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Back in 1999 I was invited to join Steve Sailer’s HBD email group, where I encountered all sorts of interesting people. The participants were mostly intellectuals or journalists having sharply heterodox views about racial differences, especially those involving IQ and crime, and this was reflected in the somewhat euphemistic title, which stood for “Human Bio-Diversity.” A reasonable sense of the controversial roster is that less than a year earlier a founding member named Glayde Whitney had contributed the Foreword to David Duke’s 700 page opus My Awakening.

Although the discussions were intended to focus on scientific matters, it sometimes seemed that half the heated arguments revolved around immigration, and on that highly contentious topic, I was invariably outnumbered around 99-to-1, with even the handful of self-proclaimed liberals regularly ranging themselves against me. Despite such apparently long odds, I regarded myself as always victorious in all those endless debates, though I would have to admit that 99% of the audience probably would have disagreed with my verdict.

Particularly contentious was the question of Hispanic immigrant crime rates, which I claimed were roughly the same as those of whites, a position that virtually all those professors and authors denounced as utter lunacy. That particular dispute went on for so many years that eventually I no longer even bothered to argue the case, but just every now and then provided some satirical jibes on the topic.

As it happens, the late J. Philippe Rushton, longtime professor of Psychology at the University of Western Ontario, was a very occasional participant, and one of my jokes happened to catch his eye. Being a bit on the humorless side, he failed to comprehend that my remarks were actually tongue-in-cheek, and after three or four explanatory exchanges, I was finally forced to state my position as explicitly as possible: “Hispanics have approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age.” He found my claim totally astonishing, saying that it contradicted absolutely everything he had learned about the topic and even threatened to overturn his entire ideological world-view, which he had so painstakingly built up over his previous thirty years of scientific investigation into human racial differences. Therefore, he said I couldn’t possibly be right.

Now Rushton was then widely regarded as being the world’s foremost White Nationalist academic scholar, and he was basically saying that he would eat his own hat if my contradictory racial analysis proved correct. Such an intellectual challenge was just too tempting for me to resist, so I took a brief hiatus from my ongoing software project to work out the crime numbers.

Sure enough, the quantitative results came out exactly the way I knew they would, and I was quite pleased with my resulting cover story “The Myth of Hispanic Crime” that ran in the March 2010 issue of The American Conservative. Not only did my detailed analysis eventually win over Prof. Rushton and most of my more thoughtful critics, but it also sparked an enormous Internet debate, and probably had widespread influence. I was puzzled at the time that such simple calculations had not previously been undertaken by America’s vast army of pro-immigrant academics and journalists, and could only wonder whether they had deliberately avoided investigating the issue for fear that the claims of their anti-immigrant opponents would prove entirely correct. Regardless of the cause, for years afterward whenever I Googled “Hispanic Crime” or “Latino Crime”, the search engine would turn up many tens of millions of web pages, but my own article was generally listed in the top five or six results, quite often in the top two or three. Even today, nearly a decade later, copies of my article still rank remarkably high in such searches on Google, Bing, and DuckDuckGo.

Was my controversial analysis actually correct? Well, when I moved to Palo Alto in 1992, neighboring East Palo Alto had America’s highest per capita murder rate, which obviously made people here rather nervous. But then over the next 25 years, a vast flood of Hispanic immigrants, both legal and illegal, swept into the region, and the city became overwhelmingly Latino and immigrant. Perhaps coincidentally, the homicide rate fell by some 99%, with the last two years marred by only a single killing, a murder-suicide involving a couple of elderly white lesbians, while all other crime rates have also plummeted. Palo Alto is home to the CEOs of Google, Facebook, Apple, and numerous other leading tech companies, so perhaps rightwing activists should be less than totally mystified why their anti-immigrant zealotry has generally fallen on rather deaf ears within the Silicon Valley business community.

 

Although immigration and Hispanic crime were perennial topics in that HBD group, for a few years after the 9/11 attacks the latter issue was almost entirely displaced by feverish exchanges on Muslim terrorism and the accompanying Clash of Civilizations. Once again, I was invariably on the short end of a 99-to-1 divide, with nearly all the others in the group claiming that destruction of the World Trade Center conclusively proved that we needed to close our borders to foreign immigrants. I pointed out that since the Arab hijackers involved hadn’t been immigrants, but had generally entered our country on tourist visas, maybe the “War on Terrorism” should be renamed the “War on Tourism,” and we should protect America by completely closing our borders to the horrifying risks of the latter. Yet everyone ignored my sage advice.

The 9/11 attacks themselves had astonished me as much as everyone else on the HBD list, but aside from carefully reading the developing story in the New York Times and my other morning newspapers, I was too busy with my work to otherwise follow the topic. At first, everyone seemed certain that there would soon be a wave of follow-up attacks by the dozens or perhaps even hundreds of other Islamic terrorists remaining in our country, but nothing like that ever happened. After a few weeks had gone by without any further explosions, even small ones, I told the other HBD listmembers that I now strongly suspected that every last Al Qaeda terrorist in America had probably died in the suicide attacks of September 11th, and there wasn’t a single remaining operative left behind to commit further mayhem. Many of the others disagreed with me, but as the months and years went by, my surprising hypothesis turned out to be correct.

There was one important exception to this pattern, but it actually served to confirm the rule. As I wrote a few years ago in my original “American Pravda” article:

Consider the almost forgotten anthrax mailing attacks in the weeks after 9/11, which terrified our dominant East Coast elites and spurred passage of the unprecedented Patriot Act, thereby eliminating many traditional civil-libertarian protections. Every morning during that period the New York Times and other leading newspapers carried articles describing the mysterious nature of the deadly attacks and the complete bafflement of the FBI investigators. But evenings on the Internet I would read stories by perfectly respectable journalists such as Salon’s Laura Rozen or the staff of the Hartford Courant providing a wealth of additional detail and pointing to a likely suspect and motive.

Although the letters carrying the anthrax were purportedly written by an Arab terrorist, the FBI quickly determined that the language and style indicated a non-Arab author, while tests pointed to the bioweapons research facility at Ft. Detrick, Md., as the probable source of the material. But just prior to the arrival of those deadly mailings, military police at Quantico, Va., had also received an anonymous letter warning that a former Ft. Detrick employee, Egyptian-born Dr. Ayaad Assaad, might be planning to launch a national campaign of bioterrorism. Investigators quickly cleared Dr. Assaad, but the very detailed nature of the accusations revealed inside knowledge of his employment history and the Ft. Detrick facilities. Given the near-simultaneous posting of anthrax envelopes and false bioterrorism accusations, the mailings almost certainly came from the same source, and solving the latter case would be the easiest means of catching the anthrax killer.

Who would have attempted to frame Dr. Assaad for bioterrorism? A few years earlier he had been involved in a bitter personal feud with a couple of his Ft. Detrick coworkers, including charges of racism, official reprimands, and angry recriminations all around. When an FBI official shared a copy of the accusatory letter with a noted language-forensics expert and allowed him to compare the text with the writings of 40 biowarfare lab employees, he found a perfect match with one of those individuals. For years I told my friends that anyone who spent 30 minutes with Google could probably determine the name and motive of the likely anthrax killer, and most of them successfully met my challenge.

This powerful evidence received almost no attention in the major national media, nor is there any indication that the FBI ever followed up on any of these clues or interrogated the named suspects. Instead, investigators attempted to pin the attacks on a Dr. Steven Hatfill based on negligible evidence, after which he was completely exonerated and won a $5.6 million settlement from the government for its years of severe harassment. Later, similar hounding of researcher Bruce Ivins and his family led to his suicide, after which the FBI declared the case closed, even though former colleagues of Dr. Ivins demonstrated that he had had no motive, means, or opportunity. In 2008, I commissioned a major 3,000-word cover story in my magazine summarizing all of this crucial evidence, and once again almost no one in the mainstream media paid the slightest attention.

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Unlike the 9/11 attacks themselves, I had closely followed the Anthrax terrorism, and was shocked by the strange silence of the government investigators and our leading newspapers. At the time, I generally assumed that the attacks were totally unconnected with 9/11 and merely opportunistic, but I simply couldn’t understand how a few minutes a day of reading Salon and the Hartford Courant on the web could seemingly solve the front-page mystery that was baffling everyone at the FBI and the New York Times. It was around that point when I first started to wonder whether the elite media publications I had always relied upon were merely “Our American Pravda” under a different name. Moreover, a 2014 book by Prof. Graeme MacQueen that I only very recently discovered has made a reasonably persuasive case that the Anthrax killings were intimately connected to the 9/11 attacks themselves, greatly magnifying the malfeasance of our media elites.

 

In theoretical physics, new scientific breakthroughs often occur when known objects are found to behave in inexplicable ways, thereby suggesting the existence of previously unsuspected forces or particles. In evolutionary biology, when an organism appears to be acting against its own genetic interests, we may safely assume that it has probably fallen under the control of some other entity, typically a parasite, which has hijacked the host and is directing its activities toward different ends. While I couldn’t be entirely sure what was happening to the politics and media of my own country, something very odd and disturbing was certainly taking place.

Things soon became much worse. Since the 9/11 attacks had apparently been organized by Osama bin Laden and he was based in Afghanistan under Taliban protection, our attack on that country at least seemed rational. But suddenly there also soon appeared talk of attacking Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, which made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

At first I couldn’t believe what was taking place, simply awed by the breathtaking power and dishonesty of “our American Pravda,” with the establishment media so easily transforming black into white and night into day. Once again, quoting from my original article of that title:

The circumstances surrounding our Iraq War demonstrate this, certainly ranking it among the strangest military conflicts of modern times. The 2001 attacks in America were quickly ascribed to the radical Islamists of al-Qaeda, whose bitterest enemy in the Middle East had always been Saddam Hussein’s secular Baathist regime in Iraq. Yet through misleading public statements, false press leaks, and even forged evidence such as the “yellowcake” documents, the Bush administration and its neoconservative allies utilized the compliant American media to persuade our citizens that Iraq’s nonexistent WMDs posed a deadly national threat and required elimination by war and invasion. Indeed, for several years national polls showed that a large majority of conservatives and Republicans actually believed that Saddam was the mastermind behind 9/11 and the Iraq War was being fought as retribution. Consider how bizarre the history of the 1940s would seem if America had attacked China in retaliation for Pearl Harbor.

True facts were easily available to anyone paying attention in the years after 2001, but most Americans do not bother and simply draw their understanding of the world from what they are told by the major media, which overwhelmingly—almost uniformly—backed the case for war with Iraq; the talking heads on TV created our reality. Prominent journalists across the liberal and conservative spectrum eagerly published the most ridiculous lies and distortions passed on to them by anonymous sources, and stampeded Congress down the path to war.

The result was what my late friend Lt. Gen. Bill Odom rightly called the “greatest strategic disaster in United States history.” American forces suffered tens of thousands of needless deaths and injuries, while our country took a huge step toward national bankruptcy. Economics Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz and others have estimated that with interest the total long-term cost of our two recent wars may reach as high as $5 or $6 trillion, or as much as $50,000 per American household, mostly still unpaid. Meanwhile, economist Edward Wolff has calculated that the Great Recession and its aftermath cut the personal net worth of the median American household to $57,000 in 2010 from a figure nearly twice as high three years earlier. Comparing these assets and liabilities, we see that the American middle class now hovers on the brink of insolvency, with the cost of our foreign wars being a leading cause.

But no one involved in the debacle ultimately suffered any serious consequences, and most of the same prominent politicians and highly paid media figures who were responsible remain just as prominent and highly paid today. For most Americans, reality is whatever our media organs tell us, and since these have largely ignored the facts and adverse consequences of our wars in recent years, the American people have similarly forgotten. Recent polls show that only half the public today believes that the Iraq War was a mistake.

Author James Bovard has described our society as an “attention deficit democracy,” and the speed with which important events are forgotten once the media loses interest might surprise George Orwell.

 

As President George W. Bush began inexorably moving America toward the Iraq War in 2002, I realized with a terrible sinking feeling that the notoriously pro-Israel Neocon zealots had somehow managed to seize control of the foreign policy of his administration, a situation I could never have imagined even in my worst nightmare.

Throughout the 1990s and even afterward, I’d been on very friendly terms with the Neocons in NYC and DC, working closely with them on issues relating to immigration and assimilation. Indeed, my December 1999 article “California and the End of White America” was not only one of the longest cover stories ever published in Commentary, their intellectual flagship, but had even been cited as the centerpiece of its annual fund-raising letter.

I and my other DC friends were well aware of the fanatical views most Neocons held on Israel and Middle Eastern policy, with their foreign policy obsessions being a regular staple of our jokes and ridicule. But since it seemed unimaginable that they would ever be given any authority in that sphere, their beliefs had seemed a relatively harmless eccentricity. After all, could anyone possibly imagine fanatical libertarians being placed in total control of the Pentagon, allowing them to immediately disband the American armed forces as a “statist institution”?

Moreover, the complete ideological triumph of the Neocons after the 9/11 attacks was all the more shocking given the crushing recent defeat they had suffered. During the 2000 presidential campaign, nearly all of the Neocons had aligned themselves with Sen. John McCain, whose battle with Bush for the Republican nomination had eventually turned quite bitter, and as a consequence, they had been almost totally frozen out of high-level appointments. Both Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld were then widely regarded as Bush Republicans, lacking any significant Neocon ties, and the same was true for all the other top administration figures such as Colin Powell, Condeleeza Rice, and Paul O’Neil. Indeed, the only Neoconservative offered a Cabinet spot was Linda Chavez, and not only was the Labor Department always regarded as something of a boobie prize in a GOP Administration, but she was ultimately forced to withdraw her nomination due to her “nanny problems.” The highest-ranking Neocon serving under Bush was Rumsfeld Deputy Paul Wolfowitz, whose seemingly inconsequential appointment had passed without any notice.

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Most of the Neocons themselves certainly seemed to recognize the catastrophic loss they had suffered in the 2000 election. Back in those days, I was on very friendly terms with Bill Kristol, and when I stopped by his office at the Weekly Standard for a chat in the spring of 2001, he seemed in a remarkably depressed state of mind. I remember that at one point, he took his head in his hands and wondered aloud whether it was time for him to just abandon the political battle, resigning his editorship and taking up a quiet post at a DC thinktank. Yet just eight or ten months later, he and his close allies were on their way to gaining overwhelming influence in our government. In an eerie parallel to the aftermath of Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s Lenin in Zurich, the totally fortuitous 9/11 attacks and the outbreak of war had suddenly allowed a small but committed ideological faction to seize control of a gigantic country.

A thorough account of the Neocons and their takeover of the Bush Administration in the aftermath of 9/11 is provided by Dr. Stephen J. Sniegoski in his 2008 book The Transparent Cabal, conveniently available on this website:

 

Oddly enough, for many years after 9/11, I paid very little attention to the details of the attacks themselves. I was entirely preoccupied with building my content-archiving software system, and with the little time I could spend on public policy matters, I was totally focused to the ongoing Iraq War disaster, as well as my terrible fears that Bush might at any moment suddenly extend the conflict to Iran. Despite Neocon lies shamelessly echoed by our corrupt media, neither Iraq nor Iran had had anything whatsoever to do with the 9/11 attacks, so those events gradually faded in my consciousness, and I suspect the same was true for most other Americans. Al Qaeda had largely disappeared and Bin Laden was supposedly hiding in a cave somewhere. Despite endless Homeland Security “threat alerts,” there had been absolutely no further Islamic terrorism on American soil, and relatively little anywhere else outside the Iraq charnel house. So the precise details of the 9/11 plots had become almost irrelevant to me.

Others I knew seemed to feel the same way. Virtually all the exchanges I had with my old friend Bill Odom, the three-star general who had run the NSA for Ronald Reagan, had concerned the Iraq War and risk it might spread to Iran, as well as the bitter anger he felt toward Bush’s perversion of his beloved NSA into an extra-constitutional tool of domestic espionage. When the New York Times broke the story of the massive extent of domestic NSA spying, Gen. Odom declared that President Bush should be impeached and NSA Director Michael Hayden court-martialed. But in all the years prior to his untimely passing in 2008, I don’t recall the 9/11 attacks themselves even once coming up as a topic in our discussions.

During those same years, I’d also grown quite friendly with Alexander Cockburn, whose Counterpunch webzine seemed a very rare center of significant opposition to our disastrous foreign policy towards Iraq and Iran. I do recall that he once complained to me in 2006 about the “conspiracy nuts” of the 9/11 Truth movement who were endlessly harassing his publication, and I extended my sympathies. Each of us move in different political circles, and that brief reference may have been the first and only time I heard of the 9/11 Truthers during that period, causing me to regard them more like an eccentric UFO cult than anything else.

Admittedly, I’d occasionally heard of some considerable oddities regarding the 9/11 attacks here and there, and these certainly raised some suspicions. Most days I would glance at the Antiwar.com front page, and it seemed that some Israeli Mossad agents had been caught while filming that plane attacks in NYC, while a much larger Mossad “art student” spy operation around the country had also been broken up around the same time. Apparently, FoxNews had even broadcast a multi-part series on the latter topic before that expose was scuttled and “disappeared” under ADL pressure.

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Although I wasn’t entirely sure about the credibility of those claims, it did seem plausible that Mossad had known of the attacks in advance and allowed them to proceed, recognizing the huge benefits that Israel would derive from the anti-Arab backlash. I think I was vaguely aware that Antiwar.com editorial director Justin Raimondo had published The Terror Enigma, a short book about some of those strange facts, bearing the provocative subtitle “9/11 and the Israeli Connection,” but I never considered reading it. In 2007, Counterpunch itself published a fascinating follow-up story about the arrest of that group of Israeli Mossad agents in NYC, who were caught filming and apparently celebrating the plane attacks on that fateful day, and the Mossad activity seemed to be far larger than I had previously realized. But all these details remained a little fuzzy in my mind next to my overriding concerns about wars in Iraq and Iran.

 

However, by the end of 2008 my focus had begun to change. Bush was leaving office without having started an Iranian war, and America had successfully dodged the bullet of an even more dangerous John McCain administration. I assumed that Barack Obama would be a terrible president and he proved worse than my expectations, but I still breathed a huge sigh of relief every day that he was in the White House.

Moreover, around that same time I’d stumbled across an astonishing detail of the 9/11 attacks that demonstrated the remarkable depths of my own ignorance. In a Counterpunch article, I’d discovered that immediately following the attacks, the supposed terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden had publicly denied any involvement, even declaring that no good Muslim would have committed such deeds.

Once I checked around a little and fully confirmed that fact, I was flabbergasted. 9/11 was not only the most successful terrorist attack in the history of the world, but may have been greater in its physical magnitude than all past terrorist operations combined. The entire purpose of terrorism is to allow a small organization to show the world that it can inflict serious losses upon a powerful state, and I had never previously heard of any terrorist leader denying his role in a successful operation, let alone the greatest in history. Something seemed extremely wrong in the media-generated narrative that I had previously accepted. I began to wonder if I had been as deluded as the tens of millions of Americans in 2003 and 2004 who naively believed that Saddam had been the mastermind behind the September 11th attacks. We live in a world of illusions generated by our media, and I suddenly felt that I had noticed a tear in the paper-mache mountains displayed in the background of a Hollywood sound-stage. If Osama was probably not the author of 9/11, what other huge falsehoods had I blindly accepted?

A couple of years later, I came across a very interesting column by Eric Margolis, a prominent Canadian foreign policy journalist purged from the broadcast media for his strong opposition to the Iraq War. He had long published a weekly column in the Toronto Sun and when that tenure ended, he used his closing appearance to run a double-length piece expressing his very strong doubts about the official 9/11 story, noting that the former director of Pakistani Intelligence insisted that Israel had been behind the attacks.

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In addition, an old friend of mine with strong connections to elite French circles at some point shared what he regarded as an amusing anecdote. He mentioned that at a private dinner party in Paris attended by influential political and media figures, France’s former Defense Minister had told the other disbelieving guests that the Pentagon had been struck by a missile rather than a civilian jetliner. My friend explained that the minister in question was widely regarded as extremely intelligent and level-headed, thereby proving that even the most highly reputable individuals may sometimes believe in utterly crazy things.

But I interpreted those same facts very differently. France probably possessed one of the four or five best intelligence service in the world, and surely a French Defense Minister would be privy to better information about true events than a typical media pundit. In fact, one of the earliest books sharply questioning the official 9/11 narrative was 9/11: The Big Lie by French journalist Thierry Meyssan, which appeared in 2002. This book had similarly argued that the Pentagon had been struck by a missile, perhaps suggesting that it may have been partly influenced by leaks coming from French Intelligence.

I later shared that account of the French minister’s private opinions with a very well-connected American individual situated in our elite Establishment with whom I’d become a little friendly. His reaction made it clear that he held the same highly unorthodox views about the 9/11 attacks, although he had never publicly voiced them lest he risk losing his elite Establishment membership card.

I eventually discovered that in 2003 former German Cabinet Minister Andreas von Bülow had published a best-selling book strongly suggesting that the CIA rather than Bin Laden was behind the attacks, while in 2007 former Italian President Francesco Cossiga had similarly argued that the CIA and the Israeli Mossad had been responsible, claiming that fact was well known among Western intelligence agencies.

Over the years, all these discordant claims had gradually raised my suspicions about the official 9/11 story to extremely strong levels, but it was only very recently that I finally found the time to begin to seriously investigate the subject and read eight or ten of the main 9/11 Truther books, mostly those by Prof. David Ray Griffin, the widely acknowledged leader in that field. And his books, together with the writings of his numerous colleagues and allies, revealed all sorts of very telling details, most of which had previously remained unknown to me. I was also greatly impressed by the sheer number of seemingly reputable individuals of no apparent ideological bent who had become adherents of the 9/11 Truth movement over the years.

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I certainly attempted to locate contrary books supporting the official 9/11 story, but the only one widely discussed was a rather short volume published by Popular Mechanics magazine, whose lead researcher turned out to be the cousin of Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff. None of the writers appeared to have any serious academic credentials, and they seemed to generally ignore or deflect some of the strongest pieces of evidence provided by the numerous scholars and experts involved in the 9/11 Truth movement. Therefore I hardly found their rebuttal persuasive, and I half-wondered whether Homeland Security had quietly arranged the publication, which might help explain the extremely odd nepotistic coincidence. Popular magazines simply do not carry the scientific weight of research professors at major universities. Perhaps the holes in the official 9/11 narrative were so numerous and large that no serious scholar could be enlisted to defend it.

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When utterly astonishing claims of an extremely controversial nature are made over a period of many years by numerous seemingly reputable academics and other experts, and they are entirely ignored or suppressed but never effectively refuted, reasonable conclusions seem to point in an obvious direction. Based on my very recent readings in this topic, the total number of huge flaws in the official 9/11 story has now grown enormously long, probably numbering in the many dozens. Most of these individual items seem reasonably likely and if we decide that even just two or three of them are correct, we must totally reject the narrative that so many of us have believed for so long.

The numerous Griffin books, beginning with his important 2004 volume The New Pearl Harbor, provide a very helpful evolving compendium of these. Although they all contain a great deal of overlap I might emphasize Debunking 9/11 Debunking, a 2007 reply to the Popular Mechanics volume, and the 2008 book The New Pearl Harbor Revisited as among the more important ones. In addition, he co-edited an important 2007 collection of essays with scholar Peter Dale Scott entitled 9/11 and American Empire. For those too cheap or impatient to click a button and order something from Amazon, I’m pleased to provide three of the shorter Griffin books in HTML form:

 

Now I am obviously just an amateur in the complex intelligence craft of extracting nuggets of truth from a mountain of manufactured falsehood. Although the arguments of the 9/11 Truth Movement seem quite persuasive to me, I would obviously feel much more comfortable if they were seconded by an experienced professional, such as a top CIA analyst. A few years ago, I was shocked to discover that was indeed the case.

William Christison had spent 29 years at the CIA, rising to become one of its senior figures as Director of its Office of Regional and Political Analysis, with 200 research analysts serving under him. In August 2006, he published a remarkable 2,700 word article explaining why he no longer believed the official 9/11 story and felt sure that the 9/11 Commission Report constituted a cover-up, with the truth being quite different. The following year, he provided a forceful endorsement to one of Griffin’s books, writing that “[There's] a strong body of evidence showing the official U.S. Government story of what happened on September 11, 2001 to be almost certainly a monstrous series of lies.” And Christison’s extreme 9/11 skepticism was seconded by that of many other highly-regarded former US intelligence officers.

We might expect that if a former intelligence officer of Christison’s rank were to denounce the official 9/11 report as a fraud and a cover-up, such a story would constitute front-page news. But it was never reported anywhere in our mainstream media, and I only stumbled upon it a decade later.

Even our supposed “alternative” media outlets were nearly as silent. Throughout the 2000s, Christison and his wife Kathleen, also a former CIA analyst, had been regular contributors to Counterpunch, publishing many dozens of articles there and certainly were its most highly-credentialed writers on intelligence and national security matters. But editor Alexander Cockburn refused to publish any of their 9/11 skepticism, so it never came to my attention at the time. Indeed, when I mentioned Christison’s views to current Counterpunch editor Jeffrey St. Clair a couple of years ago, he was stunned to discover that the friend he had regarded so very highly had actually become a “9/11 Truther.” When media organs serve as ideological gatekeepers, a condition of widespread ignorance becomes unavoidable.

For those so interested, Christison’s 2006 article mentioned the strong evidence he found in a C-Span broadcast of a two-hour panel discussion on the September 11th terrorist attacks, and he especially cited the documentary Loose Change as an excellent summary of many of the flaws in the official 9/11 case. The full “Final Cut” version of that film is conveniently available on YouTube:

With so many gaping holes in the official story of the events seventeen years ago, each of us is free to choose to focus on those we personally consider most persuasive, and I have several of my own. Danish Chemistry professor Niels Harrit was one of the scientists who analyzed the debris of the destroyed buildings and detected the residual presence of nano-thermite, a military-grade explosive compound, and I found him quite credible during his hour-long interview on Red Ice Radio. The notion that an undamaged hijacker passport was found in an NYC street after the massive, fiery destruction of the skyscrapers is totally absurd, as was the claim that the top hijacker conveniently lost his luggage at one of the airports and it was found to contain a large mass of incriminating information. The testimonies of the dozens of firefighters who heard explosions just before the collapse of the buildings seems totally inexplicable under the official story. The sudden total collapse of Building Seven, never hit by any jetliners is also extremely implausible.

 

Let us now suppose that the overwhelming weight of evidence is correct, and concur with high-ranking former CIA intelligence analysts, distinguished academics, and experienced professionals that the 9/11 attacks were not what they appeared to be. We recognize the extreme implausibility that three huge skyscrapers in New York City suddenly collapsed at free-fall velocity into their own footprints after just two of them were hit by airplanes, and also that a large civilian jetliner probably did not strike the Pentagon leaving absolutely no wreckage and only a small hole. What actually did happen, and more importantly, who was behind it?

The first question is obviously impossible to answer without an honest and thorough official investigation of the evidence. Until that occurs, we should not be surprised that numerous, somewhat conflicting hypotheses have been advanced and debated within the confines of the 9/11 Truth community. But the second question is probably the more important and relevant one, and I think it has always represented a source of extreme vulnerability to 9/11 Truthers.

The most typical approach, as generally followed in the numerous Griffin books, is to avoid the issue entirely and focus solely on the gaping flaws in the official narrative. This is a perfectly acceptable position but leaves all sorts of serious doubts. What organized group would have been sufficiently powerful and daring to carry off an attack of such vast scale against the central heart of the world’s sole superpower? And how were they possibly able to orchestrate such a massively effective media and political cover-up, even enlisting the participation of the U.S. government itself?

The much smaller fraction of 9/11 Truthers who choose to address this “whodunit” question seem to be overwhelmingly concentrated among rank-and-file grassroots activists rather than the prestigious experts, and they usually answer “inside job!” Their widespread belief seems to be that the top political leadership of the Bush Administration, probably including Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, had organized the terrorist attacks, either with or without the knowledge of their ignorant nominal superior, President George W. Bush. The suggested motives included justifying military attacks against various countries, supporting the financial interests of the powerful oil industry and military-industrial complex, and enabling the destruction of traditional American civil liberties. Since the vast majority of politically-active Truthers seem to come from the far left of the ideological spectrum, they regard these notions as logical and almost self-evident.

Although not explicitly endorsing those Truther conspiracies, filmmaker Michael Moore’s leftist box office hit Fahrenheit 9/11 seemed to raise such similar suspicions. His small budget documentary earned an astonishing $220 million by suggesting that the very close business ties between the Bush family, Cheney, the oil companies, and the Saudis were responsible for the Iraq War aftermath of the terrorist attacks, as well as a domestic crackdown on civil liberties, which was part-and-parcel of the right-wing Republican agenda.

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Unfortunately, this apparently plausible picture seems to have almost no basis in reality. During the drive to the Iraq War, I read Times articles interviewing numerous top oil men in Texas who expressed total puzzlement at why America was planning to attack Saddam, saying that they could only assume that President Bush knew something that they themselves did not. Saudi Arabian leaders were adamantly opposed to an American attack on Iraq, and made every effort to prevent it. Prior to his joining the Bush Administration, Cheney had served as CEO of Halliburton, an oil services giant, and his firm had heavily lobbied for the lifting of U.S. economic sanctions against Iraq. Prof. James Petras, a scholar of strong Marxist leanings, published an excellent 2008 book entitled Zionism, Militarism, and the Decline of US Power in which he conclusively demonstrated that Zionist interests rather than those of the oil industry had dominated the Bush Administration in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, and promoted the Iraq War.

As for Michael Moore’s film, I remember at the time sharing a laugh with a (Jewish) friend of mine, both of us finding it ridiculous that a government so overwhelmingly permeated by fanatically pro-Israel Neocons was being portrayed as in thrall to the Saudis. Not only did the plot of Moore’s film demonstrate the fearsome power of Jewish Hollywood, but its huge success suggested that most of the American public had apparently never heard of the Neocons.

Bush critics properly ridiculed the president for his tongue-tied statement that the 9/11 terrorists had attacked America “for its freedoms” and Truthers have reasonably branded as implausible the claims that the massive attacks were organized by a cave-dwelling Islamic preacher. But the suggestion that that they were led and organized by the top figures of the Bush Administration seems even more preposterous.

Cheney and Rumsfeld had both spent decades as stalwarts of the moderate pro-business wing of the Republican Party, each serving in top government positions and also as CEOs of major corporations. The notion that they capped their careers by joining a new Republican administration in early 2001 and immediately set about organizing a gigantic false-flag terrorist attack upon the proudest towers of our largest city together with our own national military headquarters, intending to kill many thousands of Americans in the process, is too ridiculous to even be part of a leftist political satire.

 

Let’s step back a bit. In the entire history of the world, I can think of no documented case in which the top political leadership of a country launched a major false-flag attack upon its own centers of power and finance and tried to kill large numbers of its own people. The America of 2001 was a peaceful and prosperous country run by relatively bland political leaders focused upon the traditional Republican goals of enacting tax-cuts for the rich and reducing environmental regulations. Too many Truther activists have apparently drawn their understanding of the world from the caricatures of leftist comic-books in which corporate Republicans are all diabolical Dr. Evils, seeking to kill Americans out of sheer malevolence, and Cockburn was absolutely correct to ridicule them at least on that particular score.

Consider also the simple practicalities of the situation. The gigantic nature of the 9/11 attacks as postulated by the Truth movement would have clearly required enormous planning and probably involved the work of many dozens or even hundreds of skilled agents. Ordering CIA operatives or special military units to organize secret attacks against civilian targets in Venezuela or Yemen is one thing, but directing them to mount attacks against the Pentagon and the heart of New York City would be fraught with stupendous risk.

Bush had lost the popular vote in November 2000 and had only reached the White House because of a few dangling chads in Florida and the controversial decision of a deeply divided Supreme Court. As a consequence, most of the American media regarded his new administration with enormous hostility. If the first act of such a newly-sworn presidential team had been ordering the CIA or the military to prepare attacks against New York City and the Pentagon, surely those orders would have been regarded as issued by a group of lunatics, and immediately leaked to the hostile national press.

The whole scenario of top American leaders being the masterminds behind 9/11 is beyond ridiculous, and those 9/11 Truthers who make or imply such claims—doing so without a single shred of solid evidence—have unfortunately played a major role in discrediting their entire movement. In fact, the common meaning of the “inside job” scenario is so patently absurd and self-defeating that one might even suspect that the claim was encouraged by those seeking to discredit the entire 9/11 Truth movement as a consequence.

The focus on Cheney and Rumsfeld seems particularly ill-directed. Although I’ve never met nor had any dealings with either of those individuals, I was quite actively involved in DC politics during the 1990s, and can say with some assurance that prior to 9/11, neither of them were regarded as Neocons. Instead, they were the archetypical examples of moderate business-type mainstream Republicans, stretching all the way back to their years at the top of the Ford Administration during the mid-1970s.

Skeptics of this claim may note that they signed the 1997 declaration issued by the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), a leading Neocon foreign policy manifesto organized by Bill Kristol, but I would regard that as something of a red herring. In DC circles, individuals are always recruiting their friends to sign various declarations, which may or may not be indicative of anything, and I remember Kristol trying to get me to sign the PNAC statement as well. Since my private views on that issue were absolutely 100% contrary to the Neocon position, which I regarded as foreign policy lunacy, I deflected his request and very politely turned him down. But I was quite friendly with him at the time, so if I had been someone without strong opinions in that area, I probably would have agreed.

This raises a larger point. By 2000, the Neocons had gained almost total control of all the major conservative/Republican media outlets and the foreign policy wings of nearly all the similarly aligned thinktanks in DC, successfully purging most of their traditional opponents. So although Cheney and Rumsfeld were not themselves Neocons, they were swimming in a Neocon sea, with a very large fraction of all the information they received coming from such sources and with their top aides such as “Scooter” Libby, Paul Wolfowitz, and Douglas Feith being Neocons. Rumsfeld was already somewhat elderly while Cheney had suffered several heart-attacks starting at age 37, so under those circumstances it may have been relatively easy for them to be shifted toward certain policy positions.

Indeed, the entire demonization of Cheney and Rumsfeld in anti-Iraq War circles has seemed somewhat suspicious to me. I always wondered whether the heavily Jewish liberal media had focused its wrath upon those two individuals in order to deflect culpability from the Jewish Neocons who were the obvious originators of that disastrous policy; and the same may be true of the 9/11 Truthers, who probably feared accusations of anti-Semitism. Regarding that former issue, a prominent Israeli columnist was characteristically blunt on the matter in 2003, strongly suggesting that 25 Neocon intellectuals, nearly all of them Jewish, were primarily responsible for the war. Under normal circumstances, the president himself would have surely been portrayed as the evil mastermind behind the 9/11 plot, but “W” was too widely known for his ignorance for such accusations to be credible.

It does seem entirely plausible that Cheney, Rumsfeld, and other top Bush leaders may have been manipulated into taking certain actions that inadvertently furthered the 9/11 plot, while a few lower-level Bush appointees might have been more directly involved, perhaps even as outright conspirators. But I do not think this is the usual meaning of the “inside job” accusation.

 

So where do we now stand? It seems very likely that the 9/11 attacks were the work of an organization far more powerful and professionally-skilled than a rag-tag band of nineteen random Arabs armed with box-cutters, but also that the attacks were very unlikely to have been the work of the American government itself. So who actually attacked our country on that fateful day seventeen years ago, killing thousands of our fellow citizens?

Effective intelligence operations are concealed in a hall of mirrors, often extremely difficult for outsiders to penetrate, and false-flag terrorist attacks certainly fall into this category. But if we apply a different metaphor, the complexities of such events may be seen as a Gordian Knot, almost impossible to disentangle, but vulnerable to the sword-stroke of asking the simple question “Who benefited?”

America and most of the world certainly did not, and the disastrous legacy of that fateful day have transformed our own society and wrecked many other countries. The endless American wars soon unleashed have already cost us many trillions of dollars and set our nation on the road to bankruptcy while killing or displacing many millions of innocent Middle Easterners. Most recently, that resulting flood of desperate refugees has begun engulfing Europe, and the peace and prosperity of that ancient continent is now under severe threat.

Our traditional civil liberties and constitutional protections have been drastically eroded, with our society having taken long steps toward becoming an outright police state. American citizens now passively accept unimaginable infringements on their personal freedoms, all originally begun under the guise of preventing terrorism.

I find it difficult to think of any country in the world that clearly gained as a result of the 9/11 attacks and America’s military reaction, with one single, solitary exception.

During 2000 and most of 2001, America was a peaceful prosperous country, but a certain small Middle Eastern nation had found itself in an increasingly desperate situation. Israel then seemed to be fighting for its life against the massive waves of domestic terrorism that constituted the Second Palestinian Intifada.

Ariel Sharon was widely believed to have deliberately provoked that uprising in September 2000 by marching to the Temple Mount backed by a thousand armed police, and the resulting violence and polarization of Israeli society had successfully installed him as Prime Minister in early 2001. But once in office, his brutal measures failed to end the wave of continuing attacks, which increasingly took the form of suicide-bombings against civilian targets. Many believed that the violence might soon trigger a huge outflow of Israeli citizens, perhaps producing a death-spiral for the Jewish state. Iraq, Iran, Libya, and other major Muslim powers were supporting the Palestinians with money, rhetoric, and sometimes weaponry, and Israeli society seemed close to crumbling. I remember hearing from some of my DC friends that numerous Israeli policy experts were suddenly seeking berths at Neocon thinktanks so that they could relocate to America.

Sharon was a notoriously bloody and reckless leader, with a long history of undertaking strategic gambles of astonishing boldness, sometimes betting everything on a single roll of the dice. He had spent decades seeking the Prime Ministership, but having finally obtained it, he now had his back to the wall, with no obvious source of rescue in sight.

The 9/11 attacks changed everything. Suddenly the world’s sole superpower was fully mobilized against Arab and Muslim terrorist movements, especially those connected with the Middle East. Sharon’s close Neocon political allies in America used the unexpected crisis as an opportunity to seize control of America’s foreign policy and national security apparatus, with an NSA staffer later reporting that Israeli generals freely roamed the halls of the Pentagon without any security controls. Meanwhile, the excuse of preventing domestic terrorism was used to implement newly centralized American police controls that were employed to harass or even shut down various anti-Zionist political organizations. One of the Israeli Mossad agents arrested by the police in New York City as he and his fellows were celebrating the 9/11 attacks and producing a souvenir film of the burning World Trade Center towers told the officers that “We are Israelis…Your problems are our problems.” And so it immediately became.

General Wesley Clark reported that soon after the 9/11 attacks he was informed that a secret military plan had somehow come into being under which America would attack and destroy seven major Muslim countries over the next few years, including Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Libya, which coincidentally were all of Israel’s strongest regional adversaries and the leading supporters of the Palestinians. As America began to expend enormous oceans of blood and treasure attacking all of Israel’s enemies after 9/11, Israel itself no longer needed to do so. Partly as a consequence, almost no other nation in the world has so enormously improved its strategic and economic situation during the last seventeen years, even while a large fraction of the American population has become completely impoverished during that same period and our national debt has grown to insurmountable levels. A parasite can often grow fat even as its host suffers and declines.

 

I have emphasized that for many years after the 9/11 attacks I paid little attention to the details and had only the vaguest notion that there even existed an organized 9/11 Truth movement. But if someone had ever convinced me that the terrorist attacks had been false-flag operations and someone other than Osama had been responsible, my immediate guess would have been Israel and its Mossad.

Certainly no other nation in the world can remotely match Israel’s track-record of remarkably bold high-level assassinations and false-flag attacks, terrorist and otherwise, against other countries, even including America and its military. Furthermore, the enormous dominance of Jewish and pro-Israel elements in the American establishment media and increasingly that of many other major countries in the West has long ensured that even when the solid evidence of such attacks was discovered, very few ordinary Americans would ever hear those facts.

The pattern of behavior is really quite remarkable. Even prior to the establishment of the State of Israel, the various Zionist factions assassinated Lord Moyne, the British Minister for the Middle East, and Count Folke Bernadotte, the UN Peace Negotiator, and made unsuccessful attempts to kill President Harry S. Truman and British Foreign Minister Ernest Bevin, while even discussing the possible assassination of Prime Minister Winston Churchill. There seems considerable evidence that the Israeli Mossad subsequently played a central role in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy because of the enormous pressure he was applying to persuade Israel to abandon its nuclear weapons development. Mossad defector Victor Ostrovsky warned the American government that Israel was planning to assassinate President George H.W. Bush in the early 1990s due to the bitter conflict over financial aid, and apparently those warnings were taken seriously. As recently as 2012, the editor of the largest Jewish newspaper in Atlanta publicly called for the assassination of President Barack Obama over his policy differences with Israel.

The history of military and terrorist attacks is even more striking. One of history’s largest terrorist attacks prior to 9/11 was the 1946 bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem by Zionist militants dressed as Arabs, which killed 91 people and largely destroyed the structure. In the famous Lavon Affair of 1954, Israeli agents launched a wave of terrorist attacks against Western targets in Egypt, intending to have those blamed on anti-Western Arab groups. There are strong claims that in 1950 Israeli Mossad agents launched a wave of false-flag terrorist bombings against Jewish targets in Baghdad, successfully using those violent methods to help persuade Iraq’s thousand-year Jewish community to emigrate to the Jewish state. In 1967, Israel launched a deliberate air and sea attack against the U.S.S. Liberty, intending to leave no survivors, and ultimately killing or wounding over 200 American servicemen before word of the attack reached our Sixth Fleet and it was called off.

The enormous extent of pro-Israel influence in world political and media circles meant that none of these brutal attacks ever drew serious retaliation, and in nearly all cases, they were quickly thrown down the memory hole, so that today probably no more than one in a hundred Americans is even aware of them. Furthermore, most of these incidents came to light due to chance circumstances, so we may easily suspect that many other attacks of a similar nature have never become part of the historical record.

 

Once we accept that the 9/11 attacks were probably a false-flag operation, a central clue to the likely perpetrators has been their extraordinary success in ensuring that such a wealth of enormously suspicious evidence has been totally ignored by virtually the entire American media, whether liberal or conservative, left-wing or right-wing.

The only other such extreme cases that come to my mind almost invariably involve either Jewish issues or Israel. For example, virtually no Americans are today aware of the close Nazi-Zionist economic partnership of the 1930s that played a crucial role in the establishment of the State of Israel. Similarly, although our Western media has enshrined it as one of the central events of the twentieth century, there seems a good likelihood that the Jewish Holocaust of the Second World War is either substantially or almost entirely fraudulent. Even highly successful false-flag terrorist operations will tend to leave behind a certain number of individual clues, and possessing the media power to cause that evidence to vanish from perceived reality is an extremely important tool for such operations.

In the particular case at hand, the considerable number of zealously pro-Israel Neocons situated just beneath the public surface of the Bush Administration in 2001 could have greatly facilitated both the successful organization of the attacks and their effective cover-up and concealment, with Libby, Wolfowitz, Feith, and Richard Perle being merely the most obvious names. Whether such individuals were knowing conspirators or merely had personal ties allowing them to be exploited in furthering the plot is entirely unclear.

Most of this information must surely have long been apparent to knowledgeable observers, and I strongly suspect that many individuals who had paid much greater attention than myself to the details of the 9/11 attacks may have quickly formed a tentative conclusion along these same times. But for obvious social and political reasons, there is a great reluctance to publicly point the finger of blame towards Israel on a matter of such enormous magnitude. Hence, except for a few fringe activists here and there, such dark suspicions remained private.

Meanwhile, the leaders of the 9/11 Truth movement probably feared they would be destroyed by media accusations of deranged anti-Semitism if they had ever expressed even a whisper of such ideas. This political strategy may have been necessary, but by failing to name any plausible culprit, they created a vacuum that was soon filled by “useful idiots” who shouted “inside job!” while pointing an accusing finger toward Cheney and Rumfeld, and thereby did so much to discredit the entire 9/11 Truth movement.

 

This unfortunate conspiracy of silence finally ended in 2009 when Dr. Alan Sabrosky, former Director of Studies at the US Army War College, stepped forward and publicly declared that the Israeli Mossad had very likely been responsible for the 9/11 attacks, writing a series of columns on the subject, and eventually presenting his views in a number of media interviews, along with additional analyses.

Obviously, such explosive charges never reached the pages of my morning Times, but they did receive considerable if transitory coverage in portions of the alternative media, and I remember seeing the links very prominently featured at Antiwar.com and widely discussed elsewhere. I had never previously heard of Sabrosky, so I consulted my archiving system and immediately discovered that he had a perfectly respectable record of publication on military affairs in mainstream foreign policy periodicals and had also held a series of academic appointments at prestigious institutions. Reading one or two of his articles on 9/11, I felt he made a rather persuasive case for Mossad involvement, with some of his information already known to me but much of it not.

Since I was very busy with my software work and had never spent any time investigating 9/11 or reading any of the books on the topic, my belief in his claims back then was obviously quite tentative. But now that I have finally looked into the topic in much greater detail and done a great deal of reading, I think it seems quite likely that his 2009 analysis was entirely correct.

I would particularly recommend his long 2011 interview on Iranian Press TV, which I first watched just a couple of days ago. He came across as highly credible and forthright in his claims:

He also provided a pugnacious conclusion in a much longer 2010 radio interview:

Sabrosky focused much of his attention upon a particular segment of a Dutch documentary film on the 9/11 attacks produced several years earlier. In that fascinating interview, a professional demolition expert named Danny Jowenko who was largely ignorant of the 9/11 attacks immediately identified the filmed collapse of WTC Building 7 as a controlled-demolition, and the remarkable clip was broadcast worldwide on Press TV and widely discussed across the Internet.

And by a very strange coincidence, just three days after Jowenko’s broadcast video interview had received such heavy attention, he had the misfortune to die in a frontal collision with a tree in Holland. I’d suspect that the community of professional demolition experts is a small one, and Jowenko’s surviving industry colleagues may have quickly concluded that serious misfortune might visit those who rendered controversial expert opinions on the collapse of the three World Trade Center towers.

Meanwhile, the ADL soon mounted a huge and largely successful effort to have Press TV banned in the West for promoting “anti-Semitic conspiracy theories,” even persuading YouTube to entirely eliminate the huge video archive of those past shows, notably including Sabrosky’s long interview.

Most recently, Sabrosky provided an hour-long presentation at this June’s Deep Truth video panel conference, during which he expressed considerable pessimism about America’s political predicament, and suggested that the Zionist control over our politics and media had grown even stronger over the last decade.

His discussion was soon rebroadcast by Guns & Butter, a prominent progressive radio program, which as a consequence was soon purged from its home station after seventeen years of great national popularity and strong listener support.

The late Alan Hart, a very distinguished British broadcast journalist and foreign correspondent, also broke his silence in 2010 and similarly pointed to the Israelis as the likely culprits behind the 9/11 attacks. Those interested may wish to listen to his extended interview.

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Journalist Christopher Bollyn was one of the first writers to explore the possible Israeli links to the 9/11 attacks, and the details contained in his long series of newspaper articles are often quoted by other researchers. In 2012, he gathered together this material and published it in the form of a book entitled Solving 9-11, thereby making his information on the possible role of the Israeli Mossad available to a much wider audience, with a version being available online. Unfortunately his printed volume severely suffers from the typical lack of resources available to the writers on the political fringe, with poor organization and frequent repetition of the same points due to its origins in a set of individual articles, and this may diminish its credibility among some readers. So those who purchase it should be forewarned about these serious stylistic weaknesses.

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Probably a much better compendium of the very extensive evidence pointing to the Israeli hand behind the 9/11 attacks has been more recently provided by French journalist Laurent Guyénot, both in his 2017 book JFK-9/11: 50 Years of the Deep State and also his 8,500 word article “9/11 was an Israeli Job”, published concurrently with this one and providing a far greater wealth of detail than is contained here. While I would not necessarily endorse all of his claims and arguments, his overall analysis seems fully consistent with my own.

 

These writers have provided a great deal of material in support of the Israeli Mossad Hypothesis, but I would focus attention on just one important point. We would normally expect that terrorist attacks resulting in the complete destruction of three gigantic office buildings in New York City and an aerial assault on the Pentagon would be an operation of enormous size and scale, involving very considerable organizational infrastructure and manpower. In the aftermath of the attacks, the US government undertook great efforts to locate and arrest the surviving Islamic conspirators, but scarcely managed to find a single one. Apparently, they had all died in the attacks themselves or otherwise simply vanished into thin air.

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But without making much effort at all, the American government did quickly round up and arrest some 200 Israeli Mossad agents, many of whom had been based in exactly the same geographical locations as the purported 19 Arab hijackers. Furthermore, NYC police arrested some of these agents while they were publicly celebrating the 9/11 attacks, and others were caught driving vans in the New York area containing explosives or their residual traces. Most of these Mossad agents refused to answer any questions, and many of those who did failed polygraph tests, but under massive political pressure all were eventually released and deported back to Israel. A couple of years ago, much of this information was very effectively presented in a short video available on YouTube.

There is another fascinating tidbit that I have very rarely seen mentioned. Just a month after the 9/11 attacks, two Israelis were caught sneaking weapons and explosives into the Mexican Parliament building, a story that naturally produced several banner-headlines in leading Mexican newspapers at the time but was greeted by total silence in the American media. Eventually, under massive political pressure, all charges were dropped and the Israeli agents were deported back home. This remarkable incident was only reported on a small Hispanic-activist website, and discussed in a few other places. Some years ago I easily found the scanned front pages of the Mexican newspapers reporting those dramatic events on the Internet, but I can no longer easily locate them. The details are obviously somewhat fragmentary and possibly garbled, but certainly quite intriguing.

One might speculate that if supposed Islamic terrorists had followed up their 9/11 attacks by attacking and destroying the Mexican parliament building a month later, Latin American support for America’s military invasions in the Middle East would have been greatly magnified. Furthermore, any scenes of such massive destruction in the Mexican capital by Arab terrorists would surely have been broadcast non-stop on Univision, America’s dominant Spanish-language network, fully solidifying Hispanic support for President Bush’s military endeavors.

 

Although my growing suspicions about the 9/11 attacks stretch back a decade or more, my serious investigation of the topic is quite recent, so I am certainly a newcomer to the field. But sometimes an outsider can notice things that may escape the attention of those who have spent so many years deeply immersed in a given topic.

From my perspective, it seems that a huge fraction of the 9/11 Truth community spends far too much of its time absorbed in the particular details of the attacks, debating the precise method by which the World Trade Center towers in New York were brought down or what actually struck the Pentagon. But these sorts of issues seem of little ultimate significance.

I would argue that the only important aspect of these technical issues is whether the overall evidence is sufficiently strong to establish the falsehood of the official 9/11 narrative and also demonstrate that the attacks must have been the work of a highly sophisticated organization with access to advanced military technology rather than rag-tag band of 19 Arabs armed with box-cutters. Beyond that, none of those details matter.

In that regard, I believe that the volume of factual material collected by determined researchers over the last seventeen years has easily met that requirement, perhaps even ten or twenty times over. For example, even agreeing upon a single particular item such as the clear presence of nano-thermite, a military-grade explosive compound, would immediately satisfy those two criteria. So I see little point in endless debates over whether nano-thermite was used, or nano-thermite plus something else, or just something else entirely. And such complex technical debates may serve to obscure the larger picture, while confusing and intimidating any casually-interested outlookers, thereby being quite counter-productive to the overall goals of the 9/11 Truth movement.

Once we have concluded that the culprits were part of a highly-sophisticated organization, we can then focus on the Who and the Why, which surely would be of greater importance than the particular details of the How. Yet currently all the endless debate over the How tends to crowd out the Who and the Why, and I wonder whether this unfortunate situation might even be intentional.

Perhaps one reason is that once sincere 9/11 Truthers do focus on those more important questions, the vast weight of the evidence clearly points in a single direction, implicating Israel and its Mossad intelligence service, with the case being overwhelmingly strong in motive, means, and opportunity. And leveling accusations of blame at Israel and its domestic collaborators for the greatest attack ever launched against America on our own soil entails enormous social and political risks.

But such difficulties must be weighed against the reality of three thousand American civilian lives and the subsequent seventeen years of our multi-trillion-dollar wars, which have produced tens of thousands of dead or wounded American servicemen and the death or displacement of many millions of innocent Middle Easterners.

The members of the 9/11 Truth movement must therefore ask themselves whether or not “Truth” is indeed the central goal of their efforts.

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  1. tac says:

    Ron, Thank you for posting on article on the 17th anniversary of 9/11!

    All one has to do is to notice the successive squibs on the successive floors just below the collapsing line to notice that the floors were indeed wired for demolition:

    Slow motion collapse of WTC:

    The New Pearl Harbor (one of the best 9/11 documentaries about 5 hrs) (thanks to L.K.):

    THE ANATOMY OF A GREAT DECEPTION – How 9-11 Woke Me Up – David Hooper Film: https://vimeo.com/106233510

    Pentagon https://youtu.be/rn3A3c_FAOw

    Pentagon flight recorder mystery (excellent review of flight 77 flight recorder): https://youtu.be/mmGi5YeQ_Bw

    9/11 zero: https://youtu.be/3puhwRQMhZY

    21 Recorded Tower/Command Calls, NOT BELIEFS-9/11 World Trade Center Attacks-Drones Intercepting:

    30 AUGUST 2018 — Corbett Report interview by James Corbett with Mick Harrison and David Meiswinkle who discuss the First Amended Grand Jury Petition and the follow-up Mandamus filing:

    https://lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org/video-interviews/

    https://www.911tap.org/557-news-releases/736-lawyers-file-doj-petition-demanding-9-11-grand-jury-investigation

    http://truthinmedia.com/lawyers-family-members-petition-grand-jury-investigation-9-11/

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  2. Alan Reid says:

    For every truth seekers considerations….
    So, Would anyone like to take a crack explaining the fact of the 99 day long fire on the “GROUND ZERO” site?

    Well for nearly 10 years i have been doing just that…

    I have seen Zero refutations for my theory.

    FDNY called the end of fire on December 19 2001.

    Now what could have caused a rubble filled concrete basement to burn for 99 days?

    What could have caused reports of boots melting,molten steel,Like a foundry and shit like the ‘Meteorite’?

    How do you get 1200 degree temperature measurements from a satellite Infrared thermography a month after the event?

    Every single rescue dog that worked that pile is DEAD, Most of the persons that worked that pile are sick or dead.

    Sure there was and asbestos part to play,A certain americium touch from the Smoke detectors,and a mercury component…. but do you think the damage from asbestos and those others would be limited to the first responders …??

    These two ground breaking worlds tallest buildings both had a device installed on the 110 floor, Floor space of VERY coveted nature for TV and radio equipment.. Space measured by the inch for it’s placement at the top of those towers…

    That device was known as a tuned mass damper system… A system that made the very flexible towers work in the New York winds…. With out them working the tower had to be evacuated lest the occupants be made seasick from the swaying. If you worked near the top and had to endure this you would never set foot in this building again from the fear.

    Now this Tuned Mass Damper is a well understood thing in very tall buildings, The mass is used to counteract the wind loading and spring back effect of counter loading turbulence around the outside of the square tube structure.

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    A building like this had to have a very advanced version of a TMD to make the building safe, An active tuned mass damper system. The mass was controlled by a series of connections like Shock Absorbers, These were used to digitally modulate the motions of the damper to increase the efficiency of the system and give it a better damping signature in the environment they worked.

    I contend the main portion of those dampers the mass part were made of two parts a concrete box with a steel bottom plating and a filling of Uranium-238 granules for the mass part. With the limited and costly space requirements this would be the most efficient material to use to do this work, And had a secondary use…. After life of the structure had expired.

    Uranium-238 is what is known a pyrophoric substance.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrophoricity

    If you get it hot enough it will burn until it is totally consumed, Now i have never intentionally burned 600 PLUS TONS of U-238 but i can tell you it will burn in excess of 5600 degrees… And it’s not going to burn fast either…. But rather as a process over time according to the environment it is contained.

    Each tower had a TMD system, Each of those systems was over 600 tons i weight. That 600 tons of weight was directly over the top of the express elevator shaft… That shaft having only a few parts of obstruction to the basements. Or to say it another way… Only a few secondary explosions away from a perfect drop chute from the bottom of the damper to the lower parking levels of each tower.

    Once burning there is no hope of putting out these fires. And has anyone else noted the symptoms of the men working at ‘GROUND ZERO” have the same traits of GULF WAR SYNDROME???

    So you have read the claim i have about the fire that burned for 99 days without any added fuel. I claim these men are victims of a Uranium-238 fire from structural building components.

    But the Structural components part is SECONDARY to the main use for all that uranium, Evidence disposal.

    Or to say it another way… The twin towers were built from day one with this 9/11 event in mind.

    Later on i will let you all in on how they used sheet explosives to do the demo… That too was built in from day one of this project.

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    Anyone want to hear the other bit?

    Fuck it here goes….

    Now this theory has had some years work to fit the many claims into a tolerable narrative of the Demo and WHY it was a demo.
    I started with the video record, I watched every frame over and over again, All the angles and from all the vantage points.
    Then i looked at the things needed to make the video possible, That took some doing.
    Then i looked at the gravity of building a pair of towers in the heart of the financial district…. The shit i saw in doing this was stunning…
    So to part one.
    By now everyone that is thinking and sane can tell these towers were victims of 3 controlled demolition. Much has been said to cloud and obfuscate what really happened, Read (mini-nukes),(Nano-thermate),(Thermite). but all that is just plain Crap. Reach over flip the lever and flush it down.
    There has been a gargantuan play book of the towers were weak and near ready to fall bullshit flowing from many angles, Well i will just tell you that is also Crap,Flush #2.

    That being flushed into the septic tank we can move on to INSURANCE and the persons that play that game…Now you don’t get involved in something like a pair of 1400 foot tall buildings without having given the matter some serious thought, And given the real estate the were being built on the entire lifespan of them HAD to be dealt with from the first shovel full of dirt to their eventual removal after they had reached their end of life cycle. Many of the structures in this sort of environment have similar regulatory constraints on their construction and many of them fall into the ‘If shit goes bad WHAT THEN’ category.

    Insurance fellows are annoyingly like screaming toddlers about liability and who is on the hook if shit does indeed go bad…. They produce scenario after scenario to cover their asses and avoid having to pay out huge sums of cash. These towers are perfect examples of this game theory run amok.
    You could not do anything until these forces have a compelling path to fallow from point ‘A’ to point ‘Z’ with them still holding all that loot.

    This is where it gets real good. If you want to put this pair of worlds tallest buildings on the WTC site you had to assure them they would never fear about the liability. Being so tall they were a natural for aircraft crashes, So they had to be strong enough to withstand SEVERAL Boeing 707 aircraft hitting them( you may be wrong if you think you know what ‘Several’ actually means. I think the real number was 6, but some say the game scape went to assurances up to seven of them.

    Now the regulators demanded that above all the other dangers of very tall structures these ones had to fend off some serious threats.
    So fire and terrorism or any other threat the other buildings surrounding these structures might have to endure had to have thick volumes of assurance that none of them would visit… Pucker factor #1 for the engineers. Then they had to deal with the eventual ‘What to do after they are rusted junk and need to be removed’ part of the whole scheme… Pucker factor #2. But wait it gets even better, The common industry method of this part of a building like these would produce a HUGE level of LIABILITY ot the owners of these structures… and here is where you will have to do some life sentences to the men that OK’d this plan… They decided that Yes they will eventually have to be brought down and yes there was going to be some real bank killing damages to their cash flows, So what to do….

    Call in the Big gun Lawyers and run the game engine until the whole mess is gravy… so what did they think up? Deflect liability with legislation about ‘Acts of Terror’
    Once they had a plan they went to the engineers and said ‘Well, what do you think, Can you do it?’ And the pay loving engineer set said sure thin boss not a problem at all.

    Once they had a mandate they started to work out the logistics of covering all the bases in regard what was needed to make it all work, If they but Apollo they will buy ANYTHING. So the put to work, First need was a plan to make the perfect demo job for a building that was not even on paper yet, The problem was that for all the chess pieces to have enough room on the board much of the demo work had to be built into the structure at the initial stages of assembly, but taking a page from the NASA boys they came up with the corrugated floor pans that every single floor would eventually be built.

    Those would be made from two near identical sheets formed so as when they were put together there was enough space in between for a RDX charge just thick enough to do the job, then the two sheets and the sheet explosive were induction welded on every seam to ‘ADD strength’ and bond it into one single unit… Then they made the entire puzzle of this building with these units, I don’t recall the number of them but their was a shit load of them. Every floor was started with those pans in a grid, and once the concrete was poured, Nobody would ever know that the towers had a bomb on every single floor hidden away in those units. Part one of the big show was in play, the time was the early days of construction.

    The next big deal need was to deal with all the structural steel this pair was built.. This one needed some real intense thinking, but scum bag engineers had a book full of nasty shit to pull for those that pay the bills and supply the power they want… so they went to work and thought up the Asbestos fireproofing. I think the term used was ” I got an angle’ and like that Stern went bonkers and the towers were liberally coated with the then known carcinogenic substance, and just to up the nasty meter even higher they tiled much of the floor work with tiles of the same shit Asbestos… What they wanted was an excuse to later do a bunch of refitting of that material fuck up and do some EXTRA additions…in the form of copper shape charges, once they applied the charges they re applied the new fireproofing and nobody was any wiser and they had part two dealt with, so now on to part three…

    What the fuck do we do with all the required records of all this clandestine work done to these towers that they needed to keep that fall going right on target of that foot print… Well like most they shoved it all into the basements for ‘Safe keeping’ as the day drew near they hoovered up a shitload of the bullion stored there and removed it, leaving a token amount to point at.,,

    That’s where our previous friend the TMD came in, It’s job was to ensure every single thing used to make the whole sick plan work every drawing every inventory every blueprint every single computer file EVERYTHING that could convict them of this crime was totally destroyed 100%… Sounds like a job for a blast furnace to me chimed one of the minions and the U-238 TMD was GO!

    After enough time had passed and the big show drew near they had a power down pow-wow and installed all the logic and detonators, all the delays and other bits needed to do in stuff like the elevators and other large shit like the hat truss and associated gear, into the Free spaces above everyone’s head hidden away inside the ceiling spaces waited a command from building #7 that had similar work done to it’s structure… All that remained was the holy fucking shit of 2 aircraft crashes. and the play was ready to start.

    Everyone was a witness to the events, everyone saw the falling man, Everyone saw the smoke and fire… and everyone bought the instantaneous lies that came pouring out of every single yammering bobble head working in TeeVeee land… Bought the lies that came form the highest positions of power. They paid BILLIONS upon BILLIONS to get this show started and they went nuts like no other before them, they blew the shit out of several countries in the Mid-East, they looted every single bar of gold they could lay their grimy blood soaked hands on and sat back and dared you to think about the height of their super crime and do anything.

    We now sit here nearing the end of 2018, Not one of the persons with the blood on their hands is even being looked at let alone dealt with…. Because you did not get my memo… Well you cannot un-ring the bell no matter how hard you try… Now do your fucking job America and deal with this event before you all regret not doing so.

    Time is short now folks, The ball is in your court…

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    Astonishing.
    I hadn't considered that the buildings would have had a mass damper, and not only for counteracting winds but also earth tremors.

    Interesting implications..Thanks for posting.
    , @Anonymous
    U238 TMD: Pure speculation, zero evidence. If lots of U238 really was released, it should be the easiest thing in the world to find. Why even bother with such an expensive material when lead or steel would have been fine?

    Built-in explosives: I don't buy it. The asbestos ruled out the explosives being used for a legal clean demolition job, and planning a false flag terrorist attack 30 years ahead is difficult to believe.

    tl;dr: Nice story, top marks for inventing it, but way too far out to be believed.
    , @Anon
    Thanks so much for the information. When the WTC was being sprayed with asbestos every other building in America was being refitted to remove asbestos. There were TV documentaries about workers dying and disabled from asbestos.

    But the WTC used it.

    Putting the sway prevention things directly over the elevator shaft had to be against code. I know NYC is notoriously corrupt but JHC.

    The WTC was very cheaply built. The area was a crime ridden black ghetto when the plans were made. It was part of the great society plan of putting stadiums, government and other big office building in high crime aka black areas in hope the blacks would leave.

    I vaguely remember articles even they started building that it would rejuvenate the area. Probably the inspectors were told by the city to go easy on code violations as well as observing the NYC custom of taking bribes to over look violations.

    And those plans obviously were approved. But builders often file a set of plans that satisfy the code but actually build some crap that falls apart.

    Thanks so much. This is the most informative comment I’ve ever read about the demolition.
    , @utu
    Zero evidence that TMD was a part of WTC design. Zero evidence that U-238 was used for anything in WTC.

    You have created a nice story but it is a story. Just a story. The story is your child so you are in love with it and you are immune to any constructive criticism of it.
    , @tac
    Nice fairy tale full of imagination. You see, what was actually installed in the WTC 1 & 2 were visco-elastic dampers giving 3 ft sway in either direction. Do you people think you can just make up fairy tales to lead public in a certain direction--and AWAY from other more substantive ideas (i.e. nano-thermite and explosives)--and that no one will check your claims out and call you on it?

    The WTC crew ran extensive tests to find out just how much sway they could allow without disturbing the building occupants. They put structural models in wind tunnels and even lured unsuspecting test subjects to movable rooms hooked up to heavy hydraulics.

    In the end, they designed the towers so they could sway about 3 feet in either direction. To minimize the sway sensation, they installed about 10,000 visco-elastic dampers between support columns and floor trusses throughout the building. The special visco-elastic material in these dampers could move somewhat, but it would snap back to its original shape. In other words, it could give a little and then return to its initial position, absorbing much of the shock of the building's swaying motion.

    https://science.howstuffworks.com/engineering/structural/wtc2.htm

     

    Here are the WTC blueprints starting with the roof (refute using these blueprints):

    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/plans/frames.html

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  3. Greg S. says:

    There are so many fascinating, unexplained things about 9/11. Here are my top three:

    1) Follow the money. I believe it is a 100% verifiable fact is that there was insider trading prior to 9/11. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44741.htm

    2) It’s been well documented that the WTC buildings were not full that day. Hundreds stayed home. Either you can say it’s subconscious physic abilities at work (which I don’t discount) or people knew something was going to happen. The planes used were also less than half full. And the pentagon section hit was nearly deserted relative to normal sections. Do you believe in luck, reader?

    3) A retired pilot, Philip Marshall, who believed 9/11 was an inside job and later committed suicide, tried to re-create the flights using a flight simulator. He claimed he could not do it. The angles and speeds that the planes were supposed to have travelled were beyond expert level flying and beyond the capabilities of the airplanes themselves. The actual film of the WTC planes confirms this, so it’s not debatable. The pentagon plane was supposed to have done a full throttle, tight corkscrew descent right into the target and this proved virtually impossible to redo. Among other questions, it begs the question why amateur hijackers would choose such paths, let alone pull them off flawlessly.

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    My question, if the Pentigon was hit by a missile not a plane, what happened to the plane and it's passengers including Barbara Olsen?
    , @Che Guava
    I replied to, but, as often happens if there is any waiting time, the link was lost. Post number 42 (auspicious!), assuming that it is approved.

    BTW, I recall your point two having been widely reported at the time. Not so sure about point three, don't know about the flight sims pro. pilots use at home, but even before that, flight sims. on game consoles and the well-regarded MS sim. (also well-regarded by some pros), were tending to block attempts to just crash into things.

    Agree with you in the case of the Pentagon. Bizarre claim from the start.

    I can't see how the flight path into the WTC would have been terribly hard.

    Mystery, why weren't they being buzzed and eventually shot down by fighter planes? Though that may be put down to indecision, the one downed in Pennsylvania was almost certainly shot down. Sure, brave passengers acted, but in the end, it was shot down.
    , @prusmc
    My question, if the Pentigon was hit by a missile not a plane, what happened to the plane and it's passengers including Barbara Olsen?
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Thanks for the insider trading link. I have only glanced at it but it has made me realise that there are many markets around the world which could have provided the means for insider trading and it would therefore be a big data collection and statistical analysis job to check for relevant insider trading. Still the recently commenced or some other potential (probably class action) litigation should, via discovery and sub poena, be able to produce the needed information as I presume the SEC keeps more than its own NY and Chicago data. Presumably there would be records of analysis done way back and judgments about it. You have to factor in that real insiders to a plot would be seriously pissed off by opportunists making insider trading profits. You can imagine even the admission that " my wife got her brother in Singapore to buy some gold" would elicit reproof.

    As to people being absent on the day you have to assume that ruthless planners are not going to let that beca feature which arouses suspicion or leads to whistleblowing even years later. So, it has to have been very selective and barely detectable. You might as senior plotter summon a couple of special people to a meeting in DC or maybe organise a plausible breakfast meeting but "plausible" has to be key, and statistically barely a blip. So... can you really take that one anywhere?

    , @ploni almoni
    Controlled demolitions of buildings do not need planes, neither full nor half empty. You only need pictures of planes to make people believe that it was a terrorist attack and not an insurance scam. In fact, you don't even need pictures, although of course fake videos and phony documentaries of a day in the life of a trainee fire fighter help to create the illusion. All you need is a few people, (not too obviously Israeli) to say they saw a plane, and to add authoritatively "and I know planes."

    17,000 people came out of the buildings. It should have been 50,000 to 100,000 who came out if the buildings were really operating. There were so few people not because people stayed home or because Odino issued a warning to its chosen people. What it says is that the buildings were already mostly empty, not economically viable, and the upper floors with all those "victims" were also empty. (Real people simply walked out of the upper floors above the phony plane explosions and spoke about it.) The fire department's role was not to "put out any fires" it was only to evacuate. And they themselves evacuated before the buildings were blown up (the propane burners were running out of fuel) by being told "another plane is on the way." What a coincidence.

    If it seems too good to be true, it is not true. When some people tried to collect life insurance fraudulently they were caught in two weeks because the authorities knew that the offices the supposed victims were visiting did not exist, although these offices were mentioned in the newspapers as having been destroyed with all their fake employees inside. The small fraudsters were fooled by the bigger fraudsters. But you do need the collusion of local, state, and federal government to make these things work, so there has to be enough money to go around for everyone, and early retirement for some victims who want to head for the beach. And you need the cooperation of the the free press to know what to say and what not to say. Hollywood studios simulated a train wreck and massive fire every forty five minutes for visitors in their amusement parks. A sucker is born every minute. There were of course some accidents and there were real victims, but their names are not read out on 9/11. They would be in the millions. Ask not for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for you.
    , @Anon
    I can speak nothing to the WTC, but it is indeed reasonable to believe that a plane hit the Pentagon that day. I met a man who flew multiple decades with American and knew the pilot of that aircraft. Moreover, he was golfing that morning at Army/Navy in Arlington and saw the plane. It wasn't a great feat of flying if you have ever driven 395 North into DC.
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  4. There’s a lot to chew over here. Thank you.

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  5. The Scalpel says: • Website

    This is the most incontovertible piece of evidence that building 7 was a controlled demolition. I have never heard another plausible explanation for how three television networks can seemingly broadcast prior knowledge of the collapse. The sole plausible explanation being that some reputable party who was aware the demolition would take place and was tasked with informing the networks, got the timing wrong and informed them a bit before the fact.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP2t9nq9fI

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    BBC explanation for anticipating the collapse of WT7 by c. 15 minutes

    is that they got the info from Reuters.

    in another vast (((cohencidence)))

    Reuters is a (((Rothschild))) property.
    , @milosevic
    The Scalpel said:

    This is the most incontrovertible piece of evidence that building 7 was a controlled demolition. I have never heard another plausible explanation for how three television networks can seemingly broadcast prior knowledge of the collapse.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-911-conspiracy-theories/#comment-2509433

    The following video shows that even the emergency crews in the area were given advance warning of the imminent collapse of WTC-7. Somehow, somebody knew not just that it was going to "collapse", but also when. Which is rather odd, given that freefall collapses of steel-framed buildings into their own basements, are a phenomenon entirely unique to New York City on 9/11/2001, having never occurred anywhere else in the world, ever.

    It was certainly thoughtful of the Israelis to provide the residents of New York with advance notice of their false-flag covert operation. Or maybe some of the perpetrators were somewhat closer to home -- Rudolph Giuliani, for example.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnLcUxV1dPo
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  6. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:

    Wow, Ron’s finally woken up.

    Welcome to the real world, Mr. Unz!

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    Wow, Ron’s finally woken up.

    Welcome to the real world, Mr. Unz!
     
    Ron woke up some time ago.

    He has been battling the matrix fearlessly for many years.

    But it staggers the imagination that this subject is completely buried within the hallowed halls of the MSM.

    Doesen't anyone want to win a Pulitzer prize?

    This is the most important story of our time--perhaps any time given the threat of war with Russia-- and no one talks about it in the MSM.
    , @Anon
    Ron woke up long time ago.
    , @Curmudgeon
    Well, he may have woken up about 9/11, but his opening about immigrant crime is off. Apparently, he, like most, has a difficult time separating immigration from immigrants, and crime from different types of crime. Every single illegal alien is a criminal. Therefore, these "undocumented immigrants" are all criminals, whether they go on to commit murder or not. Rape is a violent crime that is not murder, as is battery.
    Mr. Unz's analysis contradicts the experience of towns and small cities across North America that have legal and illegal immigrants and/or temporary foreign workers in meat packing plants, where crime, violent and non violent has risen.
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  7. Thomm says:

    Fail.

    This ‘truther’ schtick is absurd. Remember that Radical Muslims also did a number of other large terrorist attacks outside the US (such as London 2005, Madrid 2004, Mumbai 2006, Kenya and Tanzania 1998, Beirut Marine Barracks 1983, Bali 2002, France 2015, etc.). The notion that the biggest one was a false flag is absurd, because to believe that, one has to ignore the large number of other attacks that Radical Muslims have undertaken.

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    "Remember that Radical Muslims also did a number of other large terrorist attacks outside the US (such as London 2005, Madrid 2004, Mumbai 2006, Kenya and Tanzania 1998, Beirut Marine Barracks 1983, Bali 2002, France 2015, etc.)"

    Bro, wake up! Mossad did all of them too, also killed JFK and Patton, tried to get Truman too. Islam is the religion of peace.
    , @c matt
    But you forget - Americans don't care until something happens HERE.

    I don't know that they are the Religion of Peace (more like Piece), but that does not mean 9/11 was not a Mossad action. Some, several, or all of those others could be as well.

    One thing that always seemed odd to me - all three looked like controlled demolition. I would not expect a building smacked from one side, unevenly, to fall into its own footprint. The direct impact side would most likely fail before the "exit" side, and it would at least twist/bend a little and fall unevenly.
    , @Colin Wright
    'This ‘truther’ schtick is absurd. Remember that Radical Muslims also did a number of other large terrorist attacks outside the US (such as London 2005, Madrid 2004, Mumbai 2006, Kenya and Tanzania 1998, Beirut Marine Barracks 1983, Bali 2002, France 2015, etc.). The notion that the biggest one was a false flag is absurd, because to believe that, one has to ignore the large number of other attacks that Radical Muslims have undertaken.

    You can turn that around. The other radical Muslim terrorist attacks were crude strikes, with a high failure rate and limited numbers of casualties.

    Why should we assume they just got really, really good all of a sudden? I'll grant that it's a possibility -- but it's like the lifetime .200 hitter suddenly hitting for the cycle. Could happen -- but the record doesn't make it likely.

    List all the other skyscrapers radical Muslim terrorists have completely leveled.
    , @Anonymous
    Lol.

    So the Indian, like the Jew, has a stake in making muslims look bad.

    So you are willing to overlook heaps of facts just so Americans can help India with its Muslim problem?

    Fat chance Hindu Thomm.
    , @RudyM

    Remember that Radical Muslims also did a number of other large terrorist attacks outside the US (such as London 2005, Madrid 2004, Mumbai 2006, Kenya and Tanzania 1998, Beirut Marine Barracks 1983, Bali 2002, France 2015, etc.).
     
    The official stories of the other such events I have looked into from the same time-frame are bullshit as well. 7/7 in particular has been massively dismantled.

    Al Qaeda has at least two functions: (1) it can be deployed to destabilize regimes the west/US/NATO oppose and (2) it can be used as a bogeyman to blame for false flag operations, or as an excuse for military interventions and covert action in other countries.
    , @ploni almoni
    How many fake attacks you need we can supply. You want ISIS, we got ISIS. You want a radical Muslim movement to appear in the Vatican, we've got that too. We have thousands of victims ready to go at a moment's notice. You want parents of airplane victims whose children call them to tell them someone in a shaykh costume has taken over the plane, we've got them. You name the airline, we can supply it. We will beat any price. Don't confuse actual war with psyops, though, although if you want real war, and can pay enough, we have got that for you too. By the way, attack another country, they will attack you for free, like in Lebanon, but that is unfair competition.
    , @AB_Anonymous
    You forgot “1946, the King David Hotel bombing”...
    And that one, in many ways, is a much closer match to the 9/11 attack than
    any of these “events to remember” in your comment.

    As for validity of those “examples”, they are as valid as the statement that
    “ISIS” is not financed, not trained, and not used for very dirty purposes by
    certain “civilized” countries.
    , @rafael martorell
    Yes Thomm:
    And the Ramsif Yousef in the twin towers 1992.
    Yousef is also K.S.M cousin.
    And Usama warning "you cant talk with words to the likes like Clinton,we have the way to communicate with him"
    This is a very superficial conclusion and the motive ,could be,they cant grant to a rag guy in a cave the merit of such a masterminded act.
    , @Petra
    How do you know they weren't also false flags or - probably just as 9/11 was - false-flag hoaxes.

    The evidence clearly shows that the 3,000 dead, 6,000 injured claim is a lie. With controlled demolition so obvious there is no way that the perps would have killed the people in the buildings and the planes and there was simply no need to. Just as they propagandised us that 3 high rise steel frame buildings came down by fire when they so very obviously came down by controlled demolition and also propagandised into believing in 4 plane crashes when they were completely faked they also propagandised into believing the 3,000 people died and 6,000 were injured on 9/11 when that didn't happen.

    http://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/3000-dead-and-6000-injured-a-lie.html
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  8. Sparkon says:

    I‘ve already written quite a bit about 9/11 at UR, so I’m happy to see this article by our host Ron Unz, and since I am fatigued after a long journey, I will gladly take the opportunity to refer to some of my earlier work here:

    There are several quibbles. Nano-thermite is a weak explosive. To quote myself:

    Yawning footnotes:

    ¹ Explosive velocities of high explosives: DDF – 10,000mps HMX – 9,100mps RDX – 8,750mps TNT – 6,900MPS compared with Jones’ Thermite @ 300-895mps

    ² Using USGS Report #01-0429 as Google search argument,
    I have located and reviewed these USGS documents:

    • Environmental Studies of the World Trade Center area after the September 11, 2001 attack
    • Particle Atlas of World Trade Center Dust
    • Chemical compositions of the WTC dusts and girder coating material

    There is no mention of “thermite” or “nanothermite” that I could find in any of these official USGS documents on WTC dust.

    http://www.unz.com/article/creative-chaos/#comment-2347257

    Magic Airplanes:

    Michael Hezarkhani, CNN
    via 911planeshoax dot com

    http://www.unz.com/article/revisiting-911-betty-ong-and-the-mystery-of-black-betty/#comment-2314925

    Back to Black Betty:

    In this photo from The S.F. Examiner, we see that Betty Ong’s memorial has the Chinese characters 鄧月薇 (Deng Yuewei) below her name in English: Betty (Bee) Ann Ong.

    So how did Betty Ong acquire the additional Chinese name?

    http://www.unz.com/article/revisiting-911-betty-ong-and-the-mystery-of-black-betty/#comment-2303125

    Here, the last word — for now — goes to George W. Bush:

    The TV was obviously on.

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    Ask her brother. Harry Ong can be found at a CVS pharmacy in the bay area. Or look on people finder for the sisters.

    I’m sure they can tell you. Or maybe they and Betty were CIA actors from birth.

    Xiabo becomes Bob. Liu becomes Lee.
    , @Sparkon
    Thermite keeps rearing its head in these discussions. To my satisfaction, Jeff Prager has shown that thermite does not have the explosive velocity required to account for the devastation of the WTC buildings, and that thermite was not found in the WTC dust according the USGS:

    The chain of possession of the dust samples allegedly found at Ground Zero and controlled by Dr. Jones is highly suspect, unverifiable and unscientific. The chain of possession of the dust samples procured by the USGS on September 16th and 17th, 2001 at Ground Zero, NYC, is known and secure. The chain of possession followed standard scientific procedure as outlined in USGS Report #01-0429. Nano thermite and energetic compound residue was not found in the USGS dust samples.
     
    https://www.veteranstodayarchives.com/2012/09/21/911-dust-by-jeff-prager-final-version/

    Please note that attacks on source are a common but fallacious argument. If you take issue or disagree with information at VT or in Wikipedia, then you must provide a counterargument with refuting facts from your own source, which is entirely acceptable, but dismissing any information based solely on its appearance in/at Wikipedia, Veterans Today, Rense, or even The Unz Review is an entirely fallacious argument.

    To sum up: Thermite was not found in dust samples collected at the WTC by the USGS. In any event, thermite is not a high explosive.

    , @Simply Not Fred
    Thermate was used to *weaken* the structure so that smaller, less conspicuous cutting charges could be used.
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  9. The Scalpel says: • Website

    Another mistake in execution that supports Ron’s assertion that it was not an insider job (Cheney Rumsfeld, etc.)

    Flight 93 did not (could not possibly) crash whole into the ground.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/unanswered-questions-the-mystery-of-flight-93-173206.html

    ” The wide displacement of the plane’s debris, one explanation for which might be an explosion of some sort aboard prior to the crash. Letters – Flight 93 was carrying 7,500 pounds of mail to California – and other papers from the plane were found eight miles (13km) away from the scene of the crash. A sector of one engine weighing one ton was found 2,000 yards away. This was the single heaviest piece recovered from the crash, and the biggest, apart from a piece of fuselage the size of a dining-room table. The rest of the plane, consistent with an impact calculated to have occurred at 500mph, disintegrated into pieces no bigger than two inches long. Other remains of the plane were found two miles away near a town called Indian Lake. All of these facts, widely disseminated, were confirmed by the coroner Wally Miller.”

    The plane had to be shot down, and Cheney probably had to give the order. He was not planning on this. This, clearly, was not supposed to be how it happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5GgZa9V0A8

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    Flight #93 was apparently supposed to return to hit Building #7, thus providing cover for explosives to bring it down like the Twin Towers. Why it failed to return led to Cheney being forced to order it being shot down over Pennsylvania to prevent the possibility of it landing intact.
    , @ploni almoni
    Yes, you are quite right. Nothing was found at the crash site in Shanksville Pennsylvania. I don't even know why they call it a crash site, but they do. Only some garbage brought in from a nearby dump. Except, of course, they did find alleged hijacker Ziad Jerrah's passport clearly proving he was there. The terrorists always drop their passports at the scene of the crime, both in the US and in France, in order to frame themselves. I guess you could call it their modus operandi.
    , @tac
    Rumsfeld also had a Freudian slip about Untied 93:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Xoxaf1Al0


    Similar looking crater (the outline of wings) was found in 1994 USGS map shows (coincidence?):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0NfNZYtn5I

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  10. Cyrano says:

    There are 2 types of deceptions. 1. External 2. Internal. External is when someone lies to you, internal is when you lie to yourself.

    1. Propaganda is an example of external deception, or these days also called – fake news.

    2. Conspiracy theories are examples of Internal deception. Conspiracy theories can also originate outside the individual, but quite often, the individual adds to the content that originated outside of him-self.

    There are few differences between external deception victims and self-deception victims. The narratives of propaganda are usually very simple – to the point of absurdity – so even the dumbest simpleton can digest them.

    The narrative of a conspiracy theory is like from a Tom Clancy novel, it has an exciting plot and can easily make a best-selling grade novel – but usually it’s as truthful as propaganda. I will give credit to conspiracy theorists that they are usually more intelligent than the consumers of propaganda.

    The conspiracy theorists are also proactive –as I said, they like to add some content to the stories that they’ve heard, where propaganda consumers are just passive receptors who don’t offer any improvements on the content of propaganda.

    The other credit that I would give to the conspiracy theorists is that they are usually well-meaning people. Where the writers of propaganda are some of the most really, truly evil people. But enough of my theories about propaganda and conspiracies.

    Do I believe in the 9/11 conspiracy theories? I don’t. Why? Because it wasn’t necessary for the neocons to take such a huge risk in order to “win” Americans’ approval for another war. Why are there inconsistencies in the official story of 9/11? Because they were protecting Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia and their oil are the main supporters of the dollar. If the US public turned against SA – which in turn started selling oil for anything other than the dollar, US economy would be pretty much finished.

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    So, how would you call, for example, the number appearing as the sum of
    ordinal weights of letters and digits in “American Airlines Flight 11, American
    Airlines Flight 77, United Airlines Flight 175, United Airlines Flight 93” ?
    (Using some online calculator would be the best choice).

    A coincidence? Then be sure there are dozens of similar “miraculous coincidences”
    for this event, which automatically excludes any force that had no power to pick
    “objects” at will to satisfy proper “imprints” from the list of suspects.

    , @Precious
    Do I believe in the 9/11 conspiracy theories?

    Yes you do.

    I don’t.

    No, really, you do. I know, because right after you tell me you don't believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories, you tell me your 9/11 conspiracy theory.

    Because it wasn’t necessary for the neocons to take such a huge risk in order to “win” Americans’ approval for another war. Why are there inconsistencies in the official story of 9/11? Because they were protecting Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia and their oil are the main supporters of the dollar.

    So the conspiracy theory is that they were protecting Saudi Arabia by hiding any details which could turn the US public against Saudi Arabia.

    Thank you for telling us your conspiracy theory and showing us you are just like...

    a) the other truth seekers
    or
    b) a lunatic nut job
    or
    c) all of the above
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  11. Anonymous[718] • Disclaimer says:

    Wow. Great work Ron!

    About the oil connection. I don’t think 9/11 was necessarily run at the behest of oil companies like Michael Moore suggested, but on a much higher level the control of oil is central to why 9/11 happened and is completely consistent with Neocon ideology.

    The key was to keep the flow of oil to Europe under Neocon control. This means Saudis, Kuwait, and Qatar supplying the oil and gas and not Iran and Russia.

    Pepe Escobar has written about this a lot and dubs it Pipelinestan. Since these Middle Eastern countries are beholden to sell oil for dollars, it makes sense to push out interlopers like Iran and Russia.

    This explains why we are at war with Syria since it is a key player in who’s pipelines win, and thus who gets to print money at will.

    This was before One Belt One Road, but the same principles apply only now it is even more important for the Neocons to win there.

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    Did you read Gary Volger's account of the Iraqi oil siphoned off and shipped to Israel? If not here it is:

    Oil for Israel: The Truth about the Iraq War, 15 Years Later

    Oil insider Gary Vogler writes of the Iraq war: “The oil agenda I discovered and experienced was to supply Iraq oil to Israel.” The players were the neocons in the Bush Administration… Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Lewis Libby, Marc Zell, and others

    https://israelpalestinenews.org/oil-for-israel-the-truth-about-the-iraq-war-15-years-later/

     

    , @gsjackson
    Pepe's column would be a great addition to UR.
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  12. I like the way Ron Unz details the journey undertaken from a point of unquestioning acceptance of the official narrative to the point of questioning every bit of it.

    Lie to me just once and that’s it, we’re done! The key point here is the awareness that those aligned against the American people are utterly utterly ruthless but should Americans ever respond with equal ruthlessness, well that would be just hatred.

    For years now we’ve all heard of “our” brave heroes in uniform but there’s barely been a squeak heard from any of them on this crucial matter.

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  13. Biff says:

    One question:
    If no airplanes flew into the buildings including the pentagon, where did they and the passengers go?

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    Dunno. Same place as Malaysian Airlines MH370?
    , @Anon
    There are some very enjoyable theories about that. They fall into 2 groups.

    I. Those people never existed but birth certificates school and employment records were created decades before the demolition.

    2. They and their families are all in a witness protection gulag somewhere.

    More fun than a Tom Clancy movie.
    , @gritzle75
    James Perloff has an interesting theory about what happened to the planes:

    https://jamesperloff.com/2017/06/30/911-simplified/
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  14. Re the claimed decreases in crime rates in cities with a massive influx of immigrants from south of the border, this is most likely due to the ethnic cleansing of blacks by better armed and organized latino gangs. Hispanic violent crime rates are typically 2-3 times White rates, while Black rates are 5-7 times White rates. Therefore if you just look at rates within these cities you could expect to see statistically significant decreases in crime. As you say, more studies are needed, but I think this is the likely explanation.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=latino+gang+blacks+california+cities+%22ethnic+cleansing%22&t=ffsb&ia=images

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    Yes, that is why. The author makes it very obvious. Anything wrong with that?
    , @Anon
    That IS the explanation. As anyone who lived through black crime in big cities and noticed crime went down after the Hispanics drive the black orcs out.

    I don’t mean official crime stats that can be manipulated.

    I mean noticing that people can park their cars in the streeet and walk home a block at night without getting raped or robbed. Or that no one has been burgled. Or stores are no longer being held up regularly.
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  15. Treg says:

    Excellent essay! I would like to give you two sources to round this excellent essay off. 1) http://www.debunking911.com and 2) Corbett Reports “9/11 Follow The Money”
    If you don’t have time to watch the 1 hour video, please jump to 31:47 mark about Ptech “god like software” and please let us all know what you think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3xgjxJwedA

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  16. Erebus says:

    In reading the Pravda series, somewhere along the way I got the gut feel that Ron had, perhaps inadvertently set the controls for the heart of the sun. It’s 8 years on, but it looks like he got there.

    A question if I may, Ron.
    Was your denigration of commenters here (myself included) as “conspiracy nuts” in the past an attempt at misdirection, or did your Road to Damascus moment come very recently?

    A 2nd question.
    Do you have a security detail?

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  17. Nice.
    I was wondering when this topic would come up.

    My program: constitutional amendments
    1. Citizenship: no duals, office holding by 3rd gen Americans ie. loyalty, white only immigrants
    2. Sedition: capital punishment
    3Campaign finance: public funding

    Either America reforms shortly or violent upheaval is inevitable. At this point I’d support a military .junta to reform this country. We need treason trials, executions and expulsions. Neo-cohens are at the top of the list. The betrayal of America by subversives is the murder of freedom not just a nation.
    BYOR

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    I don’t think we can do anything at this point. All we can do is check the black box on applications and go underground. Whites have betrayed Whites. There will be no nationalist movement. Take care of yourself and your family. The military leadership is more anti White and liberal than most government agencies.

    50 year anniversary of the affirmative action act.
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  18. Congratulations, Ron! This has to be your magnum opus!

    I find it difficult to think of any country in the world that clearly gained as a result of the 9/11 attacks and America’s military reaction, with one single, solitary exception.

    Well, we have established that only Israel benefitted from 9/11 – none else. So, with respect to cui bono, there is only one eligible candidate.

    Solving any crime is a combination of determining motive, means, and opportunity. I think you have correctly identified the motive, proving the other two may be a tad harder.

    Did Israel have the means? I believe they did but it would be hard to prove. A compliant mass media provided the air cover to hush up any weaknesses in the official narrative. Zionist control of the media is hardly a secret. A number of zionist players were prominent in furthering that narrative, and even Thomas Keene indicated that the 9/11 Commission report was manipulated by powerful forces. Who was responsible for all the evidence surrounding the towers being shipped off to China? Who was responsible for NIST providing a scientifically impossible report of the collapse of the towers and refusing to explore the possibility of explosives, as required by their own standards? Zionists have injected themselves into positions of power everywhere in government, but who is the mastermind?

    As to opportunity, how coincidental that a drill simulating an aerial attack on the towers was happening exactly at the same time as the actual attack. Who was responsible for organizing this drill and who knew about it? This was a diabolical way to have air traffic controllers, and perhaps even NORAD stand down. I seem to recall that drills of the same nature as the “terrorist attack” were also in progress during the London Underground bombing as well as the Boston Marathon event. So many coincidences boggle the mind!

    An honest investigation would rip the veil off of this deception, but the probability of that happening decreases with each passing day. A venal political establishment, blackmailed or bought by Israel (as they like to boast unashamedly) ensures that our downward spiral will not be arrested by those whom we have elected to protect us.

    It remains for us to save ourselves.

    Ron, I commend you on your extraordinary website, and on the clarity and persuasiveness of your many articles. What remains is providing a means of organizing and uniting our fellow citizens to gather their pitchforks and torches and bring down the infernal castle and set ablaze its monsters within.

    You have done a yeoman’s job of raising awareness of our plight and more Americans are awake than ever before. We understand the problem – now we need a solution. We need to organize and unite.

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    " Well, we have established that only Israel benefitted from 9/11 – none else. So, with respect to cui bono, there is only one eligible candidate. "
    Already on the day itself, when I, with anybody else, still believed the Muslim terror attack, I did not understand why Muslims would do such a thing, it just would harm Muslims.
    So I said to my wife 'just Israel benefits'.
    At the time I, of course, had not the slightest idea that Bush jr would use the attack as pretext for wars.
    Anatol Lieven also did not foresee this, his article New Cold War, in the Guardian, not yet a Soros property.
    , @Otterboy
    "An honest investigation would rip the veil off of this deception, but the probability of that happening decreases with each passing day. A venal political establishment, blackmailed or bought by Israel (as they like to boast unashamedly) ensures that our downward spiral will not be arrested by those whom we have elected to protect us."

    Agreed. A thorough independent investigation is what is required. However the chances of that ever happening are about zero and anyone else involved has gotten away with it.
    , @LondonBob
    There was no drill in London, a company was running a practise emergency drill to evacuate their offices, happens all the time.
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  19. ” The entire purpose of terrorism is to allow a small organization to show the world that it can inflict serious losses upon a powerful state ”

    Nobody seems to realise that these serious losses nowhere ever were inflicted.
    I will not go into detail, with examples, but it is not very difficult to hit a complicated western society into, in any case, disruption for several days.
    3000 USA deaths, if my information is correct the USA has 30.000 traffic deaths each year.

    As to conspiracies, the denial of conspiracies, any serious history book is full of conspiracies.
    The Dutch Orange who succeeded in becoming king of England, a master conspirator.
    The Ribbentrop Molotov, conspiracy, the 1956 Israel, GB and French conspiracy against Egypt, the Liberty conspiracy, McNamara with Israel, the pre 1914 conspiracy between GB, France and the tsar, examples galore.
    C. V. Wedgwood, ´William the Silent, William of Nassau, Prince of Orange, 1533 – 1584’, London, 1945
    Mario Toscano, ‘Designs in Diplomacy, Pages from European Diplomatic History in the Twentieth Century’, 1970 Baltimore
    This last book, nothing but recorded conspiracies

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    The whole American revolution was a conspiracy between wealthy American masons, the governments of France and Spain the Grand Duke of Hesse and the French armament ship building and military equipment industry.
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  20. Vojkan says:

    WTC 7 is destroyed from bottom to top, consistent with controlled demolition. On the other hand, what I see looking at the videos of the fall of the Twin Towers, in the visible parts, the South one collapses from impact to bottom, the top part isn’t visible due to smoke and dust, afterwards the North one collapses from impact to top and from impact to bottom. That’s one heck of an engineering feat for a controlled demolition imho.

    https://www.google.fr/search?as_q=tower+collapse+9%2F11+video&as_epq=&as_oq=north+south

    Such mass free falling to the ground is, again imho, not unlikely to provoke a mini earthquake, and send a shock wave shaking the foundations of WTC 7.

    I don’t have enough knowledge to forge a definite opinion. I think that just as in the case of the assassination of JFK, we will all long be dead before the truth comes out. Just saying that how I see those buildings fall is not inconsistent with the official version.

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    QUOTE Such mass free falling to the ground is, again imho, not unlikely to provoke a mini earthquake, and send a shock wave shaking the foundations of WTC 7. END QUOTE

    So why then was no such earthquake signatures recorded by NYC seismographs? It's one of the major indicators that the buildings turned into dust in mid air. If the buildings "fell" they would have produced a signature somewhat akin to an earthquake.

    And yet they didn't. Because the buildings and everything inside the buildings turned into dust.
    , @tac
    Gravitational falls do not expel large sections (some of which weighted hundreds of tons) of the outer perimeter supporting columns laterally. Period! Some other force is responsible for this.

    Lateral ejections of column sections:
    https://youtu.be/0VoHhUHAgNo

    Alternate view of North Tower destruction from the Hudson:
    https://youtu.be/3HbD_Q6kmh8

    9/11 Mysteries (another good documentary by Sofia Smallstorm):
    https://youtu.be/7vV9ND1BqDk
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  21. m___ says:

    Readers should therefore regard this as a preliminary version of my article, which I may render into a more polished form within the next couple of days, a practice that I have never previously followed.

    The next step for unz.com. The pre-selected core of readers, honed over these last years will take heed. The sorting out, will be a pain. No big data searches that can be automated to fish for meaningful nuggets. The work method should be systemized. If not abused as at Wikipedia, this should become the asset that gets unz.com into history. Glad you picked my bone and ran with it. Another way of putting it, relevant comments belong in the article. Paul C. R. and no comments is the too easy way out.

    As for 9/11, a case of measuring the distance between deaf as in the public domain, the street and dumb as in the grandiose silliness (use a bulldozer instead of a spade) of the elites. Or if one prefers, in absolute, “our elites are not up to the game, but well tuned into cajoling to the under-world”.

    Resulting in the above, a question not taken up by any of the intelligence writers at the Unz blog so far, what matters proportionately more in designing and implementing policies, the average, mean (or any in-group for that matter) of society (protracting in the elites comparatively,) or pulling in outlier talent into decision making. The cathedral or the space ship.

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  22. Brewer says:

    Thank you Mr Unz. You are doing a great service to mankind whether you are right or you are wrong.
    It is very easy to demonstrate that the ability to analyze is given to the few, not the many. The adherence to the dogmatic beliefs of religion, despite being contradictory among their variations is sufficient testament to an individual’s ability to passionately believe in concepts that contradict an equally passionate belief held by another individual. Both cannot be true. I do not think it at all unreasonable to assume that some very bright people are capable of understanding this predominant human failing and exploiting it.
    How else can we explain the deployment of snipers firing into an unarmed crowd of demonstrators through a security fence being spun as “defense” and a majority of other wise reasonable people buying it? I cannot imagine a World in which this can occur without the cynical manipulations of interested parties well versed in the extent of the general public’s gullibility.
    Holmes’ “dog that did not bark” is exemplified by the media’s treatment of 911. All the Israel boxes get a tick – capability, track record, motivation, opportunity and even some direct evidence (the dancing Israelis) – yet nowhere did the media even speculate (even just to dismiss the possibility) that this could have been an Israeli op. I find that quite curious.

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  23. Rationalization for Kristallnacht of the 21 -st. century had to be way more spectacular than one by German Nazis.
    Sheeple were exposed and gotten used Spielberg’s Star Wars FX.
    The coup succeeded beyond organizers wildest imagination.
    Majority of beings living in the USA, their colonies and countries under various neoliberal fascist regimes are kept obedient by instruments of mass indoctrination.
    Mr.Adolf and his partners are smiling from above or bellow.

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    Can we please let Mr Adolf rest in his grave for once? Lenin/Trotsky/Stalin would've all been more suitable comparisons for what the zionists are doing to the US. For all the evil Hitler and the Nazi's did, they did not represent a minority group subverting and attacking the majority group of their fellow countrymen. The Bolsheviks on the other hand were. Again, not defending Nazism but there is also a direct line of descent from Bolshevism to US Zionism which cannot be denied. You calumniate Hitler quite unnecessarily by bringing him into this when history has already provided a much better prototype for what has happened here.
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  24. Excellent article.

    I found this part of your article to be the most fascinating.

    During 2000 and most of 2001, America was a peaceful prosperous country, but a certain small Middle Eastern nation had found itself in an increasingly desperate situation. Israel then seemed to be fighting for its life against the massive waves of domestic terrorism that constituted much of the Second Intifada.

    According to many analysts, Ariel Sharon had deliberately provoked that Palestinian uprising in September 2000 by marching to the Temple Mount backed by a thousand armed police, and the resulting violence and polarization of Israeli society had successfully installed him as Prime Minister in early 2001. But once in office, his notoriously harsh measures failed to prevent a wave of continuing attacks, increasingly made by from suicide-bombers, and there was a widespread opinion that the violence would soon trigger a huge outflow of Israeli citizens, perhaps producing a death-spiral for the Jewish state. Iraq, Iran, Libya, and other major Muslim powers were supporting the Palestinians with money, rhetoric, and sometimes even weapons, and it appeared that Israeli society was beginning to crumble. I remember hearing from some of my DC friends that numerous Israeli policy experts were suddenly seeking berths at Neocon thinktanks so that they could relocate to America.

    Sharon was a notoriously bloody and reckless leader, with a long history of being willing to undertake strategic gambles of astonishing boldness, sometimes betting everything on a single roll of the dice. He had spent decades seeking the Prime Ministership, and having finally obtained it, he now had his back to the wall, with no obvious source of rescue in sight.

    The 9/11 attacks changed everything. Suddenly the world’s sole superpower was fully mobilized against Arab and Muslim terrorist movements, especially those connected with the Middle East. Sharon’s close Neocon political allies in America used the unexpected crisis as an opportunity to seize control of America’s foreign policy and national security apparatus, with an NSA staffer later reporting that Israeli generals freely roamed the halls of the Pentagon without any security controls. Meanwhile, the excuse of preventing domestic terrorism was used to implement newly centralized American police controls that were employed to harass or even shut down various anti-Zionist political organizations. One of the Israeli Mossad agents arrested by the police in New York City as he and his fellows were celebrating the 9/11 attacks and producing a souvenir film of the burning World Trade Center towers told the officers that “Terrorism is now America’s problem.” And so it immediately became.

    General Wesley Clark reported that soon after the 9/11 attacks he was informed that a secret military plan had somehow come into being under which America would attack and destroy seven major Muslim countries over the next few years, including Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Libya, which coincidentally were all of Israel’s strongest regional adversaries and the leading supporters of the Palestinians. As America began to expend enormous oceans of blood and treasure attacking all of Israel’s enemies after 9/11, Israel itself no longer had as much need to do so, and partly as a consequence, almost no other nation in the world has so enormously improved its strategic and economic situation during the last seventeen years, even while a large fraction of the American population has become completely impoverished during that same period and our country burdened with an insurmountable national debt. A parasite can often grow fat even as its host suffers and declines.

    Another fascinating part of the article below.

    I certainly attempted to locate contrary books supporting the official 9/11 story, but the only one widely discussed was a rather short volume published by Popular Mechanics magazine, whose lead researcher turned out to be the cousin of Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff.

    As for Dick Cheney, he seems to be a fairly devious character. According to Phillip Giraldi, Cheney ordered the forgery of the Habbush letter, which falsely showed an Iraq-Al Qaeda link and an active attempt to buy nuclear weapons grade uranium from Niger. Cheney also seems to have played a role in helping Haliburton to secure $40 billion in no-bid contracts and avoid prosecution for accounting fraud.

    Does this mean Cheney was behind 9/11? Not neccessarily, but I don’t see him as a sedate figure. He seems fairly extreme in some respects.

    Richard Clarke claims that on 9/12/2001, Bush asked him to find evidence that Saddam Hussein was responsible for the attacks. It’s interesting that Bush would think about attacking Iraq so quickly after 9/11.

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    Bush43 is to The Hidden Hand what his grandfather Prescott Bush was to the same as fronted by Averill Harriman. Prescott was President of Brown Brothers Harriman with a 2% shareholding and he fronted and took the rap for "Trading Wuth The Enemy" (Nazi Germany) in 1942. Brown Brothers Harriman came out of Brown Shipley, a Rothschild vehicle. During the Blitz in London, Averill was screwing Winston Churchill's daughter in law Pamela and went to Moscow to hold Stalin's hand after germany invaded Russia in June 1941. So these International Bankers were supporting three sides in WW2, a three peat. and likely USA too. After all they were, no doubt hand on heart, Patriotic Americans.
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  25. Anonymous[136] • Disclaimer says:

    America began to expend enormous oceans of blood and treasure, because America is a Christian nation that believes the Bible.

    “For if the Gentiles have shared in the Jews’ spiritual blessings, they owe it to the Jews to share with them their material blessings.” Romans 15:27

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    Is this passage from the the doctored Scofield version of the Bible?
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  26. Snow Caps says:

    Dear Mr Unz,

    You are very much in the right track attributing the 9-11 attacks to Mossad, and even to Ariel Sharon who had command over Mossad. I would suggest that you extend your inquiry further to who would have control or at least persuasive power over such a wide arc of countries, institutions, and government administrations. The broadness of the concerted action to discredit or to be blind to alternatives to the official US 9-11 narrative points to a more powerful organization than the Israeli government under former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. Some have speculated that a powerful, secretive banking dynasty which has been strongly involved in the avancement of Israel is the only group strong enough to have managed the 9-11 attacks and it’s subsequent cover up.

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  27. Anon[302] • Disclaimer says:

    You know Ron, you don’t have to take everything that the last person told you as gospel. In fact, you’re better off looking at the evidence on both sides, thoroughly–including the evidence that bores you and the evidence you don’t like–rather than just accepting one side’s ideas because they look like they’re more exciting or more fun. Sometimes those ‘exciting’ new theories are just plain wrong.

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  28. Otterboy says:

    I just really hope that this thread doesn’t become engulfed with endless arguments for and against controlled demolition. This is what always tends to happen on 911 articles

    It would be great to focus on how and why this was allowed to happen and I agree with Ron Unz, that it was an attack aided and abetted by the Neocons and Mossad. In my opinion they were real planes and real jihadis that hit the towers. I’m happy to accept that they collapsed due to the damage from the planes because ultimately all of never ending discussions about controlled demolition diverts most of the attention away from what I believe should be the focus of the discussion; who was ultimately responsible?

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    It would be great to focus on how and why this was allowed to happen and I agree with Ron Unz, that it was an attack aided and abetted by the Neocons and Mossad. In my opinion they were real planes and real jihadis that hit the towers.
     
    Imo you hit the key with 'why this was allowed to happen'.
    Let it happen has been my theory.
    Someone(s) knew something and cleared the way for it to succeed.

    If you want to sabotage a bridge for instance all you have to do is remove or weaken certain critical supports and wait for heavy enough traffic to collapse it.

    That every single US agency and check point failed on the same day at the same time is another mystery.

    , @disdain
    I couldn't agree more. Why do we need controlled demo or magic airplanes when it's perfectly obvious that our government just let it happen. American foreign policy certainly set the conditions for an attack, at the very least. Yes Israel may have had a hand but like everything they've accomplished they couldn't do it without a willing accomplice in Washington D.C.
    , @Erebus

    I just really hope that this thread doesn’t become engulfed with endless arguments for and against controlled demolition.
     
    I hope so too, because that issue has long been settled.

    For myself and a few my colleagues, it was settled by lunch on the day of the event. We were all quite surprised to watch the public narrative ignore the obvious and fix itself on airplane collisions and fires as the cause of the collapses. That flew in the face of the empirical facts, and in the face of what an educated person would normally know about how the physical world works. Our general feeling about the switch was that demolitions would overly complicate matters for public consumption, and later that the narrative had been hijacked by those who would use it to go to war and so would need it to remain as simple as possible.

    It was some months later that I & some of those colleagues came to much more sinister conclusions. Had I or they been American, we may have never come to them as fear of losing livelihoods and a lifetime of indoctrination would have guarded our preciously exceptional life narratives. However, we'd all had enough experience of America to know that its national narrative is a mendacious idyll, so had little trouble coming to the conclusion that evil forces within and without the national state structure had roles in the event.

    I agree that America needs a Truth Commission with subpoena powers and a mandate to get to the bottom of 9/11 or it will probably never again be a normal nation. Never mind "great". Unfortunately, should such a commission ever be empanelled, its procedures and findings are as likely to tear the country apart as they are to make it whole. Perhaps even more likely. The creation of such a Commission would be a step of exceptional socio-political courage. I doubt America, as presently constituted, has that courage.

    As with JFK, I don't expect anything other than voices in the wilderness eventually dying away....
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  29. While I considered dangerous thoughts of “LIHOP” from time to time, an article of this kind might have shattered my hesitation to abandon the merry flock for good.

    All 9/11 theories converge to a single, difficult to parse question: What are the consequences? After all, and ignoring the occasional Mossadi reprimandation by bullet, it is still deemed okay to conceptualise all kinds of conspiracies, if only to debunk them. In other words, even dyed-in-the-wool anti zionists are incapable of following through with a rational, coherent policy plan for the tragic aftermath of such a relevation. Maybe on an unconsicous level, the sheer amount of toil, spite and spiritual readjustment seems entirely too herculean for mortal blokes and bureaucrats alike.

    Like a bad marriage where the victim cannot ever conceive of a different life, no matter the abuse and humiliation.

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    Maybe on an unconsicous level, the sheer amount of toil, spite and spiritual readjustment seems entirely too herculean for mortal blokes and bureaucrats alike.

     

    Sometimes people get caught off guard, accidentally follow the 'What are the consequences?' question to it's logical conclusion and then promptly hit the panic button and shut down all further thought processes.

    Personally I don't see the problem. Yes, they did. Yes, they could do it again. Yes, they probably will. But who cares? Statistically, even big false flag terrorist attacks are still less dangerous than crossing the road or drinking beer.
    , @m___

    The whole of the comment, not the article.
     
    We are degenerates, incapable of assuming responsibility, after all, ethics equal supreme opportunism. The "bad guys" own genetic drift and opportunity in the short term. We, the degenerates are left with the priests.

    Keep consuming, opium, religion, never achieved what a consumer cocktail from Amazone, Goooogle and Feces-book can provide.

    The Romans, ...mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
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  30. The ultimate through-the-looking-glass theory of 9/11 that I know, is that Iraq was the primary sponsor of Al Qaeda terrorism against America from 1993 to 2003, and that the CIA and the White House knew this all along, but they covered it up, and tried to deal with it covertly.

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    Is there any proof that a terrorist organisation El Quaida ever existed ?
    The name is said to be the name of a house in Afghanistan.
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  31. How long before they hang 9-11 on Putin? Surprised they haven’t tried already.

    As always, a nice collection of resources and a storyline that plausibly ties them together to hint a suggestion of the truth we are not allowed to hear.

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    Putin's got MH17, as an American remarked 'the Dutch Sept 11'.
    I fully agree with him, the propaganda, the show, the memorials, almost an exact copy.
    And, of course, last but not least, no motive, on the contrary, also as with Sept 11.
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  32. BTW, the term “free fall” is meaningless in this context: Whether or not any of the towers was brought down in a controlled demolition, the falling mass started falling at a speed of zero and accelerated to a speed approaching so-called “free fall.” The acceleration would have been consistent with the force of gravity unless something else impeded it, and in a modern steel & glass tower, there isn’t much to slow the rate of acceleration. The “fact” of the “free fall” is a red herring.

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    The acceleration would have been consistent with the force of gravity unless something else impeded it, and in a modern steel & glass tower, there isn’t much to slow the rate of acceleration.
     
    Surely the remaining lower parts of the tower should have impeded it? By inertia at the very least, if not by strength.
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  33. @Cloak And Dagger
    Congratulations, Ron! This has to be your magnum opus!

    I find it difficult to think of any country in the world that clearly gained as a result of the 9/11 attacks and America’s military reaction, with one single, solitary exception.
     
    Well, we have established that only Israel benefitted from 9/11 - none else. So, with respect to cui bono, there is only one eligible candidate.

    Solving any crime is a combination of determining motive, means, and opportunity. I think you have correctly identified the motive, proving the other two may be a tad harder.

    Did Israel have the means? I believe they did but it would be hard to prove. A compliant mass media provided the air cover to hush up any weaknesses in the official narrative. Zionist control of the media is hardly a secret. A number of zionist players were prominent in furthering that narrative, and even Thomas Keene indicated that the 9/11 Commission report was manipulated by powerful forces. Who was responsible for all the evidence surrounding the towers being shipped off to China? Who was responsible for NIST providing a scientifically impossible report of the collapse of the towers and refusing to explore the possibility of explosives, as required by their own standards? Zionists have injected themselves into positions of power everywhere in government, but who is the mastermind?

    As to opportunity, how coincidental that a drill simulating an aerial attack on the towers was happening exactly at the same time as the actual attack. Who was responsible for organizing this drill and who knew about it? This was a diabolical way to have air traffic controllers, and perhaps even NORAD stand down. I seem to recall that drills of the same nature as the "terrorist attack" were also in progress during the London Underground bombing as well as the Boston Marathon event. So many coincidences boggle the mind!

    An honest investigation would rip the veil off of this deception, but the probability of that happening decreases with each passing day. A venal political establishment, blackmailed or bought by Israel (as they like to boast unashamedly) ensures that our downward spiral will not be arrested by those whom we have elected to protect us.

    It remains for us to save ourselves.

    Ron, I commend you on your extraordinary website, and on the clarity and persuasiveness of your many articles. What remains is providing a means of organizing and uniting our fellow citizens to gather their pitchforks and torches and bring down the infernal castle and set ablaze its monsters within.

    You have done a yeoman's job of raising awareness of our plight and more Americans are awake than ever before. We understand the problem - now we need a solution. We need to organize and unite.

    ” Well, we have established that only Israel benefitted from 9/11 – none else. So, with respect to cui bono, there is only one eligible candidate. ”
    Already on the day itself, when I, with anybody else, still believed the Muslim terror attack, I did not understand why Muslims would do such a thing, it just would harm Muslims.
    So I said to my wife ‘just Israel benefits’.
    At the time I, of course, had not the slightest idea that Bush jr would use the attack as pretext for wars.
    Anatol Lieven also did not foresee this, his article New Cold War, in the Guardian, not yet a Soros property.

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    I woke up here on the west coast with the sight of the airplane crashing into the second tower on my bedroom TV. The day began with astonishment at the audacity of the attack, and I cursed muslims everywhere. The day ended with the sight of building 7 collapsing into its own footprint at free-fall speed without having been hit by a plane, and my astonishment turned into skepticism and woke me from my stupor.

    Now, 17 years later, 9/11 is the litmus test that separates the shills from the rest of us. They are apparent by their posts here on UR. Here is a quick filter:

    1. Point to muslims as terrorists - these are invariably Israelis and their sayanim
    2. Violently defend the official narrative - shills for those who perpetrated the crime
    3. Skeptics and challengers of the official narrative - most of us on UR and elsewhere
    4. Silent acceptance of the official narrative - most Americans, but many are waking up
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  34. @The Alarmist
    How long before they hang 9-11 on Putin? Surprised they haven't tried already.

    As always, a nice collection of resources and a storyline that plausibly ties them together to hint a suggestion of the truth we are not allowed to hear.

    Putin’s got MH17, as an American remarked ‘the Dutch Sept 11′.
    I fully agree with him, the propaganda, the show, the memorials, almost an exact copy.
    And, of course, last but not least, no motive, on the contrary, also as with Sept 11.

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  35. @Mitchell Porter
    The ultimate through-the-looking-glass theory of 9/11 that I know, is that Iraq was the primary sponsor of Al Qaeda terrorism against America from 1993 to 2003, and that the CIA and the White House knew this all along, but they covered it up, and tried to deal with it covertly.

    Is there any proof that a terrorist organisation El Quaida ever existed ?
    The name is said to be the name of a house in Afghanistan.

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    Some people are ready to stretch elementary logic beyond the point of rupture to support the narrative they believe in.
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  36. But I wasn’t sure about the credibility of those claims, . . .

    A lot of us have suspicions but none of us have badges and the ability to arrest people or subpoena evidence and depose witnesses. Getting confirmation is impossible when the state is complicit in the cover-up.

    This poses a dilemma. We tend to believe in our country, but as long as the cover-up continues, we can’t believe in our country. We can’t really trust anything our government says.

    America is stuck, while the world goes on around us.

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    America is stuck, while the world goes on around us
     
    With all due respect, no. More in a bit, but 1st:

    WTC7 was control-demolished, 'proven' by ~2.x secs of free fall [as measured from the video evidence, say, by Chandler], which can only occur when the supports below are as good as 'instantly' removed. Instantly here is 'relative;' if just the one [lowermost] floor is 'removed' using explosives [the only 'practicable' way], then the next floor above can also be 'removed' in the time the building above takes to fall the height of the 'removed' floor. Repeat, noting that the time available per floor decreases as the collapse above goes on, due to - ta ra! - the building above now being in free fall = accelerating downwards due to the now unopposed force of gravity. Long but as necessary. The videos show it.

    As for WTC7, ditto for WTCs 1 & 2, although the methodology was necessarily different; 1st stage beginning at the points of alleged aircraft impacts. There, 45° cuts across the full width of the core, plus explosive cutting of the perimeter walls at the same height, begins the collapse above as for WTC7, and allows for sequential floor-demolitions downwards, all enabled by the gravitational *unloading* achieved in that 1st stage.

    The above in turn required 'privileged' industrial-style access to introduce and install the explosives. *This* is where I declare 'inside job' - else the CIA&Co should all be prosecuted for negligence [admittedly a less serious charge than ~3000 murders]. It does not matter, and never did, who flew any planes [assuming planes were employed], and I just don't care. Of course, the 'standard narrative' requires jihadist hijacked planes, how/why else could they light-off the GWoT? And so, led by the corrupt&venal MSM, the proles all recite: Collapse due to office fires, started by plane impacts; basta!

    Now, back to


    America is stuck, while the world goes on around us
     
    It's not just America, most of the West is infested by the same parasite, with the same effects. Indeed, today it is reported that Mme Merkel&Co are thinking of joining the Syria franchise of the GWoT. rgds

    PS It's now been 17 lo-o-ong, bloody years. Those who cannot 'accept' control-demolition as fact are 'lost' to the rational world. Oh! Only and as always, IMHO.

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  37. Selvar says:

    American Pravda: Flat Earth

    You don’t think it’s coming? Unz once published an article by a guy who claimed that the mass Muslim rape at Cologne was either an inside job or it never happened.

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-muslim-rape-army-is-coming-to-getcha/

    Relevant quote from the article:

    “In particular, the only feasible explanation of why there is no video of anybody being sexually assaulted in Cologne inside or outside the train station on New Year’s Eve is that it never happened. A tree can still fall in the forest without it being caught on camera, but hundreds of women cannot be assaulted in public in the middle of Cologne in 2016 without there being any photos or video. If this had happened, we would have the corresponding visuals and we just don’t.”

    Look, Ron is clearly a brilliant guy. He can make the case that high rates of Hispanic crime is a “myth”. He can deny the holocaust, and he can say that 9/11 was an inside job (a unique combination of views to be sure!). He knows more about these issues than I ever will, but…. but it doesn’t make him right. The fact that he saw fit to publish that Cologne article–which, to be fair, he did not write–makes me take everything he says with more than a grain of salt.

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    Look over there, a squirrel!
    , @AB_Anonymous
    A long post exercising weak logic that can be refuted by just a few lines with
    numbers.
    And it’s definitely not in your interest to let Numbers talk. So ...
    , @Peripatetic commenter
    Nice try Troll.

    Unz publishes articles by many different authors including Fred Reed and that ridiculous guy who claimed that scrabble prowess proves that blacks do not have lower IQs, on average.
    , @Anonymous

    The fact that he saw fit to publish that Cologne article--which, to be fair, he did not write--makes me take everything he says with more than a grain of salt.
     
    I remember that article. Ron Unz publicly disagreed with the author's theory in the comments:

    Well, I managed to get some very troublesome software work finished, so I thought I’d take a look at this amusing thread. And sure enough, Revusky is repeating his “if it had happened, there would be hundreds of videos and photos” argument about any violent event.

    Well, I’m skeptical and explained why when he submitted his long article, which I found quite unpersuasive.
     
    So, can you offer something more substantial to challenge this article? Something other than a deceptive, guilt by association, smear?
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    Unz once published an article by a guy who claimed that the mass Muslim rape at Cologne was either an inside job or it never happened.
     
    An article by "a guy". I guess it would be too much work to google what the author's name was. Well, never mind. The article in question was written by me.

    Now, of course, the alleged "mass Muslim rape at Cologne" never happened. Any honest examination of the case would lead to that conclusion. Just for starters, the most scandalous case that was put out was this woman who was raped, got pregnant, and later got an abortion.... It turns out she was not even in Cologne at the time!

    https://www.rt.com/news/353911-cologne-woman-rape-allegations/

    It turns out she was hundreds of miles away at the time! Just made up the story.

    Well, that's just for starters. When you look at the available information about this Cologne event, everything about it turns out to be dodgy and you end up concluding that it is CLEARLY A HOAX.

    In fact, I came across other information after writing the article that only reinforced my initial conclusion. For example, I later saw that the main guy presented as an eyewitness of the events, one Ivan Jurcevic, is an obvious crisis actor. That is this video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9TOdMzOH1U&t=20s

    It later came to my attention that this Jurcevic (like the notorious Ginnie Watson crisis actress from the Friday 13th Bataclan event in Paris) has an IMDB page: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2406659/

    He also has a couple of publicity reels of his (rather undistinguished) acting career on Youtube, like this one:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR18VZ4lDl4

    The guy is a bloody actor!

    Well, feel free to claim that this is just a coincidence, that this guy is an aspiring actor, fine. But it's almost certainly no coincidence.

    Meanwhile, you have various people who (unlike Jurcevic) look credible and they claim that they were in the area when this was going on and simply saw nothing. There's a Canadian English teacher, Marcia Adair, who was there, and didn't see anything. https://nationalpost.com/news/world/i-was-in-cologne-on-new-years-theres-a-reason-to-be-afraid-and-its-because-of-other-peoples-fear

    Key quote:

    I was at the main station, alone after midnight, as I often am, happy to have had a lovely night watching fireworks at the Rhine. Imagine my surprise, six days later, to discover I had been within 100 metres of a roving gang of rapists without noticing that anything was amiss.
     
    I later came across the testimony of one Alexander Schoen here: https://thecorrespondent.com/4401/time-for-the-facts-what-do-we-know-about-cologne-four-months-later/1073698080444-e20ada1b

    We meet Alexander Schoen, who in October 2015 founded the Hauptbahnhof-Engel (the ‘Train Station Angels’), a group of volunteers who roam the station at night offering free food, drink, and assistance to refugees and others in need. On some nights, he tells us, more than 100 refugees arrive here by train, exhausted from the long journey and often without a follow-up plan.


    Schoen was here on New Year’s Eve and spent hours walking around the station with other volunteers. “The station was packed,” he recalls. “A lot of people seemed drunk.” The mood was aggressive and agitated. He saw two women crying at the front desk of the police station inside the building. Schoen emphasizes that he doesn’t want to cast doubt on the victims’ accounts, he just didn’t personally witness any sexual offences or muggings.

    Schoen’s recollection raises questions. German Justice Minister Heiko Maas called
    Read the Der Spiegel article. the events in Cologne “organized crime.” But if this was truly large-scale, organized crime, how could someone who was patrolling the station not have noticed anything?

     

    I highlighted above the text that Schoen "spent hours walking around the station with other volunteers". Hours.

    This Cologne central railway station is an environment about comparable to Grand Central Station. And at the end of 2015, EVERYBODY had a smartphone in their pocket. Yet there is zero photographic record of any of this alleged mass sexual assault. Again, the main witness, this Jurcevic character, is clearly a crisis actor.

    But you see, look at the links I provide above. I investigated this question and really tried to establish the facts as best I could.

    All of the people on the other side of the debate, claiming that this happened, are simply engaging in storytelling.

    In general, your idea that my article tends to discredit the Unz Review is 180 degrees away from the fact of the matter. I only contributed 6 articles to this review. They can all be seen here: https://www.unz.com/author/jonathan-revusky/

    Under each article, including the "Muslim Rape Army" piece, I was present in the comments section, defending what I had written in hard, but fair debate. It is my considered opinion that NOBODY (and that includes Ron Unz) ever laid a glove on me factually or logically in any debate under my articles.

    If you think they did, then there is a complete electronic record of all the discussion and you can point to where somebody refuted anything I ever said in any article, where they shot me down in flying colors. Go ahead... But no.... even if, by some chance I am wrong about the Cologne thing, nobody ever demonstrated that I was! And I don't think they ever will...

    Now, meanwhile, you do have a point, which is that Unz does publish some utter crap. Like, for example, (an extreme example) there is that deranged woman Ilana Mercer. Like, recently, she was arguing that Obama was ignoring an ongoing "genocide" of white people in South Africa. http://www.unz.com/imercer/obama-ignores-genocide-in-south-africa/

    The "genocide" is a problem with attacks on farms in which 50 to 60 white farmers are killed in an average year. (Note that there are over 4 million whites in South Africa!) Also note that there are about 19,000 homicides a year in South Africa (of all races combined). But that's not a "genocide" apparently, just the 50 or 60 white farmers. Well, it's a serious matter, even one murder of anybody of any race is tragic, but these numbers do not constitute a genocide!

    So, the Unz Review does provide serious alternative geopolitical analysis from very good writers, but then it's all mixed up with that kind of crap. Ilana Mercer, or all these VDare cranks claiming that there is a rape epidemic going on in Europe and pointing at these kinds of synthetic events like Cologne that pretty clearly never happened.

    Things like this Cologne hoax have legs because the people behind them know that the ideological writers of the sort who write here (and on Breitbart and VDare and people like Paul Joseph Watson and Stefan Molyneux and all the rest) will never really fact-check such a story if it is ideologically useful to them.

    But anyway, of course, the Cologne thing is a hoax. Of course, the official story on 9/11 is untrue. Of course, the Holocaust is basically a synthetic narrative. It is pretty clear that there were no homicidal gas chambers in Auschwitz or any other camp.

    It doesn't actually take a lot of investigation to establish these things. So these stories did not happen and that's that. It doesn't matter how ideologically useful a narrative is. If the story is impossible, it simply did not happen.
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  38. Otterboy says:
    @Cloak And Dagger
    Congratulations, Ron! This has to be your magnum opus!

    I find it difficult to think of any country in the world that clearly gained as a result of the 9/11 attacks and America’s military reaction, with one single, solitary exception.
     
    Well, we have established that only Israel benefitted from 9/11 - none else. So, with respect to cui bono, there is only one eligible candidate.

    Solving any crime is a combination of determining motive, means, and opportunity. I think you have correctly identified the motive, proving the other two may be a tad harder.

    Did Israel have the means? I believe they did but it would be hard to prove. A compliant mass media provided the air cover to hush up any weaknesses in the official narrative. Zionist control of the media is hardly a secret. A number of zionist players were prominent in furthering that narrative, and even Thomas Keene indicated that the 9/11 Commission report was manipulated by powerful forces. Who was responsible for all the evidence surrounding the towers being shipped off to China? Who was responsible for NIST providing a scientifically impossible report of the collapse of the towers and refusing to explore the possibility of explosives, as required by their own standards? Zionists have injected themselves into positions of power everywhere in government, but who is the mastermind?

    As to opportunity, how coincidental that a drill simulating an aerial attack on the towers was happening exactly at the same time as the actual attack. Who was responsible for organizing this drill and who knew about it? This was a diabolical way to have air traffic controllers, and perhaps even NORAD stand down. I seem to recall that drills of the same nature as the "terrorist attack" were also in progress during the London Underground bombing as well as the Boston Marathon event. So many coincidences boggle the mind!

    An honest investigation would rip the veil off of this deception, but the probability of that happening decreases with each passing day. A venal political establishment, blackmailed or bought by Israel (as they like to boast unashamedly) ensures that our downward spiral will not be arrested by those whom we have elected to protect us.

    It remains for us to save ourselves.

    Ron, I commend you on your extraordinary website, and on the clarity and persuasiveness of your many articles. What remains is providing a means of organizing and uniting our fellow citizens to gather their pitchforks and torches and bring down the infernal castle and set ablaze its monsters within.

    You have done a yeoman's job of raising awareness of our plight and more Americans are awake than ever before. We understand the problem - now we need a solution. We need to organize and unite.

    “An honest investigation would rip the veil off of this deception, but the probability of that happening decreases with each passing day. A venal political establishment, blackmailed or bought by Israel (as they like to boast unashamedly) ensures that our downward spiral will not be arrested by those whom we have elected to protect us.”

    Agreed. A thorough independent investigation is what is required. However the chances of that ever happening are about zero and anyone else involved has gotten away with it.

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    A thorough independent investigation is what is required. However the chances of that ever happening are about zero and anyone else involved has gotten away with it.
     
    I am not ready to throw in the towel yet. A petition has been filed for a grand jury, and as outlined in the video below, it cannot be denied. So, an investigation will happen. What happens afterward is unclear.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcke2K_odLw
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  39. Tyrion 2 says:

    It has been really sad to watch an obviously bright and well-accomplished man descend into abject lunacy.

    I’ve not seen it happen in real time before. I don’t like it. I struggled to even open the article. Please at least chat with a professional – why not?

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    Instead of traumatising yourself speculating over Ron Unz's mental health, why not just fuck off yourself? That way everyone would benefit.
    , @Anon
    You’re a chauvinist Israel Uber Alles Jew incapable of objective thought about Jews or Israel, just as Al Sharpton is incapable of objective thought about black crime .
    , @J.Ross
    I cannot put into words how happy I am that the accusation of apparent insanity is so utterly dead. What does sanity look like? Seeing Russians everywhere, seeing Nazis everywhere, seeing WMD everywhere, believing that Americans outside the coastal echo chamber wanted as president the most consistently and violently hated political figure in my lifetime, thinking sex organs are interchangeable, and expecting that a diversity can be a safe society?
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  40. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:

    In the week after 9/11, in the Washington, D.C. area, the news stands ran a special 9/11 photo magazine issue at the checkouts. I bought this issue from Giant Food and looked through it thoroughly. I recall at the time that there was some outcry from the Arabs/Middle East over magazine deciding to run these pictures of Arabs in the West Bank cheering on 9/11. I remember at the time how politically incorrect I thought it was for them to do this.

    When the news came out about the first death from the anthrax attacks, which was Robert Stevens, a photo editor at National Enquirer/AMI, Inc. in Florida, I was baffled why this guy would be targeted. So out of curiosity I went to get my 9/11 magazine special and turned to the back where the credits were. I saw that the magazine was published by AMI, Inc., and the photo editor for the issue was Robert Stevens. I realized that either he was targeted by some Middle East/Arabs in retaliation for running the photos of the West Bank, or, someone wanted people to make that connection. Then after two months when this didn’t get traction Barbara Hatch Rosenberg started accusing Steven Hatfill and making connections to white racism and his time in Rhodesia.

    Also, another attempt was made to link it to Arabs/Arab country in the Middle East because of the box writing slanting downward from left to right on the address on the envelope. Suggesting the person who wrote the letter was an Arab and writes from left to right (which would naturally slant upward as you write). Arabic and Hebrew both go from right to left.

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    I meant to say Arabic writing goes from right to left.
    , @Anon
    You remind me that I didn't quite get the relevance to 9/11 of the anthrax story unless it was just another example of MSM (disordeeed) priorities of the most general kind. Have I missed something?
    , @Bombercommand
    The photo you refer to was a hoax, or more accurately the caption was a hoax. There were no Palestinians cheering the WTC bombings. Its not much of a mystery (((who))) would want Americans to believe Palestinians were cheering the WTC bombings, and own the media outlets that could rig the hoax. Also, the grocery store is called Food Giant, if you're in Haifa pretending to live in Houston, at least make an effort to get the name right.
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  41. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    In the week after 9/11, in the Washington, D.C. area, the news stands ran a special 9/11 photo magazine issue at the checkouts. I bought this issue from Giant Food and looked through it thoroughly. I recall at the time that there was some outcry from the Arabs/Middle East over magazine deciding to run these pictures of Arabs in the West Bank cheering on 9/11. I remember at the time how politically incorrect I thought it was for them to do this.

    When the news came out about the first death from the anthrax attacks, which was Robert Stevens, a photo editor at National Enquirer/AMI, Inc. in Florida, I was baffled why this guy would be targeted. So out of curiosity I went to get my 9/11 magazine special and turned to the back where the credits were. I saw that the magazine was published by AMI, Inc., and the photo editor for the issue was Robert Stevens. I realized that either he was targeted by some Middle East/Arabs in retaliation for running the photos of the West Bank, or, someone wanted people to make that connection. Then after two months when this didn’t get traction Barbara Hatch Rosenberg started accusing Steven Hatfill and making connections to white racism and his time in Rhodesia.

    Also, another attempt was made to link it to Arabs/Arab country in the Middle East because of the box writing slanting downward from left to right on the address on the envelope. Suggesting the person who wrote the letter was an Arab and writes from left to right (which would naturally slant upward as you write). Arabic and Hebrew both go from right to left.

    I meant to say Arabic writing goes from right to left.

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  42. @Selvar
    American Pravda: Flat Earth

    You don't think it's coming? Unz once published an article by a guy who claimed that the mass Muslim rape at Cologne was either an inside job or it never happened.

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-muslim-rape-army-is-coming-to-getcha/

    Relevant quote from the article:

    "In particular, the only feasible explanation of why there is no video of anybody being sexually assaulted in Cologne inside or outside the train station on New Year’s Eve is that it never happened. A tree can still fall in the forest without it being caught on camera, but hundreds of women cannot be assaulted in public in the middle of Cologne in 2016 without there being any photos or video. If this had happened, we would have the corresponding visuals and we just don’t."

    Look, Ron is clearly a brilliant guy. He can make the case that high rates of Hispanic crime is a "myth". He can deny the holocaust, and he can say that 9/11 was an inside job (a unique combination of views to be sure!). He knows more about these issues than I ever will, but.... but it doesn't make him right. The fact that he saw fit to publish that Cologne article--which, to be fair, he did not write--makes me take everything he says with more than a grain of salt.

    Look over there, a squirrel!

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  43. Erebus says:
    @Alan Reid
    For every truth seekers considerations....
    So, Would anyone like to take a crack explaining the fact of the 99 day long fire on the "GROUND ZERO" site?

    Well for nearly 10 years i have been doing just that...

    I have seen Zero refutations for my theory.

    FDNY called the end of fire on December 19 2001.

    Now what could have caused a rubble filled concrete basement to burn for 99 days?

    What could have caused reports of boots melting,molten steel,Like a foundry and shit like the 'Meteorite'?

    How do you get 1200 degree temperature measurements from a satellite Infrared thermography a month after the event?

    Every single rescue dog that worked that pile is DEAD, Most of the persons that worked that pile are sick or dead.

    Sure there was and asbestos part to play,A certain americium touch from the Smoke detectors,and a mercury component.... but do you think the damage from asbestos and those others would be limited to the first responders ...??

    These two ground breaking worlds tallest buildings both had a device installed on the 110 floor, Floor space of VERY coveted nature for TV and radio equipment.. Space measured by the inch for it's placement at the top of those towers...

    That device was known as a tuned mass damper system... A system that made the very flexible towers work in the New York winds.... With out them working the tower had to be evacuated lest the occupants be made seasick from the swaying. If you worked near the top and had to endure this you would never set foot in this building again from the fear.

    Now this Tuned Mass Damper is a well understood thing in very tall buildings, The mass is used to counteract the wind loading and spring back effect of counter loading turbulence around the outside of the square tube structure.

    A building like this had to have a very advanced version of a TMD to make the building safe, An active tuned mass damper system. The mass was controlled by a series of connections like Shock Absorbers, These were used to digitally modulate the motions of the damper to increase the efficiency of the system and give it a better damping signature in the environment they worked.

    I contend the main portion of those dampers the mass part were made of two parts a concrete box with a steel bottom plating and a filling of Uranium-238 granules for the mass part. With the limited and costly space requirements this would be the most efficient material to use to do this work, And had a secondary use.... After life of the structure had expired.

    Uranium-238 is what is known a pyrophoric substance.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrophoricity

    If you get it hot enough it will burn until it is totally consumed, Now i have never intentionally burned 600 PLUS TONS of U-238 but i can tell you it will burn in excess of 5600 degrees... And it's not going to burn fast either.... But rather as a process over time according to the environment it is contained.

    Each tower had a TMD system, Each of those systems was over 600 tons i weight. That 600 tons of weight was directly over the top of the express elevator shaft... That shaft having only a few parts of obstruction to the basements. Or to say it another way... Only a few secondary explosions away from a perfect drop chute from the bottom of the damper to the lower parking levels of each tower.

    Once burning there is no hope of putting out these fires. And has anyone else noted the symptoms of the men working at 'GROUND ZERO" have the same traits of GULF WAR SYNDROME???

    So you have read the claim i have about the fire that burned for 99 days without any added fuel. I claim these men are victims of a Uranium-238 fire from structural building components.

    But the Structural components part is SECONDARY to the main use for all that uranium, Evidence disposal.



    Or to say it another way... The twin towers were built from day one with this 9/11 event in mind.



    Later on i will let you all in on how they used sheet explosives to do the demo... That too was built in from day one of this project.


    #2

    Anyone want to hear the other bit?



    Fuck it here goes....



    Now this theory has had some years work to fit the many claims into a tolerable narrative of the Demo and WHY it was a demo.
    I started with the video record, I watched every frame over and over again, All the angles and from all the vantage points.
    Then i looked at the things needed to make the video possible, That took some doing.
    Then i looked at the gravity of building a pair of towers in the heart of the financial district.... The shit i saw in doing this was stunning...
    So to part one.
    By now everyone that is thinking and sane can tell these towers were victims of 3 controlled demolition. Much has been said to cloud and obfuscate what really happened, Read (mini-nukes),(Nano-thermate),(Thermite). but all that is just plain Crap. Reach over flip the lever and flush it down.
    There has been a gargantuan play book of the towers were weak and near ready to fall bullshit flowing from many angles, Well i will just tell you that is also Crap,Flush #2.

    That being flushed into the septic tank we can move on to INSURANCE and the persons that play that game...Now you don't get involved in something like a pair of 1400 foot tall buildings without having given the matter some serious thought, And given the real estate the were being built on the entire lifespan of them HAD to be dealt with from the first shovel full of dirt to their eventual removal after they had reached their end of life cycle. Many of the structures in this sort of environment have similar regulatory constraints on their construction and many of them fall into the 'If shit goes bad WHAT THEN' category.

    Insurance fellows are annoyingly like screaming toddlers about liability and who is on the hook if shit does indeed go bad.... They produce scenario after scenario to cover their asses and avoid having to pay out huge sums of cash. These towers are perfect examples of this game theory run amok.
    You could not do anything until these forces have a compelling path to fallow from point 'A' to point 'Z' with them still holding all that loot.

    This is where it gets real good. If you want to put this pair of worlds tallest buildings on the WTC site you had to assure them they would never fear about the liability. Being so tall they were a natural for aircraft crashes, So they had to be strong enough to withstand SEVERAL Boeing 707 aircraft hitting them( you may be wrong if you think you know what 'Several' actually means. I think the real number was 6, but some say the game scape went to assurances up to seven of them.

    Now the regulators demanded that above all the other dangers of very tall structures these ones had to fend off some serious threats.
    So fire and terrorism or any other threat the other buildings surrounding these structures might have to endure had to have thick volumes of assurance that none of them would visit... Pucker factor #1 for the engineers. Then they had to deal with the eventual 'What to do after they are rusted junk and need to be removed' part of the whole scheme... Pucker factor #2. But wait it gets even better, The common industry method of this part of a building like these would produce a HUGE level of LIABILITY ot the owners of these structures... and here is where you will have to do some life sentences to the men that OK'd this plan... They decided that Yes they will eventually have to be brought down and yes there was going to be some real bank killing damages to their cash flows, So what to do....

    Call in the Big gun Lawyers and run the game engine until the whole mess is gravy... so what did they think up? Deflect liability with legislation about 'Acts of Terror'
    Once they had a plan they went to the engineers and said 'Well, what do you think, Can you do it?' And the pay loving engineer set said sure thin boss not a problem at all.

    Once they had a mandate they started to work out the logistics of covering all the bases in regard what was needed to make it all work, If they but Apollo they will buy ANYTHING. So the put to work, First need was a plan to make the perfect demo job for a building that was not even on paper yet, The problem was that for all the chess pieces to have enough room on the board much of the demo work had to be built into the structure at the initial stages of assembly, but taking a page from the NASA boys they came up with the corrugated floor pans that every single floor would eventually be built.

    Those would be made from two near identical sheets formed so as when they were put together there was enough space in between for a RDX charge just thick enough to do the job, then the two sheets and the sheet explosive were induction welded on every seam to 'ADD strength' and bond it into one single unit... Then they made the entire puzzle of this building with these units, I don't recall the number of them but their was a shit load of them. Every floor was started with those pans in a grid, and once the concrete was poured, Nobody would ever know that the towers had a bomb on every single floor hidden away in those units. Part one of the big show was in play, the time was the early days of construction.

    The next big deal need was to deal with all the structural steel this pair was built.. This one needed some real intense thinking, but scum bag engineers had a book full of nasty shit to pull for those that pay the bills and supply the power they want... so they went to work and thought up the Asbestos fireproofing. I think the term used was " I got an angle' and like that Stern went bonkers and the towers were liberally coated with the then known carcinogenic substance, and just to up the nasty meter even higher they tiled much of the floor work with tiles of the same shit Asbestos... What they wanted was an excuse to later do a bunch of refitting of that material fuck up and do some EXTRA additions...in the form of copper shape charges, once they applied the charges they re applied the new fireproofing and nobody was any wiser and they had part two dealt with, so now on to part three...

    What the fuck do we do with all the required records of all this clandestine work done to these towers that they needed to keep that fall going right on target of that foot print... Well like most they shoved it all into the basements for 'Safe keeping' as the day drew near they hoovered up a shitload of the bullion stored there and removed it, leaving a token amount to point at.,,

    That's where our previous friend the TMD came in, It's job was to ensure every single thing used to make the whole sick plan work every drawing every inventory every blueprint every single computer file EVERYTHING that could convict them of this crime was totally destroyed 100%... Sounds like a job for a blast furnace to me chimed one of the minions and the U-238 TMD was GO!

    After enough time had passed and the big show drew near they had a power down pow-wow and installed all the logic and detonators, all the delays and other bits needed to do in stuff like the elevators and other large shit like the hat truss and associated gear, into the Free spaces above everyone's head hidden away inside the ceiling spaces waited a command from building #7 that had similar work done to it's structure... All that remained was the holy fucking shit of 2 aircraft crashes. and the play was ready to start.

    Everyone was a witness to the events, everyone saw the falling man, Everyone saw the smoke and fire... and everyone bought the instantaneous lies that came pouring out of every single yammering bobble head working in TeeVeee land... Bought the lies that came form the highest positions of power. They paid BILLIONS upon BILLIONS to get this show started and they went nuts like no other before them, they blew the shit out of several countries in the Mid-East, they looted every single bar of gold they could lay their grimy blood soaked hands on and sat back and dared you to think about the height of their super crime and do anything.

    We now sit here nearing the end of 2018, Not one of the persons with the blood on their hands is even being looked at let alone dealt with.... Because you did not get my memo... Well you cannot un-ring the bell no matter how hard you try... Now do your fucking job America and deal with this event before you all regret not doing so.



    Time is short now folks, The ball is in your court...

    Astonishing.
    I hadn’t considered that the buildings would have had a mass damper, and not only for counteracting winds but also earth tremors.

    Interesting implications..Thanks for posting.

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  44. @Tyrion 2
    It has been really sad to watch an obviously bright and well-accomplished man descend into abject lunacy.

    I've not seen it happen in real time before. I don't like it. I struggled to even open the article. Please at least chat with a professional - why not?

    Instead of traumatising yourself speculating over Ron Unz’s mental health, why not just fuck off yourself? That way everyone would benefit.

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    Wow. Touchy, today. You couldn't just ignore that? It was that important that you respond? And in such an infantile manner?
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  45. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:

    9/11 was an inside job. The fact that the Jews and their shabbos goyim were “inside” doesn’t change that. The body did what the parasite commanded.

    It’s a matter of semantics, I guess.

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    It is 100% certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. ....And what Americans need to understand is they did it! And if they do understand it, Israel will flat ass disappear from this earth!

    Dr. Alan Sabrosky...former US War College Director
     
    It is not a matter of semantics, but a matter of the origin of the orders. The Mossad is not an agency of the United States of America. The orders came from Israel.
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  46. bucky says:
    @Tim Howells
    Re the claimed decreases in crime rates in cities with a massive influx of immigrants from south of the border, this is most likely due to the ethnic cleansing of blacks by better armed and organized latino gangs. Hispanic violent crime rates are typically 2-3 times White rates, while Black rates are 5-7 times White rates. Therefore if you just look at rates within these cities you could expect to see statistically significant decreases in crime. As you say, more studies are needed, but I think this is the likely explanation.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=latino+gang+blacks+california+cities+%22ethnic+cleansing%22&t=ffsb&ia=images

    Yes, that is why. The author makes it very obvious. Anything wrong with that?

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    Sorry if I'm missing something, but I didn't see that either in the original articles on the effects of Hispanic immigration on crime rates, or the current one. A pointer would be appreciated. In the current article Ron Unz says

    “Hispanics have approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age.”
     
    I think that's incorrect, but I can understand the result if the methodology was to compare crime rates before and after massive Hispanic immigration into particular cities, without taking into account the displacement of black populations. I'm working from memory here, so I'll happily stand corrected if I missed something.
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  47. Che Guava says:

    Greg,

    The insider trading based on prior knowlege is a simple fact, evident from stock market records of the time.

    An investigation was announced at the time, but seems to have never proceeded.

    The owners at the time, ‘Larry’ Silverstein and ‘Frank Lowy’, both made ridiculous amounts of insurance money from it. It seems a little like just a much more complex version of the old ‘hire someone to do arson on your own building’ stunt, as far as they are concerned.

    From my reading, such incidents were or are quite common in the largest city in Lowy’s nation of residence (sometimes for the insurance, sometimes to remove the reasons of a stubborn owner), but the arsonists at least would generally try to be sure that there was nobody in the buildings at the time they were burning them.

    That Lowy’s share of ownership is almost never mentioned is also a minor point of interest.

    Cui bono?

    I am noting that Mr. Unz is pulling his punches on the subsequent anthrax-ridden mail incidents, may be worth a future AmPra, although the investigation was quietly ended after the framed men were proven to be innocent and the real likely culprit identified, but neither prosecuted nor persecuted.

    That also was very strange.

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    It's called "jewish lightnng"--destroying your own property for the insurance proceeds.
    On a much smaller scale, a successful chain of department stores in the Detroit area succumbed to "jewish lightning" one store at a time.
    The jewish owner of this business was so brazen that he actually took out television ads with himself holding a fireman's helmet, declaring that "we would have a fire sale this week, but we didn't have one"...
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  48. Zionist Israel and the Zionist controlled deep state did 911 and murdered some 3000 Americans and got away with it and every thinking American knows that Israel and the deep state did it.

    There were 7 WTC buildings destroyed on 911, WTC buildings 3,4,5,6,7 and the twin towers and they were destroyed by directed energy weapons, see drjudywood.com for the details.

    America went to war in the Mideast for the Zionists over a lie.

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  49. jb says:

    The conspiracy theories about 9/11 started flying within days after the attacks. There was no careful analysis, just instant gut excitement over the prospect of exposing a vast network of evil that the theorists always knew had to exist.

    Many of the initial arguments were blatantly idiotic, but over the years the worst arguments have been discarded and the remaining arguments refined and elaborated in a sort of Darwinian process that has increased the fitness of the theory, making it more and more plausible sounding and difficult to refute. All theologies go through this process — our libraries are full of books of Christian or Communist apologetics which, if you were to make the mistake of taking them seriously, would take a lifetime to fully unravel. But the goal is never truth; the goal is always to confound the unbelievers, and prove that the believers were right all along.

    The Truthers knew instantly and intuitively that 9/11 had to be a conspiracy, but it’s taken them years to decide exactly what the conspiracy was going to be, and to craft a narrative sophisticated enough to suck in someone like Ron. I am so, so sorry that Ron has made the mistake of taking this seriously. It’s going to be bad for his reputation, bad for the site, and bad for everyone associated with the site.

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    • Replies: @Wade
    This admittedly is the one of the oldest and most effective techniques to silence anyone. Threaten them with their reputation and social status if they keep at a particular topic.

    I don't think this is going to fly anymore regarding Israel. Too many people are angry about the control Israel exerts over the USA. By the early 1990's 75% of Americans no longer believed in the lone gunman theory of the JFK assassination. Despite plenty of reasons to at least consider Israel as a suspect for the crime and to further investigate it, these leads were censored by the main media organs of the US and especially by Hollywood.

    As of last year, 51% of US residents don't believe the government's official 911 story. Thanks to the internet and all of it's visual footage of eyewitness testimony to the events of 911, something the JFK episode lacked, there will over the next couple of years be a quick conflagration of the government's cover story in the eyes of the public. People will want an explanation and as Ron has convincingly argued the "Israel Did It" theme will overwhelm all other possibilities due to it's relative plausibility: The mental picture of the government spending vast amounts of resources trying to find the other Muslim conspirators yet coming up empty handed all the while hundreds of Mossad agents were being arrested, some with bombs in their vans, and being quietly escorted back to Israel, all courtesy of the dual Israeli citizens at the helm, speaks a thousand words.

    The media cannot contain this.

    The Israelis have really overplayed their hand this time. Even assuming they did not do 911, they really should have turned the hijackers in to the authorities and helped to prevent the disaster so that future administrations could tout this as an example of the importance of continued cooperation with Israel and its raison d'être. Instead, Israel will forever be suspected as the culprits.

    , @Greg S.
    This brilliant video does nothing more than sum up the "official" 9/11 narrative that I suppose people like "jb" believe faithfully. It boggles the mind just how anyone could believe a conspiracy theory as outrageous as the official narrative:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98
    , @pensword
    So, you're telling us that conspiracies simply don't happen unless we're informed of them by the government and mass media.

    Correct?
    , @Sean

    But the goal is never truth; the goal is always to confound the unbelievers, and prove that the believers were right all along.
     
    Religions that work to preserve the community that believes in them have justified their existence. John N. Gray on Leopardi

    Christianity was a reaction against corrosive doubt, a condition that took hold partly as a result of the habit of sceptical inquiry inculcated by philosophy: “What was destroying the world was the lack of illusions. Christianity saved it, not because it was the truth but because it was a new source of illusion.”
     
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  50. Sean says:

    Particularly contentious was the question of Hispanic immigrant crime rates, which I claimed were roughly the same as those of whites, a position that virtually all those professors and authors denounced as utter lunacy. That particular dispute went on for so many years that eventually I no longer even bothered to argue the case, but just every now and then provided some satirical jibes on the topic.

    True as far as it goes, but Hispanics have been brought up in Hispanic culture. The offspring of those immigrants, having been brought up in American culture, make for a better genetics to genetics comparison. So far, it seems they assimilate in an increasingly negative way with every generation. It’s called Downward Assimilation.

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  51. You should talk to Ryan Dawson.

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  52. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Biff
    One question:
    If no airplanes flew into the buildings including the pentagon, where did they and the passengers go?

    Dunno. Same place as Malaysian Airlines MH370?

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  53. Hans says:

    The Brothers Kurzberg crew in their zeal “to document the event” did not fail to hold aloft a lit cigarette lighter (https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Paul_Kurzberg).

    “The five aroused attention in New Jersey after people noticed them going to unusual lengths to photograph the World Trade Center ruins and making light of the situation. One photograph developed by the F.B.I. showed Sivan Kurzberg holding a lighted lighter in the foreground, with the smoldering wreckage in the background, said Steven Noah Gordon, a lawyer for the five.

    As objectionable as their behavior may be, Mr. Gordon said of their long incarceration, ”It’s not a crime and they were being treated as if it was.”

    Will the goyim ever be permitted to learn what the other photos contain?

    For the most comprehensive collection of taboo facts, see Israel did 9/11 – ALL THE PROOF IN THE WORLDhttp://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=5367.0

    Juval “They Could Have Planted a Truck Bomb AS WE DID” Aviv slips up – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5EFzG7eVoc

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    I forgot to add the source for the quote: https://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/21/us/nation-challenged-detainees-dozens-israeli-jews-are-being-kept-federal-detention.html
    , @Anon
    The cigarette lighter was probably a religious burnt offering symbol.
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  54. anarchyst says:
    @Che Guava
    Greg,

    The insider trading based on prior knowlege is a simple fact, evident from stock market records of the time.

    An investigation was announced at the time, but seems to have never proceeded.

    The owners at the time, 'Larry' Silverstein and 'Frank Lowy', both made ridiculous amounts of insurance money from it. It seems a little like just a much more complex version of the old 'hire someone to do arson on your own building' stunt, as far as they are concerned.

    From my reading, such incidents were or are quite common in the largest city in Lowy's nation of residence (sometimes for the insurance, sometimes to remove the reasons of a stubborn owner), but the arsonists at least would generally try to be sure that there was nobody in the buildings at the time they were burning them.

    That Lowy's share of ownership is almost never mentioned is also a minor point of interest.

    Cui bono?

    I am noting that Mr. Unz is pulling his punches on the subsequent anthrax-ridden mail incidents, may be worth a future AmPra, although the investigation was quietly ended after the framed men were proven to be innocent and the real likely culprit identified, but neither prosecuted nor persecuted.

    That also was very strange.

    It’s called “jewish lightnng”–destroying your own property for the insurance proceeds.
    On a much smaller scale, a successful chain of department stores in the Detroit area succumbed to “jewish lightning” one store at a time.
    The jewish owner of this business was so brazen that he actually took out television ads with himself holding a fireman’s helmet, declaring that “we would have a fire sale this week, but we didn’t have one”…

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    Half the Bronx section of NYC was destroyed by Jewish lighting when the black tenants were organized into rent strikes by government funded Jewish tenants rights foundations.

    It was Jewish red diaper baby conspiring with the Jewish bourgeoisie. Both benefited. The bourgeoisie got out of the Bronx with plenty of money The Jewish red diaper baby tenants rights attorneys went on to run the government for the benefit of Jews and Israel
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  55. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    Wow, Ron's finally woken up.

    Welcome to the real world, Mr. Unz!

    Wow, Ron’s finally woken up.

    Welcome to the real world, Mr. Unz!

    Ron woke up some time ago.

    He has been battling the matrix fearlessly for many years.

    But it staggers the imagination that this subject is completely buried within the hallowed halls of the MSM.

    Doesen’t anyone want to win a Pulitzer prize?

    This is the most important story of our time–perhaps any time given the threat of war with Russia– and no one talks about it in the MSM.

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    Ron woke up some time ago.

    He has been battling the matrix fearlessly for many years.

     

    With respect to this particular topic, this is Ron's first foray. Until recently, he made a point of generally keeping neutral yet occasionally allowing his skepticism to leak out.

    Do you remember the exchange between him and Jonathan Revusky?
    , @Dan
    "Doesn’t anyone want to win a Pulitzer prize?"

    They obviously value their lives over the prospects of winning a Pulitzer.

    This also shows why virtually all of the mainstream alleged "investigative reporters" are themselves deep state. If Sy Hersh, Bob Woodward, and their ilk are honestly so interested in uncovering nefarious activities in and around the government apparatus, why not go here? Even a cursory examination shows how much there is to run with.
    , @Johnny Smoggins
    Ron should get a Pulitzer for all the investigative work he's done.

    He won't of course. Instead it will go to a black, female "journalist" writing the one millionth article about her experiences as a black woman in America.
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  56. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kaffeebock
    While I considered dangerous thoughts of "LIHOP" from time to time, an article of this kind might have shattered my hesitation to abandon the merry flock for good.

    All 9/11 theories converge to a single, difficult to parse question: What are the consequences? After all, and ignoring the occasional Mossadi reprimandation by bullet, it is still deemed okay to conceptualise all kinds of conspiracies, if only to debunk them. In other words, even dyed-in-the-wool anti zionists are incapable of following through with a rational, coherent policy plan for the tragic aftermath of such a relevation. Maybe on an unconsicous level, the sheer amount of toil, spite and spiritual readjustment seems entirely too herculean for mortal blokes and bureaucrats alike.

    Like a bad marriage where the victim cannot ever conceive of a different life, no matter the abuse and humiliation.

    Maybe on an unconsicous level, the sheer amount of toil, spite and spiritual readjustment seems entirely too herculean for mortal blokes and bureaucrats alike.

    Sometimes people get caught off guard, accidentally follow the ‘What are the consequences?’ question to it’s logical conclusion and then promptly hit the panic button and shut down all further thought processes.

    Personally I don’t see the problem. Yes, they did. Yes, they could do it again. Yes, they probably will. But who cares? Statistically, even big false flag terrorist attacks are still less dangerous than crossing the road or drinking beer.

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  57. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist
    BTW, the term "free fall" is meaningless in this context: Whether or not any of the towers was brought down in a controlled demolition, the falling mass started falling at a speed of zero and accelerated to a speed approaching so-called "free fall." The acceleration would have been consistent with the force of gravity unless something else impeded it, and in a modern steel & glass tower, there isn't much to slow the rate of acceleration. The "fact" of the "free fall" is a red herring.

    The acceleration would have been consistent with the force of gravity unless something else impeded it, and in a modern steel & glass tower, there isn’t much to slow the rate of acceleration.

    Surely the remaining lower parts of the tower should have impeded it? By inertia at the very least, if not by strength.

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    As he said "there isn't much to slow the acceleration".
    , @j2
    "The Alarmist claimed: The acceleration would have been consistent with the force of gravity unless something else impeded it, and in a modern steel & glass tower, there isn’t much to slow the rate of acceleration.

    Anonymous answered> Surely the remaining lower parts of the tower should have impeded it? By inertia at the very least, if not by strength."

    Anonymous, you are quite correct and Alarmist is quite incorrect.

    In
    http://www.911myths.com/WTCONC1.pdf
    there is an effort of a supporter of the official theory to calculate how much energy breaking the structures demanded (steel and concrete). He comes to the result that it required a bit over half of the kinetic energy of falling upper part. I find the calculation reasonable and it shows Alarmist wrong.

    In the second Quora answer in
    https://www.quora.com/Did-WTC-buildings-1-2-and-7-actually-come-down-at-near-free-fall-acceleration-on-9-11-How-significant-is-the-difference-compared-to-precise-freefall
    you find a simple calculation verifying that WTC2 came down with almost exact free-fall acceleration. This means that there was practically no energy spent on breaking structures.

    But the previous calculation demonstrated that a bit over half of the energy was spent on breaking structures. The conclusion from these two is that gravitation cannot explain both the acceleration and breaking of structures. External energy is necessary.

    The calculation that concrete could be pulverized and steel structures could be broken by the kinetic energy of the falling upper part ignores the unavoidable affect that breaking structures below necessarily breaks (pulverizes to a cloud) the floors above, i.e., the collapse cannot continue much over half of the building in this way. Thus, the believer in the official theory, who made the calculation, must have some blind spot. He simply ignores what would have happened to the upper floors and focuses on at the start of the collapse, just like NIST did. That is dishonest from a debunker.

    It is very depressive to read the efforts of people who try to debunk the demolition theory. Either they have a brain damage or they are consciously lying. I cannot believe that they could be so stupid not to notice the problem, yet make quite reasonable calculations for the energy required to break the structures.

    Just simply try to break concrete and you will notice that it is rather heavy work. Work done in a time is energy. Breaking requires energy. This energy is away from accelerating the mass. Therefore the mass cannot fall on a near free-fall speed. This is basic physics and does not require expertise in structural engineering. Alarmist could be correct if this energy would be a small fraction of the kinetic energy of the upper floors, but it is not a small fraction, it is a bit over half, or at least one fourth if we consider breaking only of one floor, not two as in the article above.

    There are debunkers and debunkers. Those cases that I have checked the debunkers were as a rule incorrect, only trying to confuse people who cannot follow calculations.
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  58. Hans says:
    @Hans
    The Brothers Kurzberg crew in their zeal "to document the event" did not fail to hold aloft a lit cigarette lighter (https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Paul_Kurzberg).

    "The five aroused attention in New Jersey after people noticed them going to unusual lengths to photograph the World Trade Center ruins and making light of the situation. One photograph developed by the F.B.I. showed Sivan Kurzberg holding a lighted lighter in the foreground, with the smoldering wreckage in the background, said Steven Noah Gordon, a lawyer for the five.

    As objectionable as their behavior may be, Mr. Gordon said of their long incarceration, ''It's not a crime and they were being treated as if it was.''
     

    Will the goyim ever be permitted to learn what the other photos contain?

    For the most comprehensive collection of taboo facts, see Israel did 9/11 - ALL THE PROOF IN THE WORLD - http://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=5367.0

    Juval "They Could Have Planted a Truck Bomb AS WE DID" Aviv slips up - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5EFzG7eVoc

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  59. Lot says:
    @Thomm
    Fail.

    This 'truther' schtick is absurd. Remember that Radical Muslims also did a number of other large terrorist attacks outside the US (such as London 2005, Madrid 2004, Mumbai 2006, Kenya and Tanzania 1998, Beirut Marine Barracks 1983, Bali 2002, France 2015, etc.). The notion that the biggest one was a false flag is absurd, because to believe that, one has to ignore the large number of other attacks that Radical Muslims have undertaken.

    “Remember that Radical Muslims also did a number of other large terrorist attacks outside the US (such as London 2005, Madrid 2004, Mumbai 2006, Kenya and Tanzania 1998, Beirut Marine Barracks 1983, Bali 2002, France 2015, etc.)”

    Bro, wake up! Mossad did all of them too, also killed JFK and Patton, tried to get Truman too. Islam is the religion of peace.

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  60. Even if one does still believe the official story, that Muslims hiding in caves in the middle of nowhere Afghanistan managed to hijack and fly planes into the WTC and Pentagon. Why the hell is our Govt. and Military now defending with American lives and money we don’t have the same people that did it? Perhaps because they didn’t?

    One Year After Calling Idlib “Al Qaeda’s Largest Safe Haven Since 9/11,” the US Govt is Trying to Save it.

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/one-year-after-calling-idlib-al-qaedas-largest-safe-haven-since-9-11-the-us-govt-is-trying-to-save-it/248828/

    This is textbook treason, unless they’re lying…….

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  61. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alan Reid
    For every truth seekers considerations....
    So, Would anyone like to take a crack explaining the fact of the 99 day long fire on the "GROUND ZERO" site?

    Well for nearly 10 years i have been doing just that...

    I have seen Zero refutations for my theory.

    FDNY called the end of fire on December 19 2001.

    Now what could have caused a rubble filled concrete basement to burn for 99 days?

    What could have caused reports of boots melting,molten steel,Like a foundry and shit like the 'Meteorite'?

    How do you get 1200 degree temperature measurements from a satellite Infrared thermography a month after the event?

    Every single rescue dog that worked that pile is DEAD, Most of the persons that worked that pile are sick or dead.

    Sure there was and asbestos part to play,A certain americium touch from the Smoke detectors,and a mercury component.... but do you think the damage from asbestos and those others would be limited to the first responders ...??

    These two ground breaking worlds tallest buildings both had a device installed on the 110 floor, Floor space of VERY coveted nature for TV and radio equipment.. Space measured by the inch for it's placement at the top of those towers...

    That device was known as a tuned mass damper system... A system that made the very flexible towers work in the New York winds.... With out them working the tower had to be evacuated lest the occupants be made seasick from the swaying. If you worked near the top and had to endure this you would never set foot in this building again from the fear.

    Now this Tuned Mass Damper is a well understood thing in very tall buildings, The mass is used to counteract the wind loading and spring back effect of counter loading turbulence around the outside of the square tube structure.

    A building like this had to have a very advanced version of a TMD to make the building safe, An active tuned mass damper system. The mass was controlled by a series of connections like Shock Absorbers, These were used to digitally modulate the motions of the damper to increase the efficiency of the system and give it a better damping signature in the environment they worked.

    I contend the main portion of those dampers the mass part were made of two parts a concrete box with a steel bottom plating and a filling of Uranium-238 granules for the mass part. With the limited and costly space requirements this would be the most efficient material to use to do this work, And had a secondary use.... After life of the structure had expired.

    Uranium-238 is what is known a pyrophoric substance.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrophoricity

    If you get it hot enough it will burn until it is totally consumed, Now i have never intentionally burned 600 PLUS TONS of U-238 but i can tell you it will burn in excess of 5600 degrees... And it's not going to burn fast either.... But rather as a process over time according to the environment it is contained.

    Each tower had a TMD system, Each of those systems was over 600 tons i weight. That 600 tons of weight was directly over the top of the express elevator shaft... That shaft having only a few parts of obstruction to the basements. Or to say it another way... Only a few secondary explosions away from a perfect drop chute from the bottom of the damper to the lower parking levels of each tower.

    Once burning there is no hope of putting out these fires. And has anyone else noted the symptoms of the men working at 'GROUND ZERO" have the same traits of GULF WAR SYNDROME???

    So you have read the claim i have about the fire that burned for 99 days without any added fuel. I claim these men are victims of a Uranium-238 fire from structural building components.

    But the Structural components part is SECONDARY to the main use for all that uranium, Evidence disposal.



    Or to say it another way... The twin towers were built from day one with this 9/11 event in mind.



    Later on i will let you all in on how they used sheet explosives to do the demo... That too was built in from day one of this project.


    #2

    Anyone want to hear the other bit?



    Fuck it here goes....



    Now this theory has had some years work to fit the many claims into a tolerable narrative of the Demo and WHY it was a demo.
    I started with the video record, I watched every frame over and over again, All the angles and from all the vantage points.
    Then i looked at the things needed to make the video possible, That took some doing.
    Then i looked at the gravity of building a pair of towers in the heart of the financial district.... The shit i saw in doing this was stunning...
    So to part one.
    By now everyone that is thinking and sane can tell these towers were victims of 3 controlled demolition. Much has been said to cloud and obfuscate what really happened, Read (mini-nukes),(Nano-thermate),(Thermite). but all that is just plain Crap. Reach over flip the lever and flush it down.
    There has been a gargantuan play book of the towers were weak and near ready to fall bullshit flowing from many angles, Well i will just tell you that is also Crap,Flush #2.

    That being flushed into the septic tank we can move on to INSURANCE and the persons that play that game...Now you don't get involved in something like a pair of 1400 foot tall buildings without having given the matter some serious thought, And given the real estate the were being built on the entire lifespan of them HAD to be dealt with from the first shovel full of dirt to their eventual removal after they had reached their end of life cycle. Many of the structures in this sort of environment have similar regulatory constraints on their construction and many of them fall into the 'If shit goes bad WHAT THEN' category.

    Insurance fellows are annoyingly like screaming toddlers about liability and who is on the hook if shit does indeed go bad.... They produce scenario after scenario to cover their asses and avoid having to pay out huge sums of cash. These towers are perfect examples of this game theory run amok.
    You could not do anything until these forces have a compelling path to fallow from point 'A' to point 'Z' with them still holding all that loot.

    This is where it gets real good. If you want to put this pair of worlds tallest buildings on the WTC site you had to assure them they would never fear about the liability. Being so tall they were a natural for aircraft crashes, So they had to be strong enough to withstand SEVERAL Boeing 707 aircraft hitting them( you may be wrong if you think you know what 'Several' actually means. I think the real number was 6, but some say the game scape went to assurances up to seven of them.

    Now the regulators demanded that above all the other dangers of very tall structures these ones had to fend off some serious threats.
    So fire and terrorism or any other threat the other buildings surrounding these structures might have to endure had to have thick volumes of assurance that none of them would visit... Pucker factor #1 for the engineers. Then they had to deal with the eventual 'What to do after they are rusted junk and need to be removed' part of the whole scheme... Pucker factor #2. But wait it gets even better, The common industry method of this part of a building like these would produce a HUGE level of LIABILITY ot the owners of these structures... and here is where you will have to do some life sentences to the men that OK'd this plan... They decided that Yes they will eventually have to be brought down and yes there was going to be some real bank killing damages to their cash flows, So what to do....

    Call in the Big gun Lawyers and run the game engine until the whole mess is gravy... so what did they think up? Deflect liability with legislation about 'Acts of Terror'
    Once they had a plan they went to the engineers and said 'Well, what do you think, Can you do it?' And the pay loving engineer set said sure thin boss not a problem at all.

    Once they had a mandate they started to work out the logistics of covering all the bases in regard what was needed to make it all work, If they but Apollo they will buy ANYTHING. So the put to work, First need was a plan to make the perfect demo job for a building that was not even on paper yet, The problem was that for all the chess pieces to have enough room on the board much of the demo work had to be built into the structure at the initial stages of assembly, but taking a page from the NASA boys they came up with the corrugated floor pans that every single floor would eventually be built.

    Those would be made from two near identical sheets formed so as when they were put together there was enough space in between for a RDX charge just thick enough to do the job, then the two sheets and the sheet explosive were induction welded on every seam to 'ADD strength' and bond it into one single unit... Then they made the entire puzzle of this building with these units, I don't recall the number of them but their was a shit load of them. Every floor was started with those pans in a grid, and once the concrete was poured, Nobody would ever know that the towers had a bomb on every single floor hidden away in those units. Part one of the big show was in play, the time was the early days of construction.

    The next big deal need was to deal with all the structural steel this pair was built.. This one needed some real intense thinking, but scum bag engineers had a book full of nasty shit to pull for those that pay the bills and supply the power they want... so they went to work and thought up the Asbestos fireproofing. I think the term used was " I got an angle' and like that Stern went bonkers and the towers were liberally coated with the then known carcinogenic substance, and just to up the nasty meter even higher they tiled much of the floor work with tiles of the same shit Asbestos... What they wanted was an excuse to later do a bunch of refitting of that material fuck up and do some EXTRA additions...in the form of copper shape charges, once they applied the charges they re applied the new fireproofing and nobody was any wiser and they had part two dealt with, so now on to part three...

    What the fuck do we do with all the required records of all this clandestine work done to these towers that they needed to keep that fall going right on target of that foot print... Well like most they shoved it all into the basements for 'Safe keeping' as the day drew near they hoovered up a shitload of the bullion stored there and removed it, leaving a token amount to point at.,,

    That's where our previous friend the TMD came in, It's job was to ensure every single thing used to make the whole sick plan work every drawing every inventory every blueprint every single computer file EVERYTHING that could convict them of this crime was totally destroyed 100%... Sounds like a job for a blast furnace to me chimed one of the minions and the U-238 TMD was GO!

    After enough time had passed and the big show drew near they had a power down pow-wow and installed all the logic and detonators, all the delays and other bits needed to do in stuff like the elevators and other large shit like the hat truss and associated gear, into the Free spaces above everyone's head hidden away inside the ceiling spaces waited a command from building #7 that had similar work done to it's structure... All that remained was the holy fucking shit of 2 aircraft crashes. and the play was ready to start.

    Everyone was a witness to the events, everyone saw the falling man, Everyone saw the smoke and fire... and everyone bought the instantaneous lies that came pouring out of every single yammering bobble head working in TeeVeee land... Bought the lies that came form the highest positions of power. They paid BILLIONS upon BILLIONS to get this show started and they went nuts like no other before them, they blew the shit out of several countries in the Mid-East, they looted every single bar of gold they could lay their grimy blood soaked hands on and sat back and dared you to think about the height of their super crime and do anything.

    We now sit here nearing the end of 2018, Not one of the persons with the blood on their hands is even being looked at let alone dealt with.... Because you did not get my memo... Well you cannot un-ring the bell no matter how hard you try... Now do your fucking job America and deal with this event before you all regret not doing so.



    Time is short now folks, The ball is in your court...

    U238 TMD: Pure speculation, zero evidence. If lots of U238 really was released, it should be the easiest thing in the world to find. Why even bother with such an expensive material when lead or steel would have been fine?

    Built-in explosives: I don’t buy it. The asbestos ruled out the explosives being used for a legal clean demolition job, and planning a false flag terrorist attack 30 years ahead is difficult to believe.

    tl;dr: Nice story, top marks for inventing it, but way too far out to be believed.

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    Jews are long term planners. Aside from the explosives that may or may not have been installed when it was built just the incredible cheap construction and the asbestos spray and code violations lend credence to a Jewish lightening plan.

    The WTC, like a lot of 60s 70s buildings and stadiums were built in high crime areas with the idea of transforming the areas. It was easy to fill the givernment buildings. The workers and agencies had no choice. For instance, after the Rodney King riots dozens of local government agencies were quickly relocated to the Koreatown Wilshire area. The city knew no private business would move back in after the riots The government rents kept the neighborhood stable.

    The WTC was a real gamble for the owners. The owners gambled that enough private businesses would choose to move into a high crime area to make the building viable.

    What if private businesses didn’t move in. The owners would be left with a half 3/4 empty building and not enough rents to pay mortgage utilities expenses.

    So why not make sure Jewish lightening would strike a half empty building 1976 or so?
    , @Alan Reid
    Yes, You are correct... Speculations are at EVERY turn in any explanation about these towers, BUT ! How many offer ANY explanation in regards the fire that burned for over 3 MONTHS? How many even deal with this fire in any way? And the other speculations...
    Well i have seen on 16mm film in my science class moving pictures of this TMD system, A huge concrete box with yellow and black barber pole tape on the corners, red shock adsorber devices hooked to the surrounding walls... Having been a very keen follower of every thing about the progress of worlds tallest buildings i learned on that day about the requirements for such a structure and it's requirement.
    So far after SEVENTEEN years i have heard exactly ZERO about these systems i know were there, the only way everyone missed them and never mentions them is they did not know anything about them. If you care to look up how a structure like this could be built and the requirements to make it habitable for office workers you will eventually come to the need of a motion control system, after that you will come to the need to have an ACTIVE system due to the complex windscape all the different buildings produce in the air this building set was to operate.
    Now i don't know anything about your level of knowledge of very tall building construction, so i will go with general level, that said What makes the idea of all these floors being built with a demolition charge built into them? The men who built this mega structure would have had to deal with the end of life issue some how, I can assure you anything like this would be very secret...
    But here is anther zinger... These towers are NOT the only structures with this built in surprise. I have reason to believe Many high structures in the dense packed urban high rise canyons have similar parts to their make up....

    Here is the thing i found out, High level construction projects like this one have very strict requirements in construction in regards whole life and liability.

    I also think the Sears tower (Willis tower) was the final destination of flight 93, But folks in the know decided not to lose their iconic structure and had the plane blown out of the sky.

    If that Speculation is true, Then there is a huge building sitting in the heart of Chicago with floor after floor of evidence just waiting for investigation of this claim of mine.

    In your reply you say the asbestos ruled out explosive demo, I say they knew the building was eventually going to have to be removed AND they knew the regulations would be completely against the demo 100% on many grounds, So What rules did they follow? Only rules i found adhered to on this subject was operational requirements of this event and nothing more, Just look at the damage done to the health of everyone involved, I see plenty of disregard.

    Now as stated above i have seen and have used a very considerable amount of time working out the details of the how and the why of many things nobody dared rationally explain... The problem with using logic to explain some secret planned event like this is you tend to expose the truth in ways many find uncomfortable.
    As mentioned way up there above, I have seen nothing that does a better job of explanation of the fire and the CD foot print collapse. Those that know much of the accurate detail of all this have a very secure gag in their mouth, a gag you will never remove and continue to breath air and do work in your field.
    Now you say the U-238 theory is pure speculation, Well i wish it was. Fact is they fires that burned until the nineteenth of December HAD to have fuel, logic demands this fuel HAD to be of such intensity to produce MOLTEN steel and HAD to burn for a duration of 99 days! go through the list of possible fuel to cover those bases and the list is small and lonely.

    Uncomfortable truths tend to give one a bad taste, tend to cause ridicule, I know... i have been dealing with this for a very long time.... But Not one explanation comes anywhere close to mine about these things.
    , @Alan Reid
    Now here is another path to think, Perhaps these towers were not intended to be destroyed in this manner, Perhaps those in our time took the secret information they had access to and USED that info to plan their attack? I cannot prove the intent was to do this from day one of the WTC project, i only claim the overall planning for this structure had requirements of logistics to contend with to satisfy the lawyers.... They being a vert rigid bunch.

    Just the video record can prove the fact of every floor pan being a demo charge covered with concrete, The record of modifications to those floor units is a very good clue to the hidden explosives. You could not do ANYTHING to those floors, every modification was done with much paperwork and those doing the work were not the ones that could have done the work.

    I heard tell of a data center having need of a few Holes to run CAT5 and fiber lines from one floor to the next, That need was followed by a shit storm of paperwork and the work was later done by another company with long ties to this structure.

    I have zero doubts about other buildings having these same hidden charges lurking in the structure, The things i learned about lawyers and their craft demand this sort of installation to ensure a clean and complete demo.

    One question i have never seen is " Where is all the steel floor pan steel?' Having looked for even one of those initial floor structures and failed in all the recordings and photos of this vent i have seen tells me that they are gone, Well being so close and containing a substance like RDX it's not too hard to fathom their absence.
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  62. Lot says:

    So Ron’s theory is that Israel framed *Saudis working for an organization in Afghanistan* to get the USA to invade Iraq, the foreseeable result of which would be giving its main enemy Iran a free hand innthe Shiite half of the nation.

    Makes perfect sense!

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    the foreseeable result of which would be giving its main enemy Iran a free hand innthe Shiite half of the nation
     
    But, as General Clark pointed out, Iran itself was to be taken out within 5 years. They were just unable to realize their full plans, so yeah, end of the day it hasn't worked out completely - yet. Iran is still on the table, in case you haven't noticed. They are trying to overthrow the government and replace with a puppet one way or another.
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  63. My familiarity with 9/11 trutherism is bounded at Loose Change and a few articles discussing it.

    My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can’t melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked. If it wasn’t the Saudi knifemen who hijacked the planes, who was it? As far as I know hacking them is out of the question – all planes need to have manual overrides. Is Mossad capable of scraping together 19 Zionist fanatics hardcore enough to sacrifice themselves for the cause?

    The main unexplained suspicious factor is the unusual trading in the hours preceding 9/11. This would be consistent with certain people knowing about (or hearing rumors about) the impending events and keeping quiet about it, while making a buck on the side. Feasibly, that could been Mossad agents… and/or any number of other people.

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    What other groups had motive and means to carry out an operation of this magnitude? It has to be a state actor with significant inside assets. Who has significant assets and influence in the USA government and media to derail investigation?

    It is 100% certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. ….And what Americans need to understand is they did it! And if they do understand it, Israel will flat ass disappear from this earth!

    Dr. Alan Sabrosky…former US War College Director
     
    , @Otterboy
    "Is Mossad capable of scraping together 19 Zionist fanatics hardcore enough to sacrifice themselves for the cause?"

    Why would the pilots have to be zionist fanatics? This could have easily been a covert Mossad operation and those jihadi pilots could easily have been a bunch of patsies

    Real jihadi pilots and real planes hit the towers which collapsed due to the damage. Whether or not there were parallel internal explosions to help the building along is irrelevant (in this theory). But it's the subject of controlled demolition which normally subsumes most articles about 911

    This is the only theory that makes sense to me. The focus should be on those who aided, abetted and allowed this to happen. Might be an idea to start with the dual passport holders
    , @Lot
    There is "unusual trading activity" every single day the market is open.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Sound stuff. Let's hope Ron gets on to the material where he could deploy his real intellectual advantages, namely the physics of what happened.

    For one example....

    Since it is pretty hard to see where WTC7 fits into any truther version as part of a plot it might clear the air a bit if Ron were to deal with the technical arguments.

    Once you get to the point of saying that WTC7 probably came down for the reason given in the NIST report that heat induced steel expansion caused the rupture of joints and then the failure of Column 79 etc then you remove one pillar of truthers' arguments.

    , @Rurik

    My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can’t melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked.
     
    your impression is due to an insouciant (nod to PCR ; ) intellectual apathy. (bovine disinterest in subjects of existential exigency)

    At comment #5, The Scalpel posted videos of news outlets reporting on building seven collapsing - before it did. That would be impossible without advance knowledge of the controlled demolition of that building. Something that Osama and his 19 henchmen would not have been able to accomplish even if they could have done the rest, which is beyond preposterous.

    The reason I make this comment to you, is because you seem to harbor an affection for all things Russian, and yet are apparently too daft to connect the dots here.

    When the chimp looked into Putin's eyes, and saw a good guy, that was when Putin was aligned with the nascent 'war on terror'. Something Vlad was all too familiar with, and happy to help out the West with, in any way he could.

    But then Vladimir figured out, (what apparently you're unable to) - that all of these wars - (following the *obviously* lied about 9/11 false flag), are intended to destroy nations, not save them. Duh.

    The people who did 9/11 (Zionists and their lackeys in the West, NATO, CIA, etc..) are the exact same people who are trying to menace Russia today. Someone has already pointed out the glaring parallels of 9/11 to the *obvious* lies about MH17.

    And yet a fellow like you hasn't bothered to look into this event. The event that will be ultimately responsible for the clash of civilizations to come, when the Zionists demand Putin vacate Syria so they can steal the Golan Heights.

    How can a guy like you, ruminate over, write about, postulate and pontificate... over a (((Western))) foreign policy that maligns and menaces Russia.. and yet fail to see the obvious?

    For you to have little to no curiousity about 9/11, is like Bashar Assad believing the war he's been fighting was a home-grown event unaffected by foreign interests.

    It all started with 9/11. That was the pretext for Gen. Clark's "We’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran."

    - Retired General Wesley Clark

    Have you ever seen that video?

    Do you understand how that agenda might have effected the (((West's))) relations with Russia, once Putin put his foot down over Syria?

    Or are all of these things completely independent of each other, and the war on Syria is actually being waged by disgruntled Syrian Muslims who want a less secular state, with help from NATO only when Assad uses chemical weapons against his own civilians?

    Why are otherwise smart people unable to comprehend, (or even contemplate) the big picture?
    , @ben tillman

    My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can’t melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked. If it wasn’t the Saudi knifemen who hijacked the planes, who was it?
     
    Why would is need to be someone else? The most obvious alternative -- one that is far more liekly to be true than the official story -- is that those 19 did do the hijacking, but they had inside help to get them past the security structures designed to stop such things. How did they get through airport security? Why weren't the hijacked planes shot down?
    , @Hamlet's Ghost
    They wouldn't need any hardcore Zionist fanatics. Islamic ones will do very nicely and aren't hard to find. Mossad simply found some unwitting dupes and shadowed them for years while monitoring their progress toward 9/11.

    As for the "debunking" of jet fuel melting steel, when did that happen? National Geographic TV did a supposed debunking by suspending steel I-beams over barrels of flaming kerosene and even they had to admit that no melting took place or was even possible.
    , @Vojkan
    Oddly enough, I find myself agreeing with you. Not entirely, mostly. Let's say Mossad had prior knowledge. Let's say they did nothing about it. The 'jet fuel can't melt steel beams' so discredits the conspiracists that I believe the conspirators themselves planted the argument.
    On the other hand, I'm not as sure that hacking can't override the manual override.
    , @Olorin
    When you spend a long life studying human narratives/storytelling, and observing the psychological (which is to say biological) tendencies these are designed to exploit, certain things start glowing around the edges.

    For me one big example of this was, as you put it:


    19 Zionist fanatics hardcore enough to sacrifice themselves for the cause
     
    And boy, did you put it well to make my point.

    Mr. Karlin, my mind reads that line in the "movie trailer guy" voice. Replace Zionist with Islamic. Hell, plug in Sisters of Mercy or Girl Scout or Roller Derby or Birdwatching or Railfan or Ham Radio.

    How did that line get in your head? To my eye it appears rather like a mnemotechnic shaped charge.

    My immediate instincts watching television that day were two:

    1) Those buildings are being demolished.

    and

    2) The "emerging facts" of the story as they were fed by "government" experts/agencies/PR flacks to MSM outlets were mythically pre-lathed. Going back and viewing real time broadcast streams underscored this for me--watching the morphing of reportage, from reporters passing along actual observed facts on the street or in the newsroom to the Official Version. Which soon became the only allowable one.

    As for the trading in the days (not hours) preceding the attacks, the point isn't that it was unusual. Unusual trading happens all the time. I recall a quant analysis showing that the patterns of puts on American Airlines and United were way outside normal distributions of "unusual options activity." Only one near the tip of my tongue is UIUC prof Allan Poteshman's piece in the Journal of Business, maybe 10 years ago now. As I recall he ran a quantile regression model of the data and showed that if you removed American and United from the set of both airline stocks and S&P and NASDAQ index stocks, they, and only they, showed highly unusual activity in the prior day or two.

    There were other studies as well, but that's the one that sticks because it was the "holy s--t" moment for me. Also IIRC he got plucked from being a college professor to being a quant for some big financial house, presumably in a security-analysis capacity.

    , @Anon
    I forgot about Mayor Willie Brown of San Francisco. He was due to fly somewhere that day. His office got a call the night before warning him not to fly 9/11.

    8/am EST is 5/am PST so CA airports were closed before most flights started that day.

    Brown publicized the warning call pretty well.
    , @FB

    'My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can’t melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked.'
     
    What a shnork...

    Very curious to hear about any particular technical 'debunkings' you have experienced...eg flight physics...thermodynamics and metallurgy...'missing' aircraft engines etc...
    , @tanabear
    "My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can’t melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked." Anatoly Karlin

    This may be your impression, but your impression is wrong. You should ask yourself where does your "impression" come from?

    1) Jet-Fuel fires can't melt steel.

    Even NIST(The National Institute of Standards and Technology) which was tasked with the official investigation into the collapse of World Trade Towers 1,2 and 7 acknowledges that the fires did not melt the steel. The idea that the fires did melt the steel was popular earlier on but was quickly disbanded by more scientific minds. I believe the "fires melted the steel hypothesis" was something meant for public consumption so they could have an explanation in their minds and not question the collapses any further. From the NIST FAQ on the investigation: "In no instance did NIST report that steel in the WTC towers melted due to the fires. The melting point of steel is about 1,500 degrees Celsius (2,800 degrees Fahrenheit)."

    p.s. Jet fuel can maybe burn up to 1500F, however, that is not nearly close enough to melt steel at roughly 2750F or so.
    , @anon
    Can you explain the instant messaging service warning Israelis to stay away from WTC 2 hours before the strikes by Planes ?

    Can you explain the dancing ?
    Can you explain further seizures of maps cardboard cutters in the hands of the Israeli citizen after 911?
    , @Anonymous
    No surprise that (((Anatoly Karlin))) wants to correct the record on this "conspiracy".

    Also not surprised that he uses something flimsy like "something he heard about steel beams" to try and refute a well sourced article.

    No response to the other many arguments that Ron put forth? Quit being such a lightweight Anatoly and think things through before you post.
    , @Anonymous

    As far as I know hacking them is out of the question – all planes need to have manual overrides.
     
    Sabotaging them in advance would have been dangerous and illegal! Yes we can safely discount this possibility.
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  64. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @lavoisier

    Wow, Ron’s finally woken up.

    Welcome to the real world, Mr. Unz!
     
    Ron woke up some time ago.

    He has been battling the matrix fearlessly for many years.

    But it staggers the imagination that this subject is completely buried within the hallowed halls of the MSM.

    Doesen't anyone want to win a Pulitzer prize?

    This is the most important story of our time--perhaps any time given the threat of war with Russia-- and no one talks about it in the MSM.

    Ron woke up some time ago.

    He has been battling the matrix fearlessly for many years.

    With respect to this particular topic, this is Ron’s first foray. Until recently, he made a point of generally keeping neutral yet occasionally allowing his skepticism to leak out.

    Do you remember the exchange between him and Jonathan Revusky?

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  65. Dear Ron,

    What you write is interesting, but if a “missile” hit the Pentagon, than what happened to Barbara Olsen, wife of Constitutional legal scholar, Ted Olsen, and the other passengers on American Airlines Flight 77? It seems to me that that plane had to have been what struck it.

    Second, Israel’s Likud and their NeoCon allies certainly were beneficiaries of what happened on that grim day, but that does not prove that they launched or planned it.

    It also seems irrefutable that the New York towers were struck by the airliners. I cannot say anything about the actual causes of their collapse, but they were struck by those planes.

    Sincerely,

    Edward Dorsey

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    There are videos of those "irrefutable" airliners striking the buildings. The "irrefutable" airliners melt into the buildings. That means they are imaginary. Have you ever seen a road runner cartoon? They are also irrefutable.
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  66. Even Don knew explosives were used…..too bad he is subservient to the perps.

    Donald Trump Calls Into WWOR/UPN 9 News on 9/11 Bombs used

    The Notorious Banned FOX 9 11 2001 News Footage Israeli Mossad Links

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    Being in construction, the Donald would know. My families in construction. Recently worked on the SF Salesforce Tower bedded in granite, not landfill.

    I remember articles about how the cheap construction of the WTC wouldn’t be harmful in the construction trade magazines. It was praised as wonderful innovation to save money but build a solid safe functional building It was a big deal at the time.
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  67. Tyrion 2 says:

    Can anyone who believes Israel did it explain why they didn’t frame the Palestinians?

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    "Can anyone who believes Israel did it explain why they didn’t frame the Palestinians?"

    You mean frame the Palestinians 'yet'?

    It took israel around 70 years for them to try and pin the blame of the holocaust onto the Palestinians:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/benjamin-netanyahu-blames-holocaust-on-palestinian-leader-haj-amin-al-husseini-a6702091.html

    I'm sure they'll get around to it at some point, when they find time during their extremely hectic ethnic cleansing schedule
    , @Anonymous
    You must be the least paid Hasbara gerbil in your cubicle.

    Almost every Israel's enemy (and Palestinian friend) was framed and attacked afterwards. It's an open-ended "war on terror", remember?
    , @Wizard of Oz
    You don't have to ask someone who believes Israel did it. You just have to start thinking it through from the questions 1. Why would Israel want to do it? and 2. How would they then plan it?

    Obviously they have to feed a plausible narrative and Al Qaeda and ObL are your conveniently Arab villains.
    , @Peripatetic commenter
    Why blame the Palestinians if the goal was to destabilize the countries that were supporting the Palestinians financially and cut of that support?
    , @Anon
    They framed other Arab and Muslim nations specifically Saudi Arabians Iraq and Afghanistan.

    They probably didn’t frame Palestinians because most of the world sympathizes with the Palestinians and wouldn’t believe it. So they framed other Muslim nations.
    , @Wade
    Risk to reward ratio?

    Risks:

    Why would anyone believe the Palestinians capable? OBL was much more believable as he supposedly already attacked the USS Cole.

    You mean the Palestinians orchestrated this right under Israel's nose in the land that for all practical purposes they rule over with an iron fist? Americans might ask, if the Palestinians were capable of this, why not just attack their primary enemy Israel? Well everyone already knows they couldn't pull that off either.

    Benefits:
    Well they could continue their regularly scheduled genocide with even more impunity than before.

    Seriously there's no reason for my side of this debate to speculate about what Israel's motivations might be, it's clearly stated in the Oded Yinon plan from the early 80's that Israel needs to stoke sectarian violence in the Middle East particularly in Iraq. The neocons Project For a New American Century advised on this as well through the late 90's. Paul Wolfowitz and other neocons pushed Bill Clinton into bombing Iraq during the middle of the Lowinsky scandal (it's no coincidence that Bill Kristol was the first to announce the impending scandal to the public). This was *after* their attempt to blame the Oklahoma City Bombing on Iraq (yes, Judith Miller and others were dropping hints that Iraq was involved with this too!)

    Failing in their attempt to start a war through means such as blackmail and espionage against the US they upped their game. It was a long term plan executed very carefully. Why would they do something so extensive to go after an easy target like Palestine which they already had subdued for decades prior?
    , @Mr. Anon

    Can anyone who believes Israel did it explain why they didn’t frame the Palestinians?
     
    Or Iran, for that matter. If I were a Mossad agent (and I'm sure half the board will now come to the conclusion that I am), plotting one of the most infamous crimes in history, why wouldn't I make Iran the chief culprit, rather than a bunch of Sunni Arabs from Egypt and Saudi Arabia.
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  68. Lets not forget our Israeli friends caught filming the planes hitting the WTC, dancing and celebrating, if they had time to set up cameras in a good place to watch the “event” unfold. Now why wouldn’t our #1 ally warn us???

    The same #1 ally that attempted to sink USS Liberty and blame the attack on Egypt to draw us into their war in 1967, hmmmm sounds a lot like the 9/11 false flag attack. Not suspicious at all huh?
    But surely our #1 ally would never kill Americans to trick us into fighting their enemies……..

    How stupid or ignorant does one need to be not be able to see this?

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    You have to be very gullible not to realize that this was done with the full agreement of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in order to frame Egypt and have America attack Egypt. Those stupid Soviets messed up the whole operation by coming on the scene and the Israelis had to stop an operation being carried out with the full agreement and cooperation of the US government and the President of the United States. How unpatriotic to blame Israel!
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  69. prusmc says: • Website
    @Greg S.
    There are so many fascinating, unexplained things about 9/11. Here are my top three:

    1) Follow the money. I believe it is a 100% verifiable fact is that there was insider trading prior to 9/11. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44741.htm

    2) It's been well documented that the WTC buildings were not full that day. Hundreds stayed home. Either you can say it's subconscious physic abilities at work (which I don't discount) or people knew something was going to happen. The planes used were also less than half full. And the pentagon section hit was nearly deserted relative to normal sections. Do you believe in luck, reader?

    3) A retired pilot, Philip Marshall, who believed 9/11 was an inside job and later committed suicide, tried to re-create the flights using a flight simulator. He claimed he could not do it. The angles and speeds that the planes were supposed to have travelled were beyond expert level flying and beyond the capabilities of the airplanes themselves. The actual film of the WTC planes confirms this, so it's not debatable. The pentagon plane was supposed to have done a full throttle, tight corkscrew descent right into the target and this proved virtually impossible to redo. Among other questions, it begs the question why amateur hijackers would choose such paths, let alone pull them off flawlessly.

    My question, if the Pentigon was hit by a missile not a plane, what happened to the plane and it’s passengers including Barbara Olsen?

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  70. Che Guava says:
    @Greg S.
    There are so many fascinating, unexplained things about 9/11. Here are my top three:

    1) Follow the money. I believe it is a 100% verifiable fact is that there was insider trading prior to 9/11. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44741.htm

    2) It's been well documented that the WTC buildings were not full that day. Hundreds stayed home. Either you can say it's subconscious physic abilities at work (which I don't discount) or people knew something was going to happen. The planes used were also less than half full. And the pentagon section hit was nearly deserted relative to normal sections. Do you believe in luck, reader?

    3) A retired pilot, Philip Marshall, who believed 9/11 was an inside job and later committed suicide, tried to re-create the flights using a flight simulator. He claimed he could not do it. The angles and speeds that the planes were supposed to have travelled were beyond expert level flying and beyond the capabilities of the airplanes themselves. The actual film of the WTC planes confirms this, so it's not debatable. The pentagon plane was supposed to have done a full throttle, tight corkscrew descent right into the target and this proved virtually impossible to redo. Among other questions, it begs the question why amateur hijackers would choose such paths, let alone pull them off flawlessly.

    I replied to, but, as often happens if there is any waiting time, the link was lost. Post number 42 (auspicious!), assuming that it is approved.

    BTW, I recall your point two having been widely reported at the time. Not so sure about point three, don’t know about the flight sims pro. pilots use at home, but even before that, flight sims. on game consoles and the well-regarded MS sim. (also well-regarded by some pros), were tending to block attempts to just crash into things.

    Agree with you in the case of the Pentagon. Bizarre claim from the start.

    I can’t see how the flight path into the WTC would have been terribly hard.

    Mystery, why weren’t they being buzzed and eventually shot down by fighter planes? Though that may be put down to indecision, the one downed in Pennsylvania was almost certainly shot down. Sure, brave passengers acted, but in the end, it was shot down.

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    Mystery, why weren’t they being buzzed and eventually shot down by fighter planes? Though that may be put down to indecision, the one downed in Pennsylvania was almost certainly shot down. Sure, brave passengers acted, but in the end, it was shot down.
     
    That plane was missing also:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWh7T7zuJ8I
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  71. Rurik says:

    I’m a student of history of sorts, and especially the world wars.

    With a sad horror, I’ve come to glimmer the spine-numbing evil of those contrived wars for the Satanic evil that they were.

    It was with a quiet and earnest prayer that I made to providence (God, the Gods, etc..) – that as the 21st century dawned upon mankind, that it would not resemble the previous one- as far as contrived zio-wars (and the attendant horrors).

    America was dragged into WWI on behalf of Zionists, (this is a proven fact). And everyone with an IQ above room temperature knows of the Jewish supremacists/Zionist’s treachery in foisting WWII, and the slaughter-fest that ensued.. the result of which, was Israel, rising out of the ashes of Europe, and with Russia and Eastern Europe and China and beyond.. enslaved by the Siamese twin of (((Zionism))) = (((Bolshevism))).

    But the Soviet Union died at the end of the 20th century, and I had cause for hope.

    Then came 9/11, and I knew Satan (the Fiend) was still very much with us.

    And so it has unfolded. (((They))) have managed to turn this century as well, into an orgy of mass-atrocities, racial genocide, horrors writ large and suffering unimaginable, while getting spectacularly wealthy in the process. (just Google ‘Lucky Larry’ for starters)

    It isn’t only Jewish supremacists, or even brain dead ‘Christian Zionists’, but none of this would go anywhere without the legions of venal Gentile whores willing and eager to suck their thirty shekels (rot in hell McStain) from the mangled bodies of men, women and children – slaughtered all over the globe – in pursuit of Rothschild’s psychopathic nightmare of a planetary Orwellian dystopia.

    [ranting.., I know ; ]

    Anyways, so yea. It didn’t take me long to put the pieces together, and see that my nation, and indeed my civilization, has been hijacked by fiends. ((They)) caused the horrors and death of untold millions of souls in the last century, and 9/11 was their pretext to do the same in this century as well.

    It has been my raison d’etre for posting here at Ron Unz’s preeminent site for truth~ the Unz Review, lo these many years now, specifically to oppose these fiends, and do what I could for the cause of truth and peace.

    There is a fiend in this world, that revels and profits on suffering. It is as insatiable as it is cruel, and will never, ever stop seeking the enslavement of mankind, unless we collectively figure out a way to stop it.

    End the Fed!, and put a stake through the black heart of this ignoble and Satanic menace.

    Please!

    Thank you again Mr. Unz, for your courage, integrity and simply human decency. My hat is off to you yet again Sir, and all who love truth and peace, are in your debt.

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  72. bj says:
    @Anonymous
    9/11 was an inside job. The fact that the Jews and their shabbos goyim were "inside" doesn't change that. The body did what the parasite commanded.

    It's a matter of semantics, I guess.

    It is 100% certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. ….And what Americans need to understand is they did it! And if they do understand it, Israel will flat ass disappear from this earth!

    Dr. Alan Sabrosky…former US War College Director

    It is not a matter of semantics, but a matter of the origin of the orders. The Mossad is not an agency of the United States of America. The orders came from Israel.

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    The Mossad is not an agency of the United States of America.
     
    Judging from the way the plan was allowed to unfold, assisted and subsequently covered-up by the US (((establishment))), Mossad might as well be the most powerful agency in the US.

    For me, it will always be both an inside job and a Global Jewish Cabal operation. The two are not mutually exclusive.

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  73. Otterboy says:
    @Tyrion 2
    Can anyone who believes Israel did it explain why they didn't frame the Palestinians?

    “Can anyone who believes Israel did it explain why they didn’t frame the Palestinians?”

    You mean frame the Palestinians ‘yet’?

    It took israel around 70 years for them to try and pin the blame of the holocaust onto the Palestinians:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/benjamin-netanyahu-blames-holocaust-on-palestinian-leader-haj-amin-al-husseini-a6702091.html

    I’m sure they’ll get around to it at some point, when they find time during their extremely hectic ethnic cleansing schedule

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    Tyrion 2 like so many Jews you think your superior intellect and reasoning will convince the dumkopf goyim to believe your frauds and lies.

    Not on this site. Your not so clever questions don’t impress us at all.
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  74. bj says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    My familiarity with 9/11 trutherism is bounded at Loose Change and a few articles discussing it.

    My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can't melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked. If it wasn't the Saudi knifemen who hijacked the planes, who was it? As far as I know hacking them is out of the question - all planes need to have manual overrides. Is Mossad capable of scraping together 19 Zionist fanatics hardcore enough to sacrifice themselves for the cause?

    The main unexplained suspicious factor is the unusual trading in the hours preceding 9/11. This would be consistent with certain people knowing about (or hearing rumors about) the impending events and keeping quiet about it, while making a buck on the side. Feasibly, that could been Mossad agents... and/or any number of other people.

    What other groups had motive and means to carry out an operation of this magnitude? It has to be a state actor with significant inside assets. Who has significant assets and influence in the USA government and media to derail investigation?

    It is 100% certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. ….And what Americans need to understand is they did it! And if they do understand it, Israel will flat ass disappear from this earth!

    Dr. Alan Sabrosky…former US War College Director

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    What follows from that?

    Clearly, if Israel did it, they also know what Sabrosky said is true.

    That means Israel has to go all the way! It has to destroy America or be destroyed because sooner or later all Israel's attempts to keep the knowledge that they did it under cover will fail.

    Does that bring certain attempts at fomenting war between Russia and the US into focus now?
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  75. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    The acceleration would have been consistent with the force of gravity unless something else impeded it, and in a modern steel & glass tower, there isn’t much to slow the rate of acceleration.
     
    Surely the remaining lower parts of the tower should have impeded it? By inertia at the very least, if not by strength.

    As he said “there isn’t much to slow the acceleration”.

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  76. Agent76 says:

    October 08, 2016 Video: Afghanistan: Fifteen Years of Invasion and Occupation

    Now the truth about oil and gas, mineral wealth, opium and naked imperial ambition are all that remain. The ambitions of Empire.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/video-afghanistan-fifteen-years-of-invasion-and-occupation/5549973

    Sep 5, 2016 9/11 Suspects: Rudy Giuliani

    Mayor Giuliani oversaw the illegal destruction of the 9/11 crime scene and is criminally liable for the deaths of hundreds of emergency workers for not passing on prior warnings about the collapses of the Twin Towers.

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    Giuliani, consigliere to President Trump, was on the American management team of the false-flag 9/11 attacks.
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  77. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2
    Can anyone who believes Israel did it explain why they didn't frame the Palestinians?

    You must be the least paid Hasbara gerbil in your cubicle.

    Almost every Israel’s enemy (and Palestinian friend) was framed and attacked afterwards. It’s an open-ended “war on terror”, remember?

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  78. Otterboy says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    My familiarity with 9/11 trutherism is bounded at Loose Change and a few articles discussing it.

    My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can't melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked. If it wasn't the Saudi knifemen who hijacked the planes, who was it? As far as I know hacking them is out of the question - all planes need to have manual overrides. Is Mossad capable of scraping together 19 Zionist fanatics hardcore enough to sacrifice themselves for the cause?

    The main unexplained suspicious factor is the unusual trading in the hours preceding 9/11. This would be consistent with certain people knowing about (or hearing rumors about) the impending events and keeping quiet about it, while making a buck on the side. Feasibly, that could been Mossad agents... and/or any number of other people.

    “Is Mossad capable of scraping together 19 Zionist fanatics hardcore enough to sacrifice themselves for the cause?”

    Why would the pilots have to be zionist fanatics? This could have easily been a covert Mossad operation and those jihadi pilots could easily have been a bunch of patsies

    Real jihadi pilots and real planes hit the towers which collapsed due to the damage. Whether or not there were parallel internal explosions to help the building along is irrelevant (in this theory). But it’s the subject of controlled demolition which normally subsumes most articles about 911

    This is the only theory that makes sense to me. The focus should be on those who aided, abetted and allowed this to happen. Might be an idea to start with the dual passport holders

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  79. @Tyrion 2
    Can anyone who believes Israel did it explain why they didn't frame the Palestinians?

    You don’t have to ask someone who believes Israel did it. You just have to start thinking it through from the questions 1. Why would Israel want to do it? and 2. How would they then plan it?

    Obviously they have to feed a plausible narrative and Al Qaeda and ObL are your conveniently Arab villains.

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    Why would Israel want to do it?
     
    is there an Unz reward for the stupidest question of the year?

    'any suggestion that Israel subverts our government to fight wars on their behalf and extort untold billions of dollars from our treasury - is just a wacko conspiracy theory!'

    All anyone has to do is ask themselves... why would Israel want to loot untold billions of dollars from the US Treasury?!?!

    How does that benefit them?!

    Why would they want the dumb goyim to do their killing and dying for them?!

    How does it benefit Israel to have Americans dying in their place, so that ((they)) can sit back and count the billion$ in extorted lucre?

    It just doesn't make any sense! Huh wiz?
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  80. @jilles dykstra
    " Well, we have established that only Israel benefitted from 9/11 – none else. So, with respect to cui bono, there is only one eligible candidate. "
    Already on the day itself, when I, with anybody else, still believed the Muslim terror attack, I did not understand why Muslims would do such a thing, it just would harm Muslims.
    So I said to my wife 'just Israel benefits'.
    At the time I, of course, had not the slightest idea that Bush jr would use the attack as pretext for wars.
    Anatol Lieven also did not foresee this, his article New Cold War, in the Guardian, not yet a Soros property.

    I woke up here on the west coast with the sight of the airplane crashing into the second tower on my bedroom TV. The day began with astonishment at the audacity of the attack, and I cursed muslims everywhere. The day ended with the sight of building 7 collapsing into its own footprint at free-fall speed without having been hit by a plane, and my astonishment turned into skepticism and woke me from my stupor.

    Now, 17 years later, 9/11 is the litmus test that separates the shills from the rest of us. They are apparent by their posts here on UR. Here is a quick filter:

    1. Point to muslims as terrorists – these are invariably Israelis and their sayanim
    2. Violently defend the official narrative – shills for those who perpetrated the crime
    3. Skeptics and challengers of the official narrative – most of us on UR and elsewhere
    4. Silent acceptance of the official narrative – most Americans, but many are waking up

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  81. Lot says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    My familiarity with 9/11 trutherism is bounded at Loose Change and a few articles discussing it.

    My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can't melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked. If it wasn't the Saudi knifemen who hijacked the planes, who was it? As far as I know hacking them is out of the question - all planes need to have manual overrides. Is Mossad capable of scraping together 19 Zionist fanatics hardcore enough to sacrifice themselves for the cause?

    The main unexplained suspicious factor is the unusual trading in the hours preceding 9/11. This would be consistent with certain people knowing about (or hearing rumors about) the impending events and keeping quiet about it, while making a buck on the side. Feasibly, that could been Mossad agents... and/or any number of other people.

    There is “unusual trading activity” every single day the market is open.

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  82. prusmc says: • Website
    @Greg S.
    There are so many fascinating, unexplained things about 9/11. Here are my top three:

    1) Follow the money. I believe it is a 100% verifiable fact is that there was insider trading prior to 9/11. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44741.htm

    2) It's been well documented that the WTC buildings were not full that day. Hundreds stayed home. Either you can say it's subconscious physic abilities at work (which I don't discount) or people knew something was going to happen. The planes used were also less than half full. And the pentagon section hit was nearly deserted relative to normal sections. Do you believe in luck, reader?

    3) A retired pilot, Philip Marshall, who believed 9/11 was an inside job and later committed suicide, tried to re-create the flights using a flight simulator. He claimed he could not do it. The angles and speeds that the planes were supposed to have travelled were beyond expert level flying and beyond the capabilities of the airplanes themselves. The actual film of the WTC planes confirms this, so it's not debatable. The pentagon plane was supposed to have done a full throttle, tight corkscrew descent right into the target and this proved virtually impossible to redo. Among other questions, it begs the question why amateur hijackers would choose such paths, let alone pull them off flawlessly.

    My question, if the Pentigon was hit by a missile not a plane, what happened to the plane and it’s passengers including Barbara Olsen?

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    Same as MH370.

    Turn off the transponders, fly them to a private airstrip, kill them all, and then cut up all the meat and aluminum.

    It's a fairly simple operation, it just takes a bit of planning and a ground team of (((complete psychopaths))).
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  83. @Otterboy
    "An honest investigation would rip the veil off of this deception, but the probability of that happening decreases with each passing day. A venal political establishment, blackmailed or bought by Israel (as they like to boast unashamedly) ensures that our downward spiral will not be arrested by those whom we have elected to protect us."

    Agreed. A thorough independent investigation is what is required. However the chances of that ever happening are about zero and anyone else involved has gotten away with it.

    A thorough independent investigation is what is required. However the chances of that ever happening are about zero and anyone else involved has gotten away with it.

    I am not ready to throw in the towel yet. A petition has been filed for a grand jury, and as outlined in the video below, it cannot be denied. So, an investigation will happen. What happens afterward is unclear.

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    Thanks for posting the video. This is indeed a ray of hope I wasn't aware of

    I wish those lawyers the best of luck with their efforts. They're going to need it but gives me hope when you stumble across good people like this
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  84. Given Ron Unz’s specious attempt to clear Secretary of Defense Donald RunsfeId of having foreknowledge about 9/11, I am disappointed.
    … Of course, the day before 9/11 attacks, Rumsfeld appeared to act responsibly and announced Pentagon’s missing trillions of dollars! Uh, did Rummy know about the day after events, and it’s expense?
    … Nonetheless, as far as I know & along with an admission as to not having read his top selling memoir, Secretary Rumsfeld did nothing to offer reasoned evidence for a terrorist passenger-plane having struck the Pentagon.
    … Am very sorry, but although Rumsfeld’s business acumen impresses, one cannot deny his enduring political ties with wealthy & international Zionist Jew interests.
    … Below, for review, is a photograph of young Congressman Rumsfeld’s letter appeal to Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy which suggests lobbying for the Justice Department to back off forcing the AZC to register as foreign agent. (Note: This posting is approximately my 3rd here at the U.R., with no follow-up comments)

    http://www.israellobby.org/AZCDOJ/congress/default.asp

    … Had Donald Rumsfeld & V.P. Cheney been excluded from foreknowledge about 9/11, it appears that their advertised American conscience/patriotism did not activate, and such inaction paved the way for the stinky Zelikow Commission Report’s pyrrhic success.
    … Ron, very respectfully & always grateful for your work, don’t you see that stalwart Corporate CEO’s & Republican vanguard’s, Rumsfeld & Cheney are given too much credit for what they did not see coming, September 11, 2001 and it’s diabolical (preplanned) Patriot Act and GWOT.
    … Thank you!
    … P.S.: I do endorse consideration that President G.W. Bush, while reading a duck-story to kids, was one of the few administration “Deciders” who were left out-of-loop.

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  85. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Goody goody, endless fun while waiting for my hair to dry. Thanks Ron

    Seriously I believe AIPAC, Israel and Larry Silverstein collaborated on the biggest Jewish insurance fraud ever.

    But it’s fun to read the endless theories based on TV coverage of the planes going into the buildings and the 3,000 plus people who never died because they never existed.

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  86. TheOldOne says:

    Please see jamesperloff.com/articles for clarification of this.

    Great work, Mr. Unz.

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  87. @Anatoly Karlin
    My familiarity with 9/11 trutherism is bounded at Loose Change and a few articles discussing it.

    My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can't melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked. If it wasn't the Saudi knifemen who hijacked the planes, who was it? As far as I know hacking them is out of the question - all planes need to have manual overrides. Is Mossad capable of scraping together 19 Zionist fanatics hardcore enough to sacrifice themselves for the cause?

    The main unexplained suspicious factor is the unusual trading in the hours preceding 9/11. This would be consistent with certain people knowing about (or hearing rumors about) the impending events and keeping quiet about it, while making a buck on the side. Feasibly, that could been Mossad agents... and/or any number of other people.

    Sound stuff. Let’s hope Ron gets on to the material where he could deploy his real intellectual advantages, namely the physics of what happened.

    For one example….

    Since it is pretty hard to see where WTC7 fits into any truther version as part of a plot it might clear the air a bit if Ron were to deal with the technical arguments.

    Once you get to the point of saying that WTC7 probably came down for the reason given in the NIST report that heat induced steel expansion caused the rupture of joints and then the failure of Column 79 etc then you remove one pillar of truthers’ arguments.

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    ..that WTC7 probably came down for the reason given in the NIST report that heat induced steel expansion caused the rupture of joints and then the failure of Column 79 etc then you remove one pillar of truthers’ arguments.
     
    but how did they know it was going to fall, before it did?

    and why wiz, did this shocking and unprecedented collapse of a modern steel skyscraper into its footprint at free-fall speed- due to a few office fires- not have every beam and rivet poured over for forensic evidence of how it happened?

    Why did they immediately haul off and destroy all the evidence of, not just the worst crime in US history, but also of a engineering failure of such import that it defies every known tenet of physics and structural engineering?

    Shouldn't experts and professionals, somewhere.. had an interest in studying the collapse, to make sure office fires don't cause buildings to implode into their footprint at free-fall speed all over the planet?

    But instead, they shipped all the forensic evidence off to China to be melted down. With no investigation.

    Hmmmm....
    , @Wade
    Don't hold your breath that Ron would do that. Others with the requisite skill have already done so:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FAadMpvDyQ

    Why put this on Ron Unz? David Chandler not only debunks NIST's report but got the chance to confront NIST with a question at one of their conferences. He recounts this here at about the 20 minute mark above.

    NIST's reaction to this is quite stunning. David Chandler thoroughly debunks the notion that NIST's investigation into WTC 7 was a scientific one. It was quite unscientific and their methods, especially their computer modeling, were shrouded in mystery. They only released the results of 1 simulation of their computer model (the one that got the results they wanted) and they refused to release any information about the simulation and the various assumptions that went into it so that other scientists could replicate their finding.

    In short quit implying that NIST was doing "science" in their WTC 7 investigation.

    If you expect Ron to debunk those who debunked NIST, you have to be willing to pay attention to the original debunking in the first place.

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  88. @Tyrion 2
    Can anyone who believes Israel did it explain why they didn't frame the Palestinians?

    Why blame the Palestinians if the goal was to destabilize the countries that were supporting the Palestinians financially and cut of that support?

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    Afghanistan? You crazy...
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  89. Watch these videos, pay careful attention, you can see the building exploding outwards as the explosives go off streaming down the building, these explosions are going off a good 15 to 20 stories below the collapsing debris, how can this be possible if the debris is what is what is crushing the floors below? Its not.

    9/11 South Tower Collapse Video Compilation

    9/11 WTC1 North Tower Collapse (NBC & History Channel)

    9/11 North Tower Collapse

    Watch WTC 7, watch on the right side of building, you can see the windows blow out in a straight line, this is one of the columns being taken out with explosives.

    9/11: WTC 7 Collapse (NIST FOIA, CBS video)

    Anyone that can watch these videos and still doubt explosives brought the buildings down is lying to themselves. Steel framed buildings could never “collapse” in this way. Period.

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  90. Rurik says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    My familiarity with 9/11 trutherism is bounded at Loose Change and a few articles discussing it.

    My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can't melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked. If it wasn't the Saudi knifemen who hijacked the planes, who was it? As far as I know hacking them is out of the question - all planes need to have manual overrides. Is Mossad capable of scraping together 19 Zionist fanatics hardcore enough to sacrifice themselves for the cause?

    The main unexplained suspicious factor is the unusual trading in the hours preceding 9/11. This would be consistent with certain people knowing about (or hearing rumors about) the impending events and keeping quiet about it, while making a buck on the side. Feasibly, that could been Mossad agents... and/or any number of other people.

    My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can’t melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked.

    your impression is due to an insouciant (nod to PCR ; ) intellectual apathy. (bovine disinterest in subjects of existential exigency)

    At comment #5, The Scalpel posted videos of news outlets reporting on building seven collapsing – before it did. That would be impossible without advance knowledge of the controlled demolition of that building. Something that Osama and his 19 henchmen would not have been able to accomplish even if they could have done the rest, which is beyond preposterous.

    The reason I make this comment to you, is because you seem to harbor an affection for all things Russian, and yet are apparently too daft to connect the dots here.

    When the chimp looked into Putin’s eyes, and saw a good guy, that was when Putin was aligned with the nascent ‘war on terror’. Something Vlad was all too familiar with, and happy to help out the West with, in any way he could.

    But then Vladimir figured out, (what apparently you’re unable to) – that all of these wars – (following the *obviously* lied about 9/11 false flag), are intended to destroy nations, not save them. Duh.

    The people who did 9/11 (Zionists and their lackeys in the West, NATO, CIA, etc..) are the exact same people who are trying to menace Russia today. Someone has already pointed out the glaring parallels of 9/11 to the *obvious* lies about MH17.

    And yet a fellow like you hasn’t bothered to look into this event. The event that will be ultimately responsible for the clash of civilizations to come, when the Zionists demand Putin vacate Syria so they can steal the Golan Heights.

    How can a guy like you, ruminate over, write about, postulate and pontificate… over a (((Western))) foreign policy that maligns and menaces Russia.. and yet fail to see the obvious?

    For you to have little to no curiousity about 9/11, is like Bashar Assad believing the war he’s been fighting was a home-grown event unaffected by foreign interests.

    It all started with 9/11. That was the pretext for Gen. Clark’s “We’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.”

    - Retired General Wesley Clark

    Have you ever seen that video?

    Do you understand how that agenda might have effected the (((West’s))) relations with Russia, once Putin put his foot down over Syria?

    Or are all of these things completely independent of each other, and the war on Syria is actually being waged by disgruntled Syrian Muslims who want a less secular state, with help from NATO only when Assad uses chemical weapons against his own civilians?

    Why are otherwise smart people unable to comprehend, (or even contemplate) the big picture?

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    You imply that Russian intelligence is no good and Putin's slow on the uptake. I doubt both. I think Putin would have known the whole story by the evening of 9/11 and would have considered carefully how to play his cards. In my view, there are two possibilities

    One - Putin played along with the War on Terror because it suited his short term goals, but he's keeping the inside story up his sleeve as a kind of psychological nuclear weapon to use if he really has his back to the wall.

    Two - Putin's on the payroll / they've got his balls. We know from the Panama Papers that his man, Sergei Roldugin, who claims not to be rich and doesn't earn a fantastic salary, holds assets all over the world via a network of shell companies. Assuming this is Putin's backup plan for if he gets ousted by some Western-sponsored color revolution, it would be in his interests to keep it safe. Assuming the West knew this in 2001, or assuming Putin assumed the West had a good chance of finding out, he may have deemed it in his interests to keep quiet about their big secrets. It's rather like two neighbors turning a mutual blind eye because they're both cheating on their wives.
    , @crimson2

    The Scalpel posted videos of news outlets reporting on building seven collapsing – before it did. That would be impossible without advance knowledge of the controlled demolition of that building
     
    You inbred Nazis get more idiotic by the day. They knew 7 was going to collapse because it was bulging and creaking and there were cracks in the facade.
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  91. Mike P says:
    @Che Guava
    I replied to, but, as often happens if there is any waiting time, the link was lost. Post number 42 (auspicious!), assuming that it is approved.

    BTW, I recall your point two having been widely reported at the time. Not so sure about point three, don't know about the flight sims pro. pilots use at home, but even before that, flight sims. on game consoles and the well-regarded MS sim. (also well-regarded by some pros), were tending to block attempts to just crash into things.

    Agree with you in the case of the Pentagon. Bizarre claim from the start.

    I can't see how the flight path into the WTC would have been terribly hard.

    Mystery, why weren't they being buzzed and eventually shot down by fighter planes? Though that may be put down to indecision, the one downed in Pennsylvania was almost certainly shot down. Sure, brave passengers acted, but in the end, it was shot down.

    Mystery, why weren’t they being buzzed and eventually shot down by fighter planes? Though that may be put down to indecision, the one downed in Pennsylvania was almost certainly shot down. Sure, brave passengers acted, but in the end, it was shot down.

    That plane was missing also:

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  92. nickels says:

    I hope these several great and lengthy articles of late come out in a book.
    They warrant a sit down with a paper copy, I think, for those of us electronically challenged.

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    Agree that The American Pravda should be published as a book. I think the time for it to be influential is ripening, also.
    , @Anonymous
    If only everyone who is capable could read Ron's columns. If they could be distributed to every college student/graduate in America, it would be such a help. Kids are basically forced to read stuff like Tanishi Coates to get a college degree now -- if only it were the 'American Pravda' series instead (or in addition)

    It would be wonderful if our news outlets and educators would expose people to the best of left, right and center. We are in a situation now where the best ideas are actively hidden by those who we've entrusted to keep the population informed.

    At some point, one way or another, something has got give. The corruption has gone too far.

    Thanks Ron, for sticking your neck out and doing something worthwhile with your money and talents.

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  93. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Peripatetic commenter
    Why blame the Palestinians if the goal was to destabilize the countries that were supporting the Palestinians financially and cut of that support?

    Afghanistan? You crazy…

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    Where was Afghanistan blamed? An international network of terrorists was blamed, which could easily be popped up to designate targets (viz the "Syrian civil war"). Afghanistan was attacked, not blamed, because its ungoverned hinterland harbored these people -- and probably also because it represented a technological black hole where nobody would release video footage that contradicted us. But in the US the calls were pretty clear to go after the countries specified in the above article. In the military (and out of it, but bumping into still active people) there really was talk that any day now we are going after Iran or Syria, it was a palpable thing, people made career decisions based on it.
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  94. Agent76 says:

    Sep 11, 2013 9/11 In A Nutshell

    James Corbett presents this 5 minute parody of the official conspiracy theory of 9/11.

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  95. Rurik says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    You don't have to ask someone who believes Israel did it. You just have to start thinking it through from the questions 1. Why would Israel want to do it? and 2. How would they then plan it?

    Obviously they have to feed a plausible narrative and Al Qaeda and ObL are your conveniently Arab villains.

    Why would Israel want to do it?

    is there an Unz reward for the stupidest question of the year?

    ‘any suggestion that Israel subverts our government to fight wars on their behalf and extort untold billions of dollars from our treasury – is just a wacko conspiracy theory!’

    All anyone has to do is ask themselves… why would Israel want to loot untold billions of dollars from the US Treasury?!?!

    How does that benefit them?!

    Why would they want the dumb goyim to do their killing and dying for them?!

    How does it benefit Israel to have Americans dying in their place, so that ((they)) can sit back and count the billion$ in extorted lucre?

    It just doesn’t make any sense! Huh wiz?

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    You can't restrain yourself from coming across as a semiliterate fool. I did not pose the question "Why would Israel want to do it?" in the way you portray those words from my comment.

    In UR threads' overused currency I could brand you as dishonest and a liar but alternative explanations such as stupidity, carelessness and incontinent excitability offer themselves.
    , @c matt
    Rurik, I think you are misreading Wiz.
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  96. nsa says:

    Western civilization is now well beyond the stage where revealing the “truth” of the matter would make the slightest difference. Even if the jooies came out and admitted responsibility, the narrative would be spun endlessly by the lugen media, and the confused ovine public would just return to watching fagball and porn on their living room flat screen jooie boxes…and buying cheap amazon crap off the internet The official narrative would morph into something like “a small group of misguided American patriots, now long dead, knew of the plot hatched by a few renegade izzies but ignored it for the greater good as it was necessary to wake America up, kind of like the Reichstag fire…..er Pearl Harbor”. In a short period of time, the subservient goyim would be exclaiming even deeper respect and adoration for the small magical tribe capable of pulling off such a feat as the destruction of the WTC and then being able to avoid detection for so long…….

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  97. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @bj

    It is 100% certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. ....And what Americans need to understand is they did it! And if they do understand it, Israel will flat ass disappear from this earth!

    Dr. Alan Sabrosky...former US War College Director
     
    It is not a matter of semantics, but a matter of the origin of the orders. The Mossad is not an agency of the United States of America. The orders came from Israel.

    The Mossad is not an agency of the United States of America.

    Judging from the way the plan was allowed to unfold, assisted and subsequently covered-up by the US (((establishment))), Mossad might as well be the most powerful agency in the US.

    For me, it will always be both an inside job and a Global Jewish Cabal operation. The two are not mutually exclusive.

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  98. Rurik says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Sound stuff. Let's hope Ron gets on to the material where he could deploy his real intellectual advantages, namely the physics of what happened.

    For one example....

    Since it is pretty hard to see where WTC7 fits into any truther version as part of a plot it might clear the air a bit if Ron were to deal with the technical arguments.

    Once you get to the point of saying that WTC7 probably came down for the reason given in the NIST report that heat induced steel expansion caused the rupture of joints and then the failure of Column 79 etc then you remove one pillar of truthers' arguments.

    ..that WTC7 probably came down for the reason given in the NIST report that heat induced steel expansion caused the rupture of joints and then the failure of Column 79 etc then you remove one pillar of truthers’ arguments.

    but how did they know it was going to fall, before it did?

    and why wiz, did this shocking and unprecedented collapse of a modern steel skyscraper into its footprint at free-fall speed- due to a few office fires- not have every beam and rivet poured over for forensic evidence of how it happened?

    Why did they immediately haul off and destroy all the evidence of, not just the worst crime in US history, but also of a engineering failure of such import that it defies every known tenet of physics and structural engineering?

    Shouldn’t experts and professionals, somewhere.. had an interest in studying the collapse, to make sure office fires don’t cause buildings to implode into their footprint at free-fall speed all over the planet?

    But instead, they shipped all the forensic evidence off to China to be melted down. With no investigation.

    Hmmmm….

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    You may have noticed if you took the trouble that I was proposing a way in which Ron's scientific knowledge could be deployed with meaningful result.

    And please don't bother with that childishly naive argument about the BBC supposedly knowing in advance about the WTC 7 collapse. Just talk to someone who has worked at the front line in the media for a few years - or merely has some imagination and understanding of human error or crossed wires. BTE Silverstein hadn't updated the insurance on that building....
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  99. If Trump was really fighting the “deep state” first thing he would do is start or at least call for a new and REAL investigation into 9/11.
    With arrests and prosecution, all the way from Saudi Arabia, Tel Aviv, back home to Wall St, Langley, and the Pentagon.
    A real 9/11 investigation would drain the swamp 100%. Trump is in bed with the “deep state”. Along with every traitor in Washington not calling for a real investigation. and all of the media!

    Sad!

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    I don’t see how calling for a new investigation would result in anything at all. It was covered up at the time

    I’m convinced Israel murdered JFK with Oswald as triggerman and that quaker trotskite couple helping . Especially as Jew agent Johnson enacted the 3 most powerful antiWhite laws in the 5 years of his presidency.

    I was in college at the time. I was very very aware that immediately after wards liberal Jews proclaimed that right winger Nazi KKK killed JFK for a variety of reasons. Then came the thousands of books and thousands of theories.

    12/30 pm Dallas time is 10/30 am Pacific time. By my 11 and 1 classes both my proudly commie professors proclaimed it wasn’t communist Oswald but right wing anti civil rights Dallas conservatives who did it.

    The 9/11 investigation was as bad as the JFK non investigation. The government of Israel and the Jewish Lobby just won’t let even a suspicion of the truth be known.

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  100. @Anatoly Karlin
    My familiarity with 9/11 trutherism is bounded at Loose Change and a few articles discussing it.

    My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can't melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked. If it wasn't the Saudi knifemen who hijacked the planes, who was it? As far as I know hacking them is out of the question - all planes need to have manual overrides. Is Mossad capable of scraping together 19 Zionist fanatics hardcore enough to sacrifice themselves for the cause?

    The main unexplained suspicious factor is the unusual trading in the hours preceding 9/11. This would be consistent with certain people knowing about (or hearing rumors about) the impending events and keeping quiet about it, while making a buck on the side. Feasibly, that could been Mossad agents... and/or any number of other people.

    My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can’t melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked. If it wasn’t the Saudi knifemen who hijacked the planes, who was it?

    Why would is need to be someone else? The most obvious alternative — one that is far more liekly to be true than the official story — is that those 19 did do the hijacking, but they had inside help to get them past the security structures designed to stop such things. How did they get through airport security? Why weren’t the hijacked planes shot down?

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    They got through airport security because 4 inch blade knives were allowed at the time.

    There are reports of a gun on one of the planes that hit WTC. That’s simple. Go through airport security and someone who works at the airport slips a passenger a gun. The real danger in airports isn’t the passengers. It’s the low life foreigners who work in the airports.

    One clerk in I believe Portland Maine airport was very suspicious of 2 of the hijackers. He really wanted to pull them aside for secondary screening but didn’t for fear of being accused of racism. He’s white

    A 20th hijacker landed at Orlando international and wasn’t allowed to enter the country because customs suspected him of not being a tourist on his way to Disneyland.

    But those agents were mostly Hispanics and could get away with sending a suspicious Arab back.

    Both those incidents were on the internet.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Why weren’t the hijacked planes shot down?
     
    I'm always fascinated when people bring this up.

    Imagine you're an air national guard F-15 pilot; you fly a few weekends a year. Or even an active duty air-force pilot, brought up and trained in peace-time. You've trained to shoot down enemy aircraft. Are you going to be quick to shoot down an american airliner in american air-space full of american civilians? Innocent men, women, and children? When nobody has ever done that before? You want to be the first one?

    Honestly, I would think less of this country if fighter pilots were that eager to follow orders like that, or keen to carry out that kind of duty.
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  101. LondonBob says:
    @Cloak And Dagger
    Congratulations, Ron! This has to be your magnum opus!

    I find it difficult to think of any country in the world that clearly gained as a result of the 9/11 attacks and America’s military reaction, with one single, solitary exception.
     
    Well, we have established that only Israel benefitted from 9/11 - none else. So, with respect to cui bono, there is only one eligible candidate.

    Solving any crime is a combination of determining motive, means, and opportunity. I think you have correctly identified the motive, proving the other two may be a tad harder.

    Did Israel have the means? I believe they did but it would be hard to prove. A compliant mass media provided the air cover to hush up any weaknesses in the official narrative. Zionist control of the media is hardly a secret. A number of zionist players were prominent in furthering that narrative, and even Thomas Keene indicated that the 9/11 Commission report was manipulated by powerful forces. Who was responsible for all the evidence surrounding the towers being shipped off to China? Who was responsible for NIST providing a scientifically impossible report of the collapse of the towers and refusing to explore the possibility of explosives, as required by their own standards? Zionists have injected themselves into positions of power everywhere in government, but who is the mastermind?

    As to opportunity, how coincidental that a drill simulating an aerial attack on the towers was happening exactly at the same time as the actual attack. Who was responsible for organizing this drill and who knew about it? This was a diabolical way to have air traffic controllers, and perhaps even NORAD stand down. I seem to recall that drills of the same nature as the "terrorist attack" were also in progress during the London Underground bombing as well as the Boston Marathon event. So many coincidences boggle the mind!

    An honest investigation would rip the veil off of this deception, but the probability of that happening decreases with each passing day. A venal political establishment, blackmailed or bought by Israel (as they like to boast unashamedly) ensures that our downward spiral will not be arrested by those whom we have elected to protect us.

    It remains for us to save ourselves.

    Ron, I commend you on your extraordinary website, and on the clarity and persuasiveness of your many articles. What remains is providing a means of organizing and uniting our fellow citizens to gather their pitchforks and torches and bring down the infernal castle and set ablaze its monsters within.

    You have done a yeoman's job of raising awareness of our plight and more Americans are awake than ever before. We understand the problem - now we need a solution. We need to organize and unite.

    There was no drill in London, a company was running a practise emergency drill to evacuate their offices, happens all the time.

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  102. Ron, you have certainly sampled a much bigger part of the published material on 9/11 than I have but I say, with respect, that you have gone off prematurely, if not half cocked.

    Certainly Israel is the country whose leaders might have seen benefit in getting the US angry with Arabs or Muslims. And maybe Sharon was a big enough gambler. But the case for ObL seeing benefit is simpler and clearer. Nothing could have suited him better than to get his evil American enemy mired in war in the country where he had seen the Soviet Union suffer. And would you not normally regard it as naive to put any weight on his actual or alleged denial of responsibility? The most likely explanation for that denial is that he was backing up the lie to Mullah Omar whom he feared would no longer harbour him while he hadn’t yet arranged to hide in Pakistan. But it is also likely that the destruction of the Towers and killing of so many people wasn’t expected so sounding piously decent was conveniently easy.

    Your hypothesis works best, I think, if Mossad convinced the Arab hijackers that everything was being done as part of an Al Qaeda operation. One can rule out ObL knowingly cooperating with Mossad because he would have disclosed that quite soon after the event. More likely is Mossad managing to introduce facilitators into the operation, and maybe even inspiring it, or aspects of it.

    If you get round to focusing your scientific knowledge and intellect on quite a few critical aspects that is where you could really earn the gratitude of UR readers. In the course of doing that you would, one hopes, tidy up some matters of fact; e.g. was there really no aircraft wreckage at the Pentagon? I remember a photograph of an American Airlines tail apparently on the lawn outside the hole in the Pentagon. And what happened to those flights and all the passengers and crew?

    Different subject but you did say that you expected Obama to be a very bad President and that he was even worse than you expected. Would you mind indulging your readers, ready to be fascinated, with your one paragraph pithy version of why that is your opinion? More paragraphs, better still.

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    Different subject but you did say that you expected Obama to be a very bad President and that he was even worse than you expected. Would you mind indulging your readers, ready to be fascinated, with your one paragraph pithy version of why that is your opinion? More paragraphs, better still.
     
    trying to deflect here wiz?

    'Ron, can you please take over for me in trolling your article, by writing something completely off topic?'

    Poor, poor wiz..

    what an unthankful job it is to shill for Zion, 24/7

    'but NIST said ...!'

    here's a video of the missile hitting the Pentagon, which shows the vapor trail of something that obviously isn't a commercial passenger jet.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zze32ZEjt30

    but where are all the other videos of the Pentagon being hit?

    that is perhaps the most surveilled property on the plant, and yet all we have is this one video. Where are all the rest?

    What are they hiding wiz?

    And what about the plane wreckage at Shanksville? Did the jet plunge into the ground and get melted in the earth's core?

    I rather doubt that.

    No wiz, your puerile efforts notwithstanding, it is obvious to any thinking person by now, that they lied about 9/11, and that it was a 'USS Liberty' style false flag to get US to fight Israel's wars for them.

    Duh.

    But keep on shilling, I find your effete and doddering tenacity rather amusing.
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  103. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    I remember the attempted attack on the Mexican parliament building. Contrast that the Mexican attack was thwarted by ordinary security guards but our extensive federal security apparatus couldn’t prevent the Israeli destruction of 4 planes and the Towers.

    Further damage is that many of the construction workers that worked on the removal of the debris are now seriously handicapped from breathing asbestos dust. Instead of the millions some of the families got, they are unable to work and getting a thousand or less a month disability.

    And what are the construction unions doing about that?? Absolutely nothing. Maybe they’re too busy agitating for more illegal alien worker rights.

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  104. sarz says:

    I have enjoyed seeing the reports of Ron Unz’s rather delayed education, and I do appreciate his capacity to be undeflected from the important foci of the issues he covers, and of his bravery. That said, this particular piece did unsettle me for the insulting treatment of Christopher Bollyn’s contribution. Not even David Ray Griffin has done so much to uncover and piece together the true story of 9/11. I am sorry to say that I get the impression that Ron Unz, who has been duly appreciated by woke people, is quite unnecessarily quietly pinning someone else’s medal to his chest, albeit sharing the honors with Guyenot who too is after all only summarizing the discoveries of others.

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    From "hip," sarz wrote: "That said, this particular piece did unsettle me for the insulting treatment of Christopher Bollyn’s contribution. Not even David Ray Griffin has done so much to uncover and piece together the true story of 9/11."
    ... I agree, sarz!
    ... Ron Unz knows such near brush-off treatment of Bollyn's seminal "Solving 9/11" would catch "woke" readers' ire. Why do this?
    ... And his anointment of Guyenot did the article no favors.
    ... As Ron Unz has signaled more work to be done, maybe other discoveries will unfold?
    ... Thanks, sarz!
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  105. @Rurik

    ..that WTC7 probably came down for the reason given in the NIST report that heat induced steel expansion caused the rupture of joints and then the failure of Column 79 etc then you remove one pillar of truthers’ arguments.
     
    but how did they know it was going to fall, before it did?

    and why wiz, did this shocking and unprecedented collapse of a modern steel skyscraper into its footprint at free-fall speed- due to a few office fires- not have every beam and rivet poured over for forensic evidence of how it happened?

    Why did they immediately haul off and destroy all the evidence of, not just the worst crime in US history, but also of a engineering failure of such import that it defies every known tenet of physics and structural engineering?

    Shouldn't experts and professionals, somewhere.. had an interest in studying the collapse, to make sure office fires don't cause buildings to implode into their footprint at free-fall speed all over the planet?

    But instead, they shipped all the forensic evidence off to China to be melted down. With no investigation.

    Hmmmm....

    You may have noticed if you took the trouble that I was proposing a way in which Ron’s scientific knowledge could be deployed with meaningful result.

    And please don’t bother with that childishly naive argument about the BBC supposedly knowing in advance about the WTC 7 collapse. Just talk to someone who has worked at the front line in the media for a few years – or merely has some imagination and understanding of human error or crossed wires. BTE Silverstein hadn’t updated the insurance on that building….

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    please don’t bother with that childishly naive argument about the BBC supposedly knowing in advance about the WTC 7 collapse
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivRKfwmgrHY

    the difference is that the 'wizard' in the video is amiable, whereas the Unz 'wiz' is not.

    , @Heros
    Larry Silverstein in his own words stating that they were designing a new WTC already in 2000.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEZaaZFyZQk
    , @The scalpel
    It was not the BBC only. It was 3 major networks who reported the same false event at about the same time. Someone had to tip them off. Interestingly, no one ever investigated that angle. It seems it would have led straight to the culprits.
    , @skrik

    Once you get to the point of saying that WTC7 probably came down for the reason given in the NIST report that heat induced steel expansion caused the rupture of joints and then the failure of Column 79 etc then you remove one pillar of truthers’ arguments
     
    By this truly idiotic statement (as Rurik also pointed out) - supporting the NIST bullshit - you disqualify yourself from ever credibly arguing anything in here, ever again.

    Because then you added mendacity to your idiocy by trying to dishonestly squirm your way back from that indolent NIST support by:

    You may have noticed ... proposing a way
     
    - more bullshit, this time your very own.

    Bah! I bid you "Good day!"

    mendaci neque quum vera dicit, creditor
    ~Cicero; a liar is not to be believed, even when speaking the truth.
    , @Wade
    You can watch multiple videos of news agencies saying it with the image of WTC7 right behind their backs. In 1 or 2 of them the building collapses right *after* they had announced it already collapsed.

    Arguing with you is hard because you aren't in full possession of the facts the rest of us are.
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  106. @bj
    What other groups had motive and means to carry out an operation of this magnitude? It has to be a state actor with significant inside assets. Who has significant assets and influence in the USA government and media to derail investigation?

    It is 100% certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. ….And what Americans need to understand is they did it! And if they do understand it, Israel will flat ass disappear from this earth!

    Dr. Alan Sabrosky…former US War College Director
     

    What follows from that?

    Clearly, if Israel did it, they also know what Sabrosky said is true.

    That means Israel has to go all the way! It has to destroy America or be destroyed because sooner or later all Israel’s attempts to keep the knowledge that they did it under cover will fail.

    Does that bring certain attempts at fomenting war between Russia and the US into focus now?

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    Absolutely! Israel and its Zionist assets in the United States have to be dealt with or they will destroy us. Where is the trillion dollar military who take an oath to defend the United States of America from all enemies...foreign and domestic?

    It is 100% certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. ….And what Americans need to understand is they did it! And if they do understand it, Israel will flat ass disappear from this earth!

    Dr. Alan Sabrosky…former US War College Director
     
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  107. Have you ever had an accidental close encounter with a very famous person? One where you caught them exposed somehow for being who they REALLY are inside (maybe not as nice as their public image)?

    Once I was a musician at a swanky event that had some secondary political connection. I wandered into the wrong green room for my breaktime, and encountered Ariel Sharon there, by himself.

    I wasn’t nearly as ‘woke’ then I as I am now (this was probably around 1980), but I knew who this was. I had walked in on him, surprising him while alone and vulnerable. His expression looking up at me was unforgettable: “Are you the one sent to assassinate me?” was what it seemed to say. Naturally, since I was just a guy in a tuxedo carrying a saxophone, this seemed absurd, in a way. Yet I knew just what he meant, or felt.

    I was chilled to the bone from the feeling that I’d encountered a person whose soul had been turned over entirely to evil.

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  108. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    In the week after 9/11, in the Washington, D.C. area, the news stands ran a special 9/11 photo magazine issue at the checkouts. I bought this issue from Giant Food and looked through it thoroughly. I recall at the time that there was some outcry from the Arabs/Middle East over magazine deciding to run these pictures of Arabs in the West Bank cheering on 9/11. I remember at the time how politically incorrect I thought it was for them to do this.

    When the news came out about the first death from the anthrax attacks, which was Robert Stevens, a photo editor at National Enquirer/AMI, Inc. in Florida, I was baffled why this guy would be targeted. So out of curiosity I went to get my 9/11 magazine special and turned to the back where the credits were. I saw that the magazine was published by AMI, Inc., and the photo editor for the issue was Robert Stevens. I realized that either he was targeted by some Middle East/Arabs in retaliation for running the photos of the West Bank, or, someone wanted people to make that connection. Then after two months when this didn’t get traction Barbara Hatch Rosenberg started accusing Steven Hatfill and making connections to white racism and his time in Rhodesia.

    Also, another attempt was made to link it to Arabs/Arab country in the Middle East because of the box writing slanting downward from left to right on the address on the envelope. Suggesting the person who wrote the letter was an Arab and writes from left to right (which would naturally slant upward as you write). Arabic and Hebrew both go from right to left.

    You remind me that I didn’t quite get the relevance to 9/11 of the anthrax story unless it was just another example of MSM (disordeeed) priorities of the most general kind. Have I missed something?

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  109. LondonBob says:

    The whole dancing Israeli spies gave it away, the Jack Ruby element. Best case passive onlookers, more likely facilitators and participants.

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  110. The official report on 9/11 erodes all trust in official explanations. It is as useless and incomplete as the Warren report.
    I pretty much hold the view that a few selected and Israel were behind both deeds. I do not believe the US government did these heinous act, but there were government officials that participated in them.
    I doubt we will ever learn the truth, perhaps for the better, for if my theory is correct and it is proved it was so, we would get Armageddon. America would be torn apart in a civil war and Israel would be nuked.
    But when you look at both “incidents” why is it key witnesses die in weird accidents? Why is it that key witnesses are not evn called to give testimony?
    And why is it that in every single “in-explainable” incident since 1945, Israel somehow can be connected ? It is really thought provoking, but it is nevertheless true.
    I am part Jewish myself, but I cant distance myself further from the blemish of the world : Israel.
    Everything went down the toilet with the Naqba and it just became worse the following decades.
    Israel today is a more menacing terror state than the Third Reich ever was.
    “Ceterum censeo Israelinem esse delendam” a quote mad more up to date.

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  111. @Selvar
    American Pravda: Flat Earth

    You don't think it's coming? Unz once published an article by a guy who claimed that the mass Muslim rape at Cologne was either an inside job or it never happened.

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-muslim-rape-army-is-coming-to-getcha/

    Relevant quote from the article:

    "In particular, the only feasible explanation of why there is no video of anybody being sexually assaulted in Cologne inside or outside the train station on New Year’s Eve is that it never happened. A tree can still fall in the forest without it being caught on camera, but hundreds of women cannot be assaulted in public in the middle of Cologne in 2016 without there being any photos or video. If this had happened, we would have the corresponding visuals and we just don’t."

    Look, Ron is clearly a brilliant guy. He can make the case that high rates of Hispanic crime is a "myth". He can deny the holocaust, and he can say that 9/11 was an inside job (a unique combination of views to be sure!). He knows more about these issues than I ever will, but.... but it doesn't make him right. The fact that he saw fit to publish that Cologne article--which, to be fair, he did not write--makes me take everything he says with more than a grain of salt.

    A long post exercising weak logic that can be refuted by just a few lines with
    numbers.
    And it’s definitely not in your interest to let Numbers talk. So …

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  112. @Rurik

    Why would Israel want to do it?
     
    is there an Unz reward for the stupidest question of the year?

    'any suggestion that Israel subverts our government to fight wars on their behalf and extort untold billions of dollars from our treasury - is just a wacko conspiracy theory!'

    All anyone has to do is ask themselves... why would Israel want to loot untold billions of dollars from the US Treasury?!?!

    How does that benefit them?!

    Why would they want the dumb goyim to do their killing and dying for them?!

    How does it benefit Israel to have Americans dying in their place, so that ((they)) can sit back and count the billion$ in extorted lucre?

    It just doesn't make any sense! Huh wiz?

    You can’t restrain yourself from coming across as a semiliterate fool. I did not pose the question “Why would Israel want to do it?” in the way you portray those words from my comment.

    In UR threads’ overused currency I could brand you as dishonest and a liar but alternative explanations such as stupidity, carelessness and incontinent excitability offer themselves.

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    I did not pose the question “Why would Israel want to do it?” in the way you portray those words from my comment.
     
    yes you did

    your suggestion being that a person interested in figuring out what happened on 9/11, and who might have been responsible, if they're concerned with the possibility that Israel had something to do with it, should first ask themselves...

    “Why would Israel want to do it?”

    your (presumed) suggestion (considering you're a shameless and contemptible shill for all things Zion ; ) being that one would find a dearth of motivations for Israel to perpetrate such a heinous, cowardly and treacherous crime.

    But we all know that Israel is more than willing to murder Americans in cowardly and treacherous crimes, don't we? Even committing acts of war and atrocities against the United States and its citizens, when they believe they will somehow benefit. Huh wiz?

    From the Balfour Declaration, to the second world war, to the USS Liberty, to 9/11 and Iran's 'nuclear weapons program', Israel is a lying, murderous, criminal pariah state. The central sponsor of terror in the Middle East, and a stain upon every decent human being who fails to condemn its serial atrocities and genocidal affronts to human decency.

    That they perpetrated 9/11 is glaringly obvious today. The only question now is how do the rest of us treat that fiend on the world's stage, now that we all know.

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  113. @NoseytheDuke
    Instead of traumatising yourself speculating over Ron Unz's mental health, why not just fuck off yourself? That way everyone would benefit.

    Wow. Touchy, today. You couldn’t just ignore that? It was that important that you respond? And in such an infantile manner?

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  114. Vojkan says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Is there any proof that a terrorist organisation El Quaida ever existed ?
    The name is said to be the name of a house in Afghanistan.

    Some people are ready to stretch elementary logic beyond the point of rupture to support the narrative they believe in.

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    Some people are ready to stretch elementary logic beyond the point of rupture to support the narrative they believe in.
     
    Make that "most people". And the Powers That Be clearly rely on it - or otherwise they would be more careful with their cover-ups.
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  115. Che Guava says:

    BTW, for clarifying, I was saying ‘LOL with’ and ‘LOL at’, should have separate buttons, knowing that would be difficult, would require at least, separate icons.

    It is a bitter truth, after spending some time in a place where such lightning was, it is sickening.

    BTW, ‘Lowy’ used to call himself ‘Loewy’, have no idea of his real name.

    Really, LOL may be entirely redundant since that Vietnamese girl with the LOL shirt and her Indonesian pal nerve-poisoned the seemingly cheerful Kim Jong Nam. Sure, possibly neither knew what they were doing, the fact that neither died is making it easy to doubt that. Their controllers must have given them atropine, and special detergents for washing after the attack.

    Sry, off topic, but LOL perhaps should be abolished.

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  116. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alan Reid
    For every truth seekers considerations....
    So, Would anyone like to take a crack explaining the fact of the 99 day long fire on the "GROUND ZERO" site?

    Well for nearly 10 years i have been doing just that...

    I have seen Zero refutations for my theory.

    FDNY called the end of fire on December 19 2001.

    Now what could have caused a rubble filled concrete basement to burn for 99 days?

    What could have caused reports of boots melting,molten steel,Like a foundry and shit like the 'Meteorite'?

    How do you get 1200 degree temperature measurements from a satellite Infrared thermography a month after the event?

    Every single rescue dog that worked that pile is DEAD, Most of the persons that worked that pile are sick or dead.

    Sure there was and asbestos part to play,A certain americium touch from the Smoke detectors,and a mercury component.... but do you think the damage from asbestos and those others would be limited to the first responders ...??

    These two ground breaking worlds tallest buildings both had a device installed on the 110 floor, Floor space of VERY coveted nature for TV and radio equipment.. Space measured by the inch for it's placement at the top of those towers...

    That device was known as a tuned mass damper system... A system that made the very flexible towers work in the New York winds.... With out them working the tower had to be evacuated lest the occupants be made seasick from the swaying. If you worked near the top and had to endure this you would never set foot in this building again from the fear.

    Now this Tuned Mass Damper is a well understood thing in very tall buildings, The mass is used to counteract the wind loading and spring back effect of counter loading turbulence around the outside of the square tube structure.

    A building like this had to have a very advanced version of a TMD to make the building safe, An active tuned mass damper system. The mass was controlled by a series of connections like Shock Absorbers, These were used to digitally modulate the motions of the damper to increase the efficiency of the system and give it a better damping signature in the environment they worked.

    I contend the main portion of those dampers the mass part were made of two parts a concrete box with a steel bottom plating and a filling of Uranium-238 granules for the mass part. With the limited and costly space requirements this would be the most efficient material to use to do this work, And had a secondary use.... After life of the structure had expired.

    Uranium-238 is what is known a pyrophoric substance.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrophoricity

    If you get it hot enough it will burn until it is totally consumed, Now i have never intentionally burned 600 PLUS TONS of U-238 but i can tell you it will burn in excess of 5600 degrees... And it's not going to burn fast either.... But rather as a process over time according to the environment it is contained.

    Each tower had a TMD system, Each of those systems was over 600 tons i weight. That 600 tons of weight was directly over the top of the express elevator shaft... That shaft having only a few parts of obstruction to the basements. Or to say it another way... Only a few secondary explosions away from a perfect drop chute from the bottom of the damper to the lower parking levels of each tower.

    Once burning there is no hope of putting out these fires. And has anyone else noted the symptoms of the men working at 'GROUND ZERO" have the same traits of GULF WAR SYNDROME???

    So you have read the claim i have about the fire that burned for 99 days without any added fuel. I claim these men are victims of a Uranium-238 fire from structural building components.

    But the Structural components part is SECONDARY to the main use for all that uranium, Evidence disposal.



    Or to say it another way... The twin towers were built from day one with this 9/11 event in mind.



    Later on i will let you all in on how they used sheet explosives to do the demo... That too was built in from day one of this project.


    #2

    Anyone want to hear the other bit?



    Fuck it here goes....



    Now this theory has had some years work to fit the many claims into a tolerable narrative of the Demo and WHY it was a demo.
    I started with the video record, I watched every frame over and over again, All the angles and from all the vantage points.
    Then i looked at the things needed to make the video possible, That took some doing.
    Then i looked at the gravity of building a pair of towers in the heart of the financial district.... The shit i saw in doing this was stunning...
    So to part one.
    By now everyone that is thinking and sane can tell these towers were victims of 3 controlled demolition. Much has been said to cloud and obfuscate what really happened, Read (mini-nukes),(Nano-thermate),(Thermite). but all that is just plain Crap. Reach over flip the lever and flush it down.
    There has been a gargantuan play book of the towers were weak and near ready to fall bullshit flowing from many angles, Well i will just tell you that is also Crap,Flush #2.

    That being flushed into the septic tank we can move on to INSURANCE and the persons that play that game...Now you don't get involved in something like a pair of 1400 foot tall buildings without having given the matter some serious thought, And given the real estate the were being built on the entire lifespan of them HAD to be dealt with from the first shovel full of dirt to their eventual removal after they had reached their end of life cycle. Many of the structures in this sort of environment have similar regulatory constraints on their construction and many of them fall into the 'If shit goes bad WHAT THEN' category.

    Insurance fellows are annoyingly like screaming toddlers about liability and who is on the hook if shit does indeed go bad.... They produce scenario after scenario to cover their asses and avoid having to pay out huge sums of cash. These towers are perfect examples of this game theory run amok.
    You could not do anything until these forces have a compelling path to fallow from point 'A' to point 'Z' with them still holding all that loot.

    This is where it gets real good. If you want to put this pair of worlds tallest buildings on the WTC site you had to assure them they would never fear about the liability. Being so tall they were a natural for aircraft crashes, So they had to be strong enough to withstand SEVERAL Boeing 707 aircraft hitting them( you may be wrong if you think you know what 'Several' actually means. I think the real number was 6, but some say the game scape went to assurances up to seven of them.

    Now the regulators demanded that above all the other dangers of very tall structures these ones had to fend off some serious threats.
    So fire and terrorism or any other threat the other buildings surrounding these structures might have to endure had to have thick volumes of assurance that none of them would visit... Pucker factor #1 for the engineers. Then they had to deal with the eventual 'What to do after they are rusted junk and need to be removed' part of the whole scheme... Pucker factor #2. But wait it gets even better, The common industry method of this part of a building like these would produce a HUGE level of LIABILITY ot the owners of these structures... and here is where you will have to do some life sentences to the men that OK'd this plan... They decided that Yes they will eventually have to be brought down and yes there was going to be some real bank killing damages to their cash flows, So what to do....

    Call in the Big gun Lawyers and run the game engine until the whole mess is gravy... so what did they think up? Deflect liability with legislation about 'Acts of Terror'
    Once they had a plan they went to the engineers and said 'Well, what do you think, Can you do it?' And the pay loving engineer set said sure thin boss not a problem at all.

    Once they had a mandate they started to work out the logistics of covering all the bases in regard what was needed to make it all work, If they but Apollo they will buy ANYTHING. So the put to work, First need was a plan to make the perfect demo job for a building that was not even on paper yet, The problem was that for all the chess pieces to have enough room on the board much of the demo work had to be built into the structure at the initial stages of assembly, but taking a page from the NASA boys they came up with the corrugated floor pans that every single floor would eventually be built.

    Those would be made from two near identical sheets formed so as when they were put together there was enough space in between for a RDX charge just thick enough to do the job, then the two sheets and the sheet explosive were induction welded on every seam to 'ADD strength' and bond it into one single unit... Then they made the entire puzzle of this building with these units, I don't recall the number of them but their was a shit load of them. Every floor was started with those pans in a grid, and once the concrete was poured, Nobody would ever know that the towers had a bomb on every single floor hidden away in those units. Part one of the big show was in play, the time was the early days of construction.

    The next big deal need was to deal with all the structural steel this pair was built.. This one needed some real intense thinking, but scum bag engineers had a book full of nasty shit to pull for those that pay the bills and supply the power they want... so they went to work and thought up the Asbestos fireproofing. I think the term used was " I got an angle' and like that Stern went bonkers and the towers were liberally coated with the then known carcinogenic substance, and just to up the nasty meter even higher they tiled much of the floor work with tiles of the same shit Asbestos... What they wanted was an excuse to later do a bunch of refitting of that material fuck up and do some EXTRA additions...in the form of copper shape charges, once they applied the charges they re applied the new fireproofing and nobody was any wiser and they had part two dealt with, so now on to part three...

    What the fuck do we do with all the required records of all this clandestine work done to these towers that they needed to keep that fall going right on target of that foot print... Well like most they shoved it all into the basements for 'Safe keeping' as the day drew near they hoovered up a shitload of the bullion stored there and removed it, leaving a token amount to point at.,,

    That's where our previous friend the TMD came in, It's job was to ensure every single thing used to make the whole sick plan work every drawing every inventory every blueprint every single computer file EVERYTHING that could convict them of this crime was totally destroyed 100%... Sounds like a job for a blast furnace to me chimed one of the minions and the U-238 TMD was GO!

    After enough time had passed and the big show drew near they had a power down pow-wow and installed all the logic and detonators, all the delays and other bits needed to do in stuff like the elevators and other large shit like the hat truss and associated gear, into the Free spaces above everyone's head hidden away inside the ceiling spaces waited a command from building #7 that had similar work done to it's structure... All that remained was the holy fucking shit of 2 aircraft crashes. and the play was ready to start.

    Everyone was a witness to the events, everyone saw the falling man, Everyone saw the smoke and fire... and everyone bought the instantaneous lies that came pouring out of every single yammering bobble head working in TeeVeee land... Bought the lies that came form the highest positions of power. They paid BILLIONS upon BILLIONS to get this show started and they went nuts like no other before them, they blew the shit out of several countries in the Mid-East, they looted every single bar of gold they could lay their grimy blood soaked hands on and sat back and dared you to think about the height of their super crime and do anything.

    We now sit here nearing the end of 2018, Not one of the persons with the blood on their hands is even being looked at let alone dealt with.... Because you did not get my memo... Well you cannot un-ring the bell no matter how hard you try... Now do your fucking job America and deal with this event before you all regret not doing so.



    Time is short now folks, The ball is in your court...

    Thanks so much for the information. When the WTC was being sprayed with asbestos every other building in America was being refitted to remove asbestos. There were TV documentaries about workers dying and disabled from asbestos.

    But the WTC used it.

    Putting the sway prevention things directly over the elevator shaft had to be against code. I know NYC is notoriously corrupt but JHC.

    The WTC was very cheaply built. The area was a crime ridden black ghetto when the plans were made. It was part of the great society plan of putting stadiums, government and other big office building in high crime aka black areas in hope the blacks would leave.

    I vaguely remember articles even they started building that it would rejuvenate the area. Probably the inspectors were told by the city to go easy on code violations as well as observing the NYC custom of taking bribes to over look violations.

    And those plans obviously were approved. But builders often file a set of plans that satisfy the code but actually build some crap that falls apart.

    Thanks so much. This is the most informative comment I’ve ever read about the demolition.

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  117. Rurik says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Ron, you have certainly sampled a much bigger part of the published material on 9/11 than I have but I say, with respect, that you have gone off prematurely, if not half cocked.

    Certainly Israel is the country whose leaders might have seen benefit in getting the US angry with Arabs or Muslims. And maybe Sharon was a big enough gambler. But the case for ObL seeing benefit is simpler and clearer. Nothing could have suited him better than to get his evil American enemy mired in war in the country where he had seen the Soviet Union suffer. And would you not normally regard it as naive to put any weight on his actual or alleged denial of responsibility? The most likely explanation for that denial is that he was backing up the lie to Mullah Omar whom he feared would no longer harbour him while he hadn't yet arranged to hide in Pakistan. But it is also likely that the destruction of the Towers and killing of so many people wasn't expected so sounding piously decent was conveniently easy.

    Your hypothesis works best, I think, if Mossad convinced the Arab hijackers that everything was being done as part of an Al Qaeda operation. One can rule out ObL knowingly cooperating with Mossad because he would have disclosed that quite soon after the event. More likely is Mossad managing to introduce facilitators into the operation, and maybe even inspiring it, or aspects of it.

    If you get round to focusing your scientific knowledge and intellect on quite a few critical aspects that is where you could really earn the gratitude of UR readers. In the course of doing that you would, one hopes, tidy up some matters of fact; e.g. was there really no aircraft wreckage at the Pentagon? I remember a photograph of an American Airlines tail apparently on the lawn outside the hole in the Pentagon. And what happened to those flights and all the passengers and crew?

    Different subject but you did say that you expected Obama to be a very bad President and that he was even worse than you expected. Would you mind indulging your readers, ready to be fascinated, with your one paragraph pithy version of why that is your opinion? More paragraphs, better still.

    Different subject but you did say that you expected Obama to be a very bad President and that he was even worse than you expected. Would you mind indulging your readers, ready to be fascinated, with your one paragraph pithy version of why that is your opinion? More paragraphs, better still.

    trying to deflect here wiz?

    ‘Ron, can you please take over for me in trolling your article, by writing something completely off topic?’

    Poor, poor wiz..

    what an unthankful job it is to shill for Zion, 24/7

    ‘but NIST said …!’

    here’s a video of the missile hitting the Pentagon, which shows the vapor trail of something that obviously isn’t a commercial passenger jet.

    but where are all the other videos of the Pentagon being hit?

    that is perhaps the most surveilled property on the plant, and yet all we have is this one video. Where are all the rest?

    What are they hiding wiz?

    And what about the plane wreckage at Shanksville? Did the jet plunge into the ground and get melted in the earth’s core?

    I rather doubt that.

    No wiz, your puerile efforts notwithstanding, it is obvious to any thinking person by now, that they lied about 9/11, and that it was a ‘USS Liberty’ style false flag to get US to fight Israel’s wars for them.

    Duh.

    But keep on shilling, I find your effete and doddering tenacity rather amusing.

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    That footage clearly shows the airline hitting the Pentagon. I suspect the missile canard is a deliberate ruse to discredit skeptics amd waste time.
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  118. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Wow, Ron's finally woken up.

    Welcome to the real world, Mr. Unz!

    Ron woke up long time ago.

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  119. Rurik says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    You may have noticed if you took the trouble that I was proposing a way in which Ron's scientific knowledge could be deployed with meaningful result.

    And please don't bother with that childishly naive argument about the BBC supposedly knowing in advance about the WTC 7 collapse. Just talk to someone who has worked at the front line in the media for a few years - or merely has some imagination and understanding of human error or crossed wires. BTE Silverstein hadn't updated the insurance on that building....

    please don’t bother with that childishly naive argument about the BBC supposedly knowing in advance about the WTC 7 collapse

    the difference is that the ‘wizard’ in the video is amiable, whereas the Unz ‘wiz’ is not.

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  120. @Selvar
    American Pravda: Flat Earth

    You don't think it's coming? Unz once published an article by a guy who claimed that the mass Muslim rape at Cologne was either an inside job or it never happened.

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-muslim-rape-army-is-coming-to-getcha/

    Relevant quote from the article:

    "In particular, the only feasible explanation of why there is no video of anybody being sexually assaulted in Cologne inside or outside the train station on New Year’s Eve is that it never happened. A tree can still fall in the forest without it being caught on camera, but hundreds of women cannot be assaulted in public in the middle of Cologne in 2016 without there being any photos or video. If this had happened, we would have the corresponding visuals and we just don’t."

    Look, Ron is clearly a brilliant guy. He can make the case that high rates of Hispanic crime is a "myth". He can deny the holocaust, and he can say that 9/11 was an inside job (a unique combination of views to be sure!). He knows more about these issues than I ever will, but.... but it doesn't make him right. The fact that he saw fit to publish that Cologne article--which, to be fair, he did not write--makes me take everything he says with more than a grain of salt.

    Nice try Troll.

    Unz publishes articles by many different authors including Fred Reed and that ridiculous guy who claimed that scrabble prowess proves that blacks do not have lower IQs, on average.

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    that ridiculous guy who claimed that scrabble prowess proves that blacks do not have lower IQs, on average.
     
    Actually, the articles on Scrabble did not at all claim to demonstrate that blacks have equally high IQ's, on average, as whites. The author was arguing that the Scrabble results were not consistent with Black Africans being two standard deviations lower, i.e. 30 points lower, i.e. an average IQ of 70, a datum (rather dubious IMO also) that the IQ-ists love to trot out.

    So, either:

    (a) you did really not read those articles

    (b) you read them and did not understand them.

    (c) you are engaging in a dishonest straw man.

    I thought he made his argument quite well. As for Freddy Boy Reid, he wrote a couple of articles on 9/11 that, I believe constitute pure intellectual fraud. And I feel strongly that Unz should not have published them.

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  121. @Anatoly Karlin
    My familiarity with 9/11 trutherism is bounded at Loose Change and a few articles discussing it.

    My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can't melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked. If it wasn't the Saudi knifemen who hijacked the planes, who was it? As far as I know hacking them is out of the question - all planes need to have manual overrides. Is Mossad capable of scraping together 19 Zionist fanatics hardcore enough to sacrifice themselves for the cause?

    The main unexplained suspicious factor is the unusual trading in the hours preceding 9/11. This would be consistent with certain people knowing about (or hearing rumors about) the impending events and keeping quiet about it, while making a buck on the side. Feasibly, that could been Mossad agents... and/or any number of other people.

    They wouldn’t need any hardcore Zionist fanatics. Islamic ones will do very nicely and aren’t hard to find. Mossad simply found some unwitting dupes and shadowed them for years while monitoring their progress toward 9/11.

    As for the “debunking” of jet fuel melting steel, when did that happen? National Geographic TV did a supposed debunking by suspending steel I-beams over barrels of flaming kerosene and even they had to admit that no melting took place or was even possible.

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    As for the “debunking” of jet fuel melting steel, when did that happen?
     
    There is no need to melt the steel: it weakens considerably with temperature, as any blacksmith will tell you.

    http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/project/research/structures/strucfire/materialInFire/Steel/FireResistantSteel/fig29.gif

    The figure shows "Strength Reduction Factors for Nippon Steel FR [Fire Resistant] Bolts at Elevated Temperatures" and comes from here:
    http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/project/research/structures/strucfire/materialInFire/Steel/FireResistantSteel/boltedConnection.htm

    Similar information is available from many other sources.
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  122. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Biff
    One question:
    If no airplanes flew into the buildings including the pentagon, where did they and the passengers go?

    There are some very enjoyable theories about that. They fall into 2 groups.

    I. Those people never existed but birth certificates school and employment records were created decades before the demolition.

    2. They and their families are all in a witness protection gulag somewhere.

    More fun than a Tom Clancy movie.

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  123. c matt says:
    @Thomm
    Fail.

    This 'truther' schtick is absurd. Remember that Radical Muslims also did a number of other large terrorist attacks outside the US (such as London 2005, Madrid 2004, Mumbai 2006, Kenya and Tanzania 1998, Beirut Marine Barracks 1983, Bali 2002, France 2015, etc.). The notion that the biggest one was a false flag is absurd, because to believe that, one has to ignore the large number of other attacks that Radical Muslims have undertaken.

    But you forget – Americans don’t care until something happens HERE.

    I don’t know that they are the Religion of Peace (more like Piece), but that does not mean 9/11 was not a Mossad action. Some, several, or all of those others could be as well.

    One thing that always seemed odd to me – all three looked like controlled demolition. I would not expect a building smacked from one side, unevenly, to fall into its own footprint. The direct impact side would most likely fail before the “exit” side, and it would at least twist/bend a little and fall unevenly.

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  124. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sparkon
    I've already written quite a bit about 9/11 at UR, so I'm happy to see this article by our host Ron Unz, and since I am fatigued after a long journey, I will gladly take the opportunity to refer to some of my earlier work here:

    There are several quibbles. Nano-thermite is a weak explosive. To quote myself:

    Yawning footnotes:

    ¹ Explosive velocities of high explosives: DDF – 10,000mps HMX – 9,100mps RDX – 8,750mps TNT – 6,900MPS compared with Jones’ Thermite @ 300-895mps

    ² Using USGS Report #01-0429 as Google search argument,
    I have located and reviewed these USGS documents:

    • Environmental Studies of the World Trade Center area after the September 11, 2001 attack
    • Particle Atlas of World Trade Center Dust
    • Chemical compositions of the WTC dusts and girder coating material

    There is no mention of “thermite” or “nanothermite” that I could find in any of these official USGS documents on WTC dust.
     
    http://www.unz.com/article/creative-chaos/#comment-2347257

    Magic Airplanes:
    https://911planeshoax.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/michael-hezarkhani.jpg
    Michael Hezarkhani, CNN
    via 911planeshoax dot com

    http://www.unz.com/article/revisiting-911-betty-ong-and-the-mystery-of-black-betty/#comment-2314925

    Back to Black Betty:

    In this photo from The S.F. Examiner, we see that Betty Ong’s memorial has the Chinese characters 鄧月薇 (Deng Yuewei) below her name in English: Betty (Bee) Ann Ong.
     
    So how did Betty Ong acquire the additional Chinese name?

    http://www.unz.com/article/revisiting-911-betty-ong-and-the-mystery-of-black-betty/#comment-2303125

    Here, the last word -- for now -- goes to George W. Bush:

    The TV was obviously on.
     

    Ask her brother. Harry Ong can be found at a CVS pharmacy in the bay area. Or look on people finder for the sisters.

    I’m sure they can tell you. Or maybe they and Betty were CIA actors from birth.

    Xiabo becomes Bob. Liu becomes Lee.

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  125. c matt says:
    @Rurik

    Why would Israel want to do it?
     
    is there an Unz reward for the stupidest question of the year?

    'any suggestion that Israel subverts our government to fight wars on their behalf and extort untold billions of dollars from our treasury - is just a wacko conspiracy theory!'

    All anyone has to do is ask themselves... why would Israel want to loot untold billions of dollars from the US Treasury?!?!

    How does that benefit them?!

    Why would they want the dumb goyim to do their killing and dying for them?!

    How does it benefit Israel to have Americans dying in their place, so that ((they)) can sit back and count the billion$ in extorted lucre?

    It just doesn't make any sense! Huh wiz?

    Rurik, I think you are misreading Wiz.

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    Rurik, I think you are misreading Wiz.
     
    how so?

    this was his post:

    You don’t have to ask someone who believes Israel did it. You just have to start thinking it through from the questions 1. Why would Israel want to do it? and 2. How would they then plan it?

    Obviously they have to feed a plausible narrative and Al Qaeda and ObL are your conveniently Arab villains.
     
    if the wiz were a person of good faith, and was sincerely asking a fellow to investigate by asking 'who benefits', then perhaps he could be given the benefit of the doubt.

    But the wiz is not a person of good faith, but is rather a lying scoundrel, who uses every opportunity here at Unz to deflect from Israel's serial crimes.

    So how exactly anyone could interpret his words differently, is quite beyond me.

    When the wiz asks..

    'Why would Israel want to do it? '

    what he's suggesting is that there is a dearth of reasons, because the wiz always, without exception, shills for Zion. (I know, I've been mocking his dishonestly for years now ; )

    Just read the bullshit he spews. 'There's nothing untoward about the BBC or Fox News reporting on building seven's controlled demolition before it happened. That kind of screw-up happens all the time in broadcasting.'

    Well, no it doesn't. Advance knowledge of building seven's collapse is PROOF that Osama and his nineteen Arabs didn't do it, and that rather it was wired for a controlled demolition by agents in the West. (Lucky Larry and co.) Duh.
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  126. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Selvar
    American Pravda: Flat Earth

    You don't think it's coming? Unz once published an article by a guy who claimed that the mass Muslim rape at Cologne was either an inside job or it never happened.

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-muslim-rape-army-is-coming-to-getcha/

    Relevant quote from the article:

    "In particular, the only feasible explanation of why there is no video of anybody being sexually assaulted in Cologne inside or outside the train station on New Year’s Eve is that it never happened. A tree can still fall in the forest without it being caught on camera, but hundreds of women cannot be assaulted in public in the middle of Cologne in 2016 without there being any photos or video. If this had happened, we would have the corresponding visuals and we just don’t."

    Look, Ron is clearly a brilliant guy. He can make the case that high rates of Hispanic crime is a "myth". He can deny the holocaust, and he can say that 9/11 was an inside job (a unique combination of views to be sure!). He knows more about these issues than I ever will, but.... but it doesn't make him right. The fact that he saw fit to publish that Cologne article--which, to be fair, he did not write--makes me take everything he says with more than a grain of salt.

    The fact that he saw fit to publish that Cologne article–which, to be fair, he did not write–makes me take everything he says with more than a grain of salt.

    I remember that article. Ron Unz publicly disagreed with the author’s theory in the comments:

    Well, I managed to get some very troublesome software work finished, so I thought I’d take a look at this amusing thread. And sure enough, Revusky is repeating his “if it had happened, there would be hundreds of videos and photos” argument about any violent event.

    Well, I’m skeptical and explained why when he submitted his long article, which I found quite unpersuasive.

    So, can you offer something more substantial to challenge this article? Something other than a deceptive, guilt by association, smear?

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    Well, most of this article doesn't make the case for 9/11 truth. Rather, Unz argues for the credibility of *other* people who have made the case for 9/11 truth and questions the credibility of those who would refute them. I am questioning his discernment in judging the credibility of others by referencing the Cologne conspiracy article, which he may not have agreed with but found reasonable enough to publish nonetheless. The "guilt by association" is between Unz and the content of his own site.

    As for specific claims, many people far more qualified than I have taken on the task of debunking 9/11 truth. I'll just address Unz's claim that it would have been implausible for the passport of one of the 9/11 hijackers to survive the attack. Actually, it's often the case that personal effects--such as driver's licenses and various documents--can survive a direct plane crash/collision. There was plenty of other similar debris from both the planes and the buildings that survived 9/11.

    Here is an old anti-truther website which addresses this claim in more detail and quotes several newspaper articles in relation to other personal effects which have been recovered from the attacks.

    http://www.911myths.com/html/passport_recovered.html

    , @Jonathan Revusky
    [It's very poor behavior to clutter up threads with excessively long off-topic comments focused on your personal obsessions, especially since you've been given a fragile second-chance to participate here. Keep this up, and all your future comments will get trashed.]

    I remember that article. Ron Unz publicly disagreed with the author’s theory in the comments:
     
    Well, that's a dodgy representation of what happened, that Unz disagreed with the "author's theory". No, in fact, what Unz did was that he blatantly misrepresented what I was saying and then disagreed with that misrepresentation.

    In case you don't know, that is called the "straw-man fallacy". In the excerpt you quote:

    And sure enough, Revusky is repeating his “if it had happened, there would be hundreds of videos and photos” argument about any violent event.
     
    Well, no, I never said there would be "hundreds of videos and photos". He was putting words in my mouth! Nor did I say that there would be photos or video of "ANY violent event". No, of course not. Obviously, a lot of violent events would occur in some dark alley with nobody else around and not be recorded. No, I specifically said this:

    If an event of sufficiently large scale is alleged to have taken place in a wide open public space full of people, yet there is no corresponding video or photographic evidence, then it must be fake news.
     
    So, obviously, I pointed out to Unz that he had grotesquely misrepresented what I was saying. Of course, Unz did not concede my point. He just walked away from the conversation. Quite unfortunately, that is typical Ron Unz behavior.

    In any case, what does it matter whether Ron Unz thinks there is a rape epidemic going on in Germany? Obviously, the important question is whether there really is one or not. Besides, look, if it took Ron Unz 17 years to figure out that the 9/11 story is bullshit, then we could project that he'll figure out that there is no Muslim rape epidemic maybe by 2032 or so. I mean to say, okay, the guy will eventually get there, I suppose, but it could take him a while!

    But anyway, I'm quite certain that this rape epidemic stuff is just nonsense. I wrote that article a bit over a year ago, and every bit of new information I ever ran into about this situation just reinforced my position. It later came to my attention that the main "witness" of this in Cologne, Ivan Jurcevic, is obviously a crisis actor. In two and a half years, no photos or video have ever surfaced that are consistent with what they say happened. No CCTV, no smartphone footage.... And there are eyewitnesses who look credible to me who say they were there at the time and didn't see any of this happening.

    But it's not just about the Cologne event itself. It's the whole narrative. I live in Spain. A Spanish friend here, was born here and always lived here, but his mother is German, and he grew up speaking with his Mom in German. So he's fluent and knows people in the German expat community here and so on. He got interested in this whole "Muslim rape epidemic" narrative last summer after I wrote the article and told me that he had broached the topic in various social gatherings full of German people -- Germans who were holidaying here but live in Germany....

    He'd ask some woman about this huge problem of getting raped by the swarthy savages or whatever.... My friend told me that basically, he would bring up this whole thing and nobody knew WTF he was talking about! Women would say: "Huh? Germany is completely safe. I go out at night at any hour and there is no problem!"

    So, what it is really about here is this kind of hard-core racist echo chamber that exists. It really seems that if you don't read Breitbart or VDare and you don't listen to Paul Joseph Watson or Stefan Molyneux or Red Ice Radio or whatever, then you just don't know that there is a "Muslim Rape epidemic" going on there under your nose somehow.

    But, okay, fine. What do those people know? They just live in Germany, eh?

    But, I mean to say, it's an echo chamber in which people just keep repeating these things and there is never the slightest attempt to fact check any of this. But then for the people whose information about the world comes from these highly ideological sources, it forms their mental world.

    So then, when somebody (me in this case) tells you, "Look, there is no Muslim Rape epidemic in Germany. This is a hoax!" then you freak out, because this is part of your mental world, I guess.

    But look, you guys really have things 180 degrees ass backwards. What tends to discredit this site is all this echo chamber wingnuttery, like claiming that there is a Muslim rape epidemic going on, with zero fact checking. I mean, if you are a middle-of-the-road person in Germany, like those people my friend talked to, and you run across some American site that is going on and on about some rape epidemic in your country that you know doesn't exist, THAT is what tends to discredit the site, not somebody like me, pointing out that this is nonsense.

    Now, just to be absolutely clear, I am not saying that mass immigration doesn't cause problems. And I am not saying that absolutely nobody ever gets raped either. That would be a ridiculous claim.

    But, this whole "Muslim Rape army" synthetic narrative, of which the Cologne thing is the centerpiece -- I am quite satisfied that this is just bullshit. It's part of a whole. It's like this Paul Joseph Watson claiming that Sweden is a crime-ridden hellhole. That's surely nonsense. Okay, there is some amount of crime, sure, but.... I'm sure that everybody who lives in Sweden or just spends some amount of time there knows that this "Mean streets of Malmo" thing is basically nonsense.

    So, no, it's the constant repetition of all this wingnut stuff on this site that would tend to discredit it, not the occasional piece that makes some attempt to puncture all this nonsense.
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  128. Rurik says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    You can't restrain yourself from coming across as a semiliterate fool. I did not pose the question "Why would Israel want to do it?" in the way you portray those words from my comment.

    In UR threads' overused currency I could brand you as dishonest and a liar but alternative explanations such as stupidity, carelessness and incontinent excitability offer themselves.

    I did not pose the question “Why would Israel want to do it?” in the way you portray those words from my comment.

    yes you did

    your suggestion being that a person interested in figuring out what happened on 9/11, and who might have been responsible, if they’re concerned with the possibility that Israel had something to do with it, should first ask themselves…

    “Why would Israel want to do it?”

    your (presumed) suggestion (considering you’re a shameless and contemptible shill for all things Zion ; ) being that one would find a dearth of motivations for Israel to perpetrate such a heinous, cowardly and treacherous crime.

    But we all know that Israel is more than willing to murder Americans in cowardly and treacherous crimes, don’t we? Even committing acts of war and atrocities against the United States and its citizens, when they believe they will somehow benefit. Huh wiz?

    From the Balfour Declaration, to the second world war, to the USS Liberty, to 9/11 and Iran’s ‘nuclear weapons program’, Israel is a lying, murderous, criminal pariah state. The central sponsor of terror in the Middle East, and a stain upon every decent human being who fails to condemn its serial atrocities and genocidal affronts to human decency.

    That they perpetrated 9/11 is glaringly obvious today. The only question now is how do the rest of us treat that fiend on the world’s stage, now that we all know.

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    Iran’s ‘nuclear weapons program’
     
    Fun fact: Netanyahu is a habitual, bold-faced liar:

    In his 1995 book, “Fighting Terrorism,” Netanyahu once again asserted that Iran would have a nuclear weapon in “three to five years,” apparently forgetting about the expiration of his old deadline.
     
    https://theintercept.com/2015/03/02/brief-history-netanyahu-crying-wolf-iranian-nuclear-bomb/

    Question: how many times did "the boy who cried 'wolf'" lie to the villagers before they took him to the woods and disappeared his sorry ass (that's the true story - "he was eaten by wolves" was an inside joke)?
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  129. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tim Howells
    Re the claimed decreases in crime rates in cities with a massive influx of immigrants from south of the border, this is most likely due to the ethnic cleansing of blacks by better armed and organized latino gangs. Hispanic violent crime rates are typically 2-3 times White rates, while Black rates are 5-7 times White rates. Therefore if you just look at rates within these cities you could expect to see statistically significant decreases in crime. As you say, more studies are needed, but I think this is the likely explanation.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=latino+gang+blacks+california+cities+%22ethnic+cleansing%22&t=ffsb&ia=images

    That IS the explanation. As anyone who lived through black crime in big cities and noticed crime went down after the Hispanics drive the black orcs out.

    I don’t mean official crime stats that can be manipulated.

    I mean noticing that people can park their cars in the streeet and walk home a block at night without getting raped or robbed. Or that no one has been burgled. Or stores are no longer being held up regularly.

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  130. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @steinbergfeldwitzcohen
    Nice.
    I was wondering when this topic would come up.

    My program: constitutional amendments
    1. Citizenship: no duals, office holding by 3rd gen Americans ie. loyalty, white only immigrants
    2. Sedition: capital punishment
    3Campaign finance: public funding

    Either America reforms shortly or violent upheaval is inevitable. At this point I'd support a military .junta to reform this country. We need treason trials, executions and expulsions. Neo-cohens are at the top of the list. The betrayal of America by subversives is the murder of freedom not just a nation.
    BYOR

    I don’t think we can do anything at this point. All we can do is check the black box on applications and go underground. Whites have betrayed Whites. There will be no nationalist movement. Take care of yourself and your family. The military leadership is more anti White and liberal than most government agencies.

    50 year anniversary of the affirmative action act.

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    I don’t think we can do anything at this point.
     
    Trying to wake up other people is still possible and worthwhile, even though that does not immediately change the world.
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  131. @sarz
    I have enjoyed seeing the reports of Ron Unz's rather delayed education, and I do appreciate his capacity to be undeflected from the important foci of the issues he covers, and of his bravery. That said, this particular piece did unsettle me for the insulting treatment of Christopher Bollyn's contribution. Not even David Ray Griffin has done so much to uncover and piece together the true story of 9/11. I am sorry to say that I get the impression that Ron Unz, who has been duly appreciated by woke people, is quite unnecessarily quietly pinning someone else's medal to his chest, albeit sharing the honors with Guyenot who too is after all only summarizing the discoveries of others.

    From “hip,” sarz wrote: “That said, this particular piece did unsettle me for the insulting treatment of Christopher Bollyn’s contribution. Not even David Ray Griffin has done so much to uncover and piece together the true story of 9/11.”
    … I agree, sarz!
    … Ron Unz knows such near brush-off treatment of Bollyn’s seminal “Solving 9/11″ would catch “woke” readers’ ire. Why do this?
    … And his anointment of Guyenot did the article no favors.
    … As Ron Unz has signaled more work to be done, maybe other discoveries will unfold?
    … Thanks, sarz!

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    Ron Unz knows such near brush-off treatment of Bollyn’s seminal “Solving 9/11″ would catch “woke” readers’ ire
     
    Oh, really? Proof, please. I 'sidelined' Bollyn’s 'contributions' a long time ago; just did a bit of searching:

    Bollyn talks about Israeli involvement in the events of 9/11 but promotes the nanothermite theory ... Jones and Bollyn vehemently deny that the WTC buildings were nuked
     
    Bollyn only gets 2 out of 3 from this veteranstoday quote [a site generally not recommended by me], which goes on to say:

    It is not physically possible to demolish a building using non-existent nanothermite
     
    Proposing nanothermite is controversial *speculation* for which there is a) little to no proof, and b) a much better, much less controversial candidate, namely PETN, also in the form of 'det cord.' Nanothermite is more of a 'fizzer' and stands no chance when compared to:

    PETN actually burns hotter than most high explosives, at around 7650 deg. farenheit (4230 C) and it creates a detonation velocity of over 8350 meters per second. PETN is the core material used in what is refered to in the demolition industry as “det cord“, a high explosive in itself used to break up concrete structures during demolitions and also connect RDX linear shaped charges or “cutter charges” placed on the steel beams and columns in a controlled explosive demolition
     
    The latter perfect for cutting core-columns at 45° and the former for blasting concrete floor-slabs into pyroclastic, billowing clouds of concrete-dust mixed with powdered asbestos and the shattered remains of office-furniture and office-workers both. rgds
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  132. Mike P says:
    @Vojkan
    Some people are ready to stretch elementary logic beyond the point of rupture to support the narrative they believe in.

    Some people are ready to stretch elementary logic beyond the point of rupture to support the narrative they believe in.

    Make that “most people”. And the Powers That Be clearly rely on it – or otherwise they would be more careful with their cover-ups.

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  133. FB says:

    Glad to see this article…

    Let us now suppose that the overwhelming weight of evidence is correct…We recognize the extreme implausibility that three huge skyscrapers in New York City suddenly collapsed at free-fall velocity into their own footprints after just two of them were hit by airplanes, and also that a large civilian jetliner probably did not strike the Pentagon leaving absolutely no wreckage and only a small hole.

    What actually did happen, and more importantly, who was behind it?

    Mr Unz then proceeds to start speculating on the WHODUNNIT part…

    Now, I’m glad to see that he has outlined his thoughts here in a quite readable and engaging way, also providing a wealth of sources at the same time…a very good article…but, and here is the big proviso on which I diverge from the author’s conclusion…that we must now begin to speculate on just exactly how this event was [presumably] engineered…and going even further out on a limb to try to nail down the secret party [or cabal] behind it all…

    Here’s why I disagree with this vector…first is the fact that there is no way at this point to do anything other than speculate…the classic WAG [wild ass guess]…I think that speculation even on the technical aspects of how the events may have been consciously orchestrated puts us behind the eight ball and gives ammunition to the ‘debunker’ camp…

    There is nothing there for us to work with…it’s that simple…even as to discussion of burning debris etc…that’s all gone now…it is impossible to prove anything now, even about the ‘how’…

    However…what we can do very effectively is to completely bury the official ‘hypothesis’ under a mountain of rigorous scientific analysis…involving a number of specific disciplines including not just the structural engineering aspects and the flight physics questions regarding the airplanes etc…but also areas like thermodynamics and heat transfer…since fire is fingered officially as the main culprit…

    Already the ‘truth’ movement is in the lead and gaining ground all the time…if sufficient public opinion, ie a vast majority, is convinced by reasoned arguments resting on sound science and common sense, then it will eventually become impossible to sweep it under the carpet any longer…the case would have to be reopened and there are many legal ways to force evidence that exists right now but is being withheld…

    A prime example of this is Flight 93…surely the most glaring bit of bullshit in the entire saga…an entire passenger jet swallowed whole by the earth, like Jonah in the stomach of the whale…

    Now the fact of the matter is that the government claims that they have in fact recovered 90 percent of that wreckage, but access to it is denied…as is access to any of the ‘recovered’ flight recorders of any of those airplanes…

    So culpatory evidence does exist…it is a matter of forcing the issue…and we can only advance towards that if we continue to build public support…and the only way to do that is by sound science…ie picking apart thoroughly every single bogus explanation in the NIST report…which is a technical document that CAN be debunked…

    We must stay away from navel gazing and WAGs…that is only giving ammunition to the so-called debunkers…and it must be noted that the debunker camp is a total joke…Popular Mechanics…?…not one of those clowns is qualified to assemble a cardboard box, never mind engage in a technical discussion at the expert level on questions of actual physics and mathematics…

    I have seen only a couple of the 911 ‘documentaries’ out there including ‘Loose Change’ which I found interesting, but nowhere near what I have subsequently found…’The New Pearl Harbor’…

    This is in my view the best film on the subject…featuring extensive and precise discussion of the many technical issues by means of interviews with credible experts…the storyline is based on a debate style narrative, pitting the ‘debunkers’ and laying out their positions and ‘answers’ to what the ‘truthers’ have brought out…and then posing reasonable ‘bottom line’ questions after each side has been given its arguments…it is up to the viewer to decide which side is more believable…

    An absolutely astounding piece of work by respected Italian filmmaker Massimo Mazucco…

    The film is nearly five hours long, but is certainly the most professional piece of documentary cinema on the subject…and also the most thorough and absolutely devastating to the ‘debunker’ narrative…a must see for anyone, whether interested in the subject or not…

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    Well, obviously, ObL managed to find some Muslim fighter pilots who also knew how to fly commercial jets and extract the most performance from them.
    , @Cloak And Dagger
    I agree with you. Thanks for the video.
    , @Erebus
    Good comment FB. I've said it 100x, the defence is never obliged to solve the prosecution's case in defending their client.

    OBL and his supposed minions were accused of an incredible crime. The public case against them is poorly fabricated rubbish, that anybody with a Gr. 8 education (at least the old-fashioned kind) could demolish in a heartbeat. Demolishing that case, however, does not oblige the defence (so-called "Truthers") to present a more viable version, much less the definitive one.

    Having been stopped in its tracks by the rolling guffaws coming from the gallery, the Prosecution normally withdraws its case. It knows better than to ask: "You got a better idea?" as not even the most naive Defence would fall for that ruse.

    Alas, in the wide world, things are different. Having watched all the evidence prove contrary to their beliefs, Believers don't hesitate to ask the question, and Truthers altogether too often succumb to attempting an answer. In doing so they step onto a slippery slope designed to divert attention from the evidential failure at hand to WAGs where anything goes.
    In other words, when Truthers unchain themselves from the facts they become "speculators" and "conspiracy theorists" and so expose themselves to attack as such.

    So, here we (still) are. The prosecution has been laughed out of court, but nobody knows what to do next. It's been sitting at that point for well over a decade. Maybe in the scheme of things, that's just a heartbeat as well. I suspect it is. Rome was neither built nor destroyed in a day.
    , @RudyM
    I agree: New Pearl Harbor is the best video I've seen on 9/11, although I haven't kept close watch on the subject in recent year.

    I also tend to agree with you that demolishing the official story is the way to proceed, although I'm not sure speculation is necessarily a trap (making us vulnerable to debunkers) if it's clearly labeled as speculation.
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  134. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra
    " The entire purpose of terrorism is to allow a small organization to show the world that it can inflict serious losses upon a powerful state "

    Nobody seems to realise that these serious losses nowhere ever were inflicted.
    I will not go into detail, with examples, but it is not very difficult to hit a complicated western society into, in any case, disruption for several days.
    3000 USA deaths, if my information is correct the USA has 30.000 traffic deaths each year.

    As to conspiracies, the denial of conspiracies, any serious history book is full of conspiracies.
    The Dutch Orange who succeeded in becoming king of England, a master conspirator.
    The Ribbentrop Molotov, conspiracy, the 1956 Israel, GB and French conspiracy against Egypt, the Liberty conspiracy, McNamara with Israel, the pre 1914 conspiracy between GB, France and the tsar, examples galore.
    C. V. Wedgwood, ´William the Silent, William of Nassau, Prince of Orange, 1533 – 1584’, London, 1945
    Mario Toscano, 'Designs in Diplomacy, Pages from European Diplomatic History in the Twentieth Century', 1970 Baltimore
    This last book, nothing but recorded conspiracies

    The whole American revolution was a conspiracy between wealthy American masons, the governments of France and Spain the Grand Duke of Hesse and the French armament ship building and military equipment industry.

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  135. bj says:
    @Peripatetic commenter
    What follows from that?

    Clearly, if Israel did it, they also know what Sabrosky said is true.

    That means Israel has to go all the way! It has to destroy America or be destroyed because sooner or later all Israel's attempts to keep the knowledge that they did it under cover will fail.

    Does that bring certain attempts at fomenting war between Russia and the US into focus now?

    Absolutely! Israel and its Zionist assets in the United States have to be dealt with or they will destroy us. Where is the trillion dollar military who take an oath to defend the United States of America from all enemies…foreign and domestic?

    It is 100% certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. ….And what Americans need to understand is they did it! And if they do understand it, Israel will flat ass disappear from this earth!

    Dr. Alan Sabrosky…former US War College Director

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  136. in 1992, neighboring East Palo Alto had America’s highest per capita murder rate, … But then over the next 25 years, a vast flood of Hispanic immigrants … swept into the region, and the city became overwhelmingly Latino and immigrant. Perhaps coincidentally, the homicide rate fell by some 99%

    61% black to 17% black in that time.

    City of East Palo Alto [bayareacensus.ca.gov]
    1970 Census … Negro [sic] 60.8%
    1980 Census … Black 61.1%
    1990 Census … Black 42.9%
    2000 Census … Black or African American 23.0%
    2010 Census … Black or African American 16.7%

    Palo Alto is home to the CEOs of Google, Facebook, Apple, and numerous other leading tech companies

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    Sad truth is blacks commit a staggering amount of crime, regardless of environment. I expect Hispanics, itself too broad a category, do commit more crime than whites but that it isn't as significant a difference.
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  137. Mike P says:
    @Anon
    I don’t think we can do anything at this point. All we can do is check the black box on applications and go underground. Whites have betrayed Whites. There will be no nationalist movement. Take care of yourself and your family. The military leadership is more anti White and liberal than most government agencies.

    50 year anniversary of the affirmative action act.

    I don’t think we can do anything at this point.

    Trying to wake up other people is still possible and worthwhile, even though that does not immediately change the world.

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    Exactly. The truth will set us free, eventually.
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  138. Rurik says:
    @c matt
    Rurik, I think you are misreading Wiz.

    Rurik, I think you are misreading Wiz.

    how so?

    this was his post:

    You don’t have to ask someone who believes Israel did it. You just have to start thinking it through from the questions 1. Why would Israel want to do it? and 2. How would they then plan it?

    Obviously they have to feed a plausible narrative and Al Qaeda and ObL are your conveniently Arab villains.

    if the wiz were a person of good faith, and was sincerely asking a fellow to investigate by asking ‘who benefits’, then perhaps he could be given the benefit of the doubt.

    But the wiz is not a person of good faith, but is rather a lying scoundrel, who uses every opportunity here at Unz to deflect from Israel’s serial crimes.

    So how exactly anyone could interpret his words differently, is quite beyond me.

    When the wiz asks..

    ‘Why would Israel want to do it? ‘

    what he’s suggesting is that there is a dearth of reasons, because the wiz always, without exception, shills for Zion. (I know, I’ve been mocking his dishonestly for years now ; )

    Just read the bullshit he spews. ‘There’s nothing untoward about the BBC or Fox News reporting on building seven’s controlled demolition before it happened. That kind of screw-up happens all the time in broadcasting.’

    Well, no it doesn’t. Advance knowledge of building seven’s collapse is PROOF that Osama and his nineteen Arabs didn’t do it, and that rather it was wired for a controlled demolition by agents in the West. (Lucky Larry and co.) Duh.

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    "the wiz always, without exception, shills for Zion. "
     
    But he sure loves to hide behind his Aussie crypto-jew mask. It is just another indication of how disgustingly perverted "down under" australia has become. It is almost as tragic as what the jews and luciferians have done to Canada. Both countries are lost to ZOG.

    We must recognize that the jew take over of the budding social media companies really started after 9/11 and the patriot act. The slow but steady rooting out of any platform for non kosher narrative to be discussed has slowly been eliminated across the planet.

    Has anyone else seen the new ZH commenting system? They now have limited replies and an "flag as offensive" button. It looks like ZH has been kiked. The question is how long will Ron Unz hold out?
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  139. Vendetta says:

    I personally do not find any of the arguments for a controlled demolition or that the planes didn’t really hit any of the buildings convincing. In fact I think they may be something of a red herring, much like the “inside job” narrative.

    The evidence for Israeli involvement in the attack, on the other hand, seems much more compelling, and much harder to refute.

    Suppose things did happen according to the official narrative – the planes were hijacked by Arab terrorists, they were crashed into the Towers and the Pentagon, the Towers went down due to damage from the plane strikes.

    The only difference is…Mossad was behind it. Mossad built a false jihadist network and recruited the nineteen hijackers, Mossad came up with the plan of attack and coached them on how to carry it out, Mossad set up a support network with its agents in the US to watch over them and try and keep them from falling into the hands of the US authorities before they launched their attack.

    This is what makes the most sense to me, and I believe this is the most promising path to pursue politically. The who is what’s important here, not the how.

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    I personally do not find any of the arguments for a controlled demolition or that the planes didn’t really hit any of the buildings convincing.
     
    this is all the argument anyone should need

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXrT6h2oepc

    Since they reported the building falling, before it fell, that means someone knew the building was going to collapse, (at free-fall speed right into its basement in neat little sections to be immediately shipped to China to be melted down).

    I'm sorry, but it would require massive efforts of cognitive dissonance to ignore all that.
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  140. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2
    It has been really sad to watch an obviously bright and well-accomplished man descend into abject lunacy.

    I've not seen it happen in real time before. I don't like it. I struggled to even open the article. Please at least chat with a professional - why not?

    You’re a chauvinist Israel Uber Alles Jew incapable of objective thought about Jews or Israel, just as Al Sharpton is incapable of objective thought about black crime .

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    And yet gentiles have called me anti-Semitic on many occasions. What evidence do you have for your claim against that?
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  141. Vojkan says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    My familiarity with 9/11 trutherism is bounded at Loose Change and a few articles discussing it.

    My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can't melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked. If it wasn't the Saudi knifemen who hijacked the planes, who was it? As far as I know hacking them is out of the question - all planes need to have manual overrides. Is Mossad capable of scraping together 19 Zionist fanatics hardcore enough to sacrifice themselves for the cause?

    The main unexplained suspicious factor is the unusual trading in the hours preceding 9/11. This would be consistent with certain people knowing about (or hearing rumors about) the impending events and keeping quiet about it, while making a buck on the side. Feasibly, that could been Mossad agents... and/or any number of other people.

    Oddly enough, I find myself agreeing with you. Not entirely, mostly. Let’s say Mossad had prior knowledge. Let’s say they did nothing about it. The ‘jet fuel can’t melt steel beams’ so discredits the conspiracists that I believe the conspirators themselves planted the argument.
    On the other hand, I’m not as sure that hacking can’t override the manual override.

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    Based on your comments you'd both be doing yourselves a huge favour by avoiding this topic entirely.
    , @CalDre

    The ‘jet fuel can’t melt steel beams’
     
    There are many types of steel, of various "hardness". Skyscraper steel is the most fire resistant - melts / softens at a very high temperature.

    There is another thing to note about steel - it is extremely heat conductive. Take a steel nail in one hand and put a flame on the other end. You will see the heat travels very quickly. It travels along all steel that is connected. WTCs each had thousands and thousands of tons of steel, to dissipate heat.

    The steel beams also had insulation - the asbestos you keep hearing about. Allegedly this was "blown off". There is no evidence of that whatsoever, pure speculation.

    There is another factor too: the fires were almost burned out at the time of the collapse. First, the kerosene was gone within a few minutes, at most (either poured out, or evaporated, or burned). So we had left an ordinary office fire for the next hour or so. The black smoke indicates it was oxygen starved - not burning very hot.

    Finally there have been countless fires in steel skyscrapers vastly more intense than the WTC ones - Madrid, Dubai, London, you can see vast infernos that burned for many many hours. In none of those buildings did any steel "melt", even though the entire building was on fire and there wasn't thousands of tons of cold steel for the heat to travel to.

    You simply have no knowledge of physics, engineering or construction.
    , @ploni almoni
    You are assuming Mossad had prior knowledge of what they were about to do. Isn't that a very big assumption? Or what are you assuming exactly? Are you assuming that something other than Mossad runs Mossad? Or are you assuming that Mossad is Arab Terrorism?
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  142. @FB
    Glad to see this article...

    Let us now suppose that the overwhelming weight of evidence is correct...We recognize the extreme implausibility that three huge skyscrapers in New York City suddenly collapsed at free-fall velocity into their own footprints after just two of them were hit by airplanes, and also that a large civilian jetliner probably did not strike the Pentagon leaving absolutely no wreckage and only a small hole.

    What actually did happen, and more importantly, who was behind it?
     
    Mr Unz then proceeds to start speculating on the WHODUNNIT part...

    Now, I'm glad to see that he has outlined his thoughts here in a quite readable and engaging way, also providing a wealth of sources at the same time...a very good article...but, and here is the big proviso on which I diverge from the author's conclusion...that we must now begin to speculate on just exactly how this event was [presumably] engineered...and going even further out on a limb to try to nail down the secret party [or cabal] behind it all...

    Here's why I disagree with this vector...first is the fact that there is no way at this point to do anything other than speculate...the classic WAG [wild ass guess]...I think that speculation even on the technical aspects of how the events may have been consciously orchestrated puts us behind the eight ball and gives ammunition to the 'debunker' camp...

    There is nothing there for us to work with...it's that simple...even as to discussion of burning debris etc...that's all gone now...it is impossible to prove anything now, even about the 'how'...

    However...what we can do very effectively is to completely bury the official 'hypothesis' under a mountain of rigorous scientific analysis...involving a number of specific disciplines including not just the structural engineering aspects and the flight physics questions regarding the airplanes etc...but also areas like thermodynamics and heat transfer...since fire is fingered officially as the main culprit...

    Already the 'truth' movement is in the lead and gaining ground all the time...if sufficient public opinion, ie a vast majority, is convinced by reasoned arguments resting on sound science and common sense, then it will eventually become impossible to sweep it under the carpet any longer...the case would have to be reopened and there are many legal ways to force evidence that exists right now but is being withheld...

    A prime example of this is Flight 93...surely the most glaring bit of bullshit in the entire saga...an entire passenger jet swallowed whole by the earth, like Jonah in the stomach of the whale...

    Now the fact of the matter is that the government claims that they have in fact recovered 90 percent of that wreckage, but access to it is denied...as is access to any of the 'recovered' flight recorders of any of those airplanes...

    So culpatory evidence does exist...it is a matter of forcing the issue...and we can only advance towards that if we continue to build public support...and the only way to do that is by sound science...ie picking apart thoroughly every single bogus explanation in the NIST report...which is a technical document that CAN be debunked...

    We must stay away from navel gazing and WAGs...that is only giving ammunition to the so-called debunkers...and it must be noted that the debunker camp is a total joke...Popular Mechanics...?...not one of those clowns is qualified to assemble a cardboard box, never mind engage in a technical discussion at the expert level on questions of actual physics and mathematics...

    I have seen only a couple of the 911 'documentaries' out there including 'Loose Change' which I found interesting, but nowhere near what I have subsequently found...'The New Pearl Harbor'...

    This is in my view the best film on the subject...featuring extensive and precise discussion of the many technical issues by means of interviews with credible experts...the storyline is based on a debate style narrative, pitting the 'debunkers' and laying out their positions and 'answers' to what the 'truthers' have brought out...and then posing reasonable 'bottom line' questions after each side has been given its arguments...it is up to the viewer to decide which side is more believable...

    An absolutely astounding piece of work by respected Italian filmmaker Massimo Mazucco...

    The film is nearly five hours long, but is certainly the most professional piece of documentary cinema on the subject...and also the most thorough and absolutely devastating to the 'debunker' narrative...a must see for anyone, whether interested in the subject or not...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgYNPaO1rNY

    Well, obviously, ObL managed to find some Muslim fighter pilots who also knew how to fly commercial jets and extract the most performance from them.

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  143. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hans
    The Brothers Kurzberg crew in their zeal "to document the event" did not fail to hold aloft a lit cigarette lighter (https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Paul_Kurzberg).

    "The five aroused attention in New Jersey after people noticed them going to unusual lengths to photograph the World Trade Center ruins and making light of the situation. One photograph developed by the F.B.I. showed Sivan Kurzberg holding a lighted lighter in the foreground, with the smoldering wreckage in the background, said Steven Noah Gordon, a lawyer for the five.

    As objectionable as their behavior may be, Mr. Gordon said of their long incarceration, ''It's not a crime and they were being treated as if it was.''
     

    Will the goyim ever be permitted to learn what the other photos contain?

    For the most comprehensive collection of taboo facts, see Israel did 9/11 - ALL THE PROOF IN THE WORLD - http://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=5367.0

    Juval "They Could Have Planted a Truck Bomb AS WE DID" Aviv slips up - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5EFzG7eVoc

    The cigarette lighter was probably a religious burnt offering symbol.

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  144. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Jeeze, what a tedious load of muddled thinking and arse-backward reasoning this article provides. So hopeless as to be pointless to make further comment.

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  145. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    I did not pose the question “Why would Israel want to do it?” in the way you portray those words from my comment.
     
    yes you did

    your suggestion being that a person interested in figuring out what happened on 9/11, and who might have been responsible, if they're concerned with the possibility that Israel had something to do with it, should first ask themselves...

    “Why would Israel want to do it?”

    your (presumed) suggestion (considering you're a shameless and contemptible shill for all things Zion ; ) being that one would find a dearth of motivations for Israel to perpetrate such a heinous, cowardly and treacherous crime.

    But we all know that Israel is more than willing to murder Americans in cowardly and treacherous crimes, don't we? Even committing acts of war and atrocities against the United States and its citizens, when they believe they will somehow benefit. Huh wiz?

    From the Balfour Declaration, to the second world war, to the USS Liberty, to 9/11 and Iran's 'nuclear weapons program', Israel is a lying, murderous, criminal pariah state. The central sponsor of terror in the Middle East, and a stain upon every decent human being who fails to condemn its serial atrocities and genocidal affronts to human decency.

    That they perpetrated 9/11 is glaringly obvious today. The only question now is how do the rest of us treat that fiend on the world's stage, now that we all know.

    Iran’s ‘nuclear weapons program’

    Fun fact: Netanyahu is a habitual, bold-faced liar:

    In his 1995 book, “Fighting Terrorism,” Netanyahu once again asserted that Iran would have a nuclear weapon in “three to five years,” apparently forgetting about the expiration of his old deadline.

    https://theintercept.com/2015/03/02/brief-history-netanyahu-crying-wolf-iranian-nuclear-bomb/

    Question: how many times did “the boy who cried ‘wolf’” lie to the villagers before they took him to the woods and disappeared his sorry ass (that’s the true story – “he was eaten by wolves” was an inside joke)?

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    fact: Netanyahu is a habitual, bold-faced liar:

    before they took him to the woods..
     
    What we all know, is that at the very least Netanyahu knew the slaughter of thousands of Americans was coming, and didn't warn us, and yet look at how all these sniveling, treasonous maggots applaud that sinister, murderous Jewish supremacist - with the blood of thousands of Americans on his hands.

    http://www.post-gazette.com/image/2015/03/03/ca19,10,3500,2285/Netanyahu-Congress-1.JPG
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  146. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst
    It's called "jewish lightnng"--destroying your own property for the insurance proceeds.
    On a much smaller scale, a successful chain of department stores in the Detroit area succumbed to "jewish lightning" one store at a time.
    The jewish owner of this business was so brazen that he actually took out television ads with himself holding a fireman's helmet, declaring that "we would have a fire sale this week, but we didn't have one"...

    Half the Bronx section of NYC was destroyed by Jewish lighting when the black tenants were organized into rent strikes by government funded Jewish tenants rights foundations.

    It was Jewish red diaper baby conspiring with the Jewish bourgeoisie. Both benefited. The bourgeoisie got out of the Bronx with plenty of money The Jewish red diaper baby tenants rights attorneys went on to run the government for the benefit of Jews and Israel

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  147. @Vojkan
    WTC 7 is destroyed from bottom to top, consistent with controlled demolition. On the other hand, what I see looking at the videos of the fall of the Twin Towers, in the visible parts, the South one collapses from impact to bottom, the top part isn't visible due to smoke and dust, afterwards the North one collapses from impact to top and from impact to bottom. That's one heck of an engineering feat for a controlled demolition imho.

    https://www.google.fr/search?as_q=tower+collapse+9%2F11+video&as_epq=&as_oq=north+south

    Such mass free falling to the ground is, again imho, not unlikely to provoke a mini earthquake, and send a shock wave shaking the foundations of WTC 7.

    I don't have enough knowledge to forge a definite opinion. I think that just as in the case of the assassination of JFK, we will all long be dead before the truth comes out. Just saying that how I see those buildings fall is not inconsistent with the official version.

    QUOTE Such mass free falling to the ground is, again imho, not unlikely to provoke a mini earthquake, and send a shock wave shaking the foundations of WTC 7. END QUOTE

    So why then was no such earthquake signatures recorded by NYC seismographs? It’s one of the major indicators that the buildings turned into dust in mid air. If the buildings “fell” they would have produced a signature somewhat akin to an earthquake.

    And yet they didn’t. Because the buildings and everything inside the buildings turned into dust.

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    So why then was no such earthquake signatures recorded by NYC seismographs?
     
    The collapses were recorded by seismographs as far away as upstate New York.

    And yet they didn’t. Because the buildings and everything inside the buildings turned into dust.
     
    Silly me, I forgot that dust has no mass.
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  148. sayless says:
    @nickels
    I hope these several great and lengthy articles of late come out in a book.
    They warrant a sit down with a paper copy, I think, for those of us electronically challenged.

    Agree that The American Pravda should be published as a book. I think the time for it to be influential is ripening, also.

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  149. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike P

    I don’t think we can do anything at this point.
     
    Trying to wake up other people is still possible and worthwhile, even though that does not immediately change the world.

    Exactly. The truth will set us free, eventually.

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  150. Wade says:
    @Proud_Srbin
    Rationalization for Kristallnacht of the 21 -st. century had to be way more spectacular than one by German Nazis.
    Sheeple were exposed and gotten used Spielberg's Star Wars FX.
    The coup succeeded beyond organizers wildest imagination.
    Majority of beings living in the USA, their colonies and countries under various neoliberal fascist regimes are kept obedient by instruments of mass indoctrination.
    Mr.Adolf and his partners are smiling from above or bellow.

    Can we please let Mr Adolf rest in his grave for once? Lenin/Trotsky/Stalin would’ve all been more suitable comparisons for what the zionists are doing to the US. For all the evil Hitler and the Nazi’s did, they did not represent a minority group subverting and attacking the majority group of their fellow countrymen. The Bolsheviks on the other hand were. Again, not defending Nazism but there is also a direct line of descent from Bolshevism to US Zionism which cannot be denied. You calumniate Hitler quite unnecessarily by bringing him into this when history has already provided a much better prototype for what has happened here.

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  151. Ron Unz says:

    I should probably further clarify a few points that I tried to make in my article…

    Until quite recently, I’d devoted very little time to investigating the 9/11 attacks, and hadn’t read a single book on the subject. Since 2001, I did occasionally read various articles here and there, but I doubt that totaled much more than just a few hours per year, say three or four weeks of total effort across 17 years. I’d certainly grown more and more suspicious as the years went by, for exactly the reasons I described. But until you’ve bothered actually reading a book on so important and complex topic, suspicions, however strong, are still merely suspicions.

    So I finally decided to spend the last couple of weeks intensively reading and researching the issues, with this article representing my conclusions. Unfortunately, I ran out of time before it was fully finished and polished, so for the first time ever, I think I’ll probably end up releasing a somewhat extended version within a couple of days once I’ve had a bit of a rest from my very long hours of the last two weeks.

    For these sorts of reasons, I’m absolutely sure that many, many of the commenters here are vastly more knowledgeable and informed about the 9/11 events than myself, and if their opinions conflict with my own, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they’re the ones who are correct.

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    Ron, you are greatly appreciated.

    Thank you.
    , @Genrick Yagoda
    Ron, thank you for your efforts, your website, and your towering intellect. If we survive, we owe truth-tellers like you a tremendous debt for helping to bring down the gangsters that run this world.
    , @jilles dykstra
    I've been reading about and discussing Sept 11 since the day itself.
    Already on the day itself USA airline controllers said that it was impossible that the Bush version was true, but their arguments at the time did not convince me.
    But about three years later I could no longer fool myself, the inescapable conclusion was that Sept 11 was made by USA.

    This led to the question, how could 'our saviour in WWII' have turned into a bunch of criminals ?
    The solution: Sept 11 indeed was the 'new Pearl Harbour', that PNAC of AEI demanded.

    The problem of course is that the Bush fairy tale debunked, we do not know precisely what actually happened.
    That the three buildings were demolished by explosives, the towers by thermite, for me hardly any doubt.

    But I still wonder if Sept 11 was a big failure, the four passenger planes not used, or was this planned ?
    In both cases, where are these planes now ?

    But, if it was a big failure, I must congratulate on the improvisation, and leading the general public down the garden path.

    How well orchestrated the show was I saw live on tv when the rubble was cleared to ground level, and huge quantities of still molten iron were discovered in the cellars.
    The tv pictures of this molten steel quickly disappeared.

    , @DESERT FOX
    Ron, please check the site of the scientist Judy Wood, it is drjudywood.com and her book Where Did the Towers Go and her videos on you tube, she provides evidence that the WTC buildings were taken down with direct energy weapons.

    Also google April Gallup as she was working on 911 at the pentagon and the explosion from preplanted charges blew a hole that she was able to walk out of and she said there was no plane, no missile, it was preplanted explosives and she is a survivor.

    It is my opinion that Israel and the Zionist controlled deep state did 911.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    No, please Ron, not just a couple of days. This isn't fading, like 50 Year old events into the realm of the merely surprising. It is seriously important and, with further careful analysis, despite the wilder commenters, your webzine could be very important. So....

    Please give us and the Western world the benefit of your scientific background - including your ability to select your graduate students (so to speak - full profs would be better) to help get the science and engineering right.

    That said, I acknowledge your top rated BS detector. High, sharp intellect, wide knowledge and a sceptical disposition go a long way, but, given that your readers all have some sort of BS detector that they think adequate, however misguidedly, it is your scientific thinking which could really make a difference.
    , @CanSpeccy

    For these sorts of reasons, I’m absolutely sure that many, many of the commenters here are vastly more knowledgeable and informed about the 9/11 events than myself, and if their opinions conflict with my own, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they’re the ones who are correct.
     
    No, Ron, it's not your ignorance of the facts, however ignorant you may be of the facts. It's an idiot-savant level of complete tone deafness about political reality. Either that, or you're attempting to develop a new line of cover for the perps, now that the damning facts about the mode of the WTC Buildings' collapse, the NORAD stand-down and much else have ceased to be controversial. Here's the money quote:

    The whole scenario of top American leaders being the masterminds behind 9/11 is beyond ridiculous, and those 9/11 Truthers who make or imply such claims—doing so without a single shred of solid evidence—have unfortunately played a major role in discrediting their entire movement. In fact, the common meaning of the “inside job” scenario is so patently absurd and self-defeating that one might even suspect that the claim was encouraged by those seeking to discredit the entire 9/11 Truth movement as a consequence.
     
    So we are to dismiss the idea that the President of the United States the Director of the CIA and sundry other people who direct the political, military and intelligence affairs of the United States actually know what the Hell is going on, and therefore, could have have had no advance knowledge of 9/11, notwithstanding that the US had been given multiple warnings of the impending attack by foreign intelligence services, and the fact that Bush, to his annoyance, had been briefed about what was likely coming down.

    I'm sorry, but your Review is either a propaganda operation, or a rather sad example of how high IQ and lots of cash mean damn all when it comes to understanding the human heart in all its deviousness, and especially the deviousness of those who have climbed to the very pinnacle of power.

    As for your claim that never in the history of mankind has any state murdered its own citizens for political purposes, so what, even if that claim were true? The disaster of mass democracy is new and the means to ensure that the masses obey the leaders rather than the leaders being compelled, against all reason, to obey the wishes of the masses will obviously be different from the means adopted by all other forms of government that have been tried throughout past ages.

    And, since WW2, the practice of government-instigated murder of innocent citizens of democratic countries under the guise of terrorism is not a novelty, but a well-established practice as anyone who has made a study of NATO's Operation Gladio, the Bologna rail bombing masssacre, etc. would know.

    , @ValmMond
    Ron, in case you've missed it, you may wish to read the 2016 article in the Europhysics News (owned by the European Physical Society) about September 11 and the physics of high-rise building collapses.
    https://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2016/04/epn2016474p21.pdf
    It's by far, the magazine's most read article.
    Spoiler alert: it was an inside job.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    We could all do with your considered opinion of the demolition issues. There seems to be nothing remotely professional on UR threads. Maybe a start could be made with what can be found by searching for Brent Blanchard implosionworld.com. He may not be a hands on demolition engineer; maybe more like a science journalist, but at least consideration of what he (and his attempted debunkers) has to say about demolition generally and 9/11 specifically would take us a long way ahead of the assertions and counter assertions of enthusiatic amateurs on these threads.

    One is
    https://undicisettembre.blogspot.com/2014/10/an-interview-with-explosive-expert.html?m=1

    and
    WTC COLLAPSE STUDY BBlanchard 8-8-06.pdf

    which can be found by Googling Brent Blanchard implosionworld.com

    and
    http://www.implosionworld.com/news.htm#3
    , @Anonymous

    So I finally decided to spend the last couple of weeks intensively reading and researching the issues, with this article representing my conclusions. Unfortunately, I ran out of time before it was fully finished
     
    Two weeks of intensive research wasn't enough? Actually that's pretty honest. Two weeks of research deemed 'intensive' by your standards would probably be equivalent to two months of research for an average person. Most people have nowhere near that amount of free time so it's no wonder they stay in the dark!
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  152. > I can think of no documented case in which the top political leadership of a country launched a major false-flag attack upon its own centers of power and finance and tried to kill large numbers of its own people.

    Smaller scale, but what about the 1999 Russian apartment bombings. False flag?

    Zhirinovsky even confronted the Duma speaker over alleged advance notice of the bombing in Volgodonsk.

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  153. Palo Alto is home to the CEOs of Google, Facebook, Apple, and numerous other leading tech companies

    That’s a good white flight city. Palo Alto is 6% Hispanic. The California Average is 38%. That gives it 1/6th the Hispanics per capita compared to the California average.

    You can open a map of the Bay Area and trace a path from San Jose to San Francisco and imagine a CEO looking for a place to locate his headquarters.

    I will list the cities he (or she or xe) will pass by riding the BART and list their Hispanic percentage:

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    1. San Jose, 33%
    2. Santa Clara, 19%
    3. Sunny Vale, 19%
    4. Mountain View, 46%
    5. [***] Palo Alto, 6% [***]
    6. East Palo Alto, 65%
    7. Menlo Park, 18%
    8. North Fair Oaks, 38%
    9. Redwood City, 39%
    10. San Carlos, 10%
    11. Belmont, 12%
    12. San Mateo, 27%
    13. Burlingame, 14%
    14. Millbrae, 12%
    15. San Bruno, 29%
    16. South San Francisco, 34%
    17. San Francisco, 15%

    Now lets cross the bridge and return to San Jose on the other side of the bay:

    18. Oakland, 25%
    19. San Leandro, 27%
    20. Hayward, 41%
    21. Union City, 23%
    22. Fremont, 15%
    23. Milipetas, 17%
    24. Los Gatos, 18%
    25. Campell, 18%
    1. San Jose, 33%

    A smart CEO would choose, out of 25 cities in the Bay Area, the one with the least Hispanic percentage.

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    Nice list, but BART stops at Millbrae on the Peninsula, so your putative CEO would have to be riding the imaginary BART from San Jose.

    https://www.bart.gov/sites/all/themes/bart_desktop/img/system-map.gif

    https://www.bart.gov/stations

    , @Anonymous
    Excellent point. Not to mention that those 6% are unlikely to be gangbangers.
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  154. schrub says:

    Some commenters here claim that it would have been impossible for Cheney and Rumsfeld to either not have known about 9-11 or not have been active participants.

    It might be outlandish to some say but it was entirely possible.

    Years ago I was watching TV (C-SPAN I believe ). The program was an interview with the very well respected historian Robert Dallek who had just written a very thorough history of the Nixon administration and Henry Kissinger.

    https://www.amazon.com/Nixon-Kissinger-Partners-Robert-Dallek/dp/0060722312

    During this interview, the very garrulous (and Jewish) Dallek blurted out something that maybe he later regretted. This definitely stuck in my mind at the time.

    He mentioned how during the Arab Israeli War of 1973, Israel was at one point on the verge of losing. Then, according to Dallek, something very interesting happened . Active military forces in Europe (and maybe even the USA) were commanded to surrender virtually all of their military tactical supplies (including aircraft) and transfer them to Israel even though this would haven then made them very vulnerable to a Soviet attack during the time that these supplies were missing.

    Who ordered the military to surrender all these tactial supplies to Israel? According to Dallek it was none other Henry Kissinger. Kissinger did this without even bothering to tell Nixon. Kissinger later claimed he sidesteppped Nixon because Nixon was “too drunk” because of Watergate to make a decision. Kissinger, according to Dallekand very tellingly also diverted these military supplies without bothering to tell Secretary of State William Rogers about his plans either, despite the fact that Rogers certainly wasn’t “drunk.”

    If Dallek’s claims are true this is a revealing episode because at the time Kissinger wasn’t even a cabinet member at the time , just a presidential advisor. How was an unelected advisor able to go around other cabinet members to put such a huge operation into effect. It was as if there was an entirely parallel government in Washington that allowed Kissinger to be able to impliment this plan apparently without any input from from either other exective department officials or from most of Congress.

    Who else exactly would have been involved to command these military forces to follow Kissinger’s directives to strip their installations of supplies and divert them to Israel. Did these people also tell the generals involved to command American pilots to fight on Israel’s side in their newly trasnsferred planes because Israel’s supply of pilots was already greatly depleted because of battle losses. Who exactly flew these newly acquired planes in this war?.

    What then was Watergate, the simple break-in that ended up removing a president? Did the disabling of an American president occur because Israel had gone to Nixon as far back as 1971 or 1972 (or possibly even earlier) after finding out from their very effective Mossad sources with intelligence contacts in the Arab governments that these Arab country was planning to attack Israel to get back the lands Israel had acquired in 1967.

    Did Nixon hesitate about promising to support Israel in its desire to retain these illegally obtained Arab lands it had acquired in its deliberatedly planned Six Day War in 1967? If Nixon had refused absolute fealty or even hesitated slightly about backing up Israel, Nixon would have then, in effect, signed his own death warrant and plans to take him out would have immediately commenced. These plans for the already hated Nixon’s elimination culminated in Watergate and did in fact end up saving Israel. (Cui bono) Had Kissinger originally been deliberately planted in the Nixon administration to facilitate this plan?

    Something that hasn’t ever been mentioned about an additional reason for this hatred of Nixon involves who exactly lost money when Nixon single handedly pulled the rug out from under international spectulators by ending the Bretton Woods Agreement in 1971. This agreement had previously allowed the convertibility of American dollars into gold. When Nixon ended convertibility some people ceretainly suffered large losses of money which they then directly blamed on Nixon.

    Something else: Who was Watergate’s “Deep Throat”? It could only have been none other than Henry Kissinger, the only member of Nixon’s close advisors who knew everything but was never was fully investigated and was never charged with a crime.

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    Watergate's "deep throat" was none other than Mark Felt, who was "next in line for the job of FBI director. When Nixon appointed L. Patrick Grey instead of Felt, the "game was on".
    , @Anon
    That was fairly common knowledge at the time. The internet is full of articles about American participation in Israel’s wars.

    Among other things, every single American tank in Europe was airlifted to Israel and of course never returned. You can still find in the internet comments by American soldier who’ve fought in Israel. Supposedly there are American bases in Israel.
    , @Anon
    Wonderful comment.

    I too wondered why liberals destroyed Nixon after he did everything they wanted with affirmative action section 8 endless programs for black grant hustler poverty pimp NGOs.

    I always thought it was use him and dump him and revenge for his exposure ofAmerican communism in the late 40s. I always thought Nixon went along with Kissinger and ordered the help to Israel. Watergate was minor in 73. It didn’t really get going until 1974. As far as I remember

    Deep Throat was Mark Felt a high ranking FBI officer angry he had not been appointed FBI chief.
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  155. With reason & poetry, FB wrote: “A prime example of this is Flight 93…surely the most glaring bit of bullshit in the entire saga…an entire passenger jet swallowed whole by the earth, like Jonah in the stomach of the whale…”
    Hey FB,
    … Prior to an InZitatus clog-entry here, have a question.
    … Satellite images of USA. Could such be available in US (NASA) archive that might display the Shanksville, Flight 93, incident?
    … Suppose such visual access is subject to citizen “Right to Know” law, but assume ZUS would classify its release.
    … An exculpatory, fig-leaf thanks!

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    Even weirder.

    10:45 a.m. September 11, 2001: Coroner Surprised by Lack of Human Remains at Flight 93 Crash Site

    Wallace Miller, the coroner of Somerset County, who is one of the first people to arrive at the Flight 93 crash scene, is surprised by the absence of human remains at the site. He will later say: “If you didn’t know, you would have thought no one was on the plane. You would have thought they dropped them off somewhere.” [Longman, 2002, pp. 217] The only recognizable body part Miller sees is a piece of spinal cord with five vertebrae attached.

    He will tell Australian newspaper The Age: “I’ve seen a lot of highway fatalities where there’s fragmentation. The interesting thing about this particular case is that I haven’t, to this day, 11 months later, seen any single drop of blood. Not a drop.” [Age (Melbourne), 9/9/2002]

    Dave Fox, a former firefighter, also arrives early at the crash scene, but sees just three chunks of human tissue. He will comment, “You knew there were people there, but you couldn’t see them.” [Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, 9/11/2002]

    Yet, in the following weeks, hundreds of searchers will find about 1,500 scorched human tissue samples, weighing less than 600 pounds—approximately eight percent of the total body mass on Flight 93. Months after 9/11, more remains will be found in a secluded cabin, several hundred yards from the crash site. [Washington Post, 5/12/2002

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  156. All anyone needs to know about 911 is that the buildings, and everything inside the buildings turned into dust. There is no natural force on earth that can cause this to happen. And I am not the one making the claim that the buildings turned to dust. That would be Detective Commander James Luongo, NYPD Fresh Kills Incident commander. Fresh Kills was were all the debris from 911 was sent to.

    You can watch some of the people that were there describe that the buildings and everything inside, including the people, disintegrated into dust.

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    The clean up crew expected to find chunks and pieces of various sizes. All they found was dust.
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  157. I read somewhere in the comments that ‘kerosine cannot melt steel’, has been debunked.
    How, I wonder, kerosine burns at some 1000° C, steel does not melt till over 1300°C.
    None of the kerosine cookers my grandmother, and also my mother, ever melted.
    Even my camping kerosine pressure cooker never melted.

    Then the Pennsylvania plane, did anyone see wreckage resembling Lockerby ?
    The coroner there explained the miracle by ‘atomisation’, a local correspondent wrote me.

    The Pentagon plane, an engine and a wheel was found where something hit the Pentagon.
    Passenger planes do not have engines in the middle, except a WWII Junckers.
    On top of that, any fool sees that a big plane would have caused far more windows to be demolished.

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    Ever since 911 I've been terrified to go camping. Since 911, I am now certain that if I light up my Coleman Campstove , tents 400 yards away from me will collapse and kill everyone inside.
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  158. @Ron Unz
    I should probably further clarify a few points that I tried to make in my article...

    Until quite recently, I'd devoted very little time to investigating the 9/11 attacks, and hadn't read a single book on the subject. Since 2001, I did occasionally read various articles here and there, but I doubt that totaled much more than just a few hours per year, say three or four weeks of total effort across 17 years. I'd certainly grown more and more suspicious as the years went by, for exactly the reasons I described. But until you've bothered actually reading a book on so important and complex topic, suspicions, however strong, are still merely suspicions.

    So I finally decided to spend the last couple of weeks intensively reading and researching the issues, with this article representing my conclusions. Unfortunately, I ran out of time before it was fully finished and polished, so for the first time ever, I think I'll probably end up releasing a somewhat extended version within a couple of days once I've had a bit of a rest from my very long hours of the last two weeks.

    For these sorts of reasons, I'm absolutely sure that many, many of the commenters here are vastly more knowledgeable and informed about the 9/11 events than myself, and if their opinions conflict with my own, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they're the ones who are correct.

    Ron, you are greatly appreciated.

    Thank you.

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  159. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    U238 TMD: Pure speculation, zero evidence. If lots of U238 really was released, it should be the easiest thing in the world to find. Why even bother with such an expensive material when lead or steel would have been fine?

    Built-in explosives: I don't buy it. The asbestos ruled out the explosives being used for a legal clean demolition job, and planning a false flag terrorist attack 30 years ahead is difficult to believe.

    tl;dr: Nice story, top marks for inventing it, but way too far out to be believed.

    Jews are long term planners. Aside from the explosives that may or may not have been installed when it was built just the incredible cheap construction and the asbestos spray and code violations lend credence to a Jewish lightening plan.

    The WTC, like a lot of 60s 70s buildings and stadiums were built in high crime areas with the idea of transforming the areas. It was easy to fill the givernment buildings. The workers and agencies had no choice. For instance, after the Rodney King riots dozens of local government agencies were quickly relocated to the Koreatown Wilshire area. The city knew no private business would move back in after the riots The government rents kept the neighborhood stable.

    The WTC was a real gamble for the owners. The owners gambled that enough private businesses would choose to move into a high crime area to make the building viable.

    What if private businesses didn’t move in. The owners would be left with a half 3/4 empty building and not enough rents to pay mortgage utilities expenses.

    So why not make sure Jewish lightening would strike a half empty building 1976 or so?

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    The WTC was not in a "high crime area", unless by " high crime area" you mean Wall Street, then you would be correct.
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  160. Please let me understand how the Israel-did-9/11 theory accomodates some known facts. I’ve read some of the 9/11 articles on this site and they don’t address obvious objections:

    1. Israel is not known to conduct false flag attacks that deliberately kill Israelis and Jews, in places full of Jews such as a New York City office tower with offices of Wall St firms (e.g., Canter and Siegel was wiped out). Why wouldn’t it target someplace that doesn’t have the highest concentration of Jews in the USA? The losses at WTC were potentially much higher than was actually the case, since the towers were hit relatively early in the morning. An hour later and there would be lots more dead Jews.

    2. Israel gets money from the Pentagon (red) and the US Congress. Why make those (or the White House, if that was the Flight 93 destination) the targets, and not blue agencies such as the State Department or CIA?

    3. Wall St is supposed to be highly Jewish, pro-Israel and another source of funding for Israeli/Zionist causes (e.g., AIPAC). Why attack it at the WTC?

    4. The USA is the big financial and military sponsor or even life-support for Israel. At a minimum, this would end if an Israeli 9/11 plot were uncovered, and at worst what happened to Saddam happens to the Israeli government. Why take this kind of existential risk, which would cost Israel much more than the benefit of a US Iraq war (that can anyway backfire against Israel in all sorts of ways, such as making Iran stronger)? What guarantee is there that none of the US intelligence agencies or non-government investigators would figure out who is responsible?

    The most potentially plausible version of an Israeli 9/11 plot would be Mossad secretly financing and training Al Qaeda. Is there any evidence of that?

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    Funny side note. The firm wiped out at WTC was Cantor Fitzgerald, not "Canter and Siegel" which was the (presumably Jewish) husband-and-wife law firm that pioneered Internet spam.
    , @Anonymous

    4. The USA is the big financial and military sponsor or even life-support for Israel. At a minimum, this would end if an Israeli 9/11 plot were uncovered

     

    No it wouldn't, because people's reaction would be to deny the revelations and assert that it can't be true because the USA is the big financial and military sponsor or even life-support for Israel and, at a minimum, this would end if an Israeli 9/11 plot were uncovered.
    , @Rick Sanchez

    "The most potentially plausible version of an Israeli 9/11 plot would be Mossad secretly financing and training Al Qaeda. Is there any evidence of that?"
     
    I would have to agree with this. For a number of reasons, the prime one being it is the easiest to pull off and cover up. Their could have been on site help provided to make sure everything went smoothly. Perhaps demolitions charges were triggered to help bring the towers down in their own footprint. I find it plausible these charges were installed when the towers were built. Their purpose being to bring the towers down in their own footprint in case the tower's were ever compromised. This may not even be a part of any conspiracy and was just a tough decision somebody had to make in order to prevent greater harm. I imagine such a thing would never been made public, because of the fallout for the person and anyone involved. Then again, it could've been part of the plot and CIA/FBI/Mossad agents planted and ignited the charges to insure that the towers really did collapse.

    As for why everything was turned to dust as others have mentioned. An enormous amount of potential energy was released when those towers collapsed and that debris hit the ground. The fact that the majority of it was turned to dust is not all that surprising.

    On jet fuel, its important to note that while kerosene can burn at 1000 degrees and steel beams melt at 1300 degrees. The beams would still be weakened. I don't know if this would be enough to cause a collapse. For one, you would have to know the exact weight the beams were supporting and two, what temperature they were heated to. Just because the kerosene was burning at 1000 degrees does not mean that the beams were heated to that temperature, because a lot of thermal energy could, and likely die, escape into the atmosphere instead of being transferred directly to the beams. The towers were not an oven or furnace. At least, they weren't designed as such. A model would have to built and experiments run to attempt to figure out what the loads on the beams were and what temperature they actually reached. Then you might be able to establish whether they would've held or not. A scale model would be quite insightful as would a virtual model for use in something akin to solid works.
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  161. Olorin says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    My familiarity with 9/11 trutherism is bounded at Loose Change and a few articles discussing it.

    My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can't melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked. If it wasn't the Saudi knifemen who hijacked the planes, who was it? As far as I know hacking them is out of the question - all planes need to have manual overrides. Is Mossad capable of scraping together 19 Zionist fanatics hardcore enough to sacrifice themselves for the cause?

    The main unexplained suspicious factor is the unusual trading in the hours preceding 9/11. This would be consistent with certain people knowing about (or hearing rumors about) the impending events and keeping quiet about it, while making a buck on the side. Feasibly, that could been Mossad agents... and/or any number of other people.

    When you spend a long life studying human narratives/storytelling, and observing the psychological (which is to say biological) tendencies these are designed to exploit, certain things start glowing around the edges.

    For me one big example of this was, as you put it:

    19 Zionist fanatics hardcore enough to sacrifice themselves for the cause

    And boy, did you put it well to make my point.

    Mr. Karlin, my mind reads that line in the “movie trailer guy” voice. Replace Zionist with Islamic. Hell, plug in Sisters of Mercy or Girl Scout or Roller Derby or Birdwatching or Railfan or Ham Radio.

    How did that line get in your head? To my eye it appears rather like a mnemotechnic shaped charge.

    My immediate instincts watching television that day were two:

    1) Those buildings are being demolished.

    and

    2) The “emerging facts” of the story as they were fed by “government” experts/agencies/PR flacks to MSM outlets were mythically pre-lathed. Going back and viewing real time broadcast streams underscored this for me–watching the morphing of reportage, from reporters passing along actual observed facts on the street or in the newsroom to the Official Version. Which soon became the only allowable one.

    As for the trading in the days (not hours) preceding the attacks, the point isn’t that it was unusual. Unusual trading happens all the time. I recall a quant analysis showing that the patterns of puts on American Airlines and United were way outside normal distributions of “unusual options activity.” Only one near the tip of my tongue is UIUC prof Allan Poteshman’s piece in the Journal of Business, maybe 10 years ago now. As I recall he ran a quantile regression model of the data and showed that if you removed American and United from the set of both airline stocks and S&P and NASDAQ index stocks, they, and only they, showed highly unusual activity in the prior day or two.

    There were other studies as well, but that’s the one that sticks because it was the “holy s–t” moment for me. Also IIRC he got plucked from being a college professor to being a quant for some big financial house, presumably in a security-analysis capacity.

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  162. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anon
    You’re a chauvinist Israel Uber Alles Jew incapable of objective thought about Jews or Israel, just as Al Sharpton is incapable of objective thought about black crime .

    And yet gentiles have called me anti-Semitic on many occasions. What evidence do you have for your claim against that?

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  163. @Ron Unz
    I should probably further clarify a few points that I tried to make in my article...

    Until quite recently, I'd devoted very little time to investigating the 9/11 attacks, and hadn't read a single book on the subject. Since 2001, I did occasionally read various articles here and there, but I doubt that totaled much more than just a few hours per year, say three or four weeks of total effort across 17 years. I'd certainly grown more and more suspicious as the years went by, for exactly the reasons I described. But until you've bothered actually reading a book on so important and complex topic, suspicions, however strong, are still merely suspicions.

    So I finally decided to spend the last couple of weeks intensively reading and researching the issues, with this article representing my conclusions. Unfortunately, I ran out of time before it was fully finished and polished, so for the first time ever, I think I'll probably end up releasing a somewhat extended version within a couple of days once I've had a bit of a rest from my very long hours of the last two weeks.

    For these sorts of reasons, I'm absolutely sure that many, many of the commenters here are vastly more knowledgeable and informed about the 9/11 events than myself, and if their opinions conflict with my own, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they're the ones who are correct.

    Ron, thank you for your efforts, your website, and your towering intellect. If we survive, we owe truth-tellers like you a tremendous debt for helping to bring down the gangsters that run this world.

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  164. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    My familiarity with 9/11 trutherism is bounded at Loose Change and a few articles discussing it.

    My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can't melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked. If it wasn't the Saudi knifemen who hijacked the planes, who was it? As far as I know hacking them is out of the question - all planes need to have manual overrides. Is Mossad capable of scraping together 19 Zionist fanatics hardcore enough to sacrifice themselves for the cause?

    The main unexplained suspicious factor is the unusual trading in the hours preceding 9/11. This would be consistent with certain people knowing about (or hearing rumors about) the impending events and keeping quiet about it, while making a buck on the side. Feasibly, that could been Mossad agents... and/or any number of other people.

    I forgot about Mayor Willie Brown of San Francisco. He was due to fly somewhere that day. His office got a call the night before warning him not to fly 9/11.

    8/am EST is 5/am PST so CA airports were closed before most flights started that day.

    Brown publicized the warning call pretty well.

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  165. FB says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    My familiarity with 9/11 trutherism is bounded at Loose Change and a few articles discussing it.

    My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can't melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked. If it wasn't the Saudi knifemen who hijacked the planes, who was it? As far as I know hacking them is out of the question - all planes need to have manual overrides. Is Mossad capable of scraping together 19 Zionist fanatics hardcore enough to sacrifice themselves for the cause?

    The main unexplained suspicious factor is the unusual trading in the hours preceding 9/11. This would be consistent with certain people knowing about (or hearing rumors about) the impending events and keeping quiet about it, while making a buck on the side. Feasibly, that could been Mossad agents... and/or any number of other people.

    ‘My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can’t melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked.’

    What a shnork…

    Very curious to hear about any particular technical ‘debunkings’ you have experienced…eg flight physics…thermodynamics and metallurgy…’missing’ aircraft engines etc…

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  166. @Hippopotamusdrome


    Palo Alto is home to the CEOs of Google, Facebook, Apple, and numerous other leading tech companies

     

    That's a good white flight city. Palo Alto is 6% Hispanic. The California Average is 38%. That gives it 1/6th the Hispanics per capita compared to the California average.

    You can open a map of the Bay Area and trace a path from San Jose to San Francisco and imagine a CEO looking for a place to locate his headquarters.

    I will list the cities he (or she or xe) will pass by riding the BART and list their Hispanic percentage:

    1. San Jose, 33%
    2. Santa Clara, 19%
    3. Sunny Vale, 19%
    4. Mountain View, 46%
    5. [***] Palo Alto, 6% [***]
    6. East Palo Alto, 65%
    7. Menlo Park, 18%
    8. North Fair Oaks, 38%
    9. Redwood City, 39%
    10. San Carlos, 10%
    11. Belmont, 12%
    12. San Mateo, 27%
    13. Burlingame, 14%
    14. Millbrae, 12%
    15. San Bruno, 29%
    16. South San Francisco, 34%
    17. San Francisco, 15%

    Now lets cross the bridge and return to San Jose on the other side of the bay:

    18. Oakland, 25%
    19. San Leandro, 27%
    20. Hayward, 41%
    21. Union City, 23%
    22. Fremont, 15%
    23. Milipetas, 17%
    24. Los Gatos, 18%
    25. Campell, 18%
    1. San Jose, 33%

    A smart CEO would choose, out of 25 cities in the Bay Area, the one with the least Hispanic percentage.

    Nice list, but BART stops at Millbrae on the Peninsula, so your putative CEO would have to be riding the imaginary BART from San Jose.

    https://www.bart.gov/stations

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  167. @Ron Unz
    I should probably further clarify a few points that I tried to make in my article...

    Until quite recently, I'd devoted very little time to investigating the 9/11 attacks, and hadn't read a single book on the subject. Since 2001, I did occasionally read various articles here and there, but I doubt that totaled much more than just a few hours per year, say three or four weeks of total effort across 17 years. I'd certainly grown more and more suspicious as the years went by, for exactly the reasons I described. But until you've bothered actually reading a book on so important and complex topic, suspicions, however strong, are still merely suspicions.

    So I finally decided to spend the last couple of weeks intensively reading and researching the issues, with this article representing my conclusions. Unfortunately, I ran out of time before it was fully finished and polished, so for the first time ever, I think I'll probably end up releasing a somewhat extended version within a couple of days once I've had a bit of a rest from my very long hours of the last two weeks.

    For these sorts of reasons, I'm absolutely sure that many, many of the commenters here are vastly more knowledgeable and informed about the 9/11 events than myself, and if their opinions conflict with my own, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they're the ones who are correct.

    I’ve been reading about and discussing Sept 11 since the day itself.
    Already on the day itself USA airline controllers said that it was impossible that the Bush version was true, but their arguments at the time did not convince me.
    But about three years later I could no longer fool myself, the inescapable conclusion was that Sept 11 was made by USA.

    This led to the question, how could ‘our saviour in WWII’ have turned into a bunch of criminals ?
    The solution: Sept 11 indeed was the ‘new Pearl Harbour’, that PNAC of AEI demanded.

    The problem of course is that the Bush fairy tale debunked, we do not know precisely what actually happened.
    That the three buildings were demolished by explosives, the towers by thermite, for me hardly any doubt.

    But I still wonder if Sept 11 was a big failure, the four passenger planes not used, or was this planned ?
    In both cases, where are these planes now ?

    But, if it was a big failure, I must congratulate on the improvisation, and leading the general public down the garden path.

    How well orchestrated the show was I saw live on tv when the rubble was cleared to ground level, and huge quantities of still molten iron were discovered in the cellars.
    The tv pictures of this molten steel quickly disappeared.

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  168. @FB
    Glad to see this article...

    Let us now suppose that the overwhelming weight of evidence is correct...We recognize the extreme implausibility that three huge skyscrapers in New York City suddenly collapsed at free-fall velocity into their own footprints after just two of them were hit by airplanes, and also that a large civilian jetliner probably did not strike the Pentagon leaving absolutely no wreckage and only a small hole.

    What actually did happen, and more importantly, who was behind it?
     
    Mr Unz then proceeds to start speculating on the WHODUNNIT part...

    Now, I'm glad to see that he has outlined his thoughts here in a quite readable and engaging way, also providing a wealth of sources at the same time...a very good article...but, and here is the big proviso on which I diverge from the author's conclusion...that we must now begin to speculate on just exactly how this event was [presumably] engineered...and going even further out on a limb to try to nail down the secret party [or cabal] behind it all...

    Here's why I disagree with this vector...first is the fact that there is no way at this point to do anything other than speculate...the classic WAG [wild ass guess]...I think that speculation even on the technical aspects of how the events may have been consciously orchestrated puts us behind the eight ball and gives ammunition to the 'debunker' camp...

    There is nothing there for us to work with...it's that simple...even as to discussion of burning debris etc...that's all gone now...it is impossible to prove anything now, even about the 'how'...

    However...what we can do very effectively is to completely bury the official 'hypothesis' under a mountain of rigorous scientific analysis...involving a number of specific disciplines including not just the structural engineering aspects and the flight physics questions regarding the airplanes etc...but also areas like thermodynamics and heat transfer...since fire is fingered officially as the main culprit...

    Already the 'truth' movement is in the lead and gaining ground all the time...if sufficient public opinion, ie a vast majority, is convinced by reasoned arguments resting on sound science and common sense, then it will eventually become impossible to sweep it under the carpet any longer...the case would have to be reopened and there are many legal ways to force evidence that exists right now but is being withheld...

    A prime example of this is Flight 93...surely the most glaring bit of bullshit in the entire saga...an entire passenger jet swallowed whole by the earth, like Jonah in the stomach of the whale...

    Now the fact of the matter is that the government claims that they have in fact recovered 90 percent of that wreckage, but access to it is denied...as is access to any of the 'recovered' flight recorders of any of those airplanes...

    So culpatory evidence does exist...it is a matter of forcing the issue...and we can only advance towards that if we continue to build public support...and the only way to do that is by sound science...ie picking apart thoroughly every single bogus explanation in the NIST report...which is a technical document that CAN be debunked...

    We must stay away from navel gazing and WAGs...that is only giving ammunition to the so-called debunkers...and it must be noted that the debunker camp is a total joke...Popular Mechanics...?...not one of those clowns is qualified to assemble a cardboard box, never mind engage in a technical discussion at the expert level on questions of actual physics and mathematics...

    I have seen only a couple of the 911 'documentaries' out there including 'Loose Change' which I found interesting, but nowhere near what I have subsequently found...'The New Pearl Harbor'...

    This is in my view the best film on the subject...featuring extensive and precise discussion of the many technical issues by means of interviews with credible experts...the storyline is based on a debate style narrative, pitting the 'debunkers' and laying out their positions and 'answers' to what the 'truthers' have brought out...and then posing reasonable 'bottom line' questions after each side has been given its arguments...it is up to the viewer to decide which side is more believable...

    An absolutely astounding piece of work by respected Italian filmmaker Massimo Mazucco...

    The film is nearly five hours long, but is certainly the most professional piece of documentary cinema on the subject...and also the most thorough and absolutely devastating to the 'debunker' narrative...a must see for anyone, whether interested in the subject or not...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgYNPaO1rNY

    I agree with you. Thanks for the video.

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  169. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome


    Palo Alto is home to the CEOs of Google, Facebook, Apple, and numerous other leading tech companies

     

    That's a good white flight city. Palo Alto is 6% Hispanic. The California Average is 38%. That gives it 1/6th the Hispanics per capita compared to the California average.

    You can open a map of the Bay Area and trace a path from San Jose to San Francisco and imagine a CEO looking for a place to locate his headquarters.

    I will list the cities he (or she or xe) will pass by riding the BART and list their Hispanic percentage:

    1. San Jose, 33%
    2. Santa Clara, 19%
    3. Sunny Vale, 19%
    4. Mountain View, 46%
    5. [***] Palo Alto, 6% [***]
    6. East Palo Alto, 65%
    7. Menlo Park, 18%
    8. North Fair Oaks, 38%
    9. Redwood City, 39%
    10. San Carlos, 10%
    11. Belmont, 12%
    12. San Mateo, 27%
    13. Burlingame, 14%
    14. Millbrae, 12%
    15. San Bruno, 29%
    16. South San Francisco, 34%
    17. San Francisco, 15%

    Now lets cross the bridge and return to San Jose on the other side of the bay:

    18. Oakland, 25%
    19. San Leandro, 27%
    20. Hayward, 41%
    21. Union City, 23%
    22. Fremont, 15%
    23. Milipetas, 17%
    24. Los Gatos, 18%
    25. Campell, 18%
    1. San Jose, 33%

    A smart CEO would choose, out of 25 cities in the Bay Area, the one with the least Hispanic percentage.

    Excellent point. Not to mention that those 6% are unlikely to be gangbangers.

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  170. anarchyst says:
    @schrub
    Some commenters here claim that it would have been impossible for Cheney and Rumsfeld to either not have known about 9-11 or not have been active participants.

    It might be outlandish to some say but it was entirely possible.

    Years ago I was watching TV (C-SPAN I believe ). The program was an interview with the very well respected historian Robert Dallek who had just written a very thorough history of the Nixon administration and Henry Kissinger.

    https://www.amazon.com/Nixon-Kissinger-Partners-Robert-Dallek/dp/0060722312

    During this interview, the very garrulous (and Jewish) Dallek blurted out something that maybe he later regretted. This definitely stuck in my mind at the time.

    He mentioned how during the Arab Israeli War of 1973, Israel was at one point on the verge of losing. Then, according to Dallek, something very interesting happened . Active military forces in Europe (and maybe even the USA) were commanded to surrender virtually all of their military tactical supplies (including aircraft) and transfer them to Israel even though this would haven then made them very vulnerable to a Soviet attack during the time that these supplies were missing.

    Who ordered the military to surrender all these tactial supplies to Israel? According to Dallek it was none other Henry Kissinger. Kissinger did this without even bothering to tell Nixon. Kissinger later claimed he sidesteppped Nixon because Nixon was "too drunk" because of Watergate to make a decision. Kissinger, according to Dallekand very tellingly also diverted these military supplies without bothering to tell Secretary of State William Rogers about his plans either, despite the fact that Rogers certainly wasn't "drunk."

    If Dallek's claims are true this is a revealing episode because at the time Kissinger wasn't even a cabinet member at the time , just a presidential advisor. How was an unelected advisor able to go around other cabinet members to put such a huge operation into effect. It was as if there was an entirely parallel government in Washington that allowed Kissinger to be able to impliment this plan apparently without any input from from either other exective department officials or from most of Congress.

    Who else exactly would have been involved to command these military forces to follow Kissinger's directives to strip their installations of supplies and divert them to Israel. Did these people also tell the generals involved to command American pilots to fight on Israel's side in their newly trasnsferred planes because Israel's supply of pilots was already greatly depleted because of battle losses. Who exactly flew these newly acquired planes in this war?.

    What then was Watergate, the simple break-in that ended up removing a president? Did the disabling of an American president occur because Israel had gone to Nixon as far back as 1971 or 1972 (or possibly even earlier) after finding out from their very effective Mossad sources with intelligence contacts in the Arab governments that these Arab country was planning to attack Israel to get back the lands Israel had acquired in 1967.

    Did Nixon hesitate about promising to support Israel in its desire to retain these illegally obtained Arab lands it had acquired in its deliberatedly planned Six Day War in 1967? If Nixon had refused absolute fealty or even hesitated slightly about backing up Israel, Nixon would have then, in effect, signed his own death warrant and plans to take him out would have immediately commenced. These plans for the already hated Nixon's elimination culminated in Watergate and did in fact end up saving Israel. (Cui bono) Had Kissinger originally been deliberately planted in the Nixon administration to facilitate this plan?

    Something that hasn't ever been mentioned about an additional reason for this hatred of Nixon involves who exactly lost money when Nixon single handedly pulled the rug out from under international spectulators by ending the Bretton Woods Agreement in 1971. This agreement had previously allowed the convertibility of American dollars into gold. When Nixon ended convertibility some people ceretainly suffered large losses of money which they then directly blamed on Nixon.

    Something else: Who was Watergate's "Deep Throat"? It could only have been none other than Henry Kissinger, the only member of Nixon's close advisors who knew everything but was never was fully investigated and was never charged with a crime.

    Watergate’s “deep throat” was none other than Mark Felt, who was “next in line for the job of FBI director. When Nixon appointed L. Patrick Grey instead of Felt, the “game was on”.

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    The idea that Mark Felt was "Deep Throat" was simply put out to divert attention.

    By the time that Felt's name was finally revealed, he was already in the later stages of severe old age dementia so he was incapable of either supporting or denying such a claim.

    Convenient huh!
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  171. @jilles dykstra
    I read somewhere in the comments that 'kerosine cannot melt steel', has been debunked.
    How, I wonder, kerosine burns at some 1000° C, steel does not melt till over 1300°C.
    None of the kerosine cookers my grandmother, and also my mother, ever melted.
    Even my camping kerosine pressure cooker never melted.

    Then the Pennsylvania plane, did anyone see wreckage resembling Lockerby ?
    The coroner there explained the miracle by 'atomisation', a local correspondent wrote me.

    The Pentagon plane, an engine and a wheel was found where something hit the Pentagon.
    Passenger planes do not have engines in the middle, except a WWII Junckers.
    On top of that, any fool sees that a big plane would have caused far more windows to be demolished.

    Ever since 911 I’ve been terrified to go camping. Since 911, I am now certain that if I light up my Coleman Campstove , tents 400 yards away from me will collapse and kill everyone inside.

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  172. tomv says:

    I’ve only skimmed the article so far, but this paragraph jumps out at me.

    I eventually shared that account of the French minister’s private opinions with a very well-connected American individual, someone in our elite Establishment with whom I’d become a little friendly. His reaction made it clear that he held the same highly unorthodox views about the 9/11 attacks, although he had never publicly voiced them lest he risk losing his elite Establishment membership card.

    Aren’t the “well-connected” and “elite Establishment” designations, which are supposed to bolster this individual’s credibility, nullified by the last clause, which indicates that he holds his views not because of his position but in spite of it? His well-connectedness is probative here only insofar as it allows him access to information supporting the conspiracy theory that is unavailable to the public. Without that, he is no different Ron Unz or any man on the street on this question. Perhaps he just has a taste for conspiracy theories. The same could be said about the French defense minister.

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    Aren’t the “well-connected” and “elite Establishment” designations, which are supposed to bolster this individual’s credibility, nullified by the last clause, which indicates that he holds his views not because of his position but in spite of it?
     
    Nope. How difficult is to accept that a member of the "elite" might have witnessed, overheard or dug up the truth due to their position in the pyramid?
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  173. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @redmudhooch
    Even Don knew explosives were used.....too bad he is subservient to the perps.

    Donald Trump Calls Into WWOR/UPN 9 News on 9/11 Bombs used

    https://youtu.be/PcKlPhFIE7w


    The Notorious Banned FOX 9 11 2001 News Footage Israeli Mossad Links

    https://youtu.be/f06k5BrF9mY

    Being in construction, the Donald would know. My families in construction. Recently worked on the SF Salesforce Tower bedded in granite, not landfill.

    I remember articles about how the cheap construction of the WTC wouldn’t be harmful in the construction trade magazines. It was praised as wonderful innovation to save money but build a solid safe functional building It was a big deal at the time.

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  174. Wade says:
    @jb
    The conspiracy theories about 9/11 started flying within days after the attacks. There was no careful analysis, just instant gut excitement over the prospect of exposing a vast network of evil that the theorists always knew had to exist.

    Many of the initial arguments were blatantly idiotic, but over the years the worst arguments have been discarded and the remaining arguments refined and elaborated in a sort of Darwinian process that has increased the fitness of the theory, making it more and more plausible sounding and difficult to refute. All theologies go through this process -- our libraries are full of books of Christian or Communist apologetics which, if you were to make the mistake of taking them seriously, would take a lifetime to fully unravel. But the goal is never truth; the goal is always to confound the unbelievers, and prove that the believers were right all along.

    The Truthers knew instantly and intuitively that 9/11 had to be a conspiracy, but it's taken them years to decide exactly what the conspiracy was going to be, and to craft a narrative sophisticated enough to suck in someone like Ron. I am so, so sorry that Ron has made the mistake of taking this seriously. It's going to be bad for his reputation, bad for the site, and bad for everyone associated with the site.

    This admittedly is the one of the oldest and most effective techniques to silence anyone. Threaten them with their reputation and social status if they keep at a particular topic.

    I don’t think this is going to fly anymore regarding Israel. Too many people are angry about the control Israel exerts over the USA. By the early 1990′s 75% of Americans no longer believed in the lone gunman theory of the JFK assassination. Despite plenty of reasons to at least consider Israel as a suspect for the crime and to further investigate it, these leads were censored by the main media organs of the US and especially by Hollywood.

    As of last year, 51% of US residents don’t believe the government’s official 911 story. Thanks to the internet and all of it’s visual footage of eyewitness testimony to the events of 911, something the JFK episode lacked, there will over the next couple of years be a quick conflagration of the government’s cover story in the eyes of the public. People will want an explanation and as Ron has convincingly argued the “Israel Did It” theme will overwhelm all other possibilities due to it’s relative plausibility: The mental picture of the government spending vast amounts of resources trying to find the other Muslim conspirators yet coming up empty handed all the while hundreds of Mossad agents were being arrested, some with bombs in their vans, and being quietly escorted back to Israel, all courtesy of the dual Israeli citizens at the helm, speaks a thousand words.

    The media cannot contain this.

    The Israelis have really overplayed their hand this time. Even assuming they did not do 911, they really should have turned the hijackers in to the authorities and helped to prevent the disaster so that future administrations could tout this as an example of the importance of continued cooperation with Israel and its raison d’être. Instead, Israel will forever be suspected as the culprits.

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    Wade said: "The media cannot contain this."
    ...Agreed, Wade!
    ... But the talented Jewish Corporate Media could control and "spin" new & improved lies that will serve to diminish old & worn-out lies.
    ... Thanks!
    , @jb
    You put your reputation on the line every time you open your mouth. If you think this is unfair, and the world should be different, you can write out a formal complaint and mail it to [email protected]
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  175. Rurik says:
    @Vendetta
    I personally do not find any of the arguments for a controlled demolition or that the planes didn’t really hit any of the buildings convincing. In fact I think they may be something of a red herring, much like the “inside job” narrative.

    The evidence for Israeli involvement in the attack, on the other hand, seems much more compelling, and much harder to refute.

    Suppose things did happen according to the official narrative - the planes were hijacked by Arab terrorists, they were crashed into the Towers and the Pentagon, the Towers went down due to damage from the plane strikes.

    The only difference is...Mossad was behind it. Mossad built a false jihadist network and recruited the nineteen hijackers, Mossad came up with the plan of attack and coached them on how to carry it out, Mossad set up a support network with its agents in the US to watch over them and try and keep them from falling into the hands of the US authorities before they launched their attack.

    This is what makes the most sense to me, and I believe this is the most promising path to pursue politically. The who is what’s important here, not the how.

    I personally do not find any of the arguments for a controlled demolition or that the planes didn’t really hit any of the buildings convincing.

    this is all the argument anyone should need

    Since they reported the building falling, before it fell, that means someone knew the building was going to collapse, (at free-fall speed right into its basement in neat little sections to be immediately shipped to China to be melted down).

    I’m sorry, but it would require massive efforts of cognitive dissonance to ignore all that.

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    https://youtu.be/ALiMI7zrugE
    , @lavoisier

    I’m sorry, but it would require massive efforts of cognitive dissonance to ignore all that.
     
    Or a psychopathic dishonesty and the ability to make excuses for mass murderers.
    , @skrik
    Thnx; a true potential 'blockbuster!' Not 'just' for the flash-bangs; it shows WTC7 from the 'other' side to most shots, i.e. the side facing the twin towers - and shows *no* damage from twin-tower ejecta. Wow!
    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/06/article-2097220-119C8FED000005DC-403_468x312.jpg
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  176. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2
    Can anyone who believes Israel did it explain why they didn't frame the Palestinians?

    They framed other Arab and Muslim nations specifically Saudi Arabians Iraq and Afghanistan.

    They probably didn’t frame Palestinians because most of the world sympathizes with the Palestinians and wouldn’t believe it. So they framed other Muslim nations.

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    No - it was just Afghanistan. You're making no sense.
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  177. When it comes to the more radical conspiracy theories, I remain unconvinced — although I have to admit that as presented, the collapse of Building Seven is mystifying.

    However, I am firmly convinced that the Mossad knew this attack was planned, didn’t warn us, and watched it occur. I’d be curious to know to exactly what extent they facilitated it.

    Finally, the whole issue of bin Laden’s supposed death is only tangentially related but also extremely suspicious.

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    "However, I am firmly convinced that the Mossad knew this attack was planned, didn’t warn us, and watched it occur. I’d be curious to know to exactly what extent they facilitated it."

    Agree. Mossad and dual nationals/traitors
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  178. Rurik says:
    @Anonymous

    Iran’s ‘nuclear weapons program’
     
    Fun fact: Netanyahu is a habitual, bold-faced liar:

    In his 1995 book, “Fighting Terrorism,” Netanyahu once again asserted that Iran would have a nuclear weapon in “three to five years,” apparently forgetting about the expiration of his old deadline.
     
    https://theintercept.com/2015/03/02/brief-history-netanyahu-crying-wolf-iranian-nuclear-bomb/

    Question: how many times did "the boy who cried 'wolf'" lie to the villagers before they took him to the woods and disappeared his sorry ass (that's the true story - "he was eaten by wolves" was an inside joke)?

    fact: Netanyahu is a habitual, bold-faced liar:

    before they took him to the woods..

    What we all know, is that at the very least Netanyahu knew the slaughter of thousands of Americans was coming, and didn’t warn us, and yet look at how all these sniveling, treasonous maggots applaud that sinister, murderous Jewish supremacist – with the blood of thousands of Americans on his hands.

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    Compare:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/politics/state-of-the-union-body-language/img/manchin-980.jpg?c=54
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  179. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Otterboy
    "Can anyone who believes Israel did it explain why they didn’t frame the Palestinians?"

    You mean frame the Palestinians 'yet'?

    It took israel around 70 years for them to try and pin the blame of the holocaust onto the Palestinians:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/benjamin-netanyahu-blames-holocaust-on-palestinian-leader-haj-amin-al-husseini-a6702091.html

    I'm sure they'll get around to it at some point, when they find time during their extremely hectic ethnic cleansing schedule

    Tyrion 2 like so many Jews you think your superior intellect and reasoning will convince the dumkopf goyim to believe your frauds and lies.

    Not on this site. Your not so clever questions don’t impress us at all.

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    Yes, you're so smart. You are quite superior. You know the real truth...of everything...everyone else is a dumb sheep.

    Or maybe you're a lunatic?

    Pick one.
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  180. @Rurik

    I personally do not find any of the arguments for a controlled demolition or that the planes didn’t really hit any of the buildings convincing.
     
    this is all the argument anyone should need

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXrT6h2oepc

    Since they reported the building falling, before it fell, that means someone knew the building was going to collapse, (at free-fall speed right into its basement in neat little sections to be immediately shipped to China to be melted down).

    I'm sorry, but it would require massive efforts of cognitive dissonance to ignore all that.

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  181. @academic gossip
    Please let me understand how the Israel-did-9/11 theory accomodates some known facts. I've read some of the 9/11 articles on this site and they don't address obvious objections:

    1. Israel is not known to conduct false flag attacks that deliberately kill Israelis and Jews, in places full of Jews such as a New York City office tower with offices of Wall St firms (e.g., Canter and Siegel was wiped out). Why wouldn't it target someplace that doesn't have the highest concentration of Jews in the USA? The losses at WTC were potentially much higher than was actually the case, since the towers were hit relatively early in the morning. An hour later and there would be lots more dead Jews.

    2. Israel gets money from the Pentagon (red) and the US Congress. Why make those (or the White House, if that was the Flight 93 destination) the targets, and not blue agencies such as the State Department or CIA?

    3. Wall St is supposed to be highly Jewish, pro-Israel and another source of funding for Israeli/Zionist causes (e.g., AIPAC). Why attack it at the WTC?

    4. The USA is the big financial and military sponsor or even life-support for Israel. At a minimum, this would end if an Israeli 9/11 plot were uncovered, and at worst what happened to Saddam happens to the Israeli government. Why take this kind of existential risk, which would cost Israel much more than the benefit of a US Iraq war (that can anyway backfire against Israel in all sorts of ways, such as making Iran stronger)? What guarantee is there that none of the US intelligence agencies or non-government investigators would figure out who is responsible?

    The most potentially plausible version of an Israeli 9/11 plot would be Mossad secretly financing and training Al Qaeda. Is there any evidence of that?

    Funny side note. The firm wiped out at WTC was Cantor Fitzgerald, not “Canter and Siegel” which was the (presumably Jewish) husband-and-wife law firm that pioneered Internet spam.

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    Yes, it was Cantor Fitzgerald. The ceo, Howard Lutnick, who was normally in the office at that time, just happened to be delayed at his child's kindergarten that morning. The firm lost around 650 employees
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  182. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @tomv
    I've only skimmed the article so far, but this paragraph jumps out at me.

    I eventually shared that account of the French minister’s private opinions with a very well-connected American individual, someone in our elite Establishment with whom I’d become a little friendly. His reaction made it clear that he held the same highly unorthodox views about the 9/11 attacks, although he had never publicly voiced them lest he risk losing his elite Establishment membership card.
     
    Aren't the "well-connected" and "elite Establishment" designations, which are supposed to bolster this individual's credibility, nullified by the last clause, which indicates that he holds his views not because of his position but in spite of it? His well-connectedness is probative here only insofar as it allows him access to information supporting the conspiracy theory that is unavailable to the public. Without that, he is no different Ron Unz or any man on the street on this question. Perhaps he just has a taste for conspiracy theories. The same could be said about the French defense minister.

    Aren’t the “well-connected” and “elite Establishment” designations, which are supposed to bolster this individual’s credibility, nullified by the last clause, which indicates that he holds his views not because of his position but in spite of it?

    Nope. How difficult is to accept that a member of the “elite” might have witnessed, overheard or dug up the truth due to their position in the pyramid?

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  183. Sean says:

    Later, similar hounding of researcher Bruce Ivins and his family led to his suicide, after which the FBI declared the case closed, even though former colleagues of Dr. Ivins demonstrated that he had had no motive, means, or opportunity.

    Motive is not an element of murder (although it may be mentioned that the sellotape sealing of the envelope plus the letters identifying their contents as anthrax and telling people to take penicillin suggest the murdererer(s) did not intend anyone to die. Ivins worked with anthrax in a lab, while there is much unexplained about the case and in particular the weaponizing of the anthrax in the letters with silicon, I think saying he had nopractical means, or opportunity is going beyond the evidence. If one sought to hire someone for the job of sending anthrax letters, Ivins might not be headhunted, but I suspect he would make a shortlist of qualified candidates.

    In evolutionary biology, when a biological organism appears to be acting against its own genetic interests, we may safely assume that it has probably fallen under the control of a different organism, typically a parasite, which has hijacked the host and is directing its activities toward different ends.

    That is a real possibility, even though infection with Toxoplasma Gondi has recently been suggested to be what sets entrepreneurs apart, yet the immune system of an organism can also overreact in the style of “destroy the village in order to save it” to a myriad of organisms. The gene variant with the greatest correlation with schizophrenia spectrum disorders out of hundreds that are linked to the disorder is a C4 allele that confers an particularly intense immune or inflammation response.

    https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/schizophrenias-strongest-known-genetic-risk-deconstructed

    https://www.nih.gov/sites/default/files/styles/featured_media_breakpoint-large-extra/public/news-events/news-releases/2016/20160127-graph-chromosome-6.jpg?itok=vgbT4-0R&timestamp=1453912024

    When utterly astonishing claims of an extremely controversial nature are made over a period of many years by numerous seemingly reputable academics and other experts, and they are entirely ignored or suppressed but never effectively refuted, reasonable conclusions seem to point in an obvious direction

    One characteristic of schizotypal personality disorder (which I have read up on and suppose I have a touch of myself) is intense interest in the supernatural (Religion, Spirituality, and Schizophrenia: A Review). Prof. Graeme McQueen is a retired professor of religious studies and that does not mean he is wrong about the FBI having made a mistake about Ivens of course, but it is no less plausible that McQueeen is the one who is mistaken. Differing assessments of the evidence may be due to the fact that C4 a is unusually variable across individuals. Another retired professor of religion is David Ray Griffin (I have Debunking 9/11 Debunking and I think in it Griffin makes a very good case in early chapters that the Air Force were very, very slow and had certain officers shown the manliness of the civilian Scroggins the planes could have been stopped from hitting their intended targets. I think a good definition of manliness is “decisiveness without complete knowledge”. In his Supercooperators Martin Nowak recalled Harvard numbers theorist Charles Taylor asking “Do you have a mathematical proof for this statement or only a physicist’s plausibility argument?”

    For many decision theorists, uncertainty is an undesirable characteristic of a situation, yet in the world of business it is considered a necessary condition for profit. In this article, we argue for complementing the study of decision making under risk using probability theory with a systematic study of decision making under uncertainty using formal models of heuristics. In doing so, we can better understand decision making in the real world and why and when simple heuristics are successful.
    ttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/321948719_Heuristics_are_Tools_for_Uncertainty

    One would wonder why the author of this post invested so much of his time and substance in his original business idea if he was as objectively critical about it as the matters he discusses here. Objectively speaking, there must have been much against the business model he thought up and then decided on putting into practice; many experts considered it foolishly risky I’ll wager.

    The French have an intelligence service that, in addition to being aghast during DeGaulle’s US visit by the vulnerability to a sniper that JFK’s bodyguards allowed him to be exposed to, were according to Unz author Alfred McCoy transporting tons of heroin into the United States. France also has philosophers, Jean Baudrillard’s essay The Gulf War Did Not Take Place emphasizes that the first war against Saddam was a huge massacre of brutally conscripted peasants by America, a country a only interested in having Operation Speedy Express style wars. The invasion of Iraq was certainly not that, and at present is indeed a strategic foreign policy disaster, but is reversing course and pursuing a neutral Middle East policy going to help America’s total situation, or is it now more reasonable to finish the job and smash Iran?

    Continuing with a battle that incurs critically heavy losses can be justified if it achieves final victory. The main charge against overthrowing Saddam was it achieved nothing. While history teaches us the primacy of foreign over domestic policy, the Israel Lobby/ neocon enthusiasm for immigration can be dealt with by holding Israel’s hand as it transforms itself into an explicitly integral nationalist state via transfer of the West Bank Palestinians. The sole remaining deterrent to those transfers is Iran. Saudi Arabian leaders are very far from being adamantly opposed to an American attack on Iran and are making every effort to encourage it, made all the easier because Zionist interests rather than those of the oil industry have dominated the Bush Administration in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. Anyway, the oil interests, including the Russian Federation and Saudi Arabia, would financially benefit from a war to put an end to the Iranian deterrent. It would only be necessary to inconvenience Jordan.

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    ... I think saying he had no practical means, or opportunity is going beyond the evidence. If one sought to hire someone for the job of sending anthrax letters, Ivins might not be headhunted, but I suspect he would make a shortlist of qualified candidates.
     
    Him being qualified doesn't mean that he had motive, practical means or opportunity. I know nothing about that case but your claim is meaningless on its own. What "evidence" are you talking about?
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  184. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @redmudhooch
    If Trump was really fighting the "deep state" first thing he would do is start or at least call for a new and REAL investigation into 9/11.
    With arrests and prosecution, all the way from Saudi Arabia, Tel Aviv, back home to Wall St, Langley, and the Pentagon.
    A real 9/11 investigation would drain the swamp 100%. Trump is in bed with the "deep state". Along with every traitor in Washington not calling for a real investigation. and all of the media!

    Sad!

    I don’t see how calling for a new investigation would result in anything at all. It was covered up at the time

    I’m convinced Israel murdered JFK with Oswald as triggerman and that quaker trotskite couple helping . Especially as Jew agent Johnson enacted the 3 most powerful antiWhite laws in the 5 years of his presidency.

    I was in college at the time. I was very very aware that immediately after wards liberal Jews proclaimed that right winger Nazi KKK killed JFK for a variety of reasons. Then came the thousands of books and thousands of theories.

    12/30 pm Dallas time is 10/30 am Pacific time. By my 11 and 1 classes both my proudly commie professors proclaimed it wasn’t communist Oswald but right wing anti civil rights Dallas conservatives who did it.

    The 9/11 investigation was as bad as the JFK non investigation. The government of Israel and the Jewish Lobby just won’t let even a suspicion of the truth be known.

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    I was in college at the time. I was very very aware that immediately after wards liberal Jews proclaimed that right winger Nazi KKK killed JFK for a variety of reasons.
     
    Interesting, but somehow not surprising.
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  185. T. Weed says:

    Ron Unz is a treasure. When the Emperor rides by in his new suit made of lies, and all the people are afraid not to clap, Unz is the child who cries out, “Mommy, the Emperor is naked!”

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  186. tanabear says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    My familiarity with 9/11 trutherism is bounded at Loose Change and a few articles discussing it.

    My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can't melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked. If it wasn't the Saudi knifemen who hijacked the planes, who was it? As far as I know hacking them is out of the question - all planes need to have manual overrides. Is Mossad capable of scraping together 19 Zionist fanatics hardcore enough to sacrifice themselves for the cause?

    The main unexplained suspicious factor is the unusual trading in the hours preceding 9/11. This would be consistent with certain people knowing about (or hearing rumors about) the impending events and keeping quiet about it, while making a buck on the side. Feasibly, that could been Mossad agents... and/or any number of other people.

    My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can’t melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked.” Anatoly Karlin

    This may be your impression, but your impression is wrong. You should ask yourself where does your “impression” come from?

    1) Jet-Fuel fires can’t melt steel.

    Even NIST(The National Institute of Standards and Technology) which was tasked with the official investigation into the collapse of World Trade Towers 1,2 and 7 acknowledges that the fires did not melt the steel. The idea that the fires did melt the steel was popular earlier on but was quickly disbanded by more scientific minds. I believe the “fires melted the steel hypothesis” was something meant for public consumption so they could have an explanation in their minds and not question the collapses any further. From the NIST FAQ on the investigation: “In no instance did NIST report that steel in the WTC towers melted due to the fires. The melting point of steel is about 1,500 degrees Celsius (2,800 degrees Fahrenheit).”

    p.s. Jet fuel can maybe burn up to 1500F, however, that is not nearly close enough to melt steel at roughly 2750F or so.

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    Moreover, the jet fuel is consumed pretty quickly. Most of it was consumed in the fireball, but the rest would have burned off quickly.
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  187. Old fogey says:

    Thank you Mr. Unz for the website and especially for your articles that are always well researched and clearly written.

    My husband, a Persian who lived in Iran from 1935 to 1980 and still reads the local news in Persian, says that nothing in your piece would surprise a Tehrani since Iranian newspapers from 9/11 itself have claimed that Israel was the instigator of the attack in league with a few Jewish Americans and the Saudis. The Persian press also persistently opposes the view that the U.S. government had anything to do with the event.

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    https://www.presstv.com/ the persians have this web in english

    https://www.hispantv.com/ and this one in spanish

    information fron a persian point of view , frequently more reliable than the New York Lies
    , @Anonymous

    The Persian press also persistently opposes the view that the U.S. government had anything to do with the event.

     

    That smells more political than factual. They don't lose anything by demonising Israel as the sole perpetrator, and they avoid muddying their future relationship with the USA.

    Just because it's truer than normal doesn't mean it's fully true!
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  188. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can’t melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked. If it wasn’t the Saudi knifemen who hijacked the planes, who was it?
     
    Why would is need to be someone else? The most obvious alternative -- one that is far more liekly to be true than the official story -- is that those 19 did do the hijacking, but they had inside help to get them past the security structures designed to stop such things. How did they get through airport security? Why weren't the hijacked planes shot down?

    They got through airport security because 4 inch blade knives were allowed at the time.

    There are reports of a gun on one of the planes that hit WTC. That’s simple. Go through airport security and someone who works at the airport slips a passenger a gun. The real danger in airports isn’t the passengers. It’s the low life foreigners who work in the airports.

    One clerk in I believe Portland Maine airport was very suspicious of 2 of the hijackers. He really wanted to pull them aside for secondary screening but didn’t for fear of being accused of racism. He’s white

    A 20th hijacker landed at Orlando international and wasn’t allowed to enter the country because customs suspected him of not being a tourist on his way to Disneyland.

    But those agents were mostly Hispanics and could get away with sending a suspicious Arab back.

    Both those incidents were on the internet.

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  189. Joun says:

    This topic is so unbelievable that, though I am confident I know what happened (generally), I somewhat can’t admit it to myself.

    It is odd to know that one is experiencing cognitive dissonance as it happens.

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  190. hetro says:

    Let the author’s hesitation and “inadvertent” application to the non-involvement of Bush-Cheney (i.e. denial of inside job) be more thoroughly explained, instead of so quickly dismissed, in further analysis. Why is it these probing authors–Unz, Cockburn, Parry, Chomsky–want to rush away from the inside job question, or allow it to fall into a demonized “conspiracist” meme?

    We might start with Griffin on this same issue, and the contradiction of Bush’s behavior at the pet goat episode. I watched the video of Bush lingering for many minutes after Card informed him of the second attack. As Griffin indicates, this behavior was revised to he got right out afterwards, to clean up his act.

    Of course, a doctored story he got right out might be motivated by presenting him as acting like a commander instead of in a funk or a daze. But that doesn’t explain his lingering, including into a news conference, while he and the school might be targeted in an impending attack. The jet standing on its tail to get him up and away in a hurry is a nice story, but indeed contradicted by his previous delaying, as Griffin indicates.

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  191. @tanabear
    "My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can’t melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked." Anatoly Karlin

    This may be your impression, but your impression is wrong. You should ask yourself where does your "impression" come from?

    1) Jet-Fuel fires can't melt steel.

    Even NIST(The National Institute of Standards and Technology) which was tasked with the official investigation into the collapse of World Trade Towers 1,2 and 7 acknowledges that the fires did not melt the steel. The idea that the fires did melt the steel was popular earlier on but was quickly disbanded by more scientific minds. I believe the "fires melted the steel hypothesis" was something meant for public consumption so they could have an explanation in their minds and not question the collapses any further. From the NIST FAQ on the investigation: "In no instance did NIST report that steel in the WTC towers melted due to the fires. The melting point of steel is about 1,500 degrees Celsius (2,800 degrees Fahrenheit)."

    p.s. Jet fuel can maybe burn up to 1500F, however, that is not nearly close enough to melt steel at roughly 2750F or so.

    Moreover, the jet fuel is consumed pretty quickly. Most of it was consumed in the fireball, but the rest would have burned off quickly.

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  192. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    I don’t see how calling for a new investigation would result in anything at all. It was covered up at the time

    I’m convinced Israel murdered JFK with Oswald as triggerman and that quaker trotskite couple helping . Especially as Jew agent Johnson enacted the 3 most powerful antiWhite laws in the 5 years of his presidency.

    I was in college at the time. I was very very aware that immediately after wards liberal Jews proclaimed that right winger Nazi KKK killed JFK for a variety of reasons. Then came the thousands of books and thousands of theories.

    12/30 pm Dallas time is 10/30 am Pacific time. By my 11 and 1 classes both my proudly commie professors proclaimed it wasn’t communist Oswald but right wing anti civil rights Dallas conservatives who did it.

    The 9/11 investigation was as bad as the JFK non investigation. The government of Israel and the Jewish Lobby just won’t let even a suspicion of the truth be known.

    I was in college at the time. I was very very aware that immediately after wards liberal Jews proclaimed that right winger Nazi KKK killed JFK for a variety of reasons.

    Interesting, but somehow not surprising.

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  193. In this article, Ron Unz mentions a previous American Pravda post detailing the connection between Zionists and Nazis in the 1930s. This has relevance to the false-flag 9/11 attacks.

    George W. Bush was obviously emotionally unstable, having grown up as the son of a man who frequented the services of a pedophile ring, and a woman who was one of the daughters of Aleister Crowley. He was in the White House because his last name was Bush. Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, deep state operators since the Nixon Administration, were the power behind the throne.

    Mr. Unz is correct in stating there was Mossad fingerprints on 9/11, but the Israelis needed support in all sorts of ways from indigenous actors. Cheney and Rumsfeld are the prime suspects for being the American management team of 9/11.

    It seems most of the commenters here realize the motives of the Israelis and the American traitors, so no need to get into that. It is worth mentioning that the system that the Israelis and non-Jews like Cheney and Rumsfeld ultimately serve gave birth to Zionism, and originated in ancient Babylon.

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    Mr. Unz is correct in stating there was Mossad fingerprints on 9/11, but the Israelis needed support in all sorts of ways from indigenous actors. Cheney and Rumsfeld are the prime suspects for being the American management team of 9/11.
     
    Agree. That's the only part of the article where I'd strongly disagree with Unz.
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  194. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anon
    Tyrion 2 like so many Jews you think your superior intellect and reasoning will convince the dumkopf goyim to believe your frauds and lies.

    Not on this site. Your not so clever questions don’t impress us at all.

    Yes, you’re so smart. You are quite superior. You know the real truth…of everything…everyone else is a dumb sheep.

    Or maybe you’re a lunatic?

    Pick one.

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    Wolfowitz has been making his career on anti Iraq agenda fromm1979 His angst hatred against Saddam dates back to 1979 His love for Israel goes back to his genetic code. 1991 he was telling Wesley Clarke abut defeating Iraq Iran Libya Somalia Yemen and Syria . Its not that he was in favor of Palestine He is a sponsor of 1996 PNAC doc which states the peace fr land is wrong . In 1993 WTC bombing he tried to put the blame on Iraq. His friend Perle Lut Scooter Kagan Kristol and Kruthamhher made their intentions clear long ago- remove Saddam ad kill other regimes. They couldn't say same against Palestine because of Oslo was American policy . They just could not go after directly against PA at that time
    They had to wait It was safer fr them to create anti Muslim hatred and engulf the entire region and hope for Palestine get snared.
    It doesn't mean they did not try to blame periodically and later .Sharon was blaming Palestine authority and Arafat to be nothing but off shoot f Al Quiada No one bought it .


    May be you should ask the neocons why they did not blame Arafat r PA. Was it because West Bank and Jerusalem and Gaza were very close to Israel , very close to Sharon's future grave and Netanyahu's brothel frequented by his son
    ???
    , @Anon
    I don’t know everything. I only post what I know. And I don’t depend on wikepedia for my comments.
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  195. Anon[180] • Disclaimer says:
    @schrub
    Some commenters here claim that it would have been impossible for Cheney and Rumsfeld to either not have known about 9-11 or not have been active participants.

    It might be outlandish to some say but it was entirely possible.

    Years ago I was watching TV (C-SPAN I believe ). The program was an interview with the very well respected historian Robert Dallek who had just written a very thorough history of the Nixon administration and Henry Kissinger.

    https://www.amazon.com/Nixon-Kissinger-Partners-Robert-Dallek/dp/0060722312

    During this interview, the very garrulous (and Jewish) Dallek blurted out something that maybe he later regretted. This definitely stuck in my mind at the time.

    He mentioned how during the Arab Israeli War of 1973, Israel was at one point on the verge of losing. Then, according to Dallek, something very interesting happened . Active military forces in Europe (and maybe even the USA) were commanded to surrender virtually all of their military tactical supplies (including aircraft) and transfer them to Israel even though this would haven then made them very vulnerable to a Soviet attack during the time that these supplies were missing.

    Who ordered the military to surrender all these tactial supplies to Israel? According to Dallek it was none other Henry Kissinger. Kissinger did this without even bothering to tell Nixon. Kissinger later claimed he sidesteppped Nixon because Nixon was "too drunk" because of Watergate to make a decision. Kissinger, according to Dallekand very tellingly also diverted these military supplies without bothering to tell Secretary of State William Rogers about his plans either, despite the fact that Rogers certainly wasn't "drunk."

    If Dallek's claims are true this is a revealing episode because at the time Kissinger wasn't even a cabinet member at the time , just a presidential advisor. How was an unelected advisor able to go around other cabinet members to put such a huge operation into effect. It was as if there was an entirely parallel government in Washington that allowed Kissinger to be able to impliment this plan apparently without any input from from either other exective department officials or from most of Congress.

    Who else exactly would have been involved to command these military forces to follow Kissinger's directives to strip their installations of supplies and divert them to Israel. Did these people also tell the generals involved to command American pilots to fight on Israel's side in their newly trasnsferred planes because Israel's supply of pilots was already greatly depleted because of battle losses. Who exactly flew these newly acquired planes in this war?.

    What then was Watergate, the simple break-in that ended up removing a president? Did the disabling of an American president occur because Israel had gone to Nixon as far back as 1971 or 1972 (or possibly even earlier) after finding out from their very effective Mossad sources with intelligence contacts in the Arab governments that these Arab country was planning to attack Israel to get back the lands Israel had acquired in 1967.

    Did Nixon hesitate about promising to support Israel in its desire to retain these illegally obtained Arab lands it had acquired in its deliberatedly planned Six Day War in 1967? If Nixon had refused absolute fealty or even hesitated slightly about backing up Israel, Nixon would have then, in effect, signed his own death warrant and plans to take him out would have immediately commenced. These plans for the already hated Nixon's elimination culminated in Watergate and did in fact end up saving Israel. (Cui bono) Had Kissinger originally been deliberately planted in the Nixon administration to facilitate this plan?

    Something that hasn't ever been mentioned about an additional reason for this hatred of Nixon involves who exactly lost money when Nixon single handedly pulled the rug out from under international spectulators by ending the Bretton Woods Agreement in 1971. This agreement had previously allowed the convertibility of American dollars into gold. When Nixon ended convertibility some people ceretainly suffered large losses of money which they then directly blamed on Nixon.

    Something else: Who was Watergate's "Deep Throat"? It could only have been none other than Henry Kissinger, the only member of Nixon's close advisors who knew everything but was never was fully investigated and was never charged with a crime.

    That was fairly common knowledge at the time. The internet is full of articles about American participation in Israel’s wars.

    Among other things, every single American tank in Europe was airlifted to Israel and of course never returned. You can still find in the internet comments by American soldier who’ve fought in Israel. Supposedly there are American bases in Israel.

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    How long was the Yom Kippur war? It wasn't long enough to airlift every American tank to Israel. Furthermore, I don't believe we had the airlift capacity to lift the Main Battle tank at that time. Even in Desert Storm it took at least 45 days to bring in Armor and heavy equipment to be prepared for a potential Iraqui ground assault and much of that came by sea from pre-positioned stocks.
    The air combat capacity was built up more quickly
    Surely, the US helped Israel,decisively, in 1973. The aid was resupply of Ammo and some weapons systems and most of all recon overflights and satellite imagery. If Henry the K claimed he did it unilaterly and on that massive scale and so quickly, he probably was polishing his image
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  196. renfro says:
    @Otterboy
    I just really hope that this thread doesn't become engulfed with endless arguments for and against controlled demolition. This is what always tends to happen on 911 articles

    It would be great to focus on how and why this was allowed to happen and I agree with Ron Unz, that it was an attack aided and abetted by the Neocons and Mossad. In my opinion they were real planes and real jihadis that hit the towers. I'm happy to accept that they collapsed due to the damage from the planes because ultimately all of never ending discussions about controlled demolition diverts most of the attention away from what I believe should be the focus of the discussion; who was ultimately responsible?

    It would be great to focus on how and why this was allowed to happen and I agree with Ron Unz, that it was an attack aided and abetted by the Neocons and Mossad. In my opinion they were real planes and real jihadis that hit the towers.

    Imo you hit the key with ‘why this was allowed to happen’.
    Let it happen has been my theory.
    Someone(s) knew something and cleared the way for it to succeed.

    If you want to sabotage a bridge for instance all you have to do is remove or weaken certain critical supports and wait for heavy enough traffic to collapse it.

    That every single US agency and check point failed on the same day at the same time is another mystery.

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    "That every single US agency and check point failed on the same day at the same time is another mystery."

    Yes. All their ducks were lined up in a nice neat row and all fell into place perfectly for them. I don't believe in such coincidences. These guys had lots of inside knowledge and they must have had a lot of inside help too. The timing of the event to take advantage of exactly when NORAD were carrying out training exercises is just one example

    https://www.google.co.uk/m?q=norad+training+exercises+911&client=ms-opera-mobile&channel=new&espv=1
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  197. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    Later, similar hounding of researcher Bruce Ivins and his family led to his suicide, after which the FBI declared the case closed, even though former colleagues of Dr. Ivins demonstrated that he had had no motive, means, or opportunity.
     
    Motive is not an element of murder (although it may be mentioned that the sellotape sealing of the envelope plus the letters identifying their contents as anthrax and telling people to take penicillin suggest the murdererer(s) did not intend anyone to die. Ivins worked with anthrax in a lab, while there is much unexplained about the case and in particular the weaponizing of the anthrax in the letters with silicon, I think saying he had nopractical means, or opportunity is going beyond the evidence. If one sought to hire someone for the job of sending anthrax letters, Ivins might not be headhunted, but I suspect he would make a shortlist of qualified candidates.

    In evolutionary biology, when a biological organism appears to be acting against its own genetic interests, we may safely assume that it has probably fallen under the control of a different organism, typically a parasite, which has hijacked the host and is directing its activities toward different ends.
     
    That is a real possibility, even though infection with Toxoplasma Gondi has recently been suggested to be what sets entrepreneurs apart, yet the immune system of an organism can also overreact in the style of "destroy the village in order to save it" to a myriad of organisms. The gene variant with the greatest correlation with schizophrenia spectrum disorders out of hundreds that are linked to the disorder is a C4 allele that confers an particularly intense immune or inflammation response.

    https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/schizophrenias-strongest-known-genetic-risk-deconstructed

    https://www.nih.gov/sites/default/files/styles/featured_media_breakpoint-large-extra/public/news-events/news-releases/2016/20160127-graph-chromosome-6.jpg?itok=vgbT4-0R&timestamp=1453912024

     


    When utterly astonishing claims of an extremely controversial nature are made over a period of many years by numerous seemingly reputable academics and other experts, and they are entirely ignored or suppressed but never effectively refuted, reasonable conclusions seem to point in an obvious direction
     
    One characteristic of schizotypal personality disorder (which I have read up on and suppose I have a touch of myself) is intense interest in the supernatural (Religion, Spirituality, and Schizophrenia: A Review). Prof. Graeme McQueen is a retired professor of religious studies and that does not mean he is wrong about the FBI having made a mistake about Ivens of course, but it is no less plausible that McQueeen is the one who is mistaken. Differing assessments of the evidence may be due to the fact that C4 a is unusually variable across individuals. Another retired professor of religion is David Ray Griffin (I have Debunking 9/11 Debunking and I think in it Griffin makes a very good case in early chapters that the Air Force were very, very slow and had certain officers shown the manliness of the civilian Scroggins the planes could have been stopped from hitting their intended targets. I think a good definition of manliness is "decisiveness without complete knowledge". In his Supercooperators Martin Nowak recalled Harvard numbers theorist Charles Taylor asking “Do you have a mathematical proof for this statement or only a physicist's plausibility argument?”

    For many decision theorists, uncertainty is an undesirable characteristic of a situation, yet in the world of business it is considered a necessary condition for profit. In this article, we argue for complementing the study of decision making under risk using probability theory with a systematic study of decision making under uncertainty using formal models of heuristics. In doing so, we can better understand decision making in the real world and why and when simple heuristics are successful.
    ttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/321948719_Heuristics_are_Tools_for_Uncertainty
     
    One would wonder why the author of this post invested so much of his time and substance in his original business idea if he was as objectively critical about it as the matters he discusses here. Objectively speaking, there must have been much against the business model he thought up and then decided on putting into practice; many experts considered it foolishly risky I'll wager.

    The French have an intelligence service that, in addition to being aghast during DeGaulle's US visit by the vulnerability to a sniper that JFK's bodyguards allowed him to be exposed to, were according to Unz author Alfred McCoy transporting tons of heroin into the United States. France also has philosophers, Jean Baudrillard's essay The Gulf War Did Not Take Place emphasizes that the first war against Saddam was a huge massacre of brutally conscripted peasants by America, a country a only interested in having Operation Speedy Express style wars. The invasion of Iraq was certainly not that, and at present is indeed a strategic foreign policy disaster, but is reversing course and pursuing a neutral Middle East policy going to help America's total situation, or is it now more reasonable to finish the job and smash Iran?

    Continuing with a battle that incurs critically heavy losses can be justified if it achieves final victory. The main charge against overthrowing Saddam was it achieved nothing. While history teaches us the primacy of foreign over domestic policy, the Israel Lobby/ neocon enthusiasm for immigration can be dealt with by holding Israel's hand as it transforms itself into an explicitly integral nationalist state via transfer of the West Bank Palestinians. The sole remaining deterrent to those transfers is Iran. Saudi Arabian leaders are very far from being adamantly opposed to an American attack on Iran and are making every effort to encourage it, made all the easier because Zionist interests rather than those of the oil industry have dominated the Bush Administration in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. Anyway, the oil interests, including the Russian Federation and Saudi Arabia, would financially benefit from a war to put an end to the Iranian deterrent. It would only be necessary to inconvenience Jordan.

    … I think saying he had no practical means, or opportunity is going beyond the evidence. If one sought to hire someone for the job of sending anthrax letters, Ivins might not be headhunted, but I suspect he would make a shortlist of qualified candidates.

    Him being qualified doesn’t mean that he had motive, practical means or opportunity. I know nothing about that case but your claim is meaningless on its own. What “evidence” are you talking about?

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    Ignore Sean insinuation that Ron Unz is schizo but read carefully his last paragraph in which his idée fixe is expressed for the umpteen time. This is: Let Israel ethnically cleanse Palestinians and everything will be OK.

    the Israel Lobby/ neocon enthusiasm for immigration can be dealt with by holding Israel’s hand as it transforms itself into an explicitly integral nationalist state via transfer of the West Bank Palestinians.
     
    To do it we need to destroy Iran first but that is OK because some countries will make money on oil. And when Israel becomes a real ethnic nationalist state secure in its news borders it will be nice to us and will let us keep undesirables away form our countries.

    SUPPORT THE YINON AND PNAC PLANS FOR REFURBISHING OF THE MIDDLE EAST FOR ISRAEL. This is the essence of all Sean's comments.
    , @Sean
    There is a lack of direct evidence against him for the anthrax letters and the main exculpatory fact is the anthrax in them was apparently treated with silicon to make it more dangerous, which is something completely outside his area of expertise and a technique said to be not something he ever asked about or could have mastered without being trained in it. However, he had access to the particular strain used and was in fact an eminent specialist in culturing such pure strains and researching them, which meant he had access to quantities of it depending on how he disposed of the left overs from tests. He could not have been tried for the murders, but it is going to far to say he could not and did not have had practical means. His propinquity and access are circumstantial enough to make him a person of particular interest, even if it is now very difficult to pin it on him. The main thing suggesting he was innocent are the statements of his colleagues about technical things very few people but they are in a position to really understand.
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  198. @Anonymous
    In the week after 9/11, in the Washington, D.C. area, the news stands ran a special 9/11 photo magazine issue at the checkouts. I bought this issue from Giant Food and looked through it thoroughly. I recall at the time that there was some outcry from the Arabs/Middle East over magazine deciding to run these pictures of Arabs in the West Bank cheering on 9/11. I remember at the time how politically incorrect I thought it was for them to do this.

    When the news came out about the first death from the anthrax attacks, which was Robert Stevens, a photo editor at National Enquirer/AMI, Inc. in Florida, I was baffled why this guy would be targeted. So out of curiosity I went to get my 9/11 magazine special and turned to the back where the credits were. I saw that the magazine was published by AMI, Inc., and the photo editor for the issue was Robert Stevens. I realized that either he was targeted by some Middle East/Arabs in retaliation for running the photos of the West Bank, or, someone wanted people to make that connection. Then after two months when this didn’t get traction Barbara Hatch Rosenberg started accusing Steven Hatfill and making connections to white racism and his time in Rhodesia.

    Also, another attempt was made to link it to Arabs/Arab country in the Middle East because of the box writing slanting downward from left to right on the address on the envelope. Suggesting the person who wrote the letter was an Arab and writes from left to right (which would naturally slant upward as you write). Arabic and Hebrew both go from right to left.

    The photo you refer to was a hoax, or more accurately the caption was a hoax. There were no Palestinians cheering the WTC bombings. Its not much of a mystery (((who))) would want Americans to believe Palestinians were cheering the WTC bombings, and own the media outlets that could rig the hoax. Also, the grocery store is called Food Giant, if you’re in Haifa pretending to live in Houston, at least make an effort to get the name right.

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    The photo you refer to was a hoax, or more accurately the caption was a hoax. There were no Palestinians cheering the WTC bombings. Its not much of a mystery (((who))) would want Americans to believe Palestinians were cheering the WTC bombings, and own the media outlets that could rig the hoax. Also, the grocery store is called Food Giant, if you’re in Haifa pretending to live in Houston, at least make an effort to get the name right.
     
    LOL, dude it’s Giant Food and I believe I bought at the one in Germantown, Maryland. I’m not hasbara and believe if anyone it would be Israel behind a false flag attack. https://stores.giantfood.com/md/germantown/13060-middlebrook-rd
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  199. j2 says:
    @Anonymous

    The acceleration would have been consistent with the force of gravity unless something else impeded it, and in a modern steel & glass tower, there isn’t much to slow the rate of acceleration.
     
    Surely the remaining lower parts of the tower should have impeded it? By inertia at the very least, if not by strength.

    “The Alarmist claimed: The acceleration would have been consistent with the force of gravity unless something else impeded it, and in a modern steel & glass tower, there isn’t much to slow the rate of acceleration.

    Anonymous answered> Surely the remaining lower parts of the tower should have impeded it? By inertia at the very least, if not by strength.”

    Anonymous, you are quite correct and Alarmist is quite incorrect.

    In

    http://www.911myths.com/WTCONC1.pdf

    there is an effort of a supporter of the official theory to calculate how much energy breaking the structures demanded (steel and concrete). He comes to the result that it required a bit over half of the kinetic energy of falling upper part. I find the calculation reasonable and it shows Alarmist wrong.

    In the second Quora answer in

    https://www.quora.com/Did-WTC-buildings-1-2-and-7-actually-come-down-at-near-free-fall-acceleration-on-9-11-How-significant-is-the-difference-compared-to-precise-freefall

    you find a simple calculation verifying that WTC2 came down with almost exact free-fall acceleration. This means that there was practically no energy spent on breaking structures.

    But the previous calculation demonstrated that a bit over half of the energy was spent on breaking structures. The conclusion from these two is that gravitation cannot explain both the acceleration and breaking of structures. External energy is necessary.

    The calculation that concrete could be pulverized and steel structures could be broken by the kinetic energy of the falling upper part ignores the unavoidable affect that breaking structures below necessarily breaks (pulverizes to a cloud) the floors above, i.e., the collapse cannot continue much over half of the building in this way. Thus, the believer in the official theory, who made the calculation, must have some blind spot. He simply ignores what would have happened to the upper floors and focuses on at the start of the collapse, just like NIST did. That is dishonest from a debunker.

    It is very depressive to read the efforts of people who try to debunk the demolition theory. Either they have a brain damage or they are consciously lying. I cannot believe that they could be so stupid not to notice the problem, yet make quite reasonable calculations for the energy required to break the structures.

    Just simply try to break concrete and you will notice that it is rather heavy work. Work done in a time is energy. Breaking requires energy. This energy is away from accelerating the mass. Therefore the mass cannot fall on a near free-fall speed. This is basic physics and does not require expertise in structural engineering. Alarmist could be correct if this energy would be a small fraction of the kinetic energy of the upper floors, but it is not a small fraction, it is a bit over half, or at least one fourth if we consider breaking only of one floor, not two as in the article above.

    There are debunkers and debunkers. Those cases that I have checked the debunkers were as a rule incorrect, only trying to confuse people who cannot follow calculations.

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    I totally agree that it would take energy to break a full-strength (below the fire line!) building but that's only half the point.

    The other half the point is even if the structure instantly and without energy input went limp, how did the lower bits accelerate to the speed of the upper bits when the upper bits already had a head start and both of them were accelerating at 9.8m/s^2?

    In other words, if the whole thing came down at freefall then that means that the lower floors must have started falling BEFORE the upper floors even reached them.

    How does that happen? Does steel get scared?
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  200. @Agent76
    October 08, 2016 Video: Afghanistan: Fifteen Years of Invasion and Occupation

    Now the truth about oil and gas, mineral wealth, opium and naked imperial ambition are all that remain. The ambitions of Empire.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/video-afghanistan-fifteen-years-of-invasion-and-occupation/5549973

    Sep 5, 2016 9/11 Suspects: Rudy Giuliani

    Mayor Giuliani oversaw the illegal destruction of the 9/11 crime scene and is criminally liable for the deaths of hundreds of emergency workers for not passing on prior warnings about the collapses of the Twin Towers.

    https://youtu.be/Cl85JSvDmsA

    Giuliani, consigliere to President Trump, was on the American management team of the false-flag 9/11 attacks.

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    Thank you, I am very aware of the guilty parties and it is the two party mythology by the Banksters.
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  201. Anon[180] • Disclaimer says:
    @schrub
    Some commenters here claim that it would have been impossible for Cheney and Rumsfeld to either not have known about 9-11 or not have been active participants.

    It might be outlandish to some say but it was entirely possible.

    Years ago I was watching TV (C-SPAN I believe ). The program was an interview with the very well respected historian Robert Dallek who had just written a very thorough history of the Nixon administration and Henry Kissinger.

    https://www.amazon.com/Nixon-Kissinger-Partners-Robert-Dallek/dp/0060722312

    During this interview, the very garrulous (and Jewish) Dallek blurted out something that maybe he later regretted. This definitely stuck in my mind at the time.

    He mentioned how during the Arab Israeli War of 1973, Israel was at one point on the verge of losing. Then, according to Dallek, something very interesting happened . Active military forces in Europe (and maybe even the USA) were commanded to surrender virtually all of their military tactical supplies (including aircraft) and transfer them to Israel even though this would haven then made them very vulnerable to a Soviet attack during the time that these supplies were missing.

    Who ordered the military to surrender all these tactial supplies to Israel? According to Dallek it was none other Henry Kissinger. Kissinger did this without even bothering to tell Nixon. Kissinger later claimed he sidesteppped Nixon because Nixon was "too drunk" because of Watergate to make a decision. Kissinger, according to Dallekand very tellingly also diverted these military supplies without bothering to tell Secretary of State William Rogers about his plans either, despite the fact that Rogers certainly wasn't "drunk."

    If Dallek's claims are true this is a revealing episode because at the time Kissinger wasn't even a cabinet member at the time , just a presidential advisor. How was an unelected advisor able to go around other cabinet members to put such a huge operation into effect. It was as if there was an entirely parallel government in Washington that allowed Kissinger to be able to impliment this plan apparently without any