s power is supposedly dimishing, the cattle is still very much influenced by what the MSM tells them to think.

    On a related note, I find this article to be great: https://thegrayzone.com/2020/04/20/trump-media-chinese-lab-coronavirus-conspiracy/

    I hope Unz can syndicate some stories from The Grayzone, which I find to be the only publication on the left which isn’t in thrall with the DNC. Even Democracy Now! and Jacobin are pushing state department scare stories on China. The total collapse of the American left over the last 10-15 years is a greatly undertold story.

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Joey Pastrami
    , @Anonymous
  40. utu says:

    The alleged report by National Center for Medical Intelligence (NCMI) is the most damning piece of evidence if the report does exist. Here is the official denial:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/pentagon-bashes-bombshell-abc-report-denies-u-s-intel-identified-coronavirus-threat-in-november/
    Colonel R. Shane Day, a medical doctor and director of the NCMI, issued a rare public statement to deny the existence of the report.

    “As a matter of practice, the National Center for Medical Intelligence does not comment publicly on specific intelligence matters,” Day said. “However, in the interest of transparency during this current public health crisis, we can confirm that media reporting about the existence/release of a National Center for Medical Intelligence Coronavirus-related product/assessment in November of 2019 is not correct. No such NCMI product exists.”

    So we are in the “Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.” territory.

    What is important is not that Channel 12 (in Israel) followed the ABC article but that it added an extra bit of information which was not in the original ABC article that the report was passed to Israel and that the IDF held a first discussion about it still in November.

    Fooling some ABC reporter by offering her Trump damaging leak that Trump knew but did nothing could be easy but getting a confirmation from Israel where presumably sources in the IDF had to be involved it does not seem as a simple get Trump operation.

    • Agree: Jean-Marie L.
  41. Pft says:

    I don’t think people understand the extent of collaboration between US and China including Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) , It actually goes back to the early 1980’s with cooperation between USAMIID and WIV on Hanta Viruses. More recently extensive collaboration between China and US on gain of function studies and virus hunting, especially with corona viruses from bats. Ralph Baric UNC and Shih Zhengli from Wuhan have published papers together . Funding of joint studies from USAMIID, NIAID, DARPA. NIH, etc. George Gao the Director of Chinese CDC participated in the Event 201 simulation. There are many more ties. Google Wuhan Biolake -a lot of global biotech companies there.

    I dont think anyone can know the extent of the disease in China. After all a super spreading virus from as early as November circulating in heavily polluted Wuhan, a city more populated than NYC , which was also a major domestic and international transportation hub with millions leaving the city for other destinations in China and internationally in the weeks before Wuhan was locked down just before the New Year when everything shuts down for 2 weeks anyways. And yet the disease only spreads to Europe and US but not to any degree outside Hubei province? Not believable.

    And as for US deaths from COVID-19 being undercounted. Where is the evidence for that. CDC has basically informed everyone to count a case as COVID based on suspicions (no positive test needed). If a heart disease patient of 80 years old has a heart attack while also having pneumonia its COVID-19. And those tests, they haven’t been validated. There are many different tests. We don’t know the specificity of any of them. Very likely there are many false positives. Also if a hospital can collect more money from medicare with a covid-19 diagnosis, guess whats going to be diagnosed more often.

    So I am skeptical.

    Now 30,000 deaths attributed to covid in 2 weeks is a lot. In a normal 2 week period there would be 110,000 total deaths. So have there been 140,000 deaths in total, or just 110, 000 deaths with 30, 000 called Covid deaths? I dont know.

    I actually expect more deaths than normal even without covid. Suicides. More deaths from heart attacks and stroke due to financial stress and people delaying treatment out of fear of getting the virus. More cancer deaths for same reason. Increased alcoholism and obesity should trigger more deaths in the next few months.

    One has to consider this an event on an international scale on a par with 9/11 in magnitude and impact on freedoms. Curious how WHO declares pandemic on 3/11. Coincidence I guess.

    Lot of players in the Virus Industrial Complex stand to make a lot of money in coming years as a result. The Globalists will push through digital ID and mandatory vaccination for international travelers if not everyone and the Global Health Security Alliance (GHSA) will be strengthened. The right will get tighter immigration controls and more bailouts for Big Business. The left gets a taste of universal income and perhaps medicare for all (2009 pandemic helped get Obamacare approved). And the technocrats will get more toys for the Surveillance and Tracking Industry with Big Data monitoring all the chipped individuals health among other things. Cashless society to minimize virus spread pushed through so all transactions can be logged. Everyone wins but the little guy.

    And you can bet the Greenies will capitalize on this

    Since the Virus Industrial Complex took over the Public Health Agencies in the 1970’s we have had endless Virus Scares, Swine Flu in 1976, Hepatitis B (1978) , AIDS in 1980,
    MS-ME/CFS outbreaks (1984), HPV/Cervical Cancer (1984), HHV-6 (1986) , SARS (2003) , Bird Flu (2005), Swine Flu (2009) , MERs (2012) Zika (2014) Measles (2014) Ebola (2015) and now COVID-2019

    See a pattern here?

    We got virus finders/makers in academia and security /military agencies in the interest of biowarfare defense and science working with vaccine and drug companies who receive funds to develop treatments for these newly found/made viruses, in some cases before any human has been infected. Reminds me of the time when those working for anti-virus software companies were suspected of generating computer viruses to sell more software and be fastest to provide the patch (since they created the virus). In any case, certainly a lot of interlocking conflict of interests among members of the Virus Industrial Complex.

  42. BPVegas says:

    The United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) of Ft. Detrick fame has been partnered with the Wuhan Virlogy Lab since 1981. The Wuhan Lab has also been partnered with college basketball powerhouse Duke University. Check out the Lab’s website. This facilityis a diagnostic lab not a bioweapons lab. The USA has bioweapons labs located on the Chinese and Russian borders in Kazakhstan. Oh what a tangled web we weave….

  43. Excellent summary of the anectodal evidence.

    I just want to say that we need to distinguish between conspiracy theory and conspiracy hypothesis.

    The out of Wuhan lab is a conspiracy hypothesis, or much closer to it. There is no plausible benefit to the Chinese, and saying ‘a disgruntled employee may have dun it to get at dem dictators’ is just speculation in the sky.

    On the other hand the anectodal evidence for it being US action – the obvious benefit, the time and place of the outbreak, the military games team, the precognition, as well as how the CDC is not tracing patient zero in the US (if it was in China in Nov, surely it could have been in the US then too, and then the whole propaganda story falls apart).. Even the US crying wolf again, after so many times, is almost enough for me.

    They are all anecdotal of course, but perfectly in line with the MO and historical practice of the US government.

    I now thank my friends when they call me a conspiracy theorist loon, as I point out that Russiagate, Skripal, and so many of the government lines are pure conspiracy hypotheses – one step further away from Kansas than my take!

  44. Ron here reveals himself as a paid agent of the Chinese government.

    One of many China shills who are popping up in “alt media” as well as the MSM.

    Disappointing, but as they say, never trust a Jew.

    • Agree: Gleimhart Mantooso
  45. refl says:

    Thanks for this first attempt to dig through the growing tale of corona. However, as we are still in the fog of war, there can be no more then a preliminary assessment.

    My take is still that Corona is far less of a threat then commonly believed, and that it has been deliberately saddled with diverse agendas, so in any countries the leadership have no interest in telling the truth.
    1) I think there is sufficient proof that need not be repeated, and
    2) it is better for everyones’ mental health not to believe in killer viruses that force us to abdicate even our most basic freedoms.

    I believe that either a) the Chinese leadership thought that they were being attacked and undertook their lockdown in good faith, or b) they played an outright GAMBIT to force western countries into their own, more economically damaging lockdowns. The clue would be that China is so strong that it can weather the blow, while Europe and to a lesser extend the US cannot.

    The director of the Chinese CDC, Dr Gao was part of Event 201 and studied in Oxford. Are there dual loyalties in China? And then, in which direction?
    Possibly, something minor was indeed released as a bioweapon, before, calculably, western government incompetence and hysteria took over. I also believe that Israel used corona as a screen for biowarfare-targeted killings in Iran, whose case is definitely a story apart.
    The Russian lockdown can be explained by the serious assumption that if they did not lock down they would be accused as the authors of a biowarfare attack on the US. At this point, antirussian hostility in the West is so severe that they had to comply!

    The coordinated actions across opposed political systems CAN be explained, and it does not take a nutter to do it.

    Now, let’s see, if this comment gets through.

    • Agree: antitermite
    • Replies: @utu
  46. Jorge Videla [AKA "no bat soup for you"] says:

    and the hong kong flu, the asian flu, SARS classic, H5N1?

    think horses not zebras ron. densely populated country with disgusting and satanic dietary practices.

    maybe a country where people eat dogs should be dusted with anthrax.

    • Replies: @Ber
  47. Excellent analysis on the workings of American propaganda and disinformation war in the context of COVID-19.

  48. John Wear says:

    Dr. Andrew Kaufman, MD says there is no proven test for COVID-19. The PCR test given only tests for genetic material and not for the COVID-19 virus. Dr. Kaufman’s interview is at
    https://truthcomestolight.com/2020/04/10/dr-andy-kaufman-on-understanding-what-the-covid-19-tests-are-all-about-why-the-lockdown-has-nothing-to-do-with-a-pandemic/.

  49. Biff says:

    The majority of the American public still believe that a small group of Islamic fundamentalists wielding only box cutters atomized the World Trade Center into dust – in a cartoonish act of sorcery. If the lie is so big it has to become believable – that amount of cognitive dissonance is simply just too much to bear. An already duped population of such magnitude doesn’t have much of a chance of coming out of this kind of stupor, especially under the bubble of the most powerful propaganda machine in the history of propaganda, therefore, I don’t think this story is going to go anywhere.

    • Replies: @flashlight joe
  50. Hi Ron! Your article for me is a breath of fresh air! Amidst what you accurately call the fog of war it has been very hard to discern precisely what is going on in regards to this virus situation. It’s been extremely difficult to assert the “truth” or the “red pill” as some call it when it comes to this pandemic. For that reason in fact, I would caution everyone that cares about having a well calibrated “perception” sensor to tread with extreme caution when it comes to this topic, as there isn’t nearly enough evidence in any direction to assume one theory over another. Faithfully adopting any one theory at the moment can only lead you to become the equivalent of a 9/11 truther (the kind that obsesses about missiles, physics, instead of the paper trail leading directly to Israel and Saudi Arabia).

    Having said that there are just too many statistical improbabilities to simply brush aside the Bioweapon possibility. I know quite a few influential figures in the alternative media have unequivocally rejected all Bioweapon theories (specially the theory that the US/Israel could ever conspire to spread a bioweapon) which is why I am very glad to see someone of your Intellectual authority provide a credible well thought-out case supporting this increasingly unpopular position (even in alternative circles). I get it, there is ZERO evidence to show the US/Israel or even China are behind covid-19. But there is equally ZERO evidence to support the official story (which is completely ridiculous until they provide more details) about the guy that supposedly ate the covid bat.

    With that disclaimer I will freely speculate below but keep in mind this is all conjecture:

    1. Anyone that claims is “impossible” for the US to let lose a bioweapon that would destroy the US economy and kill Americans for the sake of hurting their “perceived” enemies more needs to seriously examine EVERYTHING we know about the rulers of the American empire. The first obvious question is who exactly rules the American empire? Are they righteous rulers that make decisions based on what is best for the American people? The answer to this question is a clear and resounding NO. The rulers of America follow a religion that states anyone that is not part of their tribe is “cattle” and dispensable. On this grounds alone the Rulers of America would have very little issue releasing a virus that kills (mostly) “cattle” Americans. And then comes to “why would they tank their own economy” objection. To this objection I’ll simply point out that AMERICA IS RULED through financial coercion. A crisis is very good for the rulers of America because they get to FURTHER consolidate their power over America. Gaining more power over America, hurting your geopolitical rivals and ultimately using the panic and confusion to pass draconian and more authoritarian rules are all INCENTIVES for American elites to release a bioweapon.

    Lastly, to everyone that says it’s impossible for the American elites to tank their economy and/or kill Americans in order to achieve a political objective has forgotten about 9/11! Our current rulers in Tel-Aviv paid a few saudi mercenaries to fly two airplanes into the twin towers to kill a few thousands of people in order to go to war! Of course the atrocity does not end there. A lot more Americans died as consequence of 9/11, even more were affected economically and even a lot more lost civil liberties and standing in American society. Right then and there you have a blatant and relatively recent event that almost word for word matches the consequences of this virus. Considering this as a possible escalation of tactics by the US/Israel against their enemies is a possibility. The US did drop the nuke of an innocent, already defeated enemy. What makes anyone so sure this is beyond their “moral code”

    2.China decides to strongly stick by Iran, suddenly the Hong Kong protest springs out of control, 50 percent of their pork is wiped out by a weird disease and now of course, the mother of all “unforeseen” events kick starts a cascade of negative consequences for China.

    This is by far the most alarming set of “coincidences” of all. I remember last year reading the Iran-China saga, as the Chinese refused to stop buying Iranian oil even as Japan stopped buying oil after a Japanese tanker “coincidentally” was hit by a bomb in the Persian gulf. Soon enough (if I am recalling correctly) a strange disease wipes out 50% of Chinese pork causing possible food insecurity. Then came the Hong Kong riots that although started for very legit reasons by the people of Hong Kong, soon enough had full on CIA spooks speaking in the US congress, attacking people on the streets of Hong Kong! Lastly against all odds these horrible events are somewhat weathered China and suddenly we have a pandemic that not only damages China in the world stage, but serves as the perfect excuse to possibly sanction, attack and possibly destabilize china.

    Maybe I am completely paranoid or skeptical, but what are the chances of such a string of events? Is there some data I am not privy to that can explain some of these coincidences? Is there something to Chinese cultural norms that could explain these strange viruses literally wrecking their economy and political stability? What are the chances all of these viruses occur in a very short period and their severity and consequences directly correlated to China’s defiance of US orthodoxy on Iran/US hegemony?

    Unlike some people here, I do not share the opinion that the Chinese government is some sort of Angel or ideological ally. They are a government that ultimately acts on it’s interests and it’s full of flaws (including exerting degrees of tyranny on their own people). Having said that you don’t have to be a communist to notice how strange this sequence of events truly is. Bad things keep happening to China as it opposes US Hegemony. It might even be statistically impossible for some of these things to happen by “chance”, but maybe China is just really unlucky, right?

    • Agree: utu
  51. ” 1999 NATO air war against Serbia to protect Bosnian muslims … ”

    It was actually war over Kosovo albanians .

    • Thanks: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @anon
  52. Sean says:

    But I do think that a careful exploration of previous Sino-American clashes over the last couple of decades may provide some useful insight into the relative credibility of those two governments as well as that of our own media.

    During the Korean war, China used their Cats Paw North to invade the South then the Chinese army intervened under the pretense of being volunteers. Although Chinese ground troops were not directly involved, Vietnam was otherwise a rerun of Korea with China not only defeating the US but forcing it to cease isolating China. Carter issued a presidential order for officials to aid Chinese growth., and within a few decades as the internal unrest Western pundits predicted failed to amount to much, it became obvious that China’s growth was at the expense of the workers of the US made jobless and suffering deaths of despair not least by illegal synthetic opioids from China. But then, by the begining of new millennium all manufacturing was in China, including the burgeoning fortunes of the already wealthy, who rose on a high tide of inequality. If history was any guide a new Gilded Age must end with a visit from the Four Horsemen. Pressaged by the appearance of the SARS-CoV virus eighteen years before, SARS-CoV-2 appears likely to end China’s run of successes, because of the disruption it has caused to the US.

    “The closest known relative of SARS-CoV-2 is a bat virus named RaTG13, “However, RaTG13 was sampled from a different province of China (Yunnan) to where COVID-19 first appeared and the level of genome sequence divergence between SARS-CoV-2 and RaTG13 is equivalent to an average of 50 years (and at least 20 years) of evolutionary change.”

    The important thing about the SARS-CoV-2 virus is not its lethality, which is about an order of magnitude less than the original SARS-CoV of 2002, but rather SARS-CoV-2’s extreme transmissibility which is two orders of magnitude greater than its predecessor’s. Anthony Fauci warned the incoming US government administration in January 2017 of a newly mutated coronavirus with extreme transmissibility and, apart from the greatly reduced lethality of the massively more contagious SARS-CoV-2 virus, that is exactly what happened.

    Unlike other nations, China had had no advance warning of the nature or existence of the deadly new disease, and therefore faced unique obstacles.

    They had the WHO and Fauci’s public statements. Much more usefully China had the 2002 epidemic, caused by SARS-CoV which originated in China that year. In Singapore, there were 238 cases and 33 deaths from the SARS outbreak, in 2015 the worlds largest MERS-CoV outbreak occurred in South Korea, and only the other year Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said it was only a matter of time before Singapore had its first MERS-CoV case, so they had to be well prepared. These countries were all set up and waiting to eradicate a disease just like COVID-19.

    A decision by elements of our national security establishment to wage biological warfare in hopes of maintaining American world power would certainly have been an extremely reckless act

    Excuse me? With the disease caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus having a puny death rate yet colossal infectiousness a centralised authoritarian state like China would be relatively speaking best able to suppress it. A bioweapon would be tested on Whites as well as Chinese before being released. There is no way in Hell that they would not understand that releasing the SARS-CoV-2 virus in China would result in it sweeping through the US.

  53. If an “out-of-control disease epidemic occurring in the Wuhan area” back in November 2019 was the same corona virus, then toss the idea it was intentionally timed to mess with the Chinese New Year in 2020. But then figure the deaths in China have been greatly under reported. Furthermore, China may well have allowed carriers to travel abroad, especially to USA once the outbreak was well under way.

    However, as regards the whole biocrime aspect of the corona virus pandemic we really cannot rely much on either US government/media or the Chinese. And if it was a bioweapon, who among “us” would be so keen to target Iran where over ten percent of their parliament got sick very early on? That is an Israel First kind of agenda. Or maybe it was Japan? Good investigators keep an open mind.

    Note (This is not a subject change) Over the last several decades the American public health system has regularly failed to adequately warn our citizens about the causes and risks of numerous epidemics that have claimed many millions of lives. Or were all sugar drenched foods advertised as “Fat Free” really a “healthy choice”? So I do not quite understand why Ron Unz considers the corona virus the one instance of stellar government incompetence, as if to imply the current lock down has not nearly severe enough?!? Thank god he did not invoke the party line panacea of the Gates vaccine!

    Meanwhile, what about Kushner’s fast tracking mass surveillance? Will it only be temporary? Will it only be used for containing CV19? Ha. Let’s all step in the van with the nice man who will give us a teddy bear…

    On top of this alleged biocrime, examples are abounding where the opportunists are eager to grab more power, and make killings of a sort, not least of which are the banks, Wall Street and the war mongers.

    Remember, the farther the tide goes out, bigger the tsunami that charges back in.

  54. dimples says:

    I don’t buy it. If the US was going to go to the extreme length of releasing a highly contagious virus into the territory of its new Deep State certified arch-enemy China, the risk of contagioning yourself is extremely high. Especially with global trade and travel as it is these days. Preparations would have been made in advance to make sure it would not blow back by putting appropriate people and methods in place. Its too easy to blame incompetence for this oversight.

    If you’re looking for plotters, look no further than Wall St. They are making out like bandits in the latest bailout.

    • Replies: @dimples
  55. The chronology is indeed telling. Strange that the MSM never thought to ask how the DIA could have known such a thing.

    Let’s hope this teaches the deep state not to fool around with viruses anymore.

  56. dimples says:
    @dimples

    Unless of course the blow back is a feature and not a bug, which it must be admitted, it usually is. If the US economy takes an enormous hit due to blow back, which it has, then China is set up as the next ultra-bad guy to replace Russia, Russia Russia!. It then becomes the new fixation of the Deep State’s wet dreams, a new Cold War where plenty of money goes down the toilet into the MIC’s pockets and plenty of opportunity for the heroic Special Ops types to keep the Hollywood grist mill grinding.

    • Replies: @dimples
  57. This is by far the most one-sided and far-fetching article I’ve read in the American Pravda series. Very disappointing, to say the least.

    For example, Mr. Unz linked the below article about Tiananmen square:

    https://archives.cjr.org/behind_the_news/the_myth_of_tiananmen.php

    The original source went to great lengths to make it clear a massacre did in fact occur that night/morning, only it was taking place in other areas of Beijing and the victims were mostly protesting workers, not students. (At least 300 of them, by Chinese official figures.) A person reading Unz’s summary will come out believing this did not take place, although the Chinese themselves don’t really deny it did.

  58. Pheasant says:

    ‘Zerohedge a popular right-wing conspiracy website’

    How dissapointing Ron Unz.

    You should consider what people say about this website.

    • Replies: @Tor597
  59. dimples says:
    @dimples

    This is a reasonable view in my opinion. If you look at previous US false flag events, they come at periods when new directions are needed to perpetuate the US war machine’s supposed usefulness. The 1990 Gulf War was clearly a set up that came just as the old Cold War was ending and prepared the way for 911 and the Iraq War, which capitalized on the US bases that had been set up during the Gulf War.

    Currently the Russia, Russia Russia! narrative is petering out. The US Deep State wants to perpetuate it but the Euros don’t really want a war with Russia, a huge market for them. So continuation of Russia Russia Russia! risks a split with the Euros.

    But China, a nice new up and coming enemy there. Yum yum. So Covid-19 could be a US false flag effort in that direction it has to be admitted. Damage to US economy? Who cares, the Deep State doesn’t. Its immune, rolling as it does in government loot.

    • Replies: @dimples
  60. My issue with the ‘it’s not china’s fault”argument revolves around the secrecy in the beginning. And then the arrests of those sounding the alarm inside China. One would think that if this was from elsewhere the CCP would be screeching bloody murder from day one……NOT trying to downplay it and outright lie about it. Didn’t China use the same playbook with SARS? Silence and then misdirection.

    my .02

    • Replies: @Bill
    , @foolisholdman
  61. Ghali says:

    The actual number is 43000 dead Americans. The China narrative lacks hard evidence. There is mounting evidence that COVID-19 pandemic originated in the U.S. and may have been a terror attack perpetuated by the U.S., which is pursuing a massive expansion of biological weapons program. According to scholar Kevin Barrett: “It also may be a coincidence that the primary U.S. bioweapons lab, Fort Detrick, was shut down in summer 2019 over fears that weaponized pathogens might escape. It may be a coincidence that absurdly under-performing U.S. military athletes came to Wuhan for the World Military Games in October and have since been accused by China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs of being the source of the COVID-19 pandemic. It may be a coincidence that at the same time those ‘athletes’ were in Wuhan, the World Economic Forum, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Johnson & Johnson, and other Establishment titans were hosting a pandemic simulation called Event 201”.

    Furthermore, “It may be purely coincidental that the virus appeared in Wuhan, home of China’s biggest biodefense laboratory, and China’s biggest transportation hub, just in time for the Chinese New Year, when most Chinese travel to visit relatives. Likewise, it could be coincidental that the real-life COVID-19 pandemic almost perfectly mimics Lockstep, the Rockefeller Foundation’s recipe for a global police state emerging on the back of a coronavirus-style pandemic”, added Kevin Barrett. The U.S. regime unleashed this disease on the world, and the U.S. regime has to be held accountable.

    • Agree: foolisholdman
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  62. JEinCA says:

    Mr. Unz my fellow Californian,

    Your suspicions on this matter echo my own. I remember the Russian Government warning a few years back that Western NGO’s inside Russia had been discovered to be collecting DNA samples of Russian citizens and that it was the opinion of the Russian Intelligence Services that this information was being collected ny Western Intelligence Services for the purpose of future biological warfare. When this outbreak in China made international news I remembered the warning from the Russian Government. Then came the outbreak in Iran that killed many Iranian political figures. Quite a damned coincidence if there ever was one?

    If you ever run for state or national office and are on the ballot (or not) herr in California you have my vote.

    Veritas vos Liberabit!

  63. @Ozymandias

    You’re totally right!

    Look at a very partial list of the Chinese history of lying, almost by habit, just in the last two decades alone!

    China lied in 1999 about “massacres” committed by Serbia and bombed Belgrade to set up the narcomafia organ-smuggling so called state of “Kosovo”.

    China lied about Saddam Hussein having WMDs and invaded Iraq in 2003.

    China lied about “imminent massacres” and “Viagra rape” in Libya in 2011, and deliberately misused a UN Security Council resolution to bomb and destroy that country and hand it over to slave trading jihadi headchopper gangs.

    China lied about Syria using chemical weapons from 2013 onwards, armed and trained and financed terrorist gangs, conducted missile strikes on the country, and continues to occupy and steal oil from East Syria.

    China organised a blatant Nazi coup in Ukraine in 2014 and lied about it being a “popular democratic revolution”.

    China murdered Iran’s top general Qassem Soleimani in 2020 and lied about him being about to conduct terrorist attacks when he was actually on a peace mission.

    With just this partial list of Chinese lies in the last two decades alone, who would believe anything China has to say?!?!?

    • Thanks: Olivier1973
    • Replies: @ld
  64. Interesting article.
    Especially, interesting for me, the aggressive arrest of a Harvard Prof’ of chemistry for technical irregularities in Grant paperwork, coincidentally at the time the virus emerges. (we assume he personally wrote up those applications…? Imagine if everyone who had written up a Grant application, which contained an error or two, in the US were to be dragged off in chains by the FBI ? )
    And also interesting the Belgrade Chinese embassy attack — Mr Unz’s materials put it in a totally new perspective for me.

    • Agree: Miro23
    • Replies: @hs4691506
  65. Google says:

    I suspect US gov been planning this attack for years. SARS outbreak in 2003, I suspect, was a test, to test Chinese gov’s response to bio attack. Note that SARS virus and the current covid-19 virus aren’t that different to be considered different viruses, hence covid-19 also known as SARS-2. But the difference, SARS-1 had “kill switch”, it wouldn’t be able to infect humans after a while.

    During 2003 SARS, China acted swiftly causing the virus to be contained within China and according to US gov simulation, covid-19 should’ve been the same, contained within China. But China didn’t act as swiftly as expected, causing the virus leaking back to US, this is why US gov is furious, had China acted earlier, the virus wouldn’t travel back to US.

    The killing of Iranian general, it wasn’t act of recklessness, it was diversion, so that the Iran gov would be occupied by it while ignoring coronavirus spreading silently in their country.

  66. Anonymous[499] • Disclaimer says:

    Ron, my friend (sort of), if you think you have trouble now what with COVID-1, impending national bankruptcy, and a general flow of information that seems to have been some of the most creative fiction in our lives, just wait until you manage to invite China into US civil disputes. Our present difficulties are as nothing compared difficulties subsequent to direct Chinese involvement in civil matters.
    Historically, third party intervention quite often leads to foreign domination. Examples: US in Afghanistan, US in Iraq (twice). Both time, native citizens thought it a great idea to invite the US in.
    And why do I say this? Well, you’re presenting China as morally wronged. In your frame of reference, that’s an absolute, more important than anything else. But it’s not the only interpretation. Perhaps China committed an act of war by giving tactical help to the Serbs. Perhaps that violation became severe when China gathered F117A wreckage. Perhaps China is lucky that bombing the embassy was all that happened, and we are all lucky that things did not escalate. This is actually less of a fantasy than your account, which is at best a bit one sided, almost a “point and sputter”.

    In the US, such accounts are the precursor to advocacy. You should consider carefully the consequences of advocacy in this case.

    • Disagree: Jett Rucker
    • Replies: @utu
    , @denk
    , @FB
    , @mcohen
  67. Anonymous[362] • Disclaimer says:

    America was finally returning to a regular peacetime economy, with the benefits apparent to

    the everyone

    everyone

    China seemed unsuccessful in its initial efforts to halt the spread of the disease using convention methods.

    conventional

    the response to this global health crisis of by China and most East Asian countries

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  68. While I think the first part of the article is very interesting, and I acknowledge the theoretical benefits that could exist from the US using COVID as a bioweapon, I find the argument unpersuasive for the following reasons:

    Obvious blowback: If the US infected China with a highly spreadable disease, why did we not put in more aggressive measures to stop it from spreading in the US? Otherwise, what’s the point of hurting your enemy if you also get hurt? If the US was going to attack China with a bioweapon, why would they not engineer a genetic/ethnic bioweapon that targeted Han Chinese, as oppose one that could also kill everyone? Seeing the economic damage this has done to us, it seems unlikely that such a contagious weapon would be the one an actor would pick, as it would risk damaging their own homeland.

    China has always been a hotbed of disease: A third of China’s history has them facing an epidemic of some sort. The 1957 “Asian flu” , 1968 “Hong Kong flu” and 1977 “Russian flu” all started in China. The black death probably started in China. Seems far more likely that recent disease outbreaks are part of a historic trend, or gross Chinese conditions, rather than a bioweapon attack.

    • Replies: @Tor597
    , @Alden
  69. On April 11, 2020, Gilad Atzmon published here an excellent article titled “A Viral Pandemic or A Crime Scene?”, in which he suggests circumstances have now created ‘a paradigm change’ in the perception of the current viral pandemic.

    https://www.unz.com/gatzmon/a-viral-pandemic-or-a-crime-scene/

    He states: “Since we do not know its provenance, we should treat the current epidemic as a potentially criminal act as well as a medical event. We must begin the search for the perpetrators who may be at the centre of this possible crime of global genocidal proportions.” I concur.

    All Americans (and others) who believe in China’s culpability for the emergence of this virus, should welcome such an investigation. And Mr. Pompeo, who so firmly plants the full responsibility on China’s doorstep, would receive vindication of his claims. I believe that the governments and the people of China, Italy, Spain, France, and Iran, especially would like to know the results of such a criminal investigation.

    All nations of the world should band together now, and proceed jointly with this endeavor. It needn’t be approached with presumption of cause or intent, but simply to uncover the entire truth of this event. That will be sufficient, and it is possible the results of this worldwide investigation will prompt others into similar past events which have to date gone unquestioned and unexamined.

    I believe there are yet many truths about COVID-19 (and many other epidemics) still to emerge. Perhaps one of the many people with personal knowledge of the source and method of distribution will be sufficiently brave to come forward, perhaps another Edward Snowdon or Chelsea Manning. We will then see how truly the US treasures its whistle-blowers.

    **

    The US needs to answer this question: HOW could US ‘intelligence sources’ possibly have known in November – or even October – of a potential pandemic of COVID-19 that would erupt – specifically in Wuhan – two months later? (Or that was already erupting in Wuhan at the time, unbeknownst to the Chinese?). I believe the entire world would demand the answer to this.

    **

    In early March the US government declared as classified all COVID-19 information, with all communication to be rerouted through the White House and coordinated with NSC officials. Only specified individuals with security clearance are permitted to attend secret meetings, with no mobile phones or computers allowed. Excluded staff members claimed they were told virus information was classified “because it had to do with China”. The US needs to explain the need for such extreme secrecy (while condemning China for lack of transparency), and how coping with a domestic virus epidemic would involve China.

    China, Italy, and several other nations in Asia and Europe have documented proof that COVID-19 was circulating in their populations for several months before the outbreak in Wuhan. And there are many, many reports, including from physicians, that infections in the US were occurring as early as September, of 2019. These claims are too numerous, too detailed, and too similar to be ignored. Japanese TV and press documented that Japanese tourists returning from Hawaii were coming home infected with COVID-19 in September.

    Why was Dr. Helen Chu issued a threatening “cease and desist” order to stop testing nasal swabs her flu research team had taken in Washington State from October 2019 onward? The only possible result would be to prevent the knowledge emerging that the virus had already been circulating months earlier. As a rule, the reason we don’t ask a question privately is because we already know the answer, and the reason we don’t ask the question publicly is because we don’t want anyone else to know the answer.

    The US government needs to address the now-certain existence of the virus being widespread in America and much of the world from September, 2019.

    • Replies: @Half Back
    , @anonymous
  70. Z-man says:

    Your globalists and anti American tendencies come out in the first part and the last few paragraphs of your piece. I didn’t read most of the rest of your long winded article.
    Bottom line, the Chinks infected the world whether by incompetence or deliberately. They then intimidated the world with their economic might and with the help of their lackeys in the WHO and the PC/shit lib elite in the West to keep the flow of infected people to keep coming into the West. Italy is the tragic example but you can include the rest of the West including America where that old bag Nancy Pe-lousy was celebrating in China Town in late February.
    They, the PRC, should be made to pay reparations.

  71. NoLock says:

    Not to dismiss Ron Unz’s reasoning outright, but it has been claimed that the virus cannot be the product of direct genomic manipulation.

    That’s barring any breakthrough in genomic manipulation techniques, a breakthrough that would have to be kept secret. What these scientists have said is that publicly available techniques would have left traces in the viruses genome. They claim that any such traces are absent from the virus’s genome.

    If that holds up, then the only remaining possibility would be a virus that was bred. It could have been bred by taking the bat virus and passing it through other types of animals, selecting for increased virulence. It has been claimed that ferrets would fit the bill since they have the same ACE2 receptor as humans. Ferrets are easy to handle under laboratory conditions.

    If the US deep state did something like this, then their reasoning would have to be on what lines? “Let’s take this virus that we have bred to dock very easily onto the human ACE2 receptor and set it loose on the Chinese. The virus will devastate them will they still be able to contain it – so that there won’t be too much blow back.”

    Maybe they misjudged the product of their virus enhancement effort. Still, it needs be kept in mind what presuppositions have to be put in place for the blow back theory to work.

    • Replies: @gregor
  72. I tend to doubt that Chinese leaders have any overwhelming commitment to the truth, and the reasons for their greater veracity are probably practical ones.

    Their reasons are extremely practical:

    1. In the absence of national elections they are free to make realistic promises. Since they have kept every promise they’ve made to date they have an investment in staying honest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-year_plans_of_China,

    2. In the absence of factions like our Republicans and Democrats, there’s no-one to blame or pass the buck to, nor lie competitively, nor attack proposed or existing policies. There’s no ‘them,’ there’s only ‘us.’

    3. The Chinese have always been willing to make sacrifices now for benefits later, which incentivizes being honest up front.

    4. Telling the truth is cheaper in the long run, which is one reason China has the cheapest government on earth.

    5. People are much more willing to cooperate with truth-tellers. Governing is infernally difficult and being truthful makes it vastly easier.

    6. Straight talk, especially from leaders, is attractive (Trump’s appeal to his base is that he occasionally blurts out something true). Asked on TV how it felt to be President, Xi said, “People who have little experience with power–those who are far from it–tend to regard politics as mysterious and exciting. But I look past the superficialities, the power, the flowers, the glory, the applause. I see the detention houses, the fickleness of human relationships. I understand politics on a deeper level.” Imagine an American politician talking like that.

    7. Smart people tell the truth more often than dumb people. People out of their intellectual and experiential depth, which our politicians usually are, tend to lie. The average IQ of China’s top 5,000 political leaders is 140 and all of them have 25 years successful governing experience. They’re professionals who are less likely to lie than your brain surgeon.

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  73. hs4691506 says:
    @Otto von Komsmark

    I’ve read the Chinese are proud that they’ll “eat everything under the sun”. China is a very old culture. People might have differing opinions, but I think it strange that now we have all these cross-overs from the animal kingdom.

  74. hs4691506 says:
    @animalogic

    I think it was Zero-hedge that said the professor lied about his Chinese funding, making him in effect an agent of China. That’s not some burocratic form error.
    I think the article is a good summary but the author is also guilty of embellishment. For example, he used the word “concerted” at least twice, when he has no proof of that.

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
  75. Anonymous[108] • Disclaimer says:

    Having grown up with in the University of Chicago South Side Chicago neighborhood , then lived in racial, criminal, immigration anarchy New York City 1985-91
    , I m rarely if ever surprised about national or international events. The seemingly incomprehensible views and policies of American, diaspora, Neo Conservative, Hollywood,Wall Street Jews makes sense in awful ways:

    They hate us – want us replaced

    Madeline Albright (How did this ugly woman from Central Europe get to be USA Secretary of State? Why did she demand bombing the sh&$ out of the Serbs to creat a Muslim beach head in Central Europe ? What is she ? Catholic? Episcopalian Christian? Oh she s Jewish again but wants to convert to Islam to protest President Trump s proposed Muslim immigration plan).

    I look at this Chinese Kung Flu Coronavirus and just note how sensible nationalist governments/societies in Japan, Taiwan, Hungary, Slovakia and of course Israel handle it:

    Strict, zero tolerance immigration, student visas from Coronavirus plague infected areas – also no millions of Muslim young male migrants.

    Pretty much no one in these sensible nationalist societies care if Jews at the SPLC, The Atlantic Magazine, or National Review, CPAC or the Wall Street Journal scream that they are:

    RACISTS
    FASCISTS
    NAZIS

    It s probably too late in my life to try to learn Hungarian or Japanese.

    But I think I/we should all try to learn translations of :

    “Shut up Jews”

    “Support Israel the homeland of the Jews… so go home”

    Life isn t complicated .

    It s the same with terrible Black AA ga g murders in my Chicago …. same with TB, bubonic plague heroin addicts street people in LA’s Skid Row, Gypsy no go places in Romania or France.

    Life isn t complicated .

    • Replies: @Trinity
  76. From Ron Unz’s article linked above on the Canadian kidnapping of the Huawei billionaire’s daughter, Ron himself said something which points to the perhaps deeper truth here

    In that piece our host Ron suggested that the clear best course for China, was to put the squeeze on USA Jewish billionaire and political king-maker Sheldon Adelson, the big political funder of Trump and US Republicans etc … Adelson being the casino king of Macau who earns most of his billions there under Chinese authority, Adelson being able to get the Huawei exec released with just a phone call to Trump, if Chinese would just walk into Sheldon’s casinos and threaten shutdown

    China never moved to touch Sheldon’s businesses in China, and as I said at the time, this is because of the deeper frightening truth, that the big powers tend to work together behind the scenes, even whilst in public disputes, like high school football teams in rivalry

    Chinese media accuse the US of creating a bio-weapon, US media accuses China of the same, the classic rivalry of Orwell’s 1984

    Both governments share motives of culling pensioners as covid-19 does; distracting from incipient collapse of excessive economic debt; establishing greater elite surveillance and control; and enabling elites to buy and own ever larger sectors of global economic life; in other words the classic ‘NWO’ of conspiracy talk.

    Half a century ago, Antony Sutton proved that 1940s-1970s USA had been transmitting tech to the old Soviet Union (often via Israel), to create the ‘Best Enemy Money Can Buy’ … the Cold War was essentially fake, and Putin came out of that, and continues trading favours with the USA … Putin doesn’t question 9-11, USA doesn’t question false flags in Chechnya etc

    Sites like the ‘Secret Life of Jews in China’ show how European Jews were part of China’s Mao revolution, even becoming politburo members … Chabad centres abound in China despite few nominal Jews there, linking hotlines to Jared Kushner’s Chabad centre in DC and ‘Putin’s rabbi’ Berel Lazar in Moscow

    One has to go one level above the US vs China mudslinging, and consider it is all likely as fake and staged as was US-Soviet rivalry … China and the USA may well be working together on covid

    The idea that Covid-19 was a bio-weapon deployed in China by the US visitors to the late 2019 military games, was promoted early on by Veterans Today (VT) where Unz’s Kevin Barrett hails from. VT is a website widely-read by world governments, despite its partly kooky and ridiculous articles about space aliens etc

    Gordon Duff, co-chief of VT, said out loud in a radio interview – where he also outed himself with a chuckle as a ‘self-hating Jew’ – that 30% of the material on his site is intentionally false and ridiculous, as the price he must pay for publishing true ‘intel drops’ without getting shut down / murdered by the US gov’t … in intel-speak, this is called ‘poisoning the well’, you publish the most damning truths on self-discrediting sites like VT or David Icke, where the typical reader easily dismisses truth because it’s published next to articles about space alien lizards ruling planet earth

  77. utu says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    Yes, what if the chief objective was not to hurt China by disrupting its society and economy but to make the whole world angry with China. Ron Unz article is the voice crying out in the desert which will not stop the tsunami of memes: WuFlu, China did it, China must pay for our sufferingWe must punish China. that has been whipped up from the very beginning and only will be getting loader and stronger.

    Some of the things you list are to benefit the insiders. No little thing that could bring profit will be left to chance. It is just like when World Trade Center being transferred from Port Authority before 9/11. Was it critical to the operation? Could they get the terror event if WTC was not owned by Larry Silverstein? Yes, they could but few extra bucks could have been made with Larry Silverstein being the front man. Or just when American troops were entering Bagdad, who and when organized special outfits who systematically were visiting Bagdad museum and looting it according to the shopping list?

    Ron Unz is underestimating their evil and abilities.

    • Agree: Mustapha Mond
    • Thanks: ChuckOrloski
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    , @Mefobills
  78. anon[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ozymandias

    If “they” were going to do such a thing, how would they go about it, and what would have been their thinking?

    Deliberately engineered biological agents can often be detected by careful analysis of the pathogen’s genome. Bioinformatic programs can detect odd sequences that shouldn’t belong; the chances of a purely natural explanation for the inclusion of some sequences are rare, for instance. Let’s say I wanted to create a super virus capable of destroying humanity. One obvious way to do this would be to take viral sequences from certain dangerous pathogens and combine them into one. That might do the job, but obviously there is a risk that comes along with doing with that: current sequencing and bioinformatic techniques may quickly discover such an act and invite retaliation by the victim. “That shouldn’t be there!” If half of China started dying of a mysterious virus composed of sequences from various unrelated viruses, then obviously there is an attack underway because the chances of such elements coming together in nature is very low, practically zero. A response would likely follow in short order.

    Is there a way around this? Maybe.

    There are several odd things about Sars2 (Covid-19) that I haven’t seen before: 1) it spreads in contravention to how — some — previous viruses we’ve dealt with in recent memory have spread. Specifically, there are a higher-than-expected number of cases are transmitted before the patient become symptomatic with this virus. This is why initial airport screenings failed to stop the virus from entering the United States, aside from lax screening*. In the past, most of these viruses like MERS and SARS weren’t particularly contagious when the infected carriers were asymptomatic, so simply checking their body temperature with a thermometer and following up with contact tracing was enough to stop the spread. 2) unlike both SARS and MERS, this virus is remarkably contagious for a novel pathogen, even moreso than the flu 3) this virus may have a very long asymptomatic phase, up to two weeks in some people. One explanation is that something similar is true of other viruses that cause the common cold and the flu but we haven’t really noticed it before because those viruses are comparatively less lethal. If you believe in a conspiracy, on the other hand, this would be a feature deliberately engineered to ensure maximum transmission.

    Elements of the conspiracy:

    1. This outbreak happened just before Donald Trump’s reelection campaign got underway and during crucial trade negotiations. Maybe they wanted to put pressure on the Chinese government to increase Trump’s chances of getting reelected. His approval ratings according to 538 have been stuck in the low to mid 40s for essentially his entire presidency. He needs a consistent approval rating above 47% or so to ensure a high chance of reelection.

    2. This happened just after a failed Hong Kong color revolution by youthful protestors. Many of the signs held by protesters included the kinds of things a boomer FBI agent might think would curry favor with the 4chan crowd — pepe the frog, various slogans. It failed, in part, because that crowd didn’t buy it. Hong Kong protestors were relentlessly mocked on some alt-right websites as morons wanting to deliver their people the “freedom” enjoyed by the West: dozens of genders, speech laws, feminism … The case of a Canadian waxing salon being forced to wax a male-to-female transgendered person’s genitals was prominently used to mock Hong Kong protesters demanding Western freedom.

    Conspiracy:

    The CIA may have bred a virus to be easily transmissible but much less lethal than the original SARS virus that made the headlines years ago. They may have expected the virus to spread quickly in China and panic the Chinese population, undermining faith in the government so the CIA could once again try to overthrow their rival. They never expected it to come back on them.

    If one were going to create a viral agent guaranteed to escape detection as an artificial construction, one might do the following: take a known virus indigenous to the targeted area and breed it in animals native to the area (bats) so that it spreads undetected until symptoms present while having a traceable lineage when examined with bioinformatic software / select it against human tissue samples in vitro so that in infects human cells easily.

    The former technique might leave behind a tale tell signature: the virus has a long incubation time within the host. Why? Well, some animals have lower resting body temperatures than humans. This can affect which pathogens are able to infect them. Pathogens that have evolved to replicate at one temperature may not replicate very well under another one. Animals like opossums and hibernating bats are less likely to die from rabies infection, for instance, because they have lower body temperatures, among other factors. Humans and dogs are not so lucky because both have higher body temperatures where the virus can replicate more easily. It’s sort of strange how SARS2 (Covid-19) takes so long to clear in some patients — up to two weeks or more. Maybe this occurs because, despite being able to easily infect human cells, it replicates poorly at first because it is adapted to bats, which often have a lower resting body temperature. Although, it is possible this could occur naturally as well.

    The latter can be done by infecting cell cultures in dishes and examining which cultures became infected and to what degree. This can be done by measuring viral titers — dilute extracted cell culture liquid, filter out cells and bacteria, apply diluted mixes to new cultures, examine results, selected superior viral lines for continued manipulation. There are lots of ways to set this up. Maybe you tag your viral proteins with a florescent protein and examine after some period of time; the more virus that is being made, the stronger the signal. Select that particular culture and continue.

    Point: there are lots of ways to do this, some pretty simple (but probably expensive, dangerous, and time-consuming nonetheless — which is why dumb Middle Eastern terrorists haven’t tried it so far). The important thing is that such a set up would avoid including obviously unnatural elements that could never be explained by random chance — the inclusion of sequences from other viruses, for example. This might come off looking natural, even if remaining mysterious to the outside observer.

    *The American government was warned about this virus but didn’t take it seriously. Explanation 1: Trump and his advisers are greedy imbeciles (more likely). Explanation 2: the American government didn’t expect this to be a big deal because they created it to be less lethal than previous viruses, perhaps not understanding that a lower death rate over a larger population would result in higher casualties (less likely).

    Americans arriving at JFK from locked-down Italy are shocked by the lack of US screening for coronavirus

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8098819/Americans-arriving-JFK-Milan-say-SHOCKED-no-screening-coronavirus.html

    Trump allegedly asked Fauci if officials could let coronavirus ‘wash over’ US

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/492390-wapo-trump-allegedly-asked-fauci-if-officials-could-let-coronavirus

    Points against this theory:

    1) Trump is a loudmouth and a braggart. If he knew ANYTHING about this, he probably would have let it slip by now. Elements of the British government have had to restrict some information they share with the Americans for fear that Trump would leak it to his friends during his then regular discussions with people over unsecured lines. Would the CIA really do something extraordinary like this without his knowledge?

    Points in favor:

    1) The UK, a country that often works with the Americans to do nefarious things, didn’t take this very seriously, either. They acted as if they didn’t expect this to be a big deal. Other countries that usually don’t work that closely with US intelligence to the same degree, have taken Covid-19 seriously even if they have failed to contain it. Although, this is probably wrong. The nations that have dealt best with this are the ones that have had lots of previous experience with similar viruses and whose populations are naturally more inclined to work together.

    2) The timing and location of the viral outbreak. Isn’t Wuhan a major transportation hub?

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Peterike
  79. FB says: • Website

    Excellent piece by Ron Unz…

    One thing I notice is how crisply written this is, compared to the very dense, plodding style that characterizes much of his previous work…

    A very good overview of the situation…and a thoughtful analysis of the finger pointing that’s going on…

    Regardless of whether the lock down measures have been an overreaction or not, most reasonable people will realize that we may never know what might have been, had we not locked down…

    Would the health system have been able to cope…?

    What would happen when hospitals are overwhelmed by serious respiratory cases…?

    China’s very forceful reaction now looks absolutely brilliant…

    That extremely energetic reaction also hints that the Chinese leadership may have suspected an attack…

  80. “...the current accusations by Trump Administration officials that China had attempted to minimize or conceal the serious nature of the disease outbreak is so ludicrous as to defy rationality.

    This assertion is absolutely untrue, as most readers who have followed this story early on will know. You conspicuously left out of your conspiratorial musings the news of the “whistleblower” Wi Leniang, the 34-year old ophthalmologist who had worked at Wuhan Central Hospital, and had already alerted his colleagues late last year about a suspicious viral outbreak, for which he was subsequently arrested and punished by authorities. Millions of people in China are familiar with his tragic story – he eventually died.

    On January 9 the World Health Organization released the following press statement, providing sufficient information that would have warranted or obliged the authorities to have immediately closed the Wuhan airport and train station to prevent the contagious spread of the virus to other regions of the world through unwittingly infected carriers.

    https://www.who.int/china/news/detail/09-01-2020-who-statement-regarding-cluster-of-pneumonia-cases-in-wuhan-china

    Instead, authorities waited two entire weeks before closing the Wuhan airport, during which time the virus spread inevitably to other countries through the many international passenger flights. According to military game theory, such inaction would surely benefit China, which could better deal with an outbreak, whereas most other countries would suffer more severely in comparison. For this reason, regardless whether the release of the presumably engineered virus was released intentionally or accidentally, the Chine government is culpable for having allowed the pandemic to evolve. So at least in this particular case the allegations of the Trump administration are correct.

    Your narrative omitted these indisputable facts, which you then denigrated as “so ludicrous as to defy rationality“, yet after a Communist Party meeting in mid-February, some of those responsible for having minimized or concealed the serious nature of the outbreak were officially “demoted” (received a slap on the wrist):

    https://www.businessinsider.com/international/analysis-china-hubei-officials-sacked-xi-jinping-protected-2020-2/

    Those who praise China’s alleged competence in the matter have a dilemma to deal with. Either the authorities are competent, in which case they effectively waged biological warfare against the rest of the world (using incompetence as plausible deniability of intent) in order for their economy to come out ahead, comparatively, in the long run, compared to a situation where only their own economy would have suffered by effective early containment measures; or else they were indeed incompetent, that an accidental release from one of their labs in Wuhan becomes even more plausible than it already is. Either way, the focus of inquiry must remain on China, rather than conducting an exercise in reflexive exoneration. Fantastical insinuations pointing the finger elsewhere, for which no strong evidence has been presented, are just a distraction.

    Accidental releases have been known to occur, but apparently only the level-4 lab in Wuhan was known to have been working on enhancing those bat-based viruses with gain of function properties and chimeric qualities.

    Your entire conjecture about the strong likelihood of US culpability essentially rests almost entirely on the vague notion of “extreme recklessness“, which in such dangerous matters, as the release of deadly viruses, appears to be significantly less likely, from an analytical perspective, than an accidental release from a biological lab in Wuhan.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  81. While your lengthy article shows the possibility that the virus originated in the US and was spread intentionally, with a lot of trust developed by our own Dr. Fauci of the NIAID and $37 million in grants (long before Trump) to study bat coronaviruses in collaboration with China, I think you are missing one important feature.
    Trump and his neocon clown car are loathed by the Intelligence Agencies. Unlike Obama, who loved to have the CIA “playing” in his sanctioned, National Emergencies countries (Yemen, Libya, Venezuela, Ukraine, Somalia, South Sudan, Central African Republic, Burundi), backing coups in Egypt, Honduras and the big one, Ukraine, and delighting in droning and expanding Bush’s two wars into 7 or 11, depending on how you count, Trump for all his idiotic saber rattling has started no wars; Bolivia is his only coup, Nicaragua his only war-like National Emergency. You may have missed the events of Russiagate and Ukrainegate, built on incompetent spycraft, and an impeachment started by a CIA “whistleblower”, but to give Trump credit for something as devious as an obvious CIA op (by your own speculations) seems disingenuous. Much more likely the CIA (whose hubris and incompetence rivals Trump’s) likely were running this operation from at least when the first bat coronavirus grants were sent to Wuhan (2011? 2015? I’ve read both). My guess is the CIA did not even share their brilliant idea with the loathsome Trump, as he would have likely squashed it as he finally did with John Bolton’s out-of-control machinations. I think the CIA sees the spectacular failure of their operation as a chance to embarrass and likely overthrow Trump. If they had destroyed the Chinese economy, they would have taken full credit, as it is, they look masterful in re-establishing the Establishment, and ridding themselves of a non-supportive Trump.

  82. Coronavirus catastrophe? Even though the CDC has been accused of exaggerating the number of deaths from the Coronavirus by allowing doctors to assume , without testing ,someone died from it, the number of deaths are not alarming . According to the CDC’s provisional statistics posted on April 20,2020 , from February 1 to April 18 ,2020 there were only 15,252 deaths from the Coronavirus out of a total of 603,184 deaths from all causes ,in a US population of 327,167,434 . For the one week ending April 11 there were 5483 COVID-19 deaths and for the one week ending April 18th there were only 568 deaths . cdc.gov . Deaths from the Coronavirus appear to be on the decline in mid-April ,just as they often do in a typical flu season as Spring returns in the Northern hemisphere. As a number of doctors have observed the lockdowns, social distancing and unemployment resulting from the draconian measures taken by Governors across the US are leading to an unprecedented number of cases of depression and suicides.
    It is well established,that people who are depressed end up with many types of illnesses due to their compromised immune systems .
    The tragedy of the Coronavirus pandemic is ,that as more and more circumstantial evidence comes to light ,it was an engineered crisis or ,as some investigators have termed it ,a planned-demic see, for example, “How to create a fake pandemic”jamesfetzer.org.

    • Agree: Alden
  83. Deep and enduring thanks to Ron Unz and his team for this site, an oasis of common sense in a desert of nonsense.

    Regarding:

    “So if American bio warfare analysts were considering a corona virus attack against China, isn’t it quite possible they would have said to themselves that since SARS never significantly leaked back into the US or Europe, we’d similarly remain insulated from the corona virus? Obviously, such an analysis was foolish and mistaken, but would it have seemed so implausible at the time?”

    There might be another possibility. That being that the American plans you outline were formulated and carried out by the deepest, eternally-entrenched portions of the American security state and that “senior administration officials” were simply never consulted about bio warfare efforts against China. Very possibly including those earlier events noted, aimed at Chinese agricultural interests.

    Two birds with one stone would be the result: 1) China is (theoretically) taken down by orders of magnitude; 2) That usurping outsider, the ever-disruptive President Trump exits in January, as no incumbent would be judged to have a 2% chance of withstanding the hurricane of events tied to the pandemic’s arrival in America.

    All the better, then, to allow Trump and other leading American politicians to convincingly lead the chorus against China, and all done with never any possibility of a leak from any political “source” about anything pertaining to the background and planning of the operation.

    Implications of such a possibility are too monstrous to consider, so am certain this assertion can’t be true. Right?

    • Agree: Half Back
  84. utu says:
    @Hail

    “…this whole thing may be a Chinese Communist Party ‘Hoax,’ in the sense that while the ‘new’ virus is real (there are always ‘new viruses’), the reaction was at least 1000x what was necessary to deal …” – The reality parsing by the hoaxers always lead to the discovery of more hoaxes. Check with your guru Kunt Wiitkowski if he was not the one who advised Chines how to pull off the hoax. Didn’t he tell them that only 10,000 would have die?

    • Replies: @TT
  85. hs4691506 says:
    @swamped

    I, too, doubt that Trump would have been aware of what was going on, this would have been an operation that was kicked off now because if Trump gets re-elected, he’ll hopefully clean house, and all that preparation would have been for nothing.

    That having been said … what’s your explanation why Trump did bring a lot of neocons on board, who effectively blocked him. If he really wanted to placate the democrats, there would have surely been hawks who weren’t as dangerous as, e.g. Bolton.

  86. @Jim Jatras

    He said back then he thought that. Hasn’t expressed his current view. None of us knew back then that the US was dumping pure U238 on Yugoslavia making large parts uninhabitable for a thousand years.

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  87. utu says:
    @refl

    Ron, we need a new button: Hoaxer

    • Disagree: Hail
  88. 20.Hail says:

    “Checking the Jay Matthews story, I see this: Hundreds of people, most of them workers and passersby, did die that night, but in a different place and under different circumstances.”

    There is much that Jay Matthews didn’t say. Read this:

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/tiananmen-square-the-failure-of-an-american-instigated-1989-color-revolution/5690061

    29.Christopher Marlowe says:

    “Smithfield is owned by a Chinese firm.”

    It is not. Shuanghui International Holdings Limited, now known as W-H Group, is a private company based in Hong Kong that holds a majority of shares in China’s largest meat processor, Shuanghui Foods. The fact that it is based in Hong Kong does not make it “Chinese” in any sense. It is a totally foreign-owned company. The ownership of W-H is mostly American, not Chinese, and Smithfield was involved with the company. It was a complicated kind of reverse takeover, but nothing much of substance changed.

    It is the largest pork company in the world, number one in China, the U.S. and much of Europe.

    And the effect of the swine flu was to shift production and sales from Shuanghui China to Smithfield in the US.

  89. Sean says:

    China’s sweeping Belt and Road Initiative has threatened to reorient global trade around an interconnected Eurasian landmass

    By the time of the Antonine Plague of 165 to 180 AD (which surely inspired Aurelius’s stoicism, and may have killed Lucius Verus and Marcus Aurelius Antoninus) direct trading links between China and Rome had been established. On March 2019 Italy was the first G-7 country in Europe to become a member in the Chinese Belt and Road project. Did that globalisation reproduced the same pandemic-friendly environment that had decimated Ancient Rome, which rivaled China in population at the time of the Roman diplomatic mission from Marcus Aurelius to the Han Court in 166 AD?

    Given these dramatic Chinese actions and the international headlines that they generated, the current accusations by Trump Administration officials that China had attempted to minimize or conceal the serious nature of the disease outbreak is so ludicrous as to defy rationality.

    Hardly, because intent is irrelevant. Not discharging their duty to inform the international community in a timely manner of COVID-19 being extremely infectious and not massively exaggerating the infection to death ratio and duping the WHO and modelers like Imperial College into accepting terrifying but bogus infection to death ratios of 1 to 3 0r 4% as Dr. John Ioannidis says in an update (HERE) means quite simply that China must never ever be relied on again. Next time, and there probably is going to be another such novel coronavirus at some point in the future, China might overcompensate and downplay something extremely dangerous.

    Lieber had had decades of close research ties with China, holding joint appointments and receiving substantial funding for his work. But now he was accused of financial reporting violations in the disclosure portions of his government grant applications—the most obscure sort of offense—and on the basis of those accusations, he was seized by the FBI in an early-morning raid on his Cambridge home and dragged off in shackles, potentially facing decades of federal imprisonment.

    AS I understand it the case against him was precipitated by indications that he was taking money from the Chinese Government and lying to Federal investigators about it while getting $18 million from the Defence Department. He was not a virologist, unlike professor Montagnier who co-discovered HIV (Human Immunodeficiency Virus) and received a Nobel prize. He says the SARS-CoV-2 virus is an artificial laboratory created pathogen, which has fragments of–surprise, surprise–HIV in it. He wants his expertise to be relevant to what everyone is currently obsessed with. But life in this crazy old world is not like that. Unless you are Ioannidis.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  90. Parfois1 says:

    In the early days of the CoV-19 discussion here, a solid body of commenters suggested the strong likelihood of being a US biological attack on China on the basis of its propensity for aggression towards its designated “enemies” by the only method of causing substantial damage to a powerful rival’s economy under the cover of plausible deniability. Considering the inevitable demise of the US as the only superpower, it is not beyond the ruling cabal’s remit to conceive such schemes to thwart the Chinese economic ascendancy. Yes, the initial suspicions of foul-play were reputational (the US habit of resorting to heinous crimes against other nations) and strategically connected as well (the only way to damage a strong opponent short of an all-out nuclear conflagration with uncertain outcome ).

    On the other hand, there were a series of “coincidences” widely discussed here that started giving credence to a full-blown plan of biological attack aimed at the Chinese population by engineering a virus capable to discriminating the target victims. This has been partialled discounted, but not completely until the full sequence of CoV-19 evolution is mapped. Meanwhile, the official narrative has switched to the rejection of the theory of a man-made virus to the “accidental” release by the Wuhan lab, in my view to deflect any effort to research the source of the virus and reinforce the tale of Chinese negligence. But the trouble is that there are many virologists now busy debunking that too and asserting that CoV-19 is unnatural.

    I have come across a report on Australian Media Centre where the evolutionary virologist Edward Holmes of the University of Sydney reveals that “the level of genome sequence divergence between CoV-19 and the closest known bat relative in nature is equivalent to 50 years of natural evolutionary change, which suggests that CoV-19 is a synthetic creation in a lab either by insertion of suitable genetic material or, alternatively, growing different cultures in a laboratory with cells with the human ACE2 receptor. This process involves the gradual adaptations to bind the virus with the human receptor by “training” the virus to seek an efficient method of binding by natural random mutations until one progeny hits the jackpot. Although this process does not require insertions by extraneous genetic material (not strict engineering) because the virus itself produces the required adaptations, it is notheless a human interference with the natural world by breeding something for a, obviously, nefarious purpose. The great advantage of this process is to disguise the fact that it is a contrived lab creation.

    There are many historically significant events the truth of which will remain hidden for a time. But this case involves a strong player (China) and it will – as wel las many outraged scientists worldwide – leave no stone unturned to reveal the unfathomable depth of the US’s den of iniquity.

    • Agree: Half Back
  91. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @CanSpeccy

    But as this epidemic is shaping up, it is likely that the estimated death toll will be comparable to that of the seasonal flu in a bad year.

    That’s not correct — at all. Our hospital system in major cities like New York are NEVER brought to the brink with seasonal flu. The likely number of deaths from Covid-19 has already exceeded the number of deaths estimated from seasonal flu over the past 6 of 10 years — in just over six weeks. And that’s under unprecedented quarantine.

    Quoted numbers of deaths are as unreliable as the number of infections.

    Numbers do not need to be 100% “reliable” in this case. Many of those who have died have done so in hospital where they have been tested. We can also measure the baseline death rate in NYC. When we do, we find a tremendous daily increase far and above anything caused since 9/11. Clearly, there is something going around that city that is killing lots of people. No flu in recent memory has done that.

    Cause of death as stated in a death certificate is often, and even usually, wrong, and during an epidemic caused by a virus that induces respiratory difficulty it is likely that virtually all deaths due to respiratory dysfunction will be attributed to the virus without confirmatory evidence.

    This kind of flawed logic could be used to dismiss virtually any epidemic. At some point the number of deaths is so high that no counter argument could reasonably be believed. We’ve already reached that point. There are only so many respiratory deaths that occur over any time period. Even if we moved 100% from other categories over to Covid-19 we would still find peculiarities in the data.

    Deaths in New York City Are More Than Double the Usual Total

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/10/upshot/coronavirus-deaths-new-york-city.html

    Furthermore, virtually all deaths of persons testing positive for covid19 will be attributed to the virus even though the deceased may have had multiple other diseases, any one of which could have been the cause of death.

    That’s certainly only going to be minor contributory factor. Huge numbers of people above the average baseline don’t just magically drop dead from other causes all at the same time. If someone gets Covid-19 and dies, it is reasonable to assume it was the proximate cause in the majority of cases. Only so many people die from X at any one time. If twice that number start dying all at the same time, there is a problem.

    “Herd immunity is likely now widespread, so the thing should fizzle out soon, with or without continued population incarceration.”

    Please do not comment on things you clearly don’t understand. It is estimated that no more than a few percent of the American population has been exposed to Sars2 (Covid-19). Herd immunity requires some high multiple of that number. We are nowhere near herd immunity. You don’t even know what that means in all likelihood.

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    , @Sollipsist
  92. Seraphim says:
    @nsa

    Whom to believe? Australia had, as per today 21.04.2020, 6,642 cases and 71 dead. Seventy-one, not 120. South Korea on the 18.04. only 232.

    • Replies: @anon
  93. Anon[323] • Disclaimer says:

    Professor Luc Montagnier, Who Won Nobel Prize For Codiscovering AIDS Virus, has said COVID-19’s HIV “strains” could be put there in the virus’s RNA only by human expert intervention in a laboratory.
    The excerpt from the French TV program where he said it can be found on YouTube.

    What’s “funny” is the way most USA, or, how should we say?, USA-close, media reports the fact, starting from misleading headers (headers which, as usual for the USA and, how should we say?, USA-close media, are all clones, with tiny changes from one to the other).

    Professor Luc Montagnier, Who Won Nobel Prize For Codiscovering AIDS Virus, Says Coronavirus Was Man-Made In Wuhan Lab.

    This, when the professor clearly stated he is only a scientist, and he only wanted to relate facts that many other research groups have found but have been left unsaid due to enormous pressure, and he stated equally clearly that it is not his knowledge, duty, competence, will, to give opinions on who did it, where, why.

  94. @Godfree Roberts

    The average IQ of China’s top 5,000 political leaders is 140

    Have not most of the all-time Evil Greats been brilliant? We have them, Russia has them. How is China having them unique? If Ron’s suspicions over this are close to true and even if not, we already have volumes of evidence in so many other situations proving we have brilliant evil-doers aplenty on the U.S. side in any case.

    The rest of your points are agreeable to me. But every time I’ve hung my hat on the ‘brilliant’ high-I.Q.-types I’m always disappointed. They test well but in command of things they bring us wars and now this. The medical people are high-I.Q. as hell, they’ve vacuumed up half our GDP and research dollars for 100 years now and it’s their job to have had this in hand. Like our high-I.Q. generals and admirals the past 75 years, they’re losing another war for us. The high IQ sorts in finance are another group. We’re a nation in serious decline and from where I sit, the high-IQs are merely managing said decline.

    High I.Q.s just don’t cut it from where I sit. Could be jealousy. My IQ is some where between a pineapple and radish, a yam maybe..

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  95. Ber says:
    @Jorge Videla

    There is so much talk about Chinese will eat just about anything but there is usually no focus on other people in the world for doing similar things.

    The Chinese eat bamboo rats, the French and Belgiums eat rats too – besides snails. Some people in Asian countries eat cats and dogs, the Swiss by the thousands, eat cats and dogs. The members of Explorers’ Club in New York eat just about anything as well. But to top it all, there is even have a cannibal club in LA that specializes in eating human flesh.

    http://www.cannibalclub.org/

    Home page: Specializing in the preparation of human meat, Cannibal Club brings the cutting edge of experimental cuisine to the refined palates of L.A.’s cultural elite. Our master chefs hail from around the world for the opportunity to practice their craft free of compromise and unbounded by convention.
    Our exclusive clientele includes noted filmmakers, intellectuals, and celebrities who have embraced the Enlightenment ideals of free expression and rationalism. On event nights, avant-garde performance artists, celebrated literary figures, and ground-breaking musicians entertain our guests.
    At Cannibal Club, we celebrate artistic excellence as the natural and inevitable expression of the unbridled human spirit.

    Now just listen to their music:

    • Replies: @UK
  96. skeptik23 says:

    Brilliant work…I have been researching everything I can find, while placing the totality of events in the context of US IC/DS ops The “botched biowarfare” attack fits the data the best by far. Thanks for this report.

  97. Anon[262] • Disclaimer says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    Those who praise China’s alleged competence in the matter have a dilemma to deal with. Either the authorities are competent

    There is no “dilemma.” They detected an outbreak and dealt with it competently. Your government run by a reality show host didn’t. It’s as simple as that. You can deflect all you want, but it really boils down to that.

    in which case they effectively waged biological warfare against the rest of the world

    Nothing the Chinese did forced other countries to keep their borders open. Several countries like Israel closed them before Donald Trump did. Nothing China did forced Trump into not taking this seriously until it was too late.

    [MORE]

    Trump calls coronavirus Democrats’ ‘new hoax’

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-calls-coronavirus-democrats-new-hoax-n1145721

    “It’s going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear,” Trump told attendees at an African American History Month reception in the White House Cabinet Room. The World Health Organization says the virus has “pandemic potential” and medical experts have warned it will spread in the US. The President added that “from our shores, you know, it could get worse before it gets better. Could maybe go away. We’ll see what happens. Nobody really knows.”

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/27/politics/trump-coronavirus-disappear/index.html

    Trump allegedly asked Fauci if officials could let coronavirus ‘wash over’ US

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/492390-wapo-trump-allegedly-asked-fauci-if-officials-could-let-coronavirus

    In Trump’s ‘LIBERATE’ tweets, extremists see a call to arms

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in-trump-s-liberate-tweets-extremists-see-a-call-to-arms/ar-BB12NQ0h

    Stimulus checks to bear Trump’s name in unprecedented move

    https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Stimulus-checks-to-bear-Trump-s-name-in-15202400.php

    ‘God help us’: Americans horrified after Trump names Jared and Ivanka to his ‘Council to Re-open America’

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/god-help-us-americans-horrified-after-trump-names-jared-and-ivanka-to-his-council-to-re-open-america/

    Trump threatens India ‘retaliation’ over unproven drug

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-52180660

    US ‘wasted’ months before preparing for coronavirus pandemic

    A review of federal purchasing contracts by The Associated Press shows federal agencies largely waited until mid-March to begin placing bulk orders of N95 respirator masks, mechanical ventilators and other equipment needed by front-line health care workers.

    https://apnews.com/090600c299a8cf07f5b44d92534856bc

    ‘I felt I had a moral obligation’: Tucker Carlson crashed Mar-a-Lago party to talk with Trump about the coronavirus

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/i-felt-i-had-a-moral-obligation-tucker-carlson-crashed-mar-a-lago-party-to-talk-with-trump-about-the-coronavirus

  98. 2 Phylogenetic studies have been done to suggest America was the source of the virus.

    This study suggests that Type A strain the earliest type of the SARS-COV2, was mostly found in the US. While in China it was mostly type B, another strain mutated from Type A.
    https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/04/07/2004999117

    This study suggests there are 2 sources of spread, however in countries from Brazil, Italy, Australia, Sweden and South Korea , some cases are tie to the US cluster but not to China. So this suggest some cases were directly spread from the US. Japan commented it was from the US because they had the virus from traveling to Hawaii and they never went to China.
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.09.034942v1

    here in this video presentation some arguments that supports the US had this virus in between August 2019 and Jan 2020.

    A possible scenario is they developed a few Sars-Cov2 bio-weapon strains the B and C strains from the A strain. They wanted to find a vaccine for it before they can be deployed, but in developing the vaccine they leaked the A type out into the US. They had to make a decision, let the public know about it or cover it up and release the B and C strain without the vaccine. I think they did the latter.
    But you be the judge, we need more transparency from the CDC and more research before any conclusions can be made.

  99. Truth3 says:

    Once again Mr. Unz unleashes a Tour de Force upon the Global Power Liars.

    Well done, Sir. Truth wins in the end.

  100. dimples says:
    @dimples

    Of course I completely failed to mention in the above comment that it’s the War on Terror that’s coming to a close. Russia Russia Russia! has been an attempt to fill the gap but its not going anywhere due to opposition from the Euros.

    The slow US reaction to the virus could therefore seen not as incompetence but a deliberate process of sowing more destruction, thus more China-hate later, ie its part of the plot. Also the virus is not too deadly, just enough to create a big scare and over-reaction amongst the authorities and public.

  101. dimples says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    Yes IF there is a conspiracy that would be it. I have also come to this conclusion in other comments but you have described it much better than myself.

  102. anon[215] • Disclaimer says:
    @Christopher Marlowe

    The flying drones over pig farms is nonsense from Metallicman, who is a controlled-opp deep asset that speaks 80-90% truth and 10-20% lies.

    I tried looking into the flying drones a bit, but couldn’t confirm any of it.

    • Agree: Christopher Marlowe
    • Replies: @Debz
    , @Godfree Roberts
  103. Half Back says:
    @Ayatollah Smith

    I want to add Trump’s early response to the corona virus shows Trumps and American duplicity. I used to watch a TV show ‘Lie to me’ with actor Tim Roth. Anyway people give away all kind of knowledge when they communicate. So my take that Trump’s call that it’s like a bad flu or it’s nothing to worry about, reveals knowledge that it is American attack and that he (Trump) worries if it gets ‘out’ that the trump administration is culpable, so he tries to downplay corona virus and his own role in it!

  104. denk says:

    Blow back

    The first thought comes to mind….
    Its a feature, not a bug.

    OOps, several posters already noted it.

    ———————————————
    To recap…..

    The Who test....

    Who’s the motive ?

    Who benefits ?

    Who’s the means ?

    Who’s a seventy years old track record of extreme malfeasance against China ?

    Who’s a track record of using bioweapons on friends and foe, including its own citizens ?

    Who’s a track record of committing FF , including many cases against China ?
    [TAM, Tibet, Xinjiang, HK, Mh370, INdon genocide 1965,
    …..]
    ————————

    Occams Razor….

    There’s a serial arsonist in town, he has been caught setting fire to John’s house dozens of times in the past few months.

    JOhn’s house caught fire last night

    Who’s the first suspect to haul in for interrogation ?

    Elementary, Watson.
    ———————-

    Last but not least.

    Mathematics doesnt cheat…

    Ian Flaming’s fundamental law of prob.
    Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, thrice…..

    How many ‘coincidences’ occur in the Wuhan caper. ?

    ——————–
    Conclusion.

    Whichever way you look at it,

    Logic, Circumstantial evidences and Mathematics all points to…
    We know who.

  105. @swamped

    The high casualties in the NATO countries are due to their own reluctance to do anything for so long. Look at the total number that have been infected and the current new infection rates in South Korea, Australia and New Zealand. South Korea prepared better than anybody but was cursed with a Christian sect that also had churches in Wuhan. They stayed close together for a long time in their churches to increase community feeling and, since God was looking after their health, were reluctant to admit to being ill. Yet South Korea shits on every NATO country in fighting COVID-19. So do Australia and New Zealand in spite of their extremely poor use of the 2 months warning provided by China and the DNA sequence of the virus provided by China on 12th of January, 2020. As soon as the Chinese methods were applied, the same success with humans was achieved. Now the NATO countries are aping China too, they are starting to have the same human success. They will continue with success as long as they continue aping. The Yanks are losers like other NATO members because they didn’t bother to ape until they were heavily infected. I stress that Australia and New Zealand did very badly (only about 10 times better than the USA but 4 times worse than China who we should have beaten easily) because they were slow to ape. We only look wonderful when compared with NATO. Actually, we also do about 5 times better than Iran too. Even with sanctions crippling their response, Iran has done twice as well as the US losers. When it becomes a matter of drug and vaccine development where the USA has real strengths, I expect the USA to do as well as China but it’s a low tech battle right now and the Yank boys haven’t done well against the Chinese or Iranian men in that competition. Who would expect them to? [email protected]

  106. Vojkan says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    The reasons you enumerate apply to individual people, they don’t apply to governments. It is true that a rational individual should prefer truth because truth is mostly self-sufficient while lies need to be reasserted permanently. The rationality of truth vs lies is very much like the rationality of well-designed software vs badly designed software. Good design as truth demands less maintenance. The problem is that it doesn’t keep programmers busy and it doesn’t justify budgets. A government, the “deep state” moreover, need to keep maintenance costs high to perpetrate themselves.
    The crucial question very few seem to be asking is the question of motive. Many commenters here project on the Chinese their own traits. The problem is that what can be said of Western elites can’t be said of Chinese elites because the Chinese have different motives altogether. There’s one motive they didn’t have, to provoke a crisis. Viruses don’t hop out of labs by accident any more than gold hops out of Fort Knox. One has to bring them out and the Chinese had no reason to do it.
    Regarding the US on the other hand, though I disagree with Ron Unz’s assertion that this particular US administration is more reckless and less competent than those that preceded it, seen from abroad it just appears as less hypocrite, to keep the story short I’ll just say that hubris tends to cloud judgment and that desperate times ask for desperate measures.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  107. Anonymous[538] • Disclaimer says:

    Sounds entirely plausible, and, to be parsimonious, even probable. The last element to make it feasible was leaving Trump entirely out of the loop. He still won’t have a clue if he’s standing in the dock at the Hague years from now. Everything he will ever know about this fiasco will be from light reading material they allow him in his cell.

    The Deep State made the right bet when they decided late in the race to hack the election in favor of the Donald rather than the Queen of Warmongers. Nobody would ever expect the self-described peace candidate to escalate the ongoing hybrid wars to germ warfare. (Though maybe the use of chemical weapons by America’s proxies in Syria should have been a hint.) Now the world knows, the Satanists in charge of Washington will stop at nothing.

  108. Quintus says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    I 100% agree with you, Mustapha Mond. Much as I admire Ron for in so many ways for his other topnotch contributions and running this site, one of the very best news sites IMO, the evidence at hand does not suggest incompetence on the part of the US government and the deep state behind it: it’s definitely an Atlanticist plandemic. Godfree Roberts showed that many steps the Trump administration took the past two years were meant to pave the way for enabling the government to play the “we didn’t see this coming” card, just as with 9/11:

    https://medium.com/@godfree/the-data-are-more-than-just-wrong-these-questions-illuminate-what-we-dont-know-about-the-data-f117681068f1

    Not mentioned in Roberts’ piece is the US’s PREDICT biological outbreak program, conveniently shut down in October 2019:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/25/health/predict-usaid-viruses.html

    At the same time, the US Health Dept was running Crimson Contagion in the first half of 2019, simulating a deadly flu pandemic starting in China (as I recall). Even the US Naval War College ran a pandemic simulation causing respiratory failure:

    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/04/01/naval-war-college-ran-pandemic-war-game-2019-conclusions-were-eerie.html

    Everyone knows about Event 201 at this point, in October 2019, sponsored by the Gates Foundation, Bloomberg via Johns Hopkins, and the World Economic Forum, simulating specifically a coronavirus pandemic. What are the odds that the organizers of Event 201 were just lucky in picking a coronavirus, knowing there are 150 other virus families, besides coronaviruses (e.g. rhinoviruses, adenoviruses, etc.):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_virus_families_and_subfamilies

    That’s a 1/151 chance! Lucky bastards! Present at Event 201 were recycled players involved in the 9/11 anthrax attack simulation ‘Dark Winter’, such as Thomas Inglesby, as documented by Whitney Webb. Not to mention the 2011 movie ‘Contagion’, involving a flu-like pandemic originating in China (Hong Kong),transmitted from bats to humans in an unsanitary environment!!! Another financial reset was also long overdue, as Greg Mannarino and others have pointed out: the coronavirus cover was too perfect of a tool for deflecting the guilt from the Fed and the banksters; killing many birds with one stone, the virus is also a 2) powerful psy-op hurting China’s image in the world, 3) further delivering a strong blow to its export-driven economy; 4) it sets the stage for the cashless society (“dirty bills not accepted here!”), the advent of digital currencies and 5) top-down surveillance.

    • Agree: 9/11 Inside job
    • Replies: @Mustapha Mond
  109. @Jeremygg5

    You take a retarded sub human too seriously. Using logic and reason will get you no where.

    It is regretful that a sub human took the first comment spot. It will attract more of it’s type.

  110. @Vaterland

    If we go along on that theory of yours, it would all make sense if China said no to the transition.

    Why would the current Chinese elites share their country and power with outsiders? That makes no sense for the elites of China.

  111. @Octavian

    That reads like the perfect scenario for cold war 2.0 or the last hot war on earth.

  112. anon[114] • Disclaimer says:

    So either the China’s leadership had suddenly gone insane, or they regarded this new virus as an absolutely deadly national threat, one that needed to be controlled at any possible cost.

    Those are not the only choices, Ron.

    Here is another one for you:

    – CCP knew this virus had a low fatality rate;

    – CCP were aware of recent (DoD iirc) readiness assessments noting that US had specific vulnerability to a pandemic;

    – CCP was aware that the captive Chinese people were alrady subject to ‘herd control’ infrastructure whereas the US population still enjoyed human rights;

    – CCP decided to sow confusion about the infection. (“We can do this, but their society will fall apart Comrades!”)

    – The West initially chose to ignore this. Then the Corporate Press “International” decided to put psyops pressure to force US and UK to do a 180 u-turn. This due to a single lousy non-peer-reviewed paper at the Imperial College.

    Must read writeup on Imperial College and their hysterical white paper: https://www.voltairenet.org/article209749.html

    Some other considerations that can inform the above are (a) the attitude of CCP towards ‘world government’ institutions, and (b) their relationship with WHO, in particular.

    So option 3, Mr. Unz:

    CCP used the (controlled?) exposure of a virus (“17”) to put into motion a psychological operation to sow confusion and panic in US (based on our own published findings on readiness) that seems to have other participants in the Globalist crowd institutions. The primary target was USA, but NATO as well.

    Btw, Mr. Unz, that ex-CIA psyops writer you host on your site (Giraldi) keeps censoring my comments on his propaganda pieces. Why do allow them a platform and also permit them to censor rebuttals? Hopefully you will prevent UNZ Review from becoming UNZ Pravda.

    • Agree: UK
    • Replies: @utu
    , @denk
    , @Will
  113. Anonymous[395] • Disclaimer says:

    Ron, you need to rewrite this essay. If minor websites carry articles blaming China the presumption is these articles are falsifications seeded by Trump, but if wildly sensationalist Chinese propaganda pieces come from unknown sources like OldMicrobiologist or Metallicman then they’re reliable? Wow is all I can say.

    Suggesting Lieber’s creds set him above espionage and bio sabotage against the United States is the best you can do? Your overwrought defense of this man is telling, given his “assistants” are provably Chinese bio espionage agents and he secretly agreed to take a post as director of the Wuhan lab.

    In the same vein, did you know that the Johns Hopkins’ inflammatory “dashboard” world map seen and used everywhere was developed by a 30-year-old Chinese “student,” Ensheng Dong, working for Johns Hopkins? Using Edward Tufte’s “Lie Factor” for evaluating the exaggeration of a graphical representation relative to the underlying data puts the Johns Hopkins map so far in the lie category as to warrant an FBI investigation of Johns Hopkins and its employees for causing irreparable economic and societal harm to the United States. In an NPR puff piece gushing over the map’s creators, “all sitting around a table…sipping lattes,” Dong is quoted as saying it’s like showing blood everywhere. That’s quite accurate from the proud creator considering the irreparable harm that map has been in large part responsible for creating.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/04/13/833073670/mapping-covid-19-millions-rely-on-online-tracker-of-cases-worldwide

    • Agree: Christopher Marlowe
  114. One correction for the beginning of the article. The 1999 bombing campaign against Yugoslavia wasn’t directed against Bosnian Serbs. That was the 1995 campaign and had nothing to do with the Chinese Embassy being hit. It seems that you simply got the 1995 NATO bombing of Bosnian Serbs (entirely in Bosnia) and the 1999 bombing of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro – when the Chinese (brand new) embassy was hit) mixed up.

    Interesting thing – the Japanese current embassy is on the exact grounds where the Chinese one used to be. I find some funny symbolism in that.

  115. @Jim Jatras

    Yep. Unz lost me with that comment. And very sloppy by his high standards. The NATO 1999 bombings were to support the Albanians in Kosovo – not the Bosnian muslims. I suggest Ron does some homework on the whole Yugo Wars period. Maybe even back to ottoman times.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  116. @Anonymous

    I think that he obviously got the two NATO bombing campaigns mixed up.
    NATO bombed Bosnian Serbs (entirely in Bosnia) in 1995 to protect its interests under the guise of protecting Bosnian muslims. This is what Unz supports.
    NATO bombed Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) in 1999 when the Chinese embassy was hit.

    Let’s not make the comments spiral off into the Serbia/NATO conflict details. The point of the entire mention of the bombing is that there is sincere indication that the US hit the Chinese embassy on purpose. That much was clear since day 1 as the embassy was a brand new building and you couldn’t mistake it for a previous occupant or anything of the sort. It was a message to China.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
  117. UK says:
    @swamped

    While I don’t agree that China would have done this on purpose as I am generally doubtful of all similar theories, it would nonetheless also explain why China banned all movement to the rest of China from Wuhan while not only allowing the Wuhan infected to infiltrate the West but actually vociferously and ubiquitously complaining about Western racists for thinking about not allowing them in.

    • Replies: @naill
  118. Biff says:
    @hs4691506

    I think it was Zero-hedge that said the professor lied about his Chinese funding, making him in effect an agent of China.

    You need to understand the system in place. The book Three Felonies a Day outlines the how, but does’t really cover the why, and there lies the devil in the details. When they want you, all they have to do is pour over your life’ details, and they will find something nefarious as a tool to put you in stern and squeeze.
    There is million different details and forms to fill out when securing foreign funds for a university; most of the rules and the process is ad hoc, and more often a lot of it is ignored, and of course – certain countries have certain rules. The good professor didn’t do anything that was completely out of the norm. It’s nearly impossible in this society to be crime free – by design.

    Think of all the people near Trump during his Russian Collusion investigation that went to jail or indicted – most if not all were dragged in on the many petty illegalities that plague our legal system for a reason. Illegalities that on a normal day most people ignore until it is politically expedient for the authorities to use them.
    This is how a Police State operates.

    You don’t have to believe me; just ask Tommy Chong, Martha Stewart, etc….

    • Replies: @FB
  119. UK says:
    @Ber

    You think there is a restaurant serving human flesh in Los Angeles? You are an abject moron.

    • LOL: Amerimutt Golems
    • Replies: @Ber
  120. Et tu, Brute? You’re worried more about the Chinese embassy in Belgrade and Bosnian Muslims than the destruction of that great Christian Serbia by the Clintons & cabal … shame!

  121. According to Matthews the infamous massacre had likely never happened

    In the mid 1990s, I worked with a man of Chinese ancestry in New York named Henry Sun. Henry had been in Beijing at Tiananmen Square. He had been shot. What happened afterward was that he was treated by doctors for the bullet wound, and they had coded the illness as some sort of cancer, so that it would not be obvious that he was a dissident and so be arrested.

    Now, I cannot say that someone was killed. I can say that personal testament to me from a credible witness indicates bullets were flying, and one struck him. Maybe that’s not a massacre, by whatever means that word is defined. But it wasn’t a Chinese tea ceremony.

  122. I am a retired attorney and I am heartened to see that some attorneys, namely David Helm in Michigan and Lindy Urso in Connecticut ,are beginning to file lawsuits to revoke unlawful and unconstitutional Executive”Coronavirus” Orders issued by the Governors of the States of Michigan and Connecticut. I have long maintained that almost every Executive Order issued by State Governors are revocable as they are based on a lie, promoted by the WHO and the CDC ,that there is a Coronavirus pandemic and an international public health emergency .

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
  123. everything China have and everything USA has been lost was done with the complicity and personal gain of 99% of the usa elite,political class,including CIA,etc and even the likes of Michael Jordan.

  124. Anonymous[235] • Disclaimer says:

    Another great article.

    Whoever decides to believe this embarrassingly transparent anti-China propaganda is stupidly siding with Soros and his Global Deep State golems. This will be the latest IQ test for those who struggled with all the previous ones (incubator babies, Iraqi WMDs, Quaddafi’s Viagra, Hillary’s electability, Russiagate etc.).

    George Soros: China Is a ‘Mortal Enemy’ of the West

    FBI, DOJ Say China Is America’s Greatest Threat

  125. @Jim Christian

    High IQ is just an entry level requirement. They have 300,000 folks with 160 IQ, so 140 is not that exceptional.

    New recruits’ first posting is 5 years in the poorest village in the country. They ‘graduate’ after they’ve raised everyone’s incomes by 50%. Then the career path gets really steep.

    The people who are visible to us have been so thoroughly scrutinized that it’s almost painful to contemplate. Here’s Zhao Bing Bing[1], a mid-level Liaoning[2] Province official talking about her mid-level, provincial promotion to Daniel Bell:

    [MORE]

    I was promoted in 2004 through my department’s internal competition (30 percent on written exam results, 30 percent on interviews and public speaking, 30 percent on public opinion of my work and 10 percent on education, seniority and my current position) and became the youngest deputy division chief. In 2009, Liaoning Province (pop. 44 million), announced in the national media an open selection of officials. Sixty candidates met the qualifications, the top five of whom were invited for further interviews. Based on their test scores (40 percent) and interview results (60 percent), the top three were then appraised. The Liaoning Province Organizational Department sent four appraisers who spent a whole day checking my previous records. Eighty of my colleagues were asked to vote–more than thirty of whom were asked to talk with the appraisers about my merits and shortcomings–and they submitted the appraisal result to the provincial Standing Committee of the CCP for review.

    In principle, the person who scored the highest and whose appraisals were not problematic would be promoted. However, because my university major, work experience and previous performance were the best fit for the position, I was finally appointed department chief of the Liaoning Provincial Foreign Affairs Office even though my overall score was second best [the government discriminates positively in promoting women–ed]. Before the official appointment there was a seven-day public notice period during which anybody could report to the organization department concerns about my promotion. I didn’t spend any money during my three promotions; all I did was study and work hard and do my best to be a good person.

    In 2013, thanks to an exchange program, I worked temporarily in the CCP International Department. The system of temporary exchanges offers opportunities to learn about different issues in different regions and areas like government sectors and SOEs. In a famous quote Chairman Mao said, “Once the political lines have been clearly defined the decisive factor will be the cadres [trained specialists].” So the CCP highly values organizational construction and the selection and appointment of specialists. There is a special department managing this work, The Organization Department, established in 1924 and Mao was its first leader..The department is mainly responsible for the macro management of the leaders and the staff (team building), including the management system, regulations and laws, human resource system reforms—planning, research and direction, as well as proposing suggestions on the leadership change and the (re)appointment of cadres. In addition, it has the responsibilities of training and supervising cadres. The cadre selection criteria are: a person must have ‘both ability and moral integrity and the latter should be prioritized’. The evaluation of moral integrity focuses mostly on loyalty to the Party, service to the people, self-discipline and integrity. Based on different levels and positions, the emphases of evaluation are also different. For intermediate and senior officials, emphasis is on their persistence in faith and ideals, political stance and coordination with the central Party. High-level cadres are measured against great politicians and, among them, experience in multiple positions is very important.

    Fans follow the careers of one-thousand top politicians online[3] and they are impressive, as President Donald Trump[4] observed, “Their leaders are much smarter than our leaders. It’s like taking the New England Patriots and Tom Brady and have them play your high school football team. That’s the difference between China’s leaders and our leaders”.

    Today’s leaders began their careers in the 1960s as manual laborers in dirt-poor villages and won promotions by raising village incomes by fifty percent. As they rose, they spent sabbaticals on the lake-studded campus of The Academy of Governance where they met the world’s leading thinkers, critiqued legislation and earned PhDs. They now run huge provinces, Fortune 500 corporations, universities, space programs and, of course, government departments and the Peoples Daily reords their progress under headlines like, “How Rural Poverty Criteria Affects Mayoral Promotions.”


    [1] Daniel Bell and Zhao Bing Bing, The China Model.
    [2] Liaoning (pop. 45 million) is a northeastern Chinese province bordering North Korea and the Yellow Sea.
    [3] The Committee https://macropolo.org/the-committee/
    [4] Donald Trump says Tom Brady and the Patriots are just like China. Boston.com. By Steve Silva July 6, 2015

    • Thanks: Ilya G Poimandres
    • Replies: @FB
  126. Thank God this “scamdemic” was not planned long ago and shown to us through predictive programming
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=187&v=5krD8zJ6-bY&feature=emb_logo

  127. utu says:
    @anon

    There is on little problem with your hasbara. Those great strategic planners in China of yours forgot about one little thing that the West has 100% dominance over China in the soft power of creating global narratives with which it will turn China into a pariah nation in the eyes of everybody, a nation that everybody hates.

  128. Biff says:
    @TG

    I personally think this was either the result of the so-called “wet-markets” in China – long known to be the primary source of the annual flu epidemics

    I’ve been going to markets in Asia all my adult life and suddenly they are both the source of flu epidemics and “wet”.
    Unless it is raining the second one makes everything seem so ridiculous.

    (why the heck haven’t they been shut down??)

    Because people would starve?

    Try throwing some blame(buying food makes you sick!) at your big box corporate food monopolies and try to shut them down – take a guess at what might happen?

    • Replies: @fnn
  129. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    Is that you, John “WE KNOW WHERE YOUR KIDS LIVE” Bolton?

  130. anon[114] • Disclaimer says:

    “hasbara”

    Your Mama, you purveyour of ad-homs.

    “the West has 100% dominance over China in the soft power of creating global narratives”

    Oh, really, “the West”? Last I checked there was a war in “The West” between two camps of elites of “The West” for our public consumption.

    “a nation that everybody hates”

    No, that would be your Mama’s “homeland”, Israel.

  131. Emslander says:
    @Tor597

    Except, it would be helpful if Ron placed somewhere prominantly on the home page that he is a card-carrying member of the “Resistance” against Trump, which this article finally reveals full blast.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  132. Polymath says:

    Too much attention here on things which could have other explanations and too little attention on the real puzzles and on those things which science can definitely settle.

    (1) It is solvable, and it will be solved, where and when were the first cases of the infection among the general public outside China. Almost everything else depends on that.
    (2) It is almost inconceivable that American agencies who had been plotting this would run it by Trump for approval first. It seems much more likely that the anonymously sourced report that our agencies knew about this in November is some kind of ass-covering to shift blame to Trump, whom these same agencies have been trying to take down for 4 years; which doesn’t help us discern whether they were also responsible for the pathogen in the first place, it’s consistent either way.
    (3) The genome has been out there long enough, with no one pointing out inconsistencies that have held up to scrutiny, that “wild”, “escaped from a lab”, and “was evolved in a lab” all look much more likely than “was designed directly by RNA editing”.
    (4) China’s behavior is much more consistent with accidental than with intentional release. They’ve obviously lied about the death toll and didn’t feel obliged to prevent their people from traveling abroad, but ordinary Communist wickedness explains that.
    (5) Travel between China and Iran and Italy explains the early prevalence there sufficiently, presuming genomic data we don’t yet have will confirm this.

    Conclusion: Too early to get locked in to origin theories, the usual suspects are taking advantage in the same way they would whether or not it was an intentional release. THIS WILL ALL BE CLARIFIED BY TESTING OF OLD TISSUE SAMPLES so I’m going to wait and see what those results say. The reports of early COVID outside China have not been confirmed, but come from researchers WITH REAL NAMES, so it WILL get figured out one way or the other and I’m holding my fire until then.

    P.S. Lieber is clearly a weird loose end that needs to be tied up. Is anyone trying to interview him?

    • Agree: john cronk
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  133. glib says:

    Let’s see. Here in the USA covid hit later, at a time when people have the lowest seasonal vitamin D (a major immune system hormone, with the population being 90%+ deficient). A fraction of the population being hit particularly hard has dark skin, further reducing the vit. D levels. That same fraction is over-represented among those who have metabolic syndrome (diabetes, hypertension, obesity, and the like), and that is related to all manners of immune system degradation. Then we have a medical system which looks only for profitable magic bullets, instead of trying a variety of cheap methods, each of which can increase the recovery rate by tens of percent.

    Finally we have lots and lots of nursing homes, unlike China. And a majority (more than 50%) of deaths comes from those places in Europe. Data from Italy suggests that privately run nursing homes are correlated with increased mortality, although it could just be extreme air pollution and/or other environmental factors. Data from Scandinavia suggest that nursing home size matters too, the smaller the better.

    Why should one be surprised that this thing is hitting harder in the West?

    • Agree: Cowboy, john cronk
  134. onebornfree says: • Website

    R.Unz:”By any reasonable measure, the response to this global health crisis by China and most East Asian countries has been absolutely exemplary,”

    Your transparent, never ending shilling for the murderous CCP is becoming more and more obvious, at least to myself. I’m starting to believe that this site is nothing more than a thinly disguised Chinese government propaganda outlet.

    As in other recent threads, you fully endorse the CCP’s criminal actions: lockdowns of [reportedly] 700 million Chinese citizens; literal lockdowns with citizens locked, even having their front doors welded shut by the “authorities”,for weeks. The idiotic [unless deliberate], Chinese “solution” has probably already killed 1000’s, if not 10’s or 100’s of thousands there via starvation alone, and the economic devastation caused in China will likely kill millions more Chinese in the years to come.

    But that is all “exemplary” in your opinion, right? “To make an omelette you have to break a few eggs”, right?

    R.Unz:”Everyone knows that America’s ruling elites are criminal, crazy, and also extremely incompetent.”

    Of course! “Everyone knows” that! [I wish].

    What you [and some of them] don’t know [or won’t admit to themselves] is that this is no less true of the Chinese government, or of any other government, for that matter.

    Reality fact: “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt  criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”or “improved”,simply because of their innate criminal nature.”   onebornfree

    Which means that believing/trusting official stories and figures doled out by competing criminal power structures, about _anything_, let alone actually supporting/promoting their idiotic and criminal acts [eg the Chinese, US and elsewhere lockdowns”], is a mugs game for useful idiots, nothing more. And yet, that is what you continue to consistently indulge yourself in here.

    And so it goes… No Regards, onebornfree

  135. Thanks for the excellent wrapup, Ron Unz. Your cui bono approach works like a super-chloroquine dose to zap the anti-China virus now spreading from U.S. legacy media. What passes for news media here in Europe is no better. But apparently there are islands of sanity outside the Western imperial heartland. If you read French, you may find it encouraging to read some real journalism on the source of the carona plandemic here from darkest Africa:

    https://www.sunuker.com/actualite/international/coronavirus-des-preuves-que-le-covid-19-trouverait-son-origine-aux-etats-unis/

    It even includes U.S. sources like Dr. Daniel Lucey who apparently can’t get a word in edgewise in the American press.

    • Replies: @Alden
  136. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    The same mendacious MSM that for three years howled at the moon that Putin had stolen the 2016 election for Trump is now barking like a mad dog about Covid being some kind of 21st Century version of the Black Death.

    Never mind that to get to the current figure of around 42,000 deaths, the CDC has been juicing the total number of dead by adding in those who died from a heart attack or stroke or some other medical complication, there was fear to be spread and by G-d, they were doing to scare the hell out of Americans, just like they did in the years after the Israeli masterminded 9/11 false flag.

    Like Mr. Atzmon has pointed out, the 2017-18 flu season was much deadlier, yet there was no lock-downs, quarantines and a complete gutting of the US–and the worlds–economy.

    The following may sound like a description of the current Novel Coronavirus pandemic: “The season began with an increase of illness in November; high activity occurred during January and February, and then illness continued through the end of March.” You guessed right, this is not the description of the current global Corona pandemic but actually how CNN described the outbreak of influenza in America in September 2018.
    Does it take a genius to figure out that the American 2017-18 influenza outbreak was pretty ‘similar’ to the current Novel Coronavirus epidemic?

    The first question that comes to mind is why didn’t America lock itself down amidst its catastrophic 2017-18 influenza as it has now? One may wonder why the CDC didn’t react to the ‘severity’ of the outbreak that was at least three times as lethal as the current Novel Coronavirus health crisis?

    https://gilad.online/writings/2020/4/20/is-amnesia-a-symptom-of-covid-19

    The Deep State thugs who are actually in charge of the US have some devious plan in mind with this Covid hysteria.
    Maybe they wanted to see how quickly Americans would give up their Bill of Rights. Or maybe they wanted to cover up the multi-trillion dollar bailout of those TBTF banks that we bailed out in 2009?

    Or maybe this the test run for their next batch of weaponized flu, the one that will get many killed and have people lining up for Mr. Know-it-all Bill Gates RFID chipped flu vaccine.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @freedom-cat
  137. denk says:
    @Anonymous

    Another explanation…

    The actual reason for the bombing was meant to cover-up NATO war crimes that were taking place almost daily, and the Chinese listening post located in the corner of the embassy that was bombed were intercepting orders issued by NATO which clearly revealed those crimes. The Chinese needed to be silenced and their operations ended, no matter the fallout.

    https://www.voltairenet.org/article177116.html

    In case you’r wondering what kind of war crimes your dear leaders were trying to cover up…

    https://web.archive.org/web/20120115150147/http://home.windstream.net/dwrighsr/a3820cf4d2861.html

    • Replies: @Ano0nymous
  138. Turk 152 says:

    My immediate gut reaction upon seeing the cartoon character version of a Muslim terrorist, Osama Bin Laden, was this is a fake designed to play on US xenophobia. He was obviously made for TV audiences.

    I assumed after Skripal and the endless Assad gas arracks, that our ruling elite have just become lazy and couldn’t even be bothered to create a plausible story to cover up their crimes, because the public is so stupid. How long did it take to determine it was a fraud, a weekend of casual reading?

    Putting a mob style hit on Venezuala’s President confirmed that they could care less what the Hoi Poloi think of them.

    If this is a US caper, it is the either the most ridicoulosly stupid one imaginable, or the most well thought out one in a very long time.

  139. I had not connected the intelligence reports (recently spilled out of the Deep State) with the obvious. Thanks, Ron, for pointing out that it’s hard to imagine how the NSA/CIA/whoever-collecting-part-of-the-85bln-we-spend-on-intelligence could report on this in November when the sources from which they would have derived that information (the Chinese government itself) didn’t know until December 31st, or shortly before that date when they reported to the WHO.

    Someone, in covering up for blowing the response to the virus, really dropped the ball.

  140. JQ says:

    Ill leave it at this :

  141. Scientists from the UK have a recent paper on the mutations of Corona-19.

    Here is part of the abstract:

    In a phylogenetic network analysis of 160 complete human severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-Cov-2) genomes, we find three central variants distinguished by amino acid changes, which we have named A, B, and C, with A being the ancestral type according to the bat outgroup coronavirus. The A and C types are found in significant proportions outside East Asia, that is, in Europeans and Americans. In contrast, the B type is the most common type in East Asia, and its ancestral genome appears not to have spread outside East Asia without first mutating into derived B types, pointing to founder effects or immunological or environmental resistance against this type outside Asia.

    And here are the findings in diagram form:

    https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/04/07/2004999117

    I think these findings throw lots of water on any bioweapon claims. But others may differ in their opinions.

    It definitely does indicate that the virus did not come from a Wuhan lab or the Wuhan wet market. It originated in Southern China where most people knowledgeable about bat viruses expect bat viruses to originate.

  142. you are mistakenly assuming and given for granted that this epidemic is much more lethat than others,that the total closure is beneficial and not harmfull,that is the solution ,you are deciding who to try to save regardless of the millions of victims of this economic harakiri,and there are many epidemiologists who disagree with you.

  143. Post-Corona, there seems to be a lot of wannabes angling for one of Ron’s coveted golden showers, I mean stars.

  144. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    One more thought: The US has over 25 bio-warfare labs that are located next door to Russia and China that have been called out before for their sloppy or maybe deliberate release of pathogens.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-biological-warfare-program-in-the-spotlight-again/5654064

    How many of those kind of labs does Russia or China have in Mexico or Canada?

    None that I’m aware of.

    Like the old saying goes: “Admit nothing, Deny everything and Make counter-accusations.” Sounds like Humpty Trumpty’s Covid blame-shifting plan.

    • Replies: @Vuki
  145. @Jeremygg5

    The WHO too only had high praises for China’s transparency and efficiency.

    Would that be the same WHO that said chinese disease was not communicable between humans and that we should keep letting infected people into the country? That’s who we should trust? Or should we trust the communist government that shut down domestic travel to and from Wuhan, because they were trying to protect the rest of THEIR country, while still allowing international travel, because they wanted the rest of the planet infected?

    This virus may or may not have been engineered, and may have come from the lab or the wet market. These things are debatable. But what is absolutely not debatable is that once the virus was loose, China choose to DELIBERATELY infect the rest of the world. These are people whose numbers we should trust?

    • Replies: @Jeremygg5
    , @naill
  146. @Ozymandias

    “ Lol. I can’t believe you’re doubling down on this jackassery.”

    Once you realize that the alt-right is a limited hangout, it makes perfect sense.

    • Replies: @Poco
    , @Herald
    , @Ryan2
    , @Ryan2
  147. @hs4691506

    “… I think it strange that now we have all these cross-overs from the animal kingdom.”

    In actuality, we’ve regularly had these crossovers and almost all seem to emanate from somewhere in China, e.g.,

    1889–1890 Asian or Russian Flu Pandemic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1889%E2%80%931890_flu_pandemic

    1918-1919 “Spanish” Flu Pandemic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#Hypotheses_about_the_source Despite the name the most likely theory is that this pathogen, an H1N1 virus, originated in China and mutated to become highly lethal in Europe or European-settled countries as a result of WW I. S

    1957-1958 Asian Flu Pandemic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%9358_influenza_pandemic

    1968-1969 Hong Kong Flu Pandemic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_flu

    2002-2004 SARS outbreak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome

    2009-2010 Swine Flu Pandemic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic A new strain of the H1N1 virus type that was responsible for the 1918-1919 Pandemic

    • Replies: @MacOisdealbh
    , @Alden
  148. Taking a scientific approach to American deep state biowarfare attack on China’s Wuhan district is telling in so far as Americans literally control tertiary education throughout the entire world via funding in the trillions.

    If the deep state wants to eliminate academics it can do so with merely a phone call to Law Enforcement branches at a moments notice so that research & hard drives can be confiscated and destroyed early on in investigations.

    Once the media & journalistic propaganda arms of state get hold of the official talking points to be disseminated the end game zero sum result is usually exactly what the state arms of propaganda have wanted all along.

    To be frank, I am an Intel thinker and am well aware of the details of the CIA led biowarfare attack on China, but attaining the required data in empirical form via Requests for Information from government is NOT going to ever yield synthesis required for scientific peer-review research.

    Bottom line is that the CIA had one CIA Agent/Operative deploy the nCov-19 in late October as the USA Military contingent was departing Wuhan district. The operative deployed the bioweapon via glass ampule smashed onto the ground to the entrance way for the Wuhan restaurant district near to the Wuhan Wet Market. Moreover, his CIA handler gave him the protocol & instruction on deployment of the bioweapon back in the United States of America long before the actual deployment.

    Lastly, Fort Detrick scientists developed the Chimera super-spreading viral pathogenicity with a herd of pigs in the USA before hand in around 2012. Logistics of setting up the Wuhan BSL-4 laboratory scientists for the false flag event of biowarfare were dependent upon academic arrests before hand so that deflection & impression management for governance would clearly be able to utilize plausible deniability where required.

    In sum, as one acutely aware of the bioterrorism that the United States of America has unleashed on the world covertly I, for one, can assure all that the US Deep State knowingly unleashed nCov-19 to undermine China’s meteoric rise in the financial world due to America’s incompetence writ large across the board since the Great Financial Crisis revealed that America is swimming naked and their Emperor is wearing no clothes to reveal his infinitesimally small Johnson in contradistinction to President Johnson’s Johnson which was historically infamous.

    P.S. The USA Deep State can get in line to lick my balls in deference to my superior intellect.

    Thank you, thank you very much!

    RW

    • Agree: Half Back
  149. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    First, can researchers take a look at this virus and determine with certainty whether it was artificially concocted in a lab or if it simply evolved out in the open? If so then that would help focus the discussion. If not then things will remain opaque.
    The Iranian government outbreak is strange but then people congregating with each other, like at ski resorts, pass it to each other. If it was a US biowarfare attack then how did US agents get access to them? They wouldn’t have the cover of some delegation to an event such as military games. But what was the effect on Iran? Zero. Some top leaders got sick and some older members died. They have replacements and the government continues without missing a beat. This idea that an ideal bioweapon would be highly contagious with a low lethal rate so as to tie up resources and halt the economy sounds good but in practice it’s hardly more than harassment. It slowed up the Chinese economy but that’s a temporary blip and they’re back now. The US and other countries are hardest hit economically. Many businesses will never recover. This is self-inflicted. The lethality of this virus looks to be increasingly lower and lower each time one looks despite all the Chicken Littles who were screaming that the sky was about to fall. Was there a purpose for that?
    The Wuhan outbreak coincided with the military games but things happen at random times as it is. People were crowded in there. The various plagues and viruses have been going from East to West for a very long time now. The problem is that currently there are many who have an interest in lying and misdirecting things which further muddy the waters.

  150. @Emslander

    What is crazy and funny is that supposed trump supporters thinks China would shrink it’s economy by 6.8% for the first quarter of 2020 to help Trump’s opposition.

    The same supposed supporters don’t even realized that the best way for trump to win the next election is to stamp out this damn virus asap. Denying is not going to work. Testing n quarantine combo is what would work. It is why trump changed his tune.

    Dumbasses. Crazy n stupid.

  151. denk says:

    Who’s a track record of extreme malfeasance against China, since ww2 ?

    1950 Korean war,
    1959 Tibet,
    1962 Indo./sino war,
    1965 [[[CIA/MI5]]] INdon genocide on ethnic Chinese.
    1989 TAM,
    1998 Indon pogrom , mass rapes on ethnic Chinese
    1999 BOmbing of Chinese embassy in ex Yugo,
    2001 Hainan spy plane, Chinese pilot died.
    2003 SARS1,
    2008 Tibet riots,
    2009 Xinjiang bloodbath,
    2013 Bird flu H7N9, Asia pivot
    2014 Xinjiang, HK, Mh370, bubonic plague, Ebola, Dengue,
    2018 bird flu, H7N9
    2019 HK, Xinjiang, swine flu, army worms,
    2020 SARS2, H5N1, locusts.

    All biowarfare attacks highlighted.

    • LOL: Wizard of Oz
  152. refl says:
    @Vaterland

    And there were also the proxy-war in Ukraine and the refugee crisis: the latter at minimum a fallout of US-Israeli wars in the Middle East and the Zionist assault against Libya; yet not unlikely itself a direct assault against Europe. And not only Willy Wimmer, closest adviser to our old chancellor Helmut Kohl, strongly suspected as much already back in 2015.

    Thanks for that context. It is exactly what I am trying to call attention to the whole time. Regardless, how much reality there is to Corona, my issue is the overall timing in the geopolitical context, with Europe being torn apart between the Angloamericans and China / Russia on the other side. That was the agenda anyway, so how is it possible that this threat appears at this very moment?

    It can be said that had Corona not happened, the powers to be would have needed to invent it.

    Else, in skimming the comments, I find that until now (with some 140 comments) there are hardly any discussions, but everyone pushing their own narratives.
    Mabe, it is possible to get away from the question, how and if Corona is deadly to the context that is developing. I have to admit that I did not take Corona serious enough from the start, not as an illness, but as a fundamental threat to our societies. In that sense, it is indeed a war.

  153. @hs4691506

    There was also some evidence that Chinese researchers under his supervision had smuggled samples of his work out of their labs and back to China. Chinese researchers, working in the USA and Canada, have a history of smuggling viral and other lab samples back ti China. It’s part of a much larger pattern of Chinese espionage and intellectual theft.

    A search on DuckDuckGo.Com using the following search string, “chinese scientists smuggling viral samples”, turns up a lot of useful information on smuggling of viral and other biological samples. (I no longer trust Google. DuckDuckGo is less censored and does not track its users)

    Similar searches using the strings “chinese intellectual theft” and “chinese scientific espionage” will provide a broader picture.

    BTW, I believe that Israel and the USA have both been conducting research into potential bio-weapons. I would not be surprised if the Chinese got a leg up on such research by espionage targeting both countries. Of the three, the USA’s research is probably the most benign/least vicious. I suspect that the Israelis have been ruthlessly researching and developing biological weapons, just as they did nuclear and chemical weapons. The Chinese have probably been doing bio-weapons research just as ruthlessly. The biggest concern with the Chinese is that, compared against Israel and the USA, their lab safety, security and containment procedures are lax to an obscenely dangerous degree. One can only hope that after the Wuhan outbreak, this attitude, if not the Chinese bio-weapons research, will change.

    • Replies: @denk
  154. This is a model opening argument for an ICC bill of indictment against the CIA command structure. The bird’s-eye view is exactly right – all of CIA’s gravest crimes have been most evident not at the detailed technical level but at the organizational level. CIA can shred all the MIPRs and RFPs and after-action reports they want, but the proof of all CIA crime is public information about the actions of CIA focal points in government. (Incidentally, one example you don’t mention is official obstruction, including CDC, of Helen Chu’s coronavirus testing. That would have shown that COVID-19 was far too widespread for a single introduction from Wuhan. Another example is the series of airport clusterfucks that muddled US haplotypes when Chinese researchers noted that they point to US origins.)

    The presumption of incompetence probably has its own CIA memo analogous to 1035-960. If they can get you to tacitly assume that CIA works in the national interest, but ineptly, then you misinterpret everything. CIA is a criminal enterprise with ongoing profit centers that fund opportunistic crimes from asset-stripping to aggression.

    When you’re using a banned biological weapon, domestic casualties confer important benefits:

    First, damage to the US can help obfuscate attribution. Philip Giraldi articulates that line in its clearest form, Why would the government shoot itself in the foot like that?

    Second, US contagion offers a pretext for domestic repression: house arrest; overt contact chaining illegally undertaken by NSA for decades; forcible derogation of your rights of assembly and association.

    Third, US economic devastation is used as a pretext for looting the fisc on an unprecedented scale. Blackrock now performs central planning on behalf of the Fed, forcing the state to guarantee a overwhelming volume of worthless and fraudulent securities.

    Illegal warfare that is difficult to attribute has one intractable problem. It’s a sneak attack in breach of the Hague Convention Relative to the Opening of Hostilities. That convention was the legal justification for the first use of nuclear weapons. So if Russia and China nuke the beltway into a sinkhole of molten basalt, that’s only fair.

    If it is established that COVID-19 is a banned biological weapon, this is self-evidently the gravest crime in world history. The attack manifestly constituted aggression with an absolutely indiscriminate weapon. It defies considerations of proportionality with unknown global effects. The Nazi regime was extirpated for much less.

    The evidence is very close to probative, and mounting.

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/04/18/breaking-exclusive-cias-covid-19-weaponization-program-outed-in-long-buried-ny-times-expose/

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/04/18/the-pentagon-bio-weapons/

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/04/18/pravda-us-army-created-covid-19-in-2015-research-proofs-or-debunking-you-pick/

    https://www.nature.com/articles/274334a0

    https://www.unz.com/wwebb/all-roads-lead-to-dark-winter/

    https://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/

  155. Agent76 says:

    Apr 16, 2020 Corona Virus, Economic & Social Collapse: Prof. Michel Chossudovsky

    Corona Virus, Economic & Social Collapse: Bankruptcy, Debt & Poverty.

    [MORE]

    Apr 4, 2020 ΝYC-ΙCU DR unknowingly describes the EFFECTS of 60GHz on patients.

    Mar 16, 2020 CONFIRMED! 5G Forced Installation In Schools Nationwide During COVID-19 Lockdown

    Guys, you need to get involved and do anything you can to spread this information.

  156. @Tor597

    I couldn’t say it any better than Tor597.
    Americans are not capable of even thinking that their elites could be so evil.

    • Replies: @meena
  157. There is the question of natural vs artificial origin of the novel corona virus, and from my layman’s research and considerations it seems increasingly that an artificial origin is extremely likely. The pertinent technology is now widely available, there has been a massive ongoing effort in the field since the 2nd WW, and many researchers and knowledgeable people are drawing the conclusion of likely artificial origin: So, for example, George Webb’s work, or the Czech scientist Dr.Sona Pekova, PhD, who near the end of the video linked to describes the virus in such a way as to indicate a great likelihood of artificial creation.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmL7okhbVzU&feature=youtu.be

    There are many possible perpetrators. And a few likely suspects.

    The ultimate health implications of the new virus are impossible to say with certainty at this point: For example, Paul Craig Roberts’ website’s latest title is “Bad News From the Virus if Correct”, with the point being that there are now known to be a lot of different strains with presumably different potential for harm, but there may be many more not recognized.

    There are additional contextual considerations that will have consequences which are anyone’s guess. So for example, last year saw many widespread agricultural catastrophes and difficulties which were usually weather related. If the weather continues to be uncooperative, in conjunction with food production and transportation problems related to the virus, in conjunction with the African Swine Flu disaster, then human health and food security, and thus health, on a large scale may be affected.

    Another contextual consideration is the recent rapid and accelerating deployment of 5G technology, which many are concerned can make life more vulnerable to health problems. It may just be coincidental, but worth noting, that tiny San Marino, enclosed by Italy, boasted of being the European leader in the rollout of 5G technology, and is now the world leader in corona virus deaths per million, by a long shot (San Marino with 1179 deaths per million as of today compared to second place Spain with 455 per million, and yes, Spain has been among the most ambitious countries in rolling out 5G in many cities. And Wuhan was the very poster ‘child’ of 5G. Just saying.)

    Shutting down the world economy seems rather dire. But it may just be the impetus for a radical rethink of the basic structure and design of the global economic system.

    The global paradigm which in economic terms might be described as globalism, or ‘when private corporations rule the world’, or neo-liberalism, or plutocracy running amuck, or grasping for ‘global government’, or the aftermath of the chimera of ‘full spectrum domination’, or in the wreckage of Rockefeller’s and Kissinger’s et al wet dream, or democracy spurned, is now inescapably obviously retarded, dysfunctional: a fundamental design flaw if you want humanity and Earth to thrive. In short, the culture of deception.

    Someone has suggested as symptomatic of our present predicament a cartoon featuring Fauci with his bio-weapon declaring this as ‘the age of the Ork’, with crazed Bill Gates as Gollum wielding a syringe and gleefully chortling ‘my precious!’.

    The local, one’s back yard, the decentralized, the careful common sense community, the regional, and the actually democratic national, with the public interest protected by the public, and much honest discourse, as one basic design alternative.

    • Agree: Agent76
  158. vot tak says:

    Useful article by Unz which connects the dots well. One important dot which is missing, though, in his analysis of the psywar promoting propaganda that the virus leaked out of a lab in Wuhan, and is a Chinese biowarfare agent, is that this psywar originated with an israeli military-intelligence operative. One dany shoham. This individual was also deeply involved in the “iraq has wmds” psywar operation at the beginning of the century. More on that dot and how it connects to the others, later.

    A few days ago I wrote this about how the israeloamericans are framing their psywar campaign against China:

    The israeloamericans are working on a several level strategy which includes back-ups in my opinion. The israeloamericans are trying to cover all the bases at once.

    So they claim China created the virus in a lab, in case it gets out it was lab created, meaning israel or the usa created it in a lab. The israeloamericans claim the virus leaked out of the Wuhan lab in case evidence is found that israeloamerica deliberately planted the virus in Wuhan or it spread from a source in the usa through some other vector. The israeloamericans claim China mislead the world about the virus so people wont notice the reality that China has successfully thwarted the virus, while trump & co. have continued making it worse. The claptrap about China under reporting victims is a variation of the latter tactic. And so on.

    Is what is being reported in the following article “damage control”?

    Neither ‘lab’ nor ‘wet market’? Covid-19 outbreak started months EARLIER and NOT in Wuhan, ongoing Cambridge study indicates

    https://www.rt.com/news/486194-study-coronavirus-southern-china/

    Another vector in the israeloamerican preemptive strategy? Now that research is showing the virus may have been infecting people earlier and neither a market in Wuhan, or even Wuhan itself, may be where it originated?

    With regard to western response to the pandemic, especially american, the delay in israel’s trump colonial regime’s containment response to the virus tells me they deliberately wanted the virus to spread across the country and cause the ruckus it is now causing. The question is why israel had them do this.*

    * Compare the israeli response, IE: strong proactive containment strategy, to the weak responses in most zionazi colonies. It is clear there is an actual strategy underlying this difference. And it entails more than israel being sacrosanct.

    Keep in mind that trump, and his corrupt regime, are israel’s property. More specifically, they tepresent the israeli likud freakshow (netanyahoo and related subhuman garbage). Most of what trump says and the policies his regime follow, originate from tel aviv. Trump’s cowardly “blame China” campaign, duplicated by the zionazi western media (commonly misnamed the msm) is israeli psywar.

  159. @onebornfree

    See my post at 135 regarding three different variants: A, B and C. The most prevalent in Asia is B and the most prevalent variants in Europe and the US are A and C. So it could also be that A and C variants are more virulent than B.

  160. “By any reasonable measure, the response to this global health crisis by China and most East Asian countries has been absolutely exemplary, while that of many Western countries has been equally disastrous. Maintaining reasonable public health has been a basic function of governments since the days of the city-states of Sumeria, and the sheer and total incompetence of America and most of its European vassals has been breathtaking. If the Western media attempts to pretend otherwise, it will permanently forfeit whatever remaining international credibility it still possesses.”

    So saying, Ron Unz forfeits whatever credibility he might have retained by now acknowledging the data emerged from “the fog of war” he found himself pronouncing in a month or more ago.

    Like Unz, and after examining the relevant Chinese data, epidemiologists Knut Wittkowski( almost a month ago) saluted the Asian approach to handling the novel virus threat.

    Unlike Unz, Wittkowski revealed that what was salutary was the Chinese government’s allowing the populace to gain herd immunity before instituting any lockdown measures. (rendering the lockdown measures a mystery from a scientific point of view).

    So, and according to Wittkowski- a man with credentials relevant to this story, yet completely ignored by Unz’ investigative article- the incompetence of Western governments cited by Unz is the clean reverse of what he claims: it is the incompetence of ignoring what the competent Chinese did not ignore, namely, the sound scientific counsel to allow the virus to spread, granting the herd immunity to the populace which protects the elderly and fragile self-quarantining until that immunity is gained.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Franklin Ryckaert
  161. Anon[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @TG

    There’s 3 possibilities:

    1) Virus is US bioweapon attack on China
    2) Virus is China’s own bioweapon accident
    3) Virus happened in nature, and everybody is trying to profit off the crisis or contain/direct the damage to their own interests.

    That’s 66% percent chance it’s an accident.

    Government in power were sane enough to avoid nuclear war as recently as 40 years ago. Why would they be crazier today? Biowarfare is Mutually Assured Destruction, too. If people can model this away, please provide a link.

    • Troll: vot tak
  162. annamaria says:
    @swamped

    You are cognitively blind to the obvious — the ZUSA has become ZUSSR (minus excellent Soviet educational system). Before lamenting “Chinese despots” and “their contempt for civil liberties,” think for a moment about the fate of Assange (why he is in a high-security prison?) and about the Banksters on the march (the financialization of the US economy).

    What is the state of “liberties” in the US and the UK? — Gay parades. Quantitative Easings for eternity.
    Why some 1000 American military bases encircle the globe? Why 25 American biofare laboratories reside in Europe? You are cheerleading for Cheneys and Rubins (read General Smedley Butler). https://fas.org/man/smedley.htm
    http://armswatch.com/the-pentagon-bio-weapons/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk_

    Libya used to be a prosperous state with universal healthcare and excellent educational opportunities. Enter the “non-totalitarian” and “non-despotic” deciders to bring in “liberties.” First, the US/NATO expropriated Libyan gold, and then a regular business of “liberation” took place: since the “non-totalitarian” and “non-despotic” liberators entered Libya, a civil war commenced, the healthcare and educational systems have collapsed and slave markets sprang.

    Or perhaps you are proud of freedom of information in the US?

    This important story was immediately summarized in many of the world’s other most prestigious publications, but encountered an absolute wall of silence in our own country.

    How much trillions have been disappeared by the Pentagon? — 21 (twenty-one). A lot of money that could be used for initiating great national projects of all kinds.
    Why the US industries have been relocated to China? — Because this is what US corporations demanded and got. What deciders want, they get. Read General Smedley Butler, again.

    httpx://dilyana.bg/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/1.png

    • Agree: Ace
  163. denk says:
    @anon

    Another problem with your imagination is that it doesnt pass the Who Test kit

    Nobody has produced a smoking gun.
    Its all about probability.

    By all indications,
    A FUKUS FF is the most likely .
    Your CON theory reeks of the classic western projection..

    Bandits crying robbery

    • Replies: @anon
  164. @Tor597

    Yes Ron’s tribe is doing great because of this.

  165. MLK says:
    @Otto von Komsmark

    For many weeks President Trump and his political allies had regularly dismissed or minimized this terrible health threat, and suddenly now faced with such a manifest disaster, they have naturally begun seeking other culprits to blame.

    I stopped reading after this childish fib.

    • Agree: john cronk
    • Troll: vot tak
    • Replies: @36 ulster
    , @anon
  166. I’m a little worried about The Unz Review. This pandemic is already being used to consolidate the economy and The Powers That Be are likely to use it to settle scores and purge dissident voices.

    TruthDig is down and other media is likely to go down soon as ad revenue collapses. I would have advised ad revenue from foreign sources like Aeroflot (and others outside the U.S. Oligarchy), but airlines are collapsing and international travel is likely to be down for a while.

    Maybe just open a Patreon Account and put a link in the sidebar.

    It may be a good time to be extra cautious and gird your loins as they say.

  167. Jake says:

    Whatever anyone may make of Unz’s assessment, I think everyone not insane or evil or mindlessly jingoistic should agree with this: “Everyone knows that America’s ruling elites are criminal, crazy, and also extremely incompetent.”

    By the way – I hope Unz has changed his mind about the bombing of Serbia. Anytime Neocons assert the need to use violence to help Moslems, the reasonable man smells not a rat, but a million putrid rats.

    • Replies: @Really No Shit
  168. Tor597 says:
    @Pheasant

    Zerohedge used to be libertarian and antiestablishment but something changed and they are now right wing neocons.

    • Replies: @Mustapha Mond
  169. denk says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    I would not be surprised if the Chinese got a leg up on such research by espionage targeting both countries. [SIC]
    Of the three, the USA’s research is probably the most benign/least vicious[SIC]

    ROFLAMO

    How fucking old are you kid ?

    Back to your Harry Potter forchrissake
    This is an adult site.
    Do you want me to inform your mom ?

    • LOL: vot tak
  170. Jake says:
    @Tor597

    Correct. The Elites of the Anglo-Zionist Empire will get richer from all this, while the white American middle and working classes will get poorer.

    Much the same will happen in the UK and France and other European nations.

  171. RT says:

    This and many other analyses focus primarily on governments, USA government, Chinese communistic government etc. and their past misadventures as proofs for their involvement or not involvement in the current disaster. I would like to see at least one extensive analyse of possible involvement of the nongovernment governments. Their interests and gains from this situation. Regards!

  172. Tor597 says:
    @Jason Crew

    If the US had come away with minimal damage there would not be the outrage required to go to war with China.

    So America had to be infected and the pain had to be real.

    Also, while main Street Americans are feeling the pain, the elites have been bailed out and will buy assets on pennies to the dollar.

    There was a bubble that had to pop anyways, this way the elites get bailed out. Remember how many CEOs retired just before this hit?

    • Replies: @Jason Crew
  173. Cambridge geneticist discusses the three strains of Coronavirus:

  174. utu says:
    @Felix Culpa

    Another victim of Knut Wittkowski.

    • Replies: @Felix Culpa
  175. @denk

    Not the “war crimes” bit again. Look, the whole operation was one big war crime, and that according to the US Secretary of State. Same with Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq — overthrow of another state for no compelling reason. So what? War is war, and China can either participate or not. If it participate, it can expect to become part of the general destruction.
    Analogy — if somebody is in your house and gets violent, that’s a crime. You are legally able to protect yourself. If the person starts to run, you can’t shoot she/he/it because she/he/it is no longer a threat. Sure, the other she/he/it started the crime, but that doesn’t mean you can commit a crime of your own (shooting somebody when she/he/it isn’t an immediate threat). Should she/he/it turn around and start returning fire, well, it just might be that she/he/it is legally doing so.

    So enough of this “you stepped on a crack and so you’ve transgressed the law in one particular, so you are absolutely condemned” stuff. You want to play that game, people get tired of it, and it has a bad endgame. Try playing it on COVID-19. COVID-19 might listen to you and depart. Go, use your moral authority and save us all.

    • Replies: @denk
  176. FLgeezer says:

    Never let a crisis go to waste. The following borders on the hilarious and the propaganda never ends.

    https://www.local10.com/news/world/2020/04/21/israeli-survivors-remember-holocaust-amid-virus-quarantine/

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  177. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    “..if a nation expects to be ignorant & free, in a state of civilisation, it expects what never was & never will be.”

    http://tjrs.monticello.org/letter/327

    From a Thomas Jefferson letter to Charles Yancey.

    Since the Israeli masterminded 9/11 false flag, the MSM has told us a gazillion lies about what DID NOT happen that day.
    When those lies started losing luster, we were told Bin Laden was killed, but they offered no proof, other than “Trust Us.’

    Then we started getting lies about ISIS, DAESH, al Nusra etc, that they were even worse than al CIA Duh, when in fact, they were started, funded, paid, protected and give air cover by the US/Israel and the Kingdom of Head Choppers.

    Now the same MSM is braying that Covid will be the end of the world, unless we give up our freedoms?

    Bull. We’re being lied to again and the sad part is, many are falling for this latest line of horse apples.

    In Coronavirus We Trust: Medical Surveillance State For A Gov That’s Experimented On You 239 Times

    https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/daily-wrap-up/coronavirus-we-trust-medical-surveillance-state-for-gov-thats-experimented-on-you-239-times/

  178. When are people going to realize that the mandatory vaccine is ready NOW – Gates, Fauci, Davos, the oligarchs, and the usual suspects just needed to lay the groundwork. It’s ready to go now. Doesn’t take much of a gedanken experiment to see the end-game here.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  179. @utu

    “Yes, what if the chief objective was not to hurt China by disrupting its society and economy but to make the whole world angry with China.”

    If the planning was like 9/11, then both of these objectives would have been carefully scrutinized and maximized.

    Bear in mind something, please: who says these bastards are finished unleashing designer bugs?

    Would it not be wisest for these evil geniuses to keep the bugs coming, intensifying the impact so that the continuously simmering anger of the increasingly desperate masses can be directed to boil over at the Chinese menace when the ‘elites’ deem it necessary and proper. And with exploding unemployment numbers, especially among the young, and no real short term job or career prospects, these psychopathic ‘elites’ have a ready-made source for boots on the ground, should that be mandated.

    Of course, I hope all this turns out to not be the case. But if 9/11 was any indication, these bastards will be brazen and shamelessly murderous.

  180. This site’s credibility is going down faster than the financial markets. It’s only good for entertainment value at this stage.

    • Disagree: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  181. @Max Powers

    When you said that Ron Unz lost you with his defense of NATO in the unnecessary Serbian war, I hope that you read the rest of the article rather than stopping there. I, too, smelled a Bill Clinton obfuscation at the time, as I always do when any US president sends our troops to war. I’m a little surprised that Mr. Unz didn’t.

    However, I respect his honesty, and he more than redeemed himself in the rest of his well-researched and well-written article. It did much to bolster my belief that the CIA/Neocons are behind it. Although, discounting the unfairly derided Beltway outsider Mr. Trump, I’ve never considered the likes of such people as West Point grad SOS Pompeo as being incompetent. To paraphrase the former CIA head: “we lie, we cheat, we steal.”

    • Replies: @tomo
  182. But America and several European countries avoiding adopting these same early measures such as widespread testing, quarantine, and contact-tracing, and have paid a terrible price for their insouciance.

    For someone ordinarily quite careful in your use of terminology, you conflate the term quarantine with lockdown. This is usually being done these days in the media to make a lockdown seem less unreasonable to the insouciant public. Properly a quarantine is the isolation of the sick to prevent the spread of contagion to the healthy public. What we have are lockdowns, restricting the free movement of the healthy population. These have been resorted to out of the desire “to do something,” but unfortunately as you must know, there is absolutely no empirical evidence that lockdowns do any good when all is said and done, and they do considerable economic harm. Sweden used a relaxed social distancing approach without a lockdown, and their mortality rate is currently less than that of most countries that resorting to this authoritarian approach.

  183. @Quintus

    “Another financial reset was also long overdue, as Greg Mannarino and others have pointed out: the coronavirus cover was too perfect of a tool for deflecting the guilt from the Fed and the banksters; killing many birds with one stone, the virus is also a 2) powerful psy-op hurting China’s image in the world, 3) further delivering a strong blow to its export-driven economy; 4) it sets the stage for the cashless society (“dirty bills not accepted here!”), the advent of digital currencies and 5) top-down surveillance.”

    Exactly!

    This planned-demic is like a Timex watch for the PTB: the gift that keeps on giving.

    You are spot-on when you say that digital currencies and top-down surveillance will be enabled by this oh-so-convenient viral pandemic.

    Like I said, it’s a neoliberal zionist-neocon elitist’s wet dream come true, maybe even more than 9/11 was.

    I guess we all get to watch, wait and see what happens next……………. 🙁

  184. One thing I have been waiting for is confirmation that HIV is somehow involved in the virus, making it a chimera and tipping the scale towards bioweapon.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  185. @anon

    If Trump was in on it, he didn’t do much of a job making himself a hero, several missteps are noticeable in the view of 20/20 hindsight, even if he intentionally wanted to crash the economy he would have scripted it better.

  186. denk says:
    @Ano0nymous

    I’ve difficulty reading your incoherent rant, but this one sticks out…

    overthrow of another state for no compelling reason. So what? War is war

    Enuff said.

    No more comment.

    • Replies: @Ano0nymous
  187. 36 ulster says:
    @MLK

    Unz.com seems to be less a blog than an online asylum; Ron and most of the KrazyKommentariat have really flipped their tinfoil Trilbys this time. This site is worse than Infowars is reputed to be–yet utterly without the entertainment value. You wonder why Pat Buchanan, Steve Sailer and Bertie Woostershire continue to post on this site. And, yes, why I bother to comment.

  188. @Tor597

    “Zerohedge used to be libertarian and antiestablishment but something changed and they are now right wing neocons.”

    Their true colors are emerging for all to see.

    I recognized early on what exactly Zerohedge was about: sayanim-directed, intelligently controlled opposition. Very intelligently controlled, I should say.

    Or as I call it, “Zio-hedge”.

    The trick is to give lots of good analysis and establish credibility, and then on the absolutely critical issues, subtly reinforce the neocon narrative. Then, slowly over time, not so subtly. Then, when the moment is ripe, openly and strongly support the neocon narrative. Again, a very intelligent and effective technique.

    Sadly, we are now at the point of “openly” reinforcing the neocon narrative……..

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  189. Anon[223] • Disclaimer says:

    Ron,
    Your article is very good! Thank you for shedding some light on this issue

    I would like to summarize a rebuttal to some of the points expressed in this article

    However, your chart depicting America and China economic trends is statistically misleading

    America started from a much higher bar than China, and it is harder for richer countries to grow. Furthermore, an additional dollar in per capita GDP for America is a less % growth than it would be for China.

    Here is the GDP per capita growth from the World Bank for America vs China.

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?locations=US-CN

    Hardly, what your graph shows at all. In fact, this shows America adding more in Per capita GDP in real terms than China over the last thirty years.

    It seems the issue is that you are thinking that China’s exponential growth will continue till the point where it strongly surpasses the USA, like the Coronavirus’s growth, but countries don’t work like that. Unless you want to believe there was some policy reason for why Japan went from 10% to 1% growth in ten years.

    Second, with respect to the domestic impoverishment of America, I think you are mistaken here. Most of those who are impoverished in America are immigrants and Black people, one group because of their recent arrival and location in America’s most expensive cities. The other group because of their lack of time preference, so they don’t save.

    America has a higher household savings rate than all of Western Europe and Japan.
    Per the OCED:
    https://data.oecd.org/hha/household-savings.htm#indicator-chart

    The US has three times the savings rate of Japan!

    Additionally, the US has ten times the household disposable income of China as of last year, though this may change with the coronavirus:
    https://data.oecd.org/hha/household-disposable-income.htm
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/278698/annual-per-capita-income-of-households-in-china/

    Additionally, How did China identify the virus so quickly? It is fairly hard to tell, even from those who died. According your own article, China shut down when they had 11 deaths, and sequenced the genome when they had even less. That has never happened before, and I feel that is suspicious to me. The offical Chinese narrative is that the Wuhan Goverment dropped the ball, so how did they catch the disease so early?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @utu
    , @antitermite
  190. Rahan says:

    An article by Mr. Unz is always worth the wait and then the read, no matter if I agree a 100%, 60%, or even just 20% with what has been written.

    A real delight, and a sort of Christmasy feeling. Which is a very important psychological boost for the likes of me in such weird, weird times. Thanks!

    • Agree: FLgeezer
  191. denk says:

    USAF excercise before 911
    http://911blogger.com/news/2015-09-17/air-defense-exercise-month-911-was-based-around-osama-bin-laden-carrying-out-aerial-attack-washington//

    UK/France War game before Libya invasion,
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/when-war-games-go-live-staging-a-humanitarian-war-against-southland/24351?print=1

    A Haiti Disaster Relief Scenario Tested by US Military One Day Before the Earthquake
    Humanitarian excercise before Haiti quake…
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/a-haiti-disaster-relief-scenario-was-envisaged-by-the-us-military-one-day-before-the-earthquake/17122

    Crimson [sic] Contagion,
    An year long excercise on pandemic from Red China prior to CV 19

    Another ‘excercise’ turning live ???

    • Replies: @denk
  192. The Winnipeg lab lead scientist, a Dr Plummer, dropped dead in Nigeria in early March.
    He more than likely added the HIV 1 content to the Wu V to allow it to spread since he had the MERS variant from 2014 on.
    His lab then had Wuhan Scientists escorted out by RCMP last summer.
    No info as to why was offered, and Plummer was buddies with the Harvard prof, and both were recipients of Epstien the rapists financial support.
    Ron always goes to the edge, but never ever steps off!!
    Epstein should be brought up, he gave many millions to the Harvard and MIT people for virus development!! Cui bono Ron, cui bono, by deception, make war!!!

  193. Not sure what to make of Mr. Unz’s piece here — there’s a lot of room for any number of suspects to emerge as the guilty party here … 

    One of the earliest questions I had was just how did this virus get into Iran — which naturally begs the question of who has the most visible and ongoing hatred of Iran — other than israel — and their stooge, the United States.

    The Newsweek article cited here about the class action lawsuits even mentions one of the plaintiff attorneys: “But Klayman claimed he has “whistleblowers with firsthand knowledge” of China’s involvement in the viral outbreak who are currently residing in Israel and the United States and who can help substantiate this charge.” So … just who is it among ‘whistleblowers’ that reside in israel and in the United States (likely dual citizenship folks) — other than israeli nationals?

    And, from this article: “But by late February Iran had become the second epicenter of the global outbreak. Even more surprisingly, its political elites had been especially hard-hit, with a full 10% of the entire Iranian parliament soon infected and at least a dozen of its officials and politicians dying of the disease, including some who were quite senior.

    ” … Across the entire world the only political elites that have yet suffered any significant human losses have been those of Iran, and they died at a very early stage, before significant outbreaks had even occurred almost anywhere else in the world outside China. Thus, we have America assassinating Iran’s top military commander on Jan. 2nd and then just a few weeks later large portions of the Iranian ruling elites became infected by a mysterious and deadly new virus, with many of them soon dying as a consequence. Could any rational individual possibly regard this as a mere coincidence?”

    Even allowing for Iran’s involvement by the chinese in its BRI — how can anyone explain the virus so quickly targeting the elites in Iran’s ruling class — certainly they don’t hang around with the chinese in Iran or elsewhere, do they?

  194. ld says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Your list is too small. I laugh at these comments regarding China’s lies and crimes. Americans are surely the most gullible people on the planet. They know their corrupt government steals and lies to them daily yet they can still be manipulated to jump on the bandwagon of blame and hate towards anyone at anytime with a few inciteful articles from the media.
    let me add to your list

    [MORE]

    MLK
    JFK
    Ruby
    USS Liberty
    911
    Venezuela
    Honduras
    Haiiti
    Hiroshima
    Vietnam
    Syria
    Palestine
    Russia
    Ukraine
    Libya
    Epstein
    Afghanistan
    32 Trillion dollars missing from the pentagone
    All Presidential Elections

    Hiding their own crimes against humanity, their government drug trade/sex trade/ chemical and biowarfare against poor countries.
    The US of Israel… so exceptional.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  195. @Mustapha Mond

    Agreed . Like 9/11 there is plenty of evidence in the predictive programming/revelation of the method/social conditioning that the Coronavirus pandemic was many years in the making see, for example : “WTF? Olympic Opening Ceremony 2012-NHS” YouTube . Yes, the London 2012 Olympic Games opening ceremony revealed part of the plot of the Coronavirus plandemic. I was expecting that something like this was going to happen ,but figured the cabal/cult/globalists/freemasons wouldn’t try to pull it off until Americans were disarmed but , when you have total control of the media , it is easy to create hysteria and brainwash the public into believing that the Coronavirus, which is probably no more than the flu ,is the plague and will wipeout mankind unless everyone is locked-down . As another commenter has noted ,they probably could not have pulled off the international Coronavirus psyop 10 to 20 years ago because they did not have control and ownership of the worldwide massmedia . septemberclues.info has a good, short essay on “The central role of the news media on 9/11.” Unless you stop relying on news from NPR, MSNBC, New York Times , Washington Post, Fox News , CBS , NBC ,etc,etc you will remain brainwashed and unable to understand that we are living through a planned-demic with a frightening agenda .

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  196. @anon

    “Please do not comment on things you clearly don’t understand. It is estimated that no more than a few percent of the American population has been exposed to Sars2 (Covid-19).”

    The key word is “estimated”. No one knows (not even you) the actual number of exposed Americans to the Wuhan virus. There have been some small random samples done by Dr.Bhattacharya that indicate that there is actually a large number of Americans that have been infected but are asymptomatic and that the final mortality rate will be closer to the annual flu or 0.1% to 0.2% instead of the guesstimate of 3%. The early studies are too small to think they are representative of the nation but the results indicate that larger studies are necessary in order to support nationwide policies, which are currently being made on hunches not science. About 60,000 to 80,000 died of the flu during the 2017 season when vaccines were available, so a large number of deaths during the flu season are not unusual and never required closing down the economy.

    [MORE]

    Gov. Cuomo was screaming at the top of his lungs that he needed tens of thousands of ventilators, thousands are now sitting in his warehouses unused. So much for estimates. Most of the early estimates were wrong by exaggerating the death rate, which turned out to be only a guess rather than based upon science.

    The CDC has been derelict in its duties over the years and has been giving poor advice. There are other experts in the field that have alternative views that are being ignored or dismissed and should at least be considered.

    Prof. Johan Giesecke
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=bfN2JWifLCY&feature=emb_logo

    Dr. John Ioannidis

    Dr. Jay Bhattacharya

  197. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ayatollah Smith

    I have been reading much about Covid-19, but am waiting for anyone, in or out of government, trying to blame China and/or exonerate Uncle Sam to deal with a particular point that anyone can easily appreciate using only a timeline:

    The US needs to answer this question: HOW could US ‘intelligence sources’ possibly have known in November – or even October – of a potential pandemic of COVID-19 that would erupt – specifically in Wuhan – two months later? (Or that was already erupting in Wuhan at the time, unbeknownst to the Chinese?). I believe the entire world would demand the answer to this.

    So far, nothing. No refutation, no rationalization, just … silence. Like WTC-7, is this Achilles’ heel from which the Establishment can only limp away?

    I don’t know who, what, when, where, or why this infection(s) began. But I’m certain that anyone dodging that particular question wants me not to.

  198. MLK says:
    @36 ulster

    Yeah . . .

    In 2016, when I finally cancelled by NYT subscription, I was asked why I was doing so. I explained that I didn’t like having my intelligence systematically insulted.

    Like, I think, most UR readers, I’m game for pretty much anything as a general proposition.

    But poor Ron couldn’t make it more than 100 words into a droning 7,400 words with discrediting himself.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
  199. anonymous[206] • Disclaimer says:

    When CIA whacked JFK, the whole world outside the US iron curtain knew, but too bad. When CIA blew up OKC, the whole world knew, but hey, it’s their business. When CIA knocked down the WTC, on the second try, and blew up the Pentagon a bit to start a war, the whole world knew, but Russia was tits-up, unable to do anything about it.

    This is different. CIA’s illegal germ warfare is a maleficium, in legal doctrine going back to Grotius. CIA wronged the whole world, and the whole world has a joint obligation to hold CIA responsible. Russia and China made a missile gap for real, so now they can do it.

    This is war. This is the very beginning of the world war that will end the CIA regime:

    https://tass.com/world/1146127

    Gina’s gonna swing for this.

  200. Anon[223] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    One problem with the chart that can be fixed to make it more representative is that the two countries should start from the same base of comparison. If you use two different bases, then you get the wrong comparison.
    For instance, if you measured the US from China’s base in 1980, the US added 40k in per capita gdp in the 40 years, reflecting a 4000% increase from China base in contrast to the 1400% increase that China had.
    If you use the same base, then America is what looks like a superior country.

  201. @Mustapha Mond

    ZH isn’t the only site whose true colors are showing…

  202. annamaria says:
    @antitermite

    Unbelievable. A truly gifted researcher destroyed on the totally idiotic charges:

    Charles M. Lieber (born 1959) is an American chemist and pioneer in nanoscience and nanotechnology. In 2011, Lieber was named by Thomson Reuters as the leading chemist in the world for the decade 2000-2010 based on the impact of his scientific publications. He is known for his contributions to the synthesis, assembly and characterization of nanoscale materials and nanodevices, the application of nanoelectronic devices in biology, and as a mentor to numerous leaders in nanoscience.

    Awards:
    Feynman Prize in Nanotechnology (2001)
    MRS [Material Research Society] Medal (2002)
    ACS Award in the Chemistry of Materials (2004)
    NBIC Research Excellence Award in Nanotechnology, University of Pennsylvania (2007)
    Inorganic Nanoscience Award, ACS Division of Inorganic Chemistry (2009)
    Fred Kavli Distinguished Lectureship in Nanoscience, Materials Research Society (2010)
    Wolf Prize in Chemistry (2012)
    Nano Research Award, Tsinghua University Press/Springer (2013)
    IEEE Nanotechnology Pioneer Award (2013)
    Willard Gibbs Medal Award (2013)
    MRS Von Hippel Award (2016)
    Remsen Award (2016)
    NIH Director’s Pioneer Award (2017 and 2008)
    John Gamble Kirkwood Award, Yale University (2018)
    Welch Award in Chemistry (2019)

    On January 28, 2020, Lieber was arrested on charges of making false statements to the U.S. Department of Defense and to Harvard investigators regarding his participation in China’s Thousand Talents Program… According to the Department of Justice’s charging document, there are two counts of alleged crime committed by Lieber. … The DOJ believes Lieber’s statement was false…

    Alleged counts. The DOJ believes. Yet the DOJ never tried to arrest Madam Ghislaine Maxwell whose crimes have been confirmed unequivocally. Any news of the arrest of Mossad-connected Mr. Lauder who stole American technologies? https://www.newcoldwar.org/mega-group-maxwells-and-mossad-the-spy-story-at-the-heart-of-the-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/

    As if deciders have decided that Charles Lieber knew too much to believe in their profitable fables.

  203. MarkinLA says:

    The only way “the US government did it” makes sense is if this was happening this coming November after Trump has been reelected. If the Deep State did it without Trump’s approval, somebody will talk just like John Soloman claims FBI agents told him of the Russiagate conspiracy at the FBI while it was getting underway. Somebody would have alerted somebody loyal to Trump what was being planned. Remember Trump had to give the order to kill that Iranian general. The Deep State (full of Israel’s toadies) didn’t even do that on their own.

    Of course, there is an answer for everything. It even makes more sense for Trump to do it now so he can fix it. The Deep State did it but Trump now has to cover for them or risk the world finding out how incompetent he is.

  204. Rahan says:

    Concerning “wet markets”, I’d just like to add that 99% of those are normal “butcher’s markets” with lamb, beef, pork, chickens, and sea produce, and 1%, in specific parts of the country, selling all the Cthulhu fhtagn stuff.

    So China reopening some wet markets now is an argument neither for, nor against the zootropic theory. Because I’m pretty sure they’re reopening the “lamb and chicken” wet markets, not the “H.R.Giger’s nightmares” ones, such as the one in Wuhan that is one of the three possible origins.

    1) Wuhan wet market
    2) Wuhan lab
    3) Wuhan based foreign troops taking part in the military Olympics

    Has to be one of those three. Maybe the third was even accidental, but…

  205. Dr Andrew Kaufman exposing the ‘Covid-19’ magic trick – the sleight of hand that transformed society

    • Replies: @utu
  206. There’s some interesting information in the article for sure, but it seems to me that if the US were to perform clandestine bio weapons attacks on another country, the Middle East and Russia would surely be the primary targets. We rely on China for a lot of things, such as virtually all the goods sold at Walmart and China owns a great deal of our debt, so it would seem to me a financially strong China is in our interest.

    Moreover, plagues and epidemics, especially coronaviruses, have started in the far east as long as can be remembered.

  207. Trinity says:
    @Anonymous

    This is about the most common sense post I have read on this site. SPOT ON. OUR current problems in regards to immigration, racial issues, Black criminality, and this (((virus))) can all be traced to one group for the most part. Btw, I was in NYC about the same time perion in ’83-’87 and haven’t been back since, but from what I understand, it is far worse today. I actually didn’t find it that bad back then even though crime and drugs were out of control. Probably because I was a twenty-something and having fun.

    Anyhow, as you said, WHY in the hell do ANY Americans, much less White Americans ALLOW RACIST JEWISH SUPREMACIST organizations have so much power over them. It isn’t as if the ADL or $PLC try and hide their hatred for Whites. I would have no problem for any organization whether it be Black, Jewish or Hispanic fighting against racism, but lets face it, these organizations aren’t fighting against racism, they main goal is to take away the rights of Whites or demonize WHITES ONLY.

    “Life isn’t complicated.” And this (((virus))) isn’t either. This shit was MANUFACTURED and we can only guess by whom and what their future intentions are down the road. As usual the usual suspects have already pretty much revealed themselves to anyone out there really watching. For the WILLFULLY ignorant ostriches and chinadidit people, well, they must like be lorded over by a tiny group of people who don’t give two shits about them or their children.

  208. @Thulean Friend

    the response of the West has been utterly atrocious either way.

    What do you people wish happened — Trump-issued national lockdown order back in January? Why do the death counts need to be artificially inflated if this virus is as deadly as the media says?

  209. The American media is run by jews. It’s amazing how the great counter-semite, Ron Unz, seems to be unaware of this fact.

  210. annamaria says:
    @Gaius Gracchus

    The US intelligence services knew about the virus in the middle of November 2019 (before Chinese) and alerted Israel, NATO, and the US government about the “emerging disease in Wuhan.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-alerted-israel-nato-to-disease-outbreak-in-china-in-november-report/

    The US had the epidemics of a similar ‘lung virus’ (vaping disease) in January 2019 (a year before the announcement of the epidemic by Chinese). https://phpa.health.maryland.gov/OEHFP/EH/Pages/VapingIllness.aspx

    These injuries often seem like pneumonia, but they are not caused by an infectious disease, and they do not improve with antibiotics. Respiratory symptoms reported include: shortness of breath, chest pain, pain on breathing, and cough. Other symptoms reported by many patients include: fever, chills, nausea, weight loss, vomiting, diarrhea, or abdominal pain.

    • Agree: SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @lulu
  211. Whether plausible or not, such accusations carry the gravest international implications, and there are growing demands that China financially compensate our country for its trillions of dollars in economic losses.

    Aren’t you comdedians Trillions deep in debt by the Chinese?
    Since you’d never pay back anyway, they are in the face saving position to grant you very generous debt forgiveness.

  212. utu says:
    @Anon

    “Unless you want to believe there was some policy reason for why Japan went from 10% to 1% growth in ten years.” – Absolutely, result of policy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaza_Accord

    And China has the highest saving in terms of percent of their disposable income

    • Replies: @Anon
  213. @Mustapha Mond

    Not to mention, Mr. Brave New World (how appropriate your name is), it fits in nicely with Bill Gates’ plan for a massive reduction in world population. What freedom-loving young proles will want to form families and bring children into such a dystopia? Already, US whites are well below replacement rate and dropping. As of 2018 it was 1.73 babies per woman, 16% below replacement rate, the lowest rate ever recorded. Asian Americans are even lower at 1.525 (per the World Atlas).

  214. @Chet Roman

    there things that are kmown:the almost universal economic damage that stopping the economy,as if it were a ball game,would bring,guaranteed

  215. @Ozymandias

    Just as I have been saying for a long time now, all you China-did-its are quarter-a-post troll farm trolls.

    China-did-it trolls agree implicitly with our owners, and yet act like, ooh, they’re big radicals. You hapless trolls.

    • Agree: Trinity
  216. We all have one hand tied behind our back. There is nobody that I know of presenting information from inside the border of China to compare with Ronald Unz and his collaborators at unz.com. I have seen exactly one document in the last two years. It was a post on medium.com which purportedly was written by a Chinese ex-pat graduate student in British Columbia with google earth images analyzed to show the proliferation of concentration camps in Xinjiang for the retention of young male uyghurs.

    Every single time I saw this document referenced on the internet it was followed up within an hour by a shower of posts from all over the place that it was CIA fake news.

    Basically at most we know about 1/2 and it is tough to know what to do with that.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  217. @36 ulster

    Because articles with stated evidence linked to articles/research/legislation where it is taken from (unlike the MSM, that links nothing other than its own circle-jerk), and some implicit acceptance that the reader should have the freedom to decide for themselves – rather than being spoonfed ‘truths’ agreed upon somewhere ‘up high’ – offers people enough respect to allow them to accept that the webzine is not an ideological printout, but a spectrum of ideas, to be evaluated by the reader. This is a contract with consideration.

    We have no truths from our elected leaders, or their stenographers in the MSM though.

    When Trump says ‘blame China’, most of us see a bankruptcy merchant peddling a lie to weasel out and default on 1 trn $$ (Martyanov said it first methinks!) – cause that’s what he does, and that’s what he knows.

    Unz offers a fairly balanced approach to conspiracy theory – not conspiracy hypothesis. Ain’t seen any article on some dude claiming he got anal probed by little green men without any even anecdotal evidence.

    This place debates the smoke, often without the fire. But it’s a good start to some explanation for some fire. Much of the rest of the net doesn’t look at the smoke, but instead distracts its audience with some other eye candy.

    But hey, is it fair to complain – some people enjoy WWE!

    • Disagree: Manfred Arcane
  218. @utu

    There’s nothing like attacking the person (Wittkowski himself) in place of his point ( herd immunity already gained by Asians before lockdown) to demonstrate your bona fides.

    Thanks for your back-handed admittal that you can’t rebut his conclusion.

    • Replies: @utu
  219. I have been trying to get this across for an age. It’s very simple. Anybody who says China did it is suspect. Not only does the import of their message suggest that the China-did-its are ruling-class-hired trolls, the trolly smartass tone suggests it, not to mention the illiteracy.

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  220. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Other Side

    “The drastic changes in the Balkans in the 1990s and the disintegration of Yugoslavia in particular have resulted in a large number of publications attempting to explain the break-up of this country and the political developments in the Balkans. Some of these publications deal partly with the local Muslims who were engaged in the Balkan conflicts but, with some exceptions, they are focused mainly on recent developments, with less attention paid to the historical contexts in which the Muslim nationalist movements were shaped. Although religion played a more important role in the nation-building process of the Bosnian Muslims than in that of the Albanians, there are very few studies that examine the reasons for this and the impact of Islam on the Muslim nationalist movements in historical perspective. The following article examines from a comparative perspective the role of Islam in the Bosnian Muslim and Albanian national movements from the Ottoman period up to the end of the Cold War. The Sunni Muslims of Bosnia and the Albanians, who are divided into three religions and a variety of sects, present contrasting societal structures for the analysis of different aspects of Islam.”
    Would you like to read the rest of this article…
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233460310_The_Bosnian_Muslims_and_Albanians_Islam_and_nationalism

    More reading…
    “Immediately after the fall of communism in Albania in 1991, Arab Islamic fundamentalists infiltrated the mosques in the country, which is 70 percent Muslim. The interlopers represented the Saudi Wahhabis and the Egyptian disciples of today’s al Qaeda leader Ayman Al-Zawahiri. In spring 1999, a dozen of Al-Zawahiri’s acolytes, known as the “Albanian Returnees,” were deported from the eastern Adriatic republic to Egypt, tried, and sentenced to death or extended prison terms for terrorism. The “Returnees” had been told by their “sheikhs” to stay in Albania and avoid going to Kosovo, where NATO military forces were, by that time, thick on the ground. But Albania booted them out with alacrity. Evidence in the case of the “Albanian Returnees” proved extremely important in tracing the evolution of al Qaeda’s Egyptian predecessors.”

    https://www.islamicpluralism.org/2033/arabs-iranians-and-turks-vs-balkan-muslims

    we were all so suckered.

  221. @CanSpeccy

    Is Canspeccy a low grade government agit prop agent or what? I have heard that snide voice under so many different names all across the comment columns of this great dictatorship of ours.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  222. utu says:
    @anon

    Thanks. Perhaps you could write more on how to cover tracks when introducing synthetic virus.

    I know practically nothing about microbiology but was curious how one could go about fooling the detective into believing that virus is natural.

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-hunt-for-patient-zero/#comment-3831693
    New virus makers could go around the problem altogether by creating the intermediate stage viruses and introduce them into the natural environments (like bats and pangolins) and then having them discovered by a ‘friendly’ scientist and published and cataloged in the virus directory. So when the suspect new virus is studied, its natural antecedents would be waiting in the catalog to be found to show a plausible natural evolutionary path.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/corona-cost/#comment-3768878
    Probably not if the bioengineering is done with finesse. You find a known virus in nature (in the database of known viruses) that requires minimum number of modifications to obtain the desired gain of function. Furthermore you can create intermediate stage viruses and introduce them into the nature (some animals) and then have your trusted scientists to discover them and upload them to the database of known viruses. So when the culprit virus is identified during the epidemic and cross checked against what is in the database it may appear as it is a product of natural random mutations from its known precursors.

  223. Anonymous[291] • Disclaimer says:

    Will the US pay reparations for Iraq, Syria, Libya, and rest of them?
    Will the US pay reparations to Iran for wrongful sanctions? After all, Iran has no nukes while another country in the Middle East has lots of Bombs.
    Will US globalists pay Russia reparations for ravaging the economy in the 1990s?

    Will Merkel pay reparations to rest of Europe by welcoming all those migrant-invaders?
    Will Israel ever pay reparations to the Palestinians?

    There is morality in any of these demands. It’s all gangsterism. An extortion scheme by ‘made nations’ that never need to pay for their actions.

  224. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Gorgeous George

    Although not the main focus of the article, this excerpt from it is well worth refuting – especially given the reputation of this venue for seeking out valid counter-establishment views.

    At the time, I was overwhelmingly focused on domestic political issues, so I only paid slight attention to our one small military operation of that period, the 1999 NATO air war against Serbia, intended to safeguard the Kosovo Albanians from ethnic cleansing and massacre, a Clinton Administration project that I fully endorsed.

    Quite disappointing. In the two year period before the aforementioned NATO bombing (aggression IMO and that of some others), no more than 2,000 were killed in Kosovo fighting – a figure that includes 500-600 Serbs, thereby making them the greater per capita victim based on their % of the population in Kosovo. Moreover, the murder rate in some US cities of that period wasn’t less according to Pat Buchanan and some others.

    During this very same period, a noticeable number of Kurds in Turkey were dying as a result of Turkish military action. There’s also the put mildly suspect manner of the KLA. Hence, the 1999 bombing campaign against Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) is something worthy of criticism for its hypocritically inaccurate basis.

    I’d be surprised if any of the regularly featured Russocentric contributors at Unz (who’re by no means the only quality sources of that type around) will find much, if any disagreement with these observations.

    • Agree: Felix Krull
    • Replies: @Herald
  225. Anon[223] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    Utu,
    I won’t deny the harmful nature of the plaza accord, but China’s growth has gone from 14% to 6%. Do you think that Chinese policy has substantially gotten worse over the last ten years?
    My point is that exponential growth just doesn’t remain over time, and countries approaching the frontier of development slow down tremendously.
    China’s savings is amazing, but they are still far from the frontier. Their savings rate will be like the other East Asian nations soon enough, Japan used to have the same high savings rate too, now it is just 2%.
    US is actually an outlier in high savings among developed economies.

    The point I had about Ron’s graph is that it was misleading. If you use the same base of comparison between China and the US, the US is shown to grow *much* faster than China. Using two different bases allows China to look really good and the US really bad. but it is misleading. If you did the same thing with Singapore, you would find the exact same divergence. But, I really doubt that anyone thinks that Singapore is less successful than China.

    Another example is that Kenya grew its per capita GDP by 700% and America 100%, but Kenya added 5k in per capita GDP and the US added 30k in per capita GDP since 1980. Figures can be misleading…

    • Replies: @utu
  226. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @36 ulster

    Unz.com seems to be less a blog than an online asylum; Ron and most of the KrazyKommentariat have really flipped their tinfoil Trilbys this time.

    And anudda’ hasbara agent outs him/herself.

    When your Kosher Komrades couldn’t fool us with their psychotic rantings that all ME problems are either the Palestinian or Syrian or Iranians fault and that Israel truly does have the world’s most moral army, they send in the junior varsity to impugn our sensibilites by claiming we should all be wearing tin foil hats.

    The gig is up Komrade, all your lies, from the phony holocaust, to the Israeli masterminded 9/11 false flag, to the lies about ISIS, to lies about those TBTF Wall Street gangster banks to the Covid hysteria are being uncovered, so better get those Bill Gates, Israeli made RFID chip vaccines on the double, so you can have excellent crowd control and no one will ever doubt your lies and BS again.

  227. Anonymous[291] • Disclaimer says:

    If this was bio-warfare, it was probably globalist agents within the US, the kind of people who were tracking the 9/11 terrorists and knew what was up but didn’t inform US agencies about the knowledge they had. If anything, they secretly guided the terrorists. It was like sweeping-a-rock in the sport of curling. The idiot Muslim terrorists were ‘swept’ or ‘curled’ real good.

    As venal as Trump is, I can’t imagine him cooking up something this crazy. If anything, his slowness to react suggests he had no idea what was up. Same for men like Boris Johnson.

    For the rogue globalists, it was killing two birds with one stone. Smear China(ally of Russia and backer of Iran) around the world and use the crisis as excuse for levying financial burdens on it — like in the Age of Empire when any move on the part of Chinese to gain independence was countered with financial burdens — AND also to exploit the crisis to destroy Trump’s economy and shut down anti-government protests around the world.

    Entire nations were sanctioned by the US. And now, the chicken have come home to roost. This globalist power that used the US to sanction other nations decided to sanction the US itself to choke out Trump.

  228. annamaria says:
    @The Real and Original David

    Have you cheerleaded for sending other peoples’ children to fight the Wars for Israel in the Middle East?
    Still believing the Cheneys and Obamas and their fledglings in the US government?
    Not wise.

  229. jo6pac says:

    Yes, sadly Amerikas govt. is that sinisor and they really don’t care how many Amerikans and other citizens of the world they kill. It’s all about being the biggest bullie on the planet.

    Thanks UNZ for waking up;-)

  230. @Felix Culpa

    So if the Chinese authorities were so “wise” to let herd immunity develop naturally, why were they so “unwise” to organize a mass lockdown after that ? That cost their economy trillions.

    • Replies: @Felix Culpa
  231. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @ploni almoni

    Is Canspeccy a low grade government agit prop agent or what?

    Yes, that’s right. I get five bucks a comment from the CIA, which I think is lousy pay and I’m demanding more. Otherwise, I’ll just express my own opinion and crush idiots like you, fony alimoni, with real arguments.

    • Replies: @GeeBee
  232. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @swamped

    President Trump now faces the daunting dilemma of how to protect the society while at the same time not displaying the same disdain for political & civic freedom that is the hallmark of the CCP. An end to America Empire would be a good thing – the President knows that, as he again reiterated the trillions misspent in the M.E. at his daily press conference today – but this isn’t the way to do it. Only a Chinese communist or fellow traveler could believe that.

    In other words, American Empire should end but can’t because China Bad. It’s the same/lame old song.

    Btw, free speech is pretty much dead in Canada and EU. And Europeans can be fined or jailed for merely saying their nation belongs to them. See what happens to a Frenchman who says France belongs to the real French, not to Africans, Asians, and Muslims. Germans had no say in Merkel’s welcoming of invasion. And UK is a perfect demonstration of Anarcho-Tyranny. And whatever one thinks of Charlottesville, it was a case of the state violating Constitutional principles and, worse, prosecuting its attendees who were the wronged. While US is far freer than China as yet, it’s moving increasingly toward Canadian levels of globalist control.

    Now, China is no ideal society, but what should we care what happens IN China? China is not invading other nations or sanctioning them. If it is sanctioning some, it is under pressure from the US, especially the Jewish Lobby.

    But worst of all, US keeps projecting its own hegemonism on other nations. It moves up to Russia’s doorstep and then accuses Russia of aggression. It has naval bases all around China but then accuses China of expansionism. China wants to regain control of the territories around itself, just like the US has no foreign navies encircling it. The problem is the imperialist legacy that allowed the West, lastly the US, to gain hold of Asian Pacific with naval bases in its satellite nations like Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and others.
    Chinese policy is to ensure national security by gaining control of seas around China. US policy is to maintain imperial hegemony by planting US military bases as trip-wires in Asia, Middle East, and Europe. In 25 years, it will be 100th anniversary of the end of World War II, but US military still occupies much of Europe and Asia. And it set up bases all over Middle East to boot. And it threatens to topple regimes in Latin America, esp Venezuela. At least during the Cold War, there was the communist threat as half-rational excuse. Now, it’s pure gangsterism and tribal chauvinism of Jewish globalists.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
  233. DB Cooper says:

    Don’t know what to say about this article but the map of the PRC is fucking ugly. Looks like a bit chunk (Mongolia) has been bitten off from the top and a smaller chunk (South Tibet) has been bitten off from the bottom.

  234. geokat62 says:

    For many weeks President Trump and his political allies had regularly dismissed or minimized this terrible health threat, and suddenly now faced with such a manifest disaster, they have naturally begun seeking other culprits to blame.

    The obvious choice is China…

    No, the obvious choice is the Imperial College London study:

    [MORE]

    The report was the key factor that triggered the U.K. and U.S. governments to suddenly shift from a comparatively relaxed position on the virus to draconian community mitigation measures. The New York Times reported that Ferguson has shared his projections with the White House task force and sent a copy of the report days prior.

    The Times also reported that “with ties to the World Health Organization and a team of 50 scientists, led by a prominent epidemiologist, Neil Ferguson, Imperial is treated as a sort of gold standard, its mathematical models feeding directly into government policies.”

    In a Twitter thread Thursday morning, author and former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson wrote:

    “Essentially, what has happened is that estimates of the viruses transmissibility have increased – which implies that many more people have already gotten it than we realize – which in turn implies it is less dangerous,” he said, before adding: “Not surprisingly, this testimony has received no attention in the US – I found it only in UK papers. Team Apocalypse is not interested.”

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/scientist-predicted-500k-deaths-now-says-20k

    As for this remark:

    … but they are now found in the respectable pages of my morning New York Times and Wall Street Journal.

    … respectable? Surely, you jest?

    • Thanks: Twodees Partain
  235. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    Peter Lee seems to be for China what Fred Reed is for Mexico. Nary a fowl thought. Pravda indeed. It’s intentional.

  236. @Donald A Thomson

    The aping is over. Las Vegas, of all places, and Atlanta, and who knows where else, are opening up, thanks to wonderful astro-turfing demonstrators for freedom. Sort of like the demonstrators for freedom in HongKong. Zombie Monsters.

  237. @Chet Roman

    This PhD pathologist has a real serious takedown of the Stanford study.

    That study is so bad as to be nearly fraudulent. The rapid test used had been tested in Denmark and was the worst test out of nine and had a specificity rating in the 80’s. The authors did not know the specificity rating of the test and made the assumption that if it was below 97% their results would be invalid. So the results are worthless by their own admissions.

    It gets worse. It sounds like they recruited people on facebook who had symptoms and wanted testing but could not get tested at the time. Hardly a random sample.

    And then one author of the paper wrote an article in the Wall Street Journal never disclosing that he was an author on the paper and then he linked to another Wall Street Journal article about NBA players catching Corona that was written by other authors of this paper. None of this was disclosed.

    I never in a million years would have expected this from Stanford or Ioannidis

    They should have taken this down.

    • Agree: utu, Agent76
    • Disagree: Tsar Nicholas
    • Replies: @Tsar Nicholas
  238. Tesw says:

    Blowback from Talmudic hell Israel. They got China, Iran and Italy, the rest are nothing to them. Just goyim cattle.

  239. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Not many people knew about the depleted uranium, but anyone could see, and should have seen, that it was a blatant act of aggression.

  240. Tesw says:

    Talmudism is a mental illness. Never ends well.

  241. Poco says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    A lot of alt-right types gravitated to this site because Unz publishes articles that contradict or malign the msm. At the same time Unz has minimal censorship of comments. I never thought that Unz himself was alt-right though.

  242. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @36 ulster

    You wonder why Pat Buchanan, Steve Sailer and Bertie Woostershire continue to post on this site. And, yes, why I bother to comment.

    Because lunacy is simply fascinating.

    Who could resist coming back time and again to see what very important insights Ron Unz has just gained through a very personal process of rooting through very old magazines, including his very own UR, all reported in very exciting prose, of very great and, indeed, almost unendurable length.

    • Replies: @Ilya G Poimandres
  243. Art says:

    I do not believe in the JFK or RFK government assassination stories. I absolutely do not believe in the 9/11 government story.

    With that said, I do not believe, that either the Chinese or US governments, with forethought and malice, purposely started the CV pandemic.

    Maybe rogue elements did it — but, Xi or Trump did not sign off on doing so.

  244. I don’t doubt the American elite are criminally insane. They are excellent cheaters, and very inbred. Where I disagree is financially we are already one world order. With many of the elite getting old its time to for them to complete daddy’s master plan to go all governance. This really is the one percents biological salvo over the 99 percent. China just might be complicit in this scheme so as to get their next “dynasty. The Wuhan lab in question was accepting US funding. Maybe they were generously rewarded for their oops moment? Killing off some of us little people doesn’t seem to be a problem for any government anywhere.

  245. utu says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Coronavirus epidemic brings up all kinds of eccentrics, kooks and especially anti-vaxxers out of the woodwork seeking their 5 minutes of attention. Checking if they are selling some elixir or snake oil is always prudent.

    That Dr Andrew Kaufman (who btw is a psychiatrist) seems to questions whether viruses even exist and that it never was proven to his satisfaction that viruses can cause diseases.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/biology/comments/g1uhxi/dr_andrew_kaufman_says_that_viruses_are_not/
    The doctor Andrew Kaufman says you can ‘ t catch a virus , the viruses we’re told about in school don’t really exist , viruses are produced inside of cells to combat toxins and the PCR tests in so-called coronavirus patients are just testing for exosomes produced by cells under stress from toxins .

    In Germany Dr Stefan Lanka who also does not believe in viruses and even won a court case or something.
    The David Bardens vs. Stefan Lanka law suit
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bardens

  246. What hex did kabbalists put on you after you published that Toaff/Simon of Trent article, Ron? Since then your writing has been marked by clear signs of cognitive decline and/or mental illness, and you’ve flooded this website with idiot columnists posting dime store Russian and Chinese propaganda. It’s as though you were lobotomized and replaced with a very stupid guy whose task is to discredit this website by associating it with the most infantile and hare-brained ideas. This article is par for the course: you saddle the US imperium with the simpleminded plot of a G.I. Joe villain. Yes, the US totally unleashed bioweapons on China without ever considering that the virus could make it back here. That makes a ton of sense. And the US would totally do that after *decades* of propping up China’s “peaceful rise.”

    I suggest converting to Roman Catholicism and hoping that the power of Jesus lifts this curse from you. I am legitimately serious about this. I really think something has happened to you, and you need help from God.

  247. Would the American biowarfare labs, quite aware of America’s unpreparedness for an epidemic, have loosed in China a virus which they would have known would quickly reach the US with the heavy China-US air trafic well known? Steve Hatfill, at the time of the anthrax scare a friend of minewas then at Ft. Detrick and told me at length about his concern with unreadiness and of his discussions with colleagues on the topic. Such an attack on China would make sense only if the US population were known to be immune. Which, it seems, it isn’t.

  248. utu says:
    @Anon

    Obviously exponential growth is not sustainable. Strawman.

    “US is actually an outlier in high savings among developed economies.” – I do not know were are you getting it form. Do you know how to read graphs? Luxembourg, Switzerland, Sweden have saving rates 3 time higher than US. China (25%) has 5 times higher saving rate than the US (5%).

    • Replies: @Anon
  249. @CanSpeccy

    Want twitter, need twitter, troll not-twitter.

  250. @Frederick V. Reed

    *assuming the decision makers give any fuck for the prolls. Not that Nero was in Rome to watch Rome burn, but as a bad joke – like Nero watching Rome burn!

  251. Herald says:
    @Ozymandias

    Your limited selection of quotes, seems to be a cheap shot to try and turn the author’s own words against the main thrust of his article.

    Nice try that might just be worthy of a pay rise, if you were a lowly paid troll, but not really good enough for the Unz Review.

  252. @onebornfree

    They probably offered the wanker a china doll a la Zuckerberg …

  253. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @MLK

    Yes stop reading Don’t tax your memory and never tax your intelligence .

    Trump has repeatedly ignored or misrepresentation the facts which started slowly escaping after mid Nov 2019 .

    He would have continued to gloat over the firing of this navy captain Then the sob realized that the entire ship was giving this guy a sad but validating and warm send off – a hero’s departure that only a honest sincere leader could ever expect . So this shit head fired his underlings and reinstated the guy.

    This is the shit head who honors a dirty killer who rampaged in his tour to Afghanistan and this same dirt bag sent a man to jail for questionable charge of desertion .

  254. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:

    The facts of Tiananmen have been known for a long time. When Clinton visited the square this June, both The Washington Post and The New York Times explained that no one died there during the 1989 crackdown. But these were short explanations at the end of long articles. I doubt that they did much to kill the myth.

    Not only has the error made the American press’s frequent pleas for the truth about Tiananmen seem shallow, but it has allowed the bloody-minded regime responsible for the June 4 murders to divert attention from what happened.” CJR
    What happened on 4th June?

  255. Nearly 30,000 Americans have died from the coronavirus during the last two weeks, and by some estimates this is a substantial under-count

    The article is 7,500 words and I’ve only skimmed it. With all respect due Mr. Unz, how does one make references to a “substantial under-count” and never provide any basis for that statement. I believe pretty much any death, including car accidents and death via a wood chipper are being attributed to COVID.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  256. SafeNow says:

    Regarding why blowback considerations did not prevail, one must take account of “The Abilene Paradox.” This is a psychological mechanism of group decision-making, taught in business schools, in which a group takes preposterous action that no member of the group individually favors.

    • Replies: @tomo
  257. Herald says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    At least your jackassery has a bit of style.

  258. ken19 says:

    I highly doubt 37,000 Americans died OF the virus as every death they can muster is tacked on to CV19 without any proof, a virus they still have not proven exists other then them saying so.

    The virus did NOT cause the lost 22 million jobs,,, so far. The ‘crisis’ was/is caused by politicians that have zero authority to do what they’re doing. I don’t care if it is the Bubonic Plague. They can advise but they have no authority to close private businesses and/or imprison citizens. Telling you to stay home and arresting you for leaving without authorization is prison. Saying what you can or cannot buy is prison. Saying you are non essential is prison. Every person in the used to be economy is essential.
    Well that was America 1.0. We have now upgraded to 2.0 where Americans play the new game, Tyranny for Dollars. And they done it voluntarily.

    They’ll trade Freedom for Free stuff but then comes the payback…. America,,, you will regret this dearly. Remember this post.

  259. GeeBee says:
    @CanSpeccy

    The CIA you say? I rather doubt it. A quick look at your comments history reveals 4,369 comments. That’s pretty much a full-time job I’d say. And judging by the content, I can only say that I Spy, With my Little Eye, Something beginning with ‘J’…

  260. utu says:
    @Felix Culpa

    Wittkowski is an incorrigible attention craving buffoon.

    [MORE]

    https://nypost.com/2020/03/28/new-yorkers-are-throwing-corona-potlucks-and-visiting-speakeasies/
    Dr. Knut M. Wittkowski, the former chief biostatistician and epidemiologist at Rockefeller University Hospital, told The Post he was not practicing social distancing and said he regularly goes to one of two illicit restaurants secretly operating in his Upper East Side neighborhood.

    “This is a flu and this will end like every other flu did before for the last thousand years.”

    “All respiratory epidemics end when 80 percent of all people have become immune,”

    https://www.theindependent.com/opinion/letters/herd-immunity-argument-is-faulty/article_a0011b76-7f4d-11ea-989a-934aea08ef6b.html
    Dr. Wittkowski’s modelling predicted that COVID-19 would cause less than 10,000 deaths in the U.S. As of this writing, deaths exceed 22,000. Much of his argument is based on the idea that the economic costs of social distancing aren’t worth it if only 10,000 Americans are going to die anyway.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/kaiser-permanente-data-on-hospitalizations/#comment-3846466
    It is unfortunate that Knut Wittkowski, who got a significant following among the skeptic-hoaxer-just-a-flu crowd by providing them with cogent talking points to their liking perpetuates the same mistake. Wittkowski knows better, yet he does not rectify this error.

    • Replies: @Felix Culpa
  261. @Jake

    There never was any need to bomb Christian Serbia … it was all a Jewish project to look good in the eyes of Muslims (their natural, pig-hating partners) and to deflect from the Palestinian situation. And unfortunately for the Serbians, the criminal Clintons were all too willing for thirty pieces of silver to do the dirty deed … Chinese embassy bombing was incidental at best.

  262. anon[287] • Disclaimer says:
    @denk

    Another problem with your imagination

    The OP here, Mr. Unz, was using his “imagination” to come up with “two possible” scenarios.

    Mr. Unz has been corrected by pointing out yet another “possible” scenario that fits.

    Your CON theory reeks of the classic western projection..

    No, actually, it points out the incompetence of US intelligence services, assumes that Chinese are actually smart people and can stick it to the West too, and finally the lack of “imagination” of various propaganda organs, who want to “herd” us into a ‘selection’ of acceptable narratives.

    • Replies: @denk
  263. gay troll says:
    @Otto von Komsmark

    SARS-CoV-2, with a genetic sequence 80% identical to the CDC’s patented SARS virus, appears to have leaked from BSL labs at Ft. Detrick last summer, leading the CDC to shut down the labs for months. Details are classified, but the government admits that an infectious agent or toxin breached their new steam decontamination system.

    Shortly thereafter, CDC announced a novel pneumonia epidemic called EVALI. They said it was not contagious, despite causing immune responses such as fever and diarrhea. They said it could not be tested for. They said it was “linked” with vaping but never provided a solid conclusion or any scientific evidence.

    The symptoms of EVALI and COVID19 are literally identical. EVALI “peaked” in September before reaching over 2500 cases and 50 deaths. It has since disappeared.

    Event 201 simulated a global pandemic of a highly infectious SARS variant the same day the Military World Games began in Wuhan. The first case of SARS-CoV-2 appeared in Wuhan a few weeks later.

  264. sarz says:
    @Anonymous

    Unz is not saying that he still believes that, he’s just getting on record what he believed then. His rhetorical strategy, which is quite effective in winning people over to his point of view, is to share unexpected knowledge that has won him over.

  265. @9/11 Inside job

    The only problem with the Coronavirus psyop is that genetics now tell us there are three strains of virus and that screws up everybody’s notions of what happened because everyone has been thinking there was only one strain.

    Now that genticists tell us there are at least three due to mutations, it screws up everyone’s analysis. The primary strain in Wuhan is strain B not the original strain A. So that screws up the Wuhan lab did it theory, it screws up the wet market theory and it screws up the military games theory.

    The genetics shows that the original strain A developed in Southern China where all the bats are. Somehow the original strain A is more predominant in Europe and America than it is in China.

    Of course governments are free to disregard science and come up with their own bullshit claims because the people are too dumb to know the difference and the scientific community always shuts up.

  266. tomo says:

    “…one very embarrassing mishap. The use of old maps had led to a targeting error that caused one of our smart bombs to accidentally strike the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade”

    I am from Serbia and I suspect they probably targeted that embassy on purpose.
    Even if we assume it was a ‘mistake’ – that building used to be one of the main hotels in Belgrade as far as I remember. Hotel Yugoslavia.
    Why would anyone target a hotel? What kind of a mistake would that be?
    They tried to ‘prevent’ a massacre – but thanks to what they did in Kosovo- Serbs were basically kicked out and Serbian churches that have been built 1000 years or so ago were mostly destroyed and deliberately so by Albanians.
    I was told by Albanian friends from Kosovo that they have become a drug-smuggling HQ of Europe (thanks to America and it’s heroin operations in Afghanistan).
    I’ve never been to Kosovo and I met a few Kosovo Albanians in military and I liked them and got on well with them.
    I would not assume Americans wanted to hit a hotel instead of a Chinese Embassy

  267. @ken19

    You can doubt all you want. A lot of people doubted Sandy Hook. They were proved wrong.

  268. Everyone knows that America’s ruling elites are criminal, crazy, and also extremely incompetent.

    While this is generally true, there are nuances. There are two aspects of biowarfare hypothesis, and we should consider them separately.

    One, some claim that this virus was engineered. This claim appears preposterous for several reasons. Coronaviruses are among the RNA viruses with the largest genome (about 30 thousand bases) that encodes an unusual (for a virus) number of proteins, about 30. If anyone wanted to engineer weapons-grade virus, coronaviruses would be very unlikely candidates. There are lots of smaller, simpler, and much more deadly viruses to choose from. One advantage that coronaviruses have over other kinds is that they specifically suppress our immune response. That’s why we have flu every year and common cold every season, often more than once per year. Several of coronavirus proteins are specifically tasked with suppressing our immune system, but that aspect of coronavirus biology is the murkiest and the least studied. Thus, engineering something of coronavirus complexity is more than modern science can accomplish. Plus, really creative and talented scientists have scruples. So, war criminals would have to use a lesser kind, which is even less capable of such a scientific fit.

    Two, deliberate of accidental release. This is within the realm of possibility. First, a number of natural coronaviruses could have been tested, the variants that infect human cells could have been selected and propagated in cell culture. This can be done by a moderately qualified technician, and you can always find people with limited abilities without any scruples (or even lacking the capacity to understand what they are doing). Bats would be a good source for the initial screen: they have 500-700 known coronaviruses, and estimates suggest that their total might be ~5,000 varieties. In that case the release in Wuhan right when the US team ostensibly participated in military sports competition there would make sense. The release could have been accidental, though: Ft. Detrick biowarfare lab was just closed by CDC for numerous safety violations.

    One of many coronaviruses existing in other mammalian species could have produced a variant capable of infecting humans naturally: coronaviruses jump species all the time. This is the third possibility.

    We likely will never find out whether this virus evolved and jumped species naturally, or was selected and then released, deliberately or accidentally. The obvious thing is, we need to know a lot more about potentially harmful viruses and bacteria, so that next time we are not caught with our pants down. A lot more scientific research is required for that, and this means a lot more funding for biomedical science. Let me remind you that the last time the US was attacked militarily happened on December 7, 1941 (Pearl Harbor). This was almost 80 years ago. Yet our country allocated in fiscal 2020 $738 billion to Pentagon to counter non-existent threats, and $41.46 billion (less than 6% of the Pentagon budget) to NIH to counter threats that actually exist. As long as this madness continues, we are wide open to any biological threat and powerless to fight it.

  269. Anon[507] • Disclaimer says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    is so ludicrous as to defy rationality

    It’s been no longer possible to discuss, in the comments and with the columnists, starting with the site’s leadership, or read, about China objectively on this site for a while. If you told me that you noticed it here first, that would be slightly ludicrous, and maybe rationality-defying.

    Look at the full half of the glass: on nigh 100% of ezines, magazines, TV channels, radio stations, blogs, no issue of any momentum can be discussed/read with objectivity, with hosts, columnists and commenters as well; here that is possible with a number of columnists and about a number of issues, both numbers having gone down for quite some time now.
    It’s already something.

  270. @ken19

    That’s right. And remember, this was the entire purpose of the alt-right: not to deprogram people from liberalism, but to reprogram them for whatever comes next. And it ain’t gonna be pretty, that’s for sure.

  271. FB says: • Website
    @Godfree Roberts

    Thanks for that insightful information…

    This is why China is doing so well, precisely because the government is so involved on matters of the entire spectrum of nurturing a society…

    This requires literally an army of capable technocrats that literally oversee the smooth functioning of a vast country…with a very simple objective…to improve the lives of the people…

    Now some will call that central planning, and it is…but here’s a shocker for the brainwashed dolts that automatically associate that with negative…

    ANY large organization requires meticulous planning…the military for example, which, other than the procurement process which is so corrupt precisely because it is in private hands, runs very well…it’s actually a socialist form of organization…the soldier or sailor is completely looked after…and with limitless opportunities to advance up through the ranks, based only on merit…

    As for the so called capitalist system of the US economy and governance…central planning is key to this system as well…only it is done by the plutocracy and corporatocracy for the benefit of only themselves…

    The entire system is one huge central planning octopus…from the elite gatherings at Davos and the like…to the machinery of finance and big capital…to the media, think tanks etc…and down to every aspect of how our society is run…the laws and regulations that are passed…everything…

    Does that huge machine run itself, without constant planning and directives coming from the top echelons of capitalism inc…?

    That’s simply the height of stupidity…I would say our own elite in fact fields an even bigger army of technocrats working in the trenches…propagandists, lobbyists and all manner of proseletyzers making sure the world is safe and profitable for King Bezos and Wall Street…

    The only difference between the two types of central plannig is that the Chinese socialist version works for the benefit of ordinary folks…

    • Replies: @UK
  272. @Anon

    Additionally, How did China identify the virus so quickly? It is fairly hard to tell, even from those who died. According your own article, China shut down when they had 11 deaths, and sequenced the genome when they had even less. That has never happened before, and I feel that is suspicious to me. The offical Chinese narrative is that the Wuhan Goverment dropped the ball, so how did they catch the disease so early?

    This is how:
    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2004/10/sensor-detects-identifies-single-viruses/
    And that is why the good Prof Lieber had to be “Assanged”.

    and, I get your point about immigrants & blacks (you can add “indigenous” to that list of terminally poor) but their difficulties in accumulating savings, the “time preference” you say they lack, is Not due to choice but lack of choices.

  273. @obwandiyag

    And now that it has been proven that there are three strains and Strain B is the Wuhan strain and the original strain A came from Southern China where the bats are, it kinda screws up the Wuhan Lab theory, the Wuhan market theory and the military games theory.

    Not that the governments will give a shit about science that does not fit the theories.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    , @Herald
  274. Tor597 says:
    @Frederick V. Reed

    Not only does it make sense to release this into China fully knowing that America is vulnerable, it is actually a prerequisite for a successful American operation.

    If American was not gravely hurt by Corona Virus there would be only mild interest in taking on China militarily or economically.

    Also, the elites in America aren’t harmed at all. They will in fact come out ahead of this since they were bailed out. The stock market was a bubble anyways, but now instead of collapsing and taking the hit they get to blame Corona Virus and get bailed out.

    • Agree: antitermite
  275. @davidgmillsatty

    How were they proved wrong? Is it as simple as A, B, C?

  276. tomo says:
    @SafeNow

    add to this that most CEOs don’t really have a clue about what is going on because on every layer of information being passed up, a layer of lies and sugar – coating is added because most employees have learned that bearing bad news can cost them dearly
    I read this I think in one of Tom De Marco’s books on business.

    Plus most of these CEO s got jobs through contacts not because they deserve them

  277. Tor597 says:

    Here Lord Rees, her Majestys Royal Astronomer who is a Mason, predicted a million deaths in a 6 month period no later than Dec 2030.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/corona-wars

    Here the UK had their own simulation predicting a pandemic from China called Cygnus.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/02/labour-urges-government-publish-findings-2016-pandemic-drill

    Why are all the Anglo countries running so many simulations on what actually happened but failing spectacularly?

    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
  278. FB says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Sounds like a veiled threat to journalist Ron Unz…

    Coming from some greaseball who decides to post anonymously…

    But leaving aside matters of international law like bombing an embassy…to say nothing of the illegal bombing campaign itself, which constitutes nothing less than a crime against peace, the most grave war crime of all under the Nuremberg standard…

    Leaving all that aside, your sputtering seems mostly peeved about the downing of the ‘stealth’ F117 by little Serbia…

    [And just for emphasis the Serbs knocked out a Second F117, which managed to stagger back to Aviano but was scrapped and never flew again…see Colonel Everest Riccioni…]

    In the definitive analysis of the FAILURE of the bombing campaign, writing in the flagship USAF professional journal Aerospace Power, Dr Benjamin Lambeth aptly compares the F117 downing to the national shock of 9-11..

    So sorry that the Serbs managed to bring down the national pride of the US with a well placed missile shot [or at least that of puff pastries like yourself…who now have to resort to spittle-laced, impotent threats on a bulletin board…]

    BTW…I’m sure Mr Unz is quaking in his boots…LOL

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @mike99588
  279. Agent76 says:

    Apr 20, 2020 Respiratory Doctor Blows Whistle on FAKE VIRUS PANDEMIC

    Respiratory Doctor Blows Whistle on FAKE VIRUS.

    [MORE]

  280. UK says:

    Japan is showing high competence here. This virus will pass through the population. Everyone who is informed knows it. It is just important that there is adequate medical care for the very small proportion who will get very sick, and when there is space in the medical care system, the infection can be allowed to spread a bit faster.

    Not that most masks make any difference, I wore one on the first five minutes of a plane ride the other day and was dismayed to discover that the mask provides so much resistance to airflow that when you breath it rushes, funneled with greater force, in and out of the sides – and onto your neighbours. I took it off because that was dumb.

    Reasons for medical care being needed: a lot of people will need medical treatment for things aside from respiratory support, eg because it is causing huge numbers diabetic emergencies and emergencies due to new insulin resistance in non-diabetics and they are needing careful insulting, fluid titration and electrolyte management in hospital, kidney failure needing dialysis, circulatory failure needing invasive monitoring and medicines to make the heart beat stronger or the blood vessels tighten, high numbers of significant clots that may be lethal if not picked up and managed early- essentially things due to overwhelming insult plus some likely more due to idiosyncrasies of the virus.

    Meanwhile, the heavy-handed and paranoid – will not accept failure – Chinese approach is not the competent one. Management that can’t accept failure in its subordinates always incentivises the wrong things. It is toxic. This will all come out in time. Spaz-nerd internet autists won’t get it until the picture is very clear.

    Essentially the problem so far has been two-fold:

    1. China was the worst country for the initial outbreak. They covered it up, exported it to the rest of the world while scolding us for anti-Chinese racism and then set a spaz-nerd example of how to deal with it.

    2. Our governments, hindered by the Chinese example, and with our own public hysteria problem, could neither admit to the nuanced and complicated long-term solution that would accept limitations and deaths nor shake off the incentives to individual victim-hood that we’ve been laying down with all of this politically correct shit for the last few decades. Thus everyone and every institution is constantly pushed to be a victim and to exaggerate the problem while being given permission by the incredibly short-sighted and unsophisticated Chinese example.

    In other words, an alliance between spaz-nerds and weepy hystericals has pointlessly imprisoned us in our homes for months because they are following a corrupt, autocratic and incompetent Chinese regime that has managed to “miraculously” take one of the highest IQ populations in the world and give them a living standard that sits below Peru, Thailand, Brazil and Colombia.

    So sad, so predictable.

    • Replies: @Jaylonw
  281. @utu

    The mighty utu’s case against epidemiologist Wittkowski: It’s all accusatory inversion.

    1. utu projects his inability to correct Wittkowski onto Wittkowski by merely labelling him “incorrigible”

    2. The New York Post quotes Wittkowski as though his statements were self-refuting; thus projecting onto him their inability to refute his conclusion.

    3. The Independent projects their reliance on faulty models, like BMGF -sponsored Imperial College Models onto Wittkowski’s. Let the evidence show that the number of fatalities Wittkowski predicts ( on the order of an average flu season) were correct.
    And Wittkowski has the nerve to care about people (the unemployed) the media owners at places like The Independent are not interested in using right now ( the sick and elderly)

    4. utu can point to comments endorsing the spin he is selling.

    Waiting for evidence Wittkowski’s conclusion is scientifically wrong, not politically incorrect…

    • Replies: @Hail
  282. SafeNow says:

    “$41.46 billion (less than 6% of the Pentagon budget) to NIH to counter threats that actually exist. As long as this madness continues, we are wide open to any biological threat and powerless to fight it.”

    Only $150 million annual budget last year for finding large, dangerous asteroids. A 2005 law said, find 90% by 2020. Well, as of last year, we had found 40%. Pandemics, asteroids, and accidental nuclear detonations. Protect the people. That’s why you’re here.

    Admiral Nimitz, completing his review of the tragic ”Halsey hurricane”: It is dangerous to be grudging about safety precautions for fear that the precautions might turn out to have been unnecessary.

  283. I’ve read only a part of the article, but this:

    Such government action against an academic seemed almost without precedent. During the height of the Cold War, numerous American scientists and technicians were rightfully accused of having stolen our nuclear weapons secrets for delivery to Stalin, yet I had never heard of any of them treated in so harsh a manner, let alone a scholar of Prof. Lieber’s stature, who was merely charged with technical disclosure violations. Indeed, this incident recalled accounts of NKVD raids during the Soviet purges of the 1930s.

    is completely true.

  284. Jett Rucker says: • Website

    we have seen to our dismay how a major outbreak can so easily wreck our entire economic life

    Not so fast there, Ron. Let me sharpen this remark up a little bit:

    we have seen to our dismay how the governmental responses to a major outbreak can so easily wreck our entire economic life.

  285. Pft says:

    China did it. US did it. Israel did it. Lol

    When are people going to realize the elites in every country are now united and make up a Shadow Global Government. They are global elites. The concept of nation has no meaning to them except as a useful tool to keep populations in their bordered pen (except for some controlled illegal immigration to divide the national populations). The conflicts between nations (and political parties) are fake wrestling for the most part (real only for the non-elites). The purpose is to disguise the fact they are executing a war on the bottom 90% using 9.9% of the population to unknowingly do their dirty work (duped into thinking they are doing good or financial incentives). The reason for the war is population control/reduction and full spectrum dominance over the people they rule.

    Anyways, carry on.

  286. COVID=Certificate of vaccination ID
    For more information see “NWO has arrived” dollarvigilante.com by Jeff Berwick
    Are you ready for your vaccination and the “mark of the beast” ?

  287. Anonymous[625] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thulean Friend

    I’ve been seeing the consequences play out even in neutral places. I frequent quite a few technology-related subreddits and the unmitigated hatred of China is truly a sight to be hold. Even the most tangential topics get hijacked by zealots.

    Reddit is far from neutral. They had managed quarantine or outright remove all “hateful” subreddits years ago. As you can see, this doesn’t apply to hatred against China, Russia or the white race. That’s encouraged.

    The place couldn’t be less neutral if Soros himself were at the helm.

  288. FLASH: Stanford study shows that the number of CCP virus infections is 35 TIMES GREATER than earlier suspected.

    This means that the the virus has already been here for quite some time and is much less lethal than what was previously supposed. (off by a factor of 38). So it is more deadly than the flu, but not enough to have imposed a retarded lockdown. (Corbet Report has already done a piece showing the fakery of CCP virus statistics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1trzdmwR2M)

    The flattening of the curve would have happened anyway, but herd immunity will not be achieved unless a lockdown is swiftly ended.

    This “pandemic” is a media created monster. Cui bono? Neocons wanted to smash the economy to make Trump look bad. Ghouls like Gates wanted to impose tyranny and vaccine regimes. The Fed wanted to steal more money. China and France stopped all the protests.

  289. @FB

    To add insult to injury: Serbs used ancient Soviet C-75 anti-aircraft system. As they said, “sorry, we didn’t know that it’s invisible”.

    • Replies: @FB
  290. The fact that the virus looks so natural, that almost none of the experts think that it was a manufactured virus does not prove that “it did not come out of a lab”. The CIA is known to have been collecting bat and other wild viruses assiduously for years. There are known to be hundreds, perhaps thousands of corona viruses living in bats. Maybe they just got lucky and found the ideal virus for the job?
    Also, I was surprised that Ron Unz did not mention the detail that some of the soldiers in the American team were hospitalized in Wuhan with “high fevers” and were flown back to the USA before the others.
    There is also the curious detail of the team avoiding all photos and scoring 35th in the overall rankings. Pretty poor for the”finest Army the World has ever seen”.
    https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2019/October/18/CISM-World-Games-advance
    Note how tactful the Chinese were here!
    http://www.china.org.cn/world/Off_the_Wire/2019-10/27/content_75345072.htm
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Military_World_Games
    Scroll down to the medals table, near the bottom.

  291. I hope Ron comes to his senses. The catastrophe is the response to something that is increasingly being shown to be only as deadly as the seasonal flu.

    Which is not to say the flu isn’t deadly, but we don’t shut down the planet every flu season.

    • Disagree: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  292. Hempus says:

    This is a HIV 2.0 scam
    Where is the correlation that SARS COVID-2 causes any concret disease?
    Probably this virus is just a marker but not the cause.

    There are many very old people with health preconditions waiting for the death in nursing homes and many very old people with severe health preconditions in hospitals…just waiting that someone tells them: oh too bad, you have a deadly virus in your lungs which might affects your breathing.

    Even younger people often cant deal with such a positive test verdict especially if they have a hypochondric or claustrophobic nature. They start to panic and hyperventilate their lungs.
    But the more important effect is toward the chest / intercostal muscles and the midriff muscles. Panicky people start to hyperventilate …means short and deep breathing, and by a period of that they produce too much static energy which is stressing and soreness those muscles and finally contracts them more and more until they cannot open the lungs anymore.

    This kind of breathlessness is not triggered by a Virus but is shock excited by a permanent overdose of contracting centripetal energy toward the breathing muscles!

    Hello, can anyone please remaind those Doctors and experts, that:
    WE DO NOT OPEN THE LUNGS BY THE LUNGS ITSELF!

    So if those breathing muscles get soreness and inflamed we can call this also a pneumonia.
    But there is also a “ventilator associated pneumonia” which is, sorry, not triggered by a virus but by the respiratory ventilator!

    • Replies: @Alden
  293. Anon[223] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    The OCED has the US savings rate at 8%, which is higher than almost of all of Western Europe, not 5%. If you read the graph in my first comment, then you would know that. China has 3x the savings rate of the US, which is not 5x as you claim. The reason for the lower US savings rate is due to our stronger safety net and our large Black population, which don’t save anything, dragging the number down. Among Whites, the savings rate is surely in the high tens, low twenties. That’s why our mean savings is the highest in the world, and vastly higher than China’s.

    Also, you just stated that Japan’s massive slowdown was due to the Plaza Accord, and not them reaching the technology frontier. That’s why I asked about China’s slowdown, and if was due to policy, since you claimed Japan’s slowdown was due to policy. Japan’s sharp trajectory upward modeled China’s, and if assume that it provides a playbook, then we should assume that China’s exponential growth rates will also collapse.

    After all, Japan went from bombed out to equal level income with the US in 40 years, and China is still far behind that position. So, Japan is an optimistic view of where China could go. Not a strawman

    Frankly, you don’t seem all that bright to me, if you cannot follow a logical flow of a conservation or lead the links people provide.

    Hint: Read the links I provide!

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  294. Jaylonw says:

    Great analysis as usual. One obvious mistake in the article unrelated to the virus, you have the date for TAM incident wrong, its June 4, not June 6.

    • Thanks: Ron Unz
  295. Will says:
    @anon

    Giraldi is pretty much the only one on this entire website not pushing propaganda. Unz is another propaganda pusher. And, even Paul Craig Roberts is now pushing COVID fear porn.

    • Agree: Tsar Nicholas
  296. FB says: • Website
    @AnonFromTN

    Thanks…

    I was hoping you would weigh in on the technical aspects of the virus…you’re probably the only guy here actually qualified to give some meaningful insights…

    Let me see if I understood what you’re saying..

    In the case of simply harvesting various corona strains from the wild, and figuring out in the lab which ones might be a candidate for a targeted release, does this work possibly involve selectively ‘breeding’ them in Petri dishes…in order to speed up evolution, much as so called plant hybrids were developed for many years before the modern gene editing techniques came along…?

    Would not this type of approach be more nefarious in terms of covering one’s tracks…and would this type of work be within the ability of second tier researchers that would have lower ethical issues…?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  297. … we have seen to our dismay how a major outbreak can so easily wreck our entire economic life.

    In this case, not the outbreak, rather it was the decisions of policy makers that are wrecking the world economy.

    The major drawback to biological warfare has always been the obvious fact that the self-replicating agents employed will not respect national borders, thus raising the serious risk that the disease might eventually return to the land of its origin and inflict substantial casualties. For this reason, it seems very doubtful that any rational and half-competent American leadership would have unleashed the coronavirus against China.

    One plausible scenario is for a couple strains of varying lethality be developed: The weaker “S” strain, amounting to little more than the common cold is loosed among the people of the attacking country and its allies to foster the beginning of herd immunity, while a far more lethal “L” strain is unleashed against the target country.

    What policy makers of the attacking country might not have counted on is how fast the “L” strain might backscatter into “friendly” territory because they underestimated the commercial travels between the target country and “friendly” countries, to wit Italy signing onto the BRI and a huge influx of Chinese labourers in Northern Italy, who pass it along to the visiting vacationers and business people from London and New York, or where visiting Chinese managers to Chinese-owned companies in “friendly” territory, e.g. Smithfield Foods (bought as a source of “clean” pork), inadvertantly pass it along to the workforce. Meanwhile, the response of China might have seemed so effective that dallying Western leaders had their hands forced because the assumed herd immunity had not had time to take root.

    Und so weiter, und so fort….

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  298. Will says:

    Summary of Unz’ article:

    • Replies: @Trinity
  299. Joe Webb says:

    China is totalitarian, N. Korea is totalitarian, Japan and S. Korea toe the line w/the US, and all the Asian countries are corrupt and anti-democratic.

    If you want to predict behavior, look at the group or race from which an individual comes who happens to wash up on US or European shores. Never mind Arab countries, etc. now.

    About 6 years ago I had motorcycle accident in a local rich man’s town. (Woodside). I went down on loose sand on the pavement. I went to town hall and recruited the town engineer to help me find out who spilled the sand. The engineer was Chinese.. We drove around in his Woodside truck and could not locate a suspect.

    After about an hour, we quit and I thanked him for his help. I went back to the scene of the accident and knocked on the first door that was near. I asked a gal if she knew where the sand came from.

    She said, I can tell you that…it was the town of Woodside during some asphalt repair.

    So (!). I returned to Woodside city hall and told the Chinese engineer that he was a liar. He gave me a form to fill out and I got my money damages.

    Where I live, near Ron Unz, the Chinese are everywhere. local white liberals have complained to me about Chinese…that they lie, cheat and steal.

    Ron Unz is a racial democrat. He believes in immigration and will have nothing to do with racial IQ, etc.

    Take the parsimonious view ….what is the simplest explanation. Race is the simplest explanation.

    Ron goes on and on and on.

    Would the US send over some not too nasty….now…virus with some US soldiers, to plant it on the Chinese ( maybe a wet-market sap..just for a laugh? ) who everybody knew were there? Unz will believe anything that reinforces his race democracy views.

    The Chinese are our Enemy because we are the The Enemy of the Chinese

    P.S. Later by about 3 years, while attending to some business at town hall, Woodside, I walked into the Engineer’s office and inquired if the Chinese guy was still there. Two white engineers told me No. I told them my story and they laughed and laughed. They know.
    Joe Webb

    • Replies: @Miro23
  300. UK says:
    @FB

    Spaz-Nerd nonsense. China has a naturally high IQ population and is in an astonishingly fortunate (though temporary) position as regards its population pyramid and earnings potential. It also doesn’t have so few problems that unlike, say, Sweden, it can import them for fun.

    Yet it has a living standard below 50 years of civil war Colombia.

    The control freaks and the hystericals both love this pandemic…both are half people at best.

  301. Dan Hayes says:
    @threestars

    The MSM falsely portrayed the carnage associated with Tiananmen Square in terms of students protesting for democratic rights whereas the actual casualties arose from workers angling for better living conditions

  302. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @davidgmillsatty

    This summary of the PNAS paper states: Since today’s PNAS study was conducted, the research team has extended its analysis to 1,001 viral genomes.

    While yet to be peer-reviewed, … the latest work suggests that the first infection and spread among humans of COVID-19 occurred between mid-September and early December. Meaning that the first case in China could have preceded the Wuhan military games, which began October 20th.

  303. Herald says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    A came from Southern China where the bats are, it kinda screws up the Wuhan Lab theory, the Wuhan market theory and the military games theory.

    If bats were taken to a lab that was remote from their South China natural environment, it would only screw up the very unlikely Trumped up Wuhan market theory. The other two theories remain possible and of course the lab does not have to be in China.

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  304. tomo says:
    @follyofwar

    I reacted the same way (and posted a comment to clarify the Chinese Embassy story) but I continued reading – and I fully agree – this is similar to how I thought initially and why I stopped believing anything Western MSM says. If in doubt it’s always almost 100% accurate to just assume the opposite is true .
    I am from Serbia but I studied in London at the time and I used to believe all the BS CNN served daily and the BS Nato briefings…it turned out everything they said was pretty much false. As was the story about Srebrenica ‘massacre’ which I also believed, until a decade later when I read an interview with a Canadian NATO commander who was there at the time – he said that the official story was BS and that Bosnians provoked Serbs (they used to get out of their UN protected safe zones at night and burn Serbian villages etc).
    The US/Israel/UK/France/Germany have become like the modern day MORDOR with a comprehensive but collapsing PR machine and a loud megaphone

    • Agree: Miro23, Theophrastus
  305. Geowhizz says:
    @Ozymandias

    One of Ron’s weaker efforts. IMHO.

  306. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tor597

    You have included the symbolic victories of the neocons (US ),real losses of the US . But the retreat of the neoconized USA is also real -retreat from ME . This is more than enough to spell the death of the neocons . China will be eventually rehabilitated despite the canard . Venezuela will find the path out of this and this is enough to educate how dirty US is . Not sure about NK.Next person will be worse .
    Revenge is sweet and cold. It looks quite obvious that Iran has eliminated that mad Ayatollah .
    Neoconized America will have few friends -may be the diehard evangelical and the Indian Hindu extremist abroad and the settler garrison state of Israel .

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  307. @davidgmillsatty

    A lot of people doubted Sandy Hook. They were proved wrong.

    Good point. I doubted Sandy Hook when I witnessed Robbie Parker smiling and laughing in the seconds before his public statement the day after his daughter was shot dead. But then I later learned that parents grieve in different ways and his behavior was really totally normal.

  308. chris says:

    The only thing I don’t get about the bioweapon theory, which otherwise seems relatively probable, is the question of the loyalty of the secret service community to this president.

    Trump surely knows that these agencies are crawling with actively and passively treasonous operators. If you add the active animosity toward him by Democratic-cum-media establishments, he could count on no more than 25% of these people to stay loyal to him.

    I therefore find it very hard to believe he would take such a risk under such circumstances, especially as his legions of enemies would be waiting to compromise his plans at their first opportunity.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  309. tipotoy says:

    I understand the focus.
    I understand the dialoque.
    I also know this is the biggest infofest ever to have taken place.
    This is psy-ops as in PSY-OPS.
    Lurking in the background are our “smartphones”…
    If we do not change our behaviour or we do not come up with an alternative we will be victims of this virus et al.
    We need to change.
    We need to by-pass all our social media, we need to re-create our way of communication.
    If not; we are just sitting ducks…

    • Agree: Polemos
    • Replies: @flashlight joe
  310. You write that the atomic spies were not treated harshly but did you forget that the Rosenbergs were executed?

  311. mcohen says:
    @Anonymous

    Have to agree with the anon ron.Don’t pull the tigers tale ron.

    China targeted Italy because it had competitive industries.First sent in the refugees from africa and the middle East 20-30 years ago then built up Chinese expat communities and now the virus could be the final nail.
    Your problem is you are a typical American who cannot see beyond your borders until they arrive at them.lol

    Ron

    What do you think the Chinese were doing in Belgrade.Making noodles lol.

    https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/2110603175_Zheng-Li_Shi

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323547186_Serological_Evidence_of_Bat_SARS-Related_Coronavirus_Infection_in_Humans_China

    Just go to the site and check the research articles published from 2018.Hundreds of them.
    In any event the earth benefits most.No pollution,the ozone can recover.Thats what counts,the rest is smoke.

    Unless we stop oil we will fry in it.

    How’s that for a catchy meme.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  312. FB says: • Website
    @AnonFromTN

    LOL…yes, the Serbs had some humorous wise cracks about the ‘invisible’ plane…another one was…

    ‘Sori…avion ti gori…’

    Which means ‘sorry, your plane’s on fire’…but with the rhyming…

    It was actually the S125 that was used, which is just as ancient…the S75 is actually a more potent high altitude missile…best known as the U2 killer, having shot down Gary Powers over Russia and Rudolf Anderson over Cuba during the missile crisis…

    A few years later Colonel Zoltan Dani the commander of the 250’th Missile Brigade invited Major Dale Zelko, the F117 pilot back to Serbia…a neat little documentary of that ‘Second Meeting’ on YouTube…

  313. Trinity says:
    @Will

    And yet Ronald Reagan like others before and after him could see the bear but he couldn’t see (((elephant))) in the room. Lush Limbaugh can’t see the elephant nor can Pawn Vanity or even Cucker Carlson, but some myopic 12 year old kid across the world in China or Japan can see the massive beast. All the highly educated gay dudes and metrosexuals over at CNN & MSNBC can’t spot the elephant but a barber in India can see the huge pachyderm. Even good ole Fredo has no clue about the elephant. Some guy shining shoes over in Turkey can spot the elephant from thousands of miles away, but yet educated, successful billionaires like our current President Trump has no idea who runs the show in America and the West. Incredible, huh?

    #chinadidit

    • Agree: Miro23
  314. @Getaclue

    “It’s all about on a Junior High School level but after getting away with 911 Demolition
    anyone not a rube, grifter/or in on it knew they’d be back to finish it off– and so they
    are here with the Plandemic”.

    Precisely! The body of society with compromised immune system, not able to detect or
    react effectively to both dangerous lies (like 9/11 and dozens of lower caliber false-flags)
    and direct physical assaults (like chemtrails and 5g technology) is doomed to get
    something that will “take care” of its immune system once and forever.
    I will not be surprised if they call the upcoming vaccine “No Brainer 216” or “1984 forever”.

  315. anon[736] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    Like I said, it’s a neoliberal zionist-neocon elitist’s wet dream come true, maybe even more than 9/11 was.

    Financial reset, general impoverishment, population control, digital money, mandatory vaccines, yes.

    But there probably is a fight at the top, between the pro-dollar & US empire oligarchy and the pro-world currency/world government oligarchy (based in London). Both neoliberal zionists, but with different priorities.

    And my bet is that the pro-world currency oligarchy will prevail, with the FED losing its power to the IMF/World bank.

  316. @ld

    let me add to your list

    the moon “landing”
    operation northwood
    gulf of Tonkin

  317. Anonymous[625] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pft

    elites in every country are now united

    Nope. If that were the case, we’d be already living in a windowless NWO prison of unimaginable proportions. Healthy scepticism is great when judging different elites but your inability to evaluate how they differ is unhealthy and ultimately debilitating.

  318. Please consider also Events 201 held in NY on the 18th October, the very same day the military games began in Wuhan. And US landing on the 35th place, when wiki wrote 23rd place with one gold medal won by a US female triathlete, when the victory went to a Swiss lady.

    The scenario of Events 201 is most interesting.

    And what about Grimscon Contagion?!

    US were super ready to face an epidemy, weren’t they?

    By the way, a lot of thanks to you, Ron Unz!

    • Replies: @Tor597
  319. @mcohen

    China targeted Italy because it had competitive industries.

    US targeted Italy because they are at one end of the belt and road initiative.

    • Replies: @mcohen
  320. meena says:
    @AriusArmenian

    You sure can . We teach stupidity . Stupidity is well sought after virtue . Next is docile expression of sorrow at the loss of jobs food and lack of supplies or medicines or access to health care .Often find myself listening to the murmurs from the “first time caller “ to NPR or to some right-wing radio channel and always accompanied by some sincere prayers from the radio hosts .

    No anger no hatred just sorrow woe despair and doleful words !

  321. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Check this anon out.

    How dare Ron disagrees with him. How dare other anons disagrees with him. Fucking echo chamber chasers.

    Weakasses who can’t handle anything out of their comfort zone.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  322. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @The Alarmist

    One plausible scenario is for a couple strains of varying lethality be developed: The weaker “S” strain, amounting to little more than the common cold is loosed among the people of the attacking country and its allies to foster the beginning of herd immunity, while a far more lethal “L” strain is unleashed against the target country.

    This idea is debunked by the Cambridge geneological study, which provides a family tree for Covid19, all branches having a common origin.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  323. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @CanSpeccy

    to which I should have added, since the earliest generation of the virus originated in South China, not Wuhan, those American soldiers Ron thinks distributed diseased bats around Wuhan, could not have been responsible for the original outbreak.

  324. @FLgeezer

    That is actually very normal. Exploiting a real crisis is par for the course. Also super effective.
    Just like how the most unsavoury laws got attached to the covid 19 1200$ help bill.

  325. @Si1ver1ock

    Confirmation like that would never see the light of day. As that would sure be the start of WW3.

  326. @FB

    Thousands of labs worldwide grow mammalian cells in culture for various experiments. We do that, and virtually every lab on the floor where we are also does that. It’s no rocket science. Cultured cells grow in sort of Petri dishes, which differ from the ones used for bacteria, as the plastic is treated to allow mammalian cells to attach (very few cell lines grow in suspension, most grow in monolayer attached to the bottom of the dish). Many of the most common cell lines are human in origin: HEK293, HeLa, etc. If you add to a dish of human cells a mix of viruses harvested from bats, some would multiply because they can enter human cells and reproduce in them.

    With most viruses their ability to infect human cells in culture is insufficient, as the living organism has the immune system that cell culture does not. With coronaviruses you don’t have this problem: they can suppress mammalian immune system (the mechanism of this we don’t quite understand).

    Starting from 500-5,000 species, you don’t need to speed up their evolution, just select the ones than can enter human cells (the rest won’t multiply, so you have built-in selection). RNA viruses naturally evolve a lot faster than DNA viruses and the rest of DNA-based life (like us) because they use two mechanisms generating a lot more errors than our standard DNA polymerase that duplicates the genome before every cell division. Most RNA viruses use reverse transcriptase (RNA-dependent DNA polymerase), so that their genome becomes DNA at some point in their life cycle. Coronaviruses have RNA-dependent RNA polymerase, so they never convert their genetic material into much more stable DNA.

    You can speed up mutation rate (which becomes evolution if you select for something) by adding certain nucleotide analogs to the medium that further increase the error rate of their RNA-dependent RNA polymerase. But to make this work, you need a virus that grows in the cells you culture to begin with, so it’s almost Catch 22. You can use primary culture of bat cells with additives facilitating mutations and then test the results on human cells, but that’s more complicated: primary cultures are a lot trickier than growing established cell lines.

    So, a tech with a bit of experience in cell culture and no creative ability can do the selection from those hundreds or thousands viral species you find in bats. Everything else requires higher caliber scientists.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Astuteobservor II
  327. Jaylonw says:
    @UK

    Just because you say so, does not mean its true.

  328. mcohen says:
    @Olivier1973

    Nah bullshit
    .catholic connection too strong.i see this article has primed the pump
    Italians make Ferraris and Chinese make cheap socks.
    I went to Milan 15 years ago and saw Chinese vendors selling cheap rubbish at the entrance to train stations.setting the bait.
    Confucius say eat bat and die.lol

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  329. Alden says:
    @Hempus

    Do you think obesity prevents the diaphragm muscles from working efficiently ? If the diaphragm is loaded with layers of lard would that hinder the operation of the diaphragm to keep the lungs functioning?

    • Replies: @Hempus
  330. For many weeks President Trump and his political allies had regularly dismissed or minimized this terrible health threat….

    Way to kind. They outright lied. Case in point, Senator Richard Burr. As chairman of the United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Burr knew enough about the impending train wreck to unload equities. He also shared what appears to be sensitive intelligence with his “Tar Heel Circle” donors.

    If Burr, Loeffler et. al. knew so did many other Republicans, Democrats and Trump.

    • Replies: @lysias
  331. Anonymous[326] • Disclaimer says:

    If, and it’s a big If, the US did spread Covid in Wuhan, it certainly wasn’t through the military. After all, it wasn’t only the US that sent participants to the war games.

    Also, it’s not like Wuhan is closed from the world. Anyone here with a passport can visit Wuhan or any city in China. Wuhan has become something of a global hub. If China were a closed society, then the US might have key delegates or representatives to spread the disease. But as it’s so easy for anyone to go to Wuhan, why bother? Why not just send in a rogue agent disguised as businessman, tourist, or student?

    Still, I can’t imagine Trump or even members of the deep state sitting around the table and cooking up something this crazy. Rather, the virus probably came from bats or some ill-prepared food or the Wuhan Lab; or , it is the work of a rogue organization with close ties to Deep State but isn’t a part of it. It’s like Israeli agents are not part of US deep state but work close with it. The role of Israeli intelligence and 9/11 are still shrouded in mystery. Why were the Israelis so close to the terrorists, and why were they let go? Why is Arnon Milchan allowed to walk around freely in the US even though he admitted stealing secrets for the US? The honorable members of the Deep State may actually despise these rogue element but feel impotent to move against them because their bosses, the elected politicians and their top appointees, are so beholden to the Lobby.

    If rogue elements did it, they are mostly likely linked to Zionists who have close ties with hawks in US government. Rogue elements might have done it with wink-wink nod from members of official power.

    As for the viruses that wiped out pigs and poultry, it’s difficult to imagine Trump and other officials sitting around cooking up something that crazy. Of course, one could point to US support of terrorists in Syria and lying about it and getting away with it. But China is no Syria, and an act of sabotage like that would be too risky.

    Most likely, China still has a long way to go with sanitation and inspection with live stock. Too many corrupt party bosses who cut costs. Also, unlike Japanese or German culture, Chinese culture isn’t a gold medalist when it comes to hygiene and order. So, the problems probably began in China.

    But IF drones did spread disease to pigs and poultry, it may have been the work of rogue elements associated with globo-corporations. As globo-corporations have gotten more powerful than ever, they are co-operators with the deep state. Where is the dividing line between Amazon, Google, CIA, and big media? MICHAEL CLAYTON-kind of world. Also, when Wasps were the dominant capitalists, Jewish media served as counter-balance and were full of critique But with Jews dominating so much of big capital and globo trade, Jewish media seem to be less interested in exposing the rot. Fourth Estate is now just another wing of the Deep Power.

    Still, I can’t imagine the heads of the US pig and chicken industry getting together and cooking a plan to knock out Chinese livestock. Ole McDonald may have gotten rich but playing godfather?

    If rogue elements did it, it’s probably connected to the financial sector, especially as insiders make tremendous amounts of money by betting on futures and commodities. So, if these organizations hire rogue goons to carry out a hit on Chinese agriculture, they will know that Chinese demand for US products will rise, and then they can make a killing by investing in those futures. The US deep state probably didn’t do it but let it go because it was useful as a message to China that its food supplies are vulnerable to attack IF US and China were to go head to head.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Biff
  332. Ber says:
    @UK

    You are entitled to your opinion and I mine.

    As the Brits would say, one can disagree agreeably and this is a sign of a gentleman and a civilized mind.

    • Replies: @UK
  333. @Pft

    Lest we forget our dear friend Putin and “Mother Russia”

    That even tough guy Vlad — ‘The Papa’ or ‘The Number One’ as his cronies call him — has to bow to the virus is almost a relief.

    Because in the 20 years since he grabbed the presidency, no one at home has managed to stand in his way without being rolled over, removed, imprisoned, killed, cowed or bribed into submission.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-8227203/The-power-crazed-crook-Kremlin-Oligarchs-thought-hed-one-term.html

    • Replies: @vot tak
  334. @UK

    Seriously. How far removed from reality does someone have to be to think the Chinese government is “nurturing”? There’s a lot wrong with the right, but the left is completely out of their fucking minds.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  335. @Astuteobservor II

    You’re one of the guys begging for Ron’s golden shower.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  336. FB says: • Website
    @AnonFromTN

    Very interesting, thanks…

    So it’s not understood by science just how the mechanism works by which the corona viruses suppress the immune system…?

    Just goes to show how tough some of the riddles in nature really are…

    Does this hold for all of the several thousands of corona variants…?

    And here’s another goofy question…I’ve read that they haven’t yet linked the HIV virus to the actual immunodeficiency syndrome [AIDS]…nor come up with a vaccine after all these years…?

    Is any of that factual…?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  337. @AnonFromTN

    How the virus infects n kills. It is excellent. Probably the best video explaining how the virus works.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @AnonFromTN
  338. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:

    Come on Ron, what is this crap? The virus first appears in Wuhan, where the Wuhan Institute of Virology is. The same institute that has published multiple papers over the last several years on genetically engineering coronaviruses. And now the lab and the WHO have both been hacked and info retrieved reveals exactly the obvious: this virus was developed at the Wuhan lab. But hey, since they notified the WHO weeks too late it must be a US biowarfare attack right? The same WHO that cares nothing for the world or health, but is simply a propaganda outlet of China. Why would a world health organization refuse to acknowledge the existence of Taiwan? Why would a world health organization tell western countries not to wear masks, while China shut down the spread of the virus internally precisely by mandating masks? China was so open and transparent after they tried to cover it up for weeks, even arresting doctors for warning people about it. Lieber is mossad. He got in shit because he gave the Chinese too much info, rather than just what the jews want them to have. There’s a reason Israel was already working on a vaccine before the virus outbreak. It is disappointing that 4chan has better coverage of this subject than Unz.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @anon
  339. Smartass says:

    This site appears to be a front for the Chinese Communist Party.

    • Replies: @vot tak
    , @Seraphim
  340. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Yes, the government clearly felt there was something in it for them. Your point?

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  341. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    OK, you can’t imagine this or that. Now, what about the evidence?

    See #199. You only need a timeline.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  342. Devastatingly powerful circumstantial bolstering of the theory that the US Military Contingent to the Wuhan World Military Games brought the virus to China, are the facts that they were billeted in a hotel near the Wet Market, that 43 of the hotel staff were the first major cluster (although seven market workers, who had had contact with the hotel staff, were the first Chinese treated in hospital, but crucially, five of the US Military Contingent were treated in hospital for a fever on OCTOBER 25th, five days after the the Wuhan Games had started, and before any Chinese had been infected.
    And, purely coincidentally, of course, on the very day the Wuhan Games began, Bill Gates & cronies were doing a Coronavirus simulation in New York, called Event 201.
    Search: ‘WUHAN OUTBREAK: CHINA DEMANDS AN HONEST ACCOUNTING’ (Aletho News)
    and ‘Event 201: Bill Gates & World Economic Forum Simulated Coronavirus Outbreak 6 Weeks Before First Case in Wuhan’ (Prepare for Change).
    As you Yanks would say, ‘Go figure’!

    • Agree: Tsar Nicholas
    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  343. @Vojkan

    I think the principles I enumerated apply universally, even if few governments obey them.

    It’s cheaper in the long run to tell the truth, otherwise it’s difficult to justify rational and necessary policy changes. Isn’t that America’s current situation? We told ourselves comforting lies, ran into a ditch, and now cannot tell the truth (though Trump did briefly try at the beginning).

    People like and admire truth-tellers universally (they also kill them, but that’s another story), and will more willingly follow those they like and admire…

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  344. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Jeeez, what a crazy anon.

    I am probably one of the few that would hate getting a star. As I laced almost all my comments with profanity. Uncivil even as I ran out of patience long ago.

    So fuck off echo chamber chaser. Stop thinking the world revolves around you or your retarded opinions.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  345. vok3 says:

    For at least a week in January, the number of daily deaths the Chinese were reporting was a precise 3.1% of the total new infections each day.

    The following week, the number of deaths reported daily was 2.1% of the number of infetions each day. Not 2.2%. Not 1.9%. 2.1%. Every single day.

    If the Chinese numbers are accurate, this virus – while in China – was capable of keeping track of its own new infections and calibrating its kills to match. Strangely, it lost that ability once it departed Chinese territory.

    When they recently released updated numbers of dead in Wuhan, the new total was a mathematically precise 50% increase. Not 48%. Not 55%. 50.0%, rounded to the nearest whole number.

    This entire article is premised on the idea that the Chinese are not lying and are not making up numbers out of thin air, which is demonstrably false.

    The difference between East Asian and Euro-white society responses to this is due entirely to contact tracing and catching it quick, in non-liberal societies.

    As for the bioweapon theory: nobody builds a bioweapon out of a coronavirus, because the one factor common to all coronaviruses is that nobody’s ever successfully made a permanent vaccine for one. So it would inevitably get out of control. If you release a bioweapon, you make damn sure you have an inoculation for yourself first. The one overwhelmingly clear fact right now is that the US and its military are totally unprepared for dealing with this.

    There you go. I just demolished your whole piece in 1% of the verbiage.

    As for the Tiananmen discussion – I see a lot of assertions along the lines of “nothing happened”, and no precise description of what, precisely, is alleged that DID happen. It’s been a long time since Tiananmen but I remember following the news closely at the time and there was zero doubt in my mind, based on the evidence available, that the Chinese had systematically killed off a bunch of troublemaking students. Like Kent State, but a few thousand times more so.

    As for the embassy bombing, if all the facts alleged are correct, bombing it inentionally and then blandly lying about it sounds like a perfectly reasonable and justifiable thing to have done.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  346. JamesinNM says:

    Czech microbiologist interview. https://www.dimsumdaily.hk/czech-molecular-biologist-dr-sona-pekova-explains-in-layman-terms-that-covid-19-virus-originates-from-a-lab/

    Also, the NWO benefits from the destruction of the U.S. economy and striking fear in the hearts of Americans so they will beg to be saved by the government.

  347. d dan says:

    ==== How likely is this a leak in Wuhan Lab? ====

    For the Covid-19 to be a leak in Wuhan Lab, ALL the following extreme conditions have to be true:

    1. The Wuhan Lab had very incompetent research Ph.D.’s and management. Somehow those Chinese kids who consistently beat white people in math and science competitions in schools, grew up to become morons that they couldn’t handle basic safety protocols or lack the disciplines to understand the risks. Meanwhile, in the US and the west with many more P4 labs, employing order of magnitude more employees of diverse races (white, Asians, black, Latinos…) of vastly different competency and IQs, none of them managed to leak Covid-19 or any virus.

    2. The Chinese officials and government were extremely corrupt and stupid that they couldn’t bother to shut down the Wuhan Lab. Chinese government is so paranoid about security, reputation and stability that they could manage the largest censorship of free speech in Internet, employ prevalent facial recognition, build concentration camp for millions of Uighur, implement social credit systems for billions, etc, etc but they were so corrupt that they couldn’t cover their ass with a single Lab in the entire country. They had to be order of magnitude more incompetent than US CDC who managed to shut down Fort Detrick for something that did not involve any leak of any virus.

    3. The foreign researchers (e.g. Harvard’s Lieder has a large group of graduate students from Wuhan) involved in the extremely wide international contacts, funding and collaborations with Wuhan Labs didn’t even have the slightest hint of any safety violation or possibility of leaks. None of these researchers and western trained researchers complain, sound alarms or express concerns for those flagrant safety violations. Magically, of course, those gross safety violations were caught ONLY by western reporters from ZeroHedge, NY Times, BBC etc and CIA agents.

    4. Finally, as explained by Ron Unz, the accidental leak by Wuhan Labs conveniently happened at the absolutely most opportune time, right before the Chinese New Year, just in time for the greatest human movement on Earth.

    The combination of all these conditions still understate the implausibility of leak from Wuhan Labs. These are examined mostly from the China and Wuhan side of the situations. If we would to look at the US side, in terms of motives, opportunities, means, past behaviors and patterns, I find it extremely likely the source of Covid-19 came from US (accidentally, intentionally or both).

  348. JamesinNM says:
    @Tor597

    Hoping for short-lived guilty ones.

  349. @Frederick V. Reed

    Hi Fred. Having found you once more in sheer boring common sense mode may I ask for your informed insights into what it would have taken for some totally loose cannon in the US bio warfare/defense community to have achieved what has happened? Your weighting of the probabilities on aspects of the possible scenarios would be of special value. Your starting points would be just one, two, three and four co-conspirators would it not (WAGs not included)? Any more and your probability of running into mundane sanity would be 99% despite the Jim Jones and Waco experiences???

  350. UK says:
    @Ber

    Your opinion is based on thinking a totally ridiculous joke website is real. You are very, very, very stupid. That you could judge it real shows how absolutely inadequate your judgement is.

    Again, is it your opinion that there is a restaurant in Los Angeles which specialises in human flesh and even publically advertises this?

    Just kill me now…

  351. I tend to doubt that Chinese leaders have any overwhelming commitment to the truth, and the reasons for their greater veracity are probably practical ones. American news and entertainment completely dominate the global media landscape and they face no significant domestic rival. So China recognizes that it is vastly outmatched in any propaganda conflict, and as the far weaker party must necessarily try to stick closer to the truth, lest its lies be immediately exposed.

    While I think the jury is still out about what really started this pandemic, your line of reasoning is flawed. There is certainly a relationship between media control and the capacity to expose a lie *once it has been detected*. But all the media control in the world will not help you to detect a lie, because that depends on investigative powers which in turn have nothing to do with propaganda domination. In this case, access to certain parts of the Chinese territory is key to an investigation of what happened in China.
    Thus, the Chinese government is very much in the position of lying and getting away with it, as long as it bars foreign access to places that might be profitfully investigated. Also, since China is a dictatorship, it can easily erase clues and silence witnesses within that country. I am not implying that they have lied, just that they had that capacity and there was nothing too impractical about it.

  352. @Anonymous

    “the info retrieved reveals”????
    Please elaborate and source. I’m willing to believe Ron errs but his biases don’t leave him as having so little weight that his views can be brushed aside by assertion alone.

  353. @FB

    I am not a virologist, but to the best of my knowledge all coronaviruses have large genome, express many proteins, and can suppress mammalian immune system. (As an aside, everybody and his brother is a virologist now, just like very recently everyone was a military analyst, even people who do not know the difference between a screw and a bolt.)

    Judging by shrill advocacy for HIV research of LGBT community they believe that HIV causes AIDS. Frankly, I don’t know and don’t care much. HIV is a virus of choice: if you don’t want to get it, use condoms and do not reuse needles. Both needles and condoms are quite cheap, so anybody with a brain can afford them.

    As to vaccine, it’s a separate story. To develop a vaccine, you need a protein (or a piece of protein) that causes strong immunity, i.e., the production of high titer antibodies. Some protein sequences do that, some don’t for reasons we don’t understand. There is software that “predicts” immunogenicity of particular sequences, but its reliability is just a notch above Nostradamus. Besides, HIV infects the immune cells, so your ability to mount a response is blunted by HIV infection.

    • Thanks: FB
    • Replies: @glib
    , @Wizard of Oz
  354. glib says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Perhaps of interest, a colleague at UC Berkeley was in Wuhan Nov. 4-9(together with many others at a conference). He came back sick and developed pneumonia. I am waiting to hear through the grapevine if he is positive or not. Then there is the famous Prof. Remuzzi’s interview also stating the virus was circulating in Italy in November.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    , @Polemos
  355. FB says: • Website
    @Astuteobservor II

    Yeah…I’m sure that a scientist who heads up one of the leading microbiology labs needs a youtube cartoon to learn about the virus…

    SMFH

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  356. AyeNon says:

    No one to my knowledge here even considers the possibility – concerning the so called blowback issue – of simple retaliation via simple misters etc. Curious omission to my simple mind. Thanks for an engaging article though.

  357. anon[287] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    Not counting the foreign tourists who died here, it’s only 43 in Australia.

  358. Bill says:
    @interesting

    If China thought it was being attacked, then it would move to gain control of information.

  359. vot tak says:
    @Smartass

    Appears the zio-faggot brigade feels threatened judging by their reactions here. 😀

    • Replies: @vot tak
  360. @denk

    Denk

    Why don’t you use your moral authority to end COVID-19? Why are you letting us suffer?

    And if you don’t have that kind of authority, who exactly are you to dismiss a thesis because you, personally, have lied about it and are of the opinion that it is false? What kind of authority _do_ you have?

  361. @UK

    Yet it has a living standard below 50 years of civil war Colombia?

    and, uh, this

    • Replies: @glib
    , @UK
    , @Poco
    , @Incitatus
  362. Jeremygg5 says:
    @Ozymandias

    Mind you that it was a novel disease, and it takes time to investigate its properties. From the timeline we could see that China took 2 or 3 weeks to determine that it was human-to-human communicable. That was tremendous speed considering that you need time to develop a test kit in order to execute said experiment.

    Take the H1N1 as a case study. The CDC has detected more than a dozen H1N1 confirmed cases since 2005, but did not warn of its human-to-human communicable property until 2009.
    https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/cdcresponse.htm

    Even assuming that China had been slow in warning, it is a moot point because the US intelligence had known since November that there was a brewing pandemic in Wuhan, which was a month earlier than the Chinese did (Curious eh? It perfectly fits the narrative that it was planted there during the Military World Games)

    Intelligence report warned of coronavirus crisis as early as November
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/intelligence-report-warned-coronavirus-crisis-early-november-sources/story?id=70031273

    US alerted Israel, NATO to disease outbreak in China in November
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-alerted-israel-nato-to-disease-outbreak-in-china-in-november-report/

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
  363. @Astuteobservor II

    Yea, it is simple and tells you pretty much all we know. It does not tell you how much we don’t know about coronaviruses, though. Still, flattening the curve makes sense. Except if you go into a harsh lockdown, eventually more people would die of hunger than would have died of the disease. The “experts” would never tell you that it’s always a trade-off.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  364. @Hail

    Here’s my brief summary of that event. It includes eyewitnesses, and a follow-up.
    https://www.unz.com/article/tiananmen-square-1989-revisited/

  365. @anon

    “eliminated that mad Ayatollah”???? I have searched but can’t find what you are referring to. Please elaborate (with best evidence).

  366. Mefobills says:
    @Anon

    Hint: Read the links I provide!

    GDP does not measure productivity, only activity.

    Everybody in the U.S. sells their house to their neighbor. This creates a lot of activity, yet no real increase or improvement in housing stock. GDP goes up.

    The “finance speculative sector” can show up as GDP, when it is mostly moving paper about, the same as the mortgage example above.

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/01/gdp-frog-matchbox-david-pilling-growth-delusion/

    Large segments of the American population have minimal savings and cannot survive economic shock.

    Your argument about America’s saving’s rate is based on flawed data and doesn’t consider concentrations and class. A plutocracy can hold all the wealth as savings.

  367. glib says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Does the suppression work by simply exhausting the immune system? Here as in AIDS, often the cause of death are opportunistic bacterial infections.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  368. @Astuteobservor II

    That’s quite a pot-and-kettle comment.

  369. @FB

    Don’t knock it till you see it. It basically lays it all out so everyone can understand how covid 19 works.

    It was very informative for someone like me.

  370. @AnonFromTN

    Still the best video I have found explaining the virus in detail. Visual presentation was simple n easy to understand.

  371. Alden says:
    @Jason Crew

    You’re right that epidemics start in China and always have. Long before the China to India, the Mid East and Europe trade routes were established, migratory birds flew from their winter grounds in S China all over the world.

    If, if official figures are to be believed, Europe and the USA have suffered the worst in terms of deaths and economic shut downs.

    Neutral continents such as S America and Africa are hardly touched. If UNZ is to be believed China is so efficient that the China flu was eradicated as soon as it began.

    Sooo, why did the American government sprinkle the virus around Wuhan when the China virus didn’t affect China and Asia but badly affected the USA and Europe? Are all these deep state plotters so dis functional their virus didn’t work in China and east Asia?

    Maybe the virus was engineered to affect only Caucasians, American but not Mexican and S American Hispanics , American but not African blacks and NYC Chinese but not California Chinese?

    Who benefitted from the non epidemic? China was the least affected in terms of illness and death and not at all in its economy. America is not affected medically, but by a self inflicted economic shutdown. Less than half dead of this new China virus compared to last years flu pneumonia deaths.

  372. mike99588 says:
    @FB

    Failure? (for whom?)
    Serbia was bankrupted
    Clinton transferred our F117 technology
    UN agenda, interference and threats were advanced
    muslim invasion and colonization in Europe was advanced
    US interests, finances and Constitution were further eroded

  373. vot tak says:
    @vot tak

    Correction: the zionazi-nazi-faggot brigade. 😀

  374. @Just another serf

    Yeah. I haven’t seen anybody suggest that the deaths numbers are probably anything but an OVERCOUNT.

    What you are seeing is people planting the seeds for their initial predictions being basically correct no matter what the outcome.

    Nobody will ever admit that they made any mistakes or over-reactions in initial hysteria.

    I believe that has been discussed as “ret-conning” in recent years if I understand the term correctly.

    • Agree: Just another serf
  375. Biff says:
    @Anonymous

    Rather, the virus probably came from bats or some ill-prepared food

    “You can’t be serious?!”

    John McEnroe

  376. Mefobills says:
    @utu

    American troops were entering Bagdad, who and when organized special outfits who systematically were visiting Bagdad museum and looting it according to the shopping list?

    Ron Unz is underestimating their evil and abilities.

    It would take counterintel to mine data. For example, the finance markets could be analyzed for purposeful shorting to take advantage of pandemic shock. After 9-11 there were shorts on airlines that were statistically non-random, and hence were purposeful maneuvers.

    NSA has vacuumed up much of the worlds signals intelligence, and that data could be mined.

    No counter intel operation to dig out the truth.. or at least I haven’t heard of any.

    We live in clown world, and it was funded into existence.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  377. glib says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Godfree, you must not be aware of the world class high speed train network in Colombia. 🙂

    • Replies: @UK
  378. Seraphim says:
    @Smartass

    You must have provided yourself with enough toilet paper to keep you ass smart after producing the farts you think are ‘smart’ thoughts.

  379. anon[274] • Disclaimer says:
    @CanSpeccy

    On Neil Ferguson:
    https://www.voltairenet.org/article209749.html

    On Ron Unz’s hysterical “a million or more British deaths”:
    https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/21/watch-perspectives-on-the-pandemic-4/

    The Ioannidis interview (4/17) is lucid, rational, and completely takes the wind out of the hysterical b.s..

    • Thanks: CanSpeccy
    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  380. Ghali says:

    The U.S. ruling class (Republican and Democrats) are doing their best to deflect attention away from their regime’s own policy failures by blaming China and at the same time sperading anti-China racist propaganda.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  381. @glib

    Does the suppression work by simply exhausting the immune system?

    It appears to be more complex than that. For reasons we don’t quite understand most people do not get immune to coronaviruses (the common cold and flu ones, that were always with us), and even those who develop immunity lose it within a couple of years. For comparison, when you are immunized against TB of measles, you retain immunity for decades.

    Recent Russian studies suggest that this one behaves like the other coronaviruses: only a small fraction of people who recovered from it has high enough antibody titer for their plasma to be useful to treat severe cases. The majority has fairly low levels of antibodies. Here is good news, though: it is close enough to more common coronaviruses for cross-immunity to be possible. Again, according to Russian studies about 3% of the population have pre-existing antibodies that recognize it. Among medical workers this fraction becomes ~15%, which is understandable: they deal with patients suffering from cold and flu all the time.

  382. newrouter says:

    >Then on Jan. 23rd and after only 17 deaths, the Chinese government took the astonishing step of locking down and quarantining the entire 11 million inhabitants of the city of Wuhan,<

    Yea right "17 deaths" caused that reaction. lol

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  383. The pattern is so obvious. Shenkar’s “The Chinese Century” tells of US corporations in the late 90’s and 00’s begging China to accept Intellectual Property from many many US companies eager to trade for building plants and gaining access to those 1.3 billion buyers. Criminal, crazy, incompetent. The amorality of Zionism combined with the mercenary ethic of Americans and here we are: Small pox delivered to the Native Americans and sprayed over North Korea. Does anyone now wonder where Trump got the sense to ban flights from China? CIA whispered in his ear!

  384. Vuki says:
    @Greg Bacon

    We know well that in politics in America “the end justifies the means” When the IMF and the World Bank fail send in the marines or use your surrogates to do the dirty work.

    The Unz continues to shovel the same crap on Yugoslavia and he is still wrong about that event.

    We know who the Media serves in China and one has to be blind not to see that the corporate media bosses finances and appoint the political masters who sit in the Senate and Congress Washington.

    The fact that US dollar is the currency of choice inflated by 20% US benefits in its purchases and sales by 20%.

    Russia and China attacked this US benefit by attacking the dollar by using domestic currency in trade . They created the BRICS. Many small nations wanted to join. They were attacked one at a time and sent back into Stone Age. When Colour revolution failed in Russia and Tiananmen Square failed in China back to the drawing board get them one at a time. Someone in US must have read something about the Roman general Fabian.

    The first link to break was Brazil. The Generals were brought out of retirement and the first domino fell. Russia was next, first Georgia and then Ukraine but Vladimir did not blink. He know the history of his people so he got rid of the Judases that still seem to walk upright even though they lick boots daily.

    The only way to get at China, destroy its economy and foment unrest like Hong Kong under the pretext of building democracy. Its not going to happen. The queue or the pigtail is gone and its not going to come back. China is building connections and US will need to join.

  385. Anonymous[397] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    OK, you can’t imagine this or that. Now, what about the evidence?

    We can’t trust China. We can’t trust the Deep State, esp after Russia Collusion hoax, the mother of all hoaxes. We can’t trust the media that are totally corrupt and/or owned by globalist oligarchs.

    We’ll have to wait and see. Eventually, time has a way of telling… like the truth about Gulf of Tonkin. Or what really happened in the Great Leap Forward. Time proved US lied about events that led to Vietnam War. Time has proven Mao to be one of the biggest monsters of the 20th century.

    Truth is usually between official BS and alt media nuttery. Deep State usually pushes the Big Lie, and alt media have too many eccentrics who connect the dots in weird ways.

  386. 4truth says:

    Two points on the article:

    1.

    the short war did include one very embarrassing mishap

    One mishap? The entire US/NATO attack on Serbia in 1999 was an outrageous crime.

    2. According to Robert Kennedy, Jr., “Dr. Anthony Fauci’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease (NIAID) gave $3.7 million to scientists at the Wuhan Lab at the center of coronavirus leak scrutiny” (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/u-s-governments-3-7-million-grant-to-wuhan-lab-at-center-of-coronavirus-outbreak/).

    So, the man who helped create the virus was then put in charge of the response to the pandemic which the virus caused.

  387. naill says:
    @Ozymandias

    Where is the evidence that China chose to deliberately infect the rest of the world?

    On the contrary, China proceeded with a lockdown the size of which has never been attempted in history.

    The possibility of the virus originating in the US now needs a closer look!

    Consider the US infection numbers and how large they are. Now the latest antibody testing suggests that the numbers are even larger than US are reporting. If that is true, perhaps the US numbers are not consistent with a virus moving from China to the US but in fact, could even support the possibility of the virus moving from the US to China and other parts of the world.

    Italy has suggested that possibility and has requested the US to posthumously investigate the earlier flu deaths in the US, but the US has flatly refused!! Why is the US so fearful of the truth coming out?

    • Agree: Jeremygg5
  388. @anon

    Does your retarded ass understand that prediction was based on USA doing nothing.

    No testing, no social distancing, no shelter in place.

  389. Cowboy says:

    The virus takes out dirty city people and people confined to nursing homes. Why is ronnie holding his pee pee?

  390. One thing I cannot understand is: why can’t the mainland Chinese themselves come up with a detailed and carefully argued article like this one to defend themselves against all the false accusations directed against them (assuming they’re indeed innocent)? In a country of more than 1 billion, can’t there be at least a couple dozen with the same command of English and the same grasp of the facts as Mr Unz? Or is it that they have indeed already made such a defense, except I haven’t yet come across it (presumably because the usual media outlets have ignored it or were paid to ignore it)? But if it was the case that they had indeed made such a defense and it was an informational blackout imposed by the (predominantly Western or Western-controlled) media that had prevented people like me from getting to know about it, couldn’t there have been at least some leakages, and/or could the Chinese media really be so feeble as to succumb so easily to such an informational blackout? Considering that the international reputation of their entire country is at stake — and how valuable ‘face’ is to the Chinese — their attempts to defend themselves would seem lame to me at best. Incomprehensibly lame. (Or did I miss something? Does anyone know?)

    Perhaps they might not have been really innocent after all. Perhaps their elite had been holding hands with the American elite behind the scenes.

  391. @Donald A Thomson

    “I stress that Australia and New Zealand did very badly (only about 10 times better than the USA but 4 times worse than China who we should have beaten easily)”…

    On what metric do you base your assertion?

    Here’s the death-rate per 100,000 figures as at 20 April 2020:

    [MORE]

    Country Total Per 100,000

    Spain 20453 043.52
    Italy 23660 039.43
    France 19718 030.34
    UK 16060 023.62
    Netherlands 3684 021.67
    Switzerland 1393 016.20
    Sweden 1540 015.40
    USA 39000 012.19
    Iran 5118 006.40
    Germany 4642 005.53
    Brazil 2462 001.16
    Mexico 650 000.50
    South Korea 234 000.46
    Philippines 409 000.38
    China 4600 000.32
    Cuba 34 000.31
    Argentina 134 000.30
    Australia 72 000.29
    Malaysia 89 000.28
    Saudi Arabia 97 000.28
    New Zealand 12 000.25
    Russia 361 000.25
    Egypt 239 000.23
    Indonesia 582 000.21
    Japan 236 000.19
    Afghanistan 33 000.11
    South Africa 54 000.09
    Pakistan 168 000.08
    Thailand 47 000.07
    Bangladesh 91 000.06
    India 559 000.04
    Taiwan 1 000.00

    Although that’s a few days ago now, it nonetheless shows that Australia, New Zealand, & a bunch of others, have done comparably well to China so far.

    Note also that Iran is doing far better than the “Exceptional Country” (ie, the Master Race) so far, despite the genocidal sanctions it has been enduring.

  392. @newrouter

    Probably when they found out how easily it is transmitted through the air.

  393. Olrik says:

    This is the 2015 paper where Chinese researcher Shi Zhengli (who is often cited as the Wuhan institute researcher behind the Covid-19 virus) is part of a larger research group based in the US with US funding that created an artificial or Chimeric Covid-19-like virus: “Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone.” SARS-CoV-2 is the formal name for Covid-19.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

    This is an article based on a British research paper on the spread of Covid-19 globally and how it mutated into three specific types, with A the original type supposedly from bats:
    “Researchers found that the closest type of coronavirus to the one discovered in bats – type A, the original human virus genome – was present in Wuhan, but was not the city’s predominant virus type. Mutated versions of A were seen in Americans reported to have lived in Wuhan, and a large number of A-type viruses were found in patients from the US and Australia.”

    https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/10/coronavirus-mutated-three-distinct-strains-spread-across-world-12536852/
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8211291/U-S-government-gave-3-7million-grant-Wuhan-lab-experimented-coronavirus-source-bats.html

    https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/technical-guidance/naming-the-coronavirus-disease-(covid-2019)-and-the-virus-that-causes-it

  394. @Felix Culpa

    So what is that “something”?

    • Replies: @Felix Culpa
  395. @Paul Barbara

    “…And, purely coincidentally, of course, on the very day the Wuhan Games began, Bill Gates & cronies were doing a Coronavirus simulation in New York, called Event 201…”

    That was the classical “drill-before-the-false-flag”.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  396. Jeremygg5 says:
    @Ozymandias

    Sorry, bud, ABC lied. Fake News:
    https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/9/pentagon-says-covid-report-cited-abc-doesnt-exist/

    The Israeli Intelligence and ABC reported that the US Intelligence knew about the pandemic since November.

    The Pentagon denies it.

    Before you sue that it is fake news, please explain why the Pentagon is more trustworthy than the ABC and the Israeli Intelligence .

  397. MEH 0910 says:

    A few weeks later, the Chinese government began gingerly raising the possibility that the coronavirus may have been brought to Wuhan by the 300 American military officers visiting that city, and was fiercely attacked by the Trump Administration for spreading anti-American propaganda. But I strongly suspect that the Chinese had gotten that idea from our own publication.

    • Replies: @Paul Barbara
  398. Trinity says:
    @Donald A Thomson

    How much does hasbara pay you per word?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  399. Mefobills says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Note also that Iran is doing far better than the “Exceptional Country” (ie, the Master Race) so far, despite the genocidal sanctions it has been enduring.

    I didn’t see Israel on your list?

    There are confounding factors:

    1) There are different versions of the virus, possibly three versions.
    2) Deaths are being attributed to the virus, when the victim has pre-conditions and may have died anyway.
    3) The data sets tend to group fat with skinny, old with young, healthy people with those who have pre-conditions.
    4) Ambient Temperature and Humidity.

    Any data set that you see, needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Germans are known for careful data collection, so less than a grain salt with their data.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  400. geokat62 says:
    @Mefobills

    After 9-11 there were shorts on airlines…

    PTI, but did you mean to write BEFORE 9-11?

  401. anon[193] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    America put the Communists into power in 1949, protected it’s northeast borders [Korean War],southern border [undermining the French, Vietnam War, bombing Laos 1965-73], eastern border[7th Fleet in the Formosa Straits, troops in Japan for 75 years], western border [occupied Tibet since 1950, where’s the RTP?].
    General Marshall and Harry Hopkins sorted it all out with Mao during their visit to China in 1942.
    So, yeah, if something bad comes out of China, of course the United States is in back of it.

  402. naill says:
    @UK

    China banned all movement to the rest of China from Wuhan while not only allowing the Wuhan infected to infiltrate the West

    The shutdown of public transport and flights would have stopped movement out of Wuhan into the rest of China and other countries. Why did Western media, while it was happening, not point out that the lockdown only stopped movements domestically? Because it stopped ALL travel outside of Wuhan. In fact western media claimed that China was sacrificing Wuhan to save the world.

    Th other factor that would have stopped travel from China to most western countries is the need for a visa. Anyone who has had to apply for a visa ought to know how long that process takes.

    In any case, the number of travellers from China to US in that period would have been minimal as it was during Chinese New Year when families reunite. The US Government is clutching at straws to try and push this narrative. The most likely reason US has such high numbers of infections is most likely the virus was already circulating in the US.

    • Disagree: UK
    • Replies: @Seraphim
  403. @SomeoneInAsia

    The short answer is they are biding their time – they have already asked the US for information about their first cases, and the hospitals that treated them – information which has not been furnished.
    Plus of course, neither China nor Russia are led by a Moron puppet.

  404. @MEH 0910

    Or perhaps by the fact that five of the US Military Games Contingent were treated in hospital for fever in Wuhan on 25th October, and the hotel they were billeted in was the first cluster of Chinese cases, 43, although seven market traders (who had had contact with the hotel staff were treated first).

  405. vot tak says:
    @SomeoneInAsia

    More like “someone in tel aviv”…

    • Replies: @SomeoneInAsia
  406. @SomeoneInAsia

    Yes, you are missing the basics of PR and politics. Why should China give credibility to any anti China speculations by involving itself in undignified disputation with wild statements from nutty Twitterers and cranky polemics? When and if it pounced it would want to be conclusive and deadly press close as possible.

    • Replies: @SomeoneInAsia
  407. Miro23 says:
    @Joe Webb

    Where I live, near Ron Unz, the Chinese are everywhere. local white liberals have complained to me about Chinese…that they lie, cheat and steal.

    Ron Unz is a racial democrat. He believes in immigration and will have nothing to do with racial IQ, etc.

    Take the parsimonious view ….what is the simplest explanation. Race is the simplest explanation.

    Ron goes on and on and on.

    If race is the simplest explanation, what does it predict?

    USA: Jewish dominated and dedicated to Jewish tribal interests (policy centered on Israel, Neo-con agenda, financialization, Jewish preference, anti-nationalism) + protection of the Jewish elite ( and collaborators).

    China: Chinese dominated and dedicated to the advancement of ethnic Chinese (most of the population) + protection of the Chinese elite.

    Russia: Russian dominated and dedicated to the advancement of ethnic Russians (most of the population) + protection of the Russian elite.

    Western Europe: US (Jewish) dominated although less so now. A hybrid European – Jewish power structure still shadowing the US (media, immigration, LGBT, “hate speech” etc.). Protection of a US dominated mixed elite.

    So agreed, that race (power holding race) is the simplest and best indicator of how a country works. For example, it predicts the attitude to immigration: open frontiers and citizenship in the US and Western Europe vs. closed frontiers without citizenship in China/Russia.

    • Replies: @Joe Webb
  408. @Mefobills

    “I didn’t see Israel on your list?”

    I was referring to Obama’s “Exceptional Country”, the same one which is sanctioning half the world…
    Not to deny that OTHER “Master Race” – to quote Netanyahoo, “The Goyim are little more than livestock.”

    Israel’s absence from the list is an oversight – they were actually doing about as well as China & etc last time I looked.

    I agree emphatically with the qualifying factors that you cited. It’s particularly interesting that three different strains originally “popped up” in China, Iran & Italy, at pretty much around the same time. I get the impression that the European / Middle East strains are (way) more potent than the Chinese one. Hence the greater impact on the East vs West coasts in the USA.

    The figures used in the list are just based on official total death counts, versus total population (scaled to “per 100,000”). As you suggest, the actual no. of deaths due to Coronavirus may not be the same as the officially reported tally.

    But it’s a simple general measure to “feel out” the global situation.

  409. Seraphim says:
    @Ozymandias

    Sure that the Pentagon could safely deny that there were reports from November 2019.

    Washington Post:
    “State Department cables warned of safety issues at Wuhan lab studying bat coronaviruses”, by By
    Josh Rogin Columnist April 14, 2020″:

    [MORE]

    “Two years before the novel coronavirus pandemic upended the world, U.S. Embassy officials visited a Chinese research facility in the city of Wuhan several times and sent two official warnings back to Washington about inadequate safety at the lab, which was conducting risky studies on coronaviruses from bats. The cables have fueled discussions inside the U.S. government about whether this or another Wuhan lab was the source of the virus — even though conclusive proof has yet to emerge.
    In January 2018, the U.S. Embassy in Beijing took the unusual step of repeatedly sending U.S. science diplomats to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), which had in 2015 become China’s first laboratory to achieve the highest level of international bioresearch safety (known as BSL-4). WIV issued a news release in English about the last of these visits, which occurred on March 27, 2018. The U.S. delegation was led by Jamison Fouss, the consul general in Wuhan, and Rick Switzer, the embassy’s counselor of environment, science, technology and health. Last week, WIV erased that statement from its website, though it remains archived on the Internet.
    What the U.S. officials learned during their visits concerned them so much that they dispatched two diplomatic cables categorized as Sensitive But Unclassified back to Washington. The cables warned about safety and management weaknesses at the WIV lab and proposed more attention and help. The first cable, which I obtained, also warns that the lab’s work on bat coronaviruses and their potential human transmission represented a risk of a new SARS-like pandemic.
    “During interactions with scientists at the WIV laboratory, they noted the new lab has a serious shortage of appropriately trained technicians and investigators needed to safely operate this high-containment laboratory,” states the Jan. 19, 2018, cable, which was drafted by two officials from the embassy’s environment, science and health sections who met with the WIV scientists. (The State Department declined to comment on this and other details of the story.)
    The Chinese researchers at WIV were receiving assistance from the Galveston National Laboratory at the University of Texas Medical Branch and other U.S. organizations, but the Chinese requested additional help. The cables argued that the United States should give the Wuhan lab further support, mainly because its research on bat coronaviruses was important but also dangerous.
    As the cable noted, the U.S. visitors met with Shi Zhengli, the head of the research project, who had been publishing studies related to bat coronaviruses for many years. In November 2017, just before the U.S. officials’ visit, Shi’s team had published research showing that horseshoe bats they had collected from a cave in Yunnan province were very likely from the same bat population that spawned the SARS coronavirus in 2003.
    “Most importantly,” the cable states, “the researchers also showed that various SARS-like coronaviruses can interact with ACE2, the human receptor identified for SARS-coronavirus. This finding strongly suggests that SARS-like coronaviruses from bats can be transmitted to humans to cause SARS-like diseases. From a public health perspective, this makes the continued surveillance of SARS-like coronaviruses in bats and study of the animal-human interface critical to future emerging coronavirus outbreak prediction and prevention.”
    The research was designed to prevent the next SARS-like pandemic by anticipating how it might emerge. But even in 2015, other scientists questioned whether Shi’s team was taking unnecessary risks. In October 2014, the U.S. government had imposed a moratorium on funding of any research that makes a virus more deadly or contagious, known as “gain-of-function” experiments.
    As many have pointed out, there is no evidence that the virus now plaguing the world was engineered; scientists largely agree it came from animals. But that is not the same as saying it didn’t come from the lab, which spent years testing bat coronaviruses in animals, said Xiao Qiang, a research scientist at the School of Information at the University of California at Berkeley.
    “The cable tells us that there have long been concerns about the possibility of the threat to public health that came from this lab’s research, if it was not being adequately conducted and protected,” he said…
    No extra assistance to the labs was provided by the U.S. government in response to these cables. The cables began to circulate again inside the administration over the past two months as officials debated whether the lab could be the origin of the pandemic and what the implications would be for the U.S. pandemic response and relations with China.
    “The cable was a warning shot,” one U.S. official said. “They were begging people to pay attention to what was going on.”
    Inside the Trump administration, many national security officials have long suspected either the WIV or the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention lab was the source of the novel coronavirus outbreak. According to the New York Times, the intelligence community has provided no evidence to confirm this. But one senior administration official told me that the cables provide one more piece of evidence to support the possibility that the pandemic is the result of a lab accident in Wuhan
    “The cable was a warning shot,” one U.S. official said. “They were begging people to pay attention to what was going on.”
    No extra assistance to the labs was provided by the U.S. government in response to these cables. The cables began to circulate again inside the administration over the past two months as officials debated whether the lab could be the origin of the pandemic and what the implications would be for the U.S. pandemic response and relations with China.
    Inside the Trump administration, many national security officials have long suspected either the WIV or the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention lab was the source of the novel coronavirus outbreak. According to the New York Times, the intelligence community has provided no evidence to confirm this. But one senior administration official told me that the cables provide one more piece of evidence to support the possibility that the pandemic is the result of a lab accident in Wuhan”
    @https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/

  410. @AnonFromTN

    Either this (what you are saying regarding the possibility of Covid19 being engineered) is bullshit, or the data we’ve been reading/watching from i.e. Cottrell, Webb, the Indian academics etc regarding the Covid19 genome are bullshit.

    Four inserts from HIV, specifically for the glycoprotein sheath on the hook interface. Those four inserts happened zoonotically? Hmmm.

    The massive copy paste from I think two distinct SARS-like variants.

    Cottrell seems quite credible to me, and he says for sure engineered. His reasoning seems to me sound. Of course I haven’t seen anything firsthand, and am not an expert, fog of phoney war and all that…

    I’m no subject-matter expert, but either you are purveying bullshit or they are. If you are doing so, and doing so unintentionally, I would suggest taking a closer look at available data on the genome for this virus. If this aspect is considered sensitive, I suppose there could be some obfuscation on the point, but the genome is published, so I think the basic points can be recovered beyond any scrubbing of this or that publication.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  411. @Tor597

    But by late February Iran had become the second epicenter of the global outbreak.

    Data for 21 April, 2020

    United Arab Emirates: Confirmed 7,755; fatalities: 46

    Iran: confirmed 84,802; fatalities: 5,297

    Saudi Arabia: confirmed 11,631; fatalities: 109

    Qatar: confirmed 6,533; fatalities: 9

    Kuwait: confirmed 2080, fatalities 11

    Bahrain: confirmed 1973; fatalities 7

    Iran’s isolation and reduced traffic and commerce caused by American sanctions does not explain this glaring disparity with her neighbors. Just saying.

  412. @Ozymandias

    Agreed.

    This silly boutique narrative was old a month ago.

    Orange-man bad; China, good.

    The word “obsessive” comes to mind.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  413. @Trinity

    That seems like a very stupid thing to say. Can you justify it by any process of reasoning? I don’t even see what your problem with it is from an anti Israel point of view so perhaps you could address that too.

  414. @Otto von Komsmark

    Ron Unz has done it again!! Good job, I’ve always thought the standard “Wuhan lab leak” theory seemed flawed

    Flawed = I don’t like it. Americans bad; Chi-coms good.

    • Troll: Seraphim
    • Replies: @Seraphim
  415. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @glib

    a colleague at UC Berkeley was in Wuhan Nov. 4-9(together with many others at a conference). He came back sick and developed pneumonia. I am waiting to hear through the grapevine if he is positive or not.

    And beside visiting Americans and Canadians, there are three quarters of a million N. Americans resident in China many of whom must take trips home.

    So what with conference visitors, business people, tourists, Chinese resident in N. America and N. Americans resident in China, there must have been many thousands of people who traveled from China to N. America in the earliest days of the Chinese epidemic, and who could have put Covid19 into circulation here well before Christmas.

    Maybe that explains the “flu” I had in January, passed on by a visiting grandchild who’d got it from cousins in Vancouver, home to many Chinese Canadians. I’ve had flu a few times, including the Asian flu of ’57/’58, which killed 70,000 Americans, and this year’s was as bad as any I’ve experienced.

    • Replies: @glib
  416. @Godfree Roberts

    What reliable sources have you for the 140 average IQ figure? It sounds plausible – like non affirmative action entry to Harvard e.g. – but I would be interested to know what psychometric tests the Chinese use amongst other queries that come to mind.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  417. Miro23 says:
    @chris

    The only thing I don’t get about the bioweapon theory, which otherwise seems relatively probable, is the question of the loyalty of the secret service community to this president.

    Trump surely knows that these agencies are crawling with actively and passively treasonous operators. If you add the active animosity toward him by Democratic-cum-media establishments, he could count on no more than 25% of these people to stay loyal to him.

    You have it back to front. Trump has to stay loyal to them – not viseversa. If he does what they want they celebrate him. For example, Trump’s Syrian missile strikes had the MSM calling him “Presidential”.

    The MSM is the true voice of US power – and right now it’s on full volume about the “China virus” – building a generalized rejection of everything Chinese.

    No doubt there are other issues behind this generalized attack on China ( Ignoring Iran sanctions? 5G encryption? US dollar reserve status? ).

    • Replies: @chris
    , @Anon
  418. @Wizard of Oz

    QUOTE: ***When and if it pounced it would want to be conclusive and deadly press close as possible.***

    And couldn’t they do so by getting, say, some reputable academician (or group of academicians) to do some presentation — in English (the better to reach a wider audience with) — in which the facts are offered like they are in the above article, references and all? That would be something that would carry weight — much more weight than disputes with wild statements from nutty Twitterers. And that is what would prompt more people to seriously think: Oh, seems the Chinese have been wronged after all. Right?

    Well, perhaps I’m being naive; I don’t know. I tell you, with all the half-truths, guesses and vested interests working behind all the stuff we get from the media nowadays, I sometimes really wish I had the powers of the Blue Fairy. Anytime she was lied to the liar’s nose would lengthen visibly. What a different world we would live in then…

  419. denk says:
    @anon

    assumes that Chinese are actually smart people and can stick it to the West too

    People who could conceive and carry out your diabolical plan need not be smart, but they have to be grade A treacherous swines.

    Who framed the Chinese as CCP’s fifth columns in Indon, goaded the army to wipe out almost the entire Chinese community in 1965 ?

    Who orchestrated ethnic riots in Tibet, 2008, then cried Han brutality ?

    Who incited bloodbath against the Han in Xinjiang 2009, then switched on their bull horn to incite a global jihad against the Chinese ?

    Who engineered the color rev in HK, then screamed CCP ‘intervention’ in HK’s internal affair ?

    Who’r behind the mother of all col rev in TAM, then perpetrated that ‘massacre’ hoax ?

    Who’r the acknowledged world leader in FF,
    Blaming the victims ?

    Still dont get it ?
    The same [[[mofo]]] who destroyed Iraq for that baby incubator fiction.

    Understand now ?
    Its your evil projection all along

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @denk
  420. Hail says: • Website
    @Felix Culpa

    Wittkowski is giving a series of updates, if anyone is interested in seeing his own words. I have transferred them here onto the Unz Review for easy viewing/reference:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/what-is-australia-doing-right/#comment-3850540

    [MORE]

    That comment is one in a series of replies with “Updates from Knut Wittkowski.”

    For example:

    Facebook and USA Today have declared Wittkowski persona non grata for spreading false information:

    Kevin [wrote:]

    Facebook dubbed Professor Wittkowski statements on herd-immunity as mis-information, quoting a USA Today Article Fact Checking Professor Wittkowski. I thoroughly disagree with USA Today “analysis”, but be aware.

    Knut Wittkowski responds:

    Thanks! The “fact checker” ruled “the claim that herd immunity would stop COVID-19 rather than flattening the curve to be partly false.” I tried to contact the Editor of USA Today to get the facts right, but could not get any response.

    • Thanks: 9/11 Inside job
    • Replies: @Felix Culpa
  421. Vojkan says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Again, I agree that truth is more rational than lies, not only economically. I even think that lying is bad for mental health as it pits consciousness against subconsciousness, as the conscious negation of reality conflicts with the subconscious perception of it. Due to that conflict, many liars seem to believe in their lies as they need to convince themselves first. Mythomania results from that conflict. Dementia can result from that conflict.
    However, I disagree with your assertion that people like and admire truth-tellers. In a faithless world they don’t. They prefer comforting lies to difficult truths. Without God to relieve them from their fear of death, people have resorted to multiple surrogate beliefs and they tend to stick to them like dogs stick to bones. Try to take them away and they’ll bite your hand. How do you think we came to be ruled by sociopaths?
    Speaking of sociopaths, the establishment in the USA, as that in France or the UK, does believe that it can make up for the damage done by its lies by doubling down on them because truth just isn’t an option. I don’t think it can work permanently. They think that as it has worked until know, there is no reason it won’t work again. Arguably, the current elites don’t exude intelligence but they haven’t created he system, they have inherited it from people who weren’t exactly dummies.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
  422. Seraphim says:
    @naill

    There were a number of overseas Chinese in China for the New Year, stopped by the Chinese and desperate to fly back, appealing to their Governments to put pressure on the Chinese to be allowed to fly out. Australia had a great number of international students caught in China and was as desperate to get them back in time for the opening of the new school year.

  423. @Beefcake the Mighty

    nur·ture /ˈnərCHər/ verb: nurture; 3rd person present: nurtures; past tense: nurtured; past participle: nurtured; gerund or present participle: nurturing; care for and encourage the growth or development of. e.g., “Jarrett was nurtured by his parents in a close-knit family.”

    In real life, nurture looks like this:

    and this:

    and this:

    • Thanks: Jeremygg5
  424. chris says:
    @Miro23

    Good point, Miro.

    … Though at the point at which they would have picked up this off-the-shelf plan, in the fall of 2019, they were busy gathering up info to impeach him; an impeachment as doomed to fail as it was transparent. Meaning, it was more like a nuisance than a real threat.

  425. GuestAug says:

    The link labeled “The Myth of Tiananmen” at the end of the article points to an unrelated YouTube video (https://youtu.be/t1BiBnEUqKw). Perhaps someone in charge of this page would like to fix that.

  426. @Alden

    epidemics start in China and always have. ?

    Spanish Flu, the most lethal epidemic in living memory, started in Kansas, in 1918.

    Swine Flu, the next big hitter, originated at F. Dix, NJ, in 1976.

    H1N1, the next pandemic, came to the world from San Diego, CA, in 2008.

    We don’t know where Covid-19 originated because the US banned testing for it until March 1, holds all discussions of it in secure facilities, and refuses to release details of its index case to the WHO.

    Nothing to see here..

  427. Portions of that enormously valuable wreckage were carefully gathered by the grateful Serbs, who delivered it to the Chinese

    LOL. The F-117 is from 1981. Commies want to study our 18 year old technology to advance themselves. Same as it ever was.

    • Replies: @Jeremygg5
  428. denk says:
    @denk

    Exercise that turned live….

    Now why’d a Carrier Strike Group spent an entire year to practice on ‘humanitarian relief op’, prior to the Asian tsunami ???

    On the morning of 27 December, the Australian (New York owned) media was making it very clear that the most badly hit nation in the region was Sri Lanka, an island at the southern tip of India, which like Australia is a member nation of the British Commonwealth. Accordingly, Tim Costello, head of one of Australia’s largest charities, made immediate plans to fly to the area and assess the need for aid. But that same morning, Little Johnny was dancing to a very different tune, which, based on his known subservience, must have been playing down his secure telephone line from Wall Street.

    In true covert manner, Little Johnny secretly dispatched two RAAF Hercules transport planes packed with supplies to Malaysia on “Stand By”, and directed two more to Darwin in Australia’s north. Please note that if Little Johnny had any humanitarian concerns at all, all four Hercules could have flown directly to Commonwealth partner Sri Lanka, where every other Australian had already been told by the media that aid was needed. But no, it wasn’t to be, and Little Johnny waited patiently for orders from New York.

    —————-

    Needless to say the Australians were merely the advance party, soon to be joined by a curiously well prepared and equipped U.S. Military, though it is doubtful that any of the officers and men involved really comprehend what is going on. Only a handful thought to question why they had been spending a whole year training for a “Humanitarian Mission”, when the whole point of the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps is normally to kill people in very large numbers. Just look at Fallujah, people, look at Fallujah.

    As if by magic, the Pentagon managed to have two battle groups ready to sail at an instant’s notice from Hong Kong and Guam during the normally chaotic Christmas to New Year period. Crikey! Military discipline has come a hell of a long way since my day, when everyone including the ship’s cat was sleeping it off at some highly questionably hostelry or another. Not these 10,000+ Americans though, who must have been standing rigidly to attention beside their hammocks day and night, tugging furiously at their forelocks whenever an officer of NCO came in sight.

    https://educate-yourself.org/cn/viallssumatra2004tsunami05jan05.shtml

  429. @Wizard of Oz

    Assuming a normal distribution, there are only about 10,000 people in the US who perform at +4SD and a similar number in Europe, so this is quite a select population (roughly, the top few hundred high school seniors each year in the US). If you extrapolate the NE Asian numbers to the 1.3 billion population of China you get something like 300,000 individuals at this level, which is pretty overwhelming.

    Asian-White IQ variance from PISA results https://infoproc.blogspot.com/2010/05/assortative-mating-and-far-tail-of.html
    https://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/218926/steve-hsus-calculation-of-geniuses-in-china

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Wizard of Oz
  430. @denk

    Some of it justified but so much BS that suggests you seek to educate yourself more broadly, even if only to know and understand your enemies. No I won’t elaborate: just do yourself a favour and read widely with due modesty.

  431. @AnonFromTN

    “infects the immune [sic] cells”???? What does that mean? Infects the cells [which? Are they unique?] that create or mediate immunity???

  432. Alden says:
    @St-Germain

    I read the link nothing new.

    It’s just a summary of everything posted on UNZ and other pro China sites. The few pulmonary deaths last summer attributed to vaping, but now attributed to Covid, the closing of Fort Detrick last summer because a dangerous virus escaped, Japanese tourists coming back from Hawaii with covid although no cases were reported in Hawaii, the American military sports teams sprinkling the virus around Wuhan in December.

    It reminds me very much of all those 1980s articles claiming AIDS was a heterosexual disease that had nothing to do with extremely promiscuous sodomy.

    The following is the only statement about covid that is true. This new Black Plague that’s going to kill us all has resulted in half the flu deaths than the 2017-18 and 2028-19 flu seasons. It’s not a Plague. It’s just a mild flu season. And classifying an 85 year old already in hospice care as a Covid death is just a scam to get the recovery money.

    The mass media Covid hoax and the state government lockdowns have some evil purpose. We just don’t know what they are yet.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
  433. Half Back says:
    @Ozymandias

    Like Jeremygg5, one denial and that’s that. Move along nothing to see here. Sar/

    The reason why the Pentagoon deny the report is because the gig is up and logically it leaves the US weapon attack as highly feasible. This is the second deny now and you know when they deny it twice officially, it’s got to be true.

  434. Anonymous[253] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    He was not a virologist, unlike professor Montagnier who co-discovered HIV (Human Immunodeficiency Virus) and received a Nobel prize.

    Montagnier is not a nanotechnologist, unlike Prof. Lieber, who pioneered nanotech for use in detecting viruses. Lieber’s work enabled China to detect the bioweapon attack relatively early and mitigated the damage. The virus was supposed to spread much more widely and cause much more economic damage before being detected and contained by China.

    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2004/10/sensor-detects-identifies-single-viruses/

    Two of the world’s biggest threats may someday be reduced by wires thousands of times thinner than a hair but capable of detecting a single virus. The specter of worldwide viral epidemics is always with us, so detecting them quickly offers the possibility of saving thousands of lives. The pathogens also can be stealthy biological weapons, making their positive detection a vital national defense requirement.

    “We want to find a single virus before it finds you,” says Charles Lieber, Hyman Professor of Chemistry at Harvard University. Tests recently completed in his laboratory show that these unimaginably thin nanowires can sense and distinguish between viruses that cause flu, measles, and eye infections. Lieber believes future versions will be able to spot HIV, Ebola, SARS, West Nile, hepatitis, bird flu, and other dangerous viruses.

    • Replies: @Sean
  435. Jeremygg5 says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    LOL. The F-117 is from 1981. Commies want to study our 18 year old technology to advance themselves. Same as it ever was.

    China Becomes Top Filer of International Patents in 2019

    With 58,990 applications filed in 2019 via WIPO’s Patent Cooperation Treaty (PCT) System, China ended the U.S. (57,840 applications in 2019) reign as the biggest user of the PCT System that helps incentivize and spread innovation – a position previously held by the U.S. each year since the PCT began operations in 1978.
    https://www.wipo.int/pressroom/en/articles/2020/article_0005.html

    I believe you got it in reverse….

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  436. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @vok3

    There you go. I just demolished your whole piece in 1% of the verbiage.

    See #199. If you skirt that evidence, then … well, you tell me.

  437. In my time the Empire has carpet bombed us with:

    Fear of the RED terror hiding under our beds.

    Fear of the MUSLIM terror hijacking us in the skies.

    And now, fear of the VIRUS terror lurking within.

    Fool me once, shame on you…..

    Fool me twice……. or thrice??????

    Wake up people, your country is less yours than you think!

  438. Hempus says:
    @Alden

    Thanks for this question! What most people and also most physician do not properly understand is that breathing is also an energy production “plant”. But to “use” energy it has to be transformed to be able to float further.

    I give you an example how produced energy cannot be used:
    If you have a cable drum, for example a 5 pin 380 voltage cable and you do not unfurl the cable and use it to run 5 spotlight each 2 KWh……after a while the electro magnetic field in the unfurled cable drum will become so strong that the energy is not able to float through the wire.

    The same happens also with your pc…if you just store the files and never delete them at some point the storage is full and any additional file (energy) makes your pc slow and slower..in the end there is blockage.

    Of course obesity is a king of stored energy. Energy which is not transformed into a movement.

    Thats why we love dance or even football so much because it is an art of transformation.
    Yes, untransformed “stored” energy is a problem for the breathing especially in situations of shock, stress and panic.

    But it is also very important to open the upper lobe’s of the lungs properly otherwise your diaphragm is quickly overloaded with centripetal static energy and blocks the ability to open the lungs easily.
    What all this sick people need is an intelligent gymnastic of the breathing muscles to be able to dance into their “inside” space.

    • LOL: utu
    • Replies: @Alden
  439. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Look who’s back, infecting another healthy discussion.

    Before interacting with this “Wizard of Oz” character, be aware that he/she/they often draw other commenters in with questions and requests that are seldom resolved to his/her/their satisfaction, or with cryptic insinuations that distract discussion.

    The same person also fuzzes up threads by pretending to be more than one commenter, the technique known as “sock puppetry.” See under Mr. Derbyshire’s February 15, 2019, article comment ## 28, 42, 43, 44, 68, 122, where he/she/they got sloppy also posting as “Anon[436].”

    Among this website’s oddest, sophisticatedly trollish commenters.

    • Thanks: FB
  440. Alden says:
    @Hempus

    I took anatomy in college. I remember a lot of it.

  441. CENSORSHIP & INTIMIDATION
    As I read my daily Lew Rockwell, I hit your article “Did the US use a bioterror weapon against China?” ………. or something like that because as I was reading it, it was taken down.
    This is the first time I have ever seen this — of course heard about it — but never experienced it.
    The article in Lew Rockwell was different than the one you publish on your site — therefore there was something ‘dangerous’.
    PLEASE REPUBLISH THAT ARTICLE HERE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Thanks,
    HolyRoller

    • Replies: @anonymous
  442. Jimsy says:

    These American Pravda articles by Ron Unz are great. I recently found an interview with Mr. Unz on the internet which readers might want to check out. The interviewer is George Galloway, the former MP, and it’s on Galloway’s Sputnik radio program, M.O.A.T.S.

    (Note: The interview starts about halfway through the program.)

    The author of these American Pravda articles which I’ve enjoyed speaks as smoothly and articulately as he writes — quite a talent. He reminds me in that way of his fellow Californian, the late Alexander Cockburn.

  443. Bolteric says:

    Mr. Unz has a new nickname: Spot-on Ron.

  444. Alden says:

    As of April 21, the worldwide deaths from Covid 19, are 177,496 out of a world wide population of 7 billion.

    That’s a fact, not speculation.

  445. PeterMX says:

    This is the first time I have read anything about the east Asian countries competent actions to stop the spread of the virus. None of the mainstream media meatheads have enough braincells to postulate that. I’m not sure why I didn’t think it myself. I’m aware they are highly competent regarding most things and I noticed Germany had few deaths for a long time and was doing a good job compared to many other countries but I think the fact the European Union has no borders anymore (until recently re-erecting them) and people can travel freely helped spread the virus in Europe and maybe I’m wrong but I tend to thnk European countries and the USA get more international visitors than many east Asian countries. I also think island nations like Japan and Great Britain are more insulated and should be able to counter the virus better except that Boris Johnson might be an idiot. According to someone he wanted to “immunize” the British by letting it spread.

    But Mr. Unz is correct. The east Asian countries fought the virus more competently too, that makes sense.. Simlarly, I’m sorry I have to say it but the fact that Italy and Spain led the world (after China) in victims so long does not surprise me at all. Those are two beautiful countries but if I had to pick 2 European countries that would not do well combatting the virus, they would be near the top of the list.

    But for a long time I couldn’t understand why all China’s neighbotrs had so few victims and Italy and Iran were the most infected, behind China, so when Gilad Atzmon’s article suggeted Isreal and/or the US may have deliberately spread it to Iran, that sounded plausible. I think if any country would do such a thing, it would be Israel. Unfortunately the US might too. The discussion regarding the bombing of the Chinese embassy in this article and many other things the US has done (lying about Iraq having WMD, etc.) shows that.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  446. Alden says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    The Haskell county Kansas flu later known as Spanish flu began in 1913. Haskell county is under one of the migratory bird routes from China. H1H1 came to San Diego from China.

    You don’t know any history Godfree You’re just an advertising man for the government of China.

    You’re no different from a J Walter Thompson AD campaign.

    As of today, 177,496 world wide deaths out of a population of 7 billion.

    It’s not a Plague. It’s a milder than usual flu season. Sone idiots claim it started in Wuhan China, the country all the plagues come from. Other idiots claim it was a plot by Donald Trump to create a Plague at Fort Detrick and sprinkle it around Wuhan during the Military games.

    You all are idiots. The mass media are idiots.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  447. Seraphim says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    Actually it should be Chi-coms bad, Americans worse.

    • Replies: @Gleimhart Mantooso
  448. @Wizard of Oz

    Watch this. It explains the virus for normies like us. It is simple and very precise.

  449. @Tor597

    I concede that this event has pushed most Americans into hating China, and that the elites have made out like bandits during this crisis. Also, I always thought that the CEO’s mass retiring was related to Epstein, but it being related to the Wuhan plague is an interesting theory.

    That said, I think there is a little bit of switching the goal posts going on here. If this was a bioweapon was the intention to:

    A. Suspend Chinese business and keep them hamstrung.

    or

    B. Sour the US public mood on China, as a prerequisite to prime the country for war.

    If theory A, then the plan has backfired, as US businesses have shut down too, and we don’t know at this point if the Chinese economy will suffer more than ours. Since the blowback to option A would have been totally foreseeable, then it seems like intention A is unlikely.

    For theory B, it’s possible, but seems like too costly of a way to push this forward. While some elites are profiting from the bailouts and will be predators that devour small businesses, a lot are taking a hit (albeit, they are suffering less than a blue collar worker). If the plan was to get us to go to war with China, why would we crash our economy, which would hamstring us from waging the most effective war we could against the Han menace?

    In short, I think Chinese incompetence lead to this plague being spread. Our evil ruling class is taking advantage of this situation, but they didn’t start it. I don’t see yet how this leads us to a war, but this could still be the first inning of a nine inning game.

  450. @CanSpeccy

    This idea is debunked by the Cambridge geneological study, which provides a family tree for Covid19, all branches having a common origin.

    Yeah, and the Warren Commission proved that Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK.

    Does the Cambridge study really contradict what I wrote? No.

  451. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    Are all these deep state plotters so dis functional their virus didn’t work in China and east Asia?

    After a bit over ten years in the higher levels of the US bureaucracy, I can attest that the upper levels are utterly incompetent, and have been selected entirely for their ability to hold their jobs. The little competence needed to keep routine things running in their respective areas of responsibility has been contracted out, and the bureau have lost their core competencies several decades ago. The utterly incompetent attempt to impeach Trump is actually typical of their usual level of performance.

    So while I do not comment on the existence of “deep state plotters” or on any biowarfare projects, I can say that, should such a project have existed, it would (like all Federal projects) have been organized and supervised by “dis functional” plotters.

  452. @Tsar Nicholas

    How do you then explain this massive spike in total daily deaths in regions of Italy affected by the coronavirus?

    https://voxeu.org/article/covid-19-italy-analysis-death-registry-data?qt-quicktabs_cepr_policy_research=0

    At its peak the total deaths showed a three fold increase over the same period in previous years. They sure aren’t dying in car accidents with the lockdown in force.

    • Replies: @Tsar Nicholas
    , @glib
  453. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    So why the historic underperformance of China? Serious question. A government with absolute power but staffed by a high-IQ bureaucracy that apparently used its Confucian ritual based government largely for self defeating elaborate scams does not sound capable of sustaining industrial society. The actual industries are just too dangerous to support such a bureaucracy, as Soviet and post WW II Chinese activity shows.
    Take a look at the “particulate matter” report on http://www.ventusky.com .
    Consider that primary production of PVC in the US was shut down decades back over the possibility of liver cancer, now takes place in China, and that a recent plant conversion to produce PVC in the US required extra-ordinary precautions to protect the company from lawsuits (and possibly the employees from PVC), precautions that the Chinese are unlikely to have taken.

    So the IQ threat sounds serious, but it isn’t clear that it actually is serious.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  454. rm says:

    BillGates’ W H O Officially denying Covrt-19 as a bioweapon,
    deployed by deepstate,
    Raises the latest bookie odds that it is both,
    to 9/1.

  455. @AnonFromTN

    The obvious thing is, we need to know a lot more about potentially harmful viruses and bacteria, so that next time we are not caught with our pants down. A lot more scientific research is required for that, and this means a lot more funding for biomedical science.

    This quote – which might as well be called as the “parakeet response” – is the standard rationale that is presented to justify conducting the kind of bio-weapons research that is widely acknowledged as being so dangerous, especially the “gain of function” enhancement engineering, which had even been outlawed in the US for a period of time.

    Researchers in these areas of endeavor are afraid of possibly losing their jobs if there were a concerted public effort to strictly ban this kind of research altogether, as there should be, or at least subject it to very strict transparency and oversight, if it were more widely known that the new virus affecting the world had been enhanced in a lab.

    Therefore, any professional biologist working in this arena has a tacit interest in asserting a natural viral origin, notwithstanding the already published facts, and thus to participate in a cover-up. So they are afraid to speak out, a phenomenon we have seen before with regard to the HIV-Hoax that the medical and pharmaceutical establishment went along with.

    Remember the common mantra you just saw above: “a lot more funding“. Translation: We want more money!

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  456. UK says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Your fictional stats versus the UN’S HDI rankings with which China agrees?

  457. UK says:
    @glib

    Your methodology is impeccable. It will certainly suffice to handwave away the UN’s HDI figures with which China agrees…

  458. @Godfree Roberts

    Well, thanks for an interesting read though you didn’t even try to answer my question.

    I suspect that your guess is about right but I have just sent our host and a couple of contributors reason (I hope) to look into the need for sleep which was recently dealt with by Dr Michael Mosley in a TV program which was pretty inadequate by his standards. I hypothesize that need for sleep – so far as concerns cognitive functions – is normally distributed. Despite what we think we know about Ronald Reagan I would suppose that most successful politicians need to be able to function well on little sleep and it stands to reason that successful wartime generals would be short sleepers. It would be interesting to know too if there are multi millionaire plumbers and electricians who work 100 hours a week… And what about racial/ethnic differences? Ron Unz’s theorizing in the 80s about the Chinese peasantry might reasonably be extended to their need for sleep.

  459. JHB says:

    I think President Trump embarrassed Xi in trade negotiations as Trump’s administration was the first to push back as hard as it did. Add to that large protests in Wuhan and Hong Kong which threatened the government. Chinese warfare has always been about deception and asymmetrical attack. Cultivate a natural virus at Wuhan lab, “accidentally” let it loose, and you teach your own people (the protesters), and the US a hard lesson. Letting it hit their own people gives them deniability. The Chinese are fully responsible here. This is the first shot from China in a new type of war with the US. The US didn’t do this. The development that the US did this is pure propaganda.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Jiminy
  460. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    Thanks for explaining, as the article omitted to for obvious reasons, that Lieber’s research had such a direct bearing to the coronavirus. Ethnic Chinese and their actual nationals are involved in cutting edge research in the US, plus the Chinese pay US scientists to come and set up labs in China. Sounds like technology transfer of a type that would not be permitted for one second if Russia was behind it to me. Lieber certainly ensured that the US did not have a technological edge over China in virus tech. Do you think that wise? A missile shield is not purely defensive but has a obvious offensive application. I have no sympathy for Lieber at all.

    It is now obvious why this UNZ article was coy about what bearing Lieber’s research had on the COVID-19 pathogen and epidemic. Pretending that China has not retaliated and calling it the Western deaths and disruption “blowback” is a way of avoiding the ire that would be directed at anyone appearing rather glad that China has foiled the evil plan of the conspiracy controlling Western policy. Lieber gave them the means to detect, contain and redirect. To believe that COVID-19 originated as a US bioweapon attack on China is to know beyond any shadow of a doubt that China has retaliated and the current deaths in the West are the deliberate intentional bio weapon counter strike work of China. The objective of China’s bioweapon attack on America is to prevent Trump being re elected so that China can continue to grow in economic power and technological expertise at the expense of the US.

    • Replies: @FB
  461. Would someone please tell me which test will absolutely, positively prove that you are infected with the virus called Sars-Cov-2 a/k/a COVID-19 a/k/a the Coronavirus ? Thank you.

    • Replies: @Been_there_done_that
  462. @vot tak

    Oh comrade, don’t be so hard on your dear leader.

  463. Tor597 says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    You forgot that when white people came to the Americas they brought small poxn and other diseases and wiped out an entire race of people.

    Maybe China should give a couple of casinos to whites for reparations and call it even.

  464. @Mustapha Mond

    Is it really hurting China’s image in the world? It has boosted it, not hurt it, as far as I can see. It’s America’s that’s been hurt, isn’t it?

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @aandrews
    , @Mustapha Mond
  465. @Tor597

    “Why are all the Anglo countries running so many simulations on what actually happened but failing so spectacularly” because drills and predictive programming/social conditioning are a necessary part of any psyop and they are a part of it see, for example “How to create a fake pandemic”jamesfetzer.org
    merriam-webster.com : Corona – something suggesting a crown

  466. Half Back says:

    https://orientalreview.org/2020/04/22/covid-19-has-a-grandma-grandpa-and-great-grandpa-where-are-they/

    “It is inconceivable that Ambassador Zhang spoke without the knowledge of Beijing. Significantly, the Chinese envoy chose the Russian state news agency Tass for making some startling disclosures. According to the ambassador,

    Five top Chinese scientific organisations have collected the data 93 genome specimens of COVID-19 that have been published in a global database based on inputs from 12 countries on four different continents.
    The research has shown that the Covid-19’s earliest “ancestor” is a virus known as mv1, which subsequently evolved into haplotypes H13 and H38. (A haplotype is a group of genes within an organism that was inherited together from a single parent.)
    In turn, H13 and H38 evolved into a second-generation haplotype — H3 — which subsequently involved into H1 (Covid-19).
    That is to say, in plain terms, Covid-19’s “father” is H3; its “grandparents” are H13 and H38; and, its “great grandfather” is mv1.
    Now, although the virus that was discovered in the Wuhan seafood market (Covid-19) was of the H1 variety alright, only its “father” H3 has been spotted in Wuhan — and that too, NOT in the seafood market.
    Importantly, the Covid-19’s “grandparents” — H13 and H38 — have never been spotted in Wuhan.
    Meanwhile, there are tell-tale signs. Thus, Ambassador Zhang recounted:

    A married couple from Japan contracted Covid-19 while in Hawaii (where the US Pacific base is located) sometime between January 28 and February 3, although they had not visited China or had come into contact with any Chinese person. Notably, the husband had symptoms by February 3.
    The media reported that Covid-19 has first appeared in Lombardy in northern Italy as early as January 1.
    According to the renowned Italian medical specialist Giuseppe Remuzzi, the Covid-19 epidemic in Italy had begun spreading even before it started in China.
    The well-known American virologist Robert Redfield — currently the Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (the leading national public health institute of the US and a federal agency) and the Administrator of the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (a a federal public health agency based in Atlanta, Georgia) — has speculated that the large number of flu deaths in the US could have in fact been caused by COVID-19, but the US did not test for it at that time. (An estimated 80,000 Americans died of flu and its complications last winter.)
    Shockingly enough, Italy wanted to trace the first infection case of Covid-19 by conducting an exhumation in the US of so-called flu victims, by the US has flatly refused permission.

    However, contemporary science and technology is well-equipped to trace the trail of Covid-19 and it is absolutely certain that “sooner or later, the day will come when everything that’s been concealed will be revealed.” (Ambassador Zhang)

    Interestingly, since the appearance of Ambassador Zhang’s interview with the Tass, President Trump has calibrated his previous allegation of Chinese complicity and mala fide intentions. Whereas Trump had pointedly threatened Beijing with retribution, he has since moderated his stance and said on Saturday at a media briefing at the White House:

    “You know, the question was asked, “Would you be angry at China?” Well, the answer might very well be a very resounding “yes,” but it depends: Was it a mistake that got out of control or was it done deliberately? Okay? That’s a big difference between those two. In either event, they should have let us go in. You know, we asked to go in very early, and they didn’t want us in. I think they were embarrassed. I think they knew it was something bad, and I think they were embarrassed.”

    Trump no longer alleges culpability on China’s part. It’s no longer an open and shut case, either. Presumably, it’s now negotiable. Trump spoke only two days after Ambassador Zhang’s interview appeared.

    Clearly, the Chinese diplomat hinted that the trail of Covid-19 can and will be scientifically traced. Trump will have a serious problem if it transpires that Covid-19’s grandma, grandpa and great grandpa are actually domiciled in the US.

    • Replies: @Inst
  467. Private lawsuits against China in the multi-trillion-dollar range have already been filed by rightwing activists and Republican senators Tom Cotton and Lindsey Graham have raised similar governmental demands.

    How much compensation should Iraq demand from the US for the over one million Iraqi deaths directly caused by the war based on lies? The war was arrogantly named Operation Iraqi Freedom (later — equally arrogantly for a country that was destroyed) changed to Operation New Dawn. Here there is zero speculative bullshit of cause and effect. Nothing compared to the extensive speculations on the nature, epidemiology and origins of SARS-CoV-2. Our country criminally invaded and destroyed another country, Iraq in a totally unprovoked manner. Period. The same idiots pressing for a multi-trillion dollar suit against China over Covid would be happily ensconced in the United States of Amnesia and plead total ignorance and innocence.

  468. Inst says:

    Extreme claims require extreme evidence. The thing with conspiracy theories is, what if they’re true? Then, well, more often than not, nothing happens, because you can’t do anything about it. I’d normally say that this is for the historians to find out, but you have to consider, the sheer heinousness of the crime (an attempted genocide? a massive biowarfare attack?) means that, if your accusations are true, the archives have probably been destroyed.

    The lab leaks, by the way, courtesy British genomicists, are highly improbable. The strains of Covid-19 floating around show that the archetypal versions of the virus spread are more seen in Guangzhou, not Wuhan itself, which is also counter-evidence for the Wuhan biowarfare attack claim.

    How the Chinese come out of this basically depends on the severity of the outbreak in the United States, and to a lesser extent, Europe. The Chinese have mostly locked themselves up almost completely, with Harbin recently under the hammer in an attempt to control coronavirus spread, so while it’s possible that a (follow-up) biowarfare attack could trigger chaos in China, it’s also quite likely that China has this under control. In contrast, in Europe and the United States, the coronavirus is not under control. The economic damage to services-based economies will be huge from the decline in manufacturing, and the Saudi-Russian hit on oil is crashing the American fracking sector.

    ===

    The biggest argument against a biowarfare hit is that SARS is quite controllable, because its R0 is low. COVID-19, in contrast, seems to have a massive R0, which means it has an uncontrolled spread, and more importantly, uncontrolled spread leads to uncontrolled mutation. SARS-COV-2 has been shown to attack T-Cells already, but not replicate within them, which indicates that there is a not infinitesimal possibility that SARS-COV-2 will mutate to something approximating respiratory AIDS. Moreover, while Remdesivir has shown strong effectiveness in controlling COVID-19 (if you trust Gilead’s leaks, and they’re rumored to be falsified), further spread implies further evolution which can render the “antidote” useless.

    ===

    The closest you’ll get to confirmation of your thesis is if, first, that your thesis is actually true, which I doubt, and second, if the US gets very badly hit by COVID-19, and someone involved in the biowarfare leakage has an attack of conscience and pulls a Snowden. Short of that, you can say what you want, but your claim is impossible to confirm.

  469. @Gleimhart Mantooso

    The words “limited hangout” also come to mind.

  470. denk says:
    @denk

    Who’r behind the Mh370 disappearance ?

    Another war game turned live ???

    April 1st, 2014 – Not An April Fool’s Day Joke – MH 370 – A Sinister Tragedy In the Fog of Coincidence? – Military Exercises “Cobra Gold” and “Cope Tiger”

    https://abeldanger.blogspot.com/2014/04/april-1st-2014-not-april-fools-day-joke.html

    • Replies: @denk
    , @Wizard of Oz
  471. @Aleksander

    And that vaccine does not even have to work. But it will accomplish the desired end.

  472. “but they are now found in the respectable pages of my morning New York Times and Wall Street Journal.”

    Sorry Ron, but I stopped reading at this point.

    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
  473. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @HolyRoller

    Might the article be “Was Coronavirus a Biowarfare Attack Against China?” by OldMicrobiologist, published here at TUR on March 13?

    I used to daily read the Rockwell site, too, but not for at least a year. Too doctrinaire and relatively insubstantial. It was also apparent that a primary objective was to monetize the traffic, which might explain what you have reported.

  474. Seraphim says:
    @PeterMX

    Boris Johnson “might” be an idiot? The answer is blowing in the winds he breaks.

  475. FB says: • Website
    @Astuteobservor II

    You’re assuming ‘Blizzard of Shnozz’ is a ‘normie’…

    You’ll find out soon enough…LOL

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  476. John Day says: • Website

    Thank you for the thoughtful presentation, with gentle lead-in of historical context.
    I am a Family Physician, who did physiology research in college and med school, and who looks at the alternative sites for more credible news, ZH, The Automatic Earth, UNZ and many more, taking everything with a dollop of salt and awaiting corroboration.
    Let me raise some issues about viral mutation. RNA viruses mutate rather freely compared to DNA viruses, This one has some corrective mechanisms to reduce that, but it still mutates an RNA building block molecule every 2 weeks or so. Some sites have been tracking this family of mutations over space and time, creating and publishing a viral family tree. China is interested in this.
    Here is an article in the South China Morning Post about the findings of a Chinese researcher, tracking this family of mutating virus, but first let me say that people always fear a virus mutating to More Virulent. If the virus starts at maximum virulence, it can only mutate to Less Virulent. An “arsonist” could be certain of this.
    Also, the oral polio vaccine is a “live attenuated virus”, grown in cell culture for thousands of generations, and selected for a mutated form that causes a very mild (usually) infection, but confers immunity. A state-actor seeding infection abroad could simultaneously seed the “vaccine virus” at home. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3080771/coronavirus-mutations-affect-deadliness-strains-chinese-study
    Li took an unusual approach to investigate the virus mutation. She analysed the viral strains isolated from 11 randomly chosen Covid-19 patients from Hangzhou in the eastern province of Zhejiang, and then tested how efficiently they could infect and kill cells.
    The deadliest mutations in the Zhejiang patients had also been found in most patients across Europe, while the milder strains were the predominant varieties found in parts of the United States, such as Washington state, according to their paper.

    • Thanks: Half Back
  477. @Astuteobservor II

    “ normies like us”

    Well, that explains it.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  478. @Jus' Sayin'...

    Spanish flu came from a fort in Kansas where the first US troops came from that were sent to WW1.
    They had been vaccinated with a horse vaccine made by Rockerfeller in NYC, the genesis of the big pharm we know today. Named Spanish flu because the Spainiards were not fighting in WW1, and their journalists were allowed to print what was happening in their own country. US late in WW1 by three years, late arriving in WW2 by three years, 10 years of World wars and US in only 4 of f those years, after all the hard fighting was done!!! Just sayin!!

    • Replies: @Poco
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
  479. @Commentator Mike

    Off the top of my head I can’t explain it. Spikes which appear suddenly and then fall away are often the result of delayed data being processed, and you need to compare the deaths that week to other weeks in other years when matters have been equally bad, but no CV was around. February is still flu season.

    I can tell you however that it is being accepted that more of the excess deaths in the UK are due to factors other than Covid-1984.

    We are in the fifth week of lockdown in Britain and this means that the fruits of not treating people for other serious diseases – stroke, heart attacks, cancer, kidney infections, serious dental problems and so on – are now showing up in the death statistics.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  480. I knew an article like the one published by arstechnica.com would eventually come about.

    ‘CDC’s failed coronavirus tests were tainted with coronavirus, feds confirm’

    “Now, according to investigation results reported by The New York Times, federal officials confirm that sloppy laboratory practices at two of three CDC labs involved in the tests’ creation led to contamination of the tests and their uninterpretable results.”

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/04/cdcs-failed-coronavirus-tests-were-tainted-with-coronavirus-feds-confirm/

    Ron, has a great ability for analyzing data. However, if the numbers he used in making predictions are corrupted, Unz’s entire analysis of saved lives in California, for example, is simply incorrect. What other credentialed analysis is wrong? Why is anyone giving any sort of credibility to the CDC, WHO, Fauci, Gates, and many of the other talking heads that are implementing tyrannical policies for a Corporate-Government (a.k.a. Fascist) union?

    Corona’s resulting global lock down isn’t bio-warfare blow back. This is global social engineering for the benefit of the Oligarch class. Considering that everyone now, for the most part, is engaging in social distancing, the Kakistocracy knows now that they can manipulate world populations in any direction they desire.

  481. Inst says:
    @Half Back

    This is very good, but needs further validation. I’ve said in my general comment that what actually happened with SARS-COV-2 is likely to be for historians, but it might be possible that, as genomicists at Cambridge and other places work this out, we’ll get enough evidence to figure out exactly where this thing came from.

  482. @iSmellBagels

    As Mark Twain is reported to have said, if you don’t read newspapers you are uninformed and if you do read newspapers you are misinformed.

  483. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @JHB

    Uncle Sam loves you, too.

    If you’re neither offering nor addressing any discrete evidence, why should anyone else value your opinion?

  484. FB says: • Website
    @Sean

    As usual your IDIOCY tops every whacko on UNZ…

    Let’s rewind the tape…

    You were at first completely ignorant of Lieber’s work in nanofibers for detecting viruses…

    Then, after an anonymous commenter enlightened you…you have immediately zoomed to absurd Munchausian conclusions that China has just committed a bio warfare ‘counterstrike’…facilitated by Lieber’s ‘treachery’…

    And all this because he’s a Harvard scientist, who, like every scientist on earth, corresponds and works with fellow scientists of every nationality…?

    Your madness is really one of the most entertaining aspects of this website…please do not stop…LOL

    • Replies: @Sean
  485. @Franklin Ryckaert

    I’m not one for switching horses mid-stream. The point at hand is that Ron Unz is claiming that Asia did a commendable job in locking down when they did. Simultaneously he is claiming that the gaining of herd immunity is the wrong approach to this virus.
    The epidemiologist, Dr. Knut Wittkowski maintains that the lockdown in Asia happened after the populace was exposed to the virus and allowed to gain herd immunity.
    Dr. Wittkowski is not disproven because I do not know what all the Chinese government had in mind in locking down.

  486. FB says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    I guess you’ve never heard of a T cell, Einstein…?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  487. @anon8383892

    Either this (what you are saying regarding the possibility of Covid19 being engineered) is bullshit, or the data we’ve been reading/watching from i.e. Cottrell, Webb, the Indian academics etc regarding the Covid19 genome are bullshit.

    I did not read these papers, but if they actually claim what you say they do, I won’t. Here is why.
    Virus is a machine that executes a coherent program of entering the cell, hijacking cellular machinery to reproduce its genome and make its proteins, packaging new viral particles, and releasing them (usually from bursting cell). Virus cannot afford to have anything not absolutely necessary for this, or miss anything that is necessary.

    HIV is a lentivirus, whereas the current one is a coronavirus. These types of viruses have very different life cycles (here is brief info on lenti https://www.researchgate.net/figure/General-life-cycle-of-retrovirus-lentivirus-The-lentivirus-life-cycle-is-schematically_fig2_236078603; here on corona: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4369385/)

    The life cycle of lentiviruses and coronaviruses are very different. So, making a genome hybrid between these kinds has about the same chance of producing something functional as connecting the parts of your dishwasher with parts of your car. Or, if you prefer a biological simile, as grafting a horse leg onto a squirrel.

  488. aandrews says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    You mean, by the way the morons in charge have criminally mishandled this mess?