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Back in 1999 I was invited to join Steve Sailer’s HBD email group, where I encountered all sorts of interesting people. The participants were mostly intellectuals or journalists having sharply heterodox views about racial differences, especially those involving IQ and crime, and this was reflected in the somewhat euphemistic title, which stood for “Human Bio-Diversity.” A reasonable sense of the controversial roster is that less than a year earlier a founding member named Glayde Whitney had contributed the Foreword to David Duke’s 700 page opus My Awakening.

Although the discussions were intended to focus on scientific matters, it sometimes seemed that half the heated arguments revolved around immigration, and on that highly contentious topic, I was invariably outnumbered around 99-to-1, with even the handful of self-proclaimed liberals regularly ranging themselves against me. Despite such apparently long odds, I regarded myself as always victorious in all those endless debates, though I would have to admit that 99% of the audience probably would have disagreed with my verdict.

Particularly contentious was the question of Hispanic immigrant crime rates, which I claimed were roughly the same as those of whites, a position that virtually all those professors and authors denounced as utter lunacy. That particular dispute went on for so many years that eventually I no longer even bothered to argue the case, but just every now and then provided some satirical jibes on the topic.

As it happens, the late J. Philippe Rushton, longtime professor of Psychology at the University of Western Ontario, was a very occasional participant, and one of my jokes happened to catch his eye. Being a bit on the humorless side, he failed to comprehend that my remarks were actually tongue-in-cheek, and after three or four explanatory exchanges, I was finally forced to state my position as explicitly as possible: “Hispanics have approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age.” He found my claim totally astonishing, saying that it contradicted absolutely everything he had learned about the topic and even threatened to overturn his entire ideological world-view, which he had so painstakingly built up over his previous thirty years of scientific investigation into human racial differences. Therefore, he said I couldn’t possibly be right.

Now Rushton was then widely regarded as being the world’s foremost White Nationalist academic scholar, and he was basically saying that he would eat his own hat if my contradictory racial analysis proved correct. Such an intellectual challenge was just too tempting for me to resist, so I took a brief hiatus from my ongoing software project to work out the crime numbers.

Sure enough, the quantitative results came out exactly the way I knew they would, and I was quite pleased with my resulting cover story “The Myth of Hispanic Crime” that ran in the March 2010 issue of The American Conservative. Not only did my detailed analysis eventually win over Prof. Rushton and most of my more thoughtful critics, but it also sparked an enormous Internet debate, and probably had widespread influence. I was puzzled at the time that such simple calculations had not previously been undertaken by America’s vast army of pro-immigrant academics and journalists, and could only wonder whether they had deliberately avoided investigating the issue for fear that the claims of their anti-immigrant opponents would prove entirely correct. Regardless of the cause, for years afterward whenever I Googled “Hispanic Crime” or “Latino Crime”, the search engine would turn up many tens of millions of web pages, but my own article was generally listed in the top five or six results, quite often in the top two or three. Even today, nearly a decade later, copies of my article still rank remarkably high in such searches on Google, Bing, and DuckDuckGo.

Was my controversial analysis actually correct? Well, when I moved to Palo Alto in 1992, neighboring East Palo Alto had America’s highest per capita murder rate, which obviously made people here rather nervous. But then over the next 25 years, a vast flood of Hispanic immigrants, both legal and illegal, swept into the region, and the city became overwhelmingly Latino and immigrant. Perhaps coincidentally, the homicide rate fell by some 99%, with the last two years marred by only a single killing, a murder-suicide involving a couple of elderly white lesbians, while all other crime rates have also plummeted. Palo Alto is home to the CEOs of Google, Facebook, Apple, and numerous other leading tech companies, so perhaps rightwing activists should be less than totally mystified why their anti-immigrant zealotry has generally fallen on rather deaf ears within the Silicon Valley business community.

 

Although immigration and Hispanic crime were perennial topics in that HBD group, for a few years after the 9/11 attacks the latter issue was almost entirely displaced by feverish exchanges on Muslim terrorism and the accompanying Clash of Civilizations. Once again, I was invariably on the short end of a 99-to-1 divide, with nearly all the others in the group claiming that destruction of the World Trade Center conclusively proved that we needed to close our borders to foreign immigrants. I pointed out that since the Arab hijackers involved hadn’t been immigrants, but had generally entered our country on tourist visas, maybe the “War on Terrorism” should be renamed the “War on Tourism,” and we should protect America by completely closing our borders to the horrifying risks of the latter. Yet everyone ignored my sage advice.

The 9/11 attacks themselves had astonished me as much as everyone else on the HBD list, but aside from carefully reading the developing story in the New York Times and my other morning newspapers, I was too busy with my work to otherwise follow the topic. At first, everyone seemed certain that there would soon be a wave of follow-up attacks by the dozens or perhaps even hundreds of other Islamic terrorists remaining in our country, but nothing like that ever happened. After a few weeks had gone by without any further explosions, even small ones, I told the other HBD listmembers that I now strongly suspected that every last Al Qaeda terrorist in America had probably died in the suicide attacks of September 11th, and there wasn’t a single remaining operative left behind to commit further mayhem. Many of the others disagreed with me, but as the months and years went by, my surprising hypothesis turned out to be correct.

There was one important exception to this pattern, but it actually served to confirm the rule. As I wrote a few years ago in my original “American Pravda” article:

Consider the almost forgotten anthrax mailing attacks in the weeks after 9/11, which terrified our dominant East Coast elites and spurred passage of the unprecedented Patriot Act, thereby eliminating many traditional civil-libertarian protections. Every morning during that period the New York Times and other leading newspapers carried articles describing the mysterious nature of the deadly attacks and the complete bafflement of the FBI investigators. But evenings on the Internet I would read stories by perfectly respectable journalists such as Salon’s Laura Rozen or the staff of the Hartford Courant providing a wealth of additional detail and pointing to a likely suspect and motive.

Although the letters carrying the anthrax were purportedly written by an Arab terrorist, the FBI quickly determined that the language and style indicated a non-Arab author, while tests pointed to the bioweapons research facility at Ft. Detrick, Md., as the probable source of the material. But just prior to the arrival of those deadly mailings, military police at Quantico, Va., had also received an anonymous letter warning that a former Ft. Detrick employee, Egyptian-born Dr. Ayaad Assaad, might be planning to launch a national campaign of bioterrorism. Investigators quickly cleared Dr. Assaad, but the very detailed nature of the accusations revealed inside knowledge of his employment history and the Ft. Detrick facilities. Given the near-simultaneous posting of anthrax envelopes and false bioterrorism accusations, the mailings almost certainly came from the same source, and solving the latter case would be the easiest means of catching the anthrax killer.

Who would have attempted to frame Dr. Assaad for bioterrorism? A few years earlier he had been involved in a bitter personal feud with a couple of his Ft. Detrick coworkers, including charges of racism, official reprimands, and angry recriminations all around. When an FBI official shared a copy of the accusatory letter with a noted language-forensics expert and allowed him to compare the text with the writings of 40 biowarfare lab employees, he found a perfect match with one of those individuals. For years I told my friends that anyone who spent 30 minutes with Google could probably determine the name and motive of the likely anthrax killer, and most of them successfully met my challenge.

This powerful evidence received almost no attention in the major national media, nor is there any indication that the FBI ever followed up on any of these clues or interrogated the named suspects. Instead, investigators attempted to pin the attacks on a Dr. Steven Hatfill based on negligible evidence, after which he was completely exonerated and won a $5.6 million settlement from the government for its years of severe harassment. Later, similar hounding of researcher Bruce Ivins and his family led to his suicide, after which the FBI declared the case closed, even though former colleagues of Dr. Ivins demonstrated that he had had no motive, means, or opportunity. In 2008, I commissioned a major 3,000-word cover story in my magazine summarizing all of this crucial evidence, and once again almost no one in the mainstream media paid the slightest attention.

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Unlike the 9/11 attacks themselves, I had closely followed the Anthrax terrorism, and was shocked by the strange silence of the government investigators and our leading newspapers. At the time, I generally assumed that the attacks were totally unconnected with 9/11 and merely opportunistic, but I simply couldn’t understand how a few minutes a day of reading Salon and the Hartford Courant on the web could seemingly solve the front-page mystery that was baffling everyone at the FBI and the New York Times. It was around that point when I first started to wonder whether the elite media publications I had always relied upon were merely “Our American Pravda” under a different name. Moreover, a 2014 book by Prof. Graeme MacQueen that I only very recently discovered has made a reasonably persuasive case that the Anthrax killings were intimately connected to the 9/11 attacks themselves, greatly magnifying the malfeasance of our media elites.

 

In theoretical physics, new scientific breakthroughs often occur when known objects are found to behave in inexplicable ways, thereby suggesting the existence of previously unsuspected forces or particles. In evolutionary biology, when an organism appears to be acting against its own genetic interests, we may safely assume that it has probably fallen under the control of some other entity, typically a parasite, which has hijacked the host and is directing its activities toward different ends. While I couldn’t be entirely sure what was happening to the politics and media of my own country, something very odd and disturbing was certainly taking place.

Things soon became much worse. Since the 9/11 attacks had apparently been organized by Osama bin Laden and he was based in Afghanistan under Taliban protection, our attack on that country at least seemed rational. But suddenly there also soon appeared talk of attacking Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, which made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

At first I couldn’t believe what was taking place, simply awed by the breathtaking power and dishonesty of “our American Pravda,” with the establishment media so easily transforming black into white and night into day. Once again, quoting from my original article of that title:

The circumstances surrounding our Iraq War demonstrate this, certainly ranking it among the strangest military conflicts of modern times. The 2001 attacks in America were quickly ascribed to the radical Islamists of al-Qaeda, whose bitterest enemy in the Middle East had always been Saddam Hussein’s secular Baathist regime in Iraq. Yet through misleading public statements, false press leaks, and even forged evidence such as the “yellowcake” documents, the Bush administration and its neoconservative allies utilized the compliant American media to persuade our citizens that Iraq’s nonexistent WMDs posed a deadly national threat and required elimination by war and invasion. Indeed, for several years national polls showed that a large majority of conservatives and Republicans actually believed that Saddam was the mastermind behind 9/11 and the Iraq War was being fought as retribution. Consider how bizarre the history of the 1940s would seem if America had attacked China in retaliation for Pearl Harbor.

True facts were easily available to anyone paying attention in the years after 2001, but most Americans do not bother and simply draw their understanding of the world from what they are told by the major media, which overwhelmingly—almost uniformly—backed the case for war with Iraq; the talking heads on TV created our reality. Prominent journalists across the liberal and conservative spectrum eagerly published the most ridiculous lies and distortions passed on to them by anonymous sources, and stampeded Congress down the path to war.

The result was what my late friend Lt. Gen. Bill Odom rightly called the “greatest strategic disaster in United States history.” American forces suffered tens of thousands of needless deaths and injuries, while our country took a huge step toward national bankruptcy. Economics Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz and others have estimated that with interest the total long-term cost of our two recent wars may reach as high as $5 or $6 trillion, or as much as $50,000 per American household, mostly still unpaid. Meanwhile, economist Edward Wolff has calculated that the Great Recession and its aftermath cut the personal net worth of the median American household to $57,000 in 2010 from a figure nearly twice as high three years earlier. Comparing these assets and liabilities, we see that the American middle class now hovers on the brink of insolvency, with the cost of our foreign wars being a leading cause.

But no one involved in the debacle ultimately suffered any serious consequences, and most of the same prominent politicians and highly paid media figures who were responsible remain just as prominent and highly paid today. For most Americans, reality is whatever our media organs tell us, and since these have largely ignored the facts and adverse consequences of our wars in recent years, the American people have similarly forgotten. Recent polls show that only half the public today believes that the Iraq War was a mistake.

Author James Bovard has described our society as an “attention deficit democracy,” and the speed with which important events are forgotten once the media loses interest might surprise George Orwell.

 

As President George W. Bush began inexorably moving America toward the Iraq War in 2002, I realized with a terrible sinking feeling that the notoriously pro-Israel Neocon zealots had somehow managed to seize control of the foreign policy of his administration, a situation I could never have imagined even in my worst nightmare.

Throughout the 1990s and even afterward, I’d been on very friendly terms with the Neocons in NYC and DC, working closely with them on issues relating to immigration and assimilation. Indeed, my December 1999 article “California and the End of White America” was not only one of the longest cover stories ever published in Commentary, their intellectual flagship, but had even been cited as the centerpiece of its annual fund-raising letter.

I and my other DC friends were well aware of the fanatical views most Neocons held on Israel and Middle Eastern policy, with their foreign policy obsessions being a regular staple of our jokes and ridicule. But since it seemed unimaginable that they would ever be given any authority in that sphere, their beliefs had seemed a relatively harmless eccentricity. After all, could anyone possibly imagine fanatical libertarians being placed in total control of the Pentagon, allowing them to immediately disband the American armed forces as a “statist institution”?

Moreover, the complete ideological triumph of the Neocons after the 9/11 attacks was all the more shocking given the crushing recent defeat they had suffered. During the 2000 presidential campaign, nearly all of the Neocons had aligned themselves with Sen. John McCain, whose battle with Bush for the Republican nomination had eventually turned quite bitter, and as a consequence, they had been almost totally frozen out of high-level appointments. Both Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld were then widely regarded as Bush Republicans, lacking any significant Neocon ties, and the same was true for all the other top administration figures such as Colin Powell, Condeleeza Rice, and Paul O’Neil. Indeed, the only Neoconservative offered a Cabinet spot was Linda Chavez, and not only was the Labor Department always regarded as something of a boobie prize in a GOP Administration, but she was ultimately forced to withdraw her nomination due to her “nanny problems.” The highest-ranking Neocon serving under Bush was Rumsfeld Deputy Paul Wolfowitz, whose seemingly inconsequential appointment had passed without any notice.

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Most of the Neocons themselves certainly seemed to recognize the catastrophic loss they had suffered in the 2000 election. Back in those days, I was on very friendly terms with Bill Kristol, and when I stopped by his office at the Weekly Standard for a chat in the spring of 2001, he seemed in a remarkably depressed state of mind. I remember that at one point, he took his head in his hands and wondered aloud whether it was time for him to just abandon the political battle, resigning his editorship and taking up a quiet post at a DC thinktank. Yet just eight or ten months later, he and his close allies were on their way to gaining overwhelming influence in our government. In an eerie parallel to the aftermath of Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s Lenin in Zurich, the totally fortuitous 9/11 attacks and the outbreak of war had suddenly allowed a small but committed ideological faction to seize control of a gigantic country.

A thorough account of the Neocons and their takeover of the Bush Administration in the aftermath of 9/11 is provided by Dr. Stephen J. Sniegoski in his 2008 book The Transparent Cabal, conveniently available on this website:

 

Oddly enough, for many years after 9/11, I paid very little attention to the details of the attacks themselves. I was entirely preoccupied with building my content-archiving software system, and with the little time I could spend on public policy matters, I was totally focused to the ongoing Iraq War disaster, as well as my terrible fears that Bush might at any moment suddenly extend the conflict to Iran. Despite Neocon lies shamelessly echoed by our corrupt media, neither Iraq nor Iran had had anything whatsoever to do with the 9/11 attacks, so those events gradually faded in my consciousness, and I suspect the same was true for most other Americans. Al Qaeda had largely disappeared and Bin Laden was supposedly hiding in a cave somewhere. Despite endless Homeland Security “threat alerts,” there had been absolutely no further Islamic terrorism on American soil, and relatively little anywhere else outside the Iraq charnel house. So the precise details of the 9/11 plots had become almost irrelevant to me.

Others I knew seemed to feel the same way. Virtually all the exchanges I had with my old friend Bill Odom, the three-star general who had run the NSA for Ronald Reagan, had concerned the Iraq War and risk it might spread to Iran, as well as the bitter anger he felt toward Bush’s perversion of his beloved NSA into an extra-constitutional tool of domestic espionage. When the New York Times broke the story of the massive extent of domestic NSA spying, Gen. Odom declared that President Bush should be impeached and NSA Director Michael Hayden court-martialed. But in all the years prior to his untimely passing in 2008, I don’t recall the 9/11 attacks themselves even once coming up as a topic in our discussions.

During those same years, I’d also grown quite friendly with Alexander Cockburn, whose Counterpunch webzine seemed a very rare center of significant opposition to our disastrous foreign policy towards Iraq and Iran. I do recall that he once complained to me in 2006 about the “conspiracy nuts” of the 9/11 Truth movement who were endlessly harassing his publication, and I extended my sympathies. Each of us move in different political circles, and that brief reference may have been the first and only time I heard of the 9/11 Truthers during that period, causing me to regard them more like an eccentric UFO cult than anything else.

Admittedly, I’d occasionally heard of some considerable oddities regarding the 9/11 attacks here and there, and these certainly raised some suspicions. Most days I would glance at the Antiwar.com front page, and it seemed that some Israeli Mossad agents had been caught while filming that plane attacks in NYC, while a much larger Mossad “art student” spy operation around the country had also been broken up around the same time. Apparently, FoxNews had even broadcast a multi-part series on the latter topic before that expose was scuttled and “disappeared” under ADL pressure.

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Although I wasn’t entirely sure about the credibility of those claims, it did seem plausible that Mossad had known of the attacks in advance and allowed them to proceed, recognizing the huge benefits that Israel would derive from the anti-Arab backlash. I think I was vaguely aware that Antiwar.com editorial director Justin Raimondo had published The Terror Enigma, a short book about some of those strange facts, bearing the provocative subtitle “9/11 and the Israeli Connection,” but I never considered reading it. In 2007, Counterpunch itself published a fascinating follow-up story about the arrest of that group of Israeli Mossad agents in NYC, who were caught filming and apparently celebrating the plane attacks on that fateful day, and the Mossad activity seemed to be far larger than I had previously realized. But all these details remained a little fuzzy in my mind next to my overriding concerns about wars in Iraq and Iran.

 

However, by the end of 2008 my focus had begun to change. Bush was leaving office without having started an Iranian war, and America had successfully dodged the bullet of an even more dangerous John McCain administration. I assumed that Barack Obama would be a terrible president and he proved worse than my expectations, but I still breathed a huge sigh of relief every day that he was in the White House.

Moreover, around that same time I’d stumbled across an astonishing detail of the 9/11 attacks that demonstrated the remarkable depths of my own ignorance. In a Counterpunch article, I’d discovered that immediately following the attacks, the supposed terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden had publicly denied any involvement, even declaring that no good Muslim would have committed such deeds.

Once I checked around a little and fully confirmed that fact, I was flabbergasted. 9/11 was not only the most successful terrorist attack in the history of the world, but may have been greater in its physical magnitude than all past terrorist operations combined. The entire purpose of terrorism is to allow a small organization to show the world that it can inflict serious losses upon a powerful state, and I had never previously heard of any terrorist leader denying his role in a successful operation, let alone the greatest in history. Something seemed extremely wrong in the media-generated narrative that I had previously accepted. I began to wonder if I had been as deluded as the tens of millions of Americans in 2003 and 2004 who naively believed that Saddam had been the mastermind behind the September 11th attacks. We live in a world of illusions generated by our media, and I suddenly felt that I had noticed a tear in the paper-mache mountains displayed in the background of a Hollywood sound-stage. If Osama was probably not the author of 9/11, what other huge falsehoods had I blindly accepted?

A couple of years later, I came across a very interesting column by Eric Margolis, a prominent Canadian foreign policy journalist purged from the broadcast media for his strong opposition to the Iraq War. He had long published a weekly column in the Toronto Sun and when that tenure ended, he used his closing appearance to run a double-length piece expressing his very strong doubts about the official 9/11 story, noting that the former director of Pakistani Intelligence insisted that Israel had been behind the attacks.

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In addition, an old friend of mine with strong connections to elite French circles at some point shared what he regarded as an amusing anecdote. He mentioned that at a private dinner party in Paris attended by influential political and media figures, France’s former Defense Minister had told the other disbelieving guests that the Pentagon had been struck by a missile rather than a civilian jetliner. My friend explained that the minister in question was widely regarded as extremely intelligent and level-headed, thereby proving that even the most highly reputable individuals may sometimes believe in utterly crazy things.

But I interpreted those same facts very differently. France probably possessed one of the four or five best intelligence service in the world, and surely a French Defense Minister would be privy to better information about true events than a typical media pundit. In fact, one of the earliest books sharply questioning the official 9/11 narrative was 9/11: The Big Lie by French journalist Thierry Meyssan, which appeared in 2002. This book had similarly argued that the Pentagon had been struck by a missile, perhaps suggesting that it may have been partly influenced by leaks coming from French Intelligence.

I later shared that account of the French minister’s private opinions with a very well-connected American individual situated in our elite Establishment with whom I’d become a little friendly. His reaction made it clear that he held the same highly unorthodox views about the 9/11 attacks, although he had never publicly voiced them lest he risk losing his elite Establishment membership card.

I eventually discovered that in 2003 former German Cabinet Minister Andreas von Bülow had published a best-selling book strongly suggesting that the CIA rather than Bin Laden was behind the attacks, while in 2007 former Italian President Francesco Cossiga had similarly argued that the CIA and the Israeli Mossad had been responsible, claiming that fact was well known among Western intelligence agencies.

Over the years, all these discordant claims had gradually raised my suspicions about the official 9/11 story to extremely strong levels, but it was only very recently that I finally found the time to begin to seriously investigate the subject and read eight or ten of the main 9/11 Truther books, mostly those by Prof. David Ray Griffin, the widely acknowledged leader in that field. And his books, together with the writings of his numerous colleagues and allies, revealed all sorts of very telling details, most of which had previously remained unknown to me. I was also greatly impressed by the sheer number of seemingly reputable individuals of no apparent ideological bent who had become adherents of the 9/11 Truth movement over the years.

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I certainly attempted to locate contrary books supporting the official 9/11 story, but the only one widely discussed was a rather short volume published by Popular Mechanics magazine, whose lead researcher turned out to be the cousin of Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff. None of the writers appeared to have any serious academic credentials, and they seemed to generally ignore or deflect some of the strongest pieces of evidence provided by the numerous scholars and experts involved in the 9/11 Truth movement. Therefore I hardly found their rebuttal persuasive, and I half-wondered whether Homeland Security had quietly arranged the publication, which might help explain the extremely odd nepotistic coincidence. Popular magazines simply do not carry the scientific weight of research professors at major universities. Perhaps the holes in the official 9/11 narrative were so numerous and large that no serious scholar could be enlisted to defend it.

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When utterly astonishing claims of an extremely controversial nature are made over a period of many years by numerous seemingly reputable academics and other experts, and they are entirely ignored or suppressed but never effectively refuted, reasonable conclusions seem to point in an obvious direction. Based on my very recent readings in this topic, the total number of huge flaws in the official 9/11 story has now grown enormously long, probably numbering in the many dozens. Most of these individual items seem reasonably likely and if we decide that even just two or three of them are correct, we must totally reject the narrative that so many of us have believed for so long.

The numerous Griffin books, beginning with his important 2004 volume The New Pearl Harbor, provide a very helpful evolving compendium of these. Although they all contain a great deal of overlap I might emphasize Debunking 9/11 Debunking, a 2007 reply to the Popular Mechanics volume, and the 2008 book The New Pearl Harbor Revisited as among the more important ones. In addition, he co-edited an important 2007 collection of essays with scholar Peter Dale Scott entitled 9/11 and American Empire. For those too cheap or impatient to click a button and order something from Amazon, I’m pleased to provide three of the shorter Griffin books in HTML form:

 

Now I am obviously just an amateur in the complex intelligence craft of extracting nuggets of truth from a mountain of manufactured falsehood. Although the arguments of the 9/11 Truth Movement seem quite persuasive to me, I would obviously feel much more comfortable if they were seconded by an experienced professional, such as a top CIA analyst. A few years ago, I was shocked to discover that was indeed the case.

William Christison had spent 29 years at the CIA, rising to become one of its senior figures as Director of its Office of Regional and Political Analysis, with 200 research analysts serving under him. In August 2006, he published a remarkable 2,700 word article explaining why he no longer believed the official 9/11 story and felt sure that the 9/11 Commission Report constituted a cover-up, with the truth being quite different. The following year, he provided a forceful endorsement to one of Griffin’s books, writing that “[There's] a strong body of evidence showing the official U.S. Government story of what happened on September 11, 2001 to be almost certainly a monstrous series of lies.” And Christison’s extreme 9/11 skepticism was seconded by that of many other highly-regarded former US intelligence officers.

We might expect that if a former intelligence officer of Christison’s rank were to denounce the official 9/11 report as a fraud and a cover-up, such a story would constitute front-page news. But it was never reported anywhere in our mainstream media, and I only stumbled upon it a decade later.

Even our supposed “alternative” media outlets were nearly as silent. Throughout the 2000s, Christison and his wife Kathleen, also a former CIA analyst, had been regular contributors to Counterpunch, publishing many dozens of articles there and certainly were its most highly-credentialed writers on intelligence and national security matters. But editor Alexander Cockburn refused to publish any of their 9/11 skepticism, so it never came to my attention at the time. Indeed, when I mentioned Christison’s views to current Counterpunch editor Jeffrey St. Clair a couple of years ago, he was stunned to discover that the friend he had regarded so very highly had actually become a “9/11 Truther.” When media organs serve as ideological gatekeepers, a condition of widespread ignorance becomes unavoidable.

For those so interested, Christison’s 2006 article mentioned the strong evidence he found in a C-Span broadcast of a two-hour panel discussion on the September 11th terrorist attacks, and he especially cited the documentary Loose Change as an excellent summary of many of the flaws in the official 9/11 case. The full “Final Cut” version of that film is conveniently available on YouTube:

With so many gaping holes in the official story of the events seventeen years ago, each of us is free to choose to focus on those we personally consider most persuasive, and I have several of my own. Danish Chemistry professor Niels Harrit was one of the scientists who analyzed the debris of the destroyed buildings and detected the residual presence of nano-thermite, a military-grade explosive compound, and I found him quite credible during his hour-long interview on Red Ice Radio. The notion that an undamaged hijacker passport was found in an NYC street after the massive, fiery destruction of the skyscrapers is totally absurd, as was the claim that the top hijacker conveniently lost his luggage at one of the airports and it was found to contain a large mass of incriminating information. The testimonies of the dozens of firefighters who heard explosions just before the collapse of the buildings seems totally inexplicable under the official story. The sudden total collapse of Building Seven, never hit by any jetliners is also extremely implausible.

 

Let us now suppose that the overwhelming weight of evidence is correct, and concur with high-ranking former CIA intelligence analysts, distinguished academics, and experienced professionals that the 9/11 attacks were not what they appeared to be. We recognize the extreme implausibility that three huge skyscrapers in New York City suddenly collapsed at free-fall velocity into their own footprints after just two of them were hit by airplanes, and also that a large civilian jetliner probably did not strike the Pentagon leaving absolutely no wreckage and only a small hole. What actually did happen, and more importantly, who was behind it?

The first question is obviously impossible to answer without an honest and thorough official investigation of the evidence. Until that occurs, we should not be surprised that numerous, somewhat conflicting hypotheses have been advanced and debated within the confines of the 9/11 Truth community. But the second question is probably the more important and relevant one, and I think it has always represented a source of extreme vulnerability to 9/11 Truthers.

The most typical approach, as generally followed in the numerous Griffin books, is to avoid the issue entirely and focus solely on the gaping flaws in the official narrative. This is a perfectly acceptable position but leaves all sorts of serious doubts. What organized group would have been sufficiently powerful and daring to carry off an attack of such vast scale against the central heart of the world’s sole superpower? And how were they possibly able to orchestrate such a massively effective media and political cover-up, even enlisting the participation of the U.S. government itself?

The much smaller fraction of 9/11 Truthers who choose to address this “whodunit” question seem to be overwhelmingly concentrated among rank-and-file grassroots activists rather than the prestigious experts, and they usually answer “inside job!” Their widespread belief seems to be that the top political leadership of the Bush Administration, probably including Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, had organized the terrorist attacks, either with or without the knowledge of their ignorant nominal superior, President George W. Bush. The suggested motives included justifying military attacks against various countries, supporting the financial interests of the powerful oil industry and military-industrial complex, and enabling the destruction of traditional American civil liberties. Since the vast majority of politically-active Truthers seem to come from the far left of the ideological spectrum, they regard these notions as logical and almost self-evident.

Although not explicitly endorsing those Truther conspiracies, filmmaker Michael Moore’s leftist box office hit Fahrenheit 9/11 seemed to raise such similar suspicions. His small budget documentary earned an astonishing $220 million by suggesting that the very close business ties between the Bush family, Cheney, the oil companies, and the Saudis were responsible for the Iraq War aftermath of the terrorist attacks, as well as a domestic crackdown on civil liberties, which was part-and-parcel of the right-wing Republican agenda.

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Unfortunately, this apparently plausible picture seems to have almost no basis in reality. During the drive to the Iraq War, I read Times articles interviewing numerous top oil men in Texas who expressed total puzzlement at why America was planning to attack Saddam, saying that they could only assume that President Bush knew something that they themselves did not. Saudi Arabian leaders were adamantly opposed to an American attack on Iraq, and made every effort to prevent it. Prior to his joining the Bush Administration, Cheney had served as CEO of Halliburton, an oil services giant, and his firm had heavily lobbied for the lifting of U.S. economic sanctions against Iraq. Prof. James Petras, a scholar of strong Marxist leanings, published an excellent 2008 book entitled Zionism, Militarism, and the Decline of US Power in which he conclusively demonstrated that Zionist interests rather than those of the oil industry had dominated the Bush Administration in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, and promoted the Iraq War.

As for Michael Moore’s film, I remember at the time sharing a laugh with a (Jewish) friend of mine, both of us finding it ridiculous that a government so overwhelmingly permeated by fanatically pro-Israel Neocons was being portrayed as in thrall to the Saudis. Not only did the plot of Moore’s film demonstrate the fearsome power of Jewish Hollywood, but its huge success suggested that most of the American public had apparently never heard of the Neocons.

Bush critics properly ridiculed the president for his tongue-tied statement that the 9/11 terrorists had attacked America “for its freedoms” and Truthers have reasonably branded as implausible the claims that the massive attacks were organized by a cave-dwelling Islamic preacher. But the suggestion that that they were led and organized by the top figures of the Bush Administration seems even more preposterous.

Cheney and Rumsfeld had both spent decades as stalwarts of the moderate pro-business wing of the Republican Party, each serving in top government positions and also as CEOs of major corporations. The notion that they capped their careers by joining a new Republican administration in early 2001 and immediately set about organizing a gigantic false-flag terrorist attack upon the proudest towers of our largest city together with our own national military headquarters, intending to kill many thousands of Americans in the process, is too ridiculous to even be part of a leftist political satire.

 

Let’s step back a bit. In the entire history of the world, I can think of no documented case in which the top political leadership of a country launched a major false-flag attack upon its own centers of power and finance and tried to kill large numbers of its own people. The America of 2001 was a peaceful and prosperous country run by relatively bland political leaders focused upon the traditional Republican goals of enacting tax-cuts for the rich and reducing environmental regulations. Too many Truther activists have apparently drawn their understanding of the world from the caricatures of leftist comic-books in which corporate Republicans are all diabolical Dr. Evils, seeking to kill Americans out of sheer malevolence, and Cockburn was absolutely correct to ridicule them at least on that particular score.

Consider also the simple practicalities of the situation. The gigantic nature of the 9/11 attacks as postulated by the Truth movement would have clearly required enormous planning and probably involved the work of many dozens or even hundreds of skilled agents. Ordering CIA operatives or special military units to organize secret attacks against civilian targets in Venezuela or Yemen is one thing, but directing them to mount attacks against the Pentagon and the heart of New York City would be fraught with stupendous risk.

Bush had lost the popular vote in November 2000 and had only reached the White House because of a few dangling chads in Florida and the controversial decision of a deeply divided Supreme Court. As a consequence, most of the American media regarded his new administration with enormous hostility. If the first act of such a newly-sworn presidential team had been ordering the CIA or the military to prepare attacks against New York City and the Pentagon, surely those orders would have been regarded as issued by a group of lunatics, and immediately leaked to the hostile national press.

The whole scenario of top American leaders being the masterminds behind 9/11 is beyond ridiculous, and those 9/11 Truthers who make or imply such claims—doing so without a single shred of solid evidence—have unfortunately played a major role in discrediting their entire movement. In fact, the common meaning of the “inside job” scenario is so patently absurd and self-defeating that one might even suspect that the claim was encouraged by those seeking to discredit the entire 9/11 Truth movement as a consequence.

The focus on Cheney and Rumsfeld seems particularly ill-directed. Although I’ve never met nor had any dealings with either of those individuals, I was quite actively involved in DC politics during the 1990s, and can say with some assurance that prior to 9/11, neither of them were regarded as Neocons. Instead, they were the archetypical examples of moderate business-type mainstream Republicans, stretching all the way back to their years at the top of the Ford Administration during the mid-1970s.

Skeptics of this claim may note that they signed the 1997 declaration issued by the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), a leading Neocon foreign policy manifesto organized by Bill Kristol, but I would regard that as something of a red herring. In DC circles, individuals are always recruiting their friends to sign various declarations, which may or may not be indicative of anything, and I remember Kristol trying to get me to sign the PNAC statement as well. Since my private views on that issue were absolutely 100% contrary to the Neocon position, which I regarded as foreign policy lunacy, I deflected his request and very politely turned him down. But I was quite friendly with him at the time, so if I had been someone without strong opinions in that area, I probably would have agreed.

This raises a larger point. By 2000, the Neocons had gained almost total control of all the major conservative/Republican media outlets and the foreign policy wings of nearly all the similarly aligned thinktanks in DC, successfully purging most of their traditional opponents. So although Cheney and Rumsfeld were not themselves Neocons, they were swimming in a Neocon sea, with a very large fraction of all the information they received coming from such sources and with their top aides such as “Scooter” Libby, Paul Wolfowitz, and Douglas Feith being Neocons. Rumsfeld was already somewhat elderly while Cheney had suffered several heart-attacks starting at age 37, so under those circumstances it may have been relatively easy for them to be shifted toward certain policy positions.

Indeed, the entire demonization of Cheney and Rumsfeld in anti-Iraq War circles has seemed somewhat suspicious to me. I always wondered whether the heavily Jewish liberal media had focused its wrath upon those two individuals in order to deflect culpability from the Jewish Neocons who were the obvious originators of that disastrous policy; and the same may be true of the 9/11 Truthers, who probably feared accusations of anti-Semitism. Regarding that former issue, a prominent Israeli columnist was characteristically blunt on the matter in 2003, strongly suggesting that 25 Neocon intellectuals, nearly all of them Jewish, were primarily responsible for the war. Under normal circumstances, the president himself would have surely been portrayed as the evil mastermind behind the 9/11 plot, but “W” was too widely known for his ignorance for such accusations to be credible.

It does seem entirely plausible that Cheney, Rumsfeld, and other top Bush leaders may have been manipulated into taking certain actions that inadvertently furthered the 9/11 plot, while a few lower-level Bush appointees might have been more directly involved, perhaps even as outright conspirators. But I do not think this is the usual meaning of the “inside job” accusation.

 

So where do we now stand? It seems very likely that the 9/11 attacks were the work of an organization far more powerful and professionally-skilled than a rag-tag band of nineteen random Arabs armed with box-cutters, but also that the attacks were very unlikely to have been the work of the American government itself. So who actually attacked our country on that fateful day seventeen years ago, killing thousands of our fellow citizens?

Effective intelligence operations are concealed in a hall of mirrors, often extremely difficult for outsiders to penetrate, and false-flag terrorist attacks certainly fall into this category. But if we apply a different metaphor, the complexities of such events may be seen as a Gordian Knot, almost impossible to disentangle, but vulnerable to the sword-stroke of asking the simple question “Who benefited?”

America and most of the world certainly did not, and the disastrous legacy of that fateful day have transformed our own society and wrecked many other countries. The endless American wars soon unleashed have already cost us many trillions of dollars and set our nation on the road to bankruptcy while killing or displacing many millions of innocent Middle Easterners. Most recently, that resulting flood of desperate refugees has begun engulfing Europe, and the peace and prosperity of that ancient continent is now under severe threat.

Our traditional civil liberties and constitutional protections have been drastically eroded, with our society having taken long steps toward becoming an outright police state. American citizens now passively accept unimaginable infringements on their personal freedoms, all originally begun under the guise of preventing terrorism.

I find it difficult to think of any country in the world that clearly gained as a result of the 9/11 attacks and America’s military reaction, with one single, solitary exception.

During 2000 and most of 2001, America was a peaceful prosperous country, but a certain small Middle Eastern nation had found itself in an increasingly desperate situation. Israel then seemed to be fighting for its life against the massive waves of domestic terrorism that constituted the Second Palestinian Intifada.

Ariel Sharon was widely believed to have deliberately provoked that uprising in September 2000 by marching to the Temple Mount backed by a thousand armed police, and the resulting violence and polarization of Israeli society had successfully installed him as Prime Minister in early 2001. But once in office, his brutal measures failed to end the wave of continuing attacks, which increasingly took the form of suicide-bombings against civilian targets. Many believed that the violence might soon trigger a huge outflow of Israeli citizens, perhaps producing a death-spiral for the Jewish state. Iraq, Iran, Libya, and other major Muslim powers were supporting the Palestinians with money, rhetoric, and sometimes weaponry, and Israeli society seemed close to crumbling. I remember hearing from some of my DC friends that numerous Israeli policy experts were suddenly seeking berths at Neocon thinktanks so that they could relocate to America.

Sharon was a notoriously bloody and reckless leader, with a long history of undertaking strategic gambles of astonishing boldness, sometimes betting everything on a single roll of the dice. He had spent decades seeking the Prime Ministership, but having finally obtained it, he now had his back to the wall, with no obvious source of rescue in sight.

The 9/11 attacks changed everything. Suddenly the world’s sole superpower was fully mobilized against Arab and Muslim terrorist movements, especially those connected with the Middle East. Sharon’s close Neocon political allies in America used the unexpected crisis as an opportunity to seize control of America’s foreign policy and national security apparatus, with an NSA staffer later reporting that Israeli generals freely roamed the halls of the Pentagon without any security controls. Meanwhile, the excuse of preventing domestic terrorism was used to implement newly centralized American police controls that were employed to harass or even shut down various anti-Zionist political organizations. One of the Israeli Mossad agents arrested by the police in New York City as he and his fellows were celebrating the 9/11 attacks and producing a souvenir film of the burning World Trade Center towers told the officers that “We are Israelis…Your problems are our problems.” And so it immediately became.

General Wesley Clark reported that soon after the 9/11 attacks he was informed that a secret military plan had somehow come into being under which America would attack and destroy seven major Muslim countries over the next few years, including Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Libya, which coincidentally were all of Israel’s strongest regional adversaries and the leading supporters of the Palestinians. As America began to expend enormous oceans of blood and treasure attacking all of Israel’s enemies after 9/11, Israel itself no longer needed to do so. Partly as a consequence, almost no other nation in the world has so enormously improved its strategic and economic situation during the last seventeen years, even while a large fraction of the American population has become completely impoverished during that same period and our national debt has grown to insurmountable levels. A parasite can often grow fat even as its host suffers and declines.

 

I have emphasized that for many years after the 9/11 attacks I paid little attention to the details and had only the vaguest notion that there even existed an organized 9/11 Truth movement. But if someone had ever convinced me that the terrorist attacks had been false-flag operations and someone other than Osama had been responsible, my immediate guess would have been Israel and its Mossad.

Certainly no other nation in the world can remotely match Israel’s track-record of remarkably bold high-level assassinations and false-flag attacks, terrorist and otherwise, against other countries, even including America and its military. Furthermore, the enormous dominance of Jewish and pro-Israel elements in the American establishment media and increasingly that of many other major countries in the West has long ensured that even when the solid evidence of such attacks was discovered, very few ordinary Americans would ever hear those facts.

The pattern of behavior is really quite remarkable. Even prior to the establishment of the State of Israel, the various Zionist factions assassinated Lord Moyne, the British Minister for the Middle East, and Count Folke Bernadotte, the UN Peace Negotiator, and made unsuccessful attempts to kill President Harry S. Truman and British Foreign Minister Ernest Bevin, while even discussing the possible assassination of Prime Minister Winston Churchill. There seems considerable evidence that the Israeli Mossad subsequently played a central role in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy because of the enormous pressure he was applying to persuade Israel to abandon its nuclear weapons development. Mossad defector Victor Ostrovsky warned the American government that Israel was planning to assassinate President George H.W. Bush in the early 1990s due to the bitter conflict over financial aid, and apparently those warnings were taken seriously. As recently as 2012, the editor of the largest Jewish newspaper in Atlanta publicly called for the assassination of President Barack Obama over his policy differences with Israel.

The history of military and terrorist attacks is even more striking. One of history’s largest terrorist attacks prior to 9/11 was the 1946 bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem by Zionist militants dressed as Arabs, which killed 91 people and largely destroyed the structure. In the famous Lavon Affair of 1954, Israeli agents launched a wave of terrorist attacks against Western targets in Egypt, intending to have those blamed on anti-Western Arab groups. There are strong claims that in 1950 Israeli Mossad agents launched a wave of false-flag terrorist bombings against Jewish targets in Baghdad, successfully using those violent methods to help persuade Iraq’s thousand-year Jewish community to emigrate to the Jewish state. In 1967, Israel launched a deliberate air and sea attack against the U.S.S. Liberty, intending to leave no survivors, and ultimately killing or wounding over 200 American servicemen before word of the attack reached our Sixth Fleet and it was called off.

The enormous extent of pro-Israel influence in world political and media circles meant that none of these brutal attacks ever drew serious retaliation, and in nearly all cases, they were quickly thrown down the memory hole, so that today probably no more than one in a hundred Americans is even aware of them. Furthermore, most of these incidents came to light due to chance circumstances, so we may easily suspect that many other attacks of a similar nature have never become part of the historical record.

 

Once we accept that the 9/11 attacks were probably a false-flag operation, a central clue to the likely perpetrators has been their extraordinary success in ensuring that such a wealth of enormously suspicious evidence has been totally ignored by virtually the entire American media, whether liberal or conservative, left-wing or right-wing.

The only other such extreme cases that come to my mind almost invariably involve either Jewish issues or Israel. For example, virtually no Americans are today aware of the close Nazi-Zionist economic partnership of the 1930s that played a crucial role in the establishment of the State of Israel. Similarly, although our Western media has enshrined it as one of the central events of the twentieth century, there seems a good likelihood that the Jewish Holocaust of the Second World War is either substantially or almost entirely fraudulent. Even highly successful false-flag terrorist operations will tend to leave behind a certain number of individual clues, and possessing the media power to cause that evidence to vanish from perceived reality is an extremely important tool for such operations.

In the particular case at hand, the considerable number of zealously pro-Israel Neocons situated just beneath the public surface of the Bush Administration in 2001 could have greatly facilitated both the successful organization of the attacks and their effective cover-up and concealment, with Libby, Wolfowitz, Feith, and Richard Perle being merely the most obvious names. Whether such individuals were knowing conspirators or merely had personal ties allowing them to be exploited in furthering the plot is entirely unclear.

Most of this information must surely have long been apparent to knowledgeable observers, and I strongly suspect that many individuals who had paid much greater attention than myself to the details of the 9/11 attacks may have quickly formed a tentative conclusion along these same times. But for obvious social and political reasons, there is a great reluctance to publicly point the finger of blame towards Israel on a matter of such enormous magnitude. Hence, except for a few fringe activists here and there, such dark suspicions remained private.

Meanwhile, the leaders of the 9/11 Truth movement probably feared they would be destroyed by media accusations of deranged anti-Semitism if they had ever expressed even a whisper of such ideas. This political strategy may have been necessary, but by failing to name any plausible culprit, they created a vacuum that was soon filled by “useful idiots” who shouted “inside job!” while pointing an accusing finger toward Cheney and Rumfeld, and thereby did so much to discredit the entire 9/11 Truth movement.

 

This unfortunate conspiracy of silence finally ended in 2009 when Dr. Alan Sabrosky, former Director of Studies at the US Army War College, stepped forward and publicly declared that the Israeli Mossad had very likely been responsible for the 9/11 attacks, writing a series of columns on the subject, and eventually presenting his views in a number of media interviews, along with additional analyses.

Obviously, such explosive charges never reached the pages of my morning Times, but they did receive considerable if transitory coverage in portions of the alternative media, and I remember seeing the links very prominently featured at Antiwar.com and widely discussed elsewhere. I had never previously heard of Sabrosky, so I consulted my archiving system and immediately discovered that he had a perfectly respectable record of publication on military affairs in mainstream foreign policy periodicals and had also held a series of academic appointments at prestigious institutions. Reading one or two of his articles on 9/11, I felt he made a rather persuasive case for Mossad involvement, with some of his information already known to me but much of it not.

Since I was very busy with my software work and had never spent any time investigating 9/11 or reading any of the books on the topic, my belief in his claims back then was obviously quite tentative. But now that I have finally looked into the topic in much greater detail and done a great deal of reading, I think it seems quite likely that his 2009 analysis was entirely correct.

I would particularly recommend his long 2011 interview on Iranian Press TV, which I first watched just a couple of days ago. He came across as highly credible and forthright in his claims:

He also provided a pugnacious conclusion in a much longer 2010 radio interview:

Sabrosky focused much of his attention upon a particular segment of a Dutch documentary film on the 9/11 attacks produced several years earlier. In that fascinating interview, a professional demolition expert named Danny Jowenko who was largely ignorant of the 9/11 attacks immediately identified the filmed collapse of WTC Building 7 as a controlled-demolition, and the remarkable clip was broadcast worldwide on Press TV and widely discussed across the Internet.

And by a very strange coincidence, just three days after Jowenko’s broadcast video interview had received such heavy attention, he had the misfortune to die in a frontal collision with a tree in Holland. I’d suspect that the community of professional demolition experts is a small one, and Jowenko’s surviving industry colleagues may have quickly concluded that serious misfortune might visit those who rendered controversial expert opinions on the collapse of the three World Trade Center towers.

Meanwhile, the ADL soon mounted a huge and largely successful effort to have Press TV banned in the West for promoting “anti-Semitic conspiracy theories,” even persuading YouTube to entirely eliminate the huge video archive of those past shows, notably including Sabrosky’s long interview.

Most recently, Sabrosky provided an hour-long presentation at this June’s Deep Truth video panel conference, during which he expressed considerable pessimism about America’s political predicament, and suggested that the Zionist control over our politics and media had grown even stronger over the last decade.

His discussion was soon rebroadcast by Guns & Butter, a prominent progressive radio program, which as a consequence was soon purged from its home station after seventeen years of great national popularity and strong listener support.

The late Alan Hart, a very distinguished British broadcast journalist and foreign correspondent, also broke his silence in 2010 and similarly pointed to the Israelis as the likely culprits behind the 9/11 attacks. Those interested may wish to listen to his extended interview.

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Journalist Christopher Bollyn was one of the first writers to explore the possible Israeli links to the 9/11 attacks, and the details contained in his long series of newspaper articles are often quoted by other researchers. In 2012, he gathered together this material and published it in the form of a book entitled Solving 9-11, thereby making his information on the possible role of the Israeli Mossad available to a much wider audience, with a version being available online. Unfortunately his printed volume severely suffers from the typical lack of resources available to the writers on the political fringe, with poor organization and frequent repetition of the same points due to its origins in a set of individual articles, and this may diminish its credibility among some readers. So those who purchase it should be forewarned about these serious stylistic weaknesses.

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Probably a much better compendium of the very extensive evidence pointing to the Israeli hand behind the 9/11 attacks has been more recently provided by French journalist Laurent Guyénot, both in his 2017 book JFK-9/11: 50 Years of the Deep State and also his 8,500 word article “9/11 was an Israeli Job”, published concurrently with this one and providing a far greater wealth of detail than is contained here. While I would not necessarily endorse all of his claims and arguments, his overall analysis seems fully consistent with my own.

 

These writers have provided a great deal of material in support of the Israeli Mossad Hypothesis, but I would focus attention on just one important point. We would normally expect that terrorist attacks resulting in the complete destruction of three gigantic office buildings in New York City and an aerial assault on the Pentagon would be an operation of enormous size and scale, involving very considerable organizational infrastructure and manpower. In the aftermath of the attacks, the US government undertook great efforts to locate and arrest the surviving Islamic conspirators, but scarcely managed to find a single one. Apparently, they had all died in the attacks themselves or otherwise simply vanished into thin air.

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But without making much effort at all, the American government did quickly round up and arrest some 200 Israeli Mossad agents, many of whom had been based in exactly the same geographical locations as the purported 19 Arab hijackers. Furthermore, NYC police arrested some of these agents while they were publicly celebrating the 9/11 attacks, and others were caught driving vans in the New York area containing explosives or their residual traces. Most of these Mossad agents refused to answer any questions, and many of those who did failed polygraph tests, but under massive political pressure all were eventually released and deported back to Israel. A couple of years ago, much of this information was very effectively presented in a short video available on YouTube.

There is another fascinating tidbit that I have very rarely seen mentioned. Just a month after the 9/11 attacks, two Israelis were caught sneaking weapons and explosives into the Mexican Parliament building, a story that naturally produced several banner-headlines in leading Mexican newspapers at the time but was greeted by total silence in the American media. Eventually, under massive political pressure, all charges were dropped and the Israeli agents were deported back home. This remarkable incident was only reported on a small Hispanic-activist website, and discussed in a few other places. Some years ago I easily found the scanned front pages of the Mexican newspapers reporting those dramatic events on the Internet, but I can no longer easily locate them. The details are obviously somewhat fragmentary and possibly garbled, but certainly quite intriguing.

One might speculate that if supposed Islamic terrorists had followed up their 9/11 attacks by attacking and destroying the Mexican parliament building a month later, Latin American support for America’s military invasions in the Middle East would have been greatly magnified. Furthermore, any scenes of such massive destruction in the Mexican capital by Arab terrorists would surely have been broadcast non-stop on Univision, America’s dominant Spanish-language network, fully solidifying Hispanic support for President Bush’s military endeavors.

 

Although my growing suspicions about the 9/11 attacks stretch back a decade or more, my serious investigation of the topic is quite recent, so I am certainly a newcomer to the field. But sometimes an outsider can notice things that may escape the attention of those who have spent so many years deeply immersed in a given topic.

From my perspective, it seems that a huge fraction of the 9/11 Truth community spends far too much of its time absorbed in the particular details of the attacks, debating the precise method by which the World Trade Center towers in New York were brought down or what actually struck the Pentagon. But these sorts of issues seem of little ultimate significance.

I would argue that the only important aspect of these technical issues is whether the overall evidence is sufficiently strong to establish the falsehood of the official 9/11 narrative and also demonstrate that the attacks must have been the work of a highly sophisticated organization with access to advanced military technology rather than rag-tag band of 19 Arabs armed with box-cutters. Beyond that, none of those details matter.

In that regard, I believe that the volume of factual material collected by determined researchers over the last seventeen years has easily met that requirement, perhaps even ten or twenty times over. For example, even agreeing upon a single particular item such as the clear presence of nano-thermite, a military-grade explosive compound, would immediately satisfy those two criteria. So I see little point in endless debates over whether nano-thermite was used, or nano-thermite plus something else, or just something else entirely. And such complex technical debates may serve to obscure the larger picture, while confusing and intimidating any casually-interested outlookers, thereby being quite counter-productive to the overall goals of the 9/11 Truth movement.

Once we have concluded that the culprits were part of a highly-sophisticated organization, we can then focus on the Who and the Why, which surely would be of greater importance than the particular details of the How. Yet currently all the endless debate over the How tends to crowd out the Who and the Why, and I wonder whether this unfortunate situation might even be intentional.

Perhaps one reason is that once sincere 9/11 Truthers do focus on those more important questions, the vast weight of the evidence clearly points in a single direction, implicating Israel and its Mossad intelligence service, with the case being overwhelmingly strong in motive, means, and opportunity. And leveling accusations of blame at Israel and its domestic collaborators for the greatest attack ever launched against America on our own soil entails enormous social and political risks.

But such difficulties must be weighed against the reality of three thousand American civilian lives and the subsequent seventeen years of our multi-trillion-dollar wars, which have produced tens of thousands of dead or wounded American servicemen and the death or displacement of many millions of innocent Middle Easterners.

The members of the 9/11 Truth movement must therefore ask themselves whether or not “Truth” is indeed the central goal of their efforts.

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  1. tac says:

    Ron, Thank you for posting on article on the 17th anniversary of 9/11!

    All one has to do is to notice the successive squibs on the successive floors just below the collapsing line to notice that the floors were indeed wired for demolition:

    Slow motion collapse of WTC:

    The New Pearl Harbor (one of the best 9/11 documentaries about 5 hrs) (thanks to L.K.):

    THE ANATOMY OF A GREAT DECEPTION – How 9-11 Woke Me Up – David Hooper Film: https://vimeo.com/106233510

    Pentagon https://youtu.be/rn3A3c_FAOw

    Pentagon flight recorder mystery (excellent review of flight 77 flight recorder): https://youtu.be/mmGi5YeQ_Bw

    9/11 zero: https://youtu.be/3puhwRQMhZY

    21 Recorded Tower/Command Calls, NOT BELIEFS-9/11 World Trade Center Attacks-Drones Intercepting:

    30 AUGUST 2018 — Corbett Report interview by James Corbett with Mick Harrison and David Meiswinkle who discuss the First Amended Grand Jury Petition and the follow-up Mandamus filing:

    https://lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org/video-interviews/

    https://www.911tap.org/557-news-releases/736-lawyers-file-doj-petition-demanding-9-11-grand-jury-investigation

    http://truthinmedia.com/lawyers-family-members-petition-grand-jury-investigation-9-11/

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  2. Alan Reid says:

    For every truth seekers considerations….
    So, Would anyone like to take a crack explaining the fact of the 99 day long fire on the “GROUND ZERO” site?

    Well for nearly 10 years i have been doing just that…

    I have seen Zero refutations for my theory.

    FDNY called the end of fire on December 19 2001.

    Now what could have caused a rubble filled concrete basement to burn for 99 days?

    What could have caused reports of boots melting,molten steel,Like a foundry and shit like the ‘Meteorite’?

    How do you get 1200 degree temperature measurements from a satellite Infrared thermography a month after the event?

    Every single rescue dog that worked that pile is DEAD, Most of the persons that worked that pile are sick or dead.

    Sure there was and asbestos part to play,A certain americium touch from the Smoke detectors,and a mercury component…. but do you think the damage from asbestos and those others would be limited to the first responders …??

    These two ground breaking worlds tallest buildings both had a device installed on the 110 floor, Floor space of VERY coveted nature for TV and radio equipment.. Space measured by the inch for it’s placement at the top of those towers…

    That device was known as a tuned mass damper system… A system that made the very flexible towers work in the New York winds…. With out them working the tower had to be evacuated lest the occupants be made seasick from the swaying. If you worked near the top and had to endure this you would never set foot in this building again from the fear.

    Now this Tuned Mass Damper is a well understood thing in very tall buildings, The mass is used to counteract the wind loading and spring back effect of counter loading turbulence around the outside of the square tube structure.

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    A building like this had to have a very advanced version of a TMD to make the building safe, An active tuned mass damper system. The mass was controlled by a series of connections like Shock Absorbers, These were used to digitally modulate the motions of the damper to increase the efficiency of the system and give it a better damping signature in the environment they worked.

    I contend the main portion of those dampers the mass part were made of two parts a concrete box with a steel bottom plating and a filling of Uranium-238 granules for the mass part. With the limited and costly space requirements this would be the most efficient material to use to do this work, And had a secondary use…. After life of the structure had expired.

    Uranium-238 is what is known a pyrophoric substance.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrophoricity

    If you get it hot enough it will burn until it is totally consumed, Now i have never intentionally burned 600 PLUS TONS of U-238 but i can tell you it will burn in excess of 5600 degrees… And it’s not going to burn fast either…. But rather as a process over time according to the environment it is contained.

    Each tower had a TMD system, Each of those systems was over 600 tons i weight. That 600 tons of weight was directly over the top of the express elevator shaft… That shaft having only a few parts of obstruction to the basements. Or to say it another way… Only a few secondary explosions away from a perfect drop chute from the bottom of the damper to the lower parking levels of each tower.

    Once burning there is no hope of putting out these fires. And has anyone else noted the symptoms of the men working at ‘GROUND ZERO” have the same traits of GULF WAR SYNDROME???

    So you have read the claim i have about the fire that burned for 99 days without any added fuel. I claim these men are victims of a Uranium-238 fire from structural building components.

    But the Structural components part is SECONDARY to the main use for all that uranium, Evidence disposal.

    Or to say it another way… The twin towers were built from day one with this 9/11 event in mind.

    Later on i will let you all in on how they used sheet explosives to do the demo… That too was built in from day one of this project.

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    Anyone want to hear the other bit?

    Fuck it here goes….

    Now this theory has had some years work to fit the many claims into a tolerable narrative of the Demo and WHY it was a demo.
    I started with the video record, I watched every frame over and over again, All the angles and from all the vantage points.
    Then i looked at the things needed to make the video possible, That took some doing.
    Then i looked at the gravity of building a pair of towers in the heart of the financial district…. The shit i saw in doing this was stunning…
    So to part one.
    By now everyone that is thinking and sane can tell these towers were victims of 3 controlled demolition. Much has been said to cloud and obfuscate what really happened, Read (mini-nukes),(Nano-thermate),(Thermite). but all that is just plain Crap. Reach over flip the lever and flush it down.
    There has been a gargantuan play book of the towers were weak and near ready to fall bullshit flowing from many angles, Well i will just tell you that is also Crap,Flush #2.

    That being flushed into the septic tank we can move on to INSURANCE and the persons that play that game…Now you don’t get involved in something like a pair of 1400 foot tall buildings without having given the matter some serious thought, And given the real estate the were being built on the entire lifespan of them HAD to be dealt with from the first shovel full of dirt to their eventual removal after they had reached their end of life cycle. Many of the structures in this sort of environment have similar regulatory constraints on their construction and many of them fall into the ‘If shit goes bad WHAT THEN’ category.

    Insurance fellows are annoyingly like screaming toddlers about liability and who is on the hook if shit does indeed go bad…. They produce scenario after scenario to cover their asses and avoid having to pay out huge sums of cash. These towers are perfect examples of this game theory run amok.
    You could not do anything until these forces have a compelling path to fallow from point ‘A’ to point ‘Z’ with them still holding all that loot.

    This is where it gets real good. If you want to put this pair of worlds tallest buildings on the WTC site you had to assure them they would never fear about the liability. Being so tall they were a natural for aircraft crashes, So they had to be strong enough to withstand SEVERAL Boeing 707 aircraft hitting them( you may be wrong if you think you know what ‘Several’ actually means. I think the real number was 6, but some say the game scape went to assurances up to seven of them.

    Now the regulators demanded that above all the other dangers of very tall structures these ones had to fend off some serious threats.
    So fire and terrorism or any other threat the other buildings surrounding these structures might have to endure had to have thick volumes of assurance that none of them would visit… Pucker factor #1 for the engineers. Then they had to deal with the eventual ‘What to do after they are rusted junk and need to be removed’ part of the whole scheme… Pucker factor #2. But wait it gets even better, The common industry method of this part of a building like these would produce a HUGE level of LIABILITY ot the owners of these structures… and here is where you will have to do some life sentences to the men that OK’d this plan… They decided that Yes they will eventually have to be brought down and yes there was going to be some real bank killing damages to their cash flows, So what to do….

    Call in the Big gun Lawyers and run the game engine until the whole mess is gravy… so what did they think up? Deflect liability with legislation about ‘Acts of Terror’
    Once they had a plan they went to the engineers and said ‘Well, what do you think, Can you do it?’ And the pay loving engineer set said sure thin boss not a problem at all.

    Once they had a mandate they started to work out the logistics of covering all the bases in regard what was needed to make it all work, If they but Apollo they will buy ANYTHING. So the put to work, First need was a plan to make the perfect demo job for a building that was not even on paper yet, The problem was that for all the chess pieces to have enough room on the board much of the demo work had to be built into the structure at the initial stages of assembly, but taking a page from the NASA boys they came up with the corrugated floor pans that every single floor would eventually be built.

    Those would be made from two near identical sheets formed so as when they were put together there was enough space in between for a RDX charge just thick enough to do the job, then the two sheets and the sheet explosive were induction welded on every seam to ‘ADD strength’ and bond it into one single unit… Then they made the entire puzzle of this building with these units, I don’t recall the number of them but their was a shit load of them. Every floor was started with those pans in a grid, and once the concrete was poured, Nobody would ever know that the towers had a bomb on every single floor hidden away in those units. Part one of the big show was in play, the time was the early days of construction.

    The next big deal need was to deal with all the structural steel this pair was built.. This one needed some real intense thinking, but scum bag engineers had a book full of nasty shit to pull for those that pay the bills and supply the power they want… so they went to work and thought up the Asbestos fireproofing. I think the term used was ” I got an angle’ and like that Stern went bonkers and the towers were liberally coated with the then known carcinogenic substance, and just to up the nasty meter even higher they tiled much of the floor work with tiles of the same shit Asbestos… What they wanted was an excuse to later do a bunch of refitting of that material fuck up and do some EXTRA additions…in the form of copper shape charges, once they applied the charges they re applied the new fireproofing and nobody was any wiser and they had part two dealt with, so now on to part three…

    What the fuck do we do with all the required records of all this clandestine work done to these towers that they needed to keep that fall going right on target of that foot print… Well like most they shoved it all into the basements for ‘Safe keeping’ as the day drew near they hoovered up a shitload of the bullion stored there and removed it, leaving a token amount to point at.,,

    That’s where our previous friend the TMD came in, It’s job was to ensure every single thing used to make the whole sick plan work every drawing every inventory every blueprint every single computer file EVERYTHING that could convict them of this crime was totally destroyed 100%… Sounds like a job for a blast furnace to me chimed one of the minions and the U-238 TMD was GO!

    After enough time had passed and the big show drew near they had a power down pow-wow and installed all the logic and detonators, all the delays and other bits needed to do in stuff like the elevators and other large shit like the hat truss and associated gear, into the Free spaces above everyone’s head hidden away inside the ceiling spaces waited a command from building #7 that had similar work done to it’s structure… All that remained was the holy fucking shit of 2 aircraft crashes. and the play was ready to start.

    Everyone was a witness to the events, everyone saw the falling man, Everyone saw the smoke and fire… and everyone bought the instantaneous lies that came pouring out of every single yammering bobble head working in TeeVeee land… Bought the lies that came form the highest positions of power. They paid BILLIONS upon BILLIONS to get this show started and they went nuts like no other before them, they blew the shit out of several countries in the Mid-East, they looted every single bar of gold they could lay their grimy blood soaked hands on and sat back and dared you to think about the height of their super crime and do anything.

    We now sit here nearing the end of 2018, Not one of the persons with the blood on their hands is even being looked at let alone dealt with…. Because you did not get my memo… Well you cannot un-ring the bell no matter how hard you try… Now do your fucking job America and deal with this event before you all regret not doing so.

    Time is short now folks, The ball is in your court…

  3. Greg S. says:

    There are so many fascinating, unexplained things about 9/11. Here are my top three:

    1) Follow the money. I believe it is a 100% verifiable fact is that there was insider trading prior to 9/11. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44741.htm

    2) It’s been well documented that the WTC buildings were not full that day. Hundreds stayed home. Either you can say it’s subconscious physic abilities at work (which I don’t discount) or people knew something was going to happen. The planes used were also less than half full. And the pentagon section hit was nearly deserted relative to normal sections. Do you believe in luck, reader?

    3) A retired pilot, Philip Marshall, who believed 9/11 was an inside job and later committed suicide, tried to re-create the flights using a flight simulator. He claimed he could not do it. The angles and speeds that the planes were supposed to have travelled were beyond expert level flying and beyond the capabilities of the airplanes themselves. The actual film of the WTC planes confirms this, so it’s not debatable. The pentagon plane was supposed to have done a full throttle, tight corkscrew descent right into the target and this proved virtually impossible to redo. Among other questions, it begs the question why amateur hijackers would choose such paths, let alone pull them off flawlessly.

  4. There’s a lot to chew over here. Thank you.

  5. The Scalpel says: • Website

    This is the most incontovertible piece of evidence that building 7 was a controlled demolition. I have never heard another plausible explanation for how three television networks can seemingly broadcast prior knowledge of the collapse. The sole plausible explanation being that some reputable party who was aware the demolition would take place and was tasked with informing the networks, got the timing wrong and informed them a bit before the fact.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP2t9nq9fI

    • Replies: @Haxo Angmark
    , @milosevic
  6. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:

    Wow, Ron’s finally woken up.

    Welcome to the real world, Mr. Unz!

    • Replies: @lavoisier
    , @Anon
    , @Curmudgeon
  7. Thomm says:

    Fail.

    This ‘truther’ schtick is absurd. Remember that Radical Muslims also did a number of other large terrorist attacks outside the US (such as London 2005, Madrid 2004, Mumbai 2006, Kenya and Tanzania 1998, Beirut Marine Barracks 1983, Bali 2002, France 2015, etc.). The notion that the biggest one was a false flag is absurd, because to believe that, one has to ignore the large number of other attacks that Radical Muslims have undertaken.

  8. Sparkon says:

    I‘ve already written quite a bit about 9/11 at UR, so I’m happy to see this article by our host Ron Unz, and since I am fatigued after a long journey, I will gladly take the opportunity to refer to some of my earlier work here:

    There are several quibbles. Nano-thermite is a weak explosive. To quote myself:

    Yawning footnotes:

    ¹ Explosive velocities of high explosives: DDF – 10,000mps HMX – 9,100mps RDX – 8,750mps TNT – 6,900MPS compared with Jones’ Thermite @ 300-895mps

    ² Using USGS Report #01-0429 as Google search argument,
    I have located and reviewed these USGS documents:

    • Environmental Studies of the World Trade Center area after the September 11, 2001 attack
    • Particle Atlas of World Trade Center Dust
    • Chemical compositions of the WTC dusts and girder coating material

    There is no mention of “thermite” or “nanothermite” that I could find in any of these official USGS documents on WTC dust.

    http://www.unz.com/article/creative-chaos/#comment-2347257

    Magic Airplanes:

    Michael Hezarkhani, CNN
    via 911planeshoax dot com

    http://www.unz.com/article/revisiting-911-betty-ong-and-the-mystery-of-black-betty/#comment-2314925

    Back to Black Betty:

    In this photo from The S.F. Examiner, we see that Betty Ong’s memorial has the Chinese characters 鄧月薇 (Deng Yuewei) below her name in English: Betty (Bee) Ann Ong.

    So how did Betty Ong acquire the additional Chinese name?

    http://www.unz.com/article/revisiting-911-betty-ong-and-the-mystery-of-black-betty/#comment-2303125

    Here, the last word — for now — goes to George W. Bush:

    The TV was obviously on.

  9. The Scalpel says: • Website

    Another mistake in execution that supports Ron’s assertion that it was not an insider job (Cheney Rumsfeld, etc.)

    Flight 93 did not (could not possibly) crash whole into the ground.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/unanswered-questions-the-mystery-of-flight-93-173206.html

    ” The wide displacement of the plane’s debris, one explanation for which might be an explosion of some sort aboard prior to the crash. Letters – Flight 93 was carrying 7,500 pounds of mail to California – and other papers from the plane were found eight miles (13km) away from the scene of the crash. A sector of one engine weighing one ton was found 2,000 yards away. This was the single heaviest piece recovered from the crash, and the biggest, apart from a piece of fuselage the size of a dining-room table. The rest of the plane, consistent with an impact calculated to have occurred at 500mph, disintegrated into pieces no bigger than two inches long. Other remains of the plane were found two miles away near a town called Indian Lake. All of these facts, widely disseminated, were confirmed by the coroner Wally Miller.”

    The plane had to be shot down, and Cheney probably had to give the order. He was not planning on this. This, clearly, was not supposed to be how it happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5GgZa9V0A8

    • Agree: Otterboy
  10. Cyrano says:

    There are 2 types of deceptions. 1. External 2. Internal. External is when someone lies to you, internal is when you lie to yourself.

    1. Propaganda is an example of external deception, or these days also called – fake news.

    2. Conspiracy theories are examples of Internal deception. Conspiracy theories can also originate outside the individual, but quite often, the individual adds to the content that originated outside of him-self.

    There are few differences between external deception victims and self-deception victims. The narratives of propaganda are usually very simple – to the point of absurdity – so even the dumbest simpleton can digest them.

    The narrative of a conspiracy theory is like from a Tom Clancy novel, it has an exciting plot and can easily make a best-selling grade novel – but usually it’s as truthful as propaganda. I will give credit to conspiracy theorists that they are usually more intelligent than the consumers of propaganda.

    The conspiracy theorists are also proactive –as I said, they like to add some content to the stories that they’ve heard, where propaganda consumers are just passive receptors who don’t offer any improvements on the content of propaganda.

    The other credit that I would give to the conspiracy theorists is that they are usually well-meaning people. Where the writers of propaganda are some of the most really, truly evil people. But enough of my theories about propaganda and conspiracies.

    Do I believe in the 9/11 conspiracy theories? I don’t. Why? Because it wasn’t necessary for the neocons to take such a huge risk in order to “win” Americans’ approval for another war. Why are there inconsistencies in the official story of 9/11? Because they were protecting Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia and their oil are the main supporters of the dollar. If the US public turned against SA – which in turn started selling oil for anything other than the dollar, US economy would be pretty much finished.

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @AB_Anonymous
    , @Precious
  11. Anonymous[718] • Disclaimer says:

    Wow. Great work Ron!

    About the oil connection. I don’t think 9/11 was necessarily run at the behest of oil companies like Michael Moore suggested, but on a much higher level the control of oil is central to why 9/11 happened and is completely consistent with Neocon ideology.

    The key was to keep the flow of oil to Europe under Neocon control. This means Saudis, Kuwait, and Qatar supplying the oil and gas and not Iran and Russia.

    Pepe Escobar has written about this a lot and dubs it Pipelinestan. Since these Middle Eastern countries are beholden to sell oil for dollars, it makes sense to push out interlopers like Iran and Russia.

    This explains why we are at war with Syria since it is a key player in who’s pipelines win, and thus who gets to print money at will.

    This was before One Belt One Road, but the same principles apply only now it is even more important for the Neocons to win there.

    • Replies: @tac
    , @gsjackson
  12. I like the way Ron Unz details the journey undertaken from a point of unquestioning acceptance of the official narrative to the point of questioning every bit of it.

    Lie to me just once and that’s it, we’re done! The key point here is the awareness that those aligned against the American people are utterly utterly ruthless but should Americans ever respond with equal ruthlessness, well that would be just hatred.

    For years now we’ve all heard of “our” brave heroes in uniform but there’s barely been a squeak heard from any of them on this crucial matter.

  13. Biff says:

    One question:
    If no airplanes flew into the buildings including the pentagon, where did they and the passengers go?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anon
    , @gritzle75
  14. Re the claimed decreases in crime rates in cities with a massive influx of immigrants from south of the border, this is most likely due to the ethnic cleansing of blacks by better armed and organized latino gangs. Hispanic violent crime rates are typically 2-3 times White rates, while Black rates are 5-7 times White rates. Therefore if you just look at rates within these cities you could expect to see statistically significant decreases in crime. As you say, more studies are needed, but I think this is the likely explanation.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=latino+gang+blacks+california+cities+%22ethnic+cleansing%22&t=ffsb&ia=images

    • Replies: @bucky
    , @Anon
  15. Treg says:

    Excellent essay! I would like to give you two sources to round this excellent essay off. 1) http://www.debunking911.com and 2) Corbett Reports “9/11 Follow The Money”
    If you don’t have time to watch the 1 hour video, please jump to 31:47 mark about Ptech “god like software” and please let us all know what you think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3xgjxJwedA

  16. Erebus says:

    In reading the Pravda series, somewhere along the way I got the gut feel that Ron had, perhaps inadvertently set the controls for the heart of the sun. It’s 8 years on, but it looks like he got there.

    A question if I may, Ron.
    Was your denigration of commenters here (myself included) as “conspiracy nuts” in the past an attempt at misdirection, or did your Road to Damascus moment come very recently?

    A 2nd question.
    Do you have a security detail?

    • LOL: FB
  17. Nice.
    I was wondering when this topic would come up.

    My program: constitutional amendments
    1. Citizenship: no duals, office holding by 3rd gen Americans ie. loyalty, white only immigrants
    2. Sedition: capital punishment
    3Campaign finance: public funding

    Either America reforms shortly or violent upheaval is inevitable. At this point I’d support a military .junta to reform this country. We need treason trials, executions and expulsions. Neo-cohens are at the top of the list. The betrayal of America by subversives is the murder of freedom not just a nation.
    BYOR

    • Replies: @Anon
  18. Congratulations, Ron! This has to be your magnum opus!

    I find it difficult to think of any country in the world that clearly gained as a result of the 9/11 attacks and America’s military reaction, with one single, solitary exception.

    Well, we have established that only Israel benefitted from 9/11 – none else. So, with respect to cui bono, there is only one eligible candidate.

    Solving any crime is a combination of determining motive, means, and opportunity. I think you have correctly identified the motive, proving the other two may be a tad harder.

    Did Israel have the means? I believe they did but it would be hard to prove. A compliant mass media provided the air cover to hush up any weaknesses in the official narrative. Zionist control of the media is hardly a secret. A number of zionist players were prominent in furthering that narrative, and even Thomas Keene indicated that the 9/11 Commission report was manipulated by powerful forces. Who was responsible for all the evidence surrounding the towers being shipped off to China? Who was responsible for NIST providing a scientifically impossible report of the collapse of the towers and refusing to explore the possibility of explosives, as required by their own standards? Zionists have injected themselves into positions of power everywhere in government, but who is the mastermind?

    As to opportunity, how coincidental that a drill simulating an aerial attack on the towers was happening exactly at the same time as the actual attack. Who was responsible for organizing this drill and who knew about it? This was a diabolical way to have air traffic controllers, and perhaps even NORAD stand down. I seem to recall that drills of the same nature as the “terrorist attack” were also in progress during the London Underground bombing as well as the Boston Marathon event. So many coincidences boggle the mind!

    An honest investigation would rip the veil off of this deception, but the probability of that happening decreases with each passing day. A venal political establishment, blackmailed or bought by Israel (as they like to boast unashamedly) ensures that our downward spiral will not be arrested by those whom we have elected to protect us.

    It remains for us to save ourselves.

    Ron, I commend you on your extraordinary website, and on the clarity and persuasiveness of your many articles. What remains is providing a means of organizing and uniting our fellow citizens to gather their pitchforks and torches and bring down the infernal castle and set ablaze its monsters within.

    You have done a yeoman’s job of raising awareness of our plight and more Americans are awake than ever before. We understand the problem – now we need a solution. We need to organize and unite.

    • Agree: renfro, tac
  19. ” The entire purpose of terrorism is to allow a small organization to show the world that it can inflict serious losses upon a powerful state ”

    Nobody seems to realise that these serious losses nowhere ever were inflicted.
    I will not go into detail, with examples, but it is not very difficult to hit a complicated western society into, in any case, disruption for several days.
    3000 USA deaths, if my information is correct the USA has 30.000 traffic deaths each year.

    As to conspiracies, the denial of conspiracies, any serious history book is full of conspiracies.
    The Dutch Orange who succeeded in becoming king of England, a master conspirator.
    The Ribbentrop Molotov, conspiracy, the 1956 Israel, GB and French conspiracy against Egypt, the Liberty conspiracy, McNamara with Israel, the pre 1914 conspiracy between GB, France and the tsar, examples galore.
    C. V. Wedgwood, ´William the Silent, William of Nassau, Prince of Orange, 1533 – 1584’, London, 1945
    Mario Toscano, ‘Designs in Diplomacy, Pages from European Diplomatic History in the Twentieth Century’, 1970 Baltimore
    This last book, nothing but recorded conspiracies

    • Replies: @Anon
  20. Vojkan says:

    WTC 7 is destroyed from bottom to top, consistent with controlled demolition. On the other hand, what I see looking at the videos of the fall of the Twin Towers, in the visible parts, the South one collapses from impact to bottom, the top part isn’t visible due to smoke and dust, afterwards the North one collapses from impact to top and from impact to bottom. That’s one heck of an engineering feat for a controlled demolition imho.

    https://www.google.fr/search?as_q=tower+collapse+9%2F11+video&as_epq=&as_oq=north+south

    Such mass free falling to the ground is, again imho, not unlikely to provoke a mini earthquake, and send a shock wave shaking the foundations of WTC 7.

    I don’t have enough knowledge to forge a definite opinion. I think that just as in the case of the assassination of JFK, we will all long be dead before the truth comes out. Just saying that how I see those buildings fall is not inconsistent with the official version.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
    , @tac
  21. m___ says:

    Readers should therefore regard this as a preliminary version of my article, which I may render into a more polished form within the next couple of days, a practice that I have never previously followed.

    The next step for unz.com. The pre-selected core of readers, honed over these last years will take heed. The sorting out, will be a pain. No big data searches that can be automated to fish for meaningful nuggets. The work method should be systemized. If not abused as at Wikipedia, this should become the asset that gets unz.com into history. Glad you picked my bone and ran with it. Another way of putting it, relevant comments belong in the article. Paul C. R. and no comments is the too easy way out.

    As for 9/11, a case of measuring the distance between deaf as in the public domain, the street and dumb as in the grandiose silliness (use a bulldozer instead of a spade) of the elites. Or if one prefers, in absolute, “our elites are not up to the game, but well tuned into cajoling to the under-world”.

    Resulting in the above, a question not taken up by any of the intelligence writers at the Unz blog so far, what matters proportionately more in designing and implementing policies, the average, mean (or any in-group for that matter) of society (protracting in the elites comparatively,) or pulling in outlier talent into decision making. The cathedral or the space ship.

  22. Brewer says:

    Thank you Mr Unz. You are doing a great service to mankind whether you are right or you are wrong.
    It is very easy to demonstrate that the ability to analyze is given to the few, not the many. The adherence to the dogmatic beliefs of religion, despite being contradictory among their variations is sufficient testament to an individual’s ability to passionately believe in concepts that contradict an equally passionate belief held by another individual. Both cannot be true. I do not think it at all unreasonable to assume that some very bright people are capable of understanding this predominant human failing and exploiting it.
    How else can we explain the deployment of snipers firing into an unarmed crowd of demonstrators through a security fence being spun as “defense” and a majority of other wise reasonable people buying it? I cannot imagine a World in which this can occur without the cynical manipulations of interested parties well versed in the extent of the general public’s gullibility.
    Holmes’ “dog that did not bark” is exemplified by the media’s treatment of 911. All the Israel boxes get a tick – capability, track record, motivation, opportunity and even some direct evidence (the dancing Israelis) – yet nowhere did the media even speculate (even just to dismiss the possibility) that this could have been an Israeli op. I find that quite curious.

  23. Rationalization for Kristallnacht of the 21 -st. century had to be way more spectacular than one by German Nazis.
    Sheeple were exposed and gotten used Spielberg’s Star Wars FX.
    The coup succeeded beyond organizers wildest imagination.
    Majority of beings living in the USA, their colonies and countries under various neoliberal fascist regimes are kept obedient by instruments of mass indoctrination.
    Mr.Adolf and his partners are smiling from above or bellow.

    • Replies: @Wade
  24. Excellent article.

    I found this part of your article to be the most fascinating.

    During 2000 and most of 2001, America was a peaceful prosperous country, but a certain small Middle Eastern nation had found itself in an increasingly desperate situation. Israel then seemed to be fighting for its life against the massive waves of domestic terrorism that constituted much of the Second Intifada.

    According to many analysts, Ariel Sharon had deliberately provoked that Palestinian uprising in September 2000 by marching to the Temple Mount backed by a thousand armed police, and the resulting violence and polarization of Israeli society had successfully installed him as Prime Minister in early 2001. But once in office, his notoriously harsh measures failed to prevent a wave of continuing attacks, increasingly made by from suicide-bombers, and there was a widespread opinion that the violence would soon trigger a huge outflow of Israeli citizens, perhaps producing a death-spiral for the Jewish state. Iraq, Iran, Libya, and other major Muslim powers were supporting the Palestinians with money, rhetoric, and sometimes even weapons, and it appeared that Israeli society was beginning to crumble. I remember hearing from some of my DC friends that numerous Israeli policy experts were suddenly seeking berths at Neocon thinktanks so that they could relocate to America.

    Sharon was a notoriously bloody and reckless leader, with a long history of being willing to undertake strategic gambles of astonishing boldness, sometimes betting everything on a single roll of the dice. He had spent decades seeking the Prime Ministership, and having finally obtained it, he now had his back to the wall, with no obvious source of rescue in sight.

    The 9/11 attacks changed everything. Suddenly the world’s sole superpower was fully mobilized against Arab and Muslim terrorist movements, especially those connected with the Middle East. Sharon’s close Neocon political allies in America used the unexpected crisis as an opportunity to seize control of America’s foreign policy and national security apparatus, with an NSA staffer later reporting that Israeli generals freely roamed the halls of the Pentagon without any security controls. Meanwhile, the excuse of preventing domestic terrorism was used to implement newly centralized American police controls that were employed to harass or even shut down various anti-Zionist political organizations. One of the Israeli Mossad agents arrested by the police in New York City as he and his fellows were celebrating the 9/11 attacks and producing a souvenir film of the burning World Trade Center towers told the officers that “Terrorism is now America’s problem.” And so it immediately became.

    General Wesley Clark reported that soon after the 9/11 attacks he was informed that a secret military plan had somehow come into being under which America would attack and destroy seven major Muslim countries over the next few years, including Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Libya, which coincidentally were all of Israel’s strongest regional adversaries and the leading supporters of the Palestinians. As America began to expend enormous oceans of blood and treasure attacking all of Israel’s enemies after 9/11, Israel itself no longer had as much need to do so, and partly as a consequence, almost no other nation in the world has so enormously improved its strategic and economic situation during the last seventeen years, even while a large fraction of the American population has become completely impoverished during that same period and our country burdened with an insurmountable national debt. A parasite can often grow fat even as its host suffers and declines.

    Another fascinating part of the article below.

    I certainly attempted to locate contrary books supporting the official 9/11 story, but the only one widely discussed was a rather short volume published by Popular Mechanics magazine, whose lead researcher turned out to be the cousin of Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff.

    As for Dick Cheney, he seems to be a fairly devious character. According to Phillip Giraldi, Cheney ordered the forgery of the Habbush letter, which falsely showed an Iraq-Al Qaeda link and an active attempt to buy nuclear weapons grade uranium from Niger. Cheney also seems to have played a role in helping Haliburton to secure $40 billion in no-bid contracts and avoid prosecution for accounting fraud.

    Does this mean Cheney was behind 9/11? Not neccessarily, but I don’t see him as a sedate figure. He seems fairly extreme in some respects.

    Richard Clarke claims that on 9/12/2001, Bush asked him to find evidence that Saddam Hussein was responsible for the attacks. It’s interesting that Bush would think about attacking Iraq so quickly after 9/11.

    • Replies: @Chris Paul
  25. Anonymous[136] • Disclaimer says:

    America began to expend enormous oceans of blood and treasure, because America is a Christian nation that believes the Bible.

    “For if the Gentiles have shared in the Jews’ spiritual blessings, they owe it to the Jews to share with them their material blessings.” Romans 15:27

    • Replies: @RedBaron07
  26. Snow Caps says:

    Dear Mr Unz,

    You are very much in the right track attributing the 9-11 attacks to Mossad, and even to Ariel Sharon who had command over Mossad. I would suggest that you extend your inquiry further to who would have control or at least persuasive power over such a wide arc of countries, institutions, and government administrations. The broadness of the concerted action to discredit or to be blind to alternatives to the official US 9-11 narrative points to a more powerful organization than the Israeli government under former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. Some have speculated that a powerful, secretive banking dynasty which has been strongly involved in the avancement of Israel is the only group strong enough to have managed the 9-11 attacks and it’s subsequent cover up.

  27. Anon[302] • Disclaimer says:

    You know Ron, you don’t have to take everything that the last person told you as gospel. In fact, you’re better off looking at the evidence on both sides, thoroughly–including the evidence that bores you and the evidence you don’t like–rather than just accepting one side’s ideas because they look like they’re more exciting or more fun. Sometimes those ‘exciting’ new theories are just plain wrong.

  28. Otterboy says:

    I just really hope that this thread doesn’t become engulfed with endless arguments for and against controlled demolition. This is what always tends to happen on 911 articles

    It would be great to focus on how and why this was allowed to happen and I agree with Ron Unz, that it was an attack aided and abetted by the Neocons and Mossad. In my opinion they were real planes and real jihadis that hit the towers. I’m happy to accept that they collapsed due to the damage from the planes because ultimately all of never ending discussions about controlled demolition diverts most of the attention away from what I believe should be the focus of the discussion; who was ultimately responsible?

    • Agree: Cloak And Dagger
    • Replies: @renfro
    , @disdain
    , @Erebus
  29. While I considered dangerous thoughts of “LIHOP” from time to time, an article of this kind might have shattered my hesitation to abandon the merry flock for good.

    All 9/11 theories converge to a single, difficult to parse question: What are the consequences? After all, and ignoring the occasional Mossadi reprimandation by bullet, it is still deemed okay to conceptualise all kinds of conspiracies, if only to debunk them. In other words, even dyed-in-the-wool anti zionists are incapable of following through with a rational, coherent policy plan for the tragic aftermath of such a relevation. Maybe on an unconsicous level, the sheer amount of toil, spite and spiritual readjustment seems entirely too herculean for mortal blokes and bureaucrats alike.

    Like a bad marriage where the victim cannot ever conceive of a different life, no matter the abuse and humiliation.

    • Troll: Mike P
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @m___
  30. The ultimate through-the-looking-glass theory of 9/11 that I know, is that Iraq was the primary sponsor of Al Qaeda terrorism against America from 1993 to 2003, and that the CIA and the White House knew this all along, but they covered it up, and tried to deal with it covertly.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  31. How long before they hang 9-11 on Putin? Surprised they haven’t tried already.

    As always, a nice collection of resources and a storyline that plausibly ties them together to hint a suggestion of the truth we are not allowed to hear.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  32. BTW, the term “free fall” is meaningless in this context: Whether or not any of the towers was brought down in a controlled demolition, the falling mass started falling at a speed of zero and accelerated to a speed approaching so-called “free fall.” The acceleration would have been consistent with the force of gravity unless something else impeded it, and in a modern steel & glass tower, there isn’t much to slow the rate of acceleration. The “fact” of the “free fall” is a red herring.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  33. @Cloak And Dagger

    ” Well, we have established that only Israel benefitted from 9/11 – none else. So, with respect to cui bono, there is only one eligible candidate. ”
    Already on the day itself, when I, with anybody else, still believed the Muslim terror attack, I did not understand why Muslims would do such a thing, it just would harm Muslims.
    So I said to my wife ‘just Israel benefits’.
    At the time I, of course, had not the slightest idea that Bush jr would use the attack as pretext for wars.
    Anatol Lieven also did not foresee this, his article New Cold War, in the Guardian, not yet a Soros property.

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  34. @The Alarmist

    Putin’s got MH17, as an American remarked ‘the Dutch Sept 11′.
    I fully agree with him, the propaganda, the show, the memorials, almost an exact copy.
    And, of course, last but not least, no motive, on the contrary, also as with Sept 11.

  35. @Mitchell Porter

    Is there any proof that a terrorist organisation El Quaida ever existed ?
    The name is said to be the name of a house in Afghanistan.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  36. But I wasn’t sure about the credibility of those claims, . . .

    A lot of us have suspicions but none of us have badges and the ability to arrest people or subpoena evidence and depose witnesses. Getting confirmation is impossible when the state is complicit in the cover-up.

    This poses a dilemma. We tend to believe in our country, but as long as the cover-up continues, we can’t believe in our country. We can’t really trust anything our government says.

    America is stuck, while the world goes on around us.

    • Replies: @skrik
  37. Selvar says:

    American Pravda: Flat Earth

    You don’t think it’s coming? Unz once published an article by a guy who claimed that the mass Muslim rape at Cologne was either an inside job or it never happened.

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-muslim-rape-army-is-coming-to-getcha/

    Relevant quote from the article:

    “In particular, the only feasible explanation of why there is no video of anybody being sexually assaulted in Cologne inside or outside the train station on New Year’s Eve is that it never happened. A tree can still fall in the forest without it being caught on camera, but hundreds of women cannot be assaulted in public in the middle of Cologne in 2016 without there being any photos or video. If this had happened, we would have the corresponding visuals and we just don’t.”

    Look, Ron is clearly a brilliant guy. He can make the case that high rates of Hispanic crime is a “myth”. He can deny the holocaust, and he can say that 9/11 was an inside job (a unique combination of views to be sure!). He knows more about these issues than I ever will, but…. but it doesn’t make him right. The fact that he saw fit to publish that Cologne article–which, to be fair, he did not write–makes me take everything he says with more than a grain of salt.

  38. Otterboy says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    “An honest investigation would rip the veil off of this deception, but the probability of that happening decreases with each passing day. A venal political establishment, blackmailed or bought by Israel (as they like to boast unashamedly) ensures that our downward spiral will not be arrested by those whom we have elected to protect us.”

    Agreed. A thorough independent investigation is what is required. However the chances of that ever happening are about zero and anyone else involved has gotten away with it.

  39. Tyrion 2 says:

    It has been really sad to watch an obviously bright and well-accomplished man descend into abject lunacy.

    I’ve not seen it happen in real time before. I don’t like it. I struggled to even open the article. Please at least chat with a professional – why not?

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @Anon
    , @J.Ross
  40. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:

    In the week after 9/11, in the Washington, D.C. area, the news stands ran a special 9/11 photo magazine issue at the checkouts. I bought this issue from Giant Food and looked through it thoroughly. I recall at the time that there was some outcry from the Arabs/Middle East over magazine deciding to run these pictures of Arabs in the West Bank cheering on 9/11. I remember at the time how politically incorrect I thought it was for them to do this.

    When the news came out about the first death from the anthrax attacks, which was Robert Stevens, a photo editor at National Enquirer/AMI, Inc. in Florida, I was baffled why this guy would be targeted. So out of curiosity I went to get my 9/11 magazine special and turned to the back where the credits were. I saw that the magazine was published by AMI, Inc., and the photo editor for the issue was Robert Stevens. I realized that either he was targeted by some Middle East/Arabs in retaliation for running the photos of the West Bank, or, someone wanted people to make that connection. Then after two months when this didn’t get traction Barbara Hatch Rosenberg started accusing Steven Hatfill and making connections to white racism and his time in Rhodesia.

    Also, another attempt was made to link it to Arabs/Arab country in the Middle East because of the box writing slanting downward from left to right on the address on the envelope. Suggesting the person who wrote the letter was an Arab and writes from left to right (which would naturally slant upward as you write). Arabic and Hebrew both go from right to left.

  41. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    I meant to say Arabic writing goes from right to left.

  42. Erebus says:
    @Alan Reid

    Astonishing.
    I hadn’t considered that the buildings would have had a mass damper, and not only for counteracting winds but also earth tremors.

    Interesting implications..Thanks for posting.

  43. @Tyrion 2

    Instead of traumatising yourself speculating over Ron Unz’s mental health, why not just fuck off yourself? That way everyone would benefit.

    • Troll: Tyrion 2
    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  44. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:

    9/11 was an inside job. The fact that the Jews and their shabbos goyim were “inside” doesn’t change that. The body did what the parasite commanded.

    It’s a matter of semantics, I guess.

    • Replies: @bj
  45. bucky says:
    @Tim Howells

    Yes, that is why. The author makes it very obvious. Anything wrong with that?

    • Replies: @Tim Howells
  46. Che Guava says:

    Greg,

    The insider trading based on prior knowlege is a simple fact, evident from stock market records of the time.

    An investigation was announced at the time, but seems to have never proceeded.

    The owners at the time, ‘Larry’ Silverstein and ‘Frank Lowy’, both made ridiculous amounts of insurance money from it. It seems a little like just a much more complex version of the old ‘hire someone to do arson on your own building’ stunt, as far as they are concerned.

    From my reading, such incidents were or are quite common in the largest city in Lowy’s nation of residence (sometimes for the insurance, sometimes to remove the reasons of a stubborn owner), but the arsonists at least would generally try to be sure that there was nobody in the buildings at the time they were burning them.

    That Lowy’s share of ownership is almost never mentioned is also a minor point of interest.

    Cui bono?

    I am noting that Mr. Unz is pulling his punches on the subsequent anthrax-ridden mail incidents, may be worth a future AmPra, although the investigation was quietly ended after the framed men were proven to be innocent and the real likely culprit identified, but neither prosecuted nor persecuted.

    That also was very strange.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  47. Zionist Israel and the Zionist controlled deep state did 911 and murdered some 3000 Americans and got away with it and every thinking American knows that Israel and the deep state did it.

    There were 7 WTC buildings destroyed on 911, WTC buildings 3,4,5,6,7 and the twin towers and they were destroyed by directed energy weapons, see drjudywood.com for the details.

    America went to war in the Mideast for the Zionists over a lie.

  48. jb says:

    The conspiracy theories about 9/11 started flying within days after the attacks. There was no careful analysis, just instant gut excitement over the prospect of exposing a vast network of evil that the theorists always knew had to exist.

    Many of the initial arguments were blatantly idiotic, but over the years the worst arguments have been discarded and the remaining arguments refined and elaborated in a sort of Darwinian process that has increased the fitness of the theory, making it more and more plausible sounding and difficult to refute. All theologies go through this process — our libraries are full of books of Christian or Communist apologetics which, if you were to make the mistake of taking them seriously, would take a lifetime to fully unravel. But the goal is never truth; the goal is always to confound the unbelievers, and prove that the believers were right all along.

    The Truthers knew instantly and intuitively that 9/11 had to be a conspiracy, but it’s taken them years to decide exactly what the conspiracy was going to be, and to craft a narrative sophisticated enough to suck in someone like Ron. I am so, so sorry that Ron has made the mistake of taking this seriously. It’s going to be bad for his reputation, bad for the site, and bad for everyone associated with the site.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
    • Troll: Rurik
    • Replies: @Wade
    , @Greg S.
    , @pensword
    , @Sean
  49. Sean says:

    Particularly contentious was the question of Hispanic immigrant crime rates, which I claimed were roughly the same as those of whites, a position that virtually all those professors and authors denounced as utter lunacy. That particular dispute went on for so many years that eventually I no longer even bothered to argue the case, but just every now and then provided some satirical jibes on the topic.

    True as far as it goes, but Hispanics have been brought up in Hispanic culture. The offspring of those immigrants, having been brought up in American culture, make for a better genetics to genetics comparison. So far, it seems they assimilate in an increasingly negative way with every generation. It’s called Downward Assimilation.

  50. You should talk to Ryan Dawson.

  51. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Biff

    Dunno. Same place as Malaysian Airlines MH370?

  52. Hans says:

    The Brothers Kurzberg crew in their zeal “to document the event” did not fail to hold aloft a lit cigarette lighter (https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Paul_Kurzberg).

    “The five aroused attention in New Jersey after people noticed them going to unusual lengths to photograph the World Trade Center ruins and making light of the situation. One photograph developed by the F.B.I. showed Sivan Kurzberg holding a lighted lighter in the foreground, with the smoldering wreckage in the background, said Steven Noah Gordon, a lawyer for the five.

    As objectionable as their behavior may be, Mr. Gordon said of their long incarceration, ”It’s not a crime and they were being treated as if it was.”

    Will the goyim ever be permitted to learn what the other photos contain?

    For the most comprehensive collection of taboo facts, see Israel did 9/11 – ALL THE PROOF IN THE WORLDhttp://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=5367.0

    Juval “They Could Have Planted a Truck Bomb AS WE DID” Aviv slips up – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5EFzG7eVoc

    • Replies: @Hans
    , @Anon
  53. anarchyst says:
    @Che Guava

    It’s called “jewish lightnng”–destroying your own property for the insurance proceeds.
    On a much smaller scale, a successful chain of department stores in the Detroit area succumbed to “jewish lightning” one store at a time.
    The jewish owner of this business was so brazen that he actually took out television ads with himself holding a fireman’s helmet, declaring that “we would have a fire sale this week, but we didn’t have one”…

    • LOL: Che Guava
    • Replies: @Anon
  54. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Wow, Ron’s finally woken up.

    Welcome to the real world, Mr. Unz!

    Ron woke up some time ago.

    He has been battling the matrix fearlessly for many years.

    But it staggers the imagination that this subject is completely buried within the hallowed halls of the MSM.

    Doesen’t anyone want to win a Pulitzer prize?

    This is the most important story of our time–perhaps any time given the threat of war with Russia– and no one talks about it in the MSM.

  55. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kaffeebock

    Maybe on an unconsicous level, the sheer amount of toil, spite and spiritual readjustment seems entirely too herculean for mortal blokes and bureaucrats alike.

    Sometimes people get caught off guard, accidentally follow the ‘What are the consequences?’ question to it’s logical conclusion and then promptly hit the panic button and shut down all further thought processes.

    Personally I don’t see the problem. Yes, they did. Yes, they could do it again. Yes, they probably will. But who cares? Statistically, even big false flag terrorist attacks are still less dangerous than crossing the road or drinking beer.

  56. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist

    The acceleration would have been consistent with the force of gravity unless something else impeded it, and in a modern steel & glass tower, there isn’t much to slow the rate of acceleration.

    Surely the remaining lower parts of the tower should have impeded it? By inertia at the very least, if not by strength.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @j2
  57. Lot says:
    @Thomm

    “Remember that Radical Muslims also did a number of other large terrorist attacks outside the US (such as London 2005, Madrid 2004, Mumbai 2006, Kenya and Tanzania 1998, Beirut Marine Barracks 1983, Bali 2002, France 2015, etc.)”

    Bro, wake up! Mossad did all of them too, also killed JFK and Patton, tried to get Truman too. Islam is the religion of peace.

    • Replies: @Floda
  58. Even if one does still believe the official story, that Muslims hiding in caves in the middle of nowhere Afghanistan managed to hijack and fly planes into the WTC and Pentagon. Why the hell is our Govt. and Military now defending with American lives and money we don’t have the same people that did it? Perhaps because they didn’t?

    One Year After Calling Idlib “Al Qaeda’s Largest Safe Haven Since 9/11,” the US Govt is Trying to Save it.

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/one-year-after-calling-idlib-al-qaedas-largest-safe-haven-since-9-11-the-us-govt-is-trying-to-save-it/248828/

    This is textbook treason, unless they’re lying…….

    • Replies: @Mathew Neville
  59. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alan Reid

    U238 TMD: Pure speculation, zero evidence. If lots of U238 really was released, it should be the easiest thing in the world to find. Why even bother with such an expensive material when lead or steel would have been fine?

    Built-in explosives: I don’t buy it. The asbestos ruled out the explosives being used for a legal clean demolition job, and planning a false flag terrorist attack 30 years ahead is difficult to believe.

    tl;dr: Nice story, top marks for inventing it, but way too far out to be believed.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Alan Reid
    , @Alan Reid
  60. Lot says:

    So Ron’s theory is that Israel framed *Saudis working for an organization in Afghanistan* to get the USA to invade Iraq, the foreseeable result of which would be giving its main enemy Iran a free hand innthe Shiite half of the nation.

    Makes perfect sense!

    • Replies: @CalDre
  61. My familiarity with 9/11 trutherism is bounded at Loose Change and a few articles discussing it.

    My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can’t melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked. If it wasn’t the Saudi knifemen who hijacked the planes, who was it? As far as I know hacking them is out of the question – all planes need to have manual overrides. Is Mossad capable of scraping together 19 Zionist fanatics hardcore enough to sacrifice themselves for the cause?

    The main unexplained suspicious factor is the unusual trading in the hours preceding 9/11. This would be consistent with certain people knowing about (or hearing rumors about) the impending events and keeping quiet about it, while making a buck on the side. Feasibly, that could been Mossad agents… and/or any number of other people.

  62. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @lavoisier

    Ron woke up some time ago.

    He has been battling the matrix fearlessly for many years.

    With respect to this particular topic, this is Ron’s first foray. Until recently, he made a point of generally keeping neutral yet occasionally allowing his skepticism to leak out.

    Do you remember the exchange between him and Jonathan Revusky?

  63. Dear Ron,

    What you write is interesting, but if a “missile” hit the Pentagon, than what happened to Barbara Olsen, wife of Constitutional legal scholar, Ted Olsen, and the other passengers on American Airlines Flight 77? It seems to me that that plane had to have been what struck it.

    Second, Israel’s Likud and their NeoCon allies certainly were beneficiaries of what happened on that grim day, but that does not prove that they launched or planned it.

    It also seems irrefutable that the New York towers were struck by the airliners. I cannot say anything about the actual causes of their collapse, but they were struck by those planes.

    Sincerely,

    Edward Dorsey

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  64. Even Don knew explosives were used…..too bad he is subservient to the perps.

    Donald Trump Calls Into WWOR/UPN 9 News on 9/11 Bombs used

    The Notorious Banned FOX 9 11 2001 News Footage Israeli Mossad Links

    • Replies: @Anon
  65. Tyrion 2 says:

    Can anyone who believes Israel did it explain why they didn’t frame the Palestinians?

  66. Lets not forget our Israeli friends caught filming the planes hitting the WTC, dancing and celebrating, if they had time to set up cameras in a good place to watch the “event” unfold. Now why wouldn’t our #1 ally warn us???

    The same #1 ally that attempted to sink USS Liberty and blame the attack on Egypt to draw us into their war in 1967, hmmmm sounds a lot like the 9/11 false flag attack. Not suspicious at all huh?
    But surely our #1 ally would never kill Americans to trick us into fighting their enemies……..

    How stupid or ignorant does one need to be not be able to see this?

    • Agree: Agent76
    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  67. prusmc says: • Website
    @Greg S.

    My question, if the Pentigon was hit by a missile not a plane, what happened to the plane and it’s passengers including Barbara Olsen?

  68. Che Guava says:
    @Greg S.

    I replied to, but, as often happens if there is any waiting time, the link was lost. Post number 42 (auspicious!), assuming that it is approved.

    BTW, I recall your point two having been widely reported at the time. Not so sure about point three, don’t know about the flight sims pro. pilots use at home, but even before that, flight sims. on game consoles and the well-regarded MS sim. (also well-regarded by some pros), were tending to block attempts to just crash into things.

    Agree with you in the case of the Pentagon. Bizarre claim from the start.

    I can’t see how the flight path into the WTC would have been terribly hard.

    Mystery, why weren’t they being buzzed and eventually shot down by fighter planes? Though that may be put down to indecision, the one downed in Pennsylvania was almost certainly shot down. Sure, brave passengers acted, but in the end, it was shot down.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  69. Rurik says:

    I’m a student of history of sorts, and especially the world wars.

    With a sad horror, I’ve come to glimmer the spine-numbing evil of those contrived wars for the Satanic evil that they were.

    It was with a quiet and earnest prayer that I made to providence (God, the Gods, etc..) – that as the 21st century dawned upon mankind, that it would not resemble the previous one- as far as contrived zio-wars (and the attendant horrors).

    America was dragged into WWI on behalf of Zionists, (this is a proven fact). And everyone with an IQ above room temperature knows of the Jewish supremacists/Zionist’s treachery in foisting WWII, and the slaughter-fest that ensued.. the result of which, was Israel, rising out of the ashes of Europe, and with Russia and Eastern Europe and China and beyond.. enslaved by the Siamese twin of (((Zionism))) = (((Bolshevism))).

    But the Soviet Union died at the end of the 20th century, and I had cause for hope.

    Then came 9/11, and I knew Satan (the Fiend) was still very much with us.

    And so it has unfolded. (((They))) have managed to turn this century as well, into an orgy of mass-atrocities, racial genocide, horrors writ large and suffering unimaginable, while getting spectacularly wealthy in the process. (just Google ‘Lucky Larry’ for starters)

    It isn’t only Jewish supremacists, or even brain dead ‘Christian Zionists’, but none of this would go anywhere without the legions of venal Gentile whores willing and eager to suck their thirty shekels (rot in hell McStain) from the mangled bodies of men, women and children – slaughtered all over the globe – in pursuit of Rothschild’s psychopathic nightmare of a planetary Orwellian dystopia.

    [ranting.., I know ; ]

    Anyways, so yea. It didn’t take me long to put the pieces together, and see that my nation, and indeed my civilization, has been hijacked by fiends. ((They)) caused the horrors and death of untold millions of souls in the last century, and 9/11 was their pretext to do the same in this century as well.

    It has been my raison d’etre for posting here at Ron Unz’s preeminent site for truth~ the Unz Review, lo these many years now, specifically to oppose these fiends, and do what I could for the cause of truth and peace.

    There is a fiend in this world, that revels and profits on suffering. It is as insatiable as it is cruel, and will never, ever stop seeking the enslavement of mankind, unless we collectively figure out a way to stop it.

    End the Fed!, and put a stake through the black heart of this ignoble and Satanic menace.

    Please!

    Thank you again Mr. Unz, for your courage, integrity and simply human decency. My hat is off to you yet again Sir, and all who love truth and peace, are in your debt.

  70. bj says:
    @Anonymous

    It is 100% certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. ….And what Americans need to understand is they did it! And if they do understand it, Israel will flat ass disappear from this earth!

    Dr. Alan Sabrosky…former US War College Director

    It is not a matter of semantics, but a matter of the origin of the orders. The Mossad is not an agency of the United States of America. The orders came from Israel.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  71. Otterboy says:
    @Tyrion 2

    “Can anyone who believes Israel did it explain why they didn’t frame the Palestinians?”

    You mean frame the Palestinians ‘yet’?

    It took israel around 70 years for them to try and pin the blame of the holocaust onto the Palestinians:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/benjamin-netanyahu-blames-holocaust-on-palestinian-leader-haj-amin-al-husseini-a6702091.html

    I’m sure they’ll get around to it at some point, when they find time during their extremely hectic ethnic cleansing schedule

    • Troll: Tyrion 2
    • Replies: @Anon
  72. bj says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    What other groups had motive and means to carry out an operation of this magnitude? It has to be a state actor with significant inside assets. Who has significant assets and influence in the USA government and media to derail investigation?

    It is 100% certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. ….And what Americans need to understand is they did it! And if they do understand it, Israel will flat ass disappear from this earth!

    Dr. Alan Sabrosky…former US War College Director

    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
  73. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    As he said “there isn’t much to slow the acceleration”.

  74. Agent76 says:

    October 08, 2016 Video: Afghanistan: Fifteen Years of Invasion and Occupation

    Now the truth about oil and gas, mineral wealth, opium and naked imperial ambition are all that remain. The ambitions of Empire.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/video-afghanistan-fifteen-years-of-invasion-and-occupation/5549973

    Sep 5, 2016 9/11 Suspects: Rudy Giuliani

    Mayor Giuliani oversaw the illegal destruction of the 9/11 crime scene and is criminally liable for the deaths of hundreds of emergency workers for not passing on prior warnings about the collapses of the Twin Towers.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  75. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    You must be the least paid Hasbara gerbil in your cubicle.

    Almost every Israel’s enemy (and Palestinian friend) was framed and attacked afterwards. It’s an open-ended “war on terror”, remember?

  76. Otterboy says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    “Is Mossad capable of scraping together 19 Zionist fanatics hardcore enough to sacrifice themselves for the cause?”

    Why would the pilots have to be zionist fanatics? This could have easily been a covert Mossad operation and those jihadi pilots could easily have been a bunch of patsies

    Real jihadi pilots and real planes hit the towers which collapsed due to the damage. Whether or not there were parallel internal explosions to help the building along is irrelevant (in this theory). But it’s the subject of controlled demolition which normally subsumes most articles about 911

    This is the only theory that makes sense to me. The focus should be on those who aided, abetted and allowed this to happen. Might be an idea to start with the dual passport holders

    • Replies: @JoeMamma5ez
  77. @Tyrion 2

    You don’t have to ask someone who believes Israel did it. You just have to start thinking it through from the questions 1. Why would Israel want to do it? and 2. How would they then plan it?

    Obviously they have to feed a plausible narrative and Al Qaeda and ObL are your conveniently Arab villains.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  78. @jilles dykstra

    I woke up here on the west coast with the sight of the airplane crashing into the second tower on my bedroom TV. The day began with astonishment at the audacity of the attack, and I cursed muslims everywhere. The day ended with the sight of building 7 collapsing into its own footprint at free-fall speed without having been hit by a plane, and my astonishment turned into skepticism and woke me from my stupor.

    Now, 17 years later, 9/11 is the litmus test that separates the shills from the rest of us. They are apparent by their posts here on UR. Here is a quick filter:

    1. Point to muslims as terrorists – these are invariably Israelis and their sayanim
    2. Violently defend the official narrative – shills for those who perpetrated the crime
    3. Skeptics and challengers of the official narrative – most of us on UR and elsewhere
    4. Silent acceptance of the official narrative – most Americans, but many are waking up

  79. Lot says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    There is “unusual trading activity” every single day the market is open.

  80. prusmc says: • Website
    @Greg S.

    My question, if the Pentigon was hit by a missile not a plane, what happened to the plane and it’s passengers including Barbara Olsen?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  81. @Otterboy

    A thorough independent investigation is what is required. However the chances of that ever happening are about zero and anyone else involved has gotten away with it.

    I am not ready to throw in the towel yet. A petition has been filed for a grand jury, and as outlined in the video below, it cannot be denied. So, an investigation will happen. What happens afterward is unclear.

    • Replies: @Otterboy
  82. Given Ron Unz’s specious attempt to clear Secretary of Defense Donald RunsfeId of having foreknowledge about 9/11, I am disappointed.
    … Of course, the day before 9/11 attacks, Rumsfeld appeared to act responsibly and announced Pentagon’s missing trillions of dollars! Uh, did Rummy know about the day after events, and it’s expense?
    … Nonetheless, as far as I know & along with an admission as to not having read his top selling memoir, Secretary Rumsfeld did nothing to offer reasoned evidence for a terrorist passenger-plane having struck the Pentagon.
    … Am very sorry, but although Rumsfeld’s business acumen impresses, one cannot deny his enduring political ties with wealthy & international Zionist Jew interests.
    … Below, for review, is a photograph of young Congressman Rumsfeld’s letter appeal to Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy which suggests lobbying for the Justice Department to back off forcing the AZC to register as foreign agent. (Note: This posting is approximately my 3rd here at the U.R., with no follow-up comments)

    http://www.israellobby.org/AZCDOJ/congress/default.asp

    … Had Donald Rumsfeld & V.P. Cheney been excluded from foreknowledge about 9/11, it appears that their advertised American conscience/patriotism did not activate, and such inaction paved the way for the stinky Zelikow Commission Report’s pyrrhic success.
    … Ron, very respectfully & always grateful for your work, don’t you see that stalwart Corporate CEO’s & Republican vanguard’s, Rumsfeld & Cheney are given too much credit for what they did not see coming, September 11, 2001 and it’s diabolical (preplanned) Patriot Act and GWOT.
    … Thank you!
    … P.S.: I do endorse consideration that President G.W. Bush, while reading a duck-story to kids, was one of the few administration “Deciders” who were left out-of-loop.

  83. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Goody goody, endless fun while waiting for my hair to dry. Thanks Ron

    Seriously I believe AIPAC, Israel and Larry Silverstein collaborated on the biggest Jewish insurance fraud ever.

    But it’s fun to read the endless theories based on TV coverage of the planes going into the buildings and the 3,000 plus people who never died because they never existed.

  84. TheOldOne says:

    Please see jamesperloff.com/articles for clarification of this.

    Great work, Mr. Unz.

  85. @Anatoly Karlin

    Sound stuff. Let’s hope Ron gets on to the material where he could deploy his real intellectual advantages, namely the physics of what happened.

    For one example….

    Since it is pretty hard to see where WTC7 fits into any truther version as part of a plot it might clear the air a bit if Ron were to deal with the technical arguments.

    Once you get to the point of saying that WTC7 probably came down for the reason given in the NIST report that heat induced steel expansion caused the rupture of joints and then the failure of Column 79 etc then you remove one pillar of truthers’ arguments.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Wade
  86. @Tyrion 2

    Why blame the Palestinians if the goal was to destabilize the countries that were supporting the Palestinians financially and cut of that support?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  87. Watch these videos, pay careful attention, you can see the building exploding outwards as the explosives go off streaming down the building, these explosions are going off a good 15 to 20 stories below the collapsing debris, how can this be possible if the debris is what is what is crushing the floors below? Its not.

    9/11 South Tower Collapse Video Compilation

    9/11 WTC1 North Tower Collapse (NBC & History Channel)

    9/11 North Tower Collapse

    Watch WTC 7, watch on the right side of building, you can see the windows blow out in a straight line, this is one of the columns being taken out with explosives.

    9/11: WTC 7 Collapse (NIST FOIA, CBS video)

    Anyone that can watch these videos and still doubt explosives brought the buildings down is lying to themselves. Steel framed buildings could never “collapse” in this way. Period.

    • Agree: Agent76
  88. Rurik says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can’t melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked.

    your impression is due to an insouciant (nod to PCR ; ) intellectual apathy. (bovine disinterest in subjects of existential exigency)

    At comment #5, The Scalpel posted videos of news outlets reporting on building seven collapsing – before it did. That would be impossible without advance knowledge of the controlled demolition of that building. Something that Osama and his 19 henchmen would not have been able to accomplish even if they could have done the rest, which is beyond preposterous.

    The reason I make this comment to you, is because you seem to harbor an affection for all things Russian, and yet are apparently too daft to connect the dots here.

    When the chimp looked into Putin’s eyes, and saw a good guy, that was when Putin was aligned with the nascent ‘war on terror’. Something Vlad was all too familiar with, and happy to help out the West with, in any way he could.

    But then Vladimir figured out, (what apparently you’re unable to) – that all of these wars – (following the *obviously* lied about 9/11 false flag), are intended to destroy nations, not save them. Duh.

    The people who did 9/11 (Zionists and their lackeys in the West, NATO, CIA, etc..) are the exact same people who are trying to menace Russia today. Someone has already pointed out the glaring parallels of 9/11 to the *obvious* lies about MH17.

    And yet a fellow like you hasn’t bothered to look into this event. The event that will be ultimately responsible for the clash of civilizations to come, when the Zionists demand Putin vacate Syria so they can steal the Golan Heights.

    How can a guy like you, ruminate over, write about, postulate and pontificate… over a (((Western))) foreign policy that maligns and menaces Russia.. and yet fail to see the obvious?

    For you to have little to no curiousity about 9/11, is like Bashar Assad believing the war he’s been fighting was a home-grown event unaffected by foreign interests.

    It all started with 9/11. That was the pretext for Gen. Clark’s “We’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.”

    - Retired General Wesley Clark

    Have you ever seen that video?

    Do you understand how that agenda might have effected the (((West’s))) relations with Russia, once Putin put his foot down over Syria?

    Or are all of these things completely independent of each other, and the war on Syria is actually being waged by disgruntled Syrian Muslims who want a less secular state, with help from NATO only when Assad uses chemical weapons against his own civilians?

    Why are otherwise smart people unable to comprehend, (or even contemplate) the big picture?

  89. Mike P says:
    @Che Guava

    Mystery, why weren’t they being buzzed and eventually shot down by fighter planes? Though that may be put down to indecision, the one downed in Pennsylvania was almost certainly shot down. Sure, brave passengers acted, but in the end, it was shot down.

    That plane was missing also:

  90. nickels says:

    I hope these several great and lengthy articles of late come out in a book.
    They warrant a sit down with a paper copy, I think, for those of us electronically challenged.

    • Replies: @sayless
    , @Anonymous
  91. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Peripatetic commenter

    Afghanistan? You crazy…

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  92. Agent76 says:

    Sep 11, 2013 9/11 In A Nutshell

    James Corbett presents this 5 minute parody of the official conspiracy theory of 9/11.

    • LOL: Cloak And Dagger
  93. Rurik says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Why would Israel want to do it?

    is there an Unz reward for the stupidest question of the year?

    ‘any suggestion that Israel subverts our government to fight wars on their behalf and extort untold billions of dollars from our treasury – is just a wacko conspiracy theory!’

    All anyone has to do is ask themselves… why would Israel want to loot untold billions of dollars from the US Treasury?!?!

    How does that benefit them?!

    Why would they want the dumb goyim to do their killing and dying for them?!

    How does it benefit Israel to have Americans dying in their place, so that ((they)) can sit back and count the billion$ in extorted lucre?

    It just doesn’t make any sense! Huh wiz?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @c matt
  94. nsa says:

    Western civilization is now well beyond the stage where revealing the “truth” of the matter would make the slightest difference. Even if the jooies came out and admitted responsibility, the narrative would be spun endlessly by the lugen media, and the confused ovine public would just return to watching fagball and porn on their living room flat screen jooie boxes…and buying cheap amazon crap off the internet The official narrative would morph into something like “a small group of misguided American patriots, now long dead, knew of the plot hatched by a few renegade izzies but ignored it for the greater good as it was necessary to wake America up, kind of like the Reichstag fire…..er Pearl Harbor”. In a short period of time, the subservient goyim would be exclaiming even deeper respect and adoration for the small magical tribe capable of pulling off such a feat as the destruction of the WTC and then being able to avoid detection for so long…….

  95. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @bj

    The Mossad is not an agency of the United States of America.

    Judging from the way the plan was allowed to unfold, assisted and subsequently covered-up by the US (((establishment))), Mossad might as well be the most powerful agency in the US.

    For me, it will always be both an inside job and a Global Jewish Cabal operation. The two are not mutually exclusive.

  96. Rurik says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    ..that WTC7 probably came down for the reason given in the NIST report that heat induced steel expansion caused the rupture of joints and then the failure of Column 79 etc then you remove one pillar of truthers’ arguments.

    but how did they know it was going to fall, before it did?

    and why wiz, did this shocking and unprecedented collapse of a modern steel skyscraper into its footprint at free-fall speed- due to a few office fires- not have every beam and rivet poured over for forensic evidence of how it happened?

    Why did they immediately haul off and destroy all the evidence of, not just the worst crime in US history, but also of a engineering failure of such import that it defies every known tenet of physics and structural engineering?

    Shouldn’t experts and professionals, somewhere.. had an interest in studying the collapse, to make sure office fires don’t cause buildings to implode into their footprint at free-fall speed all over the planet?

    But instead, they shipped all the forensic evidence off to China to be melted down. With no investigation.

    Hmmmm….

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  97. If Trump was really fighting the “deep state” first thing he would do is start or at least call for a new and REAL investigation into 9/11.
    With arrests and prosecution, all the way from Saudi Arabia, Tel Aviv, back home to Wall St, Langley, and the Pentagon.
    A real 9/11 investigation would drain the swamp 100%. Trump is in bed with the “deep state”. Along with every traitor in Washington not calling for a real investigation. and all of the media!

    Sad!

    • Replies: @Anon
  98. @Anatoly Karlin

    My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can’t melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked. If it wasn’t the Saudi knifemen who hijacked the planes, who was it?

    Why would is need to be someone else? The most obvious alternative — one that is far more liekly to be true than the official story — is that those 19 did do the hijacking, but they had inside help to get them past the security structures designed to stop such things. How did they get through airport security? Why weren’t the hijacked planes shot down?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Mr. Anon
  99. LondonBob says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    There was no drill in London, a company was running a practise emergency drill to evacuate their offices, happens all the time.

  100. Ron, you have certainly sampled a much bigger part of the published material on 9/11 than I have but I say, with respect, that you have gone off prematurely, if not half cocked.

    Certainly Israel is the country whose leaders might have seen benefit in getting the US angry with Arabs or Muslims. And maybe Sharon was a big enough gambler. But the case for ObL seeing benefit is simpler and clearer. Nothing could have suited him better than to get his evil American enemy mired in war in the country where he had seen the Soviet Union suffer. And would you not normally regard it as naive to put any weight on his actual or alleged denial of responsibility? The most likely explanation for that denial is that he was backing up the lie to Mullah Omar whom he feared would no longer harbour him while he hadn’t yet arranged to hide in Pakistan. But it is also likely that the destruction of the Towers and killing of so many people wasn’t expected so sounding piously decent was conveniently easy.

    Your hypothesis works best, I think, if Mossad convinced the Arab hijackers that everything was being done as part of an Al Qaeda operation. One can rule out ObL knowingly cooperating with Mossad because he would have disclosed that quite soon after the event. More likely is Mossad managing to introduce facilitators into the operation, and maybe even inspiring it, or aspects of it.

    If you get round to focusing your scientific knowledge and intellect on quite a few critical aspects that is where you could really earn the gratitude of UR readers. In the course of doing that you would, one hopes, tidy up some matters of fact; e.g. was there really no aircraft wreckage at the Pentagon? I remember a photograph of an American Airlines tail apparently on the lawn outside the hole in the Pentagon. And what happened to those flights and all the passengers and crew?

    Different subject but you did say that you expected Obama to be a very bad President and that he was even worse than you expected. Would you mind indulging your readers, ready to be fascinated, with your one paragraph pithy version of why that is your opinion? More paragraphs, better still.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  101. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    I remember the attempted attack on the Mexican parliament building. Contrast that the Mexican attack was thwarted by ordinary security guards but our extensive federal security apparatus couldn’t prevent the Israeli destruction of 4 planes and the Towers.

    Further damage is that many of the construction workers that worked on the removal of the debris are now seriously handicapped from breathing asbestos dust. Instead of the millions some of the families got, they are unable to work and getting a thousand or less a month disability.

    And what are the construction unions doing about that?? Absolutely nothing. Maybe they’re too busy agitating for more illegal alien worker rights.

  102. sarz says:

    I have enjoyed seeing the reports of Ron Unz’s rather delayed education, and I do appreciate his capacity to be undeflected from the important foci of the issues he covers, and of his bravery. That said, this particular piece did unsettle me for the insulting treatment of Christopher Bollyn’s contribution. Not even David Ray Griffin has done so much to uncover and piece together the true story of 9/11. I am sorry to say that I get the impression that Ron Unz, who has been duly appreciated by woke people, is quite unnecessarily quietly pinning someone else’s medal to his chest, albeit sharing the honors with Guyenot who too is after all only summarizing the discoveries of others.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  103. @Rurik

    You may have noticed if you took the trouble that I was proposing a way in which Ron’s scientific knowledge could be deployed with meaningful result.

    And please don’t bother with that childishly naive argument about the BBC supposedly knowing in advance about the WTC 7 collapse. Just talk to someone who has worked at the front line in the media for a few years – or merely has some imagination and understanding of human error or crossed wires. BTE Silverstein hadn’t updated the insurance on that building….

  104. @bj

    What follows from that?

    Clearly, if Israel did it, they also know what Sabrosky said is true.

    That means Israel has to go all the way! It has to destroy America or be destroyed because sooner or later all Israel’s attempts to keep the knowledge that they did it under cover will fail.

    Does that bring certain attempts at fomenting war between Russia and the US into focus now?

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @bj
  105. Have you ever had an accidental close encounter with a very famous person? One where you caught them exposed somehow for being who they REALLY are inside (maybe not as nice as their public image)?

    Once I was a musician at a swanky event that had some secondary political connection. I wandered into the wrong green room for my breaktime, and encountered Ariel Sharon there, by himself.

    I wasn’t nearly as ‘woke’ then I as I am now (this was probably around 1980), but I knew who this was. I had walked in on him, surprising him while alone and vulnerable. His expression looking up at me was unforgettable: “Are you the one sent to assassinate me?” was what it seemed to say. Naturally, since I was just a guy in a tuxedo carrying a saxophone, this seemed absurd, in a way. Yet I knew just what he meant, or felt.

    I was chilled to the bone from the feeling that I’d encountered a person whose soul had been turned over entirely to evil.

  106. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    You remind me that I didn’t quite get the relevance to 9/11 of the anthrax story unless it was just another example of MSM (disordeeed) priorities of the most general kind. Have I missed something?

  107. LondonBob says:

    The whole dancing Israeli spies gave it away, the Jack Ruby element. Best case passive onlookers, more likely facilitators and participants.

  108. The official report on 9/11 erodes all trust in official explanations. It is as useless and incomplete as the Warren report.
    I pretty much hold the view that a few selected and Israel were behind both deeds. I do not believe the US government did these heinous act, but there were government officials that participated in them.
    I doubt we will ever learn the truth, perhaps for the better, for if my theory is correct and it is proved it was so, we would get Armageddon. America would be torn apart in a civil war and Israel would be nuked.
    But when you look at both “incidents” why is it key witnesses die in weird accidents? Why is it that key witnesses are not evn called to give testimony?
    And why is it that in every single “in-explainable” incident since 1945, Israel somehow can be connected ? It is really thought provoking, but it is nevertheless true.
    I am part Jewish myself, but I cant distance myself further from the blemish of the world : Israel.
    Everything went down the toilet with the Naqba and it just became worse the following decades.
    Israel today is a more menacing terror state than the Third Reich ever was.
    “Ceterum censeo Israelinem esse delendam” a quote mad more up to date.

  109. @Selvar

    A long post exercising weak logic that can be refuted by just a few lines with
    numbers.
    And it’s definitely not in your interest to let Numbers talk. So …

  110. @Rurik

    You can’t restrain yourself from coming across as a semiliterate fool. I did not pose the question “Why would Israel want to do it?” in the way you portray those words from my comment.

    In UR threads’ overused currency I could brand you as dishonest and a liar but alternative explanations such as stupidity, carelessness and incontinent excitability offer themselves.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  111. @NoseytheDuke

    Wow. Touchy, today. You couldn’t just ignore that? It was that important that you respond? And in such an infantile manner?

  112. Vojkan says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Some people are ready to stretch elementary logic beyond the point of rupture to support the narrative they believe in.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  113. Che Guava says:

    BTW, for clarifying, I was saying ‘LOL with’ and ‘LOL at’, should have separate buttons, knowing that would be difficult, would require at least, separate icons.

    It is a bitter truth, after spending some time in a place where such lightning was, it is sickening.

    BTW, ‘Lowy’ used to call himself ‘Loewy’, have no idea of his real name.

    Really, LOL may be entirely redundant since that Vietnamese girl with the LOL shirt and her Indonesian pal nerve-poisoned the seemingly cheerful Kim Jong Nam. Sure, possibly neither knew what they were doing, the fact that neither died is making it easy to doubt that. Their controllers must have given them atropine, and special detergents for washing after the attack.

    Sry, off topic, but LOL perhaps should be abolished.

  114. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alan Reid

    Thanks so much for the information. When the WTC was being sprayed with asbestos every other building in America was being refitted to remove asbestos. There were TV documentaries about workers dying and disabled from asbestos.

    But the WTC used it.

    Putting the sway prevention things directly over the elevator shaft had to be against code. I know NYC is notoriously corrupt but JHC.

    The WTC was very cheaply built. The area was a crime ridden black ghetto when the plans were made. It was part of the great society plan of putting stadiums, government and other big office building in high crime aka black areas in hope the blacks would leave.

    I vaguely remember articles even they started building that it would rejuvenate the area. Probably the inspectors were told by the city to go easy on code violations as well as observing the NYC custom of taking bribes to over look violations.

    And those plans obviously were approved. But builders often file a set of plans that satisfy the code but actually build some crap that falls apart.

    Thanks so much. This is the most informative comment I’ve ever read about the demolition.

  115. Rurik says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Different subject but you did say that you expected Obama to be a very bad President and that he was even worse than you expected. Would you mind indulging your readers, ready to be fascinated, with your one paragraph pithy version of why that is your opinion? More paragraphs, better still.

    trying to deflect here wiz?

    ‘Ron, can you please take over for me in trolling your article, by writing something completely off topic?’

    Poor, poor wiz..

    what an unthankful job it is to shill for Zion, 24/7

    ‘but NIST said …!’

    here’s a video of the missile hitting the Pentagon, which shows the vapor trail of something that obviously isn’t a commercial passenger jet.

    but where are all the other videos of the Pentagon being hit?

    that is perhaps the most surveilled property on the plant, and yet all we have is this one video. Where are all the rest?

    What are they hiding wiz?

    And what about the plane wreckage at Shanksville? Did the jet plunge into the ground and get melted in the earth’s core?

    I rather doubt that.

    No wiz, your puerile efforts notwithstanding, it is obvious to any thinking person by now, that they lied about 9/11, and that it was a ‘USS Liberty’ style false flag to get US to fight Israel’s wars for them.

    Duh.

    But keep on shilling, I find your effete and doddering tenacity rather amusing.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  116. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Ron woke up long time ago.

  117. Rurik says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    please don’t bother with that childishly naive argument about the BBC supposedly knowing in advance about the WTC 7 collapse

    the difference is that the ‘wizard’ in the video is amiable, whereas the Unz ‘wiz’ is not.

  118. @Selvar

    Nice try Troll.

    Unz publishes articles by many different authors including Fred Reed and that ridiculous guy who claimed that scrabble prowess proves that blacks do not have lower IQs, on average.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  119. @Anatoly Karlin

    They wouldn’t need any hardcore Zionist fanatics. Islamic ones will do very nicely and aren’t hard to find. Mossad simply found some unwitting dupes and shadowed them for years while monitoring their progress toward 9/11.

    As for the “debunking” of jet fuel melting steel, when did that happen? National Geographic TV did a supposed debunking by suspending steel I-beams over barrels of flaming kerosene and even they had to admit that no melting took place or was even possible.

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
  120. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Biff

    There are some very enjoyable theories about that. They fall into 2 groups.

    I. Those people never existed but birth certificates school and employment records were created decades before the demolition.

    2. They and their families are all in a witness protection gulag somewhere.

    More fun than a Tom Clancy movie.

  121. c matt says:
    @Thomm

    But you forget – Americans don’t care until something happens HERE.

    I don’t know that they are the Religion of Peace (more like Piece), but that does not mean 9/11 was not a Mossad action. Some, several, or all of those others could be as well.

    One thing that always seemed odd to me – all three looked like controlled demolition. I would not expect a building smacked from one side, unevenly, to fall into its own footprint. The direct impact side would most likely fail before the “exit” side, and it would at least twist/bend a little and fall unevenly.

  122. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sparkon

    Ask her brother. Harry Ong can be found at a CVS pharmacy in the bay area. Or look on people finder for the sisters.

    I’m sure they can tell you. Or maybe they and Betty were CIA actors from birth.

    Xiabo becomes Bob. Liu becomes Lee.

  123. c matt says:
    @Rurik

    Rurik, I think you are misreading Wiz.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  124. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Selvar

    The fact that he saw fit to publish that Cologne article–which, to be fair, he did not write–makes me take everything he says with more than a grain of salt.

    I remember that article. Ron Unz publicly disagreed with the author’s theory in the comments:

    Well, I managed to get some very troublesome software work finished, so I thought I’d take a look at this amusing thread. And sure enough, Revusky is repeating his “if it had happened, there would be hundreds of videos and photos” argument about any violent event.

    Well, I’m skeptical and explained why when he submitted his long article, which I found quite unpersuasive.

    So, can you offer something more substantial to challenge this article? Something other than a deceptive, guilt by association, smear?

    • Replies: @Selvar
    , @Jonathan Revusky
  125. Rurik says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I did not pose the question “Why would Israel want to do it?” in the way you portray those words from my comment.

    yes you did

    your suggestion being that a person interested in figuring out what happened on 9/11, and who might have been responsible, if they’re concerned with the possibility that Israel had something to do with it, should first ask themselves…

    “Why would Israel want to do it?”

    your (presumed) suggestion (considering you’re a shameless and contemptible shill for all things Zion ; ) being that one would find a dearth of motivations for Israel to perpetrate such a heinous, cowardly and treacherous crime.

    But we all know that Israel is more than willing to murder Americans in cowardly and treacherous crimes, don’t we? Even committing acts of war and atrocities against the United States and its citizens, when they believe they will somehow benefit. Huh wiz?

    From the Balfour Declaration, to the second world war, to the USS Liberty, to 9/11 and Iran’s ‘nuclear weapons program’, Israel is a lying, murderous, criminal pariah state. The central sponsor of terror in the Middle East, and a stain upon every decent human being who fails to condemn its serial atrocities and genocidal affronts to human decency.

    That they perpetrated 9/11 is glaringly obvious today. The only question now is how do the rest of us treat that fiend on the world’s stage, now that we all know.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  126. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tim Howells

    That IS the explanation. As anyone who lived through black crime in big cities and noticed crime went down after the Hispanics drive the black orcs out.

    I don’t mean official crime stats that can be manipulated.

    I mean noticing that people can park their cars in the streeet and walk home a block at night without getting raped or robbed. Or that no one has been burgled. Or stores are no longer being held up regularly.

  127. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    I don’t think we can do anything at this point. All we can do is check the black box on applications and go underground. Whites have betrayed Whites. There will be no nationalist movement. Take care of yourself and your family. The military leadership is more anti White and liberal than most government agencies.

    50 year anniversary of the affirmative action act.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  128. @sarz

    From “hip,” sarz wrote: “That said, this particular piece did unsettle me for the insulting treatment of Christopher Bollyn’s contribution. Not even David Ray Griffin has done so much to uncover and piece together the true story of 9/11.”
    … I agree, sarz!
    … Ron Unz knows such near brush-off treatment of Bollyn’s seminal “Solving 9/11″ would catch “woke” readers’ ire. Why do this?
    … And his anointment of Guyenot did the article no favors.
    … As Ron Unz has signaled more work to be done, maybe other discoveries will unfold?
    … Thanks, sarz!

    • Replies: @skrik
  129. Mike P says:
    @Vojkan

    Some people are ready to stretch elementary logic beyond the point of rupture to support the narrative they believe in.

    Make that “most people”. And the Powers That Be clearly rely on it – or otherwise they would be more careful with their cover-ups.

  130. FB says:

    Glad to see this article…

    Let us now suppose that the overwhelming weight of evidence is correct…We recognize the extreme implausibility that three huge skyscrapers in New York City suddenly collapsed at free-fall velocity into their own footprints after just two of them were hit by airplanes, and also that a large civilian jetliner probably did not strike the Pentagon leaving absolutely no wreckage and only a small hole.

    What actually did happen, and more importantly, who was behind it?

    Mr Unz then proceeds to start speculating on the WHODUNNIT part…

    Now, I’m glad to see that he has outlined his thoughts here in a quite readable and engaging way, also providing a wealth of sources at the same time…a very good article…but, and here is the big proviso on which I diverge from the author’s conclusion…that we must now begin to speculate on just exactly how this event was [presumably] engineered…and going even further out on a limb to try to nail down the secret party [or cabal] behind it all…

    Here’s why I disagree with this vector…first is the fact that there is no way at this point to do anything other than speculate…the classic WAG [wild ass guess]…I think that speculation even on the technical aspects of how the events may have been consciously orchestrated puts us behind the eight ball and gives ammunition to the ‘debunker’ camp…

    There is nothing there for us to work with…it’s that simple…even as to discussion of burning debris etc…that’s all gone now…it is impossible to prove anything now, even about the ‘how’…

    However…what we can do very effectively is to completely bury the official ‘hypothesis’ under a mountain of rigorous scientific analysis…involving a number of specific disciplines including not just the structural engineering aspects and the flight physics questions regarding the airplanes etc…but also areas like thermodynamics and heat transfer…since fire is fingered officially as the main culprit…

    Already the ‘truth’ movement is in the lead and gaining ground all the time…if sufficient public opinion, ie a vast majority, is convinced by reasoned arguments resting on sound science and common sense, then it will eventually become impossible to sweep it under the carpet any longer…the case would have to be reopened and there are many legal ways to force evidence that exists right now but is being withheld…

    A prime example of this is Flight 93…surely the most glaring bit of bullshit in the entire saga…an entire passenger jet swallowed whole by the earth, like Jonah in the stomach of the whale…

    Now the fact of the matter is that the government claims that they have in fact recovered 90 percent of that wreckage, but access to it is denied…as is access to any of the ‘recovered’ flight recorders of any of those airplanes…

    So culpatory evidence does exist…it is a matter of forcing the issue…and we can only advance towards that if we continue to build public support…and the only way to do that is by sound science…ie picking apart thoroughly every single bogus explanation in the NIST report…which is a technical document that CAN be debunked…

    We must stay away from navel gazing and WAGs…that is only giving ammunition to the so-called debunkers…and it must be noted that the debunker camp is a total joke…Popular Mechanics…?…not one of those clowns is qualified to assemble a cardboard box, never mind engage in a technical discussion at the expert level on questions of actual physics and mathematics…

    I have seen only a couple of the 911 ‘documentaries’ out there including ‘Loose Change’ which I found interesting, but nowhere near what I have subsequently found…’The New Pearl Harbor’…

    This is in my view the best film on the subject…featuring extensive and precise discussion of the many technical issues by means of interviews with credible experts…the storyline is based on a debate style narrative, pitting the ‘debunkers’ and laying out their positions and ‘answers’ to what the ‘truthers’ have brought out…and then posing reasonable ‘bottom line’ questions after each side has been given its arguments…it is up to the viewer to decide which side is more believable…

    An absolutely astounding piece of work by respected Italian filmmaker Massimo Mazucco…

    The film is nearly five hours long, but is certainly the most professional piece of documentary cinema on the subject…and also the most thorough and absolutely devastating to the ‘debunker’ narrative…a must see for anyone, whether interested in the subject or not…

  131. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra

    The whole American revolution was a conspiracy between wealthy American masons, the governments of France and Spain the Grand Duke of Hesse and the French armament ship building and military equipment industry.

  132. bj says:
    @Peripatetic commenter

    Absolutely! Israel and its Zionist assets in the United States have to be dealt with or they will destroy us. Where is the trillion dollar military who take an oath to defend the United States of America from all enemies…foreign and domestic?

    It is 100% certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. ….And what Americans need to understand is they did it! And if they do understand it, Israel will flat ass disappear from this earth!

    Dr. Alan Sabrosky…former US War College Director

  133. in 1992, neighboring East Palo Alto had America’s highest per capita murder rate, … But then over the next 25 years, a vast flood of Hispanic immigrants … swept into the region, and the city became overwhelmingly Latino and immigrant. Perhaps coincidentally, the homicide rate fell by some 99%

    61% black to 17% black in that time.

    City of East Palo Alto [bayareacensus.ca.gov]
    1970 Census … Negro [sic] 60.8%
    1980 Census … Black 61.1%
    1990 Census … Black 42.9%
    2000 Census … Black or African American 23.0%
    2010 Census … Black or African American 16.7%

    Palo Alto is home to the CEOs of Google, Facebook, Apple, and numerous other leading tech companies

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  134. Mike P says:
    @Anon

    I don’t think we can do anything at this point.

    Trying to wake up other people is still possible and worthwhile, even though that does not immediately change the world.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  135. Rurik says:
    @c matt

    Rurik, I think you are misreading Wiz.

    how so?

    this was his post:

    You don’t have to ask someone who believes Israel did it. You just have to start thinking it through from the questions 1. Why would Israel want to do it? and 2. How would they then plan it?

    Obviously they have to feed a plausible narrative and Al Qaeda and ObL are your conveniently Arab villains.

    if the wiz were a person of good faith, and was sincerely asking a fellow to investigate by asking ‘who benefits’, then perhaps he could be given the benefit of the doubt.

    But the wiz is not a person of good faith, but is rather a lying scoundrel, who uses every opportunity here at Unz to deflect from Israel’s serial crimes.

    So how exactly anyone could interpret his words differently, is quite beyond me.

    When the wiz asks..

    ‘Why would Israel want to do it? ‘

    what he’s suggesting is that there is a dearth of reasons, because the wiz always, without exception, shills for Zion. (I know, I’ve been mocking his dishonestly for years now ; )

    Just read the bullshit he spews. ‘There’s nothing untoward about the BBC or Fox News reporting on building seven’s controlled demolition before it happened. That kind of screw-up happens all the time in broadcasting.’

    Well, no it doesn’t. Advance knowledge of building seven’s collapse is PROOF that Osama and his nineteen Arabs didn’t do it, and that rather it was wired for a controlled demolition by agents in the West. (Lucky Larry and co.) Duh.

    • Replies: @Heros
  136. Vendetta says:

    I personally do not find any of the arguments for a controlled demolition or that the planes didn’t really hit any of the buildings convincing. In fact I think they may be something of a red herring, much like the “inside job” narrative.

    The evidence for Israeli involvement in the attack, on the other hand, seems much more compelling, and much harder to refute.

    Suppose things did happen according to the official narrative – the planes were hijacked by Arab terrorists, they were crashed into the Towers and the Pentagon, the Towers went down due to damage from the plane strikes.

    The only difference is…Mossad was behind it. Mossad built a false jihadist network and recruited the nineteen hijackers, Mossad came up with the plan of attack and coached them on how to carry it out, Mossad set up a support network with its agents in the US to watch over them and try and keep them from falling into the hands of the US authorities before they launched their attack.

    This is what makes the most sense to me, and I believe this is the most promising path to pursue politically. The who is what’s important here, not the how.

    • Agree: Otterboy
    • Replies: @Rurik
  137. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    You’re a chauvinist Israel Uber Alles Jew incapable of objective thought about Jews or Israel, just as Al Sharpton is incapable of objective thought about black crime .

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  138. Vojkan says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Oddly enough, I find myself agreeing with you. Not entirely, mostly. Let’s say Mossad had prior knowledge. Let’s say they did nothing about it. The ‘jet fuel can’t melt steel beams’ so discredits the conspiracists that I believe the conspirators themselves planted the argument.
    On the other hand, I’m not as sure that hacking can’t override the manual override.

  139. @FB

    Well, obviously, ObL managed to find some Muslim fighter pilots who also knew how to fly commercial jets and extract the most performance from them.

  140. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hans

    The cigarette lighter was probably a religious burnt offering symbol.

  141. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Jeeze, what a tedious load of muddled thinking and arse-backward reasoning this article provides. So hopeless as to be pointless to make further comment.

  142. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    Iran’s ‘nuclear weapons program’

    Fun fact: Netanyahu is a habitual, bold-faced liar:

    In his 1995 book, “Fighting Terrorism,” Netanyahu once again asserted that Iran would have a nuclear weapon in “three to five years,” apparently forgetting about the expiration of his old deadline.

    https://theintercept.com/2015/03/02/brief-history-netanyahu-crying-wolf-iranian-nuclear-bomb/

    Question: how many times did “the boy who cried ‘wolf’” lie to the villagers before they took him to the woods and disappeared his sorry ass (that’s the true story – “he was eaten by wolves” was an inside joke)?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  143. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst

    Half the Bronx section of NYC was destroyed by Jewish lighting when the black tenants were organized into rent strikes by government funded Jewish tenants rights foundations.

    It was Jewish red diaper baby conspiring with the Jewish bourgeoisie. Both benefited. The bourgeoisie got out of the Bronx with plenty of money The Jewish red diaper baby tenants rights attorneys went on to run the government for the benefit of Jews and Israel

  144. @Vojkan

    QUOTE Such mass free falling to the ground is, again imho, not unlikely to provoke a mini earthquake, and send a shock wave shaking the foundations of WTC 7. END QUOTE

    So why then was no such earthquake signatures recorded by NYC seismographs? It’s one of the major indicators that the buildings turned into dust in mid air. If the buildings “fell” they would have produced a signature somewhat akin to an earthquake.

    And yet they didn’t. Because the buildings and everything inside the buildings turned into dust.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  145. sayless says:
    @nickels

    Agree that The American Pravda should be published as a book. I think the time for it to be influential is ripening, also.

  146. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike P

    Exactly. The truth will set us free, eventually.

  147. Wade says:
    @Proud_Srbin

    Can we please let Mr Adolf rest in his grave for once? Lenin/Trotsky/Stalin would’ve all been more suitable comparisons for what the zionists are doing to the US. For all the evil Hitler and the Nazi’s did, they did not represent a minority group subverting and attacking the majority group of their fellow countrymen. The Bolsheviks on the other hand were. Again, not defending Nazism but there is also a direct line of descent from Bolshevism to US Zionism which cannot be denied. You calumniate Hitler quite unnecessarily by bringing him into this when history has already provided a much better prototype for what has happened here.

  148. Ron Unz says:

    I should probably further clarify a few points that I tried to make in my article…

    Until quite recently, I’d devoted very little time to investigating the 9/11 attacks, and hadn’t read a single book on the subject. Since 2001, I did occasionally read various articles here and there, but I doubt that totaled much more than just a few hours per year, say three or four weeks of total effort across 17 years. I’d certainly grown more and more suspicious as the years went by, for exactly the reasons I described. But until you’ve bothered actually reading a book on so important and complex topic, suspicions, however strong, are still merely suspicions.

    So I finally decided to spend the last couple of weeks intensively reading and researching the issues, with this article representing my conclusions. Unfortunately, I ran out of time before it was fully finished and polished, so for the first time ever, I think I’ll probably end up releasing a somewhat extended version within a couple of days once I’ve had a bit of a rest from my very long hours of the last two weeks.

    For these sorts of reasons, I’m absolutely sure that many, many of the commenters here are vastly more knowledgeable and informed about the 9/11 events than myself, and if their opinions conflict with my own, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they’re the ones who are correct.

  149. > I can think of no documented case in which the top political leadership of a country launched a major false-flag attack upon its own centers of power and finance and tried to kill large numbers of its own people.

    Smaller scale, but what about the 1999 Russian apartment bombings. False flag?

    Zhirinovsky even confronted the Duma speaker over alleged advance notice of the bombing in Volgodonsk.

  150. Palo Alto is home to the CEOs of Google, Facebook, Apple, and numerous other leading tech companies

    That’s a good white flight city. Palo Alto is 6% Hispanic. The California Average is 38%. That gives it 1/6th the Hispanics per capita compared to the California average.

    You can open a map of the Bay Area and trace a path from San Jose to San Francisco and imagine a CEO looking for a place to locate his headquarters.

    I will list the cities he (or she or xe) will pass by riding the BART and list their Hispanic percentage:

    [MORE]

    1. San Jose, 33%
    2. Santa Clara, 19%
    3. Sunny Vale, 19%
    4. Mountain View, 46%
    5. [***] Palo Alto, 6% [***]
    6. East Palo Alto, 65%
    7. Menlo Park, 18%
    8. North Fair Oaks, 38%
    9. Redwood City, 39%
    10. San Carlos, 10%
    11. Belmont, 12%
    12. San Mateo, 27%
    13. Burlingame, 14%
    14. Millbrae, 12%
    15. San Bruno, 29%
    16. South San Francisco, 34%
    17. San Francisco, 15%

    Now lets cross the bridge and return to San Jose on the other side of the bay:

    18. Oakland, 25%
    19. San Leandro, 27%
    20. Hayward, 41%
    21. Union City, 23%
    22. Fremont, 15%
    23. Milipetas, 17%
    24. Los Gatos, 18%
    25. Campell, 18%
    1. San Jose, 33%

    A smart CEO would choose, out of 25 cities in the Bay Area, the one with the least Hispanic percentage.

  151. schrub says:

    Some commenters here claim that it would have been impossible for Cheney and Rumsfeld to either not have known about 9-11 or not have been active participants.

    It might be outlandish to some say but it was entirely possible.

    Years ago I was watching TV (C-SPAN I believe ). The program was an interview with the very well respected historian Robert Dallek who had just written a very thorough history of the Nixon administration and Henry Kissinger.

    https://www.amazon.com/Nixon-Kissinger-Partners-Robert-Dallek/dp/0060722312

    During this interview, the very garrulous (and Jewish) Dallek blurted out something that maybe he later regretted. This definitely stuck in my mind at the time.

    He mentioned how during the Arab Israeli War of 1973, Israel was at one point on the verge of losing. Then, according to Dallek, something very interesting happened . Active military forces in Europe (and maybe even the USA) were commanded to surrender virtually all of their military tactical supplies (including aircraft) and transfer them to Israel even though this would haven then made them very vulnerable to a Soviet attack during the time that these supplies were missing.

    Who ordered the military to surrender all these tactial supplies to Israel? According to Dallek it was none other Henry Kissinger. Kissinger did this without even bothering to tell Nixon. Kissinger later claimed he sidesteppped Nixon because Nixon was “too drunk” because of Watergate to make a decision. Kissinger, according to Dallekand very tellingly also diverted these military supplies without bothering to tell Secretary of State William Rogers about his plans either, despite the fact that Rogers certainly wasn’t “drunk.”

    If Dallek’s claims are true this is a revealing episode because at the time Kissinger wasn’t even a cabinet member at the time , just a presidential advisor. How was an unelected advisor able to go around other cabinet members to put such a huge operation into effect. It was as if there was an entirely parallel government in Washington that allowed Kissinger to be able to impliment this plan apparently without any input from from either other exective department officials or from most of Congress.

    Who else exactly would have been involved to command these military forces to follow Kissinger’s directives to strip their installations of supplies and divert them to Israel. Did these people also tell the generals involved to command American pilots to fight on Israel’s side in their newly trasnsferred planes because Israel’s supply of pilots was already greatly depleted because of battle losses. Who exactly flew these newly acquired planes in this war?.

    What then was Watergate, the simple break-in that ended up removing a president? Did the disabling of an American president occur because Israel had gone to Nixon as far back as 1971 or 1972 (or possibly even earlier) after finding out from their very effective Mossad sources with intelligence contacts in the Arab governments that these Arab country was planning to attack Israel to get back the lands Israel had acquired in 1967.

    Did Nixon hesitate about promising to support Israel in its desire to retain these illegally obtained Arab lands it had acquired in its deliberatedly planned Six Day War in 1967? If Nixon had refused absolute fealty or even hesitated slightly about backing up Israel, Nixon would have then, in effect, signed his own death warrant and plans to take him out would have immediately commenced. These plans for the already hated Nixon’s elimination culminated in Watergate and did in fact end up saving Israel. (Cui bono) Had Kissinger originally been deliberately planted in the Nixon administration to facilitate this plan?

    Something that hasn’t ever been mentioned about an additional reason for this hatred of Nixon involves who exactly lost money when Nixon single handedly pulled the rug out from under international spectulators by ending the Bretton Woods Agreement in 1971. This agreement had previously allowed the convertibility of American dollars into gold. When Nixon ended convertibility some people ceretainly suffered large losses of money which they then directly blamed on Nixon.

    Something else: Who was Watergate’s “Deep Throat”? It could only have been none other than Henry Kissinger, the only member of Nixon’s close advisors who knew everything but was never was fully investigated and was never charged with a crime.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Anon
    , @Anon
  152. With reason & poetry, FB wrote: “A prime example of this is Flight 93…surely the most glaring bit of bullshit in the entire saga…an entire passenger jet swallowed whole by the earth, like Jonah in the stomach of the whale…”
    Hey FB,
    … Prior to an InZitatus clog-entry here, have a question.
    … Satellite images of USA. Could such be available in US (NASA) archive that might display the Shanksville, Flight 93, incident?
    … Suppose such visual access is subject to citizen “Right to Know” law, but assume ZUS would classify its release.
    … An exculpatory, fig-leaf thanks!

    • Replies: @renfro
  153. All anyone needs to know about 911 is that the buildings, and everything inside the buildings turned into dust. There is no natural force on earth that can cause this to happen. And I am not the one making the claim that the buildings turned to dust. That would be Detective Commander James Luongo, NYPD Fresh Kills Incident commander. Fresh Kills was were all the debris from 911 was sent to.

    You can watch some of the people that were there describe that the buildings and everything inside, including the people, disintegrated into dust.

    • Replies: @Anon
  154. I read somewhere in the comments that ‘kerosine cannot melt steel’, has been debunked.
    How, I wonder, kerosine burns at some 1000° C, steel does not melt till over 1300°C.
    None of the kerosine cookers my grandmother, and also my mother, ever melted.
    Even my camping kerosine pressure cooker never melted.

    Then the Pennsylvania plane, did anyone see wreckage resembling Lockerby ?
    The coroner there explained the miracle by ‘atomisation’, a local correspondent wrote me.

    The Pentagon plane, an engine and a wheel was found where something hit the Pentagon.
    Passenger planes do not have engines in the middle, except a WWII Junckers.
    On top of that, any fool sees that a big plane would have caused far more windows to be demolished.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
  155. @Ron Unz

    Ron, you are greatly appreciated.

    Thank you.

  156. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Jews are long term planners. Aside from the explosives that may or may not have been installed when it was built just the incredible cheap construction and the asbestos spray and code violations lend credence to a Jewish lightening plan.

    The WTC, like a lot of 60s 70s buildings and stadiums were built in high crime areas with the idea of transforming the areas. It was easy to fill the givernment buildings. The workers and agencies had no choice. For instance, after the Rodney King riots dozens of local government agencies were quickly relocated to the Koreatown Wilshire area. The city knew no private business would move back in after the riots The government rents kept the neighborhood stable.

    The WTC was a real gamble for the owners. The owners gambled that enough private businesses would choose to move into a high crime area to make the building viable.

    What if private businesses didn’t move in. The owners would be left with a half 3/4 empty building and not enough rents to pay mortgage utilities expenses.

    So why not make sure Jewish lightening would strike a half empty building 1976 or so?

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  157. Please let me understand how the Israel-did-9/11 theory accomodates some known facts. I’ve read some of the 9/11 articles on this site and they don’t address obvious objections:

    1. Israel is not known to conduct false flag attacks that deliberately kill Israelis and Jews, in places full of Jews such as a New York City office tower with offices of Wall St firms (e.g., Canter and Siegel was wiped out). Why wouldn’t it target someplace that doesn’t have the highest concentration of Jews in the USA? The losses at WTC were potentially much higher than was actually the case, since the towers were hit relatively early in the morning. An hour later and there would be lots more dead Jews.

    2. Israel gets money from the Pentagon (red) and the US Congress. Why make those (or the White House, if that was the Flight 93 destination) the targets, and not blue agencies such as the State Department or CIA?

    3. Wall St is supposed to be highly Jewish, pro-Israel and another source of funding for Israeli/Zionist causes (e.g., AIPAC). Why attack it at the WTC?

    4. The USA is the big financial and military sponsor or even life-support for Israel. At a minimum, this would end if an Israeli 9/11 plot were uncovered, and at worst what happened to Saddam happens to the Israeli government. Why take this kind of existential risk, which would cost Israel much more than the benefit of a US Iraq war (that can anyway backfire against Israel in all sorts of ways, such as making Iran stronger)? What guarantee is there that none of the US intelligence agencies or non-government investigators would figure out who is responsible?

    The most potentially plausible version of an Israeli 9/11 plot would be Mossad secretly financing and training Al Qaeda. Is there any evidence of that?

  158. Olorin says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    When you spend a long life studying human narratives/storytelling, and observing the psychological (which is to say biological) tendencies these are designed to exploit, certain things start glowing around the edges.

    For me one big example of this was, as you put it:

    19 Zionist fanatics hardcore enough to sacrifice themselves for the cause

    And boy, did you put it well to make my point.

    Mr. Karlin, my mind reads that line in the “movie trailer guy” voice. Replace Zionist with Islamic. Hell, plug in Sisters of Mercy or Girl Scout or Roller Derby or Birdwatching or Railfan or Ham Radio.

    How did that line get in your head? To my eye it appears rather like a mnemotechnic shaped charge.

    My immediate instincts watching television that day were two:

    1) Those buildings are being demolished.

    and

    2) The “emerging facts” of the story as they were fed by “government” experts/agencies/PR flacks to MSM outlets were mythically pre-lathed. Going back and viewing real time broadcast streams underscored this for me–watching the morphing of reportage, from reporters passing along actual observed facts on the street or in the newsroom to the Official Version. Which soon became the only allowable one.

    As for the trading in the days (not hours) preceding the attacks, the point isn’t that it was unusual. Unusual trading happens all the time. I recall a quant analysis showing that the patterns of puts on American Airlines and United were way outside normal distributions of “unusual options activity.” Only one near the tip of my tongue is UIUC prof Allan Poteshman’s piece in the Journal of Business, maybe 10 years ago now. As I recall he ran a quantile regression model of the data and showed that if you removed American and United from the set of both airline stocks and S&P and NASDAQ index stocks, they, and only they, showed highly unusual activity in the prior day or two.

    There were other studies as well, but that’s the one that sticks because it was the “holy s–t” moment for me. Also IIRC he got plucked from being a college professor to being a quant for some big financial house, presumably in a security-analysis capacity.

  159. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anon

    And yet gentiles have called me anti-Semitic on many occasions. What evidence do you have for your claim against that?

  160. @Ron Unz

    Ron, thank you for your efforts, your website, and your towering intellect. If we survive, we owe truth-tellers like you a tremendous debt for helping to bring down the gangsters that run this world.

  161. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I forgot about Mayor Willie Brown of San Francisco. He was due to fly somewhere that day. His office got a call the night before warning him not to fly 9/11.

    8/am EST is 5/am PST so CA airports were closed before most flights started that day.

    Brown publicized the warning call pretty well.

  162. FB says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    ‘My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can’t melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked.’

    What a shnork…

    Very curious to hear about any particular technical ‘debunkings’ you have experienced…eg flight physics…thermodynamics and metallurgy…’missing’ aircraft engines etc…

    • LOL: CanSpeccy
    • Replies: @Dharna
  163. @Hippopotamusdrome

    Nice list, but BART stops at Millbrae on the Peninsula, so your putative CEO would have to be riding the imaginary BART from San Jose.

    https://www.bart.gov/stations

  164. @Ron Unz

    I’ve been reading about and discussing Sept 11 since the day itself.
    Already on the day itself USA airline controllers said that it was impossible that the Bush version was true, but their arguments at the time did not convince me.
    But about three years later I could no longer fool myself, the inescapable conclusion was that Sept 11 was made by USA.

    This led to the question, how could ‘our saviour in WWII’ have turned into a bunch of criminals ?
    The solution: Sept 11 indeed was the ‘new Pearl Harbour’, that PNAC of AEI demanded.

    The problem of course is that the Bush fairy tale debunked, we do not know precisely what actually happened.
    That the three buildings were demolished by explosives, the towers by thermite, for me hardly any doubt.

    But I still wonder if Sept 11 was a big failure, the four passenger planes not used, or was this planned ?
    In both cases, where are these planes now ?

    But, if it was a big failure, I must congratulate on the improvisation, and leading the general public down the garden path.

    How well orchestrated the show was I saw live on tv when the rubble was cleared to ground level, and huge quantities of still molten iron were discovered in the cellars.
    The tv pictures of this molten steel quickly disappeared.

  165. @FB

    I agree with you. Thanks for the video.

  166. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Excellent point. Not to mention that those 6% are unlikely to be gangbangers.

    • Replies: @Gordo
  167. anarchyst says:
    @schrub

    Watergate’s “deep throat” was none other than Mark Felt, who was “next in line for the job of FBI director. When Nixon appointed L. Patrick Grey instead of Felt, the “game was on”.

    • Replies: @schrub
  168. @jilles dykstra

    Ever since 911 I’ve been terrified to go camping. Since 911, I am now certain that if I light up my Coleman Campstove , tents 400 yards away from me will collapse and kill everyone inside.

  169. tomv says:

    I’ve only skimmed the article so far, but this paragraph jumps out at me.

    I eventually shared that account of the French minister’s private opinions with a very well-connected American individual, someone in our elite Establishment with whom I’d become a little friendly. His reaction made it clear that he held the same highly unorthodox views about the 9/11 attacks, although he had never publicly voiced them lest he risk losing his elite Establishment membership card.

    Aren’t the “well-connected” and “elite Establishment” designations, which are supposed to bolster this individual’s credibility, nullified by the last clause, which indicates that he holds his views not because of his position but in spite of it? His well-connectedness is probative here only insofar as it allows him access to information supporting the conspiracy theory that is unavailable to the public. Without that, he is no different Ron Unz or any man on the street on this question. Perhaps he just has a taste for conspiracy theories. The same could be said about the French defense minister.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  170. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @redmudhooch

    Being in construction, the Donald would know. My families in construction. Recently worked on the SF Salesforce Tower bedded in granite, not landfill.

    I remember articles about how the cheap construction of the WTC wouldn’t be harmful in the construction trade magazines. It was praised as wonderful innovation to save money but build a solid safe functional building It was a big deal at the time.

  171. Wade says:
    @jb

    This admittedly is the one of the oldest and most effective techniques to silence anyone. Threaten them with their reputation and social status if they keep at a particular topic.

    I don’t think this is going to fly anymore regarding Israel. Too many people are angry about the control Israel exerts over the USA. By the early 1990′s 75% of Americans no longer believed in the lone gunman theory of the JFK assassination. Despite plenty of reasons to at least consider Israel as a suspect for the crime and to further investigate it, these leads were censored by the main media organs of the US and especially by Hollywood.

    As of last year, 51% of US residents don’t believe the government’s official 911 story. Thanks to the internet and all of it’s visual footage of eyewitness testimony to the events of 911, something the JFK episode lacked, there will over the next couple of years be a quick conflagration of the government’s cover story in the eyes of the public. People will want an explanation and as Ron has convincingly argued the “Israel Did It” theme will overwhelm all other possibilities due to it’s relative plausibility: The mental picture of the government spending vast amounts of resources trying to find the other Muslim conspirators yet coming up empty handed all the while hundreds of Mossad agents were being arrested, some with bombs in their vans, and being quietly escorted back to Israel, all courtesy of the dual Israeli citizens at the helm, speaks a thousand words.

    The media cannot contain this.

    The Israelis have really overplayed their hand this time. Even assuming they did not do 911, they really should have turned the hijackers in to the authorities and helped to prevent the disaster so that future administrations could tout this as an example of the importance of continued cooperation with Israel and its raison d’être. Instead, Israel will forever be suspected as the culprits.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @jb
  172. Rurik says:
    @Vendetta

    I personally do not find any of the arguments for a controlled demolition or that the planes didn’t really hit any of the buildings convincing.

    this is all the argument anyone should need

    Since they reported the building falling, before it fell, that means someone knew the building was going to collapse, (at free-fall speed right into its basement in neat little sections to be immediately shipped to China to be melted down).

    I’m sorry, but it would require massive efforts of cognitive dissonance to ignore all that.

  173. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    They framed other Arab and Muslim nations specifically Saudi Arabians Iraq and Afghanistan.

    They probably didn’t frame Palestinians because most of the world sympathizes with the Palestinians and wouldn’t believe it. So they framed other Muslim nations.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  174. When it comes to the more radical conspiracy theories, I remain unconvinced — although I have to admit that as presented, the collapse of Building Seven is mystifying.

    However, I am firmly convinced that the Mossad knew this attack was planned, didn’t warn us, and watched it occur. I’d be curious to know to exactly what extent they facilitated it.

    Finally, the whole issue of bin Laden’s supposed death is only tangentially related but also extremely suspicious.

    • Replies: @Otterboy
  175. Rurik says:
    @Anonymous

    fact: Netanyahu is a habitual, bold-faced liar:

    before they took him to the woods..

    What we all know, is that at the very least Netanyahu knew the slaughter of thousands of Americans was coming, and didn’t warn us, and yet look at how all these sniveling, treasonous maggots applaud that sinister, murderous Jewish supremacist – with the blood of thousands of Americans on his hands.

    • Agree: lavoisier
    • Replies: @Olorin
  176. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Otterboy

    Tyrion 2 like so many Jews you think your superior intellect and reasoning will convince the dumkopf goyim to believe your frauds and lies.

    Not on this site. Your not so clever questions don’t impress us at all.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  177. @academic gossip

    Funny side note. The firm wiped out at WTC was Cantor Fitzgerald, not “Canter and Siegel” which was the (presumably Jewish) husband-and-wife law firm that pioneered Internet spam.

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  178. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @tomv

    Aren’t the “well-connected” and “elite Establishment” designations, which are supposed to bolster this individual’s credibility, nullified by the last clause, which indicates that he holds his views not because of his position but in spite of it?

    Nope. How difficult is to accept that a member of the “elite” might have witnessed, overheard or dug up the truth due to their position in the pyramid?

  179. Sean says:

    Later, similar hounding of researcher Bruce Ivins and his family led to his suicide, after which the FBI declared the case closed, even though former colleagues of Dr. Ivins demonstrated that he had had no motive, means, or opportunity.

    Motive is not an element of murder (although it may be mentioned that the sellotape sealing of the envelope plus the letters identifying their contents as anthrax and telling people to take penicillin suggest the murdererer(s) did not intend anyone to die. Ivins worked with anthrax in a lab, while there is much unexplained about the case and in particular the weaponizing of the anthrax in the letters with silicon, I think saying he had nopractical means, or opportunity is going beyond the evidence. If one sought to hire someone for the job of sending anthrax letters, Ivins might not be headhunted, but I suspect he would make a shortlist of qualified candidates.

    In evolutionary biology, when a biological organism appears to be acting against its own genetic interests, we may safely assume that it has probably fallen under the control of a different organism, typically a parasite, which has hijacked the host and is directing its activities toward different ends.

    That is a real possibility, even though infection with Toxoplasma Gondi has recently been suggested to be what sets entrepreneurs apart, yet the immune system of an organism can also overreact in the style of “destroy the village in order to save it” to a myriad of organisms. The gene variant with the greatest correlation with schizophrenia spectrum disorders out of hundreds that are linked to the disorder is a C4 allele that confers an particularly intense immune or inflammation response.

    https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/schizophrenias-strongest-known-genetic-risk-deconstructed

    https://www.nih.gov/sites/default/files/styles/featured_media_breakpoint-large-extra/public/news-events/news-releases/2016/20160127-graph-chromosome-6.jpg?itok=vgbT4-0R&timestamp=1453912024

    When utterly astonishing claims of an extremely controversial nature are made over a period of many years by numerous seemingly reputable academics and other experts, and they are entirely ignored or suppressed but never effectively refuted, reasonable conclusions seem to point in an obvious direction

    One characteristic of schizotypal personality disorder (which I have read up on and suppose I have a touch of myself) is intense interest in the supernatural (Religion, Spirituality, and Schizophrenia: A Review). Prof. Graeme McQueen is a retired professor of religious studies and that does not mean he is wrong about the FBI having made a mistake about Ivens of course, but it is no less plausible that McQueeen is the one who is mistaken. Differing assessments of the evidence may be due to the fact that C4 a is unusually variable across individuals. Another retired professor of religion is David Ray Griffin (I have Debunking 9/11 Debunking and I think in it Griffin makes a very good case in early chapters that the Air Force were very, very slow and had certain officers shown the manliness of the civilian Scroggins the planes could have been stopped from hitting their intended targets. I think a good definition of manliness is “decisiveness without complete knowledge”. In his Supercooperators Martin Nowak recalled Harvard numbers theorist Charles Taylor asking “Do you have a mathematical proof for this statement or only a physicist’s plausibility argument?”

    For many decision theorists, uncertainty is an undesirable characteristic of a situation, yet in the world of business it is considered a necessary condition for profit. In this article, we argue for complementing the study of decision making under risk using probability theory with a systematic study of decision making under uncertainty using formal models of heuristics. In doing so, we can better understand decision making in the real world and why and when simple heuristics are successful.
    ttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/321948719_Heuristics_are_Tools_for_Uncertainty

    One would wonder why the author of this post invested so much of his time and substance in his original business idea if he was as objectively critical about it as the matters he discusses here. Objectively speaking, there must have been much against the business model he thought up and then decided on putting into practice; many experts considered it foolishly risky I’ll wager.

    The French have an intelligence service that, in addition to being aghast during DeGaulle’s US visit by the vulnerability to a sniper that JFK’s bodyguards allowed him to be exposed to, were according to Unz author Alfred McCoy transporting tons of heroin into the United States. France also has philosophers, Jean Baudrillard’s essay The Gulf War Did Not Take Place emphasizes that the first war against Saddam was a huge massacre of brutally conscripted peasants by America, a country a only interested in having Operation Speedy Express style wars. The invasion of Iraq was certainly not that, and at present is indeed a strategic foreign policy disaster, but is reversing course and pursuing a neutral Middle East policy going to help America’s total situation, or is it now more reasonable to finish the job and smash Iran?

    Continuing with a battle that incurs critically heavy losses can be justified if it achieves final victory. The main charge against overthrowing Saddam was it achieved nothing. While history teaches us the primacy of foreign over domestic policy, the Israel Lobby/ neocon enthusiasm for immigration can be dealt with by holding Israel’s hand as it transforms itself into an explicitly integral nationalist state via transfer of the West Bank Palestinians. The sole remaining deterrent to those transfers is Iran. Saudi Arabian leaders are very far from being adamantly opposed to an American attack on Iran and are making every effort to encourage it, made all the easier because Zionist interests rather than those of the oil industry have dominated the Bush Administration in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. Anyway, the oil interests, including the Russian Federation and Saudi Arabia, would financially benefit from a war to put an end to the Iranian deterrent. It would only be necessary to inconvenience Jordan.

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    , @Tsigantes
  180. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @redmudhooch

    I don’t see how calling for a new investigation would result in anything at all. It was covered up at the time

    I’m convinced Israel murdered JFK with Oswald as triggerman and that quaker trotskite couple helping . Especially as Jew agent Johnson enacted the 3 most powerful antiWhite laws in the 5 years of his presidency.

    I was in college at the time. I was very very aware that immediately after wards liberal Jews proclaimed that right winger Nazi KKK killed JFK for a variety of reasons. Then came the thousands of books and thousands of theories.

    12/30 pm Dallas time is 10/30 am Pacific time. By my 11 and 1 classes both my proudly commie professors proclaimed it wasn’t communist Oswald but right wing anti civil rights Dallas conservatives who did it.

    The 9/11 investigation was as bad as the JFK non investigation. The government of Israel and the Jewish Lobby just won’t let even a suspicion of the truth be known.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  181. T. Weed says:

    Ron Unz is a treasure. When the Emperor rides by in his new suit made of lies, and all the people are afraid not to clap, Unz is the child who cries out, “Mommy, the Emperor is naked!”

  182. tanabear says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    My impression is that most of the technical arguments (e.g. jet fuel can’t melt steel beams, the missing engine at the Pentagon) have been debunked.” Anatoly Karlin

    This may be your impression, but your impression is wrong. You should ask yourself where does your “impression” come from?

    1) Jet-Fuel fires can’t melt steel.

    Even NIST(The National Institute of Standards and Technology) which was tasked with the official investigation into the collapse of World Trade Towers 1,2 and 7 acknowledges that the fires did not melt the steel. The idea that the fires did melt the steel was popular earlier on but was quickly disbanded by more scientific minds. I believe the “fires melted the steel hypothesis” was something meant for public consumption so they could have an explanation in their minds and not question the collapses any further. From the NIST FAQ on the investigation: “In no instance did NIST report that steel in the WTC towers melted due to the fires. The melting point of steel is about 1,500 degrees Celsius (2,800 degrees Fahrenheit).”

    p.s. Jet fuel can maybe burn up to 1500F, however, that is not nearly close enough to melt steel at roughly 2750F or so.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
  183. Old fogey says:

    Thank you Mr. Unz for the website and especially for your articles that are always well researched and clearly written.

    My husband, a Persian who lived in Iran from 1935 to 1980 and still reads the local news in Persian, says that nothing in your piece would surprise a Tehrani since Iranian newspapers from 9/11 itself have claimed that Israel was the instigator of the attack in league with a few Jewish Americans and the Saudis. The Persian press also persistently opposes the view that the U.S. government had anything to do with the event.

    • Replies: @Respect
    , @Anonymous
  184. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    They got through airport security because 4 inch blade knives were allowed at the time.

    There are reports of a gun on one of the planes that hit WTC. That’s simple. Go through airport security and someone who works at the airport slips a passenger a gun. The real danger in airports isn’t the passengers. It’s the low life foreigners who work in the airports.

    One clerk in I believe Portland Maine airport was very suspicious of 2 of the hijackers. He really wanted to pull them aside for secondary screening but didn’t for fear of being accused of racism. He’s white

    A 20th hijacker landed at Orlando international and wasn’t allowed to enter the country because customs suspected him of not being a tourist on his way to Disneyland.

    But those agents were mostly Hispanics and could get away with sending a suspicious Arab back.

    Both those incidents were on the internet.

    • LOL: FB
  185. Joun says:

    This topic is so unbelievable that, though I am confident I know what happened (generally), I somewhat can’t admit it to myself.

    It is odd to know that one is experiencing cognitive dissonance as it happens.

  186. hetro says:

    Let the author’s hesitation and “inadvertent” application to the non-involvement of Bush-Cheney (i.e. denial of inside job) be more thoroughly explained, instead of so quickly dismissed, in further analysis. Why is it these probing authors–Unz, Cockburn, Parry, Chomsky–want to rush away from the inside job question, or allow it to fall into a demonized “conspiracist” meme?

    We might start with Griffin on this same issue, and the contradiction of Bush’s behavior at the pet goat episode. I watched the video of Bush lingering for many minutes after Card informed him of the second attack. As Griffin indicates, this behavior was revised to he got right out afterwards, to clean up his act.

    Of course, a doctored story he got right out might be motivated by presenting him as acting like a commander instead of in a funk or a daze. But that doesn’t explain his lingering, including into a news conference, while he and the school might be targeted in an impending attack. The jet standing on its tail to get him up and away in a hurry is a nice story, but indeed contradicted by his previous delaying, as Griffin indicates.

  187. @tanabear

    Moreover, the jet fuel is consumed pretty quickly. Most of it was consumed in the fireball, but the rest would have burned off quickly.

  188. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    I was in college at the time. I was very very aware that immediately after wards liberal Jews proclaimed that right winger Nazi KKK killed JFK for a variety of reasons.

    Interesting, but somehow not surprising.

  189. In this article, Ron Unz mentions a previous American Pravda post detailing the connection between Zionists and Nazis in the 1930s. This has relevance to the false-flag 9/11 attacks.

    George W. Bush was obviously emotionally unstable, having grown up as the son of a man who frequented the services of a pedophile ring, and a woman who was one of the daughters of Aleister Crowley. He was in the White House because his last name was Bush. Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, deep state operators since the Nixon Administration, were the power behind the throne.

    Mr. Unz is correct in stating there was Mossad fingerprints on 9/11, but the Israelis needed support in all sorts of ways from indigenous actors. Cheney and Rumsfeld are the prime suspects for being the American management team of 9/11.

    It seems most of the commenters here realize the motives of the Israelis and the American traitors, so no need to get into that. It is worth mentioning that the system that the Israelis and non-Jews like Cheney and Rumsfeld ultimately serve gave birth to Zionism, and originated in ancient Babylon.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  190. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anon

    Yes, you’re so smart. You are quite superior. You know the real truth…of everything…everyone else is a dumb sheep.

    Or maybe you’re a lunatic?

    Pick one.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Anon
  191. Anon[180] • Disclaimer says:
    @schrub

    That was fairly common knowledge at the time. The internet is full of articles about American participation in Israel’s wars.

    Among other things, every single American tank in Europe was airlifted to Israel and of course never returned. You can still find in the internet comments by American soldier who’ve fought in Israel. Supposedly there are American bases in Israel.

    • Replies: @prusmc
  192. renfro says:
    @Otterboy

    It would be great to focus on how and why this was allowed to happen and I agree with Ron Unz, that it was an attack aided and abetted by the Neocons and Mossad. In my opinion they were real planes and real jihadis that hit the towers.

    Imo you hit the key with ‘why this was allowed to happen’.
    Let it happen has been my theory.
    Someone(s) knew something and cleared the way for it to succeed.

    If you want to sabotage a bridge for instance all you have to do is remove or weaken certain critical supports and wait for heavy enough traffic to collapse it.

    That every single US agency and check point failed on the same day at the same time is another mystery.

    • Replies: @Otterboy
  193. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    … I think saying he had no practical means, or opportunity is going beyond the evidence. If one sought to hire someone for the job of sending anthrax letters, Ivins might not be headhunted, but I suspect he would make a shortlist of qualified candidates.

    Him being qualified doesn’t mean that he had motive, practical means or opportunity. I know nothing about that case but your claim is meaningless on its own. What “evidence” are you talking about?

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Sean
  194. @Anonymous

    The photo you refer to was a hoax, or more accurately the caption was a hoax. There were no Palestinians cheering the WTC bombings. Its not much of a mystery (((who))) would want Americans to believe Palestinians were cheering the WTC bombings, and own the media outlets that could rig the hoax. Also, the grocery store is called Food Giant, if you’re in Haifa pretending to live in Houston, at least make an effort to get the name right.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  195. j2 says:
    @Anonymous

    “The Alarmist claimed: The acceleration would have been consistent with the force of gravity unless something else impeded it, and in a modern steel & glass tower, there isn’t much to slow the rate of acceleration.

    Anonymous answered> Surely the remaining lower parts of the tower should have impeded it? By inertia at the very least, if not by strength.”

    Anonymous, you are quite correct and Alarmist is quite incorrect.

    In

    http://www.911myths.com/WTCONC1.pdf

    there is an effort of a supporter of the official theory to calculate how much energy breaking the structures demanded (steel and concrete). He comes to the result that it required a bit over half of the kinetic energy of falling upper part. I find the calculation reasonable and it shows Alarmist wrong.

    In the second Quora answer in

    https://www.quora.com/Did-WTC-buildings-1-2-and-7-actually-come-down-at-near-free-fall-acceleration-on-9-11-How-significant-is-the-difference-compared-to-precise-freefall

    you find a simple calculation verifying that WTC2 came down with almost exact free-fall acceleration. This means that there was practically no energy spent on breaking structures.

    But the previous calculation demonstrated that a bit over half of the energy was spent on breaking structures. The conclusion from these two is that gravitation cannot explain both the acceleration and breaking of structures. External energy is necessary.

    The calculation that concrete could be pulverized and steel structures could be broken by the kinetic energy of the falling upper part ignores the unavoidable affect that breaking structures below necessarily breaks (pulverizes to a cloud) the floors above, i.e., the collapse cannot continue much over half of the building in this way. Thus, the believer in the official theory, who made the calculation, must have some blind spot. He simply ignores what would have happened to the upper floors and focuses on at the start of the collapse, just like NIST did. That is dishonest from a debunker.

    It is very depressive to read the efforts of people who try to debunk the demolition theory. Either they have a brain damage or they are consciously lying. I cannot believe that they could be so stupid not to notice the problem, yet make quite reasonable calculations for the energy required to break the structures.

    Just simply try to break concrete and you will notice that it is rather heavy work. Work done in a time is energy. Breaking requires energy. This energy is away from accelerating the mass. Therefore the mass cannot fall on a near free-fall speed. This is basic physics and does not require expertise in structural engineering. Alarmist could be correct if this energy would be a small fraction of the kinetic energy of the upper floors, but it is not a small fraction, it is a bit over half, or at least one fourth if we consider breaking only of one floor, not two as in the article above.

    There are debunkers and debunkers. Those cases that I have checked the debunkers were as a rule incorrect, only trying to confuse people who cannot follow calculations.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  196. @Agent76

    Giuliani, consigliere to President Trump, was on the American management team of the false-flag 9/11 attacks.

    • Replies: @Agent76
  197. Anon[180] • Disclaimer says:
    @schrub

    Wonderful comment.

    I too wondered why liberals destroyed Nixon after he did everything they wanted with affirmative action section 8 endless programs for black grant hustler poverty pimp NGOs.

    I always thought it was use him and dump him and revenge for his exposure ofAmerican communism in the late 40s. I always thought Nixon went along with Kissinger and ordered the help to Israel. Watergate was minor in 73. It didn’t really get going until 1974. As far as I remember

    Deep Throat was Mark Felt a high ranking FBI officer angry he had not been appointed FBI chief.

  198. skrik says:
    @Si1ver1ock

    America is stuck, while the world goes on around us

    With all due respect, no. More in a bit, but 1st:

    WTC7 was control-demolished, ‘proven’ by ~2.x secs of free fall [as measured from the video evidence, say, by Chandler], which can only occur when the supports below are as good as ‘instantly’ removed. Instantly here is ‘relative;’ if just the one [lowermost] floor is ‘removed’ using explosives [the only 'practicable' way], then the next floor above can also be ‘removed’ in the time the building above takes to fall the height of the ‘removed’ floor. Repeat, noting that the time available per floor decreases as the collapse above goes on, due to – ta ra! – the building above now being in free fall = accelerating downwards due to the now unopposed force of gravity. Long but as necessary. The videos show it.

    As for WTC7, ditto for WTCs 1 & 2, although the methodology was necessarily different; 1st stage beginning at the points of alleged aircraft impacts. There, 45° cuts across the full width of the core, plus explosive cutting of the perimeter walls at the same height, begins the collapse above as for WTC7, and allows for sequential floor-demolitions downwards, all enabled by the gravitational *unloading* achieved in that 1st stage.

    The above in turn required ‘privileged’ industrial-style access to introduce and install the explosives. *This* is where I declare ‘inside job’ – else the CIA&Co should all be prosecuted for negligence [admittedly a less serious charge than ~3000 murders]. It does not matter, and never did, who flew any planes [assuming planes were employed], and I just don’t care. Of course, the ‘standard narrative’ requires jihadist hijacked planes, how/why else could they light-off the GWoT? And so, led by the corrupt&venal MSM, the proles all recite: Collapse due to office fires, started by plane impacts; basta!

    Now, back to

    America is stuck, while the world goes on around us

    It’s not just America, most of the West is infested by the same parasite, with the same effects. Indeed, today it is reported that Mme Merkel&Co are thinking of joining the Syria franchise of the GWoT. rgds

    PS It’s now been 17 lo-o-ong, bloody years. Those who cannot ‘accept’ control-demolition as fact are ‘lost’ to the rational world. Oh! Only and as always, IMHO.

  199. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Mr. Unz is correct in stating there was Mossad fingerprints on 9/11, but the Israelis needed support in all sorts of ways from indigenous actors. Cheney and Rumsfeld are the prime suspects for being the American management team of 9/11.

    Agree. That’s the only part of the article where I’d strongly disagree with Unz.

  200. Anon[180] • Disclaimer says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    The clean up crew expected to find chunks and pieces of various sizes. All they found was dust.

  201. @Wade

    Wade said: “The media cannot contain this.”
    …Agreed, Wade!
    … But the talented Jewish Corporate Media could control and “spin” new & improved lies that will serve to diminish old & worn-out lies.
    … Thanks!

  202. Alan Reid says:
    @Anonymous

    Yes, You are correct… Speculations are at EVERY turn in any explanation about these towers, BUT ! How many offer ANY explanation in regards the fire that burned for over 3 MONTHS? How many even deal with this fire in any way? And the other speculations…
    Well i have seen on 16mm film in my science class moving pictures of this TMD system, A huge concrete box with yellow and black barber pole tape on the corners, red shock adsorber devices hooked to the surrounding walls… Having been a very keen follower of every thing about the progress of worlds tallest buildings i learned on that day about the requirements for such a structure and it’s requirement.
    So far after SEVENTEEN years i have heard exactly ZERO about these systems i know were there, the only way everyone missed them and never mentions them is they did not know anything about them. If you care to look up how a structure like this could be built and the requirements to make it habitable for office workers you will eventually come to the need of a motion control system, after that you will come to the need to have an ACTIVE system due to the complex windscape all the different buildings produce in the air this building set was to operate.
    Now i don’t know anything about your level of knowledge of very tall building construction, so i will go with general level, that said What makes the idea of all these floors being built with a demolition charge built into them? The men who built this mega structure would have had to deal with the end of life issue some how, I can assure you anything like this would be very secret…
    But here is anther zinger… These towers are NOT the only structures with this built in surprise. I have reason to believe Many high structures in the dense packed urban high rise canyons have similar parts to their make up….

    Here is the thing i found out, High level construction projects like this one have very strict requirements in construction in regards whole life and liability.

    I also think the Sears tower (Willis tower) was the final destination of flight 93, But folks in the know decided not to lose their iconic structure and had the plane blown out of the sky.

    If that Speculation is true, Then there is a huge building sitting in the heart of Chicago with floor after floor of evidence just waiting for investigation of this claim of mine.

    In your reply you say the asbestos ruled out explosive demo, I say they knew the building was eventually going to have to be removed AND they knew the regulations would be completely against the demo 100% on many grounds, So What rules did they follow? Only rules i found adhered to on this subject was operational requirements of this event and nothing more, Just look at the damage done to the health of everyone involved, I see plenty of disregard.

    Now as stated above i have seen and have used a very considerable amount of time working out the details of the how and the why of many things nobody dared rationally explain… The problem with using logic to explain some secret planned event like this is you tend to expose the truth in ways many find uncomfortable.
    As mentioned way up there above, I have seen nothing that does a better job of explanation of the fire and the CD foot print collapse. Those that know much of the accurate detail of all this have a very secure gag in their mouth, a gag you will never remove and continue to breath air and do work in your field.
    Now you say the U-238 theory is pure speculation, Well i wish it was. Fact is they fires that burned until the nineteenth of December HAD to have fuel, logic demands this fuel HAD to be of such intensity to produce MOLTEN steel and HAD to burn for a duration of 99 days! go through the list of possible fuel to cover those bases and the list is small and lonely.

    Uncomfortable truths tend to give one a bad taste, tend to cause ridicule, I know… i have been dealing with this for a very long time…. But Not one explanation comes anywhere close to mine about these things.

    • Replies: @m___
    , @CalDre
    , @Anonymous
  203. m___ says:
    @Kaffeebock

    The whole of the comment, not the article.

    We are degenerates, incapable of assuming responsibility, after all, ethics equal supreme opportunism. The “bad guys” own genetic drift and opportunity in the short term. We, the degenerates are left with the priests.

    Keep consuming, opium, religion, never achieved what a consumer cocktail from Amazone, Goooogle and Feces-book can provide.

    The Romans, …mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

  204. tanabear says:

    “It is in the following categories of newspapers that the most powerful levers of my power would be found. Here the official or unofficial tone would be completely lost — in appearance, of course — because the newspapers of which I speak would all be attached by the same chain to my government: a visible chain for some; an invisible one to others. I would not undertake to tell you what would be their number, because I would assign a dedicated organ to each opinion, in each party; I would have an aristocratic organ in the aristocratic party, a republican organ in the republican party, a revolutionary organ in the revolutionary party, an anarchist organ — if need be — in the anarchist party. Like the God Vishnu, my press would have a hundred arms and these arms would place their hands upon all the nuances of opinion throughout the entire country. One would be of my party without knowing it. Those who believe they speak their language would actually be speaking mine; those who believe they were acting in their party would be acting in mine; those who believe they were marching under their flag would be marching under mine.”
    Maurice Joly, The Dialogue in Hell.

    • Replies: @Heros
  205. @Anon

    The WTC was not in a “high crime area”, unless by ” high crime area” you mean Wall Street, then you would be correct.

    • Replies: @Anon
  206. @bucky

    Sorry if I’m missing something, but I didn’t see that either in the original articles on the effects of Hispanic immigration on crime rates, or the current one. A pointer would be appreciated. In the current article Ron Unz says

    “Hispanics have approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age.”

    I think that’s incorrect, but I can understand the result if the methodology was to compare crime rates before and after massive Hispanic immigration into particular cities, without taking into account the displacement of black populations. I’m working from memory here, so I’ll happily stand corrected if I missed something.

    • Replies: @Iberiano
  207. Respect says:
    @Old fogey

    https://www.presstv.com/ the persians have this web in english

    https://www.hispantv.com/ and this one in spanish

    information fron a persian point of view , frequently more reliable than the New York Lies

  208. Alan Reid says:
    @Anonymous

    Now here is another path to think, Perhaps these towers were not intended to be destroyed in this manner, Perhaps those in our time took the secret information they had access to and USED that info to plan their attack? I cannot prove the intent was to do this from day one of the WTC project, i only claim the overall planning for this structure had requirements of logistics to contend with to satisfy the lawyers…. They being a vert rigid bunch.

    Just the video record can prove the fact of every floor pan being a demo charge covered with concrete, The record of modifications to those floor units is a very good clue to the hidden explosives. You could not do ANYTHING to those floors, every modification was done with much paperwork and those doing the work were not the ones that could have done the work.

    I heard tell of a data center having need of a few Holes to run CAT5 and fiber lines from one floor to the next, That need was followed by a shit storm of paperwork and the work was later done by another company with long ties to this structure.

    I have zero doubts about other buildings having these same hidden charges lurking in the structure, The things i learned about lawyers and their craft demand this sort of installation to ensure a clean and complete demo.

    One question i have never seen is ” Where is all the steel floor pan steel?’ Having looked for even one of those initial floor structures and failed in all the recordings and photos of this vent i have seen tells me that they are gone, Well being so close and containing a substance like RDX it’s not too hard to fathom their absence.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  209. @tac

    All one has to do is to notice the successive squibs on the successive floors just below the collapsing line to notice that the floors were indeed wired for demolition:

    What makes you think they are “squibs” instead of simply blowout from the air compression from the “piston” of the collapsing section above.

    • Replies: @tanabear
    , @tac
  210. Otterboy says:
    @academic gossip

    Yes, it was Cantor Fitzgerald. The ceo, Howard Lutnick, who was normally in the office at that time, just happened to be delayed at his child’s kindergarten that morning. The firm lost around 650 employees

    • Replies: @academic gossip
    , @renfro
  211. crimson2 says:

    I understand that Ron Unz has gone full conspiracy idiot, but why do moron Truthers always repeat this nonsense:

    We recognize the extreme implausibility that three huge skyscrapers in New York City suddenly collapsed at free-fall velocity

    None of these towers collapsed at free fall speed. If you can’t get your heads around this indisputable fact then what hope is there for anything else?

    • Replies: @Heros
    , @tanabear
    , @lavoisier
  212. @Peripatetic commenter

    that ridiculous guy who claimed that scrabble prowess proves that blacks do not have lower IQs, on average.

    Actually, the articles on Scrabble did not at all claim to demonstrate that blacks have equally high IQ’s, on average, as whites. The author was arguing that the Scrabble results were not consistent with Black Africans being two standard deviations lower, i.e. 30 points lower, i.e. an average IQ of 70, a datum (rather dubious IMO also) that the IQ-ists love to trot out.

    So, either:

    (a) you did really not read those articles

    (b) you read them and did not understand them.

    (c) you are engaging in a dishonest straw man.

    I thought he made his argument quite well. As for Freddy Boy Reid, he wrote a couple of articles on 9/11 that, I believe constitute pure intellectual fraud. And I feel strongly that Unz should not have published them.

    • Replies: @Alan Reid
    , @NoseytheDuke
    , @Anon
  213. schrub says:
    @anarchyst

    The idea that Mark Felt was “Deep Throat” was simply put out to divert attention.

    By the time that Felt’s name was finally revealed, he was already in the later stages of severe old age dementia so he was incapable of either supporting or denying such a claim.

    Convenient huh!

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @utu
  214. m___ says:

    Concerning Chomsky,

    If you want to see Chomsky in a melt-down, look at his comments when questioned on 9/11. After all, his life long activism was based on “the system is not to be questioned, there is only a few rotten apples to be denounced”. His legendary “detachment”, of the supreme intellectual pose (his perks were never in danger over the course of his long career as a public “intellectual”) was lost on these few occasions.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  215. Agent76 says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Thank you, I am very aware of the guilty parties and it is the two party mythology by the Banksters.

  216. Otterboy says:
    @Colin Wright

    “However, I am firmly convinced that the Mossad knew this attack was planned, didn’t warn us, and watched it occur. I’d be curious to know to exactly what extent they facilitated it.”

    Agree. Mossad and dual nationals/traitors

  217. anastasia says:

    Here is the NYS prison population broken down by race as compared to population.

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/image003.html

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  218. anarchyst says:
    @schrub

    Thank you for the clarification. Henry Kissinger IS the personification of evil, right there with Soros and company.
    Regards,

    • Replies: @Heros
  219. Otterboy says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    Thanks for posting the video. This is indeed a ray of hope I wasn’t aware of

    I wish those lawyers the best of luck with their efforts. They’re going to need it but gives me hope when you stumble across good people like this

  220. Heros says:
    @Rurik

    “the wiz always, without exception, shills for Zion. “

    But he sure loves to hide behind his Aussie crypto-jew mask. It is just another indication of how disgustingly perverted “down under” australia has become. It is almost as tragic as what the jews and luciferians have done to Canada. Both countries are lost to ZOG.

    We must recognize that the jew take over of the budding social media companies really started after 9/11 and the patriot act. The slow but steady rooting out of any platform for non kosher narrative to be discussed has slowly been eliminated across the planet.

    Has anyone else seen the new ZH commenting system? They now have limited replies and an “flag as offensive” button. It looks like ZH has been kiked. The question is how long will Ron Unz hold out?

  221. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    Ignore Sean insinuation that Ron Unz is schizo but read carefully his last paragraph in which his idée fixe is expressed for the umpteen time. This is: Let Israel ethnically cleanse Palestinians and everything will be OK.

    the Israel Lobby/ neocon enthusiasm for immigration can be dealt with by holding Israel’s hand as it transforms itself into an explicitly integral nationalist state via transfer of the West Bank Palestinians.

    To do it we need to destroy Iran first but that is OK because some countries will make money on oil. And when Israel becomes a real ethnic nationalist state secure in its news borders it will be nice to us and will let us keep undesirables away form our countries.

    SUPPORT THE YINON AND PNAC PLANS FOR REFURBISHING OF THE MIDDLE EAST FOR ISRAEL. This is the essence of all Sean’s comments.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Sean
  222. m___ says:
    @Alan Reid

    Very interesting theory, not accredited to comment upon it. Are there individuals who have the expertise to comment on these takes?

    • Replies: @Alan Reid
  223. @Otterboy

    Scanning the list of victims

    http://www.toledoblade.com/nation/2011/09/11/list-of-2977-victims-of-sept-11-2001-terror-attacks.html

    some 20-25 percent of the dead from Cantor Fitzgerald are Jewish by name, and some of those names appear to be Israeli. If even 10 percent of the total WTC dead were Jews, why would Israel organize, supposedly in the name of Zionism and ZOG, an operation that kills hundreds of Jews and possibly (if the towers were full) a few thousand? Is there any precedent or ideology for doing this, ie, sacrificing a large group of Jews for the greater Zionist good, anywhere in the history of Israel?

  224. Heros says:
    @crimson2

    Shlomo’s baaack. Now we get to learn once again how jews never lie and can do no wrong.

  225. A con can only work for so long. History attests to this: the Persians sold the chinese their own silk. This went on for several cen turies.

    The Neo-cohen and the Israel con will not last. Biologically Europeans are producing breiviks. Nature abhors a vacuum. I don’t have to do anything except be patient and wait. Nature will produce whites who will fight fire with fire and drive inferiors back to their hellholes. In fact, they will simply leave…out of fear. When Jews fear for their personal safety they will leave as well. The best in centive is seeing another tribesmans brains on the sidewalk.
    The real exodus is coming…very soon.
    This is my prophecy. Take if to the bank. Do you actually believe the most successful race in history will just wither and die? It’s not about having nothing to lose but the converse.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  226. Heros says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Larry Silverstein in his own words stating that they were designing a new WTC already in 2000.

  227. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @anastasia

    Thank you. Very informative.

  228. @academic gossip

    Some are more equal than others.

    Also, you have to break a few eggs if you want to make an omelet!

  229. Otterboy says:
    @renfro

    “That every single US agency and check point failed on the same day at the same time is another mystery.”

    Yes. All their ducks were lined up in a nice neat row and all fell into place perfectly for them. I don’t believe in such coincidences. These guys had lots of inside knowledge and they must have had a lot of inside help too. The timing of the event to take advantage of exactly when NORAD were carrying out training exercises is just one example

    https://www.google.co.uk/m?q=norad+training+exercises+911&client=ms-opera-mobile&channel=new&espv=1

  230. @The Scalpel

    Flight #93 was apparently supposed to return to hit Building #7, thus providing cover for explosives to bring it down like the Twin Towers. Why it failed to return led to Cheney being forced to order it being shot down over Pennsylvania to prevent the possibility of it landing intact.

  231. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @academic gossip

    Yes.

    Besides, pretty much any country is willing to sacrifice some of its people for the “greater good” – policemen, spies and soldiers being the common example. Am I missing some extraordinary moral virtue that only applies to the chosenites?

  232. T. Weed says:

    I don’t believe Mr. Unz mentions in his article (or if he did I missed it) the role of Rabbi Dov Zakheim in the conspiracy. Zakheim, a dual American-Israeli citizen and a hardcore Zionist, was Comptroller of the Pentagon on 9-11. On 9-10, Rumsfeld announced that 2 or 3 trillion dollars was missing from the Pentagon, and on 9-11 the missile that hit the Pentagon allegedly hit the offices where the trillions went missing, and killed a few clerks and office workers. Congress has never investigated this missing 3 trillion. It can probably be found under Netanyahu’s bed.

  233. Heros says:
    @anarchyst

    Watch Kissinger too in this 2 min video from McCain’s satanic funeral. They are all Lucifers agent’s on earth:

  234. Alan Reid says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Ad hominem attacks like Freddy boy Reid are a well worn path to take,

    Why not try REFUTATION of my claims?

    Afraid you may learn something?

    Or do you just have a job to do in this sort of attack?

    Anyone wanting to learn some more might email me at pxdadwsg (at) mail(.) com

    Perhaps the reality is far more rational than the many dis-info agents have led you to believe.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  235. anarchyst says:
    @academic gossip

    Jews have a closed “message notification system” similar to “Twitter” called “Odigo”, that was used to tell subscribers (jews) who worked at the WTC not to report to work on 9-11-2001.
    A similar event occurred at the Murrah Building (OKC) when FBI and ATF agents were told to “stay home” and not to report to work…
    Sorta tells you something…

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
  236. Alan Reid says:
    @m___

    Absolutely. I have zero doubt about the vast pool of accredited individuals that have all the expertise to comment with authority and at length about every angle to my claims….

    BUT those persons don’t say a damn thing, and have been silent for the entire timeline, so we can assume they have a keen interest to keep the pay coming, a hearty interest in not becoming another suicide with a bathrobe belt around their neck, A prominent wish not to have their final ends read ‘Shot himself in the head three times with a bolt action rifle”

    Yes there is many out there with the real info in detail, No you will not be told these things by them.

    It’s like going to the N.Y. Times with claims of concrete proof of Hillar’y criminality, You just endanger your life and the lives of any you may happen to care about.

    Learning the hard stuff of this event is up to your works and diligence. The help you hope for is never going to shit in the pool lest they become coffin filler.

  237. Heros says:
    @academic gossip

    Of what importance are a few hundred claimed dead jews at WTC compared to the supposed 6 million jews murdered by jewish cabalists during the holohoax, all in order to provide a sword of damocles of perpetual guilt to hang over all Christianity until it is eliminated?

    Kabalists don’t care about jews, because jews are far stupider than goyim. They like to use jews as their kommissars because jews are so inbred and depraved that the luciferians know that jews will make the perfect Uruk-hai to keep control over their totally enslaved goyim (orcs). Lets face it, jews thrive on the ritual murder of Christians. This blood lust is the same reason the Tsar and other divine rulers made the fatal mistake of allowing jews to be tax collectors or government bureaucrats.

    Of course, jews don’t care who they work for if the sheckels are paid on time. Just ask those supposed jewish victims at Cantor.

  238. Gordo says:
    @Anonymous

    Those 6% are probably domestic servants.

  239. Okay, if we accept Ron’s thesis that it was the Mossad that did 9/11 then who flew the planes? Who were the Mossad able to convince to go on a suicide mission? And even if the buildings were brought down by controlled demolition, were the planes we all saw just holograms?

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  240. Heros says:
    @tanabear

    “I would have an aristocratic organ in the aristocratic party, a republican organ in the republican party, a revolutionary organ in the revolutionary party, an anarchist organ — if need be — in the anarchist party.”

    Interesting comment, but by depriving truthers of any “organ”, not even a controlled anarchist one, satan is forcing them to march outside of the rest of his minions and their propaganda rags. When he does this, these souls become far more vulnerable to the messages of virtue and logos coming from God in heaven.

  241. Otterboy says:
    @academic gossip

    “Is there any precedent or ideology for doing this, ie, sacrificing a large group of Jews for the greater Zionist good, anywhere in the history of Israel?”

    Err… Yes. Plenty of that happened in ww2 around the holocaust. A British Jew, Tony Greenstein, wrote very extensively on the subject. He’s not a denier but is an anti zionist. I can’t find the articles right now on his blog but found them here if you want to read them. Many others have written about this too.

    https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/mideast/greenstein/zionism2.htm

    Also zionists planted bombs in Baghdad in 1950-51 in order to force the Jews (including my parents) to leave Iraq and agree to settle in the newly formed state of Israel as manual untermensche workers. This is a fact

    Nothing is off limits with that mob. They have and will continue to sacrifice anyone in order to further their zionist dream

  242. @T. Weed

    Seriously? A rabbi and dual Israeli/American citizen was comptroller of the Pentagon? In what other country would someone that potentially disloyal be considered acceptable for such a sensitive position?

    • Replies: @T. Weed
  243. crimson2 says:

    that a large civilian jetliner probably did not strike the Pentagon leaving absolutely no wreckage and only a small hole

    Damn. You guys are too smart. Unz, you figured it out. We did it, man. You caught us. We took a plane and killed everyone on it, then shot the Pentagon with a missile. All to start a war in Iraq that was used to..well, you know all this already.We payed off everyone and yet you figured it out because you are obviously an expert in figuring out stuff. I’m kind of disappointed. We spent all that money on paying off the witnesses to say they saw an airplane. We didn’t think a bunch of geniuses like you would figure it out. ARGH! I’m a bit irritated, but, you know, what can I do? You guys are too bright, too good at doing science.

    My bosses are not going to like this, but I’m ready to come forward.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  244. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    Oh, I skipped that part. Looks like we’re dealing with a third shift hasbara operative here. It’s a late hour in Tel Aviv after all.

    • Replies: @Sean
  245. Dan says:
    @lavoisier

    “Doesn’t anyone want to win a Pulitzer prize?”

    They obviously value their lives over the prospects of winning a Pulitzer.

    This also shows why virtually all of the mainstream alleged “investigative reporters” are themselves deep state. If Sy Hersh, Bob Woodward, and their ilk are honestly so interested in uncovering nefarious activities in and around the government apparatus, why not go here? Even a cursory examination shows how much there is to run with.

    • Replies: @Mike P
    , @Old fogey
  246. tanabear says:
    @Cloudswrest

    Because there was pulverized concrete and shards of steel being ejected horizontally at high rates of speed. This is the product of explosive demolition, not air compression. As well, you would have to establish that there actually was top section at the time you saw all the squibs and that it was acting as a piston. This no one has done yet, because there is no evidence for it.

  247. tanabear says:
    @crimson2

    “None of these towers collapsed at free fall speed. If you can’t get your heads around this indisputable fact then what hope is there for anything else?”

    World Trade Tower 7 did collapse at free-fall for the first 2.25-2.50 seconds or for about 8 stories. NIST has conceded this. World Trade Towers 1 and 2 fell at about 2/3 of free-fall acceleration. However, the debate is not if free-fall then demolition, if not no demolition. The fact the towers collapsed at all and were thoroughly pulverized is evidence of high-order explosive damage.

    • Replies: @crimson2
  248. @academic gossip

    Yes there is a precedent for “sacrificing a large group of jews for the greater zionist good”. It is called the holocaust.

  249. Pete22 says:

    Its clear there was Israeli, Saudi and insiders involved in the operation. How was it possible there was no air defence over DC almost 30 minutes after the 2nd plane hit WTC knowing there were other planes unaccounted for, and with DC an obvious target at the top of the priority list of areas to be defended. Impossible for an outsider to arrange that.

    Not to mention the ensuing coverup.

    If you know another country killed 3000 Americans and still protect them and give them almost 4billion a year and fight their wars at a cost of 6 trillion, what do you call that?

    How were all those Saudis allowed to fly away without interrogation? Same thing with those Israelis who upon return gave a TV interview in Israel saying they were there to tape the event

    Also, the anthrax attacks were clearly an inside job designed to push through the Patriots Act and scare off any conspiracy theories from MSM and congress. The Patriot Act was written long before 9/11

    Obviously, its unpleasant to contemplate insider involvement. I do like to think Bush was not in on it though.

  250. Anon[951] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Yes, you should talk to Ryan Dawson. He’s one of only (maybe) five serious people in this space, he is universally respected. He is also in regular, personal contact, and greatly respected, by all of the major holocaust revisionists (Cole, Hunt, Zundel, Goodrich, etc), to the extent that they are still alive.

  251. utu says:
    @academic gossip

    Is there any precedent or ideology for doing this, ie, sacrificing a large group of Jews for the greater Zionist good, anywhere in the history of Israel?

    Yitzhak Gruenbaum during Holocaust:

    One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe.

    I think it is necessary to state here – Zionism is above everything. I will not demand that the Jewish
    Agency allocate a sum of 300,000 or 100,000 pounds sterling to help European Jewry. And I think that whoever demands such things is performing an anti-Zionist act.

  252. Selvar says:
    @Anonymous

    Well, most of this article doesn’t make the case for 9/11 truth. Rather, Unz argues for the credibility of *other* people who have made the case for 9/11 truth and questions the credibility of those who would refute them. I am questioning his discernment in judging the credibility of others by referencing the Cologne conspiracy article, which he may not have agreed with but found reasonable enough to publish nonetheless. The “guilt by association” is between Unz and the content of his own site.

    As for specific claims, many people far more qualified than I have taken on the task of debunking 9/11 truth. I’ll just address Unz’s claim that it would have been implausible for the passport of one of the 9/11 hijackers to survive the attack. Actually, it’s often the case that personal effects–such as driver’s licenses and various documents–can survive a direct plane crash/collision. There was plenty of other similar debris from both the planes and the buildings that survived 9/11.

    Here is an old anti-truther website which addresses this claim in more detail and quotes several newspaper articles in relation to other personal effects which have been recovered from the attacks.

    http://www.911myths.com/html/passport_recovered.html

  253. renfro says:
    @Otterboy

    (8:00 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Larry Silverstein Doesn’t Go to WTC Due to Doctor’s Appointment

    WTC leaseholder Larry Silverstein is supposed to be working today in the temporary offices of his company, Silverstein Properties, on the 88th floor of the North Tower. However, at his Park Avenue apartment, Silverstein’s wife reportedly “laid down the law: The developer could not cancel an appointment with his dermatologist, even to meet with tenants at his most important property.” [New York Observer, 3/17/2003; New York Magazine, 4/18/2005]

    He is therefore not at the WTC when it is hit, and first hears of the attacks when an associate calls him from the lobby of one of the WTC buildings. [Real Deal, 1/2004]

    Two of Silverstein’s children—his son, Roger, and daughter, Lisa—work for his company and have been regularly attending meetings with WTC tenants at Windows on the World (the restaurant at the top of the North Tower). Yet this morning they are running late. According to the New York Observer, “If the attack had happened just a little later, Mr. Silverstein’s children would likely have been trapped at Windows.”

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  254. renfro says:
    @T. Weed

    Between 11:00 a.m. and 12:00 p.m.) September 11, 2001: Mystery Firefighters Seen Behaving Oddly inside Pentagon

    A mysterious fire crew is witnessed inside the Pentagon, behaving completely at odds with how firefighters are trained to act. [Creed and Newman, 2008, pp. 137] Chad Stamps is a firefighter with Rescue 104 of the Arlington County Fire Department. [National Fire and Rescue, 5/2002] Along with his crew, he has been fighting fires on the second floor of the Pentagon’s outer E Ring. With fires burning around him, he is astonished to see another crew walk past, carrying two packs of hose line, apparently on its way to fight fires elsewhere in the Pentagon.

    Describing this incident, authors Patrick Creed and Rick Newman will point out: “Firefighters are trained never to go through a fire without putting it out, since it might seal off your exit. You might as well walk into a burning room and lock the door behind you. Yet there they went.”

    Seeing the crew passing by, Stamps thinks, “This is totally disjointed.” [Creed and Newman, 2008, pp. 137] The odd behavior of this crew is perhaps notable because there is at least one reported incident of fake firefighters being caught at the Pentagon following the attack there: On September 12, three people will be arrested who are not firefighters, yet who are dressed in firefighting gear (see September 12, 2001). [Goldberg et al., 2007, pp. 170]

  255. utu says:
    @schrub

    The idea that Mark Felt was “Deep Throat” was simply put out to divert attention.

    Nonsense.

  256. tac says:
    @Cloudswrest

    All you compressed air people are the same. Tell me somthing then….WHAT IS THE COLOR OF AIR(at room temperature?Before you answer, take a deep breath and exhale….did you notice a color?

    What comes out instead is PULVERIZED concrete, mixed with other material as can bee seen by its light GRAY COLOR!!!

  257. renfro says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Even weirder.

    10:45 a.m. September 11, 2001: Coroner Surprised by Lack of Human Remains at Flight 93 Crash Site

    Wallace Miller, the coroner of Somerset County, who is one of the first people to arrive at the Flight 93 crash scene, is surprised by the absence of human remains at the site. He will later say: “If you didn’t know, you would have thought no one was on the plane. You would have thought they dropped them off somewhere.” [Longman, 2002, pp. 217] The only recognizable body part Miller sees is a piece of spinal cord with five vertebrae attached.

    He will tell Australian newspaper The Age: “I’ve seen a lot of highway fatalities where there’s fragmentation. The interesting thing about this particular case is that I haven’t, to this day, 11 months later, seen any single drop of blood. Not a drop.” [Age (Melbourne), 9/9/2002]

    Dave Fox, a former firefighter, also arrives early at the crash scene, but sees just three chunks of human tissue. He will comment, “You knew there were people there, but you couldn’t see them.” [Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, 9/11/2002]

    Yet, in the following weeks, hundreds of searchers will find about 1,500 scorched human tissue samples, weighing less than 600 pounds—approximately eight percent of the total body mass on Flight 93. Months after 9/11, more remains will be found in a secluded cabin, several hundred yards from the crash site. [Washington Post, 5/12/2002

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Precious
  258. Anonymous[101] • Disclaimer says:
    @nickels

    If only everyone who is capable could read Ron’s columns. If they could be distributed to every college student/graduate in America, it would be such a help. Kids are basically forced to read stuff like Tanishi Coates to get a college degree now — if only it were the ‘American Pravda’ series instead (or in addition)

    It would be wonderful if our news outlets and educators would expose people to the best of left, right and center. We are in a situation now where the best ideas are actively hidden by those who we’ve entrusted to keep the population informed.

    At some point, one way or another, something has got give. The corruption has gone too far.

    Thanks Ron, for sticking your neck out and doing something worthwhile with your money and talents.

    • Agree: CalDre
    • Replies: @lavoisier
  259. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    There is a lack of direct evidence against him for the anthrax letters and the main exculpatory fact is the anthrax in them was apparently treated with silicon to make it more dangerous, which is something completely outside his area of expertise and a technique said to be not something he ever asked about or could have mastered without being trained in it. However, he had access to the particular strain used and was in fact an eminent specialist in culturing such pure strains and researching them, which meant he had access to quantities of it depending on how he disposed of the left overs from tests. He could not have been tried for the murders, but it is going to far to say he could not and did not have had practical means. His propinquity and access are circumstantial enough to make him a person of particular interest, even if it is now very difficult to pin it on him. The main thing suggesting he was innocent are the statements of his colleagues about technical things very few people but they are in a position to really understand.

  260. @Ron Unz

    Ron, please check the site of the scientist Judy Wood, it is drjudywood.com and her book Where Did the Towers Go and her videos on you tube, she provides evidence that the WTC buildings were taken down with direct energy weapons.

    Also google April Gallup as she was working on 911 at the pentagon and the explosion from preplanted charges blew a hole that she was able to walk out of and she said there was no plane, no missile, it was preplanted explosives and she is a survivor.

    It is my opinion that Israel and the Zionist controlled deep state did 911.

  261. Anonymous[101] • Disclaimer says:
    @T. Weed

    According to Bollin, the group investigating the missing funds were the ones who’s offices got a missle at the Pentagon, and they were recently moved there at the time. There was also an element of evidence destruction in the case of WTC7.

    Just so much rot here, it demands a thorough (real) investigation. A lot of legwork has been done by independent citizens, but it would be nice if some honest eyes could get a look at some of the ‘classified’ information.

    I was shocked at the youtube clip above mentioning the photos the ‘Dancing Israelis’ took were destroyed. Who would authorize destroying something like this? WTF? When things like this are happening, you know there is something seriously broken with the system.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  262. @Selvar

    Actually, it’s often the case that personal effects–such as driver’s licenses and various documents–can survive a direct plane crash/collision.

    Yeah. My passport and DL and birth cert have detachable wings on them so they will survive the plane smashing into a building and the jet fuel going up in a fireball.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  263. Unfortunately, we may never know what really happened.

    So many classified documents have been lost or misplaced..

    Terrible.

  264. @DESERT FOX

    She shows this slide about a guy who can transmute metals.

    I have a feeling that someone is pulling the wool over someone’s eyes, but I have a bunch of lead here that I would like converted to gold!

  265. CalDre says:

    I wrote a PHP script, which I am happy to make available, that studied the effect of the law of the conservation of momentum on the 9/11 official story.

    Science has preciously few laws. The conservation of momentum is one of them, as is the law of gravity. Science is immune to politics.

    In brief, the law of conservation of momentum means that if no external force acts on a closed system of objects the momentum of the closed system remains constant. To give a simple example, if one billiard ball hits another billiard ball, the first billiard ball will lose momentum, and the second one will gain momentum, so that the sum of the momentum of the two balls after impact exactly equals the momentum of the first ball immediately prior to impact (since the second ball was at rest and hence had 0 momentum).

    My PHP script made some very, overly conservative assumptions about the collapses of WTC 1 and 2, which I will list here just to show how extremely conservative they were:

    [MORE]

    (1) the full weight of top floors came to bear on lower floors (i.e., as each floor “cascaded” onto the lower floor, the total weight of each floor above landed on the next level below) – whereas, clearly, a great amount of the upper floors was pulverized and dispersed around the buildings, and not contributing to the mass impacting on the lower floors

    (2) totally ignore the energy consumed in the pulverization of the concrete, as well as casting the concrete powder horizontally away from the building and even upwards. Conservation of momentum is a conservation of energy principle, and what is really being conserved is energy. But in WTC collapses, an immense amount of energy went into, first, pulverizing the concrete, and, second, blasting it high into the air and away from the building, which left downtown Manhattan feet deep in “dust”. In other words, a significant amount of the momentum went into blasting the hundreds of thousands of tons of cement away from the building.

    (3) no – NONE – additional structural support for the floors. I.e., the collapse model assumes that each floor had barely enough structural support to hold its own weight, even though typical design was to provide for triple redundancy or more. This is relevant since it would take additional energy to remove this structural support, since in the pancake collapse theory, the top floors were obligated to crush the support of the lower floors.

    (4) The collapse started at the top and the top consisted of all of the floors above the collapse point, which I selected to be the lowest floor of impact (the 93rd and 77th, respectively). This is conservative because, as you will see when using a higher start point, the collapse time is substantially longer. This assumption is also conservative because it assumes the combined weight of all of the floors above the collapse point hits the floor below it (even though that would not actually happen until all the top floors collapsed onto themselves, which itself never happened because of the dispersion of massive amounts of cement).

    (5) Each floor is infinitesimally thin. This is a conservative assumption because it maximizes the distance the floors above a given floor accelerate prior to impact – i.e., it maximizes the free-fall zone and hence the momentum of the upper floors as they strike the lower floor. The script assumes that, immediately after impacting a floor below, the entire, full, unreduced weight of all floors above it fall in freefall onto the next floor below. One would have to remove the (substantial) width of the floors from the free-fall zone to be more accurate.

    (6) The chunk of floors above the collapse point did not collapse into each other until all of the floors below had hit the ground. This is conservative because it assumes no energy was dissipated in collapsing the top floors until they reached the ground, at which point they were already moving at an incredible rate of speed and their collapse was very quick (i.e., freefall speed after already falling for hundreds of yards).

    I also made numerous other conservative assumptions, including the floor on which the collapse started. This is all relevant because, from several sources, we basically know the exact time, within 1/10th of a second, it took each of the two towers to collapse.

    One thing to keep in mind, which seems somewhat counterintuitive if you are not a physicist: even a free-falling object follows the law of conservation of momentum (in my script, I posited each floor was basically just starting it’s own freefall as the floors above it impacted that floor – i.e., no structural resistance whatsoever). For example, if you have two skydivers, one of whom is on a parachute (i.e., no structural support, but in freefall, though speed limited by the parachute), and another skydiver without a parachute strikes him, the first will speed up in descend while the second will slow down. This would be true even if there was no parachute and one was just falling faster than the other (say because one was spreading his body horizontally and the other diving toward the first, as in James Bond movies).

    The result of the simulation (details below) was that it took 11.65 seconds for WTC 1 to simulate collapse (starting at the 93rd floor), and 10.02 seconds for WTC 2 to simulate collapse (starting at the 73rd floor). The official times for the WTC collapses, according to NIST (no longer available at http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm but available in archives):

    NIST estimated the elapsed times for the first exterior panels to strike the ground after the collapse initiated in each of the towers to be approximately 11 seconds for WTC 1 and approximately 9 seconds for WTC 2. These elapsed times were based on: (1) precise timing of the initiation of collapse from video evidence, and (2) ground motion (seismic) signals recorded at Palisades, N.Y., that also were precisely time-calibrated for wave transmission times from lower Manhattan (see NCSTAR 1-5A).

    The detailed results are as follows:

    Collapse time not accounting for conservation of momentum (or, freefall, i.e., dropping a ball in a vacuum from the height of the start of the collapses)
    WTC 1: 9.23427
    WTC 2: 9.21210

    Accounting for conservation of momentum
    WTC 1: 11.64829
    WTC 2: 10.02089

    Showing the complete times per floor for WTC 1:

    TIME EVENT
    ——– ———————————–
    0.00000 COLLAPSE COMMENCES at floor 77
    0.87834 Floor 77 collapses onto floor 76
    1.24216 Floor 76 collapses onto floor 75
    1.52133 Floor 75 collapses onto floor 74
    1.75668 Floor 74 collapses onto floor 73
    1.96403 Floor 73 collapses onto floor 72
    2.15148 Floor 72 collapses onto floor 71
    2.32387 Floor 71 collapses onto floor 70
    2.48432 Floor 70 collapses onto floor 69
    2.63502 Floor 69 collapses onto floor 68
    2.77755 Floor 68 collapses onto floor 67
    2.91312 Floor 67 collapses onto floor 66
    3.04266 Floor 66 collapses onto floor 65
    3.16690 Floor 65 collapses onto floor 64
    3.28644 Floor 64 collapses onto floor 63
    3.40179 Floor 63 collapses onto floor 62
    3.51336 Floor 62 collapses onto floor 61
    3.62149 Floor 61 collapses onto floor 60
    3.72648 Floor 60 collapses onto floor 59
    3.82859 Floor 59 collapses onto floor 58
    3.92805 Floor 58 collapses onto floor 57
    4.02506 Floor 57 collapses onto floor 56
    4.11978 Floor 56 collapses onto floor 55
    4.21237 Floor 55 collapses onto floor 54
    4.30297 Floor 54 collapses onto floor 53
    4.39170 Floor 53 collapses onto floor 52
    4.47867 Floor 52 collapses onto floor 51
    4.56398 Floor 51 collapses onto floor 50
    4.64773 Floor 50 collapses onto floor 49
    4.73000 Floor 49 collapses onto floor 48
    4.81086 Floor 48 collapses onto floor 47
    4.89039 Floor 47 collapses onto floor 46
    4.96864 Floor 46 collapses onto floor 45
    5.04567 Floor 45 collapses onto floor 44
    5.12155 Floor 44 collapses onto floor 43
    5.19633 Floor 43 collapses onto floor 42
    5.27004 Floor 42 collapses onto floor 41
    5.34273 Floor 41 collapses onto floor 40
    5.41445 Floor 40 collapses onto floor 39
    5.48523 Floor 39 collapses onto floor 38
    5.55511 Floor 38 collapses onto floor 37
    5.62412 Floor 37 collapses onto floor 36
    5.69229 Floor 36 collapses onto floor 35
    5.75966 Floor 35 collapses onto floor 34
    5.82624 Floor 34 collapses onto floor 33
    5.89208 Floor 33 collapses onto floor 32
    5.95719 Floor 32 collapses onto floor 31
    6.02159 Floor 31 collapses onto floor 30
    6.08531 Floor 30 collapses onto floor 29
    6.14837 Floor 29 collapses onto floor 28
    6.21080 Floor 28 collapses onto floor 27
    6.27260 Floor 27 collapses onto floor 26
    6.33379 Floor 26 collapses onto floor 25
    6.39441 Floor 25 collapses onto floor 24
    6.45445 Floor 24 collapses onto floor 23
    6.51394 Floor 23 collapses onto floor 22
    6.57289 Floor 22 collapses onto floor 21
    6.63132 Floor 21 collapses onto floor 20
    6.68923 Floor 20 collapses onto floor 19
    6.74665 Floor 19 collapses onto floor 18
    6.80359 Floor 18 collapses onto floor 17
    6.86005 Floor 17 collapses onto floor 16
    6.91605 Floor 16 collapses onto floor 15
    6.97160 Floor 15 collapses onto floor 14
    7.02671 Floor 14 collapses onto floor 13
    7.08140 Floor 13 collapses onto floor 12
    7.13566 Floor 12 collapses onto floor 11
    7.18952 Floor 11 collapses onto floor 10
    7.24297 Floor 10 collapses onto floor 9
    7.29603 Floor 9 collapses onto floor 8
    7.34871 Floor 8 collapses onto floor 7
    7.40102 Floor 7 collapses onto floor 6
    7.45296 Floor 6 collapses onto floor 5
    7.50453 Floor 5 collapses onto floor 4
    7.55576 Floor 4 collapses onto floor 3
    7.60664 Floor 3 collapses onto floor 2
    7.65718 Floor 2 collapses onto floor 1
    7.70740 Floor 1 collapses into the ground
    7.75728 Floor 78 collapses into the ground
    7.80685 Floor 79 collapses into the ground
    7.85611 Floor 80 collapses into the ground
    7.90505 Floor 81 collapses into the ground
    7.95370 Floor 82 collapses into the ground
    8.00205 Floor 83 collapses into the ground
    8.05011 Floor 84 collapses into the ground
    8.09789 Floor 85 collapses into the ground
    8.14538 Floor 86 collapses into the ground
    8.19260 Floor 87 collapses into the ground
    8.23955 Floor 88 collapses into the ground
    8.28624 Floor 89 collapses into the ground
    8.33266 Floor 90 collapses into the ground
    8.37882 Floor 91 collapses into the ground
    8.42473 Floor 92 collapses into the ground
    8.47040 Floor 93 collapses into the ground
    8.51581 Floor 94 collapses into the ground
    8.56099 Floor 95 collapses into the ground
    8.60593 Floor 96 collapses into the ground
    8.65064 Floor 97 collapses into the ground
    8.69511 Floor 98 collapses into the ground
    8.73937 Floor 99 collapses into the ground
    8.78339 Floor 100 collapses into the ground
    8.82720 Floor 101 collapses into the ground
    8.87079 Floor 102 collapses into the ground
    8.91417 Floor 103 collapses into the ground
    8.95734 Floor 104 collapses into the ground
    9.00030 Floor 105 collapses into the ground
    9.04306 Floor 106 collapses into the ground
    9.08561 Floor 107 collapses into the ground
    9.12797 Floor 108 collapses into the ground
    9.17013 Floor 109 collapses into the ground
    9.21210 Floor 110 collapses into the ground
    9.21210 COLLAPSE COMPLETE

  266. prusmc says: • Website
    @Anon

    How long was the Yom Kippur war? It wasn’t long enough to airlift every American tank to Israel. Furthermore, I don’t believe we had the airlift capacity to lift the Main Battle tank at that time. Even in Desert Storm it took at least 45 days to bring in Armor and heavy equipment to be prepared for a potential Iraqui ground assault and much of that came by sea from pre-positioned stocks.
    The air combat capacity was built up more quickly
    Surely, the US helped Israel,decisively, in 1973. The aid was resupply of Ammo and some weapons systems and most of all recon overflights and satellite imagery. If Henry the K claimed he did it unilaterly and on that massive scale and so quickly, he probably was polishing his image

    • Replies: @utu
  267. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Rurik

    I’m sorry, but it would require massive efforts of cognitive dissonance to ignore all that.

    Or a psychopathic dishonesty and the ability to make excuses for mass murderers.

  268. CalDre says:
    @Anonymous

    They destroyed all the evidence. Including the metal of the WTC towers which was blasted with explosives, most likely nano-thermite.

    The extremely politicized, abjectly anti-scientific NIST inquiry assumed from the outset that no explosives were used to bring down the buildings, and hence did not test for explosives or try to model the building collapses using explosive theories.

    Ron ignores the fact that the WTC towers, owned for decades by the New York Port Authority, were transferred to Jew Silverstein a few months before 9/11, and all the “elevator” work he had done in the WTC buildings in the interim (by Mossad agents), and the massive insurance windfall he got after the event.

    Ron also ignores Cheney was clearly involved (as was likely Rumsfeld, as he had to know no Boeing hit the Pentagon). Cheney not only ordered the stand-down, as per credible testimony, he was also responsible for the coverup. But yeah, the op itself was a combined op by Mossad and Saudi intelligence (that supplied the patsies).

    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
  269. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Selvar

    I am questioning his discernment in judging the credibility of others by referencing the Cologne conspiracy article, which he may not have agreed with but found reasonable enough to publish nonetheless

    But he didn’t find that Revusky’s article “credible”. Are you cognitively impaired?

  270. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    If only everyone who is capable could read Ron’s columns. If they could be distributed to every college student/graduate in America, it would be such a help. Kids are basically forced to read stuff like Tanishi Coates to get a college degree now — if only it were the ‘American Pravda’ series instead (or in addition)

    Instead for sure.

  271. Dutch Boy says:

    “The sudden total collapse of Building Seven, never hit by any jetliners is also extremely implausible.”
    That fact alone is sufficient to render the official story DOA.

  272. anastasia says:

    It would not be wholly inaccurate to call 911 an “inside job”, as Mr. Unz admits himself that there must have been at least some, and possibly many, people in our own government, quite high up, but perhaps not high enough, who assisted the act. Who they are and who they are not can only be guessed at, but it most definitely could not have been done without them. Were they American? We have millions of people with dual citizenship in this country. Are any of them American?

    In regard to the anthrax attack, at the time of 911 I watched no television. I only read theprinted word as I find it easier to find truth when the lie is printed, rather than the lie that only flits across int eh screen in seconds. Harder to put sand on that kind of eel.

    One of the things published in the newspapers at the time was that the 911 investigation was “suspended” because of the anthrax attacks as all hands on deck were needed to solve a problem that could continue and persist, rather than a problem that clearly ended on September 11.

    The anthrax attacks were done for that very purpose. They certainly could not have some fat, dumb and happy FBI agents investigating and finding out any inconvenient facts..

  273. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bombercommand

    The photo you refer to was a hoax, or more accurately the caption was a hoax. There were no Palestinians cheering the WTC bombings. Its not much of a mystery (((who))) would want Americans to believe Palestinians were cheering the WTC bombings, and own the media outlets that could rig the hoax. Also, the grocery store is called Food Giant, if you’re in Haifa pretending to live in Houston, at least make an effort to get the name right.

    LOL, dude it’s Giant Food and I believe I bought at the one in Germantown, Maryland. I’m not hasbara and believe if anyone it would be Israel behind a false flag attack. https://stores.giantfood.com/md/germantown/13060-middlebrook-rd

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  274. @Thomm

    ‘This ‘truther’ schtick is absurd. Remember that Radical Muslims also did a number of other large terrorist attacks outside the US (such as London 2005, Madrid 2004, Mumbai 2006, Kenya and Tanzania 1998, Beirut Marine Barracks 1983, Bali 2002, France 2015, etc.). The notion that the biggest one was a false flag is absurd, because to believe that, one has to ignore the large number of other attacks that Radical Muslims have undertaken.

    You can turn that around. The other radical Muslim terrorist attacks were crude strikes, with a high failure rate and limited numbers of casualties.

    Why should we assume they just got really, really good all of a sudden? I’ll grant that it’s a possibility — but it’s like the lifetime .200 hitter suddenly hitting for the cycle. Could happen — but the record doesn’t make it likely.

    List all the other skyscrapers radical Muslim terrorists have completely leveled.

    • Replies: @Anon
  275. Tulip says:

    Let’s assume that the cause of the building collapse was internal explosives, not being struck by planes.

    Let’s assume that the cause of the internal explosives was not Muslim terrorists, but a nefarious someone else.

    Why bother with the plane hijacking at all? Why not blow up the buildings, and blame it on the Muslim terrorists?

    In reverse, why not claim the terrorists weren’t actually Muslim terrorists but clever Mossad operatives? Why this whole engineering discussion on the “real cause” of the building collapse?

    Further, the Mossad thing doesn’t work, it has to be an inside job because if it was “obvious” that the building collapse was internal explosives, you have to have investigators who are part of the conspiracy to pin it on the planes.

    My particular theory is that Allah was behind the 9/11 attacks, and buildings collapsed in Allah’s miraculous concurrence with the verdict passed on the decadent West. It seems simpler and more plausible than Ron Unz’s pet theory.

    • Replies: @CalDre
    , @Otterboy
  276. @Greg S.

    Thanks for the insider trading link. I have only glanced at it but it has made me realise that there are many markets around the world which could have provided the means for insider trading and it would therefore be a big data collection and statistical analysis job to check for relevant insider trading. Still the recently commenced or some other potential (probably class action) litigation should, via discovery and sub poena, be able to produce the needed information as I presume the SEC keeps more than its own NY and Chicago data. Presumably there would be records of analysis done way back and judgments about it. You have to factor in that real insiders to a plot would be seriously pissed off by opportunists making insider trading profits. You can imagine even the admission that ” my wife got her brother in Singapore to buy some gold” would elicit reproof.

    As to people being absent on the day you have to assume that ruthless planners are not going to let that beca feature which arouses suspicion or leads to whistleblowing even years later. So, it has to have been very selective and barely detectable. You might as senior plotter summon a couple of special people to a meeting in DC or maybe organise a plausible breakfast meeting but “plausible” has to be key, and statistically barely a blip. So… can you really take that one anywhere?

  277. @CalDre

    They destroyed all the evidence. Including the metal of the WTC towers which was blasted with explosives, most likely nano-thermite.

    Please learn to distinguish explosives from thermite or nano thermite.

    Thermite is intensely exothermic and can be used to quickly cut metal beams, but it does not explode like real explosives like RDX or some of the newer stuff.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  278. utu says:
    @Alan Reid

    Zero evidence that TMD was a part of WTC design. Zero evidence that U-238 was used for anything in WTC.

    You have created a nice story but it is a story. Just a story. The story is your child so you are in love with it and you are immune to any constructive criticism of it.

    • Replies: @Alan Reid
  279. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:

    I will entertain any crazy conspiracy but my mom’s friend lives in Arlington and saw the plane strike the Pentagon. I posted this on Revusky’s piece on Betty Ong and was immediately attacked. My mother’s friend in Arlington, VA, called my mother (in Maryland) on the phone hysterically on the morning of 9/11 saying she just say a plane fly into the Pentagon. I had been there with my mom watching the TV news coverage and they were reporting that the Capitol had been struck. Only later did they report the Pentagon was hit.

  280. utu says:
    @prusmc

    See Operation Nickel Grass

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Nickel_Grass
    during the 1973 Yom Kippur War. In a series of events that took place over 32 days, the Military Airlift Command of the U.S. Air Force shipped 22,325 tons of tanks, artillery, ammunition, and supplies in C-141 Starlifter and C-5 Galaxy transport aircraft between October 14 and November 14, 1973


    M60 tank unloaded from a USAF C-5 Galaxy during Operation Nickel Grass

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @prusmc
  281. anastasia says:

    One last point. Mr. Unz states that people like President Bush, Condolezza Rice, et al are not capable of committing this murderous act upon its own people, but I he should think more carefully about the matter.
    After all, we already know Lyndon Johnson is quite capable of murdering his own people, or better, leaving them to be murdered. And there is no way that anyone could have blown the head off JFK without help from the “inside”, before, during and after his head was blown off.

    And what about President Bush, who Mr. Unz somehow believes is a humdrum Republican whose only concerns is about mundane matters like taxes? Did he know there were no weapons of mass destruction before he went into Iraq? I think one can say he did, as did all his “senior officials” involved. Did he care that thousands of American soldiers, and over 100,000 Iraqii human beings (civilians) were senselessly killed?

    I think this tape says it all, and please notice that the loudest guffaws come from an audience of media people.

    Yes, I think it was an inside job, or better, perhaps an outside job, with plenty of help before, during and after the event from the inside. .

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Mathew Neville
  282. @renfro

    renfro, you are doing a terrific, courageous, & timely job!
    … Who else here participating at U.R. comments ever surfaced with the findings of Somerset County coroner, Wallace Miller?
    … Fyi, months ago, the brilliant & M.I.A.-commenter, SolontoCroesus, described his journey to the weird Shanksville-memorial & I trust he knows about missing bodies at “Flight 93 crash scene.”
    … Also, renfro, the amazing Ron Unz once marveled at the volume & quality of comments on a Philip Giraldi “9/11, Dancing Israelis” focused article.
    … I trust Ron shall heed your originals to-date, as his latest “American Pravda” surges along at a 2,000 comment pace, & that is despite The Molten Steel-Star Medal (9/11/2018) being awarded to Laurent Guyenot… uh, instead of the deserving Blackened Betty-Eye Revusky!
    … Thank you, renfro!

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @Them Guys
  283. @Dutch Boy

    You forgot to take into account the magic pixie dust infused in the furniture in WTC-7 That alone is sufficient to demolish each floor and cause free fall.

  284. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    No, that was my mother trolling your mother. She gets mischievous sometimes.

    Sorry.

  285. @Anonymous

    I will entertain any crazy conspiracy but my mom’s friend lives in Arlington and saw the plane strike the Pentagon.

    Strange, because my mom’s friend said she saw a giant dildo strike the Pentagon on 9/11! She lives just across the road and she distinctly remembers it was one of those knobbly dildos.

  286. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    I had been there with my mom watching the TV

    You were a child who did not go to school on that Tuesday?

  287. On the one hand, I can think of several examples of ‘conspiracy theories’ that were definitively proven to be unfounded.

    For example, I’ve read excerpts from several British war diaries of units involved in the retreat to Dunkirk describing ‘fifth columnists’ being seen signaling to the Germans. Said ‘fifth columnists’ are then dragged out and summarily shot.

    Rather sadly, it turns out the Germans had no fifth column at work in the 1940. The Frenchmen and Belgians the British shot were simply hapless civilians, presumably lighting a stove or something.

    So I tend to be dismissive of 9/11 ‘trutherism.’ People used to see the hand of God behind sudden catastrophes. Now they see deep-laid plots. As Freud said in another connection, ‘sometimes a table is just a table.’ I find it hard to believe massive, simultaneous demolitions were carried out, while four aircraft were successfully hijacked by Arab terrorists — and all without a serious hitch or fatal breach of security. It all went off like clockwork, did it? Improbable — and why take such a colossal risk?

    On the other hand, as far as I’m concerned it’s a proven fact that the Israelis knew the attack was going to happen, and knew enough of the details to be in position filming as it took place. An interesting claim that went by in the early days was that the Israelis warned us, but we ignored the warning. That tack seems to have been abandoned — I assume the FBI wouldn’t take the fall for that. On the other hand, the very facts that this line was tried out but then abandoned, that the FBI held some Israelis for over two months, etc suggests a lack of perfect, massive coordination.

    Then again, I find it improbable that Building Seven could have collapsed because the building next to it fell down, or the fire spread, or whatever. It was a modern skyscraper, not a house of cards.

    So I’m open. The ‘official story’ is glaringly incomplete. On the other hand, I neither believe in God nor massive, deep-laid and successfully carried out conspiracies.

    • Replies: @Sean
  288. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @anastasia

    Well said.

  289. CalDre says:
    @Peripatetic commenter

    Please don’t be pedantic with someone leaving comments on a board. And if you so choose to be pedantic, please validate that you are correct.

    Nanothermite (also known as superthermite), simply put, is an ultra-fine-grained (UFG) variant of thermite that can be formulated to be explosive by adding gas-releasing substances.

    See this page for a better explication of incendiary vs explosive properties. Plenty of other sources if you don’t like that one.

  290. @Greg S.

    Controlled demolitions of buildings do not need planes, neither full nor half empty. You only need pictures of planes to make people believe that it was a terrorist attack and not an insurance scam. In fact, you don’t even need pictures, although of course fake videos and phony documentaries of a day in the life of a trainee fire fighter help to create the illusion. All you need is a few people, (not too obviously Israeli) to say they saw a plane, and to add authoritatively “and I know planes.”

    17,000 people came out of the buildings. It should have been 50,000 to 100,000 who came out if the buildings were really operating. There were so few people not because people stayed home or because Odino issued a warning to its chosen people. What it says is that the buildings were already mostly empty, not economically viable, and the upper floors with all those “victims” were also empty. (Real people simply walked out of the upper floors above the phony plane explosions and spoke about it.) The fire department’s role was not to “put out any fires” it was only to evacuate. And they themselves evacuated before the buildings were blown up (the propane burners were running out of fuel) by being told “another plane is on the way.” What a coincidence.

    If it seems too good to be true, it is not true. When some people tried to collect life insurance fraudulently they were caught in two weeks because the authorities knew that the offices the supposed victims were visiting did not exist, although these offices were mentioned in the newspapers as having been destroyed with all their fake employees inside. The small fraudsters were fooled by the bigger fraudsters. But you do need the collusion of local, state, and federal government to make these things work, so there has to be enough money to go around for everyone, and early retirement for some victims who want to head for the beach. And you need the cooperation of the the free press to know what to say and what not to say. Hollywood studios simulated a train wreck and massive fire every forty five minutes for visitors in their amusement parks. A sucker is born every minute. There were of course some accidents and there were real victims, but their names are not read out on 9/11. They would be in the millions. Ask not for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for you.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  291. @Ron Unz

    No, please Ron, not just a couple of days. This isn’t fading, like 50 Year old events into the realm of the merely surprising. It is seriously important and, with further careful analysis, despite the wilder commenters, your webzine could be very important. So….

    Please give us and the Western world the benefit of your scientific background – including your ability to select your graduate students (so to speak – full profs would be better) to help get the science and engineering right.

    That said, I acknowledge your top rated BS detector. High, sharp intellect, wide knowledge and a sceptical disposition go a long way, but, given that your readers all have some sort of BS detector that they think adequate, however misguidedly, it is your scientific thinking which could really make a difference.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  292. CalDre says:
    @Anonymous

    Are you sure she saw the plane STRIKE the Pentagon? Have you seen the five frames of a video the Pentagon released showing what does not appear to be a plane, and the almost complete lack of wreckage? Do you know why the surveillance videos of the areas are still classified as top secret? I mean, what is so secret about a plane crash? How could that harm national security?

    I was also confused about the witness account but there is an excellent video which explains that these people really did see what they think they did – except the plane DID NOT strike the Pentagon, but flew barely over it (i.e., it followed a path as if it were to hit the Pentagon, but at the last moment, pulled up and flew over it). I can’t find that video at the moment but there is an excerpt at

    and similar evidence in Jesse Ventura’s Conspiracy Theory segment on the Pentagon on 9/11.

  293. anastasia says:

    On September 8th, Russia Today reported that US jets dropped phosphorus bombs on the province of Deir al-Zor, which I am sure is full of civilians. They denied it. The US military said they don’t even have any phosphorous bombs.

    I had wondered if this was reported in any US publication or media site, so I ran a search under phosphorus and Deir al Zor and found that the story was reported by Japan, India, all the countries of the mid-east and even in the Jersualem Post, but it was not reported in any US newspaper or media site.

    Phosphorus bombs. What kind of human being does that?

    I recall when we killed thousands of civilians in Mosul and the US was called before the UN to explain what happened. It was a week after the event. They said they needed more time to investigate, even though it was their own actors who did the bombing. Yet, Trump knew in 24 hours that Assad used chemical weapons on his own people, even though we had no presence there? Trump then sent out a “tweet” one week before he bombed Syria, saying, “the bombs are coming.” I had wondered at the time how well the Syrian people slept that week, and could only imagine Putin sending out a tweet to us that “the bombs are coming.”

    What kind of human being does that?

    People in our country are not capable of killing their own citizens, you say? I don’t go to malls or theatres or ballgames, nor do I fly on planes anymore. Do you?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  294. Mike P says:
    @Dan

    If Sy Hersh, Bob Woodward, and their ilk are honestly so interested in uncovering nefarious activities in and around the government apparatus, why not go here?

    With Sidney Hersh, that question is valid – he has shown some real courage in connection with other stories. Bob Woodward of course is and has always been a CIA tool.

    • Replies: @Anon
  295. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    For these sorts of reasons, I’m absolutely sure that many, many of the commenters here are vastly more knowledgeable and informed about the 9/11 events than myself, and if their opinions conflict with my own, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they’re the ones who are correct.

    No, Ron, it’s not your ignorance of the facts, however ignorant you may be of the facts. It’s an idiot-savant level of complete tone deafness about political reality. Either that, or you’re attempting to develop a new line of cover for the perps, now that the damning facts about the mode of the WTC Buildings’ collapse, the NORAD stand-down and much else have ceased to be controversial. Here’s the money quote:

    The whole scenario of top American leaders being the masterminds behind 9/11 is beyond ridiculous, and those 9/11 Truthers who make or imply such claims—doing so without a single shred of solid evidence—have unfortunately played a major role in discrediting their entire movement. In fact, the common meaning of the “inside job” scenario is so patently absurd and self-defeating that one might even suspect that the claim was encouraged by those seeking to discredit the entire 9/11 Truth movement as a consequence.

    So we are to dismiss the idea that the President of the United States the Director of the CIA and sundry other people who direct the political, military and intelligence affairs of the United States actually know what the Hell is going on, and therefore, could have have had no advance knowledge of 9/11, notwithstanding that the US had been given multiple warnings of the impending attack by foreign intelligence services, and the fact that Bush, to his annoyance, had been briefed about what was likely coming down.

    I’m sorry, but your Review is either a propaganda operation, or a rather sad example of how high IQ and lots of cash mean damn all when it comes to understanding the human heart in all its deviousness, and especially the deviousness of those who have climbed to the very pinnacle of power.

    As for your claim that never in the history of mankind has any state murdered its own citizens for political purposes, so what, even if that claim were true? The disaster of mass democracy is new and the means to ensure that the masses obey the leaders rather than the leaders being compelled, against all reason, to obey the wishes of the masses will obviously be different from the means adopted by all other forms of government that have been tried throughout past ages.

    And, since WW2, the practice of government-instigated murder of innocent citizens of democratic countries under the guise of terrorism is not a novelty, but a well-established practice as anyone who has made a study of NATO’s Operation Gladio, the Bologna rail bombing masssacre, etc. would know.

    • Replies: @CalDre
    , @Anonymous
    , @Wade
  296. Alan Reid says:
    @utu

    Ok UTU, Hit it… Give it your best shot… go hard and leave no part out, I have a whole bunch of time to entertain heap and heaps of constructive criticism… so throw down for everyone to judge your veracity…
    You claim the towers did not have TMD systems, tell us why, and how you know different…. then explain how buildings like these could have been possible without them… As to your claim of zero evidence, well that is not true at all… as i have stated…

  297. @Wizard of Oz

    Another line of thinking to follow through. Given that the plot has to be one in which the plausibility of it all being fanatical Arabs committing murder-suicide with planes is maintained how can WTC 7 be part of the plan?

    Could it be a double bluff? Thus we would be supposed to think “No plotters would be stupid enough to include a demolition of WTC 7 in their plot”?

    No, it can’t have depended on fires started by debris from one of the towers so WTC 7 raises a serious problem for anyone trying to argue that it was other than an accident. And that of course has a bearing on those who try to argue that the fires and gravity weren’t enough – though I haven’t noticed many (any) of the UR truthers distinguishing, as NIST did, between the different ways heat acted to bring down WTC7 compared with the Twin Towers.

  298. As a relatively new reader of your site my early opinion has been very positive. You are a well informed man, and an excellent writer who has surrounded himself with cadre of contributors which enhances my early impression. Your archive software was definitely needed, and brilliant. However, I am puzzled at how you, such an obviously smart man could have misdiagnosed 911, and fell for the early cover story. I am not an intellectual, physicist or engineer, but I’m a salesman who can spot bullshit. On 911, like many Americans, I watched with others around our office television as the towers collapse. But, I knew 56 minutes before the south tower fell that it was all bullshit. When the 2nd plane sliced through the outer wall I was already silently doubting what I was seeing, and when the undamaged nose of that airplane came out the other side of the tower, well I knew it was all bullshit, and I began uncontrollably repeating out loud, and over and over that it was all bullshit. Everyone looked at me as if I was a traitor but, throughout the day the news channels just kept corroborating my suspicions with reports like that of the magic passport belonging to one of the (never proven to be) hijackers being found by the NYPD on the sidewalk. We were asked to believe the titanium black boxes disintegrated, but a paper and plastic document survived the collisions and fires. Or suddenly the laws of physics changed, and in less than an hour an 1100 degree fire heated through hundreds of miles of reinforced steel to cause a pancake collapse. And, by the way viewers, don’t pay attention to those 60 ton beams that just launched into space, and disappeared in front of your eyes. That didn’t happen. How about that female reporting for a British TV network? She was reporting live from Manhattan that just moments ago Trade Center Building 7 had fallen, again due to office fires. But there was a problem. Her news hadn’t happened yet. Building 7 was still standing, and clearly visible over her right shoulder. It wouldn’t fall for another 20 or more minutes. I just mentioned 4 of the more obvious, and questionable. There were plenty of others. Too many for a smart man to miss, especially for months.
    Another thing bothering me is what you said about Rumsfeld, and I quote. “Both Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld were then widely regarded as Bush Republicans, lacking any significant Neocon ties, … “. Wasn’t Rumsfeld part of the Project For A New American Century in the late 90′s, along with all those other in need of new Pearl Harbor , neocons?
    Anyway Ron, I do like your stuff, but you are leaving yourself suspect, and open to questions.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
    , @T. Weed
  299. CalDre says:
    @Tulip

    Why bother with the plane hijacking at all? Why not blow up the buildings, and blame it on the Muslim terrorists?

    Because then there would be an investigation of the explosives, and where they came from, and who placed them there.

    In reverse, why not claim the terrorists weren’t actually Muslim terrorists but clever Mossad operatives?

    Why would the culprits expose themselves? WTF?

    because if it was “obvious” that the building collapse was internal explosives, you have to have investigators who are part of the conspiracy to pin it on the planes.

    And that, my dear, is precisely what happened. Cheney was point man on the cover-up. The NIST, which was the sole group to investigate the building collapses, expressly stated that they did not test for explosives because they concluded, before their investigation (i.e., Cheney told them), that no explosives were used. So they did not even investigate explosives at all, they did not test for explosive residue in the metal or dust samples, they did not do anything to check if the buildings were demolished. Nothing. Nada.

    Capiche?

  300. @ploni almoni

    Are you arguing that it was or might have been essentially an insurance scam? If no, I can read on past that suggestion. If yes, you are barmy.

    • Replies: @Anon
  301. @Anonymous

    My deepest apologies anon 266, however you should be aware the photo you refer to is a hoax. BTW, Food Giant is a Houston Texas grocery chain.

  302. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Wolfowitz has been making his career on anti Iraq agenda fromm1979 His angst hatred against Saddam dates back to 1979 His love for Israel goes back to his genetic code. 1991 he was telling Wesley Clarke abut defeating Iraq Iran Libya Somalia Yemen and Syria . Its not that he was in favor of Palestine He is a sponsor of 1996 PNAC doc which states the peace fr land is wrong . In 1993 WTC bombing he tried to put the blame on Iraq. His friend Perle Lut Scooter Kagan Kristol and Kruthamhher made their intentions clear long ago- remove Saddam ad kill other regimes. They couldn’t say same against Palestine because of Oslo was American policy . They just could not go after directly against PA at that time
    They had to wait It was safer fr them to create anti Muslim hatred and engulf the entire region and hope for Palestine get snared.
    It doesn’t mean they did not try to blame periodically and later .Sharon was blaming Palestine authority and Arafat to be nothing but off shoot f Al Quiada No one bought it .

    May be you should ask the neocons why they did not blame Arafat r PA. Was it because West Bank and Jerusalem and Gaza were very close to Israel , very close to Sharon’s future grave and Netanyahu’s brothel frequented by his son
    ???

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @anon
  303. Sean says:
    @utu

    Ignore Sean insinuation that Ron Unz is schizo

    I said nothing of the kind, I merely pointed out that the manipulation by parasites Unz brought up is unlikely to be a good explanation for why people have odd perceptions because immune systems are very very powerful and often too powerful. I happen to think countries can be conceptualised as living things that try to survive by fighting off foreign influences and in the same way as human immune systems are difficult to beat and sometimes do more damage than what they are fighting the idea that one must reject harmful memes is useful, but can be taken too far. Those two professors he cites are both interested in spirituality and ethereal matters and thus their academic repute is in a certain subject, one which may be an indication of their unusual style of processing information.

    Griffin in particular has a considerable reputation for original thinking in his area of expertise, and as I point out Unz set up a business under conditions of uncertainty and succeeded in grand style, while others did not dare. Quite possibly Griffin and Unz have superior cognitive faculties, but they also knew what they were doing so well that their gut feelings about the myriad inevitable unknowns in their projects were quite reliable. So all I would say about Unz is he is maybe less secure in taking even tiny leaps into uncertainty about fields in which he lacks a grounding in and his default is thus (so to speak) “Do you have a mathematical proof for this statement or only a physicist’s plausibility argument?”. In other words, I see the post’s train of thought on these matters as highly conservative decision making about things known relatively little about and thus assessed by falling back on explicit formal logic and deferring to authorities such as Griffin instead of an intuition from a broad based understanding.

    And when Israel becomes a real ethnic nationalist state secure in its news borders it will be nice to us and will let us keep undesirables away form our countries.

    No, I just think it will act to take the steam out of the Israel Lobby opposition to immigration restriction in the West.

    SUPPORT THE YINON AND PNAC PLANS FOR REFURBISHING OF THE MIDDLE EAST FOR ISRAEL. This is the essence of all Sean’s comments.

    I am not aware of them ever advocating it, and that is the whole point of encouraging something so valuable for Israel and yet so divisive for the beating Diaspora heart of the pro immigration lobby.

  304. anastasia says:

    [Using allcaps in comments is shouting. Stop shouting or your comments will be trashed.]

    I WISH MR. UNZ WOULD WRITE ABOUT VINCE FOSTER. HE DID NOT KILL HIMSELF.

    HE DID NOT KILL HIMSELF. READ DCDAVE.COM

  305. Alan Reid says:
    @DESERT FOX

    Here is another issue i have dealt with in the past…

    The story was ‘The melted vehicles of 9/11′ From a forum called Wake Up From Your Slumber…

    This forum was the first spot that i went to town on the stupid things said about this event and wild explanations of the event and the weird things that befell the area.

    There was over 1200 cars, buses ,trucks and other vehicles Totally destroyed in the area, Many were burned in very weird ways, Much was debated about the causes of those effects and what may have caused them.

    My thinking about this EM effect you can see in some of the video post collapse of the afterglow, and weird shit like the ‘Spire” collapse led me to ask for what reason would you want to do such a thing… my thinking was to clean up any residue of those U-238 granules that may be left upon the surface in the area…. Hit the area with enough power to cause them to combust and so be removed…

    But all that is a whole 30,000 word tell all by it’s self, But i can still quote the entire thread from top to bottom from that time even though it has been scrubbed from the net by Tom Sullivan. That was the first real workout i had dealing with persons paid to debunk things that they could not debunk.

    Anyone that was privy to that post from 2009 was witness to much of the gate-keeping about fires and their causes of this event…. It’s been a long time and i have visited many forums since then and Not one plausible refutation has ever been forthcoming, EVER.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Alan Reid
    , @Old fogey
  306. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Can you explain the instant messaging service warning Israelis to stay away from WTC 2 hours before the strikes by Planes ?

    Can you explain the dancing ?
    Can you explain further seizures of maps cardboard cutters in the hands of the Israeli citizen after 911?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  307. Mike P says:
    @Peripatetic commenter

    Yeah. My passport and DL and birth cert have detachable wings on them so they will survive the plane smashing into a building and the jet fuel going up in a fireball.

    Better get rid of those before they (and you) get used in the next false flag school shooting.

  308. @The Scalpel

    Yes, you are quite right. Nothing was found at the crash site in Shanksville Pennsylvania. I don’t even know why they call it a crash site, but they do. Only some garbage brought in from a nearby dump. Except, of course, they did find alleged hijacker Ziad Jerrah’s passport clearly proving he was there. The terrorists always drop their passports at the scene of the crime, both in the US and in France, in order to frame themselves. I guess you could call it their modus operandi.

    • Replies: @Haxo Angmark
  309. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bombercommand

    Not really high crime but getting there and the neighborhood was deteriorating. The WTC was supposed to rejuvenate the area and it did.

  310. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alan Reid

    I remember the post office parking lot all the vehicles destroyed.

    • Replies: @Alan Reid
  311. CalDre says:
    @CanSpeccy

    In all fairness, that’s called political cover. He does not want to accuse US government officials of such crimes absent more solid evidence.

    Of course, it is well known both Cheney and Rumsfeld, who Unz seeks to “protect”, were PNAC men (along with J. Bolton and the assorted other neo-con filth) who sold his soul to the Satan (Israel) long before 9/11. He signed PNAC’s “new 9/11″ wish/prophesy, and drafted the list of countries, including Iraq, to destroy, long before 9/11, and gleefully participated in its fulfillment, including 9/11 (his role, at the command center, was to order a stand-down and release of any Mossad agents caught and to stifle any investigation afterward – i.e., he was the critical piece, the stand-down and cover-up piece, without which Israel would have been caught.

    Cheney is such a despicable monster, if I were ever to meet him in person, I do not think I could stop myself from trying to rip out his satanic throat.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  312. CalDre says:
    @Lot

    the foreseeable result of which would be giving its main enemy Iran a free hand innthe Shiite half of the nation

    But, as General Clark pointed out, Iran itself was to be taken out within 5 years. They were just unable to realize their full plans, so yeah, end of the day it hasn’t worked out completely – yet. Iran is still on the table, in case you haven’t noticed. They are trying to overthrow the government and replace with a puppet one way or another.

    • Replies: @Lot
  313. @anon

    anon # 228 asked Katlin: “Can you explain the instant messaging service warning Israelis to stay away from WTC 2 hours before the strikes by Planes ?”
    Hi # 228,
    … Unsure what Anatoly could explain, but in “Lies and the lying liars who tell them,” the grope-scandalized ex-Senator, Al Franken, explained his weird 9/11 family experience with an “instant messaging service.”
    … At any rate, please refer below to a former airport ticket-manager’s expression of guilt for 9/11. (zzZigh) My copy of C. Bollyn’s “Solving 9/11″ is loaned out, but I recall how he mentioned the name of an Israeli company which managed to get security contracts at American airports.

    … Thanks # 228! Uh, may I call you Two-To-Ate?

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  314. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Larry Silverstein was offered a settlement by the company. He refused it went to court and won billions more than the first offer. It was just a more elaborate Jewish lightening scam than normal

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  315. @wandaskudnik

    Ron Unz is merely human. As an”early adopter” of the holyco$t hoax (since 1985) I fancied myself above the BS.

    But taking the step to believing that my own government was involved in 911 was a bridge too far for me. I didn’t believe it for many years, and I woudn’t look.

    Until I accidentally saw the penthouse on WTC 7 committing suicide about 7 seconds before the rest of the building committed suicide. I’m embarrassed that it took me so long, but it did.

    Not all of us are blessed with the ability to instantly deprogram ourselves. And not all of us are blessed with Unz’ writing skills. On the whole, I prefer him on our side.

    • Replies: @Anon
  316. anarchyst says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    The jewish message service is called “Odiga” and was used to inform jews who worked in the WTC not to report to work.

    • Replies: @Haxo Angmark
  317. Thanks for this article, ot contains some interesting information I haven’t considered so far.
    However, there’s one thing you need to keep in mind:

    Nobody, not even Israel, could have pulled this off without inside assistance. Israel can do a lot of things, but they can’t force NORAD and the Pentagon’s air defenses to stand down. Bush’s secretary of transportation, Norman Mineta, clearly indicated Cheney gave (or at the very least confirmed) that stand-down order. (Don’t take my word for it, search for Mineta Cheney “does the order still stand” on Yandex, DuckDuckGo or the likes.)
    Israel could have fed Cheney disinfo to draw false conclusions, but what sort of disinfo would make him issue and stick with a stand-down order? I can’t think of anything there.

    Israel couldn’t have told the Secret Service not to rush Bush to safety when he was at a well-publicized event a mere 8 miles from an airport. They knew that Bush wasn’t a target.

    Bush lied about how he found out what was going on – said he saw the first plane impact on TV before the second plane hit. But that’s not possible, footage of the first plane hitting was aired a lot later. Israel couldn’t have made him do that.

    Israel could very well have “leaked” false intel to cause the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq in “retaliation”, but could Israel by itself have caused all investigations to conclude there was no wrongdoing whatsoever except the ridiculous 19 Arabs with boxcutters? Robert Mueller “fixed” the investigations, not Israel.

    9/11 may not have been the sole work of Bush administration insiders — but at the very least, some very high up insiders were in on it.

    If you look at who had the opportunity to rig the WTC towers with demolition charges, all evidence points at a security company with Marvin Bush on its board.

    Israel by itself couldn’t have made sure that nobody involved got punished (not a single military person degraded or so for failing to act? Really, unless they were following exactly their orders?)

    If you search the net for “Rebuilding America’s Defenses”/”New Pearl Harbor”, you’ll find that several Bush insiders (including a lot who also have ties to Israel) were calling for invasion of the Middle East, shredding the Constitution (AKA Patriot Act), and massive increases in military spending (all of which happened because of 9/11) — and they pointed out that the public at large would never accept those measures absent a triggering event, like a “New Pearl Harbor”, about a year before the new Pearl Harbor they were waiting for happened. Coincidence? Unlikely.

    I think it is clear beyond reasonable doubt that Bush administration insiders and Israel were collaborating on this one.
    I’ll go a step further and name some guilty individuals (this list is by no means complete):

    Dick Cheney. There’s no other explanation for his stand-down order.
    Binyamin Netanyahu. (“This is very good…”, sent the Mossad agents to “document the event”)
    Robert Mueller. (Might not have been involved in pulling it off, but he was certainly involved in the coverup.)
    Larry Silverstein. (Demolition charges planted, at the very least had advance knowledge so he could commit insurance fraud)
    Dov Zakheim (Pentagon comptroller who “lost” trillions, previous job at Systems Planning Corp. developing the very kind of remote controllable plane technology that was likely used to steer the planes into their targets)
    Buzz Krongard (Highly involved in the put option trading)

    Very likely guilty, but with less solid proof:
    Donald Rumsfeld
    Paul Wolfowitz
    Richard Perle
    Michael Chertoff
    George Bush Sr.
    Geroge W. Bush
    Marvin Bush
    All members of the 9/11 commission (for the coverup)
    John McCain
    Bill and Hillary Clinton (Bush was in office for 9 months when it happened. Planning this took longer than that, more likely than not the parts of the plan to be carried out on the inside were in the making during the previous administration. And of course Hillary was a main cheerleader for the resulting wars.)

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Wizard of Oz
  318. lavoisier says: • Website
    @crimson2

    We recognize the extreme implausibility that three huge skyscrapers in New York City suddenly collapsed at free-fall velocity

    Indeed. And it is that implausibility that forces anyone with an ounce of intellectual integrity to question the narrative.

  319. @lavoisier

    Ron should get a Pulitzer for all the investigative work he’s done.

    He won’t of course. Instead it will go to a black, female “journalist” writing the one millionth article about her experiences as a black woman in America.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
  320. Achilles says:

    it seemed that some Israeli Mossad agents had been caught while filming that plane attacks in NYC, while a much larger Mossad “art student” spy operation around the country had also been broken up around the same time.

    During the 1940s, even prior to the establishment of the State of Israel, the various Zionist factions assassinated Lord Moyne, the British Minister for the Middle East and Count Folke Bernadotte, the UN Peace Negotiator, and made unsuccessful attempts to kill President Harry S. Truman and British Foreign Minister Ernest Bevin, while even discussing the possible assassination of Prime Minister Winston Churchill. There seems considerable evidence that the Israeli Mossad subsequently played a central role in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy because of the enormous pressure he was applying to persuade Israel to abandon its nuclear weapons plans. Mossad defector Victor Ostrovsky warned the American government that Israel was planning to assassinate President George H.W. Bush in the early 1990s due to the bitter conflict over financial aid, and apparently those warnings were taken seriously.

    Don’t forget the attempts on de Gaulle and the rumors regarding involvement of Israeli agents in the death of Vince Foster (perhaps as a favor to the Clintons). As to the art students operation, I remember thinking at the time how incredibly brazen it was. They seemed to have no concern about repercussions of exposure.

    If Israeli intelligence files were ever publicly revealed much of the history of the last 70 years might have to be rewritten.

  321. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Unz commenters refuse to believe anything not on the internet. Personal knowledge is especially scorned and distrusted.

    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
  322. @The Scalpel

    BBC explanation for anticipating the collapse of WT7 by c. 15 minutes

    is that they got the info from Reuters.

    in another vast (((cohencidence)))

    Reuters is a (((Rothschild))) property.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  323. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alan Reid

    Just watched it. Thank you.

    • Replies: @Alan Reid
  324. @anarchyst

    uh – huh…

    nonetheless, hundreds of Jews were killed in the buildings, others aboard the planes.

    for example, most of the nearly 300 Cantor-Fitzgerald dead in the North Tower strike

    were Jews. Interesting, though, that the (((boss man))) of Cantor-F. was not among them.

    on 9/11, he was late for work ’cause “he had to drive his son to school”

  325. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    The 9/11 attacks changed everything. Suddenly the world’s sole superpower was fully mobilized against Arab and Muslim terrorist movements, especially those connected with the Middle East.

    So there’s the motive for preparing America for war, although of courser it was not terrorists the US was after but the overthrow of seven mid-East governments.

    And as the authors* of the Project for the New American Century report: Rebuilding America’s Defenses, put it before the event:

    Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.

    And as Geoge W. Bush dictated for the White House daily log on 9/11:

    The Pearl Harbor of the 21st century took place today. We think it’s Osama bin Laden.

    Yes, Israelis almost certainly played key roles in 9/11, but that’s not because Israel committed an act of war against the United States, it was because, Israel, a dependent of the United States, was a willing collaborator of the US in a US a state crime against democracy. By using Israeli operatives and agents, the trail of incriminating evidence would point away from the US Government, while protecting the criminals who, under Israeli law could not be extradited for interrogation or prosecution — not that the US Government made any serious attempt to identify those responsible for 9/11 (or those responsible for the pathetic intelligence and military failures that allowed the attack to be successfully carried out).

    As for the purpose of the crime, that is obvious to anyone with any grasp of geopolitics. The US grip on global power was, by 2001, already slipping as America’s industrial base was being shipped to China and other sweatshop economies. To ensure continued American global hegemony, it was deemed necessary, therefore, to establish full US control over the World’s largest concentration of readily accessible energy, namely the seven Mid-East states, beginning with Iraq, selected for overthrow and US subjugation.

    ———
    * Signatories of this document included: Elliott Abrams, Jeb” Bush, Dick Cheney, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, Norman Podhoretz, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz

    • Troll: Rurik
  326. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike P

    I suppose we should trust you to have worthwhile opinions and well researched knowledge. A pity you distract your would be acolytes by calling Seymour Hersh “Sidney”. Ah well what’s the difference between one wordy Yid and another?

    • Replies: @Mike P
  327. Greg S. says:
    @jb

    This brilliant video does nothing more than sum up the “official” 9/11 narrative that I suppose people like “jb” believe faithfully. It boggles the mind just how anyone could believe a conspiracy theory as outrageous as the official narrative:

    • LOL: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Sean
    , @jb
  328. @anastasia

    ‘On September 8th, Russia Today reported that US jets dropped phosphorus bombs on the province of Deir al-Zor, which I am sure is full of civilians. They denied it. The US military said they don’t even have any phosphorous bombs…’

    I assume Israel did it. They have F-15′s. They have phosphorus bombs. They like to drop phosphorus on civilians. They like to commit false flag atrocities by pretending to be us.

    It’s kinda like if I find raccoon tracks all over the kitchen and somebody made a mess out of the catfood. Presumably, a raccoon came in the cat door.

    • Agree: Otterboy
  329. Anonymous[718] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    Lol.

    So the Indian, like the Jew, has a stake in making muslims look bad.

    So you are willing to overlook heaps of facts just so Americans can help India with its Muslim problem?

    Fat chance Hindu Thomm.

  330. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @CalDre

    Cheney is such a despicable monster, if I were ever to meet him in person, I do not think I could stop myself from trying to rip out his satanic throat.

    Cheney’s morals are surely no worse than those of any other political leader. Cheney is a realist, meaning he believes that raisons d’état trump conventional morality, meaning that citizens are expendable in the advancement of the national interest.

    To be more specific, it is difficult to see a moral difference between killing 3000 of your fellow citizens to justify multiple wars of aggression that will kill hundreds of thousands if not millions — the ultimate evil under the principles that emerged from the Nuremberg tribunal, and conscripting thousands or even millions of your own citizens and sending them to the battle front where many will be blown to pieces, gassed, buried alive (as happened to thousands of Saddam’s infantry during the Second Gulf War), or burned alive, with napalm, white phosphorus, etc.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  331. @ploni almoni

    “nothing was found at the crash site…”

    that is a lie. Go over to Flight 93′s wiki page, then follow up the sources: the plane augered in and largely disintergrated; DNA from the hundreds of bits and shards of human flesh that were found was linked to about 1/3 of the passengers.

    this “there were no planes” claptrap

    is a standard (((hasbara trick))) aimed at portraying all 9/11 all Conspiracy Theory & Fact

    as tinfoil. And with considerable success.

    • Replies: @CalDre
    , @RudyM
    , @ploni almoni
  332. Anonymous[718] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    No surprise that (((Anatoly Karlin))) wants to correct the record on this “conspiracy”.

    Also not surprised that he uses something flimsy like “something he heard about steel beams” to try and refute a well sourced article.

    No response to the other many arguments that Ron put forth? Quit being such a lightweight Anatoly and think things through before you post.

    • Replies: @utu
  333. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    Thanks. Only if Wikipedia corraborates my post will it be believed. Personal knowledge from a very anti Israel state department FSO who was in the Israel section in 1973 told to me can’t be believed unless the information is on Wikipedia.

  334. @Johnny Smoggins

    He won’t of course. Instead it will go to a black, female “journalist” writing the one millionth article about her experiences as a black woman in America.

    Actually, it will probably go to a black, male-to-female transgender “journalist” writing the one millionth article about its experience as a black male trying to be a woman in America.

    https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Zhao-withdraws-from-SF-school-board-race-after-13219197.php?t=23cf374e59

  335. @Haxo Angmark

    You don’t normally sound like a nutter, especially the sort that sprays the name Rothschild round like confetti as some kind of symbol. Using Wikipedia for timesaving once I had Googled “who owns Reuters” I couldn’t even find one mention of “Rothschild” in the description of its 169 Year history. Standard internet procedure means I label you a sophisticated troll whose purpose is to protect core doctrines like the essential truth of the Holocaust story.

    • Replies: @utu
  336. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stop Clinton and Bush

    An Israeli was in charge of Pentagon finances?? OMG.

  337. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Personal knowledge

    You’re a funny guy.

    His mom’s friend is a Nigerian princess BTW. That’s why I’m a bit sceptical.

  338. CalDre says:
    @Anon

    Right, I really should base my world view on what an anonymous person on the internet writes.

    And, obviously, that hearsay report by Mr. Anonymous was also on the internet .

  339. Merk says:

    Ron,

    I’d recommend reading Welcome to Terrorland: Mohamed Atta & the 9-11 Cover-up in Florida to add to to your knowledge on the topic. Mohamed Atta was undoubtedly some kind of intelligence operative building a legend.

    –Look into modified iterations of the PROMIS software, and it’s connection to 9/11.

    https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2017/oct/12/promis-israel/

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2001/jun/14/20010614-023749-9383r/

    https://boingboing.net/2001/10/17/remember-promis-it-w.html

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2003/jan/6/20030106-083824-4351r/

    https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2017/jun/28/sir-robert-maxwells-fbi-PROMIS/

    https://www.kesq.com/news/part-31-secret-government-program-linked-to-local-murders/59404007

    https://canadafreepress.com/2006/dastych013106.htm

    –Check out the 911 whistleblower Indira Singh, and her comments on a company called Ptech–who had quite a lucrative contract with the FAA prior to the attacks.

    https://www.computerworld.com/article/2579234/security0/feds-turn-up-heat-on-high-tech-industry-links-to-al-qaeda.html

    https://web.archive.org/web/20040127023935/http://www.seacoastonline.com/2003news/01052003/biz_nati/6299.htm

    https://www.investigativeproject.org/1094/ptech-officials-indicted-for-allegedly-concealing

    https://www.fromthewilderness.net/free/ww3/012705_ptech_pt2.shtml

    Other details worth noting

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hijackers-lived-with-fbi-informant/

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cia-fbi-kept-lips-zipped/

    https://web.archive.org/web/20040214143324/http://www.thememoryhole.org/tenet-911.htm

    http://www.rediff.com/money/2001/dec/17wtc.htm

    http://archive.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/05/07/faa_managers_destroyed_911_tape/

    This was a well orchestration operation with a lot of moving parts, and one of the keys ways they were able to pull it off was through compromising software.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  340. MR says:

    You folks keep talking about the three buildings that collapsed on 9/11. You mean four.

    No one talks much about WTC 6, the U.S. Customs Building, which suffered an enormous explosion just minutes after the first aircraft struck the South Tower. Wikipedia tells you that Building 6 was destroyed due the later collapse of the towers. But the truth is that it was a crater soon after 9:03 am.

    So Wikipedia is being used to distort the record. And even in Truther circles, there is little awareness of the Building 6 conundrum. Or rather, the alternative media are also used to suppress knowledge of the smoking gun for evidence of controlled demolitions set in place prior to the crime.

    Answer the question of who controls both mainstream and alt media, and you get closer to knowing who did 9/11. The question of cui bono should not be limited to entities which are sovereign countries.

  341. Lot says:
    @CalDre

    You or Ron still have failed to explain why the Mossad didn’t just frame Iraq or Iran or Syria or the Palis.

  342. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    Would you be so good to spell out what your observation of the WTC7 penthouse revealed to you with such certainty.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
  343. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    I don’t know everything. I only post what I know. And I don’t depend on wikepedia for my comments.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  344. Old fogey says:
    @Dan

    Our elite press corps does not have the gumption even to question the Sandy Hook school affair or the Boston Marathon nonsense. There is no way they would ever touch a matter as volatile as 9/11. They do want to go on living.

  345. T. Weed says:
    @wandaskudnik

    Like you, wandaskudnik, I knew right away that it was all bullshit, that the official story had more holes in it than Swiss cheese, so clumsy was this false flag, but what does this tell us? That those who did it are so arrogantly confident of their power and control of Americans that, like a bullfighter who has so befuddled the beast with his capework that he can flick the rag in the bull’s face and turn his back and walk away while the bull stands stupidly looking after him.

  346. Anonymous[718] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    It was easy to frame OBL and the Saudis because they were complicit in the act themeselves. This allowed them to invade Afganistan and get their foot into the door.

    They used Al Quada as a proxy for the rest of the ME because Saudis are in on the game.

    Iranians weren’t going to play along so they would be much harder to frame.

  347. @Anon

    Sorry. Not meant to be Troll. I don’t know for sure how that happened.

  348. @Lot

    Why frame just one country when by claiming it was Al Queda or whatever they could frame a large number of Muslim countries that were financing the Palestinian insurrection in and around Israel, including Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, etc.

    It seemed to have worked pretty well since Iraq got destroyed as did Libya and they are working on Syria and Iran.

  349. Old fogey says:
    @DESERT FOX

    Hear! Hear! Judy Wood’s book is worth the price just for the photos, but her careful research is valuable, too. She concentrates on what actually happened, does not spend time on who or why, but what actually happened is in itself enthralling. I highly recommend this book.

  350. renfro says:

    September 20, 2001: Neoconservative Think Tank Demands Bush Invade Iraq ‘Even if Evidence Does Not Link Iraq Directly’ to 9/11 Attacks; Also Demand Attacks against Syria, Iran, Hezbollah

    The Project for the New American Century (PNAC), an influential neoconservative think tank, publishes a letter addressed to President Bush and signed by magazine publisher William Kristol, Defense Policy Board chairman Richard Perle (see September 16, 2001), and 38 other neoconservatives and hardliners.

    It is reprinted by Kristol’s Weekly Standard shortly thereafter. The authors threaten to brand Bush as a “wimp,” guilty of “surrender in the war on international terrorism” if he fails to carry out their demand to make “a determined effort” to overthrow Iraq’s Saddam Hussein, “even if evidence does not link Iraq directly to the [9/11] attack[s].” [Project for the New American Century, 9/20/2001; Rich, 2006, pp. 28] Any failure to attack Iraq, the authors say, “will constitute an early and perhaps decisive surrender in the war on international terrorism.”

    Invading Iraq is not their only demand. To retain their support, the letter reads, Bush must also target the terror organization Hezbollah for eradication, and retaliate against Syria and Iran if they do not break their ties with Hezbollah. The letter calls Israel “America’s staunchest ally against international terrorism.”

    Conservative isolationist Pat Buchanan will later write that the real motive for this letter seems to be tied to Israel: “Here was a cabal of intellectuals telling the commander in chief, nine days after an attack on America, that if he did not follow their war plans, he would be charged with surrendering to terror. Yet, Hezbollah had nothing to do with 9/11. What had Hezbollah done? Hezbollah had humiliated Israel by driving its army out of Lebanon. President Bush had been warned. He was to exploit the attack of 9/11 to launch a series of wars on Arab regimes, none of which had attacked us. All, however, were enemies of Israel.… The War Party [Bush administration neoconservatives] seemed desperate to get a Middle East war going before America had second thoughts.”

    Source History Commons News Archive

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  351. Old fogey says:
    @Dutch Boy

    Don’t forget, too, that all seven World Trade Center buildings were demolished on that day while the surrounding buildings in that tightly-built section of Manhattan were only damaged, not destroyed. Very careful planning, indeed.

  352. Sean says:
    @Greg S.

    “They” would surely have preferred President McCain rather than Bush in office for 9/11. But the conspiracy could not beat a bunch of good ol’ boys in South Carolina.

    What was needed on 9/11 was John McCain, not in the White House, but as pilot of a fully armed jet fighter. Only someone as reckless as he could have been willing to act without orders, switch on his afterburners and shoot the planes down.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  353. CalDre says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Yeah well Cheney is guilty of all of the above. And that punk bitch didn’t do it for “the national interest”, he did it for the money.

  354. @Johnny Smoggins

    Okay, if we accept Ron’s thesis that it was the Mossad that did 9/11 then who flew the planes?

    Remote controlled. Research Dov Zakheim who had this technology.

  355. CalDre says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    Exactly. That plane was supposed to hit WTC 7, but most likely some National Guard fighter pilot, not under control of Cheney, who had ordered a NORAD stand-down, shot it down. They had to demolish the building anyway, otherwise how to explain all the pre-wired explosives in the building, so they blamed it all on some small, inconsequential fires.

    • Replies: @Hamlet's Ghost
  356. Hhsiii says:

    I was there. I worked at 100 Church Street. I heard the first plane hit and saw the second one. The Towers weren’t full because, except for traders, most people aren’t at work at 9 in NYC.

    My wife worked in 5 World Trade. I saw the towers come down. My friend, Dr. Mark Heath, was there and took some of the footage of the aftermath. The simple explanation is Islamic terrorists. Just like the ones who previously tried to blow it up. I’ve read some of the contrary views. They seem quite stretched. But I’ll keep reading.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @ploni almoni
  357. CalDre says:
    @Lot

    It’s quite simple if you read PNAC’s document, which was the basis for 9/11.

    They wanted to institute a Big Brother police state and destroy all of Israel’s enemies.

    The “terrorist” bogeyman was the perfect way to put the Big Brother surveillance into place and to have a never-ending list of targets. If they had framed only one country, there would have been a flash-bang and game over. By framing terrorists (and having continued terrorist events in the future), they can blame whoever they want for financing them and continue building up their Big Brother police state. It’s a blank check.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  358. @renfro

    So many coinky dinks on 9/11. It boggles the mind!

    • Replies: @renfro
  359. niceland says:

    Thank you Ron for fantastic website and great articles.

    I am wondering.
    Small cell of no-name Islamic terrorists carry out this devastating attack. Motive; revenge! Behind them was no big organization or government. So they were “off the radar” so to speak.

    CIA, FBI, and and the rest of them, even Mossad were caught with their pants down. Even expected response during the attack, like scrambling fighter jets – didn’t happen. Everything that was supposed to prevent something like this form happening didn’t! This enormous debacle was a major loss of face for the entire intelligence, defense and gov. apparatus. These terrorists poked a big hole in the narrative – the US is secure and invincible. It wasn’t it was sitting duck!

    Think about it:
    Bush administration: Neocon infested, close ties to the MIC, not to mention the Israeli angle and interests. How to proceed after this terrible debacle?

    Option 1)
    Perform detailed, transparent investigation. Probably reveling plenty of uncomfortable details regarding incompetence, malpractice and even corruption from top to bottom of the gov. apparatus; military, intelligence down to airport security. And possibly host of problematic political angles with the Saudis and Israel and god knows who. Last but not least, such investigation could not have been used as pretense for war.

    Option2)
    Offense is the best defense. This is fantastic opportunity to kill two birds with one stone. We decide who is to blame for 9/11 to suit our own purposes. Osama Bin Laden is recycled and becomes evil genius, the mastermind behind 9/11 and he must be punished. The public emotion is turned towards external enemy (it never fails). And since Osama is hiding in Afghanistan this means WAR! The investigation into what happened 9/11 takes the backseat. The Neocons, MIC and Israel get early Christmas and the the public outlet for it’s anger.

    Seems to me option 2 was chosen.

    Ps
    Regarding Mossad and Israeli involvement:
    The enormous risk if they are behind the attack! Attacking their lifeline?
    Murphy’s law applies to them too, such a complex plan is bound to fail.
    Still they might have known something, but incompetence is just as likely as malice.

  360. Old fogey says:
    @Alan Reid

    Judy Wood’s “Where did the Towers Go?” has many photos of the weird effects the destruction of the Twin Towers had on automobiles quite a bit distant from the World Trade Center site itself. Not to mention that trees kept their leaves and the paper did not burn despite the heat and the fires. Very curious.

    Strangely enough, Californians have posted photos of burned out areas north of San Francisco last winter showing houses so destroyed by forest fires that not even a stove or kitchen sink remained while trees at the sidewalk still had their leaves blowing in the wind. Quite a few people are wondering if directed energy is responsible for such occurrences.

    • Replies: @Alan Reid
  361. pensword says:
    @jb

    So, you’re telling us that conspiracies simply don’t happen unless we’re informed of them by the government and mass media.

    Correct?

    • Replies: @jb
  362. Alan Reid says:
    @Anon

    OK now that you have seen it, Ask yourself this about the cop car that you see in the first shot that the camera shows the interior of… Is there anything left inside other than STEEL?

    You don’t see anything else left, Not one wire not one thing left save steel. I have seen many burned out cars over my lifetime and i have never seen one get so hot as to complete disintegrate copper wires, sure you see them with the insulation burned away but normal car fires always have heaps of copper wire left, But look again at that car, Look very close, do you see ANY burned copper left in the spaces there should be much wiring like the dash or behind the computer? To vaporize copper and not steel is telling you about the process doing the work.

    Years ago i had a commentary debate about that very bit of video and the claim i heard from the debunkers was “Pryroclastic flows” from the collapsing building toasted those cars…

    Makes you wonder why they did not toast dusty lady or the Chevrolet towards the towers seen in the same video.

  363. Sean says:
    @Hhsiii

    I suppose when you are a one man coding army with a sky high IQ it is quite a stretch to believe that those responsible for high level security arrangements are actually too stupid, timid and lazy for them to make much of a difference to momentous events.

  364. I won’t go into the ton of stuff that has been discussed here but here are a few nuggets from my experiences: 1) The plane that crashed in Shanksville PA if you have never been to the site you will be amazed at the small size of the disturbance on the ground. I had a consulting contract in environmental work a couple of miles away. I saw the place just a couple of weeks later before they had time to fix it up. It’s unbelievable. Really where did the plane go? The hole if you wish to call it that– is a joke. Where did the engine and all the parts go? I can only assume the plane had to disintegrate in the air by an explosion. 2) I happened to run into a student I had taught in the 90′s at a university a few weeks after 9/11. His dad worked at the Pentagon. He told me his dad told him the plane over Pennsylvania was shot down. 3) Cheney said that they couldn’t get jets to Pennsylvania in the time period needed. So I asked a couple of jet pilots. They told me Cheney was full of shit. I can’t remember exactly how fast the average jet fighter flies but I’m sure it can go over 1000 mph. Furthermore, both pilots stated that the real speed of the jets is never really publicized to the public.

    Sherlock Holmes: “When you have eliminated the possible whatever remains, no matter how improbable must be the truth.”

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  365. tac says:
    @The Scalpel

    Rumsfeld also had a Freudian slip about Untied 93:

    Similar looking crater (the outline of wings) was found in 1994 USGS map shows (coincidence?):

  366. Tyrion 2 says:
    @anon

    Crazy, rambling nonsense.

    OBL and his crew of Saudi misfits had nothing to do with Iraq either. Again, proving that 9/11 wasn’t a framing of long-term neocon targets.

    • Replies: @anon
  367. The scalpel says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    It was not the BBC only. It was 3 major networks who reported the same false event at about the same time. Someone had to tip them off. Interestingly, no one ever investigated that angle. It seems it would have led straight to the culprits.

  368. ValmMond says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron, in case you’ve missed it, you may wish to read the 2016 article in the Europhysics News (owned by the European Physical Society) about September 11 and the physics of high-rise building collapses.

    https://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2016/04/epn2016474p21.pdf

    It’s by far, the magazine’s most read article.
    Spoiler alert: it was an inside job.

  369. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @CalDre

    Pretty much. It’s also important to note that this was put into motion at the time when Russia was on its knees and China was still weak.

    It was a final push to clear the area around Israel (7 countries in 5 years), suppress possible peers (full spectrum dominance) and put the goyim worldwide into full bondage (anti-terror laws, police state measures and total surveillance).

    NWO.

  370. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anon

    I asked you to pick one. If you think there is a middle ground, please outline it.

  371. disdain says:
    @Otterboy

    I couldn’t agree more. Why do we need controlled demo or magic airplanes when it’s perfectly obvious that our government just let it happen. American foreign policy certainly set the conditions for an attack, at the very least. Yes Israel may have had a hand but like everything they’ve accomplished they couldn’t do it without a willing accomplice in Washington D.C.

  372. Anonymous[253] • Disclaimer says:

    Mr. Unz, I think you too carelessly rule out the likelihood of US involvement. This was most likely a joint operation between elements within the US, Saudi Arabia, and Israel. Note that these countries are currently all allies against Syria and Iran.

    I remember back on that historic day seeing the footage of the towers coming down on TV and initially thinking they looked just like controlled demolitions. Something about it. After some study I’ve come to learn technical terms like “free fall speed” and “within its own footprint” that I did not know then but sensed intuitively. But shortly after I went along with the usual media explanations.

    It wasn’t until I read Mike Rupert’s “Crossing the Rubicon” (2004) that I first became exposed to more details indicating it was an inside job. (Rupert used to run an early conspiracy-related website called From The Wilderness back in the day. He is now deceased.)

    A key point that really struck me from that book was the existence of US military drills dealing with airplane hijacking situations on the same day. Yes, on the same day. Of course this caused confusion and a delayed response to the real thing. Now what are the odds of that?

    There are 3 possible explanations. 1) coincidence; 2) elements within the US govt. apparatus were involved; 3) dates and details of the drills were discovered by the actual perpetrators.

    Which you chose is a matter of opinion but I find #2 rather convincing. Note: it is not necessary for a large number of Americans to be involved if most of the actual dirty work is performed by other parties.

    Also, something you should look in to is the “28 pages” that were removed from the original 9/11 report, the following JASTA law, and subsequent court case. It appears that our friends the Saudis gave some material support towards the planning and preparation.

    And no discussion of the Jewish angle would be complete without at least mentioning Larry Silverstein, who purchased and insured the buildings shortly before the event.

    Best wishes.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  373. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anon

    No – it was just Afghanistan. You’re making no sense.

  374. renfro says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    Yea,,,it does.

    Those who know the truth for certain wont tell it because they did it.

  375. Tyrion 2 says:
    @renfro

    Your post is a great argument for why 9/11 really was an OBL terrorist attack and had nothing to do with Israel.

    It amazes me that anyone could conclude otherwise.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  376. tac says:
    @Alan Reid

    Nice fairy tale full of imagination. You see, what was actually installed in the WTC 1 & 2 were visco-elastic dampers giving 3 ft sway in either direction. Do you people think you can just make up fairy tales to lead public in a certain direction–and AWAY from other more substantive ideas (i.e. nano-thermite and explosives)–and that no one will check your claims out and call you on it?

    The WTC crew ran extensive tests to find out just how much sway they could allow without disturbing the building occupants. They put structural models in wind tunnels and even lured unsuspecting test subjects to movable rooms hooked up to heavy hydraulics.

    In the end, they designed the towers so they could sway about 3 feet in either direction. To minimize the sway sensation, they installed about 10,000 visco-elastic dampers between support columns and floor trusses throughout the building. The special visco-elastic material in these dampers could move somewhat, but it would snap back to its original shape. In other words, it could give a little and then return to its initial position, absorbing much of the shock of the building’s swaying motion.

    https://science.howstuffworks.com/engineering/structural/wtc2.htm

    Here are the WTC blueprints starting with the roof (refute using these blueprints):

    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/plans/frames.html

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Alan Reid
  377. utu says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-this-day-reuters-founder-is-born-1.5256147

    This Day in Jewish History / Reuters’ Founder Is Born

    He was born Israel Beer Josaphat, in Kassel, Germany, the son of Rabbi Samuel Levi Josaphat and his wife, the former Betty Sanders. After initial education in Kassel, Josaphat was sent, at age 13, to Göttingen to work in an uncle’s bank.

    By October 1845, Josaphat was part owner of a German-language publisher called Reuters, and was married – apparently in a civil ceremony – to one Ida Maria Elizabeth Clementine Magnus, daughter of a Lutheran pastor from Berlin. That month, the couple sailed to London, where Josaphat, now calling himself Julius (for his month of birth), sought customers for his firm’s books. It was also in London that Julius decided to convert. He did so on November 16, 1845, at St. George’s German Lutheran Chapel, changing his name to Paul Julius Reuter. Seven days later, he and Clementine repeated their nuptials in a religious ceremony at the same church.

  378. Erebus says:
    @FB

    Good comment FB. I’ve said it 100x, the defence is never obliged to solve the prosecution’s case in defending their client.

    OBL and his supposed minions were accused of an incredible crime. The public case against them is poorly fabricated rubbish, that anybody with a Gr. 8 education (at least the old-fashioned kind) could demolish in a heartbeat. Demolishing that case, however, does not oblige the defence (so-called “Truthers”) to present a more viable version, much less the definitive one.

    Having been stopped in its tracks by the rolling guffaws coming from the gallery, the Prosecution normally withdraws its case. It knows better than to ask: “You got a better idea?” as not even the most naive Defence would fall for that ruse.

    Alas, in the wide world, things are different. Having watched all the evidence prove contrary to their beliefs, Believers don’t hesitate to ask the question, and Truthers altogether too often succumb to attempting an answer. In doing so they step onto a slippery slope designed to divert attention from the evidential failure at hand to WAGs where anything goes.
    In other words, when Truthers unchain themselves from the facts they become “speculators” and “conspiracy theorists” and so expose themselves to attack as such.

    So, here we (still) are. The prosecution has been laughed out of court, but nobody knows what to do next. It’s been sitting at that point for well over a decade. Maybe in the scheme of things, that’s just a heartbeat as well. I suspect it is. Rome was neither built nor destroyed in a day.

    • Replies: @skrik
  379. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    Karlin is ambitious and amoral young man. His only core value is a belief that might makes right. That’s why he wants to suck up to those who are in power. Any comment on taboo subjects like Holocaust or 911 for him is an opportunity of ‘virtue’ signaling to the powers that be that he is willing to do a blowjob. He may not like it but if this is what it takes to get connect to the power he will do it.

    • LOL: Yevardian
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  380. @Jonathan Revusky

    Good to see you back again JR. I hope we’ll see more articles from you here in the future.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  381. @Anon

    I can only assume you have never researched anything about this building. the fires were all on the lower floors. If a structure on the roof of a 47 story building commits suicide when it is 39 stories away and on the opposite side of any fires, this is compelling evidence that the building underneath has been removed.
    And since the building underneath the penthouse has been removed, this is prima facie evidence that the building was artificially destroyed.

  382. @Vojkan

    Based on your comments you’d both be doing yourselves a huge favour by avoiding this topic entirely.

  383. Alan Reid says:
    @tac

    Ok, first things first… The viscoelastic damper crap i see so much in attempted response to my TMD claims…. The intent of a viscoelstic damper is NOT to reduce sway as is so often used like here by TAC… These claims stem from a full of shit Wiki post and are not true. It’s used to provide movement to prevent damages from motions like earthquakes putting undue strain on joints using them so as to prevent them shattering under excessive loading. … Like an engine mount on a car engine… it allows movement to occur and still remain connected…

    How in the heck is a rubber mounting going to do anything to reduce wind induced Oscillation like that the towers were subjected to? If you were to think about it, you would have to admit these would enhance movement not suppress it… Sheesh.

    Moving masses have been used for a very long time to control wind induced sway, Some are water column dampers some are suspended counterweight, Some are tuned mass dampers, and the WTC towers had an Active tuned mass damper… A pair of very large masses, Large square concrete boxes, those boxes were placed over a steel plate and a system of oil filled o rings kept them suspended and able to move.
    This being just the latest time i have been out and talking about those TMD systems, i can assure you all reading this it is not the first time this crap has been trotted out as some sort of refutation for those systems… Well it’s moronic and stupid to think that a tower this heavy is going to be controlled in wind by rubber mountings…. These towers like many others have much flexibility to provide endurance in extreme situations like earthquakes and hurricanes.. These towers had a normal resonance of over 2Hz… At 1380 feet 2Hz is going to cause some serious motion back and forth… Normal office work is not going to be a reality with the whole place moving back and fourth at that rate…. More like vomiting and sea sickness , but mostly FEAR… if a tower that tall is moving at it’s natural resonance.. Your going to be scared shit less about said movement, You would likely never return to such a tower if you had to endure a hour of that.

    Once in the eighty’s one of the O-rings failed and just one of the masses stalled out and stopped moving, the entire tower was evacuated until it was repaired and the TMD was returned to service.
    Not one person was willing to remain in those conditions.

    Ok so that said… Next the Blueprint thing…

    These WTC7 ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS are not blueprints of STRUCTURAL DRAWINGS… so they do not structural things outside the scope of architectural need like drywall and wiring, If you have a source for any actual Structural drawings for these top floors i will happily use them to support my case, But they are nowhere to be had are they TAC?

    If you just parrot moronic Wiki bunk and expect thinking persons to buy the heaps of hand crafted misinformation you may look silly.

    But please do post any supporting information you might think you have… Quote…

    “In March of 2007, an extensive set of detailed architectural drawings of the World Trade Center became public through the actions of a whistle blower.”

    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/blueprints.html

    Have a good read, they are ARCH drawings not structure. If you don’t know the difference you should look it up TAC. and by ‘extensive’ they mean LIMITED

    • Replies: @tac
    , @tac
  384. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    I cannot put into words how happy I am that the accusation of apparent insanity is so utterly dead. What does sanity look like? Seeing Russians everywhere, seeing Nazis everywhere, seeing WMD everywhere, believing that Americans outside the coastal echo chamber wanted as president the most consistently and violently hated political figure in my lifetime, thinking sex organs are interchangeable, and expecting that a diversity can be a safe society?

    • LOL: Mike P
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Tyrion 2
  385. Alan Reid says:
    @Old fogey

    I too saw the photos of those wild fires, The one ting i notice was in the malls, I saw a Mc dees all burnt out that had trees and bushes VERY close to the structure…un scorched… I noticed the AC units commonly on such restaurants seemed to be very hard hit, They are just Aluminum and steel.. so why?

    Same thing if you took a look at the many fire trucks surrounding the towers, Big pools of aluminum under what used to be an engine , pumps and transmissions.. But the steel was still intact… I have seen much of the record of this sort of thing from the ground zero site, All of it is so odd as to scream directed energy being used for some intent… i claim it was a clean up shot to ensure that nobody found any of the U-238 that could have been left on the site. i saw a car toasted on a 45 degree angle front tires gone engine melted but seats, trunk and rear tires still looking normal… Yeah, We have not been told the entire story.

    The photos of all those commercial buildings done in whilst trees and bushes and refuse containers remained ALSO screamed directed energy being used… There is a real good insurance payout in such losses and the wide spread nature of the occurrences in the area support this claim.

  386. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    Where was Afghanistan blamed? An international network of terrorists was blamed, which could easily be popped up to designate targets (viz the “Syrian civil war”). Afghanistan was attacked, not blamed, because its ungoverned hinterland harbored these people — and probably also because it represented a technological black hole where nobody would release video footage that contradicted us. But in the US the calls were pretty clear to go after the countries specified in the above article. In the military (and out of it, but bumping into still active people) there really was talk that any day now we are going after Iran or Syria, it was a palpable thing, people made career decisions based on it.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @CalDre
  387. CalDre says:
    @Vojkan

    The ‘jet fuel can’t melt steel beams’

    There are many types of steel, of various “hardness”. Skyscraper steel is the most fire resistant – melts / softens at a very high temperature.

    There is another thing to note about steel – it is extremely heat conductive. Take a steel nail in one hand and put a flame on the other end. You will see the heat travels very quickly. It travels along all steel that is connected. WTCs each had thousands and thousands of tons of steel, to dissipate heat.

    The steel beams also had insulation – the asbestos you keep hearing about. Allegedly this was “blown off”. There is no evidence of that whatsoever, pure speculation.

    There is another factor too: the fires were almost burned out at the time of the collapse. First, the kerosene was gone within a few minutes, at most (either poured out, or evaporated, or burned). So we had left an ordinary office fire for the next hour or so. The black smoke indicates it was oxygen starved – not burning very hot.

    Finally there have been countless fires in steel skyscrapers vastly more intense than the WTC ones – Madrid, Dubai, London, you can see vast infernos that burned for many many hours. In none of those buildings did any steel “melt”, even though the entire building was on fire and there wasn’t thousands of tons of cold steel for the heat to travel to.

    You simply have no knowledge of physics, engineering or construction.

  388. I have a few corroborative sources for the Mexican parliament plot.

    http://www.rense.com/general17/mossadagentsarrested.htm

    http://archive.li/OkmOO

    https://thefiringline.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-90774.html

    https://web.archive.org/web/20180521211955/https://thefiringline.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-90774.html

    http://www.pgr.gob.mx/cmsocial/bol01/oct/b69701.html

    https://web.archive.org/web/20011123125618/http://www.pgr.gob.mx/cmsocial/bol01/oct/b69701.html

    I think the specific relationship of the Saudi element here would be important. The Israelis obviously were the prime movers and set any explosives, but there still were Saudis involved. Bandar Bush paying the handlers for the alleged hijackers is still important. Wayne Marsden said Mizrahi Jews were used by Mossad to infiltrate the hijackers’.

    Lingering questions:
    1. Which Americans were involved?

    2. Did the Israelis also organize the anthrax attack? See the Boca Raton hijackers anthrax treatment.

    3. Did the Israelis profit from insider trading?

  389. skrik says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Once you get to the point of saying that WTC7 probably came down for the reason given in the NIST report that heat induced steel expansion caused the rupture of joints and then the failure of Column 79 etc then you remove one pillar of truthers’ arguments

    By this truly idiotic statement (as Rurik also pointed out) – supporting the NIST bullshit – you disqualify yourself from ever credibly arguing anything in here, ever again.

    Because then you added mendacity to your idiocy by trying to dishonestly squirm your way back from that indolent NIST support by:

    You may have noticed … proposing a way

    – more bullshit, this time your very own.

    Bah! I bid you “Good day!”

    mendaci neque quum vera dicit, creditor
    ~Cicero; a liar is not to be believed, even when speaking the truth.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  390. CalDre says:
    @Alan Reid

    I don’t doubt WTCs had TMDs. But, Uranium would leave traces detectable by any Geiger counter. Where is evidence of this? Also it has particular symptoms of radiation poisoning, where have those been observed in the rescue workers who have fallen ill? And why put Uranium in a TMD? Uranium is very expensive and tightly controlled, makes absolutely no sense to use it. According to this article, commonly they are filled with water or made of concrete blocks. http://www.slate.com/blogs/atlas_obscura/2014/11/17/the_tuned_mass_damper_of_taipei_101_in_taiwan.html That TMD is 728 tons. 728 tons of water or concrete is pretty cheap, but 728 tons of U238? Even at $30/pound, that’s almost $50 million. Wasted. With no tenant wanting to move in once they learn there is 730 tons of uranium in the building.

    Nano-thermite could melt the steel and keep it hot long enough. And since nano-thermite was actually found at the scene, in huge quantities, that would be my pick.

    • Replies: @Alan Reid
  391. tac says:
    @Vojkan

    Gravitational falls do not expel large sections (some of which weighted hundreds of tons) of the outer perimeter supporting columns laterally. Period! Some other force is responsible for this.

    Lateral ejections of column sections:

    Alternate view of North Tower destruction from the Hudson:

    9/11 Mysteries (another good documentary by Sofia Smallstorm):

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  392. tac says:
    @Alan Reid

    You would agree that if one makes an assertion it is incumbent on that person to provide supporting material which can be reviewed and conclusions can be made by others on the soundness of such hypothesis based on the supporting material. So I ask you Alan, YOU provide such material. It is not my job to do so; and no whimsical worded hypothesis can stand up to scrutiny absent sound supporting material. Please produce evidenve to support your claims else what remains is simply an assertion–dreamed up fancy of a figment of the imagination.

    Moreover, you stated that your TMD is placed right over the only elevator shaft which goes directly to the subfloors? Really? Since the only elevator shaft that goes down directly to the subfloors is positioned at the extreme end of the the 47 supporting core columns AND your TMD contraption relies on equilibrium to BALANCE the towers, it would necessarily have to be in the dead CENTER of the inner perimeter of the supporting 47 columns–which it is NOT (refer to my previous response to the links which contains graphics of all the elevators in the towers.

    • Replies: @Alan Reid
  393. Otterboy says:
    @Tulip

    Yes, but if you totally remove the whole idea of controlled demolition and understand it was real jihadis pilots flying real planes which brought the buildings down, you can then focus on who aided, abetted and allowed it to happen

    The whole discussion about controlled demolition always ends up diverting attention away from focusing on those who knew and those who helped them succeed

  394. Alan Reid says:

    Good post Ron, and sorry for all the action going on here, But this time of year is a very busy time for me and those like me trying to shed some light on this whole mess..

    I do need to be out there in response to the crap constantly being spread about…

    Your tolerance is most appreciated, as is the venue to have my say… Thanks Mr Unz you do good work.

  395. tac says:
    @Alan Reid

    These WTC7 ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS are not blueprints of STRUCTURAL DRAWINGS… so they do not structural things outside the scope of architectural need like drywall and wiring, If you have a source for any actual Structural drawings for these top floors i will happily use them to support my case, But they are nowhere to be had are they TAC?

    If you just parrot moronic Wiki bunk and expect thinking persons to buy the heaps of hand crafted misinformation you may look silly.

    But please do post any supporting information you might think you have… Quote…

    “In March of 2007, an extensive set of detailed architectural drawings of the World Trade Center became public through the actions of a whistle blower.”

    Are you dense or are you a troll or perhaps an utterly dense troll???

    Look at what

    You produced (with you claim of BLUEPRINTS):

    Tower Blueprints

    Surviving Evidence of the World Trade Center Attack

    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/blueprints.html

    And what I produced (with my BLUEPRINTS):

    North Tower Blueprints

    Multi-Resolution Viewer for World Trade Center Drawings

    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/plans/frames.html

    did it escape your fanciful little mind that BOTH WEBSITES ARE THE SAME and BOTH READ: “TOWER BLUEPRINTS”–they only difference being that mine displays a multi-view. Pay close attention now so that I can spell it out for you:
    One. that. you. can. select. a. different. floor. plan. simply. by. choosing. a. different. floor. plan. FROM. A. DROP-DOWN?

    Do me a favor, Alan, will you? Go to your the page you’ve linked (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/blueprints.html) and then CLICK THE FOLLOWING LINK ON THAT VERY SAME PAGE YOU’VE PROVIDED: (“Most of the drawings can be viewed in this multiresolution browser.”)…what is then displayed?: (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/plans/frames.html) THE VERY SAME LINK I’VE ORIGINALLY LINKED shows up magically.

    Well, how can that be…it must be a conspiracy theory I tell you. YOU HAVE ZERO CREDIBILITY LEFT!

    • Replies: @Alan Reid
  396. The thought just entered my mind how much the holocaust and Sept 11 resemble each other.
    In both cases, sceptics and believers.
    In both cases, believers try to deny any argument.

    The university of Iowa investigated what happens when a belief is confronted with facts at odds with the belief: the belief gets stronger.
    An interesting example is evolution, the word I consider wrong, there is just change in species, but, whatever, when ‘evolution’ no longer could be denied creationism was the answer, a position thet logically cannot be attacked.

    It took me three years before I had to accept the unthinkable, a USA government kills 3000 of its own citizens in order to be able to wage war.
    But once thinking the unthinkable happened, it was a great help in understanding other politicians, such as Merkel, whose actions I only can explain by desiring to destroy the German people.

    Discussion about the details of Sept 11 just sows confusion.
    It is abundantly clear that the Bush story, as was the Warren report, is a pack of lies.
    What exactly happened, and how, I do not think w’ll ever know, as with MH17 and MH370.
    Churchill had Sikorsky murdered, even in this case the details are not fully known to this day.
    David Irving, ‘Accident – The death of General Sikorsky’, 1979, München (German translation)

  397. Remarkable work for one once so benighted as to be on good terms with arch neocon warmonger William Kristol as late as 2000! It could have been a bit more succinct, though, as https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=R6NY8XRUYO4S and http://www.dcdave.com/article4/011216.htm.

  398. @Tyrion 2

    ‘Your post is a great argument for why 9/11 really was an OBL terrorist attack and had nothing to do with Israel.’

    Half right. It was an OBL terrorist attack that Israel had a great deal to do with.

    • Agree: Otterboy
    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  399. skrik says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Ron Unz knows such near brush-off treatment of Bollyn’s seminal “Solving 9/11″ would catch “woke” readers’ ire

    Oh, really? Proof, please. I ‘sidelined’ Bollyn’s ‘contributions’ a long time ago; just did a bit of searching:

    Bollyn talks about Israeli involvement in the events of 9/11 but promotes the nanothermite theory … Jones and Bollyn vehemently deny that the WTC buildings were nuked

    Bollyn only gets 2 out of 3 from this veteranstoday quote [a site generally not recommended by me], which goes on to say:

    It is not physically possible to demolish a building using non-existent nanothermite

    Proposing nanothermite is controversial *speculation* for which there is a) little to no proof, and b) a much better, much less controversial candidate, namely PETN, also in the form of ‘det cord.’ Nanothermite is more of a ‘fizzer’ and stands no chance when compared to:

    PETN actually burns hotter than most high explosives, at around 7650 deg. farenheit (4230 C) and it creates a detonation velocity of over 8350 meters per second. PETN is the core material used in what is refered to in the demolition industry as “det cord“, a high explosive in itself used to break up concrete structures during demolitions and also connect RDX linear shaped charges or “cutter charges” placed on the steel beams and columns in a controlled explosive demolition

    The latter perfect for cutting core-columns at 45° and the former for blasting concrete floor-slabs into pyroclastic, billowing clouds of concrete-dust mixed with powdered asbestos and the shattered remains of office-furniture and office-workers both. rgds

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @sarz
  400. LondonBob says:
    @Rurik

    That footage clearly shows the airline hitting the Pentagon. I suspect the missile canard is a deliberate ruse to discredit skeptics amd waste time.

  401. LondonBob says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Sad truth is blacks commit a staggering amount of crime, regardless of environment. I expect Hispanics, itself too broad a category, do commit more crime than whites but that it isn’t as significant a difference.

  402. anonymous[253] • Disclaimer says:
    @m___

    Mr Unz seems to admire the “greatest public intellectual ” alive. It will be interesting to know if in his final version of this article he will write something about the fact that Noam Chomssky still believes the official story of 9/11 which proves that the “great intellect” isn’t more than a buffoon.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @CalDre
    , @dcite
  403. skrik says:
    @Erebus

    a slippery slope designed to divert attention from the evidential failure at hand to WAGs where anything goes

    Oh, really? A typical ‘redneck’ response to anybody asserting ‘controlled demolition’ might be -

    Redneck: “Oh, yeah?! Says who? How you gunna do that, hundreds of floors, thousands of tons of steel? You must be crazy!?”

    Apart from those sorts of idiots and their uninformed [largely spoon-fed by the corrupt&venal MSM-Lügenpresse] objections, is the thought: “I really wonder how they did that?”

    Sooo, in my trips through the troll-infested internet wilderness, I continually ask myself: Is that item credible? Any evidence? Any better alternates? Is that the best I’ve seen? And so on.

    We could call that ‘conscious conspiracy theory evolution by critical inspection,’ and by proposing alternates and discussing same, we ‘truthers’ may a) make genuine progress and b) salvage our deliberately, premeditatedly denigrated credibility [think UFO-abductions, 'faked' moon landings, etc.]. I agree that there are covert black-hats lurking amongst genuine white-hat truthers, and these lurkers should be ostracised whenever found, but to deny all ‘informed’ speculation due to the possibility of a few crazies is [always and only IMHO], quite possibly throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

    Now, when somebody writes:

    We must stay away from navel gazing and WAGs

    and that is picked up and repeated by a 2nd as here, my bullshit detector goes berserk. Consider the phrase ‘damning with faint praise;’ it presumably lies in somebody’s interest to cripple genuine truther inquiries – one never knows when such might turn up ‘gold;’ better perhaps, to surreptitiously suppress any chance of that, eh? rgds

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @FB
  404. @Genrick Yagoda

    So why then was no such earthquake signatures recorded by NYC seismographs?

    The collapses were recorded by seismographs as far away as upstate New York.

    And yet they didn’t. Because the buildings and everything inside the buildings turned into dust.

    Silly me, I forgot that dust has no mass.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
    , @Vojkan
  405. MeThinks says:

    Ron, something that must be kept in mind is that the people who did this are still at work.

    Once one accepts that the official story is not correct and that there is a propaganda effort to conceal the truth, one must also consider the presence of an active program of disruption in any forum touching on the subject.

    Having read for years the comments sections of articles on this subject, one begins to notice certain tactics that appear over and over again. One example. Someone posts a comment making a significant contribution to the truth. Soon thereafter, a long and tangential post is made. Various other comments will appear supporting and contradicting the off-topic details. Soon the thread is so muddied that the casual reader just gives up.

    Is this just possibly the nature of every interaction in an internet article’s comment section? Possibly. But consider some other divisive topic such as drug policy. My impression is that the pattern does not universally appear in drug-related articles but that it always appears in articles which mention the subject at hand.

    My suspicion is strong to the point of considering a honeypot for detecting the behaviour.

    • Replies: @skrik
  406. Anonymous[718] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    Well said. I agree 100% on (((Anatoly Karlin)))

  407. Tyrion 2 says:
    @skrik

    You’re such a genius that the controllers of the world dedicate highly paid professionals to disrupt your online ramblings. Right…

    • Replies: @skrik
    , @skrik
  408. Anon[641] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s clear from the hampered military response to the hijacks that the US military was involved in 911 on some level. The US military industrial complex would have the greatest motive for carrying out such a scheme as it would directly benefit from the multi-trillion dollar war spending which would inevitably result from a successful operation. As well as that they would probably be the only crowd with sufficient balls to actually carry it out.

    The hard part about 911 is trying to figure how it was feasibly done. By following a deductive chain of reasoning from known facts I arrive at the following theory.

    There are (at least) three smoking guns in 911. These are:

    1. Collapse of WTC7 at measured free fall speed, no plane hit, into its own footprint etc etc.

    2. Clear evidence that the Saudi Arabia govt was paying at least two of the supposed hijackers.

    3. Clear evidence that the CIA deliberately allowed the same two hijackers (who were known terrorists) to enter the USA without advising the FBI.

    Smoking Gun No. 1 proves that explosives were used to collapse WTC7. It can therefore be assumed that explosives were used on WTC1 &2 as well. Now if that’s the case then the plotters would never use the supposed Arab hijackers to do the hijacks and crashes.

    Understand that this is a military operation. If it works there’s a multi-trillion dollar gravy train waiting for you, if it fails you are going to be hanged. Therefore the plan MUST BE RELIABLE**. If no plane crashes into WTC1 or 2, then there is possibly up to hundreds of tons of explosive stashed in a central building core that the NYC Police or Fire Brigade are going to discover. You cannot cover that up. Unlike WTC7 where you can get away with it, you can’t collapse WTC1 or 2 if no plane hits one of these buildings. If that happens the plan fails.

    This means that the plan must be complex by necessity. You must have your own special forces operatives (who look and sound Arabic) to do the actual hijacks and allow the passengers to make the phone calls. You must use look-alike drones to do the actual crashes because your mercenary special forces teams sure aren’t going to commit suicide and crash their own planes into the buildings for you.

    If you use drones then you must have the planes, the technology and the airfields. You must also be able to subvert the civilian radar system. My guess is since the manufacturers of the civilian radar systems are the same as those who bid for military contracts, there is a layer of software built into the operating systems that allows radar tracks to be switched off and on in real time from a military terminal. This would allow planes on black ops missions to fly in US air space without detection on civilian systems. This is purely a guess, but since we know that the US military is deeply in love with black ops I’d be very surprised if something like did not exist, and that capability was not used on 911.

    Smoking Gun No. 2 also strongly indicates that special forces operatives were used. This is the evidence that the Saudi Arabian govt paid two of the hijackers while they were in the US prior to 911. This makes it clear that the SA govt was running its own intelligence operatives and their patsies to look like they were hijackers. The operatives take flight instruction, go on surveillance/practice flights etc etc, but since they’re being paid by the SA govt they’re very unlikely to be suicide bombers. At the last minute these operatives go to ground and are replaced by the special forces hijack teams (Israelis?) who are the ones that actually get on the planes.

    Smoking Gun No.3 is clear enough. So if you are facilitating the entry of terrorists into the US, subverting US civilian radar systems, inserting drones, providing secret planes and airfields etc, getting your allies the Saudis to set up fake hijackers for you and so on then you are not Mossad you’re the Pentagon/MIC.

    **The need for reliability is why three planes were originally intended to arrive at the WTC area at roughly the same time. Flight93, the plane designated as the spare for the primary targets of WTC1&2, was originally intended to hit WTC7 first. Probably its target for the narrative’s sake was the Emergency Operations Centre set up there by Guiliani. However the bad crap actually happened to the spare. Flight93 was delayed on takeoff and was therefore diverted. Notice how the actual flight path and hijack timing of Flight93 makes absolutely no sense if it was hijacked by actual Arab terrorists..

  409. @anonymous

    Suppose this should be ‘Chomsky still SAYS he believes the official story’.

  410. @niteranger

    ” I can only assume the plane had to disintegrate in the air by an explosion. ”

    Both Lockerby and MH17 disintegrated in mid air, Lockerby by an explosion, MH17 either by being shot at by a BUK missile, it fires some sort of shrapnel, or by an Ukrainian fighter.
    In both cases there was no disintegration, large sections of the planes fell more or less intact on the ground, most bodies could be identified, in the MH17 just two or three not.
    Must add that many bodies were found on the ground in parts.

    Nothing of all this in Pennsylvania.
    A Vietnam veteran living nearby stated that he heard a air to ground missile fired by an aircraft.
    Suppose this missile where it hit the ground made the superficial hole and left some wreckage.
    But indeed, correspondent living in Pennsylvania wrote to me long ago, the coroner had concluded that the plane was or had been ‘atomised’.
    Wat physical process he referred to, nobody seems to have asked.

    Pennsylvania, one of the four Sept 11 blunders, in my opinion.
    The other three: no passenger plane flew into the Pentagon, the first plane hitting a tower had a bulge under the plane, looked like something similar on anti submarine planes, the second plane that flew into the towers had no windows.

    So again, where are the four missing planes, and why were they not used in the intended way ?

  411. @Anon

    Do not think there were any hijacks.
    Already in 2001 modern planes are not flown by the pilots, but by a computer, called director.
    When pilots think they fly by hand, in reality they just give signals to the director, that decides if the aircraft can do what the pilot wants.
    This made it possible to build light planes.

    Modern planes hardly are flown any more by the pilots, a friend flying for the KLM told me ‘just the last few minutes of the landing we fly by hand, sometimes reflections on the ground of the guidance systems cause trouble.

    What was hardly known in 2001, but surfaced later, that already then it was possible to take over control of modern planes from outside, instructing the director from outside.
    If at the time it was possible to switch off the transponder, I do not know.

    Commercial radar does not ‘see’ planes with transponder switched off.
    NORAD, where Cheney by chance, of course, was on Sept 11 ‘sees any bird flying over the USA’, it is said.
    So, with transponder switched off, either from a distance, of prepared before take off, the crew had no control over the plane any more.
    How is was with radio communication, do not know.

    Anyhow, in my opinion something similar happened to MH370, the second pilot trying to get contact by his mobile phone, he was connected to an antennae, but could not say anything, a plane simply goes to fast for the software.

    Therefore also the Sept 11 mobile phone calls are nonsense, in the movie picture Hollywood, part of the propaganda machinery, took care to use the phones built into most USA airliners.
    Where the phone conversations came from ?
    Since 1995 or so the USA military has voice cloning software, after recording say a few minutes of speech from anyone this software constructs any conversation you want.

    The Arabs, fake or not, taking flying lessons with a Dutchman who had or still has a flying school: several people warned the FBI about pilots not interested in how to land or to start.
    Nothing happened.

    • Replies: @FB
  412. Tyrion 2 says:
    @J.Ross

    You can’t have it both ways. You can’t claim that it was both ridiculous for people to use OBL as a reason to invade Iraq and that they framed OBL to justify solving the Israeli-Arab conflict in Israel’s favour.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  413. Iberiano says:
    @Tim Howells

    Hispanics, of any color, are very often categorized as “white” by law enforcement, which is reflected in both the BJS and national crime reports, particularly when the racial status can be and typically is, determined by the arresting officer(s) and/or the department or agency. Zimmerman was just the most public of these examples, but it has been going on for years. I recall the serial killer from Mexico years ago–Rafael Resendez-Ramirez (The Railway Killer), who killed dozens of people in the 90′s and was executed in Texas, 2006.

    The FBI classified him, at least at the time, as “White”. Now, this was not a white Hispanic, or a debatable, “probably lots of Indian/Native but still white” type Hispanic. This was a straight up Aztec.

    Google a photo of Ángel Maturino Reséndiz and tell me that is a white man.

    This happens across the country every day. To say that the crime rate for whites and “Hispanics” are about the same, simply depends on how you define white, or hispanic for that matter. We normally consider “Latinos” to be brown, and Hispanics to be more white.

    Either way, American prisons are FULL of Latinos, who most white people and Latinos would not consider white, and who have no appreciable European culture or genetic heritage.

    • Replies: @Anon
  414. Mike P says:
    @Anon

    Yes, I got that first name wrong. Thanks for pointing that out, anonymous troll.

    If you disagree with my opinion about Hersh and Woodward, feel free to provide actual arguments instead of just attacking me.

  415. utu says:
    @Anon

    If no plane crashes into WTC1 or 2, then there is possibly up to hundreds of tons of explosive stashed in a central building core that the NYC Police or Fire Brigade are going to discover.

    Whether planes, drone or missiles were used there was a real damage that was not entirely predictable. What about the damage to the planted explosives and wringing?

    Question: When demolition started was the behavior of demolition process different above the planes’ impact places than below them? Did it seem that demolitions began at impact places?

    P.S. If I were a planner I would prefer an option of no objects flying into the towers so no unpredictable damage was done to the explosives.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @CalDre
  416. @tac

    Gravitational falls do not expel large sections (some of which weighted hundreds of tons) of the outer perimeter supporting columns laterally. Period! Some other force is responsible for this.

    Lateral ejections of column sections:

    So much for “collapsing into its own footprint.” You truthers cannot have it both ways. The fact that you would issue two exactly opposing statements about the same phenomenon and consider both of them evidence of your theory proves that is really just an idee fixe.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @tac
    , @RudyM
  417. Mike P says:
    @Merk

    I remember some oddity surrounding Mohammad Atta’s parents. Shortly after 9/11, some reporters found them at their home in Egypt and tried to talk to them about the horrible events, but they were blown off by the father, who maintained that Mohammad was still alive and had nothing to do with it. Only a few days later, when interviewed again, he followed the official script.

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
  418. skrik says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Thank you so much, for bringing some stimulation, however puerile/trivial, into the relative darkness of my pitiful life.

    nemo iudex in causa sua

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  419. FB says:
    @skrik

    Suit yourself ‘skrik’…I’ve previously made my position clear to you on several occasions, but there is no reaching you with logic…

    I also think that you may have some conceptions about who believes what in the demographic sense that may be quite misguided…I seriously doubt many ‘rednecks’ tend to believe any kind of official ‘story’…in my experience these humble folk have a pretty good BS detector…

    It is more the middle of the road, average America, that is either not interested…hasn’t really explored the issue much…tends to consume MSM and generally looks at issues in the mainstream ‘frame of reference’ in which they are presented…

    I would say Mr Unz himself may be an examplar of that camp…and who has come full circle after a personal journey of discovery…

    Yes, it is natural to instinctively begin to apply logic and try to ‘solve the case’ and I think Mr Unz has done a great deal of good in writing this article…especially the intimately presented ‘Damascene conversion’ process, which is a feature of the author’s writing in general [eg JFK] that is compelling and effective on a personal level…

    Certainly in this article he makes a thought-provoking case as to who DIDN’T do it…and I tend to agree with his logic…it is only when he gets into the part where he tries to pin it on a ‘likely’ suspect that the essay goes off the rails for me…

    To his credit…he does NOT go into speculation about the ‘how’…as you have been doing here like a broken record since day one…

    • Replies: @skrik
    , @lavoisier
  420. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    Couldn’t agree more. Sometimes it’s useful just to stand back and look at the garbage the (((establishment))) wants to sell. Instant red pill.

  421. jb says:
    @Wade

    You put your reputation on the line every time you open your mouth. If you think this is unfair, and the world should be different, you can write out a formal complaint and mail it to [email protected].

    • Replies: @Wade
  422. skrik says:
    @Rurik

    Thnx; a true potential ‘blockbuster!’ Not ‘just’ for the flash-bangs; it shows WTC7 from the ‘other’ side to most shots, i.e. the side facing the twin towers – and shows *no* damage from twin-tower ejecta. Wow!

  423. utu says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    “collapsing into its own footprint” means that towers did not fall on one side, that the collapse was symmetric including the lateral ejections. The idee fixe belongs to you.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  424. jb says:
    @pensword

    I said nothing of the sort. I started to write out a longer reply, but I realized that I was simply using different words to make the same points you didn’t understand the first time. I have better uses for my time.

    • Replies: @pensword
  425. T. Weed says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    In what other country?, Johnny Smoggins asks. In countries, like ours, where the Elders control all the levers of power.

  426. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alan Reid

    I still believe you’re completely wrong but you are making some interesting and well thought out points so let’s go ahead.

    How many offer ANY explanation in regards the fire that burned for over 3 MONTHS?

    Underground fires can burn slowly for years or decades. This is very common in peat areas and old coal mines. The reason applies also to the WTC – the ground provides thermal insulation to keep the heat in and slows the rate of fresh air diffusion. 3 months is not much compared to a ‘natural’ underground fire.

    So far after SEVENTEEN years i have heard exactly ZERO about these systems

    So you decided to fill the void with a fantastic theory? 10/10 but please label it ‘for entertainment purposes only’

    U238′s too expensive, too regulated, absolutely unnecessary, and VERY easy to detect because background levels are so low. Have there been any analyses of WTC dust, or manhattan soil, or first responders that show elevated U238 levels? The half life is more than 4 billion years and it doesn’t diffuse away very quickly so it should be off the charts for decades to come. The lack of any evidence at all says with almost complete probability that you pulled this theory out of your butt.

    If that Speculation is true, Then there is a huge building sitting in the heart of Chicago with floor after floor of evidence just waiting for investigation of this claim of mine.

    Just like all the U238 dust that is just waiting for an investigation.

    The problem with using logic to explain some secret planned event like this is you tend to expose the truth in ways many find uncomfortable.

    Not really. Most of us have got to the point where we yawn and ask where’s Richard Goodyear every time we see a new ‘terrorist attack’.

    As mentioned way up there above, I have seen nothing that does a better job of explanation of the fire and the CD foot print collapse.

    The problem is your theory has zero evidence. It’s completely unsubstantiated. An open mind is better than a red herring.

    Now you say the U-238 theory is pure speculation, Well i wish it was. Fact is they fires that burned until the nineteenth of December HAD to have fuel, logic demands this fuel HAD to be of such intensity to produce MOLTEN steel and HAD to burn for a duration of 99 days! go through the list of possible fuel to cover those bases and the list is small and lonely.

    1. Peat
    2. Coal

    Underground fires, fella. They burn hella long caus the earth keeps them warm and the oxygen can’t get in there so fast.

    Uncomfortable truths tend to give one a bad taste, tend to cause ridicule, I know… i have been dealing with this for a very long time…. But Not one explanation comes anywhere close to mine about these things.

    Most explanations are a lot more reserved about inventing plot elements.

    Your thinking is uncritical and jumps way too easily to arbitrary conclusions. It feels to me like the sort of thinking that one gets when they’re stoned on cannabis. Lots of really great world changing ideas that evaporate in their face of sobriety.

    • Replies: @Alan Reid
  427. Tyrion 2 says:
    @skrik

    Following up a painfully self-important argument with a somehow obtuse yet banal Latin phrase. Well done. You win Pseud’s Corner.

  428. jb says:
    @Greg S.

    OK, I watched the video. It was incredibly lame; a snide and stupid collection of assertions which, even if I believed them all, are mostly irrelevant. For more detail on this particular mode of argumentation, see Gish Gallop.

  429. In a Counterpunch article, I’d discovered that immediately following the attacks, their supposed terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden had publicly denied any involvement, even declaring that no good Muslim would have committed such a deed.

    Years ago, I wrote a letter to one of the writers at Chronicles of Culture quoting bin Laden and asked why he continually made the charge the cave man was behind the attack but disavowed any involvement.

    “He is lying…” was the response.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
  430. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alan Reid

    Video: Doesn’t prove anything. We’re still arguing if the planes are real or not.

    Paperwork: Don’t get your hopes up. It was probably destroyed in the terrorist attacks.

    I have zero doubts about other buildings having these same hidden charges lurking in the structure

    Well why don’t you go and find them?

    One question i have never seen is ” Where is all the steel floor pan steel?’

    China.

  431. anon[133] • Disclaimer says:

    What have hispanic crime rates got to do with the price of fish?

    • Replies: @CalDre
  432. @utu

    “collapsing into its own footprint” means that towers did not fall on one side, that the collapse was symmetric including the lateral ejections.

    That is most certainly not what it means, Utu. No one has ever used the phrase like that before, except you in this construction of entirely instantaneous provenance. I don’t know why you would say such a thing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @utu
    , @tac
    , @CalDre
  433. Sparkon says:
    @Sparkon

    Thermite keeps rearing its head in these discussions. To my satisfaction, Jeff Prager has shown that thermite does not have the explosive velocity required to account for the devastation of the WTC buildings, and that thermite was not found in the WTC dust according the USGS:

    The chain of possession of the dust samples allegedly found at Ground Zero and controlled by Dr. Jones is highly suspect, unverifiable and unscientific. The chain of possession of the dust samples procured by the USGS on September 16th and 17th, 2001 at Ground Zero, NYC, is known and secure. The chain of possession followed standard scientific procedure as outlined in USGS Report #01-0429. Nano thermite and energetic compound residue was not found in the USGS dust samples.

    https://www.veteranstodayarchives.com/2012/09/21/911-dust-by-jeff-prager-final-version/

    Please note that attacks on source are a common but fallacious argument. If you take issue or disagree with information at VT or in Wikipedia, then you must provide a counterargument with refuting facts from your own source, which is entirely acceptable, but dismissing any information based solely on its appearance in/at Wikipedia, Veterans Today, Rense, or even The Unz Review is an entirely fallacious argument.

    To sum up: Thermite was not found in dust samples collected at the WTC by the USGS. In any event, thermite is not a high explosive.

  434. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @j2

    I totally agree that it would take energy to break a full-strength (below the fire line!) building but that’s only half the point.

    The other half the point is even if the structure instantly and without energy input went limp, how did the lower bits accelerate to the speed of the upper bits when the upper bits already had a head start and both of them were accelerating at 9.8m/s^2?

    In other words, if the whole thing came down at freefall then that means that the lower floors must have started falling BEFORE the upper floors even reached them.

    How does that happen? Does steel get scared?

    • Replies: @j2
  435. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @prusmc

    Same as MH370.

    Turn off the transponders, fly them to a private airstrip, kill them all, and then cut up all the meat and aluminum.

    It’s a fairly simple operation, it just takes a bit of planning and a ground team of (((complete psychopaths))).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anon
  436. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    As far as I know hacking them is out of the question – all planes need to have manual overrides.

    Sabotaging them in advance would have been dangerous and illegal! Yes we can safely discount this possibility.

  437. @Ron Unz

    We could all do with your considered opinion of the demolition issues. There seems to be nothing remotely professional on UR threads. Maybe a start could be made with what can be found by searching for Brent Blanchard implosionworld.com. He may not be a hands on demolition engineer; maybe more like a science journalist, but at least consideration of what he (and his attempted debunkers) has to say about demolition generally and 9/11 specifically would take us a long way ahead of the assertions and counter assertions of enthusiatic amateurs on these threads.

    One is

    https://undicisettembre.blogspot.com/2014/10/an-interview-with-explosive-expert.html?m=1

    and
    WTC COLLAPSE STUDY BBlanchard 8-8-06.pdf

    which can be found by Googling Brent Blanchard implosionworld.com

    and

    http://www.implosionworld.com/news.htm#3

  438. Erebus says:
    @Otterboy

    I just really hope that this thread doesn’t become engulfed with endless arguments for and against controlled demolition.

    I hope so too, because that issue has long been settled.

    For myself and a few my colleagues, it was settled by lunch on the day of the event. We were all quite surprised to watch the public narrative ignore the obvious and fix itself on airplane collisions and fires as the cause of the collapses. That flew in the face of the empirical facts, and in the face of what an educated person would normally know about how the physical world works. Our general feeling about the switch was that demolitions would overly complicate matters for public consumption, and later that the narrative had been hijacked by those who would use it to go to war and so would need it to remain as simple as possible.

    It was some months later that I & some of those colleagues came to much more sinister conclusions. Had I or they been American, we may have never come to them as fear of losing livelihoods and a lifetime of indoctrination would have guarded our preciously exceptional life narratives. However, we’d all had enough experience of America to know that its national narrative is a mendacious idyll, so had little trouble coming to the conclusion that evil forces within and without the national state structure had roles in the event.

    I agree that America needs a Truth Commission with subpoena powers and a mandate to get to the bottom of 9/11 or it will probably never again be a normal nation. Never mind “great”. Unfortunately, should such a commission ever be empanelled, its procedures and findings are as likely to tear the country apart as they are to make it whole. Perhaps even more likely. The creation of such a Commission would be a step of exceptional socio-political courage. I doubt America, as presently constituted, has that courage.

    As with JFK, I don’t expect anything other than voices in the wilderness eventually dying away….

    • Replies: @Malaysian Truther
  439. @Intelligent Dasein

    So where did 1,100 bodies that are still missing go if the building “fell”? You do understand that bodies don’t disappear into thin air in a building “collapse” don’t you?

    How did the 14 people who were in Stairwell B survive 220 sets of steel and concrete stair cases falling onto their heads without a scratch if the building “fell”?

    • Replies: @RudyM
  440. Anon[641] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    There probably was some apparent damage to the postulated explosives in WTC1&2 I believe at the plane impact sites. At the WTC2 impact site for example there was a strong flow of molten metal of some sort down the side of building that may have been due to thermite packages going off prematurely. This flow may have also have alternative explanations. I believe that at that floor or near it there were a huge number of lead-acid backup batteries, so possibly the flow of molten metal may have been this. Some believe the flow was molten alloy aircraft parts.

    As well as this, if the impacts were caused by drones (ie remotely controlled look-alike planes) then the impact sites could be chosen with high precision. I believe that this was the case as the impacts in the opinion of some people were designed to cause minimal but sufficient casualties. The first impact (WTC1) occurred high up in the building which allowed most of those under the impact site to escape. If proper evacuation procedures had been followed in WTC2 this building would also have been substantially evacuated. The impact on WTC2 was on a corner two thirds up the building. This allowed the stairway on the opposite corner to remain intact and was used for evacuation.

    The impact sites therefore could also have been left substantially empty as far as explosives were concerned. This would minimize premature explosions due to impact.

    I would suggest that the explosives were not wired by cable which as you say would be too susceptible to damage by impact. In a job as classy as 911 they almost certainly would have been triggered by some sort of military grade radio system.

    The whole point is that jets have to fly into the towers otherwise there is no damage to the towers so there cannot be any plausible collapse, either by explosives or otherwise. If such buildings as WTC1&2 collapsed without warning after suffering no damage or no fire then even our brain-dead media and intellectual classes would struggle to explain this away as a ‘natural’ collapse. WTC7 was a different matter as some damage and fires were present, so the unnatural collapse of this smaller building was/is ‘plausibly deniable’.

    Therefore my argument is that if explosives were used in the buildings (and the collapse of WTC7 proves they were) then drones must have been used. No planner of sane mind would attempt to rely on a group of dumb-assed Arab hijackers for the task of hitting the buildings even if they (the Arab hijackers) were real (and the Saudi evidence proves they were not) .

    • Replies: @utu
    , @ploni almoni
  441. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    You imply that Russian intelligence is no good and Putin’s slow on the uptake. I doubt both. I think Putin would have known the whole story by the evening of 9/11 and would have considered carefully how to play his cards. In my view, there are two possibilities

    One – Putin played along with the War on Terror because it suited his short term goals, but he’s keeping the inside story up his sleeve as a kind of psychological nuclear weapon to use if he really has his back to the wall.

    Two – Putin’s on the payroll / they’ve got his balls. We know from the Panama Papers that his man, Sergei Roldugin, who claims not to be rich and doesn’t earn a fantastic salary, holds assets all over the world via a network of shell companies. Assuming this is Putin’s backup plan for if he gets ousted by some Western-sponsored color revolution, it would be in his interests to keep it safe. Assuming the West knew this in 2001, or assuming Putin assumed the West had a good chance of finding out, he may have deemed it in his interests to keep quiet about their big secrets. It’s rather like two neighbors turning a mutual blind eye because they’re both cheating on their wives.

    • Replies: @utu
  442. skrik says:
    @FB

    no reaching you with logic

    Ah; but you are not spinning logic, rather attempting suppression of speculation [mine = reasonable, observation-based and freely *arguable*]. Note that you don’t address my substance but my person/modus operandi. IMHO, Ron’s ‘likely’ suspect is *most* likely, with no competition anywhere in sight – seems that you don’t pay attention too well. I will now speculate on exactly who I think dunnit: A covert group from within the US/Z rogue regimes. Proof as given before; the explosives pre-loaders of all 3 WTC towers required ‘privileged,’ industrial-level access. No jihadi could even dream of getting such access. Then there’re all the ‘tiny little details,’ like “Does the order still stand?” – or the no intercepts, etc..

    But most of all, was and still is the cover-up; from most ‘Western’ but specifically the US/Z politicians of all stripes and locations, the monolithic, ‘West’-wide corrupt&venal MSM to the Stupid NIST effort, and the massive, inclusive and illegal disposal of evidence. As theSaker says: A cover-up is proof of a conspiracy.

    I maintain my right to speculate as above, and deny that it ‘harms the cause’ – as your harping clearly does. Jealousy your curse, by any chance?

    • Replies: @2stateshmustate
  443. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    That’s exactly what it means. Some debris will always cross the footprint boundaries.

  444. @skrik

    skrik wrote: “Oh, really? Proof, please. I ‘sidelined’ Bollyn’s ‘contributions’ a long time ago;”
    Hey skrik!
    “Sidelining” Bollyn’s contributions was your prerogative. Not a consensus here at U.R. comments.
    … Fyi, it is clear that Laurent Guyenot did not, and Rob Unz simply wanted Christopher Bollyn to write more tightly & supply footnotes corresponding to his findings.
    … Me? I only have major problem with Mr. Bollyn’s reliance upon Professor Stephen Jones remote (non-representative) sampling of 9/11 dust/debris, subsequent i.d. “fingerprint” laboratory analysis, and the regrettable leap to conclude nanothermite was the primary material that flattened the WTC towers.
    … Nonetheless, Mister skrik, I am more objective than you, & thus give credit to the BYU professor for his having the scientific/crime scene investigation know-how (& the balls) to obtain a material 9/11 debris-sample for lab analysis! Uh…, do you know anything about Robert Mueller’s FBI (CSI-arm) having done so? (zzZigh)
    … To conclude & speaking now as a veteran, I am very disappointed how ‘Veterans Today” attacked Christopher Bollyn’s support for large quantities of nanothermite “fizzer” as 9/11′s chemical culprit.
    … Gordon Duff’s VT team did an equal level of non-material sampling & analysis as did the FBI, but arrived at an understandable dissident-conclusion that nuke weapons brought down the three (3) WTC towers.
    … Perhaps the towers controlled demo-engineers experimented with both nanothermite & nukes to do the False Flag?
    Whatever — it worked much better than airplane crashes & released fuel having hit its flashpoint.
    … Nonetheless, thanks for the opportunity to freely exchange thought, skrik.

    • Replies: @Malaysian Truther
  445. awry says:

    I am totally willing to believe that Israel was behind 9/11, actually I did suspect Israel from the very day the attacks happened, on the “Cui prodest?” basis. The case of the dancing Israelis, the PNAC pondering the necessity of a new Pearl Harbor etc. supports this too. I don’t debate this. Also I remember an interview I have read in a Hungarian newspaper quite before 2001/9/11, maybe 1 year before in which an Israeli “political expert” or suchlike has said that Iraq is the ideal candidate to be transformed by a regime change to a pro-western, pro-Israel Arab nation, because as he has said, Iraq is the most secular Arab country. Well, it was maybe, back then… So obviously the Zionists have been planning the Iraq War for long.

    That said, the outlandish claims many truthers say make no sense to me. What would be the point of rigging the WTC with explosives and sending a cruise missile into the Pentagon then stage/fake an attack by hijacked jetliners against these buildings? Isn’t this plot unnecessarily complicated? Not mentioning the esoteric theories claiming that there were no planes etc.

  446. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Also, killing (or disabling) the passengers can be done on the plane in seconds.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  447. utu says:
    @Anon

    I also asked about the demolition progression. Was demolition progression different for WCT1 and WTC2 because the impact zones were on different floors?

    The demolition progression would be determine by the sequence of imploded floors.

    • Replies: @Anon
  448. @skrik

    Take the valium. Your agitated state has had you mix up what you are replying to.

    And I do recommend getting help with that mental illness which manifests itself on the internet as a variant on Tourette’s Syndrome or Coprolalia when the word “lie” keeps on emerging as the patient’s favourite emotive expression.

    • Replies: @skrik
    , @NoseytheDuke
  449. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @CanSpeccy

    I’m sorry, but your Review is either a propaganda operation, or a rather sad example of how high IQ and lots of cash mean damn all when it comes to understanding the human heart in all its deviousness, and especially the deviousness of those who have climbed to the very pinnacle of power.

    High IQ and lots of cash can actually retard understanding of human nature, since it allows the subject to soar high above the clouds while the rest of humanity battles it out below.

  450. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    So I finally decided to spend the last couple of weeks intensively reading and researching the issues, with this article representing my conclusions. Unfortunately, I ran out of time before it was fully finished

    Two weeks of intensive research wasn’t enough? Actually that’s pretty honest. Two weeks of research deemed ‘intensive’ by your standards would probably be equivalent to two months of research for an average person. Most people have nowhere near that amount of free time so it’s no wonder they stay in the dark!

    • Replies: @Anon
  451. FB says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Need to clear up some technical mistakes in your comment…

    ‘Commercial radar does not ‘see’ planes with transponder switched off.’

    That is definitely NOT true…the air traffic control [ATC] radar sees airplanes just fine even if they don’t have a transponder, as many very basic small private planes don’t…the ATC controller sees the transponder-less airplane on the screen and also its bearing [direction] and range [distance]…

    What it does not see is the airplane’s altitude…and it also cannot IDENTIFY an airplane flying without transponder…

    This identification is a four-digit numerical code that is assigned to each airplane by ATC before taking off…that way each blip on the controller’s screen carries the number identifying the flight…that’s how ATC knows who is who…and it also sees your altitude…

    With the transponder switched off, or malfunctioning, the identification number and altitude info on the screen disappear, but the blip is still there…such a malfunction is not highly unusual and ATC will spot it immediately and ask by radio for the crew to sort out the issue…since you must have the transponder operational when flying on a commercial flight plan…[or even a private flight on a so-called instrument flight rules, or IFR, flight plan]…

    But those 911 airplanes were tracked continuously on ATC radar from beginning to end, and those flight path records are fully included in the NIST report…[there was some fumbling and switching on and off of the respective transponders at various times...]

    ‘So, with transponder switched off, either from a distance, of prepared before take off, the crew had no control over the plane any more.’

    Again, this is completely wrong, and it is important…the transponder has nothing to do with the flight control system, or the autopilot or the pilot’s ability to fly the airplane in any way shape or form…shutting off the transponder only affects ATC’s ability to have complete data on the flight, as discussed above…

    ‘Already in 2001 modern planes are not flown by the pilots, but by a computer, called director.’

    What you are referring to is known as fly-by-wire…[FBW]

    The Boeing 757 and 767 do NOT have that…and it is not relevant to the issue anyway…Airbus was the first company to have fly by wire on the A320 starting in 1987…Boeing did not adopt this until much later, on the triple seven…and even then the system could be overriden by the pilot…

    The main purpose of fly by wire in commercial aircraft is to provide a kind of ‘moderator’ between the pilot and the control surfaces on the aircraft…that moderator is the FBW computer…if the pilot inputs a control that is inappropriate or dangerous, the computer will not let the movable control surfaces do that…ie the wing ailerons, the tailplane elevator and rudder, etc…whose movement in the airstream is what controls the aircraft maneuvering…

    Airbus has been much more aggressive with fly-by-wire than Boeing in which the system can be manually overriden anytime the pilot chooses…

    In any case FBW has nothing to do with remote control of the airplane…which IS a system that DOES EXIST…it’s called the Boeing-Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilot…but it has not yet been implemented on regular flights…

    The system is designed to take remote control of the aircraft in case of a hijacking and land it on the nearest suitable runway…I have heard rumors that something like this had been installed in some airplanes before 911…but I have no hard information…

    However, the technology for doing that has been around for a very long time…the General Atomics Predator unmanned aircraft has been operationally deployed since 1995, first seeing action in the Balkans war…this is in fact a much more sophisticated remotely piloted system, in that it incorporates not only flying the airplane, but operating various data collection sensors like imaging etc…

    The size of the remotely piloted aircraft makes no difference whatsoever…the Russian Buran space shuttle was completely remotely piloted and did not have human cosmonaut on board on its successful 1988 mission to space orbit and back, landing completely automatically…

    The mobile phone calls are impossible, even today, because of the speed at which an airplane travels…the cell antenna network on the ground is incapable of ‘handing off’ the call from one antenna to the next due to the speed of the airplane…

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @CalDre
  452. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    Putin did apartment buildings in September 1999.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings

    Western press and governments did not put accusations that this was a false flag very high on their agenda. There were some mentions and questions but every time Russian would be indignant: How dare you to accuse us that we killed our own people.” And it was quickly forgotten. One year later was Kursk accident which lead to more shenanigans between Putting and the US administration.

    It is quite possible that the success of the apartments bombing operation in Russia emboldened the 9/11 planners.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Anonymous
  453. tanabear says:
    @Selvar

    “As for specific claims, many people far more qualified than I have taken on the task of debunking 9/11 truth.”

    The site you references is old and has not been updated in years. Their articles on World Trade Tower 7 were written before NIST even released their final report on the matter in 2008. You might want update yourself on the more recent evidence from Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. My problem with “debunking” sites is they seem to believe that simply asserting something without evidence qualifies as “debunking”. It doesn’t.

    For information on the collapse of WTC7 see this and try to debunk:

  454. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @academic gossip

    4. The USA is the big financial and military sponsor or even life-support for Israel. At a minimum, this would end if an Israeli 9/11 plot were uncovered

    No it wouldn’t, because people’s reaction would be to deny the revelations and assert that it can’t be true because the USA is the big financial and military sponsor or even life-support for Israel and, at a minimum, this would end if an Israeli 9/11 plot were uncovered.

  455. @Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque

    Indeed. Everyone knows Muslims lie about their greatest achievements.

  456. @awry

    That said, the outlandish claims many truthers say make no sense to me. What would be the point of rigging the WTC with explosives and sending a cruise missile into the Pentagon then stage/fake an attack by hijacked jetliners against these buildings? Isn’t this plot unnecessarily complicated?

    Well, if t